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IF[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
YOU, UH, COULD ALL TAKE WHATEVER SEATS ARE AVAILABLE AND PLEASE SILENCE ANY OF YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES, YOUR CELL PHONES, UH, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.AND IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG MEETING, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE THROUGH, UH, AS WELL AS WE CAN.
SO, I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER IS NOW FOUR 30, MAY 23RD, 2023.
THIS MEETING IS CALLED, UH, CALLED TO ORDER.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
JULIE, LEMME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY.
OKAY, WE'RE GOING, GOING TO PROCEED WITH THE MOMENT OF SILENCE.
AND IN HONOR OF JOHN SODERBERG, A VERY WELL-RESPECTED MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I JUST HAVE A FEW WORDS TO SAY.
OUR TOWN HAS BEEN MOURNS SINCE WE HEARD, UH, OF JOHN SODERBERGH'S PASSING ON MAY 13TH.
HE TOUCHED US ALL IN A SENSE HE BELONGED TO EACH OF US.
HE WAS OUR FRIEND, OUR BROTHER, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WAY HE SAW EVERYONE FROM KINGS TO BEGGARS.
HE HAS LEFT US NOT ONLY IN, IN HIS WORLD RENOWNED SCULPTURES, BUT ALSO WITH WORDS MORE THAN A, A KNIGHTHOOD, MORE THAN A DOCTORATE.
WHAT HE SAW AS AN ARTIST, AS HUMANITARIAN AND AS A MARINE CAUSED HIM TO SAY, EMPATHY IS THE HEART OF OUR HUMANITY.
FOR IT REDUCES THE BARRIERS OF RACE, RELIGION, AND CREED, WHILE UNLOCKING OUR TRUE INHERENT HUMAN DIGNITY.
THE ACT OF ENCAPSULATING EMPATHY IN SOME MEDIUM IS MY DEFINITIVE, IS MY DEFINITION OF ART.
THE FEELING THEN OF THE SHARING OF THE EMOTION OR IDEA, THE ESSENCE OF ART IS WHAT MAKES US ALL HUMAN.
WE'LL NOW TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN HONOR OF JOHN SODERBERG.
FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T SEE THE GRAPHIC, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE CLEAREST, THAT'S THE BEST I COULD FIND.
UH, THERE WILL BE A, UH, AN EVENT AT, UH, THE CREATIVE LIFE CENTER ON JUNE 3RD AT 1:00 PM YOU HAVE TO RSVP IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN, IN THE, UH, CELEBRATION OF LIFE.
CONTACT RONA AT 9 2 8 2 8 2 9 3 0 0.
AND THEN MADAM CLERK, WHEN YOU'RE READY.
[3. CONSENT ITEMS]
OKAY.THE CONSENT ITEMS. ITEM THREE.
THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE STAFF, THE COUNCIL, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE TO PULL ANY CONSENT ITEMS THAT THEY FEEL IS IT'S APPROPRIATE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION OR IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN PULLING ONE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE.
ALL IN FAVOR, OR BEFORE WE, I'M SORRY.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION NOW.
[4. APPOINTMENTS]
OKAY.ITEM FOUR IS THE APPOINTMENT OF COREY COOPERMAN TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL RETIREMENT SYSTEM.
AND LET ME REPEAT, YOU WANNA BRING UP ANY INFORMATION ON THIS? I WOULD.
I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST, UH, THANK ANN, UH, ANN COREY FOR HER SERVICE ON THE BOARD, UH, TO DATE.
UH, AND SHE'S BEEN, UH, REMARKABLE INSIGHT AT VARIOUS TIMES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THIS POINT THAT, UH, I LOOK VERY MUCH FORWARD TO MY COUNCIL MEMBERS SUPPORTING THE APPOINTMENT OF COREY TO THE PS P R S.
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COREY COOPERMAN BRINGS HIGHLY RELEVANT MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE TO THE BOARD.THAT WILL BE VERY, VERY USEFUL.
AND, UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK, UH, JEFF WASSEL FOR APPLYING AND INTERVIEWING.
HIS INTERVIEWING WAS ALSO, UM, JUST, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE PEOPLE COME OUT WITH SOME RELEVANT EXPERIENCE AND WANT TO ENGAGE, UH, IN OUR PUBLIC BOARDS.
UM, UH, AND I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR APPLYING.
DO YOU WANT A MOTION? YES, PLEASE.
UM, I MOVE TO APPOINT COREY COOPERMAN TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL RETIREMENT SYSTEM, P S P R S BOARD WITH THE TERM BEGINNING IMMEDIATELY AND ENDING MAY 23RD, 2027, OR UNTIL A SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED, WHICHEVER IS LATER.
[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER]
OKAY.SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS FROM THE THUMB DEES VICE MAYOR, I HAVE MY TWICE A MONTH REPORT ON PARKS AND RECREATION, AND THE SUMMER SEASON IS BEGINNING.
SO IT'S PRETTY EXCITING THAT THE POOL WILL BE OPEN ON MAY 27TH, AND WE HOPE FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON THIS YEAR, UH, THEY'LL BE SWIMMING AQUA FITNESS STAR, BABY STAR TOTS, INFANT LESSONS WITH PARENTS, AND A WHOLE LOT MORE.
SO PLEASE VISIT SEDONA AZ.GOV/POOL FOR SCHEDULE DETAILS.
ALSO, MOVIES IN THE PARK WILL BEGIN ON FRIDAY, JUNE 9TH WITH MOVIES EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT AT THE POSSE GROUNDS PAVILION FOR THE FOUR WEEKS OF JUNE.
AND, UH, SUMMER CAMP IS ALSO OPENING.
THERE'LL BE TWO SESSIONS OF LEGO CAMP MISSOULA CHILDREN'S THEATER, TWO SESSIONS OF CHALLENGER SOCCER CAMP, TWO SESSIONS OF ARIZONA SCIENCE CENTER SUMMER CAMP, TWO SESSIONS OF SACRED EAGLE ART CAMP, SEDONA MOUNTAIN BIKE ACADEMY, AND PRANA BEANS KIDS YOGA CAMP.
REGISTRATION, DEPENDING ON THE CAMP VARIES.
IT'S ALL ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE SECOND RED DIRT SPRING CONCERT SERIES ON MAY 12TH WAS THE HIGHEST ATTENDED RED DIRT CONCERT SERIES WE HAVE EVER HAD WITH AN ESTIMATED CROWD OF 425 PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S A GREAT START TO THE YEAR.
THE FOURTH AND FINAL CONCERT WILL BE FRIDAY, MAY 26TH FROM FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30, AND THE BAND WILL BE RIVERS RUN WILD.
SO FOLK AMERICANA AND SEOUL AND VICE MAYOR.
I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN RECENT MEMORY, WE ARE FULLY STAFFED FOR LIFEGUARDS.
BUT EVERYBODY PUT YEAH, THAT WE BUY BIG DEAL, A FULL SEASON.
HOPEFULLY THEY, THEY REMAIN WITH US.
BUT I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE ALL OUR LIFEGUARDS HERE.
UH, ANYONE ELSE? KATHY, WITH AN AUDIENCE THIS SIZE, I CANNOT RESIST MAKING A PLEA TO EVERYONE TO PLEASE CONSIDER VOLUNTEERING FOR THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM.
MEALS ON WHEELS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT MAY BE HOMEBOUND OR MAY HAVE SOME TEMPORARY, UM, HARDSHIP THAT THEY'RE FACING CAN GET HOT MEALS DELIVERED TO THEM AND ALSO BE CHECKED ON WITH A HUMAN TOUCH.
WE ALL NEED TO BE IN TOUCH WITH EACH OTHER AND HAVE SOCIALIZATION.
UH, MEALS ON WHEELS PROVIDES THAT EVERY SUMMER.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S AN EXODUS OF PEOPLE SNOWBIRD, SOME OF OUR PART-TIME OWNERS IN, IN THE AREA THAT LEAVE AND THE VOLUNTEER POOL REALLY DWINDLES.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER SOMETIMES IS FORCED TO MAYBE MAKING DELIVERIES ONLY THREE DAYS A WEEK INSTEAD OF FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
YOU STILL GET FIVE DAYS WORTH OF MEALS, BUT IT WON'T BE A FRESH, HOT MEAL, AND YOU WON'T HAVE THAT COMMU THAT PERSONAL CONTACT.
IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING AND IT'S FUN, IT'S EASY, IT'S REWARDING.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER VOLUNTEERING FOR THE STONER COMMUNITY CENTER WITH THE MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM.
YOU CAN CONTACT THE DIRECTOR MARJORIE HARRIS.
UH, THE VICE MAYOR WAS THERE WITH ME LAST NIGHT.
WE WEREN'T TOGETHER, BUT WE SORT OF SAW EACH OTHER FROM AFAR AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, A SCHOLARSHIP EVENT WHERE THOSE STUDENTS WHO WERE GRADUATING, UH, 12TH GRADE RECEIVED SCHOLARSHIPS.
THEY'VE EARNED SCHOLARSHIPS TO, UH, COLLEGES AS EMORY RIDDLE, A S U N A U, GRAND CANYON, U UH, THEN WE HAD, UH, TWO, TWO, UH, INDIVIDUALS.
ONE GOING TO EACH OF THE UNITED UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, UNITED STATES
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AIR FORCE, UH, BENEFACTORS TO THESE STUDENTS WAS QUITE IMPRESSIVE.SEDONA ELKS LODGE, SEDONA BRIDGE CLUB, UH, THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU, COFFEE POT RESTAURANT, P FLAG, ROTARY, SAFECO, LIONS, UH, AND SEVERAL, UH, ACTUALLY THERE WAS MORE THAN SEVERAL, UH, PRIVATE BENEFACTORS THAT GAVE THOUSAND DOLLARS OR MORE.
IT'S QUITE SUBSTANTIAL, AND IT WAS REALLY AN INTERESTING EVENT TO SEE MY, TO SEE IT MY FIRST TIME THERE.
THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE PEOPLE COULD SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING, NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
SO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS.
WE DON'T HAVE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NOBODY WANTS TO TALK.
[7.a. Memorial Day, May 29, 2023. ]
UM, PROCLAMATIONS, UH, ITEM SEVEN, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.UH, OH, I, NOPE, WE DID PUBLIC FORUM.
SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
NOW, PROCLAMATIONS AND JACK ROSS, I KNOW YOU'RE THERE SOMEWHERE.
I'VE GOT A REALLY NICE PROCLAMATION.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, PROCLAMATION FOR THE HUNDRED 55TH ANNIVERSARY OF MEMORIAL DAY.
WHEREAS ON MONDAY, MAY 29TH, 2023, IN CITIES AND TOWNS THROUGHOUT OUR NATION, AMERICANS WILL JOIN TOGETHER TO HONOR THE FALLEN HEROES OF OUR ARMED FORCES ON THE HUNDRED 55TH ANNIVERSARY OF MEMORIAL DAY.
AND WHEREAS IN MAY, UH, 1868, GENERAL MAJOR, GENERAL JOHN A. LOGAN CALLED FOR A NATIONWIDE DAY OF REMEMBRANCE TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES SERVING OUR COUNTRY, WHICH WOULD BE DE DESIGNATED MEMORIAL DAY BY CONGRESS.
AND WHEREAS OVER 3000 VETERANS OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES CURRENTLY RESIDE IN THE VERDE VALLEY, AND WHEREAS OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM HAVE SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES TO MAINTAIN THE SECURITY OF OUR GREAT NATION AND THE LIBERTIES WE HOLD SO DEAR.
AND WHEREAS MEMBERS OF OUR ARMED FORCES CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARD PEACE AND PROSPERITY IN THE WORLD.
AND WHEREAS WE PLEDGE TO NEVER FORGET THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE ARMED FORCES WHO GAVE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE IN DEFENDING OUR FREEDOMS, WE SHOULD EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE TO THE FAMILIES OF OUR FALLEN WARRIORS.
WE MUST KEEP FAITH WITH ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED FOR OUR COUNTRY IN THE FIGHT FOR PERMANENT PEACE.
AND WE MUST HONOR THO HONOR OUR UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES.
NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT JALO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 29TH.
2023 IS MEMORIAL DAY IN THE CITY OF SEDONA IN RECOGNITION OF ALL THOSE WHO HAVE MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR OUR NATION DIRECT ALL FLAGS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA TO BE LOWERED TO HALF STAFF FROM SUNRISE UNTIL NOON ON MONDAY, MAY 29TH.
2023, IN MEMORY OF THE FALLEN HEROES OF OUR ARMED FORCES ISSUED THIS 2020, THIS 23RD DAY OF MAY, 2023.
YOU WANNA SAY, IF YOU, I WOULD LOVE TO PLEASE, ESPECIALLY FOR ALL FORCES, SHOULD I BE FACING YOU OR CAN I FACE THIS AWESOME CROWD FACE THE AWESOME CROWD.
I, I'VE SEEN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD.
BEFORE WE GO, YOU KNOW, AS PRESIDENT OF THE SEDONA AREA VETERANS AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAM, IT'S JUST WONDERFUL TO SEE THIS INTEREST IN MEMORIAL DAY THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE TODAY,
MONDAY, WE HAVE A CEREMONY AT, UH, 900 AT THE MILITARY PARK.
UH, TOM AND CHANDRA WILL BE THERE SINGING AS WELL AS, UH, SAM CAREY, A NATIONAL RECORDING ARTIST, HER DAD, MARK, IF YOU WANNA STAND UP AS OUR GUEST SPEAKER, UH, MARINE VETERAN, BORDER PATROL AGENT, AND COLONEL AL CORNELL IS GONNA BE OUR MC MONDAY.
ANY OTHER, UH, SAFECO PEOPLE? IF YOU COULD STAND UP REAL QUICK.
CAMILLA ROSS, WE GOT MARK JOHN MARTINEZ.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
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OKAY, NOW WE ARE ON TO REGULAR BUSINESS.[8.a. AB 2941 Discussion/presentation by Jennifer Brehler, Executive Director of the Humane Society of Sedona, to provide an update to the City Council on their activities, accomplishments, and general service provision to the community.]
AB 29 41, DISCUSSION.PRESENTATION BY JENNIFER BRAILER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THEIR ACTIVITIES, ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AND A GENERAL SERVICE PROVISION TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I KNOW JENNIFER, MARK, MAYBE YOU WANNA YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE, HAVE A SEAT AND THEN THE TWO OF YOU CAN SIT OVER.
I'LL, I'LL SQUEEZE IN THE MIDDLE.
THERE'S TWO SEATS IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM.
IF ANYONE IN THE BACK WOULD LIKE TO SIT.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA NEED THEIR SEATS BACK.
I'LL BE GOING BACK TO SIT THEY, OH, YOU'LL BE GOING BACK.
SORRY TO LIVE WITH ME A LITTLE MORE
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, CITY REPRESENTATIVES, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY AND FOR US TO SHARE OUR IMPORTANT WORK WE DO AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA.
I'M JENNIFER BRAILER, AS OUR MAYOR HAS SAID.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, AND I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, UH, THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY OF OURS.
AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER PLACE I'D RATHER LIVE AND WORK IN.
I'M JOINED TODAY BY OUR BOARD PRESIDENT STEPHANIE GEK, WHICH I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS OUR VICE PRESIDENT, DR.
RANDY BARBER, WHO'S A RETIRED VETERINARIAN.
I THINK HE'S STANDING IN THE BACK OVER HERE.
SO, AND I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL I AM FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP AND COMMITMENT TO OUR ORGANIZATION AS WELL AS THE REST OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA HAS BEEN SERVING SEDONA IN THE VERDE VALLEY SINCE 1966.
BY ACTIVELY HELPING ANIMALS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND CULTIVATING THE SAME COMMITMENT IN OTHERS, WE ARE COMMITTED TO HELPING TO BUILDING A CARING COMMUNITY WHERE EVERY ADOPTABLE AND TREATABLE PET FINDS A LOVING HOME.
SIMPLY STATED, OUR MISSION IS TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF COMPANION ANIMALS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND BY DOING THIS, WE IMPROVE THE LIVES OF OTHERS AND OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
FOR MANY YEARS NOW, THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA HAS SERVED AS THE CITY'S COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER FOR ABANDONED, STRAY, AND SEAS DOGS AND CATS.
WE PROVIDE A SAFE AND CARING TEMPORARY SHELTER FOR THESE ANIMALS IN NEED.
AND WE WORK DILIGENTLY THROUGH OUR LOST AND FOUND PET RECOVERY PROGRAM TO REUNITE STRAY ANIMALS WITH THEIR WORRIED FAMILIES.
OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE HAVE SHELTERED AND CARED FOR MORE THAN 400 ANIMALS FOUND RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
AS YOUR SERVICE PROVIDER, WE ALSO HELP PROTECT RESIDENTS OF SEDONA AND THEIR PETS FROM RABIES AND OTHER DISEASES BY PROVIDING DOG LICENSING AND VACCINATION CLINICS WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA, WHILE ALSO INCREASING LICENSING AND VACCINATION EDUCATION AND AWARENESS.
EARLIER THIS YEAR, THANKS TO DR.
BARBER SUPPORT, WE CONDUCTED A COMMUNITY VACCINATION CLINIC, AND WE ARE MAKING PLANS FOR A SECOND CLINIC THIS FALL.
IT'S OUR FIRST CLINIC SINCE THE PANDEMIC HAD STARTED.
SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT EARLIER THIS YEAR.
OUR GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE LOW COST VACCINATION CLINICS ANNUALLY TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF VACCINATED PETS AND LICENSED DOGS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
WE ALSO PROVIDE THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH ASSISTANCE AND ACCESS TO OUR SHELTER 24 7 FOR AN ACCESSIBLE AND HUMANE FACILITY TO SAFELY SECURE ANIMALS.
THEY IMPOUND AFTER HOURS, WE PROVIDE THE EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES THEY NEED, AND THEN THE ONGOING CARE ONCE THE ANIMALS ARE WITH US.
IN ADDITION, THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA PROVIDES VITAL SERVICES TO THE CITY OF SEDONA OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTRACTED AGREEMENT, OF WHICH WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY CITY FUNDING FOR TO SUPPORT THESE PROGRAMS, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SO.
FIRST, OUR DOORS ARE OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT IS OUTLINED FOR OUR PUBLIC ACCESS OF STRAY DROP-OFFS, LOST PET RECOVERY AND DOG LICENSING.
WE ARE ALSO THE ONLY SHELL ANIMAL SHELTER WITHIN CITY LIMITS, AND WE RECEIVE HUNDREDS OF OWNERS SURRENDER REQUESTS FROM OWNERS UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO KEEP THEIR PETS ANY LONGER.
CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT RECEIVE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM THE CITY FOR COST.
WE INCUR TO CARE FOR OWNER SURRENDERS.
WE TAKE IN THE OWNER SURRENDERS.
WE TAKE IN FROM CITY RESIDENTS THAT'S NEARLY 200 ANIMALS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
IN AN EFFORT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF OWNER SURRENDERS COMING INTO THE SHELTER, WE PROVIDE A REHOMING AND RESOURCE PROGRAM TO HELP OWNERS REHOME THEIR PETS WITHOUT THE ANIMAL EVER STEPPING FOOT IN OUR SHELTER.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS SINCE I HAVE BEEN AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, WE HAVE STRENGTHENED OUR PROGRAMS TO FOCUS STRONGLY ON COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND KEEPING PEOPLE AND THEIR PETS TOGETHER AND OUT OF THE
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SHELTER.LAST YEAR ALONE, THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY PET ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, WE SUPPORTED SEDONA FAMILIES WHO WERE STRUGGLING FINANCIALLY WITH OVER 2000 POUNDS OF DRY PET FOOD, HUNDREDS OF CANS OF WET FOOD IN MULTIPLE SUPPLIES IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR PETS AND NOT HAVE TO SURRENDER FOR FINANCIAL REASONS.
WE ALSO SUPPORT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SEDONA FOOD BANK TO KEEP THEIR SHELVES STOCKED WITH PET GOODS FOR THEIR PET FAMILIES IN NEED, AND PROVIDED MANY OF THEIR CLIENTS WITH FREE SPAY OR NEUTER SERVICES, AS WELL AS MICROCHIPPING AND VACCINATIONS LAST YEAR.
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO YET ANOTHER JOINT COMMUNITY SUPPORT EVENT WITH SEDONA FOOD BANK AND SEDONA KIND LATER THIS FALL, WE ALSO OBTAINED GRANT FUNDING TO ASSIST PET OWNERS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO JUST COULD NOT AFFORD THE CRITICAL MEDICAL CARE THEIR PETS SO DESPERATELY NEEDED.
AND WITHOUT THIS FUNDING, THESE OWNERS WOULD BE FACED WITH EITHER GIVING UP THEIR PETS TO SOMEONE ELSE, OR SADLY EVEN WORSE FEELING THEY HAD TO FACE THE ONLY DECISION THEY COULD AND THAT WOULD BE HUMANE EUTHANASIA FOR THEIR BELOVED PETS INSTEAD OF SEPARATING THEM.
OUR COMMUNITY MEDICAL PROGRAM HEALS AND KEEPS PEOPLE AND THEIR PETS TOGETHER, MANY WHO ARE PART OF OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY RIGHT HERE IN SEDONA.
OF COURSE, CORE TO OUR OPERATIONS IS OUR ADOPTION PROGRAM WHERE WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO OPEN THEIR HEARTS AND HOMES TO THE WONDERFUL HOMELESS ANIMALS IN NEED THAT WE CARE FOR.
UNFORTUNATELY, ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND LOCALLY, ADOPTION PLACEMENT OPPORTUNITIES ARE DECREASING IN THE DAILY COST OF CARE.
AND MEDICAL TREATMENT COSTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE BOTH FOR OWNERS AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA.
ALTHOUGH WE ARE NOT IMMUNE TO CURRENT CHALLENGES WITH INFL INFLATION AND HOUSING SHORTAGES, THE HUMANE SOCIETY WILL CONTINUE PROVIDING QUALITY ANIMAL CARE, HOUSING SHELTERING AND COM COMMUNITY SUPPORT SERVICES FOR ALL SEDONA ANIMALS IN NEED TO INCLUDE OUR OWNER SURRENDERS.
THANKFULLY, OUR TWO THRIFT STORES CONTINUE TO PERFORM WELL AND PROVIDE SOME OF THE FUNDING TO SUPPORT MANY OF OUR PROGRAMS. HOWEVER, OUR COST TO PROVIDE SERVICES CONTINUES TO INCREASE, AND WE HOPE COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT OUR FUNDING REQUESTS THIS YEAR.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IN CONTINUING TO PURSUE AND OBTAIN ADDITIONAL INCOMES SUCH AS DONATIONS AND GRANTS IN ORDER TO OFFSET EXPENSES NOT COVERED AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER.
FINALLY, VOLUNTEERS ARE OUR CRITICAL PART OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA AND WHY WE ACTIVELY RECRUIT AND ENGAGE VOLUNTEERS WITH SPECIALIZED TRAINING AND EMPLOYEE COLLABORATION.
LAST YEAR, OVER 300 VOLUNTEERS GAVE THEIR TIME AND TALENT LOGGING IN WAIT FOR IT 27,000 HOURS TO THE VOLUNTEER SERVICE OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA.
WE JUST SIMPLY COULD NOT DO ALL THAT WE DO WITHOUT THESE INCREDIBLE COMPASSIONATE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY GIVING SO MUCH OF THEMSELVES TO HELP THE ANIMALS.
I CONTINUE TO BE INSPIRED BY OUR VOLUNTEERS, THE ANIMALS, THE PEOPLE WHO COME IN THROUGH OUR DOORS.
AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA IS COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO PROVIDE SERVICE FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE TO IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY AND THE LIVES OF COMPANION ANIMALS.
STEPHANIE, YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD OR? I THINK SHE COVERED LIKE EVERYTHING
SHE DOES A WONDERFUL JOB HERE AND THERE.
ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FROM NADIS? BRIAN, ARE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD? YES.
THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY.
IT'S, UH, GREAT TO GET TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY THE ANIMALS, BUT UH, FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, CAN YOU JUST CHARACTERIZE, YOU MENTIONED 400 ANIMALS.
WAS THAT AN, THAT WAS AN ANNUAL NUMBER FOR ALL REASONS COMING THROUGH THE HUMANE SOCIETY? NO, THE 400 NUMBER WAS THE NUMBER OF STRAY, UM, SEIZED ABANDONED ANIMALS THAT CAME FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA FOR OVER THREE YEAR TIME PERIODS.
SO WE AVERAGE A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED STRAYS A YEAR, JUST GIVE OR TAKE EACH YEAR.
AND, AND IS THAT A FAIRLY LEVEL LOADED KIND OF NUMBER OR IS THERE A TREND UP, TREND DOWN OR DON'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR? WELL, UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE PANDEMIC, IT'S BEEN HARD TO KEEP TRACK.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE BACK TO OUR NUMBERS, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS PRE PANDEMIC, THE 2019 NUMBERS.
SO, UM, CERTAIN THINGS IN OUR OPERATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THIS UPTICK OF THE FEAR THAT ANIMALS WERE GONNA BE DUMPED AT THE SHELTER WHEN THE PANDEMIC STARTED.
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UM, THANKFULLY WE DID NOT EXPERIENCE THAT.I DO HAVE SOME COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO DID HAVE SOME OF THAT MM-HMM.
UM, BUT WE DID SEE MORE OF A SHIFT OF PEOPLE COMING IN TO PULL ANIMALS FOR FOSTER CARE AND TO ADOPT.
ONE THING I CAN SAY IS THAT HAS FALLEN OFF QUITE A BIT.
IT HAS DECREASED NOT JUST FOR US HERE LOCALLY, BUT NATIONALLY, AND IT IS BECOMING, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A PANDEMIC IN ITS OWN RIGHT UNDER THE SHELTERING, UM, FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETIES AND ANIMAL SHELTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WHAT WE'RE ALL FACED WITH RIGHT NOW ARE ANIMALS THAT ARE NOT MOVING OUT OF OUR SHELTERS BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT FEEL THEY HAVE THE DISCRETIONARY INCOME TO TAKE ON ANOTHER ANIMAL INTO THEIR HOME.
AS WELL AS A LOT OF ANIMALS ARE BEING DISPLACED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HAVING FINANCIAL PROBLEMS WITH KEEPING THEIR HOUSING NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND HOUSING.
IT'S VERY HARD, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE WHO DO LIVE IN THEIR CAR OR RV BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
AND MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAD MULTIPLE PETS BEFORE THEY LEFT THE ANIMALS THAT THEY LOVED, AND THEY JUST COULD NO LONGER KEEP 'EM BECAUSE IT WASN'T SUITABLE IN THEIR, IN THEIR CURRENT SITUATION.
AND YOU MENTIONED ALSO THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED A GRANT TO SUPPORT VETERINARY CARE FOR PET OWNERS THAT OTHERWISE COULDN'T.
UM, THE COMMUNITY, CITADEL COMMUNITY CENTER ALSO HAS FOUNDED A SIMILAR INITIATIVE.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANY, IF YOU'VE ALL HAVE TALKED WITH ONE ANOTHER, IF THERE'S ANY SYNERGY TO BE HAD IN THAT REGARD.
BUT, UM, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING I PICKED UP ON.
YOU KNOW, MARY, YOU AND I WERE ON THE, THE PANEL THAT REVIEWED THAT GRANT.
SO, UH, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO, I WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED FUNDING FOR MEDICAL SUPPORT, BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD WORK TOGETHER.
WE ACTUALLY PARTNER CURRENTLY WITH VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS TO PROVIDE SUPPORT AS WELL TO THEIR CLIENTS WITH THROUGH THIS MEDICAL FUND.
WE ALSO DID RECEIVE, UM, SOME MONEY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY EARMARKED FOR SENIOR ANIMALS TO GO TO SENIORS, UM, THAT NEH HAD, UM, SET ASIDE.
AND BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE OF A NEED FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR PETS IN MEDICAL CARE THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO KEEP THEIR PETS N EH, AGREED TO ALLOW US TO ALSO USE THOSE FUNDS TO HELP PEOPLE.
I WAS AWARE THAT COMMUNITY FOOD BANK HAS A PET FOOD ASSISTANCE, AND I KNOW A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND POSSIBLY RECENTLY THAT WE'VE ALSO, UM, HELPED THEM WITH SOME FOOD IS WE'RE ABLE, WE WORK OUR, UM, OUR COLLABORATION ACROSS THE STATE WITH GETTING FOOD TO CERTAIN COMMUNITIES IN NEED.
AND, UH, YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, THE PICTURES OF THE DOGS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PLACE, I I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN'T JUST PLACE THEM ONE AFTER ANOTHER.
YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHY AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND, AND SHARING YOUR STORY.
UH, WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM VARIOUS SERVICE PROVIDERS IN THE LAST SEVERAL COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THERE IS A CONSISTENT THEME, AND MAYBE WE'LL HEAR IT FROM THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AS WELL, WHEN THEY GET READY TO, UH, SPEAK TO US VOLUNTEERISM AND VOLUNTEERS.
HOW, UH, HOW IS YOUR NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS, UH, UH, DECREASED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME? AS YOU'RE SAYING THAT, AND, AND I KNOW THIS FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY, HOW RELIANT YOU ARE ON VOLUNTEERS.
SO HAVE YOU SEEN A DECREASE AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO TRY TO PLUG THOSE HOLES, FILL THE GAP? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
WE'VE ACTUALLY NOT SEEN A DECREASE.
UM, WE'VE SEEN A SMALL INCREASE SINCE THE PANDEMIC STARTED.
CERTAINLY FOR A LOT OF US ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN.
IF WE HAVE SNOWBIRDS THAT ARE GONNA MOVE AWAY, THIS IS A TOUGH TIME OF YEAR FOR US.
IT'S NOT THAT THE VOLUNTEERS EVER LEAVE US AND LEAVE SERVICE WITH US, THEY JUST TAKE A BREAK TEMPORARILY WHEN THEY GO TO ANOTHER HOME WHERE IT'S A LITTLE COOLER AND THEN THEY COME BACK.
SO THE, THE SUMMERTIME RIGHT ABOUT NOW, A LOT OF OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE STARTING TO LEAVE FOR THE SUMMER AND THEN THEY'LL BE BACK IN THE FALL.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO DURING THAT PERIOD?
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN USED TO IT.
UM, AND WE JUST PLAN FOR IT EVERY YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT WE CAN TO KEEP UP THAT VOLUNTEERING.
WELL, YOU HAVE AN AUDIENCE HERE, SO YOU MIGHT WANNA
UM, I'VE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH, FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO, UM, BE A PART OF SOME OF YOUR TRANSPORTS, A COUPLE OF THEM.
UM, AND I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING YOU HAVE RELATIONSHIPS ALL AROUND THE STATE, UM, WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH OPENS UP SO MANY MORE OPTIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S SPECIAL NEEDS, DOGS, CATS, ANIMALS THAT
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YOU CAN'T OTHERWISE, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE THERE.SO I JUST THINK THAT'S REALLY HATS OFF TO YOU AS THE DIRECTOR TO YOUR STAFF, TO YOUR BOARD, TO YOUR VOLUNTEERS THAT KEEP THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ROBUST AND HEALTHY OUT THERE AND, AND WORK SIDE BY SIDE.
SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF HELPING.
I WAS PART OF THE TWO DOGS THAT WENT DOWN TO THE SOUTHEAST PART, THOSE BIG DOGS THAT ARE NOT THAT EASY TO PLACE IN SEDONA.
SO THERE'S A SANCTUARY THAT SPECIALIZES IN BIG DOGS, AND THAT'S WHO, IN CASE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, IT'S THAT KIND OF SPECIALIZATION THAT OUR HUMANE SOCIETY IS WORKING WITH TO MAKE SURE THAT DOGS END UP AND CATS END UP IN APPROPRIATE PLACES WHERE THEY CAN BE ADOPTED.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO THAT AND THE RELATIONSHIPS, UH, UH, QUESTION.
WAS THERE A DOG THAT GOT OUT TODAY? I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS AN UPDATE ON, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A PRIVATE DOG THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN POSTING ON THEIR BEHALF OF A LOST DOG.
YEAH, SO WITH OUR LOST AND FOUND PROGRAM, WE POST FOUR CITIZENS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR PETS, UM, TO HELP GET THE ANIMALS BACK.
SO YEAH, THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THAT AS WELL.
WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE A LOT OF REUNIFICATION HERE.
UM, AND THE LAST, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
SINCE THE ROAD HAS BEEN REDONE, HOW HAS THAT AFFECTED YOUR, YOUR PROGRAMS THERE? IS THAT, HAS THAT BEEN A GOOD THING, UM, FOR WALKING? HAS IT BEEN A BAD THING, AN INCREASED TRAFFIC, OR, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? YEAH, SO THE ROAD, THANK YOU ALL TO THE CITY OF SEDONA FOR GETTING THAT ROAD TAKEN CARE OF.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON, UM, SHELBY DRIVE BEFORE THE NEW ROAD WAS MADE,
SO WE NOW HAVE, UM, A WALKWAY THAT OUR VOLUNTEERS CAN WALK THE DOGS.
WE, IT'S MUCH SAFER FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, FOR OUR VOLUNTEERS, AS WELL AS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING AND LOOKING TO ADOPT AN ANIMAL.
THEY CAN, DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT JUST TERRIBLE, DIFFICULT ROAD TO NAVIGATE.
UM, YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S GREAT.
WE HAVE A CROSSWALK IN EVERYTHING, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOUR, YOUR BOARD SUPPORT.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE CROWD, I'M NOT GONNA REPHRASE 'EM AND ASK 'EM AGAIN.
I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU BOTH COMING.
[8.b. AB 2940 Discussion/presentation by Nate Meyers, Executive Director of the Sedona Heritage Museum, to provide an update to the City Council on their activities, accomplishments, and general service provision to the community.]
ITEM B, AB 29 40.PRESENTATION BY NATE MEYERS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM, TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE C UH, CITY COUNCIL ON THEIR ACTIVITIES, ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AND GENERAL SERVICE PROVISION, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY.
NATE AND THE BOARD, AND THANK YOU.
AND WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOU?
UH, WITH ME AT THE TABLE TODAY ARE, UH, BOARD PRESIDENT, BOARD, UH, SEDONA HISTORIC SOCIETY BOARD PRESIDENT AL CAMILLO, AND VICE PRESIDENT CHANDRA JEFFERSON.
UH, AND ALSO SEVERAL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS ARE IN THE CROWD.
I KNOW KATHY LEVIN AND CLANCY SAGE AND BECKY CRUZ.
AND SORRY IF I'M MISSING ANYBODY WHO'S BACK THERE, BUT JUST RAISE THEIR HAND.
UM, AND IF EVERYBODY WASN'T HERE FOR THE MEMORIAL DAY PROCLAMATION, I KNOW THEY'RE HERE FOR, FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
SO I DO, I DO WANNA, UH, JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO REINTRODUCE MYSELF.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM.
UH, I'VE BEEN IN THIS ROLE SINCE LAST FALL, AND PRIOR TO THAT I SPENT ABOUT 18 YEARS AT THE CHANDLER MUSEUM DOWN IN THE VALLEY.
I JUST CAME FROM DENVER, WHERE OVER THE WEEKEND I REPRESENTED OUR INSTITUTION AND OUR COMMUNITY AT THE AMERICAN ALLIANCE OF MUSEUM'S ANNUAL CONFERENCE, WHICH IS THE LARGEST GATHERING OF MUSEUM PROFESSIONALS IN THE WORLD.
THERE I WORKED ON A FEW EVENTS WITH THE SMALL MUSEUM ADMINISTRATORS COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A NATIONWIDE PROFESSIONAL NETWORK OF SMALL MUSEUM DIRECTORS, UH, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE BIGGEST CHANGES IN OUR ORGANIZATION FROM OUR CURRENT CONTRACT, UH, TO THE NEXT ONE, MY ARRIVAL AS THE ORGANIZATION'S FIRST PROFESSIONAL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS BY FAR THE BIGGEST ONE.
THE CITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACT ENABLED OUR ORGANIZATION TO HIRE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WITH PLENTY OF MUSEUM EXPERIENCE WHO'S WELL CONNECTED IN THE FIELD AND WHO HAS A PASSION FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
THIS HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO ELEVATE OUR ORGANIZATION IN SEDONA, IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND ACROSS ARIZONA.
AND BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, JUST ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELOR, CITY STAFF, UH, FOR YOUR COMPASSION OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS.
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UH, UNEXPECTED DEATH OF MY FATHER, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, SO I, I DO JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR YOUR COMPASSION.SO WHO ARE WE? SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS THE ONLY ORGANIZATION THAT IS DEDICATED TO PRESERVING THE HISTORY OF SEDONA AND THE AREA KNOWN AS RED ROCK COUNTRY.
WE TAKE A MULTIDISCIPLINARY APPROACH TO THAT HISTORY WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY CANNOT BE DISCUSSED WITHOUT A DIVE INTO THE GEOLOGY THAT FORMED THE RED ROCKS.
A STUDY OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES WHO HAVE CALLED THIS AREA HOME FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
EXPLORATION OF THE ARTISTS, ARTISTS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO BUILDING SEDONA INTO AN ARTS COMMUNITY, A DISCUSSION OF CURRENT EVENTS, UH, USING THE HISTORY OF SEDONA TO PUT THEM IN CONTEXT AND SO MUCH MORE.
THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM IS THE WAY MOST PEOPLE ENGAGE WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR EXHIBITS, WE HOLD MOST OF OUR PROGRAMS AND WHERE WE DO MOST OF OUR WORK TO PRESERVE HISTORY.
SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHO ARE WE? WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS.
WE LOVE TO EXPLORE HISTORY, FIND OUT NEW THINGS ABOUT OUR PAST AND SHARE THEM WITH YOU.
WE ARE VOLUNTEERS, WE ARE PAID STAFF MEMBERS.
WE WORK WITH PEOPLE AT THE FRONT DESK AND WE WORK ON OUR OWN IN THE COLLECTION STORAGE ROOM.
SOME OF US HAVE BEEN WITH THE ORGANIZATION FOR ITS ENTIRE 40 YEAR HISTORY.
SOME LIKE ME HAVE BEEN HERE LESS THAN ONE YEAR.
WHAT UNITES US IS OUR SHARED PASSION FOR LEARNING, PRESERVING, AND SHARING THE HISTORY OF SEDONA.
THE MISSION OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS TO RESEARCH, PRESERVE, AND TEACH THE HISTORY OF THE GREATER SEDONA AREA.
AND WHAT DO I MEAN WHEN I SAY THE, UH, GREATER SEDONA AREA? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRETTY LARGE GEOGRAPHIC REGION THAT DOES OF COURSE INCLUDE THE CITY OF SEDONA AT ITS HEART.
UM, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES INDIGENOUS HERITAGE SITES, HISTORIC SITES, IN AND AROUND SEDONA AND ALL UP AND DOWN OAK CREEK CANYON.
WELL, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE PLACES LIKE JEROME OR CLARKDALE OR COTTONWOOD.
UM, WE RECOGNIZE THAT OUR HISTORY HERE IN SEDONA IS NOT SILOED.
THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY CANNOT BE FULLY TOLD WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE HISTORIES OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND HOW WE RELIED ON OR AFFECTED ONE ANOTHER.
SO WHERE CAN PEOPLE FIND US? OUR MAIN LOCATION IS THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM IN JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK.
THE MUSEUM IS COMPRISED OF SEVERAL BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE JORDAN HOME, WHICH YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE, THE APPLE PACKING SHED AND THE TRACTOR SHED, ALL OF WHICH ARE ON THE, UH, SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION SITES LIST.
AND ALSO LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
WE ALSO HAVE THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE, WHICH IS THE LAST REMAINING BUILDING FROM THE OLD MOVIE STUDIO, UH, WESTERN TOWN THAT ONCE STOOD IN WEST SEDONA COOK'S CEDAR GLADE CEMETERY OFF OF AIRPORT ROAD IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY FIRST USED IN 1918 DURING THE SPANISH FLU PANDEMIC.
IT'S ALSO THE FINAL RESTING PLACE OF OUR CITY'S NAMESAKE, SEDONA SCHLEY, AS WELL AS HER HUSBAND, TC AND THEIR DAUGHTER PEARL, THE SHERMAN RED ROCK CEMETERY ON THE RED ROCK LOOP ROAD.
UH, THIS IS THE SERONA AREA'S OLDEST CEMETERY STARTED IN THE 1890S AND IT'S ONE OF THE MOST PICTURESQUE CEMETERIES AROUND WITH A CLEAR AND MAJESTIC VIEW OF CATHEDRAL ROCK.
THE VIEW WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE SHERMAN'S CHOSE TO ENTER THEIR CHILD, CLARA ON THE SITE IN 1893.
THE SHERMAN HOMESTEAD HOUSE OFF OF THE LOOP ROAD WAS RECENTLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES BUILT IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
THE HOMESTEAD HOUSE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EARLY VINEYARD AND WINERY HISTORY HERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
SO WHAT IS IT THAT WE DO? EXHIBITS LIKELY, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT ANYONE IN THIS ROOM THINKS OF WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT MUSEUMS. THEY'RE THE BREAD AND BR BREAD AND BUTTER OF EVERYTHING WE DO.
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON DEVELOPING, ON DEVELOPMENT OF A CHANGING EXHIBIT SCHEDULE, WHICH WILL DRAW MORE VISITORS, ESPECIALLY AMONG LOCAL RESIDENTS WHO WE HOPE WILL FEEL THAT LIKE THEY NEED TO COME BACK REPEATEDLY SO THAT THEY DON'T MISS NEW AND EXCITING EXHIBITS.
UH, MAYOR JALO, UH, THANK YOU FOR RECENTLY HELPING US DEDICATE A NEW AND IMPORTANT EXHIBIT ABOUT IRRIGATION AND WATER EARLIER THIS MONTH.
WHAT ELSE DO WE DO? EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS AT OUR CORE, THE MUSEUM AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS AN EDUCATIONAL ORGANIZATION.
TO THAT END, WE OFFER REGULAR FREE EVENTS SUCH AS MONDAYS AT THE MUSEUM, DEMONSTRATIONS EVERY MONDAY EXCEPT DURING THE SUMMER LIVING HISTORY SERIES OF LECTURERS, AUTHORS, AND OTHER FASCINATING PRESENTATIONS.
OTHER EVENTS LIKE THROWBACK THURSDAY, WHICH INVOLVE COSTUME INTERPRET INTERPRETERS, AND FOR WHICH WE SMALL CHARGE A SMALL FEE IN ORDER TO
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COVER OUR COSTS.UH, ALL OF OUR FUNDRAISERS HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO REGULAR PROGRAMS AND SPECIAL EVENTS, WE ALSO OFFER FIELD TRIPS AND ARE PURSUING OPTIONS TO WORK FURTHER WITH THE LOCAL SCHOOLS.
WHAT ELSE DO WE DO? PRESERVATION, COLLECTING, DOCUMENTING, STORING, SAFELY, EXHIBITING, DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT OUR ARCHIVAL ITEMS AND ARTIFACTS IN OUR COLLECTION IN PERPETUITY.
UH, WE TAKE THAT LAST WORD VERY SERIOUSLY.
WHEN WE COMMIT TO COLLECT AN ITEM, WE ARE COMMITTING TO TAKE CARE OF IT FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT IS EXPENSIVE TO PRESERVE ARTIFACTS AND ARCHIVES AND ASSET FREE FOLDERS, ASSET FREE BOXES, UNBLEACHED, COTTON, MUSLIN, WRAPPING INAPPROPRIATE SHELVES.
AND IN ACCEPTABLE CLIMACTIC CONDITIONS, WE ONLY COLLECT ITEMS WHICH SUPPORT OUR MISSION.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACE RIGHT NOW? OUR LARGEST CHALLENGE IS WORKING THROUGH THE TRANSITION OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAD BEEN RUN BY VOLUNTEERS FOR 40 YEARS TO ONE, RUN BY A MUSEUM.
PROFESSIONAL NEW WAYS OF DOING THINGS, NEW PEOPLE INVOLVED, NEW APPROACHES TO OLD PROBLEMS. IT'S A GOOD THING, BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS SMOOTH SAILING, BUT IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS FOR ALL INVOLVED AND WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION HERE.
RECRUITING AND RETAINING VOLUNTEERS IS AN ONGOING CHALLENGE, UH, WHICH THE VICE MAYOR JUST BROUGHT UP.
UH, MY VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR AND I, AND I THINK SHE'S IN THE BACK SOMEWHERE.
UM, PLAN TO SPEND SOME TIME THIS SUMMER LOOKING AT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM AND DEVELOPING INNOVATIVE NEW WAYS TO ATTRACT VOLUNTEERS TO OUR ORGANIZATION AND MAKE THEM FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT THEY DO FOR THE SOCIETY.
WHILE I NOTED THAT WE ARE TRANSITIONING TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR LEADING THE ORGANIZATION, WE'RE STILL POWERED BY THE WORK OF OVER 100 DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS WHO CONTRIBUTED ABOUT 10,000 VOLUNTEER HOURS TO THE ORGANIZATION IN 2022.
AND DEVELOPING NEW AUDIENCES, UH, SHS, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS IN A PERIOD OF TRANSITION.
IF WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON THIS TRANSITION TO RE-EXAMINE WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT, WE CAN ATTRACT NEW AUDIENCES TO THE MUSEUM AND TO OUR PROGRAMS. THE CHALLENGE IS BEING WILLING TO LOOK AT OURSELVES WITH A CRITICAL EYE TO DETERMINE WHAT IS WORKING, WHAT COULD BE WORKING BETTER, AND WHO OUR TARGET AUDIENCES ARE.
SO WHERE ARE WE GOING? OUR FIRST GOAL IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GROW.
WE WANNA EXPAND OUR EXHIBITS AND PROGRAMS. WE WANNA ENGAGE MORE VISITORS AT THE MUSEUM.
WE WANNA EXPAND INTO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT TOURISTS AND LOCALS ALIKE ENCOUNTER SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM ALL AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
WE STRIVE TO BE THE SOURCE FOR SEDONAS HISTORY, THE PLACE PEOPLE COME FIRST WHEN THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WE WANNA BE RECOGNIZED AS THE AUTHORITIES ON SEDONA HISTORY.
WE WANNA DEVELOP PARTNERSHIPS AND COLLABORATIONS WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, ARTISTS, ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, AND OTHERS TO EXPLORE INNOVATIVE APPROACHES TO PROGRAMMING EVENTS AND EXHIBITS.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE WANNA BECOME A VITAL COMMUNITY ASSET.
WE WANNA BE A PLACE THAT TOURISTS MUST VISIT WHEN THEY COME TO SEDONA.
AND A PLACE THAT LOCAL RESIDENTS ARE PROUD TO CALL THEIR HOMETOWN MUSEUM IN, ENSURE AN ORGANIZATION THEY CAN'T IMAGINE SEDONA WITHOUT IT.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, ANY OF YOU MIGHT HAVE.
PETE, ANY QUESTIONS? NATE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU CHANDRA AND AL FOR BEING HERE AND THE BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.
IT'S DEFINITELY APPRECIATED, UH, GREAT VISION AND MISSION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE CONCRETE STEPS THAT YOU'RE TAKING.
UH, WE'D LOVE TO ASK MORE ABOUT HOW THE VISITORSHIP IS GOING AND WHATNOT, BUT IN THE TIME, TIME,
LOOK FORWARD TO ENGAGING THOSE.
YOU KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF ME.
AGAIN, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND I JUST THINK THE THE GROWTH OF THE ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN WONDERFUL.
AND SINCE YOU'VE COME ON BOARD, NATE, I MEAN YOU HAVE A GREAT BOARD, REALLY HANDS ON AND INVOLVED.
UM, IT'S A MUST STOP FOR ANY VISITOR THAT COMES TO SEDONA ON MY WATCH IS GOING TO THE MUSEUM.
SO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT.
ESPECIALLY LOVE THE, UM, PRESENTATIONS, THE, THE LIVING HISTORY PRESENTATIONS WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN CHARACTER, THAT'S ALWAYS FUN FOR VISITORS.
SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND KEEP UP THE CEMETERY PROGRAMS. I LOVE BEING A VOLUNTEER GHOST
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BRINGING PEOPLE FROM GRAVE TO GRAVE.I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND I'M THE LIAISON TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, SO THEY'RE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
AND NATE, YOU'VE JUST DONE A TERRIFIC JOB COMING IN HERE.
YOU FEELS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S ONLY BEEN SIX MONTHS, I THINK.
BUT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS GOING THROUGH A MAJOR, UH, PROGRAM RIGHT NOW FOR, FOR UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED WHEN A PROFESSIONAL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WAS HIRED.
AND SO YOU'VE JUST BEEN ROCKING, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO APPARENTLY WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY DOING QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE SAME THING.
I THINK IT'S REALLY, UM, IT'S REALLY AWESOME THAT WE'RE SUCH A TINY LITTLE SPACE AND YET WE HAVE THIS REALLY RICH HISTORY AND BEING ABLE TO KEEP ALL OF IT ALIVE, INCLUDING THE GEOLOGICAL PIECES OF WHERE THESE RED ROCKS COME FROM.
AND IT JUST ALL, IT'S ALL A PIECE OF WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY AND WHO WE WERE AS A COMMUNITY AND HOPEFULLY WHO WE WILL BE AS A COMMUNITY.
AND FOR THAT REASON, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE, UM, ALL OF US, SINCE WE HAVE THIS BIG AUDIENCE, ALL OF US TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO COME AND, AND VISIT AND TO PARTICIPATE.
CUZ I I ALSO THINK THE CEMETERY PROGRAM IS LIKE REALLY FUN AND COOL AND I KEEP GOING AND I KEEP HOPING THERE'S NEW GHOSTS EVERY, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
THANK YOU MAYOR NATE, UH, AL CHANDRA AND THE REST OF THE BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, I GUESS KEEPING IN, UH, PETE, I WAS GONNA ASK QUESTIONS, DOUG, YOU KNOW, UM, SO I'LL JUST ASK THIS.
WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THIS STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS THAT THE VICE MAYOR JUST MENTIONED? WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO KIND OF COME DOWN FROM THE MOUNTAIN WITH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? YEAH, WE ARE, UH, PLANNING TO, UH, HOLD OUR FINAL STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING WITH BOARD AND STAFF AND WITH A FACILITATOR WHO ACTUALLY SPECIALIZES IN STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR SMALL MUSEUMS. UM, WE PLAN TO HAVE OUR FINAL SESSION ON JUNE 1ST.
UH, AND FROM THERE, UH, OUR FACILITATOR KIND OF PUT TOGETHER THE FINAL PLAN AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO KIND OF LOOK IT OVER AND A ADOPT IT AND, UH, THAT'LL GIVE US OUR STRATEGIC DIRECTION FOR, FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE ANYWAY.
I LOOK FORWARD, WE KIND OF WENT INTO IT THINKING THREE YEAR PLAN IS IS THE WAY TO GO.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT IT.
AND SO MY COMMENTS BASICALLY, UH, MIRROR EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID HERE.
NATE, YOU HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB IN THE FEW MONTHS THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS AT AN EVENT MAYBE A MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS AGO, A WINE TASTING EVENT.
AND AT THAT EVENT I GOT TO EXPERIENCE THE GHOST OF SONSONA STUBBY
I MEAN, YOU DO SO MANY FUN THINGS.
YOU KNOW, THEY MENTIONED ABOUT THE CEMETERY WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE ENACTING THOSE WHO WERE HERE SO MANY YEARS AGO.
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, AS UH, KATHY SAID, I ENCOURAGE WHEN I HAVE VISITORS HERE TO STOP IN AT THE MUSEUM BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO BE.
AND THOSE WHO MOVE HERE, AND I MENTIONED THIS THE OTHER DAY, UH, I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, NEW NEIGHBORS, THAT IF THEY REALLY WANNA STAY IN SEDONA, IF THEY WANNA LEARN ABOUT SEDONA, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE CALLING HOME FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES TO GO TO THE MUSEUM AND LEARN.
AND YOU CAN'T GET A BETTER EDUCATION.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND WITHOUT A DOUBT, WE ALL AGREE HISTORY IS FUN.
YOU CHANDRA, IF YOU SEE UH, SEDONA SNUBBY, LET ME KNOW.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING ON, I GUESS.
[8.c. AB 2944 Presentation/discussion regarding Greater Sedona Recreation Collaborative's (GSRC) work towards improved management and mitigation of impacts of motorized recreational uses in and around Sedona.]
ITEM C A B 29 44 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATIONAL COLLABORATIVE G S RRC, THE WORK TOWARDS IMPROVED MANAGEMENT AND MITIGATION OF IMPACTS OF MOTOR RIGHTS RECREATIONAL, UH, USES IN AND AROUND SEDONA USE CAN USE THIS.CAN YOU GET THE LIGHTS? NO, NO.
APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE.
MY NAME IS ANDY ROGERS AND I WORK FOR SOUTHWEST DECISION RESOURCES.
I'LL INTRODUCE MY COLLEAGUES HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT TODAY
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WE ARE HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE, WHICH HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR JUST ABOUT A YEAR NOW.CAN YOU PLEASE HOLD ON, ANDY, CAN YOU JUST COME, JUST QUIET DOWN A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE.
OKAY, SO WE'LL INTRODUCE YOU TO OURSELVES.
I DON'T THINK I SAID THANK YOU FOR, UH, HAVING US MAYOR JALO, VICE MAYOR PLU, AND THE REST OF THE COUNSELORS.
AND THANK YOU KAREN, FOR INVITING US.
SO, WE'LL FIRST WE'LL START BY TELLING YOU WHO WE, WE ARE.
WE'LL INTRODUCE THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE AND REALLY JUST TELL YOU WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO.
OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE BEEN CONVENING A MOTORIZED RECREATION WORKING GROUP AS PART OF A LARGER, GREATER SEDONA RECREATION GROUP.
AS WE KNOW, RECREATION ISSUES ARE COMPLEX, WHEREVER THEY ARE, PERHAPS GREATER IN SEDONA.
UM, WE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME TIME, UH, WE'LL BE GIVING THIS PRESENTATION COLLABORATIVELY AS WE DO, WE LIKE TO WALK THE WALK OF COLLABORATION.
IF THERE ARE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ALONG THE WAY, GO AHEAD.
BUT OTHERWISE WE'D LOVE TO WAIT FOR QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUES MARK IN HIS PLAID SHIRT AND JESSICA ARCHIBALD, MARK LO SETH AND JESSICA ARCHIBALD.
WE'RE FROM FLAGSTAFF AND WE ARE FACILITATORS AND MEDIATORS.
WE WORK IN NATURAL RESOURCE COLLABORATIONS.
WE'RE FROM FLAGSTAFF, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TEAMMATES IN TUCSON AND IN PHOENIX.
WE WORK WITH LONG-TERM PARTNERSHIPS AND PLANNING, PRIMARILY SURROUNDING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MUNICIPAL PLANNING.
OUR GROUP ALSO HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU ALL IN THIS COMMUNITY SURROUNDING THE UPDATE TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
SO I'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN SEDONA OVER THE LAST COURSE OF THE YEAR.
WE ARE WELL-VERSED IN CONTENTIOUS AND COMPLICATED NATURAL RESOURCES AND MUNICIPAL ISSUES.
SO WE DO HAVE THAT IN OUR BELT.
UM, YOU CAN CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO WHAT IS THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE OR THE GSRC? IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE INTERESTED, PARTY DRIVEN PROCESS.
WE REALLY LIKE TO BRING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO THE TABLE TO DISCUSS COMPLICATED ISSUES.
IT'S CURRENTLY EXPLORING POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR A RANGE OF ISSUES RELATED TO OUTDOOR RECREATION IN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA.
WHAT IS THE GREATER SEDONA? THIS MAP HERE ON THE RIGHT, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE AREA WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT IS WEST TO THE FOREST SERVICE 5 25 ROAD SOUTH TO THE ROAD EAST TO THE MONS MOUNTAIN WILDERNESS AND NORTH TO THE RED ROCK SECRET CANYON WILDERNESS.
IT'S ABOUT 350 SQUARE MILES, SO IT'S A LARGE AREA AND WE'RE SEEKING TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE KEY PARTNERS IN THIS SPACE OF SHARED LEARNING AND COLLABORATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING.
AND WE DO HAVE A WEBSITE THAT'S UP AND RUNNING WHERE YOU CAN FIND ALL OF THE NOTES AND ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR.
SO WE HAVE THIS STRUCTURE OF THE GSRC AND WE HAVE SOME CO-CONVENERS, I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN A MINUTE.
AND RIGHT NOW MOST OF OUR WORK IS WORKING ON OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLE USE.
AS WE KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE IN SEDONA FOR A LONG TIME.
WE KNOW A PREVIOUS, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL PREVIOUS EFFORTS TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMPLICATED ISSUES.
AND ONE DAY WE MIGHT HAVE FUTURE WORKING GROUPS.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, RECREATION EBBS AND FLOWS IN SEDONA AND THERE IT WILL ALWAYS BE COMPLICATED.
SO OUR KEY OBJECTIVES FOR THE RECREATION COLLABORATIVE ARE TO IDENTIFY AND PROVIDE INPUT ON SHORT, MID, AND LONG-TERM STRATEGIES.
AGAIN, TO ENGAGE BROAD PARTICIPATION AND COLLABORATION, TO LEARN AND TO BUILD UPON, BUT NOT REPLICATE PREVIOUS EFFORTS.
THANKS TO THOSE OF YOU, WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT ABOUT PREVIOUS EFFORTS AND WE LIKE TO USE A HOLISTIC AND BALANCED PERSPECTIVE.
NO, I, NO IDEA IS OFF THE TABLE.
WE LIKE TO BE CREATIVE IN OUR THINKING.
THIS EFFORT IS COVEN, WHICH MEANS THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND JURISDICTIONS WITH DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY WITHIN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA HAVE BEEN WITH US SINCE THE BEGINNING.
THAT'S THE US FOREST SERVICE, ARIZONA STATE'S PARKS AND TRAILS, ARIZONA GAME AND FISH, YAVAPAI COUNTY.
AND THANK YOU TO THE CITY OF SEDONA, OF THOSE CO-CONVENERS.
YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT THIS IS A CO-FUNDED PROJECT, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF SHARED CREDIT, SHARED PROCESS, AND SHARED IDEAS.
SO FAR WE'VE ENGAGED A HUGE NUMBER OF PARTNERS AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE THERE.
I'M JUST GONNA NOT READ 'EM TO YOU.
I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU TAKE A LOOK.
RESIDENTS, SEVERAL ENVIRONMENTAL NON-GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS, THE ROCK GROUP, WHICH IS RENTAL COMPANIES AND TOUR COMPANIES, RANCHING, PERMITEE, THE GAS COMPANY, SEVERAL RECREATION NGOS, USER GROUPS AND GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS.
WHAT'S THAT? I LIKE THE WORK GROUP.
I WILL, UM, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL OF OUR WORK GROUP HERE TODAY.
AND SO AT THIS TIME I'D LOVE FOR EITHER THE WORK GROUP AND THE CO-CONVENERS TO JUST STAND CUZ SEVERAL OF THEM ARE IN THE ROOM AND YOU'LL HEAR FROM A FEW OF 'EM LATER.
THERE ARE A FEW SPRINKLED ALL OVER.
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SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER HERE TO JESSICA IN JUST A MINUTE.
BUT WHERE ARE WE? WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME GETTING STARTED.
UM, WHEN YOU START A PROCESS LIKE THIS THAT YOU ANTICIPATE WILL LAST FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, YOU HAVE TO PUT THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND YOU HAVE TO BEGIN BUILDING TRUST AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HARD UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT IT IS.
THAT'S REALLY THE DIFFICULT THING THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO TACKLE.
SO WE SPENT SOME TIME GETTING STARTED.
WE HAVE NOW CONVENED THE OH THREE WORKING GROUP OF WHAT YOU JUST SAW.
WE HAVE BEEN TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
AND SO THIS IS FOR SOME OF YOU, THIS MAY BE THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE GSRC.
THERE WAS A PRESS RELEASE THAT WENT OUT AS WELL.
BUT WELCOME, PLEASE GET INVOLVED AND WE WILL MAYBE ONE DAY BE EXPANDING OUR FOCUS ONCE WE JUST SOLVE ALL THE O H V ISSUES, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO THINK POSITIVE.
ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GONNA PASS IT TO JESSICA AND WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, MUSICAL CHAIRS.
UH, SO TALKING ABOUT GETTING STARTED, WHAT HAVE WE BEEN UP TO IN THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF? WE REALLY KICKED THIS OFF LAST SUMMER WITH MEETING WITH THE CO CONVENERS.
AND SO WE TOOK A SITE VISIT TO THIS AREA TO SEE SOME OF THE AREAS OF CONCERN SPECIFICALLY FOR MOTORIZED RECREATION COMPLEXITIES.
UM, WE DID THAT WITH CITY OF SEDONA STAFF IN THE FOREST SERVICE, REALLY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.
UM, WE ALSO WORKED WITH OTHER COVEN ENTITIES TO UNDERSTAND THEIR PERSPECTIVES ON RECREATION CHALLENGES IN THE SEDONA AREA AND BRINGING THEM TOGETHER TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE, KNOWING THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A BIT OF A CONTENTIOUS PROCESS.
WE ALSO WORKED WITH THEM TO ESTABLISH SOME REALLY CLEAR EXPECTATIONS AND ROLES FOR THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CO CONVENERS ALL ALONG THE WAY TO HELP US MAKE KEY DECISIONS ABOUT WHO TO INVOLVE, WHEN TO INVOLVE AND HELP, BUT REALLY GUIDE THIS PROCESS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WITH THE CO CONVENERS IS TO IDENTIFY AN INITIAL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THIS PROCESS.
UH, SO TO, TO CONNECT WITH THOSE FOLKS.
WE KICKED OFF AN ASSESSMENT PROCESS, STARTING WITH A SERIES OF INTERVIEWS.
UH, WE DID 43 CONFIDENTIAL ONE HOUR INTERVIEWS, UH, WITH THE DIVERSITY OF PARTNERS REALLY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE DIVERSITY AND COMPLEXITY OF PERSPECTIVES AROUND RECREATION IN THE SEDONA AREA, UM, FOCUSING ON WHAT THEY SEE AS CHALLENGES, OPPORTUNITIES, AND, AND RELATIONSHIPS ACROSS THE AREA.
WE USE KIND OF A SNOWBALL APPROACH.
SO EACH PERSON THAT WE INTERVIEWED, WE ASKED IF THEY HAD RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHO ELSE WE MIGHT INTERVIEW.
UM, REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT COMPREHENSIVE, UH, BREADTH OF OF PEOPLE INVOLVED.
ANOTHER PART OF THE ASSESSMENT WAS A SERIES OF RESIDENTIAL SITE VISITS, UM, AND RESIDENTIAL SITE REPORTS.
UH, SO WE, HERE WE ARE IN THE PICTURE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE US AT THE BROKEN ARROW TRAIL HEAD AND THEN ALSO THE WEST SEDONA AR UH, TRAILHEAD.
THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF PLACE-BASED DISCUSSIONS, CONCERNS.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME SEEING IMPACTS ON THE GROUND, BUT ALSO BRAINSTORMING POTENTIAL STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS THOSE.
THIS WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO BUILD SOME CROSS-SITE AND CROSS STAKEHOLDER UNDERSTANDING.
SO WHILE WE ARE IN BROKEN ARROW FOLKS FROM THE WEST SEDONA AREA, WE'RE ALSO PARTICIPATING IN THAT MEETING LEARNING FROM ONE ANOTHER AND ALSO REALLY SUPPORTING THIS IDEA OF, OF NEEDING TO TAKE A HOLISTIC PERSPECTIVE.
UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE ACTION IN ONE AREA WILL CERTAINLY INFECT AFFECT THE USE IN OTHER AREAS.
ANOTHER PART OF THE GETTING STARTED WAS TO, TO COLLECT A TON OF RESOURCES, UM, RELEVANT TO RECREATION AND TO MOTORIZED RECREATION IN THE AREA.
WE COLLECTED THIS DATA IN A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS.
ONE WAS TO CREATE A RESOURCE PORTAL.
SO THIS IS A KIND OF A LIST OF LINKS TO ALL THE RESOURCES THAT WERE PROVIDED BY MANY OF OUR CO CONVENERS, INCLUDING CITY OF SEDONA AND OTHERS.
UM, REALLY USEFUL RESOURCES TO HELP GUIDE THE PROCESS AND GET PEOPLE ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE ALSO COLLECTED A LIST OF QUESTIONS FROM ALL OF THE PARTNERS THAT WE ENGAGED, UM, IN A LONG DOCUMENT AND ASKED ALL OF THE KOCH CONVENERS TO PROVIDE RESPONSES WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO, SO KIND OF A CLEARINGHOUSE OF FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS AND RESPONSES.
THIS WAS ALSO USEFUL TO HELP HIGHLIGHT THE AREAS WHERE WE NEEDED TO COLLECT DATA THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ANSWERS FOR YET.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAD THE WEBSITE, AS ANDY MENTIONED.
SO WHAT DID WE DO WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION? IT WAS A LOT.
WE REALLY WORK TO SYNTHESIZE ALL OF THIS.
SO WE PULLED FROM THE, THE SITE VISITS, THE REPORTS, AND ALSO THE INTERVIEWS TO HIGHLIGHT KEY THEMES FOCUSED ON CHALLENGES, OPPORTUNITIES AND STRATEGIES, UM, DESIRED OUTCOMES, INFORMATION NEEDS, AND THEN WHAT THIS REALLY MEANT FOR THE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS IN TERMS OF HOW WE DESIGN A WORKING GROUP, WHO WE INCLUDE IN A WORKING GROUP, UM, AND THE TIMELINE FOR THAT.
SO I'LL HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW OF THE TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS.
UM, SO TOP ISSUES, NOT SURPRISINGLY, THERE WERE A LOT OF HIGHLIGHTED ISSUES.
SOME OF THOSE WERE, UH, REALLY FOCUSED ON THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME.
SOMETIMES UNMANAGED, NOT A LOT HIGH DEMAND WITH MAYBE NOT ENOUGH PLACES FOR OHV USERS TO GO.
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OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE CLOSER TO HIGH USE AREAS.UM, SOME RESOURCE DAMAGE AND, AND A NEED FOR RESTORATION AND PROTECTION OF SOME AREAS, MAYBE.
UM, AND SOME MORE MAINTENANCE FOR ROUTE CONDITIONS.
REALLY A RECOGNITION THAT THERE WASN'T A, A LONG-TERM MONITORING PROGRAM IN PLACE TO INFORM DECISION MAKING, WHICH WAS THE BIG GAP.
UM, AND THEN A, A RECOGNIZED NEED FOR BETTER USER EDUCATION.
UM, AND MORE CAPACITY FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO HELP SUPPORT GOOD BEHAVIOR DESPITE BEING, UH, THERE BEING A LOT OF ISSUES.
THERE'S ALSO A TON OF CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT FOLKS ADRE UM, CAME UP WITH ONE.
AGAIN, AS WE MENTIONED, RECOGNIZING THE NEED FOR A REALLY BALANCED AND HOLISTIC APPROACH TO ADDRESS THIS CHALLENGE.
UM, FOCUSING ON IMPROVING AND INCREASING RESTORATION AND BUILDING ACRO, UH, UPON THE RESTORATION EFFORTS ALREADY UNDERWAY.
UH, REDUCING O OHV VOLUME IN SOME AREAS THROUGH REG REGULATION AND CHANGES IN POLICY, BUT ALSO, UM, PERHAPS DISPERSING USES TO OTHER AREAS USING THE THREE EES, WHICH THE FOREST SERVICE LOVES TO TALK ABOUT.
THAT'S ENGINEERING, ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION TO ENHA, UH, IMPROVE USER BEHAVIOR.
ALSO INCREASING ACCESS TO, TO MAPS, SIGNAGE, ET CETERA, TO INCREASE, UH, TO BETTER USER BEHAVIOR.
IMPLEMENTING A TRUSTED AND COMPREHENSIVE MONITORING PROGRAM THAT CAN BE USED TO INFORM GOOD DECISION MAKING AND THEN IMPROVING ACCOUNTABILITY.
SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HEARD IN THE ASSESSMENT, WE WERE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT OUTDOOR RECREATION BROADLY, BUT WHAT WE REALLY HEARD IS WE NEEDED TO FOCUS OUR TIME AND CAPACITY ON THE MOTORIZED RECREATION, UM, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY WE CONVENED THE O H B WORKING GROUP.
AND I'M GONNA PASS IT OVER TO MARK AND DO SOME MAGIC CHAIRS, MUSICAL CHAIRS.
SO THAT WAS THE GETTING STARTED PROCESS.
WE FINALLY GOT OUR GROUP TOGETHER.
SO AGAIN, BACK TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BALANCE REPRESENTATION, YOU CAN SEE THE BULLETS AND KIND OF THAT, THAT VARIETY OF FOLKS THAT WE HAVE THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ADMITTEDLY THE WHOLE KIND OF, THE WHOLE IDEA WITH THIS IS THAT FOLKS DIDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH EACH OTHER AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE EACH OTHER, BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THAT, THE CRITICAL EFFORTS OF THE GETTING STARTED PROCESS.
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS, ALL OF THE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS THAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS PROCESS COME FROM THE WORKING GROUP.
AND SO THEY ARE THE ENGINE OF THIS WHOLE ENTIRE OPERATION.
THE CO-CONVENERS ARE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY GROUNDED IN THE LAWS AND POLICIES AND REGULATIONS AND ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO KNOW BEFORE WE'RE PROPOSING SOLUTIONS.
AND THEN, UH, ANDY, JESSICA AND I JUST KIND OF HANG OUT AND HOPE EVERYTHING GOES WELL,
SO IN JANUARY IT WAS A LOT OF JUST GETTING ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT HOW THIS, WHAT THIS PROCESS IS GONNA BE, HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK, HOW WE'RE GONNA TREAT EACH OTHER, UM, KIND OF THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, AS IT WERE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH FOLKS WHO MAY NOT AGREE WITH EACH OTHER.
UM, A LOT OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR FULL WORKING GROUP MEETINGS ARE ABOUT EDUCATION AND LEARNING.
AND SO JANUARY AND FEBRUARY WE'RE KIND OF GETTING OURSELVES ESTABLISHED, BUT WE ARE ALSO STARTING TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET SOMEWHERE WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS DIAGRAM, THERE ARE SOME ROOT CAUSES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED PREVIOUSLY ON THE SLIDE THAT JESSICA DISCUSSED AND SOME POTENTIAL STRATEGIES.
AND SO WE STARTED TALKING THROUGH AS A WORKING GROUP, KIND OF HOW THINGS CAN CONNECT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS SPAGHETTI BOWL HERE, UM, KIND OF JUST CONFIRMED EVERYTHING.
WE WERE THINKING, THIS IS COMPLICATED AND THIS IS A MESS.
AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? LUCKILY, OUR WORKING GROUP IS MOTIVATED.
THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE ROOT CAUSES AND POTENTIAL STRATEGIES, CONNECT THEM TOGETHER AND START IDENTIFYING ACTION TEAMS. AND SO WORKING GROUP MEETINGS.
THESE FULL MEETINGS ARE FOR EDUCATION AND LEARNING, MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THE SAME INFORMATION ACTION TEAMS ARE HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF OUR WORKING GROUP MEETINGS.
UM, WE DO MONTHLY WORKING GROUP MEETINGS, THREE HOURS AT ONCE.
I THINK BY NOON ON THE SECOND THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
THEY'RE ALL COMPLETELY SICK OF US.
AND THEN THEY GET TOGETHER IN SMALLER TEAMS TO DO FOCUSED CONVERSATIONS ON SOME OF THESE EFFORTS.
AND SO THESE FOLKS ARE PUTTING IN A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY INTO THIS.
AND IT'S, IT'S STARTING TO SHOW, UM, MARCH, WE TALKED ABOUT OHV CONSIDERATIONS FOR CO-CONVENERS.
WE REALLY GOT A GOOD PRESENTATION FROM A LOT OF THE LAND MANAGEMENT AGENCIES LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S POSSIBLE, WHAT'S REALISTIC? UM, NO IDEA'S, A BAD IDEA, BUT SOME IDEAS ARE GONNA GET STOPPED BECAUSE OF REALITY, RIGHT? SO TRYING TO GET GROUNDED IN, IN WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND WHAT'S NOT.
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AN EFFORT INTO LEARNING ABOUT THE RENTAL COMPANIES AND THE EDUCATION EFFORTS THAT THEY PUT FORTH WITH THE CLIENTS THAT THEY RECEIVE.AND SO HOW DO THEY TALK TO THEIR CLIENTS WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT STEWARDSHIP? UM, THE AZ GAME AND FISH VIDEO THAT WAS PRODUCED FOR GOOD OHV BEHAVIOR GETS DISPLAYED AT THESE BUSINESSES.
WE WENT AND KINDA LEARNED, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR MESSAGING LOOKS LIKE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY RECEIVE CLIENTS.
UM, WE ALSO GOT TO SEE A MUFFLER DEMONSTRATION.
SOME OF THE BUSINESSES, UM, DID A BUNCH OF RESEARCH.
THEY PURCHASED A, A MUFFLER TO ATTACH TO ONE OF THEIR UNITS TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW VOLUME CAN BE DECREASED, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HOW MUCH IT COSTS, WHAT THE REALITY OF IT IS TO KIND OF INFORM SOME OF THE EFFORTS MOVING FORWARD.
IN LAST MONTH, WE GOT BACK OUT INTO THE FIELD, AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO SEE ON THE GROUND, WE WERE ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING THROUGH THE ROCK GROUP AND THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE FRIENDS OF FOREST, UM, SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESTORATION THAT THEY'VE DONE.
UM, TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE FOLKS STAY ON THE, THE DESIGNATED ROUTES WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.
UH, WE GOT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE IMPACTS, AND WE GOT TO TO LEARN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS AFFECTS THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA, HOW THE, IT AFFECTS THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BUSINESSES AND LIVELIHOODS IN THE AREA.
AND, AND REALLY TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THIS? AND KIND OF WHAT STRATEGIES CAN WE CARRY FORWARD AND PROPOSE TO START IMPROVING LANDSCAPES.
I THINK EVERYBODY LEARNED A LOT OUT OF THAT.
WE GOTTA SEE A COUPLE DIFFERENT STOPS.
UH, PINK SHEET PROVIDED THE JEEPS, YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO THERE.
WE GOT ALL GOT, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL TOURS, UH, WHICH WAS REALLY, REALLY FORTUNATE FOR US.
UM, AND THEN THIS UPCOMING MEETING IN A COUPLE WEEKS HERE, UH, WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE ACTION TEAMS THAT THEY ARE READY TO BEGIN SPEAKING TO THE FULL WORKING GROUP ABOUT SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE.
AND SO THE IDEA IS THE ACTION TEAMS COME UP WITH SOME THINGS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO CARRY FORWARD, SOME SOLUTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO PROPOSE.
THEY'LL BRING IT TO THE WORKING GROUP.
WORKING GROUP WILL DISCUSS AND APPROVE THESE IDEAS, ALLOWING THE FULL GROUP TO MOVE FORWARD AND WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH THE COVES AND THE LAND MANAGEMENT ENTITIES.
THEY ARE PUSHING US TO GET THINGS DONE, AND WE ARE STAYING ON TASK BECAUSE OF THEM.
AND ALL OF THE CREDIT THUS FAR GOES TO THIS WORKING GROUP FOR SURE.
UM, AND NOW SPEAKING OF WORKING GROUP MEMBERS, WE'D LIKE TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF SOME OF THE ACTION TEAM LEADS TO GIVE SHORT UPDATES ON WHAT THEY'VE BEEN UP TO SO FAR.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE STEPHANIE BACK TO THE MICROPHONE.
STEPHANIE GIRE IS ONE OF THE LEADS FOR OUR POLICY AND LEGISLATION ACTION TEAM.
JUST AS IT SAYS, POLICY AND LEGISLATION IS, UM, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND LAWS THAT, UH, GOVERN WHAT GOES ON IN OUR, OUR AREAS HERE.
UH, MY TEAM MEMBERS ARE MYSELF, NINA BARLOW, BARLOW'S, JEEP RENTAL, DEANNA BENLEY, BEAR MOUNTAIN RESIDENT, TIM HOLT, ARIZONA FISH AND GAME.
JANET JOHNSON, BEAR MOUNTAIN RESIDENT, JOHN JOHNSON, DEPUTY Y C S O, AMY TILER, HOLD, SEDONA RED ROCK DISTRICT RANGER.
AND, UM, AN EX OFFICIO PARTICIPANT FROM TIME TO TIME IS BECKY ROSS FROM THE WINDMILL CATTLE RANCH.
SO WE'VE GOT A, AN EXCELLENT, UM, ROUND, VERY WELL ROUNDED GROUP.
IT'S WELL REPRESENTED FROM, FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS, WHICH OF COURSE IS WHAT WE NEED IS A HOLISTIC LOOK AT, UH, WHAT IT IS WE'RE DEALING WITH.
THE FIRST MEETING WAS TO DETERMINE THE SCOPE AND THE GOALS OF OUR COMMITTEE.
UM, UH, WE DETERMINED, UH, AND, UH, THAT WE NEED TO DETERMINE AND VET LEGISLATION AND POLICIES AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, WHAT'S ON THE GROUND NOW, AND IDENTIFY NEW LEGISLATION OR POLICY NEEDED, IF ANY, VETTING INCLUDES LANGUAGE, HOW THE POLICIES AND LAWS ARE WRITTEN AND CRAFTED, NEED APPLICABILITY, ADMINISTRATION, PROS AND CONS, POTENTIAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
AND BELIEVE ME, WE'RE LEARNING A LOT.
I MEAN, UH, JUST THE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW FROM, UH, WHAT THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES NEED TO DEAL WITH, UH, THE DEPUTY'S OFFICE, FISH AND GAME, THE ENFORCEMENT ELEMENT OF IT, YOU KNOW, PLUS, OF COURSE, ALL OF OUR PERSONAL DESIRES TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE AS RESIDENTS IN PLACE.
UM, IT, IT IS, AS YOU MENTIONED, TIM, IT'S AN EDUCATION ALL THE WAY AROUND FOR, FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.
AND WE'RE PREPARED TO BRING THOSE ELEMENTS FORWARD TO THE WORKING GROUP PRETTY SOON.
UM, THE SECOND PART OF THAT FIRST MEETING WAS JUST A FREE ASSOCIATION OF IDEAS OF ALL THESE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BANDIED ABOUT IN THE GROUP, SO WE CAN GET A, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LOOK AT THE MENTAL LANDSCAPE OF WHAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, UM, AND POTENTIALLY ADDRESS IN OUR SECOND MEETING.
UM, AND THIS IS A GROSS OVER SIMPLIFICATION, BUT, UM, WE LOOKED AT WHAT LEGISLATION AND POLICY IS ALREADY IN PLACE AND FOUND THAT IT, IT, UH, COVERED MOST IF, IF NOT ALL
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POTENTIAL SCENARIOS THAT WE'D IDENTIFIED IN OUR FIRST MEETING.UH, AND ACTUALLY PHISH AND GAME PRIOR TO THE GSRC CONVENING, UM, HAD BEGUN THE BETTING PROCESS OF THE LAWS THAT WERE ON THE GROUND CURRENTLY.
AND, UM, TIM HOLT, WHO WAS OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM THAT AGENCY, THIS, UH, UH, WILL BE BRINGING FORTH THE EFFORTS THAT, UH, FISH AND GAME HAS ALREADY DONE TO BET THOSE INDIVIDUAL, UH, PIECES OF LEGISLATION AND POLICY.
AND IN OUR THIRD MEETING, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR THE MAY THE 13TH, WE'LL BE TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT FISH AND GAME HAS DONE IN THAT RESPECT.
CONTINUE TO LEARN MORE, AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, SEE WHAT WE HAVE AND DETERMINE NEXT STEPS.
FROM OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND EDUCATION TEAM, CLIFF HAMILTON, COMING IN FROM THE BACK.
IT'S PROBABLY JUST AS EASY TO DO THAT FROM HERE.
UM, BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE SPOKEN IN THIS CHAMBER.
OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND EDUCATION ACTION TEAM REALLY HAS A TWO, UH, FOLD PURPOSE, KIND OF AS THE NAME IMPLIES.
COMMUNICATION BEING THE OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC IN ITS VARIOUS FORMS, NEWS RELEASES, PRESENTATIONS, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THAT'S STRICTLY ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS.
SO THERE'S NO KIND OF TIMELINE.
AND WHENEVER WE MAY BE PUTTING OUT A NEWS RELEASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, EDUCATION COMPONENT ACTUALLY IS MORE OF AN INTERNALLY FOCUSED SORT OF THING, FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON THE OPERATORS OF OHVS AND, AND WHAT KINDS OF EDUCATION TRAINING INFORMATION THEY'RE GETTING FROM VARIOUS SOURCES.
UM, WE'VE MET, UH, THREE TIMES NOW IN, IN ON ZOOM, AND, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, I THINK ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW, HOWEVER, IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE TONIGHT MAY HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, EFFECT ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ACTION TEAM, ESPECIALLY IN THE EDUCATION AREA.
UH, AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
SO I THINK THAT'S SHORT AND QUICK AND SWEET.
FROM OUR DATA GATHERING AND MONITORING TEAM, CARL JACKSON, BROKEN ARROW RESIDENT.
UH, SO I GUESS MY NAME'S CARL JACKSON.
I REPRESENT THE DATA GATHERING AND MONITORING ACTION TEAM, AND OUR TEAM HAS BEEN AT VERY, VERY ACTIVE.
I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A FULL-TIME JOB NOW BEING ON THIS TEAM.
WE MEET TWICE A MONTH, TWO HOURS EACH TIME.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'VE MET SIX TIMES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE LARGER WORKING GROUP WHERE WE, IF WE THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING IMPORTANT TO BRING TO THE LARGER WORKING GROUP, THEN WE TALK TO SDR AND SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO, TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
OUR TEAM INCLUDES, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FOREST SERVICE, UVA, PI COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, PINK JEEP RESIDENCE, A GRAZING, PERMITTING ON FOREST LAND, FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, AND KEEPS IT OWNER BEAUTIFUL.
SO WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, VERY HARDWORKING TEAM.
OUR FIRST INITIATIVE HAS BEEN EVALUATING DATA COLLECTED BY VEHICLE COUNTERS THAT WERE INSTALLED BY THE FOREST SERVICE IN NOVEMBER OF 2022 AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS.
WE'RE ALSO EVALUATING SOME HISTORIC DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED IN PRIOR YEARS.
SO WE'RE DOING COUNTING VEHICLES.
THE NEXT THING WE'RE DOING IS VEHICLE TYPES.
YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE JEEPS? WHAT ARE ATVS? UVS? SO THAT REQUIRES CAMERAS.
SO WE'RE JUST STARTING BABY STEPS.
WE ARE DOING GAME CAMERAS AND, UH, AND TEAM MEMBERS ARE GETTING A BASELINE COUNT.
UM, AND ALL THAT DATA IS ON, UH, THE GSRC WEBSITE UNDER THE DATA MONITORING TAB.
BUT WE DETERMINE THAT WE REALLY NEED MORE SOPHISTICATED WAYS TO CAPTURE VEHICLE TYPES.
AND SO WE ARE PURCHASING OR FACILITATING THE PURCHASE OF, UM, SOME MORE SOPHISTICATED MOTION DETECTING CAMERAS.
PLUS WE'RE TAPPING INTO OTHER OPTIONS.
UH, ONE, ONE OF 'EM IS A VENDOR CALLED FLOCK SAFETY THAT'S USED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND WE WANT TO THANK, UH, LIEUTENANT JOHNSON FOR HELPING US WITH THAT.
UM, HA WE HAVEN'T INSTALLED IT YET, BUT ALL THESE THINGS WILL BE INSTALLED SOON, UH, INCLUDING TWO ELECTRONIC SIGNS THAT, UM, WILL RECORD THE SPEED OF VEHICLES.
SO ALL THAT PART IS GATHERING DATA.
THAT'S THE DATA GATHERING PART OF OUR GROUP.
THE MONITORING PART IS EVOLVING, AND THAT IS OUR TEAM REALLY FIGURING OUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO IDENTIFY AND MEASURE THE IMPACTS OF TRAFFIC OVER THE LONG RUN.
SO WE'RE INVESTIGATING VARIOUS APPS, UH, LIKE CERTAIN APPS THAT WHERE USERS CAN DOCUMENT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND ON THE APP IT'LL RECORD A GPS COORDINATE SO THAT SOMEONE CAN COME TO THAT ACTUAL LOCATION AND REMEDIATE THAT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND WE'RE ALSO DISCUSSING CREATING A VISITOR SURVEY TO MEASURE SOCIAL IMPACTS.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS WE'RE DOING.
AND OF COURSE, THERE'S CHALLENGES AND WE HAVE THREE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IDENTIFIED.
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IS JUST WHAT DO WE MONITOR AND HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE? THERE ARE JUST SO MANY IMPACTS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.SO DETERMINING WHICH ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS TO MONITOR HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.
THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S ONLY A SMALL GROUP, UM, FUNDING.
WE'RE THINKING ALREADY ABOUT FUNDING, LIKE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO, AND WE JUST CAN'T GATHER DATA.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS GOING OVER THE LONG RUN.
HOW ARE WE GONNA ACTUALLY GET FUNDING FOR ALL THIS PLUS FUNDING FOR JUST DA DATA GATHERING? AND THEN THE LAST THING WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT RECENTLY IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED TO GET ACCUMULATE THIS DATA BEFORE IT'S USEFUL? DO WE HAVE TO DO A WHOLE YEAR? CAN WE JUST DO SIX MONTHS? CAN WE DO THREE MONTHS? AND WE'VE DECIDED THAT WE'LL JUST SEE HOW IT GOES.
WE'LL SEE WHAT WE'VE LEARNED AND WE'LL SEE IF THAT CAN BE EXTRAPOLATED.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR DATA GATHERING MONITORING TEAM.
FROM OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND RESTORATION TEAM, ANNIE GLICKSTEIN WITH THE FRIENDS OF FOREST.
UH, SO I'M, I AM REPRESENTING THAT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION RESTORATION ACTION TEAM.
WE CONSIST OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FOREST SERVICE, ROCK CONCERNED RESIDENTS, GRAZING PERMIT, FRIENDS OF THE FOREST AND SOME WESTERNERS.
AND, AND THE TEAM HAS DONE, I'D SAY FOUR THINGS SO FAR.
ONE EXECUTED A LITERATURE REVIEW OF BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES FOR RESTORATION OF AREAS IMPACTED BY, OH, HBUS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, YOU KNOW, IN OUR ENVIRONMENT ALL AROUND.
SECOND, THE FOREST SERVICE ROCK AND F O F, WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN SOME RESTORATION INITIATIVES PRIOR TO THE ACTION TEAM, UM, FORMING, LIKE WE'VE DONE LOG WARM FENCING, RECEDING KIOSK INSTALLATIONS, UM, AND OTHER PROJECTS, YOU KNOW.
BUT THIS TEAM IS CONTINUING WITH MORE RESTORATION PROJECTS WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF ESTABLISHING A QUICK RESPONSE TEAM TO MITIGATE O H V IMPACTS EARLIER BEFORE THEY BECOME PROBLEMATIC.
AND THAT TAPS INTO WHAT, YOU KNOW, CARL WAS SAYING ABOUT THE, UH, APP AND HOPEFULLY UTILIZING THAT.
SO THIRD, WE'RE DEVELOPING A PHOTO POINT MONITORING PROGRAM.
SO THAT WOULD ESTABLISH BASELINE PHOTOS, WHICH WE HAVE A TON OF
UH, SO THEN WE WOULD DOCUMENT THE GPS LOCATIONS OF THOSE SITES AND THE SEVERITY OF THE IMPACTS PRIORITIZE FUTURE RESTORATION PROJECTS, EITHER WITH THE QUICK RESPONSE TEAM AND OR A LARGER ROCK EFFORT.
ALSO THE PHOTO DOCUMENT, THE RESTORATION ACTIVITIES, THE BEFORE PICTURE, THE, DURING THE RESTORATION ACTIVITY, AND THEN LIKE MAYBE A YEAR LATER FOLLOWING UP ON IT ANOTHER YEAR LATER, DID IT WORK? OR DO WE NEED TO COME BACK AND REDO SOMETHING? CUZ THAT WASN'T THE BEST TECHNIQUE.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE PERIODIC PHOTOGRAPHS TO DETERMINE IF THE RESTORATION EFFORTS WERE EFFECTIVE.
AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE IS THIS TEAM THOUGHT IT WAS TO SCHEDULE SEVERAL FOREST SERVICE SPECIALISTS FOR A FIELD TRIP COMING UP NEXT MONTH.
AND, UM, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE GREATER SEDONA AREAS THAT WERE HARDEST HIT BY SOME OF THE TRAFFIC.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE BIOLOGIST BOTANIST, HYDROLOGIST ARCHEOLOGIST, AND ARRANGE LAND SPECIALIST.
UH, THIS SHOULD HELP FOCUS THE RESTORATION PROJECTS AND DETERMINE THEIR PRIORITIES AND BEST PRACTICES.
RIGHT? SO DO WE PREPARE BY GETTING NATIVE SEED? DO WE GET THAT NOW BEFORE THE MON, YOU KNOW, MONSOONS AND STUFF? UM, WHERE DO WE GET THE MATERIALS? WHERE DO WE STORE THE MATERIALS, RIGHT? WHAT TYPES OF TOOLS ARE WE GONNA NEED? HOW CAN WE BE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO DIFFERENT DISASTERS OR EXPECTED EVENTS WITH THE VARIOUS RESTORATION TECHNIQUES? AND WHAT ARE THE VARIOUS RESTORATION TECHNIQUES, BECAUSE ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS HAVE DIFFERENT DEMANDS.
AND OUR FINAL ACTION TEAM IS THE SUSTAINABLE FUNDING TEAM.
IT'S LED BY MATT EBERHART, THE O H V PROGRAM COORDINATOR FOR ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS.
HE IS CURRENTLY CHAIRING THE STATE COMMITTEE ON TRAILS MEETING TONIGHT IN PHOENIX.
SO I HAVE A SHORT MESSAGE FROM HIM.
THE SUSTAINABLE FUNDING ACTION TEAM IS COMPOSED OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ARIZONA STATE PARKS, COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST AND VERDE VALLEY TRAIL FUND.
OUR TEAM HAS IDENTIFIED 27 DIFFERENT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES, INCLUDING FEDERAL, STATE, AND NON-GOVERNMENT FUNDING, AS WELL AS SOURCES WITH DIFFERENT FOCUSES.
THOSE FOCUSES INCLUDE MOTORIZED AND SOME APPLICABLE NON-MOTORIZED FOCUSES.
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AS THE WORKING GROUP AND OTHER ACTION TEAMS IDENTIFY NEEDS FOR FUNDING, THE SUSTAINABLE FUNDING TEAM CAN HELP GUIDE THEM THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND FINE TUNE THE BEST FUNDING SOURCES BASED ON PROJECT NEEDS.THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE ACTION TEAM LEADS.
UM, FOR SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS NOW, THIS, WORKING WITH THIS GROUP, THIS IS THE FASTEST I'VE EVER SEEN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT MOVE FORWARD IN TERMS OF GETTING MOTIVATED AND DOING GOOD WORK.
UM, SO WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE BEEN UP TO? AND CARL STOLE A LOT OF OUR, OUR THUNDER, THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAPPING THINGS IN HERE, BUT ON PAGE FOUR OF YOUR DOCUMENT, YOU CAN SEE EARLY IN THE PROCESS, I SAID WE WANTED TO DEVELOP SHORT, MEDIUM, AND LONG-TERM STRATEGIES.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MOVE AT THE SPEED OF TRUST, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE SOME REAL NEEDS IN THE SEDONA AREA.
SO THERE ARE FOUR AREAS IN WHICH A LOT OF GOOD WORK HAS BEEN DONE.
THE FIRST IS IN DATA COLLECTION.
AND THIS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, SOME SPEED MONITORING SIGNS, VEHICLE COUNTERS, AND IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, KAREN SAYS THAT REPORT WILL BE OUT SOON.
UM, SPECIFICALLY INDIRECTLY MITIGATING IMPACTS.
MARK TALKED ABOUT THE MUFFLER SYSTEM.
ANNIE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE REHAB AND, UH, RESOURCE PROTECTION, BROKEN ARROW, TRAILHEAD MODIFICATION AND PROCESS.
THE FOREST SERVICE IS LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE HELP RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA FOR IDLING VEHICLES? HOW CAN WE MAKE THE PARKING MORE BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYONE TO MOVE TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT AREA? UM, INVESTIGATING NATIVE SEED SOURCES LIKE ANNIE TALKED ABOUT, ALSO INCREASE SIGNAGE, MORE VISIBLE SIGNAGE AND EDUCATION AT KIOSKS FOR FREQUENTLY USED O HV ROUTES, LARGE DIG DIGITAL SIGNS, UM, BY THE, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA, BOTH AT BROKEN ARROW AND AT 1 52 C.
AND THEN ALSO MONEY COMING IN FOR INCREASED O OHV ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BIG FIGURES THERE, AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, REALLY GREAT.
WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE WENT TO VISIT SOME OF THE RENTAL COMPANIES.
UM, THEY TALKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE GAME AND FISH EDUCATIONAL VIDEO, AND IT WAS, IT WAS ANECDOTAL, BUT IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING THAT THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO HAVING THESE RENTAL GROUPS, UM, HAVE THEIR PATRONS WATCH THIS VIDEO.
AND THEY'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN ROLLOVER, THEY THINK DIRECTLY APPLICABLE TO THIS EDUCATIONAL VIDEO.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP DOING GREAT WORK WITH THE ACTION TEAMS. AND IT'S A SPAGHETTI.
IT'S STILL A SPAGHETTI, BUT WE'RE STARTING TO FIND SOME PASS.
AND SO WE, WE ARE CONSIDERING USING IN NEXT MONTH.
UM, THIS GROUP, ONE OF THE ACTION TEAMS WILL PRESENT THIS TO, TO US, BUT THERE'S THIS INTERAGENCY VISITOR USE MANAGEMENT FRAMEWORK THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFULLY USED BY SEVERAL, SEVERAL FEDERAL AGENCIES.
AND IT'S KIND OF A WAY TO ORGANIZE HOW YOU BUILD A FOUNDATION DEFINED VISITOR USE, IDENTIFY STRATEGIES, AND IMPLEMENT AND MONITOR.
SO IT'S THIS, THIS WAY TO DO GOOD WORK IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION.
AND IN THIS CASE WE'LL BE APPLYING IT TO OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLE ISSUES.
WE DO WANT SOON TO COME UP WITH SOME CONCRETE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE DO SOON WANT TO TAKE THOSE TO THE PUBLIC TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR PROBABLY FOR THOSE INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN IN THE LONG TERM, WE WANNA PURSUE AND SUPPORT, IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION OF STRATEGIES AND ALSO, AGAIN, THINK BEYOND O H V IF THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE AT THAT TIME.
UM, SO JUST READING A FEW REFLECTIONS FROM THE COLLABORATIVE.
THIS IS FROM CRAIG SWANSON, WHO I THINK IS IN, I SHOULD JUST HAVE HIM READ IT HIMSELF.
BUT CRAIG SAYS, THE GSRC MONITORING MOTORIZED WORKING GROUP IS OUR BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR ARRIVING AT A CONSENSUS DRIVEN SET OF SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS WHAT KEEPS SEDONA BEAUTIFUL, BELIEVES IN A IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL CRISIS IN THE MAKING.
IF WE FAIL TO ACT PROMPTLY, IRRESPONSIBLE, RECREATORS WILL SCAR THE SCAR, THE LAND FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
ANNIE AND MELISSA WITH FRIENDS OF THE FOREST SAYS, THE PRIMARY GOALS OF FRIENDS OF THE FOREST ARE TO HELP FOREST SERVICE MAINTAIN ITS TRAILS AND CULTURAL RESOURCES, REDUCE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE CAUSED BY INCREASING HUMAN IMPACT, ASSIST IN EDUCATION, AND IMPROVE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ENHANCE THE FOREST EXPERIENCE FOR VISITORS AND RESIDENTS ALIKE.
WE FEEL LIKE PARTICIPATING IN THIS WORK GROUP ALLOWS US TO BETTER FULFILL OUR MISSION AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
AND LASTLY, NINA, WHO I THINK IS SITTING RIGHT BEHIND ME.
THERE'S NO OTHER COLLECTION OF PEOPLE THAT'S MORE CAPABLE OF COMING UP WITH A COLLABORATIVE AND INCLUSIVE SOLUTION TO THE ISSUES THAT SEDONA FACE, THAT FACE, SEDONA AREA RECREATION.
THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO'VE COME TOGETHER REPRESENT NOT ONLY THE WIDEST VARIETY OF INTERESTS THAT HAVE EVER ASSEMBLED ON THIS TOPIC, BUT ALSO THESE INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE BACKGROUND, PROVEN COMMITMENT AND PERSEVERANCE TO DELVE INTO ALL ASPECTS OF THESE ISSUES AND CARRY THROUGH TO SOME RESOLUTIONS THAT WILL STICK.
TRULY EFFECTIVE COLLABORATION TAKES TIME AND AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S NO ONE AND DONE THIS GROUP IS IN IT FOR
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THE LONG-TERM AND FAR-REACHING SOLUTIONS.UM, WE LOOK TO YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS FOR QUESTIONS, IDEAS ON WHAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE TO YOU.
AND ALSO WE'D LIKE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE COUNCIL NEED FROM US? WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE, WE'D LIKE TO COME BACK AS OFTEN AS YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE US.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
SORRY, PETE, I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT.
UH, I STARTED ON THIS SIDE LAST TIME, SO, UH, BRIAN, YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO ASK OR YOU WANT ME TO GO TO THE OTHER SIDE FIRST? CAN GO FIRST.
OH, WELL WE, I STARTED WITH JESSICA BEFORE, SO, ALL RIGHT.
YEAH, JUST, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF BRIEF QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, YOU HAD A TEST OF A MUFFLER OF BUYING ONE AND FITTING IT, BUT WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF THAT TEST IN TERMS OF, DID IT LOWER THE DECIBEL LEVEL BY HOW MUCH YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE COST OF THAT MIGHT BE TO THE COMPANIES? WHAT IS THAT COST? OH, I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME SPECIFICS ON SOME OF THESE, UH, EXAMPLES AND, AND THINGS YOU'VE BEEN DOING.
SO I THINK THERE IS, UH, AN ESTIMATED, IT'S REALLY HARD TO MEASURE DECIBEL LEVEL, BUT AN ESTIMATED DECREASE IN ABOUT EIGHT DECIBELS, WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT DECIBELS ARE MEASURED.
UM, IN TERMS OF COST, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE, MARK, MAYBE YOU REMEMBER.
UM, BUT THIS IS VERY MUCH IN PROGRESS.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A TRIAL MUFFLER, A MUFFLER, AND THE SYSTEM WOULD BE DEVELOPED FURTHER.
I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO WONDER IF, WELL, FIRST THE DECIBEL LEVEL EIGHT, I, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD NUMBER, BUT THAT'S FROM WHAT TO WHAT? I DON'T KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, THE FULL IMPACT OF THAT.
COULD YOU, DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HERE, I DUNNO IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO INVITE SOMEONE THAT UP THAT CAN ADDRESS THAT DIRECTLY, IF YOU KNOW THAT.
UM, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT, UM, MOST PEOPLE, WE DID A LITTLE ROUTE WHERE PEOPLE WENT UP THE STREET AND THEN RACED DOWN THE STREET LOUD.
AND SO MY EARS, AND WE CAN GET THROUGH THAT INFORMATION COUNSELOR KINSELLA.
AND, AND THE, THE REASON THAT THIS WORKING GROUP DECIDED TO WORK ON THIS ALMOST IMMEDIATELY WAS BECAUSE THE COUNCIL HAD HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS IN A PREVIOUS MONTH.
AND SO I, I JUST WANTED, AS A TESTAMENT TO REALLY THE GROUP LISTENING AND TRYING TO WORK ON THOSE THINGS, THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON WHY THE GROUP DECIDED TO, TO EXPLORE THAT.
AND SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU ALL IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, IN HAVING THE GROUP CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT, PURSUE THAT YOU MAKE THAT CLEAR TO US AND WE CAN BRING THAT UP.
I WOULD LIKE SOME, WHENEVER YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME FOLLOW UP INFORMATION, JUST SOME WHAT THE LEVEL, THE EIGHT POINTS REPRESENT FROM WHAT TO WHAT AND ALSO THE, THE COST OF THAT.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL.
I KNOW NOT LOOKING FOR AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT IS IT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DOABLE FOR COMPANIES OR IS IT ALREADY SO PROHIBITIVE OFF THE BAT? I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT I'D BE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TESTING AND TRYING IN YOUR FIELD OPERATIONS.
WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.
ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UM, THE SUSTAINABLE FUNDING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN 27, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, THAT'S GREAT.
UM, WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THIS TRANSITION OFF TO SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THANK YOU FOR EXPLORING THOSE.
BUT WHAT IS THE OVERALL BUDGET THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING RIGHT NOW? THE ONLY THING WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR IS THE BUDGET TO CONTINUE FACILITATING THE PROCESS AND THE WORKING GROUP AND ACTION TEAMS MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE WE DON'T YET HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE SET OF SOLUTIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD.
UM, SO I THINK RIGHT NOW THAT THIS IS COMPLICATED, I THINK THERE'S SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE A BUDGETS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AND SOME OF THOSE ARE ALREADY BEING PURSUED BY THE ACTION TEAMS AND GRANT FUNDING TO DO THAT.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS TO KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CONCRETE SET OF CONSENSUS-BASED STRATEGIES TO WORK FROM YET.
WOULD MY COLLEAGUES ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? YEAH, THE, THE 27 SOURCES ARE GRANTS.
AND SO MOST OF THESE GRANTS ARE COMING FROM ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT REQUIRE SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS.
SO THESE, THESE PROJECTS NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE LAND MANAGEMENT AGENCIES THAT THEY'RE ON.
AND SO WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET IN THE PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THIS FUNDING.
BUT AT LEAST YOU HAVE THE LAND MANAGEMENT GROUPS AS PART OF YOUR CORRECT.
AT THE TABLE SO THEY KNOW RIGHT.
THEY KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH ONE OF THOSE SOLUTIONS WOULD COST
AND THE, THE BUDGET FOR CONTINUING FORWARD FOR THE FACILITATION, CUZ I, UM, YOU MAY KNOW REFERENCES TO HOW FAST THINGS ARE MOVING AND IT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S BEEN GREAT PROGRESS AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT IT ALSO SOUNDS AT THE SAME TIME THE BALANCE THAT IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN THAT WORK OR
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THAT PROGRESS IS A LONG HAUL.I THINK LONGER MAYBE THAN I REALIZED, YOU KNOW, IN WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SEDONA CITY OF SEDONA BEING A, A FUNDER OF THIS, ONE, OF ONE OF THE FUNDERS OF THIS AS WELL.
SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT AS TO THE TIMELINE AND THE FUNDING COST FOR THE FACILITATION AS WE GO FORWARD? CUZ THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS AND THINGS, SO THAT WOULD, INFORMATION WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'VE GOT A SHARED FUNDING MODEL NOW AND WE CERTAINLY HOPE TO CONTINUE THAT AND PERHAPS EVEN LOOP FURTHER ENTITIES INTO THAT FACILITATION MODEL.
WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER MODELS OF THAT IN THE AREA.
FOR EXAMPLE, VERDE FRONT, A SUSTAINABLE RECREATION COLLABORATIVE AT THE VERDE VALLEY THAT SEDONA PARTICIPATES IN.
THAT'S A KIND OF A MODEL FOR SHARED FUNDING ACROSS MANY ORGANIZATIONS, UM, INCLUDING CITY AND UH, KIND OF MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL AS OTHER ORGANIZATION TYPES.
IN TERMS OF FACILITATION BUDGET, WE HAVE, UH, PROPOSED A REALLY BROAD, UM, SCOPE FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
THAT COST WOULD BE AROUND $90,000.
UM, THAT'S INCLUDING SOME SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC OUTREACH WORKSHOPS AND ALSO THE FACILITATION OF THE CO CONVENING MEETINGS AS WELL AS THE MOTORIZED RECREATION WORKING GROUP MEETINGS.
AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CO CONVENERS NOW TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PART OF THE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PURSUE FUNDING FROM, UM, AND WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF TIMELINE MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OUTLINED THE SHORT, MEDIUM, LONG TERM.
UM, WE SUSPECT THAT THIS WILL BE A HEAVY PROCESS IN THE FRONT TO REALLY GET THE ACTION TEAMS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, HOWEVER THIS LIKELY WILL WIND DOWN AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, COLLABORATIVES ARE ONGOING AND THERE CERTAINLY WILL BE A NEED TO MONITOR AND MOVE, UM, REVIEW THE IMPLEMENTATIONS OF STRATEGIES.
SO WE DON'T IMAGINE THIS GOING, UM, ALL THE WAY AWAY IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY IN THE LONG TERM, PROBABLY WINDING DOWN TO A MUCH LOWER BUDGET.
AND AGAIN, WHEN ALL THE WORK THAT GOES INTO BUILDING A COLLABORATIVE LIKE THIS IS, IS YOU DON'T WANNA LOSE THE VALUE OF THAT.
SO WHAT DO YOU SEE? CUZ CUZ THINGS, NOBODY IN THE ROOM MIGHT KNOW THIS, BUT THERE MIGHT BE CHANGES ABOUT OHVS IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WHO KNOWS.
UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS COLLABORATIVE GOING? WE ALWAYS SAY THAT WE LIKE TO WORK OURSELVES OUT OF A JOB
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WORKING IN THIS ROOM.
ONE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD AT ME RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE PREPARED TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THIS COLLABORATIVE.
UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY YOUR COMMUNITY IS, IS WELL VERSED TO MAINTAIN THIS COLLABORATIVE WITH OR WITHOUT FACILITATION SERVICES FAR INTO THE FUTURE.
WHAT ABOUT ON OTHER PARTS OF RECREATION OTHER THAN ATV O H V? YEAH.
WHAT, LIKE WHAT OTHER AREAS HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME USE FOR THIS? WELL, I, AS FAR AS WHAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, I WOULD TURN THAT BACK OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE THE ASSESSMENT DID REVIEW SOME OF THOSE.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, FACILITATION SERVICES ARE VERY HELPFUL WHEN BEGINNING A COLLABORATIVE IN TERMS OF KIND OF KEEPING THE TRAIN AND ALIGNMENT AND, YOU KNOW, BRINGING INFORMATION IN AND AND AND REPORTING OUT.
UM, SO JESSICA, WHAT OTHER THINGS CAME UP? I MEAN, CERTAINLY OHV WAS THE ONE THAT, SO MUCH SO THAT THEY SAID LET'S FOCUS ON THIS NOW.
UM, BUT IT IS REALLY VISITOR USE, RIGHT? I MEAN, SEDONA GETS A TON OF VISITORS AND THERE'S A TON OF RECREATION WITHIN THE O H V REALM, BUT THERE'S A TON OF RECREATION IN HIKING AND BICYCLING AND, AND OTHER FORMS. AND SO I THINK IT COULD BE BROADENED TO VISITOR RECREATION USE IN, UM, THE SEDONA AREA.
IT'S ALSO TIED TO THE VERDE FRONT.
SO THIS IS A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? SO THE VERDE FRONT IS A REGIONAL COLLABORATIVE THAT WE WORK ON THAT'S ADDRESSING RIVER RECREATION TRAILS, UM, RIVER SAFETY AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.
WE CAN CERTAINLY LEARN FROM THEM.
AND, AND BEING THAT SEDONA IS IN THE VERDE VALLEY AREA, WE CAN ALSO LEVERAGE THE WORK THAT WE DO THERE AS WELL.
UM, DO YOU WANNA MENTION ANY OTHER THINGS BESIDES OH V THAT CAME UP? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S JUST A GENERAL RECOGNITION OF UNMANAGED RECREATION.
SO THAT COULD BE, UM, FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOCIAL TRAILS FROM HIKERS AND BIKERS COULD BE FOCUSED ON FUTURE TRAIL PLANNING IN THE SODA SEDONA AREA, OR TIED BACK TO TRAIL PLANNING MORE REGIONALLY.
UM, OTHER FORMS LIKE, UM, ESTABLISHMENT OF, OF ILLEGAL CAMPING AREAS.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF UNMANAGED REC RECREATION THAT MAY NEED, UM, SOME MORE FOCUS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE'RE IDENTIFIED AS TOP CONCERNS THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT.
UM, JUST ONE MORE THAT COMES TO MIND IS, IS KIND OF THE PROLIFERATION OF POSTING OF SOCIAL TRAILS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND SO A FOCUS ON SOCIAL MEDIA MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THIS WORKING GROUP OR THIS COLLABORATIVE COULD ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SO REALLY THAT WOULD BE DRIVEN BY, UM, WHAT WE HEAR FROM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PROCESS WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC WOULD TO ALSO BE ASK BE ASKING ABOUT OTHER RECREATION TOPICS.
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DEVELOPMENT OF ANOTHER WORKING GROUP WOULD BE DRIVEN BY, UM, OUR CO CONVENERS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC AND ANY NEEDS THEY IDENTIFY.THANK YOU MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THIS IS, UH, MANY PARALLELS I THINK HERE.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT TOURISM MANAGEMENT, NOW WE FOCUSED ON MOTORIZED VEHICLE RECREATION, UM, AND I THINK LOTS OF THINGS TO, TO LEARN ABOUT IT.
UH, I WANNA START MY QUESTIONS WITH ANDY.
I THINK WHEN I GO TO YOUR WEBSITE AND I SEE THE BUTTON STAY INFORMED AND CLICK HERE, WHAT IS IT? WHAT AM I GONNA GET ON OUR WEBSITE OR ON THE GSRC WHEN I ASK YOU TO, WHEN WHEN I SAY YES, PLEASE KEEP ME INFORMED.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT AM I GOING TO GET? AM I GOING TO GET AN EMAIL THAT SAYS, HEY, NEW MEETING MINUTES WERE POSTED, OR THERE'S MORE DOCUMENTS IN THE RESOURCE LIST, OR WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND ME
I'M GONNA RESPECTFULLY PASS THAT TO THE PERSON.
AM I RIGHT CUZ SHE KNOWS THE ANSWER
UM, WE WANNA WORK CLOSELY WITH THE, THE WORKING GROUP ENTIRELY AND PROBABLY ALSO WITH THE COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION TEAM TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S THE MOST APPROPRIATE OUTREACH.
IS THAT A NEWSLETTER THAT COMES MONTHLY? IS IT A NEWSLETTER THAT COMES WEEKLY? IS IT JUST WHEN NEW MEETING NOTES ARE POSTED? UM, SO WE'RE STILL REALLY IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE, THE FORWARD FACING ASPECT OF THIS AND WANNA WORK CLOSELY WITH THE WORKING GROUP TO DEVELOP THAT.
BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY THE INTENT WITH THE STAY INFORMED BUTTON IS TO HAVE THESE RESOURCES GOING OUT WITH UPDATES ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO, UM, RECENT DEVELOPMENTS, MEETING NOTES UP, UPCOMING EVENTS, ET CETERA.
SO I, I THINK THAT I CLICKED THAT BUTTON EARLY.
I HOPE I'M IN YOUR DATABASE, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'VE SEEN ANYTHING FROM YOU.
I LOOK AT THIS WEBSITE TONIGHT AS WE ARE TALKING.
THERE'S LOTS OF GOOD STUFF ON HERE,
I THINK, AND THIS IS A GREAT WAY FOR US TO KICK THAT OFF, RIGHT? WE'RE HERE PRESENTING TO THE PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL, AND I THINK IT'S, IT, WE ARE, WE ARE TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT.
IT'S TIME TO GET THOSE RESOURCES OUT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A REMINDER EMAIL THAT, HEY, THERE'S NEW STUFF HERE.
CHECK THIS PAGE OR THAT PAGE OR SOMETHING HERE SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO DIGGING THROUGH ALL THE PAGES FOR ME TO LEARN WHAT'S NEW, I THINK WOULD BE, UH, AWESOME.
UH, MARK, YOU WERE TALKING AND, AND I I THINK I WANNA CHALLENGE YOU TO EXPLAIN TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
MARK, I THINK IT WAS YOU THAT, THAT SAID THIS AND YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR PROCESS, BY THE WAY.
I THINK THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GROUP IS INTERESTING TO ME.
IT LOOKS REALLY ROBUST AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE DETAIL ABOUT PROCESS.
UH, THIS IS A POTENTIALLY A CONTENTIOUS ITEM.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT EARLY AND NEEDED TO PUT IN PROCESS AND, AND, AND THINGS IN PLACE TO, TO GET A GROUP WORKING TOGETHER.
AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL THAT HAS TO DO ALL THIS IN THE PUBLIC, I'M JEALOUS, BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU CAN MAYBE GET SOME THINGS DONE THAT WAY.
BUT MARK, WHAT YOU HAD SAID TO, I HEARD SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE'S IDEAS ARE POLARIZED AND SOME PEOPLE ON THE GROUP, ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS MAY DIG IN THEIR HEELS, HOW DO YOU GET PAST NO.
WHO'S ALLOWED TO VETO? HOW DO YOU, TELL ME MORE ABOUT WHAT THIS GROUP IS DOING WHEN YOU GET TO THE DIFFICULT ISSUES.
SO THE WORKING GROUP OPERATES IN A CONSENSUS DRIVEN PROCESS.
SO THERE THERE ISN'T GONNA BE ANY VOTES.
SO WE WON'T HAVE LIKE 51% TO 49% FOR ANY DECISION MAKING.
AND DOES CONSENSUS MEAN UNANIMOUS? NOT NECESSARILY.
AND SO, LIKE THE SIMPLE WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS, IF I AM, LET'S SAY JESSICA'S PROPOSING AN IDEA, WE ARE GONNA GAUGE THE INTEREST IN THE ROOM USING THUMBS, THUMBS UP.
I FULLY SUPPORT WHAT JESSICA IS SAYING.
I HAVE NO RESERVATIONS, THUMBS TO THE SIDE, I'M OKAY WITH THIS.
I DON'T MAYBE LOVE IT, BUT I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT THIS THUMBS DOWN.
I DON'T SUPPORT THIS AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO THAT'S A VISUAL CUE FOR THE FACILITATORS TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHERE, WHERE THE ROOM IS AT AND WHO IS INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS IDEA AND WHO'S NOT.
FOR THE THUMBS DOWN, WE TYPICALLY PICK ON THEM AND WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON AND LIKE WHY THEY ARE THUMBS DOWNING THIS THING AND THAT THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS IDEA.
AND SO THAT IS THE EFFORT TO FIND WHERE THAT BALANCE AND WHERE THAT MIDDLE GROUND IS.
AND SO OFTEN THAT MIDDLE GROUND, OFTEN IN CONSENSUS, YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS WHO HAVE INTERESTS DON'T NECESSARILY GET EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT, BUT
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EVERYBODY GETS SOMETHING.THEY WANT TO FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND, RIGHT.
OFTEN THAT MIDDLE GROUND IS A GOOD WAY TO GET, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND PROPOSING THEM TO LAND MANAGERS, WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS OFTEN A BETTER WAY TO, TO KIND OF SHOW THEM THIS IS VIABLE, THIS IS FEASIBLE BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE THUMBS DOWN CHALLENGES AND WORK THROUGH THEM AND WE HAVE OTHER MODELS THAT PERHAPS ONE COULD SAY ARE MORE SOPHISTICATED.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IN A CONTENTIOUS ENVIRONMENT IS FOSTER TRUST.
AND I'VE BEEN IN INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED AT HOW WE'VE ALREADY OVERCOME SOME REALLY, UM, SOME ISSUES THAT COULD HAVE TAKEN A LONG TIME, UM, TO ADDRESS.
AND THEY WORKED THROUGH THEM REALLY WELL.
I WILL SAY THAT IF, IF WE END UP IN A SCENARIO, WHICH WE MAY MM-HMM.
SO IT'S IN THEIR BEST BENEFIT TO WORK THROUGH AS A COLLABORATIVE.
THAT'S, I THINK IS ON POINT, UH, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF AND IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE PROCESS MAY PLAY OUT YEAH.
HERE AND WHO GETS THAT VETO IN THE END AND HOW THAT HAPPENS.
AMY GETS IT, AMY, AMY MIGHT GET IT.
THE WHOLE GROUP MIGHT BE, WE DON'T WANNA PICK ON AMY, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT AMY, THERE SHE IS.
WHEN I LOOK ON YOUR WEBSITE, I LOOK ON THIS RESOURCE PAGE, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD RESOURCES HERE.
IS IT FINISHED? ARE YOU ADDING MORE RESOURCES? NEVER AS, AS RE MORE RESOURCES COME IN AND WE LEARN ABOUT NEW THINGS.
THE THE WEBSITE WILL BE UPDATED FOR SURE.
SO I, I, YOU KNOW, JUST OFF OF HAND, THERE'S STUFF MISSING HERE FROM THE CITY YET MM-HMM.
THAT NEEDS TO COME UP AND STUFF FROM THE FOREST SERVICE, I THINK KNOW THAT EXISTS.
AMY, YOUR, YOUR BOSS SENT A LETTER A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT I THINK WOULD PLAYED, UH, A BIG PART IN THAT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE ON THE RECORD HERE AND PART OF YOUR RESOURCES I THINK, RIGHT? SO, UM, WE WOULD ASK, UM, COUNSELOR FERMAN FOR OUR NEW, AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, UM, COUNSELOR DON WILL BE JOINING US AS A CITY REPRESENTATIVE.
SO WHATEVER RESOURCES NEED TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD FROM THE CITY AS A CO CONVENOR, WE WOULD ASK YOU TO BRING THOSE FORWARD.
AND THEN ALSO AS I THINK ABOUT THIS PARALLELS THAT OCCUR TO ME ABOUT TOURISM MANAGEMENT AND, AND WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE ALL TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING OUT BEYOND JUST SEDONA OR THE VERDE VALLEY OR THE STATE OF ARIZONA FOR WHAT ELSE HAS HAPPENED IN THE WORLD, BEST PRACTICES THAT MIGHT EXIST, OTHER PLANS THAT EXIST.
AND I'M KIND OF CURIOUS WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER FOREST SERVICE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA, OUTSIDE OF COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST, OTHER LAND MANAGEMENT AGENCIES WHO I, I I ASSUME THAT WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES STRUGGLING WITH MOTORIZED VEHICLE ISSUES.
AND SO WHERE MIGHT SOME OF THOSE PLACES BE AND, AND WILL WE SEE THOSE RESOURCES APPEAR IN YOUR RESOURCE LIST AS WELL? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, A LOT OF THIS WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN THE MOAB AREA, UM, AND OTHER RED ROCK RELATED AREAS.
WE DO HAVE, UM, BRIAN ALKI, WHO'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE'S BEEN DOING THIS VERY THING, UM, MODELING AND, AND INTERVIEWING PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN DOING GOOD WORK, UH, RELATED TO OHV.
I ALSO THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY, AND WE'VE HEARD THIS FROM NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, THAT WE ARE LEADING SOME OF THESE EFFORTS.
AND SO THAT'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY AND A TREMENDOUS, UM, IT'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY.
SO AS WE GATHER INFORMATION, UM, FROM BRIAN WHO'S AGAIN REACHING OUT TO FEDERAL, STATE AND LO LOCAL AREAS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE, THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE SOLUTION, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE A ROOM FULL OF SO MANY PEOPLE THIS EVENING.
AND I'LL JUST ADD BRIEFLY THERE THAT IN TERMS OF GETTING THAT AS A RESOURCE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BRIAN IS WORKING WITH THE DATA GATHERING AND MONITORING TEAMS TO KIND OF SYNTHESIZE SOME OF THOSE RESULTS AND THEN CERTAINLY THAT FINAL PRODUCT COULD BE SHARED.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS MY DEFINITION OF SOON.
SO I ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS AND DO, YOU KNOW, SMALL RELEASES OF THINGS AND EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THERE.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN HERE ARE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW THE CONVERSATION IS REALLY GOING AND WHERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO AN IMPASSE AND OR THINGS THAT ARE SUCCESSFUL.
AND SO I ENCOURAGE US TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
MY FINAL QUESTION IS, ANDY, UH, IS ANYBODY FROM YOUR GROUP GONNA STAY FOR OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA? DO YOU HAVE A STATEMENT TO MAKE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ACTIONS THAT SEDONA IS CONSIDERING? UM, AND DO THAT IF YOU, IF THE ANSWER IS YES, DO IT AFTER I DON'T NEED THIS STATEMENT.
UH, WE ARE STAYING, UM, I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME WORK GROUP MEMBERS THAT ALSO HAVE SUBMITTED, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT THE GS A RRC ITSELF IS, WILL NOT BE MAKING A STATEMENT ABOUT THE ORDINANCE,
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THE FACILITATORS FROM THE G S RRC, THE FACILITATOR, THERE MAY BE A WORK GROUP MEMBER OR TWO THAT THERE MIGHT BE GROUP MEMBERS THAT, THAT CAN SPEAK.AND THEY'VE BEEN TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT.
I WANNA GO OVER TO THE VICE MAYOR WHO HAD SOMETHING TO SHARE EARLIER AND UM, I NEGLECTED TO CALL ON HER.
CA KATHY, I WANTED JUST TO GIVE YOU A, A RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE AFTERMARKET MUFFLER THAT, UH, WAS, UH, PILOTED, I'LL CALL IT MM-HMM.
AND, UH, THAT WAS, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE PRODUCT, BUT THEN POLARIS ALSO HAS A MUFFLER THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN SHARING, BUT THAT WOULD ONLY WORK FOR POLARIS VEHICLES.
AND THERE ARE SIX MANUFACTURERS.
SO THE OTHER ONE, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THAT ONE WORKS ON MULTIPLE VENDOR VEHICLES, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THE OTHER THING ABOUT DECIBELS IS THAT IT'S 96 DECIBELS IS WHAT THE LAW ALLOWS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GAUGE EIGHT DECIBELS OUT OF 96.
AND SOUNDS LIKE A FEW, BUT THE WAY THEY MEASURE IT, I'M TOLD IT'S MORE THAN WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW.
AND JUST SOME IMP IMPORTANT ANECDOTAL, UM, NOTICE, AND I HOPE THAT SHE DOESN'T MIND ME SAYING THIS, BUT FOR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEAR NEARBY, THERE, IT'S ALSO THE TONE.
SO IT'S, IT'S A PARTICULAR TONE THAT CAN BE BOTHERSOME ACCORDING TO THEM.
AND SO A DECIBEL IS A DECIBEL IS A DECIBEL, PROBABLY NOT.
SO THERE'S, I THINK NOISE IS REALLY COMPLICATED, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN GET, UM, OUR WORKING GROUP MEMBER TIM ANGUS, TO HELP US WITH THAT INFORMATION.
THEN JESSICA, IF YOU WANNA ASK QUESTIONS LIKE YOU CAN COME BACK TO ME TO ASK OTHER QUESTIONS.
OKAY, THEN YOU WANNA FINISH? YEAH.
SO I'M CURIOUS THE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU MM-HMM.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE SAME ISSUE.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND WE HAD TWO MEETINGS AND ONE WE REQUESTED FROM AMY THAT SHE ASKED HER MANAGER AT THE TIME HAS NOW CHANGED TO PARTICIPATE IN A MEETING WITH US.
AND SO THAT WE HAD A SECOND MEETING AND WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PERMITTING IN BROKEN ARROW.
AND WE REQUESTED THE CITY WROTE A LETTER TO THE FOREST SERVICE REQUESTING, PERMITTING MM-HMM.
AND WE WERE TOLD AT THAT TIME THAT THE FOREST SERVICE WAS NOT PREPARED TO DO THAT.
HOWEVER, WE COULD CONVENE A GROUP AND THE GROUP'S MISSION WOULD BE TO LOOK AT PERMITTING, WHICH WOULD TAKE THREE TO FIVE YEARS TO ACCOMPLISH BECAUSE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A NPA STUDY AND WHATEVER ELSE IN, IN THAT PROCESS.
SO HERE WE ARE TWO YEARS LATER, MORE THAN TWO YEARS LATER, AND I DON'T EVEN HEAR PERMITTING ON YOUR LIST OF ITEMS THAT YOUR GROUP IS ADDRESSING.
AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE GROUP TO BEGIN WITH.
SO WHERE IS THE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DID WE GET SO FAR APART AND HOW DID THIS TURN INTO BE WHAT IT IS? CUZ IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHAT I WAS EXPECTING.
AND I, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING, IT JUST IS NOT THE EXPECTATION.
AND SO WE DON'T THINK THAT YOU'VE BEEN MOVING VERY QUICKLY
BUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, TWO YEARS AGO WE THOUGHT WE WEREN'T MOVING VERY FAST BECAUSE WE HAD A STUDY THAT, UH, AND A REPORT FROM 2019, THE STUDY DONE IN 2017.
NOW WE ARE HOW MANY YEARS LATER? AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STARTING OVER WITH A NEW PROCESS.
NEW PEOPLE KNEW THIS, KNEW THAT IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THESE AREAS THAT, THAT VIRTUALLY NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
A FEW THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE, BUT VIRTUALLY NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
UH, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION WITHOUT EVEN HAVING ON THE AGENDA.
WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS GROUP TO BEGIN WITH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.
UM, WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS, JUST TO BE CLEAR,
AND, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, WE HAVE NOT DIRECTLY CALLED OUT PERMITTING BECAUSE THAT IS A COMPLICATED LONG-TERM SOLUTION THAT IS BEING, DON'T THINK, IT'S NOT BEING THOUGHT ABOUT,
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DON'T THINK IT ISN'T BEING DISCUSSED, BUT IT'S COMPLICATED.AND I AM NOT THE PERSON WHO CAN TELL YOU ALL THE NUANCES OF THAT COMPLICATION.
UM, I AM CERTAIN THAT THE PERSON BEHIND ME WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THAT.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE IS GRAND INTEREST IN A PERMITTING SYSTEM FROM SOME PERSPECTIVES, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S ONE WAY IN WHICH VOLUME CAN BE ADDRESSED.
AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS VOLUME AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ONE SOLUTION FOR SEDONA.
AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU'RE PATIENT WITH US AS WE DEVELOP SHORT, MEDIUM, AND LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS OF WHICH I WOULD CONSIDER PERMITTING A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.
AND MEANWHILE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS SHORT, SOME OF THE SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING.
AND WE PRESENTED ON SOME OF THOSE TONIGHT IN TERMS OF THE COHESION OF THE WORKING GROUP SIGNAGE, ADDITIONAL DATA COLLECTION, AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE ACTION TEAMS ARE WORKING ON.
AND I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING AND I WISH I COULD CHANGE THAT.
UM, AND WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD TO DO SO, AND THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO PUT THIS AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO ONE YEAR TIMELINE, WHICH I KNOW COMMISSIONER, OUR COUNSELOR FERMAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S STILL ALWAYSS OUT.
UM, BUT SUMMER'S HERE AND WE HOPE TO, TO VET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PUBLIC VERY SOON FOR WHAT THEY THINK ON THAT.
I THINK I JUST WANNA ADD ONE THING THERE, WHICH IS THAT, UH, A RECOGNITION THE GROUP HAS TALKED ABOUT PERMITTING AND DISCUSSIONS AND WHAT, OH, THERE WAS A RECOGNITION THAT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THOSE STRATEGIES, WE NEED GOOD DATA TO INFORM THAT DECISION MAKING.
AND SO THEY'VE BEEN MAKING GREAT STRIDES IN COLLECTING THE DATA THAT CAN BE USED TO INFORM THOSE DECISIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
I I DON'T SEE SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR AS SHORT.
JUST GO ON THE RECORD WITH THAT.
I'M SURE HE WILL HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS THAN WHAT I'M ABOUT TO ASK.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TIME LIMITS THOUGH,
SO, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COLLECTING DATA, WHEN YOU START TO COLLECT DATA, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO IS YOU HAVE A SERIES OF HYPOTHESES AND YOU'RE COLLECTING DATA IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THOSE HYPOTHESES YOU JUST MENTIONED.
FOR INSTANCE, A POSSIBLE HYPOTHESES IS PERMITTING SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK WELL, RIGHT? WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
YOU WOULD THEN SAY, THIS IS THE KIND OF INFORMATION WE'RE GONNA NEED TO COLLECT.
SO DO YOU HAVE THESE HYPOTHESES WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT LIKE DOING THE DATA COLLECTION STUFF, ARE YOU BASING THAT ON WHAT HYPOTHESES YOU'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND? ARE YOU JUST DOING, WE'RE GONNA COLLECT EVERYTHING AND THEN OUT OF ALL THAT DATA THEN WE'RE GONNA FORM HYPOTHESES OR THEORIES? I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, DATA WORKS IN MANY WAYS, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE JUST DOING THAT HOLISTIC, LET'S GET IT ALL AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT QUESTIONS WE WANNA ASK.
OR DO WE HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING THAT PERHAPS WE WEREN'T INFORMED BECAUSE YOU JUST MENTIONED PERMITTING AND YEAH, I DID NOT SEE THAT.
AND ANYTHING NOR HEARD ANYONE MENTION THAT.
YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE DATA GATHERING AND MONITORING TEAM, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE CERTAINLY ASKING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
AND SO ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE WHO ARE THE USERS IN THIS AREA? WHAT ROUTES ARE THEY GOING ON? WHAT USERS ARE USING WHICH ROUTES? IS IT A DEEP, IS IT A RENTAL? HOW MANY TIMES IS THAT SAME RENTAL PASSING? SO UNDERSTANDING THE TRENDS IN USE, THE TYPES OF USERS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING ESSENTIALLY IS KIND OF ONE ASPECT OF DATA THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY WHO IS THE TARGET OF A POLICY CHANGE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT.
UM, ANOTHER ASPECT MIGHT BE, FOR EXAMPLE, QUESTIONING WHAT TYPES OF INDICATORS DO WE NEED TO, TO COLLECT TO UNDERSTAND IF RESTORATION IS WORKING? WHAT KIND OF INDICATORS DO WE NEED TO COLLECT TO UNDERSTAND IF THESE CLOSURE METHODS ARE ARE WORKING? SO THOSE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I BELIEVE THE DATA GATHERING AND MONITORING TEAM IS, IS KIND OF WRESTLING WITH.
BUT AS WE HEARD CARL SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME, UM, WHAT ARE THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
AND SO I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL FIGURING THAT OUT.
I, I WOULD JUST ADD IN TERMS OF THERE IS A SENSE OF URGENCY AND I, I THINK I, I GUESS I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I, I FEEL LIKE THIS GROUP, UM, WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT OR NOT THIS EVENING, THIS GROUP IS WORKING AS REALLY, REALLY HARD AND WE REALLY HOPE TO GET YOU RECOMMENDATIONS AND GET THE COMMUNITY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY CAN REALLY PROCESS SOON.
UM, MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED.
IN FACT, I THINK I ONLY HAVE ONE AT THIS POINT.
AND IT COMES BACK TO THAT IDEA OF WHAT WAS CALLED SUSTAINABLE FUNDING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S BEEN DESIGNATED AS JUST A SERIES OF GRANTS TO APPLY FOR, BUT I AM WONDERING IF IT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED TO CHARGE SOME TYPE OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FEE FOR USERS OF, UH, THESE VEHICLES.
UH, I THINK ABOUT HOTELS AND THEY LOVE TO CHARGE A RESORT FEE AND UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST DOING SOME CALCULATIONS
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AT A, AT A MERE $25 PER VEHICLE HITTING THE FOREST, IT WOULD TAKE 110 A DAY ON AVERAGE TO GENERATE A MILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING PER YEAR.UM, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP APPLYING FOR A GRANT TO OBTAIN AND IT COSTS FIVE BUCKS TO PARK A CAR TO GO WALK AROUND BELL ROCK, IT COSTS 12 BUCKS TO GO HIKE, UM, UH, WEST FORK OR TO GO SWIMMING AT GRASSHOPPER POINT.
SO IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE MISSING, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WHAT CAUSES REASONABLY CAN BE ASSESSED THAT THERE'S MORE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FROM OHV USE ON THE FOREST AND THERE'S NO CHARGE FOR THAT.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS IS HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED AS A SOURCE OF FUNDING? SO IF THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IN THE ASSESSMENT AND IS ONE OF THE IDEAS WE HEARD OF KIND OF THESE CREATIVE IDEAS FOR GETTING FUNDING, WHETHER THAT BE A FEE OR ANOTHER OPTION COULD BE TO ADD LIKE A ROUNDUP ADDITION ON YOUR BILL, UM, IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE TABLE.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY DIVED INTO THE DETAIL DETAILS OF THAT, BUT CERTAINLY COULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, THIS IS ALL DISCRETIONARY, WHETHER YOU'RE A RENTER OR YOU'RE AN OWNER OF ONE OF THESE VEHICLES.
SO, YOU KNOW, ROUNDUP DOESN'T SOUND LIKE 25 BUCKS.
TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE 25 CENTS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK 25 BUCKS IS A REASONABLE MINIMUM AS OF, FOR INSTANCE, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
CERTAINLY IF THE GROUP RECOMMENDS A PERMITTING SYSTEM, THERE WOULD BE A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH A PERMITTING SYSTEM, AND THEN THERE'S A STRUCTURE TO WHICH WOULD THAT PAY BACK INTO MANAGEMENT OVER TIME, LIKE THE RED ROCK PASS DOES IN TERMS OF TAKING CARE OF AND KEEPING THE MONEY LOCAL.
UM, OTHER IDEAS THAT HAVE COME INTO PLAY.
BUT YEAH, AGAIN, NOT YET VETTED AS A CONSENSUS BASED OR, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL AREAS, UM, WHERE OHV GROUPS COULD GO, YOU KNOW, WOULD THERE BE A, A FEE LIKE THAT IN THE FLAGSTAFF AREA? WE HAVE THE CINDER HILLS OH, H V AREA.
UM, SO THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE JESSICA SAID, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO BE ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE COUNSELOR DUN SAID, WE NEED TO BE COLLECTING THE RIGHT TYPE OF DATA TO INFORM LONG-TERM STRATEGIES, UM, SO THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT QUICKLY DERIVED, AND IT'S BASED UPON CONSENSUS FROM A BROAD REPRESENTATION OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF WHETHER SIX MONTHS TO THE A YEAR IS CONSIDERED A LONG TIME.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE COULD SIT HERE AND SAY, I THINK $25 IS THE RIGHT AMOUNT, AND THAT'S, AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
UM, THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AND THIS IS AN EFFORT WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GAINING TRUST AND GAINING CONSENSUS.
THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT HAPPEN BY BRIAN SAYING, I WANT IT TO BE 20, I THINK $25 MAKES SENSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
UM, IT'S SO WHEN YOU ENTER INTO THIS KIND OF A PROCESS, YOU ENTER INTO A VERY TIME CONSUMING PROCESS.
UM, AND I THINK, FRANKLY, THAT THERE'S THINGS TO BE SAID FOR BOTH KINDS OF PROCESSES.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU PROBABLY GET FROM ME A LOT OF BETTER OUTCOMES BY DECIDING WHAT IT SHOULD BE THAN BY TRYING TO GET CONSENSUS FROM EVERY SINGLE PERSON AT THE TABLE.
UM, OVER, I THINK A SIX MONTH PERIOD FOR GAIN TRUST IS A SHORT TIME.
SO I THINK A LOT OF WHAT MIGHT BE SEEN AS DELAY IS REALLY CAUSED BY THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS, WHICH, WHEN YOU HAVE A VERY CONTENTIOUS ISSUE, MAY IN THE END BE THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
I, I THINK A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LOT OF TENDENCIES TOWARD OTHER TYPES OF PROCESSES, UM, BUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE TAKES A LOT OF TIME.
UM, AND WHAT I THINK WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS, I THINK MARK SAID IT OR SOMEONE SAID IT, NOBODY GETS WHAT THEY WANT, WHICH MEANS YOU MAY NOT ACTUALLY, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR GOAL IS, GET THE BEST OR THE MOST EFFECTIVE OR THE MOST, UM, QUICK, UM, ANSWER.
AND THE ANSWER THAT'S, THAT'S PUT FORWARD IS MAY IN FACT BE LUKEWARM, THAT YOU COULD REALLY DO SOMETHING A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE, BUT THERE'S NO CONSENSUS BEHIND IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT ANYBODY EXPECTS HERE.
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IT'S A LOT.IT'S A, IT'S AN ISSUE, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE THIS, THEY DO WHAT THEY DO, WHICH IS CONSENSUS AND TRUST BUILDING.
IS THAT A QUESTION? UM, NO, I'M MAKING A COMMENT AS MANY OTHERS HAVE AS WELL.
UM, SO I MEAN, THE FACT THAT, SO THAT THIS IS A LONG TIME PERIOD.
I, I THINK THAT GIVEN THIS MODEL, IT ISN'T, I THINK THAT IF WE SAT UP HERE AND LOOKED AT BEST PRACTICES, KAREN WOULD LOOK AT THE BEST PRACTICES OR THEY WOULD LOOK AND WE JUST SORT OF DECIDED, YOU KNOW, YEAH, OKAY, WE'LL DO THE BEST PRACTICES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S, I DON'T THINK IT, SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR IS A LONG TIME FOR THIS PROCESS.
I THINK IT'S A LONG TIME FOR US
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, TO MAKE THAT POINT HERE, AND I'M NOT, AND I THINK WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU GET FROM IT IS, IS NOT LIKE THE $25 WAS A PERFECT, A PERFECT THING.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $25 AND ROUNDING UP.
YOU KNOW, THE VICE MAYOR SAID IT VERY ELOQUENTLY.
I APPRECIATE IT THAT SHE, UH, REMEMBERED AND AS DID I, IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO THAT WE HAD A MEETING ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WITH LAURA JOE WEST MM-HMM.
AND WHEN WE WERE TOLD, OH, WE GOTTA START THE WHOLE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN, NONE OF THAT DATA THAT'S BEEN USED CAN BE USED AGAIN, HAS TO START THE WHOLE PROCESS.
AND HERE WE ARE NOW, TWO YEARS LATER, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT IMPRESSED.
I'M NOT, NOT, I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT IMPRESSED BY THE, THE COVES WHO BROUGHT THE INFORMATION.
IT'S INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS.
THE NOISE, THE DUST, THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF.
NOW WE HAVE SAFETY ISSUES THAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S WHEN WITH LIKE CREATED A B A BUREAUCRACY TO MAKE A SYSTEM THAT ALL THE INFORMATION AND DATA WAS THERE AND YOU'RE DOING IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO ON YOUR ASSESSMENT POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS, YOU HAVE REDUCED, OH, HV VOLUME THROUGH REGULATION AND CH UH, CHANGES IN POLICY.
WE'VE, IT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN TRIED.
AND, UH, AS IT WAS, UH, SUGGESTED BEFORE PERMITTING SYSTEM AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT POINTS UNTIL THE US FOREST SERVICE WISHES TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I DON'T WANNA BURST ANYONE'S BUBBLE, BUT I'VE SEEN IT.
I'M UP HERE NOW INTO MY NINTH YEAR, AND I'VE SEEN IT COME AND GO.
THE ONLY THING THAT THAT HAS CHANGED IS MORE VOLUME OF THE OHVS.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE MORE VOLUME, BUT WE HAVE MORE OUTLETS RENTING THEM.
AND NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE MORE VOLUME OF, OF RENTING, WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS OWNING THEM AND COMING ONTO THE FOREST.
HOW DO YOU INTEND, OTHER THAN A PERMITTING SYSTEM? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.
AND TO WAIT SIX MONTHS A YEAR, WE'RE ALREADY REALLY WAITING.
AND I KNOW YOU JUST STARTED A YEAR AGO, BUT I'M WAITING TWO YEARS AND I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING NEW.
WE TALK ABOUT MUFFLERS, UH, THE VICE MAYORS, CORRECT? YEAH.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH POLARIS, THEY SAID THEY CAN REDUCE ON THEIR MUFFLERS.
FOUR, SIX, WHAT WAS IT? FOUR TO SIX.
FOUR TO SIX, UH, POINTS OWNED, UH, REDUCTION POINTS.
BUT I SAID, WELL, AND I THINK EVERYBODY HERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF EDUCATED PEOPLE HERE, KNOW THAT THE MUFFLERS AREN'T MAKING THE ONLY NOISE ON OHVS TIRES, WHICH THEY HAVE TO HAVE ON, ON THE TRAIL, BUT THEY MAKE NOISE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING CHANGE THE TIRES, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE CVT TRANSMISSIONS.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THE CVT TRANSMISSIONS, BUT THEY'RE MAKING NOISE.
SO HOW ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO ACCOM? I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA ACCOMPLISH HERE? THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY CHANGE IN MANUFACTURE.
ALL I KNOW THAT, UH, ELECTRIC O OHVS HAVE BEEN PLANNED, AND I KNOW THAT THE GOVERNOR VETO BILL, AND THAT'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON, RIGHT.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SEEING ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUT ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE GONNA BE MAKING, THEY UNDERSTAND CVT TRANSMISSIONS AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE TIRES, THE ENGINES WILL BE QUIETER.
THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T NEED A MUFFLER.
THAT'S NOT GONNA BE COMING FROM YOU GUYS.
THAT'S GONNA BE, OR THE, THE COVES THAT'S COMING FROM THE MANUFACTURERS, IF THAT, IF IT EVER HAPPENS.
NOW, I DON'T, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE HAVE
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TO SAY, DO SOMETHING MM-HMM.AND I'M, AGAIN, I'M NOT KNOCKING ALL THE HARD WORK AND I GET IT, BUT COME ON, REALLY THE SAME STUFF.
THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE, HASN'T BEEN SUGGESTED BEFORE, BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING HERE.
YOU GONNA, YOU KNOW, REDUCE VOLUME.
ARE YOU, ARE THE, THE RENTAL COMPANIES GONNA REDUCE THEIR VOLUME? THEY JUST SINCE, UH, I THINK IT WAS 2021, INCREASED THE VOLUME, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, I GUESS, BECAUSE IT'S A FREE MARKET TO DO THAT.
SO ARE THEY GONNA REDUCE IT? AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, SAY YOU GET SOME OF THE COMPANIES TO BE ON BOARD.
YOU HAVE, I UNDERSTAND ONE COMPANY IN TOWN THAT'S REFUSING TO BE PART OF ROCK, REFUSING TO BE PART OF ANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT'S TRYING TO COME TO A RESOLUTION, TRYING TO HELP ONE COMPANY REFUSES.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WHY SHOULD ONE COMPANY BE ABLE TO NOT BE PART OF IT AND REAP THE BENEFITS? WHAT'S BEING DONE TO BRING EVERYBODY ON BOARD? BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING IT.
UM, WELL, THERE'S, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MAYOR, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, STATEMENTS, A FEW QUESTIONS, MANY OF WHICH I CAN'T ANSWER.
WHAT I CAN SAY TO YOU IS THAT THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED ISSUE, AND THERE'S A REASON WHY IT'S TAKEN MORE THAN 10 YEARS TO HANDLE.
BECAUSE UP TO THIS POINT, PEOPLE HAVE TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED, AND IT'S STILL COMPLICATED.
THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT OWN RENTAL COMPANIES.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO, AND THAT'S THEIR LIVELIHOOD.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHO CAN'T STAND THE SOUND OF THAT.
THERE'S A, THE FOREST SERVICE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MULTIPLE USE.
AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THE ONLY WAY THROUGH THESE INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED THINGS IS HARDWORKING TOGETHER WITH A BALANCED APPROACH.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PREVIOUS EFFORTS THAT HAPPENED.
I DO KNOW THAT COVID CHANGED THIS ENVIRONMENT A LOT.
I CAN'T PROMISE YOU MANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE ASKED, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE GROUP TO POTENTIALLY DO IT.
AND I'D ASK FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
AND I THINK IF THIS WERE A SIMPLE THING TO CRACK, IT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE 10 YEARS AGO.
I'LL LEAVE IT THAT, BECAUSE I RESPECT THE THOROUGH SERVICE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT PROBABLY GOOD IDEA.
BUT, UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT MORE INTO IT THAN WHAT YOU, YOU YOU'RE MENTIONING.
SO WE WELCOME THE CITY'S CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT IN THE GROUP.
I QUITE HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT.
THAT'S UP TO THE, THE COUNSELORS AND STAFF.
BUT, UH, BUT WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE CHANGE? OH, YES.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND DOES ANYONE WISH TO TALK ABOUT THIS? YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT ANOTHER CARD.
IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE CARD YOU'VE ALREADY FILLED OUT.
UH, IF YOU ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK, RAISE YOUR HAND AND IF NOT, OKAY, GUY.
SO SPEAK FIRST AND THEN YOU COULD FILL OUT A CARD, UH, AFTER THAT.
HOW ABOUT, I WISH THE IRS WORKED THAT WAY.
MR. MAYOR, EXCUSE, PLEASE DON'T CALL OUT IF YOU WISH THAT SPEAK BY ALL MEANS, FILL OUT A CARD AND WE'D BE VERY HAPPY TO HEAR WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO SAY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I, I HEARD SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THIS ON CARD NUMBER ONE.
IS IT ABOUT THIS GUY? YEAH, I WAS, YEAH.
I WAS GONNA CHANGE THIS BECAUSE QUESTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH MUFFLERS.
AND IN THE TWO YEARS AGO ISSUE, UM, VICE MAYOR HOLLY, UH, THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, I ADVOCATED FOR A VOLUNTARY SYSTEM OF NOISE REDUCTION, SIMILAR TO THE WONDERFUL EFFORTS THAT THE AIRPORT, UH, WENT AHEAD AND MADE A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT TO CHANGE THEIR ROUTING AT THAT TIME.
AND THE REASON I CAME TO THE MICROPHONE IS THAT I DID MUFFLER RESEARCH AND, UM, I STILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE, AND I'M GONNA CITE SOURCE SPEEDY SIDE SPORTS.COM.
I'LL SEND THE GROUP AND THE COUNCIL, MY PREVIOUS RESEARCH, MY INVESTIGATION ON MUFFLERS.
UH, I'M CITING THIS ONE PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THEY GAVE THE BEST CRITERIA FOR THE EXACT AMOUNT OF NOISE REDUCTION, AND THEY ADVERTISE, I HAVEN'T TESTED IT, SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
A 50% REDUCTION, WHICH IS ONLY FIVE TO SEVEN DECIBELS.
SOMEBODY CITED THE PROBLEM IN DECIBELS,
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$169 AND 95 CENTS.AND, UH, POLARIS AND MANUFACTURERS HAVE ACCESS TO ENGINEERS.
I NEED YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, GUY, LA SEDONA, ARIZONA.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I SEE A HAND UP CARDS ARE AT THE END OF THE TABLE.
UH, NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
I'M THE GM OF SEDONA ATV AND RED ROCK ATV.
UM, POLARIS HAS COME WITH ENGINEERS TO WORK ON SILENCER MUFFLERS.
LITERALLY THE DAY BEFORE, UH, SCOTT JALO CAME OUT WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE, UM, THEY CAME HERE.
UM, I WAS, I WAS ACTUALLY WITH THEM.
THE VEHICLE IS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION IN THE VEHICLE WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, I SAW THE OTHER ONE THAT, UH, ALBACK HAD BOUGHT AND PUT ON THEIR VEHICLE.
IT HAS SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, A COST, THE COST THERE.
AND ALSO WITH, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE A, SOME OTHER KEY SAFETY FEATURES THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
AND THE EPA RIGHT NOW IS, UH, APPROVING THE EXHAUST.
WE ACTUALLY DID REDUCE OUR NUMBERS BY 40% OF VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE AND THAT ARE RENTABLE AT ALL TIMES AT BOTH OF OUR STORES.
UM, SO THAT WAS VERY MISLEADING ON THAT.
AND, UM, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS, I MEAN, I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THIS, BUT I'M A MEMBER OF ROCK.
AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD WITH THE RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF, UH, THE G GSRC.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD WITH THE RESIDENTS TO REDUCE, UM, VOLUME VEHICLES GOING TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, HOW MANY TIMES THEY GO PAST THEIR HOUSES.
WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY DOING THIS WITHOUT THE CITY, WITHOUT GSRC.
SO WE, WE ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
I HAVE KIDS THAT GO TO SCHOOL HERE.
I HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK HERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
I DON'T WANT THIS, THIS CITY TO BE DESTROYED.
I DON'T WANT THE NATIONAL FOREST TO BE DESTROYED.
THIS IS A WAY THAT WE ENJOY THE ENVIRONMENT.
I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE VERY VOCAL ABOUT HATING THESE THINGS, AND IT UNDERMINES, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING.
OKAY, BRIAN, THANKS FOR, UH, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WISH, DON'T BE RAISING YOUR HANDS.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT THE CARD.
SO, AND BRIAN, I JUST, I DO WANNA SAY, CUZ I DIDN'T SAY IT BEFORE, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH YOUR GROUP.
I WAS AMAZED AT HOW MUCH PROGRESS WAS MADE IN ONE YEAR FROM, FROM YOUR GROUP, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
DON'T FORGET TO FILL OUT THE CARD, PLEASE.
AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO FILL OUT A CARD AND SAY THIS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'LL SAY ON THE NEXT ITEM, IT, IT WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE, EXCUSE ME.
I'M SAYING, I WAS SAYING I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, TIME FOR THE MEETING.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE REPETITIVE, I ASK YOU TO, UH, NOT TO NOT.
AND BY THE WAY, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THESE CARDS, UH, FOR EVERYBODY HERE WHO FILLED OUT A CARD FOR THE NEXT ITEM, YOU MAY WANT TO ADJUST YOUR, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY.
WE'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TIME LIMIT TO TWO MINUTES VERSUS THREE MINUTES, BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE TOO MANY CARDS AND WE PREFER NOT, WE WANNA HEAR YOU.
I DON'T WANNA REDUCE ANY, ANY FURTHER THAN THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE MEETING MOVING.
JESSICA, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? ARE THESE COMMENTS LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES AS WELL? NO, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW.
WELL, I'VE GOT LIKE 20 QUESTIONS.
NO, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EIGHT OR NINE MORE.
WELL, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY ARE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO THE ONES BEFORE THAT THESE BE TWO MINUTE COMMENTS AS WELL.
DOES THE COUNCIL FEEL AGREE? THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO, YES, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'LL BE HERE TILL ONE O'CLOCK.
I'M SORRY, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
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OKAY.BUT YOU ALSO, EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO EMAIL US IF YOU WANNA SPEAK.
IF I CAN SAY ONE THING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK OUT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU NOT TO.
IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK MORE, ALL OF US ARE AVAILABLE BY PHONE.
ALL OF US ARE AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE BY, UH, EMAIL.
I WANT TO HEAR EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY.
SO, AND WE, WE HAVE TO KEEP MOVING.
OKAY? CAUSE ORIGINALLY WHEN WE START THIS ITEM, THERE WAS NO CARDS.
SO, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO? WE'RE GONNA GO TWO, TWO MINUTES.
I'M GONNA SPEAK LATER IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, BUT I'M SPEAKING TO YOU NOW IN FAVOR OF THIS PROCESS.
THIS IS, I'M A MEMBER OF THE WORKING GROUP.
I'M A FAC UH, REASONABLY EXPERIENCED FACILITATOR.
SEE THIS AS A TWO STEP TWO TRACK PROCESS.
ALLOW THE CONSENSUS PROCESS TO CONTINUE.
ALSO DO WHATEVER YOU ARE GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT PLEASE DON'T STOP THIS PROCESS.
HI, UH, MS. KAIN, WE'LL FOLLOW.
I, I, SO IF YOU COULD, YOU'LL BE ON DECK.
MIKE, UH, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
AND MY QUESTION ONE, WHY I DIDN'T FILL OUT A CARD PREVIOUSLY.
I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS.
AS I LOOKED AT YOUR MAP, I SEE THAT IT ALSO ENCOMPASSES AREAS IN COCONINO COUNTY, INCLUDING MONS PARK, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY GOVERNMENTAL REPRESENTATION IN THE LIST OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM COCONINO COUNTY.
THE PROJECT AREA THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW DOES NOT QUITE REACH MONTHS.
THIS IS NOT A QUESTION ANSWER, PERIOD.
YEAH, NO, YOU, WE WOULDN'T KNOW.
UM, WHEN I SAW THEIR PRESENTATION, I SAW THEIR MAP THAT WAS SHOWING THE GREATER SEDONA AREA, AND THE MAP WENT BEYOND MORMON LAKE, WHICH IS IN COCONINO COUNTY.
MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS THERE NO PARTICIPATION IN THIS GROUP FROM COCONINO COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BUT THAT COULD BE ANSWERED LATER.
UH, MS. KANE, AND THAT'S A FINAL CARD FOR THIS ITEM.
I'M, UH, MY NAME IS CHAAN KANE.
ONE OF THE REASONS I MOVED HERE WAS FOR HORSEBACK RIDING, HORSEBACK RIDING ON THE TRAIL WITH ATVS.
I HOPE THERE IS, I'M TRYING TO TURN INTO A QUESTION I DIDN'T REALIZE IT HAD TO BE, BUT I HOPE THERE'S SOME WAY OF PROTECTING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT USED TO, UM, HORSES THAT MIGHT BE SPOOKY IF THEY RAN INTO AN ATV.
IT COULD BE A LOT OF BLOOD AND A LOT OF MESS IN MIDDLE.
UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, I BELIEVE WHEN YOU RUN INTO A HORSE.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU RUN INTO AN ATV AND A HORSE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC SESSION, CO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, ANY OF THE COUNSELORS HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR TO, UH, OFFER FOR, UH, TO THE, THE SPEAKERS? I, I'LL JUST ADDRESS, COULD YOU GO OVER AGAIN, PLEASE? HOW THE REPRESENTATION WAS, UM, HOW WAS DECIDED ON, AND THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP REGARDING COCONINO COUNTY? SURE.
THE, SPEAKING TO THE CO CONVENOR GROUP, THESE ARE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO HAVE LAND MANAGEMENT DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY.
AND SO THAT IS YAVAPAI COUNTY, AND THAT IS COCONINO COUNTY.
WE HAVE AN AID FOR A COCONINO COUNTY SUPERVISOR WHO PARTICIPATES IN THE WORKING GROUP, BUT NOT AS AN ACTIVE MEMBER.
THEY, THEY'RE ACTING IN MORE OF A LISTENING ROLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE UP TO SPEED ON THE PROCESS ITSELF, BUT CURRENTLY ARE NOT ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE CO CONVENER GROUP.
AND IS THAT THE DISTRICT THREE SUPERVISOR? THAT'S CORRECT.
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ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? GOOD.PETE, I, I JUST WANT YOU TO REACT.
I DO BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME HORSEBACK RE REPRESENTATION ON THE GSRC.
I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR, YOUR WHOLE PRESENTATION TODAY.
UH, YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK NOW? IT WAS SEVEN, YEAH.
GENTLEMAN SAYS WE HAVE TO STRETCH, SO, UH, JOANNE.
IS THAT OKAY? UH, YOU'RE THE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BUT YOU ARE, YOU'RE READY TO DO THAT.
CAN YOU, UH, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.
ARE YOU TAKEN AN EATING BREAK OR JUST A STRETCHING BREAK? LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.
CAN I ASK EVERYBODY TO TAKE YOUR SEATS, PLEASE? WE CAN DO IT.
INDULGING US FOR A FEW MINUTES.
UM, I JUST WANT TO GO OVER SOME INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TWO OR MORE GROUPS OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS HERE TODAY.
I'M GOING TO ASK THOSE WHO ARE SITTING AND HEARING SOMEBODY OF AN OPPOSING OPINION THAT THEY DON'T AGREE WITH, TO PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL, PLEASE, NO BOOING OR COMMENTS UPSTAIRS.
UH, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, COMMENTS, WE CAN HEAR IT UP HERE.
WE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING UP HERE.
I DON'T, DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S THE WAY THE ROOM IS, BUT WE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING UP HERE.
I'M JUST ASKING THE PEOPLE, BE RESPECTFUL AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, THIS WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE TWO MINUTES, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SO, PLEASE, UH, INDULGE US AND, AND BE RESPECTFUL TO OTHER SPEAKERS.
AND BEFORE, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY WILL SPEAK, I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT ONE THING.
I WANT TO ADDRESS A RECENT ARTICLE IN OUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER FROM THE OTHER DAY.
THERE WERE MANY, UH, COMMENTS PROVIDED ABOUT OH, FEES.
AND YOU WILL HEAR TODAY DURING THE PRESENTATION, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS ADDRESSING SAFETY, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
OKAY? YET NOT ONE, NOT ONE WORD OF SAFETY WAS INCLUDED IN THE ARTICLE IN THE PAPER.
SO I JUST WANT TO, UH, UH, MENTION THAT HERE.
[8.d. AB 2950 Discussion/direction regarding an Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Title 10 (Vehicles and Traffic) by adding Chapter 10.30 (Improper Motor Vehicle Equipment).]
WILL NOW MOVE FORWARD WITH AGENDA ITEM AB 29 50, DISCUSSION DIRECTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE 10 VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC BY ADDING CHAPTER, UH, 10, UH, 0.3 IMPROPER MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT.KURT, THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO GO THROUGH.
I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT, UH, MY PRESENTATION AS WELL.
IF, IF ANYONE HAS ANY, UH, THAT DOESN'T, UH, BOTHER ME AT ALL.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED BY COUNSEL.
UH, I HAVE HERE JUST A TO BEGIN WITH A BRIEF TIMELINE OF WHERE WE ARE AT.
SO IT WAS JUST BACK ON APRIL 11TH AT THE CITY.
WE HAD THE FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UH, WHERE, UH, MAYOR JABO PRESENTED THE IDEA OF A, UM, SAFETY ORDINANCE, UM, GEARED AROUND, UH, VEHICLES ON THE ROADS THAT WERE UNSAFE.
UH, I PRESENTED, UH, ON APRIL 20TH, A DRAFT IMPROPER, UH, VEHICLE EQUIPMENT ORDINANCE.
THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN THE PACKET, AND THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS SENT OUT AT THAT SAME TIME TO, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, SO THAT WE COULD RECEIVE, UH, COMMENT BACK ON IT.
AND SO THAT EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF, UH, THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS THAT MIGHT HAVE ON THEM.
UH, AND THEN HERE WE ARE ON MAY 23RD.
THE FIRST COUNCIL REVIEW OF THIS, UH, ORDINANCE, UM, A SECOND COUNCIL REVIEW ADOPTION, UM, WILL DEPEND ON THE OUTCOME OF COUNCIL'S ACTION OR DIRECTION TODAY.
UH, THE PRESUMPTION BASED ON PAST ORDINANCES IS THAT THIS WILL JUST BE SCHEDULED AGAIN IN 30 DAYS.
UH, THAT'S ABOUT THE TIME IT USUALLY TAKES THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO INCORPORATE ANY COMMENTS OR DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ENTERING IT BACK.
SO, UNLESS I HEAR OTHERWISE, UH, I, UH, I
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INTEND TO BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL IN ONE MONTH, WHICH WOULD BE THE JUNE 27TH MEETING.UH, SO SOME BACKGROUND, THE, A LOT OF THE BACKGROUND IN THE AGENDA, BILL, I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
UM, BUT BRIEFLY, THE CITY WAS MADE AWARE OF SAFETY ISSUES WITH, UH, SOME MOTOR VEHICLES OPERATING ON CITY ROADS.
UM, THAT WAS PRIMARILY OHVS AND ATVS, UH, THAT THEY WERE OPERATING WITHOUT, UH, D O T APPROVED TIRES, AND THAT THEY WERE OPERATING WITHOUT, UH, FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND AGAINST THE MANUFACTURER'S INTENTIONS.
UM, EVEN MORE INFORMATIVELY, THE TRADE ASSOCIATIONS MADE UP OF THE SIX MANUFACTURERS OF OHVS AND ATVS, UM, CANAM YAMAHA, KAWASAKI HONDA, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER 'EM ALL.
POLARIS AND ARCA, IF THAT'S ALL, IF THAT'S SIX OR NOT.
BUT THEY, THE ROVA AND S V I A, UH, THEY SPECIFICALLY ADVOCATE THAT THESE VEHICLES ARE NOT TO BE USED ON PAVED ROADS OR PUBLIC ROADS, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE NOT SAFE FOR THAT USE.
UH, AS RECENTLY AS MARCH OF 2023, JUST TWO MONTHS AGO, UH, THEY SENT A LETTER TO THE OREGON LEG LEGISLATURE WHO WAS CONSIDERING, OR, AND MAY STILL BE CONSIDERING AN, UH, BILL TO MAKE THE OHVS AND ATVS, OR AT LEAST O HVS STREET LEGAL IN, UH, OREGON.
AND THEY ADVOCATED SPECIFICALLY THAT THAT WAS NOT, UH, THEIR INTENDED USE.
THEY WEREN'T SAFE FOR THAT USE, AND THAT THEY, THEY ENCOURAGE LEGISLATURES TO NOT HAVE THESE BE ALLOWED ON ROAD.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THE MOTOR, THE MANUFACTURERS, YOU HAVE THE CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION, US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THE NATIONAL, UH, TRAFFIC HIGHWAY SAFETY, UH, ADMINISTRATION, NITSA, I THINK THAT'S BACKWARD.
UH, ALL RECOMMEND, UM, AND OR IN VARYING DEGREES, BELIEVE THAT, UH, ADVOCATE THAT THE, UH, OFF O HV SHOULD NOT BE ON PUBLIC ROADS.
SO, THE MANUFACTURER POSITIONS, UM, I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL THESE, BUT, UH, JUST PULLING, UH, OFF OF SOME, SOME MODELS, ALL 2022 MANUALS OFF OF THE DIFFERENT MANUAL MANUFACTURERS.
SO YOU'VE GOT, UH, THE HONDA MANUAL STATES THAT, UH, THAT THE OSU ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO LEGALLY OR SAFELY DRIVE ON SUCH ROADS PAVED OR PUBLIC ROADS, UH, THE CAN-AM MANUAL.
AND, UH, NUMBER C THERE SAYS THAT THEY DO NOT, DO NOT ALLOW OPERATION ON PUBLIC ROADS.
UH, YOU GOT THE POLARIS MANUAL STATES.
UH, YOUR VEHICLE IS NOT DESIGNED OR CERTIFIED AS AN ONROAD MOTOR VEHICLE.
POLARIS DOES NOT SUPPORT PUBLIC ROAD USE.
UH, THE YAMAHA MANUAL DO NOT OPERATE THIS VEHICLE ON ANY PUBLIC STREET ROAD HIGHWAY, EVEN IF DIRT OR GRAVEL.
UH, THE KAWASAKI MANUAL USE OF THIS VEHICLE ON PUBLIC AND PAVED ROAD IS HAZARDOUS, UH, AND THE ARCTIC CAT MANUAL AND A, THERE NEVER OPERATE THIS VEHICLE ON ANY PUBLIC STREET, ROAD, OR HIGHWAY, EVEN DIRT OR GRAVEL ONE.
UH, SO, UH, WITH ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE AGENDA, BILL, UM, UH, SOME OF THE INFORMATION HERE AND, AND INFORMATION THAT CONTINUES TO BE, TO COME OUT, UH, AGAINST ALL THAT INFORMATION, THAT THEY ARE NOT SAFE ON PAV ROADS.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANY, UH, ARGUMENTS OR POSITIONS THAT THEY ARE SAFE SOMEHOW.
UH, WE'VE MET WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT, UH, INDUSTRY GROUPS AND, UM, INTERESTED PARTIES IN THIS ORDINANCE.
AND, AND NO ONE HAS ARGUED THAT, UH, THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE MANUAL STATE, THAT THESE ARE NOT SAFE ON PAVED ROADS, UH, LET ALONE SHOWN ANY DATA OR EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE SAFE ON, ON PAVED IN PUBLIC ROADS, UH, STATUTORY AUTHORITY.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTION WHETHER THE CITY COULD ACTUALLY, UH, PASS AN ORDINANCE LIKE THIS.
UM, IN ADDITION, THERE'S MULTIPLE STATE STATUTES, UH, THAT ALLOW THE CITY TO DO THIS.
UH, AND THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE CITY'S INHERENT PUBLIC, UM, UH, IT'S POLICE POWER TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS.
UH, BUT YOU HAVE HERE, ARS 28 6 26, THAT STATES THAT LOCAL AUTHORITIES SHALL ADOPT ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS RELAT TO THE CONTROL AND MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, AND THEN ONE SPECIFICALLY FROM THE O H V, UH, STATUTE, UM, ARTICLE OR CHAPTER THREE, ARTICLE 20 OF TITLE 28, UH, IT STATES, UH, IN 1174 A AND 1174 B, IT GIVES THE CITY AUTHORITY TO, UH, DESIGNATE ROADS AS CLOSED OR OPEN TO O H V TRAFFIC.
UM, SO ALREADY IN STATE LAW, THE CITY COULD DESIGNATE, UM, ANY ROADS, UH, AS BEING CLOSED TO OHVS.
UH, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOESN'T, IS LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN, THAN THAT.
IT DOESN'T JUST, UH, BAN OHVS, UM, FROM CITY STREETS.
IT JUST REQUIRES THAT ANY MOTOR VEHICLES THAT ARE ON STREETS BE SAFE.
UH, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE ALSO, UM, APPLIES TO MORE THAN JUST OH FEES.
IT APPLIES TO ANY MOTOR VEHICLES.
UM, SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE MOTORCYCLES, UM, PASSENGER VEHICLES, ANYTHING.
UM, IT'S, IT'S BROADLY DEFINED.
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UH, SO, UM, AS PART OF, UH, ARS 28, 11 74 B, IT STATES, A PERSONS SHALL NOT DRIVE AN OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE.ONLY O OR SHALL DRIVE A OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE ONLY ON ROADS, TRAILS, ROUTES, OR AREAS THAT ARE OPEN.
AS INDICATED IN THE RULES OR REGULATIONS OF A FEDERAL AGENCY, THIS STATE, A COUNTY OR A MUNICIPALITY, UM, THE ORDINANCE WOULD DECLARE THAT THE CITY ROADS ARE CLOSED TO UNSAFE VEHICLES.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE OF THE BASISES FOR THIS, UH, THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY FOR THIS ORDINANCE.
SO, A NOTE ON OHV REGISTRATION, IT WAS BACK IN 2008 THAT THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE ADOPTED SB 1167, ALLOWING OHVS TO BE REGISTERED FOR ON-ROAD USE.
UH, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOES NOT, YOU KNOW, UNREGISTER THEM.
UH, IT DOES, IS NOT IN CONFLICT, UH, WITH THAT PROVISION.
UM, REGISTRATION IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH SAFETY.
THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS MODELED AFTER ARS 9 81 28, 9 81, 9 82.
UM, AND THOSE TWO ORDINANCE, THOSE TWO STATUTES, UH, ALLOW POLICE OFFICERS, ANY PEACE OFFICERS OF THE STATE, UH, TO ENFORCE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS ON REGISTERED VEHICLES.
UM, SO EVEN IF THEY'RE REGISTERED, THEY CAN STILL STOP THEM IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE UNSAFE OR SUSPECTED TO BE UNSAFE, UH, AND THEY CAN EXPECT THE VEHICLES FOR SAFETY CONCERNS.
UH, THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY, UH, REGARDING SB 1167 IS, IS SEEMS TO BE A DEVOID OF ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE SAFETY OF O FEES OR THEIR INTENDED PURPOSE ON ROADS OR PUBLIC ROADS.
UH, THE, THE HISTORY THERE IS THE, UH, INITIAL BILL, UH, STATED HERE IN, IN SECTION ONE ON THIS SLIDE WAS TITLED THE FUNERAL PROCESSION RIGHT AWAY, AND FUNERAL ESCORT VEHICLE CERTIFICATION.
UM, AND AFTER PASSING THE SENATE 24 TO THREE ON MARCH 3RD, 2008, A STRYKER AMENDMENT WAS INTRODUCED IN THE HOUSE ON MARCH 21ST, 2008, WHICH WAS COMPLETELY A STRYKER AMENDMENT, STRIKES EVERYTHING IN THE AMENDMENT AND THE PROPOSED BILL AND REPLACES IT WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UH, IN THIS CASE, IT WAS, UH, UH, REPLACED.
THE FUNERAL POSSESSION, UH, AMENDMENT WAS REPLACED WITH O H V, UH, REGISTRATION, UM, THAT PASSED THE HOUSE ON FOUR THREE 2008.
SO, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 10 OR 11 DAYS OR SO AFTER THE, UM, THE STRIKER WAS INTRODUCED AND THEN LATER PASSED IN THE SENATE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, NOWHERE IN THE SUMMARIES OF THE THE STRIKER AMENDMENTS, THE PROPOSAL PROPOSALS, DOES IT TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OHVS ON PAVED OR PUBLIC ROADS.
UM, INTERESTINGLY IN, IN SB 1161, THE HOUSE SUMMARY, IT'S, IT CITES THE A RS 11 OR 20 11, 7 4 7, 11 74 B.
IT DIRECTS A PERSON TO DRIVE AN OHV ONLY ON ROADS, TRAILS, ROUTES, OR AREAS THAT ARE OPENED AS INDICATED IN RULES OR REGULATIONS OF A FEDERAL AGENCY, THIS STATE, COUNTY, OR OR MUNICIPALITY.
UH, THERE ARE DESIGNATED O H V TRAIL HEADS, UM, AND TRAILS IN THE STATE DONE EITHER BY THE STATE OR THE FOREST SERVICE OR OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES.
BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PUBLIC ROADS AND PAVED ROADS IN THE CITY HAVE NOT BEEN OPENED AS INDICATED IN THE RULES, REGULATIONS OF A STATE OF THE STATE, COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY.
UH, SO GETTING TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, IT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE, UH, I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS THE, THE FIRST DRAFT, UH, THAT WAS SENT OUT.
UM, ANY FINAL DRAFT WILL DEPEND ON THE DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL TODAY AND THE DIRECTION TAKEN THERE.
UH, BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE THE, THE GENERAL IDEAS WILL, WILL REMAIN THE SAME, I BELIEVE, AS THIS, UM, UNLESS COUNSEL DIRECTS OTHERWISE TODAY.
BUT THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WILL BE, UM, AMENDED BEFORE THE PROPOSED FINAL ORDINANCES, UH, SENT OUT TO COUNSEL TO REVIEW.
UH, SO HERE'S THE, THE MAIN, UM, PART OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, 10 30 0, 20 AND SUBSECTIONS A OR ONE AND TWO.
AND IN THAT, IT JUST REQUIRES THAT A PERSON SHALL NOT DRIVE OR MOVE.
I'M THINKING, WE'LL, PROBABLY THAT'S, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE STATE LANGUAGE.
I THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO PUT, OPERATE A PERSON SHALL NOT DRIVER OPERATE ON A HIGHWAY.
A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS IN UNSAFE CONDITION DOES NOT CONTAIN THE PROPER EQUIPMENT AS LISTED IN THIS CHAPTER, UH, AND IS EQUIPPED IN ANY MANNER IN VIOLATION OF STATE OR FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE STANDARDS, AND IS NOT APPROVED BY THE MANUFACTURER TO BE OPERATED ON STATE HIGHWAYS OR ON HIGHWAYS.
UM, NUMBER TWO IS SIMILAR, ONLY AS GEARED TOWARDS THE OWNERS, UH, THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR VEHICLES ARE SAFE, UH, FOR BOTH THE PARAGRAPH DS, UM, ARE LIKELY TO BE EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, UH, TO, TO EXPLAIN HOW OR WHERE THE MANUFACTURER MIGHT APPROVE OR, OR DISAPPROVE OF A VEHICLE TO BE OPERATED ON HIGHWAYS.
AND THAT WOULD BE IN, IN OWNER'S MANUALS OR CERTIFICATE ORDINANCES OR OTHER TITLE DOCUMENTS.
SO A FIRST VIOLATION WOULD RESULT IN A WARNING OR
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REPAIR ORDER, UH, THE DRAFT STATES.AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, CUMBERSOME FOR AN OFFICER TO TRY TO ISSUE BOTH A WARNING AND A REPAIR ORDER.
SO IT'D BE AN OR, UH, AT THE OFFICER'S DISCRETION, THEY COULD EITHER PROVIDE THE, THE PERSON A WARNING OR A REPAIR ORDER.
UM, A SECOND VIOLATION WOULD BE, UM, OR SECOND CONTACT FOR VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE COULD RESULT IN A $500 FINE, UH, UP TO $500 FINE.
AND THAT WOULD BE BASED ON IF THE PERSON FAILED TO PROVIDE THEIR REPAIR ORDER CERTIFICATE, UH, SHOWING THE CORRECTION.
UH, OR IF THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN RECEIVED A WARNING WITHIN 180 DAYS, UH, THEN IT COULD BECOME A CIVIL VIOLATION.
AND THEN LASTLY, IF THERE HAD BEEN TWO OR MORE, UM, CIVIL VIOLATIONS, SO TWO OR MORE TIMES THAT SOMEONE HAS BEEN, UH, CONVICTED OF, OF VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE, IT WOULD THEN BE A CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR, UM, WHICH IS STANDARD FOR CITY ORDINANCES.
UM, ALL CITY ORDINANCES ARE GENERALLY, UH, IF THEY'RE CRIMINAL, THEY'RE CLASS IS A CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR.
SO, UH, UP HERE ALSO, THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE 6.1 5.080.
THAT SHOULD BE 10, 10 30 0.080.
SO THERE ARE ADDITIONAL, UM, SOME PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES.
UH, THE, THE HIGHWAY DEFINITION WOULD BE EXPANDED TO BE, AND THIS IS JUST NOT, NOT THE DEFINITION OF THE NAME WOULD BE HIGHWAYS AND STREETS.
TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, THIS ISN'T A HIGHWAY.
EVEN THOUGH THE DEFINITION IS CLEAR THAT IT APPLIES TO ALL PUBLIC RIGHTS AWAY, IT WILL PROBABLY JUST BE MORE CLEAR TO HAVE IT STATE, HIGHWAY AND STREETS THROUGHOUT.
UM, CLARIFY, THIS HAS COME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT ELECTRIC BICYCLES ARE NOT INCLUDED, UH, PER STATE STATUTE.
UH, SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ANYWAY.
BUT, UH, WE CAN MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT THEY, AS A MOTOR VEHICLE, IT WOULD NOT INCLUDE ELECTRIC BICYCLES.
UH, BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, MOST OTHER THINGS YOU'D CONSIDER TO BE A, UM, A MOTOR VEHICLE, INCLUDING SCOOTERS OR MOTORCYCLES.
UM, THIS HAS COME UP A A COUPLE TIMES TOO ABOUT EXEMPTING CARS, UH, ANTIQUE CARS.
UM, THE REASON FOR THE 1940 EIGHTS LISTED IN THE PACKET, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THAT WAS WHEN THE FIRST, UM, UH, D O T DEPARTMENT, US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS WERE ADOPTED FOR, FOR, UH, FOR TIRES ON MOTOR VEHICLES.
AND THEN, UM, IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED THAT THIS COULD BE DONE ALSO BY LIKE A COMMUNITY SERVICE AIDS AS A PARKING TICKET.
SO IF THEY'RE AT A TRAILHEAD AND YOU HAD SEEN THEM DRIVE THERE, AND THEN YOU COULD GO OVER AND GIVE 'EM A PARKING LIKE TICKET, UM, THE VAST MAJORITIES WILL BE MOVING VIOLATIONS.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, THOSE PERSONS ARE AUTHORIZED TO STOP, UM, AND OR INVESTIGATE FOUR.
AND SO THE, THE FINAL ORDINANCE WOULD BE, UH, I PROPOSE IT TO, TO INCLUDE ONLY PEACE OFFICERS, SO POLICE OFFICERS.
UM, AND THEN I, I MENTIONED THE NEXT TWO.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A VARIOUS NUMBER OF TYPOS AND NUMBERING ISSUES IN THE FIRST DRAFT THAT WOULD BE CORRECTED.
UM, AND WITH THAT COUNSEL, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I FOR QUESTION, UH, I WANNA START ON ONE OF THE IPADS FOR NOW.
I'M TRYING TO ORIENT THE QUESTIONS THAT I MAY HAVE, KURT, IN THE, THE WHEREAS IS THAT YOU'VE GOT DRAFTED KIND OF FOCUS REALLY ON THE TIRES BIT.
IS IT YOUR INTENT BASED ON SOME OF THESE CHANGES AND FEEDBACK YOU'VE GOTTEN THAT THE WHEREAS'S WOULD GET DRAFTED DIFFERENTLY IN A RETURN TO US? YES.
SO THE WEARERS CLAUSE WERE, THE INITIAL DIRECTION, UM, WAS BASED ON, UH, VEHICLES NOT HAVING D O T APPROVED TIRES.
UM, THAT SCOPE OF THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN EXPANDED.
AND SO THE WEARERS CLAUSES WILL ALSO EXPAND, UM, AND, AND, AND CITE TO A NUMBER OF, OF SOURCES THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY CITED TO.
SO A LOT OF THE SOURCES THERE, THEY'RE IN THE, IN THE AGENDA BILL, WILL LIKELY BE CITED IN THE WAREHOUSE CLAUSES.
UH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, ELECTRIC BIKES, WHICH I, I APPRECIATE THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP HERE.
MY ELECTRIC BIKE IS PARKED OVER THERE.
THEY'RE NOT D O T RAYEN IS, UH, BI ELECTRIC BICYCLES, ENOUGH WORDING.
ARE THERE OTHER THINGS? DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT ABOUT SCOOTERS OR THAT MIGHT NOT BE A BICYCLE, UH, GOLF CARTS, OTHER ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF ELECTRONIC, UH, SO, SO THAT COULD BE A, A BROADER CONVERSATION.
COUNSELOR FERMAN, THE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS ARE, UM, TECHNICALLY PROHIBITED ALREADY.
THEY'RE CONSIDERED, UM, MOTORIZED SKATEBOARDS PER ORDINANCES THAT MOST MUNICIPALITIES IN THE
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STATE ADOPTED BACK IN THE LATE NINETIES, EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.IT WAS A, A BIG DEAL TO GET A LITTLE GAS POWERED SKATEBOARD.
THE DEFINITION OF A MOTORIZED SKATEBOARD FITS SCOOTERS.
UM, THE TWO WHEELS IN TANDEM ON RIDING ON A PLATFORM.
UH, SO THAT TYPE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE'S ALREADY PROHIBITED BY A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE.
IF THOSE WERE, WERE, IF COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN ALLOWING THOSE, WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT.
BUT THIS WOULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON LIKE A, A ROADS, ANY, ANY MOTOR VEHICLE ON THE ROAD.
SO INCLUDING, UM, GOLF CARTS, UM, DO GOLF CARTS CURRENTLY CARRY D O T TIRES? UH, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
VESPA MOTOR DOUBT DUPA CYCLES, I DOUBT THEY DO.
THE VESPAS PROBABLY DO IT CUZ THEY'RE JUST A SCOOTER IN THEIR MOTORCYCLES.
AND D O T DOES APPROVE MOTORCYCLE TIRES.
WHAT THE D O T DOESN'T APPROVE IS ANY OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLE TIRES.
ANOTHER SECTION IN THIS ORDINANCE EXEMPTS US, THE CITY FOLKS.
CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT WHY THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE THAT WAY? I'M NOT PARTICULARLY COMFORTABLE WITH EXEMPTING THE CITY FROM ORDINANCES THAT APPLIED TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
YEAH, SO THE EXEMPTION FOR GOVERNMENT, UM, WORKERS AND THOSE, UH, AND ACTING IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY, UM, IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS WAS THE FIRE DISTRICT DOES HAVE A UTV OR OUR O H V TYPE VEHICLE THAT THEY USE TO GET FURTHER BACK IN TRAILHEADS THAN THE FIRE TRUCKS WILL ALLOW.
AND THOSE ARE STORED AT VARIOUS FIRE STATIONS.
UM, AND SO THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL DOWN THE ROAD IN ORDER TO GET TO THE TRAILHEAD AND THEN GET FARTHER DOWN THE TRAIL THAN WHAT A FIRETRUCK OR AMBULANCE WOULD.
AND THEN MY MIND STARTS TO, ONE, TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT COULD COME UP WHEN WE PASS ORDINANCES LIKE THIS? AND I JUST THINK ABOUT THE WHOLE TRAILERING THING.
I HOPE THAT THE FOREST SERVICE OR GSRC FOLKS WILL GIVE ME SOME COMMENTS, FEEDBACK ABOUT THE TRAILERING, I THINK ABOUT A RESIDENCE THAT OWN THESE TOO, AND SOMEONE THAT MIGHT LIVE A A HUNDRED YARDS OFF OF A TRAILHEAD AND WHETHER THEY WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THEM TO TRAILER THINGS FOR A HUNDRED YARDS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S JUST SOME DETAILS THAT I WOULD, AND, AND I APPRECIATE MAYOR THAT, UH, AND, AND KURT THAT WE'RE GONNA GIVE A A SECOND ROUND ON THIS.
THIS, UH, IT WAS, IT'S A GREAT PROCESS THAT WE GET LOTS OF GOOD TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES AND UNATTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE, UH, MOVING, MOVING FORWARD.
UH, KURT, DO YOU HAVE ANY IN INITIAL RESPONSES ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO DO ONCE THIS THING GETS PASSED? I DON'T, UM, I WILL STILL COUNCILOR FURMAN AND COUNSELORS TO YOUR, YOUR LAST COMMENT.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, OTHER STATES, SOME STATES, I THINK IT'S NEVADA DOES ALLOW, UM, A SHORT, A SHORT PERIOD IF THEY'RE UNLOADING OR UNLOADING TO BE DRIVEN ON A PAVED ROAD.
SO THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE IF THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN.
ANOTHER POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCE THAT I'D LOVE TO HEAR SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT, SOME THINKING ABOUT IS FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT MIGHT OWN THESE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ESSENTIALLY REQUIRING THEM TO BUY A TRAILER AND WHERE MIGHT THAT PARK? I THINK WE GONNA SEE PARKING ON STREETS TRAILERS NOW, OR TRAILER CROWNING PLACES.
ANY, ANY THOUGHTS OR, YEAH, SO IT WOULD APPLY IT, THERE'S NO EXEMPTION FOR RESIDENTS VERSUS NON-RESIDENTS OR, OR BUSINESSES SUPPLIES UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE CITY ON ALL, UM, PAID PUBLIC ROADS.
UH, AS FAR AS TRAILERING, THERE ARE ALREADY PARKING RESTRICTIONS FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, IN SOME CASES SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ALREADY HAVE, UM, PARKING RESTRICTIONS.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT HAVING TRAILERS PARKED WORKS PARKED ALL OVER PARKING RULES COVER A TRAILER THAT DOESN'T HAVE A VEHICLE ATTACHED.
IS THAT COVERED UNDER OUR, UM, IF IT WAS A FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, YES.
IF IT'S JUST FOR RESIDENTS, THEN YEAH, THAT'S MOSTLY I'M ASKING THEN A RESIDENT.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING IN CODE RIGHT NOW.
PROHIBIT A RESIDENT FROM PARKING A TRAILER FOR, UH, SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A 72 HOUR LIMIT ON THAT OR MAYOR, I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW.
KATHY, I HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FERMAN HAS.
UM, AND I WANNA GO BACK INTO THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE.
I THINK IN ORDER, I ALSO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE, WHEREAS CLAUSES THAT THEY ONLY
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SPOKE TO TIRE MANUFACTURING AND NOT TO THE GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE, UM, IN THE, IN THE BOOKLETS THAT COME IN THE MANUFACTURER'S GUIDES, I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE REFERENCED IN, IN HERE IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ABOUT.UH, AND A LOT OF IT, IT NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED IN THE WHEREAS'S.
SO I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THERE BEING A, A MORE DETAILED VERSION OF THE WHEREAS'S.
CUZ TO ME IT DOESN'T EXACTLY CORRELATE IN MAKING JUSTIFICATION FOR THE ORDINANCE AT THIS POINT.
SO I, THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE SOME BACKGROUND ADDED IN THE WAREHOUSES, I THINK IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE MORE PALATABLE FOR ME.
UM, A QUESTION THAT I HAD ALSO, KURT, YOU MENTIONED IT AND IT CAME UP IN COUNCILMAN PERFORMANCE QUESTIONS, BUT I AM CONCERNED YOU'RE IN THE DEFINITION SECTION ONE DEFINITION MOTOR VEHICLE MEANS A SELF-PROPELLED VEHICLE INCLUDING UTILITY TERRAIN VEHICLES, ALTERING VEHICLES AND OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES.
AND AGAIN, THAT THERE IS NO DISTINCTION THERE BETWEEN A FOUR-WHEEL OR A, UM, IS THAT BY DESIGN OR DO YOU WANT TO BE CLEAR AND SAY FOUR WHEELED AND TWO-WHEELED, OR FOUR WHEELED, NOT TWO-WHEELED? I MEAN, I JUST THINK, I, I, FOR ME, I NEED SOME CLARITY THERE BECAUSE I, WHEN I THINK OF A, THE MOTOR VEHICLE, I, I, I JUST, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A LAY PERSON AS WELL IN THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS LAW AND APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHERE A TWO-WHEELED WHEELED VEHICLE COMES INTO PLAY AS WELL.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO ADDRESS HOW YOU ANTICIPATE TREATING FOUR-WHEEL VERSUS TWO-WHEELED IN HERE? AND I, I'M WONDERING IF THE SAME CONCERNS EXIST, UM, FOR THE TWO-WHEELERS, FOR THE FOUR WHEELED.
SOMETIMES IF WE WANNA MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO, AGAIN, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
I, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WHAT WE WANNA DEAL WITH.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT TWO-WHEELED VEHICLES, SO I WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.
IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT BEFORE I GO ON TO MY NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
THANK YOU COUNSELORS AND COUNSELOR KINSELLA.
SO THE ORDINANCE APPLIES TO ALL VEHICLES REGARDLESS OF NUM MOTOR VEHICLES, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF WHEELS.
SO IT COULD BE 4, 3, 2 OR SIX.
THERE ARE SIX WHEELED, UM, VEHICLES OUT THERE.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW ANY OF ANY FIVE VEHICLES, FIVE WHEEL VEHICLES, BUT WE'RE SO JUST THE ONE ON THE BACK, THE SCARE
SO THE, UM, UH, IT APPLIES TO ALL VEHICLES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DRAW THAT DISTINCTION.
UH, AS FAR AS SAFETY CONCERNS, THE SAME SAFETY CONCERNS WOULD APPLY TO A, UH, A DIRT BIKE THAT'S MADE ONLY FOR OFF-ROAD USE OR INTENDED ONLY FOR OFF-ROAD USE BY THE MANUFACTURER.
UM, VERSUS A, YOU KNOW, A HARLEY DAVIDSON CENTER, BMW OR OR HONDA MOTORCYCLE THAT'S SPECIFICALLY MADE FOR ON-ROAD USE AND HAS D OT APPROVED TIRES.
UH, SO, UH, THAT'S WHY, UH, CURRENT, THE CURRENT DRAFT INCLUDES ALL MOTOR VEHICLES AND THAT INCLUDES MOTORCYCLES.
UM, AGAIN, I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS IN THAT AREA, SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING KEEP IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND WHEN WE GO FURTHER WITH THIS.
BUT, UM, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN MAYBE I JUST AM NOT AWARE OF THEM.
I'M NOT TAKING A POSITION ON THAT AT THE MOMENT.
UM, YOU ALSO, COUNCILMAN FERMAN ASKED ABOUT SCOOTERS AND YOUR ANSWER SPOKE TO THE SKATEBOARD TYPE SCOOTER THAT ONE WOULD STAND ON.
BUT WHEN I HEAR THE TERM SCOOTER AND OUT THERE IN THE VERNACULAR, A FRIEND OF MINE HAS WHAT SHE CALLS A SCOOTER, WHICH IS A ASSISTIVE DEVICE FOR SOMEBODY WITH A DISABILITY.
UM, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, AN ELEC, IT, IT DOES RUN, I GUESS IT'S ELECTRIC AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ELECTRIC OR IT'S GOT A COMBUSTION MOTOR.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHICH IT IS.
BUT THAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS SCOOTERS.
IF YOU GO ONLINE INTO MARKETPLACE OR IF YOU GO ON, YOU KNOW, CRAIGSLIST OR SOMETHING AND YOU PUT IN SCOOTERS, THOSE ARE WHAT COME UP.
SO I THINK TO JUST USE THE TERM SCOOTER, WE NEED A MORE CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT A SCOOTER IS.
I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE, DO SOMETHING THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBILITY, THEIR MOBILITY, UM, WITHIN THE SYSTEM DEVICE.
SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION ABOUT THAT.
COUNSEL, ILLA, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE MOTORIZED WHEELCHAIRS? NO, I'M NOT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS REFERRED TO AS A SCOOTER THAT YOU SIT ON, DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND IT'S REGISTERED OR LICENSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE REGISTERED.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE REGISTERED OR NOT.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE KIND OF BACKGROUND THAT WE NEED TO KNOWS THE VESPA SCOOTERS AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN HERE.
THE WHICH ONE? LIKE A VESPA SCOOTER? LIKE NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE CALLED SCOOTERS.
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IF YOU GO ON YOU CAN FIND THEM, JUST GO ON EBAY OR GO ON CRAIGSLIST OR SOMETHING AND PUT IN A SCOOTER AND YOU'LL COME UP WITH A SEATED DEVICE.IS IT LIKE THEY'RE USING THE SUPERMARKETS? LIKE SAFEWAY HAS A LITTLE, THAT'S ANOTHER VERSION THAT'S A LITTLE LIKE THE SAFEWAY SCOOTER.
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE USING, I'VE SEEN THEM LARGER THAN THAT.
THEY'RE MEANT FOR STREET USE, THEY'RE BIGGER THAN THAT, BUT THEY ARE CALLED SCOOTERS.
SO I'M GETTING, DID SOMEBODY WANNA WEIGH IN SCOOTERS? OH,
DIDN'T SEE A LOOK WHAT YOU DID.
THERE WAS A LOOK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANT, BUT THERE WAS A LOOK MOVING ON.
YEAH, SO SCOOTERS NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED, CUZ AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS AN ADA ISSUE FOR ME AS WELL.
SOME, ANY TYPE OF MOTORIZED WHEELCHAIR IS NOT A VEHICLE OR A MOTOR VEHICLE PER STATE LAW.
SO THOSE WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED ALREADY, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY PLEASE LOOK INTO IT.
CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS WHEELCHAIRS.
THEY'RE, UM, MAYOR, IF I CAN, I JUST LOOKED IT UP.
LOOKS LIKE MOBILITY ASSIST SCOOTER IS A TERM I THINK THAT MIGHT DELIVER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, COUNSELOR.
THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND, IF THAT'S THE TERMINOLOGY.
AS, AS I SAID, I'VE LOOKED THEM UP UNDER SCOOTER AND THAT'S WHAT COMES UP.
UM, I JUST WANNA GO TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE ASKED IN SOCIAL MEDIA.
UH, YOU ADDRESSED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GO A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH ON IT IN TERMS OF THE ABILITY TO REGULATE 89 A AND 1 79 VERSUS THE ROADS THAT ARE OUR CITY ROADS.
COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH PLEASE? UH, CERTAINLY.
SO, MAYOR AND COUNSELORS, THE, UH, THE CITY REGULATES STATE HIGHWAYS IN A VARIETY OF WAYS ALREADY INCLUDING, UM, THE, INCLUDING SIGNAGE ALONG THE STATE ROUTES, UH, INCLUDING, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF ORDINANCES WE HAVE IN OUR TRAFFIC.
UM, IN, IN CHAPTER 10, UM, THE SAME PLACE WHERE THIS WOULD BE, THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD GO THAT ALLOW POLICE OFFICERS TO STOP VEHICLES FOR CITY CODE VIOLATIONS.
ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE TO, UH, AND SOME OF THESE ARE MIRRORED IN STATE LAW AS WELL, BUT ONE OF THEM WOULD BE TO, IF YOU FAILED TO OBEY, UM, A TRAFFIC CONTROLLED DEVICE OR YOU TOOK ACTION TO AVOID A TRAFFIC AND CONTROLLED DEVICE.
SO WHEN YOU CUT THROUGH THE GAS STATION, UM, INSTEAD OF STOPPING AT THE RED LIGHT AND AN OFFICER PULLS YOU OVER FOR THAT, THEY CAN CITE YOU FOR THAT UNDER, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, CITY CODE VIOLATION.
UH, ALSO FAILURE TO AB ABIDE BY A POLICE OFFICER'S ORDERS, UM, REGARDING TRAFFIC ORDERS.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL EXAMPLES OF REGULATIONS THAT THE CITY ALREADY DOES, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WELFARE FOR THE RESIDENTS ON STATE ROUTES.
UM, THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THOSE, UM, BASED ON THE SAFETY ISSUES AND CONCERNS AND WOULD ALLOW THE THEONA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENFORCE THIS ORDINANCE ON STATE ROUTES JUST LIKE THOSE OTHER ORDINANCES.
UM, AS FAR AS IN THE STATE STATUTE, AS SPEC AS WE, AS I MENTIONED, IT SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS THE CITY TO ADOPT ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS TO CONTROL THE MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, NOWHERE IN THE ENTITLED 28 DOES IT PROHIBIT THE CITY'S OR MUNICIPALITIES FROM DOING SO ON, ON STATE, STATE ROUTES AND ONLY ON, ON LOCAL ROADS.
IT DOESN'T MAKE THAT DISTINCTION.
AND UNDER THE PENALTIES, I, I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT TOO.
I, I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, IF SOMEBODY IS OPERATING, IT'S, IT'S JUST LIKE BEING IN YOUR CAR WHERE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CAR I'M DRIVING, IF I HAVE A VIOLATION, IT STICKS WITH ME.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VEHICLE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE INTENTION HERE TOO, AND THAT THE LANGUAGE CAPTURES THAT.
ONE, THE, THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, UH, BUT ALSO THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A VIOLATION OF ORDINANCE.
UH, SO THAT'S, IN THAT WAY IT'S SIMILAR TO A PARKING TICKET.
YOU PARK SOMEWHERE ILLEGALLY, UM, EVEN IF IT WAS YOUR KID OR YOUR SPOUSE OR WHOEVER, BUT IT'S REGISTERED IN YOUR NAME AND NO ONE'S AROUND TO GET THE TICKET, THEN YOU'LL GET THE TICKET IN THE MAIL.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE SAME, UH, METHOD HERE.
IT COULD EITHER BE THE DRIVER IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO BE, UM, WARNED OR CITED, OR THE OWNER, UH, COULD BE WARNED, UM, OR CITED.
I HAVE JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, IN YOUR BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION, TALKED ABOUT SOME CONVERSATION THAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE MANUFACTURERS, UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER IN THE OTHER PRESENTATION AS WELL.
UH, ARE THOSE CONVERSATIONS DOCUMENTED THAT WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF MANUFACTURERS STATING TO US THAT YES, THEY AGREE AND THEY, THEY, OTHER THAN THE MANUAL ITSELF, WHICH
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IS SORT OF STANDARDIZED LANGUAGE, BUT SOMETHING ON RECORD THAT SAYS THAT, YES, IT IS OUR OFFICIAL POSITION, THAT THESE ARE NOT TO BE USED ON PAVED ROADS, PUBLIC STREETS.SO IN ADDITION TO THE MANUALS, CERTIFICATE OF ORIGINS, UH, AND THE ADVOCACY GROUPS THAT THE ALL THE MAN, ALL SIX MANUFACTURERS ARE PART OF AND SPONSOR ROVA AND S V I A, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYTHING DOCUMENTED.
THE, UM, ONE OF THE MANUFACTURERS, POLARIS HAS MET MULTIPLE TIMES WITH THE MAYOR MM-HMM.
BUT IT'S, AND THAT'S NOT DOCUMENTED THOUGH? NO, I MEAN, NOT IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE, THE TESTIMONY AND, AND I, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'VE EXPRESSED THEY WOULDN'T STATE ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY, UM, PUBLICLY ANYWAYS.
AND THEY DON'T, CUZ THEIR PUBLIC POSITION IS THAT THESE ARE NOT INTENDED FOR ON-ROAD USE.
SO THAT'S THEIR PUBLIC POSITION.
BUT HOW IS THAT PUBLIC POSITION DOCUMENTED? UH, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE TURN AROUND AND THERE IS A LAWSUIT ON THIS OR SOMETHING, UH, IF THERE WAS DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY'VE STATED AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE FIND HELPFUL.
IF, IF ALL THE MANUFACTURERS WANTED TO SEND US IN A LETTER SAYING THAT THEY AGREE THESE ARE NOT SAFE ON ROSE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, BUT BARRING THAT, I DON'T THINK, UH, THEY'VE ALREADY STATED THAT THEY'VE STATED THAT IN THEIR MANUALS, THEY'VE STATED IN LETTERS TO OTHER LEGISLA LEGISLATURES LIKE OREGON, UM, THEY'VE STATED IN THEIR ADVOCACY, UM, GROUPS.
UM, AND SO I DON'T EXPECT, I WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK I GUESS.
AND I'M GOING TO, THIS IS PROBABLY MY LAST QUESTION, BUT I AM ALSO JUST CONCERNED ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND ONE OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT I'M CONCERNED OF IS THAT IT BY TRAILERING, UM, THAT THERE WOULD BE PRESSURE PUT ON ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS FOR THESE TO BE TRAILERED TO, THAT THERE WOULD BE THE TEMPTATION TO WANT TO CREATE STAGING AREAS SOMEWHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IS ONLY GOING TO ADD TO THE PROBLEM PERHAPS.
UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE OUT IN THE 5 25 AREA AS WELL AS, AS EVERYTHING GETS FORCED OUT CUZ THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO TRAILER TO SOMEBODY.
IF THEY CAN'T BRING A TRAILER INTO SOME OF THE SMALLER TRAILHEAD AREAS THAT ARE WITHIN OR CLOSE TO ON THE BORDER OF THE CITY LIMITS, THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT THERE AND INCREASE THE DEVASTATION TO AN AREA THAT IS ALREADY SUFFERING.
SO, AND ALSO PRESSURE ON THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND US, LIKE COTTONWOOD, YOU KNOW, AND UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
I'M JUST, I, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS.
SO I, I WANNA KNOW HOW WE ARE THINKING OF THAT.
SO IT, THOSE ARE POSSIBILITIES, COUNSELOR, KINSELLA.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, THAT, UH, COUNSEL CAN DISCUSS TODAY.
UM, IT, IT, SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR THE CITY TO LOOK INTO DIFFERENT TRAILING OR STAGING AREAS.
UH, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT, THAT COULD JUST SHUFFLE THE PROBLEM FROM CERTAIN TRAIL HEADS TO OTHERS.
UM, ANOTHER OPTION COULD POTENTIALLY BE, UM, UH, YOU, YOU COULD, UH, DO WEEKS OR MONTHS ON CERTAIN TRAILHEAD.
SO THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED AT SOMETIMES AND NOT AT OTHERS.
UM, THERE'S THINGS THAT THE CITY COULD DO AS PART OF BEING ABLE TO CONTROL THOSE STREETS FOR, UH, TO CLOSE OR OPEN CITY STREETS FOR O H V USE.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE BIG QUESTIONS I THINK WE NEED TO PONDER.
I'LL LEAVE IT THERE FOR NOW BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL TACKLE SOME OF THAT IN DISCUSSION.
I'LL, I'LL, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
JOHN, I THINK ALL THE QUESTIONS I WAS GONNA ASK ARE ASKED.
WANNA TRY AGAIN? I KNOW, I KNOW.
I JUST WANNA SEE IF HE'S AWAKE.
BRIAN, YOU'RE, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, KURT ON THE PENALTIES SECTION, I WANNA PICK UP ON WHERE, UH, CATH, UH, COUNSELOR KINSELLA, UH, STARTED ASKING SOME QUESTIONS.
SO UNDER THAT FIRST ITEM, A, UM, THIS NOTION OF A REPAIR ORDER THAT STRIKES ME AS AN UNENFORCEABLE PENALTY, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REPAIR THAT CAN BE DONE TO AN O H V THAT WOULD TURN AROUND AND MAKE IT SAFE FOR, UH, ON HIGHWAY OR PAVED, UH, USE.
RIGHT? SO THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN'T REALLY INCLUDE THAT.
RIGHT? SO A COUPLE POINTS ON THAT ONE.
THIS IS, UH, THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT ONLY AFFECT OHVS, IT'S ANY VEHICLE.
AND THERE ARE OTHER MOTOR VEHICLES THAT AT TIMES ARE MODIFIED OR USED IN UNSAFE UH, WAYS.
AND SO, UH, THE REPAIR ORDER IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT
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ALREADY HAS AND USES.UM, THEY DO IT UNDER STATE STATUTE.
UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE DONE UNDER, UH, LOCAL ORDINANCE.
UM, AND EVEN IN THE CASE OF OH FEES, UM, THE TIRES, UM, ARE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CHANGED OUT, UH, TO A LIGHT TRUCK TIRE OR SOMETHING THAT IS D O T APPROVED, BUT IT'S STILL UNSAFE AND STILL NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR PAVED USE.
SO FOR THE MANUFACTURERS, YES.
SO ON THAT, THAT, IF THAT WOULDN'T BE A REPAIR ORDER, THEY, IF THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE CITED FOR, UM, THAT TYPE OF REPAIR ORDER, THEN UNTIL THE MANUFACTURERS WANT TO, UM, DESIGN THEM FOR IT TO BE SAFE ON PAVED ROAD USE, THEN? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN, SO LET'S PLAY THIS OUT FOR CUSTOMERS OF OUR RENTAL BUSINESSES.
SO SOMEBODY SHOWS UP FROM LA RENTS AN O H P, AND THIS ORDINANCE IS IN EFFECT, AND THEY ROLL OFF OF THE LOT.
UM, THERE IS NO REPAIR ORDER FOR THIS THING.
SO THEY'RE GONNA GET A WRITTEN WARNING AS A FIRST VIOLATION.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S APPLICABLE.
AND THIS PERSON'S GONNA GO BACK TO LA AND WHERE, IS THERE ACTUALLY ANY PENALTY ON THIS? I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT APPLIES EITHER TO THE RENT WELL, THE, THE DRIVER OR THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE.
BUT YOU KNOW, FOR ANY OF OUR RENTAL COMPANIES THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, TENS OF, UH, VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE RENTING OUT, ARE WE NOW TRACKING THEIR VEHICLES BY A LICENSE PLATE? LIKE, I, I JUST, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING HOW THERE'S AN ENFORCEABLE PENALTY THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.
SO THE, THE, THE, IT'S, IT'S IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION, UH, REGARDING THE OWNER SHALL NOT DRIVE OR ALLOW A PERSON TO DRIVE A OR MOVE ON THE HIGHWAY, THE OWNER'S MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS UNSAFE.
UM, SO IT GOES WITH THE OWNER IF YOU, SO, YES, IF YOU, ALL THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT DID WAS EVER SITE, UH, GIVE WARNINGS TO THE TAURUS, AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE MUCH OF AN EFFECT.
UM, BUT AS LONG AS THEY ARE GIVING, UH, WARNING TO THE OWNER, WHICH IS AN LLC OR CORPORATION, AND AS AN OWNER, I DON'T GET TO JUST CHANGE MY VEHICLE EVERY DAY AND THEN NEVER, YOU KNOW, NEVER GET TO THE SUBSEQUENT THINGS.
SO NOW I GET A CITATION, UM, AFTER TWO CITATIONS, I CAN BE FACING CRIMINAL PENALTIES, UH, SO ON THAT WOULD RUN WITH THE, THE BUSINESS.
SO, SO YOU LOOK AT AS AN OWNER, IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY OHVS THEY HAVE THE FIRST TIME, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
CAUSE IT'S, IT'S WITH THE OWNER.
IT'S NOT THE OWNER'S VEHICLE'S NOT THE ONE GETTING THE CITATION.
MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED.
UM, SO NOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GO TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC SESSION AND PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.
UM, I'M GOING TO CALL A NAME AND I'M GONNA CALL SOMEONE AS A, UH, ON DECK.
WE'RE GONNA ASK THE PERSON ON DECK TO STAY SOMEWHERE NEARBY.
UH, AGAIN, I'M GONNA LIKE TO ASK FOR COURTESY TO THOSE WHO ARE SPEAKING, IF THEY ARE ADDRESSING SOMETHING THAT'S IN, UH, IN A DIFFERENCE OF YOUR OPINION.
SO, UH, CALLER WILLIAMS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ALISON STEVENSON.
WE HAVE TWO MINUTES AND WE HAVE TWO MINUTES.
GENTLEMEN, YOU GOT THE LIGHTS.
CARLA, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
MY NAME IS CARLA WILLIAMS. I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF KEEP SEDONA BEAUTIFUL, BUT I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF.
I DRIVE DRY CREEK ROAD, BOYNTON PASS, AND CANYON ROADS TO WORK.
I HAVE FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE WITH OHVS DANGEROUSLY PASSING.
I MOVED HERE FROM ALASKA, WHERE IN THE 40 YEARS I LIVED THERE, I NEVER SAW AN OHV ON A PAVED ROAD IN A CITY.
ON JANUARY 1ST, 2022, THE STATE OF ALASKA PASSED A REGULATION WITH RESTRICTIONS ALLOWING THEM, BUT CITIES COULD OPT OUT.
I COULD ONLY FIND THREE COMPANIES IN ALASKA RENTING OHVS TO INDIVIDUALS.
THEY'RE ALL IN RURAL LOCATIONS AND HAVE TRAILS ADJACENT TO RENTAL LOCATIONS.
ANCHORAGE, FAIRBANKS, JUNO, SITKA, WASILLA, HOMER, KENAI AND SNA ARE JUST A FEW OF THE ALASKA CITIES THAT HAVE BANNED OHVS ON PAVED CITY ROADS.
DOES ALASKA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, COMING TO VISIT AND LIVING THERE? WHO RECREATE? OF COURSE.
DO THEY HAVE US FORESTS? YES, OF COURSE THEY DO.
IT'S BECAUSE EVEN IN THIS LAST FRONTIER, LEADERS UNDERSTAND THE O H V SAFETY RISKS.
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AND TALK ABOUT THE US CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION AND WHAT THEY SAY STATE IN THEIR PUBLICATIONS ABOUT RISKS AND COLLISIONS AND ALL OF THAT.BUT, UM, I'M JUST GONNA SAY SIMPLY THAT I'M AGAINST ALLOWING OHVS ON PAVED ROADS IN AROUND SEDONA.
ALISON STEVENSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ANDREW RIPPY.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SEDONA FOR 30 YEARS.
MY HUSBAND MATT, WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS.
WE ARE LEGAL O H V OWNERS FOR 14 YEARS.
IN THE 14 YEARS OF OWNING AND OPERATING OUR O H V.
NEITHER MY HUSBAND NOR MYSELF HAVE EVER BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT.
WE DO OUR BEST TO COMMUTE SAFELY AND RESPONSIBLY.
OUR OHV IS LICENSED FOR BOTH ROADWAY AND OFF-ROAD USE.
IT BEARS THE EXTRA OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLE DECAL THAT'S REQUIRED, HAS CURRENT REGISTRATION AND INSURANCE, AND BY LAW IS COMPLIANT WITH THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THE STATE OF ARIZONA, THE GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT, AND ARIZONA PARKS AS WELL.
ARIZONA STATE PARKS, EXCUSE ME.
I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I COMPLETELY OBJECT TO THE CITY OF SEDONAS PASSING THIS ORDINANCE IN.
THE NAME OF SAFETY ON OUR PUBLIC STREETS.
ACCORDING TO THE INSURANCE INSTITUTE OF HIGHWAY SAFETY IN 2021, THERE WERE 45 OH V DEATHS NATIONWIDE ON NON INTERSTATE MINOR ROADS IN URBAN AREAS.
THESE TYPE OF ROADS ARE SIMILAR TO THE CITY STREETS WE HAVE HERE IN SEDONA 45 NATIONWIDE DEATHS.
MOVING TO THE YEAR 2022 NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION REPORTS A TOTAL VEHICLE DEATHS OF 43,000.
WHEN THAT SAME YEAR, THERE WERE 419 OH V DEATHS REPORTED.
HOW MANY OF THOSE NATIONWIDE? 419 OH V DEATHS AND 45 OHV DEATHS IN 21 OCCURRED HERE ON SEDONA CITY STREETS.
NOT ONE YOU JUST CAN'T SEE IN 2000.
UM, NOW IT'S GOING, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUE WITH MOTORCYCLES THROUGH OUR TOWN.
JEREMY, IS THAT ON IT'S COUNTY DOWN.
MOTORCYCLE DEATHS NATIONALLY TOPPLED OVER 6,000 Y O H WHILE O H V DEATHS WERE AT 293.
THAT MEANS MOTORCYCLE DEATHS ACCOUNT FOR 96%.
WERE O H HV ONLY FOUR FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.
SORRY, JUST THE TIMER JUST WENT OFF.
SO I'M SORRY I DON'T GET BACK THE FEW SECONDS THAT HE MAYBE PAUSE.
CAN I HAVE BACK THE FEW SECONDS? SURE.
I'M JUST GONNA MAKE SURE THE VOLUMES.
THANK YOU FOR THE RESIDENTS IN 2012.
IF THEY REMEMBER, THERE WERE FIVE MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENTS WITHIN 13 DAYS HERE IN SEDONA ON OUR ROADS.
ANDREW RIPE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TYLER JOY.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK TO YOU GUYS.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SEDONA, ARIZONA.
I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE TOURISM INDUSTRY SINCE I WAS 16.
I STARTED MY UTV TOURS RENTAL COMPANY IN 2017.
I'VE SACRIFICED A LOT TO CREATE A LIVING FOR MY FAMILY AND EMPLOYEES.
I KNOW THIS ORDINANCE IS ABOUT SAFETY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW I'VE KEPT MY CUSTOMERS SAFE OVER THE PAST YEARS.
UH, EACH RUNNER HAS TO WATCH A SAFETY VIDEO ON OH V OPERATIONS CREATED BY THE FOREST SERVICE.
UH, TWO SIGN LIABILITY WAIVERS WITH PEN AND PAPER THAT GOES OVER SPEED LIMITS, SAFETY GEAR, AND OPERATION OF THE UTVS.
WE USE PRECISE MAPPING AND OFFLINE SYSTEM THAT KEEPS OUR CUSTOMERS ON THE CORRECT TRAILS AND NOTIFIES US WHEN THEY DO GO OFF TRAIL.
I HAVE GOVERNED MY VEHICLES SINCE 2018.
THEY CANNOT EXCEED 45 MILES AN HOUR.
THIS ALSO MAKES THE UTV ACCELERATOR AT 50% REDUCTION, CAUSING LESS WILLMAN AND IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
I AM AN OWNER AND OPERATOR THAT HAS WORKED HERE HARDLY EVERY DAY TO KEEP MY CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES SAFE.
I'VE NEVER HAD ANY LAWSUITS FILED AGAINST MY COMPANY OR ANY LIFE-THREATENING CASES.
I BELIEVE THIS WILL ALSO HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON TOURISM, RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, GIFT SHOPS WILL ALL BE IMPACTED BY THIS.
SO BEFORE PASSING THIS ORDINANCE, THINK ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND THE LONG TERM OUTCOME.
FAMILIES DESTROYED TAX DOLLARS, GUNS, AND DRIVING OUT ALL OHV OWNERS OUTTA THE CITY.
IF THIS IS ABOUT SAFETY, GIVE US THE DATA YOU HAVE COLLECTED WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS DATA AND CAN LOOK OVER IT.
NEXT WE HAVE, SO TAYLOR JOY WILL BE FIRED BY BRIAN CRANSON.
UM, I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED WITH THE LOCAL U OF T V RENTAL COMPANY HERE IN SEDONA FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
I CAME TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPOSED UTV ORDINANCE THE CITY IS TRYING TO PASS AGAINST STATE LAW IS CONSTITUTIONALLY ILLEGAL.
THE MAYOR SAYS, IS BOUND UTVS ABOUT TRAFFIC, PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT IS NOT TRUE.
IF TRAFFIC AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS A CONCERN, THEN I'LL LOOK AT YOURSELVES.
I HAVE A LIST OF VIOLATIONS THAT ARE PUBLIC RECORD THAT ARE COMMITTED BY THIS COUNCIL.
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GUILTY.A STOP REQUIRED FOR ALLER DRIVEWAY.
FAILED TO YIELD LEFT TURN GUILTY SPEEDING.
66 AND A 45 GUILTY FAIL TO OBEY HIGHWAY SIGN.
AND MY PERSONAL FAVORITE OPERATOR OF AN UNINSPECTED VEHICLE.
YOU CAN LOOK UP THE NAMES FOR YOURSELF ONLINE.
MY COMPANY WILL HAVE TO DOWNSIZE AND MOVE, FORCING MYSELF AND MY FIANCE OUT OF A JOB.
DON'T FORGET HOW MANY PEOPLE THIS ORDINANCE WILL PLACE OUTTA WORK ALMOST INSTANTANEOUSLY, MYSELF AND MY FIANCE, FIANCE WILL FILE LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY FOR VIOLATING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER RIGHTS, LOSS OF WAGES AND DAMAGES IF WE LOSE OUR JOBS DUE TO THE CITY'S ORDINANCE.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARN BY THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE AS OF MAY 22ND, AS ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND AGAINST MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
AS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS ORDINANCE IS ILLEGAL BY THAT SAME COMPANY.
ARE YOU WILLING TO BREAK YOUR OATH JUST OR MAKE YOUR OFFICERS BREAK YOUR OATH? JUST BECAUSE THE CITY TELLS YOU TO.
DON'T BE DISGRACED TO EVERY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT HOLDS THEIR OATH EVERY SINGLE DAY.
BRIAN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CRAIG SWANSON.
BRIAN CARSTEN, SEDONA RESIDENT.
UM, I'VE WORKED FOR SEDONA ATV FOR 10 YEARS.
UM, OHVS HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE POPULAR OVER THE YEARS.
UM, SAFETY HAS NOT BEEN ON THE ROADS, HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE.
THEY, OUR VEHICLES USE, UM, DRY CREEK ROAD AND BROKE OR MORGAN ROAD, VERY RARELY, UM, TO GET TO THESE TRAILS, WHICH IS HOW THE ON-ROAD AND OFF-ROAD, UH, DESIGNATION OF THESE ROADS ARE, ARE ON AND OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES.
THEY GO FROM OUR PLACE, JUST LIKE THE RESIDENTS TO THE TRAILS AND RIDE AND BACK.
OUR VEHICLES AREN'T GOING ON THE HIGHWAY.
YOUR ORDINANCE WOULD PUSH VEHICLES TO THE HIGHWAY TO DO HIGHER SPEEDS, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY NEGATE YOUR WHOLE SAFETY ISSUE.
I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, A LOT OF FAMILIES, AND AS MUCH I TAKE FROM THE CITY AND FROM THE RESIDENTS, THE BEATING EVERY DAY PEOPLE COME BACK AND TELL ME HOW MUCH FUN THIS IS, THE MOST FUN THEY'VE EVER HAD IN THEIR LIFE.
UM, IT MAKES IT WORTH IT, YOU KNOW, SO AGAINST, I'M AGAINST IT.
CRAIG WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CARL JACKSON.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY AS THE PRESIDENT OF KEEP SEDONA BEAUTIFUL.
WHILE OUR MISSION IS TO PROTECT AND SUSTAIN THE SCENIC, BEAUTY AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OF SEDONA IN THE VERITY VALLEY, I'M NOT HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
INSTEAD, I'M HERE TO APPLAUD THE FACT THAT THE CITY IS PUTTING THE INTEREST OF ITS CITIZENS FIRST.
BY PROPOSING THIS ORDINANCE, THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY OF ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF RESIDENTS.
RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENTS WORK PROACTIVELY.
IRRESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENTS EITHER FAIL TO ACT OR ONLY TAKE ACTION REACTIVELY.
THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE PROACTIVELY RECOGNIZES THAT UNSAFE VEHICLES NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM CITY STREETS BEFORE THE INEVITABLE ACCIDENTS OCCUR.
WITHOUT AN OR ORDINANCE LIKE THIS, THEY WILL OCCUR.
KEEP SEDONA BEAUTIFUL URGES YOU TO TAKE THE NEXT STEPS ON THE PATH TO APPROVING THIS ORDINANCE AND TO KEEP SEDONA SAFE.
CARL JACKSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JANET JOHNSON.
I'M SPEAKING SOLELY AS A RESIDENT OF A BROKEN ARROW.
UM, BEEN A RESIDENT SINCE 2005.
AND FIRST, LET ME SAY THANK YOU TO MAYOR JALO.
THANK YOU TO VICE MAYOR PUG AND THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR DEMONSTRATING BY YOUR ACTIONS THAT YOU CARE ABOUT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELLBEING OF EVERYONE WHO DRIVES ON THE ROADS.
IN SEDONA, I SUPPORT THE PROPOSED OHV ORDINANCE.
I HEAR ABOUT THOSE WHO DRIVE UNSAFE OHVS ON PUBLIC ROADS, THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SO BECAUSE THEY ASSUME THE PERSONAL RISK.
IT'S CONVENIENT, THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ACCIDENT.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US? WHY DO I HAVE TO ASSUME THE RISK THAT I'LL BE STRUCK BY AN ATV OR UTV DRIVER WHO SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING ON ANY PUBLIC ROADS? AS CLEARLY STATED BY THE MANUFACTURERS LEADING ATV AND UTV INDUSTRY GROUPS AND REGULATORS, THERE ARE REAL SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT ROLLOVER RISK AND LOW PRESSURE AND NAVI TIRES THAT DON'T
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PROPERLY ADHERE TO THE ROADWAY.AND LET'S NOT FORGET THAT MANY OF THESE MULTI SEAT UTVS HAVE WHOLE FAMILIES IN THEM, INCLUDING SMALL CHILDREN.
ARE THESE FAMILIES AWARE THAT THESE VEHICLES HAVE NO TURN SIGNALS, NO ANTI-LOCK BRAKES, NO AIRBAGS, NO CRUMPLE ZONES.
IF THESE VEHICLES WERE MEANT TO BE ON THE ROADS, THEY'D BE SUBJECT TO FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS, WHICH THEY ARE NOT.
NOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THESE SAFETY ISSUES, THEY SIMPLY CANNOT BE IGNORED INSTEAD OF BLAMING THE CITY COUNCIL, HOW ABOUT BLAMING THE MANUFACTURER? FOR OTHERS LIKE ME WHO WANNA KEEP SEDONA SAFE, I SAY THANK YOU.
JANET JACKSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MICHAEL HIGBY.
I LIVE IN THE BEAR MOUNTAIN AREA.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY HERE SPEAKING TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF JIM KASAL.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, HE PASSED AWAY LAST TUESDAY.
THIS IS KIND OF HIS SWAN SONG.
HE CAME OUT TO OUR HOUSE SHORTLY AFTER WE FINISHED IT FOR OUR HOUSEWARMING.
AND HE WAS APPALLED AT WHAT HE SAW IN 1 52 SEA.
AS HE CAME OUT, ALL THE TREES DEAD AND DYING, EVERYTHING DUSTY, THE ROAD REALLY BUMPY.
HE SAID, OH MY GOSH, WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED HERE? AND I SAID, WELL, THIS IS JUST NORMAL FOR US.
ANYWAY, WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE LOOKING AT DOING THIS ORDINANCE, AND WE DISCUSSED IT.
AND HE, HE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF THE OHV COMPANIES WERE FORCED TO TRAILER THE OHVS, THERE WOULD BE FEWER TRIPS IN AND OUT OF YOUR AREA BECAUSE THEY WOULD ALL BE ON A TRAILER.
THE TRAILER WOULD HAVE TO GO SLOWER.
SO MAYBE THERE'D BE A LITTLE LESS DUST AND THEY'D HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO LOOK AROUND AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO HE SAID, BASED ON THAT, PROBABLY THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR YOUR AREA IN TERMS OF REDUCING SPEED AND DUST AND THE NUMBER OF TRIPS BACK AND FORTH THROUGH 1 52 C.
SO, BASED ON THAT, BOTH HE AND I AGREED THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US.
JAN MICHAEL FOR WILL BE FOLLOWED BY GUY LAUNION.
UM, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES IN THE DISCUSSION OF THIS ORDINANCE.
AND WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE, THE OUTLYING COMMUNITIES WOULD ALSO HAVE A TREMENDOUS BE TREMENDOUSLY IMPACTED YOUR OWN COMMUNITY.
THE BUSINESSES WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST THE O H V RENTERS, THE HOTELS, THE RESTAURANTS, UM, ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE TOURISM INDUSTRY WOULD GREATLY BE IMPACTED BY THIS.
I'M ALSO VERY CONFUSED BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, UH, THE MAYOR SAID THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS STRICTLY ABOUT SAFETY.
BUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, ALL I'VE HEARD IS GET RID OF THE OHVS.
THERE'S OTHER VEHICLES ON THE ROAD.
GOLF CARTS NEVER INTENDED TO BE ON A ROAD.
IT WAS BRIEFED OVER SLIGHTLY, BUT IT WASN'T REALLY DISCUSSED.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT DRIVE THEIR GOLF CARTS BACK AND FORTH TO THE GOLF COURSES.
WERE ALSO BROUGHT UP THAT MOTOR VEHICLES PRIOR TO 1948 WOULD BE EXEMPT.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERY MOTOR VEHICLE OWNER OF A CAR THAT'S NEWER THAN 1948 WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO TAKE THEIR CARS ON THE ROADS? IF IN SEDONA, I, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE IN THE ORDINANCE.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG IMPACT THERE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CAR COLLECTORS IN THIS COMMUNITY ALSO.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO PROVE A LOT OF THOSE CARS.
BUT AGAIN, ALL I HEAR IS GET RID OF THE OHVS WHEN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WAS STATED.
GUY LAUNION WILL BE FOLLOWED BY KAYLA WATSON.
MR. MAYOR, MS. VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND CITY ATTORNEY.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE O H V PROBLEMS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
BY REVIEW LAST YEAR, I COMPLETED AN ONLINE SURVEY ABOUT O H V NOISE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
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RESPONDED TO THIS SURVEY.THEY FOUND O H V NOISE VERY OFFENSIVE.
4% SAID THEY FOUND O H V NOISE SOMEWHAT OFFENSIVE.
15% SAID THEY FOUND OHV NOISE.
HOWEVER, MANY OF THOSE NOTED WERE NOT IN AN IMPACTED AREA.
SO I, I WOULD SUBMIT THIS IS KIND OF THE PROFILE OF, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS, UH, UH, QUICKLY, UM, OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE, UH, DONE ROAD CLOSURES BY CITY.
UM, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BACK BEYOND THAT, THAT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE, THE LACK OF ACCESS TO, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
UH, JEROME HAS 85, UH, DECIBEL, UH, REDUCTION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN ANY LAWSUIT, UH, OR THERE'S ANY ACTION PENDING.
CAREFREE, UH, MOTORCYCLE LIMIT, 80 DECIBELS BELOW THE, THE STATE LIMIT.
MARICOPA COUNTY ROUTINELY RESTRICTS, UH, OH FEES FOR, UH, ERROR NOISE POLLUTION PROBLEMS, UH, AND, UH, RESTRICTIONS FOR NOISE FOR, UH, ENGINE BREAKS IN SEVERAL CITIES.
UH, UH, SCOTTSDALE, GILBERT, PEORIA, GLENDALE, RECENTLY CORNFIELD NAVAJO NATION, INCLUDING THE HIGHWAYS.
SO, UM, UH, I HAD SOME OTHER STATUTES, UH, TO READ, BUT I DON'T NEED THEM.
MR. CITY ATTORNEY TOOK CARE OF THAT FOR ME.
KAYLA WATSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA BECK.
MY NAME'S KAYLA WATSON, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF, UM, CAMP VERDE.
AND THAT IS, UM, THANKS TO, UH, THE JOB THAT I HAVE WORKED HERE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA FOR EIGHT PLUS YEARS NOW.
UM, SEDONA AT T V IS A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS WHERE THE PREVIOUS AND CURRENT OWNERS FROM THE TIME I'VE STARTED, HAVE TREATED MYSELF AND ALL OF OUR STAFF AS NOTHING LESS THAN FAMILY.
SEDONA AT T V HAS CONTRIBUTED TO MY GROWTH IN LIFE AS WELL AS MY PERSONAL FAMILY, AND HAS ALLOWED ME TO BECOME A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER AS A SINGLE WOMAN WITHIN THE VERDE VALLEY.
HAD I BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD THE HOME IN THE SEDONA AREA, I WOULD HAVE HAPPILY BEEN A SEDONA RESIDENT WITH AN O H V THAT I HAD IN MY OWN GARAGE.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT THE CASE FOR ME.
AS I CONTINUE TO WATCH THE GROWTH OF OUR STAFF AND THEIR FAMILIES BEING ABLE TO COMPLETE MANY OF THESE SAME GOALS AND OUTFITTERS AS WELL AS ALL OF THEIR STAFF THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION ARE, UM, JUST AS MUCH PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AS THE RESIDENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT LIVE ALONG THE STREETS OF MORGAN ROAD AND DRY CREEK ROAD.
WE SPEND A GREAT AMOUNT OF TIME CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY OF SEDONA THROUGH SHOPPING, SUPPORTING LOCAL RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, AND MORE.
WE WORK HARD TO EDUCATE BOTH LOCALS AND TRAVELERS OF SAFE RECREATION IN THIS AREA.
AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH ROCK AND PUSH TREAD LIGHTLY PRINCIPLES EACH AND EVERY DAY.
WE HAVE DONE AN, AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF WORK TO CREATE SOLID POLICIES IN, IN SAFETY, IN ORDER TO CREATE MEMOR, OR, SORRY, MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES.
WE'RE NOT ONLY AN COMMUNITY OF OHV RIDER, WE ARE ALSO A COMMUNITY OF HIKERS, HORSEBACK RIDERS, MOUNTAIN BIKERS, CAMPERS AND MORE.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT OHVS CAN BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUT MANY JUST HAVE A MISUNDERSTANDING AND OBVIOUS DISLIKED FOR HOW OUR BUSINESS OPERATES, AND IT'S OFTEN MISCONSTRUED THE NUMBER OF EFFORTS THAT WE PUT IN TO MAKE THIS A FUN AND SAFE EXPERIENCE FOR LOCALS.
VISITORS ALIKE SEEMS TO GO UNNOTICED.
GETTING OHVS OFF THE CITY STREETS IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT RESOLVES AROUND THE SAFETY.
THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOTHING BUT SINGLE OUT LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE JOY THEY BRING TO SO MANY.
MY NAME IS SANDRA BECK, AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
AND I AM SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, I'VE HAD MANY INSTANCES ON, ESPECIALLY ON DRY CREEK ROAD, WHERE THEY HAVE PASSED, UH, IN THE OHVS HAVE PASSED, UH, UNSAFELY.
I RECOGNIZE THAT THE COMPANIES ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO TEACH THE RENTERS, UH, THE SAFETY PROTOCOLS AND THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, ONCE THEY LEAVE THE CONFINES OF THE RENTAL AGENCY, THEY DON'T ALWAYS FOLLOW WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TAUGHT.
AND I'VE BEEN ON, UH, 1 52 C AND PRACTICALLY BEEN HAD A HEAD ON COLLISION AS I'VE COME AROUND A CORNER OR A CURVE IN THE ROAD.
AND THEY'VE BEEN ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD SPEEDING.
AND I THINK THEY'RE VERY DANGEROUS.
AND I THINK THAT BANNING THEM FROM THE PUBLIC FREEWAYS ARE THE THREES
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IS A GOOD IDEA.UH, DAN KALER, FOLLOWED BY JAMES CUSTER.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I RECENTLY TOOK OVER THE OPERATION AT OUTBACK ATV ON A VERY SHORT TIME.
UM, I'VE SEEN SOME AMAZING COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITIZENS, THE LOCAL BUSINESSES, THE, THE GROUP THAT WAS SPEAKING EARLIER.
UM, BUT I REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN AS MUCH SUPPORT FROM THE CITY.
UM, I SEE THAT THIS BAN HAS ALREADY HAD A DIRECT INFLUENCE ON LAWFUL TRADE AND COMMERCE IN THE CITY FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES, INCLUDING A WOMAN-OWNED BUSINESS.
UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE CITY AND THE PUBLIC ARE NOW VERY AWARE OF THE STRONG INTEREST OF GOLDWATER INSTITUTE AND THE BLUE RIBBON COALITION.
UM, I ALSO HEARD THAT THE LEAGUES OF CITIES AND TOWNS IN ARIZONA DECLINED TO SUPPORT, SUPPORT THE CITY OF SEDONA IN THIS MATTER.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THAT WOULD BE.
UM, SEEMS HERE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE DATA, YOU HAVE SAFETY DATA.
I'M SURE THAT THE POLICE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, EMERGENCY SERVICES, ALL KEEP RECORDS.
SO WHY AREN'T YOU USING THAT DATA? IT SHOULD BE PRETTY SIMPLE.
IF THERE'S A SAFETY PROBLEM, YOU WOULD HAVE FIRSTHAND LOCAL GEOGRAPHICAL KNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD SPAWN, SPAWN WOULD, WOULD PREEMPT THIS, UH, ORDINANCE.
I'VE ALSO GOT SOME INFORMATION, UNLIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY, KURT, THIS IS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
HE STATES HERE THAT THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE SOMETHING STICK IS THAT WE NEED TO SHOW THAT THERE'S A TIE TO PUBLIC SAFETY DETERMINED.
SO THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEEN A WITCH HUNT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
WE'VE BEEN WILLING AND MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK ON THESE ISSUES THAT AFFECT THINGS.
BUT IT SEEMS THAT EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING COMES UP AND IT GETS FIZZLED OUT INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
AND NEVER ANYTHING GETS DONE, IT SEEMS AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A VERY SHORT TIME.
I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE MUFFLERS WITH THE GROUP COMING OVER TO MY BUSINESS.
IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR FROM ALL OF THEM, AND IT WAS GREAT TO ACTUALLY MAYBE FIND A MEETING POINT ON HOW TO GIVE A LITTLE TAKE A LITTLE.
JAMES CUSTER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SHERRY RICHARDS.
HELLO, MY NAME IS JAMES CUSTER.
I REPRESENT SEDONA ATV AND RED ROCK ATV.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S VERY POOR PLANNING ON THE COUNCIL TO ONLY GIVE US TWO MINUTES FOR SOMETHING THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO DEFEND THE LIVELIHOOD OF CURRENTLY 38 EMPLOYEES, UH, THAT MAKE THEIR LIVING IN SEDONA, UH, WORK IN SEDONA.
UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR SAFETY, UM, IN WHICH EVERYONE HAS HAS SAID THERE, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY, UM, ANY STUDIES.
I'VE BEEN HERE, UH, OPERATING A LEGAL BUSINESS, A LEGAL STATE OWNED BUSINESS FOR SEVEN YEARS.
AND, UH, PART OF THE, PART OF THE LAST STUDY, UM, THAT TOOK A YEAR AND A HALF TO, TO GET THROUGH, UH, WHICH STATED THAT, THAT THERE, THERE WAS NO WAY THAT, UH, THEY CAN, THEY CAN BAN OHVS.
AND NOW HERE WE ARE TRYING TO, TRYING TO BAN THEM FOR SOMETHING I THINK THAT THE CITY IS, IS, IS DEFINITELY OVERSTEPPING THEIR BOUNDS, UM, WHEN WE KNOW THAT THE ISSUE IS NOT SAFETY.
SO, UM, I I JUST, I REALLY THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN GET INTO EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WE KNOW IS NOT CORRECT.
I, I I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, EVERYBODY SHOULD GET A CHANCE TO READ THE GOLDWATER LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO THE CITY.
UM, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE, UH, THAT THAT WILL BACK US AND I, I SAY US, I MEAN, I MEAN THE, THE, THE LOCAL BUSINESSES, UM, WITH, UH, WITH LAWSUITS THAT, THAT THE CITY, UNFORTUNATELY, WILL BE SPENDING DOLLARS.
AND I SAY OUR DOLLARS, THE CITY TELLS ME THAT IT'S THEIR DOLLARS.
BUT, UH, I, I'VE BEEN TOLD NUMEROUS TIMES THAT, UM, THEY HAVE, UH, PLENTY OF FUNDING TO SUPPORT, UH, THIS LEGAL BATTLE.
AND I ASSURE YOU THAT, UM, THEY DON'T BECAUSE, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S MONEY THAT'S, THAT'S A WASTE OF TIME.
UM, I THINK THAT, UH, I THINK WHAT THE CITY'S TRYING TO DO IS UNETHICAL.
IT'S UNLAWFUL, AND IT'S A RECKLESS USE OF, OF CITY FUNDING.
AND IT'S, IT'S VERY UNSUBSTANTIATED BASED ON THE, UH, BASED ON THE SAFETY.
SHERRY RICHARDS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARCUS, UH, VALENZUELA.
HI, UH, MY NAME IS SHERRY RICHARDS AND I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT.
AND IN FACT, I LIVE AT THE BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD, LIKE RIGHT THERE.
SO I HAVE A FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE OF ALL OF THE ISSUES.
I DON'T FEEL FULLY QUAL QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY COMPONENT OF ALL OF THIS.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SPOKE DURING THE LAST, UH, THING, BUT I WASN'T REALLY AWARE OF LIKE, HOW THEY LINKED TOGETHER.
BUT I DO JUST WANNA COMMENT THAT THEY'RE, THAT I WANNA MAKE A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT THE WHOLE ATV THING TO ME IS KIND OF LIKE SMOKING.
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SMOKING.THE PEOPLE WHO SMOKE LOVE TO SMOKE, AND IT DOESN'T BOTHER THEM.
AND THEY LIKE TO BE TOGETHER AND IT DOESN'T BOTHER THEM.
BUT THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T SMOKE REALLY CAN'T STAND IT.
AND, AND WE ARE IN THIS KIND OF A THING.
AND I KNOW THAT THE COLLABORATIVE THEY DID, YOU KNOW, I WAS ONE OF THE 43 THAT THEY TALKED TO.
THEY WERE VERY RECEPTIVE TO EVERYTHING THAT I HAD TO SAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN POTENTIALLY IS A PLACE WHERE ALL OF THE ATVS COULD GO, WHERE THEY COULD SMOKE TOGETHER.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT COULD HAPPEN.
I, I HOPE MY COMMENTS ARE OKAY HERE.
IT'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH IN BROKEN ARROW.
I HOPE WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT TRAILERING, CUZ THERE'S NO ROOM IN THAT PARKING LOT.
UH, MARCUS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SAVANNAH HAR HOLLIS.
UM, AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS AT AN OHV SHOP, OHV SHOULD NOT BE BANNED FROM THE STREETS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS WHY I HOLD THIS VIEW, INCLUDING HOW A BAN ON OHVS CAN NEGATIVELY IMPACT LOCAL BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THOSE WHO WORK IN THE OHV INDUSTRY.
FIRSTLY, OHVS ARE NOT INHERENTLY DANGEROUS VEHICLES.
IN FACT, THEY CAN BE A SAFE AND ENJOYABLE WAY TO TRAVEL ON THE ROAD IF OPERATED RESPONSIBLY.
MANY OHVS ARE EQUIPPED WITH SAFETY FEATURES SUCH AS HEADLIGHTS AND TAILLIGHTS TO MAKE THEM MORE VISIBLE TO OTHER DRIVERS.
ADDITIONALLY, MOST STATES REQUIRE OHV DRIVER STAFFED LICENSE AND INSURANCE, WHICH HELPS TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE DRIVING SAFELY AND RESPONSIBLY.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OHVS ARE NOT THE ONLY VEHICLES THAT CAN BE DANGEROUS ON THE ROADS, CARS, TRUCKS AND MOTORCYCLES CAN ALL BE INVOLVED IN ACCIDENTS THAT RESULT IN SERIOUS INJURIES OR EVEN DEATH.
BANNING OGS FROM THE STREETS WOULD NOT NECESSARILY MAKE THE ROAD SAFER IF OTHER VEHICLES ARE STILL ALLOWED TO OPERATE.
OF COURSE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE SOME RISK ASSOCIATED WITH DRIVING OHVS ON THE STREETS.
IT IS IMPORTANT FOR DRIVERS TO WEAR APPROPRIATE SAFETY GEAR, SUCH AS HELMETS, PROTECTIVE CLOTHING, AND OBEY TRAFFIC LAWS AND REGULATIONS.
ADDITIONALLY, CITIES CAN TAKE STEPS TO MAKE THE STREETS SAFER FOR ALL DRIVERS, INCLUDING OHVS BY IMPROVING ROAD CONDITIONS AND ADDING SAFETY FEATURES SUCH AS SPEED BUMPS OR TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
OHVS ARE OFTEN USED FOR WORK PUR WORK PURPOSES SUCH AS FARMING, LANDSCAPING, AND CONSTRUCTION.
THESE INDUSTRIES ARE OFTEN INTERTWINED WITH THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
AND ABANDON ON OHVS COULD DISRUPT THE ABILITY OF BUSINESSES IN THESE INDUSTRIES TO OPERATE EFFICIENTLY.
THIS COULD LEAD TO A DECLINE IN JOB OPPORTUNITIES AND REDUCE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
OHVS ARE OFTEN USED FOR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS OFF-ROADING OR EXPLORING LOCAL TRAILS.
THESE ACTIVITIES CAN ATTRACT TOURISTS AND VISITORS TO THE AREA WHICH CAN HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON LOCAL BUSINESSES.
OHVS CAN HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE TAX PAY TO THE CITY, WHICH FUNDS PUBLIC PLACES AND OTHER FACILITIES.
OHVS GENER GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE CITY IN THE FORM OF TAXES AND FEES.
IF THE USE OF OHVS IS BANNED, THIS REVENUE STREAM WILL BE LOST, AND THE CITY MAY HAVE TO FIND ALTERNATIVE SOURCES OF FUNDING TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC PLACES IN OTHER FACILITIES.
THIS COULD RESULT IN HIGHER TAXES FOR RESIDENTS OR, THANK YOU.
SAVANNAH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DAVE.
I LIVE IN RIM ROCK AND I'M EMPLOYED BY SEDONA ATV RENTALS.
UH, I'VE WORKED AT MANY DIFFERENT PLACES IN SEDONA IN THE SIX YEARS THAT I HAVE LIVED IN THE AREA.
AND SEDONA ATV IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN ABLE TO PAY ME A LIVABLE WAGE.
IF THIS ORDINANCE WERE TO PASS, MANY EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE THE SAME PRIVILEGE OF OF MAKING A LIVABLE WAGE WOULD HAVE THEIR HOURS CUT SIGNIFICANTLY, OR BE LET GO COMPLETELY.
THIS IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT OUR ABILITY TO SEND VISITORS OUT ON OUR VEHICLES WOULD BE INHIBITED AND THEREFORE WOULD DRASTICALLY AFFECT OUR REVENUE AND OUR NEED FOR STAFF NEGATIVELY.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH ARE YOUNG, BUT HAVE FAMILIES TO SUPPORT AND OR HAVE RECENTLY BEEN ABLE TO PURCHASE THEIR OWN HOMES, WHICH MANY JOBS IN THE AREA WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FUND WITH THE WAGES THEY PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES.
WE WANNA WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WE ARE VERY MUCH ALSO A PART OF.
SO FAR, THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS SPEAKING FOR THIS ORDINANCE ARE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE VEHICLES BEING A NUISANCE TO THEM AND FIGHTING TO RID THEM ALL TOGETHER.
I HAVE SEEN AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF EFFORT ON OUR END TO COEXIST AND COMPROMISE.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE SEDONAS VISITORS WITH THE ABILITY TO THOROUGHLY ENJOY SEDONAS BEAUTY AND MAKE MEMORIES THAT THEY WILL CHERISH FOREVER.
WE DO CARE ABOUT PRESERVING SEDONA BECAUSE WITHOUT IT, SO MANY GREAT EXPERIENCES IN THIS TOWN WOULD BE LOST.
AND WE VALUE SAFE O H B OPERATIONS AND PROVIDER COM CUSTOMERS WITH THE EDUCATION TO DO SO.
DAVE SATWA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY UH KAY.
DAVE, YOU KNOW THE DRILL NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
GOOD EVENING, DAVE SCHWART OUT.
I HAVE, UH, OPERATED AN OFF-ROAD BUSINESS HERE FOR 20 YEARS.
STARTING IN 2016, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO MITIGATE THE
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IMPACT OF THE RO OFF-ROAD BUSINESS IN THE SEDONA AREA.BY 2017, MOST OF THAT I IDEAS HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD BY THE COMMUNITY TO THE CITY.
IN EVERY CASE, THE CITY REJECTED THESE IDEAS AS NOT SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD PAY FOR OR EVEN CONSIDER.
WE WASTED OUR TIME FROM 2016 TO 2019, HAVING MEETINGS WITH THE CITY.
FAST FORWARD TODAY AND THE CITY HAS PUT FORTH AN UNLAWFUL ORDINANCE IN A VERY NEGLIGENT MANNER, COSTING THE COMPANY'S MONEY, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN USED TO MITIGATE THE EFFECT OF THE OFF-ROAD BUSINESS IMPACT ON THE CITY AND THE FOREST.
ONCE AGAIN, THE CITY CHOOSES TO NOT WORK WITH THE COMPANIES, BUT TO TRY TO PASS AN UNLAWFUL ORDINANCE.
WHEN THE CITY REALIZES THE IN, WHEN WILL THE CITY REALIZE THAT THE INDUSTRY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY SINCE 2016 WITH NO HELP FROM THE CITY? AT THIS POINT, THE COMPANIES HAVE REAL DAMAGES CAUSED BY NEGLIGENT MISINFORMATION.
THAT CITY HAS BEEN TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT SAFETY, WITH NO SAFETY STUDY OR CORROBORATION THAT CORROBORATES YOUR MISGUIDED CLAIMS. WHILE THE COMPANIES ARE STILL WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY, THE CITY MUST TAKE A NEW ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE TOURIST RELATED COMPANIES AND WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY AND NOT PROPOSE UNLAWFUL SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE TURNED THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS AGAINST THE COMPANIES.
THE CITY HAS DONE THIS ALL BY THEMSELVES, CAUSING IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO THE COMPANIES SINCE THE SEDONA.
OKAY, LAURIE, YOUR NEXT, FOLLOWED BY JOHN MARTINEZ.
AND BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR TIME CUT, I'M GONNA CUT MY COMMENTS, BUT I WILL BE PROVIDING THE COUNCIL WITH SOME DATA BECAUSE DATA TAKES A LONG TIME TO READ.
BUT THE THING I REALLY WANNA DISCUSS IS THE SAFETY ISSUE AND DATA.
SO, MAYOR JLO, YOU SAID IN A RECENT MEETING, WE DON'T NEED THE ACCIDENT DATA.
JUST BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN NO ACCIDENT IN THE CITY LIMITS THAT I KNOW OF, DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE STILL SAFE.
YOU KNOW FULL WELL FROM YOUR CLASSES, AN ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY AND YOUR CAREER.
IS IT AN ACCIDENT INVESTIGATOR THAT DATA IS KING? DATA PROVIDES PATTERN AND HISTORY.
WHY DO THE NT NHTSA AND A DOT KEEP SUCH COMPLICATED RECORDS ON ACCIDENTS? IF DATA DOESN'T MATTER, IT'S TO ESTABLISH PATTERN AND HISTORY OF ACCIDENTS WHERE THEY OCCUR, TIME OF DAY, ROAD CONDITIONS, WEATHER CONDITIONS, SPEED CONDITIONS, DRUNK DRIVING.
THERE IS NO PATTERN AND NO HISTORY THAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR IN THE CITY OF SEDONA OR IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
THAT O H V TIRE FAILURE IS A HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERN AND PROBLEM.
WHEN DATA AND HISTORY PATTERN IS OVERWHELMING, THEN YOU TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.
FOR EXAMPLE, WRONG WAY DRIVERS.
IN ARIZONA, THERE IS A DATA PATTERN.
THERE IS A DATA HISTORY, THERE ARE HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERNS.
AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE BE, ARE BEING SPENT TO MITIGATE WRONG WAY DRIVERS IN ARIZONA.
SO FAR, THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT BROUGHT ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO THE DISCUSSION THAT TIRES ON O H V OPERATED VEHICLES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS ARE FAILING AND CAUSING ACCIDENTS.
AM I, THE REST OF MY COMMENTS WILL BE, UH, SUBMITTED WITH THE TRAFFIC DATA.
THAT'S, THAT'LL BE APPRECIATED.
UH, MS. WEIS, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINEZ AND I LIVE HERE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I USED TO BE ON COUNCIL, UM, FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS.
AND THIS SUBJECT, THE VERY FIRST DAY I APPEARED ON COUNCIL WAS OH, FEES.
BUT THE PRIMARY THING WAS NOT TO DO WITH SAFETY BECAUSE THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF COUNCIL WITH REGARDS TO A COMMUNITY IS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY, HEALTH, UH, HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
BUT THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WITH, OH, FEES WAS THE DESTRUCTION OF THE US FOREST LAND AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETIES.
I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO MY HOME.
I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF 89 A AND THOSE SUCKERS ARE DRIVING BY ON 89 AT AN ACCELERATED SPEED TO GET TO 5 25 OR WHAT ELSE IS DOWN THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING WITH WHEN YOU'RE LIVING NEAR THERE.
BUT THE, THE THING OF IT IS, IS THAT OHVS ARE PROBABLY NO WORSE THAN A LOT OF DRIVERS THAT
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COME OUTTA STATE NOW.THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE OUR ROADS.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE THE ROUNDABOUTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY P**S A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF.
IT'S, THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE.
AND WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THIS IS A, UH, A BACKEND APPROACH TO TRY AND GET OHVS OFF FOREST LAND BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT IS.
AND I BELIEVE A LOT OF THESE INNOVATIVE HV OWNERS AND OHV OWNERS WILL ADJUST THEIR, THEIR METHODS OF, OF EQUIPPING, EQUIPPING THE OHVS AND ATVS.
AND THE POSSIBILITY BE IS MR. MR. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A JEEP.
AND ON THOSE TV COMMERCIALS, THOSE JEEPS ARE GOING THROUGH THE FOREST, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH STREAMS AND WHATEVER.
THEY COULD PUT JEEP TIRES ON THOSE OHVS AND ATVS.
AND ONE LAST REALLY QUICK NOPE, IS THAT NOPE, YOU HELPED US PUT UP FLAGS, ATVS, IF YOU ELIMINATE THAT, WE CAN'T DO FLAGS ANYMORE.
THANK YOU, JOHN RICHARD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARK TIMBROOK.
IF ANYBODY ELSE WISH WISHES TO, UH, TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD.
NOW, BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, I'M HERE TO STAND IN FAVOR OF THIS ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THE, THE SAFETY OF BOTH THE, UH, CITIZENS OF SEDONA AND OUR REALLY, REALLY SPECIAL VISITORS THAT COME HERE TO ENJOY OUR ENVIRONMENT.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND IS THAT THESE VEHICLES ARE NOT ROADWORTHY.
SO NO MATTER HOW YOU FLIP IT, WHO, WHOEVER DRIVES IT, IF THEY GET A T-BONE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SERIOUS ACCIDENTS.
I ALMOST GOT IN AN ACCIDENT PULLING OFF A ROTOR UNDER HERE WITH AN ATV CUTTING ME OFF.
AND ALLS I CAN THINK OF IS, OH, I'M GONNA BE THE ACCIDENT FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT DURING THIS MEETING,
BUT LOOK, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, IS THAT YOU'RE TAKING A PROACTIVE STANCE TO PROTECT OUR SAFETY.
WHERE I GREW UP IN HURAN, OHIO, WE HAD A LITTLE TRAIN THAT WOULD GO FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS THAT WOULD STOP TRAFFIC AND CUT OUR TOWN AND A HALF.
WE HAD THIS NICE LITTLE SORT OF HILL THAT WE COULD GO UNDER.
WE DEBATED ABOUT IT, DEBATED ABOUT IT, DEBATED ABOUT IT.
AND UNTIL A COUPLE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS DECIDED TO GO UP AND OVER THAT AND STALLED AT THE, ON THE TRAIN TRACKS, AND FOUR OF THEM DIED UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL FINALLY DID SOMETHING THE VERY NEXT TIME TO PUT THAT UNDERPASS AND PROTECT THE, THE CITIZENS.
MY HIGH SCHOOL SCHOOL MATE WAS KILLED IN THAT ACCIDENT BECAUSE WE DID NOT TAKE PROACTIVE STANCE TO BE SAFELY CONSIDERING THE ORDINANCES IT TOOK TO DO THAT.
SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
I WOULD CERTAINLY SUGGEST MAKE SURE THE NEXT DRAFT IS MUCH TIGHTER, HAS ALL THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES TAKEN.
BUT I WILL FORWARD MY APPROVAL ON THAT AS WELL.
MARK TIMBROOK, AND JOANNE, YOU HAVE ONE MORE? OKAY.
HI, NOW MY NAME'S MARK TIMBROOK AND I, UH, LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED O H V ORDINANCE.
I BELIEVE THIS IS ORDINANCES APPROPRIATE USE OF LOCAL REGULATION TO MAKE THE ROADS SAFE FOR THOSE THAT USE THEM.
THANKS TO THE MAYOR AND THE REST OF COUNCIL FOR LISTENING TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND, UH, VERIFYING THAT OHVS ARE, UH, USED AS SPECIFICALLY NOTED BY THE MANUFACTURERS.
I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE BAN OF THE USE OF THE OHVS, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY VALUES AND WILL MAINTAIN A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT, UH, IN OR AROUND SEDONA.
UH, TALKING ABOUT, UH, UH, EXPERIENCES WITH OHVS, I WANTED TO MENTION I HAD AN INTERACTION, UH, IN SEDONA YESTERDAY, DRIVING NORTH ON SOLDIERS PASS ROAD.
AND THERE WAS A CONVOY OF A DOZEN OHVS THAT TURNED LEFT OUT OF, UH, POSSE GROUNDS.
THE FIRST ONE STOPPED, THE THE OTHERS DID NOT.
UH, SO IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WHEN PEOPLE GET INTO A VEHICLE THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IN A TOWN THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH, THEY MAY DRIVE UNSAFELY.
SO, IN SPITE OF THIS ABER RATTLING OF THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE, PLEASE HOLD FIRM AND PASS THIS ORDINANCE, UH, AND FIGHT THIS BLIGHT ON SEDONA.
WHILE THE, THE GOLDWATER WEBSITE SAYS, THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE ACCOMPLISHES REAL RESULTS FOR LIBERTY BY WORKING IN THE STATE COURTS, LEGISLATURES, AND COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE, TO ADVANCE AND DEFEND AND STRENGTHEN THE FREEDOM GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTIONS IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE 50 STATES.
WHAT THEY SEEM TO WANNA DO IS INFLICT THEIR VIEW OF FREEDOM, UH, ON THINGS LIKE STR AND OHVS ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES, ADVANCING THEIR GOALS FOR THEIR CORPORATE SPONSORS.
LOCAL ACTIONS WILL DEFEAT THEM.
LORI STEWART, AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE.
I'M A LOCAL REAL ESTATE AGENT.
I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK.
I DO NOT BENEFIT AT ALL FR FROM THIS ONE WAY
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OR THE OTHER.I DON'T OWN AN ATV OR A COMPANY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I DO, I THINK THE OBVIOUS QUESTION IS, IF IT'S STRICTLY ABOUT SAFETY AND THE TIRES ON THE ROAD, THEN WHY ISN'T THAT A FEDERAL ISSUE OR A STATE ISSUE? WHY IS THIS JUST A CITY OF SEDONA ISSUE? I THINK THAT IT'S JUST THE CITY'S WAY OF SKIRTING AROUND THE FACT THAT THEY WANNA GET RID OF 'EM AND, YOU KNOW, GET 'EM OFF THE HIGHWAYS AND THE NOISE AND THE, THE DUST AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THEM AS A NUISANCE.
I DON'T LIVE AT BEAR MOUNTAIN.
YOU KNOW, STEPPING BACK A STEP FROM THOSE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS AS A WHOLE, I DON'T SEE IT BEING A BIG NUISANCE.
UM, I DO THINK THAT IT'LL IMPACT TOURISM.
TOURISM COMES IN MANY DIFFERENT FASHIONS.
YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY CAN HIKE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE PHYSICAL CAPABILITY.
YOU'RE MAYBE TOO OLD OR YOU'VE PHYSICAL OR YOU HAVE KIDS.
THIS IS A FUN THING TO DO HERE.
AND SEDONA DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH.
ALL, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR, IT'S TOO COLD TO SWIM.
AND SO YOU'RE DOWN TO WHAT IF YOU DON'T HIKE? WHAT IS THERE TO DO HERE? I THINK THAT THIS IS A MAJOR TOURISM AVENUE.
THESE PEOPLE SLEEP, YOU KNOW, STAY IN OUR HOTELS.
THEY EAT AT OUR RESTAURANTS, THEY GO TO OUR LITTLE, YOU KNOW, T-SHIRT SHOPS.
AND IT JUST, IT, IT IMPACTS EVERYTHING ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UM, ALSO REGARDING THE NOISE ORDINANCE, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS RECENTLY WAS IN MOAB, UTAH, WHERE AT 10, 11 O'CLOCK, THEY'RE JUST LIKE, UP AND DOWN THE HIGHWAY.
OUR, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE LITTLE ATV SHOPS, THEY CLOSE UP AT 5:00 PM YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE YOUR RIG BACK BY FIVE.
YOU DON'T SEE 'EM OUT AT NIGHT LIKE THAT RACING AROUND.
IT'S JUST, WE, WE HAVE A QUIET LITTLE TOWN.
OUR STREETS CLOSE UP AT NINE AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE AS A LOCAL, SOMEBODY BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
I DON'T S I I SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU LIVED AT BEAR MOUNTAIN, I COULD SEE WHY YOU'D BE AGGRAVATED.
BUT THOSE PEOPLE BOUGHT A HOUSE ON A DIRT ROAD AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE GIG.
I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPACTS EVERYBODY LIKE IT DOES, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PEOPLE.
WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY NINA BOLO.
I LIVE IN COTTONWOOD AND I DO LO WORK FOR ONE OF THE LOCAL ATV COMPANIES, BUT THAT DOES NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYTHING.
I LIVED IN THE AREA FOR AT LEAST, LEAST 12 YEARS.
I LIVED IN THE AREA FOR AT LEAST 12 YEARS BEFORE EVEN WORKING AT THE COMPANY.
AND ALTHOUGH THEY ARE AN ISSUE, I WANNA STRESS TO EVERYONE AS A MECHANIC AT ONE OF THE PLACES THEY ARE SAFE.
AND THEY ARE RATED FOR OFF-ROADING CORRECT, BUT THEY'RE RATED TO CRASH.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE CRASH ON THE HIGHWAY, AND THAT IS DUE TO THEIR OWN NEGLIGENCE THAT ARE PERFECTLY FINE AFTER THE FACT.
WE'VE MADE SURE THEY GUILT WHERE YOU GUYS ASK US AS WELL AS YOU LOCALS JUST WANT IT TO BE KNOWN THAT THE COMPANIES ARE DOING THEIR BEST.
AND WE ARE ALWAYS WHATEVER NEW ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER WE ADHERE TO IT.
ALTHOUGH I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS ONE, THIS ONE DOES OVERSTEP YOUR GUYS' BOUNDS.
AND WE ARE ALREADY DOING EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED.
NINA? UH, I'LL, I'LL BE BRIEF.
UM, I AM A PROUD MEMBER OF ROCK, AND I ALSO, UH, PARTAKE IN THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS ORDINANCE, I WON'T GO INTO THE MULTIPLE REASONS WHY, BUT, UH, 30 YEARS IN THE OFF-ROAD INDUSTRY, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS ORDINANCE, UH, CAN SURVIVE AS WRITTEN.
UM, I THINK THERE WERE MAINLY LEGAL HOLES IN IT.
UM, OUR BEST WAY FORWARD, IT IS TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK TOGETHER, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE OHV COMPANIES HAVE BEEN ASSERTING.
AND IT, IT FEELS VERY ONE-SIDED AT THIS POINT, HONESTLY.
UM, BEING SOMEWHAT IN THE MIDDLE, UM, THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT MUFFLERS.
UH, THE, THE, I CAN GIVE YOU THE DECIBELS IF YOU WANNA KNOW HOW DECIBELS WORK.
I'M NOT GONNA
UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, DEPUTY JOHNSON HA HAS MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THE EFFORTS THAT THEY HAVE MADE IN EDUCATING THEIR GUESTS, THEY HAVE SEEN THE DIFFERENCES OUT THERE ON THE TRAILS.
UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, UM, AS SOMEONE WHOSE BUSINESS IS CONGRUENT, IS THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
SO WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT NOISE.
HOW ABOUT THE NOISE OF TRAILERS, UM, DRIVING DOWN THE ROADS AND GETTING STUCK AND TRYING TO TURN AROUND.
LOOKING AT BROKEN ARROW OVER HERE, UM, 5 25.
UM, WE HAVE BECKY AND DEANNA THAT LIVE OUT THERE AND A NUMBER OF OTHER RESIDENTS.
UM, AND THE, THE TUBA TOOTHPASTE GETS SQUEEZED.
I THINK THESE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED FAR MORE.
I KNOW THAT'S OUTSIDE OF STATE LIMITS.
IF YOU ARE STRICTLY CONCERNED WITH WHAT'S INSIDE CITY
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LIMITS, THEN THAT'S FINE.UM, BUT THE, THE TUBE OF TOOTHPASTE GETS SQUEEZED AND IT'S GONNA SHOW UP IN UGLY WAYS IN OTHER PLACES.
SO, UM, PLEASE CONSIDER EVERYTHING WITHOUT, BEFORE BROAD, BROAD STROKES ARE MADE.
THAT WILL CONCLUDE OUR PUBLIC, UH, OUTREACH AND SPEAKING.
UH, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND I, WHEN I ASK KURT A COUPLE THINGS, UH, WE DID YOU, I GUESS YOU DID NOT PUT THE CRASH ACCIDENT DATA THAT I GAVE YOU TODAY.
UH, THERE IS, UH, ARIZONA STATE DATA ON, ON CRASH, ON, ON.
IS THAT NOT READY FOR DIFFERENT ACCIDENT? NO, I HAD, I HADN'T LOOKED AT IT OR VERIFIED THE SOURCE OR ITS MEANINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE DO HA WE DO HAVE SOME DATA, BUT WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S READY TO RELEASE THAT, UH, WE, WE, I HAVE SOME STATEWIDE DATA.
IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE ADOT, UH, WEBSITE, BUT UNTIL WE CAN, UNTIL HE'S READY FOR IT TO BE PUBLISHED.
UH, WELL, AND WE GIVE IT TO COUNCIL, BUT THE, THE DATA IS THERE.
I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ADDRESS IT, BUT IT'S SUBSTANTIAL DATA.
UH, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS.
FORD, JONATHAN, UH, TAYLOR TALKED ABOUT THE TIRES.
EVERYBODY'S MAKING A GOOD ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE TIRES OUT.
UH, WHEN I WENT LOOKING AT TIRES A COUPLE, ALMOST A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, EVERY O H V THAT I LOOKED AT HAD EMBOSSED, NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE, EVERY ONE OF THEM.
OKAY? SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING, WHERE THAT THE COMPANIES ARE TRYING TO CHANGE ALL THE TIRES.
AND ACCORDING TO THE TIRE MANUFACTURERS AND ALL THOSE, UH, GROUPS, THERE ARE NO TIRES MANUFACTURED FOR TWO SURFACES OFF ROAD AND O UH, ON, UH, PAVED ROADS.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT TODAY.
THAT'S, IT STARTED WITH, UH, TIRES AND IT, IT, IT GREW AND GREW AND GREW.
WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT THE ISSUES OF WHAT IS NOT SAFE ON OHVS, WHICH IS THEY DON'T HAVE ANTI-LOCK BRAKES.
SO IN A, UH, WET PAVEMENT OR A LIGHT RAIN, IF THEY GO TO HIT THE BRAKES, THEY, THEY DON'T RESPOND LIKE A REGULAR SEDAN, OKAY? THEY DON'T HAVE CRUMPLE ZONES AND THEY DON'T HAVE AIRBAGS.
SO, UM, AND NOW I'VE ASKED MANY, MANY PEOPLE, UH, I LISTENED TO EVERYBODY HERE TODAY.
I HAVE YET TO HEAR ONE PERSON SAY, OH, SCOTT, YOU'RE WRONG.
I ATTENDED A MEETING, ALMOST WAS TWO WEEKS AGO YESTERDAY.
WE HAD ALMOST ALL THE, IF NOT ALL, OF THE O H V COMPANIES HERE.
AND WE DISCUSSED THAT IT WAS A CLOSED MEETING THAT WE HAD TO, TO, FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE, YOU KNOW, SHARE THEIR VIEWS AND OPINIONS.
AND I POSED THE SAME QUESTION.
AM I WRONG CUZ EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I GET IT.
THE ISSUES OF EMPLOYMENT, THE ISSUES OF ALL THAT IS VERY SERIOUS.
IT'S VERY CONCERNING, BUT SO IS AN ACCIDENT THAT COULD HAPPEN.
AND THE FACT THAT THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES, BY THE OWN, BY THE OWNERS AND THE MANUFACTURERS HAVE SAID THEY DON'T BELONG ON PAVED ROADS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
AND YET NOBODY HERE TODAY SAID, SCOTT, YOU'RE WRONG.
AND THEN SHOW ME WHERE I'M WRONG.
BUT YET NOBODY, AND I HAD THE, THE, ALL THE LOCAL OHV COMPANIES HERE IN THIS ROOM FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND 10 MINUTES.
AND NOT ONE PERSON WOULD SAY, YOU'RE WRONG.
NOR DID SOMEONE COME BACK TO ME A COUPLE DAYS LATER AND SAY, HERE'S THE DOCUMENTATION YOU'RE WRONG.
OKAY? SO THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME, UH, TO THE SPEAKER WHO SAID, OH, AND I THINK IT WAS JAMES WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES.
WELL, JAMES IS GONNA BE IN A MEETING WITH ME TOMORROW MORNING AT EIGHT 30 FOR AN HOUR, THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER OHV OWNERS, THE COMPANY, THE RENTAL COMPANIES WILL BE HERE IN THE VAULTY CONFERENCE ROOM TOMORROW IN A CLOSED MEETING TO TRY TO WORK TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT WE CAN COME, COME UP WITH.
BUT YET, YOU KNOW, HE HAS WAY MORE THAN TWO MINUTES TO, TO TALK WITH ME TOMORROW AND TO TALK TO ME TWO WEEKS AGO.
OH, THAT, YEAH, THAT WAS JAMES TO, UH, DAN WHO MENTIONED ABOUT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS.
UH, THEY DID NOT, UH, SHOW NO INTEREST.
I WAS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
THEY PUSHED THE ISSUE TO ADOT WHERE THEY FELT THERE WOULD BE BE MORE IMPACTFUL.
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SO PLEASE TRY TO KEEP THE, THE FACTS STRAIGHT.UH, I THINK THAT COVERS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAVE TO, TO ADDRESS AND NOW I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
AND IF ANYONE, UH, BRIAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TOUCH BASE.
UH, FIRST OFF, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE TONIGHT, THAT, UH, AT EIGHT 40, YOU'RE STILL HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY PASSIONATE, UM, IN, IN, IN AT LEAST ONE OF TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE THIS MANY PEOPLE HERE AND, AND HAVE AS MANY FOLKS, UH, THAT DID COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK.
UH, NO MATTER HOW YOU FELT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE ECHOING, UH, BRIEFLY WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID, WHAT IS A FACT IS THAT THERE ARE SIX MANUFACTURERS THAT ALL SAY THESE VEHICLES DO NOT BELONG ON PAVED ROADS.
AND THAT'S AN INDISPUTABLE FACT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST FOR ME, I DIDN'T KNOW WAS THE CASE AS RECENT AS FOUR TO SIX WEEKS AGO.
AND NOW THAT I KNOW THAT I CAN'T UNKNOW THAT, AND AS PART OF THIS BODY UP HERE, I DO FEEL RESPONSIBLE THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE PROPER, YOU KNOW, PRECAUTIONS TO PROTECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, WHETHER THE DRIVER IS KNOWING OR UNKNOWING OF THE UNSAFE NATURE OF AN O HV ON PAVED ROADS, I FEEL WE DO NEED TO TAKE ACTION.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF PUTTING BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S A DEFINITE CONCERN BY THE OHP OPERATORS THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
AND SO, UM, I, UH, YOU KNOW, I I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO BEING, UH, INVITED TO THE MEETING THIS MOR OR TOMORROW MORNING AT EIGHT 30 IN WHICH WE CAN, UH, TALK WITH, UH, THE LOCAL RENTAL COMPANIES.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT IN A MEETING WITH POLARIS, THEY DO NOT OPPOSE THE PRINCIPLE OF THIS ORDINANCE.
POLARIS DOES NOT OPPOSE THE BASIS FOR THIS ORDINANCE, BUT RATHER THEY ARE CONCERNED FOR THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY OF THE RENTAL COMPANIES IN TOWN.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ADMIRABLE ON THEIR PART, AND WE RESPECT THAT, AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE ITSELF GOES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CONCERN OVER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE DISCUSSED, AND I THINK THAT THOSE DESERVE, YOU KNOW, TO BE FULLY VETTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS WE'LL BE READY TO, UH, ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE WHEN IT COMES UP NEXT TIME.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE IN AN ABSOLUTE HURRY THAT 30 DAYS FROM NOW WE'RE TAKING ANOTHER, OR THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY VOTING.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATION GOES, ONE THING THAT I HOPE EVERYBODY HEARD AGAIN FROM MY COLLEAGUES IS WE'RE SHORT ON PATIENTS AND WE'RE SHORT ON TIME.
AND SIX TO 12 MONTHS DOESN'T SOUND GREAT RIGHT NOW TO ARRIVE AT SOME CONCRETE PROPOSALS COMING OUT OF THE COLLABORATIVE.
I HOPE THAT THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'LL BE HAVING, UH, BETWEEN CITI AND THE RENTAL COMPANIES AND POLARIS, UH, I HOPE THAT WE CAN ARRIVE AT SOME CONCRETE ACTIONS ON A MUCH MORE ACCELERATED BASIS.
AND IF, AND IF THE COLLABORATIVE WINDS UP BEING A PART OF THAT, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THERE IS A DEEP CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE CURB AND HAVING MONTHLY MEETINGS AND HOPING THAT IN SIX TO 12 MONTHS WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANT TO PRESENT.
WE ALL NEED TO ACT WITH URGENCY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD ONCE WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE OUR AYES DOTTED AND TS CROSSED.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE QUITE THERE YET.
UH, AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING WITH THE LOCAL RENTAL COMPANIES AND SEEING WHERE WE CAN COLLABORATE.
UH, COUNCIL DUNN, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY HARD TOPIC, UM, OF CONVERSATION EVEN, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY SORT OF STARTING OUT, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT EVERYONE WAS EXTREMELY CIVIL.
UM, YOU COULD ABSOLUTELY HEAR THE PASSION IN PEOPLE'S VOICES REGARDLESS OF WHICH SIDE YOU, YOU TAKE.
AND IT WAS LOVELY THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN HAVE A DISCOURSE.
UM, I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT, UM, COUNSELOR
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FOLTZ HAS TO SAY.I NEVER SAW THIS ORDINANCE AS, HEY, LET'S GET RID OF OHVS, WHICH I HEARD REPEATED IN DIFFERENT WORDS MORE THAN ONCE.
UM, FOR SURE, PEOPLE LIKE TO COME HERE AND GO OUT ONTO THE TRAILS IN THE, IN THE FOREST AND, YOU KNOW, RIDE AROUND AND LOOK.
AND WE WON'T TALK ABOUT BAD BEHAVIOR FOR, FOR THE MOMENT.
UH, AND THE, WE'RE THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL.
WE'RE NOT THE US FOREST SERVICE, AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE LIMITS OF SEDONA.
SO I HEARD A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT, WE'RE TRYING TO BAN PEOPLE GOING OUT IN THE FOREST.
AND, UM, THERE ARE MANY STATES IN THIS, IN THIS COUNTRY WHO, UM, DO PROHIBIT THE USE ON PUBLIC ROADS AND ON PAVED ROADS, AND YET THEY STILL HAVE ATV COMPANIES AND ATV OWNERS IN BUSINESS IN ENJOYING THEIR STATE PARKS AND THEIR, AND THEIR FEDERAL LANDS.
SO IT FEELS TO ME LIKE WE COULD FIGURE THIS OUT IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME AND WE HAVE THE WILLPOWER TO TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT WHEN A MANUFACTURER SAYS IT'S NOT SAFE TO DO SOMETHING, THERE'S A DARWINIAN PRINCIPLE INVOLVED WHEN YOU DO IT ANYWAY, RIGHT? UM, AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE US NOT TO BE DISCOVERING HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HITTING THAT DARWINIAN PRINCIPLE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE, THE CITY OF SEDONA.
SO, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, BUT I BELIEVE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE HEARD SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
THOSE OF YOU IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU PROBABLY HAVE OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AS AN OWNER.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO, WHO RENTS THEM, YOU.
LET'S, LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND WE, WE WORK TOGETHER TO TRY AND SORT THIS OUT.
AGAIN, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE IDEA OF NOT ALLOWING, UM, VEHICLES THAT ARE TOW THAT ARE SAID BY THEIR MANUFACTURERS.
THEY'RE NOT TO BE UN PAVED ROADS TO BE UN PAVED ROADS.
BUT I DO NOT WANNA PUT BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS, AND I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR JOBS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
UH, FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT IT IS OUR INTENTION TO PROVE AN ORDINANCE THAT IS BLATANTLY ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AS TO THE LAW.
THE CITY ATTORNEY DRAFTED AN ORDINANCE THAT HE BELIEVES IS LEGAL.
WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF PASSING ILLEGAL ORDINANCES.
NOW, THAT WOULD BE UP TO A JUDGE TO DECIDE, AND I HEAR ALL OF YOU, AND IF WE ALL WANNA SPEND OUR MONEY ON LAWYERS, THEN SO BE IT.
BUT I WOULD RATHER SPEND OUR TIME AND EFFORT TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR PEOPLE.
I TOO HAVE NO DESIRE TO PUT PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS, TO HAVE FOLKS LOSE WELL PAYING JOBS.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO.
WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW STATES IN THE COUNTRY THAT ALLOW THESE VEHICLES TO BE UN PAVED ROADS.
OTHERS, STATES, LIKE COUNSELOR DUNN SAID, WHO DO NOT ALLOW VEHICLES TO BE UNPAVED OR PUBLIC ROADS HAVE THRIVING BUSINESSES.
IT'S ABOUT CHANGING A BUSINESS MODEL.
CHANGING A BUSINESS MODEL TAKES TIME.
CHANGING A BUSINESS MODEL MAY COST SOME MONEY.
I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION, IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS EASIER FOR YOU.
AND I THINK WE DO HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, BUT IF YOU DON'T TELL US, WE WON'T KNOW.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO AND RESEARCH BUSINESS MODELS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
AND SOME OF YOU HAVE COME FROM THOSE STATES.
SOME OF YOU HAVE BUSINESSES IN THOSE STATES.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A NEW BUSINESS MODEL LOOKS LIKE.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY FEEDBACK THAT SAYS IF YOU CHANGE THIS OR IF YOU CHANGE THAT, IT WOULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
SO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE IF YOU PASS IT, WE'RE ALL OUT OF BUSINESS AND WE'RE SUING YOU FOR DAMAGES.
I DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT FROM YOU GUYS UNLESS YOU TRULY BELIEVE THERE'S NO MIDDLE GROUND.
I BELIEVE THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND,
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AND I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT.AND WHAT YOU CAN ASK OF ME IS TO BE OPEN TO HEARING YOU AND TO WORK WITH YOU SO THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER.
WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR YEARS AND WE HAVE GONE NOWHERE.
I DO APPRECIATE, BY THE WAY, THE EFFORTS OF ROCK TO CLEAN UP THE FOREST AND ALL OF THAT, AND TRAIL KEEPERS, AND WE HAVE SUPPORTED THAT FINANCIALLY FROM THE CITY, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT WORK.
LIKE COUNSELOR FOLTZ SAID, ONCE YOU HEAR IT, YOU CAN'T CLOSE YOUR EYES, GO UNDER THE COVERS AND PRETEND YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT EXISTS.
AND SO NOW WE KNOW, AND NOW WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING THAT WILL KEEP YOU IN BUSINESS, KEEP YOUR PEOPLE EMPLOYED, AND ALSO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. MAYOR.
SO KURT, I THINK I EXPRESSED IN THE QUESTIONS WHERE MY CONCERNS ARE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED ME TO REITERATE ANY OF THEM.
WERE, WERE THEY CAPTURED SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE TIME GOING OVER THEM OR, I, I THINK I HAVE THEM ALL.
OKAY, THEN, UM, THEN I'M GONNA HOLD MY COMMENTS UNTIL I SEE A FURTHER DRAFT OF THIS.
SO MUCH OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY HAS BEEN SAID, BUT THAT WON'T STOP ME FROM GOING ON THE RECORD HERE TOO, BECAUSE I THINK THIS ISSUE IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND.
I AM MOVED THAT THE MANUFACTURERS THEMSELVES SAY, DON'T PUT THESE ON THE ROADS.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY THE ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATURE THINKS THEY KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME, AND I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS BACK IN 2006 OR 2008, WHATEVER YOU TOLD US, KURT.
BUT, UH, IT SEEMS ODD THAT, UH, A LEGISLATURE WOULD, WOULD BE UNIMPRESSED WITH THE MANUFACTURER'S OWN RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'M, UH, NOT VERY IMPRESSED THAT THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE WEIGHS IN ON THIS, AND MIGHT, I MIGHT REMIND ALL OF US, THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE AND THE ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATURE DIDN'T THINK SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD BE HARMFUL IN ANY WAY EITHER.
OHVS, THE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SAFE.
WHAT'S SAFE, NOT SURE WHAT SAFE IS.
THEY'RE CERTIFIED TO BE OPERATED AS SAFELY AS THEY CAN, RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE THAT OHVS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO BE OPERATED AS SAFELY AS THEY CAN.
AND THEN THE, THE OPERATOR PLAYS IN THIS EQUATION.
AND YOU CAN OPERATE ANYTHING UNSAFELY OR AS SAFE AS YOU CAN.
SO, LIKE MY COLLEAGUES OVER HERE, I DO THINK THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND HERE.
LET ME BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT, UH, AND SAY THAT I'M IMPRESSED THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS DONE A REASONABLE JOB OF LOOKING AT THE LAW.
UH, AND I THINK THERE IS ROOM IN THE CURRENT STATUTES FOR THIS CITY TO TAKE ACTION.
SO, LIKE MY COLLEAGUES HERE, THE TIME FOR US TO NEGOTIATE ON THIS THING IS NOW THIS PROBLEM.
WHETHER IT'S BEEN THE SPEED AND THE NOISE AND THE DUST AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE AND THE OVERCROWDING, AND NOW LAYER ON TOP OF THAT, THIS, THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE, ARE TRULY APPARENT HERE.
YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THERE'S A MEETING TOMORROW.
NOW, BEFORE THIS TRIGGER GETS PULLED, WE'RE READY TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOW KIND OF BRINKSMANSHIP, WHICH I DON'T REALLY LIKE, BUT THIS ISSUE HAS IRRITATED ALL OF US IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR YEARS WE'RE ALL CRAZY.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS KIND OF WHAT THE NUCLEAR ARMS ARGUMENT WAS TOO.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THESE GUYS ARE GONNA DO.
SO YOU GOTTA TAKE PROTECTIONS, TAKE ACTION.
LET'S END HAVE THIS NEGOTIATION.
LET'S FIND THE MIDDLE GROUND HERE RELATED TO SAFETY AND THE OTHER THINGS, AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND, AND NOT GO INTO, UH, A LITIGATION BASED STRATEGY HERE.
JESSICA, UM, I AGREE ENTIRELY WITH, UH, COUNSELOR PUGS STATEMENTS.
I THINK SHE MADE HER STATEMENTS VERY,
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VERY CLEARLY AND TOUCHED ALL OF THE POINTS THAT, THAT ARE IMPORTANT.I AM WAS VERY, VERY TAKEN TONIGHT BY THE, BY THE TEST, BY THE STATEMENTS OF, UH, SAVANNAH, IN PARTICULAR WITH HER, HER COMMENT ABOUT THE LIVING WAGE.
THAT REALLY STRUCK ME VERY, VERY STRONGLY.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN DO AS A COUNCIL TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T LOSE THEIR JOBS, PARTICULARLY WHEN THE OPERATORS THEMSELVES, UM, HAVE STEPPED UP AND ACTUALLY TAKEN CARE OF THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AMAZING.
AND I, I, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT TO PUT PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID, THE FACT THAT THE OP THAT THE MANUFACTURERS SAY, DON'T PUT THE UNPAVED ROADS CANNOT BE IGNORED.
IT CAN'T BE PUSHED TO THE SIDE.
IT CAN'T BE SORT OF LIKE, IT'S UN I BELIEVE IT'S, I BELIEVE OUR, OUR JOB IS TO, IS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, I DO, I DO WANNA SAY THAT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE TRAILERING AND THE PARKING FOR THE TRAILERING THAT IS IN TERMS OF THIS, THIS ORDINANCE AND OF WHAT CAN BE DONE.
I KNOW IN SOME STATES, I MEAN, IT'S JUST SORT OF A, IT'S A, IT'S A CRUEL IRONY THAT WE TALK ABOUT GETTING CARS OFF THE ROAD AND ABOUT REDUCING RELIANCE ON MOTOR VEHICLES.
AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE BIG TRUCKS AND, AND BIG TRAILERS WITH, WITH THESE, THESE MACHINES.
UM, I KNOW THAT MOST STATES DON'T ALLOW THEM ON THE ROAD.
SO THERE HAS TO BE A WAY, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY IT CAN BE DONE.
I THINK SEDONA IS UNUSUAL IN THAT I JUST CAME BACK FROM OKLAHOMA AND TEXAS AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, WE COULD PARK 'EM THERE NO TROUBLE AT ALL.
I KNOW THAT SOME ONE STATE, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS, UM, BUILT PARKING FACILITIES, I THINK ON BLM LAND.
UM, I VERY MUCH DOUBT THAT, THAT AMY'S GOING TO STEP UP AND OFFER FOREST SERVICE LAND TO, TO DO THIS.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK, I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY CAREFULLY BEFORE WE CREATE SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO END UP BEING A PROBLEM TO, TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH, WITH THE TRAILER SITUATION.
IT, IT'S AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY.
SO I THINK FOR THE MEETINGS THAT, THAT ARE BEING HELD, UM, AND THE ANY NEW BUSINESS MODELS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED, I'M HOPING THAT THOSE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL AND THAT THOSE WILL BE PRODUCTIVE AND THAT WE CAN SOLVE BEFOREHAND.
SO IT'S NOT AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
IT IS AN EXPECTED CONSEQUENCE THAT WE CAN PLAN FOR.
SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MAYOR.
I JUST WANT TO, I WANT TO EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND MY MINDSET.
WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME UP A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
I, I'M GONNA TAKE YOU BACK TO 2015.
I WAS ON COUNCIL FOR A YEAR AND BACK THEN THE BIGGEST ISSUE, OR ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES ON THE ROAD WAS HANDS-FREE DRIVING.
AND ARIZONA WAS ONE OF THE LAST STATES TO, UH, ENACT A STATEWIDE BAN ON A DRIVING WITHOUT, UH, A WI WIRELESS DEVICE OR HANDS-FREE DEVICE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM FROM THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE BECAUSE IT WAS FOR HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE.
I BELIEVE YAVAPAI COUNTY ALSO DID A SIMILAR ORDINANCE RIGHT AFTER WE DID, BECAUSE THERE WAS A DEFINITE PROBLEM.
DID YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR AN ACCIDENT? WE DIDN'T WAIT IN SEDONA TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT BECAUSE SOMEBODY WAS USING, UH, THEIR PHONE WHILE DRIVING.
WELL, SEVERAL MONTHS LATER, THE STATE THAT ARIZONA THAT DIDN'T WANT TO ENACT ANYTHING AND COUNTED A DPS TROOPER DOWN ON 17
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THAT WAS KILLED ONE NIGHT BY A PERSON NOT USING A HANDS-FREE DEVICE QUICK AS CAN BE.IT'S THE FA FASTEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN PASSED AN ORDINANCE AT THE STATE CAPITOL.
THEY PASSED THAT HANDS-FREE ORDINANCE.
DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO DIE? NOW, LIKE I SAID, WE DID FIND ACCENTS IN THE STATE RELATED TO OHVS, BUT DO YOU REALLY WANT TO WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO DIE? WHEN THE MANUFACTURERS ARE CLEAR IN THEIR, THEIR, THEIR THINKING, THIS IS ABOUT SAFETY, AS I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING.
AND JUST THAT, THAT'S OUR CONCERN.
WE CAN'T TURN AN EYE TO IT BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHO.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT, WELL THEN WE CAN ALSO GET SUED, IN MY OPINION.
OKAY, SO WHAT DO YOU REALLY DO? AND GOD FORBID ALL EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE, YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T DIE.
YOU DON'T LOSE A LOVED ONE BECAUSE JUST A FREAK ACCIDENT.
NOW, GOING TO THAT MEETING I TALKED ABOUT, UH, A LITTLE BIT AGO, TWO WEEKS AGO, COMING DOWN, UH, UP 1 79, COMING TO THE Y I WAS BEHIND, UH, TWO OH FEES.
AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THAT MEETING BECAUSE IT HAPPENED JUST BEFORE I CAME TO THE MEETING.
SO WHILE I'M DRIVING UP TO THE Y THESE TWO OHVS CUT FROM THE RIGHT LANES, IT'S THE ONLY PLACE YOU HAVE TWO LANES, RIGHT? JUST FROM THAT SHORT DISTANCE FROM PAST LACOCK COMING TO THE Y YOU HAVE TWO LANES.
CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE DIRECTIONALS.
OR IF EVEN IF THEY DID, THEY DIDN'T USE THEM.
CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THE LITTLE KNOB FOR DIRECTIONALS, RIGHT? BUT I'M SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE WHO CAME AND WERE RENTING AN O TREE DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
WHAT COMPANY IS, AND I'M NOT FAULTING THE THE COMPANY AT ALL.
BUT THE FACT IS, WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE, THEY'RE NOT TOLD THESE VEHICLES AREN'T SAFE BY THE MANUFACTURER ON PAGE ROADS, DRIVE WITH CARE.
I WAS TOLD WHEN I MENTIONED THAT AT THE, AT THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, LET THE BUYER BEWARE.
CAN YOU IMAGINE GOING TO SOME OTHER STATE DOING, DRIVING SOMETHING, GETTING INTO ANY KIND OF A, A, A VEHICLE AND NOT TOLD THAT THERE'S AN INHERENT PROBLEM? AND THEN GOD FORBID YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT, OH, LET THE BUYER BEWARE.
IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? I DON'T WANNA SEE ANYONE LOSE THEIR JOB.
I TOO WAS IMPRESSED BY THE FACT THAT I THINK IT'S RED ROCK OHVS PAYS MORE, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD WAGE.
I'M IMPRESSED, BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED CUZ IT, IT'S A GOOD COMPANY AND I THINK ALL THE COMPANIES ARE GOOD.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
IT HAS TO DO WITH MAKE THE VEHICLE SAFE OR TRAILER THEM OR COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
I'VE ALREADY MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE COMPANIES AND I INTEND TO KEEP MEETING AS LONG AS WE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO COME TO A RESOLUTION.
WE HAVE TWO THINGS TO DO, KEEP YOU IN BUSINESS AND I MEAN THAT, BUT KEEP OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR TRAVELING PUBLIC SAFE AS WELL.
SO I'M HOPING WE CAN COME TO A RESOLUTION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, PUSH THIS FOR JUNE.
WE MIGHT NOT, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH.
BUT I'M O DEFINITELY OPEN TO TALKING WITH ANYBODY THAT HAS A CONSTRUCTIVE IDEA TELLING ME, WELL, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T FORGET ABOUT THIS, THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTES CAN SUE YOU OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S NOT A CONSTRUCTIVE IDEA.
AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE.
AND IT COULD BE YOU COULD BE YOUR WIFE, YOUR SPOUSE, YOUR CHILD.
YOU DON'T KNOW AN ACCIDENT HAPPENS LIKE THAT.
DO YOU REALLY WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN BEFORE? OH, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING.
WELL, LET'S COME TO A, AN AGREEMENT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.
NINE O'CLOCK IS NOT A LATE MEETING FOR US.
WE'RE USED TO IT, BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY PUTTING UP WITH US FOR THE NIGHT.
[8.e. AB 2861 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, shortterm rental legislation and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona. Reports/discussion regarding Council assignments.]
ITEM E A 28 61.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION, ACTION.
YOU HAVE TO BE, PLEASE BE QUIET PLEASE.
REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION AND STATE BUDGET AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA.
I SHOULD SAY IT'S BEFORE YOU BEGIN, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
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LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS WILL BE, I BELIEVE, YOUR LAST PRESENTATION.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ANYTHING TOMORROW, WOULD POSSIBLY, BECAUSE YOU'RE PART OF THAT, CORRECT.
WELL, THE SECOND TO LAST PRESENTATION, WE WANNA, WHAT'S THAT PEN? ULTIMATE? YES.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR US.
WE'RE GOING TO TRULY MISS YOU.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN WITH TOTALLY DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT, UH, I'M SORRY THAT THIS IS YOUR SECOND TO LAST PRESENTATION.
I, I SENT THE, UM, UPDATED LEGISLATIVE MEMO, UH, YESTERDAY.
WE ARE KIND OF ON A BREAK AT THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAD, UM, KIND OF A WILD, UM, NOT END OF SESSION, BUT BREAK IN SESSION WHERE THEY PASSED, UM, A BUDGET AND THEN MOVED SEVERAL BILLS, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HAVE, UM, THEY HAVEN'T ADJOURNED, BUT THEY WILL BE COMING BACK ON JUNE 12TH TO FINISH SOME BUSINESS.
THEY HAD SOME LEGISLATORS WHO HAD, UH, VACATIONS PLANNED AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD ALL OF THEIR ME, THEIR MEMBERS THERE FOR, UM, SOME VOTES.
SO, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT HAS HAPPENED, UM, THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
UM, THE SENATE BILL 1100, IF YOU RECALL, THAT WAS THE, THE LEGISLATION THAT INCREASED THE WEIGHT LIMIT ON OHVS, THAT THAT DID PASS, UM, THE, THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE AND WAS SENT TO THE GOVERNOR.
AND SHE ACTUALLY VETOED IT EARLY THIS WEEK.
UM, SHE ALSO VETOED THE, UM, PARTISAN ELECTIONS BILL AS WELL.
THAT WAS ANOTHER BILL THAT WAS, THAT WAS SENT TO HER.
UM, THERE'S ALSO SEVERAL BILLS THAT MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT, UM, STILL HAVE NOT BEEN TRANSMITTED TO THE GOVERNOR.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A FINAL ACTION FOR THOSE BILLS TO BE SENT TO THE GOVERNOR.
AND SO WE'RE KIND OF WAITING TO SEE, UM, IF THAT HAPPENS, BUT IF NOT, IT'LL LIKELY HAPPEN ON JUNE 12TH WHEN, WHEN THEY COME BACK IN SESSION.
UM, THE OTHER BILL THAT PASSED OUT, THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, RENTAL TAX BILL ACTUALLY MOVED.
UM, AGAIN, IF YOU RECALL, THIS BILL HAS BEEN, UM, PASSED BY BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE SENT TO THE GOVERNOR.
SHE VETOED IT AND THEN THEY MOVED IT THROUGH AGAIN, UM, WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT DELAYED, UM, THE DATE OF IMPLEMENTATION WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL RENTAL WOULD STOP FOR CERTAIN CITIES AND TOWNS.
THAT HAS STILL NOT BEEN TRANSMITTED TO THE GOVERNOR AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
SO THAT'S, THAT ONE'S STILL IN LIMBO.
THERE WAS ALSO QUITE A BIT OF ACTION ON SOME, UH, SOME OF THE HOUSING LEGISLATION.
UM, BUT THAT DID NOT, THEY DID NOT MOVE FORWARD AND WE DO EXPECT THEM TO RECONSIDER.
UM, ISSUES RELATED TO HOUSING ON JUNE 12TH, UM, THERE WAS LANGUAGE IN THE BUDGET TO FUND THE, UM, THE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
THE 150 MILLION COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT BILL.
UM, BUT WE DO EXPECT THEM TO COME BACK AND DEAL WITH, WITH SOME ISSUES.
UM, HOUSING ALSO, COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ BROUGHT THIS UP IN AN EARLIER MEETING WITH THE MARICOPA COUNTY.
UM, THE TRANSPORTATION TAX, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT THEY'LL LIKELY, UH, TAKE BACK UP IN JUNE AS WELL.
SO, UM, THEY'RE NOT, UH, DONE FOR THE YEAR.
I DID MENTION TO KAREN THAT, UM, MY PLAN IS TO, TO HOPEFULLY GET PAUL AND TODD TO DO THE UPDATE.
UM, LIKELY, UM, JUNE 13TH, I BELIEVE IS THE DATE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER ONE BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH.
BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE IN AND OUT PRETTY QUICKLY AND NOT CAUSE TOO MUCH DAMAGE.
THAT'S IT WITH THAT, THAT IS IT.
YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER THREE HOURS TO GO? NO, TOMORROW.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT SURE.
I THINK THAT JANET PANO, WHEN SHE WAS THE GOVERNOR, WHICH SHE VETOED OVER A HUNDRED BILLS RIGHT? IN HER, IN HER TOTAL TERM, CORRECT? YES.
AND THE GOVERNOR HOBBS HAS VETOED 86 BILLS SO FAR, 94 TODAY, BUT WHO CANCEL, BUT WHO'S COUNTING? 94.
SO SHE WILL, SHE WILL CLEARLY EXCEED HER PREDECESSORS, CORRECT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THE MOST SHE MIGHT EVEN DO IT IN ONE SESSION.
AND WE'RE NOT DONE YET, SO RIGHT.
TO THAT POINT THOUGH, A LOT OF FOCUS ON HOW MANY BILLS SHE'S VEING, BUT IT'S STILL ONLY
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ABOUT WHAT, 60%.I MEAN, A LOT OF BILLS ARE STILL COMING THROUGH, CORRECT? YES.
SHE'S STILL SIGNING BILLS OR, OR THEY'RE GOING INTO EFFECT MM-HMM.
[8.f. Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.]
REPORTS DISCUSSION REGARDING COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS, ITEM F, ANY, UM, SUGGESTIONS? OH, I CAN GET OUTTA HERE EARLY TONIGHT.UH, ACTION, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, ANYTHING ON THAT? NOTHING.
[10. Adjournment]
NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW AT THREE.