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IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST ONE INCH DIFFERENCE.[1. Call to Order/Pledge of Allegiance/Moment of Silence]
OKAY.SO LET'S CALL TO ORDER THE SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 12TH, 2022 AT 3:00 PM WOULD YOU ALL RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE I PLEDGE FLAG OF STATES OF AMERICA AND 2 3 1 NATION UNDERGROUND, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY JUSTICE.
AND NOW WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
AND ANYONE WITH ANY KIND OF ELECTRONIC DEVICE, PLEASE MAKE SURE IT'S ON SILENCE.
I HAVE TURNED MINE OFF, SO I KNOW.
MADAME CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL A ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR MORE HERE.
[3.a. AB 2378Discussion/possible direction regarding the Sedona In Motion transportation program]
ITEM THREE SPECIAL BUSINESS IS AB 2378.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE SEDONA IN MOTION TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
I HAVE, UH, WITH OUR TEAM HERE WITH ME, I HAVE ANDREW, AS YOU'VE ALREADY MET, FROM KIMLEY HORN.
AND KURT HARRIS IS OUR NEW ENGINEERING SUPERVISOR.
I HAVEN'T INTRODUCED HIM TO YET.
AND BOB WELCH, OUR ASSOCIATE ENGINEER, SO THEY'RE ALL HERE TO HELP OUT WITH THE PRESENTATION.
THIS IS OUR SEDONA IN MOTION UPDATE.
FIRST, ANDREW IS GONNA GO THROUGH SOME UPDATES THAT KIMLEY HORN IS KIND OF, UM, THEY'RE IN THE LEAD ON THESE PROJECTS AND THEY'VE GOT THE, THE BEST INFORMATION FOR THE UPDATE ON THESE.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANDREW FOR NOW.
AND COUNCIL, I'M GONNA HAVE TO USE THE NEW SEATING ARRANGEMENT HERE.
UH, ANDREW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE QUESTIONS AS WE GO, OR I DON'T MIND QUESTIONS AS WE GO? OKAY.
DO YOU NEED MORE LIVE? NO, THIS IS PERFECT.
SO COUNCIL WILL WILL GO INTO INFORMAL MODE WHERE YOU CAN JUST ASK YOUR QUESTIONS DIRECTLY WITHOUT ME CALLING ON YOU.
UH, SO IF YOU RECALL THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE FOR THE SIM UPDATE IN MAY, THIS WAS KIND OF THE OVERALL, UH, CORRIDOR WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT WERE IN DESIGN OR STUDYING, WHAT WE WERE CALLING THE, THE RANGER KIND OF BREWER, 89 8 CORRIDOR DOWN SOUTHWEST OF THE Y.
UH, SO KIND OF TODAY I'M GONNA TAKE IT FROM KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE VIEW, WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN HERE, AND THEN BRING IT DOWN ULTIMATELY TO SHOW PROGRESS ON SOME OF THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE, THE MOBILITY HUB OR RIDE PARK AS IT'S CALLED IN THE AGENDA BILL.
SO WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS A VISUALIZATION THAT WE COMPLETED THAT'S ALONG THE RANGER, UH, EXTENSION CORRIDOR, STARTING FROM THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IF YOU RECALL THE LAST MEETING, WE'D FINISHED THE DCR PHASE AND RECOMMENDED A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
WE HAVE SINCE TAKEN THAT TO, UH, WE'RE LEADING UP TO A 60% DESIGN OF THE ROUNDABOUT AND A PORTION OF, OF SOME OF THE RANGER EXTENSION.
SO WE START FROM THAT AREA, AND THEN WE ACTUALLY WORK OUR WAY NORTHWEST, ULTIMATELY TOWARDS THE FOREST RANGER 89 A INTERSECTION, WHICH ALSO WE JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED THE STUDY OF THAT INTERSECTION.
SO YOU'LL SEE WHAT WAS, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AT THAT, UH, THAT INTERSECTION.
UH, IT'S A, WHAT THE VISUALIZATION IS, IT'S, IT'S A STATIC, UH, RENDERING, UH, IN 3D USING A PROGRAM CALLED LUMON.
SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A VIDEO, BUT WE'VE TURNED IT INTO A VIDEO.
WE'VE ACTUALLY PANNED THROUGH IT.
SO YOU'LL SEE CARS THAT AREN'T ACTUALLY MOVING, DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE PARKING ALONG THE ROADWAY.
YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE ACTUALLY MOVING IN PLACE BUT NOT MOVING FORWARD.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE PROGRAM DOES THAT, BUT IT ADDS SOME DYNAMICS TO IT.
AND THEN BIRDS FLYING OVERHEAD,
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WHICH CONSTANTLY DISTRACT ME IN THE VIDEO.SO FORGIVE ME AS I DESCRIBE THE BIRDS AND THE SHADOWS.
UM, IT'S ABOUT A TWO AND A HALF MINUTE VIDEO, SO I'LL KIND OF DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS AS WE RUN THROUGH.
SO WE USE A GOOGLE EARTH PLATFORM TO KIND OF DRAPE OUR 3D MODEL IN.
WE'VE DONE ALL THIS IN AUTOCAD.
UH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS GROUND TO THE WORLD.
THIS IS, AS WE HEAD A LONG RANGER TO THE BREWER INTERSECTION.
LOOKING AT THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU SEE THAT PERSON BIKING IN PLACE ALONG THE SHARED USE PATH.
NOW WE'RE GOING ALONG THE RANGER EXTENSION TOWARDS THE NORTHWEST, ABOUT 10 FEET OFF THE GROUND.
AND THEN HERE'S WHERE WE HIT THE MOBILITY HUB OR RIDE PARK.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY MODELED AND ANALYZED, UH, THE NEED FOR BUS STOPS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE BUS STOPS, WHICH ARE IN A, UM, A SAWTOOTH PATTERN SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY PULL OFF OF RANGER OFF THE ROAD AND PICK UP.
AND THEN WE HAVE AN INTERNAL LOOP, UH, THAT RUNS THROUGH FOR TWO EXTRA SPACES.
AND SO AS WE LOOK THROUGH HERE, ONE THING TO NOTE, WHICH HAS KIND OF BEEN A QUESTION THAT'S COME UP QUITE OFTEN, I'M GONNA ACTUALLY PAUSE IT FOR A SECOND WHEN IT GETS TO IT.
ULTIMATELY WHAT WE DID WAS WE KIND OF TOOK IT, AGAIN, WORKING OUR WAY OUTSIDE IN.
SO WE KNOW THAT THE BASIS OF THIS HUB STARTED WITH TRANSIT.
SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT ULTIMATELY THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT OF THE TRANSIT PROGRAM OF THE, OF THE, THE FIXED ROUTES OF THE SHUTTLE SERVICE, AND LOOK AT HOW MANY SPACES WE ACTUALLY NEEDED FOR BUSES TO ACTUALLY MAKE THEIR ROUTES.
THEN FROM THERE, WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE SPACE AVAILABLE FOR A PARK.
UH, SO WE HAVE, AGAIN, FIVE SPACES AND A PARK WITH ENOUGH SPACE FOR GATHERING AREAS FOR, UH, PICNIC TABLES AND STILL ROOM FOR MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS, RESTROOMS, KIOSKS.
BUT THE BIG THING TO NOTE IS WE ONLY HAVE FIVE PARKING SPACES RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND THAT IS BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A, A MULTIMODAL HUB.
WE HAVE A SHARED USE PATH, WHICH EXTENDS ALL THE WAY FROM UPTOWN THROUGH THE HUB.
WE HAVE, UM, ONLY, AGAIN, ONLY FIVE SPACES BECAUSE WE STILL NEED ROOM FOR STAFF PARKING.
WE STILL NEED ROOM FOR, UH, WHEN BUS DRIVERS ARE TRANSITIONING OUT OF THEIR, UH, UH, THEIR ROUTES AND THEN POSSIBLY ROOM FOR PARATRANSIT OR ADA PICKUP DROP OFF.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET THERE BY CAR, YOU'VE GOTTA PARK AT THE GARAGE TO GET TO THIS STOP.
YOU GET HEREBY BUS YOU GET HERE BY BIKE OR YOU GET HERE BY FOOT.
AND THAT WAS PURPOSEFUL TO KINDA LOOK AT THIS SPACE, MORE OF AN ACTIVATED SPACE SUCH AS A PARK, A GATHERING PLACE, NOT JUST A HUB THAT SOME PEOPLE VISUALIZED AS BUSES AND CARS IN A GIANT CONCRETE JUNGLE.
THAT IS NOT THE GOAL OF ULTIMATELY THIS SPACE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY HUB, YOU MEAN THE RIDE PARK? RIDE PARK PARK, YES.
SO ARE THOSE BEING USED INTERCHANGEABLY NOW THEN? I AM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GOTTEN NECESSARILY TO THE FULL OKAY.
SO FORGIVE ME AS I KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO NAMES, BUT THERE'S NO PARKING SPACES TO RIDE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TO PARK RATHER.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING.
I I DON'T LIKE THE WE'LL, WE'LL, BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU THE, IT LOOKS LIKE A PARK AND RIDE AND THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS.
WE'LL GET TO THE KIND OF THE NAMING CONVENTION HERE SHORTLY.
THIS IS JUST KIND OF, AGAIN, TO KIND OF BRING IT FROM TWO 20,000 FOOT VIEW DOWN TO THE PARK TO KIND OF SEE WHAT WE'RE VISUALIZING IN TERMS OF HOW THE ROADWAY TRANSIT AND ULTIMATELY THE PARK ARE GONNA ALL BE INTERRELATED.
AND ALSO JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR THE AUDIENCE, UH, AT HOME AND, AND PRESENT WHERE, THIS IS NOT THE RANGER PARK, CORRECT.
THIS IS THE VACANT LAND THAT FRONTS 89 A BEHIND BREWER, THE, UM, COLDWELL BANKER, COLDWELL BANK.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, UM, MENTIONED PARK AND RIDE.
SO ARE, YOU MENTIONED THE GARAGE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE GARAGE WOULD BE THE PARK AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE RIDE
SO RIDE PARK IS THE MOBILITY HUB IS TURNING TO RIDE PARK.
THOSE ARE KIND OF USED INTERCHANGEABLY, NOT NECESSARILY PARK AND RIDE.
WELL YOU'D MENTIONED, YOU SAID GARAGE, SO I ASSUMED THAT THE PARKING WAS GONNA BE UP THERE.
IF THEY WOULD WALK DOWN TO THE RIDE ANYWHERE THEN IN THAT WAY, YES, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION.
AND I ASSUME THAT IN ARIZONA IN THE SUMMER, WE, WE MIGHT WANT TO PROVIDE COVERED SEATING FOR THOSE PEOPLE ALL SITTING IN THE SUN.
UH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS A LONG
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89 A.NOW WE'RE LOOKING BACK TOWARDS, UH, THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE SOUTHWEST, THE, THE FOREST INTERSECTION, THE FOREST RANGER INTERSECTION IS RECOMMENDED AS A ROUNDABOUT WILL KIND OF EXPAND ON WHERE THAT RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM FROM THE STUDY.
BUT THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT IS MODELED HERE IN THIS VISUALIZATION.
SO THAT'S JUST A NICE AERIAL VIEW TO SHOW ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS AREA WOULD LOOK LIKE AS PART OF THIS VISUALIZATION.
SO AGAIN, ROUNDABOUT AT THE FOREST INTERSECTION, THE RANGER EXTENSION DOWN TO THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT, AND IN BETWEEN IS RIDE PARK.
HAVE YOUR STUDIES INDICATED ANY PROBLEM AT 1 79 WHERE RANGER POPS OVER TO IT, UH, THAT YOU HAVE THE ROUNDABOUT THERE.
NOW DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT PLACE AS WELL? NO.
SO YOU'LL JUST DO SLIP SLIDE OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, THERE WAS, THERE'S DISCUSSION, I THINK A FUTURE PROJECT FOR A SLIP LANE SOUTHBOUND, AND THAT'S PART OF, AGAIN, THAT WAS BACK FROM THE MAY PRESENTATION.
WE HAD MODELED THAT AS A SLIP LANE.
UM, BUT THE ROUNDABOUT HERE, UH, REALLY, REALLY HELPS WITH THE, THE TRAFFIC INGESTION THROUGH THAT AREA.
BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED THAT PARKING, THE, THE TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BACK UP ALMOST TWO BREWER FROM THAT 1 79 CONNECTION.
AND IF IT COMES A LITTLE FURTHER BACK, IT'LL HAVE THE SAME JAMMING UP THAT YOU HAVE AT THE Y WHERE THE ONE JAMS AND THEN IT JAMS THE SECOND ONE.
THAT SO THAT'S WHAT THAT SLOW PLANE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, IT'S A FUTURE PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS MARKET.
IT HELPS PULL A COUPLE MORE CARS SO THAT WE ARE, THE MODEL SHOWS WE ARE WITH THIS PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT RANGER NEVER BACKS UP TO CONGEST THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO YOU CAN STILL FREE UP EVERYONE COMING OUT OF BREWER THROUGH THROUGH RANGER.
CAN I JUST ASK, WHAT IS IT THE DISTANCE FROM THAT NEW ROUNDABOUT TO THE EXISTING WESTERN ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ELIMINATED, RIGHT? OH, TO THE EXISTING BREWER ROUNDABOUT? YES.
UH, THESE ARE 800 FEET APART, SO WHICH WILL GIVE SO ADDITIONAL, BUT I AM CORRECT.
AND THE, THE WESTERN ROUNDABOUT WILL BE ELIMINATED REMOVED.
RIGHT NOW ONE OF THE MODELS IS A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY, SO IT WOULDN'T BE A FULL ACCESS ROUNDABOUT.
BUT IT'LL MAKE IT NEGOTIATING COMING DOWN COOKS HILL.
BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE Y IT'LL BE A LOT SAFER TO NEGOTIATE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN DOWN INTO ONCE EVERY NINE BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE A LOT MORE ROOM IN WHICH TO TRANSITION OVER TO THE RIGHT.
YEAH, I, THAT'S WHY I WANNA UNDERSTAND.
SO, WELL, ONE THING THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH THAT MOVEMENT ONTO 1 79 IS GONNA BE THE SLIP LANE, WHICH IS THAT FUTURE PROJECT, WHICH I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AS PART OF THIS MODEL.
THAT'S WHY WHEN HE WAS SAYING BEFORE THAT WITH THIS DESIGN, WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT BACKUP THAT YOU SEE TODAY BECAUSE THAT SLIP LANE ALLEVIATES THAT PRESSURE.
AND THE SLIP LANE'S NOT UP HERE OR IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? IT, IT'S JUST NOT SHOWN AS PART OF THE UH OKAY.
AND THE SLIP LANE WOULD ACTUALLY BE DOWN HERE, OFF THE SCREEN.
SO THIS IS THE FOREST RANGER INTERSECTION.
AND THEN THIS, SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING THAT ANOTHER, THE EXISTING ONE IS HERE.
YEAH, THE EXISTING BREWER IS RIGHT HERE.
SO, AND THAT EXPLAIN THAT TO ME AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO NOT TOTALLY DISAPPEAR, BUT IT'S GONNA TURN INTO A PARTIAL.
YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT'S MODEL IS A RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT.
SO EASTBOUND YOU CAN MAKE A RIGHT AND STILL HEAD SOUTHBOUND ON BREWER.
AND IF YOU'RE COMING NORTH ON BREWER, YOU CAN STILL MAKE A RIGHT TOWARDS, UH, THE 1 79 89 A DO YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL OVERHEAD SHOT? YEAH.
MAYBE BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT THOUGH.
UM, SO PEOPLE COMING NORTH ON 1 79 WILL BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT INTO THAT? YES.
AND HOW DOES, I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PROBABLY A PINCH POINT.
NOW WHY WOULD IT BE DIFFERENT? YOU HAVE TO WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT FOR PEOPLE COMING DOWN FROM THE, FROM THE Y WHO ARE GOING SOUTH ON 1 79 AND THEN SOMEONE HAS TO LET YOU THROUGH.
AND THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT, BUT DOES IT MAKE IT WORSE? NO.
AND AND, AND PART OF THAT TOO IS THAT IF WE DO INTERRUPT THAT SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC, NOW WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR SOUTHBOUND 1 79, WHICH IS PART OF THE PROBLEM WHEN THAT SOUTHBOUND BACKS UP INTO THE Y MM-HMM.
SO WHILE THERE IS SOME DELAY ON THAT LEFT TURN NORTHBOUND ONTO RANGER, WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GIVE THAT PREFERENCE OVER THE OVERALL SYSTEM.
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OKAY.SO, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S JUST A LEFT TURN WHEN YOU CAN, WHEN YOU CAN MAKE IT.
IS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF SIGNALING THAT, OR YOU KNOW, WATCHING WHAT THE VOLUME IS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND CHANGING THE TIMING? WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ACTUALLY A SIGNAL THAT WOULD WORK FOR TRANSIT ONLY.
SO IT WOULD GIVE PREFERENCE TO OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
I DON'T REMEMBER SAYING THAT BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE THE CONNECTION UP TO RIDE PARK.
AND THAT ONCE THE SIGNAL IS IN, IF WE HAVE TO MODIFY IT, WE HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING THAT.
SO, SO THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, THE, THIS IS EXPECTED TO BE FAIRLY HEAVILY USED BECAUSE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE WEST AND WANT TO GO DOWN 1 79 OR PEOPLE COMING IN AND DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE Y BACK AND FORTH, THERE'S GONNA BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC REALLY CLOSE TO A PARK.
SO IT, IT'LL BE SIGNED AS, YOU KNOW, A BYPASS, IT WILL NOT BE A, A PART OF THE STATE ROUTE SYSTEM.
SO THIS WILL NOT BE THE PRIMARY CONNECTION BETWEEN 1 79 AND 89 A STILL, IT'LL BE AN ALLEVIATE OF IT, BUT, SO IT'LL BE LOCALS AND ANYONE WHO HAS AN UPDATED SOFTWARE SYSTEM ON THEIR CAR? YES.
UM, I'M JUST, AND THEN THE, UH, THE SHARED USE PATH IS BEING, IS SHOWN THERE ON THE FAR SIDE.
SO, UM, WHERE THE CARS GO WHEN THEY'RE JUST PASSING THROUGH, THAT'S ALL ON THE BOTTOM TO THE NORTH, RIGHT? UH, SO GOING AROUND THE PARK, I'M, I'M, I'M WONDERING ABOUT CARS INTERACTING WITH CHILDREN RUNNING OUT TO GET THEIR BALL
UM, YEAH, THE, THAT'S THE NICE THING ABOUT THE, WHERE THE TRANSIT SITS.
IT'S, IT PLACES THE PARK FURTHER BACK FROM THE THROUGHWAY.
SO THE PARK IS NESTLED BACK HERE ACTUALLY BETWEEN, THERE'S A, THROUGH THROUGH TRAFFIC, THERE'S THE BUS PULLOUTS, SECONDARY BUS PULLOUT, AND THEN THE PARK.
THE PARK SITS BACK FROM RANGER EXTENSION BY A HUNDRED FEET AND THE, AND JUST BY A SETBACK THERE, PEOPLE WALKING OR BIKING IN ON THE SHARED USE PATH ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.
ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THOUGH IS THAT ONCE WE GET INTO, THIS IS STILL VERY CONCEPTUAL.
ONCE WE GET INTO A FULL DESIGN, WE'LL BE WANTING TO LOOK AT MULTIMODAL CONNECTIONS TO THIS REGION CUZ IT IS A MOBILITY PARK.
UM, SO VERY LIKELY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DESIGNED YET, BUT YOU SEE KIND OF A CROSSWALK HERE.
VERY LIKELY WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER CROSSWALK EXTENDING HERE, AN ADDITIONAL SHARED USE PATH CONNECTION OVER TO THIS AREA OVER WHICH THIS WOULD TAKE YOU MORE DIRECTLY STRAIGHT INTO UPTOWN, AS WELL AS THIS IS GONNA CONNECT YOU UP THROUGH THE FOREST ROAD, UM, EXTENSION.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY FOR THAT, FOR THOSE FACILITIES.
AND IS THAT PROJECTED TO WHERE THE, THEY THE GAS STATION, THE OLD GAS STATION IS, IS THAT WHY? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THAT WOULD BE ON THAT LOWER CORNER.
IF YOU COULD JUST PUT THE HAND THERE SO PEOPLE CAN VISUALIZE WHERE ROUGHLY WOULD THAT BE? I, I THINK THERE, IT MAKES SENSE FOR THERE TO BE A MULTIMODAL CONNECTION HERE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IN THE LOOKING AT BREWER AND WHAT THAT REDEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE IS, SORRY, I KEEP DOING, WE'RE FIGHTING OVER THE CURSOR HERE.
UM, WHAT THAT ALSO LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE, I THINK IS LOOKING AT BREWER ROAD AND IMPROVING THE MULTIMODAL, UM, ASPECT OF THAT FACILITY AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I CAN SPECULATE FOR YOU, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL THAT WE COULD PUT INTO THIS WHOLE AREA HERE FOR MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENTS.
I WHY I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE WERE GONNA ELIMINATE THAT.
ROUNDABOUT AND I'M HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING WHY WE'RE NOT THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT.
WE ESSENTIALLY ARE, IT'S, IT'S ADDITIONAL CONNECTION AND AS AN EXAMPLE FOR SOMEONE, GO BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE OVERALL BACK ONE MORE? YEAH.
SO THERE'S STILL, UH, FRONTAGE ALONG HERE, DRIVEWAY ACCESS ALONG BREWER.
SO ELIMINATING THIS INTERSECTION COMPLETELY WOULD CREATE PEOPLE HAVING TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO GET ACCESS TO THE DRIVE, SPECIFICALLY AS CALDWELL BANKERS.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT AS A RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT, IF YOU ARE COMING ALONG BREWER AND YOU WANT TO GO INTO UPTOWN, YOU'D STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND UP INTO UPTOWN IF YOU WANNA GO WEST.
THIS LEFT TURN IS NO LONGER NEEDED.
SO WE'LL ELIMINATED BECAUSE YOU WOULD TAKE THE RANGER EXTENSION UP THROUGH THE FOREST ROUND
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ABOUT AND HEAD WEST ON 89, A SIMILAR KIND OF AS YOU RETURN, YOU STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO TAKE BREWER DIRECTLY SOUTH AS OPPOSED TO THE LONGER ROUTE OF THE RANGER EXTENSION THROUGH A TRANSIT HUB, SORRY, THROUGH RIDE PARK AND ULTIMATELY THROUGH, UM, WHERE THERE'D BE MORE BUSES.SO LEAVING THAT THAT OPEN IS STILL IMPORTANT TO OVERALL RELIEF OF CONGESTION AND PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE ROUTES.
BUT IT WILL NO LONGER BE A FULL ACCESS ROUNDABOUT BY ANY MEANS.
BUT I, WHAT I'M HEARING IN RESPONSE TO, IN RESPONSE TO, UM, COUNSELOR P'S QUESTION I'M HEARING IT'S A, IT'S ACTUALLY A CONVENIENCE FOR RESIDENTS WHO STILL CAN GET DIRECTLY TO THEIR HOMES AND TO WHERE THEY WANNA GO WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND.
IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
I WOULD SAY, AND ALSO THE OTHER QUICK ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS WE ARE ELIMINATING THE ROUNDABOUT, RIGHT? IT, IT'LL BE A MODIFIED INTERSECTION.
THE INTERSECTION WON'T GO AWAY.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT ANDREW WAS TRYING TO SAY, BUT THE ROUNDABOUT GOES AWAY.
BUT COMING FROM DOWNTOWN ON 89 A, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT ONTO IT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO LET ME GO BACK TO, I'M LOOKING AT THAT MAP ZOOMED IN.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS THE WESTERN ROUNDABOUT, BECAUSE OVER THERE I THINK IS THE EASTERN ROUNDABOUT AT THE, AT UH, THE 1 79 89 A INTERSECTION.
SO IF YOU WANNA COME DOWN FROM WEST SEDONA AND YOU WANT TO GO TO UPTOWN, YOU CAN STILL GA MAKE A STRAIGHT SHOT.
IT'S JUST REALLY NOT CLEAR FROM THIS PARTICULAR MAP.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING.
AND YEAH, THIS ACCESS WILL ALWAYS REMAIN.
YOU'RE EAST TO NORTH MOVING INTO UPTOWN.
AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE GOALS JUST PROVIDING, AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO JUST RELIEF OF CONGESTION, ALTERNATIVE ROUTES IS SOME OF THE EARLIER MODELS WE PRESENTED, THERE'S LESS CONGESTION ALONG THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION.
SO IT IS LESS CONGESTION AS YOU ACTUALLY MAKE THAT MOVEMENT, RATHER THAN BEING STUCK ALL THE WAY UP COOKS HILL AND UP TO AIRPORT ROAD.
AND WHAT IS THIS HERE, WHICH IS NUMBER THE BOTTOM? THIS, THIS IS BREWER RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS WAS PART OF THIS IS SHOWING THAT THE RANGER, BREWER AND RANGER EXTENSION PROJECT IS PART OF IT IS STUDYING WHAT TO DO WITH BREWER AND THE MODIFYING INTERSECTION AND THE RANGER EXTENSION AND ULTIMATELY THE, THE ROUNDABOUT DESIGN FOR, OKAY.
SO THAT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED.
WE COMPLETED THE DESIGN CONCEPT REPORT.
SO IT'S A ROUNDABOUT THAT'S IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW? NO, BUT THIS EXTENSION HERE, WHAT'S, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
THAT'S WHAT, OKAY, I TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND YOU'RE GONNA GET TO WHAT IS THE GREEN OVER HERE EXPLAINING THAT SHORTLY? OR WHAT AM I MISSING THERE? UH, THAT'S THE PORTAL CONNECTION THAT WAS PART OF THE OVERALL MODEL.
SO THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS A MAP FROM, FROM MAY THAT, UM, AGAIN, IT WAS JUST MEANT TO SHOW ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND HOW THEY'RE ALL OBVIOUSLY INTERRELATED.
AND WHERE, DO YOU HAVE A MAP SHOWING THE SLIP LANE THAT YES, IT'S NUMBER 11.
SO WE CALL IT A AUXILIARY LANE THERE.
SO IT'LL HAVE A SLIP COMPONENT ALLOWING IT TO MERGE WITH 1 79 MORE EASILY.
BUT THE AUXILIARY PART IS AN EXTENDED ADDITIONAL LANE ON 1 79.
I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT THE SLIP LANE WAS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ON 89 A MAKING A RIGHT TURN ON TO 1 79 OR INTO THIS NEW ROAD AT THE NEW ROUNDABOUT.
SO THIS IS SORT OF IN FRONT OF ALPAC COMING OUT OF RAIN ROAD, MAKING A RIGHT TURN SLIPPING INTO AND ACTUALLY MERGE LANE WOULD BE BETTER MERGING INTO SOUTHBOUND 1 79.
IT IT IS, BUT I MADE THAT DISTINCTION THAT IT'S ALSO AN AUXILIARY LANE, MEANING THAT WE'RE GIVING ADDITIONAL LINK FOR THAT WEAVING THAT WILL OCCUR BETWEEN THROUGH TRAFFIC AND THE MERGING TRAFFIC COMING FROM RANGER THAT AUXILIARY LANE.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S A RIGHT TURN LANE THAT GOES INTO PORTAL.
THAT RIGHT TURN LANE WILL BE CONVERTED INTO BA AN ADDITIONAL THROUGH LANE FOR A SHORT SEGMENT, BUT IT'LL EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO RANGER ROAD.
THAT'LL ALLOW TRAFFIC TO MORE EFFICIENTLY GET ONTO 1 79.
BUT HOW DOES THAT SHORT RUN? CUZ IT'S ONLY SOUTHBOUND AND FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, AND I HAVE THE SAME IMAGE BLOWN UP HERE, UM, IT'S STILL GONNA BOTTLENECK HEADING SOUTHBOUND THERE.
THE, THERE WILL BE SOME FRICTION THERE STILL, BUT BY ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS, IT'LL HELP THAT MERGING MOVEMENT OCCUR MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN IT DOES
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RIGHT NOW.IT MOVES, IT MOVES THE, IT ADDS SOME STORAGE ON THE HIGHWAY AND MOVES THE MERGE TO THE HIGHWAY RATHER THAN ON RANGER ITSELF.
SO IT PULLS, SO IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD 10 CARS STACKED TO THE INTERSECTION AS WE WOULD RIGHT NOW, THEN IT NOW CREATES A BOTTLENECK, NOT LAND RANGER, BUT IT BACKS A BREWER NORTHBOUND.
SO IF WE ADD AN AUXILIARY LANE AND PULL RIGHT TURN TRAFFIC, NOW YOU'RE MOVING THE MERGE DOWN 1 79.
SO YOU'RE PULLING A COUPLE VEHICLES JUST ULTIMATELY FREE UP THE RANGER BREWER INTERCHANGE.
DO YOU HAVE MODELING NUMBERS THAT REFLECT THAT? YEAH, WE'VE MODELED IT.
I DON'T HAVE THAT HERE TODAY, BUT IT'S ALL BEEN, IT'S ALL BEEN MODELED.
I HAVE JUST TO, YOU SAID THAT THE SLIP LEG IS A FUTURE PROJECT, UM, AND THAT, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHY IS IT A FUTURE PROJECT IF IT SEEMS SO INTEGRAL TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROJECT IN TERMS OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO RELIEVE THE BACKUPS WITHOUT THE SLIP BLADE.
WHY IS IT A FUTURE PROJECT? IT IT'S IN OUR PROGRAMMING.
AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THIS HUB PROJECT, OR I'M SORRY, DIFFERENT NAME, THE RIDE PARK WILL TAKE MANY YEARS TO GET COMPLETED.
WE STILL HAVE TIME TO STILL START THAT OTHER PROJECT AND COMPLETE IT BEFORE RIDE PARK.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T STARTED IT YET.
SO IT'S, IT'S A FUTURE PROJECT, BUT IT'S NOT FUTURE IN TERMS OF OF WHEN OF, OF SEQUENTIALLY BEING BUILT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE BACKING UP FROM ONE OF THE, THE Y INTERSECTION TO THE BREWER INTERSECTION, THE ROUNDABOUT THERE IS PEOPLE GOING OUT, BREWER NOW WANT TO TURN LEFT IF THEY WANT TO GO WEST, IT BECOMES MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT I THINK THAT SIGNAGE AND, AND STREET MARKINGS THAT SAY DO NOT BLOCK THIS AREA WHEN BACKED UP OR WHATEVER WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF THAT.
AND I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE DIFFICULTY THAT WE HAVE TODAY WITH NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC ON BREWER GETTING ONTO 89 A.
UM, WHAT WILL ALSO HAPPEN AS WE TAKE THESE TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND WE PULL THEM APART ESSENTIALLY BY MOVING ONE ROUNDABOUT OVER TO THE FOREST ROAD INTERSECTION, WE, WE PULL SOME OF THAT FRICTION APART.
WE GIVE STACKING DISTANCE IN BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUTS.
BUT LOOKING FURTHER AHEAD, WHEN YOU GET AN EVENT AND IT BACKS UP ALL THE WAY UP COOKS HILL, YOU'LL STILL NEED AT THE EXTENSION FOR FOREST, THAT MARKING AND SIGNAGE TO PREVENT, TO ASSIST IN THAT SAME PROBLEM.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S VERY POSSIBLE AND WE CERTAINLY CAN, CAN INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY LOOK AT AT OTHER INTER INTERSECTIONS.
SO ANYWAY,
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE'VE ACTUALLY PLACED, UH, ACTUALLY SOME OF THE TERRAIN AND MOUNTAINS INTO THE IMAGES THEMSELVES.
SO THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS IN GOOGLE EARTH AND NOW WE'RE ABLE TO, WITH SOME OF THESE GROUND STATIC IMAGES, STITCH IN, UH, ACTUAL PICTURES TO REALLY PLACE THE RIDE PARK.
THIS IS AGAIN, LOOKING TOWARDS THE, THE BUS STOPS AND THEN THE, THE FIVE SPACES OF PARKING HERE AND THEN LOOKING TO KIND OF THE SEATING AREA.
CAN I ASK, SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT MODALITIES, UM, AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, WHERE WE CAN PUT IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES, CHARGING STATIONS, WHAT ABOUT CHARGING FOR ELECTRIC BICYCLES? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY DURING DESIGN WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UM, AND WORKING WITH ROBERT ON THIS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL CHARGING FOR THE TRANSIT BUSES AS WELL.
SO, UM, YEAH, I I THINK WE'LL NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE KIND OF AMENITIES AT THIS PART FOR SURE.
AND THEN JUST OTHER OVERALL THAT WE WERE ALREADY LOOKING AT.
SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? YEAH.
SO FROM THAT SLIDE, WHERE IS THE, WHY IT'S FURTHER DOWN? YEAH, DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT SHOWS THAT? YEAH.
I MEAN THIS ONE, THIS, THE FOCUS OF THIS VIEW IS TO LOOK AT THIS ENTIRE AREA SOUTHWEST OF THE Y BUT WE DO, WE DO HAVE THAT.
WE JUST, I DON'T HAVE THAT FOR THE, THE PRESENTATION TODAY.
IT'S BETTER SHOWN KIND OF WHEN THAT FIRST IMAGE HAS SHOWED ALL THE PROJECTS.
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THE TI SORT OF THE GENERAL TIMING IS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? SO LET'S SEE.SOME OF IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON FUNDING.
ONE THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THIS PROJECT, AS WELL AS OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, UH, FACILITY IS FEDERAL FUNDING.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S AT LEAST A FEW YEARS OUT BEFORE WE WOULD BE GETTING INTO CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT'S THE BEST RANGE I CAN GIVE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON HOW THAT FUNDING STARTS.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TRANSIT YET, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT FOR THREE YEARS, SO.
SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BASICALLY BE GOING ALONG WITH THE TRANSIT MOVEMENT IMPLEMENTATION.
SO JUST, JUST TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH THIS BREWER RANGER INTERSECTION DESIGN CONCEPT REPORT COMPLETED, AND WE'RE AT A 60% DESIGN, SO WE'VE GOT ANOTHER SIX MONTHS LEFT IN DESIGN TO FINISH THAT UP.
THE RANGER EXTENSION IS AT 30% PLANS, SO NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR TO COMPLETE THAT DESIGN.
THE FOREST, UH, RANGER 89 A INTERSECTION JUST COMPLETED THE INTERSECTION ANALYSIS AND THE STUDY.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO 30% DRAWING.
SO THAT DESIGN IS A YEAR PLUS AWAY OUT TWO.
SO WE HAVE STAGGERED THE PROJECT SO WE CAN KEEP THE DESIGNS RUNNING, BUT AS ANDY SAID, WE STILL HAVE OPTIONS IN TERMS OF ULTIMATELY HOW THESE PHASE IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION, WHERE ARE WE WITH ADOT FOR THE RANGER FOREST ROUND? FOR THE RANGER FOREST EXTENSION? UM, FOR THE INTERSECTION? YEAH.
YEAH, SO WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED WITH ADO ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY COORDINATED WITH THEM ON SOME, UH, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH NACOG.
SO THEY'RE AWARE OF THE PROJECT.
UH, WE, WE STILL HAVEN'T STARTED ANY KIND OF ACTUAL DESIGN YET, BUT, UM, WE'VE APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT FUNDING AND UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE AT GETTING THAT FUNDING.
DO THEY HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT? THEY, THEY DID, YES.
I MEAN THIS WHOLE PROJECT, IT ADDRESSES THE ISSUES FOR THE, THAT PROJECT, BUT WE'RE ALL SEEING AT THE Y SOUTHBOUND FROM UPTOWN COMING DOWN TO, IF YOU WANNA GO DOWN TO 1 79, I THINK IT WAS COUNSELOR THOMPSON MENTIONED, I THINK IT WAS, OR COUNSELOR.
ONE OF THE COUNSELORS ON THIS SIDE OF ME SAID THAT THERE'S STILL A TIRE.
THERE'S A PROM COMING THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
IS THERE ANY PLAN ON LOOKING AT THAT? WHAT OR WHAT CAN BE DONE IS NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THAT? IF THEY'RE TAKING, I'M SURE THEY'RE TAKING STATS OCCASIONALLY DURING THE COURSE OF A YEAR.
THEY SEE HOW MUCH OF A TIE UP THAT'S, THAT'S CAUSING A LOT OF THE TIE UP ON COOKS HILL COMING DOWN.
IF YOU WANT TO GO TO UPTOWN, YOU'RE, IT'S A GRIDLOCK.
SO WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT, UH, WHAT KIND OF THOUGHTS ARE YOU LOOKING AT FOR THAT AREA IN THE FUTURE? WELL, THE FIRST THING I WOULD SAY IS GOING BACK TO THE OVERALL REGIONAL MODEL AND, AND WHEN I SAY REGION, I MEAN COOKS HILL TO 1 79 TO UPTOWN.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE FOUND THAT DOWNSTREAM ISSUES BEING NORTHBOUND INTO UPTOWN FOREST ROAD CONNECTION, COOKS HILL, UM, THOSE, THOSE ISSUES, WE HAVE PROJECTS IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
I'M AWARE ONCE THOSE ARE BUILT, IT WILL IMPROVE THE OVERALL SYSTEM SIGNIFICANTLY AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT A SPECIFIC MOVEMENT LIKE, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT ADO DOESN'T HAVE ANY PROJECT IN PLACE RIGHT NOW FOR IMPROVEMENT OF THAT.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE OUR MODELS AND LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN REFINE SOME OF THESE LITTLE CHOKE POINTS THAT WE HAVE AND MAKE THOSE, THAT'S MORE OF A MINOR IMPROVEMENT UNLESS SOMEDAY WE LOOK TO COMPLETELY REBUILD THAT ROUNDABOUT.
CAUSE I KNOW A, A YEAR OR SO AGO THEY DID A TEST THERE FOR SOME THEY PUT STRIPING DOWN OR THEY PUT UH, HALF OF CANNIBALS DOWN TO, AND IT DIDN'T WORK AT ALL.
THERE WAS A TEST RUN AND THEN IT WAS DECIDED TO MAKE STRIPING AND SIGNAGE IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT'S NOW COMPLETE.
UM, BUT THOSE, THAT WAS A MINOR PROJECT, IT WASN'T INTENDED TO NECESSARILY HAVE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.
IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY IMPROVEMENT, SO.
THE, UM, RENDERING HERE OF THE
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NEW ROUNDABOUT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM SHOWS ONE LANE OF ENTRY AT EACH ENTRY POINT.IS THAT, IS THAT AN ACCURATE RENDERING OF HOW YOU YES.
FOR THE YEAH, THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT IS A SINGLE LANE.
AND YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T THINK THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A SECOND LANE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BUNCHING UP INTO A RIGHT TURN IF THERE'S A BACKUP OR ANYTHING? CUZ OUR OTHER ROUNDABOUTS HAVE BASICALLY TWO LANE ENTRY POINTS.
SO IT, WE, WE DIDN'T FIND THAT IT NEEDED TO BE MORE THAN A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT, BUT WE DID BUILD, UH, DESIGN IT, I SHOULD SAY, UH, TO BE A MUCH BIGGER ROUNDABOUT THAN, FOR INSTANCE, THE JORDAN ROUNDABOUT.
THE, UH, THE SIZE OF IT IS BIGGER.
UM, AND THE GEOMETRY ON IT IS, IS MORE ACCOMMODATING BECAUSE WE, WE, WE TOOK THE INTERSECTION AND MOVED IT TO THE WEST AND THAT CREATED THE SPACE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN IT THE WAY WE, WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO.
AND THE JORDAN ROUNDABOUT, WE WERE SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES.
WE WERE LIMITED IN A REAL ESTATE TO FIT IT.
PLUS WE HAD TWO SOUTHBOUND LANES, ONE NORTHBOUND LANE AND WE HAD TO MAKE IT A SYMMETRICAL JUST TO FIT EVERYTHING.
UH, IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A MORE TYPICAL SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT WITH UH, AND WITH, UH, MORE STANDARDIZED ENTRY POINTS.
AND WE'VE HAD, WE HAVE AN ENTIRE ROUNDABOUT TEAM, ONE IN CALIFORNIA AND ONE IN MINNEAPOLIS THAT ARE, ARE ACTUALLY, THEY LOOK AT THESE AS WELL AND, AND RUN KIND OF A TRUTH CHECK ON 'EM JUST TO SEE SITE DISTANCE DEFLECTION AND, AND SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.
IF YOU RECALL LAST TIME WE HAD, WE HAD LOOKED AT DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS.
AROUNDABOUT, WE HAD A FIVE LEG ROUNDABOUT THAT BROUGHT PORTAL RIGHT INTO IT.
WE HAD JUST A STANDARDIZED INTERSECTION AND THEN WE HAD FOUR LANE, THE FOUR LEG ROUNDABOUT WITH A SINGLE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.
SO NOW TO TAKE IT TO A 60% DESIGN, THAT'S WHERE YOU MAKE SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS, CHECK THE GEOMETRY AND TAKE IT TO THOSE NEXT DESIGN ITERATIONS.
BUT, AND THEN WE TRUTH CHECK THAT AGAINST THE MODEL TO LOOK AT IF THE CAPACITY IS, IS SUFFICIENT.
AND RIGHT NOW WITH FUTURE PROJECTIONS, IT IS, IS AS ONE LANE IN EACH TRAVEL DIRECTION IS, IS THERE AN OPTION FOR THE RIDE PARK TO BE ANY LARGER THAN IT IS FOOTPRINT OR IS THAT FILLING UP THE ENTIRE SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US? WE ARE LIMITED WITH SOLDIER WASH, UH, CUZ WE'RE IN THE FLOODWAY.
SO A LOT OF IT, WE BASICALLY TOOK THE RANGER EXTENSION AND PUT THE NORTHBOUND LANE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE FLOODWAY.
UH, AND, AND THEN FROM THERE WE BUILT THE TRANSIT STOPS AND THEN RIDE PARK.
THIS IS ACTUALLY, AND, AND WE TALKED TO ROBERT ABOUT THIS ROBERT WEBER IS AGAIN, WE WANTED TO KINDA LOOK AT WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM FOOTPRINT WE NEED FOR TRANSIT, BUT AS KIND OF THE TRANSIT PROGRAM EVOLVES, THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT THIS, THESE TWO LANES INTERIOR COULD GO AWAY AND THEN WE'D HAVE MORE FOOTPRINT FOR THE PARK.
IN THIS CASE, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT ULTIMATELY WHAT'S KIND OF OUR SMALLEST SIZE AND WHAT CAN WE ACTUALLY FIT THAT'S A USABLE SPACE.
AND, AND WE STILL FOUND THAT IT'S, YOU HAVE QUITE A BIT OF SPACE JUST FOR, AGAIN, TO ACTIVATE THE SPACE AND ACTUALLY USE IT RATHER THAN JUST BE WAITING FOR A BUS.
BUT IF THERE WERE OTHER GREAT USES THAT WE THOUGHT OF, COULD YOU EXPAND IT TO THE SOUTH AND THE WEST? THERE'S ACTUALLY SPACE IN THE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS OVER HERE ON THE EAST SIDE, NOT, NOT BEING UTILIZED.
SO THERE IS ROOM FOR NOT TO THE SOUTH AND THE WEST.
WE KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S POCKETS OF SPACE, BUT IT GOES BACK TO THE POINT WE DON'T REALLY WANT A PARK SEPARATED BY A A THROUGH ROAD FOR SAFETY.
SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF TUCK THE PARK AND THE SHARED USE PATH OFF FROM TRANSIT AND, AND TRAFFIC.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE PEGGED OUT EVERY THE SPACE IN TERMS OF UP TO THE, THE PARCEL LIMITS UNTIL WE'D NEED TO ACQUIRE MORE RIGHT AWAY.
CAN I GO BACK TO THE FOREST RANGER ROUNDABOUT? SO IT LOOKS LIKE FROM EITHER DIRECTION YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET ONTO FOREST ROAD.
SO ORIGINALLY IT WAS ONLY GONNA BE IN ONE DIRECTION, I THOUGHT.
SO THE CURRENT, UM, DESIGN THAT WE'RE BUILDING, WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION ON, UH, DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ROUNDABOUT.
IT DOES HAVE LIMITATIONS ON ACCESS.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO SOUTHBOUND LEFT.
COMING OUT OF THE CURRENT FOREST CONSTRUCTION.
IT'LL BE FULL ACCESS WHEN THE ROUNDABOUT GOES INTO PLACE.
WHERE ARE WE AT THERE? OKAY, SO RIDE PARK.
AND AGAIN, JUST JUST KIND OF STEPPING BACK IN TERMS OF WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE NAME.
SO IT STARTED WITH REALLY THE OBJECTIVES OF, WE'LL CALL IT A MOBILITY HUB
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AND IT'S PROVI TO PROVIDE EFFICIENT AND SEAMLESS INTEGRATION OF SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION.AND WE PULLED THESE FROM PAST PROJECTS FROM SOME OF OUR GROUPS IN CALIFORNIA AND JUST KIND OF AROUND THE COUNTRY IN TERMS ULTIMATELY WHAT'S THE GOAL OF A, A MOBILITY HUB, UH, FOCUSES ON IMPROVING USER EXPERIENCE OF DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.
BIKE PAD, BUS CAR, UH, REALLY TRULY MULTI MOBILE ENSURES SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR ALL TRAVELERS.
YOU WANT TO FEEL SAFE AND SECURE BOTH AS YOU TRAVELERS, EVEN AS YOU WAIT AT A BUS STOP.
UM, CREATIVE CREATES A SENSE OF PLACE THROUGH EFFECTIVE AND MEANINGFUL PLACE MAKING STRATEGIES.
AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO JUST BE A CONCRETE JUNGLE WITH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF BENCHES AND A BUNCH OF BUSES AND VEHICLES.
THAT IS NOT THE GOAL OF THIS PROJECT AT ALL.
UH, AND CREATES OPPORTUNITY TO FORM EFFECTIVE PARTNERSHIPS.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WANNA OPEN THIS UP, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY OUTSIDE OF JUST, UM, IT'S A DONOR TRANSIT.
UH, SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE OBJECTIVES AND THEN AGAIN ON THE, ON THE RIGHT THERES IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS PUT TOGETHER IN TERMS OF CREATING IT AS A PARK.
UM, SO WE TAKE A CONCEPT, WE TAKE GOALS, AND THEN WE START TO LOOK AT ULTIMATELY WHAT, WHAT A NAME WOULD FIT IN TERMS OF TYING OBJECTIVES TO ULTIMATELY CONCEPT NEXT LINE.
IMAGINE YOU DO CREATES OPPORTUNITIES TO FORM EFFECTIVE PARTNERSHIPS.
AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT, THAT THAT'S, IF THIS EXPANDS OUTSIDE OF, OF STRICTLY SEDONA TRANSIT.
SO IF THERE'S OUTSIDE, IF YOU HAVE PARATRANSIT OR IF YOU HAVE, UM, OTHER AGENCIES THAT WANT TO WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU, AS YOU START TO LOOK AT ULTIMATELY WORKING ON MOBILITY HUBS, ASSUMING THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSIT SYSTEMS. CUZ THERE'S NOTHING NOW EXCEPT THE COTTONWOOD, WHICH WE ARE ALREADY PART OF.
BUT I, I THINK PART OF IT TOO, AND THIS IS FROM SOME OF THE PAST EXPERIENCES, IF YOU START TO EMBARK ON, ON TRANSIT HUBS OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FACILITIES, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T LIMIT YOURSELVES JUST STRICTLY TO SEDONA PROPERTY.
IF YOU HAVE OTHER AGENCIES, OTHER PARTNERS THAT WANT TO ENGAGE TO MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE FOR THE PUBLIC, DO SO.
SO THAT, THAT'S JUST A POINT, THE GOOD IDEA.
WE DIDN'T EVEN, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THAT BEFORE.
AND VICE MAYOR, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, UM, ANDREW AND AND ANDY MENTIONED EARLIER IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MULTIMODAL.
SO FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, E-BIKE RENTAL OR, YOU KNOW, IN IN PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, THERE COULD BE OTHER FUTURE EMERGING TYPES OF, OF MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS SORT OF ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT'S ALLOCATED HERE.
NOW I UNDERSTOOD THAT I JUST DIDN'T NEED TO THINK ABOUT FUTURE TRANSIT SYSTEMS FROM OTHER NEIGHBORING CITIES AND THIS WOULD GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO DROP PEOPLE OFF AND THEN GET ON OUR SYSTEM.
THAT, WHICH IS GREAT FORESIGHT.
UH, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA BOARD WE PUT TOGETHER FOR ALL PROJECTS WHERE WE START TO WORK IN FROM A CONCEPT PLAN AND TYING IT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE LOOK AT, UM, THIS IS AGAIN JUST A STARTING POINT.
WE HAVE A MAP AND WE HAVE IDEA BOARDS AND WE START TO REALLY BUILD WHAT, WHAT ULTIMATELY THIS PARK WILL LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS A KIND OF A, A REAL, A STARTING POINT WHERE YOU WORK WITH STAFF AND THEN ULTIMATELY THIS GETS PRESENTED TO, TO T COUNCIL.
SO JUST KIND OF A LOOK INTO OUR PROCESS AS WE START TO GENERATE IDEAS FOR THE PARK.
ARE THERE ANY GOING TO BE, ANY RESIDENTS INVOLVED IN DISCUSSING WHAT'S IN THIS PARK? WELL, YOU WILL HAVE TO GO, ONCE WE GET INTO DESIGN, WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS THAT WILL INCLUDE PUBLIC OUTREACH.
AND I, TO THAT POINT, UH, IN YOUR MODELING, THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE ON BREWER ROAD AND IT'S A CONGESTED ROAD AND IT ALSO HAS ACCESS PROBLEMS AND WE WERE FOCUSING ON IT FOR EMERGENCY EVACUATION.
HOW IS THIS GONNA IMPACT THAT THE, THE TRAFFIC? NOW ONE THING, I MEAN ANDREW CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THE LEVEL OF SERVICE MODELING AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT JUST IN GENERAL WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY INTRODUCING A HIGHER LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY HERE.
YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY IF YOU LOOK AT, AT WHAT CONNECTIONS LOOK LIKE IN THIS AREA AS FAR AS ACCESS, THE ACCESS IS GREATLY IMPROVED WITH NEW INTERSECTIONS, MODIFIED INTERSECTIONS, UM, AND CAN, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO I THINK THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL BE GREATLY IMPROVED AND THAT'S WHAT OUR MODELING HAS SHOWED IT.
AND RIGHT BEFORE THE MAY SIM UPDATE WE HAD HAD A, A PUBLIC OUTREACH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND SO WE PRESENTED THE MODEL AND OUR FINDINGS
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AND THE DESIGN CONCEPT REPORT.I THINK 90 TO A HUNDRED PEOPLE ATTENDED AND THEN WE FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH THE SIM UPDATE AND PRESENTED THE SAME MODEL.
IT IS AN IMPROVED LEVEL OF SERVICE, CERTAINLY FROM WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT IS ALSO TIED TO A LOT OF THE OVERALL SYSTEM WIDE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AS PART OF SIM.
THE OTHER THING I'LL ADD IS THERE IS THE ONGOING, UH, EVACUATION EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STUDY.
WE HAVE SHARED OUR VSM MODEL WITH THAT CONSULTANT AND THEY IN TURN ARE GONNA SHARE WHAT THEY FIND.
SO AS OUR MODEL BUILDS IN TERMS OF PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, WE WILL TIE THAT INTO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO CONSULTANTS KIND OF LOOKING AT THE SAME THING FROM A LET'S IMPROVE TRAFFIC AND OPERATIONS, BUT ALSO ARE WE NOT LOSING SIGHT OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GOAL AS WELL.
SO WE'RE IN TOUCH WITH THAT CONSULTANT AND AGAIN, SHARED OUR MODEL WITH THEM AS THEY STARTED AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO SO AS BOTH MODELS CONTINUE TO GET UPDATED AND INTEGRATED.
AND THAT, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
UH, SO AGAIN ON THE LEFT IS THE, THE GOALS OF MOBILITY HUB AND THEN HOW IT TIES TO THE NAME.
SO R IN RIDE PARK IS RED ROCK.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO BETTER SENSE OF PLACE THAN WHEN YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY THE RED ROCKS OF SEDONA.
THAT'S WHY EVERYONE COMES HERE.
UH, THE I INTERMODAL, THE VERY DEFINITION OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF TRANSPORTATION IS CARRIED AND SAID MULTIMODAL BIKE, PET BUS.
THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY THIS RIDE PARK WILL BE.
A DEPOT, A CENTRAL HUB IN THE HEART OF SEDONA THAT IS BOTH SAFE AND SECURE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE TYING THE GOALS OF MOBILITY HUB TO THE NAME.
AND THEN E EXCHANGE ALLOWS FOR THE SEAMLESS INTEGRATION.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, EXCHANGE ONE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION TO ANOTHER, RIDE YOUR BIKE, PARK AT THE BIKE, STOP, HOP ON THE BUS, GO OUT ON ANY TRAIL YOU WANT THROUGHOUT SEDONA AND THEN PARK AGAIN JUST ACTIVATES THE SPACE.
I KNOW LAST TIME SOME OF THE NAMES WE WEREN'T THRILLED WITH HUB CUZ IT DID SOUND LIKE MORE OF AN EXCHANGE AND A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE JUST WAITING TO LEAVE.
BUT PARK REALLY GROUNDS THE SPACE AND AS LONG AS GOING BACK TO THE CONCEPTS AND THE IDEA BOARDS, AS LONG AS WE MAKE IT INVITING, IT COULD BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE GATHER AS THEY ULTIMATELY WAIT TO, TO GO OUT IN DIFFERENT TRAILS AND, AND USE DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.
CERTAINLY OTHER THAN YOUR CAR.
CAUSE AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THERE'S ONLY FIVE PARKING SPACES FOR A CAR.
YOU GOTTA GET DOWN THERE, UH, IN AN ACTIVE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION AND TO LEAVE IT'S EITHER ON A BUS OR IT'S ON YOUR BIKE OR IT'S ON FOOT.
AND SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHERE RIDE PARK IS.
WE TOOK IT, WE TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER BECAUSE WE HAVE A MARKETING GROUP THAT LOVES TO PUT LOGOS AND GRAPHICS TOGETHER AND WE SIMPLY COULDN'T HELP OURSELVES.
UH, AND SO WE THREW ONE TOGETHER AND I THINK YOU SAW IT IN THE AGENDA BILL THERE.
THERE'S A HANDFUL MORE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, BUT STARTING TO TAG IN THE NAME WITH THE CONCEPT, ULTIMATELY WITH THE PLACE, UH, AND REALLY START TO REALLY CREATE, CREATE A SPACE DOWN THERE THROUGH THIS AREA.
AND I THINK THE LAST SLIDE ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA, WHERE IT WENT, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY CHANGE TO A DIFFERENT POWERPOINT HERE.
ANDREW'S VIDEOS WERE WAY TOO BIG TO, UH, LET THESE SLIDES STAY TOGETHER.
SO THE NEXT UPDATE WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS THE SIM.
CAN I JUST JUMP IN ON THIS REAL QUICK, ANDY? JUST SO PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL HAD HAD SOME CONSTERNATION ABOUT, WHAT DO WE CALL THIS? AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM, FROM ANDREW, HIS TEAM CAME UP WITH, WELL BETWEEN ANDY, ROBERT AND, AND ANDREW.
HE JUST SORT OF EXPLAINED WHY.
AND, AND SO I THINK WE DO WANT TO JUST GET SOME, UM, EITHER AGREEMENT FROM COUNCIL THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED.
OR IF YOU, IF, IF YOU AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT CONCEPT, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT, THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN US TAKING A LOOK AT OR UM, A RENAME THAT THIS WAS REALLY THE, THE TIME AND OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK TO STAFF? NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT.
NO, I DON'T THINK THE ACRONYM IS GONNA STICK WITH ANYBODY.
AND THE PARK AND RIDE JUXTAPOSITION IS JUST TOO, TOO TEMPTING.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE OTHER SUGGESTIONS? IS WE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HUB, WE TALKED ABOUT EXCHANGE.
UM, I WOULDN'T, HONESTLY, I WOULDN'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT HAVING IT ACTUALLY DESCRIBE SO PEOPLE WHEN THEY SEE THE NAME KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
YOU COULD NAME IT AFTER A FOUNDING FATHER
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OR MOTHER OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.WELL, WELL THE CONCERN AND PREVIOUS DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL WAS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE ENGAGING IN, IN CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THESE FUTURE PROJECTS, AND THIS IS A, A BIG ONE, THAT WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT AND BE CONSISTENT WITH IT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE HOPING EARLY ON IN THE CONCEPTUAL PHASE THAT WE IDENTIFY WHAT WE WANNA CALL IT AND THEN WE START TO USE THAT.
AND CONSISTENTLY, I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT POINT.
I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD, KAREN.
CUZ I, I I I DON'T THINK WE CAN WAIT TO HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE FINAL NAME OF IT, BUT A, A COMMON TERM REFERENCING IT SO THAT IT'S NOT CONFUSED WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DESCRIBING IN THE PROCESS AS WELL.
IF THERE'S GONNA BE A TRAFFIC CIRCLE HERE AND THERE'S SOMETHING IMPROVEMENT THERE AND A PARK AND RIDE SOMEWHERE ELSE, I THINK HAVING SOME FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR THIS CONSISTENTLY IS IMPORTANT.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS.
I'M NOT MARRIED TO ONE, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF EXCHANGE BEING IN THERE SINCE THAT'S AT LEAST IN MY MIND.
AND HERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS AS.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE ROUTE BUS ONE COMES IN AND ROUTE BUS, WHATEVER COMES IN.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO THIS SECTION OF TOWN AND WANNA GO TO THAT SECTION OF TOWN, THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD EXCHANGE.
SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S EXPLANATORY, LIKE, LIKE THAT IS HELPFUL TO HAVE IN THE NAME.
ALSO VERY MUCH LIKE PARK BEING A PART OF IT THOUGH, UM, TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT JUST A PLACE WHERE IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF BUSES AND FUMES AND NOTHING ELSE, BUT THAT YOU CAN GO TO FIND SOME SHADE, SOME GREEN SPACE, UH, SOME SEATING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THAT IT CAN BE OPENED UP TO OTHER USES AND POTENTIALLY FUTURE USES THAT WE HAVE NOT YET EVEN DEFINED.
SO I, I LIKE EXCHANGE PARK OR SOMETHING.
I'M THROWING IT OUT AS A SUGGESTION.
BUT SOMETHING, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE, TO ME, THE TWO DESCRIPTIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO CONVEY.
SO I THINK INCORPORATING THEM SOMEHOW WOULD MAKE SENSE.
I REALLY PARK OUT OF IT AS WELL IN THAT THAT IS A MISNOMER FOR THIS LOCATION.
UH, I THINK WE WANT TO KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO RELATE TO IT.
IT'S REALLY A, IF WE WANT TO USE THE WORD RIDE, I LIKE THE FACT THAT RIDE IS IN THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE SHOULD RIDE MORE FOR THE MOBILITY, WHETHER THEY'RE RIDING BIKES OR RIDING THEIR SCOOTERS OR RIDING THE BUSES.
I MEAN ASKING US TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT NAME INSTANTLY, LIKE THIS IS GONNA BE KIND OF DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU REALLY OUGHT TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME TO RESEARCH THAT, UH, AND SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE USED.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED.
UH, AND I KNOW THAT WE SAID WE'RE OFTEN GREAT AT TELLING YOU WHAT WE DON'T LIKE, BUT THEN WE DON'T COME BACK WITH WHAT WE DO.
LIKE, UH, SO I, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU COULD LEAVE RIGHT IN SOME WAY, BUT EXCHANGE IS GOOD, BUT IT ALMOST, IT BRINGS UP A MONETARY ASPECT TO ME.
SO, UH, JUST WHAT ARE YOU EXCHANGING? I THINK CHANGING BUSES IS WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING OR CHANGING MOBILITY, UM, UH, FROM, FROM BIKING TO BUSING TO WHATEVER.
SO I, I THINK THAT THIS IS PROJECTS THREE YEARS OFF.
I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO NAME IT TODAY, BUT I DO THINK WE COULD TAKE A WEEK TO GIVE YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS.
I, UM, I'M SORRY, CAN I AHEAD, CAN GO.
I, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SAYING THE WORD PARK BECAUSE IT HAS TWO MEANINGS MM-HMM.
YOU PUT THAT ON A SIGN ON A ROAD, PEOPLE WOULD THINK THEY COULD PARK THERE.
AND THAT, THAT'S IS ABSOLUTELY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE VERY CONFUSING TO USE THE WORD PARK EVEN THOUGH THE INTENTION IS WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.
SO, AND I THINK, I THINK COUNCIL WILLIAMSON HAS ANOTHER IDEA THAT I HAVE.
NO, YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH KAREN.
I THINK WHAT THE WHOLE GOAL OF NAMING IT IS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT EXPLAINS WHAT IT IS WITHOUT IMPLYING IT'S SOMETHING IT ISN'T.
AND TO USE THAT NAME CONSISTENTLY SO THAT THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR BECAUSE WE ALWAYS TEND TO, TO USE A NUMBER OF TERMS WHICH THEN GET DEFINED BY EVERYBODY DIFFERENTLY AND THEN BECOME, THEY END UP WITH LIVES OF THEIR OWN.
I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE FOR US HERE TODAY TO, TO SORT OF JUST TRY AND DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I WONDER IF IF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE OR IN THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY GREAT IDEAS, JUST LET US KNOW.
SEND THEM TO US, SEND THEM TO US.
I MEAN, THERE ARE CLEVER PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DO THIS FOR A LIVING.
UM, I ACTUALLY THINK RIDE AS AN ACRONYM IS JUST, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND LOGICALLY HOW YOU GOT THERE, BUT
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I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY ARCANEAND I DON'T THINK IT, I I REALLY THINK RIDE PARK, I MEAN IT WOULD BE OKAY.
I WOULDN'T GO TO THE MAT OVER IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE NOT TO.
I WOULD LIKE ANOTHER THING, BUT I, I DON'T THINK I WANT US TO SPEND TWO HOURS, THREE HOURS, NO 10 HOURS TALKING ABOUT IT HERE ON THE DAY AS, UM, BUT THIS ISN'T REALLY A FINAL NAME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WAY TO REFER TO THIS THAT IS CONSISTENT NAMING IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I I I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN INTO HUH? DIFFERENT AS YOU SAID IT YOURSELF, I MEAN PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION.
YOU SAY THIS WORD AND IT CONJURES THIS IMAGERY TO SOME PEOPLE.
YOU SAY THE SAME WORD, IT CONJURES DIFFERENT IMAGERY TO OTHER PEOPLE.
SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING, SOME WAY TO DESCRIBE IT THAT DOESN'T LEAD TO MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
AND I THINK THAT IS A WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR TO TAKE ON.
SO YOU THINK WE HAVE TO PIN IT DOWN TODAY? WELL WHEN ELSE CAN WE DO THAT FOR KAREN NEEDS IT TO COME FROM HERE AND HOW ELSE WE, WE GENERALLY HAD THIS CON THE SAME CONVERSATION EVERY TIME, MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST WE KICKING THE CAMP, NINE MONTHS OR SO.
SO THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THE TIME TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD REACT TO IN HOPES THAT EITHER IT RESONATED, WHICH CLEARLY IT, IT DOESN'T.
UM, AND, OR OR YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, IS IT RIDE HUB? UM, NO.
YOU KNOW, IS IT RIDE AND SOMETHING? WELL, AND AND THERE WE GO.
WELL, SO AS LONG AS, AS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH US CONTINUING TO SORT OF CALL IT DIFFERENT THINGS, UM, THAN THEN WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE DON'T PIN IT DOWN YET.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD PIN IT DOWN, THEN, THEN WE NEED TO PROBABLY TAKE THE TIME TO PIN IT DOWN.
AND WHY, WHY DID WE GET AWAY FROM JUST SAYING, CALLING IT THE HUB? BECAUSE PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS ALSO SOMETHING.
I THINK THAT THERE WERE SOME OF YOU, YOU WHO DIDN'T, DIDN'T LIKE THAT TERMINOLOGY AND RESIDENT A PERMANENT ONE.
BUT IF WE'RE TEACH, CAN I ANSWER THAT? AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING.
WELL, YES, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE PERMANENT NAME AND WE, WE KNOW WE'RE STILL GONNA WORK ON THAT.
IF WE WANT TO REFER IT TO SOMETHING, WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE THE HUB? PEOPLE REACTED STRONGLY.
THAT'S WHY I KNOW I GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT A HUB.
A HUB, THE CENTER OF ALL ACTIVITY IS WHAT HUB SAID TO THEM.
AND FOR THAT PLACE TO BE THE CENTER OF ALL ACTIVITY WITH AGAIN, OUR CONCERN ABOUT EVACUATION, THE CONCERN ABOUT RANGER PARK THAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED, UM, TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THERE, THE SIZE OF THINGS, IT WAS VERY CONCERNING TO THE PUBLIC.
AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD COME UP WITH OR IGNORE TERMINOLOGY THAT WE KNOW CREATES A MARO WELL GIVE IT A, GIVE IT A NAME THAT NO ONE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IMMEDIATELY IS NOT GONNA BE NAME, JUST CALL IT TRANSIT HUB.
THAT'S WHAT WE HUB IS THE PROBLEM STARTED TO CALL IT.
AND THAT IS WHAT RESULTED IN THE, THE CONSTERNATION BECAUSE PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA BE, IT'LL, IT'LL BE FIRMED UP AND IT'LL JUST NEVER CHANGE.
NO, NO, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A, A PLACE WHERE ALL THE BUSES WOULD BE AT ALL THE CARS WOULD BE ALL, IT'S WHAT HUB MEANT TO PEOPLE.
I WILL SAY, GIVEN OUR CONVERSATION AND WHERE I KNOW THIS IS GOING, I DON'T LOVE RIDE PARK, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, IT'S FINE WITH ME BECAUSE I THINK THAT US ENGAGING IN THIS NOW IS, IS FRUITLESS.
AND I THINK YOU CAN TELL FROM THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD SO FAR THAT WE ARE ALL OF DIFFERENT MINDS OURSELVES AND LET SOMEONE ELSE AND IF IT CAN CHANGE, JUST USE RIDE PARK NOW AND, AND, AND GO WITH IT.
AND IF WE GET BRILLIANT IDEA TO CHANGE IT, WE CAN CHANGE IT.
BUT I, I JUST THINK THIS IS FRUITLESS.
I'M SORRY PEOPLE, I THINK IT'S FRUITLESS FOR US.
CAN I, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT RED ROCKS.
I THINK WE SHOULD CALL IT RIDE ROCK.
I THINK WE SHOULD CALL IT OSCAR, RIGHT?
ONE CONCERN AND ONE SUGGESTION, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WILLIAMSON SAID, I KNOW STAFF TIME IS HIGHLY, UH, TIGHT, BUT IS FOR, WE GIVE IT A TEMPORARY NAME AND WE GO TO THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE SOME STAFF IN WITH THE NEXT, BUT THIS IS NOT HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON.
AND LET'S DO A COMPETITION AND PUT OUT WHAT IT IS.
COME UP WITH, HANG ON, LET'S NOT DEDICATE OURSELVES TO A COMPETITION RIGHT NOW.
WELL, WELL I'M JUST MAKING A SUGGESTION.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS.
WHEN YOU MAKE IT INTO A CONTEST, YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO PICK ONE OF WHAT YOU GET.
AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA DO THAT.
MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT LAST TIME WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, THE RANGER STATION WAS TAGGED WITH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THIS PROJECT.
PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND AND THERE
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WAS A, A LOT OF PUSHBACK AND EVERYBODY WAS WRONG AND THEY WERE ASSUMING THAT THAT WAS THE TRANSIT HUB.SO I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SEPARATED.
THIS IS NOT, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RANGER STATION AT ALL.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE IT SOME KIND OF A NAME.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE, THE MAYOR IS NOT, UH, I UNDERSTAND HER POINT OF HAVING A COMPETITION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT BACK TO YOU WITH ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE AS FAR AS OUR SUGGESTION.
WHY NOT? INSTEAD OF A COMPETITION, JUST OPEN IT UP AND ASK FOR PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH NAMES.
JUST EMAIL THE CITY COUNCIL DIFFERENT NAMES.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE AND WE'LL DECIDE.
BUT I, FOR THE TIME BEING, IS IT OKAY TO USE RIDE PARK? DOES ANYBODY HAVE SUCH A VISCERAL OBJECTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I THINK PARK IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE IT ISN'T, YOU HAVE THE TWO DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS.
IS IT A PLACE YOU PARK CARS AND YOU DO IT AND PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE WRONG ASSOCIATION OR A PLACE YOU PLAY AND GO SKIS, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER.
SO I THINK PARK NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF IT.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT A PARK EITHER.
RIDE PLACE IS, OH GOD, HOW ABOUT THIS SUGGESTION, ANDREW, I'M GOING TO LEAVE AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE, I WILL COME BACK.
ANDREW, WHAT OTHER CITY, WHAT HAVE OTHER CITIES NAMED THERE? SIMILAR PROJECTS? YOU HAVE ANY, ANY INPUT? UH, I THINK, UH, RIDE PARK.
ROBERT, CAN YOU HELP US HERE? ROBERT USUALLY COMES UP WITH SOME GOOD ANSWERS.
IF YOU'VE SEEN ONE OF THESE FACILITIES, YOU'VE SEEN ONE OF THESE FACILITIES.
UM, A LOT OF FOLKS ARE, ARE MOVING MORE TOWARDS WORDS LIKE INTERMODAL AND EXCHANGE, UH, SEDONA INTERMODAL EXCHANGE MAYBE IS A TEMPORARY COMPROMISE AS A WORKING NAME.
AND IF SOME OTHER BRILLIANT THING COMES UP, WE CAN RENAME IT.
BUT THAT TO ME IS A PRETTY CLEAR STATEMENT OF WHAT THAT FACILITY, CAUSE WE ARE EXCHANGING RIDES.
SO THAT IT'S BETTER THAN THE PARK.
I THINK THAT'S MORE DESCRIPTIVE THAN RIDE PARK FOR SURE.
THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER EUROPE.
IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE US AND USUALLY I SEE INTERMODAL IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
AND IT, WHY DOES THAT TO BE SO TECHNICAL? WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE EXCHANGE PLACE? OH, GE.
IT WAS BRAVE OF YOU TO EXCHANGE WHAT, TRY TO GET INTO IT DOESN'T SAY EXCHANGE.
WHAT? INTERMODAL AT LEAST MAKES IT CLEAR.
IT'S TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION.
SO ROBERT, ROBERT WON'T SAY THIS, BUT HE CAME UP WITH THIS NAME, SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAST TWO WORDS.
ANDY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FIRST THING.
SO IT COULD BE RIGHT EXCHANGE TOO.
WE HAVE A VOTE FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO DOES ANYBODY CARE FOR RIDE EXCHANGE FOR THAT TIME? I LIKE RIDE EXCHANGE.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
WE'RE WRITING THAT DOWN, RIGHT? EXCHANGES.
OKAY, SO
KAREN, DO YOU LIKE THE NAME? I LOVE IT.
OKAY, CAN WE MOVE ON? SO BACK TO SEVEN ONE B.
UM, THESE ARE THE UPTOWN NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO PARTS TO THIS.
CURRENTLY WE'RE IN DESIGN ON BOTH OF THESE.
ONE IS, THIS IS FOREST ROAD HERE.
SO THIS IS APPROACHING UPTOWN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING THE MOVEMENT INTO UPTOWN MORE EFFICIENT.
THAT INCLUDES TAKING OUT SOME PARKING HERE JUST NORTH OF FOREST ROAD, REBUILDING THE BIKE LANE INTO A SEPARATED MULTIMODAL PATH THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THIS DESIGN JUST YET.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S STILL IN PROCESS, BUT IT WOULD BE DETACHED FROM THE ROAD AND IT WOULD RUN DOWN ALONG THIS SLOPE ALONG THE HIGHWAY HERE.
WHERE, WHERE ON FOREST ROAD ARE YOU? SO THIS IS 89 A UPTOWN.
SO THE EXISTING FOREST ROAD, THE EXISTING FOREST 89 A INTERSECTION VISITOR.
THIS BE APPROACH SOUTH? YEAH, THE VISITOR CENTER IS HERE ON THIS CORNER.
VISITORS PINK JEEP IS ON THIS SIDE.
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THE GRAPHIC LOOKS SO TERRIBLE.I I WAS THINKING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WAS FOREST ROAD AND I COULDN'T QUITE ADMIT, BUT I SEE IT SAYS STATE ROAD NINE.
ONCE WE GET OUR DESIGN PUT TOGETHER, WE'LL BE REACHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, TO, TO GET, GET THEIR INPUT ON THAT.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS DESIGN IS AT AMMAR LANE, WHICH IS HERE.
A CANNON PORTAL IS JUST TO THE WEST OF AMMAR LANE.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS TAKING, IF YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT IN THE BACKGROUND HERE, WE'RE TAKING THIS, UH, LOADING ZONE, REBUILDING THIS BULB OUT HERE AND CREATING A RIGHT TURN LANE HERE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE FOR NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC CURRENTLY IS FOLKS THAT ARE TURNING RIGHT INTO AMAR LANE END UP WAITING FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS HERE.
SO THAT'S MAKING THIS CONNECTION MORE EFFICIENT AS WELL AS GIVING THIS STACKING DISTANCE HERE.
ARE YOU LOOKING BEYOND AMARA LANE WHEN YOU COME OUT TO TURN RIGHT INTO SIMILAR SLIP LANE GOING BACK IN? WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXTENDED FURTHER NORTH CURRENTLY.
UM, THERE ARE SOME OTHER CONSTRAINTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION HERE, BUT I THINK JUST PROVIDING THE STACKING DISTANCE WILL MAKE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT ON THIS, ON THIS MOVEMENT AND THE REDUCTION OF CONGESTION.
CUZ CURRENTLY JUST ONE VEHICLE IS STUCK IN THE THROUGH LANE AND CAUSES THIS BACKUP TOWARDS OOPS.
BUT THAT, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT CLEAR PRETTY QUICKLY THOUGH, AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE THAT START TO STACK UP TRYING TO COME OUT OF AMAR LANE AND TURN RIGHT.
AND WHEN ONE OF THEM STUTTER STEPS AND PULLS OUT A LITTLE, UH, YOU, YOU'VE GOT A SIMILAR EFFECT.
SO LIKE I SAID, THIS IS IN, IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
THE AMARA LANE PORTION OF THIS IS IN A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
WE'RE WORKING ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NOW THAT'LL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AT THE OCTOBER 25TH COUNCIL MEETING.
WHO WAS IT WITH? A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH CANYON PORTO.
SO YOU SEE THESE, UH, WALKWAY IMPROVEMENTS ADJACENT HERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DOING TO IMPROVE SAFETY FOR THE MAINLY PEDESTRIAN, UH, MOVEMENTS ACROSS THEIR FRONTAGE.
SO, SO IT'S, YOU UN THAT'S KIND OF A LOADING ZONE RIGHT NOW.
WOULD PEOPLE STILL BE ABLE TO LOAD AND UNLOAD THERE TEMPORARILY OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED? AND IF SO, WHERE WILL THEY GO? WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF ALLOWING DURING OFF HOURS, NON PEAK HOURS, THE ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY LOAD.
BUT I'M SURE YOU KNOW, KEN AND PORTAL, THEY HAVE THE PARKING AND LOADING AREA IN THE BACK OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT BACK HERE.
SO IF IT'S A LITTLE STEEP GOING UP AND DOWN THERE THOUGH FOR A TRUCK THAT'S OF ANY SIZE TO TURN AROUND AND THEN TRYING TO HAUL ALL THAT BEER UP TO STICK SOMEWHERE IN THOSE CASES IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S BACK TO THE WEST HERE, WHERE YOU CAN COME INTO THE BACKSIDE OF CANYON PORTAL.
BEHIND THE FURNITURE PLACE, RIGHT? YES.
ANDY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WILL BE, WILL WE BE LOSING OR IF ANY, UH, WITH THAT RIGHT TURN ONLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE.
BUT THAT IS A BIG PINCH POINT.
I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST PINCH POINT.
THAT IN THE MODEL, IF YOU RECALL, THESE TWO IMPROVEMENTS DRASTICALLY IMPROVED SYSTEM TRAFFIC.
SO IN THE OVERALL MODEL, JUST THESE TWO IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF, UH, STORAGE CAPAC AS YOU APPROACH FOREST AND AS ANDY MENTIONED, JUST PULLING RIGHT TURNS OFF THE THROUGHWAY TO GET TRAFFIC THROUGH.
SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THIS, THESE CHANGES HERE WILL HELP THE BACKUP DOWN TO THE Y YES.
WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE SEEING, WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHEN I BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE SOUTHBOUND CROSSING OVER.
AND I, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE PAST.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY MOVING FORWARD, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME TIME WE'RE SEEING A PLAN.
SO THEY ARE, SO THE, THE NORTHBOUND PLANS IS SHOWN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, WE'RE AT A 90% DESIGN.
SO IT'S ALREADY GONE ONCE THROUGH STAFF REVIEW AND WE'RE JUST FINE TUNING THE, THE ALIGNMENT OF THE SHARED USE PATH AND THEN THE MR RIGHT TURN LANE WE'RE GONNA BE SUBMITTING FOR PERMIT NEXT WEEK.
SO BOTH OF THOSE WE EXPEDITED BECAUSE WE SAW THE BENEFITS IN THE MODEL.
HUGE AND MOVING THESE FORWARD.
SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE SEEING THIS BEFORE THE NEXT, UM, YOU KNOW, HIGH TRAFFIC TIME COMPLETED? THAT'S THE GOAL.
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IS WHY THE MA LANE IMPROVEMENTS, FOR INSTANCE.UM, THOSE, THOSE DEFINITELY WERE, THAT'S OUR GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO GET THAT COMPLETED BEFORE SPRINGTIME.
THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, I DON'T THINK WOULD QUITE, NO, THOSE BE BY THEN.
I DON'T THINK THOSE WILL MEET IT.
BUT WITH THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, THERE'S ALREADY A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD WHO'S LOOKING AT PRICING.
WE'LL SUBMIT FOR PERMITS AND GET THAT THING MOVING SO THEY CAN TRY AND DO IT OFF PEAK AND BE READY BY SPRING.
LIKE ANDY SAID, THAT'S THE GOAL.
UH, AND WE'RE MEETING THE DESIGN SIDE OF, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CAN CONSTRUCTION DO IT? COOL.
I CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE THAT DONE THOUGH.
NEXT PROJECT IS THE UPTOWN GARAGE.
UM, I'M NOT INTENDING TO GO BACK THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY MENTION THAT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GARAGE PROJECT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT.
WE HAD OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING ON APRIL 14TH, 2021.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS INFORMATION.
THAT WASN'T THE INTENT, BUT JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THAT MEETING WE HAD SOMEWHERE AROUND 20 PEOPLE OR SO, NOT, NOT A LOT, BUT WE HAD SOME FOLKS ENGAGED MARCH 17TH AS WE WERE WANTING TO START THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.
WE HAD ANOTHER PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING ON MARCH 17TH.
AS I MENTIONED, AGAIN, WE HAD, UH, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ENGAGED, EVEN FEWER THIS TIME.
WE DID COLLECT INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK FROM THEM, BUT THERE WAS A LOT HERE RECENTLY ON SEPTEMBER 8TH, WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL MEETING.
THAT WAS BECAUSE THE MARCH MEETING WAS, DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT THIS TIME.
WE HAD A HIGHER LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT AND WE DID GET FEEDBACK.
UH, DON'T INTEND TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS, BUT COUPLE THINGS I MIGHT POINT OUT IS VERY INTERESTINGLY, UM, A LOT OF FOLKS WERE KIND OF NEUTRAL TO THE PROJECT.
WE DID HAVE, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE GREEN AREA HERE, EIGHT FOLKS EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.
AND INTERESTINGLY, EIGHT EXPRESSED OPPOSITION.
UH, FROM THE FEEDBACK WE DID HAVE A CONSISTENT LEVEL OF, UM, FOLKS EXPRESSING THAT THEY WANTED TO, UH, PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD AND RECONSIDER SOME OF THE STUDY THAT WE HAD GONE THROUGH INDICATING, UM, WHERE THE SITE SHOULD BE FOR THIS PROJECT AND, UH, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
AND TO GO INTO THAT FURTHER, I THINK KAREN WANTED TO, UM, GET INTO THAT.
AND WE THINK, YOU KNOW, ANDY SORT OF LAID OUT THE PROCESS.
WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE AT 90 PLUS PERCENT, UM, COMPLETE WITH DESIGN IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING A, A GMP AND GETTING READY TO BRING A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.
THIS MEETING THINK, YOU KNOW, REVEALED, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, OF, OF CONSTERNATION FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO FROM DECISION MAKERS.
SO FROM YOURSELF, FROM COUNSELOR ELECT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE, THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS COMPLETED BEFORE, SORT OF THE, THE IDEA THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND THERE MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT DATA OR INFORMATION OR ANALYSIS OR JUSTIFICATION TO MOVE FORWARD.
WITH THAT SAID, UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK FROM, FROM ENGINEERING, FROM FROM PUBLIC WORKS, FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM, I THINK WE BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT IN A GOOD LOCATION FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT YOU SEE LAID OUT IN, IN THE AGENDA BILL.
HOWEVER, IF, IF THE COMMUNITY, IF THE COUNCIL IS NOT YET COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD, IT DESERVES ANOTHER LOOK.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT IS THAT WE DO SOME ADDITIONAL DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE 2018, UH, STUDY, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO REVISIT THE DEMAND ANALYSIS FOR PARKING, THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS, SOME OF THE CIRCULATION WORK.
AND I THINK KIMLEY HORN HAS ALREADY HAS A, A GOOD SORT OF BUILTS DATA DATA CENTER FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK WE COULD REVISIT, UH, DURING THE BUSY SPRING TIMES AND GATHER ADDITIONAL DATA LOOKING AT THE FORCE ROAD CONNECTION, WHICH WAS NOT, I THINK CONTEMPLATED TO THE EXTENT THAT, THAT WE NOW KNOW, UM, HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK AND CERTAINLY TRANSIT.
SO, UM, AT THE POINT THAT WE WERE, WE WERE, UM, DOING THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY THAT
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WAS KIND OF IN TANDEM WITH OUR TRANSIT OPERATION AND IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TWO THINGS ARE MARRIED, UM, BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THE PARKING GARAGE.
CERTAINLY THE ESCALATING COSTS HAS SORT OF GIVEN ANOTHER REASON TO, TO DO SOME, SOME NEW ANALYSIS AND REVISITING.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO EXPEDITE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S MORE OF THE LONG RANGE PLANNING TYPE EFFORT VERSUS A, A PROJECT MANAGEMENT OR ENGINEERING ENDEAVOR.
BUT WE WILL BE PREPARED AT THE JANUARY RETREAT IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS KIND OF THIS NEW NEW APPROACH THAT WE WOULD HAVE A PLAN FOR TRYING TO GET THAT, THE, THE DATA, NEW DATA COLLECTED IN SPRING DURING OUR BUSY SEASON, AND THEN AN ANALYSIS COMPLETED BEFORE THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR WHERE WE COULD COME BACK WITH SOME, SOME FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
KAREN, WHAT'S THE CURRENT, OR IT'S NEVER GONE OUT TO BID, I DON'T BELIEVE FROM, FROM A CONTRACTOR, BUT WHAT'S THE CURRENT PRICE ASSUMED TO BE? I HATE TO ASSUME, BUT, SO THIS WAS A C MARK CONTRACT.
SO WE HAD BROUGHT THE CONTRACTOR ON BOARD THROUGH A, A CONTRACT SOME MONTHS AGO, AND THEY HAVE BEEN, THE WAY THAT PROCESS WORKS IS THAT THEY WORK ALONGSIDE THE LAST PHASES OF DESIGN WHERE THEY DELIVER A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
SO RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE ARE SO FAR ALONG IN THE PROCESS THAT IS ESTIMATED AT 16 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT WOULD THE PROJECTION BE FOR DELAY ONCE, IF NOTHING CHANGES IN THE SAME DECISION IS MADE, WHAT WOULD THE COST THEN POTENTIALLY BE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
DO YOU EXPECT IT TO BE LOWER ON THAT? DEFINITELY NOT.
I, I CAN'T, UM, THINK OF A TIME THAT, UM, WAITING AND, AND BIDDING OUT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR LATER HAS RESULTED IN A CHEAPER PRICE ON A PROJECT.
WELL, BUT RIGHT NOW AREN'T WE IN A SITUATION WHERE ALL BUILDING MATERIALS IS EX EXORBITANTLY HIGH? SO I MEAN, TWO BY FOUR, FOUR YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO WAS TWO AND A QUARTER NOW IT, IT IT WAS AS HIGH AS $8 AS WELL AS NOW THERE'S NO TWO, TWO BY FOUR IN A PARKING GARAGE.
BUT STEEL GERDS, UH, I'M SURE THEY'RE IN SHORT SUPPLY, BUT THAT COULD HELP BRING IT DOWN.
IF WE WAITED A YEAR, IT MIGHT COME DOWN A PRICE TO BE SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST COMPLETELY SPECULATIVE AND IF WE HAD A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT WE DON'T, SO I, I DON'T THINK WE, WE KNOW, AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS IF THIS LOCK WAS BUILT, THAT THERE'S SEVERAL SURFACE LOTS THROUGHOUT UPTOWN THAT WERE GOING TO BE NO LONGER USE AS, AS SURFACE LOTS.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT? THAT WAS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THIS PROJECT, WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED MULTIPLE TIMES MM-HMM.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE APPROACH WE WERE, WERE TAKING ALL ALONG, THAT WE WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD DO THAT THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS HAD NOT YET BEEN FINALIZED OR IDENTIFIED.
BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THOSE CONTRACTS CAN BE EXTENDED OR CONTINUED UNTIL THE TIME COMES FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, EXCEPT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FIRE STATION STATION FOUR IS, UH, SLATED TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, UH, WHERE, WHERE THAT PROJECT IS? THEY'RE RIGHT NOW STILL IN THE DESIGN PHASE, SO IT'LL BE SOMETIME BEFORE THEY'RE READY TO CONSTRUCT.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT WILL BE, BUT EVENTUALLY, YES, WE WOULD LOSE THAT AS PUBLIC PARKING AND THAT'S, THAT'S USED QUITE EXTENSIVELY.
UH, WE, I SUPPORT THE, WHAT YOU HAVE, UH, SUGGESTED BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND WE OUGHT TO RE-LOOK AT ALL OF OUR ASSUMPTIONS.
I MAYBE WE, I DON'T THINK SHE SUGGESTED ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO CONSIDER WHAT YOU WANT TO DO FOR DIRECTION.
I DON'T THINK SHE'S RECOMMENDING WE DELAY OR HAVE YOU MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION? I AM RECOMMENDING THAT I AM RECOMMENDING THAT WE DELAY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GMP AND THE CONSTRUCTION AWARD AND THAT WE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK THROUGH DATA COLLECTION AND A REEVALUATION OF NOT JUST THE NEED BUT THE LOCATION.
I HAVE A QUESTION AFTER YOU'RE DONE, BUT THEN I KNOW KATHY DOES AS WELL, SO I'LL BE QUIET.
SO, UH, SO I SUPPORT THAT I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
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YOU RECOMMENDING FOR USAGE OF THE SPACE IN THE INTERIM? UH, IF ANYTHING, ANYTHING.AND I KNOW THAT OUR CONTRACT FOR A FOREST ROAD HAS AN EXCAVATION PIECE TO EXCAVATE THE, THE GROUND AND TO GO DOWN TO DIG DOWN.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR SUGGESTING WOULD BE DONE WITH THAT? THAT COULD BE CHANGED.
I KNOW IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND THE THIRD THING IS THERE WERE SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PEDESTRIAN ASPECTS, UH, WITH THE FORCE, WITH THE GARAGE.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT TO DO.
UH, AND SO HOW WOULD WE HANDLE THAT? SO THOSE ARE MY THREE QUESTIONS.
SO FOR THE FIRST QUESTION, WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT RIGHT NOW FOR THE EXCAVATION OF THE SITE.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID IN JANUARY, I THINK WE'LL BE PREPARED TO, TO REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS OF, OF HOW THE CONSULTANT STUDY WOULD BE DONE AND, AND AND THE INTERIM WORK.
BUT PRELIMINARILY WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS X DOING A CHANGE ORDER TO THE EXCAVATION CONTRACT INSTEAD OF EXCAVATING IT DOWN BELOW GRADE.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE LIKELY RECOMMENDATION COME JANUARY.
AND UM, THE OTHER QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THE, UM, OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, THE SIDEWALK AND THE CROSSWALK MM-HMM.
SO I'LL ASK ANDY, UH, AND TEAM TO SORT OF OPINE ON HOW THAT MIGHT WORK IF WE CAN GET ANOTHER CONTRACTOR OR THE EXISTING CONTRACTOR OR THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S DOING THE OTHER WORK TO BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS CUZ WHETHER OR NOT THE GARAGE IS EVER BUILT OR THAT'S A DIFFERENT USE, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE NECESSARY FOR, UM, SAFE CONNECTION CORRECT.
FROM THAT LOCATION TO, TO MAIN STREET.
SO BECAUSE OUR CURRENT CONTRACTOR ON FOREST ROAD IS WITHIN SUCH A CLOSE, UM, PROXIMITY TO THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE COULD CERTAINLY ASK FOR A CHANGE ORDER AND ADD THAT INTO THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT.
UM, I WOULD JUST KEEP THE LATITUDE TO, YOU KNOW, RECEIVE THAT PROPOSAL AND POSSIBLY GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD WANT THE ABILITY TO EITHER CHANGE, ORDER THAT INTO THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT OR GET OTHER BIDS AND HAVE A SEPARATE CONTRACTOR DO IT, BUT MOVE FORWARD WITH IT WHILE WE'RE YES.
AND I THINK BY JANUARY WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL TIME TO IDENTIFY SORT OF THE STAFF RESOURCES FOR BOTH, FOR ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PIECES AND BE ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF TIMING OF WHEN WE COULD DO THAT AND, AND WHAT PROCUREMENT METHOD WE MIGHT USE.
ANDY, I KNOW THAT I WAS AT THE LAST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UH, F UH, EVENT FOR THE PARKING GARAGE AND IT WAS ONE, ONE OR TWO CONCERNS OF NOT SO MUCH THE PARKING GARAGE, BUT OF FOREST ROAD IN FRONT OF THE PARKING GARAGE WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE USED WITH THE LOT AS WELL OF NARROWING THE ROAD TO WIDENING THE, THE, UH, SIDEWALK WITH THAT SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.
CUZ THERE'S SOME RESIDENTS THAT WERE CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE COMING UP FOREST ROAD FROM 89 A WILL SPEED GO A LITTLE BIT FAST TO THE INTERSECTION.
UH, SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT? I KNOW THE, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE TAKING INFORMATION DOWN, THEY RECORDED THAT AND I KNOW THAT, BUT WAS, WAS THAT EVER CONSIDERED? WE WERE ALWAYS LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, RACE CROSSWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ENSURE IS INCORPORATED INTO WHAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS WHEN YOU HAVE PARKING ADJACENT TO THROUGH TRAFFIC, THAT'S FRICTION.
YOU HAVE TO KIND OF COMBINE ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU END UP WITH IS IN FACT GONNA SLOW TRAFFIC.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING I CAME UP ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES WHILE I WAS THERE, SO THANK YOU.
UH, KAREN, JUST QUICK QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU'RE DUE TO PUBLIC INPUT IN THIS MEETING OF 55 PEOPLE OR SO.
UH, WE'VE DECIDED THAT, UH, WE NEED TO PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS A PART OF THE OVERALL SIM
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PLAN.UH, I'M CONCERNED THIS MIGHT IMPACT OUR TRANSIT PLAN.
UH, IF PEOPLE SAY NO, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE TO HAVE IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, RESPONSES, ONLY ONE PERSON SAID, WE DON'T NEED MORE PARKING.
I THINK PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE CONSOLIDATE, WE CAN GET SOME OF IT.
I KNOW EVACUATIONS A CONCERN AND YET IF WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THE PARKING OFF THE SIDE OF THOSE ROADS WHERE ALL OF THEM GOING TO THOSE SMALLER LOTS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT EASIER TO GET OUT INTO EVACUATION.
I I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT PREDICTED BY THE STATE OF ARIZONA THAT PHOENIX AND THE AREA WILL NOT GROW IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS? NO, SIR.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK WE ORIGINALLY SAID WAS OUR PARKING STUDY, OUR TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWED WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING TO SEDONA AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO PUT THE CAR SOMEWHERE.
IF WE ELIMINATE THIS PARKING LOT, WHICH IS TO BE THE NORTH END PARKING LOT IN OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM VERSUS THE WEST END OR THE SOUTHERN END, WHERE DO WE PLAN TO PUT THOSE VEHICLES? I I THINK COUNCILOR LAMPKIN, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS NEW LOOK WILL, WILL ASK ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND EITHER VALIDATE THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE IN 2019 OR PROVIDE US ALTERNATIVES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ALTERNATIVES ARE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, BUT IF THE DECISION MAKERS AND THE COMMUNITY AREN'T YET COMFORTABLE THAT THAT IS IS TRUE, THEN IT'S WORTHY OF A SECOND LOOK AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATIONS COME BACK AND SAY THERE IS A BETTER LOCATION SOMEWHERE ELSE AND, AND THEN YOU'LL ALL HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN ORDER TO MAKE A DECISION, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF A SECOND LOOK.
IF WE KNOW THAT THE FIRST DATA THAT WE'VE SPENT ALL THE MONEY ON STUDYING IS FLAWED, DO WE HAVE A REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THAT FIRST STUDY WAS FLAWED? NO, I, I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
I THINK FROM, FROM THE FEEDBACK FROM WHO DID THE FIRST STUDY THAT ON FORREST, WHAT WAS THAT? NOT COMING HORN, IT WAS WALTER POR.
SO WE DON'T, WOULD WE HAVE HIM DO THIS STUDY AGAIN OR SOMEONE ELSE? I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE WOULD COME BACK IN JANUARY.
I DO THINK THAT GIVEN THE EXTENSIVE WORK THAT KIMLEY HORN HAS DONE WITH THE VISO MODELS AND THE DATA COLLECTION AND THEIR FAMILIARITY WITH NOT JUST UPTOWN, BUT THE ENTIRETY OF OUR COMMUNITY, THEIR WORK ON THE TRANSIT, UM, I DO THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO, TO HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE OTHER SUBS OR PARKING EXPERTS, UM, THAT WOULD WEIGH IN ON THIS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY AND WHAT THE TIMELINE LOOKS LIKE AT THE TIME WHEN YOU PROPOSED THE ORIGINAL SOLUTION THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE GONE FORWARD WITH, AND WHAT COUPLE OF COUNCILS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PROBABLY BY NOW DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
DO YOU SEE THE OUTCOME REALLY BEING CHANGED? DO YOU PREDICT A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT OUTCOME? I'M NOT GONNA MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT A NEW OUTCOME WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL STUDY SHOWED THAT AND, AND IF WE BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE FAIRLY DECENT, PEOPLE JUST COULDN'T CONTRACT WITH AND THE RESULTS ARE TO BE BELIEVED, INCREASE IN TRAFFIC WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE VEHICLE PER MINUTE ON FOREST ROAD GOING BACK AND FORTH.
I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO DISCUSSION A LITTLE TOO MUCH HERE, UNLESS WHAT I'M STILL UNCERTAIN ABOUT IS WE HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU ON ANY OF THESE SEGMENTS WE'VE LOOKED AT SO FAR ANY DIRECTION.
AND ARE WE, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THIS TO BE ONE WHERE YOU DO RIGHT NOW WANT DIRECTION? YES.
YEAH, THIS IS ONE WHERE SHE WANTED, IN THAT CASE, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL, LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS.
ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT? I I I HAVE NO OBJECTION.
LET ME ASK MY QUESTION IF THAT'S ALRIGHT.
IN YOUR MATERIAL, YOU'VE POINTED OUT AT LEAST 10 REASONS WHY THE GARAGE SEEMS TO MAKE SENSOR OR DID IN THE PAST, HAVE YOU AND ENGINEERING CHANGED YOUR MINDS? NO, I THINK I, I MADE THAT CAVEAT THAT I THINK FROM, FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS STILL A GOOD PROJECT FOR THOSE REASONS IN THIS LOCATION.
BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DECISION MAKERS ARE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE YET, UM, WITH THE JUSTIFICATION AND ONE ANOTHER LOOK, THEN CERTAINLY I THINK THAT IS A, AN APPROACH THAT WE CAN SUPPORT, UM, AND, AND GET BEHIND AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN HOPEFULLY WITHIN A SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME.
YOU'RE SAYING, WHEN YOU SAY DECISION MAKERS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBERS? YES, SIR.
THAT HAD VOTED PREVIOUSLY TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT? YES.
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ARE, THE GMP WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE READY UNTIL A NEW COUNCIL IS SEATED.WE KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO IN ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES FROM FUTURE DECISION MAKERS, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ONCE THAT'S DONE, EVERYONE WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE? NO.
THERE'S ONE MORE THING RELATED TO THIS ITEM THAT I WANT TO, THAT WE WILL NEED DIRECTION ON, AND THAT IS, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD ISSUED BONDS EARLIER IN THE YEAR FOR TRANSPORTATION RELATED PROJECTS.
AT THE TIME, OUR ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THE, THE 25 MILLION WAS GONNA BE SPENT ON A COMBINATION OF FOREST ROAD AND THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND THAT PART OF THE, THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS WAS GOING TO COME FROM THE PAID PARKING REVENUE FROM MAIN STREET.
AND THAT IS STILL WHAT WILL NEED TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO PAY THAT DEBT SERVICE, EVEN IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GARAGE.
SO WE WILL HAVE OTHER UPTOWN RELATED IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING FOREST ROAD AND ALL OF THE NOW NORTHBOUND, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT ANDY AND ANDREW JUST DESCRIBED.
BUT I JUST DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT THE FUNDING PLAN TO PAY FOR THOSE BONDS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO, WILL INCLUDE USING THE ENTIRETY OF THAT THAT PAID PARKING REVENUE, JESSICA, SO THAT THE UPTOWN PARKING REVENUE, WHICH WAS COMMITTED TO BE USED TO BENEFIT UPTOWN, EVEN IF WE DON'T PROVIDE A BENEFIT, THAT MONEY WILL STILL BE SPENT ON THE BONDS.
I I THINK WHAT I'M SUGGESTING THE, THE BENEFITS ARE, ARE THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS AND THE FORCE ROAD CONNECTION MM-HMM.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO SUBSTITUTE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, YEAH, AND, AND ONE OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS IF YOU, IF YOUR, IF YOUR PLAN IS FOLLOWED IS THAT THEY WOULD GET A HUNDRED SPACES IN A TEMPORARY LOT.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE FUNDS COULD STILL BE APPLIED TO THE EXCAVATION AND THE RETAINING WALL? YES.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA GO TO THE PUBLIC AND I NEED THE LIGHTS ON PLEASE.
THERE'S TWO AND I THINK NUMBER TWO, CONWAY NUMBER TWO, I CAN TAKE THEM IF YOU WANT.
SO THE FIRST CARD I HAVE IS RICHARD DIETER AND TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARK TIMBROOK.
SO THE SECOND PERSON WOULD BE ON DECK AND RICHARD DIETER? YES.
MY NAME IS RICHARD DIETER AND I LIVE AT 360 7 SMITH ROAD HERE IN SEDONA.
AND I'M JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM WHERE THAT PARKING GARAGE IS PLANNED, AND I COULD GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW.
THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON SMITH ROAD BECAUSE IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NAV HOPI WITH ONLY ONE STOP SIGN AND THERE ARE ON ANOTHER STREETS.
SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND IT COMES DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION OF FOREST WHERE IT DEAD ENDS.
AND, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT IS A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
ON MY WAY OVER HERE, THIS IS A MIDDLE OF THE WEEK, I LEFT ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK.
I HAD SOME STOPS TO MAKE AND I COUNTED 17 CARS EITHER TURNING ONTO FOREST ROAD FROM 89 A OR YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE CARS THAT I, UH, SAW ON FOREST ROAD.
NOW IF A PARKING SPACE GARAGE OR EXTRA PARKING SPACES ARE PUT IN UP AT THE, UH, UPHILL SIDE OF FOREST ROAD FOR THE INTERSECTION OF SMITH AND WILSON, WE'RE NOT EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OUT THERE AND, UH, GO SHOPPING ON FRIDAY.
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DOES FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY.AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WE'RE GETTING ON WEEKENDS IS HORRIFIC RIGHT NOW THAT STREET IS JUST FULL OF TRAFFIC AND UH, IF THE PARKING GARAGE GOES IN UP THERE OR A PARKING STRUCTURE WITH EXTRA STRUCTURE GOES IN UP THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE THAN JUST ONE CAR EVERY MINUTE.
THERE'S GONNA BE PEDESTRIANS THAT WALK FROM THAT PARKING STRUCTURE DOWN TO MAIN STREET OR 89 A UPTOWN SEDONA, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE BLOCKING THE INTERSECTIONS OF SMITH ROAD AND WILSON AND THE OTHER ROADS TOO.
SO WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THERE.
IT'S GOTTA BE AN IMPOSSIBLE MESS, BUT THERE IS WHAT I BELIEVE IS A SOLUTION AND THAT IS TO PUT THE PARKING FACILITIES OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF SEDONA.
SEE IF YOU CAN GET THE FOREST SERVICE AND DIVIDE ADMINISTRATION TO, UH, GRANT YOU SOME LAND AND THEN USE BUSES TO BUS PEOPLE IN AND OUTTA SEDONA, GETS 'EM OUT OF THEIR CARS, SAVES ENERGY AND IS CURRENTLY, UH, A FAVORITE OF THE DIVIDE ADMINISTRATION.
UH, IF THAT WAS DONE, WOULD HAVE LESS TRAFFIC UPTOWN THEM.
IT'D BE SAFER WITHOUT PURE PEDESTRIANS WALKING UP SMITH ROAD AND INTERACTING WITH THE CARS.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
THAT WAS WHAT THE, THE BEEP WAS.
NEXT SPEAKER IS MARK 10 BROOK TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARK 10 BROOK, WHO WAS SPEAKING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.
SO YEAH, MARK 10 BROOK WITH, UH, IN UPTOWN SEDONA, CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION? IS THIS JUST FOR THE PARKING GARAGE OR CAN WE ALSO SPEAK ON THE BREWER ROAD? ANYTHING YOU WANT.
UH, JUST WANTED TO, ON THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE, I, UH, NOTICED THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF BENEFITS THAT WERE SHOWN IN THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, IN THE PACKET.
UH, AND THE ANALYSIS MENTIONED THAT THERE MIGHT BE A FEW ISSUES.
I WANTED TO MAYBE ELABORATE ON THOSE A LITTLE BIT.
AND FIRST OF ALL, POINT OUT THAT THE CITY WEBSITE STATES THAT THERE'S ABUNDANT PARKING IN UPTOWN AT THE CURRENT TIME.
ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE ORIGINAL WALTER P. MOORE PARKING ANALYSIS ONLY REALLY INCLUDED INPUT FROM BUSINESSES AND WORKERS FOR THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING AND DIDN'T INCLUDE THE INPUT.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE VALUABLE THINGS WE'D GET OUT OF A RE-ANALYSIS.
UH, THE PARKING ANALYSIS, UH, DID WAS NOT PERFORMED DURING THE SEDONA PEAK VISITATION PERIOD.
AND I THINK, UH, CITY MANAGER MENTIONED THAT IT MIGHT BE MORE VALUABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND ALSO THE ANALYSIS DID NOT, UH, FACTOR IN THE VARIABILITY IN PARKING THAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
IT ALSO DIDN'T INCLUDE THE IMPACT OF ANY PLANNED SATELLITE PARKING, LIKE THE, UH, PREVIOUS SPEAKER TALKED ABOUT AT CITY BOUNDARIES AND ALSO THE IMPACT THAT MICRO TRANSIT AND OTHER TRANSIT MAY HAVE ON THE NEED FOR PARKING HOTEL.
UH, THE ANALYSIS ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES NEEDED IS BASED ON 85% OF THE PARKING BEING FILLED.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE VERY HIGH PEAKS, WE ALSO HAVE LOW LOWS.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE NUMBER FOR A COMMUNITY SUCH AS SEDONA.
AND ALSO THE PARKING GARAGE WILL INCREASE THE UPTOWN PARKING BY 272 SPACES.
WE HAVE ABOUT 700, UH, PUBLIC PARKING SPACES AT THE, AT THE CURRENT TIME, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY ABOUT 2000 SPACES IF YOU INCLUDE BUSINESSES, UH, AND, UH, LODGING.
AND SOME OF THOSE LOTS IN PARTICULAR LODGING ARE NOT USED DURING MOST OF THE DAY.
SO AT LEAST WHEN THE, UH, OTHER LOTS ARE FULL.
UH, THE OTHER POINT MIGHT BE THAT THE LEAST PARKING LOTS WILL PROBABLY REMAIN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS PARKING, EVEN IF THE, THE, UH, STRUCTURE IS BUILT.
AND ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS WITH PARKING AND UPTOWN IS THE WHOLE ISSUE OF INDUCED DEMAND, UH, THAT THERE WILL BE MORE CARS DRAWN TO UPTOWN AND MORE, UH, CONGESTION AS A RESULT, UH, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.
UH, I THINK THE CONCENTRATION OF PARKING ON FOREST WILL ALSO HAVE AN IMPACT ON EVACUATION ISSUES IN THAT AREA.
AND FINALLY, I THINK THAT THE, UH, THE NEED FOR THE PARKING GARAGE IS REALLY BASED ON WORKER PARKING.
AND THIS IS CONTRARY TO WHAT I THINK THE CITY'S, UH, REAL PLAN SHOULD BE TO, UH, UH, FOCUS ON TRANSIT FOR BRINGING WORKERS TO UPTOWN.
SEDONA ALSO WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BREWER ROAD AND RANGER ROAD.
I THINK THE, THE PREMISE IS THAT THE EXISTING Y INTERSECTION IS AT CAPACITY AND, UH, AS, UH, COUNCIL LAMB CONVENTION PHOENIX IS ONLY GONNA GROW AND THAT WILL RENDER THE INTERSECTION INEFFECTIVE.
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CONTRACT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR THIS EXPECTED TRAFFIC.I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA THAT WE TRY TO BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES IN SEDONA.
I THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE IS BASED ON CURRENT CONDITIONS, BUT WE HAVE NOT FACTORED IN THE USE OF MICRO TRANSIT THAT, UH, REALLY SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE BUILDING MORE CAPACITY INTO THE CITY.
THE PROVISION OF ADDITIONAL CAPACITY WILL LIKELY ALSO THROUGH INDUCED DEMAND GENERATE LODGING AND UPTOWN OR THE NEED SUPPOSED NEED FOR LODGING.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT MORE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS WILL COME IN IF THOSE CAPACITY INCREASES ARE MADE.
I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER METHODS THAT COULD BE USED TO LIMIT PARKING AT THE TRAILHEADS AND ALONG THE ROADWAYS IN WEST OF SEDONA THAT MAY DISCOURAGE VISITATION DURING THE VERY PEAK PERIODS AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WE HAVE IN CONGESTION DURING THOSE TIMES.
SO I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD THINK MORE, UH, SYSTEM WIDE ABOUT HOW TRAFFIC IS, UH, BROUGHT TO AND MANAGED WITHIN SEDONA.
QUICK QUESTION FOR MR. TIMBROOK, IF I MAY.
YOU, YOU SAID THAT THE 80, YOU DON'T THINK THE 85%, UM, IS THE RIGHT THRESHOLD FOR SEDONA, BUT AS FAR AS I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE AN INDUSTRY STANDARD, SO DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER NUMBER THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? I DON'T, UH, I THINK SEDONA MAY BE UNIQUE.
I THINK THE 85% NUMBER MAY BE BASED ON A LARGE COMMUNITY THAT SEES, UH, HIGH TRAFFIC AND HIGH UH, PARKING NEEDS.
WE HAVE FOUR MONTHS A YEAR THAT HAVE HIGH TRAFFIC AND PARKING NEEDS.
AND THE REST OF THE YEAR, IF YOU GO TO THE LOTS AROUND SEDONA TYPICALLY HAVE A LOT OF, UH, VACANCIES.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE MORE CYCLICAL NATURE THAT WE HAVE? SIMILAR TO THE CYCLICAL NATURE THAT WE HAVE ON TRANSIT, THE, THE TRAILHEAD TRANSIT IN TOWN.
AND MARK, DID YOU TAKE THE SECOND TIME SLOT THAT HE HAD GIVEN? ONE SECOND.
AND KELLY IS NEXT TO BE FOLLOWED BY DONNA JOY NEY.
I SUPPORT WAITING ON THE, THE UH, AND GARAGE.
THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THE GARAGE.
UM, I'M SURE OTHERS BEHIND ME ARE GOING TO SAY MUCH MORE.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE, UH, FOREST ROAD EXTENSION AND THE RANGER ROAD EXTENSION.
KUDOS ON THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE GREAT FOR EVACUATION AND IT WILL HELP THE ISSUE WITH EVERYBODY COMING UP FROM 89 A ONCE THEY GET INTO UPTOWN THE RANGER ROAD EXTENSION AND THEN THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BYPASS AWAY.
THE MERGE ONTO 1 79 IN FRONT OF LACOCK.
BUT IF WE THINK PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO FIND THAT ROAD, I THINK WE'RE LIVING IN LALA LAND, SO PEOPLE WILL FIND THAT ROAD AND THAT WILL HELP RELIEVE THE ISSUES AT THE Y THE ROUNDABOUT WHERE THE FOREST ROAD AND RANGER ROAD MEET ON 89 A FANTASTIC, I THINK THAT'LL REALLY HELP THE ISSUES THERE.
BUT THEN SUDDENLY WE THROW IN THIS WRENCH CALLED THE RIDE EXCHANGE, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT NOW? THE RIDE? THAT'S RIGHT ANNE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A GREAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE, UM, IT'S A MEXICAN RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW.
MAYBE I WON'T SAY IT'S NAME, BUT I'M SURE THEY'D BE HAPPY FOR SOMEBODY TO BUY IT.
AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A BICYCLE RENTAL.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE BICYCLE RENTAL BUSINESS.
SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY ELSE ALSO ALREADY HAS IT.
AND THAT PROPERTY HAS GOOD PARKING AND IT HAS A BUILDING COULD BE CONVERTED.
I JUST, I WOULD ASK US TO BREAK THE PARADIGM THAT THAT EXCHANGE HAS TO BE ON THAT STREET NEAR THE Y IT'S GONNA COMPLETELY SCREW UP THE BYPASS THAT, UM, YOU WOULD GET FROM THE RANGE OF ROAD EXTENSION, LIKE YOU SAID, NOW THERE'S PEOPLE, THERE'S PARKING, THERE'S BUSES.
IF IT WAS JUST A SMOOTH ROAD GOING DOWN TO LACOCK, I THINK WE WOULD REALLY BE ONTO SOMETHING.
DONNA JOY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SUSAN FORD.
UM, I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND I USED TO OWN A BUSINESS IN UPTOWN AND WAY BACK IN THE NINETIES THERE WAS A GREAT IDEA TO BUILD A CITY PARKING LOT BECAUSE CANYON BREEZES WANTED TO EXPAND OR BECOME CANYON BREATHES.
AND AT THE TIME THERE WAS A BUNCH OF MERCHANTS THAT GOT TOGETHER AND THERE WAS A TV SHOW CALLED BACKFIRE, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THE HOSTS WERE, UH, JOHN
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AND EDDIE MADDOCK.UM, AND IT WAS VERY, A VERY CLEVER AND VERY WELL DONE PROGRAM.
AND ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS WAS VIDEOTAPED IN MY BUSINESS, MY HUSBAND AND MY BUSINESS.
AND IT WAS ABOUT THE PARKING LOT IN UPTOWN AND THAT PARKING LOT IN UPTOWN WAS TALKED ABOUT BEING EMPLOYEE PARKING ONLY.
WELL, ALL THE MERCHANTS ENGAGED, THEY HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND THEY SAID IT WAS NOT GONNA BE MAINTAINED BECAUSE EMPLOYEES WERE NOT GONNA BE DICTATED TO GO FROM ONE END OF TOWN TO THE OTHER END OF TOWN TO PARK.
AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD ASK IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CONSIDER HOLDING THIS BACK AND COMING UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT HAS FLEXIBILITY AND WOULD ALLOW EMPLOYEES TO UTILIZE ANY AND ALL PARKING LOTS TO THE MOST OF THEIR CAPACITY.
SUSAN FORD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JEN FARNSWORTH.
JUST THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS.
WOULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE AND START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE? I'M SUSAN FORD AND I LIVE IN UH, SEDONA.
YEAH, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS BEFORE, SO BEAR WITH ME.
UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS NOT THIS REDESIGN GOING, GOING TO COST? UM, I, I HEAR FROM PEOPLE, BUT IT'S GONNA COST LIKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND I JUST WONDERED HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT ALL.
UM, I THINK I HEARD THAT GUY OVER THERE MENTIONING SOMETHING ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS, BUT ARE WE, THE TAXPAYER GONNA HAVE TO, UM, COVER THE MONEY OR SOME SOMEHOW TO, UH, TO PAY, TO PAY FOR ALL? UM, WHAT, SO I THINK, UH, IS THIS GONNA CAUSE DISRUPTION? I MEAN IT IS BOUND TO, SO, UM, WHAT ALTERNATIVE ROUTE WILL BE AVAILABLE IF I WANTED TO SAY DRIVE FROM SEDONA AND GO UP TO FLAT STAFF? SO I, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN YOU, MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME, UM, SOMEONE ALSO MENTIONED THAT, UM, IF THIS, UM, PARKING GARAGE GETS BUILT THAT TOURISTS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE THIS, UM, STRUCTURE FOR FREE, IS THAT GONNA COST THEM ANYTHING? I HOPE THAT'S NOT TRUE CUZ I THINK THAT, UM, IF IF WE THE TAXPAYER OR AND OR AFTER CONTRIBUTE TO ALL OF THIS, BUT WHY SHOULD TOURIST, UM, BE ABLE TO COME INTO TOWN AND NOT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING? IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM FAIR TO ME.
I MEAN, AND I, IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS IN SOME WAY FOR MY TAXES, I MEAN, AND IT'S BUILT, BUT WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO KEEP PAYING FOR IT ONCE IT'S BUILT? UM, I'M, AND THE TAXPAYERS ARE TOURISTS RATHER, IT SEEMS THAT, UM, I DON'T WANT THEM COMING INTO TOWN THINKING THEY CAN GET, UM, COMING AND, UM, TAKE A BOARD OF PARKING SPACES AND NOT HAVE TO PAY A PARK A PARKING FEE.
THAT SEEMS, UM, NOT, NOT FAIR TO ME.
UM, ON A DIFFERENT TERM TOPIC, UM, NOTHING TO DO REALLY WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF HOUSING, UM, FOR, UM, THE RESIDENTS, PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WANT TO COME AND LIVE HERE FOUR TIME.
UM, I WENT TO, THIS SHOULD BE COMMENTING ON THE, ON THE TOPIC.
YOU HAVE TO, SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR VERY WELL.
THIS, THIS SHOULD, YOU SHOULD BE COMMENTING ON THE TOPIC TODAY.
NOT IF THAT'S, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOUSING TODAY.
OKAY, WELL I'LL LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND, UM, MAYBE I I'LL COME TO THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, WHICH PROBABLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, BUT, UM, AND I'M AFRAID YOUR TIME IS UP.
UM, CAN I TALK TO YOU AFTERWARDS? SURE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING AND YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB.
JEN FARNSWORTH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARGARET LIVINGSTON.
I'M JEN FARNSWORTH, A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
AND I'D PARTICULARLY LIKE TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA AND FRAMING IT THE WAY SHE HAS TODAY.
I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS TO SHARE TODAY.
AND THE FIRST IS THAT I WANT TO DISPEL ANY IDEA THAT RESIDENT OPPOSITION TO THE GARAGE IS A RESIDENT VERSUS MERCHANT DILEMMA.
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IT IS NOT.I ALSO WANNA REFUTE THE IDEA THAT THE GARAGE IS JUST, UM, ONE MORE, NOT IN OUR BACKYARD.
AND I ALSO WANT TO DISAGREE THAT RESIDENTS WERE APPROPRIATELY INCLUDED IN INCLUDED IN THE PLANNING PROCESS AS WE WERE NOT FOR ME AND MANY OTHERS.
FOREST ROAD IS JUST ONE OF TWO ENTRANCE AND EXIT ROUTE FOR ALL RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE UPTOWN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE CITY NEEDS TO CONSIDER NOT ONLY THE POTENTIAL NEED, BUT THE SAFETY IMPACTS, THE LIFE SAFETY IMPACTS OF PLACING AN ENORMOUS GARAGE AT THIS CRITICAL LOCATION.
A LOCATION WHICH, LIKE ALL OF SEDONA IS IN A HIGH WILDFIRE HAZARD ZONE.
THERE ARE ALMOST 1000 RESIDENTS IN UPTOWN.
AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO CREATE A SHARED VISION FOR UPTOWN NO COUNCIL MEMBERS CURRENTLY LIVE IN UPTOWN.
AND I'VE EVEN HEARD COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY, I AVOID UPTOWN AT ALL COSTS.
I AVOID UPTOWN LIKE THE PLAGUE.
AND WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT PERCEPTION AND THAT EXPERIENCE.
TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, RESIDENTS MUST BE INCLUDED IN FUTURE PLANNING, ESPECIALLY FOR ANY DECISION LIKE THE PROPOSED GARAGE, PERHAPS THE LARGEST SINGLE STRUCTURE THE CITY HAS EVER PROPOSED.
THIS MEANS WHEN THE UPTOWN COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA COMMITTEE IS REESTABLISHED, IT WILL INCLUDE RESIDENTS.
THAT MEANS THE UP THAT RESIDENTS WILL BE ADDED TO THE UPTOWN PARKING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE WANT TO HELP TO IMPROVE THE ER AND VISITOR EXPERIENCE BY BETTER MANAGED TRAFFIC.
WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF OUR HISTORIC UPTOWN COMMUNITY WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS THAT SHAPES OUR FUTURE.
WE WANT TRANSIT AND TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS THAT MAKE SENSE AND PROVIDE REASONABLE AND ACCESSIBLE PARKING SOLUTIONS FOR EMPLOYEES, RESIDENTS, AND VISITORS.
AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT ANY INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES IMPROVE THE SAFETY FOR ALL AND NEVER CREATE A DETRIMENT OR AN INCREASED LIFE SAFETY RISK.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING POSTPONING THIS PROJECT AND DOING EXTENSIVE ADDITIONAL STUDY.
I WOULD ADD THAT I KNOW A NUMBER OF US DO FEEL THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT FLAWS TO THE WALTER P. MOORE PARKING STUDY, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT OF THE 104 SURVEYS THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM EMPLOYEES, OVER 25% OF THOSE WERE FROM JUST TWO COMPANIES.
MARGARET LIVINGSTON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JANET SINO.
AND THAT'S THE LAST CARD I HAVE.
IF YOU HEAR AND WANT TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD.
MY NAME IS MARY ANN LIVING STONE.
I'M SORRY IF I DIDN'T WRITE IT AND I DO.
IT WAS, IT WAS DARK OVER THERE WHEN I GOT IN.
UM, I WOULD LIKE, AND I'VE BEEN, I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT OF 25 YEARS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TODAY ON THE UP UPTOWN GARAGE POSTPONEMENT, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
I HAVE TO OFFER YOU AN I ANOTHER IDEA FOR THAT.
COULD WE HAVE THE GARAGE ON THE LOWER FLOOR AND PERHAPS SOME HOUSING DORMS, SMALL APARTMENTS ON THE MIDDLE FLOORS FOR WORK FORCE HOUSING ONLY ON THE TOP ROOF.
WE COULD HAVE A GARDEN AND PERHAPS SOME RECYCLING AND COMPOSTING.
IT'S JUST A THOUGHT THAT CAME TO ME ABOUT LOOKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, BUT THE MERCHANTS COULD PROBABLY, PERHAPS SUBSIDIZE SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES LIVING THERE.
IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH IN UPTOWN THAT THEY COULD PROBABLY WALK TO WORK.
UM, THEY COULD MAYBE PAY EXTRA FOR PARKING IF THEY WANTED TO PARK IN THAT LOWER LEVEL, BUT THAT'S, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT THAT I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER.
HI, UH, JANET SINO AND I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT.
AND AREN'T YOU GLAD I'M THE LAST SPEAKER?
I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE ALSO, UM, THE EVACUATION MEETING THAT I WAS AT YESTERDAY, UH, WAS EXCELLENT.
AND IN THAT PROCESS THEY ALSO WILL BE CONDUCT CONDUCTING A THOROUGH AND COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT, ROUTING MAPPING AND INTERSECTION REVIEW FROM THE EVACUATION SIDE OF THINGS.
BUT THAT WOULD HELP ALSO, I THINK IN, DO WE HAVE THE PARKING? CAN WE GET RID OF SOME PARKING, ADJUST SOME PARKING.
ALSO TODAY, UH, GOING THROUGH THE SIM
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PROGRAM, WHICH INCLUDES RERO TRAFFIC, WHETHER IT BE, UH, RANGER ROAD FOREST INTERCHANGE AND SEVERAL OTHERS, I THINK WILL HOPEFULLY REDUCE SOME OF THE CONS, UH, CONGESTION IN UPTOWN, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.UM, WHAT I, I FURTHER WROTE, I'M TRYING TO DO THIS INTELLIGENTLY CUZ NOW I'M SKIPPING ALL OVER THE PLACE LIKE IT'S A HOPSCOTCH GAME.
UM, AS THE EXPRESSION GOES, WE DON'T WANNA THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
A LOT OF WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE ON THIS.
KAREN MENTIONED, I'M GIVING YOU A LOT OF CREDIT TODAY, KAREN, UM, HARD PACK.
THE AREA THAT YOU WOULD'VE PUT THE GARAGE AT, PERHAPS MAKE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PARKING SPOTS FOR EMPLOYEES AND MAYBE IF THAT'S, UH, AN ISSUE WITH NOT ENOUGH EMPLOYEES, WORK ON THE, THAT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE.
MAYBE IN THE SCHLEY, UH, ROAD, MAYBE THERE COULD ALSO BE A CERTAIN PORTION OR PERCENTAGE FOR EMPLOYEES.
SO EMPLOYEES WHO WORK ON THE NORTH SIDE HAVE, HAVE SOME SPOTS.
PEOPLE THAT LIVE, UH, I'M SORRY, WORK ON THE SOUTH END WOULD HAVE SOME SPOTS, UM, CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD.
UH, THAT IS JUST A HUGE SAFETY ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
UH, YESTERDAY A TODDLER JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WALKING WITH MOM AND DAD, NO SIDEWALK, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO SCOOT ACROSS THE ROAD.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE THIRD LANE FOR THE LEFT TURNS GOING EAST ON 89 A ONTO FOREST ROAD, IF THAT COULD BE KEPT IN THE PLAN.
SO YOU HAVE THE TWO, TWO LANES GOING INTO ONE, CONTINUING TO GO UPTOWN, BUT WE WOULD STILL HAVE A DEDICATED LEFT LANE TO GET ONTO FOREST ROAD.
I WANNA THANK THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WILL BE LEAVING US IN A FEW WEEKS FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR DEDICATION.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT ARE WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO REMAIN AND THOSE JOINING THE COUNCIL.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL WHO CAME TO THE OUR HOMES SEVERAL TIMES.
I DO HAVE ANOTHER CARD AND IT'S CHRIS NICHOLS, CHRIS UH, CHRIS NICHOLS, SEDONA.
AND YES, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA.
I HOPE YOU WILL, UH, DELAY AND REASSESS THIS PROJECT.
I ALSO HOPE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEW STUDIES, YOU DON'T JUST LOOK AT A NARROW WINDOW OF PEAK DEMAND.
LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN HAD SAID, UH, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS, I THINK IT WOULD SKEW THE NUMBERS IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT A NARROW WINDOW OF PEAK DEMAND.
UM, I ALSO THINK DOING A SURFACE LOT IN THE 90 SPOTS WILL HELP US ANSWER THE QUESTION.
I'M SORRY, LOSING MY VOICE, UH, WILL HELP US ANSWER THE QUESTION IF THIS IS GONNA BE CHALLENGING OR NOT.
RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT 240 SPOTS, 270 SPOTS, WHATEVER IT'S GONNA BE, WILL BE A PROBLEM.
WE CAN HELP ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITH 90 SPOTS.
OKAY, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE COMMENTS.
I I DO HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON SOME OF THE ISSUES.
UH, I I DO BELIEVE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET OUT ON FOREST ROAD, PARTICULARLY WHEN THE, UH, UH, EXTENSION IS OUT THERE.
UH, I THINK SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU SEE THAT TAKES PLACE IS DUE TO THE LOT THAT'S UP THAT PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON RIGHT NOW.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSED IF THE PARKING GARAGES WERE BUILT, UH, TO HELP CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THAT.
I THINK SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ON THOSE BACK ROADS AND BANDERA OR SMITH AND OTHERS, MAYBE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR PARKING SPOTS FOR THOSE OTHER MULTITUDES OF LOTS THAT ARE BACK THERE BEHIND THE MAIN STREET, UH, 89 A, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND IF THE LOT IS THERE, PERHAPS THEY WILL NOT NEED TO GO DOWN THOSE STREETS AS MUCH AS YOU SEE THEM GOING DOWN THEM NOW.
UH, WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM NOW, UH, WITHOUT THE GARAGE EVEN BEING BUILT.
UH, AND I'M UP THERE AT LEAST TWO TIMES A WEEK WALKING AROUND, SEEING THE TRAFFIC, WATCHING THEM TURN ON FOREST ROAD.
UM, THAT TRAFFIC IS GONNA CONTINUE TO BE THERE.
I THINK THAT THE GARAGE MAKES SENSE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE STUDIES COULD BE RESTUDIED.
UH, I LOOK AT THE MATERIAL AND, AND WE, I'VE HEARD COMMENTS THAT NOBODY WAS CONTACTED.
UH, AND, AND YET MATERIAL PUBLIC OUTREACH IS ONGOING AT THIS STAGE.
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PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED FOR STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, P AND Z PUBLIC HEARING, AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING MAJOR COMMUNITY PLAN, AMENDMENT REZONING, THE PROJECT SIDE.SO IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, ASIDE FROM THE DELL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION, OTHER OUTREACH, INCLUDING NEIGHBORHOOD LETTER NOTIFICATIONS, MONTHLY PROJECT UPDATES, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE GOTTEN INTO WIND OF THE FACT THAT A GARAGE MAY BE GOING UP.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IN THE FUTURE AS I SUP SUPPORT THIS GARAGE NOW, AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT I ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO GET INVOLVED EARLY ON BEFORE IF WE WERE DELAY THIS AND THEN KILL IT.
UH, AND MAYBE THERE'S GOOD REASON TO KILL IT.
AND SO THE STUDIES COULD BE THERE.
AND I'M NOT AGAINST THE STUDIES BECAUSE IT'S BECOME CLEAR TO ME THAT WE WOULD RATHER SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL GOOD EVEN IF THE OUTCOME IS THE SAME.
WHERE I AM CAUTIOUS, FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND TRY, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH THE SAME OUTCOME WHEN WE GET DONE WITH THIS NEXT STUDY AND THAT THE STUDIES WILL SHOW THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO STILL NEED THE GARAGE.
PARTICULARLY IF YOU LOOK SYSTEM WIDE.
WE'VE GOT, LET'S DO, THE PARKING PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME UP, THEY GOTTA PUT THEIR CARS SOMEWHERE, WHETHER THEY'RE EMPLOYEES OR RESIDENTS OR TOURISTS.
AND IF YOU TRY AND FORCE 'EM ALL TO GO TO THE WEST OR GO TO THE SOUTH, PARKING IS GONNA BE SOMEWHAT LIMITED.
WE'RE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE AND TRYING TO FIND LOTS TO PUT THOSE CARS SOMEWHERE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM CHARGING PARKING FOR USING THE GARAGE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE RECHARGING STATION SHOULD BE FREE.
AND, AND THAT, AND AS FAR AS I'M UNDERSTANDING, THEY WON'T BE BECAUSE WE'VE OUTSOURCED THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT WHEN WE TRY, PEOPLE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO GO UPTOWN.
UPTOWN IS WHERE MOST OF OUR TOURISTS GO.
AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC THAT TOURISTS ARE GONNA PARK IN THE GARAGE.
MOST OF 'EM ARE PARKING UP BY THE FIRE STATION JUST ON THE WEST SIDE NOW.
SO THE LOCATION, I THINK, IS KEY.
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT MOBILITY AND WALKING.
WHEN YOU TRY AND TRANSIT THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE ACROSS, IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE PARKING GARAGE, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN I THINK YOU'LL SAVE MORE BY LETTING THOSE CARS STAY THERE AND NOT MOVE AS MUCH.
IF YOU LOOK AT STUDIES OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU WALK AROUND, MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANNA WALK MORE THAN A HALF A MILE FROM WHERE THEY PARK, FOUR TENTHS OF A MILES CLOSER.
YOU LOOK AT SEDONA UPTOWN, IT'S ABOUT AN EIGHT NINE TENTHS OF A MILE STRETCH FROM THE FOREST ROAD ON TO THE, TO THE NORTH.
AND WE'VE GOT THE PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MAJOR PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH WHERE PEOPLE LIKE, IT'S COMPLIMENTARY.
AND THE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH ARE GONNA NOT GONNA WALK FROM THAT SOUTH, THAT NORTH LOT A MILE SOUTH.
I'VE TALKED TO THE PEOPLE, LET ME TELL YOU, WE ARE A TOWN OF RETIREES AND, AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OUR, OUR MEDIAN AGE IS MUCH HIGHER THAN SCOTTSDALE, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO IF IT'S 39 AND WE'RE AT 62 AND A HALF OR 58 AND A HALF, WHATEVER IT IS, A LOT OF OUR TOURISTS ARE THAT SAME AGE GROUP AND THEY DON'T LIKE TO WALK.
PEOPLE I'VE BEEN AT, THEY DON'T WANT HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE STREET TO GO TO THE RESTROOM WHEN I SAY, OH YEAH, THE RUSH GROUP IS OVER THERE, WASN'T THERE ONE OVER HERE? SO I THINK FOUR TENTHS OF A MILE FROM THE NORTH END, OR FOUR TENTHS OF A MILE FROM THE SOUTH END GETS YOU TO THE MIDDLE OF TOWN, AND IT'S REALLY A GOOD SOLUTION.
UH, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T DROP PEOPLE OFF OF THE BUSES, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE LOCATION FOR THE SUBSTATION OR THE RIGHT EXCHANGE SHOULD BE PROBABLY WHERE IT IS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BUILD A RIGHT EXCHANGE THAT'S GONNA BE BIG ENOUGH IN THE, IN THE LAND THAT YOU NEED UPTOWN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND THAT LAND.
UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE STUDIES, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT COULD CHANGE.
I, IT'S JUST GONNA COST US A LOT MORE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.
AND SO, UM, UH, I, I'M THE LONE VOICE PROBABLY UP HERE.
I'LL LET OTHER COUNSELOR SPEAK THAT SAYS WE SHOULD PROCEED.
UH, THE STUDIES WE'VE DONE BEFORE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS, FROM THE, THE CITY STAFF AND ENGINEERING AND THE NEED THAT WE KNOW WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE FOR PARKING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE COULD JUST, LIKE, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD, IN MY OPINION, FOUR LANES ON 1 79 WAY BACK.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE JUST LEFT IT AT TWO AND REBUILD IT ALL FOR TWO.
AGAIN, THAT WAS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE PARKING.
NOT, AND, AND I AM CONCERNED THAT IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.
WE'RE ALREADY HAVING THEM CIRCULATE, LOOKING FOR PARKING.
I GET THE, WELL, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE 70% RULE, BUT ME TELL YOU, WHEN YOU'VE GOT 4 MILLION PEOPLE, OKAY, IT'LL DROP DOWN TO 3 MILLION.
EVERYBODY SAYS, OH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ONLY A TOWN OF 10,000.
YOU GUYS ARE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.
WE'RE A TOWN OF 40,000 PEOPLE ON AN AVERAGE BASIS IF YOU TAKE THOSE 3 MILLION OTHER PEOPLE AND SPREAD 'EM OUT EVENLY OVER THIS OVER THE YEAR.
SO WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WHY IS OUR BUDGET INCREASING AND WHY ARE WE SPENDING MORE MONEY, WE HAVE TO DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS.
UH, AND I THINK THAT THE EMPLOYEES DO NEED A POLICE TO A PLACE TO WORK, TO PARK, BUT WHO KNOWS IF THOSE OTHER PARKING LOTS WERE CLOSED, EMPLOYEES MAY BE ABLE TO PARK BACK WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO BEFORE.
AND YOU'LL TAKE SOME OF THAT BURDEN OFF.
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NOT OPPOSED TO THE STUDIES.I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, UM, AN EXERCISE IN POLITICS THAT'S GONNA JUST COST US MORE THE LONG RUN.
AND, UH, THAT KIND OF SADDENS ME, BUT I'LL BE OFF COUNCIL.
AND SO THAT'LL BE PLEASING TO MANY OF YOU.
AND I WOULD, UH, THANK YOU MATTA MAYOR
UM, FIRST, I, I JUST WANNA THANK ALL THE SPEAKERS TODAY ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY TO GET UP AND, AND SPEAK ON THESE ISSUES.
UM, AND I DO, I THINK THAT COUNCILOR LAMPKIN RAISES A LOT OF POINTS THAT ARE HARD.
I REALLY RESPECT HIM FOR PUTTING THEM OUT THERE, HIS POSITION ON THAT, HIS OPINION, I THINK THAT HE'S RIGHT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.
THAT WE MAY GO THROUGH THE EXTRA STUDIES, UM, AND END UP IN THE SAME PLACE.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THE PROBLEM WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS IS THEY TAKE SO LONG.
THIS IS THE DATA THAT WE ARE NOW IN ABOUT TO GO INTO 2023 WITH.
WE ARE RELYING ON INFORMATION FROM 2018.
THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THAT IN CAPITAL PROJECTS.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY TAKE.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT RESEARCH, YOU HAVE TO GET THE STUDIES, YOU HAVE TO GET THE INFORMATION, YOU HAVE TO SECURE LAND, YOU HAVE TO GET CONTRACTS BIDDING.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT A WAY TO EXPEDITE THAT, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THINGS IN REAL TIME CONDITIONS.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REAL TIME CONDITIONS ARE.
I DO THINK THAT THE EXTRA STUDIES ARE WARRANTED AND NEEDED.
UM, I REALLY AM, UH, GRATEFUL TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR RECOGNIZING THE, THE DESIRE ON THE PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT AND BEING RESPONSIVE TO THAT.
I I THINK THAT, UM, WE MAY END UP IN THE SAME PLACE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
AND EITHER WAY, IF WE DO OR DON'T, WE NEED THE INFORMATION BEFORE WE DO, BECAUSE THIS IS AN ORGANIC TIME, IN MY OPINION, TO TAKE THAT PAUSE, TO DO THAT, THAT EXTRA WORK, BECAUSE COUNCIL, AS YOU POINTED OUT, IS CHANGING.
AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG I'LL BE ON COUNCIL, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING ON NOW ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE REPERCUSSIONS OF THIS.
WERE SO CLOSE TO THEM COMING ON BOARD THAT I AM FULLY SUPPORTED.
MY MAIN REASON FOR, FOR SUPPORTING, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU LAID IT OUT VERY WELL, KAREN, BUT REALLY CARDS ON TABLE.
MY MAIN REASON HERE IS THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO PROCEED AT THIS POINT WITHOUT THE VOICE OF THOSE NEW COUNSELORS BECAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE AND THEY WILL LIVE WITH THAT PROJECT.
SO I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO DO THIS EXTRA STUDY TO BRING THIS FORTH IN, IN JANUARY, NOT WAIT BEYOND THAT, TALK ABOUT IT, THE RETREAT, UM, AND, AND GET THAT INFORMATION ALL INCLUDED.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I DID WANNA POINT OUT THOUGH, WHERE I I, I DO HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN, THAN, UH, MY COLLEAGUE UP HERE IS I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED ON THIS, AND I THANK ALL OF THEM FOR BEING ENGAGED.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS JUST LAST MINUTE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING UP AND, AND SAYING, OH, NOW I'M PAYING ATTENTION THAT THERE'S A GARAGE COMING FORTH.
I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM PEOPLE FOR OVER A YEAR ABOUT THE GARAGE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT YES, WE HAVE 9,000 SOMETHING RESIDENTS AND MAYBE WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM TOTAL OR MAYBE 25, 30 PEOPLE, THAT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE, BUT THAT PERCENTAGE ARE PAYING ATTENTION AND THEY AREN'T DOING HARD WORK AS WELL TO BE ENGAGED, ACTIVELY ENGAGED.
SO I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN FOLLOWING THIS TOPIC OR THE TOPIC OF HOUSING OR THE TOPIC OF TRANSIT, OR WHATEVER THE TOPIC IS THAT'S CLOSE TO YOUR HEART.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO STAY ON IT.
TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, COME TO MEETINGS AND BE INVOLVED.
WE ALL SIGNED UP FOR THIS WILLINGLY, SORT OF KNOWING WHAT WE WERE GETTING INTO.
YOU'RE ALL BEING PULLED IN BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT AFFECT YOU AND THAT MATTERS TO ME VERY MUCH.
SO THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING OUT ON THAT.
SO TO WRAP UP, UH, AGAIN, I REALLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSITION AS WAS LAID OUT BY THE CITY MANAGER.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING FORWARD WITH THAT, SCOTT.
UH, I SUPPORT WAITING PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE PRICE.
I THINK IT'S REALLY TOO HIGH RIGHT NOW, BUT I ALSO DO AGREE THAT WE ARE SO CLOSE TO HAVING NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ON BOARD.
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN AS WELL.
THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION OUT HERE OR MISUNDERSTANDINGS HERE.
I THINK IT'S A MISNOMER THAT IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.
I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT FLAGSTAFF OR PHOENIX IS GONNA PUT UP A NEW SIGN, COME TO SEDONA, THEY HAVE A NEW PARKING LOT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT PEOPLE, AND I MET A WOMAN IN THE COURTYARD BEFORE THIS MEETING THAT SAID SHE WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE OTHER SURFACE LOTS WERE GOING TO BE
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ELIMINATED.AND BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE A PARKING SPACE FOR PARKING SPACE.
UH, I THINK THAT NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE REALIZE THAT, BUT I, HOW MUCH ELSE WASN'T REALIZED? SO I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO MORE STUDYING, UM, TO BE SURE THAT THE PROPER INFORMATION IS OUT THERE.
SO MAYBE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN SEDONA, WE COULD HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE ON BOARD AND SUPPORTING A PROJECT, SORT OF LIKE THE CHAPEL ROAD SHARED USE PATH WHERE, WHERE ALL THE NEIGHBORS WERE ON BOARD TO HAVE A SHARED USE PATH.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRANSIT HUB OR WHAT THE, WHATEVER THE FACILITY'S GONNA BE.
I STILL, I STILL LIKE EXCHANGE PLACE LIKE IN, IN, IN MANHATTAN.
BUT, UM, I, THE, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS LOCATION WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT LEGS OF THE PROJECT.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE CENTER OF THE, THE LEGS OF THE PROJECT.
IS THAT OR THE, THE BUS ROUTES.
IS THAT STILL THE, UM, THE THOUGHTS ROBERT? ANYBODY? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT, GOING TO BE DIFFERENT LEGS OF THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COME TO ONE AREA TO PUT IT OUTSIDE THE CITY, RIGHT.
ISN'T, THAT'S NOT THE CENTER OF THE CITY WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE CUZ IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT.
THAT IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT THE MOST BENEFICIAL PLACE FOR THE RIOT EXCHANGE WOULD BE A CENTRAL LOCATION.
ALSO, UM, THERE WAS A MENTION ABOUT CANYON BREEZE AND SUPPOSEDLY BEING FOR EMPLOYEES, AND IT'S NOT BEING IN FOR, FOR EMPLOYEES, AND IT ABSOLUTELY IS FOR EMPLOYEES BECAUSE IF THE UNDERSIDE, THE UN THE LOWER LEVEL OF CANYON BREEZE PARKING LOT IS EXACTLY FOR EMPLOYEES AND THIS SCIENCE, AND THEY WILL TOW YOU OUT OF THERE IF YOU ARE NOT AN EMPLOYEE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH EMPLOYEES I WOULD GUESS IT, IT WOULD BE CAN YOU BREEZE'S EMPLOYEES, BUT IT IS BEING USED FOR EMPLOYEES.
UH, I ALSO WANNA MAKE A POINT OF THIS LOCATION OF, UH, THE PARKING GARAGE.
I PULLED SOME OLD, UH, COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
AND EVEN BACK THEN, THIS FOREST ROAD LOCATION, ALTHOUGH ACROSS THE STREET BY THE FIREHOUSE WAS THE AREA CHOSEN EVEN BACK THEN.
SO, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN DISCUSSIONS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, BUT NOW, UH, STATION FOUR IS GOING TO BE REBUILDING A NEW FIRE STATION IN THAT, UH, VIC THE LOT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING.
SO THAT I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT CAN BE USED ANY, ANY LONGER AFTER THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION IS DONE.
BUT THE POINT BEING IT'S ALL ON FOREST ROAD.
THAT'S WHERE IT ALWAYS HAS COME TO BE.
BUT I STILL WOULD SUPPORT GETTING SOME MORE INFORMATION AND MOVING FORWARD.
YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THAT OR TRY TO ARGUE WITH ANY OF THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE.
BUT, UM, I'M, I'M REALLY, UH, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE, UH, MORE EXAMINATION AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HEAR THE TERM WE NEED TO DO MORE STUDIES OR DO THE STUDIES OVER OR WHATEVER.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.
AND, AND THAT, AND THAT MEANS, AND IS ACTUALLY SAID IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, FINDING WAYS TO DEEMPHASIZE THE AUTOMOBILE.
UM, YOU, WE COULD BRING IN SUSTAINABILITY INTO THIS AND, AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE WORLD'S GONNA BE LIKE IN 20 OR 30 YEARS.
WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT, UM, HOW THINGS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AND THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE MORE CARS COMING HERE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TOURISTS COMING HERE.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CHANGES AND WE CAN BE PART OF THOSE CHANGES.
AND I THINK A REALLY GOOD STUDY OF, I WANNA CALL IT THE PARKING SCIENCE THAT'S AT LEAST AN ACADEMIC STUDY THAT HAS REAL ACADEMIC, UH, UH, TEETH TO IT, UH, IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING FOR ANYONE WHO'S, UH, OPEN-MINDED, WHICH I CONSIDER ALL MY COLLEAGUES HERE AND PEOPLE WHO'VE SPOKEN AND EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, UH, IS GONNA BE VERY INTERESTING.
IT'S GONNA BE VERY EYE-OPENING.
YOU'RE GONNA FIND HOW IT'S CONNECTED TO HOUSING, HOW IT'S CONNECTED TO EQUITY, UM, OF COURSE HOW IT'S CONNECTED TO SUSTAINABILITY.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA FIND HOW PARKING DOES OR DOES NOT
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AFFECT TRA UM, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERNS.AND IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY MOST PEOPLE THINK.
SO, UM, I'M, I'LL JUST SAY AGAIN, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I THINK IT'S, UH, UH, TERRIBLY COURAGEOUS WHEN SO MUCH WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN BEEN DONE TO SAY MAYBE WE SHOULD STOP AND, AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK OF IT.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER, UH, SUGGESTING THAT, UM, I'M DEEPLY IN, IN AWE OF, OF ANDY AND HIS TEAM AND ALL THAT THEY'VE DONE, AND HOPE THAT WHATEVER WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE IS TRANSPORTABLE TO WHATEVER COMES UP.
AND IT MAY BE THAT IT'S THE SAME GARAGE IN THE SAME SPOT, AND, BUT IT WILL BE WITH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW ALL THAT'S GONNA WORK WITH TRANSIT AND HOW ALL THAT'S GONNA WORK WITH THE FUTURE THAT WE ENVISION.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT CAN REALLY COME OUT FROM THIS.
AND THE TIMING IS EXCELLENT TO DO THAT.
UM, AND, UM, SO I'M OBVIOUSLY VERY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS, BUT, UH, I THINK WE'RE VERY MUCH ON THE RIGHT TRACK FOR DOING THIS.
AND I'M, UM, ESPECIALLY, UM, DISAPPOINTED THAT I WON'T BE AT THE JANUARY
UH, YOU, YOU'LL HAVE, YOU CAN BE THERE.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WATCH FOR SURE.
I'LL, I'LL SIT THERE AND GRIM US, UH,
UM, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A GREAT COUNCIL THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO, UH, UM, UH, TACKLE ALL THESE THINGS AND, AND SEE IT IN THE BIGGER PICTURE.
WE HAVE TO STAY, WE HAVE TO STAY TRUE TO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN IN OUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE.
AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS HOW, HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT THAT AND TO, TO GO BY THE SAME, UH, OLD FASHIONED THINKING ABOUT EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE A CAR, EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE DOING THIS OR WHATEVER.
WE CAN'T AFFORD IT ANY LONGER.
WE REALLY GOTTA GET ABOVE THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, KAREN.
AND, AND THANK YOU, UM, COLLEAGUES HERE FOR, UM, UH, FOR SUPPORTING IT.
AND, UH, I'LL JUST STOP TALKING.
JESSICA? WELL, I SUPPORT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER.
WOULD YOU TURN TO PUT THE MICROPHONE? YEAH,
I SUPPORT THE CITY MANAGERS RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER IS MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION, AND I AM TOTALLY RESPECT, TOTALLY RESPECT HER, HER SENSE OF, OF HOW TO PROCEED ON THIS POINT.
UM, AND POLITICAL REALITY REQUIRES THAT WE DO IT.
UM, I SUPPORT THE GARAGE IN THE LOCATION WHERE IT IS.
MY VIEW WAS ALWAYS THAT THE GARAGE WOULD CONSOLIDATE PARKING, ELIMINATE THE LEAST ON STREET PARKING, WHICH CONTRIBUTES TO THE, TO THE GOING ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND, SEARCHING FOR A, A PLACE TO PARK CONTRIBUTES TO THE CONGESTION ON SMITH AND VAN DARREN AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
AND I WOULD ALSO ALWAYS FORESAW THAT, OR ALWAYS HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ELIMINATION OF SOME ON STREET PARKING, WHICH, UH, I HAD ALWAYS EXPECTED WOULD, UH, ENHANCE SAFETY FEATURES AND EVACUATION.
I FRANKLY DON'T BELIEVE, DON'T BELIEVE MYSELF, BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT, NOR IS ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM THAT THE, THE CONSOLIDATION OF PARKING PER IN ITSELF IS GOING TO MAKE A HUGE SAFETY DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF EVACUATION IF THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES REMAINS THE SAME.
I MEAN, WE CAN ALL HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT.
WE CAN ALL GUESS, BUT I MEAN, I I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THAT'S TRUE.
UM, AND STUDIES CAN ALWAYS BE PICKED APART.
THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS IN EVERY STUDY.
WELL, THEY USED THE WRONG ASSUMPTION HERE.
THEY DIDN'T DO THIS, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
I REMEMBER THE CVS STUDY WHERE THE, THEY DID THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN FROM SUN FROM THE, UM, OVERLOOK AND IT WAS GONNA BE A HUGE TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AT, UM, AIRPORT ROAD.
IT WAS GONNA BE CAR, A CAR CATASTROPHE.
AND BECAUSE THEY USED THE WRONG ASSUMPTIONS.
WELL, I THINK ANY OF US WHO GO BY THAT AREA CAN SEE THAT THIS CATASTROPHE ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS CORRECT.
AND, AND, UH, GUY TOLD ME COMMON SENSE SHOULD PREVAIL.
I KNOW THEY MADE THE WRONG ASSUMPTIONS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU WANT, WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME OF A STUDY, YOU
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CAN ALWAYS FIND REASONS NOT TO LIKE IT.AND I PREDICT THAT WHATEVER STUDY COMES FORWARD, THERE WILL STILL BE THINGS THAT CAN BE PICKED APART IN THAT STUDY.
THAT'S THE NATURE OF MAKING DECISIONS, UM, IN THIS FORUM AND IN ANY FORUM.
UH, AND, AND THE THING IS, I I, I SURE TIME HAS PASSED SINCE THE ORIGINAL STUDY, GUESS WHAT TIME WILL PASS FROM THE NEXT STUDY TO WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED? AND WE WON'T HAVE CURRENT FIGURES THEN EITHER.
WE'LL RELY ON OLD FIGURES AND THERE MAY BE NEW PEOPLE COMING ON COUNCIL WHO HAVE DIFFERENT AND WILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS CHANGE.
THE QUESTION THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT THOMPSONS ASKING PERHAPS FROM A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAN I HAVE, IS THE PARKING GARAGE ACTUALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO OR NOT.
AND IF IT IS, WE SHOULD DO IT.
UM, I THINK HE'S LOOKING FOR A BROADER LOOK SORT OF ACADEMICALLY AND PHILOSOPHICALLY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE WHOLE WAY THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS LOOKED AT THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE OF HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS IS WRONG AND NEEDS TO BE LENS THROUGH A, A MORE MODERN, UM, SOME MIGHT SAY MORE UTOPIAN ACADEMIC VISION.
UM, BUT I THINK IF THE TRAFFIC GARAGE IS NEEDED AND IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, IT SHOULD BE BUILT REGARDLESS OF, OF ERROR ERRORS THAT PEOPLE SAY THEY FOUND IN THE STUDY OR, OR THE FACT THAT, THAT THEY DON'T, YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE ASSUMPTIONS WERE CORRECT.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU JUST CAN'T, YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE POLICY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, I EXPECT THERE'S DIFFERENT OPINIONS IN THIS ROOM.
THERE'S PROBABLY 50 DIFFERENT OPINIONS IN THIS ROOM ABOUT EVERYTHING, AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
UM, POLITICALLY I THINK THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE THAT WE NEED TO STOP AND WE NEED TO RECONSIDER AND DO SOME MORE STUDIES.
LET'S RECONSIDER AND DO SOME MORE STUDIES.
UM, I RESPECT COUNCIL LAMPKIN, UNLIKE THE REST OF US.
I MEAN, NOT YOU, I KNOW YOU'RE UPTOWN, BUT THOSE OF US ON, ON COUNCIL WHO AREN'T UPTOWN ALL THE TIME, HE'S UPTOWN.
HE SPENDS HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS THERE.
HE ACTUALLY SEES THE CARS GO ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND.
UM, AND WE CAN ALL PROJECT AS TO WHY THAT IS.
I MEAN, I MIGHT ARGUE THAT IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE DISPERSED PARKING.
SO PEOPLE GOING ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND LOOKING FOR A PARKING PLACE, THEY, LIKE, IF THERE WAS ONE PARKING PLACE, GUESS WHAT? THEY MIGHT USE IT.
I KNOW WHEN I GO TO SANTA BARBARA, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE ON STREET PARKING AND I GO, WELL, PARKING GARAGE, I JUST HEAD THERE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS NO OTHER PARKING AND PEOPLE JUST MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ACT BASED ON HOW YOU WANT THE OUTCOME OF THE ARGUMENT TO HAPPEN IS JUST SO COMMON.
WE ALL DO IT, YOU KNOW, AND WE SORT OF PROJECT I, I I, AND SO I GUESS THE, THE LONG AND SHORT OF THIS IS, I STILL THINK THE PARKING GARAGE IS A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK IT'S WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
I THINK THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF IT WHERE ARE IMPORTANT, BUT I RESPECT, I RESPECT THE CITY MANAGER'S DECISION TO PUT IT OFF.
I RESPECT THE DECISION OF MY FELLOW COUNSELORS WHO FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE NECESSARY.
AND SO I CERTAINLY WOULD SUPPORT KAREN'S, UM, UM, PROPOSAL TO MOVE FAIRLY QUICKLY TO GET A NEW PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE.
UM, I'M, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO ADDRESS COUNSELOR THOMPSON'S RATHER AMBITIOUS, UM, AND VERY REASONABLE.
I MEAN, I ADMIRE, I ADMIRE THE VISION THAT HE HAS.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO TO ADDRESS IT IN THE, IN THE ACADEMIC AND KIND OF, I I SEE IT AS AC ACADEMIA AS NOT ALWAYS AS PRAGMATIC AS, AS, AS WE NEED TO BE.
AND, UM, SO I WILL SUPPORT IT.
UH, I WON'T BE, I SUPPORT, I SUPPORT THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
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TO DO WITH THE PRICE, THE PRICE TAG.UH, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED OUT AT 9 MILLION AND THEN 11 MILLION, AND OUR BUDGET SAYS 18 MILLION, THEN I HEARD 16 MILLION EARLIER.
AND FOR THAT, AND, AND, AND WE'RE, IF WE WERE TO PROCEED AS PLANNED, WE WOULD BE AT THE HIGHEST POINT FOR BOTH MATERIALS AND INFLATION THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN IN MANY, MANY YEARS.
SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND, ANDY, YOUR PERSPECTIVE, THE PRICES NEVER GO DOWN.
I WOULD HOPE THAT, THAT THE SUPPLY CHAIN AND LABOR AND OTHER THINGS WOULD ACTUALLY SHRINK PRICES, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I THINK WHEN WE SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY AND BUILD A STRUCTURE THAT'S THAT BIG AND THE LARGEST PROJECT WE'VE TAKEN ON AS A CITY, WE NEED TO, WE, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT IT AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT.
AND I THINK TAKING A PAUSE AND REEVALUATING IT OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WILL GIVE US SOME ANSWERS.
AND I AGREE WITH CHRIS NICHOLS THAT THE 96 SPACES, IF THAT'S WHAT WE GET, WILL GIVE US SOME PROOF ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE, UH, ON FOREST ROAD.
PLUS, AS KAREN SAID EARLIER, AND, AND WHAT HAS CONCERNED ME ALL ALONG, AND WHAT I HAD MENTIONED BRIEFLY WAS THE FACT THAT THESE STUDIES WERE DONE IN SILOS AND THEY WEREN'T, AND THE DOTS WERE NOT CONNECTED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
SO THE TRANSIT STUDY WAS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME AS THE PARKING GARAGE STUDY AND THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY, AND THEY WERE ALL DONE BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT THE IMPACTS OF, OF, OF THESE PROJECTS COMING TO FRUITION.
SO NOW WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, FAST FORWARD FIVE YEARS AND WE CAN SEE THESE THINGS AND WE CAN CONNECT THE DOTS AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THEY INTERSECT.
AND I, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE AND THANK YOU KAREN, AND THANK YOU AUDIENCE, BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVE HAD A BIG IMPACT ON MY THINKING.
AND I HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THIS EARLIER IN THE PROCESS AND THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL COME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER.
AND WHEN WE HAVE RESISTANCE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WILL HELP US NOT SPEND SO MUCH MONEY YOU AND THEN TAKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO TAKE A RE-LOOK AT IT.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS.
WELL, I THINK THE COMMENT, ALL COMMENTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME, BUT THIS, I I, ANDY, I HAVE TO ASK, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THESE STUDIES WERE DONE COMPLETELY IN DIFFERENT SILOS? I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU'RE THE EXPERT.
WELL, I WOULD ADMIT THAT JUST THE NATURAL FLOW OF HOW THINGS OCCURRED WITH SIM AND, UM, DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, THEY DIDN'T EXACTLY ALIGN.
BUT IT'S JUST MY OPINION THAT I AGREE WITH COUNSELOR LAMPKIN THAT, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY STUDY IT.
AND IF I, I, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T GIVE MY MY HUNCH ON HOW THAT'S GONNA GO, BUT, UM, THANK YOU.
WELL, I I JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS COMPLETELY IN DIFFERENT SILOS.
OUR CONSULTANT IS ALSO SHOCKING HIS HEAD.
I MEAN, I WILL SAY THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CONSOLIDATION THAT CAN OCCUR BECAUSE THERE'S HALF A DOZEN TO A DOZEN STUDIES RELATED TO THIS TOPIC.
THAT PART OF IT WILL BE AN ALL ENCOMPASSING DOCUMENT THAT STITCHES EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, LIKE WE DIDN'T, WE TOOK SOME OF THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY LOOKED AT IT IN TERMS OF SOME OF OUR EVALUATION.
THERE'S A TRANSIT STUDY THAT WE'VE USED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE WORKED INTO WITH THE SECOND TRANSIT STUDY WE'VE DONE.
AND THEN WE'VE DONE TIAS FOR FORESTS, WE'VE DONE TIA FOR THE GARAGE, AND THEN WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE VISA MODEL.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT I DON'T AGREE IT WAS DONE IN A SILO.
UH, I WOULD SAY THE 2018 STUDY WAS LACKING INFORMATION DIDN'T HAVE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF ALL THAT HAVE COME ON IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
SO IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING INTO, TO ONE DOCUMENT THAT USES EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST FIVE TO EVEN 25 YEARS IS THANK YOU COUNCIL.
SO, SO, AND ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS WE'VE BEEN WORKING, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE SINCE I BELIEVE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2005.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, I FOUND ONE OF THEM WAS, UH,
THE, THE SIM TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN WAS COMPLETED IN 18, BUT THERE WAS A, A PRIOR TRANSPORTATION
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MASTER PLAN THAT WAS A, A REGION SPECIFIC DONE BY A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT THAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2005.THAT WAS LOOKING AT KIND OF WEST SEDONA AREA.
THERE WAS ALSO AN UPTOWN PARKING STUDY DONE IN 2005.
THAT STUDY WAS UPDATED IN 2012.
AND THEN THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY WAS 2018, FINISHED IN 19.
SO MY, MY THINK MY POINT IS THIS IS NOT OUT OF THE BLUE.
THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND WHILE I FULLY APPRECIATE, AS I SAID, EVERY COMMENT WE HEAR, THERE ARE ALSO SOME PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND HAVE NOT MADE THAT VERBAL, IT HASN'T BEEN VERBALIZED.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE RECEIVED EMAILS THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE, BUT THAT NEVER COMES UP WHEN WE'RE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC IN A COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEIR COMMENTS AREN'T JUST AS VALID AS EVERYBODY WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT IN THIS MEETING.
THEY ARE, AND WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT SEVERAL BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF THE GARAGE.
SO TO TAKE ONE SESSION AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE HEARING FROM THESE PEOPLE, I TRY TO REMIND MYSELF, YES, WE'VE LOST POPULATION, BUT OUR OFFICIAL POPULATION IS OF 2020 WAS 96, 84, I BELIEVE.
AND IF WE'VE HEARD FROM A HUNDRED PEOPLE, HOW, HOW MUCH IS THAT? HOW ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM? THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WE, WE DON'T HEAR FROM.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CORRECT A, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT IT SOUNDS TO ME PEOPLE HAVE A MISCONCEPTION THAT THE TOURISTS AREN'T PAYING ANY OF THE TAX THAT SUPPORTS OUR TOWN.
AND THAT RESIDENTS ARE PAYING, I HOPE SOME OF EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WHO'S A RESIDENT REALIZES YOU ARE NOT PAYING PROPERTY TAXES TO THE CITY OF SEDONA.
SO I HOPE EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THAT.
AND FRANKLY, FOR YEARS WE'VE HAD ESTIMATES OF HOW MUCH OF OUR SALES TAX REVENUE COMES FROM TOURISTS, AND IT'S ABOUT THREE QUARTERS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW,
IF WE WERE NOT TO CHARGE FOR THE PARKING LOT IN THE BEGINNING, IT WOULD BE TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO USE IT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WOULD GO ON FOREVER, BUT IT WOULD INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO USE IT.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT AS, UH, OTHER COUNSELORS HAVE NOTED CAPITAL PROJECTS TAKE SEVERAL YEARS.
SO THERE, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO DO EVERY TIME WE DON'T DO A CAPITAL PROJECT, OH GEE, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, LET'S DO IT.
NO, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.
AND SO OVER THE YEARS, THESE HAVE BEEN, THIS PARKING GARAGE HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR, YOU KNOW, SINCE 2005 AT LEAST NOW HAVE, HAVE THINGS CHANGED.
OF COURSE THEY HAVE THE, THIS CURRENT DATA WE HAVE IS MOSTLY FROM A STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2018 OR 19.
AND, AND YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE BEHIND ON DATA BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT UP TO THE CURRENT TIME.
SO EVERY STUDY IS GONNA BE OUTTA DATE, UH, IN SOME WAYS BY THE TIME IT'S FINISHED.
AND, AND THAT WILL BE TRUE OF EVERY, EVERY STUDY WE DO IN THE FUTURE.
SO THERE IS, UH, I, I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH TOM AND MUCH OF WHAT JESSICA SAID, THAT I BELIEVE THIS IS WHERE THE TRAFFIC GARAGE NEEDS TO BE.
IN FACT, THE IDEA OF PUTTING IT HERE WAS BROUGHT UP IN MY RECOLLECTION, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO US AND SAID, NO, WE NEED A PARKING GARAGE.
WE'VE GOT ONE AT THE NORTH END, WE NEED SOMETHING AT THE SOUTH END OF UPTOWN.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES IN UPTOWN WHO WE HAVE BEEN TOLD, I'VE HEARD, OH NO, THE EMPLOYEES WON'T USE IT.
BUT I'VE HEARD FROM EMPLOYERS THAT THEY WILL.
SO THERE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF EVERYTHING WE TALK ABOUT ALWAYS.
WE NEVER DO ANYTHING THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T OBJECT TO.
SO, AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE OBJECTIONS IN THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD, BUT IF WE WANT TO DO SOME THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD, YOU GOTTA CUT IT OFF SOMEWHERE.
IT'S CALLED ANALYSIS PARALYSIS.
IF YOU DON'T AND YOU GET NOTHING DONE, YOU CAN ALWAYS PICK IT APART.
I THINK JESSICA MADE THAT STATEMENT.
SO, SO I, I DO THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT FOR ALL OF THE REASONS CITED, AND WE HAD A LOT OF OF BACKUP FOR IT.
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WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD.I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT GOING TO, AND I JUST HOPE IT'S NOT BEEN KILLED ENTIRELY BECAUSE I THINK IT IS NEEDED.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WE, SOME, A LOT OF PEOPLE I THINK DON'T REALIZE, THEY, PEOPLE THINK, OH NO, THIS ISN'T THE PLACE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER IN WEST SEDONA.
NO, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT TRANSIT, I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER ROBERT SAYING THE HUB OR WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
SO IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO, ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE AS AN EXCHANGE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PARKING THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY IOWA WOULD OBJECT TO THE WORD PARK BEING USED IN THE WHATEVER WE CALL IT.
AND WHILE, BECAUSE AS VICE AMER NOTED, IT HAS TWO MEANINGS.
A PARK, OOH, A PARK FOR FUN, FOR RECREATION, OR A PLACE TO PARK.
WELL, WE KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PLACE TO PARK.
IT WILL BE A MINOR PARK MAYBE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING THERE TO TRANSFER TO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT, UH, THAT'S WHY I WOULD NOT LIKE PARK USED EITHER, BECAUSE IT HAS THAT DOUBLE MEANING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA END UP CALLING IT.
YOU, YOU ARE GOING TO PROBABLY MAKE THAT DECISION, NOT ME.
BUT IN ANY CASE, THE, IT'S THE FUNCTION.
AND I THINK IT IS DESIGNED TO, UH, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE FUNCTION AND THE IDEA OF THE ROUNDABOUT THAT CAN SERVICE FOREST ROAD COMING DOWN THE HILL IS, IS GREAT.
AND THE OTHER ONE, I, I THINK WE AGREED IT WAS GOING TO GO AWAY.
THE ONE AT BREWER ROAD, UM, IT WILL TURN INTO SOMETHING MORE LIKE A, UH, JUST A REGULAR INTERSECTION.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, A T INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT SHOWS ON THE MAP, IT'S, IT'S DECEPTIVE.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY LOOK THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IN FUNCTION.
THESE ARE COMPLICATED ISSUES, REALLY COMPLICATED ISSUES.
THEY CANNOT BE DECIDED ON QUICKLY.
AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE LONG PROJECTS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO BUILD THEM, AND YOU CAN'T, AS I SAY, IT TAKES A LONG PERIOD OF TIME ONCE YOU EVEN GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH THE PARKING GARAGE WHERE IT'S REALLY READY TO GO OUT TO BID.
AND I GUESS WE HAD A, WE HAD A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT ONE POINT.
WE, SO WE'VE ALREADY ACTUALLY STARTED THAT PROCESS.
SO WE'VE SPENT SOME MONEY, WE WILL BE SPENDING MORE MONEY.
THERE'S NO WAY THE COST IS GONNA GO DOWN ON THE GARAGE BY WAITING.
IT JUST ISN'T WILL SOME PRICES GO DOWN IF YOU WAIT FOR THE RECESSION TO HAPPEN? WE HEARD FROM, UH, AN ECONOMIST THIS MORNING, THE CHAMBER MEETING THAT YES, THERE'S, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE, WHICH IS EIGHT YEARS, EVERY YEAR I'VE HEARD IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS WE'LL HAVE A RECESSION.
SO I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT.
BASICALLY, WE'VE HAD THE PANDEMIC THAT CAME ALONG AND MADE THIS ECONOMY LIKE NO OTHER WE'VE EVER SEEN IN OUR LIFETIMES.
BUT IT IS, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS FOR AND WILL BE FOR A WHILE.
I DON'T BELIEVE PRICES ARE GOING TO GO DRAMATICALLY DOWN AND WHAT YOU PAY FOR THE ADDITIONAL STUDY IS GOING TO ADD TO THE COST.
I DON'T, I, I THINK WE'D BE LUCKY TO OFFSET IT WITH ANY PRICES THAT JUST MIGHT GO DOWN BECAUSE INFLATION HAS HAPPENED.
IT WILL DROP OVER TIME, BUT IT'S GONE UP A LOT ALREADY.
AND SO GETTING IT BACK DOWN IS NOT GONNA BE EASY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF ECONOMIC THINGS THAT FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO THAT.
UH, SO I, I DON'T, I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK WE COULD COUNT.
AS ANDY SAID,
WELL BY THAT TIME, A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS HAVE CHANGED.
SO IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO OPERATE THAT WAY.
I LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ONCE WE START MOVING FORWARD.
I LIKE TO CONTINUE UNLESS IT'S REALLY FATALLY FLAWED.
THE OTHER THING THAT IS GONNA HA I KNOW THERE'S A QUESTION OF, UM, HOW MANY CARS ARE GONNA BE COMING IN THE FUTURE? SO THIS IS A DEMOCRACY AND WE DON'T GATE OFF OUR PUBLIC ROADS AND UNLESS WE PUT A GATE UP ON THE THREE ENTRANCES TO SEDONA, CARS ARE GONNA KEEP COMING.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ELECTRIC AND SOME OF THEM EVENTUALLY WILL BE AUTOMATIC VEHICLES THAT WILL TAKE TIME.
WE WENT FROM THE HORSE AND BUGGY ERA TO THE CAR IN 13 YEARS AND WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT TO ELECTRIC CARS.
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THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT IN MY MIND.UH, AND WHEN WE DO, UH, THEY'LL BE DRIVEN BY, YOU KNOW, THE CHARGING STATIONS THAT WILL ALL, AND WE'LL BE PLUGGING THEM INTO OUR GARAGES AT HOME.
IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE SERVICE STATION INDUSTRY BECAUSE YES, WE'LL STILL NEED THEM, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT GAS IN YOUR CAR FROM YOUR, SOME STOCK YOU HAVE IN YOUR GARAGE AT NIGHT.
BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PLUG IN YOUR ELECTRIC CAR EVERY NIGHT AND CHARGE IT UP PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU NEED.
SO ACROSS COUNTRY IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT MATTER.
THEY'LL STILL, WE'LL STILL NEED THOSE CHARGING STATIONS, BUT NOT LIKE WE NEEDED GAS STATIONS.
SO THINGS ARE REALLY EVOLVING IN A MAJOR WAY.
WE'RE IN A TECHNOLOGICAL REVOLUTION ON THE SCALE OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
AND IT'S, THINGS ARE CHANGING.
WE ARE ALSO PLANNING FOR PARKING LOTS AT THE EDGE OF TOWN ALREADY.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY DONE.
WE'VE PURCHASED SOME OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE OUT ON 1 79.
AND UH, I, I FEEL SURE AT SOME POINT WE'LL FIND THAT.
BUT SO CARS, BUT CARS WILL STILL COME.
I I DON'T, AND WE FOUND IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE DID EIGHT YEARS AGO, THAT 50% OF THE CARS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH SEDONA NOW ARE GOING THROUGH, THEY'RE DOING JUST THAT.
THEY'RE DRIVING THROUGH, THEY'RE NOT STOPPING.
SO SEDONAS IN A, IT IS IN A UNIQUE SITUATION.
I THINK SOMEBODY SAID THAT HERE TODAY.
AND THIS IS ONE POINT WHERE IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND A CITY THAT COMPARES TO SEDONA AND REALLY IS COMPARABLE CUZ IT'S, IT'S MOST OF THE TOURIST TOWNS OR A LOT OF 'EM ARE ON DEAD ENDS.
THE SKI COMMUNITIES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, PEOPLE AREN'T DRIVING THROUGH THEM TO GET SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THEY ARE THROUGH SEDONA.
SO THERE ARE MANY WAYS WE'RE UNIQUE AND THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT.
SO I AM, I DON'T USUALLY TALK THIS LONG, BUT AS MY, MY TIME GETS SHORTER ON COUNCIL, MAYBE I'LL TALK MORE.
UM, I AM IN FAVOR OF THE GARAGE.
I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO EXTEND THE STUDY, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE THOSE WHO DO AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO WAY I CAN STOP IT.
IF IT WAS MY DECISION, I'D JUST BUILD IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GET ANY BETTER.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE THAT MUCH.
AND, AND I, AND I THINK IT, IT IS, IT HAS BECOME A POLITICAL FOOTBALL IN A LOT OF WAYS, RIGHT? SO, BUT I I DO BELIEVE IN TRANSIT.
I, I REALLY STRONGLY, I ALWAYS HAVE, WE ARE WORKING TOWARD HAVING ELECTRIC VEHICLE TRANSIT VEHICLES AND I BELIEVE WE STILL NEED TO DO THAT.
AND UH, BUT YOU AMERICANS LIKE THEIR CARS, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS.
WE CAN'T FORCE THEM ON TRANSIT.
SOME PEOPLE THINK, WELL, YOU JUST MAKE THEM GET ON TRANSIT BEFORE THEY DRIVE INTO THE CITY.
WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT
SO, UH, BUT WE CAN, WE CERTAINLY ARE GOING TO OFFER IT AND TRY TO INCENT THEM TO DO THAT.
BUT SOME OF THEM WILL SIMPLY CHOOSE NOT TO TO, AND WE CAN'T STOP THEM.
SO THOSE ARE MY FEELINGS AND UH, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY MOVE ON.
UH, KAREN, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE DIRECTION? YEAH, I FIGURED YOU COULD.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE GAVE THE DIRECTION ANDY TO ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT A CHANGE ORDER OR SOMETHING, OR A SEPARATE BID FOR THE SAFETY ISSUES AND UH, I JUST WANNA SAY I WAS IN, IN SUPPORT OF DOING THAT.
LET'S ASK ANDY IF HE FEELS HE NEEDED DIRECTION ON SOMETHING.
UM, PART OF THAT, I'M NOT SURE IF KAREN GOT HER QUESTION ANSWERED ON THE BOND SITUATION.
SO I THINK I DID NOT HEAR OBJECTION TO THAT.
SO I TOOK THAT AS, UH, AGREEMENT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE APPROACH.
REDIRECTING IT TO OTHER PROJECTS AND QUALIFIED.
WELL, ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD SAY NO, I WISH WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER MONKEY WRENCH IN THE WORKS IS GONNA HAVE RAMIFICATIONS FELT THROUGHOUT EVERYTHING FROM RIPPLE EFFECTS FROM THE CHANGING THE BONDS.
BUT, SO I WOULD RATHER NOT DO IT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND AGAIN, UH, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
BUT WAS THERE ANY, WAS THERE SOMETHING, ANDY IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS A CHANGE ORDER, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK OUT WITH THE DIRECTION.
SO, SO BETWEEN NOW AND THE JANUARY RETREAT, WE WILL PLAN TO WORK ON IDENTIFYING KIND OF THE CONSULTANT TEAM AND THE APPROACH TO THE REEVALUATION AND THAT THAT STUDY WORK, THE CHANGE ORDERED FOR THE EXCAVATION OF THE SITE TO CREATE A TEMPORARY LOT.
AND THEN THE OTHER SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING THE SIDEWALK AND THE CROSSWALKS ON FOREST ROAD AND, AND COME WITH SORT OF A PACKAGE OF, OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW WE THINK THAT WOULD WORK AND THE TIMING FOR
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ALL OF THOSE THINGS.WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU IN JANUARY, I WOULD JUST SAY I LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU AND YOU'D MENTIONED, DO I BID IT OUT TO A SEPARATE BID AND IS IT CHEAPER TO GO THAT WAY THEN? SO I'LL LET YOU ALL FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF KEEPING THOSE SAFETY THINGS.
I STILL THINK WE NEED THOSE OTHER CHANGES MADE REGARD OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE ISSUE.
WE WERE AT THREE AND NOW WE SHOULD BE MOVING 2, 4 4, RIGHT? SO THE UPDATE ON THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE RECENTLY ACTUALLY PUT IT OUT TO BID.
UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T GET ENOUGH CONTRACTORS TO SHOW UP AT OUR PREBI MEETING.
SO BID, UM, PHASE ON THIS IS GONNA PUSH OUT A BID.
ORIGINALLY WE WERE PLANNING TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER WITH A CONTRACT AWARD.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY AT THIS POINT IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THAT'LL BE PUSHED INTO DECEMBER BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO IS, IS PUSH OUT THE BID PERIOD AND ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL CONTRACTORS TO ENGAGE WITH THE BIDDING PROCESS.
HAVE YOU HAD THAT PROBLEM WITH OTHER CONTRACTS? UH, IT'S, WE, WE HAVE WITH SOME.
IT'S NOT THAT COMMON RIGHT NOW.
I WOULDN'T SAY NO, I WOULDN'T THINK SO EITHER.
SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHY IT YEAH, I, IT'S REALLY HARD.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OUR, UM, PATH FORWARD WILL BE IS TO REACH OUT TO NUMEROUS CONTRACTORS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR THAT PROJECT AND TRY TO FIND OUT WHY THEY WEREN'T ALREADY INVOLVED AND TRY TO GET THEM INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
THERE'S REALLY NO UPDATE ON THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS THE PORTAL TO BREWER CONNECTION.
IT'S PENDING THE FINAL DESIGN FOR THE BREWER RANGER, UH, INTERSECTION, WHICH IS ANOTHER SIM FIVE PROJECT COMING UP.
FOREST ROGUE CONNECTION CONSTRUCTION IN PROG, UH, PROCESS RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING THROUGH MULTIPLE UTILITY RELOCATIONS AND CONFLICTS AT THE MOMENT.
WE DO, UM, EXPECT THAT THAT'S GONNA GET RESOLVED HERE PRETTY QUICKLY AND IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WE SHOULD SEE SOME MAJOR EARTHWORK, UM, GOING ON OUT THERE ON THAT PROJECT.
NEW ANTICIPATED COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT IS NOVEMBER OF 2023.
THE FIVE SIM, UH, I'M SORRY, SIM SIM FIVE C LOS ABOGADOS TO BREWER CONNECTION PROJECT IS COMPLETE.
YOU CAN SEE A, A VIEW OF THAT COMPLETED PROJECT HERE.
AND, UH, WE ARE CON ACTUALLY AT THE MOMENT, UH, COUNTING, UM, TRAFFIC ON THAT, ON THAT SEGMENT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLETED DATA AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
ANDY, I, I WAS, UM, I WAS OVER THERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND DRIVE THROUGH THERE.
I WAS SURPRISED AT HOW CIRCUIT IT IT IS TO GET TO THE GATE IN LOS ABOGADOS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING OVER MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, SPEED HUMS AND IT, LIKE, YOU'RE REALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE AREA IS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, MOVE INTO THOSE PARTICULAR UNITS.
UM, SO AND THE GATE WAS LOCKED.
REALLY? THAT'S, WELL, IT WAS CLOSED.
I DIDN'T GET OUT TO SEE IF THE LOCK WAS ELECTRONIC.
YOU HAVE TO PULL UP TO THE SENSOR IN ITS ACCIDENT ONLY.
BUT, BUT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS PROJECT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DID EX UH, EXPLAIN THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A CONCERN AT ONE POINT THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND WE TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT NO, BASED ON THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, IT'LL ONLY BE A PORTION OF THE UNITS IN, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A REFLECTION OF THAT.
UM, MAYBE IT'S, I'M THE ONLY DUMB ONE, BUT IT, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE I WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND IF I GOT ANY CLOSER TO THAT.
THAT'S WHY WHEN IT WAS CLOSED, I THROUGH WHY WOULD THAT BE OPEN? I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS, IS THAT, YEAH, I DROVE THROUGH IT LIKE A WEEK AGO.
IS THERE A SIGN ON IT THAT I DIDN'T READ THAT SAYS DRIVE CLOSE AND IT, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATIC GATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I THINK DON'T, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA MOVE WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO IT.
MAYBE YOU CAN WORK THAT OUT LATER.
YEAH, WE DON'T WANNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TALKING.
I DO KNOW THOSE AREN'T RELEVANT, SO LOCALS, UH, OBVIOUSLY HAVE LEARNED IT.
I SAW SOMEBODY ZIP THROUGH THERE OKAY.
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AND AHEAD OF ME.AND IF THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM, WE'VE GOT WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
SO SIM FIVE D WE ACTUALLY HIT ON THIS EARLIER, BUT I JUST DID WANT TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE THE CONCEPT DESIGN FINALIZED AND ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, THE FULL DESIGN OF THAT.
AND AGAIN, THE PORTAL DE BREWER CONNECTION IS, IS WAITING ON THE FINALIZATION OF THIS DESIGN.
SO THOSE, THOSE WORK TOGETHER AND THAT TAKES US ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SIM 11.
SOME OF THE PROJECTS, OR SOME, I'M SORRY, SIM SOME OF THE STRATEGIES THAT I SKIPPED, UH, REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO UPDATE AT THIS TIME WITH SIM 11.
WE HAVE COMPLETED QUITE A FEW PROJECTS IN THIS AREA NOW.
AND, UH, ONE THING I WANTED TO CORRECT LAST NIGHT WE MENTIONED A, A LENGTH OF SHARED USE PATH THAT WE'VE COMPLETED.
IT'S ACTUALLY APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILES AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE DID VERY RECENTLY COMPLETE SEVERAL PROJECTS AND THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT ARE PENDING, UM, FINAL COMPLETION, BUT THEY'RE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE.
SO YOU'LL SEE SOME PHOTOS THERE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE RECENTLY COMPLETED.
WE DO HAVE PROJECTS I KNOW HERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT INCLUDE CHARGE USE PATHS LIKE FOREST ROAD, UH, NAVO TO DRY CREEK WAS JUST APPROVED LAST NIGHT.
AND PINION DRIVE IS ALSO, UM, UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND PROJECTS UNDER DESIGN CURRENTLY INCLUDE THE DRY CREEK ROAD.
THIS IS TWO FENCES TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT INCLUDES A SHARED USE PATH AS WELL.
AND WE DO HAVE A PROJECT IN PROCESS ON 1 79 THAT INCLUDES, UH, INSTALLING, SIGNING, AND STRIPING TO INDICATE THAT THE SHARED USE PATH ALONG THAT ROUTE, UH, IS IN FACT PART OF STEPS.
SO IT'S, UH, INDICATING MULTIMODAL ACCESS FOR THAT FACILITY.
UM, SORRY, ANDY, THE, THE DRY CREEK ROAD, UH, SHARED USE PATH, RIGHT.
IS THE IDEA THAT THAT IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY GO ALL THE WAY DOWN EVENTUALLY? YES.
UH, AND WHAT ARE THE CURRENT, UH, HANGUPS FOR COMPLETING THAT? UH, IT'S IN PROCESS AS FAR AS DESIGN RIGHT NOW, SO, OKAY.
I DON'T SEE ANY HANGUPS AT THE MOMENT, BUT AS FAR AS THE REASON WE'RE NOT GOING ALL THE WAY TO 89 A, IS THAT MORE OF YOUR QUESTION? WELL, EVEN, EVEN TO WHITE BEAR, I MEAN, BUT YES.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF AT SOME POINT YOU GET TO A SIDEWALK, RIGHT? IT GETS MORE AND MORE COMPLICATED YEAH.
THE LONGER WE TRY TO MAKE THE PROJECT.
AND SO WE FELT LIKE THE BETTER IDEA WAS TO STOP IT AT THUNDER MOUNTAIN FOR NOW AND PICK IT UP WITH ANOTHER PHASE, UM, LATER.
IN THAT AREA IN THERE DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S PRETTY NARROW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RIGHT.
BUT THE INTENT IS TO STILL DO THAT.
AND ACTUALLY I'M GONNA ASK KURT TO UPDATE US ON SEVEN 12.
UM, AGAIN, I'M KURT HARRIS, I'M THE ENGINEERING SUPERVISOR, AND, UH, AND YOU ASSIGNED ME THIS, UH, TRAVELING INFORMATION.
UH, THERE'S TWO PHASES TO THIS.
UM, THIS IS THE, UH, WE'RE GONNA PUT CAMERAS, UM, WITHIN THE CITY, UH, SPECIFICALLY AT TOLAC PAC.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS AT, UH, CREW, UH, COOK HILL.
AND THAT'S TO PROVIDE, UM, ANOTHER INFORMATION TO TRAVELERS AND VISITORS THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE CURRENT, UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION IS OR LACK OF.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, MID BLOCK IN UPTOWN AND TAUCK.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHERS.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE COST, HOW, HOW THEY'RE GONNA WORK AND ALL THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INTO THOSE DETAILS RIGHT NOW.
THE SCOPE, WE GOTTA WORK WITH THE SEDONA IT ON THAT.
AND THEN I THINK YOU HAVE THE OTHER SCREEN WITH THE, UH OH.
THEN THERE'S THE OTHER ONE IS THE DYNAMIC MESSAGE BOARD.
I'M PRESENTLY WORKING WITH ADOT AT CAMP VERDE AT GENERAL, UM, CROOK TRAIL ON THE NORTHBOUND TO ALLOW TRAVELERS MOTORISTS TO, UH, SEE TRAVEL TIMES TO, UH, THROUGH STATE ROUTE 1 79 VERSUS, UH, STATE ROUTE TWO 60 TO 89 A OH.
TO GIVE THEM THAT CHOICE BEFORE THEY GET TO 1 79 THAT THEY CAN EXIT TWO 60 AND GO THROUGH COTTONWOOD HERE.
SO, UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A KICKOFF MEETING WITH A O THE ATTENDING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
UM, WE DID HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE TO ASSIST ADOT TO EXPEDITE THIS.
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NO SHOWN INTEREST IN THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT I'M TRYING TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO MAKE THIS PROCESS SO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.IT'S ALSO IN, CONNECTED INTO THE DIGITAL HIGHWAY OF THE NEW, UM, DIGITAL, UH, GOING ALONG I 17, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THAT'S FIBER OPTIC.
FIBER OPTIC, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS TOO.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO PRESENT? NO.
SO, UH, THE LAST ITEM IS DISCUSSION.
POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE AND AGENDA.
WHAT ABOUT ROBERT? OH, I'M SORRY.
OH, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE TO GO.
WE ACTUALLY, YEAH, WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO GO.
WELL, SORRY, ROBERT, WE, WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE THAT WE CAN GIVE FOR TRANSIT IF, IF WE HAVE TIME FOR THAT.
WELL, WE HAVE TIME, BUT THE VICE MAYOR IS GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE LIKE NOW.
SO, UM, I ASSUME YOU'RE OKAY WITH CATCHING UP AFTERWARDS.
ROBERT, I ALMOST GOT OFF THE HOOK.
I NOTICED YOU DIDN'T SPEAK UP.
YES, WE CAN HAVE THAT UP ON THE WEBSITE.
WHERE'S OR BE THE CITY OF SEDONA.
MORNING, MADAM MAYOR COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING.
I DON'T HAVE MUCH BEYOND WHAT IS IN YOUR AGENDA, BILL.
UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.
UM, AS FAR AS RECENT DEVELOPMENTS WITH A DOT, HAD A VERY, HAD A COUPLE OF VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETINGS WITH A DOTS MULTIMODAL DIVISION.
UM, WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS 53, 39 FDA FEDERAL GRANT, WHICH WOULD, UH, FUND APPROXIMATELY $720,000 IN DESIGN FUNDS, UH, USING FEDERAL MONEY.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE GRANTS AWARD IN HAND, BUT I'VE GOT A VERY, UH, STRONG PROBABILITY THAT THAT GRANT IS GOING TO BE AWARDED.
SO, UM, THAT'S TAKEN A LOT OF TIME.
UM, BOTH KAREN AND JOANNE HAD TO ACTUALLY GET INVOLVED WITH THAT AT SOME POINT TO HELP MOVE THINGS ALONG.
SO THAT, THAT IS VERY EXCITING NEWS, I THINK FOR US.
UM, AS SOON AS I GET THAT GRANT AWARD, UM, WE'LL DO A BALLOON DROP OR SOMETHING.
UM, HOW WOULD, CAN YOU REMIND US, ROBERT, HOW MUCH THAT WAS FOR THE GRANT? THE FEDERAL, THE FEDERAL, THE FEDERAL SHARE, UM, WAS 720,000.
AND THEN THE, THE PRICE TAG ON DESIGN IS 1.3.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING 'EM ABOUT 54% MATCH, SO WE'RE GETTING 50 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S HAPPENING MUCH BETTER THAN NOTHING.
UH, SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, UH, WITH AN ADDITIONAL UPDATE.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF THAT GRANT IS AWARDED, UM, BETWEEN JUNE OF 2020 TO DATE, WE WILL HAVE BROUGHT IN 1.5 MILLION IN FEDERAL MONEY FOR TRANSIT.
AND WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.
SO, UM, MORE TO COME ON THAT THERE'S MORE MONEY OUT THERE, WE NEED TO GO AFTER IT AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA NEED IT OBVIOUSLY TO, TO BUILD THE SYSTEM OUT.
OTHER THAN THAT, UM, WHAT DO I HAVE HERE? YOU, I THOUGHT I'D SPARE YOU THE DASHBOARD TONIGHT.
UM, BASICALLY WE'RE, EVERYTHING'S ON TIME.
PERFORMANCE IS LOOKING GOOD, SAFETY'S LOOKING GOOD.
UM, WELL, I DON'T WANNA SAY ZERO, BUT, UH, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'VE HAD ONE PREVENTABLE COLLISION SINCE LAUNCH.
THEY TANGLED WITH A BOULDER UP THERE AT MECAL.
UM, THEY LOST, UH, BUT UH, THAT DRIVER'S BEEN PULLED, RETRAINED AND, UH, THE BUSES UNDER REPAIRS AND, UH, OUR CONTRACTORS ON THE HOOK FOR THAT.
UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, WE, THEY'VE TRANSPORTED AS OF SUNDAY, WE'RE JUST AT ABOUT, AT 150,000 PASSENGER BOARDINGS IN 222 DAYS, ALL SAFELY TRANSPORTED ON THE SYSTEM.
UM, WHAT I HAVE HERE IS JUST SHOWING YOU THE, THE SEASONAL VARIATION THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK THIS IS A SHOCK.
UH, THIS IS AVERAGE DAILY BOARDINGS BY MONTH.
AND YOU CAN SEE OUR SERVICE LAUNCH.
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WE, YOU KNOW, JUMPED OFF.WE STEPPED OFF AT A HIGH, HIGH PRODUCTIVITY, 2100 PER DAY ON AVERAGE.
AS WE MOVED INTO THE SUMMER MONTHS, WE HIT THE DECK AT UP JUST OVER 700 PER DAY, UM, MORE THAN I EXPECTED FOR THE SUMMER.
UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE MIDDLE OF MONSOON WITH TRIPLE DIGIT HEATS.
UM, LITTLE UPTAKE IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, WE SAW IMPROVEMENT AND THAT OCTOBER NUMBERS THROUGH LAST SUNDAY HAD ABOUT 1500 A DAY BACK.
LAST WEEKEND THEY DID OVER 6,200 BOARDINGS.
UM, SO I THROW THESE NUMBERS OUT THERE, LIKE 150,000 BOARDINGS AND 222 DAYS, AND I GET A LOT OF, WELL, IS THAT GOOD
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I, I DO HAVE, HOPEFULLY I INCLUDED IT HERE.
JUST A QUICK GRAPH TO MAYBE GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO CON TO, UH, COMPARE THIS TO WHAT I'VE PULLED UP HERE IS THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION, UH, DATABASE, UH, PUBLISHED MATRIX FOR THE, FOR 2018.
AND I GOT THESE WORKING THROUGH NACOG.
AND I REALLY LIKE THIS NUMBER FOR 2018 BECAUSE THIS WAS PRE PANDEMIC.
AND THIS SHOWS YOU HOW WELL ALL OF THESE RURAL TRANSIT SYSTEMS, THIS REPRESENTS EVERY RURAL TRANSIT SYSTEM IN ARIZONA.
THIS REPRESENTS THEIR RIDERSHIP FOR 2018.
THIS IS WHEN ALL THESE SYSTEMS WERE PERFORMING, UM, AT THEIR BEST.
THE PANDEMIC HIT, IT CUT RIDERSHIP BY 50% FOR MOST OF THESE PROVIDERS.
SO I WANTED TO GET A SNAPSHOT OF, HEY, HOW WERE, HOW WERE ALL THESE OTHER WORLD TRANSIT SYSTEMS OPERATING IN ARIZONA, YOU KNOW, IN, BACK IN THE HEYDAY, BACK IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS.
UH, CITY OF SOLO WAS THE, AND STILL IS CONSIDERED THE MOST SUCCESSFUL RURAL TRANSIT AGENCY, UM, IN THE STATE.
IF I PROJECT THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE BEEN, UH, RECORDING AT ABOUT 1200 LITTLE OVER 1200 PASSENGERS PER DAY, WERE WE'RE SCHEDULED, UM, TO PROVIDE SERVICE FOR FY 23 AT 220 DAYS.
THAT'S PUTTING US ABOUT 268,000 BOARDINGS OR SO.
THAT IS ABOUT A THREE, 235%, UH, INCREASE OVER ARIZONA'S MOST SUCCESSFUL RURAL TRANSIT AGENCY.
AND THAT'S JUST GETTING STARTED.
ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICKLY ON THAT.
UM, IS SOLO, IS THAT A TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT'S PUBLIC FOR PEOPLE TO CIRCULATORS? THAT'S NOT JUST THE TRAILHEADS.
THAT'S THE WHOLE, THE ENTIRE CITY FOR EVERYBODY.
SO THAT'S A, WE'RE EXCEEDING THAT WITH JUST A FEW DAYS AND, AND JUST A UNIQUE SET OF THAT VERSUS THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE CLEAR THAT YOU, YOU'VE REALLY ATTAINED A GREAT DEAL COMPARED TO, WELL, IF WE WERE DOING IT CITYWIDE ON THE CIRCULATION BASIS, WHERE YOU JUST GET ON AND OFF, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MUCH DIFFERENT.
UM, SO AS I THINK I'VE TOLD THIS COUNCIL BEFORE, YOU, EVERY PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM IS DIFFERENT.
IF YOU'VE SEEN ONE, YOU'VE SEEN ONE
UM, BUT THIS, THIS DOES PROVIDE SOME PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE UNIQUENESS OF SEDONA AND THE MAYOR SPOKE TO THIS EARLIER, UM, THAT WITH OUR VISITATION, THIS REALLY REPRESENTS THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION HERE, WHICH PROVIDES A VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY AS WELL TO GROW A VERY ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, MY JOB AS I SEE IT, IS TO, TO HELP GUIDE THAT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO HELP FUND IT.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE THAT CAN HELP US DO THAT.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
UH, FEEL FREE TO SPREAD THAT NEWS IF YOU GET PEOPLE GOING.
WELL, IS 150,000 GOOD IN 222 DAYS? AND HOPEFULLY I'VE ANSWERED THAT TONIGHT, UM, BY PROVIDING THAT COMPARISON.
UM, ROBERT, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHEN, WHEN DID THE TRAFFIC IN A PASSENGER LOAD START TO ARISE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE DOLDRUMS OF THE SUMMER? OH, WELL, WE'RE RIGHT.
STARTED IN, UH, SEPTEMBER AND NOW IN OCTOBER.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE MORE I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND LOOKED AT SOME OTHER MATRIX, AND IT KIND
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OF REMINDS ME OF, OF MONTEREY AS WELL.WE USED TO COMPARE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS WITH AQUARIUM ATTENDANCE AND HOTEL OCCUPANCY.
AND WE USED TO SEE THE EXACT, WE COULD, WE COULD LAYER EACH OF THOSE MATRIX ON THE SAME GRAPH.
AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE SAME THING HERE ALONG WITH YOUR BED TAX, YOUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY, YOUR SALES TAX AND YOUR, YOUR RIDERSHIP.
UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GO, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THOSE TWO MONTHS? YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU SHUT IT DOWN IN JULY AND AUGUST? UM, IT TOOK US SIX MONTHS TO RAMP UP JUST TO, TO, TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, SERVICE GOING.
AND THIS IS A SMALL SERVICE, LET'S FACE IT.
FOUR, FOUR ROUTES WITH FIVE BUSES.
UM, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT PUBLIC TRANSIT, LIKE A PUBLIC UTILITY, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA RUN IT, YOU DO IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU TURN ON YOUR WATER, DO YOU EXPECT WATER TO COME OUT? OR IF YOU TURN ON YOUR ELECTRICAL SWITCH, DO YOU EXPECT THE LIGHTS TO COME ON? IF YOU PUBLISH, PUBLISH THAT YOU PROVIDE PUBLIC TRANSIT AND HERE'S THE SCHEDULE THAT BUS BETTER BE THERE.
AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS, THESE VARIATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN EVERY SYSTEM.
SO, BUT, UM, IS THAT NUMBER GOOD? GOOD.
YEAH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE LINE 11.
WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE UPTICK SINCE WE DROPPED SOME BOULDERS UP THERE, UH, ON DRY CREEK UP TO THE CITY LIMITS.
SO A LITTLE UPTICK WHO'S ENCOURAGING, UH, THE WEEKEND AFTER WE DID THAT.
UM, BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO AND, AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL KNOWS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR BROWSER THAT WE LIKE TO CALL IT.
UM, ROBERT, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT SPECIFICALLY? SURE.
WHEN THE, UH, PARKING LOT BY THE HIGH SCHOOL IS COMPLETED, UH, I THINK THE INTENTION IS TO PUT THE, THE DRY CREEK RUNS FROM THERE.
AND WOULD YOU PREDICT THAT? THAT'LL BE AN UPTICK TOO, BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER TO THE DESTINATION AND I THINK, I THINK IT'LL HELP, BUT, BUT I'M ENCOURAGING THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE COUNTY TO CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS GETTING THE REST OF DRY CREEK, UM, GET THOSE PARKING RESTRICTIONS AND FOR THE REST OF DRY CREEK AND UNINCORPORATED, UH, UH, THE COUNTY AREA, UH, IN TIME FOR SPRING BREAK.
WELL, AS AN ADDED INCENTIVE, YOU KNOW, I, I, I UNDERSTOOD FROM KAREN THAT THAT WAS ON STILL ON SCHEDULE TO HAPPEN.
IT IS STILL ON SCHEDULE AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP THEM THAT WAY.
BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT'S GONNA MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S DISCUSSION TOO ABOUT A FUTURE PHASE, YOU KNOW, UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, NOW MY, MY MIND'S GOING BEAR MOUNTAIN.
WHAT'S THE, THE, THE, UH, BOYNTON ROAD? BOYTON CANYON.
BOYTON CANYON ROAD UP TO BOYNTON, PAST CANYON.
UM, UM, IF, IF WE GET EXCITED AND START DOING THAT KIND OF THING, CUZ THERE'S STILL SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES OUT THERE WITH PEOPLE HIKING ALL OVER THOSE ROADWAYS, UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BUS ON THIS LINE.
UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO HANDLE THAT, TO HANDLE THAT VOLUME.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW IN THE SECOND PHASE, I'LL CALL IT, WHERE WOULD IT STOP? YEAH, THAT I DON'T, THAT I DON'T KNOW COUNSELOR.
I, I WOULD IMAGINE, UM, PROBABLY ANY ONE OF YOU COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT BETTER THAN I, BUT SOME, SOME WERE PROBABLY UP TO, UM, THE BOYINGTON CANYON TRAILHEAD, YOU KNOW, THE REAL KEY IS, IN MY MIND ANYWAYS, TO, TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO, TO CLOSE THESE LITTLE TINY PARKING LOTS BECAUSE MM-HMM.
IF I THINK THERE'S A PARKING SPACE UP THERE, I'M GONNA GO UP THERE AND TRY TO AGAIN MM-HMM.
THAT'S LIKE, IF THERE'S JUST ONE, I'M GONNA GO AFTER IT.
SO I, I THINK THAT PSYCHOLOGY HAS PAID OFF VERY WELL WITH CATHEDRAL AND UM, UH, SOLDIERS PASS, UH, WHICH IS JUST GOT RIDICULOUS PRODUCTIVITY.
IT, I HAVE TO LOOK IT UP, IT'S MM-HMM.
YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT EVERYBODY IN AMERICA'S ALREADY BEEN THERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE YOU THINK MIGHT 68 PASSENGERS PER HOUR ON THE 14? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT.
THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING THAT DON'T WAIT TILL THE SHUTTLE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER BEYOND THAT THAT YEAH.
THAT ARE, THERE'S ACTIVITY FOR A LOW AREA IS INCREASINGLY HIGH.
IT, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
WHEN, WHEN I TALK TO NACOG, I HAVE, I'M GONNA BE TALKING TO, UM, FLAG STAFFS TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THEY WANT, THEY WANNA SEE THESE NUMBERS CUZ I CAN'T BELIEVE THEM.
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WELL THE 14 HAS A GOVERNOR ON IT, RIGHT? CUZ WE CAN ONLY TRANSPORT SO MANY PASSENGERS PER DAY ON A DAILY QUOTA BECAUSE OF OUR US FOREST PERMIT.IF WE PULLED THAT GOVERNOR OFF AND THAT WE DID 15 MINUTE HEADWAY UP THERE, YOU KNOW, BOOM.
SO ANYWAY, GOOD NEWS ON THAT FRONT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE TRAIL HEAD SHUTTLES, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, WELL, ROBERT, THIS HASN'T DONE A THING TO HELP TRAFFIC.
WELL, THEY WEREN'T DEPLOYED REALLY TO HELP TRAFFIC.
THEY HAD A SPECIFIC OBJECTIVE WAS TO WHO TO DEAL THESE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES AND RETURN SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TO SOME SEMBLANCE OF NORMALCY.
AND I THINK THEY DID THAT AND THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED TO DO, NOT TO LESSEN TRAFFIC AT THE WHY NOT TO LESSEN TRAFFIC AND UPTOWN, BUT THEY WERE, THEY WERE DEPLOYED AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITIZENS, IF I RECALL.
UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT, FOR THOSE OBJECTIVES.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, DRY CREEK MAYBE A BIT OF A BRIDGE TOO FAR, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
BUT, UH, THAT'S DEVIL'S BRIDGE,
I THINK THIS, I THINK THIS MODEL HAS PROVEN ITSELF THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, PARTICULARLY WITH THE CATHEDRAL AND, AND DRY CREEK, NOW WE'VE JUST GOTTA BUILD THE REST OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, WHICH I'LL MOVE ON REAL QUICK.
CAN I RAISE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SHUTTLE SYSTEM WHILE WE'RE ON IT? YOU AND I CAN, I, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT AND I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL, UM, WHEN I WAS IN MAMMOTH, DOGS WERE ALLOWED ON THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES WITH MUZZLES.
AND FOR THESE TOO, SO THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HIKE WITH THEIR DOGS, A LOT OF, UM, RESIDENTS HAVE DOGS.
UM, THAT, SO I WOULD, IT SEEMED TO WORK PRETTY WELL AS LONG AS EVERY DOG HAD A MUZZLE, UM, AND A LEASH.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL BE AMENABLE TO THAT CHANGE.
I WOULD SUPPORT LOOKING INTO THAT CHANGE FOR ROBERT TO MAYBE BRING US BACK INFORMATION OF WHO DOES USE THAT, WHO DOESN'T, WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN ANY DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS VERSUS THE LACK.
IF WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, THEN I THINK WE COULD MAKE A DECISION.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S, IT'S NECESSARY.
YOU KNOW, THE, WE WE INITIALLY DEPLOYED, I'M SORRY, WOULDN'T WHEN WE INITIALLY DEPLOYED, WE PUT THE POLICY OUT THERE THAT PETS NOT SERVICE ANIMALS NEEDED TO BE IN CARRIERS.
IF THERE'S ISSUES, WE COULD STOP IT.
I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ISSUES WITH, WITH NON-SERVICE ANIMAL PETS THAT ARE NOT CONTAINED OR RESTRAINED ON THE BUS.
ONE, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT, IS THE POTENTIAL FOR INJURY TO OTHER PASSENGERS OR INCIDENTS, OTHER DOGS I'VE SEEN WHERE, UM, THE IMPOSTER DOG WILL CALL IT, UH, ATTACKED AN ACTUAL SERVICE ANIMAL AND INJURED IT.
AND SO YOU HAVE THOSE ISSUES TO CONCERN.
SO DO YOU THINK IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN, DO YOU THINK? NO, I WAS GONNA SAY WITH A MUZZLE YEAH.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE, YOU KNOW, UH, MITIGATING STEP THAT MIGHT PREVENT, DOES, DOES THAT NOT PUT YOU IN A, YOUR DRIVERS IN THE POSITION THOUGH, OF SAYING, OH, YOU DON'T HAVE A MUZZLE, YOU CAN'T COME ON.
BECAUSE I GET THE FEELING THAT MOST, MOST OF THE DOGS THAT I SEE AT THE TRAILHEADS DON'T HAVE MUSCLES.
AND PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA HAVE 'EM IN THEIR CARS.
GENERALLY AT THAT TIME, AND I HAVEN'T, MOST OF THE HIKERS I'VE SEEN, LIKE AT THE SOLDIERS PAST TRAILHEAD STUFF THAT WALK UP TO GET ON THE BUS, NOBODY'S GOT DOGS IN THEIR VEHICLES.
THIS HASN'T REALLY BEEN A PROBLEM.
WE MAYBE SOLVING A PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.
AND THAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME UP TO THAT DOGS ARE USUALLY LOCALS THAT JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH OR PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN CARS THAT JUST WANNA LOOK OUT.
I'M CONCERNED IT'LL TANGLE UP PEOPLE AND TRIP 'EM UP AND JUST CAUSE A PROBLEM.
AND HERE'S ANOTHER LENS ON THAT.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS MUZZLES OR SAYS CARRIERS AND ALL THAT, AND KEEP IN MIND WE'RE SUBCONTRACTING THIS SERVICE AND OUR CONTRACTOR DOESN'T ENFORCE IT, AND THERE'S AN INJURY ON BOARD AND WE'RE STILL LIABLE, BUT YOUR CONTRACTOR, BUT THE CONTRACTOR ALREADY HAS TO SAY, IF SOMEBODY COMES AND THEY'RE NOT IN A PET CARRIER, THEY'RE TURNING THEM AWAY.
MY POINT WAS GONNA BE THAT YEAH.
IF THEY DON'T ENFORCE THE CITY'S POLICIES UNDER CONTRACT AND THEY'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THE FIRST 10 MILLION, RIGHT.
AND I GET UP THERE AND I SAY, OH, I'D LIKE TO BRING ON BOARD MY DOG.
AND YOU SAY, OKAY, PUT IN A CARRIER AND I GO, IT'S A LABRADOR RETRIEVER
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IS WE WHAT'S TALKING ABOUT A CARRIER? YEAH, WE'RE TALKING, I'M JUST A MUZZLE.
IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY ON IT, I JUST THINK IT'S MORE USER FRIENDLY, BUT YEAH, MAYBE WE COULD USE IT ON DRY CREEK.
IT WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, I LIKE ROBERT'S IDEA OF, OF HAVING MUZZLES THAT BASICALLY SETSS DONUT SHUTTLE AND WE'LL SELL, WE'LL SELL THEM, WE'LL SELL THE MUZZLES.
NOT TO RESTRICT THEIR USE TO DOGS
IF WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY AND SOMEONE GETS INJURED BECAUSE OUR CONTRACTOR DIDN'T, WELL ENFORCE IT.
IT WOULD BE IF THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T ENFORCE THE POLICY TO BE THE LIABILITY TO BE ON THE CONTRACTOR.
THIS CHANGE, I COULD SEE IT, IT WOULD CERTAINLY INCREASE THE LIABILITY, BUT WOULD IT MAKE IT UNACCEPTABLE? THE RISK, YOU KNOW, WITH MUZZLES AND LEASHES? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, I DON'T THINK ROBERT ALSO MENTIONED THAT JUST HAVING 'EM OUTSIDE OF A CRATE INCREASES THE RISK OF, UH, ACCIDENTS.
UH, NOT, UH, LIKE PEEING OR POOPING ON THE BUS ALSO.
THAT'S WHY THESE POLICIES ARE IN PLACE.
EXCEPT WE CANNOT PUT THEM IN FOR SERVICE ANIMALS.
THAT, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION UNDER FEDERAL FTA.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN INCIDENTS IN THE INDUSTRY WHERE THE IMPOSTER DOG GOT ON, UH, IN NEW YORK CITY, A LITTLE GIRL WAS ALMOST KILLED, UH, BUT IN CRITICAL CONDITION, YOU KNOW, THE DOG WENT RIGHT FOR HER THROAT.
I MEAN THESE, THERE WAS NOT A MUZZLE REQUIREMENT.
WHO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR POLICY WAS, BUT, BUT THE DRIVER DIDN'T ENFORCE IT.
IF THE, IF LIKE WE HAD MY RECOMMENDATION, WE NEED TO HAVE WRITTEN POLICIES ON THESE THINGS FOR THE REASONS THAT KURT JUST MENTIONED.
CAUSE I'M VERY, I'M VERY CLEAR WITH THE CONTRACTOR, THESE ARE THE POLICIES, THESE ARE WHAT YOUR PERSONNEL NEED TO ENFORCE.
SO, AND I'VE SEEN THOSE GOLDENS DRIVING THOSE SUBARUS AND I DON'T TRUST THEM.
SO MY SENSE IS NOBODY'S EXCITED ABOUT MAKING THIS CHANGE.
I WOULD SUPPORT IT BASED ON ITS POLICY AND IT'S ENFORCEABLE AND IT WILL BE ENFORCED.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO A PILOT.
WELL I THINK WE NEED TO AGENDA SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
KURT, COULD YOU SAY SO KURT, I MEAN IT'S REASONABLY RELATED TO THE, UH, IT'S RELATED TO TRANSIT.
SO YEAH, IF I CAN TAKE THE DIRECTION, I'LL CHANGE THE POLICY WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
SO WE DO HAVE IT ON THE WEBSITE, BURIED THERE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, UM,
UM, IF, IF I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA EXPOSE THE CITY TO SOME HORRIFIC LIABILITY, YOU'D BE HEARING FROM ME TONIGHT.
I'M JUST RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE THE, A POLICY TO HELP PROTECT US.
I THINK IT WOULD COME UP MORE ON THE MICRO TRANSIT ISSUE THAN IT WOULD ON THE SHUTTLE HEADS.
WELL, THE ISSUE BEFORE US NOW IS SHUTTLE HEADS IS THE SHUTTLE.
SO THREE OF US SAID WE SUPPORT IT AND THE OTHER THREE HAVEN'T CHIMED IN.
CAN WE COME TO SOME SORT OF CLOSURE ON THIS? IT'S, YOU WANT ONE? SO IT'S ONE AGAIN, IF I MAY REAL QUICK, THIS POLICY CHANGE WOULD BE ON ALL MODES, WHICH IS SPINE.
DO WE HAVE A LAKE AROUND HERE? SO NO PROBLEMS. SO I'LL TAKE, I CAN TAKE THAT AS DIRECTION, KURT, AND JUST, WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE CENSUS HERE ONCE I GET IT.
WELL HOW DO YOU WANNA MEASURE THIS MAYOR? WELL, I HEARD THREE THAT WERE IN FAVOR.
SHE'S NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE, BUT I WOULD LIKE, I MEAN, I REALLY WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A PILOT ON THE SHUTTLES BE TO SEE.
AND IF IT DOES CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THEN IS SORT OF REASONABLY EXPECTED FROM IN, IN WEIGHING IT, THEN I THINK I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO GIVE IT UP BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO THE REST OF OUR TRANSIT PROGRAM.
WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS MAYBE JUST DO THIS, CHANGE THE POLICY, REVISIT IT.
I MEAN, THIS COUNCIL CAN CHANGE POLICY ON ITS TRANSIT SYSTEM AT WHEREVER YOU WANT.
AS LONG AS THERE'S NO FEDERAL FRICTION, IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO TAKE AWAY MORE THAN IT IS TO GIVE.
THE MUZZLE AND LEASH OR A CARRIER.
I MEAN IF THEY'RE IN A CARRIER, DO IT THAT WAY.
I DON'T WANNA, PEOPLE COMING WITH A CARRIER AND DON'T HAVE A MU AND LEASH NOW THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, SO CARRIER
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OR MUZZLE AND LEASH.WELL, I WOULD THINK THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A, ONCE THEY'RE OFF THE SHUTTLE AND ONTO THE TRAIL WITH PEOPLE YOU NEVER KNOW.
WELL, MOST OF OUR TRAILS REQUIRE LEASH TO THEM TO BE UNLEASH BLACKED.
WELL, COUNSEL, WELL THIS IS WHY I DON'T LIKE IT IS CORRECTLY.
SO IT'S NOT HEAVILY ENFORCED WITH THE DRIVERS AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, IT'S GONNA BE ON MB AND I'VE REMINDED THEM OF THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
YOU SAID 260, YOU KIND OF EXTRAPOLATED 260,000 MAYBE RIDER SHIPS OR WAS TWO 80 OR SOME NUMBER THERE ABOUT, UH, FOR THE FULL YEAR? WAS THAT WHAT, UM, YOUR ESTIMATE WAS? YEAH, UP THERE, 200 AND JUST BASED ON DAILY AVERAGES SINCE WE LAUNCHED.
I'M NOT HOLDING YOU TO IT, I'M JUST TRYING TO, IN MY HEAD, DO A QUICK TWO TO 68,000.
SO IF YOU'RE AT 4 MILLION, LOOKS LIKE, BASED UPON HOW THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR LOOKS, $4 MILLION FOR TRANSIT SYSTEM, UH, BUDGETED, UM, IT'S ABOUT A $15 PER RIDERSHIP.
IF WE WERE TO HAVE IT PAID FOR ITSELF, UH, IT, BUT THAT NUMBER I GAVE YOU WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE MICRO TRANSIT.
SO, BUT THEY WOULD INCLUDE EXTRA COSTS FOR THE BUSES AS WELL, RIGHT.
SO YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE CAPITAL EXPENSES AND THEN WE OFFSET THAT WITH ANY FEDERAL MONEY WE CAN BRING IN.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER IN YOUR HEAD OF WHAT YOU THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE TO MAKE IT SELF-SUFFICIENT DOWN THE ROAD IS A ROUGH ESTIMATE.
UM, I'VE NEVER RUN ACROSS A PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT'S BEEN SELF-SUFFICIENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER THAT.
THEY'RE ALL HEAVILY, THEY'RE ALL HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED.
WITH BOTH FEDERAL AND LOCAL AND STATE DOLLARS.
AS IS BARRED, AS IS EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC TRANSIT SERVICE THAT, THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH.
CAN WE MOVE ON NOW? THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR TRANSIT.
ANDY, IS THAT, IS THAT, THANK YOU ROBERT.
THAT'S, AND THANKS TO KURT AND UH, ANDREW AS WELL FOR SITTING THROUGH THIS WHOLE SESSION.
SO THE ONLY OTHER ITEM IS DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETINGS AND AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT.
THEN WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'RE ADJOURNED.