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          OKAY, THANK 
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YOU. 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
GOOD EVENING. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER OF THE CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          IT'S TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 15TH, 2022 AT FOUR 30. 
          IF YOU WOULD ALL RISE, PLEASE AND RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WITH US. 
          I PLEDGE OF ALLEGION TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO PUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          AND ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          CHAIR LEVI HERE. 
          VICE CHAIR SINI. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEEL HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER ZS HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER BRAUM HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER FURMAN PRESENT. 
          AND COMMISSIONER KY IS EXCUSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? UH, I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT, OF CHARLOTTE AND THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR CAME TOGETHER TO INTERVIEW CANDIDATES FOR THE THREE VA. 
          THE TWO, THE TWO VACANCIES ON THE THREE, THREE VACANCIES ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING CONVENTION AND WILL BE. 
          AND THEY MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL. 
          AND THOSE WILL, UM, BE CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL NEXT TUESDAY AT THEIR, UH, MEETING. 
          AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT SARAH AND MYSELF AND WILL HURST WERE RECOMMENDED FOR, UH, REAPPOINTMENT. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING IF WILL WAS IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT I DON'T THINK HE IS. 
          SO, SO CONGRATULATIONS TO SARAH. 
          REALLY HAPPY THAT YOU REAPPLIED AND YOU'LL BE RECOMMENDED AND CONTINUE TO SERVE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THIS MEANS THAT PETE'S LEAVING . 
          UH, SO THAT SIDE OF THE COIN. 
          AND I JUST WANNA EXPRESS MY SINCERE GRATITUDE, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THIS COMMISSION AND FOR THE THOUGHTFULNESS AND INTELLIGENCE THAT YOU BROUGHT TO YOUR DECISION MAKING AND TO HELP US ALL UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT'S PRESENTED TO US BY THE CITY. 
          AND I WISH YOU WELL AT COUNCIL AND PERSONALLY, I WILL REALLY MISS YOU SERVING HERE. 
          AND PERHAPS OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO ADD TO THOSE REMARKS AS WELL. 
          AND WE HAVE A CARD FOR YOU. 
          WE HAVE NO SASH, BUT WE HAVE BROWNIES. 
          , JUST SAY THANK YOU, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID ANYONE ELSE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT PETE'S DEPARTURE? IF I COULD JUST SAY I'M GONNA MISS ONE, ONE LESS FIGHTING LINE EYE ON THE COMMISSION. 
          SO WE'RE WITH SOME ALL THE LUCK IN THE WORLD. 
          YEAH, I JUST DON'T THINK I'M REALLY GONNA SAY GOODBYE TO YOU, . 
          WE'LL JUST SEE YOU IN A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT, CAPACIT, AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA TAKE ALL THE WISDOM FROM P AND Z AND APPLY IT AT COUNCIL. 
          SO I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. 
          THANKS PETE. 
          AND DITTO FOR ME. 
          WE'LL MISS YOU. 
          BUT GLAD TO SEE YOU IN ANOTHER CAPACITY. 
          AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL. 
          I'M SUPER, SUPER EXCITED FOR YOU. 
          I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ALL THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ON THE COUNCIL AND, UH, REALLY GONNA MISS YOU HERE, BUT SUPER EXCITED FOR WHAT'S NEXT. 
          I MAY CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF REMARKS. 
          ONE, UM, IN ALL THE YEARS THAT I WORKED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, MY ENGINEERING COMPANIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE ENGINEERING COMPANIES, THERE WAS ALWAYS A GREAT SAYING THAT I LOVED WAS WHENEVER ANYONE WAS LEAVING THE ENGINEERING GROUP AND GOING TO PROJECT MANAGEMENT OR SALES OR MARKETING OR COUNSEL. 
          THIS, THE PHRASE WAS ALWAYS, WELL, THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE NOW THE AVERAGE IQ OF BOTH GROUPS HAS JUST RISEN. 
          . 
          UH, I, UH, CHAIR I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE OF, OF WORKING WITH YOU AND ALL MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS PRESENT AND PAST. 
          UM, THIS IS REALLY, HAS BEEN QUITE A, A VERY FUNCTIONAL EXPERIENCE. 
          EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION, UH, THAT ALL THE MEMBERS CURRENT AND, AND PASS WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM. 
          THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES, READ ALL THE PACKET, ALL THE LETTERS. 
          IT'S REALLY AN HAS BEEN AMAZING EXPERIENCE FOR ME AND ONE THAT I'VE LEARNED QUITE A BIT. 
          AND, UH, I HOPE I'LL BE ABLE TO APPLY 
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MANY IF NOT ALL OF THOSE LESSONS ON CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR THE RELATIONSHIPS WE'VE HAD. 
          ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS UP HERE, STAFF? OKAY. 
          CLOSE 
          [3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES:]
THAT ITEM AND MOVE TO NUMBER THREE, APPROVE OF ALL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES FOR THE A OCTOBER 18TH, 2020 REGULAR MEETING AND B, OCTOBER 18TH, 2022 SITE VISIT. 
          IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS TO THESE MINUTES, I WILL, UM, THEY WILL BE ADOPTED AND I SEE NONE. 
          SO THEY ARE ADOPTED. 
          MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM. 
          THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO, TO ARS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H. 
          ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE. 
          AND I HAVE NO CARDS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, FILLED OUT FOR THIS ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          SO I WILL CLOSE THAT ITEM 
          [5. Update/discussion regarding the Community Plan Update. ]
AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UPDATE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. 
          AND CYNTHIA, LOVELY. 
          WE'LL TAKE THAT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS IS OUR MONTHLY UPDATE ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT IS COMING UP NEXT AND WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE HOLDING TWO PUBLIC LISTENING AND LEARNING SESSIONS, UM, IN DECEMBER. 
          AND WE HAVE SCHEDULED, UM, CIRCULATION WILL BE DECEMBER 7TH. 
          IT'LL BE FIVE TO 7:30 PM THESE ARE BOTH GOING TO BE VIRTUAL ZOOM WORKSHOPS. 
          AND BY THE END OF THE WEEK WE'LL BE SENDING OUT THE INVITATION AND UPDATE, UM, TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          UM, OUR EMAIL LIST, LARGE EMAIL LIST THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS GOING TO BE CIRCULATION. 
          A PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL BE, UM, DISCUSSING THE SEDONA IN MOTION PROGRAM PROJECTS. 
          UH, IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE PROJECT LIKE THEY WOULD WITH CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO HAVE A MORE OF A, A BIG PICTURE HOW IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER TYPE OF DISCUSSION. 
          AND SO THESE ARE LISTENING AND LEARNING AND WE WILL HAVE STAFF PRESENTING WHAT THEY ARE WORKING ON. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE PUBLIC CAN ASK QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, AS PART OF THAT VIRTUAL ZOOM MEETING, HAVE BREAKOUT ROOMS, VIRTUAL BREAKOUT ROOMS, UM, TO KIND OF DIVE INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL DISCUSSION. 
          UM, AND SO THAT SAME FORMAT WE'RE GOING TO USE FOR THE NEXT ONE, WHICH WAS ECONOMIC, UH, VITALITY. 
          AND THAT WILL INCLUDE MOLLY SPANGLER, OUR ECONOMIC DIRECTOR. 
          WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BRING IN, UM, SOME REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE. 
          STEVE AIRS FROM CAMP VERDE AND TOM BENNINGS WHO IS WITH VIVI RIO REGIONAL ECONOMIC . 
          ALWAYS FORGET THE ACRONYM. 
          . 
          UM, THE REGIONAL NONPROFIT ECONOMIC GROUP. 
          UM, AND SO AGAIN, SAME FORMAT, UM, A BIT OF PRESENTATION Q AND A BREAKOUT GROUPS COMING BACK FOR DISCUSSION. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEN RIGHT BEHIND THAT, IN JANUARY WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT TWO MORE VIRTUAL WORKSHOPS. 
          AND THEN WE WILL BE DOING, UM, LOOKS LIKE TWO IN PERSON, UH, COMMUNITY FORUMS. UM, AND THOSE WILL ALSO BE TOPIC SPECIFIC. 
          AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FIRST ONE BEING TOURISM MANAGEMENT BECAUSE THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE NUMBER ONE TOPIC THAT WE ARE HEARING FROM ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SECOND WORKSHOP WILL BE ON LAND USE, UM, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE ALL OF YOU IN ON THAT ONE. 
          UM, CUZ IT DIRECTLY RELATES TO WHAT P AND Z WHAT USUALLY COMES TO YOU GUYS. 
          SO, UM, SO THAT'S, WE'RE JUST BUSY WORKING ON THAT. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE ANY WORK GROUP MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. 
          UM, PRIMARILY BECAUSE STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANT ARE, ARE BUSY PREPARING, UM, FOR THESE WORKSHOPS, ALTHOUGH WE ARE IN COMMUNICATION 
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WITH THEM ON A, ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE ARE UP TO, JUST BUSY PREPARING FOR THOSE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. 
          CYNTHIA, I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS. 
          DID YOU SAY BOTH CIRCULATION AND ECONOMIC VITALITY ARE ON 12 SEVEN? OR WAS THAT HER SECOND DATE? SO, UM, THE SEVENTH WILL BE CIRCULATION, SEDONA MOTION AND THEN THE 14TH OF DECEMBER. 
          14TH. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THE ECONOMIC I DID MISS THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          CHARLOTTE, WOULD YOU REMIND ME OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FORUM AND A WORKSHOP? SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE AGENDA OF THE WORKSHOPS. 
          UM, WE THOUGHT WE, WELL, ONE THOUGHT IS TO USE THE TERM FORUM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE CALLING OUR SEPTEMBER 7TH. 
          I THINK MOST OF YOU WERE AT THAT COMMUNITY FORUM. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE A SIMILAR FORMAT, BUT MUCH MORE SPECIFIC, UM, TOPICS TO DISCUSS. 
          IT WILL PROBABLY BE MUCH LESS OF THE PRESENTATION PORTION AND, AND MORE INTERACTIVE. 
          AND A WORKSHOP IS, A WORKSHOP IS VERY SIMILAR. 
          I GUESS COMMUNITY FORUM IS JUST A LARGER VERSION OF THE WORKSHOP. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, UM, HOW HAS THE TURNOUT BEEN WHEN YOU'VE HAD THE VIRTUAL I I, DO YOU KEEP TRACK OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND WHEN YOU HAVE A VIRTUAL? THIS WILL BE THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'VE HAD OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          OKAY. 
          VIRTUALLY WILL, WILL YOU BE, I'M, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE VERSUS IN PERSON AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE GONNA KIND OF TRACK THAT? YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ONCE IT'S OVER, WE WILL POST, UM, THE MEETING TO OUR WEBSITE. 
          SO IF THE PUBLIC IS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND, THEY CAN AT LEAST WATCH THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT THE COMMISSION ON YOUR MAIL LIST YES. 
          TO NOT SO MUCH TO PARTICIPATE PERHAPS, BUT TO BE ABLE TO QUEUE UP THE ZOOM MEETING. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE'LL BE SENDING IT OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN AND ASKING ALL OF THEM TO SEND IT OUT AS WELL. 
          AND THEN YOU REGISTER, UM, WE HAVE AN ONLINE REGISTRATION FORM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL SEE YOU ON ZOOM ON THE SEVENTH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU, CYNTHIA. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANKS. 
          NEXT 
          [6A. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for a Development Review for the construction of an approximately 20,000 square foot spa facility in four buildings and associated site improvements at 95 Sombart Lane. The property is zoned Commercial (CO), is approximately 5.35 acres and is located northeast of the intersection of State Route 179 and Canyon Dr. Case Number: PZ21-00009 (DEV) Applicant: Erwin Architecture (William Erwin)]
ITEM UP IS NUMBER SIX, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES. 
          AND WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FOOT SPA FACILITY IN FOUR BUILDINGS AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT 95 SOM BART LANE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, COMMERCIAL IS APPROXIMATELY 5.35 ACRES AND IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND CANYON DRIVE. 
          THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 21 0 9 DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE APPLICANT IS IRWIN ARCHITECTURE, WILLIAM IRWIN. 
          AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, I JUST WANTED TO DESCRIBE THE PROCESS, UH, BY WHICH THE COMMISSION WILL REVIEW THIS AND TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UH, FIRST, UH, THE STAFF MEMBER, CARRIE MEYER, WILL DO AN OVERVIEW OF THIS, UM, PROJECT THE APPLICANT MAY CHOOSE OR NOT CHOOSE TO, UM, ALSO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THAT. 
          AFTER THAT, UM, TAKES PLACE, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT WE CAN HEAR FROM ANY OF YOU THAT WISH TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT. 
          AND AT THIS POINT, I JUST HAVE THREE CARDS, SO THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT JUST THREE OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN DOING SO. 
          IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, FILL OUT A CARD AND GIVE IT TO DONNA PUCKETT OVER THERE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. 
          YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND, UM, IT'S NOT A Q AND A, YOU JUST PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS TO US. 
          WE WILL TAKE THEM IN AND WE MAY WELL DISCUSS THEM AND, OR ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM EITHER THE APPLICANT OR STAFF. 
          AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND DECISION. 
          AND IS THE APPLICANT GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION? CARRIE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY HAVE A, YOU'LL HEAD US OFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, AS 
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THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR THE ARABELLA SPA PROJECT. 
          UM, THIS IS ALL OF THE SAME INFORMATION THE CHAIR JUST READ, BUT THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF A SPA FACILITY IN FOUR SEPARATE BUILDINGS ON JUST OVER FIVE ACRES. 
          UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS HAD PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS BACK IN 2003 AND 2008, WHICH ARE, UM, PROPOSED APARTMENTS, TIMESHARES AND, UH, CONDO, A MIXED USE CONDO, COMMERCIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. 
          ALL OF THOSE APPROVALS HAVE EXPIRED, SO THERE'S NOTHING IS ACTIVE ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, THIS PROJECT DID GO THROUGH A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW LAST FALL. 
          I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU WERE ON THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THEIR COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW DOCUMENTS IN THE SPRING AND HAVE JUST BEEN WORKING THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT THINGS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING, UM, COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE CODES SINCE THEN. 
          SO WHAT'S COMING TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? UM, THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPERTY IS HERE IN BLUE. 
          THIS IS THE ARABELLA HOTEL. 
          UM, SO IT IS ON A SEPARATE PROPERTY, BUT THEY, THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OTHER. 
          UM, HIGHWAY 1 79 IS SHOWN HERE. 
          THIS DOWN HERE IS THE CANYON DRIVE ROUNDABOUT. 
          THE SCHLEY, UM, HILL ROUNDABOUT IN SOAK PAK ARE JUST OFF THE MAP TO THE NORTH. 
          UH, FOR SOME CONTEXT THERE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT. 
          UM, THE SABAR LANE DOES GO THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, AND IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD, UM, WHERE IT TRAVERSES THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, THIS IS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UM, NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT, SO YOU NEED TO ROTATE IN IN YOUR MIND. 
          UM, BUT YOU SEE SOBAR LANE COMING IN HERE. 
          UM, THIS IS BUILDING ONE, WHICH IS THE LARGEST OF THE FOUR BUILDINGS, AND IT IS ON THE LOW PORTION OF THE SITE WITH THE OTHER THREE BUILDINGS, UM, GOING UP THE HILL AT DIFFERENT, UM, ELEVATIONS. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL GENERALLY, UH, I THINK BUILDINGS TWO AND FOUR ARE ONE STORY BUILDINGS. 
          AND BUILDING THREE, UM, THE WAY IT SITS ON THE HILLSIDE, IT DOES HAVE A TWO STORY COMPONENT ON THE LOW, LOW SIDE OF THE HILL, OH, SORRY, THIS IS ME. 
          USE ARROWS INSTEAD OF THE MOUSE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS THEY'VE PROVIDED OF BUILDING ONE. 
          UM, THOSE ONES IN THE MIDDLE ARE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE PARKING AREA. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM WOULD BE FROM THE, THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND WE DO HAVE SAMPLES OF ALL OF THE MATERIALS WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THE PHYSICAL SAMPLES, WE CAN GET THEM OUT AS WELL. 
          UM, THIS IS ELEVATION, THE ELEVATIONS OF BUILDING FOUR. 
          UM, I DID NOT INCLUDE BUILDINGS TWO AND THREE, BUT THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN DESIGN AND APPEARANCE TO THIS ONE. 
          AND, UM, AND HEIGHT AS WELL. 
          THEY'RE, UM, LOW ONE STORY. 
          THE BUILDING'S TWO, THREE AND FOUR ARE LOWER ONE STORY BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, YEAH, AND AGAIN, WE CAN, WE CAN PULL UP THE OTHER ONES IF WE NEED TO. 
          UM, SO STAFF'S REVIEW INCLUDED, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH ALL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING HEIGHT, DENSITY, SETBACKS, GRAINING AND DRAINAGE ACCESS, PARKING, LANDSCAPING SITE AND BUILDING DESIGN, OUTDOOR LIGHTING AND SIGNS AND IS OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. 
          UM, STAFF'S CONCLUSION WAS THAT ALL APPLICABLE CODE SECTIONS WERE MET THE EXCEPTION OF THE HEIGHT OF ONE OF THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS. 
          IT'S SHOWN AT FOUR FEET TALL. 
          THE CODE WOULD ALLOW THREE FEET TALL, BUT THE CODE ALSO DOES ALLOW FOR DEVIATIONS FROM THAT, UM, THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER SIGN PLAN, WHICH IS, UM, PROPOSED WITH THIS APPLICATION. 
          SO THAT CAN BE APPROVED, UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, OR IT COULD BE REDUCED TO THREE FEET, ONE OF ONE OF THE TWO. 
          UM, WE ALSO REVIEWED AND PROVIDED AN EVALUATION FOR THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION. 
          AND ALL OF THOSE ARE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT A ZONE CHANGE. 
          AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMUNITY PLAN CONSISTENCY, JUST THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS PROJECT THAT DIRECTLY VIOLATES THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          UM, THIS IS IN A PLANNED AREA IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH HAS SOME SPECIFIC GOALS FOR PROJECTS IN THIS AREA, INCLUDING, UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY BUFFERS TO NATIONAL FOREST. 
          UM, AND WE DO BELIEVE, UM, STAFF'S CONCLUSION WAS THAT THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE GOALS AND IT DOES NOT VIOLATE ANY, ANY OF THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          UM, I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT TWO OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED, UM, BY STAFF FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          ONE INVOLVES TRAFFIC, UM, TRAFFIC AND, UM, IS ALWAYS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION. 
          THIS PROJECT IS NOT ACTUALLY ON 89 A, BUT OBVIOUSLY SINCE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, CONNECTS TO 89 A AT AN INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, AT THE SOBAR LANE INTERSECTION. 
          ADO HAS BEEN ASKED TO REVIEW THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THEIR COMMENTS YET. 
          UM, THE, BECAUSE 
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THIS PROJECT IS NOT DIRECTLY ON 89 A, ANY KIND OF MITIGATION MEASURES OR ANYTHING AT SOM BART LANE THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED WOULD NOT IMPACT THEIR SITE PLAN. 
          AND SO THE CONDITION THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS THAT THEY HAVE TO GET THOSE COMMENTS FROM ADOT PRIOR TO GETTING THEIR BUILDING PERMITS AND THEN WORK WITH STAFF TO DETERMINE WHAT THE APPROPRIATE, UM, MITIGATION MEASURES, IF ANY, UM, TO BE IMPLEMENTED AT THAT SOBAR LANE INTERSECTION WOULD BE. 
          AND THEN THOSE WOULD BE PART OF THEIR FINAL BUILDING PLANS. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, SINCE THIS IS, THAT WOULD BE, SINCE THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, ONE LOT BACK FROM THE HIGHWAY, THE SITE PLAN, THE BUILDING DESIGN AND ALL THAT WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY ANY CHANGES AT THAT INTERSECTION. 
          UM, I ALSO DID WANNA PROVIDE A CLARIFICATION ON THE PARKING CONDITION THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING. 
          UM, AS YOU SEE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THEY ARE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION, UM, BASED ON THE ASSOCIATION OF THIS SPA WITH THE HOTEL, UM, WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT GUESTS MIGHT BE STAYING AT THE HOTEL AND GO OVER TO THE SPA SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PROVIDE TWO PARKING SPACES FOR THAT GUEST. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES. 
          AND SO NOT THAT THIS IS THEIR PLAN, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THAT POTENTIAL THAT SOMEHOW THAT RELATIONSHIP BREAKS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND SO WHEN, UM, THE CODE DOES RE OR REQUIRE THAT WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR A SHARED PARKING, UH, REDUCTION OR YOU'RE DOING SOME KIND THIS KIND OF ARRANGEMENT, THERE BE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT GETS RECORDED ON THE PROPERTY SO THAT FUTURE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD COME UP IN A DUE DILIGENCE IN A TITLE SEARCH. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO THE CITY IS A PARTY TO THAT PARKING AGREEMENT SO THAT ANY CHANGES TO THE PARKING AGREEMENT IN THE FUTURE WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY. 
          SO THEY COULDN'T GET A PARKING AGREEMENT APPROVED, RECORD IT, AND THEN COME BACK LATER AND THEN WITHOUT LETTING US KNOW, MAKE SOME KIND OF CHANGE THAT WOULD BREAK THAT RELATIONSHIP. 
          AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH PARKING. 
          UM, SO ALL OF THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          SO THE CONDITION THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING JUST REFERENCES THAT SECTION OF THE CODE INSTEAD OF RE OUTLINING ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, BUT I, THAT QUESTION DID COME UP OF WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          UM, SO IF THOSE TWO CONDITIONS ARE ADOPTED AS RECOMMENDED, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR GOING FORWARD AND STAFF ALONG WITH, UM, OUR ENGINEERING STAFF WOULD BE ENSURING THAT THEY MET THOSE CONDITIONS BEFORE THEY GOT BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, SO WITH, UM, JUST LIKE EVERY PROJECT, THIS DID GO THROUGH THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PROCESS. 
          THE APPLICANT COMPLETED THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE BEEN NOTICED, UM, AND ALL OF THE REQUIRED LOCATIONS AND ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, ALL THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION. 
          AS STATED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, I DID WANT TO, UM, REEMPHASIZE THAT THOSE COMMENTS THAT YOU RECEIVED WERE ALL RECEIVED DURING THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW OF THE PROJECT LAST FALL. 
          UM, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY NEW PUBLIC COMMENTS DURING THIS STAGE, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE PROVIDED AND I'M SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO, UM, SUBMITTED THOSE COMMENTS PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME. 
          THEY MAY NOT HAVE NO, WANTED TO SUBMIT THEM AGAIN, BUT THEIR COMMENTS WOULD BE SIMILAR. 
          UM, SO BASED ON ALL OF THIS, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION. 
          UM, AND WERE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS, BUT THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU, CARRIE. 
          UH, WOULD THE COMMISSION LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT NEXT, OR, UH, ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF NOW? GO AHEAD WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IS THAT MR. I? YES. 
          IT'S, IF YOU'LL JUST TAKE A SEAT NEAR CARRIE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME, THE COMPUTER CITY RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD. 
          OKAY. 
          WILLIAM IRWIN, 59 11 WEST PARK AVENUE, CHANDLER, ARIZONA. 
          SO JUST USE, OKAY. 
          HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION, UM, SORT OF RESPONDING TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, ALSO TO SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORS. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY JUST SORT OF SHARE, I THINK, WHAT IS ADDITIONAL GOOD INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE, UM, AS YOU SORT OF CONSIDER YOUR DECISION. 
          UM, SO I'LL KIND OF FLIP THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. 
          THIS, THIS SORT OF SHOWS OUR INITIAL CONCEPTUAL SORT OF IDEAS AND INSPIRATION PROJECTS AND IMAGES AS WE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP THE DESIGN. 
          UM, HERE'S A SITE PLAN, SORT OF, UM, A MORE COLORED ILLUSTRATION. 
          I MEAN, MOST OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN THIS IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE. 
          UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE FOUR BUILDINGS, THE LARGEST BEING, UH, AT THE KIND OF BOTTOM OF THE HILL, UM, PURPOSELY CITED THERE. 
          AGAIN, WE KIND OF DESCRIBED ALL THIS IN THE CONCEPTUAL VIEW, NOT MUCH AS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT JUST TO SORT OF REEMPHASIZE, 
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WE CITED THE LARGEST BUILDING KIND OF TOWARDS THE BOTTOM AWAY FROM NEIGHBORS AND SORT OF AWAY FROM KIND OF MOST VIEW ANGLES. 
          UM, HERE'S SORT OF A 3D BIRD'S EYE VIEW, UM, SHOWING THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THE POOLS AND, AND THE PAVILION SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET A GOOD IDEA OF SCALE. 
          UM, HERE'S A VIEW OF THE, THE SORT OF LARGEST BUILDING, ONE OF THE SMALLER PAVILIONS, BUILDING TWO. 
          HERE'S BUILDING THREE, THE TWO STORY BUILDING THAT CARRIE MENTIONED. 
          AND HERE'S BUILDING FOUR, THE ONE LOCATED AT THE TOP OF THE HILL. 
          UM, THE POOL IS ORIENTED TOWARDS SORT OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER, AGAIN, AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, AND ALSO FOCUSING ON THE VIEWS, THE SPECIFIC VIEWS. 
          HERE'S KIND OF A, A VIEW FROM THAT, THAT POOL CONCEPTUAL RENDER. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THERE ARE ALSO SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT AN NORDIC SPA AND WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT IT MEANS. 
          THIS IS, UH, A SLIDE THAT JUST SORT OF SHOWS YOU, I MEAN, THE IDEA IS A CYCLE FROM HOT, COLD AND REST. 
          AND YOU WOULD SORT OF MOVE BETWEEN THESE, THESE, THESE, UH, EXPERIENCES. 
          UM, SO THE SPA WILL HAVE BOTH KIND OF HOT, YOU KNOW, SAUNA, UM, COLD PLUNGES AND THEN RELAXATION ROOM. 
          SO THAT'S THE IDEAS YOU WOULD AGAIN, SORT OF CYCLE BETWEEN THESE ITEMS, THESE EXPERIENCES. 
          UM, THESE ARE ALL, THESE ARE, UH, IMAGES AND EXAMPLES OF NORDIC SPA PROJECTS, UM, AND OTHER LOCATIONS. 
          UM, GIVES YOU A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, KIND OF HOW THE PROJECT MIGHT FEEL. 
          ARE THOSE YOUR PROJECTS? THESE ARE LAME MAAT. 
          SO I'M PARTNERING WITH LAME MAHA AND THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT, THEY'RE A CANADIAN FIRM THAT'S, THAT'S DONE A NUMBER OF AWARD-WINNING, UM, NORDIC SPAS. 
          AND SO IT'S, I THINK, A GREAT TEAM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE LOCAL IN, IN PHOENIX AND I'VE DONE PROJECTS IN SEDONA, A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN SEDONA. 
          SO I THINK I SORT OF KNOW ARIZONA ARCHITECTURE AND THEY SORT OF KNOW NORDIC SPA ARCHITECTURE. 
          SO IT'S A GOOD, UH, COMBINED TEAM EFFORT ON THIS. 
          SO THIS IMAGE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS FROM NEIGHBORS ABOUT, UM, WHAT THEY'LL SEE IN THEIR VIEWS AND LANDSCAPING. 
          THIS IMAGE IS SHOWING. 
          I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ UP HERE, BUT WE'RE ADDING QUITE A BIT OF VEGETATION SPECIFICALLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE MOUSE, CAN I TOUCH THE MOUSE POINT OR NO? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SPECIFICALLY HERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME NEIGHBORS RIGHT IN THIS AREA. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING VEGETATION SPECIFICALLY TO SORT OF BUFFER THOSE VIEWS. 
          YOU KNOW, I, AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND, SOME OTHER KIND OF CONCEPTUAL RENDERS ILLUSTRATING WHAT YOU WILL SEE FROM THEIR LOCATION. 
          BUT WHEN THIS VEGETATION IS ADDED, AND YOU CAN SEE ALSO ALL ALONG THE PERIMETER HERE, I I, I'VE MET WITH A FEW NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA HERE AND, AND THEY HAVE A DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT, KIND OF TOP HILL. 
          YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ADDED VEGETATION EVEN UP HERE, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, IT, IT SHOULD BE PRETTY WELL SCREENED. 
          UM, SO HERE YOU CAN SEE WE DID SOME, SOME VIEWS FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS ALSO SORT OF ASKED IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, CONCEPTUAL MEETING IF WE COULD STUDY THAT. 
          SO HERE'S VIEW ONE. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT VIEW ONE IS FROM THIS RESIDENCE HERE, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S APPROX, BUT IT'S A GOOD APPROXIMATION. 
          YOU CAN SEE, YOU REALLY DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE LOT OF THE, YOU, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO SEE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY WELL SCREENED. 
          THERE'S A GOOD DEAL OF PRIVACY MAINTAINED. 
          UM, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT I THINK, BOTH TO NEIGHBORS AND TO US. 
          YOU KNOW, THE OPERATOR. 
          IS THAT EXISTING OR PLANNED VEGETATION? UM, IN THE RENDER, IT'S, IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH EXISTING AND PLANNED. 
          SO WE'VE, THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING AND SAVING, BUT WE'RE ALSO SUPPLEMENTING. 
          SO, UM, THEN LET'S SHOW YOU VIEW TWO, WHICH WOULD BE KINDA FROM THE TOP OF THE HILL. 
          THIS ONE ACTUALLY OMITTED, WE DIDN'T PUT ALL THE VEGETATION THAT'S SHOWN RIGHT HERE, CUZ YOU JUST, IT JUST BLOCKS THE, YOU CAN'T SEE AT ALL WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST SEE A TREE IN THIS VIEW. 
          BUT THIS GIVES YOU A SENSE OF IT. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN STILL SEE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPEDING THEIR VIEWS, THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN HERE'S THE LAST VIEW. 
          THIS VIEW IS VIEW THREE FROM THIS RESIDENCE. 
          AND SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE BACKSIDE OF THIS RESIDENCE HERE IN THE IMAGE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT TRUE TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXISTS THERE TODAY. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE YOU REALLY DON'T SEE MUCH OF ALL MUCH AT ALL OF ANY OF THE, OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE ONLY 12 TO 14 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          SO MATURE TREES AND VEGETATION WILL, WILL OBSCURE A LOT OF IT. 
          UM, SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT, WHAT YOU'LL SEE. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND IT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO US AS WELL THAT WE CAN, WE CONSIDER THAT IN THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AND WE HIRED A, A COMPANY CALLED GREEN IDEAS TO DO SOME ANALYSIS ON THE FRONT END STAGES OF THE DESIGN PROCESS. 
          AND THEY'RE ALSO WORKING WITH US AS WE CONTINUE INTO THE CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PHASE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF, I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAIL ON ALL THESE SLIDES, BUT IT'S SHOWING THE ANALYSIS THEY DID, UM, INCLUDING SORT OF 
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INCIDENT SOLAR RADIATION, THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          UM, WE, THIS IS A STUDY HERE WE DID TO SAY, OKAY, IF WE ADDED ONE INCH OF RIGID EXTERIOR INSULATION ON THE WALL, IF WE PUT IT ON THE SLAB, HOW WOULD THAT BENEFIT THE PROJECT? AND SO WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS AND TWEAKS TO DESIGN BASED ON THIS FEEDBACK. 
          UM, SO JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO BE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ONGOING. 
          I KNOW THAT WAS A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO US. 
          UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS THE PRELIMINARY ENERGY USE RELATIVE TO A BASELINE. 
          SO WE ARE, YOU KNOW, 20% OVER A BASELINE. 
          AGAIN, WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THIS AS WE DEVELOP THE PROJECT IN CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PHASE, BUT THE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES WERE 20% BELOW A BASELINE. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? YEAH, SO THIS IS A GRAPH KINDA SHOWING AN AVERAGE FOR HOTEL POOL RECREATION ENERGY USE. 
          AND THIS IS KIND OF SHOWING WHERE THE SPA, UM, WOULD BE RELATIVE TO THAT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE ARE LOWER THAN THE AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE ANALYSIS THAT GREEN IDEAS DID. 
          SO, UM, WHAT GOES INTO THAT CHART? INTO THIS CHART? WELL, SO WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL TAKE, UM, AGAIN, SORT OF DATA THAT'S, UM, UM, PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DATA FROM OTHER OP YOU KNOW, OPERATING HOTELS, POOLS, BALL RECREATIONS. 
          AND, AND WHAT THEY'LL DO IS, SO THEY TAKE ALL OF OUR LIGHTING PROJECTED LOADS FOR THE EQUIPMENT, THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTING AND THE ENVELOPE AS WELL. 
          SO THEY TAKE ALL THE SORT OF, UH, I GUESS I WOULD SAY LIKE FACTORS THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO ENERGY USE AND OR, YOU KNOW, UM, SAVINGS. 
          AND THEY BUILD A MODEL, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S HOW THEY SORT OF BUILD THIS PROJECTION. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, LIKE, UM, RIGHT HERE YOU SEE PLUG LOADS, LIGHTING, HEATING, HOT WATER, COOLING PUMPS. 
          SO THEY MAKE ESTIMATES ABOUT THAT BASED ON WHAT OUR ENGINEERS SAY THEY PROJECT THE EQUIPMENT TO BE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO WE SELECTED PRELIMINARILY ALL THAT STUFF. 
          THEY RAN AN ANALYSIS, THAT'S WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH. 
          AND THEN WE'LL REFINE IT, WE'LL SELECT FINAL EQUIPMENT AS WE MOVE FURTHER. 
          SO THE LAST SLIDE HERE I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW EVERY, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION WAS, WAS INTERESTED IN AS WELL AS NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS WATER USE. 
          AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS SORT OF DID A, UM, A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S OUR AVERAGE DAILY USE. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS BASED ON TALK. 
          WE HAVE A, A POOL CONSULTANT WHO TELLS US, OKAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, AND ALSO, UH, HEALTH CODE THAT DICTATES HOW OFTEN YOU WILL, UM, CYCLE THE POOL OF WATER AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER DOING ANALYSIS BASED ON THAT DATA AND BASED ON WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT DEMANDS OF A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE BASED ON THE FIXTURE COUNT AND ALL THAT. 
          AND THEY COME UP WITH A AVERAGE SORT OF DAILY, UH, GALLONS PER DAY DAY USE, 13,500. 
          NOW ON DAYS THAT WE DO A POOL BACKWASH THAT BUMPS, BUT YOU DON'T DO A POOL BACKWASH EVERY DAY. 
          HOLD ON, YOU'RE SPEAKING TOO QUICKLY FOR ME. 
          YEAH, SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT FIGURE OF? 13,005. 
          13,500 GALLONS PER DAY. 
          I'M SORRY, GALLONS PER DAY. 
          THAT'S YOUR AVERAGE, CORRECT. 
          AVERAGE GALLONS PER DAY AND THEN ON A DATE. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE, UM, EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING YOU AGAIN. 
          SURE, NO PROBLEM. 
          WE CANNOT READ THAT. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE COPIES FOR THE COMMISSION TO SEE TONIGHT? UH, I DON'T, SORRY. 
          I, UM, WE COULD PROVIDE YOU COPIES THOUGH. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL NEED THOSE IN OUR DELIBERATION. 
          YES. 
          CAUSE WE CAN'T READ THIS DATE. 
          IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WAS IN THE PACKET? DID YOU HAVE THAT? I DON'T THINK HE HAD, THIS WASN'T IN THE PACKET. 
          I JUST, FOR SOME REASON I ASSUMED YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO SEE THIS PRESENTATION BEFOREHAND, BUT IF NOT, THEN NO, WE CAN GET THEM PRINTED OUT. 
          I MEAN, I HAVE A HARD, I HAVE ONE HARD COPY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE WILL NEED THOSE THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE, THERE WAS A WATER ANALYSIS. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT, BUT THIS, THIS IS AN ADDITION, BUT THE NUMBER WAS SLIGHTLY LOWER. 
          IT WAS 10,000 GALLONS PER DAY VERSUS 13,000 THOUSAND. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE OVERESTIMATED ON THIS PURPOSELY BECAUSE, SO I, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WITH THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND KIND OF WHAT'S REQUIRED TYPICALLY FOR THE SUBMITTAL. 
          THIS IS JUST TO ADDRESS EVERYONE'S CONCERNS THAT, WELL IS THIS, YOU KNOW, ARE USING MORE WATER THAN YOU SHOULD BE OR MORE THAN WHAT ELSE COULD GO THERE. 
          AND SO THE OTHER TWO CHARTS ARE SHOWING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A SHOPPING CENTER, FOR EXAMPLE, OR OFFICE SPACE OR AN ADDITIONAL USE THAT'S ALLOWED IN A CO ZONE, AND WE WERE TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, SO THE BUILDING COVERAGE ALLOWED PER CODE IS 60%, OUR PROJECT ONLY USES 30%. 
          NOW, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT REALLY RELATED TO WATER USE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACTOR I THINK RELATED TO THIS PROJECT OF WHY I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A REALLY, IT'S A, I I THINK A GOOD PROJECT BECAUSE THE LOT COVERAGE IS SO LOW RELATIVE TO WHAT COULD BE BUILT THERE. 
          BUT WE JUST SAID, OKAY, LET'S ASSUME YOU'RE BUILDING A SHOPPING CENTER AND OFFICE SPACE, MAXIMUM COVERAGE OF 60%. 
          WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THAT SOME AMOUNT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA USE THEM. 
          YOU KNOW, LET'S PRETEND THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE THE FULL LOT COVERAGE. 
          LET'S PRETEND WE REDUCE THAT BY, YOU KNOW, UH, 20%, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID THERE, ADDITIONAL 20% REDUCTION FOR BUILDABLE SPACE. 
          SO WE, WE SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE BUILDING UP A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OFFICE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING, HERE'S THE GALLONS PER DAY USE OF THAT PROJECT. 
          AND IT WOULD BE, AS YOU CAN SEE, 20,000 OR 19,000. 
          IT'S MORE THAN THE 13,500. 
          AGAIN, WE OVERESTIMATED ON OURS TOO, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SORT OF DO 
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THIS AS A WORST CASE SCENARIO, I GUESS, IN OUR, IN OUR CASE. 
          AND THE POINT IS, SO EVEN IF YOU WERE TO REDUCE, LET'S REDUCE FURTHER, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE USE, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE, WE'RE, IT'S A PRETTY DECENT SPREAD BETWEEN OUR PROJECTS WATER USE AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE IN THE ZONING, UH, IN THE ZONING, UH, DESIGNATION. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S THE REALLY INTENT OF THIS CHART. 
          AND AGAIN, I I HAVE ONE COPY, WE CAN GET YOU COPIES OF IT, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THE SPECIFIC NUMBER AS MUCH AS THE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF THE SPA PROJECT RELATIVE TO OTHER USES IN THIS AREA, WHICH WOULD USE MORE WATER AND STILL WOULD BE PERMITTED PER THE ZONING CODE. 
          SO, UM, I, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER WHAT I CAN. 
          UM, BUT, UM, TO ME, I THINK THIS WAS, IT'S REALLY POSITIVE. 
          I MEAN, IN ADDITION, IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, UM, WE ARE GONNA BE COVERING THE POOLS AT NIGHT, WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO MAKE SURE, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH HEAT LOSS OR WATER LOSS, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MINIMIZE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT JUST RELATIVE TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, IT'S, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY USING MORE WATER, YOU KNOW, THAN, THAN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT COULD GO THERE. 
          UM, AND THAT NUMBER PERTAINS TO SHOWER, TOILETS, RESTAURANT RETAIL, AND ALL OF THE HOT AND COLD POOLS, CORRECT? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION, WHICH I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE ABOUT, WAS JUST SORT OF FOLLOWING UP ON KIND OF THE NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBOR SORT OF DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, I DID FOLLOW UP, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY CALL EVERYONE WHO ATTENDED THE INITIAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND SOME OF THE FOLKS, UM, I DID SPEAK WITH. 
          UM, AND GENERALLY I THINK THE, THE FEEDBACK WAS POSITIVE, BUT IT, IT IS IMPORTANT, AND YOU'LL NOTICE A DIFFERENCE FROM THIS SUBMITTAL, UH, THIS SUBMITTAL FROM THE PREVIOUS IN THAT WE REMOVED, IF YOU REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL, WE HAD SOME KIND OF HOTEL UNITS PLANNED, WHICH ARE PERMISSIBLE ALSO BY RIGHT. 
          BUT, UM, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SOMEWHAT CONTENTIOUS WITH NEIGHBORS AND CONCERNS ABOUT IT. 
          WE ACTUALLY REMOVED THAT FROM THE PROJECT. 
          UM, WE MADE A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL SORT OF, UM, I THINK DESIGN MOVES RELATED TO THAT AND JUST CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UM, SO I, I DO THINK WE MADE AN EFFORT THERE. 
          UM, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE SEVEN UNITS? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS SIX ACTUALLY IS WHAT IT WAS SIX THAT WE'RE ORIGINALLY PROPOSING. 
          BUT, UM, AND I, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT IT REALLY. 
          THANK YOU MR. IRWIN. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU'LL REMAIN AT THE TABLE. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST WITH QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? GEORGE, THEY'LL START US OFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          THANKS FOR THE UPDATE FROM WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR. 
          UM, NOT TO BEAT ON WATER, BUT THAT'S THE DRUM I BEAT. 
          UH, SO 10,000 GALLONS PER DAY, OR 13,000 GALLONS PER DAY EQUIVALENT TO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS WHAT YOUR ESTIMATES ARE. 
          50, 60, 70 HOMES, UH, USING WATER, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OTHER MEETINGS, OTHER, OTHER PROJECTS HERE, UH, ARIZONA WATER HAS COME TO US AND HAS INDICATED, UH, UH, SOME SIGNIFICANT TO MAYBE SEVERE ISSUES ON THE EAST SIDE OF SEDONA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, THAT WAS THEIR BASIS FOR PUTTING A WATER STORAGE TANK, UH, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH THAN YOU ON 1 1 79. 
          WELL, THAT'S BEEN HUNG UP IN THE COURT SYSTEMS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER SEE THAT COME THROUGH. 
          SO TO ME, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S 50 OR 60 HOMES OR, UH, A FACILITY LIKE YOURS, IT'S WATER THAT I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S COMING FROM DURING PEAK DEMANDS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT, BUT IT'S A SERIOUS CONCERN OF MINE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE DROP OF WATER THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          SO, OH, UH, MAINLY A COMMENT THAT DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE A RESPONSE. 
          UH, LET'S SEE, ANY OTHER DETAILS IN THAT? UH, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I SEE, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN RESPOND TO IT, BUT, UH, I REVIEWED THE, THE VERY INTERESTING, I, I REALLY FEEL IT WAS INTERESTING. 
          UH, POTABLE WATER, SEWER REPORTS, DRAINAGE REPORTS, UH, SOILS REPORT, TOPOGRAPHY REPORTS. 
          UH, I HAD A GREAT AFTERNOON REVIEWING THOSE. 
          IT WAS REALLY A LOT OF FUN. 
          UH, SERIOUSLY, UH, WE RELY ON GEORGE TO READ THOSE CAREFULLY. 
          UH, I SAW WHAT, WHAT WAS TITLED AS A 
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TRAFFIC STATEMENT, NOT A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS OR IF THAT IS THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT, THAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE PROJECT. 
          THERE WOULD NOT BE A FURTHER TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WHERE, AS I STATED EARLIER, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON COMMENTS FROM ADOT AND HANUKAH CAN WEIGH IN, UH, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THEIR PROJECTED NUMBERS ONLY REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STATEMENT RATHER THAN A ENTIRE ANALYSIS, ALTHOUGH THEY DID PROVIDE LEVEL OF SERVICE DATA. 
          UM, AND AS A CONDITION OF MY APPROVAL, I DID ALSO REQUEST A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, LITTLE MORE CONSIDERATION INTO, UM, THE 1 79 INTERSECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THOSE TWO TERMS ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE, CORRECT? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YOU HAVE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND LEVEL OF SERVICE GOES FROM LEVEL OF SERVICE, C I BELIEVE, TO LEVEL OF SERVICE D PROJECT THAT WAS ON ONE OF THE, THAT'S ON THE WESTBOUND. 
          SO EXITING MOVEMENT OUT OF SAMBAR ONTO 1 79, THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT FELL THE D. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I GUESS I, I WAS ALSO LOOKING AT THE, AND I HOPE I'M NOT COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES, BUT YOUR TRAFFIC COUNT ON 11 2 20 21 WAS 776 VEHICLES, UH, EN SOMBER. 
          AND, UH, WITH YOUR ANALYSIS WITH THIS PROJECT, IT'S 1,406 UNITS OR 1,406, UH, VEHICLES EN SOMBER. 
          SO TO ME THAT KINDA LOOKS LIKE A DOUBLING OF CARS. 
          AND AGAIN, MAYBE I'M TOO FAR OUT OF MY EXPERTISE ANYHOW, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OBVIOUSLY MORE TRAFFIC THAN THERE IS RIGHT NOW AND LEVEL OF SERVICE D UM, ANY HOLIDAY WEEKEND, UH, GOING NORTHBOUND ON 1 79, UH, TRAFFIC WILL BE SITTING STILL BECAUSE I'VE BEEN, AND THAT TRAFFIC IS, WE ALL HAVE BEEN IN THAT TRAFFIC BEFORE, SO IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S MUCH WORSE THAN THE NUMBERS. 
          PAINT THE PICTURE BECAUSE TRAFFIC WILL BE STOPPED ON SAMBAR AND IT WILL NOT BE TURNING BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DO NOT LET CARS, UH, CUT IN FRONT OF THEM WHEN THEY'RE SITTING IN TRAFFIC FOR 45 MINUTES. 
          AGAIN, NO REAL RESPONSE REQUIRED. 
          CAN I, IF I COULD MAKE ONE COMMENT JUST TO THAT? SURE, SURE. 
          SO, UM, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS IS KIMLEY HORN, THE PRESCOTT OFFICE, AND THEY DO A LOT OF WORK WITH CITY OF SEDONA. 
          I MEAN, SO I THINK I RELY A LOT ON THOSE GUYS TO KIND OF SURE. 
          YOU KNOW SURE. 
          ARCHITECT KNOW A LOT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW. 
          THEY'RE GOOD GUYS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DEFER TO THEM ON SOME OF IT. 
          AND ONE THING SPECIFICALLY HE DIDN'T WANT ME TO POINT OUT, I WISH HE COULD HAVE ATTENDED TONIGHT, BUT HE COULDN'T, IS THAT THE ONLY, IT'S NOT THE INTERSECTION THAT'S GOING FROM A COD, IT'S JUST THE WESTBOUND, SOMBER LANE APPROACH. 
          SO, AND HE SAYS IT'S ONLY GOING FROM 19 TO 27 SECONDS DELAY. 
          NOW THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO. 
          I MEAN, TRAFFIC DOES BACK UP IN THAT LANE, AND SO THERE'S MORE THAN JUST, I MEAN, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE DATA'S, I MEAN, THE DATA'S TELLING US ONE THING, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE IS TRAFFIC THERE. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, THERE'S NO QUESTION ANY DEVELOPMENT POTENTIALLY ADDS SOME TRAFFIC. 
          UM, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SORT OF RELY ON THEIR STUDY AND, AND THEIR EXPERTISE JUST BECAUSE THEY DO THIS A LOT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE A GOOD GROUP AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME IS, AGAIN, IT'S JUST A LEFT BOUND APPROACH ONLY. 
          AND, AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING, YOU KNOW, A FEW SECOND INCREASE IN, IN QUEUING. 
          AND SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, I, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO ADD TO THAT THING. 
          SURE. 
          AND, AND I'M PRIMARILY THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE, CURRENT RESIDENTS WHO LIVE ON SANDBAR WHO ARE TRYING TO, UH, GET THROUGH ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AND, YOU KNOW, NINE OR TEN SECOND, UH, TRAFFIC DELAY. 
          IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT IT'S PILING ON. 
          UM, ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS, AND IT RELATES TO WATER, IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC, IT RELATES TO ALL OF THE IMPACTS, UH, THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE, IS I REALLY DON'T HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MANY, MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE USING THE FACILITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHETHER IT'S A SPA OR THE RESTAURANT. 
          UM, I SEE THAT THERE ARE OVER 200 LADIES, WOMEN'S LOCKERS YEP. 
          IN THE SPA AND 150 OR 160 MEN'S SLACKERS. 
          SO TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SIZEABLE NUMBER OF PEOPLE VISITING THE SPA. 
          YEAH. 
          IS IT, IS IT ONLY A SPA OR IS IT AN EXERCISE FACILITY ALSO? JUST 
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A SPA? JUST A SPA. 
          AND THEN THE, THE RESTAURANT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPONENT OF COURSE ON BUILDING ONE, BUT THAT'S IT. 
          SO, OH, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE SO MANY LOCKERS? I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE 200 PEOPLE USING THIS. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF, UM, TAILORED, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY BASED ON OPERATIONS AND, UM, AND LAME MAHAD, THE COMPANY THAT, YOU KNOW, OUTTA CANADA WE'RE WORKING WITH WHO'S DONE A NUMBER OF THESE, THEY KIND OF KNOW, UM, DEMAND BASED ON SIZE OF THE SPA. 
          AND SO THAT'S SORT OF HOW WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO DECIDING HOW MANY LOCKERS TO PUT IN THE SPOT. 
          LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. 
          IT'S PREFERRED TO OVERESTIMATE SO YOU DON'T UNDER SERVE POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS. 
          SO I MEAN, THAT COMES INTO PLAY, YOU KNOW, AND SO I DON'T NECESSARILY ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE EVERY LOCKER FILLED UP, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENTLY ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY. 
          UM, BUT THEY WANNA MAKE SURE TO HAVE CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, IN CASE THERE IS A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WANT TO USE IT, USE THE SPA. 
          UM, CAN I PIGGYBACK ON THAT QUESTION? YES, SURE. 
          IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING DAY PASSES FOR THE PUBLIC? UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN DECIDED YET. 
          DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE DAY PASSES? MY NAME'S BILL MENTION. 
          COME UP TO THE, UH, MICROPHONE. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. 
          CITY OF RESIDENCE. 
          YEP. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          OH, MY NAME'S BILL MECH. 
          I'M THE ASSET MANAGER FOR THE OWNERS. 
          I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. 
          UM, I THINK DAY PASS IS A BIT OF A MISNOMER, AND THERE MIGHT NOT BE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE SPA EXPERIENCE IS. 
          IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF SPA WHERE YOU'RE COMING IN FOR A MASSAGE. 
          IT'S THE TYPE OF SPA WHERE YOU'RE COMING IN AND YOU BASICALLY SPEND SEVERAL HOURS THERE RELAXING, DOING THESE CYCLES. 
          YOU MIGHT GET A BITE EAT AT THE RESTAURANT. 
          UM, SO THERE, THERE'S NOT CONSTANT TURNOVER OF YOU COME IN FOR A 60 MINUTE MASSAGE AND THEN YOU, YOU, UH, DEPART. 
          SO BASICALLY EVERYBODY WHO'S NOT A HOTEL GUEST WOULD BE A, A DAY PASS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU PAY ENTRY TO COME INTO THE SPAWN, EXPERIENCE IT, UM, UH, UNLESS YOU ARE A MEMBER OR UNLESS YOU'RE AT THE ADJACENT HOTEL. 
          AND WE MIGHT HAVE PACKAGES FOR HOTEL GUESTS TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO COME UP AND THEREBY REDUCE OUTSIDE GUESTS. 
          BUT, UM, ESSENTIALLY EVERYBODY IS A DAY PASS. 
          IT'S AN ENTRANCE BASED BUSINESS MODEL AND EXPERIENCE. 
          SO SIMILAR TO THE MI YAMO EXPERIENCE IN SOME WAYS, UM, YES. 
          SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT OVERALL, UM, I BELIEVE, I KNOW THEY JUST, UH, ANNOUNCED THEIR REOPENING, BUT I THINK THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT HOTEL GUESTS ONLY. 
          BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS PEOPLE CAN'T JUST GET A DAY PASS TO COME, LIKE ENJOY THE POOL OR SOMETHING? NO. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE EXPERIENCE IS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE WOULD BE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THE, THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE SPA IS ACTUALLY NOT TREATMENTS. 
          IT'S THE DOING THE THERMAL CYCLE OF YOU COME IN, YOU KNOW, UH, GET CHANGED IN THE LOCKER ROOMS AND THEN JUST ESSENTIALLY ENJOY THE GROUNDS, GO SIT IN A SAUNA, GO INTO A COLD BATH, AND THEN GO RELAX IN A LOUNGE OR FOR EXAMPLE, AND DO THAT SEVERAL TIMES AND READ A BOOK. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY RELAXING, QUIET, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES TWO TO THREE HOURS STAY, SOMETIMES FIVE OR SIX. 
          IT JUST DEPENDS ON YOUR, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU CARE TO DO. 
          NO CHILDREN, I NO CHILDREN. 
          NO. 
          MAY I PICK YOU BACK? UM, SURE. 
          WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF EACH OF THE POOLS? I DO NOT HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          AND HOW MANY HOTEL GUESTS CAN ARABELLA ACCOMMODATE? SORRY, ARABELLA OR GUEST ROOMS? I SHOULD STAY? UM, YOU'RE SAYING HOW MANY GUEST ROOMS IS THE HOTEL, WAS THE QUESTION, RIGHT? OH, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY GUEST ROOMS THE HOTEL IS? UH, IT'S 144. 
          AND WHAT PERCENT WOULD YOU EXPECT WOULD USE THE FACILITY? THAT'S HARD TO SAY. 
          YEAH, IT'S IDEALLY A LOT, BUT YEAH,  IDEALLY QUITE A BIT. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT, IT'S HARD TO SAY BECAUSE THERE'S NO REAL COMPARABLE TYPE SPA IN THE SOUTHWEST. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST A THIRD OF OUR SPA GUESTS TO BE COMING FROM THE HOTEL. 
          BUT TO WILL'S POINT, THE MORE BETTER BECAUSE THEN IT FEEDS BOTH BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, OWNED BY THE SAME OWNERSHIP GROUP. 
          SO TWO THIRDS THEN WOULD COME FROM THE COMMUNITY OR OTHER RESORTS POTENTIALLY THAT THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S, AND WHAT DID YOU SAY? AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY OF EACH OF THOSE POOLS IS? WELL, SO THAT'S, NOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OCCUPANCY BASED ON THE BUILDING CODE THAT'S DRIVEN BY, IT'S LIKE ONE 15 SQUARE FEET PER PERSON. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE POOL'S A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON PER 15 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE IS THE, THE CALCULATION. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY BE DRIVEN. 
          THE BUILDING CODE'S GONNA TELL US LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE MAXIMALLY COULD GO IN THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA WANT THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE POOLS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN THAT BECAUSE THE IDEAS IS JUST SORT OF LIKE A, UH, ZEN 
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ENVIRONMENT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE A CRAZY, YOU KNOW. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THE IDEA IS YOU KIND OF SIT IN THE POOL AND JUST RELAX. 
          UM, WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAVE 357 LOCKERS MM-HMM. 
          , AND YOU EXPECT A THIRD OF THE HOTEL, UM, POPULATION TO COME, I, I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANNA KNOW, BUT I DO WANNA KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THOSE POOLS ARE. 
          WELL, IT'S ALSO NOT A DIRECT CORRELATION BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF LOCKERS, WHILE IT'S POSSIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT MANY GUESTS AT ONCE, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE BEEN INFORMED BY THE ARCHITECTS AND SUCH, PART OF THE REASON FOR HAVING THAT NUMBER OF LOCKERS IS ALSO TURNOVER. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE MM-HMM. 
          , IF ONE PERSON'S LEAVES, WE HAVE FREE LOCKERS FOR THEM TO GO TO AS OPPOSED TO CONSTANTLY REFRESHING, SANITIZING, STAFFING, ET CETERA. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT GIVES US A DECENT BUFFER. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE, UM, I, I RECENTLY CAME BACK FROM CANADA LAST WEEK WHERE WE WERE TOURING SOME OF THESE SPAS, LAME MAHO AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO KIND OF JUST SEE HOW THE OPERATION IS NOW POST COVID AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND I WOULD SAY OF THE PEOPLE IN THERE, MAYBE 25% ARE IN THE POOL AT ANY ONE POINT. 
          THE, UM, THE BIGGEST USAGE IS ACTUALLY THE RELAXATION AREAS. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT, AND YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE THERMAL CYCLE THAT'S RECOMMENDED FOR THIS TYPE OF SPA, YOU KNOW, IT'S 15 TO 20 MINUTES IN A HOT AREA, IT'S A MAXIMUM OF A MINUTE OR SO IN A COLD AREA, AND THEN IT'S MAYBE 30 MINUTES IN A RELAXATION AREA. 
          SO PEOPLE DO THAT, AND THEN LITERALLY THEY'LL GO FIND A CHAIR, THEY'LL FIND A LOUNGER OR SOMETHING AND LAY DOWN AND RELAX. 
          SO, UM, YEAH. 
          AND IN ADDITIONALLY, JUST TO COMMENT ON THE POOL SIZING, SO I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE IT, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I MEAN, IN THE DESIGN PROCESS IN WORKING WITH LA MISHA, I MEAN, WE LITERALLY PLACED A PERSON IN EACH LOCATION AROUND THE POOL WHERE WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE SEATED. 
          SO EVERYTHING WAS SORT OF SIZED SPECIFICALLY BASED ON WHAT WE BELIEVE THE DEMAND TO BE. 
          AND IT'S, AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE LOCKER COUNT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T SERVE ANYONE'S PURPOSES IF WE HAD LIKE, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY, A LOT OF LOCKERS AND NOT ENOUGH SERVICES TO SORT OF, UM, SERVICE THOSE LOCKERS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO THERE REALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE BACKUP DATA JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS SORT OF PART OF THE INTERNAL DESIGN PROCESS, BUT WE DID, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING AGAIN WAS APPROPRIATELY SIZED BASED ON THE CAPACITY. 
          SO BACK YOU . 
          I HOPE THIS DOESN'T ALL GO AGAINST MY TIME. 
          NO, IT DOES. 
          . 
          UH, SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO KIND OF BOIL IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, UH, GUESTS DO YOU EXPECT TO SEE THERE ON A DAILY BASIS? MM-HMM. 
          ,  5,250. 
          I GUESS I'M, AND I KNOW YOU MAY NOT HAVE A, WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HARD NUMBER BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU DRIVE THE PROJECT THROUGH THE ECONOMICS. 
          SURE. 
          UH, WE'RE PROJECTING FOR IT TO BE, UM, UH, A FISCALLY REASONABLE PROJECT, PROFITABLE PROJECT. 
          UH, WE'RE ESTIMATING IN THE 250 TO 265 PERSON A DAY RANGE, YOU KNOW, AVERAGED OUT ACROSS THE YEAR, OF COURSE, UM, BASED UPON APPROXIMATELY 12 HOURS OF OPERATION A DAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN THE RESTAURANT, IS IT ONLY OPEN FOR THE, ONLY FOR GUESTS? FOR GUESTS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S PRIMARILY A WHITE MEAL, LUNCH, MEALS YES. 
          AND SO FORTH? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK I'LL GIVE UP MY TURN HERE. 
          , LET OTHERS ASK A FEW THINGS. 
          THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. 
          GO AHEAD, CHARLOTTE, WE'RE LEAVING. 
          DO YOU WANT TO GO NEXT, ? SURE, I'LL GO NEXT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WANT TO, I'LL START. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          I'D LIKE TO START BY SORT OF REVISITING A LITTLE OF THESE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, CAN YOU PLEASE POINT OUT TO ME WHERE THE COLD POOL PLUNGES AND THE HOT SECTIONS ARE? YEAH, SO IT'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T SEE IT ALL NECESSARILY FROM THE SITE LINE. 
          THERE'S THAT ONE THREE-ISH D DIAGRAM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, THIS WOULD BE A WARM POOL. 
          WOULD WE CONSIDER WARM POOL, WHICH IS JUST A NORMAL KIND OF TEMPERATURE POOL. 
          YEP. 
          UM, THERE'S A SAUNA IN THIS BUILDING TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BUILDING THREE BELOW THIS OVERHANG, THERE'S A COLD PLUNGE. 
          THIS IS A NORMAL WARM TEMPERATURE POOL. 
          THIS IS A COLD PLUNGE, THE SMALLER BODY OF WATER UP HERE AT BUILDING FOUR. 
          AND THEN THIS IS A NORMAL TEMPERATURE POOL, AND THERE'S ADDITIONALLY A SAUNA AND A RELAXATION ROOM HERE, AND THEN A RELAXATION ROOM AND A SALT SCRUB IN BUILDING THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, AND A STEAM, STEAM ROOM BUILDING THREE, BUT WHERE'S THE, THE HOT, THE STEAM ROOM AND SAUNAS ARE THE HOT SAUNAS. 
          THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MOSTLY HOT. 
          THERE'S NOT LIKE A HOT TUB HOT. 
          IT'S THE STEAM IN THE, UH, SAUNAS THAT ARE THE HOT, HOTTEST 
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TEMPERATURE. 
          WELL, I MUST HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          I THOUGHT THERE WAS A HOT POOL. 
          UM, NO, WELL, THE HOT POOL WOULD BE MORE LIKE A 80 TEMPERATE POOL, YOU KNOW, NOTHING LIKE A REALLY HOT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, SONIC POOL. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE THERMAL CYCLE AND SUCH, THE HOT PORTION OF THAT IS THE DRY SAUNA AND THE STEAM TRADITIONALLY, AND THEN IT'S INTO A COLD PLUNGE OR OTHER COLD ENVIRONMENTS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE, THE WARM OR TEMPER POOLS FOR JUST RELAXATION. 
          SO AGAIN, WHEN IT COMES TO RELAXATION, WHICH IS THE, THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS WHOLE CYCLE, YOU COULD RELAX IN A POOL, YOU COULD RELAX IN A LOUNGER. 
          WE HAVE INDOOR RELAXATION AREAS, OUTDOOR RELAXATION AREAS, ET CETERA. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE A NATURAL HOT SPRINGS WITH NO MODULATED, VERY HOT TEMPERATURES. 
          NO, NO, THANK YOU. 
          NO, THE, THE SAUNA IS THE, UH, THE HOT PORTION. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT HELPS ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN MR. MEN, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS EXPERIENCE IS MOSTLY ABOUT THIS HOT COLD CYCLE, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MASSAGE ROOMS IN THE OH, THERE ARE AS WELL. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           14. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT, THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST THIS EXPERIENCE, I THINK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN LET ME GET INTO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS I HAVE, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND THERE'S WHAT THREE PARKING SPACES DEDICATED FOR THE TRAILHEAD THAT'S ON THE LOCATION. 
          HAVE CARRIE, HAVE WE DONE ANY ANALYSIS OR THOUGHT ABOUT HOW MUCH PARKING, HOW OFTEN THE PARKING GETS USED THERE NOW CURRENTLY AND WHAT THAT DEMAND HAS BEEN? AND, AND TO BE, TO BE CLEAR, I STOPPED BY AT 1115 TODAY. 
          THERE'S SEVEN CARS IN THE PARKING LOT ALL WENT TO, SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE SOME TRAILHEAD PARKING. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE IT SPECIFIES THE NUMBER OF PARKING. 
          AND IT ALSO, UM, AND SO THERE'S NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR ANY CERTAIN NUMBER, JUST THAT THERE BE SOME. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW WAS THREE SPOTS DETERMINED? UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT, WE JUST THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE A FAIR NUMBER. 
          PLUS ADDING THE SHUTTLE STOP, YOU KNOW, DROP OFF WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A, A GOOD BUMP TO SORT OF SUPPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE AREA THAT'S THERE NOW IS REALLY NOT A, IT'S JUST SORT OF A DG KIND OF ZONE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FREE FOR ALL . 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK IT WAS JUST A COMBINATION OF RELATIVELY WHAT THE SIZE IS NOW, YOU KNOW, GIVING THREE SPOTS PLUS THE, THE SHUTTLE WE THOUGHT WAS, WAS, YOU KNOW, AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT. 
          AND THAT WAS KIND OF IN DISCUSSIONS AGAIN WITH, WITH CARRIE AND THE, AND THE TEAM, JUST TO SEE WHAT SEEMED APPROPRIATE. 
          AND THEN HOW DOES THAT GET MANAGED ABOUT IF MORE THAN THREE CARS SHOW UP FOR THE TRAIL HEAD AND THEY PARK IN YOUR LOT, OR YOUR LOT'S FULL AND THEY DECIDE TO GO PARK IN THE TRAIL HEAD LOT, HOW DOES YEAH. 
          I THINK IT ONLY BECOMES AN ISSUE IF WE START RUNNING LOW ON SPOTS OR IF WE SEE A CONSTANT, UM, UH, OVER USAGE OF IT. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR GOALS IS JUST TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, TO SUPPORT THINGS. 
          UM, WE'RE ALL HIKERS, YOU KNOW, THE OWNERS ARE HIKERS. 
          UH, WE, WE FEEL VERY BLESSED TO HAVE THIS SPACE AND TO HAVE THAT TRAIL THERE. 
          SO THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS CREATE BAD BLOOD AND, YOU KNOW, BE CHASING PEOPLE AROUND AND HEY, YOU CAN'T PARK HERE. 
          THAT'S JUST NOT HOW WE LIKE TO DO BUSINESS, QUITE HONESTLY. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT UNLESS IT WERE TO BECOME, UNLESS ALL OF A SUDDEN MAR'S DRAW BECOMES THE NEWEST THING IN TOWN WHERE IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN TRADITIONALLY, UH, I DON'T FORESEE IT BEING A MAJOR AREA OF CONTENTION. 
          AND THEN CARRIE, LET ME ASK ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, ADOT REVIEW NOT BEING COMPLETED. 
          HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN WHILE YOU'RE BRINGING, UH, PROJECTS TO P AND Z? FOR APPROVAL. 
          SO I WOULD SAY A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE, YOU MIGHT BE THINKING OF ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE ZONE CHANGES. 
          AND FOR ZONE CHANGES, WE WOULD DEFINITELY WAIT FOR THEIR COMMENTS. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVEN'T HAD HAD FINAL ADOT COMMENTS AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TO WORK OUT. 
          I THINK THAT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD A MAJOR CONCERN THAT IT WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF LARGE IMPACT ON THE PROJECT, WE WE WOULD WAIT. 
          BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THIS ONE, IT'S THE ADOT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE OFFSITE, SO IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE, UM, THE LAYOUT AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO MOVE A BUILDING, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO MOVE A PARKING AREA, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND BASED ON, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR ENGINEERING STAFF, THERE'S NOTHING MAJOR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A HUGE CONCERN. 
          AND SO IT'S KIND OF A CASE BY CASE BASIS OF HOW WE HANDLE THAT. 
          ADOT CAN TAKE 
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A LITTLE LONGER THAN US TO GET BACK COMMENTS AND WE CAN'T CONTROL THEIR SCHEDULE IN OUR, IN OUR EXPERIENCE. 
          WHAT'S KIND OF THE RANGE OF THINGS THAT ADOT MAY COME BACK WITH? SORRY, ADOT COULD COME BACK WITH ANYTHING BETWEEN NO IMPROVEMENT NEEDED TO ALL THE WAY TO A ROUNDABOUT. 
          SO THE POSSIBILITIES LARGE. 
          UH, I, I HAVE ASKED TO LOOK INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE ONTO, UM, 1 79. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE PROJECT OR IMPROVEMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IF THOSE KIND OF REQUIREMENTS COME BACK, WHO'S COLA IS THAT ON THE APPLICANT? THE APPLICANT? SO BUILDING A ROUNDABOUT MIGHT KILL THE PROJECT, IS THAT CORRECT? ? UH, WELL, HARD TO SAY. 
          I, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT JUST BASED ON KIMLEY HORN'S ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, WE SORT OF TRUST THOSE GUYS AND, UH, THE FACT THAT THE IMPACT IS FAIRLY LOW, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS LIKELY. 
          BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IF, IF THEY COME BACK WITH A ROUNDABOUT, WE'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, EVALUATE THAT FOR SURE. 
          OR NEXT TOPIC REALLY IS THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, I, ARE THERE SPOTS THEN DESIGNATED IN THE HOTEL LOT THAT WILL BE CONVERTED TO DESIGNATED FOR THE SPA PARKING? NO, BECAUSE WE'D BE, IT'S, THE PARKING REDUCTION IS BASED ON THE, ON HOTEL GUESTS USING THE SPA. 
          AND SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THAT KIND OF SHARED PARKING. 
          UM, AND SO WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THERE, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT THESE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, 20 SPOTS THAT ARE FOR THE SPOT WOULD BE LOOKING MORE TO FORMALIZE THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SPA AND THE HOTEL. 
          SO THAT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, THERE WOULD BE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, EITHER, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE ANY CHANGES TO THAT AGREEMENT. 
          BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE THAT THE HOTEL MIGHT NEED TO COME BACK, OR, I MEAN, THE SPA MIGHT NEED TO COME BACK AND BUILD ADDITIONAL PARKING IF THAT RELATIONSHIP NO LONGER EXISTED, ALL OF WHICH COULD TAKE SOME TIME. 
          I, I THINK I'LL SHARE ONE OF MY COMMENTS AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT ABOUT THIS SHARED PARTICULAR USE. 
          UM, AND I'LL START THIS COMMENT OFF BY SAYING, THIS IS QUITE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT AND IT VERY, IT REALLY IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE, UH, QUITE A LOVELY EXPERIENCE FOR THOSE THAT WANNA GO THROUGH THAT HOT COLD CYCLE, WHICH BEING AN ATHLETE I UNDERSTAND IS REALLY QUITE THE THING THESE DAYS, BUT THIS ALSO LOOKS LIKE REALLY A TOP END SPA. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE CLIENTELE AT THE CURRENT HOTEL IS REALLY THE CLIENTELE FOR THAT SPA. 
          AND SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS, THE SUCCESS OF THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT. 
          I THINK I'M WORRIED THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE WILL BE COMING FROM OUTSIDE AND, UH, HAVE IMPACT THIS WHOLE PARKING ANALYSIS THING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, BUT THAT WAS A COMMENT MORE THAN A QUESTION. 
          I'LL GO BACK TO QUESTIONS  BACK TO WATER. 
          I SHARE MANY OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE ABOUT WATER, AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, DETAILING MORE OF THAT WATER USE. 
          UM, 10,200 GALLONS A DAY IS 3.7 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR. 
          AND SOMEWHERE I WROTE DOWN, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST 5 MILLION, 4 MILLION, UH, OVER 4 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR FOR THE HIGHER ONE THAT, THAT YOU HAD GLANCING THROUGH THE PACKET. 
          I DID NOT SEE THE LETTER FROM ARIZONA WATER AGAIN. 
          AND I'M KIND OF, I THINK THAT WE, UM, WE HAVE IT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT GOT UPLOADED. 
          A LOT OF TIMES THOSE LETTERS OF SERVICEABILITY DON'T MAKE IT INTO THOSE FINAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE UPLOADED, BUT YES, THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I THINK MY, LET'S SEE, I HAD A A A A QUESTION HERE THAT IF I READ THE PACKET RIGHT, I SAW THE WORDS SHALL CONSIDER WIDENING THE SOME BART SIDEWALK. 
          WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE SHELL ? HOW DOES THAT GET SET, WHETHER IT'S YES. 
          WELL, SHELL IS A YES. 
          SO THAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PAGE G I WROTE DOWN PAGE 13 EIGHT G. 
          IT'S IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          YEAH. 
          SHE MM-HMM. 
          , I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF MY COMMENTS. 
          UM, SINCE THEY'RE PROVIDING A 10 FOOT SHARE USE PATH ALONG THE PROJECT FRONTAGE FROM THE, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK GOING ALONG. 
          ARABELLA, IT TERMINATES. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO BE 10 FOOT FROM THERE TO THE MARS MAR 
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MARS STRAW MAR STRAW MARCH STRAW TRAILHEAD. 
          AND ON 1 79 WE ALSO HAVE A VERY NICE WIDE SHARED USE PATH. 
          SO THERE'S THIS SECTION ALONG SOBAR THAT'S ONLY FIVE FEET. 
          THAT'S NOT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, SO I CAN'T FORCE THEM TO MAKE IT 10 FEET. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE, IF THERE WAS ENOUGH IN THE DEVELOPMENT FEES, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL IF WE COULD WIDEN IT SO THAT WE HAVE A CONSISTENTLY WIDE PATH. 
          BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN REQUIRE AT THIS TIME, BUT WOULD LIKE THEM TO CONSIDER. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD SHOW THAT POINT TO US ON A SITE PLAN WHERE THIS IS, UM, WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN BRING UP A, AN AERIAL IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          SORRY. 
          SORRY, YOU GUYS GET TO WATCH MY GOOGLING . 
          . 
          WELL THAT DIDN'T WORK. 
          LET'S JUST GO, THIS WILL WORK. 
          USE THE MOUSE. 
          AH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO THE PROPERTY IS THIS PROPERTY HERE AND OBVIOUSLY 1 79 IS OUT HERE. 
          SO WHAT HANUKAH IS TALKING ABOUT IS THIS AREA ALONG SOBAR LANE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND 1 79 THAT HAS THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO THIS PROJECT IS, IS ON THIS CONDITIONED TO 10 FOOT SIDEWALK THAT GOES TO WHERE, UM, IT'S JUST ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE. 
          SO IT GOES TO, TO THE EDGE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           NOT ALL THE WAY DOWN SOME BART. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          CUZ WE CAN ONLY REQUIRE THEM TO DO THE SIDEWALKS WITHIN THEIR FRONTAGE, WHICH WOULD BE ALONG SOBAR LANE. 
          SO WE CAN'T MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING ALONG THE ARABELLA HOTEL FRONTAGE. 
          NEXT QUESTION WAS, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT THE PUBLIC ART PLANS ARE? WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL PLAN FOR THE PUBLIC ART YET. 
          JUST THAT WE KNOW WE'D PREFER TO GO THAT ROUTE AS OPPOSED TO THE ADDITIONAL FEE. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO BE VIEWABLE FROM THE PUBLIC AT THE FRONT. 
          IT CAN'T BE INSIDE THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FEE PAYING PLACE. 
          SO, UM, THAT WILL BE COORDINATED, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR, UH, NEXT, YOU KNOW, OUR FURTHER SUBMITTALS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND CITY STAFF REVIEWS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR ARTS, OUR ARTS AND CULTURE COORDINATOR TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THEN GETTING CLOSE TO THE BOTTOM HERE, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY SOME DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF ABOUT AN ADA ACCESS THE LIFTED ELEVATOR, MINIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. 
          AND IT SEEMED THAT IT WORKED OUT THAT YOU GUYS PREFERRED THE YEAH, CORRECT. 
          NOT LIFT. 
          YEAH, WE JUST REALLY COULDN'T GET THE LIFT TO WORK NICELY FEASIBLY, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A COST FACTOR THERE, BUT THERE'S A COST FACTOR, THE, THE WALKWAYS AS WELL. 
          BUT OUR LOT COVERAGE IS STILL ONLY 30%, WHICH AGAIN, WE'RE PRETTY PLEASED WITH THAT FACT, YOU KNOW, PERMITTED UP TO 60. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT THE NATURAL PATHWAYS, OBVIOUSLY THE ADA PATHWAY WILL BE CON, WILL NOT BE NATURAL, THAT'LL HAVE TO BE A SOLID SURFACE PER, YOU KNOW, MEET THE ADA REQUIREMENTS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE THINK THAT, UM, THE OTHER PATHWAYS KINDA WILL BE MORE NATURAL PATHWAYS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY WITH IT THE WAY IT IS. 
          IT JUST, IT JUST WASN'T REALLY FEASIBLE. 
          THE, THE, TO GET UP TO BUILDING FOUR WITH SOME KIND OF LIFT, YOU KNOW, IT'S QUITE A, IT'S HIGH AND QUITE FAR APART, SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ALMOST BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, ELEMENT OR SOMETHING. 
          AND IT JUST, WE DID STUDY IT PRETTY EXTENSIVELY, BUT IT JUST, IT, IT DIDN'T REALLY WORK BETTER IN OUR OPINION. 
          RIGHT. 
          MOUNTAIN CHAIR, ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          WAS THE SIGN ISSUE, THE ONE DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT NEEDED TO BE, HAVE AN EXCEPTION AND FOR THIS PLAN, COULD YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY DRAWINGS OF, CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THAT IS AND DO YOU HAVE ANY MM-HMM. 
           DEPICTIONS OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE? YES. 
          OH, IT'S INS IT'S, SEE, IT'S IN YOUR PLANS. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I CAN SAY NOW, WE'LL, WE PLAN ON REVISING TO MEET THE THREE FEET REQUIREMENT JUST ANYWAYS, BUT JUST, MATT, YOU MAY STILL, WE CAN STILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT JUST BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT. 
          WHY WAS THAT CHANGE MADE DISTURBING THE FOUR FEET AND GOING BACK TO THREE FEET NOW? WELL, 
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I, I THINK IT WAS JUST KIND OF AN AESTHETIC CHOICE THINKING, BUT IN REALITY IT'S NOT. 
          IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A LOW ON THE TOTEM POLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY JUST A DIRECTIONAL SIGN KIND AT THE PARKING AREA TO KIND OF SAY, HERE'S THE DIRECT, HERE'S THE PARKING, HERE'S THE SPA. 
          AND SO IT, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY MINIMAL ITEM IN OUR MIND. 
          I GOT IT. 
          IT'S NOT PART OF A BRANDING, SO NO, NO, NO. 
          I GOT IT. 
          I MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN THE WRONG DOCUMENT. 
          ARE YOU UP, UM, I MEAN, IF WE GO BACK TO IT THERE. 
          NO, GO BACK TO HERE. 
          UM, THEY WERE GONNA HAVE A FOUR FOOT MONUMENT SIGN HERE, AND THAT IS ALLOWED UP TO EIGHT FEET, UM, AND THEN A FOUR FOOT DIRECTIONAL SIGN AT THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE DOWN HERE. 
          SO IT WAS HAVING THOSE TWO SIGNS BE THE SAME WHERE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED AN EIGHT FOOT AND A THREE FOOT. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO FOUR FOOT SIGNS. 
          AND SO WE DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT, THEY CAN, BUT IT'S, I SAID IT'S PROBABLY FAIRLY MINOR ISSUE. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MADAME CHAIR. 
          SHALL, I'M GONNA ASK ONE WATER QUESTION AND THE REST OF MINE ARE NOT WATER QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO THE VILLAS, YOU KNOW, IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, SUBMISSION, UH, AS A FUTURE PHASE AND THAT'S BEEN TAKEN OUT. 
          BUT, UM, IS, IS THAT A CHANGE IN THE PLAN? IS IT SIMPLY TO TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T PERTAIN TO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IN THAT OH, FACE, NO. 
          OR IS IT GONE? GONE? IT'S, IT'S GONE. 
          GONE. 
          I MEAN, THE, THE, THEY ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT TO BUILD SIX, BUT IT IS NOT IN ANY CURRENT PLAN OF THEIRS. 
          THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, I MEAN, AGAIN, I CAN'T READ THEIR MINDS, BUT IT'S GONE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THEY CHOSE TO CHANGE THAT, ASSUMING THAT IT'S OVER, YOU KNOW, 2000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL, THERE'D BE SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET, IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS IN THE ENGINEERING LETTER, UM, AND THIS COULD BE WHERE THINGS ARE JUST, IT'S A TIMING ISSUE. 
          THE ENGINEERING LETTER THAT STATED MARCH 29TH SAYS THAT THE WATER SYSTEM WILL BE DESIGNED TO INCLUDE FUTURE ADDITIONS AND ULTIMATE CONDITIONS OF THE SITE. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THEN? WELL, I THINK WHAT THAT MEANS IS LIKELY, IF, YOU KNOW THERE WAS EVER THE DESIRE TO EXPAND ANY OF THESE SERVICES, I DON'T THINK IT'S RELATED TO VILLAS. 
          I THINK MAYBE PERHAPS THAT'S ABOUT SPA SERVICES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD WANNA BE SURE THAT IF THEY DID WANNA EXPAND 'EM, THEY THEY COULD DO THAT. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS AS TO WHAT THAT'S REFERENCING. 
          IS THAT IN THE CURRENT, UH, LETTER? IT'S IN THE MARCH 29TH LETTER IN OUR PACKET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, OKAY, SO LET'S GO BACK TO PARKING. 
          UM, I WISH KIMLEY HORN WAS HERE MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL IN WHAT YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE. 
          . 
          UM, I ALSO WONDERED HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH A 38% CAPTURE RATE FOR GUESTS FOR THIS PROJECT? KIMLEY HORN DID ONE FOR ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE SAW A FEW MONTHS AGO, UM, AND IT WAS 50% FOR THAT ONE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE, I DON'T WANT TO , HOW DO I CALL IT? THE, THE, THE NATURE OF THE HOTEL. 
          UM, OR WHAT ONE OF 'EM THEY USED, UH, THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, UM, WHICH WAS THIS PROJECT, THE OTHER ONE THEY USED THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE. 
          AND SO IT MAKES ONE WONDER HOW YOU SHOP AROUND FOR, UH, SO I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT MODEL MY UNDERSTANDING IN HANUKKAH MIGHT WIN IN OR WILL CAN AS WELL, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY APPLY A 38% REDUCTION, IT'S THAT THEY LOOK AT THE TWO LAND USES, SEE WHAT IS THE OUTSIDE DEMAND FOR THIS VERSUS THE DEMAND THAT'S COMING FROM THE HOTEL. 
          THEY DO THAT AND THAT RESULTS IN A 38% REDUCTION HERE, A 50. 
          SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY'RE APPLYING THAT REDUCTION, THEY'RE STUDYING THE PROPOSED LAND USES AND COMING UP WITH A PARKING DEMAND AND THEN THAT PARKING DEMAND RESULTS IN A REDUCTION. 
          SO THAT'S EVEN MORE, UM, SUBJECTIVE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I WOULD SAY. 
          SO. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHY OUR CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT A REGISTERED ENGINEER DO THE STUDY, AND SO WE RELY ON THEIR EXPERTISE THERE. 
          SO I, I JUST WANNA SAY THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCY, INCONSISTENCIES AND WIGGLE ROOM AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          SO THE PARKING LOT ITSELF, THE EXISTING DG PARKING LOT, DOES ARABELLA HOTEL USE IT AT ALL FOR OVERFLOW ITSELF? UH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          NO. 
          I MEAN, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN ENTIRE, A PRETTY LARGE ADDITIONAL PARKING ZONE RIGHT HERE MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH 
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IS RARELY EVER COMPLETELY FULL ANYWAYS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SO THAT'S NOT EVEN ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, AND THE REST IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S WILD. 
          YEAH, THERE YOU GO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS THE PAVED PARKING THAT EXISTS FOR THE HOTEL AS IT IS NOW, WHICH IS RARELY FULL. 
          OUR NEW PARKING IS ALL THIS ZONE HERE, SO, OKAY. 
          SO, UM, IS THERE SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT WITH THE FOREST SERVICE TO PROVIDE TRAIL ACCESS, DO YOU KNOW? NOT THAT I KNOW OF. 
          JUST WOULD BE, AS CARRIE MENTIONED, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME, UH, WITH THE CITY, NO, NO AGREEMENT WITH THE FOREST SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT IS AN OFFICIAL FOREST SERVICE TRAIL, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, AND THERE'S SIGNAGE AS THE TRAIL HEAD AND SO FORTH. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE SPA IS SOLD, WHO GETS THE PARKING AND THE DIVORCE, BUT , UM, AND OKAY, AGAIN, SOMEWHAT PARKING RELATED. 
          YOU DID, UM, HANUKKAH EXPLAINED SOMEWHAT ABOUT THE ADOT PROCESS, AND AGAIN, THE RANGE OF, OF RE REMEDIATION THEY MAY OR MAY NOT REQUIRE, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THERE, IT'S IN THE PACKET IT SAID THAT C LEVEL C UM, IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR THE, UM, ACCESS ONTO A HIGHWAY. 
          AND SO THIS WAS GONNA TAKE IT DOWN TO A D. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT BACK UP TO AT LEAST A C AND THAT'S ALL IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO? IS A C WE ASPIRE ONLY TO A C, UM, OR COULD IT BE BROUGHT UP HIGHER THAN THAT? I MEAN, EVERY TIME WE HAVE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, EVERY PROJECT SEEMS TO NOT, THE PROJECT ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE LETTER GRADE PRACTICALLY. 
          IT'S, BUT, BUT CUMULATIVELY THEY HAVE TO BE. 
          SO I, I STILL HAVE A CONCERN WITH WHAT'S A MAY OR MAY MAY NOT COME UP WITH OR REQUIRE AND THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA REALLY KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ON THE SITE ITSELF, IT'S ACCESS TO THE SITE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IT AT THIS STAGE AS PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. 
          AND I REALLY DO HOPE THAT EITHER THE LEFT TURN LANE OR SOMETHING IS DONE AND THEY DON'T JUST SAY NINE SECONDS, WHO CARES? MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, D IS GOOD ENOUGH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO THAT'S MY COMMENT ON THAT. 
          UM, HOW THREE PARKING SPACES WERE ARE ADEQUATE FOR THE TRAILHEAD. 
          MY HUSBAND'S A BIG HIKER AND I ASKED HIM, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A NUMBER OR WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN THERE? AND HE SAID, IF IT'S ANYTHING LESS THAN SEVEN TO 10, THEY ARE NOT DOING A, THEY'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF RESIDENTS OF SEDONA TO THE BENEFIT OF THESE SPA PATRONS. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT IS UTILIZED, ESPECIALLY ON WEEKENDS, IT'S USED BY BIKERS TOO, WHO JUST COME AND PARK THEIR CARS THERE AND THEN THEY BIKE. 
          NOT JUST THE, UM, HIKERS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, SO I, I DON'T THINK THREE'S ENOUGH, UM, ON WILDERNESS. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST AS A, I SAW SOMETHING I HADN'T SEEN BEFORE UNDER CONDITION OR APPROVAL. 
          THERE'S AN AZ, UM, A Z P D E S CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT BEFORE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING TO DO WITH, BECAUSE THERE'S A POOL? NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE REQUIRE FOR PROJECTS LARGER THAN AN ACRE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH, IT'S USUALLY SOMETHING I MENTIONED DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I JUST LIKE TO WARN THEM AHEAD OF TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          EROSION THING? EROSION. 
          NO. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          AND I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT UNDER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED, BUT IF YOU SAY CONSIDER, THEN YOU CAN PUT IT IN A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT'S JUST INTERESTING AND SOMETHING GOOD TO LEARN. 
          YEAH. 
          , UM, . 
          SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC? UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE SIDEWALK WIDE VERSUS SHARED BE, YEAH. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT, WE WOULD POTENTIALLY WORK WITH THEM TO, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE CREDIT, IF, YOU KNOW, SO WE DO MENTION THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DECIDE TO DO THEM, THAT WE, THERE'S POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS THERE. 
          SO, BUT CONDITION AND CONSIDER, DON'T SEEM LIKE THEY, YOU KNOW, 
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GO TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
           CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S A LOT. 
          SOME OF IT IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT THESE OPTIONS EXIST, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE LAST, UM, SUBMITTAL, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LAUNDRY AND HOW THAT MIGHT BE TAKEN CARE OF, WHETHER YOU'D SHARE THE, WITH THE HOTEL OR YOU'RE GONNA USE A SERVICE OR WHATEVER. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOING YOUR OWN WASHING MACHINE ROUTE, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, CORRECT. 
          THE, THE CURRENT PLAN IS TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING HOTEL FACILITIES, UH, FOR, UH, LAUNDRY. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT I SAW SOMEWHERE ON THE PLANS WASHING MACHINES AND WATER USAGE ASSOCIATED WITH WATER WASHING MACHINES. 
          UM, THERE MAY BE A FEW MACHINES PLANNED JUST FOR GENERAL, NOT LIKE A SIGNIFICANT LARGE LAUNDRY THOUGH. 
          SO FOR MINIMAL USE. 
          CAN I PIGGYBACK ON THAT QUESTION? GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, SO ABOUT THE LAUNDRY, I MEAN, I IMAGINE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LAUNDRY THAT'S GONNA BE GENERATED. 
          AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THE EXISTING HOTEL IS GONNA BE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT. 
          CAUSE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD WAS THE CONSIDERATION OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WATER'S GONNA BE GENERATED WITH THAT IS GRAY WATER REUSE FOR IRRIGATION PURPOSES, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA BE REDIRECTED TO THE EXISTING HOTEL. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S A PLAN NOW. 
          OR AN OUTSIDE VENDOR. 
          OR AN OUTSIDE VENDOR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LOCKERS, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LOCKERS TOO, THE AMAZING NUMBER OF LOCKERS, BUT, UM MM-HMM. 
          , UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          I, I DO HAVE A COMMENT, BUT I'LL SAVE IT FOR THE COMMENT STAGE. 
          THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. 
          LYNN? UH, FIRST I THINK THE PROJECT IS, IS QUITE LOVELY AND, UH, UH, THE SETTING IS GOING TO BE SUBLIME. 
          THE, UH, I SHARE A LOT OF THE, UH, COMMENTS AND, UH, QUESTIONS THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAD. 
          I DO HAVE A, A FEW MORE ON WATER AND PARKING THAT HADN'T BEEN RAISED YET. 
          UM, YOU GAVE US THIS ANALYSIS, AND I DON'T THINK I SAW HERE. 
          WHAT IS THE AVERAGE FOR A SPA, A LARGE SPA IN TERMS OF GALLONS PER DAY USED? UH, THAT I DON'T UP, I DUNNO, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          I THINK IT VARIES QUITE A BIT BECAUSE THERE'S SPAS ARE, THEY VARY QUITE THE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THIS TYPE OF SPA OUT THERE. 
          THERE'S NOT A TON OF NORDIC SPAS. 
          AND THEY, THE ONES THAT DO EXIST, THEY DO VARY IN SIZE AS WELL QUITE A BIT. 
          SO, UM, I COULDN'T TELL YOU AN AVERAGE UNFORTUNATELY, USE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THIS CONCEPT DOES SEEM TO USE A LOT OF WATER, AND I WAS, I WAS HOPING TO SEE SOME CHANGES IN THAT DESIGN, BUT I CAN SEE YOU'VE MOVED FORWARD ON WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY HAD. 
          UM, AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW IT COMPARES TO A MORE TYPICAL, UH, SPA THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN A DESERT ENVIRONMENT. 
          UH, HOW OFTEN IS THE POOL BACK WASH DONE? UM, I THINK IT'S ONCE EVERY, THAT'S DICTATED BY HEALTH CODE AND I THINK IT'S ONCE EVERY SIX DAYS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S HELPFUL IN TERMS OF THAT EXTRA, CORRECT. 
          YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO DO WHATEVER THE, BASICALLY THE HEALTH CODE'S GONNA TELL US HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, I'M SURE SARAH WILL ASK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONSERVATION OF WATER ISSUES, BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING HOW SOME OF THIS WATER MIGHT BE REUSED AND RECYCLED ON PARKING. 
          ALL I WANNA SAY HERE IS, UH, THIS ONE REALLY POPPED OUT AT ME TOO AS A FORMER HIKER. 
          MAYBE NOT AT THE MOMENT, , BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THREE SPOTS SEEMED REALLY SMALL, AND I ALSO TALKED TO MY HUSBAND ABOUT IT, WHO, UH, USED TO BE PRESIDENTS PRESIDENT OF FRIENDS OF THE FOREST. 
          AND, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR HUSBAND THAT SEVEN TO 10 WOULD BE MORE NORMAL. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS WONDERING ABOUT IS, IS THERE AN AREA IDENTIFIED TO EXPAND IF YOU NEED MORE PARKING? BECAUSE I SHARE A NUMBER OF THESE CONCERNS THAT THE OTHERS HAVE. 
          UH, I GET IT WITH THAT SHARED SPACE, BUT YOU MIGHT NEED MORE. 
          SURE. 
          WELL, I ALSO THINK REALLY THE SHUTTLE STOP IS A BIG PART TO OFFSET MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK YOU WOULD SAY, LET'S SAY SEVEN TO TENS APPROPRIATE, WE'RE PROVIDING THREE, BUT PLUS A NEW SHUTTLE STOP, WHICH SHOULD, I WOULD THINK SERVICE MORE THAN THE EQUIVALENT OF, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL FOUR SPACES. 
          YOU KNOW, BECAUSE 
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THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO CAN USE THAT SHUTTLE AND, AND GET TRANSPORTED WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF OUR HOPE IS THAT, AND WE KNOW THAT'S A, A FOCUS TO REDUCE TRAFFIC. 
          SO WE JUST THOUGHT THAT SHUTTLE STOP WOULD BE A BIG BENEFIT. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THE SHUTTLE STOP IS GREAT AND AS ARE THE SIDEWALKS, BUT, UM, AGAIN, IF THERE'S AN AREA IDENTIFIED BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NEED THAT CAPACITY IN, WELL, I DO THINK THE BENEFIT, AND AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY THIS ISN'T REQUIRED NECESSARILY OR DICTATED BY ANY OF THEIR, THE CODE, BUT SINCE WE ARE SORT OF PARTNERED WITH THE HOTEL, THE HOTEL CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE LOT ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT WE MENTIONED THAT IS RARELY EVER FULL. 
          SO I DO THINK THAT IF THERE WERE EVER TO BE ANY ISSUES, THERE'S A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES FOR EXPANDING OR SOLVING THOSE ISSUES WITH THE HOTEL PARKING AS IT IS NOW. 
          I HAVEN'T RUN THE NUMBERS MYSELF TO KNOW WHERE THE PARKING IS RELATIVE TO WHAT'S REQUIRED ON THE, PER THE CODE ON THE HOTEL, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF THERE WAS A SURPLUS, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. 
          I THINK THERE'S MORE OPTIONS IN OUR CASE THAN ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT'S SORT OF STANDALONE IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY WANT A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT, SO IF THEY NEED TO, IF, IF THAT IS TO THEIR BENEFIT, THEN THEY CAN PURSUE THAT, I GUESS, YOU KNOW? WELL, AND I, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD OPTION IF IT WOULD BE SHARED WITH THE HIKERS AND THE SPA, UH, AND NOT JUST DESIGNATED SPACES, BECAUSE MOST HIKERS, IF THEY CAN'T WALK A FEW EXTRA STEPS TO GET TO THE TRAIL HEAD, THEY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE, UH, DOING THAT ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD OPTION, UM, IF YOU NEED IT. 
          AND SO THEN REALLY MORE OF THE QUESTIONS WOULD BE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DECOUPLE SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ALREADY OFFERED? BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU, THAT'S A BIG SPACE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO ANTICIPATE, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, DESIRED AND FOR, IF EVERYONE DID THIS, IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM, BUT I DO ANTICIPATE THERE'S PROBABLY GUESS OF THE SPA AND PEOPLE WHO ARE LOCAL WHO USE THE SPA, WHO MAY PARK, HIKE AND COME BACK AND THEN USE THE SPA, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO NOT THAT, AGAIN, NOT TO DIMINISH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT ABOUT THE, THE SEVEN SPACES, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY MORE SERVICE TO THAT TRAILHEAD THAN, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE THEN THERE IS NOW, HONESTLY, WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL THE ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT'LL BE THERE AND THE FACT THAT SOMEONE COULD USE A SPA AND STILL HIKE THE TRAILHEAD IF THEY WANTED. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH THAT LARGE LOT YEAH. 
          ON THE HOTEL, YOU HAVE SOME OPTIONS. 
          SURE. 
          UH, AND THEN I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS RELATED TO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE GOT BEFORE. 
          UM, I NOTICED THAT YOU INTEND TO, UM, ON DARK SKIES ACTUALLY HAVE LESS LIGHTING THAN IS REQUIRED, SO THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, ARE YOU PLANNING TO USE THOSE SORT OF LIGHTS THAT TURN ON WHEN PEOPLE WALK BY, YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT OR HOW, HOW'S THAT WORKING? NO, I MEAN, WE JUST, WE'RE USING SHIELDED FIXTURES MM-HMM. 
           AND JUST LESS, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE USING, UH, LESS IN OUR ALLOWABLE, UH, SORT OF ALUMINUM OUT. 
          UM, BUT NO, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON USING KIND OF LIKE THE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM LIGHT LEVEL ON EGRESS PASS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR SAFETY. 
          SO THEY'LL JUST BE SHIELDED FIXTURES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ON NOISE, THE COMMUNITY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS INITIALLY ABOUT THAT, AND IF YOU COULD JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE AROUND THAT. 
          SURE. 
          UM, AND I MAY LET YOU CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ONE TOO, BILL, BUT, UM, I THINK KINDA AS STATED BEFORE, THE PLAN IS THE SPA TO BE A QUIET AND KINDA ZEN ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT THE NOISE, DON'T WANT THE, THE, IN ANY LOUD NOISE AT ALL. 
          UM, A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS I THINK STEMMED ALSO FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH THE HOTEL IN SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR, YOU KNOW, UH, MUSIC AND THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON THERE. 
          UM, SO I, AND I DO THINK SINCE THEN, I BELIEVE, AT LEAST IN SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT THAT HAS BEEN, THAT HAS IMPROVED BASED ON, YOU KNOW, INITIAL, UM, DISCUSSIONS. 
          I'LL LET THEM CHIME IN IF, IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY THERE, OF COURSE. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, SO THE PLAN IS FOR THE SPA, AGAIN, TO BE A, A QUIET ZEN ENVIRONMENT, I DUNNO, ABILITY OF ANYTHING TO ADD . 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN IT COMES TO ALL ASPECTS OF THE OPERATION. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THESE AREN'T PARTY POOLS. 
          THESE AREN'T, THESE AREN'T PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET TOGETHER AND FOOD AND HOLLER. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, CONCEPTUALIZING THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE CONTENT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BUY SHOTS HERE, . 
          IT'S, IT'S MORE VERY MUCH, UH, YOU KNOW, WINE MIMOSAS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO DOING THINGS, AND THAT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A A A KIND OF SILLY EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING OF THINGS FROM HOW CAN WE CREATE A SPECIFIC VIBE, A SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENT THAT 
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IS CALM, THAT IS TRANQUIL. 
          UM, PART OF IT IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, EDUCATING CONSUMERS ON WHAT'S EXPECTED IN PLACES LIKE THESE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO THESE SPAS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF 'EM ACTUALLY HAVE A NO SPEAKING POLICY, WHICH TENDS TO NOT BE VERY POPULAR BECAUSE IT'S VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. 
          BUT EVEN THE ONES THAT DON'T, WITH THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THEM, THEY UNDERSTAND YOU ARE IN A SPA. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THE POOL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO A WATER PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YOU'RE IN A SPA AND THE IDEA OF A SPA IS QUIET AND RELAXATION, AND THERE'S JUST THAT GENERAL EXPECTATION FROM THE OTHER GUESTS AS WELL AS THE STAFF THAT THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU'RE IN. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT FROM OPERATIONAL ANGLES AS WELL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ENCOURAGING LOUD BEHAVIOR OR WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING PEOPLE, UM, IN THAT SORT OF SITUATION. 
          GREAT. 
          WELL, I WANTED TO RAISE IT SINCE IT WAS A CONCERN, BUT THAT CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE. 
          I'VE BEEN AT THE ENCHANTMENT SPA AND, UM, YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE, UH, DOING SHOTS AND RUNNING AROUND WILD THAT THAT'S THE EXTREME EXAMPLE OF COURSE. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          HI. 
          UM, BENEFIT OF GOING LAST IS THERE'S NOT A LOT LEFT TO ASK . 
          UM, I ALSO WANNA REITERATE, I THINK IT'S AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. 
          UM, UH, I ALSO APPRECIATE HOW YOU'RE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER ALLOWABLE BUILDING COVERAGE. 
          THINK THAT SHOULD BE NOTED TOO. 
          UM, SO A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          SO IT'S INTERESTING, PETE, YOU BROUGHT UP THE CLIENTELE THAT ACTUALLY CROSSED MY MIND, BUT I ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF IT, THE, THE FLIP SIDE. 
          I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE EXPERIENCE AND THEY'RE GONNA SEE WHERE THEY CAN STAY AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE EXPERIENCE. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST BASED ON MY, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL WHEN I GO TO AN EXPERIENCE AND SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE, OH, GREAT, I'M GONNA SAVE MONEY ON THE LODGING AND I'M GONNA DUMP IT ALL IN THE EXPERIENCE. 
          SO . 
          UM, SO THAT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN FOR ME. 
          UM, BUT I DO SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 
          UH, ARE YOU, ARE YOU GONNA BE HOSTING EVENTS? UM, IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY, BUT I, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY CUZ THERE'S NO REAL EVENT SPACE MM-HMM. 
           IN THERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE, UM, EVENTS THAT NATURALLY OCCUR. 
          YOU'LL HAVE GIRLS TRIPS THAT COME UP, YOU'LL HAVE BABY MOONS, YOU'LL HAVE THAT SORT OF THING. 
          BUT I DON'T FORESEE US REALLY, UM, PURSUING THAT LINE OF BUSINESS. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST CURIOUS CUZ IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL. 
          I CAN SEE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO BE UP THERE AND HAVE MAYBE A SMALL WE INTIMATE WEDDING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          SO I, I THINK COMING FROM A HOSPITALITY BACKGROUND AT A CERTAIN POINT IT'S A GREAT THING TO DO AND YOU GET THIS GREAT EXPERIENCE AND ALL THAT, BUT THE DISRUPTION IT CAN HAVE TO THE REST OF THE CLIENTELE AND THE OPERATION OUTWEIGHS MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE CHASING DOLLAR SIGNS AS OPPOSED TO EXPERIENCE LOTS OF TIMES IT DOESN'T WORK OUT RIGHT. 
          IS KIND OF MY, MY VIEW ON IT. 
          SO I, I CAN'T SAY NO, THERE'LL NEVER BE AN EVENT THERE, BUT I, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A MAJOR SOURCE OF OUR BUSINESS. 
          OUR SOURCE OF BUSINESS IS LARGELY COUPLES COMING IN TO RELAX. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT ALSO AFFECTS THE PARKING TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, ALMOST NOBODY GOES TO ONE OF THESE SPAS ALONE. 
          NOBODY'S DRIVING IN SINGLE. 
          IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS COUPLES OR SMALL GROUPS THAT COME IN TOGETHER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE, YEAH. 
          SUSTAINABILITY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PERMEABLE PAVERS FOR PATHWAYS. 
          WHAT IS THE PARKING LOT GOING TO BE? SO THE PARKING LOT CURRENTLY IS PLANNED AS, UH, ASPHALT PARKING. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO USE PERMEABLE PAV. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. 
          IT'S NOT FINALIZED YET, BUT THE CODE SORT OF DOES, I BELIEVE DRIVE US AWAY FROM THE PERME PAPERS. 
          SO I'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, AND CAN WE DO PERMEABLE IN THE PARKING SPACES, BUT THE DRIVE AISLE CAN BE MORE RIGID. 
          I'D LIKE TO USE IT WOULD BE NICE TO, AND THEN, AND CERTAINLY AT LEAST CROWN AND MAYBE THE STORM WATER RUNOFF COULD GO TO THE PERMEABLE. 
          AND I MEAN, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN SUPPORT OF PERMEABLE SAVINGS CAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS A LOT NICER, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM. 
          , UM, FOR, FOR THE RECORD, THE OWNERS FEEL THE SAME WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          , I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, AS FAR AS I KNOW TOO, THERE'S REALLY NO COST ISSUE THERE. 
          IT REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO WHAT THE CODE WILL ALLOW US TO DO IN THAT RESPECT. 
          SO IF, IF IT DOES ALLOW, THAT IS OUR PREFERRED OPTION. 
          YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          THE ZONING CODE WOULD ALLOW EITHER, I THINK THERE'S SOME FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR WHERE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE FIRE TRUCKS ON THAT. 
          YOU SOMETIMES HAVE TO DO A LITTLE MORE OF A STURDY SECTION. 
          BUT OUR GOAL, NOT WITHSTANDING CODE IS FOR THERE TO BE AS MUCH PERMEABLE PA PAVERS AND DG AND NATURAL MATERIALS AS POSSIBLE. 
          WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DRIVE INTO A SPA AND SEE A MALL PARKING LOT, ESSENTIALLY. 
          WE WANT TO BE A BIT MORE REFINED, BLEND IN WITH THE ENVIRONMENT MORE AND BE MORE WELCOMING. 
          OF COURSE IT'S, YEAH. 
          AND THE TREE SPECIES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PICKED, IS THAT GONNA PROVIDE SHADING ULTIMATELY AS THEY GROW FOR THE PARKING LOT? UM, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT, IT WILL, 
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I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T GROW HU THE TREES DON'T GROW HUGE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO USE AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ALL ON THE APPROVED PLANT LIST. 
          AND SO, UM, YEAH, THEY USED A HUNDRED PERCENT NATIVE. 
          UM, SO THE, THE TRIED OFF FOR THE, I MEAN IT'S GREAT FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LIKE MORE NATIVE, A LOT OF THE NATIVE TREES WILL PROVIDE SHADING EVENTUALLY THEY'LL JUST TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, A LONG, YEAH. 
          SO ASSUMING THAT THIS WILL BE AROUND FOR MANY YEARS, YOU KNOW, IN 10 TO 15 YEARS THERE'LL BE SOME NICE NICE GROWTH IN THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE ARE YOU PLANNING ON DIRECTING THE STORM WATER RUNOFF FROM THE PARKING LOT? SO I THINK CURRENTLY, UM, IT FLOWS ONTO SOBAR AND THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE IN SOBAR THAT, THAT IT'S COLLECTED. 
          UM, WE DO ALSO HAVE BASINS UNDER THE PARKING AREA FOR COLLECTION. 
          SO, UM, IT'S SORT OF A COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT ROOF? ARE YOU GUYS GONNA HAVE LIKE DISCONNECTED GUTTER DOWN SPOUT? ARE YOU GONNA USE IT? IT'S A COMBINATION OF ROOF TRAINS AND ALSO WATER THAT WILL SHEET TRAIN OFF. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THE ROOF, UM, I DON'T, I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT THE PLAN IS TO USE SORT OF NATURAL, UH, ROCK FROM THE SITE AS LIKE A BALLAST. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH WILL HELP SORT OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, DISGUISE THE ROOFS, NOT THAT YOU'LL SEE THEM FROM TOO MANY VANTAGES ANYWAYS, BUT WE THINK IT COULD BE NICE FROM THE TOP OF THE HILL LOOKING DOWN. 
          UM, BUT THE ROOFS WILL EITHER YEAH, HAVE ROOF DRAINS OR THEY'LL SHEET DRAIN KIND OF OFF THE SIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CAPTURE AND REUSE FOR IRRIGATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SINCE YOU GO FROM UPHILL TO DOWNHILL. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE A NICE GRAVITY SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY. 
          THAT COULD BE NICE. 
          I MEAN WE ARE USING A LOT OF NATIVE VEGETATION IN AND THE HOPE IS THAT WE DON'T NEED A WHOLE LOT OF FOLLOWING. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRANSPLANTING, I MEAN WE'RE SAVING AND TRANSPLANTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES TOO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, WE REALLY DID FOCUS ON TRYING TO SAVE AS MUCH OF THE NATIVE NICE VEGETATION AS WE CAN MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, UH, OH, RESTAURANT DELIVERIES AND TRUCKS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS THE SORT OF DELIVERY ZONE. 
          AND THAT WAS A COMMENT ON PREVIOUS, UM, UH, CONCEPTUAL AS WELL. 
          IT WAS OVER HERE AND WE RELOCATED IT KIND OF TO THE REAR WHERE IT'S MUCH LESS VISIBLE, YOU KNOW, UM, STILL GOOD ACCESS TO IT. 
          SO YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE IN THIS LOCATION HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THEN. 
          UH, NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST THAT, UM, CAME THROUGH THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS OR WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT THEY SUBMITTED INCLUDED SOUND BARRIERS, A TREE LINE AND FENCE TO PROHIBIT ENTRY TO OAK CREEK KNOWLES NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD BE INTRODUCING MM-HMM. 
           ADDITIONAL VEGETATION. 
          DID YOU CONSIDER ANY OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED BY THE NEIGHBORS? YEAH, WE DID. 
          AND THE FENCE, ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY WILL HAVE A PERIMETER FENCE, UM, BECAUSE THE POOL BARRIER CODE AND SO THERE'LL BE A FULL PERIMETER FENCE BASICALLY. 
          YOU CAN'T, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP TOO WELL HERE, BUT IT GOES SOMETHING WHERE THIS, WHERE MY MOUSE IS KIND OF MOVING ALL THE WAY AROUND HERE. 
          SO IN CLOSING ALL THE BUILDINGS, UM, OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, WE DID, WE DID CONSIDER THOSE ITEMS. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          UM, DID, UH, HAS STAFF REVIEWED THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU SUBMITTED THAT COMPARES A COMMERCIAL USE TO YOUR USE WITH REGARD TO WATER USAGE? WELL, ONLY SO MUCH AS THAT I SUBMITTED IT FOR THE PRESENTATION PRIOR, BUT IT REALLY WASN'T A REQU. 
          WELL, I'LL LET K I, OH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WATER USE ISN'T OUR AREA OF EXPERTISE AND SO WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY JUST DEFER TO THE WATER COMPANY FOR THAT. 
          SO NO, WE DIDN'T REVIEW IT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO OFFER, UM, COMMENT ON IT. 
          ENGINEERING , WE ALSO DID NOT HAVE THE CHANCE TO REVIEW IT AND ALSO WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE COMMENTING ON WATER USAGE. 
          WELL, IN MY MIND, THE CENTRAL ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE OF THE SPA COMES TO THE USE OF WATER. 
          SO I GUESS I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UM, SO YOU KNOW, AN INTERNAL REVIEW. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD RELY ASSERTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BEFORE. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          SO THE CITY DOES NOT OWN THE WATER COMPANY AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD HAVE THE APP. 
          WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANTS IN DISCUSSION AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE WATER COMPANY AND MAKING SURE THAT THE WATER COMPANY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEIR DEMANDS ARE. 
          BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE, UM, ANYTHING FURTHER THAN THAT. 
          AND YEAH, AND WE HAVE THE LETTER OF SERVICEABILITY FROM THEM, YOU KNOW, SAYING THEY CAN SERVICE THE PROJECT. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS PRELIMINARY STUDY SORT OF SHOWS THAT OUR USE IS ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, OR DEFINITELY AT LEAST LESS THAN A NUMBER OF OTHER USES THAT, THAT ARE, THAT COULD BE BUILT ON THE SITE. 
          AND SO, UM, 
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I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE WATER COMPANY SAYS THEY CAN SERVICE IT. 
          OUR USE BASED ON OUR ENGINEER'S ANALYSIS IS LESS THAN, YOU KNOW, OTHER USES IN THE ZONE. 
          SO WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT IT. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY, I MEAN, WE WILL BE TAKING, YOU KNOW, MEASURES, LIKE I SAID, COVERING THE POOLS AND THAT SORT OF THING TO EVEN FURTHER REDUCE POTENTIAL, UM, ENERGY OR, OR WATER LOSS. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE TO SAY. 
          MAYBE ALSO ADD ON, NOT NECESSARILY THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, APPLY HERE, BUT WE ARE ALSO, WE ALSO HAVE MEETINGS SCHEDULED, I THINK TOMORROW EVEN WITH OUR SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL FUTURE REQUIREMENTS OR CHANGES OR POTENTIAL REVIEWS. 
          AND WE CAN BRING THIS UP WITH THEM AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY, UM, IDEAS ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REVIEW SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. 
          HEY, MANAGER, IF I MAY, UM, I GET TO SPEAK, UM, WE WILL ALSO BE REVIEWING THAT DURING THE PERMIT PROCESS UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE, WHICH IS A MINIMAL CODE OF COURSE, BUT WE WILL LOOK AT GALLONS PER MINUTE ON THE FIXTURES THAT THEY'RE USING. 
          UH, WE'LL JUST DID I IDENTIFY THE FACT THAT THEY WILL BE COVERING IT? UH, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE ENERGY CODE, UM, TO HAVE SOME SORT OF VAPOR COVER TO, UH, HELP, UH, STOP THE EVAPORATION. 
          SO THERE ARE THINGS WITHIN THE, UH, THE PERMIT PROCESS THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE MEANING THE MINIMUMS OF THE ENERGY CODE. 
          BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE MINIMUMS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I, I GUESS I WAS SURPRISED WE DIDN'T HAVE COMMENTS MADE, UH, THROUGH THE SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR. 
          UM, AND THIS IS PRETTY HIGH LEVEL KIND OF INFORMATION THAT PERHAPS THAT PERSON COULD HAVE WEIGHED IN ON AS WELL. 
          CUZ I THINK WATER IS, IS THE CRITICAL CONCERN. 
          UM, AND A KEY ISSUE FOR ME FOR SURE, ALONG WITH THE IMPACTS TO THE RESIDENTS, UM, THE VOLUME OF PATRONS AND TRAFFIC. 
          AND, UM, I WANTED TO GO BACK TO HOW WATER IS BEING USED. 
          UM, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT THAT DEMAND IS GONNA BE. 
          I WOULD ASSUME EVERYONE THAT GETS A MASSAGE IS GOING TO SHOWER BEFORE THEY USE ONE OF THE POOLS, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND UM, AND YOUR POOLS ARE GONNA BE TURNED OVER OR REPLENISHED AND THE WATER CHANGED EVERY SIX DAYS, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE, THE HEALTH CODE REQUIRES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE RESTAURANT USE. 
          UH, IT'S A SMALL RESTAURANT. 
          WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THAT? UM, IT'S AROUND 1500 SQUARE FEET. 
          YEAH, ABOUT 1500. 
          1500. 
          SO HOW MANY WOULD THAT SEAT? UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE IT OFF MY HEAD. 
          IT'S IN OUR DOCUMENTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          I THINK WE'RE SHOWING ROUGHLY, UH, I WANNA SAY WE'RE SHOWING ROUGHLY LIKE 30 TO 50. 
          UM, THERE'S AN OUTDOOR DECK AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT WILL BE, THAT, THAT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, DETERMINED BY THE CODE CALCULATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, LET'S SEE, DID, UH, CARRIE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THE PUBLIC ART IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? UM, YEAH, IT SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE UNDER PRIOR TO, UM, ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          I CAN GET TO THAT. 
          DID YOU SEE IT, PETE? YEAH, I BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          SO THAT'S A 2D BE DETERMINED, BUT IT'S IN THE CONDITIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          YEAH, IT'S, UH, CONDITION 90. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, UH, FOR ANSWERING ALL OF OURS RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK. 
          WE'LL, I'M SURE COULD I HAVE 30 SECONDS? YOU CAN HAVE WHATEVER YOU WANT, GEORGE. 
          30 MINUTES. 
          . 
          UM, UH, THE KERRY, MAYBE IF YOU COULD ANSWER, UM, THE UNDERGROUND, UH, FOR DETENTION AND FIRST FLUSH, THEY'RE USING UNDERGROUND STORAGE USING 48 INCH. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE A HANUKAH QUESTION. 
          I HD PE PIPE. 
          IS THIS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DID AT, UH, UM, LAB? AH, A I TELL YOU, NO, NOT AT ALL. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE AMBIENT HAS ANY UNDERGROUND RETENTION. 
          UM, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT MARRIOTT DID. 
          THEY HAVE A MASSIVE, UM, PIPES UNDERNEATH THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND THEIR DESIGN, ACTUALLY, INSTEAD OF AN ENCLOSED PIPE, IT'S, IT ALLOWS, IT'S, THEY'RE MORE LIKE DOMES, ARCH PIPE, YOU RIGHT. 
          ARCH PIPE, AND IT ALLOWS INFILTRATION INTO THE GROUND, WHICH THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE COOL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT HAS 
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BEEN DONE BEFORE. 
          IT'S A ABSOLUTELY KNOWN THING. 
          QUITE COMMON. 
          GREAT, GREAT. 
          UM, LAST QUESTION IS, AH, Q ESTIMATE THE, AGAIN, THING ABOUT ENTE AND HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN TO BUILD THAT. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOUR CONSTRUCTION PERIOD OF TIME IS GONNA BE ONCE PERMITS IN PLACE AND, YEAH, I, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ESTIMATING 14 TO 18 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, UM, WANNA BE REALISTIC. 
          IT IS A TOUGH TIME RIGHT NOW TO, TO BUILD THINGS, BUT, UM, WE'VE GOT A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD THAT'S A VERY SKILLED CONTRACTOR, UM, DETAIL, VERY DETAIL ORIENTED CONTRACTOR. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, WE THINK THINGS WILL GO SMOOTHLY, BUT WE, WE STILL ANTICIPATE PROBABLY 14 TO 18 MONTHS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND I'M ASSUMING, UH, YOU DON'T ENVISION BLASTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE SITE? UM, NO. 
          I MEAN, THERE WILL BE SOME HARD DIG ITEMS, YOU KNOW, OR AREAS I, I'M SURE, BUT, UM, NOT AT THIS MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU PETE. 
          TWO, JUST TWO FINAL QUESTIONS, MADAME CHAIR. 
          THE, IN YOUR, UH, SPREADSHEET THAT YOU GAVE US, POOL BACK WASH 63 50 GALLONS, I THINK THAT'S A PER DAY, RIGHT? IS THAT, YOU SAID SIX TIMES? YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE, THE DAYS THAT WE DO BACKWASH IT, YOU WOULD USE ADDITIONAL WATER ABOVE THE 13,005. 
          AND IS THAT FOR ALL FOUR POOLS OR IS THAT PER POOL? THAT'S THE FULL, THAT'S THE FULL SITE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE SHUTTLE DROP OFF. 
          HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ROBERT, OUR TRANSPORTATION FOLKS, OR THE FOLKS THAT WERE, AND, AND THEN RELATED, WHERE IS THE VERDE SHUTTLE DROP OFF CURRENTLY? ALSO THINK ABOUT WORKFORCE TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ROBERT AND THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A ROOT PLANNED FOR THIS AREA RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY GETTING SOMETHING PREPARED IN CASE IN THE FUTURE IT IS, BUT THIS WOULD ALSO BE A NUMBER OF THE HOTELS, LOCAL HOTELS HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONAL SHUTTLES, SO THEY COULD USE THE DROP OFF AREA AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SO GOOD. 
          AND THE, AND THE VERDE SHUTTLE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF AIR. 
          ABOUT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ESTIMATE IT? UM, FOR THE SPA SPECIFICALLY MM-HMM. 
          , UM, WE'RE GUESSING IN TERMS OF FULL TIME, PROBABLY 50 TO 65. 
          OF COURSE THAT'LL BE MADE UP SOMEWHAT WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, PART-TIME ON CALL WHEN IT COMES TO SAY THERAPISTS AND WHATNOT. 
          BUT, AND ON FTE BASIS, PROBABLY THAT 50 TO 75 RANGE IS EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THIS CALCULATION, THE CODE DOES NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN USERS. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S A TOTAL NUMBER. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SHOT IT. 
          DID I NOTICE A WATERFALL? MM-HMM. 
           OR AN INDICATION OF A WATERFALL? IT'S ON THE DRAWINGS. 
          WELL, ON THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL THERE WAS A WATER FEATURE THAT KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE SITE. 
          WE REMOVED IT JUST AGAIN, BECAUSE OF A VARIETY OF REASONS. 
          ONE CONCERN OF WATER USE AND WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS REALLY NECESSARY TO SORT OF GIVE A NICE EXPERIENCE. 
          IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A SPA EXPERIENCE ITEM. 
          SO WE REMOVED THAT. 
          UM, THERE IS A WATER FEATURE AT THIS POOL, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE SORT OF LIKE A WATERFALL AT THE IDEAS WOULD KIND OF COME OUTTA THE ROCK INTO THE POOL, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A LARGE, IF THE CONCEPTUAL, THERE WAS LIKE A LARGE ACTUAL WATER FEATURE THAT WENT THROUGH THE SITE. 
          MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          I THOUGHT, AGAIN, JUST LOOKING AT IT ON THE COMPUTER AND THE SCALE DIDN'T REALLY, THERE WAS ONE CALLED OUT ON ONE OF THE POOLS. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS POOL, THAT'S, THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IT'S THIS POOL. 
          THE PLAN IS FOR THERE TO BE, AGAIN, THIS RENDER ISN'T, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE THERE'S SORT OF LARGE BOULDERS WITH A WATERFALL THAT COMES OUTTA THE BOULDERS. 
          YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY RECIRCULATING MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          RECIRCULATING OUT OF THE POOL, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          FROM THE POOL RECER. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, UH, LET'S OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, THEY'VE WAITED, WE'VE ALL WAITED A LONG WAIT THROUGH LONG, SORRY. 
          WAITED A LONG TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UM, ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME. 
          I HAVE JUST THREE CARDS AND THEY, UM, IF YOU'LL COME UP IN THIS ORDER. 
          SUZANNE GOSAR, FOLLOWED BY MEGAN SMITH AND THEN DANIELLE AND, UH, IKO LEWIS. 
          I THINK IT IS. 
          SUZANNE, ARE YOU IN THE AUDIENCE? OKAY. 
          AND WHEN YOU COME UP THERE, WOULD YOU PULL THAT MIC DOWN? SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME'S SUZANNE GOSAR. 
          I LIVE AT 30 PINEWOOD DRIVE IN OAK CREEK, K KNOWLES HERE IN SEDONA. 
          AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS. 
          I THINK THAT'S A VERY VALUABLE THING AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR 
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THE COMMUNITY. 
          YOU'RE IN A TERRIBLE POSITION BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU, LIKE ALL OF US DON'T WANT MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE DEVELOPMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU ARE DEDICATED TO HELPING ENTREPRENEURS AND PRIVATE BUSINESS. 
          SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, CONFLICTS. 
          BUT I THINK MOTHER NATURE HAS NO VOICE AND UNLESS SOME OF US SPEAK UP FOR HER, THE WATER IN SEDONA, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS ALREADY APPROPRIATED. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF WATER. 
          WE, WE DON'T HAVE WATER TO SPARE AND IT'S TIME THAT WE SAY ENOUGH WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DEVELOP MORE AND MORE PROJECTS IN SEDONA IN MY OPINION. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP MEGAN SMITH. 
          HELLO, MEGAN SMITH. 
          I'M FROM SEDONA. 
          I'M ACTUALLY AT 39 METEOR. 
          I'M IN THE HISTORICAL HOME NUMBER 20 RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PROJECT. 
          AND UM, SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT BUILDING NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE ONE ON THE TOP, TOP OF THE HILL. 
          AND UM, THEY THANK YOU FOR CH MAKING SOME OF THE CHANGES WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. 
          I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS. 
          I'M A LITTLE, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M FUZZY ON IS IF THERE'S STILL A TERRACE ON THE TOP OF THAT BUILDING CAUSE WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND. 
          UM, ANOTHER ONE IS, THERE'S THESE PODS THAT THEY PUT ON THERE AND WE'RE NOT SURE IF THE PODS ARE GONNA COME AROUND IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN OUR LINE LINE OF SIGHT SO THAT WE'LL SEE THE POD, THE POD PEOPLE , UM, AND ALSO THE ADA WALK, UH, WHEEL PATH, UH, WHEELCHAIR PATH. 
          UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE WHITE. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE AN EYESORE IF IT'S NOT TOTALLY COVERED UP WITH VEGETATION IN FRONT OF IT. 
          AND ALSO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC, JUST CONTINUAL FOOT TRAFFIC UP ON THAT HILL EVEN BEFORE THIS SITE. 
          SO I'M THINKING A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE USING THAT WALKING PATH, GOING BACK AND FORTH AND THAT'LL BE RATED IN OUR, OUR LINE OF SIGHT. 
          SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, WE HAVE TALKED TO, WILL AND OURSELVES HAVE TALKED TO ABOUT, UM, THE PLANTED TREES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BLOCK THAT BUILDING. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY THEY CAN AGAIN MAKE IT BLOCK THAT PATH IN ADDITION. 
          AND, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR THINGS TO GROW HERE IN SEDONA. 
          SO WE'RE HOPING THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, YOU KNOW, PUT IN BIGGER, BIGGER TREES AS OPPOSED TO SMALLER WHEN THEY CAN AFFORD IT. 
          UM, THE LIGHTING AND NOISE YOU ALREADY MENTIONED, THAT'S STILL A CONCERN, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR THEIR BEST TO KEEP THAT DOWN. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, COLOR, UH, THE RESTAURANT NOT CLEAR. 
          I THINK THEY SAID THE RESTAURANT WAS IN THE NUMBER FOUR BUILDING. 
          MAYBE I HAVE THAT WRONG, BUT IF IT IS, IS IT GOING TO BE OPEN FOR DINNER AT NIGHT? SO WE'LL SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY AT NIGHT. 
          I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT. 
          UM, HOSTING OF EVENTS WOULD BE OF A CONCERN BECAUSE THAT COULD YOU TRY AND THINK IT'S, YOU MIGHT THINK IT'S GONNA BE QUIET, BUT IT COULD GET, YOU KNOW, ROWDY  WEDDINGS AND STUFF. 
          UM, THE PERIMETER FENCE, WHAT IS THAT GONNA BE MADE OF? IS IT GONNA BE A CHAIN LINK TO KEEP KIDS OUT OF THERE? CUZ THAT'S AN EYESORE. 
          WASN'T CLEAR ON WHAT THAT WAS GONNA BE MADE OUT OF. 
          AND I THINK I GOT EVERYTHING THERE IN MY THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THOSE. 
          DANIEL AND IKO LEWIS, ARE YOU SPEAKING TOGETHER OR SEPARATELY? . 
          OKAY. 
          HELLO, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          HI GUYS. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, THANKS WILL FOR MEETING WITH MY HUSBAND AND I EARLIER. 
          UH, WE RESIDE AT 59 METEOR DRIVE, UM, AT OAK CREEK, UM, KNOWLES AS WELL. 
          UM, OFF. 
          AND SO OUR CONCERNS ARE THE FOLLOWING. 
          UM, IF THE ROOFTOP TERRAS IS ALREADY SCRATCHED, DOES THAT MEAN IT'S STILL KIND OF PRE-APPROVED FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON BUILDING FOR, UH, NUMBER TWO CONCERN IS A LOT OF, UM, PEOPLE ALREADY WITH SIRI AND DEVICES MISTAKENLY TURN ONTO CANYON DRIVE ONTO OUR RESIDENTIAL ROAD AND WE HAVE A VERY NARROW, UH, TRAFFIC AREA THERE ANYWAY. 
          WOULD THERE BE ANY MITIGATION FOR THAT SUGGESTIBLE, UH, SIGNAGE? LIKE, HEY, THE SPAS AHEAD, DON'T YOU KNOW, NOT ON CANYON 
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DRIVE OR IS WE, WE, DO WE EVEN GET ARABELLA RESONANCE ACCIDENTALLY TURNING THAT WAY AND THEN, UM, GOING AROUND AND, UH, THERE'S NO OUTLET, IT'S JUST IN, IN AND OUT. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO CONSTANTLY TURN AROUND IN, UH, DRIVEWAYS AND SUCH. 
          UM, NUMBER THREE, UH, WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THE OFFICIAL HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE SPA. 
          NUMBER FOUR, WE WOULD, UH, LIKE TO KNOW WILL THERE BE ACCESS RESTRICTED AFTER HOURS WHEN THAT SPA HOUR SIX, YOU KNOW, IS DONE WITH THAT NIGHT. 
          UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF RESIDENTS OF THE ARABELLA HOTEL ARE KIND OF, OF PARTIERS. 
          SO IF THERE'S NOT, WHAT IS TO PREVENT THEM FROM DOING THEIR SHOTS AT THE ARABELLA AND THEN JUMPING UP, WALKING AROUND THOSE PATHWAYS, YELLING, SCREAMING, PARTYING, UM, AND NUMBER FIVE IS THE PODS FACING THE CANYON DRIVE? W WOULD THERE BE AVAILABILITY TO HAVE FAUX FOLIAGE OR SOMETHING ATTACHED TO THE PERIMETER FENCING AROUND THAT AREA FACING US RESIDENTS? BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T WANNA SEE US EITHER, , . 
          SO, AND, AND THOSE ARE OUR CONCERNS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? NO, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND UH, WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          BE BACK AT, UH, IS THERE OBJECT WITHOUT OBJECTION? OKAY, WE'LL BE BACK AT SIX 40. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL RESUME OUR MEETING NOW AND UM, BRING IT THE DISCUSSION BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR AND FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND APPLICANT, PERHAPS ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY HAS POSED THE APPLICANT COULD. 
          WHY DON'T WE START THERE? WOULD YOU ADDRESS THE, UM, THE QUESTIONS, WELL, THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE BY THE NEIGHBORS? SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, LET'S START, I'LL START WITH THE FENCE. 
          THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE PERIMETER FENCE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PLANNED TO BE A, A, LIKE A METAL FENCE, RUSTED METAL FENCE. 
          IT'LL BLEND PRETTY WELL WITH THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. 
          IT'LL, WE'RE SHOWING A VERTICAL PICKET NOW. 
          UM, WE MAY USE A METAL MESH, RUSTED METAL MESH WITH, WITH VERTICAL ANGLES. 
          UM, BUT IT WILL MEET THE POOL BARRIER CODE REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT PART OF IT. 
          IT HAS TO, IT WILL FORM THE POOL BARRIER, BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT'LL BE AN ICE OR AT ALL BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL BE NOT VERY VISIBLE WITH THE VEGETATION, YOU KNOW, AS IT IS NOW AND AS IT GROWS IN. 
          PLUS IT'LL BE A RUSTED METAL, SO IT'LL, IT'LL JUST BLEND, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION. 
          SURE. 
          UH, SO HOURS OF OPERATION, WE'RE CURRENTLY THINKING 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM UM, BUT THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, STILL UP FOR DISCUSSION AND, UH, DECISION ROOFTOP TERRACE. 
          YEAH, SO THERE IS A ROOFTOP TERRA SHOWN ON BUILDING FOUR. 
          UM, IT IS PERMITTED BY THE CODE. 
          UM, AND WE'RE WITHIN OUR HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNER LAST WEEK, WE HAVE DECIDED TO REMOVE IT. 
          IT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN. 
          WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT LIKELY A MINOR CHANGE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT, IT DOESN'T ADD HEIGHT, IT ONLY REALLY SUBTRACTS HEIGHT. 
          IT'S A GLASS RAIL THAT WAS VISIBLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO YOU KNOW, TO SORT OF, AGAIN, I KNOW THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THEM ANYTHING, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WE, WE DID, YOU KNOW, REMOVE IT FROM THE DRAWING, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT WITH CARRIE. 
          UM, SO THERE WON'T, NO ONE WILL BE ON TOP, CORRECT? NO ONE WILL BE ON TOP. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          UH, THE QUESTION ABOUT RESTAURANT USE AT NIGHT AND SPILL OVER OUTDOORS. 
          YEAH, SO I MEAN, I THINK, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT RESTAURANT HOURS? I MEAN, IT WOULD BE ALIGNED WITH THE SPA USE HOURS, CORRECT? NINE TO NINE, YEAH. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S IN BUILDING ONE BUILDING? YEAH. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND YEAH, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IT'S IN BUILDING ONE RIGHT HERE. 
          SO THIS IS THE FURTHEST SEPARATED FROM SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S TOWARDS THE FRONT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, REQUEST FOR A LARGER SPEC, UH, SPECIMENS OF TREES INSTEAD OF WAITING 15 TO 20 YEARS FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK THAT IS EXPECTED TO SCREEN. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, NO, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY TRANSPLANTING A LOT OF TREES AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THESE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN GROWING ON THE SITE FOR HOWEVER LONG THEY'VE BEEN GROWING. 
          THEY'RE MORE MATURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UH, SO I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A BIG PLUS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE TRANSPLANTING A LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THEY BOXED UP NOW? NOT YET, BUT THEY, THE PLANT IS IN JANUARY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT'S THE BEST MONTH TO DO IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           GUESS THAT WOULD BE PREMATURE. 
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YEAH. 
          I WOULD ALSO ADD IN THAT THEY ARE USING THE SAME, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHO DID THE MARRIOTT PROJECT AND HE HAD ABOUT A 75% SUCCESS RATE AT TRANSPLANTING FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          WOW. 
          THAT'S HIGH. 
          UM, DID I MISS ANY, THE, THE SIDEWALK WHITE SIDEWALK. 
          OH, THE WHITE SIDEWALK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED, IT WILL BE A CONCRETE TO MEET ADA REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED WHAT COLOR SPECIFICALLY THE PLAN IS FOR IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, I MEAN, IN THE RENDER, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL RENDER AND, AND A BIRD'S EYE VIEW. 
          SO IT DOES STAND OUT A LOT. 
          THESE SPECIFIC PATHWAY WILL HAVE TO MODIFY BASED ON THE SITE CONDITIONS FOR SURE. 
          SO WE, WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MOVE AROUND SORT OF NATURAL BOULDERS AND, AND EMPHASIZE THEM. 
          UM, AND LIKELY THE CONCRETE WILL BE MORE OF LIKE A TAN OR SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, A EARTH TONE. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THE POOL FENCING PREVENTS AFTER HOURS ACCESS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND, AND THE, UM, JUST IN REGARDS TO THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE USING ELECTRONIC LOCKING SYSTEM LIKE WE HAVE AT THE HOTELS THAT WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, RESTRICT ACCESS GRANULARLY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO COME AND GO, BUT JUST CUZ YOU'RE A HOTEL GUEST, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO JUST WALK RIGHT IN. 
          UM, THE INTENTION AS WELL FOR UH, HOTEL GUESTS IS THEY STILL HAVE TO CHECK IN AT THE FRONT WITH EVERYBODY ELSE CUZ YOU STILL NEED A LOCKER. 
          YOU STILL NEED, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE WOULD HAVE 300 REGISTERED GUESTS AND THEN 200 PEOPLE COME UP FROM THE HOTEL AND JUST SNEAK IN THE BACK DOOR. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UM, WE FORESEE AS BEING POSSIBLE. 
           YEAH. 
          AND CANYON DRIVE SIGNAGE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY, WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH, WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED OR SUGGESTED. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF KIND OF GETTING INTO THE FINE DETAILS OF THE, OF THE SIGNAGE, UM, FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT RELATE RELATES TO THE ARBEL HOTEL. 
          AGAIN, THE BENEFIT OF THIS IS IT'S THE SAME OWNER FOR BOTH PROPERTIES. 
          SO POTENTIALLY SOMETHING COULD BE DONE AT THE ARABELLA, YOU KNOW, AT THAT ROUNDABOUT THAT WOULD MITIGATE PEOPLE TURNING OFF AT THE WRONG LOCATION. 
          SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE'VE TRIED, I KNOW THE, THE ISSUE, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT, WE CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, WITH SIGNAGE AT THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE, UM, I THINK WE'VE WORKED WITH SOME DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE SUBDIVISION AS WELL, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THESE PROPERTY LINES, THIS IS ALL ADOT PROPERTY THROUGH HERE. 
          I THINK THEY HAD TO TAKE THIS WHEN THEY DID THE ROUNDABOUT WIDENING TO GET SOME EXTRA PROPERTY. 
          SO KIND OF THE, THE, THE LOGICAL LOCATION FOR A SIGN IS AN ADOT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH CREATES SOME PROBLEMS THERE. 
          SO, I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT. 
          I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO GUARANTEE WE'D BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING DONE, NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH ADOT IN THAT LOCATION. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          YEAH, THAT WOULD BE EXACTLY, I WOULD SAY JUST LOOKING AT THIS MAP, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL, UM, JUST KIND OF NORTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT ON THE ABO HOTEL PROPERTY LINE THERE ON THE CORNER. 
          IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING THERE WHERE WE HAVE AN EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN FOR THE HOTEL TO INDICATE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE FORWARD AND WRITE ENS SOBAR POSSIBLY. 
          I HAVE A ARE YOU DONE, PETE? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          ARE YOU GUYS GONNA HAVE ANY SORT OF AFTER HOURS SECURITY FOR THOSE MAYBE OVERLY AMBITIOUS PEOPLE THAT MIGHT SCALE FES  NOT SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE YEAH. 
          . 
          UM, SO IF DRINKING'S INVOLVED AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN YEP. 
          16 YEAR OLDS. 
          YES. 
          WELL, AND WE, WE HAVE SOMETIMES WE HAVE PLENTY OF NEIGHBORS THAT, YEAH. 
          ANYWAYS, UM, , OH YEAH, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD SOME NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS AT THE HOTEL, SO, UM, YES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN IN MIND. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T COME UP WITH ALL OF OUR STAFFING STRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING AS OF YET, BUT, BUT YEAH, THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS, YOU KNOW, HAVE PEOPLE JUMPING IN THE POOL AT 2:00 AM RIGHT. 
          ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE COVERED AND THEY DON'T REALIZE IT. 
          AND THEN YEAH, KNOW SAFETY AND SECURITY IS A VERY HIGH I IMPORTANCE TO US. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK THAT'LL ALSO HOPEFULLY COMFORT THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL, THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, PREVENTATIVE MEASURES. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, GEORGE? THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PODS? OH, AROUND BUILDING FOUR? YEAH, SO THE PODS, I THINK I'M GONNA GO BACK TO A SITE PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU WANNA GO TO A SITE PLAN. 
          SO I THINK THESE ARE THE PODS THAT YOU'RE, THAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO. 
          UM, SO I, NOT THAT THEY FUNCTION, THEY ARE LIKE A LARGE PIECE OF SORT OF LANDSCAPE FURNITURE. 
          IMAGINE LIKE A LARGE WICKER SORT OF, UM, ENCLOSURE. 
          SO YOU WOULD INSIDE CUSHION? CORRECT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THAT TALL, SO MOST VEGETATION SHOULD, SHOULD SCREEN THEM EVEN AT, LIKE, IF YOU'RE GO OUT THERE TODAY AND LOOK AT THOSE TREES, THEY'RE TALLER THAN MOST OF THOSE PODS WILL BE. 
          BUT FURTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA FACE, THEY'LL FACE KIND OF TOWARDS THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, OR OFF THIS DIRECTION. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE FACING THIS WAY TOWARDS THE, THE HOMES. 
          SO I THINK THAT PROVIDES EVEN ADDITIONAL PRIVACY. 
          UM, AND UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSES, UH, THE CONCERN A LITTLE BIT ALSO WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE, THESE ARE ONLY AT THE TOP OF THE HILL, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ROLLING DOWN KIND OF DOWN THE BACKSIDE, 
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WHICH IT'S HARD TO TELL WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING VIEWING FROM THAT ANGLE. 
          BUT THE PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY KIND OF CUTS ACROSS THE TOP OF THE HILL. 
          SO THERE WON'T BE PODS LIKE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HILL IN THE DOWN SLOPE PORTION. 
          ANYONE ELSE? ARE WE INTO THE DISCUSSION PART OR ARE WE STILL FOLLOWING UP OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THEN WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PART. 
          , I OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          IN YOUR THANKS. 
          THANKS. 
          IN YOUR LETTER OF INTENT, UH, YOU STATE THAT IT PROVIDES A PUBLIC BENEFIT. 
          UM, IT'S EIGHT THREE E FIVE C CONSISTENCY WITH SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          THIS DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN AND IS A PROJECT THAT PROVIDES PUBLIC BENEFIT, UH, AND MINIMIZED IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS MOST SIGNIFICANTLY BY UTILIZING A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK, UH, MAKING SOMETHING LESS IMPACTFUL IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT. 
          UH, PUBLIC BENEFIT IS POSITIVE. 
          MOVING AWAY FROM THE NEGATIVE IS NOT POSITIVE , IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          AND PUBLIC PUBLIC BENEFIT, THE WAY WE USE IT IS THE GENERAL PUBLIC, UM, IN SEDONA. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO IF YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE PROVIDING A PUBLIC BENEFIT, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. 
          COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS? THE BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC? WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN THE SPA SERVICES IN GENERAL TO ME, I MEAN IT SERVES THE PUBLIC OF SEDONA, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO, THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT A PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR SURE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S THE SORT OF BIGGEST ITEM TO ME THAT'S A PUBLIC BENEFIT. 
          JUST THE PROJECT ITSELF, THE TYPE, THE TYPOLOGY OF THE PROJECT. 
          I MEAN, YOU COULD ARGUE THE JOBS THAT'S PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, TAX REVENUE, THAT OF COURSE IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT AS WELL, WHICH THAT CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH ALMOST ANY PROJECT. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT PROJECTS COULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE SITE, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS IN COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT ARE ALL PERMITTED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WOULD BE THE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF AN OFFICE BUILDING ON THIS SITE IS, I'M NOT SURE THEY'D CLAIM THEY HA ARE CREATING A PUBLIC BENEFIT. 
          WELL, YOU ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND I THINK ANY PROJECT TECHNICALLY IS, IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW KIND OF PROCESS. 
          AND I WOULD SAY THOSE PROJECTS DO PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT TOO, IN TERMS OF TAX REVENUE OR, OR JOBS OR OFFICES FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY WE'RE DOING THAT. 
          AND I THINK THE ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT'S PROVIDED BY THE SPA, YOU KNOW, FOLK CAN USE THE SPA SERVICES, UM, IS THE FACT THAT THE PROJECT ITSELF IS GOING EVEN FURTHER BEYOND THAT BY GOING UNDER THE SORT OF CODE MAXIMUMS THAT ARE ALLOWED WHEN IT COMES TO SORT OF BUILDABILITY OF THE SITE OR A VARIETY OF OTHER ITEMS. UM, SO TO ME THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS THE SPA. 
          AND THEN THE ABOVE AND BEYOND PORTION IS THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, OUR FOOTPRINT IS GREATLY REDUCED FROM WHAT COULD BE CONSTRUCTED THERE. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS, WHAT ELSE COULD BE BUILT THERE BASED ON THE ZONING? I THINK THIS IS A RELATIVELY BENEFICIAL USE. 
          I MEAN, THE NEIGHBOR, ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO COME OVER AND USE THE SPA SERVICES OR IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, OFFICE BUILDING, THEY'RE PROBABLY NEVER VISITING THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A PUBLIC BENEFIT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S ALL. 
          REDUCING TRAILHEAD PARKING TO THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA IS NOT A PUBLIC BENEFIT EITHER. 
          WELL, BUT I TECHNICALLY WE'RE NOT REDUCING, THERE ISN'T REALLY ASSIGNED ANY AT THE MOMENT, JUST ONE SPACE AT A MINIMUM THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE. 
          AND PLUS PROVIDING THAT SHUTTLE STOP TO ME IS ALSO A PUBLIC BENEFIT, I WOULD SAY FOR SURE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD SERVICE QUITE A FEW MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, UH, THAN THE KIND OF SEVEN SPACES, CUZ A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD, COULD USE THE SHUTTLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THIS SIDE? OKAY, SO WE, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? IS SOMEONE READY FOR EMOTION? UM, BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON, UM, YES, GEORGE, CARRIE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD FROM THIS POINT? WELL, SO THIS IS JUST A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, SO YOU ARE REVIEWING, IT'S, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T INVOLVE A ZONE CHANGE. 
          YOU'RE JUST REVIEWING IT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT ON A COMMERCIAL SITE. 
          SO, UM, FOR THESE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS, THE, 
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UM, PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TAKES FINAL ACTION UNLESS IT IS APPEALED. 
          SO IT WOULD BE OVER AFTER TONIGHT. 
          THERE'S A 15 DAY APPEAL PERIOD, UM, DURING WHICH EITHER THE APPLICANT COULD APPEAL YOUR DECISION OR THE NEIGHBORS COULD APPEAL, AND THEN AN APPEAL WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT WOULD NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL UNLESS IT THE APPEAL HAPPENS. 
          SO WILL CITY COUNCIL SEE THIS PROJECT? ONLY IF IT'S APPEALED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MA'AM. 
          SURE, YES. 
          UM, I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          UM, IS THERE A SECOND TO COMMISSIONER BROWNS? I SECOND LET, UM, LET ME STATE OF HEARST. 
          OH. 
          OH, RIGHT, . 
          YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. 
          READ IT PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER P 21 9 DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR SPA BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4. 
          AND SATISFACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          AND SARAH, YOU SECOND THAT MOTION? YEAH, I SECOND THE MOTION. 
          IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I'LL CALL THE VOTE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? SO, SO WE CAN SEE WHICH COMMISSIONERS THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED. 
          SO THAT'S HELP ME OUT HERE. 
          WHEN IT'S A TIE, IT'S DENIED. 
          YES. 
          A TIE, A THAI VOTE IS A, IS A, IT'S A DENIAL. 
          DENIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR THE COMMISSIONERS WHO VOTED NO, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR REASONS. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL START WITH MINE. 
          UH, ALTHOUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, LAND USE IS BY RIGHT ALLOWED I, IN, FOR ME, IT'S NOT RIGHT IN TERMS OF THE 20 YEAR MEGA DROUGHT THAT ARIZONA IS EXPERIENCING OUR PROMISE TO OUR RESIDENTS TO IMPLEMENT SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES AND TO SUPPORT THE, UH, ADOPTED SEDONA CLIMATE PLAN. 
          I THINK BECAUSE IT RELIES SO MUCH, IT'S CENTRAL THESIS IS TO USE WATER, TO REPLENISH WATER AND TO CONTINUE TO USE WATER THAT, UM, WE SHOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING PROPOSALS THAT ARE BASED ON THIS KIND OF WATER USAGE THAT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL BELIEVES IN. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS IN A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE HERE AND IN CONSERVING OUR RESOURCES CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO SORT OF ADD ONTO THAT, UH, SAYING THAT I'LL START, UM, BY, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL PROJECT AND I LOVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DID ABOUT LOW LOCK COVERAGE AND YOUR RESPONSIVENESS TO THE NEIGHBOR CONCERNS ABOUT VEGETATION AND SIGHT LINES AND, UM, THE ZEN QUIET ATMOSPHERE, UM, AND YOUR REMOVAL OF THE LODGING. 
          SO YOU'VE DONE JUST MANY TREMENDOUS THINGS HERE AND I I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE MORE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICIES HAD YOU REALLY DEFINED THE HOURS OPERATION, UH, AND, UH, COMMITTED TO NO VENTING. 
          BUT REALLY THE JUSTIFICATION FROM I KNOW IS ALTHOUGH YOU'VE COMPLIED WITH THE LDC, I THINK IN, IN MANY WAYS, I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, THIS COMMISSION AND, AND I LOOK TO OUR, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, REDUCED TRAFFIC, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, VISION, THEMES ABOUT STEWARDSHIP, IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW AND ECONOMIC DIVERSITY. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT IS, IS MISSED ABOUT WATER USE AND THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PARKING ANALYSIS IS REALLY GONNA, UH, WORK OUT AND IT'LL END UP BURDENING THE, THE, THE, THE LOCAL AREA SOMEHOW THE TRAILHEAD PARKING, UM, AND THIS UNKNOWN ADOT UH, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS YET. 
          SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO, AND WE MUST THINK ABOUT BALANCING ALL OF THESE THINGS, THE LDC WITH WHAT THE, WHAT 
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THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN SAYS. 
          AND, UH, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TO ME, UH, DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T UH, UH, RAISE THE LEVEL OF COMPROMISES THAT WE'RE MAKING RELATIVE TO THESE OTHER ELEMENTS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER, , I DEFINITELY COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER, BUT I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE TWO OF YOU HAVE SAID, AND I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BALANCING, IT JUST SHOWS YOU WE'VE GOT A SPLIT DECISION HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, IT IS A MATTER OF BALANCING AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT THREE TO THREE MEANS NEGATIVE, UM, A NEGATIVE VOTE, BUT, AND I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT MOVING THE PROJECT FORWARD IF YOU , I DON'T EVEN WANNA MAKE SUGGESTIONS IN THAT WAY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S OUT OF SYNC WITH WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, SO MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY I VOTED. 
          NO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU APPLICANTS. 
          MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR ANY EITHER OF THE MEETINGS IN DECEMBER AT THIS TIME. 
          SO THE NOTICING DEADLINE FOR THIS FIRST MEETING HAS PASSED. 
          AND THE SECOND ONE, I DOUBT WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING READY TO GO FOR THAT. 
          I'M SORRY, YOU SAID YOU DOUBT I, YEAH, WE HAVE NOTHING, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL THE POTENTIAL IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, SOMETHING COULD COME UP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OSTENSIBLY WE MIGHT NOT GET BACK TOGETHER AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY THEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL IF SO, HAPPY ANN, OR HAPPY, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY. 
          HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYONE. 
          UM, WITHOUT OBJECTION. 
          WE'LL ADJOURN AT 7 0 1. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU STAFF. 
          ALL OF YOU THAT SHOWED UP HERE TONIGHT ASSIST US.
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