* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY, I'D LIKE [1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL] TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IT IS JUNE 6TH, 2023 AT 4:30 PM IF YOU WOULD STAND, PLEASE, UH, FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. FIVE PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ROLL CALL PLEASE. CHAIR LEVIN HERE. VICE CHAIR SINI. HERE. COMMISSIONER WHEEL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER ZAKK. SHE'S ON ZOOM HERE FOR THE REST OF YOU OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE. UM, CAN YOU PUT, PUSH YOUR SPEAKER UP, LYNN? WHERE DO WE DO THAT ON OUR END. I HAVE IT ALL THE WAY UP. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE GOT IT. WE HAD TO DO IT ON OUR END COMMISSION. COMMISSIONER BRA HERE. COMMISSIONER HURST HERE. COMMISSIONER GSKI. COMMISSIONER GSKI. CALLIE, UNMUTE CALLIE. CAN YOU HEAR US WELL? SHE'S HERE. SHE'S ON THE, ON THE SCREEN. ALL RIGHTY. GO ON TO CLOSE OUT THAT ITEM. GO ON TO AGENDA [2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF] ITEM NUMBER TWO. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF COMMISSIONERS. AYE, NOTHING. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I CAUGHT UP WITH YOU YESTERDAY AND HAD A TOUR OF ANTE AND I THINK ALL OF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO GO TO THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. UH, ALSO TO ANNOUNCE THAT LYNN HAS, UM, DECIDED NOT TO CONTINUE HER SERVICE BEYOND HER, THE EXPIRATION OF HER TERM THIS FALL. SO THERE WILL BE A VACANCY. SO PUT YOUR THINKING CAPS ON. WE'LL NEED TO BE, UH, THINKING ABOUT HOW TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE AND FILL THAT, UH, VACANCY, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM STAFF. OKAY. CLOSE THAT [3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES] ITEM AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES. IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES, WE WILL ACCEPT THESE AS WRITTEN. OKAY. SO APPROVED AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO ARS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H. ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR CONSIDERATION DECISION AT A LATER DATE. I HAVE NO CARDS FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. SO I'LL CLOSE THAT ITEM. MOVE [5. Update/discussion regarding the Community Plan Update. ] ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. CYNTHIA? LOVELY. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR LEVIN AND VICE CHAIR HOSSEINI AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, LET'S SEE. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE TALKED SINCE THE APRIL 19TH WORKSHOP. UH, SO I'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THAT. HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY IS RECEIVING EMAIL UPDATES, UM, AFTER THE, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED ONE BEFORE THE WORKSHOP, BUT ALSO AFTER THE WORKSHOP. UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT A SUMMARY REPORT AS WELL AS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD FROM THAT WORKSHOP, UM, YOU CAN GO TO THE PLANT SEDONA.COM WEBSITE. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS. ONE IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE WORKSHOP, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE HAS ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD. UM, A LOT OF THEM WERE IN WRITING AND SOME OF THEM FROM THE BREAKOUT SESSIONS, ET CETERA. UH, SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A, A SUCCESSFUL WORKSHOP. WE ESTIMATE ROUGHLY ABOUT 135 PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO THAT ONE. UM, WE ALSO DID RECORD THE PRESENTATION, SO THAT IS AVAILABLE ON YOUTUBE AND THE LINK IS ALSO ON PLAN SADONA.COM. UM, ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? COMMENTS? OKAY. SO, UM, WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON NEXT FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH IS A, UM, COMMUNITY WORKSHOP THAT WOULD BE ALL IN SPANISH. AND SO OUR, UH, FACILITATION [00:05:01] TEAM, SDR SOUTHWEST DECISION RESOURCES, IS WORKING WITH THE NORTHERN ARIZONA INTERFAITH COUNCIL. UM, SO THEY ARE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY BE CO-FACILITATING THAT WORKSHOP. UM, SO WE'RE IN THE PLANNING STAGES RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE A DATE SET. UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE SEVERAL MEETINGS, UH, TO TALK OUT THE AGENDA, ET CETERA. MOST OF THE FOCUS, UH, THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN IS HOUSING, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS MORE WITH THEM. UM, SO AT THE EARLIEST, THAT WOULD BE IN JULY, ALTHOUGH IT'S POSSIBLE IT MAY GET PUSHED INTO AUGUST. UM, SO THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON, UM, IS THE ACTUAL UPDATE AND REVISIONS TO THE DOCUMENT. AND SO THAT'S BEING DONE IN-HOUSE BY STAFF. AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR OUTREACH FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN. AND SO THERE'S A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT CAME FROM OUR SURVEY FROM APRIL OF 2022. AND THEN ALL OF THE OUTREACH EVENTS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, ET CETERA. WE ALSO ARE REFERENCING OTHER CITY PLANS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. UM, SO THAT'S A COMBINATION OF GOING THROUGH THE PLAN AND LOOKING AT INFORMATION THAT'S OUTDATED, UH, UPDATING THE INFORMATION. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, GRAPHS OR CHARTS, UM, WITH DATA, THEN WE ARE ADDING TO THAT. UM, AND ALSO ADDING IN NEW INFORMATION AND DATA AS WE CAN FIND IT. PART OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS SEARCHING FOR, FOR MORE AND BETTER DATA. UM, SO THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. UM, LET'S SEE. SO WE EXPECT THAT THAT WILL TAKE THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. UM, AND THEN ONCE WE'VE GOT A DRAFT TOGETHER, THEN WE GO THROUGH THE ROUND OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, OR NOT PUBLIC HEARINGS, PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW THESE REVISIONS AND THE DRAFT. AND THEN WE WILL GET FEEDBACK AND WE CAN GO BACK AND REVISE AS NEEDED. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DRAFT. UM, AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS WOULD BEGIN. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT, TYPICALLY WHEN WE GO TO BOTH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND COUNSEL, WE USUALLY START WITH WORK SESSIONS. SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT THIS FALL, THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE WORK SESSIONS. UM, AND THEN AT THE POINT THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, UH, YOU WOULD PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL AND THEN WE KIND OF START THE PROCESS OVER WITH WORK SESSIONS WITH COUNSEL AND THEN PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND THEN AT SOME POINT COUNSEL WOULD ADOPT IT. AND SO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE FALL, UM, WE'LL GO FROM A WORKING DRAFT, UM, TO MULTIPLE DRAFTS UNTIL WE GET TO A FINAL APPROVED DRAFT. AND SO THE GOAL HAS BEEN TO COMPLETE THIS BY THE END OF 2023. THAT WOULD BE 10 YEARS, UH, FROM THE TIME IT WAS COMPLETED AND ADOPTED. IT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? VOTED ON, VOTED ON , UM, MM-HMM. , I THINK THAT WAS MARCH, 2014. MM-HMM. . UH, SO LOOKING AT OUR CALENDARS AND THE INFORMATION FROM LIKE A YEAR AGO, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS THIS LIKE ARROW TIMELINE, . UM, WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT. I WOULD SAY WE'RE JUST GONNA BE A FEW MONTHS OFF. SO, UM, THE GOAL IS REALLY PROBABLY JANUARY OF 2024. AND SOME OF THAT IS HARD TO PREDICT BECAUSE OF THE SCHEDULING OF MEETINGS. IF, IF IT'S GONNA TAKE MULTIPLE WORK SESSIONS WITH COMMISSION AND COUNSEL THAT CAN DELAY IT. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ON SCHEDULE. UM, IT WILL MEAN THAT THE NEXT SIX MONTHS ARE GONNA BE PRETTY BUSY MM-HMM. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING UPDATES TO THE COMMISSION EVERY MONTH. SO ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I HAVE A COUPLE. ARE YOU THE PRINCIPAL WRITER? UM, NO, I DON'T THINK I WOULD SAY PRINCIPAL. WE HAVE, THERE ARE THREE OF US IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WORKING ON IT. MM-HMM. , UM, MYSELF, UH, JOSH [00:10:01] HUMPHREY, ASSOCIATE PLANNER, WE HAVE MIKE RABER THAT IS WORKING PART-TIME. UM, HE HAS BEEN FOCUSING MOST OF HIS TIME ON THE LAND USE CHAPTER AS WELL AS THE LAND USE MAP. MM-HMM. , UM, UNLIKE 10 YEARS AGO, WE WILL BE CHANGING ELEMENTS OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. UM, AND THAT WILL REQUIRE PROBABLY SOME FOCUS GROUPS. UM, AND THEN WE ALL ARE ALSO WORKING WITH DEPART OR CITY STAFF FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, SHANNON BOONE FROM HOUSING MM-HMM. , SHE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE WRITING A GOOD PORTION OF THE HOUSING SECTION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY TWO PAGES. IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SHORT. UM, SO WE WILL BE ADDING TO THAT. UH, LET'S SEE, WE, WE ARE GOING TO BE MEETING WITH PUBLIC WORKS, THE PARKS AND RECTORY DEPARTMENT, UH, TERESA ARTHUR REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UM, SO IT WILL BE A COMBINATION. MM-HMM. OF WRITERS. MM-HMM. BASICALLY. OKAY. AND, UM, TODAY AT OUR SITE VISIT, STEVE MENTIONED THAT IT WOULD BE COMING TO US AS A WHOLE DOCUMENT, NOT IN CHAPTERS MM-HMM. , UM, I MEAN NOT IN ONE OR TWO CHAPTERS TO REVIEW AT A TIME. AND THAT'S, UM, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE APPROACHING IT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT WOULD BE EASIER IF WE COULD PUT IT OUT IN SECTIONS, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS? OR YOU FORGOT THAT. AND, AND SO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO SEE THE WHOLE THING ALL TOGETHER. UM, OKAY. OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE AWFULLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE BIG PICTURE. SO, SO THEN THERE NECESSARILY NEED, NEED TO BE SOME LARGER LEAD TIME FOR P AND Z THAN OUR NORMAL TURNAROUND BETWEEN WHEN THE PACKET GOES OUT AND MM-HMM. , WE DISCUSS IT IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GET THE WHOLE DOCUMENT AS A DRAFT, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE WORK, WORK SESSIONS TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. OKAY. YEAH. AND COULD YOU TELL THE COMMISSION AND UM, UH, UH, JUST NOTIFY THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU'VE LANDED ON A DATE FOR THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY? MM-HMM. OUTREACH AND LOCATION? YES, DEFINITELY. THANK YOU. OH, GO AHEAD AND ASK, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY TO COLLAPSE SOME OF THIS OF, SINCE THEY'RE GONNA BE WORK SESSIONS ANYWAY, OF HAVING A JOINT ONE WITH, UH, COUNCIL AND P AND Z ? I BELIEVE SO. I'M GONNA REFER TO KURT. YEAH, IT, IT'S POSSIBLE. I MEAN, THAT SUBJECT WAS BROUGHT UP TO COUNCIL BEFORE AND THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED LAST TIME. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THAT WAS ON THOUGH, UM, , BUT IT CAN BE ASKED AGAIN. MAYBE JUST BE AGAIN AT PERIOD , BUT MAYBE NOT. YEAH. MIGHT SAVE SOME TIME, ESPECIALLY STAFF TIME. ANY QUESTIONS DOWN HERE? WILL, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT THE, UH, APRIL WORKSHOP WAS VERY HELPFUL, PARTICULARLY ME, AND I WANT TO THANK, UH, THOSE THAT WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT IN THE DATE BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO COME. SO THANK YOU, . THAT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT. , WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT DATES AND NO MATTER WHAT WE WERE GONNA CONFLICT WITH OTHER EVENTS. SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU CYNTHIA. OKAY. WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN, UH, IN A MONTH. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE [6A. Discussion/possible action regarding a request for renewal of a Conditional Use Permit to continue operation of a school (Running River School) in an existing church building (Christ Center Wesleyan Church) at 580 Brewer Road. The property is zoned Single Family Residential (RS-10), is ±1.32 acres, and is located southeast of the intersection of Brewer Rd. and Juniper Ln. APN: 401-20-026G. Applicant: Running River School (Lupita Pollock) Case Number: PZ23-00003 (CUP)] ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR RENEWAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO CONTINUE OPERATION OF A SCHOOL RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL IN AN EXISTING CHURCH BUILDING THE CHRIST CENTER WESLEYAN CHURCH AT FIVE 80 BREWER ROAD. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RS 10 AND IS PLUS OR MINUS 1.32 ACRES AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BREWER ROAD IN JUNIPER LANE, ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 41 DASH 20 DASH 0 2 6 G. THE APPLICANT IS RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL REPRESENTED BY LUPITA P*****K, AND THE CASE NUMBER IS PZ 23 0 0 0 0 3 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE, UH, TO SUPPORT THIS, UM, PROJECT, I JUST WANTED TO OUTLINE THE PROCESS FOR THAT FIRST. UM, CARRIE MEYER, THE PRINCIPAL [00:15:01] PLANNER, WILL BRING US FORWARD TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS REQUEST FOR A RENEWAL, AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ASK STAFF QUESTIONS IF THE APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN TO SPEAK, THEN THAT PERSON WILL ALSO, UM, PRESENT THEIR CASE. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS WITH, UH, THE TIME WHEN YOU CAN, UH, CHOOSE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND YOU'LL GO UP TO THE MICROPHONE ON THE PODIUM LOCATED THERE IN THE CENTER. THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I SHOULD SAY THAT AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING, WE DON'T ENGAGE WITH YOU, WE DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY RAISE. UM, BUT STAFF WILL AND CLOSE THAT, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. THAT WILL, UH, WE MAY HAVE FOLLOW UP COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. SO THAT'S HOW THAT WILL LOOK. SO WE'LL START OFF, CARRIE. WELL THANK YOU. BUT I AM ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION. CHRIS, OUR, UM, ONE OF OUR ASSOCIATE PLANNERS, UM, IS GOING TO BE TAKING, UM, YOU THROUGH THIS PROJECT. I WILL BE HERE FOR MORAL SUPPORT, BUT UM, WE'LL BE TAKING THE LEAD. SO THIS IS CHRIS, TAKE IT AWAY, CHRIS. THANK YOU. SO AS YOU SAID, THIS IS A RENEWAL FOR THE CONDITION USE PERMIT OF, UH, RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL. UM, THE ADDRESS IS FIVE 80 BREWER ROAD, WHICH IS THE CHRIST CENTER WESLEYAN CHURCH. UM, THE APPLICANT IS A RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL WITH, UH, THE LOT BEING JUST OVER AN ACRE. AND THE CURRENT LAND USE IS A CHURCH AND SCHOOL WITH THE ZONING AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY PLAN AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. UH, THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP OF IT. UM, YOU HAVE, OH, OKAY, THAT ONE. NEVERMIND. UH, BREWER ROAD TO THE WEST AND, UH, JUNIPER TO THE NORTH. UM, THIS IS A VICINITY MAP. UM, JUST NORTH YOU HAVE THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT AND BASICALLY TO THE WEST YOU HAVE THE, UH, NATIONAL FOREST, AND THEN EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. UH, THE PROPERTY BACKGROUND, UM, IT WAS DEVELOPED IN 1972 AS A CHURCH. UH, THE CONDITIONAL U CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS GRANTED BY COCONINO COUNTY. THERE WERE TWO PREVIOUS C U P APPLICATIONS FOR SCHOOLS IN 1998 AND 1999. ULTIMATELY NEITHER WERE USED. UM, AND THEN LAST YEAR RUNNING OVER SCHOOL, IT WAS APPROVED BY P AND Z, UH, TILL JULY 31ST, 2025, AND APPEALED TO COUNSEL AND APPROVED BY COUNSEL TILL JULY 31ST, NOT END OF JANUARY, WHICH I THINK I PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT ON ACCIDENT . AND THE C WAS ISSUED IN JANUARY OF 2022. SO IT'S ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RS 10, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A SCHOOL PUBLIC OR PRIVATE WITH APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS. UM, THE LOCATION ACCESS MINIMUM SEPARATION FROM HOMES, OUTDOORS, BELL SPEAKERS, SCREENING AND BUFFERS FOR OUTDOOR PLAY AREAS AND BALL COURTS OUT AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. UM, OUR, OUR DETAILED EVALUATION IS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL, GRADES ONE THROUGH EIGHT, APPROXIMATELY 65 STUDENTS WITH NINE FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBERS, UM, WITH THE SAME HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE AND OCCASIONAL AFTER HOURS. USES ONLY CHANGES AN ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SPACE USAGE IN THE PARKING LOTS, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN THE PINK. AND THEY'LL CONTINUE TO USE THE ORANGE FOR, UH, OUTDOOR PLAY AS WELL. UM, THE APPLICANT DID COMPLETE THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, WHICH IS IN THE STAFF REPORT. UM, WE COMPLETED PUBLIC NOTICING, WHICH INCLUDED COMMUNITY PUTTING IT ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE. UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNED, POSTED ON THE PROPERTY LETTERS MAILED OUT TO PROPER EDITORS WITHIN 300 FEET. AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICED IN RED ROCK NEWS. THE COMMENTS INCLUDED SUPPORT OF AND OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. THE SUPPORT WAS, IT WAS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND SCHOOL AND OPPOSITION HAD SOME ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC NOISE AND TIME LIMITS. UH, WE PROVIDED UPDATED COMMENTS AS OF THREE TODAY. UM, AND BECAUSE OF TIME LIMITS AND EXPIRATION HAS BEEN A COMMENT BROUGHT UP, UH, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING EXPIRATION DATE. A TYPICAL C P WOULD EXPIRE AFTER TWO YEARS OF NON-USE IF THE COMMISSION WISHES WISHES TO ADDRESS THE TIME LIMIT USE. WHOOPS. UH, THE OPTION WOULD BE TO INCLUDE A CONDITION THAT THE CB C U P EXPIRED AFTER A SHORTER TIME OF NON-USE, OR PUT AN EXPIRATION DATE ON THE PERMIT AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. UH, WE BELIEVE THE APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND SATISFACTION OF CONDITION USE PERMIT [00:20:01] FINDINGS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE RAINVILLE SCHOOL, C U P, UM, AND MEETS ALL REQUIRED FINDINGS AND ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR EVALUATION, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. THANK YOU, CHRIS. I'LL BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS OF STAFF. GO AHEAD. I'LL GO FIRST. UM, UH, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU. I'M SORRY. I MEANT TO ASK, DO, UM, DO THE COMMISSIONERS ON, UM, THAT ARE ZOOMING IN, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE SCREEN? LYNN AND COLLIE? YES. OKAY. YES. GREAT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. UM, CAN YOU REVIEW FOR, FOR ME, UH, DECISION MADE BY CITY COUNCIL TO REDUCE THE, UH, DEADLINE FOR THE C U P IN THE BASIS FOR REDUCING IT TO JULY, 2023? I DO NOT REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS, BUT THIS DID GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON APPEAL, AND SO I THINK AS PART OF THEIR HEARING OF THAT APPEAL, THEY DID, YOU KNOW, THEY SHORTENED THE TIMEFRAME, UM, THINKING AT THE TIME AND THE SCHOOL CAN ADDRESS THAT THEY'RE UP, REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE AS WELL. UM, THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY WOULD TAKE THIS LONG TO GET INTO THEIR NEW SPACE. AND SO, UM, I THINK THE, THE COUNCIL JUST DECIDED TO GIVE THEM A SHORTER TIMEFRAME THAT WAS MORE IN, IN LINE WITH THEIR HOPE OF WHEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET INTO THEIR NEW BUILDING. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS REALLY, UH, PROBABLY HAS TO BE ANSWERED BY THE, UH, THE APPLICANT REGARDING, UH, WHERE THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY AT AND WHERE RUNNING RIVER SCHOOLS, UH, FEELS LIKE THEY COULD BE AT A MOVE-IN STATE. AND I BELIEVE PROPERTIES AT 1 0 5 NAVAJO, IF I READ THAT ADDRESS CORRECTLY, IF YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE. UH, GUADALUPE P*****K. THAT'S MY OFFICIAL NAME. UH, SEDONA, ARIZONA IS MY PLACE OF RESIDENCE. AND, AND ARE YOU THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE SCHOOL? I AM. OKAY, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. YEAH. UM, WOULD I BE ABLE TO MAKE MY STATEMENT BEFORE ANSWERING QUESTIONS OR DO I NEED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BEFORE? UM, WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS FIRST? , UM, IT'S JUST HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR AVAILABILITY. IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE FUNDRAISING NEEDS THAT WE HAVE AS WELL TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. UM, POSSIBLE SUPPLY LINE ISSUES, WHICH WE HAVE RUN INTO, UM, ALREADY, ALTHOUGH THOSE SEEM TO BE EASING UP A BIT AS TIME PASSES. UM, SO THAT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE, BUT ALSO CONTRACTOR AVAILABILITY THAT IS SOMEWHAT STILL OF AN ISSUE. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS WHAT IT MEANS TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE WILL BE IN THE PROPERTY AT NAVAJO. SO I GUESS IF YOU WANT A SHORT ANSWER, I DON'T HAVE, UH, I DON'T HAVE A GUARANTEED TIMELINE FOR WHEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. WE ARE MIDWAY THROUGH THE PROJECT. UM, WE'VE DONE AN, YOU KNOW, A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK ALREADY, UM, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO FUNDRAISING TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. I, I GUESS WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH IS, UM, UH, TEMPORARY LOCATION VERSUS PERMANENT LOCATION AND HOW LONG TEMPORARY IS, DOES TEMPORARY BECOME PERMANENT OR, UH, I'M ASSUMING NOT, BUT, UH, UH, AND PROGRESS BEING MADE. I, I GUESS IT'S BEEN, UH, YEAR AND A HALF, YEAR AND A HALF SINCE WE MET ON THIS AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN DONE SINCE, UH, THIS WAS APPROVED? WELL, WE, AT THE TIME I THINK THAT WE CAME TO, UM, P AND Z THE FIRST TIME, AND I BELIEVE WHEN WE CAME TO COUNCIL, WE HADN'T CLOSED YET ON THE BUILDING. WE WERE REALLY CLOSE TO DOING THAT. I BELIEVE WE CLOSED IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR, SO THAT WAS AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. UM, SINCE THEN I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE BUILDING FRAMED OUT. UM, WE'RE STILL IN PERMITTING PROCESS AS WELL, SO WE CAN'T GET MA MUCH PAST THAT POINT UNTIL PERMITTING HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE THE TRADES COME IN LIKE THE PLUMBING, THE ELECTRICIAN, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS UNTIL WE ARE FURTHER ALONG IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO THAT IS ALSO A FACTOR. THE PERMITTING PROCESSES SAID WAITING FOR THE CITY OR IS IT WAITING FOR YOU? PROBABLY BOTH. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR [00:25:01] ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, FOR HIM TO, YOU KNOW, UPDATE PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BASED ON CITY RECOMMENDATIONS OR CITY REQUESTS SLASH REQUIREMENTS. UM, DO YOU HAVE FULL FUNDING FOR, FOR YOUR IMPROVEMENTS? WE DON'T. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUST LIKE ANYBODY WHO'S RAISING MONEY FOR ANY PROJECT? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE'RE AT THE SORT OF BEHEST OF, UM, OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NETWORK OF PEOPLE, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONTINUALLY WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT GROWS LITTLE BY LITTLE. SO I DON'T HAVE A, UM, A SPECIFIC DATE TO GIVE YOU AS FAR AS WHEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT BASED ON THE NEEDS OF, UH, THE FUNDING. OKAY. HUH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE WILL. OKAY. YES, I, I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNDING AS WELL. UM, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO ON AND LOOK AT YOUR WEBSITE AND I NOTICED THAT THERE IS FUNDRAISING GOING ON THERE, UH, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN UPDATED FOR ALMOST A YEAR ON THE WEBSITE. UH, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT A, AN AGGRESSIVE FUNDING EFFORT GOING ON, OR IT JUST MEAN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A WEBMASTER THAT'S CORRECTING THOSE THINGS? SO I GUESS IF YOU WANNA TITLE A WEBMASTER, THAT WOULD BE ME AND I WEAR PROBABLY ABOUT 15 DIFFERENT HATS FOR THE SCHOOL. UM, WE ALSO ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WANTING TO UPDATE THE WEBSITE COMPLETELY. SO STARTING OVER, BASICALLY WE HAVE ACTUALLY A PARENT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO IS, UM, HELPING TO WORK ON THAT WITH US. AND SO THAT'S PARTIALLY THE REASON THAT YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF THE SORT OF UPDATED INFORMATION. WE DO HAVE A FUNDRAISING PLATFORM THAT WE SHARE REGULARLY WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND ASK THEM TO SHARE, AND WE HAVE EVENTS PLANNED TO DO THE SAME. UM, BUT IT'S BASICALLY WE'RE WAITING, YOU KNOW, FOR AN UPDATED WEBSITE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE A COHESIVE, UM, A COHESIVE LOOK, YOU KNOW, COHESIVE MARKETING PLAN, PR, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, ALL OF WHICH ARE IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW. UM, WELL IT MENTIONED IN THERE THAT THERE WAS AN ANONYMOUS PERSON OR DONOR THAT, UH, WAS GOING TO MATCH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF MONEY. THAT'S AN OLD FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN. SO THAT ORIGINAL FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN MM-HMM. WAS FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY. WELL, DID THAT HAPPEN? DID WHICH PART HAPPEN? THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY, DID THE MATCH HAPPEN? DID YOU, DID YOU RAISE ENOUGH MONEY TO, WE RAISED ENOUGH MONEY TO MEET OUR GOAL, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, PARTIALLY DOWN PAYMENT, AND OF COURSE WE WERE HOPING TO MAYBE GO BEYOND THAT, BUT AS FAR AS RE UH, YOU KNOW, TAKING IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDED FOR A DOWN PAYMENT ON A PROPERTY, WE REACHED THAT GOAL. YES. OKAY. SO IS IT IN, UM, THE OWNERSHIP OF THE SCHOOL NOW? MM-HMM. THE PROPERTY? MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND I THINK I ALSO LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE, SO, UM, BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED, PERHAPS THE INFORMATION THERE, YOU CAN'T BE HELD TO AS TO THE PERCENT OF GOAL FUNDRAISING GOAL THAT YOU'VE REACHED. I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THE NEW WEBSITE. OKAY. IF YOU WANTED TO YEAH. LOOK AT THAT CAMPAIGN INSTEAD. SO CAN YOU TELL US, ARE YOU ABLE TO TELL US TONIGHT WHAT PERCENT YOU HAVE REACHED THEN OF YOUR FUNDRAISING GOAL? UM, I'D HAVE TO ASK PROBABLY ONE OF OUR PARENTS TO HELP ME OUT WITH THAT. I DON'T HAVE MY, MY PHONES OVER THERE, SO I COULD, IF I, I'D SAY WE'RE 10%, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OVER 10%, WHICH IS ALREADY MONEY THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY SPENT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING AS FAR AS WE CAN WITH ANY PROJECT AT THE PROPERTY AS FUNDING COMES IN. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO REACH THE GOAL AND THEN DO THE PROJECT. MM-HMM. , IF THAT MAKES SENSE. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, YOU'VE HIRED AN ARCHITECT AND YOU'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW MM-HMM. AND YOU'RE FRAMING, IT'S MOSTLY FRAMED INSIDE. MM-HMM. . YEAH, WE HAD TO PRETTY MUCH GUT THE BUILDING ITSELF AND START OVER. OKAY. SO, AND HOW FAR DOES YOUR EXISTING FUNDING TAKE YOU IN CONSTRUCTING THAT BUILDING? UM, WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT A PO AT A STOPPING POINT, SO WE'VE FINISHED WHAT WE COULD FINISHED PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO. OKAY. I WOULD SAY SO WE WERE WORKING UP UNTIL THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. SARAH. IS THIS COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? OKAY. I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. AND HOW ABOUT OUR, UH, COMMISSIONERS ONLINE? ANY OF YOU WISH TO ASK QUESTIONS? COLLIE, GO AHEAD. YEAH. HI LUPITA. HI. UM, I'M WONDERING, SO YOU, YOU'RE IN REVISIONS WITH THE CITY FOR PERMITS. HOW MANY ROUNDS HAVE YOU BEEN THROUGH? DO YOU KNOW? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU [00:30:01] SUBMITTED NOTHING GIVEN YOU BACK? MM. YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, THE ARCHITECT JUST KIND OF DOES THAT WITHOUT OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S JUST, YEAH, HE JUST KIND OF MOVES FORWARD AS HE, I WOULD SAY HE'S PROBABLY COME BACK TO US BY NOW MAYBE THREE TIMES TO TELL US THAT THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, BASED ON WHAT WAS SUBMITTED. ALTHOUGH WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY A DOCUMENT THAT HAD, UM, ALL KINDS OF, CAN YOU SEE ME IF I'M POINTED THIS WAY? KELLY . UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 50 NOTES OR MORE THAT, OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO CHANGE, UH, BASED ON OUR OR, UH, ORIGINAL PAPERWORK, SUMIT SUBMITTAL. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S, UH, THEY CAN, SO THERE'S A LOT TO COVER WHEN IT COMES TO CITY PERMITS. CARRIE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY SUBMISSIONS THEY'VE DONE? UH, IT LOOKS LIKE JUST A COUPLE THERE. IT IS OUT FOR CORRECTIONS RIGHT NOW. IT'S BEEN OUT FOR CORRECTIONS FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE HAS WORKED WITH THEM ANYMORE THAN I HAVE. ACCORDING LEON , ACCORDING TO OUR SYSTEM, UM, THE LAST PLAN REVIEW WAS DONE IN OCTOBER OF 22. AND SO WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THOSE CORRECTIONS TO COME. SO THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ANY WORK RIGHT NOW CUZ THERE IS NO PERMIT FOR THE BUILDING. OKAY. UM, AND SO WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE, I'M, I'M SHOWING ONLY ONE SUBMITTAL, UH, UNDER THIS PERMIT FOR THE ALTERATION OF, OF THAT, UH, BUILDING, THERE WAS A DEMOLITION PERMIT MM-HMM. , WHICH MIGHT BE POSSIBLY WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT AS WELL. UH, THERE WAS A PRIOR DEMOLITION PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED CUZ THERE WAS A LOT, AS, AS LUPITA SAID, UM, THERE WAS A LOT THAT NEEDED TO BE GUTTED FROM THE STRUCTURE TO START A NEW OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. LET'S MAYBE FOR STAFF OR LUPITA, IN ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THERE WAS, UH, THE COMMENT ABOUT SOMEONE GETTING HIT BY A CAR OR SOME KIND OF ACCIDENT. CAN SOMEONE ADDRESS WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT? IF ANYONE KNOWS? LIKE, IS THERE, IS THERE A PD REPORT OR ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO SEE? I, I CAN ADDRESS THAT. UH, CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, A NOTICE OF CLAIM WAS FILED AGAINST THIS CITY. UM, A A, UM, UH, LET'S SEE, A, A MOTHER OF SOME STUDENTS WAS DRIVING, UH, SOUTHBOUND ON BREWER ROAD AND TURNED LEFT INTO THE PARKING LOT, UH, HEADED TO PICK UP HER STUDENTS IN FRONT OF A MOTORCYCLE. AND THE MOTORCYCLE, UM, COLLIDED WITH THE, THE VEHICLE TURNING LEFT. SO, UH, IT WAS THE, THE, THE MINIVAN DRIVER WAS WHEN THEY RECEIVED THE TICKET. UH, THE MOTORCYCLIST IS ALLEGING THAT BREWER ROAD IS DEFECTIVE IN ITS DESIGN. UM, THE CITY'S DENIED THAT AND THEY HAVEN'T NOT FILED A LAWSUIT TO THIS POINT. WE'VE JUST RECEIVED A NOTICE OF CLAIM, WHICH WE'VE DENIED AND SO THERE'S BEEN NO FURTHER, UH, ACTION ON THAT CLAIM. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER ZAKK IS, UH, IN A LOCATION WHERE THERE'S AN ELECTRICAL STORM, SO SHE'S TRYING TO RECONNECT, SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T SEE HER UP THERE. IT'S SO WE ARE BODY OF SIX RIGHT NOW. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS UP HERE? I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, THE PART THAT IS, UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UM, OR WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IS THAT A, A LARGE ENOUGH, UH, FOR ALL OF THE STUDENTS OR IS THIS FOR PART OF THE STUDENTS? ALL OF THE STUDENTS. ALL OF THE STUDENTS. OKAY. UM, AND THEN DID YOU WANNA MAKE A PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME? YEAH, I DID. I HAVE A STATEMENT? YEAH, SHORT, JUST STAY RIGHT THERE. YEAH. CAN YOU MOVE THE MIC? I'M CLOSER TO, CAN YOU NOT HEAR ME OVER? THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY TO DISCUSS OUR CONDITIONAL USE USE PERMIT APPLICATION. MY NAME IS GUADALUPE P*****K, A 35 YEAR SEDONA RESIDENT. I AM THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHAIR AT RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL AND ONE OF THE ORIGINAL FOUNDING MEMBERS. WE ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL, SPONSORED BY CHRIST CENTER WESLEYAN CHURCH TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION ON THE L R D EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT FIVE 80 BREWER ROAD. IN OUR NAMES. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF REMODELING THE BUILDING. WE RE RECENTLY PURCHASED AT 1 0 5 NAVAJO DRIVE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS CONTRACTOR AND TREATS PEOPLE AVAILABILITY AND CONTINUED FUNDRAISING. FUNDRAISING NEEDS NECESSITATE THAT WE REMAIN AT THE CHURCH FOR NOW. IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE OF THE MORE, UH, SORRY. ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS FOR NEIGHBORS IS THE SCHOOL BEING GRANTED A C O P WITHOUT A DEFINED TIMELINE, WE WILL DEFER TO THE OFFICIALS AS TO WHAT THEY FEEL IS THE BEST TIMELINE, INCLUDING A NON-LIMITING EXPIRATION DATE IF THEY SEE FIT. WE DO HOPE THAT ALL PRESENT AND HISTORICAL INFORMATION [00:35:01] IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN MAKING THIS DECISION, ESPECIALLY THE CITY'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION. WE REALIZE THIS IS NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION FOR ALL INVOLVED, INCLUDING RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL ITSELF. HOWEVER, WE ARE DILIGENTLY WORKING TOWARD OUR GOAL AND STILL NEED AN INTERIM LOCATION SO THE SCHOOL DOES NOT HAVE TO CLOSE. AND WHILE IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NOISE OF CHILDREN IS A NUISANCE TO A MINORITY GROUP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WE DO TRY TO MITIGATE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD REASON TO CLOSE A SCHOOL. THERE ARE MANY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE ENJOYED SEEING AND HEARING CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL REMAINING WHERE IT IS UNTIL WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE OUR APPROXIMATELY 40 RESIDENT FAMILIES HAVE COME TO COUNT ON RUNNING RIVER SCHOOLS. THEIR CHILD'S EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION AND OUR FULL AND PART-TIME STAFF HAVE COME TO COUNT ON US AS THEIR LIVELIHOOD. OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITIES, LOCAL RESIDENTS WHO ARE BUSINESS OWNERS, RESTAURATEURS, HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND SERVICE PROFESSIONALS, DOCTORS, TOURISM PROFESSIONALS, REALTORS, FINE ARTISTS, EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDERS, DESIGNERS, ET CETERA, SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION. THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS PUT ITSELF FORWARD IN ITS OWN COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, 10 YEARS AGO AS A CITY THAT SUPPORTS FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN, YOUTH, AND EDUCATION OF THE YOUTH AS AN IMPORTANT AND INTEGRAL PART OF THE SOCIAL, SOCIAL FABRIC OF SEDONA. WE HOPE THE COMMISSION AGREES THAT ALL FAMILIES, CHILDREN, SEDONAS, WORKFORCE AND SCHOOLS ARE VALUABLE ENOUGH TO THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL THE BRIDGE IT NEEDS TO REACH ITS DESTINATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND I HAVE ALL OF THESE CARDS. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE ONLY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH YOU TURNED THEM IN. THEY'RE NOT IN ANY SPECIAL ORDER. SO I'LL CALL YOUR, UH, NAME AND THEN I'LL CALL THE SECOND PERSON AND IF THAT SECOND PERSON WILL BE ON DECK, WE CAN KEEP THIS MOVING AGAIN. YOU'LL JUST HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THERE IS A TIMER SET UP, UH, CORRECT. OKAY. AND, UM, THERE'S A WARNING COLOR AND THEN THERE'S THE RED BUZZER. SO THE FIRST PERSON, UM, IS KAT MASSEY, FOLLOWED BY EILEEN GRANT JR. HI THERE. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. I FORGOT TO SAY IF YOU'LL JUST, EACH OF YOU AS YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. UH, MY NAME IS CATHERINE MASSEY. I AM A SEDONA RESIDENT. I'M A PARENT OF TWO CHILDREN AT RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL. I AM ALSO ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AS WELL. UM, I APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A CHOICE WITH WHERE MY CHILDREN GO TO SCHOOL, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I MOVED TO SEDONA WAS NOT ONLY FOR THE BEAUTY AND THE WONDERFUL COMMUNITY THAT WE FIND OURSELVES WITHIN, BUT ALSO A SCHOOL AS WAL AS THIS WALDORF SCHOOL THAT, UM, PROVIDES A, UH, FINANCIALLY ACCESSIBLE, UM, EDUCATION FOR MY CHILDREN, UM, IN A BEAUTIFUL WAY THAT, UH, OTHER SCHOOLS SOMETIMES DON'T IS, UM, DUE IN THE SAME MANNER. UM, AS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, I HAVE SAT UH, WITHIN MEETINGS AND UNDERSTAND CLEARLY THE DIRECTION AND VISION OF THE SCHOOL. I'M ALSO, UM, ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT SOME OF OUR FUNDRAISING EVENTS THAT WE HAVE STARTED TO PUT ON THE CALENDAR AND MOVE TOWARDS. UM, AND WE ALSO DO RECOGNIZE THAT THOUGH THIS IS A, MORE THAN ANYTHING, THIS IS NOT OUR PERMANENT LOCATION. WE ARE SO LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING OUT OF THIS WONDERFUL, AS LU MENTIONED, BRIDGE TO OUR FINAL DESTINATION. BUT BY NO MEANS DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO, UM, STRESS THE RESIDENTS OUT IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY DON'T SEE THE VALUE OF WHAT A SCHOOL LIKE THIS AND FAMILIES LIKE THESE BRING TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I, UH, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR SCHOOL UP AND RUNNING. UM, THE CHILDREN WOULD BE HAPPY FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GREETINGS EILEEN GRANT, JR SIX 30 BUR ROAD. SEDONA, OUR FAMILY HAS HAD TO SUBMIT A LENGTHY WRITTEN COMPLAINT TO THE CITY CALL, UH, CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER STAN DK ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS AND CONTACT RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR LUPITA P*****K A NUMBER OF TIMES AS WELL, [00:40:01] ALL BECAUSE OF THE IRRESOLVABLE NOISE PROBLEM CREATED BY THE SCHOOL AT THE CHRIST CENTER WESLEYAN CHURCH THIS PAST YEAR AND A HALF. WE HAVE ALSO HAD TO FEEL COMPLAINTS FROM OUR LONGTIME TENANT ON SUGARLOAF DRIVE BECAUSE SHE HAS LIKEWISE HAD TO ENDURE THE CONTINUED AND UNCOMFORTABLE SCREAMING AND DI EMANATING FROM THE SCHOOL. NOW THERE IS EVEN A POLICE REPORT VERIFYING THAT A LOCAL MAN HAS BEEN STRUCK AND DISABLED BY A VEHICLE DRIVEN BY A PARENT OF ONE OF THE STUDENTS AT THE CHRIST CENTER WESLEYAN CHURCH PROPERTY. APPARENTLY THIS MAN PLANS TO SUE THE CITY UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES AND WITH ALL GOOD CONSCIENCE, THERE IS NO WAY TO SUPPORT THE ISSUANCE OF A NON TERMINATING CUP TO THE SCHOOL AND THE CHURCH. THERE IS ALSO NO GUARANTEE THAT THE SCHOOL WILL EVER MOVE TO THE BUILDING ON NAVAJO DRIVE. THE SCHOOL NOW CLAIMS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS AND ARE NOT SURE IF AND WHEN THEY WILL HAVE THEM TO COMPLETE THE NAVAJO DRIVE BUILDING RENOVATIONS. IF THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS THE CONFIDENCE THAT THE SCHOOL WILL RAISE THE NECESSARY FUNDS, THEN THE CITY SHOULD GIVE THE SCHOOL A SPECIAL NO INTEREST LOAN AND ASSUME THE LIABILITY FOR THE SCHOOL PAYING IT BACK OVER TIME. THIS WOULD BE A SOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY ON MAY 2ND, THE SCHOOL CLAIMED IF THE FUNDS WERE IN THE BANK AND THE PERMITS WERE ALL APPROVED, WE WOULD BE OUT OF HERE, MEANING THE BREWER ROAD LOCATION IN TWO TO THREE MONTHS. THE CITY SHOULD MAKE THIS HAPPEN SINCE THE SCHOOL HAS STATED THAT IT IS A HARDSHIP FOR THEM TO PAY RENT TO THE WESLEYAN CHURCH AND SIMULTANEOUSLY PAY TO COMPLETE THEIR NAVAJO DRIVE RENOVATIONS. THOSE LIVING IN PROXIMITY TO THE CHURCH SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE PENALIZED BY THE ISSUANCE OF A NON TERMINATING PERMIT BECAUSE THE CITY APPEARS UNWILLING TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER IN A FAIR AND REASONABLE WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THE NEXT TWO PEOPLE, CHRIS FAMI, UH, FOLLOWED BY NATALIE WATSON. NATALIE, IF YOU'RE OUT THERE, IF YOU'LL GET IN LINE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHRIS FARI. I LIVE ON 10 SUGARLOAF DRIVE, ABOUT 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL OR MAYBE 300. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE MORE OPINION ON THE RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL'S. NON TERMINATING CONDITIONAL PERMIT. UNTIL FOUR WEEKS AGO, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE SCHOOL WOULD VACATE THE CHURCH'S PROPERTY AND MOVED TO THEIR NEW PROPERTY UP IN WEST SEDONA ACCORDING TO THEIR LAST PERMIT EXPIRING TO MY SURPRISE, I WAS NOTIFIED DURING THE MEETING ON MAY 2ND HELD AT THE CHURCH THAT THE SCHOOL WAS APPLYING FOR ANOTHER CONDITIONAL PERMIT THIS TIME FOR A NON TERMINATING PERMIT. I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO PEACE AND QUIET. UH, I ALSO WAS TOLD THAT, UH, THE SCHOOL NEEDS TO RAISE ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. IS THAT CORRECT? AND, UH, HERE ARE THE TWO REASONS, UH, WHY I'M SUPPOSED TO GRANTING THE NOISE DURING RECESS AT TIMES IS QUITE EXCESSIVE. THE NOISE IS VERY, VERY BAD. SO MUCH SO THAT IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, I WENT DOWN TO THE SMALL RECESS AREA AT THE SCHOOL TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON. I WATCHED THE CHILDREN CROWDED INTO THE SMALL AREA WITHOUT AN ADULT PRESENT. I, IT WAS A CHAOTIC SCENE WITH CHILDREN YELLING NON-STOCK. A SMALL CHILD WAS UP IN THE TREE. AFTER TWO MINUTES, A STAFF MEMBER CAME FROM THE SCHOOL AND CAME TO PICK UP THE CHILD OUT OF THE TREE AND WENT INTO THE BUILDING. I LEFT AND CALLED THE CHURCH TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NOISE COMING FROM THE SCHOOL. AFTER ALL THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED ON THEIR PROPERTY, THE PASTOR WAS OUT OF TOWN AND THE WOMAN ON THE PHONE GAVE ME THE SCHOOL'S PHONE NUMBER SAYING THAT THE CHURCH IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NOISE. MY SECOND REASON IS THAT OF TRAFFIC SAFETY AROUND THE SCHOOL. [00:45:01] I'M BAFFLED THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SCHOOL LOAN SIGN ON BREWER ROAD, WARNING MOTORISTS TO SLOW DOWN FOR THE PAST ONE AND A HALF YEARS. THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN OPERATING THAT LONG AND THE ROAD IS WINDING AND ONE OF THE SCHOOL'S PARKING LOT IS DANGEROUSLY CLOSED TO THE ROAD. THERE HAS BEEN A STOP SIGN PLACED ON THE NARA JUNIPER LANE, WHICH WAS GREAT AFTER A SERIOUS TRAFFIC ACCIDENT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, MAY, IN MY OPINION A SCHOOL ZONE SIGN SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED ON BREWER. UM, WROTE THE MOMENT THE SCHOOL MOVED INTO THE BUILDING, I HAD AN INCIDENT, NOT AN ACCIDENT, AN INCIDENT WHEN A CAR SWERVED IN FRONT OF ME IN, IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL, AT THE SCHOOL MAKING ME TO AT THE SCHOOL, MAKING ME TO HIT THE BRAKES AND HORN AND, UH, DIDN'T MAKE MY DAY. MS. FAMI, YOUR TIME IS UP. OH, PLEASE, PLEASE, YOUR TIME. YOUR TIME IS UP. WHAT? I'M DONE. YOUR TIME IS UP. OH, OH, THANK YOU. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. ALRIGHT, NEXT TWO SPEAKERS. OH, NATALIE'S UP NOW AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WILL BE ELLEN HILLIARD. GO AHEAD. HI, MY NAME IS NATALIE WATSON. I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA, ARIZONA WITH MY HUSBAND TORI AND OUR THREE BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN, TWO OF WHICH WILL BE, ONE IS ATTENDING AND ONE WILL BE ATTENDING THIS FALL RUNNING RIVER. YOU KNOW, WE OWN A COMPANY CALLED LANDIA THAT STANDS FOR LAND IS OPPORTUNITY AND OUR MISSION IS TO GIVE LAND A VOICE. WE EVEN HELP OTHER PEOPLE REALIZE THEIR LAND DREAMS. WHEN WE WERE FEELING MOVED AND CALLED TO COME TO SEDONA, I HIGHLY RESEARCHED ALL THE EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES OUT IN THE CITY OF SEDONA AND I WAS REALLY MOVED AND I FOUND RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL WHOSE MIS, WHOSE MISSION IS TO AWAKEN EACH CHILD TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL GIFTS, ACADEMIC CONFIDENCE, A SENSE OF WONDER, AND A LIFELONG LOVE OF LEARNING. THIS EDUCATION SPOKE TO MY HEART AND I ENROLLED OUR DAUGHTER AND NOW OUR SON. WE HAVE SEEN SUCH GROWTH IN OUR CHILDREN, BLOSSOMING FRIENDSHIPS AND A STRONG COMMUNITY BOND. I EVEN JOINED THE BOARD THIS YEAR. I ACTUALLY HELPED WITH THE FUNDRAISING. SO THE PLATFORM THAT I ACTUALLY BUILT, YOU CAN GO TO, IT'S CALLED SUPPORT RS.ORG. THERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE ACTUAL FUNDRAISING THAT IS HAPPENING NOW, UM, ALSO WE HAVE THIS NEW FLYER THAT WOULD TELL YOU WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE STILL NEED TO DO SO THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO OUR 1 0 5 NAVAJO DRIVE, UH, PERMANENT LOCATION THAT WILL HOUSE ALL OF OUR STUDENTS' GRADES ONE THROUGH EIGHT. ONE OF THE COMMENTERS OPPOSING THE C P STATED THAT WE HAVE NOT YET COMPLETELY RAISED THE FUNDS FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE BUILDING AT 1 0 5 NAVAJO. YES, THIS IS TRUE. IF WE HAD ALL THE FUNDS NEEDED TO FINISH THE RENOVATION, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE SITTING HERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. THE FAMILIES OF THE CHILDREN THAT ATTEND RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL HAVE MADE TR TREMENDOUS FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION, UM, TO ENRICH THEIR CHILDREN WITH THIS TYPE OF NOURISHING EDUCATION. WE ARE RAISING FUTURE LEADERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR STATE, OUR COUNTRY, AND ALSO, I DARE TO SAY OUR PLANET. IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, OUR BELOVED GERMAN SHEPHERD NAMED SEDONA WENT MISSING. AND WHAT WE EXPERIENCED WAS AN INSPIRATIONAL JOURNEY OF COLLABORATIVE COMMUNITY EFFORT AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TO REUNITE SEDONA WITH OUR FAMILY AT ALL COSTS AFTER 31 DAYS RELENTLESS SEARCHING, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL, BUT NOT ONLY US, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY AND THE SUPPORT THAT WE RECEIVED. OUR FAMILY, THE SEDONA RESCUE WAS ACTUALLY HONORED HERE BY MAYOR SCOTT JALO, ALSO, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FOR OUR SEARCH AND RESCUE EFFORTS. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I'M ASKING EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT, LISTENING ONLINE ARE APPROXIMATELY 40 FAMILIES AND 60 CHILDREN. NOT AS IMPORTANT AS ONE MISSING DOG. WE HEAR MUCH TALK ABOUT THERE BEING A LACK OF FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN IN SEDONA, BUT THERE ARE RS FAMILIES THAT MOVE TO THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY TO HAVE THEIR CHILDREN ATTEND THIS WALDORF INSPIRED SCHOOL. HAVE YOU EVER DONE BUSINESS WITH, WITH SEDONA WATERWORKS OR VISITED TRUE WEST HATS? HAVE YOU DINED AT CREEKSIDE MESA GRILL RASCAL OR RENEE? HAVE YOU HAD AN APPOINTMENT WITH VERDE VALLEY NATUROPATHIC MEDICINE? SEDONA NATUROPATHIC, JUST SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF US GREAT BUSINESS OWNERS OUT HERE THAT HAVE WONDERFUL CHILDREN. PLEASE GIVE US A CHANCE TO STAY IN THIS WONDERFUL LOCATION UNTIL WE FINISH THE FUNDRAISING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. BLESSINGS TO YOU ALL. GREETINGS CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS ELLEN HILLIARD. I JUST [00:50:01] RECENTLY MARRIED, SO NOW MY LAST NAME HAS ALSO GOT HYPHEN MC MCLEOD. AT THE END I WAS THIS YEAR'S SIXTH GRADE TEACHER AND NEXT YEAR I'LL BE NEXT YEAR'S SEVENTH GRADE TEACHER. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WALDORF EDUCATION, WE TAKE OUR CHILDREN UP THROUGH THE GRADES. SO I STARTED WITH THIS CLASS AFTER GRADUATING IN AN EIGHTH GRADE CLASS AND TOOK THEM AT SIXTH AND I SHOULD BE TAKING THEM THROUGH EIGHTH. UM, AND WE DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET TO KNOW THOSE CHILDREN AND REALLY UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THEIR GIFTS ARE AND WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE SO WE CAN TAKE THEM IN AS HOLISTIC AWAY AS POSSIBLE. UM, THE TIMES IN WHICH I BELIEVE THE NOISE IS THE WORST AT OUR SCHOOL IS DURING RECESS. THAT'S FROM 10 45 TO 1115 AND 1245 TO ONE O'CLOCK. UM, THAT IT IS CERTAINLY NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION TO BE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, BUT IT IS AN ABSOLUTE BLESSING. I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER PLACE THAT HAS BEEN, WOULD BE AS HOSPITABLE AND GENEROUS AND UM, OFFERS SUCH A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE FOR THE KIDS EVEN THOUGH OUR CLASS SIZES ARE EXCEEDING THE SIZE OF THE CLASSROOMS. THE FOUNDER OF WALDOCK EDUCATION, ROL STEINER SAID REALLY IT ISN'T THE PLACE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR A SCHOOL, IT'S THE TEACHERS. AND I FEEL THAT OUR SCHOOL HAS REALLY ATTRACTED AND A AMAZING GROUP OF TEACHERS, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE, UH, HAVE SUCH A SMALL SPOT TO PUT OUR CHILDREN IN. AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO NAVAJO. THERE HAPPENS TO BE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AND I CAN SAY HAVING BEEN THE RECESS TEACHER THAT IS ON DUTY, THE CONSTRUCTION IS SO MUCH LOUDER THAN THE CHILDREN. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION WAS WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SITUATION THAT THIS WOMAN HAD, BUT WE USUALLY HAVE TWO, I SHOULD SAY WE ALWAYS HAVE TWO INSTRUCTORS IN EACH LOCATION. THE UPPER GRADES TAKE, UH, THE CHILDREN ACROSS THE WAY AND WE DO HIKING. AND THE LOWER GRADES ARE IN THE SMALL PLAYGROUND AND THAT'S FIRST THROUGH THIRD. SO, UM, I GUESS I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, IF YOU HAVEN'T EVER BEEN TO THE SCHOOL, I CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU. MY CLASSROOM IS OPEN WITHOUT ANY NOTICE. YOU CAN COME AT ANY TIME AND SEE WHAT WE DO. WE HAVE AN AMAZING EDUCATION, WE'RE FREE OF COMPUTERS. WE DON'T DO STANDARDIZED TESTING. WE ADDRESS THE HEART OF THE CHILD AND WE HAVE AMAZING PRESENTATIONS. I INVITE YOU TO OUR SHAKESPEARE PLAY, WHICH SIXTH AND SEVENTH GRADERS WILL BE DOING THIS YEAR. UH, COMEDY OF ERRORS. SO IT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL SCHOOL. WE ARE IN A BEAUTIFUL CHURCH OFFERED BY A WONDERFUL, UH, GROUP OF PEOPLE TO KEEP US HERE. AND I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHERE WOULD WE GO IF WE COULDN'T STAY AT THIS CHURCH WHILE OUR CONSTRUCTION'S HAPPENING? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT TWO PIECE PEOPLE ARE JASON LAWRENCE, FOLLOWED BY KAN LACI. HELLO CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIRMAN STAFF. MY NAME'S JASON LAWRENCE. I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST SIX YEARS NOW. UH, THANK YOU FOR JUST SUPPORTING OUR KIDS FIRST AND FOREMOST HERE AS A CITY. UM, AND I HAVE A SON GOING INTO SEVENTH GRADE WITH MISS ELLEN AND A THIRD GRADE DAUGHTER AND WE MOVED TO SEDONA FOR RUNNING RIVER. THAT WAS OUR FIRST CHOICE. AND WHY, EXCUSE ME, I ALWAYS GET CHOKED UP CAUSE IT'S EXCITING, UM, BECAUSE IT'S SEDONA. LIKE THIS TOWN IS AMAZING, THE PARK SYSTEM, THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL. SO YOU KNOW, I JUST STAND UP HERE ON BEHALF OF ALL THE KIDS JUST ASKING FOR MORE TIME. THAT'S SIMPLY WHAT WE NEED, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. HELLO, I AM KITEN BLASI AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. UH, SO I HAVE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE. MY PARENTS MOVED HERE, UH, IN 1999 AND THEY OWN A HOME AND A COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE WHERE MY MOM IS A PRACTICING NATUROPATHIC DOCTOR. I BEGAN MY EDUCATION WITH MISS CHARITY AT RED EARTH WALDORF KINDERGARTEN AND I WAS THERE FOR AROUND THREE YEARS. MY PARENTS LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT PARENTING AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT THROUGH MISS CHARITY'S WALDORF EDUCATION AND SO RUNNING RIVER WAS THE NATURAL NEXT STEP FOR ME. I HAVE ATTENDED FIRST THROUGH SEVENTH GRADE AT RUNNING RIVER AND I HAVE HAD THREE DIFFERENT MAIN TEACHERS, MISS ANNA, MISS RUBY, AND MISS M ALONG WITH NUMEROUS SPECIALS TEACHERS. THESE TEACHERS HAVE ALL INFLUENCED WHAT I HAVE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HAVE ENCOURAGED MY LOVE FOR LEARNING. THE EDUCATION AT RUNNING RIVER FOCUSES ON THE HEART, HANDS, AND HEAD. THIS EXPERIENCE HAS HELPED DEFINE WHO I AM TODAY AND ENCOURAGES AND GUIDES ME TO BE SO MUCH MORE. MY SISTER WILL BEGIN HER FIRST YEAR AT [00:55:01] RUNNING RIVER THIS YEAR. I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A MENTOR FOR HER GRADE AND WATCHING THEM GROW INTO KIND, UH, COMPASSIONATE AND SOCIALLY CONNECTED INDIVIDUALS. I LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN RUNNING RIVER CAN MOVE INTO ITS OWN BUILDING. BUT UNTIL THEN, I AM THANKFUL FOR THE WESLEYAN CHURCH AND THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ALLOWING OUR SCHOOL TO CONTINUE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EMILY MOR AND PATRICIA POP. HELLO. SORRY I'M A LITTLE EMOTIONAL. THAT'S BEEN ONE OF MY STUDENTS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT JUST SPOKE AND I'M ALWAYS VERY PROUD OF HIM. MY NAME IS EMILY MOORE. I LIVE IN SEDONA, ARIZONA. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME SPEAK ON BEHALF OF SEDONA AND ALSO THE RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL COMMUNITY. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 2017. I'VE BEEN A TEACHER FOR A DECADE AND I'VE WORKED AT RUNNING RIVER FOR THREE YEARS. I JUST GRADUATED OUR EIGHTH GRADE CLASS, UM, TWO WEEKS AGO AND DECIDED TO TAKE A BREAK FROM TEACHING COMING INTO THIS YEAR. I ALSO HAVE A FIVE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WHO WILL BE JOINING RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL IN ONE YEAR'S TIME. THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS SCHOOL TO ME IS THAT THERE'S NOT ANOTHER OPTION FOR THESE CHILDREN. THERE'S NOT ANOTHER OPTION FOR THESE FAMILIES. THE STRUCTURE, PHILOSOPHY, CULTURE THAT RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL OFFERS IS NOT ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE LOCAL CHARTER OR WEST SEDONA SCHOOL. I COULD STAND UP HERE AND GIVE YOU GUYS A THREE HOUR SEMINAR ABOUT WHY WALDORF EDUCATION IS DIFFERENT, BUT I HAVE THREE MINUTES. SO LET ME SIMPLIFY. UM, A 60 STUDENT CLASSROOM AT CHARTER WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONDUCIVE TO ANY OF THE 18 MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT I TAUGHT THIS PAST YEAR FROM A SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL, SENSORY OR ACADEMIC LENS. FURTHERMORE, AS A PAST SCHOOL TEST COORDINATOR FOR THE STATE OF ARIZONA, MY PERCEPTION IS THAT THE ELEMENTARY STATE TESTING THAT IS REQUIRED BY BOTH THE CHARTER AND PUBLIC SCHOOL AND TOWN IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO ANY STUDENTS WITH SOCIAL OR EMOTIONAL NEEDS. AS AN EDUCATIONAL SPECIALIST AND PARENT, I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW THE SMALL CLASSROOM SIZES, NATURE IMMERSION AND ART FOUNDATIONS INCLUDING PAINTING, MUSIC AND THEATER ARE IMPERATIVE TO THESE CHILDREN AND WHAT OUR SCHOOL OFFERS MY OWN CHILD WILL BE ENTERING AS I MENTIONED IN A YEAR'S TIME BETWEEN US, HER FATHER AND I, WE'VE WORKED AT ALL THREE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN TOWN AND FROM OUR UM, EXPERIENCE AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN PART OF OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS, RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL IS THE ONLY OPTION FOR OUR CHILD. AND SO OUR ALTERNATIVE FOR US WOULD BE TO LEAVE SEDONA AND WE LOVE SEDONA AND DON'T WANNA MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU GUYS ALL SEE THAT THE FAMILIES ARE REALLY THE FOUNDATION AND THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THAT WE NEED ALL OF THESE FAMILIES HERE. UM, HER FATHER IS A LICENSED CONSTRUCTION WORKER HERE AND I WORK WITH UM, YOGA TEACHER TRAININGS IN TALENT, BRINGING IN UM, HUNDREDS OF WOMEN EACH YEAR. AND THESE ARE JUST TWO PARENTS OUT OF THE MANY AMAZING FAMILIES HERE. SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY, I'VE SEEN RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL GET THROUGH ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH, WHICH HAS BEEN A LOT AND I'VE BEEN PART OF THAT AND IT HAS BEEN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, UM, STRESS FOR THE PARENTS, FOR THE FAMILIES, FOR THE TEACHERS. AND I KNOW THAT OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS THEY'VE GOT THROUGH EVERYTHING AND I KNOW THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. SO MY HOPE FOR ALL OF YOU IS THAT YOU NOT ONLY HELP THIS SCHOOL TO SURVIVE AS THEY HAVE BEEN, BUT ULTIMATELY ALLOW THEM TO THRIVE BY SUPPORTING THEM AND SUPPORTING ALL THESE FAMILIES HERE. SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE RENEWAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS PATRICIA POP AND I LIVE AT 30 ROADRUNNER LANE HERE IN SEDONA. UM, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU LIVE ON BREWER ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE THE OCCASION TO GO UP AND DOWN BREWER ROAD CONSTANTLY. ROADRUNNER IS OFF OF BREWER ROAD. I HAVE LONG-TERM RENTAL RIGHT OFF OF JUNIPER LANE WHERE THE CHURCH IS. I AM SURPRISED THAT THE STAFF IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU GUYS WERE PROVIDED DIDN'T MENTION THE POLICE REPORT FOR THE ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENED ON MAY 3RD, 2022. IT'S A FILED POLICE REPORT. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. I DON'T KNOW IF THE STAFF HAS SAT ON JUNIPER LANE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT OR RIGHT TURN WHEN PARENTS ARE DROPPING OFF KIDS OR PICKING THEM UP. IT IS A NARROW ROAD JUNIPER THAT IS BREWERS JUST BARELY WIDE ENOUGH. THE CHURCH IS SITUATED ON A BLIND CURVE. I AM HONESTLY SURPRISED THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE ACCIDENT. AND TO BE HONEST, JUST BECAUSE THERE HAVEN'T BEEN MORE COMPLAINTS FILED DOESN'T MEAN THERE HAVE NOT BEEN INCIDENTS. SO IF YOU GUYS REALLY WANNA GIVE THIS A FULL, UM, VETTING, THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. I HAVE LISTENED TO THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SCHOOL. IT SOUNDS FABULOUS. I MEAN THE SCHOOL, UH, EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAYS, THESE KIDS AND THESE PARENTS ARE SO IMPRESSIVE. HOWEVER, THE TRAFFIC IS A BIG [01:00:01] PROBLEM. SO IF YOU CONSIDER GIVING THEM A CUP, PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE AN EXPIRATION DATE SO THAT WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT OF THERE. IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ALL OF US TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO THE PARENTS WE HAVE, UM, NOW WE HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE AREA. THEY DRIVE QUICKLY. WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS ON BREWER WHO ACT LIKE IT'S A HIKING TRAIL. DRIVING ON BREWER IS SOMETHING WE ALL HAVE TO DO CAUTIOUSLY ANYWAY AND WHEN WE GET BY THE SCHOOL IT'S EVEN WORSE. SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION. I HOPE SCHOOL CONTINUES TO GO CUZ THEY SOUND FANTASTIC, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE HAS TO BE A LIMIT ON THIS CUP AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE A TIME BY WHICH THEY CAN GET THEIR FUNDS RAISED. I'M HOPING YOU HAVE A GRANT WRITER THAT YOU GUYS COULD HIRE TO GET TO GET FUNDS. BUT ANYWAY, SOMETHING MORE NEEDS TO HAPPEN, I THINK TO INCENTIVIZE THE SCHOOL SO THAT IF THIS IS NOT PLACED ON THE BURDEN, UH, OR THE THE BURDEN IS NOT PLACED ON THE SHOULDER OF THE RESIDENCE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. APRIL. SELMAN, SELMAN AND MEGAN HELLO, MY NAME IS APRIL SELMAN AND I LIVE IN VILLE. UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. UH, I, MY FAMILY AND I MOVED HERE TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. UM, AND WE LEFT COLORADO AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE WE WERE GONNA LAND. MY PARENTS LIVE IN MESA AND WE WERE UPROOTED BY COVID AND WE LOOKED AT ALL THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND THE ONLY REASON WE CHOSE SEDONA WAS BECAUSE OF RUNNING RIVER. WE ARE A FAMILY THAT HAS ALWAYS GONE TO WALDORF SCHOOLS AND WE REALLY VALUE THE ART, UM, AND THE WHOLE CHILD PERSPECTIVE OF TEACHING OUR JOB CHILDREN. AND, UM, I NOW HAVE A THIRD GRADER AND A SEVENTH GRADER AND, UH, IT'S REALLY THE ONLY ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN THRIVE. UM, AND WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. I'M A BUSINESS OWNER. I OWN A BUSINESS. I OPENED IT HERE IN SEDONA UPTOWN. UM, WE ARE HAT MAKERS AND WE DO CUSTOM HATS AT TRUE WEST HATS. I ALSO HAVE A HISTORY OF, UM, HIGH-END, UM, NATIONAL NONPROFIT FUNDRAISING. AND I HAVE RECENTLY OFFERED NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR BUSINESS UP AND GOING, UM, TO REDO THE WEBSITE AS, AS MS. LUO WAS, UM, SAYING THAT SOMEONE WAS WORKING ON IT. YES, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I AGREE TOO THAT THE WEBSITE IS SIGNIFICANTLY OUTDATED. UM, BUT THERE'S A TEAM OF US THAT, UM, HAVE BEEN GETTING TOGETHER AND, AND PASSING IDEAS AND WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE. UM, AND AS WELL AS WORKING ON THE WHOLE FUNDRAISING PROGRAM. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, LUPITA AND THE STAFF, UM, HAVE BEEN CONCENTRATING ON, NOT UNFORTUNATELY I APPRECIATE IT. THEY'RE CONCENTRATING ON MAKING SURE OUR CHILDREN ARE TAKEN CARE OF AND OBVIOUSLY DOING ALL THE OTHER MILLIONS OF ACTIVITIES AND THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND, UM, SO I KNOW IT'S A VERY MUCH VOLUNTEER ARRANGEMENT FOR OUR SCHOOL AND WE ALL ARE TRYING TO PUT IN AS MUCH EFFORT AS WE CAN. AND, UH, THIS IS A, A SPOT WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO ALL COME TOGETHER, THAT WE ARE ALL COMING TOGETHER AND RAISING THE FUNDS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AT THE, AT THE MOMENT. AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO IT. I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF UP THAT THERE'S NOT, UH, THAT WE'RE SO FAR BEHIND, BUT TRUTHFULLY, UM, WITH SOME REALLY CONCENTRATED EFFORTS AND WITH US GETTING OUT IN THE SEDONA COMMUNITY WITH THE EVENTS THAT WE ARE PLANNING, UM, IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF SHARING WITH PEOPLE OUR NEED. AND, UH, I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN DO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME'S MEGAN . UM, I LIVE IN SEDONA AND I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SEDONA. UM, MY HUSBAND HAS ALSO BEEN IN SEDONA SINCE HE WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD. UH, HE'S A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC WITH SEDONA FIRE. AND I HAVE WORKED, I'VE BEEN ON ACTUALLY TWO CITY COMMISSIONS AND WORKED, UM, WITH SEDONA RECYCLES AND I WORK IN LOCAL FOOD PRODUCTION. UM, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN AT RUNNING RIVER, ONE GOING INTO FOURTH GRADE AND ONE GOING INTO SEVENTH. AND EVERYBODY'S SAID PLENTY ABOUT WHY THE SCHOOL IS FABULOUS. UM, MY HUSBAND AND I AND MY SISTER-IN-LAW ATTENDED LITERALLY EVERY SCHOOL THAT EXISTS IN SEDONA. SO I'VE GOTTEN THE FULL TASTE OF EVERYTHING. THIS FEELS RIGHT FOR US. UM, BUT MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST ASK THAT WE, WE DO HAVE THIS EXTENSION SO THAT WE HAVE THE TIME TO GET INTO OUR NEW LOCATION. I AM ALSO ASSISTING WITH, WITH FUNDRAISING WHEREVER I CAN. I USED TO HEAD OUR FUNDRAISING COMMITTEE, AND WE HAVE A [01:05:01] REALLY PASSIONATE COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. WE ARE NOT GIVING UP, LIKE WE JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME AND SUPPORT, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT. AND, UM, IN REFERENCE TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE BLIND CURVE THERE CAN BE A LITTLE SCARY. I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD ATTEST TO THAT AND I, I PERSONALLY WOULD SUPPORT SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS OR A SPEED BUMP OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WOULD HELP IN THAT AREA. UM, BUT I KNOW ALL OF US PARENTS TRY TO STAGGER OUR TIMES AND, AND REALLY LIMIT OUR IMPACT ON, ON THE NEIGHBORS AND TO DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT AND BE RESPECTFUL. AND, UM, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO DO OUR BEST IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHRISTOPHER CAM AND KEVIN DUNLAP. I'M CHRISTOPHER KANE. UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND HERE AND, AND TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR STORY. WE ARE ACTUALLY A NEW FAMILY THAT HAS JUST MOVED TO THE AREA. WE CAME FROM WASHINGTON STATE AND VISITED THE AREA IN OUR FIFTH WHEEL. AND THE TIME THAT WE HAD HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, WE WERE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THE, THE RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL AND IT REALLY HELPED US WORK INTO THE COMMUNITY AND GET, GET INVOLVED. UM, IT'S BEEN A TRUE BLESSING TO OUR FAMILY. IN FACT, ONCE WE, ONCE WE HAD MET THE, THE, THE SCHOOL AND THE COMMUNITY, WE, WE MOVED BACK, PACKED UP ALL OUR BELONGINGS AND MOVED BACK HERE SO THAT WE COULD BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN A HUGE BLESSING TO, UH, OUR THREE KIDS WE HAVE WHO ARE SITTING THERE IN THE BACK, KELVIN, CODY, AND EMERSON. AND THEIR HEARTS ARE JUST BLOSSOMING AND THEIR SOULS ARE BLOOMING FROM THE EXPERIENCES THAT THEY'VE HAD AT THE SCHOOL. AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH, WITH THE OTHERS ASKED FOR THE EXTENSION, YOU KNOW, THE, I SEE THE SCHOOL NEW, COMING NEW INTO THE AREA, UM, JUST GETTING READY TO BLOSSOM AND IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO NOT ALLOW AN EXTENSION FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO, TO SEE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF GROWTH WITH THE, WITH THE SCHOOL AND THE MOMENTUM THAT, THAT IT CURRENTLY HAS. SO, AGAIN, FROM THE HEART, THANK YOU. AND, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS KEVIN DUNLAP. I RESIDE AT, UH, 65 SIERRA ROAD IN SEDONA. I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU HOW LONG I'VE LIVED HERE, CUZ IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'M HERE, UH, TO SAY I SUPPORT THE RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL AND I, I COMMEND THE PARENTS AND ALL THE WORK THEY DO AND THE TEACHERS. I SUPPORT THE KIDS. MY WIFE AND I HAVE SUPPORTED LOCAL SCHOOLS OUR ENTIRE LIFE HERE IN SEDONA. SO, IN MY OPINION, THIS CONVERSATION IS REALLY NOT ABOUT RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL, IT'S ABOUT A LAND USE DECISION AT THAT LOCATION, A LAND USE DECISION. I AM REALLY SURPRISED AFTER TALKING TO STAFF THAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING A PERMANENT C U P I CHOSE TWO YEARS AGO TO NOT COME OUT IN OPPOSITION IN DEFERENCE TO THE SCHOOL BECAUSE I KNEW THE PLIGHT THEY WERE IN. AND IT WAS A TEMPORARY SITUATION AND I OPTED NOT TO COME OUT IN OPPOSITION. I'M BUILDING A HOME AT 6 51 BURR AND IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND I FEEL THAT THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH THE SCHOOL IN THAT LOCATION. THE INDIVIDUAL WHO GOT SERIOUSLY INJURED IS A PERSONAL FRIEND AND AN EMPLOYEE OF MINE. SO IT CONCERNED ME WHAT HAPPENED THERE. SECONDLY, I LOVE CHILDREN, BUT IT ISN'T, THERE IS A NOISE ISSUE THERE. THE SCHOOL HAS NO BUFFER ZONES. I LIVED ON BUR ROAD. I I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL NEEDS TO HAVE A HOME. I WOULD SUPPORT IN HELPING THE SCHOOL GET RELOCATED, BUT I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF A PERMANENT C U P AND I WILL OPPOSE IT VERY STRONGLY. THE TRAFFIC IS VERY BAD RIGHT THERE. I RESIDED FOR SIX YEARS AT 6 71. IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE SCHOOL. PEOPLE DON'T OBSERVE THE SPEED LIMIT. THE ONLY SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS ARE DOWN AT THE OLD SCHOOL WHERE THE, THE SCHOOL GOT BOOTED OUT [01:10:01] FROM. THERE'S STILL A SCHOOL ZONE 15 LIMIT ZONE THERE, BUT NOT ONE AT THE RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL. IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. IT'S A BLIND CURVE. THERE'S NO SIGNAGE. THE RANGER ROAD, BREWER ROAD SITUATION IS A NIGHTMARE FOR ANYBODY WHO GOES IN AND OUT OF THERE. AT TIMES ADDING MORE TRAFFIC TO BREWER ROAD RIGHT NOW IS A BAD IDEA. THE CHURCH IS THERE. THE CHURCH SHOULD REMAIN. WHY WOULD YOU RECOMMEND A PERMANENT C U P? IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER IF THE RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL NEEDS SOME MORE TIME TO GET IT TOGETHER AND GET RELOCATED. I SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T WANNA SEE THEM. I, I I SUPPORT THE CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL AND, AND THE ALTERNATIVE, BUT NOT IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THIS SCHOOL IS, IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE SCHOOL. SO I WILL HELP THE SCHOOL. I'LL WORK WITH DAN, I'LL, I'LL HELP YOU GET YOUR PERMIT. I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR. I'VE BEEN A CONTRACTOR FOR 30 YEARS IN, IN THIS TOWN. I'LL HELP YOU, BUT THIS, YOU CAN, YOUR TIME IS UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE MY, YOUR OPPORTUNITY, NULF. I BELIEVE THE NEXT PERSON IS RALF FUNK. UM, FOLLOWED BY GENEVIEVE. I'M NOT GONNA TRY THAT LAST NAME. FEN. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SAY A FEW WORDS. UH, I'M RAW FUNK. I LIVE IN SEDONA OR VO O C AND I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF CHRIST SET OF CHURCH. UH, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION FOR 25 YEARS AS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR. I KNOW THE PERMIT SITUATION. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF GETTING PLANS APPROVED OR RED STAMPED SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY WITH A, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, SITUATION. SO SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS SAY TAKE TIME, ESPECIALLY DURING THE PANDEMIC WE HAD GONE THROUGH. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE SETBACK THERE, BUT, UH, I WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE EXCITED AS A CHURCH TO HAVE THE CHILDREN THERE. UH, THE NOISE THEY MAKE HAS NOT BEEN AS LOUD AS THE CONSTRUCTION NOISE. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, PASTOR ART, I'LL HAVE TO SPEAK FOR HIM. HE SITS IN HIS OFFICE AND HE SAYS, WHAT A JOY TO JUST HEAR THE CHILDREN AROUND IN SCHOOL. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE GONNA MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TIME IT TAKES FOR THEM TO GET IN THEIR NEW, UH, BUILDING. AND WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE CHILDREN NEED TO GROW JUST LIKE CHURCHES AND HOMES NEED TO BUILD TO BUILD THEIR COMMUNITY AND HAVE A GOOD SUCCESSFUL LIFE AHEAD OF THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO, GOOD EVENING. I'M GENEVIE EVERGEN. I'M A 10 YEAR RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I HAVE TWO YOUNG CHILDREN AT RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL. WELL USED TO BE YOUNG. SHE'S GOING INTO SEVENTH GRADE NOW. I'M ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE FOUR RESTAURANTS IN TOWN, AND I'VE BEEN A REALTOR SINCE 2015. I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER OF RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS. UM, I AM O OBVIOUSLY IN SUPPORT OF EXTENDING OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BREWER ROAD. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SHARE SOME EVENTS THAT ARE COMING UP AND WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY EXTEND AN INVITATION. UM, THE 28TH OF THIS MONTH, WE WILL BE AT THE MARY FISHER THEATER, UH, FOR A NIGHT OF INTRODUCTION TO, UH, NOT ONLY WALDORF EDUCATION, BUT OUR SCHOOL AND OUR NAVAJO PROJECT. AND, UM, I WAS FORTUNATE TO, UH, MAKE THE CONNECTION WITH PATRICK AT THE SEDONA FILM FESTIVAL WHILE ATTENDING, UM, SOME NON-PROFIT ROUND TABLES AND CLASSES IN ADDITION TO, UM, CLASSES ON HOW TO CONNECT MORE WITH ALL OF THE, UM, NON-PROFITS IN TOWN. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A FARM TO TABLE EVENT COMING UP THIS SEPTEMBER THAT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT. AND THEN WE'RE ALREADY IN TALKS [01:15:01] WITH A LOCAL FINE ARTIST WHO IS WILLING TO, UM, PUT ON, WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON A SHOW FOR HER AND SHE'S GOING TO DONATE THE, THE EARNINGS FROM THAT TO RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL. AND THAT WON'T BE TILL NEXT SPRING, UM, BECAUSE SHE NEEDS TO ACTUALLY COMPLETE SOME OF THE WORK. BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS WELL. UH, ALL OF WHICH I'D BE HAPPY TO EXTEND AN INVITATION AND BE DELIGHTED FOR YOU TO COME AND PARTICIPATE. UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'D LOVE TO SHARE OUR NAVAJO SITE AND BUILDING WITH YOU. UM, I'D LOVE TO WALK YOU AROUND, SHOW YOU OUR VISION, EXPLAIN WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, AND REALLY GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE CREATING, UH, IN OUR NAVAJO LOCATION. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE TWO LAST CARDS. UM, NATHAN HANSEN, FOLLOWED BY ANTHONY . GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE MEMBERS. PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE UNTIL AFTERWARDS. . UM, MY NAME'S NATE HANSEN. I'M AN EDUCATOR OF 15 YEARS. I LIVE IN RUM ROCK, BUT I'M A CO-FOUNDER OF RUNNING RIVER, AND LAST YEAR HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING A PART-TIME EDUCATOR THERE, AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S NIGHT AND DAY. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES I'VE EVER TAUGHT. UH, IN SUPPORT OF RUNNER OVER SCHOOL, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TWO TOPICS, CONSCIOUSNESS AND IDENTITY. FIRST OFF, IF I NEED TO DEFINE CONSCIOUSNESS, I'VE MORE THAN LIKELY ALREADY LOST ONE'S ATTENTION. BUT FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND THAT INNER COMPASS AND CONNECTION TO SOMETHING OUTSIDE ONESELF THAT HELPS DEFINE ONE'S INNER SELF, THEN I PLEA TO YOU THAT THIS SCHOOL FOSTERS THIS GROWTH AND INHIBITS YOUTH FROM FALLING ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL OF THEIR SOUL THAT SO MANY TEND TO DO. IT IS ABSENT INDOCTRINATION OR ANY CLOSED MINDEDNESS THAT IS PREVALENT IN SOCIETY, AND INSTEAD INCREASES THE CAPACITY TO DISCERN MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES. LEARNING HOW TO THINK VERSUS WHAT TO THINK. ALL OF THAT MIGHT SEEM LIKE SOME ESOTERIC NONSENSE OR A WOOWOO ACCOUNT OF SOMETHING INTANGIBLE. BUT I TELL YOU, IT IS VERY REAL. WE ARE NOT A SCHOOL THAT IS REINVENTING THE WHEEL, RATHER DISCOUNTING THE WHEEL BECAUSE IT IS OBSOLETE. WE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE BUSINESS AS USUAL IS NOT WORKING. HOWEVER, OUR BUSINESS RATHER OUR LIVELIHOOD IS FINDING SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE VERY COMMUNITY IN WHICH YOU GOVERN. THIS BRINGS ME TO IDENTITY. PERSONALLY, I'M NOT A BIG BELIEVER IN IDENTITY. I THINK THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE USE TO DEFINE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T NEED A DEFINITION. IT CAN PUT, UH, UH, I'M SORRY, IT PUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEVER NEED A DEFINITION IN A BOX THAT CAN BE LIMITING AND SUFFOCATING. HOWEVER, IF SEDONA WOULD BE DEFINED BY A SCHOOL OR VICE VERSA, THEN RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL IS THAT VERY THING. RUN RIVER SCHOOL IS A SCHOOL THAT EMBRACES SEDONA. WE ARE INTEGRATIVE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY THAT DOES NOT CLASSIFY THINGS INTO SUBJECTS, RATHER EMBRACES THE WHOLE, EVERYTHING COEXIST, SO TO SPEAK. WE ARE IN THE OUTDOORS TWO HOURS A DAY, AND WE SPEND A FULL DAY ON THE TRAILS EVERY OTHER WEEK. WE STUDY FLORA AND FAUNA. WE STUDY THE OUTSIDE AND THE INSIDE AND UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THIS AREA'S HISTORY THAN ANY ONE CITIZEN COMPARED TO MY EXPERIENCE TEACHING FOR 15 YEARS, SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN THIS LOCAL PUBLIC SCHOOL THAT WOULDN'T ALLOW ME TO USE A TRAIL OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL FOR LIABILITY REASONS, OR HAD STUDENTS THAT WERE UNABLE TO IDENTIFY A SINGLE LANDMARK OUTSIDE MY CLASSROOM WINDOW AND TEACHES THE SAME THINGS SINCE HORACE. MAN, I'D SAY THAT RUN RIVER SCHOOL IS THE EXEMPLAR OF WHAT THIS COMMUNITY SHOULD BE DOING FOR THIS COMMUNITY. I COULD GO ON AND ON BY SIMPLY WANT TO STATE THAT SUPPORTING OUR SCHOOL SUPPORTS THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS SCHOOL IS THE COMMUNITY. AND IN CLOSING, THE IDEOLOGY THAT CHILDREN MUST BE SEEN AND NOT HEARD IS ARCHAIC. IF ANYTHING, WE NEED TO BE LISTENING TO OUR CHILDREN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ANTHONY VINCENT KAMAR. I LIVE IN SEDONA. I WORK FOR THE VERDE INDEPENDENT, AND I'M A PARENT AT RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL. UM, MY FAMILY AND I MOVED HERE TWO YEARS AGO, UH, TO BE PART OF THE SCHOOL. WE HAVE A NOW 12 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, AND MY PARTNER IS A TEACHER, WAS A TEACHER AT THE SCHOOL. WHEN WE MOVED HERE, UH, THE DAY AFTER WE SET IN MOTION, UH, COMING HERE, WE DISCOVERED THAT THE SCHOOL NO LONGER HAD A CAMPUS . AND SO OUR FIRST YEAR HERE WAS, UH, THE IMPROVISING OF THREE AND A HALF DIFFERENT CAMPUSES. AND I GOT TO KNOW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND SAW A COMMUNITY REALLY COME TOGETHER UNDER DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES [01:20:01] AND MAKE IT WORK. UH, DID WE THRIVE? I'M NOT SURE, BUT WE MADE IT WORK. AND IF I FEEL INTO WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO HAVE TO IMPROVISE LIKE THAT AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST FOR, FOR THIS COMMUNITY. UM, I, I, I WANNA SPEAK TO THE, A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THE, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AND ONE OF THE COMMENTERS, UH, TWO OF THE COMMENTERS MENTIONED, UM, THAT THERE SHOULD BE A, A, A SCHOOL ZONE SIGN IN THAT AREA. I WANT TO, I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THAT. I'M SOMEONE WHO WAS HIT BY A CAR 12 YEARS AGO. IT WAS A LIFE CHANGING EVENT. I'M ALL FOR SAFETY AND, AND DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. MM-HMM. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SO THAT CONCLUDES, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, FORUM PART OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL CLOSE THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS. ANYONE WANTS TO START? WELL, I'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, HEARD WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT THE SCHOOL TONIGHT, UH, ONLINE TO ALL THE PRESENTATIONS IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT'S GOING WITH THE SCHOOL. SO I DON'T HAVE A, A, AN ISSUE AT ALL WITH THE SCHOOL. WHAT, WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT AND SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HERE, IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TIMEFRAME ON THE C U P THAT IF IT'S JUST FIVE YEARS IS A LIFETIME TO SOMEBODY, UM, IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT. I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE CONCERN THAT THE COUNCIL RAISED AS, AS I HEARD THE LAST TIME, AND THEY OPTED FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT GOING FORWARD, BUT I WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE VOTING FOR SOMETHING THAT EXCEEDED ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF. THANK YOU. CHARLOTTE, GO AHEAD. I, I'M ON TRACK WITH WILL. UM, I LOVE WHAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE SCHOOL. WE HAVE, I HAVE, UM, NO ISSUE WITH THE SCHOOL, THE CONTENT OF THE CURRICULUM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT AS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID, IT'S A LAND USE ISSUE. SO, UM, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF AN UNLIMITED C U P. TO ME, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO A YEAR AND A HALF BECAUSE I WOULD WANT IT TO END WITH A, AT A SUMMER BREAK MM-HMM. . SO WHETHER IT'S TWO YEARS, WHETHER IT'S THREE YEARS, I'D REALLY LOVE TO GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR OF WHAT SHE THINKS THAT WOULD WORK. WHAT WOULD, WHICH WOULD WORK. BUT I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANT TO GO BEYOND THREE YEARS. I PROBABLY PREFER TO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE FOR HANUKKAH. OKAY. UM, HELLO, . THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT SAFETY AROUND THE SCHOOL. WHAT CAN THE CITY HAS, WHAT HAS THE CITY LOOKED AT IF THE CITY HAS LOOKED AT ANYTHING OR WHAT COULD THIS MIGHT THE CITY LOOK AT TO MAKE THINGS BETTER IN THE SHORT RUN, MEDIUM RUN? THANK YOU FOR ASKING. UM, SO I HAVE MADE SEVERAL VISITS OUT THERE LOOKING AT STOPPING SITE DISTANCES, UM, INTERSECTION VISIBILITY, AND IT APPEARS AS LONG AS YOU'RE GOING THE SPEED LIMIT THERE IS ADEQUATE STOPPING SITE DISTANCE, EVEN WITH THE DOWNHILL, UM, GOING NORTH ON BREWER. SO SOME OF THE THINGS, AND, AND PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED SCHOOL ZONES, AND I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SCHOOL ZONES HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE DESIGNATED BY COUNCIL AND, AND THEN ALSO TAKEN AWAY BY COUNCIL, WHICH IS WHY THE BREWER ROAD IS STILL DESIGNATED SCHOOL ZONE. UM, WHICH IS STILL ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO. UH, THERE WERE ALSO MENTIONS OF SPEED BUMPS OR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE. UM, THREEWAY STOP THERE. FULL STOP. UM, AT THIS MOMENT, I'D PROBABLY RECOMMEND TREE TRIMMING FOR, TO MAKE SURE THE INTER, UH, INTERSECTION VISIBILITY IS THE BEST I CAN BE. UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, THOSE ARE SOME, THOSE ARE SOME OF MY SUGGESTIONS AND THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO AS A CITY. SINCE WE DON'T HOLD THE POWER OF THE PURSE, I'M WONDERING HOW WE CONVEY THOSE MM-HMM. RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL. MM-HMM. GOT ANY IDEAS? WOULD IT BE PART OF A MOTION? WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT BE PROBABLY NOT, BUT WE COULD, WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME STRONGLY WORDED LANGUAGE TO ACCOMPANY OUR ACTION. AND I AM PUTTING ON MY MEETING SCHEDULE WITH THE CITY ENGINEER TO BRING THIS UP, TOPIC UP. RIGHT. [01:25:01] BUT TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NO REASON WHY IT CANNOT BE DESIGNATED A SCHOOL ZONE AND THEREFORE ADEQUATELY MARKED IN THE PAVEMENT. I, I WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO THE CODE TO SEE THE ACTUAL VERBIAGE OF WHAT IS REQUIRED TO MAKE IT INTO A SCHOOL ZONE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. THANK YOU, SARAH. UH, QUICK QUESTION, LET ME MOVE THIS OVER. CAN YOU TALK TO THE CONCERN REGARDING PERMANENT C U P VERSUS, YOU KNOW, AN UNDATED ONE? RIGHT. SO BY CODE, ANY C U P THAT'S NOT USED EXPIRES AFTER TWO YEARS OF NON-USE. AND SO WHAT, UM, NO EXPIRATION DATE IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING WOULD BE THAT THE SCHOOL WOULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE IF THEY WERE TO MOVE OUT AND ANOTHER SCHOOL DIDN'T MOVE IN. UM, IT, IT WOULD GO AWAY AFTER TWO YEARS. WHAT PUTTING IN EX PUTTING AN EXPIRATION DATE WOULD BE THEN IF IN THREE YEARS THEY'RE STILL THERE, THEY WOULD COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN TO GET ANOTHER RENEWAL. WHEREAS IF, UM, THEY GET A C P WITHOUT AN EXPIRATION DATE AND THEY MOVE OUT AFTER TWO YEARS, AND THE U P EXPIRES TWO YEARS AFTER THAT. UM, ONE THING THAT CHRIS MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION IS THAT ANOTHER OPTION, RATHER THAN PUTTING AN END DATE, WOULD BE TO SHORTEN THAT TWO YEAR TIMEFRAME AND SAY THAT IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRE OUT OF A AFTER NON-USE FOR MAYBE A YEAR INSTEAD OF THE, THE TWO YEARS. OKAY. SO THERE'S, THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION. OKAY. SO MY, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS ARE, I WAS REALLY SAD TO SEE THIS BACK ON OUR SCHEDULE AGAIN SO QUICKLY MM-HMM. , UM, DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED IN CITY COUNCIL FOR SHORTENING IT. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE REALLY EXPECTED THEM TO GET EVERYTHING DONE THAT THEY NEEDED TO IN SUCH A SHORT TIMEFRAME. THERE'S ACQUISITIONS, THERE'S INSPECTIONS, THERE'S PICKING DESIGNERS, THERE'S DOING THE DESIGN, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE PERSON OR A HOMEOWNER THAT'S MAKING THESE DECISIONS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SCHOOL THAT HAS A BOARD THAT HAS TO HAVE SOME CONSENSUS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE'S PERMITS AND THEY DIDN'T WAIT TO BREAK GROUND WHEN TO GET ALL THEIR PERMITS. THEY WERE TRUE TO THEIR WORD. THEY TRIED TO DO AS MUCH AS THEY COULD IN THE TIME THAT THEY COULD. UM, WHEN THEY PULLED PERMITS, THEY GOT STARTED. UM, SO I HAVE EVERY FULL FAITH THAT THE INTENTION OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. UM, SCHOOLS AND KIDS NEED STABILITY. I THINK ALL THE FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY WANT A STABLE ENVIRONMENT. THEY PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, I JUST, UM, I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED. MM-HMM. , AND THEN NOT ONLY DID WE SHORTEN IT, BUT WE'RE PUTTING THEM THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN, , WHICH IS A FINANCIAL BURDEN. IT TAKES TIME AND ENERGY. EVERYBODY'S HERE TONIGHT. THEY COULD BE WORKING ON FUNDRAISING . SO I'M, I'M PRETTY LIT THAT THIS PROCESS IS BACK HERE AGAIN. UM, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON THE KIDS SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY, SUPPORTING OUR FAMILIES. UM, I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF NO TERMINATION ON THE C U P, UM, AND APPROVING THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE CITY COULD FURTHER SUPPORT THROUGH SAFETY AND SIGNAGE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UM, LET'S SEE WHAT OTHER NOTES I HAVE HERE. UM, LET'S SEE. YOU KNOW, COMMENTS ABOUT LAUGHING CHILDREN AND CLIMBING IN TREES. , OKAY, WE GREW UP DOING THIS AND WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING OR THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, STUNTED OR, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLED. UH, THAT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR. UM, AND ULTIMATELY ALSO, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT REAL ESTATE IS LIKE IN THIS AREA. IT'S, IT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS. AND SO I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT OUR ENERGY AND FAITH IN THE POSITIVE OUTCOME WITH THE BELIEF THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO. AND WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE. UM, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUR FAITH IN THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF IT, OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CONTROL AND MAKE THIS A MORE DIFFICULT SITUATION. I THINK WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY. THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU. YES. CALLIE OR LYNN, DID YOU WANT TO PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? LYNN, GO AHEAD. SURE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. UM, I THINK I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE ZONING. AND THE ZONING DOES ALLOW FOR THIS USAGE. I THINK THAT THE TIME OUTDOORS, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE LEVEL, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE A FAIRLY LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME PER DAY THAT PEOPLE, THAT THE CHILDREN ARE OUTSIDE DURING RECESS. UM, I AGREE WITH THE OTHERS THAT SOME SIGNAGE [01:30:01] SHOULD BE UPDATED, MOVED FROM THE OLD SCHOOL AND MOVED UP TO THIS ONE. AND, UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE A LONGER TIME PERIOD, A YEAR AND A HALF WAS WAY TOO SHORT IN MY OPINION. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE, UH, POTENTIALLY A FIVE YEAR. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE UNLIMITED, BUT I THINK A GOOD HEALTHY PERIOD OF TIME, UH, TO GET THE JOB DONE FOR THEM AND SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK FOR APPROVAL. AND AGAIN, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONCERNS, IF AT ANY TIME THERE ARE, UH, VIOLATIONS OR NEW AND EMERGING THINGS THAT HERE, IT CAN BE REVISITED SOONER. SO I WOULD LOBBY FOR A EXTENSION WITH A TIME LIMIT. THANK YOU. LYNN. CALLIE, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH. UM, THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO SPOKE. UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING PERSPECTIVE. OH, I, LUIS, I KNOW I DO. UM, I THINK YOUR SCREEN IS FROZEN. WHAT? I THINK YOUR SCREEN IS FROZEN, BUT WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY. , , UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS ISN'T ALLOWABLE USE IN THIS ZONE, UH, WITH THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THIS, WELL, NOT THIS EXACT COMMISSION, BUT A, A SIMILAR COMMISSION WITH MANY OF US ON IT APPROVED THIS WITH A LONGER TIME ZONE. AS SOMEONE WHO'S DOING CONSTRUCTION COMMERCIALLY IN TOWN RIGHT THIS SECOND, IT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THEM TO ONE, ASK THEM TO PREDICT WHEN THEY'LL BE DONE. BECAUSE I, I'M SORRY, LAPITA, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE WRONG, . I WISH I DIDN'T THINK THAT. BUT IT'S ALSO, IT'S, OUR RESOURCES IN THIS TOWN ARE LIMITED. EVERYTHING TAKES A REALLY, REALLY LONG TIME. AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A SERVICE TO THE SCHOOL TO MAKE IT A SHORT EXTENSION. I'M WITH SARAH IN LEANING TOWARDS, I DON'T THINK THEY WANNA STAY IN THAT BUILDING EITHER. UM, I, I WOULD, I THINK BELIEVING WHAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING US IS, IS THE WAY TO GO WITH THIS ONE. IF, AND LIKE LYNN SAID, IF THERE'S CONCERNS AND THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THEIR USES OR THERE ARE COMPLAINTS, THERE IS A PROCESS TO REMOVE THE C P. IT'S NOT FOREVER. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE NON OF CHANGING THE EX EXPIRATION FROM TWO YEARS TO SHORTER. I'M ALMOST OF THE OPINION THAT IT SHOULD BE KIND OF INSTANTANEOUS. IF THAT'S NOT A WEIRD, IF THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE REALLY TO THAT, I HA I CAN'T THINK IT'S IT ONE WHERE ONCE THEY MOVE AND THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ON NAVAJO GOES, THEN THIS UP EXPIRES. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. I'M ALSO SAD TO BE HERE AGAIN. UM, BUT I THINK THE MORE OPTIONS FOR SCHOOLS IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE BETTER. WE'VE ALREADY LOST TWO OR THREE SINCE I'VE STARTED PAYING ATTENTION TO SCHOOLS, BIG PARK, UM, THIS CHARITY, SOME OTHER PROGRAMS. SO WE CAN'T LOSE ANOTHER SCHOOL. UH, SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. THANK YOU. I'M ALSO IN A, OH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I'LL, I'LL SPEAK AFTER YOU, GEORGE. GO AHEAD. WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, THE FIRST THING I WAS GONNA DO IS IN KITAN JUST WALKED OUT OF THE DOOR, BUT, HUH. KITAN BLASI, HE'S MY NEIGHBOR. AND I WAS GOING CON CONGRATULATE HIM FOR HIS, UH, EXCELLENT SPEECH THAT HE GAVE. UH, SO THANKS KITAN, UH, , UH, I, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT A C U P WITHOUT A TERMINATION DATE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A DATE THAT'S APPROPRIATE. UH, I UNDERSTAND CONSTRUCTION IS A VERY TOUGH THING TO PREDICT. UH, GOD FORBID SEDONA WOULD DO A PROJECT AND BE TWO YEARS LATE AND EVERYONE WOULD HAVE HIM ON THE RAIL. YOU KNOW, IT'S A REALITY CONSTRUCTION. YOU'VE GOT A LICENSE ARCHITECT. HE'S USED TO DEALING WITH CITY, HE'S USED TO GETTING PERMITS, AND IT'S JUST A REALITY. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S BEEN SINCE OCTOBER, SORRY, EMOTIONAL HERE. IF IT'S BEEN SINCE OCTOBER AND YOU HAVEN'T MADE A RESUBMITTAL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE HANGUP IS. UM, I WOULD SUPPORT AN EXTENSION POSSIBLY THROUGH, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL SCHOOL YEARS, BUT I WOULDN'T SUPPORT ANOTHER C U P AFTER THAT. SO THAT'S MY FEELINGS. UM, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO, UM, YOUR POCKETBOOK. UM, TO ME, HAVING 40 FAMILIES, PROMINENT FAMILIES IN SEDONA WITH ASSOCIATION WITH MANY BUSINESSES, UH, $500,000 DOES NOT SEEM TO BE AN INSURMOUNTABLE NUMBER. AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO YOUR BUSINESS. [01:35:01] UH, YOU, YOU, YOU PROBABLY HAVE OTHER COST ISSUES YOU'RE DEALING WITH AND SO FORTH. BUT, UH, HERE WE ARE A YEAR AND A HALF LATER AND, UH, THE FUNDING DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S PROCEEDED. AND IF WE HAD AN UNLIMITED C U P, IT MAY BE FIVE YEARS, UH, WHERE YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE FUNDING. SO I FEEL, MY OPINION IS WE HAVE TO HOLD YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE A LITTLE BIT. WE SUPPORT THE SCHOOL. UH, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THE CHURCH HAS TAKEN YOU IN FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, AND I WISH IT'D BEEN A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE YOU HAD TO COME TO US AGAIN. BUT BEING THAT HERE WE ARE AGAIN, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND TO MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT WE COME UP WITH, UH, AN APPROPRIATE DATE THAT WE FEEL IS REASONABLE THAT IT'S, UH, UH, NOT SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE DONE, UH, GIVE YOU A TIMETABLE THAT WE FEEL IS REASONABLE THAT YOU COULD GET YOUR CONSTRUCTION DONE AND HAVE THE, UH, CHILDREN AT THIS WONDERFUL SCHOOL HAVE A PERMANENT PLACE. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU, GEORGE. UM, I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF RENEWING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND I THINK THE SCHOOL HAS DEMONSTRATED VERY GOOD FAITH IN NOT ONLY PURCHASING THE PROPERTY, BUT STARTING TO FRAME HAVING DEMOLISHED AND STARTING TO FRAME THEIR NEW SCHOOL. SO I I, I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT, RECOGNIZE THEIR EFFORTS AND NOT HAMSTRING THEM FROM CONTINUING AT THE CURRENT SITE AND SUPPORTING THEIR MOVE. UH, WHEN THAT TAKES PLACE, I DO NOT SUPPORT, UM, UM, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITHOUT AN ENDING DATE. MOSTLY BECAUSE, UM, IT MEANS THAT WHEN THEY VACATE, ANOTHER SCHOOL COULD GO IN AND, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A, A PROCESS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, FOR THAT SCHOOL TO BE REVIEWED. BUT WITH AN INDETERMINATE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE FAIL TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. SO THAT FOR ME IS MY RATIONALE FOR NOT, UH, PUSHING IT OUT. I WOULD WELCOME A THREE TO FIVE YEAR, UM, TERM FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WOULD BE, UM, RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH SCHOOL YEAR. SO IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHEN THIS ONE ENDS AND WHEN THREE YEARS OUT OR FIVE YEARS OUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE OPEN TO. UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE COMMISSION. I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN DEVELOP SOME CONSENSUS HERE AND REMIND ME THAT WE WANT TO, WHEN WE FINISHED, UH, A MOTION THAT WE WANNA GET BACK TO MAKING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL, UM, TWO THAT ARE INTERESTED IN NOT HAVING AN ENDING DATE. UM, AND I HEARD, UM, MAYBE THREE YEARS, UM, OR UP TO FIVE. SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON A MINIMUM OF THREE UP HERE? HOW ABOUT I, I COULD TALK ABOUT IT, BUT OKAY. IF YOU WERE TALKING TWO, YOU'D HAVE CONSENSUS THEN. OKAY. SO, UM, DO WE HAVE, UM, WELL, I'M JUST GONNA SAY I WOULD, UM, RECOMMEND THREE YEARS. DO WE HAVE SUPPORT FOR THAT? I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I WOULD PREFER FIVE. I THINK, UH, THREE YEARS GOES VERY QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A BUILDING PROCESS AND FUNDRAISING PROCESS. CARRIE, WHEN DOES THIS PERMIT EXPIRE? IS IT JUNE, JULY? JULY. JULY OF JULY. JULY. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD, SO JULY 31ST IS, UM, THE DATE THAT WAS CHOSEN AS A DATE THAT IT'S BETWEEN SCHOOL YEARS AND ROUGHLY THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. OKAY. COULD, COULD I ASK A QUESTION OF COUNCIL? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE, THE CITY COUNCIL ASKED THAT IT, THE C O P END WHEN RUNNING, RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL LEFT, DID THAT GET PASSED? CAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR WHETHER IT DID OR NOT. OKAY. NO, I, I BELIEVE COUNCIL PASSED GAVE IT A HARDENED TERMINATION DATE. THEY DIDN'T GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE. AND WAS THAT LEGAL FOR THAT TO BE DONE? YEAH. SO YEAH. CUS CAN HAVE ANY OR NO, UM, TERMINATION DATE, SO, OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN. BUT THE DECISION WAS APPEALED, CORRECT? IT, IT WAS P AND Z'S DECISION WAS APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL. WHICH, AND AT THAT TIME, WHICH UPHELD THE GRANT TEAM, BUT CHANGED THE, THE, BUT THEY CHANGED THE TERM BUT THEY CHANGED IT. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ASKED FOR, UH, DON'T, AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA FIND IT, THEY GOT IT, IS THAT WHEN RUNNING RIVER WAS ABLE TO MOVE MM-HMM. , THAT [01:40:01] THE CHURCH NORMALLY WOULD THEN STILL HAVE THE C U P AND COULD GO TO SOMEONE ELSE. RIGHT. I WOULD RATHER SEE IT END. MM-HMM. WHEN RUN RUNNING RAILROAD LEFT. MM-HMM. ON THAT. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I'M SORRY, I SAID I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. MM-HMM. , I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO LIMIT THEM TO A TIMEFRAME. LIFE ON LIFE'S TERMS THING, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAPPEN. BUT IF WE COULD TERMINATE THE C U P WHEN, YOU KNOW, THEY GET LIKE CO SAID, THEIR CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND MOVE MM-HMM. , IS THAT AN OPTION? WELL, THAT WOULD BE BE AN UNDE. THAT WOULD BE AN INDETERMINATE C P IT WOULD HAVE NOT HAVE A TERMINATION DATE. YEAH. AND, AND, AND THE CS RUN WITH THE LAND, NOT WITH THE MM-HMM. , THE RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL. SO IT RUNS WITH THE WESLEY CRE WESLEYAN CHURCH. AND SO I DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE IT RIGHT. BE A CONDITION THAT IF, IF THIS SCHOOL LEFT THE CHURCH COULD NOT BRING IT IN A DIFFERENT SCHOOL. SO YOU COULDN'T SAY THAT, UH, THAT WE GIVE A THREE YEAR TERM OR, OR AN EARLIER DATE IF, IF RIVER RUNNING RIVER TO SCHOOL WERE TWO. NO, I DON'T. THEY DON'T BELIEVE SO. CAUSE IT RUNS WITH THE, IT RUNS WITH THE LAND. YEAH. PER CITY CODE. ALL RIGHT. SO I HEAR FIVE, EXCUSE ME, I HEAR FOUR AND I HEAR, UM, TWO COLLEAGUES AND I HEAR A COUPLE OF THREES . SO, AND COLLEAGUES TRYING TO SPEAK. ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? C CAN I ASK, I'M COMING BACK TO CARRIE'S COMMENT ABOUT HOW WE COULD ADJUST THE END DATE. UM, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT HELP US COME TO SOME CONSENSUS. CAUSE I THINK WE'RE TOUCHING ON IT AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME EDGES, SO KURT'S SAYING IT RUNS WITH THE LAMP, THAT'S FINE. BUT WHAT TERRY SAID IS, OKAY, WE SAY WE GIVE THEM A C P WITH NO END, UH, YOU KNOW, A NO END PART, END DATE. AND SHE SAID WE CAN CHANGE IT FROM TWO YEARS OF NON-USE TO ONE YEAR. WELL, COULD WE CHANGE IT TO ONE MONTH OF NON-USE? LIKE, COULD WE MAKE IT SO HARD FOR THAT TRANSITION TO BE TO ANOTHER SCHOOL? COULD IT BE ONE DAY OF NON-USE? LIKE WHAT, WHERE'S OUR LINE IN SAYING WHAT THE, THE FLOP IS? WHAT DOES THE LDC SAY? YEAH, SO, SO CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, THAT IT'S IN THE CODE AND IT'S TWO YEARS OF NON-USE. SO P AND Z DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT. SORRY, SORRY, . WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO AMENDING THAT AND MAKING THAT SHORTER FOR FUTURE CUS BUT AS, AS IT CURRENTLY IS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. CARRIE AND KURT, CAN I ASK YOU, DOES, ARE WE RECOMMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE ONLY REASON WHEN CITY COUNCIL WAS ON APPEAL? CORRECT? IT WAS ON APPEAL. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE SOME TIME FOR IS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON SAFETY, I THINK, UH, AROUND THE SCHOOL SITE. SURE. OKAY. I THINK SO TOO. ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? UM, I WON'T AGREE TO ANYTHING LESS THAN FIVE. OKAY. IF MY FIVE, WHICH I DON'T, OH, I WOULD BE ABLE TO READ THE MOTION. OKAY. DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION WITH FIVE YEARS? WELL, WE'LL SEE. OKAY. , LET ME FIND MY NOTES SO I CAN FIND OUT WHAT PAGE IT'S ON HERE. IT'S, WHERE IS IT? UH, 10. SO ON THE SCREEN IS, UM, A CONDITION THAT WOULD INCLUDE AN EXPIRATION DATE. UM, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WOULD BE, OR FIVE YEAR, A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION WOULD BE JULY 31ST, 20, 28. AND, AND SO STANDARD EXTENSION, ORION SHARING COMMISSIONERS, WHOEVER MAKES A MOTION CAN DO THE, THE MOTION IN, IN THE PACKET, BUT THEN JUST ADD IN THIS, UH, CONDITION, UM, WITH WHATEVER DATE THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WANTS TO PUT IN. I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST NOTE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE LAST RECOMMENDATION WE MADE WAS APPEALED AND SHORTENED, SO YEP. MM-HMM. , LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND AND SHOOT HIGH. MM-HMM. , LOOK AT, DOES ANY COMMISSIONER WISH TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME? PLEASE DO. SO, IF I WERE TO MAKE A MOTION, I'D MAKE IT FOR, I WOULD CONCEDE TO BUMP IT UP THREE YEARS. MM-HMM. , BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO GO FIVE YEARS, SO I, I MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK THINGS OUT BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . CARRIE, CAN YOU MAKE THAT LANGUAGE BIGGER? JUST ZOOM IN A LITTLE . THANKS. WE NEED TO SHARE IT. [01:45:02] I'M, I'M ALSO THINKING WE SHOULD TALK THIS OUT BASED ON OUR, WELL, IT'S NOT LIKE US TO LULL LIKE THIS. UM, I'M, I'M WITH SARAH IN MAKING SURE. OH, THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. UM, I JUST SAW THE SCREEN SHARE. THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT. UH, I THINK WE'LL DO THEM A DISSERVICE WITH ANYTHING UNDER FIVE YEARS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA END UP IN FRONT OF US. AGAIN, THIS IS A TIME COST, A FINANCIAL COST. ALL IT DOES IS DELAY THEM, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO GET THEIR NEW BUILDING OPEN. IT'S, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO GET IN THEIR WAY. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING IN THEIR WAY. SO I, I REALLY, I WANT TO TALK OUT ANYONE WHO WANTS LESS THAN FIVE YEARS, WHAT YOUR CONCERN AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE IS MM-HMM. , REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE FIVE. WELL, CALLIE, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT SINCE THEIR INITIAL C O P CAME IN IN 22, THAT BY EXTENDING IT, LET'S SAY TO 28, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN SIX YEARS FOR THE SCHOOL TO GET THEMSELVES TO THEIR NEW SITE? YEAH, I, I, I THINK JULY OF 2028 IS WHERE I'D WANT TO SEE THE END DATE. I'M, I'M SORRY, JULY OF 2028 IS WHAT, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS WHAT I WOULD AGREE TO. YES. UHHUH. , I THINK IT'S, UH, UNLIKELY. I, I REALLY HOPE FOR THEM, IT'S UNLIKELY IT EVEN TAKES THEM THAT LONG. YEAH. BUT MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND THAT'S A FIVE YEAR THAT'S GOING OUT? FIVE, UH, CHAIRMAN? YES. UM, CAN I CLARIFY WITH RUNNING RIVER SCHOOLS, UM, ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST GOING FORWARD, IS IT, I HEARD HALF MILLION DOLLARS. IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? UM, OUR FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IS SET AT $600,000. SO, I MEAN, IT'S A FAIR ESTIMATE. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY, YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'D SAY, UH, AT THIS POINT, I THINK I SAW A FIGURE IF MADUE WAS STILL HERE, UM, WHAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THE BUILDING SO FAR IS A BIT OVER $200,000 MADUE. COULD YOU CONFIRM THAT? IS IT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN TWO OR? I DON'T HAVE NONE. OKAY. I, I MEAN FROM A CONSTRUCTION POINT OF VIEW, UM, THE PROBLEM IS THE LONGER THINGS GO, THE MORE EXPENSIVE THINGS GET. AS WE SAW THROUGH THE PANDEMIC COST OF SEAL COST CONCRETE, EVERYTHING WENT UP 30 TO 40% DURING THE PANDEMIC. SO LONGER THINGS GO ON, THE HIGHER THE COST IS GONNA BE PLUS IS MY COMMENT. , I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE CITY HAS STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED TO US THAT THEY'RE OKAY. MM-HMM. WITH NO, YOU KNOW, TERMINATION DATE OF THIS C U P AND, UM, I THINK THIS IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PUT OUR SUPPORT INTO THIS COMMUNITY IN THIS SCHOOL AND SHOW, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? NO PRESSURE. WE BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA DO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO. AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY OUR JUDGMENT, YOU KNOW, REFLECTS THAT. SO ACTUALLY THE WAY I READ THE DISCUSSION IN, OF THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN STAFF AND THE SCHOOL WAS, UM, THAT THE STAFF WOULD LEAVE IT OPEN-ENDED KNOWING THAT THERE WOULD BE DISCUSSION AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL. SO RATHER THAN PICK 2 34, UH, I MEAN YOU'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED WITHOUT A, AN END DATE, UM, PROPOSED. UM, SOME OF THAT CAME FROM PREVIOUS CS THAT YOU KNOW, HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PROCESSES THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THROUGH OTHER THINGS WHERE IF A PROBLEM ARISES, WE CAN'T ADDRESS IT. I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER, UM, SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT CAME THROUGH ON THIS ONE GOT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE. BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THINGS THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES TO THEIR OPERATION. FROM WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET, THERE IS A, AN AMENDMENT PROCESS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH. AND IF IT JUST IS NOT WORKING OUT AND THINGS CAN'T BE ADDRESSED, THERE'S A REVOCATION PROCESS. SO IT'S NOT THAT SOMETHING GETS APPROVED AND WE'RE HANDS OFF FOREVER. WE CONTINUE, IF, YOU KNOW, WE GET THINGS, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS. IF THEY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES, THEY WOULD BE BACK BEFORE YOU. BUT MM-HMM. , UM, IN THE PAST AS WHEN PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN CUS AND HAVE JUST CONTINUED TO OPERATE AND THEN NEEDING THAT AND AN EXTENSION TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED TO DO, UM, THAT DOES SEEM LIKE, UM, MAYBE TIME THAT COULD BE BETTER SPENT ELSEWHERE. AND SOME OF THE DIRECTION WE GOTTEN FROM PAST COMMISSIONS [01:50:01] WAS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE LONGER TIMEFRAMES AND LESS EXTENSIONS COMING THROUGH AND MORE JUST THINGS COMING BACK IF IT NEEDED A CHANGE OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, UM, SO WHY WOULD WE DO ANYTHING LESS FOR OUR KIDS? I'M JUST GONNA SAY, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE. MM-HMM. , SO MM-HMM. , WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE, VOTE ON IT AND SEE HOW MANY VOTES WE HAVE AND I'LL READ THIS ONE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. THERE SHOULD BE A MOTION IN YOUR PACKET. CAN YOU READ THAT MOTION, SIR? YEAH. SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDED MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND THEN I ADD THIS AT THE END? YEAH, YOU CAN JU I THINK YOU CAN JUST REFER TO AS, UM, AS AMENDED. OKAY. UH, THE JULY 20, 28 EXPIRATION DATE I THINK NEED. FINALLY, I, AT THAT POINT I NEED GLASSES. . LET'S SEE, I MOVED FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 21 DASH 0 1 0 D V OH, SORRY, WRONG ONE. HOLD ON. THAT'S AL. SORRY. WHERE IS IT? WHAT PAGE IS IT? I WAS READING 10 ALKIN ISA, PAGE 10 ON RUNNING RIVER SAFARI. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY, LET'S START THAT OVER AGAIN. UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 23 DASH 0 0 3 C P RENEWAL RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4. AND SATISFACTION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ADAPT ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. DID I READ THAT? AND YOU CAN JUST REFERENCE AS CONDITIONS AS AMENDED WITH THE OKAY. CONDITIONS AS AMENDED. AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY, IS THERE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? AN EXPLANATION DATE WITH THAT? UH, 2028. OKAY. I SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE STATED MOTION? AYE. SAY AYE. AYE. WE HAVE TWO, THREE. DO WE HAVE THREE? LYNN, YOU'RE IN THAT. OKAY. AND THOSE OPPOSED? NO, NO, NO. THE MOTION FAILS. FOUR THREE. I'LL ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE, UH, AMENDMENT TO BE 2026. MM-HMM. , WHICH WOULD BE THREE YEARS FROM THE EXPIRATION. NO, IT EXPIRES IN 23. OH, SO IT WOULD BE 26. YEAH. 26 MM-HMM. . SO SHOULD I READ IT? YES. OKAY. , UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PC 23 DASH 0 0 0 3 C P RENEWAL FOR RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4, AND SATISFACTION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED IT'S FINDINGS OF THE PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WILL ALL THOSE WAIT TO CLARIFY. HE, YOU DID NOT REFERENCE ANY AMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN YOUR MOTION. AN ATTACHED CONDITIONS AND AMENDMENTS TO SPECIFY WHICH, UM, WHAT? YEAH. THE, THE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHALL EXPIRE ON JULY 31ST, 2026. PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION DATE, THE APPLICANT OR PROPERTY OWNER MAY BE, MAY FILE A RENEWED APPLICATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE APPLICATION SHALL BE REEVALUATED BASED ON CONSISTENCY WITH CITY ORDINANCE AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND CHARLOTTE, YOU SECONDED THAT MOTION? UH, YES. I OR WILL OR DID? WILL, WILL GOT THERE FIRST. OKAY. WILL. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE. AND RAISE YOUR HANDS. AYE. FOUR. ALL THOSE OPPOSED DO THE SAME. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. FOUR, THREE. THANK YOU. RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL AND YOUR PARENTS AND THE CHILDREN THAT SPOKE TODAY. AND THANK YOU LUPITA FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. KATHY, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN FOR WHAT? OH, WAIT, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA ADJOURN. WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SAFETY. . UM, WHAT I HEARD FROM OUR EXPERT [01:55:01] OVER THERE, HANUKAH, IS THAT, UM, THERE ARE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR INITIALLY SUGGESTING THAT, IS THERE A VISIBILITY TRIANGLE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? TRIMMING? IS THAT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR IS IT, UM, ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, DO YOU KNOW? OR THE CHURCH PROPERTY? YEAH, ACTUALLY THE DRIVEWAY THAT I'D RECOMMEND TRIMMING WOULD BE ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY AND THE ONE TO THE WEST, THE SHARED DRIVEWAY. OKAY. SO MAYBE THE SCHOOL AND THE CHURCH CAN GET TOGETHER ON THAT RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM. . AND THEN, UM, YOU SUGGESTED BOTH SIGNAGE AND PO UH, EITHER UPRIGHT POSTED SIGNAGE AND OR, UH, ROADWAY SIGNAGE, UM, INDICATING THAT IT WAS A SCHOOL ZONE AND TO SLOW DOWN Y YES. UM, WE WOULD STILL NEED TO LOOK INTO IT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THE DISTANCES ARE CORRECT. THERE'S NO CONFLICTS, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOK INTO SCHOOL ZONES AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE HIDDEN DRIVEWAY, SLOW DOWN TYPE WARNING SIGNS AS WELL. RIGHT. AND YOU INDICATED YOU THOUGHT COUNCIL GOT INVOLVED IN THIS, BUT PERHAPS YOU CAN JUST LOOK INTO THAT. YEAH. AND UM, WE ON THIS, UM, COMMISSION WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE THAT NEW SAFETY MEASURES ARE PUT IN PLACE FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS, UH, PROVIDED US TODAY AND FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT? UM, JUST COULD, COULD NEXT MEETING WHENEVER WE HAVE A NEXT MEETING, COULD YOU UPDATE US ON THAT? YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. GOOD. THANKS. WE CAN GET A REMINDER TO DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL COME BACK AT QUARTER OF SEVEN AND I THINK ALL OF THE SCHOOL FOLKS ARE ALMOST LEFT. UM, AND IF THE OTHERS WANNA GET SET UP FOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, I'M GONNA RECONVENE THIS MEETING AT, UH, SIX, UH, 48. IT LOOKS LIKE. MOVE ON TO AGENDA [6B. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for a Development Review for the construction of a multi use project at 2140 W State Route 89A/40 Goodrow Lane, including an approximately 5,000 square foot meadery/coffee shop, approximately 1,300 square feet warehouse space, and 15 residential units. The property is zoned Commercial (CO), is approximately 0.87 acres, and is located northeast of the intersection of State Route 89A and Goodrow Lane. APN: 408-24-070A & C. Applicant: Dan Surber, Architect Case Numbers: PZ21-00010 (DEV)] ITEM NUMBER SIX B, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MULTI-USE PROJECT AT 2140 WEST STATE ROUTE 89, A ALSO 40 GOODROW LANE, INCLUDING AN APPROXIMATELY 5,000 SQUARE FOOT NEEDY COFFEE SHOP. APPROXIMATELY 1300 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE SPACE, EXCUSE ME, AND 15 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, COMMERCIAL IS APPROXIMATELY 0.87 ACRES AND IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 89 A IN GOOD RED LANE. ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 48 DASH 24 DASH ZERO SEVEN A AND C. THE APPLICANT IS DANER ARCHITECT. THIS IS CASE NUMBERS P 21 0 0 0 1 0. THERE'S NO OTHER NUMBER. SO IT'S CASE NUMBER DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. YEAH. OKAY. UM, CARRIE, IS IT YOU OR CHRIS? UM, CHRIS IS GOING TO BE WALKING US THROUGH THIS AGAIN, BUT I AM HERE FOR MORAL SUPPORT. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD CHRIS. JUST SHARE AND JUST DO YOUR SCREENING. AND UM, JUST BEFORE WE START, WE HAVE, UM, LYNN, DO YOU, WE HAVE TWO OF YOU. WE HAD ONE IN THE MEETING AND ONE IN THE LOBBY. ARE YOU OKAY WHERE YOU ARE OR DID YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE? I'M FINE. I SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS FROM WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE STORM HERE, SO IT'S JUST FINE. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SET THERE BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THIS ONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR, UH, AL CAMISA. THERE WE GO. UM, THE ADDRESS IS 2144 WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A AND 40 GOODROW LANE. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS SERGIO AND OPHELIA GOMA. APPLICANT IS DAN ERBER. UM, THE LOT IS JUST UNDER AN ACRE. THE CURRENT LAND USE IS VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACE AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A, UH, MEAD BREWERY COFFEE ROASTING AND 15 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. UM, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 12.37 UNITS PER ACRE. UM, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THEIR [02:00:01] SENSE OF PROMOTING PROPOSING SMALLER UNITS, UM, IT CALCULATES IT AT, UH, 12.37 ACRES. UM, THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE EXISTING, UM, AND CURRENTLY THESE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE NOT PROPOSED TO REMAIN AND THE PARCEL LINE WILL CHANGE, BUT IT'LL STILL CONTINUE TO BE TWO PARCELS. UM, THE DRIVE ON 89 A IS GOING TO BE CLOSED AND THE ONLY ACCESS WILL BE ON GOODROW AND THE DRIVEWAY WILL MOVE FURTHER NORTH AWAY FROM 89 A. THIS IS A VICINITY MAP. UM, YOU HAVE, UH, THE WILD FORMERLY SEDONA ROUGE NEXT DOOR AND THEN SAFEWAY. I CAN'T REALLY SEE YOUR ARROW. OH, IS IT NOT? OKAY, WE'RE RIGHT OFF. UH, RODEO YOU HAVE SAFEWAY AND THEN OVER ACROSS THE STREET YOU HAVE HARKINS. AND ON COFFEE POT YOU HAVE BASHO. NONE OF THE POINTERS ARE WORKING, I'M SORRY, THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL AND IS DES DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. ALL PROPOSED USES ARE PERMITTED IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE. RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES ARE SUBJECT TO THE DENSITY LIMITS OF THE SEDONA SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN. THE COMMUNITY PLAN ALLOWS FOR DENSITIES EXCEEDING 12 UNITS PER ACRE THROUGH CONSIDERATION OF STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS. THE DENSITY IS JUST OVER 12 UNITS PER ACRE. ALL UNITS WILL BE DESIGNATED LONG-TERM RENTALS THROUGH A DERE RESTRICTION OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE. THIS IS THE, UH, PROPOSED SITE PLAN. UH, BUILDING ONE THE FURTHEST ON THE SOUTH, UM, ON THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE A METERY IN THE COFFEE ROASTING, AND ON THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. UM, IF YOU MOVE JUST NORTH, UM, YOU HAVE BUILDING TWO, WHICH ON THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE A WAREHOUSE AND A SECOND UH, FLOOR WILL BE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND THEN BUILDINGS THREE AND FOUR. UM, THE FIRST AND SECOND STORY WILL BOTH BE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. UM, LIKE I SAID, THE PRIMARY ACCESS IS TO THE WEST ON GOODROW, AND YOU WILL HAVE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCESS FROM THE WEST ON GOODROW AND THE SOUTH ON STATE ROUTE 89 A. THE TOP ELEVATION IS FACING 89 A AND ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED IN A SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. UM, HOW WE REVIEWED THE CODE COMPLIANCES EXPLAINED IN DETAIL IN YOUR PACKET, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. WE LOOKED AT THE HEIGHT, THE DENSITY SETBACKS, GRADING AND DRAINAGE ACCESS, PARKING, LANDSCAPING SITE AND BUILDING DESIGN, OUTDOOR LIGHTING. AND IT MET THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION. AND THEY ARE REMOVING AN A NINE A CURB CUT. UM, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. IT CONTRIBUTES TO HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, AND IT HAS MINIMUM, UH, LEASE LENGTH. THEY ARE ASKING FOR A PARKING REDUCTION. UH, 51.7 SPACES ARE REQUIRED, AND THEY'RE ASKING TO REDUCE IT BY 13.73 TO 38.02 PARKING SPACES. UM, THIS IS BECAUSE OF NON OVERLAPPING HOURS OF USE, WHICH WILL NET THEM 7.848 SPACES. UM, THE COFFEE SHOP, WHICH WILL BE CLOSED BY 2:00 PM IS 748 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD NEED 7.48 PARKING SPACES. AND THE MEAT TASTING ROOM, WHICH WILL NOT OPEN BEFORE TWO, HAS 1,793 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD NEED 17.93 PARKING SPACES. AND THEY HAVE FIVE UNITS RESTRICTED FOR EMPLOYEE AND OWNER HOUSING, WHICH SM 6.25 SPACES, WHICH IS A TWO BEDROOM UNIT FOR THE OWNERS. UH, TWO ONE BEDROOM UNITS AND TWO STUDIO UNITS. THE APPLICANT DID COMPLETE THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND STAFF COMPLETED PUBLIC NOTICING. UM, IT'S ON THE, THE WEBSITE, THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY. LETTERS WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS IN 300 FEET, AND PUBLIC HEARING WAS NOTICED IN THE RED ROCK NEWS. ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED WERE PROVIDED TO, TO YOU. UM, THERE WAS QUESTIONS WITH THE PARKING AND THEN THE AIR QUALITY SLASH THE SMELL AS OUTLINED. THE STAFF REPORT STAFF LEAVES THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND BASED ON THE COMPLIANCE, UM, AND THE SATISFACTION OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. OKAY. THAT IS ALL. AND THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE AS WELL. OKAY. I, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION, BUT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY. DAN, UM, DID YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE TABLE IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS? [02:05:05] THANK YOU, CHRIS. UM, BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS PROJECT. I GO FIRST IF YOU LIKE. SURE. FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU TELL ME THE ORIGIN, THE NAME OF THE PROJECT? . I WONDER ABOUT THAT. ALCHEMY. I WOULD REFER THAT TO THE OWNERS, UH, IS THAT'S THEIR NAME AND, AND THEY CHOSE IT. AND, UH, THERE IS SIGNIFICANCE TO THAT I BELIEVE. SO MR. GOK, IF YOU WANNA JUST SPEAK TO THAT MIKE THERE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE, SIR. GOMA VOC. UH, WE PUT SOME THINKING INTO THAT AND, UM, IT'S RELATED WITH, UH, THE, ALL THE SIGNS THAT WE ARE PUTTING INTO ALL OUR PRODUCTS. SO THERE IS, UM, UM, COMPLEX, UM, THINKING PROCESS THAT GOES INTO EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING AND IN, IN A WAY BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, COFFEE AND MEAT ARE NON-SCIENTIFIC THINGS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE ALCHEMY. SO THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM AND IT'S AN A BECAUSE MY WIFE IS THE ONE DRIVING ALL THOSE, UH, ALCHEMY PARTS. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A SHE . THANK YOU. DO WE WANT THESE COMMENTS PRIMARILY TO STAFF OR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WE'RE DOING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. QUESTIONS? UM, ON THE HOUSING DENSITY, IT'S SLIGHTLY ABOVE 12 UNITS PER ACRE. MM-HMM. , IS THAT DETERMINED BASED ON A TOTAL ACREAGE? UM, I THINK THE TOTAL, TOTAL ACREAGE TO THE SITE THREE SEVEN IS THE TOTAL ACREAGE. THE LOWER, UM, PROPERTY WOULD BE UNDER THE 12 AND THE NORTHERN PROPERTY WOULD BE OVER THE 12. UM, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE DERE RESTRICTING OR PROPOSING TO DERESTRICT ALL OF THEM, UM, IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT. OKAY. NO MATTER HOW IT'S CALCULATED. UM, DO YOU KNOW WHY THERE ARE SEPARATE PARCELS? TWO SEPARATE PARCELS CAN LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT? YEAH. YEAH. UM, DAN SERBER, SEDONA, UM, BASICALLY IT WAS, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT LOANS. ONE FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND ONE FOR RESIDENTIAL. UH, SO THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT SEPARATED. THEY OWN BOTH PARCELS. THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, OPERATE PARKING WISE AS ONE BIG PAR PARCEL, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LOANING PROCESS, THEY WANTED TO KEEP THE COMMERCIAL SEPARATE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. SO IT WASN'T DONE AT ALL TO MINIMIZE OR MODIFY REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S PURELY FINANCIAL AND CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH. FINANCING FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THERE'S NO REQUIRED SETBACK BETWEEN TWO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE WAY. OKAY. WE REVIEW THE PROJECT. OKAY. OKAY. I THINK I'LL WAIT FOR THE REST OF MY ITEMS. CHARLOTTE, I'M GONNA ADD ON TO THE PARKING QUESTION. UM, SO I UNDERSTAND OR I'LL ACCEPT THE, UH, REDUCTION THAT, OKAY. I'M NOT GONNA QUIBBLE WITH THE MATH PART, BUT, UM, SINCE IT IS TWO PARCELS, UH, IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF POTENTIALLY ONE BEING SOLD OFF. AND SO COULD SOMEBODY REVIEW FOR US WHAT THAT DOES? BECAUSE IT WOULD DISRUPT THE, UM, COOPERATIVE PARKING SITUATION. UM, WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A DIVORCE BOOM, RIGHT. UM, SO PARKING AGREEMENTS ARE ALLOWED BY CODE, UM, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, RECORDED ON THE PROPERTY. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT IS THAT THEY RECORD SOMETHING. IT'S, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THAT THEY WILL BE SHARING THE PARKING AND THE ACCESS AND ALL OF THAT. AND BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES THAT THE CITY BE A PART OF THAT AGREEMENT SO THAT IT CANNOT BE CHANGED WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL. AND THAT WOULD SURVIVE ANY CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP. SO NO MATTER IF IT'S THEM OWNING BOTH PARCELS, THEM OWNING ONE, THEM MOWING, NONE DIFFERENT OWNERS COMING IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IS IN PLACE BEFORE WE ACHIEVE BUILDING PERMITS WOULD CONTINUE ON NO MATTER WHO OWNS EITHER PARCEL. OKAY. THANKS. AND I'D LIKE TO TAG ONTO THE PARKING. UH, COULD, COULD YOU EXPLAIN HOW IT WAS CALCULATED GIVEN THE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO HOW MANY CARS THAT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO YOU WANNA TRY TO ANSWER? UM, SO [02:10:01] THE DIFFERENT SIZES OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE DIFFERENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS. I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 1.75 FOR A TWO UNIT, A 1.25 FOR ONE BEDROOM AND ONE FOR A STUDIO UNIT. AND SO, BECAUSE COMMERCIAL PARKING STANDARDS DO INCLUDE, WE DON'T SEPARATE EMPLOYEE AND CUSTOMER PARKING, IT'S JUST BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING WHAT IS ONE, UH, TWO BEDROOM, TWO, ONE BEDROOMS AND ONE AND TWO STUDIOS AND SAYING THAT THOSE WILL BE FOR EMPLOYEES. UM, WE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR WOULD NOT IN BASICALLY DOUBLE COUNT THOSE EMPLOYEES. THAT PART I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE, UM, A STUDIO, A ONE BEDROOM AND A TWO BEDROOM, THERE'S SOME PRESUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE IN THERE. MM-HMM. . SO HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THEN NOT, HOW DO YOU CALCULATE BASED ON THOSE CONFIGURATIONS, HOW MANY CARS ARE GENERATED BY THAT? UM, I THINK WE JUST USED SOME INDUSTRY STANDARDS WHEN WE CAME UP WITH, SO IT'S, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE IN A ONE BEDROOM ISN'T GONNA HAVE ONE IN A QUARTER, CARS IS JUST ON AVERAGE. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, BECAUSE IN NO PLACES WERE THEY ONE TOONE? UH, ONE-TO-ONE IS A STUDIO. YEAH. OKAY. SO YEAH, IT WAS JUST THE INDUSTRY AVERAGE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, OVER, YOU KNOW, SOME WILL HAVE ONE, SOME WILL HAVE TWO, SOME MIGHT HAVE ZERO. UM, ESPECIALLY IN A LOCATION LIKE THIS THAT DO WE KNOW FROM PINION LOFTS, WHAT I KIND OF REMEMBER THAT, UM, THE LAST I, IT WAS OVER PARKED AND ENDED UP VERY MUCH OVER PARKED. YEAH. UM, THE LAST NUMBERS WE GOT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SUNSET LOFTS PROJECT MM-HMM. WAS THAT THEY ACTUALLY, SO THEY HAVE A MIX OF ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOMS, AND WE WERE LOOKING AT SUNSET LOFT JUST AS A COMPARISON, UM, TO DETERMINE IF PARKING REDUCTIONS ON THAT ONE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. MM-HMM. PINION LOSS ACTUALLY HAD LESS THAN AN AVERAGE OF ONE CAR PER UNIT. I THINK THEY DID, THEY HAD LIKE 38 OR 39 CARS FOR THE WHOLE WHOLE PROJECT. LIKE 38 OR 39 CARS IS WHAT THEIR MANAGEMENT HAD. YEAH. REGISTERED FOR 45 UNITS FULLY LEASED. WELL, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE. THAT'S JUST SIX. A SPREAD OF SIX. YEAH. BUT WHEN YOU'RE REQUIRING MORE THAN ONE PER UNIT, RIGHT? IT IS, IT ENDS UP HAVING SOME EMPTY PARKING SPACES AROUND. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SARAH, ANYTHING DOWN THERE? UM, I DON'T THINK SO, ACTUALLY AT THIS TIME, NO. OKAY. IT'S PRETTY THOROUGH. HOW ABOUT OUR ZOOM FOLKS? HI, THIS IS LYNN. YEAH, LET SEE IF I CAN GET BACK ON HERE. HERE WE GO. OKAY. UM, MY QUESTIONS WERE AROUND THE PARKING. UH, WELL, ACTUALLY I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE A COMMENT, BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE LATER, SO I'LL DEFER. ALL RIGHT, CALLIE, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. WILL, NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE, CAN WE HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE OWNERS NOW, OR ARE WE, SHOULD WE OF COURSE BE MIXING? YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE OWNERS OR ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAPPENS TO KNOW. UM, SO THE OTHER APARTMENTS THAT YOU'RE BUILDING ARE NON-EMPLOYEE ONES. UM, ARE THOSE GONNA BE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS? AND CAN YOU ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT WHAT THE RATE MIGHT BE? UH, WE DO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGER THAT WILL, UH, TAKE CARE OF, UM, RENTING THAT AND, UM, I THINK THE, UM, RATE THAT HE'S LOOKING AT HIS PER SQUARE FOOT BASED ON THE AVERAGE, UM, RENTAL IN THE AREA, SO. RIGHT. UH, AND, AND THAT, WHAT MIGHT THAT BE? YEAH, I THINK IT'S, UH, FOR, UM, FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES LONG TERM, IT'S, UH, TWO POINT SOMETHING, 2.1, 2.2 $2.40 PER SQUARE FOOT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. CAN YOU RUN THAT OUT? I'M NOT FULL. 8,000 SQUARE FOOT B $2,000 21. THAT'S WHAT I WAS, YEAH. OKAY. I'M PLANNING ON THE SIZE OF, OF, OF THE UNIT. UM, BUT, UM, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS WILL FINISH THIS PROJECT IF APPROVED, WILL FINISH IN, UH, WILL BE READY FOR RENT IN 18 MONTHS. UM, COULD YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC? THANK YOU. YOU'RE SOFT SPOKEN . I AM. KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO BE APPROVED, THEN, UH, IT'LL FINISH IN 18 MONTHS FROM NOW, AND PRICES ARE LIKELY TO INCREASE BY THAT TIME. SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE RIGHT NOW HARD NUMBERS BECAUSE OF THAT. IF I COULD JUMP ON THAT, DO YOU, UM, DO YOU EXPECT THAT THE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU HAVE SET ASIDE SOME OF THESE UNITS FOR WILL HAVE WAGES COMMENCE WITH THAT PROFILE? UH, [02:15:01] BASICALLY THE WAY THAT WE ARE THINKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES, UH, THEY WILL HAVE, UM, UM, UH, REBATE A PERCENTAGE OF REDUCTION REGARDLESS OF THE PRICE AND THE WAGE. SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE A PERCENTAGE. YOU'RE GONNA MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR EMPLOYEES YES. SO THEY CAN STAY ON PROPERTY? YES. UH, OF COURSE, THIS IS CONDITIONAL TO THEIR LENGTH IN SERVICE, AND WE ARE PLANNING TO PLAY WITH THAT NUMBER TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE EMPLOYED FOR LONGER. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. SURE. UM, I GUESS I'M DIRECT DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED SOMETIMES, BUT, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE A POINTER, BUT WHERE'S THE MURAL GONNA BE? IF THE EAST, WHICH IT'S THE, THE FALL, IS IT, UH, THE EAST FACADE ON THE EAST PROPERTY LINE OF BUILDING ONE, WHICH IS NEXT TO ENTERPRISE RENTAL CAR. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT'D BE THAT. SO IS THAT ? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S AN ODD PLACE TO PUT IT BECAUSE WHO'S GONNA SEE IT? PART OF THE MURAL IS, UM, A MASSING ISSUE. ALSO. THAT FACADE IS 900 SQUARE FOOT, ANYTHING OVER 800 SQUARE FOOT, UM, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF RELIEF. YEAH. RELIEF. SO A MURAL IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. SO WE FELT THAT, THAT WE WOULD DO THAT ON THAT. SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH, IT MIGHT HELP YOU FIND THE PLACE, BUT YEAH, OTHERWISE, OKAY. , IF YOU'RE WALKING ALONG 89 A, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT ALSO. SO, OKAY. NOW, I THINK, AND IT'S ALSO WE'RE OPENING IT UP TO A NATIVE AMERICAN ARTIST. UM, SO I, I, IN MY MIND, IT WAS KIND OF NEAT TO GET SOMEBODY INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT AND, AND, UH, GET THEM TO DISPLAY SOME OF THEIR ART. SO, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO LOOK AT IT. AND SO, HMM. UM, CAN I ASK YOU, I I, CAN I ASK ONE MORE? OH, GO AHEAD. YES. I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE. JUST ONE. YEAH. SO THERE ARE BYPRODUCTS FOR MAKING MEAT, I ASSUME. UH, AND THERE ARE BYPRODUCTS FROM ROASTING COFFEE. I GUESS, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THOSE? IS THERE A MARKET FOR THAT? UH, DOES IT GET COMPOSTED? I'M NOT AWARE OF, UM, BYPRODUCTS FROM MEAT, BUT FROM, UM, COFFEE, THERE IS COFFEE GROUNDS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , BECAUSE WE WOULD BE SERVING OUR COFFEE. AND, UM, I GUESS, UM, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THAT WOULD GO TO, TO WASTE AS FAR AS I, I KNOW THERE ARE VERY FEW WAYS IN WHICH YOU CAN RECYCLE COFFEE GROUNDS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME COMPANIES THAT ARE, UH, PLAYING IN THAT AREA, BUT NONE ARE AROUND. DID YOU COLLABORATE WITH A LOCAL FARM FOR YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S AN EASILY COMPOSTABLE ITEM FOR, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT INI, AND WE DO, WE DO MOLD, SO WE COLLABORATE WITH FARMS, DEFINITELY. BUT, UM, ON COFFEE GROUNDS, IT'S HARD TO, UH, PREDICT THE ACIDITY IN ORDER TO MAKE SOME OF IT. THAT IS REALLY USEFUL FOR, FOR, AS A FERTILIZER WE TRIED AND IT'S KIND OF SOMETIMES TOO ACIDIC, SOMETIMES NOT ENOUGH. SO IT'S HARD TO PREDICT AND YOU WANT TO BE CONSISTENT IN WHAT YOU PROVIDE RIGHT. TO PLANTS. I, I WAS LOOKING FOR SUSTAINABLE INITIATIVES IN THIS PROJECT. AND, AND CARRIE, I WANTED TO ASK IF IN THE FUTURE WE COULD HAVE, UM, SUSTAINABILITY PROVIDE COMMENTS YEAH. ON ALL OF OUR NEW PROJECTS. YEAH. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TURNOVER IN THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT. YES. AND I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY STABLE RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE BEGUN WORKING WITH THEM TO INTEGRATE THEM INTO THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE. OKAY. SO YOU SHOULD BE SEEING MORE OF THAT. WELL, THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO START WITH IS, YOU'RE GONNA BE DEMOING ALL THE BUILDINGS. ARE YOU GOING TO BE USING ANY OF THOSE MATERIALS? UM, YES. UM, ACTUALLY THE HABIT, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, UH, WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH THEM. SO WE ARE WAITING, UM, TO COORDINATE WITH THE DEMOLITION TEAMS TO HAVE THEM EXCELLENT, UH, REUSE ALL THAT MATERIAL. EXCELLENT. AND DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT YOUR ON ONSITE WATER CONSUMPTION WILL BE? I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR [02:20:01] PRODUCTS FROM THE CAMP VERDE FACILITY, CORRECT? YES. BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR ONSITE WATER CONSUMPTION FOR ROASTING BEANS AND THE OTHER THINGS? THERE IS NO WATER FOR ROASTING BEANS. THERE IS WATER FOR MEAT, BUT ALL THAT WATER GOES INTO THE BOTTLES AND TO THE CONSUMERS THAT ARE DRINKING THAT MEAT. SO IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO KITCHEN USE? YES. OKAY. AND, UM, WE, WE DID, UH, HAVE, WE HAD A HUGE SOLAR PROJECT IN GEOTHERMAL, UM, THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE HERE. THAT'S WHY THE ROOF IS SLANTED. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, PREVIOUS SUBMITTALS, THERE ARE SOLAR PANELS ON IT. IT IS JUST, UM, UH, SOLAR PANELS ARE NOT THERE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH POWER TO, FOR COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS AND REALLY SPEND A LOT OF TIME TO MAKE THESE, UH, SUSTAINABLE BOTH ON GEOTHERMAL AND ON SOLAR. ARE YOU DOING GEOTHERMAL? NO, WE CANNOT. WE TRY TO. AND, UH, THE, UH, PARKING AND THE PARKING, IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, COVERING TOO MUCH OF THE SPACE THAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, DRILLING FOR GEOTHERMAL AND, UH, GEOTHERMAL COMBINED WITH SOLAR, IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE SPACE ENOUGH TO, TO PROVIDE, TO MAKE THOSE TECHNOLOGIES. SO THOSE THINGS ARE NOT FEASIBLE AT THIS MOMENT FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL USE. AND IF YOU WERE TO INCLUDE THE CARPORTS, EVEN THAT PLUSHER, THE ROOFTOPS, YOU COULDN'T GET THERE? NO, NO. AND WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE SOLARS IN ALL OUR PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN, BUT, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, TWO SIDE 2, 2 2 STORAGE MM-HMM. , AND WHEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. IT'S LIKE YOU CAN GET MAYBE 20% OF THE POWER AND THE COST IS HUGE. LIKE, UH, THE BATTERY THAT WE WERE, UH, CONTRACTED TO GET WAS A QUARTER OF MILLION, AND, UH, IT WOULD SUPPLY ONLY 25% OF WHAT WE NEEDED. HAD YOU CONSIDERED RAINWATER HARVESTING FROM YOUR BUILDINGS FOR YOUR LANDSCAPING? UM, NO. WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT IN CONVERTI, BUT, UH, NOT, NOT IN SEDONA. THERE ARE, THERE ARE PROS AND CONS ON DOING THAT. AND, UM, IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW CLEAN IS THE AIR IN THE AREA AND HOW, UM, YOU ARE TREATING THAT WATER THAT YOU ARE GETTING. SO IT GETS A BIT COMPLEX AND COMPLICATED, AND YOU NEED TO HAVE SPACE TO DO ALL THAT WATER TREATMENT. I AM, UH, DESIGNING A WATER REUSE TREATMENT FOR OUR CONVERTER FACILITY BECAUSE, UH, WASHING MOLD MM-HMM. , WE HAVE LIKE 30 TONS OF MAL PER WEEK. MM-HMM. , SO WE, WE USE A LOT OF WATER, SO MM-HMM. , I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT MM-HMM. FOR HERE, IT'S, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. OKAY. DOES THIS PROJECT, UM, REQUIRE EV UM, THE HOOKUPS CODE FOR THE PARKING LOT? HELLO AGAIN? UM, SO ANY NEW COMMERCIAL PROJECT WITH NINE OR MORE PARKING SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED BY OUR AMENDMENTS TO HAVE, UH, TO BE EV READY. UH, SO THERE WOULD BE BASICALLY A RACEWAY FROM, UH, A PANEL THAT COULD SUPPORT EV CHARGERS, UH, TO A A, A PERCENTAGE OF SPACES. UH, THE NUMBER OF, UM, PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PIPED FOR FUTURE USE IS BASED UPON A PERCENTAGE. SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S A SMALL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, SO THERE MIGHT BE TWO, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE EV READY, SO NO WIRING, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT CHARGER, WHAT THE LOAD OF THAT CHARGER WOULD BE. SO IT'S JUST BRINGING THE RACEWAY OUT TO THAT LOCATION. AND, AND DO YOU, IS THERE A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL? UH, THERE IS, IN RESIDENTIAL, IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WE HAVE A SIMILAR REQUIREMENT IN THAT THERE BE A RACEWAY PROVIDED TO ADDRESS MULTI-FAMILY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID. SO NO MULTI-FAMILY WOULD BE UNDER THE COMMERCIAL CODE. OKAY. SO, YES. SO ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WAS FOR THE COMMERCIAL USE OR THE MULTI-FAMILY MM-HMM. , THOSE WOULD BE ADDED. AND THEN A PERCENTAGE HAVE TO, UM, BE MADE EV READY. OKAY. , WELL, I LOOKED UP COFFEE ROASTERS. I HAD TO LOOK UP MEAD, , . I HAD TO LOOK UP [02:25:01] A, A NUMBER OF THINGS TO GET MY HANDS AROUND THIS PROJECT, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT. A MIXED JUICE PROJECT WITH 15 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND WALK WALKABILITY AND IT'S PROXIMITY TO EVERYTHING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND THAT YOU'RE SETTING ASIDE SOME OF THOSE UNITS FOR EMPLOYEES, IT'S REMARKABLE. SO AS I EDUCATED MYSELF, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WHEN I WAS LOOKING UP ROASTERS WAS, UM, THAT YOU CAN GET SMOKE ABATEMENT, UM, EQUIPMENT. AND THERE WAS ONE INDIVIDUAL, I THINK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT AROMA OR SMOKE OR BOTH. SO IS IS THAT AN ADD-ON TO THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT MIGHT ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, YES. OR, OR IS THAT THE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT DOES IT. UM, LET ME ADD A DIFFERENT COMMENT. BASICALLY, WE DON'T ROAST DARK CO WE, WE ROAST ONLY MEDIUM, WHICH HAS NO, NO FUMES. SO, UM, INTERESTING. AND THE REASON WHY WE DO SO IS BECAUSE OUR COFFEE, IT'S A SPECIFIC SUBSPECIES OF ARABICA, WHICH IS BULL BONE, WHICH LOST ALL ITS AROMA IF YOU ROAST IT DARK. SO WE ARE VERY MUCH AGAINST, UM, UH, DARK ROASTING. WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE OILY BEANS, THAT MEANS THAT YOU LOST ALL THE AROMA. SO EVERYTHING THAT WE ROAST IS, UH, MEDIUM ROAST AND SINGLE ORIGIN. SO WE ARE, WE ARE NOT AN AVERAGE ROASTING COMPANY. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S, I'VE TAKEN ENOUGH TIME, GEORGE. I HAVE A LOT OF SITE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. OKAY. THIS IS IMPORTANT TIME. I'M GONNA SAVE FOR THE END. I WANNA UNDERSTAND YOUR BUSINESS MODEL. SO MAYBE YOU CAN BE THINKING ABOUT THIS. CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MANUFACTURING AND PROCESSING. UM, THERE'S RETAIL SALES, THERE'S TASTING. UM, I, I WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S DIS WE'LL COME BACK. OKAY. BUT I'M JUST LAYING AND OUT THERE, UM, DISTRIBUTION TO OTHER OUTLETS. I WANT TO GET MY ARMS AROUND WHAT THE WHOLE OPERATION LOOKS LIKE. YOUR TURN. LET ME GO. OKAY. SO I GUESS, UH, MY, MY FIRST COMMENT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SITE, I WAS REALLY, REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE, UH, THE PROBABLY 50 OR SIX YEAR OLD PINE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS BEING CUT DOWN FOR CONSIDERATION OF A POTENTIAL EASEMENT THAT MAY POTENTIALLY COME POTENTIALLY SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. MM. AND THE OWNER SEEM TO PUT THE, THE BLAME ON THE CITY OF SEDONA, UH, REQUIRING THAT TREE TO BE CUT DOWN. I GUESS I'D JUST LIKE TO CUT, CUT TO THE CHASE AND FIND OUT WHY. WHICH TREE WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? ON THE FAR NORTHWEST CORNER, RIGHT. WHERE THE EASEMENT IS GONNA GO THROUGH TO THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE LOT. SO ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER THEY DO HAVE THEIR SECONDARY DRIVEWAY THERE. RIGHT. THAT WAS THERE WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE ASKING FOR THE EASEMENT TO THE EAST. YEAH. AND IT'S 24 FEET. OH. BASED ON MY PACING IT OFF, MAYBE 30 FEET BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND WHERE THE TREE IS AT. AND I'M JUST WONDERING, UH, WHY IT'S COMING DOWN. DO YOU DO, ARE YOU ON A CERTAIN PAGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? OKAY. LIKE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT ON THE PLANS, BUT IT, SO I, I WOULD JUST SAY THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE LOT HAS REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONNECTION THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR TO THE PROPERTY OF THE EAST. THE, THE U SHAPE OF THE SITE PLAN, WE CAN BRING THAT UP. UM, I THINK IT MAY NOT BE ON THE DESK. I THINK THE OWNERS KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE SURVEY. YEAH. ON PAGE 14. DO YOU SEE IT THERE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING HERE? IT'S RIGHT HERE. OKAY. YEAH. SO PAGE 14, THERE'S A VIEW 35, 30 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. SO I JUST WONDERED, AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT GONNA MAKE HER BREAK THE PROJECT, BUT I JUST WONDERED. NO, IT'S ALWAYS, CUZ IT'S DIFFERENT COMPUTER. YEAH. THIS ONE. UM, SO I BELIEVE IT FALLS IN THE PARKING AREA AT THE, UH, THE NORTH WEST CORNER. BUT BASICALLY IT'S LIKE A SITE PLAN. YEAH. SO I MEAN, THE SITE PLAN IS NOT ROTATING HERE. [02:30:01] SO WE HAVE GOODROW ON THE NORTH SIDE. YEAH. BUT THIS AREA, IF THIS IS THE AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE THE EASEMENT THAT WE WERE ASKING THAT WE ASKED FOR AND THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING, UM, THE TREE IS SOUTH OF THAT. IT'S RIGHT IN RIGHT IN THAT AREA. RIGHT WHERE YOUR POINTER IS, LIKE IN THE LANDSCAPE, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE AREA. YEAH. ANYHOW, IF THAT TREE COULD BE SAVED, THAT'D BE GREAT. I THINK IF IT'S, IF IT FALLS WITHIN WITHOUT OUT OF THE PARKING, THEN WE WILL ATTEMPT TO SAVE. UH, CUZ A LOT OF THE PARKING, UH, UH, THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS WERE PUT TO SAVE A TREE, BASICALLY. SO IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO SAVE THAT TREE UP THERE, UH, WE'LL DO IT. OKAY. BUT, UH, I'LL HAVE TO SEE WHERE IT FALLS. I'M A LOCAL RESIDENT. I'LL TRY NOT TO CHAIN MYSELF TO THE TREE. , UH, LET'S MOVE FROM THAT SLOWLY SUBJECT. SO, UH, THIS, THIS SITE HAS A HISTORY OF FLOODING, UM, AS, UH, THE AREAS OF THE WILD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A 48 INCH STORM SEWER THAT COMES THROUGH IT'S OPEN CHANNEL RIGHT NOW. IT'S GONNA BE COVERED AS A CULVERT. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE MITIGATING THE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SPACE ON THE SITE BY PUTTING IN SOME, UH, UNDERGROUND DETENTION, WHICH WILL LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING FROM THE SITE ITSELF. UH, AND MAYBE THAT THIS CO COMES FROM THE ENGINEER OR NOT, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THE FLOODING CONDITIONS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ANY BETTER OR ANY WORSE BASED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. HELLO. UH, LUKE STON WITH SEPTON ENGINEERING. SEDONA. UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS SITE, UM, ESPECIALLY UPSTREAM, THERE'S A CULVERT UPSTREAM AND A HIGH HEADWATER ABOUT 12 FEET OF WATER OR 12 FEET DOWN. UM, IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE DRAINAGE THERE. SO INSTEAD OF DOING THE NORMAL, WHAT WE CALL THE HECK RAS OR ONE D STUDY, WE DID A TWO D STUDY THAT WAS A LOT MORE DETAILED OF LETTING US KNOW WHERE ALL THE WATER WAS GOING AROUND. HMM. UM, WE HAVE A FOUR BY FOUR FOX CULVERT THAT COMES INTO THE SITE. WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT WATER THROUGH, BUT BEING HERE LONG ENOUGH, I KNOW ALL THIS, UM, UH, WHEN SEDONA ROUGE WAS BEING BURIED BUILT, , UM, THE OWNERS CAME TO ME AT THAT TIME BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET THEIR PLANS, UH, APPROVED BY THE CITY OR THE COUNTY. AND THAT WAS BASICALLY BECAUSE, UM, THE, LIKE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PLANS, THERE WERE, THE ONE CULVERT WAS TWO FOOT OUTTA THE GROUND. IT DIDN'T WORK. UM, AND STAFF KNEW THAT AND THE COUNTY KNEW THAT. AND, BUT AFTER ABOUT 10 TIMES, I THINK, UM, THEY JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THE ENGINEERS SEALED ON IT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST GETTING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THEY GO TO THE COUNCIL AND SUPERVISORS AND GET CALLS TO STAFF. SO THEY DID IT, THEY PUT THAT PIPE IN. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS I'M GOING TO GET THAT WATER. IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY FLOW MORE EFFICIENT INTO THEIR PIPE. SO THERE'LL BE SOME REDUCTION THERE. AND THEN WE ARE TAKING CARE OF OUR INCREASE TO DO THAT, AND IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE CONTROL COMING ACROSS. OKAY. HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT HAVING MANHOLE COVERS POP. YEAH. UH, MY OTHER BIG ENGINEERING CONCERN IS THE, UM, INGRESS EGRESS FROM GOODROW. UM, I TURN AT THAT INTERSECTION PROBABLY 30 TIMES A WEEK, AND I'M CONSTANTLY HITTING THE CURB BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, GOOD RADIUS TURNING RADIS THERE AND SO FORTH. AND IF SOMEONE'S PULLING OUT, IT'S A STRUGGLE TO MAKE THE TURN TO GET INTO GOODROW AVENUE. UH, PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL, I BELIEVE THE NUMBER WAS 843 VEHICLES PER DAY AT THAT INTERSECTION. UH, TRYING TO MAKE LEFT HAND TURNS, UH, WHEN TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP FROM RODEO. MM-HMM. , UH, IT'S GONNA BE BAD NEWS THERE. MM-HMM. . UM, IT'D BE GREAT IF IT WERE A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT'S IN THE WORKS FOR THAT LOCATION. UM, AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS ALSO HOW, UH, THE OWNERS ARE GONNA MANAGE THE TRAFFIC FROM THE COMMERCIAL OPERATION AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL OPERATION. KEEPING IT GOING FROM GOING THROUGH, UH, THE WILD PARKING LOT, UH, GOING UP GOOD ROW AND HAVING PEOPLE ROAM THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'M, UH, ALSO A [02:35:01] RESIDENT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, IF TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP THERE, PEOPLE, I WOULD DO THE SAME THING. PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK FOR THE OBVIOUS OPTION OF GETTING OUT OF THERE, AND THEY'RE GONNA CUT THROUGH THE WILD, THEY'RE GONNA CUT THROUGH THE PARKING LOTS, FRONT PARKING LOT. THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE BACK PARKING LOT, THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH BENNETT, THEY'RE GONNA GO ANYWHERE THEY CAN GO TO AVOID THAT INTERSECTION. SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE CONTROLLED. MM-HMM. , UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY ACCIDENT ANALYSIS DONE FOR, UH, GOODROW LANE AT 89 A, UM, UH, CONSIDERING I'VE BEEN IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING MANY TIMES, I, I'VE GOTTA THINK THAT THERE'VE BEEN ACCENTS OF THAT LOCATION AND I ONLY, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT AND I THINK THIS IS A PROBLEM WITHOUT A REAL SOLUTION. MM-HMM. , BUT IT'S GONNA CREATE CONGESTION. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE MM-HMM. BACKED UP THERE TRYING TO GET OUT MM-HMM. AND I'LL WAIT FOR, FOR THE COMMENTS FROM THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE WILD, BUT I'M SURE HE'S GONNA HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. MM-HMM. , UH, JUST BOUNCE OFF TRAFFIC FOR ONE QUICK MOMENT. IS THERE IRRIGATION ON SITE FOR LANDSCAPING? NOPE. YEAH. AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, IT DOES CALL FOR IRRIGATION TO BE, UH, INSTALLED AND AND MAINTAINED. OKAY. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. YOU NEED ANY ANSWERS FOR ME OR, OR SURE. IF YOU YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I'LL, I'LL PUT IT THIS WAY. I WILL LOOK AT THE DRIVE OR THE CONNECTION WITH 89 A IN THAT DRIVEWAY AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEEPER, UM, IN ACCIDENTS. I HAD AN ACCIDENT COMING OUT OF THE WILDS OR SEDONA ROUGE, I WAS THERE AND TRAFFIC WAS THERE AND I BACKED UP AND HIT AN INSURANCE SALESMAN, INSURANCE MAN. SO I JUST SAID, HERE'S MY CARD. , IT WAS, IT WAS JUST A BUMP. BUT YEAH, WE GOT, IT'S A TOUGH, TOUGH, TOUGH LOCATION. YEAH. YEAH. IT IS. AND AS WE WORK TO GET CONNECTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, UM, IT HELPS TO GET PEOPLE AWAY FROM THOSE. BUT THAT CITY, THE CITY HAS THAT ISSUE BUILT IN, BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME WITH A, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND I KNOW STAFF IS REALLY TRYING TO WORK TO CON CONSOLIDATE DRIVEWAYS AND GET PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS OR CONNECT THROUGH THUNDER MOUNTAIN INSTEAD. SO YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE WITH ADOT THAN I HAVE. UH, I'M SURE IT'S NO EASY TASK TO GET THEM TO CHANGE AN INTERSECTION LIKE THAT. . UM, YEAH. SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO AN ACT TO GOD, I, YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT IS. I GO, UM, I THINK ANYTIME WE HAVE TO GET THEM MOVING ON A PERMIT, AN ATTORNEY HAS TO SEND 'EM A LETTER AND THEN WE GET IT IN A DAY, BUT WE'LL WAIT FOR MONTHS. UM, THEY'RE JUST REAL BUSY. THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AND YOU KNOW, THESE LITTLE PROJECTS ARE NOT HIGH ON THEIR LIST, SO, BUT YEAH, WE GOTTA GET THE SIDEWALK OUT FRONT, SO THAT'S GONNA TAKE ME A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO CLOSING THE DRIVEWAY? YEAH. IN FRONT NO CLOSING APP AND NO, LIKE THAT, THAT'S A BIG BONUS. RIGHT. SO MAYBE GIVE THEM A BONE AND GET A LITTLE BIT BACK MAYBE. YEAH. MAYBE , BUT HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS OR GAVE YOU YEAH. IT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTIONS. THAT WAS CERTAINLY SOMETHING I NOTICED TODAY ON THE SITE SIDEWALK WAS IT SEEMED HOW NARROW THAT ROAD WAS. MM-HMM. . UM, SO YEAH, I, I CAN SEE THAT'S GONNA BE A CONFLICT. I'M, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING IT IN THE COMMUNITY AND ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A POTENTIAL FOR A LIVE WORK MM-HMM. SITUATION IS JUST AWESOME. SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. UM, UH, WHAT'S THE INTENTION, GOING BACK TO THE PARKING, LIKE WHAT ABOUT DELIVERY TRUCKS AND HOW IS THAT GONNA IMPACT THE FLOW OF THE RESIDENTS AND THE GOOD? ROLLING? UM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE BUSINESS, WE DO HAVE THE, UM, WAREHOUSE AND STORAGE IN CONVERTI, UHHUH, , AND IT'S UNDER OUR CONTROL. SO WE'LL BE DOING THIS, UM, AT, UM, UM, NIGHTTIME AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE WILL MITIGATE FOR THOSE FOR THE, UH, MEAT AND COFFEE SHOP. BUT IS THE PLAN, I ASSUME WOULDN'T BE TO LIKE, STOP WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR FLASHERS ON A GOOD ROW, YOU WOULD PULL INTO THE PROPERTY TO UNLOAD. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, IS IT THAT LITTLE, UH, TRIANGLE? OKAY. YEAH, IT'S A DELIVERY AREA THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. [02:40:01] AND PERMEABLE PAVEMENTS, IS THAT A CONSIDERATION FOR THE PARKING TAGGING ONTO YOUR SUSTAINABILITY? MM-HMM. , WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT, BUT, UH, UM, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AS FAR AS YOUR DRAINAGE DOES IT? NO. NO. HOW, BUT IT HELPS. YEAH. YEAH. NO, IT WOULD MM-HMM. DEFINITELY HELP A LITTLE BIT. UM, OKAY. GOOD TIME. COLLIE HAS A QUESTION. COLLIE, UM, IS THERE BIKE PARKING ANYWHERE FOR THE SITE DAM? YES. THERE'S THREE, THREE BIKE PARKING STALLS BASICALLY THAT COULD TAKE THREE OR FOUR BIKES. ONE NEAR THE, UH, THREE OR FOUR BIKES TOTAL, OR NO, THREE SETS OF THREE OR FOUR. THREE SETS OF THREE OR FOUR. YEAH. OKEY DOKEY. IT ARE ANY OF THE UNITS DESIGNATED A D ADA, THERE'LL HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. AND, AND BASICALLY IN BUILDING FOUR, UH, IS THE BEST ACCESSIBLE, UH, BUILDING RIGHT NOW. SO PROBABLY A COUPLE OF THOSE, UH, LOWER UNITS WILL BE ACCESSIBLE UNITS. SO MAYBE TWO WHATEVER'S REQUIRED BY THE, THE CODE. YEAH. YES, THERE IS, UH, WITHIN THE ADA THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A NUMBER BASED UPON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS. SO, AND WHAT DOES THAT COME UP TO FOR THIS PROJECT? GENERALLY IT'S, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S UP TO 25 IS ONE, BUT I PLEASE DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT 5%. YEAH. SO YOU'VE WORKED THAT INTO YOUR PLANS? YEAH. OKAY. AND WE HAVE ACCESSIBLE PARKING, UM, WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, I THINK. SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT SOUNDPROOFING AND INSULATION FOR THE UNITS THAT ARE OVER COMMERCIAL USES. ARE YOU BEEFING UP ANY OF THAT? THERE'LL BE A, A CONCRETE, UH, POUR ON THE UPPER FLOOR. OH. UH, THEN WE HAVE ABOUT 20 INCHES OF, UH, TRUSS SPACE THAT WILL INSULATE AND MM-HMM. AND, AND OKAY. SO YEAH. AND THE OWNERS ARE UP THERE, SO THEY WANT, THEY WANNA LISTEN, SO, BUT WILL, WILL THEY, BUT THERE ARE OTHER UNITS WHERE YEAH, THERE ARE TOP OVER. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO ASKED DURING THE SITE VISIT IF THERE WAS A, MAYBE THE MAN FROM THE WILD, UM, ABOUT, UM, GATHERING SPACES OUTSIDE. IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR MUSIC OR, UH, ANY KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT OUT THERE? NO. BASICALLY THE, UH, WITH THE MULTI-FAMILY, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF AMENITY. SO WE HAVE TWO SMALL RAMADA ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER WITH A PICNIC TABLE AND A, A BARBECUE BASICALLY. MM-HMM. . UM, OTHER THAN THAT, NO, THERE'S NOT, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS FOR THE COFFEE SHOP IN THE METERY, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT JUST BE OUTDOOR SEATING, NOT AN EVENT SPACE. I DON'T THINK IT'S LARGE ENOUGH FOR, NO, IT'S, THEY'RE SMALL. MM-HMM. , WHAT IS THE TOTAL SEATING CAPACITY FOR ALL USES IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDINGS? I ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PARKING FOR A SECOND. AND THE, AND THE USE OF THE BUILDING. BASICALLY WE'RE PARKED FOR A RESTAURANT, AND THIS IS NOT A RESTAURANT, IT'S A TASTING ROOM. UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A 400 SQUARE FOOT KITCHEN MM-HMM. AND A 4,800 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. UH, THAT KITCHEN'S GONNA BE FOR PASTRIES, UH, SOME TOPS, MAYBE FINGER FOOD. BUT BASICALLY WITH MEAT, THEY HAVE TO, UH, UH, DO FRUITS AND CHOCOLATES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BOIL 'EM. AND SO THE KITCHEN IS BASICALLY TO SUPPORT THE, THE MEATY AND THE COFFEE ROASTING. SO BASICALLY RIGHT NOW WE'RE PARKED FOR RESTAURANT USE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE AT 52. IF WE, IF WE PARKED IT AS A TASTING ROOM, WHICH IS IN THE CODE, UH, WE'D BE AT 36. SO OUR USE, THEY'RE SMALL TASTING ROOMS BASICALLY IS HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THE, THE PROJECT. UH, COFFEE WILL BE IN THE MORNING FOR TASTING, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE MEAD TASTING IN THE AFTERNOON. UH, NOT NECESSARILY, YOU'RE NOT COMING THERE TO EAT DINNER, BASICALLY, IT'S JUST A TASTING ROOM. MM-HMM. , UH, WHEN YOU'RE MAKING KOMBUCHA TOO, RIGHT? KOMBUCHA. YEAH. YEAH. SO DO YOU OTHERS? SO AS FAR AS THE SEATING, UM, I ACTUALLY HAVEN'T COUNTED, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY'RE SMALL. WELL, I COULD SEE YOU HAD TABLES. YEAH. SMALL TASTING AREAS YEAH. IN THE COMMERCIAL SPACES, [02:45:01] BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY ACCOMMODATED, SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THAT FIGURE IS BOTH IN AN OUTSIDE SEATING. DO YOU, I COULD COUNT. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE ABOUT 10 TABLES IN THE METERY AND ABOUT MAYBE ANOTHER DOZEN SEATS AT THE BAR. AND THEN ABOUT SEVEN TABLES IS WHAT THEIR PATIO IS SHOWING FOR OUTSIDE. SO TABLES OF FOUR TABLES, HIGH TOPS, AND TWO, BOTH , BOTH. I MEAN, THERE'S, THEY RANGE FROM TWO TO FOUR SEATS, SO. OKAY. WILL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. THE GOOD THING ABOUT COMING THIS TIME IS THAT THEY'VE ALL BEEN AT LEAST ATTEMPTED TO BE ANSWERED. THEY'VE ALL BEEN ASKED. SO . OKAY. SO I, UM, MR. GOMA, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE, THE DIFFERENT OPERATIONS OF, OF THIS BUSINESS. AND THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS, YOU'RE GONNA DO SOME WORK IN CAMP VERDE, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'RE BRINGING PRODUCT UP TO, TO YOUR SEDONA SITE? THERE ARE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES, BUT MOST OF THAT IS, WELL, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE WHOLE OPERATION? THERE ARE MULTIPLE BUSINESS YES. BUSINESSES INVOLVED. UM, MY WIFE IS THE FINANCE GURU THAT PUT THE WHOLE FRAMEWORK TOGETHER, SO I'M THE ENGINEER THAT JUST TUNES THE NUMBER. SO, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE COFFEE SHOP, IT'S A DIFFERENT COMPANY THAN THE, UH, MICRO BREWERY AND WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE MALT HOUSE IN CONVERTI. THERE ARE TWO, THREE DIFFERENT COMPANIES, AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE COMPANY THAT RENTS THE APARTMENTS. AS THEN HAS EXPLAINED FOR THE, UH, FINANCE FOR FINANCIAL, UH, PURPOSES ARE AND THESE COMPANIES ARE HELD BY YOU? YES, BY BOTH OF US. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL OF THEM. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING SOME MANUFACTURING OFFSITE OR PROCESSING OF PRODUCT? YES, YES. OKAY. AND THEN BRINGING IT TO THE SITE. YES. AND UH, BASICALLY WE ARE ALSO ROASTING ONSITE. THE COFFEE BEANS WILL BE ROASTED ON SITE. YES. WE DO HOPE HAVE ALSO ROASTER IN CONVERTI. SO WE HAVE, UM, A SMALL, UM, COFFEE SHOP AND TASTING ROOM INI, BUT THAT'S FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE. THAT'S FOR, UH, SELLING OUR MAL AND, BUT WE ALSO HAVE COFFEE THERE TOO. OKAY. AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE RETAIL SALES. THE PEOPLE WILL TASTE, BUT THEY ALSO CAN BUY THE PRODUCT, WHETHER IT'S COFFEE OR KOMBUCHA OR MEAD IN PRINCIPLE, YES. BUT, UH, OUR BUSINESS MODEL, IT'S FOCUSED ON THE, UM, TAP ROOM AND ON THE COFFEE THAT YOU SELL ON SITE? NOT THAT MUCH. YEAH. WE DO HAVE COFFEE BAGS THAT YOU CAN BUY. WE STILL HAVE THEM RIGHT NOW ONLINE. YES. BUT THAT'S NOT, UH, UH, OUR MAIN SOURCE OF REVENUE. SO YOU HAVE TASTING ROOMS, BUT IS THE POINT OF THE TASTING ROOM THEN TO BUY THE PRODUCT? N N IN? SHE'S SAYING YES. SHE'S SAYING YES, , BUT THE, THE, THE POINT IS THAT YOU ARE TASTING THOSE MEATS AND, UM, UM, YOU ARE DRINKING THOSE FLIGHTS OF MEATS MM-HMM. THERE. MM-HMM. , OTHERWISE WE WOULD'VE JUST, UH, BOTTLED THEM IN AND WENT WITH THEM TO A STORE. RIGHT. SO THERE'S THE EXPERIENCE, THERE'S THE PURCHASE, AND YOU WILL HAVE PRODUCT SALES THERE. IN PRINCIPLE, YES. BUT THE, THE WHOLE BUSINESS PLAN THAT WE PUT TOGETHER IS BASED ON SALES, ON SITE, NOT ON SALES, UM, IN STORES OR FOOD DISTRIBUTOR. OKAY. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION. ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO BE PLACING YOUR PRODUCTS IN OTHER VENUES? IN PRINCIPLE, NO. UH, WHAT WE WILL DO, WE WILL RECIPROCATE, LIKE, UH, IF WE GET, UH, UH, SOME PRODUCTS THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE ADVERTISES OUR, OUR, UM, MAL THAT WE DO, UH, SO SOME BREWER IS USING OUR MAL, WE WOULD HAVE THEIR BEER, UH, IN, IN OUR, IN OUR SHOP, FOR EXAMPLE, IN CONVERTI. MM-HMM. , OR, UM, IF SOMEONE DOES A COLLABORATION WITH US, WITH OUR COFFEE AND MAKES A MEAT WITH THAT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THEIR MEAT. SO IN, IN THAT SENSE, YES. AND IS THERE ANY OTHER MEATY OPERATING IN NORTHERN ARIZONA? UM, THERE IS ONE IN FLAGSTAFF, AND THERE IS A BIG ONE IN PRESCOTT. SO SUPERSTITION, MEATY, I THINK IS THE BIGGEST IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY. THANK YOU. [02:50:04] COULD I ASK, YOU SAID YOUR CO UH, COFFEE WAS SINGLE ORIGIN. WHERE DOES IT COME FROM? UM, WE HAVE, UH, A FEW SPECIFIC FARMS THAT WE COLLABORATE WITH. ONE OF THEM, IT'S IN, IN GUATEMALA. ANOTHER ONE IS SUMATRA, ANOTHER ONE. IT'S, UH, PAPUA NEW GUINEA. UH, THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER ONE IN RWANDA. WE, WE HAVE A SPECIFIC FARMS THAT WE WORK WITH THAT HAVE, UM, VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF BULLON BUSHES, WHICH WE ARE SEEKING. THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, REALLY WHAT WE, WHAT WE ARE ROASTING. AND YOU'RE DOING SOME AMOUNT OF CHOCOLATE PRODUCTION? YES. WE ALSO DO SINGLE ORIGIN CHOCOLATE. SO WE, WE SOURCE OUR, UM, COCOA BEANS, WE ROAST THEM, AND THEN WE GRIND THEM INTO CHOCOLATE. OKAY. BIT OF MAGIC AND ALL THAT. , YOU'RE TALKINGS GOING TO BE VERY POPULAR. . 18 MONTHS, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? ? YEAH. UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT JOHN IS. JOHN. JOHN BASU IS OUR CONTRACTOR, SO THAT'S WHAT HE TELLS ME. AND, UM, I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA TRY TO HOLD HIM TO THAT . SO WHAT ARE THE, UM, POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THE ADJACENT HOTEL WITH RESPECT TO DELIVERIES OR TRAFFIC OR RESIDENT, UM, RESIDENT POPULATION? DID YOU SAY THAT YOUR DELIVERIES WOULD BE IN THE EVENING? YES. UM, SO THERE WILL BE PRETTY MUCH OUT OF, UM, WE'LL FIND CONVENIENT TIME THAT, UH, IT'S NOT DISTURBING FOR ANYBODY, UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S REALLY, UM, TRAFFIC BETWEEN OUR BUSINESSES. SO CONVERTED TO SEDONA AND BACK MM-HMM. MM-HMM. , BECAUSE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF PROXIMITY THERE BETWEEN LODGING UNITS AND YOUR BUSINESS. SURE. YES. SO I, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE TWO PARTIES WOULD TRY TO AGREE ON THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT, DEFINITELY. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO WALK BEFORE WE CAN RUN. SO WE NEED TO SEE, UM, WHAT'S THE IMPACT AND, AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS THEY COME. MM-HMM. , IT'S HARD TO, TO, UH, IMAGINE THE, UH, THE IMPACT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA BE THE VOLUME, THAT VOLUME WE WILL BE RUNNING AND, UM MM-HMM. , HOW IT'S GONNA BE THE CUSTOMER BASE OFFSET IT. MAYBE, UH, MORE PEOPLE ARE FAVORABLE TO COFFEE THAN, UH, TO MEET, OR, YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO BE IN THE AFTERNOON THERE. NOT IN THE EVENING. WE DON'T KNOW THAT. MM-HMM. , FAIR ENOUGH. I THINK THE BIG THING IS THAT, UH, THERE'S NOT A THIRD PARTY DELIVERY. BASICALLY, THEY, THEY CAN CONTROL MM-HMM. WHAT THE BEST TIME WOULD BE. MM-HMM. . SO, YEAH. WHICH IS I THINK A GOOD, THEY'RE DELIVERING TO THEMSELVES. YEAH. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. UM, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC FORUM, AND I HAVE JUST TWO CARDS HERE. UH, THE FIRST IS FROM JOHN BEZOS AND FOLLOWED BY JAY CHRISTIE. IF YOU'LL COME UP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOHN BAUSE. I'M WITH TIER VERDE BUILDERS. WE STARTED THIS EVENING, WHICH YOU HAD REMARKS THAT YOU HAD GONE TO AMBI, AND MOST OF YOU WERE JUST VERY APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT HAPPENED. UH, WE WERE THE, UH, GENERAL CONTRACTOR THAT TOOK THE PLACE AFTER PHIL MORRIS UNEXPECTEDLY PASSED AWAY. UM, IT WAS A, IT WAS A GREAT PROJECT. WHEN I LOOK AT PROJECTS AS A CONTRACTOR, UM, I LOOK AT QUALITY. UH, WE ARE NOT A COMPANY THAT LOOKS FOR EVERY KIND OF JOB. WE LOOK FOR QUALITY. AMBI. DEONTAY WAS A QUALITY PROJECT. WHEN WE DECIDED TO WORK WITH SERGIO AND OPHELIA, WE WERE THE ONES CHOSEN TO DO THEIR PROJECT IN CAMP VERDE. I MOVED TO SEDONA 40 YEARS AGO AND 40 YEARS AGO, IT WAS HARD TO FIND A CUP OF COFFEE AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK . IN FACT, THOSE OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE, YOU REALIZE THAT YOU HAD TO GO TO ARBY'S TO FIND A CUP OF COFFEE AFTER FOUR O'CLOCK OR AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK. I REMEMBER WHEN I WENT TO PROPOSE FOR MY WIFE, WHO'S NOW MY WIFE OF 36 YEARS, I COULD NOT FIND A JEWELRY STORE OPEN AFTER THREE O'CLOCK. I HAD TO TAKE OFF WORK SO I COULD BUY THE RING, SO I COULD PROPOSE TO HER THAT WEEKEND. [02:55:02] YOU SEE, WHAT WE LOOK AT AS A COMPANY IS WE ALSO FOCUS ON CHARACTER. CHARACTER IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN PLANNING AND ZONING. YOU SEE, FOR ME, DEVELOPMENT IS A LIFE BUD OF ANY COMMUNITY. YOU SEE, DEVELOPERS ARE KIND OF LIKE MODERN DAY EXPLORERS. THEY HAVE TO TAKE GREAT RISK. THEY HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY JUST TO GET TO THIS COMMISSION. A LOT OF MONEY. AND I'M NOT SAYING DAN'S EXPENSIVE, , I'M JUST SAYING IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY. THEY HAVE TO INVEST HEAVILY IN COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE TO SACRIFICE MONTHS AND YEARS. YES. THEY'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR THREE YEARS. I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT WHEN WE MET THEM THREE YEARS AGO, THEY WERE YOUNGER. . SO WAS I. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY DECISION THAT IS MADE HAS AN IMPACT ON NEIGHBORS. I WAS COUNTING ON THE WAY HERE. I THINK I'VE BEEN TO OVER 50 PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS IN EIGHT DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, AND THE CONCERNS ARE ALWAYS THERE. PARKING, YES. WATER, YES. BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, WITHOUT DEVELOPERS WHO ARE, TO ME, MODERN DAY, CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS'S, IMAGINE A LIFE WITHOUT HOUSES. SOMEONE HAD TO RISK IN ORDER TO SET UP A SUBDIVISION. IMAGINE LIFE WITHOUT HORSES HOUSES. SORRY. I'M FROM CAMP VERDE. NOW, WITHOUT SUBDIVISIONS, WITHOUT COFFEE SHOPS, WITHOUT RESTAURANTS. IF SOMEONE HADN'T TAKEN THE TIME, WE'D BE LOST. LET ME JUST SAY THAT WHAT THIS PROJECT DOES IS IT ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS ALMOST ALL THE BASIC NEEDS OF A MANKIND HERE IN SEDONA, , FOOD, SHELTER, COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, IT'S ALL THERE. MM-HMM. . AND I THINK IT'S GREAT IF NEIGHBORS COULD WORK TOGETHER, BECAUSE PARKING AFFECTS NOT ONLY THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR, BUT IT ALSO AFFECTS THEIR PROJECT. IT GOES BOTH WAYS. AND I THINK THAT A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO MAKE IT WORK FOR ALL PEOPLE WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. JAY CHRISTIE. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER REPRESENTING THE WILD RESORT IN SPA, LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR THE LONG EVENING STAFF. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK, SERGIO. OPHELIA. BEAUTIFUL. WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL. UM, ANY ENHANCEMENT WILL BE MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT RESIDES THERE TODAY. , UM, TO GIVE YOU OUR HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T RECEIVE A LETTER, A PACKET, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT UNTIL MAY 15TH FROM DAN. UM, AND THEN WHEN I CALLED THE CITY A FEW DAYS LATER TO SAY, HEY, WHEN ARE RESPONSES DUE? I WAS TOLD, IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE INCLUDED, WHICH THEY ARE IN YOUR PACKET, UM, THAT WAS MAY 30TH. SO WE'VE BEEN PRETTY RUSHED. AND ALTHOUGH WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT, UM, I THINK SERGIO SAID IT, LET'S WALK BEFORE WE RUN. WE'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO HAVE GOOD COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATION, AS WAS MENTIONED BY DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH SERGIO, OPHELIA, DAN AND WHOEVER. UM, TO REALLY MAKE SURE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, OUR CONCERNS, UM, ARE HEARD. WHICH IN THE PACKET I OUTLINED, UM, PARKING IS A CONCERN. UM, IT'S A CONCERN EVEN TODAY WITH NOTHING THERE AS DIFFERENT PLACES LIKE COFFEE POT, , PINK JEEP, THEY ALL USE OUR PROPERTY. AND IT GETS USED ALSO AS MENTIONED BY, UH, THE COMMISSIONER. OUR PROPERTY'S BEING USED AS A CUT THROUGH. THE MINUTE RESIDENTS REALIZE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT LEFT HAND TURN. THEY CUT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY, CUT THROUGH THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY AND GET TO THE STOP LIGHT THAT WAY. SO THE, THE TRAFFIC IS PRETTY, PRETTY HEAVY NOW, JUST ON GOOD ROAD BETWEEN OUR GUESTS AND THE RESIDENTS. MM-HMM. . UM, SO PARKING IS A BIG CONCERN. I I DON'T SEE REDUCING THIS, THIS, UH, PARKING NUMBER TO THE NUMBER THEY WANT, CUZ EVENTUALLY IT'S GONNA OVERFLOW ONTO THE WILD. UM, AS WITH TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, UM, WE DO HAVE TWO CONCERNS WITH THE CIRCULATION. IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE CUT THROUGH OF THE PROPERTY, BUT GOODROW, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, COMMISSIONER IS INCREDIBLY NARROW ROAD. UM, AND THAT TURN IS DANGEROUS. MM-HMM. , IT'S DANGEROUS FOR OUR GUESTS. WE DON'T RECOMMEND OUR GUESTS GO OUT OUR FRONT ENTRY. IF THEY'RE GONNA TURN LEFT, WE ALWAYS PUSH 'EM TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE STOP LIGHT MM-HMM. , UM, IF THEY'LL, IF THEY'LL DO IT. UM, SO WE WOULD DO WANT SOME TIME TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH DEVELOPMENT AND THE OWNERS. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE ODORS ARE BEING MITIGATED, BUT THERE'S THAT POTENTIAL TO MOVE FROM MEDIUM ROAST TO DARK ROAST, WHATEVER PUBLIC WOULD PERHAPS HAVE A CHANGE IN DEMAND. UM, SO THAT POTENTIAL'S THERE, I DON'T HAVE ANY CLARITY ON THE FERMENTATION. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER FERMENTING IS ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE THERE IN CAMP VERDE. SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONVERSATION [03:00:01] WITH THAT. SO WE JUST ASK FOR SOME TIME, UM, TO TALK THIS THROUGH. BUT WE'RE IN FULL FAVOR, UH, FULL, UH, SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE TOO THINK IT'S A HIGH QUALITY PROJECT BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED. WE THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UNBELIEVABLE FOR OUR RESORT GUESTS, . UM, BUT NOISE WILL BE ANOTHER CONCERN WE'LL WANT TO TALK THROUGH. MM-HMM. , UM, THAT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE WHEN YOU'RE PARKED RIGHT NEXT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, A HOTEL. SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MORE TALK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I OH YOU. OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY COMMENTS THEY WISH TO MAKE ANY FOLLOW UP, UH, QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. UM, SOMETHING I STARTED WITH HANUKKAH THIS MORNING ABOUT THE CONDITION OF GOOD, UH, GOOD ROW. THE PAVING ITSELF, ASIDE FROM THE NARROW ASPECT AND ASIDE FROM THE TURN ANGLES AND ALL THAT, IT'S KIND OF NOT IN GREAT SHAPE. SO I, I DID GO BACK AND LOOK TO SEE IF IT'S ON THE LIKE FIVE YEAR REPAVING SCHEDULE AND IT'S NOT. UM, SO I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO CONSIDER THAT VERY SMALL PIECE BEING ADDED TO, UM, AN UPCOMING YEAR TO, TO REALLY MAKE THE WHOLE PROJECT LOOK A LOT BETTER AND POTENTIALLY MAKE IT SAFER, FORM BETTER. MM-HMM. MY HOUSE. . YES. WELL, YEAH, ALL GOODROW OF COURSE YOU'LL BE ADDRESSING . ANYONE ELSE COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT? SURE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. LYNN, GO AHEAD. YEAH, I THINK THE PROJECT IS GREAT. IT'S VERY EXCITING TO SEE AUSE DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, AND I AM HOPING TO SEE MORE OF IT COMING INTO THE FUTURE IN SEDONA. SO I REALLY APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS. UM, QUICK QUESTION ON THE PLANTS. YOU MENTIONED IRRIGATION AND JUST ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO KEEP THOSE, UH, LOW WATER PLANTS. AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED USING NATIVE PLANTS AROUND HERE, BUT I THINK THERE'S QUITE A BIT YOU CAN DO TO KEEP THAT WATER USAGE DOWN. UH, OTHERWISE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED PREVIOUSLY AND, UH, GREAT PROJECT. THANK YOU, LYNN. YEAH, ALL SET. I'LL SECOND THAT. UM, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE SOME MIXED EXCUSE COMING TO 89 A MM-HMM. , ESPECIALLY IN WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER THE MOST WALKABLE, THE MOST POTENTIALLY WALKABLE PART OF TOWN. UM, TENANTS THERE WON'T NEED A CAR POTENTIALLY WITH, THERE'S A TRANSIT STOP RIGHT THERE. UM, SO I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I'M GRATEFUL THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PUT TOGETHER A REALLY GOOD PACKET THAT I FEEL LIKE WE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED. AND, UM, YEAH, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU DAN, AND TEAM FOR A GOOD PRESENTATION. THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. CARRIE, UH, CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IN THIS PROJECT? WELL, YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. UM, AND IF YOU KNOW HOW TO APPROVE IT, NOTHING HAPPENS. OKAY. UM, SO IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT, THEY WOULD, UM, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMITS, UM, AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REQUIRE SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, WE'D WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THEM, KIND OF AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE WORKING THROUGH BUILDING PERMITS AND, UM, GET THOSE, UM, POTEN, THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL, UM, AS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UM, BUT THEY HAVE ABOUT TWO YEARS TO GET, UM, THE APPROVALS GOOD FOR TWO YEARS. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND THEN JUST KEEP AN ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE. SO WE WON'T SEE THIS AGAIN? NO. UM, NOT UNLESS THEY MAKE A CHANGE THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY ENOUGH THAT WE FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD COME BACK TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OR IF THEY DO NOT COME GET BUILDING PERMITS IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND THEY NEED A TIME EXTENSION. CARRIE, WE, UM, WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS MM-HMM. , WHEREAS THE COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE THAT. OR HOW, HOW WOULD, SINCE THIS DOESN'T NATURALLY GO TO COUNCIL, HOW DOES THAT OCCUR? YEAH, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, ALL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL BY RESOLUTION AND SO OKAY. SO IT DOES, YOU'LL HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL. OH, ALL RIGHT. THE PROJECT AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW REVIEW DOESN'T, BUT ANY PORTIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL. INTERESTING. WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PORTION. [03:05:01] YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. AND, UM, CAN YOU SHARE WHAT LANGUAGE WILL BE IN THAT REGARDING, UH, PROHIBITION OF, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS? SO WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED ANY LANGUAGE FOR THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, IT WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THE LONG TERM RENTAL AND, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. WE'RE TAKING ONE ACTUALLY FOR NAVAJO LOFTS IN A COUPLE WEEKS. FINALLY, THEY HAD THE SAME TYPE OF REQUIREMENT AND, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM 90 DAY LEASE, UM, IS PRETTY STANDARD THAT WE'VE SEEN FOR OTHER PROJECTS. SO WHAT'S THE TIMING OF THAT? I MEAN, DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS BEEN APPROVED, DOES THAT COME NEXT? IT, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS TO BE APPROVED BEFORE THEY CAN C O BUILDING PERMITS ARE ISSUED, IS THE WAY THAT IT'S OKAY. TERMED. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. WELL, SOMEONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? SURE. UM, LET ME FIND IT. THAT'S ON PAGE PAGE 10. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL SHEET OFF OF NINE. OKAY, GOT IT. THANK YOU. UH, I MOVED FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PC 21 0 0 1 0, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOR EL MISA BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LCB SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4 IN SATISFACTION. THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING CONDITION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVEMENT OF APPROVAL. SECOND, PLEASE. I SECOND IT. THAT'S FROM SARAH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THERE ARE NONE. THE MOTION PASS. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPLICANTS. JUST I WANNA KNOW HOW THE BABY VOTED . ALL RIGHT. [7. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS] WE'LL GO DOWN TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. SO WE WILL NOT HAVE A MEETING ON THE 20TH. UM, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR JULY, THE FIRST MEETING OF JULY. UM, THE TU FIRST TUESDAY OF JULY IS JULY 4TH, WHICH IS A HOLIDAY. SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO HAVE A MEETING, IT WOULD BE THE FOLLOWING DAY. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE IN TOWN OR NOT. HMM. UM, YOU KIND OF GIVING ME, LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST DAY. SO, UM, WE MIGHT, I DON'T, WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THAT, UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT WOULD NEED TO COME TO YOU IN JULY, BUT, UM, IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW IF YOU'D EVEN BE AVAILABLE. UM, AGAIN, IT'S A WEDNESDAY AFTER A HOLIDAY, SO, SO COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE IF YOU DIDN'T REALIZE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. SO THE COMMISSION WILL TELL YOU IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE ON THE FIFTH. IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, LET ME KNOW. UM, OTHERWISE WE WILL LIKELY AT LEAST HAVE THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THE THIRD A POSSIBILITY OR? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE FIFTH. UM, I THINK BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S, RULES AND REGULATIONS, IF A TUESDAY FALL, IF THE MEETING DATE FALLS ON A TUESDAY, IT GETS BUMPED TO THE FOLLOWING DAY. FOLLOWING DAY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. NOTHING ELSE ON ON THAT WE DONE? OKAY. YEAH. WELL, WE'LL ADJOURN AT EIGHT UP 8:00 PM THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.