* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:09] WE'LL GET STARTED. JUST A MINUTE OR TWO. IF I CAN REMIND EVERYBODY TO PLEASE, UH, TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES OR SILENCE THEM, PLEASE. OKAY. YEAH, NO, I HAVE TO DO IT TOO. , YOU HAVE A NEW PHONE? NOT SURE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE/ROLL CALL] EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL MEETING. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE REPUBLIC. ONE NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. OKAY, JOANNE, UM, VISION STATEMENT. DO YOU WANT A MOMENT OF SILENCE? A MOMENT OF SILENCE WOULD BE GOOD TOO. WE'LL HAVE A NOW HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND CITY CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, CALL THE ROLL. MAYOR. MAYOR JALO. HERE. VICE MAYOR PUG. HERE. COUNSELOR DUNN. HERE. COUNSELOR FOLTZ. HERE. COUNSELOR FERMAN. HERE. COUNSELOR KINSELLA. HERE. COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. AND NOW [2. CITY’S VISION/MOMENT OF ART] CAN WE HAVE THEM? UH, OUR VISION STATEMENT. THE VISION THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE FOR THE FUTURE OF THEIR CITY IS TO BE A CITY THAT IS CONSTANTLY VIGILANT OVER THE PRESERVATION OF ITS NATURAL BEAUTY, SCENIC VISTAS, PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT AND CULTURAL HERITAGE. TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS ITS SMALL TOWN CHARACTER AND CREATES ITS MANMADE IMPROVEMENTS, STRICT HARMONY WITH NATURE, TO BE A CITY THAT IS ANIMATED BY THE ARTS AND LIVES WITH A SPIRIT OF VOLUNTEERISM TO HELP ACHIEVE OUR COMMON GOALS. TO BE A CITY THAT OFFERS EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL AND FOSTERS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, TO BE A CITY THAT WELCOMES AND ACCOMMODATES ALL OF ITS VISITORS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS WITH A SPIRIT OF FELLOWSHIP. TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS AND ENHANCES A STRONG, VITAL ECONOMY, WHICH PRESERVES EXISTING LIFESTYLES WITHOUT EXPLOITING THE NATURAL BEAUTY. AND FINALLY, TO BE A CITY THAT LIVES UP TO THE CHALLENGE OF PROPER STEWARDSHIP OF ONE OF THE EARTH'S GREAT TREASURES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE HAVE A MOMENT OF ART. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ENJOY DOING THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH. NANCY, IT'S ALL YOURS. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. I KEEP HAVING TO STOP NOT SAYING MADAM . GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS, AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. HAPPY NEW YEAR. UM, THANK YOU. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A NEW EXHIBIT IN THE FRONT. WE HAVE WILDLIFE PHOTOGRAPHER STEPHANIE BRAND, AND IN THE BACK, CANNON WINKLER, WHO HAD DONE A MOMENT OF ART LAST YEAR. HE TRACKS ANIMAL PRINCE IN AFRICA, AND HIS BUSINESS IS WALKS OF LIFE. AND THE RECEPTION FOR BOTH THESE ARTISTS WILL BE MARCH 2ND. IT'S A THURSDAY, UH, FOUR, FOUR O'CLOCK TO SIX. AND THE MUSIC WILL BE DAMIR WHO I'M GOING TO PRESENT IN A MINUTE. SO NICE. THANK YOU FOR SAYING YES. HE JUST SAID YES, . UM, AND THERE'LL BE A PRESS RELEASE ON THAT TOO. SO, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEW, UH, DAMIR, ANOTHER NEW YORKER , UM, DAM DAMIR IS A NEW YORK CITY BASED SINGER SONGWRITER. HE HAS BEEN HONING HIS PERFORMANCE SKILLS IN THE NEW YORK CITY SUBWAY SYSTEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS. MIXING HIS SOULFUL PASSION AND ACOUSTIC ABILITY. HE BRINGS A UNIQUE STYLE TO THE PLATFORM AND TO THE WORLD. DIR HAS LIVED IN SEDONA FOR THREE YEARS. HE HAS PERFORMED ON, AND I'VE SEEN HIM ON AMERICA'S GOT TALENT. OH, WOW. CELEBRITY. AND HE GOT PRETTY FAR. HE, HE JUST, YOU WERE RIGHT UNDER, I FORGET THE ARTIST'S NAME, BUT HE DID IMAGINE THE, THE, THE ARTIST THAT WON. UM, CELEBRITY UNDERCOVER BOSS UP ROCKS, UNCHARTED HOT 97, FEATURED BY WUTANG, THE BIG QUIET. AND ON YOUTUBE, HE HAS OVER 11 MILLION [00:05:01] VIEWS. INTERTWINED IN HIS MUSIC IS HIS NATURAL, INTUITIVE HEALING ABILITY TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE HEART AND CREATE A SPACE TO ALLOW THE FLOW OF THE EMOTIONAL BODY. PLEASE WELCOME DAMIR PLAYING HIS TWO ORIGINAL SONGS. MY PRAYER AND KINGDOM COME. I THOUGHT THESE WERE GREAT FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE. UM, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU, FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. I CAME HERE FOR A FOUR DAY VACATION AND I'VE HERE FOR THREE YEARS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I PRAY TO THE MOTHER, HEAL ALL THE BROKEN HEARTS THAT I FORGET TO MENTION. AND IF THE SOULS CRY, HELP GIVE THEM YOUR ATTENTION, ASKING FOR YOUR LOVE. BUT WE ALSO NEED REDEMPTION. SHOW ME THEEDY. BY BEING SERENITY, I SURRENDER DEFENSIVE MECHANISM FOR MY ENERGY AND NOT FEELING LUCKY THAT YOU GIVING ME YOUR SHOULDER. PLEASE HELP MY MOTHER SURE THAT YOU KNOW HER EVERY TIME SHE FALLS, OR KNOW THAT YOU WILL HOLD HER. PATIENCE, ACCEPTANCE, WOUNDS OF ABANDONMENT. I GIVE IT ALL TO YOU. CAUSE IN ALL THAT YOU CAN HANDLE ME, HEAL. BE FROM REJECTION. PLEASE GIVE THE CHILDREN THEM KNOW YOU'LL SEE THEM. SHALL THE ELDER MERCY REMIND THEM THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT ALL MY SISTERS? LET THEM BE RESPECTED. HEAL LORD MY BROTHER. SHOW THEM THEY NOT NEGLECTED. THANK YOU FATHERS. KEEP ME IN YOUR GRACE AND I IN MY REFLECTION. I HOPE TO SEE YOUR, I HOPE TO SEE YOUR FACE. I PRAY TO THE FATHER FOR FORGIVENESS. I DEVOTE MY LIFE TO GROWTH. GOD IS MY WITNESS. HELP ME SEE THE BLIND SPOTS THAT I'M UNAWARE OF. HELP ME FEEL YOUR PRESENCE. EVEN WHEN I FILL ME WITH YOUR HARMONY. ME. TEACH ME TO HAVE BALANCE. AND THANK YOU, FATHER, THE LESSONS. THANK YOU FOR MY TALENTS. TOUCH MY FATHER'S HEART. SHOW ME I KNOW. LOOK INTO HEAVEN. CAUSE HE'S ALREADY BEEN THROUGH HEAVEN. KEEP MY HEART OPEN. DON'T STUNT MY GROWING. TEACH ME TO THAT GOOD UPHOLDING. I PRAY FOR THIS COUNTRY. PRAY FOR THE EARTH. SHOW THE PEOPLE THE TRUTH. SHOW THEM THEIR BRING US TO IT HURTS EVEN IF IT HURTS. SACRED. SHOW ME HOW TO BREATHE AND WHAT I NEED TO LEARN. PLEASE SHOW ME HOW TO TEACH THE GIFTS THAT YOU GIVE. SHOW ME HOW TO KEEP REACHING FOR THE SUN. BUT YOUR ROOTS GO DEEP. YOU BRING SO MUCH ELEGANCE, ALL FIVE ELEMENTS. HOW YOU SHOWING UP IN MY LIFE IS THE EVIDENCE AND FEELING LUCKY LIKE A FOUR CLOVER. SO WHAT? THANK GOD BUD JEHOVAH, MASTER CREATOR, MAN, I MEDITATE ME. TURN MY THOUGHTS INTO BUNDANCE LOVE JILL. MAN. I LOOK INSIDE OF ME. HELP ME SEE THE MAKER WHEN WE BREAK BREAD. MAKE SURE WE DON'T BREAK HER. THE MOTHER, GOD THE SAVIOR INSIDE OF YOUR NECK OF TRUTH. FILL YOU INSIDE. I DON'T NEED, NEED PROOF. NURTURE MY BODY WITH YOUR SEED IN YOUR FRUIT. BRING ME TO LIFE. FROM THE CROWN TO THE NOW, I'M CONNECTED FROM THE GROUND THROUGH THE ROOF. MOTHER, THE MOTHER. NOW I'M, [00:10:38] THAT WAS MY PRAYER. YOU MIND THAT SONG IS, UH, KINGDOM. WHEN WILL MY KINGDOM COME? I HAVE BEEN WAITING, ANTICIPATING I LET MY TEARS FALL DOWN. JOYFUL MOMENT. WHEN, WHEN WILL CAN'T COME. I BEEN WAITING, ANTICIPATING. I LET MY TEARS FALL DOWN. A JOYFUL MOMENT. MY KINGDOM COME SWEET, EVAN, SWEETER MY ARE KINGDOM COME. I AM IN OPEN. I'LL TAKE CARE FOR YOU. OH, I ADORE YOU WHEN KINGDOM COME AN YOU I'LL TAKE FOR YOU. OH, HELP ME OUT. FEELS AS YOU PLEASE HEAL ME. HELP ME. [00:15:10] HEARD A VOICE INSIDE SAYING TO ME SAID, I LOOKED INTO MY MIND. HEARD A VOICE INSIDE TO ME. NURTURE THE ROOT. NURTURE THE ROOT. DON'T FOCUS ON THE FLOWER OR FRUIT. NURTURE THE SEA. YOU ALREADY HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED. EVERYTHING YOU NEED. NURTURE THE ROOT, NURTURE THE ROOT. DON'T FOCUS ON THE FLOWER OF FRUIT. YOU ALREADY HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED, EVERYTHING YOU NEED. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED, EVERYTHING YOU NEED. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED, EVERYTHING YOU NEED. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED, EVERYTHING YOU NEED. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED. EVERYTHING YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. THANK. WOW. THAT WAS FABULOUS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CAN I SAY SOMETHING, JESSICA? SURE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON. YES. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THAT IS A GREAT MESSAGE TO GIVE US RIGHT BEFORE WE START OUR MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, . VERY CALM. . OKAY. WELL, HE COLLECTS HIS EQUIPMENT. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ALONG. UH, [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] FOR CONSENT ITEMS, UH, WE HAVE ITEMS, UH, THREE A AND B, UH, FOR A MOTION. WELL, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE STAFF, COUNSELORS OR THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE SOMETHING, ANYTHING PULLED. IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN PULLING ANY, UH, OF THE ITEMS AT ALL? SEEING NONE. UH, READY FOR A MOTION? I MOVE. WE ACCEPT, UH, CONSENT ITEMS THREE A AND B SECOND. OKAY. SECONDED BY THE VICE MAYOR. I'M SORRY. UH, SEC. UH, MOVED BY THE VICE MAYOR. SECONDED BY, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. OKAY. PUBLIC FORUM, CITY CLERK. DO WE HAVE ANY APPOINTMENTS? CURRENT EVENTS? I MISSED IT. OKAY. WE'LL GET THE CURRENT EVENTS. WELL, YOU'RE GETTING THE PUBLIC FORUM. LET'S DO, UH, CURRENT [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER] EVENTS, WHICH I MISSED. UH, DO ANY OF THE COUNSELORS HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE WITH US FOR THE CURRENT EVENTS FOR THE LONG MONTH THAT WE'VE BEEN OFF? SO, WELL, YOU AND I WENT TO THE INAUGURATION. THAT'S TRUE. SO WE, UH, WENT TO PHOENIX AND WE WATCHED OUR STATEWIDE OFFICIALS TAKE THE OATH OF OFFICE. AND WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH OTHER, UM, WITH OUR LOBBYISTS AND WITH OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO WERE AT THE EVENT WHO WERE FROM THE VERDE VALLEY AND FROM, UH, ALSO STATE REPRESENTATIVES THAT WERE THERE AS WELL. SO IT WAS A GOODY, UH, OCCASION FOR THE CITY TO BE THERE AND TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MINGLE WITH STATEWIDE FOLKS. IT WAS VERY NICE. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. AND, UH, ANYTHING ELSE? YES, THERE, UH, I BELIEVE THAT OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS HOSTING THE WINTER PLAY DAY. FIRST EVER EVENT OF A WINTER PLAY DAY UP AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK ON SATURDAY, STARTING AT 11:00 AM THERE'LL BE RIDES AND ALL SORTS OF FUN ACTIVITIES. SO I'M HOPING TO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE UP THERE. AND SPEAKING OF OUR PARKS AND REC, THEY'RE ALSO DOING GRASSHOPPER YOUTH BASKETBALL GAMES BEGINNING THIS SATURDAY. AND THEY'LL BE AT THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL GYM ON SATURDAYS THROUGH FEBRUARY. AND THEN BEGINNER'S EDGE SPORTS TRAINING PROGRAM FOR WEEKENDS. YOUTH SPORTS CLINICS FOR YOUTH AGE 15, ACTUALLY AGE 16 MONTHS [00:20:01] AND UP TO 10 YEARS OLD. CO-ED CLINICS, SIX WEEKS IN LENGTH. STORY TIME IN THE PARK, TEMPORARILY BEING HELD AT THE PUBLIC AT THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY THROUGH THE MONTH OF JANUARY. WEDNESDAYS AT 10:00 AM AND THEY'RE FREE. AND THEN PARKS AND REC PICKLEBALL. UM, ACTUALLY MONDAYS, TUESDAYS, THURSDAYS, FRIDAYS AND SUNDAYS. AND YAPPY HOUR THURSDAYS, NINE TO 10:00 AM AT THE POSSE GROUNDS PARK, TEMPORARY LOCATION IN THE LOWER SOFTBALL FIELD. AND THEN GYM IS OPEN TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS FROM SEVEN TO 9:00 PM AT THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL. AND TENNIS LESSONS ARE OFFERED ON MONDAYS OR WEDNESDAYS AT POSSE, GROUND PARK, TENNIS COURTS. SO LOTS OF ACTIVITIES IN THE WINTER. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? SEEING NONE NOW. PUBLIC FORUM. I HAVE ONE. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ONE COMING? ONE. ONE. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE MR. MARTINEZ. IS HE IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE HERE? . HE FORGOT TO PUT HIS NAME ON THE CARD. THAT'S WHY I HAD TO RUN OFF AND GET IT. BUT , I THINK YOU'D KNOW A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT THAT'S OKAY. BY YOUR PRESENCE, SO, AH, YEAH, . OKAY. JOHN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND YOU KNOW A WAY TO LOOK. OH YEAH. . SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR. AND, UH, COUNSEL, VICE MAYOR. UH, PLUG, THE REASON I'M HERE IS TO BASICALLY, BASICALLY, BASICALLY, BASICALLY SAY IT'S A NEW SEASON FOR THE VERDE VALLEY SYMP. AND LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, IT'S THE VERDE VALLEY, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST PART IS SEDONA. WE HAVE A CONCERT COMING UP THIS SUNDAY. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT COMING IN SEPTEMBER TO LET US EVERYBODY KNOW. AND THE, THE VIEWING AUDIENCE AT HOME, THAT WAS BACK IN OCTOBER THE 23RD. WE ARE ALSO CONDUCTING AUDITIONS FOR A NEW DIRECTOR. MM-HMM. , THE PREVIOUS ONE HAS RETIRED. AND IT'S AN EXCITING TIME FOR BEING INVOLVED WITH CHOOSING WHO OUR NEXT DIRECTOR WILL BE. SO I, I, I AM WISH THAT ALL OF YOU WOULD SOMEHOW BE ABLE TO ATTEND, IF NOT THIS CONCERT, BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF SOON. BUT THEN THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, FEBRUARY THE FIFTH, AND THEN THE ONE AFTER THAT IS APRIL THE SECOND. IT'S GREAT MUSIC. THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU. AND UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY COME, YOU WON'T KNOW HOW GOOD IT REALLY IS. SO PLEASE SUPPORT THE VERDE VALLEY SYMP. WE PERFORM AT THE, AT SPAC, THE SEDONA PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. AND I DON'T THINK YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED AT ALL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HOPE TO SEE SOME OF YOU THERE, INCLUDING THE TV AUDIENCE, WHICH I KNOW SANDY WILL BE THERE. BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE MIC, WE NEED TO NAME AND CITY ADDRESS. YOU'RE RIGHT. MUST OVERCOME WITH THE EXCITEMENT. I UNDERSTAND. CON MARTINEZ AND I STILL LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I COULD, I FORGOT. I HAD A CURRENT EVENT I'D LIKE TO MENTION. COULD WE GO BACK JUST QUICKLY FOR ME TO MENTION IT? SURE. THANK YOU. UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THE, THERE ARE INCREDIBLE DISPLAY OF QUILTS OH YEAH. AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY, UM, FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AT LEAST. IT'S THE ART, THE PRECISION AND THE BEAUTY OF THESE QUILTS IS, IS TRULY ASTOUNDING. AND THE, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE LIBRARY JUST MAKES IT A PERFECT PLACE TO HA EXCUSE ME, HANG THE QUILTS AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. I URGE EVERYBODY TO GO VISIT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY. UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS INCREDIBLE ART FORM, WHICH IS, IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE AND DONE BY PEOPLE RIGHT HERE. YOUR NEIGHBORS HERE IN THE AREA. THERE'S, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS? IT'S, UM, YOU ALSO GET THE VOTE ON YOUR FAVORITE QUILT. SO THINK ABOUT GOING TO THE LIBRARY AND TAKING A LOOK. THANK YOU. CASTOR WILLIAMSON, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, THERE'S, I THINK IT'S 83 QUILTS ON DISPLAY. IT'S, IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT. THERE'S 83 ON DISPLAY, AND THOSE WERE CHOSEN FROM A MUCH WIDER SELECTION. AND IT'S SORT OF HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S, WE HAVE THAT MANY TALENTED, INCREDIBLY TALENTED, UM, QUILTERS IN OUR OWN LITTLE RURAL ARIZONA AREA. RIGHT. SO, THANK YOU, SCOTT. SURE. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC FORUM. THERE'S NO, IS THERE ANOTHER ONE OR [00:25:01] NO? OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC FORUM AND PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. THERE ARE NONE. SO THAT WE WILL MOVE A ALONG TO A REGULAR BUSINESS. AB 23, 29 0 3 [8.a. AB 2903 Presentation/discussion regarding the Annual Audit findings and Annual Comprehensive Financial Report (ACFR) for the City of Sedona for Fiscal Year 2021-22. ] PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING THE ANNUAL AUDIT FINDINGS AND THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA FOR A FISCAL YEAR 20, UH, 21 TO 22. SHERRY, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MIC. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNSEL, WE HIT THE LAST, THE LAST, SO WE'RE GONNA START OUT TONIGHT. AND IF YOU'LL APOLO, I APOLOGIZE, I'M A LITTLE HOARSE. I WAS TALKING MOST OF THE DAY YESTERDAY, AND YES, YOU DID. IT TOOK ITS TALL . UM, SO, UM, SO I WANNA GO, GO OVER, UM, A FEW THINGS WITH YOU. WE HAVE OUR AUDITORS HERE, AND THEY WILL BE, UM, TALKING ABOUT OUR, OUR AUDIT FOR YOU. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA TALK FIRST ABOUT THE FINANCIAL RESULTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 22. UM, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR EXPENDITURE LIMITATION, UM, SUMMARY AND THEN ABOUT THE AUDIT. UM, SO I HAVE HERE A COMPARISON, UM, THAT WE SEPARATE, UM, BASED OFF OF, UM, REQUIRED GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING STANDARDS. AND WE HAVE FUNDS THAT ARE RE REFERRED TO AS GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. AND SO THIS IS REPRESENTING JUST THOSE GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. I DO HAVE THE PAGE NUMBER OF REFERENCES IN THE AFER, THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT. UM, AND PLEASE REFER TO IT AS AFER AND NOT THE FORMER ACRONYM. UM, COMPARING FROM FISCAL YEAR 22 TO THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR 21, THE, UM, EXPENDITURES INCREASED FROM 31 MILLION TO 38 MILLION. UM, I HAVE HERE, THIS IS A PIE CHART, LOOKING AT THE FUNDS AND HOW THOSE COMPARE. SO THESE ARE THE, THE, UM, GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, YOUR GENERAL FUND, YOUR STREETS FUND, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, ALL OF THOSE VARIOUS FUNDS HERE. UM, ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS A COMPARISON OF THE EXPENDITURES BY THE FUNCTIONAL CATEGORY. SO WE, UM, UM, ORGANIZE THE DEPARTMENTS AND PROGRAMS INTO, UM, FUNCTIONS OF GENERAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC WORKS, CULTURE AND RECREATION, ET CETERA. AND WHEN LOOKING AT, UM, THESE, AND THE, THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN FISCAL YEAR 21 AND 22, UM, THERE'S REALLY A COUPLE MAIN THINGS. AND I HAVE A, A SLIDE THAT'S GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT EXPLANATIONS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT WHEN YOU BOIL IT DOWN TO THE, UM, FISCAL YEAR 21, SO THE FISCAL YEAR 21 WAS FROM JULY 1ST, 2020 TO JUNE 30, 21. SO IT STARTED THREE MONTHS AFTER THE WHOLE COVID THING HIT. FISCAL YEAR 21 WAS OUR FISCAL YEAR. THAT WAS, WAS THE MOST IMPACTED WITH COVID, WHERE WE WERE DELAYING EXPENDITURES, WE WERE FREEZING POSITIONS, WE WERE TAKING A LOT OF ACTION, BEING CONCERNED THAT WE WOULD HAVE SEVERE, UM, DROP IN OUR SALES AND BED TAX REVENUE. THERE WAS TALK OF A SECOND WAVE OF COVID. THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT WE JUST WEREN'T SURE OF. AND SO THE FIRST SEVERAL MONTHS OF FISCAL YEAR 21, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS PUT ON HOLD. SO SOME OF IT IS COMPARING TO A YEAR THAT WAS LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY, REALLY RESTRICTED TO 22, WHERE, UM, IT WAS, LET'S GET A LOT OF THESE PRIORITIES DONE. MM-HMM. , UM, A LOT OF INITIATIVES DONE. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE EXPENDITURES TO SHOW THE, THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN ALL THESE VARIOUS AREAS. UM, SO THERE'S A, UH, I'VE GOT HERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY ALL OF IT BOILS DOWN TO PRIMARILY THAT AND, UM, THE CHANGES IN THE, IN THE EXPENDITURES. AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG. SO IF ANYBODY DOES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. THANK YOU, SHERRY. ON THE REVENUE SIDE, REVENUES ALSO INCREASED, UM, QUITE A BIT. SO WE WENT FROM 44 MILLION IN 21 TO 50 MILLION IN 22. AGAIN, THIS IS THE PIE CHARTS OF JUST THOSE GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. SO THE GENERAL FUND IS BY FAR OUR BIGGEST, UM, FUND WITH THE, THE MOST REVENUES HERE IN ALL THIS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE SALES AND BED TAX REVENUE, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY FUNDING SOURCE IN THE GENERAL FUND. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE, THE CHART HERE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REVENUES, UM, BY SOURCE THAT, UM, THE SALES TAX, UM, WHICH INCLUDES THE BED TAX NUMBERS FAR EXCEEDS ANY OF THESE OTHER CATEGORIES HERE. UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, SO THE INCREASE WAS 13% AND UM, THE [00:30:01] SALES TAX INCREASED ABOUT 6.7%, UM, 19%, UM, BECAUSE OF HOW STRONG WE ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF THE COVID CLOSURES AND THE AMOUNT OF TOURISM THAT WE WERE EXPERIENCED DURING ALL OF THAT. UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT, SO ON THE, THE LAST BULLET THERE, SO ON THE, UM, INVESTMENT EARNINGS LOSS, UM, SO IT WAS A DECREASE 2.1 MILLION, VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT DECREASE. AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF UNREALIZED LOSSES ON THE INVESTMENTS, BECAUSE OF HOW THE INTEREST RATE MARKET CHANGED AND EVERYTHING. WE HOLD OUR INVESTMENTS TO MATURITY. THIS IS AN ACCOUNTING RULE THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO, WHETHER, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO SELL THE INVESTMENTS OR NOT, WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY REPORT AND RECORD IN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, THE UNREALIZED LOSS. WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO REALIZE THAT LOSS CUZ WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO SELL THOSE INVESTMENTS. SO, UM, YOU WILL SEE HUGE GAINS WHEN THE MARKET TURNS AROUND GOVERNMENTAL FUND BALANCES. UM, SO WE WENT FROM, UM, OUR ENDING BALANCES AS OF JUNE 30, 21 OF 47 MILLION TO ENDING BALANCES IN 22 OF, UM, OVER 82 MILLION. SO VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, UM, IN OUR BALANCES THERE. UM, SO 35 MILLION OR 74% INCREASE IN OUR ENDING BALANCES. THE, UM, GENERAL FUND WAS, HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE MONEY THAT WE WERE GETTING FROM ALL THE SALES AND BED TAX. UM, THAT REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED. UM, THAT ALSO IMPACTED THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND, WHICH IS WHERE WE RECORD THE HALF CENT SALES TAX THAT GOES TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. UM, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND BALANCE INCREASED BECAUSE OF THE BONDS THAT WE ISSUED IN MARCH. SO WE ISSUED, UM, IT WAS THE 25 MILLION, BUT IT WAS A, A COMBINATION OF THE PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OF, UM, THE 21.6, BUT THEN THERE WAS A 3.8 MILLION PREMIUM THAT WE GOT ON OUR SALE TO BRING US TO THE 25 MILLION THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. UM, I DID WANNA POINT OUT ALSO ON THE GOVERNMENT FUND BALANCES, ALL THE VARIOUS RESERVES THAT WE HAVE AND, AND POINT OUT SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT ONES THAT THERE'S A CATEGORY CALLED NONS SPENDABLE FUND BALANCES, WHICH IS REALLY ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT SAYS. IT'S, IT'S A PORTION OF OUR FUND BALANCE THAT IS NOT CAPABLE OF BEING SPENT. THE LONG-TERM LOANS RECEIVABLE IS THE PRIMARY ONE THAT'S IN HERE OF 1.8 MILLION. UM, THAT WAS FOR THE SUNSET LOFTS, UM, AND THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT SUNSET LOFTS. UM, SO WE'VE GIVEN THEM, WE'VE LOANED THEM THE MONEY, IT'S STILL IN OUR FUND BALANCE, IT'S NOT IN OUR CASH, SO IT'S NOT SPENDABLE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CASH TO SPEND MM-HMM. THE, UM, RESTRICTED FUND BALANCES. SO RESTRICTED BASICALLY MEANS THERE'S SOME SORT OF LEGAL RESTRICTION ON THESE BUNNIES. AND SO THE BALANCE OF THE BOND PROCEEDS OF THAT 25 MILLION, THERE WAS, UM, 19 MILLION, UM, AS OF JUNE 30, THAT WAS, UM, STILL AVAILABLE CUZ WE HAD JUST, UM, ISSUED THEM IN MARCH. SO THOSE ARE LEGALLY RESTRICTED TO THE PURPOSES THAT WERE IN THE BOND SALE DOCUMENTS. UM, THE OTHER, UM, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT THAT WAS IN THE RESTRICTIVE FUND AMOUNTS, UM, OUR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES FOR THE PARKS PORTION OF IT HAD 2.7 MILLION, UM, THAT WAS RESTRICTED FOR PARKS. LARRY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT, UH, ARE WE AT ANY RISK OF THOSE, ALL OF THAT OLD MONEY HAVING TO RETURN ANY OF IT? RIGHT NOW? WE'RE AT A, AT A PRETTY GOOD POINT TO WHERE WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO HAVE TO REFUND ANY MONEY. UM, IT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE NEW DIFF FEES WHEN THE LAW CHANGED, THEY ADDED THE PART ABOUT REFUNDING. SO, UM, OF THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WAS, UM, 2026 THAT IF WE JUST SAT ON IT RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE PLANS TO SPEND IT, THAT BY 2026 WE'D HAVE TO START REFUNDING. SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE. OKAY, GOOD. THANKS. UM, THE COMMITTED FUND BALANCES, SO COMMITTED BASICALLY MEANS THAT THERE'S BEEN A COUNCIL ORDINANCE, UM, THAT HAS, HAS LEGALLY FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, LEGALLY SAID THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING, UM, TO BE USED. SO, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE THE ORDINANCE CAN'T BE RESCINDED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE RESTRICTED FUND BALANCE WHERE THERE'S SOME SORT OF OUTSIDE LEGAL RESTRICTION ON THOSE MONIES. THE, UM, TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX BALANCE WAS THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT 8.5 MILLION. UM, THE NEXT BIGGEST PART DURING THE BUDGET WORK SESSIONS COUNCIL SAID THEY WANTED TO PUT 1 MILLION AS AN ADDITIONAL ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTION TO THE PSP R S UNFUNDED LIABILITY. UM, SO, UM, THAT WAS THE OTHER PART THERE. THE, UM, ASSIGNED FUND BALANCES. SO ASSIGNED FUND BALANCES ARE THINGS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THOSE LEGAL RESTRICTIONS ON THEM, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE [00:35:01] EARMARKED THEM AND SAID WE WANT TO USE THESE MONIES FOR THESE PURPOSES, THE CAPITAL RESERVES. AND WE ALSO ALLOCATED PART OF THE GENERAL FUND SURPLUSES DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS TOWARDS THE CAPITAL RESERVES. SO THAT WAS 22 MILLION. UM, AND THE BALANCE FOR ASSIGNED, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST PART THERE. THERE WAS ALSO 5 MILLION THAT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT COUNCIL SAID WE WANT TO ASSIGN, UM, TO TRANSIT BETWEEN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BALANCE AND THE, THE AMOUNT IN GENERAL FUND OF THE SURPLUS THAT WE WERE SEEING DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS WE WANTED TO ALLOCATE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WAS 3.5 MILLION. UM, AND I KNOW, KNOW, IT'S BEEN A QUESTION IN PRIOR YEARS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AFER, YOU DON'T LOOK AT IT AND GO, OH, THERE'S THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND. UM, BECAUSE OF THE ACCOUNTING RULES, IT HAS TO BE ROLLED INTO THE GENERAL FUND. IN ORDER TO BE SEPARATED INTO ONE OF THE OTHER FUNDS, IT HAS TO HAVE A DESIGNATED REVENUE SOURCE AND WE DON'T HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE DESIGNATED FOR IT. WE BASICALLY ARE FUNDING IT WITH TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND TRANSFERS ARE NOT A REVENUE SOURCE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER LARGE ITEM IN THE ASSIGNED FUND BALANCES ARE THE MONIES WE'VE SET ASIDE FOR REPLACEMENT RESERVES. UM, WHICH THERE'S 1.3 MILLION IN THERE. UM, THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCES 15 MILLION, SO GENERAL FUND HAD 15.7 OF THAT REPRESENTS 8.3 MILLION. UM, THAT WE WILL BE, UM, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET PROCESS TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT ALLOCATED, UM, UNASSIGNED BALANCE, UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCES, UM, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE POSITIVE AMOUNTS IN THE GENERAL FUND AND ANY OTHER NEGATIVE AMOUNTS THAT YOU HAVE IN ANY OTHER FUNDS. SO YOU SEE THE OTHER FUNDS HAS A NEGATIVE 0.6 MILLION. UM, SO 600,000, UM, BE THOSE, THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT CAN BE AN UNASSIGNED. UM, SOME OF THAT IS JUST TIMING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHEN REVENUES ARE RECEIVED AND AND HOW WE RECORD THEM. IT'S WEIRD ACCOUNTING RULES. IT SAYS IF YOU, IF YOU RECEIVE THE MONEY AFTER 60 DAYS, YOU DON'T GET TO ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE IT AS REVENUE . SO EVEN THOUGH WE GOT IT, UM, WE DIDN'T GET TO COUNT IT. AND THEN SOME OF IT IS BECAUSE PORTIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES ARE IN THAT, UM, PORTION WHERE THEY ARE IN DEFICIT BALANCES. UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE BUDGET WORK SESSION OR, BUT WORK SESSIONS AND IN THE FINAL BUDGET PROCESS, HOW, UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATING HAVING TO DO LOANS TO DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES BECAUSE THE WAY THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES WORK IS THE FEE STUDY CALCULATES WHAT THE FEE NEEDS TO BE FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD AND COLLECTING THE MONEY OVER THAT 10 YEARS. BUT OUR PROJECTS ARE FRONT LOADED IN THE EARLY PART OF IT, SO WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET IT. UM, SO IT WAS JUST, UM, THE MECHANISM OF HOW ALL THAT WORKS. QUESTION. OKAY. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THE GENERAL FUND. SO WE HAVE, UM, SURPLUS AND THE GENERAL FUND OF THE, THE 8 MILLION, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO SUPPORT OTHER FUNDS BY QUITE, QUITE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT HERE, UM, OVER, OVER 10 MILLION IN TOTAL. BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A NET AMOUNT OF 8 MILLION BECAUSE WE ROLL IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND NET, THOSE TRANSFERS THAT WERE DONE, UM, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES HERE. SO, UM, WE'RE GRADUALLY WEANING OFF THE SUBSIDY TO THE WASTEWATER FUND. FOR FISCAL YEAR 22, IT WAS 3.3 MILLION. UM, THE SUPPORT THAT WE PROVIDE ANNUALLY FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND IS 2.5 MILLION. UM, WE ALSO HAD, UH, ONE TIME TRANSFERS, UH, STRATEGIC LAND ACQUISITION THAT WAS DECIDED IN THE PREVIOUS BUDGET PROCESS OF, UM, PORTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 19 SURPLUS, ABOUT 1.9 MILLION, AND THEN PORTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 20 SURPLUS WENT TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF ABOUT 1.8 MILLION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET AND HOW THE BUDGET COMPARED TO WHAT THE ACTUAL RESULTS WERE ON THE REVENUE SIDE, THESE WERE SOME OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT, UM, DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BUDGET AND, UM, THE ACTUAL SALES AND BED TAX SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED BECAUSE WE WERE, UM, IN THE MIDST OF COVID TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE SHOULD BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 21. AND WE WERE PRETTY CONSERVATIVE IN THOSE NUMBERS AND IT ENDED UP BEING A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED. AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED ABOUT THE, UM, UNREALIZED LOSSES THAT WE HAD TO RECOGNIZE IN OUR VE INVESTMENTS. SO THAT'S WHY THE, UH, AMOUNT THAT WE HAD BUDGETED COMPARED TO WHAT THE ACTUAL RESULTS WERE THAT WE HAD TO RECORD, UH, ARE DIFFERENT ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. UM, SO THE SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT WE HAD THERE, WE HAD CONTINGENCIES SET ASIDE OF 2.6 MILLION. PART OF IT WAS, UM, DIRECTLY LIKE WHAT WE THINK OF AS THE GENERAL FUND AND PART IT WAS CONTINGENCIES FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND, UM, THAT, THAT PORTION OF IT WAS UNSPENT. UM, AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WAS UNDER BUDGET BY 1.0 MILLION. UM, THE [00:40:01] CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS A LOT OF, UM, PROGRAMS THAT ARE PART OF. SO THERE'S, UM, THE, UH, HOUSING AND, UM, SUSTAINABILITY AND THE TOURISM MANAGEMENT WERE ALL PART OF THE PROGRAMS WITHIN WHAT'S THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF CITY MANAGER. SO, UM, SOME DELAYS IN SOME OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF, OF SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS. UM, THE, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT EXPENDITURES, UM, UNDER BUDGET ABOUT 200,000. A LOT OF THAT HAD, UH, TO DO WITH TIMING OF THE COST OF WHAT THEY HAD BUDGETED, ANTICIPATING FOR THE 10 YEAR, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE AND WHEN SOME OF THOSE COSTS ACTUALLY GOT INCURRED AND POLICE EXPENDITURES WERE UNDER BUDGET ABOUT 200,000. AND A LOT OF THAT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, THE VACANCIES AND TURNOVER THAT THEY HAD AND DELAYS IN GETTING SOME OF THEIR POSITIONS THAT THEY GOT ADDED TO THE 22 BUDGET. UM, DELAYS IN ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO GET THOSE FILLED. UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFICULT PROCESS TRYING TO GET POSITIONS HIRED. THE WASTEWATER FUND EXPENSES, SO WASTEWATER FUND IS NOT PART OF WHAT WE CALL THE GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. UM, WASTEWATER FUND IS TREATED LIKE AS IF IT'S A ALMOST LIKE A BUSINESS ENTITY IN THE WAY THE ACCOUNTING IS DONE FOR THE WASTEWATER FUND. UM, IT WENT FROM 8.9 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 21 TO 8.6, SO A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE THERE. AND THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE DECREASE WAS RELATED TO THE INTEREST EXPENSES THAT WERE INCURRED BECAUSE WE ALSO HAD ISSUED BONDS DURING FISCAL YEAR 22 TO REFUND THE SERIES 2012 BONDS, UM, TO HELP, UM, GENERATE A SAVINGS BASED OFF OF, UM, GETTING A LOWER INTEREST RATE ON, ON THAT. SO THAT REDUCED OUR EXPENSES, THE WASTEWATER FUND, UM, REVENUE SOURCES. SO, UH, OPERATING, UM, REVENUES ARE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SOURCE AND THAT'S THE GENERAL OPERATING OF THE MONTHLY BILLS THAT GO OUT. THE, UM, THEY WERE PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE. THE, UH, CAPACITY FEES, UM, DECREASED ABOUT 800,000 BECAUSE WE HAD SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ONE TIME LARGE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS THAT PAID SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY FEES IN THE PRIOR YEAR. AND THE OTHER REVENUES, AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE UNREALIZED LOSSES ON THE INVESTMENTS. UH, NET POSITION CHANGED A LITTLE BIT FROM FISCAL YEAR 21, WENT FROM 97 MILLION TO 98 MILLION. UH, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECE THAT INCREASED WAS THE PORTION THAT WE CALL THE NET INVESTMENT IN CAPITAL ASSETS. UM, IT'S KIND OF A FUNKY CALCULATION WHERE WE TAKE CAPITAL ASSETS AND SAY, BUT WE STILL OWE THIS MUCH IN DEBT ON THOSE ASSETS. AND LIKE IT'S, IT'S A WEIRD CALCULATION THAT WE DO. UM, BUT IT INCREASED PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE ASSETS THAT WE'RE BEING ADDED AND SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT PROGRESS THAT WAS GOING ON, UH, PARTICULARLY THE 1 79 SEWER MAIN REPLACEMENT WAS ONE OF THE BIG PROJECTS THAT HAPPENED. THE, UM, SUMMARY ON THE BUDGET FOR THE WASTEWATER FUND. SO CAPACITY FEES WERE UNDER BUDGET BECAUSE WE HAD ANTICIPATED SOME ONE-TIME, UH, CAPACITY FEES FOR SOME LARGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR IN 22 THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WERE DELAYED. SO, UM, THOSE MAY BE OCCURRING IN FISCAL YEAR 23. UM, AGAIN ON THE INVESTMENT, UM, EARNINGS BECAUSE THE UNREALIZED LOSSES, THE SUPPLIES AND OTHER EXPENDITURES WERE UNDER BUDGET ABOUT 300,000. UM, THAT'S SOME TO DO WITH SOME OF THE DELAYS IN SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT. AND THEY ALSO INCLUDE SOME, UH, PLACEHOLDERS FOR ANY KIND OF URGENT MAINTENANCE TYPE NEEDS THAT MAY NEED TO HAPPEN AND OR MAY NEED TO BE PAID FOR. AND THOSE DID NOT OCCUR. UM, CAPITAL OUTLAY EXPENDITURES WERE UNDER BUDGET BY 1.6 MILLION. UM, A LOT OF THAT ADDED JUST DUE WITH SOME OF THE DELAYS IN SOME OF THE PROJECTS. WE HAD THE MAJOR LIFT STATION UPGRADES THAT WAS, UM, HEAVILY IMPACTED BY THE CONSTRUCTION AND JUST SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND INFLATIONARY FACTORS. AND SO WE DELAYED SOME OF THAT BECAUSE THE CO PROJECT WAS GOING TO COST SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, UM, THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT TOTAL C I P EXPENDITURES, UM, COMPARING FISCAL YEAR 21 TO FISCAL YEAR 22, UM, SO, UH, WE WENT FROM A BUDGET OF 15 TO BUDGET OF 19 MILLION IN 22, AND THEN THE ACTUAL AMOUNT SPENT, SO IN 21 WE SPENT ABOUT 11 MILLION, AND IN 22 WE GOT ABOUT 13 MILLION, UM, ACCOMPLISHED. SO THERE IS SOME, UM, PORTION OF THAT THAT'S RELATED TO, UM, LIKE LAND ACQUISITION STUFF, LIKE SOME OF THE LAND THAT WE ACQUIRED FOR, UM, THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, UM, IS IN THAT LONG TERM OBLIGATIONS. SO THIS IS OUR DEBT WHERE WE STAND ON OUR DEBT AND OUR DEBT WENT FROM 45 MILLION, UM, TO 65 MILLION. AND THE 45 MILLION IS A RESTATED NUMBER, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT, UM, FROM PREVIOUS. BUT THE, UM, [00:45:02] SOME OF THE, THE BIG INCREASES, SO THE REVENUE BONDS, SO WHEN WE ISSUED THE 25 MILLION IN BONDS, UM, SO THAT INCREASED WHAT OUR REVENUE BOND, UM, OUTSTANDING AMOUNT IS. UM, AND THAT ALSO INCLUDED THE BOND PREMIUM, THE INTEREST ON THE CAPITAL APPRECIATION BONDS. SO WE'RE, UM, WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE MORE YEARS LEFT TO PAY ON THE CAPITAL APPRECIATION BONDS AND, UH, WE ACCRUE THE INTEREST, THE CAPITAL APPRECIATION BONDS, WHERE ARE THE ONES WHERE INTEREST DOESN'T GET PAID UNTIL THE VERY END WHEN THE, WHEN THE BONDS ARE PAID INSTEAD OF THE EVERY SIX MONTHS PAYMENT. UM, SO, UM, THERE WAS SOME DECREASE THERE AND THE FINANCE PURCHASES AND THE LEASES. SO, UM, IN YOUR PACKET I HAD, UM, INCLUDED SOME, UH, A LOT OF ACCOUNTING STUFF IN THERE ABOUT THIS NEW STANDARD THAT WE HAD TO, UM, TOO, AND, UM, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, TRYING TO HAVE SOME ALIGNMENT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL REPORTING STANDARDS, UM, WHICH THEY REFER TO AS IERS. AND SO LEASES THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE PUT ON THE BALANCE SHEET BEFORE NOW HAD TO BE ON THE BALANCE SHEET. AND SO IT REALLY KIND OF CHANGED THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND SEEING HERE QUITE A BIT. AND UNLESS SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS TO DIG INTO SOME ACCOUNTING, I WASN'T REALLY GONNA GET INTO THAT TOO MUCH MORE. UM, SHERRY, WHEN DID THAT CHANGE TAKE EFFECT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR? 22 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR? YEAH. YEAH. AND SO WE HAD TO RESTATE THE BEGINNING BALANCES BECAUSE OF THAT. UM, SO THE NET PENSION OPEB LIABILITY, UM, OPEB STANDS FOR OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, WHICH IS JUST OTHER COMPONENTS OF WHAT AS RS AND PS P R S HAVE, UM, TO WHAT THEY OFFER, UM, IN THEIR PROGRAMS. SO OUR UNFUNDED LIABILITIES, UM, DECREASED IN TOTAL BETWEEN THE PORTION THAT WE ESTIMATE IS OUR PORTION OF ASS'S, UM, UNFUNDED LIABILITY AND OUR PS P S AMOUNT BY 5 MILLION, UM, 2.8 MILLION DECREASE IN THE ASRS ONE, UM, WHICH WAS ABOUT 26% DECREASE. AND OUR PS PS UNFUNDED LIABILITY WENT DOWN ABOUT 2.2 MILLION 37%. UM, THE, IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE WEIRD ACCOUNTING THINGS. WE DON'T ACTUALLY GET INFORMATION FROM THE PLANS THAT IS CURRENT. SO THESE, THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE LIABILITIES OF JUNE 30TH, 2021. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LIABILITY INFORMATION AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2022, UM, ANYWHERE CLOSE TO ANY TIMEFRAME OF BEING ABLE TO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR AUDIT. THE FISCAL YEAR 21 FOR THE PENSION PLANS WITH THEIR INVESTMENTS WAS A BOOM OF A YEAR. SO THAT'S A MAIN REASON WHY THESE, UM, LIABILITIES WENT DOWN SO MUCH IS BECAUSE HOW WELL THEY DID ON THEIR INVESTMENTS. UM, THEY, THEY'RE NOT REALLY EXPECTING TO HAVE LIKE THE SIMILAR TYPE OF THINGS HOPEFULLY, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SOME UNREALIZED LOSSES THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL, THEY'RE A BIG ENOUGH INVESTMENT POOL THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT GOING TO, UM, HAVE TOO MUCH OF AN ISSUE THERE. YES. MR. MAYOR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE? SHERRY, THANK YOU. ON THE, UH, THE PS P R S UNFUNDED LIABILITY, SO SORRY, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED ABOUT THE, THAT LIABILITY WAS, UH, AT THE RECENT, UM, NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS TRAINING THAT, UH, THE LEAGUE PUT ON AND, UH, UH, COUNSELOR DUNN AND MYSELF, UH, WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THAT. AND IT WAS INTERESTING SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES. UM, THIS WAS A TOPIC THAT A LOT OF THEM WANTED TO KNOW, LIKE, HOW ARE YOU HANDLING YOUR UNFUNDED LIABILITY? AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE DEGREE OF FINANCIAL STRENGTH AND RESOURCE WE HAVE AND HOW WE'RE HANDLING THAT COMPARED TO HOW SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE IN THE STATE. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN COMMENT ON? I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT I HEARD AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT, BUT I'D ABSOLUTELY, I'D RATHER HEAR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT. ABSOLUTELY. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO APPROACH, UM, PAYING THAT DOWN. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE PAYING THE FULL AMOUNT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR IN JULY INSTEAD OF PAYING WITH EACH PAY PERIOD. UM, SO THAT WAY WE ARE ACCRUING EARNINGS ON THE MONEY, UM, FASTER. AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION WITH ME RIGHT NOW, BUT UM, WE ACTUALLY FIND OUT FROM PSPS, OKAY, NOW HOW MUCH DID THAT GAIN US BY PAYING JULY ONE? AND SOMETIMES IT'S BEEN REALLY SIGNIFICANT HOW MUCH THAT GAINS US. UM, THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE OPTED FOR WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS THE LEVEL FUNDING APPROACH, WHERE WE HAVE SAID, OKAY, IN ORDER TO GET OUR LIABILITY PAID OFF WITHIN THE, THE PERIOD THAT THEY HAVE OF WHEN THEY'RE SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AMORTIZED LIABILITY PAID OFF. SO I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF IF WE PAY THE SAME AMOUNT EVERY YEAR, A LEVEL FUNDING AMOUNT, WHAT DOES THAT ABOUT NEED TO BE THAT [00:50:01] WE WE PAY OFF? AND SO, UM, WE'VE ESTIMATED 1.1 MILLION. THERE'S A MODELER THAT PSP R S THEIR ACTUARIES PUT TOGETHER FOR US THAT WE USE TO DO THE CALCULATION. AND, UM, SO WE'VE BEEN DOING 1.1 MILLION, WHICH, UM, RESULTS IN, UM, OVER 300,000 TYPICALLY, UM, EACH YEAR THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IN IN SOME YEARS IT WAS MORE THAN THAT, UM, AS ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION, UM, TO HELP PAY THAT DOWN. SO, AND THEN ALSO COUNSEL, UM, UM, AUTHORIZED AN ADDITIONAL 1 MILLION RIGHT, UM, FOR JULY THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR THIS YEAR. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN A VERY GOOD PLACE, UH, FOR PAYING THAT DOWN. AND WE WERE NEVER IN AS SEVERE OF A SITUATION AS SOME OF THE CITIES WERE. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE HEARING AT THE, THE LEAGUE MEETING WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME COMMUNITIES THAT ARE FLOATING BONDS THAT ARE ISSUING, UH, SALES TAX TO COVER THOSE LIABILITIES. SO WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HANDLE THE WAY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT KIND OF, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A DIRE STRAITS WHEN YOU'RE HEARING THAT THEY'RE ISSUING BONDS TO COVER THAT LIABILITY. CORRECT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. CONTINUE ON. OKAY. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS BEEN TALKING ABOUT DEBT IS TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, THE LIMITATIONS ON OUR DEBT. THE, UM, ARIZONA LAW HAS, UM, A LIMITATION THAT'S BASED OFF OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, AND WE HAVE NO GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT APPLIES UNDER THOSE LIMITS. THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ARE REPAID WITH PROPERTY TAXES, AND WE DO NOT HAVE A PROPERTY TAX LEVY. WHAT WE ISSUE IS REVENUE BONDS, WHICH MEANS WE'RE PLEDGING OUR REVENUES. AND SO WHEN WE PLEDGE OUR REVENUES, YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THIS PLEDGED REVENUE COVERAGE PERSPECTIVE, UM, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED COVERAGE, WHICH IS IN OUR BOND COVENANTS, IS THAT OUR PLEDGED REVENUES HAVE TO BE ONE AND A HALF TIMES WHATEVER OUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT IS. AND FOR FISCAL YEAR 22, WE WERE WAY ABOVE THAT. WE WERE AT SEVEN AND A HALF TIMES, UM, WHAT OUR PAYMENT WAS. SO WE HAVE, UM, WELL ABOVE, UM, WHAT IS NEEDED SO THAT ESSENTIALLY FROM THIS TYPE OF PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE WAY UNDER THE LIMIT OF WHAT WE COULD DO. YES. SO WHAT I, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT SEDONAS UM, ISSUING BONDS IS IN NO WAY HARMING THE, UM, OUR FINANCIAL POSITION SINCE WE'LL, WELL, WELL UNDERNEATH WHATEVER, UH, WELL ABOVE , WHATEVER'S REQUIRED. THANK YOU. YES, COUNSEL FURMAN. THANK YOU. UH, I'LL JUST CHIP IN HERE, UH, CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO PACK OF PAGE ONE 40, WHICH SHOWS THE HISTORY OF OUR, OUR, UH, UH, COVERAGE. AND YOU LOOK AT IT THROUGH THE YEARS AND WE'RE JUST GETTING BETTER AND BETTER EVERY YEAR. I MEAN, I'M JUST SUPER IMPRESSED AND PROUD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY THAT HAS THIS KIND OF, UM, DEDICATION TO FISCAL RESPONSIBILITIES. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY, ANY OTHERS? OKAY. IT'S ALL YOURS. UM, SO THE EXPENDITURE LIMITATION SUMMARY. SO OUR EXPENDITURE LIMIT FOR 2022 WAS 71 MILLION, AND THE EXPENDITURES THAT WERE SUBJECT TO THE LIMIT WERE 54. SO WE WERE WAY UNDER OUR LIMIT, WHICH IS TYPICAL OF WHAT HAPPENS. UM, WE, WHEN WE BUILD OUR BUDGET, WHICH BECOMES OUR LIMIT BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE UNDER HOME RULE, HOME RULE SAYS WHATEVER AMOUNT WE BUDGET BECOMES OUR EXPENDITURE LIMIT, AND WE, UM, PUT A LOT OF THINGS IN THERE OF CONTINGENCIES AND VARIOUS THINGS OF JUST, YOU KNOW, IF THIS HAPPENS OR IF THAT HAPPENS. AND SO, UM, VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT, UM, DIFFERENCE HERE BETWEEN THE TWO. OKAY. SO NOW I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR AUDITORS. UM, SO WE HAVE, UH, RICHARD GILLESPIE, WHO'S BEEN THE LEAD ON OUR AUDIT. UM, AND WE HAVE SANDY KROST WHO IS THE, UM, I DON'T YOU GUYS DON'T USE THE WORD PRINCIPAL, THEY DON'T USE PARTNER. YEAH. UH, THEY USE THE WORD PRINCIPAL, UM, THAT IS, UM, IN CHARGE OF OUR AUDIT. AND SO I BELIEVE RICHARD IS GOING TO START OFF. YES, YES. UM, ONCE AGAIN, I'M RICHARD GILLESPIE WITH CLIFTON NASON ALLEN. I'M A DIRECTOR AT THE FIRM. UM, FIRSTLY I'LL GO OVER, UM, JUST KIND OF A OVERVIEW OF WHY I'M OF AN AUDIT. UM, WE EXAMINE, VERIFY MANAGEMENT'S ASSERTIONS AND PROVIDE AN OPINION ON THOSE ASSERTIONS. UM, WE ALSO EVALUATE RISK DURING THOSE PROCEDURES. UM, AND THEN WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH, WE'LL INCLUDE FINDINGS, RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO MANAGEMENT, UM, DURING THAT PROCESS. AND, UM, LASTLY, WE DO WORK FOR AND SHOULD REPORT, UM, OUR RESULTS TO COUNCIL. AND THAT KEEPS US INDEPENDENT FROM THE AUDIT PROCESS. SO, ALL RIGHT. THE RE REPORTING PACKAGE INCLUDES, UM, FIVE DIFFERENT REPORTS. [00:55:01] UM, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE COMMUNICATION TO GOVERNANCE, THE SECOND ONE BEING THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT. UM, THIRD INTERNAL CONTROL COMMUNICATION, FOURTH, THE HERF REPORT, AND FIFTH, THE EXPENDITURE LIMITATION REPORT. SO THE GOVERNMENT'S GOVERNANCE COMMUNICATION, UM, INCLUDES THE OVERVIEW OF THE AUDIT, INCLUDING THE ACCOUNTING POLICIES, ACCOUNTING ESTIMATES, AND ANY UNCORRECTED MISSTATEMENTS, WHICH THERE WERE NONE. UM, THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT, WHICH SHERRY HAS ALREADY, UM, PRESENTED IN DETAIL, UM, WHICH INCLUDES THE BASIC FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, WHICH WE INCLUDE AN AUDIT OPINION, UM, THE COMBINING AND INDIVIDUAL FUND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND SCHEDULES, WHICH WE INCLUDE IN RELATION TO OPINION, AND THEN THE REQUIRED SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION, STATISTICAL SECTION AND INTRODUCTORY SECTION, UM, WHICH WE DON'T INCLUDE AN OPINION ON. UM, AND, UM, SO WE DID RENDER AN UN UNMODIFIED OR A CLEAN OPINION ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AS A WHOLE KEY PHRASE. YEAH. INTERNAL. REPEAT THAT, RICHARD, JUST HOLD ON FOR ONE, ONE SEC. WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE VICE MAYOR. OH, THANKS. UH, I THANK YOU. NICE TO SEE YOU. UH, ARE THE FIVE REPORTS YOU DO REQUIRED REPORTS BY THE STATE OR WHAT, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT THOSE ARE THE REPORTS? SOME OF THEM ARE REQUIRED BY THE STATE, THE HERF REPORT, THE EXPENDITURE LIMITATION REPORT. SOME OF THEM ARE REQUIRED THROUGH OUR, OUR ACCOUNTING STANDARDS, OUR AUDITING STANDARDS, THE GOVERNANCE COMMUNICATION, UM, THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, AND THEN THE REPORT ON INTERNAL CONTROLS. AND, UH, ARE THOSE THE SAME OR SIMILAR IN EVERY SINGLE CITY? YES. UM, THE INTERNAL CONTROL COMMUNICATION MAY BE DIFFERENT IF THE CITY, UM, WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A SINGLE AUDIT, WHERE YOU WOULD'VE EXPENDED MORE THAN $750,000 OF FEDERAL MONIES. IT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH ANOTHER REPORT ON COMPLIANCE AS WELL. THE REPORT WOULD BE THE SAME, BUT IT WOULD BE PART OF ANOTHER PACKAGE. UM, THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, YOU GUYS DIDN'T REQU, YOU DIDN'T HIT THAT LIMIT. SO THE INTERNAL CONTROL COMMUNICATION IS JUST A SEPARATE LETTER. AND IF WE WANTED A PERFORMANCE AUDIT ON IT, BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE JUST DOING A FINANCIAL AUDIT, YOU'RE NOT DOING A PERFORMANCE AUDIT RIGHT. ON A PROGRAM. CORRECT. IF, IF WE CHOSE TO DO THAT ON ANY PARTICULAR PROGRAM. IS THAT A SERVICE THAT YOU OFFER? WE DO, YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE DO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY. ALL THE MIC, THE INTERNAL COM, UH, INTERNAL CONTROL COMMUNICATION, UM, WHICH IS A REPORT ON INTERNAL CONTROL OF FINANCIAL REPORTING AND NONCOMPLIANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS. UM, THERE ARE NO, NO MATERIAL WEAKNESSES AND NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES. SO, UM, A CLEAN REPORT THERE. UM, NEXT ONE, WHICH IS THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUND COMPLIANCE REPORT. THIS IS REQUIRED THROUGH THE STATE. UM, WE EXAMINE, UM, UH, TERM COMPLIANCE AS TO WHETHER EXPENDITURES FROM THE HERF MONIES WERE PURSUANT TO ARS STATUTES, UM, FOR AUDIT APPROACH. WE, UM, SELECT SAMPLES OF ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, DISBURSEMENTS AND PAYROLL DISBURSEMENTS, UM, AND TEST FOUR COMPLIANCE. AND THERE WERE NO FINDINGS, UM, DURING OUR AUDIT PROCEDURES ON THAT. UM, AND THEN THE ANNUAL EXPENDITURE LIMITATION REPORT, WHICH IS ALSO REQUIRED THROUGH THE STATE, UM, WHICH, UM, SHERRY ALREADY WENT OVER THROUGH DETAIL, UM, IN DETAIL. UM, THE CITY WAS WELL WITHIN THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT. SHE ALREADY WENT OVER THROUGH THE EXACT AMOUNTS ON HER PRESENTATION. AND THEN THAT'S, UM, PRETTY MUCH AN OVERVIEW OF THE AUDIT AND THE REPORTS IN YOUR REPORTING PACKAGE. VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A, A FEW MINUTES HERE. UM, SO SHERRY TOUCHED ON THE NEW, UM, ACCOUNTING STANDARD RELATED TO THE LEASES. UM, AND I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THE DETAILS, JUST KNOW THAT THAT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AUDITING STANDARD OR ACCOUNTING STANDARD TO IMPLEMENT. UM, IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF TIME ON, UM, CITY PERSONNEL TO DO AND ON THE AUDIT SIDE AS WELL. SO IT'S, UM, I GUESS WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD. WE'RE SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW, THE FIRST PART OF JANUARY, HAVING THE AUDIT COMPLETE. UM, CUZ THAT WAS NO EASY TASK TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THAT. SO, UM, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK SHERRY AND HER STAFF FOR THE RESPONSIVENESS AND THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT THEY EXHIBIT DURING THE AUDIT. UM, UM, FOR MOST OF OUR CITIES YOUR SIZE, CLE ACTUALLY PREPARES THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AS PART OF OUR SERVICE. UM, YOU GUYS HAVE A FINANCE STAFF THAT PUTS THAT DOCUMENT TOGETHER. YOU CAN SEE THE SIZE OF IT, THE TIME COMMITMENT THAT IT TAKES, AND THE EXPERTISE THAT THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT FOR YOU. IT'S A BIG DEAL. IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, UM, AND EFFORT TO GET THAT DONE. AND [01:00:01] IT WAS JUST A WONDERFUL THING THAT THEY GOT IT DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER SO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND GET THE AUDIT DONE AND COMPLETE. UM, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE COOPERATION WE GET FROM YOUR STAFF AND, UM, JUST ENJOY THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH YOUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYBODY THAT WE, UM, COME IN CONTACT WITH HERE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S VERY NICE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR JESSICA HAS ONE TOO. I HAVE A COMMENT, BUT OF COURSE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UH, WHAT ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL COURT? ARE YOU DOING THAT AUDIT AS WELL? WE ARE, WE ARE ALMOST DONE WITH THAT. WE'RE WAITING ON A FEW MORE DOCUMENTS FROM THE COURT, SO, UM, WE'RE HOPING TO WRAP THAT UP HERE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN YOU'LL BE PRESENTING THAT TO US SEPARATELY. UM, WE PROBABLY WON'T COME UP AND PRESENT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF SHERRY, IF YOU WILL. WELL, AND IT'S A REPORT THAT'S DIRECTED TO THE JUDGE, RIGHT? YES. SO IT'S NOT A REPORT DIRECTED TO COUNSEL, IT'S A REPORT DIRECTED TO THE JUDGE. SO IF, UM, THE JUDGE CHOSE TO BRING THAT TO YOU, HE COULD, OR IF YOU WANTED TO REQUEST THAT HE BRING THAT TO YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT AS WELL. OKAY. WHAT'S THE MECHANISM FOR REQUESTING THAT? SEND A NOTE TO THE JUDGE. OKAY. I JUST, OKAY. UH, COMMENT. NOTHING. NOTHING. YEAH, NO, I WILL. OKAY. SO EVERYBODY HAS THEIR, UH, THEIR QUESTIONS, SO NOW WE'RE DOING COMMENTS. SO COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. THANK YOU, SHERRY, I AM ALWAYS AMAZED. , WE, I WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN. I THINK I DO THIS LIKE EVERY YEAR AND EVERY TIME YOU BRING US SOMETHING, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS SPECTACULARLY DONE. YOUR WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND YOUR ABILITY TO, TO ACTUALLY CONVEY THE INFORMATION IS REALLY, I APPRECIATE IT TREMENDOUSLY AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR THE FINE WORK YOU CONTINUE TO DO. UM, AND YOU REPRESENT US SO WELL TO OUTSIDE PARTIES AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, KNOWING THAT YOU'VE HAD SOME, UH, STAFF CHALLENGES IN THIS PAST YEAR TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, THIS KIND OF WORK PRODUCT IS JUST VERY ADMIRABLE AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU MY THANKS AS WELL. SO I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK. I KNOW YOU EXTEND A LOT OF HOURS, WAY MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, EX EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF HOURS. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU MY THANKS AS WELL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL FURMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UH, I'LL DITTO ON THE CONGRATULATIONS. I'VE READ CAFFER FOR YEARS. IT'S NICE TO GO THROUGH AN ACFI NOW AND, AND LEARN THE DIFFERENCES. UM, WE DO A STELLAR JOB. CONGRATS TO ALL OF THE STAFF, THE CITY THAT'S, THAT'S DOING THIS WORK. AND, UH, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PACKET PAGE NUMBERS AND THANK YOU ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR REFERENCING THE PACKAGE PAGE NUMBERS IN YOUR PRESENTATION. THAT IS JUST BIG CHANGE. SUPER HELPFUL, RIGHT? WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND JUST A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC, THESE DOCUMENTS ARE BIG. IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH 'EM IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ONE THING IN THEM. LOOK AT THE STATISTICAL SECTION AT THE BACK END OF THESE REPORTS. AFER , IT HAS, UH, AMAZING HISTORICAL DATA THAT IS JUST SUPER USEFUL TO LOOK AT AND THINK ABOUT. SO THANK YOU, UH, CASTLE KINSELLA, BEFORE YOU START AT THE CITY MANAGER HAS A COMMENT, I THINK. UH, WELL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME. AND, AND I, IT WAS JUST TO ECHO SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, IT CANNOT BE OVERSTATED. MM-HMM. THE PROFESSIONALISM AND EXPERTISE THAT WE HAVE IN SHERRY AND HER TEAM, AND THEY HAVE HAD VERY SIGNIFICANT STAFFING CHALLENGES. MM-HMM. AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND ENERGY THAT THIS WOMAN AND HER TEAM HAVE PUT IN IS, IS EXTRAORDINARY. AND WE ARE VERY, VERY LUCKY, FORTUNATE, VERY I'LL SAY. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL KINSELLA AND MY COMMENTS ARE ALONG THE SAME LINE. IT'S, MY COMMENT IS REALLY DIRECTED TO THE PUBLIC, UM, WHICH IT SOUNDS INTIMIDATING, UH, TO READ THIS, THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT. LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO BE BORED, BUT I SWEAR YOU WILL NOT BE. UM, THIS IS, THIS IS SEDONA CIVICS 1 0 1 IS IN THIS DOCUMENT FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T KNOW THAT THIS IS WHERE YOU LOOK THROUGH TO FIND OUR DEMOGRAPHICS, OUR SPENDING PATTERNS, UH, THE VISION, NOT IN A WAY THAT'S LAID OUT IN OUR PRIORITIES, BUT YOU CAN SEE, AS I SAID, THE PATTERNS ARE TRENDING, UM, WHERE POLICY HAS BEEN MADE THAT AFFECTS OUR FINANCIAL SECURITY HERE AS A CITY. THIS, THIS DOCUMENT IS SO COMPREHENSIVE. THERE IS SO MUCH IN THERE THAT IF THERE'S ONE DOCUMENT YOU'RE GOING TO READ OTHER THAN MAYBE THE LDC, UM, THIS IS THE ONE [01:05:01] FOR, FOR PEOPLE IN SEDONA THAT CARE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR COMMUNITY OR HOW YOUR COMMUNITY IS BEING FORMED AND SHAPED. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN IMPRESSIVE DOCUMENT AND HATS OFF. THANK YOU. OKAY. ON THIS SIDE, ANY OTHER, WHAT THEY, THEY SAID , SO I'LL CHIME IN AND JUST SAY, AS A SOCIOLOGIST, WOW. , UM, I WAS IMPRESSED BY THE WAY IN WHICH IT WAS PUT TOGETHER, WHICH MADE IT, UM, UNDERSTANDABLE TO SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT AN ACCOUNTANT, UM, HAS NO IDEA ABOUT FINANCE OR AUDIT, BUT I CAME AWAY, UM, WITH A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING. TO KATHY'S POINT, A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS GETS PUT TOGETHER. THE AMOUNT OF WORK IS JUST ASTOUNDING. AND SO ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT THIS, UM, YEAH, IT'S A LOT OF PAGES. UM, BUT YOU REALLY GOT A REAL FUNDAMENTAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND EVERY TIME YOU, AS A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY WANT TO SAY, HOW ARE WE SPENDING OUR MONEY, GO BACK TO THIS DOCUMENT AND TAKE A LOOK. AND IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SPREADSHEET PART, GO UP A LITTLE BIT AND READ WHAT EACH OF THE SECTIONS ARE ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY IN PLAIN ENGLISH. SO I APPLAUD YOU. OKAY. I'LL MAKE IT BRIEF. UM, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF YEARS THAT THE WAY THAT OPERATING AND CAPITAL LEASES ARE ACCOUNTED FOR IS WACKY. SO THE CHANGE THAT NOW HAS TAKEN PLACE ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE TO ME. UH, SORRY YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PAIN AND SUFFERING TO RECLASS EVERYTHING, BUT WELL DONE AND DITTO EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. MAKE YOU CRY. THANK YOU. VERY DESERVING OF IT. IT'S EXTREMELY DESERVING. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S COMING UP THAT WILL BITE US POTENTIALLY OF CHANGES? SO, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, WHAT DOES BITTA STAND FOR? DO YOU REMEMBER? SOFTWARE, SOFTWARE BASED BASED, WE'RE SO STUCK BACK IN THE LEASES RIGHT NOW. SO THE NEXT ONE IS SUBSCRIPTION BASED, UM, SOFTWARE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START RECORDING LIABILITIES AND ASSETS FOR THOSE AS WELL. SO THAT'LL BE FUN. YEAH. I'M GLAD WE HAVE YOU HERE, CHUCK. CHUCK DOESN'T KNOW YET. DON'T, DON'T TELL HIM YET. . ALL RIGHT. OKAY. VERY NICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MAKING THE TRIP UP. THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU NEXT TIME. OKAY. UH, MOVING ALONG, WE [8.b. AB 2908 Presentation/discussion and update from Tread Lightly! Executive Director, Matt Caldwell, on the accomplishments and educational outreach done by Tread Lightly! and the Red Rock OHV Conservation Crew (RROCC) to help mitigate the impacts of OHVs within the greater Sedona area. ] HAVE ITEM EIGHT B, PROPOSED ACTION AND SUBJECT A PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND UPDATE FROM, UH, TREAD LIGHTLY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MATT CALDWELL ON THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN EDUCATION OUTREACH, UH, DONE BY TREAD LIGHTLY AND THE O AND THE RED ROCK OHV CONSERVATION CREW ROCK TO HELP MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF OHVS WITHIN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA. CAN USE THAT. OKAY. WELCOME MATT. THANK IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE, SO GOOD. IT'S, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU BARRIS MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNSELORS. UH, JUST AS A START, I, I THINK NOT EVERYBODY PROBABLY HAS HEARD OF TREAD LIGHTLY, SO I'LL GIVE JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF TREAD LIGHTLY. THANK YOU. UH, TREAD LIGHTLY. WE HAVE JUST ENTERED OUR 33RD YEAR, UH, AS A ORGANIZATION. WE ARE A 5 0 1 NONPROFIT, UH, THAT IS ACTUALLY BASED IN NORTH SALT LAKE, UTAH. UH, I AM ACTUALLY A RESIDENT OF SURPRISE. UM, I LIVE HERE IN ARIZONA AND, AND MOVED DOWN HERE WITH THE GOAL TO WORK ON A LOT OF THE O H V IMPACTS THAT WE WERE SEEING IN ARIZONA. UH, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW, KIND OF, OF THE WORK THAT WE DO. UH, WE DO EDUCATIONAL WORK, UM, RELATED TO MOTORIZED RECREATION, UH, BUT WE ALSO DO A LARGE AMOUNT OF STEWARDSHIP WORK THAT TAKES THE FORM OF TRAIL RESTORATION AND CONSERVATION EFFORTS, UH, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO IN OUR 20 21, 20 22 FISCAL YEAR, UH, WE PERFORMED 113 TRAIL RESTORATION PROJECTS IN 22 STATES. UH, WE HAVE A STAFF OF 11. SO THAT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED BY, BY A SMALL STAFF. UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 2200 VOLUNTEERS THAT VOLUNTEERED TO SUPPORT THOSE EFFORTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO, UM, WE WERE ORIGINALLY FOUNDED AS, AS PART OF THE FOREST SERVICE. WE OPERATED AS PART OF THE FOREST SERVICE FOR FIVE YEARS, AND THEN WE'RE MOVED INTO A NON-PROFIT STATUS. UH, SO THAT WE COULD INTERACT WITH AGENCY PARTNERS OUTSIDE OF THE FOREST, BUT ALSO WITH INDUSTRY PARTNERS, UM, WHERE THERE WASN'T A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FROM THE GOVERNMENTAL SIDE. AND WE'LL ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE INDUSTRY PARTNERS AND HOW THEY CAN BENEFIT. SO, UM, JUST A BIT OF A OVERVIEW [01:10:01] THERE RELATED TO TREAD LIGHTLY. SO, UH, ROCK WAS CREATED, UM, IN 2021. UM, AND OUR INVOLVEMENT, UH, TREAD LIGHT'S INVOLVEMENT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE INITIAL INVOLVEMENTS OF THAT. AND I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF THE COPY THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. THAT WAS, THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKETS. UM, BUT I'VE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED CERTAIN THINGS THERE AND READ, UH, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE GET RELATED TO ROCK. UM, SO ROCK STANDS FOR THE RED ROCK O H V CONSERVATION CREW. UM, AND ONE OF THE, THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT WE NORMALLY GET IS, IS ROCK A FORMAL BUSINESS ENTITY, WHICH IT IS NOT THE, THE NAME WAS JUST CREATED TO KIND OF HAVE A REFERENCE POINT FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THAT GROUP. UM, SO SEVERAL INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES THAT PARTICIPATE, UM, IN ROCK MAKE CONTRIBUTIONS AND DONATIONS TO TREAD LIGHTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR 5 0 1 STATUS. UM, AND, UH, THEY ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION. NONE OF THE OHV RELATED BUSINESSES OR TOUR COMPANIES OR RENTAL COMPANIES HERE IN SEDONA ARE ON OUR UNDER OBLIGATION TO DO THAT. UM, THIS IS ALL VOLUNTARY ON THEIR PART, AND, AND THEY'RE MAKING THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS, UM, TO TREAD LIGHTLY. UH, THE FUNDING THAT COMES IN, UH, THROUGH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS IS KIND OF SEPARATED AND RESTRICTED, UM, FROM THE TREAD LIGHTLY STANDPOINT. WE KEEP THAT TRACKED SEPARATELY. UM, AND THOSE DOLLARS STAY HERE IN THE S GREATER SEDONA AREA, UM, TO WORK ON THOSE IMPACTS THAT WE'RE SEEING RELATED TO, UH, TO OHVS HERE. UM, AND, UH, THEY ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION, SORRY, . SO THIS IS SOME OF THE, UH, JUST A SMALL LIST OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PART OF ROCK AND, AND THAT ARE INVOLVED. UM, THERE'S QUITE A FEW, UH, ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN THE AREA THAT ARE INVOLVED. AND, AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE INVOLVEMENT, UM, FROM THESE GROUPS. AND REALLY THE GOAL OF THIS PRESENTATION WAS TO SHARE SOME OF THE POSITIVE WORK, UH, THAT THE GROUP HAS DONE, UH, REALLY IN ABOUT THE LAST 15 MONTHS. UH, BUT MOST OF THIS WORK ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN, IN 2022. SO ONE OF THE, UH, THE FIRST PIECES THAT WE STARTED VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS WAS ENGAGEMENT WITH USERS THAT ARE OUT ON THE TRAIL SYSTEMS IN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA. UM, THAT IS IMPORTANT JUST FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT. UM, WE RECOGNIZE FROM DIFFERENT AREAS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT THE MORE VISIBILITY THAT PEOPLE SEE OF, OF PEOPLE LIKE GROUPS HERE, WHETHER IT'S THE LAND MANAGERS, THE, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEN OUT IN THE TRAIL SYSTEM, WHETHER THEY'RE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR NOT, IT TENDS TO HAVE A, A POSITIVE IMPACT ON BEHAVIOR. UM, SO WE'VE CREATED THESE, UH, THESE ENGAGEMENT AREAS. WE HAVE THESE TENTS. THEY HAVE VISIBILITY. WE'VE CREATED EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS THAT WE CAN HAND OUT AND INTERACT WITH USERS THAT ARE OUT IN THE TRAIL SYSTEMS, PARTICULARLY ON BUSY WEEKENDS. UM, WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF BUSY WEEKENDS WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO THE AREA. UH, AND THOSE ARE REALLY ONE OF THE FOCUS AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THESE TRAIL ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. AND YOU'LL SEE ON EACH OF THESE SLIDES THE INVESTMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE IN THESE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE FUNDING THAT'S BEEN USED FROM THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING FROM ROCK. UH, ONE OF THE FIRST SIGNAGE PROJECTS THAT WE DID, UH, WAS DONE EARLY LAST YEAR. UM, WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON FOREST SERVICE LAND, UM, THERE'S SOME INTERESTING THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH IN TERMS OF REGULATIONS. SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT NONE OF THESE SIGNS ARE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS. UM, WE'LL CALL 'EM SPEED SUGGESTION SIGNS MM-HMM. . UM, AND, AND THAT'S THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK FOR, UH, WORK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE. ALSO, THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN CANNOT APPEAR ON ITS OWN. IT HAS TO APPEAR WITH SOME OTHER SIGN. LIKE YOU SEE THERE, THERE'S A CORNER, UM, THERE, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF OTHER ISSUE THAT'S COMING UP IN ADDITION TO THE, THE SPEED. SO THESE SIGNS WERE PURCHASED, UM, BY THE ROCK GROUP, UM, WITH, THROUGH THE DIRECTION OF THE FOREST SERVICE. UM, AND THEN THROUGH THE VOLUNTEER WORK OF THE ROCK GROUP, THEY WERE INSTALLED, UM, OUT ON THE TRAIL SYSTEM HERE IN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA. DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS AS YOU GO ALONG? I WAS GONNA ASK THAT. YEAH, SURE, SURE. WHO ARE THE VOLUNTEERS IN THIS PHOTO? NOT THEIR NAMES, BUT HOW DO YOU RECRUIT VOLUNTEERS? SO WE HAVE A MIX. UM, MOST OF THESE INDIVIDUALS IN THIS PHOTO WOULD BE PEOPLE, ACTUALLY SOME THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM, I KNOW THAT I RECOGNIZE RECOGNIZE THEM. SO MOST OF THEM ARE, WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT ARE PART OF ROCK OR, OR ORGANIZATIONS HERE LOCALLY. UM, WE DO HAVE, I'LL TALK ABOUT IT TOO IN THE NEXT PROJECT. WE DO HAVE SOME INTERACTION WITH SOME OF THE OTHER NONPROFIT GROUPS HERE, SUCH AS FRIENDS OF THE FOREST HAVE ALSO COME OUT AND VOLUNTEERED WITH THE ROCK ORGANIZATION, UM, TO DO WORK AS WELL. MATT, I HAVE A QUESTION TO GO BECAUSE I I DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION OF YOU. I'M STILL FITTING INTO THIS POSITION HERE. SURE. UH, UH, HOW OFTEN, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, THE, UH, ENGAGEMENT AREAS. HOW OFTEN DO YOU HAVE THEM AND IS IT ALL YEAR ROUND OR CERTAIN AREAS? CERTAIN TIMES? IT, IT'S BEEN TYPICALLY ON THE HEAVY HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, [01:15:01] UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE GET, UH, SAY A COLUMBUS DAY WEEKEND, UM, WHERE WE KNOW, OR WE'VE GOT SPRING BREAK WEEKEND, UH, WEEKENDS WHERE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA SEE INCREASED VOLUME. OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE BEING, UM, STAFFED BY MEMBERS OF THE ROCK GROUP. SO THEY HAVE BUSINESSES THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO RUN TO, BUT MANY OF THEM ARE ALSO PROVIDING STAFF FROM THE ORGANIZATION TO WORK THOSE, THOSE AREAS AS WELL. SO WHEN YOU DO HAVE THESE AREAS, DO YOU HAVE A, A NUMBER OF HOW MANY ENGAGEMENTS YOU HAVE WITH PEOPLE IN THE COURSE OF ONE DAY ON AVERAGE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MIXED DEPENDING ON THE DAY. UM, AND I THINK, UM, SOME OF IT DEPENDS ON THE DIFFERENCE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING THAT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY START TRACKING, UM, MOVING FORWARD. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE FORMALLY TRACK RIGHT NOW. AND DO YOU, DOES EVERYBODY STOP LIKE A REST AREA ON A, ON 17? WE HAVE, UH, ALL TRUCKS HAVE TO PULL OVER. DO YOU EN ENCOURAGE, YOU CAN'T ENFORCE THEM TO, BUT DO YOU ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO STOP? CORRECT. CORRECT. WE CAN'T, WE, WE CAN'T ENFORCE THEM OR, OR FORCE THEM TO STOP. RIGHT. BUT USUALLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S VISIBLE OUT ON THE TRAIL DOES AT LEAST PROMPT SOMEBODY TO PULL IN THERE AND, AND SHOW SOME LEVEL OF INTEREST OF, OF, OKAY, WHAT'S THIS? IT'S KIND OF OUT OF THE ORDINARY HERE. OKAY. AND COUNSEL FOR FOLKS YOU HAVE, UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. UH, MR. CALDWELL, THANKS FOR COMING TONIGHT. I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. UH, JUST KIND OF REWINDING SLIGHTLY. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE SPIN SPUN OUT OF THE FOREST SERVICE, SO YOUR FUNDING NOW COMES FROM WHOM AT THAT NATIONAL LEVEL? SURE. SO GREAT QUESTION. WE HAVE THREE MAIN FUNDING SOURCES FOR TREAD LIGHTLY. UH, ONE IS WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIPS. SO THOSE ARE PEOPLE IN INDIVIDUALS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT PURCHASE A MEMBERSHIP IN TREAD LIGHTLY. IT'S AN ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION AS LITTLE AS $25 A YEAR TO $250 A YEAR. UH, WE HAVE INDUSTRY PARTNERS THAT I REFERENCED, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN, IN THE AUTOMOTIVE OR O H V, UM, INDUSTRY, UH, THAT CONTRIBUTE TO US. AND THEN WE ALSO APPLY FOR, UH, GOVERNMENT GRANTS, UM, NATIONWIDE AT STATE LEVEL THROUGH LIKE THE RECREATIONAL TRAILS PROGRAM OR DIRECT THROUGH BLM, FOREST SERVICE, ET CETERA. SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT MANUFACTURERS LIKE POLARIS, CANAM HONDA ARE ALL MAJOR FUNDING SOURCES FOR TREAD LIGHTLY? YES. UM, PARTICULARLY YOU REFERENCED POLARIS. YES. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA TALK ABOUT A PROJECT THAT POLARIS HAS ACTUALLY HELPED FUNDED HERE IN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA. UM, HONDA IS NOT, UH, KAWASAKI CANAM, UM, YAMAHA ARE ALL PARTICIPATING, UM, WITH US AS WELL, AND THEN SOME OF THE AUTOMAKERS AS WELL. OKAY. AND ON YOUR PRIOR SLIDE WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING THE, THE TENT AND THE, THE TRAIL ENGAGEMENT, SO, UH, IS THAT ICON 5 25 OR IS THAT ON 1 52 C? THIS WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, I BELIEVE THAT LOCATION WAS AT 1 52 C. OKAY. UH, I'M GOOD FOR NOW, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. IT'S ALL YOURS. SO THE, THE NEXT PROJECT I'M GONNA REFERENCE IS AN AREA THAT I'LL SAY KIND OF UN AFFECTIONATELY HAS BECOME KNOWN AS THE DONUT HOLE. IT'S WHERE A LOT OF, UH, OHV RENTALS PARTICULARLY WERE GOING AND, AND DOING DONUTS IN A LARGE OPEN AREA. UM, IT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS, UM, QUICKLY. UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD, AND IT'S WHY I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE TWO PHASES APPROACH THAT WE TOOK TO THIS. UM, WE WERE IMPACTED BY THE SAME SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WERE IMPACTED BY. UM, THE INITIAL ORDER FOR THE FENCE POSTS THAT WERE GONNA BE USED TO, TO FENCE THIS AREA WERE MADE IN JANUARY, AND IT JUST DRUG ON AND, AND THERE WASN'T AVAILABILITY. SO THE INITIAL WORK THAT WAS DONE, UH, WAS ACTUALLY USING SOME OF THE BRANCHES THAT YOU SEE IN THAT AREA TO CREATE THAT BOUNDARY, UM, OUT THERE, UH, LEAVE THE TRAILS OPEN AND THE TRAILS, UH, BE ACCESSIBLE, BUT PREVENT THAT OFF TRAIL TRAVEL THAT WE WERE SEEING THAT WAS, THAT WAS CAUSING SOME OF THE EXCESS DAMAGE IN THE AREA, BUT ALSO SOME, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS IN TERMS OF ROLLOVERS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF THAT WAS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA. SO THIS HAPPENED IN, IN MARCH. UM, WE WERE THEN ABLE TO SECURE, UM, THE NEEDED FENCE POST. UM, THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO BE PURCHASED OUTTA THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND WE HAD TO BUY A COMPLETE 53 FOOT FLATBED, UH, OF THESE POSTS TO GET THEM HERE, UM, AND, AND GET THE ORDER THAT WE NEEDED. UM, BUT THIS IS THE ONE REFERENCE, UH, THAT I MADE THERE ABOUT FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, UM, HELPING SUPPORT, UH, THESE EFFORTS AS WELL. UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, 1500 FEET, UH, OF FENCE WAS, UM, CONSTRUCTED OUT THERE. IN ADDITION TO THE FENCING, THERE WAS SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL WORK IN TERMS OF RIPPING UP, UH, THE AREA AND THEN RECEDING THE AREA SO THAT NEW VEGETATION WOULD GROW, UM, IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS WHERE VEGETATION HAD [01:20:01] BEEN KNOCKED DOWN, UM, AT THAT TIME. SO MATT, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SURE. UM, OF THE 1500 LINEAR RUNNING FEET NOW, AND YOU GAVE THIS PRESENTATION TO MYSELF AND THE FORMER MAYOR MM-HMM. , UH, ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO MM-HMM. , HOW MANY OF THOSE FEET ARE STILL IN PLACE? AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE, THE LAST TIME I WOULD'VE BEEN OUT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN LATE LAST YEAR. EVERYTHING WAS STILL IN PLACE. UM, HADN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH, WITH ANYTHING BEING MOVED OR GOOD SITE OR LOCATED. GOOD. AND THEN, UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, EITHER ON AADE OR I'VE DISCUSSED WITH YOU THE DAMAGE TO THE JUNIPER TREES MM-HMM. , AND HAS ANY OF THIS, UH, UH, FENCE POSTS HELPED WITH THE, UM, DAMAGE AND THE KILLING OF THE, UH, WITH THE DUST ON THE TREES? YEAH. I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO, TO THE JUNIPERS IN THAT AREA, LIKE I REFERENCED, UM, I KNOW THAT THAT SEATING THAT WAS DONE, UM, ON THE, ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT FENCING, UM, DEFINITELY HAD TAKEN REGROWTH AS EARLY AS LAST YEAR. THAT'S NOT JUNIPER, BUT CORRECT. UM, SO I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE JUNIPERS IN THAT AREA. OKAY. AND JUST TO TAKE A STEP FURTHER, IS ANY OF THIS, UH, WHICH IS VERY INCREDIBLE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, ANYTHING BEING DONE AT ALL TO ADDRESS MAYBE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE FOREST, THE DAMAGE TO THE JUNIPER TREES, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE FOREST HAS FINALLY ADMITTED THAT THERE IS MAJOR DAMAGE BEING DONE BY THE DUST. UM, SO SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS HAVE, HAVE DONE AS PARTICULARLY CLOSING OFF, UH, USER CREATED ROUTES THAT ARE AREN'T DESIGNATED ROUTES. UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT PROJECT. THAT'S WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE AS RECENT AS, UH, LATE SEPTEMBER OF, OF LAST YEAR. OKAY. I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. UH, COUNCIL DUNN, YOU HAVE A, A QUESTION. I DO. IT'S ON THE, THE IMAGE THAT YOU SHOW WITH THE DONUT HOLE PROJECT. MM-HMM. , UM, THE BRANCHES THAT YOU SHOW, THERE WERE THOSE CUT FROM LIVE TREES IN ORDER FOR US TO CREATE THAT. SO IN SOME CASES, I WASN'T AT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT I'LL, I'LL REFERENCE ANOTHER PROJECT. UM, THOSE DEFINITELY THE PROJECT THAT I REFERENCED IN TERMS OF THE USER CREATIVE ROUTES THAT WERE CLOSED, UM, YES, THOSE WERE IN SOME CASES CUT, AND THOSE ARE CUT BY THE FOREST SERVICE. THEY HAVE TO BE CUT BY FOREST SERVICE PERSONNEL. UM, THEY'RE NOT CUT BY US. UM, AND THOSE ARE DESIGNATED BY THEM OF, OF WHICH TREES CAN AND CAN'T BE CUT IN COR IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT'S NATIVE TO THE AREA. UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S UP TO THEM HOW THEY, THEY MAKE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR KINSELLA? YES. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS A FOLLOW UP TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION. IF THE FENCING OR THE SIGNAGE WERE DAMAGED OR REMOVED, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO ADDRESS THAT, TO REPLACE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED? SO WE DO, WE DO HAVE SOME POSTS STILL REMAINING FROM THAT INITIAL PURCHASE THAT WAS MADE. SO WE PURPOSELY DID THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK. UM, YOU KNOW, KNOW WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UH, THE, THE COMPANIES HERE AND THE TRAILS, UH, CREW THAT EXIST WITHIN SEVERAL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, THEY'RE OUT ON THE TRAILS LOOKING AT THOSE AS WELL. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS FAIRLY QUICKLY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FURMAN. THANK MAYOR. UH, REFERENCING THE DONUT HOLE PROJECT, UH, DID WE DO A SURVEY BEFORE ANY OF THIS WORK STARTED ABOUT HOW MANY DONUT HOLE AREAS ARE PROBLEMATIC AND HOW MANY HAVE WE ADDRESS, OR, AND HOW ARE THEY DOING TODAY? WHAT'S THE CURRENT COUNT? ARE YOU TRACKING NUMBERS? ARE YOU TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE EFFECT OF YOUR ACTIVITY OUT THERE? SO I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE CONSTANT CHALLENGES WE HAD IS THIS WAS A MAIN, THIS, THIS WAS A KNOWN AREA. YEAH. I THINK MOST PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT THIS AREA VERY, UM, VERY CLEARLY. SO IT WAS A GOAL TO ADDRESS THIS AREA QUICKLY, UM, AND AS COMPREHENSIVELY AS POSSIBLE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE OPEN AREAS THAT DO EXIST OUT THERE, THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT POP UP. UM, AND AGAIN, AS A GROUP, ROCK MEETS ON A REGULAR BASIS AT LEAST USUALLY QUARTERLY. SO WHEN THOSE AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE TO SAY, CAN WE GO AND, AND DO APPROPRIATE WORK AND IDENTIFY THE, YOU KNOW, ONCE THOSE AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED, ADDRESS THE ISSUES TO THOSE AREAS. DO WE KNOW IF WE'RE WINNING OR LOSING? UM, I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK IN TERMS OF ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WE SEE NATIONALLY, UM, NOT NECESSARILY DONUT ISSUES, BUT IT'S OFF TRAIL TRAVEL ISSUES FROM DESIGNATED ROUTES MM-HMM. . YEP. UM, AND I THINK THAT CONTINUED WORK, UM, SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE AND, AND I'LL REFERENCE HERE IN ONE OF THE PROJECTS LATER, I THINK WE ARE MAKING SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A MIX OF BOTH OUR EFFORTS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE THERE AND, AND FOREST SERVICE EFFORTS THAT HAVE TO FIGURE INTO THAT AS WELL. GREAT. [01:25:01] YEAH. ANYTHING YOU GUYS CAN DO TO HELP US KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE STATUS? ARE WE MAKING AN IMPACT? AND YOU KNOW SURE. HOW IT'S, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU SHOW THAT FENCE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A FEW TIMES. AND, UM, IT WAS DONE FOR TWO REASONS. ONE WAS TO PROTECT THAT REALLY DAMAGED ZONE THAT WAS RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THAT FENCING. DO WE HAVE A REPORT ON HOW THAT AREA'S RECOVERING? SO, LIKE I SAID, THE LAST TIME I WOULDA WAS OUT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN LATE LAST YEAR. UM, AND THERE WAS DEFINITELY NEW GROWTH THAT WAS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA. I HAVE NOT BEEN OUT THERE RECENTLY. UM, I WOULD ASSUME WITH THE AMOUNT OF RAIN , UM, THAT'S HAD, THERE'S PROBABLY HELPING WITH, WITH THE GROWTH SITUATION OUT THERE, BUT I, I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT BEEN OUT THERE RECENTLY. AND THEN, UM, NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ADJACENT TO THAT WORM FENCING IS THE STOCK TANK THAT THE RANCHING FAMILY, YOU KNOW, THAT GRAZES THIS LAND RUNS. AND I KNOW I HEARD THEM EXPRESS A CONCERN AT ONE POINT THAT THAT RAIL FENCING MIGHT GET IN THE WAY BETWEEN SURE. MAMAS AND, AND, AND CALVES. AND, UH, AND, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE REALLY USED THIS AREA FOR, UH, GRAZING SINCE THEN, BUT THEY WILL EVENTUALLY. AND IF THAT ENDS UP BEING A PROBLEM, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO THINK ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP MAMAS AND CALVES TOGETHER? AND, UM, UH, UH, AND I THINK A RELATED PROBLEM, POTENTIAL PROBLEM HERE IS, UH, IF ATVS OR OHVS ARE RUNNING DOWN THERE AND THERE IS CATTLE THAT MIGHT BE, UH, AN ATTRACTION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A CONFLICT BETWEEN ANIMALS AND, AND PEOPLE. AND IS THAT THINGS THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO, UH, OPEN TO TALKING TO THE RANCHING FAMILY ABOUT AND THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A MODIFICATION OF THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD? A ABSOLUTELY. UM, AND THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT CAME FROM, FROM THAT FAMILY WAS APPRECIATED. AND WE DID LEAVE SOME OPENINGS, UM, IN THAT, IN THIS FENCE. OH. UM, FOR THAT, THE OTHER FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED WAS RELATED TO THE BALLOON, UM, RENTAL COMPANIES THAT ARE, UH, TAKING PEOPLE UP AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OFF TRAIL TO RETRIEVE THOSE BALLOONS. RIGHT. SO IN SOME CASES, UH, YOU'LL SEE THERE WHERE A, A REBAR PIECE IS BEING INSTALLED, UM, IN THOSE POSTS, THERE'S SEVERAL OF THOSE WHERE THERE IS NO REBAR. SO THAT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF KNOWN BY THE, THE BALLOON COMPANIES AND THEY CAN MAKE THAT MOVE IF THEY NEED TO, TO GET IN THERE TO, TO PULL A BASKET. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MATT. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCILOR FOLTZ, YOU HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, COUNSELOR, UH, FURMAN WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TALKING ABOUT ARE WE MAKING PROGRESS, RIGHT? SO KIND OF METRICS, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, CONFLICT WITH RANCHING. UM, WHAT ABOUT SAFETY? SO ANECDOTALLY, I'VE HEARD THAT THIS AREA AVERAGES ONE ROLLOVER A DAY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S REPORTED ON THAT. AND CLEARLY THE ROLLOVERS ARE A LACK OF SAFE, YOU KNOW, UTILIZATION OF THE VEHICLES. CAN YOU COMMENT AT ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TRACKING THAT AS A ROCK GROUP? IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S ANY PROGRESS BEING MADE? SO ROCK IS NOT TRACKING THAT, BUT WE HAVE MADE THE REQUEST OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, UM, RELATED TO THAT. UM, I KNOW IT'S A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION THAT'S COME UP IN THE GREATER, UH, IN THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE AS WELL. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME INFORMATION, SOME OF IT, UH, RELATES TO WHO ULTIMATELY ANSWERS THAT CALL, UM, WHETHER IT'S SEDONA FIRE, IT'S EMT, IT'S FOREST SERVICE, AND WHAT'S THE CONNECTION IN THAT DATA. RIGHT? BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR SELF-REPORTING BECAUSE JUST CUZ YOU ROLL DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GONNA BE A CALL TO THE PD OR FIRE DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA. RIGHT. I MEAN, SOMETIMES THEY JUST ROLL IT BACK ON ITS WHEELS AND GO SURE. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY PAY THE FINE LATER AND, AND WHATNOT. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. OKAY. YOU GO AHEAD. WE HAVE VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, I'M HOPING THAT MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA WILL PUT IN COMMENT CARDS AND WILL TELL US HOW THEY THINK THINGS ARE GOING BECAUSE WE STILL SEE VIDEOS THAT LOOK THE SAME DAILY. UH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S BECAUSE THIS IS A DIFFERENT AREA, PEOPLE HAVE MOVED TO ANOTHER AREA OR HOW YOU ALIGN ALL OF THAT. YEAH, MY, MY TAKE WOULD BE THAT, UM, AND, AND I'M OBVIOUSLY AWARE OF THOSE VIDEOS AS WELL. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE VIDEOS SPECIFICALLY IN THIS AREA HAS GONE DOWN. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE THERE'S GONNA BE CASES WHERE PEOPLE FIND ANOTHER SPOT TO TRY TO, TO DO SOMETHING. UM, I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, KEY PIECES FROM A SAFETY TO, TO GO BACK TO THE SAFETY PIECE, UM, MANY OF THE RENTAL OUTFITTERS ARE USING A NEW VIDEO, [01:30:01] UM, THAT WAS PRODUCED BY ARIZONA GAME AND FISH. YEAH. UM, THAT IS VERY SAFETY FOCUSED. UM, I, I'VE, I KNOW THAT, LIKE I SAID, MULTIPLE OF THE, OF THE GROUPS ARE USING THAT CUZ I'VE ACTUALLY GONE IN AND WATCHED THOSE, THOSE BE USED. UM, I, I PARTICULARLY LIKE SITUATIONS WHERE THE PERSONS IN THE VEHICLE AND THEY'RE STRAPPED INTO THE VEHICLE AND THEN THE THE SCREEN IS PUT IN FRONT OF 'EM AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF FORCED TO WATCH THAT. UM, BUT THAT WAS AN INITIATIVE. UM, WE HAD A, A VIDEO THAT TREAD LIGHTLY CREATED INITIALLY, UM, BECAUSE WE KNEW THERE WAS GONNA BE A DELAY IN THE VIDEO FROM GAME AND FISH. UM, BUT GAME AND FISH WAS NOW ROLLED OUT THAT VIDEO AND, AND THAT'S BEING USED BY THE RENTAL OUTFITTERS, UH, TO HOPEFULLY AID WITH SOME OF THOSE SAFETY CONCERNS. HAVE YOU SPENT ALL THE MONEY THAT PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN YOU? UM, WE'VE USED QUITE A BIT OF IT AND I'LL, I'LL ACTUALLY GIVE YOU THAT NUMBER AT THE END. OKAY. THANKS. BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, SIR, IN THE SECOND ROW, YOU, I KNOW YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO FILL OUT A, IF YOU'D FILL OUT A CARD, PLEASE WOULD BE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS. UNLESS YOU'RE CONNECTED WITH, UH, THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD. I I DON'T WANT YOUR COMMENTS TO BE MISSED. OKAY, MATT, SO ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE IS, UH, WHERE'S THE USE ON THE TRAILS COMING FROM? UH, IS IT COMING FROM RENTALS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF, OF SEDONA, OUTSIDE OF ARIZONA? UM, SO A AGAIN, TRYING TO, UM, SHORT OF STOPPING INDIVIDUALS AND SAYING, WHERE ARE YOU FROM? I MEAN, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE NUMBERS FROM THE RENTAL OUTFITTERS, BUT PRIVATE USERS THAT MAY BE COMING FROM MULTIPLE AREAS. UM, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A SCIENTIFIC WAY TO TRACK THAT PRESENTLY. UM, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE USERS PARTICULARLY FROM THE VALLEY THAT MAKE THEIR WAY UP TO THE SEDONA AREA. SO, UM, THIS WAS IN INITIATIVE THAT WAS TAKEN, UH, LAST YEAR RIGHT AROUND, UH, SPRING BREAK TIME, UM, TO DO SOME RADIO ADVERTISING IN THE VALLEY. UM, AND HOPEFULLY ADDRESS THAT WITH SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE COMING POTENTIALLY UP HERE IN PRIVATELY HELD UNITS. UM, SO, UH, WE USE A, A RADIO STATION, UM, DOWN IN THAT AREA. WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT, UM, THAT RADIO PERSONALITY UP HERE, UM, AND ACTUALLY TOOK HIM OUT ON THE TRAILS AND, AND TALKED HIM THROUGH THIS IS, THIS IS THE ISSUES WE'RE SEEING, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT AS YOU'RE TALKING ON YOUR MORNING SHOW, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. SPEED, DUST, SAFETY. UM, SO THAT CAMPAIGN RAN, UM, THAT ENTIRE WEEK, UH, OF SPRING BREAK, 2022, UM, TO HOPEFULLY IDENTIFY THOSE CUSTOMERS OR, OR RIDERS THAT WERE COMING UP FROM THE VALLEY, UM, TO THIS AREA TO RECREATE. UM, AND, AND THAT WAS, UH, A SITUATION WHERE ROCK FUNDING PAVED THAT, BUT TREAD LIGHTLY ALSO MADE AN INVESTMENT, UM, IN THAT, UH, TO HELP COVER THAT COST. IS THERE A PLAN TO RUN THAT PROGRAM AGAIN, THE SPRING BREAK OF 23? GOOD QUESTION. MY, I THINK NOW THAT I KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, RELATED TO USE IN THE AREA, UM, I THINK EDUCATIONAL EFFORTS, PARTICULARLY WITH OUR RENTAL CUSTOMERS, THAT'S PROBABLY A BIGGER, UH, AUDIENCE THAN THIS AUDIENCE THAT'S COMING, LET'S SAY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE STATE, UM, TO RIDE IN, IN THE AREA. UM, SO I THINK THE, THE EFFORTS MORE FOCUSED ON THOSE RENTAL CUSTOMERS IS PROBABLY, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER SERVED AT THE PRESENT MOMENT. OKAY. MATT, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE ON, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I HAVE TWO. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME ISSUES THAT I'VE SEEN RECENTLY MM-HMM. , AND I KNOW I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS BEYOND THE CONTROL OF THE GOOD WORK THAT ROCK IS DOING AND TREAD LIGHTLY, BUT I'VE GOT AN AI THAT I PULLED OFF OF FACEBOOK BACK FROM NOVEMBER 17TH OF 22. YOU KNOW, THE AD I'M TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW, EXACTLY. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE A LOCAL BUSINESS HERE? MM-HMM. , WHO'S NOT A MEMBER, I UNDERSTAND OF TREAD LIGHTLY IN THE ROCK GROUP WHO HAS HERE READY TO RIP UP SOME TRAIL, RIP SOME TRAILS AND RIDE WITH US THIS TURKEY DAY. MM-HMM. , WE ARE MM-HMM. . AND THEN WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, UH, THE VICEMAN MENTIONED THAT WE WERE DOWN IN THE STATE CAPITOL, UH, A FEW DAYS AGO AND COMING UP ON 17 JUST CAUGHT THE BACK OF OUR, JUST OUR, OUR QUICK EYESIGHT WAS A, A BILLBOARD, IT WAS AN ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD, I BELIEVE IT WAS A REGULAR BILLBOARD AND IT WAS PROMOTING COMING AND RIPPING UP. MM-HMM. SEDONA, I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S, YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT YOU CAN DO, BUT THIS IS A LOCAL BUSINESS HERE. SURE. HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY CONTACT WITH THIS LOCAL BUSINESS? I MEAN, I, I'D RATHER NOT MENTION THE BUSINESS, BUT YOU KNOW WHO IT IS MM-HMM. , UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH IT? SO SEVERAL, I, I KNOW THAT THERE, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF ROCK MADE AN ATTEMPT TO, TO COMMUNICATE [01:35:01] WITH THAT BUSINESS AND, AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS, UM, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO THAT AD. UM, I ALSO MADE AN OUTREACH TO THE MANUFACTURER THAT'S REFERENCED, UM, IN THAT AD MM-HMM. , THERE'S NO DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE OUTFITTER AND THE, THE MANUFACTURER, BUT I FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THE MANUFACTURER BE AWARE, UH, OF THAT. UM, SO THAT WAS COMMUNICATED DIRECTLY BACK TO THE MANUFACTURER BY MYSELF. IN THE COMPENSATION THAT YOU HAD WITH THE RETAILER OR THE RENTER, WAS THERE ANY MID-GROUND COME THAT, UH, WAS HE OPEN TO COME TO? DID HE, DID THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SITUATION IS? SO I DIDN'T HAVE THAT PER THAT CONVERSATION PERSONALLY. IT WAS, IT WAS TWO MEMBERS OF ROCK, SO I'M, I'M NOT 100%. DID THEY, THEY DIDN'T REPORT BACK TO YOU AT ALL, AT ALL? THEY DID NOT REPORT BACK TO ME OF, OF WHAT THAT CONVERSATION WAS, BUT WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE OF, OF THE CONCERNS RELATED TO IT AND, AND HENCE THE REASON THE OUTREACH WAS MADE. UH, KURT, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ME MENTIONING THE, THE COMPANY THAT IS IN OUR CITY THAT IS PROMOTING, IT'S, IT'S REASONABLY RELATED TO THIS TOPIC, SO YOU CAN MENTION ANY OF THE O OTHER OHV COMPANIES WERE ALREADY MENTIONED, AND SO OKAY. YOU CAN LIST ANY, UH, COMPANY YOU WANT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT SEDONA CAM AIR RENTALS HAS BEEN REALLY PROMOTING EVERYTHING THAT MANY OF THE, UH, THE PEOPLE HERE IN ATTENDANCE AND WHAT THIS ORGANIZATION STANDS FOR, THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE. AND PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT'S IN OUR CITY AND MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE CAN HAVE A A TALK WITH THEM AND, AND WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR AND MAYBE HAVE A CHAT. SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY, MATT, SO ALL YOURS AGAIN. SO SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN USED. THESE WERE, UM, DIGITAL SPEED, UH, SIGNS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE AGAIN LAST YEAR DURING, UM, SPRING BREAK TIME. UM, THESE WERE, ONE WAS ON MORE, UH, BOTH OF THESE WERE ON MORGAN ROAD. ONE WAS PURCHASED, ONE WAS LEASED. UM, PINK JEEP WAS THE ONE THAT HELPED WITH THE, THE COST FOR THOSE. UM, AND, AND THAT AMOUNT IS, UH, IS SEEN THERE. SO THERE WAS THE TWO YOUR SPEED SIGNS, UM, AND THEN THE INFORMATIONAL SIGNS, UM, FOR THE INVESTMENT THAT WAS MADE THERE. UM, AGAIN, BOTH OF THOSE CAME FROM PINK JEEP. OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. COUNCIL, DONE. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, I DO. SO YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, PUTTING ON THE, PUTTING UP RECOMMENDED SPEED, I THINK IS WHAT YOU SAID, SIGNS, AND NOW WE HAVE THESE DIGITAL SIGNS THAT ARE TELLING YOU HOW FAST YOU'RE GOING WITHOUT NECESSARILY TELLING YOU HOW FAST YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING. HOW EFFECTIVE ARE THESE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE? THEY DON'T. THEY'RE JUST MONEY WORTH THAT ARE BEING SPENT BY YOUR ORGANIZATION. SO I, I, I CAN SPEAK, I THINK FOR MOST OF US PERSONALLY, WHEN WE SEE THOSE SIGNS , UM, WE TEND TO REACT TO THEM, WHETHER IT'S OUR INITIAL RESPONSE OF TAKING OUR FOOT OFF THE, THE ACCELERATOR OR, OR TAPPING THE BRAKE. I THINK IN TERMS OF WHETHER THAT HAS CHANGED THE AMOUNT OF, UH, INFRACTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN ON THAT ROAD, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION. UM, THE, THE, JUST TO CLARIFY TOO, HERE, THE DIFFERENCE IS OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE ON, ON CITY ROAD VERSUS FOREST SERVICE ROAD, WHICH PROVIDES US A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ABILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO, TO PUT IN PLACE. SO JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY ON FOREST SERVICE ROADS AROUND SPEED, JUST YOUR SUGGESTIONS. SO THAT IS, THERE IS A SUGGESTION FROM THE FOREST SERVICE IN TERMS OF, OF SPEED AND IT'S REALLY ALMOST A NATIONAL TYPE APPROACH. UM, THE, AND TYPICALLY THAT IS IN A 25 MILE PER HOUR, UM, SPEED RANGE. UM, SO ENFORCEMENT, IF THERE IS ENFORCEMENT OF THAT, IT HAS TO HAPPEN FROM THE FOREST SERVICE STANDPOINT. UM, AND IN TERMS OF HOW FREQUENTLY THERE ARE, THEY ARE WRITING TICKETS OR, OR SUCH FOR SPEED, I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE FOREST SERVICE. THANK YOU. ANY, ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, BACK TO YOU. SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE TRIED TO ADDRESS FAIRLY EARLY ON IN 22 WAS, UH, SOME LEVEL OF IDENTIFICATION THAT IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, IF SOMEBODY SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, HOW DOES, UH, A, A RESIDENT OR A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT? UM, SO WE CREATED THESE FLAGS, UM, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH ROCK, UH, ARE FLYING. I SAW SOME OF THEM TODAY AS, AS I CAME INTO TOWN. WE'VE POSTED ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, WHICH, UH, ORGANIZATION HAS A SPECIFIC COLOR, UM, AND BETWEEN THE COLOR THAT SHOULD HELP IDENTIFYING WHICH [01:40:01] ONE OF THE RENTAL OUTFITTERS THAT UNIT IS FROM. UM, AND USUALLY THERE'S A NUMBER ON THAT RENTAL OUT, UH, AS WELL. SO COMBINATION OF THE FLAG, THE NUMBER, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET, UH, A LITTLE BETTER IDENTIFICATION OF WHO MIGHT BE USING THAT UNIT. UM, AND THAT CALL CAN BE MADE BACK THEN TO THE RENTAL OUTFITTER AND THAT RENTAL OUTFITTER CAN ADDRESS. UM, WHATEVER BEHAVIOR MAY HAVE MAY HAVE NOT BEEN APPROPRIATE WITH THAT RENTER. MATT, I JUST WANNA TELL YOU FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE FLAGS, THEY GET DIRTY REALLY QUICK AND AFTER, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, YOU CAN'T TELL ONE COLOR FROM THE NEXT, BUT IT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT START. I DUNNO HOW ELSE YOU'D, WHAT ELSE YOU WOULD DO? IT'S A GREAT POINT. UM, SO WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN, I GOT A CALL TWO DAYS AGO IF WE NEED SOME REPLACEMENTS. SO WE'RE WORKING ON A NEW MATERIAL, UH, A NEW VINYL MATERIAL, UH, BETWEEN THE, SOMETIMES THE, THE TREES GRABBING THEM AS THEY GO BY. WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE OF A VINYL MATERIAL THAT MIGHT NOT BE IMPACTED AS MUCH AS THAT. UM, BUT ALSO THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE A LITTLE EASIER TO CLEAN AND A LITTLE MORE DURABLE. I THINK IT'S SORT OF LIKE SIMILAR TO THE JUNIPER TREES, THE DUST SORT OF GETS ON THOSE FLAGS AND YOU CAN'T READ 'EM. YEP. THEY CAN'T, THE TREES CAN'T BREATHE AND THE SIGN CAN'T BE BE VISIBLE. SO, OKAY, GO AHEAD. CAN I ASK THE QUESTION? OH, COUNCILOR DUNN, OF COURSE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU SAID WAS, UM, PEOPLE CAN FILE A COMPLAINT, SO TO SPEAK, UM, BACK TO WHOEVER OWNS THE COLOR FLAG AND SUPPOSEDLY A NUMBER, ASSUMING THAT IT'S GOING SLOW ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. UM, WHAT DO THEY DO? SO I, I FILE A COMPLAINT AND WHAT HAPPENS, SO THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO EACH OF THE RENTAL OUTFITTERS OF, OF HOW THEY CHOOSE TO ADDRESS THOSE. UM, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION AND, AND DIFFERENT OUTFITTERS HAVE DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK DIRECTLY FOR ALL OF THEM. UM, BUT THERE IS GPS, UM, ON, ON A LOT OF THESE UNITS. AND THERE IS THE ABILITY THAT IF A, UH, UH, MACHINE WAS IN A CERTAIN AREA AND WE KNOW EVEN AT A MINIMUM WHICH OUTFITTER THAT'S FROM, WE CAN KIND OF ADDRESS, UM, THAT WITH THAT SPECIFIC RENTAL BY KNOWING WHO THAT RENTAL IS. GOOD. OKAY. MATT, I TOLD YOURS. SO, UH, RANCH LOOP PROJECT, AND AGAIN, UH, I'M, I'M WELL AWARE OF VIDEOS THAT HAVE GONE AROUND, AS I'M SURE MOST OF, OF THE COUNCIL IS. SO THIS WAS, UH, AN AREA WHERE WE DID HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OFF TRAIL TRAVEL, UM, AND SOME PEOPLE RIDING AN AREA THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN, UM, THAT WAS ADDRESSED BY, BY A RESIDENT. UM, AND WE, WE DID, UH, ROCK WAS CONTACTED FAIRLY QUICKLY AND WE WENT AND ADDRESSED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS QUICKLY AS WE WERE ABLE TO, TO, TO HOPE, UH, PREVENT ANY OFF TRAIL TRAVEL AGAIN IN THAT ISSUE. AND, AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ROCK VOLUNTEERS THAT WOULDN'T ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. SO THIS IS A, A PIECE WHERE IT WAS KIND OF A, UH, TREAD LIGHTLY ROCK FOREST SERVICE WORKING TOGETHER. SO, UM, EDUCATIONAL MESSAGING ON OUR KIOSK OUT ON THE TRAILS IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UM, SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, UH, OVER A PERIOD OF ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO GRADUALLY REPLACE SOME OF THE SIGNAGE ON THE KIOSK THAT'S OUT THERE. UM, THIS SIGNAGE CARRIES TREAD LIGHTLY MESSAGING THAT TALKS ABOUT THE TREAD PRINCIPLES. IT TALKS ABOUT HOW TO BE RESPECTFUL AND RESPONSIBLE, UH, OUT ON THE TRAIL SYSTEM. UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE TREAD LIGHTLY WENT TO AN INDUSTRY PARTNER. IN THIS CASE IT WAS FORD, UH, THROUGH WHAT IS CALLED THE BRONCO WILD FUND. UH, A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR EVERY FORD BRONCO THAT IS SOLD GOES INTO THE BRONCO WILD FUND. THERE'S FIVE, UH, N G O NONPROFITS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO FUNDING FROM, UH, FROM THAT BRONCO WILD FUND. TREAD LIGHTLY IS ONE OF THOSE. UM, SO WE ACTUALLY REQUESTED FUNDING FROM FORD TO PAY FOR THIS SIGNAGE PROJECT. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENED PRIMARILY OUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF, OF SEDONA. AND IN THIS CASE TOO, WHAT YOU SEE THERE, WE ACTUALLY HAD, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM BRONCO, UM, AND WHAT THEY CALL, UH, THEIR OFF RODEO, WHICH IS THEIR DRIVING SCHOOL EVENT THAT ACTUALLY CAME AND HELPED WITH THAT INSTALL PROCESS. THERE WAS SOME NEW KIOSK FRAMES THAT HAVE POPPED UP AS WELL. UM, SOME OF THOSE WERE RELATED TO SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE DISPERSED CAMPING, UH, REGULATIONS THAT WENT INTO PLACE. SO THERE WAS NEW KIOSKS THAT WERE, UM, BROUGHT INTO PLACE. UH, FOREST SERVICE CAME TO US AND, AND SAID, UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THE FINANCING OF THOSE? UM, I ACTUALLY SAID, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE WENT TO THE, ONE OF THE MANUFACTURERS AND ASKED THE MANUFACTURER TO, TO STEP UP AND BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS AND, AND DO A GIVE BACK THEMSELVES. SO, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE FOREST SERVICE, THE [01:45:01] LAST OF THESE HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, UH, ABOUT A, A WEEK OR TWO AGO. UM, BUT THEY ARE ALL IN PLACE. AND, AND THESE WERE FUNDED THROUGH POLARIS. UH, THIS WAS A SMALL SIGNAGE PROJECT. AND, AND THIS ACTUALLY CAME, UM, AS A SUGGESTION OF MYSELF. I WAS, I WAS UP HERE THE WEEKEND PRIOR TO MEMORIAL DAY AND, AND WAS OUT ON THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND WATCHED A, A USER AT THE TOP OF THE HILL, UM, STOP AND COULDN'T DECIDE WHO HAS RIGHT OF WAY TO GO DOWN THE HILL, RIGHT, WITH SOMEBODY COMING UP THE HILL. UM, UPHILL TRAVEL HAS RIGHT OF WAY, UM, FOR A LOT OF THE SAME REASONS WE HAVE THESE SIGNS. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO STOP MID TRAIL AND THEN HAVE TO ACCELERATE AGAIN. UM, SO, BUT WHAT WAS VERY OBVIOUS WAS THAT PERSON THAT CAME UP THE TRAIL, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY HAD DECIDED NOT TO USE LOW GEAR AND THEY WERE NOT ACTUALLY IN FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, WHICH WAS MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE VEHICLE TO GET UP THE TRAIL. UM, SO WE IDENTIFIED THESE SIGNS. UH, AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF THE WORDING ON THE SIGNAGE AND THE TYPE OF SIGNAGE THAT HAS TO BE USED ON THE FOREST SERVICE, UH, LAND. IT HAS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, REFLECTIVE, IT HAS TO BE HIGHWAY GRADE. SO IN TERMS OF SIGNS THAT EXIST, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT LIMITED. BUT THE IDEA HERE WAS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING A LOW GEAR WHEN YOU'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING THE INCLINE AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UP TOP ARE YIELDING TO, TO UPHILL TRAVEL. UH, THIS WAS THE PROJECT I REFERENCED THAT OCCURRED TOWARDS THE END OF, UH, SEPTEMBER, UM, HEAVILY OUT ON OUTLAW. UM, AND THERE'S, IT'S AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF USER CREATED ROUTES, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED OUT THERE. SO WE HAVE OUR MAIN TRAIL AND YOU'LL SEE THESE INTERWEAVING OTHER TRAILS THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE POPPED UP OUT THERE. UM, SO THAT'S A SITUATION WHERE WE AGAIN, USE BRANCHES AND STUFF TO CLOSE THOSE. UM, WE ALSO PURCHASED THESE SIGNS AT THE REQUEST OF THE FOREST SERVICE AND IN AREAS WHERE WE HAD DONE THOSE CLOSURES OF THOSE USER CREATED ROUTES, UM, ALSO USING THESE SIGNS TO, TO BE VERY OBVIOUS THAT THAT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR A SPECIFIC REASON. YEP. COUNCIL COACHELLA TWO, WHAT ARE THOSE SIGNS? AFFIXED AND HOW VISIBLE ARE THEY? BECAUSE BY THE HAND THEY LOOK A LITTLE SMALL. SO HOW VISIBLE ARE THEY? THEY'RE, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THE SIGN HAS, IS COMES FROM AT THE DIRECTION OF THE FLORIDA SERVICE SERVICE. UM, I'M GUESSING THEY'RE PROBABLY 10 INCHES BY SEVEN EIGHT INCHES. WHAT ARE THEY AFFIXED TO SOMETHING THAT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT OF ELEVATION TO BE VISIBLE OR, OR ARE THEY DOWN TO THE GROUND WHERE THEY COULD BE RUN OVER BY THOSE WHO WANT TO IGNORE THEM? IT DEPENDS ON THE AREA. SO THEY MIGHT BE AFFIXED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, A TREE OR, OR A STUMP THAT'S BEEN PLACED IN THAT AREA. THEY MIGHT BE USED ON A LINE THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, PULLED OVER THAT AREA. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE AREA AND, AND WHAT OPPORTUNITIES TO PLACE THAT SIGN. NOT, NOT, DEFINITELY NOT ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE GROUND. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, BUT ELEVATED, SO THEY'RE VISIBLE. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. THE FAULT YOU WANNA TAG ON, REALLY, IT'S JUST, UH, FOR COUNSELOR ELLA'S BENEFIT THAT, THAT'S A STANDARD SIGN. THE FOREST SERVICE USES LIKE, ON HIKING TRAILS, YOU KNOW, COUNSELOR FERMAN AND I SEE THOSE MOUNTAIN BIKING AND WHATNOT, UH, REGULARLY. SO THAT'S JUST A REPURPOSED AND, AND IT'S BARELY ANY BIGGER THAN THAT. SO, YEAH. BUT THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW IF IT WAS ELEVATED OR SOMETHING. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL, UH, FALSTER QUESTION. WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THAT VISIBLE TO YOU? ARE YOU BIKERS? ARE YOU, IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T, JUST DON'T SEE IT ? OH, IT'S, IT'S VISIBLE AND I DON'T NEED ENCOURAGEMENT TO STAY ON TRAIL IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO, WHICH I KNOW YOU WEREN'T IN INFERRING, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE IN STAYING ON TRAIL TO BEGIN WITH. SO WHEN I SEE THOSE, I'M GLAD TO SEE THOSE. AND THEY'RE USUALLY IN RESPONSE TO PEOPLE GOING OFF TRAIL AND, AND CREATING NEW SOCIAL TRAILS. GREAT. YEAH, THEY'RE USED ALSO, I MEAN, AS A HIKER I SEE THEM HIKING. SO I THINK I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE STANDARD, STANDARD FOREST SERVICE, UM, SIGNS AND, AND I PAY ATTENTION TO THEM, BUT YOU FOLLOW THE RULES. SO THAT'S A LOOK NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED. SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA FOLLOW THE RULES. AND SO YES, YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, MATT. SO, UH, UH, ANOTHER INVESTMENT THAT WAS MADE, UH, LATE LAST YEAR, UM, WAS INTO TRAIL COUNTERS. UM, AND SO THESE WERE PURCHASED BY ROCK. UM, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN INSTALLED BY THE FOREST SERVICE IN VERY SPECIFIC LOCATIONS TO START TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS SOME OF THE VOLUME THAT WE'RE SEEING, UM, IN SPECIFIC AREAS. HMM, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND SO WE'RE, WE HAVE ABOUT SEVEN WEEKS OF DATA SO FAR. SO [01:50:01] IT'S KIND OF INITIAL. AND, UM, I KNOW FROM WORKING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, THE FIRST WEEK WE WERE GETTING SOME REALLY JUST, WE KNEW THERE WERE READINGS THAT WEREN'T MAKING SENSE. UM, SO I THINK THE, THE POSITIVE WITH THE, WITH THIS IS AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE CONTINUE TO GET MORE DATA, UM, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING. UM, THE FOREST SERVICE MADE MOST OF THE DECISIONS ON PLACEMENTS. UM, AND THERE'S SOME DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A PLACEMENT AT THE TRAIL HEAD, UM, AT BROKEN ARROW, AND THERE'S A TR PLACEMENT DOWN THE TRAIL MM-HMM. SO THAT WE'VE GOT SOME OFFSET OF WHAT'S THE ACCESS THAT'S GOING INTO THE STAGING OR PARKING AREA VERSUS THE ACCESS THAT'S REALLY HAPPENING ON THE TRAIL COUNCIL. TER, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE TRAIL COUNTS QUESTION OR IS THAT KEPT? SO THE CLOSE TO THOSE RIGHT NOW, THE, THE FOREST SERVICE IS THE MAIN ONE THAT HAS ACCESS TO THOSE. UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE'S, UH, A WILLINGNESS TO SHARE THOSE. AND I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT ULTIMATELY IS A QUESTION FOR, YOU KNOW, THE FOREST SERVICE SEEMS LIKE AS A MATTER OF TRANSPARENCY AND THE FACT THAT IT'S PUBLIC ENTITY, WE OUGHT TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. SO, UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ASK, UH, THE FOREST RANGER? CAUSE I'M SURE, I KNOW ROB ADAMS IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND HE'S RIGHT BY BROKEN ARROW. I'M SURE HE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION AS WELL, SOME OTHER ACCESS. IS THAT OKAY? THANK YOU. OKAY, MATT, SO THE, THE, THE LAST MAIN INVESTMENT THAT THAT ROCK MADE, UH, WAS FAIRLY LATE LAST YEAR, WAS FOURTH QUARTER OF LAST YEAR, UM, WAS A LARGE INVESTMENT OF $40,000 TO HELP WITH THE HIRING OF TWO NEW, WHAT ARE CALLED GS FIVE S AT THE FOREST SERVICE LEVEL. SO ADDITIONAL TRAIL CREW AND STAFF, AGAIN, BACK TO THAT VISIBILITY, UM, ISSUE THAT I REFERENCED. UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IN SOME CASES, UH, RESOURCES CAN BE CHALLENGING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ROCK, UH, ASK QUITE A FEW TIMES LAST YEAR WAS HOW COULD WE FUND ADDITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE FOREST? UM, AND THERE WAS, WE OFFERED SEVERAL TIMES TO FUND THAT. UM, BECAUSE OF, UH, RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THE FOREST SERVICE, THAT'S NOT QUITE THAT EASY, UM, TO JUST PAY WHETHER IT'S PAID SECURITY OR, UH, OFF-DUTY OFFICERS TO, TO WORK, UM, THOSE LOCATIONS. SO, UH, THESE ADDITIONAL, THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDING GETS THESE TWO PEOPLE, UH, THESE TWO NEW GS FIVE S ON BOARD WITH THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT. THEY WILL BE ASSIGNED, UM, TO THE RED ROCK RANGER, UM, DISTRICT AREA. AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WILL BE PICKED UP BY THE FOREST SERVICE, I BELIEVE, THROUGH AN RTP GRANT FROM THE STATE. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD, COUNSEL WILLIAMSON, BUT THOSE TWO PEOPLE ARE NOT ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S CORRECT, YES. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION. NO, NO, I, I HEARD YOUR REASON AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR, THAT'S ALL. JUST CLARIFY. THANK YOU. YES. AND THE, THE, THE OTHER PIECE ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE'VE ASKED IS IF THEY, IF THERE WAS A HIRE OF NEW IN, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WHAT TYPE OF TIMEFRAME ARE WE LOOKING AT UNTIL THEY'RE ON THE FOREST GROUND? UM, AND USUALLY THAT ANSWER THAT WE'RE GIVEN IS ABOUT A YEAR MINIMUM, UM, FROM THE TIME THAT HIRE IS, UH, MADE TO, WE HAVE A NEW, NEW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON THE FOREST. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOREST SERVICE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. CORRECT. THANK YOU. YES. SO HERE'S KIND OF A, A ROLL UP OF, OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE, THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO I, I'VE KIND OF PUT MATERIALS AND SUPPORT, UM, IN, IN ONE BUCKET THERE OF SIGNS, FENCING, EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS, THE OUTREACH ASSETS, THE, THE VIDEOS, THE ADVERTISING. SO ROCK HAS PUT IN, UM, THOSE HARD COSTS, ABOUT $115,000, UM, IN THE LAST YEAR, UM, TO HELP FUND THOSE. WE'VE, THE VOLUNTEER HOURS THAT I REFERENCED, THERE'S BEEN ALMOST 400 VOLUNTEER HOURS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT, YOU KNOW, OUT UNDER THE TRAIL SYSTEM THROUGH ROCK. UM, THAT NUMBER THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, IS THE, THE FEDERAL NUMBER THAT'S ASSOCIATED TO VOLUNTEER, UM, DOLLARS PER HOUR. UM, SO THAT'S THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU SEE THERE. THEN OUR ORGANIZATION, UM, BETWEEN MYSELF, OUR PROGRAM MANAGER THAT ALSO LIVES HERE IN ARIZONA, OUR COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER, OUR UM, MARKETING DIRECTOR THAT DOES A LOT OF OUR DESIGN, WE'VE PUT ALMOST 400 HOURS INTO ROCK RELATED WORK. UH, THE OTHER PIECE THAT DOES FIGURE IN THERE, UM, WE ARE STILL SUPPORTING THE CHAMBER, UH, WITH BLOGS, UH, SOCIAL POST [01:55:01] AND, AND TREAD LIGHTLY IS DOING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY OURSELVES. UM, THERE'S NO FEE THAT'S BEING CHARGED FOR THAT. UM, WE'RE DOING THAT WORK, UM, WITH THE CHAMBER, PROVIDING THOSE BLOG POSTS, UM, PROVIDING THOSE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS RELATED TO RESPONSIBLE AND, AND RESPECTFUL RECREATION COUNCIL. KINSELLA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND DO YOU FEEL AT THAT FUNDING LEVEL THAT YOU HAVE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE ONGOING NEEDS IN TERMS OF THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, FOR SIGNAGE, FOR FENCING, AND ALSO FOR INCREASING THE PROGRAM? UM, EVENTUALLY? YEAH, I THINK I, I THINK THE FUNDING HAS BEEN FAIRLY SOLID. I MEAN, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN PUT IN. UM, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THERE'S STILL FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE THERE. I, I RECEIVED A REQUEST AS RECENT AS YESTERDAY FROM THE FOREST SERVICE OF SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUR, UH, PURCHASE, UM, AND USE TO MORE CLEARLY IDENTIFY, UM, SOME OF THE TRAILS, PARTICULARLY TRAIL ENTRANCE POINTS, UH, ET CETERA. SO THAT'S OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON THE 26TH. UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'M SURE WE'LL PROBABLY APPROVE. UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WORKING AT A NATIONAL LEVEL FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES, THIS IS SOME OF THE LARGEST INDIVIDUAL FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS THAT I'VE SEEN ANYWHERE. THAT'S COUNCILOR FOLTZ, YOU GOT A QUESTION? HE, HE'S DONE THAT WAY. , DAMNIT. DID IT AGAIN. THANK YOU, FURMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU . UH, JUST A QUESTION ABOUT, SHOULD LOOK AT YOU. SO QUESTION ABOUT BROKEN ARROW, YOU, THE ACTIVITY IN THE BROKEN ARROW AREA, HAS THAT BEEN THE DIGITAL SIGNS AND THEN THE TRAIL COUNTER AS, AS THE TENT AND THE INFORMATION BOOTH AND THAT VISIBILITY ACTIVITY HAPPENED IN BROKEN ARROW AS WELL? I DON'T, I, I HONESTLY CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE WE'VE DONE ALL OF THE LOCATIONS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THE, THE CONCERNS RELATED TO VOLUME. UM, SO WE'VE ALSO TRIED NOT TO ADD TO THAT WITH THE TENTS. SO WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO PUT THE TENTS HAVE BEEN IN AREAS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE MORE OPEN. GREAT, THANK YOU. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'VE USED THE TENTS OUT IN THE AREA ONE TIME. OKAY. I'M GONNA LOOK THIS WAY. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUESTION, ? I DO. I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM THE WAY IT'S ORGANIZED. SO TELL ME WHAT THE ROLE IS OF ROCK THE CHAMBER TREAD LIGHTLY. THE FOREST SERVICE. MM-HMM. HOW, WHERE, WHO MAKES THE DECISIONS ON HOW THE MONEY IS SPENT? DO YOU HAVE A GROUP MEETINGS AND YOU YES. REACH CONSENSUS AND THEN, YEAH, SO WE HAVE GROUP MEETINGS AND, AND WHAT I'LL CALL PROJECT WORK. SO TRAIL RESTORATION WORK, IT MAY COME AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE FOREST SERVICE. IT MAY COME THROUGH A MEMBER OF THE ROCK ORGANIZATION THAT'S SEEN SOMETHING ON THE TRAILS THAT NEED, UH, NEED ADDRESSED. AND THEN, UH, WHETHER WE HAVE A MEETING OR IN SOME CASES THERE'S NOT A FORMAL MEETING. IT MAY BE AN EMAIL FROM ME THAT SAYS, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS AREA THAT NEEDS WORK. THE INVESTMENT FOR THE SIGNS OR THE FENCE POST OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE THAT'S NEEDED IN THAT AREA IS THIS AMOUNT. UM, DO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PART OF ROCK AND ARE CONTRIBUTING FUNDING, DO YOU AGREE TO THAT? WE USE FUNDING TO GO ADDRESS THIS. UM, SO FOREST SERVICE IS INVOLVED IN TERMS OF WE HAVE TO HAVE FOREST SERVICE APPROVAL, UM, TO DO ANY OF THE PROJECTS, OR THEY MAY BE MAKING A SUGGESTION, UH, OR A REQUEST, UM, FOR US TO DO A PURCHASE OR A PROJECT ON THEIR BEHALF. BUT REALLY THE DECISION FOR WHAT'S FUNDED AND THE WORK THAT'S ULTIMATELY BEING DONE IS BEING MADE BY THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING TO, TO TREAD LIGHTLY ON BEHALF OF ROCK. ARE THE MEETINGS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? CAN RESIDENTS ATTEND AND CAN THEY GIVE INPUT? SO WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS COME TO THOSE MEETINGS. UM, IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR'S BEEN TO THOSE MEETINGS, UM, AS WELL. UM, I WOULD SAY YES. MY, MY CHALLENGE WOULD BE THOSE MEETINGS A LOT OF TIMES, BECAUSE THEY'RE ONCE A QUARTER, WE WANT TO REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT WORK NEEDS DONE AND IDENTIFYING THE WORK THAT NEEDS DONE AND HOW DO WE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GO ABOUT THAT? SO, UM, IF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO COME AND LISTEN TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PRIORITY OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON? UM, I, I THINK MOST OF THE ROCK ORGANIZATION WOULD NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. WHEN WE START TO TAKE AWAY FROM OUR ABILITY TO PLAN THE NEXT PROJECTS AND DO THE NEXT WORK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE LIMITED IN OUR TIME THAT WE HAVE TO, TO BE TOGETHER. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE BEING THE BEST STEWARDS OF THAT TIME. AND SO DOES TREAD LIGHTLY, ARE YOU THE PROGRAM MANAGER? DO YOU, ARE YOU YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF SERVING AS THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THAT. PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS IN TERMS OF VOLUNTEER WORK ON THE FOREST TREAD LIGHTLY HAS A NATIONAL, UM, AGREEMENT WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AS WELL AS A BUREAU OF LAND MANAGERS. UM, [02:00:01] SO WE FALL UNDER THE, THE WORK THAT ROCK'S DOING IS FALLING UNDER TREAD LIGHTLY, UM, FOR OUR NATIONAL AGREEMENT, WHICH MAKES IT EASIER TO HAVE, THE VOLUNTEER WORK GETS EASIER FROM AN APPROVAL PROCESS TO GET WORK DONE. UH, IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY A TIMING THING TO MAKE THAT WORK FASTER. ARE YOU USING ANY OF THE FUNDING TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT? SO THE, THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, UH, IS BASICALLY ME , UM, SO I'M THE ONE THAT'S USUALLY COMING UP HERE. UM, SO YES, SOME OF THAT FUNDING DOES, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT MY TIME TO, TO BE HERE OR BE AT MEETINGS, ET CETERA. UM, BUT THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING IS, IS REALLY GOING TO WHAT I WOULD CALL INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE WORK HERE ON THE TRAIL SYSTEMS. I THINK YOU, FROM THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED HERE ON THE DIAS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S NOT OUR FUNDING MM-HMM. , IT'S BUSINESS FUNDING, WE WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN METRICS OF WHAT IS WORKING AND WHAT IS NOT WORKING AND HOW IT, HOW IT'S GOING. UH, SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE CUZ YOU DON'T LIVE LOCALLY, YOU'RE HERE WHAT, ONCE A QUARTER? UM, ONCE DURING THE BUSY TIMES IT'S, IT'S MUCH AS MO A MONTH PROBABLY, OR ONCE EVERY THREE WEEKS. UH, OH, YOU WERE HERE THAT OFTEN? YEAH. OKAY. SO COULD YOU GO CHECK ON THINGS WHILE, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, BUT NOT JUST YEAH, AND I USUALLY, I USUALLY DO, UM, WHEN I'M OUT HERE, UM, I'M, I'M USUALLY OUT OF THE TRAIL SYSTEMS AND AGAIN, I, I DO RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM, FROM MEMBERS OF THE ROCK GROUP AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THAT FEEDBACK OF DO WE NEED TO FIX SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE ALREADY FIXED? UM, YOU KNOW, OR LIKE THE ISSUE WE HAD ON RANCH LOOP, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO GET THAT, UH, ADDRESSED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS WELL. AND, AND SO WHAT IS THE CHAMBER'S ROLE? SO THE CHAMBER WAS, UH, HEAVILY INVOLVED AT THE BEGINNING. UM, THE CHAMBER HAS BECOME, UH, LESS INVOLVED, UH, OVER TIME, I WOULD SAY. UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S MORE OF A, UM, IT, IT'S NOT PER SE ACTIVE, IT'S, THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. I, I DO COMMUNICATE WITH MICHELLE AND, AND PROVIDE HER WITH UPDATES OF WHAT THE GROUP IS DOING. UM, LIKE I REFERENCED, THE ONE PIECE WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS WE DO WORK WITH MICHELLE AND HER TEAM TO HELP WITH RESPONSIBLE, RESPECTFUL EDUCATIONAL MESSAGING RELATED TO, TO OVUS. AND THAT JUST REALLY COMES ON A KIND OF A REQUEST BASIS, UM, FROM HER OR TEAM OF, WE'D LIKE TO DO A BLOG POST THIS MONTH, OR WE'D LIKE TO DO SOME SOCIAL POST RELATED TO THAT. UM, AND WE PROVIDE THAT SHORT, UH, THAT INFORMATION TO THEM. UM, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY, MICHELLE PARTICULARLY IS INVITED, UM, TO ALL OF THE MEETINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND SHE ATTENDS AS, AS SHE'S ABLE TO ATTEND. OKAY. AND, AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, I THOUGHT THERE WAS $400,000 COMMITTED, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? $400,000? I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AS WHAT WAS GONNA BE CONTRIBUTED. SO I, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT SPECIFICALLY. SO THE, THE, I KNOW THAT INITIALLY TOO THERE WAS TALK ABOUT 1% MM-HMM. , UM, AND AGAIN, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM TREAD LIGHTLY STANDPOINT, I, NOBODY'S OBLIGATED , UM, TO GIVE THAT FUNDING. AND, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY DO I KNOW WHETHER IT'S 1% OR 10% OR, OR HALF A PERCENT. I, I DON'T KNOW. UM, WE JUST KEEP THE, THE, THE TRACKING OF THE FUNDING THAT DOES COME IN. UM, IT'S TRACKED SEPARATELY. AND, AND THAT FUNDING STAYS, STAYS HERE, IS IT, IS IT MONTHLY, QUARTERLY? HOW OFTEN DOES IT COME IN? IT DEPENDS ON THE ORGANIZATION. SOME ORGANIZATIONS DO MONTHLY. UM, SOME DO QUARTERLY, SOME HAVE DONE ONCE OR TWICE. IT, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE ORGANIZATION. AND IS IT EXPECTED TO BE ONGOING FUNDING OR IS IT, WAS IT A ONE-TIME DEAL? I I THINK AS LONG AS PEOPLE SEE POSITIVE WORK, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE ROCK GROUP, UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENING, UM, I THINK PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE, CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. UM, MOST OF THE, I THINK MOST OF THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED ARE, ARE CONT CONTINUING TO TRI CONTRIBUTE. I DON'T KNOW OF REALLY ANYONE THAT'S DROPPED OFF, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST 15 MONTHS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND THEN ARE WE DOING PUBLIC FORUM ON THIS? YEAH. DISCUSS. I DON DISCUSSION'S DONE. COMPLETELY DONE WITH THIS PRESENTATION YET. WHAT IS, OH, YOU ARE, YEP. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. UM, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC FORUM. UH, LAST WEEK I WAS DOWN MEETING WITH ONE OF OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES AT THE CAPITOL AND OHVS, UH, AND [02:05:01] STATE LEGISLATION AND PROPOSED STATE LEG LEGISLATION WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR US TO DISCUSS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE TOLD ME, AND HE COULDN'T CONFIRM WHERE HE HEARD THIS, WAS THAT THE OHV MANUFACTURERS ARE LOOKING TO RETOOL, UH, THE OH FEES FOR THE FUTURE TO BE STREET LEGAL, WHICH RIGHT NOW, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN MANUALS, THEY SAY ON, THEY'RE NOT STREET LEGAL, BUT SOME STATES SUCH AS ARIZONA WILL ALLOW THEM ON THE STREETS. DO YOU KNOW, CAN YOU CONFIRM OR DENY ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? SO I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY FOR THE, FOR THE MANUFACTURERS, BUT MY EXPERIENCE FROM WHAT YOU'VE HEARD IN DEALING WITH THE MANUFACTURERS IS THAT THE MANUFACTURERS WOULD PREFER TO NOT HAVE THEIR MACHINES ON THE STREETS. UM, THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THEM WOULD, WOULD STAND ON THAT. UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE AT 28 STATES, UM, CURRENTLY THE CHANGES HERE AND THERE, RIGHT. BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S 28 THAT CURRENTLY, UM, HAVE STREET LEGAL OPTIONS FOR, FOR SIDE-BY-SIDE. INTERESTING. OKAY. WHY DON'T WE OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM NOW. I HAVE THREE CARDS. ANYONE ELSE WHO'S IS INTERESTED IN SPEAKING, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD NOW, UH, FOR THE FIRST SPEAKER IT WOULD BE ROB ADAMS. AND I THINK YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THE RULES NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE I BELIEVE YOU LIVE IN SEDONA SOMEWHERE, BUT, UH, ON DECK WOULD BE MARY LEES MARY. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW EXACTLY. YOU'LL BE ON DECK TO SPEAK, SO I KNOW YOU ALSO KNOW THE RULES. SO EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, MY NAME IS ROB ADAMS. I LIVE IN BROKEN ARROW. AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ALL ON YOUR NEWLY ELECTED POSITIONS. I HOPE IT'S ALL YOU DREAMT IT WOULD BE . UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT EXTRA TIME. I'M REPRESENTING APPROXIMATELY 80 PEOPLE IN BROKEN ARROW. IS THAT POSSIBLE? MAYOR? UH, HOW MUCH EXTRA TIME TO MAYBE TWO MINUTES, MAYBE MAYBE FIVE MINUTES TOTAL. WELL, WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING BEHIND. WE'RE REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE WRAPPING THIS UP BY, BY, UH, SIX 30. SO, UH, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT YEAH. AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES. NO, I, I THINK A TOTAL OF FIVE. OKAY. YOU ARE BEING I DO NOT, I MAY NOT NEED THAT. AND WE'VE ALWA ALREADY WASTED 30 SECONDS. WE HAVE. AND SINCE I DO KNOW THAT YOU DO REPRESENT BROKEN HOUR, GO RIGHT AHEAD. OKAY. UH, FIRST OF ALL, JUST AN OBSERVATION, UH, TREAD LIGHTLY IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS, UH, I, I, I'M CURIOUS IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH, UH, THE MANUFACTURERS ARE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO TREAD LIGHTLY. AND I KNOW HE CAN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, SINCE THEY ARE AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS FOCUSED ON TREADING LIGHTLY IN THE FOREST, IT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHEN YOU HAVE THE MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE MAKING THESE MACHINES THAT ARE CAUSING THE PROBLEM, UM, ACTUALLY BEING, HAVING A LARGE VOICE IN, IN WHAT TREAD LIGHTLY DOES. SO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE ENEMIES, I'M JUST MAKING AN OBSERVATION IN TERMS OF WHETHER THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE. UM, I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I'VE HAD WITH ROCK ALL ALONG FROM THE BEGINNING IS THE FACT THAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE NEVER INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS CONVERSATION. AND I, OBVIOUSLY, THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THESE VEHICLES GO THROUGH, UH, INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE LOCATED CLOSE TO, UH, THESE ROADS ON, ON THE FOREST SERVICE, 5 25 1 52, THEY WERE NEVER INVITED TO PARTICIPATE. THAT THAT SEEMS ODD TO ME. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY. AND I THINK THAT THE REASON THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVITED IS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE, NOT ONLY TO THE FOREST, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING ADJACENT TO THEM. UM, I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT I SEE THIS ORGANIZATION DOING, AND I, I APPLAUD THE ORGANIZATION FOR, FOR GETTING OUT THERE, AND I APPLAUD THE, THE RENTAL COMPANIES FOR PUTTING UP SOME MONEY TO HELP WITH THE RESTORATION EFFORTS. UM, BUT MOST OF THE EFFORTS SEEM TO BE ON RESTORATION VERSUS MITIGATION OR PREVENTION. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE. LET'S STOP THE PROBLEM BEFORE IT EXISTS. UH, SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ROCK LOOKING A LITTLE BIT, LOOKING AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST, FOR EXAMPLE, SINCE UH, ROCK IS, OR, UH, TREAD LIGHTLY IS WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE MANUFACTURERS, IS TO SUGGEST THAT ALL MACHINES THAT ARE MANUFACTURED PUT ON [02:10:01] MUFFLERS THAT REDUCE THE NOISE SIGNIFICANTLY, POSSIBLY EVEN GOVERNORS, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN'T SPEED, UM, GPS TRACKING, UH, FOR THEIR RENTAL COMPANIES SO THAT THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THESE MACHINES ARE AND WHETHER THEY'RE GOING OFF THE ROAD. UM, NO STEREO SYSTEMS IN THEM. THE PROBLEM, THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH THESE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN THE FOREST IS TWOFOLD. NUMBER ONE, UH, THE NOISE FROM THESE MACHINES IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE FOR FOREST USE. UM, MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE FOREST ARE TRYING TO ENJOY THE SERENITY OF THE FOREST ITSELF, AND THE NOISE JUST SUCKS THE AIR OUT OF THAT EXPERIENCE BASICALLY. UM, THE OTHER PROBLEM, I JUST FORGOT, , I'LL, I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER THAT. UM, I, I THINK I HAD ANOTHER OBSERVATION IS THAT A LOT OF THE EFFORTS ARE, ARE FOCUSED OBVIOUSLY ON THE DAMAGE THAT'S HAPPENING TO THE FOREST. UM, I I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN PROBLEM. BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE FOCUSED ON WHAT'S GOING ON TO THE, THE, THE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS THEMSELVES. UH, IN BROKEN ARROW, WE'RE SUBJECTED TO CONSTANT NOISE. WE'RE SUBJECTED TO SPEEDING, RECKLESS DRIVING. UH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFRONTATIONS IN BROKEN ARROW, AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN 'EM WHERE THERE'S ALMOST, UH, PHYSICAL VIOLENCE THAT HAVE HAPPENED. SO I THINK THAT, UH, ROCK NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING ON, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THEM. I THINK, UH, ONE OTHER OBSERVATION THAT I HAVE IS, IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THERE'S BEEN $115,000 THAT ARE SPENT PRIMARILY ON OR ON RESTORATION. I, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE IN MY MIND IS, WHAT IS THE COST OF THE DAMAGE TO THE FOREST ITSELF? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, YIELD MY TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ROB. MARY, YOU'RE UP AND FOLLOW FOLLOWING MARY IS, I THINK IT'S BRIAN LUTZ AND I KNOW WHO THAT IS. SO YOU'RE UP NEXT. MARY CITY, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. HI, MY NAME'S MARY LEE. MY CITY OF RESIDENCE IS SEDONA, ARIZONA, OUT ON KANER MOUNTAIN ESTATE. SO I DRIVE ON DIRT ROADS EVERY DAY, ALL DAY, TRYING TO, TO GET TO AND FROM WORK. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS ONE THING WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, ROB, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE TIMES ON THE EDUCATION PORTIONS AND PIECES THAT ROCK'S BEEN DOING. HAPPY TO GO OVER IT WITH YOU. MOST OF THE RESIDENTS IN TOWN THAT ARE INTERESTED IN ROCK HAVE MY CELL PHONE NUMBER. THEY HAVE NINA'S CELL PHONE NUMBER. THEY HAVE BRIAN'S, THEY HAVE TIM'S, THEY HAVE EVERYBODY'S, THEY FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THE SHOP TO TALK TO US. WE ARE THE ONLY JEEP RENTAL COMPANY, BARLOW JEEP RENTAL THAT IS INVOLVED WITH ROCK. AS SCOTT MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT QUITE JUMPED ON BOARD WITH OUR PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AS BUSINESSES TO CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT WE DO. JUST LIKE THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FOREST SERVICE FOR EVERYBODY'S RESPONSIBILITY, HIKERS, BIKERS, JEEPERS ATVS. I A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS OVER A PRO BROKEN ARROW, A HUNDRED PERCENT RES YOU KNOW, I'M OUT THERE ON THESE TRAILS A LOT. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE I DRIVE DIFFERENT VEHICLES, DIFFERENT JEEPS TRUCKS, AND I DO THAT ON PURPOSE. AS FAR AS SCOTT, YOU WANNA KNOW IF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE ARE HOLDING? YES, THEY ARE. BRIAN CHECKS 'EM CONSTANTLY. NINA'S OUT ON THESE TRAILS CONSTANTLY WHEN SHE'S IN TOWN. WHEN NINA'S NOT IN TOWN, I'M IN TOWN. MATT CAME HERE TODAY TO EXPLAIN THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING THIS TO A NATIONAL LEVEL. HE'S WORKING WITH THE VENDORS OF THESE PLACES AND SAYING, LISTEN, YOUR MACHINES ARE, ARE DAMAGING OUR FORESTS, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO DO SOME THINGS AND WE NEED TO WORK WITH COMMUNITIES AND NOT JUST LOOK AT THE MONEY INVOLVED. OKAY? IS THERE PROBLEMS IN THIS AREA? YEAH, IT'S NOT JUST MOTORIZED USE, OKAY? TOURISM IS HERE TO STAY. BUT AS FAR AS ROCK, ANYBODY CAN COME TO OUR MEETINGS. THEY CAN COME AND THEY CAN LISTEN. THEY CAN TALK TO US. WE PREFER TO TALK TO 'EM ONE-ON-ONE WHEN WE HAVE WET ROADS. AND I KNEW PEOPLE WERE GOING OVER TO BROKEN ARROW MORE. I SENT MY JEEPS ANOTHER DIRECTION, OKAY? THESE GUYS SEND THEIR ATVS AND YOU KNOW, WE SPLIT IT UP. WE TALK AMONGST OURSELVES, THE GAME AND FISH PUT OUT A VIDEO, OKAY. THAT THESE GUYS ARE SHOWING THEIR PEOPLE. I AM THE TREAD LIGHTLY REPRESENTATIVE FOR JEEPS. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE TREAD ENLIGHTENING MY JEEPS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT WANNA MAKE ME ANGRY, OKAY? I KNOW THAT. RIGHT ON. OKAY. WE LOVE SEDONA, YOU [02:15:01] KNOW, AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS. AND YES, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE RESIDENTS ARE ANGRY. I LIVED IN WEST SEDONA UNDERNEATH THE AIRPORT. CURRENTLY I'M ON THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED TO BE MORE INVOLVED WITH THIS. I WILL TAKE ANY ONE OF YOU OUT IN A JEEP ANYTIME YOU WANT, YOU CALL ME AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND THEN I'LL TAKE YOU TO THE NEXT PROJECT, AND THEN I'LL TAKE YOU AND I'LL SAY, HEY, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? BUT WE DO HAVE TO FALL UNDER THE FOREST SERVICE GUIDE, AND NOW WE HAVE A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF HIERARCHY IN THE FOREST FORESTERS, BECAUSE WE JUST LOST SOME PEOPLE THERE. AND IT'S CHANGING. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT TOO. THANK YOU FOR MATT AND TREAD LIGHTLY AND THEIR INFLUENCE, AND THAT THEY CAN HELP THE BUSINESSES THAT REALLY WANNA GET STUFF DONE. NAME ONE OTHER ORGANIZATION IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED. BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TW TEARS. I AM 61 YEARS OLD AND CAN SHOVEL. OKAY, I CAN MOVE BOULDERS. WHERE IS EVERYBODY OUT THERE? I DON'T JUST GO AND COMPLAIN. YOU TELL ME WHERE THERE'S A PROBLEM. I'M OUT THERE PICKING UP GARBAGE. NOW IF YOU GUYS WANNA TALK TO US, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE ANYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBER. THANK YOU. AND I CAN GO, UH, CONCUR WITH THAT. I KNOW MARY FOR A LONG TIME, AND WHAT SHE SAYS IS THE FACTS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, UH, BRIAN, YOU'RE UP NEXT. UH, LET ME SEE, FOLLOWING BRIAN. OH, DEANNA, YOU'RE UP AFTER BRIAN. I'M, UH, BRIAN LUTZ. I LIVE IN SEDONA. UM, I'M MOSTLY GONNA PIGGYBACK ON WHAT SHE SAYS. I'VE BEEN IN SEDONA FOR 18 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN AN OFF-ROAD GUIDE FOR ALL OF THAT. SO I'VE SEEN THE CHANGES IN THE TRAILS. UM, I'M A PROUD MEMBER OF ROCK. I THINK WHAT MATT DOES IS AMAZING, AND WHAT WE DO IS AMAZING. UH, SHE KIND OF COVERED IT, BUT TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM EVERYTHING I SEE OUT THERE, THE WORK WE DO HOLDS, UH, WHICH IS GREAT. UM, I THINK THOSE SIGNS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE SMALL, REALLY HELP. UH, AND I'VE SEEN THAT OUT THERE. UM, THIS IS ANECDOTALLY, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS FOR YOU, BUT THE TRENDING FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IS WE ARE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. MAYBE NOT AS FAST AS WE'D LIKE TO, UH, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY MAKING AN IMPACT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR AHEAD OF THE GAME WE ARE, BUT I THINK WE ARE GETTING THERE. UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. UM, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS I'M SEEING MORE THAN ANYTHING ISN'T THE OFF TRAIL DAMAGE. UH, IT'S DRIVING INAPPROPRIATELY ON THE TRAIL, WHICH ALTHOUGH ANNOYING IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS AND I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, DEANNA. AND THEN, UH, BEHIND DEANNA IS BECKY, BECKY ROSS, DEANNA, YOU KNOW THE DRILL, UH, NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, DEANNA BENLEY, UH, BEAR MOUNTAIN. I HAD NO INTENTION OF SPEAKING, SO I'M SCRIBBLING DOWN NOTES. I'M GOING TO SOUND VERY SCATTERED, BUT I WILL DO MY VERY BEST. UM, CLOSING THE DONUT HOLE WAS AWESOME, AND WE ARE SO MONUMENTALLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. I I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME AND I BELIEVE IT WITH EVERYTHING IN ME THAT PREVENTED A DEATH. WE HADN'T HAD ONE, PRAISE GOD, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WERE VERY FAR FROM THAT, SO, YAY, FANTASTIC. UM, AND YES, I'M FULL TRANSPARENCY. I WILL ALWAYS BE HONEST, WE ARE SEEING SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT THAT AS WELL. GOOD. BUT THIS PROBLEM IS MASSIVE . I AM NOT DISCOUNTING THE IMPROVEMENTS. I'M JUST REMINDING ALL OF US HOW MASSIVE AND IMPORTANT THIS IS AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE, THE DAMAGE TO RESIDENTS. IT'S, IT'S STILL THERE. WE NEED TO STAY FOCUSED AND CONTINUE TO SOLVE THE BIGGER ISSUES, NOISE, DUST, DEAD TREES, AND DISRUPTION OF QUALITY OF LIFE. AND I'M GONNA 100% AGREE WITH ROB, AND I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR A WHILE, E AS WELL. WE HAVE TO STOP THE DAMAGE RATHER THAN ALLOWING IT AND TRYING TO THROW A HUNDRED DOLLARS BILLS ON IT AND FIX IT. YOU CAN'T, YOU CANNOT GO OUT TO THE 1 52 CUN AND SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WITH MONEY. MONEY DOESN'T FIX IT. WE HAVE TO FIX IT FOR REAL. AND THINGS ARE SLOWER RIGHT NOW IN TOWN. I THINK TOURISM IS MORE REASONABLE IN NUMBER COME SPRING. WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK IN THE THICK OF IT. AND IT'S, WE'RE SCARED , WE'RE SCARED EVERY SEASON. UM, SO REALLY, I, MY BIGGEST THING IS LET'S PRIORITIZE PREVENTION ENOUGH WITH THE GRANT MONEY AND THE FUNDS. AND I'M NOT CRITICIZING THOSE THINGS. THANK GOD FOR [02:20:01] THEM. THEY'RE, THEY'RE FANTASTIC. IF WE CAN PUT A HARDCORE FOCUS ON PREVENTION, WE CAN SOLVE THIS THING. THANK, THANK YOU, DEANNA. OKAY, BECKY ROSS, YOU'RE THE FINAL SPEAKER. HI, BECKY ROSS. UM, I LIVE WEST OF SEDONA. UM, I'M DEALING WITH A LOW BLOOD SUGAR ISSUE RIGHT NOW, SO I'M A LITTLE EXTRA SHAKY IN FRONT OF EVERYONE. BUT, UM, I WANTED, I WANTED TO GET UP TO, UM, JUST RIGHT BEFORE THE GREATER SEDONA TOUR THAT WE TOOK OUT THERE, I DID A LITTLE SURVEY. UM, I TOOK MY OHV THAT I HAVE, UM, DOWN OUTLAW DIAMONDBACK AND RANCH LOOP. AND I SNAPPED A PHOTOGRAPH OF EVERY PLACE THAT I FELT FROM MY EXPERIENCE OF LIVING OUT THERE ABOUT 30 YEARS THAT I'VE SEEN A CHANGE IN THAT SPOT. AND I GOT HOME AND COUNTED. UM, AND, AND SO THIS WOULD'VE BEEN AN ABNORMALLY WIDE PART OF THE ROAD BEFORE SERVICE ROAD, THOSE OF THOSE THREE ROADS, UM, BRAIDING WHERE THE ROADS DIVIDE AND, OR, UM, OFF-ROAD USE. AND I GOT HOME AND I COUNTED 347 PHOTOS. SO IN MY UNEDUCATED OPINION OF FOREST MANAGEMENT, UM, I FEEL THAT THERE IS A FEW MORE, A FEW MORE WAYS TO GO. AND MY OTHER BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE DEGRADATION OF THOSE ROADS THAT ARE BEING USED BY OHV. NOT ONLY THE, UM, FOR SERVICE ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN LABELED AS OHV TRAILS, BUT ALSO THE MAIN ROADS THAT RESIDENTS ACCESS. AND THEN, UM, I USE FOR MY BUSINESS AS WELL. SO, THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. THAT WAS WHAT, THANK YOU, BECKY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS. PETE FURMAN, , COUNCIL. FURMAN, I'M LOOKING TO MY LEFT, SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I JUST REALLY WANNA START BY SAYING HUNDRED $15,000 SPENT IS NOT NOTHING. THANK YOU. UH, 400 HOURS OF VOLUNTEER HOURS IS NOT NOTHING. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO GIVE US A PROGRESS UPDATE. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR NEXT VISIT AND, UH, UH, PERHAPS WITH SOME ADDITIONAL WAYS OF DEMONSTRATING RATHER THAN JUST ANECDOTALLY PROGRESS THAT BEING MADE. BUT THIS IS A GREAT START. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. UM, BUT I, I DON'T WANT IT. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE FIRST WORDS HERE IN THE COMMENT SECTION WERE, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING, ANYBODY THIS SIDE? OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, SO MR. CALDWELL, THANKS FOR COMING TONIGHT. UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU KNEW YOU WERE GONNA BE, UH, ON THE HOT SEAT FOR A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS. UM, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH OUR CITY VIA ROCK. IT, IT, IT MATTERS AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. ALSO, MOST OF THE AUDIENCE, I THINK IS, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE, THE OH B, UH, INDUSTRY HERE, OR ARE, UH, INTERESTED IN THE TOPIC THIS EVENING. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND, YOU KNOW, EXPRESSING YOUR INTEREST AND, AND SUPPORT FOR WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, I, I DO HAVE A FEW, UH, COMMENTS THAT I WANT TO SHARE. SO, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT POLARIS IN PARTICULAR. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, A FEW STEEL FRAME SIGNS ISN'T GONNA BE ENOUGH TO REHABILITATE THEIR IMAGE. UH, YOU KNOW, IN OUR TOWN RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THE, UH, SUNSET MAGAZINE ADVERTORIAL THAT THEY FUNDED LAST YEAR, THAT NAMED SEDONA, THE NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, ATV RIP IT UP LOCATION, AND EVEN THOUGH THE PHOTO THEY SHOWED DIDN'T SHOW A DRIVER RIPPING IT UP IN SEDONA, AS YOU WENT DOWN THE LIST, THERE WERE APPALLING PHOTOS OF RIPPING IT UP. AND SO IT CERTAINLY CONVEYED THE IMAGE THAT IF YOU CAN DO IT IN INDIANA, YOU CAN DO IT IN ARIZONA TOO. SO I THINK THEY HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. UM, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO, UH, ONE OF THE FOLKS HERE TONIGHT THAT, UH, RUNS ONE OF THE, UH, OHP RENTAL COMPANIES. AND WE TALKED ABOUT POLARIS AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, GEE, WE NEED MUFFLERS AND GOVERNORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THE ANSWER WAS, WELL, WE REALLY CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE POLARIS IS SWAPPING OUT OUR VEHICLES SO FREQUENTLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE JUST CAN'T DO IT, RIGHT? SO IT, IT JUST MAKES IT FEEL LIKE WE ARE A TEST TRACK FOR POLARIS. COME HERE, TRY ONE OUT, RIP IT UP, HAVE FUN, GO HOME AND BUY ONE WHEREVER HOME IS. SO, UM, THEY NEED TO BE MORE PART OF THE SOLUTION THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IS PERCEIVED AROUND HERE RIGHT NOW. AS FAR AS LIKE SOME OF THE MITIGATION GOES, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT, UH, THE, THE DONUTS AND, OKAY, SO THE DONUT HOLE'S BEEN CLOSED OFF, AND THAT'S AWESOME, JUST LIKE [02:25:01] DEANNA SAID. UH, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, SHE'S ALSO SHARED VIDEOS THAT SHOW, OKAY, THE DONUT HOLES CLOSED, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA DO DONUTS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 1 52 C, RIGHT? SO I, IT WE'RE JUST SQUEEZING A BALLOON AND THE PROBLEM'S BUSTING OUT SOME OTHER DIRECTION. SO I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE SIGNS THAT THE FOREST SERVICE IS SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU PUT ONE HERE, PUT ONE THERE, ET CETERA. HOW ABOUT SOMETHING TO SAY NO DONUTS? YOU KNOW? AND AS SOON AS YOU SEE A, YOU KNOW, ANY INKLING THAT A DONUT'S BEEN DONE, GET A SIGN UP THAT SAYS NO DOG ON DONUTS, RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE ANALOGY, LIKE IN THE BIG CITY, WHEN YOU SEE GRAFFITI, YOU GOTTA SPRAY PAINT OVER IT RIGHT AWAY SO THAT THE ARTISTS GET THE IDEA THAT IT'S NOT OKAY AND IT'S NOT GONNA STICK AROUND. SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT, UM, TO ALL THE OHV COMPANIES, YOU KNOW? THANK YOU. ALSO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NOT FOR NOTHING AS COUNSELOR VERMAN SAID, UH, THE MONEY, THE TIME, ET CETERA. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT. AND NOW WE NEED MORE, WE NEED MORE TIME FROM YOU ALL TO BE OUT, BASICALLY SELF-POLICING. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, AND 400 HOURS, AGAIN, NOT FOR NOTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST PLAYING AROUND SAYING, OKAY, WELL WHAT IF WE PICKED FIVE TROUBLE SPOTS, YOU KNOW, BROKEN ARROW, FOUR PLACES ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN AND HAD SOMEBODY OUT THERE EIGHT HOURS FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY EACH WEEK, THAT WOULD TAKE 6,240 VOLUNTEER HOURS COMPARED TO THE 400, YOU KNOW, SO FAR. SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU. WE NEED MORE. WE NEED YOU TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. YOU KNOW, PREVENTION IS KEY, AND YOU KNOW, SIGNS ARE GONNA HELP, BUT SOMEBODY OUT THERE, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AUTHORITY TO TICKET OR STOP OR WHATEVER, BUT JUST ANY KIND OF PRESENCE THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, CAN ABSOLUTELY HELP. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY, UH, THAT'S TALKED ON THIS OR THAT'S HERE SUPPORTING THE TOPIC TONIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, VICE MAYOR, DO YOU WANNA GO? OKAY, ALYSSA, THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU. YOU ARE IN THE HOT SEAT. UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, I KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM. I'VE BEEN UP TO YOUR WEBSITE, SO I'VE READ ALL THAT STUFF. UM, I KNOW MARY FROM THE AIRPORT, I AM AWARE OF ROCK. UM, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS WERE REALLY TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHERE ARE OUR GAPS, WHICH BRIAN THEN HAS VERY ABLELY ADDRESSED, UM, TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR GAPS ARE, IS TO HELP US FIGURE OUT ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH YOUR ORGANIZATION, MAYBE WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, MAYBE THROUGH US, THERE'S JUST, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO ONCE WE UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS OR WHERE WE HAVE DEFICIENCIES. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR, UM, ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. OKAY, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I TOO, NINA, MARY, BRIAN, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO DIDN'T SPEAK, UH, WHO'S INVOLVED WITH ROCK? THANK YOU. I THINK WE COULD UP THIS GAME. WE ARE KNOWN IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR BEING A VERY STRONG VOL, HAVE A VERY STRONG VOLUNTEER ETHIC. MM-HMM. , I THINK IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD REACH OUT TO THE SERVICE GROUPS, KIWANIS, ROTARY LIONS, THEY LOOK FOR PROJECTS, UH, THEY LIKE OUTDOOR PROJECTS. CLEANING UP THE FOREST IS ONE. NO, SERIOUSLY IS A PROJECT THAT OH, IT SEDONA WOMEN, A LOT OF GROUPS ARE INVOLVED WITH. SO HELPING HERE, I, I THINK YOU'D GET A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS. SO MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS OPEN THIS UP. YOU KNOW, BRING IN THE RESIDENTS, BRING IN THE, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE IMPACTED, BUT OTHER RESIDENTS. THIS IS A BIG ISSUE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK YOU'D GET A LOT OF SUPPORT AND YOU COULD INCREASE THE, THE VOLUNTEER ASPECTS AS WELL AS VOLUNTEER, WHICH WE'VE ASKED THE CHAMBER TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM. THIS IS PERFECT PROGRAM FOR VOLUNTEER. MM-HMM. , YOU COME HERE, HELP US. THAT'S TREADING LIGHTLY AND PUTTING IN SOME SWEAT EQUITY TOO. MM-HMM. . SO THAT WOULD BE A SUGGESTION THAT I WOULD MAKE AS A WAY TO REALLY ENHANCE WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING AND, AND IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. SO THANK YOU COUNCILOR KINSELLA. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE IMPACTED BY THIS WERE AWARE AND WE'RE AT THE LAST YEAR'S, UH, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET PRIORITIES RETREAT. AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE REVIEWING THAT AT THE UPCOMING RETREAT NEXT WEEK FOR WHERE WE STOOD ON THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY AND THE ASSESSMENT GOING FORWARD FROM THERE. SO THIS IS STILL A VERY MUCH [02:30:01] ALIVE TOPIC FOR THIS COUNCIL. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GOT OUT THERE AND, AND STATED FOR ALL OF YOU THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SO IMPACTED BY THIS. SO THANK YOU FOR PAYING ATTENTION, BEING A PART. THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORTS. I AGREE THIS WAS A GREAT START. I APPLAUD, APPLAUD THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE A PART OF IT. UM, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT PART OF IT. UM, I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. I'M GRATEFUL TO THE MAYOR FOR MAKING THAT DISTINCTION BEFORE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT COMMUNITY IS ABOUT, RIGHT? GETTING INVOLVED AT THAT LEVEL AND SAYING, GEE, WE NEED TO FACE THIS TOGETHER, WHETHER WE'RE THE IMPACTED OR PART OF THE INDUSTRY, OR IT'S US ALL COMING TOGETHER TO WORK ON IT. AND THIS CITY COUNCIL'S PART OF WORKING ON IT CONTINUES AS WELL. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS KNOWN OUT THERE TOO. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO FINISH UP. OH, JESSICA, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, GO RIGHT AHEAD. YEAH, I, I, I WAS IMPRESSED BY WHAT TREAD LIGHTLY ACTUALLY DOES. I HAD AN IMPRESSION THAT TREAD LIGHTLY WAS JUST A, A NICE LITTLE FOOTPRINT THAT WAS ON TOP OF THINGS AND, UH, DIDN'T REALLY DO MUCH, BUT I'M VERY IMPRESSED BY, BY THE, THE PROFESSIONALISM AND EXPERTISE THAT YOU BRING, UM, AND TO THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED. I THINK IT'S VERY, I THINK IT'S VERY HEARTENING. UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, I KNOW THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD JUST AS ASSUME Y'ALL JUST WENT AWAY, . AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PREVENTION, PREVENTION IS NOT HAVING ANY OFF-ROAD VEHICLES AT ALL. AND SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, I THINK WE HAVE TO LIVE IN A REALITY WORLD, AND I THINK WE DO HAVE TO PUSH, WE DO HAVE TO ASK FOR MORE, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GET SOMETHING, WHATEVER CAN BE DONE IS A GOOD THING. AND SO, UM, WELCOME TO CAPITALISM. POLARIS DOESN'T WANT . POLARIS IS LIKE ALL COMPANIES. YOU GIVE A LITTLE MONEY ON THE SIDE SO YOU CAN MAKE BIG, BIG BUCKS ON, ON YOUR, ON YOUR PRODUCT. AND THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. UM, IT CAN CHANGE OVER TIME, I GUESS, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF HOPE. I HAVE A LOT OF HOPE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOPE OTHERWISE IN, IN LEGISLATION IN THE STATE, SEEING THE RIGHTNESS OF CERTAIN, OF CERTAIN ASPECTS. SO WHAT THE FOREST SERVICE DOES, THE FOREST SERVICE DOES. UM, AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS WHAT CAN BE DONE AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE. AND I'M VERY THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO WHAT CAN BE DONE, AND YOU'RE DOING THAT. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO FINISH UP NOW AND, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING. I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE SEEN THE PRESENTATION, AND I'M SAYING TO MYSELF, MORE CAN BE DONE. BUT WHERE WOULD WE BE? WHERE WOULD WE BE WITHOUT YOUR HELP? IT'S JUST A BIGGER QUESTION. I ASKED MYSELF, WHERE WOULD WE BE WITHOUT, UH, BALO TOURS? WHERE WOULD WE BE WITHOUT BECKY AND DEANNA DOING THEIR PART? SO I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FROM, AND COMPLIMENT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS NOW. THANK YOU. AND, AND GO ALONG AND, AND THANK YOU AGAIN. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HELP YOU MYSELF, IF I CAN HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP BETWEEN YOU AND KIWANIS, YOU AND THOSE VOLUNTEER GROUPS THAT THE VICE MAYOR MENTIONED. I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT FOR YOU, AND I SINCERELY MEAN THAT. SO MARY KNOWS HOW TO GET IN TOUCH WITH ME. BECKY AND DEANNA KNOW HOW TO GET IN TOUCH WITH ME. I THINK YOU HAVE MY CARD FROM THE LAST MEETING. I SINCERELY WANT TO HELP YOU TO BRIDGE THOSE GAPS IN ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE COULD DO TO CONTINUE THIS, UH, PLAN THAT YOU'RE DOING. I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SEDONA CANAM RENTALS, WHO IS NOT PART OF THE GROUP, WHY? BUT I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S A SHAME. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANY OTHER OWNERS HERE THAT CARE ABOUT SEDONA. YEAH. THEY HAVE A PRODUCT WE'RE NOT THRILLED ABOUT, AND I GET THAT. BUT THEY'RE ALL HERE LEGALLY AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR SHARE TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEMS THAT THEIR PRODUCTS ARE CAUSING. AND THAT'S A VERY ADMIRABLE, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY, WELL, MANY OTHERS STEPPING UP AND DOING THE SAME. SO I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MY HELP TO YOU CALL ME, UH, AND I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT I CAN. MAYOR, CAN I HELP WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, CAN I JUST HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE? ONE MORE MINUTE? YEAH, GO FOR IT. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, ROCK WORKS BECAUSE ROCK [02:35:01] IS THE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO GET TOGETHER, WHO GIVE THE MONEY AND DO THE WORK, AND THEY'RE NOT BOTHERED BY OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN TELLING THEM WHAT THEY THINK THEY SHOULD BE DOING, AND COMPLAINING ABOUT OT VS. AND DOING ALL THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT DON'T, THAT DON'T GET THE WORK DONE. AND SO, I I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO THINKS YOU OUGHT TO WIDEN IT UP AND LISTEN TO A WHOLE BUNCH MORE PEOPLE. I THINK THAT WHAT YOU DO, YOU DO WELL, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER GROUP THAT'LL DO THE SAME THING AND WANTS TO HAVE EVERYBODY ELSE SORT OF BE A PART OF IT, THAT'S FINE. UM, BUT I, I WOULD URGE YOU TO STICK WITH THE METHOD YOU HAVE BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF IT NO LONGER IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT THE COMPANIES WANT TO BE PART OF, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT'S GONNA GO AWAY. SO I, I AM, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER YOU DO KEEPS THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR GROUP TOGETHER, FOCUSED ON RAISING MONEY AND DOING THE WORK. THANK YOU. SORRY, MAYOR. NO, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, MATT, THANK YOU AGAIN. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR NEXT REPORT. I'M, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE HAVE AGENDA [8.c. AB 2909 Presentation/discussion from Sedona Red Rock High School Students regarding their Civic Action Projects.] ITEM AB 29 0 9, WHICH IS GOING TO BE CANCELED DUE TO, UH, THE PARTICIPANTS NOT BEING ABLE TO SHOW THAT'S, UH, THE RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL, JUST STUDENTS THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO COME TODAY, UH, WERE UNABLE TO MAKE IT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL BE TAKING A BREAK. WE'LL SEE EACH OTHER BACK IN 20, 20 MINUTES. THANK YOU. JUST WANT TO STAND. OKAY. THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. [8.d. AB 2898 Discussion/possible action to approve the site selection for the permanent Sedona Loop Disc Golf Course at Posse Grounds Park.] AB 28 98 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE SITE SELECTION FOR THE PERMANENT SEDONA LOOP DISC GOLF COURSE AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK. AND DAWN, ARE YOU, WILL YOU OR ANDY BE PRESENTING? I AM STARTING THE PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S DO SOME FUN TALKING NOW. LET'S TALK DISC GOLF. YAY. IT'S EXCITING. OKAY. UM, SO DISC GOLF, THERE ARE OVER 11,000 DISC GOLF COURSES AROUND THE WORLD. 60% OF THOSE COURSES ARE MULTIPURPOSE PUBLIC PARKS. 91 OF DISC GOLF COURSES ARE FREE TO PLAY. AND THERE ARE 190 DISC GOLF COURSES ACROSS OUR STREET, ACROSS OUR STATE. WHAT IS SO ENTICING ABOUT THE SPORT IS THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE. INDIVIDUALS CAN PLAY THE SPORT, PAY AROUND 15 TO $20 FOR A DISC AND USE THAT DISC FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. IN ADDITION, IT GETS THEM OUTDOORS INTO THE PARKS EXERCISING WITHOUT REALIZING THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING AN ACTIVITY WHILE THEY'RE HAVING FUN. SO ONE OF THE, UM, GREAT THINGS ALSO ABOUT GI DISC GOLF IS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. THE COST TO INSTALL A COURSE IS VERY MINIMAL, AND THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP IS MINIMAL. IT'S ONE OF THE WORLD'S FASTEST GROWING SPORTS, AND THE PANDEMIC EXPEDITED THAT AS WELL. AND THE NEAREST COURTS COURSES THAT WE HAVE ARE IN COTTONWOOD AT THE RIVERFRONT PARK. THEY HAVE AN 18 HOLE DISC GOLF COURSE THAT IS THE HIGHEST USE AMENITY IN THE PARK. AND THEN IN FLAGSTAFF, THEY ARE HOME TO SEVEN PUBLIC COURSES AND HAVE WOW, SEVERAL PRIVATE COURSES AS WELL. , THE BIG THING ABOUT IT IS THAT THIS YEAR IN JULY, FLAGSTAFF IS HOSTING THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP DISC GOLF COMPETITION. SO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR MANY YEARS TO CONSIDER INSTALLING A DISC GOLF COURSE IN SEDONA DUE TO THE LACK OF COURSES IN THE AREA. OUR NEAREST COURSES, AS I MENTIONED, ARE FLAGSTAFF IN COTTONWOOD, ONE OF THE MOST COMMON REQUESTS IN NEW PARK AMENITIES THAT WE'VE HERE ALONGSIDE PICKLEBALL. PICKLEBALL, OF COURSE, IS OUR NUMBER ONE REQUESTED, BUT DISC GOLF IS RIGHT UNDER IT. SO IT IS TO ASSESS AND GARNER THE SUPPORT FOR THE AMENITY. WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS, IN DECEMBER OF 21, WE STARTED DECEMBER DISC GOLF DAYS. WE SET UP A TEMPORARY DISC GOLF COURSE ON THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. WE HAD FIVE BASKETS OUT THERE. WE ENCOURAGED USERS TO REGISTER ON SPORTS SITES, OUR, UM, ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM TO TRY TO TRACK DATA. SO THAT WAY WE HAD SOME USAGE TO REPORT TO SUPPORT THE ENDEAVOR, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH WE HEAR DAY TO DAY THAT WE NEED SOMETHING, WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S REALITY. AND ALTHOUGH PEOPLE EXPRESS IT, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO GET USED. SO WHAT [02:40:01] WE SAW, UM, SO WE HAD THEM REGISTERING ON SPORTS SITES AND THEN ALSO WE ENCOURAGED THEM TO USE U DISK AND REGISTER ON U DISK CHECK IN. THAT WASN'T REQUIRED TO PLAY, BUT WE, WE ENCOURAGED IT SO THAT WAY WE COULD TRACK, UM, FOR THE U DISK. U DISK IS AN ALL-IN-ONE APP. WHAT IT DOES IS IT PROVIDES COURSE INFORMATION MAPS. GOLFERS CAN ACTUALLY REGISTER THEIR, THEIR POINTS AND KEEP TRACK OF WHILE THEY PLAY, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES THE COURSE, THE DATA THAT THEY NEED AS THEY CHECK IN, YOU KNOW, WHO THE USER IS, WHERE THEY'RE FROM, AND HOW OFTEN THEY USE THE COURSE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UDIS STATES IS THAT AS A NEW COMMUNITY, YOUR NUMBERS, YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY FIVE TIMES MORE. BECAUSE IN A NEW COMMUNITY, PEOPLE DON'T TEND TO USE THE APP. SO AFTER WE DID DECEMBER DISC GOLF DAYS, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 37 REGISTRANTS VISIT THE COURSE. AND YOU JUST RECORDED 90 ROUNDS OF PLAY PARKS AND REC WAS HOUSED AT POSSE GROUNDS AT THAT TIME. AND OUR OFFICE OVERLOOKED THOSE FIELDS. AND WE CAN SAY THAT THOSE NUMBERS DO NOT REFLECT WHAT WE VISUALLY SAW DAY TO DAY. WE SAW CONTINUOUS USAGE OF THOSE FIELDS THROUGH THE DAY ON DISC GOLF. OUR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WAS OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE FOR PUSHING FOR PERMANENT COURSE. AND THE PROGRAM OUTCOME WAS A SUCCESS AND CONFIRMED PURSUING ASSESSMENT FOR THE AMENITY. SO WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS WHEN DETERMINING A LOCATION TO INSTALL A COURSE? FIRST, YOU HAVE SPACE. YOU NEED A VAST AMOUNT OF SPACE, OF COURSE, UM, SHARED USE. YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE A LOCATION THAT ALLOWS MULTIPLE USES THAT DON'T CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER. HAZARDS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT A FIELD, OR EXCUSE ME, A COURSE THAT IS BORING IN AN OPEN FIELD TO WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CHALLENGES. YOU WANT SOME EXCITEMENT, SOME, SOME CHALLENGES INTRODUCED AT THE SITE. YOU IDEALLY WANT A SITE THAT HAS ESTABLISHED USE TRAILS USE AND TRAILS TO MITIGATE IMPACT ON THE NATURAL LANDS VIEW. YOU WANT A VIEW THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE OVERALL PLAYERS' EXPERIENCE AND THEN ACCESS PROXIMITY TO PARKING IS BENEFICIAL ALONG WITH OTHER AMENITIES. SO IN REVIEW OF OUR PARK INVENTORY, WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE VERY LIMITED IN OUR CHOICES. AND HERE'S A MAP SHOWING AND THERE'S ONE BLARING PARK THAT STANDS OUT AND THAT IS POSSE GROUNDS PARK. SO POSSE GROUNDS PARK IS A COMMUNITY PARK. IT'S OPEN SUNRISE TO 10:00 PM SOME AMENITIES ARE DAN HOME. IT'S ALMOST 80 ACRES THAT IS DESIGNATED AS PARK USE. OF THE 80 ACRES THAT WE HAVE, APPROXIMATELY 50% IS UNDEVELOPED AND AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE PARK AMENITIES. OUR CHALLENGES, OF COURSE, ARE THE TERRAIN, THE ROCK SHELF, UM, WHICH ADDS LIMITATIONS TO WHAT USES WE CAN INSTALL AT THE PARK. SO ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THOSE CHALLENGES, IT'S ACTUALLY A PERFECT FIT FOR DISC GOLF. UM, THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION NEEDED OR ALTERING TO NATURAL LAND TO INSTALL A COURSE. SO THIS THEN LED TO OUR NEXT PHASE OF ASSESSMENT, A TEMPORARY COURSE. YES. AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT THE TEMPORARY COURSE. SO I'M JOSH FRUIN, PARKS AND RECREATION SUPERVISOR FOR AQUATICS AND RECREATION, UM, FOR THE TEMPORARY COURSE. SO AFTER WE DID DECEMBER DISC GOLF DAYS, AS DON WAS STATING EARLIER, WE HAD LOTS OF FEEDBACK, POSITIVE FEEDBACK OF PEOPLE SAYING LIKE, WHAT'S NEXT? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO KEEP THIS MOMENTUM GOING? SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THE SIX BASKETS, WE TOOK THE FIVE EXISTING FROM DECEMBER DISC GOLF DAYS AND PURCHASED ONE ADDITIONAL AND PUT THEM IN THE SPACE IN POSSE GROUNDS PARK NORTH OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY POOL, UM, ON THE SEDONA LOOP TRAIL THERE. SO THAT WAS INSTALLED IN JANUARY, 2022. AND THAT'S A SIX HOLE COURSE THAT WE WORKED WITH SOME LOCAL DISC GOLF PROS THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT AS WELL. UM, AS WELL AS TWO FOREST SERVICE, UM, EMPLOYEES WITH COCONINO COUNTY FOREST SERVICE, ONE OF WHICH WORKS AT THE FORT TUT HILL DISK GOLF COURSE. SO WITH HIS EXPERIENCE TO HELP LAY OUT THIS COURSE HERE, UM, AND MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WOULD COME FROM IT TOO. SO WE HAD LOTS OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK WITH THIS AMONG A FEW COMPLAINTS, UM, MAINLY FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVED ALONG THE WEST EDGE THERE, UM, THAT WE THEN ADDRESSED IN A WORK GROUP THAT WE'LL DISCUSS IN A MINUTE. BUT WITH THAT, WE MOVED THE COURSE UP THERE, WORKED WITH THE SEDONA PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO PLACE THE SIGNAGE BETWEEN HOLES, MAINLY TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE ON THE TRAIL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, THE CREATION OF SOCIAL TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS PEOPLE PLAY AND USE THOSE OPEN SPACES FOR THOSE HOLES, UM, JUST TO CREATE A NATURAL FLOW IN A CIRCULAR PATTERN THERE [02:45:01] IN THAT AREA. ALRIGHT, SO FOR THE STATS AND DATA, WE ARE APPROACHING OUR ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF MOVING IT UP THERE. SO WE MOVED THE COURSE UP THERE ON JANUARY 17TH, 2022. AND THIS DATA IS THROUGH DECEMBER 26TH. SO THROUGH U DISK WE'VE HAD 1,291 ROUNDS RECORDED AND 418 UNIQUE USERS. SO INDIVIDUAL USERS AT LEAST 418. AND LIKE DAWN STATED EARLIER, UDI ESTIMATES THAT IT'S FIVE TIMES THAT THAT'S THE ACTUAL NUMBER THAT ARE PLAYING. UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST GO UP WITH THEIR KIDS AND JUST WANT TO THROW SOME DISKS AROUND AND PLAY, NOT NECESSARILY DOWNLOAD THE APP AND KEEP SCORE AND MAKE IT COMPETITIVE LIKE THAT THROUGH UDIS. YOU CAN ALSO RATE THE COURSES SO OTHERS KNOW WHETHER THEY WANT TO GO AND PLAY IT OR NOT. AND WE ARE CURRENTLY RATED A 4.205 AND I'LL NOTE WITH THAT AS WELL. UM, ALMOST EVERY NEGATIVE REVIEW ON THERE IS BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A SIX HOLE COURSE AND A TEMPORARY COURSE WITH A-FRAME SIGNAGE, NOT LIKE A PERMANENT NINE OR 18 HOLE COURSE. UM, FOR THAT WE'VE HAD NO INCIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO DATE WITH ANY, YES, I'M SORRY, YOU ARE GONNA FINISH THIS SENTENCE CAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT INCIDENTS IT IS. SO THERE'S BEEN NO ACCIDENTS OR INJURIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THANK WE HAVE HAD NONE OF THAT REPORTED AT ALL. NOPE. JESSICA, IF YOU CAN JUST LET THEM FINISH FOR THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. YES. UM, WE'VE HAD, AS I KNOW THE COUNCIL HAS AS WELL, WE'VE RECEIVED LOTS OF EMAILS AND CALLS SUPPORTING, INSTALLING THIS PERMANENT DISC GOLF COURSE AND PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANNA SEE IT. ONE THING THAT'S GREAT ABOUT DISC GOLF IS IT'S GREAT FOR YOUTH, ADULTS, FAMILIES, SENIORS, ANYONE THAT JUST WANTS TO GET OUT. SOME PEOPLE CALL IT HIKING WITH A PURPOSE. YOU'RE HIKING AND PLAYING A GAME AT THE SAME TIME WHILE YOU'RE OUT THERE. UM, RICHARD COPELAND AND KYLE'S STORY ALSO CREATED A SEDONA DISC GOLF FACEBOOK GROUP THAT WE HAVE 189 MEMBERS OF THAT THEY'RE JUST KEEPING UPDATED WITH LET GETTING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO GO PLAY AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, COME TO CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT AND SUPPORT OUR DISC GOLF SO WE CAN GET A PERMANENT COURSE THERE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY COOL WAS THAT I'VE HAD A COUPLE LOCAL RESIDENTS WITH SMALLER CHILDREN CALL AND, AND GIVE US COMPLIMENTS ON OUR TEMPORARY DISC DISC GOLF COURSE BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY STARTED PLAYING, THEY HAD NEVER PLAYED BEFORE. THEY WENT OVER TO COTTONWOODS 18 HOLE, AND THEN THEY, THEY'RE LIKE, OURS AS A TEMPORARY COURSE IS SO MUCH BETTER, WHICH MADE US FEEL GOOD BECAUSE HERE IT'S JUST A SMALL TEMPORARY COURSE, BUT TO GET THOSE NEW USERS OUT THERE AND FAMILIES ACTIVE AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY COOL TO SEE. YES. AND THEN SO ALONG THAT SAME DATA WITH U DISK, SO LIKE WE SAID, WE HAD ABOUT 1400 THAT HAD, OR 1,291 THAT HAD CHECKED IN ON U DISK. UM, HERE'S THE MONTH BY MONTH STATS OF HOW MANY HAD PLAYED EACH MONTH. SO YOU CAN SEE AVERAGING RIGHT OR BOUND A HUNDRED A MONTH AT PLAY AND CHECK IN THROUGH U DISK THERE AND THEN NOW FOR THE PERMANENT COURSE. SO WITH THIS TEMPORARY COURSE, THE PURPOSE OF IT WAS TO GATHER DATA, WHETHER PEOPLE LIKED IT, WHAT POTENTIAL ISSUES COULD BE POSITIVE FEEDBACK, NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, AND TURN ALL THAT INTO HOPEFULLY DEVELOPING A PERMANENT COURSE, WHICH WE'RE HERE TO PROPOSE TONIGHT. SO WITH THIS PERMANENT COURSE, WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF THOSE DATA AND FEEDBACK AND HOW WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER AND MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS AS WELL. ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS WAS THAT THE DISK GOLF COURSE CURRENTLY AS IT IS, SHARES SOME USE WITH AN EXISTING TRAIL. UM, SO THERE ARE HIKERS, BIKERS STUFF ON THAT TRAIL A LITTLE BIT. SO PART OF OUR PROPOSED COURSE IS REROUTING THE TRAIL RIGHT HERE ON THE SEDONA LOOP TRAIL AND THEN MAKING SIGNAGE IN BOTH THESE AREAS ALONG THE TRAIL SAYING THAT ANYTHING BEYOND THIS ZONE AS WARNING SIGNS THAT DISK GOLF IS BEING PLAYED WEST OF THESE TWO LOCATIONS. SO WITH THIS REROUTED TRAIL, IT STILL CONNECTS DOWN TO THE SUNSET TRAIL DOWN HERE, THE NEW SHARED USE PATH AND ALL OF THAT. SO IT SERVES THE SAME FUNCTION. UM, AND OF COURSE, USERS ARE STILL WELCOME TO HIKE OUT HERE. IT'S JUST PROPOSING THAT IT'S WARNING THEM THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ENTERING A DISK GOLF ZONE WHERE DISKS ARE GONNA BE FLYING . UM, AS PART OF THAT, WE HAD A DESIGN WORK GROUP WITH SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS, A MUNICIPAL PLANNER, THE UNITED STATES FOREST SERVICE COORDINATORS. UM, THIS LAND TAKES UP 9.5 ACRES. PART OF OUR OTHER CONCERNS WE'RE MAKING SURE IT WASN'T GETTING TOO CLOSE TO THE HOUSES HERE, A FLAMING ARROW. SO WE PROPOSED AT LEAST A 50 FOOT BUFFER THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THOSE HOUSES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE WITH OUR POTENTIAL MAP, NONE OF THOSE, THE TEA PADS OR BASKETS ARE EVEN WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THOSE HOUSES AND THEY'RE ALL THROWING AN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS FROM THE HOMES. SO THERE SHOULD NEVER BE AN INSTANCE WHERE A DISC IS ACTUALLY APPROACHING ANY OF THE HOMES OR PEOPLE ARE GETTING ANY CLOSER TO THE HOMES THERE, AS ALL THE DIRECTIONS ARE GOING OPPOSITE OF THAT. UM, THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS WHERE THERE ARE THE TEA PADS OR BASKETS, THEY'RE HIDDEN BEHIND TREES OR [02:50:01] FOLIAGE AREAS SO THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY VISIBLE FROM THE HOME. AND ALSO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE SOUND FROM THE BASKETS. THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN FROM SOME PEOPLE. AND THE DATE, THE DISC GOLF COURSE WOULD OF COURSE BE DAY USE ONLY LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER AMENITIES IN POSSE GROUNDS PARK. SO IT WOULD JUST BE OPEN FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET. ALL RIGHT, SO THEN OUR NEXT STEP WAS ONCE WE KNEW THAT THE TEMPORARY COURSE WAS BEING FULLY SUPPORTED AND WE GOT THE, THE PROPOSED DRAFT OF THE DESIGN FOR A PERMANENT COURSE, WE DECIDED TO CREATE A WORK GROUP. AND IN THAT WORK GROUP WE HAD A TOTAL OF 10 PARTICIPANTS. WE INVITED THE FIVE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD SUBMITTED SEVERAL, UM, CONCERNS OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME. UM, OF THE FIVE INDIVIDUALS. UM, FOUR OF THEM DID PARTICIPATE, SO WE DID GET THEIR PARTICIPATION. UM, OF THEM FOUR PARTICIPANTS ARE RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THE PARK BORDER. SO WE WERE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM GIVE INPUT AS WELL. AND THEN WE HAD THE, UH, FOREST SERVICE TRAILS WILDERNESS O HB COORDINATOR, UH, PARTICIPATE AS WELL TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ISSUES. AND WE'LL COVER THAT ON HERE SHORTLY. SO OUT OF THE WORK GROUP, UM, WHAT WAS SUPPORTED WAS THE BUFFER BOUNDARY, UM, THE COURSE THAT THE COURSE ADDS AN EXTRA LEVEL OF PROTECTION FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR OTHER USE, UM, TO DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN PATHWAYS, KEEPING ROUTE AWAY FROM TRAILS, LINKING UP WITH THE SOLDIERS PAST SHARED DEUCE PATH BA BASICALLY MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS A SEPARATION OF USAGE FOR THEM TO AVOID THAT CONFLICT. UM, ADDITIONAL ITEMS GENERATED FROM THE MEETING THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT OR WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING TO, WAS JUST CONFIRMING THAT GREAT SIGNAGE IS NEEDED. AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE GOOD SIGNAGE, IT'S NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC, UM, THE SAFETY THAT WE NEED. UM, MAPS, UM, WARNINGS SUCH AS ENTERING FLYING DISC GOLF ZONE, ENTERING FLYING DISC ZONE RESIDENTIAL AREA. ONE OF OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE DISCUSSED WAS PUTTING UP SIGNAGE TO BE RESPECTFUL WHEN YOU ARE IN THE AREAS CLOSE TO THE RESIDENCE. UM, MAKING SURE YOU'RE WEARING THE RIGHT TR UM, SHOES AND PROPER FOOTWEAR, UM, PROTOCOL FOR TRAIL ETIQUETTE, UM, NOISE FROM THE BASKET CHAINS. ONE OF THE RESIDENTS BROUGHT THAT UP AND SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, ALTER THE, THE CHAINS ON THERE TO HELP WITH THAT SOUND IMPACT, UM, AT A PRACTICE BASKET AT ENTRY, SO THAT WAY HOPEFULLY PEOPLE AREN'T JUST SITTING AT ONE HOLE SHOOTING FOR A WHILE. AND THEN TO INSTALL THE BASKETS IN TEE BOXES TEMPORARILY BEFORE WE CONCRETE 'EM IN. SO THAT WAY WE TO DO ANY SHIFTING, WE CAN DO THAT BEFORE WE PERMANENTLY AFFIX IT. SO, UM, ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WAS EXPRESSED WAS IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE TERRAIN AND THE, THE VEGETATION. AND HERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT SHOTS OF THE CURRENT TEMPORARY COURSE. AND WHAT WE WANTED TO SHOW AN EXHIBIT IS THE FACT THAT YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF IT IS, UM, DIRT AND ROCK. SO AS FAR AS IMPACT TO THE VEGETATION, THERE'LL BE LITTLE TO THAT ALONG WITH THE TRAIL USE AS WELL. UM, THE FOREST SERVICE COORDINATOR, HE EXPRESSED THAT THERE WAS NO CONCERN FOR SOIL EROSION, DRAINAGE ISSUE OR OFF TRAIL USE OR FOR VEGETATION AND TREES WITH THE STATE THAT IT'S IN RIGHT NOW. SO FOR CONSTRUCTION, OUR PLAN IS FOR AN 18 HOLE COURSE UTILIZING THE NINE BASKETS. WE DON'T PLAN TO PUT 18 BASKETS, ONLY NINE BASKETS, BUT WITH THE PLAN TO INSTALL A TOTAL OF 18 TEA BOXES FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO SHOOT AT THOSE BASKETS, UM, WE WOULD USE THE SAME STRATEGIC MANNER, MAKING SURE BO THE BOUNDARY, THE BUFFER BOUNDARY IS STILL ADHERED TO THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, HAVE BUFFERS WITH THE BUSHES AND TREES FROM THE RESIDENTS, UM, AND THE, THE THROES, MAKING SURE THE THROW DIRECTIONS ARE IN THE RIGHT WAY. THE PROJECT WOULD BE PERFORMED IN-HOUSE BY OUR PUBLIC WORKS MAINTENANCE TEAM WITH ASSISTANCE FROM OUR STAFF AND THE DISC GOLF COMMUNITY. ONE THING THAT I DO WANNA STRONGLY SHARE AND EXPRESS IS THE DISC GOLF COMMUNITY HAS BEEN SO HELPFUL THROUGH THIS PROGRESS. THEY'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN GIVING INPUT AND SUGGESTIONS AND TRYING TO SOLVE SOLUTIONS, COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE ISSUES ARISE AND, AND CHALLENGE COMPLAINTS RECEIVED. UM, WE DID BUDGET THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR A ONE TIME PURCHASE OF EIGHT $8,000 FOR THE PROJECT. IF IT DID GET APPROVED, UM, SOME TREE BRANCHES AND BRUSH AT EYE LEVEL WILL HAVE TO BE TRIMMED. UH, THE, THE COCONINO FOREST SERVICE COORDINATOR SUGGESTED THAT SOME OF THE DEAD TREES COULD BE REMOVED AS WELL TOO. UM, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARY. BUT MORE SO ALONG THE LINES FOR SAFETY REASONS, THE [02:55:01] TEA PADS AND BASKETS WOULD BE PLACED STRATEGICALLY AS JOSH SHARED EARLIER WHEN WE'RE NEAR THE RESIDENCE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME BUFFERS. UM, TEE PADS WILL BE APPROXIMATELY FIVE BY FIVE FEET BY EIGHT FEET, AND WE'LL USE THE SEDONA RED CONCRETE SO THAT WAY IT'LL BLEND IN WITH THE NATURAL SCENERY. THE EXISTING LOOP TRAIL'S GONNA BE REROUTED AS JOSH SHOWN ON THE MAP, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE LOTS OF SIGNAGE POSTED, WARNING AS YOU'RE ENTERING. AND THEN LASTLY, WE DO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO ADD INTER INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE THE EXPERIENCE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR THOSE WHO WANT MORE THAN JUST DISC GOLF AND JUST TO BE OUT AND ENJOY THE AREA. SO WE JUST INCLUDED A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF SIGNAGE OF WHAT YOU COULD SEE PUTTING IN THERE. UM, IT JUST SHOWS THE DIFFERENT WARNINGS AND MAPS AND DISTANCES AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WILL HAVE AT EACH HOLE. SO THAT WAY AS PEOPLE ARE USING IT, THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. AND THEN THE T PAD EXAMPLES, JUST SHOWING THE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME PLACES USE AN EXISTING SIDEWALK AND THEY'RE THROWING RIGHT INTO THE PARK OR THEY'VE JUST OUTLINED IT WITH, WITH, UM, WOOD BARRIERS OR THEY'RE USING CONCRETE OR SOMETIMES EVEN PLASTIC, UM, RUBBER PADS ON THE TWO PADS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ANDY, YOU'RE SITTING OVER THERE NORMALLY HAVE SOME WORDS OF WISDOM FOR ME. ANYTHING YOU WANT ME? I'M THIS HERE FOR BACK UP TONIGHT, . OKAY. THAT, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANNA BE SURE I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T MISS ANYBODY. OKAY. UH, QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COUNCILOR KINSELLA. I I DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND FORGIVE ME AS I TRY TO READ MY SCRIBBLE AS I WAS WRITING THEM AS YOU WERE PRESENTING, UM, I NOTICED ON THE SIGNAGE ONE OF THE SIGNS FOR A BASKET SAID PAR THREE. AND I I JUST WANTED TO KNOW GENERALLY IS THAT AVERAGE, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE HIGHEST AMOUNT? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE BUFFER ZONES BECAUSE I'M WONDERING IF WHEN YOU THROW IT, DO PEOPLE TEND TO GO LONG BEYOND THE BASKET OR DOES IT TAKE, LIKE, IT FALLS SHORT, IT TAKES A SECOND AND THIRD, IF YOU COULD JUST WALK ME THROUGH THAT FOR A SECOND, PLEASE. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO GOLF, THE GAME OF GOLF. MM-HMM. , YOU'RE BASICALLY TRYING NOT TO OVERTHROW. SO IT, IT'S GONNA TAKE SEVERAL THROWS TO GET TO THE BASKET. NOW OUR COURSE IS NOT GOING TO BE A LONG COURSE MM-HMM. , SO OUR PARS ARE GONNA BE MOSTLY ALL PAR THREES ARE ONE LONGER HOLE. THAT'S A PAR FOUR. YES. OKAY. AND THE REASON I ASKED THAT, AGAIN, HAD TO DO WITH THE BUFFER ZONES. AND I THINK THAT IF THAT BEING THE CASE, THE BUFFER ZONES SEEM CERTAINLY ADEQUATE THERE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND OKAY, I CAN, THAT ONE WAS SIMILAR. UH, YOU SAID IT BEFORE ABOUT INSTANCES OR INCIDENTS RATHER, IT WAS THE LANGUAGE YOU USED. AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, THERE HAVE BEEN, IN THE TRIAL PARK, THERE HAVE BEEN NO INJURIES REPORTED. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND UM, AGAIN, I, THE, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU GOT THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT YOU DID. I WANNA THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT OUTREACH. I MEAN, THAT'S WHO WE DO NEED TO HEAR FROM ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO SOMETHING BECAUSE QUITE OFTEN THEY DO HAVE SOME GOOD IDEAS AND IT LOOKS LIKE SOME GOOD IDEAS DID COME OUT OF THAT. SO I JUST DID WANNA SAY THANK YOU. UM, AND MY LAST QUESTION ON THAT, AND THEN I'LL RESERVE FOR COMMENTS LATER, IS THE TRAIL CHANGE THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN THERE. AND I JUST WANT TO BE, UM, I DID LOOK INTO THIS BEFOREHAND, BUT AGAIN, I WANNA ASK IT ON THE RECORD HERE AND JUST BE SURE THE EXISTING TRAIL THOUGH WON'T BE CLOSED OFF. THAT WOULD STILL BE AN OPTION FOR THOSE WHO DO WANNA SAY YES, I SEE THAT THERE'S A SIGN THAT I COULD GO IN AND GET CONED IN THE HEAD, BUT THAT'S THE, I WANNA DO THAT LITTLE LOLLIPOP TRAIL AND THAT WILL STILL REMAIN OPEN EVEN THOUGH THEY'LL NOW BE A NEW SECTION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO BYPASS THAT, UH, POTENTIAL CONFLICT AREA. DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. OKAY. AND HOW LONG IS THAT NEW PIECE OF TRAIL AND WHAT WILL THAT CUT THROUGH IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE? SO THIS TRAIL'S ACTUALLY ALREADY THERE. OKAY. IT'S LIKE A LITTLE CUT THROUGH TRAIL. UM, IT'S A SOCIAL TRAIL THAT YOU'RE GONNA ADAPT. IT PROBABLY IS. IT'S PRETTY MUCH EXISTING. UM, OKAY. SO IT MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK DONE TO IT, BUT IT IS ALREADY EXISTING THERE. UM, AND IT IS JUST KIND OF THE SOCIAL TRAIL THAT LINKED DOWN TO THE SUNSET TRAIL RIGHT HERE MM-HMM. . AND IT'LL BE SIGNED THEN NOW? YES. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. UH, BEFORE YOU, WELL AFTER YOU, LET ME JUST TAKE ON TO WHAT YOU SAID. MM-HMM. , I HAVE A QUESTION WHILE THAT'S BECAUSE THAT SLIDE, THIS IS A SHARED USE PATH. YES. YES. OKAY. SO THIS CORNER HERE IS HOW CLOSE TO THE SHARED USE PATH. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ACTUALLY CAN'T USE THAT CORNER BECAUSE THERE IS, IS THAT THE TERRAIN DROP? YES. OKAY. I, I WAS UP THERE. THAT'S WHY EVERYTHING IS UP FROM THERE. I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT'S WHAT IT, CAUSE I, I TOOK A, I, I WALK UP THERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND I JUST, I BELIEVE I KNEW WHAT THAT AREA WAS. SO THERE'S NO, [03:00:01] UH, CONCERNED ABOUT SOMEBODY GETTING CLOCKED ON THEIR HEAD ON A SHARED USE PATH SO FAR OFF. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. UH, PETE FURMAN, COUNCILOR FURMAN, THAT'S HIS NAME. DON'T WEAR IT OUT. I'M NOT, NEVER WILL. THANK YOU MAYOR TURN. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, I'LL START WITH A FULL DISCLOSURE. UM, MYSELF AND MY SON-IN-LAW AND MY TWO GRANDKIDS ARE IN THE UDIS DATABASE IN APRIL OF 2022, IS USING THE COURSE . AWESOME. AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT BETTER. WHOLE SIGNAGE IS NEEDED. AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT I COULD GET IT WITHIN 50 FEET. YOU'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT , UM, QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. WHERE IS THE INTENDED, WELL, LET ME GO WITH THAT. WITH THAT MAP IS UP THERE. IT'S A SIMILAR QUESTION TO WHAT MAYER JUST ASKED. WHERE IS THAT REALLY BEAUTIFUL OVERLOOK THAT CLIFF FACE THAT YOU WALK NEXT TO? NO, IT IS RIGHT THERE. YEP. YEAH. YEP. PRETTY SIMILAR TO RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S EXISTING WHERE OUR WHOLE FIVE IS. YEAH. WHEN YOU PLAYED IT. YEP. KIND OF GOES RIGHT ALONG HERE. I GOTTA TELL YOU THAT WHEN I PLAYED AND THE TWO TIMES I WALKED THE COURSE HERE IN THE RECENT WEEKS, IT TAUGHT, THERE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE STOPPED THERE JUST MOUTH GATE LOOKING AT THAT VIEW. IT'S JUST STUNNING. STUNNING. SO, OKAY, HERE ARE MY QUESTIONS. WHERE IS PARKING INTENDED TO BE? WHERE IS BY THE POOL? BY THE, BY THE POOL. SO THAT WILL BE, I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS IS WHO'S PARKING LOT THAT WAS, WAS IT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS OR IS THAT OURS OR, IT IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S, WE'VE, WE'VE ARRANGED THAT AND THAT'S GOOD. GOOD. AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER, UH, COMMENT THAT I HAD FROM THE VISITORS THAT I TALKED TO HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT BETTER HOLE SIGNAGE. DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE TO THE PARK TWO ABOUT HOW TO GET IT, HOW TO REACH IT. YEAH. GREAT, THANK YOU. AND THEN YOU SAID NINE HOLES, 18 HOLES, NINE BASKETS. IS THIS GONNA BE A PHASE THING? ARE WE DOING NINE HOLES FIRST AND THEN DOING EIGHT? THE SECOND NINE? YES. WE'RE GONNA GET THE FIRST NINE IN AT, YOU KNOW, PUT 'EM IN TEMPORARILY. THEN ONCE WE KNOW, WE'LL CONCRETE HIM IN AND THEN WE'LL WORK ON THE NEXT PHASE. I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A GREAT BIG DISC GOLFER. I PLAY WITH MY SON-IN-LAW WHEN I'M OUT IN ATLANTA VISITING HIM. I'VE NEVER SEEN A NINE PLUS NINE LIKE THAT. IS THAT A NEWER TREND? IS THAT COMMON? I JUST HAVEN'T RUN ACROSS IT IN MY TWO DOZEN ROUNDS OF DISC GOLF . SO YES, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE LIKE THAT. IT'S REALLY SIMILAR TO GOLF WHERE THEY'LL HAVE LIKE A BLUE TEA AND A RED TEA KIND OF THING. SO LIKE ON THIS SIGN HERE, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT WOULD BE MAPPED OUT WHERE THERE'S A RED TEA BOX HERE AND A WHITE TEE BOX HERE. SO IF YOU WERE PLAYING LIKE 18 HOLES, YOU MIGHT PLAY HOLE ONE HERE. AND WHEN YOU GOT TO HOLE 10, YOU'D BE STARTING ON THIS ONE. YEP. UH, CONCRETE PADS IS THAT, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. IT'S LIKE, I THINK I'VE RUN INTO DEFINITELY PLACES WITHOUT CONCRETE PADS. AND, UH, WHAT'S THE THINKING BEHIND WHY CONCRETE IS THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THE TEE BOX? STABILITY. FLAT SURFACE. YEP. YEP. MAY UPKEEP. YEAH, IT DOESN'T MATTER FOR ME, BUT I WATCHED MY SON-IN-LAW AND HE NEEDS A FLAT SERVICE. THAT'S AMAZING HOW PEOPLE DO THIS STUFF. UH, AND I ALSO DID WANNA MENTION THAT THE STRAIGHTISH HOLES ON THIS COURSE DESIGN ARE ALSO GONNA HELP SORT OF KEEP THE DESERT DAMAGE DOWN. I THINK IN FACT, THE TRAILS ARE GONNA GET PRETTY, THE WAY PEOPLE WALK THE COURSE ARE GONNA DEFINE. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WANDERING OFF. WELL, OF COURSE YOU GOTTA GO CHASE YOUR DISC. SO I'LL TAKE THAT BACK. . UM, A ANOTHER TOPIC THAT I WANT TO TAKE ON IS SORT OF IS A, A, A BIGGER TOPIC PERHAPS. YOU HAD A WORKING GROUP THAT HELPED YOU DESIGN THIS THING AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE FACEBOOK GROUP THAT WAS ESTABLISHED. I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT WHETHER THE COMMUNITY, AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR, UH, THE ENTHUSIASTS TALK ABOUT THIS, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA FORM A LITTLE USERS GROUP THAT WILL WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE, UH, PARKS DEPARTMENT AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN DO SOME FUNDRAISING AND REPLACE A BASKET IF NEEDED OR HELP IN THE MAINTENANCE OF THE COURSE. THAT KIND OF THING. I'M DR. THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER SET UP. I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE BIKE SKILLS PARK, HOW THAT CAME TO POSSE GROUNDS PARK AND IT WAS REALLY A USER INVOLVED GROUP AND THE CITY, YOU KNOW, HELPING DIRECT IT. AND THAT GROUP CONTINUES TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS AND I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY MAGNIFICENT. ANOTHER SUPER GREAT MODEL ALONG THESE LINES IS THE SISTER CITIES GROUP THAT'S FARMING. THEY FORMED A 5 0 1 THEY'RE RAISING MONEY, THEY'RE DOING ALL THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH SOME OF THE MEMBERS ON THE COUNCIL. AND I LOVE THIS MODEL CUZ IT'S LIKE A SHARED USE SKIN IN THE GAME KIND OF MODEL. AND SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA ENGAGE WITH US THAT WAY. AND THEN THERE'S A LARGER QUESTION, REALLY A POLICY QUESTION [03:05:01] HERE IS ABOUT, AS WE THINK ABOUT NEW RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES OR EVEN CURRENT RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES, WHETHER WE COULD THINK ABOUT THAT THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ACTIVITY GETS AN AN A GRADE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHERE WE SPEND OUR MONEY, THAT THIS USER DRIVEN, NOT NOT DRIVEN, BUT USER INVOLVED, UH, GROUP. SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN TELL ME ABOUT THAT? AND THEN CITY MANAGER, I'LL ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT COME, HOW WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OUR STRATEGY SESSION, BUT WE DIDN'T PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT THAT AS A COMMUNITY, AS OF, UH, HOW WE ORGANIZE THESE THINGS. SURE. THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, THE DISC GOLF COMMUNITY HAS BEEN EXPRESSING, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMMING IDEAS, TOURNAMENTS, YOU KNOW, FUNDRAISERS, JUST GENERATING DIFFERENT IDEAS. AND WITH THE EXHIBITING OF WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY CONTRIBUTED THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS GONNA BE CARRIED FORWARD SIMILAR TO THE BIKE SKILLS PARK, TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR INVOLVEMENT FOR YEARS TO KEEP IT GOING. ANYTHING, KAREN, TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE THINK ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS A POLICY MOVING FORWARD THAT WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE THAT AS NEW THINGS OR EVEN OLD THINGS ARE MOVING. SURE. THANKS COUNSELOR. UH, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE EXAMPLES WITHIN THE CITY WITH VERY ROBUST VOLUNTEER TYPE PROGRAMS. YOU MENTIONED THE BIKE SKILLS, PARK, PARKS AND REC ACTUALLY, I MEAN, THEY HAVE FOUR FULL-TIME, FIVE FULL FIVE OF US NOW TIME POSITIONS. AND THEY COULD NOT PUT ON THE EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT THEY DO WITHOUT A CADRE, A LARGE CADRE OF VOLUNTEERS WHO WORK UNDERNEATH THEIR DIRECTION AND ALONGSIDE THEM. RIGHT. COOPERATIVELY FOR THE BIKE SKILLS PARK, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PART-TIME PAID P PERSON, STAFF MEMBER WHO COORDINATES WITH THE VOLUNTEERS SCHEDULES, DIRECTS. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF VOLUNTEER EFFORTS THAT WORK THE BEST. YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH. UM, PDS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT. YES. WHERE THEY'RE VERY, THERE'S A COORDINATOR OF THOSE VOLUNTEERS THAT DIRECTS THEIR ACTIVITIES AND SIGNS UP VOLUNTEERS, TRAINS THEM. SO I THINK THAT PROVIDES THE, THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY FOR SUCCESS WHEN THERE'S AVAILABILITY ON OUR STAFF TEAM, EVEN IF THAT'S FIVE HOURS A WEEK TO, TO WORK WITH THOSE GROUPS. SO I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SEIZING THOSE KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES WHEN THEY'RE, THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES. THIS IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT DOG PARK NEXT. THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. SO, UM, IT'S A GREAT POINT. AND, AND WHEN IT WORKS, IT IS, UH, INSTRUMENTAL TO US BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE OR AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY. YEP. YEAH. AND I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A A DOZEN OR TWO DOZEN THESE GREAT GROUPS THAT EXIST OUT HERE, SOME OF, SOME OF WHICH ARE REALLY INDEPENDENT FROM THE CITY, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M YES. IKER AND A BIKER AND, YOU KNOW, RED ROCK TRAIL FUND AND THE, THE GROUPS, UH, THE FOREST GROUPS. AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS A PICKLEBALL GROUP TOO. OH, GOOD. YEAH, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY ENGAGEMENT YET. AND SO IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT AND ENTHUSED ABOUT IT AND PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, WE'RE GONNA GET 'EM TO PARTICIPATE AND HELP. GREAT MAYOR, THANK YOU. GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL FERMAN. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD NOW OR YOU WANNA RESERVE? NOT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANKS VICE MAYOR. OKAY. I WASN'T SURE. THANK YOU. THIS WAS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE WORKING GROUP. SO DID YOU, ARE THEY ENTHUSIASTIC OR ARE THEY, THAT THIS, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M GONNA REPHRASE THAT. ARE THEY SATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME? THE, THE RESIDENT, ONE OF THE RES TWO OF THE RESIDENTS EXPRESSED TO US THAT EVENING WHEN THEY WERE LEAVING, HOW THANKFUL THEY WERE. THEY APPRECIATED THE EFFORT OF RESPECTING THEIR AREA. UM, I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT WE DIDN'T SEE SOME OF THEM HERE TONIGHT, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW TO INTERPRET THAT IF THAT MEANS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT LONG STORY SHORT, BY THE END OF IT, AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM, UM, AFTER THE WORK GROUP, SO I'M GUESSING THAT IT WAS SATISFIED. WHEN WAS THE WORK GROUP? NOVEMBER 20, WAS IT NOVEMBER 2ND? SO IT WAS A ONE DAY MEETING. MM-HMM. , UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE GOT A, WE GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT EMAILS. WE DIDN'T GET TOO MANY NEGATIVE, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER ONE NEGATIVE, BUT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN. BUT THE, UM, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE IN ARE NOT RESIDENTS OF SEDONA, THE CURRENT ONE. AND I, I WILL, I WAS GONNA ASK MANAGEMENT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY WITH THE OLDER COUNCIL, WE DID GET [03:10:01] EMAILS FROM LOCALS, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT TO COUNCIL TILL NOW. OH, OKAY. SO THOSE EMAILS, THE NEW COUNCIL NEVER SAW FROM THE LOCALS THAT WE GOT THROUGH COUNCIL FOR SUPPORT. OKAY. I DIDN'T GO BACK TO THOSE OLD EMAILS. EXCUSE ME. AND WHO ACTUALLY DESIGNED THIS COURSE? IT WAS A, A, A GROUP EFFORT BETWEEN JOSH AND THE DISK GOLFERS. SO, AND EVEN IN YOUR NUMBERS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DIS, YOU KNOW, IS IT JUST A PARTIAL REFLECTION OF WHO PLAYS THE GOLF, BUT THERE, THERE WASN'T A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP WHO LIVE IN THE CITY. SO IS THIS AN AMENITY THAT IS REALLY BEING REQUESTED BY OUR RESIDENTS? YES. YES. AND WHEN YOU SAY THE, WHICH NUMBERS ARE YOU REFERRING TO? THE, THE DECEMBER DISC GOLF. BECAUSE DECEMBER DISC GOLF WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY TO SEE RESIDENTS. YEAH. AND THAT WAS WHEN WE HAD IT ON THE FIELD FOR A MONTH. OH, OKAY. AND SO ON THE, THE TEMPORARY DISC GOLF, WE DID NOT HAVE THEM REGISTERING THROUGH SPORT SITES BECAUSE IT IS A CUMBERSOME PRO PROCESS TO REGISTER, JUST TO PLAY ON A COURSE. UM, BUT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO DO ANYTHING THAT WE COULD TO GATHER THE INFORMATION TO PROCEED IN SEEKING WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD BE SUPPORTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. MM-HMM. . OKAY. COUNSELOR VOLTZ, WHAT YOU, I'LL RESERVE FOR COMMENT. OKAY. MY ONLY QUESTION IS PERHAPS FOR KURT OR KAREN, WHAT ASPECT ABOUT THIS ITEM REQUIRES IT TO COME IN FRONT OF COUNSEL, GIVEN THE BUDGET AMOUNTS? SO THIS IS REALLY, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A HIGH PROFILE, NEW AMENITY, TAKING UP NINE ACRES OF OUR COMMUNITY PARK, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL TO SANCTION IT. SO WHILE WE COULD CERTAINLY MAKE THE EXPENDITURE, WE DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING SO IN MAKING IT PERMANENT UNTIL YOU HEARD FOR, HAD A PO OPPORTUNITY FOR A PUBLIC CONVERSATION AND ALL OF YOU WEIGHED IN AND AND DIRECTED US ON THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND YOU'RE GOING TO RESERVE FOR COMMENT. OKAY. UH, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD ON COMMENTS. I WANT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE MAKE OUR FINAL COMMENTS. I HAVE FOUR CARDS. WE HAVE, UH, SHANE BYRUM AS FIRST UP, FOLLOWED BY DARREN SUP, SUP NUMBER TWO, YOU'RE ON, ON DECK. SO JUST BE READY. UH, SHANE, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. HELLO, Y'ALL. I'M SHANE MYRON. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN SEDONA FOR, UH, 30 YEARS NOW. I, UH, I STARTED PLAYING DISC GOLF ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO. STARTED FROM AS AN AMATEUR AND ROSE THROUGH RANKS TOUR. NOW I PLAY AS A SPONSORED PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE PLAY, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, PROFESSIONAL DISC GOLF ASSOCIATION. I PARTICIPATE IN OVER, OVER 20 LARGE EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHWEST PLAYING AS A PROFESSIONAL. UM, IT'S A GREAT GAME. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PLAY THIS WITHOUT LAUGHING AND, AND JUST ENJOYING YOURSELF. AND IT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO THROW FROM THE TEE PADS IF IT'S TOO FAR FOR YOU. YOU CAN WALK UP A HUNDRED FEET TILL YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE BASKET RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. PLAY FROM THERE, MAKE IT YOUR OWN GAME, AND HAVE A LOT OF FUN. UM, I'M JUST ONE PERSON. THERE'S ACTUALLY THOUSANDS OF DISC GOLFERS WITHIN 90 MILES OF SEDONA BETWEEN PRESCOTT, FLAGSTAFF, PEOPLE, FAMILIES, PE YOU KNOW, THAT PLAY RECREATIONALLY. THEY PLAY ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR TO PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHERE I PLAY TWO TO FOUR ROUNDS A WEEK. I'VE PLAYED OVER IN SIX YEARS, I'VE PLAYED OVER 50 COURSES, AND THAT'S INCLUDED OVER 1500 ROUNDS. HALF OF THOSE ROUNDS WERE ACTUALLY IN COTTONWOOD. I'VE HELPED WITH THE DESIGN OF OUR LOCAL COURSE THROUGH THE HELP WITH, UH, RICHARD COPELAND AND JK MOK. AND, UH, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE PROPERTY WE HAVE THAT WE CAN USE RIGHT NOW. UM, SEDONA IS A POSITIVE DESTINATION VACATION PLACE, AND THIS COURSE WILL ALLOW FOR A PRESTIGIOUS DISCOURSE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE COMING FROM ALL OVER TO ENJOY. IN JULY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOUSANDS OF DIS GOLFERS COMING [03:15:01] FOR THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS THAT WILL DESCEND UPON NORTHERN ARIZONA. I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT I'M ONE OF THE ONLY LOCAL RESIDENTS THAT HAVE QUALIFIED TO PLAY IN THOSE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, AND I'M LOOKING VERY FORWARD TO IT. AND I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE SOME OF OUR LOCAL PROS THAT COME FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY TO SEDONA AND TO ENJOY OUR COURSE. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT SIMPLE GAME AND IT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, AND I DEFINITELY SUPPORT A PERMANENT COURSE HERE IN SEDONA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SHANE. NEXT IS DARREN SUP, FOLLOWED BY RICHARD COPELAND. HELLO, MAYOR BLOW COUNSEL. UM, DARREN SUP. I LIVE IN COTTONWOOD. UM, I LIVED IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK FOR THREE YEARS. UM, AND I WOULD DRIVE TO FLAGSTAFF OR PHOENIX OR COTTONWOOD A LOT TO PLAY. UM, AND I'M NOT COMPARING BALL GOLF TO DISC GOLF, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST KIDS AROUND HERE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUY 300 TO, YOU KNOW, $10,000 WORTH OF CLUBS AND THEN PAY THE FEES TO PLAY ROUND OF GOLF, YOU KNOW, UPWARDS OF $150 FOR A SINGLE ROUND. UM, OUR COURSES ALSO ERODE, OR THEY KIND OF, UH, EVOLVE OVER TIME, UM, WITH MINIMAL IMPACT, AS YOU GUYS HIGHLIGHTED. UM, YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY MOVED TO COTTONWOOD BECAUSE, JUST TO BE CLOSER TO THE, THE COURSE IN COTTONWOOD, UM, . I MEAN, I STILL GO TO FLAG. I STILL GO TO PHOENIX, BUT TO HAVE A COURSE HERE WOULD BE AMAZING. MY KIDS LOVE IT. UM, I HAVE A SIX YEAR OLD AND A 12 YEAR OLD, UH, BOTH IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS. THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, UH, IN VILLE. THEY GO TO WALDORF SCHOOL. UM, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE SPORTS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY LOVE DISC GOLF, AND THEY, THEY LOVE COMING OUT AND WATCHING IT, WATCHING THE PROS. UM, THE SPORTS GROWING. IT'S SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF LIKE SKATEBOARDING IN THE EIGHTIES AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS INVENTED IN THE FIFTIES AND THEN IN THE SEVENTIES THEY STARTED DOING ALL THIS CRAZY STUFF, AND THEN IT'S KIND OF ON THE SAME TRAJECTORY. AND, UM, DISC IS KIND OF LIKE, WE'RE GETTING TO LIKE OUR X GAMES AND P YOU KNOW, PROS ARE MAKING MILLIONS AND COURSES ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REALLY GREAT COURSES HERE IN ARIZONA. UM, FLAGSTAFF, PHOENIX, COTTONWOODS AMAZING. UM, TO HAVE SEDONA ON THAT LIST WOULD JUST BE AMAZING. THERE'S PLACES LIKE ZION THAT HAVE COURSES AND ALL OVER, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER THE WORLD. UM, YEAH, THE YOUTH AROUND HERE, THEY NEED IT. IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD, YOU KNOW, GOOD TIME TO BE OUTSIDE. I I PLAY WITH KIDS THAT ARE 12 YEARS OLD THAT ARE JUST AMAZING. AND THE CONFIDENCE AND THE, THE JOY AND THE FOCUS THAT THEY GET IS TRULY AMAZING. UM, I ALSO MET A 99 YEAR OLD MAN THAT PLAYS EVERY DAY. IT'S LIKE A TWO AND A HALF MILE HIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE ROUND. AND, UH, YEAH, IT'S AMAZING THE AMOUNT OF LOVE AND ENTHUSIASM THAT I'VE FOUND FROM DISC GOLF. IT JUST WARMS MY HEART. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. YOU'RE, THANKS FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. DO OKAY. RICHARD COPELAND WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TODD SHEEN. JT, DO YOU REMEMBER? MAYOR COUNSEL? UH, I'M RICHARD COPELAND. UH, I'M ONE OF THE DISC GOLFERS, THE LOCAL DISS GOLFERS THAT'S, UH, HELPING DESIGN THE, UH, THE NEW PERMANENT COURSE, HOPEFULLY. UM, RICHARD, YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE? I, I LIVE IN SEDONA. OKAY. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. I WASN'T CLEAR ON THE MIC. UH, AND MY REASONS FOR WANTING A PERMANENT COURSE ARE PURELY SELFISH. I LOVE THIS GAME AND I WANT TO SPEND IT PLAYING IN A, UH, A BEAUTIFUL SETTING WITH A CHALLENGE. AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE POSSE GROUNDS AREA DOES AFFORD. UH, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN IS, UH, THAT I REALLY LIKE TO, UH, SPREAD THE GAME TO ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN IT. AND, UH, I'M SURE MOST OF US DISC GOLFERS WOULD AGREE THAT, UH, IT'S FUN TO, TO SPREAD THE GAME OUT. AND, UH, SO IF, IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN DISC GOLF AND YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S A DISC GOLFER, JUST ASK THEM, UH, THEY'D BE HAPPY TO, TO GET YOU STARTED IN THE GAME AND, AND SHOW YOU THE ROPES. UH, MY WIFE'S UNCLE IS GONNA BE VISITING US FROM AUSTRALIA, AND, UH, THAT'S IN FEBRUARY. AND, UH, WHEN SHE VIDEO CHATS WITH HIM, UM, HE ALWAYS ASKS, WHAT'S RICHARD DOING? AND SHE SAYS, UH, OH, HE IS OUT PLAYING DISC GOLF. SO HE'D NEVER HEARD OF IT. AND, UH, RECENTLY I EXPLAINED IT TO HIM AND I POINTED HIM [03:20:01] TO A COUPLE OF YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF ME PLAYING. AND, UH, THIS HAS REALLY PEAKED HIS INTEREST. NOW HE'S NOW, HE WATCHES VIDEOS OF THE PROFESSIONAL DISC GOLF TOUR ON, ON, ON YOUTUBE. AND, UH, HE LOCATED A, A DISC GOLF PARK ABOUT 20 MINUTES FROM WHERE HE LIVES. SO HE IS GONNA GO CHECK IT OUT. AND WHEN HE COMES OVER, HE WANTS ME TO, UH, SHOW HIM HOW TO PLAY. NOW HE'S 70 YEARS OLD, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE GOOD FOR HIM. NOW, ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, UH, THAT'S MY, UH, GRANDSON UP THERE THROWING THE DISC IN THE, UH, IN THE VIDEO THERE. UM, HE LOVES TO PLAY WITH HIS PAPA AND, UH, HIS MOTHER GRADUATED FROM, UH, SEDONA HIGH SCHOOL ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. AND I REMEMBER HER TALKING, UH, ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE GROWING UP IN SEDONA AND HOW IT WAS PRETTY MUCH, HEY, WHAT'S THERE TO DO FOR A TEENAGER IN SEDONA? YOU KNOW, MAYBE GO HIKING, HANG OUT WITH YOUR FRIENDS, BUT KIND OF BORING. UM, SO A DISC GOLF COURSE IS JUST, IT'S NOT GONNA ALLEVIATE TEENAGE ANGST AND BOREDOM, BUT, UH, IT'LL GIVE 'EM SOMETHING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S HEALTHY AND, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD OUTLET FOR, FOR THE YOUTH OF THE AREA. UM, LIKE, UH, JOSH AND, UH, DON SAID, UH, WE HAVE 190 COURSES IN ARIZONA, AND, UH, SEDONA IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST CITY IN ARIZONA THAT DOESN'T HAVE A DISC GOLF COURSE. RICHARD, YOU HAVE TO FINISH UP. I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE EXCEEDED YOUR TIME. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. SAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP IS TODD, OUR LAST SPEAKER. IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD NOW. HI, I'M TODD SHEEN. I LIVE IN THE VOC. I'M AN AVID DIFF GOLFER FOR THE LAST ALMOST 20 YEARS. UM, WAS THINKING ABOUT SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS AND REGARDING T PADS, IT'S REALLY A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE UNEVEN SERVICES WILL, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DRIVE AND PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT, YOU COULD TRIP AND SPEAKING. I'VE DONE THAT MYSELF, PLAYING OFF OF DIRT, EVEN RUBBER PADS. UM, THE, UH, UH, THE NINE HOLE COURSE, UH, AND IT'S LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT. ONE SUGGESTION I WOULD HAVE WOULD, IF APPROVED, IS TO LOOK AT A COURSE IN MESA. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS. IT'S CALLED EMERALD DISC GOLF COURSE. AND IT'S A NINE HOLE COURSE THAT PLAYS AROUND IN A CIRCLE AND HAS ALTERNATE TEE PADS WHERE YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU PLAY BACK THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. AND SO VISUALLY, YOU'RE, YOU SEE EACH OTHER AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT, IT WORKS. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT WORKS. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AN ALTERED NEED TO BAND PLAYING ALONG THE SAME LINE COULD BE A WAY TO DO IT TOO, BUT IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. MESA EMERALD DISC GOLF COURSE IN MESA, UM, UH, THAT COURSE HALF THAT COURSE HAS, UH, HOUSING AND FENCING AROUND IT, AND THE COURSE GETS UP FAIRLY CLOSE TO IT. UH, THERE IS, UH, A LOT OF RESPECT WITH DISK GOLFERS AND PEOPLE'S RESIDENTS. UH, THE DISK GOLF COMMUNITY GETS TOGETHER LIKE IT HAS IN COTTONWOOD, FORMED A DISK GOLF CLUB, AND THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE IN THE, IN THE MAINTENANCE AND THE MANAGEMENT OF THE COURSE. UH, THEY DO A TUESDAY LEAGUE AND FUND FUNDRAISE FOR THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD, WHICH IS A POSSIBILITY FOR US TO DO FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. UH, THERE ARE, UM, PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL ALL OVER TO PLAY, AND THIS WOULD BE A GREAT DESTINATION FOR DISK GOLFERS TO COME AND ENJOY AND WOULD BE GOOD, I THINK, FOR THE ECONOMY AS A WHOLE. AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, TODD. THANKS. OKAY. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL COMMENTS. UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, I THINK IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE NEW PEOPLE COME TO COUNCIL. I LOVE NEW FACES. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY A GREAT THING. AND I THINK WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THAT IT DOES INVOLVE A WHOLE NEW, IT PROVIDES AN AMENITY FOR A WHOLE NEW GROUP OF PEOPLE, UM, OF ALL AGES. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S THIS IDEA THAT IT'S ONLY TEENAGERS, BUT I, I KNOW THAT IT'S A, A WIDE, UH, WIDE AGE GROUP AND IT'S FAMILY FRIENDLY AND IT'S OUTDOORS AND IT DOESN'T COST A FORTUNE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO EAT MCDONALD'S ON IT. SO, UM, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. I THINK YOU'VE PUT THE WORK INTO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEEN DESIGNED AND VETTED SO THAT IT WILL WORK. UM, SO THAT'S IT. I I THINK IT'S, UM, I THINK DISK GOLF, I, TO ME IT'S, IT'S, [03:25:01] I HAVE NO, NO, I, I WANDERED THROUGH THE ONE IN COTTONWOOD AND IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS, , CUZ NO ONE WAS PLAYING IT. SO, YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. AND THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU PUT IN ON, ON MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE BASES WERE COVERED BEFORE YOU CAME. COUNSELOR FURMAN, UH, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE FOR THIS PROJECT. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN AWESOME JOB. UH, AND I REALLY, I THINK COUNSELOR KINSELLA ONE OF US MENTIONED ABOUT GATHERING EVEN THE MAYBE NON-SUPPORTERS INTO THE PROCESS WAS AN AWESOME THING TO DO. GREAT IDEA. I THINK $8,000 IS, YOU KNOW, A MINIMAL EXPENSE AND IT COULD HAVE MADE ME BEEN, I'M GLAD IT CAME TO COUNCIL, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD IDEA AND I LOOK FORWARD TO LOGGING MORE ROUNDS ON THE COURSE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA, THANK YOU. UH, FIRST THERE WAS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION IN HIS THOROUGHNESS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I REALLY WANNA APPLAUD PARKS AND REC FOR LOOKING FOR AND WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO SUGGEST NEW WAYS THAT WE CAN MEET THE RECREATION NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WITH NEW AMENITIES. SO I REALLY WANNA THANK YOU. IT'S A REAL SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS. UM, POSSE GROUNDS PARK, IT IS A CITY PARK. IT'S DESIGNED FOR ACTIVE RECREATION. IT'S NOT A HIKE IN THE FOREST, UM, WHICH IS A MORE PASSIVE USE. POSSE GROUNDS DOES A GREAT JOB, I THINK, OF BALANCING ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES FROM THE SKATE PARK TO INDOOR EVENT SPACE TO BASKETBALL, TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE USE OF THE BALL FIELDS. THIS LIKE I SEE AS ANOTHER GOOD ACTIVE USE THAT BLENDS IN WITH THOSE OTHER ACTIVITIES IN WHAT IS AN ACTIVE RECREATION PARK. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, APPROPRIATELY PLACED, UM, AND INTEGRATES WELL. SO AGAIN, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS. I LOOK FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, GIVING IT A TRY. I'VE NEVER TRIED IT, SO WE'LL SEE HOW MY THROWING ARM GOES. BUT, UM, AGAIN, I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALSO AGAIN FOR GETTING THE SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU DID FROM PEOPLE WHO DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE THAT MAKES THE PROJECT BETTER. SO THANK YOU COUNCIL FOLTZ, UH, THANKS TO PARKS, PARKS AND REC FOR THE PRESENTATION. VERY THOROUGH. UH, JUST AS THE OTHERS HAVE SAID, UH, WHAT IMPRESSES ME MOST IS THAT YOU DID PULL IN THE COMMUNITY THE WAY YOU DID, INCLUDING THE FOLKS THAT HAD EXPRESSED SOME EARLIER COMPLAINTS. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. SO IT GOES TO SHOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HEAR WHAT RESIDENTS HAVE TO SAY ALONG WITH THOSE THAT ARE THE PROPONENTS OF IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THANK YOU ALL SO TO KAREN FOR BRINGING THIS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT FORWARD IN A PUBLIC FORUM FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, COMMENT ON IT. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING IT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ARE YOU GUYS GETTING TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING, WOW, GOOD JOB. NO, WE, NO, THAT ALL . WELL, I LOVE HONESTY, SO GOOD JOB. UM, I AM NOT A DIS GOLFER, HOWEVER, I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DEBBIE DOWNER HERE FOR A SECOND. UM, AS WAS POINTED OUT, THIS IS MY HOME TURF AND I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING OF VARIOUS AGES WALKING THEIR DOGS SUNSET TRAIL, THE OLD CARRUTH TRAIL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT ANYMORE CUZ YOU'VE BEEN TEARING IT APART, UM, FOR THIS AND THAT. UH, BUT I ALSO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN BY WHERE THE HOME IS AT THE SHARP POINT, UP THAT SOCIAL TRAIL THROUGH THE SCRAMBLE, WHICH BRINGS THEM SORT OF SMACK DAB OVER THAT OVERLOOK THAT WAS MENTIONED. AND PEOPLE COME THERE AND THEY SIT THERE AND THEY LOOK AT THE VIEW AND THEY MEDITATE AND THEY DO WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE DOING. AND THAT IS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE IN SEDONA. AND I, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANNA CONSIDER IT AN ACTIVE ACTIVITY OR NOT, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THOSE PEOPLE. SO I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU START TO EXPAND OUT YOUR, ESPECIALLY YOUR TEA PADS, THAT YOU MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO STILL COME THERE TO THAT OVERLOOK AND, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THE PEACE AND SERENITY THAT IS ALSO POSSE GRAHAM. SO, UM, NOW MY REAL DEBBIE DONOR BIT, SORRY, UM, THE GENTLEMAN, SHANE, I BELIEVE, UM, MENTIONED ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE THOUSAND PEOPLE HERE TO PLAY POSSE GRAHAM CAN'T HANDLE THAT KIND OF PARKING. WE KNOW WE'VE ALREADY GOT ALL THE HIKERS AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE PICKLE BALLERS, UH, AND NOW WE'RE ADDING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. SO AS THINGS MATURE THE TOURNAMENT, PLEASE, PLEASE, SIR. YEAH, LET'S NOT JUST CALL OUT PLEASE CUZ YOU'RE NOT, YOU WON'T BE ON A MICROPHONE AND THOSE ON TV WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU ANYWAY, SO, AND WE'D LIKE [03:30:01] EVERYBODY TO BE MICD MIGHT, SO MY POINT BEING IS THAT JUST LIKE WE HAVE THE MOUNTAIN BIKING FESTIVAL WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME TO HAVE A DISCO GOLF FESTIVAL HERE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL UP THERE WHERE THE, WHERE THE COURSE IS. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN ALL AROUND THERE FOR SURE. MY POINT TO YOU IS YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO DO A BIT OF COORDINATION HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PARKING, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE PARKING AROUND THE, THE, YOU KNOW, TRAIL SHUTTLE AND JUST WALKING YOUR TRAIL DOWN. UM, SO, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. IF THIS BECOMES REALLY POPULAR. LET'S MAKE SURE THERE'S PARKING FOR EVERYONE AT POSSE GROUND. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. TRANSPORTATION, ANY COMMENTS? UH, I, I REACTED TO THAT SAME, SORRY SHANE, BUT I REACTED TO IT TOO. JUST BRING MORE PEOPLE HERE. , UH, WHICH WE DON'T WANT. UH, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR AMENITIES REALLY FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND TO, AND, AND FAMILIES IN PARTICULAR. SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO THAT IS COST EFFECTIVE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND THE, AND THAT, AND FAMILY ACTIVITIES THAT THEY CAN DO TOGETHER THAT ARE ACTIVE. I DO SUPPORT, BUT I, I AM WORRIED ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO I WOULD, AND IT DID AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION AND, AND COVERED ALMOST ALMOST ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD. MY CONCERNS ARE JUST ABOUT MONITORING IT AND, AND, AND ADJUSTING AS WE GO ALONG IF WE FIND THAT THERE ARE ISSUES. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, UH, TEMPORARY BEFORE YOU, YOU CEMENT EVERYTHING IN, BUT WHAT IS THAT, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATION ABOUT THAT? WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED A TIMELINE, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE TEMPORARY COURSE HAS BEEN UP FOR A YEAR, RIGHT? AND SO THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES AND GIVES US, YOU KNOW, CONFIDENCE IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PERMANENT TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST IF NEEDED. I WOULD GUESS THAT PROBABLY AS SOON AS WE MAKE THE CHANGE AND THE DISC GOLFERS START USING IT, WE'RE GONNA HEAR RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT SPOKE TONIGHT WILL BE THE FIRST ONES OUT THERE AND WILL LET US KNOW WHAT SHIFTS WE NEED TO MAKE TO, TO KIND OF CORRECT IT. YEAH. AND, AND, AND YOU ARE CLEARLY OPEN TO THAT. YOU'RE VERY FLEXIBLE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. YES, A LOT. SO THANK YOU. I SUPPORT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYBODY ON THE DAY. UH, I, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GIVE MY QUESTIONS. I REALLY WANTED TO GET TO THE AUDIENCE BEFORE, SO I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. UH, I DO REMEMBER THE, UH, INITIAL OUTREACH, UH, AND THE, UH, ABOUT DISC GOLF AND SOME OF THE EMAILS THAT WE RECEIVED BACK. AND THERE WAS ONE THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WHERE PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SEEING DISC GOLF PLAYERS CLIMBING THE TREES TO GET TO THEIR DESKS THAT ARE LOST. UH, AND IT HAPPENS, IT'S, IT'S PART OF, I GET IT, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT DAMAGING THE TREES AND BREAKING, UH, LIMBS OR, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COULD DO ABOUT THAT. HAVE YOU SEEN ANY TYPE OF ISSUE? BECAUSE THIS IS BACK A YEAR AGO, PICTURES. WHAT? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO REFERENCE IS IF YOU CAN SEE IN THE TEMPORARY DISC GOLF COURSE, SO THERE'S A BASKET THERE. OUR PLACEMENT OF BASKETS ARE GONNA BE SIMILAR TO THAT, TO WHERE THE BRUSH IS A DISTANCE AWAY FROM IT TO WHERE IT'S SOMEWHAT OPEN. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TREES AND STUFF KIND OF AS HAZARDS, BUT IF IT'S A PAR THREE, YOU'RE NOT TAKING THAT SHOT FROM THE TEA PAD ALL THE WAY TO THE BASKET. YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ME PLAY DISCO . I'M JUST SAYING YOU WORK YOUR WAY SO THAT WAY YOU'RE AVOIDING THAT. OF COURSE, IT, IT'S POSSIBLE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. THE TREES OUT THERE ARE NOT AT THE SIZE FOR PEOPLE TO BE CLIMBING. THEY ALL LOOK A LOT LIKE THESE DEAD ONES HERE. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE. YEAH. SO NO, I I DO KNOW I'M JU IT'S, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S PROPER SIGNAGE YOU CAN ADD TO IT, LIKE DON'T CLIMB A TREE OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA CHANGE MY OPINION OF THE PROJECT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, UH, THE OUTREACH FROM AND EMAILS FROM BEFORE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STUCK IN MY MIND CUZ WE DID RECEIVE EMAILS BEFORE. UM, WHAT I FOUND INTERESTING IS SOMETHING THAT JOSH SAID AND ON THE DISPLAY WAS A HUNDRED AND, UH, 1,291 ROUNDS, 418 USERS AND NO INJURIES. THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. AND THAT'S A CONCERN. WE HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT WHO WAS VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, INJURIES. AND THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION FOR ME. CAN WE STILL HAVE INJURIES? OF COURSE, WE CAN HAVE A INJURY JUST WALKING OUT, OUT OF THE, THE BUILDING INTO THE PARKING LOT. BUT IT [03:35:01] SHOWS ME, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. UM, DAWN OR JOSH, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY WEDDINGS ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE, UH, UH, SO FOR, FOR YEARS WE HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LOCAL COMMERCIALIZED USERS USING IT, UM, ILLEGALLY WITHOUT PERMISSION. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH SEVERAL OF THEM TO TRY TO NOTIFY THEM OF THE PROCESS TO, UM, USE IT CORRECTLY. THE AREAS THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR THEIR USE IS ACTUALLY OVER MORE TOWARDS THE, UM, PICNIC RAMADA AREA. SO IT'S SEPARATE FROM THAT AREA. THE OTHER THING TOO THAT I WANNA POINT OUT IS WE DID KEEP THE ABILITY FOR THE HIKERS ALONG THAT LEDGE, AND I WISH THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD A VISUAL PICTURE FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE THAT LEDGE IS STILL BEING MAINTAINED FOR THE TRAIL USERS ALONG THERE. OKAY. SO WE STILL HAVE THE BENCHES ALONG THERE FOR THEM TO SIT AND MEDITATE AND HAVE THEIR MOMENT OF SOLACE. SO THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP TOO, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT OUR RESIDENTS DO USE THAT SPACE AS WELL. WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT A COMPROMISE THAT BOTH USERS COULD USE THE SPACE. AND THAT'S PART OF MY CONCERN. AND THE WEDDINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT, I KNOW A PERSON WHO OFFICIATES WEDDINGS, IT'S NOT REALLY A COMMERCIAL USE, IT'S JUST THESE, THESE TWO PEOPLE ARE, ARE WELL KNOWN FOR DOING IT. PEOPLE COME HERE, THEY WANNA GET MARRIED. IT'S, IT IS NOT A WHOLE DOG AND PONY SHOW AND I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE THEM GET INJURED AS WELL. SO, BUT I'M GLAD YOU'RE AWARE OF IT BECAUSE I WASN'T UNTIL THEY BROUGHT ME AT MY ATTENTION. AND WHEN, SIX MONTHS AGO WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, UH, WE WERE DOING A TOUR AND, UM, SOMEBODY HAD CALLED ME AND SAID, BY THE WAY, WE DO WEDDINGS OUT HERE JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, LOCAL PEOPLE. SO, UM, I'M SORRY, I KEEP HEARING SOME CHATTER FROM THE AUDIENCE. COULD YOU REMIND THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, BECAUSE IT DOES GET DISTRACTING FOR UP HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNSELOR. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. DAWN, THIS IS THE, WE, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF GREAT, UH, UH, PRESENTATIONS HERE ON THE DE THIS WAS THE REALLY HAD THE MOST OUTREACH HAD, AND IT CHECKED EVERY BOX OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. AND THE FACT THAT I TOO, LIKE, UH, COUNSELOR FOLTZ SAID TO, TO BRING IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS COUNSELOR FOLTZ. I SAID, YOU BROUGHT IN PEOPLE WHO WERE AGAINST THE PROJECT OR WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROJECT. THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES THAT YOU REALLY DO CARE, WHICH I KNOW YOU, YOU DO, I KNOW YOU DO. BUT IT, IT SHOULD SHOW PEOPLE HOW MUCH YOU CARE. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THIS IS A GREAT, UH, PRESENTATION THAT YOU MADE TODAY. SO, UH, AS FAR AS MY COMMENTS, I'VE BEEN HERE EIGHT, JUST OVER EIGHT YEARS. I SAW THE DOG PARK. I KNOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DOG PARK LATER. THE DOG PARK. WHEN I WOULD GO TO YPI HOUR AND SEE 20 PEOPLE, I NOW GO TO YPI HOUR. I SEE 80 PEOPLE, AND THERE WERE ALMOST ALL RESIDENTS. I WAS TOO CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE EMAILS WE RECEIVED THIS TIME. THREE RESIDENTS, THE REST WERE NOT. BUT I KNOW FROM PREVIOUS TIMES IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THAT THERE ARE RESIDENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CHILDREN. AND THIS IS A PERFECT THING TO DO, TO GET THEM OFF THEIR VIDEO GAMES, GET THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE, GET SOMETHING HEALTHY TO DO, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HIT A BALL. NOT EVERYBODY CAN HIT A, A BALL WITH A BAT. NOT EVERYBODY CAN KICK A BALL, A FOOTBALL RIGHT, OR A SOCCER BALL. BUT YOU COULD, AND ALL KIDS KNOW HOW TO THROW A FRISBEE AND IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO A FRISBEE. SO I, I, I LIKE THIS. I MEAN, PICKLEBALL STARTED THE SAME WAY ALSO. AND I'VE BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER OF PICKLEBALL. IT STARTED WITH A FEW PEOPLE AND NOW I KNOW OF AT LEAST 200 PEOPLE, LOCALS THAT ARE INTO PICKABLE. AND NOW IT'S IN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT EVER MADE IT INTO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. I KNOW THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT GIVING COURSES FOR, FOR, UH, PICKLEBALL. MAYBE ONE DAY THEY'LL GIVE COURSES FOR, UH, DISC GOLF. SO OBVIOUSLY I DO SUPPORT THIS. I THINK IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING REALLY GOOD TO DO. YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE CARE THAT'S NE NECESSARY, THAT'S GONNA TAKE IT. PROTECTING THE SAFETY OF OUR, OF OUR RESIDENTS TO ME IS VERY EVIDENCE. SO, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. SO, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. OKAY. MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED SITE LOCATION FOR THE PERMANENT SEDONA LOOP DISC GOLF COURSE AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. UH, FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO UNANIMOUS UNANIM. GOT YOUR UNANIMOUS OPPOSED. YOU'VE GOT YOUR PICKLEBALL COURT. NO, IT'S JUST, OH, DISC GOLF. THAT TOO. THAT'S COMING TOO. DISC GOLF. THANK YOU. SO, [03:40:02] OKAY. HERE WE'RE GOING TO NOW TALK. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA GO TO, UH, AB [8.e. AB 2910 1) Discussion/possible action regarding authorization to purchase three (3) Microtransit Vehicles for an amount not to exceed $624,546 from Creative Bus Sales through the Arizona State Cooperative Purchasing Contract, and 2) approve an additional $416,364 for the purchase of two (2) additional Microtransit vehicles partially funded by the FTA 5339 Grant award. ] 29 10, UH, DISCUSSED POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AUTHORIZED TO PURCHASE THREE MOTOR TRANSIT VEHICLES FOR THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $624,546 FROM CREATIVE BUS SALES THROUGH THE ARIZONA STATE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING CONTRACT. AND TWO, APPROVE AN ADDITIONAL $416,364 FOR THE PURCHASE OF TWO ADDITIONAL MOTOR TRANSIT VEHICLES, PARTIALLY FUNDED BY THE, UH, FTA 5 30 53 39 GRANT FUND. ROBERT, I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU TODAY. WELCOME EVENING, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. COUNSEL. GOOD TO BE BACK. OH, YEAH, THIS, UH, ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSION WE HAD, UH, BACK IN, YEAH, WE ARE DECEMBER OF 2021, WHEN THIS COUNCIL APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF FIVE MICROT TRANSIT VEHICLES. UH, WE DID ORDER THOSE VEHICLES. UH, THIS WHOLE OUTLINE IS, IS, UH, SUMMARIZED IN YOUR AGENDA BILL. BUT, UH, FA YOU KNOW, IN MAY OF, UH, THIS YEAR, UM, WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT, UH, THE MANUFACTURER STOPPED MAKING THE VEHICLES PUT US BACK ON THE MARKET. SO, UM, WITH ALL THE 2022 CHASSIS COMPLETELY SOLD OUT WITH MANUFACTURING DELAYS AND WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HELPING US BY BEING REIMPOSING, UH, BY AMERICA RULES THAT FURTHER DELAYED US. UH, BUT ANYWAY, HERE WE ARE AGAIN TONIGHT, UH, FOR AUTHORIZATION ON, ON THESE FIVE VEHICLES. UM, VERY QUICKLY, THREE OF THOSE, UH, WE'RE, WE WILL, WE WILL BE PROPOSING THE POTENTIAL OF A LEASE PURCHASE. UM, FINANCE, UH, HAS ASKED TO HAVE SOME TIME TO RESEARCH INTEREST RATES AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS COUNCIL IF THEY FIND VIABLE INTEREST RATES. UH, FOR, FOR THOSE THREE VEHICLES, IT'D BE A DIRECT PURCHASE OFF THE STATE CONTRACT USING THE, UH, LEASE PURCHASE AGREEMENT. THE OTHER ONE IS GRANT RELATED. UM, BASICALLY THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS GRANT, THIS GRANT WAS, UM, IT WAS AWARDED TO US, UM, ACTUALLY IN 2021, BUT THE PRICES HAVE INCREASED SO SUBSTANTIALLY THAT THE AMOUNT, UH, AWARDED TO US IN 2021 PLUS OUR LOCAL MATCH OF 35,000 WOULD'VE PROBABLY BOUGHT TWO VEHICLES BACK THEN. UH, THAT IS NOT THE CASE NOW. UM, WITH THAT GRANT OF 200,000 AND SOME CHANGE, UM, ALONG WITH, UM, A REVISED LOCAL BATCH NOW OF OVER 200,000 FROM THE CITY THAT WILL BUY TWO VEHICLES. SO THE WAY TO LOOK AT THIS GRANT, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU, IT'S ABOUT $4,000 SHORT OF A FREE VEHICLE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, AS WITH ALL GRANTS, WHEN THEY'RE AWARDED THAT THAT GRANT AMOUNT IS LOCKED IN, YOU DON'T GET ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDS BECAUSE PRICES GO UP AND ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, THAT IS FEDERAL. COULD YOU TRY AGAIN? OH, I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU . SORRY ABOUT THAT. I THINK YOUR WATCH IS TALKING TO MY WATCH . IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? ? YEAH. SO ANYWAY, THAT THE GRANT IS PART OF THIS, UM, AT, AT THE END OF ALL THIS HAVE APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL TONIGHT WE WOULD HOPE TO ORDER FIVE MICROT TRANSIT VEHICLES. UH, THE NEW ENGLAND WHEELS, UH, FRONT RUNNER, THAT'S A NEW ADDITION TO THE STATE CONTRACT. THOSE WERE NOT AVAILABLE THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION. THESE, THESE VEHICLES, UH, HAVE A, UH, LARGER CAPACITY, WHICH WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO US IN THIS CLASS BEFORE WITH LOW FLOOR AND, AND ADA ACCESSIBILITY. UM, AND AS YOU GO, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION, KEEP IN MIND THAT IN PUBLIC TRANSIT, WHEN YOU ARE PLANNING YOUR FLEET PROCUREMENTS, YOU WANNA LOOK FOR MAXIMUM CAPACITY. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME PROPERTIES WILL BUY MANY VANS WITH FOUR OR FIVE PASSENGER CAPACITY. UM, I'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD IN CALIFORNIA AND WE, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT. UH, UM, AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT, [03:45:01] YOU KNOW, ALL WE WERE DOING IS DRIVING UP OUR OPERATING EXPENSE BECAUSE WE WERE PUTTING MORE VEHICLES ON THE ROAD TO DO THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK THAT A LARGER VEHICLE WOULD DO. UM, NOT TO MENTION ADDITIONAL CAPITAL OUT OUTLINE. SO IN THE, UM, IN THE, UH, AGENDA PACKET, UM, WE DO SUMMARIZE IT. WE LOOKED AT FOUR DIFFERENT VEHICLES, UH, THAT CAME AVAILABLE ON THE STATE CONTRACT. FINALLY GOT PRICING AFTER WE WORKED THROUGH ALL OF THE BYAM AMERICA, FLY AMERICA, YOU KNOW, ALL THE FTA, UH, CHECK BOXES. WE FINALLY GOT PRICING JUST EARLIER THIS MONTH, AND NOW HERE I AM. UM, THE VEHICLE THAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS BUILT ON THE EXACT SAME CHASSIS THAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVED A YEAR OVER A YEAR AGO. UM, BUT IT IS A, HAS A MUCH LARGER CAPACITY. IT IS NOT A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE TO OPERATE IT. MM-HMM. , WHICH WILL, WHICH WILL DECREASE OUR TRAINING TIME, UH, TO, IN ORDER TO STAFF, UH, THE MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE WHEN WE DE WHEN WE DEPLOY BAD NEWS, OBVIOUSLY IS THE PRICING SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FROM WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION THE LAST TIME. UM, THE WHOLE INDUSTRY'S UP IN ARMS ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK, UH, WE, WE RECOGNIZE WE'RE JUST SIMPLY SHOUTING AT THE RAIN GIVEN, GIVEN THIS POST PANDEMIC, UH, ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN. UM, THAT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS NOW IN TRANSIT POST PANDEMIC. UM, THE OTHER BAD NEWS ABOUT THIS, UH, PROPOSAL IS THAT THE LEAD TIME ON THESE VEHICLES, BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING BUILT TO ORDER, UM, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN PRE PANDEMIC. THEY WERE MASS PRODUCED AND ON THE LOT AND YOU COULD BUY 'EM AND GET 'EM PRETTY QUICKLY. NOW WE'RE IN, IF YOU APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WE WILL GET IN LINE WITH FIVE CHASSIS OF WHICH ONLY 500 ARE AVAILABLE FOR 2023 . UM, SO NOW WE'RE IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UH, MANUFACTURING REALITY. WOW. UM, THE OTHER, SO THAT PIECE OF THAT NEWS BASICALLY WILL FURTHER DELAY THE MICRO CHANCE TO DEPLOYMENT UNTIL, UH, LATE SUMMER, POTENTIALLY EARLY FALL, UH, JUST BASED ON VEHICLE DELIVERY AND SOME OF THE MAN AT 2023. 2023. OKAY. THANK. OKAY. JUST WANNA BE SURE THE WAY YOU'RE TALKING, I WAS THINKING IT WAS 24. OKAY. 20, 20, 23. CORRECT. SO COULD I, SO THIS NEXT SUMMER, NEXT FALL, UM, I DON'T HAVE A ACTUAL DELIVERY DATE. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT AS THAT CRYSTAL BALL CLEARS UP, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THAT WITH FUTURE UPDATES OF THIS COUNCIL. SO THAT'S, UM, PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAVE. I DIDN'T HAVE THE POWERPOINT, I COULDN'T BRING A VEHICLE. I WOULD'VE LIKED TO, I CAN'T GET AHOLD OF ONE . SO WE DID, BY THE WAY, ON THIS PARTICULAR VEHICLE, WE DID HAVE, UH, THE VEHICLE HERE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, A PROTOTYPE. AND THE CONTRACTOR DROVE IT ALL OVER THE CITY. IT IS EASILY MANEUVERABLE IN AND OUT OF PARKING LOTS, SOME OF OUR TIGHT STREETS. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE OUR MEDIUM DUTY BUSES THAT ARE SERVING THE TRAIL HEADS. THIS IS A MUCH MORE AGILE VEHICLE. UH, SAME, LIKE I SAID, SAME, UM, CHASSIS, SAME POWERTRAIN, SIX CYLINDER, UM, THAT TYPE OF THING. 14, UH, PASSENGER CAPACITY. UH, WITH THE NEW MODELS THAT ARE ROLLING OUT, THEY WON'T PUT BIKE RACKS ON THE EXTERIOR CAUSE IT INTERFERES WITH THE, UM, UH, COLLISION AVOIDANCE SENSORS BOTH ON THE FRONT AND REAR BUMPERS. SO WITH THIS VEHICLE, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH A MANUFACTURER AND THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL TWO INTERIOR MOUNT BIKE RACKS, ACTUALLY IN THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT THAT WOULD SHARE A SPACE WITH THE WHEELCHAIR SECUREMENT, UH, AREA. AND THE WAY THAT THAT WORKS, IF, IF SOMEBODY BOARDS AT A MOBILITY AID OR WHEELCHAIR, THEY WOULD RECEIVE PRIORITY OVER SOMEBODY WITH A BIKE, WHICH WE BELIEVE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE. UH, THAT'S DONE, UH, IN TRANSIT PROPERTIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAVE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT VEHICLE OR OTHER VEHICLES WE LOOKED AT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU ROBERT. OKAY. I KNOW JESSICA, COUNSEL WILLIAMSON HAD SOMETHING SHE WANTED TO SAY, SO WHY DON'T WE STOP THIS. NO, I, I, MY WATCH AND HIS WATCH SOLVED IT. OKAY. ALREADY. SO THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THIS? THE TOPIC? I, I, I'LL HOLD UNTIL COMMENTS. OKAY. QUESTIONS. COUNCILOR FURMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, ROBERT, I'D JUST LIKE YOU TO TAKE [03:50:01] US BACK THROUGH THE ALTERNATE PROPULSION SYSTEM CONCLUSION THAT YOU MADE, UH, AS WELL THAT'S SPECIFIC TO BATTERY ELECTRIC OR YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. HAPPY TO THE, WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT FOUR DIFFERENT VEHICLES, THREE OF WHICH HAD GAS PROPULSION, ONE OF WHICH HAD A BATTERY ELECTRIC PROPULSION. THE FORD ERAN VAN WAS FULLY BATTERY ELECTRIC. UM, IT IS AVAILABLE ON THE STATE CONTRACT. UM, IT'S ACTUALLY CONSIDERABLY LESS EXPENSIVE. UM, ABOUT 125,000 PER UNIT. UM, THE CAPACITY IS LESS. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A CAPACITY OF APPROXIMATELY FIVE TO SIX AMBULATORY PASSENGERS OR ONE WHEELCHAIR. UM, WHEN, WHEN WE SAY AMBULATORY IT, IT SWITCHES OFF. SO IF, IF YOU'RE NOT UTILIZING THE WHEELCHAIR POSITION, YOU CAN HANDLE MAXIMUM AMBULATORY PEOPLE. IF THE WHEELCHAIR'S ON BOARD, IT'S GONNA DECREASE YOUR, YOUR AMBULATORY CAPACITY. SO IT HAD A LOW CAPACITY. UM, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR VEHICLE, UH, THE, THE TOWN OF MARICOPA, DID I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY? . OKAY. THEY, THEY ACTUALLY REQUESTED A DEMO OF, OF THIS VEHICLE FOR THEIR MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE. AND THEY RAN IT FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS ON THEIR MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE. AND IN MY CORRESPONDENCE WITH THEIR TRANSIT MANAGER, THEY WERE REALLY DISAPPOINTED, UH, WITH THE VEHICLE. UM, IN THAT IT'S, IT WOULD HIT A LOW STATE OF CHARGE AFTER ONLY LIKE 80 MILES. NOW NORMALLY THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM IN TRANSIT BECAUSE WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS LOOK AT OPPORTUNITY CHARGING TO EXTEND RANGE. UM, BUT THAT REQUIRES A HIGH CAPACITY CHARGE. THIS VEHICLE, THE WAY FORD DESIGNED IT, IT'S USING BATTERY PACKS THAT ARE LEVEL TWO COMPLIANT, BUT DO NOT RECOMMEND REGULAR CHARGING WITH FAST, UH, DC CHARGING OR LEVEL THREE CHARGING. IT BASICALLY COOKS THE BATTERIES AND THEN YOUR BATTERY LIFE IS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, REDUCED . SO THAT'S ANOTHER FALLBACK OF THE VEHICLE. MARICOPA TURNED THE VEHICLE BACK IN AND BASICALLY, UM, THEY, THEY UM, ARE STILL IN THE MARKET. IT JUST WASN'T GONNA DO THE JOB. THAT'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE STATE CONTRACT. IT CHECKS ALL THE BOXES, IT CHECKS ALL THE BYAM AMERICA BOXES. IT CHECKS THE FTA ALTOONA CHECK, UH, REQUIREMENTS. IT'S ACTUALLY EXEMPT FROM THAT THAT UH, THAT UH, TESTING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MASS PRODUCED AND HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH ALL THE FEDERAL TESTING. IT HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED FROM THE, YOU KNOW, FROM UH, THE, THE VEHICLE MANUFACTURER. SO IT CHECKS ALL THE BOXES, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY EIGHT OF THEM FROM MY MATH, LOOKING AT THE BLOCKING IN OUR SPAN OF SERVICE TO DO THE WORK OF FOUR VEHICLES FOR OUR MICRO CHANCE IT AS PLANT. NOW THAT LED ME, UM, UM, COUNSELOR FURMAN TO LOOK AT OTH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE CAN WE LOOK AT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BATTERY ELECTRIC, UH, AS MUCH AS ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM, IF NOT MORE SO. BUT TRYING TO FIND THAT RIGHT PRODUCT IS NOT EASY. UM, SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT REPOWERS. A REPOWER IS OKAY, UH, A MAJOR VEHICLE MANUFACTURER, DODGE FORD, GM, THEY BUILD A VAN OR THEY BUILD A MINIVAN OR THEY BUILD A VEHICLE, COMES OFF THE MANUFACTURING LINE, A THIRD PARTY MANUFACTURER THEN PULLS OUT THE PROPULSION SYSTEM AND COMPLETELY REPOWERS THE VEHICLE WITH BATTERY. ELECTRIC PROBLEM IS THAT TRIGGERS AN ALTOONA TESTING BECAUSE WE ARE USING FTA DOLLARS EVEN IN THE SMALL PART OF OUR PROCUREMENT. RIGHT? SO THEY HAVEN'T SENT, I COULD NOT FIND A VEHICLE THAT HAS GONE TO ALTOONA BEYOND THAT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH A THIRD PARTY REPOWER, THE VEHICLE DISTRIBUTORS CREATIVE BUS AND THEIR COMPETITOR, I THINK IT'S UH, CHEKI BUCKS BUS SALES. THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, BUSINESS HERE IN ARIZONA. BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BOTH OF THEM. THEY'RE WALKING AWAY FROM THE REPOWERS CUZ THEY CAN'T FIND ANYONE THAT WILL PROVIDE LOCAL MAINTENANCE SUPPORT FOR THAT NEW PROPULSION SYSTEM. SO IT'S FINDING THAT THAT RIGHT PIECE, I THINK THEY'LL GET IT TOGETHER, UM, OVER THE YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, CITI CAN WAIT FOR ITS MICROT TRANSITS OR WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH [03:55:01] GAS PROPULSION. UH, THESE HAVE ABOUT A F THE VEHICLES THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT HAVE ABOUT A FIVE YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, LIFE LIFESPAN OR USEFUL LIFE. UM, AND WE CAN, IF WE EXPAND THE FLEET, WE CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR TECHNOLOGIES AND LOOK FOR VEHICLES. AND, AND I KNOW THE STATE IS ALSO, CUZ IT'S THE WHOLE TRANSIT DISTRICT IS, OR I'M SORRY NOT DISTRICT, THE WHOLE TRANSIT INDUSTRY IS PUSHING THEM TO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR VIABLE BATTERY ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THIS CLASS OF VEHICLE THAT CAN BE USED FOR THEIR PARATRANSIT, MICROT TRANSIT. UM, AND, AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, LIGHT DUTIES, UH, TRANSIT SERVICES. UM, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH HEAVY DUTY EQUIPMENT. IF I WAS HERE TONIGHT, UM, TALKING ABOUT 35 OR 40 FOOT BUSES, THEY'VE ALL BEEN ALTOONA TESTED. THEY GOT RANGES UP TO 140 TO 160 MILES. THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN THIS CLASS OF VEHICLE. HUH UH SO DID THAT. IT DID. I APPRECIATE YOU WALKING US BACK THROUGH THAT. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ASK THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS REPEATEDLY. I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S WORTH GOING BACK THROUGH IT EVERY TIME WE DO IT. FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT IN THE KNOW MARICOPA IS FLAT, FLAT, FLAT TRAIN. WE'RE NOT FLAT TRAIN HERE. SO THAT'S A ANOTHER ELEMENT TO THAT EQUATION. BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT, THAT THIS COUNCIL IS GETTING LESS AND LESS COMFORTABLE WITH JUST ANECDOTAL DATA. AND ONE STORY IS NOT NECESSARILY TOO IMPRESSIVE WITH ME. HAVE YOU, WERE THERE OTHER SOURCES THAT WERE TELLING YOU ABOUT BAD? YEAH, WE REACHED OUT. BASICALLY, I, I NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE DISTRIBUTORS GOES WHO, WHO ARE RUNNING THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IN A TRANSIT ENVIRONMENT. I COULD NOT GET ANYTHING BACK CUZ THERE WERE THESE, THESE E TRANSITS WERE ALSO NEW TO THE, UM, STATE CONTRACT. SO THAT IS ANADOL AND, BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IT IS ACTUAL TRANSIT EXPERIENCE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WE DID NOT LIKE ABOUT THE VEHICLE. WE MEANING MYSELF AND THE CONTRACTOR THAT HAS TO OPERATE THEM MB THE HEIGHTS OF THE VEHICLE. THESE ARE HIGH FLOOR VEHICLES THAT DOES NOT HELP PEOPLE WITH ELDERLY OR DISABLED FOR BOARDING. UH, THE ONE THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS A LOW FLOOR VEHICLE. WE DID NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT IT HAD A REAR, UH, WHEELCHAIR LIFT CONFIGURATION THAT IS A SAFETY PROBLEM IN TRANSIT BECAUSE IT FORCES US INTO PARKING LOTS AND ROADWAYS TO BOARD OR A LIGHT, A WHEELCHAIR. WE HAVE SIDE MOUNTED, UH, TYPICALLY CURBSIDE MOUNTED SO THAT YOU CAN BOARD PEOPLE FROM THE CURB SAFELY. YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THEM OUT INTO THE PARKING LOT OR INTO A ROADWAY. SO WE DIDN'T LIKE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WITH THE, THE VEHICLE EITHER. OTHER THAN THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE SPAN OF SERVICES PLAN FOR MICRO TRANSIT, 11 AND A HALF HOURS PER OPERATING DAY, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY ABOUT 40% MORE VEHICLES. YEAH. AND IF I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD AS IF ALL OF THOSE REASONS WERE NOT ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF MARICOPA HAD A ROUSING SUCCESS WITH THIS PARTICULAR VEHICLE, THE REALITY OF MARICOPA AND METRO AREA IN RURAL ARIZONA IN TERMS OF AVAILABILITY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO KNOW HOW TO WORK ON THESE VEHICLES, WE'RE EXPERIENCING THOSE CHALLENGES WITH OUR HYBRIDS HAVING TO, IN CERTAIN CASES, TOW THEM TO PHOENIX , WHICH IS NOT INEXPENSIVE FOR WORK BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT SUFFICIENT, UM, MECHANICS HERE IN, IN THE VERDE VALLEY. SO FOR FULL BATTERY ELECTRIC, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET. UM, WE'RE GETTING THERE AND WE WILL BE, BUT IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE AS WELL. YEP. AND IS THERE A LINKAGE THAT THOSE WERE FORD VEHICLES AS WELL, WEREN'T THEY? YEAH. AND DO WE KNOW, IS IT THE SAME BATTERY TECHNOLOGY ARE THEY TRYING TO USE IN THE TRANSIT AS THE VEHICLES? THAT I DO NOT KNOW. THAT I DON'T KNOW. ALRIGHT. WELL I APPRECIATE YOUR THOROUGHNESS IN DIGGING INTO THIS. I KNOW YOU ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I WOULD'VE, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE HAD BETTER NEWS ON THE BATTERY ELECTRO FRONT, UM, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'S PASSED. BUT THE, THE TECHNOLOGY'S NOT THERE. THE SUPPORT AS, AS, AS KAREN HAS POINTED OUT, IS SIMPLY NOT THERE. UM, WE HOPE TO SEE THAT CHANGE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT. WE DID LOOK AT OTHER, I DID GET PRICING BY THE WAY, ON A REPOWER, UM, WHICH IS THE EXACT SAME VEHICLE THAT WE ORDERED THE LAST TIME. IT'S A DODGE, UH, PRO BASTER AND IT'S A REPOWER, YOU KNOW, [04:00:01] DOESN'T CHECK ALL THE BOXES, THE ALTOONA, NONE OF THAT'S BEEN DONE. UH, THEY'RE ASKING 312,000 A VEHICLE FOR THAT WITHOUT ANY MAINTENANCE SUPPORT. UM, THAT'S THE MARKET WE'RE IN. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCILOR KINSELLA, THANK YOU. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, UM, MOMENTS UP HERE THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FACED WITH CONFLICTING GOALS AND CONFLICTING, YOU KNOW, VALUES, WHICH IS ONE I WANNA SEE MICROT TRANSIT GET UNDERWAY. AND TWO, I REALLY WANT US TO BE MOVING TOWARD OUR GREEN FLEET GOALS. SO, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU SHARE THIS PAIN OF THOSE CONFLICTING VALUES, BUT MY QUESTIONS ARE, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS IS THE SIZE OF THE BATTERY OPERATED VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOWER PASSENGER CAPACITY. BUT MY ONE QUESTION IS 14 PASSENGER VEHICLE THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THAT IS STILL, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF ITS ABILITY TO, PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO STAY ON A ROUTE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU PICK UP THE 14 TO MOVE THEM EFFICIENTLY VERSUS RUNNING HERE AND THERE TO PICK UP. CUZ YOU CAN ONLY PICK FIVE, WHICH ACTUALLY MIGHT TURN INTO FASTER SERVICE. SO I WANTED TO TALK, I WANTED YOU TO TALK TO US MORE ABOUT THE PASSENGER SIZE AND WHY 14 YOU THINK IS THE OPTIMAL NUMBER VERSUS A SMALLER CAPACITY. AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION, CUZ IT'S GONNA BE RELATED, IS THAT A SMALLER VEHICLE AS WELL MAY, YOU KNOW, USE EVEN THOUGH, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 80 MILE RANGE, BUT SINCE THEY'RE SMALLER AND DOING SHORTER TRIPS THAN THEORY IN THEORY CUZ THEY'RE NOT DOING A LONG ROUTE TO DROP 14 PEOPLE OFF, THEY'VE GOT A SHORTER ROUTE WITH FIVE PEOPLE THAT THE RANGE, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT THAT COULD BE AN OFFSET? SO THOSE ARE THE TWO RELATED QUESTIONS FOR NOW. SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE, THIS VEHICLE, AND I THOUGHT I LOOKED AT IT PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSELY. THE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE MODELING FOR MICROT TRANSIT, UM, THEY'RE PROJECTING EACH VEHICLE FOR VEHICLES IN SERVICE TO START WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD OVER THE SPAN OF 11 AND A HALF HOURS, POTENTIALLY BE UP TO 130 MILES A DAY PER VEHICLE. SO WE HAVE A VEHICLE, THIS BATTERY LECTURED THAT WOULD GIVE US POTENTIALLY 80 MILES. I I EVEN CALCULATED AT 90 BEFORE IT HIT A LOW, UH, STATE OF CHARGE. NO MATTER HOW I BLOCKED IT, NO MATTER HOW I LOOKED AT IT, UM, IT, THE MATH CAME UP THE SAME. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUY, YOU KNOW, UP TO EIGHT OF THOSE IN ORDER TO DO THE WORK OF FOUR VEHICLES. AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE CHARGE, THE COST OF THE CHARGING STATIONS, LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATIONS. THEY'RE NOT LEVEL THREE COMPATIBLE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TRANSIT WITH ELECTRIFICATION. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR OPPORTUNITY CHARGING TO EXTEND THE RANGE. RATHER THAN BUYING A NEW VEHICLE. WE WANT TO PUT IN A CHARGER STRATEGICALLY WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA WHERE THE BUS CAN, THE BUS OR THE VEHICLE CAN TAKE AN OPER, A HIGH CAPACITY CHARGE OVER A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, 10 MINUTES, 15 MINUTES TO EXTEND ITS RANGE BY 20, 30 MILES. THAT IS NOT AN OPTION FOR THIS VEHICLE. THAT'S AN THEY'RE LEVEL TWO COMPATIBLE, WHICH MEANS THAT'S UP TO AN EIGHT HOUR CHARGE, UH, TO GET A FULL CHARGE BACK ONTO THE VEHICLE. SO IN THE MIDDLE OF A SERVICE DAY, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION JUST TO PULL IT, PULL IT OFFLINE AND HOOK IT TO A LEVEL TWO AND HELP HOPE TO SEND IT BACK OUT. SO THAT'S ON THE RANGE. THE RANGE PART OF IT, AND I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION ON THE CAPACITY PART OF IT. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT CAPACITY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED THIS DIALOGUE THIS EVENING IN PUBLIC TRANSIT, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO TRY TO DEVELOP YOUR FLEET SO THAT YOU HAVE MAXIMUM CAPACITY. CAN A FIVE OR SIX VEHICLE CAPACITY WORK? POTENTIALLY YES. DURING LOWER PERIODS WHEN WE HIT PEAK DEMAND, I'M NOT SO SURE. SO YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH CAPACITY AS YOU CAN. AND THE OTHER THING WITH THESE VEHICLES, AND AS WE DEVELOP THIS PUBLIC TRANSIT, UH, SERVICE HERE IN SEDONA, THIS VEHICLE, BECAUSE IT HAS THE 14 CAPAC, UH, I'M SORRY, 14, UH, PASSENGER CAPACITY, IT PROVIDES US FLEXIBILITY. IT CAN SERVE MICROT TRANSIT, IT CAN SERVE AS WHAT WE CALL CUT-INS FOR SAY THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. IT CAN SERVE [04:05:01] THE ADA PARATRANSIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. SHOULD IT BE NEEDED. THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS TO BE TURNING PEOPLE AWAY CUZ YOU JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SEATS. UM, CAN WE GO TO A LOWER CAPACITY VEHICLE? YES. MY EXPERIENCE AND MIKE CRYSTAL BALL SAYS WE'RE GONNA WIND UP BUYING MORE VEHICLES AND AS SOON AS WE DEPLOY MORE VEHICLES, WE'RE GONNA BE DRIVING UP OUR OPERATING COSTS. MM-HMM. BECAUSE EACH HOUR AND EVERY MINUTE, EVERY BUS IS OUT THERE THAT COSTS THE CITY MORE MONEY. SO THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IS TO TRY TO DEPLOY VEHICLES IN YOUR SYSTEM THAT CAN DO THE JOB WITHOUT HAVING TO DEPLOY ADDITIONAL VEHICLES TO HANDLE THESE PEAK DEMAND PERIODS. UNTIL SUCH TIME, AND I I, I'VE KITTED AROUND WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THIS UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THEY DEVELOP A VEHICLE THAT CAN SHRINK AND EXPAND ON DEMAND. WE, WE WANT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, AS BEST AS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, KEEP OUR CAPACITY AT THE HIGHER LEVELS, UM, AS, AS WE DEPLOY THE SERVICES. SO, OKAY. SO FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, YOU SAID THE 14 PASSENGER VANS THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING HAVE A FIVE YEAR USABLE LIFESPAN GENERALLY ON THE SMALLER BATTERY VEHICLE. WHAT WOULD THE USER LIFESPAN BE ON THAT? UM, I'M GONNA HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT COUNSELOR, BUT I, THREE YEARS COMES TO MIND. POSSIBLY FOUR. I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT. AND AGAIN, UH, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'D HAVE TO BUY EIGHT TO DO THE WORK OF FOUR BIGGER ONES, BUT THERE ARE ABOUT HALF THE PRICE OTHER THAN THE VEHICLE CHARGING STATION COSTS, BUT VEHICLE TO VEHICLE, THAT WOULD BE A WASH IN TERMS OF EIGHT TO FOUR WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT THE SAME MONEY. RIGHT. EXCEPT THAT WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE CHARGING STATIONS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND THE PRICE ON THE CHARGING STATIONS. MM-HMM. , UM, I HAVE SOME LOOSE NUMBERS ON THAT. UM, I KNOW ALICIA WAS LOOKING AT GOING OUT TO GET SOME FORMAL BIDS, BUT I WANT TO SAY FOR A LEVEL TWO, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 60, 80,000 PER, OR AM I TOO HIGH? I HAVE NO NUMBERS ON CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE. ALL OF OUR CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE INSTALLED IN TOWN HAS BEEN FREE TO US. SO WE ARE PLANNING ON GOING OUT TO RFI UH, STARTING THIS MONTH TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO ACTUALLY INSTALL CHARGERS. SOME OF THE COMPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING THOUGH IS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DECIDE THE LOCATION. AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF ARE HAVING CURRENTLY IS DO WE WANNA SPEND THE MONEY INSTALLING CHARGERS AT OUR CURRENT LOCATIONS KNOWING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE OUT OF SPACE ALREADY AT CITY HALL? IS THAT THE BEST PLACE TO BE PUTTING THOSE? SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. KAREN BROUGHT UP ANOTHER VERY KEY ISSUE ABOUT AVAILABILITY OF MECHANICS TO WORK ON THESE VEHICLES HERE. THAT WAS ANOTHER FACTOR THAT WENT INTO THE DECISION MAKING RECENTLY, WE'VE ALSO FOUND OUT THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY TO CHECK TO SEE IF OUR BUILDINGS HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL ENERGY NEEDED TO ENERGIZE THOSE CHARGERS WHEREVER WE DO INSTALL THEM AT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS AT PLAY IN THIS DECISION MAKING PROCESS. UM, IT'S NOT AS CUT AND DRY AS WE JUST PAY SOMEBODY TO INSTALL CHARGERS. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO GO INTO THAT BEFOREHAND. UM, BUT THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT WEIGHED IN IN THIS DECISION MAKING THAT ROBERT'S EXPLAINING TO YOU AT THIS POINT. AND, AND ONE MORE THING, IF I COULD ADD THAT THAT HASN'T YET BEEN DISCUSSED ABOUT THE, THE FIVE PASSENGER CAPACITY VERSUS 14 PASSENGER CAPACITY, IS THAT PART OF OUR GOAL WITH TRANSIT IS ALSO GETTING INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL OCCUPANCY VEHICLES OFF THE ROAD. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO IN ONE FOR ONE OR TWO FOR ONE IN THE FIRST SCENARIO IN MAYBE FIVE OR SIX TO ONE IN THE SECOND SCENARIO. SO IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND JUST SHEER NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, THE LARGER CAPACITY HELPS IN THAT AS WELL. CAN I TAG ON WITH A CHARGER? SO THESE, THESE SMALLER VEHICLES REQUIRE A LEVEL TWO CHARGER, RIGHT? THEY'RE LEVEL TWO COMPATIBLE. LEVEL TWO, WHAT ARE WE INSTALLING IN THE REST OF THE CITY? ARE WE INSTALLING LEVEL TWOS OR ARE WE INSTALLING LEVEL THREES? THE CHARGERS THAT WERE JUST INSTALLED AT SUNSET ARE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS. OKAY. THE CHARGERS THAT WERE INSTALLED AT POLICY GROUNDS ARE, UH, DC FAST CHARGERS. OKAY. UM, HOWEVER, WE HAVE 10 TOTAL EV CHARGERS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. I'M JUST, THE QUESTION, I GUESS, AND THE UNDERLYING QUESTION IS, IS A LEVEL TWO CHARGER SORT OF INVESTING IN WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY OLD TECHNOLOGY, UM, AS OPPOSED TO NEW TECHNOLOGY, WHICH I'M ASSUMING WOULD BE A LEVEL THREE AND WOULD BE BE REPLACING THE LEVEL TWO? THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER LEVEL TWO INVESTING IN LEVEL [04:10:01] TWO CHARGERS IS INVESTING IN OLDER TECHNOLOGY FROM, FROM A TRANSIT PERSPECTIVE. THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES. THANK YOU. THE TRANSIT INDUSTRY IS NOT INTERESTED IN EIGHT HOUR CHARGING. WE CALL IT IN IN DEPOT CHARGING, WHICH THE TRANSIT INDUSTRY STARTED WITH. THEY'RE LOOKING MORE FOR, UH, FAST CHARGING OPPORTUNITY CHARGING TO SAVE MONEY ON, ON, UM, YOU KNOW, BUSES, WHEN YOU BUY A FULL SIZE BUS, UH, 35, 40 FOOT, THAT'S 1.1 MILLION, UH, FOR A BATTERY ELECTRIC BUS ON AVERAGE. SO IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT IN OPPORTUNITY CHARGING TO EXTEND THAT RANGE VERSUS BUYING MORE ROLLING STOCK, PARTICULARLY AT THESE PRICES. SO I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION AND IT'S IN A DIFFERENT AREA. CAN I JUST PIGGYBACK THEN? SURE. SO ALICIA, THIS A QUESTION FOR YOU. SO DO YOU SUPPORT THIS RECOMMENDATION TO BUY GASOLINE VEHICLES? I DID, MA'AM. THAT SHOULD BE IN THE AGENDA PACKET. I'M SORRY, WHAT? I, I DID, MA'AM, THAT SHOULD BE IN THE AGENDA PACKET WITH IT IS. I JUST WANNA HEAR YOU SAY IT. YES, MA'AM. UH, ROBERT AND I DID COLLABORATE ON THIS. HE EXPLAINED, UM, WHERE HE'S GOT AREA OF EXPERTISE AND I EXPLAINED WHERE I HAVE EXPERTISE, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE I GOT TO FLEX MY, UH, ECONOMICS, SUSTAINABILITY MUSCLES AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE BUYING AN EV VEHICLE FOR THE SAKE OF BUYING AN EV VEHICLE IF WE HAVE TO PURCHASE TWO AND CHARGERS AND DO AN AUDIT ON OUR BUILDINGS WHEN WE CAN GET GAS POWERED VEHICLES RIGHT NOW THAT WE KNOW WILL MEET OUR NEEDS. I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE, UH, WE SHOULD WAIT ON THAT AND WAIT FOR BETTER PRODUCTS TO COME ON THE STATE CONTRACT FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, MA'AM. IF I MAY, THE, UM, THE CONSENSUS WITH THE VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS AND PARTICULARLY THE DISTRIBUTORS, IS THE TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING SO QUICKLY THAT, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR IF WE PUT IN FOR A NEW GRANT, YOU KNOW, FOR 53 39 FUNDS, WE MAY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS AND CAN START TO INFUSE, YOU KNOW, VIABLE, UH, BATTERY ELECTRIC TECHNOLOGY INTO THE TRANSIT FLEET EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER, AND THEN RETIRE SOME OF THESE GAS VEHICLES AS AS, AS THEY HIT THEIR FIVE YEAR MARK. I RECALL HEARING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT LAST YEAR THOUGH. , UM, HAD TO GET THAT IN. I'M SORRY. UM, I'M GONNA MOVE TO MY OTHER AREA OF QUESTION, WHICH IS YOU SAID THAT, UM, THE VEHICLES THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DO NOT REQUIRE COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE. DOES THAT MEAN THEY DO NOT COM COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE CLASS A OR ONE HOWEVER THEY'RE REFERRED TO, OR IT'S CLASS C IN ARIZONA? SO WHAT IS REQUIRED, JUST A REGULAR, JUST REGULAR PASSENGER VEHICLE DRIVER'S LICENSE, NOT EVEN A CHAUFFEUR'S LICENSE OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. THAT'S THE LICENSE. MVS GONNA STILL TRAIN THEM. MM-HMM. , UM, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING FROM DRIVER SAFETY TO ALL THAT BEFORE THEY'RE KICK 'EM OUT, UH, KICK 'EM LOOSE FOR INDEPENDENT DUTY. BUT THE WHAT, LIKE WITH OUR CURRENT DRIVERS, THEY'RE DOING THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES, UM, THEY'RE CLASS C CERTIFIED. UM, A LOT OF 'EM WE'VE HIRED, UH, OR NOT WE, BUT MV IS HIRED WITHOUT THAT CERTIFICATION. SO MV IS, IS ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF CERTIFICATION. IT'S 120 HOURS OF TRAINING BETWEEN JUST THE IN-HOUSE TRAINING FOR NORMAL SAFETY OPERATIONS, ADA, ALL THE STUFF THE FDA REQUIRES US TO TRAIN 'EM ON. SO THE GOOD NEWS WITH THESE VEHICLES IS THEY DO NOT REQUIRE THAT CLASS C. SO THAT COULD CUT DOWN ON, ON SOME OF OUR TRAINING HOURS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST? I'M MUST SEEING BRIAN THING. BRIAN, DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD? CAN. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL DUN. THANK YOU. SO, UM, THANK YOU ROBERT, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PATIENCE OF KEEP SHOWING UP AND TELLING US THE SAME THING APPARENTLY. SO, UM, YOU, YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY GOES FORWARD AND YOU APPLY FOR ANOTHER GRANT, AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE POTENTIALLY TO FIND HYBRIDS OR FULLY ELECTRIC, UM, SMALL MID-SIZE BUSES. UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T RESOLVE THE PROBLEM OF FINDING PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THEM FOR US. CORRECT. OR TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE RIGHT SETS OF CHARGERS IN PLACE AND TO ALSO HAVE BUILDINGS INSPECTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HANDLE THE CAPACITY. UM, OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING? SO YOU STILL HAVE TO GET ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IN LINE AS WELL? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT ON A PARALLEL COURSE, WE ARE LOOKING AT DESIGNING AND BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTING A TRANSIT MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS FACILITY, WHICH WOULD BE PRE [04:15:01] PLUMBED, IF NOT COMPLETELY PLUMB FOR BATTERY ELECTRIC SUPPORT. AND THEN MOVING INTO PROVIDING, UM, DIRECT SUPPORT, MAINTENANCE SUPPORT FOR OUR TRANSIT FLEET, WHICH MEANS THAT, UH, THE CITY OR ITS CONTRACTORS WOULD, WOULD BE CERTIFYING OUR OWN MECHANICS TO DO THAT WORK, UH, THROUGH THE MANUFACTURERS. UH, QUITE OFTEN WHEN YOU BUY A BATTERY ELECTRIC BUS AND THE TRANSIT WORLD, UH, MECHANIC TRAINING COMES WITH THAT PRICE TAG, IN OTHER WORDS, THE MANUFACTURER WILL HELP US CERTIFY THOSE THAT IS LONGER TERM. SO THAT'S ON A PARALLEL COURSE. UM, UNTIL THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELY ON, PARTICULARLY IN THIS CLASS OF VEHICLE, IF IT'S A FORD VEHICLE, CAN THE LOCAL FORD DEALERSHIP IN CAMP VERDE MAINTAIN IT? UM, I DID TALK TO THEM ABOUT MAINTAINING THESE, UM, ERAN VANS AND HE GOES, OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, SURE, WE WE CAN DO THAT. AND THEN THE CONVERSATION, THE CONVERSATION QUICKLY TURNED INTO HIM TRYING TO SELL ME THEM . AND I, SO I DIDN'T GET A REAL SENSE OF THE WHOLE LOT OF EXPERIENCE GOING ON THERE. YOU KNOW, WITH OUR HYBRIDS, I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH CREATIVE BUS AND WE'RE CREATIVE BUS SALES WHO HAS THEIR OWN MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT CERTIFIED, UM, HANSEN'S FLEET REPAIR IN CAMP VERDE TO DO ALL OF OUR WARRANTY WORK. THAT'S HELPED QUITE A BIT WITH DEADHEAD TIME. YOU KNOW, IT'S PATCHWORK IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, IT'S PATCHWORK UNTIL WE HAVE OUR OWN FULLY FUNCTIONING FACILITY THAT CAN MAINTAIN OUR FLEET BATTERY, ELECTRIC, UM, HYDROGEN FUEL CELL, IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD. THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT LEVEL OF TRAINING, I WOULD PREFER TO BRING IN-HOUSE AND HAVE QUALITY CONTROL OVER IT, UH, FOR OUR FLEET. SO, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS REALLY CLEAR. I WAS ASKING THAT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AROUND THE FACT THAT EVEN IF YOU CAME BACK NEXT YEAR, IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE. AND I AM IN SUPPORT OF US GETTING MICROT TRANSITS STARTED EVEN WITH FUEL BASED MM-HMM. COUNCIL FULTZ, ROBERT, MY QUESTIONS HAVE LARGELY BEEN ANSWERED SO FAR, SO I'M JUST GONNA ASK A REALLY NAIVE ONE HERE. IS THERE ANY NEGOTIABILITY AT ALL ON THE PRICING THAT'S LOCKED INTO THE STATE CONTRACT? AND YOU KNOW, THOSE, I'M JUST AS SHOCKED AS EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AS TO HOW MUCH THAT PRICING INCREASE OVER THE COURSE AS IS THE INDUSTRY. BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WHEN THEY GO OUT TO BID, UM, THE STATE GOES OUT TO BID, THAT'S CONSIDERED REALLY GOOD PRICES. SO, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT I LOOKED AT AT, LIKE, I THINK I MENTIONED EARLIER WHEN I GOT A PRICING ON A REPOWERED, BATTERY ELECTRIC DIDN'T HAVE ANY TO SUPPORT ALL THOSE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. IT'S 312,000, UH, PER PER UNIT, UM, WHICH IS A PROBABLY A LOT MORE THAN ANYBODY WANTS TO PAY. SO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S GONE OUT TO BID IN A COMPETITIVE PROCESS WITH THE STATE AND THOSE PRICES ARE PRETTY MUCH LOCKED IN. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ALL I GOT. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. WELL, MAYBE MORE THAN ONE, BUT ONE PARTICULAR, IF WE ELIMINATED THE GRANT, WE DIDN'T ACCEPT THAT MONEY MM-HMM. , WOULD IT BE EASIER, WOULD IT BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE? WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE HOOPS? WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A GRANT THAT, THAT WHEN INITIALLY AWARDED WAS PAYING 85 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR PER A VEHICLE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF TOO MANY MUNICIPALITIES, TRANSIT AGENCIES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE A QUITE A BARGAIN, EVEN THOUGH YOU DO HAVE SOME FEDERAL HOOPS TO GO THROUGH. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WELL WORTH IT WITH THAT, THAT LEVEL OF SUBSIDY. UM, IF I, IF I CAN, NOT JUST ME, BUT IF, IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN EVEN BRINGING IN MORE GRANT FUNDING, UM, THIS CITY COULD HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST TRANSIT FLEET FOR PENNINGTON DOLLAR INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR EVERYTHING OUT OF ITS GENERAL FUND. SO, AND VICE MAYOR, IF I, IF I MAY AGAIN, OF COURSE, CHIME IN, IN WORKING WITH ADOT, WHICH IS THE PASS THROUGH AGENCY FOR THESE FTA DOLLARS, RELATIONSHIPS ALSO MATTER A LOT MM-HMM. , PARTICULARLY IN RURAL ARIZONA, UM, WHERE THE FUNDING IS LIMITED. AND, AND SO FOR US TO TURN BACK FUNDS THAT WE'VE BEEN AWARDED WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO [04:20:01] BUILD ON THAT SUCCESS AND GET MORE, UM, I THINK WOULD PROBABLY COME BACK TO, TO, TO HAUNT US A LITTLE BIT. AND MY LAST QUESTION MAYBE GOES TO SHERRY OR TO YOU, KAREN, CAN WE JUST BUY THESE? DO WE HAVE TO LEASE THEM? UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY, EXCUSE ME, WE COULD POTENTIALLY PURCHASE THEM, UM, INSTEAD OF DOING THE LEASE PURCHASE, BUT INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP, BUT WE CAN STILL GET A PRETTY DECENT RATE ON THESE. AND, UM, TO PRESERVE CASH FLOW AT THIS POINT, I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT ON MUCH LARGER PROJECTS AND CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS OF THOSE PRICES COMING IN REALLY, REALLY HIGH. AND, UM, SO ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO CONSERVE THE CASH, UM, I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA. CAN I ADD TO THAT TOO? MM-HMM. , AS LONG AS I'M ON A ROLL. YEAH, GO FOR IT. THERE ARE ALSO NO PREPAYMENT PENALTIES YES. UH, ON THIS LEASE. SO IF WE FIND, YOU KNOW, SHORTLY A YEAR FROM NOW OR WHATEVER WE'RE IN A BETTER FINANCIAL POSITION WITH IN TERMS OF CASH FLOW AND WE KNOW BETTER WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH A RECESSION OR SO FORTH, WE CAN PAY THEM OFF. OKAY. YES. THAT'S IT, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, QUICK QUESTION, ROB. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT SAYING, WELL, FORGET MORE VEHICLES BECAUSE WE GO TO ELECTRIC, I NEED MORE. AND YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVERS. YEAH. YOU HAVEN'T MENTIONED THAT WORD AND SAID DRIVER, AND THAT MEANS WE WOULD NEED MORE DRIVERS, WHICH ARE A HIGH COMMODITY TO GET IN VERDE VALLEY TO SAY THE LEAST. MM-HMM. . SO DID I MISS SOMETHING? WELL, WITH THE BATTERY ELECTRIC, THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO, THE VEHICLE ITSELF WOULD BE SWAPPED OUT MID-SHIFT BECAUSE IT'S, IT WOULD BE IN A LOW STATE OF CHARGE. SO THAT WOULD BE, SHOULD YOU GIVE ANOTHER, THAT REALLY WOULDN'T KICK UP THE DRIVER REQUIREMENT. OKAY. LOW CAPACITY VEHICLES DEPLOYING LITTLE MINIVANS OUT THERE WOULD KICK UP THE DRIVER REQUIREMENT AND YOUR OPERATING COSTS. BUT WITH THE BATTERY ELECTRIC, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, HIT A CERTAIN RANGE EVERY DAY. AND IF IT'S NOT GONNA DO IT, YOU'RE GONNA PULL BUS ONE OFF AND HAVE BUS TWO GO IN AND, AND, AND FINISH FINISH THE ROUTING. MAYBE, MAYBE. YEAH. BY THE WAY, THE, THE BUS THAT THIS ERAN VAN, WE, I, I FAILED TO MENTION WE DID HAVE IT HERE, AND WE RAN IT AROUND TOWN AND IT WENT INTO A LOW STATE OF CHARGE BECAUSE IT, UM, IT ALMOST RAN OUTTA JUICE ON THE WAY FROM PHOENIX TO HERE, AND THEY HAD TO STOP AND CHARGE IT FOR LIKE 44 HOURS. AND THEN THEY FINISHED THE TRIP AND THEN IT HOOKED UP HERE OVERNIGHT TO RECHARGE, JUST TO GET HALFWAY BACK BETWEEN HERE AND PHOENIX. SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT WE COULD LOOK FORWARD TO, WENT DOWN THIS ROAD. SO THAT'S THE, THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, IF I MAY. SURE. GOOD. UH, ROBERT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID JUST TRIGGERED THE OLD ADAGE IN MY MIND THAT YOU DON'T BUILD THE SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT FOR BLACK FRIDAY. AND SO YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WE WANNA SIZE YOUR BUSES FOR PEAK CAPACITY. SO THAT'S KIND OF A RHETORICAL QUESTION. WHAT'S MORE INTERESTING TO ME, AND I SUSPECT THAT COUNCILMAN FOLTZ IS MAYBE PONDERING SOME OF THESE SAME IDEAS, IS THIS LOOKS TO ME LIKE A WHOLE SERIES OF LINEAR, NON-LINEAR EQUATIONS AND A BIG MODELING EFFORT THAT I THINK IS PROBABLY ON PAR WITH THE TRAFFIC MODELING THAT WE AND OUR PARTNERS HAVE WORKED ON. I'M ASSUMING THAT MV HAS THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SYSTEM ANALYSIS STUFF. I WOULD, I PERSONALLY, AND I'M SURE BRIAN WOULD, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF MY , BUT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS, THESE TRADE-OFFS WORK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, AND REALLY THIS LARGER DISCUSSION AGAIN, UH, ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED. YOU KNOW, IS IT FIXED LINE DOWN THE MAIN ROADS AND MICROT TRANSITS THAT SERVICES IT, OR MICROT TRANSITS IS THE SOLUTION, AND IS IT BIG VANS VERSUS SMALL VANS? AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A GREAT STUDY SESSION HERE BECAUSE WE END UP ASKING THESE QUESTIONS KIND OF ALWAYS. AND WE, IT'S, I I I TAKE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THE MO THE TRAFFIC MODELING THAT WE'RE DOING, AND I WON'T CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL, BUT AT LEAST I CAN SEE THE PIECES THAT ARE MOVING AND KNOW, GET A MUCH BETTER LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT THAT WAY. SO JUST KIND OF A, A COMMENT, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE, AND MAYBE YOU CAN COMMENT ON IT [04:25:02] TONIGHT. NO , NO, NO. YES. YES. TONIGHT. . ALL RIGHT. UH, NOW BEFORE WE GET TO, UH, UH, THE NEXT SECTION, I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE ANNE KELLY, UH, UM, WHO WILL BE NUMBER ONE, AND THEN JIM GAIL AS ON DECK. AND, UH, AND YOU KNOW THE WAY IT WORKS. YES, SIR. SO ANNE KELLY LIVE IN SEDONA. I AGREE WITH THE NEED. DEFINITELY. UM, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CASES WHERE PEOPLE WERE COMING TO SEDONA AND THEY CALL ME AND SAY, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY UBER, I'M GONNA HAVE TO RENT A CAR AT THE AIRPORT. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE AN UBER. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THINGS ARE GETTING VERY COMPLICATED. SO MAYBE IN ADDITION, OR INSTEAD, WHY DON'T WE CALL UBER AND TELL 'EM THEY HAVE A GOLD MINE HERE, THAT THEY'RE NOT TAPPING, AND SEE IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE WHERE RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS WOULD HAVE A PART-TIME JOB AND A WAY TO MAKE MONEY AND IT WOULD EBB AND FLOW WITH THE DEMAND. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'D STILL PROBABLY BE GAS CARS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA END UP ANYWAY, JUST AN OPTION. FREE TO THINK. THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU, ANNE. JIM, YOU ARE NEXT. GIVE US YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. RIGHT. I'M, UH, JIM, GAIL, I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN, UH, SEDONA. AND I'M A MEMBER, AND I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF YOU, THE NEW MAYOR OF VICE MAYOR AND OUR WHOLE CITY COUNCIL DOING AN AWESOME JOB IN YOUR ANALYSIS AND YOUR CRITICAL THINKING AND JUST YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING. SO THANK YOU. AND I AM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IDEA. I AM FROM A, I'M A, A VOLUNTEER WITH NORTHERN ARIZONA CLIMATE CHANGE ALLIANCE. AND SO OUR PURPOSE IS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW WE CAN REDUCE OUR DEPENDENCY ON FOSSIL FUELS SO THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE HEALTHY AIR TO BREATHE AND CLEAN WATER, AS WELL AS PROTECT, UH, PLANTS AND ANIMALS. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THIS IS STILL USING FOSSIL FUELS, BUT WHEN YOU HEAR THE WHOLE DISCUSSION AND THE ANALYSIS ROBERT AND ALICIA HAS DONE, IT MAKES SENSE TO MYSELF AND, AND MANY MEMBERS OF MY ORGANIZATION THAT WE DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE MICROT TRANSIT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S LEASED, IT, IT'S, AND IT JUST LIKE ROBERT SAID, WE CAN LATER ON JUST TERMINATE OUR LEASE AND GO TO ELECTRIC WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES. SO IT'S A VERY MUCH A MOVING TARGET. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE, OUR GREAT CITY, UH, STAFF WITH THEIR COLLABORATION AND PROFESSIONALISM. WE'RE VERY LUCKY AND HONOR TO HAVE YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COULD I ASK A QUESTION, MR. GALE, PLEASE? JIM, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE, THE LECTERN, WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. GALE. THANK YOU. UM, YOU SAID YOU WERE SPEAKING AND YOU'RE A MEMBER OF NASCA. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE IS NASCA HAVE A POSITION IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL FOR THESE BUSES TO BE PURCHASED? UM, I'M ONLY JUST ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU'RE SPEAKING INDIVIDUALLY. NOT FOR NAKA SPEAK INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I'M A MEMBER OF THAT ORGANIZATION AND OKAY. AND WE'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT THE CITY WITH ALL THE SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. SO WE ARE JUST, UH, TRYING TO REACH OUT AND THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFIED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO, UH, COUNCIL FOR COMMENTS. UH OH. WHAT? NO, NO. I THOUGHT I DID THE WRONG THING. NO, I DID THE WRONG THING. OH, OKAY. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS? I WILL START. I DO. THE TECHNOLOGY FOR EFFECTIVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE ISN'T THERE YET. WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR ME OR MECHANICAL SUPPORT. WE NEED TO MAINTAIN AN EFFECTIVE, TO MAINTAIN A SYSTEM OF, OF A LOW, A LOW PERFORMING ELECTRIC VEHICLE. WE NEED MICROT TRANSITS TO MAKE THE THING WORK. IT HAS TO, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND WE MAY, IF, IF THESE DON'T COME THROUGH ANOTHER 20, 20 TIMES AND COME UP WITH, ASK 20 OTHER PEOPLE WHAT THEY THINK AND COME UP WITH WITH EVERYBODY'S IDEAS. AGAIN, UM, I JUST THINK WE, WE HAVE THE GRANT. THIS IS WHAT IS AVAILABLE. [04:30:01] ALICIA, OUR SUSTAINABILITY PERSON WHO WE PAY TO DO THIS RECOMMENDS WE APPROVE IT. UM, I'M SURE SHE WOULD RATHER HAVE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, BUT SHE'S A REALISTIC PERSON WHO UNDERSTANDS THE LIMITATIONS OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME, WHICH I APPRECIATE. THANK YOU. UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS. I THINK IT'S TIME TO, TO MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN AND STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. COUNCIL FURMAN YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON. WELL SAID. I THINK WE'VE BEAT THIS BUS DEAD. OKAY. YEAH. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'VE DELAYED IT OR WANTED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, IT'S BECAUSE THE BUSES WERE PULLED OUT FROM UNDER US IN TERMS OF THEIR AVAILABILITY. SO JUST MAKE BE CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE SLOWDOWN. IT WASN'T THE SLOWDOWN AT THE ACTION OF THE CITY. UM, AGAIN, LIKE REITERATE, THESE ARE CONFLICTING, YOU KNOW, GOALS IN TERMS OF TRYING TO HAVE A GREEN FLEET, BUT ALSO WANTING TO GET MICROT TRANSITS GOING, I NEED TO COME DOWN ON ONE SIDE OF THIS OR THE OTHER HERE TONIGHT. I AM, UM, APPRECIATIVE OF ALICIA'S ANALYSIS ON THIS AND, AND THAT PERSPECTIVE BEING ADDED IN. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU FEEL OUR PAIN AND THE DILEMMA AND EMPATHIZE. UM, ROBERT, SO I AM, UM, REGRETFULLY GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS PURCHASE BECAUSE I DO WANNA SEE MICROT TRANSITS GET GOING. SO, COUNCILOR FOLTZ, I THINK COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON AND KINSELLA BOTH SPOKE VERY WISELY ABOUT THE SITUATION AND REFLECTS HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. AND I THINK THAT THE STATE NEEDS TO HIRE SOME BUYERS FROM WALMART TO LEARN HOW TO NEGOTIATE, CUZ THESE PRICES ARE INSANE. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DUNN. DONE. SO, I THINK ROBERT KNOWS WHERE I STAND ABOUT MICROT TRANSITS. I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE CITY KNOWS WHERE I STAND ABOUT MICROT TRANSITS. THE IDEA HERE IS TO GET CARS OFF THE ROAD AND WE GET CARS OFF THE ROAD BY GETTING THEM ALL TOGETHER IN ONE VEHICLE AND MOVING. SO YOU CAN STILL REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS BY GETTING THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES AND INTO OUR MICROT TRANSITS. SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE MICROT TRANSITS GETTING UP AND RUNNING, AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL. AND THAT WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO PUT THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES ON THE ROAD. WEISNER, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS SAID EVERYTHING. OKAY. GIVE IT TO ME. I AGREE. EVERYBODY HAS SAID EVERYTHING. UM, AT, TO WHY AT NINE 30? I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SAY ANYMORE . SO I ALSO SUPPORT THE, UH, PROPOSAL AS WRITTEN. KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE HAVE TWO PROPOSALS. SO WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE, UH, UH, THE MOTION, KEEP THAT IN MIND. UH, OKAY. I'LL MAKE THE FIRST MOTION. OKAY. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF THREE MICROT TRANSIT VEHICLES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED SIX HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE TWENTY $4,546 FROM CREATIVE BUS SALES THROUGH THE ARIZONA STATE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING CONTRACT. OKAY, KURT, ARE WE DOING BOTH TOGETHER? SEPARATELY. SEPARATELY? OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE SECOND. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE CASTLE WILLIAMSON MADE THE MOTION, AND THE SECOND WAS COUNCILOR DUNN. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. OKAY. NUMBER TWO, APPROVE ACCEPTANCE AND EXPENDITURE OF THE FTA 5 30 39 GRAND AWARD OF $202,165 AND A APPROVE AN ADDITIONAL $214,199 AS THE CITY'S TO LOCAL SHARE FOR THE PURCHASE OF TWO ADDITIONAL MICROT TRANSIT VEHICLES SECONDED BY SECOND. OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. WELL, OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. PASS UNANIMOUSLY. VERY GOOD. NOW GET US THOSE VEHICLES. DON'T LET 'EM GET, HOLD THAT FROM UNDERNEATH US AGAIN AND GET SOME MECHANICS TOO. WHILE YOU'RE OUT. PLENTY AVAILABLE. THANK YOU, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, WE WILL, WE'LL GET CRACKING ON THIS , AND IF YOU DON'T MAKE IT HAPPEN, YOU HAVE TO COME HERE AGAIN AND WE'LL HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSION. , I DID HAVE ONE CLOSING COMMENT THAT EVERY TIME I'M BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE COUNCIL, THE, THE VICE MAYOR, NOW MAYOR WOULD ALWAYS ASK ME, WHAT, HOW, HOW MANY TRAILHEAD BOARDINGS HAVE WE HAD? HOW WE DOING? YES, YOU CAN ASK ME. I'VE BEEN, IT'S A LITTLE GO AHEAD. LITTLE LICK. HOW MANY ARE WE A AGENDAS FOR [04:35:01] THIS? IT'S JUST COMING. WELL, YOU ALWAYS ASK ME. SO YEAH. AS A SON, I DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION. REASONABLY RELATED. THERE YOU GO. TOP. WELL, AS OF SUNDAY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT, UH, JUST SHY OF A QUARTER MILLION 222,000 BOARDINGS AND 172 DAYS OF OPERATIONS BY, THAT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE. BY THE NEXT SUNDAY YOU'LL BE OVER A QUARTER MILLION SLACKER. BUT I'VE HEARD NOBODY USES IT. GO FIGURE. . THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU ROBERT. ROBERT, THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S LOG THROUGH. OH, THIS IS A LOT ON [8.f. AB 2911 : Discussion/possible action regarding the reconsideration of an installation of synthetic K-9 grass as a pilot project in a portion of the Sedona Dog Park.] THE AGENDA. SO, AB 29 11, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE RECONSIDERATION OF THE INSTALLATION OF A SYNTHETIC CANINE GRASS AS A PILOT PROJECT, EXCUSE ME, IN A PORTION OF THE SEDONA DOG PARK. I WOULD GUESS THAT WOULD BE WHO THAT WOULD BE. UH, COUNSELOR KINSELLA AND, UH, AND THE VICE MAYOR, BECAUSE THEY ASKED FOR THE RECONSIDERATION. SAY I DID IT RIGHT. SEE? YOU DID. ALL RIGHT. UM, YES, THANK YOU. SO, UM, YES, WE DID ASK FOR THE RECONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM. UM, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNITY RESPONSE AND INPUT, UM, REGARDING DESIGN OF THE DOG RUN, UH, DOG PARK. UH, WE FELT THAT IT NEEDED TO COME BACK BECAUSE IF THIS, THIS IS A, AGAIN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT AMENITIES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE FOR OUR RESIDENTS, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIVE TO THAT. I'M, I DO NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WHERE WE LEFT THINGS, UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS LEAVING A SURFACE THAT WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY BE UTILIZED IN THE LONG RUN. THERE WERE, THERE, WE HEARD THAT COMMENTARY FROM PEOPLE, THAT IT WASN'T A SURFACE THAT WAS GONNA BE UTILIZED. IT WENT BACK TO TRYING TO RETAIN THE, UM, THE, UM, GRASSY FIELD USE. WE KNOW THAT KURT HAS EDUCATED US ON THE CONFLICT IN THE LAW REGARDING USE OF THE FIELD. WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THAT INFORMATION. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO OUR CONSIDERATION BECAUSE OF ALL OF THESE ITEMS. AND BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR VERY CREATIVE CITY MANAGER, UM, WE THOUGHT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON WHERE THIS COULD GO IN TERMS OF MAKING THIS A RESPONSIVE AMENITY THAT WILL BE WELL UTILIZED BY OUR CANINE AND HUMAN CITIZENS. SO THAT IS WHERE WE LEFT, I THINK, HOLLY, UNLESS YOU WANNA ADD TO IT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER THOUGH AFTER THAT TO KAREN, BECAUSE I THINK SHE HAS INFORMATION FOR US TO CONSIDER. YEAH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT. SO I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SYNTHETIC GRASS MM-HMM. , WHICH IS WHAT THIS AGENDA BILL SAYS. BUT SUBSEQUENT TO DECEMBER 13TH, I VISITED THE YPI HOUR AND TALK TO FOLKS THERE. AND SYNTHETIC GRASS IS NOT AS A MATERIAL THAT THEY WOULD BE HAPPY WITH, NOR IS IT A MATERIAL THAT OUR STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY WITH . SO I WANTED TO REMOVE THAT AND GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT GRASS. GRASS. AND NOW, KAREN, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, COUNSELOR KINSELLA. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED AS AN ITEM THAT WOULD SIMPLY BE, UM, A, A ADVOCACY FOR A RECONSIDERATION THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT A LATER TIME. I HAVE FURTHER OPENED THE DOOR TO SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION BY PROVIDING THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET AND THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATION THAT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO PURSUE NATURAL GRASS, AS THE VICE MAYOR INDICATED, UM, STAFF FEELS VERY STRONGLY. OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM, OUR, OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, THAT SYNTHETIC GRASS IS A NON-STARTER. UM, FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT ARE ARTICULATED IN THE AGENDA, BILL, IT SEEMS THE USERS PREFER A NATURAL GRASS SURFACE. THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, BUT GIVEN THE ADDITIONAL APPROXIMATELY 3 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER USAGE, IT WOULD REQUIRE TO MAINTAIN THAT SURFACE, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DECIDED THAT WE WOULD GO WITH A DG TYPE, UM, OF, OF, OF SURFACE. BECAUSE THERE IS A STRONG DESIRE APPEARS TO BE BY BOTH THE COMMUNITY, THE USERS, AND THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF WOULD LIKE TO RECONSIDER HOW WE MIGHT GET TO A GRASS INSTALLATION WITHOUT USING ONE DROP OF ADDITIONAL WATER. SO NO NET INCREASE TO ANY OF THE WATER USAGE THAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND WE [04:40:01] BELIEVE IN SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TEAM THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET THERE AND IN FACT REDUCE NET WATER USAGE IN THIS EFFORT. BUT THAT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL TIME FROM OUR TEAM TO GET TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FULLY VETTED, FULLY RESEARCHED, UM, THE VARIOUS OPTIONS. SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD DO THAT AT THIS TIME, BUT I AM PREPARED TO TELL YOU THAT IF THAT IS YOUR GOAL, IF THAT'S YOUR DESIRE, WE ARE WILLING TO GO BACK AND DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO, SO, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN YOUR AGENDA. BILL? ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION JUST CAME UP THIS EVENING BECAUSE OUR STAFF TEAM, OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF TEAM WHO ARE DOING THIS PROJECT, IT WAS, IS, IF YOU REMEMBER IT WAS ARI MID-YEAR AD IT WASN'T PART OF OUR C I P AND OUR TEAM IS DOING THAT ON THEIR STAFF TIME ON AN OVERTIME BASIS. MM-HMM. . SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING ADDITIONAL STAFF TIME TO GET THE EXCAVATION DONE AND COMPLETE THIS PROJECT. SO THE EXCAVATION INITIALLY WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DONE TILL THE END OF THIS MONTH. THEY WILL HAVE IT DONE BY THIS WEEKEND. IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN OUT THERE AND SEEN THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE, IT IS, IT, IT'S GOING TO BLOW YOUR MIND. IT'S INCREDIBLE. IT'S INCREDIBLE. UM, AND THEN THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO, TO OUR TEAM AND, AND THEIR WORK. SO THEY'LL HAVE THE PARKING ADDITIONAL DONE, WHICH I THINK IS THE 13 ADDITIONAL SPACES AND ACROSS THE STREET A, A TEMPORARY, UM, CONFIGURATION THAT WILL ABBI US ABOUT A FIVE ADDITIONAL SPACES. WHAT WE COULD DO, THEY ALSO HAVE THE FENCING UP. SO WHAT WE COULD DO IMMEDIATELY IS WE COULD PUT IT'S ABOUT FIVE OR $6,000 WORTH OF KIND OF A SANDY SURFACE DOWN SO THAT FOLKS COULD START USING IT IMMEDIATELY. IT WON'T BE THE ULTIMATE SURFACE, BUT THAT WILL GIVE US SOME ADDITIONAL TIME TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE GRASS OPTION AND HOW WE WOULD GET THAT DONE. AND IN THE MEANTIME, IT WOULDN'T SIMPLY BE ALL THAT WORK FENCED AND LOCKED OFF FROM THE PUBLIC AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD ALLOW FOLKS TO, TO ACCESS THAT ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT. SO THAT'S AN OPTION. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO, TO YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU. UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTION? I'M JUST, IT'S COMMENT GONNA HAD TO QUESTION EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAID. OKAY. I HAVE A COMMENT. FIRST, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT'S A FABULOUS IDEA. I KNOW ABOUT ALL THE STAFF TIME THAT WENT INTO DOING THIS TO GO WITH THE SAND OR WHATEVER MATERIAL WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING UP A SIGN ADVISING PEOPLE? IT'S A TEMPORARY MEASURE THAT MORE OPTIONS ARE BEING RESEARCHED OR LOOKED AT WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT. SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE, WE DIDN'T DROP THE BALL. PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT WE CARE ABOUT, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO, UH, JUST AS A FEW DAYS AGO, SOMEONE CALLED AND SAID TO ME, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE, THE RESIDENTS AND WHAT THEY WANT ON AT THE DOG PARK. THAT THE PROG THE PRO THE PROJECT IS IN PROCESS AND IT'S NOT DONE YET. WOULD YOU CONSIDER ANY KIND OF A SIGN WITH WHATEVER WORDING WE COULD LOOK AT PUTTING SOME SIGNAGE OUT THERE. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE A COMMENT AS WELL. OKAY. LET ME SEE SINCE YOU HAVE A COMMENT. WELL, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING QUESTIONS FIRST. WELL, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTIONS. WE HAD A COMMENT, UM, THAT I HAD TO, MINE WAS A QUESTION. HE'S OKAY. IS THERE, HAS THERE BEEN A DECISION BY COUNSEL, UM, THAT ALL OF US WANT GRASS? NOT AT ALL. IN FACT, THAT'S YOU. WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION OF COUNSEL, OKAY, HERE ARE OUR OPTIONS. IF THAT IS NOT THE DIRECTION OF COUNSEL, WE WILL PROCEED AS ORIGINALLY DIRECTED. OKAY. I I DO HAVE A QUESTION. NO, I'M SORRY. OKAY, COUNSEL WILLIAMSON, WHY DON'T YOU GO WITH YOUR QUESTION? I WILL. OKAY. IS THERE, IS THERE IS GRASS A GREAT SURFACE FOR A HIGH USE DOG PARK? AND HOW, WHAT LEVEL CAN IT BE MAINTAINED? UH, CAN IT BE MAINTAINED AT AN ATHLETIC FIELD LEVEL, WHICH IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. THEY WANT GRASS, BUT THEY WANT ATHLETIC LEVEL GRASS WELL MAINTAINED THAT DOESN'T GET MUDDY AND ALL OF THAT. SO AT WHAT LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE AND WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT BEING SUSTAINED AT AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL FOR PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WANT GRASS? THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFYING QUESTION. ALLOWING ME TO SET SOME EXPECTATIONS, ON THAT. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, [04:45:01] UH, WHAT THE LEVEL OF EXPECTATION IS ABOUT HOW THAT SURFACE WILL BE MAINTAINED. OH, I DO. BUT RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE HAVE YAPPY HOUR FOR ONE HOUR A WEEK ON AN ATHLETIC FIELD, OUR GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN THAT AS AN ATHLETIC FIELD, WHICH IS A PRETTY PRISTINE SURFACE, RIGHT? SO IMMEDIATELY FILLING HOLES, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE IT'S PATCHED AND LOOKING PRISTINE. IF THERE WAS GRASS IN A DOG PARK THAT HAD CONSTANT DAILY, ALL DAY, EVERY DAY USE BY DOGS THEY DIG, UH, THERE WILL BE DEAD SPOTS IN THE GRASS. IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED TO THE LEVEL OF OUR ATHLETIC FIELDS FOR HUMAN USE. WHO CAN, PEOPLE ARE RUNNING ON THAT SURFACE AND CAN TRIP AND, YOU KNOW, BREAK AN ANKLE IF THEY FALL INTO ONE OF THE HOLES. SO, SO IT WOULD, THE MAIN, THE, THE GRASS WOULD BE MAINTAINED, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE LIKE YOU SEE THE MULTI-USE FIELD OR BASEBALL SEASON. WELL, COULDN'T, WHY COULDN'T IT BE IF YOU WENT AND MAINTAINED IT, IF YOU WENT AND FILLED THE HOLES AND RE SAWED IT AND DID ALL OF THAT, YOU COULD ACTUALLY MAINTAIN IT AT THAT LEVEL. WE COULDN'T, WE WOULD NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT RESOURCES. AND IT, IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT IN CONTEXT THE PICTURES THAT YOU SAW DURING THE LAST DISCUSSION OF THE MULTI-USE FIELD AND THE DEGRADATION THAT OCCURRED FROM THE YPI HOUR USE, WHICH AGAIN IS ONE HOUR ONCE A WEEK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOLELY ANIMAL USE, DOG USE EVERY DAY, ALL DAY, THEY WILL BE DIGGING HOLES, THEY WILL BE BEING DOGS. SO, UM, YEAH, IT, IT WILL, WILL MAKE SURE THE GRASS IS MAINTAINED TO THE, TO THE EXTENT THAT IS PRACTICAL FOR A DOG PARK. AND ED, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW AT THIS PART POINT WHAT IT, WHAT THAT IS. UM, SO IS IT POSSIBLE AS PART OF THE EXPERIENCE OF RESEARCHING, UM, FIND OUT PLACES THAT HAVE GRASSY DOG PARKS AND SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE? UM, BECAUSE I WENT DOWN TO COTTON WOODS AND IT IS A DIRT FIELD IT AND IT'S GOT BIG, BIG AREAS WHERE GRASS HAS DIED BECAUSE OF URINE AND IT KILLS GRASS AND BIGS BIG PATCHES. UM, I JUST, I I JUST WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR IF, CUZ I THINK PROBABLY GRASS IS GONNA BE APPROVED BY, BY THIS COUNCIL. I THINK THAT I WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE EXPECTATION OF WHAT THAT GRASS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ATHLETIC FIELD GRASS, BUT I WAS, THAT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT. SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE WHEN YOU COME BACK TO, TO GIVE SOME, I MEAN, AND I COULD BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED, SOME PHOTOS AND EXAMPLES OF OTHER GRASS DR. OF OF, OF YEAH. WITH THANK YOU COUNSELOR FURMAN, MR. MAYOR, UM, THANK YOU TO STAFF KAREN, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP WITH SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN START MAYBE WITH DG AND WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT GRASS AND YOU'RE GONNA THINK ABOUT AND HAVE SOME GREAT IDEAS ABOUT SAVING WATER ELSEWHERE TO USE HERE. I STILL AM CONCERNED ABOUT 3 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR THAT JUST, UH, DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS SOMETHING THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, OUR ETHICS WANT TO, TO PROMOTE. UH, AND YESTERDAY I HAD AN IDEA THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT AND THE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT IS IF AND WHEN THIS THING DOES COME BACK TO US TO TALK ABOUT GRASS, THAT MAYBE WE LET THE DOGS VOTE AND WE BUILD HALF GRASS IN A NEW AREA AND WE OBSERVE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND SEE WHAT THE DOGS ACTUALLY WANT AND WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND WE COULD SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND A LITTLE BIT OF WATER. AND, AND WE, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T ALL HAVE TO BE DONE AT ONCE AND YOU'RE ALREADY SETTING A STAGE FOR STAGING THIS WHOLE THING. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING I IDEA AND I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT OTHERS MIGHT THINK. AND THEN I KNOW THAT YOU WILL COME BACK TO US WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF GRASS AND I WAS OVER THERE TODAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR STAFF IS AMAZING. UH, EVERY TIME I WENT TO THE DISC GOLF COURSE, THEY WERE THERE AND I TALKED TO 'EM, I WENT TO THE DOG PARK TODAY, THEY WERE THERE AND I TALKED TO 'EM AND I KNOW THAT IRRIGATING, THAT SECTION IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT. BEDROCK IS RIGHT THERE AND IT'S ALL OVER. AND SO MM-HMM. , THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S YOU, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE [04:50:01] AWARE AND, AND YOU'LL COME BACK TO US. SO THANK YOU COUNCIL KINSELLA. THANK YOU. UM, CAROL, KAREN, I I WAS REALLY INTRIGUED BY YOUR IDEA ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE BEING NO NET INCREASE OF WATER USAGE BY GETTING SAVINGS OTHER PLACES. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN WE PUT IN THE PICKLEBALL QUARTS THAT WILL BE REMOVING SOME GRASSY AREA THAT WOULD BE FACTORED INTO THE OCCASION CUZ THAT'LL INTO THE EQUATION BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SURFACE. THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER PLACES WHERE WE CAN NOT MAINTAIN GRASS IN ORDER TO GET THE NET SWAP FOR THE GRASS AT THE DOG RUN. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? SO THE REASON THAT I HAD SAID I'M NOT REALLY, REALLY PREPARED TO MM-HMM. MM-HMM. TO GET INTO THOSE SPECIFICS THIS EVENING IS BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY DEPENDING ON THE PLACEMENT OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS TO DO SOMETHING TO REDUCE WATER USE MM-HMM. . BUT RIGHT NOW, THOSE OPTIONS ARE BEING VETTED WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND IT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED PUBLICLY. SO UNTIL THAT PLAYS OUT MM-HMM. , UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA ASSUME, BUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER IDEAS AND OPTIONS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE TO GET AN A NET ACTUALLY, UM, REDUCTION TO, TO OUR WATER, WATER USE. SO WE'LL BE CREATIVE, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO LOOK AT OTHER IDEAS AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU AND DISCUSS THOSE WHEN WE HAVE A MORE FULL PICTURE FOR YOU. BALLPARK, WHAT WOULD YOU IMAGINE THAT TIMELINE TO BE? SO, UM, PART OF THAT IS IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON, OF COURSE, OUR TEAM AVAILABILITY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALICIA, HER TEAM, PUBLIC WORKS AND MAINTENANCE AND PARKS AND, AND MYSELF MM-HMM. . SO, UM, THAT'S A PIECE OF IT, RIGHT? TO GET THE VETTING DONE. THEN IT'S A MATTER OF HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THIS INTO OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF'S WORKLOAD AND THE TEMPERATURE TO PLANT SOD OR GRASS IF WE GO THAT DIRECTION, WHICH MAY NEED TO WARM UP A BIT IN SPRING. AND, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME, BUT I AM THINKING THAT AS PROBABLY A 60 TO 90 DAY, UM, VETTING, WHICH IS WHY I I THOUGHT IT COULD BE A VIABLE OPTION TO DO THIS INTERIM STEP, WHICH WE WOULD BE PREPARED TO DO VERY QUICKLY, LIKE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS COULD BE COMPLETED. AND, UM, THE, AND THAT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE US MOVING FORWARD WITH GRASS WHEN WE GET THERE. RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. AND TALKING ABOUT THE GRASS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET THERE, I JUST, UM, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON'S REMARKS, UM, STRUCK ME BECAUSE I AM NOT AWARE OF, OR I KNOW MY EXPECTATION WAS NOT THAT A ANY NATURAL SURFACE GRASS SURFACE BE MAINTAINED TO BALLPARK STANDARDS THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU FIND IN A GENERAL PARK TO WHEN YOU GO TO YANKEE STADIUM, YOU KNOW, OR, OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GRASS AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT WE WOULD BE MAINTAINING THAT TYPE OF LEVEL OF, OF GRASS. AND I'M NOT AWARE, NO ONE HAS EXPRESSED THAT TO ME. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT ASSUMPTION CAME FROM, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A NATURAL GRASSY SURFACE IF WE GO THIS ROUTE IN PURSUING THIS. UM, AND YOU, YOU KNOW, AS OUR DOG PARKS THAT I'VE SEEN IN MANY PLACES NOW, NOT ALL OF THOSE IN THE SOUTHWEST, WE ARE IN THE SOUTHWEST AND WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. BUT I DO THINK, AGAIN, FOR ME, THE KEY IS THE NO NET INCREASE IN CONSUMPTION. AND I'M, I THINK THAT THIS WAS A GREAT, GREAT IDEA THAT YOU CAME UP WITH. I DON'T WANT TO, AND HERE COMES THE QUESTION, TIE YOUR HANDS. I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIRECTIONS POSSIBLE DIRECTIONS TO GO IN. ONE IS I'VE HEARD SOME COUNSELORS UP HERE SAYING ABOUT HOW, WHEN YOU'LL COME BACK TO US, WHEN YOU'LL COME BACK TO US, BUT THE OTHER IS THAT IF YOU CAN MEET THESE STANDARDS, WHY WOULDN'T WE POSSIBLY GIVE YOU THE GO AHEAD TONIGHT TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW? YES. AND I LIKED THE MAYOR'S IDEA ABOUT SOME SIGNAGE SAYING THAT THIS IS A TEMPORARY SURFACE SO THAT PEOPLE DO UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT. UM, BUT TO SAY YES, IF YOU CAN FIND, WE DIRECT YOU, IF YOU FIND THE, THOSE DEBT SAVINGS AND CAN DO THIS, THEN, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF STOPPING IT AND SLOWING IT DOWN FURTHER AGAIN BY COMING BACK HERE, IF WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S THE GOAL TO, TO GIVE YOU WHATEVER AUTHORIZATION YOU NEED TO PROCEED TONIGHT. UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF TWO WAYS, EITHER THE COMING BACK OR WHAT I JUST OUTLINED. WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PREFERENCE? I THINK THAT IF THIS BODY IS CONFIDENT THAT YOU WANNA GO IN THE DIRECTION OF GRASS AND YOUR CAVEAT TO US MM-HMM. IN DOING THAT IS NO NET INCREASE TO THE CITY'S WATER USAGE, THEN THAT IS CLEAR DIRECTION TO US THAT WE CAN SIMPLY PROCEED [04:55:01] WITH. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT, UM, OR OTHER SURFACE OPTIONS OR HOW THE DOGS IN THE INTERIM, LIKE THE SURFACE THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT DOWN AND IS THAT ACCEPTABLE, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO, TO ALL OF YOU. OKAY. SO I THINK WHEN WE GET THERE, I'M TRYING TO FRAME LIKE EMOTION, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK MIGHT COVER THAT WHEN WE GET THERE. SO I'M GONNA KEEP THINKING ON THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. VICE MAYOR? YES. KAREN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. I I DON'T REALLY, I'M REALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING SAND DOWN. UH, UH, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE, THE POINT THAT IT WOULD BE UNEX, YOU KNOW, JUST EXCAVATED AND, AND AND NOT USED. SO HERE'S MY QUESTION. FOR YAPPY HOUR. FOR YAPPY HOUR, I COULD ONLY SUPPORT THIS INTERIM IF YPI HOUR STAYED WHERE IT WAS UNTIL THE GRASS WAS PUT DOWN. YES MA'AM. WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. YEP. YEP. THAT'S NOT A QUESTION. . YES, IT IS A QUESTION. IT WASN'T WAS THAT'S RIGHT. SHE ANSWERED THAT'S QUESTION. OKAY. COUNCILOR. DONE. SO I THINK IF WE, EVEN IF WE GO AHEAD AND SAY CLEAR DIRECTION, NO NET NEW WATER, WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA PHRASE IT CUZ KATHY'S OVER THERE WORKING REALLY HARD. UM, I THINK WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE REAL EXPECTATION IS AROUND THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE LOUDEST PROPONENTS FOR HAVING GRASS, UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE COULD END UP WITH A MISMATCH BETWEEN EXPECTATION AND REALITY. AND SO AS YOU'RE DOING WHATEVER IT IS YOU GUYS DO ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE MATERIAL GRASS OR ABOUT WATER, IT IS GONNA BE ABOUT THIS MAINTENANCE AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE EXPECTING THIS TO BE YAPPY HOUR EVERY SINGLE DAY, UM, ON AN ATHLETIC FIELD OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE WILLING TO LIVE WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS COULD BECOME MUDDY AND THERE COULD BE HOLES AND UM, THERE COULD BE BURN SPOTS. UM, AND HOW OFTEN THEN ARE YOU GOING TO COMMIT YOUR STAFF TO FIXING THAT? LIKE NEVER ONCE A YEAR. EVERY QUARTER, EVERY TIME IT HAPPENS. I THINK THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN MEET THAT EXPECTATION. UNDERSTOOD. AND IF, IF COUNCIL WANTS ADDITIONAL OUTREACH TO THE USERS TO ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS, DISCUSS WITH THEM FOCUS GROUPS FEEDBACK, THAT IS GOING TO SIMPLY TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME. MM-HMM. , THEY'RE IN THE AUDIENCE. THEY'RE RIGHT HERE. WE CAN ALL OF THEM. REPRESENTATIVE. THERE'S 80 OF THEM. . OKAY. OKAY. LET'S NOT, LET'S KEEP IT DOWN TO A LITTLE BIT OF A MINIMUM. COUNCIL. DONNA, YOU DONE? OKAY. COUNCIL FOLTZ, I'M OFFERED CUTTING TO THE CHASE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT I AM CONFUSED FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT. SO KURT, I THOUGHT THAT WE'RE LIMITED TO JUST SIMPLY ARE WE GONNA REOPEN THIS FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM C? CAN WE EVEN DO THE MOTION TO PROVIDE CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS AND GO RUN, GO RUN WITH IT CUTTING TO THE CHASE THAT WE, WE COULD SKIP TO THE, THE REGULAR MOTION, BUT YES. PER, PER THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. UM, AS THIS WAS AGENDAS AS AN ITEM OF RECONSIDERATION, UH, WE FIRST NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT RECONSIDERATION. AND THEN THE DISCUSSION, UM, ALSO COUNSEL'S PREVIOUS ACTION WAS IN SEP BACK IN SEPTEMBER WAS IN, WAS AN ACTION TO APPROVE THE DOG PARK AS A NON GRASS SURFACE. SO TO CHANGE THAT, WE WILL NEED ANOTHER MOTION APPROVED BY THE MAJORITY OF COUNSEL TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY DIRECTED STAFF. AND WE CAN DO THAT. AND DO WE HAVE TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THEN WILL BE SO FORTH? IS ANY WE DO HAVE TO YEAH. PRIOR TO, YEAH. GENERALLY PRIOR TO ANY ACTION. PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I GOT. I LOVE THAT. CUT TO THE CHASE. OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA CUT TO THE CHASE. I UNDERSTAND. OH, OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I ASKED ONE QUESTION. OH, I'M SORRY. JUST OH, OKAY. UM, AND I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED, UM, THE, DURING A 90 DAY VETTING, THE, THE CURRENT BALL FIELD THAT'S BEING USED FOR YPI WILL CONTINUE DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. YES. PERFECT. I JUST, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I, CARRIE, UM, OKAY. THAT'S, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT AND LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC. RIGHT. ARE WE READY NOW? KURT, CAN WE DO IT? WELL, I THINK YOU WANT THE RECONSIDERATION MOTION FIRST, DON'T YOU? YEAH. LET'S, LET'S DO THAT. AND WELL, I DON'T HAVE A MOTION HERE [05:00:01] AT ALL. I'M, I CAN MAKE A MOTION. OKAY, PERFECT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF OUR PREVIOUS ACTION APPROVING A, UH, NON-RES SURFACE. NON-RES SURFACE AT THE DOG PARK. SECOND. OKAY. DAVID? UH, THE MOTION BY COUNSELOR, UH, KINSELLA, UH, SECONDED BY THE VICE MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. COUNSELOR WILLIAMSTON IS THE ONLY DE DISSENTING NO VOTE. ALL THE REST ARE SUPPORTING. OKAY. NOW, UH, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, GOING TO THE PUBLIC TO, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY VETTED EVERYTHING. I DON'T WANNA SAY IT AGAIN. MM-HMM. AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA COME TO YOU. UH, AND THE FIRST PERSON UP IS JIM GAIL AGAIN. AND JESSICA SIERRA HAS LEFT. IS, UH, SUE SHANNON STILL HERE? MM-HMM. . OKAY. YOU'LL BE UP NEXT. UH, SO JUST YOU READY TO JUMP UP THERE? OKAY. UH, JIM, YOU, YOU JUST LIKE YOU DID BEFORE. OKAY. NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. I'M JIM GAIL, I'M RIGHT HERE IN WEST SEDONA AND RESIDENT AND A MEMBER OF NORTHERN ARIZONA CLIMATE CHANGE ALLIANCE. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT OUR ETHICS HERE. YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE GOVERNORS OF ALL THE WESTERN STATES. THE COLORADO RIVER IS, IS DRYING UP, YOU KNOW, OUR WHOLE WATERSHED AND HAVE 3 MILLION GALLONS FOR DOGS THAT HAVE FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS, YOU KNOW, ROMPED AND HAD BEEN FAMOUS PARTNERS WITH PEOPLE. ANYWAY, I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS REALLY A TOUGH, TOUGH DECISION. WE'RE USING WAY TOO MANY RESOURCES, MORE THAN THE PLANET HAS. AND SO I'M TRYING TO USE 20% LESS WATER, 20% LESS ENERGY. MM-HMM. , BECAUSE I NEED TO, BECAUSE THE PLANT CAN AFFORD IT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO THINK FIRST OF ALL ABOUT PEOPLE. ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM AND EVERYONE THAT LIVES DOWNSTREAM, THEY NEED THAT WATER TOO. AS WELL AS EVERY PLANT AND ANIMAL THAT'S IN THE DROUGHT HERE NEEDS THAT WATER AS WELL. SO TO ME, WE HAVE TO MIMIC OUR ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE TO LEARN FROM NATURE AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN JUST LIKE OUT HERE IN THE COURTYARD, THERE'S A ZEROSCAPE THAT ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEER GROUPS PUT IN AS IN A SHOWCASE HOW WE CAN USE LESS WATER BY HAVING A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE, BUT BEING ZERO SCAPE. BUT, UM, GRASS IN THE DESERT, WE LIVE IN THE DESERT, SO WE NEED TO MIMIC THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE DESERT. AND OUR DOGS WILL BE HAPPY. I THINK IF WE'RE HAPPY THEY PLAY OFF US. AND IF WE'RE, I WAS UP THERE TODAY, THE SHOES ARE SPECTACULAR. I MEAN, IT'S INCREDIBLE PLACE. AND THE DOGS LOOKED HAPPY WHEN I WAS WATCHING 'EM MORE. WERE ON THE, THE MUD OR THE, NOT THE MUD, BUT THE DIRT, THE BEAUTIFUL RED DIRT THAN WERE ON THE ARTIFICIAL GRASS. AND THEY WERE ALL PLAYING AND CHASING THE BALLS AND EVERYTHING AND THEY, ANYWAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT'S TOUGH TIMES AND IT'S TOUGH DECISIONS, BUT WE CANNOT BE IN DENIAL. THE ESSENCE OF ALL OF OUR LIVES AND ALL PEOPLE IS WATER. AND WE'VE GOTTA USE LESS. AND ESSENTIALLY WHEN THERE IS LESS, WE WILL USE LESS. BUT THE NET LESS NET, NET, UM, UH, NET, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, NET INCOME OR WHATEVER, NO NET INCREASE IS, IS NOT SUFFICIENT CUZ WE'RE ALREADY USING TOO MUCH ALREADY. SO SEVEN MILES OF THE UPPER RIVER, THE VERDE RIVER IS DEAD ALREADY BECAUSE THERE'S NO WATER. WE HAVE TO ENSURE THE WATER FROM HERE GOES INTO OAK CREEK. SO ANYWAY, IT TAKES ENERGY TO PUMP THE WATER, IT TAKES ENERGY TO MOLD THE GRASS. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, JIM. OKAY, UH, SUE, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, CAROL RIZZI. ARE YOU STILL HERE? UH, SHE HAD TO LEAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW. THEN I WILL BE CINDY FORSIGHT. YES. OKAY. YOU'LL BE UP NEXT. YES. UH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SUE SHANNON. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA. UH, WE TAKE OUR TWO DOGS WEEKLY TO YPI HOUR, ALONG WITH, AS HAS BEEN SAID HERE, 50 TO 80 OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN THEIR DOGS. AND MANY OF THEM WERE HERE EARLIER AND HAD TO, AND HAD TO LEAVE. WE DO NOT TAKE OUR DOGS TO THE DOG PARK. WE TOOK THEM ONE TIME AFTER THE REMODEL AND THEY WERE SO FILTHY AFTERWARDS THAT WE JUST, WE DON'T GO TO THE DOG PARK. AND YES, OUR DOGS GET THEIR FEET GET DIRTY, THEY GET DIRTY AT HOME WHEN THEY PLAY IN OUR YARD, BUT THEY DON'T COME HOME COVERED. THEY JUST COVERED WITH DIRT. UM, AND IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE, IF YOU SAY, DO YOU TAKE YOUR DOG TO THE DOG PARK? THAT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSE. WE WENT ONCE. SO I APPLAUD YOU AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR DECISION THIS EVENING TO INVESTIGATE GRASS AND ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR WONDERFULLY CREATIVE IDEAS [05:05:01] OF THE WAY TO MAKE IT, UM, TO LOWER THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE. BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU LEFT THE, IF YOU LEFT THE GRASS, THE, THE GRAVEL SURFACE, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A SMALL UNDERUTILIZED DOG PARK, WHAT YOU WOULD END UP WITH IS A MUCH LARGER UNDERUTILIZED DOG PARK. SO I REALLY THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND ANYTHING, IF YOU WANT INPUT FROM US, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU AND, AND GIVE YOU INPUT. AND I, I'VE HEARD, HEARD QUESTIONS. DO WE, WE EXPECT ATHLETIC FIELD QUALITY? NO. SOMEONE SAID A PARK QUALITY. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING. WE'RE NOT EXPECTING IT TO BE LIKE, UH, THE FOOTBALL FIELD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE THERE. SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO, ANY INPUT YOU WANT FROM US, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY. YOU SEE, THERE ARE STILL A FEW OF US AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT THAT ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING OUR DOGS TO THE DOG PARK WITH GRASS, NOT JUST FOR YAPPY HOUR, BUT WE WILL START USING IT MORE DAYS A WEEK WHEN IT HAS THE GRASS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SUE, CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND? YES. SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU, YOU EXPECT NOT A BALL FIELD, BUT YOU EXPECT PARK TYPE GRASS MM-HMM. . WELL, THAT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE. IT IS. IT IS. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE WANT GRASS, BUT WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE THIS AT THE HAVE NOW AT THE SAME QUALITY THAT YOU, THAT YOU USE FOR A ATHLETIC FIELDS WHERE GAMES ARE PLAYED. I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. OKAY. . THANK YOU. OKAY, CINDY. AND IF YOU COULD ANSWER THAT SAME QUESTION AS PART OF YOUR SURE. MY NAME'S CINDY FORSYTH. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE 20 YEAR RESIDENCE OF SEDONA. UM, I AM A VOLUNTEER AT YPI HOUR. UM, I HAVE A COVID PUPPY GOLDEN DOODLE. SO SHE'S ALMOST THREE NOW. UH, YPI HOUR'S. BEEN A REAL LIFE SAVER. SHE'S A HIGH ENERGETIC DOG. SHE LOVES GOING THERE. COUNSELOR FERVIN, YOU SAID LET THE DOGS VOTE ABOUT THE SURFACE. ACTUALLY, SINCE WE'VE BEEN MOVED TO THE, UH, SOFTBALL FIELD, YOU CAN COME AND SEE WHERE THEY PLAY ON THURSDAYS. THEY PLAY IN THE GRASS. THEY DON'T PLAY IN THE SANDY AREA, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY GRASS, I'M SURE THEY WOULD PLAY IN THE SANDY AREA. SO, UM, I DO WANNA EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR YPI HOUR AND FOR THE DOG PARK. I HAVEN'T, I'VE TAKEN MY DOG TO THE DOG PARK ONCE, TWICE. SHE, SHE DIDN'T CARE FOR IT. UM, SHE WAS, SHE'S SMALLER, SO BIG AROUND THE BIGGER DOGS WAS NOT A REAL GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR HER. SHE'S BECOME MORE SOCIAL LICENSED THAN I WOULD USE THE DOG PARK. UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW IT, IT IS ONCE IT'S DONE. I DO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING, UH, A DIFFERENT, UH, SURFACE AREA THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITIES. I WOULD, UM, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH ANYONE AND INDEFINITELY TALK IT UP AMONGST THE YPI HOUR, UH, ATTENDEES. IN TERMS OF THE SURFACE OF THE FIELD. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A GOLF COURSE OR MY BACKYARD I HAD IN OHIO. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST. WHAT I WOULD REALLY LOOK FOR IS LIKE, WHEN IT'S REALLY RAINY LIKE IT HAS BEEN. AND I CAN'T, DON'T TAKE MY DOG ON THE TRAILS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO MUDDY THAT I CAN'T STAND UP. SO SHE CAN, BUT THEN I HAVE TO CLEAN HER UP. BUT THE POINT IS, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A REALLY NICE, A PLACE WHERE WHEN IT IS NICE WEATHER OR INCLEMENT WEATHER, I'VE GOT A PLACE FOR TO GO TAKE MY DOG, LET HER RUN, SOCIALIZE SOME WITH OTHER PEOPLE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD TONIGHT ABOUT SAYING YOU WANNA OFFER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE MM-HMM. . AND, UH, YOU DO THAT VERY, VERY WELL. AND I, I HOPE TO WORK WITH YOU SO THAT I COULD CONTINUE WITH THE NEW DOG PARK. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU CINDY. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND, UM, WHY DON'T WE START ON THIS SIDE, COUNCIL. OKAY. I GUESS I'M DONE. THUMB UP. YOU'RE DONE. . OH, 10 O'CLOCK. I'M WAY DONE. COUNCIL FULTZ YOUR COMMENTS. [05:10:01] OKAY. I WANNA TRY TO CUT TO THE CHASE AGAIN IF I CAN. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THANKS TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE AT 10 0 4 THIS EVENING TO LET US KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT, UH, THE DOG PARK AND THE PROPOSED SURFACE FOR THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, MR. GALE, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE STATE OF WATER AVAILABILITY AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE HERE THAT DESPITE BEING IN A STATE THAT IS SEEING A, A LOSS OF WATER AVAILABILITY, WHAT IS AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE TO OUR CITY IS STILL ROBUST. UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD, UH, TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED EITHER. SO IT'S, UH, IT IS VERY SOBERING THINKING ABOUT COMMITTING TO, YOU KNOW, A 3 MILLION GALLON, UM, USAGE OF WATER. BUT I CANNOT APPLAUD ENOUGH, UH, CITY STAFF, UM, COMING UP WITH SOME IDEAS FOR HOW TO CREATE AN OFFSETTING UH, SCENARIO FOR THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT LEADS ME TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS WITHOUT, UH, ANY PARTICULAR RESERVATION. SO, THAT'S IT. OKAY. COUNCIL DUNN. SO I'M REALLY CONFLICTED. UM, I HAVE THREE DOGS. UM, THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW THAT THEY'RE BIG DOGS, UM, I, THEY, THEY DON'T RUN ON GRASS. UM, THEY SEEM PERFECTLY HAPPY NOT RUNNING ON GRASS. UM, I LIVE IN THE, UM, SOUTHWEST AND IT'S A DESERT AREA THAT WE LIVE IN. I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, DESIRE FOR GRASS. UH, I HAVE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, UM, HERE AND HOW MUCH MAINTENANCE THE CITY STAFF IS ACTUALLY WILLING TO DO, AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST SAYING THOSE ARE UNKNOWNS. UM, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE JUST SORT OF SAYING GO FORTH AND, AND DO, UM, WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THOSE IMPLICATIONS AROUND. UM, IF YOU'RE GETTING TO NET ZERO, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO GET TO NET ZERO? IF YOU'RE GETTING TO 20% LOW NET ZERO, WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THAT? AND WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THOSE THINGS? WHAT'S THE IMPLICATION OF DOING MAINTENANCE? WHAT KIND OF MAINTENANCE LEVEL ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE AS A CITY BEFORE IT BECOMES REALLY EXPENSIVE TO HAVE THIS DOG PARK? AND I DON'T WANT THE DOG PARK TO TURN INTO MUD, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RED ROCK DUST, YOU'RE NOT GONNA LIKE MUD. UM, EITHER. I CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE MY DOGS BEING MUDDY, SO I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE SORT OF A CART BLANCHE. I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE IT BE THAT YOU COME BACK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LET US UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS REALLY MEANS, UM, FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND, UM, NOT JUST FOR THE, THE DOG PARK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. VICE MAYOR. WELL, I, I TRUST OUR STAFF AND, UH, IF I'M WILLING TO GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND, UH, AND TO LET US KNOW HOW THEY MADE THAT DECISION. I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO AGENDA THIS AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL AGAIN, ALTHOUGH I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU JUST SAID. I THINK WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION. AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL. I THINK PEOPLE DO UNDERSTAND WHAT A DOG PARK IS. MOST PEOPLE HAVE LIVED IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S DOG PARKS AND TAKEN THEIR DOGS TO DOG PARKS. UH, SO I, I DON'T THINK THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE OUT OF LINE OF WHAT REALITY WILL BE, BUT I DO SUPPORT HAVING THE DOG PARK BE A GRASS PARK CASTOR WILLIAMSON. NOW, ALPHA COULD BE THE DEBBIE DOWNER. I ORIGINALLY OPPOSED GRASS IN THE DOG PARK, UM, FOR TWO REASONS. ONE WAS WATER. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TRADING, TRADING USE ISN'T, ISN'T THE GOAL OF CONSERVATION AND OF RESPONSIBLE WATER USE. I MEAN, WITHOUT GRASS, YOU WOULD BE SAVING 3000 GALLONS AND SOMEHOW SAYING, OH, WELL, WE WERE NOT GONNA WATER OVER HERE, BUT WE ARE GONNA PUT IN GRASS THAT WILL USE, UH, THE SAME AMOUNT WHEN YOU COULD HAVE JUST NOT, YOU COULD HAVE REDUCED IT BY 3000. SO, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T COMPORT. I, I THINK JIM GAIL MADE THE BEST ARGUMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, WE CAN RATIONALIZE EVERYTHING AND WE DO UP HERE RATIONALIZE EVERYTHING. [05:15:01] UM, SOMETIMES THE LDC HAS TO BE FOLLOWED TO THE LETTER. OTHER TIMES, OH, IT'S JUST AN LDC REQUIREMENT. SO WE ALL DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL MAKING THE ARGUMENTS THAT WORK FOR US. AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THE NU NO NET INCREASE IS REALLY, IT DOES WORK IF, IF WHAT IF WHAT YOU WANT IS GRASS. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT RATIONALE. I DO UNDERSTAND IT. ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT TRULY FROM A RESPONSIBLE ENVIRONMENTAL POINT, THE IDEA IS TO REDUCE NOT JUST SORT OF, WELL, NOT JUST SPEND UP TO YOUR CREDIT LIMIT . UM, THE OTHER REASON I OPPOSED IT WAS BECAUSE I FUNDAMENTALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GRASS AS A DOG PARK, HEAVY USE DOG PARK SURFACE IS RESPONSIBLE AND CAN BE SUSTAINED ADEQUATELY FOR OVER TIME. I WENT TO THE COTTONWOOD DOG PARK TODAY, AND I TOOK PICTURES AND TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE DOWN THERE. THEY HAVE GRASS, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, UH, UH, A DIRT FIELD BECAUSE THEIR GRASS DIES IN THE, IN THE WINTER. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS, BUT IT'S JUST DIRT. UM, AND I TALK TO A WOMAN AND I, UH, I SAY SHE COMES THERE EVERY DAY AND I SAID, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT RAINS? AND SHE SAID, OH, WELL, IT GETS REALLY MUDDY AND ICKY AND NOBODY COMES. THEN NOW THE DOG PARK SURFACE IN OUR DOG PARK, IT DRAINS . IT DOESN'T STAY MUDDY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AND SO THERE ARE SOME DOWNSIDES I LIKED, UM, COUNCILMAN FURMAN'S SUGGESTED TO HAVE IT HALF AND HALF, BECAUSE WHEN THE, WHEN THE MUD SIDE IS MUDDY, YOU CAN ALWAYS USE THE OTHER SIDE. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A REASONABLE, UH, WORKS BETTER FOR ME. UM, I GOT AN EMAIL TODAY, I KNOW WE ALL DID, FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS ADAMANT ABOUT STAYING EXACTLY WHERE SHE IS AT THE ATH AT THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. AND SHE SAID, AND YOU KNOW, SHE'S NOT HERE AND THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE. AND, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS ONE PERSON. SHE SAID, OH, I DON'T THINK MANY OF US ARE GOING TO GO USE THE DOG PARK ANYWAY. UM, AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SURFACE IS, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A POINT OF VIEW. UM, AND I ALSO SORT OF DON'T AGREE THAT IT'S UNDERUTILIZED. IF YOU WENT ONCE AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BACK, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HOW UTILIZED IT IS. I WENT EVERY DAY FOR QUITE A WHILE AND THERE'S A STANDARD GROUP OF PEOPLE COME, THEY COME AT DIFFERENT. WE ALL CAME AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND WE HAD 'EM AT OUR FRIENDS THERE, AND WE SAT AND WE TALKED, AND IT SEEMED TO ME HEAVILY UTILIZED. UM, AND I KNOW AT THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, A WOMAN IN THE AUDIENCE SAID, WHAT ABOUT THOSE OF US WHO USE THE DOG PARK? NOW? WHY ISN'T ANYBODY CONSIDERING US? WE LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS. UM, SO THERE'S A COUPLE, AND I JUST, I FUNDAMENTALLY DON'T BELIEVE A HEAVY USE BY DOGS IN A LIMITED AREA IS, IS IS SUSTAINABLE MAINTENANCE WISE OVER TIME. I KNOW. YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU THINK YOU SAY IT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, BE MAINTAINED LIKE A PRISTINE, UH, GOLF COURSE. IT HAS TO BE LIKE A PARK. BUT THE PARKS I'VE SEEN, THEY'RE NOT HEAVILY USED BY DOGS. UM, PLAYING DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY, PEOPLE WALK ALONG THEM, BIRDS FLIP ON THEM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT USED IN THE SAME WAY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MAINTAINED, I DON'T BELIEVE, TO A PARK STANDARD. IT'S GOING TO BE WELL, WELL PATCHY AND MUDDY AND HOLES. AND I JUST THINK FOR A LONG TERM IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT A RESPONSIBLE WAY TO GO TO HAVE A DOG PARK. MY DOG GOES TO, YEAH, GOES TO THE DOG PARK, HE GETS DIRTY. YES, HE'S A DOG. HE GETS DIRTY. HE PLAYS, HE HAS A GOOD TIME. UM, AND THAT'S, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S SUSTAINABLE. UH, TWO REASONS FROM THE WATER POINT OF VIEW AND FROM THE MAINTENANCE POINT OF VIEW. SO THAT'S REALLY WHY, WHY I DON'T SUPPORT THIS. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE LIKE GRASS. I LIKE GRASS. I USED TO GO TO YAPPY HOUR. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NICE. [05:20:01] UM, I, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL USE THE NEW DOG PARK IF IT'S HALF GRASS OR ALL GRASS. AND I WOULD PREFER IT ONLY BE HALF GRASS BECAUSE I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO, TO USE IT WHEN IT RAINS. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, KNOW IT'S NOTHING. YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD GRASS LATER. IF YOU DO IT HALF AND HALF AND YOU FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, IN FACT NOBODY AT ALL EVER WENT IN THE NON GRASS PART, THEN, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN PUT GRASS DOWN. SO THAT WAS WERE THE REASONS THAT I, WHY I OBJECT TO, TO DOING GRASS. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. COUNCILOR FURMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, UH, FIRST WANNA THANK, UH, MS FOR LIGHT FORSYTH FOR, UH, RESPONDING TO MY LET THE DOGS VOTE AND CHALLENGING ME TO GO TO A YAPPY HOUR AND TO MAKE THE OBSERVATION. AND I'M GONNA TAKE THAT CHALLENGE. HOPEFULLY I'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT BEFORE WE TALK AGAIN. UM, I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT SOME OF US SAY SAND. SOME OF US SAY DG, SOME OF US SAY DIRT, SOME OF US SAY GRAVEL. I DON'T KNOW THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE TO GRASS IS, WE ALL RE ACTUALLY HAVE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT IS. AND ACTUALLY, WHEN I TALKED TO SOMEBODY AT THE DOG PARK, UH, THIS MORNING, UM, THEY, WHEN I SAID DG, THEY THOUGHT I MEANT THE GRAVEL THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BACKYARD. YOU KNOW, THAT STUFF THAT DOGS WOULDN'T REALLY LIKE TO RUN ON OR MOST DO. BUT I MEAN, IT'S SHARPER. THE MATERIAL THAT'S AT THE SURFACE OF OUR CURRENT DOG PARK, OUTSIDE OF THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AREA IS WHAT WE, I UNDERSTAND WE CALL DG NOW, IT'S NOT ALWAYS THERE BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY NEEDS MAINTENANCE TOO. IT, THE DOGS KICK IT OFF AND PEOPLE KICK IT OFF AND THE RAIN KICKS IT OFF AND WE GOTTA REBUILD IT AND DO THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT THAT'S DG AND IT'S NOT SAND AND IT'S NOT DIRT. MM-HMM. . SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US ALL TO HAVE A REALLY COMMON UNDERSTANDING HERE OF WHAT THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT MY STANDARD IS NOT KNOWN THAT GAIN IN WATER USE, MY STANDARD IS GONNA BE, UH, BETTER THAN THAT. AND NOW MR. GALE SAID 20%, I, I WASN'T PREPARED TO SAY A NUMBER TODAY. AND, UM, 20% IS AN INTERESTING KIND OF NUMBER. I PUT OUT 50% , YOU KNOW, IF WE A WHOLE GRASS FIELD VERSUS HALF A GRASS FIELD. AND SO I'M GONNA BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA. I'M ENCOURAGED, I WOULD LIKE US, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO BETTER THAN NOTING THAT GAIN AND WATER USE. SO THANK YOU COUNCILOR KINSELLA. OKAY, JUST A SECOND. OKAY. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCILOR PLU MADE, SO I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT THEM. ANYBODY CAN GO TO THE TAPE AND WATCH. UH, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DO WANT TO, UM, SAY THANK YOU TO COUNSELOR VOLTZ FOR POINTING OUT THAT WE ARE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION WITH WATER HERE IN SEDONA. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOOD OR BAD, IT MEANS IT'S UNIQUE TO SEDONA AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAPPENS IN MARICOPA OR TUCSON OR FLAGSTAFF OR, YOU KNOW, PAGE OR WHATEVER. IT'S, IT'S SEDONA. AND WE ARE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING UNDER A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT HAVING THE INFORMATION. AND THAT INFORMATION IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS PROPOSED, GETTING TO HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING. AND I DO THINK THAT THE CITY STAFF AND WHAT KAREN HAD DESCRIBED BEFORE, PUTTING TOGETHER WITH SUSTAINABILITY WITH PARKS AND REC, WITH MAINTENANCE, ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO MAKE SOME OF THIS ANALYSIS. UM, I ALSO, UM, WANTED TO, UH, SAY, YES, I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNSELOR FURMAN, THAT ANY SURFACE REQUIRES MAINTENANCE. SO TO JUST SAY THAT SAND IS BETTER THAN GRASS IS BETTER THAN DECO BOW'S GRANITE, WHICH I THOUGHT DG STOOD FOR DOG GONE BY THE WAY. BUT ANYWAY, UM, THAT ANY OF THAT ALL AGAIN NEEDS THAT ANALYSIS. AND THAT'S NOT ANALYSIS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THAT WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING, BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDINGS OF THESE TERMS OF ART THAT OUR STAFF DOES UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL AT THAT. SO THOSE ARE, THEY'RE MY COMMENTS. I AM, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF TRYING TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT WERE OUTLINED BY OUR CITY MANAGER AND TO THAT HOPEFUL GOAL, I DO HAVE A MOTION THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE WHEN YOU DEEM IT APPROPRIATE. MAYOR. WELL, ONCE YOU RUN IT PAST, THAT'LL BE FINE. OKAY. [05:25:01] THANK YOU. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. OKAY. UM, I HAVEN'T COMMENTED, SO I KNOW TO DO SO, UH, IF YOU ARE FROM THE DOG PARK, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THE DOG PARK. I HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT OVER THE YEARS. SO, UH, BUT I HAVE ALWAYS HAD, I'M ON MY SECOND SET OF DOGS NOW, PUPPIES. THEY'VE BEEN MY, BEEN IN MY BACKYARD WITH DG CRUSHED GRANITE FINE. AND I'VE, THEY'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM RUNNING ON IT. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. NOW, THESE TWO PUPPIES I HAVE, THEY ROLL ON IT, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT OF ALL THE TIME I'VE BEEN SPENDING AT THE DOG PARK, I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS FROM THE DOG OWNERS FOR GRASS. I ORIGINALLY OPPOSED THE, UM, THE GRASS PROPOSAL BECAUSE OF 3000 GALLONS OF WATER. 3 MILLION GALLONS, YES. BIG DIFFERENCE. UNDERSTANDING THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF'S PROPOSAL OF BETTER THAN NET ZERO. I CAN CHANGE MY OPINION. AND, UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF WE ALLOW, IF I SUPPORT GRASS, MY EXPECTATION IS NOT A PARK GRASS, IT'S NOT A BALL FIELD OF GRASS. IT'S A DOG PARK GRASS. AND I WOULD REALLY FEEL BAD. WE ALL WENT THROUGH ALL THIS, UH, EXERCISE HERE. WE CAME BACK AND WE, WE DISCUSSED IT AND WE LISTENED TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED. BUT THEN IF IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT, IT WASN'T A BULL FIELD GRASS. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE COMMUNITY OR THE DOG PARK PEOPLE, OR YPI HOUR, I SHOULD REALLY SAY YPI HOUR, I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE A HIGH EXPECTATION THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME GRASS AS THEY'RE GETTING IN THE BULL FIELD. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN MY MIND. I UNDERSTAND AND I SEE PEOPLE AGREEING WITH ME. THAT'S, THAT'S NICE. BUT THAT'S ONLY SIX PEOPLE, FIVE PEOPLE. OKAY. I'VE SEEN AS MUCH AS 85 PEOPLE IN THE DOG PARK, EVEN JUST TWO WEEKS AGO. YAPPY HOUR. THANK YOU. YAPPY HOUR . IT'S LATE. UM, IT'S ALMOST TOMORROW. IT IS ALMOST TOMORROW. WE HAVE A BIG DAY TOMORROW. SO, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WANNA EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THOSE 80 PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE TODAY, THAT WHEN EVERYBODY GOES AND TALKS TO THEIR FRIENDS ON THURSDAY AT YPI HOUR, NINE O'CLOCK, I THINK IT'S STILL AT NINE O'CLOCK. THEY UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BALLFIELD GRA MY EXPECTATION IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BALLFIELD GRASS IF IT'S APPROVED ON THE DAY OF TONIGHT. SO I WILL SUPPORT GRASS AS LONG AS THE STAFF DOES THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. I TRUST THEM. AND, UH, I, I'M WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD. I DO UNDERSTAND. I LISTENED VERY CLOSELY TO, UH, COUNSELOR, UH, DON, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR EXPECTATIONS. I DON'T WANNA DRAG THIS OUT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN BANTED BACK AND FORTH FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. UH, AT LEAST FOR ME, I'M WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND TRUST STAFF THAT THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY SAY. SO, AND I'M SURE YOU DO TOO. YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION. BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, I'M FINE WITH IT. SO, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. UH, COUNSELOR COULD TELL YOU IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THE MOTION OR SAY THE MOTION FOR US SO WE UNDERSTAND, SO WE KNOW WE'RE VOTING ON AHEAD OF TIME, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. THE MOTION THAT I WOULD MAKE WOULD BE, I WOULD MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE OPENING OF THE DOG PARK WITH A TEMPORARY SAND SURFACE AS WE MOVE TOWARD A GRASS SERVICE WITH THE CAVEATS THAT ONE, THERE BE A NET DECREASE IN CITY WATER USAGE. TWO, THAT YPI HOUR ON THE BALL FIELD CONTINUE UNTIL THE GRASS IS INSTALLED AT THE DOG PARK. AND THREE, THAT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SURFACE CHANGES, UM, OR NOTABLE MAINTENANCE CONCERNS, UH, THAT, THAT COME BACK TO COUNCIL CLARIFICATION QUESTION. WELL, LET'S, LET'S HAVE, UH, THE CITY MANAGER GIVE HER, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT KATHY SAID. GO AHEAD. I HAD A CLARIFYING QUESTION AS WELL, SO GO AHEAD. PROBABLY GONNA BE THE SAME. ONE MIGHT BE COUNCIL, YOU SAID SAND AND YEP. . RIGHT? ME TOO. I HAD TO THINK QUESTION. WASN'T THAT WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE? SHE DID. SO I DID, DID AND TO COUNSELOR FURMAN'S POINT, IT'S, I AM USING THAT LOOSELY. I DO NOT MEAN IT WILL BE A BEACH. I MEAN THAT IT WILL BE PROBABLY A VERY SIMILAR SURFACE TO WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS A SORT OF A COMPOSITE DG GRAVELLY SURFACE. SO DOG POOP SURFACE. WOULD THE WORD COMPOSITE SURFACE SATISFY? I THINK BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT THE RANGE OF MATERIALS COULD BE THAT MIGHT END UP THERE. YES. OKAY. THEN I WILL CHANGE THE WORD SAND TO COMPOSITE IN THE MOTION. MR. MAYOR? UH, YES SIR. [05:30:01] WHAT ABOUT, UH, COUNCIL OR FURMAN'S, UH, SUGGESTION ABOUT 50 50. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE STILL WANTING TO PUT FORWARD COUNSEL? I, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PHASED APPROACH TO THIS THING BECAUSE COMMITTING TO IRRIGATION AND USING WATER IS A, IS A BIG COMMITMENT. MR. MR. MAY, MAY I ASK FOR CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? JUST LET ME MAKE SURE THAT COUNCILOR FERMAN IS DONE WITH HIS COUNCIL. FOLTZ IS DANG . I'M GOING THROUGH BED. I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS BOTH WAYS. GO AHEAD. DOES COUNCILOR KINSELLA SUPPORT THAT ADDITIONAL CONDITION IN THE MOTION THAT SHE'S MAKING? I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IDEA TO THIS MOTION. SO I'M NOT, I WOULD NOT AMEND THE MOTION THAT I WILL BE PROPOSING TO INCORPORATE THAT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. SO WE CAN MAKE THE MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT. I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION. YEAH, I HAVE ANOTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO, COUNCILOR DUN, I GOT IT RIGHT. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THAT'S CUZ WE DON'T LOOK ALIKE. YEAH, NO. WELL, YEAH, THEY DON'T LOOK ALIKE EITHER. , JUST, I'M GETTING PUNCH. GO AHEAD. UM, SO YOUR, YOUR FINAL POINT WAS AROUND MAINTENANCE. COULD YOU PLEASE READ THAT AGAIN? YES. THE THIRD CAVEAT WAS THAT IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER SURFACE CHANGES OR NOTABLE MAINTENANCE CONCERNS THAT, THAT COME BACK TO COUNCIL. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IN MY MIND, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THIS WOULD REQUIRE X AMOUNT, WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT BEFORE COMING FORWARD. I'M LE LEAVING THE SUBJECTIVE CALL ON WHAT, WHAT A NOTABLE MAINTENANCE CONCERN WOULD BE TO STAFF TO BRING FORWARD, BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS BRING US ANYTHING THAT'S NOTABLE. SO I TRUST THEM IN THIS 1000%. OKAY. SO, SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA THAT NOTABLE IS EXTREMELY VAGUE YES. TO YOU, I THINK, I THINK NOTABLE IS EXTREMELY VAGUE TO MOST PEOPLE. SO CAN I TRY TO CLARIFY THAT? SURE, PLEASE. IF WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THE SURFACE TO SORT OF YOUR STANDARD AVERAGE DOG PARK, QUALITY OF GRASS WITHIN EXISTING STAFF, WHICH NOBODY KNOWS RESOURCES, WHAT THAT IS, THEN WE WILL NOT COME BACK. IF IT WOULD REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES OR WE DO NOT THINK THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN IT TO A STANDARD THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE IN , WE WOULD COME BACK . OH, THAT'S MUCH CLEARER. SO THAT, SO THAT IS NOW IN THE RECORD AS THE STAFF'S RESPONSE TO NOTABLE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE ME LEAVE NOTABLE IN THE RESOLUTION FOR NOW WITH THAT EXPLANATION. ANOTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION, MAYOR PETE, GO RIGHT AHEAD. COUNCIL, FURMAN OFF WITH THAT. YEAH. COUNCILOR PETE, COUNCIL PETE WORKS FOR ME. I WASN'T CLEAR WHEN YOU FIRST MADE THE MOTION THAT THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE THE FINAL DECISION AND IF SOMETHING BAD WERE TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD COME BACK. SO THE WORDS THAT YOU USED WERE A NERE DECREASE IN WATER USE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S A SOFT NUMBER TWO. YES. AND THE, AND THE INTENTIONAL AND THE, AND THE CITY MANAGER COULD COME BACK WITH A 99.99%, UH, NUMBER, THAT'S A NET DECREASE. AND SO SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I, I WOULD NEED A, A DIFFERENT NUMBER IF YOU, OKAY. I WOULD BE, I WOULD OPEN TO AMENDING THIS IF YOU COULD GIVE ME SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, AGAIN, THE SAME COMMENTS THAT I MADE BEFORE ARE I, I, I THINK BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT AND BASED ON CONVERSATIONS I HAD, UM, PREVIOUSLY WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE GOAL, I MEAN, I TRUST THAT IT WILL NOT BE, YOU KNOW, HALF A PERCENT UNDER I, I I THINK THAT I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE WHAT IS FIVE MIGHT WORK FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR BRIAN AND 60 MIGHT WORK FOR YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I I WOULD RATHER JUST PUT THAT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO PUT SOME CONFIDENCE BACK IN THAT OUR SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE WORKING ON THIS AS WELL AND BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR CITY MANAGER ABOUT WHAT PERCENTAGE IS A GOOD DECREASE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OR NOT, I MEAN, AND ALL THAT WILL BE IN, IN CONSIDERATION THERE. SO I MEAN, I, I I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO FURTHER CLARIFY THAT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER YOU WANNA SUGGEST, I'LL ENTERTAIN IT. , WELL, HE SAID 50%. SO KAREN, WHAT DO YOU THINK MIGHT BE WHAT'S REALLY, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S DOABLE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW. THAT'S RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT NO NET GAIN IS DOABLE. YEAH. I LIKE TO, UM, UNDER PROMISE AND OVER-DELIVER. MM-HMM. . SO QUITE FRANKLY, IN MY MIND, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME NET REDUCTION MM-HMM. . UM, BUT I DON'T WANNA COMMIT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T YET KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SO IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC GOAL, [05:35:01] 20%, 30%, 50%, YOU NEED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND IF WE CAN GET THERE, WE WILL GET THERE. WE CAN'T GET THERE, THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND TELL YOU THAT WE CAN'T GET THERE. WELL, JUST ONE SECOND. KAREN, ARE YOU DONE? YES. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL WILLIAMS. THE WHOLE IDEA IS WHETHER IT COMES BACK OR NOT AND COUNT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. NO. THIS IS ONE OF THE REAL THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE REDUCTION. UM, I THINK IF, IF, IF COUNSELOR FURMAN IS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS, AND MAYBE OTHERS ARE AS WELL, I DON'T KNOW, PERHAPS YOU COULD SAY A NET REDUCTION. AND IF IT'S NOT A RE NET REDUCTION, SHE COMES BACK WHAT THE MOTION IS FOR A NET DECREASE. OH, THE MOTION IS FOR A NET DECREASE. SAID DECREASE FOR THERE'S SYNONYMOUS. WELL, SHE, SHE JUST SAID NO NET, NO NET INCREASE. SO SHE SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THAT REALLY IS, IS A GALLON. RIGHT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ESTIMATING AT 3 MILLION, UM, IF WE WENT FROM 3 MILLION TO 2,999,000. NO, NO, I KNOW. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, SO WE'RE SORT OF SPLITTING HAIRS AT THAT POINT. I, WE, WE ARE GONNA TRY TO GET SOMETHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL, BUT I I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN, CAN NO, I UNDER I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. WE ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FINAL COST OF THIS AT THIS POINT. YOU'VE GOT AN IRRIGATION QUESTION TO ANSWER. SO THE INITIAL ESTIMATE, COST ESTIMATE OF THE $155,000 INCLUDED NATURAL GRA GRASS. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL UNTIL WE SORT OF CONTEMPLATED THE, THE SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENT IN THE WATER USE. SO THE PROJECT CAN PROCEED UNDER EXISTING BUDGET IF IT WAS SYNTHETIC TURF, THAT JUST INCREASED YOUR COST VERY SIGNIFICANTLY. SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THE MM-HMM. NOTICE OF THE BEDROCK THAT EXISTS IN THE PLACE AND PUT IN IRRIGATION LINES IS GONNA ADD GOOD COST, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA COME IN AT THE HUNDRED THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE IT WITH AN EXISTING BUDGET COST. WELL, I'M PUT OUT 20%. YEAH. IF YOU PUT OUT 20%, IT MAKES HIM HAPPY AND YOU CAN'T MAKE 20%, THEN YOU COME BACK. THAT'S ALL. I THINK THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT MOTION. YEAH, I DO TOO. I THINK MY WORDING WAS A NET DECREASE. YOU ASKED FOR A NUMBER IN CITY, YOU ASKED. YEAH, I KNOW I DID. I SAID I WOULD CONSIDER IT. I'M NOW TELLING YOU I'VE CONSIDERED IT. NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT , BUT THEN I MIGHT MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO PUT 20% ON THE TABLE. BUT IF YOU, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A NET DECREASE, I'M, I'M THINKING NET ZERO. SO IF, IF WE KNOW THAT THE, THE, UH, EXPANSION WOULD BE 3 MILLION GALLONS AND STAFF COME, COME UP WITH THE WAY TO OFFSET THAT TO ZERO, TO ME, THAT'S A DECREASE. NEIL, MAYOR, I'M, I'M, I'M DRIVEN BY THE THOUGHT THAT WE HAVE PUT A CHALLENGE OUT THERE OF 50% REDUCTION IN GREENHOUSE GASES, BUT WE'RE SAYING ZERO ON WATER AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU, WOULD YOU GO FOR 10%, AT LEAST A 10% IN DECREASE? NO. NO, BUT YOU COULDN'T THE MOTION, YEAH. VOTE THE MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. OKAY. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE MOTION'S GONNA BE ANYMORE. OKAY. MY, MY MO JUST, JUST ONE SECOND. I'D LIKE, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY, YOU RECOGNIZED ME TO MAKE THE MOTION. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION AND I'M GONNA GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY FIRST TO, I, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS POINT AND SEE IF IT PASSES OR FAIL. RIGHT, EXACTLY. I JUST WANTED SUBSEQUENT MOTION CAN BE PROPOSED. MOVE MM-HMM. FIRST. OKAY. GO. GO FOR IT. OKAY. UH, MY MOTION IS I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE OPENING OF THE DOG PARK WITH A TEMPORARY COMPOSITE SURFACE AS WE MOVE TOWARD A GRASS SURFACE WITH THE CAVEATS THAT ONE, THERE BE A NET DECREASE IN CITY WATER. USE TWO THAT YAPPY HOUR ON THE BALL FIELD CONTINUE UNTIL THE GRASS IS INSTALLED AT THE DOG PARK. AND THREE, THAT THERE, THERE ARE ANY OTHER SURFACE CHANGES OR NOTABLE MAINTENANCE CONCERNS TO CONSIDER THAT THOSE COME BACK TO COUNCIL. OKAY. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND ADVICE. THE VICE MAYOR, THE MOTION BY, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA. WE'RE UP FOR DISCUSSION NOW. WE HAVE THE MOTION. CAN WE, LET'S DISCUSS IT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION POINTS? NO. MAYOR, WHAT ARE OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE? IS, UH, IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT? NO. ONLY IF IT, IF NO, THE MOTION HAS TO BE VOTED UP OR DOWN. RIGHT. THEN WE CAN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION. YEAH. AFTER, AFTER A [05:40:01] SECOND. IT'S, IT'S CONTRARY TO ROBERT'S RULES, BUT THOSE ARE OUR LOCAL RULES. I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSION. . YES, HE ASKED. WELL, WHEN NOBODY ASKED, ASKED. YOU DIDN'T LOOK THIS WAY. I DID LOOK THIS WAY. LOOKED AT ME. OH, SORRY. HE LOOKED AT YOU. PETE. FERMAN. . YEAH. OKAY. SO MY COMMENT IS, IS I, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I'D WANNA SEE, UH, COUNSELOR FURMAN'S, UH, ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF GO 50 50 BETWEEN GRASS AND THE, UH, ALTERNATE MATERIAL, UH, INITIALLY. OTHERWISE, I SUPPORT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THE MOTION. SO WE'LL VOTE. SO WE VOTED. I DIDN'T SAY NO. I MEAN, I DIDN'T VOTE. WAIT A MINUTE. WE DIDN'T VOTE YET ON BEFORE JOANNE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THE VOTE. YEAH, YEAH. I, I WOULD CALL THE VOTE AGAIN. IT WAS UNCLEAR. HALF VOTED AND SOME WEREN'T VOTED. YEAH, HALF VOTED. RIGHT. AND, AND WE GOT MY MISTAKE. I'M SORRY. UM, OKAY. DOES MY MOTION NEED TO BE RESTATED AGAIN? NO, NO, NO. IT'S OKAY. . OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THANK YOU KIRK. ALL AYE. AYE, AYE. AYE. CAN WE RAISE OUR HANDS? YES. I, OKAY. YOU HAVE THAT. SO THAT'S THREE. THE 4, 4 3. YOU HAVE THAT THE, THE NAMES JOANNE, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE THAT TO HER? YOU COUNCILOR KINSELLA, MYSELF. KINSELLA, CORRECT? NO, SHE GOT IT. OKAY. SO ALTHOUGH IS IT OPPOSED? NAY. NAY. OKAY. THE OTHER FOUR, YOU DIDN'T VOTE. OH, SHE DID. YOU VOTED NAY. YES. OKAY. SO THE, THE MOTION FAILS. FOUR THREE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A, A MOTION THAT ESSENTIALLY INCORPORATES COUNCIL OR KINSELLA MOTION, BUT JUST ADDS THE CONDITION THAT WE PHASE THE IMPLEMENTATION HERE 50% INITIALLY. AND THEN IN TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD, WE RECONSIDER WHETHER TO EXPAND IT TO A HUNDRED PERCENT. DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT MYSELF. I MAY I SPEAK TO IT? I NO, THERE'S NO SECONDS. YEAH, NO, I, I, I ACTUALLY, WELL WE DIDN'T ON MINE EITHER. WE WERE ONLY DOING THE CLARIFICATIONS WITHDRAW. HE'S WITHDRAWING WITH THAT MOTION. THAT DOESN'T EVEN MEET MY NEEDS, SORT OF. OKAY. THEN IF IT'S MAY I, MR. MAYOR NOT YES SIR. MISDEMEANOR COUNCIL. DUN. YEAH, THE 50. THE 50 50. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. SO IF WE'RE NOT PUTTING GRASS IN THE ENTIRE DOG PARK, YOU STILL HAVE THE PART THAT'S ALREADY DEI AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE NEW PART, WHICH IS GRASS. AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY? YES. MISS CITY MANAGER. YES. OKAY. SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE 50 50 SORT OF THING. AND QUITE HONESTLY, DOGS JUST AREN'T GONNA CARE. UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA PLAY WHEREVER THEY'RE GONNA PLAY. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT HELPED. I THOUGHT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO MODIFY WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED IT TO BE NET ZERO. CORRECT. OR WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED IT TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAN NET ZERO BEFORE THEY HAD TO COME BACK TO US. SO, AND IF I COULD CLARIFY THAT, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION CONTEMPLATED CONVERTING THE EXISTING COMPOSITE AREA TO GRASS, WHERE IT WOULD BE 20,000 SQUARE FEET, THE ENTIRE DOG PARK WOOD. SO DOES THE WHOLE WHOLE DOG PARK YES. I THINK YES. THE, THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS THAT. OKAY, SO CAN WE CHANGE IT TO WHAT COUNSELOR DUNN HAS SUGGESTED LEAVING THE EXISTING DOG PARK AT THE, AT DG AND HAVE THE NEW FIELD GRASS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE SPLIT IS OF THAT, BUT DEFENSE IS IN YES. I BELIEVE IF THAT'S THE DESIRE, COUNSEL, WE CAN JUST DO A DIFFERENT SERVICE. THAT WAS YOUR, THAT WAS YOUR SUGGESTION, WASN'T IT? WELL, NO. OH, I'M CONFUSED BY, IT'S AFTER 10 AND I'M CONFUSED ABOUT SOMETHING, BUT I'M, YEAH, I'M APPEAL. THAT HAS SOME APPEAL TO ME. WE, I WAS UNAWARE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONVERTING THE HOLD DARN THING. MM-HMM. . AND I THINK THAT IF WE LEAVE THE EXISTING PART IN ITS EXISTING CONDITION, AND THE NEW THING IS JUST GRASS THAT GETS TO 50 50. I WOULD JUST ADD THE, DOESN'T GET TO YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S CLOSE. I MEAN, IT'S, I STOOD THERE AND LOOKED AT IT. IT'S CLOSE. WHATEVER THE FENCE LINE IS CURRENTLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THE, THE BACK PART IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THE FRONT PART. SO YOU COULD PROBABLY ABOUT THAT. YOU COULD PROBABLY THEN COMMIT TO A REDUCTION OF, BECAUSE IF IT'S ONLY HALF GRASS, YOU ONLY HAVE HAVE AS MUCH WATER. AND SINCE YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD MAKE THE WHOLE FIG, YOU SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMMIT TO A LOWER NUMBER. YOU JUST SOLVE BOTH PROBLEM. THAT'S REALISTIC. SO , I THINK WE DID OKAY. YEAH. SO, SO UNDER THAT CONDITION, WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, [05:45:02] THE 20% SEEMS SOMEWHAT OBTAINABLE THEN. YES. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ANOTHER MOTION, WHICH WILL BE VERY S STRIKINGLY SIMILAR TO MY FIRST MOTION. UM, WHICH IS I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE OPENING OF THE DOG PARK WITH A TEMPORARY COMPOSITE SURFACE AS WE MOVE TOWARD A GRASS SURFACE FOR THE EXPANDED PORTION ABORTION. OKAY. WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THERE BE A 20% DECREASE IN CITY WATER USE AND THE CAVEAT THAT YPI HOUR ON THE BALL FIELD CONTINUES UNTIL THE GRASS IS INSTALLED AT THE DOG PARK. AND THE THIRD CAVEAT THAT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SURFACE CHANGES, UH, OR NOTABLE MAINTENANCE ISSUES, UH, THAT THOSE COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION. I HAVE, I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION. , MY CLARIFYING QUESTION IS THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THERE THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD FIGURE IT OUT. SO CAN YOU READ IT AGAIN? YES. IT WAS IN THE FIRST PART. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S MOVING TO AUTHORIZE THE OPENING DOG PARK WITH THE TEMPORARY COMPOSITE SURFACE AS WE MOVE TOWARD A GRASS SURFACE FOR THE NEW EXTENDED PORTION OF THE DRAW DOG PARK WITH THE CAVEATS THAT THERE BE A DE UH, A 20% NET DECREASE IN WATER USAGE. SO KAREN, THE EXCAVATION WAS JUST OF THAT NEW AREA? YEAH. AND THAT'S 17,000 SQUARE FEET. I DO NOT HAVE THOSE. YOU DON'T KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FIGURES, BUT I'VE SEEN THAT AS YEAH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WE HAVE A, THE MOTION BY COUNCILOR CONSULTANT. OKAY. I KNOW WHAT IT WAS. EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY. THEN YOU SAID 20% DECREASE IN THE CITY WATER USAGE. THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE WHAT CITY FOR THIS ART? NOT CITYWIDE. YEAH, NOT CITYWIDE. OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? UM, OH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, EXTERIOR PARK RELATED WATERING. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE POTABLE WATER. UM, YOU KNOW, IN RECREATIONAL IT WOULD BE PARKS RELATED IN RECREATION. RECREATIONAL, RE RECREATIONAL. YES. WATER USE. YES. IN THE CITY'S RECREATIONAL WATER USE. HOW'S THAT, THAT MEANS NOT DRINKABLE OR, YES. I, I KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. I KNOW YOU DO , BUT I'M WORKING WITH THESE PEOPLE. , EXCEPT THAT MODIFICATION. SO WE NOW HAVE, UH, A MOTION, UH, BY COUNCILOR KINSELLA, UH, IT'S SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FURMAN, RIGHT? YES. UH, OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SURE. . I DON'T KNOW WHAT SURE IS. YES. SO NAY? YES. NAY. OKAY. SHE'S OPPOSING, SHE'S OPPOSED. I, I. OKAY. SO SIX TO ONE. JOANNE COUNSEL WILLIAMSON IS THE, UH, OPPOSITION. OKAY. AND JOANNE, I CAN GO OVER THIS LANGUAGE TOMORROW IF YOU WANT. NOT TONIGHT. OKAY, FOLKS. , WE HAVE A FIVE BREAK. YOU GONNA HANG OUT FOR ANOTHER HALF AN HOUR? WE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GO. DO WE? OKAY. UM, REPORTS AND DISCUSSION REGARDING COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. WE HAVE A FIVE MINUTE. YOU HAVE ANOTHER? YOU HAVE MORE? YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE NO, NO, I DON'T. OH, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT WE HAD, UM, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE ITEM FOR, UH, THE KIDS. NO. THE STATE LEGISLATION. I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S NEXT. OKAY. NEVERMIND. RIGHT. THAT'S TOMORROW HERE. THAT'S NOT TOMORROW. OKAY. OKAY. UH, REPORT AND DISCUSSION [8.g. Reports/discussion regarding Council assignments.] ON, UH, REGARDING COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. IT'S, KEEP IN MIND IT'S A QUARTER TO 11 AND I HAVE A LOT TO REPORT FROM STATE. FROM THE STATE AND SOME OTHER THINGS WE'VE DONE. SO, UH, ANYBODY HAVE, UH, COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS TO REPORT ON COUNCIL KINSELLA NOW THAT YOU MADE IT SO INVITING? NO. VICE MAYOR. COUNCIL. DUN. OKAY. UH, I WANNA JUST GO OVER SOME THINGS THAT WE MISSED AT THE LAST, UH, COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. DECEMBER 6TH, WE MET WITH STATE LEGISLATORS. OKAY. WE HELD THE PUBLIC MEETING TO WELCOME OUR, OUR NEW LD, ONE STATE LEADERS, UH, SENATE, UH, SENATOR KEN BENNETT AND REPRESENTATIVE SINA BLISS TO DISCUSS THE BIG ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, AFFECTING SEDONA SHORT TERM RENTALS AND A CAP LOW CONTROL AND OHVS. I WAS PERSONALLY VERY IMPRESSED BY, UH, THE WILLINGNESS OF OUR NEW LEGISLATORS TO REALLY MEET WITH US. AND I'M HOPING THAT THEY CONTINUE WITH THAT, UH, UH, COMMITMENT TO US. UH, AND I'LL, I'LL SKIP TO THEIR REP THEIR, UH, QUALIFICATIONS, BUT, UH, BECAUSE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, QUANG WYNN WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING ON JANUARY 4TH, I DROVE DOWN [05:50:01] TO STATE CAPITAL AND I MET WITH MR. WYNN, UH, FOR LUNCH. AND WE DISCUSSED SHORT-TERM RENTALS, OHVS, UH, AND SUPPORT FOR OUR, THE COMMUNITY PLAN BILL. AND HE'S, AS OF THAT DAY, AS OF 12 O'CLOCK THAT AFTERNOON, HE WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE THINGS. BUT HE DID HAVE SOME, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT APPEARING TO BE ANTI-BUSINESS. SO, BUT HE SEEMED SUPPORTIVE. UH, BUT OF THE, THE MEETING THAT WE HAD AT IN THE VAULTY, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT OF YOUR OPINIONS? NO. OKAY. I, I'LL JUST ADD VERY QUICKLY THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT MEETING, IN TALKING WITH OUR LOBBYIST AT THE INAUGURATION, HE SUGGESTED THAT THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE BILLS THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT OUR DELEGATION WOULD BE SUBMITTING. SO THE BRENDA BARTON BILL FROM LAST YEAR WOULD BE RESUBMITTED WITH THE CAPS AND A COUPLE OF OTHER BILLS, AND HE DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THEM. AND MAYBE, UH, THEY'RE REALLY COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING US IN THIS. RIGHT. I EVEN MORE STRONGLY, I FEEL LIKE, THAN OUR YES. PRIOR DELEGATIONS. RIGHT? YES. UH, ONE OTHER THING THAT, UH, CO, UH, REPRESENTATIVE WYNN WAS SUPPORTING WAS HE WAS SO IMPRESSED BY THE OUTREACH, BY SEDONA THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO GET TOGETHER, UH, EITHER BY ZOOM WITH COUNSEL IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE SO THAT HE CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER, UH, WHAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT HE ALSO WANTS TO HAVE HIS, THE OTHER REPRESENTATIVE, VALIS AND, UH, SENATOR, UH, BENNETT AS WELL. THEY WORKED WELL AS A TEAM AND THEY WANT TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. SO I WOULD, AT THAT DAY, AT THAT TIME, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED. UM, ON DECEMBER 29TH, I ATTENDED MY FIRST, UH, MAYOR MANAGER'S MEETING. IT'S A MONTHLY MEETING. UH, UH, MAYOR MANAGERS ACTUALLY A BIMONTHLY, UH, MEETING. AND THERE IS INTEREST OF, UH, WHAT PROBABLY NONE OF YOU HAVE HAD ATTENDED EXCEPT, UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON IS A INTER GOV MEETING, WHICH IS QUARTERLY ATTENDED BY ALL OF US FACE-TO-FACE, UH, IN THE VERDE VALLEY. AND IT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP AT OUR NEXT MAYOR AND MANAGER'S MEETING. AND, UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF SUPPORT IN THAT. THIS WAS ALL PRE COVID AND IT WAS GREAT THAT WE ACTUALLY KNEW THE OTHER COUNSELORS AND NOW WE DON'T. AND THE PROOF OF THAT WAS AT THE LAST LEAD CONFERENCE WHERE WE HARDLY, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHO THE OTHER PEOPLE WERE. SO IN THE PRIOR YEARS, WE KNEW EACH OTHER. WE WOULD GO TO LUNCH TOGETHER. IT, IT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE. SO THERE WAS SUPPORT TO DO THAT. UH, JANUARY 4TH, I MET WITH, UH, SEVEN OF OUR LOCAL GALLERY OWNERS FOR THEM TO SHARE THEIR CONCERNS AT THE LACK OF, UH, LACK OF BUSINESS AND THAT, THAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING. AND I'LL DISCUSS THIS FURTHER DURING, UH, TOMORROW AT THE, UH, OUR MEETING AND AT THE RETREAT. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT COVERS IT. IF ANYONE ELSE HAS NOTHING ELSE TO SAY, THEN UH, WE WILL, WE HAVE, HAVE ONE MORE ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA. WHAT DID I MISS? UH, DISCUSSION. UH, OKAY. FUTURE MEETINGS AND AGENDA ITEMS. THERE'S TOMORROW A MEETING AT THE COURTYARD BY MARRIOTT AT ONE O'CLOCK. I WILL PETS TOMORROW. THAT'S TOMORROW. TOMORROW. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FIVE HOUR MEETING AT LEAST HERE. THE RETREAT SOMEWHERE. DID KURT FORGET? NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO. NO. JUST CLARIFICATION ON THE LOCATION. THE COURT, YOUR HONOR. AT THE AREA, THE RETREAT WILL BE THE OTHER RESIDENT. THE RESIDENT RESIDENTS. OKAY. HEARING NOTHING ELSE, WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.