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[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER MARCH 15TH, 2023.PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE, A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, A FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO SAYS, ONE NATION, UNDERGROUND, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL OF YOUR LAST, ONE OF YOUR LAST
YOU WANNA TRY TO MAKE HER I'M ABOUT TO CRY.
COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON IS EXCUSED.
[3.a. AB 2922 Presentation/discussion and update from the Arizona Water Company regarding the local water distribution system, water availability and current and future planned water infrastructure projects ]
ITEM THREE.SPECIAL BUSINESS A IS, UH, AB 29 22.
UPDATE ON THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY REGARDING THE LOCAL WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, WATER AVAILABILITY, AND CURRENT AND FUTURE PLANNED WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION, UH, REGARDING IDEAS FOR FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. JOHN, SNICKERS.
ALL ME? HUH? IT'S ALL ON YOUR SHOULDERS.
WE'RE ON GOOD HANDS, I'M SURE.
AND, UH, CAL FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, UH, MY NAME IS JOHN SNICKERS.
I'M THE DIVISION MANAGER FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY.
AND, UH, I CAN'T SAY YEARS AGO, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PANDEMIC IN THE MIDDLE, UM, MEETINGS LIKE THIS WERE A LITTLE MORE COMMON.
UM, USUALLY THERE WAS A MILESTONE OR SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SPURRED US, BUT WE, SO JUST TO BE MORE INFORMATIONAL, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD TIME.
AND AFTER CERTAIN THINGS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY HERE LATELY, IT WAS A GOOD TIME TO, UM, GET TOGETHER AND YOU HAPPENED TO ME AND, AND LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT.
UM, SO WE PREPARED A, I I PREPARED A SHORT PRE PRESENTATION HERE, UH, TO, UM, KIND GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE WATER COMPANY, UM, LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT AND, AND WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO HERE AT SEDONA.
MAYOR, IF I MAY, HOW DO YOU WANNA RUN THIS MEETING? JOHN, LET'S LET, CAN WE SAY QUESTIONS TILL THE END? THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SIR, PLEASE, YOU'LL GET ME ALL OFF TRACK AND I'LL FORGET.
I THINK YOU'RE WELL QUALIFIED FOR THAT RUN ACROSS THE BOTTOM.
DO YOU WANNA READ THIS? VERY HIGH TECH? HAS ANYBODY SEE IN THIS TANK? YES.
OH, I WAS HOPING NOBODY HAD EVER SEEN IT.
WE DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO HIDE IT.
UM, JOHN, I'M SORRY, JUST TO INTERRUPT YOU, UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME UP.
UH, WE JUST RECEIVED A TEXT, UH, THAT WE, ANYONE WHO'S WATCHING, WHO'S IN THE BREWER ROAD AREA, UH, OR RESIDENTS, UH, THAT ARE NEXT TO OAK CREEK, UH, WE HAVE FLOODING BY UP TO 4:00 PM IS PROBABLE BE SET TO LEAVE AS WATER LEVELS ARE RISING.
SO IF ANYONE'S WATCHING THIS AND DON'T, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE, UH, NICKEL ALERT ON THEIR PHONE, JUST BE CAUTIOUS AND BE AWARE.
I WAS THERE FOR THE LAST ONE, SO THAT, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
UM, SO SOME INTRODUCTIONS I HAVE WITH ME HERE LOCALLY TODAY.
UM, ANDY HAAS, HE'S OUR VICE PRESIDENT OF ENGINEERING, UM, WORKS OUT OF OUR CORPORATE OFFICE.
AND ON VIRTUALLY ONLINE I HAVE TERRY SUE ROSSI.
SHE IS OUR VICE PRESIDENT OF WATER RESOURCES, AND SHE ALSO WORKS OUT OF OUR, OUT OF OUR PHOENIX OFFICE.
UM, MORE OF THE AGENDA, UH, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, UM, SOME SEDONA WATER SYSTEM FACTS, JUST SOME BRIEF STUFF, UH, CURRENT AND FUTURE PROJECTS
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AND WHERE WE STAND IN OUR, UM, HOW WE WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND, AND PROJECT WITH THE COMMUNITY.ARIZONA WATER COMPANY WAS INCORPORATED IN 1955, UH, UM, AND ANDY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT STARTED IN U IN THE YUMA AREA.
AND SINCE THEN, WE HAVE, UM, SYSTEMS IN SEVERAL AREAS OF THE STATE, UM, SCATTERED ALL AROUND THE STATE WITH THE VERDE VALLEY BEING ONE OF OUR DIVISIONS.
UH, THE, IN THE WHITE MOUNTAINS, WE HAVE PINETOP LAKESIDE IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE STATE, WE HAVE MIAMI AND SUPERIOR DOWN INTO APACHE JUNCTION, CASA GRANDE AND BISBY AND SUPERIOR, OR BIS AND SIERRA VISTA.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE SCATTERED OUT QUITE A BIT OVER THE STATE.
UM, CURRENTLY THE COMPANY SERVES OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SERVICE CONNECTIONS WITH 24 WATER SYSTEMS THAT ARE MIXED UP IN BETWEEN THOSE DIVISIONS.
I HAVE FOUR SYSTEMS IN THIS, IN THIS DIVISION, IN EIGHT COUNTIES.
OPERATIONS, UH, BEGAN IN SEDONA IN AUGUST OF 1962.
I JUST RECENTLY SAW THE PAPERWORK OF WORK AND DOING SOME, UM, MODEL WHEN WE'RE DOING THE MODELING FOR THE, THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE, FOR THE PURCHASE OF THAT PART OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, AND, AND AFTER THAT, PORTIONS OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM BEFORE ARIZONA WATER MOVED INTO TOWN, UM, WERE, UM, WERE, THEY WERE PURCHASED, PURCHASED AS TIME WENT ALONG.
THE VERDE VALLEY DIVISION IS THE DIVISION THAT I MANAGE.
I'VE BEEN WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY IN THIS DIVISION FOR 36 YEARS, AND I DID ALL, MY WHOLE CAREER HAS BEEN IN, IN THE VERDE VALLEY DIVISION.
UM, WE CURRENTLY SERVE IN OUR DIVISION 11, ABOUT 11,400 CUSTOMERS, SERVICE CONNECTIONS.
WE HAVE SYSTEMS IN PINEWOOD, MONS PARK, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS, SOUTH OF FLAGSTAFF.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM IN RIMROCK LAKE MONTEZUMA, WHICH IS A COUPLE THOUSAND SERVICE CONNECTIONS, A GOOD PART OF THE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK
UM, I WANNA CALL IT VALLEY VISTA.
THAT'S THE NAME OF OUR BIG PARK.
THE NAME OF OUR SYSTEM, BIG PARK, BIG PARK, BIG PARK'S, DIFFERENT
WELL, IT'S BIG PARK, BUT BIG PARK WATER IS OH, YES, YES.
SO IT'S NOT CONFUSING THERE IN SEDONA PROPER, OR WE HAVE ABOUT 6,200 CONNECTIONS THAT WE SERVE.
UH, SEDONA STARTED AS SEVERAL SMALLER SYSTEMS. AND IN LOOKING BACK THROUGH DOCUMENTS, YOU CAN SEE, AND I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE MOVIE INDUSTRY AND EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON TO SEDONA IN SEDONA OVER THE YEARS.
AND A LOT OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS POPPED UP IN AREA AREAS THAT WERE, UM, POPULAR FOR THE MOVIE LOCATIONS AND SETS OR NEAR THEM, UM, SEDONA WEST, WESTERN HILLS, UM, HARMONY, UM, THE OLDER PART OF KACHINA UPTOWN AND SEOLA HILLS, THE ORCHARDS.
AND WHEN ARIZONA WATER CAME TO CAME TO TOWN, SOME, A LOT OF THOSE SYSTEMS WERE SO SEPARATED EACH WITH THEIR OWN, WELL, THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN LITTLE AREA THAT THEY SERVED AS TIME WENT ON.
ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, UM, TIED THOSE TOGETHER, UM, CREATED THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO, TO BRING THOSE TO, TO MAKE THEM ALL INTO ONE BIG WATER SYSTEM.
SOME FACTS ABOUT ARIZONA WA I'M GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH NOW BETWEEN A SLIDE AND A MAP.
SO I, SO I THINK THE MAP COULD BE MORE VISUAL.
UM, THERE ARE NINE WELLS IN THE SEDONA SYSTEM WHEN THEY'RE ALL RUNNING AND EVERYTHING'S, UM, GOING ON EIGHT CYLINDERS.
WE HAVE THE CAPA WE CAN PUMP FIVE, 5.5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, APPROXIMATELY.
WHERE'S MY CURSOR? JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE THOSE WELLS ARE LOCATED.
WORKING FROM WEST TO EAST, WE HAVE RAINBOW WELL NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS LOCATED NEXT TO THE RELICS BUILDING, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER.
WE HAVE THE SEDONA, WELL NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS OUR SOUTHWEST CENTER, WELL, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND THIS, THIS COMPLEX HERE ON CARDINAL.
OVER IN THE HARMONY SUBDIVISION, WE HAVE OUR HARMONY FIVE AND 12 WELLS AT THE, IT'S OUR LARGEST WELL AND OUR SMALLEST, WELL, THERE'S TWO WELLS ON THAT PROPERTY, AND ONE OF THE OLDER WELLS IS THEIR WILLIAMS. WELL, WHICH IS OVER ON DOWN, UH, SUNSET
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DRIVE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AS YOU GO DOWN TOWARDS, UH, AAA.AND IT'S BACK UP OFF THE ROAD AT LITTLE WAYS THERE.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, WE HAVE OUR SEDONA NUMBER NINE, WELL DOWN BY THE CREEK, BY AURORA ROBLE.
AND WE HAVE OUR SEDONA WELL NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS BEHIND ARABELLA ON 1 79, UM, JUST AT THE FOOT OF OAK CREEK KNOWLES.
AND OUR SEDONA, WELL NUMBER 10, WHICH IS AT THE ROUNDABOUT, AT THE INTERSECTION OF BROKEN ARROW AND STATE ROUTE 1 79, TUCKED BACK IN THE TREES.
OKAY, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THESE LOCATIONS BEFORE, UM, IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
BUT WE HAVE SIX WATER STORAGE TANKS OF THE CAPACITY OF 3.2 MILLION GALLONS.
WE HAVE A TANK AT THE TOP OF DRY CREEK ROAD, WHICH IS THE FIRST TANK THAT I SHOWED YOU ON THAT FIRST SLIDE IS OUR RED CLIFF TANK, WHICH IS, UH, I FORGOT RED CLIFF'S ABOUT IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLON TANK, UH, TOP OF ANTE.
UM, WE HAVE OUR HALF MILLION GALLON HARMONY TANK NOT TOO FAR AS THE CROW FLIES OVER TO THE TOP OF SEDONA WEST.
WE HAVE ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLON TANK AT THE TOP OF MOUNTAIN SHADOWS.
AND RIGHT BEHIND THAT SUBDIVISION IN, UH, AT THE END OF SOLDIERS PASS, WE HAVE THE, UH, SHADOW ROCK TANK, 700,000 GALLONS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AREA A LOT.
ONE IS THE HALF MILLION GALLON JORDAN PARK STORAGE TANK, WHICH IS UP, UP AGAINST THE BACK OF THE ROCK, UH, UP AGAINST THE ROCKS HERE IN JORDAN PARK.
AND THE SEDONA TOWN TANK, WHICH IS THE ONE WE PUT THE CHRISTMAS TREE ON EVERY YEAR.
IT STICKS UP IN THE MIDDLE OF UPTOWN.
THERE IS A SMALL STORAGE TANK, IT'S SKY MOUNTAIN, BUT THAT TANK IS SPECIFICALLY USED AND MORE DIRECTLY USED FOR A BOOSTER PUMP STATION THAT PUMPS WATER UP TO THE HIGHER LEVELS OF, UH, THE SKY MOUNTAIN SUBDIVISION THERE.
NOW, NOW, SEDONA IS, UM, JUST BY LOOKING OUTSIDE, YOU CAN TELL THE, THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCES IN TOWN.
AND ALL THE TANKS ARE AT HIGHER ELEVATIONS THAN A LOT OF THE HOMES ARE AT LOWER ELEVATIONS AND THE SUBDIVISIONS AND, AND JUST WHERE PEOPLE LIVE OF.
AND WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF PRESSURE ZONE.
WE HAVE A HYDROMATIC PRESSURE ZONE THAT PUMPS THE WATER UP INTO THE SYSTEMS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLUE, THE BLUE INDICATES THE, THESE PRESSURE ZONES, AND THEY'RE ALL SIT, MOST OF 'EM ARE ALL SITUATED NEAR ONE OF THE STORAGE TANKS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE, THE HOMES IN AND AROUND THOSE STORAGE TANKS DON'T HAVE HIGH ENOUGH PRESSURE BASED ON JUST THE LEVEL OF THE TANK AT THAT LOCATION.
AND SO WE, WE, THERE'S BOOSTER STATIONS WITH HYDROMATIC TANKS THERE TO, UM, PUMP UP THE PRESSURE IN THE SYSTEM TO TO, TO PROVIDE PRESSURE TO THOSE HOMES AND, AND FIRE FLOW.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE REDIFF NORTH SLOPES IS A BOOSTER ZONE, HARMONY HIGH PARK, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE TOP PART OF WESTERN HILLS, SEDONA WEST, NEXT TO THAT TANK, THERE'S A BOOST, THERE'S A BOOSTER ZONE, AND THEN WE HAVE THE SA HILLS AREA AND MANZANITA HILLS IN UPTOWN.
AND DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, THE CHAPEL BOOSTER, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE JUST BY LOOKING AT A MAP, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD ELEVATION CHANGE BETWEEN THE TOP PART OF HARMONY OR, I MEAN, CHAPEL.
AND, UM, AND 1 79, THE OTHER BOOSTER ZONE.
UH, THE OTHER PRESSURE ZONES ARE, UM, REGULATED FOR HIGH PRESSURE, AND THEY'RE AT THE LOWER ELEVATIONS IN THE SYSTEM.
AND THEY'RE MO NOTED HERE ON GREEN, UM, DEER TRAIL, LOWER PART OF, UH, UH, UM, AAA DOWN, DOWN TO
AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE PLACES ALONG THE CREEK, A LOT OF SMALLER ZONES THAT ARE DOWN ALONG OAK CREEK THAT, UH, HAVE, UH, BACK AND BEYOND THAT HAVE REGULATOR STATIONS THAT, THAT REGULATE THE PRESSURE.
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ARSENIC REMOVAL FACILITIES.WE HAVE 14 OF THEM IN THE DIVISION.
UM, OUR ARSENIC LEVELS IN SEDONA, THE MAXIMUM CONTAMINANT LEVEL FOR ARSENIC IS 10 PARTS PER BILLION.
UM, IN 2006, UH, WHEN THE E P A, UH, MANDATED THAT, THAT, THAT BE THE, THE M C L, UH, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TO COMPLY, UM, IN THE STATE AND ARIZONA WATER COMPANY.
UH, AND, AND THE VERDE VALLEY DIVISION WAS ONE OF THE FIRST AREAS COMPLETELY COVERED WITH ARSENIC REMOVAL, ARSENIC TREATMENT IN, IN THE, IN THE COMPANY.
UM, THIS, THIS SITE RIGHT HERE IS AT OUR BROKEN AERO SITE, AND IT HAS, UH, TWO VESSELS.
IT, IT DOES A, A FULL FLOW TREATMENT AND, AND SAND AND SAND FILTERS, BECAUSE THAT WELL MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SAND, UM, ARSENIC LEVEL.
IT RUNS ABOUT 1210, BETWEEN 10 AND 12 IN SEDONA.
BUT WE DO HAVE SITES IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR DIVISION THAT ARE UP INTO THIRTIES.
SO IT, IT'S, UM, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED AT MOST OF, WE HAVE TWO, TWO WELLS THAT AREN'T TREATED.
ONE OF THEM IS OUR NUMBER TWO, WELL, AND, UM, THE EAST PART OF TOWN, AND OUR NUMBER NINE.
WELL, ALSO IN THE EAST PART OF TOWN, EL LONGO CREEK, THERE ARE 133 MILES OF WATER MAINS IN SEDONA, RANGING FROM SIZE FROM TWO INCH UP TO 16 INCH.
AND IN MATERIALS FROM GALLON ICE PIPE TO DUCT LINER PIPE, SOME, SOME PVCS, UH, LOTS OF, UH, CEMENT PIPE.
AND PRIMARILY THE REMAINDER OF THE SEDONA WATER SYSTEM IS GRAVITY.
UM, SO THAT THE WATER'S PUMPED INTO THE STORAGE TANKS, AND IT GRAVITY FEEDS ITSELF BACK INTO THE, INTO THE WATER SYSTEM.
SEDONA, HISTORIC WATER LEVELS FROM THE TOP DOWN.
THIS CHART DEPICTS FROM NINE, THE SPRING AND FALL OF 1995, AND THEN IT SKIPS TO 2018, WHICH WOULD BE THE REASON FOR THAT DIP.
UM, WHICH LOOKS LIKE A LOT, BUT IT REALLY, IT REALLY IS NOT MUCH OF A CHANGE.
UM, THERE'S THREE OF OUR WELLS THAT ARE ON HERE, THE TOP BEING THE SHALLOWEST AT 250 FEET DOWN TO 600 FEET.
THE RED LINE IS OUR SEDONA NUMBER TWO.
WELL, WHICH IS THE, WELL, THAT'S BEHIND ARABELLA.
THE BLUE LINE IS OUR SEDONA NUMBER SIX.
WELL, WHICH IS THE, WELL, THAT IS NEXT TO RELICS, UH, RAINBOWS INN.
AND WELL, NUMBER EIGHT IS SOUTHWEST CENTER.
THAT'S THE, WELL, THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND THIS COMPLEX HERE.
AND FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES, WE STAY PRETTY FLAT.
THE FLUCTUATIONS THAT YOU SEE, WE TAKE DRAWDOWNS TWICE A YEAR ON THOSE WELLS PUMPING LEVELS THAT, UM, UM, WE TAKE AN ECSTATIC, UM, A STATIC READS.
AND WE ALSO TAKE, WHICH MEANS THE WELL'S NOT BEING PUMPED AND ALSO DYNAMIC READS WHILE THE WELL IS PUMPING.
I WAS NOT, NOT SURPRISED, BUT THE, THE SMALLER AMOUNT THAT I SEE IS WHEN THESE WELLS DON'T DRAW DOWN THAT MUCH WHILE THEY'RE RUNNING.
THEY MAY LOWER A LITTLE, A FEW FEET OVER TIME, SEASONALLY WHEN WE DO OUR DRAW DOWNS, BUT WHEN WE TURN THEM ON IN THIS SYSTEM THERE, THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE THAN A FOOT OR TWO OR THREE CHANGE WHILE, WHILE THE PUMPS ARE RUNNING.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF WATER DOWN THERE.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD, UNLESS SOMETHING BREAKS, THEN ALL BETS ARE OFF.
THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE WAY UP AT THE TOP THERE.
BUT THIS CHART INDICATES OUR WATER USAGE IN SEDONA FROM 2018 TO 2022.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW I CAN MOVE THIS.
IT'S COVERING UP SOME NUMBERS HERE WITH, UM, IN, HERE WE GO.
SIT ON A WATER USAGE BY CATEGORY OF MILLIONS OF GALLONS, UM, WITH THE TOP BEING THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF BILLION GALLONS.
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I'M DONE.I GOT PETE OVER HERE WHO'S GOT A LITANY OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO, BUT, BUT BEFORE I GO TO, BEFORE WE GO TO PETE, UH, QUESTIONS, UH, KATHY, CAN YOU HEAR HEAR ME? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU.
I JUST, I FIGURED I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET YOU IN FIRST.
I, I WAS GONNA ASK IF YOU BOND.
YEAH, YOU GO LAST THE TOP, THE, THE TOP BEING A BILLION GALLONS AND, AND WORKING YOUR WAY DOWN, UH, INTO CATEGORIES FROM 2018 THROUGH 2022.
UM, WE STARTED AT THE TOP THERE, THE DARK BLUES, COMMERCIAL IRRIGATION, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, METERS AND SERVICES IN THE, IN THE TOWN THAT ARE DEDICATED FOR IRRIGATION.
UH, THE CITY HAS SEVERAL OF THOSE AROUND.
YOU CAN SEE 'EM RUNNING ACROSS THE ROAD IN THE MORNINGS WHEN YOU COME IN FROM COTTONWOOD HAS, SORRY, HAS A LITTLE JAB.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE, UH, THE MOTELS.
A LOT OF THOSE HAVE DEDICATED IRRIGATION.
SOME OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMPLEX IRRIGATION, BUT THEY'VE STAYED PRETTY STEADY DURING THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, THAT WOULD BE EVERY, EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT MULTI-FAMILY OR HOTEL.
SO, UH, RESTAURANTS AND, AND GROCERY STORES AND RETAIL SHOPS AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, THEY'RE, AGAIN, STARTING IN 2018 AND WORKING ACROSS THEIR, THEY'RE, IT, IT KIND OF GOES UP AND DOWN.
I THINK THIS FIVE YEAR WINDOW PROBABLY THERE IS SOME, UM, REFLECTION FROM THE PANDEMIC AND PEOPLE WORKING AT HOME AND PEOPLE NOT COMING TO TOWN AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, HOTELS, MOTELS, AND RV PARKS.
UM, NOT MUCH CHANGED IN 2021 AND 22, I THINK WE'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE, BUT CUZ PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK TO TOWN, MULTI-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, UH, APARTMENTS, CONDOMINIUMS, MASTER METERED SORT OF PLACES.
UM, SHADOW BROOKS, NOT MASTER METERED, BUT MASTER METERED, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY.
SO, SO THOSE AMOUNTS THAT ARE ARE INDICATIVE OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
THE BIGGEST CHANGE I SAW WAS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, IT WAS STAYING PRETTY EVEN UNTIL 20 AND 21.
AND I THINK THAT'S CUZ PEOPLE WERE STAYING HOME.
THEY WERE WORKING FROM HOME AND THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T GOING OUT AND GOING PLACES.
AND NOW IT'S LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE HEADED BACK DOWN TOWARDS THAT, TOWARDS THAT AREA.
SO THAT, THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BIG CHANGE IN USAGE.
BUT THE RED LINE INDICATES SOME CHANGE IN GROWTH.
UM, IT, IT'S LIKE 182 SINCE 2018, UH, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE VERY MUCH, BUT IF 10 OF THOSE WERE MOTELS OR BUSINESSES OR LARGE USERS, THAT COULD, THAT COULD, THAT COULD INDICATE A CHANGE IN, IN, IN THE USAGE ALSO, UM, FUTURE AND OR CURRENT AND FUTURE PROJECTS.
UNDERNEATH THE CORNER THERE, IT SAYS EAST SEDONA WATER STORAGE TANK.
I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE, UH, THAT PROJECT'S IN THE BIDDING PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY SCHEDULES TO PROVIDE YOU AT THIS TIME OTHER THAN WE ARE, UM, GETTING, GETTING THE NUMBERS AND THE PERMITS TOGETHER RELATED TO THAT PROJECT IS THE CHAPEL BOOSTER STATION.
THE CHAPEL BOOSTER STATION IS ALONG CHAPEL ROAD LEADING UP INTO THE HIGHER PART OF CHAPEL.
I MIGHT GO BACK TO THAT MAT UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE, OR WELL, I CAN MAKE SURE WHERE THAT'S AT.
WELL, YOU BETTER GET IT BACK QUICK.
RIGHT THERE WHERE IT SAYS CHAPEL BOOSTER PUMP STATION, THERE IS A LITTLE BOOSTER PUMP THAT RUNS PRETTY MUCH 24 7 THAT PUSHES WATER UP INTO THE UPPER PART OF CHAPEL.
IS THAT ON INDIAN CLIFFS? THAT IS RIGHT ON.
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YEAH.THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CITY'S FACILITY.
BUT IT'S, IT'S IN A VAULT RIGHT THERE BY THE ROAD.
YOU PROBABLY DRIVE RIGHT BY IT AND NOT EVEN KNOW IT'S HERE.
UM, ONCE THE EAST SEDONA TANK IS BUILT RIGHT NOW THAT THAT BOOSTER STATION IS, IS, IS WORKING OFF THE VOLUME AND THE PRESSURE THAT IT GETS ALL THE WAY FROM THESE STORAGE TANKS ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN.
AND, BUT WHEN THAT BOOSTER STATION GOES IN, THAT'S GONNA OF COURSE, UM, ENHANCE THE PRESSURE AND THE FLOW ON, ON THIS PART OF THE 1 79, 1 79 LIKE IT SHOULD, OR IT WAS DESIGNED TO.
AND THEN WE, WE WILL UPGRADE THAT BOOSTER STATION TO BRING BETTER FIRE FLOW AND PRESSURES UP INTO THE UPPER PART OF CHAPEL.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A, UM, A GOOD PROJECT TO GO IN LINE WITH THAT TANK.
BUT WE NEED THE TANK TO, TO EVEN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, ROLLING HILLS BOOSTER STATION, THERE AGAIN, IT KIND OF WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH THE TANK.
THAT'S THE UMBILICAL CORD BETWEEN UPTOWN AND WEST SEDONA RIGHT NOW, IF WE NEED WATER ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN, WE CAN BRING IT FROM, FROM THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN IF WE HAVE A WELL DOWN OR STORAGE ISSUES.
WE ALSO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO RUN THE PUMPS THAT ARE AT THAT LOCATION TO PUSH WATER FROM THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN UP TO THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, BUT ONLY IN CERTAIN VOLUMES.
UM, THAT BOOSTER STATION WILL BE UPSIZED TO BE ABLE TO, TO ALLOW US TO MOVE WA MORE WATER BACK AND FORTH, HAVING THIS STORAGE TANK IN, IN PLACE HERE.
SO OPERATIONS CENTER, THAT'S, UH, THE RELICS BUILDING.
THE COMPANY PURCHASED THE RELIC BUILDING THIS LAST YEAR, AND WE ARE IN THE DESIGN PHASE NOW OF TURNING THAT INTO OUR, OUR NEW OFFICE AND OPERATIONS CENTER FOR, UM, WHERE YOU COMPARE YOUR BILL OFFICE SPACE FOR, FOR OUR MANAGEMENT AND, AND, UM, THERE'S EVEN ENOUGH ROOM IN THE BUILDING TO HAVE, THERE'S A DANCE HALL IN THERE THAT WE CAN HAVE MEETINGS IN AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
THE WHITE BEAR PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE HERE ON THE CORNER OF ROAD ROADRUNNER.
UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE A WAREHOUSE AND AND STORAGE SITE, BUT ALSO A WELL SITE.
UH, WE, WE DRILL, WE DRILL A TEST HOLE THERE.
UM, AND JUST FOR THE, FOR THE PURCHASING PURPOSE, IT GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED AND SO WE BACKED OUT FROM DRILL DRILLING DEEPER, BUT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GO PROBABLY DEEPER THAN WHAT WE DID DRILL TO, UM, TO, UM, DEVELOP THAT.
SO THAT THAT'S A PLAN FOR THAT SITE.
UM, REPLACEMENT OF FAILING LEAKING MAINS AND WATER SERVICES.
UH, WE, UM, WE HAVE, UH, WA AN ACT OF, UH, WATER.
WATER OR A LEAK DETECTION PROGRAM.
UM, FORTUNATELY IN SEDONA, IT'S NOT HARD TO FIND THEM BECAUSE THEY USUALLY FIND US FIRSTED.
SOME OF OUR MAINS AND SERVICES GO BACK INTO THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES, A LOT OF THEM IN THE SIXTIES.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE WATER MAINS AND SERVICES IS AN ONGOING SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT BENEFIT PROGRAM PROJECTS THAT WE ARE WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SEDONA ON CURRENTLY THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT WILL ALLOW SIZABLE WATER MAIN FROM 89 A UP INTO THE UPTOWN AREA THAT WILL ENHANCE FLOWS AND PRESSURES IN THAT AREA OF, AND DARIEN.
AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT TAR THAT, WHERE THAT WATER WILL BE TARGETED TOWARDS THOSE UPTOWN STORAGE TANKS TO EVENTUALLY TIE ACROSS AT, THERE'S, THE CITY HAS A, A PLAN FOR A ANOTHER ROUNDABOUT JUST SITE I BELIEVE OF, OF THE ROUNDABOUTS THAT ARE DOWN THERE.
WE WILL LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITY TO CROSS THE ROAD AT THAT POINT TO TIE INTO A BREWER ROAD TO CONNECT THESE TWO PROJECTS TO RUN WATER FROM BACK AND FORTH.
UM, IN THE BIG PICTURE, UM, THE TAKA P**I PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, THAT'S, I HEAR, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S BACK OUT THE BID RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE WORKING IN JUNCTION WITH THE CITY ON THAT, THE BREWER ROAD INTERSECTION.
UH, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SOME PIPE, SOME PIPE REPLACEMENT AND PIPE INSTALLATION THERE TO MOVE TOWARDS THAT OTHER PROJECT THAT I SPOKE ABOUT AT, UM, FOR FORBES ROAD, UM, FIRE HYDRANT INSTALLATIONS.
UM, IN THE PAST WE'VE WORKED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO, UM, INSTALL NEW FIRE HYDRANTS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, ACTIVATING THAT AGAIN, AND, AND, AND HAVING THE CITY AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COME TO US FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR SOME NEW FIRE HYDRANTS AND DEVELOPMENT OF A JOINT WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
THIS WILL BE WITH OUR WATER RESOURCES GROUP
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AND OUR TEAM AND THE COMPANY HAS WORKED ON THESE AND OTHER, AND OTHER SYSTEMS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES IN JOINT WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES.AND WE'RE MOVING INTO THE SEDONA AREA NOW TO, TO, UM, DEVELOP A CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF YOUR CITY STAFF WILL SEE.
PROBABLY BEFORE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
DID WE GET SOMETHING ROLLING BEFORE YOU SEE ANY, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? COMMUNITY SERVICE AND ENGAGEMENT OR SEVERAL GROUPS THAT WE, UH, WORK WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA CLIMATE ACTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I SAT ON THAT PANEL WHEN IT WAS, WHEN IT WAS IN PLACE.
UH, WE WORK WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER, KEEPS SADONA BEAUTIFUL.
I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE NORTHERN ARIZONA MUNICIPAL WATER USERS ASSOCIATION, ALONG WITH COUNCILMAN FURMAN.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD GROUP OF THE COMMUNITIES, UH, AROUND THE VERDE VALLEY AND PRESCOTT AND FLAGSTAFF, UM, THAT, THAT DEAL WITH THE WATER, THE WATER RESOURCE SIDE.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF PROUD OF THAT ONE BECAUSE WHAT WE WE'RE A RARE, UH, AN ODDITY BECAUSE WE, WE PROVIDE THE WATER AND SEDONA IS A MUNICIPALITY.
AND, UM, THE WAY THE ORGANIZATION WAS DESIGNED WAS, WAS FOR MUNICIPALITIES.
AND THEY ACTUALLY CHANGED THEIR BYLAWS TO ACCOMMODATE FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND SEDONA TO WORK TOGETHER, UM, IN THAT, IN, IN, IN OUR CAPACITY WITH, WITH THEIR GROUP, SO THAT WE WERE PRETTY PRIVILEGED, A SIMILAR, UM, ORGANIZATION WITH THE COTO PLATEAU WATER ADVISORY COUNCIL.
THAT'S MOSTLY, MOSTLY FURTHER NORTHERN ARIZONA, THE TRIBAL COUNCILS COUNTIES, UH, THE NATIONAL PARK, GRAND CANYON NATIONAL PARK, AND, UH, WILLIAMS AND FLAGSTAFF.
UM, AND MOVING SOUTH AS FAR AS SEDONA.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ABOVE AND BELOW THE RIM THERE.
UM, AND THE CITY OF SEDONA UTILITY COORDINATION, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE UP THERE.
WE, PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC, UH, WE HAD COORDINATED WITH CITY STAFF TO, UM, AND, AND ANDY AND HIS TEAM TO, UM, MEET REGULARLY TO, UM, STAY COORDINATED IN, IN THE PROJECTS THAT COME ALONG.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES THE, THE CITY NEEDS TO MOVE FASTER ON PROJECTS THAN MAYBE WE'RE, WE'RE READY FOR OR WE'RE PREPARED FOR.
AND SAME, SAME WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY.
SO THE COORDINATION BETWEEN US AND PUBLIC WORKS IS, IS PREMIER.
AND, UH, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THOSE MEETINGS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE FUN STUFF, CELEBRATION OF SPRAYING MOVIES IN A PARK, PUMPKIN SPLASH, MY FAVORITE, THE FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL AND THE VERDE VALLEY WATER FESTIVAL QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD BEFORE WE START WITH THE QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU, JOHN.
UM, WE'LL LET, WE'LL START ON THIS END.
WE'LL KEEP, UH, PETE FOR THE
I'LL GET MY NOTEBOOK, THE GRAND FINALE.
YEAH, I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF THERE'S, UH, I'M GONNA DEFER TO AND IF RIGHT NOW GET ANYTHING OFF OF YOUR LIST.
HEY, JOHN, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY AND THANK YOU TO THE REST OF YOUR TEAM THAT ARE PRESENT BOTH, UH, IN PERSON AS WELL AS, UH, ONLINE.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A CAPACITY OF FIVE AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS THAT COULD BE PUMPED DAILY, I BELIEVE.
WHAT'S, UH, AN AVERAGE ACTUAL PUMPED USAGE PER DAY.
LIKE WHAT, TO WHAT EXTENT ARE WE, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING OUR DAILY CAPACITY? DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF THAT? UH, NO, BECAUSE AT ANY POINT IN TIME SOMETHING COULD NOT BE RUNNING.
UM, UM, IF WE WERE, SAY, IF WE WERE ALL RUNNING ON ALL, ALL EIGHT CYLINDERS, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A ROUGH AVERAGE, NOT TO ANY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DIGITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO IN 2022, ARIZONA WATER SUPPLIED 887 MILLION GALLONS OVER THE YEAR.
SO THAT, UH, IS, UH, TWO 2.43 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
I WAS GONNA SAY TWO AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS.
UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME OF THE, DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME THE HIGH DEMAND IS OR LOW, SO, SO A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN YOUR ACTUAL CAPACITY? YEAH, LESS THAN HALF.
UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A STANDARD, WELL, THERE'S A STANDARD FOR A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS, BUT ARSENIC BEING AT WHAT, 10 PARTS PER BILLION? THAT'S THE M MCL FOR ARSENIC PER BILLION.
AND YOU SAID THAT OUR WATER RUNS 10 TO 12? PROBABLY CLOSER
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TO THE 10 SIDE ON, ON, ON MOST OF THE WELLS, BUT THEY HAVE POPPED UP EVERY NOW AND THEN.AND WHAT IS THE, LIKE WHAT, WHAT'S THE STANDARD OR THE REQUIREMENT FOR WATER TESTING? LIKE HOW OFTEN ARE YOU ACTUALLY TESTING AT ALL THESE WELLS? RIGHT.
WE, WE TAKE WEEKLY, UH, SPECIAL, SPECIAL, UM, SAMPLES THAT WE TAKE DOWN TO THE LAB, UH, THAT WE CALCULATE A RUNNING AVERAGE FROM MM-HMM.
AND SORRY, CAN I INTERJECT THERE? PLEASE JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY TO THAT.
UM, SO FOR THE WELLS THAT HAVE A SNIC REMOVAL FACILITIES ON 'EM, WE'RE REQUIRED TO TAKE QUARTERLY SAMPLES, UH, FOR COMPLIANCE PURPOSES, AS JOHN MENTIONED.
AND THE RULE IS A RUNNING ANNUAL AVERAGE.
SO IT TAKES EACH OF THOSE, BASICALLY THE LAST FOUR QUARTERS AVERAGES THOSE ARSENIC CONCENTRATIONS, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE AVERAGES UNDER, UH, 10 PARTS PERILING FOR COMPLIANCE.
BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY TESTING VOLUNTARILY WEEKLY? WE ARE, YEAH.
YOU MENTIONED, UH, DOING DRAWDOWNS TWICE A YEAR TO MEASURE THE DEPTH OF THE WATER IN THE WELLS.
UM, FROM A LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE ANY MORE, UH, SENSE THAT, THAT YOU CAN GIVE US ABOUT LIKE HOW MUCH WATER SUPPLY DO WE DO WE HAVE, RIGHT? LIKE IF YOU'RE DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE STATE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU GOTTA GET A CERTIFICATE THAT SAYS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE WATER AVAILABLE FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS IN ORDER TO GET APPROVAL TO DO THAT CONSTRUCTION.
DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW, HOW'S IT LOOK, YOU KNOW, FOR MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THESE TWO DRAWDOWNS A YEAR? YEAH.
SO, UM, TAKE THAT UNLESS TERRY SUE WANTS TO TAKE IT ON ONLINE HERE.
SO, UM, YOU'RE REFERRING TO CERTIFICATES OF ASSURED WATER SUPPLY, RIGHT.
OR, OR DESIGNATION OF ASSURED WATER SUPPLY.
THOSE ARE APPLICABLE TO SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREAS.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CERTIFICATE PROCESS REQUIRED FOR GROWTH AND AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA IN TERMS OF THE LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF, OF THE WELLS AND THE AVAILABLE GROUNDWATER.
THERE, THERE'S ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THAT GRAPH THERE IS TO SHOW THAT WE HAD VERY STEADY AND CONSISTENT WATER LEVELS FOR, FOR DECADES IN, IN, IN THE SYSTEM THERE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT IN THE, THE GROUNDWATER SUPPLY AVAILABLE THERE.
SO IF I'M A RESIDENT WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT WATER USAGE AND WE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE COLORADO RIGHT.
AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE, UH, DEPENDENT ON THE COLORADO FOR OUR WELLS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, HOW ELSE CAN YOU, HOW ELSE CAN WE REASSURE THE PUBLIC BEYOND YOU SAYING WHAT YOU HAVE? AND I'M NOT DOUBTING YOU, PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THE WRONG WAY, RIGHT.
BUT JUST WHAT ELSE CAN WE SAY TO ENSURE USHER, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY THAT YEAH, OUR, OUR WATER SUPPLY IS STABLE.
UH, AT THE SAME TIME WE'D ALSO LIKE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF IMPETUS TO SAY, HEY, LET'S START REDUCING SOME OF THAT USAGE TOO.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN SAY THAT WOULD JUST HELP ASSURE OUR COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR WATER SUPPLY IS STABLE? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.
WE GET IT VERY OFTEN THROUGHOUT OUR, OUR, OUR OTHER SYSTEMS THAT WE SERVE.
I THINK THE KEY THERE IS JUST EDUCATION, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LOVE TO PARTNER WITH THE, WITH THE CITY ON OUR WATER RESOURCES FOLKS AND, AND CITY STAFF.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S PART OF THE, UH, CONSERVATION PROGRAM AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THERE WHERE WE CAN HELP EDUCATE THE, THE PUBLIC AND, AND, AND THE CITY ON, ON, ON THE, UH, RELIABILITY OF, OF THE WATER SUPPLY.
UH, JOHN, YOU MENTIONED THAT I'M KIND OF QUOTING YOU HERE.
WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD UNLESS SOMETHING BREAKS.
UM, THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS HEARING THAT.
UM, HOW, HOW RESILIENT ARE WE TO SOMETHING BREAKS, LIKE, WE'RE PRETTY RESILIENT.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE WATER AROUND TOWN PRETTY, PRETTY FREELY, AND WE, WE, WE DO IT, YOU KNOW, THINGS DO IN THE, IN THE, JUST THE NORMAL OPERATION THINGS DO, DO, YOU KNOW, WELLS FAIL, PUMPS FAIL, UM, MAIN BREAKS HAPPEN AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I CAN'T RECALL ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY EVER TAKEN US OUTTA SERVICE OTHER THAN MAYBE A, A SMALL AREA FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO DO A REPAIR.
AND YOU MENTIONED, UH, EAST, A NEW EAST TANK.
IS THAT THE ONE THAT DOWN ON 1 79 YEP.
EAST ON THE TANK THAT'S BEEN IN LITIGATION FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UM, WHEN TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY
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USAGE, LIKE YOUR CHART THAT JUST SHOWED USAGE BY CATEGORY, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE MAKING SOME, UH, ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAVE DRIVEN UP SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USAGE, AND I WONDER IF PART OF THAT, UH, ISN'T SO MUCH THAT PANDEMIC AND PEOPLE ARE STAYING HOME, BUT PANDEMIC LOW INTEREST RATES, SHORT-TERM RENTALS WENT THROUGH THE ROOF AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HYPOTHESIS GENERALLY SPEAKING THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE HIGHER USE USERS OF JUST ABOUT ANY, YOU KNOW, CONSUMABLE RESOURCE.SO, UH, JUST WONDERING IF THAT PLAYS A PART IN THIS AND DO YOU HAVE ANY, YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO KNOW WHETHER, I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA THAT SHOWS THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
THAT'S JUST MY, MY, WHEN I SAW THE CHART, UM, THAT WAS MY IDEA OF MAYBE WHAT HAD BEEN GOING ON MM-HMM.
AND I WOULD SAY TO ELABORATE THERE, IN SOME OF OUR OTHER WATER SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, WE SEE THAT SAME SORT OF PHENOMENON THERE WHERE YOU'LL SEE A, A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, CONSUMPTION OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS SINCE THE PANDEMIC STARTED.
AND YOU'LL SEE SOME DECREASES MAYBE ON THE, THE COMMERCIAL OR THINK SERVICES THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE SERVING LIKE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR WILLING, BEING WILLING TO COME IN AND ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, BRIAN ASKED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS, SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE.
UM, WE, YOU TALK ABOUT ARSENIC CLEANING, BUT WE KNOW THERE'S POTENTIALLY OTHER THINGS THAT GET INTO OUR WATER SUPPLY THAT LEACH INTO THE GROUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE AQUIFER BASED, WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT CONTAMINANTS PEOPLE ARE USING, LIKE IN THEIR LOVELY LUSH LAWNS, WHICH WE, UM, OR WATERING APPARENTLY.
UM, DO WE TEST FOR ANY OF THAT EITHER OR HOW OFTEN DO WE TEST FOR THAT? OR DO WE, DO WE TEST FOR THINGS BEYOND PESTICIDES AND A ARSENIC? WHAT, WHAT WELL DO YOU GUYS TEST FOR WHEN YOU TEST THE WELLS? YEAH, THERE ARE SEVERAL ORGANIC AND INORGANIC CONSTITUENTS THAT WE SAMPLE FOR QUARTERLY.
SOME OF 'EM ARE MORE FREQUENTLY, SOME OF 'EM LESS FREQUENTLY THAT ARE INCLUDED IN OUR CONSUMER CONFIDENCE REPORT THAT, UM, YOU CAN FIND, YOU CAN FIND ONLINE.
I, I, I THOUGHT TO BRING ONE WITH ME, BUT, UM, UM, WE WE'RE, WE JUST ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE REVIEW MEETING.
WE INVITE FOR LAST YEAR'S REPORT BECAUSE WE'VE, WE, UM, WE ONLY HAVE LAST YEAR'S INFORMATION, NOT THE YEAR, YEAR'S, THIS YEAR'S YET.
SO IT'S OUR 2022 INFORMATION AND EVERYTHING REMAINS STABLE ON THE SEDONA REPORT.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, STUFF ON THERE THAT, BIG NAME CHEMICALS, THAT TYPE OF STUFF THAT WE, THAT WE DO SAMPLE FOR.
BUT, UM, ARSENIC BEING ONE OF THEM.
UM, UM, AND, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE PFAS COMING, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S, SO WHEN YOU'RE TESTING THESE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME SORT OF FEDERAL GUIDELINE AS WELL, I'M ASSUMING ALONG WITH THE ARSENIC.
THEY ALL HAVE A, A MAXIMUM CONTAMINANT LEVEL OR LEAD, AND COPPER HAS AN ACTION LEVELS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO, UM, WE TALK ABOUT HAVING SUFFICIENT WATER AND WE KNOW WE GET THIS ALL THE TIME SITTING HERE IN COUNCIL WHEN THERE'S A NEW RESORT OR A NEW SUBDIVISION OR WHATEVER COMING IN, OR REGARDING HOW MUCH WATER WILL THEY NEED, HOW MUCH WATER DO WE HAVE? AND SINCE WE DON'T REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE THAT SAYS THERE'S SUFFICIENT WATER FOR YOU TO BUILD YOUR 10 HOMES OR 20 HOMES, OR YOUR 400 ROOM HOTEL OR WHATEVER IT IS, UM, HOW DO, HOW DO YOU GUYS DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE REALLY IS SUFFICIENT WATER? UM, ARE YOU ASKED, DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY COME AND ASK YOU? BECAUSE WHEN THEY DO AND WE SEE THESE LETTERS THAT SAY THERE'S SUFFICIENT WATER, WHAT'S GOING ON? HOW DO YOU GUYS MAKE THE DECISION THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT WATER? UM, EVERY TIME ONE OF THESE, THESE PROJECTS COMES UP? YEAH, WE, WE ACTUALLY DO A PRETTY THOROUGH EVALUATION THERE OF EVERY PROJECT.
SO IF, IF I CAN KIND OF SPLIT THE WATER INTO TWO CATEGORIES, YOU KIND OF HAVE ONE IS, IS LOOKING AT KIND OF THE LONG TERM SUPPLY, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, GROUNDWATER, SURFACE WATER, WHATEVER IT IS THERE, THE RELIABILITY ON THE LONG TERM.
WE LOOK AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
AND AS I DESCRIBED, KIND OF SUMMARIZED PREVIOUSLY, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT IN THE, THE LONG TERM SUPPLY THERE FROM, FROM GROUNDWATER, UM, FROM THE, THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE, UM, THE SPECIFIC FLOWS TO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT FIRE FLOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS ON AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS AND A WATER MODEL TO DEMONSTRATE THAT OUR SYSTEM HAS THE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE FLOWS, WHETHER THEY'RE THE DOMESTIC OR, OR, OR FIRE FLOWS THERE.
AND, AND WE DO, IF, IF THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE LARGE ENOUGH, WE WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE FROM THEM THAT
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COULD INCLUDE, UH, WEALTH SUPPLIES AS WELL.BUT SEPARATE FROM THAT, AS JOHN MENTIONED, HE'S DEVELOPED A VERY THOROUGH, UM, BUDGET IN THESE FUTURE PROJECTS HERE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO KIND OF BOLSTER THOSE, THOSE SUPPLIES IN OUR SYSTEM WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, REPLACING OR, OR ADDING WELLS, ADDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE STORAGE TANKS, PUMP STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE, THOSE FLOWS AND, AND PRESSURES.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, WARNING SIGNS THAT YOU GUYS LOOK FOR AS TO, UM, WATER SUPPLY MIGHT GET BELOW A POINT WHERE YOU BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE SUFFICIENCY? YEAH, SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE, AT, AT THE CAPACITIES OF OUR, OF OUR WELLS AND BOOSTER STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHEN WE SEE THOSE DEMANDS.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT AN AVERAGE DEMAND OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
THERE ARE PEAKS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN THE SUMMERTIME THERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT BE AT HALF OF OUR, UH, CAPACITY THERE.
OUR, OUR DEMANDS IN THE SUMMERTIME ARE MAYBE CLOSER TO DOUBLE THE AVERAGE.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 75% OR SO OF THE, OF THE WELL CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE.
BUT OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME REDUNDANCY AND RELIABILITY IN THE SYSTEM SO WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE, THOSE UNFORESEEN UNPLANNED FAILURES THAT JOHN REFERRED TO A WELL PUMP GOING OUT OR, OR, OR SOMETHING OF THE SOURCE.
SO WE HAVE, UH, A FIRM CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM THERE.
WE DO HAVE PLANNED, ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT JOHN MENTIONED ON, ON THE SLIDE THERE IS OUR RAINBOW, WELL, IT'S OUR OLDEST WELLNESS SYSTEM DRILLED IN THE FORTIES, LATE FORTIES, I BELIEVE 40, UH, 49, THAT WE PLAN IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR SO TO, TO, UH, REDRILL REPLACE THAT WELL AND INCREASE THE CAPACITY THERE TO HELP, UH, FIRM UP THE CAPACITIES IN THE SYSTEM AND, AND PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THE MOMENT.
MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HI THERE.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT CAPACITY, BUT WE ARE RELYING ON AN AQUIFER FROM THE VERDE RIVER AND THERE THAT VERDE RIVER GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH YAVAPAI COUNTY, THROUGH PRESCOTT AND CHINO VALLEY AND ALL, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, DEMAND AND DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THERE, AND GROWTH.
WHAT, WHAT WA IS THAT YOU, ARIZONA WATER OR IS A DIFFERENT WATER COMPANY IN THE PRESCOTT REGION? IT'D BE DIFFERENT WATER, BUT WE'RE PULLING FROM THE SAME AQUIFER, IS THAT CORRECT? I, I DON'T BELIEVE THOSE ARE, ARE CONNECTED THERE.
AT LEAST NOT, NOT LOCALLY ANYWAYS.
A UH, DURING THE REDISTRICTING DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE GOING ON A COUPLE YEARS AGO FOR THE LEGISLATURE AND FOR CONGRESS, THERE WAS COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF YAVAPAI COUNTY THAT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY TO STAY WHOLE IN ONE DISTRICT, LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT BECAUSE OF WATER.
I NEVER REALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THAT MEANT, AND I WAS HOPING MAYBE YOU COULD ENLIGHTEN US.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE VERDE UP THERE THAT IMPACTS THE VERDE HERE, THE PE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN AND IS IN AN, THEY ARE IN AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA.
UM, AND WHETHER THAT PLAYS INTO WHERE YOU'RE HEADED, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE DISTRICTING WAS COMING TO PLAY.
TERRY SUE MIGHT HAVE SOME INSIGHT THERE.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF I COULD UNMUTE MYSELF OR NOT.
UM, AS, AS JOHN POINTED OUT, PRESCOTT IS INSIDE OF WHAT WE WOULD REFER TO AS AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA, AND THOSE ARE, UH, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF REGULATION IN THE STATE.
UH, THE ESTONIA AREA IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA DO JUST REALLY QUICK IS JUST TO JUMP BACK TO EARLIER IN THE CONVERSATION WHERE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, CERTIFICATES OF ASSURED WATER SUPPLY.
AND WHILE IT'S TRUE THAT WITHIN THE AMAS YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF, OF ASSURED WATER SUPPLY, AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL A LOT IN THE SUBDIVISION UNLESS YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF A ASSURED WATER SUPPLY, PROVE THAT YOU HAVE A HUNDRED YEAR ASSURED WATER SUPPLY OUTSIDE OF AMAS.
THERE'S ALSO A STANDARD, WHICH IS CALLED THE CERTIFICATE OF ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY.
AND IN THAT CASE, THEY HAVE TO STILL PROVE THAT THE GROUNDWATER IS PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE OR DEMONSTRATE IN SOME WAY THAT IS AVAILABLE.
BUT WHAT IF IT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR 100 YEARS? THEY SIMPLY HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT.
AND SO ONE WAY THAT, UM, HOMEOWNERS CAN CREATE MORE CERTAINTY FOR THEMSELVES IS TO ONLY PURCHASE A HOME IN A SUBDIVISION THAT HAS A, UH, A FINDING OF AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE REGULATIONS ARE CONCERNED, THE REGULATIONS, UM, OCCUR
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AT THE GROUNDWATER BASIN LEVEL.SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT, UH, BEING ADJACENT TO AN AMA WOULD NECESSARILY GIVE YOU AN ADVANTAGE, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT, UM, A DIFFERENT AQUIFER.
SO WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE VERDE ISSUE A REPORT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, DO YOU READ THEIR REPORTS ON THE REPORT ON YEAH, THE REPORT CARD AND IT'S A PUBLICATION.
OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
OH, THE FRIENDS WAS VER RIVER.
AND, AND, AND THEIR VIEW ABOUT THE ADEQUACY OF WATER IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CUZ I ALWAYS HEAR YOU SAYING, JOHN, THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF WATER HERE AND WE SHOULDN'T BE WORRIED ABOUT.
I'M GONNA GET TO SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF WATER IN A SECOND, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF VOLUME AND YET THEY SHOW A DIFFERENT TALE.
SUE, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE SURFACE WATER FLOW AND WATERSHED FOR THE VERDE RIVER VERSUS GROUNDWATER SUBBASINS AND HOW THEY ARE OR ARE NOT CONNECTED? YEAH, SO I, I THINK PROBABLY WHAT, UH, WHAT THE, UM, FRIENDS OF THE VERDE ARE REFERRING TO IS THE CONNECTION THAT THE VERDE RIVER CREATES, NOT ONLY WITHIN THESE TWO, UM, BASINS, BUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND, UH, NOT, NOT THE ENTIRE STATE, BUT EVERYWHERE IN THE WATERSHED.
AND SO THE VERDE CREATES A CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE GROUNDWATER BASINS.
SIMILARLY, THE C A P CREATES A CONNECTION ACROSS VAST AREAS OF THE STATE.
UM, AND SO WITHIN THE, WITHIN WATER LAW IN ARIZONA, WE HAVE A BIFURCATED SYSTEM.
SURFACE WATER IS REGULATED SEPARATELY FROM GROUNDWATER, BUT THERE IS THIS NEXUS, WHICH WE CALL SUBFLOW.
UM, SO TO THE DEGREE THAT, UH, YOU'RE PUMPING WHAT THEY WOULD REFER TO AS SUBFLOW, THEN THERE IS A CONNECTION THERE.
THERE'S A LARGE ADJUDICATION THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD OF.
ACTUALLY, I THINK FOLKS UP IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS ARE ACTUALLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT THAN FOLKS DOWN IN THE PHOENIX AREA ARE.
UM, BUT IT'S A VERY, IT'S VERY INVOLVED TOPIC.
AND IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE ADJUDICATION, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, AN EXPERT ON STAFF WHO COULD, WHO COULD SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT IT IS, IS VERY COMPLEX, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE NEXUS IS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WITHIN THE SUBFLOWS.
IF YOU'RE PUMPING WELLS THAT ARE LOCATED IN WHAT IS DETERMINED TO BE SUBFLOW, THEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY PUMPING SURFACE WATER AND YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A SURFACE WATER.
RIGHT? AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SURFACE WATER RIGHT, THEN UM, YOU'RE POTENTIALLY AT RISK.
HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, WHERE DO WE STAND?
SO I THINK AT, AT THIS STAGE, WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE ENGINEERS HAVE TOLD US, AND WHAT JOHN HAS ALSO STATED IS THAT THE PRODUCTION WELLS ARE, UM, ARE GOOD PRODUCTION WELLS, THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT PRODUCTION IN OUR WELLS TO MEET DEMANDS.
IF I, IF I WAS FOLLOWING THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY, WE HAVE TWICE AS MUCH, UM, CAPACITY AS WE DO HAVE, AS WE HAVE DEMAND.
AND SO IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY PROVIDING WATER, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS ON THE, UH, LEGAL END OF IT AND THE ADJUDICATIONS AND PROCESS IS A VERY LONG, PROTRACTED PROCESS THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR LONGER THAN I'VE ACTUALLY WORKED IN THIS BUSINESS.
AND THAT'S BEEN 40 YEARS, RIGHT,
AND SO, UH, IT'LL PROBABLY GO ON ANOTHER 40 YEARS.
UM, AT SOME POINT WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE.
AND WHEN WE DO WHAT WILL PROBABLY INVOLVE, WE'LL BE SOME SORT OF AN EXCHANGE WHERE I, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE SURFACE WATER OF SOME SORT, PERHAPS COLORADO RIVER WATER TO SALT WITH THE PROJECT IN EXCHANGE FOR THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO PUMP SUBFLOW UP IN THE SEDONA AREA AND OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE PUMPING SUBFLOW.
BUT THAT'S, WE'RE TALKING DECADES OUT.
UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE WATER POLICY STATEWIDE.
AND THEY'RE, THE, THE, THE SURFACE WATER AND THE GROUNDWATER SYSTEMS IN ARIZONA ARE, UM, REGULATED TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE WAYS.
AND SO THOSE, THEY, THEY ONLY MEET IN THIS ONE VERY NARROW BAND OF SUBFLOW.
AND THAT'S LITIGATED, THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY MANAGED THROUGH POLICIES OR THROUGH LAWS.
WELL, BACK TO, TO SOMETHING THAT COUNSELOR DUNN SAID, WHEN DO WE, SO EACH SUB NEW SUBDIVISION OR NEW DEVELOPMENT OF SOME SORT, CUZ IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL, COMES TO US AND WE LOOK AT IT, WE LOOK AT IT IN JUST THIS PROJECT, HOW DO WE, WHEN DO, WHEN IS THERE TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT? HOW, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH THING INDEPENDENTLY AND WHAT ARE THE WARNING SIGNS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF AND HOW DOES THAT FACT,
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YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN FACTOR THAT INTO OUR DECISION MAKING.WELL, I, I'M NOT, UM, DIRECTLY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE GROUNDWATER MODELING THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE AREA.
UM, BUT AS WE MOVE INTO THAT AREA AND DEVELOP GROUNDWATER RESOURCE PROGRAM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT GROUNDWATER MODELING IS IN, IS ON MY MIND AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SOME, SOME MORE COMPREHENSIVE GROUNDWATER MODELING TO REALLY GET A, A FIX ON HOW MUCH GROUNDWATER IS PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE.
UM, THE, THE WELLS, THE FACT THAT THEY ARE RELATIVELY, THE DRAWDOWN IS RELATIVE RELATIVELY FLAT OVER LONG PERIODS OF TIME.
AND WE, WE SHOWED YOU BACK TO 95, BUT WE HAVE DATA THAT GOES BACK MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT.
AND THE WATER LEVELS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOHN AND ANDY, BUT THE WATER LEVELS HAVE REALLY BEEN PRETTY FLAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO WE'RE SEEING THAT THE WELLS RECOVER NICELY AND SO WE DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE IN TERMS OF OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
BUT FROM A LONG-TERM WATER RESOURCE PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ACTUALLY DOING SOME, SOME, UH, MODELING UP IN THE AREA AND TRYING TO GET A FIX ON IT.
COLLECTING ALL THE, THE MODELING WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON AN INDIVIDUAL SUBDIVISION BASIS TO PROVE UP AN ADEQUATE, UH, WATER SUPPLY, COBBLING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER WILL GIVE US A MUCH BETTER FEEL FOR WHAT THAT UNIVERSE LOOKS LIKE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IN MY MIND IS THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY DONE TALKING TO YOUR, UM, YOUR CITY STAFF ABOUT AND GETTING FOLKS TO THE POINT OF WHERE THEY'RE USING WATER AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND WE, WE HAVE A SCENE, UH, IN OUR OTHER WATER SYSTEMS, WHICH IS THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHO YOU ARE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF WATER YOU USE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT USE IS.
AND WHEN YOU ARRIVED, WHETHER YOU ARRIVED 50 YEARS AGO OR YOU'RE GONNA ARRIVE NEXT WEEK, EVERYONE IS GONNA USE WATER EFFICIENTLY.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK YOU.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN YOU WOULD DO THIS MODELING? YOU SAID IT WASN'T IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY LONG-TERM PLANS OR MEDIUM? WELL, WE ARE SHIFTING OUR EFFORTS UP INTO YOUR AREA AS, AS WE SPEAK.
WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH YOUR STAFF AND WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON DEVELOPING THE WATER RESOURCE PROGRAM.
AND IN MY MIND THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, DO DOING THE MODELING WORK AND ALSO DEVELOPING THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BASIC THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE DONE.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR THAT WE WOULD, UH, I'D LIKE TO LAUNCH THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM HOPEFULLY IN, UM, THE FALL TIMEFRAME AND SOMETIME THIS YEAR FINISH, UM, FINISH ALL THE HYDROLOGY WORK TO GET A FIX ON ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE HYDROLOGY, THE ADJUDICATION THING IS A MUCH MORE LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND WE, WE, WE HIRED SOMEBODY ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHO SPECIALIZES IN SURFACE WATER RIGHTS AND AND ADJUDICATION TO REALLY HELP US GET A FIX ON WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
SO WE'RE BUILDING THE BENCH STRENGTH IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WITHIN THE, THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO THAT WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER FEEL FOR WHAT'S GOING ON FROM THE WATER RESOURCES PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK WE WOULD ALL FEEL A GREAT AMOUNT OF COMFORT IN KNOWING SO WE COULD ESTABLISH A BASELINE.
OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA SWITCH OVER.
SO WE MET RECENTLY WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS FROM OLA HILLS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, THERE WAS AN INCIDENT, A FIRE AND A HOUSE BURNED DOWN TO THE GROUND.
AND IN THE COURSE OF THAT, UH, BECAME, UH, APPARENT AS THE NEIGHBORS WERE TOLD BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF, UH, THIS FIRE HAD SPREAD NEXT DOOR, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD ENOUGH PRESSURE TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT FIRE AND PUTTING IT OUT.
AND SO WE LEARNED THAT THE PIPES THERE, AND THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY PLACE IN SEDONA IN WHICH THIS IS AN ISSUE, ARE SO NARROW BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT SO MANY YEARS AGO THAT THEY CAN'T, THAT SUPPLY MAY BE ADEQUATE, BUT THE PRESSURE IS NOT.
AND THEREFORE THEY HAD TO BRING, UH, WATER ON TRUCKS CUZ THEY COULDN'T GET IT OUT OF THE, OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS.
SO WHAT, HOW NERVOUS SHOULD WE BE ABOUT THAT? I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS ARE VERY NERVOUS ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THEM.
AND I, I KNOW YOU'RE MEETING WITH THEM, YOU HAVE SOME DIALOGUE, MAYBE YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AND THERE'S SOME, THOSE FOLKS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
UH, AND THEN WHERE ELSE IN SEDONA IS IT, IS THE ISSUE AS SEVERE AND WHAT ARE WE ALL GONNA DO ABOUT IT? LET ME TAKE IT.
UM, SO I GUESS FIRST OF ALL THERE, JOHN GAVE QUITE A BIT OF HISTORY ON THE, ON THE SYSTEM AND HOW IT, IT BEGAN AS MULTIPLE SMALL, SMALLER SYSTEMS OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVE SOLELY KIND OF BEEN CONGLOMERATED INTO A, A MUCH LARGER, ROBUST SYSTEM.
UM, WE HAVE EVERYWHERE IN OUR, IN OUR WATER SYSTEM, IN THE SEDONA AREA HERE, EVERYWHERE,
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THE WATER MAINS, FIRE HYDRANTS, SERVICE LINES AND EVERYTHING WERE DESIGNED TO COMPLY WITH THE FIRE FLOW REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED.SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THERE IS OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, UH, INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT CHANGE AND IF, YOU KNOW, UM, THEORETICALLY IF YOU WERE TO BUILD THAT SUBDIVISION NEW TODAY, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, BARREN LAND.
THERE'D BE DIFFERENT STANDARDS TODAY THAN THERE WERE 60, 70 YEARS AGO WHEN, WHEN SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WENT IN.
UM, WE ARE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON ANALYSIS OF THAT AREA, UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THERE MIGHT BE RESTRICTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE, UH, A MEETING SCHEDULED HERE TOWARDS THE END OF THE MONTH, END OF 29TH.
TOWARDS THE END OF THIS MONTH TO, TO MEET WITH THE, THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE AND HELP 'EM UNDER DO SOME EDUCATION THERE ON, ON HOW THAT SYSTEM OPERATES, HOW THEY'RE BEING SERVED, WHERE DO WE SEE OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, IMPROVEMENT OR, OR PARTNERING THERE TO, TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA.
BUT, UM, AS JOHN MENTIONED, WE HAVE A, A VERY ROBUST, UM, LEAK DETECTION PROGRAM AND A WATER MAIN AND SERVICE LINE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
WE'RE ACTUALLY THE FIRST IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA TO DEVELOP THE THES UH, PROJECTS, THE SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT BENEFITS WHERE WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND IDENTIFIED ALL THE OLD, OLDER AGING, FAILING, LEAKING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND SYSTEMATICALLY PUT A PROGRAM TOGETHER TO REPLACE THAT, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND UPDATE IT TO, TO CURRENT, UH, CONTEMPORARY STANDARDS.
UM, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE MANY LEAKS IN THE AREA THERE.
UM, SO THOSE, THOSE MAINS DON'T NECESSARILY TODAY FIT INTO, FIT INTO THAT PROGRAM, BUT WE ARE EVALUATING IT FOR, FOR, UH, POTENTIAL PROJECTS IN THE AREA TO HELP WITH, UH, WITH PRESSURES, FLOWS, RELIABILITY, REDUNDANCY, EVERYTHING IN THAT AREA.
UM, YOU HAVE THE, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS BY THE WAY.
SO, SO THAT, THAT, AS JOHN POINTED OUT, THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN ONE OF THE AREAS THERE, WAIT, BACK, SHOULD CLICKED.
IT'S ONE OF THE AREAS IN, UH, NORTH PART OF THE SYSTEM HERE IN THE LIGHT BLUE COLOR HERE, WHERE IT IS FED BY A BOOSTER PUMP STATION.
IT'S NOT GRAVITY FED BY ONE OF THE TANKS BASED ON THE, THE ELEVATION BEING HIGHER THERE.
UM, SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND HAVE SOME, UH, UH, IDEAS FOR, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT THERE.
SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER STRATEGIES BESIDES RIPPING UP THE STREETS AND REPLACING ALL THE PIPES.
SO THE, WHEN IT, NOT TO GET INTO TOO MANY DETAILS HERE, BUT BASED ON THE AGE, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS AT THE TIME HAD MUCH SMALLER WATER MAINS.
SO THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT, UH, AMOUNT OF THREE INCH AND FOUR INCH, YOU KNOW, SMALLER DAMAGE WATER MAINS THAT YOU, YOU COULD PUT A FIRE HYDRANT IN FRONT OF EVERY HOME.
AND THE, THE MAINS ARE ONLY GONNA FLOW SO MUCH RIGHT WATER AT THAT POINT.
SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME WATER MAINS, EITHER NEW MAINS INSTALLED OR OLD MAINS REPLACED OR COMBINATION THEREOF TO PROVIDE THAT CAPACITY.
SO THEN YOU COULD INSTALL, YOU KNOW, SAY ADDITIONAL HYDRANTS AND, AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FLOW AND, AND PRESSURES IN THE AREA.
SO THAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS THE WATER PROVIDER.
SO IT, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE THIS, THE, THE SYSTEM OPERATE IT AND REPLACE INFRASTRUCTURE AND UPGRADE INFRASTRUCTURE AS NECESSARY.
UM, TO DATE IT COMPLIES WITH, WITH ALL, ALL, ALL CODES, UH, BASED ON WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, WHEN THE HOMES WERE, WERE CONSTRUCTED AND EVERYTHING THERE.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE OR INADEQUATE BY ANY MEANS.
BUT WE DO RECOGNIZE, UM, UH, UH, CONCERNS FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC THERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND, AND TALK WITH THEM AND, AND, AND THE CITY THERE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE TO, TO HELP OUT.
AND PLEASE KEEP US IN THE LOOP ON THAT.
I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS WILL, BUT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
BUT ARE THERE OTHER AREAS WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF? YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF, THIS, THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS ACCIDENTALLY, AND SO, SO THERE ARE, WE, AS JOHN MENTIONED, WE HAVE VARYING DIFFERENT SIZES, UH, YOU KNOW, DIAMETERS OF WATER MAINS AND AGE OF WATER MAINS THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF SMALLEST TWO INCH UP TO, UP TO 16 INCH THERE.
AND OUR OLDEST MAIN STATE BACK TO THE FORTIES OR MAYBE THE LATE, LATE THIRTIES IN SOME AREAS.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THERE.
FOCUSES ON WATER LOSS AND LEAKING, YOU KNOW, MAINS THAT CAUSE DAMAGE AND EVERYTHING TO THE CITY'S ROADS AND, AND SO FORTH THERE.
UM, BUT WE'RE KIND OF GOING THROUGH AND SYSTEMATICALLY REPLACING AND UPGRADING THOSE.
AND, AND AS THOSE GET REPLACED, NOT ONLY ARE THERE NEW MAINS THAT ARE LESS PRONE TO, TO LEAKING, BUT THEY'RE, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LARGER DIAMETERS.
SO THEY HAVE A, A, A LARGER CAPACITY TO
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BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FLOWS, FIRE FLOWS AND AND SO FORTH THERE.BUT AS YOU POINT OUT, THEIR AREA ISN'T LEAKING.
AND IS, IS, IS MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR WHEN THE SYSTEM WAS BUILT? IT IS.
SO I, I, I GUESS I, I SAID THAT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT WE, WE'VE PRIORITIZED SOME OF THOSE, THOSE AGING AND, AND, AND LEAKING MAINS, BUT RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A, A, A CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY HERE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE, SO WE CAN INTEGRATE THAT INTO OUR, OUR PLAN, OUR BUDGETS MOVING FORWARD.
AND, AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD ADVISE US OF WHAT OTHER SYSTEMS MIGHT BE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION TO THAT ONE, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT TOO, BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION.
SO TO FOLLOW UP ON THE VICE MAYOR FOR EBOLA HILLS AND THIS FIRE THAT, UH, WAS BEING DISCUSSED, UH, BOOSTER PUMPS, JOHN, I, AND YOU'VE BEEN SO TRANSPARENT AND HELPFUL WITH THE IDEA OF BOOSTER PUMPS, BUT IF THERE WAS A POWER FAILURE WHEN THAT FIRE HAPPENED, YOU WOULDN'T BE GETTING ANY WATER OUTTA THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT GRAVITY FED.
SO, UH, I KNOW THAT YOU, THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
AND YOU'VE SAID THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON SOME TYPE OF, UH, RIGHT NOW YOU SHUTTLE A GENERATOR AROUND WHEN NEEDED, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIRE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY HELPFUL IF IT'S SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DOWN IN, IN THE SOUTH.
SO, UH, HAVE, IS THERE ANY PROGRESS MADE TO GET A, UH, GENERATOR THERE FOR THAT PUMP THAT PROJECT'S IN OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR? UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S TITLED AS A, AS A INTERCONNECT AND A GENERATOR FOR THAT, UH, BOOSTER STATION FOR THE, UH, JORDAN PARK BOOSTER STATION.
UM, PROBABLY IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, THE GENERATORS WE'RE LEARNING THE GENERATORS, THE GROUND MOUNTED GENERATORS ARE LIKE TWO YEARS OUT.
NOT SOME, SOMETIME A LOT OF STUFF.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL THE INTERCONNECT AND, UM, AND HAVE, AND HAVE, WE HAVE THAT GENERATOR THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT TO TAKE TO THE SITE WITH, WITH A POWER OUTAGE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA PROVIDE INSTANTANEOUS GENERATION OF POWER, BUT WELL, WHAT DO YOU DO IN A SITUATION OF A FIRE TO THAT MAGNITUDE OF A HOUSE WHERE POWER GOES OUT, THE FIRE'S IN ONE LOCATION, THEY MAY HAVE TO GET PAST THAT FIRE LOCATION TO GET TO THE, THE PUMP STATION.
I MEAN, TO ME IT'S JUST, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU DO, SO, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA REALLY, YOU'VE COMMITTED TO, UH, TO MAKE IT WORK MM-HMM.
UM, SO INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES AND ONE IS THE VICE MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE PIPES.
UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION MOVING FORWARD TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THOSE PIPES TO MAKE? I I THINK THE, THE STANDARD CODE NOW IS 12 INCHES ON A PIPE OR 10 INCHES, SIX INCH, UM, EIGHT, UH, 80 Q ARIZONA APARTMENT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, AND THE ACC ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION HAVE SIX INCH DIAMETER AS A, AS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
OUR STANDARD IS SIX INCH MINIMUM THERE.
UH, WHAT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IS BASED ON THE, THE FLOWS MOVING THROUGH THE AREA AND THE FIRE FLOWS REQUIRED IN THE AREA, THEN WE'LL SIZE THOSE, UH, APPROPRIATELY IF THEY NEED TO BE LARGER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR NEW SUBDIVISIONS TO MAYBE HAVE EIGHT INCH DIAMETER MAINS IN THERE FOR, FOR HIGH HIGHER FIRE FLOWS.
AND WOULD THE, UH, NEW MAIN THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN, THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT, UH, AT THE, UH, UH, WITH THE ROUNDABOUT CROSSING 89 A AND GOING UP TO, UH, FOREST ROAD, UH, THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH SAM HILLS AND UP AND UPTOWN WITH THAT, IT, IT'LL HELP THAT, HELP THAT WHOLE AREA OF TOWN.
SO IF YOU HAVE, I THINK IT'S THREE INCH NOW IN, IN PARTS OF UPTOWN, WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU GO FROM A SIX INCH? OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN, AND YOU END UP WITH THREE INCHES IN BETWEEN SIX INCHES, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHAT DO YOU DO TO, TO BRIDGE THAT GAP A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME? OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S HARD TO, THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG PICTURE QUESTION.
NO, IT'S A BIG PICTURE QUESTION.
BUT SHOULD WE TAKE A LOOK FROM A, A SYSTEMATIC STANDPOINT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, IT'S, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, PRACTICAL, OR, OR FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO GO IN AND, AND REPLACE EVERYTHING AT, AT, AT ONCE.
SO WE, WE DO TRY TO GO IN AND SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE THERE.
WE TRY TO START WITH THE LARGER DIAMETER MAINS, KIND OF THOSE TRUNK LINES, IF YOU WILL, AND, AND MOVE OUT FROM THERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO EXTEND THOSE FLOWS OUT.
AND JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COMMENTED, BUT THAT, THAT NEW MAIN GOING IN ON FOREST ROAD,
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WHAT'S THE DI DIAMETER ON THAT 12 INCH? OKAY.UM, SO NOW WE GET TO THE MALLARD TANK, AND I HAVE TO COMMEND JOHN FOR JUST STANDING, STICKING IT OUT.
I, I KNOW IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
NOBODY WANTS IT, BUT WE NEED IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT'S GOING OUT TO BID.
UH, IS THAT GOING, WHAT WAS THE FINAL METHOD OF, UH, DIRT OR ROCK REMOVAL? WILL THAT BE JACK HAMMER OR WOULD THAT BE BLASTED? WAS THERE JUST A DETERMINATION MADE IF YOU GO PUTTING OUT FOR BID? I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD'VE BEEN.
I, I, I BELIEVE THE SPECIFICATION CALLED FOR, FOR BLASTING BECAUSE IT WAS LESS INTRUSIVE ON, UH, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVERYBODY SAYS, YEAH, IT'S OKAY UNTIL YOU LIVE NEXT TO IT.
SO, BUT WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE.
UH, BUT NOW WOULD THE, AND I KNOW WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ALSO, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ANSWER WAS, BUT IF THAT TANK WAS IN PLACE, WOULD THE HILLS FIRE BEEN ANY DIFFERENT? WOULD THEY HAVE HAD THAT VOLUME? WOULD THEY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING CHANGE AS FAR AS THAT FIRE IN THAT AREA? NOT DIRECTLY.
UNLESS, UNLESS THEY, THE WATER WAS COMPLETELY DRAINED OUTTA THE JORDAN PARK TANK, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE SUPPLEMENT.
BUT THAT NIGHT, OKAY, THAT WASN'T A DIRECT, BUT TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT ABOUT OTHER AREAS IN THE SYSTEM THAT MAY, MAY, UM, NEED IMPROVEMENTS FOR FLOWS, WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS WITH THAT TANK GOING IN TOWARDS THIS END OF THE END OF THE SYSTEM, IT HELPS IMPROVE THE FLOWS IN THIS WHOLE REGION.
AND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY EVERYTHING ALONG THE 1 79 CORRIDOR, INCLUDING THE COMMERCIAL AND, AND RESIDENTIAL, EVERYTHING ALONG THERE.
SO IT WON'T HAVE A DIRECT EFFECT THERE, BUT IT DOES HELP THOSE IN THE AREA.
SO TAKING THE SAME SCENARIO FROM UPTOWN AND MOVING IT DOWN TO THE CHAPEL AREA, ONCE THAT TANK IS IN, IN CHIPOLA HILLS, THE NEIGHBORS WERE SAYING DURING THE FIRE, THEY TURNED THEIR FORCES ON ALL THE WATER WAS SUCKED OUT OF THEIR LINES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND I GET, WHY WILL THE TANK HELP THE 1 79 CORRIDOR? SO THAT WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T EXPERIENCE THAT SAME ISSUE BECAUSE THAT TANK WOULD BE THERE TO HELP.
SO THE, THE TANK AND THE BOOSTER PUMP STATION THERE ARE, ARE SIZED TO BE ABLE TO, TO HANDLE THE FIRE FLOW AS, AS WELL AS HELP WITH THE, THE DEMANDS DURING THE FIRE FLOW AND WITHOUT HAVING TO SUCK IT OUTTA PEOPLE'S HOMES.
WELL, WHATEVER DETERMINED CORRECT.
WOULD BE, UH, FOR THAT, UH, LAST, FOR THAT SAME TANK, UH, WHAT WAS THE DETERMINATION? WOULD THERE BE A PUMP IN THAT, UH, TANK AS WELL? INSIDE, INSIDE TANK, UH, INSIDE THE BUILDING, THERE'S THREE PUMPS IN THE BUILDING THAT ARE ON TOP OF THE TANK.
AND, AND WHETHER IT BE A GENERATOR IS WHAT I MEANT TO ASK.
THERE, THERE IS A GENERATOR THAT THE WAY IT WAS, UM, DESIGNED, THAT GENERATOR WILL BE, UM, THE SIMILAR TO THE GENERATOR USED AT, UH, BUT IT'LL BE TOW BEHIND.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE INSIDE THE BUILDING.
SO IT WON'T STAY ONSITE? NO, IT WON'T STAY ONSITE.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WON'T, IT WOULDN'T BE TOWED.
SO, SO YOU'D STILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.
YOU'RE BUILDING A BRAND NEW, BUILDING, A BRAND NEW FACILITY, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT A GENERATOR INSIDE AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE, FROM THE RES, UH, THE COMMUNITY THERE THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THE, THE GENERATOR THERE.
THAT WAS BECAUSE OF NOISE THAT DOESN'T REALLY, WHICH, WHICH WOULD BE ENCLOSED AND NOISE ABATEMENT.
AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING IT FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
UM, YOU SAID THAT THE USAGE, MY LAST QUESTION, YOU SPOKE ABOUT USAGE BEFORE, AND YOU SAID IT'S PRETTY FLAT LINE, WHICH IS NICE, BUT WITH THE INCREASE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE THAT WE WE'RE NOT REALLY BUILT OUT FOR, YOU'RE STILL STILL NOT SEEING ANY INCREASED USAGE.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH STILL FLATLINED, JUST PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE CHARTS, THE CHARTS, SHOW SHOWS IS STAYING PRETTY FLATLINED OTHER THAN THOSE COUPLE OF ANOMALIES DURING THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID, BECAUSE I WOULD'VE, I ATTRIBUTING IT TO RENTALS PEOPLE IN HOUSE OR PEOPLE IN HOUSE, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF THING.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF FOUR, A FAMILY OF SIX VERSUS 12 TO 20.
OH, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I HAVE DATA THAT WOULD SUPPORT, SUPPORT.
I THINK ONE OF THE THING, PROBABLY SOME EDUCATION AND EVERYTHING IS WE GO THROUGH THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, CONSERVATION DISCUSSIONS AND EVERYTHING.
A LOT OF THE D A LOT OF THE WATER DEMANDS CAN BE OUTSIDE OF THE HOME, MAYBE IRRIGATION, UH, PURPOSES.
THAT WOULD KIND OF BE INDEPENDENT OF, OF WHO'S
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OCCUPYING THE HOME OR HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OCCUPYING THE HOME.RIGHT? I'M JUST WONDERING, YOUR WATER USAGE AND OUR, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE OVERBURDENING? AND THERE WAS A QUESTION A WHILE BACK ABOUT IT OVERBURDENING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
I, I THINK THAT HELPS, UH, ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UM, PETE FURMAN, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE ORDER CATHOLIC.
UH, UH, AM I RECOGNIZED, MAYOR, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
I, I COULDN'T NOT RECOGNIZE YOU.
YOU DIDN'T FEEL ME LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER THERE TONIGHT.
THAT WAS A, A BIG HELP YESTERDAY.
I, I WANTED TO FIRST OF ALL, THANK MR. SNICKERS AND ROSSI, AND I KNOW THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE THERE, BUT I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE YOUR NAME.
I WANNA THANK YOU, UH, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY.
THIS FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION AND REALLY GOOD ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS, BUT ALSO YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE, UM, TO STAFF AND TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.
SO I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, MANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, I'VE ALREADY BEEN TOUCHED ON, BUT I DO HAVE THEM, AND I'M GONNA TRY AND GO IN SOME PROGRESSIVE ORDER.
I HAVE SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS FIRST, AND THEN I'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.
UM, FIRST QUESTION I'D LIKE TO START WITH IS, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE, AND THE MAYOR WAS ACTUALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT IT AS WELL ON THE WATER USE BY CATEGORY SLIDE.
IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT FOR A SECOND.
SO OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS TAKING UP THE MOST WATER USAGE, BUT WE DO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS NOW, TAKING UP AT LEAST 15% OF THE RESIDENTIAL USAGE.
IS, IS THAT'S WE'RE REFLECTIVE OF.
SO MY GENERAL QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT RESIDENTIAL USES AND YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE X AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS VERSUS COMMERCIAL USAGE, AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE X AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL USERS, IS ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES SORT OF OUT OF PROPORTION TO THE NUMBER OF USERS IN THAT CATEGORY? I'M TRYING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS, WHICH IS THE BIGGER AREA FOR USE PORTION IT TO THE POPULATION OF USERS.
WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BUT YEAH, THINKING, SO, SO JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO FIELD THIS QUESTION.
SO THE, UM, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, IS WE ARE, WE ARE JUST BEGINNING THE PROCESS OF DOING WHAT WE WOULD CALL A COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ASSESSMENT.
AND BEFORE WE GO IN AND DEVELOP A CONSERVATION PROGRAM, WE GO THROUGH A VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS, LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY OF CUSTOMER USAGE, TWO THINGS, EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE FIGURE OUT HOW MANY CUSTOMERS THERE ARE, HOW MUCH WATER USE PER CUSTOMER.
WE STAFF WITH BENCHMARKS WITHIN EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
WE COMPARE THE CUSTOMERS TO THE BENCHMARKS, AND THEN THOSE WHICH HAVE WHAT WE WOULD CALL, UM, HIGH WATER CONSERVATION POTENTIAL, UH, WOULD BE THE CUSTOMERS THAT WE WOULD THEN DESIGN THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM AROUND.
WE'D HAVE A, A, A GENERAL CONSERVATION PROGRAM, BUT THEN WE WOULD TARGET THOSE USERS WITH HIGHER CONSERVATION POTENTIAL.
AND WE WOULD GO THROUGH THAT EXACT, UH, UH, REASONING PROCESS THAT YOU DESCRIBED TO FIND THOSE CUSTOMERS.
AND THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WHEN WE DEVELOP IT, WE ARE GONNA SHARE WITH YOUR STAFF.
AND SO WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PRESENT THAT TO THE COUNCIL OR YOUR, OR WHAT, WHATEVER FASHION.
BUT WE DO A, A PRETTY DETAILED ANALYSIS TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND IS THAT ANALYSIS, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENT ANALYSIS THAN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GROUND WATER MODELING BEFORE.
AND YOU'RE ALSO IN YOUR PRESENTATION MENTIONED THE JOINT WATER CONSERVATION PROJECT.
THOSE ARE THREE SEPARATE SETS OF ANALYSIS, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THE, THE JOINT, UH, WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM, THE COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ASSESSMENT IS THE TOOL THAT WE USE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT, UM, ELEMENTS, IF YOU WILL, OF A CONSERVATION PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD BE DEVELOPING.
ARE WE GONNA FOCUS ON, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, RESORTS AND HOTELS? ARE WE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON, UH, COMMERCIAL IRRIGATION? ARE WE GONNA BE FOCUSING ON HIGH WATER USE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS? SO THAT'S THE ANALYSIS THAT WE USE TO FIGURE OUT WHO WE'RE GONNA TARGET IN THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
THE HYDROLOGY STUDY GETS MORE AT THE GROWTH ISSUE AND THE CAPACITY OF THE WATER SUPPLY, HOW MUCH, UH, COMMITMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE IN TERMS OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ALREADY PROVED BUT NOT YET CONSTRUCTED.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ASSESSMENT IS THE FIRST STEP IN DEVELOPING THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR PROJECTED ROUGH TIMELINE ON THAT, PLEASE? WELL, I WANNA LAUNCH THE PROGRAM IN THE FALL, SO, OKAY.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ASSESSMENT, IN FACT, WE, WE JUST HIRED A NEW WATER CONSERVATION SPECIALIST ON HIS LIST OF TASKS IS DOING THE COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ASSESSMENT FOR SEDONA.
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YOU.AND, UM, IF YOU COULD GO TO YOUR SLIDE ON FUTURE PROJECTS.
YEAH, SO THESE, OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER SLIDE IS THE ONES THAT ARE UNDERWAY, BUT THIS FUTURE ONE, NO, THE NOT THE OTHER.
UM, ON THAT, I, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT THEM GENERALLY, BUT WHAT ARE THE SORT OF THE TIMELINES ON EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS? OBVIOUSLY THE LAST ONE IST ONGOING, BUT ARE WE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, OR DO YOU WORK IN CALENDAR YEARS OR FISCAL YEARS? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN THESE MIGHT BE ANTICIPATED.
WE WORK IN CALENDAR YEARS AND STARTING FROM THE TOP DOWN, THE EAST SEDONA WATER STORAGE TANK IS IN THE BID PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
UM, ANDY, ANDY COULD PROBABLY GIVE ME A BETTER TIME IDEA ON THE SCHEDULE FOR CONS START OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT I'VE, I HAVE HEARD MIDDLE OF SUMMER YEAH.
FOR START OF, WE'VE BUDGETED TO, TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN CA IN THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
UH, THE, THE SCHEDULE FOR THAT PROJECT IS ROUGHLY TWO YEARS, A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, PROBABLY SHORTLY AFTER THAT OR TOWARDS THE END OF THAT PROJECT WOULD BECOME THE CHAPEL BOOSTER.
AND THE ROLLING HILLS BOOSTER, I AM HOPING TO HAVE IN MY BUDGET, IT WAS, HAS BEEN IN THE BUDGET BEF PRIOR, BUT THEN THE TANK WAS APPROVED.
SO I'M HOPING TO PUT THAT PROJECT IN MY BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR IN 2024.
AND ANDY AGAIN MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT, WHETHER THAT'S FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME.
YEAH, YEAH, JUST A COMMENT THERE.
SO, ON ON, ON THESE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THE TANK OR THE TWO BOOSTER STATIONS, TYPICALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING FOR CONSTRUCTION TIME RIGHT NOW ON THOSE PROJECTS IS ROUGHLY TWO YEARS.
SO MAYBE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE BUDGET FOR 24, WE WOULD BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN 24, AND THEN ABOUT 24 MONTHS LATER OR SO, ANTICIPATE THAT BEING, UH, COMPLETE AND IN SERVICE.
UH, THE SEDONA OPERATIONS, UH, THE RAIN, THE RAINBOW, WELL, THE WELL ON THAT PROPERTY WILL BE A SEPARATE PROJECT, BUT THE OPERATIONS CENTER IS IN THE BUDGET THIS, THIS CALENDAR YEAR, AND PROBABLY WE WILL START THAT PROJECT IN 23 AND FINISHING IN 24.
AND THE WILL, WHAT'S THAT? AND THE WILL, UH, IN THE, IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS THE GOAL.
AND THE WHITE BEAR PROPERTY, I HAVE THE BUILDING PERMIT PACKAGE ON MY DESK READY TO DROP OFF ONCE I RECEIVE A CHECK TO PAY FOR IT.
UM, AND WE WILL BEGIN WORK ON THAT DIRECTLY AFTER THAT.
THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW YOUR, THE DETAIL THERE.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAVE, WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE JOINT WATER CONSERVATION PROJECT, AND NOW YOU'VE TOLD ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND I THANK YOU.
BUT I WANTED TO KNOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE WORK GROUP OR WHO'S INVOLVED IN THAT, OTHER THAN YOUR STAFF? DOES THERE, HOW ARE THESE ASSESSMENTS? WITH WHOM ARE THESE ASSESS ASSESSMENTS MADE? UM, SO WE WORK, UH, HAND IN HAND WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR STAFF.
WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND I THINK IT WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND, UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER, UH, TEAMS ON EACH SIDE OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE CITY SIDE AND THEN NON ARIZONA WATER COMPANY SIDE WITH THE WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR.
SHE MET, UH, WITH THE CITY THE SAME DAY.
AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER, OTHER STAFF WHO SPECIALIZE IN OTHER AREAS.
AND SO EVERYONE ON OUR WATER RESOURCE STAFF, WHICH INCLUDES FOUR PEOPLE, UH, INCLUDING MYSELF, WE JUST, WE JUST GREW A LITTLE BIT.
SO I THINK WE HAVE NOW FIVE, FIVE PEOPLE TOTAL WOULD BE ON THE TEAM FROM OUR END OF THE PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN WHOEVER THE CITY DECIDES TO PUT ON ITS TEAM WOULD BE ON, ON THAT SIDE OF THE EQUATION.
AND THEN WE WOULD ACT BASICALLY AS THE STAFF FOR THE CITY.
AND SO WE WILL DEVELOP WORK PRODUCTS, WE'LL BRING THOSE PRODUCTS TO THE CITY WE'LL, SO WE'LL WALK THE CITY THROUGH EACH STEP OF THE PROCESS.
THEY'LL BE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WHAT THEY WANNA SEE HAPPEN, WHAT THEY DON'T, WHAT THEY THINK MAKES SENSE.
UM, A CONSERVATION PROGRAM NEEDS TO, TO REFLECT THE VALUES AND THE CHARACTERS, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE WORK HAND IN HAND IN MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
WE HAVE THE DATA, BUT YOU ALL ARE THE EXPERTS IN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE VALUES AND THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, WE'LL MAKE ALL THOSE DECISIONS TOGETHER.
WE'LL DECIDE ON WHEN THE PROGRAM WILL BE LAUNCHED.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW IT WILL BE LAUNCHED.
THERE'LL BE A SOCIAL MEDIA PROGRAM ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, THERE'LL BE, UH, EDUCATION PROGRAM COMPONENT.
WE ALREADY HAVE CONSERVATION ORIENTED RATE STRUCTURES IN PLACE.
WE ALREADY HAVE LEAK DETECTION PROGRAMS AND METER REPLACEMENT PROGRAMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
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WE'LL DO THE COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ASSESSMENT TOGETHER.WE'LL LEARN WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, AND WE'LL DESIGN THE PROGRAM AROUND THOSE IN ADDITION TO THE BASIC MEASURES.
AND IS THERE A OPPORTUNITY IN THAT PROCESS TO BRING IN, UM, WATER ORIENTED NONPROFIT GROUPS THAT MAY HAVE SOME SPECIALIZATION, OR WOULD THAT JUST BE ON OUR END IF WE WERE REACHING OUT FOR OTHER INFORMATION SEPARATELY? I, I THINK THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE IN THE, THE, MAYBE IN THE INITIAL, THE, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A, A KICKOFF MEETING, BUT, UH, THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE CITY STAFF AND ARIZONA WATER COMPANY STAFF, UM, WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO DO IN TERMS OF GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS HAVING SOMEBODY IN, IN THE ACTUAL PROCESS OR IF THAT MEANS GOING OUT AND DOING PRESENTATIONS AND TALKING ABOUT IT.
WE DO DIFFERENT THINGS DEPENDING ON THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE, WE SERVE AN AREA CALLED GOLD CANYON, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF APACHE JUNCTION.
AND WE ACTUALLY DID SURVEYS AND WHATNOT TO GET INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THINGS LIKE WHAT THEY WANTED THE LOGO TO LOOK LIKE AND THE, THE SLOGAN FOR THE CAMPAIGN AND WHAT THE ELEMENTS THEY WANT, WHAT, WHAT DID THEY WANNA SEE HAPPEN IN THE PROGRAM.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE ISN'T, THE REASON WE DID THAT IN GOLD CANYON IS BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A, UH, A PUBLICLY ELECTED BODY.
SO I THINK THAT IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS AS TO WHAT, TO WHAT DEGREE YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND GET FEEDBACK.
UM, THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION AS WELL, BUT WE USE IN THE COURSE OF THE PRESENTATION AT DIFFERENT TIMES, YOU KNOW, PHRASES COME UP LIKE THERE'S SUFFICIENT WATER TERM CAPACITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BETTER IN TERMS OF CAPACITY AS PART OF WHAT OVERALL SUPPLY, I THINK THERE WAS A STATEMENT MADE THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE THINK THAT THERE'S TWICE THE, UM, I'M LOOKING FOR MY NOTE, I WROTE IT DOWN AT LEAST TWICE AS MUCH SUPPLY AS DEMAND.
SO WHAT IS THE SUPPLY? I MEAN, IT'S NOT INFINITE, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINITE.
SO AT SOME POINT, SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE SUPPLY THAT YOU'RE BASING THE CAPACITY ON? I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT CAPACITY, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL AMOUNT.
SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE CAPACITY IS MEASURED AGAINST THAT.
I'M SORRY, I'M A, I'M A LAYPERSON AT THIS, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP IN SIPHONING THROUGH PUN INTENDED,
WELL, THE, THE CAPACITY WAS OUR PUMPING CAPACITY BASED ON, UH, HOW MANY WELLS AND WHAT THEY ON, ON A DAILY BASIS, OR ARE ABLE TO PUMP ON A DAILY BASIS AT 5.5 MILLION GALLONS VERSUS THE, THE, THE DEMAND, UM, WHICH WAS, WAS WHERE I THINK YOU HEARD THAT 50%, THE 2.4 MILLION GALLONS AVERAGE THAT WE USED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AS FAR AS MEASURING THAT AGAINST HOW MUCH WATER IS IN THE GROUND DOWN THERE.
SO, SO I THINK THAT TIES TO, I JUST GO AHEAD.
YOU GETTING TO THE HEART OF IT, I GUESS IS, IS I GUESS THE QUESTION.
YOU'RE HELPING ME FRAME MY QUESTION BETTER.
WHICH, YEAH, HOW DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OR HOW DOES ONE GET AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE UNDER THERE? WE TALK ABOUT THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT AQUIFER, AND I KNOW, UH, VICE MAYOR PLU DELVED INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE AS WELL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S DOWN THERE.
BUT HOW, HOW DO WE KNOW, HOW DO WE KNOW, YOU TALKED ALSO ABOUT THERE'S A WELL THAT YOU TARGETED FOR RE DRILLING, UM, BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IF THAT IS REDRILLED, THAT IT'LL DOUBLE THE AMOUNT FROM THERE AVAILABLE OF THE AVAILABILITY, OR IT WOULD TRIPLE OR IT'LL ONLY GO 10%, OR HOW, HOW, HOW ARE THESE, HOW IS THAT ESTIMATED? SO TERRY, SUE, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT AGAIN ON THE, UH, THE HYDRO, UH, HYDROLOGY, THAT STUDY THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH, SO, UH, SO ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONAL PIECES THAT WE FEEL NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED FOR, UH, THE ENTIRE WATER RESOURCE PROGRAM.
SO DEMAND MANAGEMENT CONSERVATION IS ONE PART OF IT, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET A HANDLE ON THE VOLUME OF GROUNDWATER THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TO BE PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE IN STORAGE.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE, THE VOLUME THAT'S WITHIN THE AQUIFERS THEMSELVES.
AND THOSE ARE DONE THROUGH GROUNDWATER MODELS.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GROUNDWATER MODELS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE STATE TO, TO FIGURE OUT THAT INFORMATION, UM, IN THIS AREA IT'S GOING TO BE MORE COMPLEX THAN IN SOME OF THOSE OTHER AREAS.
BUT THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN FIGURE OUT, UH, AN IDEA OF THAT.
AND NOW BEAR IN MIND IT'S A MODEL AND MODELS ARE, UM, ONLY AS GOOD AS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PUT IN.
AND IF THE MODELS HAVE LESS INFORMATION, UM, THEN YOU MIGHT LIKE, THEN THERE'S GONNA STILL BE SOME DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY.
BUT THE, IN MY MIND THERE ARE KIND OF TWO PIECES.
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ONE IS THE, AN ACTUAL MODEL.THE OTHER PIECE IS FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH HAVE WE ALREADY COMMITTED? SO HOW MANY SUBDIVISIONS HAVE BEEN APPROVED, UH, HOW MUCH EXISTING DEMAND IS THERE, AND HOW MUCH, HOW MANY VACANT LOTS ARE THERE? HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION HAS THE CITY ALREADY COMMITTED TO? AND THEN, AND THEN, THEN YOU HAVE SOME PERSPECTIVE ON, ON TOP OF THAT, HOW MUCH MORE COULD YOU DO, WHICH IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S THE EXISTING AND COMMITTED DEMANDS, AND THEN WHAT'S PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE IN THE AQUIFER.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY INTO THAT AS WELL.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO SOME OFF TAKING OF THE EFFLUENT AND USING THE EFFLUENT IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UH, WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO SOME EXCHANGES AS WELL TO CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL WATER SUPPLIES.
THAT WOULD BE A VERY EXPENSIVE OPTION.
EXCHANGES WITH WHO EXCHANGES IS ESSENTIALLY WITH THE SALT RIVER PROJECT.
SO CUZ THEY HOLD MANY OF THE WATER RIGHTS UPSTREAM.
SO WE WOULD DO, ULTIMATELY WE WOULD DO SOME SORT OF A WATER RESOURCE PLAN TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WATER SUPPLY IS PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE, HOW MUCH IS COMMITTED, AND THEN WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT THEN THE CITY NEEDS TO DECIDE ITS COMFORT LEVEL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY MORE PROJECTS IS IT GONNA PROVE GOING FORWARD.
SO THAT YOU LIT RIGHT INTO MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION BECAUSE, SO YEAH, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YOU'D GET AN ASSESSMENT OF THE AVAILABILITY AND THEN AN ESTIMATE OF THE COMMITMENTS, BUT WHAT'S THE BUFFER ZONE? LIKE AT WHAT POINT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND AREAS THAT YOU WORKED WITH IN OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU'RE MAYBE SEEING NOT QUITE AS MUCH, UM, VOLUME AVAILABLE AS, AS WE HAVE HERE WHERE, WHAT IS THE CUTOFF? IS THERE? WELL, IT'S, IT'S, SO MUCH OF IT DEPENDS ON THE REAL, THE VALUE SYSTEM OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO I, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT JUST HAVE A, A, UM, A PERSPECTIVE THAT THINGS WILL, THAT THERE WILL EVENTUALLY BE TECHNOLOGY OR THERE'LL BE WATER RESOURCES THAT WE BROUGHT TO BEAR TO MAKE THINGS WORK.
UM, KIND OF YOU'VE LOOKED DOWN IN THE PHOENIX AREA, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE MORE OF, OF AN ATTITUDE THAT EVENTUALLY THERE'LL BE AN OCEAN DESALINATION PLANT.
AND SO WE CAN WORK THROUGH OUR LIMITATIONS.
UM, MY SENSE IS THAT'S NOT THE, THE, THE ATTITUDE OF PREVALENT ATTITUDE UP IN THE SEDONA AREA.
UM, AND SO IT'S MORE OF A LIVING WITHIN YOUR MEANS, UM, PERSPECTIVE, BUT I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT'S MY SENSE OF THINGS.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO, THOSE DECISIONS ALL NEED TO BE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOUR VIEW OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO OR DOESN'T WANT TO DO.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO BRING CERTAIN JOBS INTO THE COMMUNITY OR DO YOU WANT TO BUILD A SUBDIVISION? THOSE ARE REALLY DECISIONS THAT LIE IN YOUR COURT.
AND SO WE WILL DO, UH, WE, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS WATER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
UM, AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE AN EXOTIC SUPPLY AND BRING IT IN, THEN WE'RE TALKING MONEY AT THAT POINT.
SO THEN WATER RATES WOULD GO UP AND THAT SORT OF THING IN ORDER TO BRING THOSE, THOSE SUPPLIES TO BEAR.
AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT WOULD THEN BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY, BUT EASILY TAKING IT AWAY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO IF, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WERE AN OCEAN DESALINATION PLANT BUILT AND WE, UM, BECAME A PART OF THAT PROCESS, OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OR NOT, BUT THE SALT RIVER PROJECT IS, UH, UNDERGOING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO RAISE BARTLETT DAM.
AND WE ARE A PART OF THAT PROJECT.
AND SO IF WE PARTICIPATE IN THAT AND WITH A WATER SUPPLY AT BARTLETT DAM, WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE THAT WATER SUPPLY IN ORDER TO SERVE, UM, THE KINDS OF EXCHANGES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT, BUT WHAT I WANNA, WHAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT I THINK FROM, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING DECADES OUT HERE FOR MAKING THESE KINDS OF DECISIONS AND CHANGES.
I, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHERE THE DECISION POINT IS AT RIGHT NOW IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DESCRIBING THE OPTIONS.
IT'S, UH, IT'S HELPFUL INFORMATION TO HAVE CUZ YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKES DECISIONS, THAT PUTS THE NEXT PERSON OR, YOU KNOW, 40 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IN CRISIS MODE.
SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE INFORMATION AND THE UNDERSTANDING AT THIS POINT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT YET THERE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT DESCRIPTION.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS CHANGING A LITTLE BIT TACTIC HERE, BUT, UM, THE, THE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA THAT YOU DESCRIBED DOWN IN THE PRESCOTT AREA AND WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF REGULATIONS AND SEDONAS NOT IN THAT, BUT WHAT IS THE CRITERIA? HOW, HOW WOULD ONE GET INTO AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA AND WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFITS OF PERHAPS BEING AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA? WELL, UM, I I, I HAVE TO SAY THAT'S
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KIND OF A LENGTHY CONVERSATION.UM, AND SO, UH, THERE WAS A, AN AMA RECENTLY THAT WAS DEVELOPED DOWN IN THE, THE DOUGLAS AREA, WHICH IS IN SOUTHEASTERN ARIZONA.
THAT IS THE ONLY ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA, WHAT WE WOULD CALL SUBSEQUENT ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA THAT HAS EVER BEEN CREATED.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO DEVELOPING THAT, INCLUDING AN ELECTION WHERE THE, UM, EFFECTIVE PARTIES HAVE TO VOTE FOR THAT, UM, ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA.
SO, UH, DEVELOPING, CREATING AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA IS A, A, A BIG LIFT.
AND THERE ARE GOOD THINGS AND BAD THINGS ABOUT BECOMING AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA.
I THINK IN MY MIND THE QUESTION IS MORE, UH, TO WHAT DEGREE CAN YOU CONTROL YOUR OWN FUTURE? CAN YOU MAKE DECISIONS AND TAKE ACTIONS THAT WILL PROTECT YOUR, UH, YOUR SURROUNDING AQUIFER, YOUR WATER SUPPLIES, AND MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS THAT REFLECT THE REALITY OF THE RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE? I WOULD PERSONALLY THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER APPROACH THAN CREATING AN AMA BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT.
AND AGAIN, THERE ARE GOOD, THERE ARE GOOD THINGS AND BAD THINGS ABOUT THAT AND YOU'D HAVE TO WEIGH ALL OF THAT BEFORE GOING DOWN THAT PATH.
AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY MY LAST QUESTION IS, AND THIS IS GONNA BRING US BACK TO SOME OF THE THINGS YOU ADDRESSED BEFORE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PRESSURE AND THE SITUATION THAT THE VICEMAN DESCRIBED FIRE UPTOWN.
UM, AGAIN, THAT WAS, IT WAS, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.
I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ACTIVELY WITH THE NEIGHBORS THERE, AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO MY OPENING COMMENTS.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING AN ACTIVE PARTNER AND PARTICIPANT.
UM, MY QUESTION IS THOUGH, WHERE ARE WE ON THE TIMELINE FOR WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IS HOW YOU'RE WORKING AND LOOKING AT, AT THINGS THERE.
AND UM, AGAIN, IT WAS, AND THIS GOES BACK, THIS WAS SAID BEFORE, BUT I JUST WANNA DELVE INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IT WAS, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT PROBLEM, THAT POTENTIAL CATASTROPHE, UH, WAS DISCOVERED BASICALLY AS PART OF AN UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENT.
UM, SO DEALING WITH THAT ONE FIRST IS A PRIORITY CUZ WE KNOW IT'S THERE.
AGAIN, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH, UH, THE VICE MAYOR BEFORE, BUT WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR TRYING TO UNCOVER ANY OTHER POTENTIAL AREAS SO THAT WE COULD AVOID GOING FORWARD? I, I, I'M NOT SURE WE COMMITTED TO ANY TIMELINE THERE FOR, FOR THAT, BUT, UM, WE DEFINITELY WANNA FOCUS ON, ON SEP HILLS RIGHT NOW AND THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, RAISED THERE, CONCERNS THERE.
UM, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, AS WE GO THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, THIS BUDGET YEAR, TAKE A LOOK AT THE BALANCE OF THE SYSTEM AND, AND LOOK AT ANY, UH, ANY, IS THERE, I I WANNA MAKE ONE, UH, I GUESS A COUPLE COMMENTS HERE.
MAYBE I CAN FIND THE MAP AGAIN.
SO, UM, JOHN MADE A COMMENT THAT THE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SYSTEM IS GRAVITY FED.
AND I CAN SEE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS GENERALLY UNIQUE ACROSS THE STATE OF ARIZONA WHERE IF YOU'RE DOWN IN THE, SAY THE, THE PHOENIX METRO AREA AND EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING'S VERY FLAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TANKS AT ELEVATION, YOU DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF WATER TOWERS LIKE YOU MAY IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE MIDWEST OR, OR BACK EAST THERE.
SO ONE OF THE HUGE BENEFITS, PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST BENEFITS FOR HAVING THOSE TANKS STRATEGICALLY AT THOSE ELEVATIONS IS IN THE EVENT OF ANY POWER FAILURE THERE, ALL THOSE, ALL THAT FLOW, ALL THAT PRESSURE IS PROVIDED BY GRAVITY FROM THOSE TANKS.
THERE'S NO GENERATORS NECESSARY.
SO ALTHOUGH THE, ALTHOUGH NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE SYSTEM IS GRAVITY FED, THE VAST MAJORITY, INCLUDING COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND HIGHWAY CORRIDORS AND EVERYTHING ARE ALL, ARE ALL FED BY GRAVITY THERE.
IN TERMS OF THE, THE BOOSTER PUMP STATIONS HERE, I WOULD SAY IT, IT IS NOT STANDARD TO HAVE GENERATORS ON SITE FOR BOOSTER PUMP STATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, UH, UH, A A TYPICAL DESIGN FOR, FOR A PUMP STATION LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S NOTHING ABNORMAL ABOUT, ABOUT THIS.
UM, WE DO RECOGNIZE THE, THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THAT AS OPTIONS HERE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE OUR EVALUATION.
MY LAST, I JUST, AGAIN, WANTED TO SAY I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OUT OF THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
I REALLY WANT TO LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR ANSWERS.
OKAY, PETE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP IT UP UNDER FIVE O'CLOCK.
WE STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE PUBLIC.
I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? ANY CARDS YET? YEP.
UH, THANK YOU, UH, MR. SNICKERS, MR. HAAS, AND MS. ROSSI FOR BEING HERE AS WELL, RE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
AND MS. OSBORNE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TOPIC TO US TODAY.
I, I FEEL LIKE A KID IN A CANDY STORE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REASONS I RAN A LONG LIST OF REASONS I RAN, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS WAS
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THIS WATER SUPPLY ISSUE.AND MAYOR, I'M GONNA TRY NOT TO ASK HALF MY QUESTIONS HERE.
AND JOHN, I LOOK FORWARD TO SITTING DOWN WITH YOU, UH, PERHAPS AND ANDY, AND ASKING SOME OF THOSE AGAIN.
I'D LIKE TO START ON, UM, PAGE SIX, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE, UH, PLOT OF THE WATER, UH, THE, THE THE WATER LEVELS.
UH, FIRST QUESTION HERE, I'M GONNA SKIP THAT AND SKIP THAT, SKIP THAT.
BUT THIS IS THREE OF YOUR NINE WELLS.
CAN YOU TELL US HOW THE OTHER, DO YOU MEASURE THIS ON ALL THE WELLS? HOW DOES YEAH, THEY'RE ALL VERY SIMILAR.
THE REASON WE SELECTED THESE WELLS, THESE ARE THREE OF THE OLDEST WELLS THAT WE HAD AND WANTED TO SHOW SOME OF THE, THE DATA MOVING, MOVING FURTHER BACK.
UH, TERRY SUE ALLUDED TO THAT WE HAVE DATA MOVING BACK LATER.
UH, WHAT WE WANTED TO SHOW IS WE'VE SEEN VERY CONSISTENT, UH, WATER LEVELS OVER DECADES IN, IN THE SYSTEM.
SO WE THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY STABLE.
UH, AND THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS CHART, I DIDN'T SEE THAT GAP IN TIME AND I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT, THE STEEP CHANGE THERE.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT MY EYE DOES SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE OVER TIME HERE IN THE RECENT YEARS, SO, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT AND LOOK INTO THAT NEXT PAGE.
UH, COUPLE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO NOTE FOR EVERYBODY HERE, ALTHOUGH THE NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS SHOWS A STEEP RISE, OF COURSE, JUST REMIND EVERYONE THAT IT ONLY GOES FROM 6,000 TO 6,200 CONNECTIONS.
SO THE NUMBER OF CONNECT, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG DELTA, IT'S JUST A SCALING ISSUE.
I HAVE HAVE BEEN FASCINATED FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS NOW LOOKING AT THIS CHART AS WELL AS MY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, CUZ YOU'RE ASKING A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT I'M SEEING ON HERE.
AND IT'S JUST FASCINATING TO THINK THAT OUR RES, OUR FULL-TIME RESIDENTIAL POPULATION HAS DROPPED, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAS SKYROCKETED, BUT YET THE WATER DEMAND DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE CHANGED.
AND, AND WE DO SEE THIS DROP FROM 2020 TO 21 INTO 2022.
I SUSPECT THAT THERE IS A GOOD PART OF THAT THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WERE STAYING HOME FULL-TIME THAT ARE MAYBE KIND OF RETURNING WORK.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, THIS MIGHT SHOW US A BIGGER BLIP IN TIME THE FURTHER OUT IT GOES.
YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE ONE OF THESE IN THERE YEAH.
THIS IS IT, IT REALLY IS FASCINATING TO ME TO THINK THAT THE RESIDENT JOE WATER U UH, USE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONE UP SOME, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T GET THE SENSE LOOKING AT THIS CHART THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE USING AS MUCH WATER AS I THINK WE ALL FEARED THAT THEY DID.
SO REALLY CONTINUE TO DIG IN AND UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS QUESTION IS AN INTEREST OF MINE.
UM, I DID ASK, UH, KAREN TO GIVE ME THE, UM, WATER SEWAGE TREATMENT NUMBERS AS WELL TO TRY AND LAY THIS OVER, AND I DIDN'T REALLY GET A LOT OF TIME TO DO THAT TODAY, BUT IT SHOWS A LOT OF THE SAME TRENDS.
AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO BE CONSISTENT IN MY, UH, INITIAL, UH, LOOK AT THAT DATA.
BUT WHAT THE MOST, UH, IMPORTANT FACT THAT CROSSED MY EYES, AND I'M STILL ASTOUNDED BY THIS, IS THAT THE, UH, WATER TREATMENT PLANT IN 2022 AVERAGE, UH, THE 1.13 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY IS THE AVERAGE, UH, TREATMENT CAPA NOT CAPACITY, BUT USE OF THE PLANT THAT'S 420 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR.
UH, ARIZONA WATER, WHICH ISN'T OUR ONLY WATER COMPANY PROVIDED 887 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER, WATER PER YEAR.
OVER HALF THE WATER ISN'T GOING TO THE TREATMENT PLANT.
AND I'M ASTOUNDED BY THAT NUMBER AS WELL.
AND I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT INTO WHY SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE WHEN WE LOOK AT SEWER CONNECTIONS.
OF THE ENTIRE CITY IS COVERED, UM, BY THE SEWER.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOT, LOTS OF REASONS.
IT'S AMA IT'S, IT'S JUST AMAZING TO ME TO THINK ABOUT THE SIZE OF THOSE NUMBERS AND, UH, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THOSE OUT.
I'M SKIPPING 'EM THROUGH HERE, MAYOR.
YOU SAID, UH, SO THIS WAS ONLY THE CITY OF SEDONA NUMBERS NOT JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT THE CONNECTION NUMBER.
UH, JOHN, I WAS KIND OF GOOGLING WHAT'S THE STANDARD FOR AVERAGE USE AND BOY, DO YOU GET A RANGE OF NUMBERS
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WHEN YOU GO LOOKING FOR STUFF.YOU KNOW, THE EPA SAYS 82 GALLONS A DAY PER PERSON AT HOME.
UM, A WATER CALCULATOR THING OUT THERE SAYS 60 GALLONS PER DAY PER PERSON.
THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF WATER SAYS IT'S 146 GALLONS PER DAY.
WHAT STANDARD DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT USE
TERRY SUE, SHE'S, I KNOW SHE'S GRINNING AT THIS
UM, I WAS, I WAS, I THINK KURT MAY HAVE ASKED ME A QUESTION AT ONE POINT.
UH, AND I DID SOME ROUGH MATH WITH MY DATA AND I CAME UP WITH, I DON'T HAVE THAT FIGURE WRITTEN DOWN, BUT I CAME UP WITH A FIGURE, TERRY SUE HAS A MORE PRECISE WAY OF CALCULATING THAT THROUGH THE WATER RESOURCE WAY OF DOING IT.
AND ODDLY ENOUGH, THOSE TWO NUMBERS CAME UP PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME.
AND DO YOU RECALL WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS, TERRY? THAT, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY, I DON'T, JOHN AND I, I, I COULD GO ON IN MY EMAIL, BUT THEN I'D LOSE THE SCREEN.
SO TWO TEXTS OF MY LAPTOP, BUT THAT WOULD ALL BE DONE WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ASSESSMENT.
WE'LL ACTUALLY DIG WAY DOWN INTO THERE, COME UP WITH A RESIDENTIAL GP, P C D IN A TOTAL G P C D, UM, AND IT'S, UH, WE'LL, THAT NUMBER, WE CAN MAKE THAT NUMBER, UH, UH, WE CAN DAYLIGHT THAT NUMBER.
IF YOU GO WITH THE ARIZONA STATE STATE OF ARIZONA'S WATER DEPARTMENT NUMBER 1 46 GALLONS PER DAY, THAT'S, UH, 506 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR FOR 9,500 RESIDENTS.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT NINE, 500 MILLION GALLONS AND WE DO 800 MILLION GALLONS.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THESE WILL ALL PLAY OUT AND, AND, AND JIVE TOGETHER.
THE THE OTHER THING THAT I MIGHT ADD IS THAT, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ASSESSMENTS, THE, THE STANDARD REALLY BECOMES WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT UTILITY.
THERE'S SO MUCH VARIATION FROM ONE SYSTEM TO ANOTHER THAT IT'S ALMOST, UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S INFORMATIVE TO HEAR WHAT THE STATE HAS TO SAY YEAH.
OR WHAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGES ARE, BUT, BUT THE REALITY IS, IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ACTUAL WATER SYSTEM.
AND WHAT WE SORT OF LOOK FOR IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A, WHAT'S A BENCHMARK FOR THAT PARTICULAR WATER SYSTEM AND WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED EXCESSIVE USE IN THAT WATER SYSTEM? GREAT.
COUNCIL PLU, DID YOU HAVE A YEAH.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF SEDONA IS COVERED BY ARIZONA WATER? MOST, MOST, MOST SIZE? YEAH.
I DON'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE SIZE BY SIZE, BUT THE EVERYTHING FROM POINT.
EVERY, EVERYTHING FROM WHERE SUNSET, SUNSET DRIVE TO AIRPORT ROAD IS NOT.
ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, EVERYTHING ELSE IS.
SO MAYBE EVEN HIGHER THAN 90%.
WELL THAT IS, IS PROBABLY GOOD.
AND BIG, WELL, BIG PARKS AUDIENCE.
THAT'S O OAK CREEK WATER COMPANY RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA.
I ASKED JOHN AND ANDY THAT QUESTION JUST BEFORE THE SESSION AND THEY, THEY COMMITTED TO LOOKING IN THE STATE NUMBERS AND TRYING TO GET SOMETHING BACK TO ME.
YEAH, I MADE, I MADE A NOTE HERE FOR OAK CREEK USAGE.
WE SHOULD BRING IN THE OTHER COMPANY TOO.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS MY PAGE SEVEN, WHICH WOULD BE THE, OH, YEAH, THEN I, YEAH.
YEAH, THAT ONE, THAT'S MY NOTES ARE GONNA REFER TO THAT PAGE MAYBE.
UH, NO, IT'S, IT'S REALLY WAS JUST PART OF OUR CONVERSATION, THE DRAWDOWN TEST THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
AND I WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT EXACTLY HOW YOU MEASURE THOSE LEVELS AND WHATNOT.
I WON'T BORE MY NON-ENGINEER COLLEAGUES HERE ABOUT HOW WELLS ARE DRILLED AND HOW THEY'RE MEASURED AND STUFF, BUT I WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT
UM, BUT A QUESTION I HAD IS YOU DO THE DRAWDOWN TEST, BUT YOU DO THAT ON A PER WELL BASIS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE EVER RUN NINE WELLS AT YOUR 5 MILLION GALLONS, UH, CAPACITY AND SEEING WHAT THE, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITHOUT ALL THAT WATER
BUT YOU, WE HAVEN'T, THAT'S NOT A A TESTING.
THE PLANNING THERE IS, IS WE, WE'LL GET, DO IT DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY WHEN THE TANKS ARE AT CERTAIN LEVELS THAT WE CAN RUN A WELL FOR FOUR HOURS STRAIGHT, FOUR HOURS IS, IS, IS, IS WHAT WE TRY TO GET.
AND THEN WE TAKE THE PUMPING LEVEL FROM THAT.
AND THEN WE WILL TURN ON ANOTHER WELL TO RUN FOR FOUR HOURS, JUST AS A SIMPLE TERM TO LET IT RUN AND TURN THAT WELL OFF AND LET IT SET FOR FOUR HOURS.
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WITHOUT ANY, ANY USAGE TO, TO, TO GET IT.SOMETIMES IT'S LONGER, SOMETIMES, UH, WE'VE HAD A WELL OFF FOR A MONTH OR TWO DURING HIGH DEMAND AND WE WILL TAKE THAT READING DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH IT MIGHT, MIGHT EVEN BRING IT UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN IF IT WAS ONLY OFF FOR FOUR HOURS.
BUT IT'S A STATIC DYNAMIC TYPE MEASUREMENT.
BUT TO A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER DUNNS AND THE VICE MAYOR'S QUESTION ABOUT THINKING ABOUT OUR FUTURE AND ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, REALLY ABOUT THE FUTURE WATER DEMAND, YOU KNOW, RUNNING THE SYSTEM ALL AT A BIGGER LEVEL MIGHT BE A FAIR TEST OF WHAT THE WHOLE SYSTEM COULD, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO THAT.
I'M JUST THINKING, DOING THE THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS OF HOW WE GET AT WHAT THE FUTURES TURN 'EM ALL ON AND SEE, SEE, SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO, TO THE LEVEL BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE I SEE ME IN JULY.
WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET BACK TO SOME OF THAT QUESTIONS TOO.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'LL DO IT ON A, ON A, UH, YOU KNOW, THEORETICAL BASIS.
THEORETICAL BASIS, AND IT'LL MODEL THAT.
I'LL HAVE SOME COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT.
UH, I A A TANGENTIAL QUESTION RELATED TO THAT EAST SEDONA STORAGE TANK, HOW ARE YOU SEEING CONSTRUCTION COSTS CHANGE? WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH WHAT WE SEE COME IN FOR OUR PROJECTS.
I KNOW YOU'RE STILL OUT TO BID, BUT WHAT ARE YOU ANTICIPATING? SO I DON'T HAVE A, DON'T HAVE A FIRM NUMBER ON THAT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE DO SEE CONSTRUCTION COSTS GO UP OVER TIME.
UH, WE HAVE SEEN SOME, UH, VOLATILITY AND VARIABILITY IN THE COSTS AND, AND CONTRACT DURATIONS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE SAME THING IN PUBLIC WORKS, YOU MAY HAVE ONE, ONE PROJECT COME IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, A LITTLE BIT LOWER, SHORTER TIMEFRAMES, LONGER TIMEFRAMES.
SO I CAN JUST SAY THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF VOLATILITY THERE RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT A LITTLE HIGHER OR LOWER.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT A LOT HIGHER.
SO I'D BE INTERESTED, I'LL BE INTERESTED TO HEAR AND SEE WHAT IT IS.
IT COMES IN WHEN IT'S TIME TO DO.
YOU TALKED, UH, A BIT ABOUT THE FAILING PIPES, LEAKING PIPES IN YOUR PLAN TO DO THAT.
JUST IN A GENERAL SENSE, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS OLDER, IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND MONEY YOU'RE HAVING TO SPEND ON THE SYSTEM INCREASING IN RECENT YEARS, AND YOU'VE PROJECTED THAT OUT.
YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT YOU'VE GOT IT HANDLED GOING INTO THE FUTURE.
I WANTED TO MENTION TO, UH, MY COLLEAGUES, JOHN, YOU HAD SAID, UH, IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP SLIDE THAT, UH, THE PARTNERSHIP WITH NAMU AND THEN WE'RE BOTH ON THE BOARD.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT MY COUNCIL MEMBERS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE COSTS FOR BEING A MEMBER OF NAMU ARE ACTUALLY SPLIT BETWEEN MM-HMM.
THAT'S A UNIQUE ELEMENT OF THE SYSTEM.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE ELSE DOES THAT.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY GOOD PARTNERSHIP.
IT HELPS THE CITY SAVE SOME MONEY.
AND I THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATELY DONE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT STEP IN THE PAST.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WATER TESTING OF THE VARIOUS CHEMICALS.
ARE YOU CURRENTLY TESTING FOR THE PFAS STUFF YOU ARE, COMPANY'S BEEN TESTING PFAS SINCE 2014.
AND, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BREAKING NEWS.
THE, UM, EPA SET A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A TEMPORARY STANDARD, BUT A STANDARD OF OF M MC L OF FOUR PARTS PER TRILLION.
AND I, I GOT THAT, THAT INFORMATION YESTERDAY.
SO E EPA ANNOUNCED, YOU KNOW, HAD THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT YESTERDAY.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW TO UNDERSTAND THINGS IN MORE DETAIL THERE.
AND HOW WOULD THE MEASUREMENTS LOOK TO CO TO THAT STANDARD? SO I CAN SAY COMPANY WIDE, WE DO HAVE WELLS THAT ARE AT, UM, ABOVE OR NEAR SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS, BUT, UM, I DON'T MEAN TO DEFER HERE, BUT THEY'VE EPAS COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT INDICES AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO CALCULATE WHAT THE THRESHOLDS ARE.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROCESS THAT RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE, THESE INDICES HAVEN'T BEEN CALCULATED THAT WAY IN THE PAST.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE CALCULATIONS ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW.
LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THAT AS IT COMES OUT.
THERE WAS LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR AQUIFER AND THE MODELING AND YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT IT.
UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL UNDERSTOOD THAT NAMU IS ALSO INVOLVED IN MODELING.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, NAMU HAS HELPED SPONSOR A FAIRLY RECENT, UH, MODELING EFFORT OF THE REDWALL MUK AQUIFER DID TO GET THAT RIGHT, JOHN.
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT PRONUNCIATION OF THE, THE AQUIFER THAT WE RELY ON, UH, AROUND HERE.
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I'M STILL TRYING MIGHTILY TO UNDERSTAND IT.I HAVE TO EARN MY PHD, UM, TO, TO REALLY DIG INTO IT.
BUT I'M, I'M STILL WORKING ON THAT.
BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME MODELING DONE.
THE STATE REQUIRES GROUNDWATER BASIN MODELING EVERY FIVE YEARS, I THINK IS THE STANDARD.
AND IT'S COMING UP ON THE CYCLE FOR US TO LOOK AT OUR GROUNDWATER SYSTEM AS WELL.
AND I'M SUPER PLEASED TO HEAR THAT ARIZONA WATER ALSO THINKS ABOUT IT AND USES THAT DATA AND DOES ITS OWN ANALYSIS.
AND SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT THING.
I LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING A LOT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT TO YOUR, SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, VICE MAYOR PUG, THE FRIENDS OF THE VERDE MAP THAT COMES OUT AS I SEE IT, THE, THE VERDE RIVER, ESPECIALLY THE UPPER VERDE RIVER BASIN IS IN TROUBLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, OF THAT WHOLE MAP THAT THE FRIENDS PUTS OUT, SEDONA AND THE OAK CREEK IS ABOUT THE ONLY GOOD SPOT ON THE MAP AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, REASSURING TO KNOW THAT.
BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND, UM, TREAT THE VERDE VALLEY.
UH, WELL, UM, SO THERE'S LOTS OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
THE, I'M SUPER PLEASED TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM EFFORTS THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT IN CITY MANAGER.
THAT STAFF IS ENGAGED IN THAT, THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT.
I'M SURE THIS COUNCIL WOULD LOVE TO HEAR, UH, THE RESULTS AND THE PLAN FOR THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UH, MS. ROSSI, YOU WERE MENTIONING, UH, THE EXOTIC SOURCES OF POTENTIAL WATER IN THE GOD AWFUL FUTURE.
AND ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT LOOKING AT THE WATER SPOT, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN COUNCIL MEMBER CUZ.
SO, UH, OF COURSE THERE ARE TRADE-OFFS EVERY TIME YOU GO TO THOSE OTHER ALTERNATE SUPPLY SOURCES, THAT EVEN IF YOU DESALINATE WATER IN THE GULF OR WHEREVER WE'RE GONNA DO IT, THERE'S HIGH HIGHLY CONCENTRATED EFFLUENT THAT COMES OUT OF THOSE PLANTS THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND HOW THAT FLOWS OUT.
AND SO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO LOOKING AT WATER SUPPLY HAS TRADE-OFFS THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT AND NOT JUST LOOK AT ONLY ON A LOCAL BASIS AS WE GO FORWARD.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL AGREE WITH THAT.
UH, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMA UM, THE MANAGEMENT AREAS AND I THINK MS. ROSSI GAVE A, A GOOD SUMMARY OR, OR A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
UH, THERE'S A LOT AND SHE'S RIGHT.
I'VE ONLY HAD THREE MONTHS OF THE CONVERSATION AND SHE SAYS THERE'S 10 YEARS OF CONVERSATION WE COULD HAVE ABOUT THOSE.
UM, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF CRITICISM ABOUT THE AMA SYSTEM THAT EXISTS IN ARIZONA.
UM, AND WHETHER PEOPLE SHOULD EXPAND TO THOSE OR NOT.
ONE OF THE REASONS I ASKED, UM, UH, OUR STAFF TO TRACK ONE OF THE BILLS, THERE'S AN ALTERNATE SYSTEM THAT IS TRYING TO BE WORKED ON IN ARIZONA, AN ALTERNATE TO THE AMAS.
THE LEGISLATION DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE MOVING THIS YEAR.
UM, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY AND LOOK THAT, LOOK AT THAT AND EVALUATE THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T HELP THOSE EFFORTS ONCE WE UNDERSTAND IF IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING OR NOT.
IT SAYS SOME CONSERVATION AREA, WHICH WOULD BE AN OPTIONAL THING, AND IT'S KIND OF FOCUSED ON GROUNDWATER BASINS.
IT'S KIND OF COUNTY DRIVEN AND THE CITIES DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A, A BIG ROLE IN IT MANAGED ON THE BASIN BASINS.
AND I THINK THAT'S, SOME OF THE CITIES ARE OBJECTING TO THE CURRENT LEGISLATION BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF COUNTY DRIVEN, NOT CITY DRIVEN.
UM, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF EFFORT AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRACK, WE'RE TRACKING THAT LEGISLATION, WE PUT THAT ON ON THE AGENDA TO DO THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE MOVING MUCH THIS YEAR.
KAREN, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, OKAY.
I CAN'T WAIT TO ASK THE REST OF THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT I, UH, APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS THAT MY FELLOW COUNCILS MEMBERS ASKED TODAY ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
YOU CERTAINLY RAISED THE BAR FOR ME OF ANSWERS THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND GET AND THINGS THAT WE'LL WORK ON TO UNDERSTAND.
AND I DO APPRECIATE WHAT LOOKS TO BE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WORKING WITH ARIZONA WATER ON THESE ISSUES.
SO I BELIEVE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CAUSE BUT OPEN UP THE PUBLIC SESSION, PUBLIC COMMENT AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, DO WE WANT TO HAVE, UH, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE, UH, THE DAIS? WE'VE ASKED OUR QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYONE MAKE ANY STATEMENTS? UH, YES.
MELISSA, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION BASED ON, OH, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING THE, UM, SORT OF THE CONSUMPTION SURVEY OF WATER HERE IN SEDONA, UH, I WAS JUST WONDERING, BASED ON ALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING,
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UH, HOW GRANULAR ARE YOU ACTUALLY GOING TO GET, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU DO THINGS BY CONNECTION.UM, AND SO THAT'S TOTAL WATER USAGE AT THAT CONNECTION LEVEL IS WHAT I'M ASSUMING.
YOU GO AND YOU READ MY METER AND YOU SEE HOW MUCH WATER I USE, WOULD THERE BE DATA THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT WOULD SHOW US, YOU KNOW, PER CONNECTION, HOW THAT WATER IS DIVIDED, IRRIGATION WATER FEATURES, POOLS, HOME, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE? UM, CUZ THAT REALLY IS THE DATA THAT YOU WOULD NEED IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF CONSUMPTION HAPPENING AT DIFFERENT LEVELS.
SO I'M, I'M SURE THE ANSWER'S NO, BUT I THOUGHT I'D ASK ANYWAY.
WELL, I I'M GONNA ACTUALLY, UH, PROBABLY PUMP THIS ONE TO JOHN, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE MIRRORS THAT CAN BE INSTALLED THAT WILL TRACK THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WATER USES THAT ARE GOING ON INSIDE OF A HOME.
UM, JOHN, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THOSE METERS? I THINK THEY'RE CALLED THE AM I METERS? UM, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DISCERN WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWNSTREAM, BUT THEY CAN'T PICK UP HIGH FLOW AND LOW FLOW, UM, MORE ACCURATELY UNLESS, UH, WE DON'T HA CURRENTLY HAVE THOSE METERS IN OUR SYSTEM.
UM, UM, I, I'M NOT AWARE OF THEM BEING ABLE TO DISCERN WHAT HAPPENS DOWNSTREAM OR WHAT SOMEBODY DOES WITH, WITH, WITH THE WATER AFTER IT GOES THROUGH THE METER.
I GUESS I'M TRYING, UM, I'M REALLY TALKING HORSES NOT ZEBRAS, SO WAY SIMPLER THAN THAT.
SO, UM, I'M REALLY TALKING ABOUT, ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT ACTUALLY WATER USE CONSUMPTION IS HAPPENING AT A PARTICULAR CONNECTION? SO YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHETHER HOW MUCH WATER IS GOING TO THE POOL OR HOW MUCH IS GOING TO WATER FEATURE.
JUST THAT THAT CONNECTION HAS THOSE ELEMENTS AND THAT THOSE ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE USAGE OF WATER AT THAT CONNECTION.
THAT'S ALL I WAS REALLY ASKING.
WELL, WE, WE DO HAVE DW, UH, DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCE CATEGORIES FOR, UM, AND SO IN A, IN A BIGGER PICTURE, WE, WE ALREADY KIND, KIND OF DO THAT.
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS, UM, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS, UH, COMMERCIAL, UM, AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR LIKE THE NEXT LEVEL DOWN AT THIS CONNECTION, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE THESE ELEMENTS THAT USE WATER.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING TE AND, AND ANY OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED IN, HAVE WE, I GUESS, RECEIVED INPUT EITHER FROM THE COMMUNITY ON MAYBE, UH, THINGS THAT ARE TYPICAL IN, IN THOSE COMMUNITIES? I KNOW SOME OF 'EM WE HAVE MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, NEWER SUBDIVISIONS IN THE DESERT AREAS THAT MAY HAVE LOTS OF GRASS IN IN THEM.
HAVE WE DONE ANY, UH, TARGETING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, AND WHAT, WHAT WE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE TAKE A LOOK, WE USE THE ASSESSOR DATA AND WE ALSO USE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE LANDSCAPING, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A POOL.
UM, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, UM, SO WE CAN GET A PERSPECTIVE ON WESTWARD PLUMBING CODES WERE IN EFFECT AT THE TIME THAT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE CAN USE THE ASSESSOR DATA FOR TO HONE IN ON SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, AND, AND THEN I, I, I'M NOT COMING UP WITH THE RIGHT NAME, BUT THERE, THERE ARE THESE SPECIAL METERS THAT CAN BE PUT ON HOMES THAT THROUGH SOME ANALYSIS PROCESS OF HOW LONG YOU, THE WATER RUNS IN A PARTICULAR PART OF THE HOUSE AND, AND, UH, WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF HONE IN ON THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES IF YOU WANNA GET TO THAT LEVEL.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY FINE LEVEL OF, OF DETAIL.
UM, I THINK WE CAN GET TO THE LEVEL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THROUGH AN ANALYSIS OF THE ASSESSOR DATA.
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED WATER 1 0 1.
THIS WAS BEYOND 1 0 1, SO I HAVE TO PROCESS ALL THE INFORMATION.
TERRY, SUE, YOU'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR PARTICIPATING IN ANDY.
AND, AND JOHN, UH, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT AS A CONSUMER OF ARIZONA WATER, AS A CUSTOMER OF YOURS, YOU HAVE EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AND WE DON'T, AND WE DON'T SAY THIS TO ALL OF THE UTILITIES, LOCAL UTILITIES IN TOWN, BUT, UH, I RECEIVED A REALLY EXPLOSIVE WATER BILL ONE DAY AND CALLED THE WATER COMPANY AND SAID, AH, WHAT'S GOING ON? SOMEONE'S STEALING MY WATER.
ANYWAY, YOU GUYS SENT SOMEBODY TO MY HOUSE, THEY LOOKED ALL OVER, THEY FOUND LEAKS IN THE IRRIGATION
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SYSTEM AND THAT WAS ALL, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE SERVICE.AND THE PERSON WAS TERRIFIC AND REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND LOOKED EVERYWHERE AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE IT AND GET BACK TO A NORMAL BILL AND A NORMAL FLOW OF WATER USAGE.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.
AND IT'S, I THINK, UH, IT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND.
THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE WITH US, A PARTNERSHIP AND YOUR SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITY EVENTS.
AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO THIS CONSERVATION EFFORT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE TERRIFIC.
KAREN, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PARTICULARLY GOOD THAT YOU WOULD APPRECIATE THAT
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TODAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL THREE OF YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR COMING IN.
IT'S BEEN SUPER HELPFUL, UH, EDUCATIONAL, VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WELL, THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT ELSE I CAN ADD.
UM, I LIKE THE VICE MAYOR HAVE HAD MY ISSUES WITH, UM, WATER AT MY PROPERTY AND ARIZONA WATER HAS RESPONDED TIMELY AND THEY'VE BEEN AMAZING.
AND I HAVE ASKED THEM QUESTIONS, THE LOCAL PEOPLE QUESTIONS IN THE PAST AROUND HOW I CAN BE MORE CONSERVATIVE IN MY WATER USAGE AND THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD ANSWERS.
SO I I FOR SURE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO.
I REALLY APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE HEADED, UM, AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT SEDONA AS AN INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF JUST PART OF THE BROADER VERDE VALLEY.
WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
KATHY, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN.
I FEEL SMARTER THAN WHEN WE STARTED.
I WILL THROW ONE MORE THING INTO HERE THAT I DIDN'T, HADN'T PREPARED FOR, BUT IT OCCURRED TO ME TO THINK THAT I'VE USED THE CI OUR, OUR CITY'S CITIZENS CONNECT APP FOUR OR FIVE TIMES NOW TO, UH, UH, SPOT WATER LEAKS THAT I'VE SEEN ON THE CITY, AROUND THE CITY.
AND THE PROCESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ALMOST SEAMLESS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
IT, IT GETS TO YOUR DESK AND YOU GUYS DO THE WORK.
THE APP HOWEVER, TELLS US THAT, UH, IT'S NOT THE CITY'S PROBLEM.
YOU REALLY SHOULD REPORT THIS TO ARIZONA WATER, BUT SOMEHOW THEY COMMUNICATE THAT TO YOU.
ANYHOW, I WOULD LIKE THAT PARTNERSHIP TO DEEPEN SOMEHOW A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO OUR RESIDENTS DON'T EVEN SEE THAT MESSAGE THAT WE JUST SAY THANK YOU AND, AND BY CONTINUED I GET THOSE REPORTS THAT IT WAS FORWARDED TO YOU GUYS AND THEN I SEE YOU RESPOND IN.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT SYSTEM WORKS.
UM, IT DOES WORK OTHER THAN, AND I GET MESSAGES FROM YEAH, PUBLIC WORKS OR EVEN FROM KAREN HERSELF YEAH.
THAT, UM, COME FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT THERE ARE EYES AND EARS OUT THERE.
WE, WE DON'T, WE CAN'T SEE THE WHOLE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, AND, AND OUR RESIDENTS DON'T REALLY KNOW OFTEN THAT IT'S YOU SUPPLYING THE WATER AND NOT THE CITY.
AND, AND I WANNA DRIVE PEOPLE TO USING THAT APP.
AND SO THEY HAVE A GREAT CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.
AND THE ONLY NEGATIVE PART ABOUT IT IS JUST THE MESSAGES THAT YOU GET BACK THROUGH THE SYSTEM SAYING IT'S NOT THE CITY'S PROBLEM.
SO, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSIVENESS THAT I'VE SEEN EVERY TIME I'VE USED THAT APP.
SO LET ME GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES.
WE THINK THAT JOHN IS JUST GREAT WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE.
THE PEOPLE AREN'T WORKING UNDERNEATH.
UH, I HAD A, MY BACKFLOW STARTED TO LEAK.
I DIDN'T NOTES IN THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY.
THE GUY READING THE METER CAME AND KNOCKED ON MY DOOR.
HE SAYS, DO YOU REALIZE THAT YOUR BACKFLOW WAS LEAKING? JUST BEING VERY OBSERVANT AND IT WAS REALLY NICE.
AND THE GUY WHO DIGS THE, THE DIRT, WHEN YOU HAVE A LEAK IN THE GROUND ONE, YOU HAVE ONE MAN DOING, AT LEAST IN, YOU KNOW, MY SECTION OF TOWN.
ONE MAN DOES A WHOLE JOB BY HIMSELF.
IT'S AMAZING HOW HARD THEY WORK.
SO GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE ALL AROUND.
I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HERE, THIS IS REALLY, REALLY INFORMATIVE PRESENTATION TODAY AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK WHERE MY MOUSE GO HERE? YEAH.
NO, IT'S JUST NOT COMING UP ON THE, ON THE, ON THE COMPUTER.
FUTURE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS AT LEAST.
AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? SEEING NOTHING ELSE.
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BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE A MINUTE? YEAH.