* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THINK IT'S GETTING ANY PROBLEM, [00:00:01] BUT I DO THINK WE'LL [*This meeting was joined in progress*] [Historic Preservation Commission on November 14, 2022.] OFFICIALLY HAVE TO DO IT. OH, YEAH. I'M SURE THIS GROUP WILL AT SOME POINT AS PART OF OUR WORK. SO I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP AS PART OF OUR WORK PROJECT FOR NEXT YEAR. WE MIGHT HAVE TO SPEND A MEETING ON THAT AND JUST DO THE PAPERWORK SO WE CAN SLIP IT IN AND HAVE IT. YEAH. AND I, I THINK THE PICKLE BALL COURTS ON THIS, OR NO, THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT, UM, THANK YOU. THEY HAVE ALREADY, THIS IS THE OLD ORIGINAL, SO I SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN DRAFT. YEAH. UM, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN AND IT HAS ALREADY BEEN MODIFIED SEVERAL TIMES. AND I DON'T HAVE THE MOST RECENT, BECAUSE SANDY WAS WORKING ON THAT. YEAH. NO. MM-HMM. . SO WHERE THE PICKLE BALLS, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. YEAH. PICKLE BALLS AREN'T, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AT THE PARK ANY LONGER. GOOD. THEY CREATED THE ROAD FROM, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, PORTAL THROUGH TO BREWER. GOT IT. THAT'S RIGHT. THROUGH THAT AREA. IT'S JUST AN NEXT, ONLY, THERE'S NO ENTRANCE THERE. YEAH. UM, SO THAT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED. UM, MOST NOTABLY FOR TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO FOR, YOU KNOW, L PORTAL GAS OR WHOEVER DOESN'T WANNA DEAL WITH THE Y THEY CAN GO UP PORTAL AND EXIT OUT TO BREWER AND GO WHICHEVER WAY THEY'D LIKE. SO, UM, I MET WITH, UH, I'M TERRIBLE WITH NAMES, THE DIRECTOR OF ARTS FOR THE CITY THIS MORNING. NANCY. YEAH. HAD A NICE MEETING WITH HER AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF ARTS ARE SOME TYPE, TRYING TO PUT HER IDEA WAS IF THERE'S CHILDREN'S TOYS, THEY WERE GOING TO BE ARTSY. THEY WERE GONNA HAVE SOME FLARE. THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE JUST HOPEFULLY JUST PLASTIC SLIDES AND STUFF. SO I, I LIKE HER IDEAS A LOT. SO SHE WAS ON OUR WORK GROUP YEAH. FOR THE MASTER PLAN. YEAH. I REALLY LIKED HER IDEAS AND I LIKE THE, I LIKE THE WAY SHE WAS GOING DOWN THAT ROAD OF, OF TRYING TO TIE IT INTO A HISTORIC ARTS, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. YOU KNOW, THE MOST FAMOUS ARTIST WE HAVE IN SEDONA, UH, WAS A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY. WAS IT, WAS THE NAME AGAIN? MAX. OH, YEAH. YEAH. YOU KNOW, HIS, HIS ART GOES FOR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. AND SO THE DADA MOVEMENT STARTED ACROSS THE STREET IN THE 1950S. UH, THE, I MEAN, REALLY SOME GREAT HISTORY THERE. SO IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD PULL SOME OF THAT IN AS WE GO DOWN THE LINE. AND I THINK, ACTUALLY, I, I WANNA SAY HOW WONDERFUL THAT BUILDING LOOKS. I REALLY DO THINK, I THINK IT WAS, YOU DID A BRILLIANT JOB. I WANT IT ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. YOU DID A BRILLIANT JOB. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY LOOKING GOOD. IT REALLY NEEDED THAT HELP. YEAH. AND, UM, AND I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THAT. WELL, THANK YOU. YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WILL SAY, THE CONTRACTORS ON THE JOBS, THEY HAVE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT. AND THEY, UM, WE HAD TWO CONTRACTORS SO FAR. WE'VE HAD LOVE CONTRACTING AND BILL ROSTON, AND THEIR BIDS HAVE BEEN VERY COMPETITIVE. AND WHEN ONE OR THE OTHER DOESN'T GET IT, THEY'RE VERY DISCIPLINED. , I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING CONTRACTORS TO DO THE INTERIOR. GOOD. THAT, THAT'S TERRIFIC. I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, UM, ON WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE INTERIOR. YES. AND YOU MENTIONED, UM, A POSSIBLE LOFT. YES. WOULD THAT BE IN THE, THE MAIN WALL WITH THE DIAGONAL? YES. THAT SHEER WALL. AND HOW SERIOUS IS THAT? BECAUSE, WELL, THE, THE, IT, THAT'S THE EASY PART. THE HARDEST PART IS ACCESS TO THE AREA. RIGHT. BUT, BUT GOING BACK TO THE IDEA OF OPENING, PUTTING AN OPENING IN THAT WALL AND A LOFT, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT, FROM A HISTORIC POINT OF VIEW, SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE MORE DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THAT IS KIND OF DRASTICALLY ALTERING. IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE HAVING OUR DISCUSSIONS OUT THERE, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. WE HAD A STRUCTURAL COME OUT AND LOOK TO SEE IF WE COULD DO IT. YES, WE COULD. UM, BUT THEN BACK TO THE ACCESS, WHICH WILL PROBABLY SHUT THAT WHOLE IDEA DOWN, QUITE FRANKLY, HOW YOU GET TO IT. BUT YOU GOTTA WANT TO GET UP THERE SOMEHOW, AREN'T YOU? WELL, YEAH, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN CLIMB THE EXTENSION LADDER. SO, SO FOR WORKERS ONLY, TYPE OF THING. BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT POINT IS IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT, TO ME THAT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT YEAH. OF AN ALTERATION. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT HPC IS INTERESTED IN REVIEWING MM-HMM. AND SEEING PLANS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT IS, I PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT ALTERATION AND WE'RE TRYING TO STICK WITH I AGREE WITH YOU PERSONALLY. I WOULDN'T DO IT EITHER. YEAH. I WOULD KEEP IT ORIGINAL. UM, YOU KNOW. YEAH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE REALLY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE INPUT TO THE INTERIOR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE COULD SPEAK TO, BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH A RADICAL CHANGE FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE IN THE INTERIOR. MM-HMM. . AND I THINK WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE. WELL, AND THE, THE REASON THAT YOU WERE BEING BROUGHT IN TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AHEAD OF TIME IS BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE. [00:05:01] SO THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING YOU INVOLVED. SO JUST MAKE SURE YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT THE INTERIOR OF THE VICTORIAN BUILDING? WE'RE GONNA BE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE CHANGED. THE LITTLE HOUSE HOUSE. THE LITTLE HOUSE. YEAH. YEAH. UM, NOT, NOT TOO MUCH. UM, WE, WE SPOKE ABOUT REMOVING A WALL, UH, TO CREATE WELL, FROM THE, WELL, YOU WERE ALL THERE. YEAH. RIGHT. WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE LIVING ROOM, THEN THERE'S A BEDROOM TO THE RIGHT, KITCHEN TO THE LEFT, THERE'S TALK OF REMOVING THE BEDROOM WALL TO OPEN UP THE SPACE MM-HMM. , UM, TO ALLOW FROM SOME MORE MEETING SPACES FOR THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. UM, BUT THERE IS NO INTENTIONS OF BRINGING IN WIFI OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR ANY OF THESE BIG, UM, COMPUTER MEETING CENTERS. UH, I THINK THE IDEA WAS TO TRY TO GET IT BACK TO PERIOD. CORRECT. THOUGH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN TWO BATHROOMS, TWO UNISEX, WHERE THERE'S CURRENTLY ONLY ONE. RIGHT. UM, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST CHANGES. YEAH. DO YOU, DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO BRING THE INTERIOR TO THE PERIOD? CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE CAN WALLPAPER VERY, NO, NO. COME ON. NOT THAT. I THINK THE REALITY PROBABLY IS THAT, THAT THEY DIDN'T, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TOO MUCH OF THAT ANYWAYS. THERE'S A GUY, I THINK, I THINK LIKE PAINT ON THE WALLS, . I'D JUST LOVE TO DO A VICTORIAN BUILDING. I KNOW THAT WOULD BE FUN TO DO HERE. BUT ACTUALLY THE, UM, I THINK THE ONE THING THAT WE DID COMMENT ON SOME OF US WAS THE FIREPLACE AND LEAVING IT THERE. ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T USE IT. YEAH. IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE. BUT ACTUALLY, THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DEMARKS THAT LOOK MORE THAN THE REST OF IT. THAT THE, AND I THINK ACTUALLY LEAVING THE WALL OUT, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU POINTED OUT, AND I, I AGREE TOTALLY WITH, IS IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE AS USEFUL AS WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE IT, TAKING THAT ONE WALL OUT IS NOT A BAD IDEA. BECAUSE THAT WILL ALLOW US, I KNOW THAT THERE, THERE, I THINK IT'S A SUPPORTING WALL RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A, IN THERE SOMETHING. BUT ON THE, ON THE OTHER HAND, IT MAKES IT SO MUCH MORE USEFUL. I MEAN, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OF COURSE, FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CREATE SOMETHING, A BARRIER TO MAKING SOMETHING USEFUL. LARRY, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT, SINCE WE WERE ON THE FIREPLACE, I WANTED TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE FOUNDATION, THE RUBBLE FOUNDATION. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO PUT A BE WALL UNDER THAT, BEHIND IT? MAYBE I'VE BEEN IN THAT SPACE AND, UM, IT'S PRETTY DICEY, QUITE FRANKLY. MM-HMM. , BECAUSE THEY REALLY JUST FOUND FLAT RED WRAPS AND THEN THEY PUT MORTAR, AND THAT'S HOW THEY MADE THAT FOUNDATION. MM-HMM. AND, UM, DOING THE RESTORATION OF IT. UM, THE CONTRACTORS ACTUALLY DID, UH, POINT AND TUCK TO GET TO GET IT SOLID. MM-HMM. . AND, UM, THEY HAD TO REPLACE A FEW STONES. I THINK THREE OR FOUR, NOT MANY. UM, IT'S PRETTY SOLID. GOOD. UM, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT. MM-HMM. , UM, IT SEEMS THEY BUILT IT WELL. I MEAN, AS LONG AS IT'S BEEN THERE AND THE WAY THE CONSTRUCTION THEY USED, I'M SURPRISED IT HASN'T, THE WHOLE HOUSE HASN'T DONE ONE OF THE, WELL, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT BEARING WEIGHT ONCE, YOU KNOW, WE DO THINGS, YOU KNOW, CHANGING ON THE INSIDE. WELL, THOSE ARE ALL GONNA BE ADDRESSED BY THE PERMITTED DRAWING SET. YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GET THE, UH, ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, SO THEY'LL LOOK AT ALL OF THAT. YOU SAID IT'S GONNA BE A MEETING SPACE? MAYBE, OR, THIS IS WHAT'S COME UP IN DISCUSSIONS. SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, BUT I, I THINK YOU REALLY NEED WIFI. IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING SPACE, THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE WIFI AT THE PARK, YOU KNOW, AROUND, AROUND THE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DEDICATED TO THE HOUSE . UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE CONFIRMATION OF THAT. OKAY. JUST, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS, YOU KNOW, WIFI. OH, YEAH. AND EVEN IN THE PARK, IF YOU'RE SITTING OUT THERE AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA WORK AT THE PARK, IT'S NICE TO HAVE WIFI. YEAH. GREAT. I THINK THAT'S ALL GONNA COME UP WITH, AND, AND ACTUALLY TOO, EVEN, EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOMETHING, LIKE WE, WE MIGHT BE DOING SOMETHING IN THE BARN CHAMBER MUSIC, THE WIFI WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT NEED IN ORDER FOR THAT TO ACTUALLY WORK. BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA SELL TICKETS TO SOMETHING, OFTENTIMES WE NEED THE WIFI TO DO THAT. I THINK THE WIFI IS GONNA BE NECESSARY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I HOPE WE GET TO THAT POINT. JUST DON'T WANT TO GO. BUT THAT'S THE WIFI. OKAY. GOOD. UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY YEAH. YEAH. BOB? YEAH. KIND OF A PRESENTATION ON THE BARN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHO, THE PEOPLE THAT TAKE CARE OF THE PARKS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF. I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, HAVING BEEN A PARK RANGER FOR 31 YEARS, YOU KNOW, THEY CALL ME A FOREST RANGER [00:10:01] AND THEY CALL ME EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO I HAD THIS THOUGHT ABOUT THE BARN, AND THAT IS TO CREATE, UM, SOME EXHIBITS, UH, ON THE PUBLIC LANDS. AND THIS IS JUST, THESE ARE MOCKUPS THAT I'M SHOWING YOU, SIR. THANKS. YEAH. JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S, WHAT. OH, I GOT, I'VE GOT AN EXTRA ONE HERE. THAT'S, THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . BUT THESE ARE JUST MOCKUPS OF THE VARIOUS AGENCIES THAT ARE, ARE PROTECTORS OF THE PUBLIC LANDS. AND, UH, I THINK THIS WOULD BE FAIRLY, I EASY TO DO. THEY WOULD BE THREE BY FOUR FOOT PANELS. THEY COULD BE TAKEN OFF THE WALLS OR PUT ON THE WALLS. CARBON PLAQUES. WELL, KIND OF COLOR. IT'D BE A FIBER GLASS OR KIND OF NO, NO. I KNOW. SO YOU COULD PUT 'EM OUTSIDE TOO. TILT IT. YOU COULD. YEAH. FOR SURE. BUT I THINK, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA. I THINK, I THINK AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN, IN INSIDE THE, THE, THE, THE HOUSE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE MAYBE SOMETHING TALKING, SPEAKING TO WHAT THAT WAS. BUT I THINK DOING IT IN THE BARN, AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY, IT, IT, IT, IT TIES US IN. AND, AND YOU ALSO MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS PART OF THE PARK SURFACE TOO. YES. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD ACTUALLY TIE IN ALSO. SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH, IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I THOUGHT, TALKED TO NANCY THIS MORNING. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IF WE COULD GET, GET A GROUP TOGETHER ABOUT NODES. THERE'S CERTAIN NODES THERE, LIKE THE OLD, I CALL IT THE VICTORIAN BUILDING IS A DIFFERENT ERA. AND IT WAS A DIFFERENT USE. AND THEN THE CC BUILDING WAS A DIFFERENT NODE, A DIFFERENT ERA, AND THEN MAYBE OTHER PARTS. AND IT WOULDN'T CHANGE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT IF YOU WERE GONNA DO PLAQUES OR DISPLAYS, THEY WOULD BE AN OVERALL THEME. LIKE, OKAY, YOU WENT OVER HERE, THIS WORKS YOU. OR MAYBE AS YOU WORK AROUND IT, YOU ACTUALLY WORK WITH TIME. WELL, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, CUZ I USED TO WORK 20 YEARS PARTS, UM, IS THAT WE DO AN INTERPRETIVE PLAN MM-HMM. , BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT IDEAS YEAH. BEING SUGGESTED, INCLUDING NOT JUST HISTORIC PRESERVATION, INTERPRETATION, BUT ART AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER TOPICS. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR, THE INTERIOR OF TWO BUILDINGS, RIGHT. ET CETERA. AND I THINK NATE HAD AN IDEA. YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF I, IF I, NO, NO, NO. OKAY. SURE. . UM, ONE OF THE THINGS AFTER OUR MEETING WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE WITH SANDY AND, AND LARRY AND CYNTHIA AND THE WHOLE CREW, UM, YOU KNOW, SANDY ASKED THE MUSEUM TO KIND OF SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MIGHT ENVISION OUR USES FOR THE SITE AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AND SUGGESTED WAS EXACTLY WHAT BOB'S TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, THE MUSEUM COULD TAKE ON THE, THE JOB OF, OF DOING SOME OF THAT INTERPRETATION. AND, AND I THINK LIKE CYNTHIA'S SAYING, UM, WITH, WITH, UH, WITH DEVELOPING AN INTERPRETIVE PLAN AND GOING FROM THERE, I THINK IS, IS THE WAY TO DO IT. BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS, IS SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED TOO. SO YEAH. AN OVERALL PLAN I THINKS GREAT. IT'S NOT AD HOC. YEAH. AND YOU HAVE YEAH, I LIKE THAT. AND I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF WHAT BOB WROTE BROUGHT UP HERE. YEAH. I IT'S A REALLY, UM, AND, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHT. YOU PUTTING THE EFFORT INTO ACTUALLY SHOWING US WHAT YOU WERE THINKING TO WHEN WE HAD TALKED TO SHIPO A FEW YEARS AGO, ONE OF ERIC BONDY'S CONCERNS WAS BRINGING THE LAND INTO THE BUILDINGS. AND, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT AS WELL. AND THEN I HAD SOME STUFF ON THE HOUSE OR THE, UH, RESIDENCE. IF YOU THINK BACK TO 1917, WHERE WERE WE? THE WORLD WAR I WAS STILL UNDERWAY. MM-HMM. , THERE WAS BEGINNING OF THE URBANIZATION OF, OF THE UNITED STATES. AND, UH, AND OF COURSE THE FOREST RANGERS OR BOTTOM WERE GONE OFF TO WAR. THE BOYS THAT WERE GOING INTO THE WAR CAME OUT AS YOUNG MEN, AND THEY WOULD WANT TO POSSIBLY BE FOR STRANGERS. THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT OF BUILDING FOR RESIDENTS AND SUCH. AND IT, THE FOREST SERVICE, IT HAD ABSOLUTELY NO ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, WHICH SEEMS JUST REALLY WEIRD. BUT THEY WOULD ALWAYS BUILD JUST AD HOC. I MEAN, WHEN, UM, BILL WALLACE CAME IN AS A PARK, AS A FOREST RANGER, [00:15:01] YOU KNOW, HE JUST BUILT THE RANGER STATION WITH HIS FRIENDS AND SUCH. AND SO, UH, IT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF IT. IN 1917, THERE WAS A, A, WELL, HE WAS A FORESTER, AND HE, UH, CAME UP WITH, HIS NAME WAS, UH, OI. AND HE CAME UP WITH THE FIRST PLANS FOR, UH, FOR DWELLINGS, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD, THESE KIDS THAT WERE COMING IN DIDN'T HAVE THE SKILLS OR ANYTHING. AND SO THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO CONTRACT. AND IN ORDER TO CONTRACT IT, THEY HAD TO HAVE PLANS. AND THIS ACTUALLY IS THE, THE ORIGINAL THING THAT HE CAME OUT WITH THESE SORT OF PAS AROUND. AND HE COULD, THEY COULD BUILD A RESIDENCE. IT'S CALLED ONE ONE D PLAN. AND, UH, AND THEY COULD BE BUILT FOR $112 IN LABOR AND, OR AT LEAST HE THOUGHT THEY COULD BE. AND SO, UM, IN 19, WE'LL GO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. 1915, UM, UH, WHAT'S HIS NAME? UH, BUSHNELL, UH, BECAME THE RANGER. AND HE MOVED INTO WALLACE'S OLD RANGER STATION. AND THE NEXT YEAR HE ACTUALLY SENT A LETTER SAYING THAT THE PLACE IS STARTING TO FALL APART AND I NEED A NEW OUTHOUSE. SO COULD YOU SEND ME $600 TO DO IT? WELL, NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED FOR ABOUT A YEAR. AND THEN HE CALLED AGAIN, HE SENT A THING TO HIS SUPERVISOR, AND A SUPERVISOR FORWARDED IT ONTO, UH, ALBUQUERQUE TO THE REGION. AND THEY SENT PLANS OUT TO BUILD A HOUSE. NOW, IT'S REALLY WEIRD WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. HE CREATED THIS PLAN IN 1919. HE SENT THE PLAN OUT, AND IT WAS BUILT WITHIN THAT YEAR. SO I BEGAN TO WONDER, I WONDER IF IT WAS THE PLANS. SO I WENT TO THE SOURCE, UM, WHAT ARE THE SOURCES I CAME UP WITH? AND THAT WAS THE APPLICATION TO THE REGISTRY OF HISTORIC PLACES. AND AGAIN, PASS AROUND. AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON IN SECTION SEVEN, PAGE THREE AND SECTION EIGHT, PAGE TWO, OR 12 RATHER, IT ACTUALLY REFERS TO THE STATION AS A D ONE. MM-HMM. UHHUH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE. I KIND OF STARTED LOOKING FOR OTHER STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT IN 1917 RANGER STATIONS. AND THE ONLY ONE THAT KEPT COMING UP WAS SEDONA RANGER STATION. AND IT WASN'T UNTIL ABOUT 1921 THAT THEY STARTED REALLY USING THE PLAN. AND OF COURSE, THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES. SO YOU THINK THIS IS THE FIRST KIND OF, THAT'S WHAT I'M BEGINNING TO THINK. AND SO IT'S KIND OF A, COULD BE A SPECIAL PLACE MM-HMM. . AND WE WOULD WANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO USE IT, BECAUSE IF IT'S THE FIRST ONE EVER BUILT, I MEAN, IT IS, IT'S PRECIOUS. YEAH. WHAT A GREAT STORY TO HAVE THERE. RIGHT. AND, UH, AND I CAN'T FIND, I MEAN, YOU CAN TRY, BUT I COULDN'T FIND A SINGLE RANGER STATION THAT WAS BUILT THAT YEAR. SO, UH, NO, I KNOW THAT THEY DID. THERE IS THE ONE, THE ONE BEDROOM THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT KNOCKING THE WALL OUT, THAT THAT WAS AN ADDITION, I THINK, TO THAT. YES. IT WAS AFTER THAT. THAT, THAT, BUT THE ORIGINAL IS REALLY CONTAINED WITHIN THAT, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT FIRST WALL IS. YEAH. AND SO I'M SORT OF IN DISAGREEMENT WITH EVERYONE ON THE, ABOUT TAKING AN A WALL DOWN YEAH. AND MAKING IT A MEETING ROOM. I THINK A BETTER USE WOULD BE TO RESTORE IT TO A 1920 RANGER STATION AND HAVE IT LOOK LIKE IT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IN 1920S, THEY WOULD'VE HAD A HORSE AND SO MM-HMM. , THEY WOULD NEED A SADDLE AND A BRIDAL. AND THEY, ALL THEY HAD WAS A CORRAL AND A STALL. MM-HMM. . SO THEY'D BRING IT IN AND HANG IT ON THE WALL. PROBABLY HAD SOME FIRE TOOLS THERE WHERE IT DIDN'T GO. AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL KIND OF CAMP. BIRD IS THAT WAY WHEN YOU GO TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, YOU WALK IN IT'S 1890S. RIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND OF A COOL IDEA. YEAH. IT'S A, BASICALLY [00:20:01] IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTING IT AS A MUSEUM. SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS THIS, THEN DO WE MAKE, WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISCUSS, TO DISCUSS IN FUTURE. I THINK THIS IS, BUT THIS IS GOOD TO BRING IT UP AND HAVE US HAVE IT ON OUR RADAR FOR WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT. CUZ I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME DRAWINGS FROM BOBBY WOOD AND WE'LL SEE SOME OTHER THINGS WHEN THIS COMES UP, AGAIN, TO US WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE SHOULD, WE HAVE, AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS, BUT SOMETIMES THE CITY GETS TOO FAR AHEAD OF AHEAD OF AN IDEA, THEN IT'S TOO LATE TO PULL IT BACK. SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, WELL WE DID DO A MASTER PLAN AND WE HAD A WORK GROUP AND HPC WAS INVOLVED, AND THAT'S WHERE THE IDEA FOR THE MEETING SPACE CAME FROM. YEAH. NOW, THE REMOVING OF THE WALL IS, IS NOT NECESSARY. BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND, UM, THE WHOLE IDEA OF ADAPTIVE REUSE. RIGHT. AND THAT WE WANT BUILDINGS TO BE USEFUL AND FUNCTIONAL AND THERE IS A NEED FOR SMALLER MEETING SPACE IN TOWN. YEAH. AND THAT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, I LEAN BOTH WAYS, BUT I DO THINK THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, THIS HISTORY HAS TO BE TIED TO THAT SPACE. YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, I, I I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF HAVING ALMOST A HISTORICAL SITE OR MM-HMM. , UH, AND, AND HAVE INTERPRETATION, HAVE THE, UM, WAYSIDE EXHIBITS OUTSIDE AND EVEN MAYBE A LIVING HISTORY. AND, UH, I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE SOME PICTURES HERE OF THE 1920S, UH, RANGER, UH, UNIFORM. AND, UH, WE EVEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CAN CHECK AND WE CAN WELL, I THINK, I THINK, YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN'T LOSE, UH, UH, AND, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN'T LOSE, UH, UH, VISION OF IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC BUILDING TOO. THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE, WE, WHATEVER WE DO, WE NEED TO, AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE, I GUESS WE COULD TALK ABOUT PUTTING PHOTOGRAPHS AND THINGS ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. IT'S ALMOST AS, AS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE TALKING, IT'S SORT OF A, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING UP THINGS FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY INSIDE THE THAT, BUT MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS, IF WE'RE THINKING OF DOING THAT, DO THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THIS, THE THEORY OF WHAT THIS WAS, RATHER THAN THE WHOLE CITY. YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THINK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S FUTURE. THIS IS WHY YOU WANT AN INTERPRET MM-HMM. . RIGHT. EXACTLY. IN ORDER TO TALK ABOUT ADAPTIVE REUSE AND ALSO PRESERVING THE HISTORY, UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE LIKE, DIORAMAS AND STILL MAINTAIN THE, THE MEETING SPACE? THAT WOULD BE PART OF A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU HAVE YOUR INTERPRETIVE PLAN, PLUS YOU ALSO HAVE TO WORK WITH THE OPERATIONAL ISSUES WHERE WE BRING IN PARKS AND REC. WHO WILL BE MANAGING THE BUILDINGS. YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING I THOUGHT ABOUT TODAY WHEN WE WERE HAVING OUR MEETING IS, OKAY, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A MEETING SPACE. WE GOT SPACE ACROSS THE STREET, PROBABLY DOWN THE LINE. HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BUY THAT BUILDING. BUT HERE, HERE'S THE THING IS SOMETIMES WHEN YOU TRY TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, YOU DON'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB. AND I WAS THINKING IF I WANTED TO USE THAT BUILDING FOR BUILDING SPACE, I HAVE TO CALL PARK AND REC, THEN I HAVE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, THEN I HAVE, HAVE TO GO GET KEYS. AND THEN SOMEONE'S GOTTA COME IN AFTER ME AND MAKE SURE IT'S CLEANED UP. THEN THEY GOTTA LOCK THE BUILDING BACK UP. AND I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW WHAT, I PROBABLY WON'T GET USED. I WOULD RATHER SEE IT, LIKE YOU SAY, INTERPRET. YOU WALK IN AND MAYBE THE ROOMS ARE KIND OF BLOCKED OFF LIKE THEY DO WITH A LITTLE ROPE THING. RIGHT. AND YOU LOOK IN THERE AND YOU KIND OF GO, WELL, THAT WAS COOL. THEN YOU GOT A COUPLE PLAQUES. YOU LOOK IN HERE, IT'S GOT SOME INFORMATION. IT CAN BE OPEN DURING THE DAY AND PEOPLE CAN GO IN AND LOOK AND THEN YOU OUTSIDE. THIS IS WHERE THE HORSE USED TO BE. AND NOW I GET A FEEL FOR 1917. YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THERE'D BE A GARDEN OVER THERE THAT THEY WOULD GROW THEIR VEGETABLES. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO REALIZE IF WE DO THAT IS THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE THE BURDEN OF ACTUALLY HAVING TO PAY FOR SOMEONE TO WATCH AFTER. WELL, AND WE HAVE, BE CAREFUL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS. CAN I ALSO, JUST BEFORE WE STRAY TOO FAR, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING OFF OF OUR AGENDA ITEM, WHICH WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT INTERIOR RENOVATIONS. AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO OPERATIONAL ISSUES, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT FUTURE, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE'RE JUST, WE ARE, BUT WE AREN'T. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN THAT WENT THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS, RIGHT. TO DECIDE ALL OF THIS. UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MORE SPECIFIC OPERATIONAL PLAN [00:25:01] INVOLVING, BUT, BUT IN ALL HONESTY, HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? THE MASTER PLAN? MM-HMM. . I MEAN, WE STARTED THIS PROJECT 10 YEARS AGO, SO ON THE BACK OF THIS ONE, THIS WAS 20, UM, 16 ON THIS DESIGN. YEAH. SO, SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I, I AGREE, BUT YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY. WE CAN'T PUT ON A TAP THE BREAK, TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND ASK A QUESTIONS. ALL I'M SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS INTERPRETIVE IDEA COMES UP, CUZ IT, THE PARK KIND OF TIES WITH IT. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME UP A MASTER PLAN. IT HAS. NO, NO. I MEAN, I MEAN, CHANGING OR ADDING, IN OTHER WORDS, ONCE THE TRAIN'S ON THE TRACK, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. I CAN DO ANYTHING. BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF DOING A PLAN AND HAVING A WORK GROUP THAT MET FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, I UNDERSTAND A LONG TIME. AND IT WENT THROUGH H C P AND Z CITY COUNCIL, A LOT OF EFFORT AND THOUGHT WENT INTO IT. I UNDERSTAND. AND IT'S NOT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT IN THE WRITTEN SENT THE ITEM TO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IN THE, IN THE REAL WORLD, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DEVELOP A PRODUCT THAT'S NOT GOOD ANYMORE, YOU REDESIGN THE PRODUCT. THAT'S JUST NORMAL. ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, BUT, BUT SOMETIMES A GOOD QUESTION COMES UP AND YOU SAY, WELL, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. WELL, I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF TOO IS THAT THIS WHOLE PARK IS, WAS REALLY PURCHASED TO DO THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, IF IT'S ANOTHER HISTORICAL MUSEUM, HOW MANY TIMES IS AN INDIVIDUAL FROM THE CITY GONNA ACTUALLY GO IN TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT IT'S WONDERFUL TO, I THINK WE NEED TO ACTUALLY EXPRESS WHAT IT IS AND IT HAS TO BE IN THERE. BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TOO TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT PROPERTY, AND CUZ I KNOW I WAS REALLY HELL BENT ON HAVING THIS BOUGHT BY THE CITY SO THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IF WE ACTUALLY DO THE, IF WE ACTUALLY TURN THAT INTO ANOTHER MUSEUM, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE VISITED MORE BY PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN THAN IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, VISITED BY PEOPLE IN TOWN. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT. WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. UH, AND WE DO HAVE A WONDERFUL HISTORICAL, UM, UH, SOCIETY THAT ACTUALLY HAS AN INCREDIBLE MUSEUM. SO, YOU KNOW, AS AS, BUT I STILL THINK WE CAN'T LOSE TRACK OF WHAT BOB BROUGHT UP HERE. WE CAN'T BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE LANDMARKED THOSE BUILDINGS. OTHERWISE WE JUST KNOCK 'EM DOWN AND MAKE A PARK OUT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . AND SO WE CAN, IT'S GOTTA BE, WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT THE, WELL, I THINK THIS GROUP CAN HAVE A VIEW, DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO OVERWHELM WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT I THINK THE HISTORIC COMMISSION CAN HAVE A HISTORIC VIEW ON SOMETHING THAT IT'S LIKE, AND I THINK WE CAN PUT IT OUT THERE. I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT A PROCESS SHOULD OVERWHELM EVERYTHING AFTER 10 YEARS. I WAS INVOLVED IN DAY ONE WITH THIS. I WAS THE ONE THAT FOUND THE PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, AND GOT THE WHOLE BOX. SO I, I GET IT. UM, BUT WE CAN TAP THE BRAKES, THROW THE IDEA OUT. IF IT FAILS, IT FAILS. BUT I'M SAYING I THINK THAT'S KIND OF OUR JOB TO KIND OF SAY, I THINK YOUR IDEA IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA. I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE IT TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. WELL, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S, WE'RE NOT AT THAT STAGE RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'RE REALLY, OF COURSE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IF WE TAKE THAT WALL OUT. SO WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US WITH THOSE, THEN WE COULD THEN THIS POINT, WELL, THE IDEA OF THIS AGENDA ITEM AND GOING OUT TO VISIT THE SITES, UM, UM, YEAH. WITH LARRY AND SANDY IS TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. AND SO NOW IS THE TIME TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THAT WALL SHOULD STAY OR GO. MM-HMM. . THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM. WELL, NOW, AND WE, WE ARE SORT OF IN AN ODD SITUATION HERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, I I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FIVE PEOPLE HERE IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. DO WE NOT? NO. OR WE'RE NOT? WE CAN FOUR CAN BE, IT'S A DIRECTION. OKAY. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE A DIRECTION IF WE SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE, THEN . WELL, AND IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FORMAL MOTION, BUT I, IT WOULD BE USEFUL IF WE HEARD FROM ALL FOUR OF YOU. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD, WELL, WHY DON'T WE, DONNA, CAN WE, FOR MOTION, WE'RE NOTED FOR MOTION. YEAH. BUT WE COULD GO AROUND AND EACH OF US COULD EXPRESS THEIR OPINION ABOUT WHAT, SO I, I KNOW, BOB, YOU HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED YOUR OPINION. , , IF YOU WANNA DO IT AGAIN, I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR IT AGAIN. NO, I, IT WAS VERY WELL PUT. AND I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE ENERGY AND TIME YOU PUT INTO FINDING ALL THESE STUFF. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA PASS IT ON TO, UM, YOU, JACK, WELL, LISTENING TO WHAT I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS AFTERNOON AND, AND MY [00:30:01] OWN EXPERIENCE IN, IN REPURPOSING AND ADAPTIVE REUSE AND PROPERTY. UM, I LOVE WHAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR. I LOVE IT. I, I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. AND I DO AGREE WITH STEVE AND WITH BOB ABOUT MAYBE INTRODUCING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE INTERPRETIVE HISTORIC, UH, ELEMENTS. SO, SO WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? I, I, I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT BOB IS VOTING TO LEAVE THE LAW THERE. MM-HMM. . AND SO THEN YOUR OPINION WOULD BE, UM, MY OPINION INDIAN IS, UH, I, I HAVE A MIXED OPINION ABOUT IT. I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO TAKE THE WALL OUT AND MAKE IT MORE USEFUL, MAKE THAT SPACE MORE USEFUL. UH, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW BOB FEELS ABOUT IT. ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF LEAVING THE WALL IN IS IT MORE, MORE CLEARLY DELINEATES THE ADDITION. SO, UM, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM WE RUN INTO WITH THESE SEPARATING YOU. WE HAVE TO SEPARATE HIM. MM-HMM. . WELL, AND I, I'M, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA SORT OF SIDE WITH JACK. I, WHAT I WORRY ABOUT ALWAYS IS THE USEFULNESS OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, HAVING HAD, HAVE, HAVING HAD DEALT WITH THAT IN THE PAST, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT IT TO END UP BEING THAT WE DON'T DO SOMETHING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT PROPERTY IS NOT USED AS MUCH AS IT COULD BE USED. AND THAT, AND I, I REALLY THINK THAT IF, IF IT WAS LARGER, I KNOW I WOULD USE IT WITH THE, WITH OUR ORGANIZATION. I'D USE IT FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I'M LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE DELINEATION THING. NOW IF WE COULD SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, DO IT SO THAT YOU COULD TELL WHERE THAT DELINEATION IS, WHICH I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY WILL BE ABLE TO, IF WE HAVE TO PUT A BEAM IN AND EVERYTHING, YOU'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO DO THAT. MY TENDENCY IS TO LEAN TOWARD TAKING THE WALL OUT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE KNOW WHERE THAT WALL WAS ORIGINALLY AND HOW IT, HOW IT ACTUALLY, UH, FACED THE BUILDING. ONLY BECAUSE I'M, I'M REALLY BIG ON, YOU KNOW, USEFUL USE OF PROPERTIES BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY GO AWAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE UNUSEFUL THEN THAT THEY, THEY COME IN AND KNOCK THEM DOWN. AND I DON'T, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN. SO I'LL PASS IT ON TO STEVE, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA BE MORE CONSERVATIVE. I SEE IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING. I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN CONTEXT. UH, YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER THAT IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO OPEN UP UP THE UPPER BARN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT BUILDING. SO WHY IS IT APPROPRIATE TO TAKE OUT A WALL IN THIS BUILDING? UM, I HONESTLY DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A VERY GOOD MEETING SPACE ON THE LONG RUN. I THINK WE CAN FIND OTHER PLACES IN OUR ELECTRONIC AIDS THAT CAN DO BETTER BUILDING SPACE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS AN INTERPRETIVE AREA SO THAT WHEN I GO OUT THERE, I GET A SENSE THAT THE SCHOOL WAS ACROSS THE STREET. THE WATER SYSTEM WAS UP THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ORCHARD OVER THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT THERE WAS AN ORCHARD OVER HERE. UM, I WANT, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK IN THERE AND GET A FEEL FOR THE OLD SEDONA. AND THIS, THIS COULD BE LIKE, YOU WALK AROUND AND THINK ABOUT A SEVEN OR EIGHT YEAR OLD KID THINKING THIS WAS A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE. THIS IS WHERE THEY LIVED IN 1917. THEIR OUTHOUSE WAS OVER THERE AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHERE I LEAN. OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT FOUR OPINIONS. , , IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. ONES . SO PROBABLY JACK AND STEVES ARE, THEY'RE THE MOST SIMILAR. UM, AND I, I MEAN, BOB AND STEVES, JACKS AND MINE ARE PROBABLY MORE SIMILAR. I GUESS WHEN I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO I FIX UP OLD BUILDINGS? THAT'S KIND OF MY HOBBY. AND SO IF I WALKED IN THAT FRONT DOOR, STUCK MY HEAD IN AND IT WAS KIND OF 1917 WITH A CLOCK AND AN OLD DIS AND YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THEY HAD, THEN AS A YOUNG PERSON YOU KIND OF GO, WOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY COOL. AND THAT'S KIND OF DISAPPEARING. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY HAD OIL LAMPS. UM, YEAH. SO I MEAN, THAT LITTLE THING, THAT LITTLE LITTLE SLICE OF A VIGNETTE, I THINK KIND OF WHAT I ENVISIONED. THAT'S ONE I MENTIONED WALLPAPER. WOULD IT BE FANCY WALLPAPER? NO. BUT THEY USED WALLPAPER TO KEEP THE CRACKS SO THE BUGS DIDN'T COME THROUGH. YEAH. SO WE'LL, WE'LL SHARE ALL OF THIS WITH, UM, SANDY OKAY. PHILLIPS WHEN SHE RETURNS. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, I THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY, UH, EXERCISED OUR OUR, ALL OUR OPINIONS ON THAT. AND I THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, BOB, FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DID. BRING IT ALL INTO OUR ATTENTION. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. SO NOW WE'LL GO ON TO DISCUSSION, UH, FIVE B ON OUR AGENDA [00:35:01] DISCUSSION RATE REGARDING PROCESS TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL LANDMARKS. UM, I STILL, I I, I DO NEED TO, AND I PROBABLY NEED TO TALK TO THE CITY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, TOPA AND, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY LANDMARKING. UH, I WOULD LOVE TO LANDMARK THE, THE CHAPEL, BUT, OR JUST THE, OR IF WE HAVE TO JUST THE TOWER. BUT I HAVE TALKED TO HER, TO WENDY AND SHE'S IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS. SO I PROBABLY NEED TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT TO YOU, CYNTHIA, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT I NEED TO BRING TO HER, HER AND HOW I NEED TO APPROACH HER ON THIS. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN THANK YOU. YOU THANK A THANK FOR ALL THAT WORK. YES, GO AHEAD. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN LANDMARK. I, WE, I WENT OUT TO LOCK POCKET TO LOOK AT IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN LANDMARK THE BELT TOWER BY ITSELF. IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE THE CHAPEL TOO. YEAH. AND I, I THINK SHE VERY WELL COULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT, WHAT SHE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO DO TO, TO LANDMARK THE WHOLE, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES. BECAUSE THEN THAT SORT OF TIES HER INTO NOT BEING ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. RIGHT. NOW WHAT NOW WHAT WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IS THE CONTEXT THAT STEVE SAID IN TERMS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, ONCE WE'VE LANDMARKED THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE REFLECTED BY THE AREA THAT'S SURROUNDED AND HOW, HOW WE, HOW WE DESIGNATED. HOWEVER, I THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OUR LANDMARKING, UM, UH, PAPERWORK CAN SORT OF LEAVE THAT OUTSIDE OF THAT. UM, THAT PART OF IT. I, THE REASON I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR US TO, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS MEANT SOMETHING TO FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. I MEAN, IT'S, SOME PEOPLE COME HERE SPECIFICALLY TO GO THERE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE'VE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE CHAPEL. IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR US TO, WELL, I, I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE THE LORETTA CHAPEL IN, UH, SANTA FE. YEAH. UM, IT, THE SURROUNDING AREA DOES CHANGE. YEAH. BUT BECAUSE IT HAS ITS OWN SPACE AS THAT CHAPEL WOULD IN PPA, I DON'T THINK THE SURROUNDING INFLUENCES PER SE ARE GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. YEAH. NO, I THINK, I THINK IT COULD BE WRITTEN UP, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO I, I, I REALLY WOULD I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T JUST DO IT. I, I'D LIKE TO, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA DO A SITE VISIT JUST TO DISCUSS MM-HMM. OR EVEN JUST A SMALL GROUP, MEANING LESS IN THE QUORUM. YEAH. LESS IN THE, WELL, TWO OF US. EITHER TIME. MAYBE EITHER WAY. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THAT'S THE ONE THAT I SEE RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, UP NOW WE ALSO HAVE THAT BUILDING THAT I WENT IN AND VISITED AND I BROUGHT THE IN INFORMATION, UM, ABOUT THAT THE TWO WOMEN OWN THE DOWN IN THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ON SORT OF AS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR. ALSO. I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IF WE CAN GET SOME MONIES FROM THE STATE TO ACTUALLY WORK ON BOTH OF THESE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IF WE CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR BUDGET WOULD BE IN TERMS YOU DON'T NEED ANY FUNDING FROM THE STATE TO DO THIS. WELL, THEY WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A SITE VISIT THAT YOU COULD ARRANGE, WE CAN ARRANGE FOR VISITING BOTH OF THOSE SITES AT THE SAME TIME. AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. LET'S DO THAT. I THINK THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO RESPOND TO, UM, THE, I THINK HER NAME WAS, LAST NAME WAS MS. BEZ. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THE KIVA HOUSE IN THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. IF YOU REMEMBER. YEAH. WHAT'S WHAT'S, WE DO NEED TO RESPOND TO HER BECAUSE SHE'S VERY ANXIOUS TO GET GOING ON THAT. AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND ALSO TO WENDY AND, YOU KNOW, LET HER KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA COME BY AND TALK TO HER ABOUT, THE KEY WITH WENDY IS SHE'S A VERY DETAILED PERSON. SHE'S GONNA WANNA KNOW IN DETAIL HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT WHAT SHE DOES AROUND THAT BUILDING. SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY HONEST WITH HER. MM-HMM. . UH, AND I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR AND SHE'S CLEAR, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. OTHERWISE SHE MIGHT GET COLD FEET. WELL, THAT'S, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN'T ADD ON. NO, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THIS. UM, THE, YOU KNOW, DRY, AS LONG AS SHE'S CLEAR AND WE ARE CLEAR, I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO IT. OKAY. I, I THINK IT'D BE EASY THAT THE CHAPEL ITSELF IS EASY ENOUGH TO DELINEATE FROM THE ENTIRE REST OF LOCK POT. YEAH. YEAH. AND I THINK TOO, THE CHAPEL IS SOMETHING THAT SHE'S NOT GONNA WANT TO GIVE UP EITHER. CAUSE IT'S USED FOR EVERYTHING. MM-HMM. . SO WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION THEN, CYNTHIA? IS THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY, THE FOUR OF US SHOULD GO AND MAYBE PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA HAVE A MEETING IN DECEMBER OR NOT, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE MOVE THAT MEETING AND POSSIBLY DO IT IN JANUARY. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE [00:40:01] CITY HAS LOOKED FORWARD TO OUR MEETING POSSIBLY IN DECEMBER OR NOT. UM, WE WERE NOT GOING TO MEET IN DECEMBER. THAT'S WHAT I, SO I'M WONDERING IF, IF JANUARY, WOULD THAT WORK TO DO A SITE VISIT IN JANUARY? LATE JANUARY? IF, IF WELL WE HAVE A STANDARD MEETING. IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO A FIELD TRIP YEAH, WE COULD MEET ANYTIME. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU ANNOUNCE. RIGHT. BUT YEAH, YOU CAN ALSO HAVE YOUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING BE AS WELL. SO IT'S UP TO YOU WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO. UM, WELL DO, WE PROBABLY NEED TO SORT OF DISCUSS WHAT OUR TIMING IS AND WE'LL HAVE TO SORT OF MAYBE SEND EMAILS OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT TIMING IS GONNA BE. BECAUSE, UM, DO YOU HAVE THREE PLACES WHERE YOU WANT US TO SEE 2, 2, 2. THE OTHER, THE THIRD ONE THAT WE DO WANNA LOOK AT EVENTUALLY. I THINK HE'S STILL WORKING ON IT. THE MEDO, THAT'S THE THIRD ONE THAT I WAS THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT. UM, AND I THINK HE'S STILL WORKING ON THAT. SO I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OUT ON THOSE. BUT THE OTHER TWO, I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY, UM, DO THAT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T, AS FAR AS THE TIMING, I DON'T THINK IT, IT'S GONNA MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IF, IF IT'S DONE BEFORE THE NEW YEAR. MM-HMM. BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS. YEAH. I, WHAT HAVE I, I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE NEVER EXPEDITIOUS ENOUGH. YES, THAT'S TRUE TOO. WE DO PUT STUFF UP. I, YEAH. AND I DON'T LIKE, LIKE, TO REALLY DO THAT. I MEAN, WELL THE, THE, THE QUESTION IS THOUGH, ARE WE, IF WE ACTUALLY ARE OF ALL FOUR GOING TOGETHER TO SEE THESE TWO PLACES, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE AN IZED MEETING BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT OTHERWISE, RIGHT? YEAH. WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. BUT HERE'S THE QUESTION. WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? OKAY, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT IT. WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE GONNA DO A SITE VISIT BECAUSE WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO FIND OUT? WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF IT'S WORTHY OF BEING A LANDMARK. WELL, I, FROM YOUR OPINION, AND THEN YOU ALL WOULD RECOMMEND IF WE SHOULD SURVEY IT, HAVE A PROFESSIONALLY SURVEY IT. OKAY. YEAH. CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT. WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? YEAH. YEAH. WE NEED TO HAVE A PROFESSIONALLY SURVEY. SO WE'RE GONNA WALK AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LITTLE VOTE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, LET'S DO IT OR NOT. WELL, AND I, I THINK JACK, BOB MENTIONED THE TOWER. I THINK BY GOING OUT THERE AND SEEING IT AND DISCUSSING IT, YOU GUYS MIGHT MAKE A DECISION THAT MAYBE THE TOWER'S NOT ENOUGH OR WHATEVER, WHICH WAY WE'RE BUILDING. OKAY. YEAH. PICK. THE OTHER THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AT TOPA IS THAT A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE IS REALLY BAD HERE. OH, YOU MEAN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ACTUAL LIKE TOWER? WELL, IT, I'M LOOKING AT OTHER BUILDINGS OUT THERE TOO. UH, I WALKED THAT AREA AND, AND SOME BOY, I MEAN, IT'S SOME, IT'S REALLY HURTING, RIGHT? YEAH. AND UM, SO, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE WORTHINESS OF, YOU KNOW, LONGEVITY TO THAT PROPERTY. AND, AND I WAS NOT IN THE CHAPEL. I JUST WALKED AROUND AND YEAH. WELL IT, IT'S A MULTI, MULTI MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROPERTY, SO THEY'RE GONNA KEEP IT UP. WELL, YEAH, YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED WHAT I SAW. YEAH. MM-HMM. . WELL, LET'S, LET'S DO THAT. CAN WE JUST LIKE PICK A DATE AND I LIKE THE IDEA, LET'S JUST DO SOMETHING. MM-HMM. . OKAY. WHAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WELL, CERTAINLY THANKSGIVING IS COMING UP AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IT, AND I HAVE THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER IS GONNA BE REALLY TOUGH FOR ME AND I DON'T KNOW THEN, SO WE'RE PUSHING OURSELVES INTO DECEMBER WAYS. I MEAN, WE COULD ACTUALLY MAYBE JUST DO THE, CALL IT THE REGULAR, OUR REGULAR MEETINGS ON THE 13TH OF DECEMBER OR SOMETHING. I CAN'T KNOW. THE 12TH WORKS. IF WE, IF WE JUST WENT AHEAD AND ON THE 12TH OF DECEMBER, JUST DID THE SITE, THE THING THEN AND, AND, AND NOTHING ELSE. COULD WE ALL MEET THERE, MAYBE TAKE OUR CARS THE OTHER PLACE AND THAT'S OUR MEETING. YEAH. AND THEN YEAH, WE COULD AND YOU COULD JUST FOLLOW ME. YEAH, LET'S JUST DO THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD I MEMBER THAT'S RIGHT. YOU CAN DO IT. I, I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN THAT DAY. OKAY. BUT I DON'T, THEY WHERE YOU WIRED, YOU NEED TO, I THINK, I THINK IF WE, IF WE ALL JUST COLLECTIVELY GO TO TAKE A LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE PLACES AND THEN WE, WE CAN ACTUALLY DISCUSS IT ONCE WE'VE THAT'S GOOD. UM, EVEN AT THE SECOND, THE MINUTES AND, AND YOU CAN DO RECORD. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. WELL I, IF IF NECESSARY I COULD PROBABLY BRING THE RECORDER WITH ME AND WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY TOO, IF THAT, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. BEEN RECORDING THEM. THEY HAVE A STAFF MEMBER PRESENT. OH, THEY HAVE TO HAVE STAFF. WELL, WELL, IF YOU CAN WORK IT OUT AND IT WORKS WITH YOUR GUYS' SCHEDULE, WHY DON'T YOU YEAH. TRY, LET'S TRY FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOMETHING GOING TOO. CAUSE I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT NOT GETTING BACK TO WENDY TOO. I, I'VE LEFT THIS [00:45:01] MUCH TIME AND THE OTHER TWO WOMEN WHO ARE REALLY ANXIOUS TO HEAR. SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE ALL, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND OUT PROBABLY TO LOCK OF COFFEE WILL BE OKAY, BUT I'M NOT SURE. OPEN. YEAH. I THINK IT'S, THEY CAN GET US IN. YEAH. AND SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE NO, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE WOMEN I'LL, I'LL FIND OUT FROM THE, I'LL FIND OUT FROM THEM AND WE CAN GET BACK TOGETHER. SO THAT'S TWO THINGS WE CAN GET DONE NEXT YEAR. MM-HMM. , WE LOOK AT IT, WE LIKE IT, WE PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA, WHETHER WE DO IT OR ASK THE STATE FOR THE MONEY. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO THEN LET THAT, THAT SORT OF TAKES CARE OF THAT. UH, B NOW LET'S GO ON TO SEE DISCUSSION REGARDING HBC WORK PROGRAM AND ALLY, YOUR 2024 BUDGET. UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT, THAT I THINK, UH, CYNTHIA, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE SOME UH, HANDOUTS FOR THAT? RIGHT? WHERE IS THESE CHAIRS? DO NOT PULL BACK. THEY'RE TIME. I ALMOST FALL OVER TRYING TO GET 'EM BACK. MINE DOES. WHAT'S YOUR FOLLOWUP? OKAY, STEVE. SO THERE WE GO. THIS IS A FOLLOW UP FROM LAST MONTH'S DISCUSSION AND WE UM, BASICALLY WENT THROUGH WHAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST TIME, UM, AND WROTE UP JUST A SHORT LIST OF WORK PROGRAM STUFF. THIS THE SAME SCHEDULE THAT, UM, JANINE HAS A COPY HERE BECAUSE IT ALSO MENTIONS THE, UM, AGREEMENT WITH THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, UM, WHICH IS ON THE BACK OF THE PAGE. AND SO THAT'S RELEVANT. UM, THAT ONE IS RELEVANT TO THE BUDGET DISCUSSION. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER. SO I THINK THE FIRST ONE, WE COVERED THAT PRETTY MUCH IN OUR PREVIOUS, UM, ITEM. SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. THE OTHER JUST STANDING RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HPC IS REVIEWING CERTIFICATE OF CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. MM-HMM. . YES. SO THAT'S AN AS NEEDED WHEN A LANDMARK OWNER COMES FORWARD, WHAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED, UM, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT, WHICH IS WHEN IT'S A MINOR ENOUGH IMPROVEMENT, THAT CHAIR AND STAFF WILL GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND MAKE A DETERMINATION, UM, ON THAT. SO THOSE ARE JUST STANDING ITEMS. UM, THE NEW THING HERE IS PARTNERING WITH A HISTORIC SOCIETY. AND ON PAGE TWO I PULLED OUT JUST THE SUCTION IS RELEVANT TO HPC FROM WHAT'S CALLED THE COMMUNITY SERVICES PROVIDER AGREEMENT. AND SO THAT'S THE OFFICIAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN, UM, THE HISTORIC SOCIETY AND CITY, WHICH IS NEW THIS YEAR. IN THE PAST, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS MORE LIKE A LEASE FOR THE JORDAN PROPERTY. AND SO NOW THIS IS A MUCH FULLER AGREEMENT. THEY WANTED IT TO BE STANDARDIZED TO HOW THEY ALSO HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. UM, AND THIS IS WHERE WE BRING IN NATE AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT WAS, UM, FOR THE HISTORIC SOCIETY HIRING A FULL-TIME STAFF PERSON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. UM, SO WHEN THEY WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THE AGREEMENT, YOU'LL REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, JANINE CAME TO OUR MEETINGS. UH, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION AND I JUST PUT THE EXCERPT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY RELEVANT. OKAY. UM, TO YOU ALL. BUT THE PIECES THAT ARE IS THAT, UM, THE HISTORIC SOCIETY WAS GONNA PARTNER WITH COMMISSION AND PROVIDE SOME TRAINING. AND THE THOUGHT WAS THIS WOULD, WOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR MAYBE WHAT SHIPO WOULD TRAIN YOU GUYS ON AT A CONFERENCE. AND ALSO DIFFERENT FROM THE LANDMARK PROCESS, WHICH IS A CITY PROCESS WHERE WE WERE THINKING THERE'S SORT OF A GAP RIGHT NOW IS JUST BASIC HISTORY OF SEDONA, BUT ALSO EVEN OUR, OUR LANDMARKS. UM, SO IT COULD BE THAT MAYBE THE HISTORIC SOCIETY ORGANIZES SOME SORT OF TOUR WHERE YOU GO AROUND AND LOOK AT LANDMARKS OR OTHER HISTORIC SITES. [00:50:01] SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF TRAINING YOU WOULD WANT. AND THEN IN A FUTURE MEETING, UM, WE CAN HAVE NATE ALSO TALK ABOUT POSSIBILITIES, RIGHT? SO TO BE DETERMINED, UM, AT A LATER DATE. AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM ON THERE, EDUCATION AND OR RECOGNITION FOR CURRENT AND OR POTENTIAL LANDMARK OWNERS. I THINK THE, UH, RECOGNITION AWARD COULD FALL UNDER THAT ITEM, UM, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE AN EVENT AROUND THAT. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT THE COMMISSION USED TO DO IN THE PAST WAS HOLD AN EVENT FOR LANDMARK OWNERS. UM, JUST MORE OF A SOCIAL TYPE OF EVENT. AND WE ACTUALLY, THAT WAS, THAT WAS GENERALLY DONE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, WHICH IS IN, UH, MAY THAT BE. AND THEN THE PUBLIC ACTIVITIES EVENTS. OUR THOUGHT WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSED CIGNAS ABOUT PROBABLY A YEAR AGO, IS THAT THE HISTORIC SOCIETY ALREADY PUTS ON A LOT OF EVENTS AND THAT MAYBE THERE'S ONE OF THOSE THAT THE COMMISSION COULD PARTNER WITH THEM ON. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE DIFFERENT EVENT. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ITEMS THAT FALL UNDER THAT AGREEMENT. AND SO THOSE THREE ITEMS DON'T HAVE TO BE A STANDALONE BUDGET ITEM, UM, SINCE IT'LL FALL UNDER THE HISTORIC SOCIETY. DO WE KNOW IF THAT INCLUDES RECOGNITION PLAQUES? UM, NO, IT WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE PLAQUE, BUT THE COST OF THOSE PLAQUES, IF WE STICK WITH THAT SAME SIZE, ARE LIKE $600. IT'S, I, I'VE ALREADY FELT THERE'S LIKE A GAP IN THE, IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, LIKE WE'RE WORKING AT THE PARK, WE'VE NEVER REALLY WALKED YOUR PROPERTY AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS SHOULD BE FIXED AND THAT SHOULD BE FIXED. AND, AND COME UP WITH A LIST OF HOW DO WE KEEP IT THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE KEPT. CUZ RIGHT NOW THE CITY KIND OF COMES IN AND DOES STUFF MAYBE AD HOC, BUT I REALLY THINK A FORMAL WALKTHROUGH BRING IT UP TO DATE OR GUESS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS JUST, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, PROBABLY THIS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. AND THEN WE, THAT'S ALL WE DO. MM-HMM. . BUT I THINK THIS GROUP IS PRETTY GOOD AT, AT SAYING THAT'S KIND OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BANK FOR MONEY, IT SHOULD BE WHATEVER YOU NEED TO FIX IT UP. AND THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE WITH ALL OF OUR LANDMARKS. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WE'RE FAILING. I THINK WE OWN THAT ONE. SO, I MEAN, THE CITY OWNS THAT. WE OWN THAT ONE. BUT THEN, BUT THEN THERE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE GASAWAY HOUSE. I MEAN I HAVE, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT IN A NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING USED AND WE KNOW THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BEING TAKEN CARE OF AND, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE WASN'T THE GAS HOUSE ONE THAT WAS FOR SALE? IT WAS, YEAH. WEBER'S BOUGHT IT AND HE'S A GOOD GUY. HE'S KEEPING IT UP. BUT LIKE HUMMINGBIRD HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO ME IS REMODELING NOW, NOW SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO OVER THERE AND SAY'S SAFE. KEEP AN EYE ON IT, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND WE HAVE, I'M SURE YOU HAVE, BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT BUILDING, I THINK, UH, AND WE MAY WALK AROUND IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S FINE. BUT, AND CUZ THEY, WHEN YOU DO FIX 'EM UP, THEY GOTTA BE DONE A CERTAIN WAY. YEAH. YEAH. BUT STEVE, I WANTED TO REMIND YOU, YOU AND I, I WERE PART OF THAT WALKING TOUR. YEAH. OVER, OVER AT THE JORDAN PLACE. YEAH. ABOUT HOW MANY YEARS AGO? WELL, YEAH, IT WAS WHAT, THREE OR FOUR? THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. AND WE, WE PUT A NEW ROOF ON MM-HMM. AND WE GOT SOME STUFF DONE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A, THERE WAS NO TALKING BETWEEN THE TWO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO THE CITY YEAH, WE'LL GET TO YOU. BUT THAT'S KIND OF OUR OVERSIGHT, I THINK. WELL THAT'S WHERE THE CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT APPROPRIATENESS COMES IN WHEN THEY'RE DOING MAJOR CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR. IT DOES GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. I'M JUST SAYING AS AN ANNUAL THING, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO, YOU HAVE PERMISSION USED TO HAVE AN ITEM THAT ANNUALLY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO CHECK EVERY LANDMARK. YEAH. YEAH. MAKE SURE. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. AND I THINK, YEAH. AND WE'VE SORT OF FALLEN DOWN IN THAT RESPECT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AND, AND, AND WITH NATE ON THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IT IT IT CAN ACTUALLY, WE CAN SORT OF LEARN FROM WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUT THERE TOO. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. I COULD, IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST, MOST OF US HAVE BEEN TO MOST OF THE LANDMARKS. I YOU, WELL WHAT ABOUT THE ONE THAT WAS USED TO BE THE, UM, THE, UM, THE, YOU REMEMBER THE BED AND THE BED AND BREAKFAST STORE? OH YEAH. UP ON THE HILL'S. UP ON THE HILL. I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T GONE THERE IN A NUMBER OF YEARS. SEE WE WENT THERE FOR CHRIS. I WENT THERE. YEAH. YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE ROAD. YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE ROAD. YEAH. ONE THING WE MIGHT DO IS HAVE A MEETING AND WHAT WE OUGHTA DO IS PUT UP ON THE SCREEN AND GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE LANDMARK BUILDING [00:55:01] TOGETHER. AND THEN, AND THEN, YEAH. AND THEN LET'S ALL GET FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THEY ARE AND THEN WE CAN GO TO PLAN B. YOU KNOW, HOW MANY WIN. SEE, BUT I THINK WE, I THINK WE ALL GOTTA REFRESH OURSELF. I THINK WE'VE BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF OFF OF TWO YEARS OF JUST KIND OF OUT OF THE WHACK. OH JANINE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO MENTION? YEAH, YEAH. YOU FILL OUT A CARD. JUST OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M OPENING IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMP. THIS, SORRY. I WAS JUST GONNA, I JUST MENTIONED TO DONNA CUZ WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE USED TO DO A MILLION YEARS AGO. ONE OF THE THINGS THE HBC USED TO DO TOO WAS SEND A LETTER ONCE A YEAR TO ALL OWNERS SAYING, REMINDING THAT WE HAVE THIS PROCESS AND HERE'S, AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE A CHANGE, LIKE WHEN WE CHANGED THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO A NO EFFECT AND TURNED ITS STAFF, THAT WAS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE TO THE OWNERS. THERE WAS A NEW PROCESS WHENEVER. AND THAT WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO NOTIFY OWNERS THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE OF STAFF. IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO HEAR FROM OWNERS THAT THEY HAD SOLD MM-HMM. AND WE MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOWN IT. AND SO IT'S LIKE ONCE A YEAR IT'S THAT TOUCH TONE TO SAY WE'RE STILL HERE, WE'RE STILL WATCHING YOU. YEAH, WE WERE, WE WANT TO HELP YOU OR YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS A GOOD REMINDER OPPORTUNITY. SO NOT ONLY THE TOURS, WHICH USED TO BE A PART OF THE TRAINING, UM, BUT THEN ALSO THE JUST GENERAL EASY COMMUNICATION. SO IN OUR WORK, IN OUR WORK PLAN, THEN WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE A DAY WHERE WE REVIEW EVERYTHING, ALL OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE THAT PART OF OUR WORK PLAN. NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA REVIEW ALL THE HISTORIC PLACES AND THEN THEN AT THAT POINT WE CAN DECIDE WHAT'S NEXT TO DO. YEAH. AND, BUT I THINK GOING, SEEING THEM OR MAYBE A COUPLE PEOPLE GOING OUT THE TIME AND LOOKING AT 'EM WOULD BE GOOD. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WITH YOU, WE USED TO GO OUT AND LOOK FOR OLD BUILDINGS MM-HMM. AND WE DROVE ALL AROUND TOWN. AND, AND THEN, BUT, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK THAT, THAT ACTUALLY WE WERE ACTUALLY SENDING THOSE OUT, THOSE LETTERS OUT, UH, AT HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, THAT THAT WAS PART OF, WE INVITE THEM TO USUALLY A THING THAT WE WERE DOING THAT MONTH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALSO DO EVERYTHING THAT JANINE IS SAYING. UM, SINCE COVID WE HAVEN'T, WE DIDN'T, WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT THAT WHOLE YEAR. WE SORT OF LOST WE'LL DO IT. AND THAT, I THINK TO DO THAT, TO HAVE THAT, HAVE THAT THAT MONTH, THAT MONTH CAN BE THE, THE SORT OF THE BELLWETHER FOR THE, FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THOSE CONTACTS IF WE HAVE IT, IF WE GIVE IT A SPACE AND A TIME EVERY YEAR, THEN IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LESS LIKELY TO FORGET. SO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING BEFORE FOR DONNA. CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT, AT, UH, FIVE 10. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU JANINE FOR THAT TOO. MM-HMM. . SO ONE SUGGESTION IS THAT MAYBE SEVERAL OF YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET TOGETHER WITH NATE AND DISCUSS, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT TOO, IS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT DO. SO WHAT WILL THE TRAINING LOOK LIKE? UM, THE RECOGNITION ASPECT. MM-HMM. , BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO DO IN A COMMISSION. MM-HMM. . YEAH, I THINK SO. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE. I MEAN, THE THING IS THAT WHAT IT DOES IS IT, IT, IT IN A WAY IT WASTES OUR TIME WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF. WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO DO THAT WITH THE CITY STAFF. WE CAN DO THAT OUTSIDE OF THESE MEETINGS AND THEN BRING WHATEVER ANSWERS TO THE MEETING. I THINK THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY BE TWO OF US, OR YOU KNOW, WITH NATE NOT GO, I WOULD RATHER NOT GO TO THE BORDERLINE OF THE FOUR OF US TOGETHER. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO THE BORDERLINE OF, OF BEING INAPPROPRIATE. WELL, YOU GUYS FIGURED OUT. BUT THAT WOULD BE ALSO IN, UM, IN TANDEM WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDING MM-HMM. ASPECTS OF THIS, WHICH ARE REALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, PAGE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PAGE TWO? YEAH, NO, THAT IS YOUR, THAT'S WHAT'S RELEVANT TO THE COMMISSION. YEAH. SO IT'S REPEATED ON THE FIRST PAGE UNDER PARTNERING MM-HMM. . SO, YEAH. BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY HAVE SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, IT PROBABLY LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT PROVIDE TRAINING TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. WELL, WHAT'S POINT B? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE GONNA TRAIN YOU OR ARE YOU GONNA TRAIN US? WELL, NO, I THINK, I THINK BASICALLY IT'S GONNA BE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS HAVING THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY GIVE US, GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROPERTIES. THAT'S, AND, AND SOME OF US HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT, WE KNOW, BUT NOT ALL OF US. AND I THINK IT, AND A REMINDER IS NEVER, UH, WELL, I THINK THAT'S VISITING ALL THE PROPERTIES. WELL, [01:00:01] THIS IS WHERE A COUPLE OF YOU OUTSIDE OF A COMMISSION MEETING, IF YOU COULD GET TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH IDEAS. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE RIGHT, HOW, HOW TO APPROACH THAT. I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE THE FIRST STEP IN THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING FOR THE LANDMARKS NEXT MONTH. SO, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT I THINK THERE, THERE, AND THIS CAN BE, THIS CAN GO INTO NEXT YEAR. THIS WILL, THIS IS PROBABLY, AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO TAKE EFFECT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PHYSICAL BUDGET FOR 2024. THIS ISN'T GONNA TAKE EFFECT UNTIL NEXT SUMMER. SO WE, BUT WE DO NEED TO KNOW FUTURE BUDGETING. BUT THIS AGREEMENT IS IN PLACE FOR THIS YEAR. THIS AGREEMENT IS IN PLACE FOR THIS YEAR TRAINING ONCE A YEAR. YEAH. SO THAT MEANS BEFORE JULY ONE. YEAH. WE HAVE TO DO THIS BEFORE JULY ONE. WE GOT IT. SO IS THERE ANY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE NEED TO, AND THE BUDGET BASICALLY, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE BUDGET AND YOU LOOKED AT WHAT YOU HANDED OUT HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS BUDGETED IN THE PAST YEARS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST CONTINUING THAT OR ADDING TO, TO THAT BUDGET? UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT SHEET I HAVE HERE , ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST LEAVING THIS AT THE UM, WELL WE DIDN'T USE ONE 5,850. NO, BECAUSE WE LOOKED BACK, ACTUALLY WE WENT FURTHER BACK 10 YEARS AND IT WAS PRETTY RARE THAT THE COMMISSION USED THEIR ENTIRE BUDGET. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO WE WERE GONNA CUT IT BACK TO ABOUT 4,200 OR SO, KNOWING THAT SOME OF THE FORMER TASKS OF ARE GONNA BE THE COMMISSION ARE NOW UNDER THE HISTORIC SOCIETY. SO, OKAY, SO THE BUDGET THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS 4,200 FOR NEXT, FOR NEXT, FOR THE 2024, UM, YEAR. IS THAT RIGHT? WE CAN LIVE IT. WELL, AND I THINK THAT ACTUALLY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AND WE, AND, AND, AND AS THE, AS WE FOUND OUT IN THE HISTORIC, UM, PRESERVATION CONFERENCE, THERE'S GONNA BE MONEY AVAILABLE TO US TOO FROM THE STATE TO DO OTHER THINGS TOO. SO WE'VE GOT THAT ON, WE'VE PROBABLY GOT THAT ON BOARD. THEY'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY. NOW THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO COUNT ON NOW. IT'S WHO'S, WHO'S GOING TO DO THE APPLICATION? UH, WELL THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO DO THE APPLICATION. LIKE WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T AS A COMMISSION DO IT, BUT WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TALK TO THE CITY DOING IT. AND, AND, AND WE DO. AND, AND BASICALLY THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, KATHY LEVIN USED TO DO IT FOR US ALL THE TIME, BUT, AND IT'S NOT A VERY SIMPLE ONE. THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE MONIES FOR DOING OUR, OUR SURVEY OR OUR, OUR, OUR LOOKING AT PROPERTIES FOR LANDMARKING. IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, UM, UH, WHAT I'M GETTING, SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO FORMAL SURVEYS MM-HMM. OKAY. NEXT YEAR. OKAY. THEN WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR GRANTS FOR TWO FORMAL SURVEYS. OKAY. RIGHT. WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO GET THE CITY INVOLVED? WE, WE ACTUALLY DON'T NEED THE GRANTS. WE DON'T NEED THE GRANTS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BUDGET. OKAY. SO THEN THAT'S FINE. SO WE DON'T, THAT TAKES IT OFF THE TABLE. OKAY, GOOD. WELL HOW DO WE DO SOME OF THIS WITHOUT CONSTANTLY LOOKING OVER OUR SHOULDER WITH THE OPEN MEETING LOG? UH, I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED CUZ LIKE THE, THE TRAINING, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, IS THAT GONNA BE ONE OF OUR MEETINGS? IT'S, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ONE OF OUR MEETING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE OF YOUR REGULAR MEETINGS THAT ANYTIME THERE'S A QUORUM OF FOUR OR MORE MM-HMM. , IT HAS TO BE WITH AN AGENDA AND IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO OBSERVE MM-HMM. . YEAH. SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN SCHEDULE 'EM TIME, BUT THEY ARE SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETING LAW ANYTIME. AND, AND, AND IN THAT OPEN MEETING LAW TOO, WE'RE GONNA NEED SOMEONE LIKE YOU AND TO TAKE THE NOTES AND, AND IS THAT NOT CORRECT TOO? YEAH. YEAH. SO WE WILL NEED A CITY STAFFER IF WE DO IT UNLESS WE DO IT AND DO IT IN SMALLER GROUPS AND IT ISN'T, UM, THOUGHT OF. SO THE TRAINING WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A QUO. WE WILL NOTICE IT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT TOO BIG OF A DEAL. UM, AND THEN IF THERE ARE EVENTS WHERE YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY MEETING BUT YOU'RE WORKING OR ATTENDING, VOLUNTEERING, UM, FOR A PUBLIC EVENT, THEN WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST DO A NOTICE AND WE SAY THERE MAY BE A QUORUM OF HPC A QUORUM EVENT NOTICE. YEAH. SO YEAH. YOU SO WE'VE GOT SOME LATITUDE. YEAH, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE LATITUDE. SO THAT'S OUR WORK PLAN. THEN NEXT YEAR WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA DO TWO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TRAINING MEETING MM-HMM. . AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA GO OUT AND SEE EVERY SINGLE UH, UH, BUILDING THAT'S BEEN DESIGNATED. THAT'S, THAT'S FOUR THINGS WE CAN DO. WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO DO ONE EVERY OTHER MONTH OR SOMETHING, BUT THE MINUTE PUT IT ON A CALENDAR, THEN [01:05:01] THEN YOU'RE GONNA DO IT. OR AT LEAST WE'RE GONNA PLAN ON DOING IT. SO LET'S JUST STICK IT ON A CALENDAR. YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AND LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE CALENDAR, YOU KNOW, I'M, AND UH, BUT I, YEAH. AND THEN SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE BASICALLY DOING THAT. YES. DONNA, ONE THOUGHT MIGHT BE THAT THE FIRST TIME YOU GO OUT TO LOOK AT ONE OF THE LANDMARKS, THAT WOULD POSSIBLY BE A TIME FOR A TRAINING SESSION. MM-HMM. TO HAVE AS PART OF IT. THERE'S SOCIETY THERE TO EDUCATE YOU ON WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND HOW TO DOCUMENT IT. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. WELL THAT WAS THE IDEA FOR THE, THAT'S ONE OF THE IDEAS FOR TRAINING. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHERE GOOD SOMEBODY NEEDS TO WORK WITH THE HISTORIC SOCIETY. OKAY. SO LET'S PICK A DATE FOR TRAINING AND THEN WE'LL WORK WITH THE MUSEUM AND THEN WE'LL JUST GO OUT AND START SEEING THESE PLACES AND THEN WE CAN ALL TALK AND GET CAUGHT UP WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THOSE BUILDINGS. SO THE SUGGESTION IS AT LEAST ONE OF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER YOURSELF NOW, OR WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH AN EMAIL AND DECIDE WHO WANTS TO, TO WORK ON THAT STAFF INITIATE TO NSTEAD THE STAFF. I'LL EMAIL, I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL AND SEE WHO WOULD LIKE TO, OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT? THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST. AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. NOW LET ME ASK YOU THIS THOUGH. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR BUDGET, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS US TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS. CAUSE THAT'S WITHIN OUR BUDGET TOO, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT, THAT WE'RE HAVING TO ACTUALLY COVER. UM, AND SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW UPPING THE ANTE AND HAVING MORE MEETINGS DURING THE YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THESE THINGS, UM, CUZ WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE NARROWING IT DOWN THE LEAST WE COULD HAVE IS FOUR AND STILL BE A CLG. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE DOING SIX AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, SIX UNDER OUR BELT DURING A YEAR. ARE WE, ARE WE WITHIN THIS BUDGET? ARE WE ALLOWING FOR THOSE SIX MEETINGS? OTHER WORDS IS STAFF TIME BEING CHARGE OF STAFF TIME? YOU KNOW, STAFF TIME BEING, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE MEETING IS. WELL, LET'S SAY WE HAVE THREE MORE MEETINGS AND WE PLANNED, WOULD WE BE OVER BUDGET? NO. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH. THE CRITERIA WAS THE PERCENT OF TIME SPENT BY STAFF. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY MEASUREMENT. OH, YOU WEREN'T, YOU WEREN'T MEASURING IT BY DOLLARS AGAINST WHAT? CAUSE I WAS THINKING WE WERE, YOU WERE MEASURING IT BY DOLLARS AGAINST WHAT WE WERE DOING. AND THAT'S WHAT'S SCARING ME. I DIDN'T WANT THAT. NO, WE'RE GOOD. NO, OKAY, YOU'RE FINE. HERE OR IN THE OTHER BUILDING BUDGET WISE. BUT THE REALITY IS THE CITY STAFF TIME. RIGHT. WHICH IS WHY I LIKE ENCOURAGING YOU GUYS TO DO SOMETHING WITHOUT DO THINGS BECAUSE I WON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT. YEAH. AND THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET, WE WEREN'T, THEY THAT'S, YOU WEREN'T PLUGGING THAT NUMBER IN TOO. THAT I HAD. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. I DON'T REMEMBER US DOING THAT IN THE, THE PAST, BUT I, I KNOW , WE, WE'VE UH, OKAY, SO WELL I THINK, UM, THE FUTURE MEETING, WE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT WE BROUGHT, WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING SECOND WEEK OF DECEMBER. DECEMBER 12TH. DECEMBER 12TH. UM, AND IT'S NOT LONGER CANCELED. SO IF, IF, IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY SEND AN EMAIL OUT, MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL GONNA BE ON BOARD FOR THAT. IT'S GONNA BE OFFSITE AND THAT IT'S GONNA BE OFFSITE AND I THINK WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO HAVE DONNA OR SOMEONE FROM THE CITY STAFF TO BE WITH US TO ACTUALLY RECORD WHAT WE'RE DOING. WON'T BE ME. WON'T, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO FOLLOW UP WITH, UM, I THINK HER NAME WAS ELLEN VETS. YEAH, I CAN, I CAN, I CAN, I CAN, I CAN TALK TO HER OR LYNN. LYNN I CAN TALK TO. YEAH. LYNN. MM-HMM. . I'LL TALK TO LYNN FOR THAT FOR SURE. SHE'S ALL ANXIOUS. I TALKED TO YOU THE OTHER DAY. YEAH, NO, THEY REALLY WANNA DO THIS. OKAY, SO NOW, UM, WHAT, WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH EVERYBODY AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY HAS SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY STAFF. OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BREAK THIS INTO A MAYBE TWO AND THREE, FIGURE IT OUT, UM, SOMEHOW THAT WAY, UM, AND NOT CROSS OVER. OKAY. SO THEN WE'LL GO ON TO, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING FOR US TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO I THINK WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT OBJECTION. I THINK WE CAN CLOSE THIS MEETING. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS CLOSING THIS MEETING AT 5 24? * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.