* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GOOD AFTERNOON. [1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL] I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS THE CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IT'S TUESDAY, OCTOBER 18TH, 4:30 PM AND I'LL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICES ROLL CALL PLEASE. CHAIR 11 HERE. VICE CHAIR SINI. HERE. COMMISSIONER ZAKS. HERE. COMMISSIONER WHEEL IS EXCUSED. COMMISSIONER BRAUM HERE. COMMISSIONER FURMAN HERE. AND COMMISSIONER GSKI IS EXCUSED. THANK YOU. UH, WE'LL GO ON [2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF] TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF COMMISSIONERS IN THE ANNOUNCEMENTS UP HERE. JUST A QUICK ONE FOR ME. GO AHEAD. UM, AND THE SEPTEMBER I ATTENDED THE STATE OF THE VERDE WATERSHED. IT, IT WAS DOWN IN, UH, CAMP VERDE. UM, VERY GOOD CONFERENCE TALKING ABOUT WATER QUALITY, WATER QUANTITY, UH, AND IS EVERYONE KNOWS HERE THAT OAK CREEK IS PART OF THE VERDE VALLEY WATERSHED. SO IT WAS A VERY GOOD CONFERENCE AND I WAS TO IT IN 2019. THEN WE HAD THE PANDEMIC, AND THEN IT HAPPENED AGAIN IN 2022. SO HOPEFULLY NEXT TIME IT HAPPENS, PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE MORE REPRESENTATION FROM SEDONA OTHER THAN JUST ME. SO, UM, IT WAS VERY GOOD CONFERENCE AND JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW. AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO READ THE STATE OF THE VERDE REPORT CARD, I HAVE A COPY OF IT HERE. THANK YOU, GEORGE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TAKE FIRST PLACE ON THAT? YEAH. UH, JUST WANTED TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN CANDIDATES FOR THE VACANCIES ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND INTERVIEWS HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER. AND, UH, CALLIE, OUR, UM, COMMISSIONER HAS, UH, OFFICIALLY GONE ON MATERNITY LEAVE AS OF YESTERDAY. AND, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE GONNA SURPRISE HER WITH A SHOWER, BUT SHE FELT IT WAS BETTER TO STAY AT HOME. AND I, I JUST WANTED FOR YOUR BENEFIT, AND, AND IF CALLIE IS WATCHING FOR HER BENEFIT TO, UM, AND FOR SARAH AS WELL, WHO HELPED PLAN THIS EVENT ALONG WITH CHARLOTTE TO SEE THAT WE, WE HAD HOPED TO PUT THIS HONOR BECAUSE SHE HAS THE UNIQUE DESIGN, UH, DISTINCTION OF BEING THE FIRST EVER EXPECTANT MOM ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION . SO I WILL DELIVER THIS TO HER AFTER THE MEETING. WE HAVE, UM, PURCHASED A NUMBER OF, UM, BABY GIFTS THAT WERE, WERE ON HER REGISTRY, AND I KNOW WE ALL, I KNOW YOU WANNA JOIN ME IN WISHING HER WELL AND HOPING THAT SHE'LL RETURN TO US WHEN SHE'S READY TO DO SO. SO, UM, THOSE THAT ENDS MY ANNOUNCEMENTS, WE'LL MOVE ON. ON WAIT. CHAIR. YES, WE HAVE ONE AS STAFF AS YOU MIGHT NOTICE OVER AT THE TABLE OVER HERE. THANK YOU, CARRIE. WE HAVE A, A NEW FACE TO THIS BODY. UM, STEVE MES HAS BEEN OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR FIVE PLUS YEARS. FIVE YEARS. UM, AND HE HAS RECENTLY TAKEN ON THE TASK OF BEING OUR ACTING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. SO YOU'LL SEE HIM AROUND HERE A LITTLE BIT MORE. HE IS JUMPING IN AND LEARNING AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN ACCEPTED THIS IF IT WASN'T FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I GET TO WORK WITH. SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M HERE TO LISTEN AND LEARN TODAY, HOPEFULLY. NO QUESTIONS MY WAY. , WELCOME STEVE IN YOUR NEW CAPACITY. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU LIKE GUYS. ANYTHING ELSE, CARRIE? NOPE. OKAY. UH, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM [3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES:] NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY, UH, CORRECTIONS TO EITHER THE SEPTEMBER 6TH OR OH REGULAR AND SITE VISITS MEETING SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2022? SEEING NO CHANGES, WE WILL, UH, ASSUME WE WILL ACCEPT THESE AS ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION. AND MOVE ON TO NUMBER [00:05:01] FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT ARS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H. ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE. ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS THAT WISH TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR? I HAVE NO CARDS, SO I WILL CLOSE THAT ITEM. MOVE ON TO [5. Update/discussion regarding the Community Plan Update.] AGENDA NUMBER FIVE, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. YES, AND JOSH IS HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON THAT. I, UM, SO THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED THIS WAS BEFORE OUR COMMUNITY FORUM ON SEPTEMBER 7TH. SO I'M GONNA JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER, UM, COMMUNITY FORUM EVENTS, UH, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT AND UPCOMING COMMUNITY OUTREACH. SO, AS YOU KNOW, AND MANY OF THEM ATTENDED, THE COMMUNITY FORUM WENT REALLY WELL. UH, IT WAS WELL ATTENDED. THERE WAS OVER, PROBABLY OVER 350 PEOPLE. WOW. SO, UM, THAT WAS, THANKS FOR EVERYONE FOR COMING. UM, THE, THE FINALIST, THE NUMBER WASN'T ACCURATE BECAUSE PEOPLE STOPPED SIGNING IN CUZ WE RAN OUT OF PAPER. BUT IN ANY CASE, WE HAD, UH, THREE SPEAKERS, TOM BENNINGS, JOHN O'BRIEN, AND FRANCIS, DR. FRANCIS REEMER FROM NAU. AND THEY, THEY GAVE THE PRESENTATION IN THE AUDITORIUM, AS YOU KNOW. SO IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY BENEFICIAL TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE HAD, WE, WE DID OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY BACK IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, AND WE RECEIVED 590, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THIS ONE WE'VE RECEIVED 534 ROUGHLY, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE ATTENDEES OF THE EVENT. AND THAT WAS FOR FOCUSING ON SOLUTIONS, UH, HOUSING TRANSIT, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THE LIKE. WE ALSO HAD A, UH, A MAP WHERE PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO PLACE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES. SO JUST TO GET A BETTER PICTURE OF, OF WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THE CITY. SO, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE COMPILING ON THAT DATA TO GET A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IN THE NEXT COMMUNITY PLAN. AND IT REALLY DOES KIND OF JUST FOCUS ON GENERALLY FIVE AREAS, TRAFFIC, HOUSING, THE ENVIRONMENT, SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND AS WE ADD MORE AND MORE DATA TO THAT DATABASE, IT'LL KIND OF AVERAGE OUT. SO, BUT THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE, THE MAIN THEMES THAT WE'RE SEEING KIND OF OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S NOTHING NEW, BUT, UH, IT'S DEFINITELY WE'RE GETTING SOME GOOD FEEDBACK, SUBSTANTIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO FOR OUR UPCOMING COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE HAVE FOUR LISTENING LEARNING SESSIONS, UH, PLANNED FOR NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. CIRCULATION, ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, PARKS AND RECREATION. AND ONCE FOCUSED ON THE ENVIRONMENT AFTER THAT, IN THE NEW YEAR, WE'LL HAVE IN PERSON MEETINGS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD ON SEPTEMBER 7TH. THEY MIGHT BE AT THE SAME VENUE, BUT WE WANTED, WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME BACK IN PERSON, JUST LIKE THAT EVENT. UH, THE LAST THING IS THAT WE'LL BE UPDATING OUR EMAIL. UM, WE'LL BE EMAILING EVERYONE HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK THAT'S ON THE LIST, EITHER THROUGH OUR PLAN ON A WEBSITE OR THE CITY OF SEDONA WEBSITE. IF YOU'RE ON THE EMAILING LIST, YOU'LL GET AN UPDATE OF OUR CURRENT FINDINGS, SUMMARIES, AND THEN UPCOMING OPPORTUNITIES. SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, JOSH. I THINK A NUMBER OF US ON THE COMMISSION ATTENDED AND I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY WELL DONE. GREAT TURNOUT THE SPEAKERS. TOOK A, IN A DISTINCTIVE, UM, PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. AND, UH, LAID THE GROUNDWORK FOR THAT COMMUNITY MEETING. I JUST THOUGHT YOU ALL DID A FABULOUS JOB AND I'M SO GLAD THAT WE HAD THE KIND OF TURNOUT WE DID. SO THANK YOU TO YOU AND TO CYNTHIA AND ALL THE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS UP HERE? THANK YOU. COMMAND CHAIR. UH, I WOULD YEAH, ECHO THE KUDOS THAT YOU GAVE STAFF FOR THAT EVENT. IT WAS GREAT. I WANTED TO ALSO PILE ON THE KUDOS, SAYING THANK YOU FOR FINALLY POSTING THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN MEETINGS ON THE CITY CALENDAR ON THE HOMEPAGE. WONDERFUL STEP FORWARD. AND, UM, UH, GETTING AROUND NOW TO FINALLY REACHING OUT TO EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THREW THEIR HAT IN THE RING SO MANY MONTHS AGO TO [00:10:01] GET ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS. THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROCESS FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO TRULY ENGAGE IN. SO, THANK YOU CHARLOTTE. UM, ARE THE FOUR LISTENING SESSIONS GONNA BE TOTALLY VIRTUAL? YES, THEY'LL BE ONLINE, SO MORE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO ATTEND THOSE BECAUSE IT'S ON ONLINE. AND EVEN IF THEY'RE, IT'S NOVEMBER, DECEMBER OUT OF TOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR VACATION OR HOLIDAYS OR SOMETHING. BUT YEAH, THE FIRST FOUR ARE VIRTUAL AND THEN THE COMMUNITY FORUMS IN THE NEW YEAR WILL BE IN PERSON. GOOD. I'M GLAD THERE ARE IN, IN-PERSON ONES ALSO. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I LOST MY PLACE. OH, OKAY. . WE'LL CLOSE THAT ITEM. THANK YOU JOSH. [6A Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for a Preliminary Plat approval to subdivide approximately 6.5 acres into an 11-unit single family subdivision at 165 Golden Eagle Drive. The property is zoned Single Family Residential (RS-18) and is located south of W State Route 89A, south of Golden Eagle Drive and east of Carol Canyon Dr. Case Number: PZ20-00007 (SUB) Applicant: SEC, Inc.] UH, NUMBER SIX, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POP POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL TO SUBDIVIDE APPROXIMATELY 6.5 ACRES INTO AN 11 UNIT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION AT 1 65 GOLDEN EAGLE DRIVE. THE PROPERTY IS OWN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R IS 18 AND IS LOCATED SOUTH OF WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A SOUTH OF GOLDEN EAGLE DRIVE AND EAST OF CARROLL CANYON DRIVE. THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 27 SUBDIVISION. THE APPLICANT IS S E C INC. SO FOR THE, UH, BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE IN ANY OF ANY OF YOU THAT ARE INTERESTED IN, IN THIS AGENDA ITEM AND OR HAVE FILLED OUT A CARD, UH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW HOW, HOW THE COMMISSION WOULD BE HEARING THIS AND MAKING A DECISION IF THEY DO. THIS EVENING FIRST, UH, UH, STAFF WILL PRESENT AN OVERVIEW AND THEN THE APPLICANT, IF THEY WISH TO, MAY, UH, MAKE A SHORT PRESENTATION. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE, THE COMMISSION THEN WOULD ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE WOULD OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PERIOD. AND THAT'S WHEN IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK, FILL OUT A CARD AHEAD OF TIME AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DO SO. THEN WE CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC, UM, COMMENT, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE AGENDA ITEM COMES BACK TO THE CONS, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THE COMMISSION MISSION. SO, KERI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US OFF? YES, THANK YOU. UM, AS THE CHAIR SAID, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION FOR THE REFUGE AT SEDONA. UM, THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE PLAT, UM, IS PROPOSING, THE NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT, UM, ON THIS SCREEN. SO BEFORE WE KIND OF GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THIS PROJECT, IT'S, UM, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE THE SUB THE COMMISSION CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION. SO I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE PLOTTING PROCESS IS. UM, SO THE PLATING PROCESS IS WHEN YOU ARE SUBDIVIDING AND CREATING, UM, MORE THAN THREE LOTS FROM A, A SINGLE PIECE OF, YOU KNOW, SINGLE PIECE OF LAND. UM, AND IT GOES THROUGH AND THROUGH THE PLATING PROCESS. WE REVIEW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING, SUCH AS LOT SIZES, LOT WIDTHS, UM, AND THE, THE ROADS AND THE UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THAT, UM, MEETS OUR STANDARDS. SO THERE IS REVIEW PROCESS. OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS HEAVILY INVOLVED AS WELL AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT INFRASTRUCTURE LOOK LIKE, WHAT DO EASEMENTS LOOK LIKE? AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE GO THROUGH. UM, THERE'S KIND OF A, A COUPLE DIFFERENT STEPS. THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW IS REQUIRED FOR, FOR PROPERTIES OR FOR PLATS THAT ARE PROPOSING MORE THAN 10 LOTS. AND SO THIS, UM, SUBDIVISION DID GO THROUGH A CONCEPTUAL PLAT PROCESS BACK IN JANUARY OF 2021. UM, THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN, IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. AND DURING THIS PROCESS, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSIDERS THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, AND CITY COUNCIL EITHER APPROVES OR DENIES THAT PLOT. UM, FROM THERE, IF IT GETS APPROVED, THERE IS A, UM, A, A STEP CALLED A REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAT WHERE IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PLACED ON THE PLAT DURING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS, THE APPLICANT WOULD MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND STAFF WOULD REVIEW THAT TO SAY YES OR NO. THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS, WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS REQUIRED. AND THEN THE, THE FINAL, UM, PLAT IS THE, UM, FINAL, UM, DOCUMENT THAT ULTIMATELY ENDS UP GETTING RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY THAT CREATES THE, THE NEW LOTS. THE [00:15:01] FINAL PLAT IS A STAFF REVIEW AND A CITY COUNCIL ACTION. SO AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATION ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS THE LAST TIME THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD SEE A PLAT, A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, UNLESS THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO BRING IT BACK, UM, AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN. BUT AS LONG AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, THEIR CURRENT APPLICATION, THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NOT BE COMING BACK TO YOU AFTER THIS. UM, AND SO WITH THAT, UM, AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE PRELIMINARY, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCEDURE PROVIDES A MECHANISM FOR THE CITY TO REVOL VIEW THE OVERALL PLAN FOR PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AND TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE AND ADEQUATE PROVISION OF FACILITIES AND SERVICES IN THE CITY. AND THE COMMISSION DOES REVIEW THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIAL BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT'S IN THE CODE. SO THAT'S KINDA JUST THE OVERVIEW OF THE PLATTING PROCESS. AND SO WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT INTO WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS PROPOSING. AS ALWAYS, THE INFORMATION, YOUR PACKET IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE DETAILED THAN WHAT I TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ELABORATE ON ANYTHING, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO, UM, HERE AS WELL. SO THIS IS THE VAIN NEW MAP WITH THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION BEING IN THIS GREEN, UM, AT THE BOTTOM HERE. SO FOR ORIENTATION, THIS TO YOU HAVE OUT HERE YOU HAVE 89 A, UM, CITY HALL IS RIGHT UP HERE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER. UM, AND THEN AT THE CORNER OF, OF 89 A IS YOU HAVE THE, THE MORTUARY AND THE OIL CHANGE PLACE. SO YOU TURN, UM, ON THAT STREET AND KIND OF COME BACK INTO THIS SUBDIVISION OR, UM, INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO ACCESS POINT TO THIS SUBDIVISION. UM, THIS PROPERTY, THE ADDRESS IS 1 65 GOLDEN EAGLE DRIVE. THEY ARE PROPOSING AN 11 UNIT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION ON APPROXIMATELY 6.47 ACRES, WHICH WORKS OUT TO ABOUT 1.7 UNITS PER ACRE. UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY, UM, ARE BOTH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE COMMUNITY PLAN ALLOWS ZONINGS UP TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE, AND THAT IS WHAT THE RS 18 ZONE ALLOWS. UM, THE RS 18 ZONE REQUIRES AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF A HUNDRED FEET. UM, SO THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME SUBDIVISION, BUT THE DESIGN OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE NOT ACTUALLY PART OF THIS APPLICATION. THIS APPLICATION IS FOR SPLITTING THE LAND AND, YOU KNOW, INSTALLING THOSE, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. THE, UM, FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ACTUAL HOUSES WOULD BE REVIEWED THROUGH OUR BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT STAFF, STAFF GOES THROUGH FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT WHERE WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE HOMES FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THINGS LIKE SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS AND DESIGN. UM, SO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, I JUST HAVE THE COVER SHEET HERE. UM, IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY, UM, CITY STAFF AND THE PLAT AS PROPOSED AND AS, UM, THE CONDITIONS, UM, ARE, ARE PROPOSED IN YOUR PACKET, UM, WAS FOUND TO BE IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UM, CODE REQUIREMENTS. THERE ARE A COUPLE EXCEPTIONS THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR THOSE BEING THE, THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION IS ABOUT 24.3 FEET, AND THAT'S IN THIS AREA HERE. SO AGAIN, NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT. SO IF YOU THINK OF IT KIND OF JUST TURNED ON ITS SIDE, UM, THAT THE PROPERTY IN THAT AREA IS ONLY 24.3 FEET WIDE. AND SO THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO MEET THOSE MINIMUM, UM, WIDTHS OF THE FOR EASEMENTS. AND THEN, BUT ONCE THAT PROPERTY DOES, UM, OPEN UP THE, THE EASEMENT WIDTH GETS UP TO THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, UH, EXCUSE ME. UM, THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING TO INSTALL A MULTI, A 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE PATH ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET RATHER THAN TWO FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET. UM, THIS, THE HILLSIDE SUBDIVISION OR HILLSIDE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS DOES SUPPORT THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT OR THAT OPTION, UM, AS IT CAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT JUST HAPPENED, IT'S DOING SO WELL, UM, AS INSTALLING THE PATH CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THE HILLSIDE CHALLENGES. AND I, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO BACK ON. THANK YOU. [00:20:02] SO AGAIN, THE, THOSE REQUESTS FOR EXCEPTIONS ARE OUTLINED IN YOUR PACKET. UM, AND YOU HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER THOSE MORE, MORE DETAIL IF NEEDED. UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS HOW THE SUBDIVISION FITS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OH, YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT, UM, SO THE SUBDIVISION IS THAT RS 18, I DON'T WHERE STEVE'S GONNA TRY. HE'S GONNA, HE'S GONNA BE MAGIC. UM, SO THE SUBDIVISION WITH THE RS 18 ZONING, THE, UM, PROPERTIES DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST OF IT ARE, HAVE THAT SAME RS 18 ZONING KIND OF TO THE NORTHEAST. YOU GET INTO SOME RS 10 ZONING, WHICH HAS, UM, A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE, SO A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. AND THEN THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST ARE RS 35, WHICH IS A 35,000 SQUARE FOOT. SO, UM, THOSE WOULD, OH, HERE WE GO. LOOK AT THAT. STEVE HAS MAGIC FINGERS. UM, SO, SO AGAIN, THE AREA IS KIND OF DIRECTLY TO THE EAST HERE AND THEN TO THE NORTH HAVE THAT SAME RS 18 ZONING. THESE AREAS OVER HERE, RS 35, WHICH REQUIRE A, A SLIGHTLY LARGER, OR I GUESS ABOUT DOUBLE THE SIZE LOT. AND THEN THE PROPERTIES KIND OF THAT YOU DRIVE THROUGH TO GET BACK TO THIS SUBDIVISION, HAVE RS 10 ZONING, BUT IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY IN THIS AREA. OH, ZOOMS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE. UM, SO THE SUBDIVISION IS, HAS A ONE ACCESS POINT AND IT'S BEING PROPOSED AS A PRIVATE ROAD. UM, THERE ARE SOME, UM, THE, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WOULD SAY UNLESS IT'S LEGALLY IMPOSSIBLE, THAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE DOUBLE ACCESS SUBDIVISIONS. UM, THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY POINT OF ACCESS THAT IS POSSIBLE FOR THIS SUBDIVISION. EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, AROUND IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEN TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE, UH, FOREST SERVICE. AND SO THERE'S NOT ANOTHER POINT WHERE THERE COULD BE ACCESS THERE. UM, AGAIN, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE PROPOSING A PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY WITH THAT FIRST 150 FEET BEING JUST THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH THAT AREA. UM, THERE ARE 11 LOTS. UM, THE, THE ROAD GOES THROUGH KIND OF JUST DOWN THE MIDDLE WITH FIVE LOTS ON ONE SIDE, SIX LOTS ON THE OTHER. UM, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATH IN LIEU OF THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS. AND THEY ARE, UM, SHOWING ON THE PLA UH, THAT THE, UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE MAINTAINING THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE FOREST LAND TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROJECT. AND THAT WOULD BE THROUGH A PEDESTRIAN EASEMENT. UM, SO THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT WE USE ARE THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS AND ARTICLE SEVEN, WHICH TALK ABOUT LOT PLANNING, HOW TO, UM, PLAN ON SENSITIVE LANDS LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION EASEMENT PLANNING. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE FINDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 8.5. UM, AND AGAIN, THERE'S A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THOSE SECTIONS IN YOUR PACKET. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS ON. AND AGAIN, WHAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS REVIEW IS, IS, IS, UM, THE REVIEW OF THE ACTUAL HOMES THAT WOULD BE BUILT. THOSE WOULD BE REVIEWED IN THE FUTURE ON A LOT BY LOT BASIS AT A STAFF LEVEL, UNLESS THEY'RE REQUESTING SOME KIND OF OTHER EXCEPTION, LIKE A VARIANCE. UM, SO WE DID ROUTE THIS TO ALL OF OUR REVIEW AGENCIES, UM, AND DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM, UM, WELL, MYSELF AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ALONG WITH THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AND THIS IS ON A FIRE DISTRICT. ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS HAVE EITHER BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE RESUB SUBMITTALS AND REDESIGN OF SOME OF THE SUBDIVISIONS, OR THEY ARE INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD, WILL BE REVIEWED FOR IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD. UM, PUBLIC INPUT, THE APPLICANT DID, UM, COMPLETE THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PROCESS AND PROVIDED, UM, THAT REPORT WAS PROVIDED WITH YOUR PACKET, UM, WE DID ALL OF OUR STANDARD NOTICING AND ALL COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION. I BELIEVE YOU WERE EMAILED THE LAST GROUP OF THEM THIS AFTERNOON, AND I THINK CAT PRINTED OFF THOSE. AND, UM, A COUPLE OTHERS THAT CAME IN AFTER WE SENT OUT THAT EMAIL. UM, WE DID JUST WANNA, UM, POINT OUT THAT EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS THERE WOULD, AND DURING THE CONCEPTUAL PLOT, SO IF YOU RUN THE COMMISSION IN THAT TIME, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, UM, WHICH WOULD HAVE TAKEN, UM, USED SOME OF THE ALLOWANCES IN THE CODE TO, TO, UM, MAYBE NOT MEET THE MINIMUM LOTS, UM, SIZES AND WIDTHS. BUT TO MEET THAT MINIMUM DENSITY AND RESERVE AND LAND FOR PUBLIC USE, UM, THEY OPTED BASED ON PUBLIC FEEDBACK TO NOT GO DOWN THAT ROUTE. AND SO SOME OF THOSE EARLY COMMENTS, [00:25:01] UM, ABOUT THAT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION MAY NOT APPLY TO THE, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, BUT WE DID JUST INCLUDE EVERYTHING, UM, THAT WE HAD RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKET. MM-HMM. . UM, SO AGAIN, UM, THIS PROCESS ALLOWS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS FACILITATES THIS DETAILED PLANNING OF HOW SUBDIVISIONS GET LAID OUT. UM, THE COMMISSION IS TASKED WITH REVIEWING THE APPLICATION AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIAL BASED ON THE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THE CODE. AND BASED ON OUR REVIEW, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT OF THE PULMONARY PLAT. BUT, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THIS ONE. AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND STAFF IS AS WELL. THANK YOU. CARRIE. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? YOU CAN SIT HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE. OH, OKAY. I'M FINE. MADAME CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE SEDONA COMMISSION. UH, MY NAME IS TONY CULLUM, C U L L U M. I'M FROM FLAGSTAFF. UM, I'M A CERTIFIED, UH, REAL ESTATE SPECIALIST BY THE STATE BAR. BEEN HERE 40 YEARS AND OLD AND GROUCHY. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T. UM, BRIEFLY I WANT TO THANK CARRIE. UH, SHE AND STAFF DID A WONDERFUL JOB. UM, THE PRESENTATION I WAS GONNA MAKE WAS THE EXACT SAME PRESENTATION SHE'S JUST MADE. SO I'LL, BECAUSE I'M CHARGING I'LL TAKE A FEW MINUTES, BUT I WON'T TAKE A LOT OF YOUR TIME. UM, THE, UH, UM, WE AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH CARRIE'S STAFF REPORT AND THE STAFF STAFF REPORT. WE APPRECIATE HER HELP AND APPROVAL. UM, UH, WE AGREE WITH ALL OF HER RECOMMENDATIONS. WE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE STAFF HAS DONE. UM, I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY SMART. UH, I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT TOOK US TWO YEARS TO GET TO THAT POINT. AND THIS IS OUR THIRD SUBMITTAL. SO WE'RE, IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET TO THIS POINT. AT THIS POINT IN TIME. UH, WE BASICALLY MET ALL OF THE ITEMS, UH, UH, THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. ALL OF THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. WE'VE GOT APPROVAL FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, ADO, PUBLIC WORKS, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE WHOLE CREW. SO THE, THE, THE FIRST, UH, SUBMITTAL, AS CARRIE TALKED ABOUT WAS BASICALLY FOLLOWING THE, UM, THE, THE PLANS OF THE CITY, UM, WHI WHICH WAS MORE OF A CLUSTER TYPE OF PROJECT. WELL, IN DEALING WITH THE STAFF AND IN LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. NOBODY WANTED THAT, UH, THAT WASN'T GONNA WORK FOR THIS AREA. THIS HAD FOREST SERVICE BEHIND IT. IT HAD, IT HAD HOUSING AROUND IT. UH, THEY WERE ALL NON-CLUSTERED HOUSING. SO WE WENT TO A LARGER FORM OF HOUSING, UM, AND BASICALLY, UH, SET IT UP SO THAT WE COULD HAVE UNDER THE ZONE ZONING, WHICH WAS RS 18, WE COULD HAVE GONE DOWN TO 18 MINIMUM LOT SIZE. UM, AND, UH, BASED UPON THAT, UH, WE COULD HAVE HAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 15.7 TO 16 LOTS, WE WENT WITH 11. UH, WE OPENED IT UP A LITTLE MORE. UH, THE, UH, UH, WE WENT ABOVE THE COMMUNITY PLAN. THE COMMUNITY SET PLAN SAID WE COULD HAVE TWO, TWO UNITS PER ACRE. WE HAVE 1.7. UM, BASICALLY I, WE, IN DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS AREA, UH, WE HAVE, UH, REQUESTED THREE, UH, VARIANCES. AND I THINK, UH, CARRIE WENT OVER 'EM VERY WELL. I THINK WE'VE WORKED 'EM ALL OUT WITH STAFF AND, UH, EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKING WITH US, UH, LET ME TELL YOU BASICALLY WHO'S HERE. WE HAVE ILLA WITH US. HE'S THE OWNER. UH, WE HAVE KHAW WITH SCC, WE HAVE RICHARD WITH SCC. AND THIS IS ERIC FROM MY OFFICE WHO'S, WHO'S A, UH, ZONING SPECIALIST. SO BASICALLY, UM, AND PARTICULARLY WE HAVE KHAW. HE'S BEEN WITH THE PROJECT FROM DAY ONE. SO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US. THANK YOU, MR. COLE. I'LL BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR [00:30:01] QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR APPLICANT. GEORGE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I JUST HAVE ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS RIGHT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. UM, I GUESS AS, AS I LOOK AT THE PLAN, UM, AGAIN, MY CONCERNS ARE THE ENTRYWAY WITH THE 24 25 FOOT, UH, WITH, UH, FOR THE ENTRANCE ROAD AND OR SIDEWALKS, PATHWAYS, UH, ENTRANCE GATES AND SO FORTH COMING INTO THE SITE, IT'S, UH, VERY MUCH A PINCH POINT. AND, UM, I'M SURE THAT HOWEVER LONG YOU'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY, THAT YOU ALWAYS KNEW THAT YOU HAD A VERY TOUGH, UH, CONSTRICTION AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO I, I GUESS IT'S MAINLY AN OBSERVATION, UM, UH, WITHOUT SEEING DETAIL PLANS, IT'S HARD TO ENVISION EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THERE. UH, MAYBE YOU COULD ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SIT IF YOU WOULD LIKE. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TONY CULLUM AGAIN. UM, THE EASY QUESTION IS, I'LL TAKE THE, THE DIFFICULT ONES. KISAN CAN, CAN DEAL WITH . UM, BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE DOING THE, THE, THE DEVELOPER WILL BE SELLING VACANT LOTS FOR CUSTOM HOMES. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING. UH, WE'RE GONNA BE TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF SEDONA. UH, THE MARKETING WILL BE FOR SINGLE FAMILY OWNERS AND HOMEOWNERS ONLY. SO THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IN THE AREA. SO I THINK YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION, SO I DO, IT'S RIGHT IN HERE. AND SO, UM, IN THIS AREA FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STREET TO ABOUT THIS POINT RIGHT HERE, THAT PROPER RIGHT. I, I GUESS I'M WONDERING, DO YOU HAVE A CROSS SECTION OR ANYTHING THAT SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE? WE DO. SHOULD HAVE THIS ONE. IF YOU GO TO THE RO ROAD PLANS, UH, OKAY. I CAN PULL IT UP JUST A MINUTE. WHICH PAGE IS THAT? UH, IF YOU GO TO THE SITE, SITE PLAN, THERE, YOU LOST THEIR SCREEN. I KNOW. I TURNED IT OFF SO PEOPLE, SO I CAN . SO UN UNTIL CARRIE, UH, PULLS THE INFORMATION, UH, WE, WE DID DO ROAD DESIGN, PRELIMINARY ROAD DESIGN, UH, THE FIRST 150 FEET, WHICH IS THE PINCH POINT THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE, WE DO AGREE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE WORKED WITH. THE, UH, THE ENGINEERING AS WELL AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE, THE, THE WIDTHS OF THE, UH, THE DRIVABLE LANES ARE NINE FEET EACH, PLUS ANOTHER TWO FEET OF SHOULDER. SO THERE'S 18 FEET PLUS ANOTHER FOUR FEET. THERE'S 22 FEET OF DRIVABLE, UH, LANE, UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY SH THE TYPICAL, UH, SECTION IS, UH, SHOWN AS SECTION TWO ON THE SITE PLAN. OKAY, THERE WE GO. SEE IT BETTER THERE. SO THERE'S NO PATHWAY OR SIDEWALK AT THIS END OF THE SITE? THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. UH, IN THAT SECTION ONLY THE, THERE'S NO, UH, SPACE TO PROVIDE, UH, PATHWAY. UH, SO, UH, THE, THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE ROAD, UH, THE OTHER ROAD USERS WILL HAVE TO USE THE SAME, UH, SECTION, BUT HOWEVER, AS WE EXCEED THE PINCH POINT, WHICH IS THAT FIRST, THAT 150 FEET, WHICH WAS A STRAIGHT SHOT, THERE ARE NO CURVES BEND. SO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS LIKE AT ONE PERSON SLOPE, UH, WHERE THEY, THEY WILL HAVE TO, UH, SHARE THE ROAD, BUT FROM THEIR ONWARDS, WE ARE EXPANDING IT TO, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY OF 38 FEET AND THEN THERE WILL BE SEPARATION. OKAY. UM, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PUBLIC ACCESS THROUGH THIS POINT INTO THE SUBDIVISION. THERE IS PUBLIC ACCESS, THERE'S JUST NOT A SEPARATE SIDEWALK, SO THERE WOULD, PEOPLE JUST NEED, SO THERE'S ACCESS TO THE TRAIL MM-HMM. , UM, WOULD JUST, JUST NEED TO SHARE [00:35:01] PEOPLE, ROAD PEOPLE THE ROAD, YEAH. FOR, FOR THAT STRETCH. AND BECAUSE IT IS STRAIGHT, UM, AND WE'RE JUST RESTRICTED IN WITH THERE, UM, THERE WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH, YOU NOT LOOK GOING AROUND A CURVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT DURING, DURING THAT POINT. AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE HERE AT ONCE, THE PROPERTY WIDENS OUT THERE IS THAT SEPARATED, UM, PATHWAY OVER HERE. IT'S NOT REAL DESIRABLE, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH A SEVERE CONSTRICTION AT THAT POINT. UH, MY OTHER, UH, QUESTION AND I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON IS, UH, AT THE OTHER END OF THE SUBDIVISION AT LOT NUMBER 11, UH, WITH THE FLOOD PLAIN, WITH THE MOST SEVERE, UH, TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH, UM, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME ENVISIONING WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUILDING ENVELOPE AT THAT LOCATION, CAN USE THE TOUCH PAD, UH, SHALL ANSWER, OH YEAH, GO AHEAD. UH, I, I TEND TO AGREE THAT WOULD BE THE MOST CHALLENGING, UH, LOT. BUT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, I, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE THE MOST FUN LOT IF WE EVER GET TO DE DESIGN IT. UH, I HAVEN'T SAID THAT, UH, THE, THE INTENT RIGHT NOW, LIKE TONY MENTIONED, AND, UH, WE, THE, WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR THAT LOT TO BE DEVELOPED, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT. UH, COUPLE OF THINGS WE DID IN ADVANCE. ONE, WE MADE THAT LOT THE BIGGEST LOT POSSIBLE KNOWING THAT CERTAIN SECTION, ESPECIALLY THE CAROL CANYON, UH, IS FLOWING THROUGH IT. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FLOOD PLANE IS GOING TO BE UNINTERRUPTED. UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I MEAN I, I'VE DONE A COUPLE OF DESIGNS OF THIS NATURE SEPARATELY, BUT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE GONE BY, UH, FEMA, FLOOD PLAIN REGULATIONS AS WELL AS CT AS WELL AS A D W R, I THINK WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, WE WILL HAVE TO SATISFY ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS BEFORE THEY CAN COME UP WITH THE DESIGN. COULD I ADD A COMMENT TO THAT? SURE. YEAH. SO I'M CHRIS TORE, I OWN TERRELL BUILDING IN SONOMA. I'VE BEEN HERE 26 YEARS DESIGNING AND BUILDING CUSTOM HOMES, I THINK 150 OF THEM TO DATE. UM, I'VE BUILT, UM, A FEW SUBDIVISIONS NOW. ONE COMES TO MIND CALLED BELLA VISTA, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WAS DONE IN 2004, 2005. WE HAD A VERY SIMILAR LOT WITH THE SAME SITUATION. AND WHAT WE DID IS OUR ENGINEER JUST RAISED THE FINISHED FLOOR UP WELL ABOVE ANY FLOOD PLAIN, AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO USE ANY LOWER LEVEL. IT ACTUALLY ENHANCED THE PROPERTY TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE IT GAVE IT A BETTER PROFILE AND A REALLY NICE VIEW, WHICH THIS LOT HERE IS GONNA HAVE A NICE VIEW ONCE ELEVATED. SO THAT'S HOW WE MET THAT CONDITION WAS JUST BY RAISING THE HOUSE ABOVE THAT FLOOD PLAIN. AND WE HAD TO DO, THERE WAS SOME ENGINEERING INVOLVED. UH, KRISHAN WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT, THAT WAS ARC BECKWORTH AT THE TIME, BUT, UM, IT WAS CHALLENGING, BUT IT CAME OUT NICE IN THE END. SO, UM, WELL, I, IT'S ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. SO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ON THIS PROJECT. I KNOW THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS ARE GONNA BE DEVELOPED SEPARATELY. SO ARE YOU GOING TO DO PRELIMINARY GRADING? AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT APPLIES TO THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION. NO, BUT I'M THINKING MORE ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC LOT OR YOU JUST HAVE THIS, UH, SO THEY WOULD FLAT LAID OUT HERE, RIGHT? SO THEY WOULD CONSTRUCT THE ROAD THROUGH THIS CUL-DE-SAC. AND YOU IN THE FUTURE, WHOEVER ENDS UP BUYING THIS LOT, 11, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRYING TO, FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET ACROSS THE WASH, LIKELY THROUGH A BRIDGE. UM, IT'S BEEN DONE FOR MULTIPLE PROPERTIES IN THE CITY. IT'S NOT, LIKE KRISHAN SAID, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE EASIEST LOT TO DEVELOP, BUT WE REVIEWED THOSE KINDS OF PLANS IN THE PAST AND THEN WE WOULD REVIEW THAT ALONG WITH THE HOUSE PLANS THROUGH THE, OUR ESTABLISHED PROCESS. BUT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE SUBDIVISION WOULD END AT THE CUL-DE-SAC. OKAY. SO AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR MAYBE NOT BEING AS FOCUSED ON ALL THE DETAILS ON THE PLAN AS I SHOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT AGAIN, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT DOING MASS GRADING FOR THE PARCEL, YOU'RE MAINLY JUST DOING ENOUGH GRADING TO GET THE ROADWAY IN AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER TO GRADE THE LOT, TO LANDSCAPE THE LOT, REMOVE LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YES. YES. MM-HMM. . OKAY. [00:40:01] THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, GEORGE. WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE NEXT? LYNN, YOU WERE JUST HITTING ON, ON A QUESTION I HAD. SO ON LANDSCAPING, IT'S A LOVELY, UH, NATURAL AREA NOW CANS, SORRY, IT'S A LOVELY NATURAL AREA. NOW, JUST A A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE LANDSCAPE PROCESS. SO WHEN PEOPLE START BUILDING THEN CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE CITY PROCESS IS FOR PRESERVING LANDSCAPE? SO EACH, EACH PERMIT HAS TO SUBMIT A TREE PROTECTION PRESERVATION PLANS. SO THEY IDENTIFY THE TREES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REMOVE, UM, AND THE TREES THEY'RE GOING TO PROTECT, AND THEN THEY SHOW HOW THEY ARE GOING TO PROTECT THOSE TREES. IT'S TYPICALLY THROUGH, UM, CONSTRUCTION FENCING. AND SO WE DO REVIEW THOSE PLANS WITH EACH PERMIT, AND WE VERIFY THAT THE TREES THAT THEY'RE REMOVING ARE THE ONES THAT ONLY THE ONES THAT HAVE TO BE REMOVED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE, EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING ENVELOPE. AND WE MAKE, YOU KNOW, WOULD NEED TO STAY AND WE MAKE SURE THE FENCES ARE IN THE RIGHT LOCATION. AND, UM, WE HAVE GONE OUT ON SOME PROJECTS AND MADE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A CONCERN OF IT, WE HAVE GONE OUT AND TALKED WITH CONTRACTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT FENCING IS STILL UP. UM, BUT YEAH, THE, IT'S KIND OF DONE ON A PERMIT BY PERMIT BASIS. SO FOR THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION, THEY WOULD SUBMIT A TREE PRESERVATION OR PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION PLAN FOR THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSE WOULD DO THE SAME THING. GREAT. AND I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE ROLLED CURVE AND GUTTERS, SO I WASN'T SURE IF I MISSED SOMETHING HERE, BUT THERE'S NO ROLLED CURVE OR GUTTER IN THE FIRST ONE 50, AND THEN WILL YOU HAVE IT OR NO, YOU'RE DONE. NO, LET'S GO BACK TO THIS OTHER ONE HERE. THESE ONES, THESE PROFILES? YEAH. OKAY. UH, SO THERE WILL BE NO ROLL CURB, UH, OR GUTS IN THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION. UH, THAT IS, UH, THERE ARE COUPLE OF, UH, REASONING. ONE IS THAT IS, UH, APPROVED, UH, SECTION OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA. THE OTHER PART IS LIKE WHEN WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT DRAINAGE PATTERNS, WE FELT THAT THIS WOULD, UH, SELL BETTER BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHEET FLOOR CONDITION IN THE ENTIRE SITE. SO CONSIDERING ALL THOSE THINGS, UH, THIS, UH, PROJECT IS NOT, UH, PROPOSING ANY GUTTERS. SO HOW WILL THIS STORM RUN OFF BE MANAGED? OR CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT OF HOW THAT WILL GO? SURE. WOULD YOU MIND JUST ZOOMING OUT? YEAH, LET'S GO FOR, SO, UM, ZOOM IN THERE. LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN SEE THE CURSOR HERE. SO THAT THE, THE GENERAL FLOOR PATTERN IS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH DIRECTION. UH, SO WHATEVER THE DRAINAGE WHICH IS COMING FROM THIS AREA, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, I'M DOING A LOUSY JOB WITH MY MOUSE, BUT WHAT, WHATEVER THE, UH, THE FLOOR COMING FROM ONE THROUGH SIX, IT IS GOING TO FLOW INTO A DITCH AT THE ROAD SECTION, THE ROAD SECTION DITCH DOWN LOWER THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD. OKAY. SO THAT IS GOING TO GET CONVEY DOWN TO, UH, THE END OF THE ROAD, UH, WHERE AT THE WE ARE GOING TO DISSIPATE IT THROUGH A DETENTION BASIN WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CAPTURE THE SEDIMENT AND WE ARE GOING TO DISSIPATE THE ENERGY, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO FLOW ONTO CAROL CANYON WASH, WHICH WAS THE HISTORIC PART WHERE IT ALWAYS WENT TO. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHARLA. GO AHEAD, CHARLA. UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT HAD DONE A REVIEW FIRE DEPARTMENT BEING ONE OF 'EM, FIRE. UM, ANYWAY, BUT, UH, MY CONCERN IS THE SINGLE ACCESS AND, AND ALL, YOU KNOW, THE CHOKE POINT ENTRANCE TOO. I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT FIRE HAS, UM, NOT BROUGHT UP ANY CONCERNS, BUT THAT'S SORT OF LIKE, SO THEY GENERALLY WON'T GIVE A FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL THE ACTUAL BUILDING PERMITS COME IN. BUT, UM, THEY WILL BRING UP THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLED, UM, AND THEY REVIEW THE ROADS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT, UM, CAUSES THEM ANY CONCERNS. BUT AGAIN, UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY GET THE PER BUILDING PERMIT CONSTRUCTIONS, UH, OR [00:45:01] BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ALL OF US WILL DO A FINAL REVIEW AT THAT POINT. BUT THOSE, THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE HOUSES THEMSELVES AND THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. BUT THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION, THEY CAN SEE AT THIS POINT IN THE TURNING RADIUS IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S ONLY A SINGLE ACCESS. AND, AND SO THEY, THEY HAVE NO CONCERNS WITH THAT? NO, OR THEY HAVE NOT EXPRESSED A CONCERN, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME THING. BUT, AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS TALKED TO THE FIRE DISTRICT, WE'VE SENT THEM THE PLANS, WE GOT SOME COMMENTS BACK FROM THEM, BUT NOTHING THAT WAS REQUIRING ANY MAJOR CHANGES. IF YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE FIRE DISTRICT. SURE. I MEAN, WE, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS AND A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE, WE LOOKED AT THE CIRCULATION AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, THIS HAS ONLY ONE SINGLE ACCESS POINT. UH, HOWEVER, PRACTICALLY OR LOGISTICALLY IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE ANOTHER, ANOTHER ONE. SO THEN WHAT WE DID WAS LIKE OTHER MITIGATION PROCESSES, UH, I WOULD THINK SOME OF THE ONES WOULD BE, UH, ADDRESS RIGHT NOW IN THIS PLAQUE PROCESS WITH THE SUBSTATION DEVELOPMENT. AND THE OTHER WOULD BE ADDRESS LATER, LIKE CARRIE MENTIONED, WHEN THE, UH, THE ACTUAL BUILDING PERMITS ARE GOING TO BE PULLED. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE NOW. ONE WE HAVE PROVIDED, UH, THE ROAD WITH THE, THE, THE REASON THAT IN THE CHALK POINT, I CALL IT THE, THE ENTRANCE, THE, THAT SECTION WHERE WE CREATED THAT ENTIRE AREA SHOULDER IS LIKE, THERE IS, IN, IN THE EMERGENCY SITUATION, THERE'S, UH, 24.3 FEET OF DRIVABLE SURFACE. THAT IS A REASONABLE, UH, UH, AREA FOR, FOR, TO DRIVE IN IN EMERGENCY. THAT'S ONE THING. AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE FIRE RADIUS. WE ALSO LOOK AT THE, UH, UH, WE WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THE, THE CUL-DE-SAC AND KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT IT IS, IT IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE AND THEY CAN TURN AROUND. AND ALSO AT THE GATE CONFIGURATION ALSO, WE LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THOSE ARE THE, UH, THE ACTIONS THAT WE ARE TAKING AT THE PLATE LEVEL AND THE ENGINEER DESIGN LEVEL. AND I AM ASSUMING WHEN THEY COME TO THE, UH, THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THIS SUB UH, PROCESS, BUT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. UH, I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT SPRINKLER AND HAVING CERTAIN PRESSURES AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY GET THE PROPER ACCESS INTO DRIVE AND HOUSES AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. I THINK A COMBINATION OF THE TWO IS HOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, IS GOING TO LOOK AT THIS OVERALL PROCESS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS, AS YOU SAID, IT'S A DIFFERENT STAGE, NOT, NOT GERMANE TO TONIGHT, I GUESS, BUT ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS? THE THINGS YOU'VE MENTIONED SEEM LIKE THEY'RE STANDARD, UM, ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE IMPOSED ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION? UH, GIVEN THE SINGLE ACCESS AND THE ALL THAT, AND IT, IT, THE HOUSES THEMSELVES ARE NOT GONNA BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD TO COMPENSATE FOR THE LAYOUT. YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT, ARE YOU ? UH, NO. I, I, NO, I AM NOT. OKAY. UM, ME, EXCUSE ME. UM, THE, THE TRACK, UM, SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT REALLY LAID OUT YET OR FINALIZED. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, AT WHAT POINT WOULD THAT BE DETERMINED OR FINALIZED? SOMETHING BEYOND, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN? YES. UM, SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD BE THAT DURING FINAL PLOT, THAT THAT WOULD BE WELL, UH, DEFINED. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL CHECK DURING THAT PROCESS. COUNCIL LEVEL. YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND DO WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE? LIKE DG OR WHATEVER? NO, IT'S NOT GONNA BE PAVED. UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, I DO A LOT OF HIKING IN SEDONA, AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO HIKE ON ANYTHING THAT'S PAVED. I WOULD PREFER SOMETHING THAT'S MORE NATURAL. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE INTENTION THERE. OKAY. AND THE TRAIL RIGHT NOW IS NAT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, NATURAL, SO IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S OUT THERE. YEAH. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER, MR. UM, TUR, UM, [00:50:01] YOU'RE ALSO A BUILDER, SO ARE YOU ANTICIPATING BEING, AGAIN, THIS IS A STEP BEYOND TONIGHT REALLY, BUT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING BEING THE BUILDER FOR THESE? I, I DON'T WANNA LOOK LIKE JACK NICHOLSON, BUT THESE ARE MY ONLY PRESCRIPTION CLASSES I HAVE WITH ME , AND I REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOUR FACE. SO, UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT DEPENDS IF WE, UH, IF WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC MIRACLE, , MAYBE, UH, RIGHT NOW HOUSING IS DECLINING, BUT THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE NEED FOR HOUSING IN SEDONA. SO OUR INTENTION IS TO SELL LOTS, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT I'LL BUILD THEM MYSELF, UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO DO, BUT IT'S JUST NOT ON THE TABLE AT THE MOMENT DUE TO ECONOMIC CLIMATE. SO, UH, YOU MEAN BUILD EM AS SPEC OR? I HAVE, I HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS THAT WANT ME TO BUILD FOR THEM ALL THE TIME, SO THEY PROBABLY WILL BE PRE-SOLD AT SOME POINT. OKAY. UM, SO ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, YOU'RE CHOOSING TO GATE THIS AND YOU, SO IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE ROAD. WITH THAT COMES, UM, AN HOA AND CC AND R MM-HMM. , AND I GUESS THOSE ARE DECIDED LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD. THEY ARE. UM, BUT COULD YOU SPEAK TO US ABOUT YOUR VISION FOR THAT SPECIFICALLY SHORT TERM WEAPONS? SURE. WELL, I'VE BEEN BUILDING IN MOST EVERY SUBDIVISION IN SEDONA CASA CONTENT IS GATED. UM, FOOTHILLS IS GATED. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SOME, LIKE THE IDEA OF A GATE, SOME DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF AN OPINION ABOUT IT. I KNOW THAT MOST OF MY CLIENTS WOULD PREFER TO BE IN A GATED COMMUNITY, AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY. UH, BUT THE IDEA OF, UH, CCNRS AND ALL THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED AT A LATER POINT. BUT MOSTLY WHAT WE DO IS HIGH END LUXURY FAMILY HOMES, UH, TO ENJOY. AND LIKE I, THEY, THEY'RE ENVIRONMENTS THAT I'VE CREATED OVER THE YEARS AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE MY INTENTION THERE AS WELL. UM, AND YOU KNOW, STEVE'S SEEN A NUMBER OF MY PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS AND, UH, I THINK HE'S PRETTY HAPPY WITH THEM. I'M NOT SURE, UH, . YEAH. BUT JUST, JUST TO FOLLOW UP, SO THE CC NOS, AGAIN, JUST CONFIRMING MM-HMM. , THOSE ARE PUT IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF FINAL PLATTING, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, UM, WELL, THEY BE PUT, THE CITY DOES NOT REVIEW CCNRS. OKAY. THE CITY DOESN'T REVIEW 'EM, BUT THEY ARE PUT IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF FINAL PLANNING. THAT'S WHAT THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF REAL ESTATE. SO IT'S OKAY. AND THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE PUT IN PLACE? YES. OKAY. THE TITLE COMPANY WILL NOT CLOSE THE SALE OF A LOT UNLESS THE CCNRS ARE ON. AND MR. CU, IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK, YOU'LL NEED TO GO TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU. SORRY. YES, MA'AM. UM, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST BE VERY CLEAR THEN. WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THIS, AND I THINK YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THIS, DO YOU INTEND TO NOT ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS? WELL, I LIVE IN, UH, A 10 PAGE PARKWAY, WHICH IS, THEY HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS ALL AROUND ME. UM, I DON'T REALLY SEE MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH IT PERSONALLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS AN ISSUE FOR A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS, BUT ALL OF THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY IS ALL AT ANY POINT, CAN BE SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO THIS SUBDIVISION IS GONNA FIT RIGHT IN WITH WHAT IS IN THE, THE SURROUNDING AREA. I THINK IF YOU'D LIKE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, COULD YOU BE, I THINK HE DID . ? YEAH. WELL, IT'S SAYS, I, I PERSONALLY CAN'T SEE RESTRICTING ANYTHING AT THIS POINT CUZ NOTHING HAS REALLY BEEN DEVELOPED. UH, SO, OKAY, THAT'S FINE. AND NO, LET ME CLARIFY ONE OTHER THING. IT'S NOT MY INTENTION. I BUILD SINGLE FAMILY CUSTOM HOMES FOR CLIENTS. THAT'S MY BUSINESS. I DON'T OWN ANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I NEVER WANT TO OWN SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO YOU'RE PROBABLY ASKING THE WRONG GUY, UH, IF MY OPINION MATTERS OR NOT. SO, BUT AREN'T YOU THE ONE THAT PUTS IT IN PLACE? WELL, I'M NOT INTERESTED. YEAH, I'LL LET, COULD I ASK A FOLLOW UP, CHARLOTTE? SURE. . UM, WOULD YOU BE INSTRUMENTAL IN CRAFTING THE, UH, HOA OR CCNRS? I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO AN ATTORNEY, BUT IT WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOU BEFORE THE LOTS WERE SOLD. AGAIN, I WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THE ADVICE OF AN ATTORNEY IN WRITING CC RS. I'M NOT, I CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT. SO YOU WOULD ASK YOUR ATTORNEY, AND IT MAY BE MR. CU TO PREPARE THOSE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. UH, I'M, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, SO, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. AND, BUT IF YOU WERE TO RETAIN AN ATTORNEY, WOULD IT BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE IN THE CCRS THAT THERE ARE A RESTRICTION FOR NO SHORT TERM RENTALS? OKAY. MADAME CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD ANSWER THAT, UM, BASICALLY WHAT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAW SO FAR AS YOU'RE, AS THIS BOARD IS PROBABLY WELL AWARE, IS THE CCNRS ARE A PRIVATE CONTRACT [00:55:01] BETWEEN THE OWNERS AND THE DEVELOPER AND THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, UH, WHAT COLOR YOU BUILD, HOW NICE YOU BUILD THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS A GOVERNMENTAL PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, AND THE TWO OF THEM DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. WELL, THAT'S BEEN A REAL PROBLEM FOR THE CITIES AND THE TOWNS FOR ARIZONA FOR QUITE SOME TIME. UM, THERE, LET ME READ YOU A PRESS RELEASE THAT JUST RECENTLY CAME OUT THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. UM, THERE IS A NEW T R LEGISLATION, ST R IS SHORT TERM RENTAL UNDER ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES NINE 500.39. IT'S EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2022, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO. AND THE PRESS RELEASE, THIS COMES FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, HE, HE SIGNED IT SEPTEMBER 24TH. AND IT BASICALLY SAYS THIS NEW LEGISLATION WAS SUPPORTED BY BOTH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY AND THE CITIES AND TOWNS AND THEIR ASSOCIATIONS. UH, THE BATTLE IS OVER BETWEEN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY AND THE CITIES AND TOWNS, AND THE CITIES ARE NO LONGER HAVING TO LOOK TO THE NEW DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THEM WHEN THEIR NEW CC AND RS, UH, BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, AFTER THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE IN 2006, PROHIBITED CITIES AND TOWNS FROM BASICALLY ANY REGULATION OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, A FIERCE BATTLE RAGE BETWEEN THE CITIES AND TOWNS AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY UNDER THIS NEW 2022 LAW, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION. HOWEVER, THE CITIES AND TOWNS NOW HAVE SIGNIFICANT REGULATORY REMEDIES FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, INCLUDING BAD RENTALS THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO RELY ON THE CCNRS. UM, SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA SEE FAIRLY QUICKLY. IN FACT, JUST TO, JUST TO DEAL WITH IT, UM, I WAS GIVING ADVICE ON THAT. THERE WAS AN ATTORNEY IN FLAGSTAFF BY THE NAME OF BRIAN KAVANAUGH, WHO WAS GIVING ADVICE FOR IT. AND HE WAS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY OF WILLIAMS, WHICH HAD A MAJOR PROBLEM BECAUSE RIGHT THERE AT THE GATEWAY TO THE GRAND CANYON, A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE HOMES OR SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO HE PUT TOGETHER, UH, CITY ORDINANCE NUMBER 9 95, WHICH WAS JUST PASSED TODAY AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND BASICALLY, THEIR POSITION ON A NEW SUBDIVISION WE HAVE GOING UP THERE NOW IS THAT THEY CAN HANDLE IT THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE DEVELOPER FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, CC AND R PROCESS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO STRONG ARM PEOPLE ON THE, ON THE CONTRACT SITE. THEY CAN NOW, UH, FURNISH IT THEMSELVES. IN FACT, UH, I WAS UP THERE AT, AT THE MEETING WITH MY PROJECT, SO I JUST BROUGHT AN EXTRA COPY OF THE ORDINANCE. I'LL GIVE A COPY TO KERRY AND DO YOUR CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE WE LEAVE. AND SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU'VE HAD IN THE PAST WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS. THANK YOU, MR. COL. THANK YOU. PETE, DID YOU WANNA MAKE ANY, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, A STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? I DO. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND IF I MIGHT, MADAM CHAIR, CAN I CHANNEL CARRIE, SHE ASK SOME QUESTIONS HERE THAT I THINK I'D, I'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE TABLE. YES. I'M ONLY GONNA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY CHANNEL, BUT YEAH, I'M GONNA ASK CO'S QUESTIONS FOR, FOR HER. OH, COLLIE, DID I SAY CARRIE? YOU DID, YES. I'M SORRY. . OKAY. I'M GONNA CHANNEL COLLIE, BUT ONLY HER QUESTIONS, NOT THE REST OF HER FUTURE. SURE. . SO I'D LIKE TO ASK THIS FIRST ONE, AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT GEORGE AND OTHERS HAVE ASKED, BUT CALI, AS A SPECIFIC TWIST ON THIS THAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME RESPONSE TO THE SIDEWALK. FOR THE 150, THE ENTRYWAY, UH, NEEDS TO BE THERE WITH NO SIDE HINDRANCE. I SUGGEST LOOKING AT REPLACING THE SHOULDERS WITH CURBING IN ONE SIDEWALK, FOUR FOOT OF ADDITIONAL SPACE GAIN FROM LOSING THE SHOULDERS COULD BE TWO SIX INCH CURBS AND A THREE FOOT SIDEWALK. IF THAT SIDEWALK IS TOO NARROW FOR CODE, COULD THE ROAD SLIGHTLY NARROWED TO MEET THE GO PATHWAY STANDARD? SO I, I THINK THAT THE INTENT IS BEING MET THE WAY WE ARE, UH, DESIGNING THIS. FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S ASSUME THAT WE HAD A CURB OVER HERE. LET'S ASSUME IT'S A SIX INCH VERTICAL CURVE FOR SAKE OF DISCUSSION. IT COULD BE A ROLL CURVE, WHICH COULD BE FOUR. [01:00:01] NOW, THE, THE SECTION THAT WE HAVE CREATES A DRIVABLE SURFACE IN THE ENTIRE 24 UH, FEET. SO MAYBE THE, THE SURFACE MAY CHANGE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT CONVEYANCE ON THAT, THAT THE ENTIRE 24 FEET IS LEFT FOR DRIVE DRIVING. SO AT THAT POINT, WHETHER BY, SO MY PERSONAL OPINION IS LIKE CREATING A CURB IS NOT GOING TO HELP. IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO, UH, BE A HINDRANCE FROM A, FROM THAT STANDPOINT. UH, CAN WE MOVE TO ONE SIDE AND THEN CREATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PATH WHICH CAN BE USED, UH, FOR WALKING? UH, CERTAINLY THAT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS A GOOD, GOOD POINT TO CONSIDER. UH, NOW ONE, ONE OTHER THING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS LIKE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UM, PEDESTRIANS, AND WE ALSO DID THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, FOR A SUBDIVISION OF THIS NATURE. THEY, THE, THE TRAFFIC COUNTS CAME TO BE VERY MINIMAL BASED ON THE, THE, THE STANDARDS. SO, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A BUSY STREET WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE VEHICLES GOING UP AND DOWN ALL THE TIME. SO I THINK BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE AT THE END OF, UH, A ROAD SYSTEM, THAT IS SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IN THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. I, I KNOW I'M NOT EXACTLY GIVING YOU AN ANSWER, BUT THESE ARE MY THOUGHT PROCESSES TOWARDS THIS, UH, PEDESTRIAN USAGE. SO IN MY OPINION, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF TWO VEHICLES PASSING AND PEDESTRIAN ALSO BEING AT THE SAME, SAME LOCATION IS GOING TO BE MINIMAL. AND WE CAN CONTROL THE SPEED, YOU KNOW, UH, ON, ON THIS MOST PROBABLY IS GOING BE 15 OR 20 MILES PER HOUR. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN OTHER ASPECTS THAT COMES INTO A WALKABLE, UH, GATED COMMUNITY, UH, THAT MIGHT REDUCE THE LEVEL OF CONCERN ABOUT SAFETY OF PEDESTRIAN USAGE. CARRIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS RELATIVE TO CO'S DESIGN SUGGESTION THERE? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF HANUKKAH OR PUBLIC WORKS, COULD WE, I KNOW THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT A LOT TOO, BUT WE, UM, BASED ON THE SHORTNESS OF THIS SECTION BEING STRAIGHT, I, FOR ALL THE REASONS KRISHAN SAID, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE WAY THEY HAVE IT DESIGNED. YEP. OKAY. I COULD JUST ADD, YOU KNOW, FROM MY ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, NINE FOOT LANE IS VERY NARROW. UH, TO REMOVE A SHOULDER WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY ON A VERY NARROW NINE FOOT LANE, I THINK WOULD BE, IT TAKES ALL SAFETY AWAY IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A SEPARATE PATHWAY THERE. SO IT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION AS IT IS NOW. UH, BUT I THINK IF WE WERE TO, UH, SEE CHANGES SUCH AS WHAT CARRIE IS PROPOSING, I THINK IT WOULD, KELLY, I'M SORRY. I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT LESS SAFE. OKAY. SECOND COLLEAGUE QUESTION IS ABOUT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AND HAS ZERO SCAPING OR OTHER LOW WATER LANDSCAPING, UH, IDEAS BEEN DISCUSSED? SO THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR, FOR THIS STAGE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? YEP. SO'S A KIND OF GENERAL QUESTION. CURRENT THINKING OF THE DEVELOPER. UH, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN YOUR MINDS THESE DAYS ABOUT ZEROSCAPING OR OTHER LOW WATER LANDSCAPING IDEAS? UM, WHENEVER I DESIGN AND BUILD A HOME, IT'S USUALLY, UH, INVOLVES AN ENGINEER FOR DRAINAGE. UH, SO IT IS CASE BY CASE. IT'S, I REALLY CAN MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT ABOUT IT. UM, BUT THAT WOULD REALLY BE UP TO, UH, CHRIS, SEAN. HE'S DONE QUITE A FEW OF MY PROJECTS. SO ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'LL CHANNEL ME , UH, UNDERGROUNDED UTILITIES. YES. ANOTHER GENERAL, UH, TYPE OF QUESTION HERE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT I SAW, DO YOU HAVE, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPER, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THESE POTENTIAL, THIS, UH, EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS CCNRS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY? AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE CITY ISSUE, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS IS THE STATUS, HAVE YOU RESOLVED THIS WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR THOUGHT ABOUT IT AT ALL? THERE'S A CLAIM OUT THERE THAT THERE'S SOME EXISTING CCNRS THAT APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY. WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANY. I THINK, UH, WE, WE'VE DONE THE, THE AVAILABLE, UH, POSSIBLE ANALYSIS AND THEN, YOU [01:05:01] KNOW, RESEARCH, AND WE CANNOT FIND ANYTHING TO SAY THAT IT IS OVERLAPPING. SO THE POSITION RIGHT NOW IS LIKE, IT IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR A CC R, THAT WOULD BE INDEPENDENT CCNR FOR REFUGE. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE BACK TO THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT THINKS THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DATA ON THAT TO BRING IT FORTH. UH, MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT THAT AGAIN, TOWARDS THIS TRAIL HEAD, AND IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY AT THE ENTRANCE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE THINKING ABOUT HOW DOES, UH, PUBLIC ACCESS IN A GATED ENTRYWAY WORK TOGETHER? I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT. UM, SO, UH, CASA CONTENTA FOOTHILLS, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY IS NOT LOCKED. UM, JUST IT, THE GATE IS THERE JUST TO PROTECT V PROTECT ULA ACCESS, GOING BACK AND FORTH. SO, UM, TO THE RIGHT OF THE GATE OR TO THE LEFT OF THE GATE, THERE'LL BE AN OPENING WHERE ANYBODY COULD WALK THROUGH. IT'S NOT INTENT. THE GATE IS NOT INTENDED TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT, JUST VEHICLES. SO I, I RIDE MY BIKE THROUGH CASA CONTENTA. NOW I DO KNOW PEOPLE IN THERE. AND SO, YEAH. I KNOW THAT THE SOUTH, THE NORTH GATE DOESN'T HAVE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. AND I THOUGHT THE SOUTH GATE DOES HAVE A PEDESTRIAN. THE SOUTH GATE DOES. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT CUZ I'M BUILDING THAT FIRST HOUSE RIGHT WHEN YOU COME THROUGH THE GATE ON THE RIGHT. AND THAT GATE IS NEVER LOCKED. IT'S, IT HAS A LATCH, BUT YOU CAN JUST, IT HAS A LATCH. THAT'S WHAT I'M RECALLING. THAT'S WHAT I'M RECALLING. IT DOES HAVE A LATCH. YEAH, BUT NOT A LOCK. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT ON THE SOUTH END OF YOUR PROPERTY? WHAT TREATMENT ARE YOU GONNA DO RELATIVE TO THE PATH THAT'S THERE IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A GATE. UH, ALSO ON THE SOUTH, THERE'S A GATE THERE NOW, I BELIEVE. OR MAYBE A PILOTER THAT PREVENTS, UH, MAYBE ATVS OR GOING THROUGH THERE. UH, I WOULD JUST DO THAT AS IT IS. YOU'RE DO IT. LOOKS GOOD. WORKS. ALL RIGHT. SO YOUR IDEA CURRENTLY FOR THE ENTRY PEDESTRIAN GATE IS TO HAVE IT LATCHED POTENTIALLY, BUT NOT LOCKED. CORRECT. AND THEN, CARRIE, I KNOW WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST PUT THIS ON THE RECORD. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU, UH, MAKE TRAILS LIKE THIS MORE OFFICIAL BY NOW HAVING ACCESS GATE, UH, IT MIGHT ATTRACT PEOPLE EVEN MORE TO COME AND PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MM-HMM. AND, UH, AND USE THE BENEFIT OF THE TRAIL AND, UH, THAT CAUSES SOME PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WHAT ARE THE MM-HMM. , WHAT'S THE SOLUTION TRAJECTORY FOR IF THIS THING ALL SUDDEN BECOMES POPULAR AND CARS ARE STARTING TO APPEAR? SO I DON'T BELIEVE THE STREETS OUT THERE ARE WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE P PARKING. THERE'S A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS IN THAT AREA AS WELL. UM, AND SO IF IT BECAME AN ISSUE THERE, UM, WE COULD DO SOME NO PARKING SIGNAGE OR, UM, THOSE SORT OF THINGS. BUT THE INTENTION IS NOT TO HAVE PEOPLE AND THE PROCESS TO PUT UP A NO PARKING SIGN BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THAT ROADWAY IS AN EASIER PROCESS. STAFF COULD JUST KIND OF DO IT. IS THERE BARRIERS THAT EXIST IF THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM FOR US TO DO? I, YEAH. I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE IT IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE PAVEMENT IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR PARKING. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS EXACTLY IS. IT'S USUALLY GOES TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IN, IN MANY CASES, UH, COMMISSION, UH, THE, THE CITY ENGINEER CAN ESTABLISH NO PARKING ZONES. I'M GONNA, UH, GO BACK ONE MORE TIME CUZ I, I HAD A NOTE HERE AND I FORGOT TO ASK IT. SO IN THE PACKET ON PAGE 53, THERE'S A SECTION CALLED PUBLIC TRAIL. AND AT THE BACK END OF THAT, IT SAYS, THEREFORE, AS PART OF THE NEW CONFIGURATION, THE PUBLIC TRAIL IS NO LONGER PROVIDED. SO AS THIS JUST OUTDATED INFORMATION, IT SEEMS TO CONFLICT ME. I SAW THAT TOO. YEAH. THAT THE ACTUAL PLAT DOES. IT'S THIS, UM, DARKER LINE HERE, RIGHT. THAT'S SHOWN THERE. AND THEN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REQUIRED AS WELL. OKAY. SO THIS IS OUTDATED INFORMATION AT SOME POINT. YEAH, IT WAS DATED 12 7 21. IT WAS, YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. YEP. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, YOUR CONCEPT HERE IS TO, UH, BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN SELL LOTS WHEN THEY SELL AND BUILD AS THEY GO ALONG. BUT DO YOU HAVE A PROJECTED TIMELINE FOR HOW LONG YOUR, YOUR PART WILL TAKE WITH, YOU KNOW? SURE. WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE PARTNERS INVOLVED AND WE'RE ALL KIND OF KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS RIGHT NOW, SO IT COULD TAKE EIGHT MONTHS TO PUT INFRASTRUCTURE IN ACCORDING TO HERB, UH, FROM TIFFANY. SO, UM, UPON APPROVAL, WHATEVER THE RESULT IS OF THAT, UM, I WOULD SAY MAYBE A YEAR. YEAH. 18 MINUTES. YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. A YEAR FROM APPROVAL, PROBABLY AT CITY COUNCIL, PROBABLY. YEAH. SO, SO YOUR [01:10:01] INTENTION TO BEGIN AFT IF AF AFTER APPROVAL AS SOON AS YOU CAN. IF YOU CAN GET ME A CRYSTAL BALL, I COULD ANSWER THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION, THAT ANSWER. SO, UH, PETE'S FOLLOW UP PIGGYBACKING. THERE WERE SOME, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL TALKING ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, UH, TO BUILD THIS PROJECT. UM, YOUR, YOUR PIECE OF IT IS NOT GONNA TAKE TWO AND A HALF YEARS. IT'S MORE OR LESS GONNA BE A YEARS PERIOD OF TIME OR LESS. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH. ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED ON IT. YEAH. MY TIME, MANNER, HOMES AND SO FORTH, THE WHOLE BUILDOUT MAY TAKE, YOU KNOW, OH, THAT COULD TAKE, YEAH, THAT COULD TAKE YEARS. MAY TAKE FIVE YEARS. YEAH. YEAH, PROBABLY. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL CARRY BACK TO YOU. I, I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU HAD, UH, IN YOUR INITIAL SLIDE, YOU HAD SOME STATEMENTS AND ONE OF 'EM SAID NO HOME CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME. AND WHAT YOU MEANT IS MM-HMM. THAT AT THIS STAGE IN THE APPROVAL, WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT HOME CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE PLAT AND THE SUBDIVISION AND CORRECT. YEAH. THEY'D HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND FINISH IT AND ESTABLISH ALL THESE NEW LOTS BEFORE WE WOULD START LOOKING AT HOUSE PLANS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS. YEP. AND THEN ALSO, I'M CURIOUS, BACK TO THE DEVELOPER, YOU WENT FROM A CLUSTER KIND OF PROJECT WITH SMALLER LOTS YEAH. TO NOW, UH, A PROJECT WITH ONE FEWER HOME, BUT BIGGER LOTS. HOW ARE THE HOME SIZES YOU PROJECT ARE GOING, WERE GONNA BE AFFECTED FROM THE CLUSTER TO THIS DESIGN? ARE THE HOMES BIGGER, SMALLER, THE SAME? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF MARKET DRIVEN AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF MY RELATIVE FRIEND IS HERE, JIM FRENCH. NO, HE DIDN'T MAKE IT. UM, BASICALLY, I THINK THEY'RE SAYING BETWEEN 22 TO 3000 IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE THE SPOT, UH, NATIONALLY. UM, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE SMALL. THEY'D BE, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL STUCCO, YOU KNOW, PAVERS, UH, EVERYTHING I'M KNOWN FOR HERE IN TOWN. THINK CARRIE FROM A, HOW DOES HOME SIZE AND LOT SIZE CORRELATE? UM, I MEAN, I OBVIOUSLY YOU GET LARGER LOTS, YOU HAVE A LARGER BUILDING ENVELOPE, YOU CAN FIT A LARGER HOUSE ON THEM. UM, BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, WHAT WE SEE COMING THROUGH ARE HOUSES AROUND THE, YEAH, THE 2,500 TO 3000 SQUARE FOOT RANGE. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME THAT ARE BIGGER AND SOME THAT ARE SMALLER. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE SETBACKS, YOU HAVE OUR DESIGN STANDARDS AND, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE USE TO REVIEW THE, THE PERMITS THAT COME IN. SO IT MIGHT BE FAIR TO SAY TO SPECULATE THAT GOING FROM, UH, CLUSTER HOMES TO A MORE STANDARD SUBDIVISION, THAT OUR, OUR HOME SIZES ARE PROBABLY HAVE INCREASED BY MAKING THAT CHANGE TO THIS PROJECT. THE, THE BUILDING ENVELOPES ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, SO THEY COULD POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATE IT A LITTLE BIT LARGER OF A HOUSE, BUT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET PERMITS IN, YOU DON'T KNOW RIGHT. IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA MAXIMIZE THOSE OR MAD. I'M SURE. LAST QUESTION, AND THIS WAS REALLY JUST ABOUT MY LEARNING AND ABOUT MY CURIOSITY ABOUT WATER. UM, THE LETTER OF SERVICEABILITY FROM ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, IS THAT, WAS THAT SUBMITTED AT THIS POINT? I COULDN'T FIND IT IN THE PACKET. IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT I DIDN'T LOOK IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO LOOK AT THE FORM OF THAT LETTER ANYHOW. MM-HMM. . YEAH, IT WAS, WELL, WE'VE SEEN IT. YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT. OKAY. IT WAS IN THE, IN THE PACKET, BUT I'M, CHECK ON THAT. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THOSE LOOKS. SO CARRIE, MAYBE, SO THOSE GENERALLY, UM, CONFIRM THAT SOME THINGS WITHIN THE AREA OF SERVICE AND, UM, IT KIND OF STARTS THAT CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE UTILITY PROVIDER AS TO WHAT, UM, THEY'LL NEED TO DO TO GET SERVICE TO THOSE PROPERTIES. YEP. YEP. ALL RIGHT. SURE. THAT'S MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PETE. SO WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW, AND I HAVE JUST, UH, I HAVE TWO CARDS AND, AND A QUESTION MARK ON THE THIRD ONE, WHETHER THAT PERSON WANTS TO SPEAK OR NOT. UM, IF YOU'LL COME TO THE, UM, PODIUM, PLEASE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE IN THIS ORDER. FIRST JOHN SPRA, FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE SPRA. AND, UH, LASTLY, IF MARION LIVINGSTONE CARES TO SPEAK, SHE WOULD BE THIRD, BUT SHE JUST LISTED THAT SHE WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT. HAVE YOU STARTED THE CLOCK? JOHN SPARROW, WEST SEDONA, I AM FOR DEVELOPMENT, I [01:15:01] AM FOR IMPROVEMENT. I'M IN FAVOR OF EVERYTHING THAT, THAT GETS BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER. I AM FOR PROGRESS. THOUGH ADMITTEDLY NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SUCCESSFUL. I AM COMMITTED TO SEEKING THE SECOND RIGHT ANSWER AND TO STAYING ALERT AND RECEPTIVE TO NEW IDEAS AND ANY DATA THAT CAN MORE COMPLETELY INFORM MY VIEW ON THINGS. THAT BEING SAID TODAY AS I WAS IN 2021, I AM AGAINST THE REFUGE AT SEDONA AS IT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. I HAVE MULTIPLE REASONS FOR MY POSITION, BUT THERE'S NO TIME TO NAME THEM ALL HERE. THE OVERARCHING RATIONALE FOR MY POSITION AGAINST THE REFUGE AT SEDONA DEVELOPMENT CENTERS ON THE ORIGIN AND GENERAL USEFULNESS OF CODES. SADLY, CODES ARE OFTEN CREATED NOT AS A PROPHYLACTIC INITIATIVE, BUT MORE FREQUENTLY AS A RESULT OF SOME NOT SO GOOD OUTCOME THAT'S OCCURRED IN THE REAL WORLD. A HIGH RISE FIRE, A PLANE CRASH, A KID DROWNING. SO IN EFFORTS TO AVERT THE SAME NEGATIVE EVENT IN THE FUTURE, A CODE IS CRAFTED, IT'S PROMULGATED, AND IT'S MONITORED FOR COMPLIANCE IN GENERAL. THOUGHTFUL CODES SERVE ALL OF US VERY WELL. THEY PROVIDE US RELIABILITY, PREDICTABILITY, AND PROTECTION THAT LIKELY WOULD NOT BE ASSURED IN THEIR ABSENCE. HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE FAA, THE F FDA? THE S E C AND A.TO NAME JUST A HANDFUL ALL HAVE EXPLICIT CODES GUIDING THEIR DECISION MAKING AND OPERATIONAL ACTIVITIES. THEY DON'T CHANGE THE SIDES OF INNER SIZE OF INTERSTATE SIGNS ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES. THERE'S A CODE. LIKEWISE, SEDONA HAS ITS OWN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SEDONAS LDC AS INCOMPLETE AND LACKING IN SPECIFICITY IS, IN MY OPINION, I THINK IT IS, IT DOES INCORPORATE MANY, MANY, MANY ELEMENTS REQUIRED TO BE FULLY MET BY ANYONE SEEKING TO BUILD OR RENOVATE REAL PROPERTY. THESE CODES DESCRIBE REASONABLE AND CUSTOMARY BOUNDARIES OR LIMITS TO WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED BASED UPON WHAT WIDELY ACCUMULATED PRIOR EXPERIENCE AND LESSONS LEARNED WHEN SUCH CODES WERE NON-EXISTENT. THINK ABOUT TA TAMPA RESISTANT PHARMACEUTICALS. REMEMBER THE TYLENOL DISASTER A CODE WAS PUT IN PLACE. AS I SAID AT THE OUTSET, I HAVE MANY REASONS FOR NOT SUPPORTING THE PETITIONER'S REQUEST AS SUBMITTED, BUT I'M ESPECIALLY UNEASY ABOUT THE STAFF'S INDICATED ACCEPTANCE OF THE DEVELOPER'S REQUEST FOR A CODE VARIANCE TO REFUGE WAY. THE REASONABLE AND CUSTOMARY STANDARD. A K A CODE FOR A ROADWAY IN A NEW SUBDIVISION IS EXPLICITLY DETAILED WAVING. THE GOVERNING CODE IN THIS CASE SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY CHALLENGED FOR IT SEEMS TO DISCOUNT OR IGNORE THE MULTIPLE REASONS THAT SUCH A CODE WAS CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE. GIVE ME 15 SECONDS. I BEG YOU. IF WE DON'T ACTUALLY LEARN FROM OUR PAST MISTAKES, WE HAVE NO BUSINESS IN THIS BUSINESS. FINALLY, IN SIMPLE SUMMARY, THIS COMMISSION, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD ONCE AGAIN INVITE THE PETITIONER TO GO BACK TO CAD CAM TERMINAL AND REDRAW THE PLANS FOR THIS SUBDIVISION THAT COMPLETELY CONFORM TO EVERY L D C CODE. THIS IS COMPLETELY DOABLE. FRIENDS, IT'S 6.5 ACRES, YOUR TIME IS UP. MR. SPEAR, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. THANK YOU. WHAT DID I DO WITH THOSE CARDS? STEPHANIE SPRA, STEPHANIE SPARROW, WEST SEDONA. WE JUST RETURNED FROM LONDON AND NORTHERN EUROPE. THERE WE WITNESSED BOTH AWARENESS AND VISIBLE ACTION ADDRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. SEDONA HAS THESE CONCERNS TOO, AND HAS WRITTEN ITS OWN CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND OUTLINED SOME GUIDELINES FOR FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. GIVEN HOW INTENSE AND URGENT ARE OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT GLOBALLY AND LOCALLY. WHY WOULD THE CITY OF SEDONA NOT REQUIRE ITS OWN GUIDELINES TO BE FULLY MET, ESPECIALLY GIVEN OUR ACUTE CONSCIOUSNESS ABOUT WATER? WHY WOULD THE CITY OF SEDONA SANCTION ANY WAIVERS TO THE REFUGE AT SEDONA PERMITTING 11 HOUSES TO BE BUILT ON LAND, WHICH REQUIRES SPECIAL ENGINEERING AROUND A CRUCIAL WASH? WHY MAKE ANY CONCESSIONS TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES NOTHING AT ALL TO ADDRESS SEDONAS HOUSING [01:20:01] CONCERNS? WHY WOULD THE CITY ACCEPT PARTIAL COMPLIANCE TO ITS CODES SUCH AS THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD AT ENTRY AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRANCE INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED TWO? WHY WOULD IT DO THAT WHEN THERE'S NO COMPELLING NEED TO TAKE THAT SAFETY RISK? WHY DOESN'T THE CITY SEND THE BUILDER BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO PROPOSE A BUILDING PROJECT THAT EXACTLY MEETS THE CODE? DOING SO ULTIMATELY MEANS A LESS DENSE PROJECT, REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING ALLOWANCE. THAT ALSO LIKELY MEANS A LESS PROFITABLE PROJECT. BUT ISN'T THAT EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING? A CERTAIN KIND OF SACRIFICE IN THE NAME OF PRESERVING OUR VULNERABLE SEDONA ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES. WE LIVE HERE IN SEDONA, IN PART BECAUSE WE HAD SUCCESSFUL CAREERS. WE ARE NOT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT, ANTI-BUSINESS OR ANTI-CAPITALISM. IF ANYTHING, WE ARE A PRO THOSE THINGS. HOWEVER, WE ARE AWARE THAT BUSINESS AS USUAL, MUST CHANGE FOR ALL OF US. ONE DISAPPOINTING THING I HAVE EXPERIENCED IS A LACK OF RECEPTIVITY AND HOSPITALITY TO RESIDENTS. AND OUR CONCERNS OR IDEAS ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD CODES AND RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PROJECTS, WE MUST COMPLAIN TO GET ATTENTION TO CODE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE NOT OTHERWISE ENFORCED. WE CITIZENS ARE VIEWED AS COMPLAINERS. WE ARE LABELED NIS AND WE ARE DISMISSED. THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE. TO THAT POINT, I'M GOING TO SHARE A WINSTON CHURCHILL QUOTE THAT I SAW CHISELED ON A WALL SOMEWHERE IN LONDON. HE SAID THE GREATEST LESSON IN LIFE IS TO KNOW THAT EVEN FOOLS ARE RIGHT SOMETIMES. SO IF WE RESIDENTS ARE FOOLS AND THAT WE ARE NIS AND COMPLAINERS, I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT HIS INSIGHT MIGHT APPLY HERE. THAT NO TO ANY WAIVERS AND FAVORS TO THE REFUGE PROJECT IS THE RIGHT AND WISE ANSWER THAT EVEN SEDONAS RESIDENTS COULD BE RIGHT ABOUT THAT THE REFUGE AS PLANNED IS NOT THE RIGHT MOVE FOR SEDONA. SAY NO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MARYANNE LIVINGSTON? YES. HELLO, MARYANNE LIVINGSTON. AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, WEST SEDONA. I JUST WANNA CONCUR WITH WHAT THESE TWO PEOPLE HAVE SAID, AND THERE'S PROBABLY 50 OR 60 OF US THAT WILL ALSO CONCUR. BUT LEAVING ON THAT, I ALSO WANTED TO ASK WHY HIS WIFE IS MARKETING THESE HOMES TO BE AS POSSIBLE. AIRBNBS JUST SAYING IT'S ONLINE. I HAVE NO OTHER CARDS. SO I SUBMIT A CARD. IS IT TOO LATE? NO, IT'S NOT TOO LATE. WALK UP AND YOU CAN JUST HOLD ONTO IT FOR THE MOMENT. UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. OKAY, MY NAME IS MARK MADDOX, UH, CITY OF OF RESIDENCE. SEDONA. I HAVE AN ADJOINING PROPERTY. I HAVE A PROPERTY AT 1 45 GOLDEN EAGLE. SO FIRST OF ALL, I REITERATE THE POINTS THAT JOHN STEPHANIE MARYANNE MADE. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I WAS AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND WE HEARD A LOT OF ASSURANCES THAT AIRBNBS IN SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD BE PRECLUDED, THAT THE CCNRS WOULD BE DESIGNED SO THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. SO YOU CAN UNDER, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WHAT A RUG PULL THIS FEELS LIKE TO HEAR. NOW. I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS WE'LL ALLOW 'EM IF PEOPLE WANT 'EM. WELL, OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO THAT, AND I'M, I'M NOT HAPPY AT ALL TO HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS COMPLETE CHANGE. THE SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS REGARDING ACCESS AND TRAFFIC. THERE'S FOUR PROPERTIES THAT ACCESS THAT CUL-DE-SAC, AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA ADD 11 HOMES. TRAFFIC CONTROL. I, I WONDER ABOUT THAT. AND THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE INTERSECTION AT HUMMINGBIRD LANE. IT'S JUST OFF THE MAP. AS FAR AS I KNOW. THERE'S NO STOP SIGN AT ALL. SO NO STOP SIGN, NO YIELD SIGN, NOTHING. SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE WITH AIRBNBS WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA DRIVE THROUGH. I THINK IT'S, I THINK YOU'RE SETTING UP FOR A PROBLEM UNLESS THAT'S ADDRESSED. AND I INVITE YOU TO OBSERVE IT. GO LOOK AT THE, UH, INTERSECTION YOURSELF AND ADDRESS IT. SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WOULD YOU DELIVER YOUR CARD OVER HERE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK TO THE COMMISSION. ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? [01:25:01] WE'LL TAKE A BREAK HERE IN A MINUTE. LYNN ? OKAY. YES, MADAM SHERA. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS IF I COULD. UH, LIKE MOST OF, UH, THE TESTIMONY HERE TODAY IN PUBLIC COMMENT IN GENERAL, FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IN OUR TOWN, I TOO AM ALSO NOT HAPPY ABOUT, UH, PROJECTS THAT DON'T COME FORTH WITH CCN RS THAT PROHIBIT SHORT TERM RENTALS GIVEN THE SITUATION IN TOWN. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE STATE DOESN'T ALLOW US TO, UH, REJECT PROJECTS OR PASS ANY LAWS OR FIX OUR PROBLEMS IN ANY WAYS BASED ON THAT CRITERIA. AND I, I WISH WE COULD FIND SOME OTHER WAY TO FIX THAT. AND IT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL IF THE, UH, DEVELOPER ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THE PROBLEM OF EXISTS IN, IN SEDONA AND WOULD VOLUNTARILY, UH, GO IN THAT DIRECTION. I AM PARTICULARLY PLEASED ABOUT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF, YOU KNOW, FORMALIZING A, A PUBLIC ACCESS THROUGH THIS PROPERTY AS THESE, AS PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD. TO DO THAT, UH, IS A GREAT VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT'S A POSITIVE THING, UH, ON THIS KIND OF, UH, PROJECT. I THINK, UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN FOR THIS PROJECT IS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS, FIRE ACCESS FIRE EVACUATION TOPICS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CURRENTLY STRUGGLES WITH AS TALKING ABOUT AN ANALYSIS COMMUNITYWIDE. AND AS I LOOK AT THIS ENTRY AND COMMENTS, I THINK FROM SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ALSO WORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT REASSURED THAT THE PROCESS HAS INCLUDED COMMENTS FROM FIRE AND, AND SO FAR NO BARRIERS ARE, ARE THROWN UP ABOUT THAT. I WOULD, UH, ENCOURAGE AS THIS PROD IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD TO COUNSEL, THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE POLICE AND FIRE THERE TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES OF FIRE EVACUATION AND FIRE SAFETY. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT REALLY DISCUSSED IN A, IN A WAY THAT IS, IS CONVINCING SAFETY ISSUES FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S MY MAJOR COMMENT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU, PETE. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION BOUND ON PAGE 11. GEORGE, YOU MAKE A MOTION. AM I CALLING ON YOU, GEORGE? UM, I MOVE TO, EXCUSE ME. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 20 DASH 0 0 7 SUBDIVISION BASED ON THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS. ARE YOU GONNA ELUCIDATE THOSE FINDINGS? UM, MY CONCERNS ARE THE, THE SAFETY OF THE ENTRANCE TO THIS PROJECT. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? SEEING NONE, THAT MOTION FAILS. I'LL ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. I DON'T HAVE THE OKAY. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND. YEAH, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PC TWO OH DASH SEVEN SUBDIVISION, THE REFUGE SUBDIVISION BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.5, AND THE SATISFACTION OF THE SUBDIVISION FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? NA, THE MOTION PASSES FOR ONE. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. [01:30:01] WE'LL COME BACK AND DO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. THIS [6B Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for a Preliminary Plat approval to subdivide approximately 3.3 acres into a 6-unit single family subdivision at 10 Sky Line Drive. The property is zoned Single Family Residential (RS-18) and is located southwest of the intersection of State Route 179 and Chapel Rd. Case Number: PZ21-00014 (SUB) Applicant: Sefton Engineering (Luke Sefton)] IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX B, PUBLIC HEARING. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL TO SUBDIVIDE APPROXIMATELY 3.3 ACRES INTO A SIX UNIT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION AT 10 SKYLINE DRIVE. THE PROPERTY IS ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RS 18 AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 1 79 IN CHAPEL ROAD. CASE NUMBER PZ 21 DASH ZERO 14 SUBDIVISION. THE, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, IS SEPTON ENGINEERING. LUKE SEPTON REPRESENTATIVE. OKAY. CARRIE? YES. UM, SO YES IS ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY PLOT, UM, FOR WHAT IS BEING CALLED CHAPEL VIEW TERRACE. UM, SO THIS IS AGAIN, THE, OH, THIS IS THE COVER PAGE OF THAT PLAT SHOWING YOU HAVE, UM, THE ROUNDABOUT HERE, AND WE'LL ZOOM IN ON A LITTLE BIT. AND THE SIX UNIT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THAT CHAPEL ROAD. ROUNDABOUT, UM, SAME PLATTING PROCEDURES. AS FOR THE PREVIOUS ONE, THE ONE DIFFERENCE IS BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY SIX SLOTS, THERE WAS NO CONCEPTUAL PLAT. UM, THE LAST ONE BEING OVER 10 LOTS HAD TO GO THROUGH THAT SEPARATE CONCEPTUAL PLOT PROCESS. UM, SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE SEEING IT, AND IF YOU END UP MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MAJOR CHANGES, IT WILL NOT COME BACK TO YOU AFTER THIS. UM, IT WOULD GO TO LIKE, LIKE THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION AND PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM. IT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL AFTER THIS. UM, SO THE, THE PROPERTY IS SHOWN IN GREEN. IT IS, UM, JUST OVER THREE ACRES AND BEING PROPOSED TO BE DIVIDED INTO SIX SEPARATE LOTS, UM, FOR A, FOR A DENSITY OF ABOUT 1.8 UNITS PER ACRE. UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, DOES DESIGNATE THIS ONE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE. AND THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DOES, UM, REQUIRE AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE 10, A HUNDRED, SORRY, A HUNDRED FEET, A MINIMUM WIDTH AND MAXIMUM DENSITY OF TWO UNITS PER ACRE. UM, AND AGAIN, THERE ARE NO HOUSES BEING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. IT'S JUST THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY. UM, SO AGAIN, WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION WITH THE ROAD COMING IN OFF OF CHAPEL ROAD, UM, WHAT YOU SEE KIND OF TO THE SOUTH TO SKYLINE IS A SECONDARY EMERGENCY EXIT, UM, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS. UM, SO YOU CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT AND AS YOU SEE IN THIS PLOT, YOU ACTUALLY SEE, UM, THE PROPERTY LINES ARE GOING TO THAT CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, THE ROAD TO BE IN AN EASEMENT, UM, THAT IT'S A PERMITTED UM, ARRANGEMENT. HOWEVER, THE AREA WITHIN THE EASEMENT DOES NOT GET TO COUNT TOWARDS THAT MINIMUM 18,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE. SO THE, THE GROSS AREA OF THESE LOTS IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LARGER, BUT THEY ALL HAVE A NET AREA WHEN YOU EXCLUDE THE AREA WITHIN THE EASEMENT OF AT LEAST 18,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND THEN THE SETBACKS WOULD BE MEASURED FROM THE EDGE OF THE EASEMENT, JUST LIKE AS IF IT WERE A ROAD. UM, BUT THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS AS A PRIVATE ROAD AND WITHIN THAT EASEMENT, UM, SEE HOW THIS KIND OF FITS INTO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. YOU HAVE, UM, UH, A PORTION OF THE MYSTIC HILL SUBDIVISION HERE. UM, AND THEN OVER ACROSS AT 1 79 AT THE ROUNDABOUT YOU HAVE, UM, THE LUTHERAN CHURCH AND THE FIRE STATION AND THE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER. UM, BUT THEN THE, ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES ON TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH ARE OTHER, UM, SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES. UM, SO AGAIN, THERE'S THE ONE PRIMARY ACCESS POINT TO THE NORTH AND CHAPEL ROAD, WHICH THEN WOULD CONNECT TO 1 79 AT THE ROUNDABOUT. THE SECONDARY, UM, AND EMERGENCY AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SOUTH WOULD CONNECT A SKYLINE. THE ROAD IS WITHIN A 49 TO 60 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, WITH THREE LOTS ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD. AND THEY ARE BUILDING FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND NUDE SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS ALONG ALL OF THEIR FRONTAGES AS WELL AS REQUIRED BY THE CODE. UM, SAME REVIEW CRITERIA AS FOR THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM WITH THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS BEING IN ARTICLE SEVEN AND THE FINDINGS IN, UM, ARTICLE EIGHT. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT DETAILED EVALUATION IS IN YOUR PACKET AND HAPPY TO ELABORATE ON ANY, [01:35:01] ANY OF THOSE, BUT NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH ALL THOSE DETAILS UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO. UM, AND AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, WE WOULD BE REVIEWING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THROUGH THE SINGLE FAMILY REVIEW PROCESS IF THIS MOVES FORWARD. UM, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, ADOT, AND THE FIRE DISTRICT, AND THEY ALL, UM, APPROVED THE, OR WERE OKAY WITH THE PRELIMINARY LAYOUT AND WILL REVIEW THE PERMITS, UM, AS NEEDED GOING FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY WITH THIS PROPERTY RIGHT ON 1 79 AND SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, AN EXTENSION OF THE PATH OF THE SHARED USE PATH ALONG 1 79 8 OUT WOULD NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN PERMITTING FOR THAT. UM, THE APPLICANT DID COMPLETE THEIR CITIZEN REVIEW PROCESS. UM, THAT REPORT IS IN YOUR PACKET. UM, ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS NOTICED, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE NEWSPAPER WITH THE POSTING ON THE PROPERTY AND A MAILING TO THE NEIGHBORS. AND WE HAVE PROVIDED ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS TO YOU. AND I BELIEVE WITH, I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS CAME IN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE FOR THIS ONE AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM, BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE GOTTEN ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED. UM, SO, UM, JUST LIKE IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM, THE COMMISSION IS TASKED WITH REVIEWING THE APPLICATION AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIAL BASED ON THE, UM, CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THE GENERAL APPROVAL CRITERIA IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 8.3 E FIVE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PLAT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS HAVE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL. OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? GOOD EVENING, MADAME CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. UH, MY NAME IS DAVID NIELLO. I'M WITH SEPTON ENGINEERING, AND, UM, WE'VE WORKED LONG AND HARDWOOD STAFF ON THIS TO GET IT TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE CODES AND POLICIES AND REQUIREMENTS, UH, SET FORTH IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND THE, UM, OWNER WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT THIS EVENING. HE CAME, HE BECAME ILL THIS AFTERNOON AND JUST WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT. SO HE APOLOGIZED FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. OKAY. MR. SEPTON? YES. DID YOU CARE TO MAKE ANY REMARKS OR NO? NO. DAVE DAVE'S HERE. DAVE'S MY PLANNER AND, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND CHRIS IS ONE OF MY ENGINEERS. OKAY. SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER THE COMMISSION'S THANK YOU QUESTIONS ARE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'LL TAKE IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. SURE. I HEARD SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS. WERE YOU HERE FOR THE EARLIER ? IT'S ALL PART OF IT, YEAH. OKAY. WELL, SO I HAD TO, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN BY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE BLIND CURVE OR SO-CALLED BLIND CURVE ON CHAPEL. UM, AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION BEING IN TOO CLOSE IN PROXIMITY TO THAT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M WELL TALKING, COULD YOU SPEAK TO COMING OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY INTO OUR, HERE COMING OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY ONTO CHAPEL VIEW? IS THAT WHAT OKAY. UM, BUT WE, WE DO HAVE SIDING. WE DO, WE DO MEET THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE FOR THAT AREA. UM, AND WE HAD TO LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF THIS, AND I THINK IT'S EVEN ON THE PLAT THAT THAT AREA HAS TO REMAIN CLEAR. SO WE HAVE CLEAR VISIBILITY. SO THERE ISN'T A BLIND CORNER, BUT IT, UM, BUT WE, LIKE I SAID, WE DO MEET THE VISIBILITY DISTANCE THAT BY IT AND I MEAN JUST, I'M JUST, THIS IS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL, BUT THAT, UM, THE DRIVEWAY SEEMS TO BE FROM FOR LOT ONE AND, AND LOT SIX, IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT SKEWED TOWARDS 1 79, THE DRIVEWAYS FOR LOT ONE AND SIX WILL HAVE TO COME OUT ON CHAPEL COURT. RIGHT. AND THEY'LL HAVE TO BE TOWARDS THE SOUTH END HERE. WELL, WHEN I SAY DRIVEWAY, I SHOULD SAY THE STREET CHAPEL COURT END. UM, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS IS, AND CAN YOU MAKE SURE, IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR MOVING THE, UM, CHAPEL PORT ROADWAY ENTRANCE? A LITTLE BIT, I GUESS CLOSER TO 1 79. JUST SKEWING IT A LITTLE MORE. I THINK THAT HANUKKAH MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT, THAT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS OF DISTANCE FROM 1 79. OKAY. UH, MINIMUM OF 175 FEET NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED FROM 1 79 AND I THINK THEY'RE JUST [01:40:01] ABOUT THERE. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET ANY CLOSER. OKAY. THAT'S ADOT RULE. OKAY. UM, BUT LUCKILY WE'RE GOING INTO A ROUNDABOUT THERE TOO, SO RIGHT. IT, IT'S MORE ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING ALONG THAT BLIND CURVE. OKAY. UM, THERE'S A, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRAIL VERSUS A SIDEWALK OR WAS THERE A, THERE'S A TRAIL ALSO. IS THAT, AM I CONFUSING MY PROJECTS? IS THERE A TRAIL ALSO? NO, NO. WE'RE THE SIDEWALK THERE. IN FACT, UP THERE ON CHAPEL ROAD RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE, TOURISTS, PARKING IN THERE OFF THE ROAD. AND SO WITH THE CURBING SIDEWALK FINISH ILLS, THEY KEEP PEOPLE FROM PARKING THERE AND STOP. RIGHT. I, I DIDN'T WANT THOSE BOULDERS TO HIT MY CAR CAR TODAY. SO, UM, OKAY. WELL, SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK FOR THE OWNER. IS THE OWNER PLANNING ON, UM, BUILDING THE HOMES OR SIMPLY? UM, HE'S A HOME BUILDER. OKAY. SO HE'LL PROBABLY HAVE CLIENTS THAT BUILD IT. HE'LL, HE'LL GO OUT AND SELL THE LOTS OR AND BUILD THEM FOR THE CLIENTS. AND PROBABLY IT WILL BE ALL THE SAME BUILDER. YEAH. YES. OKAY. UM, CAN YOU READ HIS MIND AND HAVE ANY IDEA ON DOWN THE ROAD WHEN HE IS AT THE POINT OF DOING CCNRS WHAT HIS INTENT IS? NOW THAT'S DIFFICULT. I'M, I DON'T KNOW, AND I, IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT I, I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. I'VE SEEN A LOT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ECONOMY GOING, CUTTING BACK. WE ACTUALLY CUT BACK ON A LOT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO IT KIND OF, THE ECONOMY KIND OF, UM, THE DOWNTURN IN IT KIND OF PUSHED IT ALL BACK. BUT, UM, THERE IS, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY PLANS THERE ARE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A GATED, UH, SUBDIVISION THERE. RIGHT. SO WHEN IT'S GATED AND IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD THAT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN AN HOA AND CCN R THEY WILL DO THAT AND, AND THEY GET TO MAKE A DECISION AND, BUT AT THIS POINT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS DECISION IS. GEE, I WISH WE KNEW THESE THINGS . I DO. UM, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IT WITHOUT REPEATING THE, UH, OTHER PROJECT. . THANK YOU. LYNN. DO YOU YOU HAVE ANYTHING THIS EVENING? NO, THE ONLY THING, UH, I WOULD SAY IS TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT CHARLOTTE MENTIONED, THAT I WOULD HOPE, UH, THE CCNRS WOULD HAVE A LIMITATION ON SHORT TERM RENTAL. WE'VE REALLY GOT A PROBLEM. I THINK PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING NEW HOMES. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMPEDIMENT FOR HIM TO SELL A HOME. SO, UH, I WOULD HOPE TO SEE THAT IN PLACE. THANK YOU GEORGE OR PETE. UM, FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I'D RATHER HAVE YOU ANSWER IT. UM, UH, A LOT OF CONCERNS BY THE COMMUNITY, UH, RELATE TO THE INGRESS EGRESS OFF OF CHAPEL ROAD RATHER THAN SKYLINE DRIVE. ANY PARTICULAR RATIONALE FOR THAT? WELL, UM, TO COME OFF OF CHAPEL, BECAUSE WE'RE COMING INTO A ROUNDABOUT, IT'S, IT CAN HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC BETTER THAN COMING IN THE OTHER WAY. IT WOULD ACTUALLY CAUSE UM, UM, SOME, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING IN AND HAVING TO MAKE A LEFT OR RIGHT ON A UNCONTROLLED INTERSECTION, WHEREAS YOU'RE SAYING 1 79 ON 1 79, YEAH. IT'S MUCH SAFER TO COME INTO THE ROUNDABOUT THAN IT WOULD BE OFF OF SKYLINE DRIVE. UM, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOUR ANSWER WOULD BE. YEAH. UH, SECOND THING IS, UM, UH, YOUR EMERGENCY EXIT ON SKYLINE DRIVE. UM, AGAIN, I MISSED THE SITE VISIT TODAY, I'M SORRY FOR THAT. BUT, UH, IS THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT GRADING THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR THERE? IS IT PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD GETTING FROM THE, IT'S IT'S PRETTY FLAT AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. I MEAN, WE HAVE, IF YOU SEE WE'RE GRADING OFF TO THE SIDE THERE, UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GRADE IT TO THERE, BUT IT'S ALMOST THE, THE, OUR, THE CUL-DE-SAC IS ALMOST AT THE SAME ELEVATION AS SKYLINE. SO IT'LL BE ALMOST FLAT AND, AND THAT, UH, EMERGENCY [01:45:01] ACCESS WILL BE GATED. YES. OKAY. BUT PEOPLE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THERE. YES. OKAY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING SIDEWALKS ON CHAPEL SKYLINE AND ALSO COMPLETING THE MULTI-USE PATH ON 1 79, CORRECT? YES. IS THAT A CITY REQUIREMENT? THAT IS A CITY. I, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ASKED, DON'T WANT TO SIDEWALK THERE, BUT IT IS A CITY REQUIREMENT. I MEAN, OF COURSE OUR DEVELOPER WOULD NOT LIKE TO DO IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO NOTE THE ONE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, WE'RE GONNA ALSO BE HOOKING UP TO SEWER. SO THERE'S ONE. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HELP ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS GET OFF THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM. UM, ALL THE UTILITIES ARE UNDERGROUND. YES. UM, ANY REASON WHY THE PUBLIC NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS A YEAR AGO? UM, WE DID IT A YEAR JUST GETTING THROUGH THE SYSTEM. I MEAN, I MEAN JUST, YEAH. YEAH, JUST IT'S BEEN IN THE, I MEAN WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE CITY FOR THE LAST YEAR, SO THERE'S A LOT OF TIME SITTING HERE WAITING. SO THEY STARTED THE PROCESS A YEAR AGO. UM, IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WE CAN ASK THEM TO REDO CITIZEN OUTREACH, BUT A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE, UM, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON HAVE NOT MATERIAL MATERIALLY IMPACTED THE LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION. SO. OKAY. SO THINGS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHERE THEY WERE A YEAR AGO. MM-HMM. AGAIN, DO YOU ANTICIPATE DOING MASS GRADING ON THE SITE OR MAINLY JUST GRADING IN THE, UH, THE ROADWAY? OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE YOU'RE JUST THE GRADING WITHIN THE ROADWAY, SO IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TO LANDSCAPE AND SO FORTH, THAT'LL OCCUR WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS ARE DEVELOPED? YES. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I'LL PUT ON CALL'S HUT ONCE AGAIN AND ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT SHE DID HERE. SHE'S, UH, ASKING ABOUT CHAPEL ROAD REALLY, AND WHETHER A STRAIGHT CURB INSTEAD OF A ROLLED CURB SIGN, NO PARKING AND PERHAPS A PAINTED CURB MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE HERE. I I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT TOO. I WAS AT THE TRAILHEAD FOR CHAPEL, UH, SIDEWALK SHARED USE PASS OPENING TODAY ON CHAPEL ROAD. YEAH. AND NOW THAT'S GONNA BE A NICE FINISHED OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. THIS MIGHT BE AN ATTRACTION FOR PEOPLE TO PARK TO GET ONTO THAT SPACE. AND SO JUST YOUR THOUGHTS, UM, WELL THAT'S PART OF WHY PUTTING A CURB OUT THERE IN THE SIDEWALK IS TO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PULLING IN ALONG THE DIRT THERE. YOU HAVE A ROLLED CURB THOUGH, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. UM, I CAN WORK WITH ENGINEERING TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, UM, ADDRESSING THAT OR SEEING IF WE NEED TO PUT SOME NO PARKING SIGNS THERE AS WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO PARK THERE. RIGHT. SO WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT NO PARKING SIGNS THERE. RIGHT. GOOD. I JUST HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ADOT TWO. SO , YEAH. WE DON'T YOU TO DO THAT. OH, SHE'S ALSO ASKING ABOUT, UH, ZERO ESCAPING LOW WATER USE, PERVIOUS PAVERS, THAT KIND OF THING IN THE PROJECT. THOUGHTS ABOUT THOSE TOPICS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT RIGHT NOW REALLY. UM, BUT WE, UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY CATCHING ALL THE WATER. IF YOU SEE WE HAVE A ROADSIDE DITCH THERE THAT REALLY DOING THAT SO THAT, UM, THE, THE STREET COULD HANDLE THE DRAINAGE JUST FINE CUZ IT'S NOT THAT MUCH, BUT JUST A CONTROL SEDIMENTATION AND, UH, SO DIRT DOESN'T RUN OFF AND THEN WE GET IT INTO OUR ROAD SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT TO KEEP IT CLEAN MM-HMM. AND THEN THAT GOES INTO OUR, UM, STORM WATER AND, UM, POLLUTION PREVENTION, UH, BASIN AND, UH, DETENTION THERE. AND WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT THINKING AND RECOMMENDATIONS RELATIVE TO PERVIOUS PAVERS AND DRIVEWAYS? UM, WHAT THE ONE OPTION IS LIKE DOING DECOMPOSED GRANITE ON THE, ON THE STREET AND STUFF, BUT THE EXPERIENCE I'VE HAD WITH IT, ESPECIALLY HERE IN SEDONA, IS THAT IT OFTEN STARTS RUTTING AND MOVING ON YOU AND THEN, UM, WHEN IT RAINS YOU START GETTING RIPPLES DOWN IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO YOU END UP HAVING TO DO, UM, UM, UH, CONDITION IT TO BE MORE STABLE, WHICH THEN REDUCES THE EFFECT OF DOING THAT. AND IT'S, IT'S BETTER PAVING RIGHT THERE. WE'LL KEEP IT IN PLACE [01:50:01] AND THEN WE HAVE THE DITCH TO CATCH THOSE RUNOFF FROM THAT. AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT. ARE YOU TALK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD VERSUS THE ROAD AND THE SIDEWALKS WHERE IT'S GONNA BE JUST COLORED SIDEWALKS BUT, AND THE DRIVEWAYS, IT'S JUST YEAH. AND THE DRIVEWAYS. AND THE DRIVEWAYS. UH, I DON'T, I HAVE NO CONTROL WITH THE DRIVEWAYS. THOSE, YEAH. UM, WHEN THEY DESIGN THAT, A LOT OF 'EM, THEY COULD DO PAVERS. THEY'RE MORE THAN, I MEAN A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THEM ON THEIR DRIVEWAYS. SURE. THAT BE YOU. RIGHT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD BE A BUYER OPTION OF WHAT KIND OF DRIVEWAY THEY WANNA PUT IN? UNLESS IT'S IN YOUR CC AND RS, UNLESS IT'S IN THE CC AND RS . I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT REGARDLESS OF DRIVEWAY MATERIAL THE CITY DOES, WOULD CONSIDER IT ALL IMPERVIOUS. JUST CUZ IT GETS PACKED DOWN SO WELL WITH CARS DRIVING OVER IT. SO, UM, WE WOULD TREAT IT THE SAME AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR IT. I DON'T THINK I HAD ANY OF MY OWN UNIQUE QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR. SO THAT'S ALL FOR ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PETE, THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC, UH, FOR PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE JUST ONE CARD. DID ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO US? OKAY. IF YOU'LL BRING THE CARD UP TO WELL I HAVE NO TIME. CAN I TAKE IT UP THERE AND THEN I'LL GIVE IT TO, OF COURSE. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN THAT SAME SITUATION WANTS TO SPEAK? HAVE YOU FILLED OUT A CARD? I'VE GOT ONE HERE. I HAVEN'T FILLED IT OUT YET. OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU FILL THAT OUT AND, OH, WHILE WE'RE WAITING, GEORGE ASH, CAN YOU COME ON UP? THANK YOU. THANK YOU MADDEN CHAIRMAN. I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THE SAME THING, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU SAT THROUGH THE PRIOR AGENDA ITEM, BUT IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU BET. THANK YOU. UH, GEORGE ASH. UH, RESIDENT SEDONA. I ACTUALLY LIVE ON WEST CHAPEL, UM, VERY NEAR THE DEVELOPMENT. COULD WE PULL A MAP OUT A LITTLE BIT? UM, I PRIMARILY WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE ROAD, UH, ISSUE, BUT I I DO WANNA MENTION THE, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I THOUGHT THE, THE RESPONSE WAS DISINGENUOUS. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY OPEN WITH US THAT THEY INTEND TO MAKE SHORT TERM RENTALS OUT OF THESE UNITS. UH, MYSTIC HILLS TO THE, UH, NORTH, UH, HAS AN HOA DOES NOT PERMIT SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND SO THIS IS A DIFFERENCE THAT I THINK IS WORTH, WORTH NOTING. AND I'M SURPRISED THAT THEY ARE NOT AS CANDID WITH YOU AS THEY HAD BEEN WITH US WITH RESPECT TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, EXPECTATION. MY CONCERN WITH THE, WITH THE ROAD, UH, I LIVE JUST ABOVE WHERE THE ROAD CURVES UP TO THE TOP. THERE IS A CURVE THAT'S QUITE STRONG AS YOU COME DOWN AROUND THE CORNER THAT I THINK, UH, IS GONNA CAUSE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM AS COMPARED WITH SKYLINE DRY, WHICH IS A STRAIGHT SHOT RIGHT DOWN TO 1 79. I RECOGNIZE ON PAPER IT LOOKS LIKE WITH A ROUNDABOUT RIGHT THERE, THAT THIS IS THE LOGICAL PLACE TO, UH, PUT THE ROAD. UH, BUT I DON'T THINK A TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN CONDUCTED. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CUL-DE-SAC. THERE ARE CARS THAT MAKE THE WRONG TURN ON CHAPEL. THEY GO UP THE ROAD. THERE ARE TOUR GROUPS THAT GO UP THE ROAD TO BUTTONWOOD. PEOPLE GET OFF AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS. UH, SO THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD THAN YOU MIGHT THINK IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT AN AERIAL VIEW, UH, OF A CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, WEST CHAPEL IS. SO I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ON SKYLINE, LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ON CHAPEL, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THIS. BECAUSE CLEARLY MOST OF THE TRAFFIC, THE REASON THE ROUNDABOUT IS THERE IS BECAUSE OF THE CHAPEL ON THE OTHER SIDE. BUT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES AROUND THAT CIRCLE, UH, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADD TO, UH, WITH THESE SIX, UH, UNITS. WE ALL KNOW THE PROBLEM PEOPLE HAVE WITH ROUNDABOUTS AND WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE WHO STOP AND IT'S JUST GONNA GET ALL JAMMED UP IF THAT'S THE WAY OUT OF THAT, UH, OUT OF THAT, UM, SUBDIVISION. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THAT IT, I THINK IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE ROAD, YOU SEE A, UM, AS YOU COME SOUTH OUTTA SEDONA, THERE IS A RIGHT TURN, UH, ROAD THAT YOU CAN GO TO MAKE A TURN ON THE SKYLINE. AND IF YOU CAME OUTTA SKYLINE AND YOU DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU WANTED TO GO TO SEDONA AND THE TRAFFIC WAS BAD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THE ROAD TO TURN LEFT. YOU CAN GO DOWN ONE BLOCK TO BACK AND BEYOND WHERE THERE'S ANOTHER ROUNDABOUT TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND GO BACK UP NORTH. AND SO IT, UH, I UNDERSTAND ON PAPER IT LOOKS LIKE THAT ROUNDABOUT IS THE BEST ROUTE, BUT [01:55:01] I WOULD URGE YOU TO DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S NOT THE BEST, UH, ROUTE FOR THOSE, UH, FOR THOSE SIX UNITS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE THE OTHER TWO CARDS? OH, OKAY. WAIT A MINUTE. COULD COULD YOU PASS THE CAR TO STAFF PLEASE? WELL, I JUST HAVE NOTES THAT I HAVE WRITTEN ON. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. YOU'VE THE NOTES ON, I GET IT CAUSE I WAS MAKING NOTES. YEP. LISTENING IS A SKILL AND I WAS LISTENING, PUTTING NOTES DOWN. WHY DON'T, UH, OKAY, GO AHEAD. UH, MY NAME IS JIM CAPULI. UH, MY WIFE AND I, WE LIVE IN SEDONA. UM, ACTUALLY YOU WERE JUST BY OUR HOUSE TODAY. WE HAVE THE FIRST HOME ON SKYLINE DRIVE, 55 SKYLINE. UM, TO TALK A COUPLE THINGS. TRAFFIC, UM, I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU MY WIFE AS MY WITNESS, WE HAVE OUR DRIVEWAY WHERE WE HAVE A RED ROCK WALL AND WE HAVE BOULDERS IN FRONT OF OUR RED ROCK WALL. WE MOVED IN PERMANENTLY IN 2016. THAT WALL, BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC, HAS BEEN HIT 15 TIMES JUST RECENTLY. SEDONA POST OFFICE. SO TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE ALREADY, NOT ONLY ON SKYLINE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT CHAPEL, BUT ON SKYLINE I CONSTANTLY, CUZ I HAVE THAT CORNER HOME, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO I ACTUALLY HAD A PERSON PULL INTO MY DRIVEWAY, DRIVE OVER MY WALL AND TAKE OFF. UM, SO TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE. UM, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, AND I LEARNED FROM MY NEIGHBOR WHO BUILT THEIR HOME JUST RECENTLY NEXT DOOR TO ME IS I HAD ASKED ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THESE HOMES AND THE LAYOUT AND WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE. I'D LEARNED THE HARD WAY, UH, THAT THERE ARE WHAT YOU CALL ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS, WHICH ALLOWS HEIGHTS OF THE HOME. AND SO I WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT FOR THIS BECAUSE AS I, UH, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS HERE, PATTY, I DUNNO IF SHE STILL WORKS HERE. PATTY SAID TO ME WHEN I ASKED ABOUT HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, I DON'T OWN THE VIEWS IN SEDONA AND I DO NOT, BUT I MOVED HERE BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND I'M FROM CHICAGO AND I WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. SO I HAD A QUESTION ON THE HEIGHT, WHAT IS THAT ALL GOING TO LOOK LIKE? AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD, UH, REGARDING, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY TIRED OF HEARING IT, BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS EACH AND ONE OF YOU ON THE COMMISSION. UM, AND I THINK ALL THE PEOPLE HERE WHO LIVE IN SEDONA WILL AGREE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE A MAJOR PROBLEM. I, FROM EXPERIENCE HAD A MAN IN MY HOT DRIVEWAY. HE THOUGHT MY HOME WAS A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND HE WANTED TO FIGHT ME IN MY DRIVEWAY, FIGHT IN MY DRIVEWAY. THIS IS WHERE I LIVE. THIS IS WHERE WE ALL LIVE. HOW IS THIS SAFE? IT IT, IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK. I HAD TO PUT THREE BIG BOULDERS ON A DRIVEWAY OFF OF MY PROPERTY CUZ I ALSO OWNED THE LOT IN FRONT CUZ I LOVE SEDONA. SO I BOUGHT THE LOT TO KEEP IT AS IS. I HAD PEOPLE THROWING ALL THEIR GARBAGE BEER BOTTLES, WINE BOTTLES, AND FOR SOME REASON, BREAD, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT LOAF OF BREAD, LOAF OF BREAD. AM I LYING, HANNAH? SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S A MAJOR ISSUE. AND I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY TIRED OF IT, BUT WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT THE END IS, SOMEONE WILL BE KILLED. AND I, I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE MAN WANTED TO FIGHT IN MY DRIVEWAY. HE WAS DRUNK, HE WAS AT THE WRONG HOUSE AND HE WANTED TO FIGHT. AND, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, IT'S HORRIBLE AND LIVING OFF A SKYLINE, UM, I I WANNA SAY IN OUR COMMUNITY OFF OF SKYLINE, AND I MAY BE WRONG, 25, 30% ARE AIRBNB, SHORT TIME RENTAL, SHORT TORN RENTALS, AND IT'S JUST A MESS. UM, WE MOVED HERE, AS I SAID IN 2016, AND I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU THE FIRST TWO YEARS WERE GLORIOUS. I KNEW EVERYBODY BY THEIR CARS WHEN THEY CAME INTO THE COMMUNITY WITH MY DOG, WE WOULD WAVE. WE KNEW EVERYONE. NOW NOT SO MUCH NOW, I DON'T WANT 'EM TO HIT MY DRIVEWAY. SO ANYWAYS, I JUST THANK YOU. THANK YOU . AND THE THIRD AND LAST, UH, CARD THAT I HAVE FILLED OUT IS FOR JAMES BLAIR. HI. UM, I NEED TO HAVE YOU, CAN YOU ZOOM IN REAL CLOSE TO SKYLINE DRIVE PLEASE? I HEARD SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK AMONG SKYLINE DRIVE. IS THAT TRUE? YES, [02:00:01] YES. OKAY. MY, MY ISSUE IS, IS THAT IF THAT IS REALLY AN EMERGENCY EXIT, SKYLINE DRIVE IS JUST A HAIR OVER ONE AND A HALF CARS WIDE, AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO NEGOTIATE PAST SOMEBODY COMING UP. AND IT'S, TO ME, IT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION. AND IF THAT'S AN EMERGENCY EXIT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A TURNING RADIUS THAT WILL SUPPORT A LADDER TRUCK. IS THAT CORRECT? OR THE FIRE TRUCK? I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY, YOU'VE GOT AN IN AND AND OUT. UM, I'M PRESUMING THAT AN EMERGENCY WILL CAUSE THE FIRE TRUCK TO COME INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC AND OUT ON THE SKYLINE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WIDEN THE ROAD. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SIDEWALKS AND DRESSINGS THAT, UH, SUPPORT THAT. AND THE THING THAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE PARKING. WE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, YOU SEE WHERE THE WORD SKYLINE IS AND YOU SEE THE DOTTED LINES JUST ABOVE IT, THAT'S A CULVERT. AND WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON THE CULVERT SIDE, LEAVING ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEIR PASSENGERS TO GET OUT AND IN. AND IT'S JUST A VERY UNSAFE SITUATION. AND IT FALLS ALONG WITH, UH, JIMMY OVER HERE, UH, AND HIS CONCERN. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE PLEASE, YOU KNOW, ACCURATELY IN, IN A DETAILED WAY, DESCRIBE EXACTLY HOW THAT INTERFACE IS GONNA BE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO OTHERS CARE TO SPEAK. AND I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. UH, I WONDER IF STAFF WOULD ADDRESS, UM, WELL FIRST I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE ASSERTION ABOUT IT BEING MARKETED FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. YEAH. AND THEN JUST A MINUTE, MR. SEPTON. AND THEN HIS STAFF COULD, UH, COMMENT ON, UH, THE NEED FOR OR INTEREST IN A TR TRAFFIC STUDY TO DETERMINE THE BEST ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THIS, UH, PROPOSED NEW SUBDIVISION. AND THEN JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UH, RESIDENTIAL HEIGHTS. UM, NOT SO MUCH ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS, BUT MAX, UH, AND UH, LASTLY THE CONCERN RAISED ABOUT, UH, FIRE EMERGENCY, UH, ACCESS. GO AHEAD. UM, WELL FIRST I, I APOLOGIZE. I, I HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER ABOUT STRS, SO I, THAT IF HE'S HAD THAT WITH THE NEIGHBORS, I, I'LL RELY ON THEM. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE I'VE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION, SO, ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING AS CLEAR. UM, THE FIRE ACCESS WILL WILL GET THAT APPROVED THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS. UM, ONLY, I MEAN, OF COURSE, I MEAN, IF THE DEVELOPER WOULD CERTAINLY NOT WANT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA COST MORE MONEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, BUT IT IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE TO HAVE THAT. UM, AND WE CAN, AGAIN, WHEN WE COME THROUGH WITH THE FINAL PLANS, WE CAN LOOK AT THE, THE HOW IT, HOW THE, IT INTERACTS WITH SKYLINE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I MEAN THAT, THOSE WERE GOOD, GOOD SUGGESTIONS. SO WE WILL MM-HMM. MAKE A LOOK AT THAT. UM, THE HEIGHT, UM, NO, I'LL HAVE ADDRESS DEFER TO CARRY ON THAT ONE. YEAH. OKAY. THE OTHER TWO, I THINK THAT, BUT, UH, HEIGHT AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS RAISED. HANUKAH, DO YOU WANNA, SO WE DO NOT REQUIRE TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR HOUSING PROJECTS WITH FEWER THAN 10 UNITS. I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY AT THE BEGINNING? OH, WE WOULD NOT REQUIRE, WE DON'T REQUIRE TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR PROJECTS LESS THAN 10 UNITS. SO IT WOULD BE A COURTESY IF THEY DID PROVIDE ONE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN HAS THAT BEEN EVALUATED WHETHER IT, IT WAS NECESSARY REGARDLESS OF THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR EXECUTING ONE, IF YOU FIND IT NECESSARY? EXCUSE ME. I HAVE A POINT. WE DID PERFORM A TRAFFIC GENERATION STUDY AND WE CONCLUDED THAT THE TRAFFIC WAS INSIGNIFICANT, UM, DURING PEAK HOURS. JUST TALKING ABOUT AN ALTERNATE ACCESS, I THINK IS WHAT THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY IS TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, IN GENERAL, WE, OUR, OUR STANDARD WOULD BE TO ENCOURAGE ACCESS AT CONTROLLED INTERSECTIONS, WHICH IS WHAT THE ROUNDABOUT IS. SO I THINK THAT IF THEY HAD PROPOSED SOMETHING THAT SHOWED THE, UM, SUBDIVISION ACCESSING ON SKYLINE, WE WOULD'VE HAD MORE CONCERNS. WE WOULD'VE MIGHT HAVE ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHY THAT INSTEAD OF CHAPEL. BUT BECAUSE OUR STANDARD IS TO HAVE ACCESS AT THE CONTROLLED INTERSECTIONS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, WE, UM, WE DIDN'T REQUIRE FURTHER STUDY. THANK YOU. AND THEN FOR HEIGHTS, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. OH, YEAH. IS IT STILL STANDARD PLANNING PRACTICE THAT, UH, ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT GENERATES 10, UH, TRIPS PER DAY? ON AVERAGE? IT'S, IT'S IN THAT AREA, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN FOR RESIDENTIAL HEIGHTS, IT IS A, IT'S COMPLICATED, IT'S . UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE LOOK AT WHERE YOU'RE PLACING THE BUILDING, [02:05:01] UM, WITHIN THAT BUILDING FOOTPRINT, UH, WE FIND THE HIGH POINT AND THERE IS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT FROM THAT HIGH POINT. AND THEN AS THE LOT SLOPES DOWN, THERE ARE SOME ALLOWANCES TO GO TOP. SO IT'S 22 FEET FROM THE HIGH POINT, AND THEN AS THE LOT SLOPES DOWN MM-HMM. , UM, THERE ARE ALLOWANCES TO GO TALLER ON THOSE LOWER PORTIONS OF THE LOT MM-HMM. BASED ON THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE AND THE COLOR OF THE HOUSE. SO MAYBE THAT SPEAKER COULD GET IN TOUCH WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOP AND YOU COULD KIND OF SUPERIMPOSE SOME OF THESE PLANES ON THE PLANS. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF? UM, WELL, IT WASN'T FOR STAFF, IT WAS FOR THE ARE YOU A TRAFFIC ENGINEER OR YOU JUST OH, I'M, I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. MY NAME IS, MY NAME'S CHRIS. I, I WORK FOR LUKE. I'M AN ASSOCIATE ENGINEERING TRAINING. OKAY. COULD I ASK HER? YES, OF COURSE. OKAY. CHRIS, YOU MENTIONED YOU DID SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC COUNT OR WHATEVER AND YOU SAID IT WAS SIGNIFICANT. COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT? YOU DID IT FOR CHAPEL ROAD, YOU DID IT FOR SKYLINE. WHAT WE PERFORMED JUST A TRA TRAFFIC GENERATION JUST BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENCIES THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT THERE. AND WE CONCLUDE THAT IT WAS INSIGNIFICANT. OH, INSIGNIFICANT. VERY SMART. CORRECT. OKAY. I CAN BUY 'EM OVER THE COUNTER, SO I'LL LOOK INTO THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CHARLENE? NO, THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE, LYNN? NO, THE, THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE POTENTIALLY CONSIDERABLY MORE IF IT WAS SHORT TERM RENTAL. COULD BE. I WOULD SAY, UM, THE GOOD THING IS, I, I MEAN, I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 35 YEARS. I'VE SEEN THESE, I DON'T LIKE ROUNDABOUTS. UM, UM, BUT THIS ADO, THIS ROUNDABOUT WAS DESIGNED TO HANDLE, I MEAN, LUCKILY WITH THE ROUNDABOUT THERE AND THE CLOSENESS FOR, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING THROUGH A BUNCH OF NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'RE RIGHT TO THE HIGHWAY. SO THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE IMPACT IS MM-HMM. . THANK YOU. DOWN HERE, GENTLEMEN. OKAY, PETE? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. SO I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR EMOTION IF, UH, WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR NEED ANY CLARIFICATION OR ANY COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT, BUT IT'S REALLY BEATING THIS INTO THE GROUND, ON SURE. TERM RENTAL THAT, UM, IT'S AN A SIX HOME DEVELOPMENT SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. AND I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE TO HAVE, UH, SO MUCH ANGST, ALTHOUGH IT'S APPROPRIATE ANGST AROUND IT, A LOT OF IT TO DO WITH THE SHORT TERM, UH, RENTAL, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACTS. SO I'M HOPING THAT, UM, YOU'LL CONSIDER DOING, UM, CCN RS AND LIMITING THAT. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. THEY'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT UNDER WITH THE GOAL OF THE COMMISSION, WOULD CONCUR. GOOD. THANK YOU. I'LL ENTERTAIN OUR MOTION, PLEASE. I'LL TAKE IT. LYNN, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 2114 SUB CHAPEL VIEW TERRACE BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 IN 8.5, AND SATISFACTION OF THE SUBDIVISION FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. SECOND, PLEASE. ALL SECOND DAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES. FIVE. THANK YOU COMMISSION. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO [7. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS] FUTURE MEETING NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. SO WE CURRENTLY DO, LET'S, WE'LL WAIT A SECOND. SECOND. YEAH. YOU SEE THE MAN THAT'S LEAVING WITH THE DARK SHIRT KIND, BALD GUY? MM-HMM. , I THINK HE MIGHT BE ONE. SO HE WAS IN ROOM. WE'RE STILL IN HEARSAY. MM-HMM. , BUT [02:10:01] DIDN'T OH, OH, PNC. I'M SORRY. YEAH, I HAVE HEARING AIDS ON. THEY DIDN'T DO ME HECK, WHOLE HECK OF A LOT OF GOOD. OH, OKAY. OKAY. SO FOR TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT AGENDA, SO THAT'D BE CANCELED. UM, ON NOVEMBER 15TH, WE UM, WILL LIKELY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION FOR THE ARABELLA SPA PROJECT, WHICH YOU SAW AS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, I THINK EARLIER THIS YEAR. UM, WE'RE WAITING ON A COUPLE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO GET IN, UM, BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, SO WE CAN DO THE NOTICING NEXT WEEK. AND SO WE'LL KNOW IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS FOR SURE. BUT IS THAT THE ONLY THING ON THAT AGENDA? THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING ON THAT AGENDA. OH, OKAY. SO, WELL, GOSH, THIS COULD BE PETE'S LAST MEETING. NO, IT'S, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE FIRST AND THEY DON'T, ARBEL DOESN'T COME IN. I DID TALK TO HIM THIS AFTERNOON, OR I DID HEAR FROM HIM THIS AFTERNOON, AND HE IS PLANNING ON GETTING EVERYTHING TO US. SO I, I WOULD SAY IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY HIGH CERTAINTY THAT WE'LL HAVE. OKAY. SO THIS ISN'T YOUR LAST. ALRIGHTY, GOOD. WE'LL HANG ONTO YOU FOR THE VERY END. HAVE MY BABY SHOWER NEXT MEETING. ME. THANK YOU, CARRIE. UH, SO LET'S ADJOURN AT 6 55. OKAY. THANK YOU. STAFF. ALL OF THE EXTRA STAFF THAT SHOWS UP FOR US. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.