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[1. Call to Order/Pledge of Allegiance/Moment of Silence/Roll Call]
MORNING EVERYBODY.HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY AND HAPPY HUNDRED 11TH BIRTHDAY OF ARIZONA.
UH, WELCOME TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OFF YOUR PHONE AND TURN OFF YOUR PHONES OR SILENCE THEM, PLEASE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR.
AND WE'LL NOW HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
MADAM CLERK, WHEN YOU, UH, DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
HOW ABOUT COUNSELOR KINSELLA? I'M HERE TOO.
[2. City’s Vision/Moment of Art]
HAVE CLERK THE VISION STATEMENT.THE VISION THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE FOR THE FUTURE OF THEIR CITY IS TO BE A CITY THAT IS CONSTANTLY VIGILANT OVER THE PRESERVATION OF ITS NATURAL SCENIC BUSINESS AND PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT AND CULTURAL HERITAGE.
TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS ITS SMALL TOWN CHARACTER AND CREATES ITS MAN MEANING IMPROVEMENTS, STRICT TIME NATURE, TO BE A CITY THAT IS ANIMATED BY THE ARTS, WHO LIVES WITH A SPIRIT OF VOLUNTEERS TO HELP ACHIEVE OUR COMMON GOALS.
TO BE A CITY THAT OFFERS EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL AND FOSTERS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY TO BE A CITY THAT WELCOMES AN ICONIC ALL OF ITS VISITORS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS.
TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS AND ENHANCES A STRONG VITAL ECONOMY WHICH PRESERVES EXISTING LIFESTYLES WITHOUT EXPLOITING THE NATURAL WE TO BE A CITY THAT PUTS UP TO THE CHALLENGE, STEWARDSHIP OF ONE OF THE EARTH'S GREAT TREASURES.
SO YOU NEED TO SWITCH OVER? UM, I'M GOOD RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WE HAVE A MOMENT OF ART.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
I FIRST WANTED TO, UM, REMIND EVERYONE THAT MARCH 2ND THURSDAY IN THIS ROOM, WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT ARTIST RECEPTION AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MEET THE ARTIST AND GREET THEM.
STEPHANIE PHOTOGRAPHY IS IN THE FRONT WILDLIFE AND IN THE BACK IS CANON WINKLER'S ANIMAL PRINCE.
SO I HOPE EVERYONE CAN ATTEND.
AND MUSICIAN WILL BE WHO WAS THE LAST MOMENT OF ART, AMIR, WHICH I'M SURE HE'LL DRAW A BIG CROWD TOO.
SO, UM, I HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE THERE.
SO TODAY IS A MOMENT OF CULTURE AND I AM PROUD TO PRESENT NATE MYERS.
HE IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM.
ALTHOUGH HE IS A NEWCOMER TO THE SEDONA COMMUNITY, HE BRINGS WITH HIM NEARLY 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE MUSEUM FIELD AND A PASSION FOR WORKING IN SMALL MUSEUMS. HE HAS SERVED ON NUMEROUS STATE, REGIONAL AND NATIONAL MUSEUM COMMITTEES AND BOARDS, BRINGING WITH HIM A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE ABOUT MUSEUM COLLECTIONS, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, EXHIBITS, AND COMMUNITY BUILDING.
HE IS WITH US THIS EVENING TO SHARE JUST A FEW REASONS WHY WE LOVE SEDONA HISTORY AND WHY TODAY IS SO SPECIAL.
WELL, WHY NOT? SEE IF YOU GET IT AFTER YOUR PRESENTATION.
WELL, MAYOR JALO, VICE MAYOR, PLU COUNSELORS, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME SOME TIME
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HERE TONIGHT.THANK YOU ALSO TO NANCY FOR THE INTRODUCTION.
UH, AS NANCY SAID, I'M NATE MYERS.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM IN THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT JUST A FEW REASONS WHY WE AT THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM LOVE SEDONAS HISTORY.
UH, I DO HAVE A QUICK DISCLAIMER AT THE START HERE.
AS HARD AS I TRIED, I COULD NOT FIT ALL OF SEDONAS RICH UNIQUE AND FUN HISTORY INTO THIS PRESENTATION.
UH, FOR ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I LEFT OUT YOUR FAVORITE PART OF SEDONAS HISTORY.
UM, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S NOTHING PERSONAL.
IF YOURS DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT TONIGHT, REST ASSURED WE LOVE THAT PIECE OF HISTORY TOO.
SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, UH, WE ALL KNOW WHAT TODAY IS.
UH, ARIZONA BECAME A STATE ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 1912.
SO OUR STATE IS 111 YEARS OLD TODAY.
IT A 48TH STATE TO ENTER THE UNION AND THE LASTS OF THE CONTIGUOUS STATES TO DO SO.
AND OF COURSE, IT'S ALSO VALENTINE'S DAY, WHICH IS WHY ARIZONA SOMETIMES IS KNOWN AS THE VALENTINE'S STATE.
IN THIS PHOTO, YOU SEE HERE, UH, NEWLYWEDS ENJOY A VALENTINE'S DAY MEAL AT THE WILD TURKEY INN, WHICH USED TO BE LOCATED IN WHAT IS KNOWN TODAY AS THE VILLAGE.
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM IS LOCATED IN JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK ON JORDAN ROAD IN UPTOWN, THE JORDAN HOMESTEAD APPLE SHED, TRACTOR SHED AND THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE FROM THE OLD SEDONA MOVIE SET ARE SOME OF THE MAIN FEATURES OF THE MUSEUM.
WE ALSO OWN AND MAINTAIN COOK'S CEDAR GLADE CEMETERY OFF AIRPORT ROAD AND SHERMAN RED ROCK CEMETERY ON THE UPPER LOOP ROAD.
THE MUSEUM'S MISSION IS TO PRESERVE RESEARCH AND SHARE THE HISTORY OF THE SEDONA AREA.
THE MUSEUM WAS FOUNDED IN 1998, AND THAT MEANS THIS YEAR WE ARE CELEBRATING OUR 24TH, 25TH ANNIVERSARY.
ALL YEAR LONG, THE MUSEUM SITS ON THE LAST FEW ACRES OF THE OLD JORDAN APPLE ORCHARD.
THE BULK OF THE ORCHARDS WERE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE MUSEUM WHERE THE ORCHARDS NEIGHBORHOOD IS.
APPLES AND PEACHES WERE GROWN UP AND DOWN OAK CREEK CANYON AND SUPPORTED PEOPLE ALL OVER THE AREA FROM THE MINORS OF JEROME TO THE LUMBERJACKS OF FLAGSTAFF.
SEDONA IS OF COURSE KNOWN AS AN ARTS COMMUNITY, THE SEDONA ART CENTER, NUMEROUS ART GALLERIES AND MANY PIECES OF PUBLIC ART.
THERE'S A LONG HISTORY OF ARTISTS FLOCKING TO SEDONA, ATTRACTED BY THE NATURAL BEAUTY UNEQUAL ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
JOE BEALER, WHO YOU SEE HERE, UH, ONE OF THE BEST KNOWN WESTERN ARTISTS HAD A STUDIO HERE AND WITH SEVERAL OTHERS, STARTED THE COWBOY ARTISTS OF AMERICA.
AT A TABLE IN THE COWBOY CLUB HERE IN TOWN, MAX ERNST AND DOROTHY TANNING HAD A STUDIO ON BREWER ROAD WHERE MAX CREATED HIS MASTERPIECE, WHICH YOU ALSO SEE HERE, WHICH WAS ENTITLED CAPRICORN.
IN 1923, SEDONA WAS FIRST USED AS A FILMING LOCATION FOR A SILENT FEATURE FILM CALLED THE CALL OF THE CANYON, BASED ON A ZANE GRAY NOVEL OF THE SAME NAME.
IN THE 100 YEARS SINCE THEN, NEARLY 300 300 FEATURE FILMS AND TELEVISION SHOWS HAVE BEEN FILMED HERE.
STARS LIKE ELVIS, JOHN WAYNE, JOAN CRAWFORD, AND YES EVEN CHEVY CHASE, HAVE ALL SPENT TIME MAKING MOVIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND OF COURSE, WHO COULD FORGET 20 ELEVENS? SEDONA.
UH, I KNOW SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM FEATURED IN THIS FILM AS, UH, EXTRAS IN THE BACKGROUND.
NEW AGE SPIRITUALITY HAS LONG BEEN A STAPLE OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY, BUT IT REALLY TOOK OFF DURING THE 1987 HARMONIC CONVERGENCE WHEN SEVERAL PLANETS, THE SUN AND THE MOON, ALIGNED IN A WAY THAT WAS PREDICTED TO USHER IN A NEW ERA OF WORLD PEACE.
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE CAME TO SEDONA TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT CELEBRATION THAT AUGUST NIGHT.
HOW MANY TIMES, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN ON 89 A IN WEST SEDONA AND SEEN PEOPLE TAKING PICTURES OF OR WITH THOSE TEAL ARCHES? PLENTY.
RIGHT? I WAS VISITING HERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH SOME FRIENDS AND ONE OF THEM HAD A DAILY, DAILY TRIVIA APP ON HER PHONE.
WE WERE AT LOS ABOGADOS AND THE DAILY QUESTION CAME IN, WHERE IS THE ONLY MCDONALD'S IN THE WORLD WITH ARCHES THAT ARE NOT GOLDEN? I KNEW RIGHT AWAY, UH, AND WE PLAYED A LITTLE GAME OF WARMER OR COLDER BEFORE I SAID, I'LL GIVE YOU A HINT.
WE GOT YOU A DIET COKE THERE YESTERDAY.
AND OF COURSE, WE ALL THEN HAD TO PILE IN THE CAR AND GO SEE THE TEAL ARCHES FOR OURSELVES.
UM, THE MUSEUM ACTUALLY HAS A SET OF THE TEAL ARCHES
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ON DISPLAY IN THE APPLE SHED TODAY.SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY IS WELL KNOWN AS A WINE REGION.
THE CURRENT ITERATION OF THE INDUSTRY GOES BACK A COUPLE OF DECADES, BUT THE FIRST VINEYARD AND WINERY IN THE REGION WAS THE SHERMAN'S OPERATION ON THE LOOP ROAD.
THEY STARTED THE VINEYARD IN THE 1880S AND MADE WINE UNTIL PROHIBITION IN 1920.
THE SHERMAN HOMESTEAD BELONGS TO THE MUSEUM AND HAS BEEN NOMINATED FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES FOR ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UH, I HOPE YOU'LL ALL TAKE THE TIME TO EXPLORE THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM AND OUR COMMUNITY'S WONDERFUL HISTORY.
UH, YOU CAN VISIT OUR WEBSITE, YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN@SEDONAMUSEUM.ORG TO GET A FULL LIST OF UPCOMING EVENTS AND PROGRAMS, INCLUDING OUR FIRST OF FOUR 25TH ANNIVERSARY COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITY DAYS AT THE MUSEUM, UH, COMING UP ON FEBRUARY 24TH, WHERE ADMISSION IS FREE FOR FOR SEDONA AND VERDE VALLEY RESIDENTS.
UH, THE 24TH IS ALSO SEDONA SCHLEY'S.
AND WE'LL HAVE, UH, BIRTHDAY CAKE FOR VISITORS, UH, AT LEAST UNTIL IT'S GONE.
UM, ANOTHER BIG EVENT COMING UP SOON.
HISTORY UNCORKED CELEBRATING NORTHERN ARIZONA WOMEN COMING UP ON MARCH 4TH, FEATURING A PERFORMANCE BY ACTRESS LIZ WARE, UH, WHO TAKES ON THE CHARACTER OF FAMED ARCHITECT OF HARVEY HOUSES AND THE GRAND CANYON.
UH, MARY COULTER, UH, TICKETS FOR THAT EVENT ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE.
UH, AND WITH THAT, I WILL JUST SAY THANK YOU ONE MORE TIME FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GIVE JOAN A CHANCE TO SWITCH OVER.
OKAY, MAYOR, BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET ON WITH THE MEETING, NATE HAS ONLY BEEN WITH US IN SEDONA FOR FOUR MONTHS.
HE'S THE FIRST PAID EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, AND HE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, AND I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ABOUT THAT.
ALSO, THE AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE THAT NATE HAS GATHERED AND BEEN ABLE TO ABSORB ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY IS JUST AMAZING TO TALK TO HIM.
YOU THINK HE'S BEEN HERE 20 YEARS? IT'S QUITE IMPRESSIVE.
WHAT A, WHAT A GREAT CHOICE THAT THE BOARD OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY MADE IN CHOOSING HIM.
WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF YOU, NATE.
[3. Consent Items – Approve]
WE HAVE CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WE'RE, UH, STAFF, THE COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY INTEREST HERE ON THE DAIS? MELISSA, YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN PULLING ANY ITEMS? NO, MA'AM.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE.
WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH F SECOND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, JOANNE? WERE UNANIMOUS? YES.
[5. Summary of Current Events by Mayor/Councilors/City Manager]
SUMMARY.WE HAVE CURRENT EVENTS BY THE MAYOR, COUNSELOR, AND CITY MANAGER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO VICE MAYOR? OKAY.
UH, WE HAVE SOME EXCITING UPCOMING EVENTS.
MY FAVORITE, UH, EVENTS OF THE YEAR IS THE ST.
PATRICK'S DAY PARADE, AND THAT WILL BE, UH, HELD ON MARCH 18TH, SATURDAY AT 10:30 AM AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO REGISTER, REGISTRATION CLOSES ON FEBRUARY 28TH, AND IT'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS, SO GET IN YOUR APPLICATION EARLY.
UH, WE ALSO, FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, HAVE BEST SPORTS FOR KIDS.
THE SPRING SESSION REGISTRATION IS NOW OPEN FOR BEGINNER'S EDGE SPORTS TRAINING PROGRAM.
IT IS, UM, A SPORTS CLINIC FOR YOUTH AGES 16 MONTHS TO 12 YEARS.
WE ALSO HAVE A STORY TIME IN THE PARK, WHICH IS TEMPORARILY BEING HELD AT THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY DUE TO THE WEATHER.
IT'S WEDNESDAYS 10:00 AM AND IT'S FREE.
UH, IT HAS STORIES, FUN AND MORE RECOMMENDED FOR AGES ZERO TO SIX.
ALSO ORGANIZED PICKLEBALL FOR LOCALS AND TOURISTS FOR FIVE DAYS
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AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK.THE WINTER SCHEDULE IS 9:00 AM TO 11:00 AM MONDAY, TUESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SUNDAY.
YAPPY HOURS IS BEING HELD EVERY THURSDAY FROM NINE TO 10:00 AM AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK TEMPORARILY AT THE LOWER SOFTBALL FIELD.
AND WE HAVE OPEN GYM SEVEN TO 9:00 PM THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL.
THERE'S A $2 FEE AND TENNIS LESSONS THAT ARE OFFERED ON MONDAYS OR WEDNESDAYS.
I ALSO, UH, HAVE ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT.
TODAY IS THE 65TH BIRTHDAY OF THE ROTARY CLUB OF SEDONA.
AND, UH, I ALSO WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE MAYOR OF CANMORE CANADA, WHICH POTENTIALLY WOULD BE OUR SISTER CITY, WILL BE HERE FOR THE FILM FESTIVAL.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE AN OPEN HOUSE FROM 9:00 AM TO 10:30 AM ON SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 25TH HERE.
AND COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO ATTEND, AND THERE WILL BE FOOD, UH, AS WELL AS FUN.
BRIAN, I'M SORRY, AN OPEN HOUSE FOR WHAT? I'M SORRY.
AN OPEN HOUSE FOR THIS VISITOR TO TO TO MEET.
SO IT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, ANY OF US WHO FOLLOW SOCIAL MEDIA SHOULD BE WELL AWARE OF THE 31 DAY ADVENTURE OF SEDONA, THE GERMAN SHEPHERD WHO ESCAPED FROM HIS HUMAN PARENTS, NATALIE AND TONY WATSON'S HOME IN FOOTHILL SOUTH.
ONCE SEDONA LEFT HER A ADVENTURE ON HER ADVENTURE AND DIDN'T RETURN, NATALIE WATSON ENLISTED THE HELP OF, UH, OF SEDONA RESIDENTS, UH, SANDY MCBETH AND HER TEAM OF SEARCH AND RESCUE VOLUNTEERS.
SANDY HAS BEEN PART OF, UH, MANY ANIMAL RESCUES, SO SHE KNOWS THE BEST STRATEGIES TO LOCATE LOST AND MISSING PETS.
SANDY AND HER VAST TEAM ARE DETERMINED TO FIND ANY PERSON'S LOST PET, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG IT TAKES AND HOW MUCH EFFORT IT REQUIRES.
PRETTY IMPRESSIVE AS A AS AS A SEARCH FOR SEDONA COMMENCED.
LOST DOG POSTERS, UH, WERE CREATED AND HUNG AROUND TOWN.
RESIDENTS WALK AND DROVE THROUGH AREAS WHERE SEDONA WAS CITED.
FOOD STATIONS WERE CREATED FEATURING HER FAVORITE FOODS.
SOCIAL MEDIA WAS USED TO MAKE HER, UH, MAKE OUR RESIDENTS WELL AWARE OF THE SITUATION.
THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OF SEDONA ALSO GOT INVOLVED AND PUT THE WORD OUT.
MEANWHILE, SEDONA, THE DOG TRAVELED FROM WEST SEDONA DOWN TO RED ROCK LOOP ROAD, TO CRESCENT MOON RANCH, TO OAK CREEK EAST TO, UH, 1 79, AND SPOTTED IT BY POCO DIABLO ALL THE WAY TO, TO, UH, TO TAKA P**I.
SHE ALSO MADE APPEARANCES AT COOK.
HI COOKS HILL, TAKA P**I, AGAIN, RANGER AND BREWER ROAD IN UPTOWN AT GRASSHOPPER POINT.
AND FINALLY THE RAINBOW TROUT FARM.
UH, AFTER AN EXHAUSTIVE SEARCH BY SANDY MCBETH AND HER TRUE DEDICATED TEAMS, SEDONA WAS, UH, FINALLY ENTERED A TRAP ON FEBRUARY 5TH, AND THE DOOR CLOSED SAFELY BEHIND HER.
SEDONA WAS THEN TRANSPORTED BACK TO, UH, THE AR WEST SEDONA AND REUNITED WITH HER FAMILY.
UH, AND I'M, I JUST LOVE A HAPPY ENDING.
ANYONE, WE ALL LIVE HERE, WORLD RESIDENTS HERE.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S WITH ALL THE COYOTES AND, AND OTHER WILD ANIMALS IN TOWN.
USUALLY WE DON'T HAVE THE HAPPY ENDING.
AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES JUST TO THANK THE, THE PEOPLE WITH SANDY MCBETH AND AND HER, UH, TEAM.
WE HAVE, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU'D STAND UP AS I MENTIONED, YOUR NAME, FOR THOSE WHO, WHO ARE HERE, WE, AND WE HAVE, UH, SEDONA AND HER FAMILY HERE.
AND SHE'S ABOUT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE SAY? 10 POUNDS LIGHTER.
SHE'S 10 POUNDS LIGHTER RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW YOU ARE A LEANNE WEBBER HEY, KIRK.
FPA, FPA FPA BURY, UH, PEGGY BISHOP, REBECCA ALE.
UH, KIM SPANGLER, WHICH EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW AS WELL.
AND THIS, I UNDERSTAND A WHOLE GROUP MORE.
I JUST WANT TO WISH YOU WELL, WISH SEDONA WELL, ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, UH, SEDONA SCHLEY'S BIRTHDAY'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
AND, UH, I LOVE A HAPPY ENDING.
SO I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AND, AND ALL THE PEOPLE HERE AND SAY
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.AND IT'S, IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT, UM, YOU ARE BEHIND US AND, AND A GREAT VOLUNTEER TEAM.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR DEDICATION.
IS SHE HEALTHY? IS EVERYTHING OKAY WITH HER? YES.
SHE CAME BACK BETTER THAN WHEN SHE, OH, COME ON.
SHE CAME BACK TO DIVINELY HEALD.
SHE HAD, SHE HAD TUMORS ON HER BACK BEFORE SHE LEFT, AND SOME RAW PAWS AND A RASH.
THE TUMORS WERE ALMOST ALL GONE.
THE RASH IS GONE AND HER PAWS ARE FLAWLESS.
JOANNE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC FORUM CARDS? NOT THAT I'M AWARE, MARY.
SO WE'LL OPEN AND CLOSE PUBLIC FORUM, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.
[8.a. AB 2913 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding an approval of a Minor Community Plan Amendment (Minor CPA) from Single-family Low Density (0.5 to 2 DU/AC) to Public/Semi-Public and Zone Change (ZC) from RS-18 (Single-Family Residential) to CF (Community Facilities) to allow for the operation of a trailhead shuttle from an existing parking lot at 1294 & 1406 State Route 179 (Church of the Red Rocks Overflow Parking Lot) and option to purchase the property. The subject property is ±1.94 acres, and is located southwest of the intersection of State Route 179 and Bowstring Dr. APN: 401-25-002N & P Case Number: PZ22-00010 (Minor CPA, ZC) Applicant: City of Sedona.]
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO REGULAR BUSINESS AB 29 13, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN APPROVAL OF A MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT MINUS CPA, UH, FROM SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY 0.5 TO UH, TO TWO D U A C.UH, TO PUB, UH, PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, UH, AND ZONE CHANGE FROM RS 18, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO CF, WHICH IS COMMUNITY FACILITIES TO ALLOW FOR THE OPERATION OF A TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE FROM THE EXISTING PARKING LOT AT 1294 AND 1406, STATE ROUTE 80, UH, 1 79, CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS OVERFLOW PARKING LOT, UH, AN OPTION TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, UH, 1.94 ACRES AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 81 79 AND BOASTING.
UH, WE HAVE P AND Z CASE NUMBER, UH, 22 DASH 0 0 0 1 0 MINUS CPA ZC.
AND THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF SEDONA.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE, OH, THAT'S, I FORGET CARRIE DIDN'T SEE YOU.
I'M USED TO SEEING YOU HERE, MAYOR.
AND COUNSEL, I JUST, JUST BEFORE WE JUMP IN, UM, CARRIE IS ONLINE, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND WE ALSO HAVE ANDREW BAIRD FROM KIMLEY HORN.
BOTH OF THEM ARE ONLINE DUE TO THE WEATHER.
SO I KNOW THEY WOULD WANNA BE HERE IN PERSON, BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP WHY THEY'RE ONLINE.
CARRIE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A SHORT PRESENTATION ON THE MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONE CHANGE PORTIONS OF THE APPLICATION, THE OPTION TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
UM, THAT PART OF THIS ITEM, YOUR QUESTION SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO KURT, I BELIEVE.
UM, THAT'S NOT MINE AREA OF EXPERTISE.
UM, AND SO YOU WERE PROVIDED WITH THE PACKET AND EVERYTHING WAS PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
SO I DON'T WANT TO, UM, PULL OVER ANY OF THOSE POINTS, BUT WE ARE JUST GONNA GO THROUGH A SHORT OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE DETAILS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND IS THE SCREEN SHARE WORKING RIGHT NOW? YES.
UM, SO AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN, AMENDMENT, AND ZONE CHANGE.
UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL PROJECT, UM, DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THESE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT, THE, THESE ARE A COUPLE PAGES FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT OUTLINES MAJOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA.
THE PROPOSED CHANGE, UM, TO A PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC DESIGNATION IS NOT LISTED UNDER THE MAJOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA.
SO IT IS CONSIDERED A MINOR AMENDMENT, UM, MINOR.
JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A CATEGORY BASED ON THE CHANGE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
IT IS NOT MEANT TO CONVEY THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON A NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST A MINOR VERSUS MAJOR.
THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT WE USE IS THE SAME.
UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN NOTIFICATIONS AND APPROVALS.
SO A MI MAJOR AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE FIVE OF THE SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS TO APPROVE WHERE A MINOR AMENDMENT REQUIRES FOUR.
BUT THE PROCESS IT GOES THROUGH AS FAR AS REVIEW AND, AND ALL THAT IS THE SAME FOR BOTH TYPES OF APPLICATIONS.
UM, AND I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PORTION.
THE, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID APPROVE THIS WITH A CONDITION THAT
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IT BE, THAT IT WOULD NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL, UM, UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE PORTIONS.THE WAY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS SET UP, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DOES HAVE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY ON CONDITIONING PERMITS UNLESS THEY'RE APPEALED AND THIS ONE WAS NOT.
UM, BUT IT IS DIDN'T WANNA, UM, THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THIS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEVEL.
BUT THE, UM, THE USE OF THE PART OF THE PARKING LOT FOR THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE USES IS A CONDITIONALLY APPROVED ACCESSORY USE IN THE EXISTING RS 18, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
AND THERE IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED UNDER THIS ZONE LAST YEAR, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, THAT ACCESSORY USE BASICALLY MEANS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A CHURCH PARKING LOT THAT IS USED AS A TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE STOCK WHEN THE CHURCH DOES NOT NEEDED.
AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS USE, OBVIOUSLY CONTINGENT ON THESE APPLICATIONS, IS A CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE.
SO IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE AN ACCESSORY USE IN THE CX ZONE.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE HERE, IS THAT IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED, UM, THIS, EVEN THOUGH THE USE IS NOT CHANGING IN ORDER FOR THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY TO CHANGE, UM, THESE APPLICATIONS ALL NEED TO BE APPROVED AND TO CONTINUE TO USE IT IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN USING IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON STATE ROUTE 1 79.
IT IS A, THE CHURCH OF THE RED BOX OVERFLOW PARKING LOT.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS JUST UNDER TWO ACRES, AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS A PARKING LOT FOR THE CHURCH IN 2001 UNDER A CONDITIONING USE PERMIT.
AND THEN AGAIN, THAT ACCESSORY USE AS A TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE LOT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR.
THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE APPLICATION ARE A MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY TO PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, A ZONE CHANGE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMUNITY FACILITIES, AND THEN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO USE THE PARKING LOT FOR THE PARK AND RIDE AND SHUTTLE.
UM, THIS MAP HERE SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY JUST OFF OF 1 79 BETWEEN BORO DRIVE AND THE ARROW DRIVE MORGAN ROAD ROUNDABOUT.
THIS NEXT SLIDE IS THE AERIAL.
SO YOU SEE THE, THE PARKING LOT THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION HERE ALONG THE, THE ROAD.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THIS AREA OF THE CHURCH PROPERTY UP HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY DO HAVE OTHER PARKING AVAILABLE FOR THE CHURCH USE.
SO THIS, UM, THIS WILL NOT BE PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM PARKING AT THE CHURCH.
THIS HAS BEEN USED AS THEIR OVERFLOW LOT, NOT THEIR MAIN PARKING LOT.
UM, SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO CONTINUE TO USE THE PARKING LOT FOR TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES AND PARKING.
UM, THE SHUTTLE AT THIS LOCATION DOES PROVIDE SERVICE TO CATHEDRAL ROCK AND LITTLE HORSE.
THERE ARE 64 PARKING SPACES IN THIS LOT.
AND, UM, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THERE'LL, THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF PERMANENT IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
SOME OF THEIR, THERE HAVE BEEN TEMPORARY IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS PORTABLE RESTROOMS THAT THE CITY WOULD THEN EXPLORE DOING A PERMANENT FACILITY, UM, ON THOSE LOSS.
IN GENERAL, THIS LOT IS USED THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, BUT ADDITIONAL DAYS AND HOURS ARE NEEDED WHEN WARRANTED BY DEMAND, SUCH AS SPRING BREAK AND THE HOLIDAYS.
UM, SO THIS IS GENERALLY THE, THE WAY THAT THE PARKING LOT SHALL STOP IS PROPOSED TO BE LAID OUT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO MORE OR LESS LEAVE IT THE SAME.
UM, THERE IS A NEW PROPOSED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION RIGHT HERE THAT WOULD CONNECT TO 1 79.
THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT IN THE, UM, IN THE AERIAL IS A SHUTTLE PULLOUT FOR THE VERDE VERDE LINKS.
UM, SO PEOPLE TAKING THAT SHUTTLE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, RUNS THROUGH TOWN, COULD THEN USE THIS PEDESTRIAN PATH TO THEN GET ON THE TRAILHEAD SHADOW AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S, UM, A RESTROOM BUILDING HERE, BUT IN GENERAL, THE, WE WOULD BE USING THE EXISTING PAVED AREAS FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE ZONE CHANGE PORTION OF THIS WOULD CHANGE IT FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
I DO JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THE DIFFERENT USES IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
YOU CAN GENERALLY HAVE A RESIDENTIAL USE WITH, UM, A LIMITED NUMBER OF CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USES.
UM, IN THE CX ZONE, A LOT OF THOSE
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PERMIT CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USES DO BECOME PERMITTED.UM, SO NO C WOULD BE REQUIRED.
AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USES THAT ARE ADDED IN, SUCH AS THE CEMETERY CONFERENCE, FACILITY LIBRARY, MUSEUM, PARKING TRANSIT STATION.
BUT AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL UNDER THIS APPLICATION IS TO CONTINUE USING IT AS THE PARKING AND SHUTTLE STOP.
UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS APPLICATION AND THIS PROPOSAL, WE DID LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
WE LOOKED AT COMMUNITY VI, THE COMMUNITY VISION, THE GOALS AND THE POLICIES, PARTICULARLY REGARDING CIRCULATION, LAND USE, AND GROWTH.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT ADOPTED PLANS, PRIMARILY, OF COURSE, THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THIS BEING PART OF THE SHUTTLE SYSTEM.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND MUNIS MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN.
AND THEN WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THERE ARE FINDINGS WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WE USE TO REVIEW ALL APPLICATIONS.
AND THAT DETAILED EVALUATION IS IN, UM, THE MATERIALS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND TO YOU AS PART OF YOUR PACKET FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
SO WE LAST YEAR WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BEGIN USING THE LOT, WE, UH, WENT THROUGH PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS, UM, AND DID A SECOND ONE FOR THIS, FOR THIS APPLICATION.
THE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY'S CONSULTANT DID COMPLETE THE PUBLIC OUTREACH.
UM, AND THAT REPORT IS INCLUDED, YOUR PACKET WHILE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF DID THE PUBLIC NOTICING, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC NOTICING, BUT IT IS, UM, I THINK WORTHWHILE TO POINT OUT THAT LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR THE, UM, WHEN WE STARTED, WE WERE PROPOSING TO START USING THE LOT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION AND A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THIS, UM, USE WOULD HAVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN THE PAST YEAR, UM, THE CITY HAS CONTINUED TO MONITOR THE USE, UM, AND HAS ADDRESSED NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS WHERE, UM, WHICH RESULTED IN, WHEN WE WENT OUT AGAIN TO DO THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH FOR THIS APPLICATION, A LOT OF THOSE SAME NEIGHBORS WHO HAD OBJECTED LAST YEAR NO LONGER OBJECTED TO THIS USE ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH THE MONITORING THAT, AND THE MONITORING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING.
SO AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, BASED ON ALL THIS EVALUATION, STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ALL THREE COMPONENTS OF THIS APPLICATION.
AND ON JANUARY 3RD, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE.
AND THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU, LET'S SEE, I CAN STOP SHARING.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
ANDREW BAIRD WITH KIMLEY HORN IS ALSO AVAILABLE.
AND THEN, UM, BELIEVE KURT WOULD BE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, PURCHASE PORTION OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT CARDS? JOANNE? NO.
SO WHY DON'T WE START WITH, UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
COUNCIL FURMAN? I HAVE NONE EITHER.
UM, THE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE TO THE RESTROOMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON SITE UNDER AS PART OF THIS, AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE NOW A PERMANENT CONNECTION TO AN ACTUAL SEWER HOOKUP.
IS THAT CORRECT? I SEE ANDREW NODDING, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR HIM.
I'LL REPEAT CARRIE AND MYSELF THE FIRST TIME.
AND, AND, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS JUST THE, THE, THERE'S NO PLAN TO CHANGE THIS FROM A SURFACE LOT TO A GARAGE STRUCTURE AT THIS POINT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IF CARRIE, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THAT THE, UH, OPERATIONS WOULD BE THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HOLIDAYS OR RUN MORE OFTEN IF WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE RUNNING A SHUTTLE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
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THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NEED TO BE AMENDED? UM, NO.THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS FOR THE CITY TO, UM, EXPAND AS NEEDED BASED ON DEMAND.
I ASSUME THAT IF WE WERE TO EXPAND SERVICE, IT WOULD BE BASED ON DEMAND, NOT JUST BECAUSE WE REALLY WANNA DRAG THE SHUTTLES AROUND A LITTLE MORE.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BATHROOMS. UH, ARE THEY SECURED AT THE END AT A CERTAIN TIME OF THE EVENING, AFTERNOON? SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SECURED OVERNIGHT.
UH, AND WHO MAY WHO WILL BE MAINTAINING THEM? I'LL TAKE THE SITE ULTIMATELY WILL BE SECURED AS IT'LL BE GATED THAT NIGHT AND THEN THE RESTROOMS WILL HAVE LOCKS ON THEM.
AND THEN I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER ON, WE'LL MAINTAIN 'EM, I'D IMAGINE THE CITY.
NOW, ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.
I, ONE, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, UM, I NOTICED, I SAW THAT THE CONNECTION WOULD BE TO THE VERDE LINKS SHUTTLE AS WELL, WHICH WOULD GENERALLY, I THINK THIS PROJECT WOULD HELP IMPROVE CONNECTIVITY OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I THINK THAT, UH, THAT TURNING AROUND THE COMMUNITY FROM OPPOSING TO APPROVING OR NEUTRAL MAYBE IS A BETTER WORD, YOU KNOW, IS A BIG FEAT.
AND SO I I JUST TAKE MY HATS OFF TO OUR TEAM FOR BEING VERY RESPONSIVE WHEN ISSUES HAVE COME UP AND BEING ABLE TO RESOLVE THEM AND TO HANDLE IT IN A VERY PROFESSIONAL WAY.
COUNCIL WILLIAMSON? WELL, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT OUR TEAM IS AMAZING, HANDLES IT, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IS OFTEN FACT.
I WOULD SAY ALMOST ALWAYS WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR TEAM MANAGES TO WORK WITH THE PEOPLE AND THE OPPOSITION TO, TO MANAGE THE OPPOSITION.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S A LESSON, OR SHOULD BE A LESSON TO US IN TERMS OF HOW WE DEAL WITH OPPOSITION, UNDERSTANDING THAT, OR WE HAVE AN AMAZING TEAM THAT CAN IN FACT TURN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND SO THAT OPPOSITION SHOULD BE SEEN FOR WHAT IT IS NOT AS A, A BARRIER TO, TO EVERYTHING.
DO I HAVE MR. MR. MAYOR, COULD WE HAVE A, THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN WE JUST OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAYBE CALL ONE MORE TIME AND THEN CLOSE IT? OKAY.
UH, IS ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY WANNA MAKE? WE HAVE TO OPEN, OPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING.
AND IS ANY COMMENTS NOT AT THIS TIME, MAYOR, NOT AT THIS TIME.
THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND NO, I'LL JUST MAKE MOTIONS.
MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT.
I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023 DASH FOUR FOUR AMENDING THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP BY REDESIGNATING, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
FIRST READING AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.
OH, I'VE GOTTA DO THE NUMBER FIRST.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 1 0 1.
MY ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA REZONING THAT PROPERTY DESCRIBED HEREIN FROM ITS PRESENT DESIGNATION OF RS 18, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO CF COMMUNITY FACILITIES DIRECTING THE AMENDMENT OF THE ZONING MAP UPON COMPLETION OF ALL ZONING CONDITIONS SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023 DASH OH ONE REGARDING CASE NUMBER PZ 22 0 1 0 ZC REZONING THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED HEREIN FROM ITS PRESENT DESIGNATION OF OUR S 18 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO CF COMMUNITY FACILITIES BASED ON CONFORMANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL OF HIS OWN CHANGE, CONSISTENCY AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY
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PLAN AND SUBJECT TO ALL APPLICABLE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WE WE'RE UNANIMOUS.
I MOVE TO APPROVE PURCHASE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY PER THE OPTION TO PURCHASE TERMS OUTLINED IN THE GROUND LEASE AND OPTION TO PURCHASE AGREEMENT EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2022 BETWEEN THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE CHURCH OF THE RED ROTHS SECOND.
CAN YOU OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
I HOPE YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THE WEATHER UP THERE? UH, IT'S COMING DOWN PRETTY HARD RIGHT NOW THEN.
THANK YOU FOR ACCOMMODATING US.
UM, THE GAME AND FISH REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE HERE, UM, AT 5 45.
WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, SO I COULD START THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE IF YOU'D LIKE NOW, OR WE COULD TAKE A BREAK.
UM, WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER? LET'S, LET'S DO THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE.
[8.c. AB 2861 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona]
UH, MARION COUNSEL, UM, JOANNE KEEN, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.UM, I SENT OUT THE, THE LEGISLATIVE MEMO EARLIER TODAY, AND OF COURSE IT'S ALREADY OUTDATED, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW DURING THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
UM, THIS IS CURRENTLY THE LAST WEEK TO HEAR BILLS IN THE COMMITTEE OF ORIGIN.
SO IT'S BEEN, UH, A BIT HECTIC DOWN THERE WITH BILLS, LONG AGENDAS.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO MOVE A BUDGET, A SKINNY BUDGET, AND GET THAT TO, TO THE GOVERNOR, UM, FOR SIGNATURE OR TO BE VETOED, UM, LIKELY TO BE VETOED.
UM, SO IT'S BEEN A PRETTY BUSY TIME DOWN THERE AND KEEPING UP WITH EVERYTHING HAS BEEN, UM, IT'S BEEN PRETTY TOUGH.
UM, AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON BILLS THAT I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO, I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
AND IF THERE ARE BILLS THAT WE NEED TO ADD, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN HAS SOME WATER BILLS TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, UM, THAT, THAT WE CAN DISCUSS.
UM, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW BILLS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET COUNCIL'S POSITION ON.
UM, CAN, CAN YOU SEE THIS OKAY, OR DO YOU HAVE I PUT IT IN A PDF THIS TIME, SO IT WAS EASIER TO, UH, YEAH, I HAVE, IT'S WHAT YOU SAID, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THIS IS, UH, CITY OF SEDONAS BILL TO, UM, BASICALLY GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO, UH, SEND OUR COMMUNITY PLAN VOTE TO THE VOTERS.
UM, AND THAT HAS MOVED OUT OF THE HOUSE GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE BY A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO, PASSED OUT OF RULES.
AND YESTERDAY, UM, TOOK THE FIRST ACTION TO, UM, TO MOVE OUT OF THE FLOOR ON THE HOUSE.
SO WE'RE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
WE WILL LIKELY HAVE A HEARING IN THE SENATE, UH, SOON.
WE DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY FROM SEDONA TESTIFY AT THAT LAST HEARING.
WE HAD THE LEAGUE TESTIFY AND, UM, OUR LOBBYIST WAS THERE IN CASE THERE WERE QUESTIONS, BUT WE MAY WANNA SEND SOMEBODY NEXT TIME AS A, JUST AS A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR REPRESENTATIVE BLISS.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE, THE FOOD TAX.
GETTING RID OF THE, THE FOOD TAX FOR, UM, CITIES AND TOWNS COUNCIL DID OPPOSE THIS.
AND, UM, IT DID MOVE OUT OF WAYS AND MEANS BY A VOTE OF SIX TO FOUR.
UM, THIS BILL AND SEVERAL OTHER BILLS HAVE MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT, UH, THERE ARE MEMBERS WHO MOVED IT OUT OF COMMITTEE, BUT STILL HAVE CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT WHETHER THEY SUPPORT THE FINAL BILL.
IT PASSED OUT OF RULES BY A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO YESTERDAY, UM, AS WELL.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION? CORRECT, YES.
I'M, AS I'M ASSUMING OUR OPPOSITION TO THIS IS BASED ON ITS, UM, LOCAL CONTROL ASPECT, CORRECT? YES, BECAUSE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON, WE DO NOT HAVE A FOOD TAX IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
UH, NOR DO WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL RENTAL TAX, WHICH WILL BE THE NEXT BILL.
BUT WE'RE ALIGNING WITH, UM, THE CITIES AROUND THE STATE AND SHOWING RIGHT, IT'S JUST A, IT'S LOCAL CONTROL.
IT'S A LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE, EVEN THOUGH I THINK 99%
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OF THESE BILLS ARE ABOUT LOCAL CONTROL.SO AGAIN, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE RESIDENTIAL LEASES.
WE DON'T HAVE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL LEASE TAX, BUT MANY COMMUNITIES DO.
COTTONWOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY BRING IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVENUE FROM RESIDENTIAL LEASE TAX.
UM, THIS BILL, IT'S MOVED OUTTA HOUSE, WEIGHS A MEANS BY A VOTE OF SIX TO FOUR, UM, PASSED OUT OF RULES.
AND THEN ACTUALLY TODAY, UM, JUST RIGHT BEFORE WE STARTED COUNCIL TODAY, IT DID PASS OUT OF THE, OF THE HOUSE, UM, BY A PRETTY CLOSE VOTE.
IT WAS INTERESTING, UM, WHERE PEOPLE LANDED ON THIS ISSUE.
I THINK IT'S BEING TOUTED AS A BILL THAT'S GOING TO HELP, UM, REDUCE THE RENT FOR PEOPLE RENTING.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME DE DEFINITELY THE, THE CITIES AND TOWNS HAVE SOME DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHETHER THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE PASSED DOWN TO THE RENTERS.
JOANNE, SHOULD THAT PASS, DO YOU HAVE AN INDICATION OF WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S ACTION WOULD BE? UM, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA? I, I DO NOT, I KNOW THE LEAGUE IS, THIS IS EASILY ONE OF THEIR TOP PRIORITIES THIS SESSION, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY'RE ALREADY STARTING TO, TO TALK TO HER OFFICE ABOUT THIS.
AND I KNOW THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE BIG CITIES ARE REALLY IMPACTED BY THIS.
UM, BUT I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHERE SHE IS ON THE BILL.
UH, THE NEXT BILL IS SENATE BILL, UH, 10 16.
THIS IS THE BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO, UM, POST MUNICIPAL NOTICES AND ORDINANCES ON OUR WEBSITE.
INSTEAD OF, UM, PUTTING THEM ALL IN THE, UH, THE NEWSPAPER AND GIVING US SOME OPTIONS AND SAVING, UM, OUR TAXPAYERS, UM, SOME MONEY.
UH, THIS BILL HAS MOVED OUT OF SENATE GOVERNMENT AND IT ALSO, UH, PASSED OUT OF RULES, UM, ON FEBRUARY 7TH.
AND IT HA, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN SCHEDULED FOR FLOOR ACTION AS OF YET.
DOES THIS HAVE, DOES THIS IS PARTY LINE OR NOT PARTY LINE? IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE PARTY LINE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, ONE THAT I THINK ORIGINALLY CAME FROM THE CITY OF GLENDALE, BUT THERE SEEMED TO BE COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE STATE SUPPORTING THIS.
JOANNE, CAN I JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? THAT WAS SENATE BILL THOUSAND 6, 10 0 6, CORRECT? YEAH.
JOANNE, YOU SAID 10 16 BEFORE, CORRECT.
IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, I HAVE, UM, A SLIGHT DYSLEXIA WITH NUMBERS, WHICH IS THE, IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO LEGISLATIVE WORK WITH THAT
BUT THIS, IT'LL CHANGE TOMORROW.
1350 AND I KNOW THE, I KNOW THE GOOD ONES.
THEY, JOANNE GETS IT ON HER NOTES.
WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, DURING OUR, OUR LAST, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE PARTISAN ELECTION BILL.
UM, I, I KEPT IT ON HERE BECAUSE IT HAS MOVED OUTTA SENATE GOVERNMENT AND AC IT ACTUALLY PASSED OUT OF RULES.
UM, AND IT'S, THIS 18 TO 12 WAS ACTUALLY A PARTY LINE VOTE.
SO, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE DEMOCRATS VOTED AGAINST THIS BILL.
SO I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF KEEP THIS ON THE, THE RADAR TO CONTINUE WATCHING IT.
THE LEAGUE IS CONTINUING TO STAY NEUTRAL ON THE BILL, AND I SUGGEST WE, WE DO THE SAME RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE LEAVING IT OFF PURPOSEFULLY OR NO, I, I DIDN'T.
FORGOT TO ADD THAT ONE IN THERE, SO I'LL ADD IT ON THE NOTE.
UH, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, THIS IS A GOOD TIME FOR REMINDER.
THE RED IS, UM, SEDONAS, OR EXCUSE ME, IS THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS POSITION, AND THE GREEN IS THE CITY OF SEDONAS POSITION FOR THOSE WATCHING ONLINER IN THE ROOM, SENATE BILL 1100.
THIS IS THE, THE BILL THAT WOULD CHANGE THE WEIGHT LIMITS FOR, UM, OHVS FOR ALL TRAINED VEHICLES.
UM, COUNCIL SUPPORTED OPPOSING THIS, IT HAS MOVED OUT OF HOUSE TRANSPORTATION AND TECHNOLOGY BY A VOTE OF SIX TO ONE.
OUR, UM, LOBBYISTS DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH POLARIS, WHO'S, THEY'RE THE ONES RUNNING THIS BILL, AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO COME AND TALK TO, UM, TALK TO THE CITY ABOUT THIS BILL AND OTHER ISSUES.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THAT THROUGH TREAD LIGHTLY TO GET THAT MEETING SET UP.
JOANNE, WOULD THAT BE DURING SESSION OR THAT THAT IS OUR HOPE, YES.
WE'D LIKE TO GET IT SCHEDULED PRETTY SOON.
HAS OUR LOBBYISTS HAD ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, I GUESS NEVERMIND WITHDRAWING IT WOULD BE PREMATURE.
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SENATE BILL 1393.THIS IS, UM, THE BILL THAT ESTABLISHES THE OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLE LAW ENFORCEMENT SAFETY FUND AND DISTRIBUTES THAT TO THE COUNTY SHERIFFS, UM, FOR ENFORCEMENT.
UM, THIS BILL IS ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET COUNCIL'S SUPPORT ON.
IT IS BEING SUPPORTED BY THE COUNTIES, UM, AND ALSO SOME OF THE, THE AGENCIES WHO ARE WORKING IN THIS ARENA TO HELP WITH FUNDING FOR ENFORCEMENT.
UM, THERE WAS A HEARING SCHEDULED IN, UH, SENATE TRANSPORTATION AND TECHNOLOGY ON MONDAY, BUT THE BILL, UM, IT WAS HELD, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT WAS HELD.
AND I'LL GET BACK TO COUNCIL ON THAT.
WHAT WOULD THE REVENUE STREAM BE FOR THAT FUND? I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
I CAN, I CAN LOOK IT UP BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE TAKING A POSITION BEFORE I KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING, WHAT THE REVENUE STREAM WOULD BE.
I CAN GET THAT TO YOU BY THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION.
AND ACTUALLY, HOW IS THAT PAID? IS THAT BASICALLY JUST A, UH, PASS THROUGH TO THOSE RENTING OR, UH, AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE OR WHAT'S THE MECHANISM BY WHICH THAT FEE IS ACTUALLY COLLECTED? OKAY.
I WILL GET THAT ANSWER BEFORE THE END OF THE, THE END OF THE DAY TODAY TO BRING THIS BACK.
SO, UH, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE, UH, A COUPLE OF ELECTION BILLS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, ADDING LAST TIME.
UM, AND BOTH OF THESE DO IMPACT, UM, CITIES.
SO ONE OF THEM, UH, PROHIBITS THE, UM, THE UN WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLING THEM UNMONITORED BOXES, BUT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, ON THE CITY HALL CAMPUS TO ALLOW SOMEBODY TO TURN IN THEIR BALLOT.
SO THIS WOULD PROHIBIT A COUNTY RECORDER, UM, FROM PLACING THOSE BALLOT BOXES.
UM, THE LEAGUE HAS OPPOSED THIS, AND I SUGGEST THAT THE, THE CITY OPPOSES THIS AS WELL.
I WOULD LIKE US TO OPPOSE THIS.
BUT DO MEAN ISN'T, AREN'T THESE BOXES OR THE ONE WE HAVE HERE ANYWAY, MONITORED? NO, IT HAS A CAMERA.
SO TELL, EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
WELL, I, THEY, UM, I MEAN, I, I, I THINK WHAT, UM, HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE COMMITTEE AND DURING THIS DISCUSSION AND OTHER DISCUSSIONS IS HAVING ACTUAL PEOPLE ON THE GROUND WATCHING THOSE BALLOT BOXES.
SO IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSAL JUST TO COMPLETELY GET RID OF THEM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, LIMITS PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO VOTE.
I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PART OF MANHOOD VERSUS ELECTRONICS VERSUS HUMAN, SO, OKAY.
STRONGLY URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO OPPOSE THIS, WHAT I DOUBT.
I THINK WE, I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.
AND THE NEXT BILL IS EQUALLY, UH, AS BAD.
THE LEAGUE IS OPPOSED THIS, BUT IT REQUIRES ALL VOTES TO BE TABULATED BY HAND IN ALL CITY, TOWN AND COUNTY ELECTIONS.
UM, AND IT PROHIBITS ANY, UM, TABULATING MACHINE TO COUNT VOTES.
UM, AGAIN, THIS, THESE ARE MOVING OUT OF, UM, THIS DID MOVE OUT OF THE, THE HOUSE MUNICIPAL OVERSIGHT AND ELECTIONS COMMITTEE ON FEBRUARY, UH, FIRST, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S MOVED OUT OF RULES YET, BUT I WOULD URGE THAT WE OPPOSE THIS.
THERE'S ALSO A BILL THAT'S IN THE SENATE THAT WAS IN THE SENATOR ROGERS COMMITTEE THAT PASSED OUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE PEOPLE TO RE-REGISTER EVERY 10 YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF THE BILL.
IT JUST GOT IN UNDER THE DEADLINE THAT BILL.
BUT I WOULD STRONGLY OPPOSE THAT BILL.
I SOME OTHER TERRIBLE PROVISIONS IN IT AS WELL.
UM, HOUSE BILL 2256, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS, HAS DEFINITELY BEEN SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED, BUT IT'S, UM, APPROPRIATING THE 150 MILLION TO THE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
UM, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY MOVING AS A STANDALONE, BUT IT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN OTHER, UM, IT'S INCLUDED IN THE, THE TERRIBLE HOUSING BILL.
UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, GET COUNSEL ON RECORD SUPPORTING THIS.
UM, THIS IS A BILL THAT, UM, PROHIBITS CITIES AND TOWNS FROM REDUCING OUR ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE MUNICIPAL POLICE DEPARTMENT BY ANY AMOUNT BELOW THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S BUDGET.
UM, SO THIS IS BASICALLY A, A BILL THAT, UM, PREVENTS
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ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE DEFUNDING THE POLICE.OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A, A BIG LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO COUNSEL TO OPPOSE THIS.
IT DID PASS OUT OF THE MAPS COMMITTEE BY A VOTE OF EIGHT TO SEVEN, UM, WHICH WAS PRETTY CLOSE.
AND OBVIOUSLY PARTY LINE VOTE.
OPPOSE, I TRIED TO GET A NICE VARIETY OF ALL THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS SESSION.
REALLY WANTED TO MAKE OUR DAY SLEEP, I GUESS.
SO, HOW, UH, EXCUSE ME, SENATE BILL 1245.
UM, THIS IS, UH, AN ANOTHER LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE THAT REQUIRES, UM, CITIES AND TOWNS WHO RECEIVE V L T FUNDS TO ONLY BE USED FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
WHAT VEHICLE COULD YOU PLEASE FOR THE PUBLIC? V L T, EXCUSE ME.
VEHICLE LICENSE TAX REVENUE THAT COMES TO, UM, CITIES, TOWNS, AND COUNTIES.
AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT, UM, REQUIRES US TO BE USED THE, FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES ONLY.
AND, UM, THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR, AGAIN, INTO LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE.
SHOULD WE, CAN WE STILL GO ON RECORD THOUGH, PLEASE? AS OPPOS? THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
CAUSE I THINK THIS ONE IS GONNA COME BACK MM-HMM.
THIS IS THE, UM, THIS WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S ON THE, THE LEAGUE AGENDA RELATED TO THE MUNICIPAL TAX CODE COMMISSION.
AND THEY'RE ASKING CITIES AND TOWNS TO SUPPORT.
UM, I KNOW WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR, BUT THIS WOULD CONTINUE THE MUNICIPAL TAX CODE COMMISSION FOR FOUR YEARS AND ALLOWS A CITY OR TOWN TO ADOPT AN AMENDMENT TO THE MODEL CITY TAX CODE.
UM, IF, IF THE MUNICIPAL TAX CODE COMMISSION WENT AWAY, BASICALLY IT WOULD JUST BE A NIGHTMARE FOR CITIES AND TOWNS TO HAVE TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH WHOMEVER AT THE STATE.
UM, WE'RE NOT SURE WHO THAT WOULD BE, SO, SO I'D LIKE TO GET COUNSEL ON RECORD SUPPORTING THIS BILL.
HOUSE BILL 28 0 8, UH, PUBLIC RECORDS TIMEFRAME.
THIS CHANGES THE REQUIREMENT TO COMPLY WITH A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF REQUEST.
UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST WITHIN FIVE DAYS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A BIG BURDEN ON, UM, CITIES, TOWNS, AND COUNTIES.
AND WHILE I HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY KIND OF DUG INTO THE LANGUAGE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS ONLY APPLIES TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND NOT THE STATE.
NOW, SENATE BILL 1117, THIS IS THE, THE KAISER HOUSING BILL, UM, WHICH PROBABLY GOES DOWN ON RECORD AS ONE OF THE WORST BILLS I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY TIME AT THE LEGISLATURE.
UM, IT'S SO BAD THAT I DIDN'T EVEN PUT ANY LANGUAGE SUMMARIZING IT IN THERE, BUT, UH, THE REASON I DIDN'T WAS BECAUSE I ATTACHED THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE STRYKER MM-HMM.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GO INTO COMPLETE DETAIL OF THAT STRIKER, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST GO ON RECORD AND SAY IS THAT THE SPONSOR OF THIS BILL KEEPS REPEATING THAT THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO CITIES AND TOWNS UNDER 25,000.
AND THAT IS NOT ACCURATE AT ALL.
THERE ARE MANY PROVISIONS THAT APPLY TO CITIES AND TOWNS UNDER 25,000.
AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS BILL PASSES NEXT YEAR, IT WILL APPLY TO CITIES AND TOWNS UNDER 25,000.
SO OUR COUNCIL IS ON RECORD AS, UM, AS OPPOSING THIS.
UM, BUT IT IS MOVING, UM, MR. KAISER'S HEAD, I BELIEVE TWO STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS THIS WEEK.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THOSE HAVE GONE.
IT'S, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S THE BUSIEST WEEK DOWN AT THE LEGISLATURE, SO HAVING THOSE, UM, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME, BUT WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS GOES.
UM, BUT WE MAY NEED TO KINDA WEIGH IN INDIVIDUALLY WITH OUR, WITH OUR DELEGATION, CUZ I'M JUST NOT SURE WHERE THEY ALL ARE ON THIS ISSUE.
WHAT, WHO ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT HE WOULD HAVE MEETINGS WITH? WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE IT'S THE, THE COMMISSION.
SO, UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND THEN THE, THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS, THE COUNTIES WERE INVOLVED IN THAT.
AND THEN THE LEAGUE HAD A, UM, A STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT THEY PULLED TOGETHER.
AND SHANNON WAS ACTUALLY A PART OF THAT, UM, REPRESENTING COTTONWOOD.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE PULLED IN THAT CITY GROUP YET, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMISSION AND THEN SOME OF THE, THE CITIES AND TOWNS AND GOVERNMENTS.
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HAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK ABOUT ADDING AFFORDABILITY AS A PART OF IT? NO, I MEAN, AS FAR AS I CAN KNOW, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY.NO, I MEAN, I, I I I THINK THERE IS A TRUE FEELING DOWN THERE THAT THIS IS A BILL THAT, THAT ADDRESSES HOUSING AFFORDABILITY,
AND, AND I, I DO THINK THAT'S GONNA BE OUR CHALLENGE IS EDUCATING MEMBERS THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT THIS IS ABOUT ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T ADDRESS HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AT ALL.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE AS WELL, WHICH, WHICH IS HUGE IN THIS ONE.
BUT I URGE YOU, I DID SEND OUT THE STRYKER LANGUAGE AND I SENT IT IN A PDF.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO START GETTING THAT OUT TO FOLKS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND IF THEY WANT MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THIS BILL APPLIES TO.
I THOUGHT THE STRIKER THAT, I THOUGHT THAT DOCUMENT WAS PRETTY WELL DONE BY THE LEAGUE.
AND THEN THE, THE LAST BILL IS, UM, HOUSE BILL 24 18 LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE TIMES REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THIS BILL WAS INITIALLY INTRODUCED TO REQUIRE CITIES AND TOWNS TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME OF NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES.
SO THERE WAS A, A HEARING ON THE BILL, UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR CHIEF WHO PROVIDED SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO THE LEAGUE, UM, WHO ACTUALLY IN HIS TESTIMONY REFERENCED SEDONA AND OUR, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DIFFICULT THAT WOULD BE IN SEDONA FOR A FIVE MINUTE RESPONSE TIME.
UM, THE BILL WAS HELD AND NOW IT'S TURNED INTO A STUDY COMMITTEE AGAIN, AGAIN.
SO, AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT'S WHERE ISSUES GO TO DIE.
UM, SO NOW THAT IT'S A STUDY COMMITTEE, WOULD YOU STILL LIKE US ON RECORD AS I WOULD LIKE US TO OPPOSE IT? I, I THINK EVEN A STUDY COMMITTEE IS A BAD IDEA.
JO, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
DO THEY CONSIDER MUNICIPALITIES TO BE COUNTIES OR JUST CITIES AND TOWNS? UH, BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST CITIES AND TOWNS.
CAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE KINO COUNTY BEING ABLE TO BE, GET ANYWHERE WITHIN FIVE MINUTES
I BELIEVE IN THE, IN THE DISCUSSION IT WAS CITIES AND TOWNS AND I THINK IT ALSO MAY HAVE NOT EXEMPTED TRIBAL.
SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AS WELL, THAT THAT WOULD BE A REALLY BIG ISSUE.
SO, I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MANY MORE POLICE WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE.
NOT THAT THERE'S A BAD THING, BUT CORRECT.
AND I THINK THIS WAS A SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT CAME UP IN, I THINK IT WAS A CITY OF PHOENIX ISSUE THAT THEN DEVELOPED INTO A BILL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A, A PROBLEM LOOKING FOR A, A PROBLEM.
WELL, THAT'S A CITY OF PHOENIX.
DO IT FOR THEMSELVES, THAT'S ALL.
SO NOW, UM, ARE WE DOING OKAY ON TIME? MM-HMM.
SO, UM, HOUSE BILL 2047 IS, UM, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL BILL THAT REPRESENTATIVE BLISS INTRODUCED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.
THIS WAS THE, UH, THE REVAMPED OR THE, THE SAME BILL THAT REPRESENTATIVE BARTON INTRODUCED LAST SESSION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET OUT OF COMMITTEE BY UNANIMOUS VOTE AND THEN INSTALLED.
AND WE WERE UNABLE TO GET IT OUT OF RULES.
UM, WE HAD RECEIVED SOME OPTIMISTIC NEWS THAT, UM, WE COULD HAVE A HEARING ON THE BILL AND THE HEARING WAS ACTUALLY SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW AT 9:00 AM AND OUR MAYOR WAS PLANNING ON GOING DOWN TO TESTIFY ON THIS BILL.
UM, BUT WE HEARD LAST NIGHT THAT THE BILL HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE COMMITTEE.
UM, IT WASN'T ACTUALLY ASSIGNED TO THE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A PROCEDURAL, UM, IT'S A PROCEDURAL WAY TO KILL A BILL.
AND, UM, WE ARE CONTINUING NEGOTIATIONS.
OUR, UM, LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE, PAUL, IS MEETING WITH LEADERSHIP.
UM, REPRESENTATIVE BLISS IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATED THAT SHE WASN'T ABLE TO GET, UM, A HEARING ON THIS BILL TOMORROW.
AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT, AGAIN, IT'S THE REALTORS WHO HAVE, UM, EXPRESSED AN ISSUE WITH, WITH THE LANGUAGE, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE NOT EVEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY PRES TO PRESENT SOME AMENDMENT LANGUAGE THAT, UM, THAT COULD HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THE ISSUES.
SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT, UM, EVERY VEHICLE AND AVENUE, UM, TO ADDRESS THIS.
UM, OUR, OUR ADVOCATE IS MEETING WITH LEADERSHIP, UM, THIS
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WEEK AND NEXT WEEK, AND ALSO THE DIFFERENT, UM, LOBBYISTS OUT THERE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS MOVING FORWARD, BUT INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTING NEWS AND, UM, JUST FRUSTRATING THAT WE CAN'T EVEN GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.SO THE REALTORS ARE DOING IT AGAIN THIS YEAR, CORRECT? YES.
OUR FRIENDS, THE REALTORS, YES.
UM, BUT A AGAIN, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, WE HAVE HAD SOME REALTORS, LOCAL REALTORS WHO ARE ADVISING SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS WHEN THEY PURCHASE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TO PUT IT IN AN LLC NAME.
IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER ONE, THEY'LL PUT IT IN ANOTHER LLC NAME.
SO THAT WOULD'VE ALSO BEEN DIFFICULT FOR US, US TO TRACK.
SO THE, THE, THE REALTORS ARE VERY ACTIVE, CORRECT.
IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, EX PROLIFERATION, CUZ IT'S IN THEIR INTERESTS.
UH, I WILL SAY, JUST ON THIS, UM, THERESA AND I DID TALK TODAY, AND WE ARE AT 70% COMPLIANCE ON, UM, PERMITS IF YOU TOMORROW IS THE DEADLINE.
UM, BUT WE'VE DONE A REALLY NICE JOB OF, OF ENFORCING EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN STATUTE.
SO WE WILL KEEP CONGRATULATIONS TRYING.
THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTAL BILLS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED THIS SESSION.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE SWEER BILL THAT COUNCIL SUPPORTED.
I'M, I'M SHOULD JUST LET YOU KNOW, UH, AND COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT THIS IS THE ONE THAT, UM, WOULD CARRY THE, THE GENERAL, UM, THE BALLOT LANGUAGE TO REPEAL 1350.
BASICALLY, UM, COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, A MARSH BILL, SENATE BILL 1497, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN INCREDIBLY, UM, INTERESTING BILL FOR US AND SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD HELP US SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, BUT IT REPEALS THE STATUTES THAT PROHIBITS, UH, CITIES AND COUNTIES FROM PROHIBITING VACATION OR SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND LIMITING THE RESTRICTIONS THAT MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES MAY PLACE.
BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT DOES IS IT KIND OF GETS US AROUND SOME OF THE PROP 2 0 7 POTENTIAL QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE COUNSEL TO, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS BILL IS MOVING, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS, AND I THINK, KURT, YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS LANGUAGE AS WELL, 1497.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP US SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE COUNSEL TO SUPPORT THAT.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OTHER, UH, CITIES HAVE SIGNED ON TO SUPPORT YET? UM, I DO NOT, BUT I CAN CHECK TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAS SIGNED IN.
COULD, IS THERE A WAY WE COULD SPREAD THE WORD TO OUR COLLEAGUES IN THIS BATTLE? YES.
AND THEN, UM, S CR 10 32, THIS IS, UM, ANOTHER GENERAL ELECTION QUESTION, UM, TO REPEAL THE STATUTES PROHIBITING CITIES AND TOWNS FROM PRO PROHIBITING VACATION RENTALS OR SHORT TERM AND RESTRICTING THE TYPES OF REGULATIONS THAT MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES MAY IMPOSE.
BASICALLY, AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, REPEALING 1350
AND THAT'S THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, IF, IF WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, THAT'S LIKELY GONNA BE THE ONLY WAY THAT WE GET SOMETHING THROUGH.
IF WE COULD FIND OUT IF WE COULD SPREAD THE WORD TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO GET ON THAT ONE.
AND THEN, UH, SENATE BILL 1193, ANOTHER BILL FROM, UM, SENATOR MARSH, WHO MUST BE HAVING SOME, UM, ST R ISSUES IN HER DISTRICT.
WHAT IS HER DISTRICT? SHE'S THE PHOENIX AREA.
UM, AGAIN, ANOTHER, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S THE SAME.
UM, REPEALS STATUTES THAT PROHIBIT MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES.
THIS ONE, I CAN'T ACTUALLY REMEMBER WHAT THIS ONE DOES.
WELL, WHATEVER IT IS REPEALED.
WELL, BASED ON THIS DESCRIPTION, YEAH.
WE NEED TO SUPPORT, AND I'LL GET YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT, PLEASE.
BEFORE WE JUST END UP ON THIS, UH, TOPIC OF SHORT TERM RENTALS, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO, UH, I KNOW THAT THIS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, THIS PAST WEEKEND ACTUALLY, THAT SEDONA WAS PART
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OF A GROUP OF CITIES THAT, UH, WERE FINE WITH, UH, UH, NOT HAVING ANY CHANGES.AND WE WERE ACCUSED OF THROWING THE, THE COMMUNITY UNDER THE BUS, AND IT WAS ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA FOR ALMOST THREE DAYS.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
JOANNE, YOU, YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF THIS.
WE DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER TODAY, BUT CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT POSITION WE DID TAKE ON THAT, THAT ISSUE WITH THE, UH, THE 1168? SURE.
UM, MAYOR JALO, UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MORATORIUM THAT YES.
SO, UM, WE WERE, WE WERE AT THE TABLE.
UM, KURT AND I, UM, WERE AT THE TABLE FOR THE, THE WORKING GROUP THAT INCLUDED SEVERAL CITIES, UM, THAT INCLUDED, UH, IT WAS SEDONA, FLAGSTAFF, PARADISE VALLEY, FOUNTAIN HILLS, GOOD SCOTTSDALE LAKE, HAVASU LAKE, HAVASU CITY WAS THE BIG ONE.
UM, GOODYEAR WAS THERE AT TIMES.
UM, AND WE WORKED THROUGH THE ENTIRE SESSION TO THE POINT WHERE, UM, THERE WAS, WAS A REQUEST FOR, UM, US TO, TO SUPPORT 1186.
AND IF YOU RECALL, 1186 IS THE BILL THAT ADDRESSES NUISANCE ISSUES, PRIMARILY THE ONE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT GAVE US THE AUTHORITY TO, TO PUT OUR PERMITTING PROCESS IN PLACE.
I ALWAYS GET THE FIR I ALWAYS GET THE FIRST TWO.
THAT'S THE, UH, THE FIRST TWO.
SO, UH, WE, WE DID NOT AGREE TO THE MORATORIUM IN ITS CURRENT FORM, WHAT WAS SIGNED.
UM, THERE WERE SPECIFIC DETAILS IN THERE ABOUT YEARS.
WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT YEARS, UM, AGREEING TO A MORATORIUM.
WE DID, UM, IF YOU RECALL, WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE MORATORIUM DID NOT IMPACT ANYTHING RELATED TO, UM, PROLIFERATION AND ALLOWING US TO ADDRESS THAT THIS SESSION.
AND THERE WAS SOME SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THAT MORATORIUM THAT SAID THAT THIS MORATORIUM DOES NOT APPLY TO THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DID NOT AGREE.
WE, WE DID NOT SEE THE FINAL MORATORIUM THAT WAS SIGNED, AND WE DIDN'T AGREE TO THAT LANGUAGE.
KIRK, YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING OR THAT'S NO, THAT, THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION AS WELL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UM, I, I BELIEVE WE EVEN CAME BACK TO COUNCIL AND DISCUSSED IT AND SAID, COUNCIL, WOULD YOU AGREE TO A MORATORIUM? AND, AND EVEN THE WORK GROUP COUNCIL SAID NO.
AND EVEN THE WORK GROUP SAID WE WOULD CONSIDER MORATORIUM IF WE GOT EVERYTHING WE WANTED OUT OF THIS BILL AND THE WORK GROUP.
AND THE CITIES DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING THEY WANTED OUT OF THE BILL.
AND SO THAT WAS WHERE THE DISCUSSIONS ENDED.
AND SO MY RECOLLECTION IS THE SAME AS JOANNE.
THAT WAS NOT, UM, ANYTHING THE CITY AGREED TO.
CAN I JUST ASK YOU TO SPECIFY WHO THE SIGNATURE SIGNATORIES WERE OF THAT AGREEMENT? WHO AGREED WAS, UM, THE, UH, LEAGUE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, TOM BEHI, UH, JOHN CHOI, WHO WAS THE AIRBNB REPRESENTATIVE WORKING ON THIS LAST SESSION, WHO IS NO LONGER WITH AIRBNB.
AND, UM, KURT, DO YOU RECALL IT WAS, UH, EXPEDIA? SO IN ANY CASE IT WAS, IT WAS BETWEEN THE LEAGUE AND THE AIRBNB PLATFORMS. EXACTLY.
AND NO CITY, INCLUDING SEDONA WAS INVOLVED IN THIS AGREEMENT, CORRECT? YES.
BUT YET HAD AN EASY CENTRAL, WHICH IS, UH, THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC.
THEY GOT IT WRONG ON THE PAPER.
SO, UH, WELL, BRIAN WAS FIRST.
I'M READY TO MOVE ON TO DIFFERENT BILLS IF WE'RE DONE WITH THIS.
I, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, SHOULD WE GO ON RECORD AS, UH, OBJECTING? SHOULD WE CLARIFY OUR POSITION? WELL, I THINK WE HAVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, I BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR HAS MADE COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
BUT THIS ISN'T, I THINK MY, MY, MY ADVICE WOULD BE, I, WE MAY STILL NEED THE LEAGUE SUPPORT THIS YEAR YES.
SO I WOULD RATHER NOT GO ON RECORD.
HAVE WE TALKED TO THE LEAGUE ABOUT THIS? THERE'S BEEN, YEAH, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS YES.
AND THE INTER GOV GROUP AND BETWEEN SOME MANAGERS, BUT I THINK DOING YOUR PURPOSE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS, THE ARTICLE CAME OUT DECEMBER 21ST.
IT'S REHA IT, IT'S MONTHS OLD NOW.
I JUST WANTED OUR RESIDENTS TO KNOW THAT WE DID NOT THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS.
BUT, BUT ACCORDING TO SOCIAL MEDIA, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS
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ACCURATE, TOM BESHE SAID, WE DID SIGN OFF ON IT.NOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ACCURATE OR NOT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I CAN CHECK RIGHT.
AND THEN, UH, PETE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, IS THERE ANYBODY, ANYTHING ELSE ON WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR THAT, PETE, YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO THE WATER ISSUES? YEAH.
THIS IS, UH, A RESULT OF THE WORK THAT I'M DOING WITH THE NORTHERN ARIZONA MUNICIPAL WATER USERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS OF COURSE ONE OF THE BOARDS THAT YOU ALL POINTED ME TO.
WATER IS A POPULAR TOPIC THIS YEAR IN THE LEGISLATURE.
UH, JOANNE, I KNOW THAT WE'VE EMAILED BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BLUNT, THESE, I REALLY HAVE BOILED MY LIST DOWN TO JUST FOUR BILLS MM-HMM.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T GET AS, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LOBBYIST AND WE DON'T GET AS TIMELY UPDATES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THESE BILLS AND WHETHER, SO I THINK THE REQUEST REALLY IS JUST TO MONITOR THEM AND MAYBE FOR YOU TO BRING US BACK SOME INFORMATION, BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THEM ALL.
HB 2136 IS A BILL ON HOMELESSNESS AND RESTROOMS AND 24 HOUR ACCESS THAT WOULD HAVE SOME IMPLICATION IN THE CITY.
HB 26 53 IS A BILL ABOUT RESTAURANTS, WATER, AND STRAWS, AND WHETHER, UH, A RESTAURANT OR, UH, CAN, UH, ONLY OFFER THOSE ON REQUESTS.
SO IT'S KIND OF A SUSTAINABILITY BILL THAT, UH, I THINK THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN THE PAST.
IS THERE A STATUTE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO OFFER WATER WHEN SOMEONE SITS DOWN? THERE'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I, I'VE HEARD THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
AND THIS IS A BILL NOW SAYING THAT YOU MAY OFFER TO NOT, UH, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT UNLESS SOMEBODY REQUESTS IT.
UH, HB 27 31 IS IDENTICAL TO SB 1306, WHICH IS THE LOCAL GROUNDWATER STEWARDSHIP AREAS.
THIS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UM, AN INTERESTING AREA OF DISCUSSION AMONGST THE NAMU MEMBERS.
NOT ALL CONSENSUS ON IT EITHER.
MY QUESTION, THOUGH, IT SEEMS KIND OF INTERESTING, IT APPEARS TO APPLY ONLY TO COUNTIES OUTSIDE AMAS TO ESTABLISH THESE STEWARDSHIP AREAS.
UH, HAS ANYONE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE A CITY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN ALSO ESTABLISHING A STEWARDSHIP AREA? MM-HMM.
SO WHETHER THERE'S ROOM IN THAT BILL FOR THAT, AGAIN, DON'T KNOW THE STATUS, WHETHER IT'S MOVING OR NOT.
AND THE FINAL ONE IS HP 26 46.
I THINK YOU AND I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS.
HB 26 46, WHICH IS ABOUT, UH, WATER AND ENERGY, UH, AND THE C PACE PROGRAM, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ASSESSED CLEAN ENERGY PROGRAM.
IT'S A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM THAT THE STATE OF ARIZONA HAS NEVER ADOPTED.
AND SO THIS IS SOME LEGISLATION TO DO THAT.
AND IT'S ABOUT, UH, GETTING FINANCING FOR DOING ENERGY, UH, PROJECTS TO COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES IN THE STATE.
SO JOANNE, WILL YOU ADD THOSE FOUR TO OUR I WILL ACT, ACTUALLY, PROBABLY WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL PUT KIND OF A SUMMARY TOGETHER OF THOSE BILLS AND SEND IT OUT TO ALL OF YOU.
THERE'S A COUPLE MORE WATER BILLS TOO.
ANYTHING? I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO THE, THERE ARE NO O HV BILLS AT ALL, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE TO INCREASE MONEY TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, TIM MAY BE A GOOD ONE TO ASK WHEN HE'S UP HERE.
UM, THERE'S, THERE, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE STUDY COMMITTEE TO BE ASSEMBLED
BUT IT STILL HAS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, IT STILL HAS NOT MET.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF IN THE WAIT AND SEE MODE ON OHVS.
SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A WAIT AND DO NOTHING MODE.
I'LL GET, UM, THE ANSWER ON THE, THE ENFORCEMENT BILL BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING AND BRING IT BACK IF YOU CAN.
UM, SO BEFORE WE GO ON TO THE FISHING AND GAME, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.
UH, HE'S HERE, BUT THEN I UNDERSTAND, UH, INTEREST IN A BREAK.
[8.b. AB 2915 Presentation/discussion and update from the Arizona Game and Fish Department to discuss the consideration of a wildlife feeding ordinance.]
PRESENTATION DISCUSSION.AN UPDATE FROM THE ARIZONA FISH AND GAME DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS CONSIDERATION OF A
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WILDLIFE FEEDING ORDINANCE.THANKS FOR MAKING THE TRIP DOWN.
I'M WITH ARIZONA GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT.
I'M FIELD SUPERVISOR OUTTA FLAGSTAFF.
AND OH, YOU JUST CAME DOWN FROM FLAGG? I DID.
AND I, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A LITTLE LATE.
I THOUGHT I LEFT IN TIME, BUT I DIDN'T, SO, OKAY.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE ROADS WERE A LITTLE, A LITTLE SLICK UNTIL I GOT TO STONEMAN LAKE, SO, UM, YEAH, I'M HERE TO PRESENT, UM, SOME, BASICALLY LIVING WITH WILDLIFE INFORMATION IS WHAT WE CALL IT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A STATEWIDE, UM, PROGRAM THAT WE, UM, THAT WE TRY TO EMPHASIZE IS NOT GETTING RID OF WILDLIFE AND NOT, UM, REMOVING 'EM, BUT LIVING WITH THEM.
AND, UM, I'LL GO INTO A FEW MORE DETAILS ON THAT AS WE GO THROUGH HERE.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GO OVER THE BACKGROUND THEN LIVING WITH WILDLIFE, LIKE I SAID.
AND THEN, UM, UM, JOANNE HAD MENTIONED THAT, UM, I HAD GIVEN HER SOME WILDLIFE FEEDING ORDINANCES IN, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND OTHER, UM, JURISDICTIONS AROUND THE STATE.
SO I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, BACKGROUND ON THE GAME OF FISH DEPARTMENT.
UM, SOME, SOME AGENCIES ARE CALLED FISH AND GAME.
THE, UM, THE UNITED STATES GRANTED AUTHORITY TO MANAGE WILDLIFE TO THE STATES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE EVERY STATE HAS THEIR OWN WILDLIFE OR CONSERVATION ORGANIZATION.
SO, UM, WE'RE A USER PAY BUB PUBLIC BENEFIT MODEL.
WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY GENERAL TAX DOLLARS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT, AND WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY GENERAL TAX DOLLARS.
SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF A RARE ENTITY IN GOVERNMENT.
THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER, I THINK IN STATE GOVERNMENT.
IT'S THE GAMING, GAMING DEPARTMENT.
IT'S KIND OF FUNNY GAME AND FISH AND THEN GAMING.
BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S ONLY TWO IN STATE GOVERNMENT THAT ARE BUSINESS ORIENTED.
THEY MAKE THEIR OWN MONEY, THEY USE THEIR OWN MONEY.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE STATUTORY EARLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING ARIZONA'S 800 PLUS WILDLIFE SPECIES.
UM, SO IS YOUR MONEY, JUST CURIOUS, IS FROM FEES, UH, GOOD LICENSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YEAH.
UH, PRIMARILY FROM HUNTING AND FISHING LICENSE DOLLARS.
UM, IT'S A USER PAID PUBLIC BENEFIT CUZ THE PUBLIC OR THE WILDLIFE BELONGS TO EVERYBODY IN THE STATE.
SO, BUT NOT EVERYBODY HUNTS AND FISHES.
SO, UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MATCHES IT FROM WHAT THEY CALL, UM, PR MONEY PIT PITTMAN ROBERTSON AND DEEL JOHNSON MONEY.
THAT MONEY IS AN EXCISE TAX ON HUNTING AND FISHING EQUIPMENT.
UM, SO THERE'S A FEDERAL TAX ON HUNTING AND FISHING EQUIPMENT THAT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW.
WHEN YOU GO BY AMMUNITION, YOU'RE PAYING A TAX THAT HELPS SUPPORT WILDLIFE CONSERVATION.
SO THE PUBLIC BENEFITS FROM THAT AS WELL.
TIM, HOW MANY OF YOU ARE IN THE REGION FOR US? WHAT IN VERDE VALLEY? UM, I'M IN THE, YEAH, AGAIN, I'M OUT OF THE FLAGSTAFF REGION.
AND WE HAVE ABOUT 40 EMPLOYEES OUT OF THE FLAGSTAFF ON THE, ON THE GROUND, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, UH, ON THE GROUND.
WELL THAT'S MORE THAN A LOT OF OTHER AGENCIES THAT WE DEAL WITH.
BUT OUR, THE FLAGSTAFF REGION COVERS FROM HERE TO THE STATE OF UTAH, SO, NO, I GET IT.
BUT YEAH, I SEE A VEHICLE DOWN HERE ALL THE TIME, SO, OH, GOOD.
THAT'S OUR LOCAL WILDLIFE MANAGER, LEE LUK, IF GOOD.
SOME OF YOU HAVE MAY HAVE MET HIM.
SO OUR LONGEST TENURED GAME OF FISH EMPLOYEES NEWCOMER.
AND, UM, WHEN WE RECEIVE HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTIONS, OUR COMPLAINT CALLS, THEY, MOST OF 'EM GET FORWARDED TO OUR 24 HOUR DISPATCH, EITHER THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL, CITY ANIMAL CONTROL.
THEY ALL TRY TO FORWARD 'EM TO OUR, UM, UM, 24 HOUR DISPATCH.
AND THEN WE IMMEDIATELY TRY TO CATEGORIZE THOSE IN THOSE INDIVIDUAL INTERACTIONS BASED ON THE ANIMAL'S BEHAVIOR AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT.
UM, CATEGORY ONE AND TWO WILDLIFE CALLS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MORE SERIOUS.
THEY GENERALLY REQUIRE AN ONSITE PRESENCE BY GAME OF FISH TO TRY TO INVESTIGATE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
AND THREE AND FOUR, UH, CATEGORY THREE AND FOUR WILDLIFE CALLS ARE KIND OF YOUR GENERAL WILDLIFE CALLS, UH, A MOUNTAIN LINE OR ALINA WALKING THROUGH SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD, JUST A SIGHTING ESSENTIALLY.
UM, I'M JUST GIVING YOU THIS, SO GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET TO.
UM, AND, UM, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, WE DID REMOVE SOME HALINA IN SEDONA, UM, OVER JUST AROUND CHRISTMAS, JUST AFTER CHRISTMAS, AND WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME FACTS RELATED TO THAT REMOVAL EFFORT.
UM, THEY WERE CATEGORIES AS CATEGORY ONE WILDLIFE, CATEGORY ONE, WILDLIFE, OUR ANIMALS THAT HAVE CAUSED HUMAN INJURY.
AND, UM, OUR, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A HUMAN INTERAC HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTION POLICY THAT'S BASED ON, UH, WILDLIFE SCIENCE, UM, THAT'S, UM, VETTED THROUGH SEVERAL OTHER WESTERN WILDLIFE AGENCIES.
AND, UM, IF YOU LOOK ACROSS NOT ONLY JUST THE WEST, BUT THE UNITED STATES WILDLIFE AGENCIES, A LOT OF THOSE, A LOT OF THOSE POLICIES ARE, ARE VESTED IN SCIENCE ON WHAT HAPPENS TO WILDLIFE WHEN WE CAPTURE 'EM AND REMOVE THEM AND RELEASE THEM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, SO ON DECEMBER 9TH, UH, WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST REPORT OF A VICTIM THAT WAS BITTEN IN THE HAND.
UM, AND THEN ON DECEMBER 17TH, A SEC, A SECOND VICTIM WAS
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BITTEN ON THE ANKLE WHILE SHE WAS ACTIVELY TRYING TO FEED ALINA.UM, SHE WAS EATING A HAMBURGER AND PART OF THE BUN TO THE, UM, QUESTION.
YEAH, BUT I JUST, OH, DO YOU WANT US TO WAIT TILL THE END? I JUST, CAN WE DO THAT PLEASE? YEAH, I JUST, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
IT'S NOT A LONG PRESENTATION AND I'D LIKE TO GET THANK YOU.
SO WHEN IT'S OVER, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, ON DECEMBER 17TH, RECEIVED A ANOTHER CALL ABOUT A SECOND VICTIM THAT WAS ACTIVELY, UH, BIT ON THE ANKLE.
SHE WAS ACTUALLY EATING A HAMBURGER THROUGH PART OF THE BUN TO THE HALINA.
UM, THE HALINA WANTED MORE, STARTED APPROACHING HER, SHE KICKED IT AWAY WITH HER, WITH HER FEET.
SHE WAS SITTING ON THE GROUND, TRIED TO PUSH IT AWAY WITH HER FEET, AND IT BITTED ON HER ANKLE.
SO, UM, AND THEN, UH, WHEN WE CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON THE DAY AFTER THAT ONE, UH, WE DISCOVERED A THIRD BITE VICTIM THAT HAD HAPPENED THREE MONTHS EARLIER.
WHILE HE WAS AN ELDERLY MAN THAT WAS TRYING TO, UH, FEEL HIS BIRD FEEDER.
IT CAME UP AND BIT HIM ON THE BACK OF THE CALF.
UM, ALL THREE VICTIMS, UM, HEAVILY, THE BITES AREN'T PRETTY.
UM, THEY'RE WORSE THAN DOG BITES AND, UM, THEY ALL SOUGHT EMERGENCY ROOM TREATMENT AND POST-EXPOSURE, RABIES TREATMENT.
UM, HALINA DUKE, ALL MAMMALS ARE POTENTIAL VECTORS OF RABIES HALINA, RARELY CARRY 'EM, BUT HAVE, UM, RABIES IS A FATAL DISEASE, SO WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S ULTIMATELY THEIR CHOICE.
UM, DURING THAT SITE VISIT, WE ALSO OBSERVED 18 HEAVILY ON THE SITE OF, UM, THE, ON THE SITE OF THE, WHERE THE SECOND VICTIM WAS BITTEN, WHICH IS MAYBE A HUNDRED FEET FROM WHERE THE FIRST VIC VICTIM WAS BITTEN, MAYBE 200 FEET.
UM, WE FELT PRETTY COMFORTABLE THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY THE OFFENDING HERD OF HALINA THAT HAD BITTEN ALL THREE PEOPLE.
AND, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE TRIED TO HAZE THOSE ANIMALS TO TRY TO TEST THEIR BEHAVIOR ON HOW THEY WERE ACTING, UM, THEY DID NOT RUN AT ALL.
IN FACT, ONE OF THE, UM, VICTIMS HAD TOLD US, LIKE, THEY RUN TOWARDS GRAVEL AS THOUGH IT'S FOOD BEING THROWN OUT.
AND SO WE TESTED THAT THROUGH AND THREW SOME GRAVEL AND THEY RAN TOWARDS THE GRAVEL, LIKE, LIKE DUCKS RAN, RUN TO BREAD AT A POND, SO THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
UM, AND SO BECAUSE THEY WERE CATEGORY ONE, OUR POLICY IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE REMOVE ANY CATEGORY ONE ANIMALS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY REASONS.
UM, AND SO WE INITIATED A CAGE TRAPPING AND A TRANQUILIZER DART EFFORT ON DECEMBER 27TH.
IT RAN FOR ABOUT FIVE DAYS, AND WE DID CAPTURE 19 HEAVILY, AND WE WERE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE, WE CAPTURED 95, 90 8% OF THE FENDING HERD.
AND, UM, AND WE TRANSFERRED THOSE ANIMALS DOWN TO, UM, SOUTHWEST WILDLIFE CONSERVATION CENTER.
THAT'S ONE OF OUR WILDLIFE REHABILITATION CENTERS.
THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THEY'RE LICENSED THROUGH US, UM, AS A WILDLIFE REHABBER.
AND WE HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH A PRETTY AWESOME FACILITY.
UM, THEY TAKE, IT'S NOT OFTEN, OR IT'S FAIRLY OFTEN THAT THEY TAKE PROBLEM HALINA OFF OUR HANDS.
SO, UM, SO THAT WAS THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED IN, IN DECEMBER.
AND, UM, FROM THERE WE'LL JUST GO ON A LITTLE BIT MORE DEEPER INTO HOW WE ENCOURAGE COMMUNITIES TO LIVE WITH WILDLIFE.
UM, MOST OF THE PROBLEMS RESULT IN BEHAVIORS THAT CREATE OPPORTUNITY FOR WILDLIFE.
UM, AN INDIFFERENCE OR INTOLERANCE OF PEOPLE TOWARDS WILDLIFE MAKES THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I CAN TELL YOU, WHEN I VISITED THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE REMOVED THEM, I WAS KINDA SHOCKED.
IT WAS PROBABLY THE WAY THAT HALINA WERE ACTING.
UM, IN MY 22 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, LIVING IN HALINA COUNTRY WAS THE WORST I'VE SEEN, UM, TO HAVE THEM RUN, RUN TOWARDS GRAVEL.
AND, AND THEN I WATCHED PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR AT THE SAME TIME WHILE I WAS IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE HEAVILY WERE RULING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, PEOPLE WEREN'T ATTEMPTING TO HAZE THEM OR SCARE THEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL IF THERE'S AN INDIFFERENCE OR AN INTOLERANCE TOWARDS WILDLIFE, AND THEY BECOME, THEY BECOME VERY BOLD.
UM, AND SO WE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS TRY TO, IT'S USUALLY AN EM AN EMPHASIS ON THE COMMUNITY TO HELP KEEP WILDLIFE WILD.
THOSE HEAVENLY WEREN'T WILD ANYMORE.
BASIC ELEMENTS OF WILDLIFE, BIOLOGY, FOOD, WATER, SHELTER, OPEN SPACE, THOSE THINGS CAN ALSO BE CONSIDERED AT ATTRACTANTS.
AND, UM, WHEN YOU BUILD A COMMUNITY, THE WILDLIFE WILL COME BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE HABITAT CONDITIONS ARE BETTER IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, ESPECIALLY DURING SOME OF THE, IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT DROUGHT RIGHT NOW WITH THE WINTER WE'RE HAVING.
BUT WITH THE LONG TERM DROUGHT, WE'RE HAVING, UM, A LOT OF, LOT OF WILDLIFE FIND BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN, IN OUR URBAN AREAS.
UM, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE CONSIDERED SOME FOOD ATTRACTIONS? UH, PET FOOD, UNSECURED GARDENS, COMPOST PILES, UM, SUCCULENT PLANTS, UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FEEDING, UH, FOOD SCRAPS, BIRD FEEDERS,
UM, WATER BUR BASS, GARDEN HOSE LEAKS, GOLF COURSES, PARKS, URBAN AREAS, TROUGHS, UM,
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SHELTER, UM, HEAVILY IN PARTICULAR, UM, DECKS, PORCHES, THEY LOVE TO FIND PLACES WHERE THEY CAN HIDE IN A DARK, UM, CLOSED PLACE.UM, BARNS, SHEDS, UM, SHRUBS, TREES, EVERYTHING THAT MAKES IT A NICE PLACE FOR US TO LIVE.
MAKES A NICE PLACE FOR, FOR ANIMALS TO LIVE.
UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF SIMILAR DESIRE FOR PREFERRED HABITATS, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE HUMAN WILDLIFE CONFLICTS.
WE DON'T PRETEND LIKE WE CAN GET RID OF ALL HUMAN WILDLIFE CONFLICTS, BUT WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF MANAGING THEM.
UM, AGAIN, I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE INDIFFERENCE OR THE TOLERANCE OF WILDLIFE, UM, AND ACTIVE OR INADVERTENT FEEDING.
UM, A KEY HERE IS RE UH, BASED ON OUR, OUR SCIENCE OVER TIME REMOVAL OF PROBLEMS IS A SHORT TERM SOLUTION.
UM, IT'S, UH, IN PARTICULARLY FOR COYOTES AND HEAVILY AND IN THE SEDONA AREA, IF YOU REMOVE A HERD, THERE'S ANOTHER HERD ADJACENT THAT'S GONNA TAKE OVER THAT.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A SHORT TERM SOLUTION.
IT'S 1, 1, 1 OF THE REASONS WHY WE DON'T LIKE DOING IT'S A LAST RESORT, ESSENTIALLY.
UH, LONG TERM SOLUTION, LIKE I SAID, IS A COMMUNITY BASED ACTIVE PARTICIPATION, UM, STRATEGY.
UM, SO HOW, HOW DO WE LIVE WITH OUR LIFE? HOW DO WE MAKE THEM NOT COMFORTABLE? UH, REMOVE THESE ATTRACTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, MOTION LIGHTS, UH, NOISES, FENCE.
UH, SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT AGREE WITH THE CHEMICAL MEANS, BUT AMMONIA WORKS REALLY WELL IN A, IN A BIG SUPER SOAKER WATER GUN, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR WATER.
AMMONIA WORKS REALLY WELL AND HAVE LENA, UM, THEY HAVE VERY SENSITIVE NOSES.
SO, UM, JUST BASICALLY THE BASIC ELEMENTS OF, OF WHAT WE TELL PEOPLE FOR BEARS AND MOUNTAIN LION AS WELL.
MAKE YOURSELF LARGE, YELL AT 'EM.
JUST MAKE 'EM NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I ACTUALLY HAD SOME ALINA IN MY YARD AND FLAGSTAFF, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, THEY, THEY'VE, THEY, THEY'VE TAKEN UP RESIDENTS AND FLAGSTAFF NOW FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND, AND WE GET A LOT OF CALLS AND FLAGSTAFF, AND WE'RE LIKE, THEY'RE HERE TO STAY AND WE CAN'T GO AND REMOVE ALL THE HEAVILY, AND IF NOT, THERE'LL BE MORE.
WHAT DID I DO? I WENT OUT IN THE GARAGE AND GRABBED SOME, SOME BASEBALLS AND THREW 'EM AT 'EM, AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BACK SINCE.
SO, UM, DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY.
BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST, JUST KEEPING 'EM WILD.
THEY SHOULDN'T, THEY SHOULDN'T BE HANGING OUT ON PEOPLE'S PORCHES.
A LOT OF, LOT OF CONCERNS OVER PETS.
MOST HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTIONS WITH HALINA NEGATIVE HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTIONS WITH HALINA HAVE TO DO WITH A DOG ON A LEASH.
PREDATORS ARE WHAT HA SEE AS NATURAL PREDATORS.
SO DOGS AND HALINA TANGLE UP FAIRLY COMMON, AND THEN PEOPLE GET INVOLVED TRYING TO BREAK UP THAT FIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE GET BITTEN.
LARGER ANIMALS, UM, PRETTY SIMILAR FENCES.
UM, IF THE COMMUNITY ALLOWS IT OR IF THE HOA ALLOWS IT, UM, UH, FRUIT TREES AND GARDENS CAN BE FENCED OFF.
AGAIN, THE CHEMICAL MEANS AND MECHANICAL MEANS, AND, BUT JUST OVERALL MAKING 'EM FEEL UNSAFE, MAKING LOUD NOISES.
UM, SOMETIMES WE HAVE PEOPLE CALL WITH HEAVILY, HEAVILY OR OTHER WILDLIFE STUCK IN THEIR BACKYARD.
LIKE, HAVE YOU OPENED A GATE YET? NO, OPEN THE GATE.
SO
UM, IT, IT CHANGES NATURAL TO YOU PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, THE WHILE IT BECOMES, BECOMES HABITUATED, IT BECOME DEPENDENT, LESS WARY, LOSES NATURAL FEAR, BECOME DANGEROUS, UNPREDICTABLE, AND AGGRESSIVE.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TRACK THIS FOR.
WE'VE, WE, WE ESTABLISHED A REALLY GOOD TRACKING MECHANISM, UH, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, A DATABASE THAT WE, EVERY CALL THAT COMES INTO OUR DEPARTMENT GETS TRACKED AND CATEGORIZED.
AND THE DATA SHOWS THAT MOST BITES, MOST SCRATCHES, MOST UM, MOST INTER NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS THAT RESULT IN HUMAN INJURY ARE A RESULT OF SOMEBODY FEEDING NEARBY.
UH, UM, COUPLE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH FEEDING, UH, UNNATURAL CROWDING THAT ATTRACTS PREDATORS.
UM, THE PETS, LIKE I SAID, HERE'S A PICTURE OF A DOG THAT SUFFERED A ATTACK FROM A HALINA, UM, MOUNTAIN LION.
WE HAVE, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEWS, AND WE HAVE FAMILY IN MOUNTAIN LION LIVING IN MUNKS PARK RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'RE FACING A SIMILAR, A SIMILAR SITUATION THERE.
THE INDIFFERENCE, THE INTOLERANCE TOWARDS PEOPLE, TOWARDS THOSE MOUNTAIN LINES IS PROBABLY GONNA RESULT IN THE, PROBABLY GONNA RESULT IN THE REMOVAL OF THOSE, UM, OF THOSE ANIMALS, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE TO GO TO LIFE AND CAPTIVITY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY, WHAT WE WANT.
SO, UM, FOOD, THE FOOD THAT PEOPLE FEED.
WILDLIFE IS NOT FORMULATED FOR CONSUMPTION BY WILDLIFE.
AND AGAIN, WE STRESS THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO FIND THEIR OWN FOOD.
THE MORE, THE MORE YOU CONCENTRATE PEOPLE, THE MORE YOU CONCENTRATE WILDLIFE.
THE PROPENSITY FOR DISEASE SPREAD INCREASES.
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UH, CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE, UH, AFFECTS, UM, ALL DEER AND ELK, UH, OF THE MEMBERS OF THE DEER AND ELK FAMILY.WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN ARIZONA YET, BUT IT HAS BEEN LINKED TO FARMS IN THE MIDWEST AND OTHER WESTERN STATES WHERE THEY HAVE DEER AND ELK FARMS WHERE THEY RAISE 'EM FOR ANTLERS OR MEAT.
UM, AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT RABIES.
THE MOST COMMON, UH, RABIES CARRIERS ARE SKUNKS, FOXES, AND RACCOONS HERE, UH, HALINA HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO CARRY RABIES, BUT IT'S UNCOMMON.
OUR SAYING IS A, A FED ANIMAL IS A DEAD ANIMAL.
UM, IT'S GONNA DIE AT SOME POINT OR GET, LEAVE ITS LIFE IN CAPTIVITY ACTIVITY.
SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR WILDLIFE BIOLOGISTS.
HE, HE DREW THIS ABOUT 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO.
AND IT'S, IT'S THE CLA I THINK IT'S THE BEST CARICATURE OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT, THERE'S A PASSION, PEOPLE HAVE A PASSION FOR WILDLIFE AND COMES WITH THAT PASSION.
IT'S LIKE, I GOTTA TAKE CARE OF IT.
I GOTTA FEED IT RIGHT? THEN THE NEXT NEIGHBOR'S CHASING HIM AWAY CUZ HE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T STAND HIM.
SO, UH, I THINK THIS CARTOON THAT OUR, ONE OF OUR WILDLIFE BIOLOGISTS DREW IS, IS VERY CLASSIC OF WHAT HAPPENS IN COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY.
IT'S THE SAME RESPONSE WHEN WE TRY TO, WHEN WE END UP REMOVING HEAVILY ENOUGH FROM A COMMUNITY, IT GENERALLY SPLITS A COMMUNITY IN HALF.
UM, WE'RE EXPECTING THE SAME RESPONSE IN, IN MONTHS PARK WHEN WE REMOVE THOSE HEAVILY.
AND WE'VE ALREADY GETTING RE WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME, SOME, UM, SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA, DON'T TOUCH THE MOUNTAIN LION, PLEASE REMOVE 'EM.
SO IT, IT ALWAYS, IT ALWAYS, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT ALWAYS SPLITS A COMMUNITY.
UM, SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU FEED WILDLIFE RESPONSIBLY? IS THERE A WAY? UH, WE ONLY, WE ONLY ENCOURAGE BIRDS AND TREE SQUIRRELS.
AND THOSE, THOSE, UH, BIRDS AND TREE SQUIRRELS, FEEDERS SHOULD BE FOUR FEET OFF THE GROUND.
AND IF IT'S, IF IT STARTS ATTRACTING OTHER WILDLIFE, WE ASK THAT PEOPLE REMOVE IT.
UM, WILDLIFE FEEDING, LIKE I SAID, A STATEWIDE ISSUE.
UH, WE AS A STATE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO, UM, PUSH THROUGH OR AT LEAST LOBBY FOR A STATEWIDE FEEDING ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL TO DATE ABOUT 12 YEAR YEARS AGO.
THERE WAS A STATEWIDE FEEDING ORDINANCE PASSED, BUT IT ONLY APPLIES TO, UH, POP, UH, COUNTIES WITH POPULATIONS OF 280,000 OR MORE.
SO CURRENTLY THAT'S ONLY MARICOPA, PIMAN AND PINAL.
UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THOSE COUNTIES OR THOSE CITIES THAT IN THOSE COUNTIES, UM, FOR ENFORCEMENT OF THAT ORDINANCE IN A REASONABLE WAY.
UM, BUT OTHER COUNTIES AND SOME CITIES HAVE TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO ENACT THEIR OWN FEE WHILE THEY'RE FEEDING ORDINANCES.
THE MOST RECENT ONE IS, UM, I HAVE IT HERE, HEWLETT COUNTY.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD AN OLD BEAR FEEDING ORDINANCE AND THEY JUST REVISED THEIRS LAST WEEK.
LAST WEEK TO INCLUDE ALL WILDLIFE, NOT JUST BEARS.
UM, OUR MOST COMMON INSTANCE WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR DATABASE ARE COYOTES, FOLLOWED BY HALINA AND THEN BEARS.
UM, IN SEDONA SPECIFICALLY, UH, WE GET ABOUT A HUNDRED HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTION CALLS PER YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE THE TREND THERE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
IT'S, IT'S STABLE, UM, AND ONLY ONE TO TWO CALLS PER YEAR SPECIFIC TO WILDLIFE FEEDING IN SEDONA.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY LAWFUL HERE, OBVIOUSLY, UM, THAT IF, IF THERE NOR WAS PASSED, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT THAT NUMBER GOES UP CUZ PEOPLE TURN THEIR NEIGHBORS IN CUZ THEY KNOW IT'S UNLAWFUL NOW.
BUT THAT GENERALLY SETTLES BACK DOWN TO A FEW WILDLIFE CALLS, UH, WILDLIFE FEEDING CALLS PER YEAR.
WE, WE SEE ABOUT WITHIN THAT FIRST YEAR OR TWO, ABOUT 95% COMPLIANCE WITH PEOPLE ON AN ORDINANCE SUCH AS THIS.
UM, INTERESTING THING ABOUT OUR WEBSITE HITS.
UH, WE HAVE A WEBSITE CALLED LIVING WITH URBAN WILDLIFE WITHIN OUR, EMBEDDED WITH OURS.
AND, UM, HALINA, IT'S BY SPECIES AND THE HALINA SPECIES PORTION GETS FOUR TIMES THE NUMBER OF HITS THAN ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER SPECIES.
WE THINK THAT'S BECAUSE HALINA ARE KINDA ENDEMIC TO THE SOUTHWEST.
AND SO A LOT OF TOURISTS AND VISITORS THAT COME TO ARIZONA AREN'T USED TO SEEING THEM.
UM, UM, IT'S A PROACTIVE WILDLIFE FEED ORDINANCE IS A PROACTIVE WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT TOOL.
IT REGULATES FEEDING OF WILDLIFE TO PROTECT THE WELFARE AND SAFETY OF BOTH THE WILDLIFE AND THE PEOPLE.
UM, AND GENERALLY IT MAKES UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO KNOWINGLY FEED WILDLIFE OR ATTRACT WILDLIFE WITH SOME REASONABLE EXEMPTIONS.
UH, UM, THESE ARE THOSE EXEMPTIONS OR EXCEPTIONS.
UH, AGAIN, BIRDS AND TREE SQUIRRELS, UM, NEAR HUMMINGBIRD FEEDERS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, EDIBLE MATERIALS LOCATED IN A RESIDENCE OR CLOSED VEHICLE AND FEEDING DOMESTIC LIVESTOCK, HORSES, POULTRY, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
SO, PRETTY REASONABLE EXCEPTIONS.
IS IT RIGHT FOR SEDONA? UM, DON'T KNOW.
IT'S WORKED IN, UH, I CAN, WE CAN TELL YOU BY EXPERIENCE IT'S WORKED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
I'LL GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ON THAT HERE COMING UP.
UM, AND THESE ARE A FEW MORE, A FEW MORE EXCEPTIONS.
COMPOST PILES, PUBLIC AUTHORITIES DOING THEIR REGULAR DUTIES.
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SO ON THE, IF IF AN ORDINANCE OR WHEN AN ORDINANCE IS PASSED IN A COUNTY OR A CITY, UH, WE GENERALLY WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, UM, TRY TO ESTABLISH A PROTOCOL FOR ENFORCEMENT OF SUCH AN ORDINANCE.AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ENCOURAGE PROACTIVE PATROLS TO GO LOOK FOR THIS VIOLATION.
THEY'RE GONNA COME NATURALLY, THE, THE, THE REPORTS FROM THE PUBLIC WILL TURN THE TURN, UM, FOLKS IN FOR, FOR, UH, FEEDING WILDLIFE.
AND WHAT WE GENERALLY DO ON THAT FIRST COMPLAINT, WE SEND ONE OF OUR OFFICERS, OR IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, IS WILLING TO DO THAT AS WELL, UM, WE SEND AN OFFICER OVER THERE AND ISSUE A WRITTEN WARNING, ALSO DELIVER THEM SOME, SOME WILDLIFE FEEDING, UH, MATERIAL THAT WE SUPPLY, UM, SOME PAMPHLETS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THAT AFTER THE INITIAL CONTACT, AGAIN, WE GET ABOUT 95, MAYBE EVEN UPWARDS OF 98% COMPLIANCE AFTER THAT FIRST INITIAL IN-PERSON CONTACT.
UM, IT'S RARE THAT ANYBODY FEEDS AFTER THAT.
AND THIS IS TRUE BOTH IN THOSE COUNTIES THAT UNDER THE STATE LAW AND UNDER THESE JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE THEIR LOCAL ORDINANCES.
SO, UM, AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, A SUGGESTION THAT CAME OUT OF THIS RECENT HEAVILY REMOVAL FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA THAT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T ENACTED OR HAVEN'T PARTNERED WITH, WAS A PROACTIVE OUTREACH TO SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNERS.
UM, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S AWESOME.
I WE HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT IDEA AT ALL, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT CAME OUT OF SEDONA HERE.
BE DEFINITELY WILLING TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT COMPLETES KIND OF THE BACKGROUND AND, UM, WHAT OUR EXPERIENCE IS WITH THE WILDLIFE FEEDING ORDINANCE, UM, IN DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS AROUND THE STATE.
UH, WOULD DO, JESSICA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO I'D LOVE TO.
OR WOULD YOU MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THE ONE CARD THAT WE HAVE FIRST.
OH, WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT? DO WE USUALLY DO QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC? I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK YOUR QUESTION.
WE CAN GO NO, IF YOU WOULD LIKE NO, THAT'S FINE.
HOW DO, FOR THE BITES, ARE THEY, ARE YOU NOTIFIED OF THE BITES BY THE HOSPITAL? IS THAT HOW THAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE I WOULDN'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD KNOW TO CALL YOU COR.
UM, MAYOR, COUNCIL, COUNCILMAN, UH, WILLIAMSON, WE GENERALLY RECEIVE THOSE MM-HMM.
THAT WOULD, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, IN TERMS OF, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO THERE ARE FERAL CATS AROUND, THEY LEAVE FOOD OUT FOR THOSE CATS.
IS THAT, UM, WOULD THAT BE COVERED UNDER YOUR GENERAL ORDINANCE? YES, IT WOULD.
NO, I, THAT THAT'S DIFF STRONGLY DISCOURAGING IS DIFFERENT THAN HAVING IT BE PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT'S ENFORCEABLE.
SO ARE YOU, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN, UH, UH, AGAINST, AGAINST THE ORDINANCE IF YOU DID THAT AS AS I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE ANSWERS THAT I, THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED AS, AS MOST ORDINANCES ARE WRITTEN CURRENTLY.
UM, THAT WOULD BE UNLAWFUL UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
AND WE IN, IN COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE, WE STRONGLY DISCOURAGE IT.
NO, I, I I UNDERSTAND THAT IT, IT, IT BRINGS THE WILDLIFE TO, TO YOUR, YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS
RIGHT NOW THOSE WERE MY TWO, UM, MY TWO FIRST QUESTIONS, PETE, MIKE MEER.
UH, I HAVE I THINK TWO QUESTIONS, TIM.
ONE WAS JUST SHOWING MY MIDWESTERN ROOTS WHEN WE, ISSUES OF THESE CAME UP IN THE PAST, IT WAS REALLY ABOUT SALT LAKES AND DEER AND SALT LAKES.
AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY REFERENCE TO SALT LAKES AND WHETHER THAT'S A, A GOOD OR A BAD IDEA AND WHETHER IT'S A HELPFUL THING FOR WILDLIFE OR NOT.
AND WHETHER IT'S INCLUDED IN ANY OF THESE ORDINANCES OR HOW DO YOU GUYS AT FISH GAME AND FISH
COUNCIL, COUNCILMAN FERMAN, UM, SALT, MOST ORDINANCES IN THE STATE DON'T ADDRESS SALT.
THE MOST RECENT ONE IN HEAH COUNTY DOES ADDRESS SALT.
AND, UH, SPECIFICALLY THEY'VE MADE IT UNLAWFUL TO PLACE SALT WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF A RESIDENCE.
UM, AS FAR AS HEALTH OF ANIMALS, THE ANIMALS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA DON'T NEED SALT.
UM, THEY, THEY DO SEEK SALT DURING, UM, TIMES, UH, AROUND PREGNANCY OF BIRTH.
UM, BUT THEY CAN FIND THAT NATURALLY IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND THROUGH WHAT THEY EAT, THROUGH WHAT THEY EAT.
UM, IT IS SALT IS IN THE ENVIRONMENT ARTIFICIALLY AND, UM, NATURALLY ARTIFICIALLY, MOST OF THE LIVESTOCK PRODUCERS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA PUT OUT SALT TO HELP LIVESTOCK, UM, PARTICULARLY WHAT THEY CALL PARTURITION, THAT DURING THE TIME OF PREGNANCY AND BIRTH, UM, BUT IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR WILDLIFE.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS KIND OF A BROADER ONE.
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OPERATIONALIZING THESE LOCAL ORDINANCES AND KIND OF A TWO-PART.ONE IS WHAT DO WE DO CURRENTLY WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS IF, IF WE, DO WE GET ANY CALLS? AND HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST? BUT I'M ALSO TIM FROM YOU SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN HOW DO THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES WORK WITH GAME FISH? YOU TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
I GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM WHAT YOU SAID, THAT GAME AND FISH IS ALWAYS INVOLVED, BUT I'M WONDERING IF IT'S HANDLED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.
SOMETIMES IF IT'S JUST A FEEDING ISSUE WITHOUT ANY BITES, WHETHER THE LOCAL, UH, THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES DEAL WITH IT FIRST BEFORE BRINGING YOU IN AND JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THESE OPERATIONAL ISSUES.
YOU BET IT, IT VARIES BY COMMUNITY.
UM, WE ENCOURAGE COLLABORATION WITH, UH, AGAIN, IT USUALLY STARTS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE ORDINANCE SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, IF IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE RELATED ISSUE, IF IT'S MORE OF A, UH, A BITE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR A NUISANCE ANIMAL, THEN WE WORK WITH THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY OF SEDONA, I'M NOT, I HAVE TO CLAIM IGNORANCE HERE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS A CITY ANIMAL CONTROL PROGRAM OR NOT.
UM, BUT SOMETIMES WE WORK FAIRLY CLOSE WITH CITY OR COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL.
UM, IT'S USUALLY UNDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
BUT, UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IN FLAGSTAFF, UH, WE HANDLE, UH, THE, SOMETIMES WE DO GET CALLS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY FUNNEL 'EM THROUGH OUR DISPATCH.
UM, BUT WE GENERALLY HANDLE ABOUT 90% OF THE ORDINANCE RELATED ISSUES.
UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
AND SO, AND SEDONA, IF SOMEONE WERE TO CALL, DO WE JUST PASS IT OFF TO GAME AND FISH AT THIS POINT? OR DO WE DO SOME OF THE RESPONSE, WHETHER IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT OR CODE ENFORCEMENT OR COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN, I'M GOING TO HAVE OUR CHIEF OF POLICE RESPOND TO THAT.
SO, UM, TO ANSWER THE LAST QUESTION AS WELL, IF WE DO GET CALLS INITIALLY, WE TRY TO GO OUT AND WE DO HAVE, UM, TWO CSOS.
SO THOSE ARE OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS.
ONE OF THEM IS MORE SPECIALIZED IN ANIMAL CONTROL TYPE OF CALLS, BUT ONE OF THEM, IF AVAILABLE, WOULD GO OUT AND, AND INITIALLY ADDRESS IT AND USE SOME OF THE PAMPHLETS THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT EXIST TO TRY AND STOP THE FEEDING.
IF SOMETHING WERE TO CONTINUE, THEN THERE ARE TIMES WE REACH OUT TO GET MORE RESOURCES AND OR JOIN FORCES TO DEAL WITH AN ISSUE.
UM, SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
WHAT DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER AS WELL? UH, I THINK MAYOR COUNCIL, I WILL ADD THAT THERE IS ONE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY ON THE CITY BOOKS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S BEEN CITED BEFORE, BUT IT IS KEEPING A WILD ANIMALS, WHICH PROHIBITS, UH, KEEPING OR HARBORING WILD ANIMALS WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
UM, AND HARBORING IS DEFINED AS FEEDING, UH, THE WILD ANIMAL FOR FOUR OR MORE CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
SO IF YOU DID IT EVERY THREE DAYS, TOOK A DAY OFF, THEN YOU CAN GET AROUND THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
I TRIED MAYOR, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.
I DID, UH, WRITE DOWN HERE, TIM, PETE BEFORE THAT, CAN I PIGGYBACK? I KNOW WE DON'T DO THAT, BUT DON'T DO THAT.
HAS ANYBODY EVER BEEN CITED UNDER THIS ORDINANCE? NO, NOT THAT I'M AWARE.
I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOU NO, IT'S FOUR DAYS IN A ROW.
WELL, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE COULD KNOW, AND IT WOULD BE HARD AS IF NOWADAYS MOST PEOPLE HAVE CAMERAS
SO LIKE IF YOU HAD A RING CAMERA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD HELP US SHOW THAT IT WAS.
BUT TO KURT'S POINT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SHOW BECAUSE YOU COULD TAKE ONE DAY OFF AND, AND YOU HAVE A CLOCK RESTART.
SO IT, IT WAS CARRIED OVER FROM THE CODE BACK IN THE NINETIES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, UM, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED.
UM, BUT IT WAS CARRIED OVER IN THE REVAMP OF THE CODE IN 2006.
SO IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A WHILE.
WE COULD GO BACK AND CHECK PASS COURT.
THERE MIGHT BE SOMEONE, BUT IT'D BE RARE.
TIM, MY LAST QUESTION WAS, UH, I, AND I DID, I THOUGHT YOUR LIVING WITH HALINA PAGE ON YOUR WILD ON YOUR WEBSITE WAS REALLY GOOD.
LOTS OF WHAT YOU HAVE REPEATED HERE.
BUT I NOTICED THIS SECTION ON THE WEBPAGE, IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT WILDLIFE CONTROL BUSINESSES, LICENSED SERVICES.
AND THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE LICENSED HERE IN SEDONA, RUSSELL DUNN IS LISTED ON YOUR WEBPAGE, AND I WONDER IF THAT'S STILL ACTIVE AND WHAT ROLE WOULD THEY PLAY IN SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES AND ENACTED ELSEWHERE? EXCELLENT QUESTION.
WE DO, JUST LIKE WE LI LICENSED THE WILDLIFE REHABBERS, UM, TO TAKE IN WOUNDED WILDLIFE AND RELEASE 'EM AGAIN, LIKE SOUTHWEST, SOUTHWEST WILDLIFE CONSERVATION CENTER, WE DO, UM, LICENSE PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS TO REMOVE WILDLIFE.
UM, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, SHOW A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE AND TRAINING, TRAINING, UM, AND THOSE VARY.
THE, THE NUMBER OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS VARY AND THEIR EXPERIENCE LEVELS VARY BY COMMUNITY, OBVIOUSLY DOWN IN THE VALLEY.
I WORKED IN THE VALLEY FOR A WHILE TOO.
WE HAD SOME NETWORK, LIKE A SOUTHWEST WILDLIFE CENTER.
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ANYTHING.UH, THERE'S VERY FEW THAT CAN HANDLE LARGE ANIMALS LIKE HALINA.
UM, AND, UM, MR. DUNN, I'M VAGUELY FAMILIAR WITH HIM.
I DO NOT BELIEVE HE HAS THE EXPERIENCE OR LEVEL TO, TO, HE'S MORE SNAKES.
HE HAS, HE IS NO LONGER WITH THAT.
THE CONTACT ON THAT BUSINESS, THAT SERVICE HAS TRANSFERRED TO SOMEONE ELSE? NO, IT'S NO LONGER RUSSELL DUNN.
UM, YEAH, MOST OF 'EM ARE SMALLER, MA MOST OF THOSE, UM, COMPANIES ARE SMALLER MALES.
BUT WE, WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CALL THEM FIRST AND WE'D RATHER PASS THAT ON TO A PRIVATE BUSINESS IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE LICENSED BY US AND TO, TO REMOVE IT PRIVATELY.
UM, UH, IT'S A GOOD SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY IN GOOD SERVICE FOR US.
UM, BUT YEAH, GENERALLY WE DON'T GET INVOLVED UNLESS IT'S, UM, LIKE I SAID, THOSE CATEGORY ONE, TWOS, THREES AND FOURS WE PASS ON.
UH, IF IT'S, IF IT'S JUST A NUISANCE ANIMAL THAT SEEMS TO BE OR HEARD OF ANIMALS, IT SEEMS TO BE REPEATEDLY COMING IN SOMEWHERE.
UM, WE TRY TO PASS THOSE ON TO THOSE PRIVATE ORGAN OR PRIVATE LICENSEES IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, THE BITES THAT WERE REPORTED, THE HOW, HOW DID YOU ASCERTAIN THE, THE SAME SQUAD OF HALINA WAS RESPONSIBLE IN ALL THREE CASES? EXCELLENT QUESTION.
COUNCIL MEMBER ELLA, OF COURSE, I WENT OFF MY LIST.
UM, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE.
UM, THERE'S, UNLESS THE ON ON PARTICULAR WILDLIFE BITES AND LEFT IT, UNLESS THEY LEFT DNA, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO FOR BEAR AND MOUNTAIN LION ON THE VICTIM, AND WE GO THROUGH THAT MUCH EFFORT ON BEARS AND MOUNTAIN LION, IF THEY LEFT DNA WITHIN THE, THE BITE WOUNDS OF THE VICTIM, THEN WE CAN MATCH THAT TO THE ANIMALS THAT WE END UP LETHALLY REMOVING ON THOSE INCIDENTS.
UM, WE DID NOT LETHALLY REMOVE THESE HALINA, AND SO WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT WE REMOVED THE OFFENDING HALINA, BUT BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AND OUR OBSERVATIONS, UM, BOTH BEFORE AND DURING THE REMOVAL, THESE HALINA THAT WE REMOVED WERE VERY LOCALIZED TO THAT AREA.
AND, UM, WE ACTUALLY, ON ONE OF OUR TRAPS, WE PUT A CAMERA UP.
UM, AS SOON AS WE SET THE TRAP, WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO BAIT THE TRAP FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE, ALMOST MAYBE UP TO A WEEK BEFORE WE CLOSED THE DOORS ON THE TRAP AND ACTUALLY COULD START TRAPPING THEM.
AND THE HEAVILY THAT WE OBSERVED ON THOSE LIVE ACTION TRAIL CAMERAS CONTAINED, UH, DIDN'T HAVE ANY YOUNG, WHAT WE CALL RED, VERY SMALL, THE LITTLE FOOTBALL SIZED HEAVILY THAT YOU SEE, WE CALL 'EM REDS.
UM, WITH, UM, THE HERD THAT WE SAW COMING TO THOSE TRAPS IN THE AREA, UM, WE ACTUALLY SET THE TRAPS ON BOTH.
WE GOT PERMISSION FROM BOTH PROPERTIES, FROM BOTH VICTIMS TO SET THE TRAPS ON THOSE SAME PLACES WHERE THEY WERE BITTEN.
WE DIDN'T OBSERVE ANY OF THOSE YOUNG REDS OVER SEVEN DAYS OF CAMERA.
AND IN OUR CAPTURE OPERATIONS, THE HERD THAT WE CAPTURED DID NOT HAVE ANY REDS WITH IT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD INDICATOR THAT WE GOT THE RIGHT HERD, THE OFFENDING HERD.
AND THEY SEEMED TO BE VERY, UH, LOCALIZED THERE.
IN FACT, SOME OF OUR, UM, OUR BIOLOGISTS AND OUR OFFICERS THAT WERE TRYING TO, TRYING TO REMOVE THESE HEAVILY, THEY, THEY VENTURED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH AND THEY RAN INTO, ENCOUNTERED A HERD THAT DID HAVE SOME REDS.
AND WE BACKED OFF OF THAT HERD AND DID NOT CAPTURE THAT HERD.
IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENT HERD BASED ON THE, ON THE AGE AND SEX RATIOS OF THAT HERD.
I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT YOUR ANSWER LEADS ME TO ANOTHER ONE THAT I HADN'T ANTICIPATED.
SO I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WHEN THIS WAS ALL SORT OF HAPPENING HERE, THE HALINA REMOVAL, AND IT HAPPENED FROM WHERE I SIT KIND OF SUDDENLY, WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M GETTING CALLS, I'M GETTING EMAILS, AND I'M SEEING STUFF BLOWING UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THIS HAPPENED.
BUT YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU HAD BEEN SETTING TRAPS FOR SEVERAL DAYS PRIOR TO CAPTURING THE ANIMALS, BUT THE WAY THAT A LOT OF IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED, THERE WAS A SUDDEN PRESENCE OF YOUR OFFICE IN WITH THE DARK GUNS AND THE TRANQUILIZERS.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T JIVE WITH WHAT I HEARD, SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO ABSOLUTELY.
THIS OUT, THAT'S EASILY EXPLAINED AWAY.
UM, SHOWING UP ONCE AND DROPPING TWO TRAPS AND SETTING THE CAMERAS ON 'EM, THAT'S OUR, OUR VISIBILITY IS, IS THERE FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES AT EACH SITE.
ONCE, ONCE THOSE ANIMALS WERE USED TO COME TO THOSE TRAPS, THEN WE BROUGHT IN TWO OR THREE VEHICLES.
AND A MAN OR A WOMAN WALKING WITH A RIFLE DOWN THE STREET IS A LOT MORE VISIBLE THAN A, AGAIN, FISH TRUCK DROPPING A TRAP FOR 15 MINUTES.
AND SO ONCE WE STARTED THE TRAPPING OPERATION, WE HAD TWO TO THREE GIM FISH VEHICLES WITH TWO TO THREE PERSONNEL THAT WERE THERE ALL DAY LONG.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHY IT DIDN'T LOOK VISIBLE, EVEN THOUGH THE TRAPS WERE SET AND INVADING AND THERE WAS A CAMERA THAT WAS FEEDING LIVE TO US TO SHOW US WHAT IF THE HALENE WERE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO THE TRAP, THERE WAS NO NEED FOR US TO BE PRESENT, UM, WHILE IT WAS HALENE WERE BEING BAITED OR THE TRAPS WERE BEING BAITED AND NOT SET YET.
AND YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD NOTICED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON WHICH THE TRAPS WERE SET, BUT AGAIN, PART OF I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE EXPERIENCED OR I EXPERIENCED, YOU KNOW, HEARING FROM CONSTITUENTS AND MY FIRST KNOWLEDGE
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OF THIS OPERATION, UM, WAS WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING.AND SO WAS THERE, NO, WHAT IS YOUR PROTOCOL IN TERMS OF NOTIFICATION TO MUNICIPALITIES THAT YOU WILL BE COMING IN, YOU WILL BE COMING IN WITH DARK GUNS? UH, THIS, JUST TO FRAME THAT QUESTION FOR YOU IS OF CONCERN TO ME BECAUSE I, I THANK GOD NOBODY DECIDED TO GET IN YOUR WAY AND TO DEFEND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WILDLIFE THEY WANTED TO DEFEND, THEN THANK GOD THERE WERE NO UNINTENDED INJURIES, UH, TO PEOPLE, UH, AS WELL IN THIS, WHICH I THINK IF THERE WAS NOTIFICATION TO MUNICIPALITIES MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE AVOIDED.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS IS YOUR PROTOCOL FOR THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
NO, OUR PROTOCOL IS TO NOTIFY GENERALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, FIRST AND UM, SOMETIMES WE GO SO FAR TO NOTIFY CITY STAFF, UH, LEADERSHIP.
AND IN THAT CASE WE DID AS ABOUT A WEEK IN ADVANCE.
AND JUST TO CONFIRM THAT AS WELL, THEY, THEY DID NOTIFY US.
SO, UM, WE WERE NOTIFIED OF THE SITUATION AND THAT THEY WOULD BE IN TOWN AND NEEDING TO REMOVE HALINA AND YOU WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY WOULD BE USING TRANQUILIZER GUNS.
IT DIDN'T GO INTO A LOT OF SPECIFICS OUTSIDE OF THEY WOULD BE REMOVING THEM.
SO THE DETAILS OF HOW THEY REMOVE THEM, UM, WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE GOT INTO IT.
UH, I, I WON'T DENY SHOWING UP AND REMOVING JAVELINA IS A VERY, CAN BE A VERY CONTENTIOUS, UH, COMMUNITY EVENT.
AND SO, UM, ESPECIALLY WE'RE, WE'RE MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH A RIFLE.
CAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN.
BUT OUR OFFICERS ARE REALLY WELL TRAINED TO BE COMMUNITY DRIVEN.
THEY'LL STOP WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING AND TRY TO STOP AND TALK TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS LONG AS THEY CAN TRY TO LET THEM KNOW.
AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN COMMENTS.
BUT IT IS A REAL CONCERN FOR ME OF WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH A RIFLE AND WITHOUT THERE BEING NOTIFICATION TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THE MUNICIPALITY.
CUZ IT DOES COME BACK TO THE MUNICIPALITY IN THE END AS WELL, WHAT'S THIS PERSON DOING WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH A GUN? NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS.
NOT EVERYBODY REACTS THE SAME WAY.
PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, STIMULUS THAT THEY REACT TO.
IT'S, IT'S, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A CONCERN THAT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT.
BUT LET ME GO ON WITH MY QUESTIONS PLEASE.
UM, YOU SA STATED BEFORE THAT YOU WERE SEEKING THAT YOU HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY SEEKING STATEWIDE ORDINANCE, BUT THAT IT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL TO DATE.
ARE YOU STILL SEEKING A STATEWIDE ORDINANCE VERSUS MUNICIPALITY BY MUNICIPALITY? UM, WE'VE, WE'VE EVALUATED THAT, UM, ALMOST YEARLY, ALMOST ANNUALLY.
AND, UM, THE LEGISLATIVE CLIMATE HAS NOT BEEN CONDUCIVE TO THAT IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
SO BASICALLY YOU FIND THAT, THAT LOCAL COMMUNITIES, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE MORE RECEPTIVE YES.
AND WHY IS THE STATE NOT RECEPTIVE, DO YOU THINK? UM, JUST THE, THE ADDITIONAL REGULATION, UM, WAS NOT, UM, ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS OR TRADITIONAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES OR REGULATIONS WAS NOT ACCEPTED BY, UM, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION.
AND I THINK IT'S, SOME OF IT TOO IS KIND OF THE RURAL VERSUS URBAN DISCUSSION AS WELL.
A LOT OF THE RURAL COMMUNITIES AND THE RURAL COUNTIES DIDN'T WANT A STATEWIDE, UM, IN PLACE A STATEWIDE BAN IN PLACE.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ONLY GOT THE THREE, THE, THE COUNTY, THE LIMITATION OF 280,000.
UM, THAT WAS A PRETTY CLEAR LINE THAT, UM, THAT SEPARATED RURAL FROM URBAN AND, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM RURAL COUNTIES.
AND A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR COMMENT BEFORE ABOUT REMOVING THE, THE ATTRACTANTS, AND AGAIN, THERE'S A PROPERTY RIGHTS QUESTION THAT I HAVE HERE BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY HAS A GATED PATIO BUT HAS FOOD OUT FOR ANIMALS THAT COULD ACCESS INTO A PRIVATE AREA THAT MIGHT BE IMPOSING REGULATION ON SOMEBODY IN TERMS OF THEIR PRIVATE SPACE, UH, I UNDERSTAND IT'S HARD WHERE THERE AREN'T FENCES, BUT, UM, BUT IN A CASE WHERE THERE IS, HOW WOULD THAT, HOW WOULD YOU RECONCILE THAT WITH A PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT ISSUE VERSUS A TRYING TO THE REMOVAL ATTRACTANTS.
AND WITH THAT, AGAIN, WITH THE ATTRACTS, HOW FAR DOES THAT GO? BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S PUTTING OUT, YOU KNOW, FOOD SPECIFIC VERSUS SOMEBODY WHO HAS A WATER ELEMENT SUCH AS A FOUNTAIN, A DECORATIVE POND, SOMETHING WITH COY, SOMETHING WITH, YOU KNOW, TO IRRIGATE, I MEAN ALL OF THESE, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHERE'S IT'S A SLOPE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND SOME OF THIS EXCELLENT QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND, UM, WITHOUT PERMISSION, UM, WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY.
UM, LIKE WITH THE TRAPS, UM, WITH THE TRAPS THAT WE SENT, UM, IF THOSE LANDOWNERS
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OR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS SAID NO, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SHUT THOSE TRAPS.UM, AND SO WE RESPECT THAT, UH, VERY EXTRE, UH, TO A VERY HIGH DEGREE.
AND AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE WATER FEATURES, UM, IT'S, I CAN'T RECALL A TIME IN MY 22 YEARS OF, CAUSE I, WHEN I LIVED IN THE VALLEY, WE DEALT WITH THE STATEWIDE, I CAN'T REMEMBER A TIME WHEN IT WAS SOMEBODY TURNED ANOTHER PERSON IN FOR HAVING A WATER FEATURE.
WE ARE CLEARLY LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THROWING FOOD, PLACING DOG FOOD OUT, UM, THOSE THINGS WE DON'T EVEN RESPOND TO.
AND IN THE ORDINANCES, THE LIST OF ORDINANCES THAT YOU HAD THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES, UM, HOW DID THAT DEAL WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY? IF SOMEONE IS FEEDING OR HAS AN ATTRACTANT ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY, DOES THE MUNICIPAL ORDINANCE SUPERSEDE THEIR ABILITY TO DO THAT? NO.
UM, I, I CAN GIVE YOU A FEW EXAMPLES.
MAYBE IF I PAINT A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF HOW WHAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST, UM, ON FEEDING, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN EASY, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO THINK ALL THE WAY THROUGH, EVEN TO THE LEVEL OF PROSECUTION ON THESE, THE WATER FEATURE THING THAT WOULD NOT BE PROSECUTABLE, RIGHT? UM, THAT THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH REASONABLE DOUBT AND EVEN EVEN ATTEMPTING TO GO THERE, WE MAY STOP AND VISIT WITH 'EM.
SAY, HEY, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH YOU'RE WATER FEATURES ATTRACTING WILDLIFE, UM, AND IT, IS IT PLACED FOR YOUR PURPOSE OR IS IT PLACED FOR WILDLIFE? AND IF THEY SAY FOR WILDLIFE'S, LIKE, WELL, WE'D APPRECIATE IF YOU REMOVE IT.
UM, BUT WE'D NEVER GET SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTION THROUGH THAT, I DON'T THINK THROUGH ANY COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR EVEN MUNICIPAL COURT.
UM, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUALLY DIRECT PLACEMENT OF FOOD, GENERALLY WHAT IT REQUIRES, AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE A PROTOCOL IN PLACE THAT WE MAKE A SITE VISIT.
AND IF THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY ALONE OWNER ALLOWS US ONTO THE PROPERTY TO GO IN THE BACK AND LOOK AT IT, UM, THEN THAT HELPS.
BUT GENERALLY IT COMES FROM NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE VIDEOTAPE OR OTHER, SOME KIND OF PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF SOMEBODY PLACING FOOD REPEATEDLY BEFORE WE TAKE ANY KIND OF ACTION BEYOND THE WRITTEN WARNING.
AND THEN I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KURT.
UH, YOU READ BEFORE THE, THE LAW THAT WE HAVE THAT HAS THE FOUR DAYS ON IT.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WHEN GIK, UH, WAS, UM, MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT BEAR FEEDING, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO LARGER WILDLIFE, SUCH AS BEAR OR DEER OR ELK, OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU MENTIONED, DOES THAT, THAT PERTAINS EQUALLY TO SMALL ANIMALS AND LARGE ANIMALS? YEAH.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A DEFINITION HERE.
IT SAYS, SO ALL WILD ANIMAL, AND THEN THE DEFINITION OF ANIMAL IS EVERY NON-HUMAN SPECIES OF ANIMAL, BOTH DOMESTIC AND WILD.
SO IT ENCOMPASSES BOTH DOMESTIC AND WILD.
SO THE NEIGHBOR'S CAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO, UM, YES, IF IT WAS OUTSIDE, I SUPPOSE, LET'S SEE IF IT'S A BACK TO 2080.
SORRY, I'M SCROLLING BACK AND FORTH.
SO THE DOMESTIC ANIMAL WOULDN'T IN THAT CASE.
SO IT'S, AS FAR AS KEEPING WILD ANIMALS, IT WOULD EXCLUDE DOMESTIC ANIMALS, BUT IT COULD BE A FAIR, IT WOULD BE, YEAH, I SUPPOSE, RIGHT.
HOW WOULD'VE STERILE CAT BE COUNTED THERE? YEAH.
IT WOULDN'T BE A DOMESTIC ANIMAL, I SUPPOSE.
UH, BUT YEAH, IT WOULD, IN ANIMAL, IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY INCLUDE BEARS.
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER TO SIZE SUBS FROM SQUIRRELS TO BEARS ANY, ANY OTHER ANIMAL.
I'LL, I'LL COME BACK WITH MORE LATER.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS FIRST ONE'S FOR YOU CHIEF, UH, KURT, BUT IF WE WERE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T FEED THE WILDLIFE, IS THERE ANY STATE, UH, RESTRICTION ON OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE THAT EXCLUSIVELY HERE WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT? OR DOES GAME AND FISH HAVE TO BE PULLED IN BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION OF A FEEDING ORDINANCE? NO, THAT AUTHORITY RESTS WITH THE CITY.
UH, MOST OF THE, UNDER YOUR JURISDICTION, UH, MOST OF THE ORDINANCES ARE WRITTEN TO SAY ANY, ANY PEACE OFFICER.
AND CAN YOU COMMENT ON, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, HOW EFFECTIVE IS A PUBLIC RELATIONS CAMPAIGN TO EDUCATE AND INFORM THE RESIDENTS THAT FEEDING WILDLIFE IS BAD? AND YEAH, I KNOW IT LIKE DARWIN SHOULD RULE ON THIS, RIGHT? BUT CAN YOU COMMENT ON HOW EFFECTIVE IS THAT VERSUS A, UH, ORDINANCE BEING ON THE BOOKS? DO, DO, DO, CAN YOU COMPARE THE TWO? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S A A VERY GOOD QUESTION THAT WE DON'T HAVE
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DATA TO ANSWER.UM, BUT I, WE CAN, I CAN SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE AND YOU KNOW, THE CARTOON I SHOWED THAT EXISTS EVEN AFTER A LOT OF EDUCATION, THERE'S A NATURAL PASSION FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF WILDLIFE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT.
UM, BUT THE FEEDING PORTION OF THAT IS WHAT WE WANNA DISCOURAGE.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE NATURALLY ATTRACTED TO WILDLIFE, LIKE, UM, BUT THERE IS, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT SPLITS THE COMMUNITY.
AND EVEN, EVEN ON SOME, SOME OF OUR LARGER, UM, A LARGER CAMPAIGNS TO, UM, TELL PEOPLE TO HAZE WILDLIFE OR MAKE 'EM AFRAID OF PEOPLE, IT GENERALLY IS NOT ENTIRELY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES A TOOL FOR THOSE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INTENTIONALLY FEEDING, AND THAT'S WHERE IT WORKS.
AND, UM, AND IT WORKS WELL, UM, BECAUSE THOSE THAT ARE NOT INTENTIONALLY FEEDING, THEY MAY BE DOING IT INADVERTENTLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW.
IT GIVES US A REASON TO SHOW UP ON THEIR DOOR AND GIVE 'EM SOME INFORMATIONAL MATERIAL, AND THEY, 95% OF THE TIME THEY STOP FEEDING.
I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A PARALLEL IN THE CITY WITH OUR DARK SKIES ORDINANCE AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, KIND OF PITTING NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR, UM, HOW WELL WE DO WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, NUDGING YOUR NEIGHBOR THAT HEY, YOUR LIGHTS ARE ON PAST 10, TIME TO TURN THEM OFF, VERSUS, I'M CALLING CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, TO DEAL WITH THAT.
SO, DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EVER GOES TO POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT, UH, DARK SKIES ENFORCEMENT, BUT, UH, JUST LOOKING FOR PARALLELS TO COMPARE TO HERE AND THINKING ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD PUT AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS.
ANYBODY WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT? YEAH.
BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, I'M STILL THINKING ABOUT THE, HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, SO I, I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS, UM, IT GOES IN WAVES, DEPENDING ON, UM, DARK SKIES EARLY ON.
WE OCCASIONALLY DEAL WITH 'EM AGAIN WHEN WE HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS OR OTHER THINGS WHERE NEIGHBORS FEEL THAT SOMEBODY'S NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR TIME LIMITS.
SO THOSE CAN COME IN BOTH THROUGH, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND OR US.
AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS JUST TRY AND GAIN COMPLIANCE, LIKE MANY THINGS WHERE WE, UM, LET SOMEBODY KNOW OF THE SITUATION AND SEE IF WE CAN GAIN THAT COMPLIANCE BEFORE ESCALATING IT TO BE ANYTHING MORE.
AND MOST TIMES WE ARE ABLE TO HEAD THAT OFF VERSUS ENFORCING THROUGH, UM, CITATIONS OR OTHER THINGS, UM, TO GET COMPLIANCE.
SO OUR FIRST WAY IS JUST TO ENGAGE OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S VISITORS OR PERMANENT, UM, TO COMPLY.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO GET THAT, UM, INFORMATION BECAUSE THE, THE DARK SKIES AND WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, UM, ROTATION OF PEOPLE THAT COME TO VISIT ISSUES CAN JUST ARISE AND, AND WE DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND WHY SOME COME UP AT CERTAIN TIMES VERSUS OTHERS.
AND CHIEF, WHILE YOU'RE AT THE PODIUM, CAN YOU COMMENT ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHETHER THIS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED VIA, YOU KNOW, PR EFFORTS VERSUS PUTTING AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS? WELL, I THINK IT'S HARD TO REACH OUT TO, UM, THE MAJORITY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND PART OF THAT ALSO IS BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY ROTATES WITH VISITORS CONSTANTLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW A CAMP CAMPAIGN THAT COULD DO THAT AS FREQUENTLY AS NEEDED.
UM, SO I, I THINK HAVING BOTH WOULD BE THE BEST THING THAT WE COULD DO IS EDUCATE OUR PERMANENT POPULATION THAT'S HERE, HAVE THINGS THAT ARE VISIBLE ON OUR WEBSITE TO GO READ, AND HAVING LITERATURE THAT'S PROVIDED TO US TO HAND OUT.
BUT ALSO I THINK HAVING AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS US, IF YOU HAVE AN OFFENDER THAT'S REPETITIVE IN NATURE OR JUST WILL NOT COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST, THEN, THEN THEY BOTH HELP.
SO I WOULD SAY IT SHOULD BE A DUAL TYPE OF, UM, APPROACH THAT WE, OR THAT WE DO.
CHIEF, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, DON'T GO TOO FAR.
AND I'M GONNA HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU TOO, CHIEF.
AND MAYBE BRIAN, YOU CAN CHIME IN TOO IF YOU WANT TO.
SO
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IF PEOPLE OBSERVE SOMETHING, AND IT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION THAT THEY CALL, UH, THE APPROPRIATE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
BUT IS, DO YOU FEEL AS IF THIS WOULD BE, WOULD YOU TAKE IT ON THAT IT WOULD BE BECOME PART OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT'S
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RESPONSIBILITY? SO EITHER CODE ENFORCEMENT OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT VERSUS CALLING IN GAME AND FISH.IF WE HAD AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS, COULD YOU ENFORCE IT? WOULD YOU ENFORCE IT? WOULD YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT? WELL, I THINK IF IT'S A CITY ORDINANCE, THEN WE ARE AGREEING TO ASSIST IN THAT.
IF WE HAD A CASE POSSIBLY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS BEING DISCUSSED HERE, WHERE YOU HAVE A LARGE HERD, THEN WE MIGHT CALL IN REINFORCEMENTS BECAUSE OUR RESOURCES MM-HMM.
IF THAT'S WHAT WAS DECIDED WAS THE BEST FORMAT, THEN WE WOULD WANT TO USE OUR PARTNERSHIPS TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, BE SUCCESSFUL IN WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AT THAT TIME.
SO I THINK AN ORDINANCE ALLOWS US AT A LOWER LEVEL TO DEAL WITH THEM BEFORE POSSIBLY THEY GET OUT OF HAND.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD ALWAYS WANT TO ACHIEVE, IS WHAT CAN WE DO AT THE LOWEST LEVEL BEFORE HAVING TO ESCALATE ANYTHING.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YEAH, THAT DOES ANSWER MY QUESTION.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, TIM.
WHAT ARE THE, WHAT COMMONLY, WHAT ARE THE PENALTIES? ARE THEY FINES? AND YOU TALKED ABOUT PROSECUTION BEFORE.
DID YOU LITERALLY MEAN A CRIMINAL OFFENSE? UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR BLUE, GENERALLY THEY'RE, UH, PETTY OFFENSES.
SO THEY STILL GO THROUGH PROSECUTION AS A PETTY OFFENSE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CRIMINAL.
AND THEN SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT WHEN, WHEN THE HALINA WHEN YOU CAME IN WAS, UH, PEOPLE, I'D SAY MEN WAS HOW WAS DESCRIBED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY FEMALES ON IN YOUR ENFORCEMENT DIVISION, BUT, UH, WITH RIFLES AND HANDGUNS WALKING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UH, SO THIS WAS NOT WITH PERMISSION.
THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND SEE SOMEBODY THERE WITH A GUN ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS.
AND HOW DO, I MEAN, DOES THAT PART OF THE, YOUR PROTOCOL TO DO THAT? GENERALLY WE TRY TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND, UM, TRY TO REACH THE HOMEOWNER BEFORE WE HAVE TO GO ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT THEY'RE DYNAMIC SITUATIONS.
WILDLIFE DON'T STAY WHERE YOU WANT 'EM TO STAY.
BUT GENERALLY OUR PROTOCOL IS KNOCK ON THE DOOR, ASK, THIS IS WHO WE ARE, THIS IS, WE ASK FOR PERMISSION TO BECOME ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, UM, THAT'S OUR GENERAL PROTOCOL, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
YOU THINK? NO, IT RARELY DOES.
CAN YOU CONTACT AN ENTIRE COMMITTEE WHILE THEY HAVE LAND RUNNING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS OR A BEARS RUNNING OVER, JUMPING OVER, UM, FENCES.
AND SO LIKE THAT GENERALLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO REACT THAT FAST, TO STOP AND TALK TO EVERYBODY.
WHAT DOES IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IS IT THE TIME TO ROUND UP THE HERD AND REMOVE THEM WAS THREE BITES WAS, WAS PART OF THAT OR ONE BITE? I MEAN, WHEN DO YOU MAKE THAT DEC, YOU KNOW, UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES DO YOU MAKE THAT DECISION? THAT'S OUR CATEGORY ONE WILDLIFE.
WHEN, WHEN AN ANIMAL HAS, UM, CAUSED HARM, UM, HAS INJURED A HUMAN THAT'S REMOVAL SO AUTOMATIC.
AND, UH, IS IT USUAL THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THEM TO A CONSERVATION AREA OR WHERE'D YOU KILL THEM? WE GENERALLY KILL 'EM.
UM, IT'S A POSSIBLE RABIES KILLER.
THE ONLY WAY TO TEST FOR RABIES IS THROUGH A BRAIN TISSUE.
SO MOST, MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE BITTEN WANT TO KNOW THE RESULTS OF THAT RABIES TEST.
AND YOU WOULD KILL THE ENTIRE HERD.
WHY DID YOU DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THIS INSTANCE? UM, WE TOOK A DIFFERENT APPROACH ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S SEDONA.
WE
AND, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
IF WE COULD FIND A WILLING PARTNER, AND WE DID SOUTHWEST WILDLIFE CONSERVATION CENTER, THEY'RE AWESOME.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THESE THINGS HAVE TO LIVE OUT THEIR CAP, THEIR LIFE IN CAPTIVITY.
THAT WAS THE SOLUTION THAT WE CAME UP WITH, AND WE WERE ALL HAPPY WITH THAT SOLUTION.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE REMAINING MEMBERS OF THE HERD THAT WEREN'T CAPTURED? UM, THEY'LL, THEY'LL ABSORB INTO, LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS, THERE WAS ANOTHER HERD WITH SOME REDS THAT WERE LITERALLY ABOUT A QUARTER TO A HALF MILE NORTH OF THIS ONE.
AND OTHER HEARD, I THINK THAT THERE'S LESSONS LEARNED FROM THIS EXPERIENCE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD A SITUATION LIKE THIS ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD RES HOW PROACTIVE WE SHOULD BE IN INFORMING THE COMMUNITY.
MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
IT, IT, AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE NINE TIMES OUTTA 10 IS RELATED TO FEEDING.
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TURN INTO A CATEGORY ONE ANIMAL, IT'S RELATED TO FEEDING.SO WE, WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT IF WE CAN HELP CURB THE FEEDING, IT'S GONNA BE LESS HANDS ON WILDLIFE FOR US.
AND YOU BELIEVE THAT THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS THROUGH AN ENACTMENT OF AN ORDINANCE IN THOSE PLACES THAT WE HAVE ORDINANCES, IT'S WORTH THE BEST.
YOU'LL STILL HAVE YOUR CHRONIC FEEDERS HERE AND THERE.
I JUST WANNA FOLLOW RIGHT UP ON THAT
HOW, HOW, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? THAT IN PLACES WHERE THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT WORKS THE BEST, HOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHERE, WHAT ARE THE METRICS ON THAT? OH YEAH, EXCELLENT QUESTION.
UM, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES.
IN COCONINO COUNTY, WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITIES ON THE RIM IN HAPPY JACK THAT WE WISH WE WOULD HA WE WOULD HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST CONSTANT, RELENTLESS CALLS ABOUT FEEDING, ABOUT, UM, HEAVILY ABOUT BEARERS, ABOUT ELK, ABOUT DEER IN PINE.
AND STRAWBERRY IS ANOTHER HOTSPOT.
CONSTANT CALLS ABOUT PEOPLE FEEDING IT.
WE HAVE NO TEETH TO TELL 'EM TO STOP.
UM, WE SHOW UP AND HE'S LIKE, CAN YOU PLEASE STOP FEEDING WILDLIFE? IT'S NOT GOOD FOR YOU.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE WILDLIFE.
UM, CAN YOU PLEASE STOP? IT DOESN'T WORK.
BUT AGAIN, WHERE IS THAT? DOESN'T REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WHERE IS THE COMPARISON TO SOMEPLACE? IT HAS AN ORDINANCE TO SHOW ME.
WE ARE VERY DATA DRIVEN IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO FROM, YOU KNOW, MICROT TRANSITS TO, YOU KNOW, HOUSING, TO WHATEVER.
WHERE'S, WHERE'S DATA? WHERE'S METRICS THAT WOULD SHOW IT'S SUCCESSFUL HERE? THERE'S AN OREN AN ORDINANCE, IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL HERE.
WHERE'S WHERE'S THE COMPARISON? WHERE'S SOMETHING THAT, AS I SAID, A METRIC THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE ANALYZED AND CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION? CUZ THIS IS ANECDOTAL, WHICH IS FINE, BUT WHERE'S WHERE'S SOME NUMBERS AND SOME SUBSTANTIATION? YEAH, I, I WOULD HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT.
I, I DID DIG INTO THE DATA FOR SEDONA SPECIFICALLY.
YOU SAW THE NUMBER OF HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTIONS MM-HMM.
THAT WAS ALL INTERACTIONS FROM CATEGORY ONE TO FOUR.
UH, WE GET CURRENTLY WE GET ONE TO TWO, ONE TO TWO CALLS PER YEAR OF PEOPLE FEEDING.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, OKAY, I, I SEE SOMEBODY FEEDING, I SHARE, I SEE A VISITOR, A TOURIST, OR I SEE MY NEIGHBOR FEEDING.
WE GO SHOW UP AND SAY, PLEASE DON'T FEED, UM, THOSE CALLS AGAIN, I EXPECT THOSE CALLS TO LIKE THE, LIKE THE DARK SKY ONE WHEN IF AN ORDINANCE WAS ENACTED, THAT WOULD GO UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'LL EVENTUALLY GO BACK TO DOWN TO ONE OR TWO.
AND IF THERE'S A CHRONIC FEEDER THAT IS ATTRACTING A HERD OF ALINA, IF THAT, IF THOSE ATTRACTANTS ARE, ARE, UM, REMOVED IN THAT THE PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY OR THE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ABLE TO, TO MAKE THESE WILD ANIMALS WILD AGAIN, THEN WE WON'T EVER HAVE TO STOP 'EM.
BUT, UM, THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE DON'T.
THAT WAS A VERY, THAT'S A VERY HARD METRIC TO MEASURE.
WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT DATA TO SAY THAT IN PIMA.
UM, WELL, YEAH, PIMA MARICOPA AND PINAL THAT BECAUSE OF THE STATEWIDE ORDINANCE, UM, WE'VE NOTICED A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN CALLS, UM, OR SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE WILDLIFE FEEDING.
WE JUST KNOW THAT NOW THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILDLIFE FEEDING, WE CAN HAVE A TOOL TO ASSIST THEM TO STOP FEEDING WILDLIFE.
BUT THOSE ARE ALSO LESS RURAL COMMUNITIES.
THOSE ARE MUCH DENSER POPULATED AREAS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.
THE ONES THAT ARE COVERED UNDER THE STATEWIDE ORDINANCE.
I CAN SAY I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF A REMOVAL OF PAVLINA AND PRESCOTT PRESCOTT'S HAD THEIR ORDINANCE FOR, UM, ON.
OKAY, PETE, UH, JUST 1, 2, 2 QUICK QUESTIONS.
I THINK THEY'RE QUICK QUESTIONS.
COULD YOU REMIND ME AGAIN, CATEGORY ONE ANIMAL, YOU SAID THAT IMMEDIATE PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT, IT'S ALREADY BITTEN SOMEBODY.
AND THEN IN YOUR EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE FROM IN THE AREAS THAT YOU'VE SERVED, THIS IS NOT AN UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE TO GO OUT THERE AND HAVE TO CALL THE ANIMALS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC AND YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS OR WHATEVER WITH GUNS OR TRANQUILIZER GUNS OR WHATEVER THEY MIGHT BE.
HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT EVER GONE SOUTH WHERE THERE'S BEEN SOME TYPE OF UNFORTUNATE CONFRONTATION WITH PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON? I WOULDN'T SAY REMOVALS ARE FREQUENT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CATEGORIES 'EM AS FREQUENT OR NOT.
THEY, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, UH, THIS IS THE SECOND ONE IN THE SEDONA IN FIVE YEARS.
UH, THE OTHER ONE HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THAT WAS WITH A CHRONIC FEEDER, UH, AROUND A CHRONIC FEEDER THAT STILL FEEDS TO THIS DAY.
UM, WEARS, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
HE WEARS, HE PUTS ON BASEBALL AS CATCHER'S GEARS TO GO FEED CUZ HE IS BEEN GETTING FOUR OR FIVE TIMES.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, SO WE, UM, THAT'S THE SECOND ONE IN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UM, IN THE, IN THE VALLEY, UH, IN THE GREATER PHOENIX AREA, UM, IT WOULD BE ABOUT ONE TO TWICE A YEAR THERE'D BE A REMOVAL OF A SINGLE COYOTE OR MAYBE A FEW HELINA FROM, HEARD THAT A BIT IN SOMEBODY.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL FREQUENCY FROM MY EXPERIENCE.
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ARE A DIFFERENT STORY.UM, IN THE, IN THE PINETOP AREA, UH, REMOVAL OF BEARS HAPPENS EVERY SUMMER.
I THINK LAST YEAR WE HANDLED 40 SOMETHING BEARS.
UM, BUT SOME OF THOSE AREN'T, THOSE WEREN'T ALL CATEGORY ONES.
UH, BEARS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BASED ON THEIR BEHAVIOR.
UM, CATEGORY TWOS, WHICH ARE, UM, POTENTIAL PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT, WE HAVE TO REMOVE THOSE AS WELL.
SO, UM, AND WE DO GET OCCASIONALLY GET BEARS IN SEDONA.
BUT, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION, IT'S NOT VERY OFTEN.
AND UM, SECOND QUESTION WAS, UM, ON ANY OF OUR REMOVALS, HAS ANYTHING GONE WRONG OR RIGHT? UM, SURPRISE NEIGHBORS CONFRONTING YOU BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS THERE WITH THE GUNS? YEAH.
UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE EXPERIENCED IN SEDONA IS ABOUT NORMAL AND ON OUR OTHER REMOVALS, SOME NEIGHBORS, UH, WE GOT SEVERAL THANK YOU LETTERS.
I DUNNO IF THE COUNCIL SAW THEM, THEY CAME TO THE GAME FISH DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF THE ALENE AS WELL.
BUT WE GOT, WE GOT AT LEAST TWO THANK YOU LETTERS.
WE GOT SEVERAL PEOPLE STOPPED BY THAT, SAID, HEY, THANKS FOR, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S ABOUT TIME TO REMOVE THESE.
AND THEN WE GOT THE OTHERS THAT SAID, PLEASE STOP YOU GUYS.
AND THEN WE GOT THE COMPLAINTS AND ALL AS WELL.
SO, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT HAS SPLIT EVERY COMMUNITY I'VE EVER WORKED WITH WHERE SOME PEOPLE ARE THANKING US FOR REMOVING THESE ANIMALS.
CUZ THEY, THEY'RE SCARED OF 'EM.
THEY, THEY KNOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BITTEN.
SAY, YOU SHOULDN'T REMOVE 'EM, DON'T LAY YOUR HANDS ON 'EM.
IT SPLITS EVERY COMMUNITY I'VE EVER WORKED IN THE REMOVALS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REMOVALS HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ORDINANCE, BUT THE REMOVALS WILL CONTINUE.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING OUR POLICY.
IT'S, IT'S FOUNDED IN STRONG SCIENCE.
YOU HAVEN'T HAD, OR HAVE YOU HAD A VIOLENT CONFRONTATION WITH ANYONE SURPRISED, DISAGREED WITH YOUR ACTION? ARE YOU IN UNIFORM? YES, WE'RE FULLY UNIFORM, FULLY MARKED.
WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK THE QUESTION ARE ARE YOU DONE, PETE? YEP.
YOUR, YOUR OFFICERS, THEY'RE FULLY ON, THEY'RE IN UNIFORM, CLEARLY DISPLAYED WITH PATCHES, UNIFORMS, WHATEVER.
SO IT WOULD BE, UNLESS IT WAS NIGHTTIME, I THINK PEOPLE MAY BE HARD PRESSED TO NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
UH, THEY WOULD KNOW, THEY WOULD RECOGNIZE AS A POLICE OFFICER.
UM, BUT TO, TO THIS DAY, I, I MEAN WE, WE AND EVERY OTHER POLICE OFFICER GETS CONFUSED FOR WHAT AGENTS THEY WORK FOR.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY WALKING AROUND WITH A, A RIFLE YES.
WITH NO UNIFORM WALKING DOWN THE STREET.
AND PEOPLE GET CON BECAUSE I'M HEARING COMMENTS HERE AND I'VE COMMENTS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT ARMED PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH, WITH RIFLES, ARE THEY IN UNIFORMS? HOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, PEOPLE NORMALLY UNDERSTAND OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND THEY'RE IN UNIFORM AND THEY, THEY COULD BE YOU, THEY COULD BE THE, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ALL THE SAME.
SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LAW ENFORCEMENT, WELL NOT NOT JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WE HAVE BIOLOGISTS THAT HELP US WITH THIS, BUT THEY WERE, THEY WEAR A GAME OF PHISH RIGHT.
UH, WHICH I, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.
UH, THERE'S SOME CON THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED ABOUT, UH, AND I THINK THE VICE MAYOR TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S CONFUSION ABOUT YOUR OFFICES ONE GOING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT TWO, IF THEY GO THROUGH A FENCE AND THEY GO THROUGH A GATE ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AS IF YOU HAVE TO OPEN A GATE TO GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTIFIED THE OWNER, THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM.
THAT'S LIKE I SAID, I SAID GENERALLY WE TRY TO KNOCK ON THE DOORS AND RIGHT.
BUT DOES THAT HAPPEN WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO A, A FULLY FENCED YARD AND WITHOUT KNOCKING ON SOMEONE'S DOOR THAT, DOES THAT HAPPEN? I COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING.
UH, IF, IF A BEAR'S RUNNING THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE COULD, UH, I COULD.
SEE, UH, ONE OF OUR OFFICERS JUMPING THE FENCE, GOING THROUGH A GATE TO TRY TO CAPTURE THE BARREL WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE CUT.
BUT WE'RE TALKING MORE HALINA.
UH, IT, IT, IT MAY HAPPEN WITH A HALINA, BUT, UM, DEER MAY, BUT NOT HALINA.
UM, FOR THE FEEDING, CAN YOU WRITE A CITATION ON, UH, A NEIGHBOR COMPLAINT? OR DO YOU HAVE TO SEE THE VIOLATION AS, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINT DRIVEN? YEAH, COOL.
WE'D HAVE TO BUILD A, UH, SOME EVIDENCE.
IT CAN'T BE JUST ON A NEIGHBOR'S COMPLAINT.
WE'D HAVE TO BUILD OUR OWN EVIDENCE.
UH, A LOT OF THAT COMES FROM POSTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR, UM, A NEIGHBOR TAKING A PHOTOGRAPH OF SOMEBODY PLACING FOOD.
UM, THAT'S NOT FOR CATS OR DOGS, YOU KNOW, UM, THROWING SCRAPS OUT, UM, DUMPING, UH, WE HAVE ONE IN FLAGSTAFF THAT DUMPS FIVE GALLON BUCKETS OF PEANUTS OUT.
YOU KNOW, UM, AGAIN, WE, WE TAKE A VERY REASONABLE APPROACH TO THE, TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS CUZ WE KNOW THAT 95% OF THE TIME WE'RE GONNA GET COMPLIANCE JUST BY SHOWING UP AND TELLING 'EM, HEY, YOU GUYS WEAR THIS.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT HELPING WILDLIFE BY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
UM, IT'S THOSE, IT'S THOSE EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE SOMEBODY DOESN'T STOP AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE CHRONICALLY FEEDING WILDLIFE AND IT'S OBVIOUS THEY'RE
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FEEDING WILDLIFE.WE HAVE TO BUILD A CASE AND, AND, UM, CUZ WE CAN'T GO IN FRONT OF THE, THE LOCAL, THE CITY COURT OR THE COUNTY COURT AND PRESENT SOMETHING LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS OUR EVIDENCE.
SO JUST GOING BACK ONE STEP TO WHAT I WAS DISCUSSING, PRIVATE PROPERTY.
IF THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY CLEARLY MARKED, NO TRESPASSING, WOULD YOU, YOU WOULD YOUR OFFICERS OR AGENTS PROCEED ONTO THROUGH A GATE THAT HAD, THAT WAS CLEARLY MARKED, NO TRESPASSING, OR THAT YOU KNOCK ON THE DOOR? UH, MAYOR, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO ON THAT UNLESS THERE WAS AN EMINENT PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT.
UM, SOMETHING I THINK, UH, COUNSEL FOLTZ MENTIONED, OR, OR THE VICE MAYORS ON THIS SIDE, JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT, UH, OUR CITY OFFICERS, IF WE CREATE AN ORDINANCE, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN ENFORCE AS WELL AS YOUR OFFICER.
SO IT'S NOT, CUZ THERE'S SOME CONFUSION IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
THAT IF WE WERE TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE, OUR POLICE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENFORCE THAT.
IT, IT, IT DEPENDS ON, ON HOW THE, HOW THE CITY DETERMINE HOW THEY WRITE THE ORDINANCE.
BUT, UM, THE ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN, MOST OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS HAVE INVITED US TO BE A PARTNER IN THAT PROCESS.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY KIND OF ISSUE WITH ACTUAL A, A RESIDENT, A PERSON DISCHARGING A WEAPON AT A, A HALINA THAT'S CHARGING AT THEM? HAS THAT EVER EVEN HAPPEN, MARY? YES, THAT DOES HAPPEN.
AND WE HAVE STATE LAW THAT, UH, GUIDES OUR, GUIDES OUR ACTIONS IN A POLICY AND PROCEDURE THAT GUIDES US OUR ACTIONS IN THAT, UM, IT IS LAWFUL TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND SELF-DEFENSE OF WILDLIFE.
AND THEN, UH, CHIEF, THE QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU ARE ANIMAL CONTROL.
IF WE WERE TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE, IF WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT AT ALL, UH, DOES YOUR ANIMAL CONTROL, UH, OFFICER OR OFFICER, I, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ONE AND A HALF NOW.
ROCK IS LIKE TWO PEOPLE IN, IN AND OF HIMSELF, BUT IS HE TRAINED WITH A TRANQUILIZER? SHOULD SOMETHING NEED TO COME UP, YOU KNOW, ONE OFF, UH, ISSUE? SO HE'S GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF TRAINING, BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE A TRANQUILIZER GUN OR THAT ABILITY.
TYPICALLY IF HE COMES ACROSS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, PUT DOWN BECAUSE OF INJURY BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S, UM, RABIES OR SOME OTHER DISEASE, AND WE'D GO THROUGH OUR PROTOCOLS TO CALL ON CERTAIN ANIMALS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
THEN AN OFFICER WILL COME OVER AND ASSIST IN LETHALLY PUTTING THAT ANIMAL DOWN.
I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO TALK INTERNALLY ABOUT THAT LEVEL OF TRAINING OR, UH, GIVING HIM JUST ONE SECOND.
GIVING HIM, IS THERE ANY DESIRE FROM YOU? IS IT SOMETHING YOU NEED FROM US TO GIVE HIM THAT AUTHORITY? I'M NOT SURE IF WE WOULD GIVE THAT TO HIM OR KEEP IT HOW WE'D HAVE IT.
CURRENTLY, THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAINING THAT GOES INTO CARRYING A WEAPON AND, AND DOING THOSE THINGS.
SO THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT NOW HAS SEEMED TO WORK FOR US.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE INTERNALLY I WOULD LOOK AT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AN AUTHORITY THAT SPECIFICALLY THE COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO GIVE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING YOU THE TOOL THAT YOU NEED.
UH, MY LAST QUESTION, UH, FOR YOU TIM, I THINK, UH, COUNCILOR FOLKS TO TOUCH ON THIS ALSO.
THERE, THERE'S SOMEBODY ON THIS SIDE.
IT'S NOT SOMEBODY ON THIS SIDE.
THIS ONE I KNOW HE ASKED BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT UP AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA.
DO YOU HAVE A VIDEO OF TRAINING THAT WE COULD, I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME REALLY HIGHLY TRAINED PEOPLE HERE AT THE CITY NOW THAT ARE GREAT AT DOING SOCIAL MEDIA AND GETTING, UH, INFORMATION OUT.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE SUCH A VIDEO, WE COULD GIVE IT TO, UH, OUR STAFF TO POST ON NEXTDOOR OR POST ON, UH, FACEBOOK, HEY, DON'T FEED THE WILDLIFE.
AND JUST A, EVEN IF IT'S LIKE A MINUTE OF A TRAINING PIECE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE THAT WE, BECAUSE EDUCATION, I GET IT.
I'M, I'M, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL, BUT I'D LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT TO PEOPLE.
SO MAYOR JALO, WE, I DON'T, I CAN'T RECALL WHETHER WE HAVE A SPECIFIC VIDEO THAT WOULD ADDRESS FEEDING WILDLIFE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UM, PROVIDE, UM, OUR STANCE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
LIKE, LIKE JUST RECENTLY, I'LL GIVE YOU THE MUN PARK EXAMPLE ON THE, ON THE MOUNTAIN LINES.
WE, WE DO HAVE, WE DO OCCASIONALLY POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, WE, WE JUST POST THE FACTS AND THEN, AND THEN WE WATCH THE FIREWORKS, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MUN PARK RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE DEFINITELY WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND POSTING, YOU KNOW, OUR MATERIALS ANYWHERE.
UM, WELL IF YOU CAN GET IT TO, UM, JOANNE, AND MAYBE WE, YOU KNOW, HER STAFF COULD DO SOMETHING WITH IT THAT'S UP TO HER TO DO
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WHATEVER.UH, BUT IT COULDN'T HURT AND IF IT KEEP SOMEBODY FROM GETTING BIT OR GET A CITATION FOR SURE.
YEAH, LIKE A, LIKE A LOT OF THIS PRESENTATION TALKED ABOUT IS A LONG-TERM SOLUTION AS A COMMUNITY DRIVEN ONE.
AND THEN COUNSELOR DUN, I DID HEAR YOU, UH, CLEAR YOUR VOICE, UH, CLEAR YOUR THROAT.
SO I, I, I APOLOGIZE IF I FORGOT ABOUT YOU, BUT I DIDN'T.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ASK? IT'S OKAY.
I, I DO ACTUALLY, UM, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE TO WHOM I SHOULD ADDRESS THIS, BUT HOW ENFORCEABLE IS AN OR AN ORDINANCE IF WE ARE LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO ARE USING AN STR R.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A HERD THAT STARTS TO BECOME A CLIMATIZED, BUT IT'S THROUGH T R VISITORS AND IT'S JUST, OR IT'S ALWAYS A ONE-OFF.
SO HOW DO WE EN ENFORCE AN ORDINANCE AROUND NOT FEEDING WHEN IT'S ALWAYS A DIFFERENT PERSON WHO'S THERE? I'LL TRY TO ADDRESS IT.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION FOR SURE.
UM, THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, UM, AS FAR AS OUR, WHAT WE CALL CHRONIC FEEDERS, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT DON'T COMPLY WITH THE ORIGINAL WARNING.
UM, AND I I, I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT IF WE SHOWED UP WITH AN S T R TEMPORARY RESIDENT, THEY WOULD COMPLY PRETTY QUICKLY, UM, WITH SOME EDUCATION.
BUT, UM, I, I DON'T SEE A CHRONIC LONG-TERM FEEDER BEING AT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNLESS THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR SOME REASON, THE OWNER WAS ENCOURAGING IT.
UM, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM.
UM, IF IT WAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UM, VISITOR THAT WAS THERE FOR A WEEK AND ARE REPEATEDLY DOING IT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUILD A CASE, UH, WITH THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT THESE, FROM EXPERIENCE, THESE WILDLIFE FEEDING, UM, THINGS, AGAIN, WE SHOW UP ONCE WITH A, WITH, WITH A WRITTEN WARNING, SOME EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL, AND, UH, IT WORKS.
SO, UM, EVEN IF IT WAS A WEEK, A PERSON WOULD'VE TO STAY THERE A LOT LONGER FOR IT TO TURN INTO A ACTUAL VIOLATION.
I THINK JUST TO ADD, IF WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE, I THINK WE WOULD HANDLE IT IN A SIMILAR WAY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIREWORKS ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE OWNER OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL EDUCATES THE RENTERS, UM, ON THE ORDINANCES.
SO I THINK IT WOULD GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE EDUCATION, THE EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL AND GETTING THAT TO THE STR OWNERS, BUT THEN WHO, WHO IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE? SO IF, IF I'M A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, INDIVIDUAL, AND I POST ON MY PERSONAL MEDIA ABOUT, OOH, LOOK, LOOK AT THESE COOL ANIMALS THAT COME WHEN I PUT OUT WHATEVER IT WAS I PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, RICE KRISPIES, UM, THE NEXT PERSON COMES IN AND THEY SAY, OH, I SAW IT AND THEY PUT OUT RICE KRISPIES AND THIS COOL ANIMAL SHOWED UP.
SO OVER TIME, THOSE COOL ANIMALS KEEP SHOWING UP, EXPECTING NOW TO GET SOMETHING AND HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE HOLD ANYONE ACCOUNTABLE? YES, I, I HAD MATERIAL IN MY SHORT-TERM RENTALS SAID, DON'T FEED THE LOCAL ANIMALS, BUT I CAN'T STOP MY SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEOPLE FROM DOING IT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE ONLY HERE FOR A LONG WEEKEND.
SO, UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND, UH, COUNSELOR DONE THE, THE, THE PERSON WHO WOULD BE CITED, AND IT CAN BE AFTER JUST ONE FEEDING, DEPENDING ON HOW THE ORDINANCE WAS, WAS DRAFTED, UH, WOULD BE THE PERSON FEEDING IT.
SO IT, IT WOULD ONLY TAKE, UH, ONE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, OCCUPANT TO FEED SOMEONE RICE KRISPIES ONE TIME AND THEY GOT A CITATION FOR IT.
AND THEN THEY POST THAT ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA, OR WE POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND I THINK IT WOULD DISCOURAGE A LOT OF THEM.
UH, BUT THE OWNER WOULD ONLY EVER BE ABLE TO BE CITED IF THEY WERE SOMEHOW ALSO FEEDING OR ENCOURAGING, UM, UH, FEEDING OF WILDLIFE.
SO IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE PERSON WHO'S DOING THE FEEDING.
SO IN YOUR CASE, YES, IF YOU GOT A STRING OF ONE TIME, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL OCCUPANTS, UH, CONTINUING TO FEED AND WE CONTINUE TO CITE THEM, I GUESS IT COULD, COULD CONTINUE TO BE A PROBLEM.
BUT IN THAT CASE, IF THE ANIMALS CONTINUE TO COME AROUND, THEN THEY'D BE LOOKING FOR REMOVAL FROM ANIMAL, FROM GAME AND FISH.
BUT I DON'T SEE THAT NECESSARILY BEING, AS BEING AN UNLIKELY SCENARIO.
SO, UM, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, TIM.
UM, IN, ON YOUR SLIDE YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY CALLS THAT YOU GET FROM SEDONA, AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW WHEN AN ORDINANCE IS PUT IN PLACE, YOU WOULD SEE THE NUMBERS GO UP, BUT THEN THEY WOULD GO BACK DOWN.
SO I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THAT BECAUSE IF AN ORDINANCE IS EFFECTIVE, WOULDN'T THOSE NUMBERS GO WAY DOWN, NOT
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JUST SORT OF GO BACK TO NORMAL? UH, EXCELLENT QUESTION, MAYOR.UM, COUNSELOR DUNN, UM, THIS IS JUST BASED ON EXPERIENCE OF WHEN A NEW ORDINANCE OR LAW IS ENACTED.
UM, YOU, YOU GET THAT INITIAL EFFECT OF, OH, NOW IT'S UNLAWFUL.
SO NOW I CAN DO, I, I CAN CALL SOMEBODY IN OR I CAN TURN SOMEBODY IN.
UM, THOSE MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, VALIDATED COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE INVESTIGATE 'EM, UM, THAT A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE NOT, UM, IT WAS JUST A CHANCE TO
SO IT'LL, IT'LL SETTLE BACK DOWN TO THAT ONE OR TWO CALLS PER YEAR.
I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT IN THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT A, UM, UH, FEEDING WILDLIFE IS A, IS DEFINITELY A, A PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES AND THE THREAT TO THE WILDLIFE.
BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS A LOT IN ANY COMMUNITY THAT WE, UM, UH, THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH OR THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO GO VISIT.
ONE LAST QUESTION IF YOU WANT TO GO IF TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
AND I'D LIKE TO GET TWO THE AUDIENCE, SO GO AHEAD.
UM, I'D LIKE TO HA CLARIFY WITH THE CHIEF SOMETHING.
THIS IS IN TERMS OF ACTUAL OPERATIONS, I WAS A LITTLE, WHEN, WHEN YOU FIRST SPOKE, I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY THAT YEAH.
SHOULD AN ORDINANCE BE PASSED, IT WOULD BE FIRST DEALT WITH BY YOUR, BY THE POLICE, BY YOUR STAFF.
BUT SHOULD IT BECOME, UM, OF AN ISSUE WHERE CAPTURE OR ANYTHING ELSE IS NECESSARY, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD CALL, LIKELY CALL IN YOUR PARTNERS AT FISH AND GAME THAT YOU'RE NOT INTENDING TO, TO GEAR UP TO DO THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE CABOODLE.
AND THEN I WAS CONFUSED BY, BY THE MAYOR'S QUESTION ABOUT TRAINING SOMEONE, I ACTUALLY HAD POLICE SHOOT A BOBCAT IN MY YARD, SO I KNOW THEY DO IT.
UM, YEAH, I THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, IT REQUIRES ACTION RIGHT THEN.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO NO, I UNDERSTAND.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING.
WHERE IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A CLEAR AND PRESENT, A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SOMETHING'S GONNA BE DONE.
AND YOUR DRUTHERS IS THAT YOU DON'T SET UP YOUR OWN LITTLE FISH AND GAME PEOPLE TO, TO TRANQUILIZE AND, AND REMOVE THESE ANIMALS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE STILL TO BE ABLE TO CALL IN THE EXPERTS.
BUT WE COULD, WE COULD THROW MONEY AT IT AND WE COULD MAKE YOU DO THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHERE YOU WERE COMING FROM AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DID.
THANK YOU VERY, YOU UNDERST MUCH UNDERSTOOD ME.
YOU SURE YOU WANNA GET SIT DOWN AGAIN? I DON'T.
SO YEAH, SO THIS WENT TO A POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE ABOUT THAT IF SOMEBODY'S IDENTIFIABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A UNIFORM THAT MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T BE AS CONCERNED WITH THE GUNS DRAWN COMMENT THAT I HAD MADE EARLIER.
AND SO MY QUESTION WAS, I STILL WOULD BE CONCERNED NO MATTER WHO IT IS WITH THE GUNS DRAWN BECAUSE IT'S NOT HABIT.
IS THAT CORRECT? CHIEF? OUR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT USUALLY WALK AROUND WITH A RIFLE IN HAND OR LONG GUN OF SOME SORT.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE GUNS DRAWN.
IS GUNS DRAWN? I DON'T CARE WHO'S WEARING THE UNIFORM, BUT COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT PLEASE? WELL, I WOULD TELL YOU PROBABLY MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF, WE DO HAVE OUR GUNS DRAWN.
UM, THERE ARE PROTOCOLS FOR HOW WE HANDLE MANY DIS DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THAT, UM, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED HOW MANY TIMES WE EITHER HAVE OUR RIFLE OR HANDGUN OR LESS LETHAL SHOTGUN OR UM, 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHER OUT AS HAVING THE RIGHT TOOLS DEPENDING ON A SITUATION BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE BEHIND WHAT MIGHT BE NEEDED IN A SPLIT SECOND DECISION.
SO THERE ARE MANY TIMES WE HAVE THOSE TOOLS OUT.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD HAS TO DO WITH YOUR, THE USE OF THE TERM BEFORE ABOUT A REASONABLE APPROACH THAT YOU SAID, BUT THAT'S SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE.
THAT COULD CHANGE BASED ON THE ADMINISTRATION IF YOU'RE NOT THE PERSON SETTING POLICY AND THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE.
REASONABLE APPROACH IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CODIFIED IN ANY WAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, GOOD POINT.
MAYOR, UM, COUNSELOR CAN, UM, YEAH, BY REASONABLE APPROACH IS A VERY COMMUNITY
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DRIVEN APPROACH, IS WHAT I MEANT TO CLARIFY, OR I SHOULD HAVE SAID IS BY COMMUNITY, BUT IT COULD CHANGE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE AGENCY.IS THAT CORRECT? UH, WHAT IS A REASONABLE APPROACH IN TERMS OF NO, WE'RE NOT, NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THIS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN A REASONABLE APPROACH.
WE WILL ENFORCE THAT, BUT DEPENDING ON, ON WHO'S SETTING POLICY COMING DOWN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY CHANGEABLE.
I GUESS I WAS REFERRING TO THE CULTURE OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT APPROACH.
UM, WE ARE OFTEN CALLED THE SOFT HANDED APPROACH COMPARED TO OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.
UM, WE DON'T MAKE A LOT OF ARRESTS.
WE WRITE, WE DON'T WRITE A LOT OF TICKETS.
WE, WE TAKE AN EXTRA STEP BACK ON ANY KIND OF LAW ENFORCEMENT APPROACH THAT WE DO WITH OUR, WITH OUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
UM, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON, AGAIN FOR, FOR US TO BE CALLED THE SOFT HANDED AGENCY.
SO, UM, WE'RE VERY COMMUNITY DRIVEN, CONSCIOUS OF THAT.
ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR OFFICERS HAVE FOUR YEAR DEGREES.
UM, THEY'RE, THE AMOUNT OF PROFESSIONALISM, UM, IS ARGUABLY HIGHER THAN OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF, UM, THE AMOUNT OF SCHOOLING, THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING, UM, NOT ONLY DO WE GO THROUGH THE, THE, THE REGULAR POLICE ACADEMY THAT ALL OTHER AGENCIES GO TO, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE, WE, WE TAKE, WE TAKE OUR OFFICERS AND TAKE
UM, THAT HAS TO, THAT HAS TO APPROACH LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM A COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT.
WE'RE GENERALLY A COMPLIANCE AGENCY.
WE'RE CHECKING FOR COMPLIANCE.
OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT WE NORMALLY DEAL WITH ARE LOOKING FORWARD FOR TO SEE US.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A GAME WAR IN A LONG TIME.
SO WE TAKE THAT SAME APPROACH WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH A WILDLIFE INCIDENT AS WE DO WITH, YOU KNOW, A HUNTER IN A CAMP.
UH, MOST HUNTERS ARE HAPPY TO SEE US.
MOST OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES SHOW UP.
PEOPLE AREN'T INITIALLY HAPPY TO SEE 'EM, UM, DEPENDING ON THE SCENARIO, BUT NINE, A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME PEOPLE ARE HAPPY TO SEE US CUZ OF, OF THE RELATIONSHIP WE BUILT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT, UM, THAT WE, UM, OF, OF OUR KIND OF UNIQUE NICHE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO WE, WE HAVE THAT SAME CULTURE WHEN WE GO INTO A, A WILDLIFE INCIDENT LIKE THIS AS WHEN WE HAVE A TIME WE KNOCK ON THE DOOR, IT'S LIKE, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS WHO I AM, THIS IS WHY I'M HERE.
UH, WE'D LIKE PERMISSION, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SET A TRAP HERE.
WE'D LIKE PERMISSION TO GO ON YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, IF THAT TIME ALLOWS, DOES THAT HELP EXPLAIN OUR, OUR CULTURE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT A LITTLE BIT? I, UH, YES, BUT AS I SAID, WE HAVE SOME REPORTS DIFFERENTLY ABOUT NON-PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, PERMISSION HAVING DONE THAT DOOR KNOCKING.
THAT'S, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER CUZ I DUNNO IF WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS AND IF YOU WANNA GET TO THE PUBLIC AND I DON'T DENY IT.
DUG INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT TOO.
SO, UM, SO LET ME, UH, END WITH THE QUESTIONS AND GO TO THE PUBLIC, UH, JEN FK, UH, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE DRILL THREE MINUTES.
YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND AREA OF THAT WHERE YOU LIVE, AND UM, THANK YOU.
JOE, ARE YOU SET? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
MY NAME IS JEN FARNSWORTH AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
UM, I HAVE E EMAILED EACH OF YOU MY CONCERNS, UH, AROUND THIS ORDINANCE.
AND I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR THOUGHTFULLY TAKING THE TIME TO, UM, READ MY CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS.
I ALSO WANNA DO A SHOUT OUT TO, UM, OUR LOCAL GAME WARDEN LEE, THE DECKER.
UM, AS HE IS SOMETHING OF A LOCAL LEGEND HERE, HAVING SERVED OUR REGION, AS YOU SAID, FOR DECADES, AND MANY RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF SOME EXTRAORDINARY FEATS OF COMPASSION AND DEDICATION, OFFICER LED DECKER HAS SHOWN TOWARD OUR WILDLIFE.
BUT I BELIEVE HIS PRECIOUS TIME IS BETTER SPENT HELPING INJURED WILDLIFE OR PROTECTING WILDLIFE FROM SUCH CLA CRIMES AS NIGHT POACHING, WHICH HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAN CHASING DOWN RESIDENTS WHO DON'T PICK UP FALLEN APPLES OR BIRD SEEDS OR INTERROGATING RESIDENTS WHOSE DISGRUNTLED NEIGHBORS ARE CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE THE ONES FEEDING HALINA OR COYOTE.
BUT I WANNA THANK COUNCILMAN FOLTZ FOR ASKING THE QUESTIONS YOU DID.
I WAS TOTALLY UNAWARE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE FOR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES TO BE THE ONES TO ENFORCE A FEEDING ORDINANCE.
SO I WOULD GUESS THAT WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD BE ISSUING THE CITATIONS AND DOING THE FOLLOW UP.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNCIL IF YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES WHO ARE DOING THIS JUST LOCALLY AND HOW THAT'S WORKING.
UM, AND I, OF COURSE I'M AN ANIMAL LOVER AND I THINK WE HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARY DIVERSITY OF WILDLIFE HERE.
SO I'M HOPING WE CAN FIND AN EXTRAORDINARY SOLUTION THAT REALLY DOES TREAT THE ROOT CAUSE AND NOT THE SYMPTOM.
AND I WANNA RECOMMEND ONE OF MY
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FAVORITE HAVE ALINA RESOURCES.IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS, THIS IS DON'T CALL ME PIG A HAVE ALINA STORY.
IT'S A WONDERFUL BOOK FOR BOTH CHILDREN AND ADULTS AND IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR EVERY SHORT TERM RENT RENTAL, UM, TO HAVE HERE IN SEDONA.
ARE THERE ANYBODY, ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? UH, OTHERWISE WE'LL CLOSE THE, THE PUBLIC FORUM AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.
AND, UH, WHY DON'T WE HAVE COMMENTS? UH, I, I THOUGHT I WOULD YOU BEFORE START WITH ME OR YOU CAN JUST START WITH, I'M GONNA START WITH, BECAUSE I STARTED WITH YOU BEFORE.
SO BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD OR DISCUSS? SURE, MAYOR.
SO, UH, JEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR NOTE THAT, UH, YOU DID SEND AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY I TOOK IT TO HEART AND THAT WAS A BASIS OF SOME OF MY QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
UM, AND UH, CHIEF FOLEY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.
I FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR OPINION IN THIS MATTER OF, HEY, LOOK, IT, IT'S REALLY A TWO-PRONGED APPROACH THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.
ONE IN WHICH WE ARE GOING ABOUT, UH, A PR EFFORT ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
AT LEAST THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION OF, UH, WHAT, UH, PART ONE WOULD BE OF THAT TWO-PRONGED APPROACH.
UH, SO THAT WE'RE CONTINUALLY WORKING ON TRYING TO EDUCATE AND INFORM SO THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME A CASE OF, UH, PRONG NUMBER TWO CITATION VIA AN ORDINANCE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT HAVING AN ORDINANCE AVAILABLE IS A GOOD THING.
AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, YOU KNOW, STATED BY, UM, VICE MAYOR PLU AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, BY, UH, JEN, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE SITUATION WHERE IT'S PERCEIVED THAT YOU'RE RATTING OUT YOUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, THAT I THINK IS PREDICATED ON THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, CORDIAL WITH ONE ANOTHER AND KIND.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT REALLY ARE NOT, AND THOUGH SOME OF THOSE HABITUAL, UH, PROBLEM FEEDING, UH, RESIDENTS, BE IT HERE OR ELSEWHERE ARE I THINK ARE GOING TO HAVE A VERY NASTY ATTITUDE TOWARDS THEIR NEIGHBOR TELLING THEM THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE VIOLATING AN ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
OR NOT EVEN STARTING WITH THAT, BUT JUST THAT, HEY, THIS IS NOT HEALTHY FOR THE ANIMAL.
YOU'RE PUTTING THE ANIMAL AT RISK.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S, I I WOULDN'T WANT TO COUNT ON YOU GETTING A FAVORABLE RESPONSE TO THAT EFFORT THAT YOU'RE MAKING.
AND I WOULD WANT YOU TO HAVE THE PROTECTION, FRANKLY, OF THE, UH, SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT BEING AVAILABLE TO GO AND, AND CONFRONT A SITUATION WHERE THE, THE RESIDENT IS NOT INTERESTED IN HEARING.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT REASON, I LIKE THE TWO-PRONGED APPROACH.
UH, I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH IN MY HEAD ABOUT WHETHER I SUPPORT AN ORDINANCE OR NOT, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE GO IN THIS DIRECTION, I THINK I'M LEANING TOWARDS THAT IS, UM, THAT WE CAREFULLY CRAFT IT.
I DON'T WANT ANY CRIMINAL PENALTIES EVER, EVER, EVER HAS TO BE CIVIL AND, AND ONE THAT WHERE WE START WITH A WARNING AND THEN, AND EVEN THE FINE, I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO HIGH.
I THINK IT'S THE, IT'S THE TOOL THAT WAS PERSUASIVE FOR ME THAT TIM, THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AND, AND CHIEF THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
IT'S A, SO THAT YOU CAN, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK TO, TO SOMEONE ABOUT AND SAY IT IS ILLEGAL.
I, I I THINK WE SHOULD DO A LOT OF SIGNAGE ALL OVER TOWN IF WE GO THIS DIRECTION AND, AND AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A PROBLEM IT REALLY IS.
I MEAN, I WAS SURPRISED THAT THERE WERE THREE BITES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MEANS IT'S A GROWING ISSUE OR IT'S AN ANOMALY.
UH, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE REASONABLE EXCEPTIONS, YOU KNOW, CUZ I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE GUILTY OF INFRACTIONS FOR FEEDING A CATALINA.
YEAH, NO, FOR FOR COMMON SENSE KINDS OF THINGS.
OR YOU KNOW, SO I KNOW KURT, YOU SAID YOU HAD LOOKED AT PRESCOTT AND YOU HAD LOOKED AT FLAGSTAFF.
AND MAYBE WE CAN LOOK, MAYBE TIM, YOU CAN HELP US TO IDENTIFY THOSE, UH, LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT YOU THINK ARE MOST EFFECTIVE.
AND THEN WE COULD LOOK AT MAKING SURE WE CAREFULLY CRAFT SOMETHING.
AND, AND I WOULD WANNA HAVE, AND WE WILL, CUZ WE, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY OPINE ON, ON THIS ORDINANCE.
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I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, TIM, ABOUT DIVI DIVIDING THE COMMUNITY.OUR COMMUNIS ALREADY VERY DIVIDED, SO I WANNA DO SOMETHING ELSE TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIVIDED.
AND, UH, AND I COULD SEE THAT THAT COULD BE AN OUTCOME.
THAT WOULDN'T BE A POSITIVE ONE.
UH, BEFORE I GO ON TO THE SIDE, I DON'T WANNA FORGET, UH, COUNSELOR DUNN.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? UH, MELISSA? UM, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UM, I, I HOPE I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH VICE MAYOR PLEADE.
I THINK THAT THIS HAS TO BE CAREFULLY WORDED.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF S STR R UM, VISITORS.
UH, I THINK THAT WE'RE, UH, A UNIQUE COMMUNITY FROM SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE FLAGSTAFF AND WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THIS.
UM, WE DON'T WANNA DIVIDE THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE ALSO WANNA PROTECT OUR WILDLIFE, UH, AND OUR VISITORS.
UH, ARE YOU DONE? I DIDN'T COUNCIL DUN.
SO I'M TRYING TO TALK AROUND MYSELF BASICALLY.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF TOO EARLY.
UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA, THANK YOU.
FIRST, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION AND THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP REAL DIALOGUE BEFORE THIS COUNCIL GOES ANY FURTHER IN LOOKING AT, UM, POTENTIAL ORDINANCES BECAUSE WE NEEDED THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION OR WE WOULD BE IN A VACUUM.
SO IT'S GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU, YOUR AGENCY PERSPECTIVE HISTORY.
IT'S GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE, THE PUBLIC.
I'D LIKE MORE PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS MATTER.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY ON THE RECORD HOW I APPRECIATE SENSITIVITY OF YOUR AGENCY AS WELL, AND ESPECIALLY IN RECOGNIZING THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN, COULD HAVE GONE ANOTHER WAY IN SEDONA AS WELL, AND THAT YOU DID LOCATE, UM, MAYBE THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS BY RELOCATING THIS HERD AS OPPOSED TO DISPATCHING THEM, WHICH I KNOW WOULD BE COMMONPLACE.
AND IF THERE WERE GOING TO BE ORDINANCES THAT CALLED FOR DEALING WITH IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO REALIZE AS A PART OF THAT THE DISPATCH WOULD BECOME A PART OF THAT, A GROWING PART OF THAT AS WELL, IF SOMETHING IS BEING, UM, PUT IN, UH, PUT IN PLACE.
BUT ANYWAY, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SENSITIVITY REGARDING SPECIFICALLY AN ORDINANCE.
CUZ I KNOW WE'RE NOT ACTING ON SOMETHING TONIGHT.
WE WERE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION.
I THINK KURT, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION ABOUT WHERE THIS MAY GO.
FOR ME, THIS IS, THIS IS A BIG ISSUE.
UM, ANYTHING THAT CAME FORWARD NEEDS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO PROTECT OUR WILDLIFE, WHICH IS A BIG PART OF OUR COMMUNITY OVERALL.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE AMBIANCE AND REALITY OF SEDONA AND LIVING IN A RURAL AREA.
IT'S, IT'S AS MUCH A PART, THE FACT THAT WE ARE RURAL AND HAVE ANIMALS AROUND IS AS MUCH A PART OF HAVING RED ROCKS AROUND.
IT'S PART OF OUR IDENTITY HERE.
SO ANYTHING HAS TO ACHIEVE BOTH THINGS EQUALLY.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, I CONCURRED WITH A LOT OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, VICE MAYOR PLU SAID, BUT WE WOULD NEED A NUMBER OF EXCEPTIONS.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SMALLER ANIMALS AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WELL AND WHAT PEOPLE MAY WANNA DO THERE.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THINGS LIKE FENCING WOULD FACTOR INTO AN ORDINANCE.
IS THAT PART OF SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING OR MANDATING? UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE DIFFERENT ISSUES.
I WOULD WANT CLEAR DEFINITIONS IN ANYTHING THAT CAME FORWARD.
DEFINITIONS OF FEEDING, OF HARBORING OF SHELTER, OF ATTRACTANTS.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK SOMETHING ELSE TO BE CONSIDERED WOULD BE CATEGORIES.
CATEGORIES OF VIOLATIONS, CATEGORIES OF ANIMALS THAT MIGHT FALL IN.
I DO THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FERAL CAT AND, AND A COYOTE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST THE ANIMALS.
I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE REALISTIC DIFFERENCES THERE THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS BROUGHT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE DON'T COME WITH SOMETHING THAT'S WIDE AND SWEEPING AND HAS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
SO AGAIN, I KNOW I WOULDN'T BE READY TO PROCEED WITHOUT REALLY A LOT MORE PUBLIC INPUT, A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO COME FORWARD, LOOK AT IT ONCE AND MOVE TO AN ACTION.
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SOMETHING THAT I WOULD REALLY WANT A VERY DELIBERATE APPROACH, APPROACH ON.UH, I'M CONVINCED AFTER HEARING ALL, UH, COUNCIL COMMENTS TONIGHT THAT OUR STAFF CAN COME UP WITH SOME AGILE ENOUGH LANGUAGE FOR US TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING.
UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT REALLY IS THE HUMAN ENFORCEMENT ELEMENT.
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN MAKING A SCIENCE PROJECT OF IT.
PEOPLE DO THE RIGHT THINGS WHEN THEY'RE IN POSITION TO ENFORCE THESE LAWS, AND WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE ETHICS AND RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT FOLKS.
SO, BUT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF US TAKING A LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE.
COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF ORDINANCES IN PLACE AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US CAN SIT UP HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT ENFORCE THEM IN A REASONABLE MANNER.
I, I, I MEAN, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME SPECIFICITY, BUT I, I REALLY THINK THAT
AND I EXPECT THIS ONE WOULD BE TWO, I WOULD NOT SEE ANY REASON.
THIS HAS TO BE A 45 PAGE DOCUMENT OUTLINING EVERY SINGLE CONTINGENCY THAT COULD POSSIBLY COME UP.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE HAVE ORDINANCES AND THEY'RE REASONABLY ENFORCED.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY A PUBLIC, A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE.
THIS, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER IT'S A CAT OR COYOTE, IT'S ABOUT FOOD ATTRACTING LINAS AND COYOTES.
IT'S NOT REALLY AGAINST FERAL CATS OR AGAINST ANYTHING.
IT'S SAYING THE FOOD IS A PROBLEM.
HOW, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF FOOD ATTRACTING ANIMALS NOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A FENCE AND I PUT MY CAT THE FOOD BEHIND THE FENCE AND IS THAT OKAY OR ISN'T IT OKAY? YOU KNOW, I THINK TO A LARGE EXTENT THAT IS AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, BUT CAN'T BE SPELLED OUT IN GREAT DETAIL.
YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT AS PITTING NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR IS REALLY, IT'S KIND OF A, JUST KIND OF NOT REALLY WHAT THIS IS DOING.
WHAT THIS IS DOING IS PROTECTING A PERSON AGAINST BAD ACTIONS BY THEIR NEIGHBOR.
ACTIONS THAT PUT NOT ONLY THEMSELVES AT RISK, THE ANIMALS AT RISK, BUT THE PETS IN THE AREA AT RISK.
IT'S, IT'S NOT PITTING NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR.
IT'S ALLOWING A RESIDENT SOME RECOURSE FOR THEMSELVES BEING PUT IN DANGER BY AN IRRESPONSIBLE NEIGHBOR.
IT'S JUST LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE MAKING SPECIES CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE MAKING SPECIES FEEDING COMPLAINTS THAT JUST GOES WITH THE TERRITORY.
YOU KNOW, IT AS, AS A CONSTABLE PU SAID, IT'S A TOOL.
IT'S NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT PERFECT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE EVERYTHING CUT AND DRIED AND NAILED DOWN AND STAPLED TO THE WALL.
AND SO CLEAR THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S NO COMMON SENSE INVOLVED.
THE MORE YOU TRY AND PIN IT DOWN, THE MORE ELUSIVE AND SORT OF SILLY AN ORDINANCE CAN BECOME.
SO I, I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS ORDINANCE.
I THINK IT PROTECTS PEOPLE AND I THINK IT PROTECTS THE WILDLIFE.
UM, I DON'T THINK, IT JUST SAYS DON'T FEED, DON'T FEED.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE ORDINANCE THAT IT'S GOING TO SPLIT THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S SPLIT OUR COUNCIL, IT'S GONNA SPLIT, IT'S GONNA SPLIT THE COMMUNITY.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO, AND WE SHOULDN'T TRY AND PREVENT THAT NATURAL COURSE OF EVENTS FROM HAPPENING BY MAKING A 45 PAGE ORDINANCE THAT PUTS EVERYTHING, THAT COVERS EVERY POSSIBLE THING ANYBODY COULD EVER THINK ABOUT.
CUZ IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA BE SPLIT.
IT'S JUST WHAT THE, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT, THAT PEOPLE FEEL PASSIONATELY ABOUT.
SOME PEOPLE WANNA FEED EVERYTHING AND I'M SURE THEY ALWAYS WILL.
I'M GLAD THAT THAT, UH, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO ENFORCE IT AND WHEN IT'S NECESSARY TO DO MORE
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THAN JUST ENFORCE IT AND HAVE NICE TALKS WITH PEOPLE.YOUR FRIENDS ARE THERE, TIM, I'LL, BEFORE I UH, SPEAK, I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
I KNOW YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON SAID I DID.
AND, UH, COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON.
AND I DID NOTICE ANOTHER COUNSELOR TOO MENTIONED THIS ABOUT THE SPLIT IN THE COMMUNITY.
OUR REMOVALS IS WHAT SPLITS COMMUNITY.
THE ORDINANCE ITSELF RARELY SPLITS COMMUNITIES.
OH, THANK YOU FOR, DOES THAT HELP CLARIFYING THAT? IT DOES.
THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT SPLIT A COMMUNITY.
IT'S WHEN WE HAVE TO COME IN, WE DON'T LIKE TO DO THE REMOVALS, BUT THE RE THE FEEDING AND THE ORDINANCE IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ORDINANCE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE REMOVAL.
UM, THIS IDEA OF NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR HAPPENS EVERY DAY IN EVERY CITY.
WE HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR MAKING COMPLAINTS, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, OR, UH, UH, NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR DOGS OFF LEASH.
DARK SKY IS SOMEONE HAS A LIGHTS BLARING.
WE, WE SEE IN OUR, UH, POLICE BLOTTER, UH, REPORTS TWICE A DAY.
OCCASIONALLY WE'LL SEE NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR.
IF ONE NEIGHBOR DOESN'T RESPECT THE OTHER NEIGHBOR'S, UH, PEACE AND TRANQUILITY A ANOTHER NEIGHBOR'S GONNA COMPLAIN.
THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE HERE.
I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, AND I IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE SO THAT IF A NEIGHBOR GOES AGAINST ANOTHER NEIGHBOR, THAT THE, THE NEIGHBOR WHO'S COMPLAINING HAS THE BACKBONE OF THE CITY OF AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THEM.
OTHERWISE, THEY'RE JUST BLOWING SMOKE.
THERE'S NOTHING, WHY, WHY HAVE, WHY EVEN, UH, SAY ANYTHING TO THEM AT ALL WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING TO BACK IT UP WITH.
UH, I AM PERFECTLY FINE WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR POLICE CHIEF, UH, CRAFTING, UH, AN ORDINANCE AS A, UM, A STARTING POINT AS FAR AS BRINGING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.
WE DON'T TAKE EVERY SINGLE ORDINANCE AND MICROMANAGE IT DOWN TO THE NTH DEGREE.
I, I, I, WE JUST DON'T PUBLIC COMMENT.
OF COURSE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT TO HAVE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, I DON'T, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME ANYWAY.
AND WE HAVE A POLICY WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH, OF HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WE NORMALLY HAVE A MEETING ABOUT IT, A WORK SESSION AND, AND A MEETING TO INVITE THE, THE PUBLIC.
WHAT'S INTERESTING TODAY, THIS WAS ON OUR AGENDA, WE HAVE, UH, JEN FONZWORTH CAME OUT AND SPOKE, WHICH IS GREAT, SENT US EMAIL.
WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, TWO OTHER EMAILS IN OUR EMAIL BOX.
IS IT, SHOULD I DISREGARD THE WHOLE TOPIC BECAUSE ONLY JEN FK HERE IN THE, IN THE AUDITORIUM? NO, I TAKE HER COMMENTS TO HEART.
IF WE HAD 40 PEOPLE HERE, I WOULD TAKE IT ALL TO HEART.
UH, I TEND TO THINK THAT AS LONG AS RESIDENTS FEEL THAT, UH, WE ARE PROTECTING THE ANIMALS AND WE'RE PROTECTING THEM, AND I THINK THAT PROTECTING BY HAVING THE TWO-PRONGED APPROACH THAT COUNCIL FOLTZ DID MENTION, AND I WAS AGREEING WITH THE SAME THING, BUT SAME IDEA.
IT PROTECTS EVERYBODY, GIVES EVERYBODY WHAT THEY NEED.
AND, AND I THINK THE FISH AND GAME, TIM, I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU, YOUR STAFF HAS HAVE DONE.
I MEAN, I'VE HAD VERY PO I SHOULDN'T SAY LOVE I, BUT VERY POSITIVE EXCEPT FOR CARRYING OUT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TO HALINA WITH THIS.
BUT WE HAVE ISSUES WITH STAKES, REPTILES, UH, THINGS ALL IN THE CITY.
I'VE HAD GREAT RESPECT FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION AND WHAT YOU DO.
SO WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH TAKING THE POLICE OUT OF POLICE OUT OF THE ACADEMY.
SORRY, CHIEF, BUT, BUT I GET IT.
YOU HAVE A SOFTER ASIDE AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.
YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF THE ANIMALS.
SO I THINK THERE'S AN WOULD WOULD BE ENOUGH, UM, CHECKS AND BALANCES IN WHATEVER WE DO.
BUT, UH, AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE HERE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION, KURT, SO THAT WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE COMING BACK WITH SOME KIND OF A DRAFT ORDINANCE? UH, MAYOR AND COUNSELORS? IT WOULD BE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, SO.
I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN NEXT WEEK, BUT YEAH, PROBABLY NOT LIKELY.
UH, YEAH, MARCH MIGHT BE ROUGH, UH, GIVEN THE TIMELINES, BUT BY APRIL.
AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TIME FOR A WORK SESSION TO GO OVER IT AND, AND OR NOT.
I'LL TAKE DIRECTION ON COUNSEL FOR THAT.
AND THIS, I I KIND OF CONSIDER THIS WOULD BE THE, THE WORK SESSION.
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PARTICULAR MEETING WOULD BE FINE.IF IT DIDN'T MEET THE, THE NEEDS OF COUNCIL IN THEIR DIRECTION, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS COME BACK FOR A THIRD MEETING ON THE SAME TOPIC.
TALK AND YOU WILL HAVE COMPARISONS FROM OTHER CITIES IN THE REGION, WHAT THEY DO.
FLAGSTAFF AND PRESCOTT HAS HAVE, UH, HAVE ADOPTED ONES A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, UM, WHICH ARE, IS A GOOD START.
AND THEN THERE WAS ONE PROVIDED, UH, BY TIM FROM HELA COUNTY THAT JUST ADOPTED ONE RECENT, OR MOST RECENTLY.
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY.
TIM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.
I DID WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THE ROADS ARE NOT GOOD OUTSIDE, SO TIM, YOU'RE STUCK.
THEY'VE CLOSED I 17 AND 89 A, BUT OUTSIDE IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOOD.
SO I THINK GETTING OUT OF HERE SOON WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO A REALLY SLIPPERY AREA UP IN, NOT IN UPTOWN.
AND IT'S, IT'S BY THE WAY, IT'S DARK UP THERE.
WE HAVE DARK SKY LIGHTING, SO YOU CAN'T SEE TOO.
[8.d. Reports/discussion regarding Council assignments.]
REPORTS AND DISCUSSION ON, UH, COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.YEAH, THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, IS CREATED A NEW POSITION.
THERE WILL BE A, UH, A CLIENT MANAGEMENT POSITION FOR THE MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM.
SO I JUST DID WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS HAPPENING.
UH, AND THAT JOB HAS BEEN POSTED.
SO IF ANYBODY WANT, UH, IS INTERESTED IN KNOWING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT POSITION, THEY CAN GO ON THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER WEBSITE AND GET THAT INFORMATION.
I DID MY PART WITH THE LEGISLATION TODAY.
COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, ANYTHING FOR? NOPE.
HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING EITHER.
I ALREADY MADE MY STATEMENT ABOUT SISTER CITIES.
AND THEN, UM, COUNCILOR DUNN, IF I HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT THE AIRPORT, IF YOU DON'T ALREADY, BUT, UH, OTHERWISE GO HAVE AT IT.
I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE CITY FOR A WHILE, SO PLEASE.
I WAS CONTACTED BY THE AIRPORT, UH, MANAGER WITH SOME PLANS THAT HE HAS BEEN DISCUSSING WITH HIS BOARD ABOUT TECHNICALLY EXPANDING THE RUNWAY, BUT ACTUALLY SHORTENING THE RUNWAY AND ADDING SAFETY ZONES ON EITHER END OF THE RUNWAY, WHICH WOULD BE A HUGE, HUGE SAFETY MANEUVER TO DO.
IT'S SOMETHING I, IT'S VERY ACCUSTOMED BACK IN NEW YORK.
UH, IT'S A BIG PROCESS, BUT JUST TO SAY THAT, UH, THE AIRPORT MANAGER ADVISED ME THAT SHOULD WE GET ANY COMPLAINTS OF THAT, THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE SEEING ANYTHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT EXPANDING THE RUNWAYS, THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT.
AND CERTAINLY, I BELIEVE THEY'RE SHORTENING THE ACTUAL RUNWAY SECTION BY 150 FEET, BUT EXPANDING THE SAFETY ZONES WHERE SH IT, IT WOULD STOP A PLANE FROM GOING OFF THE EDGE.
SO, UH, THERE'LL BE MORE ON THAT.
I'M SURE COUNCIL DUNN WILL HAVE THAT ONCE SHE COMES BACK FROM HER WHIRLWIND TR TRIP.
DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? NO, I'M GOOD.
OTHER THAN YOU WANNA GET BACK OUTTA HERE.
UM, ANY FUTURE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY.
OTHER THAN THAT, THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED.