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IT IS FOUR 30.[1. Call to Order/Pledge of Allegiance/Moment of Silence/Roll Call]
TO ORDER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2022 AT 4:30 PM.WOULD YOU ALL RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE? I PLEDGE ALLEGION THE SUIT FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND PUBLIC FOR WHICH INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ROLE.
AND NOW WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
MADAME CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL HER ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR MOI HERE.
COUNSELOR ELA HERE, COUNSELOR.
THANK YOU, COUNSELOR THOMPSON HERE, COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON HERE.
AND BECAUSE IT IS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH, OUR FIRST
[2. City’s Vision/Moment of Art]
ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE MOMENT OF ART AND THERE'S A GOOD AUDIENCE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE MOMENT OF ART.SO MATTA MAYOR, DO WE WANNA DO THE VISION STATEMENT FIRST? OH, I'M SORRY.
YES, WE CAN DO THE VISION STATEMENT.
WE GET TO LOOK AT BRENDA IN FRONT OF OUR VISION STATEMENT FROM HERE.
DON'T WORRY FOR THE FUTURE OF THEIR CITY.
IS THIS THE BIGGEST CITY THAT IS CONSTANTLY VISION PRESERVATION OF THE CENTRAL BEAUTY SCENIC EXIST, PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT AND CULTURAL HERITAGE TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS A SMALL TOWN CHARACTER AND CREATES ITS MANMADE IMPROVEMENTS AND STRICT HARMONY NATURE TO BE A CITY IS ANIMATED BY THE ARTS AND LIVES WITH SPIRIT OF VOLUNTEERISM TO HELP ACHIEVE OUR COMMON GOALS, TO BE A CITY THAT OFFERS EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL IN FOSTERS, A SENSE OF COMMUNITY TO BE A CITY THAT WELCOMES AND ACCOMMODATES ALL OF ITS VISITORS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS.
THE SPIRIT OF FELLOWSHIP TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS AND ENHANCES A STRONG VITAL ECONOMY, WHICH PRESERVES EXISTING LIFESTYLES WITHOUT EXPLOITING THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND FINALLY, TO BE A CITY THAT WAS UP TO THE CHALLENGE, PROPER STEWARDSHIP OF ONE OF THE EARTH.
I SEE WE HAVE A CHANGE OF ART IN HERE.
SO PERHAPS YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOO.
MATTA MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS, AND TO SUCH A GREAT CROWD WE HAVE TODAY.
UM, I WAS GONNA OPEN UP WITH THE, UH, FACT THAT WE HAVE A NEW EXHIBIT UP.
IF YOU LOOK AROUND, UM, THE TWO NEW ARTISTS ARE MELANIE CHAMBERS HARTMAN IN THE FRONT WHO HAS LANDSCAPE OIL PAINTINGS, MELANIE, UM, MOVED TO SEDONA TWO YEARS AGO FROM VIRGINIA, BUT SHE ACTUALLY WAS RAISED IN THE WHITE MOUNTAINS.
UH, STAN ROSE, WHO THE MAYOR KNOWS VERY WELL.
UH, HIS WORK IS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND HE DOES EXPANSIVE LANDSCAPES AND HE HAS A GALLERY IN, UM, HILLSIDE.
HIS WIFE, SUSIE ROSE ALSO IS A PHOTOGRAPHER.
AND HER WORK IS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BACK WALLS.
SHE SHOOTS IN INTRICATE, UM, IMAGES, UM, AND, AND, UM, VERY INTIMATE, UH, PHOTOGRAPHY.
WHEREAS STAN IS MORE, UM, EXPANSIVE, LIKE AS I MENTIONED.
AND, UM, STAN INITIALLY WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER AND THEN HE WAS A WEATHERMAN AND NOW HE IS A LANDSCAPE PHOTOGRAPHER.
SO JUST SO EVERYBODY HERE IS INVITED.
THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE TO HEAR THIS, BUT THERE IS THE NEXT ARTIST RECEPTION.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO MEET THE ARTIST IS THURSDAY, UM, SEPTEMBER 29TH, 4 26.
AND IT WILL BE IN THIS ROOM IN THE VT AND THE MUSICAL GUEST WILL BE SAFE WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THIS MOMENT OF ART.
HE, I HAD TWO PEACE SONGS CUZ IT'S INTERNATIONAL PEACE MONTH.
HIS CAR BROKE DOWN IN SAN FRANCISCO AND MICHAEL HAS STEPPED
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UP AS OF LAST NIGHT.SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MICHAEL COLWITZ, WHO I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW THE CHAPMAN STICK IS AN INGENIOUS YET LITTLE KNOWN AMERICAN STRENGTH INSTRUMENT THAT WAS INVENTED BY EMMETT CHAPMAN IN LOS ANGELES.
IN 1974, THE STICK ALLOWS THE PLAYER TO PLAY WITH BOTH HANDS AT THE SAME TIME, MORE LIKE A PIANO THAN A GUITAR MAKING IT EASILY.
ONE OF THE MOST EXPRESSIVE INSTRUMENTS, MICHAEL COLWITZ BECAME ONE OF THE EMETT CHAPMAN'S FIRST STUDENTS AFTER SEEING CHAPMAN PERFORM IN 1976, COLWITZ STUDY WITH CHAPMAN FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS AND THEY REMAINED CLOSE FRIENDS THROUGHOUT THE INVENTOR'S LIFETIME.
HE LIVED 1936 TO 2021 COLWITZ IS ONE OF THE STICK'S MOST PROLIFIC RECORDING ARTISTS WITH MORE THAN TWO DOZEN RELEASES AFTER RE LOCATING FROM MAUI TO SEDONA.
THESE ARE MAUI SONGS IN 2015, HE BEGAN RECORDING ALL ORIGINAL PEACEFUL, INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC THAT HAS MADE THE BILLBOARD CHARTS WON NUMEROUS AWARDS AND AIRPLAY IN OVER 50 COUNTRIES.
COLWITZ IS ALSO AN ACCOMPLISHED TOASTMASTER AND PROFESSIONAL SPEAKER WHO CALLS HIS TALKS, EDUTAINMENT, WHERE HE MIXES HIS MUSIC WITH COMEDY AND ALWAYS EXHORTS HIS LISTENERS TO STICK WITH IT.
AN UPCOMING BOOK ABOUT HIS CAREER ENTITLED ADVENTURES OF A CHAPMAN STICK PLAYER.
THE BEST MUSICAL INSTRUMENT YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF IS DUE TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2023.
SO SINCE SEPTEMBER IS INTERNATIONAL PEACE MONTH AND THIS WORLD AND ALL OF US IN OUR SEDONA MICROCOSM CAN USE MORE PEACE.
I'D LIKE TO DEDICATE THIS MOMENT TO ALL OF US WHO NEED MORE PEACE IN OUR LIVES AND FOR A BETTER WORLD TO COME FORWARD.
UM, WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING, MICHAEL WILL PLAY HIS FIRST, UM, SONG BABY BEACH FROM HIS MOST RECENT ALBUM, CALM WATERS AND THEN OCEAN POOL FROM HIS ALBUM.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH, MICHAEL.WE'RE ARE YOU STILL PLAYING AROUND TOWN A BIT? YES.
MA'AM YOU WANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US WHERE
THAT'S RIGHT OVER THERE AT TO LOCK APAC SEVERAL TIMES, SO I'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED IT.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, VERY NICE UNIQUE INSTRUMENT AND VERY BEAUTIFUL.
OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO MOVE THE AGENDA AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
IF NO ONE OBJECTS, IF NONE OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS OBJECT TO HAVE
[7. Proclamations, Recognitions, & Awards]
THESE SWEARING IN OF OUR NEW POLICE CHIEF NEXT, AND PERHAPS WE'LL LOSE A FEWUM, WELL WE, BEFORE WE DO THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHERE LONNIE AND FORMER CHIEF IRISH ARE.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, UM, SOME OF YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT I WAS ON THE FIRST APPOINTED CITY COUNCIL AND BOB IRISH IS AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
THERE WAS OUR VERY FIRST POLICE CHIEF AND THAT IN 1988 AND HE'S COME UP TO SEE STEPHANIE'S SWEARING IN.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY GREAT.
I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE STILL IN THE PHOENIX AREA, RIGHT? BOB? YES.
AND I DID I, DID I SEE RON WHEELER THERE? YES.
IS THE JUDGE APPEARS TO BE, BE HERE AND READY? SO LET'S PROCEED WITH THE SWEARING IN
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YOU CAN'T WIN.OTHERWISE THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO RIGHT.
IF YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME, I, STEPHANIE FOLEY, I, STEPHANIE FOLEY, YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR.
YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME, THE SAME, AND DEFEND THEM AGAINST ALL ENEMIES AND DEFEND THEM AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY AND IMPARTIALLY AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES, DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF CHIEF, OF OFFICE, OF CHIEF, OF TO THE BEST OF ABILITY TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
SO, SO IF IT'S OKAY, I DO HAVE A FEW WORDS THAT I PREPARED.
I KNOW YOU DO, BUT REMEMBER THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT IN THE HALLWAY.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND I'LL GIVE YOU ONE OF MY FIRST LESSONS, WHICH, UM, CHIEF MCGILLS IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
AND I'LL OH, I DIDN'T, I'LL SAY A FEW OTHERS THAT ARE HERE, BUT THIS IS ONE OF MY FIRST LESSONS FROM A, A PREVIOUS, UM, SPEECH THAT I GAVE.
SO FIRST I WANNA THANK MY WIFE JET
I FORGOT TO SAY HER ONCE
UM, MY FRIENDS, CITY STAFF, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ALL HAVE SUPPORTED ME THROUGHOUT MY CAREER AND ALSO HELPED ME GET HERE TO THIS DAY.
UM, IT MEANS A LOT TO SEE EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WAS ABLE TO BE HERE.
AND AS I LOOKED AROUND AND, AND I WALKED AND HUGGED A LOT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHOUT OUT A FEW NAMES.
SO THERE ARE A FEW CHIEFS IN THE AUDIENCE.
THERE'S CHIEF WHEELER, CHIEF MCGILL, CHIEF CODAS OUT THERE AND OH, MY CHIEF IRISH.
SO, UM, CHIEF VENE COULDN'T MAKE IT UP.
HE HAD A VERY IMPORTANT, UM, DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.
AND UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, CHIEF WHOS DID WHO JUST RECENTLY RETIRED IS ALSO HE'S ENJOYING THE VACATION AND, AND TRAVELING RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, IT MEANS A LOT THAT YOU WOULD ALL COME HERE AND SUPPORT ME FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE CREATED AND CAN CONTINUE TO SEE, TO GROW WITH THE INVESTMENT YOU'VE MADE IN ME AS WELL.
UM, ALSO I TALK A LOT ABOUT IT, SO I'M JUST GONNA POINT 'EM OUT.
WE'LL GET THIS ONE OVER WITH, THERE'S A LOT OF PICKLE BALL, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
UM, I HAVE SOME NA FRIENDS THAT RECENTLY WHEN I WAS IN QUANTICO, THEY'VE MADE THE TRIP HERE.
I'M NOT GONNA INTRODUCE THEM CUZ YOU CAN'T KNOW THE STORIES.
SO
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M EXCITED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF MY PRE PREDECESSORS THAT ARE HERE THAT PUT THINGS INTO ACTION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ENHANCING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT RELATIONSHIPS WITHIN THE CITY AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY AND CONTINUING TO GROW.
I WANTED TO SHARE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE PERSONAL.
I DID WRITE IT DOWN, BUT I KNOW IT REALLY WELL.
UM, LAST YEAR, UM, I WAS IN FRONT OF YOU FOR ANOTHER CEREMONY WHEN I WAS, UH, SWORN IN AS A DEPUTY CHIEF.
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AT THAT TIME I HAD LOST MY MOM AND I, UM, SHARED WITH YOU, UM, A LOT OF THOSE STRUGGLES AND WHAT I WAS GOING THROUGH AT THE TIME.SO I HAD WORN A RIBBON ON MY SHIRT THAT DAY AND I STILL WEAR IT.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE MORE CLOSE TO ME AND A LITTLE MORE CONCEALED.
SO SHE'S HERE WITH ME TODAY AS WELL.
BUT WHILE I WAS AWAY, UM, IN QUANTICO, VIRGINIA AT THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY AND MADE SOME AWESOME FRIENDSHIPS, UM, I DID SUFFER ANOTHER LOSS, WHICH WAS MY PARTNER AND BUDDY DELAN CANINE DELAN, WHICH IS OUR SECOND, UM, DOG FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
I WASN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THE TRIP BACK, BUT WHY I WANNA MENTION IT IS JUST TO SHOW WHAT AN AMAZING COMMUNITY FRIENDSHIP AND POLICE DEPARTMENT FAMILY THAT I HAVE.
UM, SINCE I COULDN'T BE THERE, MANY OF YOU CAME TO MY HOUSE, SAT WITH MY WIFE AND MY FAMILY AND MADE SURE HE WAS STILL SURROUNDED BY LOVE AS HE LEFT.
SO, UM, MANY OF YOU WON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT AND TOUCHING THAT WAS, BUT IT REALLY WAS.
AND UM, IT ALSO IS WHY I CONTINUE TO, UM, TO BE LOYAL TO SEDONA BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SHOWN ME OVER MY 17 YEARS.
UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD TO EXPRESS HOW AMAZING OUR COMMUNITY, OUR DEPARTMENT AND CITY IS UNTIL YOU HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN AND EVERYBODY SHOWS UP AND THEY SUPPORT YOU AND THEY COME AROUND YOU.
SO JUST LIKE TODAY, HOW YOU'RE ALL HERE? UM, I THINK IT'S FOR ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF THE MEETING, BUD, I'LL TAKE IT
WE'LL WE'LL TAKE JUST A MINUTE TO LET PEOPLE I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING OUT TO CELEBRATE SOMEWHERE.
A LOT OF CONSULTING AROUND THE COUNTRY.
NOT IN IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD.
THAT'S WHY I GET SO RESPONSIVE.
I, I DON'T GET UPSET WHEN I HEAR THAT IT'S NOT THEIR LIVES, SO RIGHT LAST DAVID, THANKS FOR COMING UP.
GREAT TO SEE YOU YOU'RE SUPERMARKET TODAY, RIGHT? RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, I WAS GONNA SAY HI, BUT YOU WERE BUSY GETTING HERE.
SEE, I DIDN'T SEE YOU IN THE AUDIENCE.
NICE TO SEE WHERE I DIDN'T SEE YOU IN THE EYES.
THANK YOU, HUH? NO, NOT HIDING VERY WELL.
I GOT, EVEN THOUGH SHE DID NOT GOOD TO SEE NOW, NOW THAT'S HOW MUCH SHE NEEDS.
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UM, YEAH, THERE'S SOME, OH, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING, WELL, WE ARE HAVE, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO PULL OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA.SO I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD ALSO JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THE OTHER PROCLAMATION RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A PRESENTATION OF, LET'S SEE, I'VE GOT MY WATER FOR CONS IT'S FOR CONSTITUTION WEEK, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO PROCLAMATION FOR CONSTITUTION WEEK, SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH 23RD, 2022, WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2022 MARKS THE 235TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.
AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING IN PROPER TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THIS MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT AND THE ANNIVERSARY OF ITS CREATION.
AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING IN PROPER TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THE PATRIOTIC CELEBRATIONS THAT WILL COMMEMORATE THE OCCASION.
AND WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW NINE 15 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17 THROUGH 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK.
NOW, THEREFORE I SANDY MORIARTY MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH 23RD, 2022 TO BE CONSTITUTION WEEK IN SEDONA, ARIZONA, AND ASK OUR CITIZENS TO REAFFIRM THE IDEALS.
THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION HAD IN 1787 ISSUED THIS 13TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2022.
MADAM MAYOR, THIS, UH, SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UM, OUR REGION IS SICK WITH COVID.
SO I'M GOING TO READ HER LITTLE MESSAGE TO EVERYONE.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR ISSUING THIS PROCLAMATION RECOGNITION THIS WEEK AS CONSTITUTION WEEK IN SEDONA, I AM ROBERTA ROSS AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE LOCAL TER OF NATIONAL SOCIETY OF DAUGHTERS, OF THE AMERICAN RE REVOLUTION, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE D R.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS AN IDEA OUT THERE THAT THAT D R IS NOTHING MORE THAN A GROUP OF LITTLE OLD BLUE HAIRED WOMEN THAT LIKE TO LAUNCH.
ALTHOUGH SOME OF US ARE GETTING UP THERE IN YEARS AND A FEW OF US HAVE BLUE HAIR AND BOY, DO WE LIKE TO EAT LUNCH? WE'RE ALL SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
THE D R IS FOUNDED ON THE CONCEPT OF SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITIES, AND WE SUPPORT THE, THAT IN THE THREE MAIN AREAS, PATRIOTISM, EDUCATION, AND HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.
WE WELCOME ALL OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTNER WITH LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS AND SUPPORT OF THESE ENDEAVORS.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT US OR OUR WEBSITE.
I CHALLENGE EACH OF US TO FIND A COPY OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND READ IT IF NOT DOING THE, THE NEXT WEEK, THEN ANYTIME IT IS VITAL IMPORTANT FOR US AS YOU AS CITIZENS TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND IT.
AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HOLDING THINGS UP.
OH, WHERE'S WHERE'S THE, THE PROCLAMATION RIGHT HERE.
CAN YOU HOLD THIS? YEAH, I CAN DO THAT.
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OKAY.[3. Consent Items - Approve]
WILL MOVE TO THE CONSENT ITEMS AND WE'RE PULLING TWO OF THEM.I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, E NO, D AND E.
AND SO IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE REST OF THE CONSENT ITEMS JESSICA? I WILL MAKE I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS. A, B, C, D, NO, NO.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL RIGHT.
MOVE MY COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON SECOND BY COUNSELOR CANELLA.
NO MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[3.d. AB 2855 Approval of award of a Streets Maintenance Job Order Contract extension with Cactus Asphalt, Inc. and J. Banicki Construction, Inc.]
ONE WE'RE PULLING IS ITEM D AND LET ME GET MY GLASSES.THAT IS AB 28 55 APPROVAL OF AWARD OF A STREETS' MAINTENANCE JOB ORDER CONTRACT EXTENSION WITH CACTUS ASPHALT, INC, AND J BANNY CONSTRUCTION, INC.
SO VICE MAYOR, DO YOU WANNA, THANK YOU MAYOR.
I ASKED FOR THIS EM, TO BE PULLED, UH, BECAUSE I RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS, SOME THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, WORK THAT WAS DONE IN THEIR AREA.
AND I HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH OUR DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.
PUBLIC WORKS, ANDY DICKEY, AND HE GAVE ME A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
I THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD HEAR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TURN IT OVER TO ANDY TO HOPEFULLY QUALITY CONCERNS IN THE PUBLIC.
SO THE CONCERNS HAD TO DO WITH SOME OF THE WORK THAT WAS PERFORMED IN THE FALL OF 2021.
THERE WAS, UH, ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE QUALITY OF WORK THAT WAS DONE BY ONE OF OUR CONTRACTORS.
UM, IN RESPONSE TO THAT, WE WERE GLAD TO SEE THAT THIS CONTRACTOR IMPLEMENTED SOME CHANGES WITH THEIR STAFF AND SPECIFICALLY, UM, PUT A POSITION IN PLACE THAT WOULD HELP WITH OVERSIGHT OF THAT WORK.
AND THIS LAST SPRING, WE WERE GLAD TO SEE THAT IT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
WE HAD NO COMPLAINTS WITH THAT WORK.
UM, IN ADDITION, THERE'S SOME REMEDIATION THAT WE PLANNED TO DO THIS FALL, SPECIFICALLY, ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS THAT WERE VOICED.
AND, UM, I GUESS ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THAT WE PLANNED TO DO THAT LAST SPRING.
THAT WORK WAS UNFORTUNATELY, UM, DELAYED DUE TO SCHEDULING AND SOME MATERIAL ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL BE PERFORMING THAT THIS FALL.
AND I KNOW YOU GAVE ME A LOT OF THE SAME INFORMATION THE OTHER DAY, AND I WAS FINE WITH, UH, YOUR COMMENTS.
I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM NOW.
SO WE, WE DID HAVE ONE OTHER AUDIENCE MEMBER TURN IN THE CARD FOR THIS SAME ITEM AND THAT'S WILL HURST, ARE YOU HERE? DO YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? I WOULD.
MY NAME IS WILL HURST AND, UH, I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA AND ANDY JUST ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS.
I THINK THAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP, BUT, UH, I THINK I'LL JUST SAY SOMETHING ANYWAY.
I DON'T WANNA BE A TROUBLEMAKER.
I'D LIKE TO BE A PROBLEM SOLVER, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HOPEFULLY THE SCHEDULES WILL GET SQUARED AWAY IN THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ON OUR ROAD, WHICH I BELIEVE IN ALL MY NEIGHBORS BELIEVE IS COMPLETELY SUBSTANDARD, UH, BIG HOLES, UH, THAT WERE NEVER FILLED IN AND CACTUS BLAMED THE CITY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FILL IT IN FIRST.
UH, AND SO NOTHING'S GOTTEN DONE AND IDEALLY THAT WILL GET DONE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO SOME RIDGES ABOUT FOUR INCHES HIGH.
AND SO FRONT OF SEVERAL DRIVEWAYS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TRIPPED OVER, UH, I JUST THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU HATE TO BE A COMPLAINER.
I GET TIRED OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALWAYS PROBLEM MAKERS, BUT IN THIS CASE, UM, IDEALLY SOMETHING CAN GET DONE AND TO GET CLEANED UP.
I DON'T, I WOULD, MY SUGGESTION WOULD'VE BEEN THAT YOU DON'T APPROVE, UH, CACTUS, UH, EXTENSION UNTIL THEY'VE AGREED TO DO THAT WORK.
BUT IF ANDY SAYS THEY'VE AGREED TO DO THE WORK, THEN I HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO SAY, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERNING.
UH, AND WE HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM, SO MAYBE WE'LL DO BOTH OF THEM AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE MOTION FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
[3.e. AB 2862 Approval of the updated FTA Title VI Implementation Plan, which is required to receive 5311 FTA funds from ADOT for the FFY2022 – FFY2023- funding cycle.]
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UPDATED FTA TITLE SIX IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO RECEIVE 53 11 FTA FUNDS FROM A, A FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 20 22, 20 23 FUNDING CYCLE.YES, I, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS REVIEWING IT IN THE PACKET, I NOTICED THAT THE, UM, THE LANGUAGE IN THE FTA THAT THEY PROVIDED IN THEIR TEMPLATE IN THEIR NON-DISCRIMINATION NOTICE THEIR, THEIR NON-DISCRIMINATION PROCEDURES AND THE FILING COMPLAINT FORM, UH, WAS NOT AS ROBUST AS OUR ADOPTED CITY NON-DISCRIMINATION CLAUSE.
SO I SPOKE WITH KAREN AND WE SPOKE WITH ROBERT AND SPOKE WITH BRENDA, UM, ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS OF EXPANDING THIS? IS IT POSSIBLE WITHOUT SLOWING DOWN THE CONTRACTOR, OR I THINK IT TURNS OUT THAT IT IS SO THEY HAD ONLY LISTED, UM, IN THEIR, UH, LANGUAGE, RACE, COLOR, NATIONAL ORIGIN OR DISABILITY, WHICH IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH TITLE SIX.
OUR NON-DISCRIMINATION POLICY IN THE CITY IS INCLUDES, UM, RACE, GENDER, NATIONAL ORIGIN, RELIGION, AGE, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR DISABILITY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, AMEND THE LANGUAGE, WHICH IT TURNS OUT THAT WE CAN DO, WE HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM THAT THE FTA HAS GIVEN US, WHICH ARE THE FOUR CLASSIFICATIONS AND BRING IT INTO THE LANGUAGE, INTO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR NON-DISCRIMINATION POLICY TO INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE THAT WE, YOU NORMALLY DO.
SO WOULD I ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON IT? ABSOLUTELY.
YOU QUESTION, ANYBODY CAN MAKE ON BOTH AS, UH, BUT I MOVED, I'M SORRY.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, I HAVE THE LANGUAGE OF OUR POLICY AND I CAN GIVE IT TO WHOEVER KAREN TELLS ME SHE'S APPROPRIATE PERSON, BUT THERE ARE THE FOUR PLACES WHERE IT WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED.
I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS, D AND E I'LL.
SECOND THAT MOVE BY COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON.
NO MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPOINTMENTS.
[5. Summary of Current Events by Mayor/Councilors/City Manager]
ITEM IS SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR, COUNSELORS, CITY MANAGER, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? KATHY, THANK YOU, MAYOR.UH, SEDONA ARTS FOR PEACE IS CELEBRATING PEACE WEEK BY SPONSORING SIX DIFFERENT PERFORMANCE ART PIECES, UH, AND THEY'RE HAPPENING AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO, UM, THERE'S A MEDITATION MONDAY.
THERE'S FILMS FOR PEACE THERE'S DANCES, PHOTOS, WORKSHOPS, AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IN TERMS OF A DESCRIPTION OF EACH AND LOCATIONS CAN BE FOUND ON THE SEDONA CITY OF PEACE.ORG/SIGNATURE HYPHEN PROGRAMS FOR INFORMATION TO CELEBRATE THE CITY, THE, UM, WEEK OF PEACE, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 18TH THROUGH SEPTEMBER 23RD.
ANYTHING ELSE? SCOTT? THANK YOU.
WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT EVENTS COMING UP.
UH, RED DIRT, FOUR CONCERT SERIES, UH, EVERY FRIDAY, A POSSE GRANTS PAVILION.
UH, THIS FRIDAY, THE 16TH OPENING ACT IS DAN VEER.
IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SEEN DAN VEER PERFORM HE'S HE, WE HAD HIM HERE AT A MOMENT OF ART.
HE'S QUITE SPECTACULAR, UH, BUT A HEADLINE OF TWO HAND UNION, SEPTEMBER 23RD JEANIE CAR, WE ALL KNOW JEANIE CARROLL.
SHE IS A VERY WELL KNOWN PERFORMER AROUND THE CITY.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, WAG FEST AND FAIR THIRD ANNUAL WAG FEST, AND FAIR WILL BE SEPTEMBER 17TH.
AND THEN I RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE FOR MORE EVENTS FROM PARKS AND REC.
WE HAVE, UH, THIS NEW SPORTS LEAGUE STORY TIME IN THE PARK PARKS AND REC PICK BALL, WHICH IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE AND OF COURSE, YAPPY HOUR, UH, AND AN OPEN GYM AND TENNIS LESSONS ALL ON THE WEBSITE WITH THE PARTICULARS, UH, FOR YOU TO, TO, UH, PICK UP THERE.
HOW ABOUT WAF? WELL, SOMEBODY'S GONNA, YEAH, THAT'S TRUE ON THE 17TH.
YOU'RE GONNA, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA, I WAS SAVING IT FOR YOU.
NO,
NO, NOT WINE FEST WA NO, I HAVE IT HERE.
OH, YOU HAD IT ALREADY LIKE IT'S WA FEST ON AND FAIR.
WELL ACTUALLY WINE FEST WILL BE COMING UP.
NO, RIGHT BEFORE THE THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, BUT THAT IS SEPTEMBER 17TH.
UH, I THOUGHT I SAID IT, MAYBE I MISSED IT.
UH, 9:00 AM TO 12 NOON AT THE POSSE GROUND PAVILION.
ALL THE DOGS COME OUT AND PLAY.
SO, AND I WILL ANNOUNCE WINE FEST ON THE 24TH AND FIFTH.
SO IT IS BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO, AND THAT'S, UH, ALSO UP AT THE POSSE GROUNDS, 11 TO FIVE BOTH DAYS.
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SO THE[6. Public Forum]
NEXT ITEM IS THE PUBLIC FORM.STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
MADAM MAYOR, MR. VICE MAYOR COUNSELORS.
UH, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND ITS IMPLEMENTATION.
I SO FAR SEE ONE PLAN, ONE PART OF THE PLAN CALLED THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT THAT I THINK IS WELL WORTHWHILE.
IT'S ACTUALLY MAKES A SIGNIFICANT AND MEASURABLE REDUCTION IN OUR GREENHOUSE GASES, AS WELL AS ADDRESSING EQUITY ISSUES IN THE CITY.
AND, UH, JUST, JUST, I'VE BEEN PROMOTING THIS WITH PEOPLE.
I KNOW HOMEOWNERS AND SEDONA AND SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS A, THIS IS AN AMAZING DEAL.
AND I WAS JUST AT THE HOME OF A FRIEND YESTERDAY WHEN THE CONTRACTOR COZY HOME, THE TECHNICIAN WAS THERE DURING THE INITIAL, UM, UH, INVENTORY OR ASSESSMENT OF, OF HER SITUATION.
AND HE WAS QUITE WILLING TO DISCUSS WITH ME ANSWERED QUESTIONS AND, UH, WAS KIND OF DISMAYED TO LEARN THAT THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT IS ABOUT TO DIE IN JUST A FEW WEEKS BECAUSE IT'S RUN OUT OF MONEY.
AND, UH, I WAS HOPING IT WOULD BE RATHER OPEN ENDED FUNDING INSTEAD.
IT'S THE, THE SAME $90,000 THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR FOR THE PILOT PROJECT.
AND SO WE'RE ONLY LIKE THREE MONTHS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR AND IT'S ALREADY RUN OUT OF MONEY.
SO I'M KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, FRUSTRATED DISMAYED ABOUT IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I WASN'T PAYING ENOUGH TENSION DURING WHEN ALL THE BUDGET PROCESS WAS GOING ON AND TO, TO CATCH WHAT GO ALL WE'RE DOING OR, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EASY FOR ME TO KEEP UP WITH THESE THINGS, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT TOO LATE.
WE COULD PROVIDE FUNDING FOR AS MANY PEOPLE WHO, AS WHO QUALIFY.
AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DOING TO ACHIEVE THIS 50% REDUCTION IN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY 2030, THE TIME IS RUNNING OUT, WHICH THERE'S NO LESS THAN I WAS JUST CALCULATING LESS THAN A HUNDRED MONTHS BETWEEN NOW AND 2030.
AND SO THAT MEANS EACH PASSING MONTH IS 1% OF THE REMAINING TIME.
AND I FEEL KIND OF DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO NEXT.
SO ALL I CAN SAY IS IF THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO, THEN WE'RE IN WORSE TROUBLE THAN I THOUGHT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS FOR THE PUBLIC FORUM, SO WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, OH, WE, OH, WE'VE DONE THE NEXT ITEM.
[8.a. AB 2815 Presentation/discussion by the Arizona Community Foundation of Sedona’s (ACF) Regional Director Jennifer Perry regarding their purpose and strategic initiatives.]
TO MOVE TO ITEM EIGHT REGULAR BUSINESS.AND THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, AB 28 15 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION BY THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION OF SEDONAS ACF, REGIONAL DIRECTOR, JENNIFER PERRY, REGARDING THEIR PURPOSE AND STRATEGIC INITIATIVES.
MADAM MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
I'M VERY EXCITED TO PRESENT TO YOU.
UM, I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, BUT I REALLY FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE SOME TIME TO JUST PRE PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION TO YOU.
IT WAS BY THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNSELOR BLUE THAT I DO THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, HAVING WORKED HERE FOR THREE YEARS, I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW ABOUT WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY.
SO MY HOPE IS THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, YOU'LL FIND SOME AREAS THAT WHERE YOU CAN CONNECT WITH THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.
SO I TRIED TO PUT THIS INTO A FRAMEWORK TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.
SO I'M GONNA START OUT WITH JUST SHARING WITH YOU THE BIG PICTURE OF WHO THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION IS AND WHAT OUR BUSINESS IS.
THEN I'M GONNA BRING IT DOWN TO A LOCAL LEVEL AND SHARE WITH YOU WHAT OUR REGIONAL ASSETS ARE AND WHY WE HAVE AN OFFICE HERE IN SEDONA TO SERVE THE VERDE VALLEY.
THEN THE THIRD THING I THOUGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS TO SHARE WITH YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF HOW DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, BECAUSE SOME OF THE, UM, IT, THE OPTIONS ARE LIMITLESS.
AND THEN LASTLY, I'M GONNA JUST TOUCH VERY BRIEFLY ON A FEW OF OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES.
AND SHOULD YOU BE INTERESTED? WE CAN DIG INTO THAT AT ANOTHER TIME.
SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, NOW, MOST PEOPLE ROLL THEIR EYES WHEN YOU START WITH THE MISSION STATEMENT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU QUITE PERSONALLY, THIS IS AN AWESOME MISSION AND IT IS WHAT DRIVES ME EVERY DAY TO JUMP OUT OF BED AND TO DRIVE INTO TOWN AND TO WORK REALLY, REALLY HARD.
AND WHAT WE DO IS WE LEAD SERVE AND COLLABORATE
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TO MOBILIZE ENDURING PHILANTHROPY FOR A BETTER ARIZONA.AND I'LL TELL YOU, WE HAVE 75 PEOPLE WORKING ACROSS THE STATE DOING THAT JUST EVERY DAY AND IT'S PRETTY POWERFUL STUFF.
SO HERE'S A SNAPSHOT OF THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.
WE ARE A 5 0 1 C THREE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 44 YEARS.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A FOUR STAR RATING FROM CHARITY NAVIGATOR FOR 12 YEARS.
THAT IS THE HIGHEST RATING BESTOWED ON NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.
AND IT TRULY DEMONSTRATES THE BEST PRACTICES AND TRANSPARENCY WITH WHICH WE STEWARD THE MONEY THAT IS ENTRUSTED TO US.
WE HAVE $1.5 BILLION IN CHARITABLE ASSETS, UNDER MANAGEMENT, AND WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENTLY RANKED AMONG THE TOP 25 COMMUNITY FOUNDATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY EIGHT OVER 825 COMMUNITY FOUNDATIONS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT ACHIEVEMENT.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE OUR CENTRAL OFFICE IN PHOENIX, AND THEN WE HAVE REGIONAL OFFICES ACROSS THE STATE.
AND YOU AS COMMUNITY LEADERS TRULY UNDERSTAND THE UNIQUE NEEDS THAT OUR REGION FACES AND HAVING AN OFFICE RIGHT HERE ALLOWS US THE ABILITY TO MOBILIZE PHILANTHROPY, TO FILL THOSE GAPS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT IT SO NEEDS.
AND IN 2021, WE'RE REALLY PROUD THAT WE GRANTED A RECORD 196 MILLION.
SO WHAT DOES A COMMUNITY FOUNDATION DO? BASICALLY WE TRANSFORM DONOR PASSIONS INTO PERMANENT REVENUE TO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
SO NO ONE GIVES TO A COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.
SO WE BRING CHARITABLE DOLLARS IN, WE ENDOW AND INVEST THOSE DOLLARS AND WE GIVE THOSE CHARITABLE DOLLARS OUT.
SO THE PREMISE OF THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION IS REALLY BUILT ON THE POWER OF ENDOWMENT.
SO WE DO HAVE FULLY SPENDABLE FUNDS, BUT WE REALLY BELIEVE IN THE STRENGTH OF ENDOWMENT.
AND I THINK THERE'S NO BETTER EXAMPLE THAN THE GREATER SEDONA COMMUNITY FUND.
THIS FUND BEGAN IN 1991, THANKS TO THE CONTRIBUTION OF $1,000 BY VERNE SMITH, A DEDICATED COMMUNITY MEMBER OVER THE LAST 31 YEARS, THE FUND HAS GROWN AND OUR BALANCE IS NOW CLOSE TO 2.4 MILLION.
AND OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, WE'VE GRANTED 2.1 MILLION OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO OUR JOB AS YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY FOUNDATION IS TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CHEST, TO BUILD AN INVESTMENT THAT WILL BE HERE TO BENEFIT RESIDENTS FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
SO HOW DO WE DO THIS WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS? I, I REFER TO IT AS OUR PHILANTHROPIC TOOLKIT, AND BASICALLY WE HAVE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDS THAT THE IRS SAYS THAT WE CAN PUT MONEY INTO AND GRANT BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM UP ABOVE THESE TOP TWO FUNDS ARE THE MOST GENERAL IN TERMS OF HOW THIS MONEY CAN BE USED.
SO WE HAVE OUR GREATER SEDONA COMMUNITY FUND.
AND THEN WE HAVE A SERIES OF FUNDS FOR THE REGION THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO A FIELD OF INTEREST LIKE ANIMALS OR HEALTHCARE OR, UM, EDUCATION.
AND THEN AS WE GO DOWN IN THE DIAGRAM, THEY GET MORE AND MORE RESTRICTIVE.
SO WE, WE MANAGE DONOR ADVISED FUNDS.
THESE ARE BASICALLY INDIVIDUALS CHARITABLE CHECKING ACCOUNTS.
WE OFFER COLLABORATIVE FUNDS WHERE WE CAN POOL DONATIONS FROM LOTS OF PEOPLE AND PROVIDE GRANTS BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.
WE ARE THE LARGEST PRIVATE PROVIDER OF SCHOLARSHIPS IN THE STATE.
THESE ARE BASICALLY, UM, FUNDS ALTERNATIVES TO A PRIVATE FOUNDATION, AND THEN WE HELP NONPROFITS BUILD THEIR OWN ENDOWMENTS.
SO WE HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST PHILANTHROPIC TOOLKIT.
SO HOW DO WE MANAGE ALL OF THIS MONEY? THAT'S ENTRUSTED TO US.
YOU CAN REST AT EASE THAT I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF THAT PORTION.
WE HAVE A VERY GREAT TEAM DOWN IN PHOENIX WHO DOES THIS FOR US, BUT WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS UNLIKE VANGUARD OR EDWARD JONES OR YOUR PERSONAL FINANCIAL ADVISOR, WE'RE A COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.
AND SO WE MANAGE THESE AS INSTITUTIONAL INVESTMENTS.
AND OUR PRIMARY GOAL IS TO PRESERVE AND GROW THE ENDOWMENT, GENERATE ENOUGH RETURNS THAT ARE GREATER THAN OUR SPENDING ON THE GRANTS AND OUR FEES.
SO WE AVERAGE A 7.5% RETURN RATE.
WE HAVE A SPEND RATE OF 4.2, 5%, AND THAT IS CALCULATED ON THE AVERAGE BALANCE FROM THE LAST 12 QUARTERS.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT THAT SPEND RATE AND HOW IT'S CALCULATED IS WHEN THE MARKETS GO DOWN AND TIMES ARE TOUGH.
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ARE DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO GET MONEY BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE REALLY NEED IT.AND WE OPERATE ON A 1% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE
SO WHO CAN RECEIVE FUNDING FROM ACF? IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL THESE FUNDS ARE DONOR DRIVEN.
SO WHATEVER THE DONOR SAYS, WHEN THEY ESTABLISH THAT FUND WITH ACF, WE MUST DIVIDE BY, BUT WE CAN GIVE TO 5 0 1 C THREE ORGANIZATIONS WE CAN GIVE TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, SCHOOLS, THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, FIRST RESPONDERS CAN RECEIVE GRANTS FROM US.
WE CAN GRANT TO TRIBAL ENTITIES, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, IF IT'S NOT FOR A, IF IT'S FOR COMMUNITY GOOD, NOT, UM, SECTARIAN ISSUES AND A COMMON MISCONCEPTION IS WE CAN GRANT TO ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY AND ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
SO WHILE OUR NAME IS THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION THAT DOES NOT LIMIT YOUR GIVING.
AND THEN EACH YEAR WE RUN ABOUT 42 COMPETITIVE GRANT CYCLES OUT OF OUR MAIN OFFICE.
SO THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE OF ACF.
WHAT DO WE DO HERE? WHY ARE WE HERE? SO THIS ACF OF SEDONA REGIONAL OFFICE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 91.
AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE 15 MILLION IN ASSETS, UNDER MANAGEMENT THAT ARE DESIGNATED TO SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY WE'VE DISTRIBUTED OVER 11 MILLION IN THE HISTORY OF THIS OFFICE.
AND WE'RE AVERAGING ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS OUT INTO OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.
WE DO HAVE A LOCAL BOARD OF ADVISORS.
AND BILL METO IS OUR VICE CHAIR, AND WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THE VARIETY OF INTERESTS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY WORK WITH ACROSS THE REGION.
SO ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS WE DO ALL YEAR IS OUR COMPETITIVE GRANT CYCLE.
SO THAT GREATER SEDONA COMMUNITY FUND AND THESE FIELDS OF INTEREST FUNDS ARE WHAT WE USE EVERY YEAR TO RUN A GRANT CYCLE.
SO WE INVITE ALL THE ORG LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO APPLY TO US FOR FUNDING.
WE PUT TOGETHER A VOLUNTEER GROUP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO REVIEW THESE GRANTS AND THEN MAKE THE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR BOARD OF ADVISORS.
SO I HAVE NO DECISION MAKING IN THE GRANT PROCESS.
I SIMPLY FACILITATE THAT THROUGH OUR OFFICE, BUT WE HAVE 15 FUNDS HERE THAT FACILITATE THE GRANT PROCESS.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE SOME FAMILIES MAY SET UP THEIR OWN FUND, WHERE THEY WANT THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION TO PROVIDE THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THEM, WE HAVE OTHER COLLABORATIVE FUNDS LIKE THE COMMUNITY FUND, THE ANIMAL FUND, THE HEALTHCARE FUND THAT YOU AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN CONTRIBUTE TO.
AND THAT'S WHAT MY HUSBAND AND I REALLY ENJOY.
WE WISH WE WERE MILLIONAIRES AND WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE HUGE PHILANTHROPISTS, BUT WE CAN'T, BUT WE CAN FEEL LIKE WE ARE BECAUSE WE GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY FUND EVERY YEAR, A PORTION GOES BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY AND WE KNOW A PORTION OF OUR GIFT IS GETTING INVESTED AND WE'LL BENEFIT FAMILIES FROM YEARS FROM NOW.
SO LIKE ALL GRANT CYCLES, WE NEVER HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GIVE AWAY.
SO WE HAVE, WHAT'S REALLY COOL IS CALLED THE WORTHY PROJECT LIST.
AND I'VE GIVEN YOU A PACKET AND THERE'S A COPY OF IT IN THERE FOR YOU, BUT THIS IS A FREE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WHETHER YOU HAVE A FUND WITH US, US OR NOT.
AND WHEN OUR GRANT PANEL GOES THROUGH AND MAKES THE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY SAY, WELL, IF WE HAD ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WOULD FUND THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
SO WE ORGANIZED ALL OF THE PROJECTS IN WHAT WE CALL OUR WORTHY PROJECT LIST, AND IT'S ORGANIZED BY AREA OF INTEREST.
SO IF YOU ARE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU CAN PULL UP THIS LIST AND IT'S LIKE, YOU GOT THE ACF GOOD HOUSEKEEPING STAMP OF APPROVAL.
IT'S BEEN REVIEWED, IT'S BEEN VETTED, IT'S RECOMMENDED, AND YOU CAN JUST WRITE THEM A CHECK.
AND FOR YEARS I WORKED IN DEVELOPMENT FOR LOTS OF NONPROFITS ACROSS THE VERDE VALLEY.
AND I HEARD ABOUT THIS WORTHY PROJECT.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A BUNCH OF MALARKEY.
AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, A CHECK'S GONNA COME IN THE MAIL FROM SOME LOVELY COMMUNITY MEMBER.
AND WE MOBILIZE ANOTHER $200,000 AT LEAST A YEAR JUST THROUGH THIS FREE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO HOW DO PEOPLE WORK WITH US? BASICALLY, DONORS CAN COME TO US.
THEY CAN DONATE ALL KINDS OF ASSETS TO US.
THEY MEET WITH PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF.
THEY CALL ME A RELATIONSHIP MANAGER IN OUR LITTLE ACRONYMS. AND I TALK WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM.
WHERE DO THEY WANNA GIVE? WE DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF FUND WORKS BEST FOR THEIR PHILANTHROPIC GOALS.
WE INVEST THAT MONEY AND THEN WE HELP THEM GRANT IT BACK OUT.
SO PEOPLE, WHEN THEY WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION CAN GIVE DURING THEIR LIFETIME, BUT THEY ALSO CAN GIVE, WHEN THEY PASS, THEY CAN LEAVE A LEGACY OR A PLANNED GIFT.
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AWAY ALL THEIR MONEY DURING THEIR LIFETIME.AND THEY WANNA SEE THE, HOW IT WAS UTILIZED.
SOME PEOPLE WANNA HOLD ONTO IT REALLY, REALLY TIGHT TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T LIVE HILL FOREVER AND RUN OUTTA MONEY.
AND SOME PEOPLE DO A COMBINATION OF BOTH, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE WORK WITH PEOPLE IN THEIR CURRENT GIVING, AS WELL AS PLANNED GIVING.
SO HOW DO INDIVIDUALS WORK WITH US? INDIVIDUALS CAN GIVE TO AN EXISTING FUND LIKE MY HUSBAND AND I DO.
THEY CAN, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUND THAT THEY WANT, WE CAN SET UP A FUND FOR THEM.
THEY CAN ESTABLISH A SCHOLARSHIP TO STAY HERE LOCALLY, OR FOR THEIR ALMA MATER BACK EAST OR WHEREVER THEY GREW UP.
THEN THEY CAN WORK WITH US TO HELP IDENTIFY ORGANIZATIONS OR CAUSES THAT THEY WANNA SUPPORT.
AND WE CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THAT COMPLEX GIFT PLANNING OF CHARITABLE REMAINDER TRUSTS, AND CHARITABLE GIFT ANNUITIES.
SO BILL AND SUSAN ICK ARE A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF A LOCAL COUPLE WHO'S REALLY TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.
THEY STARTED YEARS AGO WHEN ESTABLISHING A DONOR ADVISED FUND.
THIS IS LIKE THEIR CHARITABLE CHECKING ACCOUNT.
THEY ALSO WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE DIFFICULTY OF OUR LOCAL COMPANIES TO GET QUALIFIED WORKERS AND THE, THE, THE LOW NUMBERS OF STUDENTS GOING ON TO FOUR YEAR DEGREES.
AND THEY ESTABLISHED THE PATHWAY TO CAREER SCHOLARSHIP FUND.
THAT'S HERE TO BENEFIT STUDENTS OF ALL AGES IN THE VERDE VALLEY FOR CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION.
AND THEN WHEN THEY PASS, THEY HAVE, UM, ESTABLISHED A VERY SIGNIFICANT PLANNED GIFT AND THEIR GIVING WILL CONTINUE TO THE CHARITIES THAT THEY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT FOREVER AND EVER.
WE WORK WITH GROUPS OF ORGANIZATIONS, SO WE POOL RESOURCES.
SO THE FOREST HIGHLANDS FOUNDATION IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
THEY HAVE THEIR MEMBERSHIP GIVE TO THEIR PARTICULAR FUND.
THEY UTILIZE OUR WORTHY PROJECT LIST AND IDENTIFY WAYS TO GIVE BACK.
SO THAT'S A NICE WAY WHERE YOU CAN GET LOTS OF PEOPLE INVOLVED.
WE ALSO WORK WITH TOWNS AND GOVERNMENTS, UM, AND TOWNS AND GOVERNMENTS.
I'M SURE AS YOU KNOW, ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE GRANT FUNDING THROUGH OUR COMPETITIVE GRANT CYCLE.
UM, WE ALSO MANAGE MANY, UM, TOWNS AND GOVERNMENTS GRANT CYCLE FOR THEM.
UM, WE ALSO PROVIDE PHILANTHROPIC LOAN FUNDS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, COMMUNITY IMPACT, INVESTMENT INVESTING AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
AND THEN WE ALSO WORK WITH TOWNS AND GOVERNMENTS WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, UM, WITH DISASTER FUNDING AND FACILITATING THAT DEPLOYMENT OF RESOURCES TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN NEED.
FOR INSTANCE, THE, UM, FLOODING ISSUES IN FLAGSTAFF, OUR ACF OFFICE, THERE HAS HELPED TO GET SOME MONEY TO THOSE CITIZENS WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE FLOODS.
SO SOME OF THE CITIES AND COUNTIES LISTED HERE, ALL OF THESE DO PARTNER WITH ACF, UM, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BUSINESSES WORK WITH US AS WELL.
UM, ENCHANTMENT RESORT HAS A CORPORATE DONOR ADVISED FUND WITH US AND THEY SELL CERTAIN ITEMS AT THEIR BUSINESS.
AND THEN THEY ALL THE PROCEEDS OF THOSE GO INTO THEIR FUND AND THEY HAVE THE BOYNTON CANYON PRESERVATION FUND, WHICH IS GIVEN OUT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE ALSO WORK WITH COX CHARITIES, APS, BLUE, CROSS BLUE SHIELD.
ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS LISTED, WE FACILITATE THE GRANT MAKING FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.
AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS I'M MOST PROUD OF IS HAVING COME FROM THE NONPROFIT SIDE.
WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH NON-PROFITS TO HELP THEM ESTABLISH THEIR OWN RESERVE AND ENDOWMENT FUNDS.
AND WE HAVE 27 NONPROFIT FUNDS HERE IN SEDONA, IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
SO WE'RE NOT ONLY HERE TO GIVE GRANTS OUT.
WE WANNA HELP ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS DOING SUCH IMPORTANT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY, BE HERE FOR THE LONG RUN AND HAVE THAT FINANCIAL SECURITY.
SO THE, UM, ONE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THE PLANNED GIFTS IS THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE PLANNED GIFTS.
UM, WHEN PEOPLE MAKE A PLANNED GIFT, IT'S A BIG, BIG DECISION TO DECIDE WHERE YOUR LIFELONG MONEY IS GONNA GO WHEN YOU PASS AND YOU WORRY, DID I MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION? DID I MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION? SO WHEN YOU WORK WITH ACF, YOU NAME ACF AS THE BENEFICIARY IN YOUR TRUST OR WILL, AND THEN WE KEEP A LIVE DOCUMENT IN OUR OFFICE WHERE YOU CAN CHANGE IT AT ANY TIME.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO YOUR TRUST, OR YOUR WILL.
UM, YOU JUST CALL US AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS GREAT GROUP, PLEASE ADD TO MY LIST OF DESIGNATED, UM, BENEFICIARIES AND THIS LOVELY LADY, BARBARA BRUN JUST MADE A GIGANTIC PLANT GIFT, AND SHE WILL BE BENEFITING.
IT WILL BE BENEFITING THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY,
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THE SALVATION ARMY OF SEDONA, AS WELL AS SEVEN OTHER BENEFICIARIES.AND IT WILL BE HER, THE BARBARA BRUN GIFT OF LIFE FUND THAT WILL GO ON IN PERPETUITY.
SO WHAT HAVE WE DONE HERE, LIKE LOCALLY IN OUR REGION? HOW IS IT HAVE THESE MONIES MADE AN IMPACT FOR OUR REGION? MOST RECENTLY, JEROME RECEIVED A BRIDGE LOAN FROM ACF THROUGH ONE OF OUR IMPACT LOAN FUNDS TO HELP THEM GET ACCESS TO THE U S D A FUNDING FOR THEIR WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
WE'VE FUNDED THE EXHIBITS FOR THE NEW CHILDREN'S SCIENCE VORTEX MUSEUM IN COTTONWOOD.
UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED AEDS FOR SEDONA POLICE CARS.
WE HAVE PROVIDE, WE MANAGE THE SEDONA RED ROCK TRAIL FUND ENDOWMENT.
WE'VE GRANTED, WE GRANTED OVER $500,000 AND 12 WEEKS DURING THE PANDEMIC.
WE'VE FUNDED REFRIGERATED TRUCKS FOR MANZA OUTREACH, MANY EARLY LITERACY PROGRAMS. AND MOST RECENTLY WE PUT A NEW LIBRARY IN, AT THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION, MONTESSORI PRESCHOOL.
SO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING, AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THEM, I'M HAPPY TO CHAT WITH YOU AT ANOTHER TIME IS THAT PATHWAY TO CAREER SCHOLARSHIP FUND ARE NEW ROOF FOR ALL HOUSING FUND, OUR PHILANTHROPIC LOAN FUNDS.
WE MANAGE GIVING CIRCLES AND WE WILL BE HAVING AN ARIZONA ENDOWMENT BUILDING INSTITUTE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA, BEGINNING IN JANUARY FOR OUR LOCAL NONPROFITS.
SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I HOPE YOU FOUND IT ENLIGHTENING AND IDENTIFIED SOME MORE WAYS THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU, JENNIFER, WHO HAS THE QUESTION FOR JENNIFER? ANYONE? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, JT.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JENNIFER.
UM, I NOTICED, UM, THAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED BLUE CROSS, UH, BLUE SHIELD IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS.
AND I WAS WONDERING, IS IT, HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THE POSSIBILITY OF SUPPORTING ALL OF THESE WONDERFUL NONPROFITS, UH, BY HAVING SOME KIND OF A, UM, A, A GROUP HEALTH PLAN, ESPECIALLY FOR SMALL NONPROFITS THAT YOU HAVE A FEW FEW EMPLOYEES, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE FIVE OR SIX EMPLOYEES, IT JUST DOESN'T PENCIL OUT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR ORGANIZATION MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO? IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR ORGANIZATION COULD FUND.
WE ARE A FUNDER, BUT WE ARE NOT THE DOERS OF ALL OF THIS GREAT WORK.
WE FACILITATE THE GOOD WORK OF OTHERS.
SO IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE ARIZONA ALLIANCE OF NONPROFITS WOULD BE A GREAT, UM, AVENUE FOR THAT.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY OFFER THAT CURRENTLY, BUT WE CANNOT DO THAT TYPE OF PROGRAMMING PER SE, BUT WE FACILITATE WITH THE FUNDING SIDE.
BUT, UM, AND I ALSO WANNA ASK ABOUT YOUR INVESTMENT.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INVESTMENT, UH, PORTFOLIO ITSELF? I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF MAKING YOUR INVESTMENTS ARE REALLY LOOKING AT, UH, THE, THE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE NOT THE SIN STOCKS THAT THEY USED TO BE CALLED OR WHATEVER.
SO WE HAVE AN INVESTMENT COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A MEMBER, A SUBSET OF OUR BOARD, AND THEN WE HAVE INVESTMENT STAFF MEMBERS, AND THEN WE WORK WITH A THIRD PARTY CONSULTING FIRM.
SO WE HAVE SORT OF A TRIANGULATED, UM, APPROACH TO HOW OUR INVESTMENTS ARE GOVERNED AND OVERSEEN, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE A 5 29 PLAN.
AND BASICALLY YOUR MONEY IS POOLED WITH OTHERS AND YOU CHOOSE THE INVESTMENT POOL IN WHICH YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR MONIES IN BASED ON THE USAGE OF IT.
SO IT'S IN INSTITUTIONAL INVESTING.
SO WE HAVE A SHORT TERM POOL, AN INTERMEDIATE POOL, A SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE POOL, AND A LONG TERM DIVERSIFIED POOL, WHICH IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR MONEY IS.
AND THEN WE HAVE KIND OF A HYBRID, SUPER AGGRESSIVE POOL FOR LIKE THREE CLIENTS THAT WE DON'T USUALLY TELL ANYONE TO TAKE, UNLESS YOU'RE SUPER BRAVE.
SO THEY OVERSEE THAT THEY MEET QUARTERLY AND THOSE INVESTMENT COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO OUR FUND HOLDERS.
UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS A, A, THERE IT'S A WIDE VARIETY OF STOCKS AND BONDS OR WHATEVER.
AND, UM, IT, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY HAVE GUIDELINES THAT SAY WE WON'T INVEST IN, UM, PETROLEUM PRODUCTS OR WHATEVER ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS THAT'S AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE POOL, WHICH WE STARTED IN ABOUT 2009.
AND IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE POPULAR, PARTICULARLY AMONGST OUR NONPROFIT FUND HOLDERS BECAUSE IT'S IS ALIGNMENT WITH THEIR, UM, MISSIONS TO, OKAY.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE INDIVIDUAL FUND CAN CAN SPECIFY.
THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE OUR ENDOWMENT INVESTED IN, AS OPPOSED TO,
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IT'S JUST TURNED OVER TO YOU.AND YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE BEST RETURN.
AND JUST TO BE COMPLETELY CLEAR WHEN ORGANIZATIONS OR INDIVIDUALS WORK WITH ACF, THEY ARE IN ESSENCE ADOPTING THE ACF INVESTMENT POLICY.
SO YOU CHOOSE THE POOL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE IN, AND YOU ARE ABIDING BY THE INVESTMENT POLICY OF ACF, BUT THERE IT IS VERY WELL DONE AND IT IS WITH INSTITUTIONAL, UM, INVESTMENTS IN MIND.
BUT I, I COULD, IF I WERE ONE OF THESE, UH, ENDOWMENT AND I HAD MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WORKED WITH YOU TO SET UP SOMETHING, I COULD CHOOSE THE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY POOL.
AND YOU CAN SPLIT IT BETWEEN POOLS FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
AND THE INVESTMENT POLICY VARIES BY POOL.
NO, IT IS THE, OR IT'S THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION INVESTMENT POLICY, LIKE MANY NONPROFITS HAVE THEIR OWN INVESTMENT POLICY.
UM, AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOU ARE ALSO THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR FOR ACF.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS AND, UM, WHETHER THERE, WHAT ADVANTAGES THERE ARE TO, TO THAT SITUATION? ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE REGIONAL REPRESENTATION HERE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.
SO AS THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR, IT'S MY JOB TO BE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, VISITING WITH THE NONPROFITS, UNDERSTANDING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, UNDERSTANDING WHAT TYPES OF PROGRAMS THE CITIES AND TOWNS ARE DOING AND IDENTIFYING THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE'S GAPS, PHILANTHROPY, ISN'T GONNA SOLVE IT, BUT WE ARE ONE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UTILIZE OUR PHILANTHROPY TO LEVERAGE OTHER DONATIONS AND TO PULL PEOPLE TOGETHER.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THIS PATHWAY TO CAREER SCHOLARSHIP FUND IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW WE WERE ABLE TO MOBILIZE ON A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE HERE LOCALLY, UM, AND CREATE A FUND THAT WILL BE HERE FOREVER TO SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS.
SO WE HAVE OUR MAIN OFFICE IN PHOENIX, AND WE HAVE AN ARMY OF REALLY TALENTED INDIVIDUALS, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE THOSE LOCAL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO TALK WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELVES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, HAVE OUR FINGER ON THE PULSE OF WHAT'S NEEDED HERE.
AND AT TIMES, VERY OFTEN, WE WERE ABLE TO GET MONEY OUT OF PHOENIX.
LAST YEAR ALONE, WE BROUGHT IN ANOTHER $365,000 OUT OF THE VALLEY TO ADDRESS NEEDS HERE LOCALLY.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? THAT YOU GET THAT? SO WE HAVE, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT KINDS OF FUNDS.
THERE'S CERTAIN FUNDS THAT ARE DISCRETIONARY OR THE DONORS WANT THEIR MONEY TO GO TO RURAL AREAS.
SO I PRESENT PROJECTS THAT, UM, I RECOMMEND FOR FUNDING.
SO YOUR JOB IS PRIMARILY OUTREACH, IS THAT RIGHT? AND THEN THE MONEY PART OF IT IS DONE ON A STATEWIDE BASIS.
I DON'T DO THE INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT, BUT WE BASICALLY RUN A MINI OFFICE OUT OF THIS ONE OUT OF OUR LOCAL OFFICE.
SO WE RUN THE GRANT CYCLES, WE RUN SCHOLARSHIPS, WE DO OUTREACH TO THE SCHOOLS, OUTREACH TO THE NONPROFITS AND IT'S AND FUND DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, WE'RE ONLY AS SUCCESSFUL AS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE TO GIVE AWAY.
SO YOU, SO YOU DO GIVE OUT MONEY TOO HERE, UH, IN THE AREA IN, IS IT, WHAT, HOW BIG IS YOUR AREA? MY REGION IS SEDONA IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
UM, WE USED TO BE AS OF LAST FRIDAY CALLED AFFILIATES.
WE'RE NO LONGER AFFILIATES AND WE'RE BREAKING AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH OVERLAP NOW THAT WE ARE NOW JUST THE ACF OFFICE WITH THIS, UM, REGIONAL REPRESENTATION.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M GOOD.
THAT'S REALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
OKAY, SO NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT, REGULAR BUSINESS AB 28, 15, OH, SORRY.
[8.b. AB 2844 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of an amount not-to-exceed $155,000 to expand and improve the Sedona Dog Park and off-leash use of athletic fields.]
ITEM B UH, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF AN AMOUNT, NOT TO EXCEED 155,000 TO EXPAND AND IMPROVE THE SEDONA DOG PARK AND OFF LEAF OFF LEASH USE OF ATHLETIC FIELDS WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS ITEM.[01:10:03]
YOU'RE EVEN COLOR COORDINATED NOTICE.WHEN I WALKED IN, I SAID TO ANDY EERY, IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE GREAT CLIENTS MAKE A LIGHT TIME TOGETHER? I THINK.
AND DON IS THE OTHER ANDY, NOT THE SANDY.
I'M DON NORMAN PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER.
UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH MY PRESENTATION AND THEN HAVE ANDY CHIME IN ON THE CONSTRUCTION PORTION AND KAREN CHIME IN ON THE SUSTAINABILITY SIDE OF IT.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING AN EXPANSION TO THE DOG PARK, EXISTING DOG PARK.
UM, THE REASONING FOR THAT IS WE CURRENTLY HAVE, OKAY.
WE HAVE A VERY LIMITED INVENTORY OF NATURAL GRASS FIELDS, AND WE ARE LIMITED TO THREE FIELDS AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK.
ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNATED AS ATHLETIC FIELDS AND ONE AT SUNSET PARK, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A RECREATIONAL DESIGNATION WHEN A FIELD IS DESIGNATED FOR ATHLETIC USE VERSUS RECREATIONAL USE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM, SET STANDARDS FOR THAT.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE IT PROTECTS INTEGRITY OF THE TURF OF THE SURFACE, AS WELL AS, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, PROTECTS AND ENSURES THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHO ARE THE USERS OF THE FIELD.
THIS DESIGNATION REQUIRES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENSURING THAT THE FIELDS ARE MAINTAINED TO THE LEVEL OF STANDARD FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS.
POSSE IS THE ONLY LOCATION FOR ORGANIZED SPORTS.
SO THAT IS VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE IF WE ONLY HAVE THREE FIELDS AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE SPORTS CRUISER USERS WANTING TO USE IT AND THEIR LEAGUES ARE SUCCINCT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT WE STRUGGLE WITH IS SHARED USE WHERE WE HAVE MULTIPLE TEAMS USING THE FIELDS AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'LL SEE SOCCER, YOU'LL SEE FRISBEE, YOU'LL SEE YOUTH SOCCER, YOU'LL SEE ADULT SOCCER, YOU'LL SEE SOMETIMES SEE BASEBALL PLAYERS ON THE FIELD.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE VARIOUS SPORTS TAKING PLACE ON ALL THREE FIELDS THROUGHOUT A DAY.
UM, WE ALSO ON OUR CITY CODE, IT PROHIBITS DOMESTIC ANIMALS FROM USING THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, EXCEPT WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
THIS HELPS MITIGATE THE DAMAGE ALONG WITH ENSURING THE HEALTH AND SANITARY CONCERNS.
IN ADDITION, OUR STATE DOES HAVE A LEASH LAW, WHICH, WHICH REQUIRES DOGS TO BE, UM, CONSTRAINED OR ON LEASH.
WHEN THEY'RE OUT IN THE PUBLIC, THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THAT AS WELL, BUT THAT IS WHERE IT'S A KENNEL SPONSORED EVENT OR THEY'RE EXHIBITING OR TRAINING.
IT'S AN ACTUAL ORGANIZED EVENT THAT IS ORGANIZED IN THE FUNCTIONS THAT IT'S OFFERING THE, AND OUR POSSE GROUNDS PARK OPERATION PLAN ALSO OUTLINES THAT STAFF WILL ENFORCE PARK RULES.
AND SPECIFICALLY, SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THAT WE ENFORCE DOGS ON THE ENFORCE AND PROHIBIT THE DOGS ON THE FIELD.
SO WHERE CAN OUR DOGS RUN? WE HAVE THE SEDONA DOG PARK, WHICH HAS NO NATURAL GRASS.
IT IS ALL DIRT AND DECOMPOSED GRANITE ALONG WITH A SMALL PATCH OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.
AND THEN AT SUNSET PARK, WE HAVE GRASS, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP THEIR DOGS ON THE LEASH BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC PARK.
PRIOR TO YPI HOUR, WE OFFERED A DOG EVENT.
AND AT THAT DOG EVENT, THE, THE VOICES THAT WERE HEARD WERE EXPRESSING THE NEED FOR A FIELD FOR DOG USE.
AND OUT OF THAT YY HOUR WAS INTRODUCED.
AND THAT WAS IN 2015, IT WAS BROUGHT IN BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THE GRASS AMENITY.
THIS IS A DROP IN, THIS IS A DROP IN, SORRY, THIS IS A DROP IN PROGRAM.
MEANING PEOPLE DO NOT NEED TO REGISTER.
SO WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION FROM THEM.
IT'S A 60 MINUTE PROGRAM HELD ON THURSDAYS AT THE MULTI-USE FIELD, THERE WERE SOME VERY CLEAR AND DEFINED STIPULATIONS WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS INTRODUCED THAT WE ABIDE BY AND TRY TO FOLLOW.
AND WHAT ARE THOSE STIPULATIONS? THE STIPULATIONS OUTLINED FOR THE PROGRAM REQUIRE THAT IT'S VOLUNTEER OPERATED, THAT PARTICIPANTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR DOGS MANAGEMENT OF THEIR DOGS DURING THE EVENT, AND THAT THEY PICK UP THE DOG WASTE.
I WANT YOU TO KEEP NOTE THOUGH, THERE IS ONLY A PORTION OF DOG WASTE THAT
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YOU CAN ACTUALLY PICK UP.UM, THE DOG RULES FROM THE DOG PARK UP APPLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S NO USE OF THE FIELD OUTSIDE OF THE PROGRAM.
YPI HOUR WAS A SUCCESS AND CONTINUES TO BE SUCCESS.
WE AVERAGE OVER 60 DOGS PER WEEK.
UM, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST TO THE POINT THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF DOGS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO SET CAPACITY LIMITS, UM, DIRECTED BY LEGAL HAS SUGGESTED THAT, UM, WITH THAT, AS I MENTIONED, IT IS DROP IN.
AND SO PARTICIPANTS, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEIR RESIDENTS ARE NON-RESIDENTS.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE ASKED, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE WE SERVING AND HOW MANY ARE NOT RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE SERVING? WE HAVE BEEN FACED WITH CHALLENGES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.
AND SINCE I BEGAN HERE, I CAN TELL YOU, IT IS A RECURRING CHALLENGE BECAUSE OF THE FACT, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING INTO TOWN, WHO AREN'T AWARE OF WHAT THESE RULES ARE, BECAUSE THEY HEAR THROUGH THE GREAT FIND THAT THERE'S YAPPY HOUR AT THE PARK.
SO THEY COME, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IS WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO, UM, DON'T ADHERE TO WHEN THERE'S A CANCELLATION, BECAUSE THE FIELDS ARE WET OR BECAUSE WINE FEST IS HAPPENING OR ANOTHER RENTER IS ON THE FIELD.
THEY ALSO, WE'VE HAD TO TRY TO ENFORCE THAT.
THEY KEEP WITHIN THAT ONE HOUR TIMEFRAME, BECAUSE IF IT STARTS AT EIGHT, WE'LL SEE DOGS ON THE FIELD AT SEVEN.
AND WHEN YOU GO TO ENFORCE IT, THEY'RE LIKE, WE'RE HERE FOR HAPPY HOUR.
AND WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE REALLY SORRY, BUT YOU CAN'T BE HERE UNTIL EIGHT O'CLOCK OR NINE O'CLOCK, WHATEVER THE START TIME IS, UM, CONTINUING WITH THE CHALLENGES OF PICKING UP THE DOG WASTE WITH VOLUNTEERS, WE'VE HEARD THROUGH THE YEARS COMPLAINTS FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPANTS TO PICK IT UP.
SO THE VOLUNTEERS ARE PICKING IT UP.
AND THEN LASTLY, OBTAINING VOLUNTEERS, BECAUSE IT IS A TOUGH JOB, THERE ARE RULES THAT HAVE TO BE ENFORCED.
AND AS A VOLUNTEER, IT IS CHALLENGING TO HAVE TO ENFORCE SOME OF THOSE TOUGH RULES.
SO AS I SHARED YPI HOUR WAS CREATED, UM, TO, FOR A SOLUTION.
AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE MISSING THE AMENITY OF A GRASS FIELD FOR DOGS TO USE.
BUT THIS HAS ACTUALLY HAD AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION OF OUR CITY CODE AND DOG USE ON THE FIELDS.
IT'S ASSUMED THAT IT'S ACCEPTABLE AT ANY TIME.
SO IN 2017, OUR DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THE VIOLATIONS OF DOG USE BOTH AT SUNSET PARK AND POSSE, WE PARTNERED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE DID A LEASH LAW CAMPAIGN DURING THAT YEAR.
UM, THAT SAME YEAR WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL APPROACH, OUR DEPARTMENT REPRESENTING THEMSELVES AS GREYHOUNDS OF THE VERDE VALLEY.
AND THEY WERE REPRESENTING A GROUP AT THE TIME.
NOW THEIR RENTAL IS REFLECTING 10 PARTICIPANTS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION OTHER THAN THE PERSON WHO RENTS IT.
UM, THEIR REQUEST WAS BASED TO THE MANAGER THAT THEIR BREED IS NOT ABLE TO INTERACT WITH OTHER DOGS BECAUSE THEIR NATURE IS AS A HUNTER, THEY'RE FAST, THEY'VE GOT THIN SKIN.
SO THERE, THERE ARE REASONS WHY THEY DON'T WANNA INTEGRATE WITH OTHER DOGS, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE.
UM, AT THE TIME THE MANAGER DID APPROVE AND ALLOW THEM TO RENT THE FIELD.
UM, THE EXCEPTION MADE WAS THAT THEY ACTUALLY GOT A SPECIAL RATE OF $5 AN HOUR, WHICH IS OUR NORMAL NONPROFIT RATE.
UM, AND THEY ARE NOT A NONPROFIT, AS FAR AS THE PAPERWORK THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN.
THEY ALSO WERE WAIVED THE REQUIREMENT OF HAVING TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH INSURANCE, WHICH IS A STANDARD FOR ALL OF OUR RENTALS AT THE PARK.
UM, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO USE IT FOR TWO DAYS PER WEEK.
THEY WOULD USE THE MULTI-USE FIELD.
AND AS I SHARED, THEY HAD FIVE TO 10 PARTICIPANTS SINCE 2017, WE HAVE HAD CHALLENGES WITH THE RENTER.
UM, THEY'VE USED THE, THE FIELD OUTSIDE OF THEM SUBMITTING THE RENTAL PAPERWORK OR PAYMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE ON A RECURRING USE.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE WOULDN'T SEE THEM FOR A MONTH AFTER THE MONTH AFTER THE MONTH STARTED, OR TWO WEEKS AFTER THE A WEEK, I'M SORRY, OR TWO WEEKS AFTER THE RENTAL OF THE MONTH HAD STARTED.
AND THEN THEY WOULD SUBMIT THEIR PAPERWORK IN PAY AND PAYMENT.
UM, ALSO UNAUTHORIZED USE OF THE SPACE WHERE WE WOULD TELL THEM THERE'S CERTAIN DATES THAT THEY CANNOT USE IT BECAUSE THERE'S A RENTAL, OR THERE WAS OTHER THINGS HAPPENING WITH THE FIELD THAT CAUSED THEM NOT TO BE ABLE TO USE IT.
AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE PARTICIPANTS WHO WOULD STILL SHOW UP AND USE IT OUTSIDE OF NOT BEING AUTHORIZED TO USE IT.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS FAILURE TO FOLLOW THE RENTAL TERMS WHERE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T THE RENTER DIDN'T FOLLOW DEADLINES OF SUBMITTING THE PAPERWORK ON TIME OR, UM, LISTENING TO THE DIRECTION OF STAFF THAT WAS GIVEN AND
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PROVIDED TO THEM.SO WHAT HAS YPI HOUR IN THE GREYHOUND USE CREATED? UM, IT HAS PRESENTED SOME NEGATIVE IMPACT.
THE FIRST IS THE VIOLATORS OUTSIDE OF THE PROGRAM HOURS.
THAT IS THE MOST GLARING BY ALLOWING THESE USES IT AS A NEGATIVE IMPACT IN OUR OPERATIONS WHERE THE AMOUNT OF VIOLATIONS IS A MAN UNMANAGEABLE FOR STAFF IT'S TO THE POINT WHERE, WHEN WE APPROACH AS PARK STAFF, WHERE THE RESIDENT, THEIR RESPONSE, OR THE PERSON I SHOULD SAY USER, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE A RESIDENT OR NOT RESIDENT, THEY'RE A RESPONSE IS, WELL, YOU LET YPI HOUR IN THE GREYHOUND USE IT.
SO I DON'T SEE WHY I CAN'T BE HERE.
AND WE GET CALLS AND COMPLAINTS FROM THE PUBLIC ALL THE TIME ABOUT DOGS ON THE FIELD AND WHY WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
UM, WHEN ENFORCING, THEY HAVE DISREGARD FOR US, UM, THEY'RE SOMETIMES VERY RUDE AND VERY, UM, CONFLICTIVE WITH US.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OTHERS WHO REQUEST THE SAME THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOMEONE IN THE POSSE GROUND NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAS A BLIND DOG AND NONSTOP.
AND SHE ALWAYS LISTENED AND ADHERED AND WAS RESPECTFUL, BUT IT WAS A WEEKLY THING WHERE WE HAD TO TALK TO HER, BUT SHE WAS LIKE, MY DOG IS BLIND.
I CAN'T TAKE MY DOG TO THE, TO THE DOG PARK BECAUSE IT'S BLIND.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER RESIDENTS HERE WHO ARE FACED WITH THE SAME CHALLENGES AS OTHER DOG USERS, BUT THEY'RE ADHERING TO OUR RULES AND, AND CITY CODE.
UM, WHAT ELSE IS THE SUN A MAJOR IMPACT TO SPORTS USERS? THEY HAVE THE DOG WASTE THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH NOW THAT A WAIT A Y S O STARTS USUALLY WHEN IT DOES, WE START OUR USUAL PHONE CALLS AFTER THE WEEKEND OF COMPLAINTS FROM PARENTS BECAUSE THEY OR THEIR CHILD HAS STEPPED IN DOG WASTE, OR THE DOG WERE ON THE FIELD WHEN THEY SHOWED UP, IT'S ALWAYS DOG RELATED.
DID SO HERE I ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE MULTI-USE FIELD CONDITION.
THIS WAS PRIOR TO THE RECENT PROJECT THAT WE JUST COMPLETED.
UM, IN THESE PHOTOS, THE ONES WITH THE LOID BOX, I PUT THAT IN THERE.
SO THAT DAY, THAT WAY IT WOULD GIVE YOU A GOOD PER PERCEPTION OF THE SIZE OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND THE IMPACT THAT IT'S HAVING.
AND THESE WERE DONE ON A DAY, THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN ON A NON DOG USE DAY, MEANING THIS WASN'T A YAPPY HOUR, DAY OR A GREYHOUND DAY.
SO THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO DOG USE ON THIS.
AND YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THE FRESHLY REPAIRED PATCHES HAVE DOG PRINTS IN IT, OR DOG HOLES DUG IN IT ALREADY.
AND THIS IS AN ONGOING THING THAT MAINTENANCE IS HAVING TO ADDRESS ON THE ATHLETIC FIELD.
AND OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT GOT TO A POINT TO WHERE THE USUAL, WEEKLY, DAILY REPAIRS HAD EXCEEDED THAT POINT TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO DO A CLOSURE AND REPAIR IT, TO BRING IT BACK TO A CONDITION FOR ATHLETIC USE.
SO WHAT ARE SOME FACTS TO DIS TO CONSIDER THE MULTI-USE FIELD IS DESIGNATED AS, AS AN ATHLETIC FIELD FOR MULTI-SPORT.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN FIELDS ARE BUILT, THEY ARE BUILT FOR SPECIFIC USE.
SO FOR THE DOG PARK, IT IS BUILT, IT'S SECURE.
UM, THE TUR THE SURFACE IS, IS OKAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HOLES.
WE WOULD PATCH THEM, BUT IT'S NOT AT THE SAME LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE NEEDED AS AN ATHLETIC FIELD.
OUR CITY CODE STATES THAT DOGS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, OUR POSSE GROUNDS PARK OPERATIONS PLAN, SPECIFICALLY OUTLINES AND DIRECT STAFF TO ENFORCE AND CALL DOG, UM, ANIMAL CONTROL FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
OUR STATE LAW HAS A LEASH LAW.
THE EXTENSIVE DAMAGE TO THE MULTI-USE FIELD IS RECURRING, AND IT IS NOT HUMAN CAUSED.
IT HAS ALSO RESULTED IN RECURRING COSTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO MAINTAIN, TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS YOUTH.
DOG WASTE IS A SANITARY AND HEALTH CONCERN FOR OUR DESIGNATED ATHLETIC FIELDS.
DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE USE IN THE USER, THE DOG PARK IS A DEDICATED DOG PARK THAT CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY OTHER USE OR USER, AND DOES NOT PROVIDE LEVEL GRASS AREA FOR THE DOGS.
RECURRING STATEMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IN OUR DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE YEARS FROM INDIVIDUALS AND RESIDENTS, IS THAT THEY DON'T USE THE DOG PARK BECAUSE IT'S ALL DIRT.
IT'S THE FACT THAT THEIR DOG IS OUT PLAYING.
NOW THEY'VE GOTTA PUT 'EM IN THEIR CAR TO HAUL 'EM HOME.
UM, IN ADDITION, IN 2020, WE HAD DONE SOME COMMUNITY
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OUTREACH AND CHARETTE FOR THE POSSE GROUNDS EVALUATION AND ALL OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT AND FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM DOG PART, DOG, OWNER PARTICIPANTS, ALL REFLECTED THAT WE NEEDED TO REMOVE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AND REPLACE WITH NATURAL GRASS.SO THAT WAS A DIRECTION THAT OUR DEPARTMENT WAS LEANING TOWARDS BECAUSE IT SUPPORTED WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH IN THE PARK WITH OUR ATHLETIC FIELDS.
LASTLY, IN, IN ADDITION TO ALL THIS, OUR LAND AND DEVELOPMENT CODE LIMITS, ANDR DISCOURAGES HOMEOWNERS FROM INSTALLING NATURAL GRASS AT THEIR HOME.
SO IF THEY CAN'T DO IT AT HOME, WHERE ELSE ARE THEY GONNA TAKE THEIR DOGS? LASTLY, IT IS A STANDARD PR PRACTICE FOR CITIES AND TOWNS TO DENY THIS TYPE OF USE ON AN ATHLETIC FIELD.
WE FOUND THAT THERE IS NO OTHER CITY OR TOWN WITH ATHLETIC FIELDS IN ARIZONA THAT WOULD ALLOW DOG USE ON AN ATHLETIC FIELD.
EXAMPLES OF OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS THAT WOULD NOT APPROVE OR AUTHORIZE OR REQUEST ARE LISTED IN YOUR PACKET.
AND ON THE SLIDE, THE REASONING PROVIDED IS BASED ON THE IMPACT AND DAMAGE TO THE FIELD.
AND LIKE I POINTED OUT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERN TO THE USERS.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I JUST WANNA SHARE AND POINT A PICTURE OUT TO YOU GUYS.
SO THEY USE THE FIELD SIX DAYS A WEEK.
THEY USE IT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FOR PRACTICES.
AND THEN SATURDAY IS GAME DAY AND THEY START AT 8:00 AM.
SO A PICTURE A WEEK WHERE IT'S NORMAL OPERATIONS, THURSDAY, WE'VE JUST CONDUCTED YPI HOUR.
WE HAD 60 PLUS DOGS ON THE FIELD.
THURSDAY, SATURDAY, WE HAVE A GREYHOUND RENTAL, WHICH USUALLY TAKE TOOK PLACE RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME.
NOW YOU HAVE KIDS COMING TO START THIRD GAME IN THE MORNING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AS A TEAM, WHAT IS THEIR NORMAL ROUTINE WHILE YOU WARM UP BEFORE A GAME? SO NOW THEY'RE LAYING IN THE GRASS STRETCHING AND DOING THEIR WARMUPS BEFORE THE GAME PLAYS.
SO NOW THEY'RE LAYING IN THAT SAME GRASS THAT DOGS HAVE JUST USED.
SO THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERN.
IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED AS SPORTS USERS.
WE HAVE FAMILIES THAT PICNIC THERE.
WE HAVE SCHOOLS WHO DO THEIR, THEIR ACTIVITIES THERE PERIODICALLY.
WE HAVE LOCAL RESIDENTS WHO JUST USE IT, WHO FOR WORKOUTS EXERCISE.
SO YOU SEE PEOPLE LAYING IN THOSE FIELDS ALL THE TIME.
SO THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERN.
SO WHAT IS OUR SOLUTION? THAT IS A DOG PARK EXPANSION.
SO THE PROPOSED EXPANSION WOULD, UM, ADD APPROXIMATELY 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE WOULD REMOVE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AND REPLACE THAT WHOLE EXISTING SECTION OF THE DOG PARK.
ALONG WITH THAT NEW PART WITH NATURAL GRASS AND IRRIGATION, WHICH WE'RE APPROXIMATING AT 20,000 AND THAT'S KIND OF A ROUGH ESTIMATE PARKING, WE WOULD ADD TWO NEW PARKING SECTIONS.
THE ONE DIRECTLY BELOW IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY EIGHT SPACES.
AND THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET WOULD BE ABOUT FIVE.
WE JUST RELINED THE CAR, PARKING ON THE PARALLEL AND WE GAINED THREE MORE SPACES.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A TOTAL OF 33 SPACES RIGHT THERE FOR THE DOG PARK.
UM, SEVERAL HAVE EXPRESSED THE CONCERN ABOUT YPI GOING AWAY.
IF THE DOG PARK IS EXPANDED, WE WOULD LIKE TO RELOCATE IT TO THE DOG PARK.
SO THAT WAY THEY'RE IN A SAFE AND SECURE LOCATION THAT IT IS BUILT FOR.
UM, OUR, OUR THOUGHT IS, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HAVE 60 PLUS RIGHT NOW, IT IS BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE ONE HOUR A WEEK TO USE THE GRASS.
SO NOW, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS EXPANSION AND ADD THE GRASS, THEY'RE GONNA GET IT FOR SEVEN DAYS A WEEK DURING PARK HOURS, DAYLIGHT HOURS TO USE AT THEIR CONVENIENCE VERSUS HAVING TO BE LIMITED TO ONE HOUR A WEEK.
SO IF FOR SOME REASON, ALL OF THOSE PARKING AREAS WERE FILLED.
THERE IS ADDITIONAL PARKING AT THE SHUTTLE PARKING ALONG WITH THE SCHOOL, OF COURSE.
AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE IN THE PICTURE THAT YOU, THE, THE WALKING SHARED USE PATH THAT WAS RECENTLY BUILT, THAT WILL TAKE THEM RIGHT DOWN INTO THE DOG PARK FUNDING IS, OH, WE WOULD PUT IN GATES FOR TIER TURF FREE GENERATION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW A PARTIAL CLOSURE OF THE PARK WHEN WE NEEDED TO.
AND THAT WAY IT WOULDN'T IMPACT DOG USERS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
THEY'D STILL HAVE A SPACE TO USE
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THIS OPTION.TWO WITH THE GATES WOULD ALLOW FOR THE OPTION TO MAKE AVAILABLE FOR THE GREYHOUNDS TO USE AND RENT.
THE PROJECT WOULD BE PERFORMED IN HOUSE BY OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM.
AND IT WOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY FOUR MONTHS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
THIS FUNDING WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR, 23, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT BUDGET.
AND WE WOULD TRANSFER FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET CAPACITY FROM THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S DELAYED DUE TO THE UTILITY RELOCATION WORK NEEDING TO BE PERFORMED PRIOR TO EXCAVATION, THE IMPACT OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $20,000 TO THE CURRENT DOG PARK BUDGET.
DID YOU WANNA TALK TO ADD ON THE CONSTRUCTION PART? CAN I BORROW THE POINTER ACTUALLY? SO JUST TO ADD A FEW ADDITIONAL POINTS ABOUT THE FIELD, GENERALLY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS DASH LINE HERE IS THE EXISTING FENCE LINE.
SO WE WOULD BE EXPANDING OUT IN THIS AREA HERE, THE TOTAL.
SO WE WOULD PUT A NEW FENCE OVER HERE SO THAT WE COULD KIND OF SQUARE OFF, OR IT'S MORE OF A RECTANGLE, BUT MAKE AN AREA FOR THE DOG FIELD.
SO IT CAN KIND OF BE SEPARATED FROM THE OTHER FLAT AREA DOWN HERE.
THAT'S GENERALLY ABOUT 250 FEET BY 80 FEET.
THE MULTI-USE FIELD AS A, AS A FRAME OF REFERENCE IS ABOUT 320 FEET BY 170 OR SO.
SO YEAH, THE NEW AREA THAT, UH, DON WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT'S 10,000 SQUARE FEET, IS THIS AREA OVER HERE.
AS SHE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE WOULD TAKE OUT THE ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT'S OVER HERE AND EXPAND THE GRASS AREA.
THIS IS JUST WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT NEW GRASS IN ALL OF THIS AREA.
WE COULD LIMIT IT JUST TO THAT NEW FIELD AREA AS WELL.
BUT THE IDEA WAS THAT WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THE FIELD, REPAIRING IT, THAT THERE WOULD STILL BE ANOTHER GRASS AREA OVER IN THE OTHER PART OF THAT, THAT LOWER PART OF THE PARK.
UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? I'M SORRY.
SO THE GRASS, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? THE GRASS IS NOT LIMITED TO THE NEW SECTION.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING IT OVER THE WHOLE PARK, THE LOWER AREA OF THE PARK.
SO A PORTION OF THE REST OF, OH, THE PORTION THAT'S CURRENTLY THE MAIN PORTION, RIGHT? EXCLUDING THE SMALL DOG AND UP THE HILL.
ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, THE DG AREA, AS WELL AS THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AREA IS WE HAVE TO SANITIZE IT AND WATER THAT DOWN PRETTY OFTEN TO KEEP IT SANITARY.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO GRADE, THERE'S KIND OF A RIDGE LINE.
I'M TRYING TO NOT HIT DON IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A RIDGE LINE THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
SO THIS WOULD BE CUT UP IN HERE, FILLED DOWN HERE.
SO WE WOULD, FOR THE MOST PART, TRY TO BALANCE THAT AREA ON SITE.
AND WE WOULD, OF COURSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, INSTALL A NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM DOWN HERE, ONE CONSIDERATION.
AND KAREN'S GONNA TALK ABOUT IT MORE IS, UH, THE SUSTAINABILITY SIDE OF THIS.
IT IS A FAIRLY BIG DEMAND FOR WATER IN ORDER TO PUT GRASS ON THIS ENTIRE AREA.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS, WELL, I'LL, I'LL LET KAREN GO INTO THAT AND I'LL, I'LL HELP OUT IF I NEED TO.
UM, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION, ANDY? YOU BET.
YOU SAID THOUGH, BEFORE THAT YOU'RE WATERING THE NON GRASSY PORTIONS CURRENTLY, UH, TO KEEP IT SANITARY, WHAT WILL WE HEAR ABOUT THE WATER USE THERE AND HOW THAT CONTRASTS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NEW WATER NEEDS, I CAN CLARIFY THAT IT, IT, IT REALLY IS A FRACTION OF WHAT WE WOULD USE FOR IRRIGATION.
IT'S WE ESTIMATE ABOUT 2000 GALLONS A WEEK, WHICH IS A LOT LESS THAN IT'S ABOUT 8,000 GALLONS A WEEK FOR, UH, IRRIGATION.
WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, PROPOSED IDEAS FOR HOW WE CAN OFFSET A PORTION OF THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT THE, THE POOL IS JUST RIGHT UP HERE.
WHEN WE BACK FLUSH THAT TYPICALLY ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR TO KEEP THE WATER FRESH AND THE
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CHEMICALS IMBALANCE, UM, WE, THE FLOW COMES OUT JUST ADJACENT TO THIS AREA UP HERE.SO WE COULD GET THAT FLOW DOWN TO AN AREA AND PUT IT IN A TANK AND BE ABLE TO IRRIGATE WITH THAT.
WE ALSO, WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, DRAIN THE POOL COULD USE THE WATER IN OTHER, OTHER PARKS, OTHER AREAS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO YOU'LL GIVE US AT SOME POINT COSTS FOR ALL OF THAT.
SO WHAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL COSTS.
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING, UH, KAREN'S THUNDER HERE.
WELL, WHY DON'T YOU FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION? AND THEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS THAT THAT'S ALL I HAD.
I, WE DID FAIL TO ALSO INCLUDE THAT ANOTHER ENTRANCE FENCE WILL BE, UM, THAT IS FOR DOG ENTRANCES, WHERE IT'S GOT THE DOUBLE GATE WILL BE, UM, ADDED TO THE SIDE AS WELL, TO ACCESS THAT OTHER, OTHER SPACE.
SO IF THE FRONT END WAS CLOSED, YOU'D STILL HAVE A SECURE ENTRY TO ACCESS THAT BACKSIDE IT'S.
IF YOU WERE TO ALLOW THE GREYHOUNDS TO USE IT, THEY'D THAT WHOEVER WOULD USE THAT SPACE WOULD HAVE THAT DOUBLE GATE KEEPING THE DOG SAFE TO ENTER INTO THAT SPACE OR EXIT NEXT WE'RE GONNA LET KAREN COVER THE SUSTAINABILITY.
AND ANDY DID COVER PART OF THIS.
I THINK I HAVE A FEW OTHER THINGS TO ADD.
UM, AS ALL OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A PROJECT THAT WAS PLANNED, IT'S NOT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
IT WAS NOT ON THE RADAR UNTIL WE, UM, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED A NEED TO DO A RESTORATION ON THE MULTI-USE FIELD.
SO THAT A COUPLE THINGS HAPPENED.
ONE, IT WAS GOING TO DISPLACE BOTH THE YY HOUR USERS, AS WELL AS THE GREYHOUNDS FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
AND AS WE REALLY STARTED TO LOOK AT THE, THE IMPACTS, THE CONFLICTS, UM, THE, THE DESIRE TO STILL ACCOMMODATE BOTH OF THOSE USER GROUPS, BUT DO SO IN A WAY THAT MIGHT SATISFY ALL THE CONFLICTING INTERESTS.
WE, OUR, OUR STAFF TEAM GOT TOGETHER.
WE BRAINSTORMED SOME IDEAS AND CAME UP WITH THIS PROJECT AND THE PROPOSAL THAT WE WOULD INSERT AT MIDYEAR, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE OUR, OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM PRIMARILY SORT OF DIVERTED, UH, TO DOING THIS PROJECT AND DO IT IN HOUSE.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT A LOT, THIS TICKS A LOT OF THE BOXES THAT OF THINGS THAT, THAT PEOPLE WERE SEEKING, AND IT WOULD BECOME A LONG TERM AMENITY.
WE'D HAVE SOME DEDICATED SPACE FOR THE DOGS.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE CONFLICT WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND TO, YOU KNOW, MY APOLOGIES TO THE COUNCIL FOR NOT HAVING COMPLETE INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET.
WHEN WE PUT THIS OUT A WEEK AGO REGARDING THE IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT, RELATIVE TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS AND OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
SO IN THE LAST WEEK, WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME INFORMATION, UM, THIS EVENING THAT WE COULD SHARE, BUT IT, IT HAS TURNED OUT TO BE A GREATER IMPACT THAN WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE RESULTING IMPACT OF USING WHAT WE ESTIMATE TO BE 3 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR TO SUSTAIN THE GRASSY AREA.
WHEN OUR SUSTAINABILITY TEAM DID THEIR FULL ANALYSIS ON THAT, THEY CANNOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED.
ANDY HAS IDENTIFIED, UH, SOME POTENTIAL THINGS.
UM, BUT EVEN IN, EVEN IF WE COULD MAKE THE REUSE OF THE POOL WATER WORK, AND RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD TAKE SOME ADDITIONAL VETTING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD DO THAT.
IT'S STILL ABOUT, I BELIEVE ABOUT 180,000 GALLONS FOR THE POOL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 3 MILLION, SO IT WOULD OFFSET POTENTIALLY SOME PORTION OF THE NEED, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA PUT A BIG DENT.
SO, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPLORE, BUT IF THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED AS PROPOSED TONIGHT, THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTE GUARANTEES THAT WE CAN MAKE A REUSE SYSTEM, A RAINWATER HARVESTING, ANYTHING ROBUST ENOUGH TO REALLY OFFSET THAT 3 MILLION GALLONS.
AND SO ONE OF THE TOPICS OF CONVERSATION THAT I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO, TO AT LEAST EXPLORE IS THE IDEA OF, OF PUTTING A DIFFERENT SURFACE DOWN AND WHAT THE PROS AND CONS ARE OF USING GRASS AND, AND AS OPPOSED TO A, A DIFFERENT EXPANSION WITH A DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
UM, SO I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT.
AND THEN TOM, UH, THANKS, SANDY.
UM, SO WHILE WE'RE ON THIS, ON THIS TOPIC, UM,
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THE, UH, ARTIFICIAL SURFACES, I MEAN, THEY'VE GOTTEN A LOT BETTER THAN THEY USED TO BE.UM, AND I KNOW THEY'RE USED IN SPORTS OFTENTIMES.
UM, IS, IS THERE ANY, I MEAN, DID YOU GET ANY IMMEDIATE, UH, THOUGHT FROM THE SUSTAINABILITY GROUP ABOUT THE TRADE OFF OF, UH, USING AN ARTIFICIAL SURFACE AGAIN, I MEAN, I'M THINKING BESIDES SUSTAINABILITY THERE'S, THERE WAS A WHOLE SLIDE OF DUG UP AREAS AND, UM, HAVING TO RECONSTRUCT THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE WITH A, A GRASS FIELD AND WITH A ARTIFICIAL SURFACE, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE A LOT LESS
SO, SO I THINK WE'LL HEAR FROM SOME OF THE USERS ABOUT KIND OF WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE.
INPUT FEEDBACK IS ON THE VARIOUS OP OPTIONS FOR MATERIALS, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND, AND I THINK ANDY CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN REGARDING THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ARTIFICIAL TURF IS THE FACT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SANITIZED DISINFECTED VERY REGULARLY.
AND ANDY, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT THAT ENTAILS? SO TYPICALLY THEY'LL SPRAY DOWN THE AREA WITH, UH, CHLORINE TYPE, YOU KNOW, DISINFECTION KIND OF MIXTURE.
UM, AND THEN THEY'LL COME IN AND, AND WASH THE AREA DOWN AS WELL PERIODICALLY.
SO THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, SOME WATER USE FOR THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOWHERE NEAR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO IRRIGATE, YOU KNOW, GRASS IS THERE AND, AND THERE IS SOME WATER USE EVEN ON A DIRT FIELD, RIGHT.
FOR KEEPING DUST DOWN AND YEAH.
DUST CONTROL AND THAT KIND OF THING.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THOSE TRADE OFFS.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF SINCE YOU'VE RAISED IT? IT'S NOT MY MEAT
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ARTIFICIAL TURF GETS BURNING HOT.
UM, IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE FROM THE RESEARCH WE LOOKED INTO THAT THAT IS ACCURATE? THE OTHER THING IS THE UPFRONT COST IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER BY ABOUT 10 TIMES THE AMOUNT.
ARE YOU THROUGH JT? UH, PROBABLY NOT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MY QUESTION ON THAT PARTICULAR THING SO WE CAN GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
THAT'S FINE, TOM, GO AHEAD, MAN.
MAYOR, UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
YOU SURE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 8,200 GALLONS ROUGHLY A DAY
RIGHT? UH, THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE ON THE DIVISION OF THE, THE PLAN IS THERE A FENCE THAT WILL BE BETWEEN THE NEW 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND THE OTHER WITH A GATE SOMEWHERE SO THAT IF THAT IS RENTED OUT, OTHER DOGS CAN STILL USE THE DOG PARK WITHOUT BEING EXCLUDED.
SO THE FENCE WOULD BE BETWEEN THE 20,000 SQUARE FOOT AREA.
SO, SO THIS DASH LINE INDICATES WHERE THE, THE NEW 10,000 SQUARE FEET IS THE NEW FENCE THOUGH, WOULD EXTEND DOWN TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE, SO THAT YOU GAIN KIND OF THIS RECTANGULAR AREA HERE.
SO THE BLUE DOESN'T DESIGNATE THE NEW AREA, JUST FOR RENTAL FOR THE GREYHOUNDS.
THAT'S THE EXPANDED AREA TO THE PARK.
SO THE GREYHOUNDS WOULD'VE ACCESS TO HALF THE PARK, ROUGHLY, UH, THE, OR ACTUALLY IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THAT LOWER AREA AT THAT POINT.
CAUSE THE, THE FENCE WOULD BE OVER IN THIS AREA HERE.
I THINK ANDY PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE PARK, AS IT EXISTS NOW IS SEPARATED INTO THREE AREAS.
AND ONLY ONE OF THE AREAS IS THE COMMON DOG AREA OR THE BIG AREA WHERE THEY PLAY.
SO THAT WHOLE EXISTING PARK IS NOT REALLY ALL.
IT'S ALL CRUSHED GRANITE RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT FOR IT'S THE, IT'S ALL CROSS GRA EXCEPT FOR ALL FRUSTRA, EXCEPT FOR THE ASTROTURF FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FAKE MATERIAL.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THE EXISTING PARK IS NOT THAT WHOLE EXISTING PARK AREA IS NOT ACTUALLY THE PLAY AREA FOR THE DOG PARK FOR THE GENERAL DOG PARK.
THERE'S A LARGE DARK DOG AREA IN A SMALL DARK, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE GENERAL AREA.
AND THE GENERAL AREA RIGHT NOW IS OPEN TO ALL DOGS THAT WANT TO BE IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA COMPRESS IT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
UH, UH, I WOULD, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ARTIFICIAL TURF SECTION THAT SARAH
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COULD EVEN HOUSE 60 DOGS JUST STANDING NEXT TO EACH OTHER, NOT THE ARTIFICIAL.IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE DOG PARK, IT'S A PRETTY SMALL SPACE.
SO THE, THE IDEA WOULD BE THE YI HOUR COULD BE ON THE NEW FIELD, WHICH WOULD BE THAT ON THE DOG PARK, THEY WOULD JUST TAKE PLACE IN THE DOG PARK.
WE WOULDN'T CONFINE IT TO ONE AREA.
IT WOULD BE THURSDAYS EIGHT TO NINE DOG PARK IS YY HOUR.
SO WE WOULD ADVERTISE THAT TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THAT WAY THEY KNOW IF THEY SHOW UP ON THURSDAYS, YPI HOURS IS TAKING PLACE.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WE WOULD BE CONFINED TO ONE AREA.
THE DOG PARK WOULD JUST BE AT THE HOUR, BUT WHEN IT'S RENTED BY THE GREYHOUND GROUP, AS IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE, IT WOULD HAVE THREE FORCE OF THE PARK DEDICATED TO ITSELF.
SO FOR FIVE TO 10 DOGS, WE'RE GIVING THEM THREE QUARTERS OF THE PARK FOR THE UNLIMITED NUMBER OF DOGS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT'S 60 TO 90 DOGS.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE, I UNDERSTAND THEY NEED A CERTAIN AREA TO RUN AND GET UP TO SPEED.
BUT SO THE, THE, UM, I'M SORRY, THE GREYHOUND EVENT IS ONLY ONE HOUR A WEEK, RIGHT? YES.
SO THAT FOR TWO DAYS, FOR TWO DAYS, FOR TWO DAYS.
SO THE OVERLAP SHOULDN'T, AND, AND THAT IS THE ONLY, THERE'S NO PLAN FOR THE SEDONA ALLIGATOR'S ASSOCIATION TO BE ABLE TO RENT AND USE THAT SPACE FOR THEMSELVES EITHER.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING THE GATE WOULD BE THERE.
SO THE SOME PORTION WOULD ALWAYS BE DEDICATED AND OPEN TO THE OTHER DOGS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S RENTED OR NOT.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THERE'S NO NATURAL GRASS IN THE PARK RIGHT NOW AT ALL.
OTHER THAN WHAT'S GROWING ON ITS OWN SOMEWHERE IN SOME, THERE, THERE WOULD ALSO BE THE UPPER AREA, OF COURSE.
NOW THAT'LL BE NATURAL, BUT I'M LOOKING AT JUST A JOURNAL AREA FOR ALL DOGS.
THAT WOULD ALL BE GRASS BASICALLY IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING POTENTIALLY.
YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT TURF REAL TURF IN THAT WHOLE SECTION TAKE OUT THE ASTRO TURF.
THE MAJORITY OF IT WOULD BE, YEAH, RIGHT THERE, THERE IS KIND OF A LITTLE STRIP HERE.
THAT'S STILL SHOWN AS DG, BUT, OR I'M SORRY.
AND WE WERE CONCERNED WITH FINES OR, UH, ABOUT VIOLATIONS OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET OFF ON TIME.
AND DON'T, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT AREN'T BEING ADHERED TO WHEN IT'S RENTED
DO WE NOT REQUIRE EVERY OTHER GROUP THAT RENTS THE REC CENTER OR THE HUB OR WHATEVER TO PROVIDE INSURANCE? YES.
IS THERE A REASON WHY WE WANT TO BEAR THAT RISK? SO PARTICULARLY WITH DOGS THAT MIGHT ATTACK SOMEBODY, SO THE DOG PARK IS BUILT FOR DOG USE, WHICH THEN DOES NOT RE WHERE WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE US INSURANCE.
THE CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW IS THEY'RE USING AN ATHLETIC FIELD THAT IS NOT BUILT FOR DOG USE, WHICH THE LEVEL OF RISK IS THEN ESCALATED.
AND SO THEREFORE, USUALLY YOU WOULD ASK FOR A CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE, A TRADITIONAL INSURED.
SO RIGHT NOW, NO OWNERS THAT USE THE DOG PARK ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ANY KIND INSURANCE, CORRECT.
BECAUSE IT IS A DOG PARK AND WE ARE PROTECTED BY THE STATE LAW, WHICH KIRK COULD CHIME IN ON THAT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT.
BUT, AND, AND I SEE THE WISDOM OF MOVING TO ONE LOCATION, BUT I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO USE THE ATHLETIC FIELD AS YOU'VE ALREADY POINTED OUT, BUT THIS WILL GIVE US AN AMENITY TO DIRECT THEM TO, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE CHALLENGE.
THEY'RE LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PLACE TO TAKE OUR DOG.
AND SO WHAT WE WOULD PLAN TO DO IS ONCE IT WAS BUILT, WE WOULD START WITH STRONG ENFORCEMENT.
SO THAT WAY WE DISCOURAGE USE ON THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND ENFORCE IT.
AND THEN THEY, THEY HAVE A LOCATION TO TAKE THEIR DOG TO WHERE NOW THEY DON'T, BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T EXCUSE VIOLATIONS.
SO I, I I'M, I'M WHAT IS THE FINE RIGHT NOW, IF WE DECIDE TO ENFORCE IT, IF ANY, IF YOU'RE ON THE ATHLETIC FIELD OUTSIDE OF A TIME OR NOT CONTROLLED BY THE FINE, BY THE YET THE HOUR.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THEN THERE'S NO SET FINE.
IT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE JUDGE IF WE WERE TO ISSUE A CITATION, BUT TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE, ONE IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THIS SORT OF MISUNDERSTANDING.
WE'VE USED IT MORE AS AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY.
EVEN IF ANIMAL CONTROL GOES OUT, IT'S A WARNING, IT'S AN ADVISEMENT.
WE HAVEN'T ISSUED ANY CITATIONS.
I THINK THAT IF WE HAD THIS AMENITY, IF WE, IF WE WERE STILL HAVING ISSUES, THEN IT COULD POTENTIALLY GET TO THAT POINT.
IN WHICH CASE, THEN THE JUDGE WOULD DECIDE ON A FINE IF IT WAS ADJUDICATED AND, AND FOUND THAT IT WAS AN, A VIOLATION.
SO NO CITATIONS AT ALL HAVE BEEN NOPE.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME.
UM, THE MULTI-USE FIELD ONCE, IF THIS PROPOSAL IS AGREED TO, BY, BY, UH, COUNCIL, HOW WILL YOU KEEP, UH,
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LIVE ANIMALS OFF THE FIELD DURING NIGHT TIMES WE HAVE ALINA, WE HAVE DEER, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GATES.I KNOW, BUT SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THEY'VE SEEN ANIMALS ON THE FIELD.
SO ARE WE, I WANNA BE SURE THAT ONCE THE DOGS ARE REMOVED TO A BETTER LOCATION, THAT WE, OUR FIELDS WILL BE PRISTINE FOR THE ATHLETIC, UH, UH, THE ATHLETES THAT USE IT.
SO WHAT'S THE PROPOSAL FOR THAT, OR IT'S FINE AS IT IS.
WELL, I, I THINK WHAT WE'VE KIND OF IMPLIED IS AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT ENFORCEMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, TODAY WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN'T, BUT AT THAT POINT, OUR STAFF WOULD BE NOTING VIOLATIONS AND REPORTING THEM AND REPORTING THAT TO ENFORCEMENT, BUT WILD ANIMALS TOO.
BUT, AND, YOU KNOW, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME UP AT YPI HOUR AND I, FOR YEARS.
AND IN, IN MY, UH, TIMES ON THE FIELD, PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THEY SEE PEOPLE WALKING WITH THEIR DOGS ON THE FIELD, MULTI-USE FIELD FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO THERE WILL BE METHODS IN PLACE.
UH, THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER, UH, ROCK WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION IF NECESSARY FOR, UH, TO KEEP THE FIELDS CLEAN.
AND WE WOULD ONCE THE, IF THIS IS APPROVED AND IMPLEMENTED, WE WOULD DO A CAMPAIGN SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IN 2015, WITH THE LEASH LAW, WHERE WE WOULD PUT EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE PARK AND AROUND, UM, BASICALLY DURING ENFORCEMENT GET PD INVOLVED AND, AND MORE ACTIVE IN HELPING WITH THAT.
UM, AND, AND REALLY HELPING EDUCATE AND MOVE THEM TO THE DOG.
I MEAN, THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ANY RESIDENTS BRING THEIR DOG ONTO THE MULTI-USE FIELD WHEN JUST DOWN THE ROAD SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
UM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE SUN UP TO SUNDOWN THAT THERE'LL BE A REALLY NICE FIELD FOR THEM TO USE.
ANY WORDS OF WISDOM FROM ANDY? I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS FOR THE OTHER CITIES THAT YOU CANVASED FOR DOG PARKS AND, OR MULTI-USE FIELD THAT YOU HAD ON THE SCREEN OF THE ONES THAT HAVE DEDICATED DOG PARKS, WHAT DO THEY USE FOR THE SURFACE? CAUSE THAT HAS ME A CONCERNED, UM, A LOT OF 'EM USE GRASS, NATURAL TURF.
UM, SO I'M USED ARTIFICIAL TURF.
UM, BUT RECENTLY CITY OF APACHE JUNCTION JUST PUT IN A MAJOR DOG PARK AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S ALL NATURAL GRASS.
I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY 10 OF OUR DOG PARKS.
AND WHAT DO THEY IN THE THEY, UH, IRRIGATED, I GUESS SO, YEAH, I WISH I WOULD'VE KNOWN THIS ABOUT FOR THE LEAGUE CONFERENCE.
I COULD HAVE ASKED, BUT YOU KNOW, CITY OF COTTONWOOD, OUR NEIGHBOR, THEY HAVE A DOG PARK IT'S NATURAL TURF.
UM, I, I SPOKE WITH JACK AND GOT SOME INFORMATION ON THEIR MAINTENANCE ROUTINE.
WHAT'S INTERESTING IS IF YOU DO A GOOGLE IMAGE OF THEIR DOG PARK, YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE OF THE UPKEEP OF A DOG PARK VERSUS AN ATHLETIC FIELD AND THE, THE GRASS SURFACE.
UM, BUT HE SAID THAT THEY JUST PATCH IT AND REPAIR IT ALONG THE WAY.
AND IT'S NOT AT THE SAME LEVEL AS AN ATHLETIC FIELD.
AND MR. VICE S TO JUMP IN, UM, CITY OF FLAGSTAFF HAS TWO DOG PARKS IN BOTH OF THEM ARE, ARE DIRT.
AND THEN, UM, MY HAND UP, LET ME SEE HERE.
SO, AND I AM CORRECT THAT OTHER THAN DESIGNATED TIMES FOR YY HOUR AND THE GREYHOUNDS AS PROPOSED THE FIELD WILL BE OPEN TO ANYBODY TO USE.
SO IF GREYHOUNDS WANTED TO COME ON IN A NON-AUTHORIZED TIME, THEY COULD DO THAT, BUT AT THEIR OWN RISK.
WELL, BUT THERE, WAIT A MINUTE.
WOULD THERE BE A DESIGNATED YY HOUR? YES, LET'S GO.
THERE WOULD BE, IT WOULD STILL BE THURSDAYS.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT COMMENTS I'VE GOT DURING THE COMMENT PERIOD ABOUT THAT.
I GET GREAT JOY OUT OF WATCHING THE DOGS PLAY, WHETHER IT'S YY HOUR OR THE GREYHOUNDS.
UM, A SIMILAR JOY TO, I GET FROM WATCHING THE KIDS PLAY AT SPLASH PAD AT SUNSET PARK.
ALL OF THESE USES, THESE ARE ALL SEGMENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER YOU'RE A SOFTBALL PLAYER OR A, OR A, UM, YOU KNOW, HIKER OR A DISC GOLFER OR A DOG PERSON, WHATEVER IT IS.
I THINK THESE ARE ALL USES THAT BELONG HERE.
AND I'M GLAD TO SEE US GETTING TO A PLACE TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE THAT'S GOING TO ACCOMMODATE.
SO MY QUESTIONS WITH THAT ARE, UM, THE TURF, THE ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY IN THE EXISTING PORTION OF THE DOG PARK.
HOW IS THAT RECEIVED AND USED? DO WE HAVE FEEDBACK ON THAT DAWN? AND WHAT IS YOUR MAINTENANCE
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EXPERIENCE WITH THAT? ANDY? THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM YPI HOUR PARTICIPANTS AND, AND RESIDENTS IS THAT THEY DON'T USE THE DOG PARK BECAUSE OF THE DIRT AND THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.AND THAT'S THE FEEDBACK WE GOT IN OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH AS WELL IN 2020.
IS THAT, DO YOU THINK, IS THAT, UM, A SIZE RELATED QUESTION BECAUSE THE, THE TURF PART IS NOT BIG ENOUGH OR IS IT BECAUSE OF THE, UM, SUBSTANCE ITSELF? I BELIEVE IT'S THE SUBSTANCE ITSELF.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, I DON'T KNOW THIS AT ALL.
I'M ASKING THIS BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT POSSIBILITIES THERE ARE OUT THERE IN TERMS OF OTHER SURFACES.
I, I DO KNOW THAT I HAVE AN INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GOES FORWARD TO ACCOMMODATE THESE NEEDS.
UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THE FINAL SURFACE ENOUGH INFORMATION TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THAT END OF IT, BECAUSE AREN'T THERE LESS WATER INTENSIVE GRASSES, LIKE A CRAB GRASS OR SOMETHING.
AGAIN, I AM, YOU KNOW, I'M CITY KID.
I'M NOT
WE, WE TRIED TO DO SOME QUICK RESEARCH AND, YOU KNOW, THE HARDY GRASS THAT WE THINK WOULD HOLD UP, WE REALLY DIDN'T FIND A GOOD VERSION THAT WOULD GET US ANY KIND OF BENEFIT WITH REDUCED WATER.
IF YOU WENT TO SOMETHING LESS HARDY, UM, OF COURSE YOU MIGHT GET THAT BENEFIT, BUT WE FELT LIKE IT JUST WOULDN'T HOLD UP.
SO AT THAT POINT, MAYBE WE'RE BETTER OFF WITH DIRT, BUT WHEN YOU SAY DIRT, ARE YOU THINKING DIRT AS IN DIRT, THAT WOULD BE OF THE QUALITY THAT OF A GARDEN OR A DIRT THAT'S REALLY JUST A CRUSHED GRAVEL.
CAN YOU BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT? UM, YOU PROBABLY WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HOLD UP A LITTLE BETTER.
SO YEAH, YOU PROBABLY WOULD WANT MORE OF LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A CRUSHED GRANITE KIND OF, KIND OF A MATERIAL.
I MEAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY PUT MORE TIME INTO RESEARCHING THAT IF THAT'S THE DESIRE.
UM, WE TRIED TO DO A QUICK LOOK AT THAT AND WE DIDN'T QUICKLY FIND ANY KIND OF BENEFIT OF ANOTHER SURFACE THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE THE, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, REASON PEOPLE WANNA USE YY HOUR AND REASON THE GREYHOUNDS WANT THE FIELD IS BECAUSE IT IS, THERE IS SOMETHING MORE NATURAL THERE.
AND SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT, THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER ALTERNATIVES EXIST, BECAUSE I THINK THAT A, A GRANITE MAY NOT FILL THE NEED.
AND I WANT SOMETHING, AS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE OF, YES.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE OF, OF MEETING THE NEEDS OF SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO EMBARK ON, I WANNA EMBARK ON A PROJECT BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE AN EXPANSION HAPPEN.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING ALL OVER, BUT I DON'T WANNA EMBARK ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO NOT BE FILL THE NEED IN TERMS OF THE SURFACE MATERIAL.
SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M TURNING TO OUR EXPERTS FOR SOME GUIDANCE AND SOME HELP HERE, BUT TO GET US TO SOMETHING THAT CAN BE RELATIVE TO WHAT IT IS THAT'S BEING SOUGHT A GRASS SURFACE, A, A DIRT SURFACE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE EXPRESS NEED IS FOR.
SO I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET THERE.
SO HOW, WHAT OTHER IDEAS ARE THERE? WELL, AND THAT'S THE STRUGGLE THAT WE HAD TOO, IS THAT IF WE LOOK AT DIRT OR DG OR SOMETHING, OTHER THAN GRASS, WHAT WE WERE ALWAYS GOING BACK TO IS, BUT THE DRAW HAS BEEN TO OUR ATHLETIC FIELDS, WHICH ARE GRASS.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO INITIALLY LOOK FOR A GRASS THAT WOULD BE A LOW WATER TYPE, AND WE JUST DIDN'T FIND A GOOD ALTERNATIVE FOR THAT.
AND I HAVE ONE MORE, UH, QUESTION ABOUT YOUR IDEA OF THE POOL AND UTILIZING THE WATER THERE.
SO YOU SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR THAT WOULD FILL, I THINK ROUGHLY 20% OF THE NEED THAT WOULD OFFSET THE, BY USING THE POOL WATER.
SO WE WERE LOOKING AT, IF WE'RE BACK FLUSHING TWICE A YEAR, WE'RE SOMEWHERE AROUND 360,000 GALLONS A YEAR AND WE'RE AT LIKE, SO, SO IT'S MORE LIKE 10%, 10% CAUSE IT'S 3 MILLION.
AND WOULD YOU, THE TANKS THAT YOU DID, UM, FOR THE POOL TO HOLD THE POOL WATER, WOULD THOSE ALSO BE ABLE TO ACT AS RETENTION TANKS FOR RAINWATER? WE COULD LOOK AT THAT.
LIKE WE REFERENCED THE PARKING LOT ABOVE EARLIER.
IF WE DID GO THAT ROUTE, OF COURSE WE GOTTA FILTER THAT
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WATER AT THAT POINT.THE OTHER THING, I MEAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY PUT AN EFFORT TOWARDS TRYING TO REUSE THAT POOL WATER.
IF IT DIDN'T GO ON THE FIELD, WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, APPLYING IT TO OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR, YOU KNOW, DUST, DUST, PALLIATIVE, AND IN THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME USE WE HAVE THERE.
AND I DO WANT TO MENTION THOUGH THAT TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO WITH THAT, THAT WATER IS WE PUT IT INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM, WHICH ENDS UP BEING REUSED THROUGH OUR, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S EVO TRA UH, TRANSPIRATION OR, UM, THE INJECTION PROCESS OUT THERE.
THERE'S SEVERAL PROCESSES THAT, THAT WE USE FOR REUSE OUT THERE, IRRIGATION MM-HMM
UM, SO ANYWAY, IF I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THEM MISPERCEPTION THAT WE DON'T PUT ANY SORT OF REUSE TO IT TODAY, BUT MM-HMM,
UM, BUT I THINK TO CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION, COUNSELOR CANELLA, THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 10% OF WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE NEW DEMAND TO BE.
AND, UM, SO, SO IF, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS, BUT WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANY ALTERNATIVE WHERE WE COULD MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT IT WOULD EITHER BY REUSING WATER IN SOME OTHER WAY, OR FINDING AN ALTERNATIVE GRASSY SURFACE THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE AS MUCH WATER.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO IN THE INTEREST OF FULL TRANSPARENCY AROUND WHAT THAT MEANS IN RELATION TO OUR CAP AND OUR CLIMATE ACTION, UH, PLAN SUSTAINABILITY GOALS, I THINK WE JUST WANNA BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR WITH, AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE COMPETING PRIORITIES.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT IS, IS THIS DECISION VERSUS THAT DECISION OR IS THERE SOME COMBINATION THERE OF, AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ALICIA, UM, SHE SHE'S HERE.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME, UH, MAYBE SUSTAINABILITY QUESTIONS.
SO SHE'S HERE TO ANSWER THOSE.
IF, IF COUNCIL HAS THOSE AND WE HAVE OTHER, THE ATHLETIC FIELD AND THE MULTI-USE FIELD AND THE GRASS AT SUNSET PARK AND THE SPLASH PAD OF SUNSET PARK AND THE POOL AND EVERYTHING, I MEAN, WE HAVE LEGITIMATE HIGH WATER USES THAT WE APPROVE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, HOW WOULD THIS COMPARE TO THOSE OTHER HIGH WATER USES? IS IT IN THE SAME, NO PUN INTENDED BALLPARK OR IS IT, UM, IS IT HIGHER? IS IT LESS, I MEAN, IN TERMS OF THE ATHLETIC FIELD, LET'S JUST START WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELD AND THE MULTI-USE FIELD.
SO ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT WHAT LEVEL OF USE WE HAVE FOR EACH I'M ASKING HOW THE WATER, OH, COULD I CONSUMPTION, WOULD COMPARE, COULD I SUGGEST THAT WE JUST ASKED WHAT THE TOTAL USAGE IS FOR THE PARK PARKS AROUND MEAN? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
I, I DON'T, WE HAD, WE HAD PULLED SOME NUMBERS AND, AND ANDY, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF YOU THINK I MIGHT BE WRONG WITH THOSE, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAD LOOKED AT, UM, PREVIOUSLY IS THAT THE FOUR OTHER FIELDS OF THE THREE AT POSSE GROUNDS AND THE ONE AT SUNSET ARE ABOUT 135,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL.
SO COMPARATIVELY, THIS IS 20,000 SQUARE FEET VERSUS 135,000, JUST FOR THE VARIOUS GRASSY FIELDS THAT GIVES YOU SOME, YOU KNOW, RELATION PERCENTAGE THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.
JUST TO CLARIFY AND MAKE WHAT I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, WHATEVER WE CURRENTLY SPEND ON HOW MUCH WATER USE AND WHATEVER WE DO WITH RECLAIMED WATER, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL 3 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER, AN ADDITIONAL, SO WHEREVER WE GET IT FROM, WE'RE BASICALLY, IF WE GET IT FROM THE POOL, WE'RE TAKING IT AWAY FROM REUSING SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REUSE THAT WATER.
SO I THINK THAT THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THAT'S A VALID USE OR NOT IS A PERFECTLY, IS A LEGITIMATE ONE, AND THAT'S THE, THE DECISION WE'LL BE MAKING, BUT IT IS AN ADDITIONAL 3 MILLION GALLONS.
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SO MY QUESTIONS ARE I RIGHT NOW, THE ATHLETIC FIELD IS CLOSED FOR YPI HOUR FOR CERTAIN WEATHER CONDITIONS, CORRECT.NOW WOULD THE GRASSY AREAS OF THE PARK BE CLOSED, UM, FOR WEATHER CONDITIONS, IF OF, OF THE DOG PARK, IF IT, IF IT BECAME SO WET THAT IT WOULD MAKE IT UNSAFE FOR THEM TO USE, WE WOULD CLOSE IT.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, DO YOU EVER HAVE TO CLOSE IT FOR THE DIRT? FOR THE WHATEVER PARTICULATE? OKAY.
SO THAT'S A, I THINK A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF, OF, OF, OF WHAT, OF WHAT I WOULD DECIDE TO DO RIGHT NOW, IT'S OPEN BECAUSE IT CAN BE USED IN, IN ANY WEATHER.
AND, AND WHEN WE DO THE CLOSURE OF THE MULTI-USE FIELD, BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE THAT WE'RE AFRAID OF, THAT'S GONNA BE CAUSED FOR THE USER, THE USER, THE END USER, WHO IS THE ATHLETE OR PEOPLE ARE RESIDENTS VERSUS DOGS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT GETS CLOSED FOR HAPPY HOUR WHEN IT'S.
SO YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, THAT BRINGS INTO MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS, AND IT'S BASED ON, I FORGOT ONE OF YOU SAID THIS, SO I TAKE FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DOG PARK GRASS WOULD NOT BE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE ATHLETIC FIELD GRASS.
I, I WILL TELL YOU JUST ANECDOTALLY, THE COTTONWOOD DOG PARK HAS GRASS
SO WHEN, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GRASS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, UM, IT'S A PREFERABLE SURFACE, THE PREFERABLE SURFACE OF THE ATHLETIC FIELD, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S KEPT TO A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL, SO THAT IF IN FACT WE PUT GRASS IN HERE, I THINK IT MAKES NO SENSE TO NOT MAINTAIN IT AT THAT LEVEL, IF, IF WE'RE TRYING TO MEET EXPECTATIONS.
SO AN ADDITIONAL, AN ADDITIONAL WRINKLE IN THE GRASS IS NOT GRASS IS OFF.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT GRASS IS OFTEN NOT USED IN DOG PARKS BECAUSE IT, IT FAIRLY RE FAIRLY SOON BECOMES JUST A HOT MESS OF MUD AND DIRT AND WATER COLLECTS AND THEY DIG HOLES AND THEN THE WATER COLLECTS IN THE HOLES.
SO I THINK THAT MAINTENANCE IS A BIG ISSUE.
IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT, ONE THING I KIND OF WANTED TO THROW OUT TO HELP WITH THE WHOLE WATER FLOW, UM, CONSIDERATION IS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I KNOW OUR PLANT IS, IS, UH, DESIGNED FOR A, A CAPACITY OF 2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
AND, UM, I THINK OUR AVERAGE FLOW IS SOMEWHERE AROUND A MILLION, SOMETHING GALLONS PER DAY.
AND THEN OUR INJECTION RATE INTO THE AQUIFER.
I'M TRYING TO GET A CLARIFICATION ON THIS.
I WANT TO SAY IT'S A COUPLE MILLION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RATE IS EXACTLY, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A FRACTION OF WHAT WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING BACK INTO THE AQUIFER.
SO, SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE COULD USE THE WATER FROM THE, THE EFFLUENT, UM, HAUL IT BACK UP OR BRING IT BACK UP AND USE IT TO WATER? EVERYTHING.
ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR FIELDS AND DOG FIELDS AND EVERYTHING HAULING WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE.
I KNOW THE CITY TRIED TO DEVELOP A REUSE PLAN IN THE PAST.
THEY ACTUALLY, THE CITY BUILT AN AFFLUENT, UH, RECLAIM LINE BACK TO THE CITY, BUT THEY NEVER INSTALLED THE INJECTION, UM, LIFT STATIONS, I SHOULD SAY, UM, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PRESSURIZE THAT BACK TO THE CITY.
SO IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE THEORETICALLY, AFTER SOME MASSIVE CAPITAL PROJECT OF SORTS TO, TO WATER ALL OF OUR ATHLETIC FIELDS IN ALL.
BUT THAT'S WHY IT WAS IN BANNON.
I'M SURE IT WOULD BE ENORMOUSLY EXPENSIVE.
SO YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT I WONDERED WHY YOU TALK ABOUT THE AFFLUENT THEN.
SO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE OFFSET OF, UM,
SO ROXANNE SAYS WE CAN INJECT UP TO 360,000
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GALLONS A DAY.SO, AND WHAT DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE EXTRA WATER THAT YOU'RE USING ON THE FIELD ISS OFFSET BY WHAT WE'RE PUTTING BACK INTO THE AQUIFER? UH, WELL, ALBEIT WE'RE DOING THAT REGARDLESS.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE NET THERE WOULD BE A NET WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY ABLE TO PUT ALL THE WATER BACK INTO THE AQUIFER, OR AS MUCH AS WE, AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
IS SOME OF THE WATER FROM THE, THE WATERING OF THE FIELDS ALREADY GOING BACK INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM, THE WATERING OF THE FIELDS MM-HMM
CAN I JUST TAKE ON JUST TO ONE THING THAT I, I WANT, I HAD TOM WAITING IN LINE HERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT YY HOUR HERE, KEEP COMING BACK, BUT I'M ASSUMING YY HOUR GOES AWAY.
IF THIS GRASSFIELD IS IN PLACE BECAUSE IT'S IN EFFECT REPLACING YY HOUR.
NO, WE WOULD CONTINUE IT, BUT HOLD IT AT THE DOG PARK, WE WOULD MOVE IT TO THE DOG PARK.
WHY IS THERE A NEED FOR HAPPY HOUR? IF EVERYBODY CAN GO THERE AND BE ON GRASS? WELL, IT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2015 AND IT IS ALSO A SOCIAL HOUR FOR THE DOG OWNERS ALSO.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN FRIENDSHIPS BUILT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THAT ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE AS IT IS.
I MEAN, IT IS A COMMUNITY EVENT AND A COMMUNITY GATHERING.
SO FOR SOCIAL HEALTH, IT ISN'T A BAD THING TO KEEP DOING IF WE CAN DO, IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO IT AND DO IT SAFELY IN, IN A DESIGNATED SPACE THAT'S MADE FOR THE DOGS.
IT, WHY NOT, IF IT, IF THERE'S A NEED AND THEY'VE ALL EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT LOSING THE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM.
SO I'M ADDING 10,000 MORE GRASSES AREA AND PUTTING GRASS DOWN EVERYWHERE.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOCIALIZATION FOR HUMANS RATHER THAN DOGS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RELATED TO THE PROGRAM? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAM IN GENERAL.
SO THIS DOG PARK EXPANSION IS NOT BEING DONE FOR THE, THE PROGRAM IT'S BEING DONE FOR THE RESIDENTS AT LARGE.
I, I, I WILL TELL YOU THE VIOLATIONS ON THE FIELD.
I AM, I AM 95% SURE THAT THE, THAT THEY'RE NOT YET BE OUR PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE SO STRONG AND SUPPORTIVE OF OUR EVENT.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM THAT THROUGH THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE USUAL USERS, I REACHED OUT AND ASKED THEM TO BE AMBASSADORS FOR THE PROGRAM AND AMBASSADORS FOR THE PARK TO HELP EDUCATE OTHER DOG OWNERS.
SO THAT WAY IT WASN'T JUST STAFF TRYING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
AND WE HAD SEVERAL YPI HOUR PARTICIPANTS WHO IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT AND THEY WERE, THEY'RE JUST AS ANGRY ABOUT VIOLATORS AT TIMES AS WE ARE, BECAUSE IT, YEAH, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE VIOLATORS BY THEM ONCE THE FIELD IS BUILT, BECAUSE THAT SHOULD GO AWAY.
AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO YY HOUR.
I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO STILL GO WITH THE SAME HOUR AND SOCIALIZE
THEY WON'T BE GOING TO HAPPY HOUR ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY CAN GO AT THEIR OWN LEISURE.
SO, BUT ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THOUGH THAT THE DAMAGE THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING IS NOT HAPPENING DURING YPI HOUR? YES.
SO IT'S HAPPENING FROM VIOLATORS.
IT'S HAPPENING ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.
I CAN'T KNOW IT'S HAPPENING FROM Y HOUR TWO.
BECAUSE IF IT, IF IT WAS ALL VIOLATORS, NO, I'M JUST SAYING AS FAR AS OUTSIDE USE OF THE PROGRAM, IT'S JUST EXASPERATES THE WHOLE SITUATION.
I'M, I'M, I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR FROM THE, THE PUBLIC HERE TOO, BUT I WANTED TO ASK ONE PROCEDURAL QUESTION, WHICH IS, UM, THERE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THIS THAT REALLY FEELS LIKE A WORK SESSION RATHER THAN A DECISION SESSION.
UM, AND I WA I WAS WONDERING, IS THERE A REASON WHY THIS WAS BROUGHT TODAY AS OPPOSED TO, UM, I MEAN, IS THERE URGENCY, LET ME JUST ASK, IS THERE URGENCY ABOUT THIS? YEAH.
I THINK THE REASON THAT IT WAS BROUGHT AND THE URGENCY IS THAT WE, THE, THE RESTORATION OF THE MULTI-USE FIELD HAS OCCURRED, BUT RIGHT NOW, WHILE YPI HOUR IS BEING TEMPORARILY ACCOMMODATED ON THE LOWER SOFTBALL FIELD, WE DO NOT HAVE AN ACCOMMODATION RIGHT NOW FOR THE GREYHOUNDS.
SO THERE'S A, MM-HMM,
WE, WE REALLY DO WANNA MAKE THE DECISION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
I, I UNDERSTAND NOW, SO, UM, I GUESS I'M, I'LL BE GETTING INTO COMMENTS
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LET'S CLEAR FROM I'M READY FOR YOUR, OKAY.SCOTT HAD ONE MORE, YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR ANDY.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UH, EFFLUENT, UH, AND THE WATER COMES FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT REALLY ISN'T GOOD FOR GRASS ANYWAY, UNTIL IT MEETS THE, THE NEXT STEP, WHICH WE DON'T DO IT DOESN'T KILL.
IS THAT WRONG? UH, OUR, OUR, UH, AFFLUENT IS TREATED TO A PLUS QUALITY.
BUT I THOUGHT IT, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR GRASS.
IT'LL BURN GRASS, BUT IT'S OKAY FOR THE JUNIPER TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT OUT BY THE, THE DELLS.
NO, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE FINE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE CARDS NOW.
I HAVE 10, UH, SO, UH, THREE MINUTES A PIECE.
WHEN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE OR PLACE OF RESIDENCE.
AND, UM, THE, THE LIGHT IS OVER ON THE BAR THERE TO THE RIGHT.
SO THE FIRST SPEAKER IS LINDA BRECKER TO BE FOLLOWED BY JACK AND VAUGHN.
IF YOU WANNA LINE UP, I'M LINDA BRECHER.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ON YOUR TIP.
I LIVE ON KINA DRIVE AND I'M A FAN OF HAPPY HOUR, AND I FEEL THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, ALL OF THE DOGS, IT'S JUST PURE HAPPINESS, UM, IS THE SOCIALIZATION OF THE LOCALS.
AND IT'S MOSTLY LOCAL PEOPLE FROM SEDONA THAT ARE THERE, THE 60 OF US EVERY WEEK THAT WE HAVE FORMED SO MANY RELATIONSHIPS AND MADE MANY NEW FRIENDS COMING EVERY THURSDAY AT EIGHT O'CLOCK.
AND I FEEL THAT IF IT GOES TO THE DOG PARK, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SAYING YY HOUR FROM EIGHT TO NINE ON A THURSDAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE.
YOU CAN'T DENY SOMEBODY TO COME IN.
NUMBER ONE, THAT'S NOT PART OF YPI HOUR.
IT COULD BE A TOURIST THAT JUST HEARD ABOUT THE DOG PARK.
AND THEY'RE THERE LOTS OF TOURISTS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THE FIELDS.
UM, YY HOUR, WE HAVE THE PATROLS WALKING AROUND WITH BAGS AND POINTING IF ANYONE DOESN'T PICK UP, WHICH IS VERY RARE.
AND, UM, ALSO THE FIELD HAD, HAD BEEN WATERED ON THURSDAY MORNINGS BEFORE WE ARRIVED.
SO IT WAS NICE AND WET FOR US.
NOW, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING THAT ANYMORE, BUT THAT WAS ALSO A CONCERN.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE WERE SOME HOLES IN THE GROUND.
UM, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S OUR YPI HOUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE MAKING ALL THESE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU.
JACQUELINE VAUGHN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SHEILA HARDING.
MY NAME IS JACK WILL AND VAUGHN, I'M GOING TO GO BY DR.
JACK WILL AND VAUGHN THIS EVENING.
UM, I'M PROFESSOR EMERITUS FROM NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY, BUT THE ONLY REASON I USE MY TITLE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE IF THIS PROPOSAL HAD BEEN TURNED INTO MY CLASS, I'M SORRY, YOU WOULD FAIL.
THIS IS SO POORLY THOUGHT OUT.
MOST OF WHICH HAVE BEEN COVERED IN THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNSELORS HAVE ASKED.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON.
HOWEVER, YPI HOUR IS SCHEDULED FOR ONE HOUR EACH WEEK.
WE DO NOT USE IT FOR 52 WEEKS OUT OF THE YEAR BECAUSE OF DATES.
WHEN WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THE FIELD IS NOT IN GOOD CONDITION DUE TO WEATHER DATES, WHEN THERE ARE OTHER EVENTS TAKING PLACE, INCLUDING SET UP FOR THINGS LIKE THE WINE FEST, THE YOGA FESTIVAL, THE FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL, AND AS BEST I CAN ESTIMATE, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 40 HOURS A YEAR THAT WE USE THAT FIELD YY HOUR HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED AS NOT BEING THE CAUSE OF THE DAMAGE TO THE FIELD STAFF.
DIDN'T MENTION THE FACT THAT VEHICLES USE THE FIELD WHEN THEY SET UP FOR EVENTS, BAND STANDS ARE PUT IN LAST, UH, SUMMER.
I SAW INDIVIDUALS FROM THE SOCCER GROUPS, UH, UH, USING THEIR SHOES THAT HAVE CLEATS ON THEM TO DIG HOLES.
AND AS LIN JUST MENTIONED, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE GO THERE, UM, THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD IS A SWAMP.
WE HAVE TO GO AROUND TO FIND AN AREA IN THE CENTER THAT HASN'T BEEN OVER WATERED.
IT IS DISGUSTING ON THE ISSUE OF CLEANUP OF DOG WASTE.
THAT WAS, UH, RAISED BY A COUPLE OF, UH, THE COMMENTS
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BY STAFF.UM, WHEN THE YPI HOUR PEOPLE ARE THERE, WE CLEAN UP CONDOMS. CURRENTLY.
WE'VE BEEN CLEANING UP THE DEBRIS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AT THE PLAYGROUND.
WE CLEANED UP ALL KINDS OF DEBRIS FROM THE EASTER R EVENTS.
WE CLEAN UP, UH, BALLOON DEBRIS.
WE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE PROBABLY DOING MORE TO KEEP THAT FIELD CLEAN THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN TOWN.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE COUNTING THE 20 PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE ADDED, THERE ARE NOT 20, UH, SPACES THERE CURRENTLY, DEPENDING UPON WHETHER THERE ARE CAMPERS OR TRUCKS OR OTHER VEHICLES PARKED THERE, THERE ARE TWO SPACES CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
THERE ARE ON A GOOD DAY, APPROXIMATELY, UH, SEVEN OTHER SPACES.
MOST OF THE SPACES AT THE DOG PARK.
NOW, INCLUDING THOSE ALONG THE ROADWAY ARE TAKEN UP BY PEOPLE WHO ARE MOUNTAIN BIKERS, HIKERS, AND THOSE NOW USING THE SHUTTLE SYSTEM.
NO, UH, THERE IS NO APPLAUSE ALLOWED IN A COUNCIL MEETING.
WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY LAUREL ROM GOOD EVENING.
UH, I HAVE LIVED IN SEDONA, UM, 32 YEARS.
AND, UH, THOSE OF US WHO HAVE A PASSION FOR GREYHOUNDS THAT ARE SPECIAL ANIMALS AND UNIVERSAL DONORS.
I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS WITHIN ENLARGED HEARTS.
THEY'RE IMPORTANT ANIMAL BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.
UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE CUT UP, THAT WE HAVE BEEN RENTING THE, UH, MULTI-USE FIELD FOR TWICE A WEEK, TWO HOURS A WEEK.
UM, OUR DOGS ARE SO EXCITED TO GO TO THE FIELD AND IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL FIELD BECAUSE THEY CAN HONESTLY GET THEIR SPEED UP WHEN THEY'RE THERE.
AND THEY'RE ALSO FOUND TO BE IN COMPETITION LIKE THEY DO ON THE TRACK, WHICH IS THEY LOVE WHEN THEY'RE RACING ON THE TRACK.
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WEAR A BASKET ON THEIR NOSE.
UM, AND THEY'LL DO THAT ON THE FIELD, BUT THEY'RE VERY, VERY GENTLE DOGS AT ANY RATE.
I ATTRIBUTE THE, THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN HAVING THE FIELD FOR MY GREYHOUNDS FOR THE LAST MORE THAN THE FIVE YEARS, WE'VE RENTED TO THEIR LONGEVITY BECAUSE IT'S SO HEALTHY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
EVEN IF IT'S ONLY A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK, VERY HEALTHY FOR THEM.
ARE THERE COMPROMISES WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE? YES.
IN THE PAST, WHEN WE WERE CONTACTED BY PARKS AND REC OF ANOTHER EVENT ON THE FIELD, WE SWITCHED OUR DAYS.
OTHER TIMES WHEN THE FIELD WAS USED FOR WEAKENED EVENTS, WE CANCELED OUR DOG TIME.
WE'VE ALWAYS COMPROMISED WHEN ASKED AND WOULD NATURALLY CONTINUE TO DO SO.
THE PROPOSAL TO ALLOW GREYHOUNDS TO RUN IN AN ENCLOSED PART OF THE DOG PARK IS SOMETHING WE COULD APPRECIATE GREATLY.
WE THANK YOU, ADVANCE FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
LAUREL ROM WILL BE FARED BY PATRICIA BARRY.
MAY I ASK HIM FOR CLARIFICATION WITHOUT USING PART OF MY THREE MINUTES? NO.
PARDON? YOU NEEDED THE MICROPHONE? UM, I WANNA KNOW IF I COULD ASK HIM FOR CLARIFICATION WITHOUT USING MY THREE MINUTES
IS THAT PURPLE THING A FENCE? UM, SO THIS IS PART OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE EXISTING PARK, RIGHT? IT'S A BOUNDARY.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A FENCE GOING IN THERE? THE FENCE WOULD BE DOWN HERE.
UM, I HAVE A LOT TO SAY, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY.
SO WE'VE ALWAYS APPRECIATED THE CITY
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POLICY FOR ALONG THE CITY PARKS TO BE USED BY ALL RESIDENTS, UH, AS AN AMENITY FOR PROVIDING GRASS AND SPACE, AS OPPOSED TO OUR RESIDENTIAL YARDS, WHICH ARE SUPPOSED TO BE EASIER ESCAPED THAN WATER WISE.UH, WE HAVE FAITHFULLY ADHERE TO THOSE PROVISIONS.
UM, WE CLEAN UP AFTER OUR DOGS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL KEEPING AN EYE ON 'EM SO YOU, UM, NONE OF US SIT THERE ON OUR PHONES DURING THAT TIME.
UM, WE'RE ALL KEEPING AN EYE ADDRESS.
THEY'RE LIKE, OH, OKAY, HE'S STARTING TO GO.
UM, WE WALK THE PERIMETER OF THE FIELD.
WE PICK UP, LIKE SHE SAID, WE PICK UP OTHER DOGS POOP.
UM, WE PAY A RENTAL FEE FOR OUR USE OF THE FIELD AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS.
UM, SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NINE TO 12 DOGS SHOW UP TWICE A WEEK.
WE USUALLY HAVE, UH, HALF AGAIN, AS MANY OWNERS CUZ YOU KNOW, THE PAIRS OF OWNERS WILL SHOW UP.
AND AGAIN, WE CLEAN UP AFTER OUR DOGS, THE HOLES THAT YOU GUYS WERE SHOWING, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE DUG BY, BUT THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF 'EM THERE THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE DUG BY DOGS.
A LOT OF THAT WE WILL COME IN, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE SOCCER FIELD BEEN PLAYING.
IT'S LIKE WHERE THE HECK DID THAT COME FROM? UM, ANYWAY, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE DOGS BEING AGGRESSIVE.
I DUNNO, MY DOG, HIS NAME IS FROST.
UM, IF A MAL TEASE COMES RUNNING AT HIM, HE TRIES TO HIDE BEHIND ME GOING MOM, IT'S GONNA EAT ME.
UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE POOL DRAINAGE WITH CHEMICALS.
NOT ONLY WITH THE CHEMICALS, I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THE CHLORINE IS FOR GRASS.
YOU'RE TALKING, SAVING 10% OF THE WATER.
ALL OF IT BEING BROUGHT IN IN TWO DAYS, THIS IS SORT OF LIKE THE FLOODING IN KENTUCKY, UM, 150,000 OR WHATEVER GALLONS A DAY COMING ONTO THAT FIELD IS NOT GONNA BE GOOD FOR THAT FIELD.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPREADING OUT THAT 3 MILLION OR HOWEVER MANY GALLONS OVER THE YEAR.
UM, I'VE RAN INTO THIS WHEN I WAS TEACHING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEWS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, ARTIFICIAL TURF BURNS, IT CUTS THE EDGES OF IT ARE RAZOR SHARP AND THEY HAD PROBLEMS PUTTING DOWN THE SURFACES UNDERNEATH THAT THEY HAVE HAD TO DIG UP PARKS AND HIGH SCHOOLS AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
STUFF WAS BASICALLY MADE FROM RECYCLED TIRES AND IT WAS DISINTEGRATING.
THAT MEANS YOUR TIME IS UP LAUREL.
I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.
THANK YOU, PATRICIA BARRY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY PETER PARA HARROWS.
IF I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME, GREETINGS MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS PAT BERRY, MY HUSBAND, ROB AND I HAVE OWNED A HOME HERE IN SEDONA FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS AND HAVE LIVED HERE FULL TIME.
FOR 11 OF THOSE YEARS, WE HAVE TWO ADOPTED GREYHOUNDS WHISKEY RIVER, WHO IS OUR FOUR YEAR OLD MALE AND JULIE, WHO IS SIX.
THEY BOTH CAME FROM THE SAME TRACK IN FLORIDA.
AS YOU CAN SEE RIVERS, A BEAUTIFUL BRIDLE GREYHOUND.
HE LOVES TO WAKE US UP EARLY IN THE MORNING TO PLAY IN OUR YARD.
HE LOVES TO MEET WITH HIS OTHER GREYHOUND FRIENDS TWICE A WEEK AND RUN TOGETHER IN THE BIG FIELD AT POSSE GROUNDS.
IN OUR HISTORY OF GREYHOUND TIME AT THE PARK, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SAFE AND PLEASANT EXPERIENCE FOR ALL GREYHOUNDS AND HUMANS ALIKE.
IT IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITORS TO THE PARK TO ENJOY SEEING OUR GREYHOUNDS AT PLAY.
THERE HAVE NEVER BEEN ANY NEGATIVE INCIDENTS THAT DETRACTED FROM THE FUN AND PLAY THAT WE HAVE ALL ENJOYED.
THE HUMAN MEMBERS OF OUR GROUP HAVE ALWAYS ACTED RESPONSIBLY AND CLEANED UP THE FIELD DURING AND AFTER OUR USE THE RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW OUR DOGS TO USE A REMODELED EN LARGE DOG PARK IS SOMETHING WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT AND IT EXCITES US.
IF OUR GROUNDS CAN CONTINUE TO RUN AND PLAY SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK AS BEFORE WE GRACIOUSLY ACCEPT AND WELCOME THIS ACCOMMODATION, OUR DOGS ARE RAISED CAGED AND RAN TOGETHER AS A GROUP ON THE TRACK AT LIGHTNING SPEED, THEY STILL RUN SIDE BY SIDE IN THE OPEN FIELD AND WE'VE LEARNED HOW TO GIVE THEM ALL THE SPACE THEY NEED WHEN THEY START COSING ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS OUR DOGS TO RUN SAFELY AND
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FREELY AND OPEN PROTECTED SPACE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.WHAT YOU ARE OFFERING US IS A VERY WELCOME PROVISION.
WE THANK YOU GREATLY FOR YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS AND CONSIDERATION.
PETER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA MESO, MADAM MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
MY NAME IS PETER PERRY HARROWS.
I AM A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND A CARETAKER OF A GRAIN GREYHOUND NAMED SCRATCH.
OUR FIRST GRAY APACHE WORKED AT THE PHOENIX TRACK, WHICH CLOSED AT, UH, IN 2009.
WE RESCUED HIM FROM THE GROUP NEEDING HOMES.
APACHE WORKED AS A SERVICE DOG, VISITING HOSPITALS AND NURSING HOMES IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
LAST YEAR, FLORIDA CLOSED 12 TRACKS RESULTING IN THE NEED TO RESCUE OVER 8,000 GREYHOUNDS.
OUR CURRENT GREYHOUND SCRATCH IS ONE OF THE 8,000 TODAY.
THERE ARE ONLY THREE STATES WITH TRACKS RAISING GREYHOUNDS.
I HAVE BEEN BRINGING MY GRAYS TO THE PARK FOR CLOSE TO 12 YEARS AND ALL THIS TIME, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN UNTOWARD INCIDENT WITH ANY OF OUR DOGS.
THEY PLAY PEACEFULLY RUNNING AND ENJOYING THE FIELD PASSES BY STOP AND WATCH THEM RUN WITH SPEED AND GRACE.
THERE HAVE BEEN MANY TIMES WE EXPLAIN THE IMPORTANCE AND NEED TO RENT THE FIELD FOR THESE DOGS TO SOCIALIZE AND RUN OFF LEASH.
WE THINK IT IS A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO WATCH OUR DOGS RUN.
WE SOME, THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL AND UNIQUE IN THIS BREED.
IF YOUR DOG HAS EVER HAD A TRANSFUSION, THANK A GREYHOUND PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD RENTED THE FIELD BECAUSE WE WERE NOT OPEN TO ALL DOGS AS YY HOURS IS WE HAVE ALWAYS APPRECIATED THE CITIES, ALLOWING US THE ABILITY TO RENT THE FIELD.
OUR DESIGNATED DAYS DURING THE WEEK, WE ARRIVE TO THE FIELD AT 7:00 AM AND WE'RE GONE BY EIGHT.
AS THE DOGS ARE USUALLY EX EXHAUSTED AFTER 45 MINUTES OF SPRINTING AND PLAY, WE RECENTLY HEARD OF THE PROPOSAL TO ALLOW OUR DOGS TO CONTINUE THIS ACTIVITY IN, IN A SECTION OF THE DOG PARK, WE WOULD GRACIOUSLY ACCEPT THIS ACCOMMODATION AND WE THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.
THANK YOU, SANDRA MEO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SALVADOR LOPEZ HERE, SEDONA CITY COUNSELORS.
I AM SANDY MESO, ONE OF THE GREYHOUND OWNERS OF SEDONA RESCUE GROUP AND AN OWNER OF A RESCUE GREYHOUND FROM FLORIDA.
HIS NAME IS SCRATCH AND HE'S FIVE YEARS OLD.
WHEN WE RESCUED SCRATCH, HE WAS SO THIN BEAR SKINNED ON HIS REAR WITH TERRIBLE SCARS ON HIS FRONT LEGS.
WE FOSTERED HIM AND THEN ADOPTED HIM.
HE IS OUR ESCAPE ARTIST AND HAS A MIND OF HIS OWN, BUT WE LOVE HIM AND TAKE HIM EVERYWHERE.
SINCE BEING REMOVED FROM THE SOFTBALL FIELD.
WE HAVE, FEVEROUSLY TRIED TO GET INSURANCE AS INSTRUCTED BY PARKS AND REC AND THE CITY.
WE HAVE TRIED LOCAL AND NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANIES WITH LITTLE LUCK.
THEY SUGGESTED WE USE OUR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE OR HAVE THE CITY ENSURE US.
IN THE MEANTIME, OUR DOGS ARE BITING AT THE BIT TO RUN AND PLAY.
IT'S WHAT THEY KNOW AND LOVE SO WELL THIS WEEKEND, OUR GROUP MET, WE WENT OVER THE PROPOSAL TO RUN OUR DOGS AT THE DOG PARK.
WE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO ACCEPT IT.
WE ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE THE GRANDFATHERED TERMS TO CONTINUE MEETING ALONE TWICE WEEKLY WITHOUT HAVING TO OBTAIN INSURANCE.
WE ASKED THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH WOULD ALLOW OUR EXCLUSIVITY TO THE NEWLY ALLOCATED FIELD WITHOUT OBTAINING PRIVATE INSURANCE.
WHILE THE NEW FIELD IS SMALLER, OUR GROUP WILL MAKE IT WORK IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR GREYHOUNDS.
THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE, UH, RECOGNIZING THE VALUE OF SUSTAINING THIS PROGRAM AND WHAT IT MEANS TO THESE UNIQUE DO DOGS WHO HAVE SUFFERED MOST OF THEIR LIVES BY BEING FORCED TO RACE CAGE 20 HOURS A DAY AND LIVE IN HORRIBLE CONDITIONS.
THANKS TO FOR RECOGNIZING THEIR COMPASSIONATE OWNERS.
WE ARE HERE WHO WORK SO HARD TO LET
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THEM LIVE LIFE FREE OF CRUELTY.I HOPE YOU ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS FOR OUR GROUP.
WE HAVE WEATHERED COVID AT THE PARK, GIVEN OUR DOGS, THE EXERCISE THEY NEEDED DURING THAT TIME, SUMMER, WINTER, WE ARE THERE WITH OUR DOGS.
WE MISSED ONLY ONE RENTAL PAYMENT AS ONE OF OUR PAY.
OUR PAYEE WAS SICK WITH COVID.
WE ARE LONG TIME RESPONSIBLE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA AND WE LOVE OUR CITY.
WE WOULD BE FOREVER GRATEFUL FOR THIS ACCOMMODATION AND WE'LL KEEP THE PARK IN PRISTINE CONDITION.
SALVADOR LOPEZ WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARIA DENNY.
UM, THE TEAM HERE ADOPTED ME, I, MY AVERAGE SPRINTER AND I USE THE PARK QUITE OFTEN.
AND I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO DO YOUR WARMUPS WITH DOGS OR WHATEVER KIND OF, UH, DIRT IS ON THE FIELD AND IT'S, IT'S NOT PLEASANT.
UM, BUT WHAT I COULD TELL YOU ABOUT THE EXPERIENCES WITH THE GREYHOUNDS AND EVEN YY HOUR IS THAT THE FIELDS ARE STEWARDED VERY WELL.
UH, THE PEOPLE REALLY LOOK AFTER, UH, WHAT THE DOGS DEPOSIT ON THE FIELD AND PICK UP, UM, ESPECIALLY ON THE GREYHOUND SIDE, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY'RE A MIGHTY ANIMAL THAT CAN REACH SPEEDS OF 45 MILES AN HOUR, THE THEY, UH, WOULD EXCEED MOST SPEED LIMITS IN THE CITY OF A SEDONA LEFT TO RUN FREE.
UM, IF THERE'S THE LITTLEST BLEMISH ON THE TURF, UH, THAT COULD CAUSE THEM TO COLLIDE AND GO OFF COURSE.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING 45 MILES AN HOUR, YOU CRASH AND YOU HAVE SKIN REALLY THIN.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA GET HURT OR THEY'RE GONNA GET HURT.
AND THE, THE FIELD CONDITION I'VE PLAYED A LOT OF SPORTS, UH, AND I COULD, UH, I, I WAS A LITTLE TROUBLED BY WHAT YOU HAD ON THE SLIDE THAT NONE OF THE HOLES AND DIVOTS WERE CREATED BY, UH, HUMANS.
UM, I'M ALMOST POSITIVE AFTER PLAYING SPORTS MY WHOLE LIFE.
THAT THE NUMBER ONE REASON WHY THOSE FIELDS ARE IN THE CONDITION THAT THEY ARE IS BETWEEN DEPLETED SOCCER PLAYERS, ESPECIALLY AFTER RAINFALL.
I'VE BEEN ON THAT FIELD WHERE MOUNTAIN BIKERS, MOUNTAIN OUTFITTERS GO ON THAT FIELD AND PRACTICE THEIR MOUNTAIN BIKING AND TEAR UP THE FIELD.
AND WHERE ELSE WOULD, WOULD GREYHOUNDS OR YY HOUR DOGS PLAY IN FRONT OF GOLD ALL THE TIME AND DIG OUT WHAT'S THAT'S THAT'S SOCCER PLAYERS.
SO I'M THANKFUL THAT THERE'S A PROPOSAL PUT FORWARD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OPTIONS ANALYSIS DONE ON THE TURF.
AND IF THERE'S, UH, AN RFI THAT COULD BE BUILT TWO TURF MANUFACTURERS OR, OR GRASS MANUFACTURERS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, THAT SHOULD BE DONE TO GET THE, THE BEST COMMERCIAL INFORMATION OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE MARKET.
AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THANKS AGAIN FOR THE PROPOSAL, BECAUSE IT WAS LOOKING LIKE THERE WAS NOTHING WAS GONNA HAPPEN FOR THIS TEAM.
AND SO I KNOW THEY'RE REALLY HAPPY THAT SOMETHING'S BEEN FR FORWARD.
DENNY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SUE SHANNON.
I LIVE ON MELL ROAD HERE IN SEDONA, AND FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH I AM.
MY HUSBAND APPRECIATE ALL THE CONCERN BY STAFF AND SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE PLANNING THAT'S GONE INTO IT.
I'VE READ THROUGH THE PROPOSAL.
I FELT THAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING YOUR BEST TO ADDRESS A LOT OF COMPETING, UM, DESIRES AND NEEDS AMONG VARIOUS GROUPS.
SO AGAIN, UM, I'M VERY THANKFUL THAT YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES IN SEDONA.
UM, UH, WE DON'T REALLY USE THE TENNIS COURTS OR THE SOCCER FIELD OTHER THAN YY HOUR OR THE SWIMMING POOL, BUT YY HOUR HAS BEEN THERE FOR US.
AND, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, WE ARE HAPPY ABOUT THE PROPOSED PARK IMPROVEMENT AND AS WELL AS A CONTINUATION OF YAPPY HOUR, AS SOME OTHERS HAVE SAID, IT IS A TIME JUST FOR EVERYBODY TO GET TOGETHER, COMRADERY, OUR DOGS RUN INTO THE SAME DOGS, SO THEY, THEY DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS TOO, I THINK.
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AND SO I THINK HAVING THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S THAT HOUR, EVEN IF IT IS AT THE DOG PARK IS A GOOD IDEA.AND AS OTHERS HAVE SAID, I HAVE OBSERVED THE MAJORITY, UM, OF YPI HOUR PARTICIPANTS DO FOLLOW THE RULES.
UM, WE HAVEN'T USED THE DOG PARK BECAUSE OF THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AND DIRT.
WE TRIED A COUPLE OF TIMES, THE DIRT IS EITHER DUSTY OR MUDDY ONE OR THE OTHER, DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER AND OUR DOG JUST DOESN'T LIKE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AND, YOU KNOW, AND TRYING TO CLEAN DOG WASTE OFF OF ARTIFICIAL TURF IS EVEN MORE CHALLENGING THAN OFF OF GRASS.
SO IF THERE WASN'T SOME SORT OF A NATURAL SOLUTION, EVEN IF IT'S A MORE, UM, DROUGHT TOLERANT, IF SOMETHING COULD BE FOUND THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE AS MUCH WATER, UM, I DOUBT WE WOULD USE THE DOG PARK, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T.
UM, SO I HOPE SOME KIND OF OTHER SOLUTION CAN BE FOUND.
UM, THE, UM, OKAY, ONE MORE THING.
UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ACCESS GATES THAT COULD SOMETIMES BE CLOSED.
HOW WIDE WOULD THEY BE? BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE IF DURING THE TIME WHEN IT WAS OPEN, IF IT IS MORE LIKE A CONTINUOUS FULL FIELD MM-HMM
SO THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.
AND I, WE'RE STILL CON A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING.
UM, MY HUSBAND AND I CAN STILL WALK FROM A, A PARKING LOT.
THAT'S FARTHER AWAY AS WE GET OLDER, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD FIND IT DIFFICULT.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
THANK YOU, SUE SHANNON WILL BE FOR FOLLOWED BY DARCY AND DARCY.
I THINK IT STARTS WITH A G GOOD EVENING.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA LIVE OVER ON BRISTOL PINES.
I HAVE TWO DOGS, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE TWO DOGS TAKE THEM FAITHFULLY TWO YY HOUR IT'S THURSDAY MORNING IS THEIR FAVORITE DAY OF THE WEEK.
UH, I WANT TO SAY I SUPPORT THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DOG PARK BECAUSE IT IS AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU ASK, OH, DO YOU TAKE YOUR DOGS TO THE DOG PARK? AND THE RESPONSE IS, OH, WE TOOK THEM ONCE.
WE TOOK THEM ONCE THEY CAME BACK, SO FILTHY THAT WE'VE NEVER TAKEN THEM AGAIN.
SO WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO UTILIZING THE, THE NEW AND IMPROVED DOG PARK.
HOWEVER, I, I DO HAVE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOVING YPI HOUR.
THE OVERALL SIZE IS, IS AS HAS BEEN SAID, WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN WHAT WE'RE USED TO AT THE SOCCER FIELD.
AND PARKING IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR ISSUE.
THE NUMBERS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE RECEIVED RECENTLY, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN KEEPING TRACK OF THE NUMBERS OF PARTICIPANTS, BUT THE SUMMER IS THE LOWEST SEASON FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE WEATHER, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T IN TOWN DURING THE SUMMER, BUT SUMMER IS BY FAR OUR LOWEST ATTENDANCE OF THE YEAR.
SO, AS I SAID, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE, TO THE, UM, TO THE IMPROVED DOG PARK.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE VIGILANT IN PATROLLING AFTER OUR DOGS AS, AS WE ARE AT THE SOCCER FIELD, BUT I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT YPI HOUR AND HOPE THAT THERE WILL BE AN OPTION FOR US TO REVISIT THE ISSUE FOR YI HOUR.
DARCY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY BARBARA.
AGAIN, BARBARA, I CAN'T READ THE LAST NAME, BUT, AND THAT'S THE LAST CARD I HAVE.
SO ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD.
UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR YOU.
WE NEED YOU TO START WITH YOUR NAME.
UH, WE'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 10 YEARS FULL TIME.
UH, WE HAVE HAD TWO DOGS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
I'M COMING AT THIS SUBJECT FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY, WHICH IS A GREAT CONCERN.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THESE DOGS ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE AN APPROPRIATE HEALTHY SPACE.
I THINK YPI HOUR IS GREAT, BUT I'M NOT AN OWNER OF A, OF A, UH, OF A GREYHOUND.
I WOULD REPRESENT THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, BOTH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS WHO USE THE DOG PARK
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EVERY SINGLE DAY RIGHT NOW MM-HMMAND WE HAVE FOR 10 YEARS, AND WE GO EVERY OTHER DAY SO THAT OUR DOG DOESN'T EXPECT THAT HE GETS TO GO EVERY DAY.
UM, AND WHEN WE GO, WE GO IN THE EVENING.
OTHER PEOPLE COME IN THE AFTERNOON.
OTHER PEOPLE COME IN THE MORNING DURING THE SUMMER, THE SUMMER IS PACKED WITH PEOPLE NOT PACKED.
I WON'T EXAGGERATE MANY TOURISTS, BRING THEIR DOGS EVERY DAY IN THE SUMMER AND IN THE SPRING AND IN THE FALL.
NOW OUR NEEDS SHOULD BE DISCUSSED IN THIS PLAN AND IT'S NOT BEING DISCUSSED.
UM, I THINK IT'S A VERY SUPERFICIAL PLAN.
AND I AGREE WITH THE PROFESSOR ENTIRELY ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S SO NARROWLY FOCUSED ON A FEW IMPORTANT PEOPLE, BUT A FEW PEOPLE AND A FEW DOGS.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ON SUSTAINABILITY.
I, WE LIKE TO SEE A LARGER DOG HEART, NO QUESTION, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE OFTEN HAVE TOO MANY DOGS IN THAT DOG PARK.
SUSTAINABILITY IS A BIG ISSUE, GRASS.
WE HAVE USED, WE HAVE USED GRASS, DOG PARKS IN FLORIDA, MARYLAND, AND IN, UH, ARIZONA GRASS HAS TO BE VERY WELL MAINTAINED WITH A LOT OF WATER, OR IT TURNS INTO EXACTLY WHAT WAS DESCRIBED OVER HERE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN COTTONWOOD.
WE CAN'T STAND TO USE THE COTTONWOOD ONE BECAUSE IT IS FILTHY.
NOW OUR DOG PARK HERE IS DEFINITELY DUSTY AND WE DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DIRT.
IT SHOULD BE WELL MAINTAINED GRASS, OR IT SHOULD BE WELL MAINTAINED.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT DOESN'T GO UP INTO DUST OR TURN INTO MUD.
UM, WE LET OUR DOGS GO THERE AND WE CLEAN THEM.
I'M NOT A VERY GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER.
UH, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME, CUZ I COULDN'T READ YOUR LAST NAME.
MY NAME IS BARBARA HESS AND I LIVED HERE FOR 27 YEARS.
AND IF I MIGHT THROW IN MY OPINION ABOUT THE GREYHOUNDS, THEY NEED A FANTASTIC AMOUNT OF ROOM.
IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A GREYHOUND GO FULL POOR, IT'S AMAZING.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION ON IMPROVING THE DOG PARK.
IT IS RATHER ON THE SMALL SIDE, WE LOST QUITE A BIT OF THE PRIMITIVE AREA.
WHEN THE, UM, ROAD GOT PUT IN FOR THE PARKING.
UH, THERE'S ALSO, WE PROBABLY LOST, I DON'T KNOW, 30, 40 YARDS IN THE TOP AND A BENCH WAS REMOVED THAT WAS PUT THERE IN LOVING MEMORY OF A KATHY GRIFFIN.
THAT BENCH HAS NEVER COME BACK.
IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL HALF WOOD BENCH.
THE, THE TURF IS, IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WAS THERE, BUT THE DIRT IS, IS PRETTY BAD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY, IF PEBBLE ROCK WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION, IT WOULD AT LEAST NOT BE SO HARD ON THE FEET, BUT YET WOULDN'T REQUIRE THE HIGH MAINTENANCE OF A GRASS.
JESSICA, IS THIS GOING THERE? YES.
UM, I THINK A SPACE TO PROVIDE A YY HOUR IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK YPI HOUR IS ONE OF, OF THE FEW ACT, GENUINE COMMUNITY GATHERING EVENTS THAT, THAT WE ENJOY HERE IN, IN SEDONA.
BUT I, I BELIEVE FOR ALL THE REASONS I HEARD TODAY THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE DOGS AND THE BIKES AND OFF OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, I THINK THEY'RE INCOMPATIBLE USES.
UM, AND SO THAT'S THE PREMISE FROM WHICH I, I MOVE FORWARD.
UM, MYSELF, I DON'T THINK GRASS IS A GOOD SURFACE FOR A PRACTICAL SURFACE.
UM, IT'S VERY HARD TO MAINTAIN CERTAINLY AT THE LEVEL AT WHICH THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXPECTATION OF MAINTENANCE.
UM, IT GETS CLO, IT, IT, IT CAN'T BE USED IN ALL WEATHER AND TO IMPROVE
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THE MAINTENANCE AND TO KEEP THE GRASS LASTING LONGER, PROBABLY SHOULD BE CLOSED MORE OFTEN, UM, TO PRESERVE IT.I THINK, I THINK WHEN WE DID THE FIRST DOG PARK, I REMEMBER THE DOG PARK.
PEOPLE SAID GRASS IS NOT A PREFERABLE OPTION BECAUSE OF ALL THESE PROBLEMS. UM, I'M SURPRISED, NOT SURPRISED NECESSARILY, BUT I'M SURPRISED THAT SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES IN ARIZONA HAVE GRASS AND I EXPECT IT'S FOR THE SAME REASON WE'RE DISCUSSING IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT.
AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT.
I AGREE WITH, WITH OUR LAST SPEAKER THAT YES, DOGS GET DIRTY.
THAT'S THE NATURE OF BEING A DOG AND OF OWNING A DOG, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER MATTER.
AND SO I'M COMING FROM A PLACE WHERE I DON'T REALLY THINK GRASS IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT AND WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT.
AND SO I AM CONCERNED VERY, VERY MUCH ABOUT THE WATER USE.
I THINK WE, AND I THINK THIS IS AN INSTANCE, A VERY GOOD AND CLEAR INSTANCE WHERE TWO CITY PRIORITIES ARE TOTALLY IN OPPOSITION.
WE WANT TO PROVIDE RESIDENTS WITH WHAT THEY WANT, RESIDENTS WANT GRASS.
AND WE HAVE A CAP, UH, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
I HEAR 50 TIMES A WEEK FROM RESIDENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LACK OF WATER AND WHY WE'RE TRYING, WHY WE'RE ALLOWING NEW HOMES OR NEW BUSINESSES OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE TO EXIST.
BUT SOMEHOW THE IDEA THAT WHAT IS IT, 3 MILLION GALLONS IS WHAT WE SAID.
3 MILLION GALLONS OF ADDITIONAL WATER USE IS JUST FINE BECAUSE IT MEETS OTHER COMMUNITY PRIORITIES, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS PROVIDING DOG OWNERS WHO ARE A PASSIONATE GROUP.
I AM A DOG OWNER MYSELF AND I USE HAPPY HOUR YY HOUR, BUT I ALSO USE THE DOG PARK.
SO I, I'M NOT REALLY ONLY GRASS ORIENTED, BUT I THINK THIS IS A COMPLEX, THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE AS COUNCIL HAVE TO FACE.
IT'S REALLY NOT ON A COMPLICATED, WE HAVE TWO COMPETING PRIORITIES.
WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? WHICH PRIORITY ARE WE GONNA FOLLOW? UM, AND I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT REUSING WATER AND DOING THIS AND DOING THAT.
BUT 3 MILLION GALLONS IS A LOT TO MAKE UP.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT THROUGH RAIN WATER.
WE KNOW WE, WE HAVE ONE RAINY SEASON
UM, THE WATER THAT WE DO GAIN FROM, FROM HARVESTING, IF WE DID HARVEST, IT COULD BE USED FOR OUR OTHER WATER NEEDS.
THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL WATER NEED.
UM, UM, I THINK IF WE DO MOVE AHEAD WITH GRASS IS AN OPTION.
I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN IT AT, AT THE ATHLETIC LEVEL FIELD AT ATHLETIC FIELD LEVEL AND NOT LET IT GO TO THE DOG PARK LEVEL BECAUSE COTTONWOOD JUST GO TO COTTONWOOD, LOOK AT THEIR DOG PARK.
I MEAN, WHAT'S IT, THE WHAT'S AT THE DOG PARK NOW IS INFINITELY PREFERABLE TO WHAT'S DOWN THERE AT A VERY LOW MAINTENANCE LEVEL.
SO I THINK IF WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF, OF MAKE OF, OF, OF SPECIFYING THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE THAT WE WANT BECAUSE EXPECTATIONS ARE GOING TO BE ON THE PART OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT IT WILL BE KEPT AT THE ATHLETIC FIELD LEVEL.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD ANTICIPATE THAT, UM, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE DOG PARK, IF IT'S GRASS, WE'LL BE CLOSED FOR WEATHER RELATED CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW, IT'S OPENED ALL THE TIME.
I CAN GO IN THE RAIN IF I WANT, I CAN GO INTO SNOW.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S, I, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT A PROPOSAL THAT REQUIRED THAT THE DOG PARK BE CLOSED ALL THE REST OF US, WHO, WHO DON'T NECESSARILY WANT GRASS.
UM, SO I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOME PLAN THAT WOULD ALLOW A PORTION OF IT AT LEAST TO BE OPEN DURING WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE WEATHER RELATED EVENTS, UM, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND I ALSO HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING THAT WILL NE IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH PARKING ISN'T ENOUGH PARKING.
NOW I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO GET USED TO WALKING.
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THE DOG PARK FOR EXERCISE.MOST OF US, MOST OF US WOULD BENEFIT FROM WALKING.
SOME THERE IS THE SHUTTLE PARKING UP THERE.
POSSE GROUNDS IS REPLETE WITH PARKING.
SO I DON'T THINK THE EXPECTATION SHOULD BE THAT WE MEET THE NEEDS OF HAPPY YY HOUR AND PROVIDE PARKING FOR 60 TO 90 PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT THAT'S UNREASONABLE.
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, I THINK IT'S GONNA BECOME AN ISSUE.
SO I, I THINK THAT WE'RE CREATING, WE'RE MEETING CERTAIN NEEDS AND, BUT WE'RE CREATING ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE, WHICH I GUESS IS KIND OF INEVITABLE, BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AT THIS POINT.
UM, I THINK THAT I GO TO THE BARK PARK A COUPLE TIMES A WEEK, PROBABLY JUST AS A RANGER WALKING THROUGH TO SEE IF IT'S THERE.
IF NOBODY'S GETTING EATEN BY HUGE DOGS, UH, MAKE SURE THE WATER FOUNTAINS WORK, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND I, I THINK THE ASTRO TURF SURFACE IS TOUGH TO MAINTAIN AND ISN'T THE BEST PLACE, UH, AND REALLY KIND OF UNDERSIZED FOR WHAT IT'S REAL NEED IS.
I UNDERSTAND THE SANITARY CONDITIONS AT THE ATHLETIC PARK THAT HAVE TO BE REQUIRED.
SO I SUPPORT THEM MOVE OVER TO A DOG PARK AREA.
AND NOW YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WELL, WHAT IS THE SURFACE GONNA BE? AND HOW'S IT WORK RIGHT NOW? THE CRUSH GRANITE TO ME WHEN IT RAINS OR GETS WET, EVEN IF IT'S DRY, THE DOGS ARE RUNNING AROUND, RAISING UP DUST AND I KNOW DOGS GET DIRTY AND YOU GOTTA CLEAN THEM.
AND YOU, YOU GIVE 'EM BATHS AND THAT'S ALL THE GOOD FUN WHEN YOU'RE TRY AND DO THAT.
AND YET I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A KID, I HAD A DOG, I HAD A COUPLE DOGS, HAD TWO DOGS WHERE I MOVED OUT HERE AND, UH, I MISSED THE GRASS CUZ AS A KID, YOU ROLLED AROUND THE GRASS, YOU PLAY WITH YOUR DOGS, YOU SIT DOWN WITH HIM, YOU, YOU SOCIALIZE WITH THEM, YOU TRAIN THEM, YOU DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
NOW MAYBE THE BARK PARK ISN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA LET EVERYBODY COME IN AND DO IT AND YOU COULD SAY, WELL, GO TO SUNSET PARK AND DO THAT.
AND MAYBE YOU SHOULD WITH A LEASH AND, BUT YOU OUGHTA HAVE GRASS.
I THINK BECAUSE WHEN I SEE THE DOGS PLAYING RETRIEVING BALLS THAT ARE THROWN FOR THEM AND THEY CROSS GRANITE, I FEEL BAD FOR THEIR HEALTH BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SLOBBING IN THE DIRT.
IT GETS THE TENNIS BALLS GET COATED QUICKLY AS THEY SLOBBER AND THEY'RE EATING MUD ALL THE TIME.
SO I JUST THINK, OKAY, DOGS CAN TAKE A LITTLE MUD SOAK CAN KIDS, BUT I DO BELIEVE GRASS IS A BETTER SURFACE FOR DOGS, UH, TO, FOR THEIR PAUSE, TO BE COOLER, UH, FOR THE, GET A LITTLE BETTER TRACTION PERHAPS.
AND I SUPPORT GRASS AND I AM LIKE COUNCIL WILLIAMSON.
THERE'S A COST TO THAT BECAUSE IT OUGHT TO BE THE LEVEL THAT THE CURRENT ATHLETIC FIELD HAS.
IF IT GOES TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET AND IT GETS HORRIBLE, WE'VE WASTED A LOT OF MONEY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS GONNA BE GOOD.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER SUITS, BUT IT'S 15% OF WHAT THE CITY'S USING IN ALL THE ATHLETIC PARKS.
MAYBE WE CAN CUT THEM BACK A LITTLE BIT IN IRRIGATION.
WHO KNOWS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, BUT I'M WILLING TO LET THE 8,222 GALLONS A DAY GO TO THE BARK PARK.
UH, I WOULD ALSO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE GATE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS WIDE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THE DOGS CAN RUN THROUGH THE WHOLE AREA AND NOT HAVE TO FUNNEL THROUGH, TO USE THE WHOLE PARK AT ANY ONE TIME.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE ENFORCEMENT OFF THE BARK PARK IN THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, BE CLAMPED DOWN.
LET'S START TO GET THOSE PEOPLE THAT REALLY ARE STILL USING IT AND VIOLATING IT.
KNOW WHAT THE RULE IS, BUT MAKE IT MEANINGFUL.
I THINK MANAGEMENT, I'M NOT TRYING TO MICROMANAGE WHAT THE STAFF IS GONNA DO.
I'M GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO THEM.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T GO TO MYSELF, BUT IF IT'S SOCIALIZATION, PEOPLE SAY, COUNCIL, DOESN'T LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU CAN HAVE HAPPY YAP HOUR.
I'M NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
AND YOU, YOU CAN ALSO HAVE THE GREYHOUNDS.
I UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT DOGS IN THE MIX, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY NEED A PLACE TO RUN AS WELL.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD BUILD A SEPARATE GREYHOUND PURCHASE FOR THEM TO RUN AND LAP AROUND AND DO THAT KIND OF THING.
WE HAVE TO WATCH THE EXPENSE, BUT I THINK OVERALL IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY AT THE CURRENT BARK PARK.
WE'VE GOT, IT'S THE BEST BARK PARK IN AMERICA.
I THINK I HAD DOGS AND I'D RUN THEM IN SCOTTSDALE AND THEY WERE FINE TOO, BUT THEY DIDN'T KEEP THE GRASS UP THAT WELL.
UH, BUT I WAS THANKFUL IT WAS THERE.
I'M THANKFUL WE HAVE A DOG PARK NOW, BUT I THINK IT CAN BE APPROVED.
AND FOR MANY OF THOSE REASONS I SUPPORT THE, THIS, AND I'M NOT GONNA LOOK TO TRY AND SAY, GO OUT AND SEARCH.
I'M GONNA LEAVE STAFF TO GO DO THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO MAKE THE BARK PARK THE BEST IT CAN BE.
AND I'M GONNA LET PARKS AND RECT DECIDE, WELL, DO WE DO YAPPY HOUR? DO WE, THESE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY DO NOW.
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AGREE WITH, UH, TOM ON ONE POINT FOR SURE.AND THAT IS THE, THE ABILITY OF STAFF TO, TO, TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
UM, THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON HERE AND THAT'S WHY I COMMENTED EARLIER THAT I THINK IT, IT FEELS MORE LIKE A WORK SESSION WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET DIRECTION FROM US.
UM, I, I NOTICED THAT THE, UH, MOTION THAT'S RECOMMENDED, UH, THE WORDING OF, OF THE MOTION IS, UH, SUFFICIENTLY GENERAL.
IT JUST CALLS OUT AT THE AMOUNT AND THE EXPANSION.
AND UH, SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THIS PARTICULAR MOTION.
UM, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN, UH, AS A, AS A GROUP, GIVE ENOUGH FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THE PRIORITIES OUGHT TO BE.
UH, AND YOU CAN GO AND FIGURE OUT ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THE SURFACE OUGHT TO BE AND, UH, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE SUSTAINABLE OR NOT, AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO, UH, I'LL JUST TRY TO TICK OFF A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.
UM, I, I DO DISAGREE WITH TOM AND AGREE WITH, UH, JESSICA ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE GRASS, UM, FOR THE REASONS THAT WERE, THAT WERE STATED ALREADY.
UH, I MEAN, I, I DO THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY BETTER FOR THE DOGS.
I, I HAVE THIS SENSE THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN.
UH, I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST OF IT.
UH, BUT HAVING SAID THAT IF, UH, IF YOU GET TOGETHER, YOU GET YOUR HEADS TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WHETHER IT'S TRANSPORT, WATER, UM, THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE FOR ANY OTHER THING.
UM, BUT, UH, IF, IF ALL THE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH GRASS ARE FIGURED OUT AND YOU FEEL LIKE, UH, THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT AGREES WITH IT, THEN I'M I'M FOR IT.
UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK, UH, I, I KNOW THEY'RE POSITION ON, ON THINGS AND FEEL LIKE, UM, IF THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO, THEN THAT'S THE WAY I'M GONNA FEEL TOO.
SO THAT'S THE PIECE OF DIRECTION I WOULD GIVE ON THAT AS FAR AS THE USE OF THE PARK IS CONCERNED.
UM, I, I, I KNOW THERE ARE, THESE GREYHOUNDS ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY DIFFERENT, VERY SPECIAL.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF DOGS, AND THERE ARE PROBABLY LOTS OF DOGS THAT DON'T GET TAKEN TO THE PARK BECAUSE LIKE THE DOG I USED TO HAVE, AND I STILL MISS HIM, UH, GREATLY, UH, HE WOULD BE COMPLETELY PSYCHED OUT
UH, SO THERE MAY BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIVIDING UP THE, THE AREAS THAT, UM, THAT ACCOMMODATE, UH, NOT JUST GREYHOUNDS, BUT SMALLER DOGS, UM, DOGS THAT ARE MORE AGGRESSIVE.
UM, AND BY THAT, I MEAN THAT ARE THERE MAYBE AN OWNER OR A GROUP OF OWNERS THAT MIGHT DEVELOP AROUND CERTAIN KIND OF ANIMALS THAT, UH, STICK TO THEIR OWN KIND, UH, IF YOU WILL, WHO ARE WILLING TO ALSO, UH, PAY FOR A CERTAIN TIME.
SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR, UM, UH, FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF USE ONCE IT IT'S EXPANDED AND YOU'RE NOT AC ACTUALLY HAVING TO SHARE IT WITH THE ATHLETES AS WELL.
UH, SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF EXPANSION AND THE DEDICATED SPACE FOR THE DOGS.
I THINK THIS IS A CLEARLY A LARGE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND WE'RE FOR SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, DOG OWNERS ARE A BIG PART OF THAT.
SO WE WANT TO GO OUT OF OUR WAY AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF JUST AS WE DO WHEN THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF PICKLE BALL USERS OR, OR WHATEVER ELSE IT IS.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE ROLL.
UM, AS FAR AS THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MENTIONS IN HERE ABOUT FEES BEING WAIVED AND, AND SO FORTH, I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT, UH, THE, THE PARK DEPARTMENT CAN SAY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST, UM, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS WERE MADE SOMETIMES TO, TO EXPERIMENT AND SEE IF IT'S GONNA WORK OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE A DETERMINANT OF WHAT WE DO IN THE FUTURE.
UH, I DON'T LIKE THE WORD GRANDFATHERED IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL FEELING.
I WOULD SAY, START FROM SCRATCH AND SAY, WHAT ARE THE USES THAT ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED? WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, UH, UM, SEGREGATED FROM OTHER USES.
AND IF THAT REQUIRES, UH, OR LOOKS LIKE IT THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS WITH SOME KIND OF AN EXCLUSIVE USE.
THEN I THINK PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE WILLING TO, TO PAY FOR THAT GROUPS OUGHT TO BE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
I THINK IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT THAT, THAT REVERBERATES THROUGHOUT NOT JUST THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, BUT OTHER KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE DO.
SO, UM, IF IT'S A SPECIAL NEED, I WOULD THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE, UH, SOME ACCOMMODATION FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT REQUIRES SOME ADDITIONAL WORK BY STAFF IN ORDER TO OPEN IT UP AND CLOSE IT AND, AND SO FORTH.
UM, SO I THINK I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I'VE PROBABLY FORGOTTEN OF THE THINGS
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THAT I CARE ABOUT, BUT, UM, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS AND LET STAFF, UH, FIGURE IT OUT AND TELL US IF THEY ARE STILL UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION WE'RE GIVING.MAY I JUMP IN JUST BECAUSE I WE'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL COUNSELORS AT THIS POINT AND, UM, MAYBE ADDITIONAL DIRECTION OR CLARIFICATION WILL COME FROM, FROM THE OTHERS, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M FEELING LIKE THIS IS A, AN UNPLANNED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, RIGHT? THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF STAFF TIME TRYING TO COME TOGETHER AND, AND BE RESPONSIVE AND PROVIDE SOME SOLUTIONS THAT CAN MEET MULTIPLE NEEDS.
BUT IF THE DIRECTION IS GONNA BE YES, PURSUE THIS, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET ALL OF OUR CAP GOALS AND WE PROVIDE SURFACES THAT YOU ALL FIGURE IT OUT, BUT IT WILL MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL OF THE USERS.
AND WE MAINTAIN IT IF IT IS GRASS TO THE LEVEL OF OUR MULTI-USE ATHLETIC FIELDS, WHICH IS NOT INCORPORATED INTO SORT OF THE RESOURCE ALLOCATION, THIS HAS BECOME A MUCH BIGGER LIFT THAN, THAN WE, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO AT THIS POINT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT LEAVES US TO BE HONEST, BUT I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THIS WITH, WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE GONNA GO FIGURE IT OUT.
SO IT WORKS FOR EVERYONE AND IT'S, UH, I, I'M NOT SURE MEET EVERY ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES THAT'S RIGHT.
AND I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FEELING LIKE THAT'S A REALISTIC ASK AT THIS POINT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SO IN INCORPORATING SOMETHING INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR'S C I P AND, AND BRING IT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AS WE WOULD DO ANY OTHER CAPITAL PROJECT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I DO WANNA HEAR FROM THE, FROM THE OTHER COUNSELORS, BUT, BUT I ALSO JUST WANTED TO SORT OF, OF ADD THAT, UM, AT, AT THIS POINT, UM, AND BY THE WAY, IF I CAN CONTINUE, UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY VALID.
THE WHOLE IDEA OF WHERE POLICY STOPS AND IMPLEMENTATION STARTS, UH, IS LIKE RIGHT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL RESPECT THAT.
AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, I WILL, I I'M OPPOSED TO THE GRASS IDEA AT THIS POINT, UM, UN I'M STILL GONNA GIVE THE QUALIFICATION.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GRASS SO MUCH AS I AM OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT DOESN'T FEEL, UH, IS IN LINE WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, PLAN, UH, CAPITAL, UH, ACTION PLAN AND, UH, CLIMATE ACTION, CLIMATE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
THANK YOU, UH, TOO MANY CAPS, VERY DIFFERENT, BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON IT.
AND, UM, THE, THE WATER USE IS IMPORTANT.
UH, WE ALL USE WATER IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE ALL SAVE IT, BUT, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE ALL CUTTING BACK ON, UH, OUR GRASS AND USE.
AND, AND SOME OF US ARE TURNING LAWNS INTO, UM, ZERO ESCAPED AREAS.
UM, OUR, OUR, OUR OWN CODE EITHER SAYS THAT RIGHT NOW, IT, IT ENCOURAGES IT, BUT THERE MAY BE A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO REQUIRE IT.
AND SO WE NEED TO THINK AHEAD OF IT.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU MAY HAVE SURFACES THAT YOU CAN CHANGE LATER ON THE GREYHOUNDS.
DON'T REALLY, UH, WHEN THEY'RE IN THE RUNNING TRACKS, IF THEY STILL EXIST ANYWHERE, THAT'S NOT ON GRASS, IS IT? NO, IT'S SOME, IT'S SOME KIND OF OTHER MATERIAL.
SO, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET INTO MY COMMENTS.
AND ONE WAS EXACTLY WHAT COUNSELOR THOMPSON WAS JUST TOUCHING ON.
COULD SOMEBODY FROM THE GREYHOUND GROUP, UH, EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT SURFACES THE GREYHOUND DO RUN ON WHEN THEY WERE AT A TRACK? UH, I DUNNO WHY I DIDN'T THINK OF THIS EARLIER, BUT CAN SIR, CAN YOU STAND UP AND WHAT DO THEY RUN ON? YEAH, IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE HORSES WITH, UH, WHAT, I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT, SO ON THE TRACK, WHAT IS THE FIELD? WELL, ONE THAT'S.
A ANY OTHER YOU, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I COVER ALL BASES.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, UH, HAVE TURF RACES LIKE HORSES DO OKAY.
AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM ALICIA TO TALK ABOUT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, IF, IF YOU ARE PREPARED FOR ANYTHING TO DISCUSS THE GRASS.
CAUSE I, I HAVE A, A BIG PROBLEM, NOT WITH THE CONCEPT.
I THINK THE IDEA, UM, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE WHOLE PLAN, EXCEPT $3 MILLION OF WATER.
SO ALICIA, ARE YOU PREPARED FOR ANYTHING? GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR,
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VICE MAYOR COUNCIL.UM, I CAN TRY TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, UM, WITH WHAT KNOWLEDGE I DO HAVE UP AT THE PROJECT.
JUST, I MEAN, GRASS WOULD BE THE WRONG THING TO, TO PUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE 3 MILLION GALLONS.
IT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD USE OF OUR, OF THE GROUNDWATER.
BUT AS WE DID DISCUSS INTERNALLY, THERE ARE CAPTURING OPTIONS, REUSE OPTIONS.
IF WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, THEN WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME REALLY CREATIVE WAYS TO TRY TO, UM, DO ALTERNATIVE IRRIGATION PRACTICES.
SO, UM, I KNOW FOR A WHILE I'VE BEEN TO, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, I DO GO TO YPI HOUR.
I CAUSE I, RIGHT NOW I'M DOGLESS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS.
SO IT GIVES ME A CHANCE TO PLAY WITH SOMEBODY ELSE'S DOG, AND THEN I CAN SEND 'EM HOME.
BUT, UM, YOU CLEAN UP WITHOUT A DOUBT, BUT I'VE SEEN, AND SOME OF MAY, SOME PEOPLE MAY REMEMBER I'VE BEING THERE AND I SEE DOGS DIG.
SO TO SAY, OUR DOGS ARE PERFECT.
I MEAN, I JUST LOVE 'EM TO DEATH, BUT THEY DO DIG AND I HAVE SEEN IT ON AGAIN.
AND SOME OF THESE, UH, THE DISPLAYS, THE VIDEO, THE GRAPHIC, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN FRONT OF ME.
SO IT DOES HAPPEN, BUT IT'S REALLY, IT'S JUMPED ON BY THE OWNER AND IT'S TAKEN CARE OF, AND I GET THAT AND CLEANING UP THE WASTE.
AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO THERE.
YOU REALLY DO KEEP IT AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE.
THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT IT CAN'T THE YY HOUR AND, UH, GREY HANDS.
CAUSE I WOULDN'T CONSIDER NOT HAVING BOTH.
UM, IT, THEY HAVE TO MOVE OFF THAT FIELD.
UM, FOR EVERY REASON THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE AS A, YOU KNOW, IT, WE NEED TO GIVE TIME TO THE, TO, TO THE DOGS AS WELL.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT IN, I THINK SOMEBODY SAID THERE ARE VERY FEW CITIES AROUND, EVEN IN THE STATE THAT HAVE SOMETHING FOR GREYHOUNDS.
WELL, I'M PRETTY, PRETTY COOL WITH THAT.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR GREYHOUNDS, NOT ISOLATED, BUT ISOLATED TIME.
SO IF YOU EVERYBODY'S AGREEABLE TO TWO HOURS A WEEK, THAT'S VERY, THAT'S GREAT.
UH, I THINK I CAN ALSO WORK WITH THAT.
UH, I HAVE A HALF ACRE, UH, PROPERTY AT HOME.
UH, LIKE I SAID, I'VE HAD, UH, RIGHT NOW DOGLESS, BUT I HAD TWO WHIPPETS TWO TRUE WHIPPETS THEY LOVED RUNNING ON MY CRUSHED GRANITE YARD.
THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY JUMP IN A POOL AFTERWARDS, BUT A LOT OF TIMES, BUT THEY DIDN'T MIND NOT HAVING GRASS.
THEY WERE RAISED FROM PUPPIES ON CRUSH, GRANITE.
IT WORKED FOR THEM, WHETHER IT'S GOOD FOR GREYHOUNDS.
PEOPLE WANNA KEEP THE DOGS, YOU KNOW, CLEAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND GRASS WOULD BE GREAT.
YES, I CAN ROLL AROUND WITH, YOU KNOW, DOGS ON THE GRASS, BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 3 MILLION GALLONS WHEN I, EVERYBODY KNOWS I'VE BEEN OUT AND ABOUT IN, IN OUR CITY FOR A LONG TIME.
AND I HAVE RESIDENTS TELLING ME, DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO BUILD HOUSES ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA USE WATER, STOP BUILDING EVERYTHING.
SO I HAVE A CON A PROBLEM WITH 3 MILLION GALLON OF WATER FOR GRASS.
AND I THINK WHATEVER SURFACE STAFF CAN COME UP WITH, IF ALICIA COULD, IF SHE'S AMAZING, SHE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT AS A COMPROMISE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD, BUT CERTAINLY NOT HAVING A YY HOUR OR A PARKED AT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, SIGN UP THE SUNDOWN THAT IS USED FOR ONE HOUR ISOLATED, BUT ALL THE OTHER HOURS, ANYBODY CAN GO.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY, IN MY MIND, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT SAME THING WITH GREYHOUNDS.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT, UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT 3 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER, WATER FOR GRASS.
SO WHATEVER COMPROMISE STAFF COMES UP WITH, OTHERWISE I SUPPORT THE EXPANSION OF THE CURRENT DOG PARK.
I, I THINK IT JUST MAKES SENSE.
SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT'S SMALLER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.
I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM IN THE PARK AND IT'S AS OPPOSED TO NOTHING AND NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION FOR ME.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, DR.
VAUGHN, I, I WAS JUST CON CONFUSED ABOUT SOMETHING.
YOU SAID THAT YOU WAS, YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT UNRESTRICTED EXCEPT FOR BAD WEATHER, UH, OR SOMETHING ABOUT USING THE FIELD.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE TIME TO USE THIS NEW FIELD THAN YOU CURRENTLY HAVE NOW.
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IN YPI HOUR WOULD BE ONE ISOLATED HOUR, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE OTHER HOURS TO USE.IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING CORRECTLY, YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO, TO, UH, USE THIS FIELD SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, SEND UP TO SUNDOWN.
UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING WE COULD TALK AFTERWARDS AND YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT TO ME, BUT, UM, YEAH, SHEILA HARDING, UH, I GET IT.
I SUPPORT THE, THE GREYHOUNDS WITHOUT A DOUBT.
SO, UH, I DON'T WANNA GO ON ANY LONGER, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, ALICIA WEIGH IN WITH STAFF INTERNALLY.
WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING, I DON'T WANNA PUT IT OFF TO ANOTHER YEAR, BUT I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO, I DECIDE NOW I WILL, WOULD SUPPORT STAFF'S, UH, UH, PROPOSAL IN THE AGENDA BILL, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE GRASS.
IT, IT, KAREN, IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH OR NO, NO.
IT, IT JUST, THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, A HEAVIER LIFT THAN WE'RE PREPARED TO DO AT THIS POINT.
AND, AND I BELIEVE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
I REALIZED THIS IS NOT THE I IMMEDIATE RESPONSIVENESS THAT WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT TO GET IT MORE RIGHT.
IT IT'S, WE REALLY ARE GONNA NEED TO INCORPORATE IT INTO NEXT.
YEAR'S SO NOT DOING THIS PROJECT, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE SURFACE AS AN AFTER THOUGHT TO COME.
I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO IDENTIFY SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY AND EASILY, IN TERMS OF AN ALTERNATE SURFACE, THEN WE COULD MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.
BUT THAT WOULD TAKE ADDITIONAL VETTING WITH A USER GROUP, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE TIME.
WE MAY INTERNALLY COME UP WITH A SURFACE THAT WE THINK TICKS ALL THE BOXES.
BUT AS WE HEARD TONIGHT, THERE ARE MANY COMPETING DESIRES AND PREFERENCES.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL PROCESS OF ENGAGING THE USERS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE SATISFIED WITH, OR, OR WHAT A MAJORITY AT LEAST WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ADVANCE SOMETHING QUICKLY.
I WAS JUST HOPING THAT IT'S EITHER A SURFACE YOU COME UP WITH, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO NOTHING, BUT I THINK YOU HEARD FROM, FROM MANY OF THE USERS THAT IT IS GRASS MAINTAINED TO THE LEVEL OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS OR NOTHING.
BUT THERE ARE NO OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
WELL, THEN WE MAY HAVE NOTHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
IF I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT, IF I KNOW WHAT YOU SAID, DECIDE ON AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE ALL BELIEVE IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION TO MEET, TO BALANCE THE, THE USER'S NEEDS AND THE CAP GOALS.
AND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTATION WITHOUT TRYING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND GET THE BUY IN.
THERE WILL BE MANY UNHAPPY CUSTOMERS, RIGHT.
AND THEREFORE YOU ALL WILL BE UNHAPPY AND YOU'LL BE UNHAPPY WITH YOUR TEAM.
AND I, AND THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANNA SET US UP FOR.
WELL, AND I DO REMEMBER WITH THE EXISTING DOG PARK THAT PEOPLE WERE UPSET WITH CRUSH GRANITE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, ASTRO TURF MM-HMM
AND, BUT THAT WAS A COMPROMISE, BUT AS OPPOSED TO NOTHING VERSUS CRUSHED GRANITE, I HOPE THE COMMUNITY WOULD, YOU KNOW.
I, YOU KNOW, I'D REALLY LIKE TO MOVE ON A LITTLE BIT.
KATHY HASN'T TALKED, I HAVEN'T TALKED, JT HAD PLENTY OF TALKING TALK, SO, SO YEAH, REALLY THANK YOU, MAYOR.
DON WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING TOO, SO LET'S WELL, JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I INCLUDED WAS WHEN WE STARTED HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND I EMAILED OUR YPI HOUR NOTIFICATION EMAIL GROUP.
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BECAUSE NONE OF THEM USED THE DOG PARK.
SO I JUST WANNA SHARE THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR OVER FIVE YEARS, I WORKED WITH THE APPY HOUR GROUP FOR FOUR YEARS.
AND THAT IS WHAT I HEARD REPEATEDLY, EVEN IN THE PARK, WHEN I TALKED TO RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF YPI HOUR, THAT WAS WHAT THEY EXPRESSED THAT THEY WERE LACKING THE NEED FOR PART OF, IF WE GO TO MANUFACTURE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, LAUREL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT.
WE HAVE, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT UP HERE NOW.
SO, AND IT SAY TO CALL KATHY, THANK YOU MAYOR FIRST.
THANK YOU, KAREN, FOR LAYING IT OUT, WHAT IT IS, CUZ IT'S TRUE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS VERY EASY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO, TO SAY WE WANT THE EXPANSION, BUT WE KNOW WITH AN
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UNCERTAIN END TO WHAT IT WILL BE AND PUTTING THAT ON YOUR PLATE.SO THANK YOU FOR POINTING IT OUT.
IT IS IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.
I REALLY WANNA THANK DAWN AND ANDY AND KAREN FOR TRYING TO MOVE TOWARDS SOLUTIONS AND IN TRYING TO BE SO, UM, UH, CUSTOMER FRIENDLY AND CUSTOMER, UM, RESPONSIVE IS MOVE THIS ALONG AT THIS PACE, UH, WHICH RAISES THE OTHER QUESTIONS TO ME THOUGH.
I STILL THINK IT CAN MOVE AT THIS PACE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT IT DOES.
I BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT YAPPY HOUR AND THE GREYHOUNDS HAVE BOTH BEEN USER GROUPS IN PLACE FOR YEARS WITHOUT INCIDENTS.
THIS IS AN AMENITY THAT HAVE NOT REPLACED.
IF THEY'RE REMOVED FROM THE, THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD, IT'S AMENITY, THAT'S BEING REMOVED FROM OUR PUBLIC, FROM OUR RESIDENTS, FROM OUR, THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE.
I, I, I DON'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT REMOVING AN, AN AMENITY.
AND I THINK MY, MY, UM, I'M CLOSEST TO COUNSELOR LAMPKIN ON, ON THIS ISSUE.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE PLACES WHERE WE MAKE HARD DECISIONS.
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IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S A GOAL OF OURS, BUT WE USE WATER.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
THEY'RE DECISIONS THERE'S SOMETIMES UN PALATABLE TO MAKE, BUT THERE ARE, THAT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
THIS TO ME IS A LEGITIMATE USE.
UM, THIS IS TO ME, IS SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, AS COUNCIL LAMBKIN POINTED OUT IS A SMALL PORTION OF WHAT WE USE OVERALL FOR ALL, ALL OF OUR RECREATION PROGRAMS THAT TAKE WATER, WHETHER IT'S THE POOL IRRIGATION OF THE FIELD THERE, TO ME, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE THIS SHOULDN'T SUFFER FROM THAT EITHER.
UM, I, I SUPPORT AS IT'S WRITTEN THE AGENDA BILL TO APPROVE THE EXPANSION OF THE, OF THE DOG PARK TO INCLUDE A NEW FIELD AREA.
UM, I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO GET STARTED ON THIS.
WE KNOW MORE THAN WE DON'T KNOW.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS FRUSTRATING, BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS THE AREA.
WE KNOW THE PARKING, WHICH I SUPPORT PUTTING THAT EXTRA PARKING IN AT THOSE TWO LOCATIONS THAT ARE INDICATED.
UM, I SUPPORT EXPANDING THAT I BELIEVE THAT A IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY AT THE DOG PARK AND THAT IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR GREAT MANY USERS IN A, IN A GREATLY IMPROVED FASHION.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE FINAL TURF, WHATEVER THE SURFACE WILL BE, AND THAT THAT MAY NEED TO COME BACK.
BUT AT THIS POINT, MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO, YES, WE PROCEED.
YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED.
WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE WANNA LAY OUT.
THERE'S WORK THAT CAN BE DONE WHILE WE COME TO THE ANSWERS ON THESE OTHER QUESTIONS.
I, AGAIN, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THEY HAVE A QUALITY THAT THE DOGS HAVE A QUALITY OF WHAT THEY'VE BEEN USED TO, WHAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING.
WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE SOMETHING AWAY.
AGAIN, THANK YOU BY SAYING EXPANDED OVER HERE, THERE'LL BE EXPANDED HOURS.
THERE'LL BE A WAY TO CONTINUE THE SOCIALIZATION.
AND THAT'S THE JOB THAT WE HAVE TO GET TO IS TICKING MOST OF THE BOXES.
SO I SUPPORT EXPANDING THE DOG PARK.
I SUPPORT CONTINUING CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
I AM LEANING TOWARD GRASS AT THIS POINT, BUT IF SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE OTHER OUTREACH CAN HAPPEN, THAT WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M CONTRADICTING SOME OF MY OWN OTHER GOALS IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABILITY.
WE WOULDN'T TAKE AWAY THE SPLASH PAD FROM THE CHILDREN.
WE WOULDN'T DRAIN THE POOL AND NOT OFFER IT IN THE SUMMER.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE, WE NEED TO DO.
AND AT THIS POINT I AM OPEN TO OTHER IDEAS, BUT I, IF IT IS GRASS I'M OKAY.
I BELIEVE I HEARD JESSICA SAY SOMETHING.
I'VE NEVER HEARD HER SAY THIS IS SIMPLE.
I SAID THE DEC THE, THE DECISION ABOUT WHETHER IT'S TWO COMPETING PRIORITIES, I DON'T DIDN'T WANT IT OBFUSCATED BY EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE ALWAYS THROW IN.
IT'S REALLY A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THAT THE EXPENDITURE OF ADDITIONAL 3 MILLION GALLONS IS WORTH WHAT GIVING THE COMMUNITY WHAT IT WANTS, NOT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP.
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UP, IT'S NOT THAT OPEN THAT UP TO YOUR OWN.I'M SORRY I SAID IT, BUT, UH, BUT IT, BUT IT IS NOT SIMPLE.
I WILL SAY THAT IT'S NOT SIMPLE.
I BELIEVE WE ALL AGREE THE COM THE, THE, THEY CAN'T CONTINUE TO USE THE SAME SPACE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES ON THOSE TWO THINGS, DO WE? NO.
WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON SIMPLE
AND I, I, I AM NOT REALLY IN, ON USING 3 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
UH, AND SO, AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.
I DON'T THINK GRASS WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IF WE PUT IT ON THERE.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO, EVEN IF WE WATER IT AND GIVE IT EVERYTHING IT NEEDS, I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAINTAIN IT.
I DON'T TO THE, TO THE PLACE WHERE IT WOULD REALLY BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO I WOULD, FRANKLY, I THINK I'D RATHER HAVE CRUSHED GRANITE TO THE, IT SEEMS TO ME, WE HAD A BIG DEBATE ABOUT THE CRUSHED GRANITE.
I THINK YOU SAID YOU REMEMBERED IT.
AND SOMEBODY SAID, YOU'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT.
YOU COULD DO THE CRUSHED GRANITE.
BUT YOU'RE NOT MAKING IT DEEP ENOUGH.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? BUT THEN IT THEN MOVE WAS TOO DEEP.
WELL, WELL, NO, BUT I MEAN, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND, WE CAN'T CONTINUE DOWN THE, THE PATH WE ARE.
CAN WE TAKE AWAY AMENITIES? YOU KNOW, WHAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS GONNA TAKE AWAY AMENITIES, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
UM, SO, SO I'M NOT, I THINK THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT MYSELF.
UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO CREATE SEPARATE SPACES FOR THEM.
AND I'M NOT SO SURE IT CAN'T BE DONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT JOANNE POINTED OUT THAT THERE'S BOTH THE PARKS AND FLAGSTAFF, AREN'T, DON'T HAVE GRASS.
WELL, I'VE BEEN THERE TOO, BUT, BUT OKAY.
IF YOU WANT THE PERFECT DOG PARK AND THAT'S REALLY OUR GOAL, IT'S NOT MY GOAL.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE THE TAJ MAHA OF DOG PARKS INCIDENT.
SORRY, I THINK MEANS IF WE HAD UNLIMITED WATER MAYBE, BUT WITHOUT THAT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN.
SO I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH, FOR ME, I'M NOT FOR, I AM NOT GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF GRASS FOR THAT REASON, BUT I THINK IT CAN BE DONE.
I THINK IT CAN BE DONE WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF EITHER.
I REALLY THINK A WELL DONE, UH, CRUSHED GRANITE AREA WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE GROUNDS.
AND, UH, AND WHY WOULDN'T IT ACCOMMODATE THE OTHER DOGS TOO? CAN, CAN I, I ASKED BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T MAKE MY OPINION LAST TIME I WANTED, I ALSO WANNA THANK KAREN FOR BEING VERY DIRECT ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING UP HERE AND WHAT STAFF'S CAPACITY IS.
I THINK, I MEAN, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU MAYOR, THAT GRASS WON'T WORK YET.
I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT.
AND I WOULD PROBABLY BE WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND, AND SUPPORT COUNSELOR CANELLA BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WILL GET ANY CREDIT THAT WE WILL BE RESPONDED TO IN ANY WAY POSITIVELY BY EXPANDING THE DOG PARK WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN GRASS, WE WILL BE SEEN AS JUST ELIMINATING YY HOUR AND DESTROY DESTROYING THAT OPPORTUNITY.
YOUR, YOUR ANSWER BASICALLY, I THINK GOES TO KAREN'S POINT.
IF IT HAS TO BE, IT HAS TO BE PUT OFF DOING ANYTHING NOW AND, AND DO SCHEDULING IT AS A NEW CAPITAL PROJECT NEXT YEAR.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT GOES TO, I THINK, AM I WRONG? AM I MISCHARACTERIZING IT? WELL, MAYBE PERHAPS A BIT.
I, I DON'T, I THINK WHAT HAS TO MOVE, SO I THINK WE COULD GO AHEAD WITH IT.
WELL, ARE YOU SAYING THEN THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO GO AHEAD WITH IT IF THE SURFACE WAS CRUSHED GRANTED AT THIS SOMETHING OTHER THAN, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE END UP ON THE SURFACE, BUT I THINK NO, NO, NO, BUT I MEAN, SO I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE KAREN'S EXACTLY MESSAGE.
SOME WEIGHT HERE, THOUGH, IN THAT, WHEN I SAID, I LIKE GRASS, WE'RE NOT SAYING WHAT THE GRASS PLAN WAS.
WE SAY GRASS IN THE, IN THE WRITE UP, BUT IS THAT IT'S NOT BERMUDA.
IT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT TO THE LEVEL OF THE ATHLETIC FIELD, BUT PERHAPS IT'S SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE STAFF PUT IT IN THERE.
SO THEY MUST HAVE SOME KIND OF A GRASS IN MIND.
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I'M NOT SAYING THAT I CAN'T GO WITH THAT GRASS.I'M JUST SAYING I PREFER GRASS.
AND MAYBE IT'S IN THAT SECTION OF THE NEW AREA ONLY, AND YOU LEAVE THE CRUS GRANT ALONE AND YOU SAVE SOME WATER AND YOU, BUT IF WE TRY TO PLEASE EVERYBODY, WE WILL PLEASE NOBODY MM-HMM
IT, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT IF WE AREN'T, IF WE AREN'T SURE.
OR EVEN IF WE ARE ALL SURE, BUT WE'RE DIVIDED ON THE SURFACE THAT IT IS, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO GO WITH A NON GRASS SURFACE AND THEN SWITCH TO GRASS THAN IT IS TO GO THE OTHER WAY.
NOT IF YOU DON'T PUT THE IRRIGATION IN THOUGH, ORIGINALLY
BUT I THINK THAT'S STILL CHEAP.
PUTTING IN AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS NOT, IT'S NOT HUGE.
THAT'S NOT THAT DEEP, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT.
SO HERE'S, HERE'S A, A SUGGESTION, WHICH IS SINCE WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE AS, AS YOU'VE SAID THAT IT'S GRASS OR NOTHING, BUT WE MAY SUSPECT THAT THEY HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
THEY MAY NOT REALIZE WHAT CRUSHED GRANT IS LIKE I'M CAN, I'M INTERESTED IN SAND.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW, HOW GOOD SAND WOULD WORK.
UH, YOU COULD TRY DIFFERENT DEPTHS OF SAND OR WHATEVER.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WITHIN THIS BUDGET, UH, OR MAYBE EVEN IF YOU NEEDED A LITTLE MORE TO COME BACK TO EXPERIMENT WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT GRASS AND NOT WATER USE AND NOT IRRIGATION, UH, THAT WE MIGHT SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE COME OUT AND, UH, HOW MANY TRY IT AND, AND LIKE IT, UM, I, I JUST HAVE THIS SENSE OF DOGS BEING HAPPY, RIGHT? AND IF THE DOGS ARE HAPPY, THE OWNERS WILL BE HAPPY.
AND THE OWNERS IT'S THE OWNERS THAT DON'T WANT 'EM TO BE DIRTY
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, Y HOUR WAS ESTABLISHED ON THE ATHLETIC FIELD BECAUSE THEY WANTED GRASS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD.
COMMENTS, THAT SIGNIFICANT PEOPLE.
SO NO PEOPLE, EXCUSE ME, HOLD ON A SECOND.
CHANGE THEIR MINDS, HOLD ON A SECOND.
I SAID THAT DOGS, IF THE DOGS ARE HAPPY, THE PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY AND THEY WILL DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO TAKE THEM OR NOT, BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH PROBLEM FOR THEM TO WASH THEM AFTERWARDS.
I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A REAL SIMPLE PROBLEM FROM THAT STANDPOINT, RIGHT? YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION.
AND THEN IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN GET SOME DATA AND FIND OUT WHETHER PEOPLE ARE REALLY OKAY WITH IT OR NOT, OR HOW BIG THE OPPOSING, YOU KNOW, OPPOSITION IS REALLY THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, I'VE GONE UP THERE AND TRIED TO RUN ON THE SAND OR WHATEVER, AND IT'S LOUSY.
AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T GO THEN YOU'RE NOT SATISFYING EVERYBODY.
AND MAYBE IT WINDS UP, WE NEED ANOTHER AREA.
THAT'S A REALLY SMALL GRASS AREA.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN BUILD THIS HERE NOW.
I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING VERY RET AS WELL.
WELL, KAREN SAID SHE HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT OTHER GRASS.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE THIS MOTION AS IT IS, BUT WE ADD THE STIPULATION THAT IT BE SOME MATERIAL OTHER THAN, UH, A HEAVY ENVIRONMENTALLY, UH, NEGATIVE THING LIKE GRASS.
UH, AND THAT WE START WITH THAT AND THAT YOU COME BACK TO US AND TELL US, I'M NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT IF I COULD SAY, BECAUSE AS ALICIA SAID HERSELF, THEY WERE LOOKING AT THEY, SHE WANTED MORE TIME.
TELL ME IF I'M MISQUOTED YOU PLEASE ALICIA, CORRECT ME.
YOU SAID YOU WANTED MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO, TO LOOK AT OTHER IRRIGATION, POSSIBILITIES, OTHER REUSE POSSIBILITIES.
I DON'T WANNA MICROMANAGE THIS FROM UP HERE.
WE ARE NOT, WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE THAT THE STAFF HAS IN THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THIS IN THE WORDING THAT IT IS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'LL COME BACK AS TO TALK ABOUT A FINAL SURFACE.
OH, SO, SO, BUT YOURS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA INSIST ON GRASS THEN AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THAT, THAT'S A, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE REPLACEMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT I'M OPEN TO THE STAFF COMING BACK WITH THE OTHER SUGGESTIONS.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT DYING ON THE SORT OF GRASS AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, WON'T, WE HAVE TO ALSO VOTE ON THAT.
I WANNA HEAR, I WANNA HEAR FROM ALICIA NEXT.
CAN I JUST, BEFORE I HEAR FROM ALICIA, CAN I JUST MAKE A, I'D LIKE TO PUT A QUESTION TO HER WHILE SHE SAYS IT, IF WE FIND CREATIVE WAYS TO FIND WATER, REUSE, RECLAIM WHATEVER THAT, THAT WATER COULD HAVE GONE TO OUR CURRENT WATER USE, COULD IT NOT, AND HAVE REDUCED THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WATER USE THAT THE CITY HAS INSTEAD OF ALLOWING US TO
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INCREASE OUR DEPENDENCE ON WATER, BUT GO AHEAD AN ANSWER THE QUESTION NOWMA'AM UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
WE REALLY HAVE TO WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO DECIDE WHAT, WHERE THE WATER'S COMING FROM AND WHAT SOURCES WE CAN USE TO OFFSET IT.
UM, I DID SAY WITH MORE TIME, WE'D BE ABLE TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE IRRIGATION OPTIONS, BUT I DO WANNA KEEP IN MIND THAT I WAS NOT CONSIDERING THE WORKLOAD OF ALL THE STUFF THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT.
SO I DO SUPPORT KAREN'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, JUST FOR OUR OWN SANITY.
I COULDN'T HEAR THAT VERY WELL.
ALICIA, I, I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IN TERMS OF GOING BACK TO TRY TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND PROBLEMS, WE SIMPLY CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THAT THIS YEAR.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFF RESOURCES.
IF WE WERE GONNA MOVE THIS FORWARD EXACTLY AS PROPOSED, THEN WE'VE COMMITTED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF US.
AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I UNDERSTAND WHY, AND I, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS APPROACH AT THIS POINT, MOVING FORWARD, EVEN AS IT IS OUTLINED BECAUSE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, I THINK WE WOULD JUST GET IT WRONG.
MM-HMM
ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU, I AM, YOU YOU'RE UNLESS THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH USING 3 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER TO SUPPORT THE GRASS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GRASS WOULD BE SUPPORTED TO A LEVEL THAT IS FOR A DOG PARK AND NOT AN ATHLETIC FIELD.
I HAVEN'T PROPOSED ANYTHING FOR THAT BECAUSE I SAID, I TRUST STAFF TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISIONS AND HOW THAT DESIGN IS DONE.
SO I'M NOT GONNA, I I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL AS IT IS AND LET YOU PROCEED AS YOU PLANNED.
WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT KAREN IS ASKING.
I, I THINK SHE'S SAYING, IF WE LEAVE IT, IS THIS PROPOSED, SHE WILL STILL RECOMMEND IT.
IF WE TRY TO CHANGE IT, SHE CAN'T RECOMMEND IT.
FOR THE OTHER REASON, SHE'S SAYING WE HAVE TO AGREE TO 3 MILLION GALLONS OF, OF WATER OR A SAND GRAVEL SURFACE, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH A SAND GRAVEL SURFACE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS NOT GONNA PLEASE ALL THE USERS, THEN WE CAN ALSO DO THAT.
I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I'M NOT OKAY WITH THE 3 MILLION GALLONS.
SO I THINK THERE'S THREE OF US THAT ARE, ARE NOT GONNA GO WITH THE WATER.
AND THERE'S THREE THAT AREN'T, SO IT'S A TIE AND THAT'S A LOSS.
KAREN, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THIS GOES OFF INTO THE PLANNING FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, WHAT ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD STAY IN PLACE FOR BOTH YPI HOUR AND THE GREYHOUNDS, BECAUSE IF YOU WANT THAT PLANNING TIME, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY AND, AND UNDERSTAND THAT WHY THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY AN AMENITY THAT IS CURRENTLY ACTUALLY ONE OF THE GROUPS IS WITHOUT THAT AT THE MOMENT, UM, FOR VARIOUS REASONS HAVE TO DO WITH THE INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING.
I DON'T NEED TO BE REIN INFORMED OF IT WAS NOT GOING TO DO THAT COUNSEL.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE WOULD PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE GROUPS THAT NEED THESE ACCOMMODATIONS.
NOW I WILL ALLOW DAWN TO CORRECT ME BECAUSE ULTIMATELY SHE'S MANAGING THESE MM-HMM
NOW, I THINK FOR THE GREYHOUNDS, WE HAVE PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO ALSO BE ON THAT FIELD, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE AN INSURANCE.
AND THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE VETTED VERY EXTENSIVELY, BOTH WITH OUR RISK POOL, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, AND, AND I JUST CANNOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE COULD CONTINUE THAT USE WITHOUT THAT ACCOMMODATION.
DON, WHAT ABOUT THE SOFTBALL FIELD AS FAR AS FOR YPI HOUR MM-HMM
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO OUR MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UM, IT IS A FIELD WITH LIGHTS.
SO THE DAMAGE THAT CONTINUES, I MEAN, THE LIGHTED FIELDS GET USED A LOT MORE THAN THE MULTI-USE FIELD BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK.
UM, SO I, I, I CAN'T CONFIRM NOR DENY THAT WE WOULD KEEP 'EM ON THE LOWER SOFTBALL FIELD, BUT WE WOULD FIND SOME SORT OF ACCOMMODATION FOR YPI HOUR SM WOULDN'T IT ALSO BE POSSIBLE TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION, THE, THE
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PROPOSAL WITH THE ADDITION AND ALL OF THAT WITH, WITH CRUSH GRANTED.THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING THAT'S.
SO WE WOULDN'T NEED AN ACCOMMODATION IN THAT FOR ANYBODY IN THAT CASE.
THAT'S THAT'S AND IT COULD HAVE GRASS ADDED LATER IF WE REALLY THOUGHT WE HAD TO HAVE THAT IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO.
I HONESTLY, I, I THINK, AND I, ALTHOUGH I RESPECT THE OPINIONS OF THOSE WHO WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH THE GRASS AND MAKE THAT ACCOMMODATION.
I THINK IF, IF WE'RE GONNA TRY AND GET SOME MAJORITY HERE, THE CRUSHED GRANTED IS THE WAY TO GO.
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE WELL OPEN MM-HMM
AND AS IMMEDIATELY AS YOU KNOW, THAT IT IS NOT GONNA WORK AND YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, BUT YOU NEED DIRECTION, RIGHT? YOU NEED ONE OR THE OTHER MM-HMM
SO I SUPPORT, I WILL SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED THE EXPANDED DOG PARK.
AND THEN THE, THE NEEDS OF BOTH THE, THE SPECIFIC GREYHOUND USERS AND YPI HOUR CAN BE MET.
DO YOU WANT TO, DO YOU WANT ME TO TRY AN EMOTION? I KNOW WORKS.
I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I FIND IT A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS THAT WE'RE SPENDING WE'RE USING 16 AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS OF WATER NOW.
AND 3 MILLION IS A REAL CONCERN.
UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE SAVING PENNIES, UH, AND NOT SAVING THE DOLLAR.
SO IF WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT, WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING WITH THE OTHER FIELDS TO DROP 3 MILLION, UH, 3 MILLION GALLONS MORE.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S CAPS AND YOU HAD TO BE, BUT THE AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE SOMETIMES GO BEYOND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY AND, AND I GO WITH COUNCIL'S VOTE, BUT I WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TO BE DISCUSSING THE OTHER FIELDS RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY AN ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DAY.
MM-HMM
UM, I, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION? SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY, I MOVED TO APPROVE AN EXPANSION OF THE POSSE GROUNDS DOG PARK TO INCLUDE A NEW FIELD AREA, COMPRISED OF A NON GRASS SURFACE, SUCH AS CRUSHED GRANITE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $155,000.
YOU SAID
ARE WE? I HAVE A QUESTION, MAYOR.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR UNDER THAT MOTION, THE WAY THAT IT WAS MADE IS VERY DEFINITIVE ABOUT THE SURFACE TYPE.
HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE THE PROVISION OF THE SURFACE TYPE COMING BACK FOR A FUTURE ADAPTATION? DOES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THIS AMENDMENT, IN THIS MOTION? MAY I ANSWER THAT PLEASE? DO.
I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL MEETING IS A RECORDED MEETING.
IT'S PART OF THE, UH, WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
WE GIVE DIRECTION AND SOME THINGS WE GIVE DECISIONS ON, AND THIS IS THE DECISION FOR THE MOMENT.
AND THE DIRECTION IS WE ARE OPEN TO THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH A GRASS SURFACE, BEING RESOLVED IN A WAY THAT IT, THAT STAFF FEELS THEY CAN COME BACK OR THEY NEED TO COME BACK BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS NOT BEING HAPPY.
AND, UH, IT GETS LOOKED AT IT AGAIN.
AND THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT, NEXT YEAR'S CAP PLAN OR, YOU KNOW, OR, OR EXCUSE ME, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN OR SOMETHING ELSE.
THIS IS REALLY WHAT IT IS, IS A COMPROMISE.
AND WE NEED TO COMPROMISE SOMETIMES MM-HMM
IS THAT ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD IMMEDIATELY AS WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED? I BELIEVE SO.
I, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS I'M, I'M GLAD THAT THERE WAS THE CAVEAT, UM, NON, IT WAS NON GRASS SURFACE, LIKE SUCH AS, SUCH AS, BECAUSE WE MAY COME UP WITH SOME SAND MIXTURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO HAVING THAT CAVEAT THERE, I THINK IS, UH, IS GOOD TO HAVE.
AND KAREN, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD IN THIS TIMELY WAY AS WAS OUTLINED ORIGINALLY I AM GOOD.
OH, WE GOT A UNANIMOUS VOTE, I GUESS.
AND WE WILL BE TAKING A BREAK.
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THE NEXT ITEM IS, WHERE AM I? A, A, B, C ITEM
[8.c. AB 2853 Discussion/possible action regarding a Resolution and Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Chapter 8.10 (Litter - Nuisances), sections 8.10.010 (Definitions), 8.10.020 (Public nuisances defined), 8.10.180 (Abatement of nuisances), 8.10.210 (Abatement), and adding a new section 8.10.215 (Court-ordered abatement).]
EIGHT C, WHICH IS AB 28 53 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 8.1.OH, LITTER, NUISANCES SECTIONS.
OH, PUBLIC NUISANCES DEFINED 8.10180, ABATEMENT OF NUISANCES.
8.1210 ABATEMENT AND ADDING A NEW SECTION.
8.102 15 COURT ORDERED ABATEMENT.
RYAN, ARE YOU DOING THIS? I THINK SO.
AH, EVERYBODY DID ANYTHING I HAVE TO SAY ON THIS AUS SUSPICIOUS OCCASION.
WELL, I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT UNDER TWO OR THREE HOURS.
YOU CAN'T UH, OH, UH, NO MINE.
UH, THE, THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS, UH, PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
THERE'S JUST A COUPLE THINGS I CAN, UH, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY, MAYBE GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON, UH, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE, THE PACKET NOTES THAT I PUT THERE, AND IT'S MOSTLY THE REASONING WHY I, SOME OF THESE CHANGES ARE PROPOSED.
UH, AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE ALL JUST PROPOSALS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, THERE'S COMBINING SOME LANGUAGE JUST TO MAKE THINGS CLEAR AND EASIER FOR WHEN IT COMES TO CITING PEOPLE AND DOING THE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, THERE WAS SEVERAL SUBSECTIONS UNDER, UH, 8, 10, 20, UH, B E AND F THAT ALL BASICALLY SAID THE SAME THING IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
UH, SO I JUST COMBINED ALL THE LANGUAGES TOGETHER INTO ONE.
SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO PICK WHICH PARTICULAR INSTANCE I HAPPENED TO BE IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, LITTER OR CERAMIC OR METAL.
SO IS THAT, ISN'T THAT, UH, INCEPTION D OF THAT IS KIND OF THE ONE I WANTED TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON.
AND THAT'S THE WEED STATUTE, BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF WEED COMPLAINTS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
AND ESPECIALLY NOW, SINCE WE HAD OUR SUPER WET AUGUST, OH YEAH.
UM, WE ARE REDUCING THE WEED HEIGHT.
UM, I'M PROPOSING FROM 24 INCHES DOWN TO 12 INCHES CUZ 24 INCHES IS A TALL WEED IN YOUR YARD.
SO, AND WE GET COMPLAINTS AND WE KIND OF RULE A THUMB WHEN WE SHOW UP.
UH, BUT IF WE'RE STICKING TO CODE 24 INCHES IS A AS A TALL WEED, LIKE I SAID, SO WE DROPPING THAT DOWN TO 12.
UH, WE COULD PROBABLY STILL HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM IN THERE.
A LOT OF OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE THAT HAVE, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES THAT, UH, THAT WE DON'T, UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SIX INCHES.
SO, BUT I THINK 12 INCHES INCHES IS REASONABLE AND THAT'LL HELP US OUT A LOT IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THEN WE'RE ADDING, UM, DEAD TREES INTO THAT SECTION.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT DEAD TREES IN TOWN, UH, AND RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T ADDRESS 'EM UNDER THE CODE VERY WELL.
THEY FALL UNDER THE UNSIGHTLY PROPERTY STATUTE IS HOW WE ENFORCE THEM.
AND ONE OR TWO DEAD TREES ON A PROPERTY, YOU REALLY DON'T MAKE THE WHOLE PROPERTY UNSIGHTLY FOR THE CODE.
SO WE JUST, NORMALLY, IF IT'S JUST ONE DEAD TREE IN YOUR PROPERTY, WE SEND THE PEOPLE A COURTESY NOTICE CUZ WE CAN'T CITE THEM AND JUST HOPE THAT THEY GO ALONG WITH IT.
AND, AND IT'S, IT'S WORKED MOST 50 50 IS WHETHER THEY COMPLY OR NOT ON DOING THAT, UH, CUTTING DOWN A TREE IS I'VE HAD TO DO TWO IN MY YARD AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.
THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY EXPENSIVE, EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
SO WE TRY TO JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHY TO DO WHERE WAS THAT? I'M I'M SORRY OF THE, I'M SORRY OF THE, OH YEAH.
COULD YOU OF THE TREES THAT COME DOWN, ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, OR THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN THE COMPLAINTS, ARE THEY FIRE? HAS IT, ARE THEY, HEY, THE TREES LEANING IT'S FALLING OVER IS DEAD LEANING TOWARD MY HOUSE OR IS IT JUST UNSIGHTLY AND JUST, OR FALLEN DOWN ALREADY RIGHT NOW WE GET A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THAT.
UM, AND SO, BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN THE ENFORCEMENT ANGLE IS GONNA BE MORE, UH, IF IT'S A, IF WE HAVE TO GET AN ARBORIST, IT'S NOT A DEAD TREE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IF A NORMAL REASONABLE PERSON LOOKS AT IT
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AND IT SAYS THAT TREE'S DEAD, THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT.IF THERE'S WE GET CALLS OF PEOPLE HAVE A DEAD BRANCH HANGING OVER SOMEBODY'S FENCE AND I'M LIKE, OTHERWISE THE TREE IS ALIVE.
I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, GOING AFTER A PERSON.
SO YOU GOTTA CUT DOWN THAT TREE OR WHATEVER.
UM, THE WAY I WAS ENVISIONING IT IS IF THE LOOKING AT IT, IF THE TREE PREVENTS A DANGER, WHETHER IT'S GONNA FALL ON SOMEBODY'S FENCE AND CRUSH IT OR THEIR HOUSE OR THE IT'S NEAR A PARKING, LIKE WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW AND THEY, THEY JUST CUT IT YESTERDAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY NOTICED RIGHT NEXT TO THE THERE'S A VACANT PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO THE ENTERPRISE RENTAL CAR SPOT.
THAT'S GONNA BE A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PLANT IN THE FUTURE THAT THE PALM TREE, IT WAS A BIG, IT WAS JUST A DEAD TREE.
IT WAS HANGING OVER THE RENTAL CARS.
AND SO THEY, WE HAD 'EM CUT THAT, GOT 'EM TO COOPERATED WITH THEM.
SO I WAS LOOKING AT IT FOR, IS IT, IF IT PREVENTS A DANGER OR IF IT'S NEAR A STRUCTURE THAT COULD PREVENT A FIRE HIGHER HAZARD, IF IT'S OUT SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD, I THINK I DON'T, DON'T SEE IT FOR PRE PRESENTING A DANGER.
AND I KIND OF USE THE RULE OF THUMB AS I GOT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS THIS FIREWISE.
UH, CODE WHERE IF IT'S WITHIN CERTAIN FEET OF THE HOUSE, WE WOULD KIND OF WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO, IN THOSE SITUATIONS TO LOOK AT THOSE TREES.
SO IF THERE'S ONLY ONE DEAD TREE, IT SOUNDS IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S LIKE 12 TREES AND ONE OF THEM IS DEAD, YOU'D STILL CITE THAT PERSON.
REALLY? IF IT WAS A DANGER, WELL, SIGHTING IS ALWAYS THE LAST OPTION.
BUT BECAUSE NORMALLY, WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE FORCING THEM TO SPEND $1,500 TO HAVE THAT TREE TAKEN DOWN.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO ASK ABOUT.
IS THAT WHAT, THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO? WE, WELL, I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO IT.
AT BLACK AND WHITE, THE CODE WOULD SAY, IF THERE'S A DEAD TREE IN THE IT'S A DEAD TREE IS IN THE DEAD DEAD TREE IN THE YARD, ON THE PROPERTY THAT IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION.
AND WE TRY TO GET THEM TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, FIX IT, CUT IT DOWN.
WHAT IS THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE TREE MUST BE DEAD TO BE CONSIDERED DEAD? CUZ I HAVE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THAT TREE'S NOT DEAD.
I CAME THREE YEARS AGO, IT LOOKED DEAD AND IT CAME BACK ONCE AND YOU KNOW, THEY DO THAT.
SO, SO WHAT IS DEAD?
AND IN APRIL IT'S GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
SO WE LIKE IN MY, WE ALWAYS PUT THOSE PEOPLE OFF AND SAY, WE WILL LOOK AT IT IN APRIL WHEN, YOU KNOW, SEE IT COMES FROM THAT POINT.
BUT LIKE I SAID TO ME AND I HAD A PICTURE, BUT I DIDN'T, I CAN BRING IT UP.
BUT IF YOU'RE ON HARMONY, IF YOU DRIVE UP HARMONY IN FRONT OF A HOUSE ON THE 300 BLOCK THERE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY DEAD PINE TREE, UM, THAT IT'S NEVER GONNA COME BACK TYPE THING.
SO LIKE, SO, SO BASICALLY YOU WOULD USE THE EXPERTISE OF YOUR OFFICE.
IF SOMEBODY CLAIMS A DEAD TREE, YOU WOULD GO OUT AND YOU WOULD SAY YES, DEAD.
THAT'S BASICALLY I WAS LOOKING AT IT.
I DIDN'T WANNA, SOME CITIES ACTUALLY EMPLOY AN ARBORIST AND THEY WOULD GO OUT THERE AND EXAMINE THE TREE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING, IF YOU'RE GETTING TO THAT POINT THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IF IT'S DEAD OR NOT LEAVE IT.
SO I, I, I WANTED TO, FOR ENFORCEMENT PART, I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY GOING AFTER THE VERY OBVIOUS HAZARDOUS ONES.
WELL, YOU ACTUALLY, A WORDING THAT YOU HAVE IN HERE IS SUBSTANTIALLY DEAD.
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THAT'S EVEN LESS DEAD INTERESTING.
THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR COPYING GLENDALE WHO DON'T COPY GLENDALE.
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE SAID, WE, YOU WOULD WANNA TAKE SUBSTANTIALLY OUT.
SO, SO IT SAYS, OH WAIT, THAT WAS THE, YEAH.
IT SUBSTANTIALLY APPLIES TO THE DEAD DAMAGE OR UNCHARACTERIZED GROWTH OR, YOU KNOW, SHRUBS AND WHATNOT.
BUT IT SAYS AT THE END IT SAYS OR ANY DEAD TREES.
AT THE VERY END, IT'S JUST, OH, OKAY.
THAT WAS MY INTENTION WAS ANY DEAD TREES.
I WAS HOPING I DIDN'T MESS UP TOO BAD.
BUT YOU SAID SUBSTANTIALLY DEAD.
SO DOES THAT MEAN IF IT'S NO, THAT'S NOT ABOUT THE TREES.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT THE OTHER STUFF.
THE AT THE VERY END, IT SAYS OR ANY DEAD TREES.
OH, THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY DEAD.
SO MY, MY HUNDRED YEAR PLANT THAT DID ITS HUNDRED YEAR THING AND HAS DIED.
YOU'RE GONNA CITE ME FOR THAT.
OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR 90 THAT'S NOT A TREE.
NO, NO, BUT IT'S, IT'S IT FALLS UNDER
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LANDSCAPING.SO MAYOR COUNCIL, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS ALMOST ALWAYS COMPLAINT BASED.
AND SO IF WE'RE NOT RECEIVING COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT, DOESN'T GENERALLY DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK FOR DEAD CENTURY PLANTS TO, TO EXCITE PEOPLE.
YET THE ONLY THING WE KINDA DO PROACTIVELY IS THE WEEDS.
WE GO DOWN 89 A SINCE IT'S THE MAIN CORRIDOR IN TOWN AND WE WANNA KEEP THAT BEAUTIFUL IS WE DO PRO PROACTIVE WEED ENFORCEMENT ON 89 A TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE BUSINESSES UNDER CONTROL.
BUT OTHERWISE IT'S ALL COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
WELL, THE, THE, THE THING I WAS GETTING, UH, GETTING TO ABOUT THE, THE DEAD TREE PART IS THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE COMPLAINT, UH, GENERAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLAINT, UH, DIRECTED ASPECT OF, UH, YOUR, YOUR JOB, WHICH IS IF MY NEIGHBOR THINKS THAT BELIEVES THAT THAT'S DEAD AND IT IS, UM, BUT YOU WOULDN'T PROBABLY SIDE IT OR WARNING BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY, UM, VISIBLE, MAYBE SO MUCH FROM PUBLIC PROPERTY OR, OR WHATEVER.
UM, IT, IT, IT MEANS THAT THEY'VE GOTTA COMPLY.
I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE RUN INTO THIS WITH, WITH LIGHTING, UM, DRIVEWAY LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, A, A RESIDENT CAME TO ME AND HE SAID, UM, MY NEIGHBOR IS COMPLAINING THAT THIS LIGHTING ISN'T UP TO CODE AND IT ISN'T HURTING ANYTHING.
AND WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW HAVE PEOPLE HAVE CERTAIN THINGS ON THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSES THAT MAYBE SEND A LITTLE LIGHT UP AND WHATEVER, AND UNLESS SOMEONE'S COMPLAINS ABOUT IT, IT IT'S NOT THERE.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS
YOU'RE GONNA USE GOOD DISCRETION IN TERMS OF WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT IF IT'S COMPLAINT DRIVEN, YOU'RE ONLY GOING OUT TO PLACES WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONNA POINT TO THE CODE AND SAY, YOU GOTTA DO THIS.
BECAUSE PEOPLE LOOK AT THE BLACK AND WHITE AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SOME OF THE LANGUAGE AND SOME OF THESE THINGS HERE I WAS TRYING TO FIX, IF I COULD, RIGHT.
IS THE, UM, THE BLACK AND WHITENESS OF IT, IT'S GOTTA TAKE CARE OF.
SO I GUESS, SO IF YOU'RE SAID, IF, IF, INSTEAD OF SAYING OR ANY DEAD TREES, IF THERE WERE SOME QUALIFIER AFTER THAT, THAT COVERED THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU COULD USE AS AN OUT, IF YOU REALLY DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A PROBLEM.
SO YOU SAY IT'S NOT JUST AESTHETICS.
IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GO TO THE TROUBLE OF LISTING ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, BUT IF WE JUST SAY, OR ANY DEAD TREES, UM, IT'S ALREADY UP THERE.
ISN'T, WE'RE, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE TWO NEIGHBORS ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER OVER SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
ONE OF 'EM CAN SAY, I KNOW I'LL GET THAT GUY.
YOU KNOW, HE'LL HAVE TO MAKE HIM SPEND $1,500.
CUZ HE'S GOT A DEAD TREE AND IT DOESN'T HURT ANYBODY.
AND WE GO WITH THE, UM, IS IT WITH WHICH PRESENTS A FIRE HAZARD WORDING THAT'S IN THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEFORE THE DEAD TREES, I GUESS WE COULD PUT IT AFTER THAT AS WELL.
UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE WERE MORE INTERESTED IN IT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY CALL AND MAKE A COMPLAINT, OR HOW ABOUT JUST, WE LOVE THROWING THE FIRE HAZARD OUT THERE OR ANYTHING.
THERE'S TALL WEEDS AND THEY'RE A FIRE HAZARD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DEAD BUSH IN THEIR YARD AND IT'S A FIRE HAZARD, BUT, OR HOW ABOUT, IT'S ONLY FIRE HAZARD DIS EFFICIENT IGNITION SOURCE AND IT'S CLOSE TO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CATCH THE HOUSE ON FIRE.
HOW ABOUT JUST, OR ANY HAZARDOUS, DEAD TREES, WOULD THAT COVER THINGS THAT COULD FALL ON SOMETHING ELSE OR WHATEVER, BUT IT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE AESTHETIC PROBLEM OF IT.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO FORCE SOMEBODY TO CUT SOMETHING DOWN IF THEY'RE GONNA BE IMPOVERISHED BY IT, JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK GREAT.
I MEAN, AND SOME NEIGHBORHOODS ARE, I THOUGHT OF THAT.
I, I THOUGHT THE STIPULATION WAS IT HAD TO BE HAZARDOUS, DOESN'T IT? NO, THAT'S OUR, WELL, IT SAYS VISIBLE FOR PUBLIC PROPERTY.
YEAH, NO, THERE'S, THERE'S THE SEMICOLON AND THEN, OR, UH, ANY DEAD TREES IS, IS A STANDALONE CLAUSE.
AND SO IT'LL APPLIES TO JUST ANY DEAD TREES IS, IS FOR THE BEGINNING OF THIS SECTION AS DECLARED A PUBLIC NUISANCE.
IT, IT ELEVATES IT TO A HIGHER LEVEL THAN EVERYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE.
SO IT SAYS THERE'S ONLY ONE CRITERIA FOR TREES.
IF IT'S DEAD, YOU GOTTA REMOVE IT.
AND YOUR NEIGHBOR CAN FORCE YOU TO REMOVE IT BY COMPLAINING.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
I MEAN, I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS JUST DECLARING IT A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND THEN IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE CITY TO ENFORCE THE REMOVAL.
DOES IT LEAVE IT STILL OPEN TO INTERPRETATION BY THE CITY? SO ALL, ALL CODE ENFORCEMENT IS, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINT BASED, BUT THEN IT'S UP TO STAFF CAPACITY AND, AND
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THERE'S A REASONABLE LIST IN, IN ANY WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.THAT'S IS IT SO OPEN TO HIS JUDGMENT? NOT ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A DEAD TREE.
IT'S A DEAD OR NOT THAT PART, BUT ON, ON WHETHER OR NOT TO PURSUE ENFORCEMENT IS, IS ALWAYS OPEN.
WELL, I THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE POINT, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
IT'S EITHER DEAD OR ALIVE AND THAT'S ALL THE WORD THAT'S IN THERE.
IF WE CAN JUST THROW IN A WORD LIKE HAZARDOUS, MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER WORD, SOMETHING THAT SAYS, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DANGER HERE.
IT'S NOT JUST WHETHER IT'S ALIVE OR DEAD, BUT IT'S DANGEROUS.
BUT EVERY DEAD TREE'S DANGEROUS BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE WIDOWMAKER DROP OFF THE LIMBS AND KILL SOMEBODY.
CACTUS ARE DANGEROUS IF THEY'RE DEAD, BUT THAT, BUT THAT PARAGRAPH TALKS TO LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HAZARD IN THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH.
IT, IT SAYS, UM, PRESENTS A FIRE HAZARD.
WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? WHERE? SO ON PAGE ONE 20.
THOSE ARE ALL, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL OR SO IT'S DIFFERENT PARTS.
IT'S, IT'S PART FIRE HAZARD AND PART AND AESTHETICS ARE VISIBLE THING.
AND SO IT'S, I AGREE WITH, WITH JT, I'D LIKE SOME MODIFIER IN THERE BECAUSE I, I, I, I, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND I THINK, UNLESS IT PRESENTS A HAZARD OR IT'S, I, SOME OTHER REASON I I'M, I HAVE TO JUST SAY, I AGREE WITH THEM.
WELL, THAT DOES SAY, OR, OR WHICH PRESENTS A FIRE HAZARD IN IT, BUT THAT'S ALL THAT FIRST PART BEFORE THE SEMICOLON, WHETHER TREES DEAD OR LIVE, IT'S A FIRE HAZARD.
IF ALL THE, ALL THOSE FIRST FOUR LINES, ALMOST ALL OF THE, EXCEPT THE VERY END HAS TO DO WITH LANDSCAPING.
AND IT SAYS, IN ADDITION TO THAT, ANY DEAD TREE.
AND I JUST WANT TO ADD THE WORD I SEE.
AM I, CAN I ASK KURT A QUESTION? AM I ALLOWED TO JUST ADD LIKE, OR ANY DEAD TREES, WHICH PERCENT A HAZARD TO, YEAH.
I LIKED THE HAZARDOUS JUST BEFORE ANY HAZARDOUS, ANY HAZARDOUS TO THANK YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
THAT, THAT WORKS ON THE LEGAL SIDE.
DOES IT WORK IN CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE? IT WORKS ON MY SIDE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO CHANGE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING.
WHAT KURT SAYS, WHATEVER KURT SAYS, WHAT ELSE? UH, THE RE I WANNA THANK YOU FOR E I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOUSE ON MOKEY
LUCKILY, I DON'T HAVE TO SEE IT BECAUSE HE BUILT A SIX FOOT WALL, FOUR FEET FROM ME, BUT THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS MILKY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
AND SO WHICH PART IS THAT? E E'S CROSSED OUT THE, THE NEW SUBSECTION E THE NEW SUBSECTION E ANY DANGER.
OH, DANGEROUS DETERIORATE PAIN OR UNFINISHED.
I THINK, UM, ON ACTUALLY LETTER N PROBABLY ADDRESSES THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S ADDED, CUZ I DIDN'T WANNA USE THE, THAT ADDRESS.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM IN TOWN THAT ARE THERE A COUPLE OH YES.
THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR YEARS AND PEOPLE, WE GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE BOBCATS AND THE THINGS PARKED IN THE, ALL THE BUILDING SUPPLIES PART LEFT IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY FOR YEARS.
SO THIS IS GONNA HELP MOVE THEM ALONG.
SO BRIAN, LET ME IN THE SAME TONE, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, BUT I HAVE A HOUSE IN THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY HAD A DUMPSTER OUT THERE FOR A WHILE.
THEY ALMOST WENT A YEAR WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING.
AND NOW I THINK THEY WERE WORKING WITH STEVE AND THEY REALLY MOVED ALONG.
THEY GUTTED THE WHOLE HOUSE AND THEY FINALLY MADE SOME BIG PROGRESS.
BUT WHAT'S THE, UM, LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING OR SYMPATHY IF THEY'RE WORKING WITH, WITH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OR CODES, UH, WITH STEVE, ME THAT IS THAT CONSIDERED WORKING? UH, YES, I BELIEVE SO.
UM, UH, DUMPSTERS AND PORTA POTTIES KIND OF FALL UNDER STEVE AND MICHAEL REG GUY'S DOMAIN.
AND THEY GIVE US DIRECTION ON THOSE BECAUSE I, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE NO MATTER WHAT, DURING A CONSTRUCTION SITE, SOME OF THIS OTHER PILES OF MATERIAL AND VEHICLES AND THINGS LEFT BEHIND HER, KIND OF WHAT THIS WAS MORE TARGETING.
I THINK LIKE THOSE, I THINK IT'S, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT IT'S IF, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A VALID BUILDING PERMIT IN THOSE SITUATIONS, YOU COULD HAVE THE DUMPSTER AND THE PORTA POTTY, THEY COULD LAST FOR A YEAR AND NEVER BE USED.
I MEAN, IS THERE A POINT IN TIME WHERE IT'S LIKE ENOUGH?
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HOW, HOW WOULD THAT COME TO BE? BUT YOU HAVE, IF IT, IF IT'S STILL WITHIN THE VALID PERMIT TIME, IF THE PERMIT IS STILL ACTIVE, THEN IT'S STILL GOOD.EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR SIX, SIX MONTHS.
UH, I BELIEVE SO WITH LIKE THE, ARE WE TALKING DUMPSTERS AND YEAH.
I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE STEVE TO CLARIFY THAT.
ARE WE READY FOR MOTION OR SOUNDS GOOD.
ANYTHING LEFT WITH THIS? SURE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 2 7 2 7.
ESTABLISHING AS A PUBLIC RECORD, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 10.2 ENTITLED 2022 AMENDMENTS TO SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 8.10 LITTER SECOND.
MOVED BY COUNSELOR THOMPSON SECOND BY COUNSELOR ELA.
I THINK MM-HMM
NO MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
FIRST READING OCCURRED AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CODE CHAPTER EIGHT POINT 10 LITTER REGARDING PUBLIC NUISANCES AND ABATEMENT PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR A REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES.
I MOVED TO, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I DIDN'T SAY AS AMENDED DID I, ONE EDIT IS OKAY.
YOU, YOU COULD MAKE IT IN THIS, IN THIS ONE.
UH, AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE AS A AMENDED.
I MOVED TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 4 0 4, AN ORDINANCE OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO THE SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 8.10 LITTER RELATED TO PUBLIC NUISANCES AND ABATEMENT PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR APPEAL OF ANY CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AS AMENDED SECOND, MOVED BY COUNSEL THOMPSON.
NO MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
AND IT IS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS C RIGHT? YES.
[8.d. AB 2854 Discussion/possible action regarding a Resolution and Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Title 8 (Health and Safety) by adopting amendments to Chapter 8.05 (Article II. Garbage and Solid Waste Containment) related to sections 8.05.070 and 8.05.080 trash regulations.]
WE'RE MOVING TO D WHICH IS AB 28 54 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE EIGHT HEALTH AND SAFETY BY ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 8.05, ARTICLE TWO GARBAGE AND SOLID WASTE CONTAINMENT RELATED TO SECTIONS 8.05070 AND 8.05080 TRASH REGULATIONS.AGAIN, MOST OF THE, ALL THE INFORMATION IS IN THE, THE PACKET THERE.
UM, JUST AS A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS ONE, THIS ONE TO ME WAS MORE HOUSEKEEPING ON THE CODE.
NOW THAT IT'S BEEN AN EFFECT FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND WHAT'S MAKING IT EASIER FOR CITING AND ENFORCING, UH, UH, LETTER, THE OLD LETTER F UH, WAS DUPLICATED IN 8.0 5.080 IN THE NEXT SECTION.
SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT WAS, UH, STRUCK, CUZ IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE IN THAT SECTION, UH, THAT IT SAID SOLID WASTE CONTAINER SHALL BE PLACED OUT FOR COLLECTION DAY AT THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY OR STREET.
A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE NOW USING THE CONCIERGE SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE, THE TAYLOR AND PATRIOT AT LEAST IN TOWN.
AND SO THEY DON'T PUT 'EM OUT THE STREET, THE TRASH COMPANIES COME UP, GET 'EM AT YOUR HOUSE.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE REASONING BEHIND THAT ONE.
UH, AND THEN ON 8.0 8.0 5.080, UH, NUMBER TWO, THIS WAS ONE WE KIND OF, KIND OF ALLUDED TO IN THE, THE LAST COMMENT WAS PEOPLE TAKING WORDS VERY LITERALLY, UM, IT HAS THE WORD UP, IT SAYS, UH, THEY SHALL BE STORED ON THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES OR BUSINESSES IN A MANNER THAT MINIMIZES THE CONTAINERS, VISIBILITY, WHICH WE INTERPRET, INTERPRETED THE CODE TO MEAN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THESE OFF THE STREET OUT FROM, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES OUTWARD.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IN VIEW AND IT'S UP NEXT TO THE GARAGE UP, YOU KNOW, AWAY FROM RIGHT OUT IN YOUR FACE.
AND THEN THE L LINE HAD, AS AN EXAMPLE, IT SAID BEHIND A FENCE FE SCREEN OR OTHERWISE OBSCURED FROM VIEW AND TO ME, OBSCURED FROM VIEW MEANS YOU CAN'T SEE IT WHERE WE SAID MINIMIZE FROM VIEW UP AHEAD.
AND THEN A SENTENCE LATER, WE SAY OBSCURED FROM VIEW AND WE GET SEVERAL
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PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT LIKE TO CALL ME AND TELL ME, I CAN STILL SEE THAT THROUGH THESO CUZ IT'S NOT OBSCURED FROM VIEW, BUT IT'S MINIMIZED AND UP AND OUTTA THE WAY AND IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE CODE, BUT THAT WORD WAS JUST DRIVING STAN AND ME CRAZY.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE BULK OF THE, THE CHANGES THERE.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, YOU READY? I MOVED TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2022 DASH 28.
RIGHT? ESTABLISHING AS A PUBLIC RECORD, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 8.05 ENTITLED 2022 AMENDMENTS TO SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 8.05 GARBAGE AND SOLID WASTE CONTAINMENT SECOND.
UH, UM, UM, LAMB KENT, I BELIEVE ALL IN FAVOR.
NO MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY KURT.
THE FIRST READING AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA.
LET ME READ THE ORDINANCE NUMBER FIRST ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022 DASH ZERO FIVE.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CODE CHAPTER 8.05 GARBAGE AND SOLID WASTE REMOVAL AND CONTAINMENT PROVIDING FIRST SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES.
I MOVED TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022 DASH ZERO FIVE, AN ORDINANCE OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO THE SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 8.05 GARBAGE IN WHAT SOLID WASTE CONTAINMENT RELATED TO TRASH REGULATIONS PROVIDING FOR SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ANY CONFLICTING ORDINANCES.
NO MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
AND THAT TAKES US TO UH, E YES, E
[8.e. AB 2857 Discussion/possible action regarding an Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Title 1 (General Provisions) by adopting amendments to Chapter 1.15 (Penalties) adding a new Section 1.15.030 related to recording violations against real property.]
AB 28 57 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE ONE GENERAL PROVISIONS BY ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 1.15 PENALTIES ADDING A NEW SECTION 1.1 5.030, RELATED TO A ACCORD TO RECORDING VIOLATIONS AGAINST REAL PROPERTY.UH, THIS ONE IS, UH, I THINK MOSTLY SELF EXPLANATORY AND THIS ONE, THE BACKGROUND TO THIS WAS, UH, WE GET A LOT OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT THAT WE GET REPORTS OF AFTER THE FACT CONSTRUCTION BEING DONE, UH, SOMEBODY WILL BUY A HOUSE, DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF TURN THEIR GARAGE INTO AN APARTMENT AND THEN QUICKLY PUT IT ON THE MARKET TO FLIP IT AND SELL IT.
AND IF WE DON'T CATCH 'EM IN THAT OWNER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT SAYS WE CAN'T FORCE THE NEW OWNER OF OUR PROPERTY TO FIX OR TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR SOMETHING THAT A PRIOR OWNER DID.
SO THIS IS A TOOL WE'VE BEEN ACTUALLY USING ALREADY TO RECORD NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS ON PROPERTY WITH THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE, SO THAT DURING A TITLE SEARCH IT, THEY, IT COMES UP THAT THERE WAS WORK DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, I'VE MET WITH THE, THE REALTORS ARE ACTUALLY SURPRISINGLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
I'VE MET WITH A REALTOR GROUP EARLIER AND HAVE NEXT TUESDAY.
I'M PRESENTING TO A REALTOR GROUP ABOUT THIS TO HELP GET THE REALTORS ON OUR SIDE, THAT WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY LISTING A HOUSE FOR SALE, THEY WALK THROUGH, LOOK AT IT AND SEE, OH WOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A GARAGE, BUT YOU HAVE A GREAT BEDROOM IN THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS THE BACKGROUND.
UM, I WAS JUST TAKEN BACK A LITTLE THAT THEY HAVE TO ASK TO HAVE THE LEAN REMOVED, UM, OR THE SATISFACTION NOTICE FILED.
I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT IF WE FILE IT, WE SHOULD TAKE IT OFF IF IT'S BEEN SATISFIED.
UM, IS THAT, IS THAT A PROBLEM? UM, ACTUALLY, UH, SO THAT'D BE RIGHT AT THE END, BRIAN, WHERE THE LAST, THE LAST, THAT'S NOT A, TYPICALLY WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IS, UM, NOW THAT I READ THAT STATUTE,
SO ONCE THEY'VE GOT THE INSPECTION PROCESS GOING, I I'VE BEEN RELEASING THE LIENS AT THAT POINT.
EVEN THOUGH THIS SAYS, MAYBE YOU COULD JUST TAKE THAT, THAT LAST OUT.
AT THE REQUEST OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, I'M FINE WITH THAT CUZ
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YOU, IT SHOULD BE ON OUR ONUS TO DO THAT.WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? WE NEED A FIRST SURE WILL A FIRST READING IN THIS CASE.
SO SHORT ENOUGH WE COULD FIT IT IN ONE PAGE FOR PUBLICATION PURPOSES.
UM, AND SO WE DON'T NEED THE RESOLUTION, UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022 DASH ZERO SIX, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CODE CHAPTER 1.15 PENALTIES BY ADDING SECTION 1.1 5.030, PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES.
I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022 DASH OH SIX, AN ORDINANCE OF THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL, THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 1.15 PENALTIES RELATED TO RECORDING OF VIOLATIONS AGAINST REAL PROPERTY, PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ANY CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AS AMENDED AS AMENDED SECOND, MOVED BY COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON.
SECOND BY COUNSELOR ELA, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NO MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY ALL.
I HOPE YOU ENJOYED STAYING THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
[8.f. AB 2571 Discussion/possible direction regarding issues surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic and the City's response.]
TAKE US TO ITEM, UH, G NO, SORRY.F DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING ISSUES SURROUNDING THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC AND CITY'S RESPONSE.
I, I WONDER IF IT ISN'T TIME TO RETIRE THIS FOR EVERY AGENDA? I, I WOULD AGREE.
DO YOU CARE? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT STAYING ON JUST SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
IF SOMETHING CAME OFF, IT, IT ONLY TAKES 30 SECONDS FOR KAREN TO SAY THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO REPORT.
I JUST, THAT WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT.
IF SOMETHING DOES COME UP, THEN HONESTLY, THE THING THAT I FEEL THE WORST ABOUT IS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP ADDING TO THE DATES LIKE LONG STRING CAN'T YOU JUST ICLU BE INCLUSIVE OR SOMETHING ANYWAY.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING COMES UP, WE ADD IT TO THE AGENDA AGAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE AN EMERGENCY LIKE THERE WAS BEFORE.
SO SO'S JUST, I FEEL DIFFERENTLY.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT COVID 19 ANYWAY, OR COVID 20 NOW?
24 HOURS, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO THE MONDAY BEFORE IT CAN GO BACK ON.
[8.g. Reports/discussion regarding Council assignments.]
ITEM IS ITEM G REPORTS DISCUSSION REGARDING COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.WE HAD ANOTHER HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING TA MEETING.
AND, UM, I, WE ASKED, UH, SHANNON ABOUT THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM.
AND THIS WAS EVEN BEFORE IT HAD OFFICIALLY STARTED.
IT WAS, IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS SET TO START SEPTEMBER 1ST AND IT WAS ANNOUNCED SOONER.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE OF OUR MEETING, BUT BY THAT DATE, BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, SHE HAD OVER A HUNDRED CALLS OF INTEREST.
100% OF THOSE CALLS WERE FROM INDIVIDUALS AND NOT, UH, CORPORATE INVESTORS.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UM, AND SHE SAID THAT THE INTEREST WAS FOR THE, A MIX OF HOMES AND ROOMS MM-HMM
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY, VERY POSITIVE.
I ASKED CARE, I ASKED FOR THE UPDATED NUMBERS AND I THINK KAREN INDICATED TO ME THAT SHE WOULD HAVE AN UPDATE FOR US AT SOME, SOME DATE AS TO BOTH THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM AND THE, UM, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH BOTH OF THOSE.
SO, SO, SO I'D LIKE, JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, APPARENTLY WHAT'S REALLY SLOWED THE PROCESS DOWN IS ALL THE MEDIA INQUIRIES SHE'S BEEN GETTING, RIGHT.
SHE SAID FROM ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
ULTIMATELY AIRBNB PROBLEMS. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY, VERY POSITIVE.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE UPDATE.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT, THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT, AND
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THIS IS JUST ON THE SORT OF ON THE HORIZON NOW IS THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE BELIEVE THEY HAVE DONE THE RIGHT THING AND, AND DIDN'T GO THE AIRBNB OR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ROUTE, BUT CONTINUE TO RENT.UM, SOME OF THEM BELOW MARKET RENT TO LOCALS.
AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, AND WHILE I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT WE STARTED IN THE RIGHT PLACE OF ADDING MORE UNITS TO THE RENTAL INVENTORY, AND ALSO THAT AT SOME POINT A STATEMENT AGAINST EVERYTHING BEING, BEING JUDGED BY WHETHER YOU GET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR ANYTHING, ONE WOMAN TALKED TO ME AND SAID, SHE FELT LIKE A SCHMUCK BECAUSE SHE WAS RENTING HER, HER HOUSE BELOW WHAT SHE KNEW SHE COULD GET.
AND SO ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME KIND OF IDEA THAT IF YOU RENT FOR LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM, EVEN IF YOU DON'T NEED THE MONEY AND YOU'RE DOING, DOING A GOOD THING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD TENANTS AND WHO YOU LIKE SOMEHOW, YOU'RE AN IDIOT.
AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE BEGIN TO SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT'S THE WAY THIS, THAT, THAT SOCIETY KIND OF THINKS NOW.
AND IT'S REALLY NOT HELPFUL TO BEING A GOOD HUMAN BEING.
ANYWAY, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE COULD PRO POSSIBLY DONE FOR HOUSING HEROES, LOCAL PEOPLE WHO MAY IN FACT BE DOING GOOD THINGS IN TERMS OF SERVING THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEIR WORKFORCE IN TERMS OF, OF THEIR HOUSING, THEIR PERSONAL HOUSING POLICIES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT AND MAYBE WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITHIN THE FUTURE.
WE SHOULD HAVE A, A LANDLORD OF THE, OF THE MONTH, SOMETHING, WHATEVER.
WELL, I'LL MENTION THAT TO THE GROUP.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, THANK YOU.
WHY NOT? UM, I HAVE, I HAVE A COUPLE QUICK ONES.
THE, UH, SEDONA RECYCLES BOARD MEETING, UH, WAS HELD AND THEY, THEIR MAIN PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THEY'VE HAD A COUPLE OF, THEY'VE LOST A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, ONE UN REGRETTED, BUT ONE VERY MUCH REGRETTED.
AND THEY'RE REALLY BEING CHALLENGED WITH THE, UH, THE AMOUNT THAT THEY CAN PAY AND THE COMPETITION FROM OTHERS WHO CAN PROVIDE, UH, UM, LIKE HEALTH INSURANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED JENNIFER PERRY ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT THEY'RE HANGING IN THERE AND, UH, OTHERWISE, UM, DOING GOOD STUFF.
UH, AND THEN NACOG HAD THEIR MEETING AS WELL, AND THEY'RE MAKING SLOW BUTCHER PROGRESS IN REDUCING THE WAIT TIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE AGING AREA AND, UM, GETTING THEIR, THEIR HIRING BACK, UH, NORMAL, THE, UM, THE, UH, HEAD START PEOPLE WERE PERSON WAS ESPECIALLY UP ABOUT, UH, ALL THE PLACES THAT WERE OPEN THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO OPEN AND, AND SO FORTH, BUT THEY THEY'RE STILL FACING CHALLENGES, BUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT STAFF UP THERE.
THEY DO A LOT OF GOOD WORK AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT IN ADDITION TO ALL THE CITIES SENDING A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, THERE ARE TWO, UH, BASICALLY AT LARGE MEMBERS FROM EACH COUNTY WHO ARE, UM, FROM, UH, I FORGET THE EXACT TERM NOW, BUT THEY ARE MAINLY FROM THEIR, LIKE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
AND THEY'RE RECOMMENDED BY, UM, ANY ANYONE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE COUNTY.
UH, AND THEY SERVE ON THEIR AS WELL TO GIVE A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, HELP TO BRING ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OTHER THAN JUST THE, UH, PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, PERSPECTIVE.
AND WE HAD AN OPENING IN YAVAPAI COUNTY AND, UH, UM, I'M VERY PLEASED TO, TO SAY THAT JENNIFER PERRY, UH, ACCEPTED THE IDEA OF JOINING AND SHE'S REALLY THRILLED.
SHE ATTENDED HER FIRST MEETING AND SHE'S GOING TO BE HAVING, UM, SHE JUST TOLD ME THIS EVENING THAT SOMEONE IS COMING DOWN FROM NACOG TO DO THEIR FIRST ORIENTATION.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY ORIENTED
UM, BUT, UM, UH, I THINK THE FACT THAT SHE IS REGIONALLY ORIENTED, UM, AND INVOLVED WITH BOTH OUR, OUR, UH, BUSINESS COMMUNITY, OBVIOUSLY AS, UH, CHAIR OF THE, UH, UH, CHAMBER AS WELL AS WHAT SHE'S DOING WITH THE, UH, THE NONPROFIT AREA MAKES, UH, MAKES IT A VERY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH DIRECTIONS.
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SO, UH, EVERYONE WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THAT AND SHE WAS VOTED IN JT.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON, UH, SO DON'T HAVE RECYCLES, I THINK I'VE ASKED YOU A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, BUT ANY LOOK TO BRING BACK ELECTRONIC
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RECYCLING.I THINK WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS THAT, UM, ACTUALLY THERE IS SOMETHING WITH STAPLES TAKING BACK ELECTRONICS HEARD THAT STAPLES TAKES BACK ELECTRONICS.
SO I THINK, I THINK THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT ABOUT, WE SHOULD LOOK INTO WHAT THEY DO WITH IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
UM, BUT, UM, UH, MAYBE I'LL HAVE A REPORT FOR THAT NEXT TIME.
MA'AM MAYOR AS, UH, REPRESENTATIVE THAT THE COCONINO WATERSHED, UH, PLATEAU WATERSHED PARTNERSHIP, UH, WE HAVE BEEN MAKING PROGRESS AS A GROUP AT GETTING THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO WORK ON CONTROLLING GROUNDWATER AS WELL AS SURFACE WATER IN CERTAIN AREAS ARE UN CONTROLLED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ABUSE OUT THERE BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES ACTUALLY COMING IN AND DRILLING TO GROW WHEAT AND OTHER THINGS OF HEY AND ALFALFA TO SHIP OVERSEAS.
SO THEIR OWN FOR THEIR OWN USE.
AND, AND WE'RE TALKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, GO OUT IN THE WATER THAT IS BEING USED THERE.
SO THERE'S PROGRESS BEING MADE THERE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A TRIP UP TO THE GRAND CANYON, VISIT A URANIUM MINE, UH, TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW IT'S IMPACTING THE POTENTIAL REDSTONE AQUIFER.
SOME OF THE OTHER AQUIFERS, IF IT WERE TO LEAK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT WERE TO POLLUTE THE WATER WITH URANIUM.
SO NOT A GOOD IDEA ALONG WITH HELIUM, WHICH IS SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE, UH, PROCESSING.
UM, AND, UH, IF I'M TALKING IN A REALLY HIGH SQUEAKY VOICE, NEXT TIME YOU'LL KNOW WE WERE SUCCESSFUL.
SO THE LAST ITEM IS DISCUSSION REGARDING IDEAS FOR FUTURE MEETING, AGENDA ITEMS, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.
WELL, JUST A, A NOTE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE IN A MEETING HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW.
SO WE ARE DONE UNTIL THE 20, WHAT IS IT? EIGHTH AND NINTH OR SEVENTH AND EIGHTH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR OUR NEXT SEPTEMBER MEETING.
AND IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ADJOURN.