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LET'S, UH, CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF[Planning and Zoning Selection Committee on November 1, 2022.]
THE PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL.UH, WELL, PLANNING AND ZONING.
WHAT IS THIS? I'VE GOT THE WRONG SET OF QUESTIONS, NUMBER ONE.
SO WE'RE GONNA CALL TO ORDER
AND IT'S, AND IT'S, UH, UH, MANAM CLERK.
WOULD YOU CALL HER ALL PLEASE? MAYOR MOI.
SO, UH, WE HAVE THIS MORNING RONALD MENSER.
AND SO WE HAVE, UH, A SERIES OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
WE FINALLY GOT A HOLD OF THE RIGHT ONES, AND, UH, AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU MAYBE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK US QUESTIONS.
SO I'M GONNA READ, UH, I'LL JUST READ ALL THE QUESTIONS.
AND NUMBER ONE, WHY DO YOU WANNA SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? UH, I THINK IT'D BE A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR ME.
UH, I AM A VOLUNTEER WITH THE SEDONA PD AND HAVE BEEN FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS, AND I'VE ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, HOW THEY WORK, AND, UH, WHAT KIND OF CON CONTRIBUTIONS I CAN MAKE, UH, TO EITHER IMPROVE OR NOT.
SO, YEAH, WE HAVE SIX CANDIDATES, SO, OKAY.
NUMBER TWO IS MEETINGS ARE TYPICALLY HELD, AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS OF THE MONTH AT 4:30 PM FOR SOME MEETINGS, THE COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT A SITE VISIT IN THE MORNING AND ON THE SAME DAY AS THE MEETING WHERE THE COMMISSION WILL BE ASKED TO WALK AROUND A SITE PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT, OFTEN UNDEVELOPED, MEANING MINOR HIKING SOMETIMES.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE? FOR SURE.
AS LONG AS I'M NOT PLANNING MY RECORD, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR THINGS SUCH AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMPLIANCE WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.
WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, OR PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? NONE,
THE ONLY THING I CAN BRING TO THE COMMISSION IS TO, UH, LEARN ABOUT IT.
AND I AM, UH, PRETTY GOOD AT LEARNING, LEARNING, UH, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO, UH, VOICE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING, UH, PREDICATED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I'M READING.
AND WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR TO APPROVE A PROJECT THAT MEETS CITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND CODES SUCH AS HEIGHT, MASSING, LIGHTING, COLOR, ET CETERA, IF YOU PERSONALLY DISLIKE THE DESIGN? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PLANNING ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? THE BIGGEST PLANNING, PLANNING, IT'S AN OLD, IT'S AN OLD STORY.
UM, HOW WE WOULD CORRECT IT, I HAVE NO CLUE RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, WE ONLY HAVE TWO IN AND OUT ROADS.
UM, I, I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO CORRECT THAT ISSUE, BUT THAT IS A MAJOR ISSUE.
I MEAN, IT TOOK ME JUST YESTERDAY, IT TOOK ME A HALF AN HOUR TO GET FROM MY HOUSE TO ACCOUNT.
AND TRAFFIC IS APPALLING AND DOES, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THE CITY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
UH, DOES THE ADOPTED SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECT CURRENT COMMUNITY VISION AND VALUES? AND IF, UH, AND THEN PLEASE GIVE EXAMPLES OF REASONS FOR YOUR ANSWER AGAIN.
DOES THE ADOPTED SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECT CURRENT COMMUNITY VISION AND VALUES? I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE VALUES OF THE COMMUNITY ARE AS FAR AS THE PLANNING IS CONCERNED.
I'D HAVE TO READ ALL OF THAT TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S
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ALL ABOUT.I, AS I SAID, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING DOES.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ARIZONA OPEN MEETING LAWS OR THE RULES AND USE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON PLANNING AND ZONING? WELL, I THINK THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, IT SERVES A MAJOR PURPOSE IN HOW THIS TOWN, UH, WILL MOVE FORWARD.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, EITHER OF YOU? NO, I DON'T.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR APPLYING AND COMING IN.
THANK, DO YOU WANNA RECESS BEFORE THE NEXT ONE? I CAN GO SEE IF KATHY'S STILL THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO FIVE MINUTES SINCE WE HAVE SOME TIME.
WE'LL, RECESS THEN I'LL GO, IT'LL CREATE, WHERE WAS SHE L 11? WE'LL CREATE A BIG, BIG GAP THERE.
IN THE SCHEDULE HERE, IF YOU HAVE TO GET TO A DOCTOR, BUT WELL FIND OUT IF SHE CHANGED HER APPOINTMENT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU AND THEN OKAY.
MAYBE, MAYBE OTHER FOLLOW UPS FROM PEOPLE.
AND THEN YOU'LL GET TO ASK US ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT AS WELL.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, WHY DO YOU WANNA SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? WELL, I ANSWERED THAT IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A TOP EXECUTIVE IN THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY, UH, ONE OF THE TOP IN THE WORLD.
AND, UH, SO, UH, AND I'VE ALSO GOT LOTS OF EXPERIENCE IN PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, MANY YEARS AGO.
UH, BUT I WAS ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, I CHAIRED A CITY HOUSING COMMISSION.
UH, I WAS ON A COUNTY ZONING COMMISSION TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
ARE YOU TAKING NOTES? NO, JUST COME DOWN.
THAT'S THE WAY I SPEAK, SCOTT.
UH, AND, UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT LOADS OF EXPERIENCE AND, UH, WE MOVED TO SEDONA FULL TIME LAST YEAR.
UH, WE HAD BEEN, UH, HOMEOWNERS FOR 14 YEARS.
UH, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND, UH, SO AFTER WE MOVED IN, I NOW HAVE TIME TO DO SOME THINGS AND, UH, I DIDN'T WANNA RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL.
I ACTUALLY CONSIDERED RUNNING FOR MAYOR SCOTT.
AND, AND WHERE WAS IT YOU WERE ON THE PLANS? UH, FINLAY, OHIO IN HANCOCK COUNTY, OHIO.
UH, FINLAY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S A TOWN OF ABOUT 35 TO 40,000.
IT WAS, UH, RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF THE TOP, UH, CITIES, SMALL CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE HAD A, UH, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE HANCOCK COUNTY, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? D UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION.
AND, UH, WE FOCUSED ON, UH, ATTRACTING BUSINESSES, UH, ZONING AND PLANNING ACCORDINGLY.
UH, AND WE'RE VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, IN DOING THAT.
HE HAPPENED TO BE BETWEEN DETROIT AND COLUMBUS, THE BIG AUTO PLANTS AND ALL THE AUTO SUPPLIERS.
UH, OF COURSE SEDONA IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION IN TERMS OF PLANNING AND THAT.
UM, MEETINGS ARE TYPICALLY HELD THE FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS OF THE MONTH AT FOUR 30 FOR SOME MEETINGS.
THE COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT A SITE VISIT IN THE MORNING ON THE SAME DAY AS THE MEETING WHERE THE COMMISSION WILL BE ASKED TO WALK AROUND A SITE PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT, OFTEN UNDEVELOPED, REQUIRING MINOR HIKING.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE? FOR SURE.
THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR THINGS SUCH AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMPLIANCE WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.
WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, OR PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? WELL, I ANSWERED THAT QUESTION EARLIER.
YOU KNOW, I CHAIRED A CITY ZONING COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, WHEN I WAS IN BOWLING GREEN, OHIO, GOING TO SCHOOL OF BOWLING GREEN, UH, I ACTUALLY WAS A STUDENT OF POINTEE TO THE, UH, CITY HOUSING COMMISSION AND DEVELOPED A HOUSING CODE.
UH, AND I WAS VERY INVOLVED IN THAT.
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I'VE HAD LOADS OF EXPERIENCE IN, IN THESE TYPES OF THINGS.WHEN YOU TELL ME, JUST TO TAKE ON THIS MM-HMM.
I HAVEN'T, UH, ENGAGED IN SEDONA SEDONA YET.
THIS WAS MY FIRST FORAY INTO ENGAGING, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FULL-TIME.
UH, I JUST MOVED HERE FULL-TIME LAST YEAR.
UH, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE VOTING TO APPROVE A PROJECT THAT MEETS CITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND CODES SUCH AS HEIGHT, MASSING, LIGHTING, COLOR, ET CETERA? IF YOU PERSONALLY DISLIKE THE DESIGN, I, I WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH THE CODE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, IF IT'S DOESN'T MEET CODE AND DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE APPROVED.
IT'S, UH, I'VE BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, A COUPLE OF 'EM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HAD THE SAME ISSUES, UH, IN THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATIONS.
THAT'S WHY I, I TOUCH ON THIS AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T MIND THERE.
AND YOUR APPLICATION, YOU, WE ASKED YOU A SIMILAR QUESTION.
IF YOU WERE APPOINTED AS A PLANNING DESIGN COMMISSION, AND YOU WERE FACED WITH A PROPOSAL THAT SUPPOSED TO, UH, SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY PLAN IN APPLICABLE, UH, ZONING CODE, BUT YOU HAVE RESERVATIONS THAT WOULD, DID NOT PERSONALLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AND YOU SAID, WE'LL SEE.
AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT.
IT MEANS I WILL APPLY SOME JUDGMENT AND, UH, AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, UH, I THINK PERHAPS THE CITY'S ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT'LL BE CHANGED FOR A GIVEN PROJECT.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE QUESTION SAYS.
IT'S, WOULD YOU? I THINK I ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS, SCOTT, AND, UH, I SAID, WE'LL SEE, BECAUSE I LIKE TO APPLY JUDGMENT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS IN SEDONA WE'VE GOT WITH PLANNING AND ZONING, IS THERE IS, UH, THE BUREAUCRATS AND THE ADMINISTRATION, UH, APPLY VERY LITTLE JUDGMENT, UH, TO PLANNING ITS ZONING AND, AND IN SEDONA.
AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME JUDGMENT.
AND IF THE, IF THE RULES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE, THE RULES NEED TO BE CHANGED.
BUT YOU, YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE RULES PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DOESN'T CHANGE THE RULES.
HOWEVER, I COULD GET INVOLVED IN RECOMMENDING THAT THE RULES BE CHANGED.
THAT'S, THAT'S, AND THAT'S SUPPLYING JUDGMENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHERE I WAS AND HERE, IS WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD, UH, APPLY ACCEPTABLE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I HAVE WITH SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING.
WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PLANNING ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? WELL, THE TRAFFIC I RAN INTO THIS MORNING, UH,
YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT PROVIDE THE SERVICES FOR THE TOURISTS, AND WE DON'T HAVE IT.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A CRIME NEED.
WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO THAT.
AND SOME OF OUR PLANNING, ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ARE, UH, HINDERING THAT.
UH, THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED PROBABLY, UH, TO, UH, UH, ALLOW MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, OF COURSE, WE'RE IN A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION SURROUNDED BY A NATIONAL FOREST AND, UH, LIMITED GEOGRAPHY.
UH, BUT WE STILL NEED TO, UH, TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IS AWFUL.
UH, I THINK THAT'S, UH, THE, THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS GO TOGETHER.
I MEAN, WE ARE A TOURIST CITY.
WE'RE ONLY 9,500 PEOPLE OR SO, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF TOURISTS.
SO YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THE TOURISTS, BUT IN ORDER TO DO SO, YOU'VE ALSO GOTTA HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE TOURISTS, AND WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT BIG TIME.
CAN I JUST A FOLLOW UP TO SURE, SURE.
COULD YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, A CHANGE YOU THINK WOULD BE USEFUL IN THAT REGARD, LET'S SAY FOR ENCOURAGING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? WELL, I JUST, UH, I, I WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND FIND OUT WHERE WE HAVE, UH, LOTS SET ASIDE.
BUT IT'S ALSO THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO, YOU CANNOT HAVE, UH, EXTREMELY HIGH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, AND EXPECT TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, UH, ZONING IN MANY, MANY CASES.
UH, AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT HERE IN SEDONA, UH, ZONING STANDARDS, UH, PRECLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND WE JUST NEED TO SEE ARE THERE THINGS IN THE ZONING CODE THAT ARE PRECLUDING, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO IT'S, THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO ON THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SIDE THAT ABSOLUTELY ENCOURAGE THINGS.
AND THEN THE CITY HAS TO, UH, AS WE'VE ALREADY DONE, UH, HAVE SOMEBODY FOCUSING ON HOUSING TO, UH, TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET THIS DONE? AND, UH,
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IT ISN'T NECESSARILY GOVERNMENT FINANCE.UH, THE PRIVATE SECTOR NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, DOES THE ADOPTED SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECT CURRENT COMMUNITY VISION AND VALUES? I THINK IT PROBABLY DOES, BUT IT'S PROBABLY A MINORITY OPINION, UH, IN, IN THAT, UH, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP AT THE HEARINGS.
SO CAN YOU GIVE ANY EXAMPLES FOR YOUR ANSWER? NO.
AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ARIZONA OPEN MEETING LAWS OR THE RULES AND USE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? WELL, I'M NOT TERRIBLY FAMILIAR WITH THEM, SANDY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, OPEN MEETING LAWS ARE, ARE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND, UH, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SO I'VE, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT TYPE OF THING BEFORE.
UH, JUST NEED TO REVIEW THE ARIZONA LAWS AND, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION LAWS.
I MEAN, OHIO, TEXAS, WHERE I'VE LIVED, BOTH HAVE THAT.
YOU CAN'T, AS A COMMISSIONER, YOU COULDN'T TALK TO MORE THAN A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, TEXAS IS VERY, UH, STRICT ON OPEN MEETING LAWS TOO.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST SERVING? UH, NO, I THINK THAT'S IT.
I MEAN, I JUST AM LOOKING FOR WAYS TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THIS IS ONE WHERE I CAN APPLY, UH, SKILLS THAT I ALREADY HAVE, UH, AND, UH, SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I CAN DO TO, TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ONE, I KNOW YOU, YOU HAVE A LOT OF LEADERSHIP, UH, QUALIFICATIONS MM-HMM.
THIS ISN'T A LEADERSHIP POSITION, THIS IS A COMMISSION OF SEVEN.
HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU WOULD GET ALONG WITH, UH, SIX OTHER PEOPLE WITHOUT BEING IN LEADERSHIP POSITION? WELL, I'VE BEEN IN POSITIONS WHERE I HAVEN'T BEEN THE LEADER BEFORE.
UH, I WILL, AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE.
I MEAN, I WILL, YOU KNOW, MAKE MY OPINION HEARD.
UH, I WILL, YOU KNOW, NATURALLY TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE, EVEN THOUGH I MAY NOT BE A LEADER, UH, BECAUSE I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SIT THERE IN THE CORNER.
WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT VOICING YOUR OPINION IS NOT THE LEADERSHIP.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA SIT THERE IN THE CORNER, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS YOU INDICATE, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD MANY LEADERSHIP ROLES AND, UH, THAT'S JUST ME.
YOU WANNA STOP THE REFILL? TAKE A RECESS? YEAH.
ARE YOU READY? AS READY AS I'M GONNA GET.
SO WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU SOME, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO ASK YOU.
AND THEN, UM, COULD BE SOME FOLLOW UP.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK US ANY QUESTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK AT THE END.
SO WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE.
I KNOW SOME OF THIS IS JUST BECAUSE WE, YOU COVERED IT IN YOUR RESUME, DOESN'T MEAN WE'D JUST LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU PERSONALLY ABOUT.
SO, UH, WHY DO YOU WANNA SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? WELL, UM, MY WIFE AND I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITY IN SOME WAY.
SHE DOES A BETTER JOB OF IT THAN I DO IN MOST CASES.
UM, AND, UH, SO I REALLY THINK THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO KIND OF GIVE BACK A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WE OWN A COUPLE OF PIECES OF PROPERTY HERE, INCLUDING ONE UP IN THE CEMETERY.
WE DON'T EXPECT TO LEAVE ANY TIME SOON,
I'LL BE PUSHING COPIES RIGHT HERE.
SO, UM, I, I MEAN, I THINK IN GENERAL, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
UH, I ENJOY, I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE OF OUR TECHNOLOGY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT, UM, EACH, ACTUALLY WATCH EACH ONE OF THE PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION MEETINGS OVER THIS PAST YEAR.
AND, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT I FEEL I MIGHT BE A GOOD FIT FOR.
THERE'S SOME BIG SHOES TO FILL.
I THINK THE PERSON THAT'S LEAVING ONE OF THEM, UH, IS, UH, IS AN EXCELLENT JOB.
AND, UH, SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP IN AND, AND ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, UM, BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE REST OF THE GROUP, AND, UH, I JUST MIGHT BE THAT PERSON.
UH, MEETINGS ARE TYPICALLY HELD, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THE FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS OF THE MONTH AT FOUR 30.
AND FOR SOME MEETINGS, THE COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT A SITE VISIT IN THE MORNING ON THE SAME DAY AS THE MEETING WHERE THE COMMISSION WILL BE ASKED TO WALK AROUND A SITE PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT, OFTEN
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UNDEVELOPED, REQUIRING MINOR HIKING.IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE FOR? I WOULD.
COMMISSION IS ASKED TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR THINGS SUCH AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMPLIANCE WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.
WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, OR PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? WELL, JUST A, A LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE, I SUPPOSE.
I HAVE, UM, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY ONCE TO BUILD A, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UH, FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT I WAS, UH, INVOLVED WITH, UM, AND FORT HOMES AND A CABIN.
UM, I'VE HAD SOME INTERACTION WITH PLANNING AND ZONING IN, IN VARIOUS CITIES OVER THE TIME WITH THAT.
UM, BUT REALLY, I GUESS I JUST HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT.
UH, I'M NOT HERE TO CHANGE THE DON.
UH, I DON'T MIND BEING STUCK IN TRAFFIC, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE DID SOMETHING ABOUT TRAFFIC PROBLEM, BUT WE'RE, I'M OUR REALTOR WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT PROPERTY HERE, SAID, YOU KNOW, WELL, THERE'S TRAFFIC, BUT WE JUST CONSIDER IT BEING STUCK IN BEAUTY.
AND I GO ALONG WITH THAT, SO, AND I JUST DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR LIFETIME, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO FIX IT.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP IT FROM GETTING MUCH WORSE.
UH, AND MAYBE, UH, IT IS KIND OF NICE IN THE OFF SEASON WHEN YOU CAN JUST DRIVE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT, UH, SO I DON'T EXPECT TO, UH, TO MAKE ANY MAJOR CHANGES IN THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE.
UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE, UM, AND I'VE SEEN CITIES, UM, THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, UM, THAT HAVE THE SAME STYLE OF GOVERNMENTS, THAT SEDONA DOES DONE A PRETTY GOOD, THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE THE BEST THAT THEY CAN.
AND, UH, I'VE KNOWN PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ON THE CITY COUNCIL THAT HAVE BEEN WORKED IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, SO SOME OF OUR BEST FRIENDS.
SO I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
UH, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE VOTING TO APPROVE A PROJECT THAT MEETS CITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND CODES SUCH AS HEIGHT, MASSING, LIGHTING, COLOR, ET CETERA, IF YOU PERSONALLY DISLIKE THE DESIGN? WELL, I'M COLORBLIND TO START WITH.
SO I DUNNO ABOUT ALL THESE, THESE THINGS.
I DO KNOW THAT, UM, UH, WHAT I HAVE WATCHED HAPPEN IN THIS CITY ON, AS I WATCHED THE PLANNING ZONE COMMISSION, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THINGS BETTER ON OCCASION, UH, PERHAPS, UH, PAVERS INSTEAD OF PAVEMENT.
UM, UH, THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE AND QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE RAISED.
AND IF NOT AT THE PLANNING ZONE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UH, THE CITY'S JOB, AS I UNDERSTAND ANYWAYS, TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE THEY PRESENT IT TO US, THAT IT MEETS ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO WHAT WE CAN DO IN MOST CASES IS, UM, IS PERHAPS IMPROVE, FIND OUT HOW FAR, HOW FAR YOU CAN PUSH IT TO MAKE IT BETTER.
BUT AS FAR AS ME, UH, DISLIKING THE ACTUAL DESIGN OR THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF, UM, I DUNNO, THAT'S MY BUSINESS
IT'S, IT'S THE BUSINESS OF, UH, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, THAT IT'S NOT, FOR INSTANCE, OBSTRUCTING SOMEONE THAT'S HAD A GORGEOUS VIEW.
AND THIS PERHAPS COULD BE MADE IN THE WAY THAT IT, THAT IT, UH, WOULD NOT HINDER THAT VIEW.
IF THAT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT DESTROYING A PROJECT THAT QUITE FRANKLY WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITY, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH THAT.
UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD VOTE AGAINST IT.
AND WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PLANNING ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? WELL, I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EMPLOYEES TO WORK FOR THE CITY.
THAT PEOPLE THAT SERVE US IN THE COMMUNITY, TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY IF THEY SO CHOOSE.
UH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE, EVERY SALARY RANGE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUY THE FINEST HOME IN SEDONA, BUT THERE OUGHT TO BE A PLACE THAT IF THEY WANTED THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES, I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF OUR SCHOOLS, UH, THERE'D BE NICE TO HAVE A FEW CHILDREN AROUND.
UH, SO I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT I'M VERY INTERESTED IN, IS MAKING SURE THAT IT'S A PLACE THAT ANYONE THAT REALLY WANTS TO, CAN LIVE, THAT WANTS TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY, CAN LIVE HERE.
THEY MAY CHOOSE TO LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE A GOAL FOR US.
AND I, I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE IN THE
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CITY PLAN AS IT GETS UPDATED.YOU KNOW? UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE IS ONE THING, THERE ARE THINGS THAT BOTHER ME.
UM, I, I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA THE WAY THEY ENCOURAGED AND I SUCCESSFULLY GOT, UH, MCDONALD'S TO MAKE THE SIGN THE COLOR IS, I WISH THEY'D HAD DONE THE SAME WITH JAY BIRDS.
UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT DECISION WAS MADE OR WHATEVER.
UH, KEEPING SEDONA A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IS, IS, UH, OF INTEREST TO ME.
DOES THE ADOPTED SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECT CURRENT COMMUNITY VISION AND VALUES? AND PLEASE GIVE EXAMPLES OF REASONS FOR YOUR ANSWER.
WELL, A LOT HAS CHANGED, I THINK, OVER THIS LAST 10 YEARS.
UH, AND, UH, SO I MEAN, I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE THREE YEARS, SO I, I'M JUST STARTING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A, A RESIDENT.
UH, I AM, UH, THE PRESIDENT OF OUR HOA, SO I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT, UM, THE ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH IN A SMALL COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I'M FORGETTING THAT IT'S JUST THE QUESTION, CAUSE I NEED, COULD YOU READ THAT FIRST PART TO ME AGAIN, PLEASE? COULD I READ IT AGAIN? YEAH, JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE I ANSWER YOUR, DOES THE ADOPTED SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECT CURRENT COMMUNITY VISION AND VALUES? WELL, I, I'M HOPING THAT THE ONE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON NOW DOES, UH, SO I HAVE READ THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY HERE.
BUT AS I SAY, A LOT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF CHANGES WE BE MAKING TO IT.
I THINK IT KIND OF, SORT OF DOES.
BUT, UH, UM, THERE ARE JUST THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THEN, SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THAT SORT OF THING THAT, THAT HAVE, UH, THAT HAVE CHANGED.
AND THERE ARE NEW CHALLENGES FOR US.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER.
I JUST WAS LOOKING AT WHAT SCOTTSDALE'S JUST DONE.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE, THAT SAME KIND OF STUFF.
RIGHT? WE, WE WILL ADOPT SOMETHING.
NO, I, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE WILL BUT CAN'T STOP THE PROLIFERATION
UH, I WILL NOT BE BUYING ONE OR STAYING IN ONE.
PARDON? I WILL NOT BE BUYING OR OPERATING IN SHORT TERM REALLY
UH, SO I'M NOT GONNA ADD TO THAT PROBLEM.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ARIZONA OPEN MEETING LAWS OR THE RULES AND USE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? WELL, I AM WITH CALIFORNIAS AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THESE COULD BE ADMINIS STRICT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? WELL, UH, I THINK YOU'D BE DOING ME A HUGE FAVOR IF YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ME FOR THE POSITION BECAUSE, UH, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SPEAK UP? OH, I'M SORRY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE DOING ME, UH, BOTH AN HONOR AND A HUGE FAVOR IN A WAY TO ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON IT.
I HOPE THAT YOU'LL AT LEAST GIVE ME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
I, UM, I, UH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO PLAY A ROLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND GIVE BACK SOME WAY AND HOPEFULLY, UM, PARTICIPATE IN A WAY THAT MAKES THINGS PERHAPS IMPROVES THINGS, UH, AS THAT WE DECIDE TO BUILD WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, I AM SOMEONE THAT, UH, HAS LEARNED TO BE COLLABORATIVE, UH, TO WORK BY CONSENSUS.
UM, AND I MEAN, HAVE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, MAYBE 31 MEMBERS ON A COMMITTEE, UH, ALL TRYING TO REACH CONSENSUS ON SOMETHING.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY, UH, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, I'VE BEEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL AT IT.
SO HOPEFULLY, UH, I CAN USE THOSE EXPERIENCES, UH, IN THE PLANNING'S ON THE COMMISSION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT REALLY.
UM, EVERYTHING I, THAT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT YOU TOUCHED ON IN YOUR, IN YOUR DISCUSSION AND, AND WHAT YOU PARTICIPATED WITH, WHAT YOU GAVE US.
UM, I WASN'T QUITE SURE WHEN I FILLED THAT OUT HOW TO DO IT.
IT WAS, IT'S KIND OF HARD ON THE COMPUTER TO IT.
GET THE WORDS IN THERE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, YEAH.
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NOT A TECH WIZARD.I AM A BIT OF A GEEK WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, RESEARCHING THINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL ON THIS COMMISSION.
I THINK WE'RE ABOUT TO LOSE SOMEONE ON THE COMMISSION THAT IS THAT KIND OF PERSON.
SO HAVE YOU, UM, REVIEWED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? ANY OF THE, JUST GOING OVER THEM AT ALL? I, I HAVE, AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AWKWARD ON THE COMPUTER BECAUSE YOU GO AND YOU FIND THIS, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO OVER AND FIND THESE OTHER DOCUMENTS.
I ACTUALLY WENT OVER AND ASKED IF I COULD GET A COPY AND THEY DIDN'T SAY NO
SO IT WOULD BE EASIER TO GO AND I WOULD'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT, UH, EXTENSIVELY.
SO THAT BACK AND FORTH ON THE COMPUTER, UH, I DID IT.
BUT
ALL THAT QUESTIONS JUST IN OUR DISCUSSION, SO THAT'S GOOD THING.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME TO MAKE A DECISION FOR? FOR A DECISION? MM-HMM.
THANK, I USUALLY SEND OUT EMAILS TO ALL THE APPLICANTS, SO THAT'LL, THOSE WILL GO OUT EITHER THIS AFTERNOON OR TOMORROW MORNING, SO, OH, I'LL LET YOU GUYS KNOW SO YOU'RE NOT LEFT HANGING.
WE'LL, RECESS BEFORE THAT? YEAH, I JUST WALKING ACROSS THE, OKAY.
I'M GONNA GO GRAB HER THE, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WISH SHE, YEP.
SO I'M HOPING EVEN THOUGH YOUR TIME IS 11, IT WON'T MATTER THAT IT'S 10 55.
SO YOU KNOW HOW THIS GOES CUZ YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS SIDE OF THE FENCE TOO.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION, WHY DO YOU WANNA SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? UM, WELL, WHY DO I WANT TO CONTINUE? YES.
WHY WOULD YOU WANNA CONTINUE
AND I, I LIKE BUILDING A TEAM.
AND THIS COMMISSION IS, AND MANY OF THE PAST COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE EXTRAORDINARY TALENTS.
AND SO IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO SERVE WITH THEM.
AND, AND I FEEL, UH, I FEEL IT'S SORT OF A SENSE OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT MY OWN COMMUNITY AND I BELIEVE IN COMMUNITY SERVICE.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT MEETINGS AND BEING WILLING TO PARTICIPATE.
AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T, I YOU BEEN ENJOYING IT? I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ASK IT NOW.
UH, I HAVE A DIFFERENT STYLE THAN MY PREDECESSOR.
UM, WELL, I MEAN, WE DO, EACH OF US HAVE DIFFERENT STYLES AND, UM, NO, IT'S, I WAS MUCH MORE ASSERTIVE AS A MEMBER THAN I AM AS A, A CHAIR, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PERSONAL STYLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE RIGHT.
WELL, BUT THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION IS ABOUT PARTICIPATION.
IS, CAN YOU BE THERE AT FOUR 30 AND ARE YOU WILLING TO GET THE SITE? OH, IT'S, IT'S VERY LITERAL.
IT'S A VERY, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE QUESTION.
IT'S A YES OR NO QUESTION, BASICALLY, WHICH PRETTY MUCH WE FRANKLY SHOULDN'T HAVE
I THINK IT'S IN THE, ACTUALLY IN THE APPLICATION IT IS.
IF THEY ANSWER, UNLESS THEY DON'T ANSWER IN THE APPLICATION, I THINK THEY WILL ASK, REMOVE THAT ONE.
MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADA QUESTION A LITTLE BIT, YEAH.
TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN, YOU CAN WALK A SITE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU HAVE TO DO A SITE VISIT AND YOU'RE CAPABLE OF DOING A SITE.
NOW THAT DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE.
WELL, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY COULD DO IT.
WELL, IF IT'S, IF IT'S IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE, WE, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'D HAVE TO ASK IT.
WELL, BUT I'M SURE YOU DO IT AND CONTINUE TO DO IT.
I'M JUST MAKING MY COMMENTS WHILE I STILL CAN.
THE, THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR THINGS SUCH AS COMPLI COMPLIANCE WITH CITY'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IMPACT ON SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMPLIANCE WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.
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OR PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? WOW,UM, AND I KNOW HOW THEY'RE APPLIED AND I LEAN ON STAFF GUIDANCE FOR THE APPROPRIATE SECTION NUMBERS AND CODE NUMBERS TO EVALUATE PROPOSALS AGAINST THAT CRITERIA.
AND WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE VOTING TO APPROVE A PROJECT THAT MEETS CITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND CODES SUCH AS HEIGHT, MASSING, LIGHTING, COLOR, ET CETERA? IF YOU PERSONALLY DISLIKE THE DESIGN? UM, I DON'T THINK BEING COMFORTABLE IS A CRITERIA FOR MAKING DECISIONS.
SO THEY WOULD BE BASED ON THE LAW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUR ABILITY TO APPLY THAT TO THE APPLICATION DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
I WOULDN'T FOLLOW MY HEART'S DESIRE.
AND WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PLANNING ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? HMM.
I WISH I'D THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
WELL, AS IT WAS WHEN I BEGAN IN 2013, WE WERE AT THE CUSP OF ADOPTING OR HAVING JUST ADOPTED A COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN THE SAME POSITION NOW.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART OF OUR PLANNING LANDSCAPE IS TO GET THAT RIGHT TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, TO DEFINE THOSE MAJOR SIGNIFICANT, UM, AREAS WITHIN THE PLAN AND THEN BUILD THE DOCUMENTS BEHIND IT OR AMEND THE DOCUMENTS BEHIND IT, WHETHER IT'S CFAS OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR OTHERS TO IMPLEMENT THE VISION WE HAVE FOR THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS.
DID THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? SURE.
YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE MORE IF YOU WANT TO AND SAY AGAIN, COME UP, LET US KNOW.
UH, DOES, UH, WELL, ONE ISSUE I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT WOULD TO BE, CONTINUE TO DEFINE PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY CAN ACQUIRE OR CO-FACILITATE OF CO PURCHASE TO ENABLE, UH, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CHOICE IN THE CITY.
I MEAN, BUYING THE PROPERTY IS ONE THING.
DOES THE ADOPTED SONOMA COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECT CURRENT COMMUNITY VISION AND VALUES AND GIVE EXAMPLES OF, AND I ACTUALLY THINK MOST OF THOSE THEMES ARE GONNA CARRY THROUGH.
PARDON? FROM MOST OF THE, THOSE THEMES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN ARE GONNA CARRY THROUGH TO THIS UPDATE.
WE'RE IS GONNA AMPLIFY 'EM FOR THESE TIMES.
I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ARIZONA OPEN MEETING LAWS.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THEM? YEAH.
AND THE USE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES.
WE'VE NEVER HAD TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IN PNC AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE WELL, YEAH.
I MEAN, WE'VE CONFERRED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, SOMETIMES MID MEETING OR BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT WE'VE NEVER NEEDED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
SO I I'VE NEVER PARTICIPATED IN ONE OR LOVED ONE.
BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S INVOLVED.
I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES FOR WHICH YOU CALL AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING.
IT HAS TO BE FOR CERTAIN REASONS, RIGHT? YEAH.
LEGAL ADVICE, EMPLOYMENT, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE THIRD CATEGORY.
OH, DIDN'T EMPLOYMENT? THERE'S A THIRD CATEGORY I THINK.
ANYWAY, YOU, YOU HAVE ALWAYS AN ATTORNEY IN, IN THE MEETING TO ADVISE YOU IF YOU NEED, YOU HAVE CLERK WITH YOU ALL THE TIME OR DO YOU HAVE MM-HMM.
CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A NEW ATTORNEY THAT THEY BROUGHT IN.
AND HE FRANKLY HASN'T FOUND HIS FEET IN LAND USE LAW, I THINK YET.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S BEEN GROOMED TO BE THE COMMISSION'S.
UM, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE TOP PERSON.
YOU DON'T MIND IF I OFFER OPINIONS? NO, NO.
WE DON'T WANT OPINIONS ON THE RECORD.
ANY, WELL, THE LAST QUESTION IS THERE.
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AND YOUNG TO THE POSITION AND IF HE'S GOING TO FOLLOW AND PROVIDE THAT KIND OF GUIDANCE, WELL, BUT ANY US ANY, ANY ATTORNEY CAN ALWAYS LOOK UP THE LAW.WELL, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW A SPECIFIC AREA OF THE LAW, IT'S MORE HELPFUL IN THAT SETTING TO BE ABLE TO APPLY IT.
AND LAND USE IS ITS OWN UNIQUE BOX.
SO ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT SERVING, CONTINUING TO SERVE ON P AND Z? MM, I DON'T THINK SO.
I I DO NOT CONSIDER THIS A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, UM, AT SOME POINT LINUX, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR TWO, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT CHANGE OF LEADERSHIP AND, AND SUCCESS OF PLANNING ON THE CONVENTION FOR CHAIRMANSHIP.
WELL, THERE ARE SEVEN MEMBERS AND YEAH, THERE IS COMING AND GOING ALWAYS.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE EXPERIENCE ON IT TOO, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
WELL, PERHAPS YOUR VICE CHAIR WOULD BE INTERESTED.
NO, BECAUSE THAT WAS HER BARGAIN.
AND ANOTHER PERSON THAT I TALKED TO SAID, NO, THANK YOU.
BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A, MAYBE A SHARED PERCEPTION THAT THAT PERSON WILL FOLLOW.
AND CHARLOTTE WAS VERY GRACIOUS ABOUT STEPPING, STEPPING IN AS VICE CHAIR, BUT SHE MADE IT CLEAR SHE DIDN'T WANNA BE CHAIR DAWN.
I KNOW MAYBE SHE'S CHANGED HER MIND AND MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT HER IN THE THIRD PERSON, BUT
UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THE LARGER DISCUSSION ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND WHO CAN RISE TO VARIOUS ROLES AND FRANKLY THE ELECTION.
AND THAT'S TOP OF MIND IN TERMS OF HAVING CONSISTENCY AND CONSTANCY ON THE COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S WHAT DROVE ME TO DO THIS.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOU CONTINUING AND HAVING AN INTEREST.
WELL, BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVE CONCERNS, RIGHT.
AND CALLIE'S, UM, GONNA HAVE A LEAVE OF ABSENCE OR IS ON A MEDICAL LEAVE OF ABSENCE OR MATERNITY LEAVE OF ABSENCE RIGHT NOW.
AND OF COURSE PETE'S MOVING UP MM-HMM.
UM, SO THERE'S CHANGE OF WHAT YEAH.
AND I'M AWARE OF THAT RIGHT AS YOU ARE.
SO SHOULD I PLUG SOMEONE ELSE THAT'S APPLIED? PARDON? CAN YOU WHAT? NO, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY RE RE-UPPING REAPPLICATION.
UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? MM, THANK YOU.
YOU, I TRIED TO WRITE ONE OF THE LIGHTER ONES IF YOU GUYS COULD HEAR ME.
WELL THANK YOU FOR COMING AND I DON'T KNOW, HAVE YOU BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE? YEAH.
SO THESE QUESTIONS ARE, UM, WE'VE GOT LIKE 7 8, 8 QUESTIONS AND, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK US AT THE END.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, WHY DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE SERVING ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? WHY DO I WANNA CONTINUE SERVING? WELL, I'VE REALLY ENJOYED MY TENURE.
I FEEL LIKE I CAN BE AN ASSET AND I JUST WANNA SEE HOW FAR I CAN TAKE THIS AND CONTINUE TO BE WHAT I CAN TO SUPPORT THE CITY.
SO AS YOU KNOW, MEETINGS ARE TYPICALLY HELD FIRST THROUGH TUESDAYS AT FOUR 30 AND SOMETIMES INVOLVE A SITE VISIT WHERE YOU WALK AROUND AND ALL OF THAT.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE FOR? YES, OF COURSE.
THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO REVIEW PROPOSALS FOR THINGS SUCH AS COMPLIANCE WITH CITY DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IMPACT ON SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS COMPLIANCE WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.
WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, OR PERSPECTIVE DO YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? WELL, I THINK JUST MY BACKGROUND IN CIVIL ENGINEERING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, HAVING JUST, YOU KNOW, FINISHED BUILDING MY HOUSE, UH, I THOROUGHLY HAD TO READ THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WORKED WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO I AM PRETTY ENGAGED IN UNDERSTANDING ALL
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OF THOSE AND HOW THEY INTERFACE WITH THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN.SO I FEEL LIKE MY EXPERIENCE SUPPORTS THAT.
UH, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR A PROJECT THERE? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR A PROJECT THAT MEETS CITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND CODES, HEIGHT, MASSING, LIGHTING, COLOR, ET CETERA? IF YOU PERSONALLY DISLIKE IT? YES.
THAT MAY HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED.
AND WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PLANNING ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? WELL, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY REPETITIVE WHAT YOU HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, THE SUSTAINABILITY.
UM, PERSONALLY I FEEL LIKE A ROOT ISSUE THAT UNDERLIES ALL OF IT IS THE DIVISIVENESS IN THE CITY.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO TRY AND BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN A LOT OF THE CONFLICT THAT IS EXISTING AND REALIZE THAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IN SOME WAYS I FEEL LIKE WE'VE LOST THE UNITY AND COMMUNITY HERE.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TRY AND GET THAT BACK.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE OBVIOUS ISSUES, TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABILITY, THOSE ARE THE BIG ONES.
DIVERSITY, YEAH, FOR ME PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION CUZ I HAVE A LITTLE ONE
AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE AND HOW WE CAN EMBRACE YOUNGER FAMILIES.
DOES THE ADOPTED COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECT CURRENT COMMUNITY VISION AND VALUES? AND PLEASE GIVE EXAMPLES OF REASONS FOR YOUR ANSWER.
I THINK, UM, WELL, AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE'S A NEW COMMUNITY PLAN THAT'S GONNA BE COMING OUT AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN GETTING, YOU KNOW, UM, I GUESS A LOT OF DIVERSITY IN TRYING TO FORM THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN.
BUT I THINK IT REFLECTS, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, THE SUSTAINABILITY, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC, THE DIVERSITY, ALL OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THE VISION.
AND I THINK THAT'S REFLECTED IN ALL OF THAT.
COULD I ASK A FOLLOW UP? SURE, SURE.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN WHEN IT IS, DOES COME TOGETHER THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL TO PLANNING AND ZONING DECISIONS? WOW, THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
I THINK I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT TO HAVE A REALLY ARTICULATE ANSWER.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY IN ALIGNMENT IN WHAT WE NEED.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED ANYTHING PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TO CHANGE.
I THINK IT'S VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE HAVE AND I THINK IT'S JUST SORT OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DEEPENING THE DEFINITION OF THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
ARE YOU, I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ARIZONA OPEN MEETING LAWS MM-HMM.
THE OPEN MEETING LAW, UM, WELL, IS THAT THE, I ASSUME THAT'S THE RULES WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN GET TOGETHER AND RIGHT.
WHAT YOU CAN DISCUSS AND YEAH.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY TALK WITH TWO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT ANY ONE TOPIC.
AND THEY CAN'T GO AND THEN TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE.
AND THEN ALSO ATTENDING FUNCTIONS AS WELL.
IF YOU WERE TO ATTEND A FUNCTIONING AS THREE OTHER PEOPLE THERE AS THE COMMISSIONER, YOU REALLY HAVE TO STAY, UH, SEPARATED.
IT WAS A, UH, A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION WITH A PRIOR CITY ATTORNEY THAT HE JUST SAID THE THE LAST PERSON INTO THE MEETING WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE.
THE CURRENT CITY ATTORNEY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION OF THAT.
WHAT'S THAT? I THINK THE LAST TWO HAVE HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION.
I FORGOT
UHHUH
AND I KNOW THAT, BUT YOU'RE NOT TALKING BUSINESS.
THAT'S THE YEAH, I KNOW THAT WE'RE PRETTY KIND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT THAT AT XYZ MEETINGS AND FUNCTIONS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN MORE THAN TWO COMMISSIONERS.
I MEAN, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ONE WHERE I THINK COLLIE, PETE AND I RIGHT.
THAT WERE AT, YEAH, THOSE THE ONLY COMMISSIONERS MM-HMM.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD OR ASK ABOUT? NO, UM, I DO APOLOGIZE IF I SEEM A LITTLE FOGGY.
THE MEDICATIONS THEY HAVE ME ON AND THE COVID BRAIN,
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I'M A LITTLE SLOWER THAN I NORMALLYTHE COVID BRAIN IS A REAL THING.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
DO YOU GUYS NEED ANY SORT OF UPDATED RESUME INFORMATION FOR ME? OR NO? LET'S JUST, I DO MAYBE MM-HMM.
PER, UM, I GUESS I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
DO YOU MEAN AS A PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR DO YOU MEAN LIKE PERSONALLY IN MY LIFE? NO, NO.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST MORE OF MY ORIGINAL INTENTION, WHICH IS TO OBTAIN A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THINGS WORK.
YOU KNOW, THE RELATIONSHIPS AMONG EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, THE INTERFACE WITH CITY COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, I'M A RELATIVELY, YOU KNOW, NEWBIE STILL.
AND SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S JUST DEEPENING MY EXPERIENCE AND MY RELATIONSHIPS AND FIGURING OUT HOW I CAN BEST BE A RESOURCE AND AN ASSET FOR MAKING REALLY GOOD DECISIONS FOR THE BEST PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED.
YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO ATTEND MORE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT RELATIONSHIP BETTER AS WELL.
AND DO YOU EVER WATCH 'EM? I DO.
NO REAL INTENTION OTHER THAN JUST TRYING TO DO THE NEXT RIGHT THING.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I'M THAT IT? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
DRESS UP AND THEN GO BACK TO BED.
WE'RE GOING AS LONG AS YOU'RE HERE.
SO WELCOME AND WELCOME TO YOU MAYOR.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE AFTER EIGHT YEARS
AND, AND WE HAVE EIGHT QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
NUMBER ONE, WHY DO YOU WANNA SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? UH, I THINK I CAN ADD SOMETHING TO IT BASED ON EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE, BOTH OF WHICH I SCRATCHED ON HERE CUZ MY, I COULDN'T GET IT TO GO IN WORD.
I, UH, BEEN HERE GOING ON 18 YEARS.
UH, THE PRIMARY ASSETS OF THIS CITY IS SUBJECT TO ITS PLANNING AND ZONING.
THE REAL ESTATE THE CITY OWNS AND SO ON IS A VERY MAJOR PORTION OF WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE.
AND I THINK I CAN, UH, ADD SOMETHING TO THE CONVERSATION.
MEETINGS ARE TYPICALLY HELD THE FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS OF THE MONTH AT 4:30 PM FOR SOME MEETINGS, THE COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT A SITE VISIT IN THE MORNING ON THE SAME DAY AS THE MEETING WHERE THE COMMISSION WILL BE ASKED TO WALK AROUND A SITE PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT, OFTEN UNDEVELOPED, REQUIRING MINOR HIKING, SO TO SPEAK.
IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE FOR? YEAH, I'VE GOT HIKING BOOTHS, I'VE HIKED EVERY TRAIL OKAY.
IN THIS TOWN AND MANY THAT MANY HAVE NOT BEEN ON.
SO YEAH, I'VE, YES, WE'VE GOT A LOT.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, BEEN ON A LOT OF SITES.
THE COMMISSION HAS ASKED TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR THINGS SUCH AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IMPACT ON SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMPLIANCE WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.
WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, OR PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? UH, WELL MOST, ALL OF THE ABOVE.
MOST RECENTLY IN MY ALTAVISTA PROJECT, YOU CAN PRESCOTT, THERE'S ABOUT A 45 MILLION SENIOR RETIREMENT HOME.
EVERY KIND OF THOSE THINGS WERE INVOLVED.
IT WAS A COMPLETE P D PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH A VARIANCE BECAUSE THE EXISTING ZONING, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MM-HMM.
KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, ALTHOUGH I WASN'T IN PLANNING AND ZONING BACK IN ILLINOIS, THAT STUFF CAME AT
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ME AS A MUNICIPAL ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE CONFLICTS, PLANNING AND ZONING AND SO ON.SO KIND OF SEEN IT FROM BOTH SIDES.
NOT A PROSECUTOR, BUT MOST OF MY LIFE HAS BEEN CORPORATE GUY, CORPORATE LAWYER, AND THEN, UH, ENTREPRENEUR, UH, GOLDEN CORRAL IN KINGMAN IS ONE OF MY THINGS.
ALTAVISTA WAS THE LAST BIG PROJECT IN, UH, PRESCOTT, WHICH WAS AISLE AND ALE INDEPENDENT LIVING AND ASSISTED LIVING AND A LOT OF, UH, ZONING AND VARIANCE AND ALL KIND OF STUFF IN THAT PROJECT TO GET IT, TO GET IT FINALLY DONE WITH TWO HUB LUNGS, POUND, IT WAS A POUND OF MY FLESH AND A GALLON OF MY BLOOD.
LET ME PUT IT BACK TO YOU THAT WAY.
WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE, DID I ASK THIS ALREADY? VOTING FOR A PROJECT THAT MEETS CITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND CODE SUCH AS HEIGHT, MASSING, LIGHTING, COLOR, ET CETERA.
IF YOU PERSONALLY DISLIKE IT, I, I THINK IF IT CONFORMS TO THE CODES, WHICH IS A GROUP JUDGMENT, THEN I GOT, I HAVE TO GO WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW.
IF I LIKE PINK AND THE CODE SAYS BROWN, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
SO I THINK THAT'S A JOINTLY DECIDED.
CODES ARE A JOINT PRODUCT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND EVERYTHING.
AND YOUR APPLICATION IS, IS A SIMILAR QUESTION TO THAT.
AND UH, IT SAYS IF YOU ARE APPOINTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND YOU ARE FACED WITH A PROPOSAL THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND APPLICABLE ZONE, BUT YOU HAVE RESERVATIONS OR DO NOT PERSONALLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AND YOU SAY, UH, HARD TO ANSWER.
UH, THIS, THAT, THAT IS A, UH, IT'S HARD TO READ WHAT YOU SAID HERE THAT THERE'S FACTS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
OBVIOUSLY IF I DID NOT SUPPORT A PROPOSED THE PROPOSE, I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR IT.
I PROBABLY SAID FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH, WHICH IS AN OLD LEGAL TERM FOR THINGS THAT KIND OF DEPENDS ON, CAN MAKE BAD LAW, BUT BASED AN OLD SAYING.
BUT BASICALLY IT REALLY KIND OF, MY PERSONAL JUDGMENT OR OPINION IS NOT THE THING.
BUT IF THERE'S OTHER KIND OF, FOR SOME OTHER REASON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MIGHT BE, BUT YOU SAY, WELL THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF A PROJECT ZONED OR THE GUY WANTS A VARIANCE NEXT TO A SCHOOL.
FOR INSTANCE, YOUR CODE, UH, YOUR ZONING CODE HAS PROVISION FOR ADULT ENTERTAINMENT.
SO THE GUYS' FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES WANTS TO BUILD AN ADULT ENTERTAINMENT PLACE NEXT TO A SCHOOL IN AN AREA THAT MIGHT BE COMMERCIALLY ZONED FOR THAT.
EVEN IF THE CODE SAYS EVEN IF THE CODE YEAH.
JUDGMENT WOULD BE MAYBE IT'S NOT TOO GOOD TO HAVE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, NEXT DOOR, NEXT DOOR TO THE OTHER.
SO HE GAVE ME, I'M GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE I MIGHT BE THE ONE NO VOTE ON THAT DEAL EVEN ALTHOUGH IT CONFORMED TO ZONING, I'D HAVE ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OF IT, BUT, OKAY.
WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PLANNING ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? UH, TWO HUGE ONES.
SHORT TERM HOUSING IS A PROBLEM WHICH EVERYBODY ACKNOWLEDGES EVERYBODY IN THE COUNCIL.
AND THAT ALONG SEGUES INTO WORKFORCE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE I THINK I HEARD KAREN DAY OSBORNE, IT WAS A MEETING OVER AT THE CULTURAL PARK THAT I WAS AT AND UH, SHE IDENTIFIED A THOUSAND HOMES NOW HERE, WHICH ARE BASICALLY THE LOWER RENT, AFFORDABLE ANNUAL, YOU KNOW, YEAR LONG RENTAL HOMES HAVE BEEN CONVERTED INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO THE TWO THINGS ARE LIKE THIS, DEALING WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS IS ONE ASPECT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER THOUSAND HOMES.
SHE SAID A THOUSAND OF OUR HOMES HAVE BEEN CONVERTED, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE LOWER INCOME ANNUAL RENTAL.
TO AVOID THAT, TO STOP THAT IN THE MEANTIME, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY HOUSING HERE OF ANY SIZE AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO ON ONE AND TWO ACRE PARCELS AS A DEVELOPER.
THOSE LITTLE DEALS DON'T MAKE A LOT OF ECONOMIC SENSE, BUT OKAY.
SO, SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
YOU'LL SEE IF I UNDERSTOOD IT, YOU SAID THE THOUSAND PARCELS IS CORRECT.
HOMES? UH, IT'S, IT'S PROPERTIES.
BUT THEY WEREN'T LOW INCOME HOUSING.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY HAD, I GUESS WE HAVE SOME OF THAT, BUT IT, THEY WERE HOMES BUT THEY WEREN'T MILLION DOLLAR HOMES FROM WHAT I WELL THEY, SOME OF THEM COULD BE.
THERE'S, WE DON'T, WHEN WHEN WE GATHER OUR STATISTICS, WE DON'T TAKE ACCOUNT
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OF THAT.IT COULD BE A MILLION DOLLAR PROPERTY, IT COULD BE A $5 MILLION.
I THINK SHE SAID HOMES OR, BUT THEY'RE HOMES.
BUT THERE ARE, IT'S A BROAD SPECTRUM AND DEPENDING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY AREN'T, THEY AREN'T DISQUALIFIED FROM THAT CATEGORY BECAUSE THEY'RE HIGH END HOMES.
ISN'T SOMEBODY BUILDING SPEC BUILDING UP BY THE CHAPEL? LIKE EIGHT ONE? WELL, THERE WAS BEDROOM ONE.
THERE WAS PURPOSE BUILT TO BE.
WELL THAT'S, BUT, BUT THE ONE THAT HAVE, I STAY, AS YOU AND I DISCUSSED WHEN YOU INVITED ME FOR COFFEE, SO GRACIOUSLY THERE IS A LOT IN THE STATE, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL STATUTES, STR 1350, ET CETERA.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE, BUT BROADLY OUR PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE SHORT-TERM RENTAL CONVERSIONS HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF HOMES AND BEDROOMS OR WHATEVER OFF THE MARKET AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THOSE ARE TWO BIG PROBLEMS THAT WHEEL KINDA WHY I'M HERE.
THAT WHEELHOUSE INTO ZONING AND PLANNING.
THEY REALLY, IF WHAT THOSE TWO BIG ISSUES INTERRELATED AND, AND THEN TRAFFIC SPEWS OFF OF THAT, THOSE TWO BIG ISSUES ARE KIND OF WHY I'M HERE.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE FUTURE OF WHAT WE'RE FACING THE BIGGEST ISSUES.
DOES THE ADOPTED SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECT CURRENT COMMUNITY VISIONS AND VALUES? BY DEFINITION IT DOES.
IT'S ADOPTED BY THE COMMUNITY.
UH, YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF PANELS WITH COMMUNITY INPUT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, I SAT ON YOUR 2022 BUDGET COMMITTEE.
ALONG WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE.
YOU GET A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE, I GOTTA ASSUME THAT'S WHAT IT REFLECTS.
AND THEN ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ARIZONA OPEN MEETING LAWS OR THE RULES AND USE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? YOU BET.
AND WOULD YOU DESCRIBE BRIEFLY YOUR UNDERSTANDING? WELL, ANYTIME YOU HAVE A QUORUM OR MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, AND THIS INCLUDES THE FIRE DISTRICT, I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT A WHILE BACK.
YOU HAVE REQUIREMENTS AND NOTIFI, I MEAN, IT'S A MEETING, MATTER OF FACT, I THINK I WAS, WAS INVITED IN, I AND BOB PORTER TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING GROUP WITH THE MARTINEZ SPONSOR, VERY GRACIOUSLY INVITED US IN.
BUT YEAH, YOU GOTTA WATCH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE LAST QUESTION.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, OR ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING? I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT.
UM, I WILL JUST SIMPLY SAY TO BOTH OF YOU, EIGHT YEARS, EIGHT YEARS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I'VE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT IN A, NOT CAN BE REWARDING, BUT KIND OF A THANKLESS TASK WITH A LOT OF HOSTILITY AND A LOT OF ANIMOSITY AND A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR NO PAY.
I WAS ON THE BOARD IN, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE KIND OF POLITICAL STUFF HE GOT HERE, BUT WHEN I LIVED IN TUCSON, IT WAS A COMMUNITY, UH, ARTS FOUNDATION BOARD WAS ASKED TO BE ONTO THE CITY OF TUCSON.
AND EVEN THERE THAT, IT GOT A LITTLE POLITICAL, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE SUFFERED THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES HERE.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A BIG HASSLE FOR NO PAY.
GO SEE, I GO SEE JEFF BECK
SO IS THERE A MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPOINTMENT OF, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, KATHY LEVIN, SARAH WILE AND, UH, WILL HURST TO THE PLANNING ANDON COMMISSION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVORS.
SO IF THERE'S NO, NOTHING FURTHER WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'RE ADJOURNED.