* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WELCOME EVERYBODY [00:00:01] TO OUR, OUR MEETING TODAY, MARCH 28TH, 2023. PLEASE JOIN ME ON THE, FOR THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IS HANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN LIBERTY. JUSTICE. OKAY, MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE DO THE ROLL AND WE'LL, YOU GONNA DO A MOMENT OF SILENCE OR DO I DO THE WE CAN DO THE ROLL AND THEN WE'LL DO THE MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. MAYOR JALO. PRESENT. VICE MAYOR PLU. HERE. COUNSELOR DUNN. HERE. COUNSELOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNSELOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNSELOR KINSELLA. HERE. COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN I WILL TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE GO. IS IT GOING TO WORK? JOANNE? WE'LL [2. CITY’S VISION] GO FOR THE VISION STATEMENT TO GIVE IT A SHOT. IT'S BEEN VERY TOUCHY LATELY. WOW. THE VISION THE CITIZENS HAVE FOR THE FUTURE OF THEIR CITY IS TO A CITY THAT'S CONSTANTLY VIGILANT, PRESERVATION OF NATURAL SEAT, CHRISTINE ENVIRONMENT AND CULTURAL HERITAGE. TO BE A CITY THAT RETAINS ITS, CREATES ITS MANDATE, ANIMATED IMPROVEMENTS, STRICT HARMONY TO BE A CITY THAT IS ANIMATED BY THE ARTS SPIRIT OF VOLUNTEERISM TO HELP ACHIEVE COMMON GOALS. THE CITY OF OFFERS EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL AND FOSTERS THE SENSE OF CITY THAT WELCOMES AND ACCOMMODATES ALL OF ITS VISITORS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THE SPIRIT OF FELLOWSHIP. IT CAN BE A CITY THAT RETAINS AN APPEARS OF STRONG, VITAL ECONOMY, WHICH PRESERVES EXISTING LIFESTONE FOR US CITY WAS UP, CHALLENGE OUR STEWARDSHIP OF ONE OF EARTH'S GREAT TREASURES. THANK YOU JOY. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE VOLUME. WE'VE BEEN BEEN HAVING SOME TECH TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH THE VISION STATEMENT FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, SO, BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] UH, ITEM THREE, CONSENT AGENDA. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE, OH, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE COUNCIL STAFF OR THE PUBLIC CAN PULL AN ITEM FOR A FURTHER DISCUSSION. UH, ANYBODY WANNA HAVE ANYTHING PULLED TODAY? OKAY, THEN CAN I HAVE THE MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. THANK YOU. TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH E. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. OKAY. UH, CAN WE ALL DO, DO A VOTE TO APPROVE, UH, THE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH E? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? JOANNE? WERE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE NONE. UH, [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER] SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY THE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, OR CITY MANAGER. COUNSELOR KINSELLA. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING A PRESENTATION LATER FROM THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT I WANNA STEAL THUNDER BY BEING PROUDLY SAYING HOW IN THE CATEGORY OF FOOD SAFETY THEY HAVE WON YET AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS IN A ROW. THIS IS THE YA BAI COUNTY GOLDEN PLATE AWARD. AGAIN, THAT'S THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS THE BEST DEAL IN TOWN FOR LUNCH. IF YOU CAN GO THERE AND MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FOR A VERY REASONABLE PRICE, HAVE A WONDERFUL MEAL. SO, THANK YOU TO THE CHEF, THANK YOU TO THE DIRECTOR, UH, FOR ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING THERE, BRINGING COMMUNITY TOGETHER. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR AWARD, PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT KSB IS HAVING ITS ANNUAL AWARDS OF EXCELLENCE CEREMONY ON APRIL 19TH. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GONNA ANNOUNCE THE WINNERS. I KNOW WHO THEY ARE, , BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DARK SKY LIGHTING, CULTURAL HERITAGE, SUSTAINABILITY, COMMUNITY SERVICE, ENVIRONMENTALS STEWARDSHIP EDUCATION. [00:05:01] SO IT SHOULD BE A, A GREAT EVENT, UH, FROM FOUR TO 6:00 PM WEDNESDAY, APRIL 19TH. HAVE THEY ANNOUNCED IT THROUGH THEIR CHANNELS AT ALL? THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF IT. YEP. SO THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT YET. I'VE SEEN ONE, BUT I JUST DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH NAMING THE PEOPLE THAT THIS MOMENT. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. WHAT DO WE HAVE GOING ON, JOANNE? I'M GETTING FEEDBACK. OH, OKAY. DID YOU HEAR IT? I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING ON A, ON, ON FEEDBACK. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, THANK YOU. I KNOW WE ALL LOVE OUR RECYCLE CENTER. UM, THEY HAVE ONE OF THE LEAST GLAMOROUS JOBS IN THE UNIVERSE. UM, BUT I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THE RECYCLE CENTER IS LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS. SOMEBODY WHO'S WILLING NO SET HOURS, NO MINIMUM AMOUNT OF HOURS TO HELP, HELP THE RECYCLE SETTER. HELP US AS PEOPLE WHO RECYCLE, KNOW WHAT TO RECYCLE. THE BIGGEST, ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRAINS ON THE RECYCLE SETTER RESOURCES ARE THOSE OF US WHO MISTAKENLY PUT STUFF IN TO RECYCLE THAT ISN'T RECYCLABLE. THEY HAVE TO PICK IT OUT. THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE DUMP. IT'S NOT LIKE ONCE YOU PUT IT THERE, IT MAGICALLY RECYCLES IF IT CAN'T BE RECYCLED. AND IT CHANGES OFTEN. SO IF ANYBODY ACTUALLY, UM, IS INTERESTED IN BEING A GOODWILL AMBASSADOR FOR EFFICIENT AND RESPONSIBLE RECYCLING, THE RECYCLE CENTER WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. AND IT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL WAY TO HELP THIS GREAT ORGANIZATION AND, AND HELP US AS RECYCLERS RECYCLE RESPONSIBLY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THIS SITE, VICE MAYOR. WELL, I HOPE THAT OUR PARKS AND REC, UH, DIRECTOR WOULD BE IN THE ROOM WHEN I SAY HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA MISS HER. AND SHE IS RESIGNED. AND WHEN IS HER LAST DAY? THIS THURSDAY. THIS THIS THURSDAY? YEAH, THIS WEEK. UH, BUT I WILL MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT EVENTS HAPPENING AT PARKS AND REC. WHOOPS. OKAY. SO THE SEDONA STUMBLE 5K 10 K WILL BE HELD ON THIS SATURDAY COMING UP AT POSSE GROUNDS, AND REGISTRATION IS OPEN THROUGH MARCH 31ST. UH, WE'RE ALSO HOSTING OUR ELE OUR 13TH ANNUAL CELEBRATION OF SPRING ON SATURDAY APRIL 8TH FROM 9:00 AM TO 1:00 PM PART CARNIVAL PART EGG HUNT. A HUNDRED PERCENT FUN. UH, THE EGG HUNT IS FREE, AND THE CARNIVAL THERE IS AN ENTRY FEE OF $5, ALTHOUGH I'M THREE YEARS IN, UP IS FREE FOR CARNIVAL AND ENTERTAINMENT AND PASSES CAN BE PRE-PURCHASE ONLINE THROUGH 6:00 PM APRIL 5TH STORY. TIME IN THE PARK IS WEDNESDAYS AT 10:00 AM AT SUNSET PARK, AND THAT IS FREE, AND IT'S GEARED TOWARDS AGES FOUR THROUGH EIGHT YEARS OLD. ALL ARE WELCOME. AND THAT IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY. AND WE HAVE PICKLEBALL, UH, MONDAYS, TUESDAYS, THURSDAYS, AND FRIDAYS AND SUNDAYS. AND THE SCHEDULE IS ONLINE. YAPPY HOUR IS THURSDAYS FROM 9:00 AM TO 10:00 AM OPEN GYM IS TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS FROM 7:00 PM TO 9:00 PM AT THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL. AND THAT'S A $2 FEE. AND TENNIS LESSONS ARE OFFERED ON MONDAYS OR WEDNESDAYS, A POSSE GROUNDS PARK, TENNIS COURTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL DUNN? NOTHING. OKAY. NOTHING. OKAY. I HAVE A FEW THINGS. UH, I'VE BEEN MAKING IT A, UH, A QUEST OF MINE TO GET OUT AND MEETING, MEET PEOPLE AND CONNECT WITH PEOPLE, MAKE AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS. BUT BEFORE I GET TO THOSE POINTS, I, I WOULD LIKE TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT, UH, IF EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THE FORMER, UH, FOREST SUPERVISOR, UH, LAURA JOE WEST, SHE LEFT MAYBE A YEAR AGO, A LITTLE LESS. WE NOW HAVE A NEW FOREST SERVICE SUPERVISOR NAMED AARON MAY MAYVILLE. UH, HE STARTED A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I'M HOPING TO HAVE A, A MEETING WITH HIM, UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE. UH, COUPLE DAYS AGO, ACTUALLY, TWO WEEKS AGO, I, I MET WITH THE, UH, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION, TANYA LEWIS. I MET HER OVER IN COTTONWOOD, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. AND I, [00:10:01] I OFFERED TO HER, UH, ABOUT A MEETING. AND WE MET OVER AT, UH, THE PUMP HOUSE, UH, FOR BREAKFAST ONE MORNING. AND I GOT TO REALLY APPRECIATE HER AND THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION. UH, MORE CLOSELY RELATED TO SEDONA. UH, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, UH, THE VICE MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER, OUR POLICE CHIEF, AND I MET WITH OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF ADOT, UH, JENNIFER TOTH, TO ALSO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS. AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY DISCUSSIONS WAS, UH, OHVS AND THEM BEING ON OUR ROADS. UH, THEN A COUPLE DAYS LATER, THE VICE MAYOR AND I MET WITH THE US UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN WASHINGTON, DC OVER ZOOM. I WASN'T GONNA FLY TO WASHINGTON, UH, TO ALSO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT, UH, ISSUES WITH, OH, FEES AND THE STANDARDS AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM ON OUR ROADS. AND THEN A FEW DAYS AFTER THAT, THE VICE MAYOR, UH, COUNSELOR, UH, BRIAN, KAREN AND, AND I MET WITH REPS FROM POLARIS TO BUILD AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND LEARNED ABOUT, UH, WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING IN THE FUTURE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW. AND SO I COULD LEARN ABOUT, SO WE ALL CAN LEARN ABOUT THEIR, UH, VEHICLES. AND THERE WAS SOME RECENT LEGISLATION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PASSED OR NOT, BUT IT'S MOVING FORWARD FOR, UH, HEAVIER WEIGHTED A THOUSAND POUNDS HEAVIER OHVS. UH, SO IT'S A CONCERN. SO, UM, I'M GONNA KEEP ON GOING, BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE AROUND THE VERDE VALLEY, UH, WHEN THE ISSUES RELATE ARE RELATED TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND I HOPE TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION I CAN SHARE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS IT FOR, UH, SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS. WE WILL [6. PUBLIC FORUM] GO TO THE PUBLIC FORUM. ITEM SIX. WE HAVE ONE CARD. IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS A CARD TO, THEN YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD. UH, ANYBODY ELSE? HA WE WISHES TO SPEAK. UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. LET'S, UH, HAVE, UH, MARK TIMBROOK. MARK, I THINK YOU KNOW THE DRILL. I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT BY NOW. UH, I FIGURED I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, SO GO FOR IT. ANYWAY. UH, MY NAME'S MARK TIMBROOK. I'M A RESIDENT OF UPTOWN SEDONA, AND I HAVE SOME GENERAL COMMENTS ON TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. UH, THE CITY CALENDAR SHOULD SERVE AS A CENTRAL POINT FOR INFORMING RESIDENTS ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY BEYOND JUST THE CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, CITY COMMISSIONS. I'VE NOTICED THAT PLAN SEDONA MEETINGS ARE NOW INCLUDED IN RECENTLY I'VE SEEN THAT THE STACK, THE, UH, SEDONA TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS INCLUDED IN THE CALENDAR. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ALL COMMITTEE MEETINGS INCLUDE A BUDGET COMMITTEE AND THE SOON TO BE FORM PARKING, UH, STUDY TASK FORCE, ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THE CALENDAR. THE SECOND ITEM IS ENSURING THAT ALL COMMITTEES PREPARE AND PUBLISH THE MEETING AGENDA PRIOR TO EACH MEETING, AND THAT THE MINUTES ARE MAINTAINED AND MADE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AFTER EACH MEETING. I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING RESPONSE FROM CITY STAFF WHEN I FORWARDED THIS SUGGESTION. DUE TO THE INFORMAL NATURE OF THE CITIZEN WORK GROUPS MEETING LOCATIONS ARE NOT DISCLOSED, MINUTES ARE NOT NEEDED, AND THE MEETINGS ARE NOT RECORDED EXCEPT THE PLAN SEDONA GROUP. BY WORKING WITH A GROUP OF CITIZENS OVER SPECIFIC DURATION OF TIME, WE ARE HOPING THAT THE GROUP BONDS BUILDS TRUST AND WORKS TOGETHER TO HELP ADVISE STAFF. HAVING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SITTING IN THE BACK OF MEETINGS CAN BE DISTRACTING, BUT IT IS ALLOWED. SO I BELIEVE IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, ALL SUCH MEETING LOCATIONS AND TIMES AS WELL AS THE AGENDA SHOULD BE PROVIDED THROUGH THE CITY CALENDAR. I'VE HEARD THE ARGUMENT THAT INSTITUTING THESE MEASURES TAKES VALUABLE CITY TIME TO PREPARE, BUT THEY'RE ESSENTIAL TO UNDERSTANDING WHO WAS AT THE MEETING, THE AGENDA ITEMS DISCUSSED, AND WHAT DECISIONS, IF ANY, WERE MADE. FINALLY, THE MINUTES SHOULD INCLUDE ANY ACTION ITEMS AND FUTURE MEETING DATES. THESE MINUTES, AND ANY PRESENTATIONS AND OTHER ITEMS USED BY THE COMMITTEE SHOULD BE PUBLISHED AND MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. I WANT TO THANK ROBERT WEBER, THE TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR WHO ESTABLISHED STACK, AND HE PUBLISHES THE DATES AND TIMES AND THE AGENDA AND MAINTAINS A COMPLETE SET OF MINUTES FOR EACH OF THOSE FOR REVIEW. MR. WEBER ALSO MADE SURE THAT NINE MEMBER, THE NINE MEMBER COMMITTEE, HAD A MIX OF BOTH RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES. IN MY 40 YEARS OF CONSULTING IN SIMILAR MUNICIPAL SETTINGS, I HAVE SEEN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOLLOWING THIS OPEN MODEL AND HOPE SEDONA WORKS TOWARDS INCREASING TRANSPARENCY. SO RESIDENTS ARE BETTER INFORMED, UH, AS TO WHAT ACTION THE CITY IS CONTEMPLATING ON VARIOUS ISSUES. IT'S ONLY THROUGH MAKING SURE THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IS TRANSPARENT AND OPEN, THAT PROBLEMS WITH COMMUNITY CONCERNS REGARDING DECISION MAKING, UH, [00:15:01] PROCESS CAN BE REDUCED AFTER ALL CITY GOVERNMENT'S HERE TO REPRESENT THE BEST INTERESTS OF ALL COMMUNITY RESTAURANTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARK. NEXT I HAVE A CARD FROM JESSICA SIERRA. JESSICA, YOUR, UH, YOUR NAME OF COURSE, AND YOUR, YOUR, THE CITY OF WHERE YOU LIVE IN EDON. HI SIERRA. I LIVE IN SEDONA. AND, UM, SINCE THIS IS PROMOTED AS A DARK SKY COMMUNITY, AND I TALK WITH MAYOR ABOUT THIS AND I KNOW HE'S WORKING ON IT, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO ME THAT WE SEE THE STARS AND THAT, UH, THE ORDINANCE IS UPDATED OR MODIFIED SO THAT, UM, HOUSES THAT ARE EXEMPT AT THIS TIME, UH, CUZ THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN, BE MADE TO COMPLY MORE THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. SO THAT'S REALLY, IT'S JUST A LITTLE REMINDER AND A REQUEST THAT THIS BE LOOKED INTO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JESSICA. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S HEARD. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM. PUBLIC, UH, YEAH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM SEVEN, PROCLAMATION, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. WE HAVE NONE. OKAY. AND REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT. UH, AND JUST TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ITEM C AFTER ITEM A FOR SOME STAFF, UH, ISSUES. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT UP AND WE'LL MOVE ITEM B DOWN ONE. [8.a. AB 2933 Presentation/discussion by Executive Director Marjorie Harris of the Sedona Community Center to provide an update to the City Council on the Community Center’s activities, accomplishments, and general service provision to the community.] SO WE'LL START WITH ITEM A AND, UH, AB 29 33 PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION, UH, BY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MARJORIE HARRIS, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE CITY COUNCIL, TO THE CITY COUNCIL, ON THE COMMUNITY CENTERS, ACTIVITIES, ACCOMPLISHMENTS, GENERAL SERVICE PROVISION, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY. I HOPE YOU'LL BRING A MENU FOR YOUR LUNCH. DARN, I FORGOT IT. MAYOR . I WANNA START A LITTLE ADD-ON THAT I HADN'T PLANNED, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ABOUT THE GOLDEN PLATE AWARD. WE'VE DONE IT THREE YEARS IN A ROW NOW, AND, UH, IT'S JUST, UH, FANTASTIC BECAUSE IT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT IN OUR KITCHEN AND THAT WE'RE KEEPING THINGS SAFE FOR OUR SENIORS. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I'M MARJORIE HARRIS, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT I AM ALSO A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA. VERY PROUD TO BE ONE AND VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. OUR SENIOR CENTER WAS ESTABLISHED 39 YEARS AGO BY, AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHO ACTUALLY PREPARED THE MEALS IN THEIR KITCHENS AND SERVED THE RESIDENTS FROM THERE. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TOO BIG FOR THAT NOW AND, UH, THIS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT WOULD ALLOW IT ANYWAY. SO, UH, WE'RE NOT GOING THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT FIRST ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS A SILVER TSUNAMI. UH, THINGS THAT YOU MAY BE AWARE OF IS THAT ONE IN FOUR AMERICANS IS 60 YEARS OLD OR OVER. AND THE REALLY MIND BOGGLING STATISTIC IS THAT EVERY DAY 12,000 AMERICANS TURN 60. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY MORE PEOPLE THAN LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA TURNED 60 EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY DAY. UH, FAIRLY OVERWHELMING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. ANOTHER STATISTIC IS THAT IT COSTS LESS OR ABOUT THE SAME TO FEED A SENIOR, A HOME DELIVERY MEAL FOR A YEAR AS ONE DAY IN THE HOSPITAL, OR 10 DAYS IN A NURSING HOME. THAT I THOUGHT WAS, IS THAT REAL? I RAN THE NUMBERS USING MY STATS, AND IT'S REAL. SO WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED IS OVER THE YEARS, THAT IF WE PROVIDE SENIORS WITH A NUTRITIOUS MEAL, A BALANCED MEAL AND SOCIAL INTERACTION, THEY'RE MUCH LESS LIKELY TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY'RE MUCH LESS LIKELY TO GO TO A NURSING HOME. SO, LONG TERM IS A BENEFIT TO CITY GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT, AND THAT OBVIOUSLY THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER. IT'S VERY MIND BOGGLING TO ME, AND I'M ALWAYS MORE PROUD EVERY DAY THAT I'M PART OF THIS ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE STEPPED FORWARD OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, NOW THREE YEARS OF THE PANDEMIC. HARD TO BELIEVE. UH, BUT THE DENONA SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER HAS STEPPED FORWARD TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY WITH MEALS AND WITH SOCIAL ACTIVITIES TO GIVE THAT TOUCH SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THEY'RE THERE. UH, THERE ARE THREE PILLARS TO OUR [00:20:01] ORGANIZATION. ONE PILLAR IS THE HOME DELIVER MEALS, WHICH MOST PEOPLE THINK OF AS MEALS ON WHEELS. PROBABLY THE MOST EFFECTIVE MARKETING THING THAT HAS EVER BEEN DONE IN THE UNITED STATES IS THE MARKETING OF MEALS ON WHEELS. EVERY DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, WE PROVIDE A HOME DELIVERED MEAL TO SENIOR RESIDENTS OF SEDONA. AND THAT IS A COMPLETE MEAL. IT HAS, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN COURSE, THE VEGETABLES, DESSERT, USUALLY DESSERTS, FRUIT, BUT IT'S ALSO CAKE AND COOKIES. UH, AND THEY LOVE THAT AND, AND MILK. SO IT'S A COMPLETE MEAL. AND ALONG WITH THAT, OF COURSE, IS THAT, HELLO? HOW, HOW ARE YOU THING THAT HAPPENS, UH, THAT KEEPS THE SENIORS GOING. THEY, THEY GET TO, TO KNOW THEIR DRIVERS. THEY WORRY ABOUT THEIR DRIVERS. SO AND SO DIDN'T COME TODAY, IS HE OKAY? UH, SO THEY WORRY AS MUCH ABOUT US AS WE DO ABOUT THEM. THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO WITH OUR HOME DELIVERY MEAL PROGRAM, WHICH IS UNIQUE TO SEDONA AND IS OUR BREAKFAST CLUB. EVERY FRIDAY WE SEND OUT A BREAKFAST SNACK, WHICH IT CONSISTS OF FRUIT JUICES, FRESH FRUIT, BANANAS, APPLES, ORANGES, COLD CEREAL, DRY CEREAL. SOME WEEKS WE HAVE WAFFLES AND SAUSAGES. OTHER WEEKS WE HAVE A BREAKFAST, A SANDWICH. BUT THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS, HERE'S SOMETHING TO HELP YOU KEEP GOING OVER THE WEEKEND, BECAUSE WE ALL, WE OVER THE WEEKEND, RIGHT? UH, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY DO THIS SERVICE FIVE DAYS A WEEK, CAUSE THAT'S A VERY POPULAR PROGRAM. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE PROVIDE PET FOOD BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT SENIORS HAVE PETS. THEY LOVE THEIR PETS JUST AS MUCH AS ALL OF US LOVE OURS, RIGHT? AND THEY HAVE BEEN KNOWN IN THE PAST TO SHARE THEIR FOOD WITH THE PET. SO NOW WE ARE ABLE TO GIVE THEM, UH, FOOD. AND AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, WE ALSO NOW HAVE A PET HEALTH PROGRAM, VERY UNIQUE, KIND OF A CUTTING EDGE PROGRAM. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS VERY PROUD WHEN I SAW THAT MEALS IN WILLS, AMERICA IS NOW LAUNCHING ALL THIS WEBINARS ABOUT PET HEALTH. AND I'M THINKING, UH, WE'RE ALREADY THERE. UH, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE TRIPS TO THE VETERINARIAN VACCINATIONS, MEDICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO AGAIN, THE SENIORS DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE, DO I GO TO THE DOCTOR OR DOES MY DOG GO TO THE DOCTOR? UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE ARE ALSO PROVIDING, AND WE'RE DOING THAT WITH GRANTS, BY THE WAY. SO WE, WE ACHIEVE GRANTS TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THAT. SO THAT DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE FUNDING, UH, THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA VERY GRACIOUSLY HAS PROVIDED US. SO THAT'S IN ADDITION TO ANOTHER PILLAR WE HAVE IS OUR COMMUNITY MEAL PROGRAM. UH, AS WE, AS KATHY KINSELLA SAID, IT IS PROBABLY THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN SEDONA. IT IS A WONDERFUL FULL COURSE MEAL. YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO COME AND PARTAKE. UH, AND I GUARANTEE YOU IT IS NOT INSTITUTIONAL FOOD. UH, ONCE YOU COME, YOU WILL COME AGAIN AND AGAIN, I GUARANTEE THAT. SO, IT'S, IT'S GREAT. AND OUR THIRD FACTOR THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THIS RESIDENTS OF SEDONA IS OUR SOCIALIZATION FACTOR. AND THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. UH, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, YOU CAN COME AND YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN, UH, TAI CHI, UH, CHIGONG, UH, SOMETHING CALLED WIGGLES AND GIGGLES. AND, UH, IT'S, APPARENTLY IT'S AN EXERCISE PROGRAM THAT THEY DO TO MUSIC. I'VE NEVER HEARD PEOPLE HAVE SO MUCH FUN, UH, IN MY LIFE, AND I OFTEN WISH I HAD, I COULD GO IN THERE AND PARTICIPATE, BUT SOMEHOW THE TIME DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO DO THAT. UH, WE HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED NIA, WHICH IS DANCING AGAIN. UH, ALL SORTS OF SOCIAL ACTIVITIES MAK UH, CARD GAMES. UH, IT MIGHT BE BE OF INTEREST, YOU KNOW, THAT RECENTLY THEY HAVE DISCOVERED THAT CARD GAMES ACTUALLY IMPROVE COGNITION. SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE A, AN IDLE WASTE OF TIME. SO IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN THERE, THEY'RE HAVING FUN, AND AT THE SAME TIME, WHILE THEY'RE HAVING FUN, THEY'RE HELPING TO STIMULATE THEIR BRAIN CELLS. AND I THINK LATELY THAT I NEED MORE CARD GAMES. UH, SO I, I NEED TO GET THAT GOING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALSO ADDED TO THE PROGRAM THAT I THINK THE CITY OF SEDONA SHOULD BE PROUD OF IS OUR CASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM OVER, WE HAVE IN ANY ONE PERIOD OF TIME, 117 TO 120 ACTIVE MEALS ON WHEELS CLIENTS. WOW. UM, IT'S A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND IT FLUCTUATES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY COME, THEY GO FOR VARIOUS REASONS. UM, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A WAY TO HAVE SOMEBODY PUT EYES ON THESE PEOPLE OTHER THAN THE DRIVERS. THE DRIVERS GET TO COME BY AND THEY HAVE THAT, HELLO, HOW ARE YOU? KIND OF THING. BUT THERE'S NO ONE WHO'S BEEN ABLE TO GO OUT AND, AND MEET WITH THE CLIENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE SENIORS ARE OKAY. MANY ORGANIZATIONS RELY ON ORGANIZ, LIKE GROUPS LIKE NACOG AGING, UH, WHICH PROVIDES [00:25:01] CASE MANAGEMENT, BUT I ONLY HAVE 14 OF THOSE PEOPLE IN MY NETWORK RIGHT NOW. SO OEL OVER A HUNDRED OF MY CLIENTS DO NOT GET THAT TREATMENT. SO I RECENTLY HIRED AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S FANTASTIC, UH, BUT SHE, WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAYS, I WANNA GO ON MEALS AND WHEELS, THIS PERSON GOES TO THEIR HOME, MEETS WITH THEM, HAS A DIALOGUE WITH THEM, UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, WHY ARE THEY COMING ON THE PROGRAM, WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? EXPLAINS THE PROGRAM TO THEM. CAN THEY REALLY HEAR, CAN THEY SEE? DO THEY HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES? ARE THERE DANGER ISSUES IN THE HOME? ARE THEY ON WALKERS? AND THEY HAVE THROW RUGS ALL OVER THE PLACE. WHEN MY MOTHER HAD TO GO ONTO WALKER, I LEARNED YOU DO NOT HAVE THROW RUGS ALL OVER THE PLACE. UH, THINGS LIKE THIS THAT THE SENIORS MAY NOT BE EVEN THINKING ABOUT. ARE THERE PETS? DO THE PETS NEED US OR ARE THERE PETS WHO ARE MAYBE A LITTLE DANGEROUS? AND ARE WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THEM SO THAT OUR DRIVERS ARE NOT EXPOSED TO THAT HARM? ARE THERE ESCAPE ANIMALS? WE'VE HAD DRIVERS THAT SPEND PART OF THEIR TIME CHASING AFTER THE ANIMAL . UH, SO ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS THAT CAN BE ASCERTAINED, UH, AND THAT INFORMATION CAN BE SHARED WITH OUR DRIVERS, AND WE ALSO WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT PERSON PERIODICALLY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO IT'S A TOUCH PROGRAM THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND ANYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ANYWHERE ELSE. UH, I'M TAKING TIME TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY SOMETHING YOU NEED TO BE PROUD OF THAT WE HAVE IN SEDONA NOW. UH, AND IT'S, IT'S ONLY GOING TO GROW, UH, AS WE GO FORWARD. LAST YEAR, SO A LITTLE STATISTICS. I KNOW GUYS LIKE STATISTICS. UM, WE SERVED 18,633 MEALS, HOME DELIVERED MEALS. THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER. UH, 18,633. WE HAD OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, 173, WHAT WE CALL UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS. IN OTHER WORDS, 173 INDIVIDUALS. AND AS I SAID, AT ANY ONE TIME IS 117 TO 120 ACTIVE. PEOPLE COME, THEY GO, THEY MOVE OUT OF SEDONA, THEY PASS ON, UH, THEY GO TO ASSISTED LIVING. AND UH, SOMETIMES THEY JUST COME ON FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME. THEY'LL BREAK AN ARM, BREAK A LEG, SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN, HAVE SURGERIES, THEY'LL COME ON, THEY'LL BE A CLIENT FOR A WHILE AND THEY'LL GO AWAY. SO THERE IS A CONSTANT COMING AND GOING. THIS YEAR WE'RE ON TRACK TO MEET OR EVEN EXCEED THAT NUMBER. UH, A WEEK DOES NOT GO BY WHEN I DO NOT GET ONE, TWO OR THREE CALLS FROM SOMEBODY IN OUR AREA SAYING I'M INTERESTED IN THE MEALS AND WHEELS PROGRAM. OR A LOT OF TIMES I'LL GET CALLS FROM KIDS OUTSIDE. YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN WASHINGTON, MY MOTHER AND DAD LIVE IN SEDONA. I NEED SOMETHING TO HELP THEM OUT. SO I GET A LOT OF THOSE KIND OF PHONE CALLS. WE ALSO SERVED A COURSE, AS I SAID, BREAKFAST CLUB. WE HAD 55 INDIVIDUALS WHO OPTED INTO THAT PROGRAM DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. ABOUT HALF OF OUR GROUP IS ALWAYS ON BREAKFAST CLUB. SOME OF THE SENIORS WILL GET REALLY UPSET IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEY DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA GET THEIR BREAKFAST CLUB. IT'S LIKE, WHERE'S MY WAFFLES? . UH, SO THAT'S VERY BIG. WE ALSO SERVED IN OUR DINING ROOM, 3,659 MEALS. IT'S A GOOD NUMBER OF MEALS. UH, AND WE HAD 90 UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS COMING TO OUR DINING ROOM. THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT IS CONSTANTLY GROWING NOW, BECAUSE WE WERE CLOSED FROM MARCH OF 2020 TO APRIL OF 2022, WE CONTINUED TO SERVE MEALS, RIGHT? WE CONTINUED TO SAVE, SERVE, HOME DELIVERED MEALS, AND TO GO MEALS. BUT OUR COMMUNITY PROGRAM AND OUR SOCIAL ACTIVITIES, OBVIOUSLY WERE PUT ON HOLD. SO THESE, THAT PROGRAM IS, OUR COMMUNITY LUNCH PROGRAM IS IN A REAL REBUILD MODE. BUT EVERY DAY IS GROWING. UH, AND IT'S KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE AT ONE POINT WE SET FOUR PEOPLE TO A TABLE BECAUSE OF ALL THE, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIONS THAT WE WERE LIVING WITH. THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WALKED INTO SENIORS LOVED TO BE TOGETHER. AND THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WALKED INTO THE ROOM, I HAD TWO TABLES, SIX WERE AT ONE TABLE AND NINE WERE AT ANOTHER. AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA DO. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. UH, SO THERE IS A GROWING COMMUNITY, A GROWING HAPPINESS. UH, I ONLY HA I HAVE FOUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. NINE, UM, PART-TIME. THE HEART OF MY ORGANIZATIONS, MY KITCHEN. MOST OF MY EMPLOYEES ARE THERE. I HAVE 65, 80 VOLUNTEERS. AND I WANNA END ON THAT PART. WE NEED AND LOVE VOLUNTEERS. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AND INVITE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE COUNCIL OR IF YOU'RE BACK HERE BEHIND ME. HELLO . [00:30:01] UH, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ALL OF YOU ONE TO COME TO THE CENTER. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE 60 TO COME IN AND EAT. WE'LL, WE'RE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN COME AND EAT, UH, BUT YOU'RE INVITED TO COME PARTAKE IN OUR MEAL, UH, OBSERVE OUR ACTIVITIES. MAYBE YOU WANNA VOLUNTEER. THERE WAS A CITY OF SEDONA EMPLOYEE WHO VOLUNTEERED IN OUR DINING ROOM. SHE HAD A GREAT TIME. THE SENIORS HAD A GREAT TIME WITH HER. SHE WAS IN A YOUNGER AGE GROUP THAN THEY ARE, AND THEY KIND OF ENJOYED THAT INTERACTION. UH, BUT PLEASE COME, PLEASE SEE US, UH, CITY COUNCIL. I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS COME AND MEET WITH THE SENIORS. I'LL INVITE YOU TO ALSO THINK ABOUT VOLUNTEERING IF YOU CAN FOR MEALS ON WHEELS DRIVERS. WE ALWAYS NEED THOSE. AND I'D LOVE TO INVITE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO COME AND RIDE ALONG ON A MEALS ON WHEELS RIDE. UH, IT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE. UH, YOU'LL LOVE IT. THE SENIORS LOVE IT WHEN SOMEBODY IS VOL IS WRITING ALONG AND THE DRIVER GETS THERE AND THEY SAY, OH, HERE'S, HERE'S MAYOR JLO. UH, HE'S WRITING WITH ME TODAY. AND, UH, THAT'S JUST THRILL OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, WOW, THIS IS TERRIFIC. SO I INVITE YOU TO, TO DO THAT AND GIVE US A CALL AND WE'RE THERE FOR YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. RIGHT BEFORE YOU LEAVE, BEFORE YOU STEP DOWN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS MYSELF, AND MAYBE MY COUNSELORS, UH, WOULD ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT, OKAY. UH, A COUPLE, I DON'T KNOW, YEARS AGO, LONG TIME AGO, I WAS LIAISON FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER. AND I'LL NEVER FORGET THOSE DAYS, BUT ONE OF THE POINTS THAT STUCK IN MY MIND WAS THAT PEOPLE WERE TELLING ME THAT SOME OF THE ONLY INTERACTION THAT OUR SENIORS HAD WERE FROM THE MEALS ON WHEELS. MM-HMM. . AND WHAT YOU PROVIDE AS A SERVICE IS REALLY A LIFELINE, NOT ONLY JUST TO FOOD, RIGHT. BUT THAT COMMUNICATION. AND I DON'T, NO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MENTIONED IT AT ALL DURING I WAS LISTENING FOR IT. I I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, UH, ALL AROUND. AND IT'S THE ONLY COMMUNICATION SOME PEOPLE HAVE. YES. SO I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND ALSO, DO YOU STILL HAVE TO CALL AHEAD FOR A LUNCH? YES, WE ARE STILL DOING THAT. UH, WE ASK THAT YOU CALL BY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO EAT IN THE FACILITY, WE ASK THAT YOU CALL BY 8:00 AM THAT DAY. UM, BUT I'LL BE HONEST, I ALWAYS BUILD IN A COUPLE OF EXTRA. SO IF SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNCIL GROUP WERE TO CALL IT NINE, I THINK I CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. SO, BUT YEAH, WE DO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET BACK INTO THE STRIPE. BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, MAYOR, THAT WE ARE FREQUENTLY THE ONLY ONES, UH, THAT IT'S SAD TO EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT THESE PEOPLE INTERACT WITH. AND SOMETIMES WHEN THEY CALL IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, I'LL HAVE, I'LL HAVE 10, 15 MINUTE CON CONVERSATION WITH THEM, UH, JUST BECAUSE I, I CAN HEAR THAT THEY WANNA DO THAT. SO WE'RE ALWAYS, IT'S MY PASSION, OUR LOVE, AND MY WHOLE GROUP IS LIKE THAT. YEAH. SO, THANK YOU. SO, AND THEN LUNCH IS WHAT TIME? LUNCH IS NOON. WE START AT 12. SO, UH, AND IT'S SERVED JUST LIKE IF YOU WERE IN A RESTAURANT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP. IT'S NOT CAFETERIA OR ANYTHING. YOU SIT AT THE TABLE AND SERVERS COME AND THEY BRING IT AND THEY PICK IT UP. AND IT'S JUST LIKE BEING IN A, IN A RESTAURANT, UH, SITUATION. I'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF FRIENDS OF MINE THAT THEY'VE GONE AND THEY SAID IT'S REALLY GOOD FOOD. SO VERY GOOD FOOD. IT'S A VERYS A GREAT KITCHEN. OUR CHEF IS A CHEF. HE IS NOT A COOK. HE IS A CHEF. . WELL, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO. THANK YOU. AND I'M GONNA QUITE A BUSY LATELY, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO DO A RIDE ALONG. I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE DOING THAT. SO, GREAT. THANK YOU. I'LL BE IN TOUCH. I HAVE YOUR NUMBER, SO, RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OF THE COUNCILS WANT TO SHARE? COUNCIL KINSELLA? UM, FIRST I JUST WANTED SAY I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF BEING THE COUNCIL'S LIAISON TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND IT'S TRULY ONE OF THE JOYS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE GET TO HEAR A LOT OF STUFF UP HERE FROM THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY'RE UNHAPPY. BUT HERE'S A PLACE THAT'S ACTUALLY SERVING MORE THAN FOOD, BUT ALSO JOY COMMUNITY. YES. CONGREGATE SETTING. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY, IT'S A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE THERE. SO, THANK YOU. UM, YOU HAVE OTHER FACILITIES AND YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PROGRAMS, BUT YOU ALSO, UH, HAVE SPACE AVAILABLE FOR RENTAL FOR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY BE LOOKING TO HAVE MEETINGS OR A WEDDING EVENT OR SOMETHING. YOU HAVE GORGEOUS SPACE THAT CAN BE USED INSIDE AND OUT. COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? YEAH, WE DO. UH, WE HAVE, WE WILL ACTUALLY CATER SO THAT WE, WE DO PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND OUR CHEF PREPARES THE MEALS FOR THAT. UH, WE HAVE SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT, THAT DO PARTAKE OF THAT. UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE GOING TO DO A CAREGIVER'S DAY, UH, WITH ONE OF THE HOSPICES, UH, MAY 6TH, WHERE THE HOPE, THEY'RE GONNA RENT THE WHOLE FACILITY. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP THING. AND WE'RE GOING TO, UH, PROVIDE FAC ACTIVITIES FOR CAREGIVERS, [00:35:01] UH, WHO ARE ONE OF THOSE OVERLOOKED GROUPS. AND SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN CAREGIVERS. I HAVE BEEN, AND IT'S A VERY HARD THING TO DO. BUT YES, WE WILL RENT, UM, THE, OUR SPACE, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ROOMS THAT WE DO THAT. AND, UH, WE HAVE, WE'RE UPGRADING OUR, UH, IT, UM, TECHNOLOGY SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO MORE THINGS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOT ALL THIS NEW SUPER DUPER EQUIPMENT THEY WANT WHEN THEY COME TO SEE US. BUT WE RAN HOMEOWNERS, UH, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS. UH, ACTUALLY I HOSTED TODAY A NONPROFIT MEETING FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. OH, WOW. UH, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, I THINK IS GONNA START USING OUR FACILITY MORE AND MORE. UH, SO YES, WE ARE THERE. GIVE US A CALL, UM, AND, UH, WE WILL SEE WHAT WE HAVE, UH, AVAILABLE TO HELP YOU. SO THANK, AND THOSE ARE THE REVENUE STREAM HELP OFFSET SOME OF YOUR COSTS AS WELL. SO IT'S ALSO A GOOD THING THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN DO TO SUPPORT THE CENTER, RIGHT? YES, IT IS. PLUS IT'S A NICE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SAY, AND I DIDN'T SAY, IS THAT ONE OF MY GREAT PRIDES, UH, FOR BEING HERE IN SEDONA IS THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA IS A SUCH A STRONG SUPPORTER OF US. I WILL TELL YOU THAT WITHOUT THE CONTRACT, QUITE HONESTLY, WITHOUT THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA, I, WE COULDN'T MAKE IT. AND I, WHENEVER I GATHER WITH MY COLLEAGUES, CAUSE I HAVE A LOT, YOU KNOW, I I'M PART OF THE WHOLE NETWORK AND I HAVE MANY FRIENDS WHO ARE EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEY'RE VERY JEALOUS OF THE FACT THAT I SAY YES. AND I HAVE A STRONG WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND A GREAT CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND THEY'RE ALWAYS LIKE GRUMBLING . BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE DO ALL THE, THE, UH, FUNDRAISING ACTIVITIES, DONATIONS, TAX CREDITS, AND TO YOUR POINT, UH, WE, WE DO THE ROOM RENTAL AND EVERYTHING, BUT I, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WHENEVER I'M OUT THERE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, SEDONA, I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME WHAT A GREAT ORGANIZATION WE HAVE AND WHAT A GREAT CITY THIS IS. THIS IS A WONDERFUL GIVING, LOVING COMMUNITY. I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER THAN TO BE HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNSELOR. THANK YOU MAYOR MARJORIE, THANKS FOR BEING HERE AND THANKS FOR BRINGING SOME OF YOUR BOARD ALONG, UH, WITH YOU. I JUST WANTED TO HELP YOU, UH, RECRUIT, UH, VOLUNTEERS, DRIVERS. I DID TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO ON A, ON A RIDE ALONG, THANK YOU COUNSELOR KK, FOR HELPING TO ARRANGE THAT. UM, BUT WHAT STRUCK ME THE MOST WAS YES, HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO THE SENIORS. WHAT STRUCK ME THE MOST WAS HOW IMPORTANT IT ALSO WAS TO THE DRIVERS. YES. BUT RELATIONSHIPS THAT WERE BUILT THERE WERE JUST AMAZING TO SEE. SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. THEY, THEY LOVE IT. AND I DRIVE FAIRLY OFTEN ACTUALLY. AND, UH, I'VE GOT TO KNOW THE SENIORS AND, UH, IT, IT MEANS A LOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY CALL, I KNOW WHO THEY ARE. SO THAT'S KIND OF COOL. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I'M JUST REALLY EXCITED ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM AND ABOUT, I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO URGE PEOPLE, MEALS ON WHEELS IS A INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTEER AND DO SOMETHING VERY, VERY MEANINGFUL. AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS, IN THIS CITY TO REALLY HELP PEOPLE OUT AND HELP YOURSELF OUT , BECAUSE I THINK IT IS VERY REWARDING. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. HI. THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE TWO COMMENTS. ONE IS THAT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S HAD SOME MEDICAL ISSUES, INCLUDING LOSING HER SPOUSE AND BREAKING HER ARM. AND SHE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME, AND SHE REALLY WASN'T, HAD NEVER AVAILED HERSELF OF YOUR SERVICE. THEN SHE LEARNED ABOUT TWO ORGANIZATIONS. ONE WAS THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, AND ONE IS COMMUNITY CENTER. THEY HAVE MADE, IT HAS BEEN LIFE CHANGING FOR HER. SERIOUSLY. SHE NOW CAN GET RIDES TO HER MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS OF WHICH SHE'S HAD MANY AND ALSO HAVE FOOD DELIVERED, RIGHT. BECAUSE WITH A BROKEN ARM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE FOOD. AND, UH, AND SHE, AND THE FOOD IS DELICIOUS. SHE LOOKS FORWARD TO IT. MM-HMM. , SHE HAS A A LOT OF FRIENDS. SO THE SOCIAL SOCIALIZATION PART IS NOT WHAT SHE NEEDED, BUT THE CARE THAT SHE HAS RECEIVED HAS JUST BEEN AMAZING. AND SO I, I WANT TO TAKE HATS OFF TO BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WHICH WE FUND THROUGH THE CITY. RIGHT. AND, AND THE SECOND THING IS THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW, I'M THE LIAISON TO THE SEDONA [00:40:01] HERITAGE SOCIETY. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THE SEDONA HERITAGE SOCIETY HAS UTILIZED THE SERVICES OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS A CATERER, RIGHT? YES. AND SO I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF EATING SOME OF THE DELICIOUS FOOD. I MEAN, IT IS REALLY TOP NOTCH. IT IS. AND SO IF, AND IS A VERY WELL PRICED, SO FOR OTHER NONPROFITS, UH, IT'S A, A VALUABLE SERVICE. SO IT'S A MUTUAL BENEFIT FOR BOTH ORGANIZATIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THANK YOU. AND WE CERTAINLY ENJOY WORKING WITH, WITH THAT ORGANIZATION. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GREAT. THANK YOU. MELISSA. I'M NOT SURE WHAT I CAN ADD TO ALL THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID, , EXCEPT I'M PROBABLY GONNA GO HOME AND SEE IF I CAN GET GEORGE, MY HUSBAND TO VOLUNTEER AS A MEALS ON WHEELS DRIVER. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, IF HE'S WATCHING , HE IS NOW ALERTED . UM, I, I THINK THAT IT'S, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN ANY COMMUNITY TO, UH, NOT FORGET ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FORGOTTEN. AND, UM, I JUST, WE JUST LOST A FRIEND, UM, SUDDENLY. AND WHEN WE WENT TO HIS MEMORIAL, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND OUT WAS THAT HE WAS LONELY, WHICH WE DIDN'T KNOW. WE LIVE VERY FAR AWAY. UM, AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE WHO, EVEN WHEN THEY'VE WANTED TO BE ALONE, THEY WEREN'T BIG SOCIAL BUTTERFLIES. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING ALONE AND BEING LONELY. YES. AND, UM, IN A COMMUNITY SUCH AS OURS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL THINK ABOUT GIVING FORWARD AND NOT JUST THINK ABOUT, UM, GIVING FOR THE HERE AND NOW. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. THAT'S VERY TRUE, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, MARJORIE, THANKS FOR COMING ALONG WITH YOUR STAFF AND BOARD TODAY. APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. THE, UH, THE MAYOR AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT THE PET CARE PROGRAM VIA THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION. AND, UH, IT, IT WAS QUITE A DISCOVERY IN A SENSE BECAUSE AT FIRST WE WERE LIKE, WELL, WHAT, WHAT'S IT HAVE TO DO WITH PETS? RIGHT? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, PEELED BACK THE LAYERS OF THE ONION AND LEARNED ABOUT WHY IT MATTERS, JUST LIKE WHAT YOU DESCRIBED. SO, UH, A VERY INNOVATIVE INITIATIVE. I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, ARE YOU STAFF BOARD? WHAT, WHAT'S ON YOUR HORIZON? IS THERE ANY OTHER IDEAS YOU'RE PERCOLATING RIGHT NOW OF THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO? WELL, YEAH, I'M ALWAYS PERCOLATING IDEAS, UH, , WHICH MY BOARD KNOWS, UH, . SO, YOU KNOW, I, RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT REALLY AT A POINT WHERE I WANNA FORMULATE THAT PUBLICLY. BUT YES, I AM. I'M WANTING TO DO THE, THE OTHER DAY I TOLD MY TEAM, BECAUSE I VIEW MY STAFF AND MY VOLUNTEERS ARE MY TEAM. WE ARE A TEAM. WE REALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT BEING TEAM, BUT WE'RE A TEAM. WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE. NOBODY CAN. UH, AND I TOLD THEM THAT WHAT I WANT, HERE'S WHAT I WANT FOR THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER. AND THEREFORE FOR SEDONA, I WANT TO BE THE MODEL OF WHAT EVERY SENIOR CENTER, EVERY COMMUNITY CENTER WANTS TO BE WHEN THEY GROW UP. UH, AND I WANT TO BE THE, I WANT US TO BE THE ONE THAT THEY LOOK TO, AND THEY SAY, THAT'S HOW IT GETS DONE. THAT'S HOW YOU TAKE CARE OF A COMMUNITY. SO I'M ALWAYS LOOKING OVER THE WALL AND SEEING WHAT'S NEXT, WHAT'S NEXT. UH, AND I WELCOME IDEAS, UH, AS YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE AND, UH, YOU'RE MEETING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE MAYOR AND EVERYBODY MEETS YOU MEET OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. IF YOU HEAR TIDBITS OF THINGS THAT YOU THINK ARE INTERESTING, I WANNA HEAR IT. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THAT. SEDONA CAN DO IT. I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE 100%, I HAVE, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE JANUARY 4TH, 2022, AND I HAVE THIS PASSION FOR SEDONA. AND I, I PLAN, AND MY BOARD DOESN'T KNOW THIS, BUT I STARTED PLANNING TO BE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER IN APRIL OF 2020. UH, SO I'VE BEEN STRATEGIZING SINCE APRIL OF 2020. SO, UH, AND THAT'S A FACT. AND SO I'M JUST WANT TO HELP THE ORGANIZATION GROW, AND I WANT TO BE A PART OF MAKING THIS THE BEST POSSIBLE. GREAT. AND ONE OTHER QUESTION. HOW IMPORTANT IS YOUR, UH, PHYSICAL LOCATION? DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME FOR LUNCH? ARE THEY, DO THEY WALK? ARE THEY ALL DRIVING? LIKE, HOW IMPORTANT IS WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED YOUR CURRENT FACILITY? I THINK TRANSPORTATION IS A CHALLENGE FOR US. I, NO, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING IN. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVING IN. UM, YOU KNOW, AND [00:45:01] SO I, I, WE NEED TRANSPORTATION. UM, AND I KNOW THAT'S A CHALLENGE. IT'S A CHALLENGE IN OUR MORE RURAL AREAS, WHICH WE ARE. UM, SO BEING PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WITH SENIORS WHO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING, BUT THEY ARE, UH, AND THEIR ABILITY TO GET TO THE CENTER. SO SOMETIMES THAT IS THE IMPEDIMENT. SOMETIMES PEOPLE GO ON MEALS ON WHEELS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO GET TO THE CENTER. IN REALITY, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM BEING AT THE CENTER, HAVING LAUNCHED THERE, PARTICIPATING IN A SOCIAL ACTIVITY THERE, BUT THEY CAN'T PHYSICALLY GET THERE. UH, SO THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM FOR US. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LAUNCHING A MICROT TRANSITS THANK YOU SERVICE, UH, HOPEFULLY LATER THIS YEAR IF THE SUPPLY CHAIN DELIVERS. SO NOT SURE IF ROBERT WEBBER'S HEARING THIS RIGHT NOW OR IF HE'S GOING UHOH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A, A VALUABLE ASSET FOR THE FOLKS. AND I ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THIS WITH A FORMER MAYOR, UH, AND TOLD HER THAT A YEAR AGO THAT THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM, UH, FOR US. IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO SEDONA, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE, WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT THEM. UH, THE FACT IS WHAT SEDONA HAS THIS CHALLENGE AND, YOU KNOW, SO LOCATION, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S AN ILIA LOCATION, OBVIOUSLY. UM, SPRING BREAK KILLS US, RIGHT? 89 A BACKS UP. UH, BUT YES, IF I, IF THERE WAS SOME WAY THAT WE COULD GET TRANSPORTATION THAT WAS AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE, THAT THE SENIORS COULD UTILIZE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF MESA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO RIGHT NOW, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY USED TO HAVE THIS SERVICE WHERE A MINI BUS WOULD LIKE, COULD COME AND PICK YOU UP. AND I KNOW THAT'S A BIG CITY AND, AND ALL OF THAT, BUT JUST SOMETHING ON THAT KIND OF ORDER WHERE YOU, IT COULD GET, THE SENIOR COULD GET TO IT WITHOUT A LOT OF MOBILITY ISSUES AND GET THEM TO US. SO THEY'LL BE BETTER IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO. IF I CAN GET A PERSON OUT OF THEIR HOME AND INTO THE CENTER AND INTO THAT SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT, THEY'RE GONNA DO SO MUCH BETTER THEN THEY'RE GONNA DO AT HOME. BUT IF I CAN'T GET THAT, THEN WHATEVER I CAN DO FOR THEM AT HOME, THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT. SOUNDS LIKE AN INTERESTING, UH, CONSIDERATION WHEN WE DISCUSS THE FINAL PRICING FOR THE, UH, MICROT TRANSITS. WE CAN'T DISCUSS THAT NOW. I KNOW. THAT'S WHY I SAID IT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING ADDITION TO THAT CONVERSATION. I KNOW KURT'S OVER THERE KEEPING US STRAIGHTEN THERE. EXACTLY. FEEL THE GAZE. . MARJORIE, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING TODAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, [8.c. AB 2934 Discussion/possible action regarding the approval of a Resolution approving a Land Lease Option Agreement and a $300,000 financial contribution in the form of a loan to The Villas on Shelby, LLC, for a LowIncome Housing Tax Credit (LIHTC) application at 2250 Shelby Drive.] AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE UP, UH, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, UH, AB 29 34 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING A LAND LEASE OPTION AGREEMENT, UH, AND A $300,000 FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION AND A FORM OF A LOAN TO THE VILLAS OF SHELBY LLC FOR A LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION AT 2250 SHELBY DRIVE. AND I BELIEVE SHANNON'S AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE, WHEREVER SHE IS. I DON'T KNOW. YES, SHE'S ON A TEAM. I CAN, NO, I COULD BARELY, YEAH, IF I PUT MY GLASSES ON, I, I DON'T LIKE TO WEAR THEM, BUT THERE YOU GO, SHANNON. OKAY. SO IT, SHANNON WILL PRESENT, UM, ON YOUR OWN, OR IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO, CAN YOU HEAR US, SHANNON? YES. ARE YOU READY? I'M READY. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MY WEISER COUNSELORS. UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, LAST DECEMBER, THE CITY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AT 2250 SHELBY DRIVE FOR THE PURPOSE OF HOPEFULLY, UM, DEVELOPING SOME AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING. UM, THE PARCEL WAS IDENTIFIED FOR DEVELOPMENT DUE TO THE WALKABILITY AND PROXIMITY TO SUNSET PARK, UM, THE RECREATIONAL TRAILS NEAR, NEARBY AND UP FOR AMENITIES. UM, IT'S ALSO LOCATED IN THE SUNSET COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA, WHICH ALLOWS FOR BUILDINGS UP TO FOUR STORIES HIGH AND ADDRESSES THE COMMUNITY PLAN GOAL OF DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS BY SUPPORTING AND ENCOURAGING THE DEVELOPMENT OF MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING WITHIN THE CFA. UM, JUST PRIOR TO CLOSING ON THE LAND, I WAS CONTACTED BY A REPRESENTATIVE OF HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, UM, REGARDING A PARCEL THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN. THEY WERE, UM, TAX CREDIT DEVELOPERS CURRENTLY WORKING IN FLAGSTAFF AND HAD AN INTEREST IN THIS PARCEL, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS NOT ZONED FOR MULTI-FAMILY AND DUE TO THE LENGTH OF OUR REZONING PROCESS, WOULD NOT HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THE, UM, LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN FOR THIS YEAR. UM, SO AT THAT TIME, I LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE SHELBY DRIVE PROPERTY, AND WE DISCUSSED [00:50:01] WHETHER THE 30 UNIT PROJECT WOULD REALLY BE, UM, COMPETITIVE FOR A LITECH APPLICATION. SO, UM, HS DEVELOPMENT, KIND OF LOOK THAT OVER, DETERMINE THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN GOING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. SHANNON, CAN I INTERRUPT A SECOND? CAN YOU SHARE YOUR SCREEN SO WE CAN SEE THE PRESENTATION? UM, NO, , I'M WORKING ON JUST A SECOND HERE. OKAY. JOANNE COOK, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE THOSE SLIDES? I CAN SHARE IT. YOU, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU NEED TO HAVE ME ADVANCE IT. WE'LL TRY IT. SURE. JUST THE FIRST ONE FOR NOW IS GOOD. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO THE PROPOSED PROJECT, THE VILLA IS ON SHELBY, UM, WOULD BE A THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING WITH 30 UNITS ALL AFFORDABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 60% AMI, UM, AREA MEDIA INCOME. UM, AT THIS TIME, THE REQUESTED CITY CONTRIBUTIONS WOULD INCLUDE UP TO A 75 YEAR GROUND LEASE AND A $300,000 LOAN TO THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IN EXCHANGE, THE FILL IS ON, SHELBY WOULD PAY 50,000 UPFRONT FOR THE RIGHT TO LEASE THE VACANT LAND AND INSTRUCT THE IMPROVEMENTS UPON IT AND $1,200 ANNUALLY THEREAFTER FOR RENT. UM, IF THE TAX CREDITS ARE AWARDED OTHER DIGA INCENTIVES, UM, SUCH AS THE, THE REDUCED SETBACKS AND PERMITTING FEE WAIVERS MAY BE PROVIDED. UM, JOANNE, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE DESIGN WON'T ACTUALLY BE FINALIZED, UM, UNTIL AFTER WE KNOW IF THE TAX CREDITS ARE AWARDED. BUT THIS IS, UM, TENTATIVELY OUR DESIGN THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH HERE FOR THE BUDGET AND PROFORMA CALCULATIONS NECESSARY TO GET TO THE APPLICATION STAGE. UM, OOPS. I THINK I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, LITECH IS A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE FUNDING SOURCE. UM, IT'S ADMINISTERED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, BUT IT IS FEDERAL FUNDING. UM, THE APPLICATIONS ARE ANNUAL AND THEY'RE DUE ON APRIL 3RD THIS YEAR. UM, AND THIS CYCLE, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING EXPECTS TO AWARD, UM, ONE PROJECT IN EACH COUNTY BEFORE ANY COUNTY IS AWARDED A SECOND PROJECT. UM, THE SCORING RUBRIC IS, UM, BASED ON 200 POINTS. UM, HS DEVELOPMENT HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MAXIMIZING THE SCORING. UM, WE'RE UP TO, I THINK ABOUT 185 POINTS. DO YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPERS ALSO JOINING US VIRTUALLY, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM SPECIFICALLY? UM, ONE OF THE SCORING ITEMS UP TO 15 POINTS ARE AWARDED FOR LOCAL SUPPORT. SO THE REQUESTED $300,000 LOAN TO THE PROJECT, AND THE GRAVELS WOULD ACHIEVE THE FULL 15 POINTS IN THAT CATEGORY. SO THOSE ARE CRITICAL TO THE, THE SCORING OF THE PROJECT. UM, THE OTHER SCORING ITEMS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DEVELOPER EXPERIENCE, THE AFFORDABILITY COMMITMENT, WHICH THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO THE MAXIMUM AFFORDABILITY AT 30 YEARS. HI, UM, THE POPULATION SERVED ENERGY EFFICIENCY, PROXIMITY TO AMENITIES, ET CETERA. UM, SO AT THIS TIME, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER ME OR THE DEVELOPER, THANK YOU, SHANNON, ANYTHING FROM THE COUNCIL? ANYTHING FROM THIS SIDE? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. SHANNON, COULD YOU REPEAT THE NUMBER OF POINTS, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF POINTS? SURE. THE MAXIMUM IS 200. UM, THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW LOOKS LIKE IT'LL SCORE ABOUT 180 5. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU JUST CAN'T SORT OF DOUBLE SCORE ON. SO, UM, WE'VE REALLY MAXED OUT A NUMBER OF POINTS THAT THAT COULD BE OBTAINED AT THIS APPLICATION. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND ARE THERE ANY COMPETING PROJECTS IN YAVAPAI COUNTY? BECAUSE THIS IS IN YAVAPAI? YES. UM, YES, THERE DEFINITELY ARE. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHICH ONES ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS POINT, BUT I BELIEVE CAMP VERDE HAS A PROJECT AND PRESS KIT. THANK YOU SHANNON. BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, SHANNON, THIS [00:55:01] PROPERTY IS IN THE, UH, THE SUN SHELBY SUNSET, UH, CFA, UH, WHICH INCORPORATES, UH, A HIGHER BUILDING ENVELOPE. WHAT, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THIS AREA? I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. I WANNA SAY IT'S MAYBE 47 FEET. UM, IT IS FOUR STORIES, UM, BUT WE'VE ONLY PROPOSED THE THREE STORY PROJECT HERE. UM, THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL SITS, UM, A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN SOME OF THE ONES WHERE FOUR STORIES WERE DEMONSTRATED IN THE CFA. ANY PARTICULAR REASON FOR THAT? OF, OF WHY NOT GOING FOR FOUR STORIES ON THIS ONE? THIS ONE IS ONLY PROPOSED TO BE THREE STORIES. YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND. BUT IF THE AVAILABLE HEIGHT WOULD ALLOW FOR A FOURTH STORY, I'M JUST ASKING WHY WE DIDN'T CHOOSE TO GO AHEAD AND, AND MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY. UM, PRIMARILY JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD GET A PROJECT THROUGH. I DIDN'T WANT THE PROPOSAL FOR FOUR STORIES TO PREVENT THE PROJECT FROM HAPPENING. AND WE'RE ON KIND OF A TIGHT TIMELINE WITH THE TAX CREDIT APPLICATION, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO SORT OF OF TRY THIS TWICE. OKAY. EXCUSE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ALSO, UM, MY NAME IS BONNIE HAR. I'M WITH HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS. UM, THE SITE IS, IS, UH, VERY SMALL. IT'S 1.13 ACRES. THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UH, WE'RE MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS, AND IF WE ADDED ADDITIONAL UNITS WITH THE FOURTH FLOOR, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THOSE. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? NOPE. NOPE. OKAY. UM, ANY DISCUSSION, MR. PUBLIC FORUM? I GOOD. THANK YOU. WE'RE, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS, JOANNE? I DON'T THINK YOU DO EITHER. I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY GET UP, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE A QUESTION. NO, MA'AM. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY, GO AHEAD. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. SHANNON. UH, IT, THIS PROJECT WHERE IT'S SITUATED DOES NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE VIEW SHED FOR ANYBODY ELSE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? UM, NO RESIDENCES THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO. OKAY. I JUST WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP THE, THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS. ANY ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AND HASN'T FILLED OUT A CARD? NO. OKAY. THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND NOW, UH, WE'LL GO AGAIN FOR, UH, ANY COMMENTS, DISCUSSION, I SHOULD SAY. SORRY, I'M BACKTRACKING TO A QUESTION ACTUALLY OF A QUESTION. OH, THAT'S FINE. UM, SO THIS IS FOR HS DEVELOPERS AS A PARTNER, CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF A, OF A PROJECT THAT YOU'VE DONE IN A NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY, PLEASE? YES. UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PROJECT, UM, WHICH WAS AWARDED THE SAME TYPE OF CREDITS IN 2021, UH, IN FLAGSTAFF. UM, THAT'S A 76 UNIT, UH, PROJECT. UM, THAT'S ON SOUTH LAKE MARY ROAD, UH, CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, PENDING PROJECTS HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT IN YAVAPAI COUNTY? NO, WE DO NOT. AND IN COCONINO COUNTY, OTHER THAN THAT ONE YOU MENTIONED, THAT'S ALREADY UP AND RUNNING OR IN A CONSTRUCTION? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW, BO EVEN DISCUSSION, UH, BUT EVEN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, SO GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANNA, UH, THANK SHANNON AND STAFF AND THE DEVELOPERS FOR, YOU KNOW, MOVING A PROJECT LIKE THIS FORWARD. IT LOOKS VERY INTRIGUING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT COME THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND US ENGAGING IN IT. UH, UH, VERY MUCH. UH, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, I AVAILED MYSELF THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO STAFF WITH MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, AND I JUST WANTED TO REMARK, UM, THAT, UH, I WAS VERY GLAD TO SEE, UH, SOME DORMANT PROJECT LANGUAGE IN THE CON IN THE CONTRACT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY ARE INTERESTED IN PROJECTS LIKE THIS MOVING, UH, AND NOT JUST AN OPPORTUNITY EXISTING. SO THAT WILL BE, UH, IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND FURTHERMORE, FOR ME, UH, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO GATHER MORE DATA ABOUT WHO'S THERE AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF JOBS THEY'RE WORKING AND HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE MAKING. AND I, UNDER SHANNON, [01:00:01] UH, CONFIRMED THAT BECAUSE IT'S A FEDERAL PROJECT, WE'LL GET MUCH MORE ACCESS TO THAT KIND OF DATA, UH, THAN WE HAD IN SOME OTHER PROJECTS IN OUR, IN OUR TOWN. SO THAT'S SUPER, UM, DEVELOPERS KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WE'RE GONNA BE VERY INTERESTED IN GE ENGAGING THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. UH, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING IT. UM, AND THEN I HEARD ONE THING THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO ENGAGING PERHAPS AT THE RIGHT TIME IN THE FUTURE ABOUT THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. AND PERHAPS THAT'S AN OPEN AREA OF TOPIC THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT RELIEVING THOSE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. PERHAPS IF THAT ENDS UP HELPING THE DEVELOPER, UH, EVEN MORE, UH, MAKING THIS PROJECT COME FORWARD. SO KAREN MIGHT WANNA RESPOND. MM-HMM. . YEP. THANK YOU. UM, COUNCIL FURMAN, THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD POINT BECAUSE OUR DIGA, OUR DEVELOPER INCENTIVES GUIDELINES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALREADY ALLOWS FOR WAIVERS OF CERTAIN THINGS OR MODIFICATIONS TO REQUIREMENTS LIKE PARKING FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING. YEP. GREAT. SO MAYOR, OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SURE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE JUST SORT OF A GENERAL COMMENT. UM, I AM DELIGHTED AND I AM THRILLED FOR US TO BUILD SOMETHING, UM, AND, AND FINALLY GET SOMETHING OUT THERE FOR, FOR, UH, OUR WORKFORCE. AND, UM, I'M VERY EXCITED AND THANK YOU SHANNON. AND, AND THANK YOU TO THE DEVELOPERS AS WELL. OKAY. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON? YEAH, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING BUILT BY, FINGERS CROSSED, OF COURSE IT HAS TO BE FUNDED. I WANNA THANK SHANNON WHO BRINGS, COMES TO THIS PROJECT WITH HER SUCCESS IN HAVING A COTTONWOOD PROJECT APPROVED, UM, THROUGH THIS SAME PROJ PROGRAM. SO I AM REALLY EXCITED THAT WE HAVE A TEAM THAT CAN, CAN PULL THIS TOGETHER. AND I'M DOUBLY, I AM REALLY THRILLED AT THE RENTS FROM $535 A MONTH TO THIR TO $1,113. THOSE ARE TRULY, TRULY AFFORDABLE RENTS FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN, AND I WANT THIS THING TO HAPPEN. SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. EXCUSE ME. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL HAVE A MOTION. VICE MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 20 23, 10 10 RELATED TO THE APPLICATION BY VILLAS ON SHELBY LLC FOR COMPETITIVE 9% TAX CREDITS AND APPROVE THE ASSOCIATED LAND LEASE OPTION AGREEMENT AND $300,000 FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION IN THE FORM OF A LOAN TO THE PROJECT. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY, ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NOPE. UNANIMOUS. GO FOR IT GUYS. GET THIS AWARD. JANET, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ANOTHER GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING RIGHT ALONG TODAY. THIS IS PRETTY GOOD. OH, YOU JUST JINXED IT? YEAH, I'M KIDDING. . WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THE NEXT ONE SO I SEE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UM, YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE DO THE FINE, LET'S DO IT THOUGH. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO BE SURE. I'M JUST NOT USED TO SEEING THE SUN SHINING OUTSIDE AND WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG. OKAY. ALL THE DAYS ARE GETTING LONGER. YEAH, IT'S NOT THAT THE MEETINGS ARE GETTING SHORTER. . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, AB 29 20 [8.b. AB 2920 Discussion/possible action regarding approving a Settlement Agreement with Tlaq Partners, LLC to acquire necessary right-of-way and to resolve other claims for the SR179 Pedestrian Crossing at Oak Creek.] DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ELECTION REGARDING APPROVING A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE LAKA PAKE PARTNERS LLC TO ACQUIRE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY AND TO RESOLVE ANY, UH, OTHER CLAIMS FOR THE SR 1 79 PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK, ANDY AND TEAM. YEAH, SO BOB'S ACTUALLY, UH, GONNA GIVE THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER. ALL RIGHT, BOB, GO FOR IT. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU. TONIGHT. UH, MY NAME'S BOB WELCH. I'M AN ASSOCIATE, UH, CITY ENGINEER WITH PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, REAL QUICKLY WE'LL MOVE ALONG. THIS IS HAS TO DO WITH THE ACQUISITION OF RIGHT OF WAY AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STATE ROUTE 1 79 PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK. AND I HAVE JUST A FEW SLIDES FOR YOU TONIGHT. THE FIRST ONE, UH, I'M OUTLINING THE TEMPORARY USE AND RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. SO IN, [01:05:01] UH, ON THIS GREEN HERE, YOU'LL SEE FOR RIGHT OF WAY AN AREA IDENTIFIED A SHARED YOUTH PASS RIGHT OF WAY IN BLUE, AND THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS AREA HERE. AND THEN FOR, FOR TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT, THAT AREA IS HIGHLIGHTED IN PINK THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER OF THIS ILLUSTRATION. HERE WE ARE DEALING WITH, UH, THREE PROPERTIES, UM, TWO SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND, UH, ONE COMMON INTEREST AMONG ALL THREE. UH, THE ONE, THE, UH, TWO PROPERTIES ARE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED UNDER ONE PARTICULAR PARCEL AND ASSOCIATED WITH TALK HOCKEY PARTNERS. AND THE LAST PARCEL LOCATED DOWN HERE IN THIS TRIANGLE IS ASSOCIATED WITH HRT SLASH SEDONA LLL C. UM, BOTH PARTIES HAVE COMMON INTEREST IN TAKA POCKEY, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT CENTERS ON THE, THE, UH, PATHWAY ITSELF AND IS WITHIN THE PROPERTY FOR LACOCK PARTNERS, THAT IS ROUGHLY 2,790 SQUARE FEET. AND THAT SAME AREA, WE HAVE ROUGHLY 10 OR 9,927 SQUARE FEET OF TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT. AND ASSOCIATED WITH THE HRT SEDONA LLC, WE HAVE JUST SIMPLY A SMALL AMOUNT OF TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT THAT IS ROUGHLY 1,569 SQUARE FEET. UH, SOME OF THE, UH, PROVISIONS OF THE AGREEMENT THAT, UH, IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH THE TAKING AND DAMAGE OF TREES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. THE ARCHED ENTRANCE AT THE EAST EAST DRIVE, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY NOT SHOWN ON THIS DRAWING, BUT THE EAST DRIVE COMES IN SOMEWHERE IN THIS AREA HERE, AND A WATER METER LE RELOCATION THAT IS APPROXIMATELY IN THAT SAME LOCATION WHERE MY POINTER IS, AS WELL AS PRESERVING PARKING AND DRIVE AISLES THROUGHOUT THIS LOCK PA IN THE AREA OF THE PROJECT. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT TO THE PARKING OR DRIVE AISLES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. UM, IT IS JUST A PROVISION THAT LOCK POCKET WOULD LIKE TO SEE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT. UH, GETTING TO THE TREES, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TREES ON THE PROPERTY. UH, AGAIN, THE, THE PROPERTY LINE THAT, UH, DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN A OT AND LACAK IS THIS LINE RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE TREES ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS LINE. UH, THE, A OT RIGHT OF WAYS IS FAIRLY WELL PRESENTED BY THIS, THIS AREA HERE. THE REMAINDER OF THIS AREA OUTSIDE TO THE LEFT IS TO LOCK OF P**I. UH, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TREES OF DIFFERENT SIZE THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THE PROJECT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, HINDERED. UH, IT IS THE INTENT OF THE PROJECT TO PROTECT TREES IN PLACE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE MAY BE IMPACTING SOME OF THE TREES. UM, SOME OF THAT WILL HAVE TO COME AS A RESULT OF THE CONSTRUCTION THE AGREEMENT PROVIDES FOR AN ARBORIST THAT IS, IS MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH PARTIES. UM, AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE CON CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR HIMSELF IS REQUIRED TO HAVE HIS OWN ARBORIST DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, OVERSEEING THAT WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONTRACTOR. AND I'M SURE PAC WILL HAVE THEIR OWN ARBS. SO I, I VENTURE TO SAY THAT PROBABLY THREE ARBORISTS WILL BE INVOLVED AT SOME LEVEL THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT. UH, BUT AGAIN, THE TREES ARE VALUABLE. IT IS OUR INTEREST TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, THEY ENHANCE, IN OUR OPINION, THE PATHWAY AND, AND THE LOOK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS PATHWAY. UM, AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. SO, UH, ON THIS MAP, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TREES THAT ARE SHOWN. UH, YOU CAN SEE IT ALSO ON THIS MAP. THERE IS A, UM, AN OVERFLOW CHANNEL THAT WE'RE CONSTRUCTING. THIS HELPS US OFFSET THE FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION IMPACT THAT WE'RE HAVING. UM, BASICALLY THIS CHANNEL BRINGS US BACK DOWN TO A FLOODPLAIN IMPACT OF, OF ZERO. SO THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE FLOODPLAIN ELEVATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. UH, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEANDER THIS CHANNEL SLIGHTLY AS WE NEED TO DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. SO FOR THE MOST PART, THAT'S HOW WE'LL HANDLE HOW, HOW WE MANAGE TO GET AROUND MOST OF THESE TREES. UM, IN BLUE, KIND OF BLEW OUTLINE DOWN HERE. LOOKS PURPLE. REALLY. UH, THIS ACTUALLY IS A ORDINARY HIGH WATER MARK ASSOCIATED WITH OAK CREEK. SO THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE, UH, NORMAL FLOW, UH, THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SEE IN THAT STREAM, NOT ASSOCIATED WITH FLOODING, BUT NECESSARILY NECESSAR UNNECESSARILY, BUT, BUT NORMAL HIGH WATER FLOW THAT'S WITHIN THE STREAM. UM, BECAUSE FLOODING SEEMS TO BE A MATTER OF RECENT [01:10:01] WEEKS, WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO DELVE INTO THAT AREA AND ARENA AND EXPECTING TO SOME EXTENT SOME QUESTIONS IN THAT RE REGARD. SO WHAT I'VE SHOWN YOU HERE IS A, UM, SCHEMATIC OF, OF THE PATHWAY. AND I, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO LOOK AT, BUT YOU'LL SEE OR UNDERSTAND. BUT UP, UP HERE IS THE BRIDGE DECK. AND THIS IS NOT FULLY THE BRIDGE CROSS SECTION AS IT GOES FROM EAST TO WEST ACROSS THE CREEK, BUT ONLY A SHORT SPAN. SO THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE SPANS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRIDGE. WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS ILLUSTRATION IS JUST THE FIRST BAND THAT COMES OFF THE WEST ABUTMENT, WHICH IS TOWARDS THE POCKET, POCKET SIDE OF THE RIVER. UM, IN RED HERE IS APPROXIMATE ELEVATION LOCATION OF THE PATHWAY. THIS IS THE BRIDGE ABUT MI IF YOU'RE UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE EVER. AND YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO LOOK AT, UH, THAT, THAT'S THAT BIG MONOLITHIC, UH, STONE, I THINK, UH, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING THAT THEY'VE USED THERE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME STRU SUB-STRUCTURE HERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FOUNDATION OF THIS APARTMENT. UH, THIS IS THE SLAB AND THESE ARE DRILLED SHAFTS. UH, AND THIS IS SOME GROUNDED DRIP WRAP. HOWEVER, GETTING TO THE CRUX OF THINGS, YOU CAN SEE HERE WE'VE SHOWN THE TWO YEAR WATER SERVICE ELEVATION AS IT RELATES, UM, ACROSS THIS SECTION. AND IT'S BELOW THE PATHWAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THIS CASE, ABOUT TWO FEET. THE PATHWAY'S GOT A VARIABLE ELEVATION, SO IT, IT'S, IT ROUGHLY GOES FROM FROM 41 90 DOWN TO 41 88. SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIP IN THERE TO ALLOW FOR DRAINAGE COMING UP, COMING ACROSS A LOW POINT. UH, MOVING ON UP, YOU CAN SEE THE 10, 10 YEAR WATER SURFACE ELEVATION THAT'S SHOWING HERE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S STARTING TO INUNDATED PATHWAY. IT'S ABOUT A FOOT, FOOT AND A HALF. WE'RE ALSO SHOWING WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, THE 22ND WITH FLOODING THAT TOOK PLACE. THAT'S THIS LINE RIGHT HERE. AND THAT, THAT FLOOD FROM LAST WEEK WOULD'VE BEEN INUNDATED PATHWAY, ROUGHLY FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE FEET. AGAIN, IN SOME PARTS IT WOULD'VE BEEN LAST ONE AND A HALF FEET, BUT THE LOWEST POINT IS GONNA BE FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE, FIVE FEET. AND THEN MOVING ON UP, HERE'S THE 50 YEAR, UH, WATER SURFACE ELEVATION AND THE, AND THE A HUNDRED YEAR WATER SURFACE ELEVATION. UH, JUST SOME QUICK DATA. MARCH 22ND, OUR PEAK FLOW WAS 17,500 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND. THIS WAS MEASURED AT THE U S GS GAUGE STATION, WHICH IS ABOUT 250 FEET DOWNSTREAM FROM THE BRIDGE, UM, RELATIVE TO A 10-YEAR FLOW. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WAS WELL ABOVE THE 10 YEAR FLOW OF 9,930 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND, BUT BELOW THE 20,770 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND ASSOCIATED WITH THE 50 YEAR FLOW. SO IT'S ROUGHLY SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THERE. CALL IT A 25 YEAR EVENT, UH, AND WELL BELOW THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOW. AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE FOR YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANKS, BOB. UH, ANYONE ON THIS SIDE? WANNA START RIGHT NOW? OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? ANY QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR, BOB, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THEY THINK BUILDING THE UNDERPASS WOULD BE, WOULD BE, UM, PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE WE'VE JUST HAD ALL THESE MAJOR FLOODS. DO YOU HAVE ANY HISTORY OR ANDY OF FLOODING IN THIS AREA? AND DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHETHER THE, THE RECENT FLOODING HAS CHANGED YOUR MIND IN ANY WAY? ANDY, WHY? I'LL LET YOU LEAD OFF WITH SOME OF THE HISTORY ON, ON THE, UH, FLOODING HERE MORE THAN I, SO CAN I BORROW YOUR MOUSE THERE? I'VE GOT THE U S G S CHART PULLED UP RIGHT NOW. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANDY. IN THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE HAD, AND I, I'M JUST PICKING KIND OF AN EVENT THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT WOULD BE, UH, EXCEEDING OUR PATHWAY. SO IF YOU CONSIDER 5,000 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND, THAT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND A TWO YEAR DESIGN STORM. AND IN THE PAST YEAR THAT'S BEEN EXCEEDED TWICE, UH, TWICE. AND BOTH TIMES WERE IN THE PAST RECENT STORMS. UH, THE STORM ON MARCH 22ND AND THE STORM ON MARCH 15TH. SO JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THE PAST YEAR, UM, THAT'S HAPPENED TWICE. ONCE. THE DURATION THAT EXCEEDED 5,000 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND WAS ABOUT A DAY. AND THE OTHER EVENT IT WAS, IT WAS A MATTER OF HOURS. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE PRETTY RARE EVENTS. [01:15:01] THE INTENT BEHIND THE DESIGN OF THIS PATHWAY WAS THAT WE ELEVATE IT TO A POINT WHERE IT'S ONLY EXCEEDED IN A RARE EVENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD RECENTLY, AND THAT IT'S FOR SHORT DURATION. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME IT WILL NOT BE UNDERWATER. UH, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS THAT THE DESIGN INCORPORATES MATERIALS LIKE CONCRETE THAT WILL WITHSTAND FLOODING, UH, IMPACT LOADING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS THAT THIS IS NOT AN UNCOMMON THING. IF YOU LOOK ATHAR USE PATHS THROUGHOUT THIS STATE, UH, TUCSON, PHOENIX, MANY AREAS OF ARIZONA, IT'S, IT'S A COMMON THING THAT PATHWAYS ARE BUILT UNDER BRIDGES. UM, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN TO MENTION OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A PATHWAY EXPERIENCE, BRINGING IT CLOSE TO THE CREEK IS, UH, PART OF WHAT MAKES IT ENJOYABLE. MM-HMM. , UM, AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO KEEP THE ENTIRE PATHWAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OUT OF FLOOD, UH, PRONE AREAS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS. IT DOES HELP. THANK YOU. OKAY, KATHY, STICKING WITH THAT THEME ABOUT THINGS WE HEAR AND SEE FROM THE PUBLIC AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS WE GET, UH, WE SEE COMMENTARY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BUILD IT UNDERNEATH IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE ACT GRADE CROSSING MM-HMM. , BUT IN THE DOCUMENTS CLEARLY IT STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT DOING THE ANALYSIS ABOUT THE ACT GRADE CROSSING SIGNALIZATION OF POTENTIALLY A Z CROSSWALK. UM, THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, A LOT, THIS IS AN A OTS, UM, JURISDICTION, BUT YOU'RE ACTIVELY WORKING TO LOOK AT THESE AND, AND IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT WE, WE GET THE UNDERPASS COMPLETED AND ACTUALLY HAVE DOCUMENTATION ON USAGE THAT THAT MIGHT BE A COMPELLING FACTOR TO ADOT IN TERMS OF FURTHER LIMITING THE ACADE CROSSING? I DO THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING ADOT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN CONSIDERING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, ADOT IS MORE LEANING TOWARDS THE IDEA OF CLOSING THE CROSSING. BUT WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS AND MEETINGS WITH ADOT PERSONNEL AND REVIEWED, UH, TRAFFIC DATA THAT WE'VE, WE'VE PRODUCED. UM, THIS WAS SOMETHING WE SHARED WITH COUNSEL ABOUT A YEAR AGO MM-HMM. IN DETAIL. AND WHAT THAT ANALYSIS SHOWED WAS THAT IF WE TOOK THE CROSSING OUT TODAY, WHILE IT'D BE HARD FOR A LOT TO UNDERSTAND IT, UH, IT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE CONGESTION WORSE. AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT IT, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE METERING EFFECT THAT, UH, THE CROSSING HAS ON VEHICLES NORTHBOUND ENTERING THE Y INTERSECTION. SO UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO COMPLETE SOME OF THE DOWNSTREAM, UH, IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION, THE, UH, NORTHBOUND 89 A, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW, UNTIL THOSE ARE COMPLETE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO REALIZE BENEFITS THAT WE WOULD HAVE FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, HEAVILY RESTRICTING THE ACCURATE CROSSING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED TO AID ABOUT, UH, AID OUT ABOUT, EXCUSE ME, AND, UM, AND SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU BET. MY OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF WHEN IT HAPPENS AND THE RESTRICTION ON THE RATE OF FLOW OF THE CREEK GOING THROUGH THERE, AGAIN, THAT WOULD, WILL YOU BE BUILDING A COFFER DAM OR SOMETHING LIKE WHEN WORK IS DONE? AND HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WILL IMPACT? CUZ THERE ARE CREEKSIDE PROPERTIES FURTHER DOWN AND FURTHER UP AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANNA PUT THE PUBLIC AT EASE THAT, YOU KNOW, RATES OF FLOW THAT THAT'S TEMPORARY DURING CONSTRUCTION. AND IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK TO WHAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED, PLEASE. RIGHT. SO IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BE IN TUNE WITH AS WE WORK THROUGH CONSTRUCTION. ONE THING TO KNOW ABOUT OAK CREEK IS THAT THE, THE FLOOD CONDITION THAT, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN ORDER TO, UM, TO GET FLOODS IS A, IS A SNOW PACK IN THE UPPER BASIN. SO REALLY WHAT WE LOOK AT FOR FLOOD CONDITIONS ON OAK CREEK IS A WINTERTIME TYPE STORM EVENT. LUCKILY, GIVEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PROJECT IN THE [01:20:01] NEAR FUTURE, THE MAJORITY OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE DURING THE, THE SUMMERTIME. SO THAT, THAT'S NOT THE WORST CASE FOR OAK CREEK. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T HAVE FLOOD CONDITIONS, BUT, UM, THE INTENT IS TO PROTECT THE CREEK AT ALL TIMES. AND IN, AND ONE THING THAT BOB WAS POINTING OUT EARLIER IS THAT THERE WILL BE A RELIEF, UH, UM, CHANNEL BUILT THAT WILL OFFSET THE, THE IMPACT ON THE FLOODPLAIN. SO THAT IS A SAFETY MEASURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING. THIS IS THE, THE MAP THAT HE WAS SHOWING EARLIER. THAT'S A CHANNEL THERE. IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S CONSIDERED A, A CONVEYANCE EXCHANGE. SO THE IMPACT ON CONVEYANCE THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR NEW PATH IS OFFSET BY THE REDUCT OR THE, THE REDUCTION IN CONVEYANCE BY OUR PATH IS OFFSET BY THE ADDITIONAL CONVEYANCE OF THE NEW CHANNEL THERE. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, UH, DOING IN ORDER TO OFFSET ANY KIND OF NE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE FLOOD PLANE. THANK YOU. YOU BET, PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. ANDY, I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE FOR YOU TO BE IN A ROOM WITH THREE ARBORISTS ARGUING OVER TREES, AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE STAFF AND NOT ME. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, QUESTION I HAD, BACK TO THE SLIDE OF THE WATER ELEVATION, JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON SOME OF WHAT THE OTHER COUNSELORS HAVE ASKED. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT WATER ELEVATION IS AND HOW QUICKLY IT RECEDED BELOW THE HEIGHT OF THE WALKWAY? I DO CURRENT, UM, HEIGHT. THIS IS GAGE DEATH, UH, GAGE. I I DO NOT, BUT OH, WELL THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, WE, WE KNOW IT RIGHT NOW. IT'S FLOWING, UM, BEFORE THIS PIER ONE. SO IT'S, IT'S ROUGHLY, UH, 41 82. THAT AND THAT WOULD YOU TALKING ABOUT? YEP. THE CURRENT, THAT'S THE CURVE FLOW IN THE SCREEN. OKAY, GREAT. AND FROM YOUR OBSERVATIONS, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW QUICKLY IT RECEDED BELOW THAT PROPOSED HEIGHT? SO IT WENT FROM FULL HEIGHT, I'M TRYING TO GET THIS THING TO COOPERATE HERE. LET'S SEE. SO WHEN I TALKED ABOUT 5,000 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND EARLIER, IT WENT FROM A FULL HEIGHT, UH, THERE WE GO, 6:00 AM TO 5:00 PM FROM 6:00 AM TO 5:00 PM IS HOW LONG IT TOOK TO RECEDE FROM FULL PEAK FLOW DOWN TO THAT 5,000 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND. IT'S, IT'S PRETTY QUICK ACTUALLY. AND GIVEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SIX DAYS OUT NOW AND IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW, SO MM-HMM. THOSE IN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN NEVER PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE BEHAVIOR OF THE STREAM IS SUCH THAT IT CLEARS RELATIVELY QUICK IN THE EVENTS THAT WE TYPE TEND TO SEE. RIGHT. SORRY FOR ASKING YOU THE LAST MINUTE QUESTIONS THERE, BUT THANKS FOR HAVING THE ANSWERS. NO PROBLEM. THANKS. ALRIGHT, JESSICA, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, MAKE TWO OF THINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT THE PATHWAY IS BEING BUILT SO THAT IN THE EVENT OF FLOOD, NOTHING IS DAMAGED, IT'S NOT WASHED AWAY, NOTHING IS DESTROYED. I'M PUTTING WORD I'M ASKING. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SO THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE BUILDING A NURSERY SCHOOL IN A FLOODPLAIN THAT'S GONNA FLOOD. THIS IS A PATH THAT'S BUILT. WHEN IT FLOODS THE WATER, IT'S CLOSED OUT, PEOPLE CAN'T ENTER IT, THE WATER RISES. THE WATER FALLS, THEN IT'S OPEN AGAIN AND PEOPLE CAN USE IT. SO NOTHING IS DESTROYED BY THE FLOOD. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. OKAY. ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS SOMETIMES YOU'LL BUILD AN IMPROVEMENT TO BE WHAT'S CALLED A BREAKAWAY TYPE. MM-HMM. TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT. THIS IS NOT BUILT IN THAT WAY. THIS IS BUILT TO BE DURABLE TO WITHSTAND, UM, IMPACT LOADING AND, AND, UH, FLOOD CONDITIONS. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, FOR ME, SIMPLE IS BETTER. WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT. THE WATER'S NOT GONNA HURT IT, NOTHING'S GONNA BE WASHED AWAY, THE WATER GOES DOWN, IT CAN BE USED AGAIN. THAT'S IT. IT'LL DEFINITELY BE USABLE. WILL WE NEED TO MAKE SOME MINOR IMPROVEMENTS OVER TIME? YES, VERY LIKELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE SECOND THING I REALLY, UM, WANT TO SORT OF, I HEARD YOU SAY, I HEARD YOU SAY IT MANY TIMES THAT [01:25:01] THE HEARTFELT BELIEF THAT THE CROSSWALK IS THE CAUSE OF CR TRAFFIC CONGESTION AT TO LOCK OF P**I IS NOT BORNE OUT BY EV ANY STATISTICS, ANY STUDIES, OR ANY EVIDENCE. IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT I WOULD SAY IT, IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON CONGESTION. OKAY. IT IS NOT THE MAIN CONTRIBUTOR TO CONGESTION WHEN YOU CONSIDER NORTHBOUND STATE ROUTE 1 79. OKAY. THE MAIN CONTRIBUTOR TO THAT FROM, FROM OUR STUDIES IS THE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS IN THE SHENA HILL ROUNDABOUT. OKAY. SO THAT, OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF MAKE, MAKE THAT SECOND POINT CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT, IS NOT THE SINGLE-HANDED CAUSE OF THE CONGESTION. AND, AND I, I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS PRETTY OFTEN THAT ARE, THEY, THEY LIVE LIKE IN THE SOUTH PART OF 1 79, AND THEY ARE SO CONVINCED BECAUSE THEY DRIVE THAT CORRIDOR ON A DAILY BASIS THAT THE, THE CROSSWALK IS THE ISSUE. RIGHT. AND, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS WHY THEY THINK THAT IS BECAUSE AS YOU'RE TRAVELING NORTHBOUND, AS SOON AS YOU CROSS THE CROSSWALK, 1 79 OPENS UP INTO TWO LANES. RIGHT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE FREEFLOW TRAFFIC AFTER THE CROSSWALK MM-HMM. . BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR MIND IS SHOWING YOU IS THAT NOW THAT IT OPENS UP, THAT MEANS THE CROSSWALK MUST HAVE BEEN THE ISSUE. AND, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE FIND. SO THAT YOU SEE SOMETHING AND YOU MAKE AN ASSUMPTION AS TO WHAT IT IS AND IT JUST ISN'T ACTUALLY TRUE. RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU ANDY. JESSICA TOOK WHAT MY BIG QUESTION. I, BUT THAT'S, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED IT ABOUT THE, THE BRIDGE WASHING AWAY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT ONE, UH, QUESTION THAT HASN'T BEEN ASKED ON THE DAY I I WANT TO PROPOSE IS ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOING, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE UNDER ASSUMING WE VOTE AND WE MOVE FORWARD NEXT, I THINK IN TWO WEEKS WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. UH, IF THERE IS, UH, A PROBLEM, A FLOODING PROBLEM, LIKE WE'VE HAD THIS PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND WE ASSUMING, AND WE HAD NEVER DECIDED, UH, BUT IF EIGHT OUT DEGREES, THE CROSSWALK GOES AWAY, HOW WILL PEOPLE GIVE IT A CROSS, ASSUMING THAT IT'S FLOODED FOR A COUPLE DAYS AFTER A FLOODING EVENT, THE BRIDGES FLOODED. WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE, IF I REMEMBER FROM YEARS AGO, WHO WAS GOING TO BE THAT WE WOULD BLOCK OFF WITH A CHAIN? SO YOU CAN'T GO DOWN THE UNDERPASS OR THE, THE WALKWAY, BUT HOW WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO GET ACROSS SAFELY IF THE CROSSWALK IS, IF IT'S ELIMINATED, IF IT WERE ELIMINATED, YOU WOULD HAVE TO WALK FURTHER DOWN OR UP 1 79 EITHER FURTHER, UM, NORTH OR SOUTH ON 1 79 TO A CROSSWALK THAT THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD SAFELY CROSS. RIGHT. HOW, UH, WHAT WE MOST OFTEN SEE IS PEOPLE JAYWALK. RIGHT. OKAY. I DON'T WANNA GO TOO FAR, UH, STRAIGHT TO THAT, BUT I JUST, THAT WAS ONE QUESTION THAT'S BEEN ASKED AND WE'LL, I'LL ASK OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE IN TWO WEEKS, SO. OKAY. ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT? OH, THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , UH, ROB SMITH. ROB, YOU'VE SPOKEN BEFORE SO YOU KNOW THE DRILL. NO, I HAVEN'T, YOU HAVEN'T. YOU LOOK FAMILIAR TO ME THEN. OKAY. YOU HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THE LIGHT IS O OVER ON THE, ON YOUR, TO YOUR LIGHT. SO MY NAME IS, UH, ROB SMITH. I LIVE IN THE CHAPEL AREA IN SEDONA. OKAY. BEFORE I START MY THREE MINUTES MINUTES, CAN I ASK THEM A TECHNICAL QUESTION ABOUT THAT? I CAN'T. OKAY. I'LL DO THAT OVER THAT. UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'M A RETIRED ARCHITECT FROM THE STATE OF IOWA MOVE TO SEDONA, AND MANY TIMES I'VE DEALT WITH THE FLOW OF PEOPLE AND CARS. IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE TO DIRECT PEOPLE AND CARS AND DO WHAT YOU EXPECT OF THEM. I'VE SEEN CARS DRIVE INTO BUILDINGS, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE JUMP OVER WALLS. AND THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN PROBLEM YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE OF A PATH TO GET OVER OR UNDER THE, UH, HIGHWAY IS PROBLEMATIC. UH, YOU'VE CHOSEN A PATH THAT GOES DOWN IS QUITE CIRCUITOUS, OR YOU COULD HAVE GONE OVER TWO ELEVATORS, A BRIDGE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. UH, AND THAT'S ALL TO, TO CIRCUMVENT AND TRY TO GET RID OF THE CROSSWALK. TO ME, UH, THE PROJECT IS A WASTE OF OVER $3 MILLION IN MY EXPERIENCE. NO ONE'S GOING TO TAKE THIS ISN'T, UH, UH, ANOTHER [01:30:01] CITY WITH A RIVERWALK, UH, DES MOINES HAD THAT, UH, TO EXPECT PEOPLE TO GO THAT LONG PATH, GO THE SWITCH BACK, GO UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE AND GO BACK UP, IS LUDICROUS. SO TO ME, FOR THE PROJECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, OF THE $3 MILLION, THE CITY'S ANTICIPATING THE SPENDING, YOU MUST DO WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED IN UPTOWN? YOU MUST NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO CROSS AND MAKE THEM TAKE THE CROSS THE WALKWAY. AND IF THE, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, UH, I THINK THE ONLY TIME PEOPLE WILL BE ON THIS RIVER WALK IS WHEN THE RIVER IS FLOODING AND THEY WANNA SEE THE RIVER FROM A BETTER VIEW. BUT AT THAT TIME, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU HAVE A, A CLOSED, UH, I'M CURRENTLY SERVING ON THE CITIZEN BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE. WE'VE LEARNED A LOT OF NEEDS THAT THE CITY HAS SOME GREAT ORGANIZATIONS. AND MY RECOMMENDATION WAS, DON'T WASTE THE $3 MILLION ON A PATHWAY NOBODY WILL TAKE. GIVE IT TO THE LIBRARY, GIVE IT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, GIVE IT TO SOMEWHERE ELSE WITH $3 MILLION, CAN BE USED A LOT MORE. AND IF THE WALKWAY HAS ANY METAL HANDRAILS AND IS NOT TOTALLY MADE OUT OF CONCRETE, UH, ONE TREE WILL TAKE OUT YOUR HANDRAILS AND THOSE TREES THAT YOU SHOW STAYING. MY EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH TREES RIGHT NEXT TO FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS, MY BED IS GOOD LUCK. GOODBYE TO THE TREES. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU ROB. UH, ANDY, I'D LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS, YOU HAVE THE, THE THREE TOPICS I THINK YOU CAN TOUCH ON THE RIVER WALK, WHICH WOULD CONNECT WHERE WE'LL CONNECT TO DOWN THE CREEK UNDERPASS AND OVERPASS. IF YOU COULD BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THAT AND OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE TO, TO ADD IN CASE YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T THINK OF. OKAY. IF I MISS ANYTHING, JUST LET ME KNOW. , THE MAIN THING THAT I, I THINK, UM, I, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED EARLIER, IS WHY, WHY WOULD SOMEONE USE THIS PATHWAY? AND THERE, THERE, THE CONCEPT OF THE PROJECT IS BASED ON TWO THINGS, UH, IN THAT REGARD. ONE IS THAT THE DRAW TO, TO SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, THE CREEK IS THERE, YOU GET A CLOSER VIEW, YOU, YOU GET A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW. AND THERE'S ALSO THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THIS PROJECT. SO YOU'RE SEEING, UH, ESSENTIALLY LIKE A HISTORY WALK. THERE'S HISTORIC INFORMATION AND THINGS THAT YOU'LL GET TO SEE AND EXPERIENCE IN TAKING THIS ROUTE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE INTENT IS TO, UM, CREATE A DELAY FOR THE EXISTING AGGREGATE CROSSING. AND THIS IS WITH OUR TCAS. THIS IS OUR TRAFFIC CONTROL ASSISTANCE. AND OR EVENTUALLY THE INTENT IS A CONTROLLED TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, COMPONENT TO THE CROSSWALK. AND MAKING THE DELAY FOR THE USER CROSSING FROM POINT A TO POINT B, WHICH IS THE SAME WHETHER YOU CROSS AT THE EXISTING CROSSING OR GO UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE FROM POINT A TO POINT B, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TIME TO CROSS. SO WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO AT THAT POINT IS INCREASE, UM, THE DELAY THAT THE PEDESTRIAN HAS AND DECREASE THE INTERRUPTION OF THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. AND SO THE USER HAS, THEY, THEY HAVE TWO OPTIONS. THEY CAN EITHER CROSS AT THE EXISTING CROSSWALK OR USE THE NEW CROSSWALK. AND WHAT THAT WILL DO IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT USE OF THE NEW CROSSWALK, BUT YOU WILL HAVE A REDUCED, UM, VOLUME OF PEDESTRIANS USING THE EXISTING CROSSWALK AND A REDUCED IMPACT ON THE FRICTION ON 1 79. UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA ADD IS THAT WITH, UH, CONDITIONS THAT ADOT WILL HAVE ON KEEPING THE AGGREGATE CROSSING, VERY LIKELY WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN UPTOWN, WHICH IS, UH, MEDIAN RESTRICTIONS WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO MORE EFFECTIVELY CONTROL PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, UH, CROSSING 1 79 IN THAT AREA. THANKS, ANDY. CAN YOU ALSO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON WHY AN OVERPASS WAS NOT SELECTED, ESPECIALLY TO THE LACK OF PARKING OR THE RE THE REMOVAL OF PARKING ON EITHER NORTH AND SOUTH, AND THEN OF COURSE THE COURSE, IF YOU COULD JUST TOUCH ON THOSE AND AS WELL AS AN UNDERPASS AS WELL. WELL, AND THIS, THIS GOES BACK TO THE FIRST EFFORT THAT WE HAD ON THIS PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY DOING A ALTERNATIVE [01:35:01] ANALYSIS. AND WE DID CONSIDER EITHER AN OVERPASSING, UH, OVERCROSSING STRUCTURE, AN UNDERPASS, WHICH WOULD MEAN NOT UNDER THE BRIDGE, BUT POTENTIALLY UNDERNEATH THE HIGHWAY. AND, UM, THE, AS I RECALL, ANOTHER WAS KEEPING THE AG AGGREGATE CROSSING, MAKING NO OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEN FINALLY WAS THE, UH, THE UNDER CROSSING THAT WOULD CROSS UNDER THE BRIDGE. AND SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WITH EITHER THE OVERCROSSING OR UNDER CROSSING HAD TO DO WITH, AS YOU MENTIONED, COST. THE COST WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. UM, AND THEN ANOTHER MAJOR FACTOR HAD TO DO WITH THE IMPACT ON ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT, THE TREES IN THE AREA, THE IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. UM, THOSE WERE HUGE FACTORS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREA THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR EITHER AN ELEVATOR OR STAIR, UH, TYPE IMPROVEMENTS, IT, THE IMPACT IS, IS IS VERY LARGE. SO THOSE WERE, AS I RECALL, THE BIGGEST FACTORS ON THAT. OKAY. AND TO JUST GO FOLLOW UP ON THE IMPACT, BY THAT YOU MEAN ONE COMPONENT WOULD BE THE LOSS OF PARKING ON TKA PARKING NORTH AND SOUTH. RIGHT. WHICH WOULD HAVE A VERY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WOULD BE VERY SIGNIFICANT TO THEM IF THEY LOST, I THINK IT WAS SIX OR EIGHT PARKING SPACES ON EACH SIDE. CUZ YOU NEED TO HAVE THE ANCHORAGE WITH AN ELEVATOR TO MAKE IT A D A COMPLIANT R. RIGHT. AND TO GO WITH THAT, THERE HAD, THERE WAS, UH, PART OF THE DESIGN INCLUDED AN ADA ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY, WHICH OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, UH, IS A VERY GRADUAL GRADE, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE TRAVERSED. UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD'VE TRAVERSED ALONG THE BACK OF THE WALL AND THEN COME UP ON THE FRONT OF WALL, UH, FRONT OF THE I A DOT OR T LOCK POCKET WALL. UH, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT WOULD HAVE A VERY IMPACTFUL SITE ON THE AESTHETICS OF THE FRONT OF THE LACK OF POCK. SO. OKAY. THANKS BOB. YEAH, ANDY, I JUST REMEMBERED ONE OTHER THING YOU WANTED ME TO TOUCH ON IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CREEK WALK NOW, BUT MM-HMM. , THAT HAS BEEN A DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AND REALLY THIS IS THE START OF THAT, THAT'S THE INTENT IS GETTING A WALKWAY THAT EXTENDS DOWN TO THE CREEK AND IS INTENDED TO BE CONNECTED TO AND, AND EXTENDED OUT IN THE FUTURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. CAN I JUST ASK, OH, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, COMMENTS WAS ABOUT THE SORT OF HANDRAIL DURABILITY. AND SO THAT DOES GET MY MIND THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD, AND WE HAVE SPARE PARTS, WATER MAY GO DOWN QUICKLY, BUT CAN WE GET IT UP OPERATIONALLY FAST? THAT DEFINITELY THERE WILL NOT BE A METAL, UH, HANDRAIL TYPE, UH, RAILING ALONG THE BROOK EDGE. IT WILL BE A ROBUST CONCRETE BARRICADE TYPE TYPE STRUCTURE ALONG THE EDGE OF THE PATHWAY THAT ALONG THE CREEK. AND THAT WILL EXTEND, UH, FROM A POINT STARTING ON THIS CUL-DE-SAC HERE ALL THE WAY AROUND, DOWN UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE. AND ON UP THE SIDE, THE SIDE, UH, CONSIDERABLE DEF DISTANCE. THIS VIEW HERE IS AN ELEVATION VIEW. WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING THAT IN HERE BECAUSE THAT WAS LEFT OUT OPAQUE TO SHOW, TO SHOW THE AESTHETICS BEHIND THAT BARRICADE WALL. ON THE UPPER, UPPER PART OF THIS RETAINING WALL, THERE WILL BE SOME SIMPLE IRON OR STEEL TYPE HAND RAILING, BUT THAT IS MORE OR LESS OUTSIDE OF THE FLIP LINE. THANKS, BOB. YOU GOOD, PETE? THANK YOU, MARY. OKAY, JESSICA, I JUST WANNA ADD ONE MORE THING ABOUT THIS. WE TALK ABOUT WALKING, BUT IT'S ALSO A SHARED USE PATH. IT, IT PROVIDES CONTINUATION OF BICYCLE MOBILITY THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE AREA. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHY THIS IS, WHY THIS IS A PROJECT THAT, THAT THE COUNCIL EVEN UNDERSTANDING THE, THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, UM, WHY THE COUNCIL HAS SORT OF SUPPORTED THIS. UM, THE BIKEWAY PROJECTS ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. WE'RE MAKING GREAT HEADWAY AND THIS, THIS IS REALLY A CRITICAL PART OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER ON THE SIDE? OKAY. UH, ALRIGHT. WE DID THE PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO APPROVE MO MOVE TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH TAKKO PAKE TO ACQUIRE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY AND TO RESOLVE OTHER CLAIMS FOR THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT THE OAK CREEK PROJECT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? [01:40:01] SECOND. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. OKAY, WE'RE UNANIMOUS, JOE. OKAY, THANK YOU, UH, GENTLEMEN. AND NOW WE'LL TAKE A, UH, 20 MINUTE BREAK. SURE. 20 MINUTE BREAK. PLEASE GET BACK, UH, BY SIX 30. IT'S SO INTERESTING. OKAY, WE ARE BACK. AND WE WILL GO TO [8.d. AB 2931 Discussion/possible action regarding proposed amendments to the Sedona City Council Rules of Procedures and Policies.] ITEM D. WHAT, MAN, YOU GOOD? OKAY. AB AT 29 31. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL. RULES OF PROCEDURE AND POLICIES. AND WE HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY PRESENTING. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. SO THESE, UH, NINE PROPOSED RULES. SOME ARE SMALLER, UH, RULE CHANGES TO THE COUNCIL. RULES OF PROCEDURE, UH, STEM FROM COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT BACK IN JANUARY, UH, PLUS SOME OTHER, UM, UPDATES AND, UH, VARIOUS CHANGES. UM, SOME, SOME OF WHICH I'M, I'M PROPOSING OR SUGGESTING TO COUNSEL. UH, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM INDIVIDUALLY. UM, IN THE ORDER, THEY APPEAR IN THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURES. SO THE FIRST ONE IS ON PAGE, UH, 11 OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, PAGE 97 OF YOUR PACKET. AND THAT IS THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. UH, CURRENTLY AS THE RULE STANDS, UH, A, A COUNSELOR IN THE MAJORITY COULD VOTE FOR A RECONSIDERATION WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OR, OR ANY COUNSELOR AFTER 60 DAYS. A TYPICAL MOTION FOR YOUR RECONSIDERATION, UH, SAY PER ROBERT'S RULES WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED AT THE SAME MEETING OR, OR PERHAPS THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING DEPENDING ON, UH, DIFFERENT BODIES. UM, SO THIS RULE WAS A LITTLE, UM, MORE EXPANSIVE THAN THAT. UH, WE ALSO NEED TO CHANGE FROM THE MAJORITY TO THE PREVAILING, UH, SIDE OR, UH, TO, TO DEAL WITH, UH, WHEN THERE'S A THAI VOTE IN THE CASE, THERE'S ABSENT COUNSELOR AND THERE ENDS UP BEING A THAI VOTE, AND THEN YOU'RE, THEN IT'S UNCLEAR. UH, THERE'S NO MAJORITY AT THAT POINT, BUT THERE IS STILL A PREVAILING SIDE. UM, IF THERE'S A THAI VOTE, THEN THE MOTION FAILS. AND SO THE PREVAILING SIDE WOULD BE THOSE WHO VOTED IN A NO. SO THE PROPOSED CHANGES HERE WOULD BE TO ALLOW, UM, THOSE WHO VOTED, VOTED IN THE PREVAILING SIDE OR ABSENT COUNSELOR TO PROPOSE A RECONSIDERATION OF A COUNSEL, PREVIOUS COUNSEL ACTION WITHIN, UH, 60 DAYS OF THAT ACTION. UH, IT WOULD REMOVE THE TIME PERIOD AFTER 60 DAYS. UH, IT WOULD ALSO LIMIT RECONSIDERATIONS TO, UH, ONE RECONSIDERATION. ANY SUBSEQUENT RE CONSIDERATIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP RECONSIDERING THINGS EVERY 60 DAYS, UM, IN PERPETUITY. SO ANY QUESTIONS? AND I I, I FEEL LIKE IT'LL BE EASIER JUST TO GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE, UM, AND, AND WORK OUT ANY CHANGES THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND ANSWER. ANY QUESTIONS? OH, UH, I'M SORRY. YOU WANNA WAIT OR DO YOU WANT TO? THIS ONE PARTICULAR, LET'S DO IT. I THINK WE SHOULD DO EACH ONE AS WE GO ALONG. OKAY. I MISUNDERSTOOD. OKAY, GOOD, GOOD. THANK YOU. SO ON THE RECONSIDERATION ONLY BEING DONE ONCE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU DON'T WANNA KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING, UH, IN THE SITUATION SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES SO THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD TO RECONSIDERATION? COULD IT BE A AGENDA AS A NEW ITEM OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU, HOW WOULD WE DEAL WITH THAT IF SIX MONTHS DOWN THE LINE THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL, YOU KNOW? YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTING. UH, IT'S A A GOOD POINT BECAUSE THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION, UM, IS KIND OF A NARROW MM-HMM. AREA OF THE RULES OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. THERE ARE, YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND PREVIOUS ACTION. YOU CAN ALWAYS PROPOSE NEW ACTION. SO THIS DOESN'T PROHIBIT EITHER OF THOSE. SO IF NEW INFORMATION COMES OUT, UH, THOSE CAN BOTH BE, UH, A NEW ACTION. SO PRIMARILY, UM, LET'S SAY, UH, A CONTRACT COUNCIL APPROVES AND THEY DECIDE THEY WANNA TERMINATE THE CONTRACT, OR COUNCIL APPROVES AN ORDINANCE AND NOW WANTS TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE. THOSE CAN BE DONE ANY TIME BY PROPOSING A NEW ORDINANCE OR PROPOSING TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT. THAT'S JUST A NEW ACTION. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A RECONSIDERATION. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH A HYPOTHETICAL. IF, IF AN ACTION, IF SOMETHING WAS IN FRONT OF US, AND LET'S SAY IT REQUIRED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, BUDGET APPROVAL FOR ACTION X AND THAT WE WANTED THAT RECONSIDERED AFTERWARD. AND IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND THAT WAS 110,000 BECAUSE IT'S X AND Y, IT WOULD BE A NEW ITEM, IT WOULD NOT BE A RECONSIDERATION. IS THAT CORRECT? SO COUNCIL COUNSELORS COULD PROPOSE IT EITHER WAY. IF IT WAS WITHIN THE 60 DAY PERIOD AND THEY WANTED TO PHRASE IT AS A RECONSIDERATION, UH, I MEAN, THE END RESULT WOULD BE [01:45:01] THE SAME IF COUNCIL APPROVED IT, UM, WHETHER, WHETHER IT WAS RECONSIDERATION OR A NEW, BUT AFTER THE 60 DAYS, IF IT CAME UP WITH THAT SLIGHT CHANGE, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED YES, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. IT COULD BE PROPOSED AFTER THE SEASON. THANK YOU, PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, KURT IN, UH, PARAGRAPH A THERE ON THAT FIRST SENTENCE, WHAT'S THE MEANING OF ENTIRE COUNCIL IS THAT GET IN OUR WAY BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY HAVE THING I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEONE THEN TO DE RULE RULE IF ONE OF US WAS ABSENT AND WE DIDN'T, THAT WASN'T THE ENTIRE COUNCIL VOTING. SO, UH, THAT WAS JUST LANGUAGE THAT THAT WAS THERE. IT IS A LITTLE, IT COULD BE CON CONFUSING AND REDUNDANT. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, IT COULD ALL THIS, ALL THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION REQUIRES IS THAT COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY TAKEN ACTION AND THAT YOU WANT TO RECONSIDER THAT ACTION. YEAH. AND THEN I'LL, I'M SORRY. SO ON THEN, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE WORD, TO STRIKE THE WORD? YEAH, I'M THE STRIKE SUPPORT STRIKING. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SO LOOK AT THAT. AND THEN, AND THEN FURTHER, UH, ALMOST TO YOUR POINT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA, THAT THIS IS REALLY IS ABOUT MOTIONS TO RECONSIDER AND WHEN CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, COUNCIL'S GIVEN WIDE LATITUDE WITH TWO VOTES TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AT ANY OTHER TIME. SO WE'VE GOT WIDE LATITUDE TO BRING UP TOPICS. AGAIN, IF YOU GET SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL, SO I LOOK AT THIS AS REALLY BEING FOCUSED ON MOTIONS TO RECONSIDER 60 DAYS TO ME JUST SEEMS LIKE WAY, WAY LONG. YOU KNOW, I'D BE OPEN TO ANYWHERE FROM ONE DAY TO 14 DAYS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT LET YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR BUSINESS, LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND KEEP MARCHING ON. FOR ME, THIS IS A MOTION, RECONSIDER IS A, IS A MUCH SHORTER DURATION PERIOD. SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYOR, HOW YOU WANNA TRY AND PULL THE, THE COUNCIL OR COME UP WITH A NEW NUMBER. YOU KNOW, I WILL JUST CHUNK OUT A NUMBER TO START FIVE DAYS. SOMETHING THAT'S WAY DIFFERENT. IF, IF I MIGHT ADD TO THAT POINT REAL QUICK, UH, THE, IT IS TYPICAL TO BE AT THE SAME MEETING OR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING. SO THAT WOULD BE A, A TWO WEEK PERIOD. SO MAYBE 14 OR 15 DAYS TO THAT'S OKAY TO VERIFY ANYTHING. UH, THE 60 DAYS I LEFT IN, BECAUSE IT WAS IN THERE BEFORE AND COUNSELORS USED HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO A MOTION OF RECONSIDERATION ANY, ANYTIME AFTER 60 DAYS, WHICH AGAIN, SEEMED TOO FAR FOR ME. BUT THAT'S WHERE I, I JUST LEFT THE SIX. YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU IN THINKING ABOUT ROBERT'S RULES AND BEFORE SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS IS A COMMON RULE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE 14 DAYS OR, OR, OR THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING LANGUAGE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BETTER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, UH, WOULD IT BE, WOULD 14 TO 30 BE SOMETHING THAT'S EX ACCEPTABLE OR THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO US AND THEN WE COULD JUST DECIDE THERE'S NO PRECEDENT SETTING ANYTHING WITHIN THE STATE CODE? NO, THIS IS COMPLETELY UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND, AND IT'S A PARLIAMENTARY RULE AND COUNCIL CAN ADOPT WHATEVER DAY THEY'D LIKE TO DO HERE. OKAY. THEN BEFORE WE CONTINUE ANY FURTHER, WANNA AS WE SPEAK, COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT WE HAPPEN TO LIKE, AND INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, POLLING, BUT THIS WAY YOU COULD SAY WHY YOU FEEL THAT WAY. SO, UH, I KNOW JESSICA HAD HER HAND UP AFTER, UH, PETER OVER HERE, PETER . I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM MELISSA, WHO I THINK AS THIS WAS A CASE IN POINT, I THINK ONE DAY OR FIVE DAYS, RIGHT. WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ENOUGH TIME. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER SHE WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY, THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH SOMEONE WAS GONE. YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE ENOUGH TIME, ENOUGH PERIOD OF TIME. AND I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY A PROBLEM OF IT BEING TOO LONG. I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, NOTHING, NOTHING IS LOST, I DON'T THINK BY, BY THE 60 DAYS. I MEAN, MAYBE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? UH, MAYBE I, IF YOU WANNA MAKE IT A MONTH, BUT ANYTHING SHORTER THAN A MONTH JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO, TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO HANDLE WHAT MIGHT JUST BE REASONABLE KINDS OF REASONS. SOMETHING MIGHT NOT HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY. AND THE ONLY REASON, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY, UH, MELISSA WAS ABLE TO BE AT, TO ATTEND THE MEETING OR, BUT IT WASN'T AS YOU KNOW, REALLY GOOD. BUT I'LL GET YOU OPINION JUST A SECOND. BUT YOU WERE THERE AND I THINK YOU HAD, EXCUSE ME, IN YOUR MIND ANYWAY, THAT YOU WANTED TO BE INCLUDED, IF THAT, PERHAPS I'M WRONG. SO WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE ON. WAIT A MINUTE. YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING IN ORDER HERE, YOU WOULD. WELL, BUT JESSICA MENTIONED, UH, MELISSA, SO I WANTED MELISSA TO ADDRESS WHAT JESSICA SAID, AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK. SO IN MY PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE, I DID NOT ATTEND THE MEETING THAT WAS IN QUESTION. MM-HMM. . OH, YOU DID NOT. OKAY. I DID NOT ATTEND. SO I WAS ABSENT. OKAY. AT THAT TIME, UM, IN ORDER FOR MY VOICE TO BE HEARD OR RECORDED ON RECORD, I NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO BE BACK. I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BACK WITHIN [01:50:01] 14 DAYS MM-HMM. . UM, SO THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE TO RECONSIDER, AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A NEW AGENDA ITEM. IT WOULD'VE BEEN A RECONSIDERATION OF A PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM. I STAND CORRECTLY IF YOU, IF YOU MAKE THE LANGUAGE LOOSER, IF YOU SAID SUBSEQUENT THAT LEAVES IT OPEN-ENDED 60 DAYS IS, IS IS A FINITE PERIOD IN ORDER TO ALLOW TIME FOR ME IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, TO HAVE GOTTEN BACK TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD WHERE THE COUNCIL HAD BEEN DURING THAT MEETING, AND THEN TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT I MIGHT HAVE NEEDED TO ASK IN ORDER TO LEARN MORE, TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION THAN I WOULD'VE NEEDED MORE THAN THE 14 DAYS. SO I, I THINK LEAVING IT WITHIN 60 DAYS MEANS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 60 DAYS, IT JUST HAS TO BE NO MORE THAN 60 DAYS. OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. I WANT TO ASK KURT HIS OPINION. COULD THERE BE SOMETHING IN THERE AS FAR AS WHEN A COUNCIL'S OUT OF THE COUNTRY OR OUTTA THE STATE? NO, JUST LISTEN, DON'T ASK HIM. JUST A BETTER SPEAK. THERE COULD BE, I, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT MAKES IT MORE COMPLICATED AND, AND CONVOLUTED AND JUST OKAY, THAT'S FINE. PUT, PUT IN A, A TIME PERIOD ON THIS. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS HERE. I THINK AN ABSENT COUNSELOR WHO HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COUNCIL MEETING AND CHOOSES NOT TO, SHOULD NOT GET THE BENEFIT WITH IT, YOU KNOW, LATER TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION. I THINK THAT PE WHEN WE TAKE A VOTE, P PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON THAT VOTE AND THEY SH AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELY ON IT. SO WE TAKE AN ACTION AND THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC IS THEN RELYING ON THAT ACTION IN PURSUIT OF, OF WHATEVER IT WAS THAT WE DID. SO I, I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. THE OTHER THING IS, WHAT DOES THE PREVAILING SIDE MEAN? WHEN YOU HAVE A TIE, THERE IS NO PREVAILING SIDE. NO, THE, IF IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, AND IT TIES, THAT MEANS IT FAILS. SO THE PREVAILING SIDE IS THOSE WHO, WHO VOTED AGAINST THE MOTION THAT'S IN ROBERT'S RULES. AND IT'S BEEN PRETTY, AND ACTUALLY IT'S DEFINED IN THIS DOCUMENT EARLIER ON. RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, WE CITE IT BACK TO IT'S, IT'S ADDED IN WHAT IT, WHAT IT IS. SO THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S STANDARD, I FEEL LIKE. SO A MOTION AND THEN MOTION TO DENY. IF THAT FAILED, THEN THE, THEN THOSE WHO VOTED AGAINST ANYTIME YOU VOTED AGAINST THE MOTION. IF IT FAILS, THEN THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THAT'S THE PREVAILING SIDE. ALL RIGHT. SO, BUT I I I, I'M IN THE, I'M INCLINED TO HAVE A REDUCED AMOUNT OF TIME. I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW ROBERT RULES IN THIS REGARD BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW, YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORY AS TO WHY WE SELECTED 60 DAYS AND LEFT IT COMPLETELY OPEN. NO, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT'S A VERY BAD PRACTICE FOR, AGAIN, RELIANCE ON A DECISION THAT COUNCIL MAKES BY THE PUBLIC. YEAH. VICE MAYOR PLU, THERE IS, IN THE SUBSEQUENT PARAGRAPH, C AND E, DOWN C AND D DOWN HERE, IT DOES TALK ABOUT IF THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF EQUITABLE ESTOPPEL AGAINST THE CITY. AND, AND SO THERE ARE CASES WHERE IF WE, IF COUNCIL DID APPROVE, LIKE SAY A ZONE CHANGE, AND THEN, UH, ENTITY RE RELIED ON THAT AND BEGAN MOVING TOWARDS THAT, WHERE THE, A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION MIGHT BE INAPPROPRIATE, UH, THAT MIGHT ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. AND, AND WHO MAKES THAT DECISION? I MEAN, THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL ADVISE COUNSEL. COUNSEL STILL CAN ACT AS IT SEATS FIT. OKAY. KATHY, THANK YOU. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IN THE PAST ON BODIES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT HAVE APPLIED ROBERT'S RULES IS THAT IN THE THAT CASE, SUBSEQUENT MEANT THE NEXT MEETING, SO SUBSEQUENT IS NOT OPEN-ENDED. IT HAS A PARLIAMENTARY MEETING OF THE NEXT MEETING. UM, WHICH THEN GOES TO SPEAK TO THE POINT THAT COUNCIL WILLIAMSON MADE, WHICH I AGREE WITH, WHICH IS THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS MORE TIME IF THEY'RE OUT, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR MEETING CYCLE, SINCE WE HAVE A TUESDAY AND A WEDNESDAY AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER, TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY, THE THING THAT'S KEEPING YOU AWAY COULD STILL BE KEEPING YOU AWAY. I BELIEVE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ENTERTAINING. UM, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I WANNA MAKE AN ASSUMPTION AS TO WHY SOMEONE IS AWAY TO SAY THAT THEY CHOOSE TO BE AWAY. UH, I, I, THAT TERM I THINK IS, IS MAY OR MAY NOT APPLY. AN ILLNESS COULD KEEP SOMEBODY AWAY FOR A COUPLE OF, OF WEEKS OR MONTHS. UM, I THINK 60 DAYS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT COULD BE A LITTLE EXCESSIVE. I'M FINE WITH THE 60 DAYS BECAUSE IT SAYS WITHIN, AND IT'S NOT THAT IT GOES BACK AND FORTH, BUT IF, IF IT WAS A MAKE OR BREAK COMING TO TERMS UP HERE ON, ON THIS BODY AGREEING, I COULD BE REDUCED DOWN TO 30 DAYS BECAUSE THAT WOULD [01:55:01] ALLOW TWO MEETING CYCLES. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THIS, PETER. THANK YOU, MAYOR . UH, I DIDN'T WANT THIS DISCUSSION TO END UP BEING A DISCUSSION OF THAT MOTION THAT THAT CAME UP MM-HMM. , BUT, UH, IT, IT DID AND IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION. SO FINE. I THINK THAT I DIDN'T MAKE A POINT STRONGLY ENOUGH THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS WIDE LATITUDE PUTTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA. THE RULES HERE SAY WE CAN'T RECONSIDER THINGS THAT INVOLVE REZONINGS OR BID AWARDS. SO KURT, IF COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, IF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN CAME BACK 60 DAYS LATER, SAY THE RULES CHANGED AND IT'S A SHORTER TIME THAN THIS OUTSIDE OF THAT WINDOW, COULD ONE OF US, ANY ONE OF US ASK THAT ISSUE TO COME BACK AGAIN, IT'S NOT A REZONING, IT WASN'T A REZONING, IT IT, IT WASN'T A BID AWARD. WHY CAN, IF, IF YOU HAVE TWO VOTES ON COUNCIL, CAN'T WE AGENDAS ALMOST ANYTHING THAT WE WANT, THEN YOU GET YOUR 10 MINUTES, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS. IF YOU HAD FOUR VOTES, IT WOULD GO RIGHT TO THE AGENDA. UH, YES. UH, COUNSELORS AND COUNCILOR FURMAN. SO THE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT BECAUSE THE, THIS IS ACTUALLY A MOTION DEGREES CONSIDER WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS WHEN PLANNING AND ZONING OR CITY COUNCIL DENIES A PROJECT, IT'S, UH, DENIED AND THEY CAN'T REAPPLY FOR ONE YEAR. BUT THE DECIDING BODY CAN WAIVE THAT RULE AS WELL. AND SO, AND IS IS US BRINGING UP THE, THE RULES, SAY THE DEVELOPER CAN'T BRING IT UP AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE CAN'T BRING IT. CORRECT. SO THE CITY COUNCIL COULD STILL BRING IT, BRING IT UP, UM, AND, BUT IT WOULD BE PER, IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION BE, UM, UH, A NEW AGENDA ITEM AND IT'D BE PER THE RULES OF THE LDC. SO THAT'S WHY, UM, ARGUING HERE THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS WIDE LATITUDE WITH RESPECT TO ITS AGENDA. AND A MOTION TO RECONSIDER REALLY SHOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH ROBERT'S RULES. SOMEBODY CHANGED THEIR MIND FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER SHORTLY DURING THE MEETING, AND IT CAN BE TAKEN UP AT THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING, YOU KNOW, IS PLENTY OF TIME FOR US. THAT WAS A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE. AND I THINK WE, WE CAN MAKE OUR RULES ACCOMMODATE MORE CONSISTENCY WITH ROBERT'S RULES AND STILL GIVE COUNCIL LATITUDE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS IT NEEDS TO MAKE. BRIAN, THE ARIZONA LEAGUE OF CITIES IN TOWN STRONGLY ADVISES AGAINST USING ROBERTS RULES. I'LL JUST START OUT BY MENTIONING THAT, UM, I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM WITH 60 DAYS ON THIS COUNSELOR. PETE'S, UH, ASSERTION THAT WE HAVE WIDE LATITUDE, I THINK IS, UH, CONVINCING. AND I THINK WE'VE BEATEN THIS ONE TO DEATH AT THIS POINT. OKAY, KATHY? YEAH, I, I ALSO, I DON'T AGREE THAT WE HAVE WIDE LATITUDE. IT, IT TAKES, TWO COUNSELORS CAN PUT SOMETHING ON TO BE DISCUSSED, WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN CONVINCE THE REST OF COUNCIL TO PUT IT ON, UH, UNLESS WE HAVE FOUR, I MEAN, THAT ALREADY IS CONVOLUTED TO TRY TO THEN BRING THAT METHODOLOGY INTO A RECONSIDERATION METHODOLOGY. I THINK IT COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON. BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT, WOULD IT BE RECONSIDERED OR NOT? NO. OKAY. SO NOW TWO, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR IT. OKAY. SO THEN YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES TO PUT IT ON AT YET ANOTHER MEETING. AND I, I MEAN, I THINK THE QUICKER WAY TO DEAL WITH THINGS, THINGS IF, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS EFFICIENCY UP HERE. FAIRNESS AND EFFICIENCY. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A CLEAR RULE ON RECONSIDERATION IS THE BETTER WAY TO GO. I AM A ROBERTS RULES FAN, GENERALLY. WE KNOW THAT UP HERE ABOUT ME. SORRY, HE'S MY DIRTY LITTLE SECRET . BUT I, WE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE USE AND WE HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO IT ALL OVER THE MAP OF OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE. SO I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T, I'M NOT BOTHERED ABOUT THIS NOT AGREEING WITH THE SUBSEQUENT LANGUAGE OF ROBERT'S RULES. I THINK WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR US. AND AGAIN, I LIKE THE 60, I COULD GO TO 30 IF IT'S TOO LONG FOR OTHERS, BUT I THINK HAVING THIS WILL MAKE SENSE. JESSICA, I AGREE WITH COUNSELOR KINSELLA. I, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO PUNISH A PUNISH, UM, UH, A COUNCIL PERSON FOR, FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO LINK UP TECHNO TECH. I MEAN, I HAVE TROUBLED, I HAD TROUBLE GETTING IN ON ZOOM FROM MY HOUSE IF I WERE IN NOVA SCOTIA OR I DON'T KNOW KENYA, I MIGHT HAVE TROUBLE GETTING INTO THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S, AND, AND WE ARE, WE ARE COUNCIL PEOPLE. WHY DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD WANNA PUNISH, PUNISH ONE ANOTHER FOR, FOR NOT [02:00:01] BEING ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING WHEN WE THEORETICALLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. I DON'T THINK ROGER'S RULES OF ORDER IS, IS SACROSANCT. I THINK I TOTALLY AGREE WITH BRIAN. UM, AND IT, I, 60 DAYS IS FINE WITH ME. I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS A, I I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS A BIG ISSUE. UM, WHAT THE 60, WHAT HARM IS THERE IN 60, IN THE 60 DAYS, THE THINGS WHICH COULD BE HARMED OR EXCLUDED, UM, FROM IT. SO I, I, I HAVE NO TROUBLE WITH 60 AND I JUST DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY. I MEAN, WHATEVER, WHATEVER'S TIME WE SAVED IN THE PRECEDING PART OF THE MEETING, . YEAH. RIGHT. WE CAN SAY BYE-BYE TO IT NOW. ALL RIGHT. WELL, SO MAYBE WE MAKE A, OKAY. UH, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN. I I'M FINE WITH 30, BUT IF THE, IF THE REST GO ON ONE 60, IT'S FINE. UH, UNLESS, KURT, DO YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR REASON FOR ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE MOVED FORWARD OR DIDN'T, WEREN'T ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD? WERE, WAS IT IMPEDIMENT AT ALL? NO. IN MY EXPERIENCE, UH, 30 DAYS WOULD'VE, WOULD BE GENERALLY BE ENOUGH FOR ANY OF THESE. ANYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN TO BE ABLE TO RECONSIDER. ALL RIGHT. SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT ALSO. SO, BUT IF, UH, THE COUNCIL 30 DAYS IS FINE, 30 DAYS IS FINE. OKAY. SO, UH, WE HAVE FOUR 30 DAYS. 1, 2, 3, 4. I THINK WE HAVE FOUR AT 62, BUT IF WE WANT TO BE RIGHT, MAN, NICER WE COULD, OKAY. YEAH, LET'S DO A THUMBS UP OR DOWN ON 60 AND IF 60 PASSES, CUZ IT'S A PROPOSED LANGUAGE, THEN IF IT DOESN'T WE CAN GO TO 30. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SO FOR 61, 2, 3, 4, . FOUR, FOUR TO THREE. OKAY. THAT FINE? YOU GOT 60. OKAY. ALRIGHT, NUMBER TWO. KURT . WELL, WE'RE UP TO A GREAT START. IT WAS NEXT PAGE, KURT, TOGETHER. LET'S KEEP GOING. YEAH. SO THE NEXT ONE'S ON PAGE 98 OF YOUR PACKET, PAGE 12 OF THE RULES. UH, THIS IS JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN PROCEDURE OF COUNSEL THAT IF A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL FAILS TO CARRY WILL BE A DENIAL. BUT THE CONTRARY, UM, IS NOT TRUE. THE MOTION FOR DENIAL, WHICH FAILS TO CARRY DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S APPROVED. UM, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT, A SUBSEQUENT MOTION FOR APPROVAL WILL NEED TO BE MADE. UM, IF NO ONE WANTS TO APPROVE IT AND THEN THERE WON'T BE A MOTION. OKAY. DISCUSSION. EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT? YEP. YOU'RE GOOD. GOOD TO GO. NEXT PAGE. ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT ONE, UH, DID I PASS IT ALREADY? PAGE A HUNDRED, I THINK. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'LL SCROLL DOWN AND FIND IT. I WROTE DOWN THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 100. OKAY. SO, UM, THIS IS THE ORDER BUSINESS. UM, THIS IS A COUPLE OF CHANGES FOR CLARIFICATIONS. ONE SECOND TUESDAY ONLY WOULD BE THE MOMENT OF OUR, OR WHICH IS THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING OF THE MONTH. UM, AND THEN TO REMOVE THE CITIZENS ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM UPDATE, THAT WAS ELIMINATED SOME TIME AGO. UM, I ALSO PROPOSE, UH, JUST CHANGING THE REPORTS ON COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS, JUST TWO REPORTS. UH, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LISTED AS DISCUSSION, BUT WE, SINCE IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY THAT REPORT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY ON THE AGENDA. WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT. SIMILARLY, THE DISCUSSION, UM, AND POSSIBLE ACTION REQUEST FOR FUTURE MEETING AGENDAS. UH, IT'LL JUST BE A REQUEST. AND THEN SECOND, UM, OR UP TO A FOURTH, UM, IF WE ADOPT THE OTHER RULES. UM, THERE WAS ALSO, UH, THIS CHANGE ELIMINATING THE CITY'S VISION STATEMENT, RIGHT? YOU WANNA DISCUSS THAT? YEAH. WHAT, YES, WHAT DO YOU MEAN ABOUT, WHAT IS THIS ABOUT? YOU'RE ELIMINATING THE CITY'S VISION STATEMENT FROM THE STANDARD ORDERED OF BUSINESS. I DON'T SUPPORT THAT. WHY? YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THIS CAME FROM, THIS CAME FROM, WHERE WAS IT? WHO DID IT COME FROM? WHO? KAREN OR JOANNE. GOT THAT. OKAY. SO MAYORS YOU ALL HAVE BORN WITNESS TO, AS WE HAVE CONTINUED TO TRY TO USE HYBRID MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THROUGH VIRTUAL MEANS AND SOME FOLKS HERE IN IN THE CHAMBERS, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO STRUGGLE TO GET THAT VIDEO TO WORK PROPERLY. THIS DOES NOT EXCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL. THIS IS A SAYS. GENERALLY THIS WILL BE THE OUTLINE. UM, ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE, MAYBE THAT COUNSELORS WANT TO READ THE VISION STATEMENT, THAT'S [02:05:01] FINE. BUT THE TECHNOLOGY IS, HAS BECOME PROBLEMATIC. AND INSTEAD OF US EVERY TIME TRYING TO, UM, FUSS WITH THAT AND, AND CREATE DELAYS IN THE MEETING, THIS WAS A PROPOSAL. BUT THIS, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN REMOVES IT COMPLETELY FROM THE, IT SAYS GENERAL ORDER OF BUSINESS. THE GENERAL ORDER OF BUSINESS, RIGHT? PERHAPS WE COULD LIMIT THE CITY'S VISION STATEMENT TO ONCE A MONTH AS SUCH AS WE DO WITH THE MOMENT OF ART AND ALTERNATE WHAT AN ALTERNATE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU, WE DO IT. IF IT CAN BE READ, WE HAD A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE IT WAS BEING READ, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. ACTUALLY. IT SHOULD ROTATE SO THAT WE ALL GET A CHANCE TO READ IT BECAUSE MAYBE IT SINKS IN . OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE ON FOR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE? I, I, I KNOW SURE. I I KNOW, UM, THERE IS, I HAVE HEARD COMMENTS THAT IT'S KIND OF OUT OF DATE. IT DOESN'T REFLECT OUR CURRENT. UH, I REMEMBER WHEN THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN WAS APPROVED, UM, COUNSELOR THOMPSON AT THE TIME WANTED TO USE THE NEW MI UH, VISION STATEMENT IN THE NEW IN THAT PLAN, WHICH WAS MUCH SHORTER. AND THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME DECIDED THAT IT WASN'T FULL ENOUGH. THE COUNCIL LOVED THE VISION STATEMENT AND WANTED TO KEEP THE OLD VISION STATEMENT AND NOT ADOPT THE NEW ONE. UM, SO THERE HAS IN THE PAST BEEN SOME CONCERN OVER THIS PARTICULAR VISION STATEMENT, UM, WHETHER IT, IT SEEMS VERY GENERAL AND, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS STILL SEEMS TO BE A, A VISION STATEMENT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS ON THAT. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S READ OR NOT. I THINK READING IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE ANYWAY. RIGHT. AND, AND, UH, ONE THING THAT I WAS, UH, TOING WITH THE IDEA WAS WE PUT A VISION STATEMENT UP IN THE LO IN THE LOBBY. A NEW VISION STATEMENT. WELL, THERE'S NO, THERE'S A, A PLAQUE IN THE LOBBY NOW, BUT IT'S NOT THE VISION STATEMENT I THOUGHT IT WAS. BUT FOR PEOPLE TO READ WHEN THEY COME IN, I DON'T KNOW HOW IMPACTFUL THAT WOULD BE, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST TOYING WITH THE IDEA, BUT IF WE WANNA READ IT, THAT'S FINE, BUT THE ELECTRONIC VERSION IS JUST NOT WORKING. EVEN TODAY, THERE WAS NO VOLUME TO IT. SO IT'S, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM IT'S BEEN WORKED ON. BRIAN. WELL, MAYOR, TO YOUR IDEA, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING IT ON A PLAQUE OUT IN THE LOBBY. I MEAN, WHY NOT HAVE IT SHOWING ON A CONTINUOUS REEL OR SOMETHING BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS? UM, ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE DONE, BUT I MEAN, ANYTHING COULD BE DONE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. OR EVEN JUST HAVING IT INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEETING'S GONNA START AND INSTEAD OF READING IT SOON RIGHT. YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT AT THE TOP AND THEN HAVE THE WRITTEN OUT VISION STATEMENT UNDERNEATH IT. EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT. EVERYBODY CAN READ IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE AGENDA. RIGHT. CORRECT. WORKS FOR ME. SO WOULD THAT BE JUST FOR CLARITY AS PEOPLE WALK IN BEFORE WE START THE MEETING MM-HMM. IT, MATT, ON ALSO THE SCREEN IS WHAT'S BROADCAST MM-HMM. . RIGHT. SO, OKAY. YEAH. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO TECHNOLOGY-WISE? YEAH. IT'S BASICALLY JUST PREPARING A SLIDE WITH THE VISION STATE. MM-HMM. AND THE CITY LOGO. OKAY. WE'RE KINDA LIKE, WE DO THE CONSENT. YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. OKAY. I, I LIKE THAT IDEA. GOOD JOB RYAN . I KNOW IT. THAT WAS LIKE PULLING TEETH. I KNOW. FOR YOU. I KNOW. I'M JUST GONNA DREAM ABOUT PEPSI NOW. SO ARE WE DONE WITH THIS? IS THERE AGREEMENT WITH THIS? YEAH. THE AGREEMENT. YES. SO IT STAYS WITH CITY VISION STATEMENT BEING DELETED. YES. YES. BUT IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN, IN A, A GRAPHIC THAT'S, UM, POSTED ON THE, THE SCREEN AS PEOPLE WALK IN OR MAYBE EVEN BETWEEN MEETINGS. HOW CAN THAT BE REFLECTED THAT SO THAT THAT GETS CODIFIED AND STAYS IN IN THE MINUTES? YEAH. AS DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL. UH, JUST BE DIRECTIONS TO STAFF AND STAFF CAN FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT. IT'S NOT PART, IT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE ORDER OF BUSINESS AND WOULDN'T BE IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ANYMORE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT PAGE. TIME LIMITATIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS, UH, WAS DISCUSSED AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT. THIS IS, UM, PAGE 1 0 2 OF THE PACKET, PAGE 16 OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, UH, GENERALLY, UM, AND, AND ALMOST ALWAYS, UH, PUBLIC, UM, PARTICIPANTS ARE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS COUNSEL, WHETHER AT A PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC FORUM OR JUST, UH, UH, ADDRESSING COUNCIL. UH, BUT AT TIMES, UM, THE MAYOR, UH, PREVIOUS MAYORS [02:10:01] HAVE REDUCED THAT WHEN THERE TENDS TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE. MM-HMM. , UH, I THINK THE MOST I'VE SEEN IT REDUCED DOWN IS JUST TO TWO MINUTES. MM-HMM. , MM-HMM. . UM, AND OTHER EXPERIENCES I'VE HAD, I'VE SEEN 'EM REDUCE IT DOWN TO LIKE 30 SECONDS, WHICH SEEMS EXCESSIVE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE 200 PEOPLE TO TALK ON AN ITEM, IT MAY BECOME NECESSARY. UM, SO THIS IS JUST TO ALLOW FOR THAT. UH, VARIATION QUESTION ON THAT, KATHY. SO, ON THE SUBSEQUENT PART, WHICH IS, UM, THAT WE CAN, UH, RESPOND TO CRITICISM, UH, ASK STAFF TO REVIEW, ASK A MATTER, YOU PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA. IS THERE SOMETHING IN HERE WE SHALL NOT DISCUSS OR TAKE LEGAL ACTION? I AGREE WITH THAT. ON MATTERS RAISED DURING AN OPEN CALL, UNLESS MATTERS PROPERLY NOTICED. I AGREE. CUZ NOTICE IS IMPORTANT. BUT MY QUESTION IS, WE'VE BEEN UNCLEAR SOMETIMES WHEN A SPEAKER PRESENTS, WE HAVE A QUESTION OF THAT SPEAKER. CAN THERE BE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT PRESERVES THAT ABILITY? YEAH. SO IT'S OPEN TO COUNCIL IF COUNCIL WANTED TO SPECIFICALLY PUT THAT IN THERE, DO YOU HAVE, UM, LANGUAGE YOU WOULD SUGGEST TO PUT THAT IN, IN A SUCCINCT WAY? I MEAN, WE JUST PUT INTO THE COUNCILS AT THE, DURING AN OPEN, INDIVIDUAL COUNCILS MAY RESPOND TO CRITICISM, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. ASK A QUESTION OF THE SPEAKER, MAY ASK STAFF TO REVIEW A MATTER. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTED LANGUAGE. I MEAN, THAT WORKS FOR ME. THANK YOU. JESSICA. DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. I'LL, I'LL PUT IT UP HERE JUST SO COUNCIL CAN SEE IT AND SEE IF THEY AGREE WITH THAT CHANGE. AM I QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF A QUESTION? ONE, ONE PERSON PLEASE. AT A TIME. I'M JUST CORRECTING THE LANGUAGE. I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. CASE MAY ASK QUESTIONS. NOT A QUESTION. OKAY. QUESTIONS. AND THIS WILL ALWAYS BE, SO THERE, THERE IS A, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT THE, WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE. IT WON'T BE, THIS WON'T BE APPROPRIATE IN PUBLIC FORM. THAT'S RIGHT. I ALSO WANT, SO IT'S GONNA BE APPROPRIATE IN THE NEXT SECTION AND PUT CONCERNING AGENDA ITEMS. OH YEAH. SO LET ME PUT IT DOWN THERE. WELL, WE'VE DONE THAT IN PUBLIC FORUM WHERE SOMEBODY HAS COME UP AND WE'VE SAID, EXCUSE ME. WAIT, DO YOU MEAN BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH? OR WE HAVE ASKED CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. MAYBE CLARIFYING IS THE WORD THAT NO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE ASKED QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC FORUM. YEAH. REALLY PUBLIC FORUMS. THE BEGINNING AT THIS WHEN PEOPLE ARE DISCUSSING THINGS THAT AREN'T ON THE AGENDA AT ALL. AND THERE'S, WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT CAN WE LISTEN? YEAH. A QUESTION WOULD BE CONSIDERED DISCUSSION. RIGHT. OKAY. I'M CONVINCED. OKAY. BUT I, WE COULD PUT IT DOWN. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE OTHER PART. OKAY. WHO WOULD BE REFERRED TO, UH, CITY STAFF IF THERE WAS BRIAN? I CAN'T HEAR YOU ON THE MIC. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MUCH FURTHER. SORRY. THERE. THE, THE EXISTING LANGUAGE ALLOWS FOR A REFERRAL TO CITY STAFF. SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UH, A CLARIFYING QUESTION THAT'S NEEDED MAYOR COULD ASK STAFF TO. WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST TWO. YEAH. JUST JESSICA, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO UNTIL THEORETICAL OBJECTION TO ASKING A QUESTION. I, I REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING INTO A BACK AND FORTH, A BACK AND FORTH, A BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SPEAKER, WITH WHOEVER'S SPEAKING. I THINK THAT IS REALLY, BUT LET'S GO DOWN TO WHERE WE, WE ARE RIGHT NOW. OH, WELL THAT'S, WE'RE NOT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE NOT THERE. OKAY. YOU'LL CALL ON ME WHEN WE GET THERE. I WILL ABSOLUTELY. THE NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. BUT I'LL CALL ON YOU FIRST. I WON'T FORGET. GOOD. OKAY. SO CHANGES ARE ON, SO IT, IT WOULD BE REDUCING THE TIME LIMIT. WELL, FIRST THE PUBLIC INPUT CONCERNING AGENDA ITEMS TO COUNSELOR KINS SELL'S POINT. WE COULD PUT RIGHT HERE. COUNSELORS MAY ASK THE PUBLIC A QUESTION IF THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WANTED. BUT IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH JUAN? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA ASK. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A BIG, I THINK IF WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO ONE IMPORTANT QUESTION. NOT NO, NO, NO, NO. I'M NUMBER ONE AS PART OF NUMBER. I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GO DOWN AND, AND SO ITEM NUMBER ONE IS ON THE TABLE. YEAH. AND CAN WE TALK, FINISH THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES. I AM FINE WITH ONE AS IT IS. YES. YES, YES, YES. YEP. TWO, TWO IS THE THANK YOU STATES THE SAME THING. UM, THEY CAN BE REDUCED TO THREE MINUTES TO ALLOW TIME FOR ALL SPEAKERS. AND WE COULD PUT IN HERE, THIS IS WHERE, UH, IF COUNCIL WANTED TO ASK QUESTION AND MAKE THAT PART OF THEIR STANDARD PROCEDURE. YES, PLEASE. WE COULD PUT IT IN THERE. CAN IT GO UNDER A SOMEWHERE? YES. THAT'S WHERE IT IS. HERE IS WHERE ARE YOU PUTTING THAT? KURT? UNDER A TWO A. YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD GO IN TWO A. NO, ACTUALLY, AND THAT'S WHERE MY POINT COMES IN. RIGHT THERE. [02:15:02] YES. . NO, NO. OKAY. IT COULD JUST GO RIGHT INTO RIGHT HERE. I'M LETTING HIM FINISH BETWEEN THESE TWO COUNSELORS MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF SPEAKERS. YEAH. I THINK IT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE ITS OWN LETTER. IT NEEDS TO EITHER, YEAH, I AGREE. SUPPLANT C, WHICH WOULD BECOME D OR IT COULD GO ON AS D I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE COMING IN BEFORE, BEFORE THE PREVIOUS C. AGREE. I WAS TRYING TO BE FLEXIBLE. DO WE WANNA CALL 'EM FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS OR JUST QUESTIONS? ASK SPEAKERS QUESTIONS. CONFIRMING QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION? THAT'S, THAT'S THE WORD. CLARIFYING. CLARIFY. I DON'T THINK THAT HELPS. WHAT I, I I I I I DON'T, I THINK QUESTIONS BY DEFINITION, I THINK THAT DOESN'T HELP BECAUSE IT HAS NO DEFINITION CLARIFYING. AND I WILL SAY IT'S CLARIFYING AND YOU'LL SAY NO, IT'S NOT. SO I THINK QUESTIONS IS, IS STAND ON ITS OWN. ALL RIGHT. SO WE COULD DO COUNSELORS, MASK SPEAKERS, QUESTIONS AT THE CONCLUSION OF THEIR THREE MINUTES OR MM-HMM. I TO YEAH. SO YOU DON'T WANT, YOU DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT, RIGHT? NO, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD INTERRUPT ANYWAY. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW US VERY WELL, . WELL, I KNOW YOU WELL. AND THAT, THAT'S A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. SOMEONE, WAS IT COUNCIL FERMAN JUST SAID DO, DO THEY DO IT RIGHT AT THE END OF THE SPEAKER? OR DO YOU WAIT TO THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD AND THEN BRING 'EM BACK UP FOR QUESTIONS? GENERALLY WHEN WE'VE HAD THOSE QUESTIONS, WE LISTEN TO ALL THE, THE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE MIGHT ASK A QUESTION AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC INPUT, BRING THE PERSON BACK UP. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. YES. BUT NOW WE'RE JUST THAT, THAT, THAT'D PROBABLY MAKE IT MORE RARE. UM, SO THAT HAS TO BE A PRETTY SERIOUS QUESTION, IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ASK. RIGHT. THE CONCLUSION, I STILL HAVE A CONCERN OF A BACK AND FORTH GETTING GOING. I THINK THAT THAT'S A NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'D WANT TO, HOW, HOW COULD WE PREVENT THAT? UM, DOES THE MAYOR HAVE THE PREROGATIVE TO CUT OFF IF IT GETS TO BE TOO EXTENSIVE? IF IT, IF IT GOES INTO A BACK AND FORTH, YOU ASK ONE QUESTION. AND I LIKE, I KNOW THE GUY WHO SAT THERE, HE ASKED ME A QUESTION, I ANSWERED IT, AND HE STARTED ARGUING WITH ME BACK AND FORTH. NO. RIGHT. AND THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK WE WANT TO AVOID. CORRECT. AND SO I'M ASKING THAT, WAS AN APPLICANT A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A PUBLIC? NO, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING COULD HAPPEN. CORRECT. WELL, AND YES. THE, THE MAYOR, UH, DISCRE DOES HAVE THE DISCRETION TO, FOR, FOR ANY PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS. AND SO YOU COULD, COULD YOU LIMIT COMMENT OR QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME? AND THEN COUNSEL'S THE REST OF COUNCIL'S, UH, RECOURSE OF THAT IS THEY CAN TAKE A VOTE AND OVERRULE HIM IF THEY DIDN'T AGREE. BRIAN, YOU HAD A QUESTION? NO, I JUST DITTO WHAT KURT JUST SAID. OKAY. OKAY, PETE, YOU NOT ON THAT. I WOULD GO ON TO ANOTHER. OKAY. THAT PARAGRAPH B TWO B MAY, MAY GRANT ADDITIONAL TIME TO SPEAKER TO KIRK. YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT MORE ON THAT. I, I DON'T, I, QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THAT WAS TO SPEAKERS REPRESENTING TWO OF OUR PERSONS WHO WERE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING AND HAVE FILLED OUT SPEAKER CARDS AND THEY SURRENDER. GOOD ADDITION. YES. THAT, THAT WAS OUR OLD RULE. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE UNWRITTEN RULE. AND THAT'S WHAT I FELT LIKE THE MAJORITY OF COUNSEL WAS. THE DIRECTION WAS AT THE MEETING. I, AND I NEGLECTED TO PUT THAT IN HERE. OKAY. BUT DID, BUT SOMEBODY CAME UP AND THEY PRESENTED, THEY READ SOMETHING FROM ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T BE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING. BUT WITHIN THREE MINUTES OR MORE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE, WAS IN THE THREE MINUTES. AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY COMING UP AND SAYING, OH, I REPRESENT 20 PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PRESENT. WHO ARE NOT PRESENT. OKAY. RIGHT. SO, BUT IF YOU HAVE 20 PEOPLE IN THE SAME ROOM AND THEY ALL SAY, LET HIM BE OUR SPEAKER, WHICH WHICH IS I THINK A PRACTICE WE GENERALLY WANNA ENCOURAGE CUZ IT WILL BE QUICKER THAN HAVING THEM EACH GO INDIVIDUALLY. BUT I DOES IT, DO YOU WANNA HAVE IN THERE SOMEWHERE THAT IT'S NOT THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. SO IT, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S LEFT PURPOSELY, UM, UNDEFINED SO THAT THE MAYOR CAN DETERMINE GOTCHA. WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT. PERHAPS IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MORE SERIOUS, UM, MAYBE YOU, YOU YOU GIVE THEM MORE TIME. BUT IF IT'S LESS, UM, THAT'S FINE. AND, AND THEN THEY, AND THEIR RECOURSE OF COURSE WOULD BE IF THEY DON'T AGREE TO THE TIME YOU ALLOTTED, THEN THEY CAN DO IT INDIVIDUALLY. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. SO, OKAY. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT? AGREEMENT WITH THAT? MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO NOW FOUR. ALL RIGHT. SO FOUR IS JUST ADDED IN, UH, CLARIFICATION THAT APPEALS FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT [02:20:01] ALSO FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURE. UH, THE 10 MINUTES SEEMED A LITTLE RESTRICTIVE TO ME. UM, AND, AND DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ANY APPEALS OR CONCERNS WITH SOMEONE SAYING I WAS ONLY GIVEN 10 MINUTES TO PRESENT MY CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. SO 20 MINUTES. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS ONE IS. I THINK THAT'S JUST THE EXTRA SPACE. UH, AND THEN DOWN HERE, UH, CUZ THERE HAD BEEN QUESTIONS BEFORE, UM, CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANTS AND THE ANSWERS? OF COURSE. UM, AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR THERE, THAT YOU CAN COUNSEL CAN THEN ASK QUESTIONS DELIBERATE AND REACH A DECISION ON THE APPEAL. AND YOU WANNA PUT A, A SPACE BETWEEN SECOND LINE THEIR POSITION, SECOND LINE SECOND, SECOND LINE DOWN AFTER PRESENT, PRESENT THEIR POSITION. MINE DOESN'T HAVE A, A SPACE BETWEEN TWO WORDS. DOESN'T, MINE DOESN'T EITHER. OH. OH YEAH, I SEE IT. SO YEAH, WHAT IS IT? THEIR POSITION. RIGHT. THAT'S ALL. SO TO DO THAT I WILL HAVE TO, OH, SORRY. . I WILL HAVE TO DELETE THE R AND PUT THE R BACK IN AND THEN A SPACE OR AH, SEE IT'S JUST SHAREPOINT DOES THAT. NO PROBLEM. I'LL HIGHLIGHT IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S FIXED. OKAY. AND THE QUESTION, WHY IS IT SAY WILL THEN ALLOW BLANK PUBLIC COMMENT? THAT'S JUST THE, IT'S AGAIN, SEE IT'S WHERE IT'S SHOWING THERE'S THE DOCUMENT THINKS THERE'S A SPACE THERE, BUT IT'S NOT SHOWING. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST FORMATTING ISSUE. OKAY. WITH THE PROGRAM METHOD THOUGHT. AND SO IF, AND IF YOU HIT A PLUS, THEN PMI. YEAH, IT'S UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BOTH MICROSOFT PRODUCTS, WHENEVER YOU TAKE A MICROSOFT WORD DOCUMENT AND UPLOAD IT TO SHAREPOINT AND THEN REDOWNLOAD IT, THE FORMATTING DOES THIS. SO, BUT YEAH. UH, TYPOS LIKE THAT, WE CAN, WE CAN CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. UH, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE. NO, WE WILL MOVE TO THE INTRODUCTORY ITEM. UH, THIS IS ON PAGE 1 0 3 OF THE PACKAGE, PAGE 17 OF THE RULES. UM, THE PREVIOUSLY STATED YOU COULD JUST HAVE TWO COUNSELORS AND THEN IF THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINED IT WAS GONNA TAKE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF RESEARCH OR STAFF TIME, YOU'D GET A AGENDA DICE FOR THE INTRODUCTORY ITEM. OVER THE PAST YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD THIS IN PLACE, MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER, UM, THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE 15 MINUTE INTRODUCTORY PORTION WORKS. SO I TRIED TO CLARIFY THAT EACH TIME WE DID THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT TOOK LONGER THAN 15 MINUTES. SO I GAVE IT A LITTLE MORE TIME, 20 MINUTES, BUT CLARIFIED THAT THE, YOU GET 10 MINUTES FOR, FOR PRESENTATION AND THEN 10 MINUTES FOR DISCUSSION AND THEN THE MAYOR SHOULD BE CALLING A VOTE. UM, AND THEN WHAT WAS DISCUSSED MOST RECENTLY AT CITY COUNCIL MEETING OR THE CITY COUNCIL RETREAT WAS THAT IF FOUR OR MORE COUNSELORS SUPPORT IT, THEN WE CAN SKIP THE INTRODUCTORY ITEM. KATHY. SO THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION IS THE FOUR OR MORE COUNSELORS. SO IF THERE'S A NEW ITEM THAT YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW, WE ARE LIMITED IN HOW MANY COUNSELORS WE CAN SPEAK TO ABOUT AN ITEM. AND THAT WOULD BE THREE. CUZ OTHERWISE WE'RE AT OVER THE LIMIT OUT OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING. DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING, YOU COULD PROPOSE IT. UM, IF YOU'VE TALKED TO TWO OTHERS AND HAVE SUPPORT OF IT, THEN YOU'VE GOT THREE VOTES ALREADY. IF ONE MORE PERSON SUPPORTS IT, THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE FOUR AT THE PUBLIC MEETING. BUT THIS ALSO APPLIES TO TRYING TO GET AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA GENERALLY. AND YOU CAN'T HAVE FOUR TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA WITHOUT, SO I, I'M SUGGESTING THAT THIS BE REDUCED DOWN TO THREE COUNSELORS BECAUSE THAT'S WHO CAN TALK ABOUT AN ITEM. YES, IT WORKS IN THE, IN THE SETTING WHEN IT COMES UP THAT WAY. BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PLACE AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR TWO, BUT FOR SOME REASON IT'S CONTROVERSIAL OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW. BUT IF YOU, I THINK IF YOU GET A THIRD, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA. CUZ YOU CAN'T GO TO A FOURTH, NOT NOT OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC MEETING. RIGHT. RIGHT JESSICA. AND WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT AT A PUBLIC MEETING IF IT'S NOT AGENDAS. SO. WELL I THINK MY SENSE IS THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE MAJORITY VOTE AND THE OPEN MEETING LAW THING IS SUPPOSED TO PREVENT IS FOR COUNSELORS GETTING TOGETHER OUT OF THE OPEN MEETING LAW AND, AND DECIDING ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TOGETHER. I THINK THAT'S THE EXACT REASON THAT THAT'S IN THERE. AND SO I THINK, I THINK IT SHOULD STAY AT FOUR AS AS THOUGH IF, IF IN FACT FOUR PEOPLE, THE MAJORITY. YEAH. WELL IT, IT MAKE, IT DOES, I THINK THAT THE OPEN MEETING LAW IS SUPPOSED TO PREVENT FOUR COUNSELORS FROM GETTING TOGETHER OUTSIDE OF THE OPEN MEETING LAW AND DECIDING HOW THEY'RE GONNA VOTE. CORRECT. SO REDUCING IT TO ONLY NEEDING THREE KIND OF NEGATES THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTING SOMETHING ON AN AGENDA AND, [02:25:01] AND JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, UM, MAKE A GRAMMAR NAZI CHANGE SUPPORTED BY FEWER . I, I, I'M LOST. YEAH. YOUR POINT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. JESSICA, I'M, I UNDERSTAND. SORRY, I WHAT JESSICA WAS SAYING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT REALLY MAKES IT DOES I I UNDERSTAND. BUT I THINK ALSO, IF YOU CAN, CAN CONVINCE TWO OTHER PEOPLE OFF OFF THE MEETING AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, YOUR TOPIC AND YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT, YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO CONVINCE THE FOURTH ONE ON THE DAIS. THAT'S RIGHT. NO, YOU DON'T. BUT YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT A AGENDAS AND YOU CAN'T DISCUSS IT. SO, SO THERE'S NOT A DISCUSSION, BUT YOU CAN BE, UM, IN YOUR, WHEN PROPOSING A NEW COUNCIL ITEM, YOU CAN BE SPECIFIC AND, AND CLARIFY ENOUGH TO SEE IF YOU GET THE FOURTH ONE. THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T WHETHER OR NOT IT ENDS UP ON AGENDA. IT WILL END UP ON AN AGENDA IF YOU HAVE TWO, THREE, OR FOUR. IT'S WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BYPASS THE INTRODUCTORY ITEM. UM, AND THAT'S ONLY WHEN THE CITY MANAGER CALLS THAT, WHICH IS FAIRLY RARELY, UM, THAT SHE'S EXERCISED THAT THAT RIGHT. TO, TO MAKE IT GO TO INTRODUCTORY ITEM. YOU WANNA WEIGH IN, KAREN? YEAH. I THINK THIS IS REALLY INTENDED FOR THOSE THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF NO-BRAINERS. RIGHT? AND I'M TRYING TO THINK OF AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, WHERE IS THE DOG PARK? NO, , BUT, BUT THINGS WHERE ALL YOU REALLY HAVE TO DO IS SAY THE TOPIC AND THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE WHO ARE ABSOLUTELY, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? UM, AND THAT WILL HAPPEN FOR THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE MORE CONTROVERSIAL OR NEED MORE CONVERSATION, THAT'S WHEN THE INTRODUCTORY ITEM COMES IN AND THEN YOU GET YOUR 10 MINUTES TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE PITCH TO, TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE FOUR, AT LEAST FOUR. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M SORRY. I DON'T LIKE THIS CHANGE. I DON'T LIKE THIS, UM, LANGUAGE. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. OKAY, WELL, PETE, AND THEN, AND IF BRIAN DID HAVE HIS, WELL ACTUALLY LET LET BRIAN GO CAUSE HE DID HAVE HIS HAND UP FIRST. OKAY. THIS IS A CLARIFYING, A CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR KURT. I MAY GET SLAPPED HERE, BUT TALKING TO ME, TALKING TO THREE OTHER COUNSELORS ABOUT WHETHER TO AGENDA SOMETHING IS NOT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE TO APPROVE WHAT WOULD BE NO. AN OUTCOME FROM AGENDA. SO IT'S, IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH THAT I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, IT'S, IT'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TOPIC AND IF YOU SUPPORT THE ITEM, THEN THERE YOU CAN BE INFERRED THAT YOU, YOU SUPPORT THE ITEM GOING ON THE AGENDA, THEN IT SOMETIMES CAN BE INFERRED THAT YOU SUPPORT THE ITEM ITSELF AND, AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS CAN QUICKLY SPIRAL OUT. SO YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, CON AND CONTINUE TO ADVISE COUNSEL TO ONLY SPEAK WITH TWO OTHER COUNSELORS. SO THERE'S NEVER MORE THAN THREE ON ANY TOPIC. OKAY. SO SLAPPED, THANK YOU . OKAY, PETER, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, UH, AM STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE LIMITATION THAT SOME C IN IN THE LANGUAGE. I THINK THIS IS GOOD CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. I MIGHT THOUGH ADD, JUST TO BE CLEAR, PERHAPS IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYONE AND IT'S NOT NEEDED 10 MINUTES FOR PRESENTATION BY THE COUNSELORS. JUST SO NO ONE SETS AN EXPECTATION FOR THE CITY STAFF THAT THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR BURDEN. THIS IS A BURDEN THAT'S ON THE COUNCIL. OKAY. I AGREE. UH, WITH THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. SO I'M FINE WITH THE, THE FOUR. SO, UH, MELISSA, YEAH, I JUST, UM, THE WAY I READ THIS, IT STARTS OUT WITH ONE, NOT A, B, C, D, E. SO STARTING OUT AT ONE, THIS IS ABOUT MAKING A REQUEST AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING DURING FUTURE MEETINGS SLASH AGENDA ITEMS. SO WE'RE ALREADY IN A PUBLIC MEETING, RIGHT? WITH THE FOUR, THIS IS NOT ABOUT GOING OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING AND TRYING TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. THIS IS WHILE WE ARE ACTUALLY SITTING HERE AND WE'RE IN THAT ONE SECTION OF THE PUBLIC MEETING AGENDA. IF FOUR PEOPLE SAY, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA MM-HMM. , THEN WE DON'T NEED THE INTRODUCTORY. I I DON'T THINK THIS HAS ANYTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH NOT BEING IN A PUBLIC MEETING. KURT, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? SO, SO I DON'T SWEAR IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. IT DOES TALK ABOUT COUNSELORS. UM, OR IT'S RIGHT HERE I GUESS. SO AS AN ALTERNATIVE, AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST THE ALTERNATIVE. SO I THINK YOU PROBABLY ARE READING IT CORRECTLY. THE COUNCIL MAY COUNSELOR MAY CONTACT THE CITY MANAGER WITH THE REQUEST AND PUT IT ON. UM, YEAH, I DON'T SEE IT ADDRESSED ANYWHERE OTHER THAN IN THIS SECTION BEYOND, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, MELISSA, ABOUT THIS ADDRESSING ADE, BUT THEN THIS IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT'S ADDRESSING THIS THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, OUTSIDE THAT SETTING, WHICH IS WHERE MY ISSUE COMES INTO PLAY. I, I NEED IT ADDRESSED ELSEWHERE OR I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND. I'M [02:30:01] SORRY. I THINK THE CONFUSION, I THINK, IS THAT WHAT MELISSA SAID HERE IS HOW IT READS. I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE DESIRE TO MAKE IT THREE COUNCIL PEOPLE INSTEAD OF FOUR AROSE FROM A DESIRE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO FOUR PEOPLE BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING. SO THAT, AND THAT'S I THINK THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS I THINK THAT'S DIRECTLY CONTRADICTORY TO THE OPEN MEETING LAW, WHICH IS WHY IT'S FOUR. AND SO I WOULD HAVE TROUBLE MAKING IT THREE. SO I THINK THAT'S THE CONFUSION. YES. THE THE FOUR WOULD BE ONLY IN THE OPEN MEETING LAW FINE, BUT SOMEONE NO, I KNOW, BUT I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO, THAT'S THE REASON NOT IN A PUBLIC FORUM EVEN CAME UP WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A, A, A DISCUSSION ABOUT REDUCING IT SO THAT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT COULDN'T BE DISCUSSED OUTSIDE. PLEASE. SO, UM, MY POINT BEING THAT THIS IS A SUBSET, A SUB-C CLARIFICATION POINT OF THE ITEM NUMBER ONE, ITEM ITEM NUMBER ONE IS TALKING ABOUT US BEING IN A PUBLIC MEETING AT THE TIME THAT A WOULD APPLY IF WE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT TALKED ABOUT A APPLYING OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING, WE NEED ANOTHER POINT. YES. IT'S NOT 0.1. SO ALL I'M SAYING IS, IF I WAS READING THIS CORRECTLY, HIS WORDING CHANGE REFERS TO US ALREADY BEING IN THE PUBLIC MEETING AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH US TALKING OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT ANY AGENDAS ITEM. I'M GLAD YOU POINTED OUT, I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I DO WANNA POINT TOO, CUZ I, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, AND IT'S NOT ADDRESSED HOW WE ADDRESS SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT FORM BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS BE. AND THE REASON THAT I'M STUCK ON THREE VERSES FOUR IS BECAUSE AS I SAID, YOU CAN'T DO THE FOUR, BUT ALSO THE MAJORITY CHA MINDS CHANGE. I'VE SAT UP HERE ON THIS DEES DURING DISCUSSIONS AND I'VE SEEN MINDS CHANGE DURING A DISCUSSION THAT'S POINTED OUT. I KNOW WE DON'T WANT ONE OR MAYBE TWO PUTTING SOMETHING ON BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A MINORITY. BUT IF YOU CAN CONVINCE THREE COUNSELORS TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, I THINK THAT YOU, THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE YOU CAN CHANGE OTHER MINDS DURING THE COURSE OF DISCUSSION, BUT YOU CAN NEVER GET TO THE DISCUSSION IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT. AND THE MAJORITY IS ALWAYS GOING TO CONTROL THE VOICE OF THE MINORITY, WHICH TO ME IS NOT RIGHT. YOU GET, YOU SHOULD HAVE A FORUM, BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR CASE. DOESN'T MEAN WE GET TO BRING UP EVERY LITTLE DIDDLY THING ALL THE TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE COUNSELOR AT A TIME. BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK THREE IS THE RIGHT NUMBER IN 0.2. IT'S LIKE I CAN'T HAVE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE CONTROLLING VOTING RIGHTS. LIKE I THINK THIS IS REALLY A GOOD, IT'S ANALOGOUS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THE MAJORITY CONTROLLING THE RIGHTS OF THE MINORITY. AND I, I, I REALLY WANT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR IF YOU CAN GET THREE COUNSELORS THAT YOU GET TO MAKE YOUR STATE YOUR CASE AND MAKE YOUR POINT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE IN INTEREST OF LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS? YES. CAN WE TAKE A CONSENSUS? I I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. SO WOULD I FOR THAT FOR 0.1? YES. BUT I'M RAISING 0.2, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. WAIT, THERE'S ONE AND THERE'S A WHERE'S TWO? RIGHT? WHERE IS WE'RE LOOKING AT? IT DOESN'T EXIST YET THAT OKAY. THAT'S, I'M I'M GONNA BROUGHT UP A AS IT IS, UM, CAN SUPPORT A AS LONG AS IT, WE ARE CLEAR RIGHT? YOU THAT IT'S ONLY PERTAINING TO AADE. AND NOW I WANNA MAKE SURE THOUGH I CAN ONLY SUPPORT THAT IF I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS SOMEWHERE ELSE. IF IT GETS VOTED DOWN, IT GETS VOTED DOWN. BUT I WANT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ADDRESS THIS ELSEWHERE. MY CONCERN ABOUT TRYING TO AGENDA SOMETHING OFF THE DAES. WAIT, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT YOU HAVE SUPPORT ANYWHERE ELSE OFF. I, I THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE HAVEN'T WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW. IS THERE ANY SUPPORT FOR WHAT I I'M MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. IF I, I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER PLACE IT'S, IT IS RIGHT HERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE. YOU CAN, A COUNSELOR COULD REQUEST A CITY MANAGER TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. AND, BUT THAT DOESN'T, I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOLVE IT, BUT THAT'S, THAT IS THE ONLY OTHER PLACE WHERE IT DISCUSSED, UH, I GUESS OFF THE DAY IS MOTIONS OR REQUESTS TO PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA. BECAUSE THAT GOES BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER OR DEPARTMENT HEAD CAN HAVE ITEMS PLACED ON THE AGENDA. UH, IF I, COULD I ASK KATHY MM-HMM. WHAT A RECOMMENDED TWO WOULD BE TO YOU? I CUZ I, WHAT I'M HEARING, AND I DON'T THINK I'M RIGHT, IS A CHANGE IN THE OPEN MEETING LAW WHERE FOR THIS PURPOSE YOU CAN TALK TO FOUR PEOPLE. NO, I NOT, NO, I'M SAYING PEOPLE NO, NO. I SAID I MISUNDERSTOOD IT BECAUSE I DO NOT WANNA CIRCUMVENT THE OPEN MEETING LAW. NO, I, THAT'S NOT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT IF THREE COUNSELORS BRING SOMETHING FORWARD, AND KAREN IS VERY GOOD AS OUR CITY MANAGER, BUT KAREN MAY NOT BE HERE IN 10 YEARS. UM, AND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE MIGHT BE, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THREE COUNSELORS WOULD [02:35:01] BE ABLE TO SAY, TO OVERRIDE A DECISION TO KEEP SOMETHING OFF THE AGENDA BY SAYING, THIS SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. THE WELL, SO THAT THIS IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE HERE IS THIS IS JUST THE INTRODUCTORY ITEM DISCUSSION. ABSOLUTELY. TWO COUNSELORS CAN ALWAYS GET IT ON THE AGENDA. ABSOLUTELY. TWO COUNSELORS CANNOT GET IT ON THE AGENDA TO COUNSELORS CAN GET IT ON FOR 20 MINUTES TO MAKE A PITCH. KAREN. YEAH. I I THINK TO THAT POINT, IT DOES ONLY TAKE TWO IF, IF YOU DON'T WANNA GO WITH THE FOUR, ALL YOU NEED IS TWO PEOPLE TO GET IT ON AN AGENDA, IN WHICH CASE THEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONVINCE EXACTLY THE OTHER TWO OR THREE OR FOUR THAT IT IS AN ITEM WORTH CONTINUING TO DISCUSS AND BRING BACK FOR FULL CONSIDERATION. MM-HMM. . SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MINORITY BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE VOICE MM-HMM. OVER THE MAJORITY, THAT'S THE VOICE. THAT'S WHEN THE VOICE COMES IN IS WHEN, UM, IT GETS A GENED FOR THAT. MM-HMM. , I SENSE THAT I'M GOING DOWN IN FLAMES. , I'M GOING TO STILL OBJECT TO THIS LANGUAGE CHANGE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ADDRESS MY FULL POINTS. YOUR OBJECTION IS DULY NOTED. PETE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? I, I THINK THIS WAS THE CONVERSATION. I, I WAS GONNA SAY TOO, I I STILL NOT QUITE CLEAR THAT YOUR, YOUR DESIRE HERE IS, IS IN THE 20 MINUTE SEGMENT, THE 10 MINUTE SEGMENT NOW OR SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE DOING HERE IS GIVING TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SWAY TWO MORE. RIGHT? IN THAT 10, IN THAT 10 MINUTES. THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR WITHOUT STAFF TIME. WHEREAS MY THREE COUNSELOR TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA AUTOMATICALLY WOULD THEN ENABLE US TO HAVE SOME SUPPORT TO MAKE THE CASE BETTER THAN WE COULD MAKE AS TO LAY PEOPLE UP HERE WITHOUT MAYBE ENGINEERING IS BACK BACKING THAT WE NEED OR LEGAL BACK. WELL, THAT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE COULD GET LEGAL. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION AND DECIDE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS FOR CALLING THE QUESTION. WE DO. OH, NO, WE DEFINITELY DO. SO, UH, DO, IF WE COULD DO IT THUMB UP AND THUMB DOWN AS TO, I THINK WE VOTE ON THE MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION . . OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE VOTE ON THE EIGHT. RIGHT, KURT. WHICH, WHICH WE CAN, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN MORE INFORMAL DURING THESE RULES. SO IF YOU WANT TO JUST DO THE THUMBS UP. I'M, SO THOSE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING AS WRITTEN BY THIS, THE CITY ATTORNEY. THUMBS UP. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. OKAY. CAN I REGISTER MY THUMBS DOWN? YOU CAN SO MOVE. I, I I WANT, I THINK THIS, WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CLEAR, THIS ONLY APPLIES WHEN THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL RESEARCH OR STAFF TIME MORE THAN TWO HOURS. AND THAT'S GOTTEN LOST IN THIS CONVERSATION. GOOD POINT. NO, I THINK, UH, CITY MANAGER'S WELL AWARE OF THAT. IT'S ONLY WHEN NO, THE CITY MANAGER IS, BUT COUNSELORS HARD. IT'S HARD WHEN THE CITY MANAGER RAISES THAT AS AN ISSUE THAT THAT, THAT THIS THEN EVEN BECOMES THE INTRODUCTORY QUESTION INSTEAD OF ACT ACTUALLY ON, GENERALLY WHEN COUNSELORS ARE REQUESTING AN ITEM, IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY NEEDS, UH, CITY MANAGER AGREES AND IT GETS ON THE AGENDA. SO THIS IS A FAIRLY RARE OKAY. MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. WHAT PAGE ARE YOU LOOKING AT NOW, KURT? UH, SO PAGE 19 OF OH FIVE. OKAY. 1 0 5 IS ORDER AND CLOSING OF BUSINESS AND POSITION OF A CURFEW IN ALL. OH, OKAY. YES. UH, THERE YOU GO. YEAH. AND SO THE STATE LAW CHANGED COUNCIL AND, UH, THE MAYORS, MAYORS THROUGHOUT THE STATE KNOWING HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ORDER THE CLOSING OF ANY BUSINESSES. RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S ACTUALLY ALSO AN, AN ORDINANCE THAT STATES THE SAME THING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO UPDATE AT SOME POINT. UM, BUT EVEN WITHOUT UPDATING, IT'S, IT WILL REMOVE IT FROM THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, UM, TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO, TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE LAW. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NO. ALL RIGHT. WHEN WAS THAT ADOPTED? THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION? UH, SIGNED THE LAST ONE. YEAH, THE LAST COMPLETE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. OKAY. SO NOW I GUESS WE'RE AT RULE SIX, ITEM A ONE PAGE 1 0 9. YEP. PAGE 1 0 9. SO, UH, IN GENERAL COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE LIMITED PUBLIC FORUMS, MEANING COUNCIL SETS THE AGENDA, UM, WITH INPUT FOR FROM STAFF. AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WILL BE HAPPEN IN THIS TYPE OF FORUM IS LIMITED TO THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. UH, THE ONE EXCEPTION TO THAT, THAT CITY THAT THE CITY HAS HAD IS THE PUBLIC FORUM, UM, WHERE THERE WAS NO LIMIT TO WHAT COULD BE DISCUSSED. UH, I PROPOSE ONE CHANGE HERE THAT WE WOULD LIMIT THE PUBLIC FORUM, MAKE IT A, UH, A SEMI-PUBLIC FORUM, I GUESS, OR A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM WHERE IT'S AT LEAST THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE [02:40:01] JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. UM, THIS IS COMPLETELY AT THE DISCRETION OF CITY COUNCIL. UM, THE THREE MINUTE PUBLIC FORUM CAN BE ON ANYTHING, UH, BY JURISDICTION THAT WOULD BE TOPICAL OR, OR GEOGRAPHICAL. SO IF THERE'S AN EVENT TAKING PLACE IN THE CITY, YOU CAN STILL COME INTO PUBLIC FORUM AND TALK ABOUT IT. IF IT'S ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE FAIRLY BROAD STILL, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLETELY WITH OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY, UH, THEN IT COULD BE LIMITED. AND THE, THE ONE EXAMPLE I HAVE IS DOWN HERE IN, IN PARAGRAPH THREE. UM, SO THE INFLUENCING THE OUTCOME OF AN ELECTION, UH, ELECTIONEERING AT THE, DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM, UM, IS GENERALLY NOT ALLOWED IN ANY CITIES, PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE ATION AGAINST USING CITY RESOURCES TO INFLUENCE AN ELECTION. UM, MANY PEOPLE INTERPRET USING THE CITY'S, UH, BUILDING, UH, MICROPHONE AND BROADCASTING SYSTEM, UH, TO BE USING CITY RESOURCES TO INFLUENCE AN ELECTION. AND IF YOU DIDN'T, IF YOU DID ALLOW THAT, THEN YOU COULD HAVE A, SOME PARADE OF CANDIDATES BRINGING PEOPLE INTO CAMPAIGN FOR THEM DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM PERIOD. UH, SO, BUT AGAIN, THIS, THIS BEGINNING PART, UM, WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COUNCIL IS, IS ONE WAY TO LIMIT PUBLIC FORUM, UM, IF THAT WAS INTERESTED. THIS MIDDLE PART IS JUST WE DON'T ASK FOR THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS. WE WOULD LIKE THE RESIDENTS, UH, SPEAKERS JUST TO PROVIDE US THEIR CITY OR TOWN OF RESIDENCE. UM, AND SO WE CAN START WITH THOSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON DOWN TO THE NEXT PART. SO GOING, GOING BACK TO ONE. SO ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE, UH, TRAILS, RIGHT? THAT'S, AND BUT WOULD THAT MEAN EXACTLY? THAT'D BE THE, THE PRIME EXAMPLE. UM, YOU GET OTHER, UM, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE COME IN AND, AND RAIL FOR OR AGAINST ABORTION. UM, SOMETIMES IN, IN GRAPHIC DETAILS. UM, THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, PROPONENTS OF RELIGION OR AGAINST RELIGION. SO YOU CAN GET, AND WE HAVEN'T DEALT WITH THOSE THANKFULLY HERE, UH, RESIDENTS ARE, ARE CIVIL AND COME IN AND, AND OUR, THEIR PUBLIC FORUM ARE ON THINGS THAT ARE, ARE GERMANE TO THIS MEETING, GENERALLY JUST NOT UNDER THE AGENDA. UM, BUT THIS WOULD BE ONE WAY TO AT LEAST LIMIT IT TO SOMETHING THAT'S COUNCIL CAN ACTUALLY, UH, TAKE SOME ACTION ON OR, OR PARTICIPATE IN OR SOMETHING. PETE, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH. THANKS, MAYOR. UH, I, ON THIS ISSUE, I, I TENDED TO BE MORE OF A FREE SPEECHER. YEAH. HERE, AND I'M TRYING, AND KURT, YOU JUST SPOKE TO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? IT'S THE POTENTIAL PROBLEM. WE HAVEN'T REALLY FACED SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS YET. I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL COULD SPEND FAR MORE THAN THREE MINUTES ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S A JURISDICTION OF THE COUNCIL ISSUE ITSELF. IF SOMETHING CAME UP, THREE MINUTES ISN'T LONG, SIT ON YOUR HANDS, TOLERATE IT, MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A WARRANTED CHANGE AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT. AND THAT EVEN GOES DOWN INTO ITEM THREE. I THINK THAT IT, IF WE, WE SPOKE, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, THAT THE LITIGATION THAT EXISTS AROUND THAT IS REALLY ABOUT PUBLIC OFFICIALS USING THE RESOURCES OF THE CITY, NOT ABOUT THE PUBLIC USING THE RESOURCES OF THE CITY. AND, AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO STAND UP HERE AND CAMPAIGN FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR CITY COUNCIL RACE, IT'S A THREE MINUTES. I CAN, I CAN TOLERATE THAT. I WOULD RATHER HAVE BE ON THE SIDE OF FREE SPEECH THAN NOT A A, ALTHOUGH YOU, BRI YOU BRING UP A GREAT QUESTION THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO BE A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM, BUT I, I STILL WOULD RATHER STAND ON THE FREE SPEECH SIDE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SIDE, JESSICA? UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION'S MORE, MORE ON NUMBER THREE. SO, YEAH, I DON'T, I, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD THIS AS AN ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S, I MEAN, I'M NOT REALLY NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF DOING IT EITHER. UM, CUZ I THINK FIRST OUR CITIZENS THINK EVERYTHING'S IN OUR JURISDICTION. THE AIRPORT'S IN OUR JURISDICTION, UH, ATVS WEREN'T IN OUR JURISDICTION YET. WE'VE CERTAINLY EMBRACED DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THEM. SO I'M, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT I THINK THIS IS NEEDED AT THIS POINT. I HAVEN'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM THAT THIS SOLVES SCOTT ALL. HI. I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO DO THIS. I, WELL, I ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGE. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. OKAY, GO AHEAD, BRIAN. I FIND, UH, COUNSELOR FURMAN'S ARGUMENT FOR FREE SPEECH TO BE COMPELLING. AND, UH, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH HIM ON THAT. AND THE WAY YOU DEFINE JURISDICTION JUST NOW, KURT CERTAINLY SEEMS TO LEAVE THE DOOR WIDE OPEN TO WHAT SOMEONE MIGHT CONSIDER THAT TO BE. SO I WOULD, UH, NOT INCLUDE THAT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. KATE. KATHY? YEAH, [02:45:01] I'M, I'M COMPELLED BY THE FREE SPEECH ISSUE AS WELL IN THINKING ABOUT IT. UM, NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE CANDIDATE, CUZ I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR SOMEBODY TO GET UP AT THE PODIUM AND SAY, VOTE FOR X, DON'T VOTE FOR Y IN TERMS OF A PERSON. BUT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH, I THINK THIS IS A FORUM FOR PEOPLE TO GET UP AND SPEAK ABOUT BALLOT MEASURES, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE CITY BALLOT MEASURES. AND THAT WOULD, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SEPARATE THESE. SO IF I WANNA ALLOW IT ON THE BALLOT MEASURE, I GUESS I HAVE TO SAY, OKAY. IT'S FINE WITH ALL OF IT BECAUSE I DO THINK THIS IS A FREE SPEECH ISSUE AND A VOTER EDUCATION ISSUE OF WHERE PEOPLE STAND. SO I I I DON'T THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE INCLUDED. THIS CHANGE. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ONE ROW, RIGHT? UH, NO, WE TALKED ABOUT THREE AS WELL. OKAY, WELL THEN I HAVE AN ISSUE ABOUT, OKAY, LET ME TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING IN A BACK TO YOU. OKAY. OKAY. YES, MAYOR, YOU HAVE, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE PONDERING SOMETHING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I I AGREE. THIS IS A PROBLEM. WE, THAT DOESN'T EXIST MM-HMM. . SO WHY ARE WE TRYING TO CORRECT IT IN ONE MM-HMM. , WHICH I, I THINK IS WHERE WE ARE. I THOUGHT THAT'S, LET'S JUST GO THROUGH ONE AND GET A HEAD. THANK YOU. THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN? RIGHT? WELL, BEFORE WE EVEN GET THAT FAR, UH, MELISSA HASN'T SPOKEN. UH, BRIAN HAS, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN. SO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR YOU FEEL THE SAME? UM, I THINK THE ONLY, I DON'T, I DON'T, THE WORDING ON JURISDICTION, IF YOU LEFT IT IN THERE, IT ISN'T GONNA MATTER. PEOPLE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHATEVER THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT MM-HMM. . SO HAVING IT IN DOESN'T HURT, DOESN'T HELP. IT DOESN'T HELP . UM, IT JUST IS. AND, UM, I, I, UH, ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE OTHER SENTENCE, REMARK SHALL BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO CITY STAFF OR ANY MEMBER OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. RIGHT. THAT FORUM IS TO BE FOCUSED TO US. UM, PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE TURNING AROUND SPEAKING TO OTHER PEOPLE OR LOOKING TO OUR STAFF AND, AND MAKING COMMENTS. AND SO I THINK THAT HAS WEIGHT IN MERIT, UM, IN, IN THE PUBLIC FORUM AREA FOR SURE. AND THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE, I I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA MATTER WHETHER YOU LEAVE IT IN OR NOT. . OKAY. SO, UH, I WANNA THANK, UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON FOR REMINDING ME THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD O OHVS. OKAY? BUT NOT ONLY WOULDN'T WE HAVE OHVS, BUT I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS ON THE DAIS WHEN WE HAD THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, THE CAMPERS IN THE 5 25 AREA BY ENCHANTMENT THAT PEOPLE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE KURT THEN, OR, OR IF IT WAS ROBERT. HE WAS THERE, BUT, OKAY. BUT, AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THEY WERE BUILDING THIS RV CAMPGROUND AND THEY WERE GONNA HAVE OPEN FIRES. AND WE, WE HAD A MEETING HERE ABOUT IT. WE NEVER WOULD'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT. IF, WELL, THE GLAMPING, YOU MEAN THE GLAMP? NO, NO, NO, NO. THE, THE, THE SILVER. THE SILVER, SILVER, THE SILVER MACHINES OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? AIRSTREAMS. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SO, AND THAT TURNED NOT TO BE, I MEAN, THE PEOPLE CAME HERE AND IT KILLED THE DEAL FOR, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THAT. I, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THE PART OF KEMP TRAILS. WE, EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAVE SOMEONE COMING AND TALKING ABOUT KEMP TRAILS THAT'S OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION. SO WHAT, SO NO, I, I GET IT. AND I'D RATHER SPEND THREE MINUTES LISTENING TO THEM THAN TWO AND A HALF MINUTES TRYING TO CUT THEM OFF AND HAVING THEM, AND THEN HAVING EVERYBODY DENOUNCE YOU FOR DOING, DOING THAT . RIGHT. BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE SECOND PART. THE REMARK SHALL BE ADDRESSED TO COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. OKAY. AND NOT TO CITY STAFF. MM-HMM. . SO, SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT CONSENSUS. I REMOVED THE CHANGE IN THE FIRST SENTENCE YES. AND KEPT IT IN THE SECOND. OKAY. YES. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO TWO IS OKAY ON THAT. YEAH. OKAY. TWO, WE HAVE A CONSENSUS, RIGHT? TWO, WE HAVE A CONSENSUS. CONSENSUS. SO LET'S GO TO THREE. THREE, OKAY. THREE. I HAVE A QUESTION. MAYOR, BEFORE WE WE'RE GOING THROUGH, DID YOU HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ISSUE? YES, I HAVE THREE. BUT WE ARE MAKING DECISIONS WITHOUT HAVING HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE DECISIONS WE'VE MADE BEFORE WE MAKE THEM, AS OPPOSED TO AFTER WE MAKE THEM. BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING A, A FINAL DECISION UNTIL WE HAVE A MOTION TO VOTE ON ACCEPTING THIS OR NO. SO I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY WORK THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT. OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH. WE MAY ADDRESS SOMETHING. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. SORRY. IN SUPPORT OF WHAT THE PERSON IS GOING WITH THIS. I HAVE A QUESTION THEN ON NUMBER THREE. OKAY. UM, DOES THAT HAVE ANY HOME RULE FALL INTO THIS? YEAH. MEASURE. SO IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE, THE STATE LAW SAYS THE CITY, THE CITY CAN'T USE, UH, ITS RESOURCES TO INFLUENCE ANY ELECTION. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO THE GENERAL INTERPRETATION AND MINE IS THAT, AND, AND COUNCIL FIRM IS CORRECT, THOUGH THERE HAS BEEN NO LEGAL DIS THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HIT FOR VIOLENTLY, THIS HAVE BEEN PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND CITY OF OFFICIALS, CITY STAFF MEMBERS, NOT SEDONA, BUT IN OTHER PLACES IN THE STATE. UM, AND A RESIDENT HAS NEVER BEEN, UH, CHARGED WITH VIOLATING IN THAT SECTION. BUT IT'S, I BELIEVE, GENERAL INTERPRETATION THAT TO [02:50:01] COMPLY WITH THAT YOU CAN'T ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO USE CITY RESOURCES TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION. BUT THE FACT THE THE PRESENTATIONS WE MAKE ARE NOT ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST, THEY ARE EDUCATIONAL FACT BASED. SO THEY DON'T FALL ON HERE ANYWAY. CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WHERE ARE WE FOR THAT? I, I'M FINE. ITEM THREE, LEAVING IT AS IS. UH, OKAY. JESSICA, WHAT, WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE FINE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? AS IS YOU MEAN AS WRITTEN HERE? AS WRITTEN? AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE WAS SAYING. LET ME NO, I, I, MY, MY, MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED, AND I HAVE NO TROUBLE IF THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT CITY PROPERTY CAN'T BE USED TO ADVOCATE OR NOT ADVOCATE, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT'S ALL THIS IS. THIS IS JUST FOLLOWING STATE LAW, ISN'T IT? CORRECT. YES. THAT'S MY OPINION. SO, YEAH. SO IF IT'S, THAT'S OKAY. I, PETE, I I WOULD JUST SORT OF ADDING ON, IF ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS COMES TO SPEAK ABOUT SOME BALLOT MEASURE AND THERE HAVE A MISCONCEPTION ABOUT SOMETHING, THAT'S AN OUR OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF CORRECT THAT MISINTERPRETATION, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, THAT IT WOULDN'T EXIST. SO, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY WOULD OR NOT. IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, AND IT'S IN THE BEGINNING. OKAY. IF IT'S PUBLIC FORUM, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO CORRECT THE INFORMATION. YOU ONLY, YOU ONLY HAVE TIME TO ASK A QUESTION, NOT BACK AND FORTH. YEAH. SAY BACK AND FORTH. BUT WE TALKED ABOUT ALLOWING OUR STAFF TO ADDRESS ISSUES AND ANSWER THE STAFF THINGS MIGHT MAYBE AT A LATER DATE, WHY NOT NIP IT IN THE BUD ? I, BUT IF THE STATE LAW IS THE STATE LAW, THAT'S, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE STATE LAW HASN'T BEEN INTERPRETED FOR PEOPLE APPEARING BEFORE US. RIGHT. THE STATE LAW HAS NOT BEEN INTERPRETED THAT WAY YET. YEP. KATHY, OKAY. I, I, AGAIN, UH, THE FREE SPEECH ISSUE REALLY COMPELS ME, AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH, AGAIN, RULE SIX A THREE THAT CHANGED LANGUAGE, THE, THE, THE ADDED LANGUAGE OF ADVOCACY FOR, AGAINST THE CANDIDATE BALLOT MEASURE DURING A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I THINK YOU GET TO COME AND TALK ABOUT A BALLOT MEASURE. I MEAN, AGAIN, WE HAVE CITY SPONSORED BALLOT MEASURES. AND ALSO, I WANNA KNOW WHERE THE PUBLIC STANDS ON STATE BALLOT MEASURES, BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH IT LATER, UNLESS JOANNE DISAPPEARED. , YOU KNOW, ABOUT LEGISLATION. UM, SOME OF THAT RESULTS LATER IN OTHER BALLOT MEASURES WHEN IT FAILS, UM, AT THE STATE LEVEL. I, I I, I THINK THIS LIMITS SPEECH AND I THAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, I'M, I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. SO, CURTIS, FOR YOU, THIS CHANGE, IF WE DON'T CHANGE THIS AND THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT? YEAH. WE BRING IT BACK AND PROPOSE THE RULE AGAIN. OKAY. SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. I, I'D BRING THIS BACK AND RE PROPOSE THE RULE FOR CITY COUNCIL IF IT, IF IT BECAME A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE, I, I'M REALLY OPPOSED TO THIS. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND. AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A COURT IS GOING TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE FOR A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO COMES UP AND, AND GIVES US COMMENTS FOR THREE MINUTES, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. BUT IT, IT, SHOULD IT HAPPEN IF KURT WAS PRETTY CLEAR, BUT THEN AT THAT TIME WE WOULD CHANGE IT SIMILAR TO IT, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. NO, NO. AND I WOULD RATHER, WE'LL, WE'LL NOT HAPPEN. I WOULD RATHER LEAN TOWARD ALLOWING IT THAN CUTTING IT. YES. OKAY. UM, ANYTHING DIFFERENT? ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT? YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT KURT'S ASKING FOR, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, NOT, NOT CHANGING IT. ALL RIGHT. I'LL REJECT THE INSERT INSERTION THERE, AND THAT WILL ALSO JUST CHANGE THE NUMBERING. UM, RIGHT. SO TAKE OUT, AND THE THREE MINUTES TIME WAS JUST INSTEAD OF REFERENCING RULE THREE, I JUST LEFT ALL THAT IN RULE THREE. VERY GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. CONDUCT AT MEETINGS, UM, UH, IN PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE EXPRESSED THERE'S NO CLAPPING ALLOWED AT MEETINGS. UM, NO SIGNS, UH, DIFFERENT LANGUAGE. UH, THE, THE RULES AND LAWS ON THAT HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME. AND SO, UH, THAT PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED, IT'S PART OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CLAP, UM, UH, STOMP THEIR FEET, BE SOMEWHAT BOISTEROUS, ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED HERE, UM, OR OTHER THINGS. UH, BUT THEY'RE AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM, AND SO THAT NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO DISRUPT THIS MEETING. UM, AND SO WHILE THEY CAN EXPRESS THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, UH, THEY CAN'T DO SO WHEN SUCH CONDUCT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERRUPTS THE LASER DISTURBS THE PEACE AND GOOD ORDER OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE COUNCIL. UM, AND THAT LANGUAGE IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE NINTH CIRCUIT CASE. COSTA, UH, COSTA VERSUS THE CITY OF COSTA MESA, CALIFORNIA IS A 2013 [02:55:01] CASE, DECIDED BY THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS. UM, AND THAT LANGUAGE WAS, THEY CITED TO THIS LANGUAGE AMONG OTHER CITY ORDINANCES IN COSTA MESA. THEY STRUCK DOWN ORDINANCES BEFORE AND AFTER FOR, FOR BEING IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION. THIS ONE, THEY SAID WITH THE LIMITING LANGUAGE, UM, WAS OKAY. UM, THEY DID NOT STRIKE THIS ONE DOWN. AND SO IT'S BEEN USED BY A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES, UM, SINCE 2013. SO, KURT, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE OF WHAT BECOMES A SHOW OF SUPPORT AND I GUESS JUST A NORMAL AMOUNT OF CLAPPING VERSUS DISORDERLY, DISRUPTIVE, DISTURBING, DELAYING, OR BOISTEROUS? THAT WOULD BE MY CALL. UH, IT DID BE A REASONABLE PERSON'S CALL. AND SO CLAPPING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME PERIOD OF TIME IS GONNA BE FINE. RIGHT. UM, IF THEY CONTINUE TO CLAP, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS ISN'T EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT SAY THEY SAY A GROUP OF PEOPLE CAME IN AND CONTINUED TO CLAP IN EXCESS OF A, A MINUTE, AND YOU, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYOR SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO MOVE THE MEETING ALONG, AND THEY CONTINUE TO CLAP, YOU KNOW, AT, AT SOME POINT IT BECOMES, UM, IT'S INTERRUPTING THE MEETING. OKAY. AND SO, AND IT WOULD ALWAYS REQUIRE OR ALWAYS, UH, UH, A WARNING FIRST AND REMINDER OF THE RULES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. UM, AND THEN, UM, UH, YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE SUBSECTION THREE, WHICH IS REMAINING IN THERE. UM, WHICH WOULD CONSTITUTE DISORDERLY CONDUCT. BRIAN, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? MELISSA, VICE MAYOR, KATHY? YEAH, I JUST WANNA SAY I SUPPORT THIS LANGUAGE CHANGE BECAUSE IT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT IT'S ONLY WHEN THE CONDUCT INTERRUPTS OR DELAYS OR DISTURBS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR ME. YEAH. AND, AND FOR COUNSEL, ONE, ONE THING TO NOTE THIS IS, UM, OTHER CITIES HAVE ADOPTED THIS AS AN ORDINANCE. UH, SO IF YOU WERE TO VIOLATE IT, IT COULD BECOME A, A CIVIL OFFENSE OR A CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT. THIS IS REALLY IN PREPARATION, UM, AND TO HELP HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH COUNSEL. IT'S JUST PROPOSED IN THE RULES. THE ONLY TIME ANYONE COULD ACTUALLY BE CITED, UH, FOR ANY VIOLATION OF THESE OF THIS WOULD BE IF IT ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF, UH, DISORDERLY CONDUCT IN THE, IN THE STATE STATUTE, I THINK. AND SO, BUT THIS IS JUST TO OUTLINE WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. OKAY. PETE, I JUST HAVE A MINOR POINT HERE. I, I, I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT THE INTENT OF THIS. UH, I'M THOUGHTFUL, REMINDED OF MANY INSTANCES WHEN ATTORNEYS CAUTION US, THEY PREFER ACTUALLY NOT TO LIST THE ACTIONS. UH, YOU KNOW, SO SUCH NOT LIMITED TO, THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT THEN CAUSES ISSUES ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE LIST AND WHAT'S NOT ON THE LIST AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. BUT THEN SECONDARY TO THAT IS THAT WHEN I JUST, THIS IS A, A PERCEPTION MATTER. PERHAPS OUR RULES FOR THE PUBLIC ARE MORE THAN THE RULES FOR THE COUNCIL. AND I, I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT. SO, AND I THINK WE COULD ELIMINATE THE WORDS HERE, SUCH AS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ALL THE WAY UP TO WHEN SUCH CONDUCT IS, TIGHTEN THAT LANGUAGE UP, DON'T HAVE THAT LIST. AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS ALMOST THE SAME RULES FOR THE COUNCIL. I MEAN, THOSE WORDS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT REALLY IS THE SAME STUFF. AND THAT SORT OF EQUAL, I JUST LIKE THE IMAGE OF US HAVING AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE MORE LIMITED. AND THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS IN THIS RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT DOES TALK ABOUT OUR CONDUCT. SO I'M, I'M, I'M SATISFIED THAT WE'RE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS LANGUAGE BE KIND OF EQUAL ON BOTH PARTIES. KURT, YOU INPUT? SO I THAT'S, YEAH, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME OR THE MEANING, RIGHT? BY REMOVING SUCH AS, UH, THROUGH THERE, IT, IT MEANS THE SAME WITH OR WITHOUT IT. UM, THE HAND CLAPPING, STOMPING, WHISTLING, MAKING NOISY, PROFANE LANGUAGE, OBSCENE GESTURES, I THINK IS JUST, UH, A BIT OF A, A WARNING OR TO THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT, UH, WHAT TO EXPECT IF, IF, IF EXCESSIVE OR SUBSTANTIALLY INTERRUPTING THAT THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS WOULD BE. SO IT, IT GIVES SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT COULD BECOME. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE LISTED THERE. UH, THE PRIMARY REASON THEY'RE LISTED HERE IS BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S WAS THE LANGUAGE COSTA MESA USED, AND THE COURT APPROVED IT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I LEFT IT IN. UM, AS FAR AS THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, UH, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IT IS IT HAS REMOVED THAT THE EXAMPLE LANGUAGE, UM, AND THEN IT ADDS AN INSULIN. SO, SO ARE YOU SUPPORT, SUPPORTING, REMOVING THE EXAMPLES AND JUST LEAVING IT AS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS? I, I SUPPORT THE LANGUAGE AS I PROPOSED, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S FROM THE, THE NINTH CIRCUIT AND, UH, AND IT WAS REVIEWED IN THE COURT AND APPROVED. THANKS FOR REMINDING ME ABOUT THE NINTH CIRCUIT. AND GO AHEAD, KATHY. I LISTENED TO WHAT YOU SAID AND REALLY CONSIDERED IT, BUT ACTUALLY I LIKED THE LANGUAGE THE WAY [03:00:01] THAT KURT PROPOSED IT, BECAUSE IT CLARIFIES THAT IF SOMEBODY DOES CLAP, THAT THAT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW, BY HAVING THIS LANGUAGE IN THIS WAY, IT, IT INDICATES THAT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE LIST, ONLY IF IT BECOMES SUBSTANTIALLY DISTURBING OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE REST OF IT. SO I DON'T MIND HAVING IT. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THIS HELPS THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS OKAY TO CLAP OR SOMETHING. SO THAT, THAT'S INTERESTING. I DON'T READ IT THAT WAY. I THINK THIS, THE PUBLIC WOULD INTERPRET THIS AS WE'RE TELLING THEM THEY CAN'T CLAP. SEE, THAT'S FUNNY CUZ I, I READ IT AS IT'S TELLING THE PUBLIC THAT THEY CAN, OKAY. OKAY. JESSICA, YOU HAD, YEAH, I JUST, ONE OF, ONE OF MY CONCERNS, WHICH I JUST THINK IS PROBABLY OVERRULED BY THE INTENT OF FREE SPEECH IS WHEN PEOPLE STAND UP AND YOU HAVE 50 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM FOR SOMETHING AND TWO PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AGAINST IT, AND THE, THE PEOPLE WHO STAND UP AGAINST IT GET BOOED AND HISSED. AND I THINK JUST THAT'S, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S UNCONSCIONABLE, BUT THAT'S ALSO FREE SPEECH, CORRECT. SO THAT, I REALLY HATE THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE CAN BE BULLIED AND INTIMIDATED LIKE THAT AND THAT THEY ARE, AND THAT THEY WILL BE, I JUST WANNA SORT OF SAY THE SLEEVES HAVE REALLY UGLY TASTED MY MOUTH ABOUT PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING OR RELUCTANT TO, TO HAVE A, A MINORITY OPINION AND EVEN MORE RELUCTANT TO STATE A MINORITY OPINION AND THEN BECOME THE BUT OF, OF A LOT OF, OF, I GUESS WHAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED CURRENT AFFAIRS, UM, HERE IN AMERICA OF, OF ABUSE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT OTHER THAN THAT, I, I LIKE THE LISTING. I THINK KURT'S WANTING TO KEEP IT IN IS, IS ASSIGNED. I MEAN, I, I SUPPORT HIS, HIS, HIS INSTINCTS ON THIS AND I DON'T WANNA OVERRULE WHAT HE, WHAT HE WOULD FIND LEGAL COMFORT WITH. SO I'M HAPPY TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS HE YOURSELF, YES OR NO? UH, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THESE ARGUMENTS AND I SEE I, I'LL SUPPORT THE COUNCIL IN SETTING ITS RULES HERE. KATHY? YEP. MYSELF INCLUDED, MELISSA. UNANIMOUS. OKAY. DOES THAT COVER ONE AND TWO? YEAH, I THINK SO. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. I THINK WE'RE, YEAH, THE LAST ONE IS JUST ONE MORE. OH, COUNCIL AND, AND POLICIES. SEE, UM, WHAT PAGE, UH, IT IS PAGE 1 25 OF THE PACKET. PAGE 38 OF THE RULES. GET DOWN THERE. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, IT WAS SIMPLY A CLARIFICATION THAT, UM, UH, COM CITY COUNCIL BOARDS AND COMMISSION, UH, THOSE MEMBERS, INCLUDING COUNSELORS WILL, THEY'LL FOLLOW THE STAFF PER DIEM AMOUNTS AND, AND CURRENT STAFF POLICY ON MULE, UM, PAYING FOR MEALS, ANY QUESTIONS? AND SO, AND THAT'S SET BY, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND, AND, AND HR POLICIES. UH, THIS ONE WAS ACTUALLY A, A LITTLE BEHIND, I THINK THE $45 THAT THEY HAD GONE UP A LITTLE BIT FOR STAFF AND COUNCIL WAS GETTING LESS, SO. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NO. OKAY. WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF THAT BEFORE WE HAVE, IF THAT'S THE LAST POINT. THAT IS IT. SO BEFORE WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, WHY DON'T WE HAVE, UH, OPEN IT, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, WHAT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND JIM CAPELLIS, YOU WANT TO COME UP YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU KNOW THE DRILL? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. UH, I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW ME. I'M JIM CAPLES, LIVE IN SEDONA, ALSO KNOWN AROUND TOWN AS JIMMY THE GREEK , UH, RETIRED NAVY COMMANDER, D O B NUCLEAR PHYSICIST, AND LAWRENCE LIVERMORE LABORATORY NUCLEAR WEAPONS PHYSICIST AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE PROPOSED NEW RULES. UH, 3000 YEARS AGO, MY ANCESTORS INVENTED DEMOCRACY. AND WHEN I JOINED THE NAVY 50 YEARS AGO, I TOOK AN OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION. SO I HAVE A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN THIS. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE EXISTING RULES, WHICH CITE ARIZONA'S STATUTE FOR DISORDER OF THE CONDUCT. YOU DON'T NEED TO CHANGE 'EM. THEY DON'T NEED MODIFICATION. NOW, THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO IMPOSE FURTHER RESTRICTIONS THAN THE PREVIOUS RULES ON THE ABILITY OF THE PUBLIC TO INTERACT WITH CITY COUNCIL, WHICH THOSE WERE THE LISTS THERE. THE PROBLEM BECAME APPARENT TO ME AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF AUGUST 23RD. I MADE A STATEMENT HERE [03:05:01] ABOUT THE JUNK PHYSICS UNDERLYING THE PARIS CLIMATE ACCORDS. WHEN I FINISHED A LADY IN THE BACK, I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE WAS, STARTED A CLAP IN. MAYOR MORI YELLED AT HER, NO CLAPPING. AND THIS HAS BEEN ROUTINE ON SEPTEMBER 12TH AT A CITIZEN'S ACADEMY SESSION. MOST OF YOU WERE THERE. MAYOR MOORE ALREADY TRIED TO EXPLAIN HOW SHE RUNS THESE MEETINGS BY DEFINING CLAPPING AS BULLYING. AND THERE WERE FIVE OF YOU THERE THAT, UH, MOST OF YOU WERE NODDING. IN AGREEMENT, OXFORD DICTIONARY DEFINES BULLYING AS SEEK TO HARM, INTIMIDATE OR COERCED, SOMEONE PERCEIVED AS VULNERABLE. OKAY. CLAPPING DOESN'T MEET THAT STANDARD. SHE THREATENED US SAYING IF SHE TOLD SOMEONE TO STOP CLAPPING AND THEY DIDN'T, SHE WOULD HAVE HIM ARRESTED. ON, UH, OCTOBER 12TH, JESSICA SIERRA AND I MET WITH KURT AND WE HAD A PLEASANT DISCUSSION. SUBSEQUENTLY, MY ATTORNEY SENT, UH, HIM A LETTER, WHICH I'VE ALSO COPIED TO YOU CITING CASE LAW AND FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. AND I'M GONNA SUBMIT THAT LETTER FOR THE RECORD WHEN I'M FINISHED. KURT INDICATED THE RULES FROM MEETINGS WOULD BE REVISED, AND WE THOUGHT THE PROVISION WOULD BE POSITIVE WHEN WE GOT IT. INSTEAD OF MAKING THINGS BETTER, IT MAKES THINGS WORSE. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE OLD RULES, WHICH DID NOT PROHIBIT CLAPPING YOU. YOU READ IT AS PROHIBITING CLAPPING. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE, UH, THE NEW RULES. IN FACT, IT WAS MAYOR MORTY WHO WENT BEYOND THE RULES BY PROHIBITING CLAPPING IN VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THREATENING TO ARREST ANYONE WHO PERSISTED. SHE WAS THE BULLY. IT APPEARS TO ME THE CITY IS ADVOCATING UNCONSTITUTIONAL BEHAVIOR BY SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITING CLAPPING IN THAT LANGUAGE AND OTHER FORMS OF EXPRESSION. AND THIS IS DONE AT A TIME WHEN GOVERNMENT DARKNESS AND DISTANCE FROM THE PUBLIC IS HUGE. AND THE SOLUTIONS TO MAKE BETTER POLICY AND NOT GAG THE CITIZENS A VOTE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED RULES WILL INDICATE THAT THIS IS A COUNCIL THAT'S WORRIED ABOUT PUSHBACK, TRANSPARENCY, AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. AND I THINK YOU SHOULD VOTE AGAINST IT. UM, THIS, THIS BRINGS TO MIND WHEN I FIRST WENT IN THE NAVY, UH, DURING THE END OF THE VIETNAM WAR, I GOT SPED AT AND CALLED THE BABY KILLER. AND TO PUT A HALF PAGE RESTRICTION IN THESE RULES SEEMS UNCONSCIONABLE. KIM, I'M OUT OF TIME. THANK YOU. OUTTA TIME. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY, KURT, YOU DID, UH, YOU WERE PRETTY CLEAR, I THINK AT THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT, UH, REALLY, UH, WAITING ON THIS. RIGHT? SHOULD WE CONCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST? YEAH. OKAY. YOU WANNA DO THAT? OKAY. AND WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS THIS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, JACK JOHNSON, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. UM, MY NAME'S JANET JOHNSON. I LIVE IN THE BAYER MOUNTAIN AREA, HOME OF THE SPEEDING. OH H V. THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL FOR TAKING UP OUR CAUSE. UM, I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF WHAT JIM'S SAYING, BASICALLY BEC BECAUSE TO ME IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE LANGUAGE CLEARLY SAYS YES. YOU COULD CLAP. I WENT TO, I HAVE BEEN TO MANY PUBLIC MEETINGS HERE WITH PRESENTATIONS BY CERTAIN FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE, AND, UH, HAVE BEEN FRUSTRATED AT THE END OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS, AND WOULD'VE VERY MUCH LIKED TO CLAP FOR PEOPLE THAT STOOD UP AND SAID THE RIGHT THING. SO I REALLY, REALLY HOPE THAT THIS LANGUAGE CLEARLY SAYS YOU CAN CLAP AND DOESN'T PROHIBIT IT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE LANGUAGE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN YOUR DOCUMENT SEEMS VERY UNCLEAR. SO I WOULD ASK THAT IT WOULD BE CLARIFIED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JESSICA. YOU KNOW THE DRILL FROM A COUPLE HOURS AGO. . MY NAME IS JESSICA CIERA. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 33 YEARS, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN. AND I WAS WITH, UH, JIM AT THE MEETING WITH YOU, KURT. AND, UM, AND I JUST KEPT, COULD YOU BRING THE MIC DOWN A LITTLE? YES. OKAY. SORRY. UM, SO JIM WAS CONCERNED ABOUT MAYOR MARIAH'S BEHAVIOR AND THAT SHE SHOULD BE FOLLOWING RULES AS YOU BROUGHT UP HERE. UM, YOU DID. AND, UM, I HAVE TO PUT THIS IN BECAUSE IT'S DEAR TO MY HEART. I SPOKE. I WAS, I SPOKE TO KURT AT THAT MEETING ABOUT THE FAILURE AND MISMANAGEMENT OF THE VOLUNTEER MEDIATION SERVICE THAT NICK CHANDLER AND I WERE THE SUPPORT OF ME BRA MARIE BROWN, WHO WAS THE CITY CLERK AT THAT TIME. WE HAD SPENT TIRELESS HOURS ORGANIZING A VOLUNTEER MEDIATION FORCE OFFERING TRAININGS LED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. HE TRAINED OUR, OUR MEDIATORS. AND AFTER SOME YEARS, WE MU MUTUALLY AGREED TO TURN THE PROGRAM OVER TO PAUL FRIEDMAN TO MANAGE. NICK BECAME ILL. I ACCEPTED FULL-TIME WORK AS A MEDIATOR WITH THE POSTAL SERVICES REDRESS SYSTEM. AND, UH, THE, [03:10:01] THE, THE PROGRAM IS REALLY DEFUNCT AT THIS POINT. IT BREAKS MY HEART. UH, SO KURT SEEMED TO UNDERSTAND AND GAVE US SOME EMPATHY. AND YET HERE'S THIS, HERE'S THIS UNCLEAR PARAGRAPH. UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE NEW RULES THAT, UM, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DON'T ALLOW CLEAR A CLEAR, UH, WAY OF DEFINING OUR BEHAVIOR. SO, UM, I JUST THINK THAT, UH, I JUST SUPPORT JIM AND HE SAID A LOT AND SO DID JAN. AND, UM, WE JUST ALL THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALL TREAT ONE ANOTHER WITH POLITENESS AND BE ABLE TO HEAR ONE ANOTHER. AND, UH, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME, . THANK YOU JESSICA, ONCE AGAIN. YES, VICE MAYOR. WE'RE WELCOME. SO, CLAPPING NOW, COUNSELOR KINSELLA HAD ONE INTERPRETATION OF THIS LANGUAGE COUNSELOR. FURMAN HAD A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION OF THIS LANGUAGE. I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T THINK COUNSELOR FURMAN HAD A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION, BUT HE SAID THAT PEOPLE COULD, IN, HE COULD SEE HOW PEOPLE COULD INTERPRET IT THE OTHER WAY. THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT. UM, I, I THINK IT'S CLEAR AS IT'S ONLY HAND CLAPPING, STOMPING WOULD BE ONLY PROHIBITED WHEN SUCH CONDUCT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERRUPTS DELAYS OR DISTURBS THE PEACE. UM, CLAPPING IS ABSOLUTELY ALLOWED. UM, IT JUST CAN'T BE OVERDONE, OVERWROUGHT TO THE POINT WHERE EXCESSIVE, EXCESSIVE TO WHERE IT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERRUPTS THE MEETING. UM, WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT, NEVER HAD THAT POSSIBILITY BEFORE. CUZ UH, PREVIOUS MAYOR, UH, WOULD SHUT DOWN ANY CLAPPING, WHICH, SO THE VICE MAYOR USED THE WORD THAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE PERHAPS ACTUALLY, UM, JUST WRITE IN, BUT NOT LIMITED TO EXCESSIVE, AND THEN YOUR LIST. AND I WOULD THINK THAT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE MEANING OF IT. NOT AT ALL. BUT IT MAKES IT FAIRLY CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT CLAPPING, IT'S ABOUT EXCESSIVE CLAPPING OR STOMPING YOUR FEET, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DO IN THE UK, UM, EXCESSIVELY. SO THANK YOU. BUT, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO BE EXCESSIVE USE OF PROFANE LANGUAGE, CUZ THAT SHOULD NEVER BE THERE AND YOU JUST STICK EXCESSIVE IN. IT'S APPLYING TO ALL OF THAT. IT APPLIES TO READ WHAT? STOP, STOP, STOP ONE AT A TIME. OKAY. QUESTION BEFORE, UH, YOU, KURT. UH, SO IT, UM, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY CLEAR WHETHER IT APPLY TO ALL OF THEM OR NOT, BUT IF IT WAS, UH, PROFANITY IS, IS ALLOWED. AGAIN, IT COULDN'T BE TO THE POINT WHERE IT DISTURBS THE MEETING. OH, OKAY. GOOD POINT. BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH. IT MAY BE DISTASTEFUL. GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? SURE. WHY NOT? THAT'S UP TO YOU. THANK YOU TO, UH, THE PUBLIC FOR, UH, COMING AND SPEAKING AND SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS ON, ON THIS. YOU KNOW, AS I REFLECT ON HOWEVER LONG WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THESE NINE POINTS, UH, THE NOTION OF AIRING TOWARDS FREE SPEECH HAS COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES FROM MULTIPLE FOLKS UP HERE. AND I THINK THAT IS THE SPIRIT IN WHICH, UH, WE HAVE, UH, APPROACHED THESE CHANGES TO THE, THE, THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. I SUPPORT, UH, KURT'S ASSERTION THAT FOLLOWING THE, THE CIRCUIT COURT LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY IS SUFFICIENT. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY FURTHER, UH, ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU WENT WITH THE SUGGESTED ADJUSTMENT THAN IT LEAVES THE WORD EXCESSIVE OR EXCESSIVELY AS UP FOR INTERPRETATION. SO ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, OUR LOCAL PAPER IS GONNA HAVE A HEADLINE WHENEVER THEY GET AROUND A REPORTING ON THIS MEETING, THEY'RE EITHER GONNA BE QUOTING OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHO SAID, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY CLAP MM-HMM. OR SOMEBODY ELSE UP HERE. AND THE WORD'S GONNA GET OUT THAT YOU CAN CLAP IN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, RIGHT. AND YOU ALL WERE HERE, YOU CAN HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHETHER OR NOT THAT HAPPENS. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE MAYOR TRIES TO CLAMP IT DOWN AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IS INTERPRETING, YOU KNOW, THIS SUBSTANTIALLY INTERRUPTS THING, UH, UNDULY HARSHLY, I EXPECT WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. RIGHT. BUT I BELIEVE BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION, FOR, AGAIN, FOR HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN AT THIS, THAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO INCREASE, UH, ITS COMMITMENT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. AND, AND I'M VERY CONFIDENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, BRIAN. OKAY. KATHY, EARLIER IN THE MEETING I ASKED SOMETHING ABOUT, SO HOW DOES THIS GET CODIFIED? AND IN THE RECORD? AND THE ANSWER [03:15:01] WAS RESOUNDINGLY. IT'S IN THE MINUTES, IT'S BEEN DIRECTION. I THINK THAT WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE, THAT CLAPPING IS ALLOWED AS LONG AS IT'S NOT DISRUPTIVE. I MEAN, THAT'S NOW BEEN STATED OVER AND OVER AND OVER. IT'S IN THE TAPE, IT'S IN THE MINUTES, IT'S, IT'S THERE, IT'S ON RECORD NOW. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT THAT. I THINK THERE'S BEEN ACTUALLY REALLY CONSENSUS UP HERE ABOUT THAT DIRECTION. SO, AGAIN, I'M, I CAN GO EITHER WAY ON THIS. IF THERE WAS A MOTION TO REMOVE THE LIST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES FROM THE SUCH AS PART, I COULD BE CONVINCED TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW? BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE IS FINE THE WAY THAT IT STANDS. AND I THINK THAT THE INTENT HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY STATED CLEARLY TONIGHT. AND I, I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE? MM-HMM. WITH THAT? SO I THINK THAT'S ON THE RECORD. I MEAN, THE PUBLIC IS COVERED IF YOU SAY CLAPPING, CLAPPING IS NOT ALLOWED, WE'RE GONNA POINT TO AND SAY, YES IT IS. HERE'S A CONVERSATION. AND IF YOU WANNA MAKE THE POINT, CLAPPING IS ALLOWED. AND WE'RE SAYING NO, YOU GET TO POINT TO THE SAME THING. SO I, I, I THINK WE'RE COVERED. I HOPE SO. I, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, PETE, I'M, I'M MOVED BY THAT. THIS LANGUAGE COMES FROM A NINTH CIRCUIT OPINION. AND SO I, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS REALLY IS THE MAYOR, IT'S THE MAYOR'S JOB TO MANAGE OUR MEETINGS. AND THE MAYOR HAS SOME LATITUDE HERE TO MANAGE THESE MEETINGS. AND I DO WANNA SAY TO EVERYBODY, ALTHOUGH WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT CLAPPING, CLAPPING IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR SPEAKERS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, A VIDEO THAT MR. KALI SENT US, IT ENCOURAGED EVERYONE TO STAND UP. OR THERE'S THE WAVY HANDS, RIGHT? CLAPPING CAN BE INTIMIDATING. IT IS. RIGHT? IT CAN BE. AND SO IT'S REALLY IN THE MAYOR'S PURVIEW TO MANAGE THE MEETINGS. AND IF CLAPPING LOOKS LIKE IT IS, IS LOOKING LIKE IT'S KIND OF ANGRY CLAPPING AND, AND IT'S, IT'S INTIMIDATING TO PEOPLE. I THINK HE'S WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO EVEN SAY NO CLAPPING. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR SPEAKERS. SO THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, THAT'S, THIS IS WHY YOU MAKE THE BIG MONEY . SO THANK YOU. AND I, I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT. I THINK WE'RE ALL GROWNUPS HERE. THE INTENT OF SOMEONE CLAPPING, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR HEART, IS IT TO REALLY INTIMIDATE OTHER PEOPLE OR WILL IT BE CONSTRUED TO INTIMIDATE? IT'S UP TO YOU. WE'RE HOPING THAT WE HAVE A FRIENDLY MEETING. I'M REALLY HOPING THAT. SO IF, BUT IF YOU SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GOOD, YOU CLAP FOR 10 SECONDS, 20 SECONDS, OR LIKE JIM DID A FEW MINUTES AGO, THAT'S NOT INTIMIDATING. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, BUT I WOULD FEEL TERRIBLE. AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN AT MEETINGS WHERE IT HAS GONE ON YEARS AGO BEFORE I WAS THE MAYOR, BEFORE I WAS THE VICE MAYOR, WHERE PEOPLE WERE UNINTENTIONALLY INTIMIDATING TO OTHER PEOPLE. SO THE PEOPLE DIDN'T GET UP AND, AND SPEAK. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THAT. EVERYBODY HERE WANTS, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH. YOU WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO SHARE THEIR VIEWS THE SAME WAY WE LISTEN TO YOU. AND WE, WE LISTEN TO YOUR EMAILS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE LISTEN TO YOUR PHONE CALLS. WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO INTIMIDATE PEOPLE EITHER. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS. J JESSICA, WE JUST SHOWED IT. THUMBS UP, YOU SUPPORT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CLAPPING HERE, HERE, RIGHT. WHATEVER. I DON'T, WE CAN'T JUST REALLY DISCUSS IT, BUT OKAY. BUT THE FACT IS, WE WANT, WE ALL HERE, WE WANNA HAVE A FRIENDLY MEETING. WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS TO DO, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE CONGENIAL. WE WANT TO GET ALONG, WE WANNA WORK WITH PEOPLE. SO I THINK THAT'S OUR INTENT. DO I HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION? MY GOD. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS? YOU ON THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT OR ARE YOU ASKING FOR WE'VE ALREADY SOMETHING ON THE CLAP. I NO, NO, NO. CLEAR WHAT THAT MOTION YOU'RE ASKING FOR. WE'VE ALREADY GONE DOWN ITEM. OKAY. WE'VE ALREADY HERE. I, I WILL DO IT. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES AND POLICIES AS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A AND AS AMENDED DURING THE MEETING. SECONDED. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? YES, I, I, I'M OKAY GOING TO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THIS DOCUMENT AND THE CHANGES OVERALL, BUT I WOULD LIKE IT REFLECTED ON THE RECORD THAT I DO OBJECT TO, UM, NUMBER SIX THAT WE DISCUSSED, WHICH IS RULE THREE R ONE A, OBJECT TO THAT LANGUAGE. OKAY. PETE, DID YOU, OKAY, KURT, YOU OKAY WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS AS YOU'VE ALREADY DONE, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. UH, THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL GO. NO, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. DO PEOPLE WANT A BREAK? YEAH. YES. FIVE MINUTES. [03:20:02] BEING SCARED YOU WEREN'T GONNA COME BACK FOR THIS. WE WERE GOING ON SO LONG. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE ALL GOOD. JOANNE, JUST LET'S DO, YES. UH, [8.e. AB 2861 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.] ITEM E AB 28 61, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION AND STATE BUDGET AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THE CITY OF SEDONA. OKAY. I THAT, UM, MARION COUNCIL, UM, JOANNE KEEN, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. I WILL BE, UM, SOMEWHAT BRIEF TODAY, BUT I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON JUST UPDATING ON A FEW BILLS AND THEN GETTING POSITIONS ON, UM, I THINK IT'S THREE BILLS AT THE END OF THE, THE MEMO THAT I SENT OUT TODAY. UM, JUST TO, JUST TO START, UM, THIS WEEK WAS THE LAST WEEK TO HEAR BILLS IN, UM, THE OPPOSITE CHAMBER. AND, UM, EXCEPT FOR APPROPRIATION BILLS, THERE'S EXTRA TIME FOR BILLS THAT HAVE AN APPROPRIATION. THE, UM, THE BILL THAT WE'VE WORKING, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THIS SESSION, HOUSE BILL 2044, WHICH IS, UM, OUR MUNICIPAL GENERAL PLAN BILL. UM, THAT WOULD'VE PROVIDED US THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE OUR GENERAL PLAN TO THE VOTERS. UM, DID NOT GET A HEARING THIS WEEK. UM, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT WASN'T, UM, FOR LACK OF EFFORT, UM, LAST WEEK BETWEEN, UM, REPRESENTATIVE BLISS, UM, OUR LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE, UM, THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS. WE WERE, UM, CONTACTING THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, SENDING, UH, SENDING HIM SOME FOLLOW UP INFORMATION THAT HE REQUESTED, UM, INCLUDING SOME INFORMATION ON OUR LAST GENERAL PLAN, UH, WHAT OUR PLANS WERE TO POTENTIALLY TO TAKE THIS TO THE VOTERS. UM, AND HE DECIDED TO NOT PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, UM, TO BE HEARD THIS WEEK. UM, I WILL SAY THAT IT'S NOT JUST THIS BILL. THERE'S A LOT OF BILLS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE BEING HELD UP THIS YEAR. AND PART OF IT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY BIG ISSUES OUT THERE. I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS NOT A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS A BIG ISSUE, BUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOOD TAX BILL, THE RESIDENTIAL RENTAL TAX BILL THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AS WELL AS THE, THE HOUSING BILLS THAT WERE IN ONE BILL, SENATE BILL 1117, AND HAVE NOW BEEN SPLIT INTO THREE DIFFERENT BILLS AND THAT ARE STRIKE EVERYTHINGS. SO IT'S, UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONFUSION. ISSUES ARE BEING CONFUSED AT THE LEGISLATURE. UM, POSITIONS ARE BEING MISREPRESENTED. AND IT'S, I THINK IT'S BEEN A PRETTY FRUSTRATING, UH, LEGISLATIVE SESSION FOR A LOT OF CITIES AND TOWNS IN THE LEAGUE. AND I KNOW OUR LOBBYIST IS FRUSTRATED AS WELL. UM, WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ANY PATH FORWARD, UM, ON THIS BILL. UM, AND I'M GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE LEAGUE STAFF AGAIN TOMORROW. BUT AGAIN, REPRESENTATIVE BLISS REALLY PUSHED TO THE END ON THIS, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE LAST THURSDAY SHE WAS CALLING THE COMMITTEE CHAIR. UH, THE COMMITTEE CHAIR IS JAKE HOFFMAN, AND HE IS, HE IS NOT A FAN OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, NOT A FAN GOVERNMENT, BUT DEFINITELY NOT LOCAL GOVERNMENT. SO, UM, WE'RE VERY DISAPPOINTED AT THIS OUTCOME. UM, BUT WE'LL KEEP SEEING IF THERE'S ANY PATH FORWARD. OKAY. GOOD EYES, THERE'S NO CONTROVERSY. THERE'S NO CONTROVERSY ON THIS BILL, IS THERE? I MEAN, WE DID NOT GET ANY OPPOSITION ON THE HOUSE SIDE. IT MOVED THROUGH ON THE HOUSE SIDE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE HEARD IS ABOUT THE CONCERN ABOUT WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL PLAN . SO, SO I THINK THAT TELLS YOU THAT, UM, IT, IT IS A, IT IS A, A CHAIR OF A COMMITTEE THAT IS, UM, JUST ANTI LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, HE REQUESTED INFORMATION, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS ALL ONLINE. OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, 2013 PLAN WAS ONLINE. UM, AND CLEARLY THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THERE THAT HE DIDN'T LIKE, OR, UM, THERE WAS A CONCERN. AND, AND COMMITTEE CHAIR HAS A LOT OF POWER. WOW. SO WE KNOW. SO IT'S WORTH SAYING AGAIN THAT THIS PASSED IN A NON-CONTROVERSIAL BIPARTISAN VOTE BY NINE ZERO OUT OF THE ONE COMMITTEE OUT OF EIGHT. OH. OUT OF ANOTHER COMMITTEE. 56 OH. ON THE FLOOR. AND ONE INDIVIDUAL WITH AN AGENDA AGAINST LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS ABLE TO SQUASH THIS ONE LEGISLATOR. WELL, INTERESTING. THE CHAIR. [03:25:01] BUT STILL, HE'S, HE'S ONE PERSON THAT IS KILLING SOMETHING FOR MUNICIPALITY, OUR MUNICIPALITY OF 9,000 PLUS PEOPLE AND MUNICIPALITIES IN GENERAL. THIS IS, I'M GETTING THIS ON THE RECORD. I I WANT THIS OUT THERE. I WANT THIS KNOWN. THIS IS, THIS IS THE ANTI-PUBLIC AGENDA THAT IS COMING OUT OF SOME LEGISLATORS AND PEOPLE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. CAN I SAY SOMETHING THERE? YEAH, YOU CAN. YES. THANK YOU. UM, ACTUALLY, IN ADDITION TO BEING LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHAT IT IS ACTUALLY IS LOCAL VOTER. MM-HMM. OPPOSITION. IT'S PREVENTING, UH, CITY MUNICIPALITY FROM ASKING ITS CITIZENS TO APPROVE A GENERAL PLAN. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY LUDICROUS. I AGREE. THAT IT'S, THERE'S NO REASON EXCEPT HE DOESN'T WANT TO . THAT'S WONDERFUL. OKAY. I, I, I WILL SU SUGGEST THAT ANYBODY WHO'S STILL LISTENING MM-HMM. AND WANTS TO EXPRESS THEIR DISDAIN TO THE CHAIRMAN JAKE HOFFMAN, WRITE TO HIM AND TELL HIM THAT HE HAS PREVENTED YOU FROM VOTING ON A PLAN FOR THE CITY, YOUR CITY FOR 10 YEARS. THAT WILL, THAT THAT WILL AFFECT YOU FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. AND TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS, MAYBE THE NEWSPAPER WILL DO SOMETHING. WHY AM I SMELLING SOMETHING BURNING? I DON'T, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. IT'S OUR TEMPERS. NO, IT SMELLS LIKE WOOD BURNING OR SOMETHING THAT YOU GO OFF. OKAY. UH, JOANNE CONTINUES. YOU'RE SMELLING THE LEGISLATURE . IT COULD BE. I'M BURNING FROM THIS. THAT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT SMELL. THE SAME, THE SAME WAY WE LOST THE, UM, THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. SO MAYBE, UH, THE NEXT, UH, ISSUE, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THE MOUSE AGAIN. I'M TRYING, THAT'S SHOCKING. YES. SO, UH, THE NEXT ISSUE IS THE, UM, THE FOOD TAX BILL. UM, THIS IS BEFORE THE GOVERNOR. UM, OH, SHE VETOED IT. OH, SHE DID VETO IT. YES, SHE DID TODAY. GREAT. AND AND I, I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT SOME OF THESE MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY UPDATED BECAUSE IT'S, UH, THINGS COME IN. WAS IT TODAY? SHE VETOED IT. YES. THAT'S GREAT NEWS. WELL, THERE YOU GO. ALSO, SOME COMMENTS, COMMENT ON THAT. HER MEMO, HER VETO MEMO WAS JUST, I THOUGHT, A REALLY GOOD PIECE OF WRITING THAT NEEDS TO, FOR PEOPLE TO READ. CUZ IT WAS SUCCINCT. IT WAS TO THE POINT IT NAMED ALL THE REASONS THAT THIS IS HARMFUL. IT WAS A GREAT MEMO. GREAT. ALL IN ONE HALF OF THE PAGE. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON. UM, GO AHEAD JOE. OKAY. THE NEXT, UM, 11 10 11 KAVANAUGH. YEAH. I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH SOME OF THESE THAT ARE NOT MOVING AND THEN WE CAN GET TO SENATE BILL 1100. UM, YES. THIS IS THE, THE BILL THAT CHANGES THE WEIGHT LIMITS, UH, FOR OHVS FROM 2,500 TO 3,500 POUNDS. MM-HMM. . UM, I KNOW WE WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE MEETING WITH POLARIS, BUT I DID ALSO WANNA JUST GIVE AN UPDATE THAT THIS DID PASS OUT OF, UM, THE HOUSE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE OR YEAH. HOUSE TRANSPORTATION, UM, BY SEVEN THREE TO ONE. AND WE DID HAVE MANY RESIDENTS WHO ACTUALLY, OR YAVAPAI COUNTY RESIDENTS, UM, THAT WENT DOWN TO TESTIFY AGAINST THIS BILL. UM, I WILL SAY THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS ABOUT THE CONCERN ABOUT OHVS AND THE BEHAVIOR. SO I THINK THAT WAS GOOD NEWS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE. BUT THE INDUSTRY, UM, DEFINITELY CONVINCED THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT, UM, ADDRESSING SAFETY OF OHVS AND, UM, GETTING READY FOR ELECTRIC. ELECTRIC, OH, OHVS. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW, UM, WE HAD THREE CO THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ AND KAREN WERE IN THAT MEETING. RIGHT. IT WAS INTERESTING. WE TALKED ABOUT SAFETY. UH, I MEAN, POLARIS CAME DOWN. THEY WERE WILLING TO, TO MEET WITH US IN A CLOSED SESSION, NOT IN A PUBLIC MEETING SUCH AS THIS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT SAFETY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TIRES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT ANY, I'M FINDING OUT IT IS NOW ANY O H V MANUAL, THE MANUALS THEMSELVES SAY NOT TO BE DRIVEN ON PUBLIC ROADS OR HIGHWAYS. THE TIRES ARE ALSO, I EMBLAZONED NOT TO BE FOR, FOR OFF HIGHWAY USE OR NOT TO BE DRIVEN ON PUBLIC ROADS. SO I ASKED POLARIS, WE HAD A VICE PRESIDENT, [03:30:01] I FIGURED WHAT HIS CHIEF VICE PRESIDENT OF WHAT, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, UH, TWO REPRESENTATIVES. SO I, I ASKED ABOUT THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. BUT I SAID, HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY PUTTING THESE ON ARIZONA ROADS WHEN ALL OF YOUR LITERATURE SAYS THEY DON'T BELONG ON PUBLIC HIGHWAYS? AND I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS THINKING AND I KNEW, SO I KNEW BEFORE HE EVEN THE WORDS CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH, WHICH WERE, BECAUSE WE CAN, ARIZONA DOES NOT ADDRESS OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLES AND SPECIFICALLY THEIR TIRES. SO WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER MEETINGS, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING, THAT WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH, UM, UH, ADOT AND THE FEDERAL D O T, WHICH I DON'T WANNA GET INTO NOW, CUZ THIS DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THIS EXCEPT FOR POLARIS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS. POLARIS ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHY ELECTRIC? AND THEY SAID THEY COULD BE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GOVERN THEM DOWN. AND OF COURSE WE WOULD NEVER HAVE THEM FULL BOAR AT 500 HORSEPOWER. WHO'S TO SAY POLARIS, UH, GOVERN THEM DOWN AND HONDA DOESN'T. RIGHT. BUT THEY ALSO, AND BRIAN, MAYBE YOU CAN JUMP IN OR, OR VICE MAYOR. THEY WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THEM DOING NO MORE DAMAGE ON THE ROAD, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE A THOUSAND POUNDS HEAVIER. AND EITHER ONE OF YOU, I WANT YOU TO JUMP IN ANYWAY, BUT COULD, YOU'RE A PART OF THE MEETING. SO IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT AS WELL, IF YOU'RE UP TO, YEAH, MAYOR, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, HEAVIER VEHICLES ACTUALLY MAKE BETTER CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE GROUND AND ARE LESS LIKELY TO SPIN OUT THAN LIGHTER WEIGHT VEHICLES. AND THEY POINTED TO THE, UH, AMOUNT OF FORCE ON THE GROUND PER TIRE AND SO FORTH. AND, YOU KNOW, AT, AT FIRST GLANCE IT PASSES A SNIFF TEST. I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT MUCH. RIGHT. SO THEN I HEARD FROM ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE DOWN, OH ACTUALLY, YEAH. ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WENT DOWN TO TESTIFY, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS, I'M TAKING IT FROM FACE VALUE, THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THEY WANT TO DO O H V RACING AND THAT'S WHY THE ELECTRIC OHVS WILL BE BIGGER, HENCE THE THOUSAND POUNDS. MORE WEIGHT PLUS THE BATTERIES WEIGH A LOT, BUT THEY WANNA DO RACING. NOW. I CALLED THE REPRESENTATIVE, THE VICE PRESIDENT THAT CAME TODAY, UH, I CALLED HIM TODAY, THE ONE THAT WAS HERE THE OTHER DAY. AND I SAID, IS THIS TRUE? AND HE WOULDN'T ANSWER IT. HE SAID, OH, GET BACK TO ME. AND SO FAR HE HASN'T, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEIR LOBBYIST IS VERY EFFECTIVE, OBVIOUSLY. AND THIS VICE PRESIDENT SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOWN TO STATE LEGISLATURE AND HE WENT DOWN FROM OUR MEETING, HE WENT DOWN AND HE, HE TEST, I BELIEVE IT WAS HIM WHO TESTIFIED, CORRECT. RIGHT, MM-HMM. . SO HE DID NOT MENTION THE THE RACES. YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT IN HIS TESTIMONY? NO, HE DID NOT. THAT MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER, I GOT THAT FROM, FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS. SO, UH, BUT I ASKED HIM IF HE COULD, BECAUSE HIS WEBSITE, THE POLARIS'S WEBSITE ADDRESSES DRAG RACING IRREG RACE TRACKS. SO HE SAID, WELL, SEDONAS NOT BUILT FOR THAT. I SAID, I, I KNOW THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE. AND HE, HE DIDN'T GET BACK TO ME. SO THEY MAY BE LOOKING TO DO THAT. THERE MAY BE AN END RUN AROUND IT. I DON'T KNOW. WHAT WAS IMPRESSIVE IS THAT HE WAS WILLING TO COME HERE. HE WAS OPEN TO, UM, NOT STOPPING ANYTHING. IF THERE WAS A, A CHANGE IN STATE LEGISLATION, HE WAS NOT WILLING NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST THAT TO GET THEM OFF THE ROADS, BUT TO ALLOW THEM TO BE ON THE FOREST SERVICE, JUST NOT ON PAVED ROADS. UM, I THINK I COVERED EVERYTHING. HOLLY, DID YOU THINK I I I THINK THEY SAID THAT THEIR OFFICIAL POSITION AS A CORPORATION IS THAT THEY ARE NOT SAFE TO BE ON HIGHWAYS. RIGHT. NOT NOT MANUFACTURED OR SAFE TO BE ON PUBLIC ROADS. AND THAT IS THEIR OFFICIAL POSITION. SO THAT IF ANYBODY ASKS THEM THAT, THAT IS THE POSITION THAT THEY WOULD, SO THEN WE SAID, AND SO IF WE GOT A BILL TO BE INTRODUCED OR A LEGISLATOR INTRODUCED A BILL THAT WOULD BAN THEM FROM STATE HIGHWAYS, WOULD YOU OBJECT TO THAT? YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU COME OUT AGAINST THAT? AND THEY JUST REPEATED, OUR OFFICIAL CORPORATE POSITION IS SO WHAT ONE WHISPERS IN SOMEONE'S EAR VERSUS WHAT THE OFFICIAL POSITION IS THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED IS UNKNOWN. BUT THAT IS THEIR, THAT IS THEIR OFFICIAL POSITION. SO IT, IT, THE MAYOR IS. RIGHT. SO HOW [03:35:01] CAN YOU SUPPORT THIS? CUZ WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE VEHICLES, UH, NOT DRIVEN ON STATE ROADS OR, OR CITY ROADS, BUT INSTEAD BEING TRANSPORTED. TRAILER. TRAILER, THANK YOU. I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT WORD TO THE, TO THE FOREST. AND THEN THEY WOULD BE OFF HIGHWAY, WHICH IS WHAT THEIR INTENDED USE IS. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BATTLE. MM-HMM. , THAT'S A FUTURE IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL WE'LL BE WORKING ON MOVING FORWARD. SO, BUT I, I THINK THAT COVERS OUR PORTION AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THANK YOU. TO OPPOSE THIS BILL. YES. AND BY THE WAY, THEY DID SAY THAT THE MEETING OF THE STUDY COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FORMED LAST YEAR. THERE IS A DATE NOW FOR THE FIRST MEETING, WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY AFTER THE SESSION ADJOURNS, SO IT WAS APRIL, BUT WE KNOW IT WON'T ADJOURN IN APRIL, SO CORRECT. YES. AND WE STILL HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING POSTED ABOUT THAT, THAT COMMITTEE. MM-HMM. . UM, JUST A C CORRECTION ON, ON THIS, UH, HOUSE BILL 28 0 8. THIS IS THE, THE PUBLIC RECORDS BILL THAT WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THAT DIDN'T REALLY, UH, DO MUCH. AND WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT REALLY WHY IT WAS, UM, WHY IT WAS INTRODUCED AND WHY IT WAS MOVING. UM, THERE IS A STRIKE, EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING HEARD, UM, IN SENATE GOVERNMENT TOMORROW, THE COMMITTEE THAT WE HAD HOPED TO GET OUR, UH, 2044 INCLUDED IN, BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE LANGUAGE OF THAT STRIKE EVERYTHING. SO AS SOON AS WE GET IT, I'LL SEND IT OVER TO KURT. I'M ASSUMING IT'S, UM, IT'S ALSO DEALING WITH PUBLIC RECORDS AND IT'S GONNA PROBABLY DO MORE THAN, THAN WHAT IT WAS DOING CURRENTLY. UM, 1117 PASSED 1117. SO 1117 IS THE, THE HOUSING BILL THAT WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN TRACKING THIS SESSION. UM, IT FAILED ON THE SENATE FLOOR ON MARCH 13TH, BUT THIS IS THE BILL THAT HAS NOW BEEN SPLIT UP INTO THREE DIFFERENT BILLS. UM, NOW THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE BILL ONLY APPLIES TO, UM, COMMUNITIES OVER 30,000. UM, BUT IT'S STILL UNCLEAR. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PARTS THAT APPLY TO SMALLER COMMUNITIES AND WE'RE CONTINUING OUR OPPOSITION. I ACTUALLY HAVE A, A BILL AT THE END THAT I'D LIKE COUNSEL TO TAKE A FORMAL POSITION ON. JUST SO I'M CLEAR, I DID SIGN IN AGAINST IT BECAUSE IT HAD A, THE, THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN 1117. UM, JUST WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT, THAT THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONFUSION RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THREE BILLS ARE MOVING. UM, AND THE, THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL, MR. KAISER IS, IS NOT, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT'S IN, UM, EACH BILL. AND, UM, THE LEAGUE I THINK IS DOING A REALLY NICE JOB OF, OF GETTING REALLY GOOD TESTIMONY IN THE COMMITTEES AND CORRECTING SOME OF THE, THE FALSE INFORMATION. BUT, UM, WE STILL, I STILL EXPECT THAT IF NOT ONE, BUT ALL THREE WILL, WILL GET TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK AND SHE WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO VETO APPARENTLY THIS, THAT'S JUST THE SESSION WE'RE IN THIS YEAR. SO I'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THOSE BILLS. OH, IS THIS OKAY, KEEP MOVING. I HOPE I'M NOT MAKING YOU DIZZY. I'M GONNA JUST SKIP OVER SOME OF THESE THAT, UM, UH, THEN I CAN JUST GET THESE POSITIONS. THE, UM, 25 43, THIS IS THE, THE GREATER ARIZONA, UM, TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. BILL HAD ACTUALLY MOVED OUT OF, UM, SENATE TRANSPORTATION ON MONDAY. AND, UM, WE HAD SOME GREAT, UH, RAC AND SOME OTHER RURAL COMMUNITIES TESTIFIED IN SUPPORT OF THAT. SO IT NEEDS TO GO TO APPROPRIATIONS AND UM, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE INCLUDED IN KIND OF THE BIG, UM, APPROPRIATIONS PACKAGE THAT HOPEFULLY THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, JUST BRING A COUPLE OF BILLS TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION. UM, THE FIRST BILL IS, UM, SENATE BILL 1278. AND THIS BILL CAME UP EARLY THIS WEEK AS A, A STRIKE EVERYTHING, BUT IT, IT'S, UM, IT'S A REACTION BY, UM, A THINK TANK TO SOME COMMUNITIES DISCUSSING BANNING, UM, NATURAL GAS APPLIANCES. SO THIS WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM [03:40:01] ANY KIND OF REGULATION OF, UM, NOT JUST GAS, BUT, BUT OTHER, UM, UTILITIES AND APPLIANCES. UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE. UM, ACTUALLY FIRST CAME TO US THROUGH OUR SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE, SO THANK YOU BRYCE, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. AND THEN IT'S KIND OF GOTTEN SOME TRACTION WITH, UM, SOME OF THE SUSTAINABILITY AND WATER GROUPS AS WELL ABOUT CONCERNS THERE. SO I'D LIKE COUNSEL TO TAKE A POSITION AND OPPOSITION AND THE LEAGUE DID OPPOSE THIS AS WELL. YEP. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE 25 36 IS, UM, THE, ONE OF THE THREE BILLS, UM, 1117 HAS BEEN CARVED INTO, AND THERE WAS A HEARING ON THIS. I'LL TRY TO MOVE THIS ONE OUT. UM, THERE WAS A HEARING LAST WEEK IN SENATE COMMERCE COMMITTEE. I'M SORRY, DREW PASSED OUT. AND WHAT NUMBER ARE YOU ON? I'M 25, 36. THANK YOU. IT PASSED OUTTA SENATE COMMERCE FIVE TO TWO. UM, BUT IT, IT WASN'T A VERY DECISIVE VOTE. UM, THERE ARE DEFINITELY A COUPLE OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO WANTED TO SEE MORE COMPROMISE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE LEAGUE MENTIONED THAT THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO, TO WORK WITH A SPONSOR ON AMENDMENTS AND, UM, THEY JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE GETTING INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE BILLS. SO, UM, I'D LIKE COUNCIL TO ALSO TAKE A POSITION IN OPPOSITION TO THIS MM-HMM. . YEP. I 100% YEAH. UNANIMOUS FOR THAT. AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT IT'S A SPEAKER'S BILL, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . YEAH. AND THERE'S NO CONNECTION BETWEEN SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND, RIGHT. YEAH, I, I, I GET IT. UM, AND THEN THE, THE FINAL BILL, UM, UH, VICE MAYOR PUE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS ONE FORWARD, UM, SENATE BILL 1585. UM, AND THE LEAGUE HAS ALSO COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. UM, BUT IT ESTABLISHES AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PILOT PROGRAM WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION AND ALA ENABLES DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING TO AWARD GRANTS TO CITIES AND TOWNS. ALLOCATES 145 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND 10 MILLION TO DS, UH, FOR RENTAL AND EVICT, UH, RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND EVICTION PREVENTION FOR INDIVIDUALS AGE 65 AND OLDER. UM, THIS MAY BE A BILL, BILL THAT GETS INCLUDED IN, UM, A FINAL, UM, BUDGET PACKAGE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THIS ONE AS WELL. OKAY. UM, AND THEN JUST AN UPDATE ON OUR, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL EFFORTS. I DID, I DID CONNECT WITH PAUL, UH, TODAY, UM, AND HE SAID HE'S CONTINUING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH LEADERSHIP. UM, AGAIN, JUST REITERATED THAT THERE ARE THESE HOUSING BILLS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD AND THAT THERE DEFINITELY IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON HOUSING. SO AT LEAST THAT'S GETTING INTO THE DIALOGUE. UM, BUT I'LL CONTINUE TO, TO UPDATE COUNCIL AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO STILL HAVE, UM, PLENTY OF TIME. THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION FOR, UM, AMENDMENTS ARE INCLUDING IN, UM, PROBABLY MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY ON STRIKERS, BUT, UM, PAUL IS CONTINUING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY. OKAY. THAT'S THE END OF IT. YOU DONE? I'M DONE. YES. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THIS AND I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU'RE SO THOROUGH. SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOANNE? YEP. BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES. UM, SB 1, 1 93. WE STILL DON'T HAVE A POSITION ON THAT. UH, IS THAT, LET ME JUST PULL THAT DOWN. KURT. CAN WE, UM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE END OF THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, BUT COUN, I THINK YOU WERE HAVE MAYBE, UM, DROPPED OFF OF TEAMS. I THINK THERE WAS A YEAH, I DID TEAMS, NO TEAMS DROPPED ME. I DIDN'T , I'M NOT SEEING IT. YEAH. SO THIS ONE IS, IT'S KIND OF A COMPLETE REPEAL, INCLUDING BACK TO NO TAXING ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND SO IT'S UNCLEAR THE, THAT WOULD HAVE, AND IT HASN'T MOVED AND THERE'S NO ONE FOR AGAINST IT. IT'S, IT'S DEAD. I THINK SO. IT COULD PROBABLY JUST, YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RTS SYSTEM, IT'S JUST WAS NO ONE REALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT WAS LOOKED LIKE THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT WAS GONNA DO AND NEVER MOVED . SO NO ONE GAVE IT MORE THOUGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. JOANNE, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? YES. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE MS. JORDY CONSENSUS. UM, COUNSEL AGREED TO OPPOSE SB 1278. WE DID, YES. THANK YOU. SURE. AND ALSO 25, 36. [03:45:01] YOU GOT THAT. OKAY. UM, ITEM F REPORT DISCUSSION. OH, WAIT, BEFORE YOU, YOU GO JOAN, CAN YOU GIVE US ANY UPDATE ON THE BUDGET? YEAH, I MEAN ALL I'M, I'M HEARING IS THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE, UM, MEETINGS BETWEEN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND LEADERSHIP, BUT NOTHING HAS REALLY, UM, LEAKED OUT ABOUT WHAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS INCLUDE. THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF POSTURING AND DEALS BEING MADE BEFORE A BUDGET'S DONE. HARD TO BELIEVE. OKAY. NOW ITEM F REPORT DISCUSSION REGARDING COUNSEL ASSIGNMENTS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYBODY ANYTHING TO REPORT? NONE. AND, UH, WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW HERE, UH, AT TWO O'CLOCK, UH, FROM TWO TO SIX. IT SHOULD BE AN INTERESTING MEETING FOR THE CHAMBER. OKAY, HEARING NOTHING [10. ADJOURNMENT] ELSE. MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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