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[1. Call to Order/Pledge of Allegiance/Moment of Silence/Roll Call]
SO LET'S CALL TO ORDER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 25TH, 2022 AT 4:30 PM WOULD YOU ALL RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE, MY PLEDGE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH THE LIBERTY.AND NOW WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
AND PLEASE SILENCE ANY ELECTRONIC DEVICES YOU HAVE WITH YOU.
MADAME CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL A ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR MOYARDY.
[2. City’s Vision]
THE AGENDA IS THE CITY'S VISION STATEMENT.THE DIVISION THAT CITIZENS HAVE FOR THE FUTURE OF THEIR CITY IS TO BE A CITY THAT IS CONSTANTLY VISIONLY OVER THE PRESERVATION OF ITS NATURAL BEAUTY, SEEING EXIST AS PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT AND CULTURAL HERITAGE TO BE BE A CITY THAT RETAINS ITS SMALL TOWN CHARACTER AND CREATES ITS MANMADE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S STRICT TERM HARMONY WITH NATURE TO BE A CITY THAT IS ANIMATED BY THE ARTS AND LIVES WITH THE SPIRIT OF VOLUNTEERISM TO HELP ACHIEVE OUR COMMON GOALS.
TO BE A CITY THAT OFFERS EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL AND FOSTERS THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY TO BE A CITY THAT WELCOMES AND ACCOMMODATE ALL OF ITS VISITORS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS.
THE SPIRIT OF FELLOWSHIP, TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS AND ENHANCES A STRONG, VITAL ECONOMY, WHICH PRESERVES EXISTING LIFESTYLES WITHOUT EXPLOITING THE NATURAL BEAUTY.
AND THEN FINALLY, TO BE A CITY THAT WAS UP TO THE CHALLENGE OF STEWARDSHIP OF ONE OF THE EARTH'S GREAT TREASURES.
[3. Consent Items - Approve]
ITEMS. IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE IT.I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS SECOND, A THROUGH F.
SECOND, MOVED BY COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON, SECOND BY COUNSELOR THOMPSON.
AND FOLLOWING THAT, ITEM FIVE IS
[5. Summary of Current Events by Mayor/Councilors/City Manager]
SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS.ANYBODY HAVE CURRENT EVENT? VICE MAYOR BRUCE.
UH, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF EVENTS ON, UM, THE SCHEDULE FOR PARKS AND REC, UH, MORE THAN I CAN READ TODAY.
BUT THE BIGGEST EVENT I WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF IS THE UPTOWN SAFE TRICK OR TREAT IS HALLOWEEN.
THE SIGNATURE EVENT RETURNS MONDAY, OCTOBER 31ST FROM FIVE TO EIGHT SEDONA PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND UPTOWN MERCHANTS WILL HOST A SAFE AND FUN TRICK OR TREATING IN THE UPTOWN AREA.
UH, TRICK OR TREATERS CAN EXPECT THE SAME GREAT EXPERIENCE OFFERED BY A VARIETY OF VARIETY OF SHOPS AND PARENTS WILL APPRECIATE THE SAFE ENVIRONMENT MANAGED BY THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND AS VOLUNTEERS, IN ADDITION TO TREATS, ATTENDEES MAY CHOOSE, UH, TO COMPETE IN A SMOKE, A SPOOKY, EXCUSE ME, A SCAVENGER HUNT FOR A CHANCE TO WIN PRIZES DONATED BY THE UPTOWN MERCHANTS.
ATTENDEES ARE ENCOURAGED TO CATCH THE FREE SHUTTLE, UH, RUNNING FROM POSSE GROUNDS PARK IN THE PARK AND RIDE LOT.
AS I SAID, THERE'S A LOT MORE ON THE SCHEDULE, SO PLEASE CHECK OUT THE CITY WEBSITE.
WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING UPTOWN, BUT YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING, THE LIBRARY IS HAVING A READING, UM, BY, BY A PROFESSIONAL STORYTELLER, UM, OF
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SCARY STORIES AROUND THEIR, IN THEIR COURTYARD, UM, WHICH THEIR NEW COURTYARD AND AROUND THE FIRE PIT.IT'S NOT FOR KIDS NECESSARILY, IT'S FOR ADULTS.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN UPTOWN, BUT YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING THAT IS JUST A WONDERFUL, UM, WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY.
SPEAKING OF THE COURTYARD, WHAT TIME IS IT? OH, FIVE 30 AROUND THE FIRE PIT.
I HAVE THE OPEN THE COURTYARD, UM, WHICH THE LIBRARY IS JUST FINISHED COMPLETING IS GOING TO BE FORMALLY OPENED ON NOVEMBER TH 13TH.
UM, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE PLACE FOR GATHERING.
UM, IT'S, IT'S BETWEEN THE LIBRARY AND THE, UM, FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY BOOKSTORE.
IT'S THE LIBRARY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY IN SO VERY MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND NOW IT'S GOT A COURTYARD TO SORT OF CEMENT THAT, UM, REPUTATION.
AND WHEN THE, WHEN THE SHARED USE PATH IS DONE, PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO BIKE OR WALK THERE SAFELY, BUT THAT'S IN THE FUTURE.
SO IF, UH, PLA EVERYBODY'S INVITED ON NOVEMBER 13TH FROM THREE TO THREE 30.
ANYBODY ELSE? HOLLY? I HAVE SOME ACTIVITIES AT THIS SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO ANNOUNCE VOICES FROM THE GRAVE IS GONNA BE ON OCTOBER 28TH AND 29TH.
AND EVEN IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE AND SEEN IT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NEW CHARACTERS THIS YEAR.
SOME OF THOSE CHARACTERS WE MIGHT HAVE SEEN HERE AT COUNCIL OR LAST MEETING.
UH, AND TICKETS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE, UM, WEBSITE OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
ALSO, THEY'RE HAVING A HAUNTED HISTORY ON OCTOBER 30TH AT 3:00 PM AND, UH, YOU'LL HEAR GHOSTLY TALES.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GHOSTLY TALES HAPPENING, AREN'T THERE? THERE'S A LOT OF GHOSTLY TALES.
SO REAL HORROR STORIES THAT'S AT THE MUSEUM.
UH, LOCAL ACTOR AND STORYTELLER, MIKE PEACH WILL SHARE TRUE STORIES ABOUT GHOSTLY ENCOUNTERS.
AND HALLOWEEN FUN TICKETS ARE $6 AND AVAILABLE AT THE DOOR.
THAT'S ON OCTOBER 30TH AT 3:00 PM AND AT THE, AT THE MUSEUM.
AND ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC FORUM.
JOANNE, ARE THERE ANY CARDS? NO, MA'AM.
AND FOLLOWING THAT PROCLAMATIONS,
[7. Proclamations, Recognitions, & Awards]
WE HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS TODAY.THE FIRST ONE IS SEDONA KINDNESS DAY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO READ IT, AND THEN I WILL PRESENT IT TO, UH, JOHN MCKINLEY AND JOYCE SENATE, WHOEVER WANTS TO DO THAT HONOR.
WHEREAS KINDNESS GIVES BIRTH TO KINDNESS SOPHOCLES.
AND WHEREAS KINDNESS IS THE LANGUAGE THE DEAF CAN HEAR, AND THE BLIND CAN SEE MARK TWAIN.
AND WHEREAS DEEDS OF KINDNESS ARE EQUAL IN WEIGHT TO ALL THE COMMANDMENTS, THE TAL MODE.
AND WHEREAS KINDNESS IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE HUMAN CONDITION, WHICH BRIDGES THE DIVIDES OF RACE, RELIGION, POLITICS, AND GENDER.
AND WHEREAS IN 1998, WORLD KINDNESS DAY WAS INTRODUCED BY THE WORLD KINDNESS MOVEMENT TO HIGHLIGHT GOOD DEEDS IN ALL COMMUNITIES, FOCUSING ON THE POSITIVE POWER AND THE COMMON THREAD OF KINDNESS THAT BINDS US ALL.
AND WHEREAS A GROUP OF SEDONA CITIZENS FORMED SEDONA KIND TO HELP SPREAD KINDNESS AND ENCOURAGE ACTS OF KINDNESS LOCALLY AND AROUND THE WORLD, AND TO URGE ALL CITIZENS TO CREATE THEIR OWN ACTS OF KINDNESS, TO PAY IT FORWARD, AND TO MATCH THE MAGIC AND TRANSFORMATIVE POWERS OF OUR RED ROCKS WITH THE KINDNESS OF ALL THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE HERE NOW, THEREFORE, I SANDY MORIARTY, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, IN RECOGNITION OF THE HISTORICAL VALUE AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMITMENT TO OBSERVING A DAY TO CELEBRATE KINDNESS DUE HEREBY PROCLAIM SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH, 2022, AS SEDONA KINDNESS DAY, AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS OF SEDONA TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND TAKE TO HEART THE STATEMENT BY SENECA, WHEREVER THERE IS A HUMAN BEING, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE KIND.
ISSUED THIS 25TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2022, JOHNNY AND JOY
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SURE YOU THINK WELL, THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR AND COUNSEL, CITY COUNSELORS, UM, SEDONA KIND.WE ARE HONORED TO BE THE KEEPERS OF THIS PROCLAMATION FOR THE FIFTH.
I THINK IT'S THE FIFTH, BUT I CAN'T DO MATH AFTER FOUR O'CLOCK, UM, FIFTH YEAR.
AND WE ARE SO GRATEFUL THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS VALUED OUR MISSION TO ENCOURAGE ACTS OF KINDNESS LARGE AND SMALL, LOCALLY AND AROUND THE WORLD.
LAST YEAR WHEN I PICKED THIS UP, I SAID, THIS IS A YEAR WHEN KINDNESS IS NEEDED.
MORE THAN EVER, GONNA SAY IT AGAIN.
WELL, THIS YEAR, I FEEL EVEN MORE STRONGLY THAN EVER ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE HAD ALL THOUGHT THAT BY NOW THINGS WOULD BE BACK TO NORMAL.
COVID WOULD BE A THING OF THE PAST, AND OUR COMMUNITY COULD GET ON WITH GATHERING AND WORKING TOGETHER IN HARMONY TO MAKE SEDONA THE MAGICAL PLACE THAT IT IS.
BUT FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS ARE STILL GETTING SICK.
AND NATIONAL AND LOCAL POLITICS ARE MAKING PEOPLE FRUSTRATED, DISAPPOINTED, AND EVEN ANGRY.
AND THE ONE THING THAT SOOTHES AND SMOOTHS Z'S EMOTION IS KINDNESS.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS PROCLAMATION AGAIN.
TO KICK OFF OUR SEASON OF KINDNESS 2022, WE'RE PRESENTING A SPECIAL SCIENCE OF KINDNESS PROGRAM AT OLLIE.
ON NOVEMBER 10TH, OUR BLESSING BAGS FOR THE HOMELESS VETERANS WILL BE DELIVERED ON VETERANS DAY, OUR TRADITIONAL MOVIE.
AND THIS YEAR, IT IS THE KINDNESS OF STRANGERS.
WE'LL HAVE TWO SHOWINGS AT THE MARY FISHER THEATER ON WORLD KINDNESS DAY NOVEMBER 13TH.
WE HAVE 976 HAND KNITTED HATS, WHICH WILL BE DELIVERED TO OUR KIDDOS AT THE SCHOOLS RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
AND OUR GRATITUDE TREES WILL BEGIN POPPING UP IN THE SCHOOLS AT THE LIBRARY, AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND AT THE OLLIE CAMPUS HERE IN SEDONA.
AND THEY WILL REMAIN UP THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS.
SO AGAIN, WE ACCEPT THIS WITH DEEP GRATITUDE, WHICH OF COURSE GOES HAND IN HAND WITH KINDNESS.
AND WE GIVE YOU OUR WORD THAT SEDONA KIND WILL CONTINUE ITS MISSION WITH ENERGY, PASSION, AND COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY.
I HAVE A NEW QUOTE TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS YEAR.
IT IS AN ATTITUDE, AN EXPRESSION, A LOOK, A TOUCH.
IT IS ANYTHING THAT LIFTS UP ANOTHER PERSON.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE PLATO KNEW BEST.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
OKAY, THE SECOND PROCLAMATION IS TOYS FOR TOTS.
IT IS THE 75TH ANNIVERSARY OF TOYS FOR TOTS.
SO WHEREAS THE MARINE CORPS RESERVE TOYS FOR TOTS PROGRAM IS CELEBRATING ITS 75TH ANNIVERSARY YEAR IN 2022, PROVIDING HOPE AND THE MAGIC OF CHRISTMAS TO OVER 281 MILLION LESS FORTUNATE CHILDREN FOR OVER SECOND DECADE, OVER SEVEN DECADES.
TOYS FOR TOTS WAS CREATED IN 1947 BY RESERVE MAJOR BILL HENDRICKS, WITH THE PROGRAM EXPANDING NATIONWIDE IN 1948.
AND WHEREAS TOYS FOR TOTS IS ACTIVE IN ALL 50 STATES, WASHINGTON, DC, PUERTO RICO, GUAM, AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, IN OVER THREE 830 COMMUNITIES, TOYS FOR TOTS RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM OVER 50,000 VOLUNTEERS EACH FALL, HELPING TO COLLECT, SORT, AND DISTRIBUTE AN AVERAGE OF 18 MILLION TOYS TO 7 MILLION LESS FORTUNATE CHILDREN ANNUALLY.
AND WHEREAS SEDONA TOYS FOR TOTS WAS FIRST SPONSORED IN 2009 BY THE SEDONA MARINE CORPS LEAGUE DETACHMENT 1237, WHICH NOW HAS EVOLVED INTO SEDONA AREA VETERANS AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH SAB CO.
AND WHEREAS SEDONA COORDINATORS CAN, KAREN AND LEONARD BARROW WERE SELECTED AS REGION SIX LCO COORDINATORS OF THE YEAR IN 2021.
REGION SIX INCLUDES 127 CAMPAIGNS IN 10 WESTERN STATES AND GUAM.
AND WHEREAS DURING 2021, SEDONA TOYS FOR TOTS DISTRIBUTED 3,938 TOYS TO 1,155 CHILDREN IN THE SEDONA AREA, 70 FORTUNATE CHILDREN ALSO RECEIVED BICYCLES AND HELMETS.
SEDONA TOYS FOR TOTS CONTINUES TO SERVE CHILDREN IN SEDONA, BEAVER CREEK, OAK CREEK SCHOOL, AND THE HOPI SCHOOL.
NOW, THEREFORE, I SANDY MORIARTY, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL
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DUE HEREBY PROCLAIM THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH, 2022 AS TOYS FOR TOTS 75TH ANNIVERSARY.IN RECOGNITION OF ALL THE VOLUNTEERS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS WHO HAVE HELPED TO PROVIDE HOPE AND THE MAGIC OF CHRISTMAS TO LESS FORTUNATE CHILDREN ISSUED THIS 25TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2022.
LAST MONTH, KAREN AND I WENT TO WASHINGTON DC TO RECEIVE THE AWARD AS THE REGION SIX COORDINATORS OF THE YEAR.
WE'VE BEEN TO THIS CONFERENCE MANY TIMES, BUT THIS ONE WAS SPECIAL BECAUSE OF THE AWARD.
AND IT'S AMAZING WHEN YOU STAND UP IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE AND THEY READ OFF YOUR NAME FOR THE REGION AND EVERYTHING, AND THEY HAND YOU THE LITTLE TROPHY AND SO FORTH, AND YOU LOOK OUT AND YOU SEE 800 AND SOME OTHER COORDINATORS, BOTH MARINES AND CIVILIANS.
IT TELLS YOU HOW WONDERFUL THIS PROGRAM IS.
AND IT KIND OF IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW TO TONIGHT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.
THE KINDNESS DAY IS ALMOST ON THE SAME DATE AS OURS.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, SEDONA TOYS FOR TOTS DOES AN AWFUL LOT FOR KINDNESS IN THE SCHOOLS AND ITS KIDS IN THE, IN OUR AREA.
AND AGAIN, I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS THOUGHT, MARINES BELIEVE THAT EVERY CHILD DESERVES A LITTLE CHRISTMAS.
AND THANK YOU SO THAT YOU AND THE MARINE CORPS FOR ALL YOU DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
[8.a. AB 2858 Presentation/discussion/possible direction regarding the City of Sedona’s participation with Yavapai County Broadband Final Mile Initiative and Optima (formerly Suddenlink and Altice).]
NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT AND ITEM EIGHT A IS AB 28 58 PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE CITY OF SEDONAS PARTICIPATION WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY BROADBAND FINAL MILE INITIATIVE, AND OPTIMA, FORMERLY SU LINCOLN ALIES.GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
UM, BEFORE I GET STARTED, I JUST WANNA INTRODUCE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TO MY IMMEDIATE RIGHT IS, UH, COREY CHRISTIANS.
HE IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE LIBRARY DISTRICT WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY.
AND TO MY FAR RIGHT IS JIM CAMPBELL, HE'S THE VICE PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS WITH OPTIMUM.
UM, ALSO IN YOUR PACKET, I, UM, IT, IT'S SPELLED OUT OPTIMA, IT'S ACTUALLY ACTUALLY OPTIMUM.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT WAS CORRECTED.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, TO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO COREY HERE IS JUST A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, WE HEARD FROM YAPA PI COUNTY AND THEIR, UH, LAST MILE PROJECT.
UM, AND WE WERE ENTERTAINING HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
THE COUNTY HAS INVESTED SOME OF THEIR APA FUNDS IN DOING FINAL MILE, UH, BROADBAND DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF YABA PI COUNTY.
AND THAT WAS GONNA PROVIDE SOME OF THE MUNICIPALITIES THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO PARTNER WITH AN I S P, UH, THE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER, THE COUNTY, UH, HAD AN RFP PROCESS AND SELECTED OPTIMUM, WHO WAS FORMERLY T WHO WAS FORMERLY, UM, SUDDENLINK, UM, JUST TO, TO, TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, AND, AND INITIALLY WHEN WE MET WITH, UM, WITH OPTIMUM TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE COULD PARTNER AND LEVERAGE THIS OPPORTUNITY, WE IDENTIFIED UPWARDS OF 3000 LOCATIONS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE SERVED.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS WE STARTED MOVING FORWARD IN, IN THE PROCESS, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT, THAT THAT NUMBER, UM, WAS INCORRECT AND IT WAS CLOSER TO 150, UM, YOU KNOW, LOCATIONS THAT, THAT COULD BE SERVED.
UM, SO TODAY WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE THAT PROJECT IS.
RIGHT NOW, WE ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH OPTIMUM AND THE COUNTY AS, AS ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT EXPLORING LAST YEAR, AND, UM, WE HAVE INVITED, UH, YOU KNOW, MR. CHRISTIANS TO COME BACK HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE, AS WELL AS MR. CAMPBELL IS GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT OPTIMUM IS DOING IN SEDONA AND WHAT THOSE NEXT STEPS COULD LOOK LIKE TO BETTER SERVE OUR RESIDENTS.
JUST CLARIFICATION, WHAT IS, WHEN YOU SAY 150 LOCATIONS, WHAT'S THE LOCATION? THANK YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE TECHNICALLY WE'RE CALLING IT PASSINGS, BUT IT COULD BE A HOME OR RESIDENCE.
SO IT'S A CONNECTION CONNECTIONS, CORRECT.
SO 150, IT WENT FROM, UM, IT WAS AROUND 150 THAT COULD
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BE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THOSE ARPA FUNDS AND THOSE UNDERSERVED FUNDS.AND WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL NUMBER? 3000.
WE ASSU, WE THOUGHT IT WAS AROUND 3000 ORIGINALLY.
AND SO HOW DID IT GET FROM 3000 TO 150? I THAT, I THINK THAT IS A MME. MAYER, THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I, I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE, UM, UH, MR. CAMPBELL ADDRESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED NOW, OR IF YOU, WE WANNA MOVE THROUGH, UH, THE PRESENTATION WITH, UH, THE COUNTY FIRST.
AS LONG AS IT WILL COME UP FOR AN OPPORTUNITY DURING THE PRESENTATION, THAT'S FINE.
CAN IT BE HIGHLIGHTED SO THAT I'LL KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT
SO THANK YOU COUNCIL LORES WILLIAMSON WILL DEFINITELY DO THAT.
AND MAYOR, BEFORE, UM, MOLLY TURNS IT OVER TO COREY.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THE PACKET THAT THERE ARE TWO PRESENTATIONS.
ONE IS THE PRESENTATION FROM AUGUST, 2021, AND THIS PRESENTATION IS ALSO IN THE PACKET.
AND THIS IS THE CURRENT PRESENTATION.
SO JUST MAKING SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE AND ALL OF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PRESENTATION PULLED UP.
ALL RIGHT, COREY, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU HERE, MADAM MAYOR, MR. VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE YAVAPAI COUNTY BROADBAND INITIATIVE.
UM, AND WE'VE PROGRESSED A LOT FURTHER THAN WHEN WE, UH, INITIALLY HAD A PRESENTATION WITH YOU ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
SO, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED MOVING FORWARD WITH ALLOCATING $20 MILLION FOR BROADBAND ON, UH, AUGUST 18TH, 2021, ASSIGNING THE YAVAPAI, UH, COUNTY EDUCATION SERVICES AGENCY, OR THE COUNTY SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE TO LEAD THE PROCESS RFP Y C B I, WHICH STANDS FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY BROADBAND INITIATIVE.
0 0 1 WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2021.
SO THAT WAS A COMPLETE RFP THAT WENT OUT TO, UH, MANY DOZENS UPON DOZENS OF INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS, IF NOT HUNDREDS.
UH, THE PROPOSAL BY CSC HOLDINGS, LLC, ALSO KNOWN AS T C S A, ALSO KNOWN AS NOW OPTIMUM, UH, WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON MARCH 16TH, 2022, WITH $12.6 MILLION IN ARPA FUNDS ALLOCATED, UH, TO THE PROJECTS THEY WERE APPROVED FOR.
Y C B I 0 0 2 WAS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING, WHICH WAS HIRING SOMEBODY TO COORDINATE THE PROCESS.
WE DECIDED WE COULD DO IT INTERNALLY WITHOUT HAVING A CONSULTANT.
SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, RIGHTFULLY REJECTED THAT PROPOSAL TO HAVE SOMEBODY HANDLE IT.
SO ERNST AND YOUNG IS HELPING WITH THE FINANCIAL SIDE AND THE Y C E S A IS HANDLING MANAGEMENT OF THE BROADBAND PROJECT.
AND THEN LATER COX COMMUNICATIONS LLC.
IT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON APRIL 20TH, 2022 WITH $3.7 MILLION IN ARPA FUNDS TO DO PROJECTS IN BLACK CANYON CITY AND CONGRESS.
SO IN THE RFP, WE DID DO A VERY COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
THERE WERE MANY MONTHS SPENT ON THIS RFP, PROBABLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS LONGER THAN I WAS HOPING FOR, BUT IT WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND TREASURY KEPT CHANGING RULES, SO WE KEPT HAVING TO CHANGE THE RFP.
SO THE SCOPE OF WORK HAS PROVIDED IN THE SOLICITATION ENCOMPASS THE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, IMPLEMENTATION AND MAINTENANCE OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENTS AND SERVICES, PROVIDING LAST MILE INTERNET ACCESS TO COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY FOCUSED ON ENSURING UNSERVED OR UNDERSERVED HOUSEHOLDS AND BUSINESSES IN UNINCORPORATED PLATTED AREAS IN YAVAPAI COUNTY RECEIVE HIGH SPEED BROADBAND.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE COST SCORING MECHANISM WE HAD THERE FOR THE RFP, ZERO TO 30, GOING TO COST ZERO TO 20, GOING TO COST TO CONSUMER, UH, ET CETERA.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC KNOWS THEIR COST WHEN THE WHOLE PROJECT WAS COMPLETED, WAS A KEY PART OF DETERMINING WHICH INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH FOR OUR PROJECTS.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS COST EFFECTIVE.
SO THE, UH, CSC HOLDINGS PROPOSAL WAS FUNDED IN SOME KEY AREAS HERE, RIMROCK, INCLUDING LAKE MONTEZUMA IN BEAVER CREEK, COVILLE MAYOR, INCLUDING SPRING VALLEY IN CORDES LAKES, AS WELL AS MAYOR OF COURSE, AND PAULDEN, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PASSINGS, THIS WOULD BE RESIDENTS OR BUSINESSES THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONNECT TO THE NETWORK.
SO THEY'RE, THEY BASICALLY BUILD IT TO, UH, WHERE THEY CAN CONNECT TO IT.
AND THEN EACH RESIDENT OR BUSINESS OWNER HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO CONNECT TO ITS THEMSELVES.
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WHY THEY CALL IT A PASSING INSTEAD OF A CONNECTION, BECAUSE A CONNECTION WOULD IMPLY THAT THEY'RE PAYING TO CONNECT IT TO THE HOUSE, WHERE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS MAY NOT WANT THAT CONNECTION MADE TO THEIR HOUSE.SO 7,674 PASSINGS WERE FUNDED WITH $12,614,000 IN APA FUNDS SPENT FROM THE COUNTY WITH ANOTHER $25 MILLION, UH, FUNDED BY ALTIS FOR A TOTAL 37.8 MILLION IN PROJECT COSTS FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES.
33% OF THE PROJECT IS FUNDED THROUGH COUNTY ARPA FUNDS WITH 67% FUNDED THROUGH ALTIS UH, FUNDS.
SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA HERE IN COVILLE, UM, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE CONNECTING IN THAT AREA, UH, WHERE THEY WERE HOPING.
SOME AREAS OF THIS ARE, UH, OUTSIDE OF COVILLE, ACTUALLY, THIS IS THE SEDONA AREA PROJECT AREA OF COVILLE.
THIS IS WHERE THE PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL THAT WOULD'VE INCLUDED, UM, SOME OF, UH, THE UNIN, THIS, THE UN THE AREAS OF SEDONA.
THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE COVILLE.
THERE'S NO, THE CORN AREA'S DIFFERENT.
SO I, I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE THE WRONG MAP IN HERE, BUT THE COVILLE AREA WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING, UM, 295 PASSINGS IN THAT AREA, THIS WAS THE AREA THAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW.
THE MAP IS WHERE THE PROPOSAL WAS TO CONNECT IF THEONA AREAS AND THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK AREAS WERE PART OF THE SUCCESSFUL BID.
SO YOU, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS LIKE RED ROCK LOOP ROAD AND THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK ARE INCLUDED IN THE CORN BILL.
THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE CORN BILL.
I PUT THE WRONG MAP IN THERE, UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE AREA THAT WOULD'VE BEEN INCLUDED IF THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK AREA AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER AREAS WOULD'VE BEEN IN, UH, SELECTED FOR THE PROPOSAL.
CAN YOU TELL US WHY THEY WEREN'T SELECTED? UH, I WILL, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A COUPLE SLIDES DOWN INTO THE, BECAUSE I KNEW YOU GUYS WERE GONNA ASK THAT.
SO OF COURSE I TRIED TO ANTICIPATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, AND THAT'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE THE RIGHT MAP.
BUT THE, UH, UH, MAYOR HERE AREA THAT WAS SELECTED WAS 3,125 LOCATIONS.
YOU CAN SEE MAYOR, SPRING VALLEY, CORTIS, ALL THOSE AREAS THAT WERE SELECTED.
AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PASSINGS 3,125 THAT WERE PART OF THE PROPOSAL, P**N WAS ALSO SELECTED WITH 1,897 PASSINGS.
UH, THE RIM ROCK COMMUNITY CAN SEE IT'S QUITE A LOT THERE IN LAKE MONTEZUMA RING ROCK OR RIM ROCK AROUND THERE FOR 8.1 OR 8.2 FOR THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT WITH 2,357, UH, PASSINGS MET IN THAT AREA.
NOW, I HAVE A BIG NOTE HERE ON THE SIDE THAT CAMP VERDE, THIS, THIS WAS NOT APPROVED, BUT WAS PART OF THE PROPOSAL.
SO WE RECEIVED THIS QUESTION WHEN WE MET WITH THE VERDE, UH, VALLEY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND, UH, TOWN REPRESENTATIVES.
THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS AROUND CAMP VERDE WERE NOT SELECTED FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS THE PROPOSAL DID NOT BREAK OUT THE UNINCORPORATED AND INCORPORATED PASSINGS IN THOSE AREAS SO THAT THERE WAS NO WAY FOR THE FOLKS VIEWING THE PROPOSAL TO KNOW WHICH OF THOSE COUNT PASSINGS SHOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH ARPA FUNDS AND WHICH SHOULD NOT, CUZ ONLY COUNTY FUNDS COULD ONLY GO TOWARDS UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
SO THIS WAS, WHOSE PROPOSAL WAS THIS? IS THIS THE, THE INTERNET PROVIDER'S PROPOSAL? YES.
SO THESE COMPANIES, THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS PROPOSED TO BE DONE, THESE PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING IT BECAUSE THE PROPOSER DIDN'T BREAK THAT OUT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS A LOT OF LEGALITIES AND TECHNICALITIES THAT GO INTO THESE RFPS AND THE PROPOSALS.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT FILLED OUT CORRECTLY, THEY CAN'T BE CONSIDERED.
NOW, THERE WERE PARTS OF THE PROPOSAL IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS BECAUSE THERE WERE NO INCORPORATED AREAS NEAR THEM THAT THEY WERE CORRECT.
THOSE WERE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PASSINGS THE COUNTY COULD FUND IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.
SO IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE IF THE PROPOSALS WOULD'VE BEEN BROKEN OUT ACCORDING TO HOW IT WAS SPECIFIED IN THE RFP, THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS, UH, WOULD'VE BEEN FUNDED.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ARE UNINCORPORATED IN INCORPORATED PASSINGS ACCORDING TO THE THE PROPOSAL.
WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? WE ACTUALLY DID GIVE ALL ISPS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT A BEST AND FINAL OFFER, AND THE PROPOSALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN THAT BEST AND FINAL OFFER STILL DID NOT BREAK DOWN THAT NUMBER.
IF, UH, I COULD JUST ASK A QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND.
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MEETING THAT WE HAD BY, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS YOU OR REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COUNTY KY RIGHT.IT WAS SOMEBODY I WORK WITH, STAN GOLIGOSKI.
AND I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHO WAS REALLY GOING TO BE SERVICED IN THE VERDE VALLEY IN THE COUNTY AND IN SEDONA.
AND I WAS GIVEN REAL DEFINITE ANSWER OF EVERY HOME.
SO IF DID THE RFP GO OUT TO THE COMPANIES AND THEY JUST DECIDE TO ELIMINATE US? SO THERE, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE, THERE WAS A COMPANY ALT PUT IN A PROPOSAL TO BUILD OUT IN THIS AREA.
THE REASON WE COULD NOT SELECT THAT PROPOSAL FOR THIS AREA WAS THAT THE PASSINGS WERE NOT BROKEN OUT.
SO AS THE COUNTY, WE DID NOT KNOW WHICH ONES WE COULD PAY FOR OR HELP FUND AND WHICH ONES WE COULDN'T.
SO OUR, THE ARPA FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED WITH THE COUNTY WERE ONLY GONNA BE SPENT ON IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS, WHICH IS WHY WE CLEARLY PUT IN THE RFP THAT THAT DELINEATION NEEDED TO BE MADE.
AND THAT'S, I I UNDERSTAND YOU SAYING THAT NOW, BUT A YEAR AGO MM-HMM.
SO WHEN WE DO AN RFP, IF THE CONTRACTOR COMES BACK WITH A RESPONSE AND A BID AND THEY LEAVE THINGS OUT, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT GET CHOSEN.
WHY WOULD IT EVEN BE CONSIDERED IF, IF YOU PUT IT OUT AS YOU PROPOSE TO US MM-HMM.
THESE ARE YOUR REPRESENTATIVES.
YOU'RE GONNA JUST LEAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE OR THE HOMES WITHOUT THE SERVICE AND JUST GONNA GO TO THOSE IN THE COUNTY.
WELL, UH, I'LL GET, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, MR. WEIS.
MAYOR, I'LL, I'LL GET TO MORE OF THIS IN THE END OF THE PRESENTATION WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT BEAD, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS THE INTENT THAT WE WOULD TRY TO GET MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE BUILD OUT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
SO TO GET $20 MILLION TO BUILD OUT TO EVERYBODY, EVEN WITH ISPS KICKING IN MONEY.
UH, NOW WE KNOW THAT THAT WAS NOT GONNA BE A PO A POSSIBILITY, BUT GOING FORWARD, WE WERE ALWAYS PLANNING ON GETTING ADDITIONAL FUNDS, UH, FROM, FROM OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY CAME UP AND WE'RE HOPING FOR MORE ROUNDS FROM THE STATE.
BUT THEN THE BEAD FUNDING, UH, FUNDING CAME OUT AND IT'S LOOKING, WELL, I'LL, I'LL GET TO MORE OF THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS OUR INTENT TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE TIMELINE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO US, OR THE PROPOSITION OR PROPOSAL THAT WAS GIVEN TO US LAST YEAR.
NO, NONE OF THAT WAS EVEN SAID, IT'S EVERY HOME WILL HAVE SERVICE.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH CONTROL.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS SAID TO US.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE PUT OUT AN RFP, WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE RESPONSES.
WE GET TO THOSE RFPS, WE CAN JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.
AND IN OUR CASE, WE DID SAY THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT PARTIAL PROPOSALS, UH, FROM, UH, FOLKS SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY MOVE OUT OR MOVE ON WITH THE PROJECT IF THERE WERE PARTS THAT WERE VERY COMPETITIVE AND WE COULD BUILD OUT WITH WHAT, SO ONE COMPANY WAS CHOSEN FOR THIS, UH, TWO COMPANIES CHOSEN ALL TEAM ALL AND COX OKAY.
SO YOU HAD, WHEN YOU PUT THIS RFP OUT, DID YOU ANTICIPATE COVERING THE ENTIRE YAVAPAI COUNTY? WE WERE, WE WERE DEFINITELY, UH, HOPING THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THE, WAS IT WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT THAT WAS LIKELY TO HAPPEN, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? WELL, THE, THE, AND IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE, THE PROBLEM IS WE ARE NOT, AT THE TIME, WE HAD NO WAY TO ACCURATELY ESTIMATE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD OUT TO THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
UM, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN ATTEMPTED BEFORE.
AND ACTUALLY WE WERE TROLL TOLD BY SOME OF THE PROCUREMENT FOLKS THAT ANY I S P THAT GAVE US A REAL ACCURATE COUNT ON WHAT THAT COULD COST, COULD NOT BE PART OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
SO ANY I S P THAT WOULD DO US THE FAVOR OF TELLING US WHAT THEY THINK IT WOULD COST WOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM, UH, SUBMITTING A PROPOSAL.
I'LL PUT US IN A DIFFICULT SPOT.
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CLARIFY A BIT.I'M JUST, I'M JUST SORT OF BASICALLY CONFUSED ABOUT, ABOUT THE PROCESS.
ABOUT, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT ALL OF YA, AVAI WAS GOING TO BE COVERED.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD, SPECIFICALLY TOLD THAT SEDONA WAS GONNA BE COVERED.
UM, YET THE PROPOSAL DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE, I, I CAN'T REALLY TELL FROM YOUR ANSWER, BUT I'M, I'M KIND OF PRO PROJECTING HERE THAT MM-HMM.
SO THERE WAS NEVER AN, I MEAN, THERE WAS NO INTENT TO DO THE WHOLE COUNTY INITIALLY, AND THE CHOICE WAS BASICALLY THE PROVIDERS AS TO WHAT THEY WANTED, WHERE THEY WANTED TO WORK.
IS THAT TRUE? UH, TO, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
UH, THERE WERE STIPULATIONS IN THE RFP THAT WOULD DIRECT WHERE, UH, ISPS WOULD PUT IN BIDS FOR, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF AN AREA WAS ALREADY COVERED, WE, IT, IT COULDN'T BE CONSIDERED FOR ARPA FUNDS, SO IT HAD TO BE UNSERVED OR UNDERSERVED AREAS THAT THEY WERE BIDDING IN.
SO THAT DID HELP DIRECT THE ISPS INTO WHICH AREAS THEY WOULD SUBMIT A PROPOSAL FOR OR NOT.
SO THAT MEANT SEDONA WAS NEVER INCLUDED? IT COULDN'T BE CUZ WE ARE SERVED.
UH, WELL, IT'S A, IT, IT WAS INCLUDED, IT WAS INCLUDED AS A PRO IN THE, UH, THE PROPO, WHICH I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.
CUZ WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAMP VERDE RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT WAS, UH, INCLUDED IN A PROPOSAL AND WE DID INCLUDE THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE RFP.
NOT FOR US, NOT FOR THE COUNTY TO SPEND IN THE MUNICIPALITIES AREA.
BUT, SO THAT MUNICIPALITIES WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FUND, USE THEIR ARPA FUNDS OR OTHERS TO FUND IN THOSE AREAS.
CAN, BEFORE YOU SAID THAT THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE SO THAT THERE, YOU WOULD'VE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT THE COST WOULD BE AND THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IN FRONT OF US TODAY.
HOWEVER, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED PROJECT COST WAS 20 MILLION FROM YAVAPAI COUNTY AND SIX POINT 12 MILLION FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES.
SO YOU KNEW YOU HAD 26 PLUS MILLION.
UM, BUT THAT NUMBER WAS NEVER BASED IN ANY SORT OF PROJECTION OR, OR, OR KNOWN OR WE DIDN'T KNOW IF A SHORTFALL WOULD BE 20%, 50%, 200%.
I MEAN, I, I JUST, I'M SEEING A FLAW IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, UM, TO, TO A, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, UH, THAT 26 MILLION WAS BASED ON, UH, PREVIOUS E-RATE FUNDS THAT THE Y C E S A HAD RECEIVED IN CON BUILDING OUT A MIDDLE MILE NETWORK TO ALL THE SCHOOLS AND LIBRARIES.
SO I GUESS WHAT YOU COULD SAY IS IT WAS AN EDUCATED, UH, GUESS AS TO WHAT IT WOULD COST.
BUT WE SO YOU DIDN'T KNOW THEN THAT THE MONEY WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH? UH, YEAH.
WELL, WHAT SAYING YEAH, AS FAR AS WE KNEW THEN IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE THAN ENOUGH.
I MEAN, WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME.
AND WE ALSO DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THE ISPS WERE GONNA KICK IN.
I MEAN, WE HAD ONE ISP TALK TO US BEFORE THE, UH, THE MEETING.
THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA KICK IN $120 MILLION.
SO IF THEY'RE WILLING TO KICK IN $120 MILLION, THEN THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TO COVER, UH, THE WHOLE COUNTY SEDONA EVERYWHERE.
BUT THEY DIDN'T, THEY DID NOT SUBMIT A PROPOSAL BECAUSE, WELL, I'M ASSUMING IN PART BECAUSE THEY TALKED TO US BEFOREHAND ABOUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT PROJECTIONS WOULD BE AFTER, UH, THE RFP WAS OUT.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW ALL THESE RULES, JUST LIKE, UM, EVERYBODY ELSE DOES WHEN WE DO THESE RFP PROCESSES.
UM, COREY, SO JUST LOOKING AT THIS CAMP VERDE SLIDE HERE MM-HMM.
WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF CAMP VERDE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
THIS IS CAMP VERDE AND THE UNIN UNINCORPORATED AREAS AROUND CAMP VERDE.
WHICH IS PART OF WHY IT GOT CONFUSING, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, BECAUSE WHICH AREA IS IT? YEAH, IT'S, THIS IS MY LITTLE CONFUSION I'M TRYING TO WORK THROUGH.
SO THE FIRST BULLET SAYS THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS AROUND CAMP VERDE WERE NOT SELECTED FOR THE PROJECT.
DOES THAT IMPLY TO YOU LIKE IT DOES FOR ME THAT THE INCORPORATED AREAS WERE NO, NO, NONE, NONE OF THIS AREA WAS SELECTED FOR THE PROJECT.
SO WHY CALL IT OUT IN THE BULLET? WHY NOT JUST SAY, BECAUSE THE REASON IT WAS NOT SELECTED IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DELINEATE BETWEEN UNINCORPORATED AND INCORPORATED.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE WOULD'VE BEEN THAT DELINEATION MEANT OR MADE, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN SELECTED, THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS MAY HAVE BEEN SELECTED FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THEN WE AS THE YAVAPAI COUNTY COULD GO TO CAMP VERDE AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE LOOKING AT 3000 PASSINGS IN UNINCORPORATED, AND I JUST MADE THAT NUMBER
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UP UNINCORPORATED AREAS AROUND CAMP VERDE THAT WE'RE GONNA FUND.THAT MEANS IF YOU WANNA FUND THE REMAINING 2000, IT WILL COST YOU X, Y, Z.
BUT YOU DEAL WITH THE ISP ON THAT.
THIS IS JUST FROM OUR PROPOSAL, WHAT WE RIGHT.
SO MAYBE I'M WORDSMITHING, BUT, UH, WHEN YOU SAY THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS AROUND CAMP VERDE WERE NOT SELECTED FOR THE PROJECT, YOU, YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE REAL STATEMENT IS NEITHER THE INCORPORATED NOR UNINCORPORATED AREAS AROUND CAMP VERDE WERE SELECTED FOR THE PROJECT BECAUSE THE BIDDERS DID NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO.
UH, AND ISN'T THAT SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT FROM THIS POINT? AND WHY WOULD YOU SAY, WRITE THIS THIS WAY? WELL, THE, I WROTE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE WE COULD NEVER SELECT AN INCORPORATED AREA FOR THE PROJECT.
OUR INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO PARTNER WITH, DO MUNICIPALITY THAT THEY COULD FUND THE AREA OF THE PROJECT FOR THEMSELVES USING ARPA FUNDS AND THAT WE COULD FUND THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
SO WE COULD NEVER SELECT AN INCORPORATED AREA FOR THE PROJECT.
WE COULD JUST OFFER THAT UP AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MUNICIPALITY IF THEY WANTED TO COVER THOSE AREAS.
BUT I, I'M SURE I COULD HAVE WORDED IT.
WELL, I MEAN, AND THE NEXT ONE GOES ON TO SAY ADDING THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS INTO THE OVERALL PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A NEW RFP.
AGAIN, IMPLYING THAT THE CURRENT RFP COVERED THE INCORPORATED AREAS, I JUST MM-HMM.
IT JUST, IT'S JUST, JUST HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
BUT NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND IT, I'M JUST CONFUSED AS TO WHY IT WAS WORDED THAT.
YEAH, SO LET'S SAY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DECIDED, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE REALLY DO WANT TO GO OUT FOR SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT WERE NOT SELECTED IN THE FIRST ROUND OF PROJECTS AND WE HAVE SOME ARPA FUNDS TO DO IT, THEN THEY COULD ELECT TO HAVE ANOTHER RFP WRITTEN.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THERE ARE RPA FUNDS AVAILABLE TO DO IT, I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE WERE, THEY COULD THEN ELECT TO HAVE ANOTHER RFP STATING THESE AREAS IN THESE UNINCORPORATED AREAS, UH, WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS RFP.
AND WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR PASSINGS IN THE INCORPORATED AREAS IN CASE THOSE MUNICIPALITIES WANT TO COVER THAT COST.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT SECOND BULLET IS KIND OF GETTING AT.
SO IT, IT'S SOUNDING TO ME AS THOUGH SINCE YOUR PRESENTATION THIS TIME LAST YEAR, THERE REALLY NEEDED TO BE MORE COOPERATION BETWEEN THE INCORPORATED THE CITIES THEMSELVES AND YOU, IN TERMS OF PUTTING OUT THE RFP.
WELL, THE, THE RFP WAS FOR THE COUNTY'S PROJECT WITH ITS ARPA FUNDS.
AND WE, IF YOU WILL, WE INCLUDED AN OPPORTUNITY IN THAT RFP THAT IF THESE ISPS WERE TO PUT IN A PROPOSAL FOR INCORPORATED AREAS, WE COULD THEN BRING THAT TO THOSE MUNICIPALITIES AND SAY, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT.
SO I THINK, UH, I'M NOT SURE BEYOND THAT, UNLESS THE MUNICIPALITY DECIDED WE WANNA SPEND OUR OWN ARPA FUNDS, WE WANNA DO OUR OWN PROJECT, WE'LL PUT OUT OUR OWN RFP AND SEE WHAT WE, WE GET BACK FROM THE RESULTS OF THAT.
UM, WELL, WE WERE TRYING TO HELP EVERYBODY AVOID THAT PROCESS BY INCLUDING THAT PROVISION IN OUR RFP THAT IF THEY WANTED TO PUT A PROPOSAL IN FOR INCORPORATED AREAS, THEY'D HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND IT JUST WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN FUNDED THROUGH OUR ARPA FUNDS.
AND, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE, THE BIDS THAT YOU, THE BID THAT YOU GOT OR BIDS THAT YOU GOT, UM, INCLUDED CAMP VERDE, THE CITY AS WELL AS THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS? YES.
SO THAT TELLS YOU THAT THIS I S P WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BUILT IN THOSE AREAS AND PUT A PROPOSAL OUT TO DO THAT, BUT BECAUSE THAT DELINEATION WASN'T MADE BETWEEN INCORPORATED AND UNINCORPORATED, WE COULD NOT CONSIDER THAT PART OF THE PROPOSAL.
SO YOU ASKED THEM TO CLARIFY AND THEY STILL DIDN'T, I'M TOTALLY PERPLEXED BY THAT.
WELL, DID THEY NOT WANNA DO THIS? ACTUALLY, SO, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
I WAS NOT ACTUALLY ON THE RFP SELECTION COMMITTEE, BUT THE WHOEVER WAS ON THE, I DIDN'T MEAN YOU PERSONALLY, WHOEVER WAS ON THE COMMITTEE GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECTIFY.
I I, YOU DON'T, DON'T THINK IT WORKS THAT WAY BECAUSE, OKAY.
UH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GIVING THEM, AND IF YOU'RE TELLING THEM SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY CAN DO TO FIX THEIR PROPOSAL, YEAH.
YOU'RE GIVING THEM AN ADVANTAGE.
THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
BUT YOU, BUT YOU SAID EARLIER THAT YOU, SOMEBODY REACHED OUT TO THEM AND ASKED FOR SOMETHING.
NO, THEY ASKED FOR A BEST AND FINAL OFFER, WHICH THEN GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, BUT THEY WERE NOT TOLD THAT THEY WERE DEFICIENT IN THIS REGARD.
UH, I, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT.
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UM, MY ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO IMPROVE AND IMPROVE IT.I, ALL I CAN SAY IS WHAT THE DIRECTIONS WERE IN THE RFP.
SO COTTONWOOD, WE HAD THE SIMILAR AREA.
WE HAD THE SIMILAR CHALLENGE WITH THE, UH, PASSINGS OF 1800, BUT WEREN'T NECESSARILY SEPARATED OUT BETWEEN WHAT WAS IN INCORPORATED AND UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? HOW MANY PROPOSALS DID YOU GET FOR THE VERDE VALLEY? OH, VERDE VALLEY, I BELIEVED WE RECEIVED A SPARK LIGHT PROPOSAL FOR CERTAIN AREAS AND WE RECEIVED, UH, AN ALTS PROPOSAL FOR CERTAIN AREAS.
AND DID THE SPARK LIGHT PROPOSAL DELINEATE OUT THE UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THE SPARK LIGHT PROPOSAL DID.
I CAN TELL YOU FOR THE AREAS THAT THEY BID, IT WAS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
LIKE TO THE POINT WHERE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR ARPA FUNDS WOULD'VE GONE TO ONE COMMUNITY.
SO IT WAS JUST NON-COMPETITIVE.
UH, WAS WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THE SPARK LIGHT PROPOSAL AND NOBODY ELSE BID ON CAMP VERDE OR COTTONWOOD OR SEDONA? WELL, I'VE JUST TOOK OUT THE ONES HE'S ALREADY MENTIONED HERE.
I, I DON'T RECALL IF SPARK LIGHT DID OR THEY DIDN'T.
WELL, EVEN IF THEY DID, THEY WERE TOO EXPENSIVE, BUT NOBODY ELSE DID.
IS THAT WHAT, WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS, CUZ I WASN'T ON THE REVIEW COMMITTEE, I JUST LOOKED AT THE SUCCESSFUL PROPOSALS.
BUT I DO HAPPEN TO KNOW SPARK LIGHT BIT ON CLARKDALE, CUZ THEY ASKED ME IF THEY, THEY DID.
SO I DO KNOW THAT ONE, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE, UH, THE OTHERS.
UM, SO HERE'S WHAT THE, UH, THE, WHAT IT SAID IN THE PROPOSAL FOR SEDONA WAS 7,200 PASSINGS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THEY WEREN'T DELINEATED OUT.
SO WE DIDN'T KNOW WHICH WERE SAFE FOR THE VILLAGE, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN, THE COUNTY WOULD'VE PAID FOR WITH ARPA FUNDS VERSUS WHAT WAS IN SEDONA, WHICH, UH, WOULD'VE, IF SEDONA WANTED TO PARTICIPATE, BEEN THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT PORTION.
AND, AND COREY, WHEN YOU SAY, WHEN IT SAYS ESTIMATED PROJECT COSTS, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT THEY ACTUALLY BID? YES.
FOR, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THIS IS A, A QUESTION FOR, UH, UM,
UM, BUT I'LL JUST ASK IT NOW IN CASE YOU KNOW THE ANSWER OR IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU.
THE ESTIMATED PROJECT COST FOR SEDONA LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT $2,000 PER PASSING, UH, COMPARED TO CAMP VERDE.
LOOKS LIKE MORE LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER PASSING.
ANY IDEA WHY THEY WERE THAT DIFFERENT? SO THAT IS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
AND I CAN TALK, I'M LET COREY FINISH AND THEN OKAY.
AND MAYOR, I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS WELL.
I JUST, I GUESS AT THIS POINT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE IT, AS I RECALL, THE COUNCIL WAS VERY, VERY POSITIVE ABOUT BEING WILLING OUR COUNCIL TO PUT THAT MONEY THERE SO THAT WE, WE COULD BE SERVED SO THAT OUR, WE WERE VERY EXCITED AND ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS.
AND FULL DISCLOSURE, THIS IS EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING.
SO, BECAUSE WE WERE PREPARED TO DO THIS, AND IT WAS, IT WAS FINALLY
I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY COULD MAKE THAT, BUT COULD MAKE THAT, THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE A CRITICAL ERROR IN TERMS OF, OF UNDERSTANDING HOW IT'S STRUCTURED WITH THE COUNTY ONLY PAYING FOR THE UNINCORPORATED.
WELL, MAYBE IT'LL BE CLEAR IF AFTER ALL AND WE'LL GET A COMMENTS AT THE, THE END OF THAT.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE COMMENTS.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR THIRD BULLET POINT SINCE C COUNCIL THOMPSON FOCUSED ON THE FIRST TWO IS, IS THIS SOME OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR TODAY THAT THE MORE THAN LIKELY FUNDING WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE PROVIDED FROM AN ALTERN ALTERNATE SOURCE? HAS THAT BEEN IDENTIFIED? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MR. CAMPBELL'S GONNA SPEAK TO? UH, I'LL, I'LL GET TO PART OF THAT IN THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
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I'M NOT SURE IF MR. CAMPBELL SPEAK TO IT.I'M SURE HE PROBABLY WILL MM-HMM.
UH, BUT ONE COMMENT I I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UM, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT COUNSEL WOMAN WILLIAMSON WAS SAYING IS THAT IT WAS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO US IN THE BEGINNING THAT THE, UH, THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF SEDONA WAS EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
THEY WANTED IT TO WORK, THEY WANTED MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
AND, UH, MOLLY AND I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS SINCE THEN TALKING ABOUT BROADBAND EFFORTS THAT CAN BE MADE, THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
SO WE ARE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL EXCITED ABOUT THE BROADBAND PROJECT.
WE STILL DEFINITELY WANT TO FIND WAYS TO PARTNER WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES AND MAKE THINGS WORK FOR THEM.
SO I I, WE HAVE DEFINITELY APPRECIATED THAT ENTHUSIASM IN PART BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED AS WELL TO GET BROADBAND ACCESSIBILITY TO EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTY, WHETHER IN AN INCORPORATED OR INCORPORATED AREA.
UH, SO USER FEES, HERE'S THAT, UH, TW IN THE PROPOSAL IT WAS 29 99 FOR A HUNDRED MEG CONNECTION, 79 99 FOR A GIG, UH, FOR CSC HOLDINGS WITH PLANS RANGING FROM A HUNDRED MEG TO A GIG.
SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY PUT PEOPLE WHO ARE SELECTED TO BE, UH, WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING OUT INTO THE SERVED, UH, AREA.
UM, OTHER FEES, THERE'S MODEM COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THERE ALSO WAS LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY BUILT INTO THE CONTRACT SAYING FOLKS WOULD PROVIDE SUPPORT AND THAT IT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE PEOPLE WANTING TO PURCHASE THEIR SERVICES.
UH, COX PUT IN A PROPOSAL AS WELL IN THE BLACK CANYON CITY AREA AND THE CONGRESS AREA SERVING 1,708 UNDERSERVED IN 1,215 UNRELIABLY SERVED LOCATIONS IN CONGRESS AND BLACK CANYON CITY.
UM, THERE'S THE AREA THAT COX WAS AWARDED IN BLACK CANYON CITY, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 1.67 MILLION IN ARPA FUNDS AND 3 MILLION IN COX FUNDING FOR THE BLACK CANYON CITY, UM, AREA.
THEY ARE ALSO WERE APPROVED FOR CONGRESS FOR 5.9 MILLION IN CONGRESS.
WITH TWO OF IT BEING ARPA FUNDS ANOTHER 3.8, UH, FOR COX FUNDS IN THAT AREA WITH ONE POINT OR 1,200 PASSINGS FUNDED.
YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE SIMILAR PRICING, UH, TO ALTS.
AND AS FAR AS THE PROJECT SCHEDULE GOES, WE ARE WELL UNDERWAY WITH THINGS BEING BUILT OUT IN THE SELECTED AREAS.
THE WALKOUT FOR ALTIS HAS BEEN CONCLUDED IN THEIR AREAS.
THEY'RE WOR THEY'RE WORKING ON PERMITTING, DESIGN, PROCUREMENT AND POLL MAKE READY AND, UH, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO, UH, GETTING FIRED UP ON, ON THE REST OF THEIR PROJECT.
UH, COX HAS TWO, UM, DIFFERENT SCHEDULES ARE WORKING ON IT FOR BLACK CANYON CITY WALKOUTS STARTING THIS MONTH.
AND THEIR, UH, THEIR TIMELINE IS A LITTLE LATER THAN THEIR CONGRESS BUILD OUT, WHICH STARTED IN JULY 15TH WITH THE WALKOUT.
AND THEY'RE GONNA START CONSTRUCTION THIS MONTH IN THAT AREA.
SO NEXT STEPS, UM, WE ARE GOING TO APPLY FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
IT WAS ALWAYS OUR INTENT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
WE WERE HOPING TO GET SOME OF THE ACA FUNDS, BUT BECAUSE WE DID OFFER A BEST AND FINAL OFFER, UH, FOR THE, THE FOLKS IN OUR ARPA PROGRAM, THEY, THOSE WERE STILL COMING BACK.
AND WE HAD TO HAVE WELL DEFINED AREAS FOR THE ACA FUNDING, WHICH WE COULD NOT PROVIDE BECAUSE WE WERE STILL WAITING TO GET PROPOSALS BACK.
SO WE COULDN'T APPLY FOR THAT ROUND OF FUNDING.
UH, BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO DEFINITELY APPLY FOR THE BEAD FUNDING.
WE'VE BEEN A KEY PART OF THAT PROCESS, UM, IN, IN, IN TRYING TO HELP WITH THE DIGITAL EQUITY PLAN, UH, AND WORKING IN OTHER AREAS WITH THE STATE, UH, TO, TO GET THAT BEAD FUNDING.
SO FOR SO FAR RIGHT NOW, UH, BEAD FUNDING IS LOOKING TO BE 800 MILLION TO $1 BILLION FOR ARIZONA.
FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING AT THIS POINT, WITH ANOTHER 2.75 BILLION OVERALL FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY GOING TO, UM, DIGITAL EQUITY.
SO 42.5 BILLION IN BEAD FUNDING FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY WITH HOPEFULLY A HUNDRED 800 MILLION TO A BILLION GOING TO ARIZONA.
NOW, THE GOOD THING IS, IS THAT SINCE, UH, OUR MIDDLE MILE NETWORK IS ALREADY BUILT OUT IN YAVAPAI COUNTY, AND SINCE WE'VE INVESTED SOME OF OUR ARPA FUNDS IN FINAL MILE PROJECTS ALREADY, WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT MAKES YAVAPAI COUNTY MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE IN APPLYING FOR BEAD FUNDING SINCE MANY OF THESE COUNTIES STILL HAVEN'T BUILT OUT THEIR MIDDLE MILE NETWORK YET.
SO WE'RE WAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE AS FAR AS BUILDING OUT TO, UH, TO, TO FOLKS IN THE COUNTY.
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THAT? 800 MILLION TO 1 BILLION FOR ARIZONA WHEN NATIONWIDE IT'S ONLY 2.75 BILLION AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ALMOST 42.THE THE 42 BILLION IS NATIONWIDE FOR, FOR LAST MILE BUILDOUT.
THE, THE, UH, NT I A HAS REALIZED THAT ONCE EVERYBODY GETS CONNECTED, THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW PROBLEM, WHICH IS HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS WHY THE DIGITAL EQUITY PIECE IS AT 2.75 BILLION.
IT'S HELP FUND GETTING EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND REVERSE THAT WHEN I READ IT.
THEY YOU DO, UH, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, EXCUSE ME AGAIN.
WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, UH, UM, THE, YOU'RE IN A GOOD POSITION BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE BEHIND MM-HMM.
UM, I'M, I'M, MAYBE I'M THINKING BACKWARDS, BUT IF THE STATE IS INTERESTED OR THE WHOEVER'S GRANTING THE MONEY, I'M SORRY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GRANTING THE MONEY, IS INTERESTED IN GETTING AS MANY PEOPLE AS FAR ALONG AS POSSIBLE IN AN EQUAL WAY, WHY WOULDN'T THEY GIVE MORE PREFERENCE TO THE COUNTIES THAT DON'T HAVE THE MIDDLE MILE YET? IT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND THE, THE REASON FOR I'M AFRAID OF THAT IS BEAD IS DESIGNED TO GET FINAL MILE CONNECTION.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR MIDDLE MILE BUILT OUT YET, THEN CHANCES ARE THAT YOU'LL BE LESS SUCCESSFUL IN BUILDING OUT YOUR FINAL MILE TO THE OTHER RESIDENTS.
CUZ YOU HAVE TO PLAN AND BUILD OUT YOUR WHOLE MIDDLE MILE INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE THAT CAN HAPPEN.
AND THEY CAN'T APPLY FOR THESE FUNDS TO GO FOR THE MIDDLE MILE.
IT, THERE WAS, I I BELIEVE $1 BILLION THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR MIDDLE MILE.
CONNECTIONS FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY, $1 BILLION.
SO THEY VERY MUCH WANTED THIS MONEY TO BE SPENT ON FINAL MILE CONNECTIONS.
ARPA MONEY COULD HAVE GONE TOWARDS BUILDING OUT MIDDLE MILE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH I THINK IS PART OF WHAT THEY WERE HOPING, UM, WOULD HAPPEN.
SO IT DOES PUT US IN A GOOD POSITION.
I I ABSOLUTELY SEE THE LOGIC IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO BE CONNECTED IN THE STATE, THEN YOU'D WANT TO HELP THOSE FOLKS THAT DON'T HAVE THE MIDDLE MILE NETWORK FIRST.
BUT THAT'S NOT HOW THIS PARTICULAR FUNDING IS DESIGNED.
SO THE, AND IT'S ALSO GONNA BE, THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS IS GONNA CHANGE WITH ARPA FUNDING.
THE YAVAPAI COUNTY DID THE RFP, WE'RE DOING ALL THE PROCUREMENT, WE'RE HANDLING ALL THE MONEY.
UH, IT'S GONNA WORK DIFFERENT WITH BEAD MONEY.
THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION WILL BE DEALING OR IS IT ACA OR A THE NO.
THE ACA ACA ACA IS GONNA BE HANDLING THE, UH, THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
SO INSTEAD OF ISPS RESPONDING TO A PROPOSAL FROM SAY, YAVAPAI COUNTY, THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN PROPOSALS TO THE STATE.
AND WHAT WE CAN DO AS GOVERNING AUTHORITIES, WHETHER IT'S WITH THE COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY OR SOME OTHER GOVERNING AUTHORITY, IS WE CAN PUT IN LETTERS OF SUPPORT TO SHOW THAT WE FAVOR ONE PROPOSAL OR ONE PROPOSAL'S GONNA GET IT DONE VERSUS ANOTHER PROPOSAL.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF WEIGHT THAT IS PUT ON THOSE, UH, LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT GO WITH THOSE PROPOSALS.
AND THE ACA, AGAIN, IT'S NOT YOU YOU SAID IT'S NOT THE A IT'S A ACA, RIGHT? ARIZONA COMMERCE AUTHORITY.
SORRY, I WAS THINKING A CORPORATION COMMISSION.
BUT YEAH, THE COMMERCE AUTHORITY WILL BE HANDLING THE PROCUREMENT ON BEHALF OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA FOR, FOR THAT PROCESS.
AND HOW WILL THAT BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE PROCESS THAT YOU JUST WENT THROUGH WHERE YOU TOLD, YOU GAVE A PRESENTATION TO US, YOU PUT AN RFP OUT, THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE PRESENTATION TO US.
AND HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE NEXT PRESENTATION TO THE ACA ACA WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU SAID AND, AND BENEFIT SEDONA? CAUSE I'M SEEING ALL THE PRESENTATIONS FOR ALL THE OTHER CITIES, BLACK CANYON CITY, I WANNA KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON FOR SEDONA.
AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE GONNA GET NOTHING.
WELL, ISPS WILL HAVE A MORE COMPETITIVE BID TO THE, THE ACA IF THEY WORK WITH THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES IN THE AREAS THEY'RE TRYING TO SERVE.
SO IF THEY GET LETTERS OF SUPPORT, SAY THE CITY OF SEDONA, YAVAPAI COUNTY, CAMP VERDE, THESE DIFFERENT AREAS, IT WILL HELP MAKE THEIR PROPOSAL TO THE ACA, UH, HAVE, HAVE BETTER WEIGHT TO IT.
WELL, I'D HAVE A HARD TIME GIVING A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO A COMPANY THAT DOESN'T MAKE A A SEPARATE PRESENTATION.
I'M HOPING WE'RE GONNA GET THAT PRESENTATION IN A FEW MINUTES.
BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, ULTIMA ALTICE SU LINK DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT REPUTATION HERE IN, IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND SEDONA QUITE TO BE VERY, UH, BLUNT.
SO HOW WOULD WOULD YOU EXPECT US, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA CHANGE TO, TO OPTIMUM AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH OPTIMUM FROM BEING
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ON LONG ISLAND WHERE IT'S HUGE AND FABULOUS SERVICE, BUT HERE IT'S NOT.SO I WOULD WANNA SEE SOME REAL PRESENT GOOD PRESENTATIONS AND COMMITMENTS FROM, UH, OPTIMUM ON HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE TO BE GIVING QUALITY SERVICE AND THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH THE SAME SERVICE WE HAVE NOW, BUT WE HAVE NOW IT'S GONNA BE FIBER INSTEAD OF COPPER.
WELL, CAN I, CAN I TAG ONTO THAT OR YOU WANT AN ANSWER FIRST? WELL, I'D LIKE TO GET AN ANSWER.
UM, MADAM MAYOR, MR. WEISER, MY NAME IS JIM CAMPBELL WITH OPTIMUM.
UM, UH, UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.
UH, WE ARE PARTNERED WITH OPTIMUM FROM THE TRI-STATE.
WE'VE, UH, RECOGNIZED THAT WE'VE STUMBLED A BIT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA WITH NODE SPLITS AND NODE CONGESTION AS WELL AS OUR CARE.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE NETWORK, I'VE CHECKED ON IT TODAY, IS PERFORMING VERY WELL FROM A NODE PERSPECTIVE IN SEDONA.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ANY CONCERNS WE WANT TO ADDRESS, UH, WE ARE DEFINITELY MAKING THE INVESTMENT.
WE ARE FOCUSED ON FIBER TO THE HOME.
AND ONE THING THAT, UM, CORY DIDN'T MENTION IS ALL OUR NETWORK THAT WE BUILD IN THESE SUBSIDY AREAS, AND, AND I'LL EXPLAIN, WE WANT TWO MORE SUBSID AREAS AS WELL.
WE'RE GONNA BYPASS SORT OF A HYBRID FIBER COAXIAL NETWORK AND GO FIBER ALL THE WAY IN.
AND THAT'S ALL DONE OUT OF THE SEDONA HEAD END.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE NETWORK WILL BE BACK TO THAT, UH, AND, AND KIND OF ALL WATERS RISE ON THAT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC HERE TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO LEAVE YOU MY PHONE NUMBER AND WELL, THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE I'VE HAD PEOPLE LEAVE ME PHONE NUMBERS AND THEY DON'T RETURN PHONE CALLS.
TO BE BLUNT, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS WHAT IS HORRIBLE FROM, FROM, UH, SUDDENLY THE TEXTS THAT COME OUT TO THE HOME.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE IN MY OWN HOME.
AND I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS HORRIBLE.
SO I THAT'S A STORY FOR ANOTHER DAY.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET A RECOMMENDATION, AS COREY WAS JUST SAYING, EITHER WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF SERVICE YOU'RE PROVIDING TO SEDONA AND OUR RESIDENTS, AND UNTIL I HEAR THAT, I'D BE VERY SUSPECT.
OH, I'M SORRY TOM, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MOLLY.
UM, IN THIS NEW FUNDING THAT'S EXPECTED, HOW, HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN YOU ENSURE THAT SEDONA IS INCLUDED? BECAUSE THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL, I WAS SAYING BEFORE, YEAH, EXCUSE ME, MADAM MAYOR COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, THAT THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY I'VE BEEN KEEPING IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH COREY AND OTHERS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY OUR, UM, GREAT CONTACT THAT WE HAD AT THE ACA, THE ARIZONA COMMERCE AUTHORITY, OUR BROADBAND MAN, OR OUR BROADBAND DIRECTOR FOR THE STATE, HE RESIGNED, UM, A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO.
SO HE WAS ALSO THE ONE, UM, THAT WE WERE TALKING TO.
BUT THE ACA WILL BE PUTTING OUT THOSE RULES AND THOSE CRITERIA, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN A DISCOVERY MODE OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE ONES WILL ROLL OUT.
WHAT, UM, YEAH, WHAT THE CRITERIA WILL BE, HOW WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE, UM, IN TALKING, IN PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY DEFINITIVELY WHAT'S RIGHT OR, AND CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG, COREY, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF THOSE MIGHT HAVE TO BE A REGIONAL EFFORT AS WELL.
UM, AND EVEN BEFORE THOSE BEAD FUNDS GET ROLLED OUT, UM, THERE'S A, AN EFFORT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO, UM, UPDATE THE MAPS THAT ACTUALLY SHOW THE SERVICE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
I, I'M AS THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, AGAIN, IT'S NOT DEFINITIVE, BUT, BUT CUZ IT'S ALL ROLLING, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL COMING SO QUICKLY RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GIVE US DEFINITIVE AT THIS POINT.
BUT THE, BUT THOSE MAPS WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHERE THAT SERVICE LIES AND THEN ALSO CHALLENGE IT.
SO IF WE COULD PUT A MAP UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SERVED IN SEDONA, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE CAN START GIVING US DIFFERENT FEEDBACK TO WHETHER OR NOT TO UPDATE THOSE MAPS AS WELL.
NO, I WAS GONNA SAY THE, THE MAPPING TO THE FCC WAS DUE BY SEPTEMBER 1ST.
IT'S ACTUALLY GEOCODED DOWN TO THE ADDRESS LEVEL UHHUH
SO, UM, IT IS VERY SPECIFIC AND THE MONEY THAT WILL BE HANDED OUT WILL BE, WILL BE BASICALLY PUT AGAINST THAT MAP TO SAY, OKAY, UH, COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON, YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 0 1 OAK STREET.
IT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE GETTING X SERVICE BASED ON THE 4 77 MAP.
ARE YOU ELIGIBLE? THAT'S HOW SCIENTIFIC IT WILL BE.
BUT THE REAL QUESTION IS, I MEAN, I I I LOVE GEOCODING DOWN TO MY OWN ADDRESS.
MAYBE IT GEO CODES DOWN TO MY DEN, BUT I JUST WANNA SORT OF CLAR CLARIFY THAT AT THIS POINT WE EXPECT MONEY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA IS GONNA BE.
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OF IT.IS MY, IS THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
BECAUSE THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL GET ANY MONEY OUT OF THIS.
UM, BECAUSE GRANTS, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF POLITICS INVOLVED IN, IN HOW THESE THINGS WORK, BUT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL GET MONEY OUT OF THIS.
BUT YOU WILL DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BE INCLUDED IF WE CAN.
AND, AND, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS, WHETHER IT'S WITH MY COUNTERPARTS AROUND THE REGION AND OTHERS, JUST TO SEE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE WAYS TO PARTNER UP OR, OR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE ALL EAGER TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
AND I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD ON TO WHAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON SAID ABOUT BEING SURE WE'RE INCLUDED.
AND IT'S THE SAME QUESTION I ASKED AT THE LAST, UH, PRESENTATION.
WILL THE COCONINO SIDE OF SEDONA ALSO BE INCLUDED OR WILL NOT? WELL, I, I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO, TO, AND I CAN TELL YOU WITH THE ARPA IT WAS DIFFERENT THAN BE BECAUSE YOU RECEIVED YOUR OWN ARPA FUNDING AND YOU COULD SPEND THAT WITHIN YOUR BORDERS AS YOU WANTED TO SPEND IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO, I, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR ORIGINAL GOAL OF WHAT WE PUT IN THAT ORIGINAL PRESENTATION TO GET EVERY HOME CONNECTED IN THIS COUNTY IS STILL VERY MUCH OUR GOAL.
THERE'S 13 ISLANDS, EVEN IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS THAT WE WANNA SEE GET SERVICE AND ANY PROPOSAL.
THE QUESTION IS ABOUT COCONINO COUNTY, NOT YAVAPAI COUNTY.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T, WE, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT, BUT IF I CAN, IF WE APPLY FOR BEAD, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY INCLUDE BOTH COCONINO AND YAVAPAI.
WE PASS 8,100 HOMES IN SEDONA THAT INCLUDES BOTH THE YAVAPAI AND THE COCONINO POCKETS AND THE, THOSE SUBSCRIBERS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR BEAD FUNDING.
AND MAYOR, THAT'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTION DURING MY COMMENTS ON THE DISCREPANCY.
BUT YES, SEDONA WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE ELIGIBLE TO PARTNER AND GET SOME BEAD MONEY, UH, FOR THE SECOND ROUND THAT'S COMING.
SO IF WE ARE GETTING THE BEAD MONEY, WHY DON'T WE JUST DO IT OURSELVES? OH, IT'S ALL MONEY THAT IT'S GONNA COME THROUGH THE COUNTY, COME THROUGH THE STATE.
I MEAN, TO, TO DO WHAT YOURSELF? UH, WHAT'S THAT? VICE MAYOR? TO BUILD THE NETWORK YOURSELF? NO, NO, BUT I'M, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM YOU GUYS.
CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A WHOLE NETWORK MM-HMM.
NO, IT ACTUALLY WON'T BE FROM SCRATCH, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE A VERY EXTENSIVE BILL.
BUT WE WOULD DO, WE WOULD APPLY FOR THE BEAD FUNDS.
WE WOULD COME TO YOU AND HOPEFULLY CONVINCE YOU THAT DOING THIS IS THE BEST THING TO DO FOR SEDONA.
IT WOULD NOT, COUNTY LINES WOULD NOT MATTER.
UM, AND, AND THEN I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE RFP PROCESS CUZ I'VE BEEN INVOLVED SINCE THE BEGINNING.
JUST TO CLARIFY JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
UH, BUT YES, IT WOULD BE CITYWIDE AS A WHOLE.
AND, AND WHAT IS YOUR PROJECTED TIMELINE ON THAT? THE BEAD FUNDS.
THE STATES HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PLANS SUBMITTED IN THE SPRING.
THERE WILL BE SOME TIME THROUGH THE AGENCY PROCESS AND THE NT I A, SO THE, THE N T I A, WHICH IS THE FEDERAL BRANCH THAT ADMINISTERS THIS, GETS A SHOT AT THE STATE PLANS.
THEY'LL GO BACK, THEY'LL GO THROUGH SOME STATE AGENCY PROCESS, PROBABLY BACK TO THE NT.
I A ONE MORE TIME IF A STATE KILLS IT AND GETS THE PLAN DONE.
I TALKED TO THE BROADBAND CONTROL OR COORDINATOR IN TEXAS.
HE WANTS TO BE THE FIRST ONE DONE.
I THINK YOU COULD SEE PLANS APPROVED END OF 23, MONEY FLOWN FIRST QUARTER 24 IS MY GUESS.
UM, CALENDAR OR FISCAL CALENDARS.
SO, UH, MY QUESTION IS THE, THE PROPOSED MONTHLY USER FEES UNDER THE CSC HOLDINGS AND, AND COREY MAYBE COULD ANSWER, MAYBE JIM AND IT DEFAULTS YOU BECAUSE IT'S YOUR, YOUR FEE ACTUALLY, I THINK, UH, HOW DOES THAT ESTIMATED MONTHLY RECURRING CHARGE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS, UM, COMPARE TO WHAT WILL BE CHARGED IN THE INCORPORATED AREAS? OH, IT'LL, IT, IT'S TOUGH TO CHARGE.
EVEN THE UNINCORPORATED, UNINCORPORATED AREA ARE CONTINUOUS, CONTIGUOUS TO THE INCORPORATED AREAS.
SO IT'S TOUGH TO MARKET AND CHARGE IN POCKETS LIKE THAT IN ANY GIVEN MARKET.
UH, AND UH, AND MAYBE IT'S COMING UP IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I SHOULD WAIT, BUT MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, AND THE FACT THAT SEDONA WASN'T SELECTED AND INCLUDED, UH, THERE WAS SOME, A COMMENT IN THE, THE MATERIAL THAT, UM, CSC MAY IN TWO TO THREE YEARS LOOK TO BE UPGRADING ANYWAY OR DOING SOMETHING.
SO SHOULD WE NOT JUST WAIT FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS AND HAVE YOU ARE, ARE YOU LOOKING TO DO IT ANYWAY? AND THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY COST
I MEAN THE, YOU WOULD GET MONEY FROM THE BEAD.
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THAT WOULD MATCH OUR CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION, WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE.SO EITHER WAY, IF, IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT FOR MARKET FORCES AND SAY WE'RE GONNA BLOW THROUGH SEDONA AND DO IT, THEN THAT'S OUR MONEY.
IF WE DECIDE, HEY, LET'S SUPPLEMENT THIS WITH BEAD, THAT'S FEDERAL MONEY PLUS OUR MONEY.
AND, AND JUST WONDER WHAT YOUR DEPRECIATION TERM WAS ON, ON THE BUILD, OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS ON THE EQUIPMENT? YOU MEAN ON A RETURN ON INVESTMENT? RIGHT.
IT, IT'S NOT MUCH DONE IN YEARS.
IT'S MORE DONE BY COST PER HOME AND WHAT YOU CAN CHARGE.
SO THE SEDONA COST WITHOUT ANY SORT OF GRANT OPPORTUNITY IS EXTREMELY HIGH.
I MEAN, IT'S IN, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO $6,000 A HOME, WHICH IS JUST UNDOABLE FOR ROI.
IF I WAS JUST A HUNDRED MEGABYTES BITS PER SECOND AT 29 9, IT WOULD TAKE YOU 65 YEARS AND A QUARTER, THREE MONTHS TO JUST, TO JUST BREAK EVEN.
AGAIN, IT'S, AND SO I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA SPREAD IT OUT OVER TIME AND, AND, AND HOW YOU DO IT, BUT I JUST WONDERED WHAT THAT TIMEFRAME WAS.
AGAIN, IT'S LESS SO THAT WE SAY, OKAY, IT, IT COMES DOWN TO COST PER HOME.
WE THINK IF WE CAN GET IN FOR 2,500 BUCKS A HOME, WE JUSTIFY IT DOESN'T PEOPLE CHURN AND COME AND GO.
SO, SO IT'S REALLY NOT, OKAY AFTER 10 MONTHS WE'LL MAKE OUR MONEY BACK.
IF WE CAN GET IN FOR 25 BUCKS, 2,500 BUCKS A HOME THAT JUSTIFIES BUILDING IT, IT'S REALLY NOT A TIME ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING.
IT PROBABLY IS TIME, BUT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THAT COST PER ACQUIRING THE HOME.
YEAH, WELL I THINK THAT'D BE ONE.
YOU'RE ACCOUNTING AN ASSET, SO I'M NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT THAT THEN IN WHICH I AM AND JUST HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
BUT I, I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I'D HAVE IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY AND YOU HAVE COME UP WITH IN A PROPOSAL TO, TO BE THE ANSWER FOR THIS PIECE OF IT.
UM, WILL OTHER ISPS BE ALLOWED TO COME IN? WOULD YOU BE ENTERTAINING? OH YEAH, THEY CAN COME IN.
THEY GOTTA PAY FOR YOU TO USE MY INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHATEVER AND, AND, AND, UH, LOOK TO PROVIDE SOME COMPETITION DOWN THE ROAD.
WELL, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS STILL HAS TO HEAR ABOUT BEAD FUNDING AND TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE COUNTY'S APPROACH TO THAT WILL BE.
UM, THE BROADBAND TEAM WILL HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE DO WITH THAT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR GOAL IS GOING TO BE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE YAVAPAI COUNTY TAXPAYER.
SO THAT COULD MEAN MULTIPLE PROPOSALS.
IT COULD MEAN A WHOLE ONE IS P THAT DOES A PROPOSAL FOR BEAD FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY.
IT COULD BE AN ISP THAT DOES A PROPOSAL FOR MULTIPLE COUNTIES.
MAYOR HOLLY, WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR BEAD FUNDING.
UH, IF I'M INCORRECT IN THIS GYM, PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS ISPS ARE GONNA APPLY FOR THAT MONEY DIRECTLY FROM, UH, THE STATE.
AND THEN WE PROVIDE LETTERS OF SUPPORT BASED ON WHO WE THINK IS GONNA BEST SERVE OUR NEEDS AND INTERESTS, UH, IN OUR AREA.
SO, AND THAT'S MOSTLY A ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THAT WHAT THE STATES DO IS COME UP WITH A PROGRAM WHERE THEY DECIDE WHO CAN APPLY.
AND IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE ELECTRIC CO-OPS, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY, ANY SORT OF COMPANY THAT HAS INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN THEY SET UP A SCORING RUBRIC, RIGHT? SO WHAT YOU WANNA DO IS MAKE SURE WHOEVER BUILD THESE NETWORKS KNOW HOW TO MAINTAIN 'EM, KNOW HOW TO WORK 'EM.
SO THEY MAY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ADD 10 POINTS TO THE APPLICATION.
IF YOU HAVE 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE BROADBAND BUSINESS, WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER 10 POINTS.
IF YOU'VE GOT MORE THAN A MILLION HOMES THAT YOU SERVE FIBER TO THE HOME, WHICH YOU DON'T WANT IS, YOU KNOW, COREY AND JIM'S FIBER COMPANY COMING IN, GETTING $50 MILLION AND WE'RE ON THE BEACH IN BARBADOS, WHICH I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN ANY THOUGHTS YOU MIGHT HAVE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
SO THEY'LL HAVE A SCORING CRITERIA.
IT COULD BE, UM, LIKE I SAID, ELECTRIC COS COULD BE UTILITIES, UH, IT COULD BE POWER COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET THE SCORING CRI IF A POWER COMPANY APPLIES AND SAYS, I HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT I'VE NEVER DEPLOYED AN INTERNET NETWORK, THEY'RE PROBABLY PROBABLY NOT GONNA WIN.
WHEN YOU SAY $2,500 TO THE HOUSE MM-HMM.
DOES THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EXISTS REDUCE THE COST? NOT ON THE LAST MILE.
SO YES, WE WOULD DEFINITELY UTILIZE THE EXISTING FIBER TO THE NETWORK, BUT THAT LAST PART, PART OF IT THAT'S COAX, WHICH IS A VERY EXPENSIVE DISTRIBUTION BUILD, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE.
SO WE WOULD BE RUNNING FIBER INTO THE HOME.
SO YOU REMOVE WHAT, WHAT OR LEAVE IT? THERE'S CURRENTLY, I MEAN, YOU DON'T, YOU REMOVE IT OR YOU LEAVE IT THERE? YOU KNOW, I HAVE, UH, I'M, I DON'T HAVE FIBER INSIDE MY HOUSE, BUT I HAVE FIBER TO MY HOUSE AT MY HOUSE, AND IT'S, WE RUN IT INTO A DEVICE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND THEN YOU CAN USE THE COAX IN THE HOUSE.
THIS WILL BE FIBER THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.
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OKAY.I JUST ASK A ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, WHEN YOU PUT OUT AN RFP, IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NORMALLY WOULD GET, OR, OR WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'LL PUT IT OUT AGAIN FOR YAPA COUNTY.
YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WANTED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T BREAK OUT THE UNINCORPORATED VERSUS THE CORPORATE.
WHY DON'T YOU PUT IT OUT AGAIN? WELL, THE REALITY IS WITH ARPA IS WE'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST TIME TIMELINE.
I MEAN, THE TIMELINE IS A REAL PROBLEM.
YOU CAN SEE EVEN WITH THE BUILDOUTS WHERE WE'RE HAVING THEM BE DONE, WE'RE GOING UP INTO NOVEMBER, 2023.
AND THAT'S IF EVERYTHING HAPPENS ACCORDING TO SCHEDULE.
WHICH, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN WITH CONSTRUCTION? RIGHT.
SO IF WE, AND IN MY OPINION, I WAS ASSUMING WHEN WE PUT OUT THE RFP, WE WOULD'VE DONE IT SIX MONTHS SOONER THAN WE ACTUALLY DID.
THE PROBLEM IS THE ARPA RULES ARE SO COMPLEX AND THEY'RE EVER CHANGING.
UH, THE TREASURY WILL CHANGE THEIR RULES.
AND IT WILL IMPACT OUR REPORTING, WHAT'S EXPECTED OF US, HOW WE HAVE TO DO THINGS, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO ADJUST THE RFP ACCORDINGLY WHEN THOSE RULES WOULD COME OUT.
SO OUR, OUR PROCESS WHEN WE WERE HOPING TO GET THE RFP OUT WAS GREATLY DELAYED.
THEN YOU COUPLE THAT WITH WHEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR MONEY SPENT BY WITH ARPA, I, THERE JUST WASN'T ENOUGH TIME TO GO OUT AND DO ANOTHER, ANOTHER PROCESS.
AND WE RECEIVED BIDS THAT WORKED IN AREAS THAT WERE PART OF THE RFP.
OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
WE, WE WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT SPEED.
IS IT DOWNLOAD SPEED? IS IT UPLOAD SPEED? IS IT BOTH? IT'S BOTH.
SO, UH, MADAME AND THE RFP, THE, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT ARPA WANTS IS THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO OFFER A HUNDRED DOWN AND A HUNDRED UP.
UM, AND IF YOU CAN'T GET TO A HUNDRED HUNDRED SYMMETRICAL, YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT YOU HA YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT CAN SCALE UP TO THAT.
THE NETWORK WE WOULD PUT IN, IN THESE 7,700 HOMES.
AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY WON 50 MILLION TO ABOUT 40,000 HOMES WILL BE GIG SYMMETRICAL.
SO IT'LL BE ONE GIG DOWN ONE, ONE GIG UP SCALABLE TO MULTI GIG.
AND WHAT IS THE STATUS NOW OF YOUR SPEEDS THAT YOU'RE OFFERING? AND CURRENTLY IN SEDONA, WE OFFER ONE 50 OVER 7.5, UP ONE 50 DOWN.
THERE'S ALWAYS A BIG DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THEM, BUT, BUT ACTUALLY THE, IT'S, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT SERVICE YOU'RE USING, BUT THERE'S A MAJOR DISCREPANCY IN SPEEDS BETWEEN COMPANIES AS WELL.
AND SO THIS WOULD, IF WE GET THIS BUILT OUT BY, UH, YOUR COMPANY MM-HMM.
AND BUT IF YOUR CUSTOMER ISN'T ALREADY WITH YOU, DOES THAT MEAN WE ALL HAVE TO BE YOUR CUSTOMER? NO.
I MEAN, IF YOU BUILD THE NETWORK, YOU MARKET IT AND HOPE YOU GET AS GOOD OF PENETRATION AS YOU GET IT.
I CAN'T FORCE ANYBODY TO SIGN UP FOR US.
UM, BUT IF WE HAVE FIBER TO THE HOME THROUGHOUT THE, THE, THE MARKET WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE GIG SYMMETRICAL SPEEDS, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT OUR CHANCES TO WIN CUSTOMERS.
AND SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COMPANIES HERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THEM, LIKE SPARK LIGHT IS, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF SPARK LIGHT IN SEDONA.
I KNOW THEY'RE IN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE VERDE VALLEY.
SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THEM? ARE THEY, HAVE THEY RESPONDED TO, THEY NEVER, DID THEY RESPOND TO CLARKDALE FOR INSTANCE? THE SPARK LIGHT DID RESPOND TO CLARKDALE.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT SPARK LIGHT FOR SURE IS BUILT OUT TO THE LIBRARY HERE AND THE SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY, OH, THEY ARE SEDONA BECAUSE THEY WON THE E-RATE BID 10 YEARS AGO OR, OR WHATEVER, SEVEN YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER THAT WAS.
DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US? OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE PRESENT MORE DISCUSSION? TALK TO, I THINK THEY HAS MUCH MORE FROM US THAN THEY NEED.
HONESTLY, AND I'LL BE, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.
A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED IN Q AND A AND I'M, I WANT TO DEAL WITH THE POSITIVE STUFF, BUT I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE RFP AND A COUPLE THINGS THAT, THAT COREY SAID, WHEN WE INITIALLY GOT THE RFP, IT DID INCLUDE 20 MILLION TO UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
AND THERE WERE, I THINK SIX, AND I DON'T, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA GET INTO HISTORY.
SO I'M RELYING ON MY BRAIN, UH, AND EMAILS.
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MONTHS.THERE WERE SIX PARTICIPATING MAKE FIVE, PARTICIPATING IN MUNICIPALITIES, INCLUDING YOURSELVES, WHICH HAD AROUND $6 MILLION THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO MATCH UP IN CONJUNCTION, UH, WITH THE BUILD.
SO INITIALLY WE PROVIDED BASICALLY A UBIQUITOUS RESPONSE.
UM, IT WAS ABOUT 27,000 HOMES.
UH, 10,000 OF THEM WERE CLEARLY DELINEATED WITHIN CITY NETWORKS.
WE HAVE AT ALL TIMES HAVE PROVIDED THE COUNTY WITH THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS THAT LIE WITHIN THE, THE, THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES VERSUS WITHIN THE COUNTY BOUNDARIES.
AND THEN THE DECISION WAS MADE TO SORT OF, UH, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GREAT.
SO I SAID, THAT'S GREAT, COREY.
WE WILL GO DEAL WITH THE CITIES.
WE'LL GO OUTSIDE OF THIS RFP, AND WE LIMITED OUR RFP, WHICH KNOCKED IT DOWN TO ABOUT 17,000 UNINCORPORATED HOMES IN, IN YAVAPAI.
THE 7,700 THAT WE WERE, UH, AWARDED IN, UH, PAULDEN, MAYOR, COVILLE AND RIMROCK.
NONE OF THOSE PROJECT AREAS HAD MULTIPLE, A LOT.
THEY WERE ALL SOLELY UNINCORPORATED.
THE 7,200 HOMES THAT, THAT COREY SHOWED UP THERE FOR SEDONA AND MERRI.
I'LL GET, I'LL GET TO WHERE THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE DISCREPANCY.
AND I REMEMBER HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH MOLLY, I THINK TWENTY SEVEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE OF THEM WERE CLEARLY WITHIN MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.
AND THE OTHER 4,200 WERE IN YAVAPAI, WHICH INCLUDED THE VILLAGE OF OAK, UH, THE VILLAGE OF OAK CLIFFS, WHICH WE REALLY WANTED TO GET TO.
AND SO WHAT THE COUNTY SAID IS, WE'LL BIFURCATE THIS MAYBE INTO TWO RFPS.
LET'S DEAL WITH THE COUNTY ONLY PROJECT AREAS, WHICH IS THE FOUR WE WON.
AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL LOOK TO DO THE OTHER PROJECT AREAS, WHICH INCLUDE A COMBINING OF THE CITIES AND THE COUNTY HOMES AT A LATER DATE, WHICH NEVER HAPPENED.
I SPOKE WITH JEFF SABAA ABOUT THAT, AND I SAID, WELL, IF THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, LET'S GET THOSE IN THE BEAD MONEY.
SO LET ME TELL YOU WHERE THE 2,700 DROP INTO ONE 50 MERE CAME.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I'M, THAT'S ON ME, UH, THAT'S ON MY COMPANY.
UH, CORY'S, RIGHT? THAT, UH, THE, THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS THAT THE TREASURY CONTINUED TO THE GO POST CONTINUE TO MOVE.
IN FACT, YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN ARPA FUNDS, BUT YOU CAN GET BEAD FUNDS BECAUSE YOU'RE AT 150 OVER 7.5.
WHEN OUR VENDOR INITIALLY LOOKED AT THOSE HOMES OUT OF THE SEDONA HEAD END, HE LUMPED THE 4,200 HOMES THAT WE DON'T SERVE ANYBODY IN WITH THE 2,700 HOMES AND SHOWED THEM AS ALL UNSERVED.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AFTER THE DECISION WAS MADE TO GO WITH THE CITIES, AND MOLLY HAD REACHED OUT TO US, I SAID, MOLLY, WE WANNA DO THIS WITH THE CITIES, BUT WE JUST FOUND OUT THESE 2,700 HOMES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ARPA.
IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD THEM, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES.
AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD, COULD THIS CITY PUT UP AN AMOUNT? I SAID, SURE.
BUT IT'S LIKE A $60 MILLION BUILD AT THE TIME.
SO IT'S, IT'S INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE.
BUT IT, I I, CORY, I GOTTA TELL YOU AT ALL TIMES, AND I CAN SHOW YOU A DECEMBER 13TH EMAIL, WE DELINEATED BY GEOCODING THE ADDRESSES THAT WERE IN THE MUNICIPALITIES VERSUS THE ADDRESSES THAT WERE IN THE COUNTY.
AND IT CLEARLY WAS SEPARATE FUNDS.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T USE YAI FUNDS TO BUILD TO A SEDONA HOUSE, AND YOU CAN'T USE SEDONA FUNDS TO BUILD TO AN UNINCORPORATED YAVAPAI HOUSE.
THAT'S, THAT'S EXTREMELY CLEAR.
UM, BUT THEY WERE ALL DELINEATED.
AND NOW IT, I THINK IT, IT'S, IT COREY'S RIGHT? WE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE TIMED OUT.
THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT HAS MOVED THE GOLD POST, AND NOW WE'RE ON TO BE, AND SO I FULLY EXPECT THAT WE WILL APPROACH YOU IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK AND YAVAPAI ABOUT FUNDING THOSE ADDITIONAL 10,000 HOMES AT A LATER DATE.
UM, TO FINISH BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE STATE, WE DID, WE WERE AWARDED TWO ADDITIONAL GRANTS.
ONE IN LA PAZ, WHICH IS, UH, AROUND PARKER AND ONE IN COCONINO AROUND THE, THE MONS PARK AREA.
UH, IT'S A TOTAL OF ABOUT $6 MILLION.
AND IT, UH, UH, IT'S ABOUT 6,000 HOMES.
HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT HOW OF THE, HOW ALL OF THIS RELATES TO SEDONA, BOTH THE SECOND TRANCHE AND THE FIRST TRACHE OF THE YAVAPAI COUNTY ARE GONNA BE AS A RESULT OF UPGRADES TO THE SEDONA HEAD END.
SO ALL THAT FIBER HAS TO CONNECT TO A HEAD END, AND THAT, THAT FIBER'S COMING BACK TO SEDONA.
THE TERM I'VE USED WHENEVER I'VE MET WITH PEOPLE IS, YOU KNOW, ALL WATERS RISE.
I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF THESE HOMES ARE, WE'RE INELIGIBLE FOR ARPA FUNDING, THEY'RE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM SOME OF THIS BUILD.
UM, NOW YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR BEAD.
I CAN TELL YOU IN OTHER AREAS, WE'RE UPGRADING HEAD ENDS THAT WE CURRENTLY SERVE WITH 700 MEGABITS.
AND GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GONNA TAKE THOSE 700 MEGABITS HOMES AND BUILD FIBER TO 'EM, EVEN THOUGH 20 MILES OUTSIDE THE LINE, THERE'S A PACKAGE, YOU KNOW, PACKET OF 3000 HOMES THAT GET NOTHING.
WE'RE GONNA GO TO THEM, BUT COME BACK TO THE HEAD ENDS.
SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO GET BUILT FROM THE INSIDE OUT.
AND SO PEOPLE ON THE INSIDE WILL BENEFIT FROM THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THING, AS COREY ABSOLUTELY MENTIONED IS MIDDLE MILE IS HUGE.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH APS, WHICH HAS A LOT OF FIBER IN THE STATE TO TRY AND GET SOME FIBER ROUTES TO CONNECT NOT ONLY THE
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YAVAPI BUILD, BUT ALSO THE LA PAZ AND COCONINO BUILDS AS WELL.AND YOU KNOW, THE MORE MIDDLE MILE WE HAVE OUT HERE, THE, UH, THE LOWER THE COST GO IN SEDONA.
SO WHATEVER THE COST IS NOW, IF WE GET CIRCUITS THAT ARE REDUNDANT CIRCUITS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTIES, IT JUST CONTINUES TO GO DOWN.
AND AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE A CRITICAL MASS AROUND SEDONA, WHERE IT JUST MAKES MARKET SENT FOR US.
UM, WE'RE NOT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE SURE WORKING TO GET THERE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN NORTHERN ARIZONA TO BOLSTER THIS NETWORK.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE BEAD MONEY WILL BE GREAT, BUT IT MAY BE THAT THE DECISION ISN'T MADE TO START SOME OF THIS BEFORE THEN.
WHICH LEADS ME TO A QUESTION, MOLLY, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER.
SO THE, THE $500,000 ARPA MONEY THAT WE COMMITTED TO THIS, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT NOW IN TERMS OF WHERE, WHERE IS IT
SO WE, WE STILL HAVE THAT MONEY.
UM, WE HAVE NOT SPENT THAT MONEY.
UM, IS SHERRY HERE? I BELIEVE SHE IS SHERRY AS WELL.
IF WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, BUT WE CAN SPEND IT ON OTHER PURPOSES.
SO WHAT WE'RE, SO WE'RE NOT IN DANGER OF LOSING.
WE CAN STILL LOSE THAT, SIGN THAT MONEY AND HAVE THAT ARPA MONEY WORK FOR US.
AND WE HAVE THE END UNTIL, UNTIL THE END OF 2024, I BELIEVE.
WE HAVE UNTIL 2024, THE END OF 2024, HE WAS IN THE BEST IN FILE.
AND I HAVE ANOTHER, HOW IS THAT DECISION MADE OF HOW TO REALLOCATE THAT MONEY? EMAIL HIM.
CAUSE FRANK, WELL, I MEAN, I, I'M ASSUMING WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND HAVE A DISCUSSION DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS WITH, OF PROPOSED.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MR. CAMPBELL.
HOW DID YOU DETERMINE WHETHER SOMEONE WAS UNDERSERVED OR UNSERVED? UH, FOR, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS APA FUNDS, IT'S, UH, UNSERVED IS WHEN YOU GET LESS THAN 25.3.
AND FOR BEAD MONEY, UNDERSERVED IS GOING TO BE A HUNDRED DOWN AND 20 UP.
AND THE KEY FOR SEDONA, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE AT 150 DOWN, THE 7.5 UPLOAD, UM, WILL GET YOU ELIGIBLE FOR BEAD FUNDS.
BUT HOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF I'M NOT YOUR CUSTOMER, WHAT I'VE GOT? OH, WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
SO AGAIN, WE WOULD PULL THAT UP THROUGH OUR BILLING SYSTEM.
SO IF WE SERVE SEDONA, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT A CUSTOMER, WE WOULD PULL YOUR ADDRESS UP AND IT WOULD SAY, OKAY, MAYBE, UH, THE MAYOR WAS A CUSTOMER AND LEFT US THREE YEARS AGO.
MAYBE SHE'S WHAT'S CALLED A NEVER, MAYBE SHE WAS NEVER A CUSTOMER AND ALWAYS GOT IT WITH HUGHESNET.
AND, BUT WE COULD PULL YOUR ADDRESS UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, 2 0 7 OAK CREEK, WE HAVE NETWORK THAT COULD GET HER 157.5 NOW IF SHE SIGNED UP TODAY.
SO WE BASICALLY CAN SAY, WHAT CAN WE PROVISION WITHIN A SEVEN DAY TIMEFRAME? AND WON'T THE MAPS SHOW THAT TOO? THE NEW, THE UPDATED MAPS WILL SHOW THAT AS WELL.
I'M SORRY, MA, THE UPDATED, I'M SORRY, MADAME.
THE UPDATED FEDERAL MAPS THAT WE REFERENCED BEFORE, UM, THEY'RE UPDATING, UH, OUR MAPS ON WHAT'S UNDERSERVED AND WHAT'S UNSERVED PRIOR TO THE BEAD FUNDS.
OKAY, HOLLY, SO OPTIMUM BOUGHT WHAT OF LTIS? ALL OF QUESTION OR THAT'S, SO T LET ME GIVE YOU JUST A FIFTH, 32ND BACKGROUND.
T EUROPE IS THE LARGEST CABLE COMPANY IN EUROPE.
THEY FORMED AN AMERICAN COMPANY CALLED ALLT USA, AND THEY CAME OVER AND BOUGHT SUDDENLINK, WHICH WAS 17 STATES.
WE CALL IT OUR WESTERN FOOTPRINT.
AND WHERE AS WEST AS WEST VIRGINIA, WHICH IS AMAZING.
BUT IT'S 17 STATES BASICALLY GOING FROM THE ATLANTIC TO THE PACIFIC.
AND THEN THEY BOUGHT WHAT WAS CALLED CABLE VISION.
AND CABLE VISION WAS AN OLD COMPANY.
THAT'S YOUR LONG ISLAND COMPANY THAT HAD NEW, NEW JERSEY, CONNECTICUT, AND NEW YORK.
THEY COMBINED THEM INTO ALTICE USA.
THEY REBRANDED CABLE VISION OPTIMUM, THEY KEPT THE SUDDENLINK BRAND, AND NOW THEY'VE REBRANDED THE WHOLE THING.
SO TICE USA IS THE PARENT COMPANY OF OPTIMUM.
SO ALTICE IS STILL IN THE PICTURE? CORRECT.
AND IS OPTIMUM A NEW, IT'S A NEW BRAND.
I'M GONNA ASK A BASIC QUESTION.
DID I SEE MR. WEISER IF I, IF I COULD RUN THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE CUSTOMER CARE, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA? UM, SURE.
LET ME TELL YOU WHERE WE STUBBED IT A LITTLE BIT.
IN 19, ALTICE HAD OUTSOURCED ITS NETWORK OPERATIONS TO A THIRD PARTY.
UM, AND AS A RESULT, THE NETWORK WASN'T MAINTAINED.
LINE EXTENSIONS WERE HAPPENING, BUT THE NETWORK WASN'T MAINTAINED, WHICH IS FINE, UH, UNTIL EVERYBODY GETS ON THE INTERNET.
THEN FAST FORWARD TO MAR FEBRUARY AND MARCH, COVID HITS, EVERYONE GOES HOME AND GET ON, GETS ON THE INTERNET.
THE INTERNET COLLAPSES, EVERYBODY CALLS IN.
WE THREW PEOPLE AT THE PROBLEM THAT WEREN'T TRAINED.
AND SO IT WAS A, A BIT OF A VICIOUS CYCLE THAT WE GOT OURSELVES INTO.
UM, WE PULLED THAT BACK IN BEFORE I CAME WITH THE COMPANY.
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BEEN HERE A YEAR AND A HALF, AND I CAN TELL YOU THE OPERATIONS IS ALL IN AND, AND, UH, THE NETWORK MAINTENANCE, WE HAD TO GO RELIEVE NODE CONGESTION, WHICH WE'VE DONE IN SEDONA, WE'VE DONE IN PAYSON.AND SO THE NODE CONGESTION, WHICH HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IN ARIZONA, 50 TO 75 MILLION INVESTMENT WE HAD TO MAKE.
SO THE NETWORK IS PERFORMING VERY WELL.
THE CUSTOMER CARE ISSUE, UM, WE HAD SOME BPOS, WHICH ARE THIRD PARTY VENDORS THAT WERE NOT PERFORMING.
AND SO WE WERE NOT TRAINING THEM TOO, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU.
THERE WERE SO MANY CALLS GOING IN THAT WE WERE THROWING PEOPLE ONLINE TOO FAST.
OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED TRAINING PROGRAMS WHERE IT TAKES A CUSTOMER CARE AGENT.
NOW, THREE WEEKS BEFORE THEY ARE SITTING ONLINE TAKING CALLS WITHOUT SUPERVISION.
SO IT, IT'S CALLED A NESTING PERIOD.
THEY ACTUALLY SIT WITH AN AGENT AND TAKE CALLS THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN THERE'S A SUPERVISOR WATCHING THEM.
WE WERE THROWING PEOPLE ONLINE IN A WEEK, WHICH WAS NOT RIGHT.
AND, AND SO THE CARE CENTER, I, I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THE CARE CENTER IS NOT AS FAR ALONG AS THE NETWORK.
THE NETWORK I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, 90% THERE.
THE CARE CENTER MIGHT BE 75, BUT WE HAVE MADE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT IN THAT TO IMPROVE THAT.
NOT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, AND NOT THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE SOME TIME TO REGAIN, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC.
ONCE YOU LOSE PUBLIC TRUST, IT TAKES TIME TO REGAIN IT BACK AND THAT, THAT TAIL WAGS THE DOG.
AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THOSE INVESTMENTS HAVE AND CONTINUE TO BE MADE.
CAN YOU KNOW THAT, JUST ONE SECOND.
FOLLOWING SOCIAL MEDIA, THE CUSTOMERS AREN'T COMPLAINING AS MUCH ABOUT A SERVICE GOING DOWN OR A NODE GOING DOWN AS THE HARD CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT THEY GET ON THE PHONE.
SO, I MEAN, AS, AS CLOSE AS THIS PAST SUMMER DURING THE HEAVY RAINSTORMS, YOU'D SEE PEOPLE WAITING FOR, UH, TO, TO GET, THEY COULDN'T GET AN ANSWER FOR DAYS.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, ULT.
UH, I THINK I KNOW IT BETTER SINCE I WAS THERE.
I LEFT LONG ISLAND JUST AS IT CAME ONLINE, BUT IT WAS GREAT SERVICE.
IN FACT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT HERE, BUT I THINK THE RESIDENTS HERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY DESERVE THAT, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE GREAT COUPLE OF YEARS, IF NOT AGREED.
SO, AND IF YOU COULD LEAVE ME YOUR CARD I ABSOLUTELY WILL.
MR. CAMPBELL, YOUR POINT BEFORE ABOUT, ABOUT PUBLIC TRUST, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT'S A, IT'S A LONG, HARD ROAD TO REBUILD.
SO THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, ERRORS WERE MADE IN TERMS OF THE LANGUAGE IN TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT IT NEEDED TO GET IN ORDER TO AWARD THIS, LOOKING TO CORRECT THAT THERE'LL BE A REISSUANCE, THE FUNDING SOURCES IDENTIFIED POTENTIALLY AND WILL BE SOUGHT.
BUT IN REBUILDING THE PUBLIC TRUST, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT AN UPDATE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON TRACK TOWARD, TOWARD THOSE GOALS? YOU IS, I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, AND AS BE DEADLINES GET MET AND THIS THING STARTS TO MOVE FORWARD ONCE WE SEE DEADLINES AND MILESTONES, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT ALONG WITH MOLLY, I MEAN, MOLLY AND I TALKED QUITE A BIT ALONG CORE AND I, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL KIND OF VERSED IN THIS.
WE LOST JEFF, BUT WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND, UM, I'M HAPPY TO AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, COUNSELOR.
LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION TO YOU ON EXACTLY WHAT, UH, THE COUNCIL SAID.
YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH OTHER UTILITIES, UH, IN THE VERDE VALLEY IN IN SEDONA HERE, AND WE HAVE POINT OF CONTACT PEOPLE THAT WHEN SOMETHING GETS REALLY BAD, WE HAVE A PERSON THAT WE COULD CALL.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM APS THAT'S PHENOMENAL.
I I I'M A BIG CHAMPION FOR HER.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD SOMEBODY FOR YOUR COMPANY WHEN IT, WHEN ALL HECK BREAKS LOOSE, THAT WE COULD CALL AND SAY, LISTEN, THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE.
AND WE'RE NOT, OUR, OUR RESIDENTS AREN'T BEING SERVICED.
IS THERE ANY HOPE OF THAT EVER HAPPENING? YEAH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 'EM.
WE'LL, YOUR CARD, WE ARE VIDEOTAPED, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY LACKING BECAUSE PEOPLE AND THE RESIDENTS DO TURN TO US AND SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.
I THINK YOU'LL BE SHOCKED TO HEAR THE KIND OF SERVICE I WAS GIVEN.
UM, MOLLY, I WANNA ASK YOU IN A, IN A, IN A SECOND ABOUT, UH, WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE.
UM, BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, I WANT TO JUST ADD ON TO THE SERVICE ISSUE BRIEFLY.
UM, I'VE EXPERIENCED THE SAME THINGS IN TERMS OF THE CUSTOMER SUPPORT IN THE, ON THE FRONT LINE AND SO FORTH, BUT I THINK IT'S DEEPER THAN THAT FROM, UH, WHAT I EXPERIENCED AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER PEOPLE TOO.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH PATIENCE, YOU CAN EVENTUALLY GET INTO A SUPERVISOR, WHICH I DID
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AT ONE POINT WITH A, A BILLING QUESTION WHERE I WAS OVERBILLED AND I WENT AND HAD IT, UM, TRIED TO GET IT REVERSED OR REFUNDED OR WHATEVER.AND I WAS LITERALLY TOLD AFTER MANY, MANY TRIES THAT YES, THEY ADMITTED THAT IT WAS, YOU ADMITTED IT WAS YOUR PROBLEM.
AND NO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA REFUND MY MONEY.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING IN A POLICY BOOK SOMEWHERE I THINK THAT PREVENTED THEM FROM DOING IT.
OR THE INDIVIDUAL I WAS SPEAKING TO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THEIR QUOTA.
AND IT WAS LIKE TWO DAYS FROM THE END OF THE MONTH, WHATEVER SOUNDS LIKE A TRAINING ISSUE, BUT IT WAS, HEAR YOU, IT WAS, IT WAS AMAZING THAT, THAT HAPPENED.
UM, SO MOLLY, WE, WE CAN NEED TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION, I SUPPOSE, AND I'M WONDERING, BECAUSE I'M STILL NOT QUITE SURE ABOUT THAT YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS.
UM, IF THIS, UH, THIS BEE MONEY IS AVAILABLE, UH, TO OPTIMUM TO, UH, TO APPLY FOR AND USE TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEM, IS IT AVAILABLE TO US DIRECTLY IF WE WANTED TO JUST, LET'S SAY AN EXTREME THING AND JUST SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO, WE'RE TIRED OF THIS WHOLE THING, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO IT ON OUR OWN.
UH, THE VILLAGE, OAK CREEK WILL LOVE YOU FOR IT.
UM, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE CARE OF OUR BORDERS AND WE'RE GONNA APPLY FOR THIS MONEY OURSELVES AND TAKE OUR CHANCES.
IS THAT A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE DECISION? AND WHAT ARE OPTIONS? MADAM MAYOR? UM, COUNSELOR THOMPSON.
I, UM, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I I, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT BE TO EVEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UM, ON, ON WHAT THE STRATEGY MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE.
UM, AT THIS POINT, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE ISPS ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THOSE FUNDS UNLESS WE HAD OUR OWN, UNLESS WE WERE OUR OWN PROVIDER.
UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH ALL THE FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, AND THEN THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE, UM, PROCESS WITH BROADBAND, I THINK THAT THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT ARE LOOKING FOR US TO PARTNER.
UM, WHETHER IT'S PARTNERING WITH THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK AND, AND, AND BRINGING THAT AROUND, UM, DOWN 1 79, OR LOOKING AT WAYS TO PARTNER WITH CAMP VERDE OR LOOKING AT WAYS TO PARTNER IN THE BROADER VERDE VALLEY.
I CAN TELL YOU WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRONG DIRECTION, BUT WE'RE, WE ARE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS COTTONWOODS INTEREST US VERSUS CLARKDALE VERSUS CAMP VERDE'S.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME FOLKS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I, THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING TO ABOUT THIS TO SEE WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT REAL DIRECTION AND, AND AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CRITERIA ARE TO EVEN KNOW HOW WE CAN WIN OR GET TO THAT MM-HMM.
I, I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT FEEDBACK.
UM, UM, AND TO THE COMMENT ABOUT DIRECTION, I MEAN THE, THE DIRECTION THAT I'M OPERATING FROM, UNLESS IT'S, IT IS CHANGED, IS, IS I'M GONNA KEEP GOING FORWARD TO SEE WHAT ARE, ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND WHAT ARE THE GRANT FUNDS AND WHAT ARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO LEVERAGE BETTER SERVICE HERE, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES IN SEDONA.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AND, AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, BEADS OUR BEST CHANCE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT UNTIL THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
BUT I'M SORRY IF IT'S JUST ME BEING DANCE AND EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSTANDS THIS, BUT IF, IF ONLY THE, THE ISPS CAN APPLY FOR THIS, BE FUNDING, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE TO DECIDE AHEAD OF TIME WHICH ONES WE WANT TO DEAL WITH, AND THEN THEY APPLY FOR THE MONEY THAT THEY NEED TO DO IT.
HOW DO THEY KNOW HOW MUCH TO APPLY FOR FOUR? I I, YOU KNOW, I, I AM UNCERTAIN.
I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW MR. CAMPBELL ANSWER THAT IN HERE IN A SECOND, BUT I, BUT I DO THINK, I THINK PART OF THE PUZZLE, OR AT LEAST PART OF THE PUZZLE PIECE FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I, I, I REMEMBER WORKING ON THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS IN WYOMING AND THEN NOW HERE, WE, WE NEVER GET TO UNDER, WE NEVER SEE WHERE THE ACTUAL SERVICES AND WITH THE MAPS, I'M, I'M MAYBE BEING TOO OPTIMISTIC OR HOPEFUL THAT IT'LL SHOW A LOT, BUT I'M HOPING THAT THAT'LL GIVE US A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT WILL BE SERVED OR WHERE, WHERE THE NEEDS ARE.
SO THAT WAY, IF IT WAS LIKE MOLLY ISP CAME IN AND SAID, WE'RE ONLY GONNA SERVE THIS PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY, THEN WE'D HAVE A REASON TO ASK THEM, WHY AREN'T YOU SERVING THE OTHER PORTION? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO TO LEVERAGE FOR YOU TO DO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MAPS THAT ARE TELLING US, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO'S BEING SERVED AND WHO'S NOT.
COUNSEL THOMPSON, MAY I FOLLOW UP ON YOUR QUESTION? I I, YEAH, PLEASE HELP ME.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE MS. CAMPBELL SAID THAT $2,200 IS, UH, FOR PAST, RIGHT? IS IS YOUR WHERE IT'S WORTH IT TO DO IT.
OR, OR, YOU KNOW, IF SEDONA BECOMES THAT EXPENSIVE TO RUN.
THAT IS, ARE WE OUT OF THE PICTURE? NO.
IF YOU GET IT, IF WE CAN GET IT DOWN TO 3000, WE'LL TALK, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE.
SO, TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'LL GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION.
ECONOMICS OR ECONOMICS, RIGHT? ALL, ALL ISPS
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ARE USING THE SAME CONSTRUCTION CREWS.THE COST TO BUILD TO A HOME IN SEDONA IS THE SAME FOR ME AS IT IS FOR SPARK LIGHT AS IT IS FOR ANYBODY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT, THE ECONOMICS DON'T CHANGE.
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A HEAD END, THAT COST IS NOT IN THERE.
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FIBER OUT OF THE HEAD END THAT'S, THAT'S THERE AND ALL THOSE, THAT POINTS TO THE FACT THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BEST THING TO DO IS EXPAND THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE CUZ OKAY, BUT, BUT JU JUST, JUST TO USE A VERY PRACTICAL, UH, JUST USE THAT EXAMPLE.
IF YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN MM-HMM.
I MEAN, WHERE'S THE COMPETITION? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE COMPETITION, WHERE THE COMPETITION IS TO GET THE LOWEST RATES BECAUSE EVENTUALLY IT, IT, IT'S NOT THAT WE WANT THE FIBER, WE WANT IT AT A COST THAT THE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD AS WELL.
AND HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THERE'S NO COMPETITION FOR THE SERVICE? IF I, IF I COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT, WE, WE KIND OF SAW A, A, A MICRO BIT OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THAT COMPETITION.
WHEN WE DID THE RFP PROCESS FOR THE AONS, AND IF ALL WE WOULD'VE RECEIVED WAS SPARK LIGHTS BID MM-HMM.
BUT MAYBE I, I MEAN I CAN'T SPEAK TO SPARK LIGHT.
THEY MAY HAVE HAD OTHER EXPENSES, OTHER THINGS THAT RAISED THEIR COSTS, BUT BECAUSE TS CAME IN AND THEY HAD A BID THAT WAS MUCH LOWER, SAY FOR ONE OF THESE AREAS, THEY WERE SELECTED AND SPARK LIGHT WASN'T RIGHT.
SO, AND, AND THE STATE, NONE OF THOSE, NONE OF THOSE COMPANIES WERE GUARANTEED ANY MONEY AT THAT POINT.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT PART B, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY WITH THIS PART B, IF ULT OPTIMUM IS APPLYING FOR THE MONEY AND THEY GET THE GRANT, THERE'S NO COMPETITION ANYMORE.
RIGHT? THE STATE OF ARIZONA WILL GO THROUGH COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT PROCESS LIKE WE DID WITH THE ARPA FUNDS, EXCEPT ON A MUCH LARGER SCALE.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE, AT YAVAPAI COUNTY, OUR BROADBAND TEAM HAS ALREADY HEARD ONE PROPOSAL THAT WOULD, UH, GO IN WITH FIVE COUNTIES WHERE THEY WOULD PROVIDE TO EVERYBODY IN THOSE COUNTIES, ALL, ALL FIVE OF THEM.
AND THEY WANTED OUR BLESSING TO GO ON THE BEAD MONEY, WHICH IS WHERE WE STARTED SAYING, WE NEED TO GET DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON HOW WE WANT TO PURSUE THIS.
SO THEY WILL HAVE, THEY WILL HAVE AN ARPA, I MEAN, THEY WILL HAVE A PROCUREMENT PROCESS WHERE THEY WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN AND GIVE THEM AMBITIOUS PROPOSALS SO THAT IT'S GONNA BE COMPETITIVE.
AND THEY CAN TALK ABOUT WITH IT, WE INCLUDED IN OUR PROPOSAL AS 20 POINTS OF WHAT WAS SUCCESSFUL IS WHAT THE CONSUMER'S GONNA PAY IN THEIR HOME.
SO DEPENDING ON HOW THEY BUILD THAT PROPOSAL TO, OR THAT RFP TOGETHER, OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA CALL IT, IT WILL ALLOW FOR A COMPETITIVE PROCESS FOR, FOR DIFFERENT ISPS TO PROPOSE.
AND IF, IF THEY, IF A COMPANY COMES IN AND BIDS THREE OR FOUR CO, UH, COUNTIES TOGETHER, FOR EXAMPLE, AND IT COVERS A LOT OF RURAL AREAS, THAT'S A LOT REALLY EXPENSIVE TO TAKE IT OUT TO.
THEN SEDONA IS HELPING TO FUND THAT BECAUSE OUR PRICE IS GONNA WIND UP BEING THE SAME, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT THE HEADS CLOSE OR WHATEVER THE, IT IT WAS A HEAD SOMETHING AT END.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE JUST, I'M I'M STILL JUST BAFFLED.
I HAVE A A A SIMILAR QUESTION.
THAT'S TOTALLY ILL, IT WON'T GET IN THE WAY OF MY ANSWER, WILL IT? I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE AN ANSWER YET,
I DON'T THINK THAT YOU, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.
BUT IT, MAYBE THIS WILL, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT UNDER THE ORIGINAL COUNTY BID COUNTY RFP, ART MONEY WAS ONLY GOING TO UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
WE WERE INCLUDED BECAUSE WE WERE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE MONEY AND THE PROVIDER WAS GONNA CONTRIBUTE MONEY.
WHY DON'T YOU BUILD IN SEDONA? WHY DON'T YOU BUILD OUT SEDONA? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
SO WHY, WHY DON'T YOU JUST DO THAT WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE GRANT ASSISTANCE? WHAT GRANT ASSISTANCE, WHETHER IT'S BEAD, WHETHER IT'S ARPA TO, WELL, YOU, IT WAS ARPA WAS NEVER GONNA BE IN SEDONA.
ACCORDING TO HIM WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS NEVER GONNA BE IN SEDONA, IT WAS JUST GONNA BE AN UNINCORPORATED YEAH.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR ARPA MONEY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY THAT CAME TO US THROUGH OUR NO, I KNOW, BUT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR CONTRIBUTION.
SO I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION, HOW IF UNDER THE ORIGINAL RFP
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WE WOULD'VE PUT IN OUR MONEY AND YOU WOULD'VE DONE IT CUZ YOU WOULD'VE PUT IN YOUR MONEY.SO I JUST PART IT SORT OF GOES TO THE, TO, TO HIS QUESTION, AND I KNOW THAT'S REALLY FUNDAMENTAL AND BASIC, AND PERHAPS I SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE HEARING AN ANSWER.
THE, THE ANSWER TO THAT, WELL, A IS IT TURNS OUT THE SEDONA HOMES WERE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ARPA.
WE HAD LISTED THEM AS ELIGIBLE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THE, I'M SORRY.
WELL, WE WERE NEVER ELIGIBLE FOR THE COUNTY'S APA MONEY.
NOT THE COUNTY'S APA, NOT ANY ARPA DOLLARS.
SO WHEN THE, WHEN THE TREASURY GUIDE, WHEN THE UNITED STATES TREASURY HANDED OUT THE $10 BILLION THAT EACH OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDS THAT WENT TO THE COUNTIES AND THE CITIES, UH, THEY PUT GUIDELINES ON WHERE THAT MONEY COULD GO.
AND YOUR ARPA FUNDS COULD NOT HAVE GONE TO AT THAT POINT TO PAY FOR BROADBAND BECAUSE YOU'RE SERVED.
WHAT IF WE HAVE OTHER FUNDS? YOU CAN USE YOUR GENERAL FUNDS ANY TIME.
AND THEN IF WE USE OUR GENERAL FUNDS, YOU'LL BUILD OUT SEDONA.
I WAS GONNA SAY MADAM MAYOR COUNCIL.
I, I, I KNOW WE DID TALK ABOUT USING, UM, GENERAL FUNDS TO THE, IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF THAT 500,000, BUT IT STILL WASN'T, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S I THINK THE, IT'S A, IT'S AN EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE BUILD AT THIS POINT.
YOU WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR BEAD, WHICH WILL DRIVE THE COST DOWN FOR US.
WE WILL BE GETTING FIBER FROM APS AND BUILDING OUR OWN FIBER, WHICH WILL DROP THE COST DOWN.
AND SO ALL THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING IS GONNA BRING IT HOPEFULLY INTO A MANAGEABLE POSITION WHERE, WHERE WE CAN BUILD IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW TO BUILD IT UNDER MARKET FORCES, AGAIN, THE ECONOMICS OR THE ECONOMICS, IT JUST WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE A PRUDENT WELL, WE WOULD PUT BUT PUT IN MONEY.
I MEAN THAT, I GUESS I CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
DID YOU GET YOUR ANSWER J GET IT? UM, I, I THINK MY ANSWER IS I, I, UH, I KNOW MOLLY'S ON TOP OF IT.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE CONVINCED THAT THE, THE CURBS ARE IN THERE TO MAKE THIS THE BEST WE CAN POSSIBLY DO, THEN THAT'S WHY I WAS WANTED TO ASK YOU WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE.
I STILL AM CURIOUS TO FIND OUT WHY OURS WAS, UH, $2,000 OF PASSING ON THIS OTHER THING AS OPPOSED TO CAMP VER IS ONLY A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF PASSING.
WHY WOULD, WHY WERE THEY MORE EXPENSIVE? OH, BECAUSE THAT, THAT 1900 OF PASSING INCLUDED A COMBINATION OF BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE, UM, CITY.
BUT TO GO THE CITY ALONE, THAT NUMBER GOES UP A WHOLE LOT.
BUT THE, THE, THE THREE THAT I WAS LOOKING AT HERE, THE SEDONA ONE APPARENTLY INCLUDED SEDONA AND THE VILLAGE IN THE COUNTY, IT INCLUDED THOSE 7,200 INCLUDED BOTH INCORPORATED AND UNINCORPORATED.
WHEN WE PULLED THE CITIES OUT, WHEN THE COUNTY SAID, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA GO WITH THE CITIES, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PULL THEM OUT, THEN THE COST COMPLETELY CHANGED FOR THE CITIES.
SO THIS, THIS PAGE, IT'S PAGE 44 IN MY, OR 43, SEDONA NOT APPROVED ALONG THE SIDE.
AND TWO SLIDES BEFORE THAT, CAMP VERDE NOT APPROVED.
AND THEY WERE BOTH NUMBERS THAT INDICATED WHAT THE BIDS CAME IN FOR THE COMBINED UNDIFFERENTIATED AREAS.
I, I, I THINK, I THINK I'VE, I MAY HAVE AN ANSWER THIS IF I'M WRONG LOOKING AT JIM.
I'M GIVE IT A, GIVE IT A WHIRL.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALK IT, IT COULD BE ON HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO BUILD OUT CERTAIN PARTS OF THESE PASSINGS THAT WERE IN THE PROPOSAL TWICE AS EXPENSIVE.
SO, SO IT COULD BE THAT AREAS IN THE VILLAGE WERE CHEAPER TO BUILD OUT TO THAN AREAS IN SEDONA AND THEY AVERAGED EACH OTHER OUT.
SO WHEN YOU PULL OUT THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK BUILD AND YOU JUST HAVE THE SEDONA BUILD, THEN THE COSTS GO UP BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT OFFSETTING IT BY, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
LOWER COSTS IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK.
SO IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD THE VILLAGE THAN IT IS SEDONA OTHER WAY AROUND.
I MEAN, WE HAVE ADDRESSES ON ALL THOSE.
SO, BUT, BUT STILL THAT WAS SEDONA INCLUDED THE VILLAGE THAT WAS ALL PACKED TOGETHER, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE IS BECAUSE THE VILLAGE WAS MORE EXPENSIVE.
THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE OVERALL.
THEY WERE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT LESS PER PASSING.
SO SEDONA WAS GETTING A, A BETTER DEAL BECAUSE THE VILLAGE WAS THERE, BUT CAMP VERDE AND ITS SURROUNDING AREAS WAS LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF PASSING.
DOES, DOES THE ANSWER TO THIS AFFECT MOVING FORWARD?
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I'M CURIOUS.YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD HONESTLY, IT, IT, I I REALLY DO THINK IT COULD, WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO STILL UNDERSTAND WHAT IT COSTS TO DO THIS WASS JUST ON OUR OWN, WHAT WE ARE CONTRIBUTING, NOT YEAH.
I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE.
THAT'S HOW I, I THINK WHAT HE SAID WAS IT NOT, I'M SORRY, ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO DO THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S $60 MILLION IF WE WANT TO DO IT, THEN IT'S PROBABLY NOT WHAT THE TIME FOR IT.
MY DIRECTION WOULD BE, MOLLY, COME BACK TO US WHEN YOU GET SOME MORE INFORMATION AND WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS THAT SEEM MORE APPROPRIATE.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PURSUE THIS SEPARATELY.
I'M READY FOR WHAT OPTIONS DO WE HAVE, IF ANY, TO, UH, MAKE ANY KIND OF, WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION BEFORE WAS ABOUT HOW SOON WOULD THIS COME BACK TO US WHEN WE SEE THIS AGAIN WITH MORE INFORMATION TO KNOW THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ON A PATH TO MOVE FORWARD TO, TO, TO CORRECT THIS.
I MEAN, WE'RE AT A DEFICIT NOW IN TERMS OF TIMELINE OF WHAT WE, WHAT CITIZENS THOUGHT.
YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, ACCESS AND, AND WE ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE.
I, I, I NEED TO KNOW WHEN, WHEN WE CAN EXPECT SOME REAL INFORMATION THAT WILL MOVE US FORWARD TO THE END GOAL.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THE END GOAL, RIGHT? SO GETTING US THERE NEXT STEP IS WHAT AND WHEN MADAM MAYOR, UM, COUNSELOR CAN TELL IT.
I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, TO REITERATE IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, I THINK WHEN IT, TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT WHEN TO COME BACK AND UPDATE, I THINK WHEN WE ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT THE STATE AND WHAT THE STATE'S DOING WITH THE BEAD FUNDS AND HOW THOSE ARE GONNA ROLL OUT AND WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE, UM, I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO, TO PROBABLY RECONVENE OR AT LEAST TRIGGER THAT, YOU KNOW, SEE IF THAT WAS THE RIGHT TIME, UM, TO COUNSELOR THOMPSON'S SOME, SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS THERE WHEN IT CAME, WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT DIRECTION AM I TAKING AWAY, UM, IS THAT I'M GOING TO CONSIDER TO, I'M, I'M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT BEAD FUNDING AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.
UM, I KNOW THAT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ENCOMPASSING ALL RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES BOTH IN COCONINO AND YAVAPAI COUNTY PORTIONS OF, OF, UM, OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN I'M HEARING THAT COMPETITION IS, IS SOMETHING THAT IS OF, YOU KNOW, UNDER, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO JUST IN AN EFFORT TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS.
I, I, AND I'M GONNA KIND OF LOOK TO YOU, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL HERE TONIGHT, BUT, BUT, UM, COREY IS, IS BECAUSE BECAUSE OPTIMUM HAS SO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE HERE, IT'S GOING TO END UP BEING LESS EXPENSIVE IF, IF THEY'RE EXPANDING IN A LOT OF WAYS.
AND I SEE THAT THAT COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE THAT THAT'S MAYBE HOW SOME OF THOSE GRANT FUNDS COULD BE AWARDED.
SO, SO I WANT, I WANTED TO MAKE THAT KIND OF, THAT COMMENT.
I, I CAN'T GUARANTEE HOW THAT'LL SHAKE OUT, BUT YEAH, I, I MEAN, I, I THINK TO A CERTAIN DEGREE IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT GO, UM, IN FRONT OF THE STATE.
HOW MUCH, UH, SUPPORT THEY GET FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNING AUTHORITIES.
AND, AND I, I CAN TELL YOU WHEN IT COMES TO, AND WHEN ARE THOSE PROPOSALS GOING IN FRONT OF THE STATE, UH, WHEN THEY THAT TO BE DETERMINED AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED AT THIS POINT.
BUT, UH, I CAN TELL YOU I'M ON THE ARIZONA TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND INFORMATION COUNCIL.
WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF.
I'M IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH DR.
AARON CARR, JORDAN, WHO'S WRITING THE EQUITY PLAN.
UH, I'M IN TOUCH WITH THE STATE LIBRARY WHO'S INVOLVED WITH DEVELOPING THAT EQUITY PLAN.
I'VE GOT AS MANY CONNECTIONS AS I CAN, UH, TO HELP WITH, WITH US KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO BE COMPETITIVE TO HELP GET AS MUCH OF THAT SERVICE AS WE CAN FOR OUR COMMUNITIES IN OUR COUNTY.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, COREY, THOSE PROPOSALS GO INTO THE STATE PLAN, WHICH THEN THAT'S THE APPLICATION FOR THE BEAD FUNDING? WELL, THE, THE DIGITAL EQUITY PLAN HAS TO BE COMPLETED IN ORDER TO DO ANYTHING WITH BEAD.
SO IF THE STATE DOESN'T DO THEIR DIGITAL EQUITY PLAN, WE GET ZERO BEAD DOLLARS.
SO THAT HAS TO BE DONE FIRST, AND THE STATE IS WORKING DILIGENTLY ON MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
ONCE IT'S COMPLETE, THEN THERE'S, I'M ASSUMING OTHER PARTS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE BEAD PROCESS BEFORE THE STATE CAN ACTUALLY START PUTTING OUT A COMPETITIVE, UH, PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
THEY, THEY BUILD THE RULES FOR THE APPLICATION PROCESS USING THE TREASURY GUIDELINES AS THE GUARDRAILS.
AND EVERY STATE WANTS TO PUT THEIR OWN STAMP ON IT, BUT EVERY STATE IS GONNA HAVE TO GET BOTH THEIR DIGITAL EQUITY PLAN AND THEIR RULES REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE N NT I AND THE NT I A IS ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF, DOES ARIZONA, HAS IT HAVE ITS OWN NT IF THEY NAMED AN NT? I THEY'RE PUTTING REGIONAL, YEAH, THEY HAVE A REP.
SO THE NT I IS ACTUALLY PUTTING
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PEOPLE IN EACH STATE, ESPECIALLY THE BIG STATES IN ARIZONA, WOULD CERTAINLY BE ONE OF THOSE WHERE THEY WOULD BE CAPTURED BY THIS STATE, WHICH SHOULD BE A RESOURCE AS WELL.THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED STAFFING ALL OF IT.
I KNOW THEY JUST HIRED THE ONE IN, IN TEXAS AND WEST VIRGINIA.
BUT, UH, WHEN I FIND OUT, I'LL, I'LL PASS THAT ALONG.
NICOLE, YOU MAUM IS OUR, UH, NT I A REP FOR ARIZONA, AND I USED TO WORK WITH HER WHEN SHE WAS AT THE STATE LIBRARY, SO I, I KNOW HER PRETTY WELL.
SO IS THE $42 BILLION THAT SOME, THE TOTAL THAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROGRAM? IT'S ACTUALLY 64.
UH, THERE WAS AN, UH, SOME OF THAT'S MADE AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABILITY.
SO YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD OF ACP, WHICH IS, UH, THE AFFORDABLE CONNECT PROGRAM, WHICH WE ARE A PARTICIPANT IN.
AND, UH, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IN SEDONA, UH, ANYBODY QUALIFIES FOR ACP COULD GET 75 DOWN, FIVE UP FOR FREE, CUZ THEY COULD USE THE ENTIRE $30 CREDIT WITH, WITH ALT.
SO, UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET INFORMATION ON THAT SO YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH RESIDENTS.
SO YES, A PORTION OF IT WENT TO AFFORDABILITY AND A PORTION OF IT WENT TO PHYSICAL DEPLOYMENT.
AND THEN EVERY STATE'S GETTING ALLOCATED KIND OF BASED ON NEEDS AND, AND POPULATION.
PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF POLITICS ON IT AS WELL.
UM, I KNOW WE, WE HAVE, WE'RE, WE'RE CONCERNED AND I LOOK FORWARD WHEN MOLLY THINKS IT'S APPROPRIATE WHEN THERE'S INFORMATION COMING BACK AND, AND HEARING FROM PEOPLE AS TO WHAT, WHAT WE CAN EXPECT AND, AND HOW THINGS ARE GOING.
I CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE OPTIONS TO BRING
UH, DON'T WE HAVE CARDS AND JUST WHAT, ON THAT POINT, MOLLY DID SEND JIM'S CONTACT INFORMATION OUT TO ALL OF YOU CARD.
OH, WE DO HAVE, OH, MOLLY, YOU'RE, IT'S ALL IN YOUR EMAIL.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE CARDS.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND WATCH THE TIMER OVER ON THE BAR OVER THERE.
AND, UM, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I AM JAMES CURRY, AND I AM FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA.
I ORIGINALLY GOT INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
HE ASKED ME TO COMMENT ON THE COUNTY'S CONTRACT WITH ALTS.
AND THE REASON HE ASKED ME TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE OF MY PRE-RETIREMENT PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND, WHICH IN PART WAS IN CABLE.
UM, AND I DEFER TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM OPTIMUM ON THIS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE BEING SHOPPED FOR SALE.
SO AT LEAST PART OF THE COMPANY IS CURRENTLY UP FOR SALE AND WILL BE SOLD OFF TO ANOTHER ENTITY, AND YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER INTERESTED ISPS IN SEDONA.
UH, WE'VE SPOKEN TO SIX OR SEVEN OF THEM, ALL OF THEM, VERY WELL REGARDED.
TWO OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY DOING MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS ON BUILDING OUT AN OVERBUILD IN SEDONA, ARIZONA.
YOU CAN TALK TO THOSE FOLKS AS WELL.
UM, NO, NO MATTER WHO PROVIDES THE FUNDING, WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THE IS P OWNS AND PROFITS FROM THE BUILT SYSTEM AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND THAT'S TAXPAYER MONEY GOING TO A FOR-PROFIT COMPANY.
UM, THEY DON'T NEED A PARTNER, BUT IT'S PROBABLY, UH, A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A PARTNER.
IT CAN BE THIS ISP OR IT CAN BE ONE OF THE OTHER ISPS THAT ARE INVOLVED.
BUT YOU, YOURSELVES AS A CITY CAN PARTICIPATE IN LOOKING FOR A GRANT FROM, UH, THE STATE IN BEAT.
IN FACT, JUST ABOUT ANY KIND OF ORGANIZATION CAN STEP FORWARD AND ASK FOR A GRANT FROM THE BEAD A PROCESS.
IT CAN BE, UH, UH, INTER, INTER, UH, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, SPECIAL DISTRICTS, UH, CO-OP ORGANIZATIONS, PRIVATE CITIZENS.
IT COULD BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
IN FACT, IT'S VERY WELL STAYED IN THE LEGISLATION THAT THAT'S INDEED WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING.
UM, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, AND I'VE SAID THIS, UH, BEFORE TO THE CITY AND TO OTHERS, YOU SHOULD HIRE SOMEBODY WHO'S AN EXPERT IN THIS PROCESS.
THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS.
YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON YOUR SIDE WHO'S GONNA BE ABLE TO, UH, MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING THE RIGHT INFORMATION AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GOING FORWARD.
UM, IF ANYBODY NEEDS INFORMATION FROM ME, YOU KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF ME THROUGH MOLLY OR THROUGH KURT.
AFTER THAT IS MARY SHOOK QUINN.
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I'M, UH, TOM BENNINGS, VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK.AND, UH, CERTAINLY DISAPPOINTED AS YOU ARE WITH HOW THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED HERE.
I'M ALSO, MY CAREER IS AS A COMMUNITY ECONOMIST, BEEN DOING THAT FOR MY ENTIRE CAREER.
AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IN MY VIEW, THIS DECISION IN MAKING SURE THAT THIS INVESTMENT HAPPENS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THE COMMUNITIES CAN DO FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
AND I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED BY, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOW WITH THE BEAD FUNDING, AND I DON'T SEE A FEDERAL OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS COMING AROUND AGAIN.
AND SO IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW.
UH, WITH THIS SPEED FUNDING, WE MAY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO SCREW UPS, UH, MOVING FORWARD, AND THAT WE DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY.
THE, AND SO I CONCUR WITH MR. CURRY THAT YOU, YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY, UH, HIRED OR CONSULTANT CONSULTING WITH TO MAKE SURE AND TO, TO MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK THERE'S AN, THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE FACE HERE, QUITE FRANKLY, IS THE REPUTATION OF SUDDENLINK.
AND, AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT ISSUE, AND I KNOW THE REBRANDING AND THAT'S ENCOURAGING AS A CONSUMER OF YOUR SERVICE.
I ALSO KNOW THAT IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER, SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER, BUT IT'S STILL WAY UNDERSERVED, RIGHT? AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AND I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF COMPETITION.
I THINK THE CHOICES ARE GOING TO BE LIMITED OF WHO YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND IT MAY ONLY BE OPTIMUM.
AND SO WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO, UH, ADDRESS THE REPUTATION PROBLEM SO THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME, ASSUMING THIS IS THE CASE, TO GIVE A LETTER OF ENDORSEMENT, I KNOW THAT FOR ME, IT'LL BE A HARD SELL IN THE VILLAGE.
AND SO, BUT IT'S, IT MAY BE THE ONLY SELL THAT WE HAVE, SO WE HAVE TO WORK TO OVERCOME THAT.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD COUNT ON YOUR ORGANIZATION TO HELP WITH THAT REBRANDING EFFORT AND, AND THE REPUTATION ISSUE.
UH, MARY JAQUIN, I LIVE IN LAKE MONTEZUMA, BUT REPRESENTING VIVI RIO.
AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD REGIONALLY IN DISCUSSING AND LOOKING AT THE CURRENT FUNDING AND THE WAY THINGS ARE NOW AS A REGION.
WE CAME TOGETHER AND DECIDED THAT EACH OF THE D COMMUNITIES NEEDS TO ADDRESS BROADBAND IN THEIR OWN WAY.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROVIDERS, DIFFERENT PROCESSES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE.
SO I KNOW THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE, A COUNCIL MEMBER THIS EVENING.
I THINK THAT'S WHY MOLLY IS TAKING THE LEAD WITH YOU WITHIN THE SEDONA AND THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK AREA, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SPECIFIC NEEDS AND SPECIFIC PROVIDERS YOU'RE WORKING WITH.
CLARKDALE HAS A DIFFERENT PROVIDER.
COTTONWOOD HAS A DIFFERENT PROVIDER.
SO THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE APPROACH HAS MOVED INTO MORE OF A COMMUNITY CENTERED APPROACH.
BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT VV RIO IS WILLING, IF THERE IS A REGIONAL NEED AS FAR AS THE BROADBAND PROCESS, WE ARE WILLING TO ASSIST WITH THAT.
BUT THAT THE FINAL MILE REALLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL AREAS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT COULD BE REGIONALLY ADDRESSED AS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ISPS.
IF THERE'S AN ISP THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND POSSIBLY WORK WITHIN THE ENTIRE REGION, WE COULD HELP BRING TOGETHER THE COMMUNITIES TO LOOK AT THAT.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE MORE PROVIDERS, THE BETTER RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
IT ALSO ADDRESSES WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT ABOUT THE HOUSE PASSING.
WHAT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE IS TOPOGRAPHY.
AND SO IF YOU CAN BUILD PAST HOUSES THAT HAVE FLAT LAND, IT'S A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING IN LOTS OF HEAVY ROCK AND UPHILL, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, EQUALIZE THE COSTS.
AND I THINK THAT'S, AGAIN, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT, THAT WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT IS HOW WE DO THAT AND THE DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, OF HOW IT'S ADDRESSED.
ANOTHER PROVIDER WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT A LOT TONIGHT IS APS, WHO IS A HUGE PARTNER WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN PROVIDING NOT JUST UNDERGROUND, BUT ABOVE GROUND.
AND SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE ALL AT PLAY AS WE'RE MOVING, MOVING THIS FORWARD.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? SO I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO TAKE A BREAK UNLESS SOMEBODY OBJECTS.
NOT TO BRING DISAPPOINTING AND DISAGREEABLE NEWS.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION THOUGH.
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AND THE NEXT NEXT ITEM IS, UH, ITEM[8.b. AB 2847 Discussion/possible action regarding authorization of a proposed fare and fare policy for the city’s MicroTransit service and direct staff to seek public comment]
EIGHT B AB 28 47.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AUTHORIZATION OF A PROPOSED FAIR AND FAIR POLICY FOR THE CITY'S MICRO TRANSITS SERVICE AND DIRECT STAFF TO SEEK PUBLIC COMMENT.
WHO IS ROBERT? JUST YOU, I GUESS, HUH? THANK YOU, MADAME WEM, ME AND COUNSELORS.
UM, EVERY HEAR ME OKAY? THIS? YEAH.
THIS ITEM IS BEING BROUGHT BACK TO YOU FROM LAST JANUARY.
YOU MIGHT PULL A MIC DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
THIS WAS, UH, THIS DOVETAILS IN OUR DISCUSSION.
IT STARTED LAST JANUARY WHERE WE WANTED TO GET SOME FRAMEWORK ON MICRO TRANSITS FAIRS.
UM, THE ACTUAL MI MICRO CHANCE PROJECTS BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY DELAYED DUE TO VEHICLE AVAILABILITY.
SO WE'VE HAD THIS SITTING IN THE WINGS.
UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY KICKED THIS BACK TWICE NOW, UH, ON YOUR AGENDA.
SO WE THOUGHT WE'D GET THIS HOPEFULLY OUT OF THE WAY.
GIVE US SOME TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR FINAL DECISION, AND HAVE THE FAIR POLICY IN PLACE, UM, WHEN WE'RE READY TO LAUNCH, UH, THAT SECOND PHASE OF THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.
SO AT THE JANUARY 25TH MEETING, AT THAT TIME, AFTER QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION, THE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT GAVE US DIRECTION TO, UH, COME RETURN TO, TO THE COUNCIL WITH A FAIR STRUCTURE THAT WOULD INCREASE THE ONE-WAY REGULAR FAIR TO $6 AND THE DISCOUNTED FAIR TO $3.
AND WE'LL GO OVER THE DISCOUNT FAIRS AGAIN, JUST AS A REFRESHER.
UH, REMOVE THE MONTHLY PASS FAIR OPTION AND DEVELOP A DISCOUNTED MULTI RIDE PASS FOR 10 TO 12.
OFFER A 50% DISCOUNT TO ARIZONA RESIDENTS WITH A VALID A JUST, JUST, YOU CAN JUST SAY ACCESS WITH EVERYBODY.
I EV EVERYONE WILL UNDERSTAND, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND THEN ADD A FREE FAIR, UH, PROVISION FOR CHILDREN UNDER FIVE.
UH, THIS IS ALL IN YOUR AGENDA, BILL.
I DON'T HAVE A POWERPOINT FOR YOU.
UM, BASICALLY THAT IS WHAT WE'RE COMING BACK WITH.
THE ONLY THING THAT, UM, MAY NEED SOME, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE AND DIRECTION AS WE'VE OFFERED TWO TYPES OF PASSES, WHICH ARE MULTI, MULTI RIDE PASSES, IS WHAT WAS ASKED FOR, UM, OPTION A AT THE, UH, FULL PASS COST, WHICH IS HERE IN THE, UH, THE TABLE IN YOUR, UM, AGENDA BILL.
AND THEN OPTION B, UM, WHICH IS FURTHER, FURTHER DISCOUNTS THAT PASS.
UM, BOTH FOR THE, THE, UH, I'M SORRY, OPTION, YEAH, OPTION A FOR THE REGULAR PASS AND OPTION B, WHICH FURTHER DISCOUNTS THE, THE PAST BY OFFERING 12 TRIPS, UH, FOR $50, UH, WHICH NORMALLY WOULD BE A RETAIL VALUE OF $72.
UH, ASSUMING WE'RE AT $6 A TRIP, I DID MY MATH RIGHT, WHICH IS ABOUT A $30, 30%, UH, DISCOUNT.
SO, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE DISCOUNT PASSES ARE ALIGNED, UH, SIMILARLY.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE COMING BACK WITH AS, AS, AS OPTIONS BASED ON WHAT THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR, JUST, UH, TO TEST THE WATERS.
WE DID PUT THIS IN FRONT OF THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE BACK IN JULY.
AND, UH, AT THAT POINT, LOOKING AT MY NOTES HERE, AND I THINK I HAD IT IN THE BILL AS WELL, THAT, UM, 50% OF THE TACK MEMBERS WERE IN FAVOR OF THE PASSENGER AND DISCOUNTED AFFAIRS AS PROPOSED AN OPTION B FOR THE MULTI RO UH, MULTI, UH, RIDE PASS.
THEY WERE ALL, THEY WERE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF THE $6 FAIR, THE $3, THE DISCOUNTED FAIRS FOR THAT GROUP AND, AND THE FREE FAIR FOR CHILDREN.
BUT WHEN WE GOT INTO THE, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL PASS, MULTI RIDE PASS THERE WERE SPLIT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE, 50% WANTED, UM, OPTION B, WHICH IS THE DEEPER DISCOUNT, UH, FOR BOTH OF THOSE, UH, ELEMENTS.
BUT ANOTHER 50% WAS SUGGESTING SOMETHING NEW, WHICH IS THAT WE CONSIDER OFFERING THE SERVICE FOR A SIX MONTH PERIOD TO REEVALUATE THE SERVICE AND DETERMINE WHAT, IF ANY, PASSENGER FAIRS WOULD BE CHARGED.
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AND THE RATIONALE FROM THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE WAS THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO USE THE SERVICE SOMEWHAT AS A PILOT, AS WE, AS WE, UH, INITIALLY LAUNCH THE FOLKS THAT WANTED THE TE UH, THE DEEPER DISCOUNT FELT THERE SHOULD BE SOME FAIR PAID, UM, BECAUSE THEY, THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE SERVICE TO RUN.SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU.
I DON'T HAVE A FISCAL IMPACT, UH, FORECAST FOR YOU.
WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW UNTIL WE SEE ACTUAL RIDERSHIP UNTIL WE SEE ACTUAL PAYER MIX, CUZ WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A MIX OF FULL FAIR DISCOUNT FAIR AND JUST GO KIND OF SEE HOW THAT TRENDS BEFORE I COULD, WE CAN START PROJECTING WHAT OUR REVENUES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I WOULD BE HAPPY, UH, TO SEE AT LEAST 15% FAIR BOX RECOVERY FROM OUR OPERATING COSTS, WHICH WOULD BE A NICE START.
SO MAYBE WE CAN SET THAT AS AN INITIAL BENCHMARK AND THEN COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS HAS BEEN, THIS CAN'S BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD QUITE A WHILE.
UM, I'M FINALLY GETTING PRICING IN ON VEHICLES.
UM, I WON'T TIE YOU UP UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AS TO WHY THERE'S BEEN SUCH A DELAY, BUT OPTIMISTICALLY, I I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT IF WE GET THE ORDERS IN WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL AND WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE MAY BE LOOKING AT A IMPLEMENTATION FOR MICROT TRANSIT OF MID 2023 OR AT LEAST SECOND QUARTER.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO GET THIS MOVING ALONG, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN START THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
THERE'S A 90 DAY PUBLIC COMMENT BASED ON CITY PROCESS IN THERE ALSO, OR FEDERAL PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO.
I HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS IN THAT 90 DAYS AND GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK, ALL OF WHICH WILL BE SUMMARIZED AND RETURNED TO THIS COUNCIL FOR FINAL ACTION.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION FROM ME, UM, WE CAN DO ANY OF THESE.
UM, I WOULD LEAN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE AND GO TOWARD THAT LOWER DISCOUNT TO START, UM, LOWER DISCOUNT, LOWER OR HIGHER.
THE, THE LOWER THE A HIGHER DISCOUNT.
OPTION B UH, WOULD, WOULD GIVE THE, THE, THE DEEPER DISCOUNT PROBABLY IS A BETTER WORD.
UM, I, FREE FAIRS ARE WORKING FINE FOR THE, THE SHUTTLES.
UM, THAT'S, THAT IS, UH, A DISCONNECTED SERVICE AS I REFER TO IT.
YOU HAVE TO GET TO THE PARKING RIDE TO USE THE SHUTTLES, THAT TYPE OF THING.
IS IT DIFFERENT CLIENTELE? I THINK, I THINK IF WE OFFER FREE FAIRS ON YOUR GENERAL PUBLIC DIALER RIDES, THAT'S GOING TO BRING SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE PAST AND I CAN JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
SO KATHY, I'M NOT TELL, JUST REMIND ME PLEASE.
WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS IN DEPTH LAST TIME, BUT IF WE SET, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS JUST THE ACTION BEFORE US IS TO PUT THIS OUT AT, UM, IN THE PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN GET PUBLIC COMMENT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT LOOKING FURTHER DOWN THE TIMELINE, ONCE A FAIR IS SET, UM, IT CAN BE CHANGED AT ANY TIME.
AS LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO, UH, OBSERVE THOSE FEDERAL GUIDELINES WE TALKED ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO ELDERLY, DISABLED.
UM, BUT THE, UH, THE TRUTH OF IT IS, AND, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S EASIER TO LOWER FAIRS THAN RAISE THEM RIGHT IN EVERY CASE, BUT, BUT, UH, SOMETIMES IT'S NECESSARY.
THAT GOES TO THE QUESTION I HAD TOO, ABOUT THE HALF OF THE COMMITTEE THAT RECOMMENDED STARTING IT AS A, UH, A PILOT AS A FREE PROGRAM.
YOU, UM, IS THERE RELUCTANCE ON YOUR PART TO GO WITH THAT BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTY OF THEN IMPLEMENTING FAIRS AFTER THE FACT? NO, THE, MY RELUCTANCE HAS TO DO WITH PAST EXPERIENCE WITH GOING WITH ZERO FAIRS IN A SYSTEM.
UM, I WILL DELICATELY PHRASE THIS, THAT IT DOES ATTRACT ELEMENTS TO THE SYSTEM THAT CAN DO TWO THINGS, DRIVE DOWN RIDERSHIP, AND DRIVE UP PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSES TO THE SYSTEM DUE TO BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS. WE, WE HAD, UM, DURING COVID IN CALIFORNIA, WE SUSPENDED FARES ALONG WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER TRANSIT PROPERTY IN THE NATION.
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WE IMMEDIATELY SAW THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSES DOUBLED TO THE SYSTEM.OUR PASSENGER AND OPERATOR ASSAULTS INCREASED AND OUR RIDERSHIP DECREASED BECAUSE PEOPLE FELT LESS SAFE ON THE SYSTEM.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD COME TO, YOU KNOW, BE AN ISSUE IN SEDONA.
I, I, I, ROBERT, I THINK YOU SAID YOU'D LIKE TO AT LEAST SEE A RECOVERY OF 50% OF THEIR OPERATING COSTS, OR WAS IT 15 OR WHAT WAS THE 15? ONE FIVE.
WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CONSIDERING TO BE DOING PRETTY WELL IN PUBLIC TRANSIT IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN DO THAT OVERALL.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AN 85% SUBSIDY DOWN THE ROAD LONG TERM ANYWAY, OR? YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A TIPPING POINT, UH, WITH FAIRS.
I CALL IT THE GOLDY NALOXONE ZONE, TRYING TO FIND THAT OR JUST FAIR.
YOU DON'T WANNA RAISE 'EM SO MUCH THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY, UH, DETERRING RIDERSHIP, BUT YOU DO WANT TO TRY TO GET SOME, UH, SUB SOME REVENUE GENERATED COMING BACK.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, AS WE LEARNED IN COVID AND A LOT OF PROPERTIES LEARN THIS AS WELL, WHEN YOU PUT OUT A FREE SERVICE, THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT, THAT COME UP WITH THAT, THAT ESSENTIALLY COULD POTENTIALLY COST THE CITY MORE IN, YOU KNOW, UH, LITIGATION.
SO, WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PROTECT AGAINST THAT, EVEN ON PAIN FAIRS, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO GETS ON THAT'S A LOW RISKY WELL, YEAH, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST, YEAH, JUST, BUT I GUESS, IS THERE ANY CONCERN THAT IF YOU OFFER IT FREE FOR SIX MONTHS, THAT WE WON'T REALLY HAVE AN ATTIC, A REPRESENTATIVE CASE OF WHAT PAYING FAIR CUSTOMERS WOULD BE IN TERMS OF NUMBERS AND IT MIGHT THROW OFF WHAT WE WOULD ASSUME? NO.
SO WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO THE FREE FAIR.
I, I'VE JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVEN YOU THE, MY EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH, UH, SYSTEMS THAT HAVE DONE THAT.
SO YOU FOUND THAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT FOR FREE FAIR SETUPS, THE NUMBERS REMAIN FAIRLY STEADY EVEN ONCE THEY STARTED TO ADJUST IN TERMS OF RIDERSHIP, WE SAW, WELL, IT WAS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO JUDGE IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID WHETHER WE SAW A DOWNTURN IN RIDERSHIP.
UM, I WAS NOT IN CALIFORNIA WHEN THOSE FAIRS WERE REINSTATED, BUT I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH THE GENERAL MANAGER LAST WEEKEND AND I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION, HOW DID IT WORK? AND TWO THINGS HAPPENED WHEN, FIRST OF ALL, THEY HAD A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, THAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO SEE FAIRS REINSTATED, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, UH, FOR THE RE TO, TO TRY TO, UH, DISCOURAGE THOSE ELEMENTS THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE FROM USING THE SERVICE.
UM, ONCE FAIRS WERE REINSTATED, TWO THINGS HAPPENED, WHICH SURPRISED A NUMBER OF PEOPLE RIDERSHIP WENT UP.
UM, AND, UM, THEY GOT A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
THEY FELT A LOT SAFER ON THE SYSTEM.
SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE DOLLARS AND CENTS, BUT THO THOSE ARE JUST THE, THOSE ARE JUST THE, UM, THINGS THAT I HAVE YOU MADE ASSUMPTIONS ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE 15% WILL BE AND RIDERSHIP WILL BE IN ORDER TO GET TO HELP US SET SOME NUMBER THAT REALLY WOULD MINIMIZE THAT SHIFTING ONCE, UH, THINGS CHANGE OR WE GET THE THING GOING IF WE DON'T GO FREE.
TO SOME DEGREE, LOOKING AT POTENTIAL RIDERSHIP PROJECTIONS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT A 15% FAIR BOX RECOVERY.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO, TO EVEN SAY THAT.
I'M, I'M EVEN ACCURATE WITH SOME OF MY ASSUMPTIONS BECAUSE WHEN YOU DEAL WITH DISCOUNTED FAIRS AND FULL FAIR, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS ARE USING THE SYSTEM, PAYING THE DISCOUNTED FAIR VERSUS THE FULL FAIR.
SO IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE YOU THROW IT OUT THERE AND WE START TO SEE EXACTLY REALLY WHAT THE REVENUES ARE AND HOW THAT OFFSETS AGAINST OUR ACTUAL OPERATING COSTS.
THEN I CAN COME BACK AND GO, WELL, HERE'S HOW IT'S PERFORMING.
DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS RAISING FAIRS TO TRY TO TRY TO GET THAT FAIR BOX RECOVERY RATIO INCREASED OR NOT? SO WE, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE SOME DATA.
AND THE, THE ATTACK THOUGH, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THEY DID, BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY WERE ALL OKAY WITH THE SINGLE RIDE PRICING? THEY WERE ALL OKAY WITH THE FAIR STRUCTURE AND REALLY ALL WE'RE OKAY WITH OPTION B, BUT 50% RECOMMENDED THE FREE FAIR SIX MONTH.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, HERE'S WHAT WE RECOMMEND,
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BUT WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS.SO, WELL, TO ME, ONE IS THE, THE REGULAR PAST DISCOUNT PASS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY LIKE B ON THOSE CHOICES FOR THE MULTIPLE RIDES.
RIGHT? IF I BUY 12 RIDES, RIGHT.
WHAT WAS THEIR FEELING ON THE SINGLE RIDE PRICING OF SIX AND $3? YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF MIXED.
I, I THINK THAT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THE COMMITTEE, IT WAS TOO HIGH.
SOMETHING DIDN'T WANT TO PAY, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM, BUT MY SENSE WAS WITH THE BUSINESS FOLKS THAT WERE ON THE COMMITTEE, THEY WANTED TO ENSURE THERE WAS, THERE WAS INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO USE THE SYSTEM.
SO KIND OF A MIXED BAG, WHAT WOULD YOUR PREFERENCE BE BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE ON THE SINGLE RIGHT SIDE? YEAH, AS I STATED, I, I WOULD, I WOULD CONSIDER OPTION B.
THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT STARTING OUT WITH A FREE FAIR.
YOU'RE COMING IN WITH A LOWER FAIR AND, UM, NO, I'M SORRY, ON THE SINGLE RIDE PRICING, THE OPTION AND THREE, WELL, YEAH, THEY WERE FINE WITH THAT MULTIPLE.
SO THE SIX AND THREE THEY RAISED OKAY.
THAT, THAT DIDN'T RAISE REALLY THE DISCUSSION GOT INTO THE, THESE, THESE MULTI-USE PASSES BECAUSE YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE, WE KNEW.
SO, BECAUSE IF I, THEY'RE OKAY WITH A SINGLE RIDE, AT LEAST PAYING THREE BUCKS.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IF I'M A RES, IF I'M A RESIDENT AND I'M GONNA USE THE SERVICE, AND WE KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE TWO TRANSIT, UH, DEPENDENT FOLKS ON THAT COMMITTEE MM-HMM.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU THOUGHT THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE BUYING MULTIPLE PASSES OR SINGLE PASSES, DO YOU THINK MOST OF THE RIDERSHIP, IS IT LIKE 80 20 SINGLE PASS OR IS IT, I THINK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL SEE ONCE WE GET OUT THERE IS THAT, OR OUR VISITORS ARE GONNA BE PAYING FULL FREIGHT AND MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE PASSES CUZ THEY'LL KNOW ABOUT 'EM.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS GONNA HAPPEN.
SO I, I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION KIND OF TAGS ALONG WITH WHAT TOM WAS ASKING YOU.
IN THE BREAKDOWN OF THE TECH, YOU'VE GOT THREE CITIZENS AND YOU'VE GOT THREE NON, I MEAN, THEY MIGHT BE RESIDENTS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY REPRESENT ORGANIZATIONS.
I SEEM TO RECALL THE, THE, THE BUSINESS FOLKS WERE LEANING TOWARDS THE FREE FAIR SIX MONTH PILOT TO GET PEOPLE ON IT.
I MEAN, SOME, SOME FOLKS GO, YEAH, FREE, THAT'S GREAT, LET'S DO THAT.
OTHER FOLKS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY THEY JUST THOUGHT THAT, UH, GIVEN THE EXPENSE OF THE SERVICE, THAT THERE SHOULD BE A FAIR AND AGAIN, THEY, THEY LEAN TOWARDS OPTION B.
SO I, I DON'T HAVE A BREAKDOWN.
THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IF WE WERE TO TRY TO CHANGE AFTER PERIOD OF TIME, I WANTED TO CHANGE THE FAIRS, WOULD WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PUBLIC? YEP.
PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC FEEDBACK.
TECHNICALLY WE SHOULD, BUT TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA RE REDUCE FAIRS, UM, WE COULD PROBABLY GET AWAY WITH JUST REDUCING FAIRS.
THEY DID IT IN COTTONWOOD WITHOUT A PUBLIC COMMENT.
WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY WENT TO ZERO FAIR, THEY JUST PUT OUT A NOTICE WE'RE GOING TO ZERO.
AND THEN THERE WAS EVERYBODY WAS CELEBRATING.
SO YEAH,
AND THEN JESSICA, MY, IF IF WE, IF WHETHER IT'S THE 10 OR THE 12 UM, PASS, CAN IT BE USED BY MULTIPLE RIDERS? IN OTHER WORDS, IF I AM A, A FAMILY OF TWO PARENTS AND FOUR CHILDREN, CAN I JUST BUY THE 12 SO THAT ALL SIX OF US COULD RIDE AND, AND THEN BE DONE? YOU KNOW, AT THAT, THAT DAY.
CUZ WE'D HAVE SIX FAIRS ONE WAY AND SIX FAIRS THE OTHER.
AND THAT WAY WE'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT DEEP DISCOUNT.
CAN IT BE USED BY MULTIPLE RIDERS? YEAH, IT IS INITIALLY GONNA BE A DIGITAL PASS AND I AM GONNA HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH THE, THE CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD BE SETTING THIS UP, WHICH IS TRANS LO, I'M SORRY, TOKEN TRANSIT.
UM, I THINK IT CAN BE A SHARED PATH BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MY WISH.
LIKE LET'S SAY COUNCIL WILLIAMSON AND I WANTED TO TRAVEL SOMEWHERE TOGETHER.
USING THAT WHEN, AND I HAVE A PASS AND SHE DOESN'T, I DON'T WANT HER TO HAVE TO BUY A PASS OR SHE DOESN'T USE THAT.
I WANT HER TO BE ABLE TO TAKE HER ON MY PASS.
MAY I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT? COUNSELOR CAN TELL THAT.
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YES WISH.UH, ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE REGULAR PASS IS 50, THAT DISCOUNTS 25? IF I'M MY GRANDPARENT TAKING MY GRANDCHILD WITH ME, ARE YOU SAYING JUST GO WITH TWO TICKS AND THAT'S IT? I THINK EACH FAMILY BASED ON THEIR AGE NEEDS WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S MOST ADVANTAGEOUS TO THEM IN TERMS OF THEIR OWN ECONOMY.
I DON'T THINK I NEED TO MICROMANAGE IT DOWN TO THAT LEVEL.
NO, I THINK WHEN HE WAS ASKING COUNSELORS THAT IF YOU AND I GO ON ONE PASS, IT'S TWO TICKS.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THAT WAS HIS I THINK THE SIMPLE.
YOU ANSWERED A MORE COMPLICATED QUESTION.
WELL I MIGHT HAVE, ONE OF EM WAS JUST OVER 60 PLUS YEARS AND GOT A DISCOUNT AND YOU GOT, AND AND THE PERSON THAT'S WRITING WITH YOU DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR THE DISCOUNT.
SO, UH, I I THINK TWO TICK WOULD MAKE IT EASIER AND JUST MOVE ON.
JUST VERY BRIEFLY, IN TERMS OF YOUR PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THEY HAD TO BE MEETINGS? YEAH, WELL WITH THE CITY.
NO, IT'S, UH, THE CITY, WE NEED TO HAVE IT ON OUR WEBSITE FOR 60 DAYS.
I'M JUST, I NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO ANNOUNCE IT AND EVERYTHING.
THE FTA, I NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, A PUBLIC MEETINGS PUBLIC AND ENCOURAGE FEEDBACK, WHICH IS NOT A PROBLEM.
SO WE CAN DO THAT VIRTUALLY THESE DAYS.
UM, JUST TO GO OFF THE, UH, THE MICRO TRANSITS JUST A REGULAR TRAILHEAD, UH, TRANSIT.
UH, HOW IS, HOW ARE YOU DOING WITH STIFF RETENTION? UH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM CAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE MICROT TRANSITS.
WILL YOU BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE STAFF LEVELS? YEAH, SO WITH THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES THERE HAS BEEN SOME TURNOVER, BUT IT'S BEEN PRETTY MILD AND MBS BEEN ABLE TO, TO, TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.
UH, THEY JUST, UM, CERTIFIED THREE ADDITIONAL DRIVERS, UH, COMMERCIAL DRIVERS.
UM, SO THEY'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
IN FACT, THEY'RE GEARING UP FOR SPRING BREAK TO PROVIDE DAILY SERVICE.
THEY, THEIR RECRUITMENT EFFORTS ARE CONSOLIDATED AT THEIR CORPORATE OFFICE AND THEY DID PRETTY WELL CONSIDERING THE LABOR MARKET WHEN WE STARTED THIS, UH MM-HMM.
UM, THERE WERE TIMES, UH, DURING TRAINING, ALTHOUGH NOBODY KNEW IT, THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY BRINGING IS THE NICE THING ABOUT HAVING A, UH, PROVIDER LIKE MV, IT'S A, IT'S A CORPORATION PROVIDING SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE NATION.
THEY BROUGHT IN SOME DRIVERS FROM UH, UH, PHOENIX TO FILL THOSE GAPS AND NOBODY EVER KNEW IT, INCLUDING ME.
SO JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THEY'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT MICRO TRANSFEROR.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN PRETTY PATIENT WITH US CUZ THAT WAS PART OF THEIR SCOPE THAT THEY BID.
UH, BUT THEY UNDERSTAND THE VEHICLES OF THE LATEST, SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH US.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT'S THE LATEST NUMBERS FOR THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE? LAST I HEARD WAS 120 DAYS, BUT, BUT 147 OR JUST OVER 160,000 IN 130 DAYS.
UM, I HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, BUT ROBERT, I DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER BEFORE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, ONE WAY TRIP OR A ROUND TRIP, UM, IN THE TIME SINCE THEN, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT AND IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT FOR MOST RESIDENTS ANYWAY, MAYBE EVEN VISITORS, IF THEY WOULD USE THE SYSTEM, UM, THEY'RE GONNA START FROM SOMEWHERE.
THEY WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA WANT TO GO BACK AT SOME POINT.
SO IS THERE, WAS THERE A EVEN A, A POSSIBILITY TO DISCUSS OF, OF HAVING A, UM, YOUR, YOUR REGULAR SINGLE PASS BE USABLE TWICE ON THAT DAY? WELL, THESE, THESE ARE THE WAY THESE ARE SET UP AND WHAT WAS ASKED FOR WAS A MULTI RIDE PASS.
SO IT'S EVERY TIME YOU BOARD, UH, YOU USE, UH, ONE OF YOUR ONE-WAY TRIPS THAT THAT'S PAID FOR, THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY.
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PASSENGER AS BEING PREPAID FOR A TWO-WAY TRIP? I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO THAT.UH, YOU, YOU GIVE HIM LIKE A ON A, I'VE BEEN ON BUSES BEFORE WHERE YOU GET A TRANSFER OR SOMETHING, YOU JUST GIVE 'EM A PIECE OF PAPER.
SO WE ACTUALLY DID TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT WITH A DIFFERENT FRAMEWORK.
WE TALKED ABOUT A DAY PASS AND THIS COUNCIL WANTED TO MOVE MORE TOWARDS A YEAH.
SO WE CAN DO A DAY PASS, WE CAN DO A MULTI RIDE PASS.
BUT I GUESS WHAT I, I SHOULD, MAYBE I'LL EX SAY IT ANOTHER WAY.
YOUR, YOUR EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH THIS, YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY ROUND TRIP BEING A BETTER IDEA FOR A DAY DAY PASS.
WELL, THEY DON'T HANDLE IT BY ROUND TRIP.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO A DAY PASS TYPICALLY, AND YOU BUY IT AT THE FAIR BOX AND YOU PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND IT'S GOOD FOR THAT DAY.
UM, SO MY OTHER THING IS, I, I REALLY SYMPATHIZE WITH THE I, UH, IDEA OF HAVING A, A TRIAL PERIOD.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY WERE ONLY TALKING ABOUT FIRST SIX MONTHS FOR FREE, UM, I WANT TO THROW IN A PO COUPLE OTHER POSSIBLE OPTIONS THAT MAYBE WOULD AVOID THE PROBLEM OF A FREE FAIR.
UM, BUT, UM, BUT WOULD STILL ALLOW IT SO THAT PEOPLE COULD GET A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE IT, UM, WITHOUT MAKING A COMMITMENT OF EVEN A, A $6.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M IMAGINING THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE IN A FAIR NUMBER OF THEM WHO WILL GET TOGETHER AND SHARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THIS IS A RIDICULOUS THING AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THIS.
AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN'T GET A CHEAPER FAIR THAN THE VISITORS.
AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM AT SIX BUCKS FOR SOME REASON.
AND I THINK A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF THOSE, IF THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RIDE IT FOR FREE, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE OR TWICE, UM, MAYBE IT WOULDN'T FEEL THE SAME WAY.
NOW, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A, FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF SIX MONTHS, IF YOU SAY OVER A THREE MONTH PERIOD, WE'RE GOING TO DIVIDE UP THE CITY INTO DIFFERENT GROUPS AND ANY CALLS FROM THIS AREA FOR THESE TWO DAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, BE FREE, UH, ANY CALLS FROM THIS AREA THE NEXT TWO DAYS OR WHATEVER SO THAT YOU, YOU DON'T RUN OUT OF, YOU KNOW, RUN OF VEHICLES.
BECAUSE IF YOU, THE OTHER NEGATIVE, I'M, I'M SORRY IF I'M GETTING MYSELF CONFUSED HERE, BUT THE OTHER NEGATIVE OF OFFERING A FREE INTRODUCTORY PERIOD, LIKE SIX MONTHS, IS THAT EVERYBODY WILL WANNA DO IT AT FIRST, AND THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE IS GONNA BE, IT DOESN'T COME IN 15 MINUTES, IT TAKES 45 MINUTES.
IS THAT REASONABLE? WE'LL KNOW, WE'LL KNOW WHEN WE DEPLOY IT, THAT'S FOR SURE.
WELL, BUT YOU, AND YOU WANNA, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT, BUT YOU AND I, I GET THAT WE HAVE TO TRY THINGS AND THEN ADJUST, BUT YOU WANT TO TRY TO PREDICT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE TO USE THIS, AND MAYBE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER HAD EXPERIENCE OTHER THAN THEIR AUTOMOBILE AND THEY'VE NEVER HAD AN EXPERIENCE OTHER THAN THEIR AUTOMOBILE, AND THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE WHAT IT FEELS LIKE MM-HMM.
AND, AND THEN THEY HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF USING THE APP BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THE APP AND ACTUALLY CALL IT.
WHICH WE KNOW IS AN, UH, SOMETHING HAS TO BE OVERCOME.
IF THERE'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO, TO ALLOW EVERYBODY FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A ROTATING BASIS OR WHATEVER, TO GET A FREE RIDE, UM, I THINK IT COULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, DOES, DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT? YES.
YOU THINK THE CURIOSITY IS GONNA BE SO MUCH THAT FOR EVERYONE IN THE CITY, SIX BUCKS IS NOTHING? WELL, I THINK THAT THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN TRIED A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
I THINK COMPLICATING IT AND, AND IS, IS, IS, IS, IS IS CRA I MEAN, IT JUST, IT SETS MY TEETH ON EDGE.
I THINK WE, WE MADE DECISIONS LAST TIME WE TOLD HIM WHAT TO DO.
IT'S BEEN HOW MANY MONTHS NOW? IT'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONTHS.
I THINK HE HAS NO DATA ON WHICH TO BASE ANYTHING.
UM, AND WE'RE BEING ASKED RIGHT NOW WHETHER WE WANT THE SIX MONTH OR WHETHER WE WANT OPTION B OR OPTION A AND WHETHER THE $6 AND THE $3 IS GOOD.
OKAY, LET ME, LET ME TRY AND DISTINGUISH THEM 10 MONTHS AGO.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING WHAT WE WANT AS A FAIR STRUCTURE AND SAYING THAT WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE DIRECTION
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THAT YOU COME UP WITH A WAY FOR, YOU ASKED ME WHY I DIDN'T AGREE WITH YOU, AND I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU WITH ONE.I DON'T THINK THAT THAT HELPS ANYTHING.
TWO, I THINK IT'S MUCH TOO COMPLICATED.
THREE, I, I WANNA GET THIS THING GOING AND I WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S MANAGEABLE AND WE, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND THEN WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS.
I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR VISION OF PEOPLE.
UM, I THINK YOU'VE OVERTHOUGHT THIS, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
THAT MAYBE, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE THIS AND SOME PEOPLE THAT, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF JUST HAVE TO, THERE'S A MODEL OUT THERE AND WE'VE MADE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT IT.
WE'RE BEING FACED NOW WITH CERTAIN DECISIONS SORT OF MOVE FORWARD.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD AS SIMPLY AND AS EFFICIENTLY AS WE CAN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DATA TO MAKE DECISIONS FROM.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE PEOPLE WORK THE WAY YOU ARE THINKING THEY MIGHT WORK.
THAT'S WHY HE ASKED ME A QUESTION.
AND I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED IT.
SO LET ME, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SUPPORT, I WOULD ALSO AGREE A LITTLE BIT.
WE DON'T WANNA OVERCOMPLICATE THE START.
I THINK WE COULD ADDRESS IT AS IT PROGRESSES.
IF WE DECIDE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RIDERSHIP, MAYBE WE DO A SALE INSTEAD OF 12, YOU GET ONE 13, IT'S A DOZEN PLUS ONE OR WHATEVER TO, AND SEND 'EM TO GET THAT ONE RIDE FREE.
THERE'S, I I, I, I DON'T WANNA, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE TOO MANY THINGS THAT MAY OCCUR THAT'S RIGHT.
AND I'D RATHER KEEP IT ALL SIMPLE.
SO ONE PERSON AT A TIME, AND I'M GONNA CALL ON KATHY NEXT.
BECAUSE WE HAD THIS VERY IN DEPTH DISCUSSION WITH A LOT OF THESE VERY SAME IDEAS 10 MONTHS AGO IN, WHAT WAS IT, IN, UH, JANUARY.
SO, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, ROBERT, YOU TOOK THIS BACK AND ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE, WHICH ARE ENUMERATED IN THE PACKET, UM, WERE INCORPORATED INTO WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT RESPONSIVENESS TO THAT VERY IN DEPTH DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD.
I, I'M, I DON'T WANNA HAVE THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION AGAIN.
I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THAT YOU'VE CAPTURED WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO.
I THINK IF THERE'S SOME NEED FOR PROMOTION IN THE FUTURE, THAT YOU'LL BRING THAT TO US AND WE CAN WE'LL DISCUSS IT AT THAT POINT.
IF YOU EVER FEEL THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE, UM, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD, CUZ WE'RE STILL IN QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? ALTHOUGH I JUST MADE A BUNCH OF COMMENTS.
UM, JUST HAD TO DO WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING A CATEGORY IN THE DISCOUNT FREE FAIR POLICY THAT WE HAVE THAT AS, AS YOU HAVE IT HERE IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, DOES THIS CAPTURE YEAH, WE YOU'VE CAPTURED THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS MM-HMM.
UM, ITEM, UH, THE 60 PLUS YEARS OF AGE, PROOF OF AGE MAY BE REQUIRED.
MEDICARE CAR HOLDERS, FEDERAL VETERANS WITH ID YOUR DISCRETION.
PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, FEDERAL AZ RESIDENTS WITH A VALID ACCESS CARD, YOUR DISCRETION, AND THEN CHILDREN UNDER FIVE, YOUR DISCRETION.
UH, TO, TO CLARIFY THOUGH, RESIDENTS WITH AN ACCESS CARD, HOW'S THAT DIFFERENT FROM JUST GIVING A DISCOUNT OR A DIFFERENT FAIR TO RESIDENTS, WHICH YOU SAY WE CAN'T DO? WELL, WHAT I SAY IS, IF YOU GIVE, IF YOU HAVE A ZERO FAIR POLICY, RIGHT? THIS, AND THIS ACTUALLY IS FOR ARIZONA STATE RESIDENTS, NOT JUST FOR SEDONA RESIDENTS, RIGHT? SO ALL I'M SAYING, AND YOU KNOW, UH, KURT MAY WANT TO JUMP IN WITH A FEDERAL PROGRAM IS IF WE SAY RESIDENTS RIDE FOR FREE, EVERYBODY ELSE WE CHARGE FAIRS, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T THAT POTENTIALLY BE INVITING A CIVIL RIGHTS PROBLEM? SO I'M NOT ASKING FREE, I'M SAYING DIFFERENT, RIGHT? I, I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE COULD EXPLORE RESIDENT, NON-RESIDENT FAIR STRUCTURES.
REALLY, I DIDN'T NEED TO EXPLORE.
UM, MORE, BUT A LOT OF THE WRITERS I THINK ARE GONNA BE, UM, NON-RESIDENTS IN, MAYBE THEY WORK IN THE CITY, BUT THEY, THEY LIVE IN THE COUNTY OR, OR COTTONWOOD OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT.
AND SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA SOLVE THAT ANOTHER WAY.
WE'RE GONNA BUILD HOUSES FOR 'EM.
KEEP IN, KEEP IN MIND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARIZONA RESIDENTS NOT RIGHT.
I BUT THERE, SO VISITORS ARE NOT A PROTECTED CLASS.
UM, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, MEMBER, SO THERE CAN BE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE THAT.
I I WOULD, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EVERY, ALL THE
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FEDERAL GUIDELINES.UM, BUT WE, I I DID RAISE THE QUESTION WITH NATIONAL R A, WHICH IS FTA AND I JUST GOT THE
I THOUGHT THAT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS FAIR CARD OF 10 PATHS WAS TO ADDRESS THE RESIDENT ISSUE.
THAT THAT'S HOW WE ADDRESSED IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU LIVE HERE, YOU'RE GONNA BUY THE PAST, THE MULTI-USE PATH.
IT GIVES YOU A BIG DISCOUNT VISITOR.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE ALL 12, YOU BUY.
SO THAT'S, WE'RE GETTING INTO A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND NO QUESTIONS.
SO LET'S STICK TO QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
WHO HAS QUESTIONS? CAN I STILL, I AS, AS AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY, ROBERT ON THE PHONE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I ASKED STRAIGHT OUT, WE CANNOT GIVE SPECIAL FAIRES TO RESIDENTS.
AND YOU SAID YES, THAT'S TRUE.
THAT'S WHAT I GOT FROM THE FTA.
BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, DON'T DO IT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA, IT NO, WAIT A MINUTE, DON'T DO IT IS LIKE THAT'S A BAD CHOICE AS OPPOSED TO YOU'RE, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW, RIGHT? THAT WAS A DIRECT, THAT WAS THE DIRECTION I GOT FROM THE FEDERAL AGENCY TO WHICH FUNDS PART OF THIS PROGRAM SO THAT IT'S A BAD CHOICE, BUT YOU'RE NOT, WE CAN GO BACK AND, AND KURT AND I CAN REGROUP ON THAT AND PUSH, PUSH BACK ON THE FTA.
YOU, YOU GOT, YOU ASKED YOUR QUESTION.
SO EVEN BY, FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED A FEW MOMENTS AGO, A RESIDENT IS 55, NOT 60, THEY CAN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS, SO THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY WOULD BE BUYING A 12 PACK.
THEY GET THE REGULAR DISCOUNT.
I JUST WANT TO GET, HAVE THAT CLEARED MY MIND.
OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, NOW WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AND I WILL CALL ON YOU.
JUST ANY CARDS, MAYOR, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS.
I SUPPORT THE $6 AND $3 STANDARD FAIR.
I SUPPORT THE B OPTIONS FOR BOTH THE REGULAR PASS AND THE DISCOUNT PASS BASED ON ROBERTS AND THE GROUP'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I'M BEING ASKED FOR TODAY.
AND I OH, AND I TOTALLY DON'T AGREE.
I REALLY DO NOT WANNA DO A FREE, UH, FREE, UM, OPTION FOR THE REASONS YOU, UM, MENTIONED ROBERT, BUT ALSO BECAUSE I JUST THINK WE NEED TO CHARGE SOMETHING.
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I DON'T THINK, I THINK BY GIVING A FREE OPTION, YOU DON'T REALLY FIND OUT WHAT RIDERSHIP IS.
YOU FIND OUT WHO WANTS TO RIDE FOR FREE.
SO I THINK IF YOU DO A FREE OPTION, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY WANNA DO A TRIAL PERIOD.
I WANNA DO A FAIR AND IF PE PEOPLE THAT DO IT OR THEY DON'T DO IT, IF THEY DON'T DO IT, WE CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING THEY'LL DO.
SO THAT'S WHERE I AM IN ALL THOSE ISSUES.
IS THAT, HAVE I COVERED THEM ALL? I THINK THINK, I THINK I THINK SO.
AND AS LONG AS EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THESE DISCOUNTED CLASSIFICATIONS, WE PUT THAT IN THERE TOO.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD MENTION WITH THAT, THE ONLY ONE THAT'S UNIQUE IS, UM, THE AZ RESIDENT WITH VALID ACCESS CARDS.
I THINK THAT THOSE ARE POOR PEOPLE AND PROBABLY SHOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
UM, THAT'S, AND AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE GETTING A DISCOUNT FAIR.
UM, I ONLY, YEAH, AND I, I THINK YOU ANSWERED THIS, THAT YOU AREN'T SAYING B IS GOING TO GIVE US THE 15% FAIR BOX, BUT IT WILL GIVE US A PLACE TO START TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN ACHIEVE.
AND IF WE WANNA MAKE 15%, WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES.
AND I CAN CLARIFY B MAY WELL GIVE US THE 15% OR MORE.
UNTIL WE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO DATA UNTIL WE START COLLECTING FAIRS AND SEE THAT PAIR MIX.
THE THE OTHER THING BEFORE MADAME, IF YOU ALLOW ME MM-HMM.
AND IT'LL COME BACK AND LET ME JUST ALL THOSE COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN REVISIT EVERYTHING ALL OVER AGAIN.
WE CAN DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.
UH, I, I JUST DO WANNA NOTE THAT THE FACT THAT 50% WHEN WE VOTE NORMALLY A TIE IS A LOSS.
SO, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S, IT'S JUST A FACTOR TO CONSIDER.
SO WHEN THE COMMITTEE VOTED A TIE IS A LOSS.
THEY'RE JUST AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I KNOW IT'S NOTHING OFFICIAL, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S OUR STANDARD POLICY.
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THE WAY WE THINK IT GOES.AND THERE'S, JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
MAYOR, I, UH, PROPOSE WHAT YOU'VE PUT IN HERE.
THE CATEGORIES AS YOU'VE OUTLINED THEM ARE FINE.
UH, I THINK THAT THE FAIRS ARE FINE AND, UH, AND THE, UH, COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION TO GO WITH OPTION B IS FINE.
I DO OPPOSE LETTING IT GO FOR FREE.
UM, WE DON'T LET RESIDENTS PARK UP TOWN FREE
SO I GO WITH, UH, UH, MY DIRECTION IS TO GO OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, KATHY, THAT'S GONNA THANK YOU.
I SUPPORT THE FAIR STRUCTURE OF THE $6 ONE WAY AND THE DISCOUNT OF $3.
UM, I SUPPORT THE DISCOUNTS BEING APPLIED TO THE CATEGORIES AS LISTED THAT YOU JUST WENT THROUGH, ROBERT.
UH, AND I DO SUPPORT, UH, OPTION B TO GIVE THE DEEPER DISCOUNT FOR THE 12 FAIRS.
AND WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY TAKE A VOTE ON THIS.
UH, I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.
I DO NOT SUPPORT, UH, THE FREE RIDE.
UH, I, I THOUGHT THAT ROBERT'S, UH, UH, DESCRIPTION OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND WHAT DOES HAPPEN IN OTHER CITIES FOR HAVING FREE RIDES.
UH, IT WAS ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR ME TO BE AGAINST A FREE RIDE.
SO, AMONG OTHER REASONS, BUT THAT'S THE MOST SIMPLEST.
SO, UH, BUT I AGREE WITH THE REPORT AND LET'S PUT IT OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR INPUT.
JT, I AGREE AS WELL WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS.
UM, I DON'T THINK I EVER SAID I WANTED A FREE RIDE FOR ANYONE FOR SIX MONTHS.
UM, I WANTED TO TRY AND FIND A WAY THAT PEOPLE COULD HAVE A FREE EXPERIENCE ON THE SYSTEM, UH, SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT IT WAS LIKE.
AND IT'S, WE MAY ALL DISAGREE AS TO WHETHER THAT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE OR NOT.
I THINK IT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE WHEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE DONE.
SO I'M, I'M NOT EVEN SURE I SHOULD BE WEIGHING IN ON THIS.
UM, BUT I HOPE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE CONSISTENT AND CLOSE ENOUGH TO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE NEW COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE A HELL OF A DIFFICULT TIME CHANGING ANYTHING.
UM, AND I THINK A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HELPFUL.
UH, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE GOAL OF THIS, I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT OF THIS, AND I DON'T WANNA START A DISCUSSION.
SO YOU JUST SAY, JUST DO THIS.
IF, IF WE DON'T AGREE, THE, THE, THE GOAL, UH, OF THE, UH, THE MICRO TRANSITS PROGRAM IS TO HELP GET CARS OFF THE ROAD.
AND IT'S RESIDENTS WHO ARE GONNA HAVE CARS FOR SURE, MANY VISITORS WILL HAVE THEM ALSO, BUT IT'S RESIDENTS WHO ARE GONNA HAVE CARS FOR SURE.
AND IF WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO IS A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN PARK THE COMPETITION FOR THIS MICROT TRANSITS SYSTEM IS A FREE PARKING SPACE SOMEWHERE.
SO ULTIMATELY THE IDEAL WORLD WOULD BE THAT IT'S, THEY'RE EITHER, THEY'RE EITHER EITHER IS NO PLACE TO PARK, OR IT'S PERCEIVED TO BE MUCH MORE CONVENIENT, UH, TO TAKE THIS MICRO TRANSITS THAN TO TAKE MY CAR OUT OF MY HOME AND DRIVE IT TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE BARBERSHOP OR UPTOWN OR WHEREVER I WANT TO.
SO SOME COORDINATION WITH THE PLANNING FOR OUR PARKING IS ESSENTIAL FOR GETTING THIS RIGHT.
AND THE TIMING MAY NOT BE GOOD AT ALL FOR MAKING THIS DECISION AFTER THAT.
AND I AGREE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE ALL KNOW THE PHRASE, YOU, YOU DON'T GET A SECOND CHANCE TO MAKE A FIRST IMPRESSION.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING AT MY HOME AND WATCH THIS THING FAIL BECAUSE NO ONE WROTE ON IT WHEN WE FIRST RAN IT OUT.
AND THE, THE NAYSAYERS IN THE COMMUNITY SAID, SEE, I TOLD YOU SO.
AND PUT SO MUCH PRESSURE ON US, UH, ON THE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT THAT LOWERING THE FAIR WASN'T GONNA DO ANY GOOD.
UH, NO ONE WANTED TO BE SEEN WRITING IT BECAUSE OF PEER PRESSURE.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
AND I WILL LEAVE THAT TO THE NEW COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHEN THEY GET COMMENTS FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ARE.
YOU'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO TELL MY COMMENT, UH, WHEN I MAKE IT.
UM, SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
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I SUPPORT ROBERT'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND I THINK THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING IT FROM THE PUBLIC, THEIR REACTION.SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GO ON AND ON ABOUT THIS SINCE WE'LL GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK MM-HMM.
LIKE, AND I, I'M IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REST.
SO LET'S, IS THERE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE PROPOSED FAIR AND FAIR POLICY TO INCLUDE OPTION B, WHICH IS THE 12 PASS FOR THE MULTIPLE RIDE PATHS FOR THE CITY'S MICROT TRANSITS SERVICE AND DIRECT STAFF TO SEEK PUBLIC COMMENT.
GOOD MOVE BY COUNSELOR ELLO, SECOND BY COUNSELOR.
ROBERT MAYOR AND CAN COUNCIL, MOVING INTO THE NEXT ITEM.
UM, WE HAVE SHANNON HERE AS WELL AS SHERRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP REGARDING THE POTENTIAL FINANCING OF THIS PROPERTY PURCHASE.
[8.c. AB 2882 Discussion/possible action regarding the approval of a Resolution authorizing the City of Sedona to enter into a purchase agreement to acquire the property at 2250 Shelby Dr. in an amount not-to-exceed $1,500,000 and authorization of possible budget transfer of contingency and other funds of up to $1,500,000 and authorization of possible cash transfer of General Fund monies of up to $690,000.]
OKAY.SO WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM EIGHT C, AB 28 82, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF SEDONA TO ENTER INTO A PURCHASE AGREEMENT TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY AT 2250 SHELBY DRIVE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 1.5 MILLION AND AUTHORIZATION OF POSSIBLE BUDGET, TRANSFER OF CONTINGENCY AND OTHER FUNDS OF UP TO 1.5 MILLION AND AUTHORIZATION OF POSSIBLE CASH TRANSFER OF GENERAL FUND MONIES OF UP TO 690,000.
SO WHO IS TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS, SHANNON? OKAY.
GOOD EVENING, MME. MAYER, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, UM, HERE TODAY WITH THE ITEM TO PURCHASE 2250 SHELBY DRIVE.
UM, FOLLOWING OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION IN AUGUST, WE SPENT SOME TIME NEGOTIATING THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND ARE IN THE, THE FINAL STAGES OF THAT.
UM, YOU DO HAVE, I THINK, IN YOUR PACKETS, THE CONTRACTS, UM, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UM, WE MADE AN OFFER, UM, IT, THE PRICE WAS ACCEPTED.
IT WAS COUNTERED WITH A PROPOSAL THAT THE SELLER WOULD RETAIN OCCUPANCY OR USE OF THE PARCEL, UM, FOR 12 MONTHS.
CAN WE, UH, DISCUSS THAT, UM, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? EXECUTIVE SESSION, PLEASE? YES.
I MOVE, WE MOVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT I DO IN THIS CASE? WE, WE'D NEED TO SPELL THAT EXACTLY WHAT THE REASON FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
FOR LEGAL ADVICE FOR THAT AND, AND CONSULTATION.
WELL, HOW ABOUT LETTING KURT WORD IT? SURE.
SO BETTER, I THINK ON THE AGENDA.
OH, AND MAYOR, CAN WE, BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN, I THINK SHANNON HAS A, A PRESENTATION ACTUALLY ON THE, THE PROPERTY ON THAT PROPERTY.
CAN CAN WE DO THE PRESENTATION FIRST? SURE.
WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE CAN, CAN CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WILL THAT, DO WE, DOES YOUR PRESENTATION TOUCH ON THE 12 MONTH OCCUPANCY? NO, IT DOES NOT.
OKAY, I'LL KEEP THIS, OOPS, HAPPENED HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE PARCEL, WHICH I THINK MOST OF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH NOW.
UM, THE LARGER SECTION OF THE PARCEL HERE IS 1.17 ACRES AND 1.12 IN THIS SMALL, UH, DIVISION.
UM, NEARBY AMENITIES INCLUDE, UM, SUNSET PARK, WHICH IDEALLY WOULD HAVE A WALKING PATH FROM THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED.
UM, UM, FOREST ACCESS OBVIOUSLY NEARBY IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS ARE ACTUALLY 27 MILES OF TRAILS ACCESSIBLE FROM THE SUNSET CFA.
UM, THE PROJECT WOULD LIKELY EXTEND THE SHELBY STREET SIDEWALKS, WHICH CURRENTLY END UP HERE, I BELIEVE, IN FRONT OF THE SELF STORAGE.
UM, AND THEN OTHER AMENITIES NEARBY INCLUDE THE SELF STORAGE HERE AND HERE.
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NEARBY AND A DOGGY DAYCARE NEARBY.SHANNON, COULD YOU PUT YOUR CURSOR ON THE RECYCLING CENTER PLEASE? JUST FOR ORIENTATION? OOPS.
UM, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES TAKEN FROM THE, THE SUNSET PARK, UM, COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE, THE LARGER, UM, GOALS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS TO ENCOURAGE DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
AND THEN JUST A PROPOSED TIMELINE HERE.
I GUESS THIS DOES, I APOLOGIZE, IT DOES DEAL SLIGHTLY WITH THE, THE SIX MONTHS VERSUS A YEAR OF OCCUPANCY.
UM, KIND OF JUST WORKING OUT A ROUGH TIMELINE, ASSUMING THAT WE PUT THIS OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR A PARTNERSHIP WITH A DEVELOPER, UM, WE WOULD HAVE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND START SOME PRELIMINARY PLANNING.
WE WOULD WANNA CLOSE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, AND THEN COULD PUT OUT THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS IMMEDIATELY SELECT A DEVELOPER, UM, IDEALLY BY MARCH.
AND PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH SOME APPLICATION DEADLINES FOR FUNDING SOURCES, UM, COMPLETE THE FINAL PLANNING AND DESIGN AND PERMITTING, AND THEN PERHAPS STARTING CONSTRUCTION AS EARLY AS AUGUST.
OOH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, WOULDN'T IT? YEAH.
I MOVE, WE MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND KURT WILL EXPLAIN WHY.
DO YOU WANNA T HEADS, DID YOU WANNA HAVE A QUESTION? UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHETHER THERE'S DEVELOPERS JUST LIKE STANDING IN THE WINGS WAITING TO ANSWER RFPS OR NOT? THERE'S ONE FOR SURE.
UM, POSSIBLY ANOTHER WHO ACTUALLY JUST REACHED OUT TO ME LAST WEEK.
UM, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR WHO WANNA KNOW ABOUT THIS AS SOON AS THE OPPORTUNITY'S AVAILABLE.
OKAY, QUICK QUESTION OR ABOUT THE, THIS MAY BE JOANNE CAN HELP ME WITH THIS, OR ANDY OR WHOEVER.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WE, THE POTENTIAL IS TO TAKE CAPITAL FROM THE UPTOWN GARAGE PROJECT AND USE IT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, DOES THIS IN ANY WAY HINDER THE ORIGINAL UPTOWN GARAGE PROJECT SO THAT SOMEWHERE DOWN THERE WILL GO? WELL NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE 690,000 BUCKS OR THE EIGHT, 10,000 WHATEVER FROM THE, IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET TO DO THIS, AND SO WE CAN'T DO THE GARAGE.
SO, SO THE ESTIMATE THAT I HAVE IN HERE, UM, IF YOU EXCUSE ME, SORRY IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, SO, UM, THE ESTIMATE THAT I HAVE IN HERE INCLUDES THE, THE WORK THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE DONE DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR ON THAT PROPERTY WITH THE, THE DELAY OF THE GARAGE, ALONG WITH SOME, SOME OTHER COSTS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO END UP NEEDING TO TRANSFER FROM THIS CATEGORY.
SO, UM, I'M ESTIMATING THAT THE, UM, AMOUNT OF CAPACITY THAT'S AVAILABLE IS 3 MILLION.
WE WOULD BE TAKING, UM, THE ABOUT 700,000 OF THAT 3 MILLION.
BUT THE OTHER THING TOO IS IN MY CAVEAT THERE IS, UM, WE FREQUENTLY END UP WITH PROJECTS THAT WHEN THEY'RE BID THEY COME IN HIGHER.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY OF A, OF SOME OTHER PROJECT NEEDING TO BORROW SOME OF THOSE MONIES.
BUT THEN THERE'S ALWAYS PROJECTS THAT GET DELAYED.
I DON'T HAVE THE CRYSTAL BALL, BUT EACH YEAR THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS THIS KIND OF MIX OF THESE PROJECTS WERE MORE, THESE PROJECTS GOT DELAYED AND USUALLY WERE WITHIN BUDGET.
SO I WOULD GUESS THAT WE PROBABLY WILL BE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TO DELAY A, A PROJECT THAT NEEDED TO BORROW MONEY BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING LEFT THAT, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T TELL YOU IF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT.
BUT, BUT THE INTENT ISN'T TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THE AMOUNT NOW AVAILABLE TO THE UPTOWN GARAGE PROJECT IN TOTAL.
SO IT'LL ONLY JUST BE A SINGLE FLAT SERVICE LOCK CUZ WE CAN'T BUILD A TWO LEVEL GARAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS JUST STRICTLY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET, NOT FOR THE PROJECT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LIFE OF, OF THE PROJECT.
YEAH, I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA THROW OUT THERE TOO THAT WHEN WE GO TO BUILD THE 24 BUDGET THAT WE CAN ADJUST, MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT THEN TO ACCOUNT.
THANK YOU ALL THAT, THAT WAS THE CLARIFICATION I WAS GONNA ASK.
SO, SO MAYOR AND COUNSELORS WERE
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AGENDAS FOR, UM, LEGAL, FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR CON TO CONSULT WITH THE LEGAL[03:00:01]
COUNSEL FOR ADVICE, UH, AND THEN ALSO DISCUSSION, CONSULTATION TO CONSIDER ITS POSITION FOR COUNSEL TO DIS CONSIDER ITS POSITION AND INSTRUC ITS ATTORNEYS, UH, AND DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES REGARDING NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE PURCHASE, SALE OR LEASE, A REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2250 SHELBY DRIVE, PURSUANT TO ARS 38,000 431, 0 3 87, AND A THREE.SO IF I COULD GET A, SO MOVED TO THAT.
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OPPOSED? NO.WILL WE SHALL RETURN WHERE WE GOING? BOLT, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK IN SESSION.
SO ARE THERE ANY, UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 30 30 AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF SEDONA TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
LOCATED AT 2250 SHELBY DRIVE, CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, FOR THE SUM OF $1.5 MILLION IN AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT AND ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE PURCHASE, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN AGREEMENT, UH, BY THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, EXCEPT TO, UM, TO APPROVE A SIX MONTH, UM, OCCUPANCY BY THE CURRENT OWNER INSTEAD OF 12 MONTHS.
DOES THAT PART OF IT END APPROVE A BUDGET TRANSFER THESE, THESE WILL BE THREE DIFFERENT MOTIONS.
NO, THE RESOLUTION'S ONLY PERTAINS TO THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.
SO, SO MOVED IN SECOND AND MOVED BY COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON.
I, I MOVED TO APPROVE A BUDGET TRANSFER OF $810,000 FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT, AND $690,000 FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND, UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE PROJECT ACCOUNT.
SECOND MOVE BY COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON SECOND BY COUNSELOR THOMPSON.
I MOVE TO APPROVE A CASH TRANSFER OF UP TO $690,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND.
MAY I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY FOR MY NO VOTE, UH, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE, UH, SIX MONTH, UH, ALLOWANCE TO, FOR THE PRIOR OR THE, UH, SELLER TO BE REM UH, STAYING ON THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.
I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH IT AND, UH, THAT'S WHY I VOTED NO FOR THE, THE WHOLE, UH, OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM D REPORTS AND DISCUSSIONS REGARDING COUNSEL ASSIGNMENTS.
ITEM E IS DISCUSS MME. MAYER? YES.
IS THAT NINE? PARDON ME? REPORTS AND DISCUSSIONS.
ITEM NINE, RIGHT? SHE JUST SAID, UH, D OKAY.
POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? OH, SORRY.
UH, SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'RE ADJOURNED.