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ARE WE GOING?[Historic Preservation]
OKAY.SO I'M GONNA CALL THIS, UM, MEETING TO ORDER AND I'LL ASK EVERYBODY TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE, EXCEPT BOB, NOT YOU'RE FINE.
I PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER INVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND, UM, CYNTHIA, DO YOU WANNA DO THE ROLE CALL? IS THAT WE DO OR DO YOU WANT DONNA TO DO? LET'S HAVE DONNA.
IT'S YOUR, IT'S, IT'S YOUR BIG DAY.
AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER FEENEY PRESENT.
AND COMMISSIONER SEIGNER HERE.
UM, SO WE'RE, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS TO BE MADE OR, UH, ANY CURRENT EVENTS? BOB, YOU HAVE ONE.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY A COUPLE WEEKENDS AGO TO GO ON THE RED ROCK BLUE HISTORY TOUR THAT'S BROUGHT BY THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
AND THAT WAS REALLY A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR ME.
AND I, I THINK JANINE DID, ALTHOUGH OUR, UH, GUY WAS QUINCY, UH, SOMETHING.
ANYWAY, UM, IT OPENED UP A WHOLE NEW THING FOR ME CUZ I ALWAYS CONCENTRATED ON THE HISTORY, THE BIG HISTORY AND THE SNIFFLING, THE NCE, THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GO DOWN THE LOOP ROAD AND STOP.
WE HAD THIS NEAT LITTLE BOOK BEFORE SEAN COULDN'T READ IT, THAT HAD THE NAMES OF ALL THE SEVERS AND SUCH ON IN THE AREA.
AND SO THEY WOULD TURN THE, THE UM, GUY WOULD TURN TO THIS AND SAY, LOOK, ON PAGE 13, THIS IS WHERE, AND YOU SEE THE PLACE, YOU CAN SEE THE BACKDROP.
AND WHEN I GOT HOME, I READ THIS AND I SAID, GOD, I GOTTA DO THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS, THAT ON OCTOBER 22ND, THE MUSEUM WILL HOLD THEIR, UH, FUNDRAISER, BAKE SALE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ARTS AND ALL ARTS AND CRAFTS.
SO WE BAKE UP STUFF AND GET A HOLD OF JANINE.
AND WE SHOULD PUT THAT ON OUR CALENDAR.
ARE THEY HAVING A, A WELCOME PARTY FOR, UH, MY MYERS I THINK, UH, AT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY FROM FOUR TO SIX? I THINK IT IS.
UM, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO BE THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR US TO ALL INTRODUCE OURSELVES TO, UH, THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
UM, AND SO IS THERE ANYTHING, UH, YOU HAVE FOR, AS CYNTHIA? I DON'T HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
AND ANYBODY ELSE ON THE I'LL MAKE A QUICK ONE.
UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO I HAD, UM, BREAKFAST WITH, UH, UH, JODY BULER AND, UM, WAS TELLING JODY ABOUT THE RECOGNITION AWARD FOR THE COWBOY CLUB, AND HE IS ON BOARD TO HELP OUT AND, UH, AND WORK WITH US ON THAT, SO.
AND WE CAN, WE, WERE GONNA DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M, I'M GLAD YOU MADE MENTION OF THAT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE, SO I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON TO PUBLIC TO, I KNOW WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE.
I DON'T KNOW EITHER OF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO, UH, UH, JANINE OR LYNN, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO THAT'S OUTSIDE THE COURSE OF THE YES, WE NEED THE BACKUP AND THE ITEM NUMBER THREE.
WELL, I, AND I PULLED THAT OUT IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, ACTUALLY, I'VE BEEN TOLD BY DONNA NOW THAT INSTEAD OF US HAVING TO ACTUALLY ASK FOR, UH, MOTION AND EVERYTHING CONCERNING THE MINUTES THAT WE CAN JUST ASK, I CAN JUST ASK IF THERE ARE ANY CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
AND IF NO, NO ONE RAISES THEIR HAND, WE CAN GO, I CAN GO, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT THESE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
SO I WANNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THAT'S THE PROCESS NOW.
SO I, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT HAS ANY CORRECTIONS FOR, UH, THE MINUTES FROM LAST TIME? I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE.
SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, UH, APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.
UM, FAIRLY SIMPLE THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY.
SO LET'S GO ONTO THE PUBLIC FORUM.
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A, A JANINE AND LYNN HERE, AND THEY BOTH SHOOK THEIR HEADS THAT THEY, THEY'RE NOT HERE FOR THE PUBLIC FORUM, SO WE CAN GO ON TO OUR REGULAR BUSINESS AND A WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS RATE, UH, REGARDING POTENTIAL LANDMARKS.UM, WE HAVE TWO, TWO POSSIBILITIES JUST, JUST CAME UP RECENTLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD ASK HER.
UH, SHE COULD PROBABLY JOIN US.
IF YOU WANNA JOIN US, LYNN, AND SIT AT THE TABLE WHILE WE DISCUSSED THIS.
YOU CAN, WE HAVE LYNN ALICE HERE.
SHE AND, UM, ELLEN BETS, UM, OWN THE KIVA HOUSE.
IT'S A, IT'S A BUILDING THAT I, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
I HAVE PUT IN FRONT OF YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE KIVA HOUSE AND, UM, AND I'VE, I WENT OVER, I TOOK A LOOK.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE MAINTAINED THE BUILDING ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLY.
IT'S, UM, IT IS A VERY INTERESTING, UM, PROPERTY, UM, FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IT WAS, EVEN FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IT WAS, THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM IS THE SAME ONE THAT DESIGNED THE, THE CHAPEL.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE TO, UM, IT WAS BUILT IN 78.
IT HASN'T, THE CARS COME TO THE POINT OF BEING 50 YEARS OLD, BUT THERE THERE'S SO MANY, UH, UH, INTERESTING, UH, CON PARTS OF THIS BUILDING THAT I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY CONSIDER, UM, LANDMARKING IT AT THIS POINT AND NOT LOSING SUCH A, SUCH A WONDERFUL, OH, WE HAVE, UH, KURT HAS JOINED US.
SO, UM, THAT, JUST FOR MY RECORD, APOLOGIES.
ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME INFORMATION HERE THAT YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT.
ANYWAY, I, I WHAT I WENT OVER AND I TOOK A LOOK AT, UH, AT THE PROPERTY WITH LYNN AND ELLA, AND, UM, NOT ONLY HAVE THEY ACTUALLY KEPT THE EXTERIOR, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MINOR CHANGE THAT THEY HAD TO MAKE TO IT.
UM, NOTHING THAT I THINK WOULD ACTUALLY PREVENT US FROM CONSIDERING IT BEING REALLY CLO REALLY WHAT IT INITIALLY LOOKED LIKE.
UM, AND THEN THE INTERIORS, THEY'VE ALSO KEEP KEPT THE INTERIORS INCREDIBLY MM-HMM.
NOW DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON IT, CYNTHIA? CAUSE I KNOW WE, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS AT ALL, UM, SINCE I VISITED WITH HIM.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS, THE DATE IS, IT DEFINITELY WAS BUILT IN 78, IS THAT CORRECT? 77, 78.
SO IT'S A LITTLE SHY OF OUR 50 YEARS.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, WE, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE POSITIVE ABOUT THIS AND THAT I THINK WE REALLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IT'S ONE OF THE F FIRST HOMES THAT WAS BUILT WITH THIS KIND OF, OF, OF LOOK.
UM, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE FOR YOU.
UM, THIS IS RING WAS, IS THE 50 YEARS OF STATE MANDATED OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SEDONA PUT INTO OUR, OUR, OUR KIT? IT'S, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO, IF YOU GO ONTO TO THE, UM, SHEET THAT I ACTUALLY HANDED OUT THE OTHER SHEET, UH, THIS ONE, UM, IT TALKS A LITTLE, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE, THE 5 0 7 5 15 0 7 DEATH 0.3 TALKS ABOUT WHY WE ACTUALLY LANDMARK.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL OF THESE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON ONE OF THESE IF IT'S STRONG ENOUGH.
SO IT'S ASSOCIATION WITH EVENTS THAT HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE BROAD PATTERN OF OUR HISTORY.
AND IN A WAY THIS SORT OF HAS TOO, BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE EARLIEST HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY EARLY IN THAT HAY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH THE LIVES OF PERVI PERSONS SIGNIFICANT IN OUR PAST.
UM, AND I, I'M, I'M SURE WE PROBABLY DO NOT KNOW THE FELLOW WHO ACTUALLY, UM, BUILT THIS BECAUSE HE ISN'T, AND I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE MAKE US RECOGNIZE HIM.
DO YOU MEAN THE CARPENTER BUILDER OR THE, THE HOMEOWNER.
UH, WE'VE MET HIM SEVERAL TIMES, UH, AND HE PASSED AWAY WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
VICTOR MUELLER FROM CALIFORNIA C SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD'VE EMBODIMENT OF A DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF A TYPE, UH, WOULD SEEM TO COVER THAT, THAT WHAT I THINK IS THAT PROBABLY THE STRONGEST ONE IS C, UM, BECAUSE BASICALLY THIS HAVING BEEN BUILT, UM, YOU KNOW, BY THE SAME WORD BEING DESIGNED BY THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL FIRM AS THE, UH, AS THE CHAPEL, I THINK THAT SORT OF, UH, UH, LENDS ITSELF TO THAT KIND OF, UH, UH, SCENARIO TOO.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT.
UM, JACK, YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA MENTION? YES.
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IN TERMS OF THE 50 YEAR ISSUE, UM, SOME OF, UM, THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE CREATED FOR THE, UM, 200 CELEBRATION IN 1976 HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED.SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY ON THE, ON THE, UH, UH, NATIONAL REGISTER.
SO I THINK THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE 50 YEARS.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UM, THIS HOUSE HAS A RESEMBLANCE TO SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT I'VE SEEN THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED BY OR SUPERVISED BY THE RIGHT FOUNDATION.
SO IT LOOKS REMARKABLY LIKE A HOUSE THAT LAST SCHER BUILT.
SO, UM, I I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION.
WELL, AND I KNOW, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN TOUTED IN, UH, ARIZONA HIGHWAYS AS ONE OF, AS ONE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURES.
AND, UH, WHAT YEAR WAS THAT, LYNN? IT WAS 1984.
THE, UH, MAGAZINE WAS TITLED, THE ISSUE WAS TITLED 2000 YEARS OF ARIZONA ARCHITECTURE.
AND IT HAD A FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT HOUSE, AN INDIAN COMMUNITY, UM, BUILDINGS.
AND THIS HOUSE, UH, IN THAT ISSUE.
IN FACT, WHEN I TRIED TO FIND WHICH ISSUE IT WAS IN, SO WE COULD BUY ONE AT A THRIFT STORE OR ANTIQUE SHOP, I CALLED ARIZONA HIGHWAYS AND THEY SAID, OF COURSE WE DON'T KEEP STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT THE WOMAN I TALKED TO SAID, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER THAT HOUSE.
AND, UH, SHE CALLED BACK IN A FEW WEEKS AND SAID, I FOUND IT.
UH, BEFORE THE 1 79 REDEVELOPMENT WENT THROUGH AND THE ROUNDABOUTS, MANY PEOPLE GOING TO THE CHAPEL WOULD COME DOWN OUR STREET.
IT'S, IT'S AN ACTUAL OFFICIAL FOREST TRAIL.
OUR STREET IS, AND, UH, MANY PEOPLE SAID, I HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT ON MY WALL.
OH, IT WAS THE FIRST PUEBLO STYLE HOUSE AS FAR AS WE KNOW IN THE AREA.
SO, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE, THE WAY WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT IS IF YOU HAD 10 HOUSES ON A STREET WHEN YOU WERE TO LOSE THIS HOUSE, WOULD IT CONCERN YOU? YES.
I THINK THIS IS A HOUSE THAT SOMEHOW IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THIS IN SEDONA, WE'D, WE'D HAVE A LOSS WHERE MANY, MANY HOMES WE WOULDN'T, MANY, MANY HOMES OF 50 YEARS, WE'D SAY GOOD
BUT I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS DEFINITELY, I, OFF THE RECORD, THAT'S OFF THE RECORD, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY A HOUSE THAT I, WE WOULD, WE WOULD CULTURALLY LOSE BY, BY HAVING SOMETHING HAPPEN TO IT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT, REALLY.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO THE PAPERWORK, PROBABLY HAVE TO WALK THE PROPERTY AND WRITE IT UP AND, UH, DO THE, YOU KNOW, DO THE PAPERWORK AND, UH, LET'S YOU DO IT.
SO I THINK, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT HERE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
AM I CORRECT, CYNTHIA? WITH THAT WE CAN JUST, UH, AS A COLLECTIVELY MAKE YES.
FOR DISCUSSION, WE CAN COLLECTIVELY MAKE THE DECISION THAT WE'RE, WE'LL PUT IT, WE'LL PUT IT TOWARD ONE OF OUR LANDMARKS FOR THIS.
AND I, WE HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR, OUR BUDGET HERE, BUT PUT IT, PUT IT UP FOR A, A RECOGNITION AS A LANDMARK.
WELL, WE'LL NEED TO SURVEY IT FIRST.
UM, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THE BUDGET, BUT IF WE WANT A REALLY THOROUGH COMPREHENSIVE SURVEY, WE CAN HIRE THAT OUT AND HAVE NANCY BURGS DO THAT.
SHE'S DONE QUITE A FEW FOR OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A BUDGET.
IF WE DO, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO GO THAT ROUTE.
CAUSE I THINK THAT PROBABLY NOW WE COULD GO, WE COULD MAYBE TWO OF US COULD GO OUT WITH OUR, WITH OUR, UH, SKETCH PAD OF WHAT IT IS ABOUT, UM, PRIOR TO THAT, UM, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE IT THAT IS AS REGISTERED WITH THE CITY, THERE COULD BE TWO OF US THAT CAN GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST FILL OUT THE BLANKS IN THE, IN THE, IN THE FORM THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN SEND HER OUT FOR THAT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, I, I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER HOMES WHERE THERE'S NOT REALLY A SORT OF A LINKAGE OF, OF KNOWING WHERE, WHO ACTUALLY HAD BEEN, YOU KNOW, OWNING WHO OWNED THE HOME INITIALLY, AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
WE, THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF INFORMATION ALREADY, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE NANCY BURGS DO IT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DOT ALL THE I AND CROSS ALL THE DS.
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AND, AND SHE'LL DO RESEARCH AS WELL.UM, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING SHE CAN FIND, WHETHER IT'S THE ARCHITECT OR, SO THE FIRST WAST BUILT IN, ARE YOU IN COCONINO OR COCONINO? COCONINO.
WE, UH, REREADING THE ARTICLE FROM ARIZONA HIGHWAYS AND PULLING UP THE NAME ANSON AND ALLEN.
IT WAS ACTUALLY ANNE SHIN, A N S H E N, AND ALLEN ARCHITECT, UH, WE LOOKED UP THERE WEBSITE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WORLDWIDE AND PULLED A LIST, A SPREADSHEET OF ALL THEIR BUILDINGS.
AND WE FOUND ONLY TWO IN THE STATE, THE CHAPEL AND THIS ONE.
NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOMETHING WASN'T OVERLOOKED, BUT ON THEIR SPREADSHEET,
SO WHAT'S, JUST ADD A DRAWER WORK PLAN.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK IN, IN A MINUTE.
WE'LL, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF FINANCES, WHETHER THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING WE CAN PULL, PULL TOGETHER RIGHT AWAY, WHICH I'D LIKE TO DO THE OTHER, THE OTHER.
AND, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD, LYNN? I KNOW THAT YOU AND I, I, I, THE OTHER THINGS THAT I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT I'M INCREDIBLY, UM, UH, IMPRESSED BY LYNN AND ELLEN'S, UH, DESIRE TO DO THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER HOMES THAT WE REALLY THINK SHOULD BE, UH, LANDMARKED AND, AND PEOP AND THEY CAME TO US, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T US GOING TO THEM.
I, I AM IMPRESSED WITH HOW, HOW ADAMANT THEY ARE ABOUT IT AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT, AND HOW THEY FEEL.
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE.
BRENDA IS ACTUALLY WHAT STEVE SAID.
UH, EVER SINCE WE FOUND THIS HOUSE, UH, WE FELT LIKE IT SHOULD BE UNDER STEWARDSHIP RATHER THAN OWN MM-HMM.
SO OUR CONCERN IS WE DON'T WANNA SEE IT TORN DOWN.
WE DON'T WANNA SEE IT TURNED INTO A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UH, WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO SEE IT SOLD TO SOMEONE WHO CAN COME IN WITH $2 MILLION AND REBUILD ON THE LOT.
UM, OUR, OUR PASSION IS FOR THE STEWARDSHIP TO CONTINUE LONG AFTER WE CAN'T LIVE IN AND MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, UM, ANY LONGER.
WE'VE MET MANY PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS HOUSE.
UH, ONE OF THE MOST BIZARRE STORIES WAS A KNOCK WE GOT ON THE DOOR ON THE SUNDAY AFTERNOON, A MAN WHO WANTED TO SHOW THE HOUSE TO HIS WIFE.
HE AND HIS WIFE HAD A FRUIT ORCHARD IN WASHINGTON STATE AND WERE IN PHOENIX ON BUSINESS.
AND HE HAD ALWAYS TOLD HER ABOUT THIS HOUSE.
HE WORKED ON IT WITH HIS DAD WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD.
AND SO WE SAID, OH, YOU'RE FROM WASHINGTON STATE.
WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT GOING UP THERE ON OUR 20TH ANNIVERSARY TO GET LEGALLY MARRIED.
WE DIDN'T INVITE ANYBODY BECAUSE IT'S SO HARD TO GET TO PORT TOWNSEND FROM ANYWHERE IF YOU'RE NOT IN THIS STATE.
BUT AS THE, UH, AS THE WEDDING CAME TO AN END AND THERE WAS APPLAUSE, WE HEARD SOMEONE IN THE BACK.
KAREN GROOMS HAD DRIVEN FROM HER FARM 45 MILES TO BE IN OUR WEDDING, EVEN THOUGH WE HADN'T ANNOUNCED THE TIME.
WE JUST SAID IT'LL BE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.
SO HE HELPED BUILD THE HOUSE, AND ULTIMATELY LATER, 40 YEARS LATER, THEY HELPED BUILD OUR HOME.
IS THIS SOME DONUT STORY? THAT'S THAT'S GOOD.
AND SO, UH, LYNN, WE WILL, WE WILL PROCEED LIKE THIS.
WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED.
YOU KNOW, I DID GIVE YOU THIS INFORMATION AS TO THE, THE PROGRESS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, HOW, HOW WE HAVE TO, HOW WE HAVE TO PROCEED WITH, UH, LOOKING INTO A LANDMARK AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DESIGNATE.
UM, AND, BUT WE WILL STAY IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
BUT THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS VERY EXCITING FOR US TO HAVE YOU.
WHAT? WELL, BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD INPUT, UM, AND THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
AND, UH, WHAT I LOVE ABOUT, UH, THIS HOME ACTUALLY, THE, THE MOMENT YOU ANSWERED THE DOOR AND WE SPOKE, I TOLD YOU HOW MUCH I LOVE THIS
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HOME.AND ALSO I, I SPOKE ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND WE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT NEIGHBORS DOWN THE STREET WHO ARE, UH, FIGHTING ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH BECAUSE THERE WAS A DESIGNATED TRAIL OF SOME KIND COMING THROUGH HERE.
SO WE ALSO NEED TO PREPARE FOR THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF THAT THEY'RE, THEY'VE LISTED THEIR HOUSE.
I'M JUST, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE COVER ALL OF THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THIS, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS AN AREA THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DESIGNATE THIS HOME, WHICH I'M ALL FOR, BECAUSE I JUST LOVE THIS, EXCUSE ME.
THIS, I LOVE THIS HOME, YET THERE'S TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE COMING THROUGH THERE BECAUSE IT'S A DESIGNATED TRAIL.
UM, IT'S ALSO, YOU'VE GOT AN, A WONDERFUL, AMAZING ELDERLY WOMAN WHO IS BLIND, LEGALLY BLIND, WHO, AND I'M SO THANKFUL FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF HER LIKE YOU ARE.
SO, AND I'M, I'M WATCHING YOUR LITTLE PEN GOING ON.
WE ONLY HAVE UNTIL FIVE O'CLOCK BEFORE IT'S CYNTHIA HAS TO LEAVE.
WELL, ANYWAYS, WE DO NEED TO GIVE A LOT OF OUR, UH, PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN, A LOT OF CREDIT.
UM, SO ALSO YOU'VE GOT OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WANT TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF, UH, LET'S SAY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS FIGHTING BACK ON THIS, YET I'M ALL FOR IT.
BUT WE WANT TO ALSO CONSIDER THAT, COVER THAT AND SURE.
AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT.
THERE'S NO INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN WE DO THIS.
UM, WELL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUBLIC, WE, WE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE THE FACT THAT WE ARE DOING THIS.
THE REALITY IS THAT NONE OF THEM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE DOING A NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ACTUALLY INCLUDING THE OTHER ONES.
AND THEY MAKE, UM, AND THEY MAY COME TO OUR MEETING.
WE HAD, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T LANDMARK, AND I THINK YOU WERE HERE, STEVE.
WE DID LANDMARK, A HOUSE WHERE SOMEBODY CAME AND THEY WERE OBJECTING TO THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS WITH ONE OF THE OTHER HOMES.
IT'S UP TO US THEN TO, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO THEIR OBJECTION.
BUT AT, AT THAT POINT, WE ALL DECIDED THAT THAT OBJECTION DID NOT OVERRIDE WHAT WE THOUGHT THAT HOUSE SHOULD BE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, ITS, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL PAN OUT LIKE THE WHATEVER IT DOES, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT, AND WHAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE LANDMARKING, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE DRIVING UP TO IT TO LOOK AT IT EITHER.
THAT'S NOT THE POINT THAT THAT LANDMARKING I'LL ADD ONE OTHER THING THAT COULD WORK INTO THE BE YOUR BENEFIT OR OUR BENEFIT HERE.
UM, STEVE, THE HOME ON THE CORNER THERE AROUND, UM, WHAT'S THAT COMPANY IN TOWN? ONE OF THE BEST DESIGNERS IN TOWN WHO USED MAJOR DESIGN DESIGNERS.
THEY DID, UH, A HOME RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
THEY'RE A DESIGN GROUP AND HIS MOTHER PASSED AWAY.
COULD WE LANDMARK THAT HOUSE? POSSIBLY? I THINK, I THINK LAND, I THINK WE DESIGN GROUPS.
I SHOULD BE LOOKED AT DOWN THE LINE, I THINK FOR THE TOTAL TOTALITY OF THEIR WORK.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
AND THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT AGE WHERE WE CAN, BUT I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT WHERE WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THEIR WORK, WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND THEN CUZ THEY HAVE DONE AN AMAZING THING IN, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT LIKE THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HIM.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT DON WOODS.
I THINK THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THAT.
AND I WANNA REALLY KEEP THIS AS, AS A, AS A, AS A GEM.
AND IT'S HIS OWN, OWN SEPARATE GEM AT THIS POINT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
THOSE ARE THINGS, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I, I HAVE WANTED TO, TO LOOK INTO, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT.
SO, BUT I, BUT I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT I, I THANK YOU, UM, UH, LYNN FOR, UH, COMING AND, AND, AND SHOWING US YOUR, YOUR ALL THE INFORMATION.
AND YOU GUYS, SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THAT.
SO NOW THE OTHER, THE OTHER, THE OTHER, MAYBE THE OTHER POSSIBLE LANDMARK, UM, THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WAS, I ACTUALLY CALLED WENDY LIPMAN, UH, A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO AND ASKED HER IF, UH, THE, IF SHE THOUGHT TO LOCK PAC WOULD BE WILLING TO LANDMARK.
NOT THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE OUTLAY, BUT THE TOWER THERE.
AND SHE SAID, I WOULD BE ECSTATIC ABOUT
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DOING THAT.SO WHAT I WANNA DO IS WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AND, AND SORT OF EXPLAIN THESE THINGS TO HER.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AND TALK TO HER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE STEPS THAT ARE TAKEN TO ACTUALLY CR YOU KNOW, CREATE A LANDMARK.
BUT SHE SAID SHE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH US.
SO CYNTHIA, WELL, AT ONE POINT, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN JACK.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THE PHASE ONE WAS REACHING 50 YEARS.
AND SO IS SHE SAYING SHE DOES NOT WANT TO DO PHASE ONE? ONLY THE TOWER? WELL, IT, IT, IT PROBABLY, IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN THE TOWER.
IT MIGHT BE THE TOWER AND THE, UM, THE CHAPEL AREA.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'LL DO ALL PHASE ONE, BUT I THINK IT, EVEN IF WE CAN GET OR PUT IN THE DOOR AND START TALKING ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE TOWER, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S STEP FORWARD.
BECAUSE I THINK WE REALLY DO WANT TO, UM, BE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE IN, YOU KNOW, UM, DEVELOP THIS WITH THEM IN MIND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE NOW HAVE, THE CHAPEL IS CERTAINLY ON THE, THE DESIGNATION IS ONE OF OUR DESIGNATED LANDMARKS.
AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET STEVE STEGNER'S HOTEL IN THERE TOO.
BUT I, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION, WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT OUR DESIGNATION A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S, THAT'S A STRUCTURAL PIECE, BUT WELL, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT LACAK IN THE REALM OF WHAT IT DID FOR SEDONA.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY CULTURALLY IMPORTANT YEAH.
AS THIS THING, THIS IDEA OF BRINGING, UM, BUILDING A BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE LIVED UPSTAIRS WHO WERE ARTISTS AND SHOWED THEIR GOODS DOWNSTAIRS.
SO IT WAS REALLY THIS, THIS THING THAT WE OUGHT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS DOWN AREN'T NECESSARILY JUST A BUILDING.
SO, UM, OUR, OUR DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN DISTRICTS.
SO I THINK WE COULD THINK ABOUT ANOTHER DESIGNATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE A SIGNIFICANT LANDMARK FOR, UM, THE IDEA AND THE AREA.
THEY CREATED THE ART DISTRICT, FRANKLY.
WELL, AND I THINK ACTUALLY IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT OUR DESIGNATIONS AND WHAT WE CAN, THE CRITERIA, WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THAT.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS JUST GO AND TALK TO HER ABOUT HOW SHE FEELS ABOUT, I, SHE VERY WELL MIGHT SAY THAT THE PHASE ONE WOULD WORK, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH HER AND DISCUSS IT.
SHE, SHE, SHE, YOU DON'T WANT TO LANDMARK A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA CHANGE AND, AND IT, IT SHOULD CHANGE REALLY.
AND, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK YOU'LL GO DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT THE BELL TOWER IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE, THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
LET'S TAKE THE EASY ROUTE TO DO THAT.
BUT LET'S THINK ABOUT WHEN WE DO THAT SOMEHOW WRITING IT IN A SENSE THAT WE DESIGNATE THE BELL TOWER, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ENTIRE IDEA, THE STRUCTURE AND THE HISTORY.
AND I THINK WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THAT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN, IN THE, THE HISTORY OF THE LANDMARK OF MARKING OF IT.
BUT THE BELL TOWER IS KIND OF THE MAGNET FOR ALL OF IT.
BECAUSE THEY USE THE BELL TOWER AND THEIR LOGO.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT'S RECOGNIZED FIRST.
AND SO YOU CAN BUILD THE STORY ALL AROUND THAT MM-HMM.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UM, WE TALKED ALSO ABOUT THE, UM, THE MEDO HOME, BUT I THINK THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS THAT IS WORKING ON THAT HOME RIGHT NOW, AND HE WANTS TO COME BACK TO US IN THE FUTURE WITH THAT.
I THINK HE'S KIND OF OVERWHELMED JUST WITH TRYING TO I KNOW.
I THINK HE'S WANTING TO MAKE SURE HE IS TRYING, TRYING TO KEEP IT FROM LEAKING AND I KNOW.
SO, BUT I, BUT I THOUGHT WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY WAS JUST TALK ABOUT THESE TWO LANDMARKS AND, AND IN A MOMENT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, THE MONIES THAT WE HAVE AND WHICH ONE WE, WE, AND THEN WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY ABOUT WHICH ONE WE GO AFTER, BUT WE PROBABLY CAN AT OUR NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
AM I CORRECT WITH THAT, DONNA? IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN, UM, FOR DISCUSSION? IT'S JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
AND SO I, YEAH, I THINK SIMILARLY DO WE WANT TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DO THE SURVEY, UM, BUT WE COULD DO AN INITIAL, MAYBE PRELIMINARY SURVEY, BUT THE THREE POINTS THAT, THAT ARE REQUIRED OF THE SURVEY, RIGHT.
SO, UM, A PERSON, UM, OR ARCHITECTURE.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH WHAT YOU GUYS JUST DESCRIBED IS, UM,
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HOW IT'S INFLUENCED SEDONA DEVELOPMENT.WELL, LET'S TALK TO, UM, THE OWNERS.
SHE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO HER BOARD.
AND YOU KNOW, AND SO SHE'LL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE BOUNDARIES CLEAR.
AND IF SHE AGREES TO THAT, THEN I THINK WE JUST GO AHEAD AND WHO'S SHE? UM, LI WENDY LIPMAN.
IS HARRY INVOLVED IN THAT AT ALL? OR JUST, JUST HER.
AND, YOU KNOW, SHE REPRESENTS OWNERSHIP.
SHE, SHE'S ONE OF THE OWNERS, BUT SHE REPRESENT AND I KNOW THEM WELL ENOUGH.
SHE'LL BE VERY PRECISE AND SHE'LL BE VERY CAREFUL.
AND SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR IN WHAT IT KIND IT WAS.
SO WE SHOULD JUST SIT OUT AND TALK TO HER.
CAUSE THE ONE QUESTION SHE SAID WAS, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE GUY THAT HABITATS THE INSIDE OF THIS IS, IS THAT GONNA BE A PROBLEM? AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE INSIDE.
OH, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE OUTSIDE.
SHE SAID, WELL, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE OUTSIDE TOO.
I WANT, YOU KNOW, AND I SAID, WELL, AND THAT'S EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED, THAT'S THE, LIKE CYNTHIA SAID, WE NEED TO PROBABLY DO BOTH OF THESE.
WE COULD DO OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A COUPLE OF US GO OUT, DO OUR OWN SURVEY FIRST.
SO, QUICK QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOLAC HOCKEY AND HOW DO WE GENERATE, UH, HOW DO WE JUST LITERALLY GUIDE PEOPLE ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE, THE PATH THAT YOU'VE CREATED ALL THE WAY UP AND UPTOWN.
HOW DO WE NOW DESIGNATE COWBOY CLUB AND OTHERS ALL THROUGHOUT TOWN TO CREATE, LET'S SAY THAT? WELL, AND THAT'S PATH ACTUALLY THAT WE CAN'T LANDMARK THEM.
SO THAT ACTUALLY IS OUTSIDE OF THIS, THIS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA GO INTO THE, THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE, THE PLAQUE EVENT.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE RECOGNITION THOUGH.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU WORK INTO THE FUTURE HERE, WHERE IS OUR PLAN TO ACTUALLY BUDGET THIS AND JUST CONTINUE? IT'S LATER IN THE GOING.
WELL, WE HAVE THE BUDGET AS, AS AN ITEM.
WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A BIG MASTER PLAN.
WELL, LET'S DO THAT BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SO MANY YEARS THAT I'D LOVE TO JUST GET IT DONE.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK, YEAH.
BUT THAT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO NOW IS TAKE A LOOK AT WHICH, WHICH, UM, WHICH LANDMARKS WE WANTED TO LOOK AT.
SO LET'S GO ON THEN TO B DISCUSSION REGARDING RECOGNITION PROGRAM, PLAQUE.
YOU SAID SKIPPED, UH, COME BACK TO BE.
NO, WE CAN, CAUSE WE NEED TO GET THROUGH WITH, UM, YEAH, CYNTHIA.
SEE A DISCUSSION REGARDING POTENTIAL CLG QUESTIONS OR AREAS OF INTEREST FOR CONFERENCE.
SO WHERE DO YOU GO BACK TO THE THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I WAS LIKE, OK, YOU TOLD ME THE OTHER BEFORE, BUT, OK, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PLAY IT WHICHEVER WAY.
THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM, CLOCK AND EVENT.
I THINK YOU, YOU'VE TALKED TO BEERS, SO WE HAVE THAT SORT OF IN, IN LINE.
UM, AND I, AND AGAIN, WE'RE SORT OF LOOKING AT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE, BUT, UM, HAVE, AND HAVE YOU ALSO, THE TWO OF YOU ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE, THE, THE COWBOY CLUB AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE STILL IN INTERESTED IN DOING THIS KIND OF THING? YEAH.
LAST TIME I TALKED TO CHASE, HE GAVE ME THE, THE UPDATE OF WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE PLAQUE.
AND THAT WAS TURNED OVER TO CYNTHIA.
SO, SO WE'RE PRETTY, I DON'T WHAT THE, SO DO WE HAVE THE PLAQUE? WE HAVE TO ORDER THE PLAQUE
UM, UM, I'LL, I'LL TAKES ABOUT 10, 10, 15 DAYS.
ALSO CHECK THE PRICING AGAIN, BECAUSE ALMOST EVERYTHING NOWADAYS HAS GONE UP IN PRICE.
IT'LL BE ABOUT ABOUT $900 IF IT'S ABOUT YAY BIG.
I JUST ORDERED ONE TWO WEEKS AGO.
NO, THIS IS A DIFFERENT, THIS IS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO BRONZE.
AND THAT WAS, THAT'S LIKE 150.
THAT'LL, IF I RECALL, THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME LOOK AT WHETHER THE LANGUAGE COULD BE REDUCED IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR PICTURE OR SOMETHING.
THERE WAS SO MUCH VERBIAGE THAT RIGHT.
HE WANTED, NEEDED TO BE TO THAT SIGN.
UM, AND HE WAS, I MEAN, HE WAS KIND OF LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED, DON.
I DON'T
IS THAT WHAT HE WANTED TO ADD? UM, LOOKING FOR TEXT ABOUT THE, UM, THE MOVIES, RIGHT.
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OH, OKAY.WE MIGHT HAVE TO CONDENSE THINGS A LITTLE JUST TO SQUEEZE IT IN.
SQUEEZE IT IN, AND NOT HAVE IT LOOKED, LOOK CROWDED.
OR IS THERE ANY WELL SEE TOO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY, YOU DON'T WANNA GET IT TOO BIG EITHER, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE SPACE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING, THEY GONNA PUT IT INSIDE, OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE.
I THINK THERE'S A GLASS FRAME.
IS THAT WHERE THEY'RE THINKING OF PUTTING IT? YEAH.
I, THERE'S ALSO A, A PART UP NEXT THE DOOR, WHICH THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THEM SOMEWHAT STANDARDIZED.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO DO.
DO THE SAME SIZE SO THAT WHEN YOU BLOCK AND IT HAS SOME SIMILARITY, SO THAT EVERY TIME YOU SAW ONE, YOU KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WAS SORT OF A SUCCESSION OF THEM, SORT OF LIKE WHAT KURT'S SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO I HAVE A SUCCESSION OF THESE THINGS SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD GO FROM ONE TO THE NEXT AND KNOW THAT THEY WERE ALL SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING WHEN YOU HAVE A BUILDING AND IT SAYS BUILT IN 1953, THAT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY.
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AN ARTIST IN HIS WORK AND IT'S VISUAL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER WHOLE THING.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ REAL QUICK?
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT, WHAT BOB HAD SENT, UM, THAT THE GILL GOS ASKED FOR.
MAKE SURE, SO YOU DEFINITELY WANTED TO ADD INFO ON THE FILMS. UM, SO HE IS GOT OAK CREEK TAVERN ENJOYING MARKET, BEGAN SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE FORTIES, BECOMING THE CENTER OF SEDONAS SOCIAL LIFE.
IT SERVED AS MEETING PLACE, POOL HALL, SAL, GROCERY STORE FOR RESIDENCE OF TOURISTS.
DURING THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES.
OVER 50 PHONES WERE SHOT IN SEDONA.
UM, DURING THIS PERIOD, ACTOR SUCH AS JOHN WAYNE, GLEN FORD FOR LANCASTER, JAMES STEWART, AND JOAN CRAWFORD FREQUENTED THE ESTABLISHMENT.
IN 1965, THE COWBOY ARTIST OF AMERICA WAS FOUNDED IN THE OAK CREEK TAVERN ARTIST.
CHARLIE DYE, JOHN HAMPTON GEORGE STRIP SOUGHT TO ESTABLISH A GROUP OF ARTISTS DEDICATED TO QUALITY AND AUTHENTIC FINE ART PORTRAYING THE LAST, UM, IN 33, THE RESTAURANT WAS ESTABLISHED OH, I SEE.
WITHIN THE HISTORIC TOWER AND CONTINUES TO CARRY IT FORWARD, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
HOW BIG, HOW BIG IS SIGN? HAVE A LOT OF, THAT'S A LOT OF, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAD WRITTEN ON THE SIGN.
BUT IT, I THINK IT WAS AROUND THAT.
IT'S ABOUT, IT'S THE SAME SIZE AS THE ONE WE HAVE AT THE, UM, AS FAR ON CARD BARN.
UM, THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF JANINE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEND IT OUT AND HAVE IT MOCKED UP TO LOOK AT IT ALL YOU CAN REALLY DO.
AND MAYBE WE JUST CONDENSE DOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, COWBOY ART OF AMERICA WAS FOUNDED AT THE TOP ROOM.
OR DO YOU NEED TO SAY IT TAKES THAT LONG SENTENCE AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE PUSH IT DOWN OUTSIDE.
IT'S OUTSIDE THE, IN THEIR BUILDING.
OUTSIDE THEIR BUILDING, OUTSIDE THE BUILDING ON THE WALL.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO LIST ALL OF THE VARIOUS USES.
I, I WOULD JUST, MANY FAVORS MOVIE STARS, LIKE LIST JOHN WAYNE.
YOU KNOW, BUT YOU DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA REALLY DEPEND ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA ACCEPT IT TOO.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS.
BUT I THINK IF WE DO THE MOCK UP AND WE SHOW IT TO THEM AND IT'S TOO SMALL AND YOU CAN'T READ IT, I THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY MAY BE WILLING TO HELP US.
YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT TAKE, YOU MIGHT TAKE A LOOK AT MY PLAQUE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, BOB? YOU, YOU, YOU'RE DEALING WITH THEM ON THIS, SO, WELL, I, I'M THINKING HOW MANY OF THESE DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE ONE AT THE ART BARN.
THIS IS GONNA BE OUR SECOND ONE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO ERROR ON THE SIDE, I WOULD MAKE IT LARGER.
AND BECAUSE THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO, AS YOU FOUND OTHER PROPERTIES, YOU COULD LIST MORE INFORMATION ON IT RATHER MAKE IT SMALLER THAN FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE STARRED THIS WHOLE THING OFF AND HAD THIS SIZE AND THE PICTURE OF THIS SIZE AND THIS TEXT, RATHER THAN SAYING, UH, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN LOOKING BACK AND SAYING WHY WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD WOULD THINK ABOUT MARKING IT UP, SETTING IT UP, SEEING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND IF IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
SO WHAT I MEAN YEAH, YOU MAYBE CHECK INTO, UM, WHAT SIZE OF SPACE THEY HAVE YEAH.
TO FIT IT IN SO THAT I CAN PHOTOGRAPH, CHECK THE RIGHT SIZE SO IT FITS THE SPACE.
BUT HE'S GOT THOSE LITTLE THINGS IN THE WALL THAT GO ACROSS.
SO HE PART PUT BETWEEN IT'S THREE.
IF YOU, IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH A SIZE, THEN WE CAN, THEN WE CAN START TRYING TO FIT IT
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IN.I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US MAKING IT BIGGER.
IT SHOULD, WE NEED IT TO LOOK THE SAME.
SO WE HAVE, BUT MOST PEOPLE WON'T SAY, OKAY, THIS IS 17 INCHES WIDE.
IS THAT 18 INCHES? WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, I, I DOUBT THAT ANYBODY'S GONNA GO FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER AND SORT OF BE MEASURING WHAT, WHAT THE SIZE IS.
SO I THINK BOB HAS A REALLY GOOD POINT THERE.
I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AND WE'RE JOINED BY SCOTT JOB LO, OUR CITY COUNCILMAN HERE.
SO GINNY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I, I CAN CHEAT JOIN US HERE OR IS THAT IT UP FOR THE CHAIRS? THE CHAIR? YES.
JANINE, IF YOU HAVE THE CHAIRS, IT'S IN MY
UH, JANINE LL SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
I JUST THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BRING UP A, THIS HPC I THOUGHT PUT A BRONZE PLAQUE ON THAT BUILDING A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO FOR RECOGNITION WHEN WE PUT THE BRONZE PLAQUE ON THE ART CENTER AND WE PUT THE BRONZE PLAQUE ON THE LAMB SHOPS.
AND THERE ARE ABOUT SIX BUILDINGS IN UPTOWN MM-HMM.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF THAT ONE IS STILL THERE BECAUSE SO HAVE, SHOULD THEY BE ASKED IF THEY REMOVED IT AND WHERE IT IS? BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAS A CERTAIN PART OF THE STORY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE ARE THOSE, THE LITTLE ONE.
AND AGAIN, THERE WAS ONE ON THE SIDE OF SAC.
ONE ON THE SIDE OF, UM, THE LAND SHOPS.
THE, NO, YOU GUYS, I, I THOUGHT THE TWO OF YOU WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED AND WHAT NEEDED.
SO DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING THESE AT ALL? BRONZE PLOT? I REMEMBER THE LAND SHOP, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER SEEING, CAUSE I GOT PHOTOS OF, OF YOU.
I'M PRETTY SURE WE HAVE PHOTOS SOMEWHERE.
BUT ANYWAY, I I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU FOUND THAT ROUNDS PLAQUE AND IT ALREADY TELLS SOME OF THE STORY YOU DON'T NEED, SO YOU NEED TO REVIEW.
AND THE OTHER THING YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO OR JUST HAVE IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, IF, WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS ON SOME OF THIS KIND OF THING, YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK YOUR FACTS, NOT JUST ACCEPT WHAT THEY SAY, WHAT THEY SAY.
UH, IN THE CASE OF THE MOVIE STARS THAT WERE NAMED, I'M NOT SURE ANY OF THOSE MOVIE STARS WERE HERE MAKING MOVIES AFTER PLACE.
I THINK SOME OF THEM MIGHT HAVE DID BEFORE IT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SOURCE YOUR FACTS.
NOT BECAUSE SOMETIMES A PROPERTY OWNER, ESPECIALLY A BUSINESS OWNER, BUT IT'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THEIR FIRST BUILDING, GET VERY WRAPPED UP IN A STORY.
AND SOMETIMES IT IS THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IF YOU PUT OUT FACTUAL MATERIAL, WHAT YOU DID TO BRIAN AND, AND, AND, AND, AND ACTUALLY TOO.
IF THE, IF THE OTHER PLAQUE HAS SOME OF THIS INFORMATION, THE PROBLEM WE MAY HAVE IS THE, THE BUSINESS OWNER AGAIN MAY SAY, WELL, IT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD THAT
BUT IT, IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO AND, AND, AND, AND DISCOVERY.
AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A RECORD OF ALL THOSE CUZ I, I, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT I'M AWARE OF.
SO ANYWAY, SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY.
IF YOU'RE GONNA BE TAKING A PHOTO YEAH.
AND ALSO I HAVE, UH, AN INVENTORY OF ALL OF THE INTERPRETING PLAQUES AND SIGNS.
CUZ YOU HAVE THAT INVENTORY AND I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT INVENTORY IN IN THAT INVENTORY, BUT IT MAY BE IN THERE.
YOU DID A BRILLIANT JOB, BOB, OF THAT INVENTORY.
OH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, UH, THAT JEANINE PARTICIPATED IN HERE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT LET, LET'S PROCEED THAT WAY.
UM, UM, I AND I THANK YOU BOB FOR ALL OF THE WORK YOU PUT IN FIGURING THAT OUT.
AND I THANK YOU JACK FOR GETTING, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE, BOTH OF YOU, FOR GETTING IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO THIS AGAIN.
WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT WITH OUR, OUR DISCUSSION OF, UH, MONIES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE WORK, WORK PROGRAM FOR THE REST OF US OUR YEAR LATER ON IN OUR, UM, LATER ON IN OUR AGENDA.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADD? OKAY.
BOB'S GONNA GET THE SIZE RIGHT ONCE HE GETS THE SIZE WHO'S DOING WHAT? OH, THEN HE'S GOING, HE'S GOING TO GIVE THAT INFORMATION, UM, UH, TO CYNTHIA AND, AND CYNTHIA'S GONNA LOOK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS ARE YOU DOING THE LAYOUT ON US OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE? WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE A LAYOUT, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FIGURING OUT, POPPING THE REST.
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THAT AND CONDENSING IT DOWN.SO, AND I'LL JUST DO A NEW DRAFT AND KNOW THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY.
I THINK IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
SO, UM, NOW YOU WANT ME TO GET GO TO D NOW, RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT, DONNA? YES.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN SKIPPING SEAT.
WE'LL GO BACK TO C BUT LET'S GO TO D DISCUSSION ABOUT PAPERS REGARDING THE STATUS OF THE RAG STATION BARN.
UM, NOW NATE MYERS WAS GONNA BE HERE.
WELL, WELL HE CAN'T THE ROAD, UH, ROAD FROM PHOENIX SHUT DOWN AND I GUESS HE COULDN'T MAKE OH, OKAY.
THAT'S, HE HAD, THEY HAD A, A TERRIBLE ACCIDENT ON IT.
UM, I, IT WAS ME FOR A LITTLE BIT.
I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD AND OFF 10 YEARS PROBABLY, BUT I'VE BEEN OFF THE LAST COUPLE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL PEOPLE AND AT, YOU KNOW, ITERATIONS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
AND I KIND OF WANTED TO GET UP TO SPEED.
IS IT GOING TO BE A HISTORIC THEMED PARK OR IS IT GOING TO BE JUST A PARK? AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'D HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE IS THAT THE, THE, THE, UM, MUSEUM IS TIGHT ON SPACE FOR STORAGE AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A LOT OF JANINE CAN CHIP IN, BUT NO, THEY HAVE A LOT OF ARTIFACTS THAT THEY, THEY NEED A HOME FOR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THE IDEA OUT A LITTLE BIT THAT GET SOME INPUT.
IS THAT WHITE BUILDING? CAN WE USE SOME OF IT DOWN THE LINE FOR, FOR STORAGE FOR IT? AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE LITTLE, UM, OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE PERFECT FOR OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF THE MUSEUM TO THINK ABOUT BEING IN OFFICE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND SEE WHERE, WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT IT, I THOUGHT IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE, IF IT'S GONNA BE A HISTORIC THEMED PARK, TO HAVE THE PARK KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR DIRECTOR KIND OF THERE, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN THE CITY BUILDINGS.
DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER SEEING THE MASTER PLAN YEARS AGO? MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S A MASTER PLAN FOR THE PARK.
UM, THE CITY HAS, UH, PUSHED UP THE BUILDING OF THE PARK A LITTLE BIT FROM OUR ORIGINAL SCHEDULE.
IT'S REALLY NOT THAT FAR OFF BY WE FINISH.
UM, SO AS YOU PROBABLY NOTICED, THEY HAVE FINISHED THE EXTERIOR RENOVATION OF BOTH THE RANGERS HOUSE AND THE BARN.
UM, AND SO NEXT UP IS THE INTERIOR.
UM, AND SO THAT WILL BE THIS FISCAL YEAR RIGHT NOW.
AND WE ARE STARTING WITH THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS CALLING FOR BOTH BUILDINGS TO BE COMMUNITY ORIENTED, UM, BUILDINGS FOR ACTIVITIES, EVENTS, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AND SO INTERNALLY WE ARE MEETING, UM, WITH STAFF FROM PARKS AND RECREATION.
WE'VE GOT PUBLIC WORKS AND THE ENGINEERS THAT WILL BE OVERSEEING, UM, THE WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE.
UM, AND SO NEXT STEP WE HAVE ONE MORE MEETING WITH STAFF AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU ALL OUT THERE AND GET YOUR INPUT.
SO I'M THINKING JUST LIKE A WORK SESSION, FIELD TRIP SITE VISIT.
UM, I WILL CHECK WITH THEM AS FAR AS TIMING BECAUSE OUR NEXT MEETING IS WHATEVER IT IS, NOVEMBER 10TH, NINTH OR SOMETHING.
UM, IF THEY NEED IT SOONER THEN, THEN I'LL CONTACT YOU GUYS.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, LET'S, LET'S SAY PROBABLY OUR NEXT NOVEMBER MEETING, UM, WHERE WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO CHECK INTO, UM, WOULD BE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY REMOVING JUST ONE WALL MORE TO OPEN THAT.
UM, AND THAT, BUT THE CAVEAT, AND THIS IS WHY THIS STAFF IS MEETING RIGHT NOW, IS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET BUILDING CODES AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, YOUR ENTRY AND EXIT.
YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE, WHERE WILL THOSE BE? UM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO USE THE BUILDING? UM, THINGS LIKE THE HORSE STALLS AT THE BACK.
UH, WE PROBABLY WANT TO KEEP 'EM LOOKING LIKE HORSE STALLS.
UM, SO ANYWAY, WE CAN WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH IT AND TALK ABOUT IT.
THE, UM, UPSTAIRS, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN THERE YEAH.
BETWEEN RECENTLY, BUT THE STAIRS HAVE BEEN WHERE MOVED.
THOSE WERE CERTAINLY NOT TO CODE
AND SO THE THOUGHT AT THIS POINT WAS TO JUST LEAVE IT AS IS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE COULDN'T USE THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST THINKING OF FOR
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STORAGE.BECAUSE YOU COULD PROBABLY LIKE LOAD THE, THE HAY BAS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT UPSTAIRS.
JUST I WANTED TO THROW THE IDEA OUT.
SO WHEN THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING'S IN THERE AND THROW, THAT'S WHY IF, IF, IF THAT IS A CASE, YOU KNOW, AND SOMEBODY AFTER THE FACT GOES, DAMN, I WISH I KNEW.
SO, SO WE CAN LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE IDEAS WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE.
I'LL PROBABLY MAKE SURE OUR, UM, BUILDING SAFETY OFFICIAL CAN COME WITH US.
CAUSE THERE'S, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE SOME REAL ISSUES WITH BUILDING A NEW STAIRWELL.
AND OUR THOUGHT WAS, DO WE EVEN NEED TO TO THINK ABOUT THAT? WE DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC GOING OFF THERE ANYWAY.
WELL, YOU, YOU CAN USE THE HAAL.
THAT, ARE YOU GONNA LEAVE THE CAGES UP THERE? UM, I THINK THEY ALREADY TOOK THOSE OUT.
DID THEY TAKE THEM OUT? I BELIEVE THEY DID, YEAH.
SO THE, I GUESS THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, IS IT REALLY A HISTORY SCENE PARK OR IS THAT JUST A WORD THAT WE THREW AROUND? IT'S NOTING THAT MAKES THE SOUND LIKE I KNOW.
NO, SO THE DESIGN OF THE PARK, I WOULDN'T SAY HISTORY THEMED, BUT THE INTENT IS THAT IT SHOULD NOT CONTRADICT THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE PARK MM-HMM.
AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE YEAH.
AND THAT I WOULD SAY YOU, I THINK YOU PUT IT ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY THAT THAT WAY THAT WE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE WANT THE BUILDINGS, CERTAINLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LANDMARK, WE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE, THE CONFINES OF MAINTAINING THEM AT, SO IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, OH, I UNDERSTAND.
SO YOU'RE THINKING THE PARK WILL BE MORE RURAL IN, IN KEEPING BECAUSE OF THE BUILDINGS OR OLD 1930 BUILDINGS.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE BANTERED AROUND THE IDEA OF ART HISTORY AND OTHER THINGS AROUND THE EDGES, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF AND JUMP IN HERE, BUT DOWN THE STREET NO, THE DO A MOVEMENT STARTED ON BREWER ROAD WITH, UH, WHO WAS MAX ERNST.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS GOING ON, BUT MAX T AND HIS AND HIS GIRLFRIEND, UH, YEAH.
USED TO WORK EVERY SUMMER, UH, IN SEDONA DOWN THE STREET.
THEY WOULD, UH, LOAD UP A U-HAUL AND THEY WOULD GO TO TEXAS AND MEET, UM, PEGGY GOIT GUGGENHEIM, WHO BASICALLY RULED THE ART WORLD IN THE FIFTIES.
AND THEN THEY WOULD GO TO NEW YORK AND SELL WHATEVER SHE DIDN'T BUY.
UM, SO I MEAN, YOU COULD, THEY HAVE THAT FAMOUS STATUE OF THE, THE, THE TWO PEOPLE STANDING NEXT TO EACH OTHER WITH THE BIG WINGS.
SO YOU, WE COULD DO SOMETHING THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT NOT JUST THE FOUNDING FATHERS OR THE, THE FOUNDING FARMERS, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK HAVING A LITTLE THOUGHT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS LIKE TO GO SOMEPLACE AND GO, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON THE FIRST FAMILIES.
UH, AND, BUT THAT WHOLE IDEA OF WHITE, THE WHITE BUILDING, I'M BEHIND IT.
PEOPLE ASK ME ALL THE TIME AND I SAID, OH, CCC, OH, WHAT'S THE CCC? MM-HMM.
WHAT'S THAT LITTLE BUILDING THERE? THAT'S THE FEDERAL BUILDING.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WILL DEFINITELY BE PARTNERING, PARTNERING WITH A STARK SOCIETY.
UM, SO THE MASTER PLAN CULTURE, INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE THAT CAN TELL THESE STORIES SIMILARLY INSIDE THE BUILDINGS, WE CAN HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
UM, THE HOUSE BEFORE THEY STARTED, UM, RENOVATING, WE HAD FROM AN EARLIER EVENT, THE HISTORIC PHOTOS.
AND SO I THINK WE, WE'LL DO THAT AGAIN.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE KIND OF A, PROBABLY A PART TO, UM, AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE RENOVATIONS, BUT DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS, THE NEXT TIME WE GO OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, LET'S BRING UP ALL OF THOSE IDEAS SO THAT IF THERE IS ANYTHING AS THEY RENOVATE, THEY NEED TO BE KEEPING IN MIND.
I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT IF WE COULD HAVE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY STATIONED OR WORKING OUT OF THAT LITTLE BUILDING, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE OTHER WORDS.
EVEN IF IT WAS AN OFFICE THAT THE ARTS PEOPLE USED OR THE LITTLE, ONLY BECAUSE WE'D HAVE SOMEBODY ON SITE DURING THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THERE BE, WELL THAT, AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WITH THE HOUSE, THERE'S ONLY TWO BUILDINGS, THOSE FARM IN THE HOUSE AND THE HOUSE WAS ALSO GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY BUILDING.
AND THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE GO OUT THERE ARE, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT PUTTING IN THE FULL KITCHEN, FOR EXAMPLE.
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IF IT IS USED FOR MEETINGS AND THAT SORT OF THING, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE SURE.WE DON'T WANT STOVE, NO FULL FRIDGE, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO ARE LOOKING AT WHAT TYPE OF ELECTRICITY ARE WE GONNA WANT PUT IN THERE? LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE BARN, DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF COOLING OR DO WE JUST GO WITH VANS? UM, SO THERE ARE DECISIONS LIKE THAT THAT WILL TIE IN TO HOW IT'S USED, WHICH THEY USED.
UM, BUT THERE IS A SHORTAGE AROUND TOWN OF MEETING SPACES MM-HMM.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY FULFILL A NEED.
UM, SO YEAH, FOR MEETING SPACE IT'D BE GREAT.
IF, IF IT WAS DONE RIGHT AND YOU COULD BOOK IT.
CAUSE LIKE I KNOW I, I BOOK THE O COUNCIL AND I HAVE A HORRIBLE TIME FINDING PLACE EVERY MONTH.
I'VE GOTTA KIND OF MOVE AROUND.
AND IT'D BE NICE IF THE ARCH COUNCIL COULD MEET ONCE A MONTH AT A PLACE.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF GROUPS THAT AFTER THAT, THAT, AND I THINK THAT, THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED, THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO BE SORT OF INVOLVED IN SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY USE THOSE SPACES IN THOSE BACK, IN THOSE, IN THOSE MANAGE MATTERS.
THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT COMMUNITY INPUT IS LIKE, LIKE MAKING SAUSAGE.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DON'T TAKE NO, NO, I GET IT.
IT'S JUST THAT I THINK IF YOU GO INTO A PLAN SOMETIMES WITH A CLEAR VIEW, THEN YOU ASK FOR INPUT.
BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CLEAR VIEW, YOU ASK FOR INPUT, YOU GET SAUSAGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT CYNTHIA IS GOING TO BE DOING, ASKING US TO GO IN THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND, AND SORT OF GIVE FEEDBACK FROM US AND THEN SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE.
SO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WE'LL LET YOU KNOW ABOUT SCHEDULING ONE WALK THROUGH.
AND, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I, AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE HERE THAT WE NEED TO COVER WITH YOU, CYNTHIA? CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE A LAPPING MEETING HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO AGENDA SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK.
WELL, YOU CAN DO THAT WITH US.
UM, NO, I THINK BRENT, DONNA, YOU, YOU GUYS GOT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A REAL THANK YOU, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I, THE TIME HAS BEEN I WITH HER
UH, BOB, YOU HAVE ONE? YEAH, I JUST WOULD KNOW, WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT IF I PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL, UH, FOR, I'VE GIVEN THIS A LOT OF THOUGHT FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE BARN AND USE OF THE, UM, OF THE RANGER STATION.
WHICH IS ACTUALLY VERY CLOSE TO WHAT STEVE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK, UM, THAT'S A GOOD STORY.
IT WOULD, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR ALL OF US TO PRETHINK THIS AND NOT BE TRYING TO DO IT AT THE LAST MINUTE.
SO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THAT'S A PERFECT IDEA.
THAT'S EXACTLY, I WAS ALL OF US IF WE WANNA DO THIS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE GET THERE AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FLAT FOOTED.
START WITH A GOOD IDEA THAT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING 20 PEOPLE SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO I LIKE, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH OF US THAT HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MISTAKEN.
BUT WAS THERE MULTIPLE VIEWPOINT STUDIES AND EVERYTHING TURNED IN BEFORE? I THINK, WELL, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT.
AND I ALSO THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING, THAT, THERE WAS A HICCUP ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT HAD TO BE EDUCATIONAL, SO MM-HMM.
I WOULD MAYBE SAY, WHY DON'T WE WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE WALKTHROUGH.
UM, UNTIL, BUT I THINK TO PUT YOUR IDEAS DONE ON PAPER.
IDEAS DOWN ON PAPER AND HE CAN BRING THEM.
BUT I THINK I, BUT THE THING IS, THAT MAY CHANGE AS WE SEE WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING AT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO BE AWARE.
THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T, IF WE DECIDE TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE, WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO LET THAT CHANGE IF IT NEEDS TO BE.
AND I'M SURE, BOB, YOU WOULD FEEL THAT WAY TOO.
SO THE BEST IDEA GETS THE LAND.
I THINK WE HAD MULTIPLE STUDIES BEFORE THAT THEY'VE PROBABLY ALREADY LOOKED AT IN PUBLIC WORKS.
SO IF YOU BRING YOUR COMMENTS TO THE WORK SESSION, THEN, THEN WE CAN SEE IF THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
BECAUSE THE, WE DIDN'T WANT YOU SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND FIND OUT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SO MANY YEARS.
JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS TALKED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T ZIG A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT HAVING A MEETING SPACE BESIDES THIS
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WOULD BE NICE.UH, AND WE COULD ALSO PUT ART IN THE WALLS.
YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE EVENT.
SO A MULTI-USE MEETING SPACE WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE MASTER PLAN, I THINK THAT I PLAN WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY COULD GET SERIOUS ABOUT THE USAGE UNTIL THEY GOT THE WALLS CLEANED OUT.
THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE WORKING WITH.
BUT IT MAY, BUT IT ALSO, IT STILL PROBABLY, IT ALSO HELPS THE ENGINEERS.
WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PUT THE POWER? EXACTLY.
AND WHERE THEY GONNA PUT THE, THE WALL, YOU KNOW, IF THEY KIND OF KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BUILD IT IN INSTEAD OF AFTER THE FACT.
NO, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT AFTER THE FACT.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT I'D LIKE TO ALSO TALK PARKS AND RECREATION A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW THEY, THEY, THEY'RE RECREATIONIST.
AND, AND I'M A LITTLE TOO CONCERNED THAT THE HISTORIC PART OF IT MAY GET LOST IN THE, OH, THIS, MAKE IT A SQUARE DANCE THINGY.
THAT'S WHY HPC WILL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA BE, I IMPORTANT PART OF, WE REALLY NEED TO BE A PART OF THE EACH STEP AS WE, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A PING PONG TABLE PLACE YEAH.
BUT I ALSO THINK WE SEE BOWLING ALLEY, IT COULD BE MANNED OR STAFFED WITH POSSIBLY USING THE SIT OAK PARK RANGERS TOO.
WELL, WE ALSO, I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE KNEW THAT PARKS AND RECREATION AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE NOW HOUSED AT BREWER.
THEY'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GET UP TO SPEED AND GET CAUGHT UP.
AND THANK YOU, UH, CYNTHIA, AND HAVE A WONDERFUL NEXT MEETING,
SO YOU CAN TEACH PEOPLE WHAT NOT TO DO,
SO WE WILL GO BACK THEN TO SEE DISCUSSION REGARDING CLG QUESTIONS OR AREAS OF ENTRANCE FOR THE CONFERENCE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY STEVE AND I AND KIP CUR ARE GOING TO THE CONFERENCE.
WE JUST WANTED TO ASK BOB AND JACK, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT US TO BE LOOKING AT THERE.
IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU WANT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH US, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, BECAUSE I MEAN, THE, THE, THE WHOLE, UH, UH, THE WHOLE SETUP, IT, WE HAVE BEEN SENTED I KNOW WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND I HAVEN'T GOT A CHANCE TO REALLY LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY, BUT, UM, WE'RE, IT'S GONNA BE NEXT WEEK.
AND I THINK IF THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU'D WANT US TO LOOK AT, UM, AND I THINK JACK ALREADY HAS PULLED OUT A LIST HERE.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE STATE IS DOING WITH THIS.
OH, THE NATIONAL MONUMENTS AND ANTI PLEASE READ THAT AND SAY THAT OUT LOUD FOR YOUR ONE TO HEAR.
THIS IS THE NATIONAL MONUMENTS AND ANTIQUITIES ACT UPDATED AUGUST 27TH, 2021.
SO, UH, SO THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TO THE, TO SHIPO, UH, IF THEY WERE GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
WELL, SO ARE THEY GONNA HAVE, DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANNA GIVE THAT TO ME? WHERE DO YOU WANNA KEEP THAT OR DO YOU WANT ME JUST TO, OH MY GOD, NO.
UM, THAT'LL BE AT THE LAWYER'S CONFERENCE.
YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A LINK ON LINE THAT WE CAN GO TO FOR THAT? UH, I BELIEVE THERE IS A LINK, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
SO HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU GONE THROUGH IT AT ALL? UM, NOT, NOT REALLY IN DEPTH, NO.
AND IT'S PROBABLY TO SOMETHING THE STATE DON'T HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, BUT THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CLG AND IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CLG THING, SHOULDN'T IT? YEAH.
IS THAT TRUE TO HISTORIC NATIONAL HISTORIC DEAL IN THE GROUND? IT'S PART OF THE, IT'S PART OF, I THINK, UH, THAT IS FAR.
UM, AND PARCEL OF THE WONDERFUL.
YOU GONNA GIMME ONE OR YOU'RE NOT YEAH, TAKE IT.
PASS HIM AROUND THE DARK CHOCOLATE.
SO, NO, I THINK THE, THE NATIONAL MONUMENTS AND THE ANTIQUITY BACK IS PART OF THE NATIONAL HISTORICAL, UM, WHAT IS THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE IN IN NATIONAL INTERIOR? INTERIOR OF INTERIOR.
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OR STUFF.SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICES, WHICH WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PEOPLE ARE UNDER.
SO YES, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD PERTAIN TO US IN ALL PROBABILITY.
SO WE, WE SHOULD SEE WHAT THEY HAVE.
I THINK KURT SHOULD GO TO THAT MEETING.
WHAT'S THAT? NATIONAL, THE TECHNICAL ONE?
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S ON WEDNESDAY.
THEY'RE GONNA DO THE CGS AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE PART OF THE CGS AND WE CAN ASK ABOUT IT TOO.
AND NOW, BOB, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE US TO, TO NO, NOT JUST BRING BACK WHAT WE BRING BACK AND WHAT WE CAN FIND OUT.
ONE THING, UM, OH, AND WE GET THE NEW IDEA.
POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING HPC WORK PROGRAM FOR THE PHYSICAL YEAR 2023, WHICH MEANS THIS IS THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT DONNA, YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT MONIES ARE LEFT IN OUR, OUR, OUR COFFERS TO ACTUALLY, UH, DO ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN JUST TALKING ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING.
UH,
IT'S NOT IN THE ANALYSIS CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T SPENT ANYTHING, BUT LET'S SEE ON THE BUDGET.
AND I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE LANDMARK THAT CYNTHIA WAS GONNA BE HERE FOR THIS OKAY.
PRINTING OF THE HR RESOURCE SURVEY OR THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY.
WE HAD NOT BUDGETED MONEY FOR THAT THIS YEAR BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T EXPECT THE UPDATE.
UM, WE HAVE PRINTING AN OFFICE SUPPLIES THAT WAS NOT BROKEN OUT BY INDIVIDUAL GROUP.
IT'S JUST UNDER THE PLANNING OF SEVEN 50 TOTAL.
BUT THAT'S FOR STAFF, FOR COMMISSIONS, EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND THEN THE
ON UPDATE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION SURVEY.
PREVIOUSLY WE HAD PUT IN NANCY BURGESS AND RECORDING FEES IS $6,000.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A COMBINED ACCOUNT OKAY.
AND THEN ALSO A, UM, ASSISTANT PLANNING CONSULTANT WAS GONNA BE THE MAJORITY OF THAT.
BUT THE LAST TIME WE USED NANCY BURGESS WAS ON THE MAD HOME AND SHE CHARGED US SIX, $600.
AND THAT WAS IN MARCH OF 2021.
THAT WAS, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY IN, IN THIS BUDGET, POSSIBLY DO, UH, THE, THE LANDMARK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 5,000 ROUGHLY, WELL, NOT US, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A COM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER INTENTION IS ON THE CONTRACTED ASSISTANT AND REPORTING FEES.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT AN EXCLUSIVE RIGHT.
DEDICATED ACCOUNT, BUT THAT'S THE TOTAL IN THAT BUDGET.
AND THAT'S ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ON OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, SUN DOWNER WOULD BE ANOTHER EASY ONE BECAUSE THEY'RE TOTALLY ON BOARD FOR HISTORICAL.
I THINK FIRST YOU WANNA FIND OUT WHAT NANCY'S GONNA CHARGE.
WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE, AND THEN, AND THEN IF SHE'S STILL DOING IT.
AND IF SHE'S STILL DOING IT, WELL, WE DID IT, WE DID
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'EM BEFORE.UM, WELL ACTUALLY THOUGH, IF WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY GO THE FULL, FULL BORE AND, AND MAKE THESE LANDMARKS, WE REALLY DO NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE, I THINK PROFESSIONALS LOOK AT IT.
UM, AND WE, WE HAVE TO TALK TO, TO NANCY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SHE'S NOW, SO WHAT, LET ME JUST ASK YOU THIS.
IN ORDER FOR US TO ACTUALLY MAKE THIS DECISION, DO YOU THINK WE, ONE OF US NEEDS TO TALK TO NANCY ABOUT THIS AND WELL, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE JUST PROCEED BASED UPON AVAILABLE FUNDS? I MEAN, WE, WE WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE WORK ORDER PLAN ON IT.
AND IF WE COME BACK AND NEXT MEETING SHE SAYS THERE'S NO MONEY, THEN WE OKAY.
SHE COULD REVIEW THEM AND SIGN OFF ON THEM.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD CUT.
THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND IF WE GO LOCAL TO HAVE 'EM MADE, THEY'RE COMPLETELY WEATHERPROOF.
WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE PLAQUES NOW.
WELL IF WE TRANSITION TO THAT, YES.
ON THE RETREAT, LANDMARK AND HISTORIC PRIDE EVENTS, YOU HAVE $500 BUDGETED.
AND HE WAS SAYING A PLAQUE WAS 900 OR SOMETHING.
NO, THAT WAS A BRAND, BUT THAT'S THE BRA BRONZE, YEAH.
RECOGNITION PLAQUES BY THEMSELVES.
AND I THINK AT THE TIME WARREN STARTED THAT, HE WAS LOOKING AT ABOUT 200 PER PLAQUE.
I THINK THAT'S TWO WOULD BE AS MUCH.
NOW IF THE PRICES DOUBLED, WE MAY HAVE TO LEAVE.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TRAINING TO GO TO YOUR CONFERENCE, WE HAVE 4,000, WHICH SHOULD COVER FOUR OR FIVE, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE, THE ONE, ONE, UH, AMOUNT THAT WOULD POSSIBLY COVER NANCY BURGESS, BUT ALSO HAS TO COVER, UH, THE, THE CONSULTANTS.
SO, UM, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO COST FOR NANCY TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT ANY OF THESE THINGS.
BUT LIKE, UH, JACK SAID WHAT WE COULD DO IS ASK HER.
SHE STILL IS GONNA DO SOME RESEARCH, SO IT'S STILL GONNA COST US SOMETHING.
BUT, UM, WHAT WE COULD DO IS CALL HER, TALK TO HER AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
WE WANT TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS.
IF WE GIVE YOU THIS INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? NOW SHE MAY SAY THAT IT'LL REALLY DEPEND FOR ME.
IF I WAS A CONSULTANT, I'D SAY IT REALLY WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT I RUN INTO WHEN I START LOOKING INTO THIS.
BUT WE COULD ACTUALLY ASK HER AND SEE IF SHE HAS A FEE THAT SORT OF IS A SET OR CLOSE TO A SET FEE FOR HER.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PROCEED AT THIS POINT? FOR THIS YEAR? YEAH.
THINK THAT YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT HER OH, HER CHARGE IS.
WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU ASK CYNTHIA TO DO THAT.
IF YOU COULD LET CYNTHIA HAVE CYNTHIA JUST LET US KNOW WHAT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST.
UM, TELL HER THAT WE ARE WILLING TO DO SOME OF THE FOOTWORK IF SHE NEEDS US TO.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE NEED TO GET THE COST DOWN, THEN WE COULD POSSIBLY DO BOTH OF THEM.
THE, UM, LYNN AT LYNN NS AND THE ALSO THE, UM, THE, THE PAC.
IF WE COULD DO BOTH OF THEM, IT WOULD BE NICE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE UNDER OUR BELT THIS YEAR.
I THINK PAC'S GONNA BE PRETTY EASY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT ONE'S GONNA BE HARD AT ALL.
AND I THINK THE OTHER ONE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UH, NANCY'S GONNA WANT TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT ALL OF THAT.
SO WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE CHECK THAT IN AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL WE'LL KNOW, MAKE A DECISION.
MOST OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED ON LACOCK, WE SHOULD GET FROM COCONINO COUNTY.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT.
IT'LL, IT'S HARDER ON THE KIVA HOUSE.
WE NEED TO KEEP THIS IN CONTEXT OF YOUR WORK PROGRAM.
SO, WELL, THE BROKE WORK PROGRAM, CAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY AT LEAST DOING ONE LANDMARK THIS YEAR.
NOW, I, I, UNFORTUNATELY I AM A BLUE BAG THAT I KEEP EVERYTHING IN AND MY CLEANING LADY PUT IT SOMEWHERE AND I CAN'T FIND IT.
SO I WAS GONNA LOOK THROUGH THAT TO SEE EXACTLY.
BUT I, MY MY FEELING WAS THAT WE HAD DECIDED THAT THIS WORK THIS YEAR BEFORE WE HIT, UM, THE BUDGETING, UH, TIME WAS TO BE, UH, ONE LANDMARK AND ONE RECOGNITION, UM, UH, PLAQUE.
AND THOSE WERE THE TWO THINGS WE WERE GONNA DO THIS YEAR.
WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE TO JUST KEEP IT TO ONE IN TERMS OF THE LA YOU KNOW, THE LANDMARKING AND THEN ASK FOR THE BUDGETING TO GO UP NEXT YEAR TO COVER THE LANDMARKING OF MAYBE TWO, MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WHATEVER WORKS.
AND WE TALKED GAME, IT'S JUST WHAT WE WANTED.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE OLD POST OFFICE AS WELL.
SO, WELL THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S ALL UP FOR SALE.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE TORE DOWN.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA TALK TO YOU ON THAT.
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I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.THERE'S THE CITIES BOUGHT EVERYTHING AROUND THAT EXCEPT THAT LITTLE STRIP.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S BECOMING, GRAB THAT ONE TOO.
POST OFFICE ACROSS FROM THE BIRD HOUSE.
IT'S ONE OF THE BUILDINGS OUT THERE.
CITY SHOULD BUY THAT BECAUSE THEY OWN EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO NOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR RECORDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THOSE TWO THINGS WERE IN OUR BUDGET FOR THIS HERE.
BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WITH THE BUDGET THAT YOU JUST, UH, REITERATED TO US THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY THERE.
EXCEPT THAT NANCY BURGESS WOULD'VE BEEN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR THAT LANDMARK, RIGHT.
400 FOR PLAQUE AND 500 PER LANDMARK.
AND THEN BURGESS WOULD COME UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHICH WAS THE $6,000 COMBINED THE COMBIND ACCOUNT.
SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT PLANNING HAD IN MIND WHEN THEY, THE WELL, WHEN THEY WORKED UP THAT NUMBER THAT WORKS, THAT IN, AND CYNTHIA CAN FIND OUT WHAT SHE CHARGES.
SO WHY DON'T WE FIND OUT THOSE THINGS.
BUT TE BUT, AND SINCE WE REALLY CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON THIS, MAYBE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.
IS IT NOT TRUE? I GUESS WHAT I NEED BACK, UM, IF WE CAN GET IT WITHIN THIS, UH, THIS BUDGET PERIOD, IF WE COULD GET, WELL, YOU'VE GOT SEVEN MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS.
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW, YOU MAY NOT BE USING ALL YOUR TRAINING MONEY.
THAT MIGHT BE KICKED BACK INTO WHAT PEOPLE GOING.
UM, I THINK FOR THE WORK PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT TO JUNE 30TH, THE 2023 IS TO PUT DOWN WHAT YOU WISH TO ACCOMPLISH, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE YOU STAND ON, ON BUDGET, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE OTHER ACCOUNTS THAT, THAT HOPKINS CAN SHIFT THINGS AROUND.
UM, HPC MONTH, I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I DID A PROCLAMATION BECAUSE I WAS, WAS ASKED TO.
BUT IN DOING THAT, I WAS ASKED WHAT THE COMMISSION PLAN TO DO FOR THAT MONTH.
SO I PUT THE PROCLAMATION OUT AND THAT WAS THE ONLY THING DONE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THAT POSITION OF SAYING, OH, THEY'RE GONNA DO X, Y, AND Z AND THEN COME UP WITH A ZERO.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN ITEM FOR YOU TO POSSIBLY ADDRESS IN YOUR WORK PROGRAM IS TO WHAT YOU, WHAT IS THAT? AND WHO'S GONNA DO IT OF NEXT YEAR IN MAY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE COULD DO? WE COULD, WE COULD ACTUALLY DESIGNATE OR HAVE SOMETHING DONE AT TAMOCK.
IF WE GET THAT DONE, WE COULD PROBABLY PRESENT.
LOVE THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT AS YOUR PRESENTATION AND THAT'S YOUR GOAL TO HIT.
AND WE COULD DO BOTH THOSE HOUSES.
AND THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR, OUR MONTH.
MAYBE HAVE AN OPEN A HOUSE AT BOTH OF 'EM.
AND THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR PROGRAM.
NOW, UM, AS WE'RE SITTING HERE TODAY, CAN WE ACTUALLY TELL YOU WHAT WE THINK? UH, PO WELL PO CAN WE MAKE THE, THE PROCLAMATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT OUR WORK PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR US TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO IT, BUT WE COULD, IF WE COULD AT AT LEAST HEAR ON ITEM NUMBER E, UM, SAY THAT WE ARE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE REMAINDER OF THIS, THIS FISCAL YEAR, IS THAT YOU'RE MISSING ALL THE GOOD STUFF.
YOU KNOW, WITH A SMILE LONG WISHLIST.
SO WHAT YOU REALIST, YOU WANT TO TARGET FORC MONTH? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO A PROCLAMATION, BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE HAPPEN.
WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE TRY? I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN LANDMARK TWO PLACES.
I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S GONNA, IN EIGHT MONTHS IN THAT'S, WE GOT, WE GOT A LOT OF TIME TO DO IT, BUT WE DON'T MEET EVERY MONTH.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S STILL BEING MEANS WORKING OFF CALENDAR.
WELL, BUT IF WE HIRE SOMEONE TO DO IT, I MEAN, YOU SAY WE WANT IT DONE BY FEBRUARY 31ST, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE PUT A GOAL OUT THERE YOU WORK FOR.
AND IF WE MISS IT, WE MISS IT.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, I WAS THINKING THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE ONE LANDMARK DONE IN THIS YEAR.
BECAUSE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR CLG IS THAT IF WE DON'T START DOING THIS, THEN WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH, THEN WE JUST SAY WE'RE GONNA DO.
SO JUST HAVE, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO.
SO I THINK IF WE WERE TO RIGHT NOW STATE THAT OUR, OUR, UM, WORKING PROGRAM, UH, UH, WORK PROGRAM FOR 2023 FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR IS TO, TO BRING THESE TWO LANDMARKS AS CLOSE TO COMPLETION AS WE
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CAN, THE COMPLETE ONE AT LEAST, AND WORK ON THE TWO OF THEM.AND IF WE CAN DO THE TWO OF THEM FINE.
AND THEN ALSO TALK ABOUT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE EVENT IN THE FALL FOR THE COWBOY CLUB, BUT THAT THERE, WE HAVE LIKE $500.
YOU COULD PUSH IT AND DO THAT SAME EVENT THAT SAME MONTH.
WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THE TWO OF THEM AND DO THE EVENT? YEAH.
THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR MONTH SIGNING UP TO DO.
I'M STEVE AND I SIT IN THESE SKINS, LIKE LET'S DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT.
AND FOR ANYTHING, LET'S DO IT.
NO, BUT NO, I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA HIRE SOMEONE TO DO THE WORK.
I MEAN, PART OF THE CONTRACT IS WE WANT IT DONE BY X EIGHT AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS MAKE THE AWARDS DURING THAT WEEK.
WELL, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU MIGHT BE DOING THAT'S FINE.
WE HAVE HEARD WHATEVER SHE, LET'S TALK TO HER AND SEE WHAT SHE SAYS.
AND, AND, BUT, BUT LET'S MAKE IT A PLAN THAT WE'LL DO IT.
IF WE, AND ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS ACTUALLY LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED WITH COWBOY CLUB.
AND THEY STILL DON'T HAVE IT DONE.
SO I KNOW ALL OVER TO START LISTING LANDMARKS AND THE COWBOY CLUB IN SIX MONTHS.
YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET OFF AND ON IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, BECAUSE WE MEAN WE HAVEN'T SET THE RECORD IN THE, WELL, I THINK LET'S, LET'S LET'S HIRE THE PERSON TO DO IT.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S SIMPLE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH MONEY.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, THAT IF WE DIDN'T DO IT, THAT MONEY'S GONE.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T KEEP THE IT DOESN'T GROW.
SO WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? LET'S CALL HER UP, SEE WHAT SHE SAYS TO DO THESE, ASK HER WHAT HER TIMELINE WOULD BE AND SEE IF SHE CAN GET IT DONE BY THE END OF, UH, MAYBE FEBRUARY, MARCH 1ST OF MARCH, DONE.
SEE IF AND SEE WHAT SHE COMES BACK TO IT.
IF SHE CAN'T DO IT, THEN WE DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GONNA JUMP IN AND MAKE IT HAPPEN OR NOT.
BUT, BUT NO, FOR THE WORK PROGRAM AS A SUGGESTION, NO, BECAUSE WE WE'RE TALKING UP THROUGH JUNE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ALL THE WAY AROUND HERE.
SEE, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.
I'D LIKE TO DO ONE THE PRIMARY.
THAT'S HOW I'D LIKE TO HANDLE IT.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THE SECONDARY, JUST BE THE SECONDARY.
IF YOU DO MORE THAN YOU TARGET, THAT'S GREAT THEN.
BUT IF WE TARGET SHOW YOU A BUDGET ANALYSIS SINCE 2018, THAT SHOWS WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING IT.
I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A DRAMATIC CHANGE TO GIVE IT DONE.
THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO AGENDA IS YOU JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN I CAN ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THAT.
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT AFTER I TALK ABOUT IT IN THE AGENDA.
WELL, NO, I THINK I, WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'VE GOT A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THIS.
AND I GUESS, JANINE, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN COME ON UP.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY, BUT, UH, MY, HERE'S MY FEELING IS THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND IN THE WORK PLAN, HAVE THE ONE SET BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO DO THE ONE.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH ONE OF THOSE TWO THAT WE WERE JUST SPEAKING OF, THAT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO AGENDA FOR THIS AS, AS IN THE NEXT, THE ONLY ONLY PROBLEM WAS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME.
WHY DON'T WE JUST ASK THE QUESTION AT THE NEXT MEETING, MAKE A DECISION.
IN THE MEANTIME WE FIND OUT WHAT OUR BUDGET IS.
THAT'S WHAT WHEN I'M DO ON THE AGENDA AND THE NEXT THING WE ASK HER TO COME BACK AND GIVE US A TIME AND COST, THEN WE'LL HAVE FACTS WE NEED AND THEN WE VOTE.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK WHAT THE CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BACKED UP AGAINST TIME.
AND IF WE DON'T SORT OF HAVE SOMETHING SORT OF FIGURED OUT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING OURSELF, WE'RE LOSING ANOTHER MONTH TO THAT DECISION.
WELL, BUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE DECISION AND, BUT ALL WE'RE GONNA DO THIS MONTH IS ASK FOR AN INPUT ON A CONTRACT TO DESIGNATE TWO PROPERTIES SHE'S GONNA COME BACK AT BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING AND SAY IT'S GONNA COST $600 OR IT'S GONNA COST 6,000 AND WE WILL MAKE A DECISION.
AND I THINK KEEP IN MIND, AND I TOLD CYNTHIA THIS WAS GONNA MAKE IT CONFUSING.
YOUR BUDGET IS SET FOR THIS YEAR.
WELL, WE'VE GOTTA KNOW WHAT IT IS WE WANNA TALK ABOUT.
LET'S PLAN INTO THE NEXT YEAR.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WE HAVE FROM THIS YEAR.
SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S FIND OUT THE COST OF DESIGNATING TWO PROPERTIES FOR NEXT YEAR.
THEN WE CAN GO ON TO THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
JANINE, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND ONE OF OUR OUTCOMES IS TO PRODUCE AN
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EVENT FOR YOU.AND THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION ALL LAST YEAR WAS THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, A PRODUCER OR WHATEVER YOU NEED FOR MAY FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH.
WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR A MEETING
SO THAT WE CAN GET A CRITICAL PATH TOGETHER.
I, YOU KNOW, QUITE HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS ARE LACKING A CRITICAL PATH FOR THE YEAR.
SO YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT THAT TOGETHER.
BUT THEN, BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ON THAT CRITICAL PATH, WE CAN'T WAIT TILL NEXT MARCH.
AND THEN YOU GUYS ASK US TO PRODUCE AN EVENT IN MAY.
SO WE'RE, WE ARE HERE, WE, AND WHAT YOU MAY WANT TO DO, AND THIS WILL BE OUT OF ORDER, IS THINK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE SOCIETY INTO YOUR MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN BE THE PARTNER WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AND THE VENDOR WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.
SO THAT WHEN THESE CAN, WE, WE INVITED THE NEW DIRECTOR HERE TODAY AND HE GOT STUCK IN THE FREEWAY.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE FIRST STEP TO GET CLOSER.
AND I AM JUST AS EQUALLY THE REP, THE TRICK AS YOU GUYS HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAN CALL US OUT OF THE MEETING THING INTO WE IS INTERESTING SUBJECT MATTER.
BECAUSE NOW THAT WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT WITH YOU, I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO PLAN OUR FUTURES TOGETHER.
AND I'VE ALSO NOTICED, AND I WON'T GO INTO NOW, BUT OUR HISTORY IS DECLINING AND THAT WE CAN WORK WAY OFF ON THE TRACK.
SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER.
NO, BUT I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT, THAT NOW, AND I WANNA EXPLAIN ONE THING WHY THIS BUDGET ISSUE WAS REALLY AN ISSUE THIS YEAR, CERTAINLY FOR ME, IS THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE VERY MANY MEETINGS.
IF IT, AT ANY LAST YEAR WHEN WE FINALLY GOT TO HAVE OUR MEETINGS, THE MEETINGS WERE SO CLOSE TO WHERE THE BUDGET HAD TO BE DONE, THEN WE REALLY DIDN'T GET TO DO IT.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BE NOW THINKING ABOUT IT AND NOT LET THAT THING LIKE IT DID BEFORE.
YOU HAVE A BUDGET, SO YOU NEED A CRITICAL PATH THAT MATCHES.
WE NEED TO GIVE YOU WELL, YES AND WELL THAT'S, AND THAT'S, AND ACTUALLY THAT'S WHY IT WAS A, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS NO GOOD BECAUSE WE HAD NO, WE HADN'T REALLY MADE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WERE GONNA DO ONE LANDMARK AND ONE THING, AND, AND IT JUST, IT REALLY DIDN'T FALL TOGETHER.
I MEAN, SO WE'LL GIVE YOU DIRECTION FOR ME AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
ONE, ONE THOUGHT WORTH PROBABLY 2 CENTS OR LESS IS THAT BECAUSE HPC HAS NOT BEEN VISIBLE MUCH IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT.
IN THE RECENT PAST, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO THINK OF WHICH EVENT WOULD DRAW THE BIGGEST PUBLICITY IN THE BIGGEST PART OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH I WOULD GUESS MIGHT BE TO WALK APAC YEAH.
AND HAVE THAT FOCUS ON THE LANDMARK AND EVENT.
THAT'S PROBABLY, WELL, AUDIENCE
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S DOABLE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS MAYBE WHAT WE DO YEAH.
AND NEXT MONTH IS IF, IF THAT'S, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO WAIT TILL NEXT MONTH TO SEE WHAT THAT COST IS GONNA BE.
THAT'S WHAT I, I WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF DOING THE OTHER ONE TOO.
AND IF WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD IT, THEN LET'S DO IT.
SO LET'S, BUT I EVEN TOLD THEM THAT IT MIGHT BE THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO DO THEIRS.
WELL LET'S WAIT UNTIL ALL THEM YEAH, YEAH.
LET'S WAIT UNTIL NEXT MEETING.
WE GET THE NUMBERS, WE'LL VOTE ON IT NEXT AND WE'LL HAVE A PLAN FOR THEM TO PUT ON AN EVENT FIRMED UP BY NEXT MEETING.
WELL, NO, THEY'RE PUTTING, THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR, THEY'RE PUTTING IT ON.
COMBINATION, BUT, BUT, BUT BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
AND, AND THAT WAY WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FIGURED OUT AND, AND SPEND OUR YEAR'S BUDGET INSTEAD OF LETTING IT SIT AND THEN DISAPPEAR ON US.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
THAT'S WHY CAN OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WE CAN DO ANOTHER, WE CAN DO SUBCOMMITTEES OR NOT, YOU CAN'T EVIDENCE AND ALL THAT.
BUT I'M, SAY, JANINE, WE CAN GET TOGETHER, JANINE, IF YOU HAVE, AND REALLY KNOCK THE EVENT OUT WHEN WE FIRM UP WHAT, WHAT OUR WORK PLAN IS NEXT TIME ONE ON ONE.
WE CAN'T DO IT BY UNDERSTAND, SO WE CAN GET THAT.
WE CAN'T DO IT BY JOINT, BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY WORKING.
AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS NEXT TIME IF WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE UP TO.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, I TOLD LYNN ANIS AND, AND, UM, UH, ELLEN, THAT BASICALLY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE'D HAVE THE MONEY THIS YEAR TO DO THE LANDMARK BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONIES WERE IN THE BUDGET TO DO WHATEVER I WAS TELLING THEM THAT WE WOULD DO.
SO, BUT I THINK THAT AS WE MOVE ON NOW YEAH.
THE F THIS IS WHERE WE REALLY NEED
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TO BE CONCENTRATING ON BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA GO TO THE CITY FOR VOTE IN, ISN'T IT, JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, BUT THEY VOTE ON WHAT THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET IS.WELL, ALSO THAT COUNCIL DOESN'T APPROVE IT UNTIL, UNTIL THEY PUT IT ON THEIR WORK.
TYPICALLY THE PROCESS IS THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT IT IN LIKE THE FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME.
AND FROM THERE IT WILL GO THROUGH OUR DIRECTOR WHEN WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR, AND IT WILL GO THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER AND IT WILL GO THROUGH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, AND THEN IT WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A TENTATIVE DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL.
BUT THE FINAL APPROVAL DOESN'T COME UNTIL JUNE.
BUT IF WE CAN TEE THINGS UP, EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPIER.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE MAY WANNA BE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW IS THE FACT THAT INSTEAD OF JUST ONE LANDMARK, SINCE WE DO HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF LYNN ENNIS AND THE OTHER ONE, MAYBE WE THINK ABOUT TWO INSTEAD OF ONE LANDMARK, TWO LANDMARKS, UM, AND A LOT OF THE WEIGHT WILL BE TAKEN OFF OF US FINANCIALLY BECAUSE THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WILL BE TAKING ON SOME OF THAT WEIGHT FOR THE EVENTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON.
LET ME THROW OUT A BIG AUDACIOUS IDEA.
FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THESE LITTLE THINGS.
WHAT I NEED, I THINK WE SHOULD ASK FOR THE NEXT YEAR, $50,000.
FIRST OF ALL, THE CITY HAS THE MONEY.
AND NOT BEING DEROGATORY, WE NEED TO REPLACE OR START THINKING ABOUT REPLACING ALL THE HISTORIC SIGNS ALONG 89 8.
I'VE TALKED TO A, I'VE TALKED TO KAREN AND SHE SAYS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO PLACE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO DO IT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT JOINT COMMISSION BETWEEN US AND THE, AND THE, THE HISTORIC SOCIETY TO LOOK AT THE PLAQUES.
MAYBE YOU UPDATE 'EM, REDO 'EM, PRESENT TO THE CITY, AN IDEA ON HOW THEY'RE REDONE AND THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION YES OR NO.
BUT UNTIL WE START TO SAY IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO, IT'S JUST GONNA GET BUMPED ANOTHER YEAR.
SO HOW DO WE, AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THE MONEY'S NOT A PROBLEM.
BUT WHO'S GONNA DO IT? IS IT GONNA BE PARKS,
I KNOW, AND I KNOW THE COUNCIL.
TRUST ME, STEVE, AS YOU WELL KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN RECONSTRUCTING MANY AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA CONGREGATE, CONGREGATE.
AND THERE'S SO MANY BEAUTIFUL AREAS WHERE WE CAN NOT ONLY UPHOLD THE HISTORY HERE, WE CAN CREATE MUSIC, OTHER EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE, THE IDEA, THE BIG AUDACIOUS IDEA IS, IS DESIGN GROUPED 15 YEARS AGO, MOVED THE HISTORY WALK THAT I HAVE NOW DOWN BELOW GRAY, AND YOU COULDN'T SEE IT.
AND IT WAS A BOARD WALK DOWN BELOW GRAY.
NOW THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT DOWN THE LINE, BUT THE CITY'S NOT GONNA DO IT NOW.
BUT KAREN SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT PROBABLY THE PLAQUES NEED TO BE PUT ON SOME TYPE OF AGENDA.
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT AGENDA DO THEY GO ON? I THINK THEY SHOULD BE BETWEEN US AND THE HISTORIC, THE MUSEUM SHOULD COME UP AND KIND OF TAKE A LEAD ON THIS.
I'M JUST THROWING THE IDEA OUT.
AND THAT COULD BE PART OF THE ENTIRE WALK THAT'S, WE COULD ACTUALLY, WE GET ON THE AGENDA TALKING ABOUT THE WORK PROGRAM BOARD.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
I WANT THE PLAQUES TO BE ON THE WORK PROGRAM.
AND THAT WE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE WOULD, MAYBE THE FIRST YEAR WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER PROPOSALS OR IDEAS AND ESTIMATES.
NO, THE PROBLEM, THEY HAVE TO BE ON BOARD WITH THE IDEA FIRST.
WELL, THE PROBLEM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK I, WHAT I, WHAT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD LOVE US TO DO THIS, BUT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH HOW WE ACTUALLY EXPLAIN THAT THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
THAT'S, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IF WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT, AND I THINK BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MAKE THE DECISION TO SAY THAT, WELL, CAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT ISN'T WITHIN THE CONTEXT.
BUT HERE'S THE THING YOU ASKED.
YOU ASK AND THEN KAREN WILL COME BACK AND SHE'LL SAY, NO, I THINK IT'S THIS DEPARTMENT, OR SHE'LL THINK IT'S YOURS.
OR SHE'LL SAY, I THINK YOU SHOULD WORK WITH THIS ONE.
AND TRUST ME, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS NOT LOOKING FOR WORK.
SO WE'RE THE HISTORIC COMMISSION.
WE'RE SAYING, HEY, IF WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HISTORY OF SEDONA, WHY DON'T WE WORK WITH OUR NEW PARTNER? AND THIS CAN BE SOMETHING WE OTHER WORDS USEFUL.
RIGHT? NOW PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU DO? WELL, YEAH.
AND, AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WE APPROACH IT, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE'RE ASKING THE CITY TO PUT THE BUDGET ON IT, AND THEN WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, THAT IT IT TO BE A, A JOINT THING, THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
AND I, BUT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND SAY THERE'S ONLY THREE INVOLVED.
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BOTH OF US INVOLVED.AND THEN WHOEVER'S CHANGING OUT THE PLAQUES, WHICH IS THE CITY, SHE, ALL I'M SEEING IS THAT YOU HAVE A JOINT COMMITTEE, JOINT COMMITTEE THAT COMES UP WITH THE PLAN.
SHE, AND, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE SOME, I, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE DONE IS A BIG AUDACIOUS IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, THE RAILING THAT GOES ALONG THE EDGE, THAT SHOULD BE THE SAME RAILING THEY USE ON THE MIDDLE OF 89 8.
SO THEY CONTINUE THAT RAILING, AND ALL WE DO IS WE HAVE NEW PLAQUE MOUNTS MADE, AND THEN WE LOOK AT ALL THE PLAQUES AND WE LOOK PLAQUE BY PLAQUE.
IS IT OKAY, DO WE CLEAN IT UP? DO WE REDO IT? THAT'S A COMMITTEE WORK.
AND, AND MAYBE WE COULD STEP IN SOMEHOW TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE PLAQUES.
I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, CHANGING OUT THE REST OF THIS.
SOME OF IT, BOB'S BEEN WORKING, BUT JUMP IN.
YEAH, WELL, I'M, I'M STILL WORKING WITH THE CITY ON BE HANDS THROUGH HISTORY, PLAQUES THEM TO BULER PLAZA.
UH, AND I HAVE A, I'VE ASKED FOR A MEETING ACTUALLY TODAY.
I CALLED AND ASKED FOR A MEETING BETWEEN ANDY AND UH, KAREN TO ACTUALLY GET IT STARTED BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO ANDY, HE HAS THE MONEY, HE'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND HE SAID HE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IT BECAUSE THE HANDS THROUGH HISTORY, PLAQUES ARE IN STORAGE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ANDY, I MEAN, YOU GET TO, WHEN THEY GET TO IT, YOU KNOW, WELL, BOB'S GOT ALL THE RELATIONS, GET THE PLAQUES MADE, THEY'RE ALL GUARANTEED FROM LIFE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
HE'S CREATED GREAT RELATIONSHIPS.
WELL, I THINK WHAT I'M GETTING AT, WE, WE, WE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IT OVERLAPS TWO OR THREE COMMITTEES.
IT ALSO PUTS US ON THE MAP THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING.
THE QUESTION IS, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE CITY'S BOX AND SAY, DO YOU LIKE THE IDEA ONE AND TWO, HOW DO YOU SEE IT BEING DONE? UNTIL WE ASK THAT QUESTION, NOTHING HAPPENS.
SO NOW LET ME JUST ASK YOU THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT TWO LANDMARKS BECAUSE THAT IS ACTUALLY REALLY IN OUR WHEELHOUSE THAT WE NEED TO DO THE, WE NEED TO BE DOING THIS BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT IN EXISTENCE ANYMORE.
SO IF WE ACTUALLY ASK FOR, UH, UH, A FUNDING FOR SOMETHING LIKE SIGNAGE, I MEAN, ID, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT, AT, AT WHAT WE'RE BASED ON WHAT, WHAT OUR, OUR WHAT THE BASE OF, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS.
UM, I THINK IF IT DOES INCLUDE, UH, TEACHING THE PUBLIC ABOUT HISTORY, SO THERE IS SOMETHING WITHIN THE, THE CONFINES OF WHAT WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT THAT IS WITHIN THAT.
SO WE CAN ONLY, ALL WE CAN DO IS GET TURNED DOWN TO, THAT'S WHAT I SUPPOSE.
AND JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE MONIES FOR NOW, I WOULD SAY NEXT YEAR WE'D LIKE IN OUR WORK PLAN TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN IF THE CITY LIKES THE IDEA TO REDO THE HISTORY WALK.
ARE WE ON THE AGENDA THING NOW? NO, WE'RE FOR THE WORK PROGRAM FOR THE WORKFORCE.
SO THAT, OH, I'M, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEAH.
AND, AND WE CAN CREATE THIS SO EASILY, SO BEAUTIFULLY.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A BUDGET LIKE THE CITY YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD DO IT.
I KNOW, BUT I THINK, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE THINKING ABOUT THOUGH IS IN IN WHAT? IN WHAT IS THE, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS GONNA ASK WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT NOW? I THINK THIS HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF BENEFIT.
AND I THINK, AND, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THAT WORRY.
AND I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE A NEW WELL, BUT WE'RE SECOND GUESS.
FIRST OF ALL, I'VE TALKED TO ALL THE CITY COUNCIL.
THERE'S NOT A CITY COUNCIL PERSON THAT'LL BE AGAINST IT NOW.
BUT THE, THE CITY MANAGER RUNS THE CITY.
WE HAVE TO PRESENT AN IDEA TO HER THAT WE THINK'S DOABLE.
SHE'S GONNA SAY, GIVE ME SOME A PLAN.
AND THEN, THEN IT HAS TO WORK ITSELF THROUGH, BUT DECISION HAS TO START WITH AN IDEA.
AND ALTHOUGH I'M SAYING IS THE IDEA IS IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THE PLAQUES.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PRESENT AS, YOU KNOW, A DECISION, I GUESS IN OUR DECISION PACKAGE.
I MEAN, GENERALLY WHEN WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, WE'VE, UH, LINED IT OUT TO VERY SPECIFIC THINGS.
LIKE TWO, WE'RE GONNA DO TWO LANDMARKS.
WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, ONE OR TWO RECOGNITION, PRO RECOGNITION PLAQUES, UH, AND LET PEOPLE KNOW.
AND WE'LL DO ONE BIG EVENT A YEAR.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'VE USUALLY LOOKED AT.
AND ACTUALLY NOW WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA STEP UP.
AND SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS ADD THAT TO IT.
I THINK THAT, THAT, UM, DONNA, I DO NEED THE TWO LANDMARKS IN THERE.
I WOULD LE LIKE AT LEAST ONE, MAYBE TWO, UH, HIS, UH, RECOGNITION, UH, PLAQUES GOT THERE.
UM, AND, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE REDO THE HISTORY OF, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE JUST GONNA GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND
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SEE WHAT HER NOW SHE MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A PLAN ON 89 A FOR X DATE.BUT UNTIL YOU ASK, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ANYONE WHO'S SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS, I'D LIKE TO SET GOALS.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A PLAN TO MM-HMM.
OFFER KAREN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS TO SEE.
AND WE NEED A PLAN THAT'S GONNA SUCCEED.
PLAN IS GONNA LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, WELL WHAT HAPPENS HERE? NO, I WANT A PLAN.
OKAY, SO NOW WHO'S WHO, WHO IS QUALIFIED AND WHO DO YOU WANT TO WRITE THAT PLAN? NOW YOU GUYS COME UP WITH ALL THESE GREAT IDEAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, HERE'S, HERE'S PLAN.
IT'S, IT'S AN EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11.
YOU SAY WE HAVE 33 PLAQUES ON 89 A THAT ARE AGING.
THERE'S A FORM CALLED DECISION PACKAGE.
WELL, I'M SAYING WANTS TO PUT IT TOGETHER.
I WILL GET WITH THEM AND SHOW THEM WHAT THEY HAVE TO COME UP THAT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT IT'S NOT A BIG DECISION PACKAGE.
IT'S NOT, IT ISN'T, IT ISN'T WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
IT ISN'T BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE, WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE, BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THE IDEA TO PUT THE IDEA OUT, TO PUT IT FOR A FUTURE WORK PLAN.
THAT THAT IS, IF IT GOES TO A DECISION PACKAGE THAT IS PART OF THE BUDGET SUBMISSION MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE SUBMISSION THAT I WILL HAVE TO HAVE READY TO GO IN WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE, I THINK THIS GROUP, WE COULD GET TOGETHER AND DO THAT EASY.
WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OVER $10,000, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE THAT OH, ABSOLUTELY.
NOW, I, WE HAVE DONE THOSE BEFORE WHERE, WHERE IT HAS BEEN THE COMMISSION THAT HAS DONE THEM.
I WOULD SAY JUST THE TWO OF YOU GETTING TOGETHER AND DOING THEM.
I'M, I'M NOT SO SURE I'M UNCOM TOTALLY COMFORTABLE ABOUT NO, NO.
I WOULD, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE BECAUSE ACTIVE SUSAN PACKAGE DOESN'T, HAS TO COME BACK.
DON'T, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
WHAT WE DO IN THE EXECUTIVE, ALL WE DO IS WE PUT TOGETHER A DECISION PACKAGE AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK TO EVERY HERE AND THEN EVERYBODY GOES OVER IT AGAIN A COUPLE OF TIMES.
BUT YOU GOTTA START WITH AN IDEA.
WELL, THE FIRST QUESTION WILL BE IF IT'S A SUBMISSION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE COME THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OR IF IT HAS TO COME THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS.
SO, AND THAT WAS, MAYBE THE COMMISSION IS STILL GONNA HAVE TO FORMULATE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHY THIS IS JUSTIFIED AND WHAT THE EXPENDITURE IS BUDGETED FOR, ET CETERA.
IT GETS DOWN TO THE COST ANALYSIS AND EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT'S, IT IS A LOT MORE COMPLICATED.
BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND ALL I'M SAYING, FIRST OF ALL, KAREN WILL COME BACK AND SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
UH, IT'S TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE CUZ WE'RE DOING THIS.
BUT UNTIL YOU ASK, YOU DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE ALL THE WORK.
WE KNOW WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CREATING A PLAN AND THEN US INITIATING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CONTINUE WITH IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY EMPLOYEES, KAREN, ALL THEM TWO DAMN BUSY.
SO WHY CAN'T WE JUST INITIATE THAT, GET IT DONE? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUDGET EXPENDITURE THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED.
BUT WE CAN PUT THE, WE CAN PUT THE WORK TOGETHER.
WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE ALL THAT WORKFORCE.
SO IF, IF WE ARE TO ACTUALLY DO THIS IN THAT FORM, UH, DONNA, CAN THAT FORM BE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION NEXT TIME AND US TAKE A LOOK AT THE FORMS TO KNOW WHAT WE, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THE FORM SURE.
BEFORE WE HAVE TO PUT ANYTHING TOGETHER.
I WOULDN'T PERSONALLY WANT TO PUT ANYTHING FORWARD BECAUSE I'M THE ONE THAT HAS TO SUBMIT IT.
IF IT COMES THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO SUBMIT IT UNLESS I KNOW THAT IT HAS THE BACKING.
BUT I WANT YOU TO ALSO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE PROVIDING INPUT FOR THE BUDGET.
YOU ARE NOT VOTING TO APPROVE.
WE'RE ASKING INPUT SIMPLY INPUT IS SIMPLY INPUT.
BUT I THINK YEAH, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND AND MY FEELING IS THAT IN THAT INPUT, THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO BE ALL LOOKING AT EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO BE ASKED FOR INSTEAD OF JUST, YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD SAYING, OH, WE WANT THIS FOR THAT.
THE PROCESS, THE PROCESS IS FINE.
LET'S BRING BACK THAT NEXT MEETING.
ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS WE COME UP AND I LOOK AND I SAY, LOOK AT A NEW PLAQUE HOLDER'S GONNA COST $600.
A NEW PLAQUE'S GONNA COST THREE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN AVERAGE PRICE OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF PLAQUE.
LIKE WE DO THE RESEARCH, THEN WE PUT IT ALL TOGETHER INTO THIS PROGRAM AND THEN IT'S SUBMITTED AND THEN IT GIVES PEOPLE, THE CITY COUNCIL A CHANCE TO SAY YES OR NO.
SO AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN DECIDE ON WHAT TO SPEND, WHAT, WHAT IS IN OUR BUDGET NOW.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
WELL, WE'RE TALKING, WHAT WE'RE TALKING, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT'LL COME NEXT TIME.
IT'LL BE BASICALLY THE SAME AS LIKE E AND F THIS
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TIME.UM, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO THEN BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT MONIES WE WILL BE WANTING TO COMMIT FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
THAT'LL BE NOT ACTUALLY AVAILABLE TO US UNTIL THE SUMMER OF 2020.
BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, I WILL TRY TO TOUCH BASE WITH ANDY DICKEY AND FIND OUT, BECAUSE IF HE FEELS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO THROUGH HIS DEPARTMENT AND PLAN'S, THAT'S YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT THAT ALL THIS MAY TOTALLY CHANGE AND WOULD TAKE CARE OF THIS.
WE JUST ASK HIM THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT IT COMES THROUGH US, THEN OVER 10,000, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DECISION.
I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GETTING OFF OF OUR MISSION.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S BOTHERING ME A LOT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP AT THIS MEETING, AND I'M SURPRISED IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, IS THE VANES HOUSE.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST RAMBLING AROUND HERE AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HEALTHY FOR US.
I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO TWO DESIGNATIONS THIS YEAR AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
WELL, WE, THIS WAS A SHORT YEAR.
NOW WE'RE GETTING BACK IN STRIDE.
WELL I THINK, I THINK THAT, I THINK IN REALITY THAT, THAT JACK HAS A VERY GOOD POINT HERE.
I DON'T WANNA GET SO FAR OFF TRACK IN WANTING TO DO SIGNAGE AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE DON'T DO THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO.
I MEAN, I, THE REASON THAT I WANTED SO MUCH, AND JANINE MUST KNOW THIS, THE REASON I WANTED SO MUCH FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS BECAUSE THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THESE ARE, A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE IN THEIR WHEELHOUSE AND NOT OURS.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, WE DO WELL, I KNOW THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR STUFF BRILLIANTLY.
AND SO I DON'T WANT US TO BE SLIDING BACK AND FORTH AND TAKING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S RESPONSIBILITIES HERE.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE WHAT THEY'RE DOING DO WELL AND WE HAVE WHAT WE'RE DOING, DO WELL.
I'M NOT VERY HAPPY WITH WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING I'VE EVER DONE HAS ALWAYS BEEN DIRECTED.
AND I'VE BEEN, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOTTEN OFF.
OF COURSE WE GOT OFF OF COURSE BECAUSE OF COVID.
BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN OURSELVES BACK ON COURSE.
AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REALLY NEEDING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THEIR LANDMARKS HERE, MAKE SURE THE LANDMARKS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THAT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO.
UM, MAKE SURE THEY'RE BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY CHECK THEM OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STILL THERE.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE THINGS, BUT, BUT HERE, HERE, AND I, AND I KNOW WHERE YOU COME FROM.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE DO AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC SOCIETY IS JUST A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION THAT CAPTURES HISTORY.
SO WHO REALLY WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PLAQUES? IT MAY NOT BE US.
I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE, BUT THE CITY HAS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
IF, IF THEY SAY, WELL, AND MY MEMORY IS THAT THE CITY BOUGHT ONE PLAQUE.
NO, HE BOUGHT, HE BOUGHT THE OTHERS.
ALL THE ONES GOING OUT THE CITY DID.
THEY BOUGHT IT FOR THEIR OWN NAME.
THEY PUT THEIR OWN NAME ON IT.
SO THE POINT IS, I DID IT, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, I'M TRYING TO GET IT BACK INTO THE CITY'S BAILEY WICK A LITTLE BIT.
AND WHO'S THE DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD DO IT? I DON'T REALLY KNOW.
I THINK THAT ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS FOCUS IT AT THIS POINT.
THEY MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY IT SHOULD BE JANINE'S GROUP THAT WOULD HELP WRITE 'EM.
WHICH IS FINE TOO, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST SAYING, WELL, WE STARTED CREATING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER YET THROUGH THESE ELECTIONS.
I MEAN, DAMNIT IF IT'S THAT SIMPLE, I'LL DO IT AGAIN.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE WAY THEY SAY NO, I'LL, I'LL FUND IT.
BUT THE POINT IS THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
WHO DO YOU GO TO? AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT BOB HAS BEEN WORKING ON.
BOB'S BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENT AND, AND BOB'S GOT ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER WHERE, WHERE WE COULD CREATE THIS REALLY COOL WALK AND ELABORATE, BUT THEN WE TIE TOGETHER.
YOU FEEL THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING WITH ANDY COVERS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
I I WILL BE HAPPY TO BRING IT UP.
CAUSE HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
COULD YOU SEND ME A COPY OF DECISION PACKAGE? COULD YOU, SO THAT, I MEAN THE FORM KIND OF LOOK AT IT MAYBE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING GENUINE? DO YOU WANT TO GO TOGETHER AND SEE ANDY AND SAY MAKE IT A BIGGER, I MEAN, OR YOU TAKE THE LEAD ON IT.
GO FOR IT GETS STATED THERE, BUT IT'S, WELL I KNOW ANDY PRETTY WELL TOO, BUT THE POINT IS THEY ALL KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY WANT SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT.
YOU DON'T MIND DOING IT? NOT AT ALL.
LET ME TALK TO ANDY AND STEVE BECAUSE IF IT'S GONNA FALL INTO HIS CAPITAL PROGRAM, THEN HE MAY NOT EVEN MEET
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THE DECISION PACKAGE.SO, BUT IF, IF HE KICKS TO ALL, YES, HE WOULD.
I JUST, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS DOING WORK YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO.
I'LL, I'LL COME TO BE ABOUT OBJECTION.
24 SO FAR, I HAVE TWO LANDMARKS, WHICH COULD BE POSSIBLY VANNESS AND NO, NO NESSE.
ALL, ALL THAT'S INVOLVED WITH VANS IS WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT.
WE HAVE TO SET UP A MEETING AND HAVE THAT, NO, WE DON'T NEED TO HOLD THAT UNTIL NEXT YEAR, DO WE? NO.
THEY, THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTION PLAN.
THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING.
SO WE HAVE TO, THAT SHOULD BE ON THAT MEETING.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS THAT THEY WERE DOING MM-HMM.
AND, AND BASICALLY APPROVE SOME OF IT.
BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT HE, THEY WANT TO DO AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO POOL.
I WANNA PUT A POOL NEXT TO THAT HOUSE.
AND ONE OF THEM CAN INCLUDE THE KIVA HOUSE.
AND IF YOU KEEP IN MIND, IF YOU DO TO LOCK APAC FOR HPC MONTH IN MAY, YOUR NEXT FISCAL YEAR STARTS IN JULY.
SO TWO MONTHS LATER YOU COULD DO THE KEY HOUSE.
AND THEN WE ALSO DO, IN ACTUALITY, WE CAN ALREADY QUEUE THE KIA HOUSE UP.
WE COULD ACTUALLY WRITE A BASE SURVEY START TO BE WORKING ON.
BUT I WOULD FOCUS ON GETTING THE ONE YOU WANT FROM MAY 1ST.
AND I WANNA SHOW YOU, IN TALKING ABOUT BUDGETING, UH, WHAT THE HISTORY LOOKS LIKE.
AND TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN, UH, UM, YES, THERE'S GONNA BE QUESTIONS AS TO WHY.
IF YOU LOOK BACK IN 2018, I'VE BROKEN OUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ACCOUNTS THAT WE HAVE.
IN THE FIRST COLUMN GIVES YOU THE DESCRIPTION.
2018, I'VE GIVEN YOU THE BUDGET AND WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SPENT MM-HMM.
SO IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM IN 2018, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD 9,950 BUCKS BUDGETED FOR THE HPC.
AND YOU SPENT A LITTLE UNDER 2,600, 2019, WE HAD 4,200 BUDGETED.
AND YOU SPENT A LITTLE OVER 2000.
ADMITTEDLY, WE HAD THE LOCKDOWNS, WE DIDN'T SPEND ANYTHING.
AND ACTUALLY BACK IN BUSINESS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK OUT OF THE 5,200 BUDGET, YOU SPENT LESS THAN $30.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TRAINING ON THAT YEAR EITHER.
THEY CANCELED BOTH OF THEM, BUT, AND NONE OF THAT ROLLS OVER.
IT ALL GOES BACK INTO GENERAL.
SO TRAINING THIS YEAR, WE GOT THREE, WE GOT THREE PEOPLE GOING TO TRAINING.
SO WE'RE GONNA SPEND, WHAT, A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR SOMETHING? $1,500? NO MORE THAN THAT.
SO IF YOU STUCK WITH THE SAME BUDGET AS WE HAD IN 22, YOU'D BE FINE.
WELL, $4,000 IF YOU GOT DOWN FOR TRAINING, IT'LL PROBABLY BE UNDER THAT.
UM, NO, THIS WE DON'T FISCAL YEAR.
AND WHAT HAPPENED IS, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR, SHPO TURNED AROUND AND CREDITED US YOUR REGISTRATION FEES.
OH, REALLY? AND US BACK 255 BUCKS A PERSON.
AND IT WAS, I DON'T THINK, IS THAT WHEN THEY HAD CAMP COME IN OR SOMETHING? YES, THEY, YEAH, THEY HAD CAMP COMMAND.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A SPECIAL, THERE WAS SOME ENTICEMENT TO GET YOU TO GO TO CAMP.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE ONLY TO SPEND 877 BUCKS DOLLARS.
BUT AND DOES THAT GO OUR BUDGET OR WHERE DOES THAT GO? THAT GOES BACK INTO OUR BUDGET AND WE DIDN USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT, YOU KNOW, AND BASICALLY NOTHING ON HERE TALKS ABOUT THE, THE LANDMARKS THAT WE WANNA DO.
AND YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THINGS TOO, SO.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE IN THAT LAST
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COLUMN SINCE 2018, WE HAD AN AVERAGE BUDGET AND RECOGNIZING COUPLE THOUSAND, THE TEAM WAS THE BIG BUDGET THAT KICKED THE AVERAGE UP.AND THE AVERAGE EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN JUST OVER $1,500.
SO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT WANTING 50,000 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND, AND YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN SPENDING 5,000, WELL, IT'S A PROJECT.
IT'S BASICALLY SAYING, WE'RE AT FAULT FOR NOT SPENDING THIS MONEY.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THE CITY TO COME UP WITH A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE BASED UPON SOMETHING WHICH MAY FALL UNDER HANDY.
IT WOULD PROBABLY, SO THIS IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO AGENDA.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE SPEND EVERY PENNY WE HAVE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE'RE GONNA GET BACK NEXT TIME.
WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT WHAT WE HAVE TO SPEND AND WE'RE GONNA DO THE, THE, THE, SO LET'S SET THOSE GOALS, THEN SPEND THE MONEY.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, BOB, STEVE SEIGNER HERE IS WELL KNOWN FOR FINDING MONEY HISTORICALLY.
SO, NO, WELL, THAT'S NOT FAIR.
MY GOOD, ALL I WANNA DO IS SHE'S GOOD AT THAT.
UH, WE DEFINITELY NEED THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET BACK TO, UM, DONNA, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN DO BOTH.
DECEMBER IS REALLY USUALLY A VERY TOUGH, UH, MONTH FOR US TO HAVE A MEETING.
THE THING IS, WE HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY COGNIZANT OF THE FACT IF WE'RE DOING THIS THING NEXT MONTH WITH THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE THAT MONTH DECEMBER AND POSSIBLY JANUARY BEFORE WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT BUDGET ACTUALLY DONE.
SO I'M NOT GONNA CORRECT THAT.
THIS IS WHY I KICKED IT OFF IN OCTOBER.
I WANT YOUR FINALS INPUT FOR THE BUDGET NEXT MONTH PER OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO FROM THEN ON.
I'M BUILDING THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT.
SO I, I NEED TO KNOW, AND I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE OPEN TO LET AROUND.
WELL, YOU, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
I THINK ONE THING WE NEED TO DO IS, LET'S SAY WE WANT TO LANDMARK 2, 2, 2 THINGS A YEAR.
LET'S TALK TO THE WOMAN THAT DOES IT AND SAY, GIVE US A PRICE SO THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA DO TWO A YEAR.
WE'LL GET SOME PRICE AND THEN WE'LL KNOW THAT EVERY YEAR WE'RE GONNA DO TWO.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE COST TODAY.
BUT THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT REFURBISHING AND REESTABLISHING MANY OF THEM ALSO.
SO OUR FIRST BUDGET MIGHT WANT TO BE OBVIOUSLY TO COVER ALL OF THAT.
JUST TO INITIATE ALL OF THAT TO REFURBISH WHAT? NO, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REFURBISH.
NOW REMEMBER WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS REESTABLISHING THOSE THAT ARE WORN OUT NEED TO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S NOT PLAQUE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LANDMARKS.
I THINK THAT THEN, AND I AGREE WITH DONNA.
I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE, AND NOT THE LAST FEW YEARS WE HAVE, WE USUALLY GET, OH S**T.
HE'S GONNA HAVE TO, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO WAIT AND I'LL HAVE TO CALL HIM BACK.
UM, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACTUALLY, UM, DO THIS THIS YEAR.
WE USUALLY DID THIS AT THIS TIME EVERY YEAR.
AND WE DID NOT DO IT THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND THAT ALSO HAS LED TO THIS, THIS, THIS CRAZINESS THAT ISN'T GOING ON.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
I THINK SHE WOULD PREFER TO BE SITTING HERE RATHER THAN ME
UM, IF WE DON'T DO IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET YEAH.
NEXT MONTH WE'RE JUST RUNNING IN PLACE.
LAST YEAR, IF YOU REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, WE FINALLY HAD A MEETING TO WHERE YOU GAVE US SOME BUDGET INPUT.
EXCEPT, AND IT WAS RIGHT WHEN I WAS ALREADY SUBMITTING IT.
AND IT WASN'T, AND TRYING TO, SO WE BASICALLY EXPLAINED WHAT WE HAD GIVEN YOU AND THAT DIDN'T GET SPENT.
BUT I, I HESITATE TO HAVE YOU GET INTO COMMITTING TO TOO MUCH.
YOU WANT A REALISTIC PLAN SO THAT YOU CAN FEEL THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WE ACTUALLY SEE THE LIST OF THINGS YOU DIDN'T DO.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BUDGET FOR.
AND I KNOW THAT BOB'S BEEN LOOKING AT PLAQUE REPLACEMENTS AND PART OF IT IS GONNA, I, I DON'T WANT TO REDO HIS EFFORT AND WORK.
AND IF IT'S GONNA FALL UNDER ANDY, THEN WE CAN ELIMINATE THAT FROM OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
THEN WE JUST KIND SOMETHING WHERE ANDY FEELS, WELL THOSE PLAQUES WEREN'T DONE BY THE CITY, SO WE'RE NOT TAKING 'EM ON.
WAS THAT SOMETHING PLAN B KAREN IS RECEPTIVE TO FEELING LIKE WE CAN SUBMIT.
AND IF SO, THEN I'LL PUT YOU THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF DOING A DECISION PACKAGE.
BUT I DON'T WANT YOU SPINNING WHEELS DOING WORK THAT'S NOT GONNA GET YOU ANYWHERE.
AND GETTING IT NOW, I HOPE YOU START FOCUSING ON WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH NEXT YEAR
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IN THAT WORK PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE CAN DEAL WITH SOME OF THE COST FIGURES AND GET READY FOR MAY.NO, I DON'T WANNA DO THIS AGAIN, BUT IT'S NO, NO, IT'D BE FUN TO GET THAT WALK.
WE WANT GET, I'D LIKE TO SEE YOUR BLACK LOOKING TOO.
UM, I THINK, UH, WELL, I GUESS WITH NO OBJECTION, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THIS MEETING THEN.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN OVER EVERYTHING.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT DECEMBER, THE MEETING IN DECEMBER.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH.
IF ANYBODY CAN'T MAKE IT, YOU GOTTA LET, YOU GOTTA LET, UH, UH, PLEASE.
GOTTA KNOW BECAUSE, UH, WE NEED FOUR PEOPLE HERE AT LEAST.
AND THOSE OF US, TWO MORE COMMISSION CONFERENCE COULD SHARE TWO MORE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT GETTING THE NEW PARK REC GUY ON THE BOARD? UH, NOT THE PARK.
NOT THE PARK, BUT IF YOU KNEW HISTORIC GUY, WHAT IF WE, DONNA, LET ME ASK YOU THAT THE, THE GUY THAT'S THE HEAD OF THE NEW GUY, THAT IT, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE OR IS IT EVEN, HE'S A PRETTY SHARP GUY, A FEASIBLE, THE GUY THAT IS GOING TO BE TAKING OVER AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO BE ON OUR BOARD? OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO? IS HE GONNA LIVE THE CITY LIMITS? WILL HE LIVE IN THE CITY ON PROPERTY? ISN'T HE HE LIVES OUT AT THE UM, RED ROCK ROGUE IN THERE.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE CREATING THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
THE TWO OF, YOU'VE GOT EXEMPT VOTE THAT EMAIL.
EITHER THAT OR THEY, HE CAN PUT HIS ADDRESS.
BUT MY ADDRESS IS THE CITY ADDRESS.
OH, HE HAS A BUSINESS INTEREST, DOESN'T HE? YEAH.
WELL THEY, YOU COULD GET HIM ON CAUSE I COULD MY ADDRESS HERE THEN HE COULD BE THE YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF VACILLATING BETWEEN THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS.