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[1. Call to Order/Pledge of Allegiance/Moment of Silence/Roll Call]
IT'S FOUR 30.UH, LET'S CALL THE, UH, CALL TO ORDER THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, TUESDAY, LIKE I SAID, FOUR 30.
AND PLEASE JOIN ME WITH THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE UNITED STATES AMERICA.
WHICH ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY.
AND WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, READ THE, UH, ROLL CALL? YES.
THE VISION THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE FOR THE FUTURE OF THEIR CITY IS TO BE A CITY THAT IS CONSTANTLY VISIONING THE PRESERVATION OF ITS NATURAL BEAUTY, SCENIC VISTA'S, PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT AND CULTURAL HERITAGE.
TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS ITS SMALL TOWN ERRITORY AND CREATES ITS MANMADE IMPROVEMENTS, STRICT HARMONY WITH NATURE, TO BE A CITY THAT IS ANIMATED BY THE ARTS AND LIVES WITH A SPIRIT OF VOLUNTEERISM TO HELP ACHIEVE OUR COMMON GOALS.
TO BE A CITY THAT OFFERS EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL AND FOSTERS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, TO BE A CITY THAT WELCOMES AND ACCOMMODATES ALL OF ITS VISITORS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS WITH A SPIRIT OF FELLOWSHIP, TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS AND ENHANCES A STRONG, VITAL ECONOMY, WHICH PRESERVES EXISTING LIFESTYLES WITHOUT EXPLOITING THE NATURAL BEAUTY.
AND FINALLY, THE CITY THAT LIVES UP TO THE CHALLENGE OF PROPERTY STEWARDSHIP OF ONE OF THE EARTH'S GREAT TREASURES.
[2. City’s Vision/Moment of Art]
AND NANCY.WE HAVE THE MOMENT OF ART, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO AT THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING OF EACH MONTH, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE FOR US.
I'M NOT SAYING MADAME
I'D FIRST WANNA JUST CONGRATULATE MAYOR JLO, VICE MAYOR PUE COUNSELORS DUNN BOLTZ AND FIRM, AND FOR YOUR NEWLY ELECTED POSITIONS.
I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK ON YOUR FIRST MEETING TODAY AND TOGETHER AND GOING FORWARD.
SO FOR THE DECEMBER'S MOMENT OF ART, I'VE INVITED JOYA, THE BLUE-EYED SOLS TRESS FROM THE BAND.
SUGAR MOON JOYA IS A DYNAMIC VOCALIST PLAYING IN THE POCKET RHYTHMS ON GUITAR AND YU UKULELE TO A FUN MIX OF WELL LOVED COVERS.
ASIDE FROM PLAYING LOCAL MUSIC VENUES WITH HER BAND MATES, SHE ENJOYS SHARING HER TALENTS WITH CHILDREN AT PRECIOUS STONES PRESCHOOL AND THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY, AS WELL AS THE AHEA CHURCH CONGREGATION ON THEIR WORSHIP TEAM.
SHE ALSO ENJOYS OPPORTUNITIES TO PLAY AT PRIVATE WEDDINGS, LOCAL RETREATS, AND IN GROUP HOMES.
TODAY, SHE WILL BE PLAYING COVERS, KIND AND GENEROUS BY NATALIE MERCHANT.
ALTHOUGH THE LYRICS ARE PRETTY MUCH UNIVERSAL, WE'D LIKE TO DEDICATE THIS TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR GENEROUS TIME THAT YOU PUT INTO SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, HER SECOND SONG IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
MOVE ON UP BY CURTIS MAYFIELD.
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YOU SO MUCH.[3. Consent Items - Approve]
CONSENT AGENDA.UH, ANY COUNSELORS THERE FOR PUBLIC THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PULLING IT? ANY OF THE ITEMS? THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
DO WE HAVE ANY INTEREST FROM THE COUNCIL? NO.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH THREE E SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS, JOE? YES.
UM, AND ITEM FOUR APPOINTMENTS.
[5. Summary of Current Events by Mayor/Councilors/City Manager]
SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE DA OR FROM STAFF VICE MAYOR.ONE IS THAT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE TOYS FOR TODD'S STUFFING THE BUS, AND THANK YOU ROBERT, FOR ORGANIZING THAT, IT WAS A RAGING SUCCESS.
AND SO I WANTED TO GIVE A HATS OFF TO THE COMMUNITY AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE COLLECTED IN ONE DAY 295 TOYS 162 STOCKING STUFFERS IN FIVE BOOKS.
AND IT'S ALL GOING TO TOYS FOR TOTS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AMONGST EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S DOING THEIR OWN, IT SHOULD BE A REALLY NICE CHRISTMAS FOR THESE KIDS.
I ALSO, I HAVE SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR, UH, UPCOMING EVENTS FOR PARKS AND REC.
THE FIRST ONE WILL BE JANUARY 14TH, 11 TO 4:00 PM AT POSSE GROUNDS PAVILION.
THERE'LL BE RIDES FACE PAINTING, FOOD AND DRINK VENDORS AND YOUTH PERFORMANCES AND PARKS AND REC IS SEEKING VENDORS.
AND THE VENDOR APPLICATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED THROUGH DECEMBER 30TH IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED.
ALSO, GRASSHOPPER YOUTH BASKETBALL SEASON STARTED THIS WEEK AND GAMES WILL BEGIN JANUARY 14TH AND BE HELD AT THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL GYM ON SATURDAYS.
ALSO, BEGINNERS EDGE SPORTS TRAINING PROGRAM OR WEEKEND YOUTH SPORTS CLINICS FOR YOUTH AGES 16 MONTHS UP TO 10 YEARS OLD.
THEY'RE CO-ED CLINICS AND THEY'RE SIX WEEKS IN LENGTH AND REGISTRATION IS OPEN FOR THE WINTER SEASON.
THERE'LL BE BASKETBALL, SOCCER, VOLLEYBALL, AND A FOUR SPORT MULTI-SPORT CLINIC.
COST IS $96 PER REGISTRANT WITH REGISTRATION CLOSING ON JANUARY 13TH.
THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS OF ACTIVITIES.
PARKS AND REC IS ALSO ORGANIZING PICKLEBALL.
AND THERE'LL BE FIVE DAYS OF ORGANIZED PLAY AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK ON MONDAYS, TUESDAYS, THURSDAYS, FRIDAYS AND SUNDAYS.
GO TO THE PARKS AND REC, UH, WEBSITE OR UH, THE TAB ON OUR WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION.
AND YAPPY HOUR IS, UH, THURSDAY'S 9:00 AM TO 10:00 AM AND THERE'S A TEMPORARY LOCATION ON THE LOWER SOFTBALL FIELD WHILE THE PARK IS BEING REDONE.
EVERYBODY NEEDS THEIR EXERCISE.
TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS, 7:00 PM TO 9:00 PM AT WEST SEDONA SCHOOL GYM, $2 FEE.
AND THEN PRIVATE TENNIS LESSONS OFFERED ON MONDAYS OR WEDNESDAYS AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY.
ANYBODY ELSE? COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, THIS BEING CHRISTMAS AND HOLIDAY SEASON, I HAVE A RECYCLING TIP, UM, THAT, UH, WOULD REALLY BE APPRECIATED BY THE RECYCLING CENTER THAT DEALS WITH SO MUCH OF OUR STUFF EVERY DAY.
THEY WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE, OR I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE ON THEIR BEHALF THAT CHRISTMAS WRAPPING PAPER IS NOT RECYCLABLE.
SO WHEN YOU UNWRAP THOSE GIFTS, DON'T PUT THE WRAPPING PAPER IN THE RECYCLE BINS, EVEN THOUGH YOU REALLY WANNA DO IT, YOU REALLY WANNA RE RECYCLE IT.
ALL THAT MEANS IF YOU DO THAT, IS THAT THE STAFF HAS TO SPEND TIME TAKING IT OUT AND THAT THEY THEN HAVE TO DISPOSE OF IT.
IT DOESN'T GET RECYCLED JUST CUZ YOU PUT IT IN THE RECYCLING BIN.
SO THERE'S A DECEMBER RECYCLING TIP.
UH, I HAVE TO REPORT ON BREAKFAST WITH SANTA, CUZ THAT HAD A 350 ATTENDEES.
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YEAH, IT'S PRETTY GOOD.THE PANCAKES, 200 PEOPLE ATE PANCAKES.
180 KIDS VISITED WITH SANTA AND RECEIVED A GOODY BAG FILLED WITH FUN.
CAROLS WERE SUNG BY THE RED ROCK APPELLA ENSEMBLE AND THE ITTY BITTY PONIES BROUGHT OUT SANTA STABLE.
SO A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO SANTA RICK, KIMBERLY, THE PARK RANGERS AND AHEA CHURCH VOLUNTEERS FOR THEIR HELP FOR MAKE THIS EVENT AS WONDERFUL AS IT WAS.
[6. Public Forum]
RIGHT.NEXT UP IS ITEM UH, SIX IS A PUBLIC FORUM.
UH, THIS IS A TIME WHEN THE PUBLIC CAN CAN COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT COMING BEFORE US UNDER OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. I HAVE ONE CARD SO FAR, IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FILLING OUT A CARD AND SPEAKING FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
THE CARDS ARE IN THE CORNER TO YOUR RIGHT ON THE TABLE.
HAND THEM OVER TO THE CITY CLERK AFTER THEY COMPLETED.
AND WE'LL START OFF WITH, UH, OUR FIRST SPEAKER, WHICH WAS JOHN SPEAR.
JOHN, I THINK YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS.
YOU HAVE THE LIGHTS ON, ON YOUR RIGHT NAME AND YES, THANK YOU.
NA NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
JOANNE, YOU HAVEN'T STARTED YET, HAVE YOU?
SEDONA, CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NEW ROLES WITHIN IT WITH ELECTION RHETORIC BEHIND YOU AND THE WORK OF GOVERNING RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, I URGE EACH OF YOU TO STAY MINDFUL OF YOUR CRITICAL ROLE IN ADVANCING THE VISION RESIDENTS EXPRESS FOR SEDONA.
MANY OF THE MUNDANE, NITTY GRITTY AND SEEMINGLY UNCONNECTED ISSUES THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER IN THE MONTHS AHEAD WILL EITHER ADVANCE OR RETARD OUR COMMUNITY PLANS AMBITIONS.
TODAY, ALL OF US HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A NEW BEGINNING OF FRESH START TO DEEPEN OUR UNDERSTANDING AND CREATIVELY ADDRESS COMPLEX ISSUES THAT MATTER TO ALL OF US.
ACCORDINGLY, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL AS A NEW UNIFIED BODY TO DEMONSTRATE A WAY OF WORKING THAT MAKES CITY HALL A MORE WELCOMING PLACE.
A PLACE THAT IS NOT THREATENED BY A DIVERSITY OF VOICES OR DISMISSIVE OF IDEAS NOT ORIGINATED WITHIN THESE WALLS.
IF COMMUNITY MEANS ANYTHING, IT MEANS THAT WE MUST ALL TRY TO GIVE EACH OTHER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO ASSUME OTHERS' GOOD INTENTIONS.
UNDOUBTEDLY, SOME FOLKS WILL TAKE TO THE PODIUM, PODIUM THIS AFTERNOON TO VOICE THEIR POSITIONS ON VARIOUS AGENDA ITEMS. SOME WILL POSSESS ABUNDANT EMOTIONAL ENERGY.
SOME WILL MISS THE MARK ENTIRELY.
DEMOCRACY, OUR GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, IS A MESSY HUMAN ENDEAVOR.
DESPITE THE SPECTRUM OF THOUGHT EXPRESSED, WE ASSERT THAT EVERYONE DESERVES A VOICE.
I HAVE A FEW UNSOLICITED SUGGESTIONS FOR MANAGING YOUR MIND WHILE OTHERS ARE GIVING YOU A PIECE OF THEIRS FROM THE PODIUM.
ADJUST YOUR MINDSET SO THAT YOU VIEW SPEAKERS AS CONTRIBUTORS, NOT AS COMPLAINERS.
ASSUME SPEAKER GOODWILL, HONEST PREPARATION AND COURAGE OF CONVICTION, RATHER THAN PEG THEM AS JUST ANOTHER NIMBY NAYSAYER OR ENTITLED ELITIST RESIDENT.
VIEW PODIUM SPEAKERS AS YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE EMOTIONAL, FINANCIAL, ECOLOGICAL COMMUNITY, OR OTHER VALUES THAT ARE LIKELY SHARED BY OTHERS WHO DON'T SHOW UP AND SPEAK UP.
LISTEN TO IDEAS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AS POTENTIAL ENHANCEMENTS OR EFFICIENCIES TO WHAT THE CITY ALREADY DOES.
TRY TO LISTEN FOR THE CONTENT BEYOND THE TONE OR THE HASTE OF DELIVERY TO CAPTURE ANY NUGGETS OF CONSEQUENCE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN UNDERVALUED, MISSTATED, OR OVERLOOKED IN THE ISSUE.
LASTLY, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT YOU ACTIVELY SOUGHT AND HAVE FREELY ACCEPTED A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE FROM A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF SEDONA RESIDENTS TO BE SEATED HERE TODAY.
AS OUR DULY ELECTED PUBLIC SERVANTS, YOU HAVE AN IMPORTANT JOB TO DO.
THANK YOU, JOHN PUBLIC FORUM TOO.
OKAY, NEXT UP WOULD BE, UH, JIM BLAIR.
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UM, I'M JIM BLAIR.I LIVE IN, UH, SKY MOUNTAIN RANCH, AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR THE, JUST BEFORE YOU BEGIN, JIM, DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE AGENDA ITEM? NO, JOE, THIS IS SEPARATE.
THIS IS A SEPARATE, I I BELIEVE THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
I THINK YOU'RE OKAY, BUT OKAY.
I'M NEW TO THIS, SO JUST BEAR WITH ME
UM, SO, UH, I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH A, A GENTLEMAN WITH, UM, TO GET, GET THE POWER POLES FIXED AT OUR PLACE.
THEY'VE REPLACED, UH, SIX HIGH ATTENTION LINE POWER POLES, BUT WHAT THEY DID IS THEY LEFT ALL THE OLD POLES THERE AND CUT THEM OFF AT THE TOP.
AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING AND WORKING SINCE THIS EARLY SPRING TO TRY TO GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.
AND TO ME, IF I HAD DONE MY JOB IN MY CAREER ONLY HALFWAY, THEN I WOULD'VE BEEN FIRED.
THE THING THAT'S UPSETTING ABOUT THIS IS I'VE WORKED SUCH A LONG TIME, UH, IN CONTACT WITH, UM, OPTIMUM, UH, TO TRY TO GET THIS DONE.
AND THEY KEEP COMING UP AND SAYING, WELL, I'VE PUT IT IN.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE APPROVAL YET.
THEN HE SAYS, I'VE GOT THIS, UH, TRUCK WITH A BIG BUCKET ON IT.
I'LL COME TAKE CARE OF IT THEN NOTHING.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN YOU SAID WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO BRING UP ISSUES, I'D SURE LIKE TO GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THE THING THAT'S UNFORTUNATE ABOUT IT IS, AFTER I REPORTED THE SIX POLLS NOT HAVING BEEN COMPLETED, WE'VE GOT 12 NOW INSTEAD OF SIX.
THOSE ARE IN INNOCUOUS AREAS THAT REALLY DON'T NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT RIGHT WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE ON SKYLINE AND ELYSIAN DRIVES, THERE ARE JUST THESE BUNCH OF POLES EVERYWHERE WITH BIG, LONG WIRES CONNECTED TO 'EM, AND THEY REALLY SHOULD GO BE CONSOLIDATED INTO A SINGLE ONE.
SO IF I CAN GET SOMEONE TO HELP ME ADDRESS THAT, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, UH, JIM, WILL YOU, UH, JOHN RATHER, WE CAN'T REALLY COMMENT ON WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR, BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE MY CARD AND CALL ME NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS.
I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU IN SOME WAY.
UH, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, THEN, UH, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH, UM, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO START REGULAR BUSINESS.
[8.a. AB 2888 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for Preliminary Plat approval to subdivide approximately 6.5 acres into a 11-unit single family subdivision at 165 Golden Eagle Drive. The property is zoned Single Family Residential (RS-18) and is located south of W State Route 89A, south of Golden Eagle Drive and east of Carol Canyon Dr. APN: 408-10-060B, -060C.Case Numbers: PZ20-00007 (SUB) Applicant: SEC, Inc.]
OKAY.AB 28 88 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL TO SUBDIVIDE APPROXIMATELY 6.5 ACRES INTO AN 11 UNIT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION AT 1 65 GOLD EAGLE DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RS 18 AND IS LOCATED SOUTH OF STATE ROUTE 89 A SOUTH OF GOLDEN EAGLE DRIVE EAST OF CALWELL CANYON DRIVE, LP N 4 0 8 1 0 0 6 0 B DASH 0 6 0 C.
OKAY, WHO'S GONNA PRESENT? CARRIE? YES.
THANK YOU MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT, UM, CALLED THE REFUGE AT SEDONA.
UM, THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLATIN A LITTLE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THIS.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THAT, I DID WANNA TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO GO OVER THE PLATTING PROCEDURE SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY AND WHAT, UM, WOULD BE COMING IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE PLOTTING PROCESS IS A, A MULTIPLE STEP PROCESS.
THIS APPLICANT STARTED, UM, BACK IN LATE 2020, SO ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, GOING THROUGH THIS WITH A CONCEPTUAL PLOT, WHICH IS A STEP THAT'S REQUIRED FOR SUBDIVISIONS GREATER THAN 10 LOTS.
UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE THEY BRING A CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND STAFF REVIEWS IT AS WELL.
WE PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK AND GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION SO THAT AS THEY GO AND PRE PREPARE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF, UM, WHAT THE CITY REQUIREMENTS MAY BE.
SO THAT PROCESS FOR THIS PLAT WAS COMPLETED IN JANUARY OF 2021.
THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS THE STAGE WE'RE IN NOW.
AND THIS IS, UM, IT INVOLVES THE DETAILED, UM, PLANNING OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY INTO, TO DIVIDE IT UP INTO MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.
IT INVOLVES THE ROADS AND THE UTILITIES.
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UM, OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN REVIEWING ALL OF THOSE AS WELL.AND THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, THIS IS ALSO WHERE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS TAKE PLACE.
SO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THERE IS LIKE, UM, THERE'S THAT STAFF REVIEW, AND THEN THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEY GIVE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN CITY COUNCIL HOLDS A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKES ACTION ON THE PLAT.
UM, IF THE, UM, RESULT OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING'S APPROVAL, THE PLAT WOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP, AND THAT WOULD BE A STAFF REVIEW.
SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS AND IT WAS SOMETHING, UM, WHERE THERE WOULD MIGHT BE A CHANGE NEEDED, UM, IT WAS A MINOR CHANGE THAT STAFF COULD REVIEW, WE WOULD REVIEW THAT THROUGH THE REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS IN ALIGN WITH THE DIRECTION THAT YOU PROVIDE.
UM, AND THEN THE FINAL STAGE IS THE FINAL PLAT WHERE THEY GET OUT ALL THE FORMAT IN THE WAY THE COUNTY WANTS IT FOR RECORDING, GET ALL OF THOSE FINAL, UM, LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS AND ALL OF THAT DONE.
STAFF DOES REVIEW THAT AND CITY COUNCIL DOES APPROVE THAT, BUT THAT IS TYPICALLY DONE ON A CONSENT AGENDA AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO UNLESS THERE IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE PLAT, TODAY WOULD BE THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT YOU WOULD SEE THIS PLAT ONE MORE TIME WITH THE FINAL PLAT, UM, AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT, I THINK THEY HAVE THREE YEARS FROM APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLOT TO GO THROUGH, GET THROUGH THE FINAL PLOT COMPLETED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, UM, FOR THIS ONE.
AND SO FOR THIS ONE, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID GIVE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, APPROVAL ON IN OCTOBER.
UM, AND SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS.
THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE DETAILS IF YOU READ THROUGH THE PACKET AND THE, UM, THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEN YOUR AGENDA BILL AS WELL.
DON'T WANNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE DETAILS, BUT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT, FEEL FREE TO FEEL FREE TO ASK AND WE CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. UM, WE KIND OF WENT OVER THAT ALREADY.
SO THIS IS A PLOT FOR THE REFUGE AT SEDONA.
UM, AS A WAY OF ORIENTATION, THE PROPERTY PROPOSED TO BE SUB-DIVIDED IS IN GREEN.
UM, YOU HAVE 89 A HERE AT THE TOP OF, OF THE PICTURE.
AND THE, THE TURNOFF AT 89 A WOULD BE THAT THE ROAD RIGHT BETWEEN THE OIL AND LUBE AND THE MORTUARY.
SO YOU TURN DOWN THAT ROAD AND MAKE YOUR WAY THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION, UM, TO GOLDEN EAGLE DRIVE.
AND THEN THIS IS ACCESSED AT THE END OF GOLDEN EAGLE DRIVE.
UM, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR AN 11 UNIT SINGLE FAMILY HOME SUBDIVISION ON JUST UNDER SIX AND A HALF ACRES, WHICH WORKS OUT TO ABOUT 1.7 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, AND THEY ARE ALSO IN ADDITION TO SUBDIVIDING THE PROPERTY, PROVIDING A PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE FOREST SERVICE LAND TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IF WE COULD JUST, OR GO BACK HERE, THIS, ALL THIS LAND DOWN HERE IS FOREST SERVICE LAND AND THERE'S TRAILS IN THERE.
UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN DESIGNATION AND THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY ARE BOTH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ALLOWING UP TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
THE RS 18 DESIGNATES AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF A HUNDRED FEET.
UM, WE ARE NOT REVIEWING SINGLE FAM, ACTUAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME CONSTRUCTION AS PART OF THIS.
THIS IS THE PLAT IS FOR THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE LOTS AND THE ROADS.
UM, THE, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES WOULD BE REVIEWED AFTER THE RECORDATION OF THE FINAL PLAID AND ASSIGNMENT OF NEW PROPERTY OWNER OR PROPERTY NUMBERS.
UM, THROUGH OUR ESTABLISHED BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS FOR HEIGHT AND SETBACKS AND DESIGN OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND IS PROVIDED THAT THE HOUSES MET ALL THOSE STANDARDS.
THEY WOULD BE REVIEWED AT A STAFF LEVEL IF THERE WERE ANY EXCEPTIONS REQUESTED, SUCH AS A SETBACK REDUCTION OR A HEIGHT INCREASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO, TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THIS IS, IT'S TURNED ON ITS SIDE.
UM, YOU HAVE THE ENTRANCE OFF OF GOLDEN EAGLE.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK AS POINTED OUT IN THE AGENDA BILL AND ALL OF THAT, THIS PORTION OF THE ROAD IS ABOUT 150 FEET LONG AND IT'S ONLY 24.3 FEET WIDE.
SO THAT IS WHERE THE WIDTH, UM, THAT OF WHAT COULD BE BUILT IS CONSTRAINED.
ONCE THE PROPERTY OPENS UP, UM, THE ROAD GETS TO, UM, THERE'S NO EXCEPTIONS BEING ASKED FOR AFTER THIS POINT.
YOU HAVE, UM, A PATHWAY ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
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YOU HAVE A TURNAROUND AREA HERE THAT WOULD ALLOW VEHICLES THAT ACCIDENTALLY PULL IN AND DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A TURNAROUND.SO THEY'RE NOT BACKING OUT INTO GOLDEN EAGLE.
AND THE, THE PROJECT MATERIALS, DO YOU TALK ABOUT A GATED SUBDIVISION? THE GATE IS BACK HERE.
UM, SO ALL THE TURNAROUND AREA IS ON THE PUBLIC SIDE OF THE GATE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY OR THIS PROJECTS IS ALSO PROPOSING A PUBLIC ACCESS FOR THE TRAIL, UM, WHICH IS THIS DARKER LINE THAT KIND OF WRAPS AROUND THE EDGE OF THE SUBDIVISION.
AT THE GATE, THERE WOULD BE A SEPARATE PIT.
THERE'S A, WOULD BE A VEHICLE GATE THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ACCESSED BY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE SUBDIVISION, BUT THERE WOULD BE A PEDESTRIAN GATE AS WELL THAT WOULD BE OPEN DURING THE TIMES THAT TRAIL IS OPEN.
UM, THEN AS THE ROAD MOVES THROUGH THE SITE, YOU HAVE FIVE LOTS ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD AND SIX LOTS ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THERE IS A WASH DOWN IN THIS AREA HERE WHERE WHOEVER ULTIMATELY ENDS UP, UM, BUYING AND BUILDING A HOUSE ON LOT 11 WOULD NEED TO CROSS THAT WASH AND THERE WOULD LIKELY BE A BRIDGE AND REQUIRE SOME SUBSTANTIAL ENGINEERING TO GET ACROSS THAT.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT ACCESS IS NOT PART OF THE OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE REVIEWED AS PART OF A FUTURE HOUSE PLAN.
SORRY, THIS IS A LITTLE FUZZIER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF HOW THAT THE SUBDIVISION FITS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DON'T HAVE THE, THE ZONING DISTRICTS ON HERE, BUT THIS PROPERTY, AS I SAID, IS ZONED RS 18.
THESE LOTS AROUND IT ARE ALSO ZONED RS 18, A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH.
YOU HAVE THE RS 10 LOTS, WHICH IS THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE, SO A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
AND THEN TO THE WEST OVER HERE YOU HAVE AN RS 35 DISTRICT, WHICH IS, UM, 35,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE, SO A LITTLE BIT LARGER TO THE WEST.
UM, THE SUBDIVISION IS LAID OUT, UM, WITH A SINGLE ACCESS POINT AND IS PROPOSED AS A PRIVATE ROAD, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT FIRST 150 FEET.
UM, THERE IS PROPOSED TO BE A 38 FOOT WIDE PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AS I SAID, THE ROAD GOES DOWN THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THEY ARE PROPOSING A 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATH ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, RATHER THAN FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
THEY'RE ALSO INCLUDING THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE FOREST SERVICE LAND TO THE SOUTH.
UM, SO THIS, UM, APPLICATION WAS REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
IT'S ARE FOUND IN ARTICLE SEVEN, WHICH COVER LOT PLANNING, SENSITIVE LANDS, BLOCK LAYOUT, STREET DESIGN, AND EASEMENTS AGAIN.
AND THEN ALSO FOR THE FINDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE A, A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
AND THEN AGAIN, AS I SAID, WHAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IS THE DESIGN OF THE ACTUAL HOUSES ON THESE.
UM, SO AS OUTLINED IN YOUR AGENDA, BILL, EVERYTHING, UM, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, LIKE IT, WELL, WE REVIEWED IT ALL FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS AND THERE ARE A COUPLE AREAS WHERE THEY ARE ASKING FOR, UM, SOME EXCEPTIONS.
AND SO WE'LL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THOSE.
BUT AGAIN, WE CAN TALK IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST IS THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES REQUIRE TWO ACCESS POINTS, UNLESS CAN BE SHOWN THAT, UM, LEGAL TOPOGRAPHICAL OR ENGINEERING CONSTRAINTS, PROCLUDE PRECLUDES SUCH ACCESS.
UM, SO THE, THE SUBDIVISION ONLY HAS ACCESS TO ONE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND ARE EITHER FOREST SERVICE OR PRIVATE LAND.
I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME, UM, SOME COMMENTS REGARDING THE CITY'S WASTEWATER STATION TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS ALSO ACCESSED BY A PRIVATE EASEMENT.
SO EVEN THAT PROPERTY DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO ANOTHER PUBLIC ROAD.
AND THE LOCATION OF THE SEWER, UM, WASTE WATER FACILITY THERE, UM, UM, PRESENTS CHALLENGES IF YOU TRIED TO, TO PUT A ROAD THROUGH THERE.
SO THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION FOR A SECOND ACCESS POINT.
UM, THE SECOND, UM, IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT'S GOTTEN A LOT OF A LOT OF DISCUSSION, BUT THAT, UM, 24.3 FOOT WIDTH FOR THAT FIRST 150 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND OUR, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL, THE, THE MINIMUM ROAD WIDTH IN THERE, UM, WORKS OUT TO 28 FEET, WHICH INCLUDES AN 18 FOOT ROAD WITH FIVE FOOT SHOULDERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO 18 PLUS FIVE PLUS FIVE GIVES YOU 28.
SO SINCE IT'S ONLY 24.3 FEET, THEY ARE NOT MEETING, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THAT 28 FOOT WIDTH IN THERE.
UM, THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY HAVE IS FOR AN 18 FOOT WIDE ROAD.
SO MEETING THE ROAD REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE SHOULDERS BEING NARROWER THAN WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED BY OUR MANUAL.
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UM, ONCE THE ROAD, UM, OR ONCE THE PROPERTY WIDENS OUT, THE, THOSE SHOULDERS DO GET TO THE RIGHT, UM, WIDTH.THEN ALSO THE, THE SHARED USE PATH IS ADDED IN AT THAT POINT AS WELL.
BUT FOR THAT HU FIRST 150 FEET, THE, THE, THE VEHICLES AND THE PEDESTRIANS WOULD NEED TO SHARE THE ROAD.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A, A PRIVATE ROAD SERVING 11 LOTS, IT IS A FAIRLY LOW ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC VOLUME AND IT IS, UH, VER IT'S A STRAIGHT SECTION OF THE ROAD.
SO VISIBILITY AROUND A CURVE OR SOMETHING WAS NOT A CONCERN WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THIS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO, TO US PUBLIC WORKS, UM, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DISTRICT HAVE REVIEWED THIS AS WELL AND SAID IT MEETS THEIR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE, OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES THAT SIDEWALKS BE INSTALLED ON BOTH SIDES OF NEW ROADS.
THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS ROAD IS FOR A 10 FOOT WIDE SHARED USE PATH IN LIEU OF TWO FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS.
UM, THE HILLSIDE DEVELOPMENT AREAS, UH, SECTION OF THE CODE DOES ALLOW FOR SIDEWALKS TO RE BE REPLACED WITH TRAILS OR PATHWAYS.
THE HILLSIDE DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE THE STEEPER AREAS.
SO TRYING TO GIVE SOME MORE OPTIONS TO MINIMIZE, UM, DISTURBANCE OF NATURAL LAND.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, THE ACCESS TO THE FOREST SERVICE.
UM, JUST TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, CAUSE I THINK THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
UM, THERE IS A TRAIL THROUGH THIS PROPERTY CALLED THE HOMEY TRAIL.
UM, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THAT NAME CAME FROM, BUT IS AS THE SOCIAL TRAIL THAT DOES NOT HAVE, UM, A CURRENT LEGAL ACCESS.
UM, BUT IT HAS BEEN IDEN, IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN OUR THE GO SEDONAS PATHWAYS PLAN AS A PROPOSED TRAIL.
AND THAT PLAN STATES THAT EVEN EXISTING TRAILS, IF THERE'S NO LEGAL ACCESS TO THEM, ARE INCLUDED AS PROPOSED BECAUSE THERE IS A NEED TO ESTABLISH LEGAL ACCESS.
AND SO THROUGH THIS, UM, SUBDIVISION PROCESS THAT LEGAL ACCESS WOULD BE ESTABLISHED TO MAINTAIN THAT ACCESS TO THE FOREST SERVICE.
UM, THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL INCLUDE SHOWING A PRECISE LOCATION AND A WIDTH FOR THE TRAIL AND APPROPRIATE DEDICATION LANGUAGE ON THE FINAL PLAT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE REVIEWING FOR, UM, IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD TO, UH, MAKE SURE ALL OF THOSE DETAILS ARE ARE NAILED DOWN BEFORE THE FINAL PLA GET WOULD GET APPROVED.
UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME QUESTIONS, I THINK FROM SOME PEOPLE ABOUT, UM, TRAILHEAD PARKING.
AND SO JUST THAT TRAILHEAD PARKING IS NOT PROPOSED, IT'S JUST THE TRAILHEAD ACCESS.
SO THIS WOULD BE A LOCAL ACCESS.
UM, THERE'S NO TRAILHEAD PARKING RIGHT NOW, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A TRAIL THAT USERS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD USE, BUT IF, UH, PARKING WERE BECOME AN ISSUE, THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO REGARDING ESTABLISHING NO PARKING ZONES, UM, PUTTING UP SOME NO PARKING SIGNS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND I THINK, UM, ANDY, UM, WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THOSE THAT WOULD ENTAIL.
UM, SO JUST TO WRAP THIS UP, WE, UM, WERE, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM OUR DEPARTMENT, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DIDN'T REALLY HAVE COMMENTS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT'S FAR ENOUGH BACK, BUT THEY DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY RECEIVED, UM, THIS REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT HAD COMMENTS AS WELL.
AND ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED THROUGH RESSEM SUBMITTALS AND REDESIGN OF DIFFERENT PORTIONS IN ORDER TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ALL OF THESE, WELL, EXCEPT FOR THE, EXCEPT FOR AOP, BUT OUR DEPARTMENT, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DISTRICT WILL ALSO, UM, IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, WOULD REVIEW THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND HAVE TO APPROVE THOSE BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION COULD BEGIN.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID COMPLETE THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PROCESS.
UM, PROJECT DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN OUR, ON OUR CITY'S WEBSITE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT.
THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOTICED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND WITH THE POSTING ON THE PROPERTY AND A MAILING TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.
UM, THE COMMENTS WERE, UM, AS PART OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSIONS PACKET, AND I BELIEVE THE CITY CLERK EMAILED YOU A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED THIS MORNING.
UM, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
IF YOU, WE PROVIDED ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE'VE GOTTEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS.
UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING WHAT'S CALLED A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, WHICH GROUPS ALLOWS FOR A MUCH SMALLER LOT SIZE THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW FOR SOME PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE.
AND SO A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS WERE IN RELATION TO THAT LAYOUT AND THAT DESIGN.
OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEY HAVE NOT, THEY'RE NO LONGER PURSUING THAT THE CLUSTER CONCEPT, IT'S MORE OF A TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION NOW, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO TRY TO JUDGE WHICH
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COMMENTS YOU SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T GET.SO WE JUST PROVIDED THEM ALL TO USE IF YOU SEE ANYTHING RELATED TO A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION THAT IS NO LONGER BEING PROPOSED.
UM, SO AGAIN, JUST TO CONCLUDE, THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS FACILITATES FOR THE DETAILED PLANNING SUBMITTAL REVIEW AND POTENTIAL APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING IN OCTOBER, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BASED ON THE GENERAL APPROVAL CRITERIA.
UM, IT WAS A FOUR TO ONE VOTE WITH THE DISSENTING VOTE BEING DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, AT THE SUBDIVISION ENTRANCE.
SO NOW IT'S, UM, THE COUNCIL, UM, THE CODE STATES THAT THE COUNCIL SHALL APPROVE CONDITIONALLY APPROVED, DENY, OR CONTINUE ITS CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT BASED ON THE GENERAL APPROVAL CRITERIA IN THE CODE.
AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE.
BUT AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE AS WELL.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
BRINGING YOU BACK TO COUNSEL FOR A SECOND.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT DOES WANNA DO THAT? DO YOU, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU WANNA DO THAT NOW OR YOU WANT TO HEAR, UH, ASK YOUR QUESTIONS FIRST OF STAFF? I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS FIRST AND BREAK BEFORE COMMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW.
SO WE'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS NOW AND, UM, WHY DON'T WE START ON THIS SIDE.
UH, BRIAN, YOU WANNA START? UH, AND WE'LL WORK OUR WAY DOWN.
UH, SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE FOR THE APPLICANT, GARY.
UM, SO JUST FYI ON THAT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT'S GONNA BE A GATED ENTRY, UH, UP FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC.
WHAT ARE THE INTENTIONS AS FAR AS FENCING OR OTHERWISE? UM, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTING ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE, THE PERIMETER.
IS IT GONNA BE FENCED WALLED OFF? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION.
I MEAN, WE COULD BRING UP THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES TOO, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
SO IF YOU WANNA, SO YOU CAN EITHER SIT HERE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE CENTER OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, I'M TONY CULLUM, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PROJECT.
I'M A CERTIFIED REAL ESTATE SPECIALIST.
I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD NOW AS OF THIS MONTH, 40 YEARS.
IT, IT, IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ELECTION.
UM, HERE'S WHAT, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
LET ME DO THE INTRODUCTIONS FIRST.
I'VE GOT CHRIS TOR TORTORELLA AND I'VE GOT CHRIS ON GK.
THEY'RE GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, CHRIS IS THE DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT.
HIS SPECIALTY IS CUSTOM LUXURY HOMES.
THAT'S WHAT HE BUILDS AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S BUILT FOR 26 YEARS AND HE'S GOT AN EXCELLENT REPUTATION.
UM, THE PROJECT WE'RE PRESENTING YOU HERE IS 11 CUSTOM LUXURY HOMES.
UH, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT CARRIE MADE TO START OFF WITH AS TO THE CLUSTER TYPE OF HOUSING.
UM, THERE ARE, IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONING, THERE IS A STATUTE WHICH TENDS TO, TO LEAD TOWARDS THE CUSTOM PROPERTY, THE CLUSTER, THE CLUSTER TYPE HOMES, BECAUSE IT LEAVES SOME OPEN AREA AROUND IT.
WELL, THE SHORT VERSION IS THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS AND THEY'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB, BY THE WAY.
AND THEY'VE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED ON, ON, ON THIS CASE.
UM, IN DOING THAT, THEY ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THE FIRST ONE AS A CLUSTER TYPE OF HOME.
THE, PARTICULARLY AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED, BUT ALSO THE STAFF TOO FELT THAT THIS AREA WOULD BE A LOT BETTER OPEN, MORE SENSITIVE, MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA WITH 11 SPREAD OUT, WELL PLACED UNITS, CUSTOM LUXURY HOMES AS OPPOSED TO A, UH, CLUSTER TYPE OF DESIGN, WHICH WOULD PUT A LOT MORE HOMES AND A LOT MORE DENSITY IN THIS AREA, AND A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS.
THEY'VE MADE SOME MAJOR CHANGES IN TWO YEARS, HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO THANK CARRIE MEYER, WHO HAS REALLY SPENT THE TIME ON THIS PROJECT AND DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE HEADS OF
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ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, THE PLANNING MANAGER, UM, THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF.AND ALSO WE'D LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE RECOMMENDATION.
WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF, UH, COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LISTENING TO THIS AND WORKING THROUGH EACH AREA AND APPROVING IT FOUR TO ONE.
SO, UM, WHEN YOU GET A PROJECT, THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
IT SHOULD TAKE AT LEAST TWO YEARS TO PUT TOGETHER AND THEY SHOULD SATISFY EACH OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND WE'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE SEDONA FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO, WHO TOOK TIME TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND ALL OF THEM BASICALLY APPROVED THE PROJECT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, FAIRLY SIMPLY, UM, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND, AND TURN IT OVER TO, UH, CHRIS TURTLE, TURTLE AND TO KRISHAN GK.
UM, REMEMBER, OUR PROJECT IS 11 CUSTOM LUXURY HOMES.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE MARKETING.
UM, THE ONLY, UM, REAL QUESTION THAT, THAT, THAT I'VE DEALT WITH AND, AND DEALT WITH YOUR CITY ATTORNEY WHO'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB, IS THE, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL SITUATION.
AND ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SITUATION, UM, THESE ARE BEING MARKETED AND SOLD AS CUS CUSTOM LUXURY HOMES.
UH, NONE OF THE AREAS IN THE AREA IN, IN THIS ENTIRE AREA ARE RESTRICTED, UH, AS FAR AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON RESTRICTING THEM THIS PROJECT EITHER, BUT WE'RE NOT SELLING 'EM THAT WAY AND WE'RE NOT BUILDING THAT WAY.
UM, THE ONE DISCUSSION WE HAVE HAD ALONG THOSE LINES IS THAT, AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, IN 2016, UH, THE LEGISLATURE PASSED ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES NINE 500 POINT 38.
UM, AND THAT BASICALLY SAID THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES CANNOT STOP THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PROJECT THAT DEALS WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WELL, THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN TO ARIZONA AND THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, AS AS YOUR CITY ATTORNEY IS VERY WELL AWARE, UM, ON SEPTEMBER 24TH OF THIS YEAR, 2022, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSED AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED, UH, ARS NINE DASH 500.39, WHICH WAS A NEW LEGISLATION, AND IT BASICALLY ALLOWED THE CITY TO CONTROL FOR THE FIRST TIME SHORT TERM RENTALS, OR AT LEAST THAT'S A THEORY.
LET, LET, LET, LET, LET ME TELL YOU THE, UH, HE, HE HERE IS WHAT CAME FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WHEN THIS WAS SIGNED ON SEPTEMBER 24TH.
THIS NEW LEGISLATION WAS SUPPORTED BY BOTH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY AND THE CITIES AND THE TOWNS.
ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE SOME TINKERING WITH SHORT-TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION IN THE FUTURE, THE BATTLE IS OVER.
UM, THE CITIES ARE NO LONGER HAVING TO LOOK TO DEVELOPERS, UH, AND TO, UH, REGULATE THE CCNRS.
THEY NOW HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE SHORT VERSION IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
UM, THESE GENTLEMEN ARE THE INTELLIGENT ONES, AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ALSO.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE INTENDING TO HAVE A GATED ENTRY TO THE PROPERTY.
WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS AS FAR AS FURTHER FENCING OR, UH, SECURING OF THE PROPERTY AROUND THE PERIMETER? UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY BY THE WAY TO BE HERE.
AND, UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEW APPOINTEES.
UH, PEOPLE CONFUSE IT WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IF YOU THINK OF TONI TOTO CAN'T GO WRONG.
SO I AM THE HOME BUILDER HERE IN SEDONA FOR 26 YEARS.
I BUILT OVER 150 HOMES HERE IN WEST SEDONA ALONE.
UM, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC WILL BE RESTRICTED BY THE GATE.
I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF IMPACT ON WILDLIFE CORRIDOR.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE FUTURE HOMEOWNER TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANNA FENCE ON THEIR PROPERTY OR NOT.
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AND AT THE MOUTH OF THE ENTRANCE THERE, WHERE THE GATE IS AND THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THERE'S STILL THE ABILITY FOR WILDLIFE TO GET AROUND THAT GATE.THE GATE IS MORE SO TO RESTRICT THE TRAFFIC OF VEHICLES, CARS.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE PROPOSED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION? SO IS THAT GOING TO, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT BEING FENCED OFF IN SOME WAY GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SELLING THIS IS CUSTOM LUXURY HOMES AND THOSE FOLKS MAY NOT WANT TO HAVE THE NEIGHBORS? YEAH, IT WAS JUST BE ABLE TO MEANDER ONTO THEIR PROPERTY.
AND YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THAT, BUT I REALIZED THAT THE TRAIL WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO SEDONA.
UM, AND EITHER YOU LIKE IT OR YOU DON'T.
IT'S REALLY UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL BUYING A HOME IF THEY'RE GONNA CHOOSE TO, YOU KNOW, BE UP FOR THAT OR NOT.
UM, THE GATE WILL BE UNLOCKED ALL THE TIME, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, THERE'LL BE A SIGN THERE WITH HOURS THOUGH, UH, RESTRICTING ACCESS, UH, MAYBE WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THOSE HOURS BEING, I GUESS, UM, SUNRISE TO SUNSET PERHAPS.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT ANYBODY IN THERE AFTER, AFTER DARK, SO.
COUNCIL, FULT FULTZ, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
AND ALSO JUST ONE MORE THING, BRIAN, UH, GO, SEDONA IS GONNA HAVE SOME INPUT ON THAT AS WELL.
IF YOU DON'T MIND ON THE EXACT SAME TOPIC, TO GO A LOOP ONE STEP FURTHER, WE HAD A, UH, A RESIDENT SEND US AN EMAIL THAT WAS, UH, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, HORSE TRAILS, UH, AND, AND RIDING HORSES THROUGH THE CURRENT, I EVIDENTLY THEY HAVE ACCESS FOR THE CURRENT PROPERTY, UH, OR TRAIL.
IS THAT GOING TO, UH, CONTINUE? I SEE IT AS A PEDESTRIAN TRAIL, NOT A TRAIL FOR HORSES PERSONALLY.
BUT YET THAT THE, THE SURROUNDING, UH, AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS, I DIDN'T KNOW IT TO BE THE CASE, IS THAT THE, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, THERE ARE HORSE PROPERTIES AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY USING IT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO THEN RESTRICT, WERE THE, ARE YOU NOT AWARE OF THIS? I SURE.
UM, SCOTT, I'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR TWO YEARS NOW.
UM, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA.
AND, UM, I'VE NEVER SEEN A HORSE THERE EVER IN TWO YEARS.
AND I GO TO THE PROPERTY QUITE A BIT.
I RIDE MY BIKE THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME.
AND, OKAY, THAT'S ENOUGH FOR, FOR WHAT YOU TAKE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A NUMBER OF EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED, UH, VIA THE, UH, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND IN THINKING ABOUT THOSE, WE'RE WONDERING, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE COMMUNITY BENEFITS FROM THIS PROJECT THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, COUNCIL TO, UH, GO ALONG WITH THESE EXCEPTION REQUESTS? SO LOOKING AT THE, UH, PACKET THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR THE P AND Z COMMISSION WHEN REVIEWING THE PROJECT, UM, I'LL REFER TO COMMUNITY OF SON, COMMUNITY OF SEDONA GOALS, THE REFUGE WILL MEET, AND, UH, ONE OF THOSE IS ENCOURAGE DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
AND YOUR ATTORNEY HAS STATED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THIS IS A CUSTOM LUXURY HOME DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT, UH, LINES UP WITH DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT? SURE.
UM, I'VE BEEN HERE 26 YEARS AND, UH, WHEN I FIRST CAME, THE MEDIAN PRICED HOME I THINK WAS $225,000.
I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF $800,000.
IS IT OVER A MILLION NOW? OKAY.
SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO DEFINE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SEDONAS WORKFORCE, OBVIOUSLY NOT.
AND THAT IS AN ISSUE AND I'VE TRIED SEVERAL TIMES TO BRING PROJECTS THROUGH THE CITY THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
BUT AFFORDABILITY AND BUILDING COST FEES AND, UH, IMPACT FEES, SEWER IMPACT FEES, ALL THAT JUST MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.
UM, SO AFFORDABLE TO YOU OR ME OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MIGHT BE RETIRING IS AFFORDABLE? IT'S RELATIVE.
SO AFFORDABLE IN TERMS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING? NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYWHERE IN SEDONA.
UNLESS YOU GUYS DO THAT WITH THE CULTURAL PARK.
UH, I'LL SAVE COMMENTS TILL THAT'S TIME FOR THAT.
UM, SO ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, BENEFITS THAT YOUR, UH, PROPOSAL STATED WAS THAT IT WILL CREATE A MIXED USE, UH, WA IT'S SUPPORTIVE OF A CR CREATED, UH, A MIXED USE WALKABLE DISTRICT.
WHAT'S MIXED USE ABOUT THIS SUBDIVISION? HOW, HOW IS THAT A MIXED USE WALKABLE DISTRICT? CAN YOU TELL ME? WELL, WALKABLE IS THE KEY RIGHT THERE.
I WOULD SAY, UH, BEING IN, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL WEST, SEDONA, UM, I MEAN, I WALK A LOT.
SO I THINK THERE IS, UH, A GOOD WALKABILITY FACTOR HERE IN TERMS OF MIXED, UM, THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT VARIED TYPES OF HOUSING FROM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 1800 SQUARE FEET TO 3000 OR 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN WHEN IT SAYS CREATE MIXED USE WALKABLE DISTRICTS, THEY, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ENVISIONED A, A, YOU KNOW, THIS SUBDIVISION BEING
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AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IT MEANS, BRIAN? UH, MIXED USE TYPICALLY WOULD MEAN HOUSING, UH, BUSINESS, UH, MORE THAN JUST ONE USE.
SO MIXED USE, BUT IT'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, SO I COULD SEE YOUR POINT.
UM, MR. MAYOR, I'LL YIELD COUNCILOR.
UH, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU'VE MET THIS CONCERN BEFORE, UH, HAVING LISTENED TO P AND Z.
SO I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE CHOKE POINT AT, AT THE FRONT AND ONLY HAVING A SINGLE POINT OF EGRESS SO THAT IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, UM, FIRES WITH 11 HOMES SORT OF IN THE AREA, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WITH A GATE AT THE FRONT ON THE NARROW SIDE KNOW THE POINT OF EGRESS BECAUSE LEGALLY YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.
HOW, HOW WELL WILL PEOPLE REALLY BE ABLE IN A PANIC STATE? YEAH.
WHERE YOU SAY YOU'VE GOT 11 HOMES, YOU'VE GOT 22 CARS, YOU'VE GOT WHATEVER IT IS THOSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MOVE.
ALL THESE EMERGENCY VEHICLES ARE ALSO TRYING TO GET IN MM-HMM.
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU COULD JUST SURE.
EXPLAIN HOW THIS WORKS FOR YOU.
UM, ANY HOME BUILT IN THE CITY OF SEDONA WITHIN A GATED COMMUNITY MUST HAVE FIRE SPRINKLERS.
IT'S A CODE ALSO ANY HOME OVER 3,700 SQUARE FEET, INCLUDING GARAGE.
STEVE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON THAT, BUT, UH, THAT HAS TO BE FIRE SPRINKLERS.
SO, UH, JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'LL BE A GATE, ALL OF THESE HOMES WILL BE FIRE SPRINKLER.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S LOOKED AT THIS AND THEY'VE SIGNED OFF ON IT.
UM, THEY DON'T SEE IT AS A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S A VERY STRAIGHT A ACCESS POINT.
IT'S LITERALLY 100% PARALLEL, UH, TO THE LINING, UH, TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
SO NOBODY REALLY SEES IT AS AN ISSUE.
SO LET ME JUST, WELL, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THAT I UN I UNDERSTAND YOUR RESPONSE.
UM, SO YOUR RESPONSE IS THAT EACH OF THE HOMES WILL BE FIRE RETARDANT AND THEREFORE THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND REDUCE THE RISK OF FIRE.
AND YOU ALSO THEN ARE OF THE OPINION THAT, UM, GIVEN THE CURRENT WIDTH OF OUR FIRE TRUCKS AND OTHER EQUIPMENT, THAT THAT WILL, MAY REMAIN RELATIVELY THE SAME SO THAT THE, THE WIDTH WILL NEVER BECOME AN ISSUE, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, I HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE AND CANNOT FIT TWO CARS IN MY GARAGE.
UM, JUST SO I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF ASK YOU, THESE ARE THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE AS, AS WE'VE DONE THIS, CORRECT? I, I USE 18 FOOT WIDE GARAGE DOORS.
NOW,
SO JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT CHRIS WAS MENTIONING, UM, DEFINITELY AGREE THAT, UH, THE, THE FIRST HUNDRED AND 50 FEET IS BEEN A POINT OF DISCUSSION FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, OBVIOUSLY AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE KIND OF CONSTRAINED BY WHAT IS, UH, UH, AVAILABLE AT, UH, AVAILABLE, WHICH IS THE 24, LET'S SAY APPROXIMATELY 25 FEET.
SO COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT CIRCULATION.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO EMERGENCIES, UM, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER IT'S FIRE OR MEDICAL, PART OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE, UH, UH, KIND OF EMERGENCY VEHICLE HAVE NOW, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING IS LIKE WE ARE RESTRICTING PARKING ON THE STREET, WHICH MEANS THE, THE, THE TWO LANES WOULD BE ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE FOR, UH, INGRESS EGRESS.
AND, UM, ALONG ALONGSIDE THAT, WE DO HAVE THE, THE, THE FIRST 150 FEET WILL HAVE, UH, STILL TWO LANES, WHICH SOMEONE CAN TRAVEL, EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN TRAVEL, AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE REST OF THE AREA, THERE WILL BE ALMOST THREE LANES FOR AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE IF THEY DECIDE TO TRAVEL BECAUSE THEY DON'T REALLY NEED TO, TO FOLLOW THE SAME, UH, DIRECTION.
SO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT, UH, ALSO DISCUSSING WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO JUST WANT TO ADD THAT, UH, SO THE NO PARKING, UH, SIGNAGE IS GOING TO ADD TO THE OTHER, UH, OTHER, UM, UH, ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE'LL BE DOING TO THE, UH, THE HOUSE.
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION ALONG THOSE LINES? SO YOU MENTIONED HAVING, UH, RESTRICTED PARKING, SO NO PARKING SIGNS.
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THEN THAT EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO SELF-POLICE THAT PEOPLE REALLY ARE EN ENFORCING THE NO PARKING? OR ARE YOU PLANNING ON, UM, HAVING THIS ENFORCED THROUGH, UM, SEDONA POLICE? HOW ARE YOU PLANNING ON ENFORCING THE RESTRICTED PARKING? SO IN, BECAUSE THIS IS A GATED COMMUNITY, I THINK IT'LL HAS HAVE TO BE, UM, UH, CONTROLLED USING THE CCNR, THE NO PARKING.UH, VICE MAYOR, BEFORE YOU START, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I JUST LIKE, I A FOLLOW UP ON THAT TOO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, DID YOU JUST SAY THAT THERE'S TWO LANES OR THREE LANES AND WE'RE TALKING HERE THIS, IS THIS THE PINCH POINT OR IS THIS THE PINCH POINT? THE FRONT IS THE PINCH POINT.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S THREE LANE HIGH? I WASN'T CLEAR WITH THE ACCIDENT.
THE, THE FIRST 150 FEET THAT'S HERE.
SO AT ANY GIVEN TIME, IF WE TAKE THE, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, THERE WOULD BE TWO LANES AVAILABLE FOR A EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO, UH, GET IN AND OUT OF THE, UH, THE SUBDIVISION
BUT WHERE ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE WAS THREE LANES? WELL, AFTERWARDS, FURTHER UP HERE? YEAH.
IN THE EVENT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLE WANTS TO DRIVE ON, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN ALWAYS DRIVE ON THE, THE 10 FOOT, UH, UH, WALKING PATH ALSO IF IT NEEDS TO BE.
AND WOULD THAT WALKING PATH BE A MAPABLE CURB OR A REGULAR CURB? THERE IS NO CURB.
YEAH, IT, WE ARE, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE CITY STANDARD THERE.
THERE'S A STANDARD WE ARE CURBS ARE NOT REQUIRED.
KATHY, YOU GO, OH, I'LL ASK ONE AND THEN LET YOU GO AND THEN COME BACK.
CAUSE OUR MINE IS ON THE BOARD.
WHAT IS THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? SO IS THERE GOING TO BE, UH, A, UH, SO THERE'LL BE SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO PUNCH IN A NUMBER, RIGHT? TO ACCESS THE GATE WILL OPEN.
WHAT IS THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, DO YOU MEAN THE ACTUAL GATE OR THE KEYPAD TO GET INTO THE GATE? WELL, THERE THERE'LL BE A GATE, YES.
ON WHICH SIDE? TYPICALLY IN THE MIDDLE TYPICALLY.
UM, IF YOU COULD JUST PICTURE TWO.
UH, HOW DOES THIS THING, SORRY, IT'S BACKWARDS THERE FOR ME.
SO RIGHT THERE IS WHERE THE GATE'S GOING.
THERE'LL BE A COLUMN ON THE LEFT, A COLUMN ON THE RIGHT.
AND THIS, THIS SAYS RIGHT HERE THAT THIS IS THE ENTRANCE GATE, KEY CODE ISLAND A CAN.
WHAT? THAT CAN'T READ THAT
THIS SAYS ENTRANCE GATE, KEY CODE ISLAND.
ALSO THE RESIDENTS WILL HAVE A FOB THAT THEY CAN JUST HIT A BUTTON TO GET IN AND THERE'LL BE A CALL BUTTON, UH, AS WELL THAT YOU CAN CALL THE RESIDENT AND THE RESIDENT CAN CHIME YOU IN.
SO MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE PARKING AND THE IN AMOUNT OF VEHICLES, UM, ANTICIPATED, UH, FROM YOUR ATTORNEY'S PRESENTATION, IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL USE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS THERE.
SINCE THAT IS THE CASE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY VEHICLES YOU'D BE ANTICIPATING PER UNIT, BECAUSE THAT HAS TO, THAT WILL IMPACT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'LL BE PARKING ON THE STREET, WILL IT BE SUFFICIENT IN A DRIVEWAY? UM, IT IMPACTS THE INGRESS IN EGRESS.
THE CITY IS VERY CONCERNED WITH SAFETY AND EMERGENCY EVACUATION ISSUES.
UH, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THERE BECAUSE THAT THE WIDTH AND THE SOLITARY INGRESS EGRESS IS A CONCERN WITH THAT.
I'VE LIVED IN, UM, THREE GATED SUBDIVISIONS OVER MY 26 YEARS HERE.
UH, AND TYPICALLY, UH, WHEN YOU COME IN THE GATE, UH, YOU'RE RESTRICTED TO DRIVE ON THAT ROAD.
UH, THE CCNR IS REQUIRED THAT THERE BE GUEST PARKING PROVIDED AT EVERY HOUSE THAT'S BUILT.
UH, I LIVE IN FOOTHILLS NOW, WHICH IS ALSO GATED.
UM, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE STREET OVERNIGHT.
UM, BUT YOU CAN PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE YOUR CARS IN THE GARAGE.
SO, UM, BEING THAT THESE ARE LARGER LOTS, THERE'S GONNA BE LARGER, LONGER DRIVEWAYS, WHICH, UH, LENDS ITSELF TO A LOT OF PARKING ON ON PROPERTY.
SO HOW MANY, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT, HOW MANY SPACES I'M GONNA, ARE YOU, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LET KRISHAN IN CUZ THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE ABOUT IT AND UHHUH.
SO YEAH, I CAN'T EXACTLY RECALL THE, THE, THE NUMBER, BUT I BELIEVE WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT IT, WE ARE THINK TAKING INTO ACCOUNT LIKE TWO CARS PER PER HOUSE.
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UM, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS STUDY WHERE WE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION VERSUS PARKING.SO IN A, IN A SCENARIO LIKE THIS, I'M GOING TO GUESS AND KIND OF, UH, PIGGYBACK ON WHAT CHRIS WOULD SAY, THERE WOULD BE MOST PROBABLY SPACE FOR FOUR, FOUR VEHICLES TO BE PARKED, INCLUDING TWO IN THE GARAGE AND TWO IN THE, IN THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY WHEN THE ACTUAL HOUSES HAVE BEEN DESIGNED BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN THE, UH, THE PROCESS OF, UH, DELINEATING THE LOTS, NOT, NOT HOW THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BUILT.
CAN, CAN I JUST ANSWER FROM A CODE REQUIREMENT PERSPECTIVE? MM-HMM.
UM, AND A CAR, A TWO CAR IS, UH, A STANDARD PARKING SPACE IS NINE FEET BY 18 FEET.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION, UM, WE REQUIRE PARKING BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN A, IN A UNIT.
SO THE, UH, FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE, UH, UP TO FOUR BEDROOMS, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES.
UM, AND THEN FOR EACH ADDITIONAL BEDROOM YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE ONE ADDITIONAL OFF STREETE PARKING SPACE.
SO A SIX BEDROOM HOUSE WOULD BE REQUIRED, FOUR PARKING SPACES.
UM, SO FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE, UM, THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR FOR THE EVENT WHEN THE HOUSES ARE EVENTUALLY, UM, SUBMITTED, IF YOU KNOW.
BEFORE YOU BEGIN, LET ME THANK YOU.
OH, YOU MENTIONED IN FOOTHILL SOUTH THEY, THEY DON'T ALLOW YOU TO PARK ON THE STREET, WHICH IS CORRECT.
UH, IS THAT WHAT YOU PLANNED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? THAT THERE'LL MEET NO, UH, ON STREET PARKING EITHER 24 7 OR DURING EVENING TIMES OR WHAT? UM, DURING THE DAY WE WOULD ALLOW ON STREET PARKING AT EVENING WE WOULD NOT.
UM, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS, LIKE IN CASA CONTENT, I LIVED THERE FOR MANY YEARS.
ONLY IF THE CC AND R S CALLED FOR THEM.
IF YOU HAVE A GATHERING AND A PARTY, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA LET YOU PARK ON THE STREET, BUT NOT OVERNIGHT.
OKAY, SO I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE, SOMEONE WROTE US A LETTER IN THE EMAIL AND THEY MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS, UH, ADJACENT LAND AVAILABLE THAT COULD WIDEN THE ENTRYWAY IF IT WAS ACQUIRED.
IS THAT CORRECT? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT? NO, IT'S NOT THAT PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, AROUND THERE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN PROVIDING ANY PROPERTY AT ALL.
SO IT WAS SOMETHING WE DID LOOK AT.
THE, UH, THE CITY HAS SPENT A GREAT AMOUNT OF TIME IN THE LAST YEAR, UH, WITH NEIGHBORS COMING TO US CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ABOUT ACCESS AND, UH, AND THE FEAR OF, OF FIRE AND OTHER NATURAL, UH, EVENTS.
AND WE ARE, UH, ENGAGING RIGHT NOW IN A CITYWIDE ANALYSIS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND LOOKING AT MM-HMM.
UH, AND THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT ACCESS.
AND SO I WONDERED WHAT YOUR CONSIDERATION WAS IN TERMS OF, OF SAFETY.
AND THEN THEY COME TO US YEARS AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETED, ASKING US NOW TO PAY FOR SOMETHING TO HELP THEM OUT, MM-HMM.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S WATER, WHETHER IT'S ROAD WIDENING, WHETHER IT ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UH, SOLUTIONS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE LOOKING FOR.
BECAUSE NOW THAT THEY LIVE THERE AND NOW THAT THEY'VE HAD CERTAIN EVENTS TAKE PLACE, THEY REALIZE THEY'RE IN JEOPARDY OR THEIR FEAR THAT THEY'RE IN JEOPARDY.
AND, UH, I WANNA KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA BE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WHERE IN FIVE YEARS PEOPLE ARE GOING, OR 10 YEARS PEOPLE COME TO THE CITY AND SAY, SAVE US.
I, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT, UH, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WE HAVE A STRAIGHT 150 FOOT ENTRYWAY.
THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT'LL BE USING THAT ROAD ARE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
SO I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY BEING ENDANGERED WHEN THERE'S A LIMIT ON THE SPEED.
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UH, AND EVEN IF NECESSARY, UH, THE TEAM MIGHT DECIDE TO PUT A SPEED BUMP OR TWO ALONG THE WAY.UM, THE VISIBILITY THERE IS WIDE OPEN.
UM, AND LIKE WAS POINTED OUT, THERE'S TWO LANES, UH, TO GET THROUGH THERE.
SO I DON'T REALLY SEE THE DANGER, UH, UNLESS SOMEBODY WAS SPEEDING.
BUT THAT COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN ANYWHERE IN SEDONA.
I, YOU KNOW, FLASHING MY RAKE MANY TIMES AT PEOPLE SPEEDING DOWN MY STREET.
UM, SO AS FAR AS SAFETY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT VE ACCESS IN THAT 150 FEET? I'M TALKING ABOUT GENERAL, THERE'S ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT, NOT TWO AS WOULD BE.
AND, AND THESE ARE COMMUNITIES WITHIN OUR CITY THAT ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESS POINT, AND THEY'RE FIRE DANGER.
I UNDERSTAND ABOUT SPRINKLERS.
WE STILL HAVE FIRES, WE HAVE WILDFIRES.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY, THEY COME FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SPRINKLERS, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO PREVENT WILDFIRES.
IT MIGHT HELP TO NOT BURN THAT HOUSE.
BUT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE ARE PANICKED AND THEY WANNA LEAVE.
AND WE HAVE THIS, NOW MANY COMMUNITIES ARE COMING TO US FEARFUL BECAUSE WE ARE IN A, IN A HIGH RISK AREA.
UH, UM, I DO, UH, TEND TO AGREE WITH YOUR GENERAL COMMENT.
UM, THE, THIS SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO, UM, UH, HELP IN, UH, FEW DIFFERENT WAYS.
ONE IS WE ARE INSTALLING A NUMBER OF FIRE HYDRANTS.
SO LET'S, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIRE, THE FIREFIGHTERS WILL HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF ACCESSING WATER WHERE THERE WASN'T ONE BEFORE.
UH, AND AT THE SAME TIME WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE LOOK, UH, WE CHANGED THE, UH, THE END TO A CUL-DE-SAC WHERE IT COULD HAVE MUCH MORE, UM, BETTER CIRCULATION.
NOW, YOU BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT WILL THE CT BE BURDEN WITH FUTURE REQUIREMENTS.
IN THIS INSTANCE, IT'LL NOT BE BECAUSE THIS ARE PRIVATE ROAD PRIVATELY MAINTAINED.
SO THE, THE BURDEN OF ANY IMPROVEMENTS WILL NOT BE ON THE CITY BECAUSE THIS IS A PRIVATE ROAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS VISITING A FRIEND A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHO LIVES ON A PRIVATE ROAD, AND THE ROAD WAS RUDDED UNBELIEVABLY, AND NOBODY WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR, FOR THAT ROAD.
SO YOU HAVE 10, UH, HOMEOWNERS, LET'S SAY, OR 12 HOMEOWNERS, AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE.
AND WE HAVE THAT ALL OVER THE CITY AS WELL.
I'VE DONE, UM, SEVERAL SUBDIVISIONS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, AND WE ALWAYS HAVE A ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
AND, UM, HOMEOWNERS DUES, UH, COVER THE MAINTENANCE OF, SO THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.
IF YOU LIVE THERE, YOU HAVE TO PAY INTO A FUND THAT IS THERE TO RESTORE THE ROAD.
WE DON'T, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ROADS LIKE THAT.
WELL, DO YOU HAVE JUST TAG ONTO QUESTION? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT WITH WHAT YOU, I WAS GONNA CHANGE THIS.
I WAS GOING TO GO TO ANOTHER SUBJECT.
UM, THE VICE MARY ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT ADJACENT PROPERTIES, AND YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T OWN ADJACENT PROPERTIES, BUT YET, AND WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS, UH, THE EMAILS THAT WE DO RECEIVE FROM RESIDENTS.
AND ONE WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THERE ARE TWO LOTS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE, AND IF I, I'M GOING TO GO BY WHAT YOU TELL ME, BUT THERE ARE TWO LOTS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE SAME BUILDER ADJACENT TO THE REFUGE THAT SEEM TO, AND IT'S NEVER COME UP.
DO YOU OWN ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THIS PROJECT? I DO NOT.
AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE AT ALL.
I DO KNOW THE GENTLEMAN HE OWN WHO OWNS BOTH OF THOSE LOTS.
I'VE BUILT A HOUSE FOR HIM IN TOWN, SO THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.
I ONLY OWN, WELL, LET ME CLARIFY.
THIS PROPERTY WE'RE DEVELOPING IS IN TWO PARCELS.
SO THAT, YEAH, I DO OWN, AND THAT IS THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT I OWN THERE, BESIDES MY HOUSE IN, AROUND THE BLOCK.
AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THOSE TWO LOTS WOULD HELP WITH THE PINCH POINT.
NO, THEY COULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY'RE NOT THE OTHER BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY NOT EVEN ADJOINING THIS PROPERTY.
SO THEY'RE NOT CONTIGUOUS AT ALL.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I CAN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO, I CAN.
ACTUALLY, UM, THEY ARE RIGHT OVER HERE.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT HERE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THAT THEN.
THERE'S A LOT HERE AND A LOT HERE THAT I DO KNOW THE OWNER OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
I BUILT THE HOUSE FOR HIM UPTOWN.
AND IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT ADJOIN MY PROPERTY AT ALL.
SO THERE'S NO OTHER OPPORTUNITY TO ADD TO THE, THE PROJECT AND ADD A SECOND MEANS OF EGRESS.
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WITH THE ROAD WIDTH, UH, IN THAT OTHER PROPERTY IF IT EVEN WERE BORDERING MY PROPERTY.I I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT WATER AND, UM, UH, WILL THE CARROLL CANYON AND OAK CREEK BE PROTECTED FROM RUNOFF DUE TO CAR WASHING, PESTICIDES, OTHER HARMFUL PRO PRODUCTS THAT WOULD BE PASSED INTO THE DITCH? UH, YES.
WE, THE SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED FOR THE CITY STANDARDS, UH, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE DETENTION RETENTION REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO ADHERE TO.
UH, AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING CARE OF THE FIRST FLUSH, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST HALF INCH OF POLY POLLUTANTS THAT WOULD BE, UH, MAYBE CONVEYING ANY POLY POLLUTANTS IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A RAIN.
SO, UH, PRETTY MUCH THE SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO FOLLOW, UH, THE, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT IS, UH, SPECIFIED BY THE, UH, THE, THE CITY STANDARDS.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING DITCH THERE? UH, WHEN YOU SAY EXISTING DITCH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CAROL CANYON? WELL, FOR DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A WASH, UH, WASH THERE, CAROL CANYON, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE CAROL CANYON.
WE, WE ARE GOING TO PROTECT IT SO THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE FURTHER EROSION.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT IS, IT IS, UH, UH, IT IS A MAJOR WASH, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE LOT OF OVERSIGHT STARTING WITH THE CITY AND, AND ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CT, A D W R, UH, FEMA AND EVEN ARMY CORPS ENGINEERS ARE GOING TO BE, SO THERE, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE BEFORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING
AND, AND THAT WOULD KIND OF, UH, WITH, I DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO ANY OTHER, BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA IS, IS GOING TO HAVE LOT OF SCRUTINY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IT IS, UH, PROPERLY MITIGATED.
AND SO THIS IS GONNA INCREASE THE POTENTIAL FOR EROSION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN REMEDIATION EFFORTS.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? RIGHT HERE IT SAYS EROSION PROTECTION IN MM-HMM.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE THOUGH? UH, IN THE INITIAL STAGES, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, SOMETHING CALLED, UH, UH, RENO MATTRESS.
UM, IT IS, IF YOU HAVE SEEN GABRIEL BASKETS WITH THE, THE WIRE MESH WITH THE, THE ROCKS INSIDE, IT IS A PRODUCT OF THAT NATURE, UH, WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF LAID ALONGSIDE THE BANK, WHICH WOULD PROTECT THE, THE, THE BANK.
AND ACTUALLY, I HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF, UH, PROJECTS, UH, ON CAROL CANYON, UH, BANKS, WHICH THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD EROSIONS, AND WE HAVE HAD VERY GOOD SUCCESS, UH, DOING THAT.
SO, UH, WHILE IT IS NOT FINALIZED, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ENGINEERING AND MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET ALL THE STANDARDS, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW, THAT IS WHAT I AM, UH, THINKING THAT WE MIGHT PUT OUT THERE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE LEARNED THAT WE DON'T, WE WANNA, WE DON'T WANNA RELY ON EXTERNAL AGENCIES TO MANAGE, YOU KNOW, TO DRIVE THE MANAGEMENT.
WE, WE WANNA BE OURSELVES TAKING THOSE ACTIONS AND, AND NOT WAIT FOR AD EQ OR SOME OTHER STATE AGENCY TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE LOOKING OVER, OVER BECAUSE THEY DON'T
AND SO WE'VE GOTTA ENSURE OURSELVES THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THESE ISSUES.
I THINK, UH, BOW AND, UH, BEYOND ANYBODY ELSE, UH, IT IS IN, IN THE PROJECT'S BEST INTEREST.
FOR EXAMPLE, AGAIN, AGREEING WITH YOU, IF THAT BANK IS NOT PROPERLY PROTECTED, THE FIRST THING THAT'S GOING TO FAIL IS THE CUL-DE-SAC.
AND GUESS WHO IS GOING TO BE BUILDING IT UP? IT WOULD BE THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE DEVELOPERS.
SO, SO I, I DO AGREE WITH YOU, BUT IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST ABOVE AND BEYOND ANYBODY ELSE TO MAKE THIS.
UH, AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING THE, THE COST OF THE HOUSING WILL BE? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE RANGE THAT YOU'RE THINKING? THAT'S DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER.
UM, HOMES IN SEDONA ARE SELLING ANYWHERE FROM 500 TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT, UM, WITH THE ECONOMY TAKING ITS TURN.
AND I THINK WE ALL MIGHT AGREE WE ARE IN A BIT OF A RECESSION.
SO, UH, REAL ESTATE HASN'T REALLY, UM, I DON'T THINK
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WE'RE REALLY GONNA KNOW FOR ANOTHER SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF COSTS, BUILDING COSTS, UH, AS WELL AS WHAT, WHAT PRICE RANGE.BUT MY GUESS IS THEY'D PROBABLY BE A MILLION DOLLARS, I WOULD THINK, TO MAYBE ONE, TWO.
BUT THAT'S REALLY HARD TO DETERMINE AT THIS POINT.
YOU KNOW, THAT, I MEAN, IT'S SO EXPENSIVE.
THE AVERAGE, WELL, HOME PRICE NOW A MILLION DOLLARS, THAT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARILY THE LUXURY MARKET.
WELL, IT'S LIKE THE AVERAGE MARKET, THE WAY I FINISH HOMES ARE HIGH, VERY HIGH LUXURY.
IF THE UNITS, IF THE LOTS WERE LAID OUT DIFFERENTLY, OR IF THERE WAS LESS UNITS, ONE LESS UNIT, TWO LESS UNITS, WHATEVER IT IS, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO LAY IT OUT IN A WAY THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE PROPER WIDTH FOR THE ROADWAY UP AT THE BEGINNING? NO.
THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS CONSTRAINED THERE, SO THERE'S NOTHING WITH THE LOT LAYOUT THAT IS AFFECTING THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT THE PROPERTY IS ONLY 24.3 FEET WIDE AT THAT POINT.
SO ANY, ANYTHING IS GOING TO BE CONSTRAINED.
SO YOU HAD SAID BEFORE, UM, SIR, THAT YOU WOULD BE USING THE CCN RS TO RESTRICT THE PARKING AND TO BE MAKING SURE THAT ROAD MAINTENANCE IS TAKEN CARE OF.
SO YOU ALREADY HAVE PLANS FOR AN ACTIVE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO BE THERE.
IT'S REQUIRED BY THE ARIZONA, UH, DEPARTMENT OF STATE REAL REAL ESTATE, ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF REAL ESTATE.
IT'S REQUIRED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOVERNING CCRS IN THE SUBDIVISION.
WELL, AND THAT MIGHT BE SO ACCORDING TO THE ARIZONA STATE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT AN, UH, CCNRS OR THE HOAS CAN'T GO DEFUNCT AT WHICH TIME IT LEAVES THE ORG THE HOMEOWNERS WITH NOTHING.
AND WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, AS MANY AS FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT HOAS THAT HAVE GONE DEFUNCT SINCE THE INCORPORATION OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND IT HAS LEFT, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS WITH NOTHING.
I, I CAN'T COMMENT ON ANY OF THOSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
BUT THE ONES THAT I'VE DONE AND THE ONES THAT I'VE LIVED IN ARE VERY WELL CAPITALIZED BECAUSE THEY'RE RUN PROFESSIONALLY AND THERE'S DUES THAT ARE COLLECTED EVERY MONTH, AND EVERY TIME A PROPERTY TRANSFERS, UM, THERE'S A TRANSFER FEE THAT HELPS BUILD UP THOSE RESERVES.
AND HOW LONG WILL YOU, AS DEVELOPER MAINTAIN AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE HOA? DOES IT, DOES IT, DO YOU PHASE OUT WHEN X AMOUNT ARE BUILT OR X AMOUNT ARE SOLD? OR HOW, HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
TYPICALLY, IT'S, I BELIEVE 80%, UH, PAW SELLOUT, AND THEN YOU RAISE UP A BOARD, OR YOU CAN HIRE AN OUTSIDE MANAGEMENT COMPANY LIKE HOME CO, WHICH IS QUITE COMMON.
AND THEY'RE VERY WELL CAPITALIZED, BY THE WAY.
THAT'S FOR THE MANAGING AGENT.
BUT THERE WOULD STILL BE AN ACTIVE ROLE FOR THE, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNER.
SO WHEN YOU SAY 80%, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE AT 80%, I THINK WHEN 80% ARE SOLD OUT, UH, LOT.
WELL, IT, IT, WHATEVER 80% OF 11 HOMES ARE.
ARE YOU, IS THERE A SITUATION WHERE YOU WOULD BE SELLING ANY OF THE LOTS, UM, WITHOUT THE HOUSE BEING BUILT ON IT? OR DO YOU PLAN ON BUILDING EVERY SINGLE HOUSE AND SELLING THE HOUSES AN AS-BUILT HOUSE? DEPENDS HOW MUCH, UH, MORE YEARS I HAVE ON EARTH.
BUT YEAH, IT COULD TAKE A WHILE TO BUILD THEM
BUT YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THEM ALL OUT.
BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I WILL IF I'M IN GOOD HEALTH AND I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.
UH, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS THAT MY FELLOW COUNSELORS HAVE ASKED ON THIS MATTER SO FAR.
I WON'T REPEAT THEM, BUT I WILL, UM, GIVE MY PERSPECTIVE FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING THAT WAS HELD AS MENTIONED.
AND AT THAT, YOUR COMMENTS YEAH.
AND, UH, AT THAT TIME, THE, THE MAJOR CONCERN AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED ABOUT THIS FIRE SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL.
AND I THINK I EXPRESSED ON THE DIOCESE AT THE TIME ABOUT THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REVIEWED THE, THE DOCUMENT, BUT DIDN'T COMMENT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SAFETY.
AND CARRIE, AT THAT TIME, I, I EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM FIRE.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE, WE MEANING STAFF, WHETHER IT WAS YOU OR SOMEBODY AND STAFF HAS HAD SPECIFIC FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH FIRE ABOUT THEIR SPECIFIC VIEW ON THE SAFETY ISSUES AND THE ROAD WIDTH AND THE TURNAROUND AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
CAN YOU COMMENT FURTHER FOR EVERYONE'S CLARIFICATION ON THAT? SO I THINK KAREN TALKED TO THEM AS WELL, UM, BUT IN MY CONVERSATIONS, THEY SAID IT, THEY REQUIRE 20
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FOOT CLEAR, AND SO A 24 FOOT WIDE AREA, UM, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THEIR NEEDS.SO MANY OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING THE DEVELOPERS ARE RESPONDING HERE, AND I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE CLEAR THAT THESE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY PUT TO A SEDONA FIRE.
AND I THINK SEDONA POLICE IS ALSO CONSIDERED THESE ASPECTS AS WELL.
AND, AND, UH, THEY, THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR COMFORT LEVEL OR THEIR LACK OF
COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BY THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED.
THEN, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP SINCE? OKAY.
WHEN THE LAST ONE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THE CHOKE POINT, BUT AS, UH, COUNSELOR FURMAN SAID IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE FIRE DISTRICT AND THEY HAVE SIGNED OFF ON IT.
UH, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ISSUE THAT YOUR ATTORNEY HAD HAD BROUGHT UP, BUT I'LL SAY THAT FOR, FOR OUR, UH, COMMENT SECTION.
UM, AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, SOME, UH, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE, THE PUBLIC.
I SAID YOU WERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING TO THE CARDS? YES.
I JUST, ON THIS, THIS SIDE,
IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, UH, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD ON THE TABLE TO THE RIGHT.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GO IN IN ORDER IN WHICH WE RECEIVED THE, UH, THE CARDS.
SO WE HAVE, UH, ED TORE IF YOU WANT, STAND UP AND JUST LET ME CALL THE SECOND PERSON.
IF YOU WANNA BE ON DECK, UH, PLEASE, UH, BE CLEAR WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE.
IF YOU'LL WATCH THE LIGHTS TO YOUR RIGHT ON THE, THE, UH, THE DESK, IT'LL GIVE YOU, UH, INDICATIONS OF WHEN YOUR TIME WILL BE UP.
YOUR NAME AND, UH, CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA CITY, AND, UM, HAVE BEEN SO FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS.
UM, I'M PRESENTLY WORKING AS PROJECT MANAGER ON, UH, SOME OF TERRELL'S HOMES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED THAT PART OF THE, UH, SEDONA CITY MISSION STATEMENT IS TO WELCOME NEW RESIDENTS IN THE SPIRIT OF FELLOWSHIP.
UH, THEY, I FELT VERY WELCOME WHEN I, UH, CAME HERE AND BUILT MY HOME.
AND, UM, WHEN I CAME HERE AND, AND, AND BUILT MY HOME, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL EMPTY LOTS.
AND I WAS ALWAYS HAPPY TO SEE A HOUSE BUILT, UH, AND THE COMMUNITY GROWING AND, UH, EXCITED TO HAVE, UH, TO HAVE NEW NEIGHBORS.
UM, I KNOW ONE THING THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, PROVIDES AND THIS WILL, THIS PROJECT WILL PROVIDE IS, UH, IS MUCH NEEDED JOBS FOR, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AND, UH, I'VE SEEN, UH, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE, UH, WORKERS AND SUBCONTRACTORS AND INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS, UM, GROW, UM, GROW THEIR CAREERS AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES, UH, BECAUSE OF OUR, UM, THRILLS PROJECTS.
UH, I'M ALSO PROUD TO SAY THAT, THAT I'VE SEEN, UM, TERRELL, UH, FOLLOWING, UH, CITY, COUNTY AND STATE CONSTRUCTION CONSERVATION GUIDELINES, WHICH ARE MUCH NEEDED, UH, TO PRESERVE THIS BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT.
AND, AND WE TAKE CARE TO, UH, TO ADHERE TO WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS THERE ARE AS FAR AS DRAINAGE, UH, UH, WADDLES, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION TO PROVIDE, TO PROTECT AGAINST, UH, RUNOFF.
AND I DON'T, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M ADDRESSING ANY, UH, OF YOUR CONCERNS.
I WASN'T REALLY SURE, UH, WHAT THEY WERE.
UH, THESE ARE JUST, UH, KIND OF GENERAL COMMENTS, I GUESS.
UM, MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MORE TO SAY.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, UM, VERY PROUD TO BE, UH, A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY AND, UH, AND A MEMBER OF THE CITY AND, UM, HAPPY TO BE, TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
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NEXT UP IS PEGGY CHA, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ROT RO ROT.YOU'LL BE NEXT UP AFTER, AFTER MS. SHAKEN.
HELLO COUNSEL AND, UH, NEW MAYOR.
AND I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE AND THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AGAIN WITH YOU.
UM, AND, UH, I'VE SUBMITTED, AND MY HUSBAND HAVE SUBMITTED SEVERAL COMMENT LETTERS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE SOMETHING BECAUSE, UH, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS TODAY AND WE WROTE OUT A LITTLE STATEMENT THAT I WANNA REINFORCE FOR YOU.
UM, HE'S A REAL ESTATE BROKER FOR OVER 50 YEARS IN THE AREA HERE OF THE REGION OF THE VERDE VALLEY AND SEDONA, HE JUST WANTS, UM, US TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PRECEDENT WILL BE SET IF THIS IS AGREED UPON.
THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS, UM, IN AFTER OUR DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANNA GIVE THIS STATEMENT INTO THE RECORD.
PRIVATE ROAD STANDARDS SHOULD NOT APPLY TO A FORMAL SUBDIVISION ONLY FOR SINGLE FAMILY BUILDINGS ON SINGLE PARCELS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD APPLY FOR.
PRIVATE ROADS, FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ON PRIVATE ROADS, NOT SUBDIVISIONS.
THAT'S A SEPARATE TYPE OF DESIGNATION.
PERHAPS A PRIVATE ROAD COULD APPLY TO LOT SPLITS IN A MINOR LAND DIVISION APPLICATION, BUT IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO FILE A SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, ANY PRIVATE ROAD SHOULD MEET PUBLIC ROAD STANDARDS AS ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY.
OTHERWISE, THE PRECEDENT WOULD BE SET FOR SUBSTANDARD DEVELOPMENTS AND SUBSTANDARD SUBDIVISIONS, A HEALTH AND SAFETY SAFE ISSUE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AND I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WALKING AND MEETING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ARE SIMILARLY TO THIS THAT WERE PUT IN YEARS AGO, THEY LOOK FOR UPGRADES.
WE DON'T WANNA START OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS SAYING IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, BUT IT'S A SUBDIVISION.
IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PRIVATE ROAD, YOU SHOULD HAVE A LOT SPLIT TYPE OF DESIGNATION WITH FEWER HOMES, NOT A SUBDIVISION.
YOU SHOULD STICK TO THE STANDARD OF WHAT THE SUBDIVISION NEEDS TO HAVE, WHICH IS YOUR STANDARDS THAT YOU'VE DEVELOPED AND STICK TO THOSE.
SO IN THE FUTURE, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM THAT WE, WE HAVE IN ANSWERING OLDER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, ROT, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARYANNE LIVINGSTONE.
SO YOU KNOW MY NAME NOW, I HOPE IT'S GERMAN, AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
I'M ACTUALLY THE OWNER OF THE CORNER LOT AT THE ENTRANCE OF THAT.
AND THERE'S ONE PRACTICAL QUESTION IN THE BEGINNING.
THERE IS, UH, THE ROAD SLOPES DOWN PRETTY MUCH ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT FEET IN THE FIRST HUNDRED 50 FEET, WHEREAS MY LOT IS LEVEL OR EVEN GOING SLIGHTLY UP.
SO IF THEY BUILD THE ROAD THAT WAY, THERE WILL BE A OVER 50 OR 60 FEET, A THREE TO FIVE FOOT VERTICAL DROP.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GETS SECURED.
IF THEY NEED THE HOLE, IT'S OFF THE ROAD.
I WAS IN THE LAST MEETING, IT DIDN'T COME UP.
SO IT'S JUST A PRACTICAL QUESTION HOW THAT GETS SECURED AGAINST EROSION.
I HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT EXACTLY AT THAT POINT.
THEN NEXT PRACTICAL THING IS THERE ARE A FEW TREES WHICH ARE VERY CLOSE TO MY PROPERTY LINE, WHICH HAVE TO BE CUT.
SO, UH, I HOPE THAT WE'LL BE TAKEN CARE OF, THAT THEY DON'T JUST PULL THEM OVER AS THEY, HOW OFTEN DO, AND JUST WITH THE WOOD SYSTEM, WHICH WILL DAMAGE MY PROPERTY SO THAT IT'S DONE CORRECT.
AND THERE ARE ALSO A FEW TREES, ESPECIALLY AT THE CORNER, WHICH ARE CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY NIGHT, BUT BELONG TO MY PROPERTY THAT THEY DON'T GET DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE THIRD POINT.
I NEED THAT PROTECTION BECAUSE THERE IS A, A SHORT-TERM RENTAL JUST ACROSS THE STREET, WHAT IN THE CUL-DE-SAC, AND IT'S A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE AND IT ADVERTISES AS SLEEPING 13 PEOPLE.
SO THERE ARE QUITE OFTEN EIGHT TO 12 CARS THERE, INCLUDING SOMETIMES ARE WE BUSES
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OR TRAILERS WITH EQUATION VEHICLE, WHICH CLOCK UP THE WHOLE CUL-DE-SAC AREA ALREADY NOW.AND, UH, WE HAVE A HARD TIME TO GET OUT.
IT'S NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S HAPPENING.
SO WITH THE INCREASED INFLUX OF THAT'S ADVERTISED AS PUBLIC, UH, UH, WALKWAY OR PATH, THERE WILL BE INCREASED PARKING OF PEOPLE COMING THERE, WHICH ARE NOT LOCAL.
AND EVEN NOW, I ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THE PROPERTY IN THE SUMMER TO MY PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY RUN TOWARD THE TRAFFIC JAM THERE.
SO I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE POINTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DISCUSS NOW, GENTLEMEN? UH, THE TREES ARE, ARE THOSE TREES AND SOMETHING THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE, UM, I NOTICED RIGHT AWAY THAT, UH, OUR PROPERTY PIN, UM, IS SOMEWHAT ABOUT A THREE FOOT HIGH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIS PROPERTY.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME TYPE OF RIP ROCK STABILIZATION OF THAT.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DAMAGE HIS PROPERTY, BUT TO MAKE SURE IT'S PROTECTED, THAT WOULD BE DEFINITELY PART OF THE PLAN.
WHAT ABOUT THE TREES? THE TREE RETENTION? UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE EXACTLY WHERE THAT TREE IS HE'S REFERRING TO, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S ONLY TWO TREES AND THERE'S A LOT OF SHRUBS.
SO, UM, THERE'S A TREE AT THE ENTRANCE.
UH, I THINK I COULD ASK HIM, BUT I THINK IT'S RIGHT AT THE ENTRY.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S A LARGE TREE RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE.
COULD YOU MEET WITH HIM AT ANOTHER TIME? ABSOLUTELY.
WE'RE NOT, WE'LL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE HE IS TAKEN CARE OF AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
SO ARE WE TALKING ON ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION ON THE 150 FEET, THE INITIAL 150 FEET? IS THAT WHERE THE CHANGE IN ELEVATION OCCURS? OR THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE? HERE OR HERE ON THE RIGHT.
SO, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE HOUSES THERE ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO IS THAT SOMETHING YOU, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS? WELL, MY QUESTION IS, IS ACTUALLY IT'S ALREADY VERY NARROW.
UM, IF IT ERODES FURTHER OR IF IT IS DEGRADED FURTHER, IT'S GONNA EVEN NARROW.
WON'T IT EVEN NARROW MORE? NOW THE HOA IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR INSUR MAINTAINING THAT PORTION OF THE ROADWAY, CORRECT? OR NOT? I GET A COMMENT.
SO, LIKE I SAID, I'VE DONE 150 HOMES PROBABLY ON MY HUNDRED AND 51ST NOW.
WE RUN INTO THESE CONDITIONS ALL THE TIME AND WE TAKE EVERY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE INSPECTED BY THE CITY.
UH, WE VERY CAREFUL TO FOLLOW THE ENGINEERING ON IT.
YEAH, IT'S REALLY NOT A PROBLEM.
THIS IS A MINOR ISSUE WHERE WE WOULD JUST NEED TO RIP ROCK THE TRANSITION FROM THE ROAD TO HIS PROPERTY.
SO WE WOULD PROVIDE DRAINAGE AND IRRIGATION THAT WOULD STABILIZE THAT.
THAT'S COMMONLY DONE HERE ALL THE TIME.
OKAY, WE HAVE MARYANNE LIVING STONE, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARK 10.
BROOK, YES OR NO, MR. MAYOR AND HONORED COUNSEL, MY NAME IS MARYANNE LIVING STONE, AND I AM AN OVER 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
I COME TODAY TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBDIVISION ISSUE.
I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IF I WASN'T PART OF A SOLUTION, I WAS PROBABLY PART OF A PROBLEM.
AS I LOOK AROUND SEDONA, WE HAVE MANY PROBLEMS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE MANY SOLUTIONS.
AND I KNOW YOU AS A COUNCIL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THEM, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THIS SUBDIVISION IN THAT LIGHT.
IS IT PART OF THE PROBLEM? IS IT PART OF A SOLUTION? WE HAVE A TRAFFIC ISSUE IN SEDONA, THAT'S DEFINITELY A PROBLEM.
WOULD AVENUE $11 MILLION HOMES AND MILLIONAIRES OR AIRBNBERS INTO OUR TOWN BE PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF THE SOLUTION? WE HAVE MANY WORKERS WITHOUT HOUSING.
THEY MAY HAVE JOBS, BUT THEY PROBABLY DON'T LIVE HERE.
WOULD THIS SUBDIVISION BE PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF THE SOLUTION? WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD MILLION DOLLAR HOMES.
SO IS THIS SUBDIVISION PART OF THE SOLUTION OR PART OF THE PROBLEM? WE HAVE LIMITED OPEN SPACES IN SEDONA WITHIN THIS SUBDIVISION ARE MANY OVER AN ACRE HOMES AND NOW THE BUILDER WANTS TO BUILD DOUBLE THAT ON THIS ACREAGE.
IS THIS PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF THE SOLUTION? I ASK YOU AS A COUNCIL TO PLEASE LOOK AT THAT AND ASK YOURSELF, IS THIS SUBDIVISION PART OF THE SOLUTION FOR SEDONA OR GOING TO INCREASE PART OF OUR PROBLEMS? PERHAPS THE SOLUTION WOULD BE TO TABLE OR TO HOLD OFF ON MAKING THIS DECISION
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ON THIS PROJECT UNTIL SOME OF OUR OTHER PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN SOLVED THAT I KNOW THAT YOU ARE DILIGENTLY WORKING ON.OKAY, MARK, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, ROBERT MASTERS.
UH, MY NAME'S MARK TIMBROOK AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN.
WHAT CONCERNS ME MOST ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPERS PREVIOUSLY STATED AND SAID HERE, UH, THAT HE MIGHT ADD DEED RESTRICTIONS TO THESE TO NOT ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT I'M NOT HEARING THAT.
AS YOU KNOW, SEDONA IS BEING INUNDATED BY SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNITS.
AND I GUESS AS A WHOLE, WE'RE ABOUT 15% IN MY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE ABOUT 40%, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UH, I STAY, WE TRY TO STAY ON GOOD TERMS WITH THESE OWNERS, BUT, UH, THEY'RE NOT THERE TO PERSONALLY MANAGE THESE PROPERTIES.
SO WE OFTEN HAVE LARGE GROUPS OF FRIENDS AND FAMILIES THAT OCCUPY, UH, THESE HOMES.
SOMETIMES, UH, IT'S NOT TOO MUCH BOTHER, BUT AT OTHER TIMES, UP TO SEVEN CARS PER HOME.
SO HAVING THESE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL VENTURES, WHICH IS WHAT A SHORT-TERM RAIL IS, UH, IN THESE LOCATIONS, IS REALLY NOT, UH, APPROPRIATE.
THIS, THE, THE REFUGE AT SEDONA LOOKS TO BE DEVELOPED IN A SIMILAR FASHION.
THE LOCATION OF LARGE HOMES THAT COULD BE USED AS MANY HOTELS ARE A CONCERN.
I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT DEVELOPERS RECEIVE VARIANCE FOR THE NARROW ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION.
GIVEN THE HIGH VOLUME OF RENTERS, THERE COULD BE UP TO 70 SOME CARS.
I THINK THAT THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE WAS FOR MANY, UH, FEWER CARS.
I WOULD PREFER THAT THIS VARIANCE BE ALLOWED ONLY IF THERE ARE DEED RESTRICTIONS OFFERED SPECIFICALLY BY THE DEVELOPER PRIOR TO, UH, ANY KIND OF SUBDIVISION BEING ALLOWED.
AND I'LL LAST, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKER IS ROBERT MASTERS.
IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO BE HEARD, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD ON THE RIGHT HAND, YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE ON THE TABLE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, AND, AND GIVE IT TO THE CITY CLERK.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR BOARD.
I'M, UM, CURRENTLY A RESIDENT IN HOMEOWNER, UH, IN SEDONA.
AND, UM, I'VE KNOWN CHRIS FOR 10 YEARS AND HE'S BUILT TWO HOMES FOR ME, TWO BEAUTIFUL CUSTOM HOMES, ONE IN A GATED COMMUNITY AT BELLA VISTA THAT SEEMS TO HAVE SAME SIMILAR ACCESS, EGRESS ISSUES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BROUGHT UP.
AND WE HAVE NEVER, UH, HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT WHEN I WAS A ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT AND RESIDENT THERE.
UH, AND I KNOW CHRIS, HE THINKS ABOUT HIS PRO PROJECTS WELL IN ADVANCE.
HE'S A, A WONDERFUL PERSON TO DEAL WITH AS A BUILDER AND AS A FRIEND.
UM, I MOVED AWAY FROM BELLA VISTA BACK TO PHOENIX TO FINISH MY CAREER.
AND WHEN I DID FINISH MY CAREER, I, MY WIFE AND I SAID, WHERE, WHERE WOULD WE LIKE TO MOVE TO NOW? AND IT WAS BACK TO SEDONA, AND I JUST RECENTLY MOVED HERE AGAIN.
AND CHRIS BUILT US A WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL CUSTOM HOME IN THE FOOTHILL SOUTH.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU MY EXPERIENCE WITH FIT AND FINISH AND FORETHOUGHT AND AFTERTHOUGHT WITH THE BUILD HAS JUST BEEN AMAZING FOR US.
AND I WOULDN'T BE HERE NOW SPEAKING ON HIS BEHALF IF I DIDN'T REALLY FEEL THAT WAY.
UM, I'M A PERSONAL FRIEND AND THAT'S TRUE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE REALLY DOES CARE ABOUT HIS HOMEOWNERS.
AND IF YOU OWN ONE OF HIS HOMES, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT, UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN ONE OF HIS COMMUNITIES, YOU WOULD FEEL IT AND YOU'D SEE IT, UH, PRIOR TO THE SALE AND AFTER THE SALE.
AND SO, I'M, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I WOULD BE, I WOULDN'T BE A A A GOOD FRIEND OF CHRIS IF, IF I DIDN'T SHOW UP HERE TODAY.
AND I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT HE HAS SEDONAS THE COMMUNITY OF SEDONA.
IT'S, IT'S, HE LIVES IT, HE FEELS IT, HE BREATHES IT.
THIS HAS BEEN HIS COMMUNITY, HIS HOME, UM, FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND I THINK HE HAS SEDONAS IN HIS BEST INTERESTS.
UM, I HAD A A BUNCH OF THINGS TO SAY ON MY CELL PHONE, BUT THIS IS FROM THE HEART AND THIS IS WHERE I'M AT.
AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT.
AND I JUST WANNA LET EVERYONE KNOW BEHIND ME, REGARDLESS OF WHAT POSITION YOU HAVE, HE WILL LISTEN TO YOU THROUGHOUT THE BUILD.
UM, HE'S JUST NOT GONNA STEP AWAY FROM A PROJECT AND NOT HEAR YOU OUT.
AND AS A, UM, AN EX HOA PRESIDENT OF ONE OF HIS COMMUNITIES, THAT COMMITMENT MOVES FORWARD EVEN AFTER HE'S MOVED ON.
UH, KEITH BERN BARNHARD, PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I LIVE ON TWO 30 TABLETOP ROAD.
I HAVE 324 FEET OF ADJOINING PROPERTY TO
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THIS PROJECT.I DIDN'T KNOW THIS MEETING WAS GOING ON UNTIL THIS MORNING.
UH, SO I WASN'T REALLY GONNA SPEAK, BUT I'M GONNA JUST BRING UP A COUPLE OF THINGS.
YOU GUYS, THE BALL'S IN YOUR COURT.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A SQUARE PEG BEING FORCED INTO A ROUND HOLE GIVEN THE TOPOGRAPHY.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE WALKED THE PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S A REASON THIS IS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AND IT'S TOPOGRAPHY ON THIS.
UH, CHRIS IS PROBABLY A GREAT GUY.
AND THE ONES THAT WE'VE RUN INTO BACK IN PARK CITY, THEY LIKE TO DENSELY BUILD.
THERE'S THE ZONING, UH, SUCH THAT HE CAN BUILD 12 HOMES IN THEORY ON THIS, NOT JUST LEBANON.
UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS. ONE, A NUMBER OF US, MARY AND OTHERS.
MARK MADDOX, THE ONE WITH THE LOT, UH, CONSTRICTING THE ENTRY, UM, SPOKE WITH AN ATTORNEY IN PHOENIX WITH, AND HE WAS PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT ATTORNEY.
AND THIS MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT.
UM, THIS LAND HAS BEEN TRESPASSED ON FOR DECADES OUT OF SETTLER'S REST, THUNDERBIRD HILLS, UH, AND, UM, I GUESS KELLER'S TRACT AS WELL.
PEOPLE USE THIS HOMEY TRAIL ALL DAY LONG.
SO I WOULD SAY THE CITY HAS LEVERAGE WITH A DEVELOPER ON THIS THING
WE ALSO APPROACHED CARRIE A LONG TIME AGO, BASICALLY SAYING, HEY, ONCE, DON'T YOU LOOK AT CHANGING RS 18 TO RS 35.
UH, WE DON'T CHANGE ZONES IN THIS CITY, HOWEVER, JORDAN LOFTS, I HAD THE P Z COMMISSION FIVE SEVEN SAY, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DENSELY BUILD IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEEN THERE 30 YEARS.
SO WE'RE TOLD, NO, WE WON'T CONSIDER A, A ZONING CHANGE.
AND THEN JORDAN LOFTS, ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A ZONING CHANGE.
SO I THINK THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, UM, THAT YOU COULD INCORPORATE MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WITH THE ROADS, IF THERE WERE SIX BUILDABLE LOTS ON THIS VERSUS 12.
I ALSO THINK THE CITY SHOULD ACTUALLY CONSIDER FUNDING, UH, AND ESTABLISHING A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT ACROSS IT.
ANYWAYS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
BEING NO, NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.
AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU, YOU WANTED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I MOVE, WE MOVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS, UH, TO DIS FOR LEGAL ADVICE ON THIS ISSUE.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO,
[9. Executive Session]
UH, GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY IN OUR, IN THE, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND WE'LL BE BACK HOPEFULLY REALLY SOON.
OKAY? WE'RE GONNA COME BACK INTO OPEN SESSION HOPING WE WERE CAN I ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE TAKE THEIR SEATS? PLEASE TAKE YOU ONE SECOND.
CAN YOU READ IT? THE STICKY, WICKED.
IT'S BEEN
YOU CAN MENTION OR READ IT INTO IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO.
JOANNA, ARE WE READY? YES, MA'AM.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, I DO WANNA MENTION THAT, UH, WE, WE HAD THE CARDS AND WE HAD THE PUBLIC SPEAKING, BUT WE ALSO RECEIVED A PETITION FROM SOME RESIDENTS.
AND I WANT TO BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS PETITION HAS ALREADY OR WILL BE ADDED INTO THE RECORD BY THIS, UH, THE, UH, CITY CLERK.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO READ, UH,
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THE TWO TOP TWO PARAGRAPHS SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE HEARD THEM, WE'RE LISTENING.UH, THIS IS, UH, A REVIEW OF THE REFUGE AT SEDONA.
THIS IS, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING 20 DASH 0 0 0 7.
WHEREAS WE, THE UNDERSIGNED UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING IN PERSON.
PLEASE ENTER OUR OPPOSITION AS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD TO THIS CASE.
IN THIS CASE, WE, THE UNDERSIGNED DISAGREE WITH AND ARE OPPOSED, ARE DISMAYED BY THE CITY STAFF IN PLANNING THE ZONING APPROVAL OF THE REFUGE AT SEDONA AND OPPOSE THE PETITIONER SUBMITTED PLAN.
BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE PETITIONER, IT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED WITHOUT MULTIPLE WAIVERS AND EXEMPTIONS TO SEDONAS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE LDC, THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING MULTIPLE EXEMPTIONS, UH, TWO OF WHICH CONSTITUTE A POTENTIAL SERIOUS SAFETY THREAT ENTRY TO NARROW, UH, THE SO-CALLED PINCH POINT, AND ANOTHER REQUEST TO WAIVE A CODE REQUIREMENT ON TWO POINTS OF ENTRY AND EXIT TO THE SUBDIVISION.
WE, THE UNDERSIGNED, ACKNOWLEDGE AND AFFIRM THAT THE LANDOWNERS ARE FREE TO DEVELOP THEIR LAND HOLDINGS IN ANY MANNER THEY SEE FIT, AS LONG AS THEIR PLANS CAN FORM, UH, TO ALL APPLICABLE LAWS, REGULATIONS, GUIDELINES, COVENANTS, AND CODES.
IN EFFECT, UH, WE DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY COMPELLING REASONS NOR HAVE WE BEEN PROVIDED THESE BY EITHER CITY STAFF OR PLANNING AND ZONING TO WAIVE ANY LDC REQUIREMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, EXCUSE ME, UH, OF THE RE REFUGE.
AND THERE ARE, UH, 40, UH, 42 SIGNATURES ON THIS, UH, 32 SIGNATURES ON THE THIS PETITION.
I'M NOT GONNA GO DOWN THE NAMES, THE NAMES, BUT IT WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.
I, AND I'M NOT SAYING WHETHER WE AGREE OR NOT, BUT THAT'S THEIR OPINION.
SO WE WILL GO TO, UM, COMMENTS.
WHY DON'T WE START DOWN WITH COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON.
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED BY, BY SOME OF THE SPEAKERS THIS EVENING.
FIRST ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHICH I KNOW IS I'M JUST, THE STATE HAS NOT GIVEN US AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING MEANINGFUL WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UM, THAT, THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
THE CITY STILL HAS NO ABILITY TO ACT, ACTUALLY REGULATE THEM, TO TREAT THEM AS THE BUSINESSES THEY ARE.
AND, OR WE HAVE 60% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK IS SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO THE STATE, THE, THE, THE SORT OF
SECONDLY, ZONING CHANGES ARE DONE, THEY'RE DONE ALL THE TIME AT THE REQUEST OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THE CITY DOESN'T, CAN'T STEP IN AND SORT OF SAY, WELL, WE'RE JUST GONNA REZONE YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO THERE ISN'T ANY, ANY CONFUSION ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS.
THE CITY OUGHT ITSELF JUST DOESN'T DO THAT.
UM, RIGHT NOW, I, I RESERVE MY COMMENTS FOR LATER.
OTHER COMMENTS FOR LATER? PETE
THOSE WERE TWO GREAT POINTS I WAS THINKING OF MAKING AS WELL.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER RIGHT NOW.
I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION FROM, BUT THERE WERE, AS COUNCIL WILLIAMSON SAID, THERE WERE A LOT OF INACCURACIES IN THE INFORMATION YOU GAVE.
WHAT'S THAT? I THINK IT WAS THE GOVERNOR'S PRESS RELEASE
IT COULD BE
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY REAL ANSWER IS DEED RESTRICTION FROM A DEVELOPER.
AND THAT IS THE ANSWER AS A, A NEW DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT IS A PERFECT ANSWER.
IT'S NOT THE, UH, ALWAYS IN THE LONG TERM IT COULD BE CHANGED.
UH, I KNOW AS I THINK I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT SEVERAL, UH, UH, HOAS HAVE GONE DEFUNCT AND LEFT THEIR HOMEOWNERS WITH NOTHING BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID OF BEING SUED.
SO, UH, BUT IT REALLY IS INCUMBENT UPON A NEW DEVELOPER, AND WE CAN'T FORCE YOU TO DO THAT.
IT'S YOUR RIGHT TO DO ONE, YOU KNOW, EITHER DO IT OR NOT TO DO IT, BUT REALLY IT RESTS WITH THE DEVELOPER TO DO SO.
UH, I THINK THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NEIGHBORS.
WHERE I THINK YOU SAID EARLIER, WELL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE AN HOA PRIOR TO
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1350, AND THE ONLY WAY THAT COULD BE, UH, CHANGE WAS AT THAT POINT IN TIME, OR IT'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT.SO, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR.
I HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH, UH, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, AND THE ITEMS THAT AREN'T REACHED, UH, UH, MEETING THE STANDARDS, BUT LEGALLY THEY COULD BE, UH, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF THE FIRE DISTRICT, THEY HAVE THEIR OPINIONS, OUR STAFF HAS THEIR OPINIONS.
SO I'M NOT GONNA TOUCH ANYMORE ON THAT, UH, BECAUSE I COULD GO ON AND ON.
SO I'LL PASS IT ALONG TO THE VICE MAYOR, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, UM, THERE'S MULTIPLE REQUESTS FOR EXEMPTIONS, AND WHILE EACH OF THEM MIGHT ON THEIR OWN BE ALL RIGHT, THE COMBINATION OF OF THEM GIVES ME GREAT PAUSE.
IT GIVES ME PAUSE BECAUSE I'M HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION, UM, RESEARCH THAT'S GOING ON AND THE STUDY THAT'S GOING ON.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT, AS I ASKED YOU THOSE QUESTIONS EARLIER, THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, A, A SAFETY CONCERN.
AND WHERE HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT GONNA REALIZE THE SITUATION UNTIL THEY'RE THERE, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME TO THE CITY AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT US TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP THEM AND PROTECT THEM.
AND I DON'T WANT TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GONNA PUT PEOPLE IN DANGER AND IN HARM'S WAY.
UH, THE ROADWAY IS TOO NARROW AND THAT CHOKE POINT, THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRY AND EXIT POINT, AND THERE'S NO SHOULDERS, OR, I MEAN, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.
SO THE COMBINATION OF THOSE THREE, GIVE ME GREAT PAUSE, UH, AND MAKE ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
COUNCIL DUNN, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT.
COUNCIL FOLTZ, WHEN I FIRST STARTED READING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UM, THE, THE, THE FIRST THOUGHT THAT CAME TO MIND WAS ONE THAT ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHARED, WHICH IS, THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS, UH, PARCEL OR TWO PARCELS, IF THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY, IT'S NOT, UM, COMPLIANT WITH OUR LDC.
I I LOOK AT SECTION 7.3 C 2D AND IT SAYS, FLAG LOTS AND OTHER IRREGULARLY SHAPED LOTS ARE DISCOURAGED IN NEW AND EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS.
I THINK THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THAT ALONE WAS A, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A REASON TO DENY, BUT IF ON ITS OWN, IF, IF IT WASN'T LIKE A FLAG LOT, AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO OVERCOME TOO MANY THINGS HERE.
SO I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNSELOR PLU SAID, OR VICE MAYOR P FLUG SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS IN THE LDC HERE THAT ARE NON-COMPLIANT AND IN COMBINATION APPLIED TO A FLAG LOT.
I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS MORE THAN WHAT, UH, A SAFETY MINDED DECISION, UH, WOULD, WOULD DICTATE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MAY I, UH, MAY I ADDRESS THE THANK YOU.
SO, UM, I'M ALL FOR FOLLOWING RULES AND, UM, OBEYING THE SPEED LIMIT, UH, TRUSTING OUR POLICE OFFICERS, TRUSTING OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 26 YEARS, AND I RESPECT THE LAWS OF THE LAND, UM, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
UM, EXCEPT FOR WHEN OFFICER HUNT PULLED ME OVER ONCE FOR SPEEDING.
UM, BUT I WAS ONLY SIX OVER, SO HE LET ME GO
BUT ANYWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT THIS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFF, UH, IT WAS APPROVED WITH P AND Z, AND THEY ALL DEEMED THAT IT WAS SAFE, UM, TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF ENTRANCE.
AND I'VE LIVED IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAD THIS, AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT.
IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S ALMOST SEVEN ACRES THAT DOES HAVE A NARROW ENTRANCE, BUT IT'S NOT ON ITS OWN A FLAG LOT.
UM, YOU'D HAVE TO DETERMINE THE SIZE OF A FLAG LOT TO SAY THIS IS A BUILDABLE FLAG LOT OR AN UNBILLABLE, BUT THIS IS A LARGE PARCEL OF PROPERTY.
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AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO IT BEING SAFE, UM, I THINK EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS DEEMED THAT IT IS SAFE.UH, AND IF YOU VIEWED THE PROPERTY, YOU'D SEE IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT RUN.
I MEAN, IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO CREATE A HAZARD THERE.
UM, IF SOMEBODY DIDN'T DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY AND BUILT ONE HOUSE THERE AND DECIDED TO HAVE 50, 60, 70 HOUSE GUESTS WITH CARS ON THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DEED RESTRICTIONS AGAINST THAT.
I THINK DOING A SUBDIVISION, THERE IS AN INTELLIGENT THING TO DO TO CONTROL THE PROPERTY AND HELP THAT IT FUNCTION WELL AS A SUBDIVISION THAT'S ESTABLISHED WITH RULES AND REGULATIONS, NOT JUST AN EMPTY PIECE OF LAND THAT SOMEBODY CAN BUILD AN ESTATE ON AND DO GOD KNOWS WHAT ON.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY OPINION.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO PRESENT, THAT IT, IT IS SAFE.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY THE ISSUE.
UM, BUT THAT AGAIN, IS MY OPINION AND THE OPINION OF THE, ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE STAFF IN P AND Z THAT VOTED TO APPROVE IT.
I DON'T, DID WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE, FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
YEAH, I, BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, I JUST WANT TO, UM, COMMENT ON THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING ANYTHING HERE IN SEDONA, UH, ABOUT WHAT SHORT TERM RENTALS HAVE DONE TO OUR COMMUNITY, TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, TO THE RESIDENCE.
IT'S, IT'S DESTROYED NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT HAS, IT HAS REALLY WRECKED HAVOC IN SEDONA.
AND I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE VOTE'S GONNA TURN OUT.
I WOULD REALLY URGE ANYBODY WHO CARES ABOUT SEDONA AND WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS AND ABOUT MAINTAINING A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO JUST A SERIES OF, OF FREESTANDING HOTEL ROOMS. IF YOU CARE ABOUT SEDONA AS A PLACE TO LIVE, I WOULD URGE YOU TO CONSIDER DEED RESTRICTIONS.
IT'S, IT, IT IS THE SEDONA, IT IS THE, IT IS THE WAY TO, TO SORT OF EXHIBIT ACTUALLY A CARE FOR AND A LOVE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT, UM, YOU CAN DO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ON MY RADAR TO DO.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD BE RESTRICTED WITHOUT THE LAWS BEING CHANGED TO RESTRICT THEM.
I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF FOLLOWING THE LAWS OF THE LAND.
SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOMES ARE, ARE THE HOMES IN SEDONA.
EVERY HOME IN SEDONA IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOME, LUXURY HOMES, NON-LUXURY HOMES, EVERYTHING.
AND WHILE IT'S CERTAINLY IN YOUR RIGHT NOT TO RESTRICT IT, UM, AND TO, AND TO MAXIMIZE THE PROFITS THAT COME FROM PRESUMABLY PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO PAY TOP DOLLAR, BECAUSE THEY, THEY WILL GET HUGE RETURNS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
CERTAINLY IT'S WITHIN YOUR RIGHT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE, THERE'S ANY OBLIGATION ON, ON ANYBODY'S PART TO DO ANYTHING.
I'M MERELY I'M MAKING A PLEA AND I'LL BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
AND SO CERTAINLY YOU CAN DO WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOUR HEART TELLS YOU IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
SO, ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? MAYOR, COULD I JUST SAY ONE MORE THING? CERTAINLY
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE I, THAT'S, I'VE HAD THREE TIMES TO MAKE A COMMENT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS GO, I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANT TO BUY A 1.2, $1.5 MILLION HOME IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
I THINK ANYBODY HERE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
I, UH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK I WOULD.
BUT MILLIONS, THAT'S YOUR, AND THAT'S YOUR RIGHT TO DO, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MOVED TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 20 DASH 0 0 0 0 7 S U B, THE REFUGE AT SEDONA, BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.5, AND SATISFACTION OF THE SUBDIVISION FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STAFF REPORT.
WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
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DO I HAVE A SECOND? NOPE.DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE, UH, MOTION? I DON'T KNOW.
SEEING COUNCIL, UH, VICE MAYOR, GO AHEAD.
SEEING NO OTHER THAN, UH, GO AHEAD.
UH, SO MAYOR AND COUNSELORS JUST LIKE, UH, RECENTLY HAPPENED AT, UH, AT THE P AND Z MEETING.
WE'LL NEED AN EXPLANATION FOR THE, THE REASONS FOR DENIAL.
WELL, WAIT, WAS IT DENIED? IT JUST WASN'T APPROVED.
THERE'S NOTHING BUSINESS TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT WHEN THERE IS, IS, UH, IF IT'S NOT APPROVED, IT'S, IT'S DENIED.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION IF I COULD AT THIS TIME.
NOW WE NOW HAVE A SECOND ON THE, ON THE MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? YOU, YOU CAN HAVE MORE DISCUSSION NOW IF YOU'D LIKE.
CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE IN FRONT OF US? THE MOTION? IT'S MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPROVED, THIS IS TO APPROVE, BUT WE ALREADY VOTED ON THAT.
HOW CAN YOU BRING, WE DIDN'T VOTE ON, NO, WE HAVE NOT.
THERE WAS NO SECOND, SO THERE WAS NO VOTE.
LET'S TRY TO KEEP MY FIRST MEETING.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
COUNSEL FOLTZ, I, I WILL RESTATE WHAT I SAID IN THE DISCUSSION THAT, UH, THERE'S A REASON WHY THAT PROPERTY HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED TO DATE.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE STICKING WITH IT.
AND WE'VE GOT THREE REASONS WHY SECTION 7.3, F FOUR, A SEVEN, THREE, F, 5, 7, 3, CUN, FOUR
I, I WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ.
I AM CONCERNED WITH THE COMBINATION OF EXCEPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED WITH THIS.
AND, UH, BASED ON THAT, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AND WILL BE OPPOSING.
AND FOR THE RECORD, I TOO WILL BE OPPOSING THIS AS WELL.
SO, UH, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE? WHY? OH, FOR THE SAME REASONS IN TOTALITY, WHILE THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, AND CITY STAFF COMMENTED ON THOSE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES IN TOTALITY, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
SO, UM, NOW ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE HAVE FIVE TO TWO OPPOSED AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO TAKE A BREAK.
OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN OPEN SESSION AND WE'RE GOING TO BE, I'M GONNA PUT MY GLASSES ON SO I CAN SEE
[8.b. AB 2889 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for Preliminary Plat approval to subdivide approximately 3.3 acres into a 6-unit single family subdivision at 10 Sky Line Drive. The property is zoned Single Family Residential (RS-18) and is located southwest of the intersection of State Route 179 and Chapel Rd. APN: 401-34-033B.Case Numbers: PZ21-00014 (SUB) Applicant: Sefton Engineering (Luke Sefton).]
AB 28 89 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION RE UH, REGARDING A REQUEST THANK YOU.REQUEST FOR THIS IS SOMETHING ABOUT THIS EAR PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL TO SUBDIVIDE APPROXIMATELY 3.3 ACRES IN A SIX UNIT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION AT 10 SKYLINE DRIVE.
THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RS 18 AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND CHAPEL ROAD.
WE HAVE APA DO I HAVE TO READ THESE, UH, ALL THE NUMBERS ON THE BOTTOM? NO, I DON'T THINK SO, RIGHT? YOU, YEAH, YOU'RE OKAY NOT READING THE NUMBERS.
THEY'RE LISTED IN THE AGENDA AND IT'S, EVERYONE'S AWARE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, WHO'S GONNA PRESENT? CARRIE? YEP.
WHO'S THIS YOUNG GENTLEMAN NEXT TO YOU? YEAH, AGAIN, NEW STAFF PERSON.
OKAY, SO THIS AGENDA ITEM IS ANOTHER PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION FOR CHAPEL VIEW TERRACE.
UM, WE WILL, UM, THIS IS GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE PLAT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCEDURES CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME.
THE ONE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THIS IS LESS THAN 10 LOTS.
THERE WAS NO CONCEPTUAL REVIEW FOR THIS PLAT.
IT JUST WENT STRAIGHT TO PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, THIS ALSO WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN OCTOBER OF 2022.
UM, SO THIS PLAT IS, OR THIS SUBDIVISION, PROPOSED SUBDIVISION
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IS SHOWN IN GREEN.SO RIGHT HERE YOU HAVE THE CHAPEL ROAD ROUNDABOUT OFF OF 1 79.
UM, AS WAS READ IN THE AGENDA ITEM, THIS PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 3.3 ACRES.
IT'S PROPOSED AS A SIX UNIT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION WITH ONE WHICH WORKS OUT TO ABOUT 1.8 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY ARE BOTH SINGLE FAMILY, UM, ALLOWING UP TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 18,000 SQUARE FEET AND A MINIMUM WIDTH OF A HUNDRED FEET.
AND AGAIN, SINGLE FAMILY HOME CONSTRUCTION IS NOT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS DIVIDING THE LAND AND BUILDING WITH THE ROAD AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, IT IS ACCESSED OFF OF CHAPEL ROAD, UH, IN THE DEAD ENDS INTO A CUL-DE-SAC, BUT THERE IS EMERGENCY AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO SKYLINE DRIVE.
SO IF FOR SOME REASON THE ROAD TO CHAPEL ROAD WAS BLOCKED, THERE WOULD BE THIS SECONDARY ACCESS.
BUT THE PRIMARY ACCESS AND THE ACCESS IT WOULD BE USED ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IS THE, UM, EXIT TO CHAPEL ROAD.
AND THAT IS TO UTILIZE THE ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTION AT 1 79.
CARRIE, THAT X MM-HMM
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? UH, DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTENTION IS.
LUKE MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
HOW BE DATED WITH THE NOT KNOCK CLOCKS.
UM, SO AS A CONTEXT MAP, THIS SHOWS SOME OF THE SURROUNDING STREET, UH, STREETS AND LOTS AND HOW THIS PARTICULAR LOT WOULD FIT INTO THE SURROUNDING SUBDIVISION.
THE ZONING IN THIS AREA IS THE SAME RS 18.
UM, ACROSS THE STREET YOU HAVE THREE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH ARE TWO CHURCHES.
AND THE FIRE DISTRICT BUILDING, UM, WHICH ARE PERMITTED UNDER CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS IN THE OR THE FIRE DISTRICT IS JUST ALLOWED TO BE THERE CAUSE IT'S THE FIRE DISTRICT.
BUT THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE UNITS, YOU HAVE RS 10 ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, THE SUBDIVISION AS SHOWN ON THAT LAYOUT, HAS ONE PRIMARY ACCESS POINT.
IT IS PROPOSED TO BE A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY RANGES FROM 40 TO 60 FEET.
THERE ARE THREE LOTS ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND THERE ARE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON EACH SIDE OF THE NEW ROAD.
UM, AND THEN NEW SIDEWALKS ARE PROPOSED ALONG ALL OF THE FRONTAGES, UM, INCLUDING CHAPEL 1 79, WHICH HAS A PARTIAL SIDEWALK.
SO THEY'D BE EXTENDING THAT AND THEN WRAPPING AROUND AND, UM, INSTALLING A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ALONG SKYLINE, AS THE WAVE'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
UM, THE REVIEW CRITERIA IS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF SUBDIVISIONS IN ARTICLE SEVEN AND THE FINDINGS IN ARTICLE EIGHT AS REVIEWED BY STAFF.
THIS SUBDIVISION DID NOT REQUEST ANY EXCEPTIONS.
UM, SO WE WON'T GO INTO ALL THOSE DETAILS, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
JUST DON'T WANNA BORE YOU WITH THOSE DETAILS.
UM, THIS WAS ROUTED TO, UM, ALL REVIEW AGENCIES AND WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM, UM, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS ADOT, UM, WHICH THEIR PRIMARY COMMENT WAS REGARDING THE DISTANCE FROM THE STREET TO THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO I'M MAKING SURE THAT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE FIRE DISTRICT HAD COMMENTS ABOUT THE ROAD AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME CHANGES THAT WERE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IN RESPONSE TO THOSE FIRE DISTRICT COMMENTS.
SO THE APPLICANT DID COMPLETE THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PROCESS.
UM, THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN ON OUR CITY WEBSITE.
UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS NOTICED, AND THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, I BELIEVE SOMETIME SINCE THE PACKET WENT OUT, UM, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT WAS EMAILED TO THE COUNCIL REGARDING THE SIDEWALK ALONG SKYLINE DRIVE, WHICH, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WE CAN DISCUSS, UM, LATER IN YOUR DISCUSSION.
UM, SO AGAIN, STAFF RE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UM, WITH THE, UM, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF THIS PRELIMINARY PLA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, REVIEWED THIS AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL.
IT WAS A UNANIMOUS FIVE ZERO VOTE.
TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE EXCUSED THAT EVENING.
AND SO NOW IT'S THE COUNCIL'S, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND APPROVE CONDITIONALLY APPROVED, DENY, OR CONTINUE THE CONSIDERATION.
SO THAT'S MY BRIEF PRESENTATION.
I AM JOINED BY LUKE SUTTON, WHO IS THE ENGINEER WHO IS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, AND HE IS AVAILABLE, I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS A SEPARATE PRESENTATION, BUT HE'S AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UH, LUKE, DO YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR OWN PRESENTATION FIRST BEFORE WE ASK YOU
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QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'M, CARRIE DID A GREAT JOB AND IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.UM, SOME OF, SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM P AND Z, UM, WE HAD ROAD CURB ALONG CHAPEL.
I, WE CAN CHANGE THAT, UH, VERTICAL AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT MOUNTED OR SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T PULL UP ON THE SIDEWALK AND PARK THERE.
AND I THINK THIS OWNER, UM, WANTS TO DISCOURAGE ALL PARKING OUT THERE CUZ THEY'RE PARKING ON HIS LAND RIGHT NOW AND DOING THAT.
UM, AND, UM, THE SECOND I THINK SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SIDEWALK ALONG SKY SKYLINE.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS.
WHY DON'T WE START TO MY RIGHT.
COUNCILOR FOLTZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I DO NOT.
CAN WE HEAR FROM THE HOMEOWNERS? WE COULD, BUT I JUST WANTED TO.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, I'D LIKE TO.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTION? THEY MIGHT GENERATE QUESTION QUESTIONS.
SO WHY DON'T, UH, COUNCIL FIRM, WHY DON'T YOU, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, CURRENTLY THE SIDEWALK ON THAT WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD THROUGH THE PROPERTY ONLY COMES DOWN HALFWAY OR SO, IS THAT CORRECT? ALONG 1 79? YEP.
AND WHY IS THAT? WHY, WHAT'S THE HISTORY OF THAT? DO WE KNOW? DO WE REMEMBER? THAT'S WHAT ADOT DECIDED TO DO WHEN THEY BUILT ADAT.
I BELIEVE THERE'S LIKE A BUS CUTOUT RIGHT NEAR WHERE IT ENDS.
AND THEN SOUTH CONTINUING SOUTH PASSING SKYLINE DRIVE.
THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND WHAT WOULD BE THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THAT? WHAT'S IN OUR WALK GO PLAN? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ENGINEERING STAFF.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS A, A SHARED USE PATH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY PLANS TO IT TO EXTEND THE 1 79 PATHWAY.
AND ANDY IS SHAKING HIS HEAD BACK THERE.
MR. MAYOR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION IN THE MEANTIME? LET'S GO AHEAD.
YOUR, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE OWNER, YOU'RE NOT THE OWNER DEVELOPER IN THIS CASE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT? YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT.
SO THE GO PLAN DOES NOT SHOW AN EXTENSION OF SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE FOR THE FUTURE, BUT I, I FEEL OBLIGATED TO POINT OUT THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR CITY WAS DEVELOPED IN THE, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON, YOU KNOW, FIFTIES, SIXTIES, SEVENTIES, AND DIDN'T INCLUDE INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE SIDEWALKS.
AND MANY PEOPLE ASK TODAY, WHY WAS THAT NOT INCLUDED? AND SO USUALLY OUR RESPONSE IS IT WASN'T REQUIRED AT THAT TIME.
AND SO WHEN WE CAN REQUIRE IT, WE, WE MAKE SURE AND DO THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND FOLKS OF THAT.
I DON'T TAKE ALONG ON THAT TOO.
UH, ANDY, SO CAN YOU, UH, CARRIE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE SIMPLE MAP? YES, MA'AM.
AND FOR THE, THE, UH, SHARED USE PATH OR A SIDEWALK, OKAY, 1 79 DOES HAVE A BIKE PATH ON THE ROAD ITSELF.
SO IT DOESN'T NEED, REALLY NEED A SHARED USE PATH.
IT HAS AN ADOT BIKE LANE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, THERE IS BOTH.
AND JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, AGAIN, THAT'S FOR DIFFERENT USERS, RIGHT? SO A LOT OF TIMES THE FOLKS THAT ARE USING THE SHARED USE PATH ARE NOT GONNA USE THE BIKE LANE AND VICE VERSA.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY ACCOMMODATE DIFFERENT USERS.
SO JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T NEED THE OTHER.
I'VE NOTICED BECAUSE IN, UM, MY GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WITH THE NEW CHAPEL ROAD SHARED USE PATH, WHICH IS USED HEAVILY MM-HMM.
THEY'RE USING A SHARED USE PATH.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY NEED ANYTHING ALONG 1 79 BECAUSE JUST FROM ACTUAL USE THAT I'M, I'M WITNESSING.
I I SEE I'M NOT A BIKE, I'M NOT A REGULAR BIKER.
SO I SEE WE HAVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE HERE.
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ONE THING I WOULD JUST CLARIFY IS THAT ON CHAPEL ROAD, THE BIKE LANE IS VERY SHORT.AND SO IT WOULD BE VERY INCONVENIENT TO NO, NO, NO, I'M THE BIKE, THE SHARED USE PATH IS BEING USED EXTENSIVELY, RIGHT? AS EXACTLY AS INTENDED.
RIGHT? SO, UH, WHAT'S THAT? I SAID WHAT ABOUT IT? WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT'S, UH, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY DO WE NEED, OKAY, THIS OTHER SIDEWALK THAT'S PLANNED IN THIS, UH, PROJECT.
SO AGAIN, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ACCOMMODATION OF DIFFERENT USERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT THESE FACILITIES ARE MEANT TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE FOR IS, IS, UM, MULTIMODAL TRAVEL FOR WHERE IT'S CONNECTING TO.
I, I HOPE THERE'S NOT A FEAR THAT IT'S GONNA INVITE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD CUZ IT'S REALLY, THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT'S FOR.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING INFRASTRUCTURE NOW AS OPPOSED TO LATER WHEN WE, WHEN THE CITY WISHES IT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED.
AND SOMEDAY WE'LL ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT DOING BETTER BIKE LANES ON 1 79, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S VERY DANGEROUS.
AND I KNOW SOMEONE AND THAT GOT HIT IN A CAR AT THAT ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTION, SO, SO, RIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
I'M NOT, I APPRECIATE AND YOU HAVE A LOT, LOT MORE EXPERIENCE ON, ON A BIKE THAN I DO.
SO, UH, HOWEL FAULT, YOU WANNA ADD TO ANYTHING ON THE, ON ME? YOU PROFESSIONAL BIKERS IT.
UH, I KNOW BETTER THAN TO BIKE ON 1 79.
I WATCHED THE PEOPLE VEER RIGHT INTO THE BIKE LANE.
WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE PUBLIC AND, UH, WE HAVE, I HAVE THREE CARDS.
IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO DO A CARD NOW, IT WOULD BE THE TIME.
UH, THIS IS JAMES, UH, CAPELLI.
WHO? CAPELLI WE GO, EXCUSE ME.
I WAITED ALL NIGHT FOR I UNDERSTAND.
YOU HAVE TO BE ON A MICROPHONE.
OKAY, SO WHY DON'T YOU STEP UP TO THE PODIUM.
I STILL HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS TO SAY.
SO, UH, BOB, UH, PIKE, YOU'LL BE NUMBER TWO AND YOU'LL BE ON DECK.
SO JAMES, SAY YOUR NAME AND, UH, CITY OF RESIDENCE.
JAMES CAPELLI, CITY OF SEDONA.
UH, MAYOR, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND ALL.
I WOULD ASK YOU AS A CITIZEN OF SEDONA, PLEASE LISTEN, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA.
UM, I HAVE A QU A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I'M ON THE BUZZER.
I THOUGHT IN OVERTIME IT WOULDN'T BE.
UM, CARRIE, LUKE, MY BUDDY LUKE, WENT TO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS TOGETHER.
UM, THE, YOU TALKED ABOUT THERE WAS NO STUDY FOR TRAFFIC FLOW DOWN, DOWN ON SKYLINE DRIVE, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY A SIX UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK US THE QUESTIONS AND, AND YOU ASK BY ASKING US THE QUESTIONS.
AND IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO, UH, OR HAS AN ANSWER, THEN HE COULD PROVIDE IT.
SO I'LL ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN.
UM, THERE WAS NO REVIEW DONE ON TRAFFIC BECAUSE THIS IS A SIX UNIT SUBDIVISION.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, HANUKAH JUST TO CORRECT.
I THINK WE HAD TO DO A, I'M SORRY, WE, I'M SORRY.
WE DON'T DO A CROSS DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE APPLICANTS.
I KNOW IT SEEMS NO CROSS DISCUSSION.
SO IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD WAIT, LUKE, AND IF YOU COULD JUST DO YOUR WHOLE COMMENTS AND WE'LL TAKE THEM DOWN WHAT YOUR QUESTIONS ARE AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM ADDRESSED WHEN WE COME BACK INTO DISCUSSION.
THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING OUR PROCESS.
THE OTHER ONE IS THE GATED ENTRY YOU TALKED ABOUT FOR EMERGENCIES.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A, A LOCKED GATE.
UH, WE PRESUME, UM, IT'LL BE A CODED GATE THAT ONLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD BE TO, COULD, COULD GO TO.
UM, ALSO THAT IS IT GONNA BE A PATH? WILL IT BE A PAVED ROAD? WILL IT BE CEMENTED? UM, AND THEN ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'LL BE A, UH, UH, OPEN GATE FOR RESIDENTS AND JUST WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING FOR THAT WITH, WITH, WITH THE RESIDENTS.
UM, BECAUSE I, I HAVE TO SAY, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S AWARE OF THAT AREA.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE ON, ON SKYLINE DRIVE, JUST BASED ON 40% OF OUR AREA BEING AIRBNBS.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THE AMOUNT OF CARS GOING UP AND DOWN THERE.
UM, AND SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING THERE, BUT I COUNTED ONE TIME, 12 CARS TURNING AROUND IN MY AREA BECAUSE THEY COME, THEY'RE TAR, THEY'RE LOST, THEY DON'T KNOW.
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TURN AROUND, THEY TURN OUT.SO THERE IS A VERY, VERY GOOD TRAFFIC FLOW GOING, PARTICULARLY AT THE VERY TOP OF SKYLINE THAT ARE ALL AIRBNBS.
THERE'S CARS GOING UP AND DOWN THERE AT NIGHT AND DAY.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT THAT IS, THAT THAT IS FLOW THAT IS FLOWING THROUGH THERE.
SO I, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
UM, AND I JUST, JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE GATE.
AND, UM, ALSO ONE LAST QUESTION, WHY NO, NO PUBLIC REVIEW ON THE HOMES.
YOU, YOU GIVE US THE QUESTIONS, WE CAN ADDRESS THEM.
WHY NO PUBLIC REVIEW ON THE HOMES.
OKAY, BOB, WHO'S FOLLOWED BY JIM BLAIR, UH, CON, UH, BOB PIKE, UH, RESIDENT OF SEDONA, REPRESENTING MYSELF, BUT ALSO, UH, AT LEAST 36 OF OUR 60 NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SIGNED, UH, ONTO A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE.
UM, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE THIS AS A VERY MINOR REQUEST.
IT WILL BE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.
UH, AND IT WILL BE AN OPEN INVITATION TO INVITE PEOPLE TO GO UP.
WHAT WE JUST HEARD WAS A VERY BUSY, A VERY NARROW, UH, ROAD THAT CAN BE VERY TREACHEROUS.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO NOT PUT A SIDEWALK IN.
UH, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE NEED FOR THE EMERGENCY, UH, ROUTE INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ALL WE WANT IS NO SIDEWALK THERE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK WE DO WANT A SIDEWALK ON 1 79, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A SOCIAL TRAIL THERE ALREADY, SO PEOPLE ARE USING IT AS A SIDEWALK IN THE MUD.
UH, AND THERE'S ALSO A TURNOFF FOR, UM, FOR BUSES.
AND SO DOWN THE ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA HAVE A SIDEWALK IF IN FACT, BUS SERVICE STOPS AT THAT POINT.
SO, AT ANY RATE, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A SMALL CONCESSION OF, UH, ELIMINATING A SIDEWALK, UH, THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS, UH, WILL UPSET THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY AND, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DO NOT WANT.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
WE'LL, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT OH, YOU CAN'T ASK ME.
YOU HAVE THE LIGHTS ON TO YOUR RIGHT.
OKAY, SO THIS IS A NEW PLA MAP AND ALL THE ONES I SAW, INCLUDING UP TO THE ONES THAT WERE PUBLISHED ON YOUR WEBSITE AS OF LAST WEEK, DID NOT SHOW ANY DETAIL ALONG SKYLINE DRIVE.
AND I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT SIGNED, UH, BOB'S PETITION FOR NO SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.
UM, BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS UNDERSTAND, UH, AND THAT HAS DETAIL THAT I, I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY, BUT I WANT TO KNOW IF THE ROAD AT SKYLINE INTERFACE TO THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE WIDENED.
IS THAT THE GOAL? UH, I ALSO WANT TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES.
UM, THERE'S A CULVERT, UH, A CULVERT, BUT A, A RACEWAY FOR WATER DOWN THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT STREET BACK THAT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
BUT THE NORTH SIDE, UH, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH IF THE PROPERTY, UH, IF THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES THAT THE STREET BE WIDENED.
AND I ALSO WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE, UH, IT'S A 25 FOOT ACCESS FOR THE, UH, TURNAROUND IN THE PROPERTY THAT COMES DOWN TO SKYLINE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE DESCRIBE TO ME WHAT THE DEFINITION OF THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, HOW IS IT GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED? UH, AND KNOWING THAT THERE IS A RACEWAY FOR WATER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, UH, SKYLINE DRIVE.
AND ALSO, WHERE WOULD I GET A COPY OF THIS, UH, PLAT, BECAUSE THIS IS BRAND NEW TO ME.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S DETAIL DOWN THERE THAT'S UNIQUE TO THE SKYLINE INTERFACE.
COULD IT ASK A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION OF STAFF, PLEASE? I'M GONNA DO THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST? YEAH, JUST CUZ IT'S NOT A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE DISCUSSION THING.
CARRIE, WAS THE PACKET UPDATED WITH THE LATEST INFO? NO, BUT THIS IS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, WHICH HAVE BEEN ON THE WEBSITE.
AND SO IT'S, THERE'S A PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH IS JUST DEALING WITH THE RO LIKE THE ONSITE, HOW THE ROAD'S GONNA, OR HOW THE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE,
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YOU KNOW, SUBDIVIDED.THIS IS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS DOCUMENT.
AND I KNEW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SIDEWALK, SO I MADE SURE TO HAVE THIS AS A SLIDE, BUT IT HAS BEEN ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, JUST ANYBODY ON ON THE DAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
GENERALLY A LOT OF QUESTIONS TOO.
SO WHY DON'T, UH, START FROM, UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON DOES IT.
I WONDER, DOES ANYBODY WALK ALONG SKYLINE DRIVE TO GET DOWN TO 1 79 FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHETHER PEOPLE WALK ON THOSE DANGEROUS WINDY STREETS? DOG WALKERS? YEAH, THAT'S IT.
HE DOG WALKERS, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT, YOU'RE, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO YOU AT THIS POINT,
COUNCIL FERMAN, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WHAT WOULD BE THE TREATMENT AT THE END OF THIS SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE
UM, IF IT JUST STOPS, WE'D HAVE TO PUT UP BARRICADES.
BUT I'M SURE THE CITY WOULD REQUIRE ME TO PUT IN A CURB, UH, CURB RAMP SO THAT THEY COULD GET BACK ONTO THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PUT A ADA RAMP.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THANK YOU.
CARRIE, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY SOME, SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, UH, WAS, UH, REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND THEN ALSO IF YOU COULD CLARIFY ABOUT, UM, THE EMERGENCY EGRESS AND HOW THAT, WHAT KIND OF A GATE THAT WOULD BE WITH THE LOCK GATE.
AND WHEN I THINK A QUESTION CAME ABOUT PUL VIEW OF A HOUSE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING BEFORE US AT THE MOMENT REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF ANY HOMES.
THIS IS A PLAT APPROVAL, RIGHT? FOR THE LOTS, THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSES IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD, IS A SEPARATE ISSUE, RIGHT? SO I'LL LET HANUKAH OR ANDY ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC STUDY QUESTION FIRST.
SO TECHNICALLY PROPOSALS WITH FEWER THAN 10 LIVING UNITS ACTUALLY DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY TRAFFIC.
HOWEVER, THEY DID PROVIDE A TRIP GENERATION STUDY, WHICH I THINK ASSUMED DURING THE PEAK HOURS, A MAX OF SEVEN VEHICLES PER HOUR.
UM, THE, THE THRESHOLD THAT WOULD TRIGGER A FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS ACTUALLY 100 CARS PER PEAK HOUR.
SO THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THAT THRESHOLD.
AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS REGARDING THE EMERGENCY, OH, UM, I NEED CLARIFICATION.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS JUST GRAVEL OR ASPHALT, BUT JUST A SIMPLE CULVERT UNDERNEATH WOULD BE ABLE TO CONVEY THE EXISTING CLOTHES.
AND WOULD IT BE A BAR GATE? UM, I THINK WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, ANOTHER GATE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN A FULL DISCUSSION ON THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A GATE AND IF IT'S LOCKED IT HAS TO HAVE A KNOCK BOX.
SO, AND WE CAN DO THAT AND, AND THE ROAD WILL PROBABLY BE AB WITH DECOMPOSED GRANITE ON IT.
SO IT LOOKS NICE, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE SO THAT THE FIRETRUCKS THE LOAD.
SO THE FIRETRUCK WILL, FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD.
VICE MAYOR, UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT DRAINAGE AND ABOUT, UM, WHETHER THERE WOULD BE ANY ENGINEERING DONE TO ADDRESS.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL THE DRAININGS ALONG THERE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DO THE AREA OF INFLUENCE AND I'M SURE ANDY AND HANUKKAH WILL KEEP ME TO THAT.
UM, AND IF THERE'S NO SIDEWALK THERE, WE CAN TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE CURB AND, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY WE WANT TO HAVE A NICE CLEAN LINE THERE.
AND WERE YOU PROPOSING A SIDEWALK OR WAS THAT A, SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IMPOSED ON YOU? IT'S REQUIRED BY THE LDC.
AND I MEAN, WERE YOU IN, UH, SO YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE LDC, BUT ON YOUR OWN, WOULD YOU HAVE PUT ONE THERE? YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY IN UPTOWN, WHICH HAS PROBABLY, THE ROADS ARE 18 FEET WIDE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE OUT WALKING AND WALKING THEIR DOGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE SLOW AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO SAY HI TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.
SO I'M NOT ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF SIDEWALKS, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CITY'S COMING FROM 'EM BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF, EVEN WITH TRAFFIC, WE'RE
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STUCK WITH ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF MOST OF THE SUBDIVISIONS.AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO CONNECTIVITY.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE IDEA OF WHAT THE CITY WAS TRYING TO DO.
IF SO, I GUESS IK, UH, THE FIRST, THEIR FIRST PLAID DID NOT HAVE A SIDEWALK.
IT WAS ADDED ON WHEN WE SAID THAT THE CITY CODE REQUIRES SIDEWALKS ALONG ALL FRONTAGES OF A PROJECT.
AND I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, HOLLY, IF I MAY GO AHEAD ON THAT.
WHERE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE SPEED LIMIT OF THE STREET THERE? ANDY'S RAISING HIS HAND.
I DON'T THINK I ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS NOW.
SO THE SPEED LIMIT FOR A RESIDENTIAL, UH, LOCAL STREET, LIKE THIS IS AUTOMATICALLY 25 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT AT LEAST IF THE SIDEWALK WENT UP TO THE POINT OF THE EMERGENCY ACCESS, YOU WOULD THEN, IF YOU LIVE IN THIS NEW, UM, AREA HERE, YOU WOULD THEN HAVE A LOOP.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE A SIDEWALK TO NO, AT THAT POINT.
AT LEAST IF YOU BRING IT TO THAT POINT.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
ANYTHING, ANYTHING FURTHER? UH, KAREN, YOU HAD A PINE ABOUT SIDEWALK.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY KNOWS YOUR POSITION ON THAT.
UM, VICE MAYOR, IT WAS REALLY IN CONSULTATION WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR SEGMENT OF SIDEWALK.
AND I THINK THE CONSENSUS FROM STAFF WAS THAT THE CRITICAL SIDEWALKS, UM, FOR MULTIMODAL THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS GOING TO BE CHAPEL ROAD IN 1 79 MM-HMM.
AND THAT THIS SEGMENT COULD BE, IF WE WERE GOING TO ELIMINATE ANY SIDEWALKS, THIS WOULD BE, UH, A LOGICAL ONE.
UM, SOMETHING NOT WORTH FIGHTING OVER, I SUPPOSE.
UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS UNLIKELY TO CONTINUE IN THAT AREA MM-HMM.
WHAT IS, WHO OWNS THAT? IS THAT FORESTLAND? WHAT IS THAT? NO, THAT'S A SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME.
SO THAT'S ALREADY BUILT THERE.
THIS IS AN OUTLINE OF A HOUSE HERE OR A, A FENCE OR SOMETHING.
THE SIDEWALKS, A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, IF IT'S JUST DEVELOPING ON ITS OWN, WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS.
IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND NEW SUBDIVISIONS AND NEW ROADS.
AND SO YEAH, WHAT KAREN SAID, THERE'S NOTHING PAST THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD LIKELY TO BE REDEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COULD REQUIRE THEM TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS.
WE HAVE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'D LIKE TO ASK ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS PRESENT, IF I CAN A QUESTION.
AM I ALLOWED TO DO THAT? OR WHO? WHO? BOB.
SO, SO BOB, YOU ELOQUENTLY REF, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE IF IT WERE TO BE ON SKYLINE, BUT YOU ALSO MENTIONED BRINGING IT DOWN ON 1 79 ALL THE WAY TO SKYLINE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE IF YOU BRING IT DOWN TO SKYLINE AND, AND IT THERE.
SO HOW IS THAT REALLY ANY DIFFERENT THAN TAKING IT PODIUM, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING AHEAD AND TURNING THE CORNER AND BRINGING IT UP ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE? IT'S, IT'S STILL, I'M JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT TIDE WALK IN NOWHERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A SOCIAL TRAIL THERE MM-HMM.
SO IF YOU, YOU JUST STEP TWO FEET OVER THE CURB WHERE THE BIKE PATH IS ON 1 79, THERE IS A SOCIAL TRAIL.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO FEEL SCARED OF WALKING ON 1 79 AS THEY SHOULD DOWN THERE.
AND AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THOUGH, THERE IS A TURNOUT THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN BY ADOT.
UH, AND I ASSUME DURING, IN THE FUTURE WITH, WITH THE TRANSPORTATION PLANS THAT WE HAVE, THAT THAT'S A LIKELY PLACE TO HAVE A BUS STOP.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I THINK THE 1 79, UM, SIDEWALK THERE WOULD MAKE SENSE, UH, PROVEN USE BECAUSE THERE'S A SOCIAL TRAIL AND YOU'VE GOT THE TURNOFF.
AND ALSO, UH, DON'T FORGET, THERE WILL
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BE A SIDEWALK UP WEST CHAPEL, UHHUHAND WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RESPONSE TO THE IDEA OF MAYBE JUST EXTENDING IT TO THE EMERGENCY EGRESS LANE? AGAIN, THAT GETS TO THE AESTHETICS OF COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT, IT STILL WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE JARRING.
UM, I DON'T REALLY DARK LOOK, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS VERY NARROW.
AND, AND, AND I THINK IT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF SKY MOUNTAIN RANCH WHEN YOU GO IN THERE.
EVEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER THAN THE FULL SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE
BUT I STILL DON'T THINK THAT, UM, MY NEIGHBORS WOULD, WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
UH, QUESTION, MAY I HAVE QUESTION? COUNCIL WILLIAMSON? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ANDY, UM, IT'S A NARROW, HOW IS THERE ROOM FOR ANY SIDEWALK IF THE STREET'S SO NARROW, THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE ADDED TO IT AND THE, THE NOTES ON THE CONSTRUCTION FIRE, I'M SORRY, THE, THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE EXTENDED.
IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE STREET, IT WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY.
NO, IT WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT WOULD BE YES.
BEYOND THE EDGE OF THE CURRENT ROAD.
AND THERE'S THE, NO, IT'S NOT TAKE MAKING ANYTHING NARROWER.
BRINGING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
VICE MAYOR, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS, UM, BASED ON WHAT KAREN HAS SAID ABOUT IT BEING THE LEAST IMPORTANT, NOT A PRIORITY, LOTS OF PROJECTS AND NOTHING BEING PLANNED TO BE DEVELOPED ANYWHERE NEAR THERE SOON, I WOULD SUPPORT THE REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO REMOVE THE SIDEWALK FROM THAT PORTION.
ARE YOU GOING IN A, JUST A ROTATION? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA GO THIS WAY AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
NOW I JUST HAVE A, A QUICK QUESTION.
SO, UM, IF I UNDERSTOOD THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION IN WHICH WE WERE GONNA DISCUSS THIS SIDEWALK IN MORE DETAIL, UM, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION FROM THE DEVELOPER ABOUT NOT DOING THIS SIDEWALK? DO THEY BELIEVE THIS? ONLY BECAUSE YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED IT WASN'T THERE ORIGINALLY.
YEAH, I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO, HE'LL GO ALONG WITH THAT.
I MEAN, YEAH, ONE LESS THING TO DO, ONE LESS THING TO DO, ONE LESS THING TO UPSET THE NEIGHBORS, AND WE WANT TO TRY TO, OKAY.
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE THAT SINCE THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE CRITICAL TO THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE WALKING, LIKE ON 1 79, I WOULD AGREE THAT I WOULD SUPPORT A VARIANCE FOR THIS, THIS COUNCIL FOLTZ, YOU KNOW, WHO'S ABSENT TONIGHT ARE SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT, UH, RODEE IN AND OBJECTED TO SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, I THOUGHT MAYBE WE'D HEAR FROM SOME OF THEM TONIGHT, BUT, UH, I VERY FIRMLY BELIEVE IN THE, THE CONNECTIVITY OF, UM, HAVING SIDEWALKS AND SHARED USE PATHS.
SO CERTAINLY THE, UH, NORTH SIDE IS A, IS A DEFINITE MUST, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE ENSURING THAT, YOU KNOW, OHV DRIVERS OR OWNERS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PULL UP ON THAT SIDEWALK AND, AND UNLOAD THEIR OHV.
THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA THAT THEY BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME.
UM, I AM INCLINED TO GO ALONG WITH THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CREATING ANY SORT OF PRECEDENT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GONNA START WAVING SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS, BUT HAVING BEEN AT ON THE SKY MOUNTAIN RANCH PROPERTY AND KNOWING HOW STEEP, WINDY, ET CETERA, AND THAT, IT'S SO, SO UNLIKELY THAT WE'LL BE PUTTING SIDEWALK THERE IN ANY DECADE SOON.
UM, I WILL GO ALONG WITH, UH, THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, BUT I WILL ALSO ASK, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD THE OWNER CONSIDER MAKING SOME TYPE OF DONATION IN LIEU OF THE COST OF THAT SIDEWALK? SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD VALUE IN TERMS OF A DONATION? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, I HAVE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO GO WITH THAT.
UH, ALONG THE, NOT SO MUCH A DONATION, BUT WHEN I GET TO IT.
YEAH, NO ONE USES THAT EXCEPT DOG WALKERS.
I EXPECT THERE'S A LOT OF DOG WALKERS
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AND IF IT'S AS WINDY AND AS PEOPLE RACING EVERYWHERE, LIKE HAS BEEN SORT OF STATED HERE, I, UH, I ACTUALLY THINK A BLOCK OF OF SIDEWALK IS, IS A GOOD THAT THAT CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO FURTHER SIDEWALK ALONG 1 79.I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THAT IS A SMART THING TO DO.
AND, AND I, I, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT I AGREE WITH, UM, KAREN, THAT IT'S NOT WORTH FIGHTING OVER.
I COULD GO TO THE MAT ON THAT, SO I WOULD, I'LL GO ALONG WITH IT, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY SHORTSIGHTED NOT TO WELCOME ANY AREA THAT PROVIDES SAFETY TO DOG WALKERS AND PEDESTRIANS IN AN AREA THAT IS CLAIMED TO BE AS DANGEROUS AS I, I EXPECT IT IS.
I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH NO SIDEWALKS AND NARROW STREETS, AND I'M A, I'M AN, I'M AFRAID WHEN I, I MEAN I WALK ON THE STREETS, BUT IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE APPREHENSIVE AND I WOULD APPRECIATE EVEN A BLOCK OF, OF SAFETY AND NOT HAVING TO WORRY.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE, IF IT'S NOT WORTH FIGHTING OVER, I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT I, I THINK SIDEWALKS MAKES SENSE.
UM, AND ALTHOUGH IT'S BEEN CHARACTERIZED AS JUST AN LDC REQUIREMENT, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO DO.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WORTH FIGHTING OVER.
I DO THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING THIS CITY FOR RESIDENTS YEARS FROM NOW, AND I DO NOT LIKE THE PRECEDENT OF BACKING AWAY EVEN INCREMENTALLY FROM OUR DESIRE FOR MORE WALKABILITY, IT'S SAFETY AND ITS HEALTH.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE WALKWAY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THIS PROPERTY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PERHAPS SOME TREATMENT AT THE END OF THAT SIDEWALK THAT INDICATES TO ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE THERE, THAT IT'S GONNA BE WINDY AND DANGEROUS AND NARROW AHEAD.
AND, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE THAT SOME SECOND THOUGHT, I THINK IT'S MOST IMPORTANT PROBABLY TO HAVE A SIDEWALK CLOSER TO 1 79.
CUZ THAT'S WHERE THE CARS ARE MOVING THE FASTEST WHEN THEY COME AROUND THE CORNER.
AND I THINK A SIDEWALK THERE IS ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO THINK ABOUT HAVING THE SIDEWALK ONLY COME UP TO THE EMERGENCY EXIT TO GIVE THIS, THE FUTURE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE HERE RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE NO FUTURE RESIDENTS THERE.
THERE ARE GONNA BE MORE PEOPLE HERE, THERE IS GONNA BE MORE FOOT TRAFFIC.
WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THEIR SAFETY.
I WOULD LIKE TO THINK ABOUT AND THEIR HEALTH ABOUT THIS LOOP THAT WAS MENTIONED, THIS WALKABILITY LOOP AROUND, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS TO, TO THE EMERGENCY EXIT ON THAT COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN 1 79 IN, IN THAT WAY.
BUT I WOULD URGE MY FELLOW COUNSELORS TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF WALKABILITY.
ELLA, COULD YOU JUST HOLD FOR ONE SECOND? ANDY, YOU HAVE A, SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD?
ONE THING I, I FELT LIKE I MIGHT WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS MIGHT ADDRESS BOTH THE NEED FOR THE PATH OFF THE STREET AS WELL AS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE STREET AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE, INSTEAD OF USING CONCRETE FOR THAT SECTION ON SKYLINE TO MAKE IT OUT OF DG, LIKE WHAT WE HAVE ON DRY CREEK ROAD AND SOLDIER PASS ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD SATISFY THE CONCERN, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHY WE USE THAT WHERE WE CAN, LIKE IN THE PARKS, IN AREAS LIKE THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING COMPRESSED GRANITE? RIGHT.
OKAY, THAT MAKES SOME SENSE TO ME.
UM, SO I DON'T USUALLY LIKE SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I DO LIKE SIDEWALKS A LONG ROAD FRONTAGE BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THAT IS WHERE YOU NEED THE SEPARATION FROM TRAFFIC TO PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, UM, WHEN IT'S IN THE BACK OR FOLLOWING TRAILS OR SOMETHING.
I HAVE VERY OTHER VIEWS OF PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN, BUT ALONG ROADS I DO THINK THEY MAKE SENSE.
AND ESPECIALLY I THINK COUNCIL FERMAN MADE A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE HERE.
HOWEVER, I ALSO THINK IT'S A CONVINCING ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT THIS IS NOT ONE, UM, SWORD TO DIE ON FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK WHAT ANDY JUST CAME UP WITH IS A VERY GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I DO THINK, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, HEADING AWAY FROM 1 79, IT'S, BUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE EMERGENCY ACCESS AND 1 79, I THINK THAT'S FRONTAGE WHERE A
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SIDEWALK ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE TO ME.SO I THINK AT THIS POINT STAFF HAS GOTTEN THREE, AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT VIEWS UP HERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT.
SOMEBODY HAS TO SYNTHESIZE THIS.
NOW I, I HAVE, I'M LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL PHOTO ON GOOGLE EARTH AND YOU KNOW, I PASSED THAT EVERY DAY SEVERAL TIMES A DAY.
I HAD NO IDEA THAT FOR THE SOUTHBOUND 1 79, THE BIKE LANE ONLY WENT A HUNDRED FEET.
I, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY, BUT SO IF THE, WHAT'S THAT? IT'S THE SIDEWALK, NOT THE BIKE LANE.
THE BIKE LANE IS IN, IN PARALLEL TO THE SIDEWALK AND STOPS AT THE SIDEWALK ON THE SO SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.
SO, AND I NEVER REALIZED THAT.
SHE'S LAUGHING, SHE'S LAUGHING.
I WOULD SAY ZOOM OUT ON YOUR VIEWPOINT.
I'M ZOOMING IN AND I'M SEEING, OH, WAIT, WAIT.
WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE TRANSITION TO THAT TURN LANE, HAS THAT GOT THAT GREEN STRIPING HANDY? OH, DOES THAT HAVE THAT GREEN STRIPING FOR TRANSITION? NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT GREEN.
THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE HANUKAH.
YOU MISSED SOMETHING
UM, IN ANY EVENT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SIDEWALK.
IF THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE SIDEWALK ON SKYLINE, CONTINUE THE SIDEWALK ALONG 1 79 TO SKYLINE INTERSECTION.
IT IT, THAT IS PART OF THE, OKAY.
WHAT I'M, I THOUGHT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS HERE, ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
I DIDN'T SEE, I DIDN'T IS THAT BREAK? AND SO THEY'RE SHOWING THE EXTENSION ALONG 1 79 AND THEN ANOTHER SIDEWALK ALONG.
AND THAT'S WHERE I, I WAS GOING WITH COUNCILOR FOLTZ TO SAY THAT THEY SHOULD DONATE THE MONEY TO DO THAT.
BUT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.
UM, UH, AS FAR AS CONTINUING UP SKYLINE, IT'S GOING TO NOWHERE.
BUT IF, IF DOESN'T HAVE TO, IF IT'S KUSH GRANITE AS ANDY HAD SUGGESTED TO THE EMERGENCY GATE, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A HILL WORTH DYING OVER.
AND, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
I DON'T, I MEAN, I, I SEE A LOT OF CARS TURNING THERE, BUT I DON'T, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE YOU HAD THAT MANY VACATION RENTALS.
I THOUGHT FOR SURE MY NEIGHBOR OF ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU HAD MORE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE AS MANY AS I DO.
UH, I DON'T, I DEFINITELY DON'T SEE A NEED TO CONTINUE IT UP SKYLINE.
I JUST IT TO GO NOWHERE IS, AND I, I UNDERSTAND, UH, COUNCIL FURMAN, YOUR SUGGESTION THAT INTO THE FUTURE, BUT ON ANY OF THE STAFF'S PLAN, IT'S NOT IN THE FUTURE.
SO, AND IT CAN ALWAYS BE ADDED, UH, AT THE TI TIME IT EVER DOES COME.
SO, UM, OTHERWISE I'M FINE WITH, UH, SUPPORTING THE APPLICATION AS IT IS MINUS THE SIDEWALK ON SKYLINE DRIVE.
JESSICA, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? WELL, IT'S NOT A ROAD TO NOWHERE.
UM, AND I THINK ANDY HAD, UH, A, AN IDEA OF OF OF MAKING IT, UM, A LOOP.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WELL YES, BUT IT WAS STILL WELL, BUT IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE CUZ ALL EVERYTHING ENDS SOMEWHERE.
WELL IF IT WENT FURTHER UP, PA LET ME CLARIFY.
IF IT WENT FURTHER UP PAST THAT EMERGENCY, UH, ACCESS ROAD, THAT WOULD IN ESSENCE JUST TAKE IT UP SKYLINE DRIVE, WHERE NOT AS MANY PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD BE USING IT AS OPPOSED TO MAKING A LOOP.
UM, PERHAPS WE CAN HEAR FROM THE COUNSELORS WHO, THE THREE COUNSELORS WHO WERE OPPOSED TO HA OR WILLING TO DO AWAY WITH THE SIDEWALK.
CUZ I'M TOTALLY, UM, PERSUADED BY THE COUNCIL PERSON.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE ENERGY THAT HE HAD TO PUT INTO TO EXPLAINING WHY, BUT I ENTIRELY AGREE WITH HIM.
UM, JUST SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE THREE PEOPLE WHO OPPOS WHO WERE WILLING TO, TO DO AWAY WITH IT ABOUT THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.
WELL, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, LUKE SEPTON, HIS, WE'VE GIVEN YOU A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT THE SIDEWALK.
AS THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT, WHAT IS THE APPLICANT OR THE BUILDER WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE WITH? WELL, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WANTS OR WHATEVER THE PEOPLE WANT, AND I THINK WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS,
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UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD DO THAT.I UNDERSTAND THE PRECEDENCE, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S, IT'S WHAT WE WANT.
SO IT'S OUR DECISION WHAT YOU WANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE IDEA OF DECOMPOSED GRANITE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN PUT THAT OFF AND KIND OF CURVE IT UP SO IT'S MORE OF A PATHWAY.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD COMPROMISE, BUT THAT'S STILL, UM, AND WE COULD PROBABLY PUT SIGNS RESIDENTS ONLY BE ON THIS POINT OR SOMETHING.
THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE CRUSH GRANITE IS HARD.
WHAT'S THAT? OH, WAS TO SPEAK.
WELL I'LL LET HIM COME UP IN A SECOND.
UM, WOULD THE, AND ANDY HANUKKAH, BY PUTTING CRUSHED GRANITE ON THE SIDE OF, OF THE ROAD, WOULD THAT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE PULLING OFF AND PARKING IT? IT COULD.
UM, I THINK YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE STREET VIEW, YOU DO HAVE A ROADSIDE DITCH, SO YOU COULD PULL THAT AWAY IF YOU DID.
MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE AN EASEMENT SO THAT YOU COULD AVOID THE DRAINAGE.
OR IF YOU, IF YOU MAKE IT ATTACHED TO THE ROAD DRAIN, THEN AT THAT POINT THEY NEED TO DEAL WITH THE DRAINAGE, BUT OKAY.
I THINK THE BENEFIT WOULD BE THAT YOU CAN CONTROL THE PARKING AT THAT POINT.
I JUST WANNA, IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN HERE AND ASK THE AUDIENCE IF SOMEBODY HASN'T SPOKEN YET AND WANTED TO, WAS THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED ON THIS? IT WAS, SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.
I KNOW OUR RULES ARE A LITTLE, WELL, IF, IF THERE'S NO, WE HADN'T SPOKEN YET.
IT'S, THIS IS REALLY CONCERNING TO YOU.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM OPENING THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT FOR ONE PERSON TO SPEAK.
UH, JUST DO A CARD SO WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
YEAH, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD TAKE SECOND COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE.
NO, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SOMEONE WHO HASN'T SPOKEN, YOU CAN FILL OUT THE CARD AFTER YOU'VE SPOKEN.
WE WANNA TRY TO GET THIS MEETING.
UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS. JUST YOUR NAME AND I'M ASSUMING SEDONA.
SO, TOM LEVY SKYLINE DRIVE,
UM, I THINK THE IDEA OF THE DG UH, DEIMOS GRANITE, UH, AND HAVING THE LOOP CONNECT, UH, IS WOULD BE FINE.
FINE WITH FOUR OF US AT LEAST.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK WHAT, WHAT FOUR OUTTA FIVE.
I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
FOUR OUTTA 5, 4 4 OUTTA FIVE 80% OF US
UNLIKE WEST, UH, WEST, UH, CHAPEL HAS THREE TRAILS AND, AND ACCESS TO PUBLIC PLANTS.
THERE IS NO ACCESS ANYWHERE FROM THAT CORNER OUT ABOUT TWO MILES OF HOMES, UH, THAT ARE ALL PRIVATE.
SO THE ONLY WAY TO GET ON THERE IS SOME PEOPLE DO THROUGH ONE OF OUR, UH, ACCESS POINTS IS, UH, TRESPASS.
BUT, UH, SO ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BE WALKING THERE ADDS TO THE RISK OF PEOPLE WALKING THERE.
UH, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAVE LIVES.
I THINK IT ACTUALLY, UH, PUTS SOME MORE AT RISK IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU CONTINUE IT PAST THE, UH, UM, EMERGENCY EXIT.
SO D DG TO THE EMERGENCY EXIT, I THINK IS A, A GOOD COMPROMISE.
THAT'S 80% OF US BELIEVE THAT.
PLEASE DON'T FORGET TO FILL OUT YOUR CARD.
THAT WILL BE OUR LAST, UH, COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE.
UM, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON DID ASK THAT, UH, YOU, UH, YOU COUNSELORS MAY WANNA CHANGE YOUR OPINION OR ADD TO IT ON USING CRUSH GRANITE, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, YOUR ORIGINAL POINT.
SO COUNCIL FO FULTZ, IF A STRONG MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS ON SKYLINE OR ON SKY MOUNTAIN RANCH ARE, ARE GOOD WITH IT, I KNOW I SEE ONE, YOU KNOW.
BUT IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS SHAKING THEIR HEADS GOING, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE, THEN I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
SO, UM, I THINK, UM, CONSULAR FURMAN HAS MADE A A GOOD POINT, UH, AROUND SAFETY COMING AROUND 1 79.
I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD JUST BE BUILDING SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE THAT NO ONE'S PLANNING ON BUILDING A SIDEWALK.
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1 79, I CAN CERTAINLY SEE.UM, SO I MEAN, I'M JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I'M A DOG WALKER AND I HAVE TO WALK WITH NO SIDEWALKS UP TO SOLDIER'S PASS, WHICH HAS NO SIDEWALKS.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I'D BE OKAY WITH THE CRUSHED GRAVEL GOING UP TO THE GATE.
SO IT, IT JUST PROVIDES THAT LITTLE BIT OF ASSURITY AROUND THAT CORNER.
UM, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO MAKE IT A FULL SIDEWALK MATERIAL AND I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR IT TO GO ALL THE WAY, THE LENGTH OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
SO I WOULD AGREE WITH THE COMPROMISE.
MAYOR, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE COMPROMISE.
UM, I, I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO CLEARLY RESTATE THAT COMPROMISE BECAUSE I WANNA, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS STATED OKAY.
ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE BE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SIDEWALK OR THE CRUSHED GRANITE GOTTA BE TO SEE GRA DECON DECOMPOSED GRANITE.
ANDY WOULD TAKE OFF FROM THIS POINT HERE TO THE MIDPOINT TO, TO THE, UH, ACCESS POINT HERE.
THIS WOULD GIVE THE RESIDENCE RESIDENTS A FULL CIRCLE TO EITHER WALK, BIKE OR WHATEVER.
IS THAT THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE STAFF? CARRIE? YES.
ANYTHING DIFFERENT, KURT? NO, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
ALSO, WE JUST INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION RIGHT AS, UH, AMENDED.
SO IT'D BE A CONDITION AND THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, TO HAVE THAT CHANGE.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK AS A FINAL PLAT, YOU WOULD, YOU, THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE REFLECTED ON THAT DOCUMENT.
AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, AND THEN THE ACCESS POINT FROM ALONG SKYLINE FROM THE EMERGENCY, IT WORKS GREAT.
UH, HEADING IN THIS DIRECTION, NOTHING.
BUT WILL THERE BE A, IS THAT DEEDED RIGHT OF WAY TO THE CITY SHOULD SOMETHING CHANGE DECADES FROM NOW THAT, THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE AN ISSUE GOING IN TO PUT ON SIDEWALK THERE? ANDY, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT PLEASE? SO THE SIDEWALK WOULD FIT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE DON'T NEED NEW RIGHT OF WAY.
THE ONLY OTHER, I HATE TO COMPLICATE THIS, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR, SINCE WE'RE STATING EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS TYPICALLY THAT DECOMPOSED GRANITE HAS A, UH, STABILIZER MATERIAL APPLIED TO IT, WHICH MAKES IT HARD.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT TO BE ADA COMPLIANT.
SO COUNSELOR SELA, DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.
SO WE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT IN THE FUTURE IF WE WANTED TO, TO BUILD OR CONTINUE CORRECT.
WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING IT IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, RIGHT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST ONE COMMENT, LUKE, THAT THE REASON I ASKED ABOUT WHETHER THE OWNER WAS HERE TONIGHT WOULD BE THAT I WOULD ECHO FOR HIM WHAT COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON SAID IN THE PRIOR ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT THIS PROJECT IS GONNA BRING SIX MORE STR INTO OUR COMMUNITY POTENTIALLY.
AND WE, WE NEED RESIDENTS, PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA VOTE THAT ARE GONNA BE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I REALLY WISH THAT THE OWNER WOULD CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING THE CCNRS, UH, EXCLUDE THE POSSIBILITY OF SDRS.
I'LL HAVE HIM LOOK AT COUNCILOR COUNCILWOMAN, UH, WILLIAMSON'S, UM, COMMENTS, CUZ THAT WAS VERY ELOQUENTLY PUT MY PASSION PLEA
LUKE IS THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY LOCAL, UH, CHRIS, UM, RIFE, HE'S DONE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN SEDONA.
UM, HIS MAIN RESIDENCE IS DOWN IN PHOENIX, BUT HE DOES OWN A HOUSE UP HERE.
JUST, JUST CURIOUS,
UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WITH, WITH THE, UH, JUDGES, I WILL MAKE A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 21 DASH 0 0 0 1 14 SUB CHAPEL VIEW TERRACE BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.5, UM, AS AMENDED PER DISCUSSION IN THE COUNCIL AND SATISFACTION OF THE SUBDIVISION FIVE DIGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT
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IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS AMENDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING OUR DISCUSSION.ANY, ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.
THANK YOU, UH, HANUKKAH FOR STAYING SO LATE, ANDY, WE APPRECIATE IT MORE.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS.
IF I DON'T SEE YOU, I'LL BE BACK.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A CHANGE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE RESCHEDULING, UH, ITEM C SCREEN.
[8.d. AB 2899 Discussion/possible action regarding updates to the Rent Local Program.]
ON TO ITEM D, AB 28 99, DISCUSSION ACTION.A POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING UPDATES TO THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM.
THAT WOULD BE SHANNON, I'M SURE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COUNSELORS.
UM, SOME OF YOU WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER JUST IN AUGUST APPROVING THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM.
UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL, UH, STIPULATIONS IN THE PROGRAM FOR QUALIFYING TO RECEIVE THE, THE INCENTIVE.
UM, I GOT AN OVERWHELMING RESPONSE TO COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE PROGRAM WITH OVER 200 CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, HOWEVER, IT'S NOW, UH, WE LAUNCHED THE PROGRAM SEPTEMBER 1ST, SO THREE MONTHS IN.
UM, AND I'VE APPROVED ONE APPLICATION SO FAR.
UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS? WHY, YOU KNOW, WHY IT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC? UM, YEAH, YEAH.
UM, UM, SO THERE WERE KIND OF THREE REASONS THAT MOST PEOPLE LISTED FOR, FOR NOT PARTICIPATING, UM, OR NOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS REALLY.
UM, THE, THE MAIN ONE WAS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, LIVED OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.
SO THEY LIVED IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK OR UP IN THE CANYON TO BE ON THE CITY LIMITS, SO COULDN'T QUALIFY.
UM, SO IT, IT MAY BE WORTH CONSIDERING OFFERING THE INCENTIVE TO HOMEOWNERS OUTSIDE OF THOSE AREAS.
UM, THE SECOND REASON WAS THAT THEY HAD NOT REGISTERED THEIR PROPERTY AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
SO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAD INCLUDED WAS THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL CONVERTING TO LONG-TERM RENTAL.
SO THOSE PEOPLE WHO HADN'T REGISTERED CAN'T REALLY SHOW
AND THE THIRD REASON WAS, UM, THAT THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO REFRAIN FROM SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR THREE YEARS.
UM, AND IT WASN'T JUST MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS, BUT A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY EVEN CALLED ME AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA RECOMMEND THIS TO OUR CLIENTS BECAUSE OF THIS.
UM, AND THEN AFTER DISCUSSING KIND OF THOSE RESULTS WITH THE, THE CITIZENS ADVISORY GROUP ON HOUSING, UM, THE GROUP SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S GET THAT ONE CHANGED.
THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN EASY ONE.
THE, THE THREE YEAR, UM, REFRAIN FROM SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
SO IF WE COULD ELIMINATE THAT REQUIREMENT, UM, THAT THE OWNER AGREED NOT TO DO SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR THREE YEARS, I THINK WE MIGHT GET SOME MORE RESPONSE.
DID THEY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, SHANNON, OF HOW MANY YEARS? OR JUST NOTHING? JUST ONE.
UM, ONE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TIME THAT THEY'RE DOING LONG TERM, THEY CAN'T SWITCH BACK TO SHORT TERM.
SHANNON, HOW HOW MANY OF THE 199 THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH, UM, FELL INTO THAT CATEGORY OF THE THREE YEAR LIMITATION BEING THE REASON, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T TRACK THEM BECAUSE I WASN'T EXPECTING SUCH AN OVERWHELMING RESPONSE.
JUST, UM, IT WAS JUST PHONE CALL AFTER PHONE CALL.
SO I WASN'T MARKING DOWN THE REASONS THAT JUST ANECDOTALLY WOULD, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THEM OR A THIRD OF THEM, OR JUST, I WOULD SAY A THIRD, LESS THAN THAT.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OTHER, IF YOU GOT PAST, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR PHONE CALLS WENT, SO I'M IMAGINING THAT ONCE YOU GOT TO A STUMBLING BLOCK AND IF THAT WAS THE STUMBLING BLOCK, THEN IT DIDN'T PROCEED FURTHER.
SO WE DON'T KNOW THAT IF THAT CHANGED AND WAS NOT THE STUMBLING BLOCK, WOULD ONE OF THE OTHER STUMBLING BLOCKS THEN ALSO FALL INTO PLACE? IS
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THERE A, DO YOU HAVE ANY GUESS ON THAT? IF THAT WOULD BE LIKELY? I CAN'T EVEN GUESS WHAT THE PERCENTAGE MIGHT BE, BUT I WOULD SAY FOR MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THAT CATEGORY, IT BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT.YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY CAN, THAT THEY'RE STUCK WITH.
THEY COULD, THEY COULD PARTICIPATE OR NOT PARTICIPATE BY CHOICE BASED ON THAT.
SO LET ME ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
DO, DO YOU KNOW, UM, IF DID THAT, WAS THAT QUESTION ASKED FIRST, YOU KNOW, IS ABOUT THE THREE OR, OR WAS IT THE LAST QUESTION OF THE THREE, DO YOU LIVE IN THE CITY? YOU KNOW, IS, IS IT, IS IT, UM, ARE YOU REGISTERED AND THEN ARE YOU UP FOR THE THREE YEAR LIMITATION? WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS I'M TRYING TO KNOW HOW MANY UNITS THIS WOULD REALLY IMPACT OR AFFECT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, WELL, THAT'S A COMMENT, SO LEMME JUST LEAVE THE QUESTION WHERE IT IS.
I'LL JUST CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE REALITY IS THE PROGRAM COULD ONLY SERVE PROBABLY 35, ROUGHLY MM-HMM.
SO, HOW DO I SAY THIS? I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, TAKING AWAY THAT REQUIREMENT IS GONNA CAUSE JUST A FLOOD OF APPLICATIONS, BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD OPEN UP TO MORE PEOPLE TO WHERE WE'D BE MORE LIKELY TO MEET THAT 35 IN THE FIRST YEAR.
UM, COUNSELOR FOLTZ, UH, FERMAN.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THIS PROGRAM IS PRESENTED TO PEOPLE.
AND WE HAVE THIS THREE YEAR COMMITMENT, WE'RE ASKING FOR THEM, BUT AS PART OF YOUR DISCUSSION WITH THEM THAT WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE YEAR GUARANTEED FUNDING, DO YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT UP TO THEM AS WELL? SO THEY, THEY COULD BE WORRIED ABOUT ONLY ONE YEAR OF FUNDING, BUT A THREE YEAR COMMITMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
AND SO IF WE HAD THREE YEARS OF FUNDING, THAT MIGHT ALSO SATISFY SOME OF THEM.
IT MIGHT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ARE MORE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVING UP REVENUE REGARDLESS.
THE INCENTIVE ISN'T ENOUGH TO MAKE UP FOR, AND WE KNEW THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK FOR SOME PEOPLE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ECONOMY, ABOUT INTEREST RATES RISING, ABOUT A VARIETY OF THINGS AND THINK I MIGHT WANT THAT BIGGER INCOME BACK SOMEDAY.
LIKE I'M WILLING TO DO IT, BUT MAYBE NOT FOR THREE YEARS.
THOSE WILL BE AMONGST EXACTLY MY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS MOVING FORWARD.
COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
VICE MAYOR? UH, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION, SHANNON.
I MEAN, PEOPLE WHO HAD NOT REGISTERED THEIR PROPERTY COULD REMEDY THAT PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE A EMERGENCY CONTACT COULD REMEDY THAT AND THEN THEY COULD BECOME ELIGIBLE, RIGHT? SO, SO IN NUMBER TWO THERE'S, THEY, THEY COULD DO THINGS THAT WOULD OPEN THE DOOR FOR THEM.
SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO DO THE I SUPPOSE THEY COULD.
IT'S A LITTLE, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT THAT? DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND REGISTER AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL WHEN THEIR INTENT IS TO DO LONG-TERM RENTAL AND NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT? SO YES.
WELL MAYBE THAT'S ONE THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
UH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER IF THEY HAVE EMPTY PROPERTY AND THEY WANT TO RENT AND THEY'RE CONSIDERING WHETHER IT WOULD BE SHORT TERM OR LONG TERM, WE INCENTIVIZE THEM TO, TO BE LONG TERM AND DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO LIST THEIR PROPERTY.
I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITIZEN ADVISORY GROUPS TALKED ABOUT? WE, WE DID.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT IT WAS KIND OF THOUGHT LIKE, THIS, THIS ONE ISSUE, WE SHOULD JUST GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY QUICKLY.
THE OTHERS, I'M NOT SURE, UM, IF THERE'S AS MUCH AGREEMENT ON THAT, BUT I DID GET SEVERAL CALLS ACTUALLY FROM NEW HOMEOWNERS WHO WERE PLANNING TO DO SHORT TERM RENTAL.
EITHER THAT OR THEY WERE PEOPLE WHO HADN'T REGISTERED AND DIDN'T WANNA SAY THAT THEY HADN'T REGISTERED.
BUT YEAH, I DID GET A LOT OF CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO SAID, I WAS JUST, JUST TRYING TO DECIDE AND NOW I WOULD LIKE TO RENT A LOCALS, BUT I CAN'T BECAUSE I DIDN'T OWN THIS PROPERTY BEFORE.
I DIDN'T HAVE IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL OR IT WAS JUST SITTING VACANT.
SO SEE, THESE TO ME ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE COULD, THAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE.
AND I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING AN OBSTACLE IN THEIR WAY.
I THINK TO SHANNON'S POINT AND, AND WHY THE, THE HOUSING COMMITTEE WAS SPLIT ON THIS IS THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED WHEN IT'S A PROPERTY THAT WAS NOT USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
SO INITIALLY THE, THE, WE WERE GETTING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE GETTING RID OF ANTR AND
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GAINING AN LTR WITH THE LONG-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LONG-TERM RENTALS.AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ARE LONG-TERM RENTALS OR OWNER-OCCUPIED AND RIGHT.
WE KNOW THE, THE REGISTRY OF SHORT TERM, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE TO LONG TERM RENT IT.
SO I LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION WHERE MY CCN RS DO NOT ALLOW LESS THAN 30 DAY RENTALS.
SO FOR THOSE SITUATIONS WHEN THEY HAVE TO ALREADY, AND WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT NECESSARILY ARE WE GONNA WANT TO SUBSIDIZE SOMEONE WHO, WHO HAS NO OTHER OPTION MM-HMM.
AND I THINK THAT'S JUST A COMPLEXITY THAT WE HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED OUT.
HOW DO WE SORT THROUGH THAT THAT, AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REMAINS ON THE LIST FOR THE HOUSING COMMITTEE TO LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO SEE HOW WOULD WE DO THAT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE AND DOESN'T UNNECESSARILY SUBSIDIZE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO YEAH.
COMPELLED TO DO LONG-TERM RENTALS ANYWAY.
CAN I, AS BEING A, A MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE, THERE ARE A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS SOMETHING CAN BE STRUCTURED AND A MILLION DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT PARTICIPATE.
THE IDEA IS TO MAKE IT FOC TO MAKE THIS PROGRAM, THIS ONE PROGRAM FOCUSED ON GETTING PROPERTIES OUT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND INTO LONG-TERM RENTALS.
THERE MAY BE OTHER PROGRAMS TO CAPTURE OTHER GROUPS OF, OF PEOPLE, BUT THOSE, THIS IS, UH, ONE PROGRAM THAT IF WE TRY TO ADDRESS TOO MANY GROUPS OF POSSIBLE OWNERS WILL NEVER GET ONE PROGRAM GOING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE KIND OF ENDED UP AT THIS POINT MM-HMM.
IF YOU HAVEN'T LISTED IT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, YOU'RE NOT GIVING UP ANYTHING BY DOING THE LONG TERM, BY CONVERTING TO LONG TERM RENTAL.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL HERE IS A ONE FOR ONE CONVERSION.
SO I THINK IN ANY NEW PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY SMALL PROGRAMS, I THINK IT'S USEFUL TO TALK ABOUT NARROW DEFINITION OF, OF THE GOALS OF ONE PROGRAM, AND THEN TALK ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS OTHER GROUPS WITH DIFFERENT PROGRAMS OR WITH PERHAPS MODIFYING THIS PROGRAM.
BUT LET'S AT LEAST GET SOMETHING GOING.
SO THAT, I THINK WAS THE, THE THOUGHT BEHIND THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM.
I GUESS MY, I MY THOUGHT IS ANY ADDITIONAL LONG-TERM RENTAL IS A POSITIVE THING.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR GOAL WAS TO CONVERT FROM SHORT TERM TO LONG TAKE IT OUTTA SHORT TERM INTO LONG TERM.
AND I WILL SAY THE PROGRAM HAS PROBABLY GENERATED ADDITIONAL LONG-TERM RENTALS, UM, JUST FROM THE INTEREST THAT, THAT IT CREATED, AND IT JUST DREW ATTENTION TO THE NEED FOR SOME PEOPLE.
SO, SHANNON, I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE FOR A SECOND.
I'M INTERESTED THAT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS NU NUMBER ONE, THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU WERE HAVING, UM, BECAUSE WE DID, AND I, BUT I DID KNOW THAT IT WAS NOT OPEN TO THE VILLAGE, OAK CREEK.
ANY IDEA HOW MANY OF THOSE, AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, BUT HOW MANY OF, OF, UH, PROPERTIES IN THE VILLAGE OAK CREEK WOULD CONSIDER, UH, THE ORIGINAL OFFER THREE YEARS OR EVEN THE ONE YEAR, HOW MANY WE LOSE, HOW MANY WOULD WE GAIN BY OPENING UP TO THE VILLAGE IS MY QUESTION? AT NINE O ALMOST NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
UM, SO HARD TO SPECULATE BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT I HAD INITIALLY, AND THEN THE ONE APPLICANT DID THE ONE APPLICANT COME FROM THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, BUT, BUT THERE WERE NO, OKAY.
BUT I DID HAVE ANOTHER APPLICATION, UM, THAT WAS IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK THAT I TURNED DOWN.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE RECEIVED IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, SEVERAL, UH, CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO, UH, THEY'RE ALREADY DOING LONG-TERM RENTALS AND THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE PART IN IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ANSWER IS OF THAT.
UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF, NUMBER ONE, IF WE GAIN ANYTHING FROM THE VILLAGE ROYAL CREEK, OR DO WE WANNA INCENTIVIZE THE PEOPLE FROM THE VILLAGE, ROYAL CREEK? I THINK WE WOULD GAIN SOMETHING.
AND INITIALLY MY FEELING WAS NO, WE SHOULDN'T INCENTIVIZE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS BECAUSE WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE WHO THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT SO MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO OWN SHORT TERM RENTALS AREN'T SEDONA RESIDENTS ANYWAY.
I'M NOT SURE IT REALLY MATTERS,
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AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE RENTS WOULD BE A LITTLE LESS EXPENSIVE FOR THE TENANTS MM-HMM.WHICH WOULD, WOULD ALSO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO WANT TO MOVE BACK TO SEDONA.
UH, COUNSELOR KINSELLA, THANK YOU.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE MOVED INTO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS YES.
SO, THANK YOU, UH, FIRST OF ALL, JUST REGARDING THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK COMMENT, UM, FOR ME, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO REMAIN A SEDONA PROGRAM.
I MEAN, WE'RE DOING THIS, IT'S ACTUALLY AN INCENTIVE THAT'S COMING FROM TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE GATHERED WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA, AND WE ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH A SEDONA POPULATION DECLINE.
AND INCREASING PROP RESIDENTIAL POPULATION OUTSIDE OF SEDONA DOESN'T HELP US IN SEDONA.
SO I, TO ME, VOC IS A NONSTARTER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM,
IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE ASKING FOR A THREE YEAR COMMITMENT, BUT WE ONLY HAVE FUNDING FOR ONE YEAR.
SO TO ME, IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE COMMITMENT FOR ONE YEAR.
BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT IF A MOTION IS MADE, THAT THE MOTION MAKES SURE THAT THERE BE THE TERM OF A YEAR.
BECAUSE I THINK I'VE, I'VE SEEN SAMPLE LANGUAGE THAT JUST REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT AND IT DOESN'T PUT IN ANOTHER TIMEFRAME.
AND I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH SOMEBODY WITH THERE NOT BEING A TIMEFRAME, BECAUSE SOMEBODY COULD JUST GET THE INCENTIVE MONEY AND THEN TURN RIGHT AROUND.
SO THERE HAS TO, I DO BELIEVE THERE HAS TO STILL BE A, A CONDITION OF, UM, AB ABSTINENCE FROM SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT I THINK THE PERIOD SHOULD BE ONE YEAR.
COUNCILOR FURMAN, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE HERE? MAYOR, ARE WE DOING ALL COMMENTS NOW AND MOVING AROUND? YEAH.
TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, I WAS, UH, UHM MOVED BY COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL AND DESIGN OF THIS PROGRAM AND, AND, AND OUR CITY MANAGER AS WELL, THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE HERE, TAKE UP UNIT OUT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND INTO LONG-TERM RENTALS.
AND THAT WAS THE DESIGN OF THIS PROGRAM.
I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF SHORTENING THE TERM OF THE PROGRAM.
I, IT, IT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR LONG-TERM RENTALS,
ONE YEAR, UH, INCENTIVIZES PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO PLAY THE MARKET AND DECIDE THAT THIS ISN'T GOOD YEAR.
I'LL TRY AND RENT IT OUT FOR SOMEONE, BUT IN ONE YEAR, THAT PERSON IS GONNA GET KICKED OUTTA THEIR HOUSE AGAIN.
AND WE JUST CON CONTINUE THIS CYCLE OF PLAYING WITH OUR LONG-TERM RENTERS LIVES.
I WOULD LEAN MORE TO INCREMENTALLY CHANGE THIS PROGRAM.
I'M NOT FOR RADICAL CHANGE OF THIS PROGRAM TO SEE THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM.
I WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND HAVE BEEN ACTIVE IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME AMOUNT OF TIME AND TRY TO INCENT THEM TO CHANGE.
MAYBE WE HAVEN'T FOUND THE MARKET RATE TO DO THAT YET, AND MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THE APPETITE FOR THE MARKET RATE TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'S FEEDBACK WE SHOULD ALL KNOW.
I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THE FUNDING THAT WE ADDRESSED THAT SOMEWHERE IN THIS PROCESS AND GUARANTEEING THREE YEARS SO THAT WE KNOW WE CAN MAKE A PROMISE TO SOMEBODY.
I HAVE MY HAND AND YOU GOT IT.
I AGREE WITH COUNSELOR CAN SELL IT.
IT, I TOTALLY DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE IN VOC.
THE PROBLEM IS OUR COMMUNITIES, THE PROBLEM IS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS JUST SHORT TERM REYNOLDS, I THINK IT HAS TO BE TO HELP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, SO I THINK IT HAS TO STAY IN, IN SEDONA.
UM, I, ON THE ONE HAND, IF IT'S A ONE YEAR, AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING THE PROGRAM SUCCEED BY, BY, BY JUST SPENDING ALL THE MONEY, I WANT IT TO DO SOMETHING.
UM, A ONE YEAR TERM MIGHT IN FACT PROVIDE SOMEBODY, A WORKER WITH A PLACE TO LIVE FOR A YEAR THAT'S BETTER THAN NO PLACE TO LIVE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I DO BELIEVE, UM, THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS WOULD BE, IS PREFERABLE TO, TO ME IT'S A BIGGER FINANCIAL, UM, CONTRIBUTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE.
AND I THINK WE WOULD HAVE, BUT I THINK WE COULD DO THAT.
I'M, I I THINK IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.
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THINK WE HAVE MORE CHANCE OF SUCCESS OF GETTING PEOPLE TO SIGN UP FOR THE ONE YEAR THAN WE DO IF WE DO THE THREE YEARS.IF WE DO THE THREE YEARS, IT'S ANOTHER, IT'S BASICALLY ANOTHER EXPERIMENT.
AND AT THE END, IF WE DON'T GET ANYBODY TO BITE AFTER THREE YEARS, WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK DOWN TO, TO ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING.
SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY NOT CLEAR.
WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A WAY.
UM, WHAT'S YOUR, YOUR SENSE, SHANNON, FROM WHAT YOU SAID WAS THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING ONE YEAR BECAUSE YOU REALLY DON'T THINK PEOPLE WILL GIVE UP THIS, LUKE THIS FANTASY, I'M NOT GONNA SAY FANTASY, BUT THIS VISION OF MULTI DOLLARS COMING IN IN YEAR TWO.
AND DARN, THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THIS THREE YEAR COMMITMENT.
SO, UM, IT MAY BE MADE, SO I GUESS I'M IN FAVOR OF THE ONE YEAR TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY APPETITE OUT THERE AT ALL FOR THIS PROGRAM, RATHER THAN PUT ANOTHER BARRIER IN FRONT OF A PROGRAM THAT SO FAR HAS NOT HAD A LOT OF TAKERS.
BECAUSE THE GOAL AFTER ALL IS TO CONVERT THE GOAL, AFTER ALL, IS TO CREATE HOUSING FOR A WORKER.
ONE YEAR IS NOT GREAT, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN NO YEARS.
UM, AND MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE I IN ONE YEAR, WHAT THINGS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UH, IF WE, IF WE FINALLY GET OTHER HOUSING BUILT, THERE WILL BE OTHER PLACES FOR PEOPLE.
I MEAN, SO I, I GUESS WHILE I, I'M CERTAINLY SYMPATHETIC TO PETE'S CONCERNS.
I I THINK I'M SUPPORTING ONE YEAR AT THIS POINT.
I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN BEGIN TO GET SOME MOVEMENT ON THIS PROGRAM.
BRIAN, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA SHARED.
UM, I'M GOOD WITH, UH, CHANGING THIS TO A ONE YEAR REQUIREMENT.
SO THE MOTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US WHEN WE GET TO THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ADJUSTED.
UM, THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, REFRAINING FROM ONE YEAR VERSUS THREE, UH, TO WHAT COUNSELOR FURMAN TALKED ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE THREE MONTHS INTO THIS, SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS SUCH A MASSIVE CHANGE THAT WE'RE AT SOME RISK OF SOMEHOW CATASTROPHICALLY DAMAGING OUR INTENT BY, UM, MOVING TO THE ONE YEAR.
IS SOMEBODY GONNA GAME THE SYSTEM? YEAH, PROBABLY.
AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO LEARN FROM IT.
BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW TO TRY TO GET EVEN A HANDFUL MORE, UH, LONG TERM, OR SORRY, SHORT TERM INTO LONG TERM RENTALS, I THINK IT'S WORTH MAKING THIS CHANGE.
SO I WOULD AGREE WITH THE, THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO CHANGE IT TO ONE YEAR.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE EXPERIMENT, UH, PAY YOU FOR ONE, BUT ASK YOU FOR THREE.
AND WE'VE HAD A RESOUNDING, UH, NO THANKS, UM, TO THIS EXPERIMENT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S GONNA CHANGE, UM, ANYTIME SOON.
UM, I THINK IT WILL TAKE SEVERAL YEARS IF THE MARKET WERE TO CHANGE AS FAR AS PEOPLE WANTING TO RENT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, IT WOULD TAKE SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE WE'D HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE SAYING, I NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD GO INTO THIS PROGRAM VERSUS SELL THEIR HOME, UM, WE ARE NOT GONNA KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CRYSTAL BALLS IN FRONT OF US.
SO, UM, I WOULD AGREE IT SHOULD BE A SEDONA PROGRAM.
UM, I REALIZE WE HAVE A LOT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS REALLY CLOSE BY, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SEDONA TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN SEDONA.
SO I WOULD AGREE THAT WE SHOULD GO DOWN TO ONE YEAR AND SEE IF WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE.
MAYBE THE MARKET WOULD BE AWESOME, AND THEY'LL DECIDE THAT HAVING A LONG-TERM RENTER IS JUST A BETTER THING FOR THEM TO DO.
VICE MAYOR, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
I SUPPORT, UH, KEEPING IT A SEDONA PROGRAM FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED.
AND I SUPPORT CHANGING THREE YEARS TO ONE YEAR AND THEN REEVALUATING IT AS WE EVALUATE THE ENTIRE PILOT.
UM, I WAS NOT SUPPORTING GOING TO THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK.
I JUST WANTED TO GET THE, THE QUESTION ANSWERED JUST TO SEE WHAT THE APPETITE WOULD BE.
UH, I WOULD SUPPORT GOING, DROPPING IT DOWN TO ONE YEAR, UH, PROGRAM, BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY APPLICATIONS FOR THREE YEARS, WHAT'S THE POINT OF GOING IN THAT DIRECTION? I, I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY, UH, PRODUCTIVE.
UH, AND IF ONE YEAR, WE'LL HAVE TO REEVALUATE
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IT AT THAT POINT.UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, OF YOU, SHANNON OR KAREN, IF YOU CAN AUTHORIZE SHANNON TO UPDATE COUNSEL, UH, EITHER THROUGH YOU OR FROM HERSELF WITH THE PROGRESS AFTER THREE MONTHS, MAYBE SIX MONTHS.
SO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO COUNCIL, UH, PEOPLE, UH, ON THE COMMITTEE, UH, BRIAN AND COUNCIL WILLIAMSON WILL BE SITTING ON THAT, UH, HOUSING COMMITTEE.
UH, THEY'LL BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THE REST WON'T.
AND I'D LIKE THEM TO ALL BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON SO WE COULD FOLLOW AMONGST OURSELVES.
UH, AND I, I WILL ALSO BE ON THE COMMITTEE AS WELL.
SO, UH, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
SO I WOULD, WOULD SUPPORT THOSE CHANGES.
I BELIEVE CA UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAS, UH, A, A MOTION.
UM, I MOVE TO AMEND THE REQUIREMENT FROM THREE YEARS TO ONE YEAR THAT A RENT LOCAL PROPERTY OWNER MUST REFRAIN FROM SHORT TERM RENTING.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO ONE OPPOSED, UH, SIX SUPPORT.
UH, SO YOU KNOW WHO, WHO'S WHO.
[8.e. Reports/discussion regarding Council assignments]
WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH, UH, COUNCIL.AND DID ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO, TO REPORT? NO.
WELL, JESSICA, DID, UH, YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE RECYCLING CENTER? NO, I DON'T.
OH, UH, HOW ABOUT THE LIBRARY? THAT'S SOME, SOME EXCITING THINGS GOING ON THERE.
WHAT ARE THEY?
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE LIBRARY.
UH, I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO REPORT.
I WENT TO A VERY, VERY INTERESTING MEETING WITH THE, UH, DEPUTY, UH, CITY MANAGER, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
ON DECEMBER 1ST, I ATTENDED MY FIRST YAVAPAI COUNTY SUPERVISORS, MAYORS AND MANAGERS BIANNUAL MEETING THAT WAS HELD AT YAVAPAI COLLEGE.
I REALLY LEARNED THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, BUT JUST TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS ABLE TO, TO GATHER FROM THIS MEETING WAS SUPERVISOR MICHAELS REPORTED THAT THE BIG PARK SCHOOL WILL CONVERT THE SCHOOL, UH, FOR HEADQUARTERS FOR SEARCH AND RESCUE, SEARCH YOUR RESCUE AND YAI SHERIFF.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING TEACHER HOUSING THERE AS WELL, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.
THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT SHE MENTIONED ABOUT THE CULINARY INSTITUTE ALSO MOVING DOWN THERE AS WELL.
THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S WHAT SHE REPORTED.
THE CAMP VERDE MAYOR, UH, WHO'S MAYOR JENKINS, UH, THERE WAS A MAJOR CAMPAIGN FOR TOURISM.
THEY PASSED THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, ORDINANCES, UH, TO NOT HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS.
THEY'RE WORKING ON A NEW 48 ROOM HOTEL AND 52 CONDO UNITS IN CAMP VERDE.
AND, UH, THEN FISH AND GAME ALSO REPORTED SOMETHING INTERESTING THAT THEY WILL NOW BE TRAINING ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE STATE ON O H V ENFORCEMENT.
YAVAPAI COUNTY, WHO'S BEEN USING CODE RED, KAREN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE EVEN AWARE OF THIS, THEY'RE BREAKING AWAY FROM CODE RED.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING EVERBRIDGE, UH, TECH APP.
UH, BUT YEAH, EVER EVERBRIDGE TECH PHONE APP.
AND IT'S SUPPOSEDLY MORE ACCURATE.
SO, UH, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN THE NEWSPAPERS OR ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT IT, IT'S AN APP.
IT'S A VERY EASY APP TO WORK WITH AND, UH, I'M HOPING THAT'LL BE VERY ACCURATE, BUT I HOPE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION OUT SO THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW IN YAPA COUNTY THAT, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING NEW.
BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY WORTHWHILE, UH, MEETING TO ATTEND.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE NEXT WEEK I HAVE A, UH, THE, UH, VERDE VALLEY, OUR MAYORS AND MANAGERS MEETING I'LL BE ATTENDING EVERY OTHER WEEK.
SO, UH, I'M EX EXCITED TO WORK WITH THE OTHER MAYORS, AND WE'LL SEE WHICH STAFF PERSON WILL BE JOINING ME ON ZOOM.
SO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS? NO, BUT I'D LIKE TO REPORT AS WELL.
THOUGHT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
WELL, WAS GOING TO LET THE MEETING COME, BUT I DID ATTEND, UH, THE COQUINA PLATEAU WATER ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, OUR OUTGOING FRIEND COUNCIL LAMPKIN NOMINATED ME TO BE VICE CHAIR OF THE, OF THE COMMITTEE.
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I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UH, WE PASSED A BUDGET.UH, WE DID, UH, THE APPOINTMENT, UH, BUT MOSTLY WE HAD A PRESENTATION BY ARIANA SAAL, WHO'S THE ARIZONA STATE CLIMATOLOGIST.
IT WAS A FASCINATING PRESENTATION.
I BELIEVE I HAD, UH, JOANNE SEND IT TO EVERYBODY.
AND IT IS AVAILABLE ON CP WAC.ORG.
IT GIVES SOME LONG-TERM TRENDS ABOUT TEMPERATURE AND PRECIPITATION.
IT ALSO GIVES A REVIEW OF THE LAST WEATHER YEAR AND, AND THE CLIMATE, UH, TRENDS.
AND IT WAS A, A VERY, VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.
[8.f. Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.]
OKAY.UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, FUTURE MEETING, UH, AGENDA ITEMS, IF ANYBODY HAVE ANY AGENDA ITEMS TO VICE MAYOR? NO.
BECAUSE I, SHE HAD HER HAND UP.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, TO BRING A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM ON THE DOG PARK, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT PILOTING, UH, SYNTHETIC GRASS IN THE AREAS OF THE DOG PARK.
I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT ITEM FOR AN AGENDA.
I UNDER, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROGRAM IS THIS, RIGHT? KAREN HASN'T, THE RECONSTRUCTION HASN'T MOVED FORWARD BECAUSE THERE WAS A BUDGETARY ISSUE.
AND SINCE THERE'S STILL A QUESTION THAT WHATEVER SURFACE IS OVER THAT, THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE REVISITING THIS, KURT IS NOT GONNA ALLOW ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
BUT WE WILL RE, WE WILL AGENDA THIS CONVERSATION FOR PROBABLY, IF WE CAN GET IT ON JANUARY 10TH.
VERY GOOD FOR A 15 MINUTE PITCH, UM, FROM THE TWO OF YOU TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THEY WANT ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS.
SO I CAN PROVIDE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND PREPARATION FOR THAT.
THIS IS, WE'RE VERY INCONSISTENT ON WHAT WE REQUIRE 15 MINUTES FOR AND WHAT WE DON'T REQUIRE 15 MINUTES, IT'S UP TO THE CITY MANAGER.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.
IF THE CITY MANAGER FILLS IT, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MORE THAN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME, WHICH I BELIEVE IS TWO HOURS.
UH, THEN, THEN IT GETS THE 15 MINUTE INTRODUCTORY TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF COUNCIL SUPPORTS ARE GOING FORWARD.
UM, BUT WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS DIS DISCUSS IN ORDER.
I BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER FOR ME TO BE PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE OPTIONS FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT WAS THE DIRECTION GIVEN TO COUNCIL AND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PURSUING RIGHT NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION, I WOULD NEED TO DO ADDITIONAL RESEARCH.
I WOULD NEED TO COME UP WITH OPTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD TAKE MORE STAFF TIME THAN, THAN WHAT IF, IF COUNCIL, IF THERE IS NOT A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL THAT WANTS ME TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND INVEST THAT ADDITIONAL TIME AND RESOURCES, THEN I DON'T WANT TO, TO WASTE STAFF'S TIME DOING IT.
EXCEPT THAT WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING.
AND I DON'T WANNA BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO RETROFIT OR WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A 15 MINUTE DISCUSSION FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TWO MONTHS FROM NOW WHEN IT'LL ALREADY BE D SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE UNDER EXCAVATION.
WE WILL NOT LAY THE FINAL PRODUCT.
IF WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION JANUARY 10TH, AND THERE'S A MAJORITY OF COUNSEL WHO WANTS TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, THEN WE WILL NOT WE'LL GO DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WILL PROBABLY GET BACKBURNERED IF THIS IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, BECAUSE I, THERE IS A TIME CONSIDERATION HERE, BUT WE WON'T LAY A SURFACE UNTIL COUNCIL HAS GIVEN THAT FINAL DIRECTION.
IF, IF YOU SAY YOU'RE REVERSING COURSE NOW, OKAY, THAT GOES TO WHERE I WAS BEFORE.
CUZ I'M NOT SURE REVERSING COURSE IS THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS PROJECT IS, KURT, BECAUSE I MEAN, I COULD TALK ENDLESSLY ABOUT THIS TOO.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, THIS, IS THIS APPROPRIATE FOR A DISCUSSION? MAYOR AND COUNSEL, PER THE RULES OF PROCEDURES RECEIVED A, UM, A MOTION AND A SECOND AND IT'LL BE AGENDA.
EITHER THE OPTIONS ARE EITHER FOR FULL DISCUSSION IF IN THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETION OR IF IT'S GONNA TAKE SIGNIFICANT STAFF TIME, UH, INTRODUCTORY ITEM.
AND SO, BUT IF THERE'S A MOTION AT THE MOMENT UP HERE THAT PASSES, THEN IT JUST AUTOMATICALLY GETS AGENDAS.
SO WE, THIS IS AN AGENDA IS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAKE A A THAT MOTION, THAT WAS BECAUSE TWO COUNSELORS ASKED TO PUT IT ON.
BUT IF THERE IS A MOTION, IT'S NOT AGENDA FOR A, A FURTHER MOTION OTHER THAN JUST GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA.
YOU DON'T GET TO, WE DON'T GET TO HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION ON THIS AND DECIDE THIS MATTER NOW.
UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT.
THIS IS, WE ARE VERY INCONSISTENT IN HOW WE APPLY THIS RULE AND I HOPE WE DISCUSS IT AT OUR RETREAT.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S DISCRETIONARY.
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ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION ON THE RULES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN JANUARY.ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER OKAY.
[10. Adjournment]
NONE.