Apr 11, 2023 City Council

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO.

COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON.

HERE.

AND THEN CONSENT ITEMS. UH, WE HAVE A, UH, MAYOR.

MOMENT OF ART.

YOU, I WENT RIGHT DOWN TO THE, THE, THE MEAT.

UM, MOMENT OF ART ITEM TWO.

NANCY.

THANK STATEMENT.

WE NO LONGER DO THE VISION STATEMENT NOW.

NO, IT'S ALL NEW TO ME.

SENTIMENTAL, FOLLOWED BY, UH, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS DONE BY, UM, RAM.

I COULD HAVE MISSED THAT TOO TODAY.

MAYOR, COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT THE VISION STATEMENT WAS ON THE SCREEN RIGHT AS WE WALKED IN, SO IT WAS DISPLAYED, RIGHT? AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT HAPPENING WAS BECAUSE OF THE ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT.

THE, UH, VISION STATEMENT, THE, UH, MECHANICS OF IT DOESN'T NO LONGER IS COMPATIBLE.

AND WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF AUDIO PROBLEMS WITH IT.

SO IT'S NOW ON THE, THE SCREEN WHEN EVERYBODY WALKS IN TO READ IT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.

UM, APRIL IS POETRY MONTH, EARTH DAY, ALL THESE THINGS, BUT IT'S ALSO JAZZ MONTH, WHICH WE'VE NEVER CELEBRATED.

SO FOR THIS APRIL MOMENT OF ART, I HAVE INVITED SAX PLAYER CHRIS CANIS, TO PERFORM.

UM, CHRIS MOVED TO SEDONA FROM BOSTON IN 2011 AND IMMEDIATELY BEGAN PERFORMING WITH MANY OF SEDONA, PRESCOTT AND FLAGSTAFF'S TOP MUSICIANS, STEEPED IN JAZZ AND BIG BAND MUSIC FROM AN EARLY AGE.

WHILE IN HIGH SCHOOL, HE STUDIED AT BERKELEY COLLEGE OF MUSIC IN BOSTON WITH JOE VIOLA, THE WORLD RENOWNED SAXOPHONE MASTER.

HE THEN ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS FOR FOUR YEARS, MAJORING IN JAZZ PERFORMANCE.

STRAIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE, HE JOINED THE GLEN MILLER ORCHESTRA AND TOURED WITH THEM IN US, CANADA, EUROPE, AND JAPAN FOR OVER TWO YEARS BEFORE JOINING THE ARTIE SHAW ORCHESTRA, UNDER THE DIRECTION OF HIS MENTOR DICK JOHNSON.

THIS IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

CHRIS HAS PERFORMED INTERNATIONALLY WITH ROSEMARY CLOONEY, MEL TORME, BOBBY SHORT, ARETHA FRANKLIN, THE TEMPTATIONS, THE FOUR TOPS, THE OJS, HARRY CONNICK JR.

FRANKIE VALLEY, TONY BENNETT, AND MANY OTHERS IN SEDONA.

HE STARTED HIS OWN SEVEN PIECE SWING BAND CALLED SWING TIME WITH THE VERY SUCCESSFUL PERFORMANCES AT SOUND BITES.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, HE'S ACTUALLY PLAYING THIS SUNDAY SOLO GIG, UM, AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT SOUND BITES.

I GOT THE WRONG LINK.

CHRIS ALSO LEADS DIFFERENT JAZZ GROUPS, DEPENDING IF THE VENUE NEEDS A DUO.

TRIO QUARTET OR AT QUINTET.

I WAS AT THE DOG PARK A FEW DAYS AGO AND, UM, THIS GUY I KNOW THAT HAS HIS DOG PLAYS WITH MY DOG, I MENTIONED SOMETHING AND HE'S LIKE, YOU COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN A BETTER S PLAYER.

YOU'RE LIKE THE BEST IN TOWN.

SO, UM, IT'S TRUE.

SO ANYWAY, PLEASE WELCOME CHRIS CANS FOR YOU.

UM, I'M GONNA START WITH A, A LITTLE, IT'S A GREAT DUKE ELLINGTON NUMBER CALLED

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WE'LL GET TO THAT.

UM, I PROBABLY ONLY HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE DARLING, SO I DON'T WANT TO HANG THE MEETING UP.

THIS IS A QUICK LITTLE NUMBER.

IT'S A GREAT HAPPY LITTLE TUNE BY

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THE LAKE.

OH, NO, YOU'RE STILL ALIVE.

SUNNY ROLLINS IS MY FAVORITES.

THIS IS CALLED ST.

THOMAS.

EVERYONE ELSE IS DEAD.

HE'S LIKE THE LAST ORIGINAL ONE.

AND, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR APPLAUDING.

VOTE FOR PRIVATE PARTIES, WEDDINGS, FUNERALS, DOESN'T MATTER.

ANY DIGGING.

EVERY COME.

I'LL BE IN SOUND BITES ON FRIDAY.

ANYBODY WANTS A CARD? I'M GONNA LEAVE A FEW CARD THANK YOU ON THE DESK IF, UH, YOU'D LIKE TO GET IN TOUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU COUNCIL, EVERYBODY.

NOW ITEM THREE, UH, IS FOR CONSENT.

UH, ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE PUBLIC, THE, UH, STAFF OR THE COUNSELOR CAN PULL AN ITEM, UH, THAT'S ON THEIR CONSENT AGENDA.

AND COUNSELOR, UM, KINSELLA HAS REQUESTED WE PULL ITEM D.

SO YOU WANT TO JUST, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL GO OVER D FIRST AND THEN WE'LL JUST VOTE.

WE'LL PULL, HAVE D PULL HERE AT FIRST.

IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? YEAH.

SO, UH, WHO'S GOING TO PRESENT FOR ITEM D? ANDY? SANDY.

SANDY.

BUT YEAH, BEHIND THE, THE, I CAN'T SEE YOU BEHIND THE TV.

ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.

JOHN HOFFMAN IS THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THE PROJECT, SO HE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

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JUST CLICK GO OVER NEXT.

SORRY.

SO, MAYOR JA, VICE MAYOR, PLU AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M JOHN HOFFMAN, UH, ASSISTANT PROJECT MANAGER FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

AND THIS IS THE PRESENTATION FOR OUR BACK BEYOND LOW WATER CROSSING PROJECT.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE PROJECT LOCATION WHERE THE YELLOW ARROW IS.

IT CROSSES BACK BEYOND, AS YOU CAN TELL, EVERYTHING EAST OF THERE ALL FUNNELS TO THAT ONE LOCATION WHERE IT CROSSES BACK OR BEYOND.

AND WHEN IT ALL FUNNELS TO THAT ONE LOCATION.

THIS IS THE RESOLVE.

THIS WAS LATE LAST YEAR.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE AUTOMOBILES, BOTH DIRECTIONS ARE STRANDED.

YOU CAN'T GET ACROSS.

THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM WELL KNOWN FOR A WHILE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST.

THIS IS ONE OF THE PLAN SHEETS SHOWING THE SOLUTION, WHICH IS A THREE FOOT DEEP, 12 FOOT WIDE CA, UH, 12 FOOT WIDE CULVERT THAT WOULD GO UNDERNEATH THE ROADWAY.

IT WOULD HAVE A HEAD WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE WITH A DROP INLET, WHICH WOULD THEN GO UNDER THE ROAD AND THEN EXIT AT THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND THEN IT WOULD INCORPORATE A SMALL SECTION OF SHARED USE PATH AT THE BOTTOM FOR ANY FUTURE PROJECTS, POTENTIALLY JUST THINKING LONG TERM.

AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE HOA, THEY ARE AWARE OF THE TENTATIVE SCHEDULE, THEY'VE ACCEPTED THE SITUATION WITH, UH, EASEMENT ISSUES AND ALL OF THAT.

UH, UPON APPROVAL WE'LL REACH OUT WITH, UH, ALL OF THE RESIDENTS SIMULTANEOUSLY, LETTING 'EM KNOW THE PROJECT SCOPE, DURATION, AND THEN BETA PR WILL ALSO ASSIST WITH THAT AS DIRECT POINT OF CONTACT.

AND THEN WE FORESEE THE SCHEDULE ITSELF TO BE APPROXIMATELY FOUR MONTHS, 123 DAYS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO START AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND THEN WE SHOULD ANTICIPATE COMPLETION AROUND THE END OF AUGUST, WHICH WOULD FALL INTO THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR OF 24.

UH, WE ADVERTISED FOR BIDS ON MARCH 1ST, AND AT THE END OF MARCH ON THE 28TH, WE OPENED BIDS.

THERE WERE TWO BIDDERS BANNING KING CONSTRUCTION AT 849,000 4 25, AND THEN STANDARD CONSTRUCTION AT 1,045,565.

AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

COUNSEL, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU.

I DID ASK FOR THIS TO BE PULLED BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE PROJECT WAS, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON BACK BEYOND IN THE RESIDENTS, OBVIOUSLY, BUT ALSO THERE ARE A LOT OF VISITORS THAT ATTEMPT TO USE BACK BEYOND.

SO I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST THAT WE SHOULD, UH, DISCUSS.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I APPRECIATE GETTING A LAST MINUTE POLL.

UH, THANK YOU FOR PULLING THAT TOGETHER.

UH, NO PUN INTENDED ON PULLING.

UM, YOU SAID IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM, A KNOWN PROBLEM FOR A WHILE, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN A FLOODING SITUATION THERE? OH, EVER.

FOREVER.

THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER.

AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT EASEMENTS IN PLACE.

SO THE WORK GOES BEYOND THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THERE ARE EASEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE ALREADY.

THERE WAS A NEED FOR A PERMANENT EASEMENT AH, OKAY.

FOR THE NORTH SIDE.

SO THERE WAS A DR, EXISTING DRAINAGE EASEMENT ALONG THAT ALIGNMENT.

AND WE, UM, COORDINATED, JOHN COORDINATED WITH THE LANDOWNER WHEN WE GOT A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT.

PERFECT.

UM, DEDICATED.

SO THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.

SO ALL EASEMENTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ARE IN PLACE.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS A THROUGH F I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH F.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

MAYOR, WE NEED TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.

WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, EXCLUDING F, AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE MOTION.

YOU MEAN D UH, D YEAH, SORRY.

OH, BECAUSE IT WAS OKAY.

COULD, COULD I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM NUMBER THREE? D SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ITEM THREE D.

UNANIMOUS.

AYE, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A, B, C, E, AND F.

SECOND.

ANY OPPOSED? NO, JUST WANNA BE SURE.

THANK YOU JOANNE.

SOME REALLY COOL NEWS TO SHARE.

APPOINTMENTS, WE HAVE NONE.

UH, CURRENT EVENTS, UH, BY MYSELF, UH, THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER.

I JUST WANNA START WITH CHIEF FOLEY.

SHE HAS

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I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR.

HELLO EVERYONE.

THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, EVERYBODY ELSE TV, LAND IN HERE.

I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A, A MOMENT OF TIME JUST TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW DEPUTY CHIEF RYAN .

HE, UH, COMES FROM US WITH 24 EX 24 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE FROM FLORIDA, THE OTHER SUNNY STATE.

UM, PART OF HIS CAREER PATH HAS BEEN, HE STARTED AS AN OFFICER, MOVED INTO PATROL SERGEANT, THEN TO TACTICAL TEAM SERGEANT, AND WORKED AS A LIEUTENANT FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS, UH, IN HIS DEPARTMENT IN FLORIDA.

SO I COULD GO ON A LOT BECAUSE IT WAS A LONG RESUME, BUT I KNOW I ONLY HAVE A FEW MOMENTS.

SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF QUICKEN SO HE CAN JUST TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND INTRODUCE HIMSELF A LITTLE BIT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, VICE MAYOR, UH, CITY COUNCIL P EVERYBODY HERE.

FIRST, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME A FEW MINUTES TO SAY HI AND INTRODUCE MYSELF AS THE CHIEF SAID, MY NAME IS, UH, RYAN QUICKEN.

I DO COME FROM FLORIDA.

A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME IS, I'VE BEEN MARRIED THIS JUNE, IT'LL BE 20 YEARS TO MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE.

WE HAVE TWO BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN, AGE 14 AND 17 THAT, UH, GO TO, UH, SCHOOL IN TOWN.

SO BACK IN 2017, MY FAMILY AND I VISITED YOUR BEAUTIFUL CITY OF SEDONA, AND MY WIFE AND I KIND OF MADE A LITTLE COMMENT, LITTLE JOKE LIKE, HEY, HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE IF ONE DAY, UH, I WAS ABLE TO COME OUT HERE AND WORK AS A POLICE OFFICER.

WE'LL, FAST FORWARD FIVE YEARS, I STAND BEFORE EVERYBODY TODAY, VERY HUMBLED AND, AND, AND VERY THANKFUL.

I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE AND SAY, UH, THANK YOU TO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND THE CHIEF, UH, FOR TRUSTING ME WITH THIS, UH, VERY HONORABLE, UH, IMPORTANT POSITION.

AND I JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW, I PROMISE I WON'T LET ANYBODY DOWN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

UH, OTHER CURRENT EVENTS, UH, START WITH MY RIGHT.

OH, VICE MAYOR.

UH, I HAVE SOME CURRENT EVENTS FOR PARKS AND REC.

AND I WANNA SAY THAT THE FESTIVITIES ON SUNDAY OR SATURDAY RATHER, CELEBRATION OF SPRING WERE HELD.

AND 1,781 PEOPLE PARTICIPATED EXACTLY, OH, BY BUYING WRISTBANDS.

BUT THEY, AND THAT WAS FOR THE FEE, THE $5 FEE TO ENTER.

BUT THERE WAS A FREE EASTER EGG HUNT.

SO PARKS AND REC ANTICIPATES THAT OVER 2000 PEOPLE WERE IN ATTENDANCE, WHICH IS FABULOUS, BUT A GREAT TURNOUT FOR THAT EVENT.

UH, ONE OTHER THING, UH, THE OPEN GYM HAS BEEN SO POPULAR AND THE DEMAND HAS BEEN SO HIGH THAT THEY'VE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL DATE.

SO NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE OPEN GYM AT THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL ON TUESDAYS WITH VOLLEYBALL AND ON, UH, ONLY.

AND THEN ON THURSDAYS AND SUNDAYS WITH BASKETBALL ONLY.

SO THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL DAY, WHICH IS GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY TENNIS LESSONS, YPI HOUR DISC GOLF, BEGINNER'S EDGE SPORTS TRAINING, AND, UM, AND ALL ARE ON THE WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION.

BUT WE'RE OFFERING A LOT OF RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

AND FINALLY, THE SEDONA STUMBLE 5K 10 K RUN TOOK PLACE ON APRIL 1ST AND THERE WERE 242 RUNNERS.

, WHICH IS ALSO A FANTASTIC TURNOUT.

SO HATS OFF TO PARKS AND REC.

COUNCIL FURMAN, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT TOMORROW FORMER US REPRESENTATIVE TOM O'HALLORAN WILL BE SPEAKING AT THE KSB SPEAKER SERIES EVENT, FIVE O'CLOCK TOMORROW AT THE KSB, UH, BUILDING CAST WILLIAMSON.

ANYTHING? NOPE.

I WILL SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE EITHER ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR HERE AT THE MEETINGS.

I JUST WANNA ADD THAT, UM, ON APRIL 4TH, UH, COUNSELOR, UH, FOLTZ, UM, THE VICE MAYOR, MYSELF, THE CITY MANAGER, YEAH, CITY MANAGER.

AND I MET WITH FATHER IGNATIUS AND BETTY MCGINNIS FROM THE, UH, CHAPEL, THE HOLY CROSS, ALONG WITH RANGER TINDERHOLT AND HER STAFF TO TRY TO WORK AND BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE PARKING AND, UH, OTHER ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE ALL HAVING.

SOMETHING I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR A WHILE.

AND THEY ALL WANT TO GET TOGETHER.

AND AS WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT'S CONCRETE AND UH, MORE POSITIVE,

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SO IT'S JUST ONE STEP FORWARD.

SO I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY AND, AND THE CITY MANAGER FOR JOINING ME WITH, I THINK IT WAS PRETTY PRODUCTIVE FOR THE FIRST MEETING.

UM, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO NEXT GO TO PUBLIC FORUM.

I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC FORUM AND I HAVE TWO CARDS IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK NOW ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, FEEL FREE TO FILL OUT A CARD ON THE SMALL TABLE BY THE DOOR.

AND WE HAVE, UH, JIM CAP CAPELLIS.

JIM, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THE LIGHT'S ON TO YOUR RIGHT.

I, AND UM, UH, I WAS GONNA SEND YOU AN EMAIL, BUT I HAD A PROMPT AND IT'S HARD TO EMAIL THE PROP, SO SHE'S A PASSING IT AROUND.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN ALERT ON HOW EASY IT IS TO GET FOOLED ON SOME OF THESE RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS.

AND THE ONE IN SPECIFIC I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS ONE THAT I HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF, CUZ I RETIRED LAST FROM THE LAWRENCE LIVERMORE LABORATORY WHERE THEY HAD THE NATIONAL IGNITION FACILITY.

AND RECENTLY THEY, UH, CLAIMED SOME GREAT SUCCESS ON FUSION.

THEY PUT, UH, THREE MEGAJOULES INTO THAT TARGET AND GOT, UH, TWO MEGAJOULES INTO THAT TARGET AND GOT THREE OUT.

SO THEY CLAIMED 50% FUSION YIELD, BUT UH, SOMETIMES THERE'S FAKE NEWS EVERYWHERE.

AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS THEY TOOK A HUNDRED MEGAJOULES OUT OF THE GRID.

AND YOU SEE ON THIS, UH, HANDOUT THAT I'VE GOT, JANET HERE HAS COPIES IF ANYBODY WANTS 'EM.

THE NATIONAL IGNITION FACILITY IS ON THE FIRST PAGE.

IT'S THE SIZE OF THE FOOTBALL STADIUM, THE CARRIER DORM AT SYRACUSE WHERE I WENT TO SCHOOL.

THE CAPACITOR BANK IS THE SIZE OF A BASKETBALL COURT.

SO THEY PUMPED THAT UP WITH A HUNDRED MEGAJOULES.

IT GOES FLYING AROUND THROUGH A BUNCH OF LASERS AND FOCUSES ON THAT LITTLE TARGET.

UH, THEY TRIED THE MILESTONE WAS 2010 TO ACHIEVE YIELD WITH A $1 BILLION FACILITY.

IT COST 10 BILLION.

THEY FINALLY GOT YIELD LAST YEAR.

AND WHEN THEY DUPLICATED THE EXPERIMENT, IT FAILED.

SO IT WAS NOT REPRODUCIBLE.

AND THAT TARGET I'M PASSING AROUND IS A GOLD-PLATED.

VERY EXPENSIVE.

THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO GO TO A DIAMOND TARGET, DIAMOND VAPORIZATION DEPOSIT.

MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THAT.

BUT I GOT THAT ONE.

I RETIRED AND I RETIRED IN 2016.

SO I DON'T HAVE THE LATEST ONE.

SO I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE, UH, THE LAST TWO, THE LAST SLIDES, THE SLIDE BY CHARLES SIFI OF NYU SHOW SOME OF THE CLAIMS. AND YOU SEE SOME OF THE BOMBAS CLAIMS MADE WITH LABORATORY OFFICIALS THAT I USED TO WORK FOR.

I USED TO SIT AROUND THE CAFETERIA WITH THE GUYS WORKING ON THE PROJECT AND THEY SAID, THIS IS ALL A LOT OF CRAP.

WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET THERE AT THIS RATE.

AND IT'S KIND OF CRINGE WORTHY, BUT IF THEY SPOKE UP, THEY WERE TOLD THEY'D BE FIRED.

SO ANYWAY, IF JUST IN CASE ANYBODY'S BETTING ON THE C*M ON SOME OF THESE RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ALL OF THEM, BUT, UH, BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO CUZ IT MIGHT BE WHAT WE USED TO CALL IT LIVERMORE IBS, UH, INSTITUTIONALIZED B******T.

AND, UH, YOU'VE GOT SOME REFERENCES THERE.

AND, UH, I THINK THEY DID IT, BY THE WAY, A GREAT JOB IN GETTING THIS ACHIEVEMENT.

BUT THEY WENT OVERBOARD CLAIMING THEY GOT YIELD.

THIS DOES GIVE SOME LASER ENERGY.

IT PRODUCES A MINIATURE IN NOVA THAT'S VERY USEFUL IN NUCLEAR WEAPONS RESEARCH, BUT IT'S NOT PRODUCING ENERGY.

IT'S ABSORBING 99% OF THE ENERGY OF A STADIUM SIZED FACILITY, AND IT'S A BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

A MEGAJOULE, BY THE WAY, IS ABOUT A SMALL STICK OF DYNAMITE.

SO IT ABSORBED A HUNDRED.

YOU USED A HUNDRED MEGAJOULES ONTO THAT TARGET TWO GOT TO THE TARGET, THEY PRODUCED THREE.

I'M DONE.

WE'LL FINISH YOUR SENTENCE.

JOHN MARTINEZ IS UP NEXT.

JOHN, YOU HAVE HANDOUTS ALSO.

VERY EMOTIONAL ON A LOT OF FRONTS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNSEL.

MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINEZ, PUBLIC LIVE HERE IN SEDONA.

WHAT I'M HANDING OUT TO YOU IS BASICALLY A THANK YOU FOR THE SPONSORSHIP.

THE CITY OF SEDONA DID FOR THE WELCOME HOME, VIETNAM VETERANS WEEK.

IT BEGAN OFFICIALLY ON MARCH 29TH, AND IT RAN THROUGH APRIL THE SECOND.

I KNOW MAYOR ABLO DID A PRESENTATION OF WHAT THE CITY PRESENTED TO, UH, THE GROUP.

AND IT'S JUST LIKE, BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO BRING THE WELCOME HOME VIETNAM WALL TO THE VERDE VALLEY.

IT WAS, IT WAS AN AWESOME THING.

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I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF STANDING SECURITY AT NIGHT WHEN IT WAS NICE AND QUIET AND YOU CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY PEOPLE, BASICALLY, INDIVIDUALS CAME AND LOOKED AT THE WALL AND BASICALLY YOU COULD TELL THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THEIR FRIENDS AND THEY WOULD JUST SIT THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

THIS WAS THE 10TH YEAR THAT THE VERDE VALLEY HAD THE WALL, EXCUSE ME, CELEBRATED THE VIETNAM VETERANS DAY.

AND IT'S FROM WHAT ALL INDICATIONS ARE, IT WAS THE LAST TIME WE WILL DO IT.

FRIDAY WAS AWESOME THAT I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE.

CAUSE WE ACTUALLY AT THAT TIME POINTED OUT THE VIETNAM VETERANS OF ALL OF THE INDIAN NATIONS, ESPECIALLY OF, UH, THE ARIZONA AREA.

SO IT WAS SOMETHING FOR ME.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I HIGHLIGHTED THE SPONSORSHIP THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA DID FOR THE GROUP.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, JOHN.

THAT WAS SOME EVENT.

I'VE SEEN IT SO MANY YEARS IN THE PAST AND IT STILL BRINGS A TEAR TO EVERYBODY'S EYE.

AND IT, IT, I WAS JUST HONORED TO BE THERE, SO THANK YOU.

PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.

I NEED MY GLASSES FOR THIS.

IT DOESN'T WORK WITHOUT 'EM ANYMORE, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO, UH, BB MAN AND CASSANDRA PRICE NECK CLOSE.

I WAS CLOSE.

CONNECT, RESPECT, PREVENT SEXUAL VIOLENCE.

SO IF YOU WANNA STAND UP ON, I'LL READ THIS TO YOU.

IT'S TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.

IT'S TIME TO SPEAK UP.

SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH PROCLAMATION.

WHEREAS THE SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH IS INTENDED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS WIDESPREAD AND HAS PUBLIC HEALTH IMPLICATIONS FOR, UH, EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA SHARES A CRITICAL CONCERN FOR THE VICTIMS OF, OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND THE DESIRE TO SUPPORT THE NEEDS FOR JUSTICE AND HEALING.

AND WHEREAS RAPE, SEXUAL ASSAULT, SEXUAL HARASSMENT IMPACT ON OUR, OUR COMMUNITY, UH, AS SEEN BY STATISTICS INDICATE THAT ONE IN TWO WOMEN, ONE IN FOUR MEN AND ONE IN TWO TRANSGENDER INDIVIDUALS, HAVE EXPERIENCED SEX, UH, CONTACT, EXPERIENCED CONTACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE IN THEIR LIFETIME.

THAT'S A NATIONAL, UH, INTIMATE PARTNER AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE SURVEY 2018 US TRANS SURVEY 2015.

AND WHEREAS WE MUST WORK TOGETHER TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT SEXUAL ASSAULT AND HOW TO SUPPORT SURVIVORS.

AND WHEREAS STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS OF ANTI-VIOLENCE PROGRAMS AT VERDE VALLEY SANCTUARY ENCOURAGE EVERY PERSON TO SPEAK OUT WHEN WITNESSING ACTS OF VIOLENCE, HOWEVER SMALL AND SUPPORT VICTIMS OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE.

AND WHEREAS WITH LEADERSHIP, DEDICATION, ENCOURAGEMENT, THERE IS COMPELLING EVIDENCE THAT WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN REDUCING SEXUAL VIOLENCE IN THE, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA THROUGH PREVENTION, EDUCATION, INCREASED AWARENESS IN HOLDING, UH, PREPARATIONS NO PERPETRATORS, EXCUSE ME, WHO COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE EFFORTS OF THE NATIONAL, STATE AND LOCAL PARTNERS AND OF EVERY CITIZEN TO, TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE EFFORTS, INCLUDING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS, HOW TO PREVENT IT, HOW TO HELP SURVIVORS CONNECT WITH SERVICES, AND HOW, UH, EVERY, UH, SEGMENT OF OUR SOCIETY CAN WORK TOGETHER TO BETTER ADDRESS SEXUAL VIOLENCE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT JALO, THE MAYOR OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL 11TH, 2023 AS SEXUAL AWARENESS, SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, ISSUED THIS 11TH DAY APRIL, 2023.

SO LET ME, AND IT'S UP TO YOU.

GREETINGS MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND PELLA CITIZENS, THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THIS PROCLAMATION.

THIS IS A CLEAR DECLARATION TO JOIN HANDS ACROSS THE SEDONA AREA TO PREVENT SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND SUPPORT SURVIVORS.

SEXUAL

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ASSAULT AT ITS CORE IS A DEVASTATING ABUSE OF POWER.

ONE THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE OF EVERY AGE, RACE, SEX, GENDER IDENTITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, SOCIOECONOMIC BACKGROUND, AND RELIGION.

IT IS CRITICAL FOR EACH OF US TO STAND UP AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS ISSUE, IMPROVE THE LAWS AND SERVICES AVAILABLE TO SURVIVORS, AND TO CHANGE THE CULTURE AND ATTITUDE THAT ALLOWS US VIOLENCE TO PROLIFERATE.

THE SANCTUARY WILL BE OFFERING A MEET AND GREET WORKSHOP AT THREE LOCAL LIBRARIES CALLED HEIGHTENING SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH, WHERE SANCTUARY STAFF WILL FACILITATE A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND HOW, HOW TO SUPPORT YOURSELF AND OTHERS.

THE THREE DATES ARE GOING TO BE APRIL 13TH AT THE COTTONWOOD PUBLIC LIBRARY, APRIL 19TH AT THE CAMP VERDE LIBRARY AND APRIL 27TH HERE IN SEDONA AT THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY.

IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED SEXUAL VIOLENCE AT ANY POINT IN YOUR LIFE, OR NO S SOMEONE WHO HAS YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

THERE IS SUPPORT AND SAFETY WAITING FOR YOU.

AND YOU CAN REACH VERDE VALLEY SANCTUARIES CRISIS HELPLINE 24 HOURS A DAY.

OUR PHONE NUMBER IS (928) 634-2511.

AND YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS WHEN YOU CALL.

UM, WE DID BRING FLYERS AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE WORKSHOPS, UM, AND WE CAN LEAVE THOSE AT THE END.

MISS VIVIAN IS GONNA BE HOSTING THOSE WORKSHOPS AND WE SOME THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY, WE HAVE ONE MORE.

THOUGHT I SAW YOU WALK IN.

MATT FORCE A REALLY, ANOTHER AMAZING ORGANIZATION THAT DOES A LOT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO STAND WITH ME.

BE DRUG FREE WEEK APRIL 19TH TO 15TH TO THE 15TH, WHEREAS MATT FORCE HAS PROCLAIMED APRIL 9TH TO THE 15TH, 2023 TO BE STAND WITH ME, BE DRUG FREE WEEK.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA EMBRACES A VISION OF HEALTHY, VIBRANT, STRONG COMMUNITY FOR CHILDREN, YOUTH, FAMILIES, AND PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, AND CELEBRATES THE FACT THAT A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO NOT ABUSE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA RECOGNIZES THAT USE YOUTH PREVENTION IS ESSENTIAL, IS, IS ESSENTIAL BASED ON THE FACT THAT NINE OF 10 PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE WITH SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS BEGIN USING SUBSTANCES AS A TEENAGER.

AND WHEREAS KNOWING THAT FAMILIES ARE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY ILLEGAL DRUG USE, INCLUDING WORK PROBLEMS, LEGAL PROBLEMS, MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, PHYSICAL ILLNESS, ADDICTION, ACCIDENTS, ACCIDENTAL DEATH, ECONOMIC LOSS, CHILD ABUSE, DESTRUCTION OF FAMILIES DRIVING WHILE IMPAIRED AND CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS AND PROPERTY.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND AND PAY TRIBUTE TO ALL OF ITS CITIZENS WHO CHOOSE TO BE FREE OF ILLEGAL DRUG USE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT JALO, MAYOR OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL DUE PROCLAIM APRIL 9TH TO THE 15TH, 2023 AS, UH, STAND WITH ME.

BE DRUG FREE WEEK IN SEDONA.

ISSUED THIS 11TH DAY APRIL, 2023.

I KNOW THAT SHOULD SURPRISE YOU BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE THINK IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

YEAH, YOU WANTED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS MARDELL TERRY, AND I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE GREATER SEDONA SUBSTANCE ABUSE COMMITTEE.

AND I HAVE GOOD NEWS.

I KNOW THROUGH NEWSPAPERS, TV, RADIO, ALL YOU HEAR IS ABOUT, UH, YOUTH BEING ON DRUGS.

BUT THE ARIZONA YOUTH, UH, SURVEY, WHICH IS TAKEN EVERY TWO YEARS AND GIVEN TO EIGHTH, 10TH, AND 12TH GRADERS, WE HAVE FOUND THAT 80% OF OUR YAVAPAI YOUTH ARE DRUG FREE.

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AND THESE KIDS, WHEN THEY FILL OUT THIS SURVEY, THEY THINK THAT MOST OF THE KIDS AT, UH, SCHOOL ARE USING DRUGS AND THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT ISN'T.

BUT IT ISN'T TRUE.

SO WE NEED YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT IN OUR WEAK THAT WE CALL STAND WITH ME, BE DRUG FREE.

AND THAT IS APRIL 9TH THROUGH THE 15TH.

AND ON THE 15TH AT MORK FARMS IN DEWEY, WE HAVE A WALK AND, UH, THE FARM HAS A LOT OF THINGS FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY ON.

AND WE ASK, UH, THE PARENTS TO BRING THEIR KIDS.

AND WE TALK ABOUT DON'T USE DRUGS.

SO WE NEED YOUR HELP TO SPREAD THE WORD.

AT THE MAJORITY OF OUR YOUTH, OUR YABA PIE YOUTH, UM, HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO USE DRUGS.

OH, AND I WANNA SHOW YOU OUR, UM, POSTER HERE.

AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IS, UM, TO PUT THESE UP SOMEWHERE.

AND ALSO WE NEED PEOPLE TO COME TO OUR WORK GROUP.

AND IF YOU'LL CALL, UM, KELLY LEE, YOU HAVE HER NUMBER, I THINK.

IF NOT, UH, EMAIL ME AND I'LL GET IT TO HER.

WE NEED YOUR HELP.

AND ONE DAY MAYBE IT'LL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT DRUG FREE.

CAN YOU LEAVE SOME OF THOSE POSTS WITH THE CLERK OR AT THE TABLES? WE CAN.

HOPEFULLY GET THEM UP SOMEWHERE, RYAN, UH, AT LEAST BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE, IF NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

NOW LET'S GO ON TO, UH, REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM, A AB 29 27 PRESENTATION.

DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE UPPER, EXCUSE ME, UPPER VERDE RIVER WILD AND SCENIC RIVER DESIGNATION.

CAN I DRIVE THE PRESENTATION? THE PRESENTATION? GOOD EVENING.

UH, THANK YOU MAYOR JALO, VICE MAYOR PLU AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, MY NAME IS NANCY STEELE.

I'M EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER.

WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A PRESENTATION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT UP LIVE FOR YOU OR IF I SHOULD JUST GO THROUGH IT.

UM, MAYBE IN INTEREST OF TIME, I CAN, UH, JUST GET STARTED ON THE PRESENTATION.

ALSO, I'M HERE REPRESENTING A COALITION.

UH, IT'S, UH, MORE THAN JUST THE FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER HERE COALITION, INVITING YOU TO JOIN WITH MANY OF THE OTHER CITIES HERE IN THE VERDE RIVER WATERSHED TO DESIGNATE THE UPPER VERDE AS A WILD AND SCENIC RIVER.

AND ALSO IN THE AUDIENCE IS, UH, TRACY STEVENS, OUR PROGRAM DIRECTOR.

SHE'S OVER THERE.

UM, AND, UM, AS I SAID, I'M HERE.

I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON BEHALF OF THE COALITION.

SO THE VERDE RIVER IS, UH, THE UPPER VERDE RIVER IS PART OF, AGAIN, PART OF THE ENTIRE VERDE RIVER WATERSHED, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, MANY OF THE TRIBUTARIES, INCLUDING SYCAMORE AND OAK AND, UH, UH, WEST FORK.

BACK COUNTRY HUNTERS AND ANGLERS, DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE, AMERICAN WHITEWATER, NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY, THE NATURAL HISTORY INSTITUTE, PEW CHARITABLE TRUSTS, AND OF COURSE, THE FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER.

, AND THE, UH, ON THE OAK CREEK WATERSHED, SUB WATERSHED OF THE VERDE RIVER WATERSHED.

IT IS, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS REMARKABLE IMPORTANCE TO THE REGION, IT'S ELIGIBLE TO BE DESIGNATED AS A WILD AND SCENIC RIVER, WHICH IS A FEDERAL DESIGNATION.

THE COALITION OF GROUPS THAT'S LEADING THIS EFFORT INCLUDES REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE YAVAPAI, APACHE NATION, LOCAL BUSINESSES, INCLUDING VERDE ADVENTURES AND LOCAL AND NATIONAL NONPROFITS, INCLUDING WILD ARIZONA, THE ARIZONA WILDLIFE FEDERATION, AMERICAN RIVERS, SIERRA CLUB, THE WILDERNESS SOCIETY,

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IT'S OKAY, I'LL JUST, THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION COVERING THE UPPER VERDE REACHES FROM, OF, FROM THE RIVER, FROM ITS HEADWATERS IN CHINO VALLEY TO CLARKDALE AND INCLUDES THE ENTIRETY OF SYCAMORE CREEK AND A SMALL PORTION OF GRANITE CREEK, WHICH ARE TWO OF THE CRITICAL TRIBUTARIES.

THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION, UH, WOULD INCLUDE THE RIVERSIDE LANDS, A RIPARIAN CORRIDOR, AND INCLUDES, UM, TOTAL OF 76 RIVER MILES AND ABOUT 24,000 ACRES OF RIVERSIDE LANDS.

CURRENTLY IN ARIZONA, THERE IS 57.3 MILES OF THE VERDE RIVER, THE LOWER VERDE, UM, AND FOSSIL CREEK THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AS WELL IN SCENIC RIVERS.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY WILD AND SCENIC RIVERS CURRENTLY IN ARIZONA.

CONVINCING OUR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES THAT THE UPPER VERDE, SYCAMORE CREEK, AND A PORTION OF GRANITE CREEK IS WORTHY OF JOINING THE OTHER, UH, RIVERS IN THE US THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS WILD AND SCENIC.

AMAZING, HUH? SO THIS DESIGNATION OF 76 RIVER MILES WOULD MORE THAN DOUBLE, UH, THE MILES THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS WILD AND SCENIC IN ARIZONA.

IT'S THE HIGHEST FORM OF FEDERAL PROTECTION FOR RIVERS.

THE WILD AND SCENIC RIVERS ACT WAS ADOPTED IN 1968.

IT'S ONE OF THE US' BEDROCK ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS AND THE HIGHEST FORM OF FEDERAL PROTECTION FOR RIVERS IN THE US.

THE ACT WAS PASSED REALLY AT THE HEIGHT OF THE US' DAM BUILDING ERA .

AND IT WAS, THE FOCUS WAS TO CREATE A PATH TO PROTECT FREE FLOWING RIVERS THAT POSSESS NATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT VALUES.

THIS IS NOT JUST IMPORTANT FOR ARIZONA, THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE NATION.

MOST COMMONLY, A BILL IS PASSED BY CONGRESS AND SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND IN ORDER FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, WE NEED A LOT OF LOCAL CONTROL, LOCAL SUPPORT, SORRY.

WE NEED A LOT OF LOCAL SUPPORT, UH, TO CONVINCE THE CONGRESS THAT THIS IS WORTHY OF PROTECTION.

THE ACT PROTECTS RIVERS IN FIVE MAJOR WAYS.

IT PRESERVES THE FREE FLOWING CHARACTER OF THE RIVER, WHICH MEANS IT WILL ENSURE CLEAN WATER KEEPS FLOWING DOWNSTREAM AND BANS NEW FEDERALLY LICENSED DAMS AND LARGE WATER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.

WATER QUALITY MUST BE KEPT AT ITS CURRENT LEVEL, OR IMPROVED.

IT PROTECTS THE OUTSTANDING VALUES WHICH ARE DESIGNATED IN THE ACT.

SCENIC, CULTURAL, WILDLIFE, RECREATION, FISH, AND OTHER VALUES THAT MAKE THE RIVER UNIQUE CREATES A JUNIOR FEDERALLY RESERVED WATER RIGHTS.

SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT CONCEPT, THIS IS NOT, UH, IT DOES NOT, UM, UH, ESTABLISH A SENIOR RIGHT.

IT DOES NOT SUBORDINATE OTHER RIGHTS.

THOSE RIGHTS STILL ARE MAINTAINED, BUT THIS WOULD BE A JUNIOR RIGHT THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE MINIMUM FLOW NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE RIVER'S OUTSTANDING VALUES.

AND IT CREATES A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO GUIDE RIVER MANAGEMENT FOR THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS.

DOES NOT AFFECT EXISTING USES OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, WATER RIGHTS, OR GRAZING PERMITS.

UNDER THE ACT, THE UPPER, UPPER VERDE HAS OUTSTANDINGLY REMARKABLE VALUES FOR SCENERY, HISTORIC AND CULTURAL USES, WILDLIFE AND RECREATION AND GEOLOGY.

AND I NOTICED YOUR, YOUR BEAUTIFUL PHOTOS BEHIND THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF AFRICAN WILDLIFE.

WE HAVE OUR OWN CORRESPONDING WILDLIFE HERE THAT THE, UH, THE ACT WILL, UM, PROTECT.

THERE ARE SOME 21 SPECIES LISTED UNDER THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY THE VERDE WATERSHED.

AND THE UPPER VERDE IS ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT ESPECIALLY PROTECTS NATIVE FISH HABITATS IN ARIZONA.

AND THE PUBLIC, OF COURSE, WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE INCLUSION DESCRIPTION OF THESE OUTSTANDING VALUES.

CURRENTLY, WE'RE WORKING ON BUILDING COMMUNITY SPORT SUPPORT FOR THIS.

IN THE LAST, UH, FEW MONTHS, WE HAVE EXCEEDED OVER 100 BUSINESSES.

I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT COUNT OF THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SUPPORTED, UH, PRESCOTT, UH, IS IN SUPPORT.

COTTONWOOD CAMP VERDE, CLARKDALE ARE IN SUPPORT AND, UH, AND MORE.

WE HAVE, UH, UH, ALREADY APPROACHED OUR ARIZONA CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES LAST MONTH, MEMBERS OF THE COALITION VISITED WASHINGTON AND SPOKE WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND OUR SENATORS, UM, ON THE, UH, FOCUS FOR, UM, BUILDING, CREATING LEGISLATION FOR THIS, YOUR SUPPORT, THE CITY OF SEDONAS SUPPORT, WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS

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THANKFULLY, THE UPPER VERDE REMAINS A REFUGE FOR WILDLIFE AND A SANCTUARY FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY AND APPRECIATE.

AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

AND WE WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK, YOUR QUESTIONS, AND HOPEFULLY YOUR SUPPORT.

ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? NO.

UH, OKAY.

COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, GO FOR IT.

IS THERE OPPOSITION TO THIS? SO FAR, WE HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY THAT TAKE, HAVE TAKEN A POSITION OF OPPOSITION IN PAST ERAS.

UH, WHEN THIS WAS, UH, RAISE WAS, THIS WAS RAISED, UM, I'M THINKING THREE DECADES AGO THERE WAS OPPOSITION FROM CATTLE RANCHERS, BUT WE'RE WORKING HARD, UH, WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY SEE THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD THREATEN THEIR WAY OF LIFE AND BUSINESS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILOR.

PETE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WOULD.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND NANCY.

UH, AND TRACY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.

WAIT A MINUTE.

HOLD ON.

I, I DID MISS, THANK YOU.

UH, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS, IF YOU, UH, I, I'VE OMITTED THAT.

UH, ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK? PLEASE GET UP NOW.

UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT, FILL OUT A CARD, UH, OR SPEAK FIRST, AND YOU CAN FILL OUT THE CARD AFTER.

IS ANYBODY INTERESTED IN MAKING A COMMENT? NO.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU, RYAN.

PLEASE CONTINUE.

I APOLOGIZE.

BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR BRING IT.

YES, BRING IT BACK.

WELL, WE'VE ALREADY HAD COMMENT.

NO, YOU DIDN'T.

YOU DID QUESTIONS AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.

DO YOU HAVE COMMENT? I DO HAVE A COMMENT.

SO LET'S GET TO COMMENTS.

MY COMMENT IS THAT I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT IN ITS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

UH, I KNOW THE PRESENTATION WASN'T ON THE SCREEN, BUT WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION, UM, HERE ON OUR, UM, COMPUTERS.

AND I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE IMPORTANCE OF A DESIGNATION LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY IN ITS ROLE IN PROTECTING THE HABITAT AND ITS ROLE IN PROTECTING WILDLIFE AS WELL.

I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD.

ANYBODY, I HAVE ONE CALL.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THE UPPER VERDE IS THE ONLY REMAINING FREE FLOWING RIVER, UM, IN ARIZONA OF, OF ANY SUBSTANCE.

THERE USED TO BE LIKE SEVEN OR SOMETHING.

AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S LEFT.

SO I THINK IT'S AN INCREDIBLE RESOURCE AND YOU, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY WOR.

I APPRECIATE YOUR DOING IT AGAIN.

I APOLOGIZE, PETE.

NOW YOU WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION? I, I DO.

BUT I ALSO WANTED TO THROW OUT A LITTLE FACTOID.

NANCY, I DON'T THINK I HEARD YOU COVER IT.

YOU COVERED ALL MY TALKING POINTS.

THANK YOU FOR THE PACKET YOU SUBMITTED TO US.

DETAILED INFORMATION, 90,000 MILES OF RIVERS IN ARIZONA AND ONLY 57 WILD IN SCENIC.

IT IS AN AMAZING STATISTIC.

SO APPRECIATE BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 20 23 11 11 IN SUPPORT OF THE UPPER VERDE RIVER WILD AND SCENIC RIVER DESIGNATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT.

FIRST AND SECOND.

ANY OPPOSED? NO, WE ARE UNANIMOUS.

THANKS FOR BRINGING US TO OUR ATTENTION, PETE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE REALLY GREAT PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND ALL COUNSELORS.

DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE OF SIX ANIMALS BY ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 6.15, OUTDOOR FEEDING AND PROTECTION OF WILDLIFE.

AND WE HAVE BRIAN FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT.

ANYBODY I HEARD IS TIM HERE? OH, THERE YOU GO.

THIS IS GOOD FOR HIM.

NICE.

I THOUGHT I SAW YOU WALKING BEFORE TIM.

HI TIM, HOW ARE YOU? OH, WELCOME.

THANK YOU, MAAM.

UH, BRIAN ARMSTRONG WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.

UH, WHOEVER WANTS TO, UH, START, BRIAN, YOU WANT TO SURE.

OPEN A DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

I BRINGING THIS FORWARD WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

UH, BASICALLY I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION PER

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SE SINCE, UH, ON BACK ON FEBRUARY 14TH, UH, UH, TIM WITH GAME AND FISH CAME AND PUT ON A PRESENTATION FOR THE COUNCIL AND COVERED MOST OF THAT INFORMATION, ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION, AND HE'S WITH US HERE TODAY TO, TO EXPOUND ON THAT OR ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS.

THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS CODE WAS TO PROMOTE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FEEDING OF WILDLIFE, UH, FOR THE PROTECTION OF PEOPLE AND THE WILDLIFE.

UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I CAN GO THROUGH THE AGENDA BILL ITEM FOR THE PUBLIC OR PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T HERE THAT DON'T HAVE IT.

OTHERWISE.

I WAS JUST GONNA LEAVE IT TO THE COUNCIL TO, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST, TIM? I DO NOT.

THANK, THANKS AGAIN FOR THE INVITATION OF MAYOR VICE MARIN COUNSEL.

WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MEADES? I WAS LOOKING OVER THE SIDE.

COUNSEL KINSELLA.

UM, IT'S INTERESTING THE TIMING OF THESE TWO ITEMS BECAUSE IN THE ONE JUST PREVIOUSLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING WILDLIFE, WHICH WE JUST SUPPORTED, UH, UNANIMOUSLY.

AND YET NOW WE'RE, UH, TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO RECOGNIZE HIS IMPACTS ON WILDLIFE AND ALSO IT TALKS ABOUT IMPOSING MORE HARDSHIP ON WILDLIFE.

SO JUST FIND THE TIMING OF THAT.

INTERESTING.

UM, I JUST, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS HERE.

UH, THE, THE BIGGEST QUESTION I'LL START WITH, THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS THE FACT THAT THIS INCLUDES WATER.

IT SAYS EDIBLE MATERIAL MEANS ANY HUMAN OR ANIMAL FOOD, FOOD BYPRODUCT, ANIMAL CARCASSES, SALT, ORGANIC MATERIAL, REFUSE GARBAGE OR WATER.

AND I AM WONDERING IF THE REASONING BEHIND WATER, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT DENYING WE'VE TAKEN AWAY HABITAT, UM, WE HAVE TR CHANGED DRAINAGE AND DIVERTED WATER COURSES, UM, AND WE'VE FORCED ANIMALS IN, WE KNOW THE HEAT AND THE DROUGHT THAT WE GET.

SO WHY DO WE WANNA INCLUDE WATER AS SOMETHING THAT'S AN ATTRACTANT WHEN ANIMALS TEND TO ONLY COME UNDER THE MOST DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES SEEKING WATER WITHIN CITY LIMITS? THIS WAS A ORDINANCE WE, THE ONE PROPOSED TODAY IS, UH, BASED ON SEVERAL OTHER CITIES IN COUNTIES AROUND ARIZONA.

BUT, AND IF YOU LOOK UNDER TO BEST ANSWER THAT I HOPE I CAN ANSWER THAT IS UNDER THE EXEMPTIONS SECTION OF THE CHAPTER, UH, SIX 15.040, UH, E WATER FEATURES SUCH AS FOUNTAINS, PONDS, BIRD BATHS, ARE THERE SIMILAR STRUCTURES WHERE THE PRIMARY PURSES PURPOSE IS DECORATIVE ARAR RUMOR OR, OR EXEMPT? SO I THOUGHT IN MY MIND IT, I THINK I THOUGHT WE EXEMPTED WATER FEATURES FOR THOSE PURPOSES.

YOU RAISED FOUNTAINS, PONDS, BIRD BATHS, BUT WATER PUT OUT FOR ANIMALS, SUCH AS IF YOU'RE PUTTING OUT, I, I WANNA KNOW HOW THIS IMPACTS BECAUSE I, I DO LIKE, LET ME START WITH THAT, WITH THE, UM, THE DEFINITIONS THAT THIS DOES ONLY APPLY AND I WANNA MAKE SURE OF THAT TOO.

THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THAT THE WILDLIFE MEANS BEAR, HALINA, DEER, ELK, COYOTES, BOBCATS AND OR MOUNTAIN LIONS.

SO OTHER, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER ANIMAL WOULD NOT BE, IF, IF THERE WAS, UM, SOMEBODY FEEDING THOSE ANIMALS THAT WOULD NOT APPLY.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES.

ACCORDING TO WORDING NOW, AND I, I'VE SPOKE THE CITY ATTORNEY RAISED SOME ISSUES AFTER SPEAKING WITH, UH, GAME AND FISH MM-HMM.

THAT THE, WE WERE WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IF I'M CORRECT, KURT, UH, FOX AND SKUNK TO THOSE, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ADD THOSE, THOSE ARE CARRIERS OF RABIES.

AND TIM CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN.

I CAN, NO.

LET ME CONTINUE WITH THE, CUZ THAT WAS PART OF THE QUESTION, THE WATER.

SO THE QUESTION THEN, IF THE WATER IS PUT OUT FOR AN ANIMAL NOT COVERED, BUT HALINA OR DEAR, I MEAN, I KNOW I, I HAVE NEIGHBORS, I FACE A STREET, BUT THE BACKSIDE, MY NEIGHBORS THERE FACE, OPEN LAND WHERE THERE ARE SOMETIMES DEER IF WATER BEING PUT OUT FOR THE RABBITS AND THE SQUIRRELS AND THE FERAL CAT COLONY, BUT HALINA START TO COME FOR THAT WATER.

HOW DOES THIS ORDINANCE AFFECT THAT? UM, I'LL START WITH THE, THE ORIGINAL WATER QUESTION, MAYOR.

WILDLIFE IN TOWN AND CREATES MORE HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTIONS THAN WOULD, THAN WOULD BE REASONABLY THAN WE WOULD REASONABLY ENCOURAGE.

, UH, COUNSELOR.

UM, ARIZONA'S NATIVE WILDLIFE BEFORE CITIES AND TOWNS WERE BUILT, DEALT WITH LACK OF WATER.

THERE IS FAR MORE WATER IN URBAN AREAS NOW THAN WHEN, WHEN WILDLIFE WAS HERE BEFORE HUMAN BEINGS, UH, UNSETTLED THE LAND.

SO, UM, PUTTING AGAIN, ALL THE NATURAL FEATURES, OR I'M SORRY, THE, ALL THE, UM, ARTIFICIAL FE WATER FEATURES THAT ARE IN TOWNS RIGHT NOW PROVIDE WAY MORE WATER THAN OUR NATIVE WILDLIFE EVER NEEDED.

AND, UM, THE, THE INTENTIONAL PLACING OF WATER FOR WILDLIFE ACTUALLY ATTRACTS

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UM, CUZ THEY'RE ALREADY ATTRACTED TO TOWN, PARTICULARLY HALINA.

THIS IS HOW THIS DISCUSSION STARTED WITH OUR HALINA AND HALINA ARE AN AIRED SPECIES.

THEY DO VERY WELL IN THE DESERT WITHOUT ARTIFICIAL WATER.

BUT NOW BECAUSE OF THE HABITAT THAT WE'VE CHANGED AS HUMANS, THE HABITAT IN MUNICIPALITIES AND CITIES IS WAY BETTER THAN IT IS OUT IN THE DESERT.

SO THEY ACTUALLY DON'T NEED THAT EXTRA WATER FOR PEOPLE WHEN PEOPLE INTENTIONALLY PUT OUT WATER BOWLS.

UM, AND UM, ACTUALLY WE DON'T HAVE GREAT DATA ON THIS, BUT, UM, WE CAN TIE IT FAIRLY, WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN TIE THE NUMBER OF HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTIONS, UM, PRETTY CLOSELY WITH THE PLACEMENT OF ATTRACTIONS, INCLUDING WATER, AGAIN, WITH THE EXEMPTION OF THE ARTIFICIAL FEATURES.

BUT MY, MY QUESTION WAS, IF WATER IS PUT OUT INTENDED NOT FOR THOSE ANIMALS, SO HERE'S THE SECOND IT ATTRACTS THOSE ANIMALS.

HOW IS THAT? THIS IS THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION THAT I BROUGHT UP TO THE CITY WHEN I SAW THE DRAFT.

UM, OTHER, OTHER CITIES HAVE ENACTED DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF, OF WILDLIFE.

SOME CHOOSE THE SPECIES THAT WERE IN THE DRAFT THAT WAS PROPOSED TO YOU CHOOSE SOME CITIES CHOOSE TO EXCLUDE ALL WILDLIFE MM-HMM.

, UM, OR INCLUDE ALL WILDLIFE IN THE DEFINITION, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING OUT COUNSELOR IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM WITH DEFINING ONLY CERTAIN SPECIES OF WILDLIFE.

I I'M SORRY, MY QUESTION'S NOT GETTING ANSWERED THOUGH.

IF YOU PUT IT OUT WATER INTENDED FOR AN ANIMAL, BUT IT ATTRACTS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAT IS COVERED HERE.

HOW IS THAT THEN GOING TO BE ADDRESSED? YOU AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN SAY IT BETTER, BUT THE DEFINITION OF WILDLIFE IS VERY CRITICAL OF THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH, WHICH YOU'VE FOUND, WHAT YOU'VE DISCOVERED IN THIS DRAFT IS WHAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT KAREN UHHUH .

OKAY, NOW I HEAR YOUR ANSWER.

BETWEEN POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS WILDLIFE AND HUMANS.

UH, I THINK WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS TRYING TO DO IS DISCOURAGE THE PROBLEMATIC INTERACTIONS MM-HMM.

SO IF BY ATTRACTING OR PUTTING OUT WATER THAT ATTRACTS HALINA, WHICH ARE IN A HERD THAT THEN BECOMES AGGRESSIVE AND IS TOO PROXIMATE TO HUMANS, THAT THAT INTERACTION IS PROBLEMATIC.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DISCOURAGE.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF WATER IS BEING PUT OUT AND IT ENDS UP ATTRACTING SOME OF THESE ANIMALS THAT WERE INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO SEPARATE FROM HUMANS THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM AND THAT IS A VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE.

UM, AGAIN, I DID RESPOND TO THAT IN COMMENTS, NOT IN QUESTIONS.

SO, UH, THANK YOU.

UM, I HAD THE QUESTION THAT, AND I DID ASK KURT EARLIER TO ANSWER THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET IT INTO THIS DIALOGUE AS WELL.

UH, SECTION 6.1, 5.020 TALKS ABOUT SOME LAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO INTENTIONALLY, KNOWINGLY OR RECKLESSLY FEED WILDLIFE OR TO ATTRACT WILDLIFE.

AND I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT INTENTIONALLY AND KNOWINGLY MEANS, BUT I WANTED TO GET A DEFINITION OF RECKLESSLY ON THE, ON THE, UH, RECORD HERE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELOR.

SO THOSE DEFINITIONS COME ARE STRAIGHT FROM THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTE, THE CRIMINAL CODE TITLE 13.

AND THEY ARE DEFINED IN THERE, UM, RECKLESSLY PER THE CODE MEANS A JUST READ IT, UH, MEANS THAT A PERSON IS AWARE OR OF AND CONSCIOUSLY DISREGARDS A SUBSTANTIAL AND UNJUSTIFIABLE RISK THAT THE RESULT WILL OCCUR OR THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST.

SO IN THIS CASE, IT'D BE A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, OR UNJUSTIFIABLE, UH, CONSCIOUSLY DISREGARD, UM, UH, THAT THE, THE ANIMAL, THE WILDLIFE WOULD BE FED BY THEIR ACTIONS.

WOULD HAVE TO TAKE DIFFERENT MEASURES AND OR CHANGE THEIR METHOD OF FEEDING THE QUAIL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT DEFINITION.

ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE GOES TO SECTION 6.1, 5.040, THE EXCEPTIONS, UH, E NO, I'M SORRY, NOT E D SEEDS, NECTAR AND OTHER MATERIAL FOR BIRDS OR SQUIRRELS PLACED SPECIFICALLY FOR ATTRACTING WILD BIRDS AND OR TREE SQUIRRELS, QUARRELS AT LEAST FOUR FEET ABOVE THE GROUND OR IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO MAKE IT INACCESSIBLE TO OTHER WILDLIFE.

AND THERE ARE GROUND FEEDING BIRDS SUCH AS QUAIL THAT, SO I WANTED TO KNOW HOW THIS AFFECTS THAT AND PUTTING OUT, ARE YOU ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM QUAIL BLOCK, WHICH IS COMPRESSED BLOCK OF FOOD THAT IS PUT AT GROUND LEVEL FOR QUAIL SPECIFICALLY? SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW SOMETHING LIKE A QUAIL, THE EXAMPLE OF A QUAIL BLOCK WOULD BE ADDRESSED.

SO COUNSELORS, I CAN, I CAN START WITH THAT ONE.

UH, THE, SO IN AS MUCH AS IT ONLY ATTRACTED QUAIL, THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.

BUT IF IT BEGAN TO ATTRACT AND OR THE PROHIBITED WILDLIFE BEGAN TO FEED ON THAT, THEN THE, THE OWNER

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SO IT'S A QUAIL BLOCK AND THE INTENT IS TO FEED QUAIL, BUT HALINA EAT ANYTHING PRETTY MUCH.

SO WHEN THEY START EATING THAT SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO DISCONTINUE THEIR FEEDING OF QUAIL AND OR CHANGE THE MANNER.

QUAIL CAN FLY UP ON FENCES, THEY CAN GET AROUND, BUT, BUT THEY'RE GROUND, BUT THEY WOULD'VE TO CHANGE.

UM, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THERE ARE HAVE TO DO WITH HABITATS.

WE, WE HAVE SOME PROPERTIES IN SEDONA THAT ARE LARGE TRACKS OF LAND, NOT MANY, BUT THEY DO EXIST.

WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT ARE OVER 10 ACRES.

WE HAVE SOME ON QUAIL TRAIL, WE HAVE DOWN BY PO DIABLO, WE HAVE, UM, SOME ON GOLDEN EAGLE.

THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, BUT FOREST LAND.

SO IF, IF AN OWNER WANTED TO SET UP A HABITAT, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS OFTEN LOOKED ON AS HELPFUL IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE ANIMALS DON'T GO INTO OTHER UNWANTED AREAS, THAT THERE ARE PLACES THAT ARE FRIENDLY AND PROTECTIVE OF THEM.

SO, BUT THIS WOULD PROHIBIT EVEN PEOPLE WITH LARGE TRACTS OF LAND IN AND ABUTTING AREAS WHERE THE ANIMALS NATURALLY ROAM.

UM, THIS WOULD PROHIBIT THAT.

CORRECT? YES.

WITHIN THE CITY JURISDICTIONS YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, UH, FEED OR TRACK THE WILDLIFE AS DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG OF A PARCEL OR SMALL OF A PARCEL, IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE CITY JURISDICTION.

BUT IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, WE ONLY DO CODE ENFORCEMENT ON A COMPLAINT BASIS.

WE'RE NOT OUT THERE TRYING TO FIND VIOLATIONS OF ANY OF OUR CODES.

SO IF, IF THERE WAS A LARGE ENOUGH SWATH OF LAND, THERE WERE NO NEIGHBORS THAT WERE NEARBY AND NO ONE TOOK COMPLAIN THAT THERE WERE ANY PROBLEMS BEING CREATED, THE LIKELIHOOD OF US EVER GOING AND ENFORCING THIS ORDINANCE ARE SLIM TO NONE.

YES, THAT'S ACCURATE.

AND COUNSEL, IF I COULD ADD THAT KEEPING OF WILD ANIMALS HAS, WHICH YOUR DEFINITION OF SETTING UP A, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER COUNSELOR KNOW WHAT YOU SAID, BUT, UH, KEEPING OF WILD ANIMALS HAS ALREADY A HABITAT KEEPING OF WILD ANIMALS HAS ALREADY BEEN PROHIBITED IN THE CODE.

UH, AND SO THAT COULD HAVE KIND OF ENCROACHED INTO THAT AS WELL IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SET UP A PLACE FOR THEM TO, TO LIVE.

THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS THAT THERE'S ALREADY AN ORDINANCE ABOUT, UM, FEEDING ON AN ONGOING BASIS.

I THINK IT'S THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS OR SOMETHING.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ORDINANCE OF SOME SORT.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WHEN HUMANS AND ANIMALS INTERACT, IT'S THE ANIMALS THAT SUFFER USUALLY, UM, IN THINGS LIKE THIS.

SO THIS IS FOR THE PROTECTION OF PEOPLE AND THE ANIMALS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE REMOVED OR DISPENSED WITH.

UM, BUT I, BUT I DON'T KNOW, IS THIS THE LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE WAS, ISN'T THAT SUFFICIENT? CAUSE ALMOST STARTED WITH A PROBLEM UP IN UPTOWN WHERE PEOPLE WERE, THERE WERE I THINK TWO INSTANCES OF PEOPLE THAT WERE CONTINUALLY FEEDING A PACK OF HALINA AND HALINA THEN GOT USED TO THAT AND AGGRESSIVE.

BUT WE HAD SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS THAT HADN'T BEEN ENFORCED THAT WOULD'VE MAYBE DEALT WITH THE PROBLEM.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS NOT THE BAZOOKA FOR THE FLY.

HAHA, NO PUN INTENDED ABOUT ANIMAL CRUELTY HERE, .

BUT I'M WONDERING IF YOU KNOW WHY THAT WASN'T SUFFICIENT AND WHY THIS IS, YOU FEEL THIS IS THE RIGHT LANGUAGE AND SUFFICIENT AS OPPOSED TO TWEAKING SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE DEALT WITH THE PROBLEM? YEAH, SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE CONSIDERED, UH, REVAMPING THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, UH, WHICH PROHIBITS, UM, HARBORING ANIMALS.

UH, AND AN ANIMAL WAS DEFINED AS ANY NON-HUMAN SPECIES OF ANIMAL, BOTH DOMESTIC AND WILD.

AND IT WAS, IF YOU HARBORED IF YOU FED OR SHELTERED IT FOR MORE THAN FOUR DAYS.

ANYWAY, IT WAS AN ORDINANCE THAT AS FAR AS WE COULD TELL, WAS NEVER ACTUALLY EVER ABLE TO BE UTILIZED, UM, TO PROHIBIT FEEDING WILD ANIMALS.

UM, AND IT WAS TWO BROAD, UH, BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL BECAUSE IT INCLUDED EVERY NON SPECIES, NON-HUMAN, SPECIES OF ANIMAL, UM, BOTH DOMESTIC AND WILD.

AND SO IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO FIT THE NEEDS IN THIS CASE OF PRIMARILY PREVENTING HALINA, UM MM-HMM AND THOSE TYPES OF INTERACTIONS, NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS WITH HUMANS IN UPTOWN.

ARE WE, WHY ARE WE GOING SO FAR WITH THIS? I'M WONDERING, I'M GONNA DEFER TO TIM FOR HIS PRESENTATION FROM FEBRUARY.

AND THIS IS PROBABLY MY LAST QUESTION FOR NOW.

RESERVING THE RIGHT TO COME BACK, UM, BUT SINCE IT WAS HALINA THAT WE WERE HAVING THE ISSUE WITH, WHY IS THIS GOING BEYOND HALINA AND TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, I COULD CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND BEAR, WE DON'T WANNA TRACK THAT, BUT WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DEER AND ELK, WHICH I, I'M NOT AWARE OF THERE BEING ANY INTERACTIONS THAT HAVE RESULTED IN ANY INJURY OR ANYTHING.

SO WHY

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UH, UH, YEAH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA REFER, UM, MAYOR, COUNSELOR.

I'M GONNA REFER BACK TO THAT PRESENTATION THAT I GAVE IN FEBRUARY.

AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE NEGATIVE INTERACTION WITH HUMANS.

IT'S A PRIMARY THING, BUT FEEDING ANIMALS FOOD THAT IS NOT FORMULATED FOR WILD ANIMALS IS NOT HEALTHY FOR THE ANIMALS THEMSELVES.

AND ALSO I ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE FEEDING ANIMALS, YOU'RE CROWDING ANIMALS, IT, IT HELPS PERPETUATE ZOONOTIC DISEASES.

UM, I TALKED ABOUT COVID, IT'S REAL SIMILAR TO COVID, RIGHT? THE CLOSER YOU ARE TO SOMETHING, THE CLOSER THE ANIMALS ARE TOGETHER, THE MORE LIKELY THEY ARE TO SPREAD THE DISEASE.

SO THERE'S MORE THAN JUST HUMAN HEALTH SAFETY HERE.

THERE'S ALSO ANIMAL HEALTH, UM, CONCERNS.

AND, UM, IN REGARDS TO DEER AND ELK, YOUR TIME IS COMING.

I ALMOST GUARANTEED BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE ACROSS THE STATE.

YOU DONE FOR NOW.

OKAY, THANKS.

I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT.

BRIAN, UH, COUNSEL MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE TWO BITES, UH, OF HUMANS, BUT THERE'S BEEN MORE SINCE THEN.

BACK IN IN RIGHT THERE WAS JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, THERE WERE TWO BITES IN UPTOWN AND THEN WE'VE HAD SOME PIN PINION LOFTS IN THAT AREA.

I, I DID A SEARCH THROUGH, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S SPILLMAN SYSTEM HAD HEIDI BROUGHT A SEARCH AND I HAVEN'T FOUND ANY BITES REPORTED TO SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT OR CODE ENFORCEMENT THIS YEAR.

BUT, UH, PEOPLE REPORT 'EM TO GAME AND FISH RATHER THAN US.

TIM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NEW STATS SINCE YOUR LAST APPEARANCE? MR. ME SINCE IS THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, LAST TIME I GAVE THAT PRESENTATION, WE HAD ONE ADDITIONAL BITE ON PINON NARO.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAD HEARD.

WAS THAT SEVERE? IT'S SIMILAR.

WAS IT SUMMARY FEEDING THAT AS WELL? UM, THE, THE VICTIM STATED THEY WERE THROWING BIRD SEAT ON THE GROUND.

THAT'S THE ONLY, ONLY QUESTION.

UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR ANY QUESTIONS TO ASK? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU COUNCIL PETE, NO QUESTIONS.

THIS, UH, COUNCIL BRIAN, MY QUESTION IS JUST THE ENFORCEABILITY, LIKE ON WATER.

I KNOW COUNSELOR KINSELLA ASKED MUCH ABOUT THIS, SO JUST PLAY OUT A SCENARIO FOR ME.

SO I'VE GOT THIS ANTIQUATED OLD LITTLE BIRD BATH THING, RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT YAY HIGH.

AND SO I KEEP WATER IN THAT FOR THE BIRDS, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY AT A HEIGHT THAT HALINA CAN GET INTO IT.

AND SO NOW MY NEIGHBOR'S MAD AT ME AND CALLS CODE ENFORCEMENT.

WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT WRITING OF THIS ORDINANCE? HOW WILL YOU HANDLE THAT COMPLAINT? I'M GONNA CALL MY NEW BEST FRIEND .

UM, I CAN, I CAN DEFINITELY PAINT SOME, SOME, SOME EXAMPLES FOR THAT.

WE HAVE YET, I, WHEN I DID THE SEARCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION ON FEBRUARY 14TH, I BELIEVE I EXPLAINED THIS, UM, WE HAVE NEVER, EVEN IN THE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING THE STATEWIDE ORDINANCE THAT APPLIES TO THE THREE COUNTIES THAT ARE OVER 280,000.

WE HAVE NEVER WRITTEN A CITATION FOR A WATER FEATURE.

UM, WE DON'T INTEND TO.

UM, I'LL GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE FROM SEDONA.

BACK IN JANUARY BEFORE I GAVE THIS PRESENTATION, WE DID GET A CALL ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT HAD DOG FOOD BOWLS WITH A HOSE, UM, LEAVING HIS PROPERTY ONTO CITY PROPERTY NEAR POSSE GROUNDS PARK.

THAT'S INTENTIONAL PLACING OF A WATER SOURCE FOR WILDLIFE.

I WENT AND KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND TALKED TO HIM AND HE SAID HE WAS GONNA REMOVE THEM AGAIN.

WE GET 95% COMPLIANCE ON THE FIRST INITIAL CONTACT.

UM, SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WATER FEATURE AND AN INTENTIONAL PLACEMENT OF A BULL ON CI.

THIS, IN THIS CASE IT WAS ON CITY PROPERTY.

, IT WASN'T EVEN ON HIS OWN PROPERTY AND IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE IN THE, TO BEGIN WITH CUZ IT WASN'T HIS PROPERTY, BUT IT ALSO WASN'T APPROPRIATE TO DRAW WILDLIFE AND IT WAS PRIMARILY HEAVILY TRACKS ALL AROUND IT INTO THAT, UM, CITY PROPERTY THERE BY POSSE GROUND.

SO IS THE ORDINANCE WRITTEN SUFFICIENTLY CLEARLY SO THAT IT'S ENFORCEABLE WHEN THE DAY IS DONE? I I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD COME IN DISCRETIONARY TRAINING.

OF THE PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT ARE ENFORCING IT.

BUT THAT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR ALL THINGS.

SO I'LL RESPOND TO THAT.

UM, SO PART OF LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING IS THAT WE DO TRY TO GET COMPLIANCE FIRST THROUGH CONVERSATION AND A WARNING AND WHICH IS ALSO PARTLY WHY IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT'S THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS THAT REALLY WOULDN'T SERVICE AS AS WELL OR FOUR DAYS BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE A ROTATIONAL OF PEOPLE AND YOU MIGHT ON THE FIRST DAY WANT TO GO GIVE A WARNING AND THEY WAIT A COUPLE DAYS AND THEN IT'S MUCH HARDER TO PROVE THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS VERSUS GOING OUT THERE AND DOCUMENTING YOUR CONTACTS WITH AN INDIVIDUAL AND GOING THROUGH A SYSTEM OF WARNING AND OTHER THINGS TO THEN GET TO THE POINT OF ENFORCEMENT.

AND OUR GOAL PRIMARILY IS ALWAYS EDUCATION AND WARNING,

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AND SOMETIMES, UM, THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION OF A CITATION OR SOMETHING ELSE WILL BE WHAT IS ISSUED.

BUT WE TRY FIRST TO GET COMPLIANCE, WHICH WOULD ALSO GO TO THE POINT OF THE DEFINITION OF RECKLESS.

ONCE YOU BECOME AWARE OF SOMETHING BY CONTINUING IT, YOU ARE INTENTIONALLY RECKLESSLY ENGAGING IN A BEHAVIOR THAT, UM, PROBABLY NEEDS US TO STEP UP OUR ENFORCEMENT AND, AND LEVEL OF EDUCATION.

SO, UM, TO WHAT TIM WAS SAYING, WE WOULD FIRST TRY AND, AND WARN AND BRING THAT EDUCATION.

WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THERE.

UM, AND THAT'S ALL LIKE ANYTHING THAT WE DO, UM, TO PROVIDE SAFETY TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU CHIEF OF STEPPING IN.

I APPRECIATE MAY THANK YOU MAYOR.

THAT'S OKAY.

UM, MAYBE TO HELP ANSWER THE ENFORCEMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE ENFORCEMENT SECTION OF IT IS, UH, THAT'S, THIS CODE WAS, UH, MODELED AFTER, UH, PRESCOTT CITY OF PRESCOTT, FLAGSTAFF, AND HEWLETT COUNTY, UH, CODES.

AND SO WE BUILT IN THERE ON THE, UNDER THE PENALTY SECTION ON THE FIRST VIOLATION.

IT'S A WARNING AND IT'S AN EDUCATION AND GAME.

AND FISH HAS SOME EXCELLENT EDUCATION MATERIALS.

AND WE HAVE, UH, TWO ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS OR, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS.

THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST RESPONSE TO THESE IF GAME AND FISH ISN'T AVAILABLE.

BUT OUR ACOS WOULD GO OUT THERE AND THEY WOULD PROVIDE EDUCATION MATERIAL TO THE PEOPLE AS EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS TO WHY THIS IS NOT HEALTHY FOR THE ANIMALS AND THE PEOPLE AS WELL.

SO WARNINGS AND EDUCATION IS THE, IN PRIMARY INTENT IS THE MAIN INTENT.

THE ENFORCEMENT COMES WHEN SOMEBODY BLATANTLY STARTS VIOLATING THAT AND, AND CAUSING ISSUES.

THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE WITH BUILDING YOUR WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION AFTER THAT.

UH, CASTLE JOHN, VICE SMEAR.

I THOUGHT YOUR HEADS UP.

MAYOR, YOUR, I'M GONNA COME BACK CUZ UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAD DID HAVE A, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

I DID.

THAT WAS PARTIALLY ANSWERED.

BRIAN, THANK YOU.

IN TERMS OF, MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT WHO IS FIRST RESPONDER ON ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.

IF SOMEBODY CALLS IN, IS IT YOUR OFFICE? IS IT THE POLICE? IS IT GAME AND FISH? YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

WHO, WHO ARE THE RESPONDERS? BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT, I, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE UP ON INTENT AND WHO'S GONNA BE UP ON THE LEVEL AND THEN SENDING FROM YOUR ANSWER TO THAT.

I'M GONNA HAVE A A, A SECOND QUESTION THAT LEADS FROM IT.

SO, UM, JUST TO CLEARLY COMMUNICATE THIS, CODE ENFORCEMENT NOW LIVES WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AH, SO, SO IT'S A TWO FOR ONE.

SO IT'S A TWOFOLD.

SO, UM, IN GOING FORWARD, IT'S GONNA BE WHO'S MOST AVAILABLE? GAMMON FISH DOES IS NOT TYPICALLY IN TOWN.

SO IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN HANDLE AT A LOWER LEVEL, THEN WE'RE GONNA ATTEMPT TO DO THAT FIRST.

PRIMARILY IF A COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICER IS ON MM-HMM.

, WE WOULD RATHER GO THAT ROUTE BECAUSE THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE TYPE OF PERFORMANCE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY GIVE.

IF THEY'RE NOT, WE WOULD LOOK THEN TO SEE IF SOMEBODY FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT AND OR AN OFFICER WOULD GO OUT TO THAT CALL TO HANDLE.

REGARDLESS, EVERYBODY NOW IS BEING TRAINED TO USE THE SAME SPILLMAN SYSTEM OF OUR RECORD DATABASE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP ACCURATE RECORDS ACROSS BOARDS AND KNOW WHO WENT OUT AT WHAT TIME AND, AND KEEP TRACK OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EDUCATION WARNING ENFORCEMENT.

THAT'S HELPFUL INFORMATION.

SO THE QUESTION THEN THAT I WANNA FOLLOW UP THAT WITH, WITH, OH BOY, THAT WAS A GRAMMATICAL ERROR .

UM, THE QUESTION IS, THIS IS A CITY ORDINANCE AND PERTAINING TO WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND, AND CODE ENFORCEMENT NOW UNDER POLICE, BUT WE, THE, THIS DRAFT GOES OUT OF ITS WAY TO ALSO MENTION ARIZONA GAME AND FISH OFFICER.

DO YOU NEED THAT IN HERE? BECAUSE WHEN THE HALINA SITUATION CAME UP, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IN OUR DISCUSSION OF THAT, THAT GAME AND FISH CAME IN BECAUSE THE STATE SUPERSEDED THE CITY AND THAT, SO DO YOU NEED THIS FURTHER EMPOWERMENT IN HERE? DOES THAT NEED TO BE ENUMERATED AMONG THE ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES? BECAUSE IF NOT, IT'S MIXING CITY AND STATE.

I THINK WE SHOULD SHOULD LOOK AT THAT IN HERE.

SO THE ANSWER IS YES, WE DID WANT TO COMBINE SO THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HANDLE WITHIN OUR CITY, UM, ISSUES THAT ARE OUR CODE, UM, ORDINANCE.

BUT IF AN ISSUE GOT TOO BIG FOR US TO HANDLE AS FAR AS WE HAVE A HERD THAT'S BECOME UNRULY BASED ON BEHAVIOR, THEN WE HAVE OUR PARTNERSHIPS STILL IN LINE TO COME IN.

BUT THAT WE CAN HANDLE A LOT OF THE, THE ISSUES AT THIS LOWER LEVEL, UM, AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT OF ANY VIOLATION.

SO WE DO WANT TO, BUT THAT PARTNERSHIP WOULD EXIST IF I UNDERSTOOD THE FIRST PRESENTATION CORRECTLY WITHOUT GAME FISH BEING NAMED IN HERE.

IS IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

I THINK THE CRITICAL COMPONENT IN THAT, IN THAT PARTICULAR PIECE IS JUST NAMING ANY PEACE OFFICER.

UM, IF YOU DON'T LIKE ARIZONA GAME

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OF FISH DEPARTMENT NAMED SPECIFICALLY ANY PEACE OFFICER WOULD COVER THAT.

UM, WE WERE ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY THERE WAS, THERE WAS A CASE IN OUT OF THE FLAGSTAFF CITY ORDINANCE WHERE THAT WAS CHALLENGED, UM, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS STATE PEACE OFFICERS TO ENFORCE THE CITY ORDINANCE.

THAT CHALLENGE WAS NOT, WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL, BUT, UM, BUT AS ANY PEACE OFFICER I THINK IS ALREADY IN THAT MM-HMM.

TO DOUBLE CHECK, I THINK IT'S ALREADY IN THERE.

BUT THAT WOULD COVER, UM, EVEN IF, EVEN IF YOU OUT BY COUNTY NEEDED TO COME IN AND HELP FOR WHATEVER REASON.

THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

ARE YOU, YOU GOOD COUNCIL ELLA? YES.

ARE YOU DONE? THANK YOU, PETE.

I, I THINK I HAVE JUST THIS ONE QUESTION IN CHIEF.

YOU STARTED ME DOWN THE PATH OF ANSWERING IT AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

YOU MENTIONED THE SPELMAN SYSTEM, IF I CAN SPELLMAN IF I, IF I GOT THAT CORRECT.

SO AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL THE WARNINGS AND ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS WOULD BE IN THIS ONE DATABASE? WOULD THAT EVEN INCLUDE GAME AND FISH WARNINGS GIVEN OUT? NO.

UM, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD RELY ON INFORMATION BEING SHARED TO US OF, OF ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE TAKING IN AND OR THEY WOULD FORWARD TO US TO CREATE A CALL WITHIN OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE COULD GO OUT AND CHECK IT.

UM, IF PEOPLE ARE USED TO CONTACTING GAME AND FISH WITH A COMPLAINT, THEY COULD EITHER FORWARD THAT TO US THROUGH DIFFERENT PATHWAYS OF A PHONE CALL OR EMAIL AND THEN WE COULD CREATE A CALL IN OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO RETAIN ALL INFORMATION.

SO WHERE I'M HEADED HERE IS THAT IF IN A YEAR OR SAY WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PLAYED OUT OVER THE FIRST YEAR, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY ACCESS ALL OF THE CITY WARNINGS AND ACTIONS.

TIM, WOULD IT BE AS EASY AS SOMEBODY CONTACTING YOU AND PULLING DATA FROM YOUR DATABASE AS WELL SO WE COULD GET A CONSOLIDATED NUMBER OF, OF ACTIONS TAKEN? YES, MAYOR, UH, MAYOR AND COUNSELOR, UM, WE ACTUALLY USE SPILLMAN TOO.

IT'S A VERY COMMON PROGRAM AMONGST LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

THE DATA THAT I PRESENTED ON FEBRUARY 14TH CAME FROM SPILLMAN WHERE I WAS ABLE TO ANALYZE THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTIONS IN SEDONA.

AND IT WAS AROUND A HUNDRED PER ANNUALLY AND THEN ONLY ONE TO TWO CALLS PER YEAR.

THAT ALL CAME FROM OUR SPILLMAN DATABASE.

SO, UM, UM, OUR QUERY FOR, FROM US IN A YEAR'S TIME TO MEASURE THE RESULTS OF THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BE VERY EASY.

AND CITY MANAGER, IF COUNSEL DID MAKE A REQUEST IN A YEAR FROM NOW TO CONSULT IT IS ANYTHING THAT I'VE MISSED, WE'D BE ABLE TO GATHER ALL THIS DATA IN YOUR OPINION.

WONDERFUL.

I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION AND WE'LL GO TO COUNSEL, UH, WILLIAMSON, I REMEMBER FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION, UH, TIM, THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL IN TRACKING SOME OF THE FAMILIES AND YOU KNEW WHERE A LOT OF THE FAMILIES WERE AND WHERE THE ISSUES AND WHERE PROBLEM, WHAT AREAS WERE PROBLEMATIC IN THE CITY.

UH, WOULDN'T THAT INFORMATION, CAN IT BE SHARED WITH THE POLICE CHIEF OR SEDONA PD? UH, MR. MERRI WE'RE NOT QUITE THAT GOOD.

WILDLIFE, WILDLIFE AND WILDLIFE SCIENCE IS, IS NOT, NOT, WE USUALLY DON'T GET REALLY GOOD AT IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC HERDS THAT ARE PROBLEMS UNTIL THEY BECOME A PROBLEM.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE, THEN WE SPEND MORE TIME MONITORING IT AND WE'RE ABLE TO TELL, TELL FROM PEOPLE'S RING CAMERAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THE MAKEUP OF THE HERD, DOES IT HAVE ANY, DOES IT HAVE ANY YOUNG WITHIN THE HERD AND SETTING OUT MAYBE OUR OWN TRAIL CAMERAS LIKE WE DID IN THE OPERATION IN UPTOWN.

UM, BUT YEAH, GENERALLY WE, UM, IT'S THROUGH THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS IN A SPECIFIC AREA AND THE BEHAVIOR OF THE ANIMALS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TRACK WHERE THE PROBLEM HERDS ARE.

SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU TODAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUR PROBLEMS. NO, NO.

I, I, I STAND CORRECTED.

I YOU, YOU, YOU DID CLARIFY WHAT I WAS ASKING, SO, OKAY.

BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS FOR THAT INFORMATION, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, OVERALL SHARE WITH SEDONA PD? LIKE YOU, YOU DID WORK IN THE, IN THE CITY, YOU SPENT A COUPLE DAYS, YOU WERE TRACKING THE FAMILY THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.

WOULD IT BE SHARED AT ALL OR JUST IF WE ASKED YOU, WE YOU COULD SHARE IT WITH US IF OR PUBLIC, IF THEY WERE TO ASK.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING GENERALLY SHARED.

NO, MR. BEAR, WE, THAT'S DEFINITELY, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN SHARE WITH ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION, BUT IT AS OF COURSE, THE POLICY, YOU WOULDN'T JUST SAY, WELL, FOR THE PAST THREE DAYS, UH, CHIEF FOLEY, WE'VE BEEN IN YOUR, IN THE AREA, AND THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND ON THIS.

UM, PARTICULARLY ON THIS LAST INCIDENT, ON A RODEO OPINION, WE COORDINATED CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

PERFECT.

AND, UM, THAT WE CONTINUE, UM, WE PLAN TO CONTINUE THAT.

UM, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT WORKS A LOT BETTER.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

ALTHOUGH OUR HOSPITAL TYPICALLY WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS WILL CALL US AS, AS THE FIRST PERSON.

COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, I THINK YOU SAID THAT THE HOSPITAL, WHEN PEOPLE GET BIT, THEY GO TO THE HOSPITAL, THE HOSPITAL USUALLY CALLS YOU, NOTIFIES YOU.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW? UM, DO YOU AUTOMATICALLY TELL WHEN WE'VE HAD A BITE LOCALLY OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT JUST WOULD LIVE IN YOUR DATA PACE UNTIL WE ASK FOR A YEARLY REVIEW? ARE YOU ASKING ME? I, WELL, I GET, I AM ASKING YOU IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR YOU TO KNOW, OR IF YOU'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH HIM, JUST KNOWING THAT, UM, I THINK THAT'S USEFUL INFORMATION ACROSS THE BOARD.

IF FOR SOME REASON OUR HOSPITAL CALLED AND INFORMED HIM,

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BUT IF SOMEBODY WENT TO FLAGSTAFF MEDICAL OR VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL, THEN THEY MIGHT NOT CONTACT SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEY COULD CONTACT COTTONWOOD OR, UM, THEY MIGHT CALL GAME AND FISH.

AND THEN YES, WE WOULD NEED THEM TO GIVE IT TO US TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT HAPPENED IN OUR CITY LIMITS.

SO, AND I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE THOSE THINGS TO BE REPORTED, JUST IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL BITES OR INCIDENTS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS SO THAT WE HAVE AN UP TO DATE LISTING OF THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK LAST TIME YOU SAID THAT THE HOSPITAL ALMOST ALWAYS CALLS YOU AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN, IF THEY DO TOO OR WHAT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT THEY NEED.

NOT ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE WORLD, BUT JUST WHAT THEY NEED.

I I I DID, I DID.

UH, IT'S A VERY GOOD MEMORY.

I DID, UM, REPORT ON THAT.

WE GENERALLY DO HEAR FROM THE EMERGENCY ROOMS, UH, EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS.

UM, AND I THINK THAT'S THROUGH THE HUMAN HEALTH AND SAFETY THING.

UM, LIKE THEY REPORT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES IF THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL FOR RABIES EXPOSURE.

UM, THEY GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES, BUT THEY ALSO GIVE A CURY CALL TO US BECAUSE IT'S WILDLIFE RELATED.

AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE PROBABLY NEED TO INITIATE A, A CURY CALL TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH I HAVE NO PROBLEM.

WE HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.

JUST LET 'EM KNOW THAT, THAT THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER BITE.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS THAT.

ARE WE DONE WITH THE QUESTIONS? BECAUSE I WANNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND JIM CAP.

HI, JIM CAPLES SEDONA.

UM, I SPENT THE, THE LAST 50 YEARS OF MY LIFE ENGAGED IN LETHALITY OF MUNITIONS, PARTICULARLY NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

I STILL DO IT PART-TIME.

I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH KILLING PEOPLE, BUT I DRAW THE LINE AT WILDLIFE, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DESERVE TO BE DEAD, BUT NOT TOO MUCH WILDLIFE.

I'VE HAD SEVERAL INSTANCES, UH, MY NEIGHBORHOOD WALKING MY LITTLE DOG AND, UH, BEING FOLLOWED BY SOLITARY COYOTES, SOMETIMES EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.

, IT'S OBVIOUS.

SOMEBODY'S FEEDING THESE CRITTERS AND THEY'RE ACCUSTOMED TO PEOPLE AND HE'S LOOKING AT ME AS A SOURCE OF FOOD AND I'M THERE WITH MY LITTLE DOG.

AND IF I COME HOME WITHOUT THE DOG, MY WIFE WILL KILL ME TOO.

SO, UH, I WOULD ASK THAT ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM FEEDING, IN PARTICULAR THE COYOTES WE'RE PUTTING OUT AND MEAT OR DOG FOOD PRODUCTS, WE HAVE A FEW NEIGHBORS DOING IT.

I'VE TALKED TO ONE OF THEM AND, UH, TO NO AVAIL.

I THINK SOMETHING WOULD BE, WOULD BE USEFUL.

UH, I DON'T LIKE COYOTES, BUT I DON'T WANT TO KILL 'EM IF I DON'T HAVE TO.

AND I'M A BAD SHOT CUZ I'M OVER 70 AND I MIGHT SHOOT MYSELF.

SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAYBE PRECLUDE THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE.

BE A VIOLATION TO ATTRACT WILDLIFE.

THANK YOU JIM.

JEN FARNWORTH.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH.

MY NAME IS JEN FARNSWORTH AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

UM, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF.

I ALSO WANNA THANK, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO READ MY EMAIL WHERE I REQUESTED YOUR CONSIDERATION TO POSTPONE A DECISION TODAY ON THE WILDLIFE ORDINANCE UNTIL YOU MAKE SOME FURTHER REFINEMENTS.

THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL AREAS OF CONCERN I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER.

FIRST, THE LANGUAGE IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS VERY CONCERNING AND A TROUBLING EXAMPLE OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH REGARDING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

IF WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE THE CITY ASSERTS THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL PROPERTY OWNERS HOW AND WHERE WE CAN PLACE WATER BUCKETS AT OUR HOME OR HOW WE ARE ALLOWED TO CREATE WILDLIFE FRIENDLY NATIVE PLANTINGS, SOMETHING HAS GONE SERIOUSLY WRONG.

THIS IS NOT ONLY UNENFORCEABLE AND CERTAINLY IF CHALLENGED WOULD NEVER HOLD UP IN COURT, IT DEMONSTRATES THAT WE'VE LOST SIGHT OF THE REAL PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT WATER OR WILDLIFE FRIENDLY HABITATS.

THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE WHO ARE PROVIDING HUMAN FEED OR HAND FEEDING WILDLIFE.

AND THIS IS WHAT CHANGES BEHAVIOR, NOT WATER.

FURTHERMORE, THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC OR OTHER EVIDENCE PROVIDE THAT PROVIDING WATER SHADE OR PLANTINGS ARE HARMFUL TO WILDLIFE.

IN FACT, THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

I FOLLOW, I FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF ONE OF THIS NATION'S MOST ESTEEMED ORGANIZATIONS AT THE FOREFRONT OF WILDLIFE BEST PRACTICES, THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION.

I AM CONSIDERED A WILDLIFE HERO FOR FOLLOWING THEIR SCIENTIFICALLY DOCUMENTED BEST PRACTICES FOR SUCCESSFUL HUMAN WILDLIFE COEXISTENCE, INCLUDING WATER SHADE AND NATIVE PLANTS.

YET A HERO IN THE EYES OF WILDLIFE EXPERTS IS A CONCERN FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT EMBRACED OR UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF SUCCESSFUL CO-EXISTENCE.

AND FOR COUNTLESS RESIDENTS FOLLOWING THE BEST PRACTICES, THIS POORLY WRITTEN OR ORDINANCE WOULD PLACE US ALL IN VIOLATION AND IN JEOPARDY OF FINES.

SECONDLY, THE ORDINANCE ALSO STATES THAT IT WOULD

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THAT LANGUAGE IS VAGUE AND SUBJECTIVE.

NO ONE IS ATTRACTING WILDLIFE.

WILDLIFE IS HERE AND IT IS NOT LEAVING.

WILDLIFE HAS MOVED INTO CITIES AND TOWNS BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD TO TO SURVIVE.

IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE EARTH.

COUNTLESS SPECIES ARE IN JEOPARDY BECAUSE OF US.

AND ALL SPECIES SUFFER FROM SEVERE HABITAT LOSS, HUMAN ENCROACHMENT INTO WILD AIR AREAS AND PREDATORS, ESPECIALLY HUNTERS PUNITIVE MEASURES THAT DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE REALITY OF THE LIFE AROUND US.

AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS IS NOT ONLY ONE UNWISE, BUT WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL.

WHILE I KNOW THE CITY HAS CONSULTED WITH HUNTING ADVOCACY ORGANIZATIONS ON PROPOSED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE FOR PROPER VAL BALANCE, I ASK THAT THE CITY CONSULT WITH WILDLIFE CONSERVATION EXPERTS AT THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY CONCERNS AND I WILL END WITH THE WORDS OF RALPH WALDO EMERSON TO KNOW EVEN ONE LIFE HAS BREATHED EASIER BECAUSE YOU HAVE LIVED THIS IS TO HAVE SUCCEEDED.

OH, YOU PRACTICED THAT ONE, DIDN'T YOU? ? HE DID.

I HAVE.

UH, JOHN MARTINEZ.

IS HE STILL HERE? OH, THERE HE IS.

DO ME A FAVOR.

DID YOU SEE SCOTT? YEAH.

UM, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

UH, VICE MAYOR.

COUNSEL.

MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINEZ.

UH, I GUESS GOING ON ON WHAT, UH, CONS COSTELLO WAS SAYING, I KIND OF FEEL THIS IS LIKE TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER.

TRYING TO HIT A FLY WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

I GET MY QUESTION IS, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ANSWER THIS.

HOW MANY BITES HAVE THE OCCURRED IN THE CITY LIMITS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS? I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN.

TIM WILL ASK THE QUESTIONS, BUT I I, WE, AS OF THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE TOLD THREE IN THE LAST YEAR, LESS THAN A YEAR.

I THINK CAUSE PEOPLE WERE PURPOSEFULLY WERE TRYING TO FEED THE ANIMALS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.

WHAT I THINK IS STUPID TO BEGIN WITH.

BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION THAT I'VE GOT IS THAT, UH, WHEN I READ THE, THE, THE BILL, WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED, WE WANTED BIRD FEEDERS TO BE FOUR FEET OR HIGHER.

I'VE GOT MY BIRD FEEDERS HANGING FROM THE TREE THAT ARE LIKE 10 FEET.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE GOT BIRD FEEDERS AT THEIR HOMES COUNCIL? OH, I DO.

WHEN THE BIRDS COME AND, AND, UH, GET TO THE BIRD FEEDERS, THEY'RE KNOCKING THE SEEDS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND I, AND I KNOW SEVERAL OF THE COUNSELORS HAVE COME TO MY HOME AND IT'S WHY IT OPENED.

THERE ARE NO FENCES AND I SEE HAVE ALITOS ALL COMING DOWN.

CAUSE THE BIRDS KNOCKED THE, THE SEEDS OUT OF THE BIRD FEEDERS.

SO I GOT MY, THE QUESTION I'VE GOT IS THAT, AM I IN VIOLATION? MM-HMM.

, I MEAN, I WAS 10 FEET HIGHER, THOSE BIRD FEEDERS, BUT THEY ALL COME DOWN.

AND NOW I'VE GOT BIRDS.

THAT ONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IT HASN'T HAPPENED RECENTLY, IS I HAD 17 HAVE ALINA'S AT MY HOME BECAUSE THIS, IT'S AN OPEN AREA AND WE'RE NEXT TO A ROYAL PINON.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING THERE, BUT AM I GONNA BE CITED BECAUSE I, MIKE BIRD FEEDERS ARE 10 FEET HIGH AND THE WATER FEATURES THAT I'VE GOT, UH, THOSE DAMN HAVE ALINA'S AND KNOCKING 'EM OUT, KNOCKING 'EM OVER ALL THE TIME.

AND THEY'RE SITTING THIS HIGH.

THE DEERS LOVE IT.

BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED AS, AS WELL SAID BEFORE, A WE TRIED TO KILL A FLY WITH THE SLEDGEHAMMER.

SO I WOULD REALLY THINK, COULD WE REALLY LOOK AT THIS? UH, THOSE WHO HAVE GOT, UH, BIRD FEEDERS, THEY'RE KNOCKING THEM DOWN AND THAT'S WHERE THE LINAS COMES.

CUZ THERE ARE NO FENCES.

AND I'D HATE TO HAVE THE NEIGHBORS.

I HATE TO LIVE IN A CITY WHERE NEIGHBORS ARE RATTLING OR RATTING YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.

AND YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO BE FRIENDLY BECAUSE I KNOW, AND I'M SURE YOU DO, SUMMER TIME IS REALLY DIFFERENT THAN WINTERTIME.

THE BIRDS, I HAVE TO FILL THOSE THINGS LIKE TWO OR THREE DAYS.

ONCE THEY'RE UP THERE IN THE WINTERTIME, THEY'LL LAST A WEEK IN THE SUMMERTIME.

CAUSE ALL THE BERRIES ARE AVAILABLE.

SO PLEASE REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT.

I THINK COUNCIL CASTELLO HAS REALLY GOT SOMETHING.

WE TRIED TO KILL A FLY WITH THE SLEDGEHAMMER.

THERE YOU GO.

VERY GOOD.

SEE, IT'S OKAY TO CLAP.

WHAT WE'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT.

UH, THANK YOU, UH, JOHN, I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, I, I HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

UH, IT WAS SAID BY, UH, MS. FARNSWORTH ABOUT IT NOT BEING, THE ORDINANCE IS NOT DEF FORCEABLE.

CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT PLEASE? EITHER ONE OF YOU, TIM OR, OR BRIAN.

UM, ON THE ENFORCEABILITY PART OF IT, I, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT, MR. MAYOR.

UM, IT FROM, AGAIN, FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING FLAGSTAFF CURRENTLY, UM, IT IS ENFORCEABLE.

UM, WE USE A HIGH LEVEL OF DISCRETION, UM, IN REGARDS TO

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YOU KNOW, WITH, IF IT'S A WATER, UH, NAT, UH, A PURPOSELY PLACED WATER FEATURE FOR WILDLIFE, WHAT WILDLIFE IS COMING TO IT.

UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL ON PROSECUTION, UM, IN THOSE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING, UM, DOWN IN THE VALLEY, THE COUNTIES THAT ARE GREATER THAN 280,000.

AND ALSO IN FLAGSTAFF, IN PRESCOTT, IN, IN FACT IN PRESCOTT.

I, I TALKED TO, UH, MY COHORT IN, IN PRESCOTT, THIS ORDINANCE BEEN IN PLACE, I THINK FOR ALMOST A DECADE IN PRESCOTT'S, REAL SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S PROPOSED HERE.

THEY HAVE, RIGHT.

THEY HAVE YET TO WRITE A ACTUAL CITATION ON IT.

THE RE IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENFORCEMENT, IT'S BECAUSE EVERYBODY COMPLIES AFTER THE FIRST CONTACT.

UH, SO THEY GOT ABOUT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE ON THE CALLS THAT THEY'VE GOT.

JUST ON THE WRITTEN WARNING.

UM, IN FLAGSTAFF, I THINK WE'RE UNDER THREE.

CITI, I THINK IT'S THREE, UH, ACTUALLY WE'RE 17 CITATIONS IN FLAGSTAFF.

THOSE WERE ALL TO ONE INDIVIDUAL.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER CITATIONS IN FLAGSTAFF.

THAT ORDINANCE WENT INTO EFFECT IN 2013.

UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

17 TO ONE INDIVIDUAL, ZERO ON ANYBODY ELSE.

THOSE OTHER CALLS THAT WERE IN FLAGSTAFF THAT WE RECEIVED AND SHOWED UP ON THEIR DOORSTEP, THEY VOLUNTARILY COMPLIED, I BELIEVE.

I DON'T SEE WHY SEDONA WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER PLACES IN THE STATE THAT WE'VE, UM, THAT WE'VE, UH, THAT THOSE JURISDICTIONS HAVE IMPLEMENTED.

ORDINANCE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CLOSED OUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT, KURT.

UH, BUT UH, MAYOR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ON JUST REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S JUST ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.

YOU HAVE TO OPEN AND CLOSE.

JUST WANTED TO BE SURE.

PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, BEING WATER WISE AND THEREFORE PLANTING WHAT TURNS OUT TO BE A NATIVE HABITAT, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU WON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS INTENTIONAL TO ATTRACT DEER OR INTENTIONAL.

UH, FA UH, COMMENTS.

COUNSEL, WE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.

AND COMMENTS.

SO I, I'M GONNA ADDRESS THIS SORT OF, TO THIS WHOLE GROUP OVER HERE IN FRONT OF ME.

SO, UM, MS. FSOS BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF, UM, POINTS THAT I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON.

WHEN THESE RULES, THESE ORDINANCES ARE WRITTEN, I KNOW YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE, UM, WITH THESE BEING WRITTEN IN MULTIPLE PLACES.

UH, WHEN THIS IS BEING DONE, HOW ARE WE THINKING ABOUT, UH, THE CONSERVATION OF WILDLIFE AS OPPOSED TO HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTION? WHICH AGAIN, DOESN'T USUALLY FAREWELL FOR THE WILDLIFE.

HAVE YOU IN THE PAST, ARE ANY OF THESE, UH, ORDINANCES, DO THEY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, PRINCIPLES THAT OTHER CONSERVATION AGENCIES, UH, MAY, MAY ADDRESS? YOU ARE IN SOME WAYS A CONSERVATION AGENCY.

UM, THAT'S WHAT THE HUNTING IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT .

BUT, UH, IT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE HOW, HOW DO THEY, HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO WHAT YOU THINK SOMEBODY LIKE NATIONAL WILDLIFE OR, UM, ANY OF THE OTHER CONSERVATION AGENCIES MIGHT SAY? MR. MAYOR AND COUNSELOR DON.

UM, AND I, I REGRET IF, IF I'VE PAINTED A PICTURE THAT WE'RE NOT A CONSERVATION ORGANIZATION, CUZ BY, BY STATE LAW, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HELD IN TRUST TO DO, IS TO TAKE CARE OF THE 800, 800 PLUS SPECIES OF WILDLIFE AREA, ARIZONA LEAVE.

UM, THAT IS OUR PRIMARY ROLE AS WILDLIFE CONSERVATION.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID IN FEBRUARY TOO, UM, A COMPONENT OF WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS ALSO WILDLIFE CONSERVATION, IS HUMAN WILDLIFE COMPLEX.

AND, UM, WHEN A HUMAN HAS BEEN INJURED, UM, WHAT WE CA CALL IT CATEGORY ONE INCIDENT, THEN WE DO PLACE PUBLIC SAFETY OVER WILDLIFE, THE WILDLIFE THAT WE'RE INVOLVED.

AND SO GENERALLY REMOVE WILDLIFE LETHALLY, LIKE I EXPLAINED.

UM, IN FEBRUARY, THE INCIDENT IN, UM, DECEMBER, WE WERE ABLE TO REMOVE THOSE WILDLIFE AND PLACE THEM, UH, THOSE HALINA AND PLACE THEM IN A CONSERVATION FACILITY.

UM, IT DE IT DEPENDS ON YOUR VIEWS OF CONSERVATION, WHETHER THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR NOT TO LET ANIMALS LIVE IN, UM, CAPTIVITY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES.

BUT, UM, WE DO TAKE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IN CONSIDERATION IN REGARDS TO THE SPECIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, IN THIS ORDINANCE AND MOST SPECIES THAT YOU FIND IN URBAN AREAS, THERE IS NO SPECIES OF GREATEST CONSERVATION NEED, UM, THAT IS GENERALLY INVOLVED WITH THIS TYPE OF ORDINANCE.

UM, THEY'RE SPECIES THAT ARE VERY ABUNDANT.

THEY'RE DOING GENERALLY DOING BETTER IN URBAN ENVIRONMENTS BECAUSE THE HABITAT IS BETTER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAY I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.

SURE.

UM, THANK YOU.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO ALL OF US, UM, WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO BE WATER WISE, WE'RE GOING TO PLANT NATIVE PLANTS, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE WATER WISE.

AND IN SO PLANTING THESE PLANTS, WE ARE IN ESSENCE POTENTIALLY SETTING UP A HABITAT, UM, FOR NATIVE SPECIES THAT EAT THE BERRIES OR EAT THE SEEDS OR EAT THE LEAVES, OR, UM, IN MY CASE, THEY LIKE TO DIG THEM UP AND EAT THE GRUBS THAT ARE ON MY ROOTS, UM, MAKING ME PLANT THEM YET AGAIN.

SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TELL

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SO I DON'T HAVE A HUGE WATER BILL.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CLEAR ON THAT.

MAYOR, COUNSELORS AND, UH, COUNSELORS.

DUN.

SO THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY WOULD EXEMPT GROWING PLANTS OR PARTS OF GROWING PLANTS, INCLUDING GARDENS, FRUIT, BERRY TREES, WHATEVER.

UH, SO EDIBLE PLANTS ARE NOT PART OF THIS ORDINANCE.

THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY NOT PART OF IT.

IT'S, IT'S, UH, ONLY EDIBLE MATERIAL AS DEFINED IN THIS SECTION.

UM, AND ALSO THIS ORDINANCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HABITATS OR PROVIDING SHADE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR WILDLIFE ANIMALS STRICTLY FEEDING WILDLIFE.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, COUNSEL.

DUN, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT THAT YOU WANNA MAKE OR SH SURE, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING COMMENTS AS WELL NOW AS WELL.

UM, I THINK NO MATTER WHERE WE START, WE'RE GONNA BE PARTLY RIGHT AND PARTLY WRONG.

UM, AND WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING OUR WILDLIFE AT RISK BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER THEY'RE TEMPORARY LIKE VISITORS OR WHETHER THEY'RE PERMANENT LIKE RESIDENT.

UM, THINK OF THEM AS BEING CUDDLY AND INTERESTING.

UM, AND SORT OF LIKE THE PINK KALINA OUTSIDE THE UPTOWN PINK JEEP PLACE CUZ THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE WILD ANIMALS.

AND SO I JUST FEEL LIKE WE LEAST ARE STARTING.

UM, PEOPLE LIKE MS. FARNSWORTH WILL KEEP US ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW IF, IF IT TURNS OUT WE NEED TO CHANGE OR UPDATE THE ORDINANCE.

AND SO I FEEL LIKE AT LEAST THIS IS A START AND WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE OUR WILDLIFE BY PROTECTING THEM FROM US.

SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I WOULD SUPPORT THIS.

COUNCILOR FOLTZ COMMENTS.

UH, VICE MAYOR.

I SUPPORT IT ALSO.

CAUSE I THINK THAT THE EXCEPTIONS DEAL WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE WERE BRINGING TO OUR ATTENTION.

WE'RE EXEMPTING EDIBLE MATERIAL IN IT'S CLOSED, WHICH MIGHT LEAK, BUT WE'RE EXEMPTING IT, WE'RE EXEMPTING, UH, AGRICULTURE AND LIVESTOCK WE'RE EXEMPTING SEEDS, NECTAR AND OTHER MATERIAL FOR BIRDS OR SQUIRRELS, ASSUMING THAT IT'S PUT UP.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE IF THE WIND TAKES SEEDS OUT OF A BIRD FEEDER AND PUTS THEM ON THE GROUND, THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET, UH, ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS TAKEN AGAINST THEM.

WE'VE EXEMPTED WATER FEATURES, WE'VE EXEMPTED TREES AND PLANTS AND GARDENS.

WE'VE EXEMPTED COMPOST PILES AND WE'VE EXEMPTED HEAD HAND FEEDING OF DUCKS OR, OR WATER, WATER FOWL ON LAKES, PONDS, OR CREEKS.

AND I THINK IF WE FIND THERE'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE AS A RESULT OF THIS ORDINANCE, WE CAN EXEMPT SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE.

BUT I, I COMMEND YOU FOR THINKING IT THROUGH AND PUTTING THESE EXCEPTIONS INTO THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE OVERREACH IN MY OPINION, IF THEY WERE NOT EXEMPTED.

SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND I DO THINK WE ARE PROTECTING THE ANIMALS, NOT HURTING THE ANIMALS BY DOING THIS.

PLANNING OUT EVERY SINGLE THING HERE.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

UH, APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, I WOULD STRONGLY CONCUR WITH COUNSELOR DUNN AND HER COMMENTS THAT WE NEED TO GET STARTED SOMEWHERE AND WE'RE GONNA BE PARTLY RIGHT AND PARTLY WRONG.

AND WE'VE GOT FOLKS LIKE MS. FARNSWORTH OUT THERE AND MR. MARTINEZ THAT WILL POINT OUT WHERE THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL PROBLEMS WITH WHAT DOES GET ENACTED.

I DO THINK THAT THE WATER ASPECT JUST SEEMS COMPLETELY UNENFORCEABLE AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY WE'RE INCLUDING THAT AT ALL, UH, AT THIS POINT.

UM, UH, AGAIN, MR. MARTINEZ'S EXAMPLE OF HIS 10 FOOT HIGH BIRD FEEDER AND THE BIRD SCATTERS A SEED ALL OVER THE PLACE.

LIKE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S A TRUST ME.

YOU KNOW, JOHN, TRUST ME, WE'RE GONNA USE DISCRETION.

WE'RE NOT GONNA THROW YOU IN JAIL AFTER THE FIFTH DAY IN A ROW OF THIS.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT TRUST ME, COMING FROM THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY GETS REAL EXCITED ABOUT HEARING.

SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME HESITANCY AROUND THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, I KNOW YOU'RE DYING TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT, SORRY, IT'S MY TURN.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, UH, A PLAN B OF IN YOUR CASE, WELL, GEE, MR. MARTINEZ, MAYBE YOU SHOULD PUT A, YOU KNOW, THREE FOOT HIGH FENCE AROUND THE AREA.

YOU KNOW, THAT THE BIRD FEEDER, SO WHEN ALL THE SEED DROPS IN THE HALINA CAN'T GET TO IT, BUT THE BIRD STILL CAN.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO HAVE TO GO TO THAT LEVEL OF

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SO I WOULD TEND TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE DISCRETION ASPECT.

YEAH, I GET IT.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRUST ME.

OKAY, I, I GET IT.

UM, BUT, AND AGAIN, I JUST THINK THE WATER'S UNENFORCEABLE.

BOARD COUNCIL WILLIAMSON AIN'T NOTHING PERFECT IN THIS WORLD.

YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.

PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

I THINK IF YOU LOOKED AT THE OTHER ORDINANCES WE HAVE, THERE'S PLENTY OF STUFF THAT WE COULD FIND AND, AND COMPLAIN ABOUT.

YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING EVERY TIME WHEN WE TRY AND DO ANYTHING, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO NOTHING.

UM, SO THERE IS AN IMMEDIATE PROBLEM HERE IN THE CITY.

PEOPLE ARE BEING BITTEN.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ON NEXT DOOR, A RESIDENT I READ, A RESIDENT WAS TALKING VERY PROUDLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE FEEDS LINAS AND THEY REALLY LIKE PINEAPPLE TOPS.

SO I THINK THAT THERE IS A REAL PLACE AND, AND OUR SPEAKERS, UM, DISCU DESCRIPTION OF DISCUSSING WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, HIS NEIGHBOR REFUSING TO DO IT.

I THINK THAT THAT HAPPENS ALL OVER THIS CITY AND THAT NEIGHBORS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE PROTECTED FROM, FROM HAVING ANIMALS ATTRACTED.

UM, I THINK THE EXAMPLE OF THE WATER THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS CLEAR ABOUT IT CAN, IT CAN BE USED AND IT IT CAN BE ENFORCEABLE.

AND SO I THINK THAT IT IS AN ATTRACTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, NOT FEEDING, WHEN YOU DON'T FEED WILDLIFE, YOU ARE IN FACT BENEFITING WILDLIFE.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT A CONTRADICTION BETWEEN THIS ORDINANCE AND, AND CONSERVING WILDLIFE.

NOT FEEDING THEM, NOT PUTTING 'EM IN A POSITION OF OF BEING KILLED BECAUSE THEY'RE BECOME AGGRESSIVE IN AREAS WHERE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE AND ARE FED, IS REALLY NOT HELPING THEM.

AND I WAS REALLY, I WAS PARTICULARLY TAKEN BY THE DISCUSSION OF ANIMAL HEALTH.

I DON'T THINK NORMAL PEOPLE, REGULAR PEOPLE, MOST RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND EVEN ABOUT THEIR DOGS AND CATS, WHAT'S HEALTHY, CERTAINLY NOT WILD ANIMALS.

AND WE, I THINK HAVE A LOT OF PROBABLY VERY UNREALISTIC AND, AND UNTRUE IDEAS ABOUT WHAT IS HEALTHY FOR ANIMALS.

UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? I THINK THIS IS A, I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION TOO.

I MEAN, I SEE THAT AS A REAL PLUS.

UM, JUST EDU HAVING A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY A MECHANISM FOR IDENTIFYING PEOPLE WHO CAN BE EDUCATED ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE RELATIONSHIP.

I TOO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED BY LOW COYOTES AND I HAVE A BIGGER DOG THAN YOU DO.

SO IT'S, THEY ARE AROUND AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR, FOR WHATEVER THEY CAN DO.

UM, I THINK IT'S A PERFECTLY RESPONSIBLE ORDINANCE.

ARE THERE CAN HYPOTHETICALLY WE COME UP WITH WAYS THAT PERHAPS IT MIGHT NOT WORK.

YEAH, I'M SURE WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT IT'S RESPONSIBLE.

IT'S LIKE OUR OTHER ORDINANCES.

IT CAN BE ENFORCED.

AND I SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE AS IT IS WRITTEN.

COUNSEL, PETE.

UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE OTHER ANIMALS MENTIONED HERE RISE TO THAT LEVEL.

I'M, UH, STRUCK.

THIS ISN'T A NEW ISSUE.

I'M, UH, RECALL MY TRAINING AS A WILDERNESS INSTRUCTOR FOR THE NATIONAL OUTDOOR LEADERSHIP SCHOOL SOME 20 YEARS AGO OR MORE.

AND WE WOULD HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR STUDENT GROUPS AND IT WOULD DRAG OUT INTO THE NIGHT.

UH, THESE, IT REALLY ISN'T A NEW ISSUE AS BIG HEARTED AND WELL INTENTIONED AS WE ALL ARE.

THERE ARE UNINTENTIONED CONSEQUENCES FOR ANY ACTION THAT WE TAKE.

AND IN HUMAN WILDLIFE INTERACTIONS, IT USUALLY GOES BAD FOR THE WILDLIFE.

NOT, YOU KNOW, A AMONGST THE MOST, UH, UH, SIGNIFICANT THING THAT HAPPENS IS BEHAVIOR OF THE WILDLIFE CHANGES.

AND SO I THINK THIS ORDINANCE, UH, WHO KNOWS IF IT'S THE PERFECT ORDINANCE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START.

I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IN, IN A YEAR HOW IT WENT AND, AND, AND CONTINUE TO TWEAK IT.

AND I KNOW AS MY FELLOW COUNSELORS HAVE SAID THAT WE DO HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT WILL KEEP US ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW ON THIS PATH.

SO I'M SUPPORT OF THE SERGEANTS.

I SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES THE INTERACTION OF PEOPLE WITH HALINA AND BEAR AND COYOTES.

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SO I THINK THAT THIS IS OVERSTATING THE PROBLEM THAT EXISTS.

IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.

I AGREE.

WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.

SO MAYBE WE COULD START BY REMOVING WHERE WE, WHERE THERE'S NOT A DOCUMENTED AREA OF PROBLEM AND, AND CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE SKUNK AND FOX AND FURTHER, UM, AND WIDEN THE, UM, THE NAMED ANIMALS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THIS ORDINANCE.

BUT I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE OTHER ANIMALS MERIT THE SAME SORT OF, UH, DANGER AND REACTION HERE.

UH, I ALSO THINK THAT THE DRAFT, IT GOES BEYOND THAT.

I, I DON'T LIKE THE INCLUSION OF WATER.

I'VE STATED THAT BEFORE.

I THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE REMOVED SOURCES OF HABITAT BY BUILDING HOMES, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE IT'S TAKEN AWAY.

NATURAL POOLS, IT'S TAKEN AWAY.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE MESSED WITH DRAINAGE.

I, I THINK THAT WE'VE, WE HAVE, WE'VE IMPEDED ON THAT HABITAT.

I THINK TO NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WATER IN THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE IS JUST A CRUEL THING.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND NOT PUTTING FOOD OUT.

I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I DON'T WANNA ATTRACT THESE ANIMALS CUZ IT DOESN'T GO WELL FOR THE ANIMALS.

BUT WATER GOES A STEP TOO FAR FROM ME AND INTO THE LEVEL OF BEING A CRUEL REMOVAL OF BEARING, BARRING THEM FROM SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED FOR BASIC SUSTENANCE.

UM, I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS A BIT OF A PROBLEM FOR ME ON THE, ON THE HABITATS, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT SOMEBODY WHO MAY HAVE A LARGE PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S ADJACENT TO AREAS HAVE, I THINK THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO PUT WATER OUT THERE OR CREATE SOMETHING THAT HAD FOOD SOURCE, I KNOW THAT THIS DOESN'T SPEAK TO HABITAT SPECIFICALLY IN THE LANGUAGE, BUT IT DOES IN THE UNDERLYING GOAL OF THE ORDINANCE, IN MY OPINION.

UM, IT EXPANDS A PROBLEM BEYOND THE PROBLEM OF HALINA, WHICH IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.

UM, ALSO, I, I JUST HAVE AN ISSUE WITH NOTH.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH GAME AND FISH.

I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH NAMING GAME AND FISH IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF THE CITY ORDINANCE APPLYING TO OUR CITY AGENCIES.

AND I THINK IT'S SORT OF LIKE A, A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE ISSUE FOR ME.

THAT THIS IS A SEPARATION OF CITY AND STATE IN TERMS OF YOU HAVE AUTHORITIES THAT YOU HAVE UNDER THIS, UNDER THIS STATE.

WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE IN WORKING TOGETHER.

I SEE NO REASON, UH, THAT YOU TO BE NAMED IN HERE TO, ESPECIALLY IF YOU BY YOURSELF SAID THAT THIS IS UNDER CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICER THAT YOU'RE COVERED ANYWAY.

SO I, THAT JUST DOESN'T, IT'S NOT MY MAJOR POINT, BUT JUST DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.

UM, AND I THINK ALSO THERE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF INCONSISTENCIES HERE.

THE BIRD FEEDING HEIGHT IS AN INCONSISTENT PART OF THIS FOR ME.

AGAIN, QUAIL BLOCK GROUND FEEDERS, UM, SEES IT GET KNOCKED DOWN.

THAT ALL FACTORS IN AS WELL AS THE WATER FEATURE DEFINITION WATER FEATURE WE TALKED ABOUT.

ONE PERSON TALKED ABOUT PONDS AND FOUNTAINS.

YOU TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING, UM, THAT NOT AS DETAILED AS THAT.

SO I STILL DON'T HAVE A CLARITY ON WATER FEATURE.

IF IT'S A NICE DECORATIVE BUCKET VERSUS AN ORANGE HOME DEPOT BUCKET, DOES THAT MAKE IT A WATER FEATURE? AND THEN IT'S PROTECTED.

BUT THE HOME DEPOT BUCKET IS NOT, YOU KNOW, I NEED, OR MAYBE SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE ORANGE HOME DEPOT BUCKET TO EACH THEIR OWN.

UM, SO BASED ON THOSE SORT OF, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE OR SIX THINGS THAT I NAMED, I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN.

AGAIN, I WANT AN ORDINANCE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO ADDRESS IT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I LIKE THIS LANGUAGE, SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF PALETTE ON THIS DIAS FOR, YOU KNOW, EITHER REFERRING THIS BACK FOR MORE CONSIDERATION OR AT MINIMUM MAYBE REDUCING DOWN THE ANIMALS THAT ARE NAMED TO JUST HAVAL BEAR AND COYOTE AND REMOVING THE MENTIONS OF WATER.

UM, THOSE WOULD, THOSE WOULD BE FEATURES THAT IF THOSE HAPPENED, I PROBABLY WOULD STILL NOT BE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMFORTABLE, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT IT IF THOSE, YOU KNOW, IF THOSE THINGS HAPPENED.

UM, WITHOUT THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

IS IS THERE, IS THERE ANY APPETITE FOR WHAT I'VE MENTIONED? I'M SEEING NONE.

CLEARLY AND I'M REALLY HAPPY WITH THE WAY SHE DID IT AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

SO, UM, WHAT I'VE LEARNED, I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM FISHING GAME, AND TIM, THIS IS YOUR SECOND PRESENTATION.

I, I REALLY LEARNED A LOT FROM WHAT YOU DO.

AND I APPRECIATE, UH, WHAT YOU DO AND THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT YOU'VE SHARED WITH ME IN THE PAST AND DURING THE PRESENTATIONS.

I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU AND I KNOW CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL NOT BE HEAVY HANDED GOING OUT THERE, AND YOU ARE VERY CLEAR.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT, UH, OUR POLICE CHIEF EXPLAINED THE PROCESS VERY

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SO I SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.

I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

IF IT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED MOVING FORWARD, THAT'S FINE.

UH, AS MR. MARTINEZ SAID, PEOPLE DO FUNNY THINGS AND THEY'RE FEEDING THE ANIMALS AND THEY'RE ATTRACTING IT.

SO WHETHER IT'S, I'M NOT REALLY AS CONCERNED ABOUT BIRD FEEDER AND SEED FALLING ON THE GROUND.

I'M SURE IF MR. MARTINEZ'S NEIGHBOR COMPLAINED THAT HE WAS FEEDING WHATEVER, BECAUSE THE, THE SEEDS WOULD BE FALLING ON THE GROUND, I'M SURE THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE VERY SYMPATHETIC MAYBE TO, FOR MR. MARTINEZ IN HIS CASE ANYWAY, MAYBE.

SO, UM, BUT I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.

UH, THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO, UH, UH, APPETITE FOR COUNCILOR KINS SELLER'S, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UH, UH, A CHANGE IN THE AMENDMENTS.

AND BEFORE I ASK FOR A, UM, A MOTION, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.

I JUST WANT TO SEE IF PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH ADDING SKUNKS AND FOXES BECAUSE THEY, THEY ARE BIG CARRIERS OF RABIES.

THEY ARE REALLY, I MEAN, THEY'RE REALLY DANGEROUS TO HAVE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I WONDERED, BECAUSE THAT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WOULD AMEND THIS SOMEWHAT.

SO I WONDERED IF WE COULD, BECAUSE IN MAKING A MOTION, WE'D WANNA KNOW WHETHER TO INCLUDE THAT OR NOT.

SO YES, I UNDERSTAND.

I AM COMFORTABLE WITH ADDING THEM.

IS THERE ANY APPETITE TO ED, UH, SKUNKS AND FOX? WHO SUGGESTED WE ADD YOU? KURT DAMON FISH DID ORIGINALLY FISH.

DID I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO IT'S PART OF THAT MAYOR.

I, UH, TIM, COULD YOU JUST GO OVER, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THAT IS AN ISSUE AND WHY YOU THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE ADDED INTO THIS ORDINANCE AS OPPOSED TO IT WAS LEFT OUT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

I, THAT IS A SUGGESTION I MADE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LAST MINUTE ON THAT.

BUT, UM, FOX, UH, THE, THE PRIMARY REASON IS AS FOX'S SKUNKS AND BATS ARE THE THREE, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA ADD BATS CUZ PEOPLE DON'T FEED BATS EXCEPT FOR THE NECTAR AT NIGHT.

BUT, UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE PRIMARY VECTORS OF RABIES.

AND, UM, TO COUNSELOR CONSEL HIS CONCERN ABOUT FURTHER SMALL MAMMALS, ADDING THEM, UM, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF WILDLIFE AND, AND THE ENTIRE ECOLOGY.

IF YOU JUST LIMIT THIS TO THE LARGER ANIMALS, PARTICULARLY THE, THE PROTOTYPES LIKE COYOTES AND, UM, AND BOBCATS.

WHAT DO COYOTES AND BOBCATS FEED ON? THEY FEED ON THE SMALLER MAMMALS, THEY FEED ON OTHER WILDLIFE.

SO IF YOU ONLY LIMIT TO THE BIG WILDLIFE AND PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO FEED THE SMALLER WILDLIFE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA ATTRACT THE BIGGER WILDLIFE.

IT'S LIKE THE LITTLE FISH, THE BIG FISH HEATS, THE LITTLE FISH THE SAME IN THE MAMMAL WORLD.

SO FOR THOSE TWO REASONS, UM, THE RABIES CARRIERS AND THE, THE FACT THAT THESE SMALLER MAMMALS ARE ATTRACTANTS, IF THEY'RE FED, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE FED AND THEY'RE EXCLUDED, UM, FROM THIS ORDINANCE, THEN THEY ATTRACT A LARGE ANIMALS THAT GENERALLY CAUSE MORE PHYSICAL HARM TO PEOPLE.

AND WHAT TYPE OF, UH, ISSUES, UH, HAVE YOU HAD HERE IN THE AREA, THIS REGION WITH RAD? UH, IS IT COMMON? UM, MR. ME, UM, FOXES AND SKUNKS ARE, ARE FAIRLY COMMON IN KOO COUNTY, YAPA COUNTY, UH, AND BATS AS WELL.

BUT, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, DISEASE.

WITH RABIES, YES, WITH RABIES.

THAT'S, UM, IT, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ARE ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS.

UM, NOT OF ALL, WHICH IS ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD, DRIVES THE, THE, UM, RATE OF RABIES UP AND DOWN.

IT'S KIND OF CYCLICAL.

UM, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER AS EARLY AS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, UH, PARTICULARLY IN COCONINO COUNTY AND FLAGSTAFF, AND IT CAME DOWN OAK CREEK, UM, THERE WAS A HIGH PREVALENCE OF RABIES.

AND TO THE POINT THAT WE WERE, UH, COCONINO COUNTY, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAS, WAS BAITING SOME OF THE, THE KNOWN AREAS, KNOWN PRESENCE AREAS IN FLAGSTAFF WITH, UM, ANTI VIR ANTIVIRAL BAIT FOR THE, FOR THE SKUNK POPULATION.

SO IS THERE ANY APPETITE ON THE DAY AS TO, UH, GO WITH COUNCIL WILLIAMSON'S? UH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

SO WHAT ARE WE ADDING? SKUNK AND SKUNKS AND FOXES AND FOXES ALONE, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S ALL.

NUMBER 2023 DASH TWO TWO .

WHAT WE, JUST HOLD ON.

I DON'T THANK YOU.

ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? MAYOR? UH, SO YOU, WE KNOW HOW TO DO THE CHANGE.

I DO.

OH, FIRST FIRST READING FIRST, YES.

MAYOR COUNSEL, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023 DASH TWO TWO, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CODE TITLE SIX ANIMALS BY ADDING CHAPTER 6.15, OUTDOOR FEEDING AND PROTECTION OF WILDLIFE, PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES, A SAVING CLAUSE, AND FOR REPEAL OF A CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ARE YOU READY FOR THE MOTION? YES, PLEASE.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE

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UM, AN ORDINANCE OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE SIX ANIMALS BY ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 6.15, OUTDOOR FEEDING AND PROTECTION OF WILDLIFE AS AMENDED WITH THE ADDITION OF SKUNKS AND FOXES IN THE DEFINITION OF WILDLIFE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

OPPOSED? NO.

AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT THE MINUTES REFLECT THAT MY OPPOSITION IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE, UM, I WANTED THE NUMBER OF NAMED TYPE OF ANIMALS REDUCED AND THAT I WANTED WATER REMOVED FROM THE RESOLUTION.

YOU HAVE THAT JOE? ALRIGHT.

SIX TO ONE.

UH, COUNSEL, UH, TIM.

BRIAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GREAT, UH, PRESENTATION.

I'M GLAD YOU TWO GUYS ARE BONDING.

UH, ANY INTEREST OF TAKING A BREAK NOW OR YOU WANT TAKE? OKAY.

UH, HOW LONG'S THE NEXT ITEM? LIKE 90 MINUTES, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE A LONG ITEM.

THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, THE SIM UH, ANDY AND, AND, UH, STAFF ARE ALL BITING AT THE BIT, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK.

SO WHAT, 10, 10, 2, 10 TO, UH, TWO SEVEN.

GO DOWN, JOANNE, ASSISTANT SENIOR.

THANKS FOR PUTTING UP WITH US.

UM, ITEM C, AB 2378.

DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE SEDONA IN MOTION TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AND APPROVAL OF A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR THE SR 1 79 PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK PROJECT, UH, TO, UH, JAY BAN, UH, CONSTRUCTION INC.

AND A AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED, UH, 3,461,000 5, 67 AND 15 CENTS.

ANDY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL.

UM, WE'RE GIVEN A SIM UPDATE TONIGHT.

I JUST KIND OF WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS IS A, A STANDARD UPDATE.

THIS ISN'T LIKE THE ANNUAL IN DEPTH RECAP KIND OF UPDATE.

WE DO PLAN ON DOING THAT LIKELY, UH, EITHER THE NEXT UPDATE OR THE ONE AFTER IS, IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TARGETING RIGHT NOW.

SO ROBERT'S GONNA KICK US OFF TONIGHT.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ROBERT TO START WITH TRANSIT.

AND THEN WE GOT A COUPLE OF OTHER, UM, PROJECT MANAGERS THAT ARE GONNA HELP AFTER THAT.

UH, WE LAUNCHED MARCH 24TH, 2022.

THANK YOU, ANDY.

MR. MAYOR, VICE SER COUNSELORS, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.

I JUST HAVE A FEW SLIDES HERE TO UPDATE US ON EM.

EIGHT, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC TRANSIT, UH, COMPONENT OF SEDONA IN MOTION.

UH, THE CHART THAT WE HAVE UP, EXCUSE ME, REPRESENTS, UH, THE FIRST YEAR OF OPERATION.

THESE NUMBERS TAKE US THROUGH MARCH 23RD, 2023.

THE ONLY THING WORTH NOTING HERE IS THAT LAST MARCH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTE THAT WE HAD PRETTY LOW RIDERSHIP, UM, BUT WE ONLY OPERATED FIVE DAYS LAST YEAR.

THAT'S WHEN WE KICKED OFF.

UM, THIS YEAR WE OPERATED, UH, 29 AND A HALF DAYS.

SO WE LOST, UH, WE LOST A COUPLE OF DAYS DUE TO, UH, SERVICE SUSPENSION DUE TO THE SNOW.

UM, BUT THROUGH MARCH 23RD, WHICH IS THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY, WE HAD LOGGED 32,000 BOARDINGS FOR MARCH.

WE CLOSED OUT

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MARCH AT OVER 48,000 BOARDINGS.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOT REFLECTED HERE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE FIRST 10 DAYS IN APRIL ARE SHOWING THE 35% INCREASE OVER LAST APRIL.

APACHE, WE MAY BE REVISITING THIS SO WE CAN HAVE AN ACTUAL EXCHANGE FOR THOSE DIFFERENT LINES TO LAND AND ACTUALLY EXCHANGE.

UM, WHICH WE HAD OVER 44,000 LAST APRIL.

SO REALLY STRONG, YOU KNOW, RIDERSHIP DURING SPRING BREAK, WHICH IS NO BIG SURPRISE.

UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE WE DO HAVE SEASONAL VARIATIONS, WHICH IS EXPECTED.

UM, THE DAILY AVERAGE, UH, I THINK WAS LOWEST IN JULY.

UM, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE MONTH HAS A HIGHER NUMBER THAN SOME OF THESE OTHER MONTHS.

CAUSE THERE ARE MORE OPERATING DAYS IN JULY.

BUT I THINK WE, UH, OUR LOWEST DAILY BOARDINGS HIT AROUND 750 IN THE HEIGHT OF THE SUMMER.

SO WITH, WITH, WITH HEATS OF OVER THREE DIGITS.

SO THAT IS ONLY OUR FIRST YEAR OF EXPERIENCE.

UM, I WILL HAVE A CHART UP, WHICH WILL COMPARE EACH FISCAL YEAR BY EACH MONTH AS I ACCUMULATE MORE DATA.

UM, EARLIER TODAY, I THINK THE, UH, YEAR ONE SEDONA REPORT WENT OUT.

UM, YOU MAY HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT.

THERE'S A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION IN THAT AS WELL.

UH, MICRO CHANCE IT, UH, THE SEDONA SHUTTLE CONNECT.

UM, THOSE VEHICLES WERE ORDERED ON FEBRUARY 2ND, 2023.

I'M STILL AWAITING A FINAL BUILD SCHEDULE FROM THE MANUFACTURER NEW ENGLAND WHEELS.

I'M HOPING TO GET THAT EITHER THIS WEEK OR NEXT, BUT IT'S STILL LOOKING LIKE A, UH, LATE AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER DELIVERY.

SO I'M A LITTLE ON THE PESSIMISTIC SIDE.

WE, WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT AN OCTOBER LAUNCH IF THOSE VEHICLES COME IN ON TIME.

UM, GOOD NEWS, IF YOU RECALL, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THAT WE DIRECTLY PURCHASED THREE VEHICLES THROUGH A, A LEASE PURCHASE AGREEMENT, BUT ALSO TWO OF THOSE VEHICLES WERE BEING PARTIALLY FUNDED BY ADOT FTA, UH, FTA FUNDS THROUGH 53 39 BECAUSE THE COST OF THE VEHICLES INCREASED.

SO SUBS, UH, SO SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, THE STATE HAS NOW GONE BACK ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FTA FUNDS, UH, TO FUND NOT JUST SEDONAS VEHICLES.

THEY'RE DOING THE STATEWIDE.

SO HOPEFULLY THE ADDITIONAL 214,000 THAT YOU APPROVED FOR THOSE TWO ADOT UNITS, THAT MAY GO DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.

UH, THE ORIGINAL GRANT WAS INTENDED TO COVER 85% OF THE COST FOR THAT PROCUREMENT.

SO IF WE GET THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY, THAT'LL BE GOOD NEWS.

UM, AND I CAN, I CAN LET SHERRY KNOW TO ADJUST THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

SO WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THAT.

ONCE THE FTA FUNDS THE STATE FOR THIS VEHICLES, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE NEW ENGLAND WHEELS VEHICLE.

THIS IS A COMPUTER GENERATED MOCKUP WITH THE SEDONA SHUTTLE BRANDING.

UM, SO THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THE STREET ONCE WE, ONCE WE LAUNCHED THAT SECOND PHASE OF THE SERVICE.

UM, QUICK UPDATE ON THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY.

UH, A LOT OF THIS I DID GO OVER IN THE WORKSHOP, BUT I'LL, I'LL JUST GO OVER IT REAL VERY BRIEFLY AGAIN.

UH, SITE SELECTION AND THE NEPA'S BEEN COMPLETED.

THE RFQ FOR THE DESIGN, UH, FOR DESIGN AND ENGINEERING IS BEEN COMPLETED IN DRAFT AND SUBMITTED, UM, BY, UH, UH, JOHN HALL, ONE OF OUR NEWEST ENGINEERS THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO AD ADOT AND FTA REGION NINE FOR REVIEW.

UM, ASSUMING WE GET THAT BACK IN A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME, UH, WE HOPE TO HAVE DESIGN COMPLETED BY JUNE OF 2024.

UM, AND FUNDING PERMITTING.

AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GRANTS HERE IN A MINUTE.

WE HOPE TO TENTATIVELY BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN OCTOBER OF 2024.

UM, RIDE EXCHANGE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PAUSE BUTTON ON THAT.

WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN IN FY 23.

FINAL DESIGN IS REALLY PENDING FUTURE DECISIONS REGARDING THE TRANSIT OPERATIONS.

AND WE'RE IN A MEETING THE OTHER DAY, AND I, I PUT IT TO OUR CITY MANAGER THIS WAY.

IT'S LIKE, WHY BUILD AN AIRPORT BEFORE WE HAVE AN AIRLINE? SO I THINK THAT AS WE START WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THESE FUNDING ISSUES FOR SAY, REGIONAL SERVICES TO THE VOC, TO THE CANYON CONNECTIONS WITH YAVAPAI

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SO THIS, THIS HAS THE PAUSE BUTTON ON IT FOR NOW.

WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, FRANKLY, AT THE STATE LEVEL, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, TO, TO WORK OUT THESE FUNDING ISSUES, UH, TO MAKE THOSE REGIONAL ROUTES MORE OF A REALITY.

UM, UM, LITTLE BIT ON GRANTS.

SINCE, UM, JUNE OF 2022, THE CITY HAS BEEN AWARDED OVER 1.7 MILLION IN FTA GRANT FUNDING, UH, TO HELP IT BUILD ITS NEW, UH, TRANSIT FACILITY.

UH, SO FAR WE'RE, THE CITY HAS PAID ABOUT A 30% MATCH ON THAT MONEY, ABOUT 30 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.

UH, THAT MONEY HAS BEEN ALLOCATED FOR ADMINISTRATION, UH, CAPITAL OPERATING AND PLANNING EXPENSE.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.

UM, AS WE DEMONSTRATE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS, PARTICULARLY IN THE MICRO TRANSIT WORLD, WHICH IS ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING, AS WE PROVE OURSELVES TO BE A, A, UH, RESPONSIBLE GRANT RECIPIENT, AND WE HANDLE THIS, WE DO WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT FUNDING, AND WE, UH, ARE COMPLIANT WITH ALL THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS THAT COME WITH, THERE WILL BE MORE FUNDING AVAILABLE.

THAT'S JUST HOW PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEMS ARE BUILT IN THIS COUNTRY.

YOU'RE GONNA LEVERAGE YOUR LOCAL MONEY AGAINST FEDERAL MONEY, AND HOPEFULLY IF WE EVER GET STATE MONEY, THAT STATE MONEY CAN ALSO BE LEVERAGED AGAINST THIS FEDERAL MONEY TO LO FURTHER LOWER THE CITY'S SUBSIDY AS, AS YOU BUILD, BUILD OUT YOUR, UH, TRANSIT PROGRAMS. UM, WE SKIPPED, I KEEP HITTING PREVIOUS AND IT KEEPS GOING TO THE NEXT.

AND THAT'S IT, I GUESS.

I GUESS THAT'S IT.

YEAH, THAT WAS IT.

THERE WAS A QUESTION SLIDE THAT PROMPTED ME TO LET ME KNOW.

IT WAS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD FOR YOU TODAY, UH, AS AN UPDATE WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

RESTRICTIONS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY PROVEN WILL DRIVE RIDERSHIP UP.

UM, WHY DON'T WE START ON THIS VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, ROBERT? THIS IS, UH, EXCELLENT, UH, PRESENTATION AND I KNOW WE EXCEEDED OUR FIRST YEAR, UH, PASSENGER AND RIDERSHIP NUMBER, SO CONGRATULATIONS.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UH, PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT THE RIDERSHIP DURING OUR DOWNTIME, YOU KNOW, OUR SLOW MONTHS, AND THEY'VE ASKED THE QUESTION, SHOULD WE BE DOING SOMETHING ELSE WITH THESE VEHICLES DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME SO THAT THEY CAN BE PUT TO, UM, MORE ENHANCED USAGE? UH, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, IS THERE SOME, SO LET'S SAY MICROT TRANSITS GOT REALLY SUCCESSFUL AND COULDN'T AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH COVERAGE OR SOMETHING ELSE.

YEAH, I THINK TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS HAVING THAT OTHER MODE, MICROT TRANSITS THAT'S ACTUALLY OPERATIONAL, THAT MIGHT GIVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THOSE DRIVERS.

UH, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT WORKFORCE.

UM, THAT IS EXTENSIVE RECRUITMENT, 130 HOURS OF TRAINING BEFORE THEY'RE CLEARED FOR INDEPENDENT DUTY BACKGROUND CHECKS, DRUG AND ALCOHOL, THE LIST GOES ON.

SO PART OF THAT IS RETAINING THE WORKFORCE, BUT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES THAN THOSE, THOSE SLOWER MONTHS.

UM, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IN MIND THAT SLOWER MEANS IF WE LOOK AT JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST SLOWER MEANS ANYWHERE FROM 17,000 TO, UH, 13,000 BOARDINGS A MONTH, THAT'S SLOW.

UM, SO WE WOULD BE LOSING THAT RIDERSHIP IF, IF WE SHUT DOWN THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES DURING THAT PERIOD.

BUT THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO DO THAT IF, IF, IF WE FEEL THAT THAT'S PRUDENT AND THEN, UH, REASSIGN THOSE DRIVERS TO SAY THE MICROT TRANSIT SERVICE.

UM, BUT AT TELL TOUCH TIME AS WE HAVE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING TO KEEP THAT SERVICE SUSTAINED, UH, THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

UM, I'M HOPING TO GROW THE RIDERSHIP EVEN FROM THOSE NUMBERS I JUST GAVE YOU AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE, THE COUNTY AND THE FOREST SERVICE, PARTICULARLY IN THE CORRIDORS OF DRY CREEK BOYNTON CANYON TO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER, UH, IMPLEMENT PARKING

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SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR FIRST YEAR.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME THAT SAME QUESTION, I REMIND THEM OF THAT AND I TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GROW THAT RIDERSHIP VERSUS THE, YOU KNOW, THE INCLINATION TO JUST SHUT IT DOWN.

AND I WASN'T EVEN SUGGESTING SHUTTING IT DOWN.

I WAS, AND I'M NOT EVEN SUGGESTING ANYTHING.

I'M JUST ASKING YOU THE QUESTION, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING IT SOME THOUGHT FLEXIBILITY OF UTILIZATION.

WE'RE GIVING IT, WE'RE GIVING IT SOME THOUGHT.

UM, WE HAVE TO GATHER THAT MICRO TRANSIT PIECE IN PLACE AND REALLY SEE HOW IT'S PERFORMING AS WELL.

UM, AND THEN, AND THEN LOOK AT THE, THE LABOR ISSUES AND, AND SEE HOW WE CAN, WE CAN, UM, WORK THROUGH THAT.

IS IT TOO EARLY TO TELL WHETHER OR NOT THE OPENING OF THE LOT ON CULTURAL PARK ROAD OR RED, UPPER RED ROCK CREEK ROAD HAS HAD AN IMPACT? UH, I DID IN THE, UH, IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET BURIED IN THERE.

I DID A QUICK ANALYSIS OF THAT.

UM, BUT WITH VERY LITTLE DATA, UM, I JUST WENT SPRING TO SPRING DAY BY DAY, LOOKING AT THE LINE 11, UM, LAST SPRING TO THIS SPRING.

AND AGAIN, LITTLE VERY LIMITED DATA.

I DO WANNA RUN THIS AGAIN.

UM, I'M SHOWING A, A 78 JUST ABOUT A, ABOUT AN 80% INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP ON THE 11 SINCE WE OPENED THE LOT.

SO I'M, YEAH, I'M GONNA RUN THAT AGAIN AT THE END OF SPRING AND JUST SEE HOW, HOW THAT REALLY PANS OUT AND INTERESTING.

INTERESTING.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, DURING THAT SAME STUDY PERIOD, THE LINE 12 INCREASED BY 30%.

SO BY SPLITTING THAT TO BOTH OF THEM SOMEHOW IS, IS WORKING OUT THAT WE'RE GETTING BETTER, BETTER PRODUCTIVITY ON BOTH OF THOSE LINES.

BUT I THINK THE, WITH RESPECT TO THE LINE 11, THE ULTIMATE ANSWER TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THOSE NUMBERS SUBSTANTIALLY IS TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THOSE PARKING RESTRICTIONS UP NEAR DRY CREEK VISTA, MESCALE.

AND POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, BOYNTON CANYON DID SOME FUTURE, FUTURE PERIOD AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON THE FUNDING SIDE OF THAT.

THAT'S ALL OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS.

SO, KAREN, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THAT? BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS SUPPORTING THIS EFFORT AND THE FOREST SERVICE, RIGHT? WE'RE THEY ARE.

DO YOU WANT YEAH, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON A PROPOSAL ALONG WITH THE COUNTY ON WHERE WE WOULD IMPLEMENT SOME PARKING RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO THE FOREST SERVICE AS WELL AS THE COUNTY.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A TRIAL RUN OF ESSENTIALLY SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES TO BE PLACED IN A SEGMENT OF THAT AREA BETWEEN BASICALLY THE CITY LIMITS UP TO THE END OF DRY CREEK ROAD.

SO OUR STAFF ARE IDENTIFYING THAT RIGHT NOW.

KURT'S, UH, STAFF ARE WORKING ON THAT AND JUST TRYING TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EXHIBIT PUT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNTY AND, AND GET A PROPOSAL MADE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.

SO DO YOU HAVE A TARGET DATE, ANDY? UM, UM, AS FAR AS HAVING A DESIGN PUT TOGETHER, I WOULD THINK BY THIS SUMMER WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT END OF SUMMER BEFORE WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING IMPLEMENTED.

IS, IS THE BEST CASE I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW.

AND, AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE GOING TO BE TEMPORARY MEASURES.

SO YEAH, THINGS LIKE, UM, MOVABLE TYPE OF BARRIERS THAT WOULD NOT BE A PERMANENT PERMANENTLY AFFIXED, UM, AS WE RAN INTO ISSUES WITH UTILITY CONFLICTS THAT JUST COULD NOT BE RESOLVED.

UH, AS WELL AS SOME COMBINATION OF SIGNAGE JUST AS A, AS A PHASE ONE, AS KIND OF A TEST CASE.

UM, WE HAVEN'T WORKED OUT DETAILS IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT OF SIGNAGE, BUT THAT WILL BE AN INTERESTING KIND OF A, A ANALYSIS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ADHERENCE TO RESTRICTIONS IF IT IS NOT A PHYSICAL BARRIER.

I WOULD ADD TO THAT, UM, THAT WHEN THE CITY DEPLOYED THE BOULDERS UP TO THE CITY LIMITS, WE DID SEE A JUMP IN THE LINE 11.

I MEAN, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T AS DRAMATIC AS WE'D LIKE, BUT IT, IT WENT UP.

SO AS, AS YOU IMPOSE THESE RESTRICTIONS, UM, MY EXPERIENCE IS GONNA TELL ME YOU'RE GONNA SEE BETTER PRODUCTIVITY ON THOSE LINES.

SO.

WELL, THE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO ADD REAL QUICK, SWITCHING GEARS, I STILL HAVE THIS GRANT SLIDE HERE IN FRONT

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OF ME.

WE HAVE, WE ARE LOOKING AT FIVE ADDITIONAL GRANTS THROUGH FTA, UH, THROUGH, UH, THE U S D O T, UH, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.

UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WAITING ON THE GRANT CYCLES TO COME AROUND, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE UP TO 18 TO 20 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION FEES, ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, TRAILHEAD, SHUTTLE, UH, OPERATING EXPENSE.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD ON THIS FUNDING ISSUE AND WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THOSE, UH, GRANTS IN OUR SITES AND LOOKING FOR MORE.

SO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU, MELISSA.

BRIAN.

UH, THANK YOU ROBERT, FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.

MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED ALREADY REGARDING ROUTE 12.

SO THE RIDERSHIP HAS GONE UP CURRENTLY, LET'S SAY IT GETS, UH, INTO THE DOLDRUMS OF SUMMER.

UM, WILL WE, NO MATTER WHAT, CONTINUE ROUTE 12? YES.

SO WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS ANSWER.

, WELL, I WAY I DON'T WANNA GET TOO DEEP.

WE HAVE A, A LOT ON THIS PRESENTATION.

SO LET'S, THE LINE 12 AND THE LINE 11, I'M SORRY, THE LINE 14, WHICH IS SOLDIERS PASS AND LINE 12, WHICH SERVES DRY CREEK VISTA.

THAT IS ONE BUS THAT'S CALLED AN INTERLINED ROUTE.

SO WE HAVE A CHOICE, SO I CAN SHUT IT DOWN, BUT IT'S GONNA SIT IDLE WHILE WE PAY THE CONTRACTOR MM-HMM.

TO CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, TO OPERATE THAT LINE 14.

SO IT'S TIMED RIGHT NOW BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROUTES.

THE NEXT QUESTION THAT PEOPLE TYPICALLY ASK ME IS, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU JUST RUN THE LINE 14 UP AND DOWN THE HILL? THAT WOULD PUT US IN VIOLATION OF OUR PERMIT WITH THE FOREST SERVICE.

CAUSE WE'RE RESTRICTED TO A DAILY QUOTA.

SO IT'S A SCHEDULING, UM, JUGGLING ACT REALLY IS THE BEST, BEST WAY I CAN PUT IT.

AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT COMES UP IS, WELL, CAN'T YOU USE THE BUS TO GO TO OTHER TRAIL HEADS? AND SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY, CAN YOU KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PERMITTED TO DO? YEAH.

FOR THOSE THAT WE'RE PERMITTED TO.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE PERMITTED FOR THE TRAILHEADS THAT WE'RE SERVING.

WE DID LOOK AT OTHER TRAIL HEADS.

JIM THOMPSON, THE BUSES CAN'T ACCESS DUE TO THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD.

HUCKABEE WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE LIST THAT WAS DROPPED BY THE FOREST SERVICE TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN, UH, FOR THE HABITAT OF AN INDIGENOUS BIRD SPECIES.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THAT'S BEEN TABLED.

UM, WE LOOKED AT, UM, UM, KAREN, WHAT WAS THAT? THE, THE TRAILHEAD OUT OUTSIDE OF TOWN GOING UP, UM, STABLING 89 A OH, GOING OUT.

ANYWAY, WE WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE ARE SERVING THE TRAIL HEADS THAT WE'RE PERMITTED TO SERVE.

I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND IF WE CAN JUST KEEP IN MIND, WE HAVE A LOT OF PARTS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH AND GET TO LACK OF HOCKEY, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST THING.

UH, ROBERT, NOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN, UH, YOU IN SERVICE FOR ONE YEAR, HAVE YOU LEARNED SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE? OH, THE LIST IS LONGER THAN YOU'RE GOING THEN I, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT ANOTHER TIME.

I DON'T WANNA, BUT I'M JUST GLAD YOU'RE DOING IT.

IT'S A TRAPS, BUT THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

ON THIS SIDE, ANY QUICK QUESTIONS? I DO.

IT'S GONNA BE MY LIFE'S MISSION TO GET US TO STOP USING 11, 12, 14, 15.

I WON'T EVER KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, ROBERT.

I WOULD JUST LOVE TO CALL 'EM DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, UH, THE DRIVER'S EXPERIENCE OF DRIVING DOWN DRY CREEK.

HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CLOSE? I KNOW WHEN I RIDE MY BIKE DOWN THERE, OF COURSE IT'S A BIKE, NOT A CAR.

IT SCARES THE BEJESUS OUT OF ME.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AS HOW THE, OUR DRIVERS ARE EXPERIENCING, UH, THAT TRIP AS WELL.

YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY RECOGNIZE THE, THE, UH, THE DANGER WITH THE PEDESTRIANS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRAINED TO PRETTY MUCH HOLD THE BUS UNTIL THE SITUATION'S SAFE TO PROCEED, WHICH THEY OFTEN DO.

THE REAL PROBLEM ACTUALLY FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT IS, UH, BACK WILL BEYOND MM-HMM.

, , UM, TYPE PEDESTRIANS CONTINUE TO ACCESS BACK BEYOND.

AND, UH, LITERALLY THE DRIVERS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE CREEPING ALONG THAT ROUTE BECAUSE YOU HAVE LIMITED LINE OF SIGHT, THAT TYPE OF THING.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT THE ANSWER THERE IS OTHER THAN PROHIBITING PEDESTRIANS COMPLETELY FROM WALKING ON THAT ROAD.

BUT YEAH.

I WENT ON ONE SATURDAY RECENTLY, GOOD WEATHER TO THE NEW LOT, AND AT ABOUT 11:00 AM ON A SATURDAY, THERE WERE 50 CARS THERE, WHICH WAS ABOUT HALF FULL.

THANKS, JESSICA.

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UM, BUT THEN I WENT DOWN DRY CREEK AND THERE WERE LIKE 8 BILLION OF THEM DOWN THERE AS, SO EVEN IF YOU FILL UP THE LOT, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE THAT.

BUT I GUESS I JUST HAVE ONE ABOUT NO PARKING SIGNS AND ENFORCEMENT.

I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS HOPE, BUT I THINK EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN US AT BACK AND BEYOND AND OTHER PLACES THAT ENFORCEMENT IS GOING IS LIKELY TO BE A FULL-TIME, VERY LABOR INTENSIVE OPERATION.

SO I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF QUALMS ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.

BUT I, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BOOTING AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS.

I MEAN, I ONCE SAW SOMEONE PARK NEXT TO THE BOULDERS AND SOME, AND WHILE I WAS THERE, SOMEBODY ELSE SAW IT AND PULLED RIGHT UP TOO.

SO, UM, I JUST, I'M, I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO, I THINK THERE HAS, I THINK GETTING INTO NO PARKING AND ENFORCEMENT IS A, A REALLY TRICKY, TRICKY ENTERPRISE.

BUT I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY ALREADY SORT OF AGREES WITH THAT.

SO, WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE BUSING? ABOUT BUSING, ABOUT THE TRANSIT? I HAD NO QUESTIONS.

I JUST HAD A COMMENT.

IT WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE.

AND, UH, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, LAUREN PUT THAT, UH, POST OUT TODAY, REAL, THOSE NUMBERS ARE JUST AMAZING FOR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT WAS NEVER GONNA BE USED AND THE BUSES ARE EMPTY.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE GREAT.

AND THAT'S DUE TO NO, TO ALL PART, TO YOUR HELP.

AND I APPRECIATE TAKES ALL OF US AND ALSO THE SUPPORT OF THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

ROBERT, WE'LL BE THE NEXT THANK YOU, SIR.

REAL QUICKLY, UH, WE HAD SOME FLOOD EVENTS BACK IN MARCH 22ND OF THIS YEAR.

WE'RE GONNA BRING ON BOB TO CONTINUE THIS SHOW TO SIM SHOW .

LET ME HELP MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNSELORS, BOB WELCH, ASSOCIATE ENGINEER, CITY OF SEDONA PUBLIC WORKS.

GLAD TO BE WITH YOU TONIGHT.

I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH A FEW OF MY OWN PROJECTS REAL QUICKLY WITH AN UPDATE AND START OUT WITH SIM THREE, THE UPTOWN GARAGE.

UH, THE STATUS OF THIS PROJECT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS THAT THE, UH, CURRENT PARKING GARAGE DESIGN IS ON HOLD.

IT CURRENTLY STANDS AT 90%.

WHILE THAT IS ON HOLD, WE HAVE ENGAGED, UM, WITH KIMLEY HORN ON THE UPTOWN PARKING ALTERNATIVES AND SITE SELECTION PROJECT THAT IS IN PROCESS.

WE'VE COMPLETED THE FIRST HALF OF TASK ONE, WHICH IS THE PARKING INVENTORY AND OCCUPANCY DATA COLLECTION.

SOME NUMBERS ARE JUST STARTING TO DRIBBLE IN.

WE'VE SEEN, UH, SOME NUMBERS FROM KIMBERLY HORN THAT SUGGESTS THAT THE MARCH 12TH AND MARCH 13TH, WHICH IS THE 12TH AND 13TH A SUNDAY AND A MONDAY, UH, AROUND THREE O'CLOCK WERE, OUR PEAK TIMES ARE PEAK PARKING PERIODS.

UM, THEY'RE STILL WORK.

WE'RE WORKING ON CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC PARKING ANALYSIS AND SHOULD HAVE THAT TO US LATER THIS WEEK.

MOVING ON TO SIM FOUR C, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK.

UH, THE PROJECT STATUS ON THIS IS THAT WE'VE C RECEIVED OUR SEALED BID SOLICITATION, WHICH CLOSED ON MARCH 23RD, 2023.

WE PRESENTED A DRAFT CONTRACT TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000,461 THOUSAND DOLLARS, $567 FOR BANQUE CONSTRUCTION.

THEY REPRESENTED THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BID ON THIS PROJECT.

WE HAD A TOTAL OF THREE BIDS COME IN ON THIS PROJECT.

AND, UH, THE SPREAD ON THE BIDS WAS QUITE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL BETWEEN THE HIGH AND LOW BID.

UM, WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT IN, UH, THE BID THAT WE RECEIVED FROM BAN.

UH, IT WAS, UM, ABOVE THE ENGINEER'S OPINION OF COST, BUT, UH, CONSIDERING THE CURRENT, UH, UM, CLIMBING OUT THERE IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY AND SOME OF THE INFLATIONARY FACTORS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, WE FEEL IT IS A GOOD BID.

UH, THE CONSTRUCTION WE'RE ANTICIPATING WOULD TAKE ROUGHLY NINE MONTHS TO COMPLETE.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION COULD START SOMETIME THE FIRST PART OF MAY.

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WE RE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THIS PREVIOUSLY WITH YOU IN THE PRIOR COUNCIL MEETING, BUT JUST TO, UH, REFLECT ON THAT AGAIN, UH, THAT, UH, MARCH 22ND, 2023 FLOW, WE, WE, UM, GOT SOME NUMBERS FROM THE, UH, DOWNSTREAM US GS GAUGE.

IT'S INDICATED 17,500 CFS OF FLOW, WHICH FAILED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE 10 YEAR FLOOD EVENT AND THE 50 YEAR FLOOD EVENT.

AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THAT ILLUSTRATION, THE WATER SURFACE LEVEL THAT, UH, RESULTED AND HOW IT, UH, CORRESPONDS TO ROUGHLY THE LOCATION OF OUR PATHWAY THAT'S ROUGHLY FOUR OR FIVE FEET.

RECOGNIZING THAT THE PATHWAY IS SOMEWHAT PARABOLIC AS IT BROACHES THE, THE LOW POINT IN, UH, THE PATHWAY DOWN THERE IN THE CREEK, IT, IT GRA IT DIFFERS SLIGHTLY FROM, FROM FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE FEET, ET CETERA.

AND THEN, UH, FOREST ROAD SIM FIVE B CONNECTION.

WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH SOME DELAYS ON THIS PROJECT THAT ARE RELATED TO UTILITY RELOCATIONS.

WE ARE, UM, I WILL SAY, SAY NEAR THE TAIL END AND HOPEFULLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUR CONTRACTOR BACK IN WITHIN NEXT MONTH.

UM, WE'VE GOT A, UM, SMALL UTILITY RELOCATION YET THAT, UH, INVOLVES APS AND UNISOURCE GAS, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THOSE RESOLVED SOON.

UM, PROVIDED THAT WE GET IN ON MAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY A YEAR DURATION.

SO, UH, WE WOULD BE COMPLETE A LITTLE, LITTLE PAST, UH, APRIL, MAY OF NEXT YEAR.

ANY QUESTIONS? NICE.

QUICK ONE, UH, THE OVERHEAD POWER LINE, IS THAT ONE THAT STILL GOING TO BE RELOCATED? WAS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR WAS THAT UNDERGROUND APS LINE THAT YOU'RE THERE IS AN UNDERGROUND APS LINE.

UH, IT'S A, IT'S A TRANSFORMER RELOCATION THAT INVOLVES TWO PROPERTIES THAT ALSO, UM, NEED TO BE RELOCATED.

THE SERVICE LINE.

IT IS IN A VERY SENSITIVE OR A VERY COMPLEX AREA THAT INVOLVES, UM, OUR APPROACH OR THE CONTRACTOR'S APPROACH INTO LOWER, THE LOWER END OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UH, HE, WE REALLY NEED THOSE OUTTA THE WAY IN ORDER TO NO, I UNDERSTOOD.

THAT.

GET, UM, THAT UPPER ROADWAY, UM, OPENED UP.

RIGHT? WHAT ABOUT THE OVERHEAD LINE? I HAD TO GO ACROSS 89 A WAS THAT, THAT WAS PART OF IT ORIGINALLY, WASN'T IT? YES, THAT WAS A MAJOR RELOCATION THAT IS COMPLETED.

THAT IS A TEMPORARY LINE THAT WILL BE PUT BACK UNDERGROUND ONCE THE, UH, ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION ON THE LOWER END IS COMPLETED DOWN OUT THROUGH THE STATE ROUTE 89 A.

JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PORTION THAT GOES ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, WE WON'T RE UH, UNDERGROUND THAT MM-HMM.

UNTIL A FUTURE PROJECT, BUT THAT IS THE END, THE ANTICIPATED, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, OUTCOME ON THAT IS TO UNDERGROUND ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE HIGHWAY AND ACROSS THE, UH, THE RIGHT EXCHANGE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.

ANY MORE? IS THAT, OH, OKAY.

I'M DONE.

USUALLY HAVE SO MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS HERE? I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT YET.

IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, THE NEW ROUNDABOUT THAT, THAT'S ONE OF, UH, KURT'S PROJECTS OKAY.

AS WELL.

I'LL SAVE IT FOR KURT.

THANK YOU ROBERT.

I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF YOU GUYS HAD MET KURT YET, SO ONCE BEFORE, BUT YES.

SO KURT IS OUR ENGINEERING SUPERVISOR.

HE REPLACED STEVEN KRAVER, THEY SWAPPED, UM, I GUESS, UH, AGENCIES.

YEAH, , YEAH.

WITH THEIR EMPLOYER WAS STEVEN IS NOW WORKING FOR A O SO WELL WELCOME.

PERMISSION AND SO ON, WE'RE SUCCESSFUL.

IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE.

STARTED IN JULY AND, UM, KNEW ANDY, UM, ONCE I WAS A CONSULTANT TO STATE ROUTE 1 79, WHEN TO ADOT.

SO HAVE A LONG HISTORY HERE IN SEDONA AND I WORK AT A DQ AND ADOT, SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL THE BODIES ARE BURIED HERE, SO.

WELL, THANKS FOR JOINING US .

YOU'RE WELCOME.

WAS GLAD TO BE HERE.

UM, I'M GO FORWARD HERE JUST ONE PAGE UP THAT ARROW IS THE EASIEST.

YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

SO I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR SIM ONE B UPTOWN NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ON CLOSE.

WE'RE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN RIGHT NOW.

I JUST MET WITH, UH, LEIA BEARDS AND CEDARS RESORT ON IDENTIFYING THE SHARED USE PATH.

S U P, UM, WITH ANDY'S

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AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THE SIDEWALK AND THAT INTERPRETIVE CENTER THERE.

AND WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT DOWN, UH, BELOW THE SLOPE.

TRY TO BRING THAT MORE OF THE, UH, VISIBILITY AREA FOR GUESTS, VISITORS AND SO ON TO KIND OF HANG OUT THERE.

YOU NOTICE A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, CONGREGATE ALONG THERE.

SO TRYING TO GET THE SHARED USE PATH GRADE SEPARATION FROM THE ROAD, THIS WHOLE NORTHBOUND PART IS THAT, UM, RESULT OF THE SUCCESS OF THE TWO LANES SOUTHBOUND THROUGH UPTOWN OF TRYING TO RELO CONGESTION INTO THE Y IT'S BACK INTO Y EVERYTHING KIND OF SHUTS DOWN.

SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I'VE JUST DID A COURTESY VISITS, UH, THIS WEEK WITH THE ADJACENT BUSINESS CUZ WE ARE GONNA REMOVE 13 PARKING SPOTS THERE, UM, JUST NORTH OF PINK JEEP TOURS INTO THE JORDAN ROUNDABOUT.

AND, UH, IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

UM, SO FAR.

THE BUSINESSES SUPPORT IT, YOU UNDERSTAND WE'VE GOTTA TAKE THOSE PARKING SPACES, BUT THEY UNDERSTAND THE FRICTION IT CAUSES AND THE DELAYS OF PEOPLE PARKING THERE.

AND THEY ALL AGREED THAT, UM, THOSE SPACES AREN'T SPECIFICALLY FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

IT'S MOSTLY WALKING BUSINESS, SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD SUCCESSFUL TURN.

SO, UM, AMARA RIGHT HAND TURN LANE IS PART OF THIS NORTHBOUND JOB, UM, THAT'S COMPLETED.

WE'RE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.

UM, TIFFANY'S GONNA COME BACK AND FINISH SOME PAVING.

AND THE FINAL, UH, STRIPING AGAIN, WE'RE PLAYING, UM, WITH THE BUSINESSES AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GONNA SELF-REGULATE, MAKING SURE THERE'S NO DELIVERIES IN THAT RIGHT HAND TURN LANE.

UH, WE'VE HAD HAD STAFF MY RIGHT OF WAY STAFF GO AFTER A COUPLE DELIVERY TRUCKS, BEEN THERE IN MIDDAY.

WE'LL KEEP ON THAT.

UM, AND WE'RE STILL IN THE DETERMINATION IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AS THAT, OR PUT MORE ENFORCEMENT IN THE PARKING TO MAKE SURE THAT NO LOADING OR LOADING THERE DURING, UH, HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES.

SO.

AND THAT'S ALL I GOT THERE.

ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

THE PARKING METERS THAT WERE THERE, DO WE RETURN THEM? WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM? WELL, I DOUBT THAT THEY WANT THEM BACK, BUT, UH, OKAY.

I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

MAYBE RECYCLE, I'M THINKING MM-HMM.

, I'M SURE OUR SUSTAINABILITY FOLKS WOULD HAVE SOME IDEAS ON WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THEM.

ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS PRESENTATION? NOPE.

YOU STILL GOT MORE THOUGH? YEAH, I GOT ONE.

OH, YOU HAVE MORE TO GO? OH, YEAH.

AND THIS IS, I THINK THE ONE THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.

IT WAS THE SIM FIVE A, THE PORTAL BREWING CONNECTION.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT 60%, UM, ON THE FIVE LEGGED ROUNDABOUT FOR THE RANGER BREWER THERE.

UM, KIMLEY HORN WAS OUT TODAY.

I MET WITH THEIR GM FOLKS.

UM, WE'RE DEALING WITH CHALLENGES ON THE RETAINING WALL.

WE'RE TRYING TO CUT COSTS BACK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

RETAINING WALLS REALLY FOR THE SHARED USE PATH THAT'S GONNA GO IN HERE.

SO WITH ANDY'S PERMISSION, I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CONSULTANT OF PUTTING THAT ACTUALLY WE'RE, UM, IN THE FOOTPRINT ALONG SOLDIER'S WASH.

AND WHETHER IT BE CAN OR LEVER ON THE TOP OR DOWN THE BELOW.

AGAIN, SINCE I'M BEING HERE, I'M REALLY TRYING TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO SEPARATE SHARED USE PATH FROM THE ACTIVE ROAD INTO MORE OF LIKE DRAINAGE.

SO IT'S MORE OF A VERY, A BETTER EXPERIENCE.

IT'S SAFER FOR EVERYBODY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S THE NATURAL ATTRACTION FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THE CAR AND WALK, RIDE A BIKE AND SO ON.

UM, SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO THAT.

UM, WE'RE AT THAT ONCE WE GET THIS, UH, GEOTECH, UH, BACK ON, WE'LL KNOW MORE ON THE WEATHERING OF THIS, UH, EXPOSED BANK IN ORDER TO GET THIS BA UM, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THIS EXTENSIVE RETAINING WALL.

SO THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, SO WE'RE TURNING A CORNER ON THAT.

UH, PENDING DESIGN IS LIKE OVER SOLDIERS WASH.

WE HAVE TO GET, UH, A BUNCH OF A FEMA FLOODPLAIN PERMITS.

SO WE HAVE A PLAN WITH THEM TO DO IT IN A HOLISTIC WAY SO WE CAN GET A BIG CL MAR AND THEN, UH, DO LO MARS WITH YOU.

PROBABLY GO IN DETAIL, , SORRY, WE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE FLOODPLAIN AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, I'M COMPLICATED BECAUSE OF THE DECIPHERING THE, THE CODE THAT YOU'RE TALKING OVER THERE, .

I'M TALKING CODE NOW, BUT IT'S VERY, IT'S COMPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN THE FLOOD HAZARD ZONE.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET AROUND THAT.

AND WE, UM, BEGINNING THE DESIGN, WE HOPE TO FINISH THE DESIGN, UM, SOMETIME EARLY, UH, NEXT YEAR AND GET THIS OUT TO BID, UM, SOMETIME FOLLOWING THE END OF NEXT YEAR.

SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

GOING BACK TO THE LAST DISCUSSION OF THE, WAS IT THE HISTORY WALK, THE SIDEWALK YOU'RE GONNA DROP DOWN CURRENTLY? EXCUSE ME.

THERE'S SOME SIGNS OF, UH, INFORMATIONAL SIGNS THAT ARE PUT ON THE RAILING AND THEY WERE DAMAGED RECENTLY.

CONTINUE WITH THOSE IN, YOU KNOW, DROPPING THEM DOWN WITH THE SIDEWALK, BUT MAKING THEM MORE PERMANENT OR LESS APT TO BE DAMAGED? YES, SIR.

UH, IS IT A PLAN TO

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THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

UH, KAREN'S HELPED ME OUT, OUT, UH, REACHING WITH STEVE.

THE, UM, WE KNOW YES, YES.

ABOUT MAKING THOSE UPDATED, UPGRADING THEM.

AND THEN WE'RE THE SHARED USE PATH, WHICH IS 10 FOOT WIDE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE LITTLE TWO FOOT BULB OUTS.

OH.

SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY HANG OUT, SEE THERE AND MARK.

AND AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIGHTED JUST LIKE THEY ARE TOO AND SO ON.

AND I'LL WORK WITH STEVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE FASTENED BETTER.

SO SOMEONE WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME OF TRYING TO PULL THEM OFF THOSE FORMS. AND WE MIGHT EVEN UPDATE OR UPGRADE HOW THEY'RE CURRENTLY PRESENTED, MAYBE FARTHER OUT.

SO IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO GET THERE.

SO, SO NOW I CAN ASK MY QUESTION ABOUT THE PORTAL BREWER.

SO I WAS, I WENT THERE TO VIEW IT SO I COULD, A VISUAL PERSON, I COULD TRY TO SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE.

AND THERE'S BUSINESSES ON BOTH SIDES OF BREWER ROAD.

WHEN YOU FIRST ENTER IT, ARE THEY GONNA BE IMPACTED OR ARE YOU GONNA GO, UH, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE OF 89 A AND THEN, UH, WE GO AROUND INTO THE PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED THAT THE CITY OWNS.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING? STORE AND ALL THAT? YEAH.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COLDWELL BANKER AND THE ADJACENT PAINT STORE THAT'S OVER SOLDIER WASH? YES.

YEAH, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK ALL THE WAY AROUND THEM.

WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF EASEMENT ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF BREWER AND SO ON.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO EXPAND THAT ROAD.

BUT EVERYTHING OF OUR IMPROVEMENTS ARE REALLY GONNA BE BEHIND COLDWELL BIT.

TO THE WEST OF THAT.

AND THEN HOW THAT TIES IN, I HAVE REACHED OUT TO HART, UM, THE NEW OWNERS THERE, HE ACTUALLY CAME IN RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, SO I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO THEM TO, AGAIN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THEM UNTIL WE HAVE A REALLY, A GOOD DESIGN AND, UH, ILLUSTRATIONS I COULD SHARE WITH THEM SO THEY CAN CAPTURE THE VISION.

BUT YEAH, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK AROUND WITH IN THAT DESIGN.

BUT THERE'LL BE NO IMPACT TO THEIR E EVEN THEIR PARKING, RIGHT? NOT OUR STORE.

NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.

THERE'S NO, NO INTENT TO, AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF THE DESIGN IS TO MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE IMPACTS TO THOSE ADJACENT BUSINESS.

I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME.

SO RIGHT NOW, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

NOPE, THAT'S THE .

DO YOU WANT ME TO COVER IT OUT? I'M SURE IF YOU WANT IT.

I THINK I'M TIRED OF TALKING .

THIS PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY COMPLETED BEFORE KURT GOT HERE, SO YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE MUCH FUN, UM, TELLING YOU ABOUT THIS ONE.

SO THIS IS, UH, DO WE HAVE A, WHERE THIS IS THE CONNECTION THAT WE MADE BETWEEN LOS ABOGADOS TO BREWER ROAD.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR AERIAL PHOTO THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE.

JUST TO KIND OF POINT OUT WHERE WE'RE AT REAL QUICK.

THIS IS 1 79 RUNNING THROUGH HERE, RANGER ROAD BREWER.

THIS IS THE NEW CONNECTION YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE.

SO AS YOU COME IN THROUGH PORTAL LANE, THERE'S THE CIRCULAR AREA IN THE FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY HERE.

AND THEN THE DRIVE KIND OF FLOWS IN THIS DIRECTION HERE.

SO THE WAY YOU GET TO THAT, THAT NEW CONNECTION IS YOU GO THROUGH A GATE THAT'S RIGHT HERE.

AND JUST FOR REFERENCE, THERE'S ALSO A GATE RIGHT HERE THAT CONNECTS YOU TO PROC.

NOW THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

THIS IS FOR EMERGENCY AND WELL, IT'S REALLY INTENDED FOR MAINLY EMERGENCY.

THAT'S DEBATABLE THE LEGAL ACCESS THERE.

AND WE WON'T GET INTO THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, IF YOU TRY TO USE THAT, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO, THE, THE ACCESS THAT WE BUILT AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO USE IS OVER HERE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY.

THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT WAS COMPLETED THIS PAST AUGUST.

KURT AND I HAVE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE, THE NEW GM AT LOS ABOGADOS.

WE'VE LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THEIR STAFF AND THEIR, THEIR GUESTS THAT THIS IS A USABLE ACCESS.

AND WE'VE EXPLAINED THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF THIS CONNECTION BECAUSE THIS PERSON IS RELATIVELY NEW TO THE AREA.

AND, UH, FROM OUR MEETING, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WOULD PURSUE THAT.

UM, BUT FROM OBSERVATION, THEY ACTUALLY HAVEN'T.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT MAKE WHAT HAPPEN.

ANDY HAVE IT USED THE USE BY THEIR STAFF AND THEIR GUESTS.

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DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S BEING USED? IT IS BEING USED.

YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CITY OFFICES ARE SITTING RIGHT HERE.

SO WE'RE DOWN THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND I DO SEE VEHICLES GO THROUGH AND USE THAT CONNECTION.

BUT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, ONE OF THE BIG BENEFITS OF THAT PROJECT WAS ALLOWING VEHICLES TO NOT EXIT PORTAL LANE, BUT TO GO OUT TO BREWER ROAD IN ORDER TO ACCESS WEST SEDONA OR UPTOWN TO AVOID 1 79.

SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET GOOD UTILIZATION OUT OF THAT.

SO YOU'RE WORKING WITH THIS, THE GM TO TRY AND EDUCATE PEOPLE AS TO THE AVAILABILITY OF THAT ROUTE.

I, I TRIED TO UTILIZE, I SPOKE TO ANDY ABOUT THIS, SO I THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING IT HERE TONIGHT.

I TRIED TO UTILIZE THAT EXIT, BUT I COULD NOT FIND IT AND THOUGHT AND ENDED UP AT THE PROC NOW, WHICH IS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO BE USED.

SO I DID SPEAK TO ANDY ABOUT THAT.

AND BECAUSE THIS WAS CITY MONEY WENT INTO MAKING THAT AVAILABLE TO TRY TO HELP WITH, WITH THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION SITUATION.

SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT LOS SALGADOS UNDERSTAND THAT AND DOES PUT SIGNAGE IN THAT DIRECTS THE PUBLIC.

I WAS THERE IN A CAPACITY AS A CLIENT OF THE, UM, THE, THE GYM FACILITIES AT LOS SALGADOS AND TRIED TO LEAVE SO THAT I WOULD NOT ADD TO THE CONGESTION GOING TO THE BEVERLY HILL ROUNDABOUT AND COULDN'T BECAUSE IT, IT COULD NOT BE FOUND, UM, BY ME.

SO THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE AGAIN, CITY MONEY WENT INTO THAT TO MAKE IT AN IMPROVEMENT.

THEY WERE A PARTNER.

THEY NEED TO HOLD UP TO THEIR, INTO THE PARTNERSHIP.

AND I WAS VERY CONCERNED WHEN YOU FIRST REPORTED THAT, THAT SOMETHING MIGHT'VE CHANGED.

SO OUR STAFF WENT THROUGH THAT ACCESS AT ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK TODAY AND IT WAS WORKING GOOD.

WHAT ABOUT SIGNAGE, ANDY? BECAUSE I, I WAS DOWN IN THERE TOO AND IT'S REALLY NOT SIGNED WELL.

IS THAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY OR THEIRS? IT'S, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT I THINK YOU, THAT WAS THE THING THAT WE ASKED THE GM TO KIND OF PURSUE.

BUT IT'S OCCURRED TO ME SINCE THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT THERE.

FORTE.

SO RIGHT.

WE, WE DEAL IN SIGNS ALL THE TIME AND THAT'S MY JOB.

MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE WILL, WE'LL HAVE SOME, UH, SIGNS PUT TOGETHER.

WE, WE DID GET A VERBAL COMMITMENT FROM HIM THAT THEY WERE GONNA UPDATE THEIR OWN ONSITE MAP AND ADD SIGNAGE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING I FOLLOWED UP ON.

STILL HAVEN'T HEARD BACK.

SO WE JUST TALK ABOUT TODAY.

WE MIGHT JUST DO THAT OURSELVES WITH THEIR PERMISSION BECAUSE I DID ASK EMPLOYEES TO FIND THE EXIT AND THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

SO, WHICH IS THEY'LL LEARN.

THANK YOU KURT.

I THINK THEIR EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT PURSUING THE PROC NOW.

UH, ACCESS.

AND THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE CONFUSION.

CONFUSION.

SO THE NEXT SLIDE, OOPS, LET'S SEE.

IS THAT ONE? OOPS.

OKAY, SO THIS IS UH, FIVE.

YEAH, THIS IS THE SAME PROJECT AS SEND REAR RANGER INTERSECTION.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT 60% DESIGN ON THE PHOTO, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHERE THE TRANSIT HUB'S GOING TO BE.

UM, THIS IS THE SHARE USE PATH I THINK.

I THINK I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS.

YEAH, YOU ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT.

THE ONLY OTHER THING TO ADD WOULD BE THAT THE FUTURE FOREST RANGER ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.

AND WE HAVE APPLIED FOR, LET'S SEE, 5.5.

YEAH, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT.

IT'S REGIONALLY.

OH, REGIONAL PRIORITY PROJECTS LIST.

R PPL FUNDING FOR THAT.

AND UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN YOUR UPDATE LATER TONIGHT OR NOT.

OH, COOL.

, I COULD DO IT RIGHT NOW.

OH.

UM, IT'S STILL MOVING FORWARD.

THAT'S THE HOUSE BILL 25 43.

AND IT'S PASSED BOTH, UH, UM, THE HOUSE AND I THINK IT'S, UM, MOVING THROUGH THE SENATE AS WELL.

BUT IT LOOKS GOOD THAT IT'S GOING TO, TO PASS THIS SESSION.

AWESOME.

THAT'S, UH, HONORABLE MAYOR.

THAT'S THE PROJECT.

NOW WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO PUT THE POWER LINES UNDER RIGHT.

STATE ROUTE 89.

THANK YOU KURT.

NEARLY SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE AS WELL.

NOW WE'LL SKIP PAST ROBERT.

WE HAD MOVED HIS SLIDES TO THE FRONT.

WHOOPS.

AND THEN, YES, THERE YOU ARE.

YEAH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

THERE WE GO.

SIM 11, WE ARE UP TO FOUR AND A HALF MILES OF COMPLETED.

SHE'S PASS NOW IN, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD EXAMPLES OF WELL-BUILT SHARED USE PATH THERE.

UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WE DO HAVE AHO USE PATH ON FOREST ROAD, NITI TO DRY CREEK.

THAT SHARED USE PATH IS VERY

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THE FINAL ITEMS ARE THE FENCE SIGNAGE AND THERE'S A RAISED PAVEMENT CROSSWALK.

I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE FINAL ITEMS AS I RECALL.

SO THAT, THAT'LL BE COMPLETE HERE VERY SOON.

THEN WE'VE GOT THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.

UH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY AHA YOU'S PATH THAT WAS PENDING THE CONTRACT APPROVAL FROM TONIGHT, WHICH WE DO STILL NEED A MOTION ON, AS I RECALL.

AND DRY CREEK ROAD, THAT ONE IS STARTING CONSTRUCTION HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

THEN UNDER DESIGN, WE'VE GOT THE STRIPING AND SIGNING ON 1 79.

THAT'S BEEN PENDING A PERMIT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND SHOULD BE ISSUED HERE VERY SOON.

SO THAT'LL BE MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN THE HARMONY PROJECT IS, UH, YEAH, STILL GOING THROUGH PRE-DESIGN AS I BEEN DECIDED HARMONY OVER ANDANTE AND WASN'T A QUESTION OF ONE OR THE OTHER.

THE PREFERRED ROUTE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS GONNA BE ANDANTE.

WHEN WILL PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS START OR HAVE THERE, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS AND THERE WILL CONTINUE TO BE MORE THEY BEING PUBLIC OUTREACH, ARE THEY BEING WELL ATTENDED? CUZ I, I'M SURE'S SOME LANGUAGE, UH, BARRIERS AS FAR AS GETTING THEM INVITED.

SO I, I, AS I RECALL, THEY WERE, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT AS I RECALL, THEY WERE GREAT.

WHEN YOU SAID PREFERRED ROUTE, PREFERRED BY WHO? THE, THE PUBLIC OR BY THE PUBLIC.

YEAH, AND AND REALLY, UH, I THINK IT PUBLIC AND STAFF, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GO RIGHT WITH IT.

IF, IF ANOTHER ROUTE MADE SENSE, WE MIGHT FURTHER CONSIDER IT, YOU KNOW, AND GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I THINK WE AGREE WITH THE CHOICE RIGHT NOW.

YOU BET.

UM, FINALLY WE'VE GOT THE TRAVELER INFORMATION.

UM, OUR STAFF LIKE TO CALL THIS OUR TIME TRAVEL YEAH.

STRATEGY AND SIM 12, BUT NO, OUR TRAVELER INFORMATION, WE'VE BROKEN THIS INTO 12 A AND 12 B.

SO 12 A IS THE DYNAMIC MESSAGE SIGN THAT ADOT IS WORKING ON ON THEIR END RIGHT NOW.

AND THIS WOULD BE PLACED NEAR GENERAL CROOK TRAIL.

KURT HAS BEEN PLUGGED INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS ALONG WITH ADOT.

AND IS THAT STILL 60%? YES.

AND THE FINAL COMMENTS ARE DONE THROUGH PS AND E, SO, OKAY.

THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT ADVERTISING.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I JUST STOLE YOUR THUNDER.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, IT'S ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN 12 B, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR CATEGORY WHERE WE COLLECT DATA AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, AS WELL AS OUR VIDEO, UH, CAMERAS.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CAMERAS RIGHT NOW THAT ALLOW US TO ASSESS TRAFFIC CONDITIONS.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS IT TWO MORE LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW? YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE, UH, BIDS THAT'S ON YOUR DESK FOR A FOREST AND 89 8.

AND SO WE'LL BE ADDING TWO MORE CAMERAS HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT ALLOW US TO SEE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AND, UM, UM, ADJUST OUR STAFF AS NEEDED.

I CAN'T READ THAT.

YEAH, THE, THE BIG ISSUE, UM, IS THAT THESE NEXT CAMERAS WE'RE GONNA HAVE WORK WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT.

SO YOU, THE STAFF, THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND THEY'LL HAVE LIKE EVERY FIVE MINUTES OF STILL THAT YOU'LL LOOK.

WE CAN ADJUST THE CAMERAS, BUT THE, IT'LL BE A ABILITY FOR GUEST CITIZENS TO VIEW THE CAMERA TO SEE APT UPTOWN HOW THE TRAFFIC IS.

I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT WE'RE COLLECTING DATA RIGHT NOW FOR THE SPRING SEASON AND DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT AT THE MOMENT, OTHER THAN WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY SEEING HIGHER THAN NORMAL, YOU KNOW, AS WE WOULD EXPECT CONDITIONS FOR THE SPRINGTIME.

BUT IN COMPARISON TO, UH, SAY, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK BACK 19, 20, 19, 20 20, 21, 22, WE'RE NOT REALLY AT A PEAK OF THE PAST FEW YEARS.

SO WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.

RIGHT NOW, I'LL HAVE MORE AT THE NEXT SIM UPDATE ON THAT VICE MAYOR.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE INFORM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT THE, THE COMMENT THAT YOU JUST MADE WE'RE NOT AT THE PEAK OF WHERE WE WERE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

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DO YOU HAVE A GO AHEAD.

SO, SO BASICALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAST FEW YEARS, THE PEAK YEAR FOR CONGESTION, AND WE LOOK AT BOTH TRAVEL TIME DATA AS WELL AS VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC.

THE PEAK YEAR OUT OF, OUT OF THE PAST FEW HAS BEEN 2021.

AND WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW AS COMPARED TO A PRIOR YEAR? WHAT, WHAT YEAR DO YOU KNOW? WE'RE MORE COM LET'S SEE, I MIGHT HAVE IT OPEN.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE MORE IN LINE WITH, LET'S SEE, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE NUMBERS WE HAD LAST YEAR.

AND LIKE I SAID, 2021 WAS A HIGHER YEAR.

WHAT WAS INTERESTING IN 2020 IS THAT, AS YOU RECALL, WE HAD A COUPLE MONTHS WHERE EVERYONE WAS SENT HOME.

AND SO OUR, OUR VOLUMES AND TRAVEL TIME DATA JUST WENT THROUGH THE FLOOR.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A, A BOTTOM, UH, SPIKE.

AND THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT IN THE SUMMER, IT SPIKED UP TO MUCH HIGHER THAN NORMAL.

AND THEN THAT WAS FOLLOWED UP BY THE FOLLOWING YEAR IN 2021 WITH, WITH PRETTY HIGH NUMBERS AS WELL.

BUT THEN IN 2022 THINGS CAME KIND OF BACK DOWN TO NORMAL.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW JUST WITH THE LITTLE BIT OF DATA THAT WE HAVE FOR 23, IS THAT WE'RE MORE IN LINE WITH 22 IS WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

AND MY SECOND AND LAST QUESTION IS, YOU SEE THAT PHOTO THAT YOU HAVE THERE MINUTES TO SEDONA? THAT'S A, I DON'T TRAVEL THAT, I DON'T TRAVEL SOUTH THAT OFTEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, SEMI-REGULARLY, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT WHERE 1 79 WAS LESS MINUTES RIGHT.

THAN TWO 60.

AND THAT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE, ISN'T IT? SO THAT'S INTERESTING CUZ JT USED TO ALWAYS SAY THAT, AND I, I USED TO TRAVEL TO PHOENIX MORE OFTEN, SO I WOULD TAKE A PHOTO EVERY TIME I SAW IT, WHERE 1 79 WAS FASTER.

SO I CAN TELL YOU I'VE SEEN IT, BUT I COULDN'T, I HAVEN'T STUDIED IT ENOUGH TO SAY HOW OFTEN.

THE RE THE REALITY THOUGH IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL TIME DATA FROM SUNSET POINT, IT, IT'S REALLY NOT RELEVANT TO A, A TRAVELER'S DECISION ON WHICH ROUTE THEY'RE GONNA TAKE.

BECAUSE BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THAT POINT WHERE THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION, THINGS ARE DIFFERENT.

THEY'LL BE MUCH BETTER AT, AT GENERAL CROOK.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

I HAVE, GO AHEAD JESSICA.

WELL, IT, SO I THINK IT'S MISLEADING CUZ IT ALL GOES TO THE WHY.

AND SO IT TAKES YOU EIGHT MINUTES OR OR SO TO GET FROM THE ENTRANCE OF SEDONA TO THE Y AND SO IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT, IT'S SORT OF BIASED TOWARD MAKING TWO 60 TAKE LONGER IN MY VIEW.

YOU WOULD BE REALLY SURPRISED WHEN YOU SEE DESTINATION SIGNS ON THE FREEWAYS AND, UM, ADOS HIGHWAYS THERE, THERE'S LIKE A CALCULUS THAT THEY PUT INTO HOW THEY DETERMINE WHERE THAT DESTINATION POINT IS.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING TO PHOENIX AND YOU FEEL LIKE, I GOT INTO PHOENIX A LONG TIME AGO AND I STILL GOT SO MANY MILES LEFT.

15 MILES.

THERE IS A, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S, IT'S THE Y THERE IS A POINT THAT THAT DESTINATION INFORMATION IS BASED ON AND TO TRY TO GET ADOT TO CHANGE THAT WE ACTUALLY DID, DID, WE TRIED AND IT WAS LIKE, NO WAY ARE YOU GONNA CHANGE THAT LOCATION.

SO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, MOVING ALONG.

UH, IS THAT, ARE YOU DONE WITH THE I THINK WE'RE DONE.

WE'RE DONE.

ALRIGHT.

UH, BUT WE HAVE A MOTION.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO LET'S NOT FORGET THAT.

DO YOU WANT DISCUSS THAT AT ALL, BRIAN? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FOR THE MOTION OR DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT TO, UM, OH, JUST HAVE A MOTION ON THE UNDERPASS PROJECT? YES.

SEEMS LIKE WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A THREE AND A HALF DOLLAR EXPENDITURE.

THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT ANDREW WAS GOING TO BE PREPARED FOR.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, WE ARE LOOKING AT.

I WASN'T ASKING FOR THE MOTION YET.

I WAS JUST SAYING LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT FORGET IT.

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I KNOW IT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED PRE UH, PREVIOUSLY, BUT COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK? NO.

ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS UNDERPASS? IS THERE PUBLIC, UH, INPUT ON THIS ONE? I'M STOK ASKING.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ON.

NO QUESTIONS IN PARTICULAR.

UH, JOANNE? NO.

THERE ARE NO, UH, CARDS.

SO THEN WE'LL GO TO COMMENTS.

AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, COUNCIL AND SELLER? YEAH, I, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR MANY REASONS.

I THINK THAT WHAT COMES FIRST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF THE GRADE.

UNLESS YOU GIVE THEM AN ALTERNATIVE, THERE'S NO WAY TO PUSH THEM OFF USING THAT GRADE CROSSING.

I THINK THIS WILL GIVE US GOOD NUMBERS AND INFORMATION MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S A PUBLIC AMENITY AND IT'S ACCESS TO THE CREEK.

I'M NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOODING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP BECAUSE, UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, IT'S A DURABLE STRUCTURE WITH CONCRETE THAT YOU'RE BUILDING THAT PROBABLY WON'T GET DAMAGED OR AT LEAST NOT SIGNIFICANTLY IF A CROSSING IS CLOSED, UM, ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES EVEN A YEAR BECAUSE OF CONDITIONS DOWN THERE THAT MIGHT BE HAZARDOUS TO PEDESTRIANS.

THAT'S NOT DIFFERENT THAN HAVING ANY OTHER ROAD CLOSED OR LOW WATER CROSSING.

WE KNOW WE'RE DEALING WITH, WITH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ALL THE TIME.

I, I I, I THINK THIS, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD INVESTMENT FOR THE FUTURE OF SEDONA.

UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE, HOPEFULLY ONCE THIS IS IN PLACE AND WOULD BE A USED PUBLIC AMENITY CUZ I THINK IT'S BEING DESIGNED TO BE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND OFFER SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T OFFER OTHERWISE.

UM, I THINK THAT IT COULD BE THE START OF FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE CREEK THAT HELP ENLIVEN USE AND ACCESS IN A SAFE WAY FOR PEOPLE AND FOR THE ENVIRONMENT DOWN THERE THAT WE WANT TO PROTECT.

SO IT'S A PROJECT THAT I, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT.

AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT.

ANY COMMENTS ON THE SITE? COUNCIL WILLIAMSON? I THINK UNLESS WE DO THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE NO OPTIONS.

I THINK THIS PROJECT IS A, IS NECESSARY TO GIVE US OPTIONS.

I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT IT'S PART OF THE SHARED JUICE PATHS THAT PROVIDES BICYCLE ACCESS, UH, AS WELL AS HIKING ACCESS AND WALKING.

UM, SO EVEN THOUGH I, I HAD, I HAVE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT PARTICULARLY THE INCREASE IN THE COST AND THE, UM, WHETHER IT MADE SENSE GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE COULD NOT CLOSE THE CROSSWALK, BUT UNLESS WE DO THIS, WE WILL NEVER HAVE THAT OPTION.

AND SO I THINK IT'S A, IT'S, IT IS NOT GONNA GET CHEAPER AND THIS IS A, I THINK A GOOD PRICE.

IT'S CERTAINLY CHEAPER THAN THE FIRST TIME WE WENT OUT.

SO I, UM, I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

I THINK, I THINK IT IS A GOOD AMENITY AND I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH AS SO IT BECOMES SOMETHING PEOPLE WANNA DO.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT VICE MAYOR ANYTHING, AND I'M VERY CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT AMENITY, BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.

AND I, I, I'M TAKEN BY COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON'S COMMENTS THAT IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL NEVER HAVE AN OPTION.

, UH, I WISH THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND $3 MILLION AND WE COULD JUST CLOSE THE CROSSWALK, BE MUCH SIMPLER.

ALTHOUGH I DO THINK IT WOULD, WOULD BE A NICE AMENITY TO HAVE, BUT NOT FOR THE PURPOSE THAT WE'RE BUILDING IT FOR.

BUT I'M, I'M GONNA SUPPORT IT, BUT I, I, I'M CONFLICTED COUNCIL DUNN, SO I'LL START OUT BY SAYING I SUPPORT IT.

UM, LIKE THE VICE MAYOR, I HAD A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT ITS VALUE SORT OF FROM THE CONVERSATIONS I HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS AND, UM, THINKING ABOUT WHERE IT IS AND THE CROSSWALK AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

HOWEVER, IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME THAT WHEN YOU START TO TAKE THE UNDERPASS, PLUS THE FACT THAT WE WILL BE DOING SOME WARRANT STUDIES TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE STILL WANT TO USE THE CROSSWALK, AND YOU TAKE TOGETHER BREWER ROAD AND THE PORTAL EXTENSION AND ALL THE OTHER LITTLE PIECES THAT, UM, WE, WE ALWAYS SEE AS STANDALONE AND YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER, YOU GET THIS BIGGER PICTURE ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA TRY AND, UM, EASE PEDESTRIAN AND TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS A VERY POPULAR AREA FOR, FOR VISITORS AND, AND FOR RESIDENTS

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ALIKE.

SO, UM, THAT UNDERSTANDING, WHICH WAS NEW TO ME, UH, MAKES ME UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU MIGHT AT SOME POINT WANNA PRESENT THEM ALL TOGETHER INSTEAD AS INDEPENDENT PROJECTS SO PEOPLE CAN KIND OF SEE THE, THE LARGE PICTURE THAT, UM, I HADN'T REALLY SEEN UNTIL, UNTIL THIS WEEK.

SO, UM, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE AND IT, I JUST FEEL WE NEED PERHAPS TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE AWARENESS RAISING.

CAN I, OH, I WAS JUST, I'M SORRY.

I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THAT THAT OVERALL, UM, UPDATE LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR WOULD INCLUDE AN OVERALL TRAFFIC, UH, MODEL THAT SHOWS THE, THE ACCUMULATION OF PROJECTS AND THEIR, THEIR COMBINED, UM, IMPACT ON CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC PLOW.

SO THANK YOU.

YOU BET.

I HATE THE THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PRICE TAG.

I HATE SPENDING THREE AND A HALF MILLION TO FIND OUT WHETHER WE HAVE AN OPTION TO, UH, ELIMINATE THE CROSSWALK.

BUT I WILL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE, AS COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON SAID, WE DON'T PONY UP.

WE'LL NEVER HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS FOR HOW TO ELIMINATE IT.

SO I CONCUR WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND I FEEL THE SAME, UH, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS A LONG TIME NOW WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AND I SEE THE WHOLE, LIKE, COUNCIL DUN SAID, IT'S THE WHOLE GROUP OF, UH, ISSUES IN THE SAME AREA.

IF WE DO NOTHING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE.

AND THAT'S WHY I, I AGREE WITH MY, MY OTHER FELLOW COUNSELORS HERE.

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THIS PRICE.

AND IT'S ALMOST LESS THAN HALF OF, WAS IT WHAT IT WAS WAS BEFORE THE FIRST BID IS TERRIBLE.

BUT IT IS, THIS IS THE NATURE OF THE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW.

AND IF WE WANT TO GET A QUALITY BUILDER, UH, AND I THINK WE ARE, I THINK THE CONTRACTOR IS A VERY CAPABLE QUALITY, HIGH QUALITY, UH, CONTRACTOR.

THIS IS A PRICE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER TWO PRICES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT, THE OTHER, THE OTHER TWO BIDS, THIS MAKES SENSE.

BUT IT IS REALLY DISTASTEFUL, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SO I DO SUPPORT IT.

CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION PLEASE? COUNSEL WILLIAMSON, I MOVE TO APPROVE AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH JAY BANE, BAKKE CONSTRUCTION, INC.

FOR THE SR 1 79 PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $3,461,567 AND 15 CENTS.

OH, ISN'T THAT PARDON ME? FOR THE BASE BID AND BID ALTERNATIVE ITEM ONE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

I JUMPED THE GUN.

I'LL SECOND THAT NOW.

ALL, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS.

JOANNE.

YOU SAID IT'S GONNA BE DONE BY THIS FALL, RIGHT? ANDY? THIS SUMMER? NO, TOMORROW.

TOMORROW.

AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY GOOD WORK ON GETTING IT IN THE BID TO COME IN AT, AT THE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CHOKING ALL OF US, BUT I KNOW YOU WORKED REALLY HARD AT ON THAT.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NINE MONTHS AND I WOULD JUST THROW OUT THERE THAT BAN IS A GOOD SOLID CONTRACTOR, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH THEM ON THIS.

ISN'T IT BANAR? THE ONE I DID THE UPTOWN YEP.

THE SOUTHBOUND LANE AND CAME IN UNDER TIME, LIKE BY, OVER A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

YEAH, THAT WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

AND THEY, THEY WERE VERY, I HAD THE PROBLEM SAYING THIS BEFORE THEY COMMUNICATED WELL WITH THE MERCHANTS UPTOWN.

THE, UM, THE GENERAL PA PLAN BILL THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH REPRESENTATIVE BLISS ON THIS SESSION, AN UPDATE ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT MAYBE START WITH A JUST KIND OF AN OVERALL LEGISLATIVE UPDATE AND WHERE WE ARE WITH BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS AND WHERE WE ARE, UM, IN THIS SESSION.

SO I'M SURE THEY'LL DO THE SAME WITH, UH, KAKA.

LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

SO WE GOTTA TURN THE LIGHTS ON.

OH, OKAY.

WAKE UP.

JOANNE.

HI, JOANNE, ARE YOU, HEY, ITEM D A B 28 61.

DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION SLASH ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION AND STATE BUDGET, AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THE CITY OF SEDONA, WHAT I BELIEVE BELIEVE, UM, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

UM, WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY, UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TWO GUESTS WITH US.

WE HAVE OUR, UM, LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATES, PAUL SENSEMAN AND TODD BOWMAN ARE WITH US TODAY.

AND WHAT I ASKED, UH, TODD AND PAUL TO DO, UM, WAS TO KIND OF DO, UH, AN UPDATE ON HOUSE BILL 2044,

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SO IF WE CAN START WITH THAT MAYOR AND COUNSEL, AND THEN WE CAN GO, UM, INTO SOME SPECIFIC BILL DISCUSSIONS AFTER THAT.

HELLO, GENTLEMEN, NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

THEY DIDN'T HEAR ME.

OH, SORRY.

, CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN NOW? YES.

SORRY, MY DAD.

NOT AT ALL.

SO YOU MISSED MY INTRODUCTION, .

I, I'M SURE.

I'M SURE WE MISSED A, SO, UM, UH, TODD AND PAUL WELCOME, ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU, UH, FOR OUR COUNCIL MEETING TODAY.

WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO DO IS JUST TO START WITH KIND OF A GENERAL, UM, OVERVIEW OF KINDA WHERE WE ARE IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UH, AN A BUDGET UPDATE, AND THEN SOME UPDATES ON, UH, 2044 AND THEN OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, DISCUSSIONS THIS SESSION.

SO IF I COULD TURN IT OVER TO YOU, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANKS, JOAN.

I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME AND COUNSEL.

I'M GRATEFUL TO, UH, TO JOIN US TONIGHT.

SORRY WE COULDN'T BE IN PERSON.

UH, UH, WE'VE HAD A CHAOTIC SOMETIMES, UH, UH, UH, OCCASIONALLY STRESSFUL.

AND, UM, AND, AND I THINK I, I DON'T THINK AN EXAGGERATION TO SAY HAD DIFFICULT, UH, AND CHALLENGING LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS SO FAR.

AND, UM, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IS THE CASE FOR, UH, ANY NUMBER OF, UH, OF CURRENT INTERESTS THAT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UH, OF BUSINESS BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE, INCLUDING, UH, A NUMBER OF CITIES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

AND SO I'M GONNA LET TODD, UH, DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING SO FAR, OVERVIEW, UM, AND, AND THE BUDGET.

AND THEN WE WILL, UM, WE'LL PROCEED, UH, AS, AS JOANNE DESCRIBED IN 2044 IN SHORT TERM RENTAL.

YOU'LL WRAP, WE'LL WRAP UP STUFF.

ANTICIPATED, IT WILL DON'T WANT TO SPEND WE'LL KIND OF REIGN THAT'LL GIVE THEM AN IMPETUS TO REIGN, UH, IN SPENDING AND IF THE NUMBERS THAT MAY A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY, UH, TO BEGIN TO SPEND.

THANK YOU PAUL.

AND THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

GET TO, UH, BE BEFORE YOU.

WISH WE WERE THERE IN PERSON, BUT, UH, THANKS FOR LETTING MR. VIRTUALLY.

LIKE PAUL SAID, WE ARE, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN OUR FOURTH MONTH OF LEGISLATIVE SESSION RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE'RE AT DAY NUMBER 93, WHICH, UH, TYPICALLY IT'S A HUNDRED DAYS.

UM, THAT'S WHAT THE RULE HAS.

BUT WE WILL EXTEND, UH, WELL BEYOND THAT THIS YEAR.

IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, APRIL 22ND IS THE HUNDREDTH DAY, AND, UH, THAT'S NEXT WEEK.

SO, UH, UNLESS WE GET A BUDGET, UH, NEXT WEEK AND GET OUTTA HERE, WHICH IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

UH, IT'S LIKE EXTEND BEYOND.

SO CURRENTLY WE'RE AT THE POINT OF SESSION WHERE THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMITTEES HAVE BEEN, HAVE WRAPPED UP.

SO BILLS HAVE MADE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE HOUSE WITH THE SENATE COMMITTEES, AND NOW THEY'RE SITTING THERE.

THE ONES THAT HAVE MADE IT, UH, THROUGH, ARE SITTING, WAITING TO BE HEARD ON THE FLOOR.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE SEE, UH, MOST DAYS DOWN AT THE CAPITOL.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S, THERE'S, UH, FLOOR ACTION, WHETHER IT'S COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE OR THIRD READS, AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC WORK AT LEAST IS HAPPENING.

BUT BEHIND THE SCENES, THIS IS THE TIME OF YEAR WHEN THE BUDGET REALLY STARTS TO RAMP UP.

AND SO THE NEGOTIATIONS, UM, UH, APPEAR TO, TO BE HAPPENING BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

OUR GOP CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE, UH, BOTH, BOTH ACROSS THE SENATE AND THEN, UM, A DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T FACED IN SEVERAL YEARS.

UM, AND, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, THAT WE'RE FACING THIS YEAR.

AND SO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS APPEAR TO BE WORKING TOWARDS, UM, UH, SOME SORT OF BUDGET RESOLUTION IS A GOOD SIGN.

NO, THE, THE GUESS ON WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GET THERE IS, UH, UP IN THE AIR.

UH, UM, ONE THING THAT THEY, THAT THEY WILL BE DOING IS THIS THURSDAY IS, IS KIND OF A, A KEY DATE, UM, FOR, UH, A LOT OF THE FOLKS DOWN AT THE CAPITOL THAT, THAT WE'RE WATCHING AT NOON ON THURSDAY, IF THERE'S A FINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING.

AND THAT IS A, A GROUP OF ECONOMISTS, UM, THAT COME TOGETHER.

UM, AND THEY, THEY ANALYZE, THEY DISCUSS, AND THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT, UH, WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE AND IF THEY'VE MET THE PROJECTIONS, IF WHERE THEY SEE THE STATE HEADED.

AND THAT WILL REALLY, UH, IMPACT THESE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.

BECAUSE WHAT THEY'LL DO IS IF, UH, NUMBERS ARE NOT AS GOOD AS

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SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE WATCHING VERY CLOSELY.

BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THIS BUDGET, UM, THAT IS, IS A AGREED TO MODEL, HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT ONE TIME SPENDING, UH, VERSUS ONGOING SPENDING THE STATE, UH, WITH ANY SURPLUS THAT WE DO HAVE.

I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS ARE ANTICIPATING A SESSION, SO BEING VERY CAUTIOUS OF ANY ONGOING SPEND.

SO THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE WE ARE, UM, AT, AT THIS, UH, POINT OF SESSION.

I DID WANTED TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OTHER ISSUES BEFORE I TURN IT BACK OVER TO PAUL.

UM, HOUSE BILL 2044 WAS THE LEAGUE RESOLUTION THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA TOOK TO THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR AT THE LEAGUE CONFERENCE.

AND THE LEAGUE, UH, ADOPTED WAS A RESOLUTION THAT THEY TOOK BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR, WAS THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT BILL THAT, UH, YOU ALL HAD REQUESTED.

UH, STOPPING BILLS THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY HELPFUL, UM, UH, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD.

REPRESENTATIVE BLITZ, UH, ENDED UP RUNNING THAT BILL.

AND I, I DO JUST WANNA MENTION THAT SHE HAS BEEN A PHENOMENAL, UH, ADVOCATE TO YOU ALL.

I'LL SAY PARTICULARLY ON THIS BILL.

SHE HAS, UH, SHE HAS FOUGHT HARD FOR THIS.

UM, IT, WHAT I PASSED THROUGH THE HOUSE WITHOUT ANY ISSUES.

UM, IT DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY, UH, NO VOTE, WHAT WAS THAT BOARD COMMITTEE AND ON THE FLOOR AND HOW, BUT WHEN IT WENT OVER TO THE SENATE, UM, IT, UH, WAS ASSIGNED TO COMMITTEE AND STALLED OUT A COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T RECEIVE HEARING COMMITTEE.

AND THAT WAS NOT FOR LACK OF EFFORT FROM REPRESENTATIVE BLISS.

UH, SHE, SHE, UH, WORKED, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO REACH OUT, WORKED, DID EVERYTHING THAT SHE COULD, AND THE LEAGUE, UH, REACHED OUT AS WELL TO, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, AND SENATE AND TRIED TO SHAKE LOOSE TO GET A HEARING, BUT ULTIMATELY, UNFORTUNATELY, DID NOT RECEIVE A HEARING.

UM, BLISS AND HER EFFORTS BOTH IN PERSON, VERBALLY AND, UH, VIA EMAIL, UM, WAS ABLE TO, TO CONNECT WITH THE SENATE THOUGH, AND, UM, GET A COMMITMENT THAT IF THERE IS A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT, UH, AND CLARITY AROUND WHAT SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE, A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, THAT IT COULD, WOULD GET A HEARING NEXT YEAR.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I JUST WANT TO, I THINK HAS BEEN REPRESENTATIVE BLITZ HAS BEEN, UM, WORKING REALLY AROUND THIS.

AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO GO ON MANAGE AND THAT SHE KNOWS THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR SEDONA AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHE WANTS TO CONTINUE TO KEEP, UH, KEEP ON WITH.

AND THEN FINALLY, I WOULD JUST MENTION THE OHP ISSUE.

I KNOW THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FOR, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, UH, STUDY COMMITTEE THAT WAS, UH, PUT IN, UH, CODIFIED LAST YEAR, UM, HAS HASN'T, UH, TOOK TOTALLY COME TOGETHER YET.

I'VE CONTINUED TO TRY AND ENGAGE WITH STAFF TO SEE WHEN THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, AND, UH, JUST REITERATE THE DESIRE OF, UH, TO THE CITY, SEDONA, AND OUR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE IN THAT AND BE A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS IT MOVES, MOVES FORWARD.

UM, AND THEN ON THE OHP, THERE IS A BILL, UM, SENATE BILL OF 1100, UH, THAT WAS INTRODUCED BY SENATOR CAROL.

UM, THAT, UH, DEALS WITH OHP DEFINITION AND IT INCREASES THE BILL WEIGHT 2,500 TO 3,500, UM, FOR AN OHP AND CITY OF SEDONA.

UM, WE ARE SIGNED IN OPPOSED TO THAT BILL I MENTIONED.

UM, THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE SIGNED AND OPPOSED AS WELL, A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS, THE SIERRA CLUB AS OPPOSED TO IT, UM, THAT MADE ITS WAY OUT OF THE SENATE AND IN, IN THE HOUSE AS WELL.

IT HAD A HEARING IN THE, THE LA IT WAS ONE OF THE LAST WEEKS OF COMMITTEE THAT HAD PASSED THROUGH A HOUSE COMMITTEE AS WELL.

SO IT, IT, UH, IT WOULD BE UP FOR A FINAL VOTE IN THE HOUSE.

UM, THAT'S ITS NEXT FINAL STEP IN THE LEGISLATURE, AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE GOVERNOR FOR HER DECISION ON A SIGNATURE OR VETO.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT ISSUE.

IT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO JUST TO, UM, NOTE, UH, MAYOR COUNSEL AGAIN THAT MORE BILLS HAVE BEEN VETOED THIS YEAR, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN SIGNED, AND THAT'S, WHILE IT'S NOT, UH, HISTORICALLY THE LARGEST TOTAL SUM TOTAL YET.

UM, IT IS, UH, IT'S FA IT'S RAPIDLY APPROACHING, UH, THAT POINT.

SO THERE, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONTENTION, AND SOME OF THAT IS, IS, UH, UH, IT'S WEATHER THAT'S GENERATING, UM, ADDITIONAL STORMS ITSELF.

UH, MEMBERS ARE CLEARLY SENDING SOME BILLS UP TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE THAT THEY HAVE, UH, THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS SIGNALED THAT SHE'S GONNA VETO AND, UM, UH, AND HAS PROBLEMS WITH.

SO IT'S, IT'S GENERATING SOME MORE BILLS THAT ARE, UH, NOT HELPFUL.

IT'S ALSO, UH,

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SO IT'S HAD, IT'S HAD A LOT OF REALLY INTERESTING EFFECTS AND SOME THAT ARE CONTINUING.

SO RIGHT NOW, UM, UH, I WANT TO MENTION THE HOUSING, UH, BILLS.

YOU ALL ARE QUITE FAMILIAR, AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL SPOKEN ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS ABOUT, UM, UH, THE, UH, BY WRIGHT LEGISLATION THAT WAS PROCEEDING IN ORIGINALLY IN SENATOR KAISER'S UH, SENATE BILL 1117, THAT THAT LEGISLATION DIED IN UNCEREMONIOUS DEATH IN THE SENATE, UH, BY, ON THE SENATE FLOOR BY A VOTE OF NINE TO 20.

SO VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.

IT HAS BEEN, HOWEVER REVIVED I, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR, IT'S REVIVED, UM, IN PRIMARILY IN SENATE BILL 1161.

THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER, UM, CHALLENGING MEASURE IN SENATE BILL, UM, 1163.

EACH OF EM REMAIN ALIVE.

THEY, THEY STRIKE EVERYTHING, AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ATTACHED ONTO, UH, KAISER BILLS IN THE HOUSE.

UH, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, CONTINUE THROUGH THE HOUSE FLOOR AND THEN RETURN BACK OVER TO THE SENATE FLOOR FOR A FULL, UH, FOR A FULL, FOR A FULL VOTE.

THEY'RE NOT IDENTICAL MEASURES TO THE ORIGINAL 1117.

HE'S WORKING TO TRY TO, UH, TO PICK UP VOTES.

BUT THERE IS A, UM, MORE THAN RUMOR, THERE'S BEEN A CONSERVATIVE EFFORT TO TRY TO ORGANIZE, UM, A NUMBER OF ENTITIES ON BOTH, FRANKLY, THE POLITICAL SPEC ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.

BOTH OF, UH, PROGRESSIVE, UH, DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF, OF, UH, OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE HAD JOINED FORCES WITH SOME OF THESE MEMBERS, UH, OF THE, OF THE FREEDOM CAUCUS, UM, IN SUPPORT OF SOME OF THESE, UH, PREEMPTIVE, UM, IN MUNICIPALLY PREEMPTIVE MEASURES.

AND SO IT'S COST FITS FOR ALL OF US.

UH, UM, AND, AND FRANKLY, JUST QUICKLY AS A SEGUE ON, ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL BILL, THIS REMAINS AN ISSUE THAT I'M A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING A ATTACHED AND INCORPORATED INTO AS A, AS A LEVERAGE POINT.

WE DON'T WANT OUR, UM, WHAT IS A SIGNIFICANT AND GROWING AND, AND, UH, VERY REAL ISSUE WITH, WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO SOME LEGISLATION AS A, UM, AS A WAY TO TRY TO GARNER VOTES THAT, UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, WILL, UH, UH, COULD VERY WELL SEE.

AND I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, BETTER THAN 50 50 CHANCE, IF YOU COULD SEE THIS GOVERNOR AND, AND SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT SHE'S MADE SO FAR.

UH, AND I DON'T DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HER, SHE'S NOT MADE ANY COMMITMENTS ON THIS.

BUT, UH, SO, UH, MAKE NO MISTAKE THAT SHE, SHE HAS, UM, EVERY ABILITY STILL SIGN THIS BILL.

BUT I THINK THE LIKELIHOOD OF HER SIGNING EITHER ONE OF THOSE MEASURES IS PRETTY SLIM MEMBERS KNOW THAT.

BUT WITH A COMBINED COALITION OF CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS AND CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS, IT'S, IT CAN CREATE A LOSS OF PRIVACY.

WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OTHER MEASURES THAT ARE OF GREAT CONCERN TO THE CITY, SEDONA, DON'T GET, UM, UH, LEVERAGE SOMEHOW, APPROPRIATELY.

IT DOES MEAN.

HOWEVER, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, UM, UH, TO AT THE, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL DIRECTION YOUR ALL DIRECTION TO CONTINUE TO LOOK, UH, FOR EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE THIS MATTER.

AND DR.

BLIS HAS DONE, AS TODD DESCRIBED, IN, IN, IN THESE OTHER MATTERS.

SHE'S, SHE'S DONE MORE THAN HER FAIR, SHERRY YOUNG'S WORK WITH US HOUSE SPEAKER AND SPEAKER STAFF TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH WHAT THEIR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN AND, AND, UM, AND HAVE MADE SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS, I THINK FROM WHAT WAS, UM, UM, AVE A VERY STERN AND COMPLETE OPPOSITION TO ANY KIND OF A SOLUTION SET THAT WOULD REOPEN THIS ISSUE, AGAIN, TO THE DISTINCT POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD SORT THROUGH AND, AND, AND WORK OUT SOME KIND OF LIMITED MEASURE THAT WOULD HELP OUR CITY IN SPECIFIC, UM, BECAUSE OF THE ACUTE NATURE AND UNIQUE NATURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON TO, UM, UH, TO ADDRESS OUR NEEDS.

AND, UH, I CAN TELL YOU WE'VE ALSO WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE, UH, WITH THE FOLKS IN LAKE HAVASU CITY.

THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, UM, UM, UH, TWO SIGNIFICANT MEMBERS IN THE LEADERSHIP, UH, BOTH THE HOUSE AND ANDS, AND THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS ISSUE AND HAVE, UM, AND HAVE, UH, ALSO BEEN WORKING IN AN, IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE SPEAKER AND HIS STAFF ON IT AS WELL.

SO, WHILE I WOULD, I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD YOU, I DON'T THINK, UM, I DON'T THINK OUR CHANCES ARE VERY GOOD, FRANKLY, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE WAY THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE GONE SO FAR IN THIS LATEST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE ANY HEADWAY, UH, OR GET US ACROSS THE FINISH LINE TO A, TO A POINT WHERE A BOTH MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDER, UH, COMMUNITY COULD, UM, COULD RALLY TO A, UM, AN AGREEABLE AND, AND, AND MEASURED RESPONSE FOR, UH, TAILORED TO US, UH, TO RESOLVE OUR PROBLEM.

I DO THINK WE HAVE PUT OURSELVES INTO A POSITION THAT WE CAN CONTINUE IF, IF, IF THAT IS YOUR WILL AND DESIRE, THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PURSUE THIS, UM, MATTER IN A PRODUCTIVE FASHION WITH THE CURRENT, WITH THIS CURRENT MAKEUP OF THIS LEGISLATURE, AND PERHAPS, UM, GET A SOLUTION THAT CAN HELP US GET THESE THINGS UNDER CONTROL.

UM, AS

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I KNOW YOU'VE ALL EXPRESSED, UH, YOUR STRONG DESIRE TO DO SO.

UH, SO WITH THOSE LOOMING, UH, UH, NASTY BILLS, PREEMPTIVE BILLS THAT WE'RE, THAT EVERYBODY'S BATTLING AND FIGHTING AND, AND WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESS IN, THERE'S STILL, UH, THERE'S STILL A LOT LEFT TO, UH, TO, UH, TO RESOLVE AND, UH, UM, UM, AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO PURSUE WHATEVER POTENTIAL AVENUES THOSE COULD INCLUDE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, AS TODD'S MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT OF MISCHIEF THAT CAN OCCUR.

UH, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME POTENTIAL WINDOWS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME SOLUTIONS TO BE HAD WHILE MEMBERS ARE, UM, UM, ARE NO LONGER PREOCCUPIED WITH THEIR, UH, RIGOROUS COMMITTEE HEARING SCHEDULES AND, UM, UH, AND LENGTHY FLOOR VOTES.

THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER AND WORK WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

SO WE WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO PURSUE, UH, EVERY OPPORTUNITY, BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A, REMAINS A PRETTY BIG HILL OF DECLINE, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE MAKEUP OF THIS LEGISLATURE.

SO, WITH THAT, LET US ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR CURIOSITIES OTHER ABOUT WHAT WE'VE COVERED OR ANY OTHER ISSUES OR MATTERS BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS.

WELL, SCOTT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UM, HI, MAYOR, FOR, UM, MOVING FORWARD FOR NEXT SESSION.

DO YOU SEE ANY, AND WE'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE, ANY POINT IN GOING AND TRYING TO, UH, WORK, UH, STATEWIDE TO THE REAL ESTATE LOBBYISTS, CUZ THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS THAT FEEL THE SAME WAY AS WE DO, AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING.

DO YOU THINK, DO YOU SEE ANY POINT IN THAT OR WOULD, WOULD THAT BE OH, JUST A, UH, A WASTE OF OUR TIME AS WELL? YOU KNOW, UM, MAYOR, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, IT WOULD BE A, WE CERTAINLY WANNA WORK WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SEEMS WITH THEIR BROADER ISSUES.

UH, UH, AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT THEY HAVE, UH, HAVE MANY HAVE EXPRESSED, UH, INTEREST IN THESE, IN THESE MATTERS, PERHAPS, UH, MANY MORE PROFOUNDLY THAN OUR, UM, SIMILAR RULE, GREATER ARIZONA, UH, MUNICIPALITIES AND MEMBERS.

THERE ARE SOME OF THE URBAN FOLKS THAT, THAT WOULD LOVE TO PURSUE THIS FURTHER.

SO I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO EVER, UM, UH, WITH, GIVEN THIS CURRENT MAKEUP, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO STOP HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

BUT I ALSO THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING, UM, EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO PERFORM SOMETHING MORE SURGICAL, UH, IF THAT GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE OF, OF, UH, OF GETTING SOME, UM, SOME PROGRESS MADE.

AND SO, I HATE TO ANSWER IT BOTH WAYS, UH, YOUR SOUNDS LIKE I AM, BUT I, I THINK THE ANSWER IS WE WOULD, WE WOULD PARALLEL PURSUE BOTH OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, BOTH, UH, A MORE STATEWIDE POSITION AS WELL.

AND FRANKLY, DR.

BLISS AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT VERY SUBJECT AND, AND, AND, AND NO SMALL WAYS RESULT OF, OF, OF YOU AND, AND, UH, AND VICE MAYOR'S CONVERSATION.

IT'S MOST RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH HER.

UM, SHE IS, UH, MAYBE NEW AND MAYBE STILL A FRESH TO MEMBER OF THE CLASS, BUT HER, HER BOTH, HER CREDIBILITY AND HER INFLUENCE ARE RISING PRECIPITOUSLY IN HER INTEREST IN THIS, IN THIS ISSUE REMAINS STRONG.

SO SHE'S, SHE'S LOOKING AT BOTH POSSIBILITIES, EITHER A, UH, I KNOW, UM, SHE'S LOOKING AT, AT, AT SOMETHING THAT COULD APPLY TO EACH AND EVERY MUNICIPALITY, AS WELL AS THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING BEING TAILORED AND MAKING A MORE INCREMENTAL APPROACH THAT WOULD START WITH, UH, WITH THOSE THAT ARE SUFFERING THE MOST, LIKE THE CITY OF SEDONA.

SO, UM, I, I, I THINK WE PURSUE BOTH HERE.

I THINK BOTH CONTINUE TO BE A POSSIBILITY.

UH, UM, I KNOW THAT IF WE ARE, IF WE ARE GONNA MAKE A SURGICAL APPROACH, AND YOU, YOU GOT THIS, UM, I THINK BACK, UH, PRETTY LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE HOUSE LEADERSHIP, BUT I THINK YOU FIND IT TO BE ARTICULATED IN A VERY SIM SIMILAR WAY IN THE SENATE LEADERSHIP THAT, UM, THAT AS, AS WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND THEIR STAFF, UH, THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN A STATEWIDE SOLUTION.

THEY WOULD, THEY ARE, THEY ARE, THEY'RE MOVED BY YOUR PERSUASIVE ARGUMENTS, UH, ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ACUTELY IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'D HAVE TO TRY TO CONTINUE THIS, THIS DUAL APPROACH AND BE REALLY, UH, FORTHRIGHT WITH THEM ABOUT, UM, OUR DESIRE TO, UH, UH, MAKE THIS APPLY STATEWIDE.

BUT UNDERSTAND THAT IF THAT'S NOT WHERE THEY'RE AT AND THEY'RE UNWILLING TO BUDGE ON IT, WE'D HOPE THAT THEY'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US CAREFULLY AND, AND WITH, UH, ON SOMETHING THAT'S MORE, MUCH MORE TAILORED AND AND LIMITED TO THOSE THAT ARE SUFFERING THE MOST.

WELL, A AFTER THE MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, NO, NOT TO GET ANYWHERE, IT'S JUST VERY DISAPPOINTING.

I MEAN, WE SHARED EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CASUALTIES OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND IT DIDN'T REALLY SEEM TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND IF HE CAN STOP THE BILL FROM EVEN MOVING FORWARD AT THAT POINT, THAT'S REALLY DISAPPOINTING.

SO, ALL

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UH, VICE MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TODD.

HI, TODD.

HI, PAUL.

UH, TODD, DO, THIS IS ON 2044.

DO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A TIMELINESS TO THIS NEXT SESSION IS TOO LATE? I MEAN, IT'LL BE FINE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT IT'S TOO LATE TO AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE FOR 2024.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD AN ELECTION IN TIME UNLESS PERHAPS IT WAS PASSED ON THE FIRST DAY OF JANUARY, FIRST SESSION, AND EVEN THEN, I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO GET THERE.

BUT DO, DO THEY APPRECIATE, AND, AND SO THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE.

QUESTION NUMBER TWO IS THEY MIGHT CONSIDER IT IF THEY LIKE OUR PLAN, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY? IF THEY LIKE THE CONTENT YES, THE CONTENT OF OUR PLAN, I MEAN, THAT REALLY SHOULD BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY'RE MISSING THE POINT HERE.

UM, THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, I, YOU KNOW, TO THE FACT OF DO THEY APPRECIATE, UM, THE, THE, THE NATURE OF THE TIMING OF THIS, UM, IT, IT'S BEEN CLEARLY EXPLAINED, UH, THAT, UM, TO, TO THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SITUATION IS.

UM, AND, AND NOT, NOT JUST THE TIMING, BUT WHAT THIS WOULD DO, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS WOULD GIVE THE VOTERS THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT THAT, THAT YOU ALL ADOPTED.

UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS COMMUNICATED THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE TO SEE MORE INSIGHT INTO, UH, WHAT THAT PLAN WOULD BE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE EXTENT THAT, UH, YOU ALL HAVE NOT ADOPTED A, YOU KNOW, A PLAN YET, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SHARE IDEAS, YOU COULD SHARE BULLET POINTS, YOU CAN SHARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE.

UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO SEE MORE INSIGHT INTO THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE, WE CAN SHARE WHAT WE CAN SHARE.

AND, YOU KNOW, SITTING HERE TODAY WITH THE DEADLINES OF COMMITTEES, IT, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK WE, WE'VE DONE ALL WE CAN IN THAT REGARD.

SO, UM, FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, I UNDERSTAND THIS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE, JUST THE ABILITY TO GO TO AN ELECTION AND ONE, A BILL, YOU KNOW, BECOMES LAW TYPICALLY 90 DAYS AFTER A SIGNY DIE, WHICH IF THEY DON'T SIGNY DIE UNTIL JUNE NEXT YEAR, IT'S 90 DAYS AFTER THAT.

IF THERE'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, UM, AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE ON THAT, IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC FOR GOING OUT TO AN ELECTION.

SO, UM, IT'S, UH, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED.

SO JUST TO, JUST TO ADD AS WELL, MAY, MAY, I JUST, MAY I ADD, AND, AND, UH, IT, IT IS, TODD AND I HAVE HAD, UH, , WE'VE SPENT A, WE'VE SPENT A PROBABLY INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT IN THE WORLD THIS MEMBER'S TRYING TO, TRYING TO, TO, TO ACCOMPLISH SO THAT WE CAN EITHER NEGOTIATE OR MEET HALFWAY, PERHAPS, OR, OR, OR, OR JUST SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS TO SEE IF THERE'S AN ISSUE.

AND, UM, AND EVEN THAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION THOUGH, IT'S HAPPENING AND, AND, UH, IN, IN, IN, IN NO SMALL PART IN DR.

BLISS'S, UH, UH, PURSUITS, IT'S DIFFICULT EVEN, EVEN HAVING THE CONVERSATION'S BEEN DIFFICULT, UH, AND, AND, AND STUNTED.

SO, UH, WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

AND IT, AND IT, IT IS TO YOUR POINT THAT THE CONTENT SHOULDN'T MATTER, BE IRRELEVANT.

WE OBVIOUSLY AGREED WHOLEHEARTEDLY, UM, AS DID THE ENTIRE NEARLY UNANIMOUS MEMBERS THAT THERE'S A COUPLE THAT WEREN'T PRESENT OR ONE THAT WASN'T PRESENT.

UM, UH, I BELIEVE THAT.

AND SO THEY AGREED.

UH, BUT WE HAVE A, A UNIQUE COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN WHO, UM, WHO WHO IS IN ALL IN, IN, IN, HE'S, HE'S DEEP IN THE WEEDS, AND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, OF MICROSCOPIC, UM, UH, KIND OF FORENSIC STYLE, UH, DEEP REVIEW, UH, THAT'S GOING ON FOR A LOT OF, OF THESE MEASURES.

SO, UM, UM, IT'S, IT IS DIFFERENT AND UNEXPECTED, FRANKLY.

THAT OF VICE MAYORS AS WELL AS THE MAYOR LAKE HOUSE SIOUX CITY'S PRESENCE ACTUALLY DID MOVE THE NEEDLE FOR US.

UH, MELISSA, ANYTHING? OKAY, KATHY.

PETE, OKAY.

UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR PAUL AND TODD, BUT, UM, EXCEPT I'LL SEE, GO AHEAD.

I JUST ADD ONE QUICK, ONE QUICK BRIEF COMMENT JUST TO ADD TO YOUR, TO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE, THE TAKEAWAY FROM THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE.

I THINK IT ACTUALLY, I THINK YOUR CONVERSATION

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IT DID NOT, IT IS DISAPPOINTING.

IT DID NOT MOVE IT IMMEDIATELY AND IN A CONSTRUCTIVE, INVISIBLE FASHION I WOULD HAVE OF LEGISLATION THIS YEAR.

BUT, UH, I, I WOULD CONTENT, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT, THAT BASED UPON MY CONVERSATIONS FOLLOWING THAT MEETING, UH, AND WITH BOTH DR.

BLISS AND, AND SPEAKER TOM AS WELL AS HIS STAFF TEAM, THAT, THAT THEY HAVE A NEW APPRECIATION FOR JUST WHAT THE DEPTH OF THIS PROBLEM IS, AND FRANKLY, UM, THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU ALL HAVE UTILIZED ALL OF YOUR AUTHORITIES AND, UM, AS A COUNCIL TO GO AS FAR AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN TO HELP, UH, UH, DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE ABILITIES THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND, AND I, AND I THINK THAT WAS ALSO VERY PERSUASIVE TO, TO, FOR LAKE KASU CITY MAYOR TO EXPLAIN, UH, A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION THAT THEY'RE CONFRONTING.

AND SO I, WHILE IT DID NOT OBVIOUSLY RESULT IN THE KIND OF ACTION IN THIS SESSION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IT ACTUALLY WAS QUITE PERSUASIVE AND ON, ON, ON ISSUES THAT, THAT THEY HAVE, UM, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE HAD A LOT OF FAMILIARITY WITH, AND THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, UM, THAT THEY SHARED WITH ME IN THAT MEETING.

SO, UH, ANYWAY, I JUST, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS AFTERWARDS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN PRODUCTIVE.

THANK YOU, PAUL.

UM, JOANNE, DO YOU WANNA CONTINUE THE REST OF THE, UH, LIST WITH PAUL AND TODD? SURE.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

AND I, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE THAT I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON.

THAT'S PRETTY, YEAH, SELF-EXPLANATORY.

I THINK, UM, WE WANNA GET MOVING TOO.

I DID WANNA JUST POINT OUT THAT THE, UM, 25 43, THAT'S THE BILL THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE GREATER ARIZONA TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, THAT, THAT IS, UM, AWAITING A, UM, A VOTE IN THE FULL SENATE.

UM, AND, AND TODD CAN CORRECT ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATIONS BILL, IT'LL LIKELY GET LUMPED INTO THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.

BUT IT'S MOVED THROUGH ALL OF THE STEPS AND JUST A REALLY GREAT SHOWING BY, UM, BY RURAL ARIZONA, UM, FOR THAT BILL AND A LOT OF SUPPORT AT THE LEGISLATURE.

UM, THE OTHER BILL, THE, UM, THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS BILL THAT IS THE BILL THAT, UM, COUNCIL OPPOSED THAT, UM, THAT WOULD, UM, TAKE AWAY LOCAL AUTHORITY ON, ON HOME-BASED BUSINESSES THAT WAS ACTUALLY VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR, UM, LAST WEEK.

SO ANOTHER VETO, UM, SUPPORTING LOCAL CONTROL THAT IS, UM, SENATE BILL 1162.

UM, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE COUNSEL, UM, THERE'S A BILL THAT I ADDED TO THE END OF THE AGENDA, SENATE BILL 1313.

UM, IRONICALLY, IT'S A BILL ABOUT GENERAL PLANS.

UM, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, I, I'D ACTUALLY JUST LIKE TO READ THE LANGUAGE THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE BILL, UM, THAT'S BEEN ADDED.

BUT IT SAYS, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN FOR EACH MUNICIPALITY MAY NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION OR LAND USE POLICIES OR PROJECTS THAT REDUCE OVERALL SYSTEM CAPACITY OF MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS A BILL THAT'S BEING SPONSORED BY, UM, MR. HOFFMAN, THE, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE.

UM, THE LEAGUE HAS OPPOSED THIS, UM, IT IS MOVING FORWARD IN THE PROCESS, AND I'D LIKE COUNSEL TO TAKE A PAGE.

IS THAT ON IN THIS? I'M NOT FINDING IT, JOANNE.

IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AT THE END.

EIGHT OF NINE.

EIGHT OF NINE, EIGHT OF NINE.

SENATE BILL 1313.

I THINK WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING, IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU WROTE, IS IT PRO OKAY, I GOT IT.

IT PROHIBITS OR LIMITS COMMUNITIES FROM PROMOTING MULTIMODAL, CORRECT.

IT'S, THAT'S PROHIBITS GOD.

THE, THE ONE THING I WOULD, THAT I ALSO ADD ABOUT 2044 WAS THAT WE DID PROVIDE, UM, ALL OF THE BACKGROUND ON OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE, AND THEN ACTUALLY SENT A KIND OF A GENERAL OUTLINE, UM, AS WELL.

SO WE DID PROVIDE ALL OF THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION, BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST KINDA TELLING OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. HOFFMAN'S POSITION.

SO ARE YOU ASKING IF WE OPPOSE THIS? YES, PLEASE.

YOU'RE BEING VERY DIPLOMATIC.

I THINK IT'S AN OUTRAGE, RIGHT? WITH THIS BILL.

IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO LOCALITIES AS WELL AS IT SHOWS NO SENSITIVITY TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, TO TRAFFIC CONCERNS TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, TO, IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE.

SO YES, I POSE IT.

SO WE WILL ASK ME HOW I REALLY FEEL.

DON'T HOLD BACK, THEN, KATHY, DON'T HOLD BACK.

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WITH THAT, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS LIST, UM, I'M HAPPY TO STEP ASIDE AND YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AND CALL.

AND TODD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AND THEN WE'LL GO, WE HAVE A PUBLIC CARD.

UH, SO, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP, WAIT, HE WANTS YOU HAVE A PUBLIC CARD.

YOU CAN'T, CAN'T SPEAK TO, YOU CAN TALK TO US AND THEN WE, WE, YOU THE LEGISLATIVE ITEM.

YES, YOU CAN.

BUT THE LOBBYISTS, UH, IF YOU CAN ASK US, ASK US THE QUESTION.

REPEAT.

DID HE FILL OUT A CARD? YES, HE DID.

SO ARE YOU, BUT TODD AND PAUL, YOU CAN STAY ON.

JUST IN CASE.

SO, DO YOU HAVE DALE, CASEY, DALE, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE THREE MINUTES.

DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE LIGHTS? UH, I DO.

NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE.

DALE CASEY, CITY OF SEDONA.

UH, WHEN I MOVED TO SEDONA, THERE WAS JUST ONE TRAFFIC LIGHT, SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

ANYWAY, UH, WHEN THE HOUSING COMMITTEE CAME BEFORE US, UH, SOME TIME AGO, I SPOKE BEFORE THEM.

I'M A SIMPLE MAN WITH A SIMPLE MIND, WITH POSSIBLY A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM.

UM, I BELIEVE IT.

NOW, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT WAS A SENATE BILL 10 35 OR HOUSE, BUT THAT BILL WAS SOLD TO THE LEGISLATORS AS A WAY FOR, UH, RETIREES TO, OR EMPTY NESTERS TO RENT OUT THEIR EXTRA BEDROOMS OR CASITAS FOR ADDITIONAL INCOME.

THE PROBLEM IS THE LLCS JUMPED ONTO IT AND HAVE JUST MADE IT HORRIBLE FOR MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT, NOT ONLY ARIZONA, BUT, UH, THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

THE SIMPLE SOLUTION MIGHT BE TO PUT AN ADDENDUM ON 10 35 TO WHERE IN ORDER TO HAVE A, UH, AIRBNB OR, OR SHORT TERM RENTAL, THE OWNER MUST LIVE ON THE PREMISES.

NOW, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF, UH, UH, OPPOSITION TO THAT.

BUT THE THING IS ONE OF, IN HERE IN SEDONA, WE HAVE NO RENTALS AVAILABLE FOR THE WORKING STIFFS THAT WORK HERE.

AND IF WE WERE ABLE TO ELIMINATE OR REQUIRE THE OWNERS TO LIVE ON THE PREMISES, MANY OF THOSE HOMES THAT ARE NOW BEING USED FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD BE OPEN FOR RENTAL, FOR LONG TERM RENTAL.

UH, THE LLCS WOULD EITHER HAVE TO, UM, OPEN THEIR HOMES FOR LONG-TERM RENTAL OR SELL THEM.

SO THERE WOULD BE A FLOOD OF MAR ON THE MARKET.

PRICES MIGHT COME DOWN, RENTAL RATES WOULD ALSO DECREASE, YOU KNOW, UH, LOOK INTO IT, SEE IF IT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR YOU GENTLEMEN TO PUT AN ADDENDUM ON THAT BILL.

10 35, REQUIRING OWNERS TO LIVE ON THE PREMISES.

THANK YOU, DALE.

OKAY, MOVING FORWARD.

UH, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT WITH JOANNE? I MEAN, THE, UH, JUST TO ANSWER, UH, MR. CASEY'S QUESTION, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR, FOR A LONG TIME.

IT, IT'S A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT, UH, AWAY FROM THE MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE.

UH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING, WE HAD TRIED TO DO IN TO NO AVAIL.

SO, UM, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND ASKING.

SO, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S SENATE BILL 1350, RIGHT? YES.

THANK YOU, JOANNE.

OKAY, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UM, YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOANNE? SHE'S DONE.

OKAY, TODD AND PAUL, LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU DOWN AT THE STATE CAPITOL AGAIN, OR UP HERE.

WE MAYOR, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT COOLER FOR US UP HERE THAN IT WILL BE FOR YOU FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

SO FEEL FREE TO COME VISIT US.

WE'RE GONNA WANNA BRING THEM UP TO SEE YOU ALL MORE , ANYTIME.

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NOW WE HAVE, UH, THE, UH, AB 29 37 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS OF POSSIBLE RESOLUTION FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE LEAGUE OF ARIZONA SEASON TOWNS POLICY COMMITTEE, INCLUDING DISCUSSION OF A CITY O H V ORDINANCE.

SO, UM, SHALL I JUST START? OKAY, LET ME GO BRING UP MY INFORMATION HERE.

SO FOR, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T AWARE, UH, I'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME FOR THE PAST MONTH MEETING WITH MANY DIFFERENT COMPANIES, UH, STATE AND FEDERAL LI UH, REPRESENTATIVES, UH, TO TALK ABOUT, OH, FEES.

AND I, THIS IS A VERY CRUDE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

I'M NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO REALLY BRUSH UP ON USING IT, SO JUST BEAR WITH ME.

BUT I WANNA SHARE SOME OF MY INFORMATION WITH YOU AND THEN, UH, MAKE PROPOSAL FOR THE LEAGUE, AND THEN A CITY ORDINANCE.

SO, SO LET'S SEE, FOR, UH, LET'S SEE.

OKAY, SLIDE ONE, GO DOWN ONE.

YEAH, NO.

SO FOR THE FIRST SLIDE, IT WAS WHAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND FOR THE PRIMARY, UH, UH, VEHICLES USED IN SEDONA.

WE HAVE, UH, POLARIS, HONDA, CAMM, AND KAWASAKI.

AND THEN, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES DOWN, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.

WHAT WAS IT? VERY INTERESTING.

AND I, I'LL READ THAT TO YOU.

IS THAT ON THE POLARIS, UM, CERTIFICATE OF ORIGIN, IT SAYS, THIS VEHICLE IS NOT INTENDED FOR AND MAY NOT BE REGISTERED FOR ON ROAD USE.

DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ARIZONA.

DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OTHER STATE.

THE MANUFACTURER IS SAYING, NOT FOR ON ROAD USE.

NEXT ONE, AGAIN, SAME THING.

SO THAT'S NOT AN ISOLATED VEHICLE.

NEXT ONE, POLARIS AGAIN.

AND THEN NEXT ONE.

AND THAT'S, I BELIEVE, IS A HONDA.

ALSO, CERTIFICATE OF ORIGIN SAYS THE SAME THING.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO, TO READ THEM, BUT I, THAT'S WHAT, WHAT I'M INDICATING WITH THE ARROW.

OKAY, NEXT ONE.

SO WHEN YOU PURCHASE A POLARIS OH V INSIDE THE OWNER MANUAL, IN THIS CASE, IT'S ON PAGE 17, IT STATES, AND I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO READ IT BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT I DO, YOU COULDN'T SAY IT.

AVOID OPERATING ON PUBLIC ROADS, PAVED OR OTHERWISE.

THIS VEHICLE DOES NOT HAVE HIGHWAY SAFETY FEATURES THAT ON-ROAD VEHICLES MAY HAVE.

AND THAT'S AIRBAGS, ANTI-LOCK BRAKES, STABILITY CONTROL, ET CETERA.

IF ANOTHER VEHICLE CO COLLIDES WITH YOU, THE LIKELIHOOD OF A SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH MAY BE GREATER.

ALSO, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AVOID A CRASH OR ROLLOVER IF YOU MAKE SUDDEN OR ABRUPT MANEUVERS, SUCH AS SWERVING OR EMERGENCY BRAKING.

OKAY? WHILE IT AND CONTINUES, WHILE IT MAY BE LEGAL LOCALLY TO DRIVE ON SOME PUBLIC ROADS IN SPECIFIC PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, YOUR VEHICLE WAS NOT DESIGNED OR CERTIFIED AS AN ON-ROAD MOTOR VEHICLE.

POLARIS DOES NOT SUPPORT PUBLIC ROADS USE, EXCEPT AS MAY BE NECESSARY TO CROSSROADS DESIGNATED FOR CONNECTING OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES, TRAIL SEGMENTS IF YOU MUST DRIVE ON ROAD DRIVE SLOWLY AND DEFENSIVELY.

NOW, THE POINT THAT SAYS HERE THAT, UH, POLARIS DOES NOT SUPPORT, UH, DRIVING ON ON ROAD IS TRUE.

WHEN, UH, WE MET, WHEN WE MET WITH THE POLARIS PEOPLE, THEY WERE VERY CLEAR THAT THEY SUPPORTED NOT THEIR VEHICLES NOT TO BE DRIVEN ON HIGHWAYS.

OKAY, SO GO DOWN TWO SEVEN.

THE CAN CANAM MANUAL ISN'T AS CLEAR SINCE THEIR DISCLAIMER IS IN

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A VERY, VERY TINY PRINT.

BUT IT SAYS, AND THEY CALL THEM SSVS, OFFER OFF ROAD USE ONLY, NEVER RIGHT ON PAVED SURFACES OR PUBLIC ROADS.

SLIDE EIGHT IS HONDA.

THE HONDA MANUAL COVER SAYS IN, IN FINE PRINT, READ THIS MANUAL CAREFULLY.

IT CONTAINS IMPORTANT INFORMATION, BUT BURIED IN, IN LARGER PRINT.

ON PAGE 48, IT SAYS, SAFE RIDING PRECAUTIONS.

IT SAYS, YOU SHOULD NEVER RIDE YOUR ATV ON PUBLIC STREETS, ROADS, OR HIGHWAYS.

EVEN IF THEY ARE PAVED, DRIVERS OF STREET VEHICLES MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY SEEING OR AVOIDING YOU, WHICH COULD LEAD TO A COLLISION.

IN MANY STATES, IT IS ILLEGAL TO OPERATE ATVS ON PUBLIC STREETS, ROADS, AND HIGHWAYS.

WARNING, VERY CLEARLY OPERATING THIS ATV ON PUBLIC STREETS, ROADS OR HIGHWAYS COULD CAUSE YOU TO COLLIDE WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE.

NEVER OPERATE THIS ATV ON A PUBLIC STREET, ROAD, OR HIGHWAY, EVEN A DIRT OR GRAVEL ONE.

OKAY, SLIDE NINE IS KAWASAKI.

OKAY, KAWASAKI'S ON A OWN OWNER, GETTING LATE OWNER MANUAL, BURIED ON PAGE ONE, 10 H OFF HIGHWAY USE ONLY.

AND STATES' USE OF THIS VEHICLE ON PUBLIC AND PAVED ROADS IS HAZARDOUS.

THIS VEHICLE IS DESIGNED AND EQUIPPED FOR OFF HIGHWAY USE ONLY.

DO NOT OPERATE THIS VEHICLE ON A PUBLIC ROAD OR PAVED SURFACE.

NEXT ONE, THESE ARE THE, THE SIDEWALKS OF A TIRE.

OKAY, UH, A SIDE WALL TIRE, NOT FOR HIGHWAY SERVICE.

THE NEXT ONE IS ATV UTV USE ONLY.

AND THEN NEXT ONE.

SO NOW WE'RE SWITCHING TO THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ASSOCIATION OR THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THEY ADVISE ADVISING TIRE THAT THEY HAVE ADVISED TIRE DEALERS AND DISTRIBUTORS, THAT SOME UTV AND ATV TIRES FOR SALE IN THE US ARE MISLABELED AND MARKED AS COMPLIANT WITH FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS INSTEAD OF A CATEGORIZED OR NOT FOR HIRE AS NOT FOR HIRE, UH, NOT FOR HIGHWAY SAFETY TIRES.

THAT'S 13.

NEXT ONE.

ON SLIDE 13, IT SAYS, ALTHOUGH TIRES WERE IMPROPERLY LABELED AND MARKETED AS BEING COMPLIANT WITH FM V S S, THE DESIGNATION DOES NOT APPLY TO UTVS OR ATVS TIRES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MANUFACTURED FOR USE ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS.

THE SYMBOL D O T CANNOT APPEAR ON, ON THESE KINDS OF TIRES.

THE ADVISORY ALSO SAYS THAT THE USE OF THE LANGUAGE APPROVED, CERTIFY, OR COMPLIANT ARE MISLEADING AND DO NOT APPLY TO THESE TYPES OF TIRES AGAIN.

NEXT SLIDE.

GREEN BALL IS A TIRE MANUFACTURER GREEN BALL.

I HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THEM.

AND THE SLIDE HERE, IT SAYS, GREEN BALL IS ONE OF MANY TIRE MANUFACTURERS THAT PRODUCE SPECIFICALLY SPECIFIC TIRES FOR OHVS, A SERVICE BULLETIN DATED MARCH 16TH, 2000, UH, 2022 STATES.

CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE WAY TO STREET LEGALIZE A U T V TIRE AS THERE IS NO FEDERAL REGULATION OR STANDARD IN THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL REGISTER.

NEXT SLIDE.

YEAH, I ONLY HAVE A FEW MORE LEFT.

MANUFACTURERS MAY NOT CERTIFY THAT SUCH TIRES CONFORM, UH, TO THE FM V SS OR MAKE ANY REPRESENTATION THAT SUCH TIRES CONFORM WITH THE FM V S S ONLY TIRES INTENDED FOR A VEHICLE CERTIFIED TO THE FM V S S ARE LEGALLY PERMITTED TO BE MARKED D O T AND MAY BE MARKED AS CONFORMING TO THE FMVSS.

SLIDE 15 IS AN EMAIL SENT DIRECTLY TO ME FROM GREEN BALL AND THE STATES AT THE END OF 2021.

NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRA TRAFFIC SAFETY ASSOCIATION, D O T DID CONTACT US ABOUT THE MANUF, THE MARKETING, AND, UH, AND D O T TESTING STANDARD OF OUR UTV TIRES.

DUE TO THE ISSUE THAT N H T S A D O T DOES NOT HAVE STANDARDIZED TESTING FOR ATVS AND UTVS, FURTHER, N H TS A D O T WANTED IT KNOWN TO US THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO GUIDELINES, RULES, OR TESTING STANDARDS TO MAKE OR AUTHORIZE ATV, UTV OR GOLF CART TIRES AS STREET LEGAL.

THE FINAL AGREEMENT BY N H A N N H T T S A D O T IS HOW WE STOP MARKETING THE TIRES AS ME, UH, MEETING THE D O T TESTING STANDARDS AND REMOVE THE D O T MARK FROM THE TIRE TO REDUCE CONSUMER CONFUSION.

NEXT SLIDE 16, THE SERVICE DIRECTOR FROM THE U UTV, UH, TIRE, UH, DIRECT.

IT'S A, UH, IT'S A POOR GRAPHIC, I ADMIT, BUT THAT'S THE BEST I COULD FIND.

UH, THEY SELL TIRES AS STATED ABOVE.

THIS MEANS THAT THE SYMBOL D O T CANNOT APPEAR ON ANY ATV, UTV OR NOT FOR HIGHWAY SERVICE N A H N H A S TIRE.

AND THAT

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NEXT SLIDE.

SO, A TRADE ASSOCIATION POSTS IN THEIR INFORMATION SERVICE BILL TIRES THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS NHS NOT FOR HIGHWAY SERVICE, MIGHT NOT, MUST NOT BE USED ON HIGHWAY IN HIGHWAY SERVICE.

OKAY, SO WE, WE HAD, UH, THAT'S IT FOR THE SLIDES.

WELL, AND WE TOOK THAT ONE OUT.

THAT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING.

RIGHT? OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO ON MARCH FOUR, 14TH, THE VICE MAYOR, KAREN, NOW, POLICE CHIEF AND I MET WITH A, THE NEW D O T DIRECTOR TO SHARE THE INFORMATION.

AND THE IMPRESSION THAT I RECEIVED FROM THEM WAS THAT THEY WERE SHOCKED.

AND, UH, I WANTED THE VICE MAYOR TO, UH, UPDATE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE LEGAL, UH, INFORMATION THAT THEY, THAT THEY SHARED WITH US.

BUT WHAT THEY SHARED WITH US IS THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE IN THE WAY OF REGULATION OR STATUTORY AUTHORITY ON THESE VEHICLES, EXCEPT THAT THEY, THE STATE DEEMS THEM TO BE HIGHWAY COMPLIANT.

BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND WHEN SOMEONE GOES TO REGISTER AN O H V, THEY SELF-CERTIFY THAT THEY MEET STANDARDS, WHICH WE'RE LEARNING, THEY DON'T MEET, BUT NOBODY FOLLOWS UP AFTER THEY SELF-CERTIFY TO SEE WHETHER THAT IN FACT IS THE CASE.

SO THERE'S A BIG GAP IN, UH, IN ARIZONA'S STATUTES AND REGULATORY FRAMEWORK, ALLOWING ANYONE TO REGISTER THIS VEHICLE, SELF ATTEST TO MEET STANDARDS.

IT DOESN'T MEET WITHOUT PENALTY FOR ATTESTING TO THAT.

AND IN TERMS OF SAFETY, THERE'S HUGE GAPS AS WELL, IN NOT IN, IN, IN NOT FOLLOWING THE MANUFACTURER'S OWN GUIDELINES, MAKING THEM STREET LEGAL MORE THAN STREET LEGAL, HIGHWAY LEGAL WITHOUT BENEFIT OF ANY SAFETY REGULATIONS.

AND IT'S NOT CLEAR WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE THAT.

IT APPEARS AS IF D O T DOES NOT.

AND SO THEY'RE LEFT SAYING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

AND THERE'S NO AGENCY REALLY THAT HAS THIS AUTHORITY.

SO AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S HUGE GAPS IN, IN, IN THE LAW.

UH, AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO REGULATE, OBVIOUSLY, HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE NOW FINDING THAT THERE'S HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES, AND THE STATE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY AUTHORITY, OR I CAN'T SAY DESIRE, THEY JUST FEEL THEY DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD GO ABOUT IT.

WHAT, D O T? YES, ARIZONA, D O T, WITHOUT GOING TO THE LEGISLATURE AND REQUESTING THAT AUTHORITY, THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE IT .

THEY DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE MIGHT HAVE IT, THOUGH.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY COULD POINT SOMEWHERE AND SAY, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE AUTHORITY, SO GO SPEAK TO THEM.

SO AGAIN, GAPS .

SO ON MARCH 21ST, VICE MAYOR AND I MET VIA TEAMS WITH THE FEDERAL D O T.

AND, UH, THEY CONFIRMED THE INFORMATION THAT I JUST SHARED WITH YOU ON ALL THE TIMES WHERE IT SAID THAT THEY DON'T BELONG ON THE ROAD PRO FEDERAL GUIDELINES.

SO, UM, THAT GOT US TO THINKING, UM, BUT WE STILL WANTED MORE INFORMATION.

SO MARCH 22ND, THE VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL FOLTZ, KAREN AND I MET WITH A REPRESENTATIVE, TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM POLARIS, WHO WERE REALLY VERY INFORMATIVE, UH, WITH THEIR CONVERSATION.

BRIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE SOME OF YOUR INPUT, OR YOU WANT ME TO JUST GO ON? I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT, UH, GO AHEAD, MAN.

UH, CERTIFICATION, THAT THEY DON'T BELONG ON PAVED ROADS.

THANKS.

UM, BASICALLY THEY WERE SYMPATHETIC TO THE CONCERNS, UH, BUT THEY FELT THAT IF THERE WAS LEGISLATION THAT, UH, REMOVED THE VEHICLES FROM THE ROAD THAT THEY WOULD STAND WITH, THAT THEIR GUIDELINES IS THAT THEY, THEIR VEHICLES DO NOT, AS YOU SAW IN THE GUIDEBOOK AND ALL THEIR,

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SO, UM, THAT, JUST ONE SECOND, THAT GOT ME TO TALK TO KURT.

AND WITH ALL THAT INFORMATION, I'M PROPOSING THE LEGISLATION TO THE LEAGUE OF SEASON TOWNS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME NEW LEGISLATION AND ALSO, UH, ACT, UH, ENACT, I SHOULD SAY, LEGISLATION HERE IN THE CITY.

SO, JESSICA, YOU HAD A QUESTION? I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, UH, SO YOUR TE, SO POLARIS WOULD NOT LOBBY AGAINST, THIS IS WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.

WHAT THEY DO IS SOMETHING ELSE CLARIFY IT, BUT I DON'T, I I'D BE, NO, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING WAS.

THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THEY SAID THERE'S 60% OF THE VEHICLES IN THIS AREA BELONG TO THEM.

SO THEY ARE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THREE MANUFACTURERS, THEY'RE THE LEADING MANUFACTURER, BUT I DIDN'T GET THE SENSE THEY WERE GONNA ACTIVELY GO TO LEGISLATURE AND SEEK LEGISLATION OR SUPPORT IT.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT WOULD THEY, WOULD THEY DO A, A REALTOR THING ON US ? THEY SAID THEY WERE VERY CAREFUL IN THEIR WORDING.

THEY, YES.

THEY SAID, THIS IS OUR POLICY.

OUR POLICY IS THAT THE VEHICLES DO NOT BELONG ON HIGHWAYS OR ON PAVED ROADS.

THAT IS OUR POLICY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY KEPT REPEATING.

THAT IS OUR STATED POLICY.

WELL, THEY COULD JUST TAKE THAT POLICY OUT OF ALL THEIR MANUALS, COULDN'T THEY? I DON'T THINK SO.

PROBABLY THE LIABILITY.

SO, THANK YOU.

YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

THE LIABILITY, IS IT, BRIAN, YOU HAD SOMETHING? YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND ACTUALLY TO THE CONTRARY, THEY DID INDICATE THAT THEY WOULD LOBBY AT A LOCAL LEVEL, A MUNICIPALITY LEVEL, THAT YOU SHOULD NOT ALLOW FOR, UH, OGS TO BE ON THE LOCAL ROADS.

UH, AND THEY DID STATE THAT MULTIPLE TIMES AS WELL.

THANK YOU, KATHY.

SO, UM, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SUPPORT TO BRING THIS TO THE LEAGUE, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA, AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT.

BUT WHAT, WHO WOULD THEY THEN DRAFT THE LANGUAGE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN BRINGING IT TO THEM? BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS IS A, THE COHESIVE POLICY YET.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT KURT DOES, OR YOU NEED THE AUTHORIZATION FIRST TO DRAFT THAT? OR, OR IS IT DRAFT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD'VE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT AGAIN OR UPDATE ME ON THE PROCESS, PLEASE? SO, MAYOR AND COUNCILOR, SIMILAR TO OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION OR, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT LEGISLATION, WE WORK WITH LEAGUE, THE LEAGUE GENERAL COUNCIL, UM, AND I HELP DRAFT IT, AND THE LEAGUE COUNCIL DRAFTS IT.

IF THE LEAGUE COMMITTEE SUPPORTS IT, THEN WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO IT COMES TO US, WE SAY, YES, GO AHEAD, THEN YOU GUYS DO THAT.

DOES IT COME BACK TO SEDONA OR NO? NO.

SO IF IT'S, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL GET TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THAT PROCESS.

BUT ONCE IT'S A LEGAL RESOLUTION, THEN TECHNICALLY THE LEAGUE WOULD, WOULD CONTROL THE, THE PLAN.

AND WE DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED TO PROVIDE THE DRAFT PRIOR.

THAT'S THE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS AFTER THE, THE BASICALLY UMBRELLA THEORY OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING.

IT'S, IT'S SUPPORTED FIRST.

SO, UH, ALSO KURT IS WORKING, OR HAS BEEN WORKING ON CITY LEGISLATION OR NO ORDINANCE, AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS WELL.

AND THIS WOULD NOT BE THE ONLY MEETING.

THERE'LL BE, UH, FUTURE MEETINGS TO DISCUSS AS WE ONE FUTURE MEETING ACTUALLY TO DISCUSS THIS GOING FORWARD.

SO, UH, YES.

ONE MORE QUESTION.

IT ALSO SEEMS THAT YES, THIS SHOULD BE PURSUED, ABSOLUTELY, BUT IT ALSO, I MEAN, YOU'VE LAID OUT A GREAT ARGUMENT IN TERMS OF EVIDENCE FOR A COURT CASE HERE, FOR A LAWSUIT 30 YEARS, SO, RIGHT.

SO I MEAN, IT, I MEAN, IT'S COMPELLING.

UH, BUT WHO, WHO COULD BRING A CASE LIKE THAT? WHO IS STANDING? IT WOULD'VE TO BE SOMEBODY INJURED OR, OR WHO WOULD'VE STANDING TO PERHAPS SEEK THAT AVENUE FOR THE USE OF THIS INFORMATION? I GUESS THAT'S TO KURT.

I, I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

PROBABLY SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY INJURED.

UM, SO ALL THOSE ROLL, WELL, THOSE ROLLOVERS DON'T HAPPEN ON THE ROAD.

THEY HAPPEN IN THE, ON THE OFF-ROAD.

SO NO, THERE HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ON PAVEMENT ON, IN VILLE RECENTLY ON VILLE ROAD, THERE WAS A ROLLOVER AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS WHOLE THING.

INFORMATION IF SOMEBODY CAME TO US WITH HER.

PEOPLE LOOK, REALIZING THE TIRES ARE NOT DESIGNATED FOR PAVED ROADS, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THE TIRES REACT DIFFERENTLY TO, I GET STEERING AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS OPPOSED TO DIRT ROADS.

BUT DO WE HAVE A WAY OF REACHING OUT TO SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT HAVE THAT STANDING THAT'S NOT QUITE, WE'RE OVERLOOKING.

I W TO ME, I UNDERSTAND.

I'M, I'M, I'M, THAT'S ONE PATH.

THERE COULD BE ALSO ANOTHER PATH THAT, YOU KNOW, BIFURCATED THAT YOU PURSUE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME.

I WOULD'VE NO PROBLEM SHARING THE

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I, I'M SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE WE WILL MORE PROACTIVE.

WELL, OKAY.

IN TIME, JESSICA.

WELL, AT ONE POINT, KURT OPINED THAT IN ORDER TO DRAFT SUCH AN ORDINANCE, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT DONE OF SOME SORT.

NOW, ARE YOU NOW SUGGESTING WE DON'T NEED THAT ASSESSMENT BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE UP THERE? SO, SO THOSE ARE SEPARATE ISSUES.

THE, OH, I THOUGHT THAT IT WASN'T THE ISSUE BEFORE WAS CAPPING OR LIMITING THE NUMBER OF SHORT OR OHVS ON, ON THE ROAD.

NO, NO.

THAT, NO, WE TALKED ABOUT BANNING THEM FOR HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS AND THAT WE NEEDED THAT NEXUS IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM OFF THE ROADWAY.

IS THAT STILL YOUR OPINION, OR DOES THIS INFORMATION, SO THIS IS A, A KIND OF, KIND OF DIFFERENT, THIS WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY UNDER, IT WOULDN'T, THEY'RE BOTH WOULD BE A EXERCISE OF THE CITY'S POLICE POWER AND, BUT THIS IS EVIDENCE OF THAT NEXUS.

BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A, A BAN, IT WOULD JUST BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY COMPLY.

THEY HAVE STREET WHEELS, TIRES.

THEY HAVE THE BRIGHT TIRES.

GOT IT.

PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I, UH, UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT THIS EFFORT TO GO TO THE LEAGUE TO GET THIS DONE AND, AND FOR US TO THINK ABOUT IT TOO.

BUT ALONG WITH COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED.

I DON'T YET, I DON'T, AS A ENGINEER, I DON'T SEE C TIRE FAILURE AS BEING A HEALTH AND SAFETY.

I DON'T SEE THE DATA THAT WE HAVE THE DATA TO SAY TIRE FAILURE IS A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.

SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROCESS.

THAT'S WHAT VILLE WOULD COME INTO PLAY.

AND I DON'T SAYING WE SHOULD PURSUE THAT.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE HOW ROLLOVERS ARE CONNECTED TO TIRE DESIGN.

NOW, I'M NOT QUITE THERE YET.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO I'D NEED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS JUSTIFICATION, WORRYING ABOUT THE LITIGATION RISK OF WHATEVER WE'RE DOING AND THE STATE REACTING IN A STRANGE WAY TO, TO CAP, BUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

BUT BEYOND THAT, I, ANOTHER, SO THAT WAS KIND OF A COMMENTING QUESTION.

UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE DOING THE WORK, KAREN, IS THIS CITY STAFF WORK AS WELL? HOW'S THIS FIT IN WORK? IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER WORKLOAD ISSUES WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, WE GO THROUGH A PRIORITY PROCESS.

THIS WASN'T HERE.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW WE'RE FEEL ABOUT THE WORKLOAD.

UM, COUNSELOR AT THIS POINT, IT'S REALLY BEEN THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

LET'S TAKING THE LEAD ON EVALUATING ALL OF THIS NEW INFORMATION AND CONTEMPLATING WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF A LOCAL ORDINANCE.

WHERE IT WOULD COME INTO PLAY, UM, IN TERMS OF A, A STAFFING RESOURCE PERSPECTIVE IS IF THAT WAS, IF THAT ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING ENFORCEMENT ACTION MM-HMM.

ON ALL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS OF OHVS THAT ARE ON OUR CITY STREETS.

RIGHT? SO I THINK AT THAT POINT WE WOULD NEED TO CROSS THAT BRIDGE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE? WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD WE NEED IN TERMS OF RESOURCES TO ENFORCE ON THIS? UM, BUT WE ARE NOT THERE YET.

IT'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

AND THEN SORT OF ADDING TO THOSE PROCESS ISSUES, YOU KNOW, SOME OUTREACH, OUTREACH TO OUR, UH, OUR RESIDENT POPULATION THAT OWNS THESE VEHICLES AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THEIR REACTION TO IT AND OUTREACH TO THE FOREST SERVICE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WOULD DO IN RESPONSE TO PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO DRIVE IT ON STREETS AROUND HERE.

AGAIN, I JUST WANT THIS THOUGHT THROUGH BEFORE WE RUSH SOMETHING FOR A VOTE, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND, I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT HERE.

WE'VE ALL BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT OHVS, UH, AND IF I, I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT, UH, WE'RE CHANGING OUR OPINION OF WHAT WE THINK WE CAN GET DONE BEFORE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL OR DATA SHOWING HEALTH AND SAFETY STUDIES.

BUT YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO THINK THROUGH THIS WITH US.

YOU BET.

AND LET ME JUST RESPOND TO THAT BY SAYING WHEN ALL FOUR OF THE MAJOR PLAYERS OF OHVS OWN MANUALS AND OWNED CERTIFICATION SAYS NOT TO BE ON, ON PAVED ROSE, TO ME, I FOUND OUT TO BE EXTREMELY COMPELLING.

AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED THE ENVIRONMENTAL, WE DON'T NEED THE, UH, ACCIDENT DATA.

THE FACT IS THAT THE, AND THAT'S WHY EVEN POLARIS WAS APPREHENSIVE OF SAYING ANYTHING.

I THINK MY, THAT'S MY TAKE, RIGHT BRIAN, THAT THEIR DOCUMENTS SAY THEY DON'T BELONG ON THE ROAD.

IT'S HOW DO THEY DISPUTE THAT? SO, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS JUST CUZ WE HAVEN'T HAD ACC AN ACCIDENT IN THE CITY LIMITS THAT I KNOW OF MOST RECENTLY DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE STILL SAFE

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WHEN THEY'RE NOT SAFE.

SURE.

UNDERSTAND THAT.

I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TIRE DESIGN, TIRE TESTING FOR MY BACKGROUND.

IT'S A SPEED RELATED ISSUE.

AND I'M, I'M CERTAIN ALSO IF YOU GO THROUGH YOUR CAR OWNER MANUAL, THERE'S THINGS IN THERE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO WITH A CAR THAT WE DO WITH CARS EVERY DAY.

I I HAD THE QUESTION OF ARE THERE APPROVED TIRES ON THE MARKET FOR THESE VEHICLES? NO.

OH, .

WELL THAT IS CRITICAL, ISN'T IT? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

COUNSELOR, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES.

I DON'T WANNA COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU GUYS IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, AGAIN, I, I, I SEE THE VALUE OF OF GOING DOWN THIS PATH BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT PATH THAT, YOU KNOW, TO GO TO THE LEAGUE WITH SOMETHING.

AND I THINK THAT IF WE CAN GET THEM ON BOARD, GREAT.

QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL IT'LL BE, BUT WE SHOULD TRY.

UM, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MEAN TO ME THAT WE ABANDON THE OTHER, UM, ROAD THAT WE WERE ON BECAUSE I DO STILL WANT, I MEAN, THIS WOULD ADDRESS CERTAIN ISSUES BY LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES.

CAUSE MOST PEOPLE WANNA TAKE THEM AND DRIVE THEM AND THEY'LL DRIVE THEM OUT TO THE FOREST ROAD.

BUT STILL MOST OF THE DEVASTATION AND DAMAGE THAT'S HAPPENING IS OUT NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT IT'S IMPACTING THE CITY.

I STILL WANT THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE BECAUSE OF THE DEVASTATION THAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE.

BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THAT IS THE MAIN DRAW.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT BUSINESS IN SEDONA, RIGHT? WELL, LET'S NOT KILL WHAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO SEDONA.

IF BUSINESS CARES ABOUT THAT, WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT THAT TOMORROW.

BUT, UM, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE FOREST AS AN AMENITY IN SOMETHING THAT IS AN ATTRACTION IN THIS AREA, NUMBER ONE.

AND NUMBER TWO, I STILL THINK THAT THE DUST PARTICLES ARE A DANGER AND MAKE THEIR WAY INTO THE CITY AND WE COULD BE COMING A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT.

SO YES, I WANNA PURSUE THIS, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO PURSUE THIS AT THE EXPENSE OF NOT PURSUING OUR ORIGINAL PATH THAT WE WERE ON OF GETTING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

EVALUATION AND PURSUING THAT.

I DON'T THINK, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE NOT REALLY, UH, AGENDA IS TO TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, BUT, AND NO ONE'S SUGGESTING THAT GOES AWAY.

IS THAT TRUE? IT, IT'S REASONABLY RELATED TO OHV LEGISLATION AND THIS NOWHERE AM I SUGGESTING WE DON'T DO THAT? OKAY.

TOTALLY UNRELATED.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S FINE.

THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION, YOUR HONOR.

JESSICA.

I I JUST, WE ARE DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.

YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CONDUCTING IT.

SO IT'S NOT, IT WAS YES, THAT.

AND DID EITHER OF YOU, BRIAN, GO FOR IT? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND I THINK, UM, LISTENING TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FROM UP HERE, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION.

SO, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, YOU PROVIDED TWO DIFFERENT, UM, REASONS ESSENTIALLY FOR BRINGING AN ORDINANCE FORWARD.

THE FIRST PART WAS YOU WERE SHOWING THOSE CERTIFICATES OF ORIGINS.

THOSE ALL JUST SAID THESE THINGS SHOULDN'T BE ON PUBLIC ROADS.

IT DIDN'T SAY WHY.

WELL, ACTUALLY IT DID IT, IT COULD SAY YOU COULD GET KILLED, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ROLL OVER IF YOU'RE SWERVING, WHATEVER.

BUT THAT WAS PART ONE.

PART TWO WAS THESE TIRES ARE NOT STREET LEGAL.

SO THERE'S REALLY TWO REASONS.

AND SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BUY INTO EITHER OF THEM.

IT ONLY TAKES ONE TO KIND OF SAY, HEY, WE GOT A PROBLEM HERE AND THIS IS ABOUT SAFETY.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I CONCUR WITH COUNCILOR KINSELLA THAT I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE CONTINUING DOWN THE PATH OF DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND THAT OBVIOUSLY COULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT COULD BE ON PUBLIC LAND POSSIBLY.

WHEREAS WHAT I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT COULD BE, COULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LIMITING THE NUMBERS, BUT MERELY HOW THOSE VEHICLES GET ONTO PUBLIC LAND.

SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY TWO DIFFERENT PATHS HERE, I THINK.

AND AGAIN, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I'M DONE.

BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY SOLVE THAT, BUT I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME, UM, SOME ANCILLARY THINGS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT COULD, COULD RAISE THEIR OWN FLAGS OF, OF CONTENTION.

AND THEN JESSICA AND I HAVE A FOLLOW UP COMMENT.

I JUST, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT COUNCIL PERSON PETE, NOT THE ONLY ONE SAY ? NO.

YOU KNOW, IT'S AFTER MY MIND SAID ABOUT ASSUMING THAT SOME BIG PROPORTION OF THE OWNERS OF THESE VEHICLES ARE GOING TO THEN TRAILER THEIR VEHICLES, UM, IT, IT, THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT FROM A POLICY POINT OF VIEW OF WHERE THAT'S, IS THAT, WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO THE FOREST? SO, I MEAN, NOT THAT WE'LL

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I MEAN, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, AMY HOLT, UH, ABOUT THIS AND SH SHE SHARED WITH ME SOME INFORMATION AND SHE'S EAGER TO SEE SOMETHING MOVE FORWARD, BUT BEF I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HER.

SO WHEN IT WE COME, THIS COMES ON THE NEXT AGENDA, WHENEVER THAT IS, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE HER TO ADDRESS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.

THAT'S TOTALLY BEEN ON MY MIND AS A INTENDED CONSEQUENCE OR UNINTENDED, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PHRASE IT.

SO WHAT I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I SUPPORT SENDING THIS TO THE LEAGUE AND I SUPPORT, UH, FIGURING OUT WHAT KIND OF ORDINANCE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.

IF, IF THAT, IF, IF, IF THERE IS AN APPROPRIATE ORDINANCE.

SO I AM, I'M OKAY ON BOTH OF THOSE ASPECTS.

SO BEFORE I ASK FOR, UH, UH, COMMENT, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR TO ANYBODY HERE.

DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS, JOANNE? NO.

IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK, THEN YOU, WELL THEN I HAVE TO .

YOU CAN FILL OUT AFTER YOU SPEAK.

SO WHY DON'T YOU STAND UP? UH, YOU NEED YOUR NAME, UH, CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THE LIGHTS ARE ON.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

MY NAME IS DAN KALER.

I'M A CITY, UM, RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

UM, AND I JUST CAME HERE TONIGHT REALLY JUST TO LISTEN ABOUT THIS.

BUT, UM, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE STUFF YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT EXCEPT THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UM, THE EMANUELS, IF YOU GO BACK ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS, THERE WAS A HELMET CASE IN CALIFORNIA AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED ALL THE DIFFERENT PRINTING IN THE MANUALS.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS.

HAD NO IDEA.

I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE TIRES.

D O T TIRES BELONG ON THE STREET, NON BELONGING, THE DIRT, ALL SIDE BY SIDES TIRES COULD BE BOUGHT D O T TIRES.

UM, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, HOW MANY SIDE-BY-SIDES DO TRAVEL IN SEDONA, SAY DOWN HIGHWAY 89? IS IT ONE IN 5,000 CARS? ONE IN 2000 CARS, ONE IN 10,000 CARS? IS THERE REALLY THAT MANY SIDE-BY-SIDE OUT HERE? MM-HMM.

AND, AND SOMETIMES IT DOES SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THING, IS THERE REALLY THAT MANY SIDE-BY-SIDE? WEST SEDONA VERSUS EAST SEDONA? PROBABLY A BIG DIFFERENCE, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS IF A STUDY'S BEEN DONE.

UM, YEAH, SO I JUST SAY THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO, UH, LOOK AT THE TIRES IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAD TO BE D O T TIRES.

THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

UM, AS FAR AS THE INSURANCE GOES WITH THE MANUALS AND MACON STREET LEGAL, I THINK IT'S A STATE ISSUE.

THAT'S IT.

YOU HAVE TO GET FILL OUT THE CARD AND, AND GIVE IT TO THE, THE CLERK.

SO ONE OTHER THING I, THAT I WAS REALLY STRUCK, STRUCK ME AS A, A CONCERN IF YOU BUY AN OHV, YOU GET THE MANUAL, YOU CAN REALLY MAKE THAT DECISION IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE IT ON THE ROAD OR NOT DRIVE ON THE ROAD.

BUT WHEN YOU RENT THEM, I WENT TO ONE OF THE COMPANIES, RENTAL COMPANIES AND I ASKED, WHAT PAPERWORK DO YOU DO YOU GIVE TO PEOPLE? AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE IN ANY OF THE PAPERS THAT TOLD THEM THE, THE PROSPECTIVE RENTER THAT DRIVING THIS VEHICLE, OR ACCORDING TO THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THIS VEHICLE SHOULDN'T BE ON PAVED ROADS.

OF COURSE, I WOULDN'T EXPECT TO SEE IT THERE, BUT IT WASN'T THERE.

AND, UM, THEY, THE ONLY THING THAT THEY, THEY DID SHOW ME WAS THAT THE, THE PAPERWORK THAT THEY GIVE ABOUT NOT DOING DONUTS AND HOW TO, ALL THE STUFF THAT THE ROCK ORGANIZATION SET UP THAT THEY WERE GIVEN, THAT THEY WERE VERY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THEY SHOWED THE VIDEO, WHICH WAS GREAT, BUT NOTHING TO ADVISE THE PERSPECTIVE, UH, RENTER THAT THE VEHICLE THEY'RE GETTING IN DOESN'T PERFORM LIKE A REGULAR CAR.

IT DOESN'T HAVE AIRBAGS, IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE SAFETY FEATURES THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT.

AND YET PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT COMES INTO THE PLAY OF HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE.

WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENT RENTING IT OR ANYBODY RENTING IT, I THINK WE'RE STILL RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE.

SO, UH, KURT, DID YOU WANNA SHARE THE ORDINANCE OR DO YOU WANT TO STILL WORK ON THAT? IT'S, IT'S STILL IN DRAFT FORM, BUT IT, IT WOULD, UM, INCLUDE BOTH, UM, PROHIBITIONS ON DRIVING VEHICLES DEFINED TO INCLUDE OHVS, ATVS, UVS, UM, UH, DRIVING THEM ON PUBLIC ROADS WHEN THE MANUFACTURER STATES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE DRIVEN ON PUBLIC ROADS AND OR WITH TIRES THAT ARE NOT D O T APPROVED.

SO, UM,

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THAT'S MY PROPOSAL.

YOU PROPOSING THIS TO WHICH COMMITTEE OF THE THIS? WELL, THE ONE TO THE LEAGUE WOULD GO TO THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND UH, THAT WOULD BE MELISSA.

AND, UH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIT WITH YOU ON THAT IF IT'S A, IF IT GOES TO A MEETING BY ZOOM, UH, I WOULD BE HAPPY I'VE DONE IT BEFORE.

SO, UH, AND THEN HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROPOSE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE? DO WE NEED THERE'S, THERE'S NO ACTION SCHEDULED NECESSARY FOR THAT TONIGHT.

I'LL DRAFT IT UP AND BRING A DRAFT BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, TO CONSIDER.

AND, UH, I'M THINKING THE TIMING WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LAST MEETING IN MAY.

SO I HAVE A QU JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

IF WE PASS AN ORDINANCE, THEN THE LEAGUE RESOLUTION, WHICH WOULD APPLY STATEWIDE WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, BUT WE COULD TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN PROBLEMS OURSELVES.

SO, SO, SO THE ORDINANCE COULD BE EFFECTIVE FOR 30 DAYS FROM PASSAGE OF THE LEAGUE RESOLUTION WOULD BE FOR NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO GO INTO EFFECT IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024, ROUGHLY, SO, RIGHT.

SO WE'RE BETTER OFF, BUT THEY'RE COMPLIMENTARY AS OPPOSED TO CONTRADICTORY.

YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING PURSUE ONE AND NOT THE OTHER, ARE YOU? NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THE BENEFIT TO US IS TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE MM-HMM.

, WHICH WE CAN ENACT AND BE EFFECTIVE 30 DAYS AFTER AN ENACTMENT.

BUT IT STILL WOULDN'T HURT TO DO BOTH.

NO, IT WOULD NOT HURT, BUT IT, ONE IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE OTHER, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? OKAY, UH, REPORTS, DISCUSSION REGARD.

YOU NEED A RESOLUTION.

YOU NEED A MOTION? YES.

OH, A, A MOTION FOR THE LEAGUE RESOLUTION? NO, I'M SORRY.

NOT A CITY RESOLUTION.

I, THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE RIGHT.

LET ME GO BRING IT UP HERE.

TAKE THIS OFF.

WHAT AM I DOING HERE? I CAN MAKE THE RESOLUTION.

I HAVE THE MOTION CAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT HERE.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, PROMOTING FURTHER RESTRICTIONS TO OH H V USE ON ARIZONA ROADWAYS AND SUBMIT TO THE LEAGUE OF ARIZONA CITIES AND TOWNS FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE LEAGUE'S 2024 LEGISLATIVE POLICY AGENDA.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

SECOND, I'LL SECOND THAT.

UH, SO ANY DISCUSSION? NO.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

WE HAVE WHAT, ONE FINAL QUESTION ON, ON THIS ISSUE, UM, WHICH IS, I GUESS FOR KAREN, HOW, HOW FAR ALONG ARE WE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND IS IT STILL THE SAME FRAMEWORK THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED ORIGINALLY? UH, COUNSELOR, IT IS A MODIFIED FRAMEWORK BECAUSE THIS, WE HAD $75,000 BUDGETED FOR THAT PROJECT.

AND THE PROPOSAL, THE ONLY ONE THAT WE RECEIVED AFTER TWO ROUNDS OF SOLICITATION OF CONSULTANT TEAMS WAS $400,000 .

SO WE HAVE MODIFIED THE SCOPE TO INCLUDE WHAT WE'RE CALLING A PHASE ONE SO THAT WE COULD GET DATA COLLECTION DONE FOR THE SPRING SEASON AND DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT AN ENTIRE YEAR TO FURTHER REFINE THAT, UM, AND BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THE BUSY TIME SO THAT, UM, THAT WORK IS IN PROCESS NOW.

IT'S BEEN GOING.

AND, UM, INSTEAD OF DOING THE VERY WIDE RANGE OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, INCLUDING WATER QUALITY AND EVERYTHING, WE FOCUSED ON THE THINGS THAT IN CONSULTATION WITH KURT WERE MOST CRITICAL TO DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THAT, UM, WE COULD, COULD DO ANY REGULATORY ACTION ON ROAD USE.

AND THAT INCLUDED NOISE, QUANTITY AND TYPE OF O H V.

UM, THERE WAS SOME, I BELIEVE SOIL ANALYSIS, AIR QUALITY TYPE OF OF WORK AND ONE OTHER METRIC THAT IS ESCAPING ME RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU CUZ IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME.

THE AIR QUALITY IS INCLUDED, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, SO REPORTS DISCUSSION IS ITEM F, UH, REGARDING COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS? ANYTHING? YES, PETE.

THAT WERE LEFT OUT OF THE LAST, UH, GRANT AND SO WE RECEIVED A GRANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE GOOD NEWS THAT, UH, THE COCONINO PLATEAU WATERSHED PARTNERSHIP ACCEPTED $154,000 AND CHANGE GRANT FROM THE BUREAU OF RECLAMATION TO COMPLETE THE, UH, UH, AQUIFER STUDY.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THE MODEL THAT EXISTED.

THERE WAS SOME TECHNICAL SHORTCOMINGS

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UH, THIS IS FROM THE SISTER CITIES ASSOCIATION, THE MAYOR OF CANMORE.

SEAN, I DON'T TO PRONOUNCE HIS LAST NAME.

QAR? YES.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT WILL BE HERE IN SEDONA.

IF YOU RECALL, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE COME HERE WITH HIS WIFE DURING THE FILM FESTIVAL, BUT SHE HAD AN ACCIDENT, SO THEY POSTPONED THEIR TRIP, BUT THEY WILL BE HERE FOR A FEW DAYS AND THEY WILL BE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR THE SAME RECEPTION THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IN FEBRUARY.

BE ON APRIL 29TH FROM 9:00 AM TO 11:00 AM OR 10 30 HERE IN THE CHAMBERS.

SO EVERYONE COUNCIL IS INVITED AND THE PUBLIC IS INVITED.

PARTICIPATING.

OKAY, MELISSA.

ALRIGHT.

UH, ITEM G, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING, UH, AGENDA ITEMS, ANYTHING.

SO BEFORE WE ADJOURN THAT, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE A MEETING EXECUTIVE SESSION TOMORROW AT TWO O'CLOCK WITH THE MEETING TO START AT THREE.

HEARING NOTHING ELSE, MEETINGS ADJOURNED.

WHAT HAPPENED? RICK ? YEAH.

MAYBE TOMORROW.

NO.