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          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD 
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MORNING EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE. 
          UH, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER JUNE 15TH, 2023. 
          UH, PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          OKAY, AND NOW JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE ONCE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CLERK. 
          UH, CAN YOU READ, WHERE ARE YOU? ON, ON MY LEFT? CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR BLO. 
          PRESENT VICE MAYOR P PLAGUE. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNSELOR FOLTZ. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR FERMAN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNSELOR KINSELLA. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM THREE, SPECIAL BUSINESS WORK SESSION REGARDING A CITY OF SEDONA BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023. 
          2024. 
          THE COUNCIL MAY TAKE ACTION, UH, TO GIVE DIRECTION REGARDING AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES TO PROPOSED CITY BUDGET OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          WE'LL TAKE, UH, START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY HERE INTERESTED IN PROVIDING COMMENT? YOU HAVE NOBODY? UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT. 
          ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          UH, SHERRY, YOU'RE 
          [3.a. Public Comment: Public comment on all budget items will be taken at the outset of the meeting. Each person commenting will have a maximum of two minutes. The entire period for the public comment will not exceed thirty minutes. B. An introduction to and overview of the 2023/2024 Fiscal Year Budget process will be presented and discussed. C. Recommendations of the Citizen’s Budget Work Group. D. An overview of departmental budgets will be presented and reviewed with any departments requested by the City Council. E. An overview of the overall City budget and strategic budget issues for FY 2023/2024 will be presented and discussed. F. An overview of the Fund Summaries will be presented and discussed. G. An overview of the Capital Improvements Plan will be presented and discussed. H. Recap and review of overall budget, decision packages, capital improvement projects, and financial impacts will be presented and discussed. I. Items not completed on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, will be carried over to Thursday, June 15, 2023 beginning at 8:00 a.m]
GONNA START WITH, WE'LL, WE'LL BE DOING ITEM B, INTRODUCTION AND OVERVIEW OF THE 2023 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          GOOD MORNING, MAYOR COUNCIL. 
          SO TODAY IS THE START OF OUR TWO DAY, UM, BUDGET WORK SESSIONS, UM, ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2324 BUDGET. 
          THIS IS, UM, PART OF THE PROCESS, UM, WHERE WE GO OVER WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED, UM, BASED OFF OF, UM, REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE DEPARTMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE CITY MANAGER OF, UM, VARIOUS THINGS TO INCLUDE DECISION PACKAGES AND SUCH. 
          AND, UM, SO OUR AGENDA FOR THE NEXT TWO DAYS. 
          SO, UM, OUR NORMAL SCHEDULE FOR, UH, THE WORK SESSIONS IS EIGHT TO FIVE. 
          UM, I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE VERY, VERY FULL DAYS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE NECESSARILY GOING TO END AT FIVE. 
          DEPENDS UPON HOW DILIGENT WE ARE WITH OUR CONVERSATIONS. 
          AND, UM, AND I KNOW SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF WE COULD BE MINDFUL OF THAT, THAT'LL HELP KEEP US ON ON TRACK. 
          UM, SO, UH, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH INTRODUCTION AND OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS, UM, AND THEN WE WILL JUMP INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP. 
          WE'LL, UM, GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS AND, UM, SO, UM, WE KIND OF HAD A LITTLE BIT OF LOGIC IN THE ORDER THAT WE PUT THE, THE BUDGETS FOR THE DEPARTMENTS WHERE THOSE THAT HAVE C I P WHERE THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER, UM, SO THAT, THAT WAY PUBLIC WORKS, UM, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT COME IN AND OUT OF THE ROOM SO MUCH . 
          AND, UM, BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE END, THOSE ARE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE BASICALLY, UM, NOT REALLY, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING NEW. 
          UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST, UM, THE, THE SAME AS AS BEFORE. 
          UM, THEN AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH, UM, LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE WITH THE BUDGET, THE OVERALL, UM, SUMMARIES, UM, STRATEGIC ISSUES. 
          WE'LL LOOK AT WHERE WE STAND ON THE FUNDS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS ON THE FUNDS TO ME IS WHERE, UH, WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE LOOKS LIKE. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY WANNA KNOW LIKE WHAT'S IN THE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES, WHAT ARE WE DOING? BUT THE BOTTOM LINE CAN WE REALLY AFFORD TO DO ALL OF THAT STUFF IS REALLY CRITICAL. 
          UM, WE WILL GO THROUGH A SUMMARY OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. 
          IT'S A 10 YEAR PLAN. 
          UM, WE WILL TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS WHEN EACH DEPARTMENT, UM, IS PRESENTING, BUT THE OVERALL LOOK AT THE PLAN WE'LL TALK ABOUT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL DO OUR, UM, RECAP AND REVIEW WHERE WE GET THE INPUT FROM YOU, FROM YOU ALL OF, UM, WHICH DECISION PACKAGES ARE YOU SUPPORTING, UM, IS ANY VARIETY OF LIKE CHANGES AND THINGS THAT MAY COME UP DURING THE SESSION. 
          TO RECAP ALL OF THAT, WE TEND NOT TO ASK YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THE DECISION PACKAGES AS WE GO, BECAUSE WE LIKE FOR YOU TO HEAR ALL OF THEM BECAUSE YOU MAY END UP SAYING, OH YEAH, THAT SOUNDS 
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GREAT, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE YOU'RE LIKE, OH NO, WE HAVE TO DO THAT ONE AND SAY, YEAH, NO, WE DON'T WANNA SPEND ALL OF THAT MONEY. 
          SO WE, WE LIKE TO HAVE THE DECISIONS AT THE END. 
          UM, SO, UH, WE DEFINITELY EXPECT IT TO, TO GO ACROSS THE TWO DAYS. 
          SO, UM, THERE WILL BE CONTINUATION OF THOSE ITEMS, UM, TOMORROW. 
          UM, SO YOU ALL HAVE YOUR BOOKS, UM, HOPEFULLY, UM, YOU HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. 
          I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN QUESTIONS FROM SOME PEOPLE. 
          I KNOW IN TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE I THINK HAVE LIKE READ COVER TO COVER. 
          UM, SO A LOT OF, OF, UM, DETAIL WENT INTO IT, I'M SURE. 
          UM, SO JUST, UM, ALSO FOR THE AUDIENCE, THERE IS THE ELECTRONIC VERSION THAT'S BEEN POSTED OUT ON THE, THE WEBSITE. 
          UM, THERE'S THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AND THEN WE ACTUALLY LIKE GO THROUGH A DISCUSSION OF THE BUDGET BOOK LAYOUT OF LIKE, OKAY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN OF WHAT'S IN THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS? UM, AND THEN THE SECOND TAB IS THE, UM, BUDGET MEMO WHERE, UM, WE DISCUSS ALL THE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS IN THE BUDGET. 
          SO IT'S LIKE THAT PLACE THAT GO TO, TO LOOK AT, UM, WHERE WE STAND ON THINGS. 
          AND THEN THE REST OF THE BOOK IS MORE TO DIG IN FOR MORE DETAIL. 
          UM, TAB THREE IS WHERE WE HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT. 
          SO WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE WORK GROUP AND WE HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WAS PUT OUT. 
          UH, TAB FOUR IS JUST SOME OVERALL SUMMARY SCHEDULES THAT WE HAVE. 
          TAB FIVE FUNDS, TAB SIX, UM, THE SUMMARY OF THE CIP PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN THE REMAINING TABS ARE IN THE ORDER THAT WE EXPECT THE DEPARTMENTS, UM, TO COME PRESENT SO THAT THAT WAY YOU COULD JUST KEEP WORKING YOUR WAY THROUGH THE BOOK, UM, AS EACH DEPARTMENT COMES UP. 
          SO THE GOALS FOR OUR WORK SESSION, UM, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSED, UM, BUDGET. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED. 
          UM, THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT SAYS THAT THERE CAN BE NO EXPENDITURE MADE FOR A PURPOSE NOT AUTHORIZED IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET. 
          UM, WE WILL GET TO, SO THIS IS A LOT OF DETAIL INFORMATION FOR YOU. 
          WE WILL GET TO, UM, IN THE TENTATIVE SESSION AND THE FINAL BUDGET ADOPTION. 
          REALLY WHAT YOU ADOPT IS THE FORMS THAT THE AUDITOR GENERAL'S OFFICE PUTS OUT THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, COMPLETE. 
          AND IT'S VERY HIGH LEVEL. 
          IT WOULD BE POLICE DEPARTMENT, X AMOUNT, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT X AMOUNT. 
          SO, UM, IF WE ALL OF A SUDDEN SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UM, AT THAT HIGH LEVEL, THEN WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE CONTINGENCY WITH A POLICY THAT TALKS ABOUT WHEN CONTINGENCIES BUDGETS CAN BE USED. 
          SO, UM, SO THAT COVERS US IN A LOT OF AREAS. 
          THE OTHER THING TOO THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TODAY IS REALLY TRYING TO GET TO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO ADOPT WHEN WE COME BACK FOR TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION? BECAUSE THE TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION SETS OUR CAP AND THAT CAP CANNOT BE EXCEEDED, UM, FOR OUR FINAL BUDGET. 
          SO WE CAN EITHER ADOPT, UM, AT THAT CAP FOR FINAL OR A LOWER NUMBER. 
          WE CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND IF WE END UP DECIDING THINGS NEED TO BE MOVED AROUND. 
          UM, AND I, I DO HAVE THE NOTE THERE. 
          SO WE, UM, THE VOTERS APPROVED HOME RULE, UM, LAST AUGUST, AND THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET. 
          SO FISCAL YEAR 24 IS THE START OF THE, UM, BUDGET YEARS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED BY THAT LAST AUGUST ELECTION. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR FINANCIAL POSITION, WHAT OUR CAPACITY IS TO, UH, BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THESE. 
          UH, HERE'S THE CALENDAR. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, BEEN DOING, UM, A LOT, UM, TO GET TO THIS POINT. 
          WE, UH, STARTED OUR KICKOFF MEETINGS WITH DEPARTMENTS BACK IN JANUARY. 
          THE COUNCIL RETREAT WAS IN JANUARY. 
          AND WE'VE HAD ALL THESE VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH. 
          UM, AND THE STEPS TO GET TO THIS POINT TO WHERE NOW WE'RE DOWN HERE FOR THE WORK SESSIONS, UM, TODAY AND TOMORROW. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE SCHEDULED THE TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION ON JULY 11TH, AND THEN THE FINAL, UH, BUDGET ADOPTION ON AUGUST 8TH. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO THANK PEOPLE HAVE HELPED US THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE GO OVER OUR ASSUMPTIONS WITH, UM, A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT CAN BE HELPFUL IN HELPING US ASSESS OUR, UH, WHETHER OR NOT OUR REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS ARE, ARE, UM, GOOD. 
          SO, UH, THIS YEAR REALLY WAS ONLY A COUPLE PEOPLE. 
          WE LOST OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, WHO NORMALLY WOULD'VE BEEN PART OF THIS PROCESS JUST BEFORE, UM, WE HAD THE MEETING. 
          UH, BUT MICHELLE CONWAY FROM THE CHAMBER AND CARRIE MEYER, UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, SHE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S COMING, UH, IN AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ABOUT, THAT THEY'RE THINKING THAT THEY'RE GONNA 
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PUT PERMITS IN FOR AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO, SO REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR INPUT. 
          UH, WE HAD A LOT OF PARTICIPATION IN OUR BUDGET SURVEY THIS YEAR AND I REALLY WANT TO THANK KEEGAN, UM, FOR, UM, GETTING THAT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S YET, SHE'S IN HERE TODAY. 
          UM, CUZ WE HAD SEEN, UH, A DECLINE IN THE PARTICIPATION IN OUR BUDGET SURVEY SINCE WE HAD STARTED DOING IT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          AND I SAID, I'D REALLY LIKE TO KIND OF GET THAT BACK UP TO WHERE WE WERE AT. 
          AND, UM, SHE DID A WONDERFUL JOB OF HELP KEEPING THAT OUT THERE. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAD, I THINK, THE HIGHEST PARTICIPATION, UM, THIS YEAR, UM, SINCE WE'VE STARTED DOING THE BUDGET SURVEY. 
          SO THAT WAS REALLY AWESOME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT THE COMMUNITY PUT INTO THIS, UM, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE US THEIR THOUGHTS. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAD A VERY WONDERFUL, UM, CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP THIS YEAR. 
          AND, UM, SO REALLY WANNA THANK THEM. 
          THEY PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY GREAT TO WORK WITH. 
          UM, THEY WERE SO RECEPTIVE TO HEAR THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD TO PROVIDE TO THEN, UM, BE ABLE TO ASSESS AND COME UP WITH THEIR, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE NOT UNANIMOUS WITHIN THE GROUP. 
          THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAME TO A CONSENSUS ON THINGS. 
          UM, SO IT WAS DIFFERING OPINIONS, DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, UM, OF PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE GROUP. 
          AND, UM, THEY ALL WORKED TOGETHER. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, IT WAS A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE AND I REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH THEM. 
          SHERRY, CAN YOU JUST PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND? THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. 
          SHERRY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE, UH, YOU INTRODUCE EACH PERSON THAT'S HERE JUST SO WE CAN RECOGNIZE WHO THEY ARE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE TRACY RANDALL, SO SHE'S GOING TO BE THE SPOKESPERSON, UM, FOR THE GROUP, UH, ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND SO WE HAVE GUY, UM, LAM LAUNION AND, UM, SORRY, I, I DON'T ALWAYS REMEMBER PEOPLE'S LAST NAMES. 
          JAMES CASHEN, UH, POLICE OF RAINBOW LADY, AND, UM, CHRISTIAN EATON. 
          AND IS THAT, YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU'VE DONE. 
          WE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT, ESPECIALLY THE FACT OF, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES, DIFFERENT OPINIONS, ALL WORKING TOGETHER. 
          IT, IT WORKS OUT WELL. 
          I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SOME OF THE MEMBERS WERE NOT ABLE, UM, WITH OTHER COMMITMENTS TO, TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT, UM, WHY IS MINE, THEY, THEY TRUSTED THE, THE GROUP TO HELP REPRESENT THEM. 
          SO, UM, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT INTO, UM, THE WORK GROUP'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO, UM, TRACY, IF YOU WANT TO, OKAY, SURE. 
          OOPS, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I, I WANNA START OFF BY SAYING WHAT A GREAT EXPERIENCE IT WAS. 
          UM, I THINK OVERALL THE WHOLE GROUP WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THE CITY STAFF. 
          UM, WE OBVIOUSLY SPENT THE MOST TIME WITH SHERRY, BUT IT WAS, SHE'S LIKE A WALKING ENCYCLOPEDIA YEP. 
          OF THE NUMBERS, THE HISTORY. 
          AND SO I THINK ALL OF US FELT VERY AT EASE WITH, UM, HOW THE, HOW OUR GOVERNMENT IS OPERATING, HOW THINGS ARE GETTING DONE. 
          UM, ANYWAY, I'M GOING TO COVER THIS AT A HIGH LEVEL, BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, I THINK SHERRY SPOKE, RIGHT? WE ALL, I THINK EVERYONE WENT IN A LITTLE APPREHENSIVE CUZ I, I'M PRETTY FOR SURE ALL OF US. 
          IT WAS OUR FIRST TIME PARTICIPATING IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND UM, TOTALLY WORKED TOGETHER GREAT AS A GROUP. 
          UM, AND SO WHILE I'M GONNA GO OVER THIS AT A HIGH LEVEL, EVERYONE'S GONNA COME UP AND KIND OF ADD, UM, I WAS THE FIRST PERSON WHO KNEW I WAS AVAILABLE, SO I RAISED MY HAND AND SAID I WOULD COME. 
          AND OTHER FOLKS I THINK DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO COME TODAY. 
          UM, SEVERAL OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS, UM, ARE GONE FOR THE SUMMER OR ELSE I KNOW THEY WOULD'VE BEEN HERE. 
          WE GOT, UM, WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT THIS MORNING FROM THEM. 
          SO EVERYONE WAS VERY ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO I'M GONNA START OFF AT A HIGH LEVEL AND I'M GONNA SKIP A FEW AND LET OTHERS COME UP AND ADDRESS THEM CUZ I THINK THEY'LL DO A BETTER JOB COVERING IT THAN ME. 
          BUT I'M GONNA COVER THE STUFF THAT, UM, AT A HIGH LEVEL WE CAME TO. 
          UM, SO YOU SAW AT THE TOP WERE THE TOP TWO MESSAGES, YOU KNOW, I THINK OVERALL THE GROUP JUST THOUGHT THERE IS TOO MUCH THIS CITY IS TRYING TO DO. 
          I THINK PETE LAST NIGHT COMMENTED AND I THINK WE ALL FELT THAT WAY. 
          WE'RE IN A VERY LUXURIOUS SITUATION AS A CITY AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT COMES IN DUE TO THE TOURISM PUTS US IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN REALLY DECIDE THE 
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DIRECTION WE WANT OUR CITY TO GO IN. 
          BUT I THINK OUR ASSESSMENT WAS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO DO SO MUCH, WE DON'T REALLY SET A SOLID DIRECTION. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE PICKED ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          ONE IS THIS PAGE, AND I THINK MOST OF US WOULD'VE EXPECTED, YOU KNOW, 3, 4, 5 TOP PRIORITIES. 
          AND THIS WAS 18 THAT WERE PRESENTED THAT WERE THE COUNCILS. 
          AND THEN WE WENT OVER IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS THAT THE TOWN IS TRYING TO DO, THE, THE STAFF THERE. 
          AND THESE WERE THE TOP, BUT IT WAS PAGE AFTER PAGE AND I KIND OF JUST COUNTED THEM SO I COULD REMEMBER. 
          SO THERE'S 30 THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON AND THERE'S 78 ON THE LIST. 
          AND I THINK FROM ALL OF OUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT JUST DOESN'T PROVIDE A LOT OF FOCUS ON TOP OF THAT. 
          UM, LOTS OF CITY STAFF POSITIONS ARE MISSING. 
          AND SO WE WALKED THROUGH, UM, WHAT WAS GOING ON AS FAR AS TURNOVER AND THINGS THAT HAD BEEN DONE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE WAS POINTING FINGERS, IT'S JUST THE REALITY WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE JOB OPENINGS THAN THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE WANTING TO FILL THEM. 
          AND IT SEEMED LIKE THE STAFF WAS DOING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS. 
          UM, I THINK WE HAD A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THEM TO CONSIDER AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WOULD A PERSON FOCUSED ON RECRUITING HELP YOU, UM, AND VARIOUS THINGS THAT I'LL GO THROUGH IN MORE DETAIL. 
          BUT IT SEEMED TO US A UNREALISTIC, UM, THAT THIS MANY THINGS COULD GET DONE BY A SHORT STAFF TEAM. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE FIRST ONE IS JUST THERE'S TOO MANY PRIORITIES. 
          UM, STAFFING IS THE SECOND. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY WALKED THROUGH A LOT OF STUFF THEY'D DONE. 
          AGAIN, THE ONLY THING I THINK WE KIND OF CAME FORWARD WITH WAS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A SOME TYPE OF FULL-TIME RECRUITING? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MOST OF THAT FALLS UPON A STAFF THAT'S ALREADY OVERWORKED. 
          AND SO IF YOU GOTTA FILL STAFF, MOST OF OUR EXPERIENCE WAS YOU TRY TO WORK WITH EITHER A FULL-TIME PERSON IN-HOUSE OR AN EXTERNAL SOURCE TO HELP YOU RECRUIT RECRUITING, IF ANYONE'S HAD TO DO IT BEFORE, IS HUGE LABORIOUS TASK AND EATS INTO THE TIME THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ALL THESE PROJECTS. 
          NUMBER THREE IS TRASH AND RECYCLING, WHICH WE SPENT A TON OF TIME LAST NIGHT ABOUT. 
          I'M GONNA DEFER TO MY GROUP IF THEY WANNA ADD MORE. 
          I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO ADD MORE THAN WE DISCUSSED LAST NIGHT. 
          NUMBER FOUR REALLY TO ME IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE CITY TRYING TO DO TOO MUCH. 
          UM, SHERRY SHARED WITH US AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET, HOW MUCH EACH YEAR HAD BEEN BUDGETED TO BE SPENT AND THE ACTUAL AMOUNT THAT WAS SPENT. 
          WHILE THAT'S GOOD FOR ME. 
          OH GOOD. 
          WE DIDN'T OVERSPEND. 
          I PERSONALLY THINK THAT'S VERY POOR FOR A LOT OF REASONS. 
          ONE, FOR A STAFF IT'S VERY DEMOTIVATING. 
          AND SO TO HAVE TO GO IN AND SAY, OH, I WANNA GET THESE PROJECTS DONE. 
          I MEAN, ANYONE WHO KNOWS THAT'S GOAL-ORIENTED WANTS TO GET STUFF DONE, NOTHING IS MORE EXCITING THAN OVER-DELIVERING, RIGHT? IT JUST, IT CREATES A SENSE OF REAL POSITIVE FEELINGS ABOUT YOUR JOB. 
          I THINK IT CREATES MORE POSITIVE FEELINGS ABOUT THE CITY, UM, TO OUTLINE ALL THESE PRIORITIES AND THEN NOT BE ABLE TO GET 'EM DONE HAS SOME OTHER, TO ME, LOGISTICAL PROBLEMS WITH THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, STAFF CHURNS OVER NEW PEOPLE MOVE INTO TOWN. 
          AND SO THINGS THAT WERE A PRIORITY NO LONGER BECOME A PRIORITY. 
          SO THAT IN MY MIND, THE FASTER YOU CAN GET STUFF DONE, THE MORE YOU'RE GONNA GET DONE AND YOU GET STUFF DONE FASTER IF YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO DO SO MANY THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, DID I HAVE ANYTHING MORE ON THAT? AND I THINK IT BUILDS BETTER RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WHEN THE CITIZENRY, IF YOU SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON AND YOU GET 'EM COMPLETED, YOU CAN ALL FEEL GREAT ABOUT THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. 
          LET'S SEE, DO I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I'M GONNA SKIP OVER THE TRAILS FOR A SECOND AND GO TO NUMBER SIX. 
          SO WITH THIS IN MIND, I THINK THE, THE WORK GROUP WAS LOOKING AT STUFF AND SAYING, OKAY, WHERE WE WEREN'T REALLY LOOKING TO ADD. 
          IT'S LIKE, WHERE CAN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS MAYBE TO SPEND LESS TIME? AND THE MUNICIPAL COURT WAS JUST ONE THAT JUMPED OUT TO US AS TAKING UP RESOURCES, NEEDING PEOPLE'S TIME, AND IS THERE A WAY TO COUNT, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH OTHER ENTITIES. 
          SO 
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THAT WAS JUST A RECOMMENDATION WE HAD AS MAYBE AS A WAY, ONE LESS THING THAT THE TOWN AND THE STAFF HAVE TO FOCUS ON. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE, UM, I THINK IN THE END THE GROUP UNDERSTOOD THE PICKLEBALL. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT WAS KIND OF HARD FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULD END UP ON THIS. 
          UM, AND SO IT KIND OF WAS THE CATALYST ALWAYS OF TOO MANY PROJECTS. 
          THE FACT THAT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR A COUNCIL AND THE PICKLEBALL WOULD BE ON THERE JUST DIDN'T PSYCH IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO US AS A GROUP THAT WAS SAYING, LET'S FOCUS, UM, OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE PICKED UP AS FAR AS LIKE, WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PROJECTS? WHAT'S, WHY AREN'T, WHY ISN'T STUFF GETTING DONE? BECAUSE I THINK OVERALL EVERYONE WAS INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED BY THE STAFF. 
          IT'S LIKE, UH, THESE PEOPLE ARE REALLY CAPABLE. 
          THEY'RE WORK HARD, THEY CARE. 
          AND OFTEN THERE WAS, UM, A CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER GROUP. 
          SO WHETHER IT WAS ADOT OR A PROBLEM WITH ANOTHER COUNTY OR ANOTHER CITY, AND AGAIN, THE ASSESSMENT WAS ALL THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, ALL THAT STUFF TAKES TIME TO DEVELOP. 
          THE MORE PROJECTS YOU PUT ON PEOPLE'S PLATE, THE LESS TIME THEY HAVE TO SPEND WITH ADOT, THE LESS TIME THEY HAVE TO SPEND WITH THE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS TO BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, TO TRY TO STREAMLINE STUFF THAT MAYBE STOPPING OUR PROGRESS. 
          SO MORE FOCUS ON JUST ALL THE GROUP, GIVING THEM TIME TO BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. 
          I WOULD ALSO THINK THIS GROUP WOULD BE VERY CRITICAL IN HELPING TO PUSH THOSE RELATIONSHIPS FORWARD. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S THE LAST ONE OTHER THAN ONE IS MY, I'M SURE EVERY CITIZEN COMES FORWARD THEIR PET PEEVE, WHICH IS WHY THE LIST GETS LONG. 
          BUT , I, I WILL PUT ONE AND THERE WAS A FEW OF US IN THERE. 
          UM, I'M A MOUNTAIN BIKER. 
          A BIG REASON I MOVED HERE IS CUZ I LOVED THE TRAILS. 
          I LOVED THE BEAUTY. 
          THERE WERE SEVERAL HIKERS IN OUR GROUP AND SEVERAL OUTDOOR ENTHUSIASTS. 
          THEY HAD MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF THE LOVE FOR THE TRAILS, THE LOVE FOR THE BEAUTY HERE. 
          AND IT WAS, UM, EYE-OPENING TO ME THAT THE CITY HAD PUTS VERY LITTLE INTO THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MOST, I PARTICIPATE IN THE VERDE VALLEY CYCLIST COALITION. 
          WE DO A LOT OF TRAIL WORK, OBVIOUSLY THE FOREST SERVICE WE COLLABORATE CLOSELY WITH, I'M FRIENDLY WITH SEVERAL FOLKS AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOMEONE IN OUR GROUP THAT WAS PART OF THE RED ROCK TRAIL FUND. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT. 
          WE HAVE NONPROFITS IN THIS CITY THAT REALLY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY INTO MAKING SURE OUR TRAILS GROW. 
          THEY'RE CLEAN. 
          BUT THAT WHERE, THAT'S WHERE IT, ANYONE WHO GOES OUT THE TRAIL A LOT CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF DEGRADATION WITH SO MANY FOLKS HERE. 
          AND SO TO ME THAT WOULD BE, IF I WAS GONNA INVEST IN ANOTHER AREA, IS JUST THE CITY BEING A LARGER PARTICIPANT IN HELPING TO MAKE SURE THE TRAILS ARE CLEAN, THEY'RE MAINTAINED. 
          THE A BIG REASON WE HAVE THE TOURISM DOLLARS WE DO TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS IS BECAUSE OF THE TRAILS AND THE BEAUTY. 
          AND I THINK IN MY MIND, FOR THE CITY TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT THINKING, HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THAT? SO I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER AND I DID NOT COVER ALL OF THESE. 
          SO WHO WANTS TO ADD TO WHAT I JUST SAID, ? I DIDN'T COVER NUMBER, THE TRASH. 
          NUMBER THREE. 
          UM, I DIDN'T GO DOWN THE PATH SUPER FAR WITH PICKLEBALL OR THE SWIMMING POOL. 
          HI, I'LL DO TRASH . 
          SO I TALKED LAST NIGHT AND THEN I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR WE TRIED THAT ONCE. 
          I, NOW IF THOMAS EDISON, WHO DID 1000 ATTEMPTS TO CREATE A LIGHT BULB HAD SAID, WE TRIED THAT ONCE. 
          UM, IT'D BE DARK IN HERE. 
          SO, UH, UH, AGAIN, I I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT IN THE BIG PICTURE, UH, THAT, UH, THIS BE A RECONSIDERATION. 
          UM, OUR DISCUSSION CAME FROM THE, UH, UH, THE RECYCLING CENTER. 
          WE SAID, THIS JUST DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. 
          LET'S SEE, WE'RE PAYING THESE GUYS TO GET RID OF THIS TRASH AND THESE GUYS ARE COMING AND THIS GROUP DOES RECYCLING 
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WHEN THEY PICK UP. 
          BUT THE BIG PICTURE IS, AND IN THE ERA OF CLIMATE CHANGE, THREE HUGE, UH, DIESEL TRUCKS ARE GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROADS, UH, ALL THE TIME. 
          I'M, I'M HOPING MAYBE THAT, UM, PEOPLE WILL BE MORE, UM, UH, OPEN TO SOMETHING LIKE, UH, LIKE THIS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM. 
          UH, SO, AND LIKE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE, THE DOORS WERE LOCKED UP THERE, UH, ON THE RECYCLING CENTER? WOULD PEOPLE JUST COME AND KEEP BRINGING TRASH THERE? WOULD THEY FIND AN ALTERNATIVE? SO A ANYWAY, THAT, THAT WAS ONE. 
          AND, UH, I, I MUST SAY THAT THIS WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE. 
          I CALL THIS GROUP MY BUDGET BUDDIES, UH, AND, UM, SHERRY AND KEEGAN NOT HERE, WERE TREMENDOUS. 
          AND IT WAS A GREAT PROCESS. 
          AND, AND OH,  AND KEGAN'S ALWAYS THERE. 
          I ENJOYED IT VERY MUCH. 
          THANKS, KURT. 
          DO YOU WANT US SAY IT'S APPROPRIATE TO RESPOND OR GOING TO ABSORB? YEAH, THIS IS PUBLIC SESSION. 
          NO, I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANNA BE SURE. 
          I THINK WE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS THE WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC SESSION. 
          OKAY. 
          IS PUBLIC THAT WASN'T PUBLIC. 
          THAT WASN'T, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS PART OF THE, THE AGENDAS DISCUSSION OF THE PRESENTATION GROUPS RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN, SO JUST, I'D LIKE TO, I, I THINK IF WE COULD JUST TOUCH ON SOME OF THESE ONE BY ONE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, AND I THINK I TOUCHED ON IT LAST NIGHT. 
          THERE IS A PROCESS IN WHICH TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THIS. 
          AND IT'S OUR JANUARY RETREAT. 
          AND, UH, IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, UH, SUCH AS THAT, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO IT. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES BACK THEN. 
          UH, I, I DON'T WANNA GO INTO HERE CAUSE I WANNA KEEP IT BRIEF, BUT THAT'S THE PROPER PRO PROCESS. 
          WE CAN'T MOVE THAT FORWARD HERE TODAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          OKAY, SO NEXT UP. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR COUNSEL, UM, JAMES CASHEN WITH THE, UH, BUDGET WORK GROUP. 
          AND, UH, LET ME START BY THANKING SHERRY FOR OPENING HER BOOKS AND, UM, ALLOWING 10 CITIZENS TO DIG INTO HER, UH, DAILY WORK. 
          SHE NEVER SHOWED FRUSTRATION OR, UM, ANY CONCERNS OF US ASKING OUR QUESTIONS AND HAVING ROBUST CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET. 
          SO ALSO THANK YOU TO KEEGAN AND THE CITY MANAGER FOR THEIR ATTENDANCE AND, UH, BEING OPEN AND WELCOME TO OUR QUESTIONS AND, AND COMMENTS. 
          A LOT OF WHAT, UH, GUY KIND OF JUST TALKED ON WAS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AS A BUDGET WORK GROUP ON HOW DOES THE BUDGET ALIGN WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF OUR ROBUST CONVERSATION CAME ABOUT. 
          THE RECYCLING CENTER, AS WELL AS HOW DOES THE RECYCLING CENTER ALIGN WITH THE TRASH PICKUP AND THE MULTI, UH, COMPANIES THAT ARE HERE DOING TRASH AND RECYCLING. 
          BOTH. 
          SO THERE'S SO MANY ENTITIES DOING SIMILAR, UH, TYPE WORK. 
          UH, AND HOW DO WE WHITTLE THAT DOWN TO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE, UH, ENTITY THAT TAKES CARE OF MORE THAN JUST 10% OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS FOR THE RECYCLING CENTER. 
          UM, SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WENT TO MR. COP AT THE RECYCLING CENTER WHEN HE PRESENTED TO US, UH, WAS, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP LAST NIGHT AND, AND PICKED UP, UH, AND THE QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU GROW, HOW DO YOU EXPAND NOT TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT, BUT JUST TO, UM, BE MORE, UH, OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST RESIDENTS, BUT PERHAPS BUSINESSES. 
          AND HE WAS, UH, PUT FORTH A QUESTION ON, YOU KNOW, ME AS A, A BUSINESS MANAGER HERE IN TOWN, I SPEND $1,100 A MONTH TO WASTE MANAGEMENT. 
          40% OF THAT GOES TO HAULING OFF MY RECYCLING. 
          AND I OFFERED HIM MY BUSINESS FOR, UH, THE RECYCLING SO WE COULD SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEND OUR FUNDS TO THE LOCAL, UH, SUPPORT THE LOCAL RECYCLING CENTER. 
          UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE WAS NO, NO REAL OPTION ON HIS END TO EXPAND HIS BUSINESS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE MY $5,000 PER YEAR OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY 10, NOW YOU HAVE 50,000 WHERE, YOU KNOW, HE IS ASKING THE, THE CITY FOR 250,000. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE WHEN 
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YOU ASKED FOR SOME TYPE OF A PLAN ON HIS END, UH, YOU WERE KIND OF RIGHT ON THE POINT TO WHERE, THAT'S WHY WE SAID IN OUR SUGGESTION, INSTEAD OF A THREE YEAR CONTRACT, MAYBE A ONE YEAR CONTRACT, CUZ WE DON'T REALLY SEE, UH, THAT YOU HAVE AN END GOAL ON, UM, INCREASING YOUR COLLECTION AMOUNT OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER LONG-TERM PLANS DO YOU HAVE TO, TO MAKE THIS MORE OF A SUSTAINABLE ITEM. 
          UM, AND TO, UH, TIE IN WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS, UM, UNCOVERED WAS SEDONA RECYCLES WASN'T PART OF DEVELOPING THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          UM, AND SO HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT, BUT HE DOES HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE ON HOW TO TAKE THIS TANGIBLE RECYCLING WASTE AND KEEP IT OUTTA THE LANDFILLS, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST TANGIBLE THING THAT A CITY CAN DO AS FAR AS CLIMATE ACTION, BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THE CARBON AND THE AIR OF THE CARBON THAT WE'RE GONNA SAVE BY BECOMING MORE SUSTAINABLE. 
          BUT WE CAN SEE THE, UH, ALUMINUM THAT DOESN'T GO INTO THE LANDFILLS OR THE OTHER WASTE THAT DOESN'T. 
          UM, ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS WAS, UH, IN REGARD TO WASTEWATER, SOME OF THE BUDGET PACKAGES THAT WERE PRESENTED, SUCH AS, UM, IT WAS ABOUT $80,000 FOR WATER REDUCTION ITEMS. UM, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SIDE EFFECTS TO THE WASTEWATER, UH, COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UH, YOU MAY ASK SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT. 
          THE REDUCTION OF WATER TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT ACTUALLY HURTS THEIR BUSINESS AS WELL AND MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO, UH, RUN THE WASTE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MY NAME'S CHRISTIAN AND THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE. 
          AND, UH, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          IT WAS REALLY AWESOME. 
          UM, A NUMBER OF US THOUGHT THAT WE WANTED ANY OF THE CITIZEN SERVICES, UM, LIKE RECREATION, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, FOR THERE TO BE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, AS FREE AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE, UH, A ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS WAS A VERY, VERY PART-TIME PICKLEBALL PLAYER. 
          AND, UM, SO HE IS NOT LIKE A GUNG-HO PICKLEBALL PLAYER, BUT HE WAS REALLY CHARGING FORWARD THEM SAYING, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE CITY SERVICES THAT ARE HERE FOR THE CITIZENS. 
          UM, AND I WANTED TO BE THAT VOICE HERE THAT SAYS, UM, THE, THESE THINGS SHOULD BE ON, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL'S PRIORITY, NOT NECESSARILY PRIORITY LIST PER SE, BUT SHOULD BE IN THAT AWARENESS AND CONTINUED, UM, AS WELL. 
          UH, AND ANOTHER IDEA AND OPTION WAS THE SWIMMING POOL. 
          UM, HOW IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A VERY SMALL CHARGE TO USE IT, BUT COULD BE FREE BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SUBSIDIZED SERVICE THAT THE CITY PROVIDES ANYWAYS. 
          AND IT'S NOT LIKE IT REALLY RELIES ON, UM, A CHARGE FOR SWIM HOUR IN ORDER TO OPERATE. 
          UM, WHAT TRACY SAID ABOUT THE TRAILS AND KEEPING SEDONA CLEAN, UM, YOU KNOW THAT SHE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE TRAILS, BUT ANOTHER REALLY BIG PORTION IS THE CREEK AND HOW TRASH IT GETS. 
          AND THAT'S A LOT OF IT IS, IS WITHIN CITY LIMITS, NOT EVEN OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS, BUT THERE'S NO CHARGE FROM THE CITY. 
          NO. 
          UM, REAL BUDGET ITEMS THAT ARE ALLOCATING RESOURCES AND FINANCES TO ANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN TOWN OR EVEN SPEARHEADING AN ORGANIZATION, UM, OR LIKE A SPINOFF OF, UH, YOU KNOW, CITY SERVICES IN ORDER TO KEEP THOSE PLACES CLEAN, AT LEAST THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF OUR MEETINGS AND HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS. 
          UM, AND ANOTHER IDEA COULD BE, YOU KNOW, HAVING SUSTAINABLE TOURISM SIGNAGE AT ALL OF THE TRAILHEADS THAT ARE AT LEAST WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA LIMITS, UM, AND HAVING TRASH BINS THERE. 
          AND ALSO DOG REFUSE BAGS AS WELL, JUST TO HELP KEEP OUR TRAILS, UM, REALLY CLEAN, KEEP AND AT LEAST BRING IT INTO THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE TOURISTS, UM, UH, MIND THAT THEY HAVE AN IMPACT AND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO BRING AWARENESS TO THAT. 
          STAFFING WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, CONCERN OF OURS. 
          I, WE DID SEE THE, THE STAFFING TURNOVER RATIOS, UM, FOR OTHER 
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VERDE VALLEY CITIES AND TOWNS, AND WE WERE DEFINITELY AT THE HIGH END OF THE LIST. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING, YOU KNOW, CITY OF SEDONA WITH THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AND FINANCIAL RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY EMULATE AND BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT REALLY STRIVES TO BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT NO ONE WOULD EVER REALLY WANT TO DEPART FROM. 
          UM, I, I RECOGNIZE LIKE ALL OF THE EFFORTS THAT HAD BEEN DONE, LIKE TONS AND TONS OF EFFORTS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS IN ORDER TO, UM, BE EQUITABLE ON SALARIES AND ALSO TO BE, UM, IN, IN ORDER TO CHARGE THAT. 
          AND SO THAT WAS A JOB THAT WAS WELL DONE. 
          UM, MAYBE IT'S NOT ENOUGH. 
          MAYBE IT IS, UH, MAY MAYBE YOU'LL SAY THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TURNOVER. 
          UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, AND DARE I SAY A FOUR DAY WORK WEEK, OH MY GOODNESS, . 
          UM, YOU WOULD LIKE THAT? PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE. 
          MAYBE THAT'S, WE ALREADY HAVE A FOUR DAY WORK, FOUR DAY, WHAT ABOUT A THREE DAY WORK WEEK, , HOW ABOUT NOT WORKING? UM, THE TAURUS, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING IN THE, UH, TOURISM MINISTRY, UH, I GET TO HEAR A LOT OF, OF THAT VOICE. 
          AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO ON, UM, LIKE ANY OF THE FACEBOOK GROUPS, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE BY RUN BY THE CHAMBER, ANY OF THEM. 
          YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF TOURISMS OR TOURISTS, UH, QUALMS WITH THEIR VISITS HERE. 
          OBVIOUSLY A LOT. 
          ONE BIG PART OF IT WOULD BE, UM, UH, TRAFFIC FOR SURE, BUT ANOTHER WOULD BE JUST HOW MUCH THEY ENDED UP SPENDING. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THERE, AND THERE'S A LINE ITEM THAT TOURISM TOURISTS ARE SPENDING ON, UH, ON THEIR VACATIONS FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA IN TERMS OF TAXES. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST REALLY INTRIGUING TO HAVE SUCH A HIGH, HIGH, HIGH AMOUNT OF REVENUE. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY NEEDED PER SE, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SAVED EVERY YEAR, UM, AND, AND PUT TO REALLY GREAT PROJECTS. 
          BUT IT IS A LINE ITEM THAT I NOTICE A LOT OF TOURISTS, UM, ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT. 
          AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HIGH OF TAXES IN TERMS OF BED TAX ARE ACTUALLY NEEDED IN ORDER TO FUND THE CITY ENTIRELY. 
          UM, WHICH BRINGS UP ANOTHER POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IS, UM, THE TOURIST SHUTTLE AND HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT HAS BEEN. 
          THAT'S REALLY, REALLY EXCITING. 
          UM, I THINK ONE OF THE INTERESTING PARTS THAT I HAD CAME ACROSS IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS IS THAT WHILE THERE'S NOT A, A PLAN TO CHARGE FOR IT RIGHT NOW, IN THE INTERIM IN THE FUTURE OR POSSIBLY NEAR FUTURE, THERE IS A PLAN TO CHARGE FOR THAT. 
          AND I WOULD REALLY WANT TO BE THE VOICE THAT SAYS, RECONSIDER THAT. 
          UM, THE TOWN OF BRECKENRIDGE, COLORADO HAS ALWAYS HAD A FREE SHUTTLE SERVICE THAT'S INCREDIBLY ROBUST. 
          IT'S SO AMAZING THAT IT'S HIGHLY UTILIZED. 
          THERE'S ONE LESS FRICTION POINT TO USE IT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IF YOU END UP CLOSING TRAILHEADS AND CHARGING A FEE TO RIDE A MANDATORY SHUTTLE IN ORDER TO ARRIVE, YOU MIGHT END UP MAKING A LOT OF PEOPLE UPSET, UM, ON THE RECYCLING. 
          OH, BY THE WAY, I DID GET IN CONTACT WITH DOUG, SO I'M EXCITED TO WORK WITH HIM. 
          I, WE USED TO BE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO ENVIRONMENTAL CENTER AND I WORKED IN THE RECYCLING DEPARTMENT THERE, SO, WHICH IS ONE OF THE FIRST RECYCLING PROGRAMS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. 
          SO IT'S HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL. 
          UM, I WAS GONNA POINT OUT ONE OF THE IRONIES OF KIND OF LIKE THE OVERVIEW PICTURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR RECYCLING IS THAT HERE, YOU KNOW, HERE IN CITY OF SEDONA, AND, AND THIS IS ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT WE END UP AS A CITY AND CITIZENS ARE ENDING UP SUBSIDIZING SITE RECYCLING, UM, THE PRODUCTS ARE THEN SOLD ON THE OPEN MARKET. 
          AND SO THESE, UH, THESE COMMODITIES END UP GETTING SOLD FOR A CHEAPER RATE THAN WHAT, UH, VIRGIN ALUMINUM OR VIRGIN WHATEVER WOULD END UP COSTING. 
          AND SO THESE CORPORATIONS, AND IF YOU SEE LIKE COCA-COLA HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN LIDS AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THESE ARE ALL FROM A HUNDRED PERCENT RECYCLED. 
          SO THEY'RE ENDING UP KIND OF WHAT YOU WOULD CALL GREEN WASHING. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRODUCT, 
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THEY'RE ENDING UP GETTING A SUBSIDIZED PRODUCT FROM THE CITIZENS. 
          SO THEY'RE GETTING A CHEAPER PRODUCT, WHICH IT'S CHEAPER BECAUSE THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS ARE PUTTING THAT MONEY TOWARDS THAT. 
          SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING ARE THE CORPORATIONS LIKE COCA-COLA OR ANY OF THE CLOTHING COMPANIES ARE LIKE, LOOK, THESE SHORTS ARE MADE OUT OF RECYCLED BOTTLES. 
          UM, IT'S CUZ THAT PRODUCT IS CHEAPER OR THAT COMMODITY IS CHEAPER IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT PRODUCT. 
          SO THAT THE IRONY IN THE WHOLE THING IS THAT THE CORPORATIONS ARE MAKING OFF WITH THE SUBSIDY. 
          SO IT'S JUST, THAT'S THAT. 
          UM, AND ANOTHER, THE POINT OF CONTENTION WAS PROFESSIONAL MONEY MANAGEMENT OF FUNDS. 
          UM, WE ALL SUPPORTED SHERRY ON GETTING A PROGRAM THAT DID THAT. 
          UM, I THINK IT WAS ALMOST UNANIMOUS, LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT WANTED THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THERE WAS A CAVEAT THAT NEAR UNANIMOUSLY, LIKE, UH, EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR TWO WANTED TO EITHER MAXIMIZE THE RETURNS WITH THAT MONEY MANAGEMENT OR WE WANTED IT TO NOT HAVE ANY E S G COMPONENT AS PART OF THAT. 
          IT JUST GETS WAY TOO MESSY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO INSTITUTE AN ESG INVESTING, YOU KNOW, NARRATIVE AS PART OF THE DIRECTIVE. 
          UM, SO SOMETHING LIKE SHORT TERM TREASURIES OR ONLY THAT, OR IF YOU'RE GONNA OPEN IT TO INVESTING, INVESTING WITH NO CAVEATS THAT, UM, HAVE AN ESG DIRECTIVE AS PART OF IT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE INTRIGUING THINGS IS THAT PHILIP MORRIS, UM, A LOT OF LIKE, UM, AMERICAN TOBACCO, BRITISH TOBACCO COMPANIES, THEY HAVE INCREDIBLY HIGH ESG SCORES. 
          LIKE BRITISH AMERICAN TOBACCO HAS THE THIRD HIGHEST OF ANY COMPANY ON THE LONDON STOCK EXCHANGE OF 94. 
          UM, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF INTRIGUING THAT, YOU KNOW, A TOBACCO COMPANY THAT KILLS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE EVERY YEAR HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST ESG SCORES ON, ON, ON ONE OF, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT ESG SCORING THINGS. 
          UM, THERE'S TWO OIL COMPANIES THAT HAVE HIGHER ESG SCORES THAN TESLA. 
          UM, AND THEN IT BRINGS UP THE POINT OF, WELL, IF THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHY IS IT HAPPENING? AND WHO, WHO IS ACTUALLY CREATING THESE SCORES? UM, SO BECAUSE IT'S HUMANS AND, AND VALUES AND IDEAS CREATING THESE SCORES, UM, IT'S GONNA BE MUDDIED. 
          AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS IS THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T WANT IT WAS NEAR UNANIMOUS, DIDN'T WANT TO SEE AN ESG COMPONENT AS PART OF THAT MONEY MANAGEMENT DIRECTIVE. 
          UM, AND THE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, UM, WAS THAT IN, UM, A JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING, THEY HAVE A REALLY, REALLY COOL PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANY IDEAS ON HOW TO MAKE, HOW TO GET CITY BUY-IN CITIZEN, BUY-IN ON A PARKING GARAGE, LOOK INTO IT, IT'S SUPER COOL. 
          THEY HAVE A, UM, GREENHOUSE PROJECT AND, UH, IT'S CALLED, I THINK IT'S CALLED VERTICAL HARVEST, BUT IT'S A NONPROFIT. 
          AND ONE OF THE WHOLE WALLS OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS ON CONVEYOR BELTS. 
          AND BRIAN CAN TELL YOU HOW COOL IT IS. 
          IT'S, IT'S PRETTY COOL . 
          IT'S ON CONVEYOR BELTS AND IT'S ALL HYDROPONICS. 
          SO THEY GROW A WHOLE WALL OF, UM, GREENERY, WELL IT'S EDIBLE GREENERY, SO VEGETABLES AND UH, LETTUCES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THEY HAVE, UM, A NONPROFIT THAT GROWS THAT THEY EMPLOY, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY FIND A JOB, UM, IN THAT SECTOR AND THEN THEY BRING IT TO THE FARMER'S MARKET AND THEN THEY SELL IT. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF A LOT OF IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS LIKE SUSTAINABILITY, UM, FOOD SOVEREIGNTY, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND, UM, ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION, IT NAILS A LOT OF 'EM. 
          IT ALSO GETS, YOUR PARKING GARAGE MAY BE COMPLETED AND BUY IN BY THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO FOOD FOR A THOUGHT THERE AND, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, AGAIN, APPRECIATE IT. 
          WHERE, WHERE WAS THAT JACKSON HOLE? WYOMING, BECAUSE I PARKED IN THAT GARAGE, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT. 
          IS THAT RECENT? NO, 
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IT'S, UH, SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO IT WAS BUILT AND IT'S ALL GLASS AND UM, YOU MESS UP. 
          YEAH, IT'S PRETTY IN THAT GARAGE. 
          I DID PROBABLY THERE BEFORE IT WAS BUILT. 
          YEAH, PROBABLY COVID YEARS ARE A BLUR. 
          , I HAVE, CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING PLEASE? EARLY ON YOU SAID THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY INVESTMENT IN CLEAN WATER. 
          UM, I BELIEVE KAREN, WE DO, DON'T WE? SO CAN YOU JUST REITERATE OR ITERATE WHAT THAT INVESTMENT IN CLEAN WATER IS? SO WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, A SERVICE CONTRACT WITH OAK CREEK WATERSHED COUNCIL, WHERE WE SUPPORT, UH, A LOT OF THEIR EFFORTS FOR CLEAN UP DOG WASTE STATIONS, PUBLIC EDUCATION AROUND, UM, THE, THE CREEK. 
          AND, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OH, THERE'S, IT'S ON THE SUMMARY METRICS MM-HMM. 
          , UH, IN THE BUDGET. 
          SO WE CAN SPEAK TO THOSE TWO. 
          UM, YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MUCH. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S BIG. 
          THAT'S, AND WE, WE SAW THAT YOU MAY, THAT IT MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO. 
          YEAH, WE DEFINITELY SAW THAT. 
          WE SAW THAT IN THERE. 
          IT WAS, IT'S NOT A TON. 
          UM, NO, IT ISN'T. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND MOST TRAILHEADS DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE OR ANY KIND OF, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING AWARENESS TO LIKE MAYBE INCREASING THAT FUND ITEM OR I HEARD YOU, YEAH. 
          REACHING OUT TO THEM AND FINDING OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN INCREASE THAT PARTNERSHIP. 
          I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO JUMP IN AND SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF HARD WORK INTO IT AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY APPRECIATED. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT FROM THE, UH, DAIS? PETE? THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          I TOO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION. 
          I THINK SOME OF US UP HERE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT GROUP BEFORE AND THE LAST PERSON IN THE GROUP. 
          YES. 
          THERE'S ONE MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS ONE MORE IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, BUT WE STILL WANNA SAY THANK YOU . 
          I DON'T WANNA MINIMIZE THAT. 
          SO, NO, I, I I WASN'T TRYING TO MINIMIZE ANYTHING. 
          MY NAME IS PAL, A RAINBOW LADY. 
          CAN YOU AND I DO MIC TO THE MIC? YEAH. 
          IT HAS TO BE ON THE RECORD. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS PALSA RAINBOW LADY AND I DO LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. 
          UM, AS PART OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR ALL THE POINTS THAT WERE ALREADY MADE, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT IF WE CREATED A CITIZEN'S WORK GROUP, I WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK ON IT OR EVEN LEAD, IF THAT'S NECESSARY. 
          UH, FOR LOOKING AT THE TRASH SITUATION IS A BIGGER PICTURE. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY THAT IT DOESN'T PUT A BURDEN ON THE CITY OR THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY STAFF, BUT STILL GETS THE JOB DONE. 
          THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT, PETE. 
          I WANTED TO MENTION IT WAS, YOU GOTTA BE AT THE MIC BEFORE YOU OKAY. 
           AND WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE EVERYTHING ALONG. 
          SO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT IT WAS LIKE PRETTY MUCH ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE GROUP FELT THAT WAY. 
          SO WE GOT THAT MIGHT BE WORTH I DID, I DID UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          THANK YOU PETE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          SO AGAIN, JUST THANKS FOR EVERYONE TO PUT IN THE TIME ON THE GROUP. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION HERE. 
          LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENT ARE TRACY, I DON'T SEE YOUR NAME ON THE LIST AND SO WE WELL, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT SHEET THAN WE DID. 
          I I NOTICED THAT IT WAS ON THE SCREEN, RIGHT? THEY HAVE MORE NAMES. 
          I, I GUESS IT KEPT TRACY HIDDEN FROM US, RIGHT? I WANT, I WANT EVERYONE TO GET THE CREDIT. 
          THEY DESERVE , RIGHT? YES, BUT WE HAVE A DIFFERENT AH, GOOD. 
          WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SLOT UPDATED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU LEFT ME OFF. 
          WELL, YOU'RE HOPING I WOULD. 
          SHE WAS HIDING THE BEST . 
          YES, OF COURSE. 
          I JUST AGAIN, WANT TO ECHO THANK YOUS TO THE GROUP. 
          UH, BUT IT'S SO NICE TO HEAR YOU WORKING REALLY AS A GROUP. 
          I MEAN, I'M HEARING A LOT OF COHESION, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, REPETITION IN YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU'RE MAKING. 
          IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH AND VETTED IT AS A GROUP AND CAME TO CONSENSUS AND THAT'S A VERY IMPRESSIVE PROCESS. 
          SO I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT IT TAKES TO DO THAT. 
          THESE ARE NOT SMALL ISSUES AND UM, IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL, VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE ALL OF THE INPUT. 
          I KNOW SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. 
          WE DO HEAR WHAT YOU SAY AND WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, THERE IS PROCESS THAT WILL TAKE IT BACK AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT ON, ON THE TRASH ISSUE AND EVERYTHING TO WORK THAT THROUGH. 
          BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT REALLY DOES MATTER WHAT YOU DO. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN SAYING. 
          SO THANK YOU TO THE RESIDENT, UH, WORKING GROUP, UH, ON THIS EFFORT. 
          I THINK IT'S ONE 
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OF THE BEST EXAMPLES OF TRANSPARENCY AND ENGAGEMENT AND UH, I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR EFFORT AND YOUR INPUT AND I HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS VALUED AND IT IS HEARD. 
          UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, WE WOULD TAKE YOU ALL UP ON, UH, WORKING ON THE, UH, EVALUATION OF TRASH HAULERS. 
          CUZ I I DEFINITELY AM IN THAT CAMP THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. 
          UM, THE POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ITEM NUMBER ONE OF SO MANY PRIORITIES, RIGHT? AND I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN EVERYTHING'S A PRIORITY, NOTHING'S A PRIORITY, RIGHT? I'M CONFOUNDED BY THE SITUATION, HONESTLY. 
          LIKE WHAT MAKES SOMETHING A PRIORITY ON THIS LIST VERSUS NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING ELSE THAT STAFF'S JUST WORKING ON. 
          LIKE, IT'S, IT'S VERY UNCLEAR TO ME AS A RELATIVE NEWBIE STILL ON COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, DOES PICKLEBALL NEED TO BE ON OUR TOP 18 OR 19 LIST? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, IF IT'S A C I P PROJECT AND IT'S GONNA GET DONE, I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S ON THAT LIST OR NOT, YOU KNOW? SO I I, TO ME THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF THINKING WE DO, UH, AS A COUNCIL GROUP OF HOW CAN WE BETTER ADDRESS THAT SENSE OF PRIORITIES AND WHETHER WE'RE OVERLOADING AND DEMORALIZING OUR STAFF. 
          I MEAN, ANDY, YOU, YOU SIT OVER THE LARGEST OPPORTUNITY FOR DEMORALIZATION, I THINK  RIGHT? WITH ALL THE PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO I MEAN, IS IT DEMORALIZING FOR YOUR STAFF AT TIMES THAT OH YEAH, THIS PROJECT JUST KIND OF KEEPS EXTENDING AND EXTENDING AND EXTENDING. 
          I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY ASKING ME OR NOT. 
          I REALLY AM . 
          UM, IT IT CAN BE. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE HAD PROJECTS PUT ON HOLD AND RECONSIDERED AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND YEAH, THAT WAS FOR SOME OF OUR STAFF THAT WAS HARD TO TAKE. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY REALLY PUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR FULL EFFORT INTO THESE PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOLD THIS IS WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THE CITY. 
          AND, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE PART OF DECIDING THAT AND DETERMINING THAT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A RUG PULL TO SAY, YEAH, YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY, BUT STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU NEED TO RECONSIDER IT. 
          UM, I THINK IF WE CAN BETTER SUPPORT THE GOALS THAT WE ESTABLISH AND THE PRIORITIES WE ESTABLISHED IN THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE SAY MOVE FORWARD WITH, I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO OUR STAFF AND, AND KEEPING THEM, YOU KNOW, UM, FEELING GOOD ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ISSUE WE'RE GONNA RESOLVE TODAY, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ON OUR TO-DO LIST IS TO THINK THROUGH HOW WE DO THIS PRIORITIZATION. 
          SO THAT, I MEAN, SO IT'S NOT AN EVERY YEAR THING THAT THE, THE BUDGET WORK GROUP COMES BACK AND SAYS, YOU GOT TOO MANY PRIORITIES. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT AGAIN, WE NEED TO BRING UP AT THE JANUARY WORK SESSION OF THE, UH, PRIORITY SETTINGS AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER THERE. 
          SO, UH, IT MAY BE TOO LATE THEN THAT'S THE ISSUE. 
          IF WE, IF THE PROCESS ITSELF NEEDS TO BE RETHOUGHT, THEN THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE BUDGET WORKS. 
          THE, THE, THE PRIORITY SETTING SESSION WOULD BE MY ARGUMENT. 
          AND I DO THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN A POINT OF DISCUSSION AT EVERY JANUARY RETREAT MM-HMM. 
          FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          AND I THINK TO ANDY'S POINT, THAT IS ONE WAY TO THAT, THAT IT DOES BECOME FRUSTRATING AND DEMORALIZING FOR STAFF, BUT THE SHEER VOLUME IS ALSO, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS REASONABLE AND DOABLE. 
          RIGHT? AND I KNOW THAT AT, AT THE JANUARY PRIORITIES THINGS WE HAVE SAID, WHEN NEW THINGS COME UP, SOMETHING'S GOTTA GIVE AND COME OFF THE LIST. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, THAT'S MY POINT. 
          AND THAT'S, I'M, I'M AWARE OF THAT AND WE ALL HAVE ISSUES AND THE PUBLIC HAS ISSUES AND EVERYBODY THEY THINK THAT WE HAVE STAFF, YOU KNOW, TENFOLD OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WE DON'T. 
          SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M AMAZED AT WHAT COMES FROM STAFF AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, ESPECIALLY FROM ANDY'S FORMER GROUP. 
          AND UH, I'M SURE KURT WILL TRY HIS BEST TO DO JUST, YOU KNOW, THE SAME KIND OF VOLUME. 
          BUT IT'S A LOT FOR, FOR WHAT PEOPLE DO. 
          ALRIGHT, JESSICA, YOU WANT TO SPEAK AND THEN I DO. 
          AND THEN THE VICE MAYOR, THAT'S FINE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TOO MANY PRIORITIES, BUT YOU GUYS BROUGHT US SEVEN MORE. 
          SO THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE FACE EVERY SINGLE TIME. 
          AND YOU BROUGHT US YOUR PERSONAL PEEVES AND YOUR PERSONAL PRIORITIES. 
          AND WE HAVE PERSONAL PRIORITIES TOO ON COUNCIL PICKLEBALL BIG AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT ISN'T A PRIORITY EXCEPT IT IS. 
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AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU KIND OF TALKED AND NO , YOU KIND OF TALKED AND, AND CAME TO CONSENSUS, WE KIND OF COME TO CON CONSENSUS, OKAY, PUT PICKLEBALL, I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROCESS AND I AGREE WE HAVE TOO MANY PRIORITIES. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, FOCUSING ON TRAFFIC AND GARBAGE AND HOUSING. 
          SO TRAFFIC SHOULD NO LONGER BE A PRI. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR PRIORITY LIST, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE ARE AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY AND FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO INTERACT FOR RESIDENTS. 
          RESIDENTS HAVE THEIR OWN PRIORITIES, UM, AND WE HAVE OUR OWN PRIORITIES. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S COMING TO A DECISION ON WHAT THAT IS. 
          AND I, I THINK I'M VERY STRUCK BY WHAT ANDY SAID, HOW FAR BE ARE BEHIND, ARE WE ON SCHEDULE NOW? WE ARE ARE WE ON SCHEDULE OR HOW FAR BEYOND? UM, 11 MINUTES. 
          SO I, I I'M GONNA STOP BECAUSE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS ALL DAY. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT AT THE NEXT, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND YOU, WE MAY WANT, IF BRIAN WANTS TO SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION OF PRIORITIES PRIOR TO JANUARY, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT I REALLY THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER TIME AND IT IS AN ISSUE. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY 12 MINUTES BEHIND NOW. 
          THANK YOU . 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          YES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO THIS IS SO REMINISCENT OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING. 
          FOR YEARS, THE SAME EXACT ITEMS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BY THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE IT A DIFFERENT, UM, I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARKING GARAGE BEING PUT ON HOLD AND THE DEMORALIZATION OF THE PEOPLE WORKING ON THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE FACT THAT OUR C I P PROJECTS NEVER ACHIEVE THE BUDGETARY NUMBER THAT IS ASSIGNED TO THEM. 
          AND SO I WANT TO, SO I THINK THE QUESTION HAS TO BE, ARE PEOPLE DEMORALIZED IN THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A 30 MILLION OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS BOGEY, AND YOU ONLY GET TO FULFILL 10 MILLION. 
          WELL, I THINK IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT IT'S, IT KIND OF COMES WITH THE TERRITORY THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CHALLENGES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THE PAST FEW YEARS NOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A LOT, YOU KNOW, WITH SU SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A LONG LIST OF CHALLENGES AND IT, IT, IT MAKES THE WORK HARDER. 
          UM, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT'S DEMORALIZING. 
          UM, I, I THINK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NOT BEING SUPPORTED, THAT THAT'S WHERE THE DEMORALIZING SIDE OF IT COMES IN. 
          THAT WE TOLD YOU WE SUPPORT YOU ON THIS AND NOW WE DON'T MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, AND THAT, THAT HAS HAPPENED A FEW TIMES. 
          AND, AND THOSE, THOSE TIMES ARE DIFFICULT FOR STAFF. 
          AND, UH, AND I THANK YOU. 
          UH, I DO THINK THOUGH, FROM A OPTICS POINT OF VIEW AND FROM A BUDGET POINT OF VIEW, WE OVERINFLATE THE BUDGET AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A MUCH BIGGER, IT IS A BIGGER BUDGET AND WE NEVER ACHIEVE IT. 
          WE NEVER HAVE ACHIEVED IT, RIGHT? EXCEPT ONE YEAR WE GOT CLOSE, I THINK, UH, AND I'VE BEEN ARGUING ABOUT THIS FOREVER. 
          SO I DO THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT HERE IN THESE NEXT TWO DAYS AND IN ADOPTING THE BUDGET TO TAKE A MORE REALISTIC LOOK AT HOW WE'RE ASSIGNING THE CIP PROJECTS AND PUTTING A DOLLAR AMOUNT TOWARDS THEM AND WHETHER IT'S REASONABLE OR NOT. 
          SO I THINK WE COULD TAKE ACTION IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS SIDE? CAN I JUST, MELISSA? MELISSA? SURE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, I JUST WANT EVERYONE OUT THERE WHO WORKED ON THIS TO REALIZE A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAID WAS SAID BY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE PRIORITY SESSIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU'VE GOT SET A PRIORITY VALUE ON ANY PROJECT. 
          AND I SAW THAT IN THE, IN THE BUDGET BOOK, ESSENTIAL 
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MUST DO, SHOULD DO, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, BUT I'M ONLY INTERESTED IN DOING THE ESSENTIAL ONES THIS YEAR. 
          I WON'T WORRY ABOUT THE OTHERS. 
          CUZ THAT'S HOW WE GET IT DONE. 
          THAT HAS TO BE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE, I THINK IN THE NEXT TWO DAYS. 
          UM, FIRST, WHETHER OR NOT WE ALL AGREED ON THE DEFINITION OF WHAT IS ESSENTIAL AND WHAT IS MUST DO AND WHAT IS SHOULD. 
          UM, AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THOSE PROJECTS ARE ARE FAIRLY RATED. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WE ALL HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT CITIES ARE LIVING ORGANISMS. THEY CHANGE TECHNOLOGIES, CHANGE THE MIX OF PEOPLE'S CHANGE. 
          UM, AND, AND EVERY TIME THAT HAPPENS, WHAT YOU NEED TO GET DONE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE CITY MOVING FORWARD MIGHT CHANGE. 
          AND SO YOU CAN GET FRUSTRATED FOR SURE. 
          HEY, I RAN, I RAN A HUGE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO DID, UM, FOR, FOR A MAJOR RETAILER, DID THEIR ONLINE. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU EVERY TIME WE TURNED AROUND, SOMEBODY'S PRIORITY CHANGED, RIGHT? SO I GET IT, BUT IT'S A LIVING THING AND YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS BEST TO KEEP THE CITY SUSTAINABLE AND MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND THAT MIGHT CHANGE OVER TIME. 
          UM, AND I DON'T WANNA PULL THE RUG OUT FROM ANYONE ON STAFF, BUT MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE MORE STAFF INPUT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON FROM THE STAFF SIDE INSTEAD OF THEM BEING SORT OF A PASSIVE ORGANIZATION THAT WE SAY GO DO. 
          WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS. 
          AND SO I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I JUST BADGER KAREN ALL THE TIME WITH QUESTIONS AND I'M SURE SHE THEN GOES AND BADGER YOU GUYS. 
          BUT, UM, THE, THE POINT IS THAT MAYBE WE NEEDED FEEDBACK MORE FROM THE STAFF TOO, TO KNOW WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON SO THAT IT'S MORE OF A TWO-WAY CONVERSATION INSTEAD OF A, YOU KNOW, THOU SHALT GO DO. 
          THANK YOU MELISSA. 
          THIS SIDE. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE NOW BEHIND BY 15 MINUTES AND WE NEED TO TRY TO, WE HAVE A LOT TO DO BEFORE FIVE O'CLOCK OR LATER TODAY. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN TO THE GROUP. 
          UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME. 
          OBVIOUSLY HE SPENT QUITE A LOT OF IT, SO THANK YOU SHERRY. 
          UH, YOU UP? YES, I WILL. 
          WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          I I THINK SOME OF THEM MIGHT NEED TO LEAVE AND SOME MAY STICK AROUND. 
          SO COME TO OUR JANUARY PRIORITY SETTING AND REMIND US. 
          OH, UM, I DID WANNA SAY, UH, THAT YOU, I KNOW YOU OFFERED ABOUT BEING ON A COMMITTEE. 
          WHY DON'T YOU CONTACT LAUREN BROWN? SHE'S OUR CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SHE'S PRETTY AMAZING. 
          KEGAN IS OR SOMETHING. 
          KEGAN IS. 
          OH THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YOU SWITCHED EITHER ONE. 
          THAT'S A DYNAMIC DUO WHO WORK WITH CITIZENS ENGAGEMENT AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT, UH, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SANITATION, UH, THEN YOU CAN BE ON THAT COMMITTEE IF THEY, IF THEY SO, UH, CHOOSE. 
          WE CAN'T PICK YOU FOR THE COMMITTEES, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DID WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE PAUSE AND INTRODUCE, UM, A COUPLE OF, UH, STAFF. 
          SO, UM, OVER IN THE, THE STAFF SECTION OVER HERE WE'VE GOT RENEE STANLEY, SHE'S OUR ACCOUNTING MANAGER. 
          SO SHE'S MY, UM, SUPPORT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS TO HELP KEEP UP WITH ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT WILL BE MOVING PARTS THROUGH ALL OF THIS. 
          SO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE HER. 
          SHE'S, UM, REALLY HELPFUL. 
          UM, TO ME. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, FUTURE EMPLOYEE AND THE AUDIENCE WHO WILL BE STARTING NEXT MONTH. 
          OH. 
          UM, STERLING WEST WILL BE OUR NEW BUDGET AND FINANCIAL ANALYST. 
          HI. 
          SO STAND UP, SAY A FEW. 
          NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          , NO . 
          SO VERY EXCITED, UM, FOR HIM TO START. 
          AND, UM, IN THE BACK WE HAVE KATIE TRO AND SHE'S THE ONE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ACCOUNTS PAYABLE. 
          AND SO SHE, WE GOTTA KEEP HER AROUND. 
          SHE'S INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT SHE CAN MAKE SURE THAT SHE'S PROCESSING THINGS CORRECTLY IN THE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE PROCESS. 
          SO, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO, UM, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING INTO EACH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGETS. 
          UM, AND UM, I MENTIONED BEFORE, SO THEY'RE IN THE ORDER AS WE WORK THROUGH THE BOOK, UH, THE ORDER THAT THE DEPARTMENTS WILL BE PRESENTING, UM, THERE'S THE SLIDES IN THE POWERPOINT, UM, THAT WILL PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE DIRECT COST FOR THE PROGRAM. 
          SO, UM, EACH PROGRAM ALSO HAS A COMPONENT FOR INDIRECT COSTS. 
          I'M JUST SUMMARIZING FOR YOU THE CHANGES IN THE DIRECT COSTS. 
          UM, CUZ EACH DEPARTMENT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONTROL ON, ON HOW WE CALCULATE THE ALLOCATION OF THOSE INDIRECT COSTS. 
          UH, THEN THERE'S A SLIDE THAT WE WILL SUMMARIZE WHAT'S IN THEIR BUDGETS FOR THE ONE TIME COSTS, AND IF THEY HAVE DECISION PACKAGES, THEN THERE'S A SLIDE TO SUMMARIZE THOSE. 
          IF THERE ARE CIP PROJECTS, THEN THERE'S A SLIDE FOR THAT. 
          UM, THERE IS NOT A SLIDE, 
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UM, IN THE POWERPOINT THAT SUMMARIZES ANYTHING FOR THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, GOALS, AND THE MEASURES. 
          SO WE WILL REFER TO THE BOOK FOR ANY OF THAT THAT YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH. 
          SO YOU WILL, YOU WILL WANNA FOLLOW ALONG IN THE BOOK. 
          AND, UH, ON THE SLIDES, UM, SINCE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, UM, NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WANTED TO, UH, DO A LITTLE REFRESH ON THE ONGOING VERSUS ONE TIME WE DID CREATE FOR THIS YEAR, WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S PUT A THRESHOLD BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME SMALL AMOUNTS THAT WERE GETTING CODED TO ONE TIME THAT WE ARE LIKE, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT OF ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, EFFORT THAT DOESN'T SEEM VALUABLE. 
          SO WE PUT A THRESHOLD OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE, ON THE ONE TIME EXPENDITURES, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT JUST AREN'T, UM, DONE ANNUALLY. 
          UM, AND REVENUES THAT AREN'T ANNUALLY, THINGS THAT ARE, ARE, UM, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST EVERY YEAR, UM, LEVEL. 
          AND EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT AN EVERY YEAR LEVEL IS, THEN UM, WE HAVE THOSE AS WELL. 
          SORRY IF I MIGHT. 
          UH, IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE NEW TIMERS. 
          THIS GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STUFF IS ACTUALLY QUITE COMPLEX. 
          AND EVEN FOR OLD TIMERS, YOU HAVE TO REMIND YOURSELF WHAT GOES ON HERE FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          ONE THING THAT I NOTE THAT IT WAS EVEN KIND OF NEW FOR ME THINKING ABOUT IT IS YOU LIST DEBT COSTS AS A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE. 
          BUT AS I NOTICED, I BELIEVE I'VE NOTICED THROUGH THE BUDGET BOOK EVEN THINGS LIKE OUR LEASES ARE CATEGORIZED AS ONE TIME EXPENDITURES, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE GONE ON FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS, THREE, FIVE OR WHATEVER. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT'S EVERY YEAR ONGOING. 
          LIKE THERE'S A, THERE'S A TERM TO IT. 
          UM, WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY DONE, UM, CASH FUNDING ON THINGS. 
          AND SO YES, WE HAVE EMBARKED ON SOME LEASES AND SOME DEBT. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT TYPICALLY BEEN A CITY THAT FINANCES EVERYTHING. 
          AND THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT, THAT IS THEIR APPROACH. 
          THEY'RE SPREADING THE COST ACROSS MULTIPLE YEARS, UM, INTENTIONALLY ALL THE TIME. 
          SO A VEHICLE LEASE IS WHAT, IF WE HAVE A VEHICLE LEASE, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA LEASE THE VEHICLE FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR TERMS ARE, THREE OR FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, SEVEN YEARS, SEVEN YEARS. 
          IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE VEHICLE IS. 
          SO SOMETIMES WE'LL CALL IT ONE TIME, SOMETIMES WE'LL CALL IT AN ONGOING EXPENSE. 
          NO, THOSE ARE IN, UM, THE ONE TIME. 
          THOSE ARE ALL IN THE ONE TIME. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT. 
          THAT IS OFTENTIMES CONFUSING WHAT REALLY FEELS LIKE AN ONGOING EXPENSE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT FOR SEVEN YEARS IN A ROW IS IN OUR BUDGET AS ONE TIME EXPENDITURES, BUT YEAH. 
          BUT THERE IS A TERM ON IT. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THE, THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          SO THE BOOK IS ORGANIZED BASED OFF OF DEPARTMENT, BUT THERE ARE OPERATIONS THAT WILL GO ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND SO WHAT'S IN THE DEPARTMENT IS THE PORTION THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          SO LIKE THE ONE BIG ONE IS, UM, PARKS. 
          SO PARKS AND RECREATION HANDLES THE OPERATION SIDE. 
          PUBLIC WORKS HANDLES THE MAINTENANCE SIDE. 
          SO EACH ONE HAS A PROGRAM FOR PARKS IN THEIR BUDGETS AND IT'S THE PORTIONS FOR WHICH THEY ARE MANAGING AND RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A VARIETY OF AREAS. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO I DID WANT TO, UM, POINT OUT, SO IN THE, THE METRICS THAT YOU SEE, THERE'S INSTANCES WHERE THERE ARE BENCHMARKS AND UM, SO AS WE GET TO SOME OF SOME OF THOSE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THEM. 
          BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE A POINT, AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, EVEN WHEN JUSTIN, UM, CLIFTON WAS STILL HERE, THAT WE HAD SOME CONCERNS OF THE PARTICIPATION DWINDLING WITH ICMA OF CITIES PROVIDING THEIR DATA. 
          SO, UM, SO JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE, LIKE THIS ISN'T SOME BIG BROAD SPECTRUM OF DATA ACROSS MANY, MANY, MANY CITIES ACROSS US. 
          IT IS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF PARTICIPATION. 
          AND SO WE EVEN LIKE DID RANGES. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE LIKE A NOTATION THAT IS TAKING DATA ALL THE WAY BACK FROM 2016 THROUGH 2021 AND AVERAGING ALL THAT OUT IN ORDER TO GET A VOLUME OF DATA THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY IS AS MEANINGFUL AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT I JUST WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR ON THAT. 
          THE, THERE, THERE ISN'T REALLY SOME SOURCE OUT THERE THAT IDEALLY WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, THIS IS A BLENDING ACROSS MANY ORGANIZATIONS. 
          OKAY, SO, UM, FIRST UP IS THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT. 
          AND UM, SO I HAVE A, A SUMMARY OF THE, UM, CHANGES IN THE DIRECT COST FOR THE WASTEWATER, UM, DEPARTMENT'S 
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BUDGET. 
          SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY THE ENTIRE WASTEWATER FUND, IT'S WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT UNDER ROXANNE'S PURVIEW. 
          UM, SO GOING FROM 4 MILLION TO, UM, NOT QUITE 4.3 MILLION. 
          AND UM, IT'S A VARIETY OF THINGS. 
          THERE'S NOTHING LIKE SUPER HUGE, UM, IN ANY OF THIS THERE. 
          UH, THE ONE TIME COSTS ARE GOING UP 92,000, UM, WAGE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          SO JUST GENERALLY ACROSS ALL, ALL DEPARTMENTS, WE UM, UH, ADJUSTED BENEFITS BASED OFF OF THE RATE CHANGES, UM, THAT WERE BEING GIVEN. 
          AND, UM, WE JUST DID AN ACROSS THE BOARD ASSUMPTION OF, OF A 5%, UH, PAY ADJUSTMENT. 
          SO IN THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT RESULTED IN NOT QUITE 35,000. 
          AND JUST GENERALLY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, UM, WE LOOK AT WHERE, UH, PEOPLE ARE AT CURRENTLY. 
          AND SO COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, IF THERE'S BEEN TURNOVER, UM, YOU COULD HAVE A SITUATION WHERE AN EMPLOYEE HAD BEEN HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, THEY WERE MAKING A HIGH SALARY, GET SOMEBODY ON BOARD, MAYBE HAS A LITTLE LESS EXPERIENCE AND THEY START AT A LOWER SALARY. 
          SO THAT NET EFFECT IS ALL BUILT INTO THE CHANGES IN THE, UH, WAGES AND BENEFITS. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE INCREASE IN UTILITY COSTS, I WOULD TURN TO ROXANNE FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN I'VE GOT LISTED THERE, SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, SIGNIFICANT ITEMS THAT REALLY AREN'T ALL THAT MUCH. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE INCREASE IN THE UV BULBS, JUST CUZ I'M CURIOUS. 
          WE JUST, UM, DID THE CONTRACT, WE JUST AUTHORIZED THAT FOR THE PURCHASE OF ALL THAT LIGHTING. 
          SO THIS 15,000 IN HERE IS ANOTHER ANTICIPATED COST THAT WILL COME IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE CONTRACT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WE HAD BUDGETED 90,000 BASED ON OUR, UM, COST FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          IT WENT UP TO 102,000 THIS YEAR. 
          SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THERE COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE NEXT YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I ALSO DID WANNA POINT OUT, SO ON THESE SLIDES WITH THE CHANGES, SO I'VE GOT PERCENTAGE CHANGE, SO THE CHANGE BETWEEN, UM, THE 4 MILLION FOR 23 AND THE 4.3 MILLION FOR 24 IS 7%. 
          UM, BUT I ALSO HAVE A CALCULATION FOR YOU ON THE ONGOING COST WHERE I'M TAKING OUT THE ONE TIME BECAUSE ONE TIME'S GONNA BE BIG SPIKES. 
          UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE A SENSE OF, OF, UH, WHERE THE ONE TIME STARTS. 
          SO, UM, THE TOTAL CHANGE IS 7%, BUT FOR, UH, WHAT ROXANNE IS PROPOSING, UM, THE ONGOING PORTION IS A 5% DECREASE. 
          SHERRY, IF I, MY TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ROXANNE, JUST CURIOUS WHETHER THE INCREASE IN THE WETLANDS MAINTENANCE COSTS AND THE INCREASE IN THE CENTRIFUGE REBUILD COSTS ARE INDICATIVE OF ANYTHING GOING ON THAT IS GONNA GROW ? NO, IT'S JUST COSTS THAT HAVE, WE'VE SEEN INFLATION, UM, THE WETLANDS COSTS, WE ARE KIND OF CATCHING UP ON SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THERE. 
          SO, UM, THAT COULD TAPER OFF IN FUTURE YEARS. 
          GREAT. 
          NOT SAYING QUICKLY, UH, THE WETLANDS COST, UH, FOR MAINTENANCE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE, UH, THE, UH, PVC PIPES IN THE GROUND THAT NEED TO BE THAT BREAK AND NO, UH, THE WETLANDS ARE OUR SIX OPEN PONDS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NO, BUT NOTHING TO DO. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S MANAGEMENT OF THE CATTAILS, MANAGEMENT OF THE VEGETATION, THE TRAILS AROUND IT, THE FENCING, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. 
          HI ROXANNE. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR STAFFING? DO YOU HAVE STAFFING ISSUES? ARE YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR TURNOVER RATE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO KEEP STAFF? YEAH, SO WE, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT WE ARE FULLY STAFFED RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVE ONE VACANT POSITION THAT WE'RE, UM, INTENTIONALLY HOLDING, VACANT, COMPARING, CONTRACTING OUT THAT WORK VERSUS HAVING SOMEBODY ON STAFF FULL TIME. 
          UM, BUT, UH, WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD TEAM. 
          EVERYBODY SEEMS REALLY HAPPY WHERE THEY'RE AT. 
          I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY TURNOVER. 
          WE DO HAVE A COUPLE FOLKS THAT MIGHT BE NEARING, UM, RETIREMENT AND SO, UM, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE'LL BE RECRUITING FOR. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          TO CONTINUE. 
          UM, SO HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THE ONE TIME ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE, UH, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 24. 
          UM, THEY ADD UP TO, UM, NOT QUITE $420,000. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A LOT OF, UM, NOT NECESSARILY LARGE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. 
          THE BIG ONE IS THE, UM, BACTER TRUCK, UM, LEASE, WHICH, UM, WE HAD IN THE BUDGET AT 148 AND I FORGET WHAT THE FINAL NUMBER WAS, THE LAST, IT WAS LIKE 1 36 
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OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO THE, THE BID CAME IN LESS THAN OUR, OUR ROUGH ESTIMATE THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE ONE TIME COSTS, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          UM, SO BEFORE WE JUMP INTO, UM, THE, THE C I P, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON ANY OF, UM, WHAT WE REFERRED TO 'EM AS THE NARRATIVE PAGES WHERE IT'S GOT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, GOALS, PERFORMANCE MEASURES? YES, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, R ROXANNE, I'M LOOKING AT THE WW THREE PAGE. 
          SORRY, I, IT'S TIME FOR ME TO GET NEW GLASSES, APPARENTLY, , AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOUR OVERALL VALUE, FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY, YOUR MEASURES HAVEN'T CHANGED. 
          21, 22, 23, 24 IS ALL THE SAME NUMBERS. 
          JUST KIND OF HELP ME UNDERSTAND YOUR THINKING ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE PUSHING OURSELVES TO ACHIEVE SUSTAINABILITY SO THAT FOR SUSTAINABILITY, THE WORKLOAD INDICATORS I CAN HELP WITH OKAY. 
          WITH THIS AS WELL. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RATES, RATES BEING CHARGED? YEP. 
          YEP. 
          SORRY, I WAS ON THE WRONG PAGE. 
          SO, UM, SO HE'S, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE, OH, THESE, UM, GOTCHA. 
          THE FEES. 
          SO THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDY HAS BEEN ON HOLD. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE NOT DONE A RATE INCREASE SINCE I THINK 20. 
          AH, SO THESE NUMBERS ARE INDICATIVE FROM THE WASTEWATER. 
          THAT'S HOW WE PUT THEM IN IS FROM THE STUDY, NOT FROM SOME PERSONAL DEPARTMENTAL GOAL OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. 
          THIS IS OFFICIAL POLICY SET BY THE WASTEWATER. 
          OKAY. 
          I I THIS IS THE FEES THAT WE'RE CHARGING. 
          YEP. 
          SO, SO STANDARD RESIDENTIAL IS THE 61 11. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE LOW IS THE, UM, 47 52. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE ON PAGE FIVE, WHICH IS IN OPERATIONS, GOOD GOVERNANCE OVERALL CITY VALUE. 
          I LOOK AT TARGETS OF THIS IS THE PERCENT OF COLLECTION SERVICE CALLS THAT ARE CITY OF SEDONA RESPONSIBILITY. 
          AND IT WENT UP OVER TIME. 
          IT'S KIND OF, WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT DOWN BELOW 40%. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE PUSHING OURSELVES, UH, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH TO GET THESE, THAT PERCENTAGE BACK DOWN TO WHERE IT WAS. 
          SO OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS LESS THAN 40%. 
          UM, THOSE, THE 67, THE 14 AND THE 20% ARE ACTUAL PERCENTAGES THAT WERE OUR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          UM, SO WE KEEP THAT GOAL OF UNDER 40% YEAR AFTER YEAR AND, AND WE CHOOSE THAT NUMBER BASED ON, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE ANECDOTAL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS SOMETIMES I JUST THINK WHEN I SEE THE GOAL IS 40%, WE CAN GET 20% THAT WE'RE NOT PUSHING THE GOAL AS HARD AS WE CAN. 
          WELL, A LOT OF THIS IS JUST OUT OF OUR CONTROL. 
          WE MIGHT HAVE ROOT INTRUSION, UM, IN A, IN A, IN A LINE THAT IS ULTIMATELY OUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THOSE ROOTS AND WHERE THEY GO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN NECESSARILY, UM, CONTROL. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          I SUSPECT THAT THAT'S SIMILAR ANSWER YOU'LL GIVE ME ABOUT WHY THERE'S REALLY NO BENCHMARKS IN MANY OF THESE CATEGORIES TOO, THAT RIGHT. 
          THERE'S NO INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          I KNOW THERE CAN BE NO INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT WE CAN SET, YOU KNOW, YOUR MANAGEMENT STANDARD OF WHAT YOURE TRYING TO OUR OWN BENCHMARKS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE WAY WE HANDLE THE BENCHMARK IS, UM, COMPARISON TO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF OURSELVES AND THEN THE TARGET, THE GOAL IS THAT BENCHMARK WE'RE ESTABLISHING INTERNALLY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. 
          YEP. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN OFTEN DO BETTER THAN WHAT THE INDUSTRY IS GETTING AND WE OFTEN ARE. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO PUSH OURSELVES TO, YOU KNOW, WE SET A GOAL ON PAGE SIX OF LESS THAN FIVE LAB DEFICIENCIES AND WE'RE ALWAYS AT ZERO OR ONE, SO WHY ISN'T THE GOAL TWO ONE ? SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO CHALLENGE OURSELVES SURE. 
          TO ACTUALLY BE DELIVERING VALUE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, PETE, NEXT. 
          ANYONE ELSE? BRIAN, SHERRY, THE SLIDE YOU HAVE UP HERE, I SEE WHERE THAT TIES INTO THE BUDGET BOOK ON PAGE ONE AS THE ONE TIME WITH YOUR PRIOR SLIDE 
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ON THE SCREEN, YOUR PRIOR SLIDE, THE 4.299, LIKE I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE IS THAT IN THE BUDGET BOOK? UM, SO THIS IS DIRECT COST ONLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO IT'S EXCLUDING THE INDIRECT COST MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND IF YOU ADDED UP, UM, THE DIRECT COSTS ON PAGE TWO AND PAGE FOUR, THEN THOSE SHOULD ADD UP TO YEAH, I'LL LOOK AT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE SHOULD TIE TO SOME NUMBERS IN THE BUDGET BOOK. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR ROXANNE, WHERE ARE WE WITH CAPACITY? UM, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WELL WITH CAPACITY RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVEN'T SEEN AN INCREASE IN OUR FLOWS. 
          UM, THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO SERVE IS NEARING OUR ACTUAL CONSTRUCTED CAPACITY NOW. 
          UM, AND THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP IN ACTUAL FLOWS. 
          THIS IS JUST DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE APPROVED. 
          THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT YET. 
          UM, BUT AS THOSE FLOWS ACTUALLY NEAR THAT, WHAT A D Q LIKES TO SEE IS THAT WE HAVE A, A PROJECTS IN OUR C I P TO ADD THAT CAPACITY. 
          SO WE'RE DOING OKAY. 
          AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT X NUMBER OF YEARS? UM, SO IT'S KIND OF TRICKY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO, BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN A HUGE INCREASE TO OUR FLOWS AND THAT COULD BE DUE TO A NUMBER OF THINGS. 
          UM, MORE EFFICIENT WATER FIXTURES, UM, YOU KNOW, HABITS OF PEOPLE IN, IN THEIR WATER CONSERVATION. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY HOW FAST WE WOULD CATCH UP TO THOSE LIMITS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOTHING ON THE HORI NEAR HORIZON? NO. 
          WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME ADDED CAPACITY SCHEDULED NEXT YEAR FOR OUR UV UPGRADES. 
          UM, WE'RE DOING THOSE NOW BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S OLD AND NEEDS REPLACING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE'LL ADD THAT CAPACITY BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF OUR PROCESSES THAT ARE LOWER ON THE CAPACITY. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SHERRY, ARE WE PLANNING A, A RATE STUDY ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE? THE, IN, IN MY MIND WHERE WE'RE KIND OF AT IS THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A WORK GROUP, UM, TO GET SOME INPUT FROM THEM ON WHERE WE'RE AT, THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO COUNSEL, UM, AND KIND OF GET SOME FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THE TOLERANCE. 
          AND MAYBE THEY COME UP WITH SOME IDEA OF LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS? YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL, WE'LL SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY ANYTHING. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE NEXT STEP IS REALLY TO GET SOME, SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND MAYBE, UM, THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, EVEN JUST CUZ WE WERE LOOKING AT A SCENARIO OF NOT EVEN CHANGING WHAT THE TOTAL REVENUE GENERATION WOULD BE, IT WOULD JUST CHANGING THE STRUCTURE. 
          SOME PEOPLE WOULD PAY MORE, SOME PEOPLE WOULD PAY LESS AND, UM, SEE WHAT THE TOLERANCE IS. 
          ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT THIS FISCAL YEAR? I WOULD LIKE TO START UP ON THE WORK GROUP, UM, SOMETIME IN LIKE, MAYBE THE FALL, BUT IT KIND OF JUST DEPENDS UPON HOW SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS GO BECAUSE, UM, DURING THE JANUARY RETREAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNCIL SAID WAS THE EERP SYSTEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          SO WE'LL GET TO THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION . 
          SO, ALRIGHT, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE ON, ROXIE, I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE CAPACITY AND I, I SAW A REPORT, OR MAYBE IT WAS TALKING TO YOU, THAT WITH ALL THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, PEOPLE WERE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE, MORE USAGE BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND IT HASN'T EVEN PROVED TO BE, IS THAT RIGHT? UM, WELL IF YOU LOOK AT OUR FLOWS, I DID ON PAID OR PERFORMANCE MEASURES ON PAGE, UM, FIVE, UM, YOU'LL SEE IN FY 21 WE HAD 1.1 IN FY 22 WHEN TOURISM WAS KIND OF AT ITS PEAK WE INCREASED AND IT'S, WE'RE ESTIMATING IT'S GONNA LEVEL OUT KIND OF IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO YEARS NOW. 
          SO WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE PEOPLE COMING, THEY'RE JUST OFFSETTING WHERE THEY'RE STAYING. 
          SO IT'S NOT REALLY HAVING A BIG IMPACT ON THE AMOUNT OF, UH, VOLUME WE SEE. 
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INTERESTING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I APPRECIATE IT. 
          ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, SHERRY, YOU'RE, UM, ROXANNE, YOU CONTINUE. 
          UM, AND I, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, ON THIS SLIDE WHAT I INCLUDED, SO THE INTERNAL CHARGES SECTION, THERE'S, UM, TWO COMPONENTS. 
          SO THE INDIRECT COSTS. 
          AND SO, UM, THIS SLIDE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE INDIRECT COST ALLOCATIONS, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE THE ALLOCATIONS THAT WE DO FOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE AND THE MAJOR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MOVING ON TO THE C I P PROJECTS. 
          SO, UM, I BROKE IT AGAIN. 
          MOVE, PROCEED, , NOTHING TO SEE HERE. 
          PAY NO ATTENTION. 
          OKAY. 
          PAY NO. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          GOING ON. 
          SO IN, IN YOUR BOOKS, TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT YES. 
          IN YOUR BOOKS, THE CIP PROJECTS ARE IN NEW ORDER. 
          UM, I DID WANT TO ALSO LIKE, SO THAT YOU HAVE A WAY TO FOCUS ON THEM IN ANOTHER WAY. 
          THESE ARE GROUPED BASED OFF OF ARE THEY CARRYOVER PROJECTS? ARE THEY NEW PROJECTS BEING ADDED FOR APPROPRIATION IN, UM, FISCAL YEAR 24 AND THEN THE FUTURE PROJECTS? AND SO ON THIS SLIDE, IT'S JUST THE ONES THAT HAVE, UM, COST IN THE, THOSE THREE FUNDED YEARS IN YOUR BOOKS. 
          WE ONLY PRINTED PROJECT SHEETS FOR THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE, UM, COSTS THAT ARE IN WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE FIRST THREE FUNDED YEARS OF THE 10 YEAR PLAN. 
          IF IT'S A PROJECT THAT'S IN THE REMAINING SEVEN YEARS OF THE PLAN, IT'S ON THE SUMMARY LIST OF ALL THE CIP PROJECTS. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S, WE DIDN'T PRINT A DETAIL SHEET. 
          THERE'S, WE FIGURE THERE'S ENOUGH DETAIL SHEETS AS IT IS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT PROJECTS THAT ARE BEYOND WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE THREE FUNDED YEAR. 
          SO OUR, OUR POLICY HAS BEEN, WE IDENTIFY FUNDING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COVER THE COST FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. 
          UM, WE'RE IN THE BUDGET, WE'RE ONLY ASKING YOU TO SAY, YES, WE'RE GOOD WITH FISCAL YEAR 24 NUMBERS, BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND, UM, THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM COUNCIL THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, UM, ESSENTIALLY I THINK KIND OF STARTED WHEN SIM, UM, CA CAME INTO, INTO PLACE OF IF A PROJECT STALLS A PROJECT FROM A LATER YEAR COULD MOVE UP AND REPLACE THAT PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT'S BEEN THE UNDERSTANDING WITH COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          SO THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMETHING'S STALLED AND NOT SO MUCH ON WASTEWATER, IT TENDS TO BE OTHER AREAS THAT THINGS GET STALLED MORE OFTEN. 
          UM, THAT IF WE PROCEEDED AND MOVED UP A FISCAL YEAR 25 PROJECT BECAUSE A FISCAL YEAR 24 PROJECT ISN'T HAPPENING, THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THESE THINGS OUT THERE AND THAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          UM, I HAVE A VARIETY OF NOTES ON THE SLIDE, UM, AND THE, UH, WW OH ONE F THE MAJOR LIFT STATION UPGRADE. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE THAT LAST YEAR WE SAID, UH, WE'RE GONNA USE SOME OF OUR ARPA MONEY TOWARDS THIS PROJECT AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE USING PART OF OUR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE THAT IS IN THE WASTEWATER FUND TO HELP, UH, PAY FOR PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, THERE'S NOTES THERE ON INCREASES FOR THE APPROPRIATION. 
          UM, ROXANNE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT PROJECT. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN ONE WHERE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND INFLATION HAVE HAD A, A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THAT PROJECT. 
          UM, SO THAT APPROPRIATION IS GOING UP ABOUT 300,000. 
          UM, IN THE MEMO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN OUR ENDING FUND BALANCE AS OF FISCAL YEAR 24 TO COVER ALL THE RESERVES. 
          SO ROXANNE IS TAKING A LOOK AND WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE WOULD DEFER, UM, PROJECT WW OH FOUR AND WW OH EIGHT, WHICH IS THE SCADA SYSTEM UPGRADE AND THE DRYING BEDS REPLACEMENT TO FISCAL YEAR 26 IN ORDER TO STAY WITHIN THE RESERVE REQUIREMENT NEEDS FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 FOURS ENDING BALANCES. 
          AND, UM, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE MORE CONVERSATION LATER ABOUT THE WASTEWATER FUND OVERALL, UM, AND HOW WE WOULD, UM, SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. 
          UM, AND UH, THE OTHER TWO ARE JUST SOME ADDITIONAL INCREASES. 
          THE AREA FOUR VALVE VALVE UPGRADE HAS A SMALL INCREASE OF 25,000 AND THE BACK ON STORAGE BUILDING 117 IN TOTAL PORTION OF THAT INCREASES IN THE 23. 
          SO I DUNNO IF YOU 
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WANNA LIKE, TALK THROUGH ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, JUST ASK QUESTIONS ON THE ONES YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON. 
          ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT ROXANNE TO COVER FOR YOU. 
          MELISSA? HI ROXANNE. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, SO ON MY PAGE WW 15, IT'S THE, UH, VAULT FOUR ONE. 
          UM, I PROFESS TO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ENGINEERING OR WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT. 
          SO THIS MIGHT BE A BIZARRE QUESTION, BUT WHEN I READ THIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE POTENTIALLY, IF THIS WERE TO GO AWRY, UM, THE CHANCES OF THAT ARE VERY, VERY SLIM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CUZ I LOOKED AT IT IN YOUR LIST OF PRIORITIES AND IT'S FAIRLY LOW DOWN. 
          IT IS, YEAH. 
          SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE THAT I WASN'T, YOU KNOW, SUDDENLY GONNA READ SOMEWHERE ABOUT HOW WE HAD WASTEWATER EVERYWHERE. 
          THE FLOODING THAT COULD OCCUR WOULD BE LIKE A WORST CASE SCENARIO. 
          CHANCES ARE IF THIS VALVE DID FAIL, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT SOME MEASURES IN MAYBE SOME BYPASS PUMPING OR A TEMPORARY VALVE TO, TO CONTROL IT BEFORE IT GOT TO THAT POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OH, SORRY. 
          OKAY, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          30 YEAR OLD WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM, GENERAL FUNDS SUBSIDY DISAPPEARING. 
          I LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS THAT WERE PROJECTING IN 25 AND 26, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS OF THE BUDGET THAT ALMOST CONCERNS ME THE MOST THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO AT WASTEWATER RATE STUDY. 
          WE KEEP, IT'S A DIFFICULT PROBLEM AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE IT OVER TIME. 
          THIS IS JUST, I THINK FOR ME, OF THE THINGS I WORRY ABOUT AT NIGHT WHEN I THINK ABOUT FUNDING OF THE CITY, I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD HERE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE PROGRESS ON THE WASTEWATER STUDY AND IT'S A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT DECISION. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT THIS IS AN AREA WHEN WE GET TO THAT SECTION OF THE MEETING WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE IN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT SYSTEM WE REALLY SHOULD BE WORRYING MORE THAN WE ARE AND PERHAPS NEED TO, AND I KNOW WE JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT TOO MUCH ON THE PLATE  AND, UH, AND ALL THE PRIORITIES HERE. 
          BUT THIS I THINK IS A, A PRIORITY THAT'S BEEN UNDER SCOPED FOR US. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO PERHAPS SEE SOME MORE EMPHASIS FROM COUNCIL ON FUNDING OUT AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          ON PROJECT SIX, THE RECHARGE WELLS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT PROJECTED FOR AN FY 24 INVESTMENT, AND MY READING OF THE BUDGET BOOK INDICATES THAT THAT'S REALLY ABOUT BEING ABLE TO MAKE USE OF THE DELLS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE. 
          IS THERE A PARTICULAR AMOUNT OF TIME IN WHICH THE, UH, SPRAY IRRIGATION HAS TO BE ABANDONED BEFORE YOU CAN WIND UP DOING SOMETHING WITH THE LAND? LIKE, UH, THOSE ALMOST FEEL LIKE JUST PLACEHOLDER FIGURES THERE UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW OF. 
          YEAH, IT'S GOTTA BE ABANDONED FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU COULD DO LAND DISTURBANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          NO, THERE'S NO REGULATION ON THAT. 
          BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO ABANDON THE IRRIGATION AND FREE UP THAT LAND FOR OTHER USES, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THOSE TWO RECHARGE WELLS IN PLACE TO, UM, HANDLE THE AFFLUENT DISCHARGE THAT IRRIGATION CURRENTLY HANDLES. 
          UM, AND THOSE RECHARGE WELLS FROM, YOU KNOW, DESIGN TO, TO ACTUAL BEING ABLE TO USE THEM AS A FULL TWO YEAR PROCESS. 
          WOW. 
          UM, WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE OUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS BECOMING PROBLEMATIC. 
          IT'S REALLY OLD. 
          IT'S ALL ABOVE GROUND PIPE, IT DETERIORATES IN THE SUN. 
          WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF BAND-AIDS ON IT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND THESE RECHARGE WELLS WERE, WERE FORECASTED SIX, SEVEN YEARS OUT, BUT RATHER THAN MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN SOMETHING THAT MAY BE GOING AWAY, UH, WE MOVED UP THE, THE RECHARGE WELLS INSTEAD. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I DID, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION, MAYOR BRIAN REMINDED ME, I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE RECHARGE WELLS AND, BUT ABOUT THE LOOMING POTENTIAL PROMISE WITH THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION ON THE USE OF OF WATER. 
          DO WE HAVE A STATUS OF WHERE THAT MIGHT BE AND HOW THAT PLAYS INTO THE MIX HERE? SO WE DID RECENTLY HAVE, UM, GET AN UPDATE FROM THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION WHEN WE PUT THE CIP TOGETHER AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT INVESTMENT IN THE IRRIGATION INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, THE WELLS WE HAD NOT HEARD FROM YANN 
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IN SOME TIME. 
          AND THIS HAS BEEN A MULTI-YEAR EFFORT. 
          THIS MOST RECENT UPDATE WAS EXTREMELY PROMISING. 
          SO I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT THE, THE INJECTION WELLS AREN'T GONNA BE NECESSARY. 
          WE WILL NOT KNOW THAT IMMEDIATELY. 
          UM, BUT WE SHOULD KNOW THAT I'D SAY WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO. 
          SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR PROBABLY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THEIR TIMELINE WAS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY COULD ACTUALLY TAKE THE WATER MM-HMM. 
           FROM THE CITY. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE TIGHT, UM, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE WE WILL NEED THIS OR CONTINUE THE, THE IRRIGATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL A GREAT CONVERSATION THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT, THAT THESE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY. 
          WE TALK ABOUT WORKING REGIONALLY AND BEING COOPERATIVE WITH OUR OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PROJECT THAT COULD HELP RELIEVE US SOME LONG-TERM CAPITAL COSTS. 
          AND SO THAT'S GREAT THAT IT'S ON EVERYONE'S RADAR AND PERHAPS MAKING SOME PROGRESS. 
          THANK YOU, JESSICA. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY FROM WHAT YOU SAID AND FROM WHAT ROXANNE SAID IS WHETHER OR NOT THE YANN WORKS OUT OR THE RECHARGING WELLS WORK OUT, IT'S A GOOD TWO YEARS, TWO TO FIVE YEARS BEFORE ANYTHING WILL BE DONE OUT THERE THAT WILL PERMIT ITS REUSE. 
          SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PRIORITY NOW, REUSING THE DAMAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, NO, I'M GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          I ALREADY YIELDED. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANNA BE SURE. 
          OKAY, ROXANNE, SO WE GO BACK TO YOU ALL. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. 
          DON'T. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE BACK AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. 
          WHAT'S THAT? NOW WE'RE BACK AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. 
          I'M SHOCKED. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          NICE MAYOR. 
          GO AHEAD, ROXANNE. 
          I WONDERED IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE RECENT ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER REGARDING WASTEWATER? I DON'T,  I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR VICE MAYOR'S QUESTION. 
          UH, IF ROXANNE HAD ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE RECENT ARTICLE ON THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
          I MEAN, IT DID ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE CLOSING THE TREATMENT PLANT AND MOVING EVERYONE TO SOME KIND OF COMPOSTING SYSTEM ON THEIR OWN LAND. 
          AND THAT'S JUST REALLY NOT A FEASIBLE THING, AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE STATE WOULD SUPPORT. 
          CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE STATE OR A D Q AND WHAT THEIR REGULATIONS ARE AND HOW, HOW STRINGENT THEY ARE? AND IT'S NOT COMING FROM YOU? IT'S NOT COMING FROM US. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE ARE COMPLETELY REGULATED BY ADQ, WHICH DOES ALL THE RULE MAKING ON WATER QUALITY, UM, AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO, TO COMPLY WITH. 
          UM, AND ALSO IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW BIG OUR COLLECTION SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE. 
          SO, UM, AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST, YOU, UH, MUCH OF THE CITY WAS ON A, UM, SEPTICS AND THE STATE REQUIRED US TO MOVE THOSE PEOPLE OFF SEPTIC AND CONNECT THEM TO THE SEWER. 
          UM, THAT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S NO REALLY FORECASTING FOR THAT, BUT, UM, YEAH, EVERYTHING WE DO IS REGULATED BY ADQ, UH, WHICH ALSO COMES FROM THE EPA THERE, THEY'RE A DIVISION OF THE EPA. 
          SO DO WE BENCHMARK AGAINST OTHER, UH, CITIES IN THE STATE TO SEE HOW OUR COSTS ARE AS COMPARED TO OTHERS IN OUR RATES? UM, SO ON THE RATES, SO ON PAGE WW DASH THREE, UM, THERE ARE, UM, THE LARGER CITIES WITHIN THE PHOENIX METROPOLITAN AREA THAT, UM, THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE VALLEY CITY CONSORTIUM THAT PUT TOGETHER A LOT OF, UM, THINGS THAT THEY'RE BENCHMARKING. 
          UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEY ARE A LOT LARGER THAN US. 
          THEY'RE, UM, HAVE SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE. 
          THEY'RE NOT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DENSER, UM, MUNICIPALITIES. 
          SO, BUT IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WAS AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD FIND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF BENCHMARKING COMPARED, UM, TO SOMEONE. 
          SO, UM, THE, UM, BENCHMARK FOR THE, UH, VALLEY CITY'S CONSORTIUM FOR THE AVERAGE SEWER BILL WAS THE 50 61, AND THEN THEIR LOW FLOW SEWER BILL WAS THE 37 38. 
          SO WE ARE A LITTLE ABOVE THAT. 
          AND THAT WAS FOR THEIR FISCAL YEAR 21, UM, DATA. 
          SO VALLEY CITIES IS THE PHOENIX METRO AREA, HOW? RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S SCOTTSDALE AND GLENDALE AND CHANDLER AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S 
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THOSE LARGER CITIES, UM, DOWN THERE THAT, THAT HAVE ALL JOINED TOGETHER AND CREATED THIS CONSORTIUM TO SHARE DATA AMONGST THEMSELVES AND IT'S PUBLISHED ONLINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON, ROXANNE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NEXT UP IS PARKS AND RECREATION AND WE HAVE OUR NEW PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER HERE WITH US. 
          YOU BET. 
          GOSH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ON THE, UM, SUMMARY CHANGES, SO FOR THEIR DIRECT COSTS, THEY'RE GOING FROM ABOUT 900,000 TO ABOUT 1.1 MILLION. 
          UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE'S THE, UM, WAGE AND BENEFITS IS THE, THE LARGEST NUMBER THERE, BUT IT'S A COMBINATION OF, OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITEMS. THERE'S, UM, 95,000, UM, REFLECTED IN THAT INCREASE THERE. 
          IT INCLUDES, UM, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY REQUESTED. 
          THEY, THEY ALWAYS KIND OF REASSESS THEIR SEASONAL POSITIONS AND HOW MANY HOURS THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO NEED. 
          SO IT RESULTS IN A VERY MINOR CHANGE IN THE FTES. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY A CHANGE IN HOW THEY'RE HANDLING THE, THE SEASONAL, UM, STAFF. 
          UM, AND WITH THE LIFEGUARDS THERE'S NOW THIS BONUS PROGRAM AND ALL THESE THINGS. 
          SO, UM, SO THAT'S A BIG PART OF, UM, THAT NUMBER. 
          UM, ONE TIME COST INCREASING ABOUT 50,000, UM, AND SPECIAL EVENT COSTS GOING UP. 
          UM, NOT QUITE 42,000, WHICH IS PROBABLY JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO DO MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE. 
          YES. 
          DURING COVID THAT AS WELL. 
          DEFINITELY THAT AS WELL AS JUST COSTS IN GENERAL ARE INCREASING FOR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SUCH AS OUR CELEBRATION OF SPRING EVENT. 
          THE CARNIVAL THAT WE BROUGHT IN, UM, THE PREVIOUS YEAR WAS ABOUT 23,000. 
          AND THIS LAST YEAR FOR ABOUT THE SAME EXACT CARNIVAL COST, ABOUT 39,000. 
          WOW. 
          THIS IS LIKE A 16,000 INCREASE IN SERVICES LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO PREPPING FOR SOME OF THOSE KIND OF INCREASES WITH THE EVENTS THAT WE DO AS WELL. 
          SO, QUICK QUESTION ON THE EVENTS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION OF, UH, LOCAL RESIDENTS VERSUS PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY? DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF WAY OF MEASURING THAT? SO WE DO TRY TO DO THAT WITH SOME OF THOSE EVENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, THE CONCERTS IN THE PARK CELEBRATION OF SPRING WHERE IT'S JUST A MASS GATHERING, IT'S VERY HARD TO DO OTHER THAN THE SURVEYS THAT WE DO AT THE EVENTS. 
          UM, WITH THOSE, WE END UP TYPICALLY ABOUT 60 40 ON THE SURVEYS BEING RESIDENTS, 60% VISITORS, 40%. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AT LEAST ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT. 
          UM, AND THAT HAS BEEN A PUSH THAT WE'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING TO GET A LOT MORE SURVEYS. 
          IN THE PAST WE'VE GOTTEN FIVE OR SIX FROM AN EVENT, AND THIS YEAR WE'VE DONE A BIG PUSH WITH SIGNAGE AND PEOPLE GOING AROUND WITH AN IPAD TRYING TO GET SURVEYS AND HAVE BEEN GETTING CLOSER TO 60, 70 SURVEYS AFTER EACH ONE. 
          UM, SO SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS WITH LIKE THE REGISTRATIONS FOR YOUTH BASKETBALL OR WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, LIKE OUR TURKEY TROT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WE DO ASK LIKE A ZIP CODE ON THOSE TYPE OF REGISTRATIONS. 
          UM, SO WE DO GET FEEDBACK FROM THOSE AS WELL. 
          FOR OUR YOUTH PROGRAMS, WE ARE A BIT HIGHER, THAT WILL END UP ABOUT LIKE 70 30 WITH RESIDENTS. 
          UM, A LOT OF TIMES THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK DOES SHOW UP AS RESIDENTS IN THERE AS WELL, SO IT'S A LITTLE SKEWED IN THAT WAY, BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT PARTICIPATION IN THE POOL, WHICH I'VE JUST TO MENTION THAT YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THE POOL. 
          UH, IT'S, THANK YOU. 
          IT'S, IT'S A DRAMATIC, UH, THE PUBLIC IS FOR THE FIRST TIME VERY PLEASED WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. 
          BUT, UH, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF PARTICIPATION OF THIS IN CITY OR OUTSIDE OF THE CITY? WE DON'T REALLY, BECAUSE WE DON'T TAKE REGISTRATIONS FOR A LOT OF THINGS. 
          IT'S JUST THE DAY PASSES AS PEOPLE COME IN, IT'S $3, $2 FOR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          UM, THE ONLY ONE THAT WE DO REGISTRATIONS FOR IS SWIM LESSONS, UM, WHICH THAT'S AGAIN THE YOUTH POPULATION AND WE'RE STILL ABOUT THAT SAME, LIKE 70 30, UM, WITH RESIDENTS TO NON-RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAD LOOKED AT DOING FOR LIKE, THE RATES HAVING A CHEAPER RATE FOR RESIDENTS COMPARED TO NON-RESIDENTS. 
          THE DIFFICULTY IN THAT ENDS UP BEING THE, LIKE PROVING YOUR RESIDENCY WHEN YOU COME TO THE POOL TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT THERE ARE WORKABLE SOLUTIONS THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD APPROACH. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. 
          I, I JUST THINK YOU DO A TREMENDOUS JOB IN THE NUMBER OF OFFERINGS AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THE POOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ALSO THE SUMMER CAMPS, THE, THE RANGE IS REALLY EXCITING. 
          SO IT'S LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY AND I'M HOPING THAT THE, UH, THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET FILLED AND SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THEM AND DO MORE. 
          UH, HOW IS IT GOING SO FAR? VERY WELL. 
          UM, YEAH, SO LIKE YOU SAID, IN PREVIOUS SUMMERS WE DID SIX SUMMER CAMPS LAST SUMMER. 
          THIS SUMMER WE'RE DOING 14 SUMMER CAMPS, SO THERE'S 
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SEVERAL EACH WEEK. 
          EVERYTHING FROM THEATER CAMPS, SOCCER CAMP, FOOTBALL CAMPS, UM, ART CAMPS, YOGA CAMPS, ALL KINDS OF, ALL ACROSS THE SPECTRUM OF THINGS. 
          UM, THERE HAS BEEN, FOR THE SOCCER CAMP, NEXT WEEK WE HAVE 65 PARTICIPANTS REGISTERED, UM, AND THEN DOWN TO LIKE OUR LEGO STEM CAMP LAST WEEK WITH 13. 
          SO THERE'S A RANGE, UM, BUT ALSO A RANGE OF HOW MANY THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE FOR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          UM, BUT THEY HAVE ALL BEEN VERY WELL PARTICIPATED IN, CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING A CARDINALS PRO YES. 
           FOOTBALL GAME. 
          THAT'S AN EXCITING ONE TOO. 
          YES, IT'S VERY EXCITING AND YOU HAVE A REALLY SMALL STAFF, SO KUDOS TO YOU. 
          VERY PRODUCTIVE. 
          VERY PRODUCTIVE. 
          SO COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, KEEP ON GOING, BRIAN. 
          YEP. 
          UM, IN THE REVENUES, WHERE IS THE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SPECIFIC LINE AMOUNT. 
          UM, SO HOW MUCH DOES COME IN FOR, UH, POOL FEES, UH, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING AND SWIMMING AT THE POOL? THAT WAS A ITEM FROM THE CITIZEN BUDGET GROUP THIS MORNING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHY DON'T WE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT FREE FOR RESIDENTS? HOW, HOW MUCH REVENUE ARE WE BRINGING IN ON THAT? YES. 
          UM, IN TOTAL, EVERYTHING I WANNA SAY FOR THE POOL WAS, WAS, UM, UNDER 50,000. 
          UH, BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING LIKE JUST OPEN SWIM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I CAN SEE, UM, WHAT I HAVE. 
          I KNOW JUST DOING OUR LIKE DAILY DEPOSITS FOR THIS SUMMER, WE'RE TYPICALLY AROUND LIKE 130 A DAY OF CASH THAT WE END UP WITH CASH AND CREDIT CARDS FOR THOSE DATE, FOR THE OPEN SWIM, LAP SWIM TYPE OF THINGS. 
          JUST FROM THOSE TWO AND $3 FEES. 
          UM, SWIM LESSONS IS LIKE $35 FOR A TWO WEEK SESSION. 
          SO WE'VE MAXED OUT ALL OF OUR SWIM LESSONS AND HAVE OFFERED MORE AND DOING PRIVATE LESSONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE ALL THE DEMAND FOR IT. 
          UM, SO THE SWIM LESSONS BRINGS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S $35 A CHUNK. 
          UM, BUT THE, FROM THE TWO TO $3, WE'RE ENDING UP ABOUT 130 A DAY AS AN AVERAGE. 
          WE, WE HAVE ESTIMATED ABOUT 14,000 FOR THE SEASON FOR THE DAILY SWIM. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE RESIDENCE AND ANYONE WHO'S NOT RESIDENT, YES. 
          BUT THE PROB I'M GUESSING THE LION'S SHARE IS RESIDENCE IN THAT NUMBER. 
          YOU SAID $14,000 FROM DAILY USE FEES DURING THE SUMMER SEASON? THAT, THAT, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE, ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN MAKING IT FREE FOR RESIDENTS OR, NO, I MEAN THAT'S A, A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF REVENUE. 
          THE SUGGESTION FROM THE WORK GROUP WAS THAT PEOPLE COULD JUST SHOW THEIR ID, THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE FOR AN ID THAT SHOWS THAT THEY LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          I'D LIKE SOME COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF AS TO, UH, YOUR OPINION. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK I WOULD JUST LOOK TO JOSH TO, TO SEE, I, I CAN SEE ARGUMENTS FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE THAT HAPPENS TO REFLECT THEIR SEDONA ADDRESS AND, BUT YES, I'M A RESIDENT AND OR THE, JUST THAT ADMINISTRATION OF THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN RESIDENT AND NON-RESIDENT AS THEY COME IN, WE DON'T DO THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THAT'S A NEW, NOT TO SAY IT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND HOW IT WOULD BE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          JESSICA? YEAH, UH, I, MY PERSONAL FEELING FROM HAVING BEEN A SERVICE WORKER AT A REGISTRATION DESK WHERE WE HAD BOTH MEMBERS LOCALLY AND NON-MEMBERS WAS THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY THERE WERE ARGUMENTS ABOUT, I SHOWED YOU MY, YOU KNOW, ME, I GAVE YOU MY CARD YESTERDAY, I, YOU KNOW ME, WHY DO I HAVE TO SHOW YOU MY CARD? NOW ALL I'M SAYING IS I, I MYSELF DO NOT MINIMIZE THOSE CONFLICTS. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DO REGISTRATION FOR VOTERS, YEAH, I'VE LIVED HERE SIX MONTHS, BUT I HAVEN'T GOT MY NEW DRIVER'S LICENSE YET. 
          IT'S STILL FROM MONTANA, BUT, BUT I LIVE HERE AND I MEAN KAREN IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          CERTAINLY WE COULD DO IT, BUT I JUST WONDER WHETHER THE ADDED ANGST FOR POOL STAFF IS WORTH $2, WHICH IS LIKE NOTHING. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING OUT, KATHY AND PETE. 
          UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDED TIME AND EFFORT INTO DOING THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A HIGH PROPORTION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PART-TIME RESIDENTS. 
          UM, THEY'RE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT PERMANENT RESIDENTS. 
          BUT IF THEY LIVE HERE ONE DAY, LESS THAN SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A STAKE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
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SO I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH IT TO IMPLEMENT THE SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA HAVE A MULTITUDE OF HEADACHES. 
          I REMEMBER ONE TIME WHEN I FIRST, UM, HAD MOVED TO DUCHESS COUNTY NEW YORK AND THERE WAS A COUNTY PARK THAT I HAD TO BE A RESIDENT TO USE AND I HAD TO BRING THE DEED CONTRACT FOR MY HOUSE BECAUSE I HAD NOT YET HAD EVERYTHING ESTABLISHED. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST BE CAREFUL WHAT WE ASK FOR, UM, IN TERMS OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT WE ALWAYS ARE FOND OF SAYING, UH, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF RESIDENTS GETTING A BREAK. 
          I, I REALLY DO VERSUS THE PUBLIC, BUT I JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT MAY ACTUALLY HURT THE RESIDENTS IN THE LONG TERM IN TERMS OF CITY SPENDING. 
          SO SOMETHING KEEP IN MIND, PETE COUNSELOR DONE HAD HER HAND THAT WAY BEFORE. 
          OH, BEFORE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YOU JUST CAN'T, YOU JUST CAN'T SEE BEHIND YOU. 
          I CAN'T, MY NECK IS NOT DOING TOO WELL TODAY, SO I, THANK YOU. 
          CAN'T SEE. 
          SO, SO, UM, I GET IT AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE AWESOME, BUT IT'S $14,000 A YEAR AND WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, WHICH WAS BACK IN THE JURASSIC AGE, I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PUBLIC POOL AND IF YOU WERE A RESIDENT YOU GOT A DISCOUNT, BUT YOU HAD TO GET THESE LITTLE METAL STICKERS OR BADGES AND THEY HAD TO BE LIKE SEWN ONTO YOUR SUIT BECAUSE KIDS, KIDS GET DROPPED OFF AND THEY DON'T HAVE DRIVER'S LICENSES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, NOW I HAVE TO LIKE WAIT IN LINE AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE MY KIDS TO THE POOL, SO I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS, UM, ARDUOUS BURDEN ALSO ON PARENTS WHO ARE SORT OF SEEING SOME OF THE PARK PROGRAMS, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LIKE BABYSITTERS SO THAT THEY CAN GO GROCERY SHOPPING OR WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE GONNA DO. 
          CUZ THEY'RE ASSUMING THE LIFEGUARD WILL MAKE SURE THEIR KID DOESN'T DROWN. 
          SO I THINK ANY PROGRAM WE PUT IN PLACE IS GOING TO BE, UM, HAS TO BE ADMINISTERED. 
          YOU MAY HAVE TO BUY THINGS LIKE TOKENS. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE BEING DROPPED OFF. 
          YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE IMPAIRED AND ARE BEING DROPPED OFF MAYBE BY, YOU KNOW, VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS TO COME TO SOME PROGRAM. 
          THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T DRIVE, THEY DON'T HAVE DRIVERS. 
          WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT, YOU'RE GONNA TELL 'EM THEY HAVE TO GO GET A STATE NON DRIVER'S IDENTITY IN ORDER TO USE THE POOL. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK I, I LOVE OUR AMENITIES. 
          I THINK IT'S GREAT. 
          I I UNDERSTAND WANTING TO MAKE IT, BUT IT'S TWO OR $3. 
          IT'S $14,000. 
          WOW. 
          I THINK IT WOULD COST US 400 TIMES THAT PROBABLY BETWEEN ANXIETY, ANGST MAINTENANCE, UH, PURCHASE COSTS, SO AND SO ON. 
          SO BRIAN, SO HOW MUCH DO WE CHARGE FOR USING THE SPLASH PAD AT SUNSET PARK? NOTHING. 
          ZERO. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE SIGNS UP THAT SAY FOR RESIDENTS ONLY. 
          I DON'T THINK DO IT. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THE FRICTION IS SIGNIFICANT AND I DON'T DISCOUNT THE FRICTION THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, SO I GET THAT. 
          SO JUST DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          FIRST OF, FIRST OF ALL WHERE THE SITUATION WHERE THE POOL IS RUNNING THE BEST THAT I'VE EVER SEEN UHHUH. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO FIX WHAT'S NOT REALLY BROKEN AND YES, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I THINK THE SPLASH PAD IS NOT A GOOD COMPARISON BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DROWN THERE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF, THEY DON'T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS REQUIRED TO RUN ACTUALLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S POOL, THERE'S A LOT INVOLVED WITH THE POOL DIS THE POOL ITSELF. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE LOOK AT IT IN THE FUTURE, BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T WANNA BREAK WHAT'S ALREADY WORKING WELL. 
          SO I, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT ANYTHING UNLESS JOSH TURNS AROUND AND SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, HE'LL GO TO KAREN AND HAVE TO DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WOULD RATHER GO WITH WHAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING GREAT AND NOT, I DON'T WANNA CHANGE THAT. 
          I THINK. 
          JESSICA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD? NO, I JUST, AND MAN, BROTHER  MAYOR. 
          OKAY, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          YOU KNOW, I, IT IT ALSO THEN BEGS A PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION ABOUT COST RECOVERY, SORT OF WHAT'S OUR GOAL, WHAT'S OUR POLICY ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT FOR COST RECOVERY FOR THESE KIND OF SERVICES. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION TO HAVE AND TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE MIGHT BE AND WHERE WE SHOULD BE. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M VERY COGNIZANT OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKE SKILLS PARK, WHICH THE USERS PUT IN A LOT OF THEIR OWN SWEAT EQUITY. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND AT THE POOL WE DO LIFEGUARDING, THE VOLUNTEER, YOU KNOW, THEY DO A, THEY GET A LITTLE BENEFIT AND THEY, THEY DO A LITTLE SERVICE. 
          WE GOT THE DISC GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION OR LOT, RIGHT? THE USERS. 
          SO THERE'S A BALANCE HERE. 
          OUR TRAIL USERS, THE CITY DOESN'T ACTUALLY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AS WE HEARD ON THE TRAILS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE. 
          SO THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION REALLY TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU DECIDE IF YOU'RE GONNA WAIVE FEES OR NOT. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE, THINK ABOUT EQUITY ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING AND, 
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AND, AND WHAT THAT COST RECOVERY PHILOSOPHY WANTS TO BE FOR A CITY AND, AND WHAT, WHAT SKIN IN THE GAME MEANS FOR EVERYBODY. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I'M NOT HEARING REALLY OH, FACE NOW. 
          UH, CHANGING SUBJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M NOT REALLY HEARING ANY CONSENSUS, UH, TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          SO LET'S MOVE ON. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR, YOU WANT TO CHANGE TOPICS? YES. 
          JOSH, IF YOU HAD ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR VISION? YOU KNOW, IF MONEY WAS NOT AN ISSUE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? WOW, BIG QUESTION. 
          UM, I'D LOVE TO JUST CONTINUE EXPANDING OUR PROGRAMS AND OFFERINGS, WHETHER THAT'S OUR ADULT SPORTS, OUR YOUTH THINGS. 
          THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS WE CAN GROW. 
          UM, HAVING A POOL FACILITY OF OUR OWN WOULD BE A BIG MONEY DREAM OUT THERE. 
          THAT COULD BE A YEAR ROUND, INDOOR OUTDOOR TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF FINANCIAL THINGS BEHIND THAT. 
          BUT HAVING A POOL THAT ISN'T OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT WE CAN MAKE UP UPGRADES TO AND ARE WILLING TO PUT CAPITAL INVESTMENTS IN AND BE ABLE TO RETURN ON THAT, HAVING IT BE OUR OWN PROB OUR OWN, UM, FACILITY WOULD BE A GREAT THING. 
          UM, GETTING, CONTINUING TO BETTER POSSE GROUNDS PARK. 
          SO IT'S REALLY THE MAIN FOCUS OF OUR TOWN THAT PEOPLE BLOSSOM TO, POSSE GROUNDS PARK. 
          IT'S A GREAT AREA, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF PLACES IN IT THAT COULD USE IMPROVEMENT AS WELL AND BE MORE FUNCTIONAL TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STUDY ON POSSE GROUNDS PARK THAT WAS PUT ON THE BACK BURNER? YEAH, IT WAS PUT ON THE BACK BURNER A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, IT IS STILL OUT THERE IN PART OF OUR PICKLEBALL COURT DESIGN AND WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THE PROPOSALS FOR THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT IS STILL A PROJECT THAT'S OUT THERE AND SOMETHING WE'RE MODIFYING, FINDING HOW WE CAN MAKE IT BEST SUIT THE NEEDS OF OUR USERS NOW. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO AN IDEA OF BRINGING BACK THE REDESIGN OF POSSE GROUNDS PARK? I CAN MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT. 
          CAUSE I THINK THIS PREDATES JOSH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, NOT JUST AS THE MANAGER, BUT EVEN YES. 
          UM, ON STAFF. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT A WELL DONE EFFORT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THAT'S WHAT I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY. 
          UM, AND AS A RESULT, I DIDN'T FEEL CONFIDENT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE IN IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND I FELT LIKE THERE WAS A LOT MORE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WOULD'VE NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          IT WAS DRIVEN BY A FEW SPECIAL INTERESTS. 
          YES. 
          THAT AND THOSE NEEDS. 
          THEY, THEY DO CHANGE OVER TIME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IT SEEMED MORE REASONABLE TO EMBRACE SOMETHING LIKE PICKLEBALL, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THAT IN THE BEST WAY, WHICH IS WHY AT THE NEXT WOR UH, NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, YOU'LL ALL SEE HERE ARE THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS THIS, AND, AND DO IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK, WHILE I THINK THERE IS VALUE IN SORT OF LOOKING LONGER TERM, THE NEEDS CHANGE SO QUICKLY THAT IT'S HARD TO COMMIT AND, AND REALLY HAVE THAT PLAY OUT IN A WAY. 
          UM, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I, I SHARE THE BIG PICTURE VISION OF A COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          IT IS HIGH ON MY PRIORITY LIST, ALTHOUGH I KNOW WE HAVE TOO MANY PRIORITIES. 
           FOR THE FUTURE, FOR THE FUTURE SOMETHING FAN NEED TO WORK ON. 
          I HAVE ONE, JESSICA, YOU KNOW, I WANNA THANK YOU. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, UM, THE POSSE, GROUND PARKS AND RECS IS, IS FINALLY AFTER I THINK A LOT OF YEARS BECOMING, UM, A COMMUNITY CENTER IN A WAY. 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FOCUS ON PROGRAMMING AND EXPANDING COMMUNITY OPPORTUNITIES. 
          WE HEARD FROM THE LIBRARY ON THE SAME THING. 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY I'M IN LINE WITH YOUR, WITH THAT DIRECTION, WHICH IS FOCUSED ON, ON COMMUNITY AND PROVIDING. 
          UM, AND I EXPECT YOU AND THE LIBRARY COULD MAYBE DO SOME COLLABORATIVE STUFF CUZ I KNOW JUDY IS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT CAN BE DONE LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THIS WEEK WE ARE CURRENTLY COLLABORATING WITH THE LIBRARY ON OUR CAMP. 
          THAT'S OF THE SUMMER CAMP. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IS THROUGH THE ARIZONA SCIENCE CENTER. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S THE LIBRARY AND US BOTH KINDA WORKING ON IT AND BRINGING THEM BACK FOR A SECOND WEEK IN JULY AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          BUT GREAT. 
          I JUST WANTED, THERE'S STILL A LOT MORE, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THINK THAT'S A DIRECTION WHICH, WHICH I THINK IT'S FINALLY, I THINK IT'S FINALLY BURIED FRUIT. 
          BLESS YOU. 
          IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALSO CANELLA. 
          UM, JUST TO COMPLIMENT, I JUST NOTICED THE NEW SIGNAGE, AT LEAST NEW TO ME SIGNAGE, UH, AT THE VARIOUS POINTS 
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WHERE YOU ENTER INTO THE EXPANSE OF POSSE GROUNDS PARK. 
          AND I FOUND THEM NOT ONLY INFORMATIVE, BUT THEY WERE INVITING. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU, I, I WANT IT TO STOP AND READ IT AND I KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT PARK. 
          LIKE I KNOW THE BACK OF MY HAND, BUT IT WAS JUST REALLY PLEASANT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. 
          ANDY, ARE THOSE SIGNS COMING FROM OUR SIGN SHOP OR ARE THOSE COMING FROM A VENDOR? UH, IT, IT, OH YOU, I THINK IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE WE STARTED MAKING SIGNS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF I'M REMEMBERING RIGHT, YES. 
          BUT THERE ARE SOME MORE SIGNS TO COME, LIKE WE'RE UPDATING THE SKATE PARK SIGNS, SOME OF THE SOFTBALL FIELD SIGNS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT RYAN IS DOING THROUGH THE SIGN SHOP. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. 
          SO YEAH, I THINK RIGHT AFTER WE GENERATED THOSE SIGNS THROUGH A VENDOR, WE STARTED MAKING OUR OWN SIGNS. 
          SO WE ARE GENERATING SIGNS NOW AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT BEGINNING, OUR SIGNS ARE VERY CLASSY, VERY NICE LOOKING, SO MM-HMM. 
          , IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. 
          ALONG WITH THE SIGN SHOP, WE'RE ACTUALLY DESIGNING OUR OWN SIGNS AS WELL. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S PRETTY COOL. 
          WE GET A LOT MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          UH, NOW THAT WE'VE ACCELERATED THE BUILD OUT OF THE RANGER BREWER PARK, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE, CAN YOU COME BACK TO US WITH YOUR VISION ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD BE USED AND WHAT TYPE OF PROGRAMS YOU THINK WOULD BEST BE SUITED? I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE OD AND SOME YEARS AGO, BUT AS YOU POINT OUT, KAREN, THINGS CHANGE AND SO, UH, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR THE THINKING ABOUT THAT VENUE. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING A GOOD AMOUNT OF WORK INTO THE PLANNING FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO YES, WE'D LOVE TO GET THAT TOGETHER AND DEMONSTRATE IT TO ALL OF YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          SO ONE THING THAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE IS GONNA BE THE DESIGN CONTRACT FOR THE INSIDE PORTION OF THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          SO WHILE THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE, I FORGET THE ACTUAL BUDGET ON THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT WHETHER THAT MEETS THE THRESHOLD OR NOT, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND PRESENT THAT CONTRACT. 
          KATHY, HOW FAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE ARE WE ON RANGER PARK AND DO WE ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO GET MORE ACCELERATION? SO WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING SOME OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS NOW. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY WERE IN LINE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON, BUT IN THE REVISED LINE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN LINE WITH THE REVISED BECAUSE THAT WAS EXPEDITED FROM THE ORIGINAL FOR THE MOST, FOR THE MOST PART. 
          ONE THING THAT DID FALL BEHIND THOUGH WAS THE INTERNAL, UH, IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH JUST OUR ARCHITECTS WERE SO BUSY AND THAT'S SUCH A SPECIALIZED AREA, THAT ARCHITECTURAL FIELD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE RELIANT ON JUST A, A FEW CONSULTANTS TO DO THAT WORK AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET ON THEIR, ON THEIR SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, UH, THE LAST, UM, TIME I WAS UPDATED ON THAT, WE SHOULD BE STARTING, UM, THIS SUMMER ON THAT DESIGN. 
          SO AS FAR AS COMING BACK WITH A CONTRACT FOR THAT, IT SHOULD BE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I DID KIND OF MOVE FORWARD THROUGH SOME OF THE PARKS AND REC SLIDES. 
          SURE. 
          UM, SO, UH, OH, GOING, GOING BACK, SO THE, UM, CHANGE IN THE BUDGET FOR PARKS AND REC, 20% IN TOTAL, 15% IN THE ONGOING COST AND AS JOSH MENTIONED, UM, INFLATION AND TRYING TO GET, UH, MORE OF THOSE EVENTS AND STUFF IS A BIG PART OF THAT. 
          AS FAR AS THE, UM, ONE TIME COST. 
          UM, SO TOTAL OF ABOUT 60,000, SOME OF IT IS, UM, PARKS AND REC RELOCATED TO, UM, THE FORMER, UM, SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMIN SITE. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S THE LEASE FOR THAT. 
          THEY ARE ASKING FOR A UTILITY VEHICLE WITH A TRAILER AS A REPLACEMENT FOR A VEHICLE THAT THEY HAVE, UM, AND SOME OTHER, UM, RECREATION EQUIPMENT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO ON THE C I P PROJECTS, CHERRY BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THAT, JUST THE COURSE? YES. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'M NOT SEEING THERE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. 
          YEAH, WE SEE THE POLICE, UH, REPORTS, UH, HOPEFULLY TWICE A DAY, SOMETIMES ONCE. 
          BUT, UM, I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT VANDALISM AND HOW MUCH THAT COSTS US. 
          AND I SEE LOCKS BROKEN, DAWNS BROKEN MIRRORS, BROKEN OCCASIONALLY, GRAFFITI. 
          IS THERE ANY KIND OF A, UH, COST ATTACHED TO THAT EITHER THROUGH JOSH OR SHERRY, KAREN THAT WOULD BE THE PUBLIC WORKS SIDE OF IT. 
          WOULD THE PARKS MAINTENANCE? YEAH, AND WE, I WAS 
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JUST THINKING THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A METRIC FOR THAT, BUT WE VERY EASILY COULD ESTABLISH THAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE TELLING FOR US, KAREN, AND, AND IT HAS BECOME AN INCREASE RIGHT. 
          ISSUE. 
          I MEAN IT, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE HAD NOTHING RARE, RARELY HAD ISSUES. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL CAMERA INSTALLATION, YOU KNOW, TRY TO PREVENTATIVE TYPE THINGS THAT ARE IN, IN PROCESS AT THIS POINT AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK HAVING THE METRIC AND HAVE SOMETHING THO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TIED TO OUTCOMES, ARE THEY WORKING, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY HELPING, IS UH, WOULD BE USEFUL? WOULD THAT BE IN PUBLIC WORKS IN THE FUTURE OR WOULD IT BE TIED TO THESE REPORTS? SO WE ASSOCIATE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE PART OF THE PARKS MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          JUST SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE, I, I'M SEEING BETWEEN PARKS AND REC DAMAGE AND EVEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH AT THE HIGH SCHOOL THERE'S A LOT OF DAMAGE THERE, WHICH IS NOT ON OUR BUDGET, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE PROGRESSING. 
          UH, IT'S VERY CONCERNING TO ME. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          OKAY, SO ON THE C I P PROJECTS, SO, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL THAT ARE CARRYOVER PROJECTS AND THEN A COUPLE THAT ARE, UM, WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE PROJECT CATEGORY. 
          SO NOTHING THAT'S, UM, ON THE LIST IS LIKE A NEW PROJECT STARTING IN 24. 
          UM, I'LL JUST, UM, CARRY OVER. 
          UM, BUT I, I DID WANNA POINT OUT, CUZ I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CREEKSIDE, UM, PROJECT, SO PR 10, UM, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS, UM, UH, DISCUSSED IN THE COUNCIL RETREAT THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING WITH THAT. 
          SO, AND IF, IF I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT. 
          UM, SO WE DID ORIGINALLY HAD THE 2.5 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 24, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS PROBABLY A LOW NUMBER, UH, IF, IF WE'RE DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY AND THE LOCATION AND THE SIZE AND SO FORTH. 
          AND IT ENDED UP PUSHED TO FY 25 AND KEPT AT THE 2.5 MILLION TO KEEP THE BUDGET DOWN. 
          SO ONE OF THE INSTRUCTIONS OR DIRECTION FROM THE RETREAT IN JANUARY WAS THAT WE WANTED TO SEE THE BUDGET COME IN SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER, UH, THIS YEAR THAN IN THE OR FOR FY 24 THAN THE CURRENT YEAR. 
          AND THE C I P AS YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED TODAY, IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT. 
          SO THAT WAS IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE, THE BUDGET DOWN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF, IF COUNSEL WANTS TO ADD FUNDS TO FY 24 AND HAVE A LARGER DOLLAR AMOUNT AS A JUST IN CASE, THEN THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE FOR SURE. 
          JESSICA, REMIND ME WHAT THE DOG PARK IMPROVEMENT IS THE 55,000. 
          SO AS I RECALL, THAT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, IT WAS THE GRASS INSTALLATION IF WE WERE TO COME BACK WITH THE GRASS INSTALLATION. 
          SO, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING THAT I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO COUNCIL ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AND MAYBE GET SOME DIRECTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA FINISH THE CREEKSIDE CONVERSATION FIRST. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          TO FINISH THE CREEKSIDE CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IS THERE ANY PROPERTY THAT ANYBODY HAS IDENTIFIED? NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF, NO. 
          WAS THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO THE ART CENTER ACQUIRED? I THINK IT WAS RIGHT. 
          I HAVE NOT GONE AND CHECKED ANY OF THE OWNERSHIP RECORDS. 
          THAT WAS WAY, WAY MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BY THE WAY. 
          YES, IT WAS , YES IT WAS. 
          UM, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS ACQUIRED BRIAN. 
          I MEAN, I'D STILL LIKE TO HAVE THE, THE OPTION AVAILABLE TO US, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LOW PROBABILITY IN FISCAL 24. 
          SO I WOULD CERTAINLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF PULLING THAT TWO AND A HALF FORWARD TO FISCAL 24, EVEN THOUGH AGAIN, IT'S LOW PROBABILITY OF, OF BEING, UH, EXPENDED, WHICH WOULD ADD TO THE UN UN UNFULFILLED CAPITAL OBLIGA, UH, NON OBLIGATION WITHOUT SPENDING. 
          SO THIS IS THE REAL LIFE WAY THAT HAPPENS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MELISSA, CAN I CHANGE TOPICS NOW? NOT YET. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THEN, THEN ON, ON THE CREEK SIDE, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT BY PULLING IT IN, WE'RE ALSO ASKING STAFF TO START LOOKING AND MAKING SURE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S PROPERTIES AVAILABLE OR YOU JUST WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY TAPS YOU ON THE SHOULDER AND SAYS, WE THINK THERE'S PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT IN JANUARY, 
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IT WAS THE LATTER THAT IF AN OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED ITSELF, UH, THEN, THEN WE MIGHT SEIZE THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING WHERE STAFF WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO GO TRY TO FIND AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD TIE BRIAN TIE MONEY TO THIS PROJECT IN HOPES OF SOMETHING, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASSIGN ANY STAFF TO IT AT ALL. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'S ALONG THE EXACT SAME LINES THAT WHAT KAREN JUST SAID, THAT THAT'S MY EXPECTATION IS THAT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ALL AGREED TO IN JANUARY AND JUST KEEPING THE MONEY AS A PLACEHOLDER IN 24 BETTER TO HAVE IT THERE IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS. 
          BUT, UM, I, I DON'T SEE THE PROBABILITY OF IT HAPPENING AT ALL. 
          BUT VICE I, I, I DON'T SUPPORT IT. 
          I DON'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT JUST, IT INFLATES THE BUDGET. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'RE PUTTING MONEY IN THAT I'M, THE LIKELIHOOD IS SO LOW THAT THE, THERE WOULD BE A TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PARCEL AVAILABLE AND ON THE CREEK. 
          ON THE CREEK RIGHT. 
          WHEN WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT'S ON THE CREEK AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO I, I DON'T, I, I DON'T SUPPORT IT. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY AND SOMETHING ACTUALLY DID COME UP IN THAT ARENA. 
          WE'D HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE I, I GUESS EVERYTHING I, I WISH KURT WAS IN HERE, BUT KAREN, YOU CAN PROBABLY ANSWER IT. 
          I MEAN, LET'S JUST SAY WE LEAVE THINGS AS IS AND IT'S FIVE MONTHS FROM NOW AND A PROPERTY DOES COME UP AVAILABLE AND IT'S A 18 MILLION ASKING PRICE, AND WE ALL GET WEAK NEED AND THINK WE GOTTA HAVE IT. 
          UM, CAN WE NOT ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT INVOLVES, YOU KNOW, NO CASH CHANGING HANDS UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR WHEN WE APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR IT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS WILLING TO STRUCTURE A PURCHASE CONTRACT THAT WAY. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S MOVE ON. 
          I AGREE WITH, I JUST WANNA SAY I AGREE WITH HOLLY. 
          YEAH, NO, SO DO I AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO INFLATE BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          FINE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, OKAY, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GRASS NOW? YES. 
          YES. 
          SO WE MOVED TO THE DOG PARK. 
          RIGHT? I LOVE THAT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO AS YOU KNOW, WE DID INSTALL THE SAND SURFACE IN THE EXPANDED AREA. 
          WE'VE HAD PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AND CONSISTENT POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT IT. 
          WE DID COMMIT PER COUNCIL DIRECTION TO ALLOW YI HOUR TO CONTINUE ON THE BALL FIELD UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE CONVERTED THAT SAND TO GRASS. 
          SO, UM, THE GREYHOUNDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN RELOCATED. 
          THEY SEEM TO BE VERY HAPPY WITH THE NEW, NOT A COMPLAINT AREA HAPPY. 
          AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT HAS BEEN WELL RECEIVED DOES SEEM FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE TO STAY IN BETTER ORDER THAN, UH, WE KNOW A GRASS FIELD WOULD BECAUSE THE GRASS FIELD WOULD NOT BE MAINTAINED TO A BALLPARK STANDARD. 
          UM, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS FINISH A PROJECT WE'RE DOING NOW, WHICH IS TO INSTALL SHADE OVER THE SAND, UNDERSTANDING THAT IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER MM-HMM. 
          , UH, IT MAY NOT PERFORM AS WELL AS IT HAS BEEN WITH THE SHADE. 
          WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT MAKES IT MORE USABLE FOR ALL 12 MONTHS OF THE YEAR. 
          AND ONCE THAT SHADE IS INSTALLED, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME TESTS WHERE WE CLOSE THE BALL FIELD YAPPY HOUR AND WE DO RELOCATE IT MM-HMM. 
           TO THE, THE NEW AREA AND, AND SEE HOW IT WORKS BEFORE WE MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO JUMP INTO GRASS. 
          RIGHT. 
          COMMENTS? I KNOW, MELISSA, YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT I WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD SEE WHETHER WHAT WE HAVE NOW WITH SHADE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE BURNING ANY PAUSE MM-HMM. 
          , UM, DURING THE SUMMER, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WORKS. 
          I THINK, I THINK GRASS IN OUR ENVIRONMENT IS GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF WATER WHERE WE'VE SAID AS A CITY WANNA REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE'RE USING, WHERE I'D RATHER USE THAT WATER AT THE SPLASH PAD OR SPLASH DOWN OR WHATEVER IT IS THAN, UM, THAN HONESTLY, UH, IN THE DOG PARK WHERE I, IT WILL NOT BE WELL MAINTAINED AND DOGS WILL ABUSE IT. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, JUST BY BEING DOGS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANTED TO SAY. 
          I I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE. 
          UH, AND AGREE. 
          I AGREE WITH, UH, KAREN'S, UH, UH, PROPOSAL. 
          I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY 
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SUPPORTIVE OF THE DOGS AND THE EXPANDING OUT THE DOG PARK. 
          I CAN'T GET PAST THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THE GRASS. 
          AND I THINK IT'S AN, IT'S A BAD EXPECTATION FROM THE PUBLIC TO THINK, AND I'VE HEARD IT. 
          THEY THINK IT'S GOING, THE GRASS WOULD WOULD'VE BEEN MAINTAINED TO THE SAME LEVEL OF WHAT THEY HAVE ON A BALL FIELD. 
          AND THAT'S JUST, WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          IT COULDN'T BE THE CASE. 
          SO I DO SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE, UH, SUGGESTING. 
          KAREN, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IS SHA SHADE STRUCTURES SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE AT THE SLIDE PARK AT, UH, SLIDE PAD, THE WATER PAD OH, OVER AT SUNSET? YES. 
          IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          THE, THE SIZE REALLY IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE TINY LITTLE UMBRELLAS. 
          THEY'RE GOING, IT'S GONNA BE SUBSTANTIAL. 
          LIKE YOU NORMALLY DO A QUALITY RIGHT PIECE. 
          AND, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW WORKING ON SOME TEMPORARY STRUCTURES THAT'LL GO IN UNTIL OUR PERMANENT CAN COME IN RIGHT BEHIND THAT. 
          BUT THOSE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES WILL BE REUSABLE IN OTHER LOCATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YEAH. 
          THE SIZE, WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING A COUPLE OF LARGE SHADE STRUCTURES TO GO IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT SEATING? WOULD THERE BE YOU PROPOSE SEATING? OH, SEATING SEAT SEATING WITH THE NEW YORK ACCENT? YES. 
          SEATING . 
          YES. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO BRING IN, UM, SEATING IN THE AREA OF THE SHADE. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, NO, I, I GET THAT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I, I KNOW THAT THE VICE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION. 
          I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          I, THIS IS A ROLLERCOASTER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE PROMISE THE COMMUNITY, WE GO, WE, WE CHANGE OUR MIND. 
          WE PROMISED THE COMMUNITY, WE CHANGE OUR MIND. 
          I, I WOULD SUPPORT A TEST FOR SURE. 
          AND IF THE YAPPY HOUR FOLKS WERE, WERE COMFORTABLE, THAT WOULD BE FINE. 
          BUT IF THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE, HERE WE GO AGAIN. 
          AND, UH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE WATER. 
          WE DID SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T DO THIS UNLESS WE SAW A 20% DECREASE IN THE WATER USAGE. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE KNOW THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT, CUZ WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT IN A WHILE BECAUSE IT WAS DEPENDENT ON THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. 
          I THINK IT WAS DEPENDENT ON US CONVERTING THE GRASS FIELD AT BREWER ROAD TO A NON GRASS SURFACE. 
          SO BASICALLY EXCHANGING THE GRASS THAT EXISTS THERE FOR NEW GRASS AT THE DOG PARK. 
          AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING? WELL, IT'S PENDING LOOKING AT, SO WHETHER OR NOT WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHETHER WE COULD ACHIEVE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE WILL CONVERT THAT GRASS AT BREWER ROAD ANYWAY BECAUSE ITS, IT'S A WASTE OF WATER AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY UTILIZED FOR ANY PURPOSE THAT REQUIRES, EXPLICITLY REQUIRES GRASS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO, SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE 20%. 
          SO I'M GONNA JUST PUT THAT ASIDE FOR A SECOND. 
          I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH THE YAPPY HOUR FOLKS AND NOT JUST DO THIS WITHOUT ENGAGEMENT. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I, IF WE ENGAGE THE YI HOUR FOLKS, THEY DID BOTH HAPPEN. 
          AND WE SAY, YI HOUR FOLKS, ARE YOU OKAY WITH US NO LONGER PROVIDING YOU ON A, EVEN ON A TEST BASIS, THIS BALL FIELD? THEY'LL SAY NO, NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO IT IS, IF IF THE, IT IS THE COUNCIL'S INTENT TO MAKE ALL THE YAPPY HOUR FOLKS HAPPY, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THEM ON THE BALL FIELD, OR WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN GRASS INSTALL GRASS AT THE DOG PARK. 
          THAT'S WHAT, AND THE GRASS AT THE DOG PARK WILL NOT BE WHAT THEY WANT. 
          COULD I JUST ONE SEC. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S, LET'S, I I, I CAN'T SEE US AFTER HAVING MADE THAT COMMITMENT TO JUST DO IT WITHOUT ENGAGEMENT. 
          I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT ENGAGEMENT. 
          JESSICA WAS FIRST AND THEN KATHY. 
          WELL, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ON THIS SIDE. 
          SO , I'M JUST GONNA SAY, UM, I AGREE WITH KAREN. 
          IF YOU ENGAGE THOSE PEOPLE, IT WILL, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST GO AND INSTALL GRASS BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER BE HAPPY. 
          REALLY, IT'S, THEY WANT GRASS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, AND THEY WON'T LIKE THE GRASS AND THE MAINTENANCE OF IT WHEN IT'S DONE. 
          AND MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THE DECREASE IN THE WATER USAGE IS GREENWASHING. 
          HUH. 
          UM, WE COULD ALWAYS, IT'S, IT'S, ITS WHACKING 
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THE MOLE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO SAVE IT. 
          WHERE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE WERE GONNA NOT SAVE IT. 
          WE WERE GONNA NOT SPEND THAT WATER USE. 
          WE WERE GONNA NOT HAVE WATER USE THERE. 
          SO WE WERE, WE WERE GONNA STOP WATERING THERE ANYWAY. 
          SO JUST SAYING, OH, WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE THE SAME USAGE WHEN WE COULD SAVE THAT WATER. 
          WE WOULDN'T USE THAT WATER. 
          WHICH IS, IS ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN WATER USE RATHER THAN A MAINTENANCE OF WATER USE. 
          WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE HAVE DECIDED NOT TO WATER AN AREA. 
          OH. 
          AND NOW WE'LL JUST SORT OF LET OURSELVES SPEND THAT SAME AMOUNT OF, OF WATERING SOMEWHERE ELSE INSTEAD OF JUST OVERALL REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF WATER. 
          SO I'VE NEVER, I'VE, I'VE NEVER BELIEVED, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE DIRECT KAREN AND SHE WILL FIND A REASON, A WAY TO DO IT. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE, I ACTUALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S LEGITIMATE. 
          THAT'S JUST ME. 
          I'M NOT QUESTIONING ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL. 
          I'M JUST SAYING I, UM, SO IT'S REALLY A CHOICE AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE STATED IT VERY ACCURATELY. 
          DO WE GO AHEAD. 
          AND FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I UNDERSTAND, DO WHAT MAKES SENSE BOTH FOR THE DOG USERS AND FOR THE CITY AND FOR WATER, OR DO WE TRY AND PLEASE ALL OF THE GRASS PEOPLE? UM, I, AND I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION AND I THINK IT'S A VERY CLEAR CHOICE. 
          I I DO HAVE ONE CONCERN BECAUSE I BASICALLY SUPPORT WHAT KAREN SAID. 
          THE PARKING THERE IS INADEQUATE AS IT IS FOR THE DOG PARK. 
          UM, AND UNLESS I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE SIGNAGE, IF WE DO DO THIS, AND IN FACT WE MAY BE PROBABLY NEED SIGNAGE NOW, UH, DIRECTING PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY CAN PARK, UM, IF THE DOG PARK AREA IS FULL. 
          SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY YOU HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT AND YOU DIDN'T SUPPORT THIS, BUT WE DID AS A COUNCIL. 
          WE DID. 
          AND TO GO BACK NOW AFTER WE'VE GIVEN PEOPLE RELIANCE ON OUR VOTE, AND IT WAS THIS COUNCIL, IT WASN'T A PRIOR COUNCIL, IT WAS THIS COUNCIL WITHOUT TALKING TO THEM, I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, GOING BACK ON OUR WORD WITHOUT HAVING ANY DIALOGUE AND JUST MAKING IT A FE A COMPLETE, UH, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RECONSIDERATION. 
          I THINK WE'RE PAST THAT TIME, KATHY. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVE TO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR. 
          I'M, I'M WAS OUTTA THE ROOM FOR THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION, CAME BACK AND I FEEL LIKE I'M IN A, A TIME WARP OR I, I, I JUST, I, THIS IS A VERY DISTURBING CONVERSATION TO ME. 
          UM, IT'S NOT ABOUT TRYING TO PLEASE EVERYBODY. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND WE CAME TO DECISIONS ON HOW WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD IN RESPONSE TO PEOPLE'S CONCERNS. 
          TO SAY THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND DO SOMETHING AS A TEST WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THAT COMMUNITY IS RENEGING ON A PROMISE. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATION THAT I WANNA MAKE THAT WE NEGOTIATE. 
          THERE WERE, AND ALL SIDES WERE HEARD, PEOPLE WERE ON I ALL SIDES OF THE AGREEMENT. 
          WE HAVE I THINK THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT FACETS, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WASN'T VETTED, IT WAS VETTED. 
          A DECISION WAS MADE. 
          UM, THAT HAS TO HAVE VALUE. 
          THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO RELY ON US. 
          THAT WHEN, WHEN WE'VE COME TO SOME SORT OF A DECISION THAT WE WILL SEE IT THROUGH, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T REVISIT. 
          BUT YOU, WE CAN'T REVISIT WITHOUT INCLUDING THE PARTNERS AND THE STAKEHOLDERS BECAUSE WE CAME TO THE DECISION TOGETHER. 
          UM, I I, I CAN'T SUPPORT GOING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING WITHOUT HAVING A MEETING ON THAT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED. 
          UH, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A VERY GOOD RESPONSE TO THE SAND AND THE EXPANSION. 
          I THINK IT'S LOVELY. 
          I THINK IT WORKED BETTER THAN I EVER ANTICIPATED THAT IT WOULD. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          SO WHY CAN'T WE BE OPTIMISTIC THAT IF I FEEL THAT WAY, THAT OTHERS MIGHT FEEL THAT WAY? I DON'T WANNA BE, UM, I DON'T WANNA BE RELUCTANT TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. 
          ENGAGING THE PUBLIC IS OUR JOB, UH, FOR THESE PUBLIC SERVICES THAT WE OFFER. 
          SO I, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WE CAN'T PROCEED DOWN THIS PATH. 
          MS, MR. MAYOR, I JUST, JUST ONE SECOND. 
          I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND SOMETHING HERE BECAUSE IT'S, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT POINTS. 
          KAREN IS SUGGESTING GO THROUGH WITH A, A, A OUTREACH AND NOT SAYING NO TO GRASS, BUT LET'S TRY THE, UH, THE SAND, PUT THEM ON THE, ON THE SAND, SEE HOW THAT IS. 
          AND THEN IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE MOVE FORWARD 
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WITH THE GRASS. 
          YOU DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA? I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT. 
          I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT WITHOUT THE ENGAGEMENT AHEAD OF TIME OF THE USER STAKEHOLDER GROUPS. 
          MAYBE I CAN PROVIDE A CLARIFICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH PICKING A HANDFUL OF YPI HOUR DAYS AND RELOCATING YPI HOUR FOR THOSE HANDFUL OF DAYS OVER THE COURSE OF THE COMING MONTHS TO THE DOG PARK. 
          ONCE WE HAVE THE SHADE STRUCTURES IN PLACE, I THINK WHAT THE VICE MAYOR TOOK EXCEPTION TO WAS MAKING THE DECISION TO HAVE THESE TEST DAYS WITHOUT ENGAGING THE GROUP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF BY ENGAGEMENT YOU ARE WANTING THEIR PERMISSION, THEY WILL SAY NO, AND WE WILL NOT DO THIS. 
          BUT IF WE DO THIS AND WE TEST IT, AND WE ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DOGS TO USE THE, THE NEW AREA FOR YPI HOUR AND IT'S A COLOSSAL FAILURE, WE PROCEED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF GRASS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT IS A SUCCESS, OR EVEN IF IT'S A MIXED BAG, AT THAT POINT, WE HAVE SOME RESULTS TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL AND LET YOU KNOW HOW IT WENT. 
          SO YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION ABOUT GRASS OR NO GRASS FOR ME, WHAT YOU SAY SOUNDS REASONABLE. 
          THE PARTS THAT MISSING FROM ME IS THERE NEEDS TO BE PRIOR NOTIFICATION AND PRIOR DIALOGUE. 
          THERE WILL BE PRIOR NOTIFICATION IF BY DIALOGUE YOU'RE ASK YOU WANT THEM TO GIVE US PERMISSION OR ACQUIESCE THAT THIS IS, THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THIS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING TO OCCUR. 
          WELL, LET'S NOT GET WELL, I'M STILL RECOGNIZED THOUGH. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT TO KEEP YES, BECAUSE I'M ASKING STAFF FOR QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          ISN'T THAT THE PROCESS? IT IS, BUT WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SAME STUFF. 
          SO GO AHEAD. 
          THE, UM, I HATE WHEN MY FLOW GETS DISRUPTED LIKE THAT THEN , SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          I, UM, PERMISSION IS THE WORD THAT YOU'VE USED AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I VIEW IT AS PERMISSION, BUT IF WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BACKLASH ANYWAY, IF YOU'RE ANTICIPATING, WE, IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE WANNA GO FORWARD, BECAUSE IF WE ENGAGE, WE KNOW THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          WELL, IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER IS NO, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE BACKLASH THAT WE WILL RESPOND TO BECAUSE AS COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON ALWAYS POINTS OUT CORRECTLY, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          WE RESPOND TO SQUEAKY WHEELS AND THERE WILL BE A SQUEAKY WHEEL. 
          SO WHY WOULD IT BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME? WHY WOULD WE PUT OURSELF THROUGH THAT PAINFUL PROCESS OF DOING SOMETHING, HAVING THE RESPONSE COME, HAVE IT COME BACK AGAIN IF WE CAN MAYBE CUT THAT OFF BY IN THE BEGINNING SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS THE LIMITED PICK SOME, TWO OR THREE REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVES OF THE USER GROUP. 
          BUT THERE HAS TO BE WHAT IS A MORE FORTHCOMING DIALOGUE TO MAKE THEM. 
          YOU'RE VERY CONVINCING, KAREN. 
          YOU ARE ARTICULATE. 
          YOU CONVINCE ME OF STUFF ALL THE TIME. 
          . 
          AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          UM, YOU PRESENTING THAT, WHY WOULDN'T IT BE REASONABLE TO THEM? SO I WANT IT THAT WAY. 
          I, I JUST, I JUST, I DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE RENEGING ON A PROMISE THAT WE MADE AFTER IT TOOK SO MUCH PAIN AND EFFORT TO GET TO THAT POINT THAT THAT'S THE TRAP I'M TRYING TO AVOID FALLING INTO HERE. 
          MAY I, MAY I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE? JESSICA, DID YOU HAVE, DID I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP FIRST? NO, I DID NOT HAVE MY HAND UP. 
          OKAY, THEN MELISSA, SO THIS IS, THIS IS A QUESTION TO STAFF OR KURT OR SOMEONE. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME, CUZ THIS CAME UP FAIRLY EARLY IN OUR NEW SEATING, UM, AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION HAD STARTED PRIOR TO US BEING SEATED. 
          UM, I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT THE REASON WHY WE WERE MOVING YI HOUR TO START WITH WAS BECAUSE LEAVING THEM ON THE BALLPARK IS A VIOLATION OF SOME SET OF HEALTH RULES OR REGULATIONS WITHIN THE STATE. 
          IS THAT NOT CORRECT? DO I MISREMEMBER THAT? IT IS, THERE IS AN ARS STATUTE ABOUT, UM, HAVING DOGS ON BALL FIELDS. 
          IT IS NOT, THERE DOES ALLOW AN EXCEPTION FOR A YPI HOUR USE. 
          SO IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH YPI HOUR. 
          THERE WAS, I THINK THE LARGER PART OF THE CONVERSATION HAD TO DO WITH THE HEALTH OF THE U YOU KNOW, THE USERS, THE RECREATION USERS BY HAVING ANIMALS RECREATING ON THE FIELDS THAT ARE USED BY 
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HUMANS. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          HUMANS. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL SAY ONE EXAMPLE FROM THAT WAS A GLARING ONE LAST SUMMER WAS OUR SOCCER CAMP. 
          THE PARTICIPANTS ARE ALL WAITING OUTSIDE THE GATE WHILE YPI HOURS ON THE FIELD. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE WERE SEVERAL PARENTS THAT LOOKED AT IT LIKE, I JUST SAW THIS DOG PEE ON THE FIELD RIGHT THERE, AND NOW MY KID'S GONNA GO ROLL A SOCCER BALL THROUGH THERE AND FALL RIGHT THERE, PICK THE BALL UP, PLAY WITH IT, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M AGREEING WITH EVERYTHING HERE THAT THE YPI HOUR GROUP IS VERY SET ON THE GRASS. 
          THERE ARE A FEW OF THEM THAT USE THE DOG PARK AND LIKE THE SAND, BUT THEY ARE, AS A GROUP, IT'S, WE CAN GO TO THE DOG PARK WHENEVER WE WANT. 
          WE WANT THIS GET TOGETHER WHEN WE CAN GO TO THE GRASS AND DO THAT. 
          THEY HAVE MOVED TO THE SAND IN THE DOG PARK AREA WHEN WE'VE HAD WET WEATHER ON THE FIELDS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THE PARTICIPATION'S BEEN VERY LOW THAT WILL ACTUALLY GO AND SHOW UP ON THAT DAY AT THE DOG PARK. 
          SO, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL SUSPECT IT, IT WASN'T, THERE WASN'T A LAW THAT PROHIBITED FROM HAPPENING, BUT THERE WERE WERE RISK CONCERNS ALSO, UH, LIABILITY CONCERNS WITH HAVING THE DOGS, UM, RUNNING ON A FIELD THAT WASN'T DESIGNED OR CLOSED FOR, FOR DOGS AS WELL. 
          THAT'S WAS WHAT WAS SENT OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, THERE WAS ALSO A, WAS THERE AN INCREASED MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT YOU SAW IN RECENT TIMES RELATED TO THE BALL FIELD? TWO, THE DOGS AND, YES. 
          SO I THINK THAT ALSO PLAYED IN PART OF IT. 
          IT WASN'T, UH, JUST THAT, BUT DID I HEAR YOU SAY, KAREN, THAT THE, UH, GREYHOUND OWNERS ACTUALLY SUCCESSFULLY MIGRATED TO THE YES, THEY DID THE SAND. 
          SO THEY WERE HERE. 
          THAT WAS A LARGE PART OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIALLY SOME MOVEMENT THAT'S HAPPENED THAT'S GOOD NEWS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO HOPE FOR P UH, ANDY, SORRY, I JUST WANT TO THROW SOMETHING OUT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOSH, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE POSITIVE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN HAS COME FROM THOSE THAT SEEM TO BE THE REASONABLE PART OF THE GROUP. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THOSE THAT REFUSE TO EVEN TRY THE FIELD ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE PRETTY SURE ARE GONNA MANIPULATE. 
          IF WE GO OUT AND ASK FOR PERMISSION, THEY'RE GONNA MANIPULATE THAT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, JESSICA, FIRST MY UNDER, I WILL JUST SPEAK. 
          I GO TO THE DOG PARK ON SATURDAYS AND SOMETIME WEDNESDAYS WHEN THE GREYHOUND PEOPLE WERE THERE. 
          THEY HAVE GREAT RESPONSE. 
          THEY STILL ALL GO THERE. 
          THEY'RE VERY HAPPY, BUT THEY WERE NEVER GRASS PEOPLE. 
          THEY NEVER CARED ABOUT THE GRASS. 
          SO THEY'RE BEING HAPPY. 
          THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID TO ME. 
          I MEAN, WHAT I HEARD THEM SAY HERE, THEY LIKED THE GRASS, BUT THEY WERE WILLING TO, THEY WERE WILLING TO COME FOR SAND OR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I DIDN'T HEAR IT THAT WAY. 
          I DID. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT, AND IN FACT THAT'S WHAT TURNED OUT. 
          THEY, THEY ALL SHOW UP THERE. 
          THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP AT THE GRASS AREA. 
          I THINK WHAT JOSH JUST SAID WHEN HE HAS DAILY CONTACT WITH THESE PEOPLE OR WEEKLY, HOWEVER, IS IS STRUCK ME AS VERY TRUE THAT, AND I MEAN REALISTICALLY IT'S, IT MAKES SENSE THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO USE THE, WHO USE BOTH THE DOG PARK AND THE GRASS. 
          BUT I REMEMBER FROM THE CONVERSATIONS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR DOG TO GET DIRTY. 
          THEY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THEY WANT GRASS BECAUSE GRASS IS JUST NICE AND THEIR DOG LIKES GRASS. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO FACE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE REASONABLE AND THERE ARE PEOPLE OR WHO REASONABLE, WILLING TO CONSIDER SOMETHING OTHER THAN GRASS. 
          AND THERE ARE PEOPLE FOR WHICH GRASS IS THE LINE IN THE SAND. 
          SO, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE THAT THE COUNCIL DID MAKE A COMMITMENT TO THOSE PEOPLE, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE GRASS IN THE DOG PARK. 
          I DO REMEMBER THAT. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT THAT IS, IS IMPORTANT PART. 
          BUT WHAT I'M HEAR, WHAT I'M HEARING THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN KATHY AND KAREN IS TO WHAT DEGREE WE, WE'LL WE ARE GOING TO REQUEST THEIR PERMISSION TO MOVE ON CERTAIN DATES AS A TEST TO THE DOG PARK OR WHETHER OUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THEM WILL BE AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THE DATES WE'RE DOING IT. 
          UM, AND I THINK IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE DISAGREEMENT IS? AND I I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DECIDE ON WHICH OF THOSE TWO THINGS NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 
          UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO REQUIRE THAT THEY, BECAUSE TO, TO SAY THAT THEY NEED TO APPROVE IT. 
          I THINK THAT WE ARE ENGAGED IN A, IN A, IN A GENUINE, LEGITIMATE, 
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TRANSPARENT PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. 
          AND I THINK THE WAY WE DO THAT IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TEST AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY IT OUT AND WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW IT WORKS. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE SAND, WITH THE SHADE STRUCTURE WITH THE SEATING, WHICH BY THE WAY, THEY, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SEATING IN THE SHADE NOW. 
          AND, AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 
          AND AFTER THAT WE WILL FIND OUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT. 
          I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT PROCESS THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT THEY, BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT THEY GIVE US PERMISSION TO ENGAGE IN WHAT MAKES, MAKES A LOT OF SORT OF LOGICAL SENSE. 
          SO, AND I, I I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE COUNCIL WAS AN ERROR TO SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO USE THE BALLPARK UNTIL WE PUT IN GRASS. 
          I THINK THAT, I JUST THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE, BUT I'VE BEEN PERSISTENT ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THEM OFF THE BALL, OFF THE BALL FIELD. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD BOTH ECO ECOLOGICALLY RESPONSIBLY IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE EFFORTS BY OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF AND, AND, AND, AND GIVING RESPECT, UM, TO THE USERS OF YPI HOUR WHILE STILL USING OUR PREROGATIVE TO SORT OF RESPOND TO CHANGE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT CHANGE CIRCUMSTANCES BEING THE DOG PARK EXPANSION WITH A SURFACE MOST PEOPLE SEEM HAPPY WITH. 
          AND A SHADE STRUCTURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WILL COVER MORE THAN HALF OF THE EXPANSION. 
          I JUST THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VICE MAYOR, YOU WANT TO, I DO. 
          KURT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          COUNCIL HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ISSUE AND WE VOTED THIS COUNCIL VOTED, 60 DAYS HAS PASSED SINCE THAT VOTE. 
          SO TELL ME HOW TO INTERPRET. 
          SO, UH, MAYOR AND COUNSELORS AND, AND VICE MAYOR, IT WOULD NO LONGER BE A RECONSIDERATION. 
          IT'D JUST BE AN, ANY COUNSELOR COULD PROPOSE A NEW ACTION, A NEW ACTION OF THE SAME ACTION THAT WE ALL, I MEAN, IF IT'S THE SAME ACTION, THEN THERE WOULDN'T NEED CIRCUMSTANCES THEN THERE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE ANY NEW ACTION. 
          BUT ANY COUNSELOR COULD PROPOSE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. 
          WELL, TWO COUNSELORS IN 15 MINUTES OR WHATEVER. 
          IT'S, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT STICKS IN OUR CROSS , IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE WERE VERY CLEAR TO THE, UH, PARTICIPANTS OF THE PARK THAT THE GRASS WOULD NOT BE MAINTAINED. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE WERE SO IF SAY WE MOVE FORWARD AS WE HAVE ALREADY, AS YOU MENTIONED AND THE GRASS GOES DOWN, YOU CAN'T USE CAN ANDY, CAN YOU DO A SHADE STRUCTURE OVER GRASS AND EXPECT THE GRASS TO GROW? I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE A, A LOW LIGHT TYPE GRASS, LOW SUNLIGHT, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SO EVEN MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GRASS TO NOT THRIVE. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE GRASS IN, WE KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA SURVIVE AND WE TOLD THEM FROM THE GET GO IT WILL, THE GRASS WILL NOT BE WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING. 
          AND UH, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TO, TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND NOT BRING, I DON'T MIND BRINGING IT BACK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT WE, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT. 
          THERE IS NO REAL GOOD GRASS FOR DOGS THAT WILL SURVIVE IN THIS HEAT. 
          I'VE LOOKED AT TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND THEY NO, THAT WAS FOR FAKE GRASS. 
          NO, NO, THIS IS FOR REGULAR GRASS. 
          AND I LOOKED AT AND IT DOES NOT DO WELL UNLESS YOU PUT A LOT OF WATER ON IT. 
          SO, UH, ARE YOU OKAY NOW IF THE PEOPLE COME BACK, HYPOTHETICALLY THE PUBLIC COMES BACK AND SAYS, THIS GRASS IS LOOKS TERRIBLE, I'M SEEING RUTS, I'M SEEING DIRT, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT BE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS. 
          IS, IS, IS ARE WE IN AGREEMENT IN THAT? NO. 
          NO, BUT NOT AT ALL. 
          THAT'S, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE SAME DISCUSSION WHERE WE AGREED TO, UH, LOOK AT GRASS AND WE ALL VOTED, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS COUNCIL VOTED ON. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT WE ALSO VOTED ON WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GRASS WOULD NOT SURVIVE. 
          THAT WAS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT GRASS WOULD NOT SURVIVE. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WOULDN'T BE MAINTAINED TO THE LEVEL OF THE FOOT OF THE FIELD. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT ALL I WAS SAYING WAS, BEFORE WE DO THIS, TALK TO THE PEOPLE, I DIDN'T SAY GET PERMISSION FROM THEM. 
          I SAID ENGAGE IN A DIALOGUE WITH OUR COMMUNITY, EXPLAIN WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND LET THEM KNOW THAT IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEN WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE PLAN 
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AS PROPOSED. 
          THAT WAS SIMPLY ALL I SAID, AS OPPOSED TO DOING THIS WITHOUT ENGAGING WITH THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRESUMPTION THAT THEY'RE NOT REASONABLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ALL SAYING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THESE ARE NOT REASONABLE PEOPLE. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT PRESUMPTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A PRESUMPTION THAT WHEN YOU ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE, THEN YOU CAN REACH AN AGREEMENT. 
          WELL SAID. 
          I I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND I'M, I KNOW A LOT OF THE DOG OWNERS, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE UNREASONABLE, BUT AS YOU SAID, THEIR EXPECTATION HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TO A LEVEL THAT THE COUNCIL VOTED ON SOMETHING AND THAT'S THEIR EXPECTATION. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT ALL KAREN IS ASKING FOR THE END RESULT IS NOT, HASN'T CHANGED. 
          KAREN IS ASKING FOR JUST A SECOND. 
          KAREN IS ASKING FOR YOU A TEST IN BETWEEN THAT EXPECTATION AND THEN IT MIGHT CHANGE. 
          I'M TOTALLY OKAY WITH THE TEST AS LONG AS WE ENGAGE THE STAKEHOLDERS. 
          WELL, WHY ARE WE AFRAID TO DO THAT? I JUST, LET ME FINISH. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY REASON THAT WE SHOULD NOT ENGAGE, BUT LET'S ENGAGE WITH THEM AFTER THE TEST. 
          JUST A SECOND. 
          THAT'S NOT ENGAGING. 
          JUST A SECOND. 
          YOU DON'T WANT, YOU REMEMBER WHAT WE SAID ABOUT INTERRUPTING? SO I'M, I'M SAYING WE DO THE TEST AND THEN WE COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS THE RESULTS OF THE TEST. 
          IT DIDN'T WORK. 
          IT DID WORK. 
          WHO IS, WHO IS PARTICIPATING IN THE TEST? WELL THAT'S WHAT, UH, KAREN HAS ALREADY SAID. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO INVITE PEOPLE FROM THE YPI HOUR TO GO ONTO THE, WHO WERE THE, IT COULD BE EVERYBODY FROM THE YPI HOUR. 
          THAT MY POINT IS THAT'S THE COMMUNITY. 
          THOSE ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, BUT AGAIN, IF THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE TEST, IF THEY, THAT PARTICULAR YPI HOUR, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO, WELL THAT'S INDICATIVE OF NOT LIKING IT. 
          THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, BUT THEY SHOULD TRY IT AND SEE, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. 
          YOU WANT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE DO A TEST? NO, I WANNA GO TO THE STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE WE DO A TEST TO ENGAGE THEM AND BRING THEM ALONG. 
          AND SO THEY WILL PARTICIPATE IN THE TEST. 
          AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS AN UNWILLINGNESS TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A PRESUMPTION THAT THEY WON'T LIKE IT AND THAT THEY'RE NOT REASONABLE PEOPLE. 
          I DIDN'T SAY THAT UNREASONABLE. 
          WELL, I, IT'S BEEN SET UP HERE. 
          OKAY, WELL THAT'S NOT COMING FROM ME. 
          NO, BUT I, OKAY, SO, UH, AND I, I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          I'M, I JUST THINK THAT WE ARE HAVING MIXED MESSAGES AND MISUNDERSTANDINGS AMONGST OURSELVES AND I WANNA BE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          I WANT TO BE UNITED IN WAY WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, JESSICA, IS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE PUTTING UP THE SHADE STRUCTURE NOW. 
          I MEAN, WHEN PROCEEDING WITH THE SHADE STRUCTURE, IS THAT GOING TO INTERFERE WITH AN INSTALLATION OF GRASS AT A LATER STAGE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT THANK YOU. 
          WELL, YEAH, THE, THE INSTALLATION OF AT LEAST THE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES IS EXPECTED LIKE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. 
          WOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE PERMANENCE WILL BE COMING. 
          THEY'RE ON ORDER. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          BUT AT ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS $55,000 FOR GRAPH  FOR THE DOG PARK . 
          I GUESS, DO WE WANNA LEAVE IT IN? CUZ IT'S, I GUESS WE HAVE TO FINISH THIS CONVERSATION, BUT, SO ANYWAY, IF YOU PUT IN THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE TO MAKE THE DIRT SO IT DOESN'T BURN EVERYBODY IN THE SUMMER, YOU COULD STILL DO GRASS. 
          SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD TO DO GRASS? IS THAT TRUE? WE, WE CAN STILL, WELL AFTER THE PERMANENT STRUCTURES ARE INSTALLED, THAT, THAT'S THE INTENT IS THAT WE COULD STILL PUT GRASS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I WANNA CLARIFY THAT. 
          UH, JUST A SECOND, KATHY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THIS. 
          WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE $55,000 PUTTING THE GRASS IN AFTER THE SHADE STRUCTURE'S IN, AT THAT POINT, WE ARE FULFILLING OUR OBLIGATION AND THE PROMISE THAT WE MADE TO THE, TO THE DOG USERS. 
          AND WE, WE, WE SEE WHERE, UH, IF PEOPLE USE IT, WE HAVE ALSO, THEY HAVE TO COME OFF THE BALLPARK AT THAT TIME BECAUSE I HAVE A PROBLEM ALSO WITH MIXING HUMANS AND DOG WASTE. 
          SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF WHY, WHERE WE GOT TO THIS WHOLE PLACE AND WHERE, WHY WE EXPANDED THE DOG PARK FOR THIS ADDITIONAL, UH, SPACE WE GO FORWARD AS WE, UH, PROPOSED BACK 18 MONTHS AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS. 
          SO YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR POSITION FROM EARLIER ON? I'M, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S A DIFFERENT POSITION. 
          WHEN YOU FIRST CAME IN, YOU SAID YOU AGREED WITH, I, I STILL AGREE WITH, WITH KAREN, BUT I'M TRYING TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU'RE 
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SAYING UP HERE. 
          HERE. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, I'M TRYING TO GET TO A RESOLUTION OF IT HERE. 
          SO AND SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AS, AS TO WHAT THEY WANNA DO. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM. 
          UM, WELL I WAS DOING THAT NEXT, BUT I KNOW KAREN INDICATED SHE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING, I THINK NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN, UH, WELL LET ME GIVE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO WEIGH IN. 
          YOU'VE HAD SEVERAL TIMES AS IS I AND JESSICA, BRIAN, DID YOU WANNA WEIGH IN AT ALL? MELISSA? MELISSA, YOU'VE ALREADY WEIGH IN. 
          I DESPERATELY WANT TO MOVE ON . 
          THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. 
          I AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR'S SENTIMENT. 
          I'M OKAY WITH THE TRIAL, BUT ONLY DONE ACCORDING TO THE VICE MAYOR'S SENTIMENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          AND I HOPE WE CAN MOVE ON TO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE TRIAL. 
          SO YOU MEAN THE TRIAL OF THE DIRT AFTER WE PUT THE GRASS IN? I'M SORRY. 
          I KNOW, BUT YOU CAN'T WEIGH IN. 
          I KNOW BRIAN HASN'T FIN I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S EVEN FINISHED YET. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I APOLOGIZE, BRIAN. 
          AS I UNDERSTAND THIS IS PROPOSED AS, HEY, BEFORE WE PUT THE GRASS DOWN, LET'S TRIAL YAPPY HOUR A FEW TIMES AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE THINK. 
          OKAY, FINE, LET'S DO THAT. 
          BUT ACCORDING TO WHAT THE VICE MAYOR IS SAYING OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ENGAGE THE STAKEHOLDERS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I SEE THE FRIDAY HEADLINE BEING COUNCIL RENES ON DOG PARK. 
          RIGHT? LIKE, AND NOT THAT THAT MOTIVATES ME PER SE, BUT JUST IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S IN THE PAPER, IT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE OF WHAT'S IN THE PAPER AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          BUT ANYWAYS, UM, I AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR'S SENTIMENT ABOUT THIS AND WOULD DEARLY LOVE TO SEE US MOVE ON SOON HERE KATHY AND THEN JESSICA FROM AWAY. 
          IF THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE IS TO LEAVE THE $55,000 IN OR NOT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE'RE HAVING ANY DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY POSITION THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE HAVE A VOTE ON THE RECORD. 
          IT'S BEEN APPROVED. 
          IT, IT'S THE, OUR POSITION AND THE 55,000 HAS TO BE THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A POSITION CONTRARY TO THAT. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE'RE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. 
          GOOD. 
          SO THE 55,000 NEEDS TO STAY IN. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED, IT'S NOT THAT ANYBODY'S TRYING TO UH, SHOOT DOWN YOUR PROPOSAL FOR A TEST. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE WAY THAT IT GOES ABOUT. 
          AND AGAIN, I SAID BEFORE, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, I SUPPORT THE WAY I THINK HOLLY VERY WELL LAID IT OUT. 
          AND IF WE PROCEED IN THAT WAY, YES, A TEST SHOULD GO FORWARD, BUT THE 55,000 HAS TO STAY IN THE BUDGET. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE WE ARE NOT RENEGING AND IF TEST FAILS, THIS HAS TO BE THERE TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          THAT IS OUR POSITION. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT RIGHT NOW. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING THE 55,000. 
          SO IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS A UH, I HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE. 
          SO, SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE UM, DID THIS, WE SAID WE WEREN'T GONNA MAINTAIN IT LIKE A BALLPARK. 
          NO, NO WE DID NOT. 
          NO, NO. 
          OH NO WE DID NOT. 
          I THOUGHT WE SAID WE WERE NOT GONNA MAINTAIN IT TO THE LEVEL OF YEAH, WE DID. 
          THAT'S WHAT I SAID. 
          WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN. 
          NO, I DIDN'T SAY NOT JUST NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I SAID NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HOWEVER, IS THERE ANY WAY IN WHICH WE HAD SPECIFIED WHAT MAINTENANCE NOW MEANT? SO DO, DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S LIKE THEIR EXPECTATIONS I KEEP HEARING AREN'T GOING TO BE MET BECAUSE THEY WANT IT TO BE BE A BALLPARK. 
          BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO ACTUALLY MAINTAIN IT. 
          IS IT GOING TO BE MOAN? ARE WE GONNA RESOD IT? ARE WE GONNA FILL HOLES? ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WELL I THINK THAT WAS DISCUSSED, BUT RIGHT. 
          AND I, BUT I GET YOUR POINT. 
          SO LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR TO JUST BE REALLY CLEAR SOMEWHERE THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME BACK TO US AND THEY SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT AT THE LEVEL THAT WE EXPECTED. 
          WE CAN SAY THIS IS THE LEVEL OF WHAT WE PLANNED ON DOING. 
          AND THEN IT'S VERY CLEAR TO OUR CONSTITUENTS WHAT WE MEANT WHEN WE SAID IT WOULD NOT BE MAINTAINED AT BALLPARK LEVEL. 
          CAUSE I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE THE ISSUE THAT WILL COME UP AND WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          ANDY, IS THAT, SO IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN ADDRESS? WELL, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REPORT BACK ON, BUT UM, WE CERTAINLY HAVEN'T FULLY DETAILED THAT OUT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FULLY SELECTED THE SURFACE. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS THE THING THAT WAS UNDECIDED IN THE PAST AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WANTED, THAT WANTED SAND. 
          THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WANTED DIRT. 
          THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WANTED GRASS AND THERE WERE SO MANY DIFFERENT IDEAS THERE. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO STILL PUT TOGETHER WHAT THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE WILL BE FOR THAT SURFACE. 
          AND, AND I THINK SOME OF THAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW UNTIL WE SEE VOLUME OF USAGE, HOW THE SURFACE STANDS UP. 
          WE COULDN'T POSSIBLY SPECULATE ON THAT AT THIS POINT. 
          AND ALTHOUGH WE COMMITTED 
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TO PURSUE GRASS, YOU ALL GAVE US A CAVEAT THAT IT NEEDED TO BE GRASS. 
          AND A 20%, I BELIEVE WAS THE NUMBER REDUCTION IN WATER USAGE. 
          WE HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ACHIEVABLE RIGHT. 
          AT THIS POINT. 
          SO YES, WE HA DEFINITELY HAVE THE PLACEHOLDER IF WE ARE GOING TO PURSUE GRASS, BUT WE HAVE NOT WORKED OUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE UNDER THE TERMS THAT YOU GAVE US. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          IN ORDER TO DO IT. 
          WELL THAT'S WHAT I HAD ASKED ABOUT THE EXCHANGE. 
          SO WE HAVE AN EXCHANGE THAT WE, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AN AREA WHICH WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA REDUCE WATER USAGE. 
          BUT YOU WANTED A 20% ON TOP, YOU DIDN'T WANT AN EXCHANGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU WANTED AN ADDITIONAL 20% REDUCTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I ASKED MY VERY FIRST QUESTION. 
          I BELIEVE THE LANGUAGE WAS A 20% REDUCTION IN RECREATIONAL USE GRASS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GONNA BE POSSIBLE. 
          WATER, GRASS, WATER, WATER, WATER. 
          SORRY. 
          I MEAN, I, I CAN I, AM I RECOGNIZED OR NOT? I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS JUST, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
           IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING ON, CUZ I'M TOTALLY, TOTALLY WITH BRYANT, HOW FAR BEHIND ARE WE NOW? 21 MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD AND BUT KAREN HAS A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER COUNCIL WANTS TO CONSIDER THAT PROPOSAL OR NOT. 
          AND IF WE DO, WE IT'LL HAVE TO BE AT A DIFFERENT TIME I GUESS. 
          CUZ I WANNA MOVE ON. 
          SO IS THERE AN INTEREST IN, IS THERE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM COUNSEL WHERE THERE'S AN INTEREST IN AT SOME POINT PURSUING KAREN'S PROPOSAL OR NOT BECAUSE I, AND SO CAN WE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MOVE ON BECAUSE I, I GOT, I CAN DO THIS FOREVER, IAND, BUT I THINK THAT PROPOSAL, WELL THE ITEM IS REALLY THE $55,000 ABSOLUTE THAT STAYS IN BECAUSE RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD STAY IN YEAH. 
          AND I WOULD SUPPORT IT STAYING IN BECAUSE IT CAN ALWAYS COME OUT TWO YEARS IF IT'S NOT DONE OR, OR WE DON'T SPEND IT, IT'S FINE. 
          OH, WE DON'T SPEND IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK, AND THEN WE, WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS KAREN'S UH, UH, PROPOSAL, WHICH I SUPPORT, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO GO TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE EVEN DO THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE MIKE THE RUB. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION NOW, IF THERE THERE'S NO APPETITE ON COUNSEL TO REVISIT KAREN'S PROPOSAL, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO REDISCUSS IT ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW NOW WHETHER THERE'S ANY SENSE THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO CONSIDER IT OR NOT. 
          I, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER IT. 
          I I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER IT TOO, BUT WITH THAT CAVEAT OF WHAT TWO OF OUR MEMBERS ARE SUGGESTING, THAT THREE THREE THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING ON IT, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          IT'S ENGAGING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS. 
          THEN EXPLAIN TO ME THAT'S BETTER. 
          WE KNOW WHO THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE. 
          WE GO TO THEM. 
          THEY'RE THERE ON THE FIELD EVERY THURSDAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND WE ASK FOR A GROUP WHO WANTS TO MEET WITH US. 
          THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          I THOUGHT YOU WAS LOOKING FOR A PUBLIC NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO KAREN, JUST GIVE IT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK KAREN IS WITHDRAWING HER PROPOSAL. 
          OH, WHY? AND, AND I, I, I THINK THE CONFUSION IS ON THE DEFINITION OF ENGAGEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           CORRECT. 
          WE WOULD CERTAINLY EXPECT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE USERS OF ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHY WE ARE DOING IT. 
          AND PROVIDE THE JUSTIFICATION, MY SENSE OF GETTING A GROUP TOGETHER TO ASK HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS TEST AT, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL PUSH BACK ON THE, ON, ON EVEN DOING A TEST SCENARIO OVER THE COURSE OF TIME. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A WASTE OF STAFF'S EFFORT IF WE WANT TO PURSUE THE GRASS. 
          WE HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE THE CAVEAT THAT WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE NUMBER OF C I P PROJECTS AND THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO ASSESS FULL USAGE OF ALL THE PARKS AND RECREATION WATER USE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS AND TRY TO DETERMINE HOW WE CAN ULTIMATELY REDUCE THAT BY AN ADDITIONAL 20% WHILE INSTALLING GRASS AND WHAT KIND OF GRASS. 
          AND IF WE'RE PUTTING IN SHADE STRUCTURES NOW THAT MIGHT NOT BE, THEY, THEY JUST SIMPLY WOULDN'T BE NEEDED IN THE SAME WAY, IF IT'S A GRASS SURFACE VERSUS THE SAND SURFACE, THAT IS JUST GONNA 
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TAKE SOME TIME. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT YPI HOUR WILL CONTINUE TO BE HONORED. 
          IT WILL BE ON THE BALL FIELD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT IT MAY NOT BE THAT WE'RE IMMEDIATELY GOING TO A GRASS SOLUTION BECAUSE THERE ARE JUST A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I AGREE. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, THE VICE MAYOR OR WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO JOIN HER AND I MIGHT DO THAT WITH HER, CAN STILL ENGAGE AND TALK TO PEOPLE TO GET THEIR, THEIR TEMPERATURE ON UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS WHERE WE, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THE STUDY. 
          WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET OR IF WE CAN EVEN GET TO THE 20% REDUCTION. 
          IT'S STILL A LOT NEAR AIR, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO STAY ON THE BALL FIELD, WHICH IS NOT THE BEST SCENARIO FOR ME. 
          BUT KATHY, THANK YOU, UH, STOLE MY THUNDER THERE. 
          I WAS GOING TO ASK KAREN IF IT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME TO VOLUNTEER MYSELF AND THE VICE MAYOR TO GO AND ENGAGE WITH THE HAPPY HOUR FOLKS, UM, EXPLAINING THAT THERE WILL BE THIS TEST, UH, AND ASKING FOR THEIR HELP IN PARTICIPATING IN THAT. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO AND I THINK THE VICE MAYOR IS AS WELL, IS IF THAT IS HELPFUL TO YOU, WE CAN BE THAT LIAISON. 
          I THINK IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE, THEN THAT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT NO, I I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          IF, IF YOU CAN'T WITH THE VICE MAYOR. 
          WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE AND WE SEEM TO GET A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK WHEN WE DO GO TO THE YPI HOUR. 
          MATTER OF FACT, I'VE BEEN REMISS, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR ME TO GO ANYWAY. 
          SO, SO IN SUPPORT OF KEEPING THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET MM-HMM. 
          , LET'S PLEASE, LET'S MOVE ON. 
          LET'S DO SOMETHING EASY LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          . 
          I LIKE IT. 
          CAN I JUST, CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT PARKS? ON THE PARKS? OKAY. 
          POSSE GROUND. 
          UM, THEN YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL AND THEN WE HAVE PARKING. 
          SO I KNOW THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE SCHOOL IN PARKING. 
          I KNOW THAT DISC GOLFERS DON'T WANNA WALK APPARENTLY WITH THEIR HEAVY BAGS OF EQUIPMENT FROM FURTHER DOWN. 
          YES, I KNOW. 
          IT'S TOO, IT'S TOO FRISBEES. 
          BUT, UM, THEY WOULD PREFER, THEY'RE NOW BEING TOLD TO PARK IN THE SHUTTLE PARKING. 
          WE HAVE TOURISTS WHO ARE PARKING IN, WE HOPE IN THE SHUTTLE PARKING, WE HAVE TOURISTS PARKING WHERE WE EXPANDED THE DOG PARK PARKING, UM, A ALONG WITH THE REGULAR DOG PARK PARKING. 
          CUZ THAT ONE HOUR DOESN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, AS WE START TO GET JUST GOLF TOURNAMENTS AND WE START TO GET, UM, SWIMMING COMPETITIONS AND WE START TO GET PEOPLE WANTING TO USE THE DOG PARK AND WE HAVE PEOPLE USING THE SKATE PARK AND PEOPLE USING THE BIKE SKILLS AND WE HAVE MOUNTAIN BIKING FESTIVAL, UM, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS PLANNING OVER THERE FOR WHERE ALL THOSE FIELD CLOTHES ARE GONNA GO? UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA LIKE, STACK 'EM ON TOP OF IT? YEAH, YEAH. 
          PARKING IS A HUGE ISSUE. 
          UM, FOR THE POOL SIDE OF IT. 
          OUR PART OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL IS THE POOL PARKING CAN TAKE PLACE IN THEIR PARKING LOT THERE. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT ACCESS AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE ON THE POOL SIDE, WHETHER THAT'S THE SWIM TEAMS OR OUR PUBLIC USE WITH THE DISC GOLF. 
          YEAH. 
          WE ARE DIRECTING 'EM TO THE SHUTTLE STOP. 
          UM, THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE SCHOOL DOESN'T EVEN WANT THEM WALKING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT TO GET TO THE DISC GOLF ACCESS. 
          SO THEY'RE HAVING TO WALK DOWN THE SHARED USE PATH AND UP THE, THEY GET THERE, BUT IT MAKES IT ABOUT A HALF MILE HIKE TO GET TO THE DISC GOLF COURSE RATHER THAN 30 STEPS IS KIND OF THE THING. 
          SO THEY'RE DOING IT, IT'S WORKING. 
          UM, IT'S JUST WHEN THEY'RE PARKING, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED STEPS AWAY FROM THE START OF THE DISC GOLF COURSE, BUT THEY HAVE TO WALK DOWN THE SHARED USE PATH AND THEN UP THE SWITCHBACK TRAIL TO GET THERE INSTEAD OF WALKING THROUGH A PARKING LOT. 
          THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE IN THAT PART FOR PARKING IN GENERAL. 
          UM, PART OF OUR LIKE PICKLEBALL PLAN THAT I BELIEVE IS COMING TO COUNCIL JUNE 27TH, IT DOES INCLUDE ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THERE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, BUT THERE DOES NEED TO BE MORE, PARKING CONSISTENTLY IS AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BIG EVENTS. 
          AND JUST TO HELP YOU, I'M, I'M, I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE, UH, BOARD CHAIR OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO TRY TO, MAYBE WE CAN MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL BE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT, BUT I ALWAYS LIKE TO EXTEND THE OLIVE BRANCH AND SEE IF WE CAN HAVE THAT DIALOGUE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON? MAYOR? I THINK ANDY HAS SOMETHING. 
          OH YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA CLARIFY TOO. 
          I, I'M NOT SURE IF I MISSED, MISSED YOU SAYING IT, BUT THE, THE SCHOOL IS REALLY INTERESTED IN RESTRICTING THAT PARKING ON SCHOOL 
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PROPERTY DURING SCHOOL HOURS. 
          SO NOW THAT WE'RE IN SUMMER SUMMERTIME, THAT RIGHT TOUCH SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S FOR THE, UH, THE DISC GOLF PARKING. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO TO DISC GOLF. 
          SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE WITH PARK PARKING IN THAT, UM, SCHOOL PARKING LOT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY DURING NON-BUSINESS, NON-SCHOOL HOURS I SHOULD SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, LET'S, THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL TOO. 
          DO THEY HAVE SUMMER SCHOOL? I'M SURE THEY DO. 
          UM, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY CONCERNS OVER PARKING DURING THE SUMMER AT ALL. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY EXPRESSED TO US, SO, YEAH. 
          AGREED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON TO POLICE. 
          ARE YOU READY? ARE YOU TO POLICE? UM, BUT I DID WANNA ASK, SO WE'VE BEEN GOING FOR THREE HOURS. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE JUST A BRIEF BREAK? I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          SURE. 
          JOANNE, READY? UH, FIVE MINUTE BATHROOM BREAK. 
          SCOTT, I'M GONNA TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO MY THING AND I'LL JUST COME BACK AS SOON AS I CAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          I THINK WE NEED MORE FREQUENT ENERGY THING. 
          IT'S A PRETTY, IT'S A PRETTY ENERGY THING. 
          WE STILL HAVE THE LEASE ON. 
          OH, YOU, AND IT'S A FAIRLY SMALL ITEM, BUT IF SOMEBODY SAID, ARE WE GETTING VALUE THAT I'D SAY RIGHT NOW THERE'S, WELL, WE WE'RE WAITING. 
          THE MICS ARE ON, BUT WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL JESSICA JUST HAD TO LEAVE . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU OKAY WITH RESUMING ME? YES, PLEASE GET READY TO GO. 
          THANK YOU SHERRY. 
          SO, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE STEPHANIE BEING HERE TODAY ON, SHE BOUGHT HER ENTOURAGE. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          , I COME IN A PACK. 
          YEAH, I SEE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SUMMARY CHANGES, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY SHOWING A DECREASE. 
          UM, SO THE DIRECT COST FOR FISCAL YEAR 23 WAS ABOUT 8 MILLION GOING DOWN TO JUST UNDER 7.3 MILLION. 
          THE REALLY BIG ITEM HERE IS DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET COUNCIL APPROVED HAVING AN EXTRA $1 MILLION CONTRIBUTION TO THE PS ESPS, UM, THE POLICE, UH, PENSION FUND TO HELP, UM, BRING DOWN THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REALLY LARGE THINGS HERE. 
          THEY DO HAVE A DECISION PACKAGE INCLUDING, UM, A POSITION REQUEST, THE, UM, INCREASE IN WAGES AND BENEFITS. 
          UM, SO THERE WASN'T A ADEQUATE TIME AND DECISION WAS MADE LATER, UM, TO TRANSFER, UM, TO KIND OF REVERSE THE TRANSFER THAT WE, WE HAD TRIED OUT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, SO IT, SO WHAT, WHAT IS THERE INCLUDED THE TWO FTES, BUT THOSE WILL BE ADJUSTED IN THE TENTATIVE BUDGET VERSION. 
          UM, WE ARE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET. 
          UM, NORMALLY IN THE PAST WE HAD DONE A, A NEGATIVE OFFSET FOR AN ESTIMATION OF HOW MUCH VACANCY SAVINGS THERE WOULD BE IN THE CITY'S BUDGET IN TOTAL IN GENERAL SERVICES. 
          BUT WE'VE COME TO A POINT TO WHERE GENERAL SERVICES, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO JUST ABSORB A NEGATIVE ADJUSTMENT AND KEEP GENERAL SERVICES WITHIN BUDGET. 
          SO WE'VE HAD TO, UM, TRANSFER AND ALLOCATE THAT, THAT HALF MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THAT NEGATIVE OFFSET. 
          SO WE'RE JUST FROM THE GET-GO, WE'RE JUST GOING TO, UM, PUT THESE OFFSETS IN THE LARGER DEPARTMENTS. 
          THE LARGER DEPARTMENTS ARE THE ONES WHO TEND TO HAVE MORE, UM, PREDICTABLE TURNOVER. 
          UM, NOT THE, IT NECESSARILY ALWAYS IS. 
          AND IF IT, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE OFFSET, UM, DIDN'T REALLY WORK OUT IN THAT DEPARTMENT, BUT WE DID EXPERIENCE OFFSET SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE CAN DO AN ADJUSTMENT TO TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE. 
          UM, AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER SMALLER, UM, ITEMS HERE. 
          SO THE TOTAL CHANGE IS A 9% DECREASE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIRECT, UM, ONGOING, IT REPRESENTS A 4%, UM, INCREASE. 
          AND THEN HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THE ONE TIME COST. 
          SO IN THE DECISION PACKAGES, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT FOR ONE TIME. 
          UH, THEY DO HAVE, UM, QUITE A FEW OF THE VEHICLE LEASES. 
          UM, FOR PD. 
          THERE'S THE LEASE, UM, WHEN, UH, THEY, UM, CAME UP WITH THE NEW, UH, CAMERA, BODY WORN CAMERA SYSTEM LEASE PAYMENT ON THAT. 
          THERE'S UPFITS ON VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUESTING THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET AND THEN REPLACEMENT OF THE CANINE AND, UM, AND THE HANDHELD RADIOS. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE UPLIFTS ON THE VEHICLE? UM, SO THAT'S 
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CALL WHOEVER. 
          YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT THAT'S ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DO TO MAKE IT ACTUALLY INTO A POLICE VEHICLE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO BEING, YEAH, SO IT'S PUTTING THE PRISONER COMPARTMENT IN, PUTTING AN AMOUNT FOR OUR, UM, LAPTOP. 
          IT'S THE RADIO, THE LIGHTS, THE SIREN, UM, THE BACK STORAGE AREA. 
          IT'S UPFITTING A CAR TO STOP BEING JUST A REGULAR PERSON CAR TO BEING A POLICE VEHICLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UH, STEPHANIE, UH, CHIEF THE IN-CAMERA, UH, BODY WORN CAMERA LEASE. 
          HOW MANY IN CAR? OH, ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS THINKING IT WAS. 
          IT'S IN-CAR CAMERA. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE, THE, UH, BODY CAMERAS? BODY CAMERAS? YEAH. 
          SO WE STARTED A PILOT PROGRAM JUST TO SEE HOW WE WOULD BE TO ALSO WHAT THE NEEDS WOULD BE ON REDACTION WITH I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR, MAYBE FIVE CAMERAS THAT WE STARTED WITH. 
          ONCE WE STARTED WITH THAT, UM, WE DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE WAY MORE OUT THERE BECAUSE IF, UM, YOU THINK OF OUR NORMAL STAFFING, YOU HAVE THREE OFFICERS AND A SERGEANT ON, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING OUR DETECTIVES OTHER SPECIALTY UNITS. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WE DID WITH SOME OF THE FUNDS THIS YEAR WAS TO PURCHASE SOME ADDITIONAL ONES AS WELL, SO THAT THE COST WASN'T FULLY INTO NEXT YEAR AS WELL. 
          WE WERE TRYING TO SPLIT IT BETWEEN THIS YEAR AND NEXT, SO THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY THAT WOULD BE ON SHIFT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD FOR US TO REDUCE LIABILITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FOR OTHERS TO SEE WHAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          UM, SO IN CAR, ALL THE, ALL THE CARS THAT WOULD BE ON PATROL HAVE AN IN-CAR CAMERA MOUNTED TO THE WINDSHIELD. 
          THE BODY WORN WOULD BE ON THE UNIFORM. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE INCREASING MORE IS WITH THE BODY WORN. 
          SO THAT'S STILL WON'T BE ACCOMPLISHED UNTIL THIS BUDGET YEAR. 
          WE ACTUALLY DID RECEIVE SOME OF THEM IN AND, UM, IT, IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, SO IT'S NOT JUST THE CAMERA ITSELF. 
          YOU HAVE TO GET THE HOLDER AND ALL THESE PARTS THAT THEN ALLOW YOU TO ATTACH TO THE IN-CAR CAMERA. 
          SO THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY COME IN HERE AND THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAY PRODUCTION'S GOING NOW. 
          UM, THEY CAN GIVE YOU A DATE AND THEN THAT DATE FALLS THROUGH AND IT GETS PUSHED OUT DEPENDING ON WHERE THE ITEMS ARE COMING FROM. 
          SO OUR HOPE, WAS IT 10 THAT WE WANTED TO GET? YEAH. 
          SO I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE 10 OVERALL, THAT WAY THERE'S A BANK OF 'EM, SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON, THEY CAN TAKE THEM FOR THEIR SHIFT, THEN THEY CAN CHARGE 'EM, AND THEN THE NEXT PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HAVE FRESH ONES TO GO BECAUSE THERE IS A CHARGE TIME TO 'EM AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, THERE'LL BE SOME NOW THAT ARE, THAT HAVE COME IN THAT WE CAN PUT OUT ON THE ROAD SOON, AND THEN SOME IN THE NEXT YEAR WE'LL LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY ADDITIONALS WE HAVE TO PURCHASE OR WHAT OTHER ITEMS, BUT IT WON'T BE AS EXTENSIVE BECAUSE WE SPLIT SPLIT IT BETWEEN THE TWO YEARS WITH SOME OF THE SAVINGS THAT WE HAD THIS YEAR. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT FOR, UH, STAFF COMMITMENT TO THE, AFTER THE, THE VIDEO, IF WE SOMEBODY TO VIEW IT, REDACT IT, DOES THAT GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO, TO DO REDACT IT? ARE YOU DOING IT? OH, I'D LOVE THAT, KURT. 
          HE'S GOT NOTHING ELSE TO DO. 
          I KNOW. 
          YEAH, GENERALLY POLICE DEPARTMENT'S REDACT THE VIDEO FOR PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. 
          SO HOW IS THAT MANAGING ON YOUR STAFF? AND UH, I'M SURE IT IS TAKING A TOLL AS WELL, SO, WELL, THIS IS WHERE WE'LL ACTUALLY REALLY SEE HOW MUCH, UH, THE INCREASE WOULD BE. 
          SO NEXT YEAR IT, IT COULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO SAY THAT MAYBE IT'S A PART-TIME OR MAYBE THERE WOULD BE THE NEED FOR THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, ONLY BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE THE FOUR THAT ARE OUT. 
          AND IT IS A BIG PART OF THIS ONE PERSON, HEIDI. 
          UM, HER JOB IS TO DO THAT REDACTION. 
          SO AT TIMES WHEN WE'VE HAD SOMEBODY ON LIGHT DUTY, UM, DUE TO A, A WORK INJURY THEY'VE ASSISTED, SO IT'S TAKEN THAT LOAD OFF. 
          SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE FULL EXTENT TO WHAT THAT NEED IS. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE HOPING THIS YEAR TO REALLY WATCH IT AND, AND KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE AS WE PUT MORE OUT INTO THE FIELD. 
          AND SO YOU'RE GONNA BE SPLITTING IT BETWEEN TWO YEARS. 
          WILL THAT, AT THE END OF THE TWO YEARS, WILL YOU BE TOTALLY OUTFITTED FOR, FOR THE OFFICERS? EVERYBODY? OR WHERE, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO GET THERE? WELL, SO, UM, WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE ROAD IN THAT DURING A SHIFT AND FOR THE SHIFT COMING ON, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE ONLY THE FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX DEPENDING ON MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, THE SRO HAVING ONE, ALL, ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER. 
          SO, UM, WE WANNA SEE WHAT THE NINE OR 10 THAT WE HAVE NOW AND IF THERE'S A BIGGER NEED EVEN LATER TO THEN HAVE EVERYONE HAVE THEIR OWN ISSUED ONE. 
          UM, BECAUSE PART OF IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE IF THEY GO HOME, DO THEY TAKE IT HOME WITH THEM AND FORGET TO PUT IT ON THE DOCK. 
          UM, SO DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER. 
          THAT'S FINE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE UNCERTAIN UNTIL WE GET INTO IT A LITTLE MORE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO BE FISCALLY SMART MM-HMM. 
           AND NOT DIVE FULL IN WITH ALL THIS NEED WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING AND KIND OF A PHASE PROCESS TO IT. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON YEP, VICE MAYOR, 
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HOW ARE YOU DOING WITH RETENTION? WHERE IS YOUR STAFF RIGHT NOW? WELL, I ANTICIPATED THIS UHHUH. 
          SURE, YOU DID . 
          UM, SO WHEN WE'RE FULLY STAFFED WITH OUR SWORN PERSONNEL, IT WOULD BE 29 AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 26, WE HAVE THREE IN THE BACKGROUND. 
          ONE THAT'S A LATERAL OFFICER THAT IS ALREADY FROM ANOTHER STATE THAT HOPEFULLY WILL PASS THE TEST TWO THAT LOOK LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE ACADEMY AND BE NEW. 
          SO WE DO HAVE THREE IN THE BACKGROUNDS. 
          IF IT ALL WORKS OUT AND THEY PASS EVERYTHING, THEN THAT WOULD BRING US TO FULL STAFFING. 
          ALTHOUGH WE'RE ANTICIPATING SERGEANT DOMINGUEZ, UM, THAT HE IS RETIRING COME JULY 24TH OR 27TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WELL, YEAH. 
          BUT NEXT, THIS WEEK. 
          NEXT THIS WEEK. 
          SO WE, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE ONE COMING, UM, FOR HIM, YOU KNOW, REACHING HIS RETIREMENT. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S ANTICIPATED. 
          WE DO KNOW OF A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO MOVE TO A BIGGER DEPARTMENT THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN ACTIVELY TESTING, UM, IN OTHER CITIES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IF THE ANTICIPATION IS ALWAYS TO HAVE ONGOING RECRUITMENT AND NOT REST ON FEELING THAT WE'RE IN A SAFE PLACE OR WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, I THINK IT'S VERY HARD TO ALWAYS STAY CLOSE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WITH OUR SWORN PERSONNEL IN RECORDS, WE HAVE, UM, ONE PERSON AT TO, TO FILL THAT. 
          WE'LL BE STARTING, UM, NEXT MONDAY, SO WE'LL BE FULL THERE. 
          WE HAVE SEVEN DISPATCHERS NOW WITH ONE REMAINING OPENING, AND WE DO HAVE ONE IN THE BACKGROUND. 
          WOW. 
          SO IDEALLY WE BECOME FULLY STAFFED THERE AND WE HAVE THE SUPERVISOR, UH, WITH EVIDENCE. 
          WE HAVE A PART-TIME PERSON, SO THAT'S STILL THERE. 
          WE HAVE TWO CSOS, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS THAT, SO WE'RE FULL, WE HAVE ONE C S A WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF HIRING SIX TO SEVEN MORE. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE TWO IN THE BACKGROUND, SO THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING CONTINUAL RECRUITMENT THAT WE WANT TO DO, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE PART-TIME AND THEY JUST SHARE MORE OF A BANK OF HOURS. 
          WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE PEOPLE WORK 1, 2, 3 DAYS. 
          UH, JUST DEPENDS, BUT IT'S NOT A FULL-TIME POSITION. 
          SO, AND THEN OF COURSE MY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT, SO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND I HATE TO SAY IT OUT LOUD, BUT WE'RE, WE ARE FEELING PRETTY GOOD ABOUT, UM, WHERE WE'RE AT AND REALLY HOPE TO FIND EFFORTS TO RETAIN THE PEOPLE THAT WE DO HAVE AND ALSO ANTICIPATE JUST KIND OF THE NATURE OF, OF THE BUSINESS OF WHO MIGHT BE LOOKING TO GO ONTO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          WHAT HAPPENED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT? WHY DID THAT NOT WORK OUT? YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GET IT UP AND, AND STARTING INTO, YOU KNOW, HAVING TWO DIVISIONS, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS AND SEEING HOW THAT TRAINING WOULD OVERLAP. 
          DO THEY NEED TO REMAIN SEPARATE? IS THERE THOSE WAYS? AND I THINK, UM, IT JUST WAS A LITTLE MORE OVERWHELMING ON THE FRONT END TO TRY AND GET IT DONE, UM, WITHOUT REALLY PROBABLY DOING AS MUCH PLANNING, YOU KNOW, BRAINSTORMING OF SOME OF IT UPFRONT. 
          SO I THINK IT JUST, RIGHT NOW IT'S PROBABLY BETTER BACK IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT UNTIL WE CAN MAYBE REVISIT IT AND SEE, UM, WHO MIGHT BE BETTER FOR THAT. 
          IS IT SOMEBODY THAT'S CROSS TRAINED IN BOTH? IS IT, YOU KNOW, JUST, I THINK WE REALLY TRIED AND IT WAS FUN AND I CAN SEE WHERE, UM, YOU COULD MAKE THE COMMUNITY MORE HAPPY BY HAVING IT CENTRALIZED INTO ONE LOCATION, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE JOB, IT WAS MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO FIND THAT SEPARATION OF STILL NEEDING A LOT OF ASSISTANCE BY, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR PERMITS AND OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY OUR FORTE AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS THAN WE DO. 
          SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF HARD TO MERGE EVERYTHING. 
          AND COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE NEW POSITION? SURE, I'D LOVE TO. 
          SO THE POSITION THAT I AM ASKING FOR IS FOR A MOTOR OFFICER, UM, STRICTLY DESIGNATED TO BE A MOTORCYCLE OFFICER. 
          UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE ON THE ROAD, AND, AND THAT'S FOUR DAYS A WEEK. 
          SO IDEALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS TO HAVE A SEVEN DAYS A WEEK COVERAGE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THREE DAYS WITHOUT, AND THAT'S BEST CASE SCENARIO. 
          IF THAT PERSON NEVER TOOK A VACATION, UH, DIDN'T GO TO TRAINING, AND, AND HE DOES BECAUSE HE'S VERY SPECIALIZED IN A LOT OF, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, POLICE RELATED ACTIVITIES FOR US. 
          SO IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY THAT HE'S ON THE ROAD FOUR DAYS A WEEK CONTINUOUSLY. 
          UM, SO WHAT MY GOAL IS, IS TO HAVE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK COVERAGE WITH ONE DAY OF AN OVERLAP, WHICH IS SATURDAY. 
          AS WE ALL KNOW FROM TRAFFIC STUDIES, THAT HAS BEEN ONE WHERE WE FIND OUR GREATEST INCREASE INTO THE CITY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TWO ON. 
          UM, SO I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SAY THIS TO YOU ALL BECAUSE I THINK YOU KNOW IT AS WELL, BUT, UM, TRAFFIC IS OUR NUMBER ONE 
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COMPLAINT. 
          I THINK YOU RECEIVE THEM. 
          WE CERTAINLY RECEIVE THEM. 
          WE SEE IT EVERY DAY ON THE ROAD OURSELVES. 
          SO TO COMBAT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, IT'S HARD TO HAVE OFFICERS THAT ARE IN POLICE VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, THE SUVS OR THE CARS NAVIGATE THE TRAFFIC, LIKE YOU HAVE TO NAVIGATE IT BECAUSE THEY GET STUCK AS WELL. 
          NOT ALL TYPES OF CALLS THAT WE CAN GO TO LET US USE OUR LIGHTS AND SIRENS. 
          SO SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO SIT IN TRAFFIC THE SAME WAY YOU ARE, UM, WHICH CAN EXTEND OUR RESPONSE TIMES. 
          THINGS THAT AREN'T ACTIVELY, UM, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY, UH, A THREAT TO PEOPLE IN THAT MOMENT, BUT COULD BECOME THAT WAY. 
          WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS ALLOW TOO MUCH TIME FROM THE TIME A CALL COMES IN AND IT'S OKAY, IT MIGHT BE ESCALATING, UM, TO, WE HAVE A 15 MINUTE RESPONSE AND NOW IT'S ESCALATED CUZ THEY'RE GETTING UPSET WITH EACH OTHER CUZ NOBODY'S ARRIVED. 
          SO WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO LIMIT THAT. 
          AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN NAVIGATE OUR COMMUNITY MUCH BETTER IS TO HAVE A MOTORCYCLE OFFICER THAT IS ALLOWED TO SPLIT LANES OR USE OTHER MEANS TO ACTUALLY GET THROUGH TRAFFIC DIFFERENTLY THAN, THAN A VEHICLE OBVIOUSLY GOING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          WE REALLY TRY TO LIMIT THAT. 
          SO WHEN YOU GET TO THE AREAS OF THE ROUNDABOUTS, UNLESS PEOPLE REALLY MOVE OVER ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING TO GET CREATIVE ON, ON HOW TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THE, THE CITY AND THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. 
          SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S THE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK COVERAGE. 
          WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE A NEED TO PURCHASE A NEW VEHICLE FOR THIS PERSON, MEANING A MOTORCYCLE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ONE THAT, UM, IS OLDER BUT STILL IN GOOD CONDITION THAT CAN BE USED DOWNSTAIRS IN, IN THE GARAGE. 
          SO THAT PERSON WILL RIDE THAT. 
          OUR IDEA IS NEXT YEAR TO GO TO, UM, G HS, GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF HIGHWAY SAFETY AND REQUEST A GRANT AGAIN FOR ANOTHER MOTORCYCLE. 
          SO THAT WAY WE CAN OFFSET THE COST AS WELL AND, UM, REALLY SHOW HOW HAVING TWO ON THE ROAD IS A BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S JUST A, A REAL BRIEF OVERVIEW. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM. 
          BUT SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES WILL INCLUDE RESPONDING TO COLLISIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE INJURY OR NON-INJURY, UM, DOING ENFORCEMENT, WHETHER THAT BE WARNINGS, TICKETS, REPAIR ORDERS TO TRY AND CORRECT TRAFFIC, UM, BEHAVIOR. 
          UM, ALSO WHILE BEING A DETERRENT, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT CAN BE SEEN OUT THERE AND, AND MOTORCYCLES THAT CAN ACTUALLY GET TO THE VEHICLES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY START PUTTING OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK BY SWITCHING LANES. 
          A MOTORCYCLE CAN DO THAT, UM, MORE SAFE SAFELY TO GO GET THAT VEHICLE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL, UM, RESPONSES TO CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          BUT THE, THE IDEA IS THAT THEY DON'T TAKE WHAT PATROL WOULD TAKE FOR NORMAL CALLS, LOST PROPERTY, UM, A SHOPLIFTING. 
          WE DON'T WANT THEM REALLY GETTING INTO THE NORMAL CALLS FOR SERVICE BECAUSE WHEN EVERYBODY GOES TO THOSE, THEN NOBODY'S ON THE ROAD TO ACTUALLY ENSURE THE SAFETY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IS IS THAT WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, THE BUY-IN TO GOOD BEHAVIOR BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE YOU'RE GONNA GET PULLED OVER. 
          SO IF WE DID HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS IMMEDIATE, THEY WOULD RESPOND, THEY COULD BE THERE UNTIL THE OTHER, UM, OFFICERS ON SHIFT GOT THERE AND THEN THEY COULD BE RELIEVED AND GO BACK TO, UM, THE ROAD AND, AND LOOKING FOR TRAFFIC INFRACTIONS. 
          SAME WITH COLLISIONS. 
          IF THERE'S A NEED FOR THEM TO GET THERE FAST, THEY CAN GET THERE. 
          THEY CAN SECURE THE SCENE, WAIT FOR OTHERS TO COME HELP AND THEN BE RELIEVED. 
          THEY ASSIST WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL, ALTHOUGH THAT WILL NOT BE THEIR PRIMARY FOCUS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN PROVIDE TRAFFIC CONTROL FOR US. 
          CSAS CSOS, OUR REGULAR OFFICERS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD PATROL. 
          SO TO UTILIZE THEM WOULD NOT BE US UTIL UTILIZING THEIR SKILLSET AND WHAT THEY PROVIDE BY HAVING THAT MOTORCYCLE. 
          UM, SO THE, THEY WILL BE A REALLY GREAT ADDITION IF YOU ALL GRANT IT TO, UM, REALLY HELP COMBAT SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE THAT ARE TRAFFIC RELATED. 
          YOU DONE CHIEF? UM, I'M LISTENING TO YOU HERE. 
          I'M NOT SEEING THE AGENDA BILL OR THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE DECISION PACKAGE. 
          THE SAME AS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS OFFICER WOULD NOT BE DOING REGULAR, UH, TRAFFIC PATROL AND BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER CALLS, BUT HERE HE SAYS, WHO WILL BE PROVIDING MUCH NEEDED ASSISTANCE WITH TRAFFIC RELATED ISSUES AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. 
          UH, SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA BE MORE SPECIFICALLY THE Y AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT, UH, RECENTLY ABOUT THE BACKUP. 
          AND AT THE Y REGARDLESS IT'S VERY POOR DESIGN, BUT THERE IS A BACKUP CAUSED BY, UH, THE SOUTHBOUND, UH, 89 
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A TO UH, THE Y AND THEY GET BOGGED UP IN THE CIRCLE AND THEY CAN'T GET DOWN TO 1 79 AND IT'S A BLOCKAGE. 
          UH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, WE, YOU WANNA, AGAIN, WE DISCUSSED ONE OF THE OFFICERS, ONE OF THE SERGEANTS DID SOMETHING PRETTY COOL, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING. 
          I DIDN'T SEE IT, UH, OPENED UP TRAFFIC WITH HER CAR. 
          SHE BLOCKED TRAFFIC TOOK, SHE KEPT THE ROAD FROM BEING, UH, BLOCKED AND ALLOWED TRAFFIC TO FLOW. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PERSON WHO'S EVER ASSIGNED TO IT TO BE MORE INTO TRAFFIC CONTROL SPECIFICALLY THERE. 
          AND I KNOW YOU SAID JUST NOW YOU HAVE THE CSO CSA THAT COULD COME AND DO THAT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA RESPOND AT THE SNAP OF FINGERS IF THERE'S A BLOCKAGE. 
          IT TAKES THEM A WHILE TO BE SET UP TO BE, UH, PULLED FROM ONE OTHER LO UH, LOCATION, WHETHER IT'S UPTOWN, WHETHER IT'S AT THE TO LOCKER PARKING CROSSWALK, WHEREVER YOU GET THEM. 
          CAUSE I GET THEM CONFUSED, WHICH WHO IS WHO, BUT TO GET THEM TO THE Y TO CLEAR UP TRAFFIC, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SEE. 
          AND THE COMMUNITY HAS HAS SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF, IT'S A, IT'S A PROBLEM AND I SEE IT AS A PROBLEM. 
          SO, BUT AND YOU HAVE IT HERE, IT SAYS HERE, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO PROVIDE MORE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE APPROACH TO TRAFFIC RELATED ISSUES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT, IT WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO PROVIDE VISUALLY DE TO VISUALLY DEMONSTRATE TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE A DEDICATED MOTOR OFFICER TO SUPPORT OUR PATROL TEAMS. I GET THAT AND I'M ALWAYS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          BUT WE NEED SOME, SOMEBODY THAT COULD BE OUT THERE, UH, MOVING THAT TRAFFIC AND I HAVE SEEN PERSONALLY AN OFFICER SITTING WITH THEIR BACK AGAINST THE Y LOOKING UP AT, UH, COOKS HILL WHILE THERE'S TRAFFIC BEHIND THEM. 
          NOW THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. 
          BUT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE FOCUS ON THAT INTERSECTION. 
          SO HOW WILL THIS OFFICER BE ABLE TO DO THAT ACCORDING TO THE, UH, DECISION PACKAGE. 
          SO IT WON'T JUST BE THIS OFFICER. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT WHEN UM, YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP THIS PERSON BEING DESIGNATED TO BE THERE. 
          WELL SOMEBODY, IT'S, YEAH. 
          SO WHAT I WAS SHARING WITH YOU THAT I SHARED WITH EVERYONE ELSE IS THAT THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERYBODY IN OUR DEPARTMENT TO ASSIST WITH TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO CONGESTION. 
          AND THAT'S NOT JUST OURS BECAUSE SOME OF THAT CONGESTION CAN COME FROM THE CROSSWALK WHICH YOU'VE STARTED LOOKING INTO, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. 
          GETTING THE, THE WALKWAY AND THAT SHOULD ASSIST. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE TCAS THAT HELP WITH TRAFFIC. 
          WE HAVE CSAS, WHICH LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD REPRESENTATION HOW MUCH THEY COULD ASSIST WITH IT. 
          AND THE SERGEANT, SERGEANT LEON THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO HAS DONE IT A HANDFUL OF TIMES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE HUNDREDS OF TIMES. 
          I DIDN'T SAY THAT IT'S AS NEEDED, WHICH WOULD CONTINUE TO BE OUR FOCUS, THAT AS NEEDED THAT METHOD COULD BE SHOWED TO OTHERS AND OR JUST FOR US TO ONLY FOCUS ON ONE AREA WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR US TO PROVIDE THE SAFETY THAT'S NEEDED TO OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE FULL CITY COVERAGE. 
          SO WE CAN'T PUT EVERYBODY IN ONE LOCATION AND FORGET THE REMAINDERS. 
          SO FOR US, TO YOUR POINT, IT WOULD BE GOOD THAT IF THE PA THE, UM, TRAFFIC'S BACKED UP A LOT THAT IT COULD START WITH A MOTOR OFFICER CUZ THEY COULD GET DOWN THERE AND ACTUALLY START THAT PROCESS. 
          THEN ONCE SOMEBODY ELSE COULD COME, THEY COULD TAKE OVER RELIEVING THAT PERSON AGAIN TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE CITY AS NEEDED. 
          AND SO THAT IS MY POINT IS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO ONLY MAKE THE REQUEST OF A MOTOR OFFICER TO BE TRAFFIC CONTROL BECAUSE PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE IS THE COLLISIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE INJURY OR NON-INJURY. 
          AND IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, COLLISIONS HAVE GONE UP. 
          AND A WAY TO TRY AND DO THAT IS TO GET PEOPLE TO DRIVE MORE CAREFULLY, UM, PAY ATTENTION TO THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS, THE RED LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, THE LEFT TURNS DOING THOSE WHEN THEY'RE NOT IDEAL. 
          SO THAT IS MORE THE FOCUS OF A MOTOR UNIT IN, IN THEIR REGULAR DUTIES IS TO PROVIDE ALL TRAFFIC RELATED ASSISTANCE. 
          SO THAT COULD BE, UM, TRAFFIC CONTROL, BUT IT'S ALSO ENFORCEMENT. 
          IT'S TAKING COLLISION REPORTS SO THEY RESPOND TO THE OTHER CALLS AS WELL. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT AGAIN, OUR RESPONSE TIME, IT HAS BEEN GOING UP MOSTLY DUE TO THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. 
          SO AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED TO RESPOND TO REGULAR CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          HOWEVER, IF THERE IS A CALL FOR SERVICE AND IT'S DOWN STATE ROUTE 1 79, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST PICK, WE'LL SAY THE CIRCLE K YEP. 
          OVER THERE BY SAMBAR AND THEY HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE TRAFFIC, THEY CAN GET THERE FASTER, GET THE INITIAL, UM, INFORMATION IF WE NEED TO START 
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LOOKING FOR THE SUSPECT, IF THEY FLED, THAT PERSON CAN HELP. 
          AND THEN WHEN THE OTHER UNITS CAN GET THROUGH THE TRAFFIC, THEY'LL TAKE OVER THE CALL AND THE, THE MOTOR OFFICER WOULD GO BACK TO REGULAR DUTIES. 
          AND, AND I'M FINE WITH ALL OF THAT AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE INITIAL RESPONSE TO TRAFFIC AND THE MOTOR OFFICER WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH TRAFFIC GOING DOWN COOKS HILL, ALTHOUGH THEY ALL, EVERYBODY DRIVES PD DRIVES DOWN THE CENTER, THE SUICIDE LANE TO GET WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          BUT EVEN SO FOR, I LIKE YOUR RESPONSE ABOUT THE INITIAL CONTACT, LET THAT PERSON SIT UP, UH, DIVERSION WHATEVER UNTIL SOMEBODY ELSE COMES. 
          IS THAT PART OF THE POLICY IS BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SERGEANT LEON SEEM, YOU KNOW, IS THE ONLY ONE DOING THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW, ARE MORE OFFICERS TAKING THAT INITIATIVE TO BREAK THAT TRAFFIC UP? CUZ IT COULD, IT COULD BE DONE IN A MATTER OF MINUTES, POSSIBLY 20 MINUTES MAYBE TO BREAK THE TRAFFIC UP, MAYBE NOT. 
          AND IF IT, IF IT TAKES A LONGER TIME, LET THE MOTOR OFFICER CALL FOR ASSISTANCE, HAVE SOMEONE ELSE TAKE OVER AND THEN THEY DO WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. 
          I'M FINE WITH ALL THAT. 
          WE JUST NEED THAT, UH, THE TRAFFIC BROKEN UP AT THE Y HOWEVER YOU DO IT, IT'S YOUR CALL. 
          YOU DO IT VERY WELL. 
          I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT. 
          IT'S JUST THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO SEE LESS, UH, TRAFFIC AT THAT Y AND MAYBE AND SOMEDAY WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS CUZ IT'S GONNA CONTINUE. 
          MAYBE IT'LL GET BETTER WITH THE UH, CLOCK POCKET CROSSING. 
          HOPEFULLY IT WILL. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, GONNA GET STUCK. 
          SO I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT THIS ISN'T ONLY A POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HELP WITH THIS. 
          SO LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE THE TCAS THAT ARE IN UPTOWN AND ALSO ON 1 79 ASSISTING. 
          I MEAN WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING ISSUES SO WE'RE REALLY SPREAD OUT. 
          SO THE WAY TO TRY TO ASSIST WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AND THE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES THAT COME IN WITH ALL OF OUR STAFF IS TO STRATEGIZE THE BEST PLAN TO DO THAT. 
          WE COULD BE AT THAT ROUNDABOUT EVERY DAY, ALL DAY. 
          YOU GUYS DRIVE IT, YOU SEE. 
          SO IT'S NOT FEASIBLE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMEBODY'S FULL-TIME JOB TO BE I'M NOT SAY WHY I SAID RESPONSE, SO NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN ABLE WE WOULD DO THAT JUST LIKE WE WOULD ANYWHERE ELSE AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND AND YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID IT TO WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, WHERE'S AN OFFICER WHEN YOU NEED ONE? AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CUZ WE CAN'T JUST BE ON 89 A, WE MIGHT BE AT A CALL. 
          SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE TO COVER THE CITY THAT MIGHT BE AT DIFFERENT THINGS, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, DIFFERENT CALLS FOR SERVICE TO DEDICATE ONE PERSON THAT WAY. 
          BUT WHEN WE STRATEGIZE OUR RESOURCES, PART OF IT IS IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO THAT WE BELIEVE WILL POSITIVELY IMPACT THE MOVEMENT, LIKE SERGEANT LEONE HAS DONE, AGAIN, ONLY A HANDFUL OF TIMES, SO IT'S NOT, SHE'S NOT OUT THERE EVERY DAY SHE WORKS. 
          NO, I GET IT. 
          SHE WORKS, YOU KNOW, THREE, MAYBE FOUR DAYS A UM, A WEEK DEPENDING ON THE WEEK THAT WE, WE HAVE OTHERS THAT ASSIST WITH IT. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO STRATEGIZE AS OTHER DEPARTMENTS TOO, HOW DO WE, HOW CHANGE SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC ISSUES BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE WHY YOU GUYS SEE IT COMING INTO UPTOWN, YOU SEE IT 1 79, YOU SEE IT COMING DOWN COOKS HILL. 
          I MEAN WITH ALL THE EVENTS THAT WE HOST, WE ARE GETTING BUSIER AND BUSIER AND OUR ROADS JUST ARET DESIGNED TO EXPAND. 
          SO EVEN WITH US DRIVING DOWN THE SUICIDE LANE, IT'S RARE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE I GET IT, IT ALSO CAN CREATE SAFETY ISSUES TO OTHERS THAT WANT TO USE THAT FOR A LEFT TURN LANE. 
          SO IT IS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. 
          BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT IS PART OF THE STRATEGY TO UTILIZE THEM TO ASSIST WHEN POSSIBLE OR WHEN THE DECISIONS MADE THAT THAT'S THE BEST USE OF OUR RESOURCES ON THAT DAY. 
          IF IT'S WE'RE HAVING ALL THESE COLLISIONS, THEY NEED TO DO THE COLLISIONS, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE AT THE Y WHICH ARE MINIMAL COLLISIONS CUZ YOU'RE NOT REALLY MOVING. 
          SO  AND I GET IT, MEANWHILE YOU HAVE THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING AROUND THE BEAT OF 50 MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE THAT'S FLOWING THE OTHER WAY. 
          SO WE NEED TO ALSO, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WHAT WE ALL DO IS CONSTANTLY STRATEGIZE AND WE DO HAVE TO LISTEN TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S FRUSTRATED. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A LOT MORE GOING ON THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT CONGESTION ITSELF. 
          BUT YEAH, IT'S PART OF THE THE PLAN TO, TO ASSIST AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT'S ON YOUR RADAR THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF IT. 
          IT'S JUST ALSO FOR THE FACT THAT WHEN I HEAR ANY EMPLOYEE, LET ALONE POLICE TAKE THAT KIND OF INITIATIVE, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. 
          THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH, WE'RE GONNA COIN IT, YOU KNOW, THE LEON METHOD OR SOMETHING. 
          HOW ABOUT INSTEAD OF THE Y THE LEON INTERSECTION? OH YEAH, YOU GUYS HEARD IT? YOU CAN VOTE ON IT ANOTHER DAY. 
          I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP YOUR TIME. 
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OKAY, SO LET'S MOVE ON. 
          UH, WELL AT LEAST WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M DONE. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, I THOUGHT YOUR MOVIE DON WITH THE POLICE. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THIS ADDRESS IS. 
          THE MIC. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          TALK SO LOUD. 
          I THOUGHT I DID NEITHER MIC. 
          UM, I'M VERY, I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD IN THE PAST AND TODAY ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY IN, UH, RESPONSE TIME THROUGH TRAFFIC. 
          AND THAT'S A PRIMARY CONCERN UPTOWN AND ON 1 79 FOR NOT AN INCONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF DAYS. 
          UM, SO I I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS WITH MORE MOTORCYCLE, MORE FLEXI BASICALLY PROVIDES MORE FLEXIBILITY TO RESPOND TO SITUATIONS BEFORE THEY GET OUT OF CONTROL. 
          IS ONE ENOUGH, I MEAN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS IN YOUR RADAR OR SOMETHING THAT WILL SORT OF CONTINUE TO BE A, A NEED BECAUSE RESPONSE TIME WOULD SEEM TO BE ONE OF THE ABSOLUTE PRIMARY, UM, END RESULTS. 
          IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE, OF THE TOP GOALS THAT YOU HAVE IS, IS RESPONSE TIME AND WOULD MORE, IS ONE ENOUGH OVER SAY THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS, DO YOU THINK? WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR VISION OF HOW THIS WILL PLAY IN WITH YOUR ENTIRE, UM, UH, VISION FOR HOW THE POLICE FORCE? CUZ I KNOW SOME PLACES THEY'RE ALL ON MOTORCYCLES, UH, MOTORCYCLES AND BIKES FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON. 
          SO I JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO TO YOUR POINT, WE DID TRY BICYCLES. 
          UM, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED DUE TO, UM, THE TRAVEL DISTANCE THAT YOU MIGHT NEED. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND THE EQUIPMENT WE NEED TO HAVE WITH US. 
          YEAH. 
          THE BICYCLES DON'T HANDLE IT AS WELL. 
          YOU'RE WEARING 150 POUNDS OF POT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SIGNING UP FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO IT DIDN'T WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT STILL IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GOOD THAT IF WE CAN GET SOMEBODY ON A BICYCLE IN UPTOWN, THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT FOCUS. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST FOR A VERY SPECIFIC LOCATION. 
          BUT TO YOUR POINT, WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD ONE MOTOR OFFICER ON FOR A YEAR NOW, SO HALF THE YEAR WE'VE SEEN WHAT HE'S BEEN ABLE TO DO, EVEN THOUGH HE'S STILL BEEN A FIELD TRAINING OFFICER. 
          SO HE OCCASIONALLY WILL GET IN A CAR AND TRAIN SOMEBODY THAT'S NEW TO US. 
          SO HE'S NOT BEEN FULLY ABLE TO BE DEDICATED TO THAT. 
          BUT WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HE'S BEEN ABLE TO ASSIST WITH, WITH THE TIME AND SOME OF HIS EFFORTS AND, UM, ENFORCEMENT AND JUST ASSISTING WITH CALLS IN GENERAL AND WE'VE REALLY LIKED IT. 
          SO I THINK WHEN WE SEE THIS SECOND ONE AND WE HAVE THE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK COVERAGE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IF, IF WE KIND OF STRUCK GOLD ON AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN TRAVEL THE CITY A LITTLE BETTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING SO WELL YOU, YOU MUST BE IN MY HEAD AND THINKING ABOUT MY FUTURE PLANS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT I'M TOTALLY IN YOUR HEAD. 
          I LIKE TO, I LIKE TO DO SOME OF THE RESEARCH FIRST BEFORE MAKING YOU ALL BUY OFF ON IT. 
          TOO MUCH. 
          GOOD IDEA. 
          PETE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          THANKS CHIEF. 
          AND AND YOUR STAFF. 
          UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME. 
          I, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING THROUGH YOUR BENCHMARKS AND YOUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND I, IT'S JUST RICH WITH DATA AND I LOVE IT AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT, WELL FIRST I WANNA ASK, WERE THE BIKE THAT WE OFFERING E-BIKES AT THE TIME,  E-BIKES MIGHT BE A BETTER SOLUTION. 
          NO, WE DIDN'T. 
          I'M ENJOYING MINE. 
          THEY WENT AROUND BACK THEN. 
          I KNOW I CAN GET THROUGH TOWN FASTER ON MY E-BIKE THAN I CAN. 
          I LOVE YOUR GOAL ABOUT NO, UH, EMPLOYEE TURNOVER. 
          THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT. 
          YOU GOTTA TRY, YOU GOTTA TRY. 
          AND I'M CURIOUS WHETHER YOU KNOW MORE IF, IF YOU KNOW A SECRET THAT I DON'T KNOW WHY DUI ARRESTS ARE GOING UP. 
          IS IT REALLY, MY QUESTION IS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER MOTOR OFFICER, IS THAT WHAT MAKES YOU THEN GENERATE, WILL BE ABLE TO DO MORE AND MY GOAL WENT UP? OR ARE YOU SEEING SOME TYPE OF TREND IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT? YES, TO ALL THE ABOVE. 
          SO IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF, IT'S A TWO-PRONGED. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE ABLE TO FOCUS ON DUI ENFORCEMENT, WHICH AGAIN WOULD BE ONE OF THE MOTOR RESPONSIBILITIES ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, I MEAN, THIS IS A JOB FOR ALL OF US, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY HAVE THAT ABILITY TO FOCUS ON IT, YOU TEND TO FIND MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UNTIL PEOPLE LEARN THAT, UM, IF THEY DRIVE DRUNK THAT THEY WILL HAVE REPERCUSSIONS, THEN THEY'LL KEEP DOING IT. 
          YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU, YOU GET AWAY WITH IT ONCE, TWICE, 10 TIMES 20, YOU'LL TRY IT AGAIN. 
          BUT THE MORE THAT WE CAN BE OUT THERE AGAIN AS A DETERRENT OR AS AN ENFORCER, THEN WE'LL SEE THE NUMBERS GO UP FOR A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT IDEALLY WE WOULD THEN SEE OVER TIME THEM COME BACK DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT 
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MAKES SENSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SUPER IMPRESSED AT THE LOW CALLS FOR SERVICE PER SWORN FTE THAT WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN. 
          I THINK THAT'S A NUMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, NEEDS MORE TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE WAY BELOW THE ICMA STANDARDS FOR THAT. 
          UH, YEAH, AND I WOULD JUST SAY ON THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND INTERESTING IS WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY BY PROVIDING SERVICE IS WHAT I SEE A LOT OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS NOT REALLY DO AS MUCH ANYMORE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DRIVING AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE SEE, UM, A GARAGE DOOR OPEN, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE LIKELY BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE TIME FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS PROACTIVELY TO GO TRY AND GET THE, SEE IF THE PERSON KNOWS THAT THEY LEFT THAT OPEN OR YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS SILLY AS A TRASHCAN TURNED OVER, WE CAN STOP AND TURN IT BACK OVER, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE WHAT WE PROVIDE TO OUR CITY IS ALSO WHAT I THINK OUR CITY'S LOOKING FOR IS MORE INTERACTION AND ENGAGEMENT AND SERVICE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT WON'T EVEN TAKE NON-INJURY COLLISIONS ANYMORE. 
          IF IT'S NOT, THEN THEY'LL CALL IN, THEY'LL GET A REPORT NUMBER AND THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY. 
          WE STILL RESPOND TO THOSE. 
          WE ACTUALLY STILL RESPOND, WHICH ARE NOT IN HERE FOR NUMBERS. 
          PRIVATE PROPERTY COLLISIONS, WHICH ARE NOT ON THE HIGHWAY, BUT PEOPLE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY HAVE TO EXCHANGE. 
          SO WE GO TO THOSE AND SPEND THE TIME, BUT AS OUR STAFFING INCREASES AND GETS TO FULL, YOU SEE THE PRODUCTIVITY GO UP AS WELL. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE MORE ENTICED TO DO MORE WHEN THEY BELIEVE THEIR BACKUP AND OTHERS ARE, ARE SUPPORTING THEM AND THAT THEY CAN DO THE WORK TO THAT POINT. 
          UH, TAGGING THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, WHAT'S THAT? ARE YOU TAGGING ON? I AM, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, I JUST, I AGREE WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I HAVEN'T SHARED THIS WITH YOU OR OR KAREN YET, BUT I'VE RECEIVED PHONE CALLS FROM ACROSS THE CITY, BUT MORE RECENTLY PEOPLE CALLING ME AND SAYING, I'VE SEEN A POLICE CAR IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THEY'RE JUST PATROLLING AND IT'S GREAT. 
          THE FEEDBACK IS GREAT. 
          THERE'S A DEFINITE, UH, INCREASE IN VISIBILITY. 
          SO IT'S EXACTLY TO YOUR POINT. 
          I THINK I THANK YOU. 
          SO GO AHEAD PETE. 
          INVESTIGATIONS, THE NUMBERS BOUNCE UP QUITE UP AND DOWN QUITE A BIT. 
          WE WENT FROM 1 90 23 PROJECTION TO 124 PROJECTION. 
          IS THAT JUST CAUGHT MY ATTENTION THAT THAT WAS A BIG, THAT'S UH, PAGE EIGHT, PD EIGHT, SMALL PRINT. 
          WILL YOU SAY IT AGAIN JUST SO I CAN LOOK ONE MORE TIME? TOTAL CASES LOOKING AT ASSIGNED FELONY MISDEMEANOR FIRST LINE. 
          SO WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST HALF OF WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          I, YOU KNOW, SO THIS YEAR WE'VE HAD TWO IN OUR INVESTIGATIONS UNIT LAST YEAR WE HAD ONE FOR A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, SOMETIMES IT'S BASED ON STAFFING, SO WHAT WE CAN TURN OVER TO OUR INVESTIGATION UNIT THAT MIGHT HAVE TO STAY IN PATROL SOMETIMES THAT ALSO CAN ADJUST THE NUMBERS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THING ABOUT POLICE WORK IS WE CAN DO PROACTIVE, BUT A LOT OF IT CAN ALSO BE REACTIVE BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT TYPES OF CRIMES ARE GOING ON. 
          SO WE PLAY A PART IN SOME OF IT AND OTHERS, WE, WE TAKE CALLS. 
          UM, SO IT, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO ALWAYS JUSTIFY SOME OF THE NUMBERS BECAUSE, UM, DEPENDING ON WHO VISITS HERE OR WHO'S HERE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING REALLY, UM, CHANGES OUR, OUR YEAR OF, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF DOINGS, BUT I THINK YOU FOLLOWED ME ANOTHER THING JUST TO CALL OUT OVERALL IN THE OVERALL CITY VALUE, THE, UH, HOW MUCH THIS IS AN INVESTIGATIONS, OUR CLEARANCE RATE IS JUST WAY ABOVE THE STANDARDS AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE SUPER PROUD ABOUT. 
          I LOVE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS. 
          MY LAST COMMENT QUESTION IS, UH, THERE ARE A FEW OTHER BLANKS IN YOUR BENCHMARKS AND I KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE NATIONAL STANDARDS, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO INFORM US OF WHAT YOU THINK A GOOD, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A, A NATIONAL STANDARD, BUT YOU HAVE A STANDARD. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS AND KNOW HOW OUR NUMBERS ARE TRACKING AGAINST HOW YOU'D LIKE TO SEE YOUR DEPARTMENT PERFORM. 
          SO THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          WELCOME. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          QUICK QUESTION. 
          CHIEF, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THE ARIZONA RANGERS IN WALKING IN UPTOWN. 
          I I DON'T HAVE THEM. 
          THEY DO WELL. 
          AND HOW DOES THAT, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S HELPING TO SUPPLEMENT, I MEAN, DO THEY REPORT TO YOU? DO THEY HAVE A RADIO THEY CALL? I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING NEW AND I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. 
          UH, THEY, THEY DON'T REPORT TO US. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING CURRENTLY BETWEEN OUR TWO ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO THEY ARE DOING IT BASED ON, UM, THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE. 
          LIEUTENANT WALK RECENTLY HAD A MEETING WITH ONE OF THE PEOPLE THERE, 
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AND WE ARE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN OUR TWO, UM, THE DEPARTMENTS TO SEE WHAT THE FUTURE WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          BUT THE ARIZONA RANGERS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND, UM, THEY'RE NOT OPERATING UNDER OUR POLICIES OR ANY OF OUR PROCEDURES AND OR VISION. 
          UM, THEY'RE OUT THERE, UM, ON, ON THEIR DEPARTMENT, UM, TIME AND TRYING TO PROVIDE A RESOURCE THAT I THINK THAT THEY OVERLY ALL OVER OVERALL BELIEVE IS ASSISTING US, BUT IT'S WITHOUT, UM, INPUT. 
          SO I I, WHAT I HOPE HAPPENS IS IN THE FUTURE WE CAN SIT DOWN AS A GROUP BETWEEN A FEW PEOPLE ON, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SIDE AND THEIR SIDE AND SEE WHAT, IF ANYTHING THAT WE WANT TO, TO DO TOGETHER TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S NOT, UM, A MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING THAT'S CURRENTLY OKAY. 
          BEING USED OR ANYTHING. 
          I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM IF ONE OF 'EM CALLED FOR HELP AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY'RE THERE. 
          SO, UH, BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE IN TUNE WITH IT. 
          MY LAST QUESTION IS, WITH THE, UH, RETIREMENT OF SERGEANT DOMINGUEZ, YOU, ARE YOU SEEING INTEREST FROM WITHIN THE RANKS OR IS IT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT OUT FOR AND HIRE LATERALLY? ANY, ANY EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR THE TOO EARLY? SO SERGEANT DOMINGUEZ, HIS POSITION'S NOT BEING REFILLED AS A SERGEANT, UM, HE ACTUALLY IS SERVING IN THE CAPACITY AS AN OFFICER RIGHT NOW WITH STILL HIS, HIS, UM, RANK RANK AS FAR AS WHAT HE'S BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE. 
          AND HE'S DOING SOME FINAL PROJECTS FOR US AND ASSISTING ON PATROL ON TIME, ASSISTING WITH BACKGROUNDS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          BUT, UM, WHEN, WHEN HE RETIRES, WE'LL BE HIRING BACK AN OFFICER POSITION, NOT A SERGEANT. 
          UH, WHAT WE DID WITH WORKING WITH KAREN WAS, UH, REORGANIZE OUR DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A DEPUTY CHIEF AND TWO LIEUTENANTS. 
          SO WE BASICALLY TOOK ONE OF THE SERGEANT POSITIONS AND MOVED IT TO A LIEUTENANT BASED ON OUR NEEDS WITH A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY PROGRAMS THAT WERE GOING ON THAT REALLY WEREN'T BEING MET WITH, UM, A FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR. 
          GREAT. 
          I'M ENCOURAGED BY THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, SHERRY? SO, UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE DECISION PACKAGES AND I JUST WANTED TO JUST CHECK IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OTHER TWO DECISION PACKAGES. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE GRANTS AND ONLY INTENDED IF THE GRANT FUNDING IS RECEIVED. 
          NOPE. 
          AND THE VICE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION CHIEF, WHAT, UH, WHAT SHOULD WE BE AWARE OF? ARE THERE ANY TRENDS? UH, YOU KNOW, I READ THE POLICE BLOT OR TWICE A DAY AND I SEE A LOT, AND I'VE SAW THIS LAST YEAR TOO, OF HOMELESS THAT ARE TRESPASSING MOSTLY IS THE CRIME. 
          UH, IT CONTINUES TO BE AN INCREASING NUMBER IN MY VIEW FROM READING ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON A DAILY BASIS, INCREASING NUMBER OF, OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          UM, ARE YOU SEEING THAT IN, IN YOUR VIEW AS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT? AND ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS A POTENTIAL TREND THAT YOU WANNA MAKE US AWARE OF? WELL, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE THAT HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR SEEM, UM, HEIGHTENED LIKE, UH, THE HOMELESS POPULATION THAT WHEN THE WEATHER'S NICER HERE, UM, PEOPLE TEND TO COME HERE. 
          SO WHEN IT HEATS UP, UM, TYPICALLY PEOPLE WILL LOOK FOR OTHER LOCATIONS THAT CAN HELP MEET NEEDS, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT AS OVERLY ESCALATED TO WHERE I WOULD PUT A LOT OF OUR EFFORTS. 
          I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WORK A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES TO IT. 
          SO WITH OUR PATROL TEAM, FOR THEM TO BE OUT AND ABOUT TO KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE, THEIR MOVEMENTS AND JUST KNOW WHEN SOMETHING CHANGES OR MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT COMES INTO TOWN ISN'T HERE FOR THE RIGHT REASONS OF JUST WANTING TO ENJOY THE BEAUTY AND SOME OF THE OFFERINGS THAT THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR, CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY. 
          THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE STREET REALLY KEEP A GOOD, UM, A GOOD FOCUS ON ON THAT AND JUST KIND OF WATCHING SOME OF THE TRENDS AND A LOT OF, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE DO STAY ACTIVE TO KNOW WHEN SOMEBODY NEW COMES TO TOWN OR WHEN SOMEBODY'S UP TO NOT AS GOOD AND THEY, THEY FOCUS THEIR EFFORTS THAT WAY. 
          UM, BUT WITH TRESPASSING, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS WHERE YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF 'EM, BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE WILL COME IN BECAUSE THE, THE OWNERS DON'T WANT THEM ON THEIR PROPERTY ANYMORE. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE NO LONGER JUST ASKING FOR, FOR MONEY OR SITTING PEACEFULLY. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME DIFFERENT LAYERS OF ENGAGEMENT THAT ARE GOING ON THAT ARE JUST FRUSTRATING TO THEIR 
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CUSTOMER BASE. 
          SO TYPICALLY THAT'S WHEN WE INTERCEDE AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO THE, THE NICETY OF SAYING, HEY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANT YOU ON PROPERTY ANYMORE. 
          IF YOU RETURN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE ARRESTED. 
          AND, AND OUR HOPE IS THAT THEY TAKE THAT AND MOVE ALONG. 
          HOWEVER, WHAT CAN HAPPEN IS A CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL COULD BE TRESPASSED FROM 10 DIFFERENT PLACES AND REALLY START HAVING LOCATIONS THEY CAN GO HINDERED AND THEN THAT MIGHT MOVE ON SOME OF THE MORE TRANSIENT TYPE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS TO MOVE ON BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR RESOURCES ARE DRIED UP. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. 
          IT, IT'S NOT A ONE WAY, UM, APPROACH TO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT LAYERS OF INDIVIDUALS LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT NEEDS TO BE MET. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALSO THE TIME OF YEAR WHERE WE SEE SOME OTHER CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY POP UP AS FAR AS OUR TRAILHEADS WHERE PEOPLE ARE CHECKING THE DOOR HANDLES OR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR CARS NOT BEING LOCKED, JUST TO GET IN AND EVEN TAKE YOUR, YOUR CHANGE OR WHATEVER'S ACCESSIBLE. 
          SO WE, WHEN, WHEN THE WEATHER'S NICE, WHEN SCHOOL'S OUT, WHEN YOU HAVE CERTAIN THINGS, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN SEE WE NEED TO, TO SHIFT WHAT OUR FOCUS IS. 
          AND IT CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND SOMETIMES WE'RE AHEAD OF IT BY KNOWING, LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS YEARS AND SOMETIMES A CALL WILL COME OUT AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          SO WE START OVERLY FOCUSING IN THAT DIRECTION, UM, TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, THIS HAPPENED ONCE, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT HAPPENING FIVE MORE TIMES. 
          SO LET'S DO THIS. 
          SO, UM, LIEUTENANT WALK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND SOME OF THE THINGS FOR PATROL MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 
          SO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE'VE BEEN HAVING, I CALL 'EM CHALLENGES. 
          UM, NOT EVERYTHING'S A PROBLEM, IS WE ALSO HAVE IDENTIFIED IT'S, UM, I I WOULD SAY THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT USED TO BE CONSIDERED HOMELESS OR TRANSIENT HAS CHANGED. 
          SO WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE, UM, LIVING IN A VEHICLE INTENTIONALLY THAT ARE PART OF OUR WORKFORCE OR TRANSFER BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN OUR BEDROOM COMMUNITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THEY'RE TECHNICALLY ALSO TRANSIENT. 
          SO IT ISN'T JUST, UH, THE TRADITIONAL WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT SOMEONE MAYBE CARRYING A BACKPACK OR LIVING BEHIND A TREE OR A BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO SOME OF THOSE ARE A CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING. 
          WHAT WE HAVE GOING FOR US ON PATROL IS THAT WE'RE VERY IN TOUCH WITH WHAT'S GOING ON ON OUR STREETS, QUOTE UNQUOTE. 
          UM, IF, IF WE HAVE A, AN MAYBE A SHOPLIFTING, UM, SUSPECT OR SOMEONE WE'VE CAUGHT ON A CAMERA, MAYBE ON SOMEONE'S PORCH, IT TAKES GENERALLY LESS THAN ONE ENTIRE SHIFT FOR US TO IDENTIFY THEM. 
          SO, UM, THE CHIEF MIGHT WEIGH IN AND BE LIKE, OH, I KNOW THAT GUY'S NAME'S TOM. 
          SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT KNOW HIS LAST NAME, THEY KNOW HIS CAR. 
          THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          PART OF WHAT WE ALSO EXPERIENCED WITH THE CHIEF SAID IS GENUINE. 
          UM, THEY'RE UH, ALMOST NOMADIC AS FAR AS WEATHER GOES, SO THEY MIGHT BE IN FLAGSTAFF. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN DEALING SOME PEOPLE FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, SO ALMOST 20 YEARS. 
          AND I KNOW 'EM AND THEY'RE STILL CONSIDERED HOMELESS. 
          VERY NICE PLACE TO BE HOMELESS. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE DRAW. 
          HOWEVER, UM, IT DOES TAX OUR RESOURCES CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT WE, WE WOULD TRADITIONALLY SEE WITH, YOU KNOW, A HOMELESS COMMUNITY AND, AND THINGS WE CAN PROVIDE. 
          SO THEY ARE TRANSIENT IN NATURE AS FAR AS, AS WELL AS NOMADIC. 
          BUT WE HAVE A VERY, UM, I WOULD SAY A GOOD RAPPORT WITH THEM AS WELL. 
          THEY DON'T CONSIDER US TO BE HEAVY HANDED. 
          OF COURSE NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE PLEASED WITH BEING CONTACTED, BUT BY AND LARGE, UM, WE'RE DEALING WITH, UH, TRESPASSING. 
          SO CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO CRIMES AGAINST A PERSON TO ME IS ALWAYS PREFERABLE OF COURSE, UNLESS IT'S YOUR PROPERTY AND THEN IT BECOMES MORE FRUSTRATING. 
          SO, UM, SO WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD HANDLE ON IT. 
          WE DO HAVE NEW FOLKS THAT SHOW UP ALSO. 
          ONE THING THAT WE HAVE IS THEY ARE FAIRLY SELF-REGULATING AS A COMMUNITY. 
          SO THEY DO NOT WANT SOMEONE TO BE CAUSING TROUBLE AND DRAWING ATTENTION TO, TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO THEY DO SELF-REGULATE. 
          WE DO SEE PEOPLE MOVE ON. 
          WE HAVE HAD, AND IT'S GENERALLY AGE RELATED OF COURSE, AS IF YOU'RE YOUNGER AND MAYBE A LITTLE MORE FULL OF SPUNK, UM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CAUSE SOME MORE TROUBLES OR BE MORE AGGRESSIVE AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY WILL ACTUALLY KIND OF HELP THEM MOVE ON TO ANOTHER GREENER PASTURE PERHAPS. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SUCCESSES I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD IN DEALING WITH THIS. 
          UM, I DON'T, TO THE CHIEF'S POINT, I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN A HUGE UPTICK, BUT WE ALSO HAVE NOT SEEN A DECREASE. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE A FAIRLY STABLE, UM, NUMBER OF, OF OUR, YOU KNOW, MORE PERMANENT. 
          I KNOW IT SOUNDS WEIRD TO SAY PERMANENT TRANSIENT, BUT WE HAVE A MORE STABLE NUMBER OF THAT. 
          DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, THANK YOU LIEUTENANT. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TOUCH BRIEFLY CUZ IT'S GETTING TIME FOR OUR LUNCH, THE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU HAVE DOWN HERE IS AN IMPERATIVE. 
          IT I AGREE. 
          UH, HAS ANYTHING BEEN, I MEAN I, I'M READING THE, THE, THE, THE PAPER HERE. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES. 
          YOU, LAST YEAR YOU TALKED ABOUT WORKING WITH SEDONA FIRE CUZ IT'S VERY SIMILAR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          I COULDN'T IMAGINE THAT THE FEAR IN AN OFFICER'S MIND AND IN THEIR BODY IF THEY GET TO THEIR RADIO AND THEY CAN'T PULL FOR HELP, EVEN IF CELL PHONES IS REALLY BAD. 
          SO 
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WHAT, WHERE ARE YOU WITH THIS OTHER THAN WHAT IS, UH, WRITTEN? SO THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, I'LL HAVE OUR COMMUNICATION SUPERVISOR STEP UP TO THE MIC, WHICH SHE'LL ENJOY, BUT SHE'S READY JUST TO SHARE, UH, WHERE WE ARE IN, IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. 
          BUT JUST WHILE SHE'S WALKING UP, IT CONTINUES TO BE A CONCERN OF OURS THAT WITH, BASED ON OUR DEMOGRAPHIC AND AND GEOLOGICAL AREA AND ALL THE THINGS AND CHALLENGES THAT YOU CAN HAVE, THAT OUR RADIOS STILL ARE JUST NOT WHERE WE'D LIKE THEM TO BE. 
          HOW SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT COME IN ARE THE EQUIPMENT GETTING TO US, UM, HOW LONG THE DELAYS ARE TO HAVE IT BUILT TO SHIP. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGE. 
          I AM SADDENED THAT IT'S STILL IN PHASE ONE AFTER MANY YEARS. 
          THAT'S MY POINT, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MOVE AHEAD IN THE RATE THAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OUR HANDS THAT, UM, DO COME INTO EFFECT. 
          SO, UM, I'LL LET ERIN JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT CURRENTLY AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK US. 
          BUT SHORT END OF OF THE ANSWER IS WE'RE NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE, RIGHT? IT CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGE AND WE ARE NOT GONNA, UM, GIVE THIS UP UNTIL WE GET TO A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE FEELS SAFE AND OUR RADIOS WORK TO WHAT THEY SHOULD. 
          HI, ERIN. 
          HI. 
          GOOD MORNING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UM, I'M THE COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISOR AND OVERSEE THE, UM, PROJECT. 
          I KIND OF INHERITED THE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UH, C I P I WILL TELL YOU THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UM, BUDGET WHEN THIS WAS CREATED, IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 60% COMPLETED IN PHASE ONE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S AROUND 75% AS OF TODAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN FINALLY ORDERED. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE THE MAJORITY LIKE, UH, 95% OF IT IN OUR POSSESSION. 
          UH, I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM THE SUPPLIER YESTERDAY WHO STATED THAT THE OUTSTANDING THREE ITEMS THAT ARE ON BACK ORDER WILL BE IN OUR POSSESSION IN THE NEXT, UM, COUPLE OF WEEKS, HE SAID BY THE END OF THE MONTH. 
          UH, SO THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE DO HAVE IS WITH BOB AND SEDONA FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO'S BEEN WORKING WITH HE'S A CONCERNED YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND HE'S, UM, BEEN, UM, PROGRAMMING IT. 
          SO AS SOON AS EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN, HE'S ASSURED US THAT HE BELIEVES THAT PHASE ONE WILL FINALLY COME TO COMPLETION IN LIKE JULY OR AUGUST AND IT'LL BE DONE. 
          SO IS WHEN YOU SAY EQUIPMENT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HANDHELD UNITS OR THE EQUIPMENT ON THE TOWERS? EQUIPMENT ON THE TOWERS. 
          AND IT'S ALSO CONSOLES THAT GO INTO ACTUAL DISPATCH. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED IN ORDER FOR PHASE ONE TO EVEN BE COMPLETED, WHICH IS WHY IT'S IMPERATIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          OR WAS IMPERATIVE. 
          YES. 
          AND I'M JUST CONCERNED, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG BOB IS GONNA BE WITH SEDONA FIRE. 
          THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S A, YEAH, HE DOES HAVE SOMEONE ELSE NEW WITH HIM. 
          HE BROUGHT IN, UM, WHEN HE CAME AND PICKED UP THE EQUIPMENT. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE, I HOPE SO ON, ON THAT ISSUE. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO A VOLUNTEER THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, A SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT VOLUNTEER. 
          HE IS A RETIRED ENGINEER THAT SPECIALIZE IN RADIO AND THE PRIVATE SPEC FABULOUS SECTOR. 
          SO HE'S BEEN HELPING OUT. 
          I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE THIS PUT OFF ANY LONGER THAN IT HAS TO BE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THANK I APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SHERRY OR THE CHIEF? ALL RIGHT. 
          HEARING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU TO THE, THE ENTOURAGE. 
          JUST THANK YOU FOR THE WORK ON THE EVACUATION PLANNING. 
          WELL THAT WAS, YES. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT WAS A WHOLE TEAM EFFORT TOO, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I GOT A GOOD TEAM, SO THANK YOU. 
          YOU REALLY DO HAVE A GOOD, I WANTED THEM TO EXPERIENCE THE BUDGET AND, AND KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF YOUR DIRECTION AND I REALLY WANT THEM TO, TO SEE EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WORKS, NOT JUST THE THE FIELD STUFF STUFF, THE FUN STUFF. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME OF THE, THE OTHER THINGS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR NEW STAFF. 
          THEY'RE PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 45 MINUTE BREAK. 
          CAN I ASK SHERRY, HOW LONG, FAR BEHIND WE ARE SHERRY? UM, WE ARE ABOUT HALF HOUR BEHIND. 
          LET'S, LET'S, LET'S DO IT AT 30. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO BE OPTIMISTIC, SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          BECAUSE THE FOOD, IT OCCURRED TO ME WHILE I WAS DRIVING TO MY DOCTOR. 
          THE REAL PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE WHOLE WATER WORDS THAT WERE NOT THE ONES I WANTED, I WAS GETTING A COPIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE WE LIVE? YES. 
          MAD CLERK. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SHERRY, CAN YOU GET US BACK ON TRACK? I WILL TRY MY DAMNEST. 
          STOP THOSE FINGERS. 
          AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THE BLOOD PART ASKING DO, RIGHT? THAT'S 
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TRUE. 
          TRUE. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST SAY HELLO ROBERT. 
          WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          GREAT TO BE HERE. 
          ALWAYS HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR UPDATES, SO GO FOR IT, SHERRY. 
          OKAY, SO, UM, HERE WE HAVE THE SUMMARY CHANGES FOR TRANSIT. 
          UM, AND SO WHAT'S IN, IN THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE AS BEEN PROVIDED IN YOUR BOOKS? UM, THE FISCAL YEAR 23, UM, DIRECT WAS, UM, ABOUT 2.5 MILLION, GOING TO ABOUT 2.8. 
          I DO HAVE A FOOTNOTE THERE SAYING THAT WE DO NEED TO ADD ANOTHER 56,005 20 TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE GOT LATE WORD FROM CITY OF COTTONWOOD ABOUT, UM, INCREASES IN COSTS FOR THE VERDE SHUTTLE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS LIKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES THAT ARE IN THERE, UM, THERE'S A, A SHIFT IN THE AMOUNTS FOR TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE AND THEN WITH THE MICRO TRANSIT COMING ON BOARD. 
          UM, SO, UH, ROBERT CAN TALK MORE TO THIS IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT THERE'S A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE CONTRACT WITH MV TRANSPORT THAT'S FIXED COSTS THAT WOULD THEN BE SPREAD OVER BOTH SERVICES. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S AN ADJUSTMENT THERE. 
          UM, AND, UH, THERE'S A DECISION PACKAGE, UM, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT ONE TIME COSTS, AND WE DID DO A SHIFT ON, UM, THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT THEY USE, THE ITS SYSTEM THAT, THAT ROBERT CAN EXPLAIN THAT WE HAD PUT IT IN IT BUDGET, BUT IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN IT AND ROBERT'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          SO HE SAID IT REALLY SHOULD BE UNDER HIS, UM, BUDGET FOR MANAGING THAT. 
          THE PERCENTAGE CHANGE IS 15% IN TOTAL, AND THE ONGOING PORTION IS A 12% INCREASE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE'RE ADDING NEW SERVICE LEVEL, THAT'S GO YES, GO AHEAD. 
          THANKS SHERRY. 
          UM, THE ADDED EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE OF 2 36 K, UH, JUST TALKING IN PRACTICAL TERMS, WHAT'S THAT REPRESENT? IS THAT RESERVING FOR ONE VEHICLE, TWO VEHICLES? LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST IN PRACTICAL TERMS, WE HAVE FIVE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. 
          TO YOUR QUESTION, SHERRY, UM, THAT IS A RESERVE, I THINK YOU PUT IN FOR THE, OUR CURRENT TR OUR CURRENT FLEET TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES, YES. 
          SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE EQUIVALENT TO, WITH TODAY'S PRICE IS ABOUT ONE BUS. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, SO THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE SETTING THAT UP. 
          THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES WERE ACQUIRED IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, AND SO IN THE PREVIOUS BUDGET CYCLE THERE WERE NO ASSETS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TO SET UP. 
          SO NOW THAT THERE ARE, NOW WE'RE ADDING RESERVE, THOSE HAVE A SEVEN YEAR USEFUL LIFE, SO, OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          ON, ON THE, UM, THE, ITS ANNUAL SOFTWARE LICENSE. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS THAT'S MOVING FROM IT INTO TRANSIT, BUT I NOTICED THAT WE'VE MADE OTHER CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET WHERE WE'VE MOVED THINGS FROM DEPARTMENTS INTO IT. 
          WHY IS THIS ONE DIFFERENT? UM, SO THIS ONE IS, UM, VERY SPECIALIZED. 
          UM, SOMETHING THAT IT IS JUST NOT INVOLVED WITH AT ALL. 
          UM, AND SO ROBERT, SO YOU LEFT IT IN THAT BUDGET? YEAH. 
          DEALING WITH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT DOES MAKE MORE SENSE. 
          YOU KNOW, I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE PROCUREMENT, I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE WHOLE, UH MM-HMM. 
           SETTING UP OF THE PROCESS. 
          SO BASICALLY I'M ADMINISTERING THE CONTRACT FOR, FOR THAT, SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT'S INCLUSIVE FOR BOTH YOUR FIXED ROUTE, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES AND ALSO FOR THE ON-DEMAND MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT, THAT, UH, PLATFORM WILL SUPPORT BOTH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD VICE MA'AM. 
          UH, YOU REALLY THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO START THE ON DEMAND SHUTTLES IN SEPTEMBER? HOW, HOW ARE YOU PROGRESSING WITH OBTAINING THEM? YEAH, SO THE MANUFACTURERS STILL HAVE NOT COMMITTED TO A BUILD SCHEDULE. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST NEW ENGLAND WHEELS, IT'S ALL THE BUS MANUFACTURERS. 
          SO THE WHOLE STATE'S GOT IS HOLDING THEIR BREATH ON THIS, WAITING FOR THESE, UH, COMMITMENTS FROM THE MANUFACTURERS. 
          I HEARD OCTOBER, SEPTEMBER, UM, BACK WHEN I PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER, I ASSUMED A SEPTEMBER START THAT MAY NOT COME TO FRUITION. 
          WE MAY GET PUSHED BACK EVEN LATER IN THE FALL, SO I'M TUNING IN EVERY DAY TRYING TO GET AN UPDATE. 
          UM, THE LATEST HA LATEST, UH, ONE WE GOT FROM THE, UH, 
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CREATIVE BUS WAS THE MANUFACTURER SAID THIS YEAR . 
          SO, UH, CALENDAR YEAR. 
          YEAH, , I, I FORGOT TO ASK IF IT WAS THIS CALENDAR YEAR. 
          I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, BUT YEAH, SO I WISH I HAD MORE, SO, SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          I WAS THINKING THIS MORNING WHEN JOSH WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LACK OF PARKING AT POSSE GROUNDS AND ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE DOING THERE, AND THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF, IF, UM, PEOPLE COULD GO ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND LEAVE THEIR CAR SOMEWHERE. 
          NOW IT'S NOT FOR THE SHUTTLE, ALTHOUGH THEY MAY BE PARKING IN THE SHUTTLE BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PARK. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE FOR, FOR, UH, RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND ACTIVITIES. 
          UH, MICRO TRANSIT ASIDE, WHEN ARE WE THINKING THAT WE WOULD HAVE BUS ROUTES THAT WERE NOT TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE ROUTES EXCLUSIVELY? YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, IF I WERE TO ANSWER THAT BY FOLLOWING THE, UH, SEDONA AREA TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, I COULD TELL YOU A LOT OF THINGS THAT PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA HAPPEN IN THE TA IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT THE CO CONSULTANTS SAID THEY MAY HAPPEN. 
          UH, THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDING ISSUES, UM, THAT WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF, PARTICULARLY WITH LIKE THE VOC ROUTE ROUTES UP INTO THE CANYON. 
          WE'RE GONNA NEED, UH, PARTICIPATION FROM YAVAPAI, COCONINO COUNTY TO PAY HELP, PAY FOR THOSE OPERATING COSTS. 
          CERTAINLY WE CAN OPERATE IT WE MAY BE ABLE TO BRING IN FEDERAL FUNDING TO HELP FUND IT, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, IN MY VIEW, UNLESS THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO PICK UP THE TAB ON ALL OF THAT, THEY NEED TO STEP UP AND HELP US WITH LOCAL MATCH. 
          UM, AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME WORK. 
          KAREN MAY HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT ON THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S KINDA WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          HAVE WE APPROACHED, I MEAN, IS THIS TOO EARLY OR ARE WE STARTING, WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL DIALOGUES, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S, WE, WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT, UM, AS TIME MOVES FORWARD. 
          I THINK THE MICRO TRANSLATE, AGAIN, STILL TRYING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          MICROT TRANSITS IS GONNA GIVE US DATA THAT MAY HELP US TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS IN TOWN THAT IT MAY NOT MAKE SENSE FOR CERTAIN PARTS OF THE TOWN TO HAVE MICROT TRANSITS. 
          IT MAYBE MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE A CIRCULAR FIXED ROUTE. 
          SO WE REPLACE IT, BUT THE DATA WILL TELL US THAT FROM MICRO TRANSIT, CUZ WE'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE PICKING PEOPLE UP AND WHERE WE ARE TAKING THEM AND YOU FOLLOW THE DATA. 
          AND IF WE HAVE LARGE VOLUMES BETWEEN TWO POINTS, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO REPLACE THAT WITH A FIXED ROUTE CIRCULAR. 
          SO, SO BUILD, BUILDING THE PLANE AS WE'RE FLYING IT, I GUESS. 
          YEAH. 
          I REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE FORMER YAPA COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND THE CURRENT COCO COUNTY SUPERVISOR ABOUT FUNDING THAT AND THEY'LL, THEY WOULD, THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A LODGING TAX IN THEIR STATE MM-HMM. 
           THAT WOULD BE GO GOING TO EXCLUSIVELY FOR TRANSIT THROUGHOUT THEIR, THEIR ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          AND, UH, IT HASN'T YEAH. 
          HAPPENED. 
          SO THEY DON'T HAVE FUNDING UNLESS YOU KNOW ANYTHING DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON FROM THEM. 
          BUT YOU HAVE, YOU HAD CONVERSATION, SCOTT, WITH THE CURRENT SUPERVISOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING WE CAN HAVE, WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP NEXT WEEK. 
          I'M SURE SHE'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE CERTAINLY, I HAVE HAD IT WITH THE COCONINO COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND I, HE LOVED THE IDEA, BUT THERE'S NO MONEY. 
          I HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT. 
          YOU CAN HANDLE IT NOW, OR I CAN HANDLE IT OFFLINE WITH YOU ON THE STATE LEVEL, WHICH MAY BE HELPFUL TO THIS CONVERSATION, SO, OKAY. 
          WE COULD ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT IS THE STATUS OF OUR FEDERAL GRANTS? UM, WE HAVE 1.9 MILLION IN FEDERAL THAT'S COME IN TO SUPPORT, UH, YOUR NEW TRANSIT SYSTEM, AND THAT'S CAPITAL AND OPERATING. 
          UH, AND THAT'S SINCE 2020. 
          UM, SO THE, UM, WE JUST GOT A, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, YEAR, WELL, WE GOT OUR YEAR TWO AWARD ON THE 53 11, WHICH IS FTA FUNDING THAT FUNDS ADMINISTRATION PART OF MY SALARY. 
          AND THAT FUND THAT WILL FUND A SMALL AMOUNT OF THE MICROT TRANSIT OPERATING EXPENSE. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, 20. 
          I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE FEDERAL 
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MONEY TO FUND ABOUT 20% OF THE TOTAL BILL FOR MICROT TRANSIT FOR FY 24. 
          UH, SO THAT IS, THAT'S BEEN AWARDED. 
          WE HAVE 720,000, UH, PRELIMINARY AWARD TOWARDS DESIGN AND ENGINEERING OF THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY. 
          FDA'S ANTICIPATED TO FUND THAT, UH, EITHER THIS MONTH OR EARLY JULY, WE'LL GET A FINAL AWARD, UH, FOR THAT. 
          THOSE ARE ACTIVE GRANTS. 
          OH. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THE TWO MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES. 
          I THINK I PROVIDED AN UPDATE TO THIS COUNCIL THAT ADOT HAS REQUESTED ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO CLOSE THAT FUNDING GAP. 
          SO RATHER THAN PAYING, YOU KNOW, 60 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR FOR THOSE TWO VEHICLES, UM, ONCE THE FDA APPROVES THAT FINAL REQUEST, UH, WE WOULD PAY 15 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR FOR THOSE TWO VEHICLES. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING AT IT AS, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE. 
          WE'VE GOT AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR GRANTS WHERE THE CYCLES ARE APPROACHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR, FOR, UM, CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, UH, TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE OPERATING EXPENSE THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROGRAM THROUGH THE, UH, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION. 
          I'M PROBABLY MISSING SOMETHING SOMEWHERE. 
          OH. 
          UM, AND WE'RE GONNA GO OUT FOR TWO ADDITIONAL MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES TO SEE, SEE IF WE CAN GET THOSE FUNDED AT 85% FEDERAL. 
          SO THAT'S JUST IN THE NEAR TERM. 
          SO, SO I'M CUR I'M CURIOUS, IS IT LIKE OUR SERVICE CONTRACTS KIND OF, ONCE YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE IN, DO THEY DO OR DO THEY, THESE GRANTS HAVE EXPIRATION DATES AND THEN YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN? WELL, THEY'RE CYCLICAL. 
          SO LIKE 53 11 FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THAT'S OPERATING, THAT'S, YOU CAN USE IT FOR CAPITAL OPERATING ADMINISTRATION PLANNING. 
          THAT'S EVERY TWO YEARS THAT THAT MONEY COMES AVAILABLE. 
          SO MOST TRANSIT PROPERTIES YOU REAPPLY EVERY TWO YEARS. 
          SO YOU'RE CONSTANTLY FUNDING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND LOWERING YOUR LOCAL SUBSIDY BY BRINGING IN THESE GRANT DOLLARS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, UH, LAST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT A GRANTS ANALYST, WHICH THIS COUNCIL APPROVED YOU. 
          IF YOU WANNA BRING IN SOME SIGNIFICANT MONEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT INVESTMENT. 
          SOMEBODY THAT'S ON TOP OF THESE GRANTS WHEN THEY'RE DUE. 
          AND OF COURSE, ONCE YOU'RE AWARDED, THEN THERE'S ALL THESE ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO, TO, TO, UH, REMAIN COMPLIANT WITH THE TERMS OF THE GRANT. 
          SO, UM, ONCE, ONCE YOU START GETTING THEM, YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN ONCE YOU PROVE ONE THAT YOU'RE A RESPONSIBLE GRANT RECIPIENT, YOU'RE GROWING YOUR RIDERSHIP, YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT THESE GRANT DOLLARS ARE INTENDED TO DO, THAT PROCESS DOES GET EASIER AND MORE MONEY TYPICALLY CAN FLOW IN. 
          UM, ARIZONA'S PARTICULAR PROBLEM IS THAT THEY'RE, AT LEAST WITH THEIR FTA GRANTS, UH, THEY'RE OVERSUBSCRIBED. 
          UM, THE LAST 53 10 CYCLE, THERE WERE 40 MILLION, FOUR ZERO MILLION IN REQUEST FOR RURAL TRANSIT. 
          UH, A DOT ONLY HAD 18 MILLION ALLOCATED TO THEM FOR DISPERSAL. 
          SO THAT'S A PRETTY HUGE FUNDING GAP. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR PETE? THANKS, MAYOR. 
          UH, ROBERT, UH, JUST LOOKING AT WORDING THAT YOU PUT HERE ON PT THREE IN YOUR PACKET, IT'S OPERATIONS, YOUR 2024 OBJECTIVES, WE TALK ABOUT TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE AND MICRO TRANSIT, BUT THEN YOU ACTUALLY MENTION TULA, PKI, HILLSIDE AND UPTOWN. 
          THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES AREN'T GOING TO THOSE PLACES. 
          NO, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO IS THAT A AND WE'RE NOT, AND MICRO TRANSIT'S POINT TO POINT. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES. 
          YOU'RE NOT SIGNALING ANYTHING HERE THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF  NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          THE MICRO CHANCE IT WOULD, WOULD INCLUDE THOSE AREAS. 
          IT WOULD JUST INCLUDE THOSE A A AREAS AS AN EXAMPLE, AS IN EVERY OTHER AREA OF TOWN. 
          CONNECT WITH, CONNECT WITH THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT ON THE PAGE YOU'RE ON, BUT I PROBABLY MIGHT, I DIDN'T, UH, ARTICULATE THAT VERY WELL, CLEARLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANYWAY. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEP, NO PROBLEM. 
          OKAY, CONTINUE ON. 
          UM, SO WITHIN TRANSIT THERE'S ABOUT $427,000 OF ONE TIME COST PARTS. 
          THE DECISION PACKAGE, UH, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF IT IS THE, THE LEASE, UH, PAYMENTS FOR THE VEHICLES, THE MICRO TRANSIT AND THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE HARDWARE AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE, ITS SOFTWARE OF, 
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UM, 61,000 I THE DECISION PACKAGE. 
          UM, SO ROBERT CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT THIS IS FOR, BUT, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY USE, BECAUSE THIS IS, HAS A CONNECTION WITH TOURISM, IS THAT WE WOULD USE SOME OF THAT TOURISM CONTINGENCY, UM, TO COVER THIS AMOUNT. 
          SO NO ADDITIONAL AMOUNT ADDED TO THE BUDGET IS JUST A REALLOCATION OF CONTINGENCY TO THIS. 
          UM, THE, UH, WORK GROUP, UM, WASN'T CONVINCED THAT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL. 
          UM, AND SO THEY, UM, JUST WEREN'T SURE THAT THE, THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND THIS. 
          UM, CAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THIS, THOSE WATCH THOSE SCREENS AND READ THEM AND THEY'RE IN THE VEHICLE. 
          THAT WAS A BIG PART OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MARKED THIS PRIORITY AS MEDIUM. 
          NICE TO HAVE NOT A MUST HAVE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THIS SYSTEM IN, IN OTHER AREAS AND I GOT THE THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE MEANING TRANSIT, THE OFFICE OF TRANSIT, WHICH IS ME, WE'RE ALWAYS BEING ASKED TO TRY TO, UH, PROMOTE NOT ONLY SAFETY AT THE TRAILHEADS, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SUSTAINABILITY MESSAGING PACK IN, PACK OUT. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT THROUGH OUR WEBSITES. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ON BOARD, IF YOU'VE SEEN THE VEHICLES, THE DESTINATION SIGNS SWITCH AND SAY PACK IN, PACK OUT, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, PRINTED PUBLICATIONS WHERE WE CAN. 
          BUT THIS SYSTEM WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT MESSAGING IN THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF STATE-OF-THE-ART STUFF BECAUSE IT'S GPS ENABLED. 
          SO WHEN THE BUS IS APPROACHING A LATITUDE, LONGITUDE, IT WOULD TRIGGER EITHER A STATIC MESSAGING OR VIDEO THAT WE'VE PREPARED. 
          UM, YOU CAN ALSO USE THESE SYSTEMS TO SELL ADVERTISING, UM, AND USE THOSE REVENUES TOWARDS YOUR FEDERAL LOCAL MATCH. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY HERE DOWNSTREAM. 
          SO THE THOUGHT WAS, IF, IF WE HAVE A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE OF 300,000 PEOPLE A YEAR IN THESE PASSENGER COMPARTMENTS, THIS, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO CONVEY WHATEVER MESSAGING, UH, WE WANTED TO CONVEY. 
          SO, AND THEN, UH, JESSICA, WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THE WORK GROUP? NON RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO, SO THEY DIDN'T, UM, GET A SENSE THAT, THAT IN THEIR MINDS, PEOPLE DON'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THAT, TO THOSE SCREENS AND FELT LIKE IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON SOMETHING THAT THEY WEREN'T SURE PEOPLE WOULD REALLY EVEN GET THE MESSAGE BECAUSE THEY, THEY WOULD JUST BE CHATTING AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION. 
          THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE AT THE AIRPORT. 
          WHATEVER AIRPORT YOU GO TO, THEY ALL HAVE SCREENS, NO ONE PAYS AND VER VERBAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST WANNA BE SURE IT'S THE SAME. 
          BUT YEAH, IT'S THE SAME PRINCIPLE, BUT SOMETHING MORE MODERN AND IT'S JUST, IT, IT TRIGGERS WHEN YOU WANT IT TO TRIGGER. 
          LIKE, LIKE IF THE BUS GOES BY A CERTAIN LANDMARK, YOU COULD GIVE A HISTORY ON THAT LANDMARK, YOU KNOW. 
          COOL. 
          UM, MELISSA, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THESE SCREENS. 
          ARE THEY LIKE IPAD TYPE THINGS? YEAH, THEY'RE FLAT, THEY'RE RUGGEDIZED FLAT SCREENS. 
          IT WOULD MOUNT RIGHT INTO THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT. 
          AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DOING THINGS LIKE SELLING ADVERTISING SPACE, ONE, IT CAN BE TRIGGERED AS YOU GO BUY THAT THING AT ADVERTISING. 
          AND TWO, WE'RE CHARGING THEM EVEN IF THE PEOPLE IN THE BUS ARE NOT LOOKING AT IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF, UH, THE, THE DECISIONS MADE TO USE IT FOR GENERAL ADVERTISING, THOSE REVENUES DO HAVE TO GO BACK INTO TRANSIT THOUGH. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          LIKE I SAID, I MARKED IT AS MEDIUM KIND OF A BE NICE TO HAVE, BUT, UH, NOT, NOT A MUST HAVE. 
          WHEN YOU SAY THE REVENUES HAVE TO GO BACK INTO TRANSIT, EVEN IF WE'RE PAYING FORWARD THROUGH BED TAX MONEY? YEAH. 
          WELL, I GUESS IN MY MIND, TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA BE GENERATING REVENUES THROUGH YOUR TRANSIT SYSTEM WITH ADVERTISING, IT PROBABLY SHOULD GO BACK INTO THAT SYSTEM WHERE WE COULD USE THAT MONEY EITHER TO HELP SUPPORT THE OPERATING COSTS TO OFFSET THE OPERATING COSTS OR USE IT TOWARDS A LOCAL MATCH FOR SOME OF THESE GRANTS WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST A POLICY DECISION THAT'S NOT A YEAH. 
          REGULATORY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
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SO FOR C I P PROJECTS FOR TRANSIT, UM, SO THERE ARE, UM, FOUR PROJECTS THAT ARE PART OF, UM, CARRYOVER AND TWO THAT ARE, UM, NEWLY BEING REQUESTED, UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 24. 
          UM, THESE ARE, A LOT OF THIS TRANSIT STUFF IS VERY HEAVILY GRANT FUNDED. 
          I'VE GOT NOTES HERE ON, UM, GRANT FUNDING THAT WE'VE ESTIMATED, UM, AND THEN ALSO SOME NOTES ON ESTIMATIONS FOR, UM, INCREASES IN COSTS AS WELL ON THE SLIDE. 
          UM, AND WE DID UPDATE THE NAME FOR PTO FOUR. 
          IT USED TO SAY TRANSIT HUB, AND WE CHANGED IT TO TRANSIT RIDE EXCHANGE. 
          THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE PROJECTS? MAYOR ALYSSA HAS, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HEAR FREQUENTLY ON THE MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS CENTER FOR WHICH YOU'VE GOT, UH, AT LEAST START MONEY FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA LIKE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE WHO CAN MAINTAIN AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. 
          IS THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL AN ISSUE? OR ARE YOU, YOU SORT OF A HANDLE ON HOW YOU'RE GONNA FIND MAINTENANCE ENGINEERS AND THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE? YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN, I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, OUR CONTRACTOR, UH, MV TRANSPORTATION. 
          THEY TYPICALLY, IN MOST OF THEIR LARGER OPERATIONS OR IN SOME OF THEIR SMALLER OPERATIONS, THEY PROVIDE DIRECT MAINTENANCE. 
          SO THEY'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THEY, THEY CAN RECRUIT AND TRAIN AND FACTORY CERTIFY, YOU KNOW, THOSE TECHNICIANS. 
          BUT IT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE WE ALSO NEED, I THINK, TO, UH, PARTNER WITH, UH, OUR LOCAL COLLEGE TO START TO LOOK AT THEIR MAINTENANCE TRAINING PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE GEARED TOWARDS PROVIDING TRAINING THAT WILL ALLOW THESE TECHNICIANS TO SUPPORT ZERO EMISSION TECHNOLOGY, WHETHER WE GO BATTERY ELECTRIC OR HYDROGEN FUEL CELL OR WHATEVER TECHNOLOGY WE EVENTUALLY ADOPT. 
          SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME THOUGHT INTO IT, BUT IT IS STILL AN ISSUE. 
          SO YOU DONE, OH, OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY, SHERRY, KEEP GOING. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE OTHER TRANSIT PROJECTS? ARE WE DONE WITH TRANSIT? UH, NO, I JUST, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW, HOW IS IT WORKING OUT WITH THE, UM, THE CONTRACTOR, THE DRIVERS? ARE THEY FULLY STAFFED? IS THAT WORKING OUT GOOD? YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          WHEN WE WENT TO SEVEN DAYS DURING SPRING BREAK, THEY DUE TO STAFFING, THEY DID, THEY DID MISS A NUMBER OF ONE-WAY TRIPS. 
          UM, BUT EVEN WITH THAT SAID, THEY STILL DELIVERED 99.38% OF ALL SCHEDULED WORK. 
          SO, ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, THEY HAVE HAD SOME TURNOVER. 
          THEY CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE NEW DRIVERS, ONE CERTIFYING TODAY WHO WILL BE, UH, CLEARED FOR INDEPENDENT DUTY THIS COMING WEEKEND, AND FIVE MORE ARE, ARE IN THE QUEUE. 
          AND THEY'RE STARTING THAT TRAINING PROCESS. 
          UM, THE ONE THING THAT PEOPLE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR 'EM TO UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL DOES, IS WE JUST DON'T HAND THESE, THESE DRIVERS THE KEYS, RIGHT? THEIR, THEIR TRAINING IS ABOUT 120 HOURS BEFORE THEY'RE CLEARED FOR INDEPENDENT DUTY. 
          THEY'RE COMMERCIAL DRIVERS. 
          UM, SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT IN THIS INDUSTRY. 
          THAT'S WHY AS OF LAST SUNDAY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TRANSPORT JUST FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, 297,000 PEOPLE WITHOUT INJURIES. 
          SO THAT'S BEAKS VOLUMES TO ME ABOUT THEIR TRAINING. 
          SO, BUT IT DOES TAKE A WHILE. 
          THERE'S BACKGROUND CHECKS, DRUG AND ALCOHOL, AND THEN OF COURSE THE TRAINING. 
          SO IT TAKES, TAKES SOME EFFORT. 
          SORRY, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION, ROBERT, I'M SORRY, I MISSED THIS QUESTION ON PT FOUR IN YOUR PACKET, WHICH WAS OPERATIONS, YOU HAVE FAIRBOX RECOVERY HERE BEING FY 23, ESTIMATE OF 15% MM-HMM. 
          , HOW DID WE GET ANY FAIRBOX RECOVERY IN FISCAL 23? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT WAS BASED ON AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD BEGIN MICRO TRANSIT OPERATIONS IN SEPTEMBER. 
          AH, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND FAIR FAIRBOX RECOVERY, AS YOU KNOW, IS JUST MATCHED AGAINST THE OPERATING COSTS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I PUT THE NATIONAL INDUSTRY STANDARD IN, THERE'S LIKE 9.1, SO 15%, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE A BRIDGE TOO FAR, BUT IT, IT'S SOMEWHERE TO START. 
          BUT YOUR, YOUR TRUE ESTIMATE 
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OF FAIRBOX RECOVERY FOR FY 23 IS ZERO? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THEN. 
          SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, ROBERT. 
          APPRECIATE I GET ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. 
          FOR SHERRY. 
          SO THE FY 24 IS PAY AS YOU GO, RIGHT? YES. 
          AND THEN ARE YOU THINKING THAT IN 25 WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, USE BONDS OR SOME OTHER IF, IF WE'RE READY TO PROCEED? YEAH. 
          UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE, BUT THE, THE PLAN ALL ALONG HAS BEEN FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT WE WOULD DO DEBT FINANCING ISSUES AND BONDS, UM, IN THE LA THIS PAST YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS COUNCIL, UM, APPROVED TAKING $5 MILLION OF THE GENERAL FUND SURPLUS AND SETTING IT ASIDE SO THAT CAN HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION COST. 
          UM, AND IF COUNSEL CHOOSES TO TAKE SOME MORE OF THE SURPLUS AND PUT IT OVER THERE, THAT CAN HELP REDUCE HOW MUCH OF THOSE BONDS ARE NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          CAN I DOVETAIL ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE LARGEST PIECE OF THAT OBVIOUSLY IS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY. 
          FOR TIME SPAN LISTED HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING 80% GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT 19 TO 20 MILLION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, DEPARTMENT OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION THROUGH THE CERTAIN PROGRAM ON, UH, FOR RURAL AREAS AND TRIBAL AREAS CALLED NATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT LANDS IS SET ASIDE 355 MILLION PER YEAR, THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          SO WE CAN, EVEN IF WE DON'T GET IT YEAR ONE, WE CAN APPLY YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE. 
          AND THE MINIMUM PROJECT AMOUNT ON THOSE IS 12.5. 
          WOW. 
          THE MAXIMUM IS 25 MILLION, AND THAT'S 80 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR COVERED BY THE FEDS. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION FOR THAT GRANT. 
          UM, ONE, THE SITE SELECTED NEEDS TO BE ADJACENT TO FEDERAL LAND, WHICH IT IS. 
          TWO, WE NEED TO HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF A FEDERAL LANDS MANAGEMENT AGENCY TO EVEN APPLY FOR THAT GRANT, WHICH WE DO. 
          FOREST SERVICE HAS GIVEN US A LETTER, UH, SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH THAT GRANT. 
          AND THREE, THE PROJECT HAS TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO FEDERAL PUBLIC LANDS, WHICH IT WILL. 
          SO WE'RE, I THINK WE CAN PUT IN A STRONG, STRONG APPLICATION. 
          AND EVEN IF WE DON'T GET IT YEAR ONE, WE'LL HAVE FOUR MORE BYTES OF THE APPLE TO GO AFTER THAT LARGER SUM THERE. 
          SO, OR EVEN, EVEN IF WE GET 50% OF IT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TIFF E LOANS THROUGH THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THAT'S A, THAT'S A TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN GET A 30 YEAR, UM, LOAN FROM THE U S D O T AT ONE HALF THE PRIME RATE. 
          WOW. 
          SO THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS ASIDE FROM SOME OF THOSE THAT, THAT SHERRY MENTIONED. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING UNDER EVERY ROCK FOR BUN. 
          SO BRIAN, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, THE, UH, C I P FOR, UH, PT FOUR A, THE Y MULTIMODAL STOP, I MEAN, DO WE REALLY HAVE A INTENT DESIGNED FOR THAT LOCATION? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. 
          WHAT WE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR THAT PROJECT FOR FY 23 WAS ACTUALLY TO DEMO THE EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE OF IT BEING UNSIGHTLY AS WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, WHAT WE REALIZED IS STRUCTURALLY IT APPEARED THE BUILDING WAS, WAS PRETTY SOUND. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, PLUMBING H V A C, THE STRUCTURAL, AGAIN, LOOKING AT IT IN MORE DETAIL TO MAKE SURE THE BUILDING'S WORTH SAVING. 
          AT THIS POINT, WE THINK, UM, WE MAY PIVOT ON THAT AND INSTEAD OF TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN, LOOK AT USES THAT MIGHT INCORPORATE THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE AND MAKE IT LOOK NICER, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY TEARING IT DOWN AND BUILDING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          I MEAN, THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE A POTENTIAL EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE REAL PRIORITY TO THIS? AND YOU'RE BUSY, SO WHY ARE WE GONNA FOOL WITH THIS? YEAH, IT, IT'S NOT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, BUT IT'S, I THINK THE ONLY THING PUSHING THAT RIGHT NOW IS, IS THE FACT THAT THE, THE PROPERTY DOESN'T LOOK GREAT. 
          SO OUR, 
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OUR BIGGEST, I THINK, FOCUS IS IN THE NEAR TERM IS JUST GETTING IT TO A DECENT POINT WHERE IT'S NOT AN EYESORE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          OKAY, SHERRY, OH YOURS. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON TRANSIT READY TO MOVE FORWARD? YES MA'AM. 
          ROBERT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, OKAY, GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, SO NEXT I CAN COURT BACK. 
          OUTSTANDING TIP. 
          NOTHING BEING, I THINK ROBERT AND THE JUDGE WENT TO THE SAME CLOSE AS . 
          YOU BOTH THINK HIGH CALIBER. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY NOT ME TO YOU RIGHT NOW, JERRY. 
          YOU DOING GOOD? OKAY. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE HERE A SLIDE ON THE COURT AND SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, DIRECT COST FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, UM, ABOUT 680,000, AND FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 GOING TO ABOUT 770,000, UM, THERE IS A DECISION PACKAGE INCLUDED, UM, THAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR A ONE-TIME TEMP. 
          UM, THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 0.78 FTES. 
          THAT ADDS 49,000, UM, THE ONGOING WAGES AND BENEFITS ADJUSTMENTS. 
          SO THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 63,000, THE DECREASE IN THE ONE TIME. 
          SO THERE, THERE WAS THE ONE TIME THAT GOT APPROVED OF ATTEMPT FOR FISCAL YEAR 23. 
          AND, UM, SO IT WAS, IT WAS A ONE TIME, SO I'M REFLECTING THAT DECREASE IN THE ONE TIME. 
          BUT THEN THE DECISION PACKAGE TO REQUEST AGAIN FOR A ONE-TIME TEMP. 
          UM, SO THE OVERALL PERCENTAGE CHANGE 13% AND THE ONGOING, UH, PORTION IS AN 11% INCREASE FOR THE ONETIME COSTS. 
          UM, IT'S JUST THE TWO ITEMS. IT'S THE RECOMMENDED DECISION PACKAGE AND, UH, THE ALLOCATION OF THE PORTION OF THE LEASE FOR THE FORMER SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMIN SITE OF, UH, 51,000. 
          SO A TOTAL OF ONETIME COST OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OPERATING BUDGET BEFORE WE MOVE TO DECISION PACKAGES? JUST WANNA SAY WELCOME JUDGE. 
          AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE ARE THREE DECISION PACKAGES, UH, THAT THE COURT HAS REQUESTED. 
          UM, THERE IS, UM, A REQUEST FOR A NEW COURT CLERK POSITION, UM, THAT HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED IS, UH, WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BY A CITY MANAGER OR THE WORK GROUP. 
          UH, THE TEMPORARY COURT CLERK POSITION WAS RECOMMENDED, UM, AND THE INCREASE IN THE COURT SECURITY OFFICER HOURS WAS NOT RECOMMENDED. 
          SO OF THE 3 1, 1 OF THEM IS RECOMMENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE JUDGE? PETE? THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          HELLO, JUDGE. 
          AFTERNOON, UH, PAGE MC THREE OF OUR PACKET IS YOUR, UH, WORKLOAD INDICATORS. 
          MANY OF THEM FROM 21, 22, 23, AND 24 ARE ARE BLANK. 
          CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS PAGE? UH, I, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT FINANCE TOOK FROM ALL THE PAST BUDGET BOOKS AND PUT TOGETHER, SO I CAN HELP ANSWER THAT. 
          SO, OH, THANK YOU. 
          WITH THE CHANGE IN JUDGES OVER TIME, THEY'VE CHANGED IN HOW THE REPORTING WAS DONE. 
          SO, UH, PREVIOUS JUDGES REPORTED MORE INFORMATION ON WORKLOAD INDICATORS AND, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO HAD, WHO PUT TOGETHER THE FISCAL YEAR 21 BUDGET, BUT THEY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF WORKLOAD INDICATORS AND THEN THAT'S JUST BEEN CARRIED FORWARD BY JUDGES SINCE THAT TIME OF, OF WHAT WORKLOAD INDICATORS THEY'RE REPORTING DO. 
          DO YOU RECALL RATIONALE OF WHY WE REDUCED THE INDICATORS? IT JUST, JUST THE, WHOEVER THE JUDGE WAS AT THAT TIME WAS JUST THEIR PREFERENCE AND COUNSELOR, I THINK ONE, UH, OR TWO OF THOSE WORKLOAD IN INDICATOR INDICATORS RELATE TO PARKING CITATIONS. 
          YES. 
          SO FOR FISCAL YEARS, 18, 19, 20, THE COURT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROCESSING OF THOSE PARKING TICKETS. 
          AND THEN, UM, IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN REASSIGNED TO, AND WE DO HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT THAT HELPS WITH THE PROCESSING, BUT TO FINANCE. 
          SO THE COURT NO LONGER DEALS WITH THAT VOLUME OF PARKING CITATIONS AND UNLESS THERE'S AN APPEAL THAT ULTIMATELY GOES TO THE COURT. 
          YOU GOOD, PETE? UH, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
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VICE MAYOR. 
          HI, JUDGE LEGAL. 
          UH, SO TO JUSTIFY AN ADDITIONAL POSITION, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME METRICS MM-HMM. 
           THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, SHOW AN INCREASE IN THE WORKLOAD. 
          WELL, WE ACTUALLY DID SOME ANALYSIS WITH SOME LOCAL COURTS, COTTONWOOD MUNICIPAL COURT, WHICH IS SLOTTED FOR FOUR FULL-TIME COURT CLERKS, UM, WHICH WE ARE SLOTTED FOR THREE AT THIS POINT. 
          AND THEIR CASE RIGHT NOW ARE 1,450. 
          OURS RIGHT NOW TO DATE ARE 2001. 
          SO WE'RE OVER COTTONWOODS NUMBERS RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, CAMP VERDE IS SLOTTED FOR FOUR CLERKS AND, AND THEY HAVE QUITE A FEW FEWER CASES. 
          THEY HAVE 879 RIGHT NOW, BUT OUR FILINGS ARE JUST INCREASING OVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          UM, I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BROUGHT OVER 40, IT WAS 43 OR 46 FILINGS ON BEGINNING OF THIS WEEK, AND WE'RE EXPECTING SOME MORE TOMORROW. 
          UM, SO THAT THE NUMBERS JUST KEEP INCREASING AND IF THE POLICE FORCE INCREASES THEIR NUMBER OF OFFICERS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MORE OFFICERS OUT THERE SIGHTING. 
          SO WE JUST ANTICIPATE OUR NUMBERS ARE JUST GONNA KEEP GOING UP. 
          ARE THEY MOSTLY, UH, TRAFFIC RELATED? RELATED? A LOT OF 'EM ARE TRAFFIC, YEAH. 
          UM, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THE FILINGS HAVE A COMBINATION OF CIVIL TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS AND MISDEMEANOR VIOLATIONS. 
          THERE'S THIS COMBINATION IN THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , HOW OFTEN IS THE COURT MEETING THESE DAYS? FOUR DAYS A WEEK. 
          OH, YOU ARE, YEAH. 
          YOU'RE IN SESSION FOUR DAYS A WEEK. 
          NOT FULL TIME, BUT, YEAH. 
          WELL THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          SO OF THE FOUR DAYS A WEEK, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UH, ACTUAL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HOURS? UM, SEVEN TO FIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          FOUR DAYS A WEEK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD, VICEMAN. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? UH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU HOW YOU'RE DOING ON HERE. 
           RECONCILIATION? NO, THAT'S BEEN, WE SEE THAT TODAY. 
          YEAH, JUST ABOUT AN HOUR AGO, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE REVENUE DISTRIBUTION OF RECONCILIATION, NOT THE RECONCILIATION. 
          SO THE REVENUE'S OKAY. 
          YEAH, I'M SURE THE REST IS COMING. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAYOR SHARED IT WITH YOU, BUT WE HAD AN UPDATE LAST WEEK FROM THE, UH, COCONINO COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT STAFF THAT'S WORKING ON IT, AND THEY ANTICIPATE GETTING IT DONE. 
          HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. 
          IF NOT, IT WOULD BE NEXT WEEK. 
          SO I HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO SHARE WITH ANYBODY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I WAS GONNA DO IT WITH JOE ANN COOK. 
          THAT'D BE KIND OF TIED UP, SO I'M SURE  THAT'S GOOD. 
          THEY JUST, THEY JUST WANNA RUN IT, THEY JUST WANT TO RUN IT BY AOC FIRST. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, YEAH. 
          PROGRESS, THANKFULLY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO VICE MAYOR ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE HOURS. 
          UM, HOW ARE YOU DOING? ARE YOU FULLY STAFFED NOW? WE HAVE THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR, BRENDA SHORE, WE HAVE TWO FULL-TIME CLERKS AND WE JUST HIRED A THIRD CLERK FROM MAINTENANCE. 
          WE ACTUALLY STOLE HER FROM OUR CUSTODIAN. 
          AND, UH, SO SHE'S GONNA START THE END OF THIS MONTH. 
          UM, I THINK SHE HAS TO HAVE SOME HAND SURGERY FIRST BEFORE SHE'S UP THE STARTING. 
          UM, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IT, IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR A, A COURT CLERK TO GET ACCLIMATED TO THE WHOLE COURT PROCESS AS FAR AS TRAINING GOES. 
          AND RIGHT NOW OUR COURT ADMINISTRATOR IS DOING THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAINING, WHICH TAKES HER AWAY FROM HER ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES. 
          UM, AND SHE'S WORKING, SHE WROTE IT DOWN FOR ME, 65 TO 80 HOURS A WEEK RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO IT, IT, ONCE WE GET COURT CLERKS ESTABLISHED WHERE THEY CAN FUNCTION IN INDEPENDENTLY, THINGS WILL RUN A LOT SMOOTHER. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST ON A, PUTTING OUT THE FIRES BASIS RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH ALL DAILY STUFF THAT COMES INTO THE COURT. 
          CUZ EVERY TIME SOMEBODY CONTACTS THE COURT, THE COURT CLERKS HAS TO INPUT IT IN THE REGISTRAR OF ACTIONS AND THE, AND THE, UH, AJA SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU GET COURT FILINGS, ON AVERAGE IT TAKES 10 MINUTES PER FILING TO ENTER IT INTO THE AJA SYSTEM AND CREATE A FILE. 
          PLUS THEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH MOTIONS THAT ARE COMING IN PHONE CALLS. 
          WE HAVE OPEN COURTS, SO PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S A LOT FOR THE COURT CLERKS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE BEEN FULLY STAFFED FOR A WHILE BEFORE YOU 
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ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL, UH, STAFF PERSON, A COURT CLERK, UH, BECAUSE YOU, THAT, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THAT THIRD CLERK WAS UNFILLED FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK WE'VE HAD THREE AT ONE POINT, BUT THERE'S BEEN, DURING YOUR TENURE THERE'S BEEN TURNOVER. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR ME AS AN INDICATOR FOR YOU TO HAVE THE, THE THREE OF THEM PLUS, UH, YOUR COURT ADMINISTRATOR FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. 
          SO WE SEE IF IT LEVELS OUT, MAYBE THAT'LL BE JUST WHAT YOU NEED. 
          YOU, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T HAD THAT LAST PERSON UNTIL YOU STILL DON'T HAVE IT. 
          THEY'RE NOT CURRENT YET. 
          SO I, I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD AND SUPPORTING THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL SPOT UNTIL WE KNOW HOW IT'S GOING. 
          SEE, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS MAYOR THOUGH, IS THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED OUR POST ADJUDICATED FILES, WHICH THERE'S OVER 500 FILES. 
          AND BY RULE, ONCE A CASE IS, IS DIS DISPOSED, THERE'S BEEN A FINAL DISPOSITION. 
          WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THAT FILE AFTER SIX MONTHS TO SEE IF THE DEFENDANT IS COMPLYING WITH THE COURT ORDERS, PAYING THEIR FINES DURING THEIR COUNSELING, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 
          WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED THOSE POST, POST ADJUDICATED FILES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO IT. 
          AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT'S A LOSS OF REVENUE FOR THE CITY. 
          BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT A POST ADJUDICATED FILE, IF SOMEBODY HASN'T BEEN COMPLYING WITH COURT ORDERS, WE'LL SEND THEM A LETTER SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS THE SITUATION YOU NEED TO COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERS. 
          IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, THEN WE CAN SET AN ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE HEARING WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF ME AND EXPLAIN THEIR SITUATION. 
          BUT A LOT OF TIMES, ONCE THEY GET THAT NOTICE, THEY CONTACT THE COURT AND THEY START PAYING ON THEIR FINES, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A NEW PAYMENT AGREEMENT TO SUIT THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVEN'T TOUCHED THOSE FILES AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, BUT YOU HAVE A TEMPORARY COURT CLERK THAT WE'VE AUTHORIZED AND THAT'S BEEN SUPPORTED BY THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE IN THE PAST WITH THE ISSUES OF REPORTING, UH, APPROVED, UH, OVERTIME ON, ON FRIDAYS, WHICH YOU ARE, I BELIEVE, ARE YOU CLOSED ON FRIDAY TO THE PUBLIC? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE? I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE WANNA CONTINUE THAT TEMPORARILY TO GET YOU SOME, UH, GET YOU CAUGHT UP AS A OPPOSED TO SUPPORTING HIRING A FULL-TIME, UH, EMPLOYEE. 
          SO, AND YOU KNOW, I LEAVE IT UP TO MY STAFF IF THEY WANT TO WORK. 
          I UNDERSTAND EXTRA AND SOMETIMES THEY DO, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T CUZ THEY'RE PERSONAL SITUATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME TO PAY OVERTIME AND ADD THAT EXTRA COST WHEN YOU CAN JUST HIRE A COURT CLERK TO DO THE POST ADJUDICATED CASES. 
          IT TOOK YOU HOW LONG TO HIRE THIS NEW COURT CLERK THAT'S STARTING. 
          WELL, I KNOW THERE OUR, OUR APPLICATION POOL IS WELL EXACTLY. 
          SO BETTER IF YOU HAVE, UH, IN MY MIND, I'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE ON OVERTIME OCCASIONALLY TO HELP FILL IN AS OPPOSED TO NOBODY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO CAN YOU GIVE ME A BREAKDOWN OF YOUR CIVIL PARKING AND CRIMINAL CITATIONS? YOUR WORKLOAD? RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR CRIMINAL CITATIONS ARE PUSHING 300 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, I THINK OUT OF 2000. 
          YES. 
          ABOUT 10%. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE REST WOULD BE CIVIL TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, TOWN ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS, UM, AND YOU, FOR THOSE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THESE OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE FINES AND, UH, FOR CRIMINAL, THAT'S WHERE YOU, YOU THE BULK OF THE WORK WOULD BE, I WOULD ASSUME IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR PARKING AND, UM, WELL CIVIL YOU WOULDN'T CRIMINALLY YOU WOULD, BUT PARKING YOU WOULDN'T AS FAR AS THE EXTRA ANCILLARY, UH, WORK LOAD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, AS FAR AS PARKING TICKET VIOLATIONS, THE ONLY TIME WE SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT IS IF THEY APPEAL AND THEY REQUEST A, A HEARING BEFORE THE COURT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY TIME THAT WE, WE DEAL WITH PARKING TICKET VIOLATIONS. 
          GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE, THE ASK FOR THE SECURITY GUARD TO, TO GO FULL-TIME MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT YOU, THE COURTS, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT IN SESSION FULL-TIME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU, YOUR DOORS ARE OPEN FULL-TIME, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY, SO HE'S REALLY THERE FOR THE COURT SESSIONS OR AS, UH, SECURITY FOR THE LOBBY? BOTH. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AND AND I, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE COURT IS THE ONLY FACILITY IN THIS CITY THAT IS UNSECURE. 
          ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC CAN WALK THROUGH THE DOORS, WALK THROUGH, WELL  EVERY OFFICE. 
          YEAH. 
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AND THEN, WELL NOT MY OFFICE, NO, BUT WALK BACK INTO MY OFFICE, WALK BACK INTO THE COURT CLERK'S AREA. 
          ANYBODY CAN COME IN FROM PARTS AND REC SIDE AND HAVE COMPLETE ACCESS. 
          WELL, THAT'S BEING WORKED ON BY, UH, UH, MAINTENANCE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON THE DOORS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THE LOCKS, REALIGNING THE DOORS SO THEY CAN ONLY GO IN ONE WAY AND NOT THE OTHER THAT'S GONNA BE WORKED ON. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THAT'S GONNA BE DONE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS, ANDY, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT, OKAY. 
          BUT, UM, SO THAT MOVING FORWARD, ONCE THAT'S DONE, DOES THAT ELIMINATE YOUR CONCERNS OF SECURITY? YOU HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES OF BULLETPROOF GLASS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE, THERE ARE THOSE ISSUES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A BIG RELIEF TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, I TOTALLY GET IT. 
          BUT YOU COULD, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A SWIPE TO GET INTO YOUR OFFICE, DON'T YOU? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAD QUESTIONS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YES, YOU DID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUSTIN WASN'T HIGH ENOUGH. 
          I'M DISTURBED TO HEAR THAT A STAFF MEMBER'S WORKING 65 TO 80 HOURS. 
          I THINK THAT'S UNCONSCIONABLE AND I THINK IT'S UNSUSTAINABLE. 
          AND WHILE FRIDAY IS AN OPTION, I I I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE NORM. 
          THAT IT, IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY. 
          HOW LONG, WHAT'S THE ACCUMULATION TIME ON THOSE 500 FILES? HOW BACK FAR BACK DID THEY GO? OH, MULTIPLE YEARS. 
          WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME SINCE THE LAST TIME THEY WERE WORKED ON. 
          I DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HOW MANY, DO YOU GET NEW EVERY MONTH OR EVERY YEAR OR JUST AN ESTIMATE? WELL, IT WOULD BE THE, THE 300. 
          OKAY. 
          CRIMINAL. 
          SO AT ANY TIME YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AT LEAST 300 FILES. 
          EVEN IF YOU, OR IF YOU KEPT UP THERE WOULD BE 300 FILES A MONTH THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO, TO DO THIS WITH A MONTH OR YEAR, A YEAR, A YEAR, FISCAL YEAR. 
          THAT'S NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, KAREN, WHY DID YOUR REASONS FOR NOT RECOMMENDING THE, UH, NEW CLERK? SO, UM, I'LL REFER YOU TO THE WORKLOAD INDICATORS ON PAGES MC TWO MM-HMM. 
           AND MC THREE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THOSE DO NOT REFLECT AN INCREASE IN WORKLOAD AT ALL. 
          IN FACT, DID THEY REFLECT A DECREASE IN WORKLOAD MM-HMM. 
           AND AN INCREASE IN STAFFING OVER THE TIME PERIOD? SO WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE FULL-TIME CLERKS, BUT THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT TURNOVER AND BACKLOG ACCUMULATING BECAUSE OF SIGNIFICANT TURNOVER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IN MY MIND, THE BEST THING TO DO IS GET TEMP OR TEMP HELP ADDITIONAL HELP IN TO QUELL THE BACKLOG ATTEMPT TO GET TO FULL STAFFING AND FULLY TRAINED. 
          CUZ AS THE JUDGE INDICATED, IT DOES TAKE TIME TO TRAIN NEW STAFF TO BE FULLY PROFICIENT IN THEIR JOB. 
          AND ONCE WE'RE AT THAT POINT, THEN WE CAN ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT THOSE THREE FULL-TIME BODIES, YOU KNOW, AND NOW PLUS A FULL TIME OR NEAR FULL THREE QUARTER TIME, UM, TEMP FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR IS ABLE TO ADDRESS THE EXISTING WORKLOAD. 
          BUT THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT THE, THESE ARE CONTRARY TO WHAT THE JUDGE IS SAYING REGARDING THE INCREASES IN IN COURT CASES AND WORKLOAD. 
          DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? ANY RESPONSE? NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION, UM, I AM REALLY DISTURBED ABOUT THE 65 TO 80 HOURS. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UM, NO ONE ELSE SHARES, BUT I MEAN, I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT IS JUST WRONG. 
          AND IS THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO REDUCE THAT. 
          THAT'S BEEN SINCE THE DAY SHE STARTED, IT'S BEEN THAT KIND OF A WORKLOAD. 
          DOES SHE WANNA WORK THAT MANY HOURS OR DOES SHE FEEL LIKE SHE HAS TO WORK THAT MANY? I MEAN, FROM HER OWN, NOT THAT SHE'S BEING PUSHED NO, SHE'S NOT BEING PUSHED TO DO. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I SAID SHE IS DEDICATED, SHE WANTS TO GET THE COURT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY AND SHE FEELS THAT IT'S NECESSARY FOR HER TO DO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, AS IT REMINDS ME OF A PRIOR THING WITH THE RECYCLING CENTER, WHERE'RE A DIRECTOR WHEN FACED WITH A BUDGET SHORTAGE, UH, GAVE HER AND ALL OF HER STAFF A DECREASE IN WAGES. 
          HUH? I'M SORRY THAT I, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT, I THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT CAN CONTINUE OR SHOULD CONTINUE. 
          I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          KAREN, I'M SORRY, I'M NO BOTHERED BY THAT. 
          THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND, AND I THINK 
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THAT'S A SHOCKING NUMBER. 
          IT IS. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE ASKING SOME QUESTIONS THAT IF THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR IS WORKING UP TO 85 HOURS A WEEK AND YET COCONINO COUNTY HAS TO COME IN TO GET EVEN A BASIC MONTHLY BANK RECONCILIATION DONE ON THAT TO ME, DOESN'T IT, IT THAT, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATION FOR THIS PLACE. 
          CORRECT. 
          I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET, BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST PUTTING THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WELL RELATED NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE OTHER. 
          NO, BUT I, I BE FOCUSING, I THINK KAREN'S QUESTION IS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT ONE. 
          THIS ISN'T THE VENUE FOR HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT'S UNTENABLE TO ME AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYWAY, UM, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR THE DECISION PACKAGES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TO MY LEFT? PETE? KATHY? OKAY. 
          UH, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA OFFER, JUDGE? NO, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THE NEXT IS THE CIP PROJECT FOR THE COURT. 
          JUST CARRY OVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, THIS IS A CARRYOVER TO ADD A PHASE TWO, UM, TO THE COURT REMODEL PROJECT. 
          UM, THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UM, JUDGE TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT SOME OF THE SECURITY CONCERNS, THE BULLETPROOF GLASS. 
          THEY DO HAVE A GRANT THAT COVERS, UM, THAT BALLISTIC MATERIAL. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S SPREAD ACROSS FISCAL YEAR 24 AND 25, UM, TO BE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN THE FUNDING THAT THE COURT GETS, THE COURT HAS FOR, UM, THAT'S RESTRICTED TO, SO, UH, JUST EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. 
          THIS IS FUNDING FROM THE COURT THAT IS BEING FUNDED BY OUR YOU OR THE AOC OR, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTED ACCOUNTS THAT THE COURT CAN USE FOR, TO ASSIST FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA USE THAT FUNDING TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANNA, DO YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE? DOES THAT HAVE TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR STAFF? HOW DOES THAT WORK? CAUSE IT'S OUR BUILDING. 
          NO, AS FAR AS THE RESTRICTED ACCOUNTS, NO. 
          DOING THE WORK, THE ACTUAL NO, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THROUGH CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE, UH, YEAH. 
          THROUGH STAFF. 
          DO THEY HAVE THE TIME TO DO THIS? WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME? SO THIS IS TYPICALLY MANAGED THROUGH OUR FACILITIES DEPARTMENT AND UM, YEAH, THEY, THEY'RE ONLY TASKED WITH FACILITIES RELATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO THEIR WORKLOAD IS NOT ENORMOUS, BUT THIS IS IN THEIR WHEELHOUSE. 
          SO WE, WE PUT THESE KIND OF PROJECTS WITH THOSE GUYS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE A, UH, TIMEFRAME OF WHEN YOU THINK WELL, WITHIN F Y 24? I MEAN, LIKELY THEY WOULD BE MOVING INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKING WITH A CONTRACTOR ACTUALLY ABOUT MOVING INTO THAT. 
          SO MY BEST GUESS WOULD BE, UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S SOME TIME LATER THIS SUMMER. 
          OKAY. 
          AFTER WE START INTERVIEW. 
          THAT IS ACTUALLY A PHASE TWO. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF I UNDERSTAND CUZ NEVER MEANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME OF THE MOVE AND JUDGE, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IT'S THE SMALLER ISSUES, BUT SEVERE, BUT THEY'RE SMALLER, THE BULLETPROOF GLASS, CHANGING THE SWING OF THE DOORS, PUTTING A KEY, YOU KNOW, A SWIPE CARD SYSTEM IN, SO IT'S NOT MOVING WALLS, IT'S NOT, UH, ANYTHING IN THE COURTROOM. 
          CORRECT. 
          IS THAT ALL BUILT UP AND DONE? WELL? NO, THAT, THAT'S PART OF PHASE TWO. 
          OH, IT, IT IS PART OF PHASE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION AND PROBABLY THE BE MORE FOR ANDY IS THE SECURITY ISSUES, THE PRESSING ONES MM-HMM. 
           AS FAR AS LIMITING PUBLIC ACCESS TO SENSITIVE AREAS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NOW OR IS THAT PART OF PHASE TWO? WELL, I THINK IT, IT CAN HAPPEN MORE NEAR TERM, BUT, SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PART OF AN OVERALL BIG PROJECT, BUT, UM, IT, IT, IT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE MORE OF A F Y 24 EFFORT THOUGH. 
          SO NOT LIKE IMMEDIATELY NOW, BUT THIS YEAR, BUT, OH, THIS CALENDAR OR, YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          NO, NO, IT IS THIS CALENDAR YEAR. 
          SO WE CAN, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THIS, I MEAN, I WAS OVER AT THE COURTHOUSE, I SAW SOME OF THE ISSUES. 
          YEAH. 
          PART OF THAT IS, IS PERMITTING. 
          SO THE WAY THE, 
          [04:50:01]
THE WAY THE ACCESS IS SET UP NOW IS THE WAY IT WAS REQUIRED TO BE SET UP THROUGH CODE. 
          SO OUR FACILITY STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CODE STAFF TO GET THAT CHANGED AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S BEEN WORKED, WORKED ON, UH, UP TO THIS POINT TO GET THAT DONE. 
          UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THERE ANY ESTIMATION OR TIME WHEN THAT COULD BE COMPLETED? WELL, I CAN GET BACK TO YOU THAT ON THAT JUDGE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT TEAM MEMBER'S CALENDAR ON MY TOP OF MY HEAD AT THE MOMENT. 
          SO I CAN DEFINITELY GET BACK TO YOU, BUT I COULD SEE THAT, I COULD SEE THAT THE JUDGE'S CONCERNED FOR SAFETY FOR THAT. 
          LIKE I SAY, IT'S, IT'S BEING WORKED ON AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR SCHEDULE IN MY MIND. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          IT'S, THEY'RE THINGS THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH AT THE MOMENT TO GET THAT DONE AND THAT'LL BE DONE INHOUSE BY THEM OR WOULD THEY HIRE A SUBCONTRACTOR? NO, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD, JUDGE? NO, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MIDAS? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO SUSTAINABILITY AND WE ARE JUST A FEW MINUTES AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. 
          SHOCKING. 
          GLAD I COULDN'T ASSIST . 
          I'M GONNA GO GET SOME COFFEE BEHIND HEAD. 
          JUST DEPENDS UPON THE CONVERSATION. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE BRYCE HERE WITH US. 
          UM, SO FOR SUSTAINABILITY, UM, THE FISCAL YEAR 23 DIRECT COST WAS ABOUT 960,000. 
          UM, FISCAL YEAR 24 DIRECT COSTS 776,000. 
          SO A DECREASE IN A BIG PART OF THAT IS DECREASES IN, UH, ONE TIME COST, UM, FOR BASICALLY SOME OF THE ONE TIME DECISION PACKAGES THAT WERE APPROVED FOR FISCAL YEAR 23. 
          UM, AND A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS ARE A LOT SMALLER THINGS. 
          THE INCREASE IN THE WAGE AND BENEFITS IS 19,000. 
          AND, UM, A FEW OF THOSE THINGS THERE THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THOSE. 
          THE, UM, OVERALL CHANGE IS A 19% DECREASE, BUT THE ONGOING PORTION IS ACTUALLY A 5% INCREASE. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN THE ONE TIME FOR SUSTAINABILITY, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 IS THEY HAVE RELOCATED OVER TO MM-HMM. 
          , THE, UM, UM, BUREAU ROAD PROPERTY. 
          SO, UM, ALLOCATION OF THAT LEASE, UH, TO THEIR DEPARTMENT. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THEIR OPERATING BUDGET BEFORE WE MOVE INTO DECISION PACKAGES? UH, BRIAN, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, A YEAR AGO YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING AT, UH, THE SUSTAINABLE CITIES PROGRAM, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS CALLED. 
          UH, WHAT, AND, AND THERE WAS SOME DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH PARTICIPATING IN THAT. 
          UH, WHAT CAME OF, UH, YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THAT? UH, SO WE ARE, WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING TO CONTINUE, UH, TO LAUNCH THAT PROGRAM IN FY 24. 
          UHM CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, BE ABLE TO LAUNCH THAT WITHIN OUR CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET. 
          SO I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE, UH, THE NEED TO INCREASE, UH, BUDGET FUNDING TO DO THAT. 
          THAT'S MAGIC TO MY EARS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YES, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M LOOKING AT, UH, PAGE TWO OF YOUR, UH, PACKET HERE, SUSTAIN TWO, WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATION. 
          I NOTE IN HERE THAT YOU'VE GOT THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT IN 23 ACCOMPLISHMENTS, NOT IN 24 OBJECTIVES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          UH, COUNCIL FERMAN, I INITIALLY HAD LOOKED AT THE ACCOMPLISHMENT SECTION, UH, IN OUR SOFTWARE, AND, UH, I VIEWED IT AS THE ACCOMPLISHMENT SINCE THE START OF THE PROGRAM, UH, NOT FOR Y 23. 
          SO, UH, THAT PORTION IS, UH, IS, IS LACKING. 
          I'VE ADDED SOME NOTES, UH, BEFORE FOR THIS TO ADD CONTEXT TO THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR FY 23, UH, THAT I, UH, DID NOT GET, UH, FULLY UPLOADED INTO OUR SOFTWARE FOR THAT. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT CONVENIENCE, UH, INCONVENIENCE THERE. 
          BUT, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, R Y 23 CAN DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHT THOSE NOW IF YOU LIKE. 
          WELL, I'M MOSTLY INTERESTED TO HEAR, UH, I BELIEVE THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROGRAM WAS BEAUTIFULLY ACCEPTED, SOLD OUT, PERHAPS NOT SURE, BUT IS IT IN YOUR BUDGET FOR 2024? YES. 
          UH, SO THE BUDGET, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE COST TO, TO STAY THE SAME, UH, FOR WHAT WE'D LIKE FOR FUNDING, UH, FOR THE HOME ENERGY PROJECT. 
          FOR, IN PARTICULAR, FOR FY 23, WE'RE ABLE TO GET ANOTHER 23 HOMES, UH, SUCCESSFULLY THROUGH THE PROGRAM. 
          SO THAT GETS US TO 48 HOMES, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROGRAM SINCE THE START OF, IN FY 22. 
          UH, EACH ONE OF THE HOMES IS AVERAGING, UH, RIGHT AROUND A METRIC TON AND 
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A HALF OF ESTIMATED EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS, UH, AS WELL AS A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS IN ESTIMATED, UH, REDUCTIONS IN THEIR UTILITY BILLS. 
          UH, WE AREN'T, UM, PROPOSING INCREASE IN FUNDING, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT IN PARTICULAR SINCE, UM, WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING INTO A CAP WITH OUR, OUR PARTNER COZY HOME OUTTA FLAGSTAFF. 
          THEY JUST HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS AND ADDITIONAL FOLKS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF AT A CAPACITY COMPONENT WITHIN THE PROGRAM. 
          ADDITIONALLY, JUST WITHIN THE NATURE OF HOW SEDONAS HOUSING MARKET IS SET UP, THERE'S A LOT OF MORE RECENT HOMES THAT ARE JUST, ARE NOT IN NEED OF THOSE BENEFITS. 
          SO, UH, IT KIND OF REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN THE STOCK THAT WE CAN ACTIVELY TRY TO PURSUE, UH, WITHIN THOSE UPGRADES. 
          UH, AND SO I WANT TO ANTICIPATE TRYING TO PUSH FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THAT WITH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS IN PLACE. 
          BUT THE PROGRAM ITSELF, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, WIDELY SUCCESSFUL. 
          UH, WE HAVE A VERY SMALL WAIT LIST AT THE MOMENT. 
          I THINK IT'S 40 PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON IT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD, JESSICA. 
          THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT. 
          OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, , HOW BIG A BANG FOR A BUCK DO WE GET IN EMISSION IN REDUCTIONS FOR THIS PROGRAM COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES YOU'VE YOU'RE WORKING ON? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO THE, UH, FOR EACH HOME IS TAKEN ABOUT A, A METRIC TON AND A HALF UHHUH . 
          WE GOT 2023 HOMES THAT WERE THROUGH IT. 
          UH, GET CLOSE TO 30 OR SO METRIC TONS FOR $90,000, ABOUT $3,000 A METRIC TON FOR REMOVAL. 
          UM, FOR THE, SAY FOR INSTANCE FOR THE GREEN POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED IN WITH APS, THAT WAS A ESTIMATED REDUCTION OF 1,350 METRIC TONS. 
          AND THE COST FOR THAT WAS RIGHT WOULD BE RIGHT AROUND 10,000 FOR A YEAR. 
          UM, AND SO THAT ONE YOU'RE AT, UH, HOW MUCH BIGGER BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
           BRYCE, UM, GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE RETROFIT. 
          IS IT AIR CONDITIONING, IS IT SOMETHING ELSE PEOPLE WATCHING? AND, UH, REMIND ME EXACTLY WHAT ARE PEOPLE GETTING? IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM, BUT HOW FAR ARE YOU GOING IN EACH HOME? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, MAYOR BLO, UH, THE, UH, HOME ENERGY RETROFIT STARTS OUT WITH AN ENERGY AUDIT, UH, THAT'S CONDUCTED BY COZY HOME, UH, COZY HOME, UH, CERTIFIED TO CONDUCT THAT ENERGY AUDIT. 
          AND IT LOOKS AT THE ENTIRE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND TRIES TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO IMPROVE, UH, ON THE, THE ENVELOPE ITSELF. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT WEATHER STRIPPING, UM, AIR DUCT, CEILING INSTALLATION, REPAIRS, MINI SPLIT INSTALLATIONS, HEAT PUMP INSTALLATIONS, UH, AND, UH, DUCT WORK AND THE LIKE. 
          SO IT TRIES TO COVER THE MAJORITY OF THE, THE KIND OF, UH, BREAD AND BUTTER, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY COMPONENTS WITHIN THE HOME. 
          IT DOES NOT COVER, UH, WINDOW REPLACEMENTS OR DOOR REPLACEMENTS. 
          UH, THOSE DO HAVE BENEFITS INTO IMPROVING ON THE EFFICIENCY OF THAT HOME, BUT, UH, THEY'RE GENERALLY MORE EXPENSIVE AND HAVE LESS, AS YOU SAID, THE BANK FOR THE BUCK COMPONENT. 
          UH, SO THIS ONE IS REALLY FOCUSES ON THOSE COMPONENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF WINDOWS AND, AND DOORS IN PARTICULAR, BUT WHAT TYPE, SO YOU THEY'RE GETTING THE AUDIT, ARE THEY GETTING ANY KIND OF REPAIRS IF THEY NEED IT, IF THEY HAVE AN OLD 30 YEAR OLD H V A C PACK ON THE ROOF OR, UH, SOMETHING EVEN OLDER, ARE, ARE PEOPLE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A DISCOUNT TO HAVE THAT UNIT REPLACED? YEAH, SO IF THE, UH, IF THE AUDIT, UH, COMES BACK, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CUSTOM TAILORED TO THAT HOME. 
          SO IT IDENTIFIES WHAT, UH, CAN BE IMPROVED WITHIN THAT. 
          SO IF THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE TO HVAC UNITS OR, UH, THAT COULD BE SWAPPING OUT TO HEAT PUMP INSTALLATION OR, OR THE LIKE, UH, THEY'RE DEFINITELY ELIGIBLE TO GO UP TO THE FUNDING AMOUNT. 
          UH, THE FUNDING AMOUNT WE HAVE IS ON A SLIDING SCALE, UH, BASED OFF OF REPORTED INCOME, UH, FOR RESIDENTS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM. 
          UH, AND THEY'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO GO LIKE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT FUNDING AMOUNT. 
          SO IF CO COZY HOME, UH, COMES IN AND PROVIDES A REPORT THAT SAYS YOU COULD DO 5,000 WORTH OF WORK AND WE'VE ALLOTTED UP TO $3,500 FOR FUNDING FOR IT, THE RESIDENT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THAT 5,000 MARK, THEY CAN WORK WITHIN THOSE CONFINES SO THAT WE DON'T ADD AN EXTRA BURDEN ONTO THE HOMEOWNER THAT'S PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROGRAM. 
          UH, BUT THE, THE AUDIT ITSELF CAN HELP IDENTIFY THOSE ADDITIONAL THINGS. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE'RE ALSO, UH, ROUTINELY REACHING OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS, UH, THAT, UH, HAVE INQUIRIES ABOUT IT TO, UH, IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN, UH, IF IT IS A, SAY A SOLAR INSTALLATION THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT'S NOT COVERED BY COZI HOME, BUT THERE ARE FEDERAL TAX CREDITS, UH, THAT COULD BE APPLICABLE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE PIECES IN PLACE FOR THEIR INTEREST TO, UH, TO HIGHLIGHT ADDITIONAL REVENUE OR ADDITIONAL SOURCES FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THEIR HOMES. 
          AND IS THE AUDIT RESTRICTED TO PEOPLE WHO WILL LEFT LESS AFF AFFLUENT, WHERE THE REPAIRS, 
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I WOULD UNDERSTAND IF THEY, THEIR INCOME IS MUCH HIGHER, BUT FOR IF THEY WANT THE AUDIT, CUZ NOT MANY PEOPLE WOULD DO THE AUDIT. 
          I WOULD THINK, UH, I'VE ONLY HEARD OF THIS, UH, TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PROJECT HERE AND ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DO IT FOR THEMSELVES, THE REPAIRS, BUT THE AUDIT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          SO ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS? UH, THE RESTRICTIONS IS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR APPLICATION PROCESS FOR IT, BUT THERE ARE NO INCOME RESTRICTIONS, UH, FOR, FOR THE AUDIT ITSELF. 
          UH, SO IT'S JUST DEPENDING ON FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE OPERATION, UH, TO GET THE AUDITS, UH, BUT THERE ARE NO FUNDING RESTRICTIONS OUTSIDE OF, UH, THE APPLICATION THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED AND THE RESIDENCE NEEDS TO BE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY LAST QUESTION, IT SAYS HERE IN YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS YOU RECEIVE $15,000 GRANT TO ENGAGE THE DONORS IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY AND CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING. 
          HOW DID THAT TURN OUT? UH, SO THAT ONE IS, UH, SLIGHTLY OUTDATED. 
          AS I MENTIONED. 
          I, I, UH, MISREAD, UH, THE COMPONENTS, UM, OF, FOR THE MACCLEAN, UH, PIECE FOR THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. 
          BUT, UH, THAT PIECE AS FAR AS I KNOW, WAS, WAS QUITE SUCCESSFUL, UH, WITH MACKENZIE AND, UH, KAYLEIGH'S EFFORTS AT THE TIME TO ENGAGE, UH, THE COMMUNITY LARGELY AROUND THE DANTE AREA, UH, FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING. 
          UH, THEY SHARED ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS FOR IDEAS FOR SHARED USE PASS AND THE LIKES. 
          SO, UH, THAT OUTREACH EFFORT HAS, HAS BEEN, UH, SUCCESSFUL IN MY MIND, UH, FOR THE ULTIMATE, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMUNITY INPUT FOR THE CREATION OF THAT PLAN. 
          IS THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE TO MOVE FORWARD AGAIN? YES. 
          UNDER YOUR, UNDER YOUR WATCH? YEAH, SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO GET ENGAGEMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, SO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S LIKE THE SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE OUR UPCOMING, UH, URBAN HEAT ISLAND DATA COLLECTION EVENT, UM, AND THE LIKE IS JUST TRYING TO FIND WAYS FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ENGAGE, UH, ACTIVELY WITHIN DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WE WOULD OFFER WITHIN SUSTAINABILITY. 
          SO, UH, CONTINUING TO FIND THOSE ADDITIONAL OUTREACH, UH, COMPONENTS. 
          UH, ALSO, UH, WITH THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT, UH, LOOKING TO ADAPT THE APPLICATION, UH, TO ALSO BE IN, UH, SPANISH SO THAT I CAN TRY TO, UH, IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO, MIGHT BE WILLING OR INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING. 
          THANK YOU, BRYCE. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          UH, KATHY AND THEN BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, BRYCE, I, THE AMOUNT FOR THE, UM, HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTION COSTS IS UP $9,000 PROJECTED, BUT THE AMOUNT, THE TARGETS FOR THE POUNDS COLLECTED IS DOWN FROM THE F Y 23 PROJECTION AND ALSO DOWN FROM THE F Y 22 ACTUAL. 
          SO CAN YOU JUST TALK, SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE? UH, YEAH, SO COSTS ARE, HAVE BEEN KIND OF FLUCTUATING ACROSS THE, THE WASTE REDUCTION AND ELECTRONIC, UH, RECYCLING SEC SECTORS. 
          UM, THE, THE VENDOR THAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS ON THE ELECTRONIC RECYCLING SIDE IS CURRENTLY STEPPING, UH, STEPPING OUT OF THE ELECTRONIC RECYCLING COMPONENT. 
          UH, AND SO WE'RE HAVING TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL, UH, ELECTRONIC RECYCLING VENDORS THAT COULD, UH, FACILITATE IT. 
          A LOT OF THEM ARE COMING OUT OF THE PHOENIX AREA, SO THERE'S SOME INCREASED COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED, UH, WITH THAT AND JUST, UM, SOME OF THE MATERIALS THEMSELVES ARE BE BECOMING MORE DIFFICULT TO DISPOSE OF. 
          UH, IN PARTICULAR WE'RE SEEING THAT ON THE HOUSER, JUST HOUSEHOLD WASTE SIDE. 
          UH, CLEAN HARBORS, UH, HAS BEEN OUR PARTNER FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS FOR IT. 
          UH, THEY'RE REPORTING JUST NUMEROUS INCREASES THAT ARE COMING FROM THE DISPOSAL OF THE ACTUAL MATERIALS. 
          UH, AND SO IT'S KIND OF DRIVING UP THE COST TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TO COLLECT ALL OF IT AND, AND PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, THE, IN TERMS OF THE, THE KIND OF THE, THE DIP THAT WE HAD IN, IN A, IN ATTENDANCE LAST YEAR, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY WE HAD THAT, THAT DIP CUZ WE, UH, DID MORE MARKETING, UH, THAN WE'VE DONE IN YEARS PAST FOR IT. 
          UM, WE HAD IT AT A SIMILAR TIMEFRAME. 
          I THINK THAT THAT SAME WEEKEND THOUGH, THERE WAS THE SEDONA ARTS FESTIVAL, IT WAS THAT, I'M ANTICIPATING THAT PROBABLY PULLED SOME PEOPLE AWAY, UH, FROM THE EVENT. 
          UH, BUT OUR VENDORS THEMSELVES ARE REPORTING THOSE INCREASES TO THE ACTUAL DISPOSAL OF IT, AND THAT'S TYING INTO THE QUOTES THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVING US, UM, FOR THE, THE EVENT ITSELF, WHICH DRIVING UP THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THE EVENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT WITH THE COST GOING UP, WHICH I'M FINE WITH THE INTENT ANTICIPATE, BUT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE VENDORS IN PHOENIX, YOU COULD BE ABLE TO REPLACE, UM, THE COMPANIES THAT WILL TAKE THE MATERIAL. 
          BUT WHY WOULD YOU, WHY WOULD YOU UNDERESTIMATE REDUCE THE ESTIMATE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO COLLECT THAT, UH, REDU REDUCTION IN ESTIMATE? I'M, I'M KIND OF VIEWING THAT 20 20 20 21, UH, EVENT IS ALMOST LIKE KIND OF PENT UP, UM, PENT UP DEMAND TO GET RID OF MATERIALS, UH, AT THAT TIME. 
          AND SO I FEEL LIKE THE, THE DIP THAT WAS SEEN, UH, MAY BE MORE REFLECTIVE OF KIND OF LIKE A RE CORRECTION IN IT. 
          UH, AND SO I WANTED TO ADJUST KIND OF THAT, UM, THAT 
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BASELINE FOR IT TO BE TRYING TO BE MORE IN THAT KIND OF MIDDLE WITHIN IT INSTEAD OF CONTINUING PROJECTION UP. 
          CAUSE I THINK THAT 20 20, 21 RANGE, UH, IS, IS DEFINITELY KIND OF LIKE AN OUTLIER, UH, IN, IN THE EVENT COLLECTION OR, OR THE AMOUNT OF MATERIALS THAT WERE COLLECTED. 
          BUT IF YOUR MARKETING IS SUCCESSFUL AND, AND YOU END UP GETTING A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN YOU ANTICIPATED, THE RESOURCES WOULD BE THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ON A DIFFERENT, UM, QUESTION, UH, WHICH MY HIGHLIGHTER WENT ON THE WRONG LINE, UH, CREATED THE FRAMEWORK FOR COMMUNITY FOOD SCRAPS COMPOST DROP OFF PROGRAM AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK, HOW, HOW SUCCESSFUL WAS THAT? WHAT'S THE RATE OF USERSHIP? DO YOU KNOW? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. 
          UH, ONE SECOND. 
          MY, I GOT LOGGED OUT. 
          UH, THERE. 
          IT'S, UH, SO SINCE THE START OF THAT PROGRAM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT ALLOTTED FOR 50 RESIDENCES, AND WE'RE AT THAT 50 RESIDENCE MARK. 
          UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT WITH OUR, UH, CONTRACTOR FOR THE EVENT AND F OR FOR THAT PROGRAM AND F Y 24. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING, UH, ANY INCREASED COSTS WITH THAT. 
          IT SEEMS TO BE WITHIN, UH, WITHIN OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE VENDOR, UH, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENCE THAT WE CAN ACCEPT WITHOUT HAVING TO, UH, INCREASE THE COST FOR THE CONTRACT ITSELF. 
          BUT SINCE THE START OF THE, UH, PROGRAM, THERE HAVE BEEN OVER, UH, THREE AND A HALF TONS OF FOOD WASTE THAT HAS BEEN, UH, DIVERTED, UH, FROM THE LANDFILLS SINCE THE START OF THE PROGRAM. 
          COOL. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST, UH, VICE MAYOR AND THEN, OH, NO, I'M SORRY, BRIAN. 
          AND THEN VICE MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, BACK TO HOME RUN, HOME ENERGY RETROFIT. 
          JUST QUICKLY, THE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM HOUSEHOLD INCOME ALLOWED TO QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM? SO TO QUALIFY FOR INCREASED FUNDING LEVEL OR TO JUST PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM? PARTICIPATE, UH, THERE IS NO, UH, FUNDING CAP OR INCOME CAP THAT WOULD, UH, PRECLUDE, UM, PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM. 
          UH, THE INCREASED FUNDING LEVELS THAT, SO AN AUDIT IS RIGHT AROUND A HUNDRED DOLLARS. 
          IT CAN GO UP TO A FUNDING AMOUNT OF UP TO 5,000. 
          UP TO THAT 5,000 MARK, UH, IS DEPENDENT ON AREA MEDIAN INCOME. 
          SO, UH, A BIT OF THE HOUSEHOLD SIZE AND THE REPORTED INCOME FOR IT. 
          AND SO BASED OFF OF THOSE BRACKETS, UH, IF YOU'RE 120% ABOVE THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, IF YOU'RE BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND 120%, THAT GETS YOU TO THAT, THAT 5,000 RANGE. 
          IF YOU'RE OVER 120%, THEN YOU ONLY QUALIFY FOR JUST THE AUDIT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, INTERESTING DISCUSSION OPPORTUNITY THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL, JUST ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY IN GENERAL, CUZ IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO JUST BE MASSIVELY OVERSUBSCRIBED WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN THAT COULD CERTAINLY USE RETROFITTING. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. 
          HI BRYCE. 
          HOW ARE YOU DOING? HOW'S THE JOB? I'M DOING ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS FOR ASKING. 
          YEAH, YEAH, IT'S GOING WELL. 
          HAVE YOU REPLACED YOURSELF YET? UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING, UH, TO GET A, A CANDIDATE SELECTED HERE THIS WEEK, AND SO, UH, WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR INTERVIEWS THE LAST FEW WEEKS OR WHATNOT, SO, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN BACKFILL MY POSITION SHORTLY. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          UH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          I NOTICED THAT THE FAST CHARGERS, UH, ARE FOR F Y 25 AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE BUDGET FOR FY 24. 
          WHY IS THAT? UH, SO PART OF THAT IS, UH, THE ASPECT FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL CHARGERS IS JUST, UH, TRYING TO IDENTIFY GRANT FUNDING THAT WE COULD, UH, SECURE THAT GIVES US ENOUGH LEAD TIME TO ACTUALLY GET THE, AN IMPLEMENTATION THAT IS, WOULD BE EFFECTIVE FOR THEM, UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN GET IT TO BE KIND OF LINED UP AT THE SAME TIME AS, UH, POTENTIALLY FOR THE START OF THE MA LIKE THE, UH, MAINTENANCE HUB FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT OBSERVATIONS OR THE LIKE. 
          SO THERE'S COMPONENTS THAT I THINK COULD BE BUILT INTO THAT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF SPACE OUT THE TIMING OF IT, UM, IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL INITIAL WORKLOAD AND THEN WORK, WE CAN KIND OF FIT IT INTO OUR PROJECT TIMELINES. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY WITH THE, UH, THE PROPOSED DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING EFFORT, A FUNCTION OF THAT PLAN, UH, WOULD BE TO, OR THAT PROPOSED PLAN WOULD BE TO IDENTIFY LOCATIONS THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR, AS WELL AS IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE UPGRADED BY THE UTILITY SCALE TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE CHARGERS. 
          AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME GROUNDWORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN PLACE BEFORE I, UH, TRIED TO PITCH ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO TRY TO GET THOSE CHARGERS INSTALLED. 
          RIGHT. 
          NOW, WOULD THAT BE WITH ELECTRIFY AMERICA OR SOMEBODY ELSE, OR YOU DON'T KNOW YET? YEAH, I DO NOT KNOW YET. 
          IT COULD BE THROUGH A VARIETY OF SOURCES. 
          SO ELECTRIFY AMERICA INSTALLED THE ONES AT POSSE GROUNDS, UH, AT FREE OF CHARGE, UH, TO THE CITY. 
          AND SO THERE WASN'T A GRANT THAT WAS, UH, ASSOCIATED, UH, WITH THAT ONE OR WHATNOT, BUT IT WAS AN 
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AGREEMENT, UH, WITH ELECTRIFY AMERICA. 
          SO IT, IT MOST LIKELY COME FROM ADDITIONAL SOURCES, BUT I WOULDN'T RULE OUT A POTENTIAL, UM, POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WITH ELECTRIFY AMERICA ON THAT. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          UH, WE HEARD FROM THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP A DESIRE TO HAVE A SINGLE, UH, WASTE WASTE HAULER CONTRACT IN PLACE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU DISCUSSED WITH THEM OR DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT AS TO THE, HOW THAT WOULD FIT IN WITH OUR CARBON REDUCTION AND OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN GOALS? UH, YEAH, I THINK HAVING, IF NOT A SINGLE PROVIDER, GETTING THE ABILITY TO HAVE A CORROBORATION TO GET DATA FROM OUR, OUR CURRENT, UH, CURRENT WASTE HAULERS IN THE AREA. 
          THAT'S JUST ON OUR END, IT'S JUST BEEN PROBLEMATIC TO TRY TO GET THOSE RELATIONSHIPS FORMED, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE DATA THAT IS IN A USABLE FORM, UH, THAT WE CAN HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF JUST HOW MUCH WASTE WE'RE COLLECTING AND THE LIKE. 
          SO A LOT OF OUR EMISSIONS ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW IN THAT REALM ARE MORE OF A GENERALIZED NUMBER BECAUSE WE'RE LACKING MORE OF THAT GRANULAR DATA THAT'S COMING THAT WOULD COME FROM THE WASTE HAULERS. 
          UH, SO THE WASTE HAULERS THEMSELVES, UH, DON'T REALLY HAVE TO, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEDGE GOES, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE TO REPORT THE AMOUNT OF WASTE THAT THEY COLLECT. 
          IT ENDS UP JUST GETTING CHARGED AT THE TRANSFER STATION THAT THEY GET TO. 
          BUT ONCE IT GETS TO THAT TRANSFER STATION, BEING ABLE TO AGGREGATE HOW MUCH OF THAT CAME FROM SEDONA VERSUS HOW MUCH CAME FROM COTTONWOOD AND THE, LIKE, IT'S REALLY KIND OF MESSY AND VERY DIFFICULT. 
          UH, IF IT DID GET TO A SPOT WHERE WE COULD HAVE ONE WASTE HAULER THAT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT, UH, COMPONENT TO IT, UH, I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THAT. 
          SO, UM, I JUST IN THE REALM OF JUST HOW IT WOULD WORK WITHIN THE, HOW RULE WE ARE AND THE SERVICE PROVIDERS IN THE AREA THAT CAN SERVICE IT, JUST HAVING THOSE COORDINATION POINTS WHERE ALL THE WASTE HAULERS ARE KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE, UH, FOR REQUIREMENTS FOR IT, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE IDEAL FOR THAT. 
          BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE A, A PREFERENCE ON ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          IT JUST AS LONG AS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CHIP OFF AND MAKE SOME STRIDES IN THAT REALM. 
          I THINK WHERE THEY WERE COMING FROM WAS NOT ON COLLECTING DATA ABOUT HOW MUCH WASTE THIS HAUL, BUT MORE ABOUT THREE OR MORE, LET'S SAY THREE UH, PROVIDERS ON A MONDAY ALL ON THE CITY STREETS IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           GOING BACK AND FORTH AND THE REDUCTION OF CARBON EMISSIONS AS A RESULT OF ONE TRUCK GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET VERSUS THREE TRUCKS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK HAVING THAT COMPONENT WOULD DEFINITELY BE HELPFUL. 
          UM, AND SO THAT MIGHT BE, THERE MIGHT BE A LAG IN BEING ABLE TO SEE A REDUCTION IN VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED BECAUSE THE, WE GO OFF OF THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DATABASE FOR, FOR THAT, AND THERE'S ABOUT A TWO ONE TO TWO YEAR LAG, AND WHEN THEY GET THEIR VEHICLE MILES TRAVEL NUMBERS FOR MY GREENHOUSE FOR GREENHOUSE GAS CALCULATIONS VERSUS WHAT WE MIGHT SEE FROM THE WASTE HAULERS THEMSELVES. 
          BUT, UH, IMPROVING ON EFFICIENCIES WITHIN THAT A ONE HAULER, UH, COMPONENT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL THERE. 
          SO OF ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE HIGHEST BANK, FOR THE BUCK FOR SUSTAINABILITY, AND WHEN I SAY THAT IT COULD BE STAFF TIME VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL DOLLARS, WHERE WOULD THIS FIT AND WHAT WOULD BE YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY? UH, MY HIGHEST PRIORITY FROM A, LIKE A GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, ACCOUNTING PERSPECTIVE IS, UM, IDENTIFYING ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES WITH OUR, UH, ELECTRICITY AND NATURAL GAS PROVIDERS. 
          UH, SINCE THEY'RE OUR KIND OF OUR LARGEST, UH, UH, LARGEST EMISSION SOURCES AT THE MOMENT, UH, TO TRY TO FIND THOSE CONNECTION POINTS WOULD BE MY ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THERE WOULD BE MY KIND OF HIGHEST PRIORITY, THE WASTE COMPONENT, GETTING A, UH, A STRONGER FOUNDATIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF JUST HOW MUCH WASTE TO GET THOSE NUMBERS TO BE BETTER, UH, WOULD BE PROBABLY RIGHT BEHIND. 
          SO I'D SAY IT'S LIKE ONE A, ONE B, UH, BUT, UH, THE INITIAL COMPONENT OF JUST MAKING SURE THAT OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE AND THE SOURCING FROM AS MANY RENEWABLES AS POSSIBLE, THAT WOULD BE MY INITIAL KIND OF PERSPECTIVE ON IT, UM, FROM A GREENHOUSE GAS ACCOUNTING SIDE OF THINGS. 
          AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, ARE YOU MAKING PROGRESS WITH OUR MUNICIPAL PLAN WITH, UH, WITH THE INVENTORIES FOR IT OR FOR THE, LIKE UP THE PLAN ITSELF? THE PLAN ITSELF, UH, WE'RE DEFINITELY MAKING SOME PROGRESS WITHIN THAT. 
          AND SO, UM, FOR INSTANCE, WE ARE, WE CREATED AN INTERNAL WORKING ON INTERNAL TRAINING, UH, PACKET, UH, FOR SUSTAINABILITY THAT'S BUILT WITHIN THE, THE PLAN. 
          UH, THE PLAN HAS A GOAL OF BEING A HEALTHY, UH, WORKFORCE, UH, AND THAT COMPONENT HR HAS DONE A NEW NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HAVE HELPED BOLSTER THE EFFORTS, UH, WITHIN THAT REALM. 
          UH, THE GOAL THAT WE HAVE FOR BEING CARBON NEUTRAL, UH, THE ACQUISITION OF THE GREEN POWER PARTNER PROGRAM, UH, HELPED GET US FROM ABOUT 37% RENEWABLES IN 2021, 
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UH, ESTIMATING THAT TO BE ABOUT 45% OR SO AT THE TAIL END, UH, FOR 2022. 
          UH, AND SO THAT'S HELPING US DRIVE THOSE REDUCTIONS DOWN. 
          UM, THE KIND OF THAT TRANSITION TO, UH, ZERO EMISSIONS, UH, VEHICLES, THAT'S JUST GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUMPY, UH, TO GET THERE JUST WITH SUPPLY CHAIN CONSTRAINTS, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENTS AND THE LIKE. 
          UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A HEADWAY THERE, BUT THAT ONE'S JUST GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE KIND OF CER CIRCUIT GOING INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A RIVER PATH, UH, TO GET TO THAT POINT, WHATNOT. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          KATHY, I THINK YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS. 
          OR JESSICA, I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I KNEW IT WAS ON MY LEFT SIDE, SO I KNOW, UM, REGARDING THE, THE COMPOSTING. 
          SO FOR NEXT YEAR, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OR FOR THIS BUDGET, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR NO ADDITIONAL COST IS, IS AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS FROM 50 TO WHAT, UH, I THINK WE'RE ESTIMATING FROM ABOUT, UH, FROM 50 TO 80, I BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SECONDLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE REPEAT CUZ I BELONG TO THE PROGRAM I'M PARTICIPATING THAT I HEAR A LOT ABOUT IS THE HAVING MORE THAN ONE SITE FOR THE COMPOSTING. 
          IS THAT ANYWHERE ON, DOES THAT, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO, I'M SAYING, UH, WHERE IS THAT IN, IN YOUR THINKING AND DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IS THAT SOMEWHERE YOU EVENTUALLY WANNA GO? ARE WE STILL IN THE PILOT PROGRAM? UM, BUT MORE THAN BECAUSE I DRIVE UP THERE AND IT'S A DRIVE AND, UM, I WONDER WHETHER, IF THE GOAL IS TO EX, I GUESS I SHOULD BACK UP AND SAY WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? UH, SO THE INITIAL GOAL IS DEFINITELY TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND AND GET MORE RESIDENTS IN IT. 
          THAT'S OUR, OUR FIRST GOAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE SECOND GOAL WOULD BE TO, UM, TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR FOLKS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A, ANOTHER LOCATION OR, UM, TRYING TO EXPAND AND GETTING SOME PARTNERSHIPS WITH SOME RESTAURANTS, UM, TO TRY TO DIVERT SOME OF THEIR WASTE AS WELL. 
          BUT FOR HOUSEHOLDS IN GENERAL, IT WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO TRY TO FIND ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS FOR IT AS IT, AS IT CONTINUES TO EXPAND. 
          I DON'T HAVE A GOOD IDEA ON WHERE THAT SECOND, UH, SITE CAN BE AT THE MOMENT. 
          UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE COLLABORATION WOULD BE LIKE IF IT IS AT A PARK THAT PARKS AND RECREATION AND PUBLIC WORKS, WE WORK IN TANDEM ON IDENTIFYING A CLASSIFICATION. 
          SO, BUT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A SECOND SITE, IS THAT DEPENDENT ON THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS YOU EVENTUALLY HAVE? CUZ THIS IS THE SECOND PHASE GOING FROM 50 TO 80. 
          IT COULD BE, UH, A FUNCTION OF THAT. 
          SO THE, THE CURRENT 80 WE BELIEVE CAN STILL OPERATE WITHIN THE SITE. 
          UH, THAT'S AT, UH, POSSE GROUNDS PARK. 
          UH, BUT IF WE WERE TO GO ABOVE THAT, UH, I THINK THEN WE'D NEED TO IDENTIFY, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, HEARING NONE. 
          ARE WE DONE, SHERRY? WITH FAR AS NO, NO. 
          DID YOU HAVE TO? UM, SO THERE IS A DECISION PACKAGE AND AFTER THE DECISION PACKAGE THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT CIP PROJECTS, THE COMMUNITY GARDENS PROJECT AND THE, UH, SO THE DECISION PACKAGE IS FOR A COMMUNITY GARDEN PROJECT, UM, THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS SAYING, UM, NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          AND THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP, UM, DIDN'T RECOMMEND IT CUZ THEY WEREN'T SURE THAT HOW EFFECTIVE THIS WOULD BE AND IF IT WOULD REALLY PROVIDE MUCH IN THE WAY OF, OF FOOD. 
          AND, UM, THERE'S, THEY WERE CITING EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES WHERE IT REALLY JUST KIND OF JUST FELL BY THE WAYSIDE BECAME A BLIGHT, AND SO THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS IN THAT AREA. 
          BRIAN, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, MORE OF A COMMENT. 
          UH, THERE IS THE SEDONA GREENHOUSE PROJECT, RIGHT? CHASTE AND, UH, ALL THE FOLKS WORKING WITH HIM. 
          I MEAN, WHY NOT PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY GARDENING. 
          THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY HAVE WHAT, THREE OR FOUR SITES, I THINK, AND THERE'S CONSTANT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THAT IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED. 
          YEAH, SO WE WERE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN, IN BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT, UH, AND HIGHLIGHT THOSE EFFORTS, UH, FROM COMMUNITY PARTNERS IN THE AREA, UH, ON OUR NOTES FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, WE ALSO, UH, HAVE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO PARTNER, UH, POTENTIALLY WITH SEDONA GREENHOUSE, UH, PROJECT TO HELP US KIND OF BOLSTER THE EFFORT AND GET IT OFF THE GROUND. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS? OKAY. 
          OKAY, NEXT. 
          SO, UM, THERE ARE A FEW CIP PROJECTS. 
          UM, SO THE CAR PROJECT, THE FIRST ONE FOR THE POSSE GROUNDS, UM, PARK, THE SOLAR LIGHTING, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CHANGING. 
          UM, IT WAS, UM, DELAYS BECAUSE OF, UM, THINGS WITH THE VENDOR. 
          UH, BUT IT TURNS OUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO QUALIFY. 
          OUR THRESHOLD FOR A C I P PROJECT IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO END UP BEING LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          SO WE'RE MOVING IT TO THE OPERATING BUDGET. 
          UH, BUT THAT WE, WE 
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DISCOVERED THAT AFTER WE ARE WAY DOWN THE PATH THAT WAS VERY RECENT THAT WE, WE GOT THAT INFORMATION. 
          UM, SO, UM, IT WILL NEED TO CARRY OVER, BUT IT WILL BE PUT IN OPERATING, UM, AS A ONE TIME INSTEAD OF BEING IN THE C I P BUDGET. 
          UM, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE PROJECTS. 
          YES, MELISSA? SO MY QUESTION REALLY ISN'T ABOUT ANY OF THESE PROGRAMS, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THE, UH, STADIUM LIGHTS THAT ARE OVER AT POSSE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I HEAR COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME ABOUT HOW BRIGHT THEY ARE RUINING DARK SKY. 
          UM, JUST WONDERING IF WE, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT? WELL, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE L E D RETROFIT ON THE STREETLIGHTS, IF THAT'S A SIMILAR THING OR DOES THAT HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC WORKS? SO THE, UM, OH, THE STREETLIGHTS, THOSE ARE AT THE STREETS, CORRECT. 
          I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A SIMILAR THING THAT CAN BE DONE TO THOSE LIGHTS OR NOT. 
          AND THEREFORE IT WOULDN'T BE ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, IT'D BE ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I MEAN, THOSE TYPES OF LIGHTS ARE QUITE DIFFERENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO SUBSTANTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MUSCO LIGHTS AT THE PARK ARE INTENDED FOR ATHLETICS AND FOR, FOR A PARK, WHEREAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MUCH TALLER. 
          THEY'RE QUITE DIFFERENT IN, IN THEIR MAKEUP AND DIFFERENT KIND OF VENDOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I I I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT THOSE BEFORE. 
          AM I REMEMBERING THAT RIGHT? UH, YEAH, WE HAVE LOOKED AT 'EM INITIALLY. 
          IT'S JUST, UM, THEIR, THE RUNTIME ON THOSE LIGHTS ISN'T, UH, FROM A EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT WHERE THE DOLLARS, UH, WOULD POTENTIALLY GO IS THAT THE, THE RUNTIME ON THE LIGHTS JUST ISN'T ALL THAT OFTEN, UH, TO MAKE A, A LARGE SCALE PROJECT THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE FOR IT. 
          UM, BUT FOR THE, THE STREET LIGHTS AS WELL AS FOR THE, THE POSSE, GROUND SOLAR LIGHTING, UH, THE POSSE, GROUND SOLAR LIGHTING IN PARTICULAR, ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE NARROW BAND AMBER, UH, DARK SKY COMPLIANT. 
          UH, AND THEY SHOULD HAVE A ADDITIONAL PHOTO CONTROL ON IT SO THAT WE CAN ADJUST THE OFF TIMES, UH, THAT WOULD BE ON THOSE LIGHT FIXTURES TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL WITHIN THAT FOR THE L E D UH, STREETLIGHT RETROFIT, UH, THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINING, UH, STREET REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR THOSE LIGHTING COMPONENTS. 
          UH, BUT, UH, IDEALLY WE'RE GONNA, UH, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO TRY TO KEEP THEM AS, AS, UH, COMPLIANT WITH DARK SKY, UH, CAPABILITIES AS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF LIGHTING FOR, FOR, UH, ROADWAYS AND THE LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT A DOT'S BEEN DOING IN THE PAST MONTH ON 89 A. 
          IT'D BE VERY SIMILAR, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, BRYCE, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SEVERAL OF THE PROJECTS. 
          SO ON THE, UH, POSSE GROUND SOLAR LIGHTING, IS THIS INCREMENTAL NEW LIGHTING TO THE PARK OR IS IT REPLACEMENT? THIS IS NEW LIGHTING. 
          UH, SO AFTER CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH PARKS AND RECREATION, UH, AND PUBLIC WORKS ON IT, UM, AND FY 22, UH, THE, THE GOAL, UH, OR THE DESIRED GOAL TO ATTAIN ADDITIONAL KIND OF SAFETY LIGHTING AND PATHWAY LIGHTING AROUND THE PARK WAS HIGHLIGHTED. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, WE DECIDED THAT WAS KIND OF WITHIN OUR WHEELHOUSE TO TRY TO TAKE ON, UH, THIS PROJECT AS A SOLAR LIGHTING COMPONENT. 
          UH, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY UTILITY LINE TRENCHING, UH, THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT. 
          SO WE'RE ESTIMATING LIKE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BEING SAVED, UH, FROM THAT COMPONENT. 
          UH, AND THERE WOULDN'T BE, UH, LIKE A UTILITY LINE CONNECTION THAT WOULD BE NEEDED AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, FROM A, SINCE THEY'RE ALL FAIRLY LOW WATTAGE LEDS, IT'S, WE'RE STILL ESTIMATING ABOUT $350 OR SO OF ANNUAL SAVINGS, UM, AND OF THE LIGHTING THEMSELVES COMPARED TO IF IT WAS TIED INTO, UM, APSS GRID, UH, TO SUPPLY POWER FOR THOSE LIGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ON THE STREETLIGHT L E D RETROFIT, WHAT'S THE, UH, JUST LIKE A, A ROUGH PAYBACK PERIOD, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PAYBACK PERIOD FOR TAKING ON THIS PROJECT? UH, SO THE, THE ROUGH PAYBACK PERIOD, UH, SO ESTIMATING AN L E D LIFESPAN RIGHT AROUND 12 YEARS, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, EIGHT HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM BULBS AND BALLAST KIND OF GO OUT, UM, RIGHT AROUND FIVE TO SIX YEAR MARKS. 
          SO WE'D ANTICIPATE HAVING TO REPLACE THOSE AROUND TWICE. 
          BUT IN ABOUT A 12 YEAR LIFESPAN FOR THE L E D, WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT A SAVINGS ABOUT $80,000. 
          UH, AND SO THAT COM, ABOUT 8,000 OR SO A YEAR, UM, ON THE ELECTRICITY, UH, SAVINGS PIECE FOR IT. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT COMPONENT, UM, SO I, I DIDN'T GET TO THE, THE FULL ROI, UH, NUMBER THERE. 
          I THINK IT'S LIKE RIGHT AT, I WANNA SAY RIGHT AROUND 13 TO 15 YEARS, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, UM, FOR IT. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT $80,000 IN SAVINGS, UH, OVER THE 12 YEAR LIFE CYCLE. 
          SO WHY ARE WE DOING IT? THAT'S A NEGATIVE ROI BASED ON THE LIFE EXPECTED LIFESPAN OF THE L E D, RIGHT? THAT'S IT. 
          IT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S A 
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$80,000 REDUCTION IN COSTS IS THAT NET NET OF THE EXPENSE OF 181,000. 
          SO IS IT REALLY LIKE 261,000 IN SAVINGS? THE, SO IT'S, IT'S $80,000 IN SAVINGS FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THAT, FOR THAT PROJECTED LIFETIME OF THAT L E D UH, BULB OR WHATNOT. 
          SO THE, UM, PROJECTED NET PRESENT COST OF THE, UH, L E D COMPONENT IS, UH, WHERE'S MY NUMBER ON THAT ONE? UM, OH MAN, I GOT THE, MY, MY WRONG SPREADSHEET FOR THAT. 
          UH, THE, THE, THE, ESSENTIALLY THE NET PRESENT VALUE COST IS ESTIMATED RIGHT AROUND, UH, I WANNA SAY ABOUT 250,000 IN TOTAL IN TERMS OF ELECTRICITY COST FOR LEDS AS WELL AS THE PROJECT COST. 
          DOING THE SAME FOR, UH, THE CURRENT SETUP AT THOSE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULES PUTS THAT NET PRESENT VALUE COSTS ABOUT 80,000 HIGHER THAN THAT. 
          THAT'S WHERE THAT $80,000 OKAY. 
          DIFFERENCE IS COMING FROM. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU HAD ME WORRIED THERE FOR A SECOND THAT THIS WAS A NEGATIVE ROI AND A DOG AND I WAS LIKE, WHY WOULD WE DO THIS? YEAH, . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SAME QUESTION FOR, UH, PROJECT SEVEN ON, UH, RETROFIT OF NATURAL GAS SYSTEMS. SO WHAT'S THE, THE ROUGH PAYBACK OR IF YOU'VE GOT THE, UH, NET PRESENT VALUE COMPARISON? UH, CUZ IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A CASE OF POTENTIALLY THROWING AWAY PERFECTLY GOOD WORKING H V A C AND WATER HEATERS. 
          UH, SO THE IDEA FOR THE, THE TRANSITION FROM THE, UH, PROPANE, UH, HEATERS AND WHATNOT, UH, ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL ANALYSIS NEEDS TO BE CONDUCTED FOR THAT. 
          I AM ANTICIPATING THAT OUR, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING PLAN WOULD GIVE US A MORE DEFINITIVE NUMBER ON WHAT THAT WOULD COST. 
          UH, THE INITIAL GOAL THOUGH IS NOT NECESSARILY FROM A EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENT OR A REDUCTION IN UTILITY COSTS, IT'S MORE OF A REDUCTION IN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS MM-HMM. 
          , UH, AND THAT THE NATURAL GAS SYSTEMS, UH, FOR THE CITY, UH, EMIT ROUGHLY 53 TO 57, UH, METRIC TONS, UH, A YEAR. 
          UH, AND SO IT'S MAINLY TRYING TO DRIVE DOWN THAT EMISSIONS COST. 
          THE UTILITY SAVINGS, SWITCHING FROM THE NATURAL GAS SYSTEM TO A HEAT PUMP SYSTEM, UH, MAY BE MORE, UH, EVEN IN SCALE IN TERMS OF LIKE A DIRECT, UH, MONETARY BENEFIT TO IT. 
          UH, SO THE INITIAL DRIVER FOR THAT IS REALLY COMING FROM TRYING TO IDENTIFY A WAY FOR GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS. 
          UH, AND I LOOKED AT THAT AS TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE COMPONENTS WHERE WE CAN REDUCE EMISSIONS NOW, UH, TO SAVE US FROM, UH, TO TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE IMPACTS WHERE IF WE WAIT TILL SAY, 2030 TO TRY TO DO IT WHEN THE SYSTEMS ARE DONE, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER FIVE YEARS OR SO OF THOSE EMISSIONS THAT AREN'T BEING MITIGATED. 
          AND SO, LIKE AN EMISSIONS TODAY HAS THAT BAKED IN COMPONENT OF, OF GREATER CHALLENGES IN THE FUTURE FOR IT. 
          BUT FROM A DIRECT FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE MUDDY ON CHANGING FROM NATURAL GAS TO ELECTRIC, UH, HEAT PUMP SYSTEMS. OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN IT'S TEED UP FOR FISCAL 25. 
          UH, LAST QUESTION IS ON PROJECT THREE, DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING PLAN. 
          SO IS, IS THIS TO PAY A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT? OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE 150 K FOR? THIS WOULD, UH, BE FOR PAYING A CONSULTANT TO HELP US I IDENTIFY, UH, AND CREATE THAT PLAN WITH US IN COLLABORATION. 
          UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY JUST IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO UPDATE OUR MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN HAS A THREE YEAR, UH, WINDOW THAT WAS BUILT INTO IT. 
          SO IT'D BE LOOKING AT LATE 2024 AS, UH, POTENTIAL UPDATE CYCLE FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS IN HOUSE, I'M WARY OF JUST GOING FROM MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLANNING TO DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING TO, UM, CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING AND JUST KIND OF CONSTANTLY STUCK IN A CYCLE OF PLANNING. 
          AND SO THE ASPECT OF TRYING TO IDENTIFY HOW MUCH THIS IS GONNA COST US TO GET THE MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS AS, UH, DECARBONIZE AS WE CAN, I FIGURED THAT WAS MORE APT TO BE ABLE TO SEND THAT TO A SPECIALIST THAT CAN HELP US GET THOSE NUMBERS IN A QUICKER MANNER THAN DOING IT INTERNALLY WHERE WE HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN IT, BUT WE DON'T SPECIALIZE IN, UH, TOTAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, COMPONENTS AND OR, UH, ALL OF THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS THAT WOULD GO INTO IT. 
          AND, UH, I WOULD BE, UH, WARY OF ALSO ADDING THAT TO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC WORKS PLATE FOR PARTICIPATION IN THOSE REALMS. 
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AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KIND OF SEPARATE THAT OUT AND HAVE A CONSULTANT WORK WITH US ON THAT. 
          SO IS THE DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING PLAN, IS THAT ULTIMATELY A BETTER SCOREKEEPING SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR? OR IS IT ACTUALLY GIVING YOU NEW STRATEGIES THAT YOU MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE HAVE? IT'D GIVE US NEW STRATEGIES THAT WE MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE HAVE. 
          AND THEN THE COMPONENT OF OUR IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM THAT WE JUST, UH, WERE ABLE TO LAUNCH IS THAT WHEN WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS, WE CAN, UH, OR ONE OF THE PROJECTS, WE CAN BOOKMARK IT ON TIME-WISE WITHIN OUR, UH, TRACKING PLATFORM. 
          AND THEN THAT'S GONNA GIVE US LIKE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING THOSE REDUCTION BENEFITS FROM, FROM THE PROGRAM ITSELF. 
          SO THE PROGRAM, THE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, UTILITY TRACKING PROGRAM IS DEFINITELY GOING TO HELP US TRACK THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE PROJECTS GOING FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND CURRENTLY OF YOU AND YOUR TEAM, APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH OF A FTE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IS SPENT ON CARBON SCORE KEEPING A GOOD AMOUNT? UH, I DON'T, I'D SAY, I'D SAY PROBABLY ABOUT HALF OF MY TIME IS, UH, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAS BEEN KIND OF SPENT TO KIND OF TRYING TO GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE OUR YOU ENERGY SOURCES ARE COMING FROM, UH, BASELINING, UM, GETTING THE CALCULATIONS CONDUCTED AND IDENTIFYING AREAS FOR ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS, UH, FOR PROJECTS RELATED TO THOSE. 
          UH, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY WITH THIS, UH, THE SOFTWARE, UH, PLATFORM THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING, UH, IT CAN HELP US IDENTIFY HIGH VARIANCE LOCATIONS. 
          SO IF, UH, A WATER BILL OR ELECTRICITY BILL IS ABNORMALLY HIGH FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIMEFRAME, WE CAN FLAG IT, UM, TO EITHER, UH, WORK WITH FINANCE ON A POTENTIAL, LIKE WHY IS THIS BILL HIGHER THAN ANOTHER ONE? OR IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON IDENTIFYING LIKE, IS THERE A WATER LEAK AT THIS SITE, UH, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT OR THE LIKE, SO IT, IT, UH, BUILDS IN SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS TO IT OUTSIDE OF JUST STRICTLY GREENHOUSE GAS CALCULATION TRACKING AND THE LIKE, UH, THAT GIVE IT A MORE COMPREHENSIVE FEEL TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE, I KNOW WE WANNA SAVE THE PLANET AND EVERYTHING, BUT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY JUST ON SCORE KEEPING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CAUSES ME CONCERN, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE WANNA DO THINGS THAT MATTER, NOT JUST SCORE KEEPS, SO WE FEEL GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I FULLY AGREE. 
          SO I THINK THAT THE ASPECT WHERE WE WANTED TO SEE, UH, IS JUST, UH, I, I'M NOT SO MUCH INTERESTED IN TO SAY LIKE WHAT SCORE WE GET FROM RESPECT OF ESG REPORTING PLATFORM AND THE, LIKE WANTED TO SEE WHERE ARE OUR UTILITY SOURCES AT, HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING IN THOSE AREAS, EITHER CONSUMPTION OR MONETARY WISE SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY PROJECTS TO KIND OF TACKLE THOSE AREAS TO HELP DRIVE, KIND OF DRIVE DOWN THOSE COSTS. 
          SO I VISUALIZED THE, UH, UTILITY TRACKING PLATFORM, NOT SO MUCH AS JUST TRYING US KEEP A, A SCORE ON THINGS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE CHECKING OFF BOXES, BUT TO IDENTIFY LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN, UH, TARGET FOR IMPLEMENTABLE PROJECTS FOR THOSE AREAS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT, UH, SUSTAINABLE CITIES INITIATIVE AND THE UPCOMING YEAR. 
          I THINK IT'S A COOL PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON? NOPE. 
          YEP, MAYOR. 
          OH, YOU DO? OKAY. 
          YEP, GO AHEAD PETE. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          THANKS, BRYCE. 
          YOU LEFT ME HANGING HERE ON PAGE SEVEN OF YOUR DOCUMENT IN THE PROJECT JUSTIFICATION. 
          THE LAST SENTENCE SAYS, ADDITIONALLY, A GOAL OF THE PLANNING EFFORTS WOULD BE TO , SORRY THAT THAT FOX DID NOT GET ADJUSTED CORRECTLY. 
          AND I DUNNO IF YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD WHAT YOU SAID, IT LOGGED ME OUT. 
          GOOD QUESTION. 
          OH, I GUESS WE'RE HAVING WIFI ISSUES AGAIN, COMPLETELY LOGGED OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M STILL IN FY. 
          PETE, WHAT DO YOU THINK IT OUGHT TO BE? ? UH, ROAD MAPPING. 
          IT WAS ROAD MAPPING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THIS IS YOUR HIGH FOR YOUR WISHLIST. 
          NOPE. 
           NOT GONNA BITE. 
          . 
          UH, ADDITIONALLY, GOAL PLANNING EFFORTS, WOULD WE DEVELOP A PILOT PROJECT IN TANDEM TO BE EX EXECUTABLE UPON COMPLETION OF THE ROAD MAPPING EFFORTS? AH, SEE, THIS WOULD'VE HELPED ANSWERS BRIAN QUESTION THEN . 
          THAT'D BEEN IN THERE. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          COUNSEL. 
          , UH, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE PASTA GROUNDS. 
          PARK SOLAR LIGHTING. 
          ARE, ARE WE SOLVING A PROBLEM? ARE WE JUST TRYING TO ACTIVATE THE PARK IN DARKER TIMES? DO YOU NO, I, IT'S, UH, IN MY MIND IT'S MORE OF, 
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UH, TRYING TO SOLVE A SAFETY, UH, CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP OF JUST, UH, PARKWAYS AND LIGHTINGS THAT WERE JUST KIND OF UNSAFE, UH, AT THE PARK, UH, DURING THAT KIND OF DUSK, NIGHTTIME CONDITIONS, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS, UH, A BALL FIELD, UM, EVENT THAT'S BEING HOSTED AT THAT TIME. 
          KIND OF LIKE ONCE YOU VACATED THAT AREA, YOU'RE IN A AREA THAT'S, UH, NOT AS, UM, DOESN'T HAVE AS MANY SAFETY ENVIRONMENTS TO IT. 
          AND SO WE VIEWED IT AS A, A SAFETY COMPONENT AS WELL AS PROVIDING JUST AN ADDITIONAL AMENITIES SOURCE. 
          BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MAINTAINED COMPLIANCE, UH, WITHIN, WITHIN DARK SKY AND THE LIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          I MIGHT, YES, I MIGHT ADD THAT, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK PUBLIC WORKS WAS EYEING THIS AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE BEFORE SUSTAINABILITY ACTUALLY TOOK IT ON. 
          SO IT WAS, IT WAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS A NEED BEFORE IT WAS TAKEN ON AS A, UH, SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVE SOLVING A SAFETY RELATED PROBLEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          LIKE BRYCE SAID. 
          YEAH, ANDY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE, THE BALLARD LIGHTS THAT WE SEE AROUND CAMPUS HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE WHAT, FOUR FOOT HIGH, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OUR, OUR INTENT IS TO STANDARDIZE THOSE. 
          SO YOU SHOULD SEE THE SAME KIND OF LIGHT IN, YOU KNOW, SUNSET PARK, CITY HALL, UH, POSSE GROUNDS EVENTUALLY DOWN AT BREWER. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON THAT  AND THE, AND AS ANDY SAID, WITH THE, THE LIGHTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PROCURE FOR THIS PROJECT, THEY'RE THE, THE, THE BALLARDS ARE THE EXACT SAME ONES, UH, THAT ARE OVER AT SUNSET PART. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, BYE. 
          VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU WORKING WITH, UH, KSB ON THE BUSINESS L E BUSINESS RETROFIT PROGRAM OR ARE THEY DOING THAT IN INDEPENDENTLY? UH, I BELIEVE THEY'RE DOING THAT INDEPENDENTLY. 
          SO YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE PROGRESSING? I DO NOT KNOW HOW THEY'RE PROGRESSING ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO BRYCE, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR SAVING PAPER BECAUSE IF THIS PRINT GOT ANY SMALLER, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO READ IT. 
          I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR THAT , SHERRY, ANY MORE? UM, THAT'S IT FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND UM, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE BECAUSE THE NEXT IS PUBLIC WORKS AND WE HAVE PUBLIC WORK SCHEDULED FOR TWO HOURS, MAYBE WE TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK. 
          OH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA JUST TO BUILD THE SYSTEM. 
          COOKIE BREAK. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU MIND IF WE DO A COOKIE BREAK INSTEAD? THERE YOU GO. 
          ALL YEAH, THE GAS PEDAL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HOW'RE WORKS IS, UM, BY FAR LIKE THE LARGEST DEPARTMENT, NOT NECESSARILY IN STAFFING, BUT WITH ALL THE CIP PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND ON, UH, ACCOUNTS PAYABLE MONDAYS AND THE HUGE STACK OF INVOICES THEY BRING OVER, THEY, THEY DO AN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF. 
          THE, UM, FOR THEIR, UM, OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 23 DIRECT COSTS, UM, WAS ABOUT 6.8 MILLION. 
          AND FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, UM, DIRECT COSTS INCREASING TO 7.4 MILLION. 
          UM, THERE'S, UH, 85,000 INCREASE IN THE ONE TIME WE'LL GO OVER THOSE. 
          UM, ACROSS ALL THE VARIOUS, UM, DIVISIONS AND PROGRAMS OF PUBLIC WORKS, THE INCREASE IN WAGE AND BENEFITS IS ABOUT 136,000. 
          UM, I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT THE VACANCY SAVINGS OFFSET WHERE WE REDUCE THE BUDGET, UM, FOR, UH, UM, AVERAGE VACANCY. 
          SO, UH, FOR PUBLIC WORKS THAT CALCULATED AT 63,000, THEY ARE ESTIMATING INCREASE IN UTILITY COSTS, BUT A DECREASE IN FUEL COSTS. 
          UM, WE DID DO AN, UH, SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASES LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THE, THE INCREASE IN, UM, FUEL PRICING. 
          UH, THERE'S INCREASES IN THE FACILITIES AND CUSTODIAL MAINTENANCE AREA. 
          INCREASE IN, UH, STREET MAINTENANCE SERVICES IS ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT ONES, THREE 58,000. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR BUS STOPS AND PARKS AND RIDES, WHICH IS PART OF THE TRANSIT FUND, BUT UNDER THE PURVIEW OF, OF WHAT PUBLIC WORKS DOES. 
          SO, UM, THE PERCENTAGE CHANGE, UM, IS 9% OVERALL AND NOT REALLY MUCH DIFFERENCE WITH TAKING OUT THE ONE TIME. 
          SO ONGOING IS ALSO A 9% INCREASE, UM, AS FAR AS ONE TIME COSTS. 
          UM, SO THE TOTAL IS, UH, ABOUT 632,000. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A NOTE HERE. 
          SO THEY HAVE, UM, A REPLACEMENT FOR ONE OF THEIR DUMP TRUCKS SLASH SNOWPLOW VEHICLES AND F TWO 50 OR SOMETHING, IS THAT THE NEW ONE OF THE F TWO 50 BIG TRUCK IS, THAT'S ONE. 
          IT'S A ONE TON FLATBED AND USUALLY SEE A DUAL AXLE ON THE BACK. 
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UM, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE ONE THAT THEY BOUGHT. 
          LIKE THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO BE CONCERNED. 
          YEAH. 
          THREE YEARS AGO, I FORGET HOW MANY YEARS AGO. 
          IT'S NOT THAT ONE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY MYSELF. 
          UM, SO, UM, WHAT WAS A PLACEHOLDER THAT WAS PUT IN THE BUDGET WAS 85,000. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE PLANNED TO BRING TO YOU ON THE 27TH, UM, FOR THE REPLACEMENT. 
          AND WE HAVE INFORMATION ON DOING THIS AS A LEASE PURCHASE, UM, AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'LL, UM, THOSE NUMBERS WILL GET ADJUSTED WHEN WE COME BACK TO SO BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT SHERRY, THE REPLACEMENT WILL BE IN KIND OR WILL IT BE ONE OF THE BIGGER TRUCKS? IT'LL BE SIMILAR, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S IN KIND, I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GAS VERSUS DIESEL. 
          SO WE WERE GONNA GET IT MUCH BETTER BY OH, THAT I GET THAT. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THOSE BIGGER TRUCKS CUZ IT'S BEEN REALLY, REALLY, UH, PRODUCTIVE DURING THE WINTER TIME, ESPECIALLY AS LAST WINTER IT WAS WORTH ITS WEIGHT, WHICH IS KIND OF HEAVY, BUT IT WAS REALLY USEFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE IN HERE FOR THE ONE TIME COST? SO, UM, I THINK PRETTY MUCH ALL THE ENGINEERS MOVED OVER TO THE BREWER ROAD PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO THEY, AN ALLOCATION OF THAT LEASE COST, UH, FOR THE ENGINEERS HAVING MOVED OVER, UM, VEHICLE LEASES. 
          THAT DOES INCLUDE THAT, THAT, UM, DUMP TRUCK SLASH SNOW CLOUD THAT WE DID BY A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, WHICH WAS AN F SIX 50. 
          UM, WE DID THE MID-STATE ENERGY EFFICIENCIES, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT THE, UM, SAVINGS, UH, THAT WE HAVE IN, IN THE UTILITY COSTS, UM, ARE SUPPOSED TO COVER THE COST OF, UM, THIS, THIS LEASE PAYMENT. 
          WE HAVE THE STREET SWEEPER, UM, LEASE PAYMENT IN HERE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN A VARIETY OF MAINTENANCE, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE IN HERE FOR POOL PARKS, AEDS, FENCES, HVAC ROOF. 
          CAN I JUST FACILITY HIGHLIGHT THE POOL, UH, THE, WHAT IS IT, THE, UH, POOL MAINTENANCE AND, AND HEAT OF REPLACEMENT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO COME BE REIMBURSED FROM THE SCHOOLS OR NO, WE, WE, WE COVER THOSE COSTS. 
          SO WE, IN OUR IGA THEY'VE TECHNICALLY AGREED TO HELP WITH THOSE COSTS, BUT WE HAVEN'T PRESSED THE ISSUE WITH THEM FOR MANY YEARS NOW, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS FAR AS LIKE THE OPERATING BUDGET, SO, UM, THERE'S NO, UH, DECISION PACKAGES FOR PARKS OR FOR PUBLIC WORKS, UM, BUT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT ON THE CIP SIDE. 
          SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE OPERATING BUDGET, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT? THE MEASURES OR? I DO. 
          PETE, I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THE INCREASE IN STREETS MAINTENANCE SERVICES, 3 58 K, IS THAT ESSENTIALLY TO RETAIN THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WE'RE JUST SUFFERING INCREASED COSTS? ARE WE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH THAT NUMBER? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU PETE. 
          UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCILOR, I'D LIKE TO FIRST MAKE INTRODUCTIONS. 
          KATIE CHADWICK, SHE'S OUR ADMINISTRATOR, HEAD ADMINISTRATOR IN OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND SO I PULLED HER ALONG SINCE SHE'S DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB AND KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THIS AND WORKING WITH SHERRY. 
          GREAT. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS, WE CAN HAVE HER LOOK THAT UP AND GET YOU THOSE ANSWERS. 
          BUT YES, ON THE, UH, STREETS AND MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS WE WENT OVER BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP FROM LAST YEAR, UM, THERE WAS WEATHER ISSUES AND DELAYS THAT DIDN'T GET ALL OF WHAT OUR PLANNED PAVED MAINTENANCE ARE. 
          SO THIS YEAR WITH ME ON BOARD, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT DONE AND CAUGHT UP WITH OUR PLAN FOR THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO INCREASED OTHER DELAYS BECAUSE OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON, UM, EDGE, EDGE REPAIR AND DRIVEWAY, UM, INTERFACING OF WHERE WE WERE APPLYING OUR FAST. 
          SO IT WAS TWO PARTS ON THAT. 
          SO WE WERE HIRING A CONTRACTOR TO DO PRE-WORK, WHICH WAS A CUTTING BACK VEGETATION, PUTTING A MARICOPA EDGE IN, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT TREATMENT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE EDGE OF DRIVEWAYS TO MAKING SURE WE HAD LESS COMPLAINTS FROM CITIZENS. 
          SO A LOT OF THAT, THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY WENT TO THAT EFFORT. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO HE'S ASKING ABOUT THE INCREASE FOR 24, AND I THINK THAT'S A MATTER OF SOME OF THIS ADDITIONAL PRE-WORK THAT KURT'S ALLUDING TO THAT WE EX WE EXPECT A NEED TO BE DONE IN ADVANCE OF OUR PAVING OPERATION. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TAKING ON MORE STREETS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DOING 
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A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE, IT'S THE SAME SERVICE, BUT IT'S SOME OF THIS PRE-WORK THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT WE'RE ADDING IN FOR FY 24. 
          IS THAT, DOES THAT HELP IT? YEAH, THAT THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT DOES HELP. 
          LIKE CRACK CEILING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PRE-TREATMENT STUFF. 
          YEP. 
          YOU, NO, BECAUSE I'M NEW UP HERE JUST TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND WHAT IT IS. 
          OUR GOALS ARE. 
          IS OUR GOAL FOR STREET PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE MILES PER YEAR OR IS IT A LEVEL OF SERVICE BASED ON IT'S ROAD ROAD CONDITION? IT'S MILES PER YEAR. 
          IF WE EVER HAD A ROAD CONDITION METRIC THAT GOES INTO THAT, DO WE, WE, WE DO HAVE THAT AS WELL. 
          SO, SO WE DO BOTH. 
          SO OUR GOAL FOR A WHILE NOW HAS BEEN FOUR TO FIVE MILES PER YEAR JUST BASED ON WHAT WE EXPECT WE NEED TO DO TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH ADEQUATE MAINTENANCE. 
          AND UM, ON TOP OF THAT WE DO HAVE, UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT VENDORS. 
          AT ONE POINT YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT ROBOTICS, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR VENDORS THAT WOULD GO THROUGH AND DO A PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT ANALYSIS. 
          WE'VE SWITCHED TO, IS IT STREET SCAN? NO, IWORKS. 
          IWORKS. 
          WE SWITCHED A COUPLE TIMES SINCE ROBOTICS, UM, TRYING TO GET THE BEST SERVICE FROM THEM ON DOING THIS ROAD ASSESSMENT. 
          BUT UM, YES, WE DO LOOK AT, AND IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR ME OUR METRICS TRYING TO KEEP OUR, UH, ROAD ASSESSMENT ABOVE A SATISFACTORY AT LEAST LEVEL. 
          AND I MEAN WE'RE REALLY PUSHING BEYOND THAT AS WELL. 
          ULTIMATELY THE GOAL FOR THIS PROGRAM IS REALLY TO GO FROM, YOU KNOW, MUCH OF WHAT WE DO TODAY AS A REHABILITATION TYPE PROGRAM, DOING THE CHIP SEAL, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FAST APPLICATION MILL AND OVERLAY, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          BUT AS WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT, WE'VE ALSO BEEN ADDING IN SOME ROBUST, UH, SEAL COATING INTO OUR PROGRAM AS WELL. 
          SO ULTIMATELY IF WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE DOING THIS THICKER AND AND BETTER QUALITY SEAL COAT PROGRAM, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MOVE BACK OFF OF THE REHAB AND, AND BOOST UP OUR PRESERVATION SIDE OF THINGS. 
          AND IF WE CAN GET TO WHERE WE NEED, WHERE WE WANT TO BE WITH THAT, THE PROGRAM WILL RUN MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY WHERE WE'RE DOING A LOT LESS MAJOR WORK AND A LOT MORE OFTEN THE MINOR OPERATIONS. 
          AND IT ALSO GIVES OUR, OUR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, A BETTER LOOKING STREET MORE OFTEN BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING IN THERE MORE FREQUENTLY AND DOING THESE, LIKE I SAID, ROBUST, UH, SEAL COATING OPERATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT, THAT KIND OF EFFORT. 
          IT, IT GOES FROM UM, A VERY CHEAP SIMPLE FOG SEAL UP TO A VERY THICK, UM, POLYMER, YOU KNOW, P SLURRY SEAL OR SLURRY SEAL. 
          UM, THE FOG SEAL, IT DOESN'T REALLY DO A LOT, BUT WE CALL IT IN OUR INDUSTRY EYE CANDY FOR OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE IT DOES DO SOME LEVEL OF PRESERVATION. 
          NOT A LOT, BUT IT LOOKS GREAT CUZ IT MAKES THE THE ROAD LOOK BLACK. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE EVEN EFFORTS LIKE THAT FOG SEAL CUZ I KNOW, YOU KNOW, ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT, YOU KNOW, UP IN THE UPPER RODEO AREA WHEN WE HAD THE FAST DONE THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART MOSTLY PEOPLE'S FIRST COMMENT IS ABOUT IT LOOKS BETTER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THEY TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT I ASK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ONLY BECAUSE I, I THINK I HAVE A, A DIFFERENT, UH, EXPERIENCE GIVEN THAT I'M RIDING MY ROAD BIKE ON THE STREETS A LOT AND, AND I SUSPECT THAT THE LEVEL OF QUALITY THAT WE'RE DOING WITH PERHAPS A VEHICLE DRIVING DOING THE AUTOMATED INSPECTION THING IS DIFFERENT THAN THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE ON MY, ON MY BIKE. 
          AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A COUNSEL AND HAVE DECIDED WISELY SO THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH WALKING AND, AND BIKING. 
          YEAH. 
          MORE SO THAN EVER. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I WONDER, YOU KNOW, I'M ONLY GONNA PULL OUT THREE EXAMPLES THAT I HAVE AND FROM MY RECENT DAYS OF RUNNING AROUND AND GUN SMOKE, WHICH COMES OFF OF THUNDER MOUNTAIN THAT WAS RECENTLY FAST SEALED, BUT SOMETHING IS, SOMETHING WAS WEIRD ABOUT THAT CONDITION OF THE ROAD. 
          IT'S GOT THIS LUMPY TEXTURE THAT I THINK, I'M SURPRISED WE DON'T HAVE RESIDENTS IN HERE JUST COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HECK ABOUT THINGS LIKE GUN SMOKE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND WHY WE WOULD'VE FASTED THAT INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY IMPROVED IT. 
          WELL, UM, THE FAST WAS A GOOD APPLICATION 
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FOR THAT. 
          IT'S NOT A HIGH VOLUME STREET, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, BUT I THINK WHAT HAPPENED THERE, WE DID HAVE ISSUES THAT PAVING SEASON WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT DONE DURING A, A HOTTER TIME OF THE YEAR. 
          AND SO SOME OF THAT MATERIAL KIND OF CLUMPED TOGETHER AND IT, IT DIDN'T SMOOTH OUT AS AS GOOD AS WE SOMETIMES WE'LL SEE. 
          BUT UM, WITH THE FAST APPLICATION, YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH A FULL, YOU KNOW, HOT CYCLE, WHICH WE'LL GET THAT THIS SUMMER WITH THAT HOT HOT SEASON YOU GET THE, THE TIRE LOADING AND THINGS ON THAT NEW PAVING SURFACE AND SOME OF THOSE CLUMPY AREAS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          NO, NO, IT, IT WAS ACTUALLY CLUMPY BEFORE WE DID THE FASTING AND THAT WAS WHAT, THAT WAS MY REACTION. 
          I SAID, BOY, DID WE REALLY WISELY DECIDE TO FAST THAT RATHER THAN FIX IT FIRST AND THEN AT SOME OTHER POINTS YEAH, THAT THAT'S A CONDITION OF PAVEMENT PRES THAT A LOT OF THAT IS JUST GONNA BE REFLECTED UP TO THAT NEW TREATMENT. 
          SO THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THIS YEAR. 
          WE WENT OUT AND MILLED OUT AREA POT FOLD AND TRIED TO DO A LOT MORE SURFACE TREATMENT SO THE, THERE WOULD BE LESS COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE FAST LIKE CEDAR RIDGE, WE DID A SLURRY SEAL AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE CITIZENS THAT JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE FAST AND THAT THERE WAS IRREGULARITIES. 
          SO WE CAME BACK AND FIXED THOSE IRREGULARITIES AND DID A SLURRY SEAL AND SO FAR SO GOOD. 
          WE HAVEN'T HEARD, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF POSITIVE I'M FEEDBACK, I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPLAIN. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO CONVEY A DIFFERENT, PERHAPS AN ENHANCED LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE MIGHT START THINKING ABOUT GIVEN OUR GOALS FOR ENHANCING WALKABILITY AND, AND CYCLING. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I, ANDY YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THE CONDITION OF SOLDIER PASS ROAD, WHICH IS REALLY QUITE DANGEROUS ON MY ROAD BIKE TODAY. 
          UH, AND THUNDER MOUNTAIN ON THE WEST END IS ALSO GETTING REALLY SEAM, THOSE SEAMS ARE BIG AND I SOME ONE SECTION I GOTTA GO OFF THE ROAD TO GET AROUND IT SO I DON'T GO JUMPING ACROSS THE THING. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, ARE WE PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL? COUPLED WITH THAT IS WE'RE BUILDING ALL THESE S SH PATHS AROUND THE CITY AND ARE WE BUILDING INTO OUR BUDGET ENHANCED MAINTENANCE FOR THOSE? UH, I WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY. 
          THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. 
          I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK. 
          I HEAR MANY, MANY POSITIVE COMMENTS AND SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE WALKING ALL THE TIME. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE SWEEPING THEM? ARE WE SWEEPING THE SHOULDERS, THE MAIN ARTERIALS WHERE WE KNOW THAT ROAD CYCLISTS GO AND ARE WE, YEAH, WE DO. 
          BUT AS, AS YOU NOTICED IN THE LAST, UH, I GUESS IT WAS SPRINGTIME WHEN WE HAD PAVED ADJACENT TO THE, TO THE SHARED USE PATH, UM, WE'LL WE'LL GET THERE, BUT IT REALLY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT SOMETIMES ISN'T NOTICED BY EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, ON OUR STAFF OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          SO UNTIL A RESIDENT LIKE YOURSELF CALLS IN AND SAYS, HEY, THERE'S AN ISSUE, THIS NEEDS TO BE SWEPT, UM, WE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THE SITUATION. 
          SO, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT AT SOME POINT TO HAVE A, A TEAM OF VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE ACTIVELY GOING ON THESE TRAILS AND REPORTING BACK, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SWEEPING, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, WEED, WEED CONTROL OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT, IT'S HARD FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE A HUNDRED MILES OF STREETS, THAT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE EVERY POTHOLE AND EVERY IMPERFECTION. 
          UM, I I DON'T THINK OUR OUR ROAD ASSESSMENT SOFTWARE OR PROGRAM NECESSARILY IS GONNA REPORT ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, MINUTE DETAILS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON OUR SHARED USE PATHS. 
          SO I THINK A VOLUN VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, UH, THAT WOULD BE FOCUSED ON THAT WOULD BE TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL. 
          AND FOLKS THAT, THAT ARE RIDING THEIR BIKES OUT THERE AND THAT ARE SEEING THIS ALL THE TIME, UM, LIKE YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, IF IF  IF YOU WANTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF THAT OR KNOW PEOPLE THAT DO, UM, YOU COULD SET THAT UP, IT COULD BE A FULL-TIME JOB. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK ABOUT AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT EXTRA MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND, WE ARE BUILDING MORE AS YOU SHOULD USE PAS AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE IN, YOU KNOW, PLANNING FOR INCREASING THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET FOR THESE THINGS. 
          WE ARE LOOKING AT MAINTENANCE, UM, OF COURSE EVERY SEGMENT OF TRAIL IS GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE. 
          SO THUNDER MOUNTAIN SANDBORNE FOR INSTANCE, REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE MUCH IN THE WAY OF MAINTENANCE OF THAT, OF THE, OF THE SURFACE 
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OF THAT TRAIL CUZ IT'S CONCRETE. 
          WHEREAS DRY CREEK AND UM, SOLDIER PASS FOR INSTANCE, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT. 
          SO WE DO HAVE OUR STAFF PROGRAMMED TO DO MAINTENANCE ON THOSE AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FOR PERFORM IN HOUSE ACTUALLY. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. 
          AND WE, WE DO THAT. 
          DO WE HAVE A, DO WE HAVE A BIKE LANE SWEEPER AND DO WE, DO WE ON A SCHEDULE RUN 'EM DOWN THE SUVS AND DOWN DRY CREEK ROAD SHOULDER AND ON THE SHOULDER OF 89 A MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT ISSUE? WELL WE HAVE A STREET SWEEPER, STREET SWEEPER, WHICH, UM, THAT PROGRAM IS REALLY FOCUSED ON STREETS WITH CURBS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UM, LESS FOCUSED ON THE OTHER SIDE STREETS. 
          IF WE WERE TO ADD ONE SPEED, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE FEASIBLE IN THE FUTURE TO ADD BIKE ROUTES FOR INSTANCE TO THAT PROGRAM. 
          BUT, UM, WE, WE KIND OF HAVE TO BE, UM, THOUGHTFUL IN, IN WHAT WE ADD TO THE PROGRAM CUZ WE, WE DEFINITELY COULDN'T HANDLE A HUNDRED MILES OF STREETS WITH OUR STREET SWEEPERS. 
          SO, BUT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN IF WE, IF WE DID LOOK AT BIKE ROUTES AND ADD THAT TO THE PROGRAM, THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. 
          YEAH, I HAVE TWO THINGS TO ADD. 
          UM, THE IWORK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT USES, UM, GPS AND HIGH DEFINITION, UM, VIDEO THAT WILL NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE STREET SURFACE, UM, CONDITION, IT'LL ALSO LOOK AT SIGNS STRIPING AND IT ACTUALLY HAS A MODULE TO LOOK AT, UM, SIDEWALKS AND S U P TO SEE IF THERE'S ISSUES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IN THAT. 
          AND IT HAS A ALGORITHM THAT WILL PART OF THE SERVICE THAT'LL LOOK TO SEE. 
          BUT I JUST TALKED TO, UH, RYAN YESTERDAY ON OUR MAINTENANCE, THEY HAVE A KICK BROOM ATTACHMENT THAT GOES TO THEIR JOHN DEERE SKID STEER THAT THEY USE PRIMARILY WHEN THEY NEED TO SWEEP SUVS. 
          I ASKED HIM TO LOOK IN DOING A VAC BROOM FOR THAT SAME ATTACHMENT. 
          HE SAYS HE HAS ONE. 
          AND MY ISSUE WAS I DON'T WANT OUR MAINTENANCE GUYS KICKING ROCKS GOING DOWN THE S U YES, IT'S GONNA GET INTO PEOPLE'S LANDSCAPING OR GOES BACK ONTO THE STREET. 
          IT'S NOT THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION. 
          SO GOOD QUESTION, UH, COUNSELOR PETE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A VACUUM BROOM, SO WE'LL ACTUALLY SWEEP A SUCK UP AND VACUUM THE SUVS AS THEY'RE MOVING ALONG. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THROUGH CONVERSATION. 
          I THINK PAYING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, PAYING SOME ATTENTION TO WHERE THE BIKE TRANS, WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUTING TRANSIT ROUTES REALLY ARE AND IT'S REALLY JUST A HANDFUL. 
          I MEAN, WE REALLY RIDE UP AND DOWN DRY CREEK AND ON 89 A AND SOLDIERS PASS AND TH AND RODEO AND YOU KNOW, DOWN 89 A TO THE, TO THE ROUNDABOUTS AND MM-HMM. 
          , THOSE, IT, IT, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED MILES A ROAD. 
          THERE'S RIGHT, THERE'S VERY FEW ROAD BIKING ROUTES THAT YOU CAN RUN IN THE CITY. 
          AND SO THAT SOAPBOX OVER, IT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER ABOUT HOW TO ENHANCE THIS, BUT GETTING JUST ENHANCED SENSITIVITY IN OUR OWN THINKING ABOUT HOW WE TAKE CARE OF ALL THIS GREAT STUFF WE'RE BUILDING IN. 
          YEAH, THAT BRINGS A POINT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING SKIP STRIPING IN OUR SUMMER SUVS TO MAKE THAT EASY DIVIDER BETWEEN THE BICYCLISTS AND MULTIPLE USERS. 
          UM, THE CONCRETE WON'T NEED THAT MUCH MAINTENANCE, BUT, UM, THE STRIPING WALL, WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT GOES THROUGH AND LOOKS THROUGH ALL OF OUR STREETS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UM, JOINT DISPLACEMENT AND UH, GRINDS DOWN ALL THOSE SO SUVS DO TAKE, UH, A MAINTENANCE, UM, AND THEY WILL OVER TIME, ESPECIALLY AS TREES AND ROOTS AND YOU GET HE AND SETTLEMENT. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND IT'S A DIFFERENT USER EXPERIENCE FROM DRIVING IN A CAR WITH RUBBER TIRES AND A SUSPENSION TO PUSHING YOUR BUGGY WALKER DOWN THE U IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE YEAH, YOUR BIKE DOESN'T HAVE SHOCKS, RIGHT? DOES NOT. 
          WELL ONE OF 'EM DOESN'T. 
          THAT'S WHY I RIDE MY BIKE. 
          SOME OF THE OTHERS DO. 
          I WON'T TELL YOU HOW MANY I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST TO TAKE ONTO PETE, UH, COMPARE WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE ROADS NOW TO WHAT THEY JUST DID ON 1 79, WHICH IS LIKE A, IT'S SUPER SMOOTH AND ALL THE CRACKS DISAPPEARED. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TEMPORARILY IT'S GONNA POP THROUGH, IT'S GONNA POP THROUGH IN SIX MONTHS, BUT FOR NOW IT LOOKS FANTASTIC. 
          SO IS THAT, ARE YOU DOING THE SAME PROCESS? YEAH, IT'S A VERY SIMILAR APPLICATION. 
          WE CALL OURS FAST ADOT CALLS THEIR PRE-CODED RUBBERIZED CHIP SEAL. 
          UM, IT'S A VERY SIMILAR, I THINK SOME OF THE POLYMERS AND THE UM, PMM, THE FOG COATING OR THE SLURRY THEY PUT ON IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CUZ THEY HAVE, THERE'S MORE 
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DESIGN FOR HIGH SPEED AND A HIGHER DURATION. 
          UM, BECAUSE ADOT DOESN'T WANT TO COME BACK AS MUCH AS A CITY OR A COUNTY, BUT THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR. 
          THE CHIPS ARE VERY SIMILAR. 
          UM, THEY'RE BOTH A HOT APPLIED. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY SIMILAR APPLICATION. 
          THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS I THINK IS BECAUSE, UM, WHAT, UH, COUNCILOR PETE SAID IS THE, IS THE PRECONDITION OF THE ROAD. 
          IF YOU HAVE A ROUGHER ROAD IN BEGINNING AND SOME, MANY OF OUR STREETS HERE ARE PROBABLY O UNDER DESIGN, MEANING WE INHERITED STREETS THAT DON'T HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH CROSS SECTION THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET THOSE, UM, DISC CONFORMITIES AND, AND THAT ARE GONNA SHOW RIGHT UP TO THE SURFACE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE TO A SLURRY SEAL AND A FOG SEAL. 
          THOSE ARE SELF-LEVELING AND WE'LL FILL IN THOSE LOWS AND HIGHS TO MAKE THE RIDE MUCH RIDE ABILITY. 
          AND REMEMBER TOO, IT'S A CHIP SEAL, SO YOU'RE GONNA GET A MUCH ROUGHER ROAD. 
          THERE'LL BE A NOSE ON IT, RIGHT? A, A NOISE, BUT THE COMPROMISE IS YOU'RE GONNA GET FAR MORE BETTER BRAKING, STEERING, FRICTION REDUCTION. 
          SO ON HIGH, UH, RAIN EVENTS OR SO ON, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS HIGH HYDROPLANING OR SO ON. 
          SO THERE'S ALWAYS THAT WE'RE PLAYING THAT COMPROMISE, YOU KNOW, SAFETY VERSUS ATHLETICS AND, AND RIGHT ABILITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTION? BRIAN? YOU HAD SOMETHING? YEAH, YEAH. 
          ON, UH, PAGE PW TWO, THE, UH, YARD WASTE COLLECTION. 
          UH, THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WENT VERY WELL. 
          I WAS IN THE VERY LAST ZONE, UH, TO BE SERVED. 
          UH, WAS CURIOUS LIKE, OH, ARE THEY GONNA BE ON SCHEDULE OR NOT? AND UH, SURE ENOUGH, THEY ACTUALLY WERE COMING THROUGH THE DAY BEFORE AND I WASN'T READY, SO I'M LIKE RUNNING OUT, GOING, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, TOMORROW, TOMORROW, TOMORROW. 
          THEY'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW. 
          I'M LIKE, GOOD STUFF. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, MY QUESTION THOUGH IS, UM, SHOULD WE BE DOING LIKE A SECOND ONE OF THOSE DURING THE YEAR? I MEAN, IT SEEMS, I I'VE HEARD SOME TALK AND I CAN'T SAY IT'S ANYTHING STATISTICALLY RELEVANT, RELEVANT, BUT RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE RESIDENTS DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN MAKING THEIR PROPERTIES FIREWISE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ALL THAT. 
          AND SO DO YOU THINK THERE'S VALUE IN DOING THE SECOND RUN OF THAT? WELL, I, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS BRING UP THAT ISSUE AND MY THEORY IS THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT MISSED, YOU KNOW, THE TIME THAT WE ACTUALLY ADVERTISED. 
          AND I HEARD THAT MORE LAST YEAR THAN I'VE HEARD IT THIS YEAR. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD IT THIS YEAR. 
          IT WAS ADVERTISED BETTER THIS YEAR. 
          EXACTLY. 
          UM, LAST YEAR, THE FIRST YEAR DOING IT, WE WERE NOT SURE WHAT OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH EFFORTS SHOULD BE EXACTLY. 
          AND WE KIND OF HONED IN ON THAT A LITTLE BETTER THIS YEAR. 
          AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAD THE STORMS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO A LOT MORE DEBRIS THAT NEEDED TO BE COLLECTED, UH, MADE THIS YEAR A A LOT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, UTILIZED BY OUR RESIDENTS WITH THAT. 
          I THINK MOVING FORWARD, IF FOLKS ARE IN TUNE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ANNUAL EVENT AND THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT, WELL I THINK WHAT WE'LL START TO SEE IS THAT KIND OF LEVEL OFF. 
          WHERE THIS YEAR WE HAD KIND OF A SPIKE IN USERSHIP AND IN THE FUTURE I THINK THAT'LL GO DOWN A BIT. 
          UM, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE HOW NEXT YEAR GOES WITH THAT. 
          THIS YEAR I DIDN'T GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WAS SUCH A HIGH USER, UH, TURNOUT ON THAT, THAT WE NEED TO DO IT TWICE. 
          UM, IT WAS DEFINITELY BETTER THAN LAST YEAR. 
          LIKE I SAID. 
          UH, ANOTHER THING THAT'S KIND OF RELEVANT, KIND OF NOT, BUT I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE ANYWAY, IS THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE EVACUATION, UM, PLANNING PROCESS AND YOU MIGHT HAVE SAW THE 12 ZONES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR AREA WAS FOR CURBSIDE, BUT OUR INTENT MOVING FORWARD FROM THIS POINT GOING FORWARD IS THAT THOSE ZONES ARE GONNA BE THE SAME. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          SO THAT YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          PEOPLE KNOW, AND THAT GETS DRILLED IN THROUGH MULTIPLE PROGRAMS, NOT JUST CURBSIDE YARD WASTE, BUT EVACUATION AND MULTIPLE OTHER THINGS. 
          YOU'RE ZONE TWO, YOU'RE ALWAYS ZONE TWO. 
          YOU'RE NOT ZONE TWO AND CARD CURBSIDE. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          , WELL, I LIKE ZONE 30 FOR RIGHT CURBSIDE AND, UH, ZONE 12 OR 13, WHATEVER. 
          I THINK THE LAST ONE IS WHATEVER MAYOR AND I ARE AT. 
          UH, I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED YET. 
          I DON'T. 
          OKAY, THANKS FOR THAT. 
          UM, ON PW EIGHT, UNDER F Y 24 OBJECTIVES, YOU MENTIONED, UH, HIGH CONGESTION TRAFFIC DAYS, AND YOU DEFINE THEM IN THE NUMBER OF MINUTES OF WHAT WOULD MAKE ONE A, UM, UH, A HIGH CONGESTION DAY, BUT NOT WHAT THE MEASURED, UH, SECTION OF ROADWAY IS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. 
          COULD, COULD YOU SHARE THOSE? SO IT'S 
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THE, UH, IT'S UH, THE FIRST BULLET UNDER COMMUNITY PLAN CIRCULATION GOAL, UH, F Y 24 OBJECTIVES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE SO UPTOWN TO BE IN 15 MINUTES WOULD BE CONSIDERED A HIGH CONGESTION DAY. 
          LIKE WHAT, WHAT SECTION OF 89 A IS THAT, UH, WELL, WHEN WE, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          WHAT PAGE WAS IT AGAIN? P W EIGHT. 
          P W EIGHT EIGHT. 
          AND IT'S UNDER THE FY 2024 OBJECTIVES PARAGRAPH. 
          IT'S THE FIRST BULLET PAGE. 
          BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. 
          OBJECTIVES. 
          FIRST BULLET. 
          MAN. 
          MINE LOOKS DIFFERENT. 
          SHERRY, DID YOU GIVE US DIFFERENT BOOKS? I INTENTIONALLY GAVE ANDY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          JUST . 
          AH, GET 'EM WORKED UP. 
          WELCOME TO DEPUTY HU. 
          OH, I'M, I'M LIKE, THIS IS PW SEVEN, I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S THIS, YEAH. 
          UPTOWN, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUR, UH, RAINBOW TROUT FARM TO THE Y SEGMENT. 
          SO THAT'S SOUTHBOUND. 
          OKAY. 
          89 A AND THEN THE 1 79 30 MINUTES. 
          THAT'S FROM WHERE TO WHERE? THAT IS BELL, BELL ROCK BOULEVARD TO THE Y THESE ARE OUR, OUR THREE MAIN, ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE OUR THREE MAIN CORRIDORS THAT WE, UM, THAT WE MAINLY KEEP TRAVEL TIME DATA ON. 
          AND, SORRY, AND COOKS HILL STARTS AT WHERE? UH, AIRPORT ROAD. 
          AIRPORT ROAD TO THE Y. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WEIRD. 
          SO WE'RE TARGETING 80 DAYS OF A OF 30 MINUTE DELAYS NEXT YEAR ON 1 79 DAYS. 
          THAT IS SOBERING. 
          OKAY. 
          ESPECIALLY SINCE I LIVE THERE. 
          IT IS. 
          UH, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          I THINK THE REST OF MY COMMENTS WILL COME IN THE PROJECT. 
          SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU BRIAN. 
          THANKS, MAYOR. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          ANDY AND THE, UH, OR KURT, EITHER ONE. 
          THE S U P AT THE LIBRARY. 
          SOMEBODY ASKED ME THIS RECENTLY AND IT'S COMPLETED NOW. 
          GUESS THE, AT LEAST THAT FIRST PHASE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THEY'RE IN FINAL, UM, COMPLETION. 
          THEY STILL HAVE SOME PUNCH LIST ITEMS THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS. 
          WHY IS THERE A BUMP? SOMEBODY ASKED ME THAT QUESTION. 
          YOU MEAN IN THE ROADWAY? IN THE ROADWAY, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S, UM, SPEED TABLE. 
          IT'S A RAISED CROSSWALK. 
          , I KEEP HEARING ALL THESE OTHER, IT SAYS THE SIDE SAYS BUMP . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S MULTI-PURPOSE. 
          IT, IT IS INTENDED TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER FUNCTION IS OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE CROSSWALK. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, A RAISED CROSSWALK SO THAT YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED TO THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, BUT IN THAT, AT THE SAME TIME, IT CREATES THE BUMP. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE A SPEED TABLE, BUT IT'S A SPEED TABLE WITH A CROSSWALK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. 
          SO IT, IT'S NOT INCORRECT TO SAY BUMP CUZ THERE IS A BUMP THERE. 
          ARE YOU DONE? NO, I'M NOT DONE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SAY THE LIBRARY IS VERY HAPPY WITH IT BECAUSE THEY HAD HUGE PROBLEMS. PEOPLE GO 30 MILES AN HOUR INTO THEIR PARKING LOT. 
          SO THE LIBRARY IS VERY HAPPY WITH, WITH THAT SPEAK CALL. 
          THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. 
          WAS THAT AT THE REQUEST OF THE LIBRARY? IT, IT WAS, THANK YOU JUSTIN. 
          KIND OF IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THEIR EXPRESS CONCERNS. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY, CAN YOU PUT A CROSSWALK HERE OR A RAISE CROSSWALK, BUT THEY EXPRESSED THERE WERE ISSUES WITH SPEEDING AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEIR, UM, CIRCULATION WITHIN THE PARKING LOT THERE. 
          WE HELPED BY GIVING IDEAS ON HOW THAT COULD BE IMPROVED AND THINGS LIKE THAT DURING THE PROJECT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS A LOT. 
          YOU BET. 
          NO, NO MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, PUBLIC WORKS, UM, CIP PROJECTS ARE GROUPED IN SEPARATE CATEGORIES. 
          SO I HAVE SEPARATE SLIDES FOR EACH CATEGORY. 
          SO WE HAVE A, A CATEGORY THAT WE BASICALLY JUST CALL OTHER PUBLIC WORKS THAT DOESN'T REALLY FIT INTO, UM, DIFFERENT, THE OTHER CATEGORIES. 
          UH, THESE ARE BOTH IN THE FUTURE PROJECTS CATEGORY. 
          THE FIRST ONE, THE CITY HALL. 
          UM, AND SO YOU HAVE TO, OH, SORRY, THE CITY HALL WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT, 
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UM, ORIGINATED AS A SUSTAINABILITY PROJECT. 
          WE SAID, WELL, LIKE, IT REALLY SHOULD BE LIKE PART OF FACILITIES, BUT SOMETHING THAT, THAT BRYCE HAD BROUGHT, BROUGHT UP AND BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS FOR THE CULTURAL PARK IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND SO THE IDEA WAS THAT WE WOULD, UM, DO SOME PLANNING AROUND THAT BEFORE WE WERE ACTUALLY READY TO PUT, UM, MONEY INTO WHATEVER WE'RE, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING THERE. 
          WAIT, I'M SORRY, JESSICA HAD HAND FIRST. 
          SORRY. 
          SO IT, IT SAYS IN THE BACK WHERE I READ IT THAT IT'S HOUSING AND THE $2 MILLION FOR CULTURAL PARK IMPROVEMENT. 
          DID I MISREAD THAT? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THAT FOR THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING THAT WE MIGHT BILL AND THIS IS TO DO PRELIMINARY WORK PRIOR FOR THE HOUSING ITSELF? IT'S A PLACEHOLDER, IT'S A PLACE CASE WHEN WE ISSUE AN RFP AND WE GET PROPOSALS FROM PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THEY HAVE AN ASK, A FINANCIAL ASK OF US EITHER TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE ON THEIR BEHALF OR JUST CONTRIBUTE IN THE FORM OF SOMETHING LIKE WE SET UP WITH SUNSET. 
          SO IT'S SORT OF A PLACEHOLDER IN ANTICIPATION THAT THERE MAY NEED TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL CON NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND I, I APPRECIATE IT BEING THERE AND I TOTALLY SUPPORT IT BEING THERE. 
          OKAY, KATHY, THEN BRIAN, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON ASKED MY QUESTION. 
          ALRIGHT, ON, UH, THE WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT, C I P DO WE HAVE KIND OF AN AVERAGE COST FOR A WINDOW AND A DOOR DOES SO WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE NOT BUYING PENTAGON TOILETS? ? I, I'M SURE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT ESTIMATE, BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THAT WAS. 
          SO WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. 
          GET BACK WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ON SITE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I HAVE A, WHERE IS THE, UM, PLAN DESIGN FOR THE CULTURAL PARK? IT, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A DECISION PACKAGE AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHERE I SAW IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS ONLY MOTION NEXT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, SIM PROJECTS. 
          UM, SO I HAD TO SPLIT THIS UP BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT SLIDES. 
          SO THIS FIRST SLIDE IS STRICTLY THE CARRYOVER, UM, PROJECTS. 
          THE FIRST ONE, THE SIM ZERO ZERO. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, OUR MECHANISM FOR DOING AN OFFSET, SAYING THAT THE, I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER WAS. 
          I THINK THE TOTAL, UM, C I P BUDGET FOR 24 WAS UM, LIKE 36 MILLION. 
          AND WE SAID, OKAY, WELL WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT NOT ALL OF THAT'S GONNA GET DONE. 
          SO WE DID A REDUCTION OF 2 MILLION TO SAY THAT'S GONNA GET CARRIED OVER TO, UM, FUTURE YEARS. 
          WE, WE HAVE CARRY OVER PRETTY MUCH EVERY YEAR, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LIST, UM, FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          UM, SO, UM, IN LOOKING AT THE, WHAT THE TOTAL THAT WAS IN 25 AND THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, UM, I PUT IN JUST A, A ESTIMATE OF 10 MILLION CARRYING OVER. 
          AND THEN IN FISCAL YEAR 26 SAYING, OKAY, NOW WE START GET, GET CAUGHT UP, CAUGHT UP ON THESE WITH 7 MILLION AND THEN THE REMAINING 5 MILLION IS ACTUALLY IN THAT FUTURE YEAR. 
          SO BASICALLY IT'D BE FISCAL YEAR 27. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS, IS IT'S JUST A, A WAY TO LIKE COME UP WITH AN OFFSET. 
          CUZ WE, WE, UM, GO THROUGH, WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS ON, UH, THE CIP PROJECTS AND LIKE, UM, TALK ABOUT, OKAY, IS IT REALISTIC? CAN WE GET THIS STUFF DONE IN THIS YEAR? AND UM, AND THEN KIND OF COME TO A POINT OF LIKE NOT REALLY, UM, KNOWING, OKAY, WELL WHICH PROJECT WON'T CARRY OVER? AND SO THEN WE DO THIS, THIS OFFSET, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE, BIG PICTURE OVERALL CIP TOMORROW, UM, AND WE'LL LOOK AT AT LIKE WHAT ALL IS IN THERE. 
          THERE'S SOME LARGE DOLLAR PROJECTS THAT WE'LL TAKE UP A BIG CHUNK OF THAT, WHAT THE NET OF 34 MILLION AND THEN, UM, AND THEN THE, THE VARIETY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, KURT AND ANDY CAN PROBABLY EXPLAIN BETTER, BUT LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A RELATION BETWEEN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK INVOLVED. 
          YOU CAN HAVE A VERY LARGE PROJECT AND YES, IT TAKES MORE TIME TO MANAGE THAT PROJECT, BUT IT'S NOT DIRECTLY CORRELATED TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT BECAUSE A SMALL PROJECT WITH A SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT STILL TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO MANAGE THAT PROJECT AND IT'S, IF IT'S HALF 
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THE COST OF THE LARGE PROJECT IS NOT NECESSARILY HALF THE AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF NOTES ON HERE ABOUT, UM, THE FUNDING THAT'S, UM, UM, OTHER FUNDING THAT'S INVOLVED, UM, AND NOTES ABOUT PROJECTS THAT ARE INCREASING IN COST. 
          UM, SO I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE. 
          I DO HAVE, UM, AS PART OF LIKE MY BALANCING OF THINGS, THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THE PARKING GARAGE WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO ISSUE BONDS FOR THE GARAGE AND, UM, FINANCE THAT. 
          AND SO WE, IN MARCH OF 22, UM, WE HAD ISSUED 25 MILLION IN BONDS AND THERE WERE THREE PROJECTS THAT WE SAID IT WAS GOING TO GO TO. 
          IT WAS GONNA GO TOWARDS THE GARAGE, IT WAS GONNA GO TOWARDS FOREST ROAD AND, UM, THE UNDERPASS. 
          AND UM, THEN JUST IN CASE, WHICH NOW I'M LIKE REALLY, REALLY GLAD WE DID, UM, WE SAID IF ANY, IF THERE ARE DELAYS IN ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS, THEN IT COULD GO TOWARDS ANY OF THE SIM PROJECTS. 
          SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE DELAY IN THE GARAGE. 
          UM, AT THIS POINT, AND I'VE, I'VE TOLD KURT, I'M LIKE REALLY COUNTING ON FOREST ROAD, LIKE REALLY STAYING ON TRACK BECAUSE THE, UM, IRS UM, DEADLINE ON WHEN WE NEED TO SPEND THOSE BOND PROCEEDS WOULD BE THE END OF FEBRUARY, 2025. 
          UM, SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE SCHEDULE SHOWS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET ALL THOSE BOND PROCEEDS SPENT, UM, IN TIME. 
          BUT IF WE END UP WITH SOME SORT OF DELAY, THEN I'M GONNA BE ON PINS AND NEEDLES, WORRY . 
          SO HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE THERE. 
          UM, BUT I AM PUTTING IN THERE OF LIKE, OKAY, SO THE GARAGE IS STILL IN THERE. 
          I KNOW WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF STUDYING AND SO UNTIL THAT STUDY'S COMPLETE AND COUNSEL REVISITS IT, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING. 
          UM, BUT I DO HAVE IN THERE THAT, UM, AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD ISSUE BONDS FOR THE GARAGE, UH, BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT AND PART OF WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO HAVE THE MONEY THAT COMES FROM THE UPTOWN PAID PARKING PROGRAM TO PAY FOR THE DEBT SERVICE ON THOSE. 
          IN THE INTERIM, UH, WE ARE USING THAT MONEY TO PAY TOWARDS, UM, THE 25 MILLION BOND ISSUE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO GO TOWARDS THE GARAGE BECAUSE WE SAID IT'S ALL OF THOSE OTHER SIM PROJECTS ARE HELPING TO BENEFIT, UM, THE, THE PROGRAM AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THAT IS, THAT IS BUILT IN. 
          UM, IF WE DO, UM, PROCEED WITH THE GARAGE TO ASSUME THAT WE WOULD DO DEBT FINANCING. 
          VICE MAYOR, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE, UH, GARAGE, UH, STUDY? DO WHAT? OH, EITHER ONE. 
          YEAH, WE'RE BOTH PART OF THE TASK FORCE , SO THIS IS HOW IMPORTANT THIS PROJECT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DONE WELL. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE YOU, YOU ALL APPROVED A CONTRACT MM-HMM. 
          , UM, TO, TO DO THE STUDY. 
          WE'VE NOW HAD TWO MEETINGS OF THAT TASK FORCE, WHICH IS MADE UP OF A HANDFUL OF STAFF FROM DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES. 
          UM, ROBERT WEBER'S PART OF THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS PART OF THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE TWO BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES AND TWO RESIDENT REPRESENTATIVES. 
          SO WE HAVE JUST GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING THE DECISION CRITERIA THAT EVERYONE COMES TO CONSENSUS AROUND AND REVIEWED SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY, UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE SOME OF THE DEMAND ANALYSIS AND PARKING COUNTS AND THINGS. 
          SO WE HAVE A SIM UPDATE SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST AND WE HOPE TO HAVE AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY REPORT. 
          SOME FINDINGS ARE AT LEAST AN UPDATE AT THAT POINT, BUT BY THEN WE MAY HAVE, WE MAY BE AT A POINT OF, OF CONCLUSIONS WHO ARE THE BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES AND WHO ARE THE RESIDENT REPRESENTATIVES. 
          SO, UM, MIKE WISE AND JOEL BAUER WHO ARE PARTNERS, UH, IN, IN UPTOWN BUSINESS, ONE OR THE OTHER COMES TO THE MEETING. 
          SO THEY KIND OF SHARE BUT NOT THERE. 
          BOTH, NOT THERE AT THE SAME TIME. 
          AND JESSE ALEXANDER IS THE OTHER BUSINESS REP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE RESIDENT. 
          AND THE RESIDENT REPS ARE, UM, JOE IS ONE AND AVER, COEM IS THE OTHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JESSICA. 
          REGARDING THE EXTRA OR THE ADDITION OF 700,000 FOR PHASE TWO OF THE NATI DRIVE, S U WHAT'S THE STATUS OF GETTING THE EASEMENT UNDER THE, UH, POWER LINES? SO OUR STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH APS. 
          UM, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THE SHARED USE PATH 
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EASEMENT IN LINE WITH THAT APS EASEMENT. 
          UM, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEIR STAFF AND TRYING TO GET AN EASEMENT PUT TOGETHER AND IT'S BEEN GOING EXTREMELY SLOWLY. 
          BUT, UM, LAST I HEARD, WHICH WAS VERY RECENTLY, UM, THEY WERE WORK WORKING ON GETTING THAT EASEMENT TOGETHER. 
          SO THERE'S AGREEMENT NOW THAT THERE WILL BETWEEN YOU, IT'S YOU AND A US AT A PS THAT THERE WILL BE AN EASEMENT THERE AND THAT WE WILL BE ABLE AT SOME POINT TO FINISH THAT DEVOTE PATH. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE IS THAT WHEN THE EASEMENT IS WRITTEN, IT'LL BE SHARED AS AN ELECTRIC EASEMENT AND SHARED USE PATH EASEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH BOTH APS AND THE CITY HAVING, UM, ACCESS RIGHTS. 
          AND YOU AT THIS POINT, AND THE $700,000 IS FOR DESIGN. 
          LET'S SEE, I JUST HAD THAT OPEN. 
          WHAT DID I DO WITH IT? UH, LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE. 
          WHAT DID IT SAY HERE? I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S RIGHT, BUT WELL, IT SEEMS RIGHT. 
          THAT SEEMS TO ME THE RIGHT AMOUNT, SO I'LL JUST ACCEPT THAT. 
          HOW'S THAT NINE? IT IT'S SHOWING AS CONSTRUCTION. 
          CONSTRUCTION, YEAH. 
          700,000. 
          WAIT A MINUTE. 
          NINE NINE SAYS INCLUDES REQUEST TO INCREASE APPROPRIATION BY $751,671 FOR PHASE TWO. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT IT IS. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THE PROJECT DETAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE PHASE TWO OF NATI TO DRY CREEK IS, UM, IN THE COMING YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 24 $50,000. 
          THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE DESIGN 50,000 AND 700,000 IN FY 25 FOR CONSTRUCTION. 
          OH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          IT'S IN 25. 
          YEAH, I I OKAY, SO THE, SO THE 50,000 IS FOR DESIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU, ARE YOU CONFIDENT OR SEMI CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN DO DESIGN BY THE END OF THE YEAR? OH, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DEFINITELY GOING FOR, YEAH. 
          VICE MAYOR, YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? YEAH. 
          IS, IS, UH, IS THE VISION TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO CULTURAL PARK PLACE ON NATI? EVENTUALLY YES, BUT NOT PHASE TWO. 
          NOT WITH PHASE TWO, NO. 
          NO, IT'S NOT PHASE TWO. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE, I'M GONNA GO DOWN TO NEW PROJECTS AND FUTURE PROJECTS IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND NEW PROJECTS. 
          EXPLAIN TO ME SIM 11 0 1 79 SIGNING AND STRIPING, UH, THAT'S THE SIDEWALK. 
          UH, OR IS THAT I DON'T, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL ADOT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THE, THE INTENT OF THAT PROJECT. 
          UM, I DON'T, I ASSUME YOU DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT, THE PROJECT YET, KURT, BUT, UM, BY OSMOSIS. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE INTENT IS, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT IS A SHARED USE PATH. 
          MOST FOLKS THESE DAYS, IF YOU TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT PATHWAY, THEY THINK IT'S JUST A NORMAL SIDEWALK. 
          YEAH, I DO. 
          SO IT'S ADDING THE CENTER LINE STRIPE. 
          IT'S ADDING SIGNAGE. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT IS INTENDED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THIS PROJECT IS MAKING IT CLEAR, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PHOTO, IT SHOWS A LITTLE BIKE SYMBOL ON THE RAMP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THAT'S THE RAMP THAT TAKES YOU FROM THE BIKE LANE UP ONTO THE SHE'S PATH. 
          AND THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, ISSUES IN THE PAST, I'M AWARE WITH, UM, THAT NOT BEING CLEAR. 
          SO PART OF THE PROJECT IS, IS, UH, HELPING OUT WITH THAT ISSUE. 
          BUT, AND I'M, I'VE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT SINCE THE ACCIDENT OVER AT, UH, CHAPEL ROAD. 
          JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE LITTLE BICYCLE LEADING UP TO THE SHARED USE PATH DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE BICYCLIST HAS TO FOLLOW IT BECAUSE BY ACCORDING TO ARIZONA, UH, TRAFFIC LAW, THEY COULD STAY IN THE CIRCLE AS LONG AS THEY MOVE TO THE CENTER OF THE CIRCLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THIS WAY NOBODY HITS THEM. 
          SUPPOSEDLY TECHNICALLY, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO DO THIS. 
          WE FEEL LIKE SAFETY, THIS IS A MEASURE THAT HELPS WITH THAT RARE PERSON THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT'S AND THAT'S GREAT. 
          WHAT'S, WHAT'S, UH, WHAT THE OP OPTIONS ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN GOING DOWN TO LITTLE HORSE SHARED USE PATH SIM 11 S THAT'S DEFINITELY IN THE, UH, EIGHT OUT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          IT IS. 
          SO, AND HOW IS THAT GONNA WORK? SO OUR STAFF HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND OUT THAT, UH, THIS PATH ALIGNMENT IS WITHIN AN AR WITHIN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEARED ENVIRONMENTALLY. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET AN A O P PERMIT. 
          BUT, UH, OUR INITIAL THOUGHT IS THAT, UM, AND I THINK KURT KNOWS AS MUCH AS I DO ON THIS ONE, SO, SORRY KURT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S PROGRAMMED FOR 25. 
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SO IN 24 OUR, OUR STAFF WOULD STILL DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON THIS, BUT THE INTENT WOULD BE TO GET THAT EIGHT OUT PERMIT AND THAT WE, WE, FROM INITIAL ASSESSMENT, IT SHOULDN'T BE A HUGE, UM, ISSUE WITH THE FOREST FOR, UM, SORRY, FOREST SERVICE AS FAR AS ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, IT'S UH, A DOT RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT'S ON FOREST SERVICE, SO THEY'RE REQUIRING US TO DO A NEPA CHECK AGAIN. 
          SO IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEARED, WE THINK WE JUST HAVE TO GET AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, CUZ IT'S EXPIRED. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK IN THAT. 
          AND THEN ONCE THAT'S CLEARED, WE CAN GET THE FOREST SERVICE ON BOARD AND GET HER APPLY FOR A RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT WITH A A DOT. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CUTOUTS ON 89 A? THE PORTION THAT WE DON'T OWN. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S A RIGHT, A RIGHT OF WAY ON THE SIDEWALK AND THERE'S A CUTOUT TO GO INTO A BUSINESS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CURB OUTS. 
          YEAH, THE DRIVEWAYS. 
          IT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          LIKE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY PAN. 
          SO THE, SO I'LL GIVE YOU SPECIFIC, DO YOU KNOW THE, UH, BY THE THAI RESTAURANT, THE ORIGINAL THAI RESTAURANT AND THE HILLTOP DELI, THERE'S CURB OUTS. 
          THERE'RE VERY DANGEROUS ONES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE? THAT WOULD BE EIGHT O EIGHT O, EIGHT O MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FEDEX? EXACTLY. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          AND HER GERARDO'S. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S VERY DANGEROUS. 
          THERE. 
          IS THAT ON A LIST WE'VE GIVEN TO THEM AT ALL? I WASN'T AWARE OF THERE BEING A CONCERN THERE. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S THE, YOU SAID THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE THERE. 
          TERRIBLE. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          IT'S TERRIBLE. 
          I, I THINK IF I, I COULD SURE. 
          BECAUSE I HAVE WHATEVER I'VE GOT TO FEDEX, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO DIE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU'VE GOT THE ROADWAY, YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALK, AND THEN YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF FEDEX FOUR, TWO OR THREE LITTLE PARKING AREAS SORT OF SLANTED TOWARD ONE OF THE, UH, CURB CUTS AND THEN THREE PARTS OF THE OTHER CURB CUT. 
          AND THEN ON THAT SIDE THERE'S YET ANOTHER CURB CUT AND THERE ISN'T REALLY ROOM YEAH. 
          TO PARK THERE. 
          THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THERE'S NOT ROOM TO PARK THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT IS, THAT IS AN EIGHT ISSUE, UM, CITY POLICY. 
          AND, UM, PRIORITY HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE NOW THAT IF REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS THAT WE TRY TO CONSOLIDATE DRIVEWAYS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT REALLY, UH, PART OF THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS, IS REALLY ABOUT THE PARKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT I'VE HEARD ADOT SAY IN THE PAST IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS IS THAT IT'S GRANDFATHERED. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE NO PARKING OTHERWISE. 
          SO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS REDEVELOPMENT AT SOME POINT, LIKE I SAID, IT IS A CITY PRIORITY TO LOOK AT ADDRESSING ISSUES LIKE THAT AND REQUIRING THEM TO FIX THAT AS PART OF THEIR REDEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE, WE HAD AT ONE TIME TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO, IF, IF RESOURCES EXISTED AND THEY JUST NEVER HAVE HAD, HAVE EXISTED. 
          UM, BUT THAT THE CITY COULD TRY TO DO SOME CONCERTED PROACTIVE EFFORT FOR THESE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE CURB CUTS AND IT WOULD FUNCTION BETTER IF THERE WAS ONE CURB CUT WITH CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT AND THAT WOULD CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IF YOU CLOSE OFF THOSE CURB CUTS YOU COULD PUT PARKING IN THOSE AREAS. 
          SO, SO, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT, WELL IT MIGHT BE ENOUGH OF AN INCENTIVE FOR SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES TO BE WILLING TO, TO COOPERATE AND WORK ON THAT AND GAIN SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING AND MAKE THINGS SAFER. 
          UM, BUT WE JUST HAVE NEVER HAD THE INTERNAL RESOURCES TO PUT INTO THAT KIND OF EFFORT OUTREACH AND COORDINATION, WHICH WOULD TAKE A LOT OF, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR SPOT. 
          MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT IF YOU ELIMINATED WHAT OF THE, THE AREA BEHIND BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE PARKED CAR AND THE SIDEWALK IS INSUFFICIENT REALLY TO ACTUALLY DRIVE THROUGH. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE THAT IN THIS SITUATION IT WOULD MAKE ANY, IT WOULDN'T HELP ANYTHING AND POSSIBLY NOT, BUT THERE ARE NUMEROUS THROUGHOUT ENTIRE, THE ENTIRETY OF 89 A YEAH. 
          THERE ARE WAY MORE DRIVEWAYS THAN IS REASONABLE AND AS PARTICULARLY AS TRAFFIC GETS, GETS MORE, YOU KNOW, INCREASES AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE LEFT TURNS AND THERE'S, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH CONFLICT THAT IT REALLY IS A SAFETY YEAH. 
          IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, THANK YOU. 
          VICE MAYOR , UH, I'M TRYING TO REFLECT BACK TO OUR JANUARY PRIORITY SETTING PROCESS. 
          AND MY QUESTIONS 
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HAVE NOW HAVE TO DO WITH SIM 11 N, WHICH IS THE HARMONY S U P, WHICH I THINK IS AND DANTE ALIGNMENT. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE NEW PROJECT SIM 11 P BREWER ROAD AND 11 Q SHELBY TWO. 
          AND I THOUGHT IN OUR PRIORITY PROCESS WE WERE TRYING TO BUMP UP THE PRIORITY OF HARMONY AND DANTE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO I'M SEEING 85,000 BEING SPENT ON HARMONY AND 370,004 25,000 ON THE OTHER TWO PROJECTS. 
          LET'S SEE, Q OH YEAH. 
          THE THING ABOUT SHELBY IS, UH, UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE DID WHAT WE CONSIDER NOW SHELBY PHASE ONE, WE THOUGHT WE WERE, UH, ABLE GONNA BE ABLE TO, UH, UTILIZE THIS CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECT SPENDING AND THAT'S, UH, REFERRED TO HERE IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION. 
          AND UM, WE FOUND OUT KIND OF TOWARDS THE END OF THAT PROJECT FROM ADOT THAT, SORRY, YOU KNOW, THEY TOOK FOREVER TO GET THE PROJECT, UM, INITIATED AND, AND THROUGH THE GRANT PROC OR THE FUNDING PROCESS AND AS IT TURNED OUT, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT FUNDING. 
          BUT THEY SAID HOW IF YOU CREATE THE SAME KIND OF NAME OF PROJECT, VERY SIMILAR SCOPE AND CALL IT PHASE TWO, YOU CAN USE THIS FUNDING. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID IS WE CREATED THIS PHASE TWO. 
          WHILE WE WEREN'T INTENDING FOR THIS TO BE THE NEXT PRIORITY IN ORDER TO USE THIS FUNDING, IT GOT BUMPED UP SO THAT SHELBY TWO RIGHT. 
          BREWER, UM, IT GOES OH, OH, I'M SORRY, BREWER. 
          YEAH. 
          BOTH OF THEM. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING SPENT ON WHAT I THOUGHT WERE LOWER PRIORITIES THAN ANTE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I'M SORRY, WHICH NUMBER IS BREWER? BREWER'S? 11 P. 
          P. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THEM NOW. 
          LET'S SEE, YOU KNOW, ADD LETTERS, . 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BREWER, IF WE WANTED TO REPRIORITIZE THAT AND MOVE THE FUNDING, UM, IN MY OPINION THAT THAT WOULD BE OKAY. 
          WOULD THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PARK? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT CONNECTS TO IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T IMPACT THE ACTUAL PARK WORK. 
          UM, I THINK OUR STAFF THAT WANTED TO PRIORITIZE THIS AND PUT IT IN THE YEARS THAT IT'S IN, UM, WERE, THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT THE PARK AND HOW NICE THIS WOULD BE TO GO WITH IT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS AN AMENITY AS PART OF THE PARK, WHICH IS ALSO A HIGH PRIORITY. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE THAT ANYTHING'S BEEN CONTRADICTED HERE, I GUESS IS MY POINT. 
          AS WE WENT THROUGH THE SECOND ITERATION OF THE C I P IN AN ATTEMPT TO REDUCE THE SCOPE FOR FY 24 BECAUSE THERE, IT, THE DOLLARS WERE SO HIGH THE, THE PROJECTS THAT WAS, OR AT LEAST MY CONSIDERATION AND, AND TRYING TO LEAVE IT THERE, UH, WHAT HAD TO DO WITH THE CONNECTION TO THE, THE NEW PARK, WE THAT, YEAH. 
          I MEAN I LOOKED AT THAT AS BEING A PART OF THAT AMENITY OF THE PATHWAY ALONG THAT PARK, WHICH IS PART OF THE, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN EXPEDITING THE PARK. 
          AND WE EVEN PUT SIGNAGE UP AND EVERYTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE PARK IS COMING SOON, THE PATH IS COMING. 
          I MEAN, I VIEW THIS AS A PRIORITY. 
          THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR PRIORITY LIST FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS. 
          SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A LESSER PRIORITY AT ALL FOR ME THAN HARMONY. 
          I MEAN THEY'RE, I SEE THEM THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THAT THAT, UH, ANDANTE GETS PUSHED DOWN? THAT'S TRUE. 
          THEY'RE ALL CO-TERM, THEY'RE ALL SPIDER. 
          THEY'RE OKAY THE WAY THEY ARE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, ANDANTE IS VERY LITTLE. 
          MONEY IS BEING, BUT THAT'S JUST CUZ IT'S DESIGN. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I THINK IT'S MOVING AHEAD. 
          IT'S JUST AT A DIFFERENT, AT A, AT A, AT AN EARLIER PHASE. 
          . 
          SO THE OTHER TWO HAVE CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 24 AND 11 IN CONSTRUCTION DOESN'T START TILL 25. 
          WHAT, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          ANDANTE IS CONSTRUCTION 25? YES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE ANDANTE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED WHILE I WAS OUTTA THE ROOM, BUT, UH, HAS THE OUTREACH DONE BEEN DONE BY THE COMMUNITY? FOR THE COMMUNITY? YES, IT HAS. 
          AND WHAT'S THE SUPPORT OR NOT? WHAT'S THE OH, THE SUPPORT WAS FOR THE ALIGNMENT TO BE ALONG, UM, AND DANTE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT ARE THE, ARE THE RESIDENTS OKAY WITH THIS? ANY I WOULD THINK THAT THEY'D BE THRILLED. 
          UH, MY MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THERE WAS A, A DECENTLY HIGH LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT. 
          WAS THERE 
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ISSUES OF NOT SUPPORT? OF COURSE. 
          WELL, JUST LIKE EVERY PROJECT WE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING HIGH OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY NOT, UM, A MAJORITY OF OF NON-SUPPORT. 
          AND DO YOU THINK THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT OR USUALLY RIGHT. 
          THAT'S THE CASE. 
          UM, JUST TO CLARIFY. 
          SO, UH, THE WAY, UM, I I WE'RE STILL CALLING IT HARMONY BECAUSE IT'S THE HARMONY AREAS. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE ALIGNMENT WAS GONNA GO WHEN WE, UM, DEVELOPED THE CONCEPT OF THIS. 
          BUT THE, THE, SO THE CON THE CONSTRUCTION, OH, I'M LOOKING AT AN OLD COPY, I'M SORRY, CONSTRUCTION 25. 
          YEP. 
          DESIGN STARTING DESIGN IS 24. 
          YEAH. 
          AND COMPLETION OF COMPLETION IN 24. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S JUST A MORE COMPLICATED DESIGN THAN SOME OF THOSE OTHER PROJECTS. 
          THOSE, UH, LIKE BREWER FOR INSTANCE, IS GONNA BE A VERY SIMPLE DESIGN, WHEREAS THIS ONE WILL BE MORE COMPLICATED. 
          THERE'S ALSO, UH, UH, CONFLICT OR COMPLICATION IN THAT THEY APPLY, WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT AND THAT'S BEING DELAYING THE PROJECT THAT'S, AND IS ALSO TRYING TO REACH OUT BILINGUAL TO THE RESIDENTS THERE. 
          SO THAT'S ADD DELAYS. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT PROBABLY COULD HAVE JUST CLEARED UP MY CONFUSION FROM BEGINNING IS THAT NEW PROJECTS AREN'T NECESSARILY NEW PROJECTS. 
          SO ALONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          HAVE WE ENGAGED WITH THE SAME CONSULTANT THAT WE USED INITIALLY FOR THE HARMONY AREA TO HELP US WITH THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, IN THE HARMONY AREA? YES. 
          YES. 
          YES, WE DID. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY, NEXT UP DRAINAGE, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ARE WE DONE WITH HIM? MM-HMM. 
          ? YES MA'AM. 
          I BELIEVE WE ARE. 
          SO STORM DRAINAGE, UM, SO THERE'S A FEW PROJECTS HERE. 
          UM, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS INCLUDE FUNDING FROM UM, YAVAPAI COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL AND COCONINO COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL. 
          UM, AND THEN THE REST WOULD COME FROM CAPITAL RESERVE MONEY. 
          SHERRY, I'M CURIOUS FOR BACK UP BEYOND, AND YOU SAID WE, WE'LL BE GETTING IT FROM COCO COUNTY LEG CONTROL. 
          HOW IS THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE GET FROM COCONINO COUNTY? DOES IT DIFFER FROM WHAT WE GET FROM YAVAPAI COUNTY? UM, YEAH, ACTUALLY YOU GUYS MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH, CUZ THEY, THEY DEAL WITH TRYING TO GET THE MONEY FROM THE COUNTY. 
          UH, TYPICALLY WE'RE AROUND 300 TO 400,000 FROM YAVAPAI COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL. 
          COCONINO COUNTY HAS BEEN, IT'S BEEN A DIFFERENT AMOUNT WHEN WE GET IT EACH YEAR. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED FUND FROM COCONINO, UH, FLOOD CONTROL IN SEVERAL YEARS. 
          IS IT TWO? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OUR UNDERSTANDING IS WE SHOULD BE GETTING FUNDING. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE SEE HERE, THE PROJECT WOULD BE SLING AND GROVE. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT FUNDING TO COME AND WE'RE UNDERSTANDING FROM COCONINO COUNTY THAT, THAT WE WILL BE RECEIVING, UH, THAT FUNDING. 
          YEAH, THAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT IF YOU, YOU'RE HITTING A BRICK WALL, MAYBE YOU'D WANT US TO CONTACT THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR IN COCONINO COUNTY. 
          IT, IF IT GETS TO THAT DEGREE. 
          I, I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THE RECENT CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN, THAT SHOULD HAPPEN FIRST BECAUSE, YEAH. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO KIND OF SEE WHERE WE ARE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL OR JUST HURT THINGS. 
          BUT COCONINO, THEY USED TO GIVE US DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, REMEMBER. 
          SO THIS IS ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THERE'S A TAXING DISTRICT. 
          THEY COLLECT THE TAXES FROM EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN COCONINO COUNTY AND THEY USED TO GIVE IT BACK TO US PRETTY MUCH DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN TWO NOW. 
          UM, CAUSE I THINK IT WAS PRE COVID TIME. 
          FISCAL YEAR 19 WAS THE LAST TIME WE GOT MARRIED. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS AND THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WERE, UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, TO DISTRIBUTE THE MONEY. 
          THEY WERE THE WAY THEY DID. 
          AND THEY BASICALLY SWEPT IT ALL FOR, UM, FIRE MITIGATION. 
          SO, AND THE ISSUES WITH, I DO REMEMBER SOMETHING AND FLAGG THAT AREA WITH, WITH FLOODING AS A RESULT OF FIRES. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGHT EVER SINCE TO SAY, OKAY, LISTEN, MAYBE YOU DON'T FUND US EVERY YEAR. 
          MAYBE IT'S NOT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, BUT SOMETHING 
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TRULY SOMETHING NEEDS TO COME BACK. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO INTERNALLY KIND OF TOUCH BASE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND CHECK BACK IN WITH COCONINO COUNTY. 
          IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A COMMITMENT TO US TO PROVIDE MONEY, THEY'RE TAKING ON MONEY. 
          IF THEY'RE TAKING, AND THEY HAVE BEEN NOW IT'S WHAT, FOUR YEARS? SO I'M JUST WONDERING, IS IT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING WITH THE COLLEGE IN YAVAPAI, THE LIBRARY DISTRICT IN YAVAPAI, ALL THE MONEY IN CO GOES TO ONE BIG POT AND IT GETS DISTRIBUTED BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY'RE SPENDING IT IN WHERE THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. SO YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE NOT, I THINK THEY WERE USING ALL THEIR FUNDS FOR MATCHING, UH, GRANTS FOR ALL OF THE FIRE MITIGATION OF, UH, AROUND FLAGSTAFF. 
          AND THAT'S, THEY NEEDED ALL THEIR CASH ON HAND. 
          AND SANDY PHILLIPS KNOWS A LOT MORE. 
          THE ASSISTANT PUBLIC DIRECTOR. 
          SHE'S BEEN DEALING FIRSTHAND WITH THIS. 
          BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY JUST NEEDED ALL THE CASH FOR THEIR, UM, MATCH GRANTS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          FEMA RA I CAN SORT OF UNDERSTAND THAT FOR, FOR FIRE MITIGATION. 
          YES. 
          AS OPPOSED TO UNFUNDING, THEY HAVE UNFUNDED LIBRARIES. 
          I THEY HAVE 50 MILLION OR 20 MILLION THIS SUMMER. 
          TIFFANY CONSTRUCTION'S DOING IT 20 TO 30 MILLION, BUT THERE'S 50 MILLION ON THE BOOKS BETWEEN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND KINO COUNTY, WHAT THEY'RE DOING AROUND THE CITY AND ALL THE FIRES THEY'VE HAD IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. 
          WELL, THANK YOU, UH, JESSICA, YOU WANTED TO YEAH, BEFORE I FORGET, I WANNA APOLOGIZE TO KURT BECAUSE I SHOULD BE DIRECTING MY QUESTIONS TO YOU, NOT TO ANDY. 
          AND SO I APOLOGIZE AND I'LL TRY AND REMEMBER TO DO THAT. 
          AND IF YOU DEFER TO ANDY, THAT'S FINE, BUT I'M JUST SO USED TO ANDY, SO I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO, NO HARM, NO FOUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NEXT STORM DRAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          STREET TRANSPORTATION. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S TWO PROJECTS HERE. 
          UM, THE STO EIGHT. 
          UM, SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE SHOWING THAT THESE AMOUNTS WERE GONNA BE, UM, FULLY COVERED BY GRANT FUNDING. 
          HOWEVER, THE GRANT FUNDING THAT WE WERE EXPECTING AND THOUGHT THAT WE HAD A GOOD CHANCE AT GETTING, UM, ISN'T GOING TO COME THROUGH. 
          SO THE 450,000 FOR DESIGN IN FISCAL YEAR 24 IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET COVERED. 
          UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO POSSIBLY TRY AGAIN AND GET THE 4.5 MILLION AND 25 TO COVER THE CONSTRUCTION COST. 
          YEAH. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT PROCESS OF REAPPLYING IS, IS ALREADY BEGINNING. 
          AND, UM, I'M CURRENTLY THE, THE CHAIR OF THE TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE OF, UH, OF NA NACO. 
          AND, UM, OH, YOU HAVE TIME FOR THAT. 
          WOW. 
          NOT REALLY, BUT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TASKED WITH IS BEGINNING THAT, THAT LIST OF PROJECTS THAT'LL GO BACK THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS. 
          HE'LL DELEGATE THAT TO ME SHORTLY. 
          I'M ASSUMING . 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE, THIS WAS IN THE ARIZONA STATE BUDGET, BUT IT ALSO IS IN SOME LESSER AMOUNT IS IN THE CONGRESSIONAL. 
          SO THE ARIZONA STATE BUDGET AMOUNT DID NOT PASS THOUGH WE COULD GO BACK AGAIN. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT THE CONGRESSIONAL HASN'T BEEN DECIDED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S TRUE. 
          I BELIEVE SO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED YET. 
          BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT OUR, OUR PROJECT HERE WAS NOT SELECTED FOR THIS CURRENT CYCLE FOR THE CONGRESSIONAL. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THROUGH, UH, KIRSTEN S'S OFFICE FOR I'M SORRY FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          OH, YOU'RE TALKING, TALKING ABOUT YOU'RE THINKING BREWER. 
          IS THAT YOU'RE THINKING BREWER ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT THE 1.2. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT. 
          YES. 
          WE HAVE CONGRESSIONAL, UM, FUNDING FOR RIGHT. 
          WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON TOO MANY. 
          RANGER BREWER. 
          BREWER RANGER. 
          WELCOME TO MY WORLD. 
          YEAH, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT, THE STO SEVEN DOES HAVE, UM, UH, POTENTIAL GRANT FUNDING ON THAT ONE AND THAT, THAT ONE WE'RE NOT. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? THAT'S NOT DEFINITELY BRIEFLY THE GRANT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A ROAD, UH, SAFE PROGRAM GRANT THAT HAS A, A LOT OF FUNDING IN IT THAT ACTUALLY, UH, ROBERT HAD DECIDED THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM THE TRANSIT ON BICYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS WHO ARE GOING UP AND DOWN BACK AND BEYOND, EVEN THOUGH OUR TSA STANDING THERE SAYING, WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DON'T DO THIS, YOU GO TO THE, ANYWAYS. 
          SO WE'RE TRACKING ALL OF THE PEDESTRIANS AND BASIC, WE'RE GOING IN THERE TO USE FOR THAT GRANT APPLICATION. 
          AND THAT'S TO TRY TO LOOK AT A WHOLE, UM, 
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CONCEPT OF HOW TO REMOVE BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS FROM THAT WHOLE, UM, ROAD AND BUILDING A WHOLE OTHER ACCESS, GETTING A WHOLE DIFFERENT GRADE CONTROL. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S A PROJECT I'D BE INTERESTED IN HOW THAT'S EVEN SUCCESSFUL ENOUGH, BUT OKAY. 
          YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE BURNING. 
          NO, YOU'RE GONNA ASK A QUESTION AND PETE PROBABLY ALSO. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO, UH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR, I KNOW KAREN IS WITH THE, UH, I'LL CALL IT THE LARS ROIG, UH, PROPOSAL OF ALTERNATE PARKING AND TRAIL ACCESS FOR CATHEDRAL, WHICH TO ME JUST SEEMS BRILLIANT ON MULTIPLE FRONTS AND TAKING OUT THE NEED FOR ACCESSING CATHEDRAL FROM BACK AND BEYOND ALTOGETHER. 
          SO IT'D MAKE A PROJECT LIKE THIS UNNECESSARY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO THINK IF WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO ELIMINATE THAT TRAILHEAD THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR APPETITE TO, TO PUSH HARD ON THE FOREST SERVICE TO PLAY BALL? WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY TRIED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS TO PUSH ON THAT IDEA AND UM, CURRENTLY IT'S A NON-STARTER WITH THEM. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO VISUAL IMPACT ON THE SCENIC BYWAY, UM, IN THAT AREA. 
          HOWEVER, WE'RE, WE HAVEN'T GIVEN UP, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE STILL INTEND TO, YOU KNOW, PUSH FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, INCLUDING WHEN THE, THE VOLPI EFFORT, UH, KICKS OFF HERE THIS FALL. 
          IT'S OUR INTENT TO BRING THAT UP AS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          UM, HOWEVER, IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT EVEN IF WE ARE ABLE TO PURSUE THAT, THAT'S OF COURSE A, A VERY LONG TERM TYPE OF PROJECT. 
          IT'S THE, THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS THAT A NEW PARKING AREA BE LOCATED WITHIN THE, THE FOREST SERVICE LAND AND WITHIN AN AREA THAT'S NOT BEEN CLEARED AS FAR AS I KNOW, UH, ENVIRONMENTALLY OR CULTURALLY OR, OR ANY OF THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD TAKE QUITE A WHILE TO IMPLEMENT. 
          THE IDEA ON THIS PROJECT IS THAT WHILE THIS WOULD BE A GREAT FACILITY TO HAVE IN THE INTERIM, YOU KNOW, MORE SHORT, SHORT TERM THAN A PROJECT LIKE THE OTHER, UM, IT ALSO WOULD BE A GREAT AMENITY FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA REGARDLESS OF BEING ABLE TO MOVE THE, YOU KNOW, HIGH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC TO A DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE SHARED USE PATHS CONNECTING EVERYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO THIS REALLY IS A SHARED USE PATH ALONG WITH SOME OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND RIGHT. 
          AND FENCING. 
          I DIDN'T CATCH THE PART ABOUT THERE BEING ANY KIND OF S U P, UH, THAT IS THE INTENT IS THAT IT WOULD BE BIKE PED, UM, ALONG WITH SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS IMPLEMENTED FOR THE ROAD ROADWAY. 
          YEAH, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT IN THE DESCRIPTION HERE. 
          WAS THERE ANY OUTREACH TO THE COM UH, THE RESIDENCE ALONG, UH, UH, BACK BEYOND ROAD? THIS HAS ONLY BEEN CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT. 
          SO NOT, NOT AT THIS POINT. 
          WE HAVEN'T, YEAH. 
          WE'RE STILL COLLECTING DATA LIKE NEAR MISS DATA FROM FIRE POLICE, THE BUS DRIVERS, AND THEN WE'LL REACH OUT TO CITIZENS SAYING, HEY, HAVE YOU HAD NEAR MISSES? THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF COURSE. 
          AND THAT'S THE PART OF THE DOCUMENTATION TO, UM, APPLY WITHIN THE GRANT TO IMPROVE OUR SUCCESS. 
          SO REALLY IT HAS TO DO WITH THE APPLICATION AND RECEIVING FUNDING. 
          I'M SURE A BIG PART OF THAT WOULD BE FIRST CONCEPTUAL SCOPING AND THERE WOULD BE HUGE OUTREACH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CUZ THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, EASEMENT ACCESS. 
          UM, MY INTENT WOULD WOULD BE A GRADE SEPARATION. 
          SO WE WOULD SEPARATE THE ROAD FROM THE P AND AND BICYCLES. 
          WELL, WHEN YOU DO THAT, KURT, LET ME KNOW. 
          I, I KNOW SEVERAL NEIGHBORS THAT RALLY EVERYBODY TOGETHER, SO MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE, USE ONE OF THEIR HOMES OR THE METHODIST CHURCH TO HAVE THE OUTREACH WITH THEM. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PROJECT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUT AN AUTO, UH, AUTOMATIC GATE THERE TO REMOVE HER. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE STILL IN. 
          WE GOTTA GET THE COST TOGETHER AND WE'VE JUST DONE SOME OVER THE FENCE TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS THERE AT, UH, THE ROUNDABOUT BACK AND BEYOND. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO DO TO REMOVE OUR TCA FROM THERE AND MAKE IT SAFE AND EASIER FOR THE RESIDENTS TO GET IN AND OUT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OH NO, IT ARE WE DONE WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON, HE SAID TWO HOURS. 
          IT'S ONLY LIKE AN HOUR AND 49 MINUTES. 
          59. 
          I KNOW. 
          USUALLY, USUALLY YOU GUYS GRILL ANDY A LOT LONGER. 
          SO I TOLD KURT TO EXPECT A LOT OF GRILLING . 
          I'M STILL MEDIUM. 
          BE A MEDIUM RARE. 
          HE'S A NEW KID. 
          I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. 
          WELL DONE. 
          HE'S A NEW KID, 
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SO I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE ALL KEPT SO WELL UP TO DATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK HERE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          THANK YOU KURT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU KATIE FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT. 
          AND ANDY. 
          SEE I DON'T WANNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT KATIE'S THE ONE WHO HELPED US ALONG, SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY, I KEPT MOVING. 
          THANK YOU SHERRY. 
           BREAK. 
          YOU WANT A BREAK NOW? BREAK? WELL, WE GOT, DO WE HAVE TRUCK HERE? LIKE AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES TIL 10? UM, SO, UM, WHY DON'T WE DO, IT WAS WAS NEXT AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD FILL THE DAY, BUT WE COULD CONTINUE ON. 
          YES. 
          OR I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD A REALLY LATE NIGHT LAST NIGHT, SO YOU WERE LIKE, NO, WE GOT THROUGH WHAT WE WANTED TO GET THROUGH TODAY. 
          THAT'S FINE TOO. 
          WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT CHUCK HAS TO SAY. 
          OF COURSE. 
          I'D LIKE TO PUSH THROUGH AS MUCH AS WE CAN TODAY RIGHT. 
          AND TAKE ON ADDITIONAL USE UP ALL OUR TIME JUST TO SEE CHUCK IN A TIE. 
          THAT'S A BIG THING. 
          I'LL JUST BE, I I'M TALKING ABOUT BEYOND. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT BEYOND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, I GOT A SHORT BREAK DOWN THERE. 
          CAN WE JUST DO, BECAUSE I, I THINK CHUCK WILL BE PRETTY QUICK. 
          ONLY TOMORROW. 
          WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING PAST IT. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE, YEAH. 
          POSSIBLY. 
          CHUCK, I WANNA START OFF BY THANKING WHAT YOU DID WITH THE, UH, THE VIDEO GROUP YESTERDAY. 
          THANKS. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I, I KNOW THAT WASN'T EASY AT ALL AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID TO HELP. 
          I HAD A THREATEN THEM WITH THE, I THINK YOU DID. 
          I THINK YOU DID. 
          SO, BUT THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO IT, UH, SO HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          23 DIRECT COSTS. 
          IT'S ABOUT 2.2 MILLION FISCAL YEAR 24, UM, GOING UP TO ABOUT 2.3 MILLION. 
          UH, THERE'S A VARIETY OF OF THINGS GOING UP AND DOWN HERE. 
          THERE IS A DECISION PACKAGE FOR 43,000, UH, ONE TIME COSTS ARE GOING UP. 
          UM, ABOUT 98,000. 
          WAGE OF BENEFITS IS ABOUT 33,000. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME OF THE TRANSFERRING AROUND. 
          SO WE MOVED, UM, THE, ITS UM, SOFTWARE LICENSE TO THE TRANSIT BUDGET. 
          SO TAKING IT OUT OF IT, UM, WE ARE MOVING ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND OF SOFTWARE COSTS FROM A VARIETY OF DEPARTMENTS OVER TO IT. 
          UM, FEELING THAT THAT WOULD HELP IMPROVE SOME OF THAT, UH, MANAGEMENT AND CHUCK BEING INVOLVED IN THINGS THAT, THAT HE NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN. 
          UM, THE, UH, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT COSTS. 
          UM, SO THERE WAS A MOVE TO ONE TIME USE OF RESERVE, UM, INSTEAD OF OUT OF THE ONGOING. 
          AND UM, THE NEW, UH, GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING STANDARD RULE THAT WE HAD TO IMPLEMENT THIS PAST YEAR REGARDING LEASES CHANGED HOW SOME OF THE LEASES ARE RECORDED. 
          AND SO THE COPIER LEASE COSTS ARE BEING MOVED TO ONE TIME INSTEAD OF, UM, THE ONGOING. 
          SO TOTAL CHANGE 5%, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONGOING COSTS, IT'S ACTUALLY A DECREASE OF, OF 1%. 
          AND, UH, KIND OF A LONG LIST HERE OF ALL THE VARIOUS ONE-TIME ITEMS WITHIN THE IT BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 ADDING UP TO ABOUT 345,000, UH, DECISION PACKAGES INCLUDED IN HERE. 
          UM, THE LEASES, THERE'S A PORTION OF THE, UM, THE FORMER SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMIN BUILDING THAT IS RESERVED FOR IT USE. 
          AND SO WE'VE, UH, ALLOCATED A PORTION OF THAT LEASE, GOT THE COPIERS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED FOR COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS MICROPHONE CONTROL INSTEAD OF HAVING JOANNE HAVE TO GO RUN BACK AND FORTH. 
          UM, SO THAT'S IN HERE. 
          AND A VARIETY OF LIKE SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE NEEDS THAT, UM, IF YOU WANT A LOT OF TECHNICAL INFORMATION ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS,  AND CHUCK CAN ANSWER SOME OF THAT. 
          WHAT IS, UM, VMWARE? UM, WHAT WE HAVE IS, UM, RATHER THAN 82 INDIVIDUAL SERVERS, UH, WE HAVE THIS REALLY LARGE COMPUTER. 
          IT, IT CONSIST SAW YOU CONSIST OF ABOUT FOUR SUPERCOMPUTERS. 
          A LARGE SANDWICH IS A HUGE STORAGE, UH, BAY OR OR DEVICE. 
          AND VER UH, WHAT WE DO IS, UM, YOU VIRTUALLY CARVE THAT UP INTO MULTIPLE SERVERS. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S COST EFFECTIVE COST QUITE A BIT LESS THAN HAVING ALL THOSE SERVERS. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT 82 SERVERS, HOW MUCH POWER THAT WOULD TAKE RATHER THAN ONE BIG SERVER. 
          UM, IT'S, SO IT SAYS IN HEAT AND ELECTRIC AND THE BIG THING FOR, UH, THE IT FOLKS IS IT'S A LOT EASIER TO MANAGE. 
          IF WE HAD 82 SERVERS, WE'D PROBABLY BE WORKING ON ONE EVERY DAY PHYSICALLY MM-HMM. 
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 AT THAT POINT. 
          UM, SO BASICALLY IT'S A LARGE VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT THAT REPRESENTS ALL OF OUR SERVERS. 
          THANK YOU CHUCK. 
          I, I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO, I DON'T ASK YOU WHAT ANY OF THIS STUFF MEANS. 
          I JUST KNOW YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT. 
          YOU DO. 
          YOUR STAFF DOES IT VERY, VERY WELL. 
          I WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING, TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO  APPRECIATE THAT. 
          BUT THANKS WHAT FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          AND UH, I DO HAVE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PHONES MONITOR, DOCKING STATIONS, ALL THAT FOR 89 5, WE IS THAT TO REPLACE PHONES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE? ARE THEY UM, THAT'S THE REPLACE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE. 
          UH, THE MAJORITY OF THAT, UM, 50,000 OF THAT IS IN, UH, SERVICE PROS, YOUR LAPTOPS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND, AND 27,000 OF THAT IS IN THE MDTS. 
          SO ALL THE OTHER ITEMS, YOU'RE TALKING TWO, 2000, 1000, UM, VERY, VERY LOW NUMBERS. 
          SO MOST OF THAT IS, UM, IN THE COMPUTERS THEMSELVES. 
          BUT YOU'RE NOT REPLACING THE PHONE SYSTEM AUTHORITY IN PLACE. 
          CORRECT. 
          THIS IS JUST, I'M JUST LEARNING HOW TO USE THE ONE I HAVE NOW. 
          IT'S, I DON'T WANNA LEARN ANOTHER ONE. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          HELLO? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS LOOKING OVER. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          OH YEAH. 
          HELLO. 
          I GOT, IT'S HARD TO DO THAT NOW. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THIS SITE, MOVING ON TO DECISION PACKAGES. 
          UM, SO THERE ARE, UM, REALLY TWO ORIGINATING FROM IT. 
          UM, THE THIRD ONE IS REALLY THE HARDWARE SOFTWARE COMPONENT FOR THE NEW POSITION IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WILL COME OUT OF THE IT BUDGET. 
          UM, SO THE UM, CELLULAR BOOST IS RELATED TO THE WASTEWATER FUND. 
          OH. 
          UM, AND SO WASTEWATER NEEDS THAT ONE IS RECOMMENDED. 
          THE, UM, IT HELP DESK POSITION IS NOT RECOMMENDED. 
          UM, AND THEN THE PORTION FOR THE MOTOR OFFICER NEEDS IS, IS RECOMMENDED. 
          DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON DECISION PACKAGES? THINGS YOU, YOU WANT CHUCK TO TALK ABOUT THESE? I DO. 
          IF WE THINK THAT THE IT HELP DESK POSITION IS HIGH, WHY? IF WE, AS IN CHUCK, WHY IS CA NEITHER KAREN NOR THE BUDGET WORK GROUP RECOMMENDING IT? WELL, I SUSPECT THAT THE BUDGET WORK GROUP WASN'T RECOMMENDING IT CUZ I WASN'T RECOMMENDING IT AND I DID SPEND A DAY WITH THEM WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH DECISION PACKAGES. 
          SO, UM, THE REASON THAT I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT IS BECAUSE WHILE HELP DESK WORKLOAD HAS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED OUR RESPONSIVENESS AND RESPONSE TIMES AND ABILITY SORT OF TO HANDLE THE WORKLOAD, UM, IS, IS STILL, IS STILL GOOD. 
          WE, WE DO HAVE, SO PAM, WHO'S OUR HELP DESK PERSON, IS CLOSE-ISH TO RETIREMENT. 
          OH NO. 
          SO ONE OF CHUCK'S CONCERNS WAS CONTINUITY SERVICE SUCCESSION PLANNING. 
          THERE IS NO ONE TO SUCCESSION PLAN TWO BECAUSE SHE IS A ONE ONE STOP SHOP. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE IN A SMALLER ORGANIZATION, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE THOSE POSITIONS WHERE YOU CAN'T CROSS TRAIN. 
          I MEAN THAT THE ENGINEERS CAN DO WHAT SHE DOES, BUT THEY'RE, THAT IS NOT A GOOD USE OF THEIR TIME AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON PROJECTS IN THE NETWORK AND SO FORTH. 
          SO WHAT CHUCK AND I TALKED ABOUT WAS ONE, LET'S FIND OUT FROM PAM KIND OF WHAT IS THAT TIME TIMELINE. 
          AND IT TURNS OUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, AT LEAST WHAT SHE'S SAYING NOW THAN WE THOUGHT. 
          BUT BECAUSE SHE'S ALREADY AN INTERNAL PERSON, WE SHOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT NOTICE THAT SHE IS GOING TO BE INTENDING TO RETIRE. 
          AND WHAT I'VE COMMITTED TO CHUCK WAS THAT AS SOON AS WE KNOW THAT AND WE KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS, THAT WHAT I AM ABLE TO DO IS AUTHORIZE A DOUBLE FILL. 
          SO I'M, I WOULD BE ABLE TO AUTHORIZE US HIRING A HELP DESK PERSON, ALLOWING THEM WHATEVER TIME CHUCK FEELS IS SUFFICIENT TO, TO TRAIN BEFORE CAN LEAVES SO THAT THERE IS CONTINUITY. 
          UM, I THINK WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, MAYBE EVEN NEXT YEAR, WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT ADDING A SECOND, BUT I WASN'T REALLY CONVINCED THAT THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND THERE WOULD BE A FULL 40 HOUR WORKLOAD, UH, ADDITION NEEDED. 
          NOW IS THAT FAIR, CHUCK? I  THAT'S THAT'S FAIR. 
          AND, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ASPECT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE, UM, IT HAS HAD A POSITION THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FILL OPEN ALL YEAR. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET IT PEOPLE. 
          UM, WE ARE NOW COMPETING THE EVERYWHERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE USED BE SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU COULD, YOU GET TO MOVE TO SEDONA AND WORK IN IT, YOU KNOW, BUT BASICALLY PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO SEDONA AND COTTONWOOD AND WORKING FOR 
          [07:00:01]
IT IN SAN FRANCISCO OR NEW YORK OR ONE OF THESE OTHER MAJOR AREAS. 
          SO WE'RE UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE NOW COMPETING AGAINST THAT IN THOSE SALARIES. 
          UM, I, I'VE BEEN GETTING PEOPLE THAT COUPLE YEARS EXPERIENCE IN IT, UM, TOPS ASKING FOR OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND I'M LIKE, OUCH. 
          YOU KNOW? UM, SO WHAT LEVEL, WHAT POSITION IS IT THAT YOU HAVE OPEN? UM, IT WAS ONE THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR. 
          IT'S A ENGINEERING POSITION, ENGINEERING. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT ONE PERSON WE TALKED TO, UH, THE OTHER DAY. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA BRING HER BACK IN A SECOND TIME. 
          SHE'D BE MORE OF AN ENTRY LEVEL. 
          UM, SO THAT MIGHT EASE SOME OF THE HELP DESK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THIS IS A, THIS IS A MAJOR CHALLENGE FOR US MM-HMM. 
          BECAUSE THE PRIVATE, WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS PAYING FOR IT PEOPLE IS WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THE, THE FOLKS THAT WE DO HAVE HERE AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO BE HERE AND INVEST. 
          UM, BUT, BUT IT'S EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE AND THOSE SALARIES ARE COMMENSURATE WITH OUR DIRECTOR LEVELS AND ABOVE. 
          AND SO FROM AN INTERNAL EQUITY PERSPECTIVE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE SIMPLY CAN'T FILL THESE POSITIONS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE MAKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT A DIRECTOR MAKES TO ATTRACT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, TO, TO GRAPPLE WITH AND FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW TO GET THESE POSITIONS FILLED. 
          JESSICA'S FIRST, I THINK JESSICA'S RIGHT ON THAT POINT. 
          DID YOU WANNA TALK? DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? I DID NOT. 
          NO. 
          THANK YOU THOUGH. 
          NO, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THINKING OF, IS OUTSOURCING AN OPTION? NOT, NOT NOT IN THE SECURITY REALLY LOCALLY. 
          I, IF YOU'RE IN THE PHOENIX METRO, YOU KNOW, OUTSOURCING IS A, A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN IN RURAL ARIZONA. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH OUTSOURCING, UM, I COULD GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES. 
          UH, THE PEOPLE YOU OUTSOURCE TO ARE NOT NECESSARILY, UM, VERY GOOD ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, CITY COTTONWOOD WAS HEAVILY COMPROMISED WITH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT THEY HAD OUTSOURCED. 
          UM, THAT'S, SEDONA HAS NEVER BEEN COMPROMISED. 
          UM, AND THAT'S JUST A RISK. 
          I DON'T WANT TO TAKE HOW YOUR MOUTH , UNLESS YOU CAN, CAN YOU, UH, CLONE PAM IN ANY WAY? I COULD TRY. 
          I I'LL ASK HER TOMORROW. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? ON I, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THE CIP PROJECT, SO THIS IS THE EERP SYSTEM. 
          UM, AND SO IT DOES INCLUDE A VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN HOW MUCH WE'RE REQUESTING WHEN WE ORIGINALLY HAD SUBMITTED THIS, UM, REQUEST. 
          IT WAS MANY YEARS AGO. 
          AND WE HAD TALKED TO SOFTWARE COMPANIES BACK THEN TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH WE SHOULD PUT IN. 
          SO THIS REFLECTS AN UPDATE OF MORE CURRENT INFORMATION THAN WE GOT FROM SOFTWARE COMPANIES AND FROM CONSULTANTS WHO WOULD HELP US THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, SO, UM, I HAVE, UM, SO OUR NEW PROCUREMENT OFFICER THAT YOU GOT TO MEET LAST NIGHT, HEIDI, SO SHE'S PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT OF AN RFP FOR A CONSULTANT TO COME ON BOARD TO HELP US WITH THE SELECTION PROCESS. 
          I NEED TO REVIEW THAT. 
          I'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT BUSY WITH BUDGET STUFF, BUT I'M THINKING I WILL HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES HERE VERY, VERY SOON, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT MOVING AND GOING. 
          UM, DOES HEIDI REPORT TO YOU, SHERRY? YES. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S IT FOR 18. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          45 SECONDS. 
          NOT THERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NOW WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. 
          BEFORE WE GET TO GRILLING THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? UM, 10 MINUTES. 
          15, 10 GREYHOUND. 
          10. 
          WE'LL DO 10 BECAUSE WE'LL COME BACK AT 15. 
          OH, IT WAS OKAY. 
          I IT'S CAUSE THE COUNCIL. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SKIP CMO. 
          IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND JUMP AHEAD TO THE, THE NEXT TAB IN YOUR BOOKS. 
          WE'RE SKIPPING THE TAB FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
          WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT. 
          UM, TOMORROW MORNING FIRST THING. 
          OKAY, SO THIS'LL BE OFF. 
          THIS'LL BE THE LAST BECAUSE THE STAFF WASN'T ALL PREPARED TO BE HERE. 
          THIS, SO, OKAY. 
          WE HAD A SCHEDULE WHERE HAS, BUT WE'D TO, WE HAD A SCHEDULE WE'D LIKE TO FINISH UP BY FIVE. 
          YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          FINE. 
          YES. 
          SO WE'RE DOING TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE BASICALLY TAKING WHAT WAS FORMERLY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND KIND OF MORPHING IT INTO THIS, UM, TOURISM 
          [07:05:01]
AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES OR NOW WE'RE USING THE INITIALS T E I TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SAY. 
          OH, I LIKE THAT. 
          UH, SO FOR SUMMARY CHANGES FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT BUDGET TO THE T E I BUDGET, FISCAL YEAR 23, DIRECT COSTS WERE ABOUT 313,000 GOING IN FISCAL YEAR 24 TO 424,000. 
          UM, THERE IS A DECISION PACKAGE, WHICH IS A, A BIG SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN HERE FOR 200,000. 
          AND ESSENTIALLY ALL THE REST OF IT IS SOME DECREASES. 
          SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE IN ONE TIME COST. 
          UM, DECREASE IN WAGES OF BENEFITS. 
          WE HAD AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. 
          UM, WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET IS, UM, A TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES MANAGER. 
          UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT MORE FOR, OR IS THERE GOING TO BE A MANAGER AND A COORDINATOR? I'M NOT EVEN CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THAT, BUT, UM, CAUSE WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW? NO, I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA FINISH THIS PART, BUT, UH, I CAN GO INTO THE WHOLE THING IF, IF YOU'RE READY FOR IT. 
          UM, KIND OF THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS AROUND BUILDING OUT THE TOURISM BUREAU. 
          WE'RE READY. 
          WE'RE READY. 
          SO, SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND I REACH OUT TO, TO COUNSEL TO GIVE YOU THE HEADS UP THAT I WAS POSTING FOR A TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES COORDINATOR. 
          UM, THAT POSITION, I AM NOT, THAT'S NOT THE POSITION THAT'S IN HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT IS A POSITION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOME OF THAT 1.67 MILLION THAT WAS THE ALLOCATION FOR THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT WITH THE CHAMBER THAT WE HAVE NOW. 
          IT IS NOT IN THIS BUDGET YET. 
          IT IS IN A CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT UNDER GENERAL SERVICES. 
          AND WHEN WE NEED FUNDS TO DRAW FROM THAT POOL TO BUILD OUT THIS PROGRAM, WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE THEM. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNSEL TO BE ABLE TO DO INITIALLY, BECAUSE WHEN WE PREPARED THIS BUDGET AND WE PUT TOGETHER DECISION PACKAGES, BECOMING A TOURISM BUREAU WAS NOT ON OUR RADAR . 
          UM, SO YOU WON'T SEE ANY POSITION REQUESTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS SO RECENT. 
          BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO HIRE UP TO TWO COORDINATOR POSITIONS OR COORDINATOR LEVEL POSITIONS AND ONE MANAGER POSITIONS. 
          THE ONLY ONE OF THOSE THAT I'M LOOKING TO FILL NOW IS ONE COORDINATOR. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THE PRIMARY, UM, STAFF WHO ARE WORKING ON THIS ENDEAVOR AND, UM, COUNSELOR KINSELLA HAD READ THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN PROGRESS. 
          I HAD SENT AN UPDATE EMAIL TO ALL OF COUNSEL IS SIGNIFICANT, AND THAT IS MYSELF, LAUREN, AND KEEGAN. 
          SO WE ALL HAVE OTHER FULL-TIME JOBS, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL NEED TO BE PREPARED TO DO COME JULY ONE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW IS BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO A O T AS THE DESIGNATED, UM, DMO. 
          SO THAT'S TO MEDIA LEADS, THAT'S TO TRAVEL TRADE, THAT'S TO GROUP MEETING SALES. 
          THAT IS TO, THEY, THEY JUST YESTERDAY, UH, UM, HA POSTED ALL THEIR INFORMATION FOR THEIR RURAL CO-OP PROGRAM TO THEIR WEBSITE. 
          COME NEXT MONTH, THEY'LL START TO DO THE WEBINARS AND THE TRAINING AND WE'LL BE IN THE, IN THE POSITION TO HAVE TO PICK AND IMPLEMENT. 
          AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. 
          THAT KIND OF WORK IS MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO BE THE, THE THREE OF US, BUT BUILDING OUT THE DATABASES, UM, GETTING SOME OF THESE SOFTWARES SET UP THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE USING, KEEPING THE INFORMATION ABOUT MEDIA INFORMATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS ANOTHER SERVICE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SUBSCRIBING TO, AND SORT OF JUST ORGANIZING AND PROVIDING ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT TO US AS WE BUILD OUT AND MAKE THOSE BIGGER POLICY KINDS OF DECISIONS. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING TO FILL A COORDINATOR POSITION SOON. 
          THE OTHER THING I ANTICIPATE THAT COORDINATOR DOING IS SOME OF THE COORDINATION THAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WAS DOING. 
          WHEN THAT PROGRAM, WHEN THE ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION PRO WAS DEVELOPED SEVEN PLUS YEARS AGO 
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NOW, THE VISION WAS THAT IT WOULD, ONE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE A DIRECTOR LEVEL, UM, AND THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE PROGRESS IN DIVERSIFYING OUR ECONOMY. 
          WHEN MOLLY LEFT EARLIER THIS YEAR, SHE HAD SPENT SIX YEARS TRYING TO DO THAT. 
          AND I, THIS, I DON'T THINK HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH MOLLY'S LACK OF ABILITY. 
          UM, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE AND WHAT OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE. 
          SO OVER TIME, MOLLY'S FOCUS HAD REALLY BEEN MORE ON, UM, BUSINESS SUPPORT, UH, YOU KNOW, COORDINATION WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE VV RIO AND E KONA AND NASET. 
          UM, PUTTING ON SOME WORKSHOPS AND DOING MOONSHOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY MORE SQUARELY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FUNCTIONS, QUITE FRANKLY. 
          BUT WE DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF PROGRESS ON DIVERSIFICATION. 
          IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL A DESIRE OF COUNSEL TO AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE, UM, WE CAN TRY TO RECRUIT A NEW DIRECTOR. 
          WILL SOMEONE ELSE HAVE OTHER TOOLS IN THEIR TOOLBOX THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, TO THINK OF YET? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE WOULD BE. 
          SO I THINK WE SHOULD TRANSITION OURSELVES AWAY FROM SQUARELY BUSINESS SUPPORT AND HOPEFULLY THE CHAMBER IS GOING TO STEP INTO THAT ROLE. 
          BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME THINGS REGIONALLY WE CAN DO. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S VALUE IN, IN THAT COORDINATION, BUT IT CAN BE DONE AT THIS KIND OF LEVEL. 
          SO THIS POSITION REALLY WOULD BE TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES AND PICK UP JUST SOME OF THAT OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK. 
          KAREN, IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT THE A O T WOULD HAVE IN PHOENIX WOULD, DO THEY HAVE JOB PLACEMENT? DO THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN A JOB LIKE THAT HERE? DO THEY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT ALL, OR THAT'S NOT AN OPTION? I, I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          I HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH 'EM TO SEE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE START, WE'VE POSTED TO NETWORKS OF, OF TOURISM PROFESSIONALS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE AS MUCH IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE, CUZ WE ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO MIGHT HAVE MORE OF A TOURISM FOCUS. 
          SO, UM, I DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          AND HAS ANYBODY APPLIED SO FAR? WE HAVE HAD A HANDFUL OF APPLICATIONS, NONE OF WHICH ARE QUALIFIED. 
          WERE WORTH THE FOLLOW UP MENTIONING HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHERE DID WE POST? JUST ON OUR WEBSITE, LAUREN MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE SPECIFIC NO, WE, NOT JUST ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          WE, WE ALWAYS DO LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS AND, AND PLACES LIKE THAT, BUT WE DID LOOK AT SOME PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS FOR TOURISM PROFESSIONALS AND, AND DID SOME POSTING AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY ALL WERE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING MAYBE A, A HEAD HUG TO COMING? UH, YOU KNOW, WE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M JUST ASKING, THROWING IT OUT TO YOU. 
          I, I THINK WE'LL SEE WHAT WE GET. 
          WE JUST POSTED IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN OUT THERE. 
          IT'S PRETTY NEW. 
          UM, WE HISTORICALLY HAVE NOT USED RECRUITERS. 
          THEY'RE EXPENSIVE FOR, FOR SOMETHING AT THIS LEVEL. 
          SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, YOU HAD A QUESTION? THANKS MAYOR. 
          KAREN, JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION MOONSHOT PROGRAM THAT'S IN HERE, WHAT DID THAT MEAN? WHAT, WHAT WAS, CUZ I THINK WE WERE DOING KIND OF TWO THINGS, RIGHT? THERE'S THE ANNUAL ENTREPRENEUR MOONSHOT THING. 
          IS THAT STILL IN THE BUDGET SOMEWHERE? THAT IS NOT IN OUR BUDGET. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE COORDINATED WITH V RIO. 
          WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR BUDGET TO FUND MOONSHOT. 
          WE DO HAVE IT IN OUR BUDGET TO, WE HAD A, UM, A CONTRACT WITH NA SET TO DO SOME WORKSHOPS AND THEY OWE US A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS. 
          SO WE WILL PLAN THOSE INTO FY 24. 
          SO WE'LL DO THE COORDINATION TO PUT THOSE ON. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A SEDONA MOONSHOT. 
          WHAT WE DO HAVE IS THE, UM, FOUR IS A LOCALE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          SO WE DID KEEP, UH, I THINK IT'S, I THINK WE HAVE $10,000 IN THERE. 
          FORZA LOCALE. 
          AND THAT IS A MATCH PROGRAM. 
          SO ARIZONA FIRST OR THE, OUR, OUR, THE PARTNER AGENCY BRINGS GRANT FUNDING TO THE TABLE AND COTTONWOOD PARTICIPATES TOO. 
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LOCAL FIRST. 
          LOCAL FIRST. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO DO THOSE. 
          THE COORDINATION ON OUR SIDE IS NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT. 
          IT'S MOSTLY LOCAL FIRST. 
          YEAH, MOST OF THEM, YEAH. 
          DOING THE WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THIS 20,000 THAT'S BEING ELIMINATED ON THE MOONSHOT PROGRAM IS NOT THE NASET STUFF? IT IS THE ANNUAL MOONSHOT PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND  IS IN THERE. 
          AND IF WE WERE DOING SOME MORE BROADBAND ACTIVITY, WHICH WE ARE, IS THAT IN THIS THING OR IS THAT IN ANOTHER PART OF, SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T WHERE ARE THE CONSULTANT BROADBAND COSTS? SO WE'RE, WE ARE PAYING FOR THE, THE BROADBAND CONSULTANT OUT OF ARPA MONIES, BUT THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE PUT IT UNDER HAS BEEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S UNDER THAT IN HERE, BUT THERE IS NO, UM, NOTHING IN THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 24. 
          UM, WE, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING THAT SOME OF THAT MIGHT CARRY OVER ON THE BROADBAND CONSULTANT. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THOSE COSTS ARE GONNA CARRY OVER. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE AN ADJUSTMENT WE HAVE FOR TENTATIVE. 
          UM, AND, UM, THE, WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY IN THE BUDGET FOR THE REMAINING BALANCE OF THE ARPA MONEY THAT IF, IF FROM THAT STUDY THEN YOU SAY YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING AND, AND YOU NEED MONEY FOR IT. 
          LIKE, WE WOULD JUST TAKE IT FROM THAT CONTINGENCY FOR ARPA AND THE TIME AND ENERGY FOR CONTINUING TO COORDINATE WITH THE STATE AND THE CONSULTANT. 
          IS THAT IN THIS DEPARTMENT? REGARDING BROADBAND? YEAH, REGARDING BROADBAND. 
          SO, SO WE NOW HAVE AN INTERNAL TEAM OF MYSELF, KURT, HEIDI, OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER, CHUCK, OUR IT MANAGER, AND, UH, OUR CONSULTANT AND THEN OUR CITIZEN. 
          WE HAVE A CITIZEN VOLUNTEER WHO'S WORKING WITH US. 
          SO THAT'S THE TEAM OF STAFF WHO ARE WORKING ON THIS, AND THAT'S THE TEAM THAT WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS. 
          SO COORDINATION WITH STATE BROADBAND, THAT'S BEEN ME. 
          UM, UH, KURT'S DONE A LOT OF THE WORK WITH SORT OF LOOKING AT THE RFIS AND RESPONSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND WILL CONTINUE TO FUNCTION THAT WAY. 
          SO THE TIME ALLOCATED TO DO THOSE THINGS IS NOT PART OF THIS DEPARTMENT'S ALLOCATIONS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO THAT WORK. 
          WE'RE COORDINATING WITH THE STATE. 
          WE KNOW WE'RE NOT BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. 
          BROADBAND I THINK IS A, FOR ME IT'S A, A VERY HIGH PRIORITY AND I'D LIKE JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL THINKING ABOUT IT AND MOVING IT FORWARD, WHICH I THINK THAT WE ARE. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          KEN, JESSICA, YOU WERE NEXT. 
          CAN I JUST DO A TAG ON REAL SURE. 
          A TAG ON? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, WHEN BEGGING FOR THIS WHEN WE'RE ALLOWED TO TAG? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          WHEN DOES THE APA FUNDING EXPIRE? UM, SO DECEMBER 20, 24. 
          FOUR. 
          THE 24. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S, UM, THE WAY THAT THE WORDING IS ON IT. 
          SO SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING, OH, YOU ONLY HAVE TO LIKE, HAVE A, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU PLAN TO SPEND IT ON. 
          BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE DEFINITION IS IN THE RULES OF WHAT THEY MEAN BY THAT, IT'S COMMITTED IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE YOU REALLY HAVE INCURRED THIS COST. 
          YOU, YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE GOODS, YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE SERVICES, AND YOU HAVE AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE YOU MAKE THE FINAL ACTUALLY CUT YOUR FINAL CHECK. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY WE'RE, WE'RE GOING WITH THE WAY IT'S, IT'S, THE DEFINITION SAYS THAT WE NEED TO BASICALLY HAVE IT SPENT BY THE END OF, OF 2024. 
          THANKS. 
          NOW, JESSICA, YEAH, I, UM, I SUPPORT YOUR, YOUR, UM, SUGGESTIONS HERE, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I THINK THAT'S A SMART WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          I THINK IF ANYTHING COULD HAVE BEEN DONE ON DIVERSIFICATION, MOLLY WOULD'VE DONE IT. 
          UM, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT TIME. 
          MAYBE IN A YEAR OR TWO, SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE. 
          AGAIN, MY OWN FEELING IS WITHOUT BROADBAND, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. 
          AND SO UNTIL WE HAVE BROADBAND HOUSING AND HOUSING, BUT EVEN MORE FUNDAMENTALLY BROADBAND, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO HAVE AN ECONOMIC, HAVE THAT POSITION. 
          AND I THINK THE WAY YOU'VE OUTLINED IT UNTIL WE HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE AND SEE WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          SO I SUPPORT THAT. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, BROADBAND JUST SEEMS TO BE IN A HOLDING PATTERN THAT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING. 
          I COULD BE WRONG. 
          I HOPE I'M WRONG. 
          GO ON KAREN. 
          NO, UH, BROADBAND IS NOT IN A HOLDING PATTERN AT ALL. 
          GREAT. 
          [07:20:01]
GOOD. 
          WE DID ISSUE AN RFI TO INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS FOR THEM TO, TO RESPOND, UH, KIND OF INITIAL, INITIAL PROPOSALS, UH, TO THE CITY. 
          WHEN DID WE DO THAT? WE DID THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. 
          A FEW MONTHS AGO. 
          WE RECEIVED THE, UM, PROPOSALS A FEW WEEKS AGO. 
          OUR INTERNAL TEAM MET GREAT A WEEK AGO, SEVEN PROPOSALS, I THINK. 
          WOW. 
          FOUR AT LEAST SERIOUS OPERATORS, STILL UNKNOWN HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'D, THEY'D BRING IN AND HOW MUCH THEY'D REQUIRE FOR THE CITY. 
          TERRIFIC. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE A PLACEHOLDER, DO WE HAVE A PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT? SO WE DON'T HAVE A PLACEHOLDER IN FY 24 UHHUH BECAUSE, SO RIGHT NOW, THE STATE BROADBAND OFFICE, SO ALL OF THESE PROPOSALS ARE RELIANT ON BEAD FUNDING OR OKAY. 
          LIKELY LOOKING FOR BEAD FUNDING TO MAKE IT PENCIL. 
          IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE BROADBAND DIRECTOR, HE UNDERSTANDS SEDONA. 
          HE WORKED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UM, DOING SOME MARKET RESEARCH HERE AROUND, UM, THE VIABILITY OF INTERNET. 
          HE SAID THAT BASICALLY THE OTHER, A LOT OF THE OTHER RURAL AREAS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE DENSITY THAT WE HAVE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE RURAL, WE HA WE DO HAVE MORE, A LOT MORE DENSITY THAT HE FEELS LIKE EVEN THOUGH WE ARE CLASSIFIED AS UNDERSERVED AND NOT UNSERVED, THAT THERE IS BEAD MONEY THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR COMMUNITY COULD USE, THAT ONE OF THE PROVIDERS COULD, COULD PARTNER WITH. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IN A PLANNING PHASE. 
          THEY HAVEN'T, THE STATE IS, THE STATE IS, SO THEY'VE GOT AN INITIAL ALLOCATION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR A PLANNING EXERCISE MM-HMM. 
           TO FIGURE OUT HOW ARE THEY GONNA TAKE THIS. 
          I, I'M NOT SURE, I CAN'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE DOLLARS ARE. 
          I DON'T KNOW, KURT, IF YOU REMEMBER FOR ARIZONA, BUT THAT IT COULD BE AS SOON AS THE END OF NEXT CALENDAR YEAR THAT THEY'RE DISTRIBUTING FUNDS BY THE END OF 2024. 
          24, WHICH WOULD BE OUR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          SO BY THE TIME WE'RE PREPARING NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WE'RE GONNA KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT IS THERE A FINANCIAL ASK OR CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY? IS IT, HOW MUCH IS IT? WHAT'S THE TIMING? YOU DON'T NEED A PLACEHOLDER THIS YEAR, BUT, BUT THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD. 
          I AM SO HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. 
          AND I SEE YOU DON'T NEED A PLACEHOLDER THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S ALL GOING TO BE HAPPENING AFTER THAT. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOUR UPDATE ON IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE WITHOUT BROADBAND, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST PUT IT, PUT EVERYTHING ELSE ASIDE AND MOVE ON. 
          LET'S MOVE TO STUFF WE CAN DO. 
          BUT I AM SUPPORTING KAREN'S PROPOSAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, LAST QUESTION. 
          THE PLACER LABS, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THAT WAS? THE, I'M SORRY, THE WHAT? PLACER LABS. 
          PLACER LABS. 
          $11,000 A OH, OH. 
          UH, PLACER. 
          A SO IT WAS A SOFTWARE THAT, UH, MONITORED WHERE, UH, SATURATION WAS, SO LIKE A HEAT MAP KIND OF, UM, SOFTWARE. 
          SO MOLLY INITIALLY PROCURED THAT SOFTWARE THINKING IT COULD BE USEFUL TO SEE, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WANNA DO AROUND TOURISM, BUT IT, IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE REALLY USEFUL, YOU HAVE TO CREATE SPECIFIC PLACES THAT YOU WANT TO TRACK, AND IT WAS GENERALIZED INFORMATION UNLESS YOU PAID THE EXTRA MONEY. 
          AND SO, SO WE, WE DID DEMOS WITH ROB, YOU KNOW, WITH TRANSIT, WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE TRIED IT, NOBODY WAS USING IT, AND WE ARE PURSUING THIS OTHER EFFORT THAT WILL BE MORE ROBUST. 
          AND SO WE DECIDED NOT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH PLACER. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR. 
          YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I, IT WOULD, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, KATHY READ SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH TOURISM, BUT THE DATA COLLECTION, THE DATA PIECE, I THINK WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR COUNCIL TO HEAR MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT. 
          LET ME JUST PULL UP SOME NOTES. 
          I AM NOT, BUT, SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A PLATFORM THAT SEEMS TO HAVE KIND OF BE THE STATE OF THE ART IN, IN TOURISM IN PARTICULAR. 
          IT'S THROUGH OXFORD ECONOMICS. 
          IT'S A PLATFORM CALLED SYMPHONY. 
          AND, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT 
          [07:25:01]
WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. 
          IN FACT, THAT'S, THAT'S DONE AND READY TO GO. 
          UM, I'M GONNA JUST GO DOWN THE QUICK LIST OF THE THINGS THAT, SO THE, THE PLATFORM TAKES LOCATION BASED INFORMATION, CREDIT CARD DATA, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES, AMALGAMATE THEM IN ATTEMPTING TO ANSWER SORT OF THE QUESTIONS AROUND OUR DESTINATION. 
          UH, LIKE WHILE THEY'LL TAKE LODGING PERFORMANCE DATA AND INCLUDE THAT. 
          BUT WEB ANALYTICS, ECONOMIC INDICATORS AND OUTLOOK, AIR TRAVEL, WORKFORCE ANALYSIS, SOCIAL MEDIA PERFORMANCE, VISITOR BEHAVIOR, TRAVEL SENTIMENT, PREDICTIVE ANALYTICS, RECOVERY INDICATORS, VISITOR INTELLIGENCE, UH, CRM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE PURSUING THAT DIFFERENTLY. 
          SO ACCORDING TO THEIR SALESPEOPLE, AND IF YOU'VE EVER IMPLEMENTED SOFTWARE, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THE WAY THEY DESCRIBE IT TO YOU, BUT WE'VE DONE SOME DEMOS AND THEY, THEY SAY THAT THEY CAN TAKE THE, THOSE VARIOUS SOURCES OF INFORMATION AND PRODUCE US REPORTS ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON NUMBER OF VISITORS OVERNIGHT VERSUS DAY TRIP, HOW LONG THEY'RE STAYING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ANSWERS THAT WE'D LIKE TO, TO HAVE. 
          UM, IT WILL ALSO, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES IS SYNTHESIZING AND ANALYZING DATA TO MAKE IT TELL SOME KIND OF STORY. 
          AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS PLATFORM IS THAT IT DOES THAT. 
          SO IT DOES THAT. 
          ITS GOT EXECUTIVE SUMMARIES OF THE INFORMATION AS WELL AS YOUR INTERFACE WITH CHARTS AND GRAPHS AND TABLES AND THINGS AND REPORTS AS OPPOSED TO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS USING STREETLIGHT DATA, UM, WHICH IS TRAFFIC DATA MOSTLY, AND A COMPANY CALLED REPLICA. 
          AND THIS IS THROUGH A DIFFERENT STANDALONE EFFORT, BUT THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO HIRE A COMPANY TO, TO ANALYZE THE DATA AND DRAW CONCLUSIONS AND, AND GIVE US THOSE FINDINGS. 
          BUT THE ONE THING THIS OTHER EFFORT CAN DO IS GIVE US VISITATION NUMBERS FROM LOCATION-BASED SERVICES FROM 2019 AND 2021. 
          THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE ANYMORE DUE TO THOSE, WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT ONE OF OUR RECENT MEETINGS ABOUT THE CHANGE IN PRIVACY WITH CELL PHONES. 
          BUT YOU CAN HAVE THE HISTORIC DATA THAT CHANGED IN 2022. 
          SO BECAUSE WE HAVE ANECDOTALLY BEEN CALLING OUT 2019 AS OUR SORT OF BASELINE 2021 AS OUR HIGH WATERMARK, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE VOLUMES WERE, I THINK IS STILL GONNA BE USEFUL. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT, THAT I'VE SORT OF COME UP WITH TO ANSWER THAT. 
          UM, DECISION PACKAGE. 
          QUESTION ABOUT DATA. 
          HOPE YOU HAVE BRIAN FIRST. 
          BRIAN. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          WELL VICE, ARE YOU DONE? YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, KAREN, ON THE POSITION THAT'S CURRENTLY POSTED, IS IT POSTED ON? INDEED IT IS. 
          AND I HAVE THE, THE LIST NOW IF YOU WANNA HEAR IT. 
          . 
          UM, IT IS INDEED GOVERNMENT JOBS.COM CAREERS AND GOVERNMENT.COM. 
          THE LEAGUE OF ARIZONA CITIES AND TOWNS, DESTINATION MARKETING ASSOCIATION OF THE WEST AND DESTINATION MARKETING ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL ARE THE SITES THAT WE HAVE IT POSTED TO. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I SUPPORT THE VARIOUS CHANGES IN THE STRUCTURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT AND SUPPORT YOUR REQUEST FOR THE FLEXIBILITY ON HIRING UP TO THREE PEOPLE TOTAL. 
          AND, UH, DEFINITELY EXCITED ABOUT SEEING SYMPHONY, UH, GET IMPLEMENTED. 
          I KNOW IT WON'T BE SIMPLE, BUT IT WILL BE WORTH IT, I THINK, AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER MANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ALL HAD FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, PETE. 
          YEAH, MY SIMPLE QUESTION, SYMPHONY, PLEASE TELL ME THAT THEY DO HAVE MUNICIPAL EXPERIENCE, MAYBE EVEN DESTINATION CITY EXPERIENCE. 
          SO MOST OF THEIR CLIENT, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN AN EXHAUSTIVE CLIENT LIST, BUT YES, THEY DO HAVE CITIES. 
          UM, THEY ARE A TOURISM PLATFORM, SO THEY'RE WORKING A LOT WITH CDBS AND, UM, YEAH, CHAMBERS DESTINATION, UH, MANAGEMENT, SO COUNTIES AND PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          BUT I THINK THEY SAID, WELL, THEY GAVE US A LIST OF, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CITIES IN ARIZONA 
          [07:30:01]
ON THAT LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME IN THE END WE'RE GONNA ASK THEM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND I THINK MANY OF THESE OTHER CITIES THAT DON'T QUITE STRUGGLE WITH THE ISSUES THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH, BUT I'M VERY INTRIGUED ABOUT THEIR CAPABILITIES, SO THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, ANYBODY ELSE? NOPE. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? OH, JUST TO GIVE YOU MY INPUT, I TOTALLY SUPPORT IT. 
          DOES ANYBODY ELSE SUPPORTIVE? YEAH, THERE'S ONLY TWO OF US SUPPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OPPOSITION WHATSOEVER. 
          SO WHAT'S NEXT ON THIS? OKAY, SO WE CAN CONTINUE, BUT WE MIGHT ACTUALLY, IF WE PROCEED ONTO THE NEXT ONE, WE MIGHT GO PAST FIVE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          I'D RATHER PUSH ON AND I GRAB THIS, WE'RE FALL BEHIND TOMORROW AND THEN HAVE TO RUSH THROUGH THE LAST COUPLE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE WILL. 
          UM, AND I THINK I, I HAVE A FIVE 30, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          JESSICA, EVERYBODY'S AND I'M JESSICA'S DYING, RIGHT? AND AFTER LAST NIGHT IT WAS KIND SOMETHING. 
          I KNOW. 
          I, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO END BY FIVE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO END, I'D LIKE TO END IT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO AND I DON'T CUT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IN HALF ON THE PRESENTATION, SO, UH, 
          [5. ADJOURNMENT]
NO OBJECTIONS. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE THIS MEETING TOMORROW MORNING AT 8:00 AM THANK YOU.
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