* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOTCHA. [Sedona City Council on June 13, 2023.] [00:00:02] GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, I'M GONNA GET SOME MIC. PRETTY COLD. SORRY. BRAIN'S GONE. I WONDER THE WATER YOU'RE LIVING TWO DAYS AGO, AIR REGISTER, RIGHT? HAVEN'T BLOCKED OFF IN KAREN'S OFFICE. S SO IS DONE FINE. SINCE WE'RE DOING DANCING, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE BACK THERE. YEAH. CAN WE ASK EVERYBODY TO TAKE THEIR SEATS? AND THE, THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE RED, UH, BASEBALL CAP, CAN YOU TAKE YOUR HAT OFF, PLEASE? PUT YOUR TIE ON. I'LL SAY, OH MY GOD. DO YOU THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO THAT? UM, GOTTA HAVE FUN. AH, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON, UH, JUNE 13TH. IS THERE SOMETHING ON? ALRIGHT, SORRY, MARCY. MARCY, YOU'RE READY? PLAYING IT ALREADY. OKAY. WE GOOD? OKAY. UH, PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, AND, YEAH. OKAY. AND WE'LL HAVE A, NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR BLO. HERE, VICE MAYOR PUG. HERE. COUNCILOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FOLTZ? HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR KINSELLA? HERE. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. EXCELLENT. SO, UH, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE VERY HONORED TO HAVE A GUEST THAT'S GOING TO, UH, HAVE THE MOMENT OF ART NANCY LIT. TANZI. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCILORS. FOR JUNE'S MOMENT OF ART, WE ARE CELEBRATING DANCE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S MARLEY ON THE FLOOR, AND ALSO OUR YOUNGER GENERATION THAT'S A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH WE DON'T SEE SO MUCH OF. SO WE ARE FEATURING JESSICA PHILLIPS. AT THE TENDER AGE OF 18, JESSICA PHILLIPS EMBARKED ON HER FIRST CAREER AS A PROFESSIONAL BALLET DANCER WITH THE BALLET ARIZONA. DESPITE ALL ODDS, JESSICA GRACED THE STAGE AS A CHORD TO BALLET SOLOIST AND ULTIMATELY PRINCIPAL DANCER PERFORMING IN OVER 500 SHOWS FOR 10 ACCOMPLISHED AND CHALLENGING YEARS. WE'RE ALSO HAVING, UM, A SLIDE SHOW UP THERE IF ANYONE WANTS INFORMATION ON JESSICA. HER THIRST FOR KNOWLEDGE DIDN'T STOP WITH DANCE. JESSICA'S FASCINATION WITH HEALTH AND NUTRITION LED HER TO OBTAIN CERTIFICATIONS AS A HOLISTIC HEALTH COACH AND CERTIFIED KUNDALINI YOGA INSTRUCTOR. AFTER HANGING UP HER TUTU, SHE DECIDED TO IMPART HER PASSION FOR DANCE AS AN INSTRUCTOR, AND SHE ESTABLISHED SUN AND MOON STUDIO OF SEDONA AND SEDONA DANCE ACADEMY IN 2020. SEDONA DANCE ACADEMY IS CURRENTLY IN ITS THIRD YEAR WITH A TOTAL OF 90 STUDENTS, AND THERE HAVE BEEN SIX SHOWCASE SHOWCASES. THE NEXT PERFORMANCE WILL BE THE NUTCRACKER IN DECEMBER, AND EVERYONE IS INVITED FOR THAT. JESSICA'S MISSION IS TO PROMOTE HEALTHY MOVEMENT BY OFFERING DANCE INSTRUCTION TO PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND SKILL LEVELS. IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT DANCE. JESSICA WANTS TO BUILD A TIGHT-KNIT COMMUNITY CENTERED AROUND MOVEMENT AND CONNECTION. AS A HEART-CENTERED BUSINESSWOMAN AND DANCE TEACHER, SHE FOUND HER [00:05:01] SECOND CAREER TO BE BEYOND FULFILLING. JESSICA IS INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL TO BE IN HER CURRENT POSITION, SHARING HER LOVE OF DANCE AND SPREADING JOIN. SO, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE FOR THIS MEETING, UM, IF ANYONE AND COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM, THE DANCERS ARE GONNA PERFORM TO THE LARGER PART OF THE AUDIENCE. UM, AND WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST PERFORMANCE. WE'LL WAIT FOR EVERYONE TO GET THANKS. THIS IS A FIRST THANK YOU. THE FIRST PERFORMANCE WILL BE BY PHOEBE JONES, PERFORMING A BALLET SOLO FROM PAQUITA, CHOREOGRAPHED BY JESSICA WILLIAMS. THE NEXT PERFORMANCE WILL BE TAP DANCERS. AND THE NAMES ARE ATALA WICO, ADELE ROMANOFF RUPER, AND INGRID ISRAEL. THEY'LL BE PERFORMING TO HIRE LOVE. THIS WAS CHOREOGRAPHED BY KIRSTEN LAZER, WHO IS SEDONA DANCE ACADEMY'S JAZZ AND TAP TEACHER. SO [00:11:30] THANK YOU. VERY NICE. AND LASTLY, JESSICA PHILLIPS. SHE WILL BE PERFORMING THE GENEROSITY FAIRY IN SLEEPING BEAUTY CHOREOGRAPHED BY MARI PETIT. THANK YOU. NO, WE'RE JUST WRAPPING UP. MARLENE , TAKE YOUR TIME. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED FOR GUEST STUDIO AND, UM, DELETE ANYTHING CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS FABULOUS, NANCY. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS, THESE ENTERTAINERS, WE LIVE IN A, IN A PLACE THAT HAS SO MANY ACCOMPLISHED ARTISTS, BUT IT'S SO WONDERFUL TO SEE THE NEXT GENERATION OF ACCOMPLISHED ARTISTS COMING RIGHT UP IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. DON'T HURT YOURSELF, NANCY. OKAY. THAT WAS REALLY SPECIAL. ALL RIGHT. ITEM THREE CONSENT ITEMS. [00:15:01] CAN I HAVE A, UH, MOTION OR BEFORE WE GO TO THE MOTION, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL, STAFF, OR THE PUBLIC TO PULL ANY OF THE ITEMS A THROUGH G. UH, IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN PULLING ANYTHING TODAY? NO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE. MAYOR. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM THREE, CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH G. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE UNANIMOUS, JOE. OKAY. APPOINTMENTS. ITEM FOUR. APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE NONE. ITEM FIVE. UH, SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS. I HAVE NOTHING FOR COUNSELORS. VICE MAYOR, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME. OKAY. LET'S HELP WITH THE VICE MAYOR. OKAY. I HAVE MY PARKS AND REC UPDATE AND EVERYBODY WILL BE GLAD TO KNOW WHO ARE SWIMMERS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE FILLED THE ATHLETICS AND AQUATICS POSITION. NEW PERSON. HIS NAME IS CARMEN HIR. THEY'RE PRONOUNCED LIKE THAT CORRECTLY. STARTED THIS WEEK YESTERDAY. AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY POOL IS OPEN AND, UH, WE HAVE LESSONS FOR PRIVATE LESSONS AND SWIM LESSONS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN FULL IN EACH SESSION, SO WE'VE EXPANDED THEM. SIGN UP NOW IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. SEDONA AZ.GOV/POOL LAST WEEK, THE MOUNTAIN BY CAMP AND THE LEGO STEM SCIENCE CAMP, WE'RE BOTH OFFERED AS SUMMER CAMPS WITH EACH HAVING 13 PARTICIPANTS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 14 WEEK LONG SUMMER CAMPS PLANNED THROUGHOUT THIS SUMMER. SEVERAL ARE OFFERED PER WEEK, AND SO IF YOU VISIT SEDONA AZ.GOV/CAMPS, YOU CAN SEE THE FULL CAMP LISTING ON JULY 10TH THROUGH THE 12TH. WE'LL BE OFFERING A FLAG FOOTBALL CAMP IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SHOWTIME SPORTS. AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL, UH, GUEST, ARIZONA CARDINALS WIDE RECEIVER, ANDRE P WE'LL BE ATTENDING AS ONE OF THE CAMP COACHES. SO IF YOU'RE INTO FOOTBALL, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM A PRO. ADULT SOFTBALL BEGIN SOFTBALL BEGINS THIS THURSDAY AT SIX 15. POSSE GROUNDS PARK CONTINUES EACH THURSDAY EVENING. PICKLEBALL ORGANIZED PLAY IS ON AN OPEN GYM, IS NOW OFFERED ON TUESDAYS WITH VOLLEYBALL ONLY AND THURSDAYS AND SUNDAYS WITH BASKETBALL ONLY. THE GYM IS ALSO OPEN FROM 7:00 PM TO 9:00 PM IT COSTS $2 PER PLAYER. TENNIS. PRIVATE TENNIS LESSONS ARE BEING OFFERED ON MONDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS, AND YAPPY HOUR AS ALWAYS IS THURSDAYS FROM EIGHT TO NINE AT THE LOWER SOFTBALL FIELD. SO OUR COMMUNITY PARKS ARE BRIMMING WITH ACTIVITIES, SO JOIN IN STAY SO WE CAN KEEP OFFERING THESE GREAT, UH, RESIDENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU AND THE CHILDREN AND THE ADULTS. AND I MIGHT ADD THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, AS LONG AS I'M ON COUNCIL, UH, THAT WE ARE FULLY STAFFED WITH LIFEGUARDS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CONTINUE AND WE CAN MAKE IT THROUGH THE ENTIRE SEASON AND EVERYBODY COULD ENJOY THE POOLS. SO, UH, COUNCILOR ELLER, YOU'RE UP. THANK YOU. SO VICE MAYOR, BLUE COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ AND MYSELF SERVE ON THE CITY'S, UM, THE TOURISM WORK GROUP. AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, IN A NEW, IN A NEW POSITION. UH, STARTING JULY 1ST BEGINNING. THEN THE CITY OF SEDONA WILL BE ITS OFFICIAL, ITS OWN OFFICIAL D M M O, DESTINATION MARKETING AND MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION, RECOGNIZED BY THE OFFICE, THE ARIZONA OFFICE OF TOURISM. UH, WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN WORKING WITH THAT OFFICE AND HAVE HAD FACE-TO-FACE AND ZOOM MEETINGS, BUILDING THAT RELATIONSHIP. ALL OF THE LEADS THAT COME FROM A O T, UH, REGARDING TOURISM IN SEDONA WILL BE COMING TO THE CITY, WHICH WILL BE SHARING THOSE TRAVEL, TRADE AND MEDIA LEADS WITH BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THAT'S AT NO COST TO THOSE BUSINESSES. AND THIS IS NO LONGER JUST A MEMBERS ONLY, UM, ORGANIZATION FOR THE SHARING OF THAT INFORMATION. THIS IS THE PROGRAM IS OPEN TO ALL IN-CITY BUSINESSES. THEY'RE INVITED TO AND ENCOURAGED TO, TO AND PARTICIPATE. SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THOSE BUSINESSES ARE AND WHAT THEY OFFER, UH, SO THAT WE CAN EVER CREATE A, CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE DATABASE OF THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN ROUTE THOSE LEADS TO THE RIGHT BUSINESSES. UM, WE'RE ALSO BEGINNING TO BUILD OUT A TOURISM LANDING [00:20:01] PAGE ON THE CITY WEBSITE, WHICH WILL BE LIVE BY JULY 1ST. SO THERE'S BEEN LOTS GOING ON. WE'VE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING PREMIER INDUSTRY, LEADING DATA GATHERING TOOLS. WE ARE TRYING TO OBTAIN AN ACCURATE COUNT OF VISITORS TO UNDERSTAND WHO THEY ARE, WHERE THEY'VE COME FROM, HOW LONG THEY'RE STAYING, WHAT THEY'VE PURCHASED, UM, WHAT THEIR HOUSEHOLD INCOME MIGHT BE, THEIR AGE, THEIR EDUCATION, ALL OF THOSE. ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND DATA IS WE'RE GOING TO BE COMPILING. WE FOUND A FIRM THAT CAN DO THOSE ANALYTICS, ANALYTIC ANALYTICS. BETTER YOU THAN ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING THE TOTAL VISITATION NUMBERS FOR 2019 AND FOR 2021, AS THOSE HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO AS A BASELINE 2019 AND THE HIGH WATERMARK 2021, UH, THAT IN THE PAST YEARS. SO THAT WAY WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THAT TRANSLATES INTO CURRENT VISITORSHIP. AND WHAT WE MAY WANT TO DO AND HOW WE MAY WANNA FOCUS. THE FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON MANAGEMENT OF THE DESTINATION OR COMMUNICATING WHO WE ARE. SEDONA, WHAT MAKES SEDONA SPECIAL? UH, WHEN IS THE BEST TIME TO VISIT? UM, CRAFTING A MESSAGE THAT INVITES PEOPLE TO COME AT CERTAIN TIMES AND FOR THEIR STEWARDSHIP AND WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE THEIR BEHAVIOR AS THEY ENJOY SEDONA. SO THAT IS IT. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NEW SOFTWARE THAT WE'VE PURCHASED FOR THAT. UM, WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD APPLICATIONS ARE CURRENTLY BEING ACCEPTED. 11 MEMBER BOARD COMMUNITY MEMBERS, 11 MEMBER BOARD OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WILL BE ADVISING ON TOURISM ISSUES. UH, AND THE FIRST ORDER BUSINESS WILL BE TRYING TO DEVELOP THE BASIC STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THEN AFTER THAT, WORKING ON BRANDING AND MARKETING CAMPAIGNS. SO IF THAT INTERESTS YOU, WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO BE INVOLVED. PLEASE DO REACH OUT. UH, THERE ARE APPLICATIONS AVAILABLE. WE'VE GOT SOME IN SO FAR. WE WANT A REALLY, REALLY ROBUST REPRESENTATION OF THE COMMUNITY FROM ALL SECTORS. THAT IS GOING TO BE APPOINTMENTS MADE THROUGH A PROCESS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, ALSO WE'RE CURRENTLY RECRUITING FOR A TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES COORDINATOR THAT'LL SUPPORT THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY STAFF WHO ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON ALL OF THESE EFFORTS. SO THERE'S A LOT UNDERWAY, A LOT GOING ON IN THE WORLD OF TOURISM. AND WE'RE GONNA BE READY TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING JULY 1ST WHEN WE BECOME OUR OFFICIAL OWN D M M O. THANK YOU. KATHY. I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY. YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? NO. OKAY. DIFFERENT SUBJECT. PETE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, SIR. JESSICA? NO. OKAY. BRIAN, MELISSA. OKAY. HOLLY, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO WATCH CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, UH, STREAMING, WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES AND THEY SHOULD BE RESOLVED TODAY. SO IF THEY'RE NOT RESOLVED, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU. BUT WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE COMPANY THAT WE USE ON THE CAMERAS AND, UH, AND ALLEGEDLY IT'S FIXED. SO WE HOPE THAT THAT'S THE CASE. AND WE APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING SO LONG TO FIX, BUT WE HAD FINGER POINTING. NO, IT'S THIS. NO, IT'S THAT. AND WE FINALLY RESOLVED IT AND WE HOPE IT STAYS THAT WAY. SO THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, PUBLIC FORUM WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM. I HAVE ONE CARD IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC FORUM. NOW IS THE TIME TO FILL OUT A CARD OR, UH, IF YOU ARE, ARE SO INCLINED, THEY'RE OVER ON THE TABLE TO YOUR RIGHT. UH, MR. JOHN MARTINEZ IS FIRST UP, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, JOHN, AND THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. MADAM VICE MAYOR. COUNSEL, UH, I COME HERE BEFORE YOU. OH, THAT'S, MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINEZ. THANK YOU. AND I STILL LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. UH, MOST OF YOU, I'M SURE WHEN YOU CAME TO THE MEETING, YOU WERE TAKING 89 A AND YOU SAW A BUNCH OF FLAGS. SAW A BUNCH OF FLAGS THAT WERE PUT UP THERE THIS MORNING BY SAFECO, THE SEDONA AREA OF VETERANS COMMUNITY OUTREACH. AND THE REASON, THE ONLY REASON THAT WAS FLAGGED RAIL BE PUT UP IS BECAUSE FROM THE GENEROUS DONATION OF SEDONA ATV RIGHT HERE ON, ON 89 A WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT AND WITHOUT THEIR ABILITY TO LEND US THOSE TWO ATVS, THOSE FLAGS CANNOT GET UP THERE. THE MAYOR HAD THE OPPORTUNITY ONE TIME TO JOIN US. HE KNOWS WHAT'S INVOLVED. SO IF YOU, I WANT YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE ORDINANCE. YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT [00:25:01] ABANDONING ATVS ON 89 A CAUSE. WITHOUT THAT, THE FLAGS CANNOT GO UP THERE, NOT SAFELY. AT ONE TIME IT WAS AN EMERGENCY. I USED MY TRUCK, BUT WE BACKED UP TRUCK, UH, TRAFFIC ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HONKING THEIR HORNS AT US. SO PLEASE, THE ATVS MOST OF THE TIME CAN FIT ON THE SIDEWALK, BUT THERE ARE MANY TIMES WE NEED TO PUT IT ON 89 A AND IT'S BASICALLY A TWO MILE STRETCH FROM THE CHURCH THAT WE START AT ALL THE WAY TO AIRPORT ROAD AND BACK. SO FOR BOTH OF THOSE, THAT'S FOUR MILES. AND TO JUST GET FROM ATV RENTAL PLACE TO THE CHURCH, THAT'S A HALF A MILE FOR TWO OF 'EM. THEREFORE THAT'S FIVE MILES. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE ATVS ON 89 A OR ELSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE FLAGS UP ON 80 90 ANYMORE. SO ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RECONSIDER THAT ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOHN. AGAIN. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PO? RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. THEN COME UP TO THE PODIUM. ONCE YOU LEAVE THE PODIUM, YOU'LL NEED TO GO AND FILL OUT A CARD AND TURN THAT CARD INTO THE CITY CLERK. I, I DID GIVE A CARD. I DON'T THINK IT MADE IT UP TO YOU YET. Y HE'S PROBABLY SPEAKING ON A AGENDA ITEM. OH, HE'S SPEAKING ON AN AGENDA ITEM OF THE, OF THE, THE PUBLIC FORUM. YEAH. PUBLIC FORUM. JOANN, WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? TYLER CARSON. TYLER CARSON. RESIDENT OFID. YOU'RE SPEAKING ON ITEM 18 FOR THE CHAMBER. UH, I DON'T EVEN, I DIDN'T SEE ON THE BACK SIDE. OH, IS IT? OKAY. WELL, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT WAS WHAT PROMPTED ME TO COME, BUT I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS THAT I WANTED TO, I I DIDN'T MIND TO SHARE WITH. THAT'S MORE OF A CONVERSATION. OKAY. YOU'LL HAVE TO FILL OUT A SECOND CARD WHEN YOU'RE DONE. NOT NOW. OKAY. OKAY. BUT, UH, BUT, AND KEEP WHATEVER ITEM THAT YOU, THIS IS FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO THIS IS A PERFECT TIME TO SHARE. OKAY. UH, YOUR CONCERNS. I'LL START OFF WITH YOUR NAME, THE CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU DON'T NEED THE ADDRESS. OKAY. AND YOU READY TO GO, MARCY? OKAY. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS TYLER CARSON. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. THE PAST, UH, THREE YEARS. I CAME HERE, UM, BY GOOD FORTUNE AND, AND SYNCHRONICITY, UH, A DOCUMENTARY THAT WAS MADE BY A LOS ANGELES FILM COMPANY THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH GEORGE CLOONEY AND OTHERS. UM, CREATED A FILM ABOUT MY MUSIC AND MY VOICE STORY. AND IT PREMIERED AT THE ILLUMINATE FILM FESTIVAL IN 2018. IT WON AT THAT FESTIVAL. AND SINCE THEN, IT'S OPENED QUITE A FEW DOORS HERE IN SEDONA. I'VE CHOSEN TO STAY NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, I'VE RUN INTO MOSTLY PROBLEMS WHEN IT COMES TO OFFERING MUSIC, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY. AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S MOSTLY DUE TO, UM, BUREAUCRATIC, UH, DIFFICULTIES. NOW, THIS WAS UNDER PARKS AND REC. THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR, I BELIEVE THERE'S A NEW MANAGER IN PLACE. UM, BUT WHEN THAT, IN, IN, IN 2021 IN PARTICULAR, I RENTED THE FACILITY AT THE PAVILION. I DO A CONCERT SERIES THERE. I DID IT EVERY WEEK AND IT'S FREE TO THE PUBLIC. AND I ACTUALLY HAD QUITE A, THERE'S A FOLLOWING. IT'S CALLED FIDDLER ON THE ROCK. AND ALSO TO REFERENCE MY BACKGROUND, I WAS A SYMPHONY SOLOIST WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS OLD. UM, I'VE BEEN ON THE JERRY LEWIS TELETHON WHEN I WAS 16. I'M AN INTERNATIONAL ARTIST THAT I NOW CONSIDER MYSELF A TOURING ARTIST, WHERE THE TOURIST COME TO ME AND IT WORKS QUITE WELL. IN FACT, I HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE AIRPORT CUZ THAT WAS THE ONLY PLACE LEFT FOR ME TO PERFORM IN SEDONA. AND THE PAVILION LITERALLY SAID, WE CAN'T RENT TO YOU BECAUSE YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE TOO HIGH. WHAT WERE MY EXPECTATIONS THAT THE SOUND SYSTEM WOULD WORK WHEN THE SOUND SYSTEM DIDN'T WORK? WHEN I WAS THERE, I WAS TOLD IT WAS A LUXURY ITEM AND I WOULD NOT BE REFUNDED MY RENTAL FEE. IT WAS STARTING TO COST ME NEARLY $500 TO PUT ON A FREE CONCERT TO THE PUBLIC. I WAS PROMOTING IT MYSELF. THIS WAS ALL AN ARTIST INITIATIVE. THIS IS THE REALITY OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. AND IF WE APPRECIATE WHAT WE SEE HERE, THIS WAS ME WHEN I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD PLAYING TWINKLE, TWINKLE TO MY NEIGHBORS. OKAY? AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THESE GUYS, CUZ RECENTLY I COLLABORATED WITH SOMEONE WHO SAW ME LIVE AND HE HAPPENS TO BE, UM, UH, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD? WELL, HE WORKED WITH MICHEL NIKKO, HE'S A BALLET DANCER. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I'M WORKING WITH. AND YET THERE'S NOWHERE TO PERFORM, INCLUDING THE BARBARA ANDERSON, UH, VENUE. SO I, I PLEASE ASK YOU TO PUT SOME PRESSURE ON, UM, THEM TO REORGANIZE. I ALSO WANT TO JUST SIMPLY VOICE THAT, UM, IN PARTICULAR, THEIR CONCERN THERE IS DECIBEL LEVELS. MM-HMM. , AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YET. I'VE NEVER SEEN A PROPER MEASURED DEVICE OF ANY OF THE PEOPLE. I'M OBLIGATED TO PAY A CITY EMPLOYEE TO RUN SOUND, WHICH DIDN'T WORK FOR [00:30:01] ME. AND THE PRIMARY REASON WAS FOR THEM TO WATCH THAT. IT DOESN'T GO ABOVE 60 DB AND I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM MONITOR THAT. SO WHY AM I PAYING FOR THIS? AND IF WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT AND PROTECT THE COMMUNITY, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED SOMEONE DOING THEIR JOB. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEL PLEASE, PLEASE REMEMBER TO FILL OUT A CARD, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU SHORTLY. OKAY. ANY OTHER, UH, LAST MINUTE PEOPLE? OKAY. UH, CAN WE REFER THAT ITEM TO THE MANAGER? I THINK SHE ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT IT. SO, UH, OKAY. UH, SO WE'LL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM, UH, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARD ITEM SEVEN. UH, WE HAVE NONE, KAREN. RIGHT? OKAY. AND WE'LL START, UH, REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT. WE HAVE AB 29 56 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION BY THE ARIZONA PUBLIC, PUBLIC SERVICED, UH, APS REGARDING THE FIRE MITIGATION EFFORTS AND THE SUMMER READINESS PROGRAM. MACKENZIE, WHY DON'T YOU SIT DOWN OVER HERE IF YOU'D LIKE. DO YOU HAVE, UH, SOMEBODY WITH YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND JOIN YOU? DARLA IS HERE, BUT SHE COME ON DARLA, SHE'S, UH, WATCHING AND SHE'LL CORRECT ME IF NEEDED. UM, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MADAM VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY. UM, MY NAME IS MACKENZIE ROGERS AND I AM A DIRECTOR AT YOUR APS. UM, YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE SEEN ME SPEAK LAST YEAR AND WE'VE CHANGED OUR PRESENTATION. WE DON'T DO DEATH BY POWERPOINT ANY LONGER, BUT WE DO, UM, PROVIDE SOME GOOD REMINDERS AND INFORMATION THAT I WILL SUMMARIZE FOR YOU ABOUT OUR FIRE MITIGATION PROGRAM. UH, FIRST I'LL START WITH SAFETY AND RELIABILITY ARE NUMBER ONE TO APS. THE ONLY THING MORE IMPORTANT TO US AS A COMPANY THAN OUR RELIABILITY IS THE SAFETY FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR COMMUNITIES. THIS IS OUR APS PROMISE AND THIS IS WHAT, AND OUR PROMISE IS THAT WE DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE AND THE PROSPERITY OF THE STATE. AND IT'S OUR HONOR AND COMMITMENT TO DO THAT FOR YOU AND YOUR RESIDENTS. UH, IN 2022, WE EXPERIENCED OVER, UH, 1200 FIRES THAT BURNED 145,000 ACRES AS A STATE. UM, AND BECAUSE OF OUR VAST SERVICE TERRITORY AT APS, ABOUT ONE IN THREE OF THESE FIRES START CLOSE ENOUGH TO IMPACT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH CAN CAUSE RELIABILITY IMPACTS TO OUR SYSTEM. AND SO WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO PROTECT OUR SYSTEM AND KEEP THE LIGHTS ON FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. WE ALSO EXPERIENCED ONE OF OUR EARLIEST SEASONS YET WITH THE CROOKS AND TUNNEL TWO FIRE. UM, AND GOOD NEWS IS WE RECEIVED A LOT OF ADDITIONAL MOISTURE OVER THIS WINTER AND SPRING, AND YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THAT THAT HAS DELAYED. UH, AND I SAY DELAYED INTENTIONALLY THE FIRE SEASON, BUT WE DO BELIEVE IT WILL COME, UM, AND WE ARE PREPARING FOR IT. SO APS HAS A REALLY COMPREHENSIVE FIRE MITIGATION PLAN THAT IS A THREE LEGGED APPROACH, AND IT ADDRESSES HOW WE PREVENT THE OVERGROWTH OF FUELS AND REDUCE POSSIBLE IGNITIONS AROUND OUR EQUIPMENT. HOW WE MITIGATE THE IMPACT, UH, BY ADJUSTING OUR OPERATIONS DURING ELEVATED FIRE CONDITIONS AND HOW WE RESPOND TO SAFELY RESTORE POWER DURING HIGH FIRE RISK SEASONS. ON THE PREVENTION SIDE OF IT, WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST VEGETATION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, AND WE COMPLETE DETAILED LINE PATROLS USING DRONES, UTVS HELICOPTERS, AND BY FOOT TO PUT EYES ON THE CONDITION OF THE EQUIPMENT. UH, IN THE NORTHWEST DIVISION, WHICH IS THE DIVISION THAT WE ARE IN THERE, IT'S OVER 1900 OVERHEAD FEEDER MILES OR POWER LINE MILES THAT WE DO PATROL EVERY SINGLE YEAR. UM, JUST LIKE GOOD FIREWISE COMMUNITIES. WE ALSO CREATE DEFENSIBLE SPACE AROUND OUR POLES. WE CALL THAT OUR DSAP PROGRAM OR DEFENSIBLE SPACE AROUND POLES. MOST RECENTLY IN THE PIPELINE FIRE, WE HAD A SUBSTATION THAT WAS COMPLETELY PROTECTED AFTER A FIRE CAME THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE DEFENSIBLE SPACE AROUND THAT EQUIPMENT. THIS TRANSLATES TO FASTER RESTORATION OF SERVICE TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND SAFETY OF THE EQUIPMENT FOR FIRST RESPONDERS BY KEEPING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. UM, WE ALSO HAVE A PROGRAM, UH, ON OUR WEBSITE CALLED RIGHT TREE, RIGHT PLACE THAT OFFERS SPECIFIC TYPES OF VEGETATION BECAUSE WE KNOW NOT EVERYBODY LIKES TO SEE THE POWER LINES LIKE WE DO. AND SO IT OFFERS SPECIFIC TYPES OF VEGETATION THAT WILL SHIELD THE VIEW OF THE POWER LINES WITHOUT GROWING INTO THE POWER LINES, WHICH CAN BE A SAFETY HAZARD IN THE MITIGATION FRONT. UM, AS I MENTIONED, DURING FIRE SEASON, WE CHANGE OUR OPERATIONS PROTOCOL SO THAT IF A LINE HAS A FAULT BEFORE [00:35:01] WE TURN THE POWER BACK ON, WE ENSURE THAT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS PUT EYES ON THAT LINE. THIS COULD RESULT IN LONGER THAN NORMAL OUTAGES BECAUSE THESE PATROLS ARE OFTEN DONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR ACROSS VERY VAST TERRAIN AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. UM, WHILE RELIABILITY IS SOMETHING WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON AT APS AND WE RECOGNIZE THIS COULD PROLONG OUTAGES IN THE AREA, WE PRIORITIZE THE SAFETY OF OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR COMMUNITIES ABOVE THE RELIABILITY OF OUR SERVICE. HOWEVER, WE'RE ALSO LEVERAGING TECHNOLOGY MORE THAN EVER BEFORE. WE HAVE 2,500 FAULT INDICATORS ACROSS THE SYSTEM. THESE ARE DUMB DEVICES. THESE ARE THE MAYOR'S PERSONAL FAVORITES, . UM, THESE ARE DUMB DEVICES THAT BLINK A LIGHT. THERE'S NO, UM, SMART, UH, DEVICES OR NO, UM, CAMERAS, RADIO WAVES OR ANYTHING. YES, OR CAMERAS. UM, THEY SIMPLY, WHEN THEY NO LONGER SEE CURRENT, THE LIGHT TURNS ON. AND THAT DIRECTS OUR TROUBLE. MEN, UM, WHICH ARE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TO WHERE THE POSSIBLE FAULT IS, WE ENCOURAGE CUSTOMERS IN THE EVENT OF AN OUTAGE. UH, IF THEY SEE A LIGHT ON THE LINE, PLEASE CALL US. UM, THAT WILL HELP US TO GET THERE QUICKER AND RESTORE THE PASS, UH, THE POWER FASTER. AS I MENTIONED, THESE ARE NON COMMUNICATING DEVICES, THEY ONLY MEASURE CURRENT. SO CALLING IN REALLY HELPS US TO IDENTIFY WHERE THAT IS. UM, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT WHILE WE RECOGNIZE ANY DISRUPTION OF POWER IS A MAJOR INCONVENIENCE, WE ENCOURAGE OUR CUSTOMERS TO HAVE A POWER OUTAGE KIT READY, UM, WITH BOTTLED WATER, FLASHLIGHTS, EXTRA BATTERIES, AS WELL AS, UM, YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE APS OUTAGE MAP ON AN APP ON YOUR PHONE, AND THAT'LL PROVIDE YOU UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION. ALSO, THIS YEAR WE AUTO-ENROLLED ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS INTO TEXT ALERTS. SO YOU SHOULD BE GETTING A TEXT ALERT IN THE EVENT THAT YOU HAVE AN OUTAGE AT YOUR SITE. NOW, IT'S VERY EASY TO GO ON APS.COM AND UNENROLL IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, BUT WE FIGURED WE SHOULD OVER COMMUNICATE, UH, AS MUCH AS WE COULD. ON THE FINAL NOTE, UH, ON OUR RESPONSE, UH, LEG OF OUR FIRE MITIGATION PLAN, WE HAVE A TEAM OF FIRE MITIGATION SPECIALISTS THAT COORDINATE APS WITH LOCAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, AND INCIDENT COMMAND. WE ALSO HAVE LOCAL JOURNEYMEN AND CREWS THAT ARE AVAILABLE 24 7 TO RESTORE POWER AS SOON AS IT IS SAFE TO DO SO. UH, QUICK REMINDER FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, PLEASE STAY CLEAR OF ANY DOWNED POWER LINES. UM, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE DE-ENERGIZED OR NOT, SO YOUR BEST BET IS TO CALL NINE ONE ONE AND CALL APS AND DON'T JUST ASSUME THEY'RE DE-ENERGIZED WHEN THEY'RE ON THE GROUND. UM, ALSO A QUICK NOTE, THAT'S ALWAYS A, A FUN NOTE DURING AN OUTAGE. IF YOU KEEP YOUR REFRIGERATOR CLOSED AND YOUR FREEZER CLOSED, YOUR FOOD WILL KEEP LONGER. UM, THEN IF YOU KEEP OPENING TO CHECK, I PROMISE IT'S OKAY IN THERE. UM, AND YOUR FAST BET IS TO KEEP IT CLOSED. SO WE ARE HERE AND PREPARED AND ENCOURAGE ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS TO PREPARE AS WELL. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MACKENZIE. UH, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, MACKENZIE, THANKS FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION. THANKS FOR BEING HERE AND GIVING THIS INFORMATION AND DOING THOSE THINGS THAT YOU DO TO HELP KEEP US SAFE. UH, YOUR REMARKS, UH, MADE ME WANNA ASK ONE QUESTION. YOUR, YOUR AUTO ENROLL OF THE TEXT MESSAGING IS BEAUTIFUL. DO YOU DO THAT FOR MORE THAN ONE NUMBER? SO MY WIFE AND I CAN BOTH GET ENROLLED. UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S FOR THE OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT. UH, AND SO IT'S ONLY LIMITED TO ONE NUMBER AT THIS TIME. BE GREAT FOR US TO BOTH SEE IT IN THE FUTURE. SOMETIME I'LL PASS THAT FEEDBACK ON. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, A QUESTION THAT I HAD COMING HERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT IN CALIFORNIA, YOU KNOW, MAJOR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE STOPPED ISSUING HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE WILDFIRE RISK IN CALIFORNIA. UH, I'M WONDERING IF WHEN YOU GUYS UAPS ARE DOING YOUR WORK, DO YOU WORK WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY EVALUATE THE RISK AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT STEPS PUTS THEM ON THE PATH OF PULLING COVERAGE AND, AND DOING YOUR PART TO WORK ON THOSE THINGS? A YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING IN SEDONA RELATIVE TO, UH, INCREASED RISK FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY'S POINT OF VIEW? I DON'T HAVE A PERSPECTIVE AROUND THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, HOWEVER, OUR COMPREHENSIVE FIRE MITIGATION PLAN PLAN IS HEAVILY COORDINATED WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, WITH, UM, ALL THE WILDFIRE AGENCIES AND FIREFIGHTING AGENCIES ACROSS THE STATE, UM, AND WITH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORING UTILITIES. UM, AND SO WE [00:40:01] BELIEVE REALLY, UH, IN THE COLLABORATION OR AROUND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING THE SAME RISK INDEXES, UM, AND THE SAME PREVENTATIVE MEASURES AND THE SAME, UM, PREPAREDNESS PLANS AS OUR LOCAL AUTHORITIES IN THE SPACE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, BUT, UH, AS A STATE WE'RE ALL SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE AND, AND MEASURING RISK IN THE SAME WAY. THAT'D BE, YOU KNOW, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES MIGHT MAKE A GOOD ADDITION TO YOUR STAKEHOLDER GROUP CUZ THEY CERTAINLY HAVE DIRECT IMPACT TO ALL OF OUR LIVES AND HOW THEY EVALUATE RISK AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. JESSICA. THANK YOU, KATHY. NO. OH, OKAY. BRIAN, UH, JUST ONE QUESTION, MAYOR. THANK YOU. UH, THANKS FOR COMING IN THIS EVENING. UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DEFENSIBLE SPACES, UH, EFFORT THAT YOU, UH, HAVE ONGOING. CERTAINLY SOME OF THE CONCERN OR SOME OF THE BLAME PLACED IN CA CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN A LACK OF MANAGING, UH, FUELS AND, AND HAVING, UH, DEFENSIBLE SPACE IN PLACE. WOULD YOU SAY THAT APS IS WHERE THEY WANT TO BE ON MANAGING DEFENSIBLE SPACE? OR IS THERE A BACKLOG OF MILES THAT STILL NEED TO BE WORKED ON? LIKE CAN YOU KIND OF CHARACTERIZE WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT? YEAH, SO WE FOLLOW, UM, VERY STRICT NERC REGULATORY, UH, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC RELIABILITY CORPORATION. IT'S A NATIONALLY, UM, RECOGNIZED STANDARD, AND WE ARE ON CYCLE WITH OUR VEGETATION. WE ALSO HAVE A, AS I MENTIONED, A REALLY COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FOREST SERVICE. AND, UM, UNLIKE OUR NEIGHBORING STATES THAT, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN PETE MENTIONED, UM, THEY ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF US STAYING ON CYCLE AND USING THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES, HERBICIDE, ET CETERA, TO ENSURE THAT OUR VEGETATION MANAGES IT. UM, THEY OFTEN USE OUR, UH, RIGHT OF WAYS BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION THAT THEY'RE IN AS FIRE BREAKS. UM, AND SO WE WORK REALLY COLLABORATIVELY WITH THEM AND WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP. SO THEY HELP US, UH, IN WAYS THAT, UM, OTHER NEIGHBORING STATES DON'T HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SURE. MELISSA. NATHAN. THANKS MAYOR. HI, MACKENZIE. THANKS FOR COMING. WHAT IS THE SINGLE THING THAT YOU WOULD ADVISE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO DO IN PREPARATION FOR THE WILDFIRE SEASON ABOUT TO HIT US? GREAT QUESTION. UM, YAVAPAI COUNTY RECENTLY MOVED TO AN EVERBRIDGE APP, UM, FOR EMERGENCY ALERTS. AND I THINK THE MOST, UH, THE BEST THING THAT, UH, RESIDENTS CAN DO IS BE PREPARED TO EVACUATE WHEN THE TIME COMES. SO PAY ATTENTION TO THE READY, SET, GO, UH, AND READY DOESN'T MEAN GET READY. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE READY, UH, AND THEN BE PREPARED TO EVACUATE. THAT'S THE BEST THING TO DO FOR THE SAFETY OF THE FIREFIGHTERS AND FOR YOUR OWN PUBLIC SAFETY. SO THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON AN EVACUATION PROGRAM, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE OUR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING TO ADVISE OUR RESIDENTS ON JULY 12TH. AND I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE AT 6:00 PM HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. SO EVERYBODY MARK THAT DATE ON YOUR CALENDAR BECAUSE WE'VE DIVIDED THE CITY INTO ZONES. YOU GONNA WANNA KNOW WHAT ZONE YOU'RE IN AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE EVENT OF AN EVACUATION. WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS. WE HAVE A LOT OF MATERIAL AND A LOT OF INFORMATION TO SHARE. AND THIS WILL BE THE FIRST OF AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THE SUBJECT. THAT'S GREAT. DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, HI, MACKENZIE. UM, I, TWO THINGS. ONE, UH, BECAUSE MY H HOME IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE FOREST, WE HAD THE, UH, TREE TRIMMING COMPANY COME BY AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THEY WERE GREAT TO WORK WITH. AND, UH, I WAS PRETTY IMPRESSED. THEY CLEANED UP THE MESS, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THEY HAD TO COME ONTO MY PROPERTY AND THAT WAS, THEY LET ME KNOW THEY, IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN BETTER. WONDERFUL. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, HOW OFTEN DO THEY GO THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS? DO THEY DO A REPEAT EVERY YEAR? DO THEY DO A SITE STUDY EVERY YEAR OR TWO YEARS? THREE YEARS? WHAT'S THE CYCLE? SO THEY DO A SITE STUDY, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, EVERY YEAR IT'S CALLED A PRE-INSPECTION AND THEY VALIDATE, UH, THEY'RE ALL CERTIFIED ARBORISTS. SO THEY VALIDATE, UH, WHAT THE GROWTH LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE RE-VEGETATION LOOKS LIKE, WHAT KIND OF CEPI UM, SPECIES HAVE, UH, EVOLVED THERE. AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND TRIM BASED ON THE CYCLE. SO THEY WILL DO OFF CYCLE TRIMMING IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, [00:45:01] A VERY WET SEASON AND WE SEE ADDITIONAL GROWTH. UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF WE MAINTAIN THE CYCLE THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN BRIAN REFERENCED, THEN WE, UM, ONLY NEED TO COME BACK DURING THOSE CYCLES. BUT WE DO INSPECT IT ANNUALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO, UM, OTHER GROWTH. AND THEN WE ALWAYS TAKE FEEDBACK. IF THERE'S A TREE THAT YOU THINK IS TOO CLOSE, UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT FEEDBACK. CUZ OFTEN WE SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FEEDBACK OR DON'T TAKE MY TREATMENT. RIGHT. WHICH WE APPRECIATE AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE CERTIFIED ARBORISTS. SO THEY MAKE SURE THEY TRIM IT IN A WAY THAT PROD PRODUCES GROWTH IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION INSTEAD OF TOWARDS THE LINE. I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING LAST YEAR WHEN THEY CAME, I JUST THOUGHT THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE TREES GROWING FROM THE PROPERTY UP TO THE, WHICH THEY HIT THE LOW VOLTAGE FIRST AND WAY BEFORE THEY GET TO THE HIGH VOLTAGE. BUT THEY EDUCATED ME ABOUT THE BASE OF THE POLES, HOW THERE HAD TO BE DEFENSIBLE SPACE AT THE POLES BECAUSE SHOULD THERE BE A SHORTAGE AT THE POLE, SPARKS WOULD DROP DOWN. AND THIS WAY THEY, THEY WOULD GO OUT AND NOT IGNITE THE, THE VEGETATION. I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. OKAY. SO THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY GOOD. SO I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST, UH, OR LET ME JUST CLARIFY THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US AS RESIDENTS WHO LIVE NEXT TO THE POLES AND NEXT TO THE WIRES TO CUT OUR OWN, UH, VEGETATION BEFORE IT HITS THE LOW VOLTAGE. BECAUSE FROM THERE IT GOES TO THE HIGH VOLTAGE. YES. SO WE'D BE DOING A GOOD SERVICE FOR OURSELVES AND MAKING OUR HOMES SAFE AS WELL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. WHAT AUGUST. WE'RE GONNA SEE YOU AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'D LIKE TO SEE MACKENZIE, UM, EIGHT B AB 29 42 DISCUSSION. PRESENTATION BY MR. KENT ELLSWORTH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS COALITION TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THEIR ACTIVITIES, ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AND GENERAL SERVICE PROVISION, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY. HI, KENT. AYE, TO YOURS, THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND ALL OF THE COUNSELORS. AND WE ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SUPPORT OVER THESE YEARS. WE APPRECIATE COUNCILOR DUNN FOR BEING OUR LIAISON. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THE, LET'S SEE. THE, THIS IS, IT'S COMING UP. IT'S COMING UP. IT'S BEHIND US. OH IT IS. THERE IT IS. WELL, GREAT. WELL, OUR MISSION, WHAT DO WE DO? OH, LUCK. SO OUR MISSION IS TO CREATE AN AGE-FRIENDLY COMMUNITY. AND OF COURSE WE GOT STARTED IN SEDONA IN 1992. SEDONA IS OUR HOME. AND WE APPRECIATE THIS COMMUNITY SO MUCH. WE ACTUALLY MAKE A COMMITMENT AS AN ORGANIZATION. ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEERS AND SOME ARE HERE TODAY AND OUR BOARD MEMBERS, EVERYONE AND OUR STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE CAN MAINTAIN ALL OF THOSE SUPPORT SERVICES TO GUARANTEE AN AGE-FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AS BEST WE CAN. NOW, H AND N PLACE IS REALLY A VERY IMPORTANT FEATURE. THERE COMES A TIME IN OUR LIFESPAN IF WE SHOULD HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING SO LONG WHERE WE WILL NEED SUPPORT. AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S A COMMON FACT NOW IN, IN THE CENTERS FOR MEDICARE AND MEDICAID SERVICES AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN THIS NATION THAT ABOUT 80% OF US WILL NEED SUPPORT AT SOME POINT JUST TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR INDEPENDENCE. BUT THE BIG DEAL HERE IS THE CHOICES THAT WE HAVE. CAN WE STAY IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY FOR AS LONG AS WE LIVE? CAN WE STAY HERE THROUGH THAT PERIOD OF TIME IN OUR LIFE WHERE WE WILL NEED SOMEBODY? THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE WANT TO MAKE VERDE VALLEY AND SEDONA THE MOST ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO COME AND LIVE OUT YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. ENJOY THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE. DON'T BE FORCED TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE YOU DON'T WANT TO LIVE. WE WANT TO ALWAYS FOCUS AS AN ORGANIZATION ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. GROWING OUR CAPACITY TO SERVE THE NEED AND SUSTAINING OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES. THOSE ARE TWO OF THE BIGGEST THINGS. AND WE SERVE RESIDENTS WHO FACE MOBILITY CHALLENGES AND DUE TO HEALTH CONDITIONS AND ADVANCED AGE, THE KEY THING HERE IS THAT THEY CAN'T DRIVE. THERE COMES A POINT WHEN THEY JUST CAN'T DRIVE SAFELY. AND ALL I NEED TO DO IS GIVE US A CALL AND WE'LL BE THERE IN FULL FORCE. TRANSPORTATION IS OUR BIGGEST SERVICE. WE HAVE [00:50:01] VOLUNTEERS. YOU KNOW, SINCE COVID, THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS WE HAVE HAS DROPPED IN HALF. ACTUALLY WE HAVE ONLY 150 VOLUNTEERS NOW. AND THAT PROBABLY SOUNDS LIKE A LOT TO MANY ORGANIZATIONS, BUT THEY'RE REALLY ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. SO WE HAVE 150 VOLUNTEERS AND WE HAVE A SMALL STAFF. WE HAVE THREE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VANS. WE'VE BEEN PROMISED A THIRD, A FOURTH RATHER BY ADOT. IT HASN'T COME YET CAUSE IT HASN'T GOTTEN OFF THE ASSEMBLY LINE. SO WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THAT, BUT THAT'LL BE GOOD. AND IT'S A MUCH BIGGER VAN. YOU KNOW, IT'S AN 11 PASSENGER VAN, THE TWO WHEELCHAIR POSITIONS, WHICH WILL REALLY SERVICE A LOT. AND SO WE PROVIDE ABOUT 30,000 TRIPS TO 1800 PEOPLE EACH YEAR. THAT'S A LOT. AND ALSO, I THINK THE OTHER PART OF THIS TOO IS HOW MANY MILES. I MEAN, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED, LET'S BE FRANK ABOUT THAT. WE CAN SEE THAT IT'S IN THE HEALTHCARE AVAILABILITY. IT'S IN ALL OF THESE IMPACTS THAT WE'RE ALL EXPERIENCING. SO JUST FIVE YEARS AGO, OUR VOLUNTEERS AND STAFF DROVE ABOUT 250,000 MILES. WOW. THIS YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE 600,000 MILES. SO WHY IS THAT? SO WE DO REIMBURSE OUR VOLUNTEERS MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT SO THEY CAN STAY OUT ON THE ROAD AND THEY CAN DO MORE WORK, MORE DO MORE OF THIS MORE THAN ONE DAY A WEEK. BUT SOME VOLUNTEERS WHO DRIVE FIVE OR SIX DAYS A WEEK, SO WE PROVIDE MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT. THE COST OF GASOLINE HAS GONE WAY UP. AND, UM, SO WE'RE, WE'LL BE SPENDING ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THIS YEAR JUST ON MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT FOR A VOLUNTEER THAT'S 600,000 MILES. THAT'S A LOT OF MILES. 80% THOUGH. LOOK AT THIS. 80% OF ALL THE TRIPS WE PROVIDE TO SEDONA RESIDENTS, THE DESTINATIONS ARE NOT IN SEDONA, THEY'RE IN COTTONWOOD, THEY'RE IN FLAGSTAFF, THEY'RE IN PHOENIX METRO AREA ALL OVER THE PHOENIX, UH, VALLEY, AND THEY'RE IN PRESCOTT. AND WE'RE CALLED UPON JUST A FEW YEARS AGO TO DO MAYBE 5, 4, 5 OF THESE LONG DISTANCE TRIPS A WEEK. NOW IT'S 20 AND MAYBE 30 LONG DISTANCE TRIPS EVERY WEEK. SO THAT'S A LOT, THAT'S A LOT OF MILEAGE OUT THERE. AND OUR VOLUNTEERS WILL DELIVER ABOUT 30,000 HOURS OF SERVICE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY GREAT THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY ARE PEOPLE DO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND GET TO WORK AND THEY ALL HAVE OPINIONS TOO IN THEIR . SO WE, WE LOVE IT. SO IT'S, IT REALLY HELPS BUILD A STRONGER COMMUNITY HAVING SO MUCH ENGAGEMENT. AND SO NOW LOOK AT THIS PICTURE. SO SERVICES BEYOND TRANSPORTATION, PEOPLE NEED A LOT MORE THAN JUST TRANSPORTATION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LIVING ALONE AND YOU CAN NO LONGER DRIVE. THEY NEED US TO HELP SHOP FOR THEM, GO TO THE GROCERY STORES WITH THEM OR FOR THEM AND BUSINESS ASSISTANCE, HOW TO SORT OUT ALL THOSE BILLS. AND INCLUDED IN THIS IS WITH OUR CALL CENTER WHERE WE HAVE THREE TO FOUR PEOPLE THERE ON THE PHONES ALL DAY LONG, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. WE WANT TO HELP WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS. I GOT THIS THING IN THE MAIL AND IT SAYS, I NEED TO SEND SOME MONEY. I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SIGNING UP FOR THIS. WHAT DOES IT MEAN? SO WE ANSWER THAT. WE CAN SEND SOMEONE OUT TO THE HOME, A VOLUNTEER OUT TO LOOK AT IT AND HELP THEM. WE'VE HAD CALLS AT OUR CALL CENTER SAYING, I JUST GOT A CALL FROM MY GRANDSON. HE'S IN A JAIL IN MEXICO, AND THEY WANT ME TO SEND $5,000. OUR FIRST QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE A GRANDSON? RIGHT. ? THE ANSWER IS NO. YEAH. IN THIS CASE. SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, , THE FIRST THING SHE SAID IS, CAN YOU GIMME A RIDE TO THE BANK? I GOTTA GET SOME MONEY OUT RIGHT AWAY. WE SAID, WELL, WHAT IS GOING ON? SO THAT CALL CENTER IN PLACE IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO HELP ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, GET RID OF THAT FEAR. I MEAN, WE'RE HERE TO HELP AT ANY TIME. WE PROVIDE HANDY PERSON HELP, WE PROVIDE PET ASSISTANCE. SO IN THIS PICTURE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WONDERFUL LITTLE CAT THERE ON ONE OF OUR CLIENT'S LAPS. AND THAT CAT IS A ROBOT THAT'S A ROBOTIC CAT THAT WAS PURCHASED BY ONE OF OUR DONORS FOR THIS WOMAN WHO COULD NO LONGER CARE FOR HER OWN CAT. SO THAT CAT DOES PER AND AT MEOWS, BUT YOU DON'T NEED A LITTER BOX FOR THIS CAT. SO THAT HELPS HER A LOT. SO, AND I THINK A LOT OF THESE OTHER SERVICE CARE COORDINATION IS NUMBER ONE, WE GET A NEW CLIENT, WE SEND SOMEONE OUT THERE TO THE HOME TO INTERVIEW THEM RIGHT AWAY WITHIN A FEW DAYS. AND TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED. WHAT [00:55:01] ELSE IS GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE? WE KNOW IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN JUST TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. AND TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO THEM AND BE ABLE TO CONNECT THEM TO ALL OF THESE OTHER SERVICES THAT THEY NEED THAT WILL HELP SUPPORT THEIR INDEPENDENCE. SO FRIENDLY PHONE CALLS AND VISITS IN THEIR HOME LEARNING LOANING, EMERGENCY ALERT UNITS. AND WE HAVE A NEW STYLE NOW THAT CONNECTS TO THE CELL PHONE TOWER. SO WHEREVER A PERSON GOES AND IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND EVEN HAS FALL DETECTION, THEY CAN PRESS THE BUTTON AND, UM, 9 1 1 WOULD BE CALLED. AND WE DON'T CHARGE FOR OUR SERVICES, BUT GUESS WHAT? OVER 80% OF ALL THE PEOPLE WE SERVE MAKE MULTIPLE DONATIONS, VOLUNTARY DONATIONS EVERY YEAR, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. SO WITH THIS WONDERFUL TEAM OF FOLKS THAT WE HAVE, OR VOLUNTEERS AND STAFF, YOU KNOW, WITH ESPECIALLY OUR VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ABOUT 15 RETIRED NURSES. MOST OF THEM ARE STILL LICENSED. AND WE HAVE SEVERAL RETIRED PHYSICIANS AS VOLUNTEERS. AND KNOWING THAT WHEN COVID CAME ALONG AND WE KNEW THE VACCINATIONS WOULD SOON BE AVAILABLE HERE, WE ESTABLISHED A PARTNERSHIP WITH SPECTRUM HEALTHCARE AND WE PULLED TOGETHER THAT TEAM OF VOLUNTEER NURSES AND PHYSICIANS TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER VACCINATION TO PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES. WE PROVIDED 1000 VACCINATIONS DURING THAT EARLY PERIOD IN 2001 BETWEEN, UM, UH, FEBRUARY AND THE END OF THE YEAR. AND THOSE RETIRED, UH, NURSES ARE STILL HELPING GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND THEY'RE HELPING WITH THIS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED TOO, IS THE FACT THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE A SMARTPHONE AND GUESS WHAT? THEY GOT THAT DELIVERED TO THEM OR MAILED TO THEM BY THEIR ADULT CHILD. HERE, MOM HERE, DAD, YOU NEED THIS. YOU NEED TO STAY CONNECTED. AND THEY OPEN UP THE BOXES SO IT'S NOT WORKING. HOW DO I MAKE THIS THING WORK? AND SO THEY NEEDED HELP AND GETTING IT SET UP. SO WE DO THAT ALL SORTS OF TECH COACHING. THE OTHER THING THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS VIRTUAL CARE ASSISTANTS PROVIDING DIRECT ASSISTANCE IN THE HOME WITH A TABLET AND A HOTSPOT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN GET TO THOSE APPOINTMENTS VIRTUALLY, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT FEELING WELL WELL ENOUGH TO TRAVEL. AND SO THIS IS A RELATIONSHIP WE ESTABLISHED WITH NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE. THEY'VE GIVEN US 11 TABLETS NOW ALL PRE-SET UP WITH THEIR SOFTWARE FOR THEIR VIRTUAL CARE APPOINTMENTS. AND WE'VE JUST GOTTEN THAT, UH, PROGRAM LAUNCHED AND THAT'S MAKING A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE FOR PEOPLE. SO WE'RE SERVING ABOUT FOUR TO 500, UH, SEDONA RESIDENTS THIS YEAR AND MAKING 11,000 TRIPS. LIKE I MENTIONED, 80% OF THOSE TRIPS ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND WE'RE BEGINNING TO GET PEOPLE TO SOCIAL OUTINGS ONCE A MONTH. WE HAVE A SPECIAL SOCIAL OUTING, WE TAKE PEOPLE OUT TO LUNCH. UH, WE, UM, GO TO THE PETTING FARM IN VILLE AND, AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS JUST TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER AGAIN. AND THAT'S IT. SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A WONDERFUL PROGRAM. LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN HERE, IT'LL BE 31 YEARS LATER THIS YEAR IN OCTOBER, WE'LL BE 31 YEARS OLD. AND WE REALLY ENJOY SERVING AND MAKING THIS THE BEST PLACE TO GROW. OLD OR RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU KENT. WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE DAYS VICE MAYOR? THANKS KENT. UH, I, I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM AND I SHARED WITH YOU EARLIER THAT I HAVE A FRIEND AND THE ONLY WAY SHE IS ABLE TO STAY LIVING IN HER HOME IS THROUGH VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER MEALS ON WHEELS, MARJORIE. UH, SO IT'S TERRIFIC THAT WE HAVE THESE PROGRAMS IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. SURE. WHICH IS, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE HAVING TO GO TO PHOENIX OR OUT, MAKE THESE LONG DISTANCE TRIPS NOW YOU WENT FROM THREE A WEEK TO 20 A WEEK. MM-HMM. , IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF LOCAL HEALTHCARE? YES. AND SO WE HAVE A LACK OF, UH, SPECIALTY PROVIDERS IN OUR LOCAL AREA NOW. AND SO QUITE A NUMBER OF THOSE, UH, LONG DISTANCE TRIPS ARE FOR SPECIALTY CARE. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO MENTION A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT SEDONA IS DOING V VERY STRAIGHTFORWARDLY IN DEVELOPING ITS TRANSIT SYSTEM. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE WHEN THE MICRO TRANSIT CAN GET ESTABLISHED. CUZ WE WANT TO HELP THE SEDONA RESIDENTS WHO LIVE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OF, OF THAT PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT TO LUNCH, TO GO SHOPPING. THEY CAN, THEY CAN RETRIEVE SOME INDEPENDENCE THROUGH THAT. AND [01:00:01] SO WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK TO BUILD A BETTER TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE CUZ WE ALL NEED IT. AND I THINK THE RESIDENTS HERE NEED IT TOO. WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE. YES. I THINK YOU MIGHT BE THE CHAIRMAN. THAT'S CORRECT. . SO IT'S, IT'S A DELIGHT BEING HERE IN SEDONA. IT'S A VERY UNIQUE CITY. UM, AND IT JUST MAKES IT SO GOOD. I MEAN, I, I HOPE THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THE, THE, HOW PLEASANT IT IS TO BE IN A WONDERFUL PLACE WITH ALL, ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. THANK YOU, KATHY. OKAY, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR KEN, THANKS FOR BEING HERE AND PRESENTING AS WELL. AND THANK YOU REALLY FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. I'M ALWAYS REMINDED WHEN I THINK OF YOU GUYS, WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING FOR THIS SEAT, I MET A GENTLEMAN WHO WAS, I COULD TELL HE WAS ABSOLUTELY AT HIS WITS END. AND WHEN I, HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TALK TO ME, BUT HE TALKED TO ME ANYHOW BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HE NEEDED SOMEONE TO TALK TO AND HE MENTIONED HIS YOUNGER WIFE WAS HAVING A MENTAL ISSUES. AND SO I SAID, YOU NEED TO CALL THESE PEOPLE. AND HE DID. AND I SAW 'EM FOR A, A FEW TIMES AFTERWARDS AND HE THANKED ME SO MANY TIMES FOR GETTING YOU INVOLVED IN THEIR LIVES. SHE, SHE LATER PASSED AWAY. BUT, UM, IT WAS JUST A, I FELT SO GOOD TO KNOW THAT THAT SERVICE EXISTED AND TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT REFERENCE TO HIM. YES. CAN YOU HELP ME REMIND, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT YOUR OPERATING BUDGET IS? OUR OPERATING BUDGET IN TOTAL, UH, FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR IS ABOUT 1.3 MILLION. YEAH. AND, UH, I THINK FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR YOU HAD HAD 65,000 FUNDING FROM THE CITY AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR A BIT MORE FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. CORRECT. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY AMONGST SOME OF THE BEST VALUE THAT WE RECEIVE IN CONTRIBUTING. SO I, I REALLY WANT TO GIVE YOU KUDOS FOR THAT. KUDOS. IF, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE CITY MANAGER TELLS ME THAT YOU'LL ALSO READ YOUR CONTRACT VERY CAREFULLY AND YOU ACTUALLY DELIVER THE PERFORMANCE REPORT EVERY YEAR. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT AND TO EVALUATE THAT AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AND DOING THAT. COUNCILOR FURMAN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT LEAVES ME AND THE VICE MAYOR ASKED MY QUESTION ABOUT N A H AND THE IMPACT ON YOUR ORGANIZATION. UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU BECAUSE, UH, AS UH, PETE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAMPAIGNED AND WE DID SOMETIMES TOGETHER I DID ON MY OWN. AND I ENCOUNTERED A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY COMMENDED THE SERVICES THEY RECEIVED FROM YOU AND MARJORIE FROM THE COMMUNITY CENTER. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR BOTH OF THOSE, YOUR GREAT ORGANIZATIONS, THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, UH, GET TO A DOCTOR. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO SHOPPING AND THEY CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EAT A LOT OF TIMES. SO WHAT A GREAT TEAM YOU BOTH MAKE. AND I'M SO PROUD TO HAVE YOU IN OUR CITY, BOTH OF YOU, BOTH ORGANIZATIONS. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL DONE WITH QUESTIONS, SO, UM, OKAY. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? NO, I THINK THAT'S IT. I APPRECIATE IT. WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU. THANKS. OKAY. ITEM HC, AB 29 46 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE APPROVAL OF THREE OF A THREE YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER. VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, UH, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE SEDONA LIBRARY. AND SEDONA RECYCLES, UH, WHO'S GONNA PRESENT SHERRY. OKAY. DO WE START? YES, I WILL START OFF. ALRIGHT, GREAT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD AFTERNOON. EVENING. YES. , UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE MET OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER YET, I, BUT HAVE WANTED TO INTRODUCE, UM, HEIDI WEBER. NO RELATION TO ROBERT. OH, DARN. OKAY. SO, UM, SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THE, THE PROCESS WITH THE, UM, SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACT. SO SHE'S HERE TO HELP SUPPORT IN THE CONVERSATION. UM, WHAT WE DID WAS WE HAD OUR, UM, UH, EACH ONE SERVICE PROVIDERS, UM, SUBMIT A PROPOSAL FOR THE RENEWAL OF THEIR AGREEMENTS. THEY WERE AT THE END OF THEIR, THEIR TERM ON EACH ONE. AND WE HAD THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP, UM, DO A REVIEW OF THOSE PROPOSALS AND HEAR PRESENTATIONS FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE SERVICE PROVIDERS AND PROVIDE [01:05:01] THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UM, FUNDING THOSE, THOSE REQUESTS. UM, THE CITY MANAGER, KAREN, HAS ALSO, UM, TAKEN A LOOK AT THOSE. AND SO YOU WILL SEE, UM, SOME DIFFERENCES IN A COUPLE OF THE SITUATIONS IN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. UM, AND OF COURSE KAREN'S HERE TO ANSWER, UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HER RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR PROPOSALS AS WELL. OKAY. I WANNA START WITH QUESTIONS FROM NAIS. ANY QUESTIONS HERE? NO QUESTIONS AT ALL. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, UM, SO I'M TRYING TO THINK WHETHER THIS IS ACTUALLY A DISCUSSION, COMMENT VERSUS QUESTION, BUT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SONOMA PUBLIC LIBRARY REQUEST AND, AND HOW THAT INVOLVED A, A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, UH, AND WHATNOT, UM, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE FOR THE, THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND IN PART WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY AND HOW THEY'VE, UH, REDUCED THEIR FUNDING TO THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY. UM, I'LL CERTAINLY HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING IN, IN THE PUBLIC, BEING ABLE TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT'S TRANSPIRED WITH THE FUNDING PROCESS FOR LIBRARIES IN YAVAPAI COUNTY. UM, COUNSELOR, I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY BEST ADDRESSED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE LIBRARY WHO IS HERE. SO IF JUDY, IF I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY. WELL LET'S FINISH. OKAY. I DO. JUDY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE, TO, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE LIBRARY FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY? GOOD EVENING. HELLO. DO YOU, SO THE WAY THE COUNTY, THE WAY YAVAPAI COUNTY FUNDS LIBRARIES IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAXING DISTRICT. THEY COLLECT TAXES FROM EVERY PROPERTY IN YAVAPAI COUNTY. THOSE TAXES ARE THEN GIVEN TO THE LIBRARY, THE, THE COUNTY LIBRARIAN AND HE DECIDES HOW THEY ARE DISTRIBUTED. UM, DO YOU WANT NUMBERS PLEASE? PETE? PETE'S A GOOD NUMBERS GUY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023. SEDONA RESIDENCE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS PAID $407,000. WELL 407 5 500, 400 $7,577 AND 92 CENTS TOWARDS THEIR LIBRARY TAX. THEY ARE RECEIVING BACK $169,453 OR 41.5%. IS THAT BOTH COUNTIES, JUDY? NO. COCONINO IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT AFTER YOU'RE DONE WITH THE YAVAPAI? I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE FUNDING. THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED. THEY BOTH USE FORMULAS. UM, THE TAX LEVY IN COCONINO COUNTY IS ALMOST TWICE AS MUCH AS IT IS IN YAVAPAI COUNTY. UM, THEY COULD HAVE THIS YEAR IF THEY HAD CHOSEN, RAISED THE TAX LEVY, BUT THEY DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT. THEY ACTUALLY DID NOT EVEN DISCUSS IT. THEY DECIDED THAT THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AND THAT THIS CUT THAT WE ARE GETTING WILL PROBABLY BE CUT THIS YEAR AT AS WELL AS NEXT. SO HOW MUCH WAS THE CUT, JUDY THIS YEAR FOR LAST YEAR? I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THESE NUMBERS MEMORIZED . THAT'S OKAY. UM, LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED $268,369. THIS YEAR RECEIVE, WE'RE RECEIVING TWO 29,452. BUT THAT IS SPLIT BETWEEN, PART OF IT GOES TO THE VILLAGE AND PART OF IT GOES TO THE MAIN LIBRARY. SO THE MAIN LIBRARY IS RECEIVING $169,452 THIS YEAR. UM, IT'S, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE CUT. SO $38,000 DIFFERENCE. SO THE SHORT THING IS THE COUNTY IT, IN ADDITION TO NOT GIVING SEDONA RESIDENCE, ITS SHARE OF TAXES, ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANTLY CUT THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY. YES, YOU DONE. YOU DONE. I'M DONE WITH THIS. I, AFTERWARDS I'D LIKE JUDY TO, TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT YEAH, THAT'S FINE. KATHY? YEAH. UM, HAS OUR YAVAPAI COUNTY DISTRICT THREE SUPERVISOR WEIGHED IN ON THESE BUDGET CUTS. SHE WAS IN SUPPORT OF THEM. UHHUH, [01:10:01] I UNDERSTAND CONTACT. THERE WAS A, A VIDEO OF THE, THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING WAS, YOU CAN WATCH IT. YEP. RIGHT. THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY THIS, UH, ALL THE SUPERVISORS. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS? I BELIEVE THE COMMENT WAS, I GUESS SEDONA WILL JUST HAVE TO RAISE SOME MORE MONEY. SOMETHING ABOUT I'M, IT'S NOT A DIRECT QUOTE, NOT A, BUT WAS THERE ANOTHER, UH, NON-DIRECT QUOTE OF SOMETHING ABOUT THEY THINK IT'S THEIR MONEY? WOULD THAT THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE. SO DO THE MUNICIPALITIES THINK THAT WE SHOULD JUST GIVE THEM THIS MONEY? THANK YOU MAYOR JUDY. THOSE NUMBERS ARE STUNNING AND I'D LIKE YOU TO REPEAT, BUT USE THE PERCENTAGE THIS TIME. WHAT PERCENT OF REVENUE PAID BY YAVAPAI COUNTY SEDONA RESIDENCE COMES BACK TO SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY? 41.5%. 41.5%? CORRECT. THANK YOU. LAST YEAR, JUST SO YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR THE PERCENTAGE WAS 53.9%. MM-HMM. , JUDY, WHERE'S THAT? ALL THE MONEY GOING TO? IT'S GOING TO ALL OF THE OTHER LIBRARIES, UM, IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY. AND SOME OF IT SUPPORTS THE YAVAPAI LIBRARY NETWORK. OKAY, LET ME HOLD ON. YES, MA'AM. I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS. SO WE PAY 407,000 HOUR IN CITY RESIDENCE JUST IN YAVAPAI COUNTY. JUST IN YAVAPAI COUNTY. CORRECT. THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS, THEY PAY TAXES AS WELL. THEY PAY LIBRARY TAXES RIGHT. ON THEIR PROPERTY? YES, THEY DO. SO THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT. WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I WOULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT, YES. UM, IF YOU WANTED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU SPEAK TO THE COUNTY LIBRARIAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, UH, THE, I THINK WE'RE IN ANOTHER SITUATION LIKE YAVAPAI COLLEGE. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . OUR TAXES ARE GOING TO SUPPORT COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF WHERE THE TAXES ARE COLLECTED. WHICH IS A, THAT IS CORRECT. SORRY. STATE OF AFFAIRS I SAY. SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS THE CITY, BUT LET ME GIVE YOU ONE OTHER FIGURE. IN, IN, UM, IN THE VILLAGE, THE VILLAGE PAYS $223,624 IN TAXES AND THEY'RE GETTING BACK 60,000, WHICH IS 26.8%. SO IN THAT, IN THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE DOING GOOD SUPPORTED. THAT'S SUPPORTED BY THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR, OUR WHO LIVES THERE. OUR COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISOR. YES. DID NOT ADVOCATE FOR OUR RESIDENTS IN THE FACE OF THESE CUTS. YOU'RE GONNA GET ME IN TROUBLE. . I THINK MY POINT HAS BEEN MADE. INTERESTING. I DON'T WANNA GET YOU IN TROUBLE. UH, OKAY. AND JESSICA, YOU GOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD? UH, IF BRIAN'S FINISHED, I DON'T KNOW HE HAD BEFORE. THIS TOOK A LIFE OF ITS OWN, BUT IT'S ALL GOOD BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS IMPORTANT. I'M SENDING IT BACK TO YOU, BRIAN, IN CASE YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE LIBRARY, THEN, IS INVOLVING SEDONA RECYCLES AND WHAT THE, UH, CITIZENS CAN WE FINISH, CAN WE FINISH WITH JUDY WHAT JUDY SAID? NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON LIBRARY THEN. OKAY. SO JUDY, YES. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING YOU'RE ASKING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CUTS FROM THE YAVAPI. UM, JUST SHARE WITH THE AUDIENCE THE REASON THAT YOUR VISION FOR WHAT THE LIBRARY CAN AND SHOULD BE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WHY, WHY THE COUNCIL IS BEING ASKED TO SORT OF STEP UP AND, AND, AND, UH, SEE THE VISION TO SUPPORT THAT VISION. SO, LIBRARIES HAVE CHANGED DRASTICALLY OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A 30 YEAR OLD BUILDING THAT IS EXPERIENCING SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. WE HAVE 30 YEAR OLD CARPET IN OUR BUILDING. WE HAVE TWO MEETING ROOMS. WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, NEED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR MORE SPACE FOR PEOPLE. AND WE ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME COMING UP WITH THE FUNDS TO DO THAT. UH, AND WE ARE GOING TO GO OUT AND START TO ASK THE PUBLIC TO HELP SUPPORT US. JUST AS THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY WAS BUILT BY THE COMMUNITY, WE WOULD LIKE THE, THE COMMUNITY TO STEP UP AND TRY TO HELP US, UM, DO SOME [01:15:01] RENOVATIONS. I KIND OF BELIEVE THAT AS WE START TO ASK FOR DONATIONS FOR THE BUILDING, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STEP UP AND WANT TO SUPPORT THAT. AND AS THEY DO THAT, WE WILL PROBABLY LOSE SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR OPERATIONS. IT'S A LITTLE SEXIER TO, TO DONATE TO, UM, SOME UPGRADES TO OUR BUILDING. SO MOST LIBRARIES IN THE COUNTY ARE, ARE FUNDING ABOUT 90% OF THEIR LIBRARIES WITH MUNICIPAL. MUNICIPAL LIBRARIES ARE FUNDING ABOUT 90% THIS YEAR. UM, I'M ASKING FOR 50% WITH THE HOPES THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL UNDERSTAND AND HELP US OUT. IT'S A FOLLOW UP. I WAS GONNA FOLLOW UP, BUT, OKAY. SURE. OKAY. I ON JUST WHAT, UH, YOU SAID, UH, THAT, WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE OF MOST COMMUNITIES IN, IN THE COUNTRY FUND THEIR LIBRARIES AND WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? WELL, MOST LIBRARIES IN THE COUNTRY ARE MUNICIPAL OR COUNTY LIBRARIES. SO THEY GET FUNDED THROUGH EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE MUNICIPALITY. THAT'S, THAT'S MOST OF THEIR FUNDING EXCEPT FOR GRANTS. RIGHT. SO THEY ACTUALLY USE THE PROPERTY TAX LIBRARY PROPERTY TAX FOR THEIR LIBRARIES. CORRECT. AND YET WE HAVE TO NOW SUBSIDIZE, WHICH I, I TOTALLY GET, BUT, BUT WE HAVE A TAX, I I I'M GETTING INTO MY OWN COMMENTS, SO I DON'T WANNA DO THAT . OKAY. OKAY. IT'S JUST MIND BOGGLING. BUT GO AHEAD, JESSICA. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE, SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, IN ADDITION TO SORT OF COMING UP CLOSER TO A COMMUNITY SUPPORT A A SORT OF ESTABLISHED LEVEL OF SUPPORT OF A LIBRARY AND TO DO OPERATIONAL IS TO, YOUR PROGRAMMING IS GOING TO CHANGE AS A RESULT OF HAVING MORE, OR IS MAKE IT A QUESTION, , IS YOUR PROGRAMMING GOING TO CHANGE? AND WHAT DO YOU VIEW, WHAT'S YOUR VISION OF PROGRAMMING, UM, FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO ANSWER ONE YEAR CAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING SO QUICKLY. ONE YEAR. UM, IN THE NEXT YEAR, WE HOPE TO START TO CREATE A, A MUCH BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR HISPANIC COMMUNITY. WE WOULD LIKE TO START TO WORK ON SOME BUSINESS INCUBATION COURSES. UH, WE WANNA BEEF UP OUR COMPUTER COURSES, WE WANNA HOLD MORE ENTERTAINING PROGRAMS FOR THE PUBLIC. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, OH, WHERE DID HE GO? HE LEFT THE FIDDLER ON THE ROCKS WAS SCHEDULED, UM, TO, TO BE AT THE LIBRARY. OKAY. WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO GET STARTED, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. IN THE PAST, LIBRARIES HAVE ALWAYS BEGGED PEOPLE TO COME AND DO PROGRAMS FOR THEM. I'M NOT A BIG BELIEVER IN BEGGING PEOPLE TO DO ALL OF THE PROGRAMS FOR US. WE TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE A STIPEND, MAYBE $50 IF IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S COMING AND DOING SOMETHING SPECIAL, UM, WE CAN BEEF UP OUR PROGRAMMING WITH, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND THE PROGRAMMING IS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, A QUESTION FOR YOU, MAYOR, DO YOU WANT, UH, COMMENTS ON THE LIBRARY? DO YOU WANNA FINISH THAT LIBRARY OR DO YOU WANT COMMENTS ON THE LIBRARY TO WAIT FOR COMMENTS? I THINK WE SHOULD DO TOPIC BY TOPIC AND THEN WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE WITH HEARING EVERYBODY, WE'LL DO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END. OKAY. OKAY. YOU WANT DO COMMENTS? COMMENTS? WE ASK QUESTIONS. LET'S DO COMMENTS NOW FOR THE LIBRARY. OH, OKAY. SO LET'S DO IT ALL BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE BRINGING PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH, SO, OKAY. OKAY. AND I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS FOR, FOR JUDY. OKAY. SHALL I SIT ALL RIGHT DOWNSTAIRS. THAT DIDN'T SOUND VERY GOOD, BUT, BUT, BUT I KNOW, HOW DOES THE PUBLIC COMMENT FACTOR INTO THAT THOUGH? BECAUSE I WANNA HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THINK HERE MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. . GOOD POINT. YEAH, I, WELL, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR NO, I, I, I TEND TO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD ASK QUESTIONS ON THIS ENTIRE ITEM AND THEN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE OPINE. WELL, RIGHT. SO, SO YOU, SO SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO THE OTHER, OKAY. SO CONTRACTS, PROVIDERS. YES. SO WHY DON'T WE DO THAT, JUDY, AND WE'LL ASK YOU TO, DON'T GO ANYWHERE, JUDY, DON'T LEAVE THE BUILDING. SO, OKAY. UM, WHO IS NEXT? SHERRY, ANY PARTICULAR, ANY QUESTIONS YOU WOULD HAVE? BRIAN WAS STILL RECOGNIZED, I THINK. OKAY. SO BRIAN, I'M LOOKING UP SOMETHING FROM THE BUDGET BOOK THAT RELATES TO THIS, SO I'D LIKE TO DEFER FOR THE MOMENT TO SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ASK. SO, SO THEN I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE, UM, RECYCLING CENTER. GOOD. UH, BECAUSE I, I, IN READING OVER THE DOCUMENTATION, UM, I NOTICE, AND I GUESS THIS IS A, A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF THAT THE, ALL OF THE CONTRACTS WE ARE RENEWING FOR THREE YEARS, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS THAT THIS BE A ONE YEAR, IS THAT, DO I HAVE THAT CORRECT? THE WORK GROUP WAS RECOMMENDING DOING A ONE YEAR, UM, WITH TWO [01:20:01] ONE YEAR OPTIONS, THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY MANAGERS TO DO THE THREE YEAR CONTRACT. OKAY. AND SO THAT IS, THE CONTRACT IS IN YOUR PACKET IS BASED OFF OF A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT. OKAY. SO THE WORK GROUP'S CONCERNS WERE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE UTILIZING THE RECYCLING CENTER. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT WAS A PORTION OF IT. UM, CAUSE THERE WAS A, I GOT THE MEMO SPECIFICALLY ON THEIR COMMENTS WITH THE LIBRARY, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER SPECIFIC MEMO ON THE RECYCLING CENTER DO. IT'S IN THE PACKET, THE GENERAL ONE, BUT IT'S NOT SPECIFIC MEMO ON THAT. YEAH, THERE IS A IS THERE, DID I MISS THAT? YEAH, I'M SORRY. IN THE AGENDA BILL, I APOLOGIZE. DO, DO YOU WANNA HEAR FROM REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WORK GROUP DIRECTLY OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION. DOUG. DOUG, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE SO UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE. OH, FOR THE WORK GROUP. I'M SORRY. I YOU THE WORK GROUP. SO, UM, TRACY RANDALL IS ONE OF THE MEMBERS AND HAS, UM, OFFERED TO BE THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE GROUP, BUT THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS THAT CAN HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. OKAY. THERE'S SEVERAL OF US HERE, SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO JOIN IN. I SEE. ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE LIBRARY OR ABOUT, NO, I'M ASKING ABOUT THE RECYCLING CENTER AND THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION FOR ONE YEAR VERSUS THE THREE YEARS THAT THE IS STANDARD AND THAT CITY MANAGERS RECOMMENDING. OKAY, SURE. I WOULD SAY, UM, ALL OF THE WAYS THAT WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT SERVICE PROVIDERS WERE DEFINITELY IN COMPARISON. SO I THINK YOU GUYS JUST HEARD, WHICH I THINK THE WORK GROUP FELT THE SAME WAY. LIKE THE CAREGIVERS, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE HUMANE SOCIETY, THE SERVICES WE WERE GETTING AND THE WAY THAT THEY WERE COVERING THE COSTS VERSUS EXPECTING THE CITY SEEMED IN LINE TO US AS FAR AS A NONPROFIT. AND SO, I'LL SPEAK TO THE LIBRARY AGAIN CUZ IT WAS THE LIBRARY AND THE RECYCLING CENTER SEEMED LIKE BIG OUTLIERS TO US IN THAT THE AMOUNT THEY WERE GETTING FROM THE CITY WAS SUBSTANTIAL AND ONE WAS ASKING FOR A LOT MORE. AND IN PARTICULAR, THE RECYCLING CENTER WAS AT A LOSS. AND WE HAD SEVERAL BUSINESS FOLKS. I RAN A BUSINESS AT A TIME. UM, CHRISTIAN HAS A BACKGROUND WITHIN RECYCLING FROM, UM, HIS PRIOR LIFE. AND SO WE WERE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY COULD THINK ABOUT NOT BEING AT A LOSS, UM, AND BEING MORE SELF-SUSTAINING, CONSIDERING SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE RESIDENTS WERE USING THEIR SERVICES. UM, IT DID NOT SEEM THAT THAT WAS THE WAY THEY WERE THINKING. LIKE, HOW DO WE TURN THIS INTO A BIGGER THING? UM, I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY GROUP WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE MISSION OF THE CITY TO REALLY ADDRESS CLIMATE ISSUES, THE CLIMATE PLAN. AND SO IN OUR ASSESSMENT, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT OF THE RECYCLING CENTER AS KIND OF A EMOTIONAL THING THAT PEOPLE WERE ATTACHED TO, BUT NOT NECESSARILY MAKING A BIG DENT IN GETTING MORE PEOPLE TO RECYCLE AND ADDRESSING JUST THE OVERALL NEED FOR RECYCLING. PLUS IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY LOSING MONEY AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO GIVE MONEY TO SOMETHING THAT'S LOSING MONEY AND NOT NECESSARILY FIXING A PROBLEM. GO AHEAD. DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH. PRETTY MUCH VERY ACCURATE. UM, THIS PAST YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? MM-HMM. THIS PAST WEEK WE HAD, OR, I MEAN I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE RECYCLE CENTER AND SAW THAT THEY TOOK THE STYROFOAM COLLECTIONS AWAY. UH, CUZ LAST YEAR THEY LOST $60,000 ON IT. SO I THINK THAT'S LIKE A GREAT THING WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF TRYING TO WEIGH THE, THE PROS AND THE BENEFITS OF EACH ITEM. UM, BUT I THINK THAT HAVING THIS SPECIFIC DRIVE OR DIRECTIVE, UM, ATTACHED TO FUNDING MIGHT HELP THEM BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SELF-SUSTAINING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE ALSO HAVE GUY I THINK THAT WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT. UM, I'M IN THE BUDGET WORK GROUP. THIS WAS A PART OF A LARGER PICTURE. THE LARGER PICTURE IS HOW DO WE GET RID OF TRASH IN OUR CITY AND IN WANTING TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, WE HAVE THREE TRASH COMPANIES, SOME THAT RECYCLE AND SOME THAT DO NOT. SO WE WERE ACTUALLY WANTING A STUDY AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT TOMORROW MORNING. I UNDERSTAND WHERE TO PRESENT TO YOU ALSO TOMORROW MORNING. UH, OVERALL, HOW DO WE GET RID OF TRASH AND NOT YET STATED, HALF OF THE TRASH THAT GETS THAT HALF OF THE RECYCLES COME FROM OUT OF THE LOCAL AREA. CONTRACTORS [01:25:01] AND OTHER PEOPLE COME FROM OTHER CITIES TO BRING THEIR TRASH RECYCLE TO THE RECYCLE CENTER. SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS NOT CORRECT THAT THE CITY SUBSIDIZE TRASH REMOVAL FROM CONSTRUCTION SITES AND OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE THE CITY. SO IT IS THE ONE YEAR RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S THE QUESTION, UH, WAS SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, UH, OF, UH, MAYBE SEEKING A, UH, TRASH PICKUP SERVICE THAT WOULD DO A BETTER JOB FOR RECYCLING. I COME FROM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER CITY, UH, AND WE HAD SEVERAL THINGS THAT CAME UP. GLASS WENT HERE, UH, ALUMINUM WENT HERE AND EVERYTHING WAS RECYCLED. AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY MODERNIZED A LITTLE BIT AND YOU KNOW, TO THE BIGGER PICTURE THAN JUST, WE GOT THE RECYCLE CENTER ON THE HILL. THANKS. THANK YOU GUY. VICE MAYOR. IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE RECYCLING NOW? DOUG . IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, THERE HE IS. I KNEW. I KNOW HE IS HERE. THANK YOU. I SERVED ON THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP COMMITTEE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE I RAN FOR COUNCIL. AND WE HAD THE SAME ISSUES. THESE ARE NOT, THIS IS NOT NEW. AND WE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHETHER THIS WAS THE, I KNOW IT WAS THE WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATION, BUT I THINK IT ALSO WAS COUNCIL ASKING, BEGGING, PLEADING FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN. I EVEN FOUND SOMEBODY WHO WAS WILLING TO DO A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR FREE. WHO, WHO HAD THAT BACKGROUND. AND I WAS TOLD, NOT BY YOU, BUT YOUR PREDECESSOR, THAT THAT WAS UNDERWAY AND, AND THE SERVICES WEREN'T NEEDED. BUT NO STRATEGIC PLAN, I'M AWARE HAS EVER BEEN COMPLETED THAT WOULD LOOK AT THE BUSINESS OF, OF THE RECYCLING CENTER AND HOW TO BE MORE SELF-SUSTAINING. AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT WE'VE JUST CONTINUED TO INCREASE THE NUM THE DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED TO RE TO THE RECYCLING CENTER. AND THE RECYCLING CENTER HAS NOT COME BACK TO HELP ON THEIR END, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TO FIND A WAY TO BE MORE BUSINESS ORIENTED AND TO DECREASE ITS DEPENDENCE. AND, AND I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS, BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BAILOUT. WE'RE JUST BAILING OUT THE RECYCLING CENTER YEAR AFTER YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S NO STRATEGY AND MAYBE YOU, YOU CAN'T BECOME A BUSINESS. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. BUT WE ASKED AND WERE TOLD, AND I THINK IT WAS EVEN A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AS I RECALL, THAT A STRATEGIC PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR FUNDING, FOR FUNDING TO CONTINUE. AND I THINK WE HAD RECOMMENDED A ONE YEAR CONTRACT SO THAT WE COULD SEE THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND DECIDE WHAT WE SHOULD DO. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, AND I KNOW I WENT ON A LITTLE BIT LONG, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND CUZ YOU MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF IT. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF A STRATEGIC BUSINESS PLAN FOR THE RECYCLING CENTER? WELL, WE'VE, UH, INCREASED OUR HAULING FEES TO THE, UH, BUSINESSES THAT HAVE, UH, UH, CONTRACTS WITH US. WE NO LONGER HAVE A CONTRACT WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T, WE WERE LOSING MONEY SERVING, UH, VILLE AND, UH, VILLAGE OAK CREEK. AND SO WE ENDED THAT CONTRACT CONTRACT CUZ THEY REFUSED TO, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS, WE HAD A INFLATION RUNNING AT THE 40 YEAR HIGH A YEAR OR SO AGO. AND, UH, DRIVING TO THOSE REMOTE SITES, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE USED FUEL, FUEL PRICES WERE VERY HIGH, AND SO WE WERE LOSING MONEY. SO WE, WE ASKED THEM FOR MORE MONEY AND THEY SAID NO. SO WE REMOVED THOSE BINS ACTUALLY A YEAR AGO. IT WAS IN MAY, 2022. UH, WE'VE INCREASED THE HAULING FEES OF THE BUSINESSES IN SEDONA THAT WE SERVE. UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO PUTS MATERIAL IN OUR BINS. NOW, SOMEBODY TALKED ABOUT CONTRACTORS, WE DON'T RECYCLE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS. UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE'S ILLEGAL DUMPING, BUT, UH, BASICALLY WE'RE JUST RECYCLING THE, THE NORMAL PRODUCTS THAT MOST, UH, WASTE HAULERS, RECYCLE, YOU KNOW, UH, PAPER, CARDBOARD, PLASTIC, ALUMINUM OR STEEL AND ALUMINUM AND GLASS. UM, [01:30:01] I DON'T, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN, WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING, BUT THERE'S, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE, THESE MATERIALS ARE ALL COMMODITIES AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE PRICE OF THE MATERIAL. SO, BUT OUR, OUR BIGGEST EXPENSE IS LABOR. AND WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HARD DIRTY PHYSICAL LABOR TO, TO PROCESS THAT MATERIAL. IF, UH, IF WE WERE TO CUT OUR LABOR, YOU KNOW, PAY PEOPLE LESS, WE WOULD'VE A MORE DIFFICULT TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, FINDING WORKERS TO DO THE WORK. UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF, I GUESS IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION THAT, UH, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT WE GET AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT WE'RE PAID FOR THE MATERIAL WE PROCESS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE CITY'S IN A SITUATION, IF YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE, WE WOULD NEED FUNDING, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE, UH, OPERATING. SO YOU, WE WERE, WE WERE TOLD AND, AND PROMISED THAT THE BOARD WAS GONNA TAKE A LOOK. AND THE, AT THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS, I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND I WASN'T ON THE WORK GROUP THE YEAR BEFORE I RAN FOR COUNSEL. SO LET'S SAY FOUR YEARS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT ELIMINATING THE, THE, THE CONTRACT WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY THAT THE, THE VARIOUS CONTRACTS WHERE THE CO THE CONTRACTEE WAS NOT, WAS COSTING YOU MORE MONEY TO PERFORM THE CONTRACT THAN YOU WERE GETTING PAID. AND, AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT A YEAR AGO YOU STOPPED THAT WE ENDED THAT CONTRACT, YES. YEAH. BUT ASKED YOU TO DO IT THREE YEARS AGO OR FOUR YEARS AGO. AND, UH, AND SO IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO ME TO HEAR THAT AFTER THESE MANY YEARS, NO FURTHER ALONG. AND THAT BOARD, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD AT THE TIME. WELL, I'VE BEEN THE PRESIDENT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. OKAY, WELL IT WASN'T YOU, UH, WELL THAT WASN'T THE PRESIDENT THAT TALKED TO YOU, THAT IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT I THINK HE REPRESENTED HE WAS THE PRESIDENT. BUT WHATEVER PROMISED US, COMMITTED TO US THAT THE BOARD WAS GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND DEVELOP A STRATEGIC PLAN, A BUSINESS PLAN, A BUSINESS OPERATIONS PLAN. AND AS I SAID, I FOUND SOMEBODY WHO WAS WILLING TO DO IT. IT WAS, AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WASN'T NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU HAD ENGAGED WITH SOMEBODY. SO YOU DON'T SEE ANY VALUE TO THAT? NO, A STRATEGIC PLAN IS, IS GOOD, BUT I'M SAYING THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S VARIABLES WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. AND IF YOU WANT US TO RECYCLE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CUT OUT STYROFOAM CAUSE THAT WAS A BIG LOSER. UM, WE HAVE MEMBERSHIPS, WE GET DONATIONS, BUT, UH, THE CITY IS, IS A, IS A BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO OUR, OUR INCOME AND, UH, GONNA LEAVE IT THERE. AND ANYBODY ELSE CAN COMMENT. ARE THERE ANY RECYCLING SETTERS? NO, WE DON'T. ARE THERE ANY RECYCLING SITTERS THAT, UM, ARE SELF-SUFFICIENT? NO PUBLIC RECYCLING SETTERS THAT RELY ON THE PUBLIC THAT RECYCLE WHAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WANNA RECYCLE? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO. THE, THE, THE RECYCLE CENTER AND FLAGSTAFF RECENTLY CLOSED BECAUSE, WELL, THEY HAD, THEY DIDN'T GIVE AN OFFICIAL REASON OF WHY THEY CLOSED. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE IS IS IT YOUR, IT'S, IT'S MY PERCEPTION. I'M WONDERING IF IT'S YOURS THAT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT A A STRATEGIC PLAN WOULDN'T BE USEFUL, UH, BUT THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE, I I GUESS FROM, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IS A STRATEGIC BUSINESS PLAN THAT AIMS TOWARDS SELF-SUFFICIENCY IS LIKELY TO BE ONE THAT SAYS WE SHOULDN'T RECYCLE ALMOST ANYTHING EXCEPT GLASS. IS THAT, UM, OR CARDBOARDS? OH, MAYBE THAT'S A COMMENT. BUT I MEAN, IT SEEMS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS IS A TRADE OFF BETWEEN A RECYCLING EFFORT AND AND BEING SELF-SUFFICIENT? IS THAT WHAT, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AS WELL? I, I DON'T THINK ANY RECYCLING CENTER IS SELF-SUFFICIENT. THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD BE WITH THE, THE, THE, THE COMMODITY PRICES. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA SAVE MONEY, JUST SEND IT ALL THE LANDFILL. THAT'S CHEAPER IN THE SHORT TERM. BUT, YOU KNOW, ITS, THAT KIND [01:35:01] OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF TRYING TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSCIOUS. YOU JUST BURY EVERYTHING IN LANDFILL. OKAY. KATHY, THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I USE THE RECYCLING CENTER. I SUPPORT THE RECYCLING CENTER. UM, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A, A GREAT SERVICE. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE SERVICES HAVE BEEN BEING REDUCED. I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A REDUCTION IN MATERIALS THAT CAN BE ACCEPTED AND THERE ARE THESE ITEMS OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, ISN'T THAT MORE REASON TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN TO TRY AND PUT A STRATEGIC PLAN TOGETHER THAT DEALS WITH THOSE CHALLENGES? I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M NOT HEARING WHAT I'M, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO UP HERE IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS. UM, WANNA SEE THIS CONTINUE IN THE COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT SERVICE. UM, BUT WHERE, WHERE IS IT JUST GONNA KEEP GOING THAT SERVICES OR COLLECTION ITEMS GET REDUCED AND FUNDING GOES UP? I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE NEED TO GET THOSE ANSWERS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE'RE REQUESTING WOULD HELP TO UNDERSTAND. MAYBE NOT ANSWER AND GIVE YOU THE TOOLS TO, BUT AT, YOU KNOW, BUT AT LEAST ANTICIPATE WHAT'S COMING. SO I'M ASKING IF THERE'S A WILLINGNESS TO PURSUE WHAT'S BEEN A REPEATED REQUEST FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN. THERE WILL, WE'LL WORK ON A PLAN IF YOU WANT ONE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD BE SELF-SUFFICIENT, LESS COMMODITY PRICES. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S ASKING FOR SELF-SUFFICIENCY, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE COMING UP AND THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THOSE TO US. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PLAN TO TRY AND GET TO THAT. AND MY QUESTIONS ALSO WITH THAT ARE, IS THERE A NETWORK OF CENTERS THAT YOU CAN RELY ON AND TALK TO THAT MAYBE WOULD HELP IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A STRATEGIC PLAN? OR LET YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS COMING? DO YOU WORK WITH OTHER RECYCLING CENTERS FOR THAT KIND OF INFORMATION? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RECYCLING CENTER NETWORK THAT LIKE YOU'RE REFERRING TO. OKAY. AND, UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, DOES YAVAPAI COUNTY PROVIDE ANY FUNDING? NO. WE, DOES COCONINO COUNTY PROVIDE ANY FUNDING? NO. AND THAT WAS ALL IN THE INFORMATION WE GAVE THAT, YEAH, I'M JUST GETTING THIS ON THE RECORD HERE. AND YES, WE RECEIVED NO FUNDING FROM ANY, ANY COUNTY AGENCY. THE ONLY MUNICIPAL FUNDING WE GET IS FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA. OKAY. SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP AGAIN, I, I THINK THAT THE REQUEST IS COMING FORWARD FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COME BACK TO THIS COUNCIL, UM, WITHIN THE THREE YEAR CONTRACT PERIOD TO GIVE SOONER THAN LATER TO GIVE US AN UPDATE OF WHERE A STRATEGIC PLAN IS? IF WE MADE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO FULFILL? YEAH, SURE. WE'LL WORK ON A PLAN, BUT I, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANY RECYCLE CENTER IN THE COUNTRY IS SELF-SUFFICIENT. YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN GIVE YOU A WISHLIST OF WHAT WE WANNA DO. YEAH. BUT THAT'S NOT A, I, WE WANT THE WISHLIST. THAT'S GREAT. BUT WE, BUT STRATEGIC PLAN IS NOT THE WISHLIST. I THINK THAT SOME OF IT IS THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET FROM YOU IN A STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET TO TODAY. PERHAPS YOUR LIAISON, WHO IS THE LIAISON TO RECYCLING, JESSICA, JESSICA, JESSICA PERHAPS CAN COMMUNICATE WITH YOU AND HAVE A MORE DETAILED CONVERSATION ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE REQUESTING AND HAVE THAT COME BACK. CAUSE CAUSE I, I MEAN, I, I FEEL I NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION. I, AGAIN, WANNA SUPPORT THIS, UH, COMPLETELY, BUT THERE'S INFORMATION THAT I THINK WE NEED GOING FORWARD THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? SURE. ARE YOU DONE? YES. THANK, THANK YOU MAYOR DOUG, YOU ARE IN A TOUGH SPOT. IT'S TOUGH BUSINESS TO BE IN AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE FEELING SOME PRESSURE TO SORT OF MAKE IT PROFITABLE WHEN IT'S PROBABLY NEVER GONNA BE PROFITABLE. UM, BUT I THINK ONE DIMENSION OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT I THINK PERHAPS SOME OF MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE I KNOW I CERTAINLY THINK ABOUT IS HOW DO WE GET MORE RESIDENTS TO ACTUALLY VISIT, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE AND THEN COMPLY WITH THE, THE, YOU KNOW, CLEANLINESS REQUIREMENTS AND SEPARATION AT, AND ACTUALLY KIND OF GROW THE BUSINESS THAT WAY, FULLY KNOWING THAT IT COULD COST MORE MONEY TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LOSING SIDE. SO I THINK A STRATEGIC PLAN, PLAN DIMENSION SHOULD KIND OF COVER THAT AS WELL. OKAY. THE THING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT RECYCLING IS MOST BUSINESSES, YOUR NET INCOME GOES UP WHEN YOUR VOLUME GOES UP. YEP. THAT'S NOT TRUE IN RECYCLING. YEAH. YEAH. I'M FULLY, FULLY AWARE OF THAT, THAT IF YOU GROW YOUR BUSINESS, IT COULD COST US MORE MONEY, BUT WE'RE STILL DOING [01:40:01] THAT. THAT'S AN FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, LOSE MORE MONEY BASICALLY. AND, UH, RIGHT. BUT, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL COME UP WITH THE STRATEGIC, THE STRATEGIC PLAN IF, IF YOU'D LIKE. BUT, UH, AND YOU KNOW, MAY MAYBE YOUR CONCLUSION OR YOUR PLAN IS THAT WE SHOULD JUST TOTALLY NOT RECYCLE, BUT I WELL, NO, GIVEN WHO YOU ARE AND, AND SORT OF THE ETHICS OF ALL OF US, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE DECISION THAT WE WANNA HEAR. SO, YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY, MELISSA, SORRY, THEY MOVED THE MICS. SO I HAVE TO SHIFT A LITTLE. UM, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT SEDONA, UM, FAR THIS REQUEST, SEDONA IS BASICALLY SUBSIDIZING VERDE VALLEY RECYCLING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN, UM, VILLE, THE PEOPLE IN, UM, THE VILLAGE WHO USED TO HAVE RECYCLING PICKED UP ARE PROBABLY JUST BRINGING THEIR GOODS HERE. SOME ARE RECYCLING, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA REALIZE THAT TOURISTS USE TO DONOR RECYCLES, UH, BUSINESSES USE TO OWN RECYCLES. AND ANYBODY, ANYBODY CAN USE THIS. OKAY? WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO PUTS MATERIAL IN OUR BINS. I I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR SURE. UM, MY QUESTION WAS MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THE GENERAL STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING, WE MIGHT MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT OUR, UM, FELLOW CITIES WITHIN THE VERDE VALLEY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A RECYCLING FACILITY ANYMORE, ARE COMING HERE. WELL, OTHER COMMUNITIES IN VERDE VALLEY HAVE NEVER HAD A RECYCLING CENTER. THERE'S THREE COMPANIES THAT OFFER SOME FORMS OF RECYCLING, WASTE MANAGEMENT, TAILOR WASTE, AND PATRIOT DISPOSAL. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL PRIVATE BUSINESSES OR COMPANIES AND PEOPLE CAN SUBSCRIBE TO THEM. THEY OFFER CURBSIDE RECYCLING, THEY OFFER BUSINESS RECYCLING. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE ONLY RECYCLED CENTER. AND THERE'S, THERE'S BUSINESSES LIKE IN COTTONWOOD AND CAMP VERDE THAT RECYCLE, SAY METALS FOR INSTANCE. OKAY? THOSE ARE PRIVATE BUSINESSES, BUT THERE'S NOBODY, THERE'S NO OTHER RECYCLE CENTER THAT TAKES THE, THE, THE, THE DIVERSITY OF MATERIALS THAT WE TAKE IN, IN FLAG FLAGSTAFF WHEN THEY, THE RECYCLE CENTER CLOSED FLAGSTAFF'S NOW PAYING TO HAUL THEIR RECYCLABLE, THE CITY FLAGSTAFF'S PAYING TO HAUL THEIR RECYCLABLES TO PHOENIX TO A MATERIALS RECOVERY FACILITY DOWN IN PHOENIX. I MEAN, YOU COULD DO THAT IF YOU WANT, IF YOU DON'T WANNA, BUT YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE SUBSIDIZING RECYCLING. MM-HMM. . YEAH. THAT THANK, THANK YOU. BRIAN. ANYTHING, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA ASKED MY QUESTION AT THE ONSET AND WAS RESPONDED TO BY THE CITIZENS WORK GROUP. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. SO LET ME JUST ONE, JUST ONE SECOND. LET NO, LET, LET'S HIM FINISH. UH, SO, BUT JUST TO UNDERSTAND, YOUR BUSINESS MODEL IS AT THE MERCY OF WHAT PEOPLE WILL PAY YOU AND NORMALLY TO BE PAID, IT'S YOU, YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR PRICES. OKAY. OR THEY, YOU KNOW, BUT WELL, WE'RE A FREE SERVICE. WELL, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT YOU, YOU WOULD SELL IT TO, IN AS A COMMODITY TO WHOEVER WANTS IT. RIGHT? WE'LL SELL IT TO WHOEVER'S GONNA PAY US THE HIGHEST PRICE. OKAY. UH, AND YOU HAVE NO CHOICE IN THAT. IF NOBODY WANTS IT, IT SITS. WELL, IF NOBODY WANTS IT, THEN YEAH, IT HAS TO BE, THEN YOU STOP LIKE THE STYROFOAM LANDFILL. THAT'S WHY WE STOPPED STYRO WELLS. WE STOPPED STYROFOAM FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, WE WERE LOSING APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND DOLLARS A WEEK RECYCLING STYROFOAM. AND THE SECOND REASON WAS STYROFOAM IS TOXIC MATERIAL. PEOPLE SHOULDN'T USE IT. AND BY RECYCLING IT, WE'RE JUST ENABLING PEOPLE TO KEEP USING IT BECAUSE THEY THINK, OH, IT'S GETTING RECYCLED. IT'S OKAY IF I USE STYROFOAM. RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN REASONS THAT WE STOPPED IT. IT'S JUST, I, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE, I MEAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M IN YOUR YARD TWICE A WEEK. I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. UH, THE STAFF IS UNSTOPPABLE. I MEAN, THEY JUST GO ON THE, THAT FORKLIFT. UH, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD, YOU'LL NEVER BE PROFITABLE. THAT'S THE NATURE. THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. IT'S, IF WE WANNA RECYCLE, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US. SOMEBODY'S GOTTA PAY FOR IT. SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR IT. AND THE THREE COMPANIES THAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, NOBODY DOES TO THE PERCENTAGE THAT YOU DO, THEY DON'T HAVE THE RECOVERY RATES? WE DO, WE HAVE AT NIGHT. NO, EXACTLY. I MEAN, SUB IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THEIR RECOVERY RATE. CORRECT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO DECIDE, DO WE WANT TO FUND AN EXEMPLARY ORGANIZATION THAT DOES A JOB? OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, IT'S BEYOND HIS CONTROL. SO, UH, BUT DO YOU SEE, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE BY DOING, UH, THE STUDY, UH, THAT [01:45:01] WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO, UH, DO YOU SEE ANY CHANGE LOOKING FOR A PLAN, A PLAN, STRATEGIC PLAN? OKAY. DO YOU SEE ANY, WHAT WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT COULD COME OUT OF THAT, THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE YOUR BUSINESS BOTTLE? UH, WE WOULD RECYCLE ALUMINUM CANS AND THAT'S IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND GLASS BOTTLES, WOULD THAT STAY IN THE MIX OR WOULD THAT GO, YOU KNOW, GLASS IS VERY HEAVY. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE PRICE IS VERY STABLE. IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST STABLE COMMODITY WE RECYCLE. YOU GET ABOUT $15 A TON, BUT, UH, WE HAUL GLASS FROM BUSINESSES. WE HAUL GLASS, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE DROP OFF SITES IN SEDONA. SO WE HAVE TO HAUL IT BACK TO THE RECYCLE CENTER. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S A STABLE COMMODITY, BUT IT'S NOT A MONEY MAKER. I MEAN, NO CARDBOARD. I'VE SEEN PRICES AS HIGH AS $200 A TON. I'VE SEEN PRICES AT $0 A TON. YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO, AND SO IF I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AS A QUESTION, YOUR BUSINESS MODEL MAY CHANGE AND THINGS WOULD END UP, UH, ITEMS, WHETHER IT BE GLASS OR, UH, EVERYTHING BUT METAL MAY END UP INTO THE LANDFILL. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SPECULATIVE WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE, WE RECYCLE THE, THE COMMODITIES THAT ARE MOST EASILY TO FIND VENDORS TO BUY, YOU KNOW, PLASTICS, ONE, TWO, AND FIVE, PAPER, CARDBOARD, GLASS, ALUMINUM, STEEL. THOSE ARE, AND WE ALSO RECYCLE BATTERIES AND PEOPLE PAY TO, TO RECYCLE THE BATTERIES. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE THEY CAN DROP OFF FOR FREE. AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE DROP OFF BATTERIES FOR FREE AFTER HOURS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO OFFER RECYCLING AND, AND, AND HAVE IT BE SELF-SUFFICIENT. RIGHT. UNLESS EVERYBODY JUST GETS VERY GENEROUS AND MAKES DONATIONS EVERY TIME THEY DROP SOMETHING IN A BIN, WHICH WASN'T GONNA HAPPEN. RIGHT. OKAY. I, I RAISE, MA'AM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING YOU TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT. WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU IS TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGY THAT IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE CITY, INCREASING YOUR BUDGET EVERY TIME YOU ARE LOSING MORE MONEY. AND THAT COULD BE FUNDRAISING, THAT COULD BE DO FUNDRAISING ADVERTISING, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, FOR THE TYPES OF, OF, UH, WASTE THAT GENERATES MORE MONEY. I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS YOU COULD THINK ABOUT THAT WOULD STABILIZE THE OPERATION POTENTIALLY. BUT IF YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT IT AND THINK ABOUT IT, WELL, WE, WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, . OKAY. BUT DO YOU HAVE A PLAN? THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO EXCEPT OFFER. I MEAN, WE, WE COULD HAVE FUNDRAISING EVERY WEEK AND BE ABOUT THE ONLY THING YOU COULD DO, IT JUST CONSTANT NONSTOP FUNDRAISING. AND WE, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE, WE RAISED ABOUT $40,000 IF, IF OUR YEAR END FUNDRAISER. AND, BUT THE THING IS, WE, THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO PURCHASE, TO MAINTAIN, TO OPERATE. FUEL EXPENSES ARE HIGH. LABOR'S HIGH. I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THOSE WHOLE LOTS YOU CAN DO PERSONALLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK THAT WE MAKE TONS OF MONEY RECYCLING ALL THIS STUFF. WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THINKS THAT. WE DON'T THINK, WELL, SOME PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE DO. WE, WE DON'T. WE UNDERSTAND. MAYBE YOU DON'T, BUT SOME PEOPLE DO. OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANNA HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY MUNICIPAL RECYCLE CENTER? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SUPPORT IT AND WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN AND WE CAN LAY OUT ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT OUR EXPENSES ARE AND WHERE OUR INCOME IS. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. THAT'S, YEAH. CAN THAT BE DONE BY NEXT YEAR? OR WOULD DOES THE COUNCIL WANT NEXT YEAR OR THREE YEARS? UH, WE HAVE TO DECIDE. UH, BUT CAN, CAN THAT BE DONE? I THINK THE INFORMATION WE PROVIDED TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE THAT WE WENT THROUGH BACK IN APRIL AND MAY, YOU KNOW, SHOWS WHAT, WHAT THE BUSINESS IS, WHAT THE EXPENSES ARE, WHAT THE INCOME, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE IS OVER, OVER THE YEARS. I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE A WHOLE LOT, BUT, BUT, UH, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR A FORMAL STRATEGIC PLAN, WE CAN, YES, WE CAN GIVE YOU SOMETHING IN THE NEXT YEAR, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UM, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA MAKE US SENSE. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE EXPECTING YOU TO BE, BUT JUST, IT, IT LAYS EVERYTHING OUT. AND THIS WAY IT EXPLAINS, ESPECIALLY THE COMMODITIES OF HOW THE PRICES ARE BASICALLY ZERO FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING DOING, AND YOU'RE DOING OKAY. WELL, THE PRICES AREN'T ZERO, BUT, YOU KNOW, TELL US WHAT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUEL PRICES ARE GONNA BE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT FREIGHT PRICES ARE GONNA BE. LABOR'S NOT GONNA GO DOWN. WE KNOW THAT. AND, UH, [01:50:02] UH, DOUG, YEAH, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. UH, JUST WHEN YOUR TRUCK GOES DOWN, THAT'S AN EXPENSE. DID THAT PUT YOU IN A WORSE SITUATION? YEAH. OUR, OUR BIG FRONT LOADER TRUCK DIED A LITTLE OVER. SO, AND, AND WE BOUGHT A NEW ONE AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, $290,000. WE JUST BOUGHT A NEW LOADER, WELL, NOT A NEW LOADER, NEW TO US A USED LOADER. UH, IT'S ABOUT 30 YEARS OLD, THE FRONT END LOADER TO MOVE GLASS. AND IT COSTS, I THINK $34,000. THE EQUIPMENT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. UM, LABOR'S EXPENSIVE. AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA DO THIS JOB FOR, YOU KNOW, A VOLUNTEERING 12 BUCKS AN HOUR. YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA PAY A DECENT WAGER. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYBODY DOING IT. WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HANDLING WHAT MOST PEOPLE CALL GARBAGE, YOU KNOW, AND WE GET EVERYTHING IMAGINABLE THROWN IN OUR BINS THAT WE HAVE TO PULL OUT. WE HAVE TO PAY WASTE MANAGEMENT TO HAUL TRASH. THE LANDFILL, WE GET ABOUT 25 CUBIC YARDS OF TRASH A WEEK. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE FREE BINS SITTING OUT THERE. YOU CAN THROW ANYTHING YOU WANT INTO IT. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP YOU. AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS. I'M NOT SAYING PEOPLE ARE BAD, BUT, UH, PEOPLE DON'T READ SIGNS. WE GET TONS OF PLASTIC THAT WE CAN'T RECYCLE. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST, UH, NON-RECYCLABLE TRASH ITEM WE GET. BUT, UH, THANK YOU DOUG. WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY BRING YOU BACK UP FOR COMMENTS, BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. AND THEN PHILIPPE, YOU, YOU WANT TO, UH, SPEAK FOR FROM THE COMMITTEE, RIGHT? FIRST PART OF THE COMMITTEE? UH, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS ALSO DEFINED WHAT WE RECYCLE. WE RECYCLE LESS THAN 10% OF WHAT IS RECYCLABLE IN SEDONA. AND, UH, THEIR CAPACITY, UH, I OFFERED TO GIVE THEM MY CARDBOARD, MY BOTTLE AND EVERYTHING. OH, WE CANNOT TAKE ANYMORE. WE ALREADY A CAPACITY. SO THEY HAVE AT 10% THEIR CAPACITY, AND THERE'S NO MORE THEY CAN INCREASE TO RECYCLE IN SEDONA. THE OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, WE, WE SHOULD REVISIT AND THE, THE COUNCIL SHOULD REVISIT. WE HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING TO GO THERE, A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVING BACK AND FORTH. UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CARBON FOOTPRINT, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE FOR PEOPLE. THEY HAVE A FULL CAR. SOME PEOPLE HAVE TWO PIECE OF CARDBOARD IN A, IN A CAR. I LIVE CLOSE TO THAT. I SEE IT. AND IT'S, IT'S A VERY GOOD SOCIAL PLACE. UH, WE, THEY, THEIR BUDGET IS ABOUT 500,000 AND THEY SPEND, THEY ASK YOU FOR 250, THAT'S WHAT THEY LOSE. THE OTHER THINGS, UH, THE COUNCIL SORT REVISITED, UH, WHO'S GOING TO PICK UP THE GARBAGE IN THIS TOWN? WE HAVE THREE, THREE TRUCKS FOR EVERY STREET JUST ABOUT WHO DEMOLISH THE ROADS. CAUSE A LOT OF POLLUTION. AND WE SHOULD PUT TO BID, LIKE WE DO IN EVERY, EVERY COUNTY PUT TO BID TO ONE COMPANY TO PICK UP THE GARBAGE. WE WOULD'VE ONE TRUCK, A LOT OF LESS TRAFFIC, A LOT OF LESS BREAKING THE ROADS AND SO FORTH. AND, UH, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE RECYCLE IF THESE PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO FORCE THEM. YOU CAN HAVE THE, YOU CAN HAVE THE JOB, BUT YOU HAVE TO RECYCLE FOR US. YOU HAVE TO RECYCLE THE CARDBOARD AND EVERYTHING. WE CAN HAVE BIN FOR THEM AND UH, INSTEAD TO HAVE OUR OWN RECYCLE, WHICH I THINK MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT THIS POINT. THE COST IS SO PROHIBIT. SO IF WE LOSE $250,000 RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE FROM THE CITY, IF WE WOULD RECYCLE, A HUNDRED PERCENT WOULD BE TWO AND A HALF MILLION. AND, UH, THAT'S A HUGE BUDGET. AND, UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY PLACE TO DO IT BECAUSE THESE THINGS IS LIMITED IN SPACE AND WE WOULD NEED SO MANY WORKERS TO DO IT, ESPECIALLY WHAT, UH, THE, THE, THE STORY DOES. SO IF, IF THEY ARRIVE TO A REAL SYSTEM WHERE THEY CAN BE PROFITABLE AND, UH, THEY ARE, UH, RECYCLABLE PLACES IN THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY MAKE MONEY AND UH, EVEN HE SAID THEY DON'T, I CAN SHOW YOU EXAMPLE OF IT. THANK YOU FLIPPING. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SEE ANY OF THE OTHER, UH, ORGANIZATIONS? OKAY. SO WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE PUBLIC. I HAVE FOUR CARDS. IF ANYBODY WISHES TO, UH, SPEAK ABOUT THIS TOPIC, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD TO OPEN THE TABLE. WE HAVE MORE. OH, I HAVE, SHE ALREADY FILLED OUT ONE, BUT SHE WANTS TO SPEAK THIS AS WELL. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO SHE, SHE ALREADY HAS A CARD DONE. I THINK SO, YEAH. YEP. SO, ALRIGHT. OKAY. OH, I SEE. [01:55:02] UM, OKAY, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. SO LET'S, UM, AGAIN, OP OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR WE HAVE A DR, UM, UH, BOCH BORK BORK. DR. BORK CLOSING OFF. I TRY THAT NEW YORK ACCENT OF MINE. GREETINGS ALL. UH, YEAH, BEFORE YOU BEGIN, YOU, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. UH, THE LIGHTS ARE OFF TO YOUR RIGHT ON THE, THE, UH, COUNTER THERE. PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOUR HONOR, GREETING TO THE MAYOR, THE VICE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS KEN BORK. I'M FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA AND MY PLAN IS TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE VALUE OF LIBRARIES AND WHY WE SHOULD APPRECIATE OUR GEM OF OUR PARTICULAR LIBRARY. MY STORY STARTS 77 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS SIX YEARS OLD, AND OUR FIRST GRADE CLASS WAS INTRODUCED TO LIBRARIES AND I WAS HOOKED. I GREW UP IN WASHINGTON, DC AREA AND WE HAD SUPERIOR LIBRARIES IN THE SCHOOL AND IN THE COMMUNITIES. I THEN WENT ON TO COLLEGE. THE CRITICAL ISSUE WAS A GOOD LIBRARY. I WENT TO GRADUATE SCHOOL. LIBRARIES WERE CRITICAL. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT WHEN I WAS A PROFESSOR AND A RESEARCHER, I USED LIBRARIES ALL AROUND THE WORLD, INCLUDING LONDON AND PARIS. LIBRARIES ARE INVALUABLE IN THE YEAR 2000. KAY AND I STARTED COMING TO SEDONA ANNUALLY AND WE REALIZED HOW GOOD THE LIBRARY WAS. WE MOVED HERE 10 YEARS AGO AND WE REALIZED THE LIBRARY WAS A GEM. THE COLLECTION OF MAGAZINES AND BOOKS WAS REALLY SPECTACULAR. NOW I AM A PALEONTOLOGIST. SO I BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THINGS CHANGE. YOU MADE THAT I HAVE SEEN REALLY VALUABLE CHANGES IN THE LIBRARY SYSTEM. FOR EXAMPLE, COMPUTERS. THE LIBRARY HAS GENERATED A BANK OF COMPUTERS. THE LIBBY SYSTEM ALLOWS PEOPLE TO BE AT HOME AND TO GET LIBRARY BOOKS ELECTRONICALLY. THE LIBRARY IS RESPONDING. IT IS ALSO EVOLVING. AS FAR AS THE VISION, YOU CAN'T SEE IT. SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT BEAUTIFUL COURTYARD WAS BUILT AND DEDICATED IN NOVEMBER, 2022. AND THE GROUP, THE STAFF IS STILL LOOKING AT THINGS TO LOOK AT INTERNALLY, UH, AS FAR AS THE BUILDING ITSELF IS CONCERNED AND ITS OWN EVOLUTION. TWO WEEKS AGO I READ THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY NEWSLETTER AND I WAS DAZZLED BY WHAT THEY ARE OFFERING. MONDAY NIGHT MOVIES A BOOK CLUB ACTION FOR LITTLE KIDS. THE SIDE BURCH ROOM IS A LARGE ROOM. IT WELCOMES CLUBS AND ORGANIZATIONS AND WE HAVE A SPECTACULAR GROUP OF GUEST SPEAKERS. SO THE POINT IS, WE HAVE A GYM. HERE'S THE PUNCHLINE FOR YOU ALL. EXCELLENCE REQUIRES SUPPORT. SO MY SIMPLE REQUEST IS THAT YOU THINK OF OUR LIBRARY AS A TRUE GEM. AND REMEMBER, GEMS NEED MAINTENANCE FOR THEIR OWN VALUE AND ALLURE. THANK YOU DR. BORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET SEE RIGHT THERE. OKAY, UH, NEXT IS ERNIE STRAU BE FOLLOWED BY LAURA RAM RAMEN. IS LAURA HERE? OKAY, YOU'LL BE NEXT. . GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR JAB, VICE MAYOR PLU AND COUNSELORS. I'M ERNIE STRAU AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. I APPEAR BEFORE YOU TODAY TO BEG YOU TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST FOR A 50% FUNDING OF THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY. WHY THIS IS A VERY PERSONAL ISSUE FOR ME. WHEN I RAN FOR COUNCIL IN 2002, ONE OF MY CAMPAIGN PROMISES WAS TO STOP THE REDUCTION IN COUNCIL'S LIBRARY FUNDING AND INSTEAD TO INCREASE IT. I KEPT THAT PROMISE AND SERVED FOUR YEARS ON THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES, CONCURRENT WITH MY FOUR YEARS ON CITY COUNCIL. [02:00:01] DURING THAT PERIOD IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WITH SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL COUNCIL FUNDING, THE LIBRARY ON DIRECTOR DAVE KEEVER LEADER LEADERSHIP WAS ABLE TO STAY OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FACILITATING THE ABILITY OF ALL HARDWORKING PEOPLE, INCLUDING THOSE HOLDING TWO JOBS AND MANY IN THE SPANISH AMERICAN COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE A PUBLIC LIBRARY FOR CONTINUING EDUCATION AND PUBLIC EVENTS. THE SEVEN DAY A WEEK LIBRARY WAS NOT ABLE TO CONTINUE SHORTLY THEREAFTER. THAT THAT DOESN'T HURT US WELL OFF RETIRED FOLK, ONLY THOSE LESS FORTUNATE. I HOPE THAT YOU WILL ADD THAT THOUGHT TO YOUR CONSIDERATION. IN 1968, THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER AT THE GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONIES OF THE ORIGINAL LIBRARY, SENATOR BARRY GOLDWATER, SAID, A COMMUNITY WITHOUT A LIBRARY IS A COMMUNITY WITHOUT CULTURE AND WITHOUT THE BACKUP NEEDED BY LOCAL EDUCATION, THAT SHOULD NOT BE A DEBATABLE STATEMENT. AND WE SHOULD NOTE THAT A CLOSED LIBRARY MAY AS WELL NOT BE THERE FOR ITS ENTIRE EXISTENCE. THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS HAD AN ALMOST INCONCEIVABLE BARGAIN FUNDING. ONLY ABOUT 36% OF OUR LIBRARY VERSUS MOST OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTRY FUNDING 85 TO 90% OF OPERATING COSTS AS YOU'VE HEARD. BUT IT IS TIME TO BRING THE 30 YEAR OLD LIBRARY INTO THE 21ST CENTURY BECAUSE DEFERRING MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES, WHETHER BRIDGES, ROADS, OR LIBRARIES, RESULTS IN MULTIPLES OF INCREASED FUTURE COSTS. I IMPLORE YOU TO LISTEN TO AND COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST OF LIBRARY DIRECTOR JUDY POE AS FURTHER WELL EXPLORED AND RECOMMENDED BY YOUR CITY MANAGER, KAREN OSBORNE. THANK YOU. I'M CONFIDENT YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU, RONNIE. I APPRECIATE THAT LAURA. AND THEN, UH, PEGGY SHAKEN, BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE ISSUE WITH PEGGY'S CARD, SO WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. LAURA, YOUR NAME? CITY OF RESIDENCE. AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THE LIGHTS ARE ON THE SHELF. THANK YOU. LAURA RUMAN, CITY OF SEDONA. UM, THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THE LIBRARY IS TO ME. I AM A 40 PLUS YEAR RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I REMEMBER THAT EARLY LIBRARY ON JORDAN ROAD AND I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO KEEP THE LIBRARY AND TO HELP IT. WE ARE SO LUCKY THAT IT HAS BEEN REALLY SELF-SUPPORTING THROUGH ITS OWN CONTRIBUTIONS FOR MANY YEARS PRIOR TO US EVEN BECOMING A CITY. BUT WE ARE A CITY NOW AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE MONEY FOR THE CHAMBER AND THE TOURISTS IN THIS TOWN AND THEIR COMFORT, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE LIBRARY. I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT IN SUPPORT OF THIS FUNDING AND A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND ERNIE'S STATEMENTS. AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU LAURA. OKAY. PEGGY, YOU HAVE TWO CARDS FOR THE SAME ITEM. SO YOU CAN ONLY USE, BECAUSE IT'S, I KNOW AGENDA ITEM WE CAN ALL USE. I, I'M PEGGY CHAKIN AND I LIVE IN SEDONA AND I JUST GOT EMOTIONAL OVER THE RECYCLING. I GET. SO I JUST WANNA SAY TWO LINES FOR THE RECYCLING AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT THE LIBRARY. YOUR CHOICE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES RECYCLING IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS A LOSS LEADER, BUT IT'S ALSO NEEDS TO BE A BIG COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AND WE ALL NEED TO RE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR TRASH. THAT'S IT. OKAY. OKAY. THIS WAS, UM, I THANK THE CITIZENS GROUP FOR STUDYING THE LIBRARY'S REQUEST FOR INCREASED FUNDING. HOWEVER, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE RECOMMENDED INCREASE IN FUNDING SET FORTH BY OUR TOWN MANAGER. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THE LIBRARY LOBBY IN THE LIBRARY LIBRARY OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS PREPARING THE STEP TWO LENDING LIBRARY, UH, COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE LIBRARY AND NORTHERN ARIZONA CLIMATE CHANGE ALLIANCE TO LOAN TOOLS. I'VE SEEN THAT OUR LIBRARY SERVES AS A SOCIAL HUB FOR CROSS-CULTURAL AND INTERGENERATIONAL SERVICES. THE NEED FOR THESE QUALITY OF LIFE SERVICES HAS GROWN SINCE THE PANDEMIC, WHICH ISOLATED MANY RESIDENTS. ALSO ISOLATING [02:05:01] FOR OUR RESIDENTS IS THE INCREASE IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHICH HAVE INCREASED HOUSING COSTS AND FORCED MANY FROM THEIR RENTAL HOMES INTO SHARED HOUSES AND EVEN RVS. SOME RESIDENTS WORK FROM HOMES WHICH PROVIDES SMALLER LIVING AND PERSONAL SPACE. THE ELDERLY AND CHILDREN ALSO NEED WELL-MAINTAINED PLACES TO GATHER AND FLEX THEIR LEARNING MUSCLES. OUR LIBRARY, A LOT, A NONPROFIT SUPPORTED BY PRIVATE DONATIONS, CITY AND COUNTY FUNDS, PROVIDES AN ARRAY OF SERVICES IN A BUILDING IN NEED OF MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. WE KNOW THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE COSTS MORE THAN THE, THE LONGER IT'S PUT OFF. THE LIBRARY WILL SAVE MONEY BY RETROFITTING ITS FACILITY TO MEET NEW ENERGY NEEDS AND EFFICIENCY STANDARDS. ANOTHER POINT BROUGHT UP BY THE CITIZEN GROUP THAT I FEEL DOESN'T HIT THE MARK IS IN TODAY'S WORLD IS THAT BOOKS AND PERIODICAL RENTALS SHOULD NOT BE THE YARDSTICK TO MEASURE OUR LIBRARY'S REACH INTO THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. WITH INCREASED CITY SUPPORT, THE LIBRARY WILL ACCOMPLISH MUCH MORE FOR SEDONA RESIDENTS BY PROVIDING HEALTHY COOLED MEETING ROOMS, THE LENDING OF COMPUTER NOTEBOOKS, MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS, TOOLS FOR LEARNING AND SELF-IMPROVEMENT. MOST OF ALL, OUR LIBRARY IS BUILDING A STRONGER AND MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY AS WE FACE THE CHALLENGES OF NEW TECHNOLOGY, HOUSING ISSUES, AND A WARMER CITY. THESE CHALLENGES CAN FURTHER ISOLATE US, BUT OUR LIBRARY IS BRINGING US TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PEGGY. NEXT UP AND LAST WILL BE LAURA LYNN. IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD. UH, NOW I APPRECIATE THAT AND THE CARDS ARE UP ON THE TABLE. OKAY, LAURA, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES AND START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. OKAY. HELLO, MY NAME IS LAURA LYNN. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SEDONA FOR SEVEN YEARS AND MY HUSBAND HAS LIVED HERE NEARLY 20 YEARS. HE'S THE EDITOR OF SEDONA RED ROCK NEWS AND I AM CURRENTLY EMPLOYED BY THE LOCAL SNAP FITNESS, MY MOM TO THREE, TWO LOUDER. YEP. I AM MOM TO THREE CHILDREN, ONE YEAR OLD TWINS TI AND THE NEWLY MINTED FIVE YEAR OLD ATHENA, WHO IS STARTING KINDERGARTEN IN THIS FALL AT WEST SEDONA ELEMENTARY. NEEDLESS TO SAY, WITH THREE CHILDREN, FIVE AND UNDER, WE ARE FREQUENT VISITORS AT SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY. WE LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE AND OUR VISITS ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF OUR WEEK. MS. VIVIAN, MS. MARSHA, AND COUNTLESS OTHER LIBRARY STAFF HAD CREATED A WONDERFULLY RICH LEARNING ENVIRONMENT FOR THE CHILDREN OF OUR AREA. FROM TODDLER LEARNING AND PLAY DAYS, STORY TIMES AT THE PARK, MUSIC MORNINGS, DRUMMING SPECIAL EVENTS, CRAFTS, STEAM KITS, AND LIBRARY SCAVENGER HUNTS. I TRULY FEEL MY CHILDREN ARE NOURISHED BY THESE VISITS AND THE WELCOMING STAFF MAKES US FEEL A PART OF AN EXTENDED FAMILY AND CONNECTED TO THE OTHER FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN IN THE AREA AS WELL. MY HUSBAND HAS ALSO BEEN INVOLVED IN MORE THAN ONE EVENT HELD WITHIN THE COMMUNITY SPACE OF THE LIBRARY. HE HAS LECTURED ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND PERFORMED SEVERAL POETRY READINGS OVER THE YEARS. I MYSELF, APART FROM BRINGING THE KIDS TO YOUTH EVENTS, HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE LIBRARY'S RESOURCES, CREATING RESUMES AND COMPLETING APPLICATIONS WHILE IN THE MIDST OF JOB HUNTING, RESEARCHING A FAVORITE TOPIC OR HUNTING DOWN THAT FAVORITE BOOK OF POETRY I DISCOVERED YEARS PRIOR WISHING TO REDISCOVER ITS MAGIC AFTER SOME TIME HAS PASSED AND A LITTLE MORE WISDOM HAS BEEN GAINED. THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY IS MORE THAN A LIBRARY. IT IS A CENTRAL FIGURE IN WHICH OUR COMMUNITY REVOLVES AROUND. THERE IS NO REC CENTER IN WHICH WE CAN SEEK RESOURCES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND THE LIBRARY HAS STEPPED UP AND TAKEN ON THE CHALLENGE OF FILLING THIS NEED AND SO MUCH MORE AMONG THE GROWING COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING SUCH AN ESTABLISHMENT AND ALL THOSE WHO BETTER OUR CITY WITH THEIR TIME AND THEIR ATTENTION TO ITS PEOPLE, SUPPORT OUR LIBRARY AND SUPPORT US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LAURA. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE HAVE TWO MORE CARDS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE END. WE'LL SEE. NEXT UP WOULD BE, UH, KRISTEN EATON. WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MR. JOHN MARTINEZ. MY NAME'S CHRISTIAN EATON AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. AND UH, YOU KNOW, I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE LIBRARY THING. UM, NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR REASON OTHER THAN I GO THERE AND I THINK, WOW, THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLACE ALREADY. I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC PLACE, OFFERS GREAT SERVICES. UM, BUT THEN I HEAR THEM SPEAK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE VISION FOR IT AND THE SERVICES THAT THEY WANT TO PROVIDE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, BEING A CITIZEN HERE FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS, [02:10:01] I THINK THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LACK OF CULTURAL, UM, GATHERING PLACES HERE IN TOWN. UM, SO I LOVE HEARING THAT VISION. AT THE SAME TOKEN, UM, ALSO BEING IN THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP COMMITTEE, I THINK ONE THING THAT WE WANTED, UM, TO BE, TO BRING TO AWARENESS AND TO THINK ABOUT WAS, UH, THE FIRST WAS, UM, BRINGING, ESSENTIALLY CHANGING FUNDS. UM, WHERE A LOT OF THE FUNDING COMES FROM DONATIONS CURRENTLY. AND THEY'RE WANTING TO ROLL THE DONATIONS INTO, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SEXY BUILD PROJECT, WHICH IS SEXY CAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING THIS REALLY NICE COOL THING. UM, AND SO, BUT WHAT HAPPENS THEN WHEN WE HAVE THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE OPERATING COSTS, WHICH ARE OF COURSE GOING TO BE, UH, GREATLY INCREASED FROM WHAT THEY ARE TODAY. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS A CITY, IF WE DO CHOOSE TO GO FORWARD WITH IT, THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO TAKE ON THOSE OPERATING COSTS THAT ARE GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER IN THE FUTURE. UM, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THAT I WANTED TO OFFER DOUG, UM, MY ASSISTANCE AND VOLUNTEER, UH, TO, TO HELP WITH THE, THE, UM, THE, UH, RECYCLING CENTER AND, UH, THEIR BUSINESS PLAN. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OFFERING THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT, JOHN, I KNOW YOU KNOW THE DRILL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNSEL. MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINEZ AND AS BEFORE I LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE RECYCLING CENTER. I DO KNOW THAT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE REALLY EMBRACE THE WHOLE THOUGHT AND PROCESS ABOUT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. THE CITY HAS SPENT AND IS PLAN TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL. I THINK IT WAS 50% BY 2030. THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT IS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EMBRACE THE, THE NEEDS OF THE RECYCLING CENTER. SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT. YEAH, WE CAN DO A STRATEGIC PLANNING. I WOULD LOVE IT TO HAVE ONE OF YOU STEP UP AND ASSIST WITH THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO PUT TOGETHER WHEN YOU'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE. AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THAT, YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU WANT ANSWERED AND WE REALLY DON'T KNOW. SO PLEASE, SOMEONE STEPPED UP FROM THE, THE COUNCIL TO ASSIST WITH THAT. NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE LIBRARY, AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, I AM A TRUSTEE FOR THE LIBRARY AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED ALONG WITH JESSICA FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. BACK IN VIRGINIA WAS THE DIRECTOR. WE NOW HAVE THIS EXCELLENT DIRECTOR, JUDY POE. SHE HAS GOT A VISION, IF YOU WANNA STRATEGIC THE PLAN. THAT'S THE PERSON TO TALK TO. BUT IT'S A 30 YEAR OLD BUILDING, JUST LIKE A LOT OF THINGS HERE. THINGS WEAR OUT WE NEED, AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE WITH MY HOME, IT SEEMED LIKE AS SOON AS I HIT THE 15 YEAR, THINGS JUST STARTED FALLING APART. I FOUR ITEMS BROKE AND IT COST QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING WITH THE LIBRARY. THEY NEED REPAIR, NEED ADDRESSING, AND IT'S HAPPENING TO THIS YEAR. ALSO, WITH REGARDS TO THE VISION IS THAT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT ERNIE HAD MEG MENTIONED AND IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT, IS THE, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I KNOW, I KNOW OUR SUPERVISOR FROM YAVAPAI COUNTY THINKS THIS WAY. IT'S JUST BOOKS. WE JUST NEED BOOKS. THE PEOPLE ARE GOING AWAY FROM BOOKS. AND THAT IS A REALLY DUMB THOUGHT PROCESS TO HAVE. AND THERE'S A FAMOUS SAYING, AND THAT REALLY EMBRACED ME WITH THAT GOT ME TO THE COMMUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THE BOARD AS SOMETHING THAT GOES LIKE THIS. BAD LIBRARIES BUILD COLLECTIONS. THAT'S WHAT OUR SUPERVISOR THINKS. COLLECTORS JUST BOOKS, MAGAZINES, GOOD LIBRARIES, BUILD SERVICES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO. LIKE THEY WERE SAYING SPANISH AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND IT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON EARLIER, GREAT LIBRARIES, GREAT LIBRARIES, BUILD COMMUNITIES. AND THAT IS WHAT OUR LIBRARY IS TRYING TO DO TO MAKE IT BETTER THAN THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE PROVIDING NOW. SO PLEASE GO WITH WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAYS AND FUND THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JOHN. NO, YOU CAN, WE'RE ALLOWING THAT NOW. IT'S OKAY. OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL AND, UM, YOU WANNA START ON THIS SIDE? START WITH KATHY. KATHY, GO AHEAD. OH, [02:15:01] OKAY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THIS IS ONE OF THE REALLY IMPORTANT I, EVERYTHING WE DO IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT? BUT THE SERVICE CONTRACTS AND THE REVIEW OF THAT AND THE FUNDING THAT GOES OUT, IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING THAT THE COUNCIL DOES BECAUSE WE RELY ON THESE SERVICE PROVIDERS TO GIVE SUPPLY THE FUNCTIONS THAT PEOPLE LOOK TO GOVERNMENT GENERALLY TO SUPPLY, TO SUPPORT. IT'S JUST VITAL TO THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE VARIETY OF THESE FROM THE, FROM THE MAINE SOCIETY TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. I MEAN, JUST THE VARIETY OF FUNCTIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED THROUGH THESE SERVICE CONTRACTS IS WHAT MAKES SEDONA SEDONA. UM, IT, IT'S JUST, CAN'T RESTATE THAT WHY WE TAKE THIS SO SERIOUSLY AND IF PEOPLE FEEL THAT IT WENT ON SO LONG, IT'S BECAUSE THESE THINGS REALLY MATTER TO THE DAILY HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY. UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE DID. I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE REVIEW. I WANNA THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU PUT IN. I REALLY ALSO WANNA THANK THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SHE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND AS WELL, UH, AND PUT IN EXTRA TIME ON DOING EXTRA RESEARCH TO HELP HELP US COME TO SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. IS THAT BLOWING ON THE YEAH, IT'S ON THE MIC. OKAY. SORRY. UM, LITTLE FAN THAT GOT UP HERE. UM, SO I, THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE THAT HELPED PUT INTO CONTEXT. I WANTED TO THANK, UM, JUDY POE FOR REACHING OUT AND GIVING INFORMATION. I HAVE TO JUST SAY THE LIBRARY IS THE HEART OF SEDONA. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE MAYBE CENTER OR HAVE OTHER FUNCTIONS, BUT THE HEART WHERE PEOPLE GO OF ALL DIFFERENT ILK OF ALL DIFFERENT NEEDS. UM, IT'S REALLY THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY. IT'S, I'M LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT ADVERB. I THINK IT'S INFURIATING TO ME THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT RETURNING THE TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE PAID IN SPECIFICALLY FOR SUPPORTIVE LIBRARY. I, I JUST, I FEEL THAT ANGER AS A, ON BEHALF OF THE CONSTITUENTS, I FEEL IT AS A TAXPAYER MYSELF. I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY, I'M SO DISAPPOINTED THAT OUR, UH, REPRESENTATIVE IS NOT ADVOCATING FOR THE CITIZENS OF SEDONA, HER CONSTITUENTS. AND THAT IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTING CUTS TO THIS VITAL SERVICE. AGAIN, I, I SUPPORT THE FUNDING THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY MANAGER IN THIS PACKET. THE 50% FUNDING. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK THERE WOULD BE AN EXPECTATION FOR SERVICES IF THE LIBRARY WAS UNABLE TO PROVIDE SOME OF THEM, THAT THEY WOULD FALL TO A CITY BECAUSE MANY MUNICIPALITIES DO PROVIDE LIBRARY SERVICES. SO THIS IS A REALLY WONDERFUL ARRANGEMENT THAT WE HAVE, AS I STARTED WITH MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE SERVICE CONTRACTS THAT WE RELY ON. SO I DO SUPPORT THE FUNDING LEVEL THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS RECOMMENDED REGARDING THE RECYCLING CENTER. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE AMOUNT THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED AT ALL. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IN CASE, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS WENT ASTRAY THERE. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR HERE IS, IS THAT I WANT TO SUPPORT RECYCLING. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP SUPPORTING RECYCLING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS CITY SUPPORT THE RECYCLING CENTER AGAIN, AS A SERVICE PROVIDED HERE. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THAT ONGOING AND WITHOUT, FOR A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHALLENGES, WHICH IS WHAT I'M HOPING A STRATEGIC PLAN WILL GET TO, IS UNDERSTANDING THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE COMING AHEAD. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY CAN BE IDENTIFIED. THIS ISN'T THAT WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR INFORMATION THAT'S NOT OUT THERE. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANTICIPATION SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT FUNDING LEVELS WE MAY NEED TO HAVE TO ANTICIPATE IN THE FUTURE. THE POINT IS TO IMPROVE RECYCLING SERVICES, NOT CUT RECYCLING SERVICES. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS WAS GOING TO. SO I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR THAT I FULLY SUPPORT THAT. I ALSO SUPPORT THE THREE YEARS, UM, FOR THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IF WE ONLY, IF WE ONLY DID FUNDING ONE YEAR AT A TIME FOR THAT, THAT IT WOULD UNDERMINE THE ABILITY TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN AND, AND TO IMPROVE THINGS GOING FORWARD. SO, BUT I DO WANNA SEE A STRATEGIC PLAN COME OUT OF THAT BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THAT'S LACKING. I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THE LIBRARY AND I LOOK AT THE, THE, UM, UM, THIS HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND I LOOK AT THE LIBRARY AND ALL THESE PLACES, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLANS THAT ARE LAID OUT BETTER ABOUT WHAT TO ANTICIPATE COMING FORWARD IN TERMS OF CHALLENGES AND WHAT TO ANTICIPATE IN TERMS OF FUNDING SOURCES THAT COULD BE FACTORED IN. [02:20:01] SO I'M LOOKING FOR THAT SAME LEVEL FROM THE RECYCLING CENTER BECAUSE I SUPPORT THE RECYCLING CENTER. SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, AGAIN, JUST CLEARLY I SUPPORT THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THREE YEAR CONTRACTS AT THE FUNDING LEVELS THAT ARE IN OUR PACKET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KATHY. PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR KINSELLA. I THINK THOSE COMMENTS WERE GOOD, THOROUGH, MANY OF THEM I WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE'S WORK AND GOING THROUGH THESE AND STAFF'S WORK AND, AND CHASE AND ALL THIS STUFF. THE ONE PHILOSOPHICAL POINT COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS WITH INCREASED FUNDING COMES INCREASED, UH, SCRUTINY. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE HAVE, UH, THREE OF OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT ARE NOW RECEIVING 50% OF THEIR, OR MORE OF THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES THROUGH CITI. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S FINE. BUT I THINK WITH JUST THAT INCREASED SPENDING COMES INCREASED SCRUTINY. AND I KNOW IN EACH OF YOUR CONTRACTS YOU HAVE SOME REPORTING REQUIREMENTS. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, A A COUPLE OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THAT. I THINK ALL OF US NEED TO REMIND OURSELVES MOVING FORWARD THAT THAT REQUIREMENT IS THERE. AND, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT INFORMATION REALLY REPORTED ON OUR CITY WEBSITE IN A VERY ACCESSIBLE SPOT FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS TO SEE SO THEY CAN LOOK AT THIS VALUE. WE'RE AT A VERY FORTUNATE SPOT. THIS COMMUNITY HAS MONEY THANKS TO OUR VISITOR LOAD, AND WE GET TO SPEND MONEY ON THESE KIND OF SERVICES FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS. BOTH, UH, BOTH, UH, CATEGORIES, GO TO AND USE, USE THESE MANY OF THESE SERVICES. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT DEFINES US AS A COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING. SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATIONS. APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THAT WENT IN THERE. UM, ONE TECHNICAL POINT, AND I THINK, UH, MANAGER THAT YOU CONFIRMED THAT IN THE RECYCLE CONTRACT WAS THE WORDS, UH, STYROFOAM RECYCLING. SO THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE STRUCK. CAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S NOT HAPPENING MOVING FORWARD. AND I APPRECIATE THE DEDICATION AND THE WORK THAT ALL OF OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS, UH, PROVIDE. BUT, YOU KNOW, EXPECT TO SEE THIS COUNCIL IS, UH, IS MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION OF, OF WANTING TO UNDERSTAND PERFORMANCE IN A DEEPER SENSE AND PROVIDE THAT DATA TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE EXPECT THAT FOR THESE CONTRACTS AS WELL. THANK YOU, JESSICA. YOU KNOW, RECYCLING IS ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SUBSIDIZED. THAT'S THE NATURE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM. GOVERNMENT DOESN'T FUND THINGS THAT OR SHOULDN'T FUND THINGS THAT PRIVATE INDUSTRY WANTS TO DO. WE HAVE A LOT OF RECYCLERS IN THE COUNTRY THAT MAKE MONEY BECAUSE THEY ONLY RECYCLE THE STUFF THAT MARKET WILL PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR. I THINK DOUG SAID SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT, WHICH IS THE PRODUCTS THAT HE RECYCLES AT THIS RECYCLE CENTER ARE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS AND NASAS, UM, NOT THE THINGS NECESSARILY THAT, THAT BRING IN THE MOST MONEY. THAT'S, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA COST MORE MONEY. AND TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON THIS. EVERY, EVERY SINGLE, EVERY SINGLE CONTRACT FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE GETS MORE MONEY EVERY YEAR. THE THE RECYCLING CONTRACT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TELLING THE, UH, COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY CENTER THAT THEY HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO NOT WANT MORE MONEY EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE SUBSIDIZED TOO. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE NATURE OF THESE CONTRACTS THAT THEY REQUIRE BEING SUBSIDIZED. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A STRATEGIC PLAN SO THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSTRAINTS AND OF THE BUSINESS PRACTICES THAT THAT, THAT ARE INHERENT IN RECYCLING PROJ, UH, PROGRAM. BUT I JUST TO EXPECT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS STARTED, THE RECYCLING CENTER WAS STARTED TO PROVIDE RECYCLING SERVICES TO SEDONA. IT'S NEVER EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF POSSIBLE RECYCLING IN SEDONA. IT'S A COMMUNITY FACILITY, AND IT'S GOT LIMITATIONS BOTH AT SPACE, AND IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT CONSTRAINTS AND IT, IT CAN'T DO MORE THAN IT CAN DO. UM, UH, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, [02:25:02] BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS COMMUNITY, WHAT THE RECYCLE CENTER DOES ISN'T SEXY. WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK DOUG HAS PEOPLE BEATING DOWN THE DOORS TO, TO HELP OUT IN THE RECYCLING CENTER. UM, IT'S NOT AS MUCH FUN AS WALKING A DOGGY OR FOSTERING A KITTY CAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT ANIMALS, IT'S NOT CHILDREN. IT'S GARBAGE. UM, AND I THINK TO, TO EXPECT, I I, I THINK MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE RECYCLE CENTER PEOPLE IS THAT THEY ARE INCREDIBLY, DEEPLY, PERSONALLY DEDICATED TO WHAT THEY DO. THEY AREN'T FUNDRAISERS AT HEART. THEY'RE NOT PR PEOPLE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEALING WITH RECYCLING GARBAGE, THAT ARCANE BUSINESS. AND SO I THINK TO SOME EXTENT, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS OF OUR PROVIDERS. WE'RE NOT RFP FOR THE, FOR, YOU KNOW, THE MOST ADVANCED VISIONARY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD TO WORK AT RECYCLING. UM, I JUST THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB. UM, AND I, I THINK REALISTICALLY, EVERYBODY GETS MORE MONEY EVERY YEAR. PRICES GO UP, AND I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT AS TO THE, THE INNOVATIVE IDEA OF HAVING A SINGLE GARBAGE RE UH, COMPANY. UH, WE HAD THAT INNOVATIVE IDEA LIKE EIGHT YEARS AGO, 10 HOW MANY? EIGHT, 10, ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO. AND I REMEMBER FIGHTING OUR CITY MANAGER AND FIGHTING KAREN. THEY DID NOT WANT TO TOUCH THIS ISSUE. AND THOSE OF US ON BEAT THEM UP AND FORCED THEM TO DO IT. WELL, I'M TELLING YOU, THE COMMUNITY WAS ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY OPPOSED TO IT IN THE, WE DID NOT HAVE ONE PERSON, AS I RECALL, STANDUP NOT RUN AND SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, OF A, AND SO, WHILE IT'S ALWAYS A, A REALLY NICE TO THINK, WELL, IT WOULD MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE IF WE JUST HAD ONE RECYCLER, BLAH. THE, THE FACT IS THAT IT, TO HAVE ONE RECYCLER DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, IT WOULD COST PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE COST WOULD GO UP FAIRLY DRAMATICALLY FOR, FOR TRASH. HE SAYS, NOT TRUE. IT IS TRUE. WE GOT BIDS. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. UM, AND IT'S, IT, IT IS, IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I STILL THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. UM, AND, BUT SHORT OF THE CITY ESTABLISHING ITS OWN MUNICIPAL GARBAGE SERVICE WITH, UH, UH, A REQUIRED REQUIREMENT FOR SUBSTANTIAL RECYCLING, THIS MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE THAT RISES TO THE TOP OF, GIVEN THE OTHER PRIORITIES WE HAVE IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABILITY, HOUSING, UM, THE CULTURE PARK, THOSE THINGS. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING EVERYBODY WHO MAY NOT REMEMBER THOSE LOVELY DAYS OF, OF ALMOST BEING RUN OUT OF TOWN FOR SUPPORTING A, A SINGLE GARBAGE HAULER. UM, THAT THAT WAS TRUE. UM, UM, THE LIBRARY, I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE INCREASED FUNDING FOR THE LIBRARY. WE ARE SO LUCKY. WE ARE SO VERY LUCKY THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW A VISION AND TO MAKE, TO MAKE A VISION A REALITY. BECAUSE VISIONS COST MONEY, ODDLY ENOUGH. AND, AND SO WHILE THE RECYCLING CENTER WENT UP SOME, SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, THE LIBRARY IS GOING UP A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHICH IT SHOULD DO BECAUSE IT IS OUR OBLIGATION TO SUPPORT THAT INSTITUTION. WE DON'T HAVE, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING COMMUNITY. WELL, THE LIBRARY IS COMMUNITY OF ALL THE INSTITUTIONS WE HAVE IN SEDONA. IT'S THE STRONGEST ONE FOR ACTUALLY BEING SUPPORTED AND, AND UTILIZED BY, BY RESIDENTS AT EVERY LEVEL. I HEARD ABOUT THE CHILDREN, I KNOW ABOUT MYSELF. UM, I GO TO THE LIBRARY. I LOVE, I LOVE GOING THERE. UM, WE NEED MORE. WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE INSTITUTIONS THAT CAN AND DO CREATE COMMUNITY. AND SO, [02:30:01] AND SOLIDIFY COMMUNITY OVER TIME. UM, WHAT WE HAVE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS PERIODICALLY ONCE IN A WHILE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS HERE. IT'S AN INSTITUTION. IT IS SOLID. AND I, I'M VERY, VERY EXCITED THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION TO SUPPORT IT. AND I DO SUPPORT IT. I SUPPORT ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CITY MANAGER MADE IN THIS BUDGET. AND I THINK WHEN SOMETHING IS IMPORTANT TO BE DONE, LIKE RECYCLING AND LIKE THE, THE CAREGIVERS AND LIKE THE LIBRARY AND HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY, THAT WE HAVE TO FUND THEM. AND I'M DELIGHTED TO BE ABLE TO BE IN A POSITION TO DO THAT. THANK YOU JESSICA. BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, GOING THROUGH THESE, UH, I'M SURE IF YOU'RE WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY CAREGIVERS OR COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU'RE LIKE, GLAD I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO UP AND, UH, DEFEND MY REQUESTS, UH, THIS EVENING. UM, SO, UH, I DO SUPPORT THE, UH, FINANCIAL LEVEL OF, UH, CONTRIBUTION BY THE CITY AS PROPOSED BY THE CITY MANAGER FOR ALL FIVE OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY PARTNERS. UM, SO STARTING OFF WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE OF THE LIBRARY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS CITY COUNCIL TAKE AN ACTION ITEM FROM THIS, THAT WE DO, IN FACT IN ENGAGE WITH OUR COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND ANYBODY ELSE NECESSARY TO SEE THAT THIS NONSENSE OF ONGOING DEFUNDING OF OUR LIBRARY, UH, GETS STOPPED, UH, IDEALLY TURNED BACK AROUND. UH, I THINK THAT, UH, AS A COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO HAVE A VERY HEALTHY SENSE OF RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ABOUT WHAT, UH, HAS BEEN HAPPENING ON THAT FRONT. UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE, UH, RECYCLING CENTER. UH, THE WHOLE TIME THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, I'M JUST SITTING HERE GOING, IT'S A COST CENTER. YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN A BUSINESS, I MEAN, THIS IS A COST CENTER. UH, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND IF WE WERE OFFERING THIS SERVICE INTERNALLY AS THE CITY, IT WOULD JUST BE A COST CENTER. SO I, I GET THAT. UM, I DO FIND THE COMMUNITY, UH, WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATION COMPELLING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, A SINGLE SOURCE OF, OF, UH, WASTE HAULING AND, AND HOW RECYCLING FITS IN WITH THAT. AND IF IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, WELL GUESS WHAT? TIMES HAVE CHANGED AS OUR PALEONTOLOGIST HAS TOLD US, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THAT ANOTHER LOOK. AND FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE FOLLOW THE WORKING GROUP'S RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE A ONE YEAR CONTRACT FOR THE RECYCLING CENTER FOR THAT REASON. UH, MOVING ON, JUST TO, IN GENERAL, UH, THANK YOU TO ALL OF THESE COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND WHAT YOU BRING TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. IT DOES MATTER. AND IT'S A GREAT USE OF FUNDS THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOUR ORGANIZATIONS. UH, ONE THING THAT I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT ROUTINELY IS MANY OF THESE, IF NOT ALL OF THESE, YOU ALL FIVE OF YOU, HAVE A WAY OF BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT AND REFER TO ONE ANOTHER. AND I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT YOU ALL DIRECTORS, YOU KNOW, GET TOGETHER PERIODICALLY AND TALK ABOUT HOW CAN WE STRENGTHEN EACH OTHER'S OFFERINGS? HOW CAN WE IMPROVE USAGE OF YOUR VARIOUS OFFERINGS JUST BY BRINGING PERHAPS MORE AWARENESS TO WHAT, UH, YOU ARE OFFERING. SO THIS IS NOT JUST A KUMBAYA COMMENT IN THE MOMENT OF BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL GREAT, I'M SERIOUS. LIKE YOU ALL OUGHT TO BE GETTING TOGETHER AND TALKING WITH ONE ANOTHER REGULARLY ABOUT HOW YOU CAN HELP EACH OTHER. AND I THINK WITH THAT, I YIELD MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MELISSA. WELL, COUNCILOR FOLTZ PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING I'M GONNA SAY. SO I WILL REIT REITERATE JUST A FEW THINGS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO'VE PUT IN AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME LOOKING AT THIS, REVIEWING THIS, HAVING I'M SURE ANIMATED CONVERSATIONS AROUND WHAT THE FUNDING SHOULD BE AND HOW LONG IT SHOULD BE FOR AND SO FORTH. THIS ONE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I LIKE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, UM, FOR SURE. THE STAFF WHO THEN LOOKS OVER ALL OF THIS AND FEEDS BACK. IT'S, IT'S AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF TIME. AND SO THANK YOU CUZ THESE ARE REALLY CRITICAL PIECES TO OUR COMMUNITY. UM, YOU ARE LITERALLY HELPING EVERY GENERATION THAT LIVES IN SEDONA [02:35:01] AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CAREGIVERS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO STAY HERE, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE ENDS OF THEIR LIVES. THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO, UM, OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL. ALL OF IT TOGETHER. UM, I I I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, I'M SORRY THE REST OF YOU DIDN'T GET THE AIR TIME THAT A COUPLE OF, UM, OF THESE, THESE, UH, COMMUNITY PROVIDERS DID. UM, SO GOD BLESS YOU. YOU DODGED A BULLET . UH, I JUST, I ALSO WANNA AGREE WITH SOMETHING THAT, THAT COUNSELOR FUL SAID. THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS IN WHICH THESE ORGANIZATIONS CAN BE INTERTWINED TO MAKE FOR STRONGER EXPERIENCES ACROSS THE BOARD, EVEN THE HUMANE SOCIETY. UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE ARE JUST AMAZING WAYS IT CAN ACTUALLY TIE INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. AND, UM, I'M SURE YOU ARE ALREADY DOING IT AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. SO I WOULD LOVE FOR AT SOME POINT FOR SOMEONE TO COME AND TELL US WHAT YOU'RE DOING SO WE CAN STOP ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING YOU'RE ALREADY DOING. UM, REGARDING THE RECYCLING CENTER, SINCE THIS SEEMS TO BE THE, UH, HOT TOPIC TONIGHT. UM, I RECYCLE, I BELIEVE IN RECYCLING. I REPORT, I SUPPORT THE RECYCLING CENTER. I HEARD TWO CONFLICTING THINGS. UM, AND I'M, I'M SURE MAYBE I MISHEARD HEARD ONE. UH, WE EITHER HAVE HARDLY ANYBODY IN THE CITY USING IT AND WE'RE ALREADY AT CAPACITY OR WE HAVE MORE CAPACITY AND WE NEED MORE PEOPLE USING IT. UM, I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN BE BOTH. SO I WOULD LOVE, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A STRATEGIC PLAN OR REPORTING OUT, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW, UM, IF WE BELIEVE THAT A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE USING THE RECYCLING CENTER, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THAT? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE THE PUBLIC LIBRARY, BE THE HUMANE SOCIETY, UM, BE ALL OF THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, REMINDING US THAT THEY EXIST AND WHAT THEY DO. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY, IF THAT FIRST IS TRUE, THEN MAKE THAT PART OF, OF WHAT IT IS YOU WANNA TELL US THAT YOU'RE DOING FORWARD. WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ONE YEAR OR THREE YEARS, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HAVE A SINGLE, UM, UH, TRASH HAULER, UH, I THINK IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE WHERE I HAVE LIVED PLACES WHERE YOU SEPARATED YOUR RECYCLING, WHAT I NORMALLY SAW WAS A TRUCK COMBINED THROUGH ALL THE RECYCLING I HAD SEPARATED INTO A SINGLE TRUCK. UM, THAT IS, UM, WELL FRUSTRATING IF YOU'VE SPENT ALL THE TIME SEPARATING, BUT IT'S ALSO WORRISOME AS TO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO IT. SO, UM, I THINK WE, IF WE WERE TO DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK INTO THIS AGAIN BECAUSE MAYBE THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF DETAILS TO THIS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN A YEAR. AND SO I BELIEVE THAT IN THE INTERIM, SUPPORTING THREE YEARS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT DIRECT STAFF TO DO, GIVES THEM TIME TO ACTUALLY LOOK INTO THIS, TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION. I THINK ONE YEAR IS JUST NOT ENOUGH TIME, UM, GIVEN THE SITUATIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AS FOR THE LIBRARY, I LOVE THE LIBRARY. UM, I MUST, I, I KNOW JUDY KNOWS I HAVE A KINDLE THAT HAS THOUSANDS OF BOOKS ON IT. UM, BECAUSE I'M LAZY AND UM, REAL BOOKS MEANS I HAVE TO HOLD THEM. UM, SO I LOVE THE LIBRARY AND AS, AS THE LIBRARY, PEOPLE PROBABLY KNOW, I HANG OUT AT THE LIBRARY A LOT. I HOLD MY MEETINGS WHENEVER THE WEATHER'S NICE IN THAT LOVELY COURTYARD. UM, IT IS A FANTASTIC ITEM IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'VE HEARD IT CALLED MANY THINGS TONIGHT, SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY ITEM. IT IS CERTAINLY FUNDAMENTAL TO OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND WE, ALL OF US, IF WE DON'T GO, WE SHOULD GO MORE OFTEN. UM, AND SAY HI TO THE PEOPLE AND JUST LEARN WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON IN OUR LIBRARY BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE LIBRARY. SO I SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS GIVEN TO US. UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK EVERYONE ELSE HAS DONE. UM, AND I WANNA THANK EVERYONE WHO WORKS AT THESE ORGANIZATIONS FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO AND GOD BLESS YOU. KEEP DOING IT. NICE. MAYOR, I'LL BE SHORT. UH, I APPROVE, UH, THE FUNDING [02:40:01] FOR THE SERVICE CONTRACTS AS PROPOSED BY THE CITY MANAGER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS FOR COMING TO COUNCIL IN THE PAST MONTH OR OR SIX WEEKS AND PRESENTING TO US ABOUT THE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDE. CAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR US AND THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO UH, STREAM THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND IT'S GOOD FOR THEM TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR SERVICES. AND I THINK I AGREE FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT QUESTIONED AND I SAW NATE SAYING, I'M NOT GOING UP THERE. I'LL LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE AND THEY'RE GONNA SUPPORT ME. I DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR IT. OPEN MYSELF UP, RIGHT? UH, BUT, UH, WE DO APPRECIATE IT. AND, AND, AND IAS HAVING SERVED ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, KNOW HOW MUCH WORK GOES INTO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. AND SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO VOLUNTEERED TO DO THAT JOB. IT'S LONG HOURS, LOTS OF READING. UH, IN TERMS OF THE LIBRARY, I WAS THERE TODAY. I WAS THERE YESTERDAY. I'M THERE MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK BECAUSE IT IS THE CENTER OF SEDONA AND IT'S WHERE PEOPLE COME TO MEET AND WE NEED MORE MEETING SPACE IN THERE CUZ WE ARE, HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS FOR MEETING SPACE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO I REALLY SUPPORT THE VISION AND I, I THINK YOU'VE DEMONSTRATED WITH THE COURTYARD HOW MUCH THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY SUPPORT THE LIBRARY AND BUYING THE BRICKS AND PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS. AND UH, AND IT'S A WONDERFUL THING TO HAVE A, UH, 5 0 1 C THREE LIBRARY. AND ALSO, JUDY, YOU'VE JUST DONE A GREAT JOB SINCE YOU'VE BEEN THE DIRECTOR. NOT NOTHING AGAINST THE PRIOR DIRECTOR, BUT YOU DO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL VISION. AND I THINK WE ALL SUPPORT IT IN TERMS OF THE RECYCLING CENTER. I ALSO RECYCLE, IT'S NOT ABOUT NOT SUPPORTING RECYCLING, IT'S ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BE MORE BUSINESS ORIENTED AND TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST, WHAT YOUR CHALLENGES ARE, AND LOOK FOR WAYS TO, TO ANTICIPATE THEM AND TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HEDGE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO FIND. AND I, I KNOW COMMODITY MARKETS ARE ARE UNSETTLING, BUT DOUG, WHAT YOU PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT, I'VE HEARD BEFORE FROM RECYCLING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT COMMODITIES. SO IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. AND, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD SERVE YOU WELL CUZ WE WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL. WE WANT YOU TO GROW, WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE YOUR CAPABILITIES, NOT DECREASE THEM. SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL THAT IN A YEAR YOU COME BACK, NOT I, I SUPPORT A THREE YEAR CONTRACT, BUT IN A YEAR COME BACK TO US AND TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH A PLAN AND MAYBE YOU'LL GET MORE MONEY FROM US. WHO KNOWS? THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. OKAY. UH, I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY THANKING THE COMMITTEE. I KNOW I'VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF YOU, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPENT REALLY DIGGING IN ON THIS AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. UM, THIS COMMUNITY IS VERY UNIQUE IN SOME WAYS. AND WE HEAR ON THEIS, MANY PEOPLE SAY TO US, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR US? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? THESE SIX ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE FUNDING, THIS IS THE CORE OF THE, OF WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, WE'D BE A LOSS WITHOUT ANY ONE OF THEM. THEY ALL SERVE A PURPOSE. THEY ALL DO A FANTASTIC JOB. AND WE DIDN'T BRING UP NATE, WE DIDN'T BRING UP MARJORIE, WE DIDN'T BRING UP JENNIFER. BUT WE HAVE A STELLAR GROUP OF LEADERSHIP FROM THESE ORGANIZATIONS. SECOND TO NONE. I AM PROUD. I KNOW EVERYONE HERE, I AM SO PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO. THIS COMMUNITY WOULD BE THE LOSS. KENT, YOU TWO YES. OFF TO THE SIDE. BUT WE HEARD FROM YOU. I'M SO PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE. THE, THE LEADERS HERE, [02:45:01] THE DIRECTORS WHO ARE IN THIS AUDIENCE. IT'S, IT'S GREAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE LIBRARY, JUDY CAME TO OUR CITY AND EVER SINCE SHE FIRST WALKED IN THE DOOR HAS BEEN PROVIDING US WITH FANTASTIC PROJECTS. HER VISION IS GREAT. AND LIKE THE VICE MAYOR SAID, I'M NOT KNOCKING ANYBODY BEFORE HER, BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED. AND UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS, THE RESIDENTS IN YAVAPAI COUNTY, WHAT YOU PAY IN YOUR PROPERTY TAX FOR A LIBRARY, IT'S EARMARKED FOR A LIBRARY, DOESN'T COME BACK TO THE LIBRARY. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. AND IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN YAVAPAI COLLEGE. I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THAT CUZ IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. BUT I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YOUR MONEY IS BEING TAKEN FROM YOU. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE KICKING IN THIS MONEY TO, TO MAKE THE MAKE UP THE DEFICIT. BUT I WILL SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I LOVE WHAT THE LIBRARY IS TO THIS COMMUNITY. AND I COULDN'T IMAGINE IT CLOSING ITS DOORS. NOT SUPPORTING THE RECYCLING CENTER DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. THE CENTERS BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. OKAY. UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER ABOUT A SINGLE TRASH HAUL. JESSICA AND I ARE THE ONLY ONES I THINK ON COUNCIL THAT WE WENT THROUGH THAT, THAT TASK TO, TO DO THE RESEARCH. AND WHAT WAS THAT? I, I SAID, YES. YEAH. AND AMEN. AND LET ME TELL YOU, THIS COMMUNITY, FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T HERE, WERE ARGUING ABOUT TWO THINGS. I DON'T WANNA SPEND A DOLLAR MORE. AND IT REALLY WAS BE THE, THE EVERYBODY'S RECYCLING WOULD BE CUT AND THE TRASH ROLLING WOULD BE CUT A DOLLAR OR $2 AND I DON'T WANNA HAVE THAT COMPANY, WHATEVER THE COMPANY WAS, WE DIDN'T EVEN PICK ONE. THE PUSHBACK WAS JUST TERRIBLE. AND IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING. SO DO WE WANNA LOOK AT IT? LIKE BRIAN SAID, THINGS CHANGE AND IT'S, I DUNNO, SIX, SEVEN YEARS, NOT 10 YEARS, BUT IT'S STILL A LONG TIME. KAREN SAYS 10. WHAT'S THAT? KAREN SAYS 10 KAREN'S 10. IS IT REALLY? WOW. FLIES PIE FLIES. BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN'T JUST SNAP OUR FINGERS AND SAY, WELL, LET'S START LOOKING AT THAT. WE DO THAT COUNCIL DOES THAT EVERY JANUARY AT OUR PRIORITY SETTING. AND THEN WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO DO A LOT OF THE PROJECTS, NO MATTER HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE, BECAUSE UNLESS SOMETHING WANTS TO BE PULLED FROM OUR PRIORITY LIST, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH STAFF TO DO IT. AND THEY ARE, THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE ARE, THEY'RE FABULOUS, BUT WE ONLY HAVE JUST SO MANY PEOPLE TO DO JUST SO MUCH WORK. SO, UH, I DON'T SEE IT BEING TAKING IT ON ANYTHING LESS THAN TWO TO THREE YEARS. SO THAT HAS, UH, THAT HAS A PROBLEM FOR ME TO EVEN LOOK AT IT AGAIN. AND I QUITE HONESTLY, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME TO US EARLIER THIS YEAR AND SAY, WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT A SINGLE HOLE. SAME PITCH FROM YEARS AGO, 10 YEARS AGO. I I DON'T KNOW IF THIS COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS IT OR NOT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING TO ME. BUT, UM, LET'S SEE. I DO SUPPORT THE THREE YEARS FOR THE RECYCLING CENTER, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN, I DON'T SEE IT HURTING. I THINK, UH, IT COULD HURT IT, IT COULDN'T HURT, BUT IT WOULD HELP. BUT I WOULD NOT SEE, UM, ANYTHING LESS THAN THE THREE YEARS FOR NOW BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING ANY QUICKER. SO, UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF, UH, I DO RECOMMEND, UH, I WILL SUPPORT GOING FORWARD WITH THE, THE, UH, THE AGENDA ITEM AS WRITTEN. SO, MOTION? YES. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED SERVICE CONTRACTS WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY, SEDONA RECYCLES AND VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS COALITION. AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN SAID CONTRACTS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. OH, YOU'RE OVER THERE NOW. OKAY. . CAN CAN YOU JUST MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? UM, YES. COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT I HAD BEEN THINKING [02:50:01] ABOUT AS WELL AND ACTUALLY HAD MENTIONED IT TO MARJORIE HARRIS ABOUT GETTING THE DIRECTORS OF THE SERVICE CONTRACT PROVIDERS TOGETHER. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, ACTUALLY I'M, I'M GONNA TRY AND INSTIGATE THAT AND SEND OUT INVITATIONS AND TRY AND GET A TIME INTO PLACE. AND I'M HOPING I SEE SOME THUMBS UP FROM DIRECTORS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER? THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I WILL TAKE THAT ON. OKAY. IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO. I DO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, BEFORE WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, I THINK WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AND, UM, WE'LL BE BACK. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS REMAIN, THREE ITEMS REMAINING. SO, UM, 15 MINUTES. JOANNE? 15. OKAY. THOUGHT TO GO TRAVELING LIKE THAT AND THEN TO HAVE THIS IT SURE HAPPENS. I NO DAMN. YEAH. A BATTERY DOESN'T MESS AS LONG IT USED TO. NO. SO IT'S, CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THAT KIND, IT DOESN'T DO AS WELL. YEAH. SEE WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR A REPLACEMENT, FINE. OKAY, WE'LL GET, LET'S GET BACK TO WORK. CAN I ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS? OKAY. JUST BACK, CROSS THE PATHS. JUST, OKAY. ITEM D, AB 29 62, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE APPROVAL OF A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE ST ZERO EIGHT SR 89 A AND FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT WITH KIMLEY HORN, INC. IN THE APPROXIMATE AMOUNT OF $385,040. AND I'M GUESSING THERE'S KURT LEADING THE WAY READY TO GO HIS FIRST TIME UP AT THAT BY HIMSELF. IS THAT TRUE? I GOT MY WATER WINGS ON. I KNOW. THEY, I THINK YOU'LL DO JUST FINE. WELL, THANK YOU MAYOR. THANKS, BEAR COUNSEL. YEAH. WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED TO YOU IS, UH, KURT, YOU GOTTA FIX THE MIC. OH, YES SIR. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE LIVE TEST TEST. UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON THE AGENDA TODAY. UM, THIS IS THE COST PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE DECIDED TO DO FOR STATE ROUTE 89 A. THIS IS FOREST AS IT COMES DOWN TO 89 A. AND THIS IS ALL TIES INTO THE SAFETY AND CONNECTIONS OF ALL THE SIM PROJECTS WE HAVE CURRENTLY, WHICH IS FOREST IN MY NORTHBOUND PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING IN UPTOWN. YEAH. AND, UM, WE WENT IN FEBRUARY, LOOKED THROUGH, UM, DID OUR, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED, THE SELECTIVE THE PREQUALIFICATION PROCESS. WE SAT DOWN AND LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ENGINEERS THAT ARE ON THOSE PIECE PRE-SELECTION LIST, CAME UP WITH KIMBERLY HORN AS THAT. AND NO, IT WASN'T TALKING ABOUT MONEY THEN, OR WAS PURELY JUST QUALIFICATIONS WHO COULD GIVE THE CITY THE BEST VALUE ON THIS PROJECT DESIGN. AND WE ALL, WE ALL AGREED BACK IN FEBRUARY THAT WAS, UH, KIMBERLY HO WOULD BE THE BEST. UM, I TRY TO WRITE UP IN THE AGENDA BILL, THE WHOLE SUMMARY. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN GO MORE INTO DETAIL. OKAY. YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH. SHOULD YOU GO INTO MORE DETAIL? YEAH, IF YOU NEED MORE DETAIL. I'M ASSUMING Y'ALL READ THE AGENDA BILL? YES. DID, UH, DO YOU HAVE A GRAPHIC? I THOUGHT I SAW A GRAPHIC POP UP. YEP. CAN YOU, THAT'S THE MAP. PUT THAT UP. CAN WE GET THAT EXHIBIT UP PLAN THAT JUST BE DESIGN CONCEPTUAL OF HOW IT'S GONNA OVERLAY? UM, THE STUDY BASICALLY SUPPORTED THE ROUNDABOUT AS PART OF THE VIM MODEL THAT WILL CONNECT BREW, UH, BREWER. EVENTUALLY, ONCE THIS IS CONSTRUCTED, WE WILL OF COURSE MAKE BREWER GO AWAY. IT'LL BE A RIGHT TURN OUT, RIGHT TURN IN. UM, THERE'S A, THE MODEL SHOWS, UH, NO, I'M SORRY. THE MODEL WILL SHOW THAT BY DOING THIS ROUNDABOUT, IT'S GONNA METER THE TRAFFIC FLOWS INTO THE Y MUCH AS WELL. SO WE WON'T GET THIS, UH, SLUG OF TRAFFIC, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL MAKE THE Y FAR MORE FUNCTIONAL. AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL WITHIN A, THIS IS IN A RIGHT OF WAY [02:55:03] AND THIS IS THE BIG CONNECTION THAT WE HOPE TO PUT THE TRANSIT LANE TO CONNECT TO THE RIDE EXCHANGE. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE ALSO THEN WORKING ON THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT. UM, SO THIS IS ANOTHER CRITICAL ELEMENT FOR OUR WHOLE, UM, EVACUATION PLAN FOR UPTOWN AND HOPEFULLY TURNING THE, MAKING THE, TURNING THE CURB OR MAKING A BEND AND TRYING TO REDUCE THOSE THAT WEEK. THIS WEEKEND CONGESTION, WE HAVE THROUGH THE WHOLE UPTOWN STATE ROUTE 1 79. I HAVE A QUE A QUICK QUESTION. SO THIS WILL ELIMINATE THE WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE WESTERN ROUNDABOUT AND THAT, IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S SHOWN THERE? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'LL GO AWAY BREWER. THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT. RIGHT? AND YES, AND I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO ROUNDABOUTS SO CLOSE TOGETHER, AND THAT'S CAUSING A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN AND OF ITSELF. BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S GONNA GO AWAY. SOME PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC ARE THINKING WE'RE GONNA HAVE THREE ROUNDABOUTS. SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. YES, BREW WILL GO ROUNDABOUT AND THEN HOPEFULLY THIS WILL MAKE THE WHY, WHICH IS THE HEART OF THE LOT OF ISSUES FAR MORE FUNCTIONAL AND EFFICIENT. AND WE'VE LOOKED AT, ANDY AND I TALKED ABOUT EVEN THE GEOGRAPHICAL, UH, LAYOUT OF THE Y ROUNDABOUT COULD HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS. AGAIN, THAT'S AN ADOT. UM, BUT THIS IS A CRITICAL STEP IN THE WHOLE PROCESS OF TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD ON DOING WHAT YOU TASKED US TO DO AND, UM, REDUCING CONGESTION, IMPROVING TRAFFIC AND SAFETY FOR ALL USERS. THAT INCLUDES PEDESTRIANS. SO A BIG PART OF THIS IS GONNA PROVIDE THAT ACCESSIBILITY UNDER STATE ROUTE 89. A PART OF THIS YOU CAN'T SEE IS THE, UM, THE TWIN TUNNELS THAT CONNECT TO ALL THE TRAFFIC, UM, THE TRAILS THAT ARE CALLED, I THINK IT'S CALLED GRAND CENTRAL. SO PART OF THIS PLAN IS TO PUT SUVS AS PART OF THE, UH, SHOULDERS PATH, UM, TO MAKE THIS A MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND HAVE ALL THE THIRD USE PATH, ISN'T I? THANK YOU MUCH NICE TO GO. THANK YOU. CORRECT. CA YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I DO. UM, THANK YOU. YES, THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE AGENDA BILL, SO IT WAS VERY DETAILED. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH REGARDING THE, UM, THE DESIGN PHASING. I KNOW THAT THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS IS, WOULD START IN JULY 23. UH, SO NOW COMING UP AND GO UNTIL SPRING OF 2024. SO A LITTLE OVER ONE AND A HALF YEARS, AND IT'S COMING BACK TO THE CITY AT 30, 60 AND 90% DEVELOPMENT. AND MY QUESTION IS, CAN THAT COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW? IS THAT ONLY GOING TO STAY FOR STAFF DESIGN REVIEW OR CAN THAT COME BACK TO COUNCIL? BECAUSE I THINK FOR ME, I MEAN, I WOULD WANT TO GET SOME PUBLIC FEEDBACK, SOME INPUT, SEE REACTION. I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE UP HERE IS IS WE REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY TO GET REACTION AS WELL, UM, FOR THE DESIGN OF THAT. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN COME BACK TO COUNSEL AT THOSE DESIGN STAGES? WE SURE CAN MAKE THAT AVAILABLE. REMEMBER WE HAVE OUR SIM CIP UPDATES MM-HMM. , AND WE CAN ACTUALLY INCLUDE THAT IN THERE TO SEE WHAT STATUSES WE ARE WITHIN THE DESIGN, ANY PROBLEM, CHALLENGES AND SO ON. UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FORTUNATE, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES WITH SHOULDER WASH, THAT'S A, A FEMA FLOODPLAIN AREA. SO, UH, JUST AS A PRELIMINARY DESIGN, WE'VE NOTICED THAT THERE'S NO NET ELEVATION GAIN. SO THAT'S GONNA HELP MAKE US, UM, DESIGN AND DELIVER THESE PROJECTS ON A FASTER SCHEDULE THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GONNA BE A SIX MONTH DELAY BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING NOT JUST WITH ONE, UH, FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT, WE'RE DEALING TO YAVAPAI COUNTY AND COCONINO COUNTY. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD FORTUNE THAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR TO KEEP THIS ON THE FAST TRACK, TO TRY TO DELIVER THESE PROJECTS TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE ON SAFETY AND CONGESTION AND, OKAY. UM, AND THIS FOLLOWS UP BELOW ON THE MAYOR'S QUESTION, WHICH IS THE REMOVAL OF THE OTHER ROUNDABOUT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN CO-TERM WITH THIS, UH, WITH THE, ONCE A DESIGN IS APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTION STARTED. SO WOULD HOW WE GOING TO SEE THE DESIGN FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE OTHER TRAFFIC CIRCLE? BECAUSE I'M, I ALSO DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OR, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT WOULD THEN LOOK LIKE ONCE IT'S RESTORED TO BEING THROUGH LANE TRAFFIC WITHOUT A CIRCLE. SO HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THIS PROCESS? OH, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE, UM, TASK TO DO WITHIN THE DESIGN. SO IS IT'S THE PART OF THE DESIGN OR THIS IS THE DESIGN OF THE REMOVAL OF THE OTHER? YES. SO WE WOULD SEE THEM TOGETHER. RIGHT. [03:00:01] AND THEN THE INTERIM BEFORE WE'RE DESIGNING, IT WOULD BE A RIGHT TURN, UM, OUT FROM FOREST ONCE THAT PROJECT IS DONE, AND THEN IT WOULD BE, UH, NO LEFT, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO UP TO BREWER AND TURN AROUND. SO WE'RE ALREADY, UM, ALLOWING THAT AND ACCOMMODATING THAT FOR THAT DESIGN. BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AROUND THE 60% AS I WOULD HAVE THE ESTIMATE. MM-HMM. , JUST TO CLARIFY, SO IT'S CORRECT WHAT KURT SAID, BUT JUST TO ADD A LEFT IN COMING NORTHBOUND 89 LEFT END OF FOREST WILL BE ALLOWED BEFORE THE ROUNDABOUT IS BUILT, BUT BUILDING THIS, THIS NEW IMPROVED ROUNDABOUT CONTROLLED INTERSECTION WILL GIVE FULL FUNCTIONALITY TO THAT INTERSECTION AT THAT POINT. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, JUST REALLY TWO QUESTIONS. UH, ONE, LET ME JUST FOLLOW UP ON THIS DISAPPEARING ROUNDABOUT BY COLDWELL BANKER. HOW, HOW DOES ONE DO THAT? DO YOU ACTUALLY DESTRUCT THE ROUNDABOUT AND DO LANES OR DO YOU JUST CLOSE OFF THOSE CONNECTING SEGMENTS? THERE'S PROBABLY MANY A COUPLE OF WAYS THAT WE WOULD COME UP WITH THAT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA GO WITH KIMLEY HORN TO COME UP WITH WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST PHASING IN ORDER NOT TO INTERRUPT TRAFFIC. BUT I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD JUST REMOVE THE INTERNAL ROUNDABOUT. SO IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE AN EXTENSION OF A MEDIAN THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE, THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AS OF NOW. SO IT WOULD JUST BASICALLY BE REMOVED AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A PHASED, UH, MOVEMENT WHERE YOU WOULD SHIFT TRAFFIC TO ONE SIDE IN ORDER NOT TO INTERRUPT TRAFFIC DURING CONSTRUCTION. SO IT'D PROBABLY BE DONE BY HALVES OR SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S TO LOOK AT. AND THEN THAT CONSTRUCTION PHASING IS USUALLY DONE AT THE 60% TO 90% DESIGN. 30% IS USUALLY JUST BRINGING UP CONCEPT, MAKING SURE HOW THE ELEVATIONS ARE GONNA WORK, TRY TO BALANCE OUT YOUR CUT BILLS. AND, UH, IN MY OPINION, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, KIMBERLY HORNE HAS DONE A LOT OF FEEDBACK, UM, ON TRYING TO GET THE BEST VALUE FOR OUR DOLLAR IN, IN THE DESIGN. UM, SO JUST TO SET EVERYONE'S EXPECTATIONS, WE SAID 2024 FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN TO BE SPRING 2024 TO BE DONE, THEN SORT OF HOW LONG TO, I THINK THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL PROJECT. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. SO WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION OF WHEN THIS THING ACTUALLY GETS BUILT AND FINISHED ROUGHLY? JUST, UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPLETING DESIGN IN SPRING OF 24, SO THAT MEANS THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK TO START CONSTRUCTION IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SUMMER OF, OF 24 AT THAT POINT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NEXT SUMMER, FISCAL YEAR 25. SO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE CAN BE SOME DELAY AS WE'VE SEEN ON PROJECTS THIS SIZE. THIS WILL DEFINITELY NEED TO GO THROUGH ADOT PERMITTING. UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT FEDERAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS AS WELL, STATE FUNDING. OH YEAH. I MEAN, WE'LL TAKE WHAT WE CAN, RIGHT? YEAH. WE'LL TAKE ANYTHING WHAT WE GET. SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES ON BOTH PROBABLY THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL AND THAT THAT, UH, OFTENTIMES CAN KIND OF MESS WITH OUR SCHEDULE ON, ON WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING. BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S OUR BEST ESTIMATE IS THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION IN F Y 25. SO 26 TO BE DONE. 20 OF RIGHT. YEAH. THE FUNDS BE, BUT GET TOO EXCITED THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT WEEK. IT'S SOME A LITTLE TIME AWAY AND IT'S AFTER THIS ROUNDABOUT IS DONE, THAT'S WHEN WE TURN OUR ATTENTION TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE OTHER EXISTING ROUNDABOUT IS, OR YOU MIGHT DO IT AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE REALITY IS THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAINTAIN SOME FUNCTIONALITY, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR BREWER ROAD ITSELF. RIGHT. SO LIKELY IT WOULD HAPPEN AFTER CONSTRUCTION. YEAH, LIKE KURT SAID, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING AS PART OF OUR, PART OF OUR DESIGN PHASE. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD, I WOULD ADD HERE IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT ITSELF, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CURVATURE GEOMETRY THAT YOU SEE IN THE YEP. THE LEGS THAT ENTER AND EXIT THAT ROUNDABOUT. ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE DONE FOR SURE WOULD BE TO REDUCE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SEVERITY OF THOSE, THOSE CURVES. UM, THOSE ARE INTENDED TO SLOW YOU DOWN SO THAT AS YOU ENTER THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU'RE GOING AT A SLOW SPEED. WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT. SO TAKING SOME OF THAT CURVATURE OUT I THINK WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ARTWORK THERE AND EVERYTHING IS, HAS A, HAS HAD A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO IT. SO WE WOULD WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT ELEMENT, BUT YEP, YEP. INCLUDE ALL THESE OTHER FACTORS AT THE SAME TIME. GREAT. THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION ON THE NEXT ONE TOO. I THINK THERE'S MERIT TO SORT OF KEEPING THE GEOMETRY THERE. IT'S OKAY THAT IT SLOWS TRAFFIC DOWN. [03:05:01] WE DON'T NEED TO DO THINGS ALWAYS TO SPEED TRAFFIC UP. SO, THANK YOU. KATHY, YOU WANT TO? YEAH, ACTUALLY ANDY TOUCHED ON IT, SO I'M GOOD. OKAY. JESSICA, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NICE, MA. SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF A BUS LANE AND WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, DO WE HAVE A, WE OWN THIS LAND, ALL THIS LAND ON THE SOUTH ON THE, WELL GO AHEAD. DO YOU NEED ME TO CLARIFY? YEAH, UM, UH, I WISH I HAD A POINTER. . UM, SO BEHIND OR TO THE WEST POINTER OF THE, YEAH, SO WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE HUB, THE TRANSIT RIDE EXCHANGE RIGHT THERE. OH, WELL I'M NOT SEEING IT ON MY, YEAH, THE CITY OWNS THAT PARCEL AND, UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER PARCELS TO THE SOUTH OF THAT. AND, UM, THE LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY OWNED ALLOWS FOR THAT ROAD EXTENSION THAT YOU'RE SEEING, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE, THE RANGER ROAD EXTENSION THAT WOULD, UM, EXTEND FROM THE BREWER RANGER INTERSECTION UP TO THE NORTHWEST, IF YOU CAN PICTURE THAT. YEAH. BUT THE LAND FOR THE PROPOSED BUS LANE IS NOT THAT LAND. I MEAN, SOME OF IT IS, BUT SOME AND YES, THAT YEAH. IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING, UM, BASICALLY DUE SOUTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT YEAH. THERE WILL BE SOME LAND THERE THAT, THAT WILL NEED TO BE ACQUIRED. YES. AND WHO OWNS THAT LAND RIGHT NOW? IT'S ACTUALLY LABELED ON THAT MAP THERE. . OH, I, I WAS LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT, OKAY, SO ALL OF THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE, RIGHT? YOU'RE POINTING AT, WELL, SO DOWN, DOWN, UM, DOWN THE PAGE FROM THE ROUNDABOUT. OH YES, I SEE ALL CITY, CITY. SO THERE'S ONE OWNER DOWN, OH, THERE'S ONE OWNER I SEE. OR TWO OWNERS MAYBE. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CITY. SEDONA RIGHT THERE. YEAH, YEAH. CITY OF SEDONA. SO IS THERE AN A DOT RIGHT, OF WHAT I MEAN WHAT? YEAH, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE, THE ODD LIKE TRIANGULAR SHAPED PARCELS THAT, THAT, UM, KURT WAS JUST HIGHLIGHTING THERE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THOSE ARE REMNANTS FROM BACK WHEN 89 A WAS WAS WIDENED MANY YEARS AGO. OH. AND I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THAT ENDED UP WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY EXCESS LAND, UM, LEFT OVER FROM THAT WIDENING PROJECT YEARS AGO. SOMEHOW THE CITY ENDED UP WITH IT. SO IN TERMS OF THE NEW ROUNDABOUT, UM, BREWER RANGER, WHERE IS, WHERE WOULD THIS PROJECT BE? SO IN SEQUENCE TO THE OTHER PROJECT, TH THIS WOULD, UM, COME AFTER THAT PROJECT. OKAY. AND THEY DO LINE UP TOGETHER. THE TWO PROJECTS DO. SO THE OTHER PROJECT, UM, THE BREWER RANGER INTERSECTION DOES INCLUDE A PORTION OF THAT IS AN EXTENSION OF RANGER ROAD UP TO THIS AREA. MM-HMM. . SO, AND THAT'S WHERE THE REALLY FEMA FLOODPLAIN STUDY CAME OUT TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT OUR IMPACTS ARE GONNA BE ON THIS WHEN WE DESIGN. SO THEY'RE ALL KIND OF INTERLINK INTERLINKED. A BIG PART OF THIS TOO IS THE POWER LINE'S GONNA GO UNDER, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE BIG OVERHEAD POWER LINE. AND THAT'S ALL BEEN, UH, WORKED THROUGH WITH UH, APS RIGHT NOW IN THOSE EASEMENT, UTILITY EASEMENT CORRIDORS TO TAKE THAT UNDERGROUND. ARE THEY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT? YES, THEY KNOW IT'S COMING. . OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, MELISSA, I KNOW YOU BRIEFLY MENTIONED THIS, SO I'M JUST GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU COULD GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT HOW THE PROPOSED CROSSWALK IS GOING TO WORK. I SEE ON THE MAP. SO I WOULD ASSUME MELISSA YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT HERE? YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE DESIGN. HOW ARE WE GONNA, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET SAFELY PEOPLE ACROSS THIS CORRIDOR? I WOULD ASSUME IT'D PROBABLY BE A HAWK. IT'D BE HAVE TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH THE PLAN IS DESIGNED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE CROSSING THERE AND AT WHAT TIME. SO, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT FURTHER GOING INTO WHAT REALLY THE DESIGN SAYS AT THAT POINT IN TIME. BUT THAT'D BE GREAT STUFF THAT WE COULD BRING BACK TO COUNSEL AND TELL YOU [03:10:01] WHAT, UH, THE DESIGNERS HAVE BEEN COMING FORTH. DOES IT GO UNDER OVER THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. CAN I FOLLOW UP ON THAT? SURE. WHY DO WE NEED A CROSSWALK THERE? WELL THAT'S BECAUSE THE BIG, UH, EXCHANGE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY TO USE THE EXCHANGE IN A NON-MOTORIZED WAY. SO THEY EITHER ARE WALKING FROM FOREST, SO IT'S REALLY, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA COMING DOWN THIS STEEP GRADE, HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THEM TO CROSS 89 SAFELY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT JUST IN SCOPING, CUZ WE HAVE THE TWO CULVERTS, UH, UNDER 89 A THAT I JUST MENTIONED THAT GOES, THAT MIGHT BE PERHAPS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, UM, THAT HAS A LOT OF VALUE AND ROUTE THE S THROUGH THAT. OF COURSE WE GOTTA WORK WITH ADOT ONCE THAT DESIGN COMES. BUT PART OF THE DESIGN, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, AN ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS TO COME UP WHAT, WHAT WHICH MAKES BEST SENSE FOR SAFETY, NUMBER ONE, TWO, COST AND, AND THREE AND DELIVERY, RIGHT? CUZ WE WANT TO GET, DELIVER THESE PROJECTS AS SOON AS WE CAN TO, TO GET THE, THE CITIZENS THE RESULTS THEY THEY'VE REQUESTED. SO I'M GONNA JUMP IN AFTER, SINCE THE VICE MAY STARTED THIS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM DOING THIS A WHILE. ADA DOESN'T WANT CROSSWALKS, THEY DON'T WANT ANY KINDA LIGHTS THAT ANYTHING, ANYTHING'S GONNA SLOW PEOPLE DOWN. SO WHY WOULD THEY APPROVE A CROSSWALK ABOVE GRADE, YOU KNOW, ON GRADE CROSSWALK TO BE DETERMINED. WE, WE'LL FIND OUT. THANK YOU. UM, RIGHT NOW THIS IS JUST A, A, A SCOPE CONCEPT DESIGN SHOWING WHERE A CROSSWALK MAY GO SO IT COULD ALL CHANGE. OKAY, THANKS. UM, BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR. ON THE, UH, PACKET PAGE 2 0 2, THERE'S THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROCUREMENT METHOD AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, OR SPOKE TO THAT BRIEFLY AT THE ONSET. UM, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THE STATE ALLOWS FOR, UH, SINGLE SOURCING, UH, A CONTRACT LIKE THIS AND, UH, KIMLEY HORN I UNDERSTAND BEING SELECTED BECAUSE OF ITS INVOLVEMENT IN SO MANY OF OUR PROJECTS. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING A GOOD PRICE ON THEIR SERVICES IF THEY'RE THE ONLY, UH, PERSON THAT WE'RE GETTING, NOT ONLY COMPANY WE'RE GETTING A BID FROM, UH, BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH THEIR DETAILED BID, LOOKED IN AT THEIR COST ESTIMATE AND THEIR HOURS ASSIGNED TO THOSE, AND THEY ALL SEEM VERY REASONABLE. AND THEN BOTH ANDY AND I AND OTHER ENGINEERS DISCUSSED THE ECONOMICS OF SCALE. UH, IF WE BROUGHT ANOTHER OUTSIDE CONSULTING, HOW MUCH THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO BRING THEM ON BOARD THAT THEY'VE ALREADY KIND OF SCOPED OUT AND DESIGN IN DOING LIKE THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT DESIGN. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY IN KIND WORK THAT THE CITY'S RECEIVING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT GETTING BILLED AT. SO IF WE WENT TO ANOTHER, UM, CONSULTING COMPANY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE DONE THE STUDY, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE LIKE THIS DETAILED SCOPING AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THAT VALUE JUDGMENT WE MADE. I UNDERSTAND THAT ASPECT, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, IF OUR BASIS FOR ASSESSING WHETHER IT'S REASONABLE IS PAST CONTRACTS AND THEY'RE ALL WITH KIMLEY HORN, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DO WE BRING IN NEW INFORMATION JUST TO TEST THE WATERS PERIODICALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN FACT GETTING A GOOD DEAL IRRESPECTIVE OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE SOME IN-KIND. I GET THAT. SO THIS IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE GENERIC OF A QUESTION THAN SPECIFICALLY TO THIS PROJECT. YEAH, SO ANDY, I WOULD JUST CLARIFY THAT WE CERTAINLY HAVE NUMEROUS OTHER CONSULTANTS THAT WORK FOR THE CITY. UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE ALL AT THE CALIBER OF KIMLEY HORN. WE HAVE A FEW THAT ARE, THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK. UM, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE OTHER, UH, CONTRACTS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH ON THE, ON THE CONSULTANT SIDE THAT WE CAN COMPARE THOSE COST RATES BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT FIRMS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT SEVERAL FACTORS, UH, WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THESE PROPOSALS. SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, A COMPANY DOESN'T HAVE, UH, ENOUGH STAFF ON, ON THE KIND OF THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT SIDE. SO THEY END UP JUST, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE I'VE, I'VE SEEN WHERE THEY'RE HEAVILY LOADED ON THE EXECUTIVE SIDE OF THEIR TEAM AND WE THROW IT BACK AT 'EM AND SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT HIRING YOU WITH, WITH THAT. YOU GOTTA EITHER HIRE SOME NEW STAFF. WE'RE NOT PAYING THOSE KIND OF RATES FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT WORK. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE LOOK FOR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING A GOOD VALUE. BUT BEYOND WHAT KURT WAS SAYING BEFORE, OR TO ADD ON, I SHOULD SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A NEW CONSULTANT COME IN ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS NOT HAVING [03:15:01] THE M MODEL THAT WE HAVE AND THE OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION ON, ON THE WHOLE CITY, IT'S, IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT. CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE PAST COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT WE BROUGHT IN, UH, YOU KNOW, A HIGH CALIBER TYPE CONSULTANT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET WHERE WE NEEDED TO GO, UM, GIVEN THEIR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE OVERALL CITY. SO, OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, WE REFER TO THE BREWER, UH, ROUNDABOUT THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT, UM, AS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION NOW THAT, WELL, YOU DON'T BUILD TWO ROUNDABOUTS THAT CLOSE TOGETHER. WHEN DID WE LEARN THAT? WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WHEN WE BUILT THAT. AND I MEAN, WHO, WHO DESIGNED THAT? WAS THAT KIMBERLY HORN OR SOMEBODY ELSE? ADOT THAT WAS THE ADOT WAS ADOT. SO ADOT WAS THE LEAD DIM. JIM HARRIS AT THE TIME WAS THE LEAD CONSULTANT AND UM, I KNOW THEY BROUGHT IN ROUNDABOUT EXPERTS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE EXPERIENCE ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND, UM, THERE, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF ROUNDABOUTS AND SERIES THAT WORK FINE. I THINK WE JUST GOT TO A, A LEVEL OF SATURATION OF, OF VEHICLE VOLUMES THAT PUSHED THIS SYSTEM OVER ITS LIMIT. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LOST PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT THIS AREA USED TO LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS VEHICLE CONGESTION AND, UH, THE Y USED TO ACTUALLY BE A Y AND UM, IT WAS CONTROLLED BY TRAFFIC SIGNAL. AND I CAN REMEMBER THE BACKUPS THAT WE USED TO GET ON THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND IT WAS MUCH WORSE THAN WHAT WE EXPERIENCED TODAY. SO WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN BUILT AT THIS POINT HAS BEEN AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE HAD IN THE PAST, BUT WE'VE OUTGROWN THAT NOW IS WHERE WE'RE AT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO, WE HAVE NO CARDS, JOANNE. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE IT. AND WE WANT A MOTION, UH, IF, IF NOT SAYS OTHER COMMENTS, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE SO MOTION. I HAVE ONE LOOK, WAIT A MINUTE. IN TERMS OF VALUE, I THOUGHT I READ THAT THEY CAME IN AT 500,000 AND WE NEGOTIATED TO 385,000. IS THAT CORRECT? THEIR BID WAS, RECALL THAT? YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS A, A ROUGH ESTIMATE THAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY DESIGNING THAT WE, BUT OUR BUTT BID OFF. BUT WHEN I DID TALK TO THEM, I JUST DISCUSSED THE, THE, UM, IT'S CALLED, UH, YOUR MULTIPLICATION FACTOR OR WHAT HAPPENS IS IN BIG CORPORATIONS THEY HAVE AN HOURLY RATE AND THEN THERE'S AN OVERHEAD FACTOR THAT, SO I INQUIRED ABOUT THAT TO MAKING SURE THEY'RE IN REASONABLE RANGES, THAT WE'RE NOT OVERLY, LIKE YOU SAID, GETTING VALUE, WE'RE GETTING COSTS FOR THAT. AND IT SEEMED ALL WITHIN THE RANGE. I WAS A CONSULTING ENGINEER. I WORKED ON PROPOSALS, UH, ANDY DID FOR A LONG TIME TOO. SO I HAD THAT EXPERIENCE TO COME AND LOOK AT IS, IS THIS REASONABLE PROPOSAL AND IT, IT FELL WITHIN DEFINITELY REASONABLE RANGE. I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. I MOVED TO APPROVE AWARD OF A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE T O EIGHT SR 89 A AND FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT WITH KIMLEY HORN, INC. IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $385,040 SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? BE UNANIMOUS. OKAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING. AB 29 52, THAT'S ITEM E DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE REQUEST FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND TOURISM BUREAU FOR A FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION OF $530,000 FROM THE CITY OF STONE TOWARDS THE OPERATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024. AND THERE'S MICHELLE AND TEAM. WELL DONE. FANCIES DONE. I WANNA SIT HERE. GARY IN THE MIDDLE. GARY IN THE MIDDLE. DO WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION? LOADED? THE PRESENTATION? [03:20:05] DO YOU HAVE ANY CARDS? I DO. FINE. BEFORE I WAS ON NOW BEFORE BLUE WENT TO THE MIC. IT'S IS JUST THE ATTACHMENT. HE LEFT. HE LEFT, YEAH. OKAY. WELL WE GOT TIME. HE MAY COME BACK. OKAY. MICHELLE, WELCOME BACK. HELLO . HELLO. NICE TO BE NICE TO BE BACK. I HOPE SO. UM, OKAY. I'LL GET THE PRESENTATION. OKAY, GREAT. AT LEAST, UH, THIS EVENING IT'LL BE A VERY POINTED CONVERSATION, WHICH WILL BE, WE WON'T, WE'LL SEE HOW LONG IT GOES, BUT AT LEAST YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY POINTED ON THIS TOPIC, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CHATTING WITH YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. CAN YOU BORROW ME SOME WATER? OH, YOU WANT THE POWERPOINT, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. MM-HMM. . SO IT LOOKS LIKE, IS THAT IT? I THINK THAT'S IT THERE. YEAH. LOOKS DRINK. WHEW. ALMOST GOT, I THINK. AWESOME. THANK YOU. AND THEN THIS IS ADVANCES. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY, THANKS VERY MUCH. NU HAS A MAN'S OKAY ON THE, SINCE IT'S PDF SO THE VIEWERS CAN SEE IT. OKAY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, HELLO AGAIN. UH, MAYOR JLO, VICE MAYOR PLU AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. PRIOR TO SUBMITTING OUR CONTRACT TERMINATION NOTICE, UH, TO KAREN, EARLY IN EARLY APRIL, WE HAD BEEN ANALYZING THE NUMBERS OF OUR OPERATIONS OVERALL, INCLUDING THE VISITOR CENTER. WE HAD HOPED THAT WE COULD RUN THE VISITOR CENTER OURSELVES. HOWEVER, AFTER FURTHER ANALYSIS, WE DETERMINED THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO FUND THE VISITOR CENTER. THEREFORE, WE WANTED TO COME TO THE CITY TODAY, UH, AND FIRST TO OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE THE VISITOR CENTER OPERATIONS FOR THE COMING TRANSITIONARY FISCAL YEAR AS A PREMIER TOURISM DESTINATION. VISITORS COME TO SEDONA FOR OUR RED ROCKS HIKING INCREDIBLE RESORTS, THE ARTS AND WELLNESS, AND THE VISITOR CENTER HAS BEEN THERE ALL ALONG, PROVIDING THE INCREDIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT VISITORS EXPECT FROM AN UNPARALLELED DESTINATION SUCH AS SEDONA. THROUGH THE YEARS, THE VISITOR CENTER HAS USED INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES WITH REGULAR UPDATES TO ENGAGE TODAY'S VISITOR. AT ONE POINT, UH, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL, WE HAD DIGITAL KIOSKS THAT WERE INSTALLED BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE VISITOR CENTER. WE ALSO, UM, USED IPADS TO SURVEY OUR GUESTS. HOWEVER, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO, TO THE SEDONA VISITOR CENTER WANTED TO TALK TO A LIVE PERSON WHO COULD PROVIDE CUSTOMIZED EDUCATION, ITINERARIES AND ASSISTANCE BASED ON THEIR TRAVEL PARTY'S NEEDS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ISN'T A NEED FOR PERHAPS A BLENDED VISITOR CENTER APPROACH, WHERE THERE'S THE TRADITIONAL BUILDING THAT SERVES THOSE WHO SEEK IT, BUT THAT THERE ALSO COULD BE A DIGITAL OPTION OR EVEN A REMOTE VISITOR CENTER THAT, THAT, UH, MOVES AROUND TOWN TO THE AREAS OF, OF, OF, OF INTEREST. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF WAYS TO, UH, PROVIDE THAT KIND OF SERVICE. HOWEVER, I, THERE IS A VERY GOOD BENEFIT AND, AND NEED TO HAVE, UM, KIND OF A STANDING STRUCTURE THAT PEOPLE LOOK FOR WHEN THEY TRAVEL. THE VISITOR CENTER ALSO USES EVERY POSSIBLE INCH TO EDUCATE OUR GUESTS ON HOW TO RE RECREATE RESPONSIBLY. THE SERVICE IS WELL APPRECIATED. AS OUR LAST SURVEY INDICATED THAT 94% OF VISITORS WOULD RETURN TO THE VISITOR CENTER ON A FUTURE TRIP. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 33, HERE WE GO. 33 VOLUNTEERS WHO ASSIST OUR GUESTS. THAT'S DOWN FROM 80. UH, DURING THE PRE, UH, PRE PANDEMIC, WE DID HAVE A HIGHER, UH, VISITOR VOLUME, SORRY, NOT VISITOR VOLUME, BUT VOLUNTEER VOLUME. THESE VOLUNTEERS, THOUGH THEY'RE RESIDENTS, THIS IS A REALLY GREAT WAY AT THE VISITOR CENTER FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO SHARE THEIR LOVE AND PRIDE FOR COMMUNITY. THE VALUE IN DOLLARS AND THE VALUE AND FUNCTION OF HAVING SO MANY VOLUNTEERS WILLING TO INVEST THEIR TIME AND HEART AND SOUL TO HELP OUR VISITORS NEEDS TO BE EXPRESSED. IF PAID THE VOLUNTEER HOURS WOULD EQUATE TO ALMOST $190,000. [03:25:02] THE VOLUNTEERS ARE AN INCREDIBLE HUMAN ASSET THAT WOULD GO AWAY IF THE VISITOR CENTER CLOSED EIGHT OUT OF 10 MARKETING ORGANIZATIONS, DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION, OR DMO, RUN A VISITOR CENTER. THESE VISITOR CENTERS NOT ONLY PROVIDE A SERVICE TO VISITORS, THEY ALSO EVOKE CIVIC PRIDE WHEN LOCALS PROVIDE TOP-NOTCH HOSPITALITY AND VALUABLE SERVICES TO TRAVELERS, THE VISITOR CENTER SETS THE STAGE FOR HOW SEDONA IS PERCEIVED TO THE ARRIVING GUEST. WHEN THE VISITOR CENTER IS OPEN, SEDONA IS OPEN. WITHOUT THE VISITOR CENTER, THERE WOULD BE TRULY A GAPING HOLE IN THE SYSTEM OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE VISITORS, BOTH INDIVIDUALLY AND IN ORGANIZATIONS, REQUESTING INFORMATION AS WELL AS ANSWERS TO THEIR TRAVEL QUESTIONS. SO IT'S NOT ONLY JUST THE GUESTS THAT WALKS IN, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CALL AN F I T, UM, YOU KNOW, GUEST. IT IS THE OTHER TRAVEL, UM, ORGANIZATIONS. IT'S AA, IT'S, UH, CONCIERGE DOWN IN THE VALLEY. THEY SEEK US OUT. THEY SEEK THE VISITOR CENTER OUT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF COLLABORATION BETWEEN THOSE TYPES OF ENTITIES AND THE VISITOR CENTER, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, AND I, I WON'T GO THROUGH THE LIST, I KNOW YOU HAVE IT, BUT THE VISITOR CENTER DOES MUCH MORE THAN SIMPLY TALK TO GUESTS WHEN THEY WALK THROUGH THE DOOR. EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT A VISITOR CENTER IS BESIDES BEING THAT ENTITY KNOWN WORLDWIDE AS THE FIRST PLACE TO STOP WHEN YOU ARRIVE IN A NEW DESTINATION. THE STAFF ALSO SHOWCASES 350 PLUS BUSINESSES THROUGH RAT CARDS. THEY EDUCATE VISITORS ON THE TRANSIT SYSTEMS. THEY SELL RED ROCK PASSES, AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, HELP VISITORS UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF HIKING DURING SUMMER DAYS AS AN EX, AS AN EXAMPLE, OR DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER. SO THERE IS A LOT OF, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT'S SHARED, NOT JUST, UH, THE BUSINESS REFERRALS OR HOW TO EXPERIENCE IT ON A, OF COURSE, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE VISITOR CENTER STAFF SERVES AS A RECEIVER OF VISITOR COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS. SO WE FIELD THOSE AS WELL, AND WE OVERSEE ALL COLLATERAL MATERIALS AND MANAGE THE MASSIVE INVENTORY. WE REGULARLY PROMOTE THE VISITOR CENTER THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHANNELS. AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE TODAY, AND TO THAT END, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO SHARE THE, UH, VISITOR INFORMATION THAT IS REQUESTED. ONE OF THE WAYS IS SMARTPHONES. SMARTPHONES ARE ABSOLUTELY FILLING THE GAP MORE THOROUGHLY AND CONVENIENTLY NOW, MORE THAN EVER, THE INTERNET HAS CHANGED THE WAY VISITORS PLAN THEIR TRIPS. AND YES, MANY VISITORS ARE FINDING INFORMATION ONLINE. BUT WHEN YOU COUPLE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT TOURISM IS DOWN OVERALL, AND WE HAVEN'T MARKETED FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, WE ARE SEEING A DECREASE IN OUR VISITOR CENTER NUMBERS COMPARED TO SOME RECENT YEARS. THEREFORE, WE ARE ANTICIPATING IN OUR KPIS SHOWN HERE AT A SIMILAR LEVEL OF TRAFFIC VOLUME AND SERVICE LEVELS AS WE ARE, UM, LOOKING AT, AT FISCAL 23. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING IN OUR KPIS THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE NUMBERS FOR FISCAL 24, IF YOU'D LIKE DIFFERENT KPIS THAT WE ARE OPEN. JUST KNOW THAT IF WE'D WORK TOGETHER AND, AND KEEP THE VISITOR CENTER OPEN IN THIS NEXT YEAR, UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON ADDITIONAL KPIS. DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL AND THE VOLUME OR THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP THOSE. UM, WE HAVE TO JUST KIND OF SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. PERHAPS THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD CAN HELP, UM, ESTABLISH DIFFERENT KPIS THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. UM, WE JUST HAVE TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT THOSE MIGHT LOOK LIKE. BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU TO TODAY WAS A TURNKEY SOLUTION TO KEEP THE VISITOR CENTER UP AND RUNNING AS SHOWN IN OPTION ONE. AND THEREFORE, OUR KPIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH HOW WE NORMALLY OPERATE. UH, BOTH OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS ARE GOING THROUGH A TRANSITION. THERE'S, THERE ARE THINGS, UH, STEPS FORWARD THAT YOU'RE TAKING THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT. THERE'S STEPS FORWARD THAT WE'RE TAKING THAT ARE SIGN, UM, THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT. AND THIS WOULD PROVIDE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUSTAIN A VERY STRONG AND IMPORTANT COMMUNITY ASSET. YES, RESIDENTS DO GO TO THE VISITOR CENTER AND WE ASSIST THEM AS WELL. IT WOULD ALSO SUSTAIN A VERY IMPORTANT VISITOR EXPERIENCE ASSET, AND THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO FIGURE OUT OUR ULTIMATE FATE OF THE VISITOR CENTER. IF WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND GET THROUGH THIS TRANSITIONARY YEAR. OPTION TWO WOULD BE THAT WE COULD RENT THE VISITOR CENTER, [03:30:01] UM, LEASE IT TO YOU, THE SPACE. IT'S A GEM. IT'S READY TO GO. YOU OPERATE IT YOURSELVES. UM, WE DID TALK TO KAREN ABOUT THIS INITIALLY, AND IT WASN'T MET WITH, UM, AS GREAT OF AN INTEREST. UM, SO WE DIDN'T OBTAIN NUMBERS, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING. THE THIRD OPTION IS, UNFORTUNATELY CLOSING THE DOORS OF THE CENTER. CENTER. EXCUSE ME. SO WITH THAT, UM, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THE, OOPS, EXCUSE ME, THE BUDGET. UM, THE BUDGET IS FOCUSED ON OPTION ONE, WHICH IS AGAIN, SUSTAINING THE OPERATION AS IS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. UH, COMING UP STARTING JULY, YOU'LL SEE A REDUCTION IN VISITOR CENTER EXPENSES COMPARED TO FISCAL 23 OF ROUGHLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND, A HUNDRED, $100,000. UM, THAT INCLUDES A CONTINUATION OF, OF THIS PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES A CONTINUATION OF THE PROVISION OF PUBLIC RESTROOMS, AND IT DOES INCLUDE AN ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD FEE THAT COVERS THE WORK DONE BY GARY AND MYSELF WHO ARE HOUSED AT THE ADMIN OFFICE, BUT STILL WORK ON VISITOR CENTER WORK. GARY, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE BUDGET PIECE? WELL, I'M, I'M ANTICIPATING PERHAPS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET. MM-HMM. , SO I GUESS YOU COULD JUST BRING THEM ON. UM, DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. IT'S, UH, IT'S A REASONABLE BUDGET. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PRIDE AUTHORSHIP. IF I WAS DOING IT TOMORROW, IT WOULD CHANGE. IF I WAS DOING IT FRIDAY, IT WOULD CHANGE SOME MORE. UM, SO HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN YOUR QUESTIONS. TRY TO ANSWER THEM. YOU WANT THE QUESTIONS NOW OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT TILL THE END OF THE APPOINTMENT? UM, THAT IS, WELL, THAT IS THE, OKAY. YEAH. SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO START, I HAVE ONE, UH, I'LL START WITH A QUESTION. OKAY. UH, SO THE LINE, I DON'T, THERE'S NOT NUMBERS ON THESE LINES, BUT THE LINES RIGHT BELOW THE TOTAL PUBLIC RESTROOM, THE FIRST LINE SAYS SALARIES, AND THE SECOND LINE SAYS WAGES. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SALARIES AND WAGES? THE DIRECTOR AND THE MANAGER OF THE VISITOR CENTER ARE SALARIED. THERE ARE FIVE EMPLOYEES, ONE OF WHICH IS A FULL-TIME, AND THE REST ARE PART-TIME. SO THEY'RE PAID BY THE HOUR OR THEY'RE PAID BY A SALARY, AND THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE SAME NUMBER. THIS WAS CONFUSING TO BE THE SAME. OKAY. THEN I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, IF THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD, I WAS LOOKING AT VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION AND DEVELOPMENT AS $30,000. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR SOME THING THAT IS A TRANSITION. SO CAN YOU SAY WHAT THAT IS? YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A SLIDE UP THERE, AND I, I LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. 6,000 HOURS IS THREE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS. WE'RE PAYING $30,000 TO GET THREE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS. WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION DEVELOPMENT? IT'S BUYING THEM DONUTS AND BANANAS. IT'S HAVING AN ANNUAL MEETING. UH, THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE WAS AT POCO DIABLO WAS AT DINNER. IT, IT'S A LUNCH AT SOUNDBITES. UM, IT'S MORE DONUTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S LOT OF DONUTS. TRY TO THE COPS, WE SUGAR 'EM UP, WE KEEP 'EM ACTIVE, BUT IT'S, UM, THE BIGGEST EXPENDITURE IS THE ANNUAL RECOGNITION EVENT. THERE ARE ITEMS ALSO FOR FAMILIARIZATION TOURS, FAMS, WHERE OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE INVITED TO GO TO BUSINESSES AND THAT WE ENGAGE SOME COSTS RELATIVE TO THAT. YOU CAN'T GO SOMEWHERE AND NOT TIP THEM AFTER THEY FED YOU AND, UM, OR GONE ON A JEEP RIDE. SO IT, BUT THE LARGEST EXPENSE IS THE ANNUAL APPRECIATION EVENT, FOLLOWED BY A COUPLE OTHER EVENTS FOLLOWED BY JUST KEEPING 'EM FED AND HAPPY. YEAH. AND SO IS THE STAFF DEVELOPMENT $5,000 THIS EQUIVALENT OF THIS, BUT FOR STAFF? THAT IS FOR THE STAFF. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS FITS IN WITH THE CITY. I I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH HOW CITY I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS, BUT YEAH, THIS IS BIRTHDAYS AND, UM, YOU WORK A HOLIDAY, YOU GET FED, YOU KNOW, YOU WORK LABOR DAY, YOU WORK JULY 4TH. YOU WORK, YOU WORK SOME OF THESE DAYS. UM, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT HALF OF IT IS. THERE'S ALSO, UM, AN EVENT [03:35:01] FOR THE STAFF TOO. ANY MEALS AND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S, I DON'T CALL IT A CHRISTMAS PARTY, HOLIDAY PARTY DECEMBER PARTY. OKAY. AND MY LAST THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, THE, UM, ARE WE, I, DOES THIS BUDGET INCLUDE 100% OF THE COSTS OF OPERATING THE VISITOR CENTER? YES, IT, THE, IT DOES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MELISSA, I JUST SORT OF HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION. UM, I UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR PRESENTATION, UM, WHY YOU THINK THE VISITOR CENTER AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS IS IMPORTANT TO WHOMEVER IT SERVES. MM-HMM. . UM, WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT IT'S OH, IT'S AN INSTITUTION? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN I MOVED HERE, UM, THE SECOND TIME AROUND IN 2009, I MEAN, BEFORE I EVEN STARTED AT THE CHAMBER, JUST BEFORE I STARTED AT THE CHAMBER, I, I MEAN, I SAW THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS STRUCTURE. MY PARENTS LIVED IN UPTOWN AT THE TIME. SO I SAW THIS, THIS ENTITY ON THE HILL ALMOST. AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT REALLY DID SPEAK TO ME IN THE SENSE OF THAT SEDONA IS ACTIVE, IT'S SUPPORTING TOURISM. IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE OPERATION IN WHAT IT DOES. I MEAN, THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND, AND ALL THAT IT SUPPLIES TO THE VISITOR EXPERIENCES IS AMAZING. UM, I DO SEE IT AS, AS ANOTHER STRUCTURE, I REALLY DO SEE IT AS ANOTHER STRUCTURE AS THE LIBRARY OR AS, AS THE HUMANE SOCIETY. IT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY. I SEE IT AS A BIG PART OF THE COMMUNITY. WE GET A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO COME IN, THEY SAY, HEY, I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 10 GUESTS COMING IN. I'VE GOT A FAMILY REUNION COMING UP. I'VE GOT, UM, A HIGH SCHOOL REUNION, UM, SMALL GATHERING OR MIDSIZE GATHERING. HELP ME, YOU KNOW, GATHER SOME MATERIALS FOR THOSE GUESTS COMING IN. AND WE DO, WE CUSTOMIZE PACKAGES AND, AND MATERIALS THAT WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE OF VALUE TO THEM. WE PULL RACK CARDS OFF OF THE WALLS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT IT IS THAT THEIR KIND OF EXPERIENCE THEY WANT, UM, AND PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE. UM, NOT TO MENTION THAT I SEE A LOT OF VALUE IN THE, IN HOW WE ARE THAT COMMUNICATION HUB FOR VISITORS AND RESIDENTS. YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY RESIDENTS CALL US AND SAY, OH, I HEARD ABOUT THIS HAPPENING ON ADOT. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, IT, IT'S AMAZING WHAT PEOPLE THINK THE CHAMBER IS AND IS A KNOW ALL. BUT, UH, SO WE GET ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, MICHELLE, THE APRIL FIVE LETTER IN WHICH YOU ANNOUNCED YOU WERE SEVERING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CLEARLY STATED THAT YOU WERE INTENDING TO OPERATE THE VISITOR CENTER AND MANAGE VISIT SEDONA.COM GOING FORWARD, UH, AS USUAL, QUOTE UNQUOTE. UM, NOW YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, WE DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT. SO WHAT IS IT OVERALL THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IN THE FISCAL YEAR, STARTING JULY ONE? AND I WOULD SAY TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT, WHAT, UH, COMMITTED BUDGET DO YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE, UH, ANY LEVEL OF SERVICES FOR THE TOURISM BUREAU COME JULY ONE? WELL, WE'RE TALKING TODAY ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER. MM-HMM. , UM, AND WE, WE, NOT, NOT EVEN A QUARTER, THE FIRST QUARTER, I'M LOOKING AT YOU. WE HAD A BOARD MEETING LAST WEEK. WE, WE, UH, WENT THROUGH OUR ENTIRE BUDGET. WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF. THE VISITOR CENTER IS ONE PIECE OF THAT PIE. WE HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE THE DOORS AUGUST 1ST, SO IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO RAISE FUNDS BY GAINING COMMITMENTS FROM THE HOTELIERS IN TOWN, AS I UNDERSTAND. YES. AND THAT COULD RAISE A MILLION, IT COULD RAISE 2 MILLION. LIKE WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO RAISE AS REVENUE? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER, WHETHER WE REALLY NEED TO FUND THIS OR WHETHER YOU COULD FUND THIS. AND IT DEPENDS ON THE SUCCESS OF YOUR FUNDRAISING EFFORTS. WE CANNOT FUND THE VISITOR CENTER. AND, AND WITH DUE RESPECT, WE REALLY, [03:40:01] UM, APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE DETERMINED AND, UM, PROCLAIMED THAT THE CITY IS THE OFFICIAL DMO FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK AHEAD OF YOU THIS NEXT YEAR. SO WHEN IT WAS CAME TO LIGHT THAT WE REALIZED, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY SHARPENED OUR PENCILS AND LOOKED AT EVERYTHING VERY, VERY CAREFULLY, AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE VISITOR CENTER OUT OF RESPECT TO THE CITY AND THE YEARS OF PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE HAD TOGETHER. AND THIS SERVICE, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE THE OPERATIONS OF THE VISITOR CENTER AS THE OFFICIAL DMO. UM, IF YOU FEEL THAT THE VISITOR CENTER IS VALUABLE TO THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE AND THE SERVICES THAT THE DMO OFFERS, WE FELT IT WAS ONLY POLITE AND PROFESSIONAL TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A TURNKEY SOLUTION FOR THIS ONE YEAR WHILE YOU ORGANIZE YOUR NEW TOURISM BUREAU IN DMO. AND SECONDARILY, WE FELT, WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH OUR MANAGING IT AND THE KPIS WITH WHICH WE HAVE OPERATED THE VISITORS CENTER FOR IN THE PAST, WE WOULD ALSO PROVIDE YOU WITH A SECONDARY OPPORTUNITY TO RENT THE FACILITY FULLY OUTFITTED AND MANAGE IT WITH WHICH, WHICHEVER WAY YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT THE VISITOR CENTER IS NOT GOING TO BE FUNDED IT. WE ARE UNABLE TO DO IT. OKAY. I MEAN, I'M NOT GETTING MY QUESTION ANSWERED WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, AND IT'S SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE UNWILLING TO ANSWER IT. SO, UH, MAYOR, I YIELD NO, I'M ASKING A QUESTION OF WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING TO BE ABLE TO FUND? AND I THINK THAT IS A FAIR QUESTION. OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR FINANCES ARE. I'M NOT ASKING ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT IS EXPECTED OF OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WE DO BUSINESS WITH. AND IT'S JUST, I'M JUST SURPRISED BECAUSE YOUR INITIAL COMMUNICATIONS AFTER YOU SENT YOUR LETTER TO SEVER ALL SAID, HEY, THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF COMMITMENT AND ALL KINDS OF SUPPORT FOR THIS, AND NOW THERE'S NOT. AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND JUST WHAT THE SITUATION IS BECAUSE THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT STILL THINKS, WELL, WHY CAN'T YOU GET THIS FUNDED IF YOU'VE GOT THAT SUPPORT THAT YOU HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT FROM EARLY APRIL ON, WHERE IS IT? I'M SORRY, BUT THIS FEELS LIKE A QUESTION THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE MEETING THAT WE ARE SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU TO DISCUSS. IT'S NOT IN MY MIND, BUT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA GET RESOLUTION ON IT. SO THAT'S WHY I YIELDED. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. BRIAN. THE RISK OF, I DON'T KNOW. GO AHEAD, GARY SPEAKING OUTTA SCHOOL. GO AHEAD. YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOST THREE QUARTERS OF OUR FUNDING ON JULY 1ST, AND WE'RE TRYING TO REPLACE THAT. WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD AT THAT. WE HAVE NOT REPLACED THREE QUARTERS OF OUR FUNDING AS OF AS WE SIT HERE RIGHT, TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, GARY. KATHY. OKAY. UM, GARY, I THINK MY FIRST QUESTION IS FOR YOU, THE, THE BUDGET DETAILS. THERE'S TWO LINES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS, AND THE FIRST ONE DETAILS WHAT IT IS, BUT THE SECOND LINE FOR AN ADDITIONAL $10,000. WHAT'S THAT PLEASE? UTILITIES. YEAH, UTILITIES, PUBLIC RESTROOMS, WATER. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY THE UTILITIES? BIG TIME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT'S A LOT OF WATER AND YOU PAY A LOT OF SEWER. OKAY. SO IT'S, IT'S UTILITIES NOT JUST TO THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS. IT'S THE UTILITIES TO THE BUILDING. OKAY. JUST TO THE PUBLIC, THAT RESTROOM. OKAY. OKAY. WE DIDN'T ALLOCATE ANY ELECTRIC OR HEAT. IT'S JUST WATER AND SEWAGE. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD TO KNOW. AND IT'S A GEM. THE BATHROOMS ARE VERY, VERY, WE PAID FOR 'EM. UM, OKAY, NEXT QUESTIONS MORE GENERAL, THE OVERVIEW SHEET GOES THROUGH, I JUST WANNA REITERATE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S ON THERE. AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE FUNDING, UM, IF, IF THERE'S FUNDING FOR THIS, THAT YOU WOULD REMAIN COMMITTED TO THE SAME OPERATION IN TERMS OF THE 363 DAYS A YEAR AT THE SAME HOURS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY KEPT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND YOU'RE COMMITTING, IT SAYS SHOWCASE 350 NUM NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THROUGH RACK CARDS AND BROCHURES NOT RESTRICTED TO MEMBERSHIP. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLEAR AS WELL. CORRECT. AND QUESTION ABOUT YOU MANAGE AND TRAIN THE VOLUNTEERS. IF FUNDING DOESN'T COME THROUGH AND YOU CLOSE THE DOORS AUGUST ONE, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE VOLUNTEER LIST FOR THE, THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE, WHO'S IS THAT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT LIST? I'LL LEAVE THAT AS AN [03:45:01] OPEN-ENDED QUESTION. PROPERTY OF OUR ORGANIZATION, IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OF THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND TOURISM BUREAU. SO UNDER YOUR OPTION TWO THAT YOU HAD, WHICH IS, UM, POSSIBLY THE SEDONA, THE CITY RENTING IT, WOULD THE VOLUNTEER LIST BE A PART OF THAT? OR IS THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION OR IT WOULD BE UP FOR DISCUSSION? UM, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT OUR VOLUNTEERS AGREE TO OUR SHARING THEIR INFORMATION. SO WE WOULD NEED AUTHORIZATION FROM THOSE INDIVIDUALS BEFORE WE COULD, UM, GO AHEAD AND SHARE ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR IN THE PAST HAS BEEN THE, THE BUDGET OF THE CENTER, THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO THE OPERATION AND THE SALARIES AND WAGES OR PART OF YOUR PROPOSAL. UM, BUT IF WE WERE RENTING THAT FROM YOU AT FAIR MARKET, IT WOULDN'T INCLUDE SOME OF THE RESOURCES WHICH WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN PAYING FOR, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE VOLUNTEERS, IS THAT WE'RE ON. I WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE SAME WAY. I WANNA MAKE SURE, YEAH, I WOULD JUST CLARIFY IN TERMS OF THE COST, UM, THE CITY HAS NOT BEEN PAYING THE FULL PRICE OF THE MORTGAGE FOR THAT PROPERTY. YOU'VE BEEN PAYING A PORTION OF THE INTEREST. SO, UM, THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS FOR THE CITY BECAUSE WE DID NOT PASS ON THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THAT ONTO THE CITY. RIGHT. BUT WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR IN THE SERVICES ELSEWHERE IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE HAD, BUT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO, THAT'S GOING BACK IN TIME. LET'S NOT DO THAT. UM, THE COORDINATION OF 200,000, NUMBER OF ESG SHIPMENTS TO RESORT STATEWIDE, REGIONAL, LOCAL VISITOR CENTERS IN ADDITION TO AIRPORTS AND OTHER TRAVEL ORIENTED SERVICE FIRMS SUCH AS AAA OFFICES. SO CAN YOU STILL, UNDER THE BUDGET THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING HERE TODAY, YOU CAN STILL PRODUCE THOSE AND DELIVER THOSE? THAT'S PART OF THIS. I JUST WANNA BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. YOU SEE THAT AS A VISITOR CENTER FUNCTION, WE, WE, YES. UNDER OPTION ONE, WE WOULD STILL COORDINATE ALL OF THAT DELIVERY AND, AND SHIPMENT, PROBABLY ONE CAVEAT THOUGH THAT I, I'M WORKING TOWARDS CLEARING UP NOW IS THE AMOUNT OF VISITOR GUIDES THAT WE PRINT IN THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR. WE MAY NOT BE PRINTING AS MANY AS WE NORMALLY DO, UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE STILL PRINTING A VISITOR GUIDE. WE JUST MAY NOT BE PRINTING 200 OR 250,000 LIKE WE NORMALLY WOULD BE, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S CALLED FOR IN, IN YOUR PROPOSAL IS 200,000 AND THE COST FOR THAT, LET ME GET BACK TO YOU. I I, I CAN, I DEFINITELY CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. AND THERE'S CURRENT INVENTORY ALREADY AND THERE'S CURRENT INVENTORY THAT WE STILL HAVE TOO TO EXTEND INTO THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, TO GET THROUGH THIS TRANSITIONARY TIME. SO, AND THE CURRENT INVENTORY THOUGH, IS, IS WAS UNDER THE PREVIOUS PROCESS THAT YOU USED, WHICH WAS PROMOTING ONLY CHAMBER MEMBERS VERSUS CORRECT. YEAH. SO THAT OLD INVENTORY WOULDN'T MEET THE STANDARD OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? YEAH, I MEAN, IT HAS MEMBER LISTINGS IN IT. IT DOES. OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT GUIDE, 75% OF THE PEOPLE THAT RECEIVE IT IN OUR STUDIES AND OUR RESEARCH DO VISIT SEDONA. SO I MEAN, IT'S GOT AN INCREDIBLE CONVERSION RATE. IT'S A REALLY VALUABLE TOOL AND WE WOULD DO WHAT WE CAN TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP, GET UP TO THAT SAME VOLUME. BUT THAT'S THE PIECE I, I DON'T HAVE RIGHT. QUITE YET. I WAS TALKING TO MY PUBLISHER EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT TOTALLY FIRMED UP YET. BUT WE'RE LOOKING BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME BACK FOR A SEPARATE ASK. NO, BECAUSE IT'S IN YOUR PROPOSAL TODAY. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND THEN I, I WAS INTRIGUED BY A COUNSELOR DUNN'S QUESTION, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A VERY GOOD AND INSIGHTFUL QUESTION, UM, WHICH YOU ANSWERED VERY PASSIONATELY, WHICH I APPRECIATE. BUT, SO IT LEADS ME TO ASK YOU THOUGH THEN, IF 530,000 REPRESENTS 100% OF THE VISITOR'S COST VISITOR CENTER COST YOUR BUDGET, AND IF YOU FEEL SO PASSIONATELY OF ITS VALUE TO YOUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THEN ASKING THE CITY TO FUND THE A HUNDRED PERCENT, WHERE IS THE CHAMBERS SKIN IN THE GAME? WHY A HUNDRED PERCENT? WHY NOT 75% OR 50%? OR WHERE, WHERE IS THE PARTNERSHIP HERE? THIS [03:50:01] IS A FEE FOR SERVICE AND WE'RE TRYING TO OFFER YOU AN OPPORTUNITY. TRADITIONALLY, THE VISITOR CENTER SERVES AS A VISITOR MANAGEMENT TOOL. IT'S A TOOL FOR TO HELP GUIDE VISITORS WHEN THEY COME TO THE COMMUNITY. AS WE ARE NAVIGATING THIS TRANSITIONAL YEAR, AND YOU ARE ESTABLISHING THE FUNCTION AND PURPOSE OF YOUR DMO, IT WOULD BE OUR HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO DEFINE THE ROLES IN WHO WILL BE MANAGING WHAT. SO THIS, WE CANNOT DO IT THIS YEAR. SO WE FELT IF YOU ARE COLLECTING THE BED TAX AND HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE, YOU COULD BE UTILIZING IT IN A VISITOR MANAGEMENT FORM WITH FUNDING THE VISITOR CENTER, BECAUSE WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO SO IF IN WHEN WE GET, I'M ASSUMING THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT HERE, BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF DISCUSSION, IF IT CAME UP A COUNTER PROPOSAL, UM, YOU WERE PRETTY VEHEMENT BEFORE SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING $1 TO THIS. AND AGAIN, YOU MADE A PASSIONATE STATEMENT ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S NO INVESTMENT THEN IT, IT JUST, THOSE TWO THINGS DON'T GO TOGETHER. BUT IF THERE WAS A COUNTER PROPOSAL FOR A SHARED INVESTMENT IN THIS, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, BUT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO WORK IT OUT. I MEAN, WE, WE WOULD NEED TO TALK TO THE BOARD. OKAY. I'LL STOP MY QUESTIONS THERE. THANK YOU MAYOR PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I THINK I REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE HARD QUESTION. YOU GUYS ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER HARD QUESTIONS THOUGH. SO IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILOR ELLA'S QUESTION, WHICH IS A FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILORS DUNN. QUESTION. QUESTION. WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A COUNTER, A COUNTER OFFER ON THE TABLE IN THE FORM OF OUR CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH HAS BEEN PART OF THE PACKET. AND YOU HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT PART OF OUR STAFF REPORT. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, YOUR RESPONSE TO, WE, WE DID SEEK, WE DID SEE THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATION, OF COURSE. UM, WE HAD ALREADY CH UH, DISCUSSED THE OPTIONS AT THE BOARD LEVEL BASED ON THE PROPOSAL OR BASED ON THE PRESENTATION THAT WE SUBMITTED. THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT 80% NOTION AND WE JUST NEED TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION AROUND IT. IT, UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HARD AND FAST SAY ABSOLUTELY NO TO IT JUST, WE JUST NEED MORE DISCUSSION AT THE CHAMBER BOARD LEVEL. I THINK I'LL HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT LATER ON. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU JESSICA. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE, UM, TWO FULL-TIME EXEC EXEMPT STAFF, ONE FULL-TIME AND SIX PART-TIME WORKING STAFF. UM, AND YOUR TWO FULL-TIME EXEMPT STAFF, YOU HAVE A DIRECTOR AND A MANAGER FOR, YOU'VE GOT 33 VOLUNTEERS. YOU'VE GOT SORT OF SAY 40, 40 SOME PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE A DIRECTOR AND A MANAGER. WHAT DOES EACH OF THOSE DO? WELL, THE DIRECTOR CAN'T WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO THE MANAGER STEPS IN WHEN THE DIRECTOR IS NOT, IS, IS NOT THERE. UM, THE, THEY BOTH SERVE IN SUPERVISORY ROLES, BUT THE DIRECTOR HAS THE VISION AND MAKES, UH, THE ULTIMATE DECISIONS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER WORKING WITH ME. SO, UM, THE MANAGER IS AGAIN, SOMEONE WHO CAN, HAS SOME LEVEL OF AUTHORITY WHEN THE DIRECTOR IS, IS UH, OFF. OKAY. UH, TO AN EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DO WE BRING, WE BRING FANTASTIC STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS AND I, I THOUGHT YOU WERE KIND OF GOING TWO DIRECTORS TO MANAGE 35 PEOPLE. HOW DO THEY DO THAT? SO WHY WOULD YOU POSSIBLY THINK THAT? ? I DUNNO. CAUSE IF SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, THE RULE OF THUMB, YOU DON'T MANAGE MORE THAN FOUR PEOPLE, WHATEVER THAT IS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT RULES OF THUMB. I'M NOT GOING THERE. BUT TO GARY'S POINT THOUGH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I MEAN, THE VOL, THE VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT IS NO EASY, IS NO EASY TASK. I MEAN, IT TAKES A LOT TO COORDINATE AND WORK WITH THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, THAT THERE'S THE PROPER AMOUNT OF, UM, UM, MANPOWER, YOU KNOW, AT THE VISITOR CENTER ON A DAILY BASIS, [03:55:01] SOMEONE CALLS IN SICK, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE STAFF. NO, I UNDERSTAND. IT'S THE STAFFING PROCESS AND IT'S THE SAME WITH THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE LEVEL OF COORDINATION. UM, NOT TO MENTION EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THAT SHEET AS FAR AS THE OTHER SERVICE, THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE PROVIDE. NOW YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE $5,000 FOR STAFF DEVELOPMENT WAS, UM, WHY WASN'T IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET? I THINK IT WAS MR. NO, IT'S A BIG ZERO. IT'S FUNDED BY THE CHAMBER. AND IN THE CONCEPT, THIS IS KIND OF OUR CONCEPT OF FEE FOR SERVICE. AGAIN, IT COULD BE FINE TUNED, MAYBE THAT. I SEE. SO LAST YEAR YOU PAID FOR IT. YES. AND THIS YEAR YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN HERE. OKAY. UM, AND YOU GET SOME REVENUE. I UNDERSTAND. $30,000 MM-HMM. . AND YOU ARE NOT PUTTING THAT BACK IN HERE. YOU'RE TAKING THAT AS THAT. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. SOMEWHERE I READ IT WAS 80%, AND I'M TRYING TO FIND IT IN HERE AND I CAN'T FIND IT CUZ I JUST WROTE IT DOWN. NO ONE ELSE SAW THAT. IT'S JUST KAREN'S PROPOSAL. KAREN KAREN'S PROPOSAL. OH, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN WHERE HE SAW IT. OKAY. UM, HOW MANY RED ROCK, HOW MANY RED ROCK PASSES DO YOU SELL FROM THE VISITOR CENTER? BECAUSE I THINK THE RED ROCK PASSES ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AND UH, AND IT SORT OF FOR THE FOREST SERVICE AND FOR THE MANAGEMENT. SO HOW YOU BRING OUT THE BIG GUNS. YEAH. HOW MANY, HOW MANY DONNA? HI, MY NAME IS DONNA TIGAN. I'M DIRECTOR OF VISITOR SERVICES FOR THE SEDONA CHAMBER COMMERCE VISITOR CENTER. AND I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 26 YEARS. DOES IT REALLY MATTER HOW MANY WE SELL? IF I SELL A DAILY, I THE CHAMBER GETS 50 CENTS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU GET. OKAY. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICE OF HAVING THOSE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT THEM AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THE FOREST SERVICE THAT THAT BE SOLD. SO I'M ASKING YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THAT EFFORT. WE SELL HUNDREDS A WEEK. THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT, WE SELL THE DAILIES, UHHUH A WEEKLIES, UHHUH, AND WE SELL THE ANNUALS UHHUH AND THE GRAND ANNUALS AND THE NATIONAL PARK PASSES. SO YOU'RE WHAT? THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. OKAY. BECAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA OF, OF PASSES IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. IT IS. AND WE DON'T HAVE, AND SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED HOW MANY, SO YES, IT DOES MATTER TO ME HOW MANY YOU SELL. AND WHAT I HEAR IS YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE NUMBERS ON THEM, BUT YOU SELL A LOT AND YOU SELL THE FULL RANGE OF THEM. EXACTLY. WHICH MOST PLACES DON'T. IF A, IF A RESIDENT WANTS A GRAND ANNUAL, THEY GO TO THE VISITOR CENTER, THEY GO TO WEST FORK AND THEY GO TO CRESCENT MOON RANCH, THE RANGER STATION DOESN'T SELL THEM ANYMORE. SO THOSE ARE THEIR CHOICES FOR A RESIDENT. THE ANNUALS ARE, SO YOU SELL THESE PASSES TO RESIDENTS AS WELL AS VISITORS? MOSTLY THE GRAND ANNUALS ARE THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE, SO YOU PROVIDE A RESIDENT SERVICE IN, IN, IN MAKING THOSE AVAILABLE AND THE ANNUAL, THE $20 ANNUAL. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IS THE SERVICE ON SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT. , AND NOW WE, AND WE ALSO SELL TO THE $80 ANNUAL NATIONAL PARK PASS WHERE WE USED TO HAVE TO SEND THEM TO THE RANGER STATION. OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT NOW. THAT'S GREAT. WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM. WE CAN'T DO THE SENIOR PASS OR THE DISABILITY OR VETERAN UHHUH. THAT ALL HAS TO BE DONE AT THE RANGER STATION. GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DOCTOR. OKAY. UM, YEAH, SURE. OKAY. , IF YOU DON'T MIND. NO. AND SO I'M A LI NO, I I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE VISITOR'S GUIDES MM-HMM. , BECAUSE IN YOUR LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, POSTAGE DELIVERY AND FULFILLMENT, E S G, THAT WAS THE VISITOR'S GUIDES 105,000. YES. AND SO WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOING? AND YOU HAVE ZERO FOR NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO PICK UP THE COST ON TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN WITHIN YOUR BUDGET. YOU'RE JUST NOT CHARGING US FOR IT. BUT IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME THING. MM-HMM. . SO, OKAY. SO I SEE 105 [04:00:01] RIGHT OFF THE TOP, BUT I DON'T SEE A MEAN FROM THAT. I DON'T SEE A HUNDRED. WELL, ANYWAY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. UH, THE $105 IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION FROM LAST YEAR, AND YET THE REDUCTION IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL BUDGET DOESN'T REFLECT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT LEVEL OF ELIMINATION. SO, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE GOT IT DETAILED HERE WHERE YOU'VE PUT ALL THAT MONEY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THAT WAS COMING RIGHT OFF MM-HMM. , BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE PARTICULARLY REFLECTED IN THE BOTTOM, IN THE BOTTOM LINE OF YOUR ASK. CORRECT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . AND, UH, AND SO IN TERMS OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, THIS IS ENTIRELY NOW YOUR FEE FOR SERVICE MODEL. SO THIS IS YOUR STANDARD ADMINISTRATIVE FEE? UM, WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT IS SPECIFIC TO GARY AND MINE'S TIME. I SEE. SO IN YOUR FEE FOR SERVICE, YOU DON'T HAVE A GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE FEE IN MIND. THIS IS THE FIRST FEE FOR SERVICE THAT WE'RE PRESENTING. SO WE, WE HAVE NOT YET ESTABLISHED A, WHAT IS THAT FEE GOING TO BE? MODEL, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. AND IT'S, UM, 70, BASICALLY $70,000 A YEAR MM-HMM. . AND THAT WOULD COVER RECEIPT OF THE, OF, OF OUR FUNDS AND MANAGE AND, AND ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE FUNDS OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. AND REPORTING. IS THAT WHAT THAT WELL, THERE'S WHAT DOES THE ADMINISTRATIVE YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN FROM, I'LL, I'LL LET GARY SPEAK TO WHAT HE DOES FOR THE VISITOR CENTER. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I, I'M IN, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS AT THE VISITOR CENTER YEP. AND WORK WITH DONNA ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO ANY TIME I TOUCH THAT TOPIC, THAT'S WHERE I'M INVOLVED. UM, SUPERVISOR FROM A SUPERVISORY STANDPOINT, VISIONING STANDPOINT. AND GARY, DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, WHAT'S YOUR DAILY, THIS IS DIFFICULT. YES, IT IS. I, REGARDING FROM A PASS THROUGH UHHUH, WHICH WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT GOING TO FEE FOR SERVICE, WE DID, AND THIS IS OUR INITIAL STAB AT FEE FOR SERVICE. 10% SEEMED TOO LOW. 20% SEEMED TOO HIGH, 15% SEEMED APPROPRIATE. SEEMED MAMA BEAR. HUH? YEAH. I, I MIGHT'VE ASKED THE ENGINEER WHAT, WHAT'S THE OVERHEAD RATE THAT THE ENGINEERING CONSULTING FIRM CHARGES? I DON'T KNOW THAT, OH, SO THIS IS, I I'M SURE IT'S NOT 3%, BUT I DON'T KNOW. SO, AND, AND BACK TO LOSING THREE QUARTERS OF OUR FUNDING AND TRYING TO GET SOME OF IT BACK, BUT RELATED TO OUR HOURS, OUR TIME. AND AGAIN, IT'S FEE FOR SERVICE. AND, AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT FEE FOR SERVICE IS, IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEONE YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO GET THREE BIDS ON A TRUCK. TRUE. THIS IS WHERE IT'S A PROBLEM. NO, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT FRANKLY IS A BIG PROBLEM. BUT WE CAN GET INTO THAT FOR COMMENTS. YOU DONE? YOU DONE? I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. YEAH. HI THERE. HI THERE. OKAY. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, I'M A LITTLE UNSURE ABOUT THE VISITOR'S GUIDE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING THE EXISTING VISITORS GUIDE, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRINTING UP NEW VISITORS GUIDE MM-HMM. . BUT OUR MODEL THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD IS THERE'S NO, UH, PAY TO PLAY. SO WE WANT THE BUSINESSES IN THE CITY TO HAVE FREE ADVERTISEMENT IN WHAT, WHATEVER WE DO. SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION A, THAT'S THE MODEL WE'RE LOOKING AT. MM-HMM. , IS THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT. SURE. THIS, THIS REALLY IS A TRANSITIONAL YEAR. SO WE ARE TRYING TO SHIFT OVER. THERE IS EX THERE ARE EXISTING VISITOR GUIDES THAT ARE PRINTED THAT ARE THERE AND READY. SO IT IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST TO DISPOSE OF THEM AND NOT UTILIZE THEM. BUT WHILE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS DECIDE YOU WANNA CREATE YOUR OWN VISITOR GUIDE AND DO WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE, FANTASTIC. BUT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN CONTRACTED. YOU CAN NO, IT'S, IT'S FOR DISTRIBUTING THE EXISTING GUIDES. AM [04:05:01] I CORRECT? YES. YES. MICHELLE WAS TALKING ABOUT PRINTING, WORKING WITH THE PRINTERS. AND THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S AUTO US, I MEAN THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. SEE, THIS IS WHY I NEED TO EXPLAIN THAT TO, TO THE ANSWER TO FULFILL ANY REQUESTS THAT COME INTO THE VISITOR CENTER FOR THE AIRPORT OR AAA OR A O T THAT ARE ASKING FOR THOSE, THAT WE WOULD SHIP THOSE OUT ON BEHALF OF THE DESTINATION. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE NEW GUIDES. THAT'S, UH, PUTTING OUT FOR THE ONE YEAR. YOU THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH IN STOCK FOR ONE YEAR? UM, NO, THIS YEAR, THIS COMING YEAR, WE WOULD BE PRINTING SOME NEW GUIDES AS WELL. BUT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN YOUR BUDGET? THAT'S IN OUR BUDGET. OKAY. UM, I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU SAID THAT THE CARDS WOULD NOT BE RESTRICTED TO JUST MEMBERS. MM-HMM. , WHAT ELSE? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO MEMBERS? BECAUSE WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, ALL MODEL CARRIED THROUGH. IS THERE ANYTHING, OKAY, SO EXISTING GUIDES, WHAT'S THAT? JUST THE EXISTING GUIDES WHERE THERE ALREADY PRINTED WHERE THE MEMBERSHIP IS ALREADY. SO YOU DON'T WANNA WASTE IT. THAT CAN'T BE CHANGED. YEAH. WE DON'T. OKAY. BUT, SO I UNDERSTAND, I, I SAW SOMEBODY SENT ME A COPY OF A, A LETTER THAT YOU ARE PROMOTING POSTER ADVERTISING. MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S TO, FOR THE VISITOR CENTER. AND THAT'S FOR PARTNERS. MM-HMM. . SO, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU HA HAVEN'T DONE YET BEFORE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING, IT'S SOMETHING NEW. BUT IS THAT TO ANYBODY? IS THAT, OR WAS THAT TO MEMBERS? BECAUSE IT WAS SENT TO MEMBERS? SO IT'S EITHER, I MEAN, EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. I MEAN, IF YOU, IF THERE ARE, WELL WE HAVE, OOPS, I'M VERY SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S OKAY. UM, IT'S HARD TO GO TO BED . RIGHT. SORRY. UM, IF WE HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF SPACES FOR THAT POSTER ADVERTISING, THERE'S FOUR, RIGHT? FOUR, FOUR TOTAL. SO, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAIRLY RESERVED THOUGH BY THE, BY THE MEMBERSHIP ALREADY, I BELIEVE. BUT I'M JUST, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION MM-HMM. , COULD ANOTHER NON BUSINESS, NON-MEMBER BUSINESS PARTICIPATE IN THAT? I WOULD THINK SO, YES. THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. THERE'S YEAH. THE USAGE OF IT, RIGHT. JUST LIKE OUR MEMBERS DO. YEAH. THEY PAY FOR THAT. AND IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY STORE GO ANY CUSTOMER GOING INTO A TRAVEL AGENT AND PUTTING A EXACTLY. OKAY. SO, SO IT WOULD NOT BE RESTRICTED TO CHAMBER MEMBERS. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S FAIR. DID YOU WANT TO, ARE YOU OKAY? I'M NOT DONE YET. UM, OKAY. I THINK THAT THAT COVERS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LETTER, WHICH I HAD SOME ISSUES WITH TOO, BUT YOU EXPLAINED THAT, UM, OH, IN YOUR LIST, YOU, YOU'RE SHOWING PARTICIPATION. WE ALL, WE KNOW THAT THE AMOUNT OF GUESTS, VISITORS, OR WHOEVER THAT COME INTO THE VISITOR CENTER HAS BEEN DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY OVER FOR WHATEVER TIME PERIOD, UH, FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. BUT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING THAT NUMBER INCREASING. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET UP HERE. OKAY. UH, WALK-INS TO GO FROM A HUNDRED TWENTY SEVEN FIVE TO 150,000. HOW ARE YOU COMING UP WITH THAT? HOW WOULD, YEAH, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY, UH, HERE THEY GO TO THAT SLIDE. MM-HMM. . SO THAT IS WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS THAT WE WE'RE NOT, NOW THE, THE AMOUNT OF VISITORS COULD INCREASE, THE AMOUNT OF WALK-INS COULD INCREASE. WE'RE HOPING WE'VE GOT THIS MARKETING CAMPAIGN GOING ON WITH THE SEDONA VERDE VALLEY MARKETING ALLIANCE AND THE LODGING COUNCIL THAT'LL HOPEFULLY MOVE THE NEEDLE SOME. AND THEN OF COURSE WE ARE LOOKING AT MARKETING AS WELL. SO THAT NUMBER COULD GO UP. BUT JUST COMING OUT OF THE GATE, AFTER HAVING BEEN OUT OF THE MARKET FOR A FEW YEARS, WE WERE CONSERVATIVE. AND WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS THAT THE FISCAL 23 YEAR TO DATE NUMBER, THIS IS THROUGH APRIL, IS, IS ABOUT 85% OF THE TARGET. SO ACTUALLY I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THAT OUR ANNUAL TARGET THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE THE SAME AS NEXT YEAR. SO IT'S, WE'RE WE'RE TARGETING 150,000 THIS YEAR, AND I'M ANTICIPATING A SIMILAR VOLUME NEXT YEAR. SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT ANTICIPATING, I'M BEING CONSERVATIVE. I'M NOT ANTICIPATING AN INCREASE. OKAY. JUST AGAIN, A CONSERVATIVE GOAL. UM, SAME THING WITH THE VISITOR. UH, PHONE AND EMAIL INQUIRIES. OUR GOAL THIS YEAR WAS 7,500. WE'RE THROUGH APRIL, AROUND 73%. SO WE'RE LOOK LIKE, [04:10:01] LOOKING LIKE WE CAN PROBABLY MEET THAT SAME GOAL NEXT YEAR. OKAY. IT JUST TAKES TIME. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN OUT, WE HAVEN'T BEEN MARKETING FOR A COUPLE YEARS. IT OFTEN TAKES, UH, MUCH LONGER THAN THAT TO, TO REALLY START TO SEE SOME FRUITION. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO, OH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, DID YOU, DONNA, DID YOU SAY THAT THE FOUR POSTERS ARE ALREADY RESERVED? THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE, THEY GET 'EM FROM MONDAY TILL THE FOLLOWING MONDAY. THEY HAVE IT ROTATES EVERY WEEK. MM-HMM. . OH, OKAY. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. OH YEAH. I THOUGHT THEY'RE UP ON A WALL FOR A YEAR. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. SO HOW LONG ARE THEY UP FOR? IF THEY WANT IT FOR A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS, THAT'S USUALLY THE MAXIMUM. LIKE IF SOMEBODY'S HAVING AN EVENT, THEY WANT IT UP A LITTLE BEFORE LIKE THE YOGA FESTIVAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT UNTIL THE END. AND THERE'S TWO ON THE PATIO AND THERE'S TWO BY THE RESTROOM. SO IF THEY HAVE TWO SIGNS, YOU KNOW, WE PUT ONE ON THE PATIO AND ONE BY THE RESTROOM. SO IT GETS A LOT OF VISIBILITY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT CLARIFIES THAT. UH, SO PETE ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER AN 80 20 FUNDING. MM-HMM. , I, I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IF WE'RE PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST OF THE VISITOR CENTER, WHY SHOULD YOU EARN REVENUE FROM IT? THAT WE'RE PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF IT. AND WHY WOULDN'T THAT REVENUE BE PART OF THE 20%? YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE WILLING TO DO THAT AN OFFSET TO, TO THE COSTS, BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COSTS. MM-HMM. , AND THIS WOULD JUST GO TO WHAT BUSINESS DOES BUSINESS AT A PASS THROUGH. THIS IS A BUSINESS AND WE'VE BEEN PASSING THROUGH SERVICES FOR YEARS. THAT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS. HOME FOODS ISN'T SELLING ME MY MILK AT COST. OKAY. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE IN ESSENCE RENTING THIS FACILITY AND EVERYTHING IN IT. THAT'S THE CONTRACT. OKAY. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BY THE WAY, THAT'S, I REALLY AGREE WITH YOU. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS A SMART THING TO DO, BUT NOW WE ARE RENTING THE WHOLE THING. SO IN THIS IS WHERE WE GOT INTO TROUBLE. THE LAST, THIS IS, THIS IS THE NUT OF OUR ISSUES, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND IT STILL CONCERNS ME THAT IT'D BE ONE THING IF WE WERE PAYING 80%, BUT IF WE'RE PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT, I DON'T SEE HOW THERE'S REVENUE FOR YOU IN US PAYING THE ENTIRE BILL THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A RUB. IT'S A REAL RUB. SO I WAS, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND, AND THAT IS THE, THE BASIS OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACED OVER THE YEARS AND, AND, BUT REALLY AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS CHOSEN TO GO INDEPENDENTLY, WHO HAS SAID NO THANK YOU TO 75% OF OUR REVENUE, IT'S NOT IN THE, IT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS SENSE TO DO WORK FOR JUST TO DO WORK. WE'RE, THERE'S A VALUE OF OUR RUNNING THAT FOR YOU AND TAKING THAT OFF OF THE PLATE. THAT'S WHY WE GAVE YOU THE OPTION OF A TURNKEY SOLUTION. IF YOU WANNA RUN IT YOURSELF, NO PROBLEM. WE HAVE THAT OPTION AS WELL. BUT IF WE ARE TO RUN IT, THE BOARD FEELS STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO TO BE RUNNING THIS WITH BEST PRACTICES OF BUSINESS. IF I RENT AN APARTMENT FROM A LANDLORD, THE LANDLORD DOESN'T GETS THE RENT, THE LANDLORD DOESN'T GET THE RENT. PLUS BEING ABLE TO PUT UP A SIGN IN MY HOUSE AND GET REVENUE FROM THAT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK, BUT THE RENT IS TYPICALLY COSTING MORE THAN THE MORTGAGE AND THE INSURANCE AND THE UTILITIES. WELL THAT'S WHAT YOUR FEE IS DESIGNED TO COVER. AND DO YOU GET 30 VOLUNTEERS WITH YOUR RENT PAYMENT? I GET AN APARTMENT AND SOMETIMES I GET A FURNISHED DEPARTMENT WITH EVERYTHING IN IT AND I PAY EXTRA FOR HAVING A FURNISHED DEPARTMENT. SO WE'RE PAYING EXTRA TO HAVE A FURNISHED DEPARTMENT, BUT THE LANDLORD DOESN'T GET TO GIVE ME THE ART ON MY WALLS AND CHARGE ME FOR IT JUST BECAUSE I'M GONNA DO THAT. THAT'S IT. OKAY. WE HAVE SOME CARDS. THIS BE THE SAME. DONNA, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO RELINQUISH FOR A FEW MINUTES. UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT TYLER CARSON LEFT. DID HE COME BACK? HE SENT AN [04:15:01] EMAIL. SENT AN EMAIL. OH, THAT'S HIS EMAIL. OKAY. I DIDN'T GET, I'VE BEEN UP HERE. I DIDN'T READ THESE. CHERYL BARRON FRONT AND CENTER. CHERYL, YOU KNOW THE THE DRILL. I DO KNOW THE DRILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT. SO MANY AREAS THAT I COULD COMMENT ON, BUT I'M GONNA JUST FOCUS ON THE WORD AMENITY. SEDONA IS A DESTINATION AND ALL DESTINATIONS HAVE FREE AMENITIES FOR THE GUESTS THAT COME TO VISIT THEIR TOWNS FOR COMPARISON. YOU GO TO A RESORT AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY HERE HAS BEEN TO A RESORT. THERE ARE EXTRAS THAT YOU EXPECT WHEN YOU PAY THAT FEE. UM, YOU DON'T WANT THE HOTEL TO BE NICKEL AND DIMMING YOU TO DEATH. THINGS LIKE FREE WIFI, 24-HOUR ROOM SERVICE, A POOL, CONCIERGE SERVICES, EXECUTIVE LEVEL LOUNGES. THESE THINGS ARE FREE TO THE GUESTS, BUT THERE'S A COST TO THE HOTELS. A DESTINATION IS SIMILAR IN THAT WHEN WE TRAVEL TO A BEAUTIFUL DESTINATION, WE EXPECT THERE TO BE PUBLIC RESTROOMS. SORRY, I GET WINDED UP HERE. TAKE YOUR TIME. OKAY. SIGNAGE TO THE GUESTS TO DIRECT US TO FREE PARKING LOTS CONNECTIVITY, GOOD ROADS AND SIDEWALKS THAT ARE SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND SAFE DRINKING WATER STATIONS. ESPECIALLY IN ARIZONA, THESE THINGS ARE ALSO FREE TO THE GUESTS IN OUR TOWN. BUT THERE'S A COST TO THE CITY. THESE THINGS FALL UNDER DESTINATION MANAGEMENT. OUR VISITOR SENATOR IS AN AMENITY. THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN EXPECTATION THAT THIS ENTITY WOULD BE A PROFITABLE BUSINESS. THEY SELL $30,000 WORTH OF MERCHANDISE. IT'S NOT REALLY A PROFITABLE THING. IT'S AN AMENITY. AN AMENITY, AN AMENITY THAT ALLOWS US TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CITY, THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS INITIATIVES TO OUR GUESTS. FOR INSTANCE, THE SEDONA SHUTTLE, THE VERDE SHUTTLE, REDIRECTING GUESTS TO AVOID TRAVEL, UH, SORRY. TRAIL OVER USAGE EXPLAINING RED ROCK PASS, WEEKLY PASS, DAILY PASS, NATIONAL PARK PASS, GRAND PASS, GRAND ANNUAL PASS. THOSE THINGS, IT'S HARD TO GOOGLE THOSE THINGS. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN SEDONA. AND WHEN YOU SAY THE VISITOR USAGE IS LOW COMPARED TO VISITORS IN TOWN, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE 236 WALK-IN VISITORS IN 2022 AND 12,000 PHONE OR EMAIL CONVERSATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE OUT OF THE VISITOR CENTER, UM, IS AMONGST THE HIGHEST NUMBERS IN ARIZONA FOR ANY VISITOR CENTER. THIS IS AN AMENITY THAT IS PAID FOR BY THE VISITORS WHO COME TO THIS AREA AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. THIS IS ALL PART OF THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE. AND ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA LODGING COUNCIL AND ALL OUR HOTEL PARTNERS, WE REQUEST THAT THE BED TAX MONEY THAT YOU CHOSE TO KEEP THOSE DOLLARS THAT ARE FUNDING THE VISITOR CENTER FOR YEARS CONTINUE TO DO SO MOVING FORWARD. IT'S UP TO YOU TO WORK WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO DETERMINE HOW IT'S RAN MOVING FORWARD, NOT WHETHER IT WILL EXIST IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. CHERYL. I NEED YOU TO DO YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT. YOU DIDN'T OH, MY NAME IS CHERYL BARRON. I'M A RESIDENT AND A BUS SMALL BUSINESS OWNER OF SEDONA. THANK YOU. MARY, YOU'RE UP. ME? YES MA'AM. OKAY. YOU'LL KNOW YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. MY NAME IS MARY LEASE. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE, UH, RURAL SEDONA AREA AND I ALSO MANAGE A SMALL BUSINESS HERE IN TOWN. SO I HAD IT ALL PLANNED OUT. WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY AND THEN I CHANGED MY MIND. IT'S ALRIGHT. I'M NOT READING OUT THE CARD. YOU KNOW, THIS WAS REALLY A GOOD MEETING TILL ABOUT 20 MINUTES AGO. UM, I'VE BEEN IN THESE ROOMS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE THE INTEREST. UM, THIS IS A NEW KIND OF DYNAMIC FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND I REALLY COMMEND THE CHAMBER FOR HAVING THE BRAVERY TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, HEY LISTEN, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU. THE CITY. THAT VISITOR CENTER IS CRITICAL. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME Y'ALL SPEND UPTOWN, BUT I GO THERE QUITE OFTEN. I SEND PEOPLE THERE, I GET PEOPLE FROM THERE. I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU ONE NIGHT THAT SAID, WHAT'S THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT OF THE, OF THE VISITOR CENTER? I GET REFERRALS FROM THEM. THESE GUYS GET REFERRALS FROM THEM. WHAT'S THE RETURN TO YOU ON THE VISITOR CENTER? MAYBE NOT ANYTHING BUT TO THE BUSINESSES, WHICH IS WHAT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE'S FUNCTION IS. THERE IS A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT [04:20:02] AND WE VALUE THAT. VISITORS COME HERE, THEY NEED ONE PLACE WITH HUMANS, WITH THESE VOLUNTEERS, THESE RESIDENTS, THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, THAT'S WHO THEY WANNA TALK TO. THEY COME TO MY SHOP, THEY WANNA TALK TO ME BECAUSE I'M FAMOUS ON THE INTERNET FOR TALKING TO PEOPLE. THEY WANT PEOPLE AND WE NEED GOOD PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO EDUCATE, TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES IN TOWN. HEY, HELP US OUT. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? VOLUNTEERISM? OR WHATEVER THE BIG WORD IS. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I CALL IT LET'S EDUCATE PEOPLE. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR GROUPS DO. AND WE'RE WORKING HARD FOR THAT. I FULLY SUPPORT THAT VISITOR CENTER AND I WILL HELP THESE GUYS ANY WAY I CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT VISITOR CENTER STAYS INTACT AS FAR AS THE POLITICS AND ALL THIS AND THIS AND THAT. WE WANT PEOPLE TO MAKE GOOD INFORMED CHOICES AS OUR LEADERS. WE'RE COUNTING ON YOU TO MAKE GOOD INFORMED CHOICES AS OUR LEADERS FOR BUSINESS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND LET THE BUSINESSES HELP THE RESIDENTS. I DO EVERY DAY. THEY DO EVERY DAY. YOU HAVE 30 TO 40 VOLUNTEERS THAT COME AS RESIDENTS TO COME HELP BUSINESS. I NEED FOR YOU GUYS TO DO THAT. I NEED YOU TO HELP US SUPPORT BUSINESS AND EDUCATE AND SHOW TEAM IN THIS TOWN INSTEAD OF CONSTANT DIVISIVENESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MARY. I GOT A LAST MINUTE CARD. I DON'T KNOW IF HE, MAYBE HE LEFT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL AROUND THAT GUY. MARTINEZ. JOHN MARTINEZ. ARE YOU STILL IN THE IN? YEAH. OKAY. CAN YOU FIND YOUR WAY UP TO THE PODIUM? YOU'RE UP. STOP TALKING. COME ON, LET'S GO. IT'S GOT LATE ME . YOUR NAME AT CITY OF RESIDENCE. OH, THAT'S DIFFERENT. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PART. OKAY, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINEZ. I LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA SDEL. I, UH, MARY TOOK A LOT OF STUFF I WANTED TO SAY, BUT THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM, YOU KNOW WHAT IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO NOW I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK KAREN AND I AGREE PROBABLY 95% OF THE TIME ON, ON THE LOT OF THESE ISSUES, THE AIN'T ONE OF 'EM. GRAHAM, WHAT IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THIS, YOU CALL UP SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER OR THEY, UH, FORWARD YOU TO SOMEBODY ELSE. AND WHEN YOU GET FINALLY OFF THE PHONE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE WORST CUSTOMER SERVICE YOU'VE EVER HAD. THAT IS WHAT THE SEDONA VISITOR CENTER DOES. IT PROVIDES GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FOR THAT BUSINESS OR THIS BUSINESS OR WHATEVER. THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND I KNOW SPEAKING WITH, UH, A NUMBER OF THE VOLUNTEERS, IN FACT, UM, I AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I JUST CAME BACK FROM EGYPT AND I WENT TO, OF THE VOLUNTEERS FOR THE VISITOR CENTERS WAS ON THAT. AND I ASKED THEM POINT BLANK, IF THE CITY WAS TO TAKE OVER THE THE VISITOR CENTER, WOULD YOU VOLUNTEER? I SAID, NO, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THE MAJORITY OF YOUR VOLUNTEERS. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO START PAYING FOR THAT. AND IT'S GONNA BE A HECK OF A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING DOWN RIGHT NOW WITH THE $530,000. AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, FY 24. YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS ON YOUR PLATE TO TRY AND GET YOUR D M M O UP AND GOING. YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOMETHING ESTABLISHED THAT WORKS. THAT WORKS. YOU DON'T WANT ONE MORE THING TO WORRY ABOUT CUZ OR ELSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HECK OF A LOT OF COMPLAINTS AND YELP. OH MY GOODNESS. YELP CAN DO A LOT OF DAMAGE TO A LOT OF BUSINESSES IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY PROVIDE. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ONE YEAR. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 25 AND 26, WE'RE TALKING JUST THIS TRANSITIONAL PERIOD THAT EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT. SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GET A BETTER RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT FOR THIS THAN WHAT YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING ON RUNNING THE SEDONA SHUTTLE. BUT I AGREE WE NEED THE SEDONA SHUT TO GET THINGS OFF, BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING A BIG RETURN ON THAT ONE. YOU'RE GONNA GET, CONTINUE TO GET A GOOD RETURN. CUZ I SHOWED YOU BRIAN, WHAT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WAS FOR PRIOR THINGS WITH REGARD TO THE CHAMBER. SO WE'RE TALKING ONE YEAR. WE'RE JUST TALKING ONE YEAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JOHN. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SHARE THEIR [04:25:01] OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS AND FEELS AND PASSION? OKAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. ANYBODY WISH TO GO FIRST? SEEING ALL THESE HANDS POP UP AT ONE TIME? I, I HAVE A COUPLE JUST FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS BEFORE I'M EVEN READY FOR MY OWN COMMENTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, UM, DONNA, MAYBE YOU COULD ANSWER THIS, PLEASE. ARE YOU STILL THERE? UH, I KNOW I I'M NOT THE ONE WHO BUYS THE ANNUAL PASS IN MY HOUSEHOLD. SOMEONE ELSE DOES THAT. SO FORGIVE ME FOR NOT KNOWING, BUT I KNOW I USED TO BE ABLE YEARS AGO GET THE SAME PASS AT LIKE BOSCH'S. IS THAT NOT THE CASE ANYMORE? NO, MA'AM. YOU CAN ONLY GET THE DAILY AND THE WEEKLY AT B'S. OKAY. NOT THE ANNUAL. SO THE ANNUAL THAT ALSO ALLOWS THE VISITATION AT THE OTHER SITES WHERE OTHER THAN THE VISITOR CENTER COULD THAT BE ACCESSED? THE ANNUAL, JUST THE $20 ANNUAL? I THINK IT'S THE FOREST SERVICE. THAT'S IT. ONLY UHHUH, OUT THE RADIATION AND US AND SAME THING WITH THE GRAY AND THE ONE FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE, FOR FOR RED ROCK CROSSING AND FOR, THAT'S WEST FORK, CRESCENT MOON RANCH TO US. NOT THE RANGER STATION ANYMORE. THEY'RE DOING THAT. BUT IT'S AVAILABLE THROUGH YOU. MM-HMM. . OKAY. OKAY. THAT WAS A QUESTION I JUST NEEDED, I NEED TO BE EDUCATED ON. THANK YOU. AND ANOTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO WHAT WAS SAID, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED AGAIN BY THE POSTERS BEING ALREADY RESERVED. WHAT HAPPENS IF THE, SO IS THAT, THAT'S ALREADY IN YOUR REVENUE THAT PEOPLE PRESERVE THE SPACES FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR POSTER DISPLAY AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THE DOORS CLOSE ON AUGUST 1ST TO THAT REVENUE? THEY, I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE ALREADY COLLECTED THAT. NO, I HAVEN'T. WE HAVEN'T. I'VE JUST BEEN BILLING, I JUST BILLING MONTHLY. OKAY. SO LIKE NTI LIKE EVERY OTHER MONTH. SO I JUST BILL THEM FOR LIKE MAY. OKAY. BUT I HAVEN'T BILLED THEM FOR JUNE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T PUT THE POSTERS OUT YET. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION ON THOSE ISSUES AND I JUST, I I'M GONNA MAKE OTHER COMMENTS, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE TO START WITH AND THEN YIELD AND ONE, HERE'S SOME OF WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK AS WELL, BUT JENNIFER WAS MOVED BY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE BEST BUSINESS MODEL PRACTICES THAT YOU WANNA EMPLOY. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. THAT'S, I'M ALL FOR THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK FOR IN EVERY OTHER VENDOR THAT WE'RE, WE DEAL WITH. WHERE I STRUGGLE FOR ME IS, IS THE MODEL. IT'S, IT'S CHANGING TIMES. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, ACTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CHAMBER'S DONE OR ANYTHING BUT CHANGING TIMES THAT THE, THE MODEL HERE IS THAT LESS THAN 5% OF THE TARGET AUDIENCE IS, IS SERVED BY THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE OF THE VISITOR CENTER. IF YOU THINK ABOUT, I THINK IF YOU'RE AT WITH 3.5 MILLION ANNUAL VISITORS AND YOU HAVE 15, 150,000 PEOPLE ACTUALLY WALK IN THE DOOR, THAT'S 4.3% AND ON ANOTHER 0.2% FOR THE 7,500 PHONE PHONE CALLS OR IS THAT EMAILS ESTIMATED ANNUALLY AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER LESS THAN 2%, UM, FOR WHICHEVER THE OTHER ONE IS. SO I MEAN, ALTOGETHER THAT'S LIKE FOUR POINT 705%. SO I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IN A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL OF GETTING VALUE FOR A DOLLAR ABOUT INVESTMENT IN THAT, IF IT'S SERVING SUCH A LOW, I'M ALSO MOVED BY THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UM, FROM MARY FROM BARLOW. YES. WE WANT REFERENCE REFERRALS TO HAPPEN TO AREA BUSINESSES. AGAIN, ALL AREA BUSINESSES. SO THIS IS A STRUGGLE AND I JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE TO FRAME WHERE I THINK SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WHERE I'LL BE LISTENING AND WANTING TO CONTRIBUTE FURTHER IS KNOW THAT THAT STRUGGLE EXISTS WITHIN ME AT THE MOMENT THAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. MAY I RESPOND? YEAH, YEAH. THANKS. AND, AND I, I REALLY RECOGNIZE THAT, AND WE'VE TALKED, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY HOURS OVER THE LAST YEAR ABOUT VARIOUS KPIS AND PERFORMANCE METRICS. AND WE'VE UTILIZED WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN THE INDUSTRY AS THE INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES BY DMAP AND THESE OTHER A O T AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. BUT I LOOK AT THIS NEXT YEAR AS WE EVOLVE AND YOU SET UP YOUR VISION AND MISSION FOR YOUR TOURISM BUREAU, THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO EVALUATE AND COME UP WITH DIFFERENT WAYS. UM, BUT I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE IT ALL OVERNIGHT. UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS WE HAVE, BUT IF THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT WE, YOU FEEL WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO BETTER [04:30:02] DOCUMENT THE, REFER THE, THE ADDED VALUE OF REFERRALS TO THE BUSINESSES AND SO FORTH, THAT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE EXPLORED GOING FORWARD ON EITHER SIDE PARTY'S BEHALF LIKE YOU DONE, KATHY? YES, FOR NOW. OKAY. JUST WANT TO INTERRUPT. THANK YOU. I LEAD OFF. YOU GOT IT. WELL TALK ABOUT A VALUE FOR A DOLLAR. WE COULD GO ANYWHERE. WE'RE KIND OF DETERMINED TO GO ON THAT. AS FAR AS I CAN SEE. WE COULD LOOK AT IT AS IT ONLY SERVES LESS THAN 5% OF THE VISITORS, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT SERVES A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF ANY VISITOR WHO GOES UPTOWN AND MAY IN FACT BRING VISITORS UPTOWN AND PROVIDE, PROVIDE THE BUSINESSES UPTOWN WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS TO A GREAT, TO GREAT DEGREE. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. UM, IT VALUES FOR A DOLLAR. I MEAN, I THINK THAT COMES DOWN FOR ME, WHAT IS GOVERNMENT'S ROLE? UM, GOVERNMENT'S ROLE DOESN'T ALWAYS END UP WITH L IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY 4%. AND, BUT FOR THOSE 150,000 PEOPLE WHO WALK IN, PLUS I DIDN'T KNOW. I ACTUALLY DID KNOW, KNOW ABOUT THE RESIDENTS AND ABOUT THAT WHOLE AREA. AND I REALLY RESONATE WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD DO IF, IF, IF I WAS IN THAT POSITION. AND AS I SAID, I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RED ROCK PASSES AND THOSE PASSES. PEOPLE HAVE TO KNOW WHERE TO GET. THEY NOT, PEOPLE CAN'T REALLY, REASONABLY, THEY CAN'T. I MEAN, WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT. SAY WE GOT TO THE RANGER STATION, IT'S 20 MILES DOWN THAT ROAD. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FACT THAT IT'S THERE, IT'S CENTRALIZED, IT, IT, IT CAN BE EXPLAINED IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK IS THAT A VALUE FOR A DOLLAR? AND I WOULD ARGUE IT IS A VALUE FOR A DOLLAR, UM, FOR CERTAINLY FOR, FOR RESIDENTS WHO, WHO MIGHT WANNA DO IT. SO FOR ME, GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IS TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES. NOW THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY RETURN, YOU KNOW, ONE FOR ONE EVERY DOLLAR ON THE DOLLAR, BUT IT MAY IN FACT SIGNIFICANTLY PROVIDE SUPPORT TO OUR BUSINESSES, UM, TO MANAGE TOURISTS. I THINK THAT'S WORTH MONEY. UM, OR MANAGING OUR VISITORS. IS THAT, IS THAT GOING TO PAY US BACK? PROBABLY NOT IN, IN DOLLARS RIGHT THERE ON THE COUNTER. UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT ROLE OF GOVERNMENT. AND I THINK THAT THE VISITORS CENTER IS AN ESTABLISHED IN, IS AN ESTABLISHED DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE WHO VISIT, WHO GOING SOMEWHERE. AND I KNOW IT'S, IT CAN BE SAID, AND I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT PEOPLE DON'T GO THERE ANYMORE, THEY USE THEIR CELL PHONES. WELL, THAT'S TRUE OF SOME PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE. UM, BUT I ALSO THINK IT PROVIDES, IT PROVIDES A REAL SERVICE. IS THAT A VALUE FOR THE DOLLAR? I THINK SO. IT SERVES RESIDENTS. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING. GOVERNMENT DOES VALUE FOR THE DOLLAR, I THINK. SO IF, IF, IF RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY GET THEIR PASSES, THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN GET HELP FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO WHEN GRANDMA COMES TO TOWN. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL REALLY USEFUL. UM, I DON'T HANG OUT AT THE VISITOR'S CENTER, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE OTHER PEOPLE DO. AND I THINK THAT PETE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I ALSO THINK, AND I'M THAT THE RESTROOMS ARE AN INCREDIBLE OF VALUE FOR THE DOLLAR. YEAH. I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY WORTH SOMETHING. SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT YOUR VALUE FOR THE DOLLAR, I'M LOOKING FAIRLY WIDELY OVER WHAT IS GOVERNMENT'S ROLE ACTUALLY IN A COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT THE VISITOR CENTER CAN BE ARGUED, AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE VISITOR CENTER PROVIDES A VERY, VERY GOOD RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IS NOT WHAT A BUSINESS WOULD DO. A BUSINESS WOULDN'T DO THIS , YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S, IF A BUSINESS WOULD DO IT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO IT. AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE MONEY. SO, UM, I I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN TORN THIS WHOLE PROCESS BY THE ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY ELSE ON THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN RAISING. I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, THIS OR THAT, OR THIS OR THAT. THIS LINE ITEM'S [04:35:01] TOO HIGH. YOU KNOW, WE HAD $105, A HUNDRED DOLLARS, $105,000 REDUCTION, BUT IT WAS ONLY A $30,000 REDUCTION IN THE CONTRACT. WHAT'S ABOUT THAT? UM, I LOOKED AT THE COMPARISON THAT KEEGAN AND KAREN SENT US OF THE, OF THE OTHER CHAMBERS. AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS, THE COST HERE, I THINK THESE ARE HIGHER. UM, AND I, I HAVE, I HAVE ISSUES WITH CERTAIN OF THE LINE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET. UM, I, THE $30,000 FOR VISITOR APPRECIATION, THAT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF VOLUNTEER. I'M IN A VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION. THAT'S A LOT OF NICE APPRECIATION, BUT I, YEAH, DON MY TURN , UM, WHAT DID I SAY? NOW YOU, SO ANYWAY, UM, SO WHY I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH CERTAIN LIGHT ITEMS OF THIS BUDGET. I CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THIS BASICALLY SERVES YOUR CLIENTELE. IT SERVES THE BUSINESSES. UM, AND SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE FEE FOR SERVICE ISSUE, I ALSO, MOST OF THE FEE FOR SERVICE THINGS ARE MOST OF THE CONTRACTS THAT WE ENTER INTO WHEN WE ENTER INTO ONE WITH KIMLEY HORN. IT DOESN'T SERVE KIMLEY HORN'S, CONSTITUENTS. UM, BECAUSE THIS GOES BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE VERY CONFLICT IN IN OUR RELATIONSHIP. I MEAN, THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. WHILE I UNDERSTAND FEE FOR SERVICE, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE YOUR, THESE ARE YOUR PEOPLE. THESE ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS. THEY'RE THE BUSINESSES IN SEDONA. AND SO I'M STILL KIND OF TORN BY THAT. UM, WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE IS I, I HAVE SUCH BRILLIANT THINGS TO SAY HERE. OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT, AS I SAID, I THINK, I THINK THE REAL BENEFIT OF THE VISITOR CENTER FOR THE 150,000 PEOPLE WHO DROP IN IS VISITOR MANAGEMENT. I THINK TELLING PEOPLE WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T GO AND WHERE THEY SHOULD GO. AND WHILE I, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STILL RESCUED OFF THE MOUNTAINS, , THEY'RE PROBABLY PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T GO TO THE VISITOR CENTER, WHO JUST LOOKED ON THEIR CELL PHONES. UM, SO I, IN, IN THE END, AFTER GOING BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, I THINK, I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE, REGARDLESS OF WHO SAID WHAT TO WHOM WHEN OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND WHO SHOULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY AND WHY DID THIS HAPPEN THIS WAY? AND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE YOUR BED, YOU LIE IN IT. I THINK IT'S BEST IN THE BEST INTEREST OF SEDONA AND OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND OF OUR VISITORS THEMSELVES IN HAVING A WAY TO TOUCH BASE WITH THEIR INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE. I THINK I SUPPORT FUNDING THE VISITOR CENTER AT LEAST FOR A YEAR WHILE WE TALK ABOUT MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE 80%. UM, I THINK, I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S CLEANER. I JUST THINK IT'S CLEANER. IF WE HAVE A CONTRACT AND WE PAY FOR IT. UM, I THINK OTHERWISE WE GET BACK IN THAT SAME COULD. WHAT ARE YOU PAYING FOR? WHAT AM I PAYING FOR? WHAT ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE HAVE WITH ALL OF OUR CON WITH THAT WE'VE HAD WITH YOU BEFORE? SO IS HARD. THIS WAS REALLY HARD FOR ME. AND I, LIKE I SAID, CAME BACK FORTH, BUT I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK IT CLARIFIED IN MY MIND WHICH SIDE I WAS GONNA GONNA COME ON. THIS WAS AN INSTANCE WHERE I HAD NO IDEA WHAT I WAS, HOW I WAS GONNA COME OUT. AND NOW I HAVE COME OUT, I THINK THE VISITOR CENTER IS AN IMPORTANT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AND THEY ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS. AND SO I QUESTIONED THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, BUT I COME DOWN ON THE, THAT'S WHAT GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IS. SO I SUPPORT FUNDING THIS. THANK YOU JESSICA, PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING. YOU SIT THROUGH THESE MEETINGS AND YOU'RE RIGHT DOWN. LOTS OF COMMENTS. YOU TRY TO STRING 'EM TOGETHER HERE ON THE DIOCESE. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU DO. INTERESTING. IT'S AN INTERESTING PROCESS. I SIT, I, UM, WHERE DO I WANNA START HERE? I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THE VISITOR CENTER OFFERS SORT OF THE CITY, THE RESIDENTS OR COMMUNITY AND OVERALL SOME VALUE. I, I, I THINK THAT'S UNMISTAKABLE. I BET WE ALL SHARE THAT THAT VIEW VISITOR CENTER DOES SOME GOOD THINGS. I'VE BEEN THERE AND I'VE, AND I'VE SEEN IT, [04:40:02] BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT AMENITIES DO COST MONEY. THAT BUSINESSES DO GET AN ROI AT THE VISITOR CENTER. THE AMENITIES ALSO INCLUDE GOOD ROADS AND WORKING SEWERS AND SHUTTLE TRANSIT SYSTEMS AND POLICE AND TRAFFIC ASSISTANCE AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY PROVIDES. SO A GREAT SUFFER GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE IS IMPORTANT. JOHN. SO I MENTIONED YOU TOO, BUT SOMEHOW I SIT HERE AND I'M STILL REFLECTING BACK ON KIND OF WHERE THIS STARTED SOME MONTHS AGO. AND I EXPRESSED SOME REGRETS THAT ARE HEADED ON A FEE FOR SERVICE MODEL. CUZ I, THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE YOU GET TO ON A FEE FOR SERVICE MODEL. THIS ISN'T A COMMODITY. MM-HMM. . AND SO YOU END UP ARGUING ABOUT ALL THESE DETAILS THAT WASTES IN MY MIND A LOT OF TIME ON SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP MODEL. AND THAT'S WHERE IT USED TO BE. AND IT GOT BROKE AND, AND I CONTINUED TO HOLD OUT THAT WE COULD GET BACK THERE. REALLY, WE COULD. AND IN MY MIND, THE VISITORS CENTER, BASED ON WHAT I'VE SAID AND WHAT I OBSERVED ALL, UH, THESE TIMES, I THINK THERE IS A COST SHARE MODEL HERE THAT WORKS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS YET. I APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY MANAGER CAME UP WITH AN 80 20 MODEL. HOLLY. HOLLY, THAT WAS THE CITY MANAGER'S, NOT MINE. I DON'T KNOW THAT 80 20 IS THE RIGHT SPLIT. I DON'T, IT MIGHT BE LOWER THAN THAT. AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL, WHEN YOU FILED FOR DIVORCE AND THOUGHT YOU COULD CARRY THE VISITOR'S CENTER AND DECIDED THAT YOU CAN'T, I GET THAT. BUT CLEARLY THERE'S SOME INTENT AND ABILITY FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THE VISITORS CENTER. I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU HAD COME TO THIS MEETING PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THE OFFER THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAD RECOMMENDED. AND I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO GO BACK TO YOUR BOARD AND THINK ABOUT IT AND TO LOOK AT THAT SPREADSHEET. AND I THINK THERE'S PENCIL SHARPENING THAT COULD BE DONE YET. AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES WANT TO DO. WE OFTEN WANT TO RUSH AND MOVE, MAKE DECISIONS. AND, AND I THINK THIS, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A RUSH HERE YET. WE'RE NOT ADOPTING THE BUDGET UNTIL JULY. WE'VE GOT SOME TIME, GOT A FEW WEEKS. UH, AND SO ALL THAT SAID, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO. I'D, I'D REALLY LOVE TO HEAR BACK ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT GOING BACK TO YOUR BOARD AND HAVING THE CONVERSATION, THE POTENTIAL OF SHARPEN OUR PENCIL AND SEEING IF WE CAN'T WORK TOGETHER IN A MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP MODEL ON THIS, ON THIS THING. BUT IT'S NOT A COMMODITY. I CAN'T GO TO THE YELLOW PAGES AND BUY VISITOR CENTER. AND SO FEE FOR SERVICE DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO RUN THIS THING. SO, MAYOR, THAT'S MY COMMENTS FOR NOW. I'M GONNA YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME TO, TO KATHY TO ME LATER. I'LL SEE YOU LATER. OKAY. THIS IS A HARD ONE. THIS IS A HARD ONE. UM, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME. MANY CONVERSATIONS. THIS HAS REALLY BEEN TWO YEARS, UM, OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DIRECTION TO GO IN. AND HERE WE ARE, WE ARE AT THE WATERSHED MOMENT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. UM, AND I AGREE AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON FOR POINTING IT OUT. I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT ROI RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS NOT ALWAYS DOLLAR-BASED. THERE ARE OTHER VALUES THAT ARE, THAT ARE IMPORTANT THAT ARE RETURNS ON INVESTMENT. SO YOU SAID THAT. WELL, UM, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE KEEPING IN THAT CONTEXT OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING AT THE SAME MEETING THAT WE REVIEWED THE OTHER SERVICE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH WE RECOGNIZE PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THE VISITOR CENTER PROVIDES TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, I LIKE WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN SAID AS WELL, THAT I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT. I THINK A COST SHARE IS IMPORTANT. I DON'T KNOW THAT 80 20 IS THE RIGHT MIX OR NOT. UM, I ALSO WISH THAT YOU'D BEEN PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT MORE, UM, PROACTIVELY TONIGHT SINCE IT WAS IN THE PACKET. AND WE ALL KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE UNDER DISCUSSION. BUT I DO KNOW THAT I DON'T THINK A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING IS NOT WHERE I AM. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. AND I WANNA, THAT IS BECAUSE IF WE ARE [04:45:01] TALKING ABOUT TRANSITION AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PARTNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, IN, IN SERVING OUR COMMUNITY, WE MAY NOT BE PARTNERS IN, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD IN CLASSIC TOURISM MATTERS, PROBABLY WE WILL ON SOME LEVEL. WE HAVE TO FIND THAT LEVEL. AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE THAT TONE GETS SET. PARTNERSHIP, PARTNERSHIP NEEDS TO GET REESTABLISHED. AND I THINK THIS IS THE AREA IN WHICH TO DO IT. IF WE, AS I REPORTED, I THINK YOU GUYS WERE HERE, MOST OF YOU DURING THE EARLY PART OF THE MEETING WHEN I REPORTED ON AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA GET THOSE REFERRALS FROM A O T, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO BUSINESSES, MANY OF THOSE BUSINESSES, BUT NOT ALL WILL BE CHAMBER MEMBERS. THERE IS A PARTNERSHIP THERE ALREADY. I WANNA SEE THAT PARTNERSHIP ESTABLISHED BY, AS I SAID BEFORE, BY YOU GUYS HAVING SOME SKIN IN THE GAME AT THE VISITOR CENTER AS WELL, BECAUSE IT DOES REPRESENT YOUR BUSINESS MEMBERS. IN ADDITION, WE WANT IT OPEN TO EVERYBODY. WE'RE CLEAR. THAT'S BEEN CLEAR. I DON'T NEED TO RESTATE THAT, BUT THERE IS A SERVICE THERE, THERE'S A VALUE TO YOU. YOU SPOKE TO THAT MICHELLE, VERY, VERY ELOQUENTLY. UM, SO I WANNA SEE A, A COST COST SHARE MODEL GO ON. I CAN'T ENTERTAIN IT IF THERE'S NOT A COST SHARE MODEL, CUZ I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT MESSAGE OR SETTING UP THE DYNAMIC GOING FORWARD. UM, 80, I THINK 80 20 WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT, UM, FROM THE CITY MANAGER. I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT WENT INTO THAT. I HAVE TO SAY, I PROBABLY HAD BEEN THINKING IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, WHERE WOULD A 50 50 BE, UM, WHICH WOULD BRING US IN AT ABOUT $265,000 INSTEAD. I'M PROBABLY OFF OF THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BIGGER SHARE. I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO, BUT WITHOUT A COST SHARE, I CANNOT DO 100% OF THIS. THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST, I WANNA BE UNEQUIVOCAL IN THAT. UM, SO I THINK I'LL YIELD BACK, UH, AS WELL WITH, TO MYSELF FOR THE FUTURE FOLLOWING MY ROLE MODEL HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU KATHY, VICE MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? NO. BRIAN . UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. SO IN JANUARY WE HAD OUR, UH, COUNCIL RETREAT. AND AT THE TIME I HAD ASKED ABOUT, UH, FUNDING FOR THE VISITOR CENTER AND THERE WAS SORT OF A GASP IN THE ROOM OF WHAT YOU WOULD QUESTION THAT, HUH? AND THEN A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UH, I MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS A NEWBIE THERE SHOULDN'T ON COUNCIL, THERE SHOULDN'T BE SACRED COWS PER SE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT GOT A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, RESPONSE. AND I ACTUALLY HAD DECIDED, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD LOOK UP WHAT SACRED COW REALLY MEANS, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M SAYING THE RIGHT THING HERE. AND A SACRED COW IS AN IDEA, CUSTOMER INSTITUTION HELD ESPECIALLY UNREASONABLY TO BE ABOVE CRITICISM. AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ONE PARTICULAR DEFINITION FOR IT. AND I THINK THAT IN MANY RESPECTS, UM, IT IS THE RIGHT DESCRIPTION FOR WHAT THE VISITOR CENTER HAS BEEN. UM, NOT TO PICK ON YOU, MICHELLE, YOU DID HAPPEN TO CALL IT AN INSTITUTION. JUST A FUNNY COINCIDENCE HERE. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, AT THE ONSET OF YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, MICHELLE, YOU ACTUALLY DID OPEN UP THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE MIGHT BE BETTER WAYS THAN THE CURRENT WAY OF OFFERING VISITOR CENTER SERVICES. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS FROM THE GET-GO IS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ARE INSTITUTIONS AND SAYING, OKAY, DO WE NEED TO LET THEM EVOLVE SOME? AND SO I THINK IT'S BEEN GOOD THAT WE'VE, UH, EXAMINED THE VISITOR CENTER AS WE HAVE THIS EVENING AND PREVIOUSLY. AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN, UH, EXCELLENT INPUT FROM MANY FOLKS THAT, UH, HAVE SPOKEN ON BEHALF OF IT AT THE, UH, LECTERN THIS EVENING. ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE ONLY HAD WHAT THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE COME UP TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC. AND I THINK I'VE GOT ONE EMAIL LEADING UP TO THIS EVENING'S MEETING IN SUPPORT OF THE VISITORS CENTER. SO I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE HEARD MORE FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ABOUT THEIR SUPPORT FOR IT. UM, YOU KNOW, JOHN MARTINEZ, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER IT WAS THE THIRD OR FOURTH TIME HE SPOKE THIS EVENING, UH, FOR HIS THREE MINUTES. AND IT'S TOO BAD HE'S NOT HERE NOW. UM, BUT I THINK HE'S RIGHT THAT IN A YEAR OF TRANSITION, WHICH JENNIFER ALSO HAS SPOKEN TO, UM, THAT WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THIS BALL IN THE AIR, UH, AT THIS TIME. AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDING A COUPLE DIFFERENT, UH, AVENUES FOR HOW WE MIGHT GO FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO I THINK THAT THERE IS VALUE IN WHAT THE VISITOR CENTER OFFERS AND [04:50:01] THE FACT THAT IT EXISTS IN VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTS THE SAME, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE EVALUATION AND WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT OVER THE COMING YEAR. I, UH, SHARE MY FELLOW COUNSELORS VIEW THAT THIS SHOULD BE A COST SHARING, UH, ARRANGEMENT, UH, WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD EITHER. UH, I PROBABLY CAN LIVE WITH 80 20, UH, AS PROPOSED, UH, LIKE COUNSELOR PETE SAID, I COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND, YOU KNOW, PICK ON CERTAIN LINE ITEMS AND AND WHATNOT. AND I REALLY DON'T WANNA DO THAT. I WOULD RATHER YOU ALL CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE HEARING SO FAR THAT THERE WOULD BE AN INTEREST IN FUNDING THIS, BUT AT SOME TYPE OF A COST SHARING ARRANGEMENT. SO I THINK THAT COVERS MY COMMENTS BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SPOKEN SO WELL TO IT THUS FAR. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU BRIAN. MELISSA. SO I, I ALSO STRUGGLE WITH THIS FOR A LOT OF REASONS, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME IS WHEN YOU ADD BACK IN THE 30,000 MORE OR LESS THAT IS MADE IS REVENUE, THEN THE BOTTOM LINE FOR THE BUDGET IS ACTUALLY 5 6 0, UM, INSTEAD OF 5 42, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR. SO, UM, JUST, JUST POINTING THAT OUT. I, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, I'VE NEVER PURCHASED A RED ROCK PASS IN UPTOWN. I'VE ALWAYS BOUGHT MY RED ROCK PASSES OVER HERE ON THE WEST SIDE AT A GAS STATION. SO, UM, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER PLACES IN TOWN YOU CAN GET A RED ROCK PASS, YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET A RED ROCK PASS AT ANY NUMBER OF TRAILHEADS. SO, UM, I JUST WOULDN'T GET HUNG UP ON THE PASSES IS ALL I, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. UM, I CAN BUY 'EM ONLINE, I CAN EVEN BUY MY, WELL I DID BUY MY, UM, NATIONAL PARKS PASS ONLINE. SO I, I JUST WOULDN'T GET HUNG UP ON THE IDEA THAT THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE IN TOWN OR THE ONLY WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN ACQUIRE PASSES. UM, I ALSO, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO A VISITOR CENTER WHEN I'VE GONE ON A VACATION IN A LONG TIME. UM, I LOOK THINGS UP ON THE INTERNET, I TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE. I MEAN, THERE'S JUST SO MANY OTHER WAYS TO BRIAN'S POINT, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER WAYS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IT THESE DAYS. UM, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE WAY WILLIAMS DOES THEIRS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE A HISTORICAL MUSEUM AND A VISITOR CENTER. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE I THINK IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S TRULY BECOME A POINT OF, OF INTEREST FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO. THEY'RE GONNA GO THERE AND FOR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND THEY'RE GONNA GET BOTH. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA. COULD WE DO THAT TOMORROW? ABSOLUTELY NOT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOTTA BE PART OF HOW WE, WE DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO GOING FORWARD. AND THIS IS WHY I STRUGGLE AND I STRUGGLE BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS SERVES A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. I THINK IT SERVES A VERY NICHE MARKET OF PEOPLE BECAUSE I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE, UM, THEY'RE JUST NOT USING THE PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER. I DON'T KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE USING THE VISITOR CENTER QUITE HONESTLY, BECAUSE THERE'S AIR CONDITIONING AND THERE'S A BATHROOM , IT'S REALLY CLEAN, NICE BATHROOM, RIGHT? I, I KNOW I SAID CLEAN. SO, SO IS THAT ENOUGH REASON TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, FOR US TO, TO DO THIS FOR, FOR A YEAR? I REALIZE IT'S A YEAR. UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TIME CAN GO PRETTY FAST. HOWEVER, UM, AGAIN, I'M TORN ON THIS. UM, YOU ALSO GET A VALUE TO EXPERIMENT WITH. HOW IMPORTANT ARE VISITOR CENTERS IN SEDONA BUSINESSES ASIDE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, BUT TO PEOPLE, IF THERE'S IN A VISITOR CENTER. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN A YEAR IF THERE WAS NO VISITOR CENTER? WOULD SEDONA CLOSE DOWN? WOULD OUR YELP REVIEWS ABOUT COMING TO SEDONA BE BAD? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A VISITOR CENTER? WE DO WANT TO PUT UP OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD, FOR BUSINESSES TO GET EXPOSURE, UM, TO PEOPLE WHO COME HERE. AND SO I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THIS BECAUSE IT JUST FEELS LIKE, ON THE ONE HAND I GET YOU NEED, YOU NEED FOR THIS TO BE PROFITABLE FOR YOU IN ORDER TO DO IT. AND I GET THAT. UM, THE QUESTION IS, IS IT REALLY PROFITABLE TO THE CITY TO HAVE ONE FOR A YEAR? IF IN A YEAR FROM NOW WE HAVE ONE THAT'S EVEN BETTER, UM, OR WE UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE REALLY VISITING SEDONA WHEN THEY COME HERE, WHY [04:55:01] IS IT ONLY 4% USING THE VISITOR CENTER? SO I STRUGGLE. I HAVE A HARD TIME FOR SURE. I'M, I'M KIND OF WITH EVERYONE ELSE. THIS FEELS LIKE, UM, FOR US TO PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT, I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I DO AS A BUSINESS. I GET IT. UM, HOWEVER, IT IT, IT FEELS LIKE IF THIS WERE REALLY IMPORTANT ASPECT, IF THIS WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT MATTERED TO THE CHAMBER, THERE'D BE MORE SKIN IN THE GAME. THERE'D BE, THERE'D BE LESS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF THE VISITOR CENTER. SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY I FEEL. VICE MAYOR, I TOO STRUGGLE. I I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW I COULD MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, FRANKLY. UH, BECAUSE I SEE BOTH SIDES. I SEE ALL SIDES. AND YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THE WAY WE ENDED OUR RELATIONSHIP WAS HORRIBLE. AND IT HAS BEEN EATING AT ME EVER SINCE. AND IF THIS WAS A WAY IN WHICH TO HEAL, WOULD MAKE ME FEEL REALLY GOOD. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN STAY SEPARATE. WE'RE PART OF THE SAME COMMUNITY AND WE SUPPORT BUSINESSES. THIS IS WHERE I REALLY STRUGGLE. I DON'T EVEN STRUGGLE ON THE MONEY SO MUCH. I JUST STRUGGLE ON HOW FAR APART WE ARE AND HOW DID WE GET THERE AND WHY ARE WE THERE? AND HOW ARE WE GONNA RECOVER FROM THAT? BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T BE THE WAY WE ARE. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW I GO TO EVENTS AND NOBODY, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT YOU THE OTHER DAY AT STEVE NERS. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, LOOK AWAY. WE DON'T EVEN WANNA TALK TO EACH OTHER CUZ IT'S SO UNCOMFORTABLE. THAT'S HOW I FEEL WHEN I, WHEN I SEE YOU ALL. I KNOW AL CAM WOULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT ME FOR WEEKS. AND THEN WE HA SERIOUSLY CUZ HE WAS EMBARRASSED. I WAS EMBARRASSED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. AND THEN WE CAME TOGETHER OVER SOMETHING ELSE AND NOW WE'RE FRIENDS AGAIN. BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE, REALLY. IT'S NOT. AND, UH, AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. UH, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS, I THOUGHT IN THE BACK OF MY MIND WHEN WE WERE STRUGGLING ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP, THAT WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, PARTNERSHIP WAS THE CHAMBER DID, THE VISITOR CENTER, DID THE VISITOR CENTER FOREVER UNTIL THE, UH, BED TAX WAS INCREASED. AND THEN THE WHOLE MARKETING CAMPAIGN AND ALL THIS PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF CAME UP BECAUSE THE VISITOR CENTER WAS THE SORT OF THE CORE. AND I, AND I HAVE TO SAY, WHEN YOU GAVE US THAT LETTER, I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED AND UPSET. I I THOUGHT YOU WERE MADE A PRECIPITOUS DECISION THAT HADN'T BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH. I'M BEING TOTALLY HONEST HERE. AND I THOUGHT, HOW ARE THEY GONNA SURVIVE? THEY CAN'T GO UNDER. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT THEM TO GO UNDER. SO WHAT IS IT THAT WE COULD DO? AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER, BUT IT WAS SO ACRIMONIOUS AT THAT POINT. AND ALL THE VITRIOL AND THE NEWSPAPERS AND THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, OF WE'RE FINALLY FREE FROM THE CLUTCHES OF THAT HORRIBLE CITY. AND YOU KNOW, THAT IT HURT. AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. UH, AND IT WENT ON AND ON AND ON AND ON. AND SO NOW I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE COULD PUT THAT IN THE PAST. MAYBE THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN COME BACK TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF US. I SURE DO NOT WANNA SEE YOU CLOSE YOUR DOORS. AND I THINK THERE'S A RISK THAT YOU WILL. AND I DON'T KNOW IF A YEAR IS THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME OR NOT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY, I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER. WE JUST ENDED LIKE THIS AND YOU KNOW, THE AX FELL AND THEN WE'RE WALKING AWAY. YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE NOT EVEN HAVING ANY DIALOGUE ABOUT ASSETS, ABOUT TRANSITION AT ALL. HOW DO YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP FOR THESE MANY YEARS AND NOT TO HAVE A TRANSITION PLAN OR A STRATEGY? I, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. AND I EVEN HEAR, AND TONIGHT IN, IN SOME OF THE SPEAKERS, SOME OF THAT ANTAGONISM, IT'S STILL THERE. I DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA PRETEND IT'S GONE AWAY. UH, BUT I THINK FOR THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I, I THINK MARY, YOU SAID IT VERY WELL, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO COME [05:00:01] BACK TOGETHER IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. IT'S, I THINK WE'RE BEYOND OUR CONTRACT THAT WE'VE HAD. THAT'S OVER. MM-HMM. , UH, WE'RE COMMITTED TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION AND YOU'RE COMMITTED TO MOVING SOME DIRECTION THAT I'M NOT PRIVY TO. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE UNDERSTOOD THAT. AND IF WE CAN HELP YOU TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANNA BE, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT IS AT THE MOMENT. MAYBE IT TAKES TIME FOR YOU TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO HELP YOU. I I WANT A HEALTHY BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN THIS CITY. WE ALL DO. WE DON'T WANT OUR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES. WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY. WE WANNA SUPPORT ALL THE BUSINESSES IN THIS COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE CHAMBER MEMBERS. AND THAT WAS PART OF WHERE WE, WE DIVERTED. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M AT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD VOTE. I, I, I LIKE PETE'S IDEA. I DON'T, I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, LIKE TWO WEEKS AND WE COULD PUT YOU ON THE AGENDA AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS. AND THIS TIME MICHELLE WOULD BE, IT WASN'T LIKE THE LAST TIME WHEN YOU SAID, WHY WOULD I COME BACK HERE AND ONLY GET BEAT UP AGAIN? THIS ISN'T ABOUT THAT. THIS IS ABOUT GO BACK, TALK TO THE BOARD, SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL, SEE IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO DO ANY KIND OF COST SHARING AND, AND COME BACK. I'M NOT PREPARED TO, I REALLY, I WOULD HAVE TO SUSTAIN. I CAN'T EVEN REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO A LOT HAS BEEN SET UP HERE. UH, AND I WANNA THANK MARY CAUSE SHE'S SITTING RIGHT UP HERE FRONT. BUT SHE'S A VERY PHILOSOPHICAL WOMAN. I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR FROM HER. UH, BUT, AND I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT SHE SAID. UH, BUT I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE LINE ITEMS. I REALLY DO. UH, WHEN I HEARD THE VISITOR CENTER WAS GONNA CLOSE, THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT ABOUT WAS NOT, OH, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHERE ARE THE TOURISTS GONNA GO? WHERE ARE THE BUSINESS GONNA DO? I THOUGHT, AND I THINK I SHARED IT WITH AL OR OR MIKE. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THEM FEEDING THEIR FAMILIES. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT ABOUT. SO, I MEAN, I KNOW EVERYBODY. MOST, MOST EVERYBODY. CAUSE I'VE BEEN TO ALL THE EVENTS, ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEES. SO THERE'S A FACE TO THAT AND IT MEANS SOMETHING TO ME. UM, I DON'T SEE THE V VISIT CENTER AS TO MAKE MONEY. UH, BUT THE LOW ATTENDANCE IS THE LOW ATTENDANCE. BUT IT, IT'S PART OF OUR SMALL TOWN FEEL. WE WANNA BE A SMALL TOWN. WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT BEING A SMALL TOWN WITH, WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. WE'RE NOT SUCH A SMALL TOWN ANYMORE. BUT WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE CAN. UM, LET ME JUST GO DOWN MY LIST HERE. YOU KNOW, THE UH, VISITOR CENTER IS MORE THAN JUST A PLACE WHERE THEY'RE GETTING SUGGESTIONS ON WHERE TO GO. MM-HMM. . OKAY. HOW TO DRESS PROPER. NOT TO WEAR FLIP FLOPS, NOT TO UNDER PROVIDE WITH WATER. I'VE HEARD THAT SO MANY TIMES BEFORE WHEN I WOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS CENTER. HASN'T BEEN, I'VE BEEN KIND OF BUSY LATELY. BUT THERE'S A VALUE TO THAT. IT'S NOT JUST, WE'LL GO TO THIS RESTAURANT, GO TO THAT TRAIL AND OH, TRAILS THEY'RE TELLING PEOPLE THE TRAILS WE WANT. I HOPE THEY'RE DOING THIS. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. YOU'RE TELL TELLING PEOPLE TO GO TO THE LESSER USED TRAILS. THERE'S A VALUE FOR THAT. UM, THERE'S ALSO VALUE IN, I THINK IT WAS MARY SAID THIS ALSO. WE WANT THE BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN TO NOT THINK WE ABANDONED THEM. WE ARE CHANGING THE DIVORCE, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, CLOSING THE BUSINESS CENTER COLDER. JUST LETTING IT CLOSE IS LIKE TURNING. MY, OUR BACKS ARE ON THE BUS, THE BUSINESSES. AND I DON'T FEEL THAT AT ALL. NOT AT ALL. I'VE BEEN HERE TOO LONG TO EVER WANT SOMEONE TO FEEL I'VE TURNED MY BACK ON THEM. UM, I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW SO MANY OF THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY HAVE. AND IT WAS, UH, JOHN MARTINEZ WHO SAID CUSTOMER SERVICE. WELL I KNOW DONNA FOR YEARS, SINCE I FIRST GOT ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL, SHE EXEMPLIFIES CUSTOMER SERVICE. THERE'S A VALUE IN THAT. I TRULY MEAN THAT. DONNA, YOU, YOU ARE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GREAT. UM, I CAN GO ON, BUT I, I DO SUPPORT DOING SOMETHING. [05:05:01] I, YOU KNOW, I SAW THE, BEFORE THE AGENDA BILL CAME OUT, I FIGURED, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE GONNA EITHER MOVE FORWARD AS IT WAS. AND THEN I SAW THE AGENDA BILL AND I DIDN'T LIKE ALL THE $40,000, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT ITEMS. I DIDN'T PLAN ON SEEING THAT. SO I, I AGREE. OF COURSE, SHARE WOULD BE BETTER. UH, 80 20 THIS WAY, LIKE IT WAS SAID, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME KINDA SKIN IN THE GAME. WE WOULD HAVE THE BULK OF THE SKIN IN THE GAME THEN IF YOU WANT TO SELL THE ITEMS AND REAP THE PROFITS, SO BE IT. YOU HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. OTHERWISE, I FEEL LIKE, UH, THE VICE, NO, WE REAP THAT. THANK YOU. UM, THE VICE MAYOR SAID, AND I DO FEEL THIS WAY IF WE'RE PAYING EVERYTHING, I, IF YOU EXPLAINED IT, BUT I, I STILL FEEL THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME WE'RE TAKING IT OVER. WE'RE PAYING EVERYTHING, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AND WE'RE GONNA DO THE OTHER THING. 80 20, YOU GOT 20%, YOU GO DO WHAT YOU WANT. I'D BE FINE WITH IT. BUT, BUT I DO WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT THE, UH, PROMOTING, UH, BUSINESSES AREN'T MORE THAN JUST CHAMBER MEMBERS. CUZ THAT'S THE BUSINESS MODEL WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO. AND LIKE THE VICE MAYOR SAID, THAT'S WHAT GOT US TWISTED. AND I DON'T LIKE BEING TWISTED WITH ANYBODY. I REALLY DON'T, ESPECIALLY YOU GUYS. BUT, UH, I FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SKIN IN THE GAME. AND THAT'S NOT 20%, THERE'S NOT MUCH TO ASK. UH, ESPECIALLY FOR THE VALUE THAT, UH, I THINK WE, WE CAN BY WORKING TOGETHER. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. UM, I KNOW THE VICE MAY SUGGESTED COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS. I DON'T KNOW. WE'VE DONE THE AGENDA FOR TWO WEEKS. I DON'T KNOW IF UH, THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE. BUT YOU HAVE A, A CLOSED DATE OF AUGUST 1ST. JESSICA, YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING BEFORE, WHILE I WAS TALKING? GO AHEAD. NO, I JUST WANTED TO, TO PUT MYSELF IN THE QUEUE FOR THE NEXT COMMENTS. I DID NOT WANT TO ADD ANYTHING. I, THAT'S MY WAY OF SAYING WHEN YOU ARE DONE. OKAY. I HAVE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SAY AND I'D LIKE SOMETHING THAT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU SAY IT. SO, OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW. UH, I'M GONNA LOOK AT KAREN AND SEE WHERE SHE IS WITH, UH, AND ALSO YOU GUYS, IF, IF 80 20 IS A DEAD NO, WELL THEN WE KNOW SOMETHING. IF IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK TO YOUR BOARD AND THEN WE, IF WE CAN GET YOU ON ANOTHER AGENDA AND WE HAVE A QUICK MEETING INSTEAD OF TWO HOURS, GARY LOOKS LIKE HE'S GONNA FALL ASLEEP. BUT, UM, I, I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN THAT. SO DO YOU, DO YOU SEE ANY, UH, POTENTIAL? YEAH, I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS OBVIOUSLY. UM, AND WE WOULD DEFINITELY WOULD ENTERTAIN IT. WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD FOR NO, I UNDERSTAND. DISCUSSION. THAT'S FAIR. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT THE BOARD IS EVALUATING FOR THAT PROPERTY. UM, SO WE WOULD JUST NEED, BUT THE GOOD THING IS, IS WE HAVE A MEETING, WHAT, A WEEK FROM THURSDAY? OR IS OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING? YOU HAVE. OKAY. I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. NO, NO, NO, NO. SO THE, IT CAN BE ON THAT AGENDA. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK OUT COUNT? YEAH. AND THERE WON'T BE, SO PACKET MATERIALS WOULD BE DUE WAY BEFORE THEY EVEN HAVE THEIR MEETING WITH THE BOARD. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A VERY AUSTERE AGENDA BILL AND, AND REALLY JUST PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AT THE MEETING AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION. IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO COUNCIL, THEN WE COULD ADD IT TO THE 27TH. OKAY. AND I MEAN, IT COULD BE VERY SIMPLE. IT'S EITHER YES, WE AGREE TO, UH, 80 20 OR NO, WE DON'T. OR AN ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVE, RIGHT? LIKE IF YOU WANNA DO YOU WANNA DO 50 50? LET ME KNOW HOW THAT WORKS OUT. ALL RIGHT. , JESSICA, DON'T YOU WIN THE LOTTERY? JUMP IN NOW. 90 10. WELL, I THINK IT'S NICE THAT EVERY, WE'RE GOING TO BACK TO CONSIDER IT. I JUST, I JUST, I WILL SAY THAT THIS, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION WHEN WE'VE HAD OUR, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IS IT, IT COMES AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT IT. OH, WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE. AND I'M JUST SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A BAD IDEA. EVERYBODY LIKES IT. THAT'S FINE. IF, IF IT WORKS OUT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I JUST, I'M JUST KIND OF DISTURBED BY THE CONTINUATION OF, OF THAT PARTICULAR, UM, RELATIONSHIP. UM, I ALSO WANNA LOOK BACK AT THE MEETING THAT WE HAD WHERE [05:10:01] PETE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WASN'T SAYING, YEAH, FI FOR SERVICE IS GREAT. WE LOVE FOR FEE FOR SERVICE. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FEE FOR SERVICE. EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON ON THE COUNCIL, INCLUDING ME, WAS A FEE FOR SERVICE PERSON. UM, AND THIS IS FEE FOR SERVICE. THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT WE TOLD THEM WE WANTED THEM TO DO, AND NOW WE WANT OUR PARTNERSHIP BACK. UM, AND I AGREE, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT IT WAS DONE, THAT THE WHOLE PROCESS WAS NOT DONE WELL. UM, IT WAS SUDDEN IT SEEMED, IT SEEMED, UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION OF WE'LL SIT DOWN AND TAKE THE NEXT YEAR TO SEE HOW WE CAN WORK THINGS OUT. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I, UM, I WANNA REMIND, I MEAN, IT DIDN'T JUST, THE RELATIONSHIP DIDN'T JUST BREAK FOR NO REASON. IT, IT BROKE. BECAUSE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTED, WHICH WE NEVER COULD ARTICULATE, AND WHAT THE CHAMBER WANTED, WHICH THEY ARTICULATED VERY CLEARLY, WHICH WAS MARKETING AND ADVERTISING EVEN A LITTLE AMOUNT, EVEN A, A THROWAWAY AMOUNT FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SORT OF MAKE THE BUSINESS PEOPLE A LITTLE HAPPY WAS TOTALLY REJECTED. UM, AND THOSE MEETINGS, IF I HAD BEEN MICHELLE, I THOUGHT VERY, VERY, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. NOT THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN UNCOMFORTABLE, I'M NOT, BUT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT, THIS DOESN'T LOOK TO ME LIKE ANY DEVIATION FROM THE PATTERN THAT WE'VE ENGAGED IN WITH THE CHAMBER. I, I'M PREPARED. I MEAN, I STILL WANT TO VOTE AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE, IF AND IN THE NEXT YEAR, UH, I WOULD VOTE TO SORT OF DO THIS CONTRACT IN THE NEXT YEAR, TALK ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT DO MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP. THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF FOR ME, REALLY DIFFICULT TURN OF EVENTS. I REALLY WANTED TO VOTE. I THINK IT WAS CLEAR. AND SUDDENLY IT'S ALL KUMBAYA, YOU KNOW? BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD PRO. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. I JUST WISH IT HADN'T COME THIS WAY. BUT I DO SUPPORT THE, THE, THE SHARING IF THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I, I HAVE A SUGGESTION IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO VOTE TO KEEP IT AND IN THE NEXT YEAR FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REBUILDING A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAD FOR LIKE 25 YEARS THAT BASICALLY HIT THE FAN AND, AND KEPT ON SPRAYING FOR TWO YEARS AND ENDED AND, AND NOW OVERNIGHT IN THIS ONE MEETING, WE WANNA PARTNERSHIP AGAIN. AND I THINK WE SHOULD PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK WE NEED A YEAR TO DO IT. AND I WOULD WANT TO VOTE TO SORT OF EXTEND THIS CONTRACT AS A TEMPORARY STEP TO HAVE TIME TO PUT IT TOGETHER OVER A YEAR. IF IT'S A PARTNERSHIP. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP. OKAY. JUST EXCUSE ME. I AM DONE. SORRY. I'M SORRY. OKAY. LET, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS WITH, WITH THIS IDEA. WE VOTE ON A, IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS OF AN 80 20. JEN, CAN I FINISH? WELL I THINK, I'M TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT JENNIFER WANTED TO GET INTO, OH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT. SOMETHING. OKAY. CAN I ADD ONE THING? UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID TRY TO GO TO THIS SORT OF ALL OR NOTHING BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACED LAST YEAR IN, IN GETTING CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL. SO THE THOUGHT WITH THE CITY FULLY FUNDING THE VISITOR CENTER IS THE IDEA THAT WE ARE NOT LIMITING THAT TO THE MEMBERSHIP, WHICH WAS THE BIG CONCERN THAT REALLY STARTED ALL OF THIS. THAT IT'S OPEN TO THE CITY. YOU'RE PAYING US AS A VENDOR TO RUN THIS AMENITY FOR THE CITY. WHILE YOU FIGURE OUT, MY CONCERN WAS GOING BACK TO THE 80 20 AND THE SKIN IN THE GAME IS REALLY, IF YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE WHOLE THING, YOU TELL US WHAT THE HECK YOU WANT US TO DO. WE DON'T HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. AND YOU MAINTAIN THAT POWER OF HOW THAT'S RUN. AND FOR A YEAR, THAT MAY BE THE BEST PATH FORWARD IF WE CAN FORGE A PARTNERSHIP GOING FORWARD WITH [05:15:01] SOME MORE TIME POSSIBLY. BUT THE CONCERN WITH THAT IS WE'RE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT CONFIDENT IF THE BOARD WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, WELL, ONE, ONE JENNIFER, ONE THING YOU JUST SAID THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH, MAYBE I MISHEARD THAT IF WE PAY THE WHOLE THING, WE COULD TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. WELL WE SAID WE ARE ON, SOME OF US ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH YOU SELLING ITEMS AND NOT PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE, UH, THE VISIT CENTER. YOU'RE GONNA USE IT FOR YOUR, FOR, FOR YOUR, UM, PROFIT, YOUR PROFIT. SO WITH, WE DON'T, IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, IF THAT IS REALLY A DEAL BREAKER, WE ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IT JUST, IT SEEMED CLEANER. UM, AND THAT WAS, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE A CLEAN SOLUTION, UM, DURING THE TRANSITION. WE'RE GOING, HOW DO WE NAVIGATE THIS? UM, CUZ WE, WE WISH WE HAD THE $530,000 TO DO IT CUZ WE BELIEVE IN THE VALUE, BUT WE JUST DON'T. I GET IT. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I'M, UH, WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, IF COUNCIL IS IN AGREEMENT THAT WE COME UP WITH, WE EITHER WANT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT AS WRITTEN OR THE CITY MANAGER'S SUGGESTION, ONE OF THE OTHER, AND THEN WE VOTE ON IT, WHICHEVER ONE, THEN YOU TAKE IT TO YOUR BOARD AND YOU EITHER APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE IT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL THAT WE VOTE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? YEAH, I DO. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THAT WE VOTE ON EITHER A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR PROPOSAL OF OPTION A OR OPTION A AT, UH, THE 80 20 SPLIT AND WHICHEVER ONE WE AGREE ON, OR MAYBE NOT. I'M JUST TRYING TO, I YOU'RE SAYING THIS BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THAT THE CHAMBER IS NOT PREPARED TO RESPOND TONIGHT, SO THEREFORE THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THEY'RE GETTING FROM US. EXACTLY. WHICH SPOKE TO YOUR POINT, UH, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON BEFORE. UM, I HAVE ANOTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, BUT I'M, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TIME. OKAY. WELL IT'S NOT IN THAT PROPOSAL. IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY. I STILL SEE, I SEE THIS VERY CLEARLY FOR ME AS FEE FOR SERVICE. THE FACT THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S A PARTNERSHIP BY THEM HAVING SKIN IN THE GAME BECAUSE THE CHAMBER STILL GETS THE BENEFIT OF SOME OF THIS. THIS IS LIKE WHEN I SAID WITH THE, WE UM, HAD THE OTHER CONTRACTS WITH THE OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS TONIGHT WE PROVIDE AND GIVE THEM THAT, BUT THEY'RE FUNDRAISING SEPARATELY AS WELL. THE HUMANE SOCIETY IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS THE LIBRARY IS TO ME, THAT'S WHY THE A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING IS, IS NOT A PART OF THIS SEEING THIS AS A FEE FOR SERVICE, WHICH I THINK IS CLEANER. I AGREE WITH YOU, JENNIFER, ON THAT. UM, AND IS THE MODEL THAT I WANTED TO MOVE TO CUZ I'M NOT WILLING TO BACK OFF OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN ESTABLISHING OURSELVES AS A D M M O IN BEING THE REFERRALS, UM, CONDUIT FROM A O T, UH, THAT IS A PATH THAT WE ARE ON THAT IS NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PARTNERSHIP THAT GOES BACK ON, ON, ON THOSE THINGS AND RECREATING A MODEL THAT ALREADY FAILED THE PARTNERSHIP IS HOW IS RECOGNIZING THAT CHANGE IS HERE AND HOW DO WE PARTNER GOING FORWARD. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT FEFA SERVICE AND PARTNERSHIP ARE, TO ME, THEY'RE NOT INCONGRUENT. UH, SO I JUST WANTED THAT CLEAR BECAUSE I THINK IT GOT, IT GOT MISCONSTRUED A LITTLE BIT BEFORE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THAT RANT. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. SO I, I I THINK, I THINK THERE'S MERIT TO YOUR PROPOSAL THAT WE, THAT WE BE CLEAR THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE GOING BACK WITH SO THAT IT'S NOT THAT YOU COME BACK AND SAY, WELL WE THINK IF YOU DO 90%, WE COULD DO THE 10%. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S NOT WHERE WE SHOULD BE. SO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU'RE PREPARED TO DO SOMETHING, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PURSUING YOUR MODEL. AGAIN, I WOULD BE VOTING AGAINST A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING, RIGHT. AND I WOULD PROBABLY BE VOTING FOR THE 80 20 FUNDING. RIGHT. SO I'M, I JUST FEEL THAT IF YOU ALL AGREE THIS WAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. THE BOARD ACCEPTS IT OR THEY DON'T ACCEPT IT. AND, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE CLEARER IS HOW DOES THE COUNCIL FEEL ABOUT THAT, MELISSA? RIGHT. WELL, I SAID IN MY COMMENTS THAT I COULD LIVE WITH THE 80 20 COST SHARE. SO I THINK IN THE SPIRIT OF NOT HAVING THE CHAMBER TEAM GO BACK TO THEIR BOARD AND THEN POTENTIALLY COMING BACK AND, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING NEGOTIATED AGAINST THEMSELVES AND US SITTING HERE GOING, NO, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. THEN I THINK THAT IT IS WORTHWHILE FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE, UH, ON A COST SHARE, UH, FIGURE TO GIVE TO THEM. UH, I THINK [05:20:01] THAT THAT MAKES SENSE, MELISSA. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW THE WAY I FEEL IS I'D BE, UH, AMENABLE TO DOING COST SHARE. I AM NOT AMENABLE TO DOING A HUNDRED PERCENT. OKAY. THANKS MA'AM. I COULD LIVE WITH THAT PETE. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M NOT SURE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES JUST SAID , THAT THEY, THEY WOULD SUPPORT, UH, 20 80 20. RIGHT. AND THAT WE, WE GIVE IT TO THE CHAMBER AND IT'S UP TO THEM TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WISH TO GO WITH IT OR NOT. THEY CAN GO TO THEIR BOARD, THEY COME BACK WITH US IN TWO WEEKS OR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES. YOU JUST COMMUNICATE IT TO THE CITY MANAGER IF THEY ACCEPT IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S ALL. I THINK THAT WOULD BE EASIEST FOR THEM. EASIEST FOR US. WHY, WHY COME BACK AND HAVE ANOTHER THREE HOUR MEETING TO DISCUSS THE ONE ITEM? SO, WELL, I PERSONALLY AM NOT COM COMFORTABLE WITH THE 80 20 SPLIT. I THINK WE GO LOOK AT THE SIX CONTRACTS WE JUST AWARDED AND NOBODY IS EVEN OVER 60% WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE MODELS. UM, BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF, UH, SUPPORTING A PARTNERSHIP, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT NUMBERS CAN LOOK BETTER AND BUSINESSES CAN RECOGNIZE THE VALUE THAT THEY ARE GETTING FROM THE VISITOR CENTER IN FUTURE YEARS. I'M WILLING TO GO WITH AN 80 20 FOR ONE YEAR, JESSICA, MY SENSE IS THAT THE HUNDRED PERCENT WOULD FAIL AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE A VISITOR CENTER MM-HMM. SO I CAN LIVE WITH IT. OKAY. SO, UH, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE. WE HAVE A, HOW DO WE DO THE MOTION? I CAN DO THE MOTION IF YOU WANT. JUST LEMME FIND IT. IT'S THREE 68,000 360. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THE NUMBER 360 8. 800. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MAYOR TO APPROVE THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND TOURISM BUREAU'S REQUEST TO CONTRACT FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE VISITOR CENTER FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 IN THE AMOUNT OF $368,800, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. SECOND KURT. DOES THAT WORK? OKAY? I'M OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE SECOND? SECOND? IT'S IN THE PACKET. OKAY. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? DID I HEAR SOMETHING? NO. OKAY. SO WERE UNANIMOUS AT, AT 80 20. NO. JENNIFER, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT TO THE BOARD AND, AND YOU'LL GET WHEN IS YOUR NEXT MEETING? THURSDAY WEEK FROM THURSDAY THE 22ND. OKAY. AND JUST LET KAREN KNOW. OKAY. FIVE MINUTE BREAK. YEAH, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BATHROOM BREAK THE ROOM CLEARS. OH, JOANNE, CAN WE DO FIVE? OKAY. YOU WANNA TURN THE MICS OFF? I, NO, IT'S A DIFFERENT NUMBER. THANK YOU. THAT WAS A LOT. I KNOW. YOU KNOW WHAT? YEAH. UM, KAREN, JUST LEAVE ONE OR NO. JOAN, I THINK WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE 360 8. IS THAT, WAS THAT WHAT YOU, WAS THAT IN YOUR PACKET? IT WAS, IT WAS BASED ON YOUR TOTAL OPERATIONAL COST WITHOUT FEE. YEAH. SO THE 360 8 IS WITHOUT THE FEE AND THAT NO, IT WAS, IT WAS A TRUE 80 20 OF COST OF THAT WOULD OPERATIONS OF THE VISITOR CENTER THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA FLY. IT WAS WITHOUT FEE. MIDNIGHT. MAYBE WE'RE BACK. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE NOT ON NO. WHERE'S THAT MIKE WISE GUY WHEN I NEED HIM. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR A RECONSIDERATION OF THE LET ME. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHILE EVERY, SO, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, MR. WISE, MATHEMATICIAN WISE REALIZED THAT THE CALCULATION WAS AN ERROR BECAUSE 80% OF THEIR BUDGET WOULD BE 424,000, NOT 368,800. KAREN CLARIFIED THAT WHAT SHE HAD DONE WAS REMOVED THE FEE. SO IF WE WANT TO PUT THE FEE BACK IN AND DO 80% OF THE TOTAL, THEN WE NEED A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. IS THE COUNCIL OPEN FOR THAT? SHOULD I MAKE THE MOTION? PLEASE DO. OH, I'D LIKE TO GET JUST CLARIFICATION FROM KAREN. YES. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WE TALK ABOUT A COST SHARE OF THE TOTAL OPERATIONAL COST AS IT WAS ARTICULATED BEFORE [05:25:01] FEE IS ADDED ON. IT WAS AN 80 20 COST SHARE WITH THE CITY PAYING FOR 80% OF ALL OF THE VISITOR CENTER OPERATIONS AND THE CHAMBER PAYING FOR 20%. OKAY. DO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND LET'S OPEN UP TO THE COUNCIL TO GET THEIR OPINION. I MOVE TO RECONSIDER THE APPROVAL OF THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND TOURISM BUREAUS REQUEST TO CONTRACT FOR THE OPERATIONS, THE VISITORS CENTER FOR FY 24 AND THE AMOUNT OF $368,800. HAVE A SECOND PLEASE. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THEN I MOVE TO APPROVE S DONUT CHAMBER OF DO YOU WANT I DISCUSS IT FIRST, SEE IF EVERYBODY'S, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS IT. YEAH. ANYBODY WANNA DISCUSS IT? I, I DO WANNA DISCUSS IT. I MOVED TO APPROVE THE DONUT CHAMBER OF DO I DO WANNA DISCUSS IT. OH, I'M SORRY. . THANK YOU. SO I, HERE, I, I VOTED TO BRING THIS UP A RECONSIDERATION CAUSE I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED TO DISCUSS, BUT I JUST, UM, MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT I MADE IT BASED ON THE OPERATING. SO I'LL BE VOTING NO, UM, BECAUSE I'M STICKING BY WHAT I HAD PROPOSED, WHICH WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET. SO I'M STICKING WITH THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE PREVAILING THOUGHT, WHICH I'M FINE WITH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT I'LL WHY I'M, I WILL PROBABLY BE VOTING NO AGAINST THIS. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I'M LOOKING AT PETE. OKAY. NO, I'M, I'M PONDERING THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. BUT I JUST WANNA BE SURE I WAS, I WAS CLEAR OF WHAT THE, I I WAS THOUGHT WE WERE MOVING THE MANAGER'S PROPOSAL WHEN WE VOTED. MM-HMM. . RIGHT? ME TOO. OKAY. WELL, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THE MANAGER WHY HER THOUGHTS WERE TO ELIMINATE THE FEE FROM HER IN HER RECOMMENDATION COUNSELOR. BECAUSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IN A TRUE COST SHARE, WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THE ENTIRE OF THE COST FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, PROJECT, OR SERVICE, AND YOU'RE SPLITTING THAT 80 20, YOU'RE SPLITTING THE TRUE COST OF, OF THAT OPERATION. SO THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF SAYING THAT AN 80% CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THAT FROM THE CITY IS THE LION'S SHARE OF THOSE COSTS ANYWAY. WHEN YOU ADD FEE ON TOP AND THEN SPLIT AT 80 20, THEN TO ME THAT'S, IT'S MORE OF A 90 10 PROBABLY SPLIT. I'D HAVE TO DO THE MATH. MM-HMM. . BUT, SO IT WAS IN AN INTEREST TO HAVE A COST SHARE WHERE THE CITY DID BEAR THE LION'S SHARE OF THE FINANCIAL BURDEN, WHICH IS STILL THE CASE EVEN WITHOUT THE FEE. SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS. JESSICA. WELL, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THE WHOLE BASIC PROBLEM BETWEEN A PARTNERSHIP CONTRACT AND A FEE FOR SERVICE RAISES ITS HEAD. THIS IS EXACTLY THE ISSUE. UM, WE ARE TRYING TO BLEND THESE TWO THINGS AND YOU KNOW, AND IT COMES DOWN TO KIND OF IDEOLOGY. UM, WE'RE GONNA SPLIT THE OPERATIONAL COST, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU A FEE OR WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU PART OF YOUR FEE, 80% OF YOUR FEE. WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE TO COME DOWN ON IT, THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME. UM, THEY'VE MADE A PROPOSAL FOR AN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. UM, WE ARE NOW, WE'RE NOW RIGHT BACK AT THE CONFUSION. AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT, I WOULD SUPPORT THE INCLUSION OF THE FEE, 80% OF THE FEE BECAUSE THEY CAME WITH THE PROPOSAL TO, WITH THE FEE. AND I THINK THERE, I THINK THERE'S A FEE FOR SERVICE. THEY'RE ENTITLED TO A FEE AND THEY WOULD STILL GET THIS WAY, GET SOME FEE. SO THAT'S WHERE I COME OUT. BUT I, IT'S, IT'S FUNNY IT DIDN'T LAST 10 MINUTES. IT LASTED. DIDN'T LAST TWO MINUTES, BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT. OKAY. PETE, DO YOU WANNA YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO RESPOND A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. I DON'T THINK IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PARTNERSHIP AND, UH, FEE FOR SERVICE MODEL. I THINK IT'S LAST MINUTE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO NEGOTIATE THINGS FROM THE D WHICH I'M, WHICH IS, I'M PRETTY AGAINST. SO YEAH, . OKAY. ANYTHING ON THE SIDE? MELISSA, YOU JUST, YEAH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UM, COUNSELOR ELLA AND COUNSELOR FURMAN. UH, WE MADE A DECISION. [05:30:01] WE WENT WITH WHAT THE CITY MANAGER HAD RECOMMENDED AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT IS A LAST MINUTE NEGOTIATION, UM, FROM THE DS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT, THAT FEELS IN INCORRECT TO ME. SO I'M NOT INCLINED TO VOTE TO, UH, CHANGE WHAT WE ALREADY VOTED ON. OKAY. INTERESTING. VICE MAYOR, ANYTHING, FRANKLY, I THOUGHT I WAS VOTING FOR 80% OF THE, OF THE, OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS MADE. I DIDN'T UN UNDERSTAND THAT IT REMOVED THE FEE. SO I'M TOTALLY COMFORTABLE VOTING IN SUPPORT OF WHAT I THOUGHT I VOTED ON ALREADY. THAT'S FINE. . YEAH. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE WITH STAYING WHERE YOU WERE? NO, I'M FINE WITH VOTING FOR 80% OF THE TOTAL COST OF, OF THE PROPOSAL. OF THE PROPOSAL, WHICH WOULD BE 424,000. OKAY. NOW I'M CONFUSED. BEAR WITH ME CUZ IT'S LATE AND WE STILL YES. SO IF YOU, YOU WANNA CHANGE IT OR JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS? CHANGE IT. NO, YOU WANNA LEAVE IT THE WAY YOU WANT? NO, I DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION YET. OH, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU DID. I'M SORRY. MAYBE I DID. NO YOU DIDN'T. NO, YOU I DIDN'T THINK I DID. I STOPPED YOU BECAUSE WE WANTED TO DISCUSS IT. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND TOURISM BUREAUS REQUEST TO CONTRACT FOR THE OPERATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER FOR FY 24 IN THE AMOUNT OF $424,000, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? NO OPPOSED. OKAY. RAISE YOUR HAND FOR OPPOSITION. SO FOUR THREE JOANNE? UH, THE OPPOSITION WOULD BE BRIAN. I'M SORRY, PETE. UH, YEAH, SEE IT'S WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE TAKE I GO TO BELIZE. SEE, UH, PETE, UH, KATHY AND, UH, MELISSA BELIZE. I'S THAT, DID YOU GO TO BELIZE? I MUST HAVE, BECAUSE I'M TALKING CRAZY AGAIN BECAUSE I'M MIXING THESE TWO GUYS UP. I WAS DOING REALLY GOOD FOR A COUPLE DAYS. . OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON. IT'S, OH, IT'S GONNA BE MIDNIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD THANK. THANK YOU COUNSEL. APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHT. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. I FEEL LIKE I'VE JUST PLAYED A FOOTBALL GAME. YOU'LL HAVE TO SHAKE. ALL IS BETTER YOU GUYS OVER THERE THAN ME. YEAH. THANKS KATHY. WHAT YOU DOING? ? OKAY. UM, ITEM F AB 29 55. DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING A PROCESS FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW CI UH, CITY ORDINANCES. THIS IS GOING TO BE PRE PRESENTED BY YOU AND KATHY. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THIS A A 15 MINUTE OR IS THIS A, A JUST A PRESENTATION. KURT. FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION. 20 MINUTE DISCUSSION. 20 MINUTES, CORRECT. OKAY. GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR ELL FOR SECONDING THE MOTION BACK ON THE APRIL 25TH AGENDA. UH, FROM, SO JUST THE PACKET HAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT YOU CAN ALL SEE. UM, FOR ME, THIS IS, UH, JUST A, A SIMPLE CLARIFICATION OF RULES ABOUT HOW WE CONSIDER NEW ORDINANCES IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S REALLY AN OPEN GOVERNMENT SUNSHINE ISSUE FOR ME. IT'S KIND OF SAY WHAT YOU DO AND DO WHAT YOU SAY, WHICH IS IN FACT, OUR CURRENT PRACTICE FOR CONSIDERING NEW ORDINANCES AND IT HONORS RESIDENTS AND GIVES THEM THE ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITY FOR ENGAGEMENT. I DID DISCUSS THIS WITH BOTH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY PRIOR TO OUR APRIL 25TH MEETING. THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS, I THINK POTENTIALLY SEEMED SUPPORTIVE, AND, UH, WE CAN ASK THEM FOR THEIR THOUGHTS. UH, IN, IN, IN THIS PROCESS, THIS, UH, REQUIREMENT REALLY IS JUST FOR NEW ORDINANCE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO READINGS IN SEPARATE MEETINGS AND APPLIES ONLY TO NEW ORDINANCES, NOT MODIFICATION OF EXISTING ORDINANCES. SO IF YOU LOOK AT PARAGRAPH A IN YOUR PAR IN YOUR PACKET, IT'S, THIS RETAINS THE EXISTING LANGUAGE, BUT THERE IS SOME WORD CHANGES BECAUSE WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, I CLEANED UP THE ANTIQUATED PRINTED LANGUAGE, UM, FOR HIS REQUEST. AND THEN I ADDED A NEW PARAGRAPH B, WHICH SAYS, NEW ORDINANCE REQUIRE TWO READINGS, BUT THEN ALSO THERE'S AN EMERGENCY OVERRIDE FOR THIS COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION IN ONE MEETING IF WE VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO PASS AN ORDINANCE [05:35:01] ON ITS FIRST APPEARANCE IN FRONT OF US. THE CITY ATTORNEY DID DO A LITTLE SURVEY OF CITIES IN ARIZONA THROUGH HIS CHAT GROUP. HE CAN EXPLAIN MAYBE MORE WHAT THAT IS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. UM, IT DID SHOW A MIXED BAG OF ONE AND TWO READINGS REQUIRED IN CITIES THROUGHOUT ARIZONA. UM, MANY, UH, REQUIRING TWO READINGS ALSO HAVE THE UNANIMOUS, UM, EMERGENCY OVERRIDE IN PLACE. THOSE CITIES ALL INCLUDE FLAGSTAFF, PAYSON, APACHE JUNCTION, PRESCOTT VALLEY, MESA LAKE, HAVASU CITY, AND CHANDLER. I ALSO SPOKE WITH THE ARIZONA LEAGUE, WHICH REALLY TOOK NO POSITION IN, IN, UH, RECOMMENDING POLICIES TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, A MAJORITY VOTE ON THIS TODAY WILL SEND IT BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR HIM TO CRAFT OFFICIAL LANGUAGE. AND I WROTE IT PERHAPS THINKING THAT, UH, THE LANGUAGE I PROPOSED WAS FOR US TO UNDERSTAND IT MORE. UH, HE MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT VERSION OF LANGUAGE FOR US TO ADOPT. AND KATHY, ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS? YES. UM, WE, AS WE'VE JUST WITNESSED, DEVELOP THINGS AS WE GO ALONG. WHEN SOMETHING, WHEN ORDINANCE IS PROPOSED, WE QUITE OFTEN DICKER WITH IT AND CHANGE IT FROM THE DAIS. UM, AND I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THE FIRST READING IS, KNOW WHAT THE SECOND READING IS, THAT THERE'S AN AMENDMENT SO THAT THEY CAN DIGEST THOSE CHANGES, WHICH WE ARE MAKING FROM THE BENEFIT OF HAVING HAD MAYBE A MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, MAYBE HAVING PICKED THE BRAIN OF OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, UM, WHICH THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD. UH, TO ME THIS IS A, A, A BEST PRACTICE OF TRUE OPEN COMMUNICATIVE GOVERNMENT. AGAIN, THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO EXISTING ORDINANCES THAT WE WANNA TWEAK. THOSE ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. THEY'RE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL BE FAMILIAR WITH OR IT'S NOT SOMETHING, IT'S NEW LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THIS IS FOR NEW ORDINANCES ONLY. I I I, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL AS THOUGH WE ARE DOING THE PROPER DILIGENCE FOR THE, ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY DUE DILIGENCE IF WE PRESENT AN ORDINANCE, TWEAK IT AND PASS IT IN THE SAME NIGHT. UH, SO FOR ME, THIS IS A GOOD GOVERNMENT ISSUE. THIS IS AN OPEN GOVERNMENT ISSUE. IT'S, UH, SOMETHING I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT. I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR, UH, YEARS, RIGHT, KAREN , UH, SINCE FOR A LONG TIME. SO I'M REALLY GLAD TO HAVE, UH, OTHERS SEE SOME OF THE VALUE OF HAVING A PRACTICE THAT WOULD MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT WHAT WE DO, EXCEPT IN CERTAIN TIMES THAT WE DON'T. AND IN THOSE, SO THOSE INCONSISTENCIES WHERE THE, THE TROUBLE COMES UP. SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN EMPOWER THIS TO GO FORWARD, HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY BRING BACK OFFICIAL LANGUAGE FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, THAT WE CAN THEN PASS AFTER WE HEAR IT TWICE. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A QUESTION. SECOND, CAN WE TALK ON THE MICS IF WE'RE GONNA TALK? THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UH, SO THE SECOND READING, ARE YOU PROPOSING OR FIRST READING? WE GO THROUGH THE TWO HOUR, ONE HOUR, WHATEVER IT IS. THEN WE DO A FULL SECOND MEETING. THE SAME THING ALL OVER, OR, CAUSE I'M SEEING SOMETHING HERE. IT SAYS READINGS WILL BE BY TITLE ONLY IF THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IS INCLUDED IN THE REGULARLY DISTRIBUTED, UH, COUNSEL PACKET. SO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THERE'S A, A TRADITION IN CITIES WHICH ACTUALLY THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES IS TELLING ME THAT'S KIND OF GOING AWAY ABOUT THIS OFFICIAL READING OF ORDINANCES. AND, AND WE DON'T OFFICIALLY READ ORDINANCES HERE, WHICH WOULD ENTAIL READING EVERY WORD IN THE ORDINANCE. THEY'RE GENERALLY IN OUR PACKETS AND WE DON'T DO THAT READING. SO, UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT LANGUAGE IS TRYING TO CLEAR UP WHAT OUR CURRENT RULES SAY ABOUT READING OF THE ORDINANCES. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR, IF WE HAVE A, A FIRST HEARING AND THERE'S LOTS OF DISCUSSION AND PERHAPS WE MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE, THEN YES, WHEN IT COMES BACK THE SECOND TIME, WE HAVE ANOTHER PROCESS OF, OF HAVING DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IT IS. IF NOTHING CHANGES, THE SECOND WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION IF WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON IT. RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S KINDA UP TO US. IF, IF WE'VE HEARD IT ONCE, NOTHING CHANGED, IT COMES BACK A SECOND TIME. IT DOESN'T NEED TO TAKE TWO HOURS. OKAY. MY ISSUE IS WE CHANGED SOMETHING IN THE SECOND MEETING. DO WE HAVE DIDN'T HAVE A THIRD MEETING? NO, NO, NO. IT SAYS AT LEAST TWO WE COULD, IF WE ALL DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE. BUT IT SAYS TWO. AND I UNDERSTAND FROM, WE'VE HAD INSTANCES SUCH AS THE URINATION OF PUBLIC, WE HAD ONE MEETING THE OHVS, WE PLAN ON HAVING SEVERAL. TO ME, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MM-HMM. INTENSITY. UH, AND THE CONCERN, UH, SO I JUST WANT JUST UNDERSTAND TO, TO WHAT END. AND THEN, [05:40:01] KAREN, DO YOU REMEMBER THE HISTORY WHEN YOU FIRST GOT HERE? I BELIEVE THERE WERE SECOND READINGS THAT, THAT THAT WAS A TRUE WORK SESSION ON THE WEDNESDAY, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST READING. AND THEN IT WENT TO THE NEXT MEETING AS, AS A, UH, REGULAR, UH, AGENDA ITEM ON A REGULAR, YOU KNOW, ON A TUESDAY. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT AT ALL? THE RULES WERE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY ARE NOW. WE CUSTOMARILY HAVE WORK SESSIONS WHEN IT IS A COMPLEX TOPIC, WHEN IT, WE NEED TO DEDICATE THAT KIND OF TIME SIMPLY FOR QUESTIONS, CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION. AND THEN IT IS IZED FOR SOME KIND OF ACTION BASED ON TYPICALLY THE DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION FROM THE WORK SESSION. BUT IT WAS NOT A SEPARATE, FORMAL, DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN WHAT WE EMPLOY NOW. AND I WOULD SAY, MAYOR, THAT THAT OLD PROCESS WOULD FIT IN THIS GUIDELINES. WE WOULD HAVE THE FIRST HEARING ON THE, ON THE NEW ORDINANCE IN A WORK SESSION, AND WE COULD PASS IT THEN IN A SUBSEQUENT MEETING THAT WOULD MEET THE INTENT OF, I THINK WHAT I, WHAT I DRAFTED. AND WHY DID WE GET AWAY FROM THAT, KAREN? WE, WE DIDN'T, IT, THERE WAS NOT A DIFFERENT PROCESS. OKAY. SO THEN HOW IS IT AND WHY IS IT DIFFERENT? THE, THE RULES TODAY, SAY ONE HEARING. SO WE COULD BRING IT TO A COUNCIL MEETING ON A TUESDAY AND SOMEONE COULD TRY TO MAKE A MOTION AND PASS IT AND JAM IT DOWN THE THROATS OF OUR COMMUNITY. WHICH I, THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT. OKAY. I KNOW WHICH, WHICH, WHICH, THERE IS A POINT IN CASE THERE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH PUBLIC URINATION LAW THAT WAS, THAT DID NOT RECEIVE A SECOND THAT WAS INTRODUCED AND PASSED IN THE SAME NIGHT. OKAY. SO IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS STILL GOING ON, AND I MEAN WE DO THIS EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK, WHERE IS THE ISSUE AT THAT IT'S STILL, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE, OTHER THAN THE URINATION. WE, WE JUST HAD AN EXAMPLE. I JUST GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THAT, WHERE WE DID STRAY FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN PRACTICE THAT WE'VE HAD, THE PRACTICE THAT WE'VE HAD GENERALLY IS NOT A FAULTY PRACTICE. THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T REFLECT WHAT WE HAVE IN PRACTICE. THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED US TO VARY FROM OUR PRACTICE IN A WAY THAT DID RESULT IN SOMETHING THAT WAS INTRODUCED AND PASSED IN THE SAME NIGHT, WHICH WE, I WOULD LIKE TO AVOID HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. EXACTLY. THIS BRINGS US IN ALIGNMENT. NO, I I IT CODIFIES WHAT IS PRACTICE. I'M GONNA HOLD MY, THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS TO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? OKAY. SO ANY DISCUSSION, ANY COMMENTS? THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. , DO YOU WANT, DO YOU HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK, NO, I'M NOT GONNA AHEAD PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH, THANK YOU. GET A CARD PODIUM SPEAK AND FILL OUT A CARD. YEAH. WANT TO TALK ABOUT I FILL A CARD OUT. OKAY. PULL IT OUT LATER. YOU KNOW WHO I AM. OKAY. YOU STILL HAVE TO SAY WHO YOU ARE. SAL, GIOVANNI, SEDONA. YOU HAVE TO SAY IT. THE MIKE SAL. YOU HAVE TO SAY IT TO MIKE. OKAY. JUST ONE MINUTE OR TWO MINUTES. YOU GOT THREE MINUTES. I NEED ONE. YOUR CHOICE. SAL DE GIOVANNI. IT'S, IT'S EVERYBODY LEFT HERE. GOD, YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE LONG MEETINGS. BEEN LIVING IN SEDONAS SINCE, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER. 1980, I GUESS BEFORE IT WAS THE CITY. IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE AGENDA, YOU DIDN'T REALLY IDENTIFY ANYTHING. AND I AGREE WITH YOU AND YOU, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO JAM SOMETHING DOWN THE THROATS OF EVERYBODY OR DO YOU WANT TO BE UP UPFRONT, HAVE YOUR EXTRA MEETING, OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST COUNT THAT OTHER MEETING THAT DIDN'T REALLY MATERIALIZE AND THEN JAM SOMETHING DOWN THE THROATS OF THE CITY? I THINK IT'S JUST BAD BUSINESS AND WE'LL COME AND REFLECT BACK TO YOU. I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS THING VERY, VERY OPEN AND DISCUSSED. ANY COMMENTS YOU CAN TELL TO ME, IT'S FINE. NO, WE CAN'T. NOBODY'S HERE. THAT'S OKAY. WE CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. THEY'RE OUT THERE. THEY'RE STILL WATCHING, RIGHT? OKAY. NOT AT THIS MOMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU SHOULD DO. I KNOW THE MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS THING DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW THAT THE, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, SHOULD WE SAY THIS? WE SAY THAT ALOUD? YEAH, I'M GONNA SAY IT. IT'S ABOUT THE OH FEES. I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAYOR TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT. THERE'S ABOUT 30% OF ALL THE AO YOU SEE OUT THERE ARE LOCALLY OWNED. YOU GONNA TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY BOUGHT THEIR SECOND CAR AND THEY CAN'T DRIVE [05:45:01] THEM ANYMORE? YES. ARE YOU GONNA TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT, UH, YOU CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE? THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT, I GO TO B'S. I SEE PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. MARTHA, YOU TOOK THE LINCOLN. OH, WELL WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WELL, I'M GETTING MY HAIR DONE. WELL USE THE UH, HO V TO GO GET SOME MILK AND STUFF. YOU HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT TO ANYBODY. THERE'S A LOT OF OH FEES SOLD PRIVATELY IN THIS CITY. I KNOW. TO SAVE TRAFFIC. LET'S GET RID OF THE OH FEES. THAT'LL BE LESS TRAFFIC. LET'S GET THE RESTAURANTS TO DO LESS. I'M GONNA TAKE, TAKE ANOTHER MINUTE. EXCUSE ME. YOU HAVE NO, YOU CAN'T TAKE ANOTHER MINUTE. THIS IS NOT ON THE TOPIC WE'RE DISCUSSING AT ALL. THAT WOULD BE MAYOR, DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE IT GO THROUGH WHAT SHE SAID, A COUPLE OF EXTRAS. SO IF YOU HAD THREE MEETINGS, YOU'LL JUST LOOK LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO HIDE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALDI. GIOVANNI, PLEASE FILL, FILL OUT A CARD, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, UH, I THINK THAT BRINGING THE LANGUAGE INTO LINE WITH WHAT IS OUR INTENDED NORMAL COURSE OF PRACTICE MAKES SENSE. I SEE NO UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY, UH, SO I WOULD, I KNOW THIS IS TECHNICALLY IS ONLY FOR DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION. IT SAYS HERE. IS THAT REALLY THE CASE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA, MAYOR AND COUNSELOR. SO IF, IF WE JUST GET WHAT EVERYONE, IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL SUPPORT SYSTEM, I'LL BRING BACK, UM, A FINAL ORDINANCE. YOU JUST NEED THREE ORDINANCE PLEASE UPON PERSONAL TIME. OKAY. NO, I NEED A, A MAJORITY. OKAY. WELL I'M SUPPORTIVE. THANK YOU MAYOR. MELISSA, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD OVER WHAT BRIAN SAID. THERE'S NO, NO REASON NOT TO SUPPORT THIS. I WOULD SUPPORT IT. VICE MAYOR. I DON'T SUPPORT IT. I DON'T SUPPORT HAVING ANYTHING BE UNANIMOUS REQUIRING UNIT A UNANIMOUS TO, TO, UM, TO OVERRULE IT. AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE MOST OF THE CITIES AND TOWNS IN ARIZONA REQUIRE THIS. SO IT WAS A BUT IT WAS LIKE FIVE CITIES. NO, IT WAS ABOUT 59%. UH, DON'T REQUIRE TWO MEETINGS OR READINGS. AND ABOUT 41% DO WELL. WELL, CAN WE DO SOMETHING THAT'S, I I DON'T SUPPORT UNANIMOUS. I WOULD SUPPORT SUPER MAJORITY, BUT I DO NOT SUPPORT UNANIMOUS. THAT'S ALL. AND WE, WE HAVE ONE EXAMPLE IN HOW MANY YEARS? MM-HMM. ONE EXAMPLE, WHAT ARE WE, WE'RE FIXING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BROKEN. SO IF IT IS OUR TYPICAL PROCESS, WHICH IS FINE, BUT TO REQUIRE IT TO BE UNANIMOUS, I I DON'T SUPPORT, I DON'T, EXCUSE ME. THE UNANIMOUS PART IS JUST IF WE PETE HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED. OH, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE RECOGNIZED. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR KURT. WE HAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN OUR RULES ABOUT, UH, EMERGENCY ACTIONS. WHAT, REMIND ME WHAT THE VOTE REQUIREMENT IS FOR THAT. IS IT UNANIMOUS OR A SUPER MAJORITY? NOT RECALLING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD COUNSELOR. I KNOW. I THINK THE ONLY EMERGENCY POWERS ARE MAYOR'S POWERS AND DON'T REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL ACTION. UM, OR THAT CITY MANAGER CAN ALSO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ABOVE HER AUTHORITY AND EMERGENCY SITUATIONS AND COME BACK TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL. BUT IT JUST REQUIRES A MAJORITY. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST THE SUPER MAJORITY, UH, REQUIREMENT IN THIS THING AS WELL. WHAT'S A SUPER MAJORITY THEN? YES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? TALI? YES. USUALLY THREE QUARTERS, BUT WE COULD SAY NO, I KNOW, BUT INSTEAD OF IT BEING SEVEN, IT WOULD BE SIX. YEAH. SIX. SIX. SO IF I CAN JUST ASK A QUESTION HERE THEN, KATHY. UM, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE ORIGINAL, UH, A ALL ORDINANCES SHALL HAVE AT LEAST ONE READING HAS THE WORD UNANIMOUSLY IN THERE. SO THAT'S THE CURRENT LANGUAGE. SO THAT, NO, THAT'S THE WAIVING OF THE READING. YEAH, THAT'S THE WAIVING OF THE READING OF THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE. RIGHT. WHICH, WHICH IS JUST KIND, IT KIND OF IS AN ANTIQUATED PROCESS. UM, YOU GET IN, IN CONGRESS YOU HAVE THE READING CLERK THAT HAS TO READ ON THE FLOOR OF THE WHOLE LAW AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PAGES. THEY READ IT OVERNIGHT AND THE WEEKENDS WHEN NO ONE'S THERE AND THEN IT GETS DONE, THEY CHECK THE BOX. SO INSTEAD, AS LONG AS NO COUNSELORS HAVE OBJECTED TO THAT, WE'VE DONE READING BY TITLE ONLY AND NO ONE'S OBJECTED TO THAT IN UM, A NUMBER OF YEARS IF EVER. SO AHEAD KATHY. SO I, I SEE THAT, I MEAN, TO ME, WHETHER IT'S UNANIMOUS OR SUPER MAJORITY, THAT'S A TWEAK AND THAT'S A TWEAK THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE SUPPORT THIS GOING FORWARD TO [05:50:01] COME BACK WITH THE LANGUAGE. BUT TO ME IT'S THE SAME AS IT ONLY TAKES ONE PERSON TO PULL SOMETHING FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO TO ME IT'S SIMILAR THAT BY SAYING IT, IT WOULD'VE TO BE UNANIMOUS GIVES THE RIGHT TO SAY IF ONE PERSON OBJECTS, THEN YOU HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M NOT MARRIED TO IT BEING, UM, UNANIMOUS VERSUS SUPER MAJORITY. BUT THAT'S JUST SUCH A SMALL PART THAT JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE WAVING OF THE, OF THE FULL UNANIMOUS DOESN'T APPLY TO THE ORDINANCE ADOPTION ITSELF. I JUST WANTED BE CLEAR. NO, I'VE WRITTEN IT DOES, I'M SORRY, KATHY. I THINK VICE MAYOR IS POINTING TO PARAGRAPH B. YEAH. WHERE I PUT IN THE UNANIM APPROVAL FOR THE SECOND READING. SO THAT'S, THEY WAIVED THE READING ON UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE MAJORITY OF THAT I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S NOT THE READ. I GOT YOU. IT WAS, I WAS LOOKING A AND YOU B LET HER FINISH PLEASE. WE CAN'T HAVE THREE PEOPLE. YOU GOT PETE, I'M SORRY. YOU CAN'T BE TALKING OVER EACH OTHER. NO, WE WERE AGREEING. NO, AND THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR COUNSEL DIRECTION NOW ON WITH THAT PARAGRAPH B BEING SIX VOTES , HOWEVER YOU WANNA PHRASE THAT, KURT. YEAH, IT'D HAVE TO BE SIX. CAUSE I MEAN YOU GET THREE QUARTERS OF SEVEN AND IS IT 5.25? SO THEN YOU HAVE TO SAY THREE QUARTERS ROUNDED UP OR DOWN TO THE NEAREST ONE. AND SO IT'S EASIER JUST TO STATE A NUMBER AT THAT POINT. IT'S FINE. OKAY. I, SO YOU ARE NOW SUPPORTING OF IT AS LONG AS THAT, THAT ONE WORD IS CHANGED TO SUPER MAJORITY. OKAY. WELL IT'S SIX. HE'S GONNA PUT NUMBER SIX. OKAY. SIX IS BETTER. WELL, WHAT IF SOMEBODY'S OUT SICK OF THOSE COUNSELORS PRESENT, I THINK IS GENERALLY HOW WE YEAH, KURT'S GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE SEND IT TO THE ATTORNEY AND DON'T CRAFT LANGUAGE ON THE DYES. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY WE USE TERMS LIKE SUPER MAJORITY INSTEAD OF NUMBERS. MM-HMM. . RIGHT? BECAUSE IT DOES HAPPEN. RIGHT? SOME PEOPLE GO TO BELIZE AND SOME PEOPLE GO, OKAY, WRONG COTTON THAT MAYOR, WHAT'S THATS AND MOROCCO. OKAY, MOROCCO. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING A THUMBS UP? BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL VOTE. LIKE IT'S HOW MANY YOU'RE GONNA SUPPORT AGENDA NOW? I FEEL LIKE NUMBERS I HAVEN'T HEARD REALLY FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. I'M SUPPORTING, UH, WITH THE ALREADY WITH THE CHANGE ALREADY. FINE. ALRIGHT. THEN I WILL WORK ON THE ORDINANCE AND BRING BACK, UH, PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO COUNCIL. THANK YOU COUNSELORS. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MAYBE THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY. WE'LL SEE. OKAY. WE GOOD MOVING FORWARD. RIGHT. ITEM G AB 29 57 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE, UH, DIRECTION REGARDING INPUT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ON NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE PLAN TO BUILD A NEW MEDICAL FACILITY IN FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA. THIS IS THE VICE MAYORS. YEAH. UH, I DON'T HAVE A PROPOSED, UM, UH, POSITION. I, I THINK THAT IT HAS BEEN REPRESENTED THAT THE VERDE VALLEY IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE BUILDING OF THE NORTH, NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE FACILITY IN FLAGSTAFF. AND I DON'T THINK WE DO HAVE A POSITION, SO I DON'T THINK WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE FORWARD OR AGAINST IT. SO I WOULD LIKE THE GO ON RECORD TO SAY THAT WE AT THIS POINT ARE NEUTRAL SO THAT NOBODY CAN SAY THE ENTIRE VERDICT. WE CAN'T. SO IT'S NOT REPRESENTED THAT WE HAVE A POSITION WE DON'T HAVE. THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE KNOWING WHAT'S BEEN SAID. SO, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. KATHY. YEAH, I WAS THE SECOND ON THIS. UM, YEAH, I, AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT IT BEING REPRESENTED AND I THINK THERE'S JUST BEEN MISCOMMUNICATION OUT THERE BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN, BROAD STATEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE BY AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO HAS A POSITION ON THIS STATING THAT THERE'S BROAD SUPPORT AND SAYING COMMUNITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY. BUT WE ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE SEDONA. WE DO NOT HAVE A POSITION, I I ACTUALLY ON THIS CASE THINK WE SHOULD BE NEUTRAL. I DON'T THINK I WANT TO INTERFERE WITH FLAGSTAFF'S PROCESS, NOR DO I HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT FLAGSTAFF HAS HAD THE BENEFIT OF KNOWING AND GOING THROUGH. I'VE LOOKED AT THERE SOME OF THE ZONING STUFF, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. BUT I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR AND NOT HAVE IT REPRESENTED. I WANT US TO ALSO, UM, SHOULD WE ACT ON, ON THIS BY SAYING THAT OUR POSITION IS NEUTRAL? I WANT THAT COMMUNICATED TO THE, UM, ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO'S BEEN REPRESENTING [05:55:01] THAT THERE ARE POSITIONS AND THAT WITH THE REQUEST THAT IT BE CLARIFIED THAT SHE'S NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SEDONA. OKAY. AND THE OTHER, PETE, DO YOU HAVE ANY POSITION ON THIS? I HAVE, BY THE WAY, I DO AGREE WITH, UH, KATHY AND HOLLY. SO PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I, I THINK I DIRECTIONALLY KIND OF AGREE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RECORD, FLAGSTAFF DID THEIR SECOND READING AND PASSED THIS ARGUMENT. DID DO A SECOND READING. UM, ACTUALLY, SO I DIDN'T PASS THE ORDINANCE. THEY REZONED. YES, THAT'S TRUE. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, LACKING, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ACTION WANTS TO TAKE CARE. I DON'T WANNA SEND ANYTHING TO FLAGSTAFF TO COMMUNICATE. I DON'T WANNA PLAY IN THEIR PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SUPERVISOR DID OR DIDN'T. I KNOW WHAT SHE WROTE, BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE WRITTEN THINGS THAT DON'T EXACTLY COME OUT THE WAY THAT I INTEND TO BE EITHER. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE ACT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ACTION WE'RE ASKING. I'M, I GUESS I'M UNCLEAR AS TO WHAT ACTION IF WE'RE ASKING. I AGREE THAT SHE DOESN'T SPEAK FOR US AS A CITY. SHE DOESN'T SPEAK FOR THIS BODY. AND UH, AND, AND THAT'S CLEAR ENOUGH FOR ME THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST SAYING THAT I JUST WANT IT ON THE RECORD THAT WE ARE NEUTRAL ON THIS. RIGHT? SO IT CANNOT BE REPRE. YES. SO IT CANNOT BE REPRESENTED THAT WE ARE POSED. SO QUESTION. SORRY JESSICA. SO THIS WOULDN'T REQUIRE A LETTER TO ANYBODY? NO, IT'S JUST THIS. THAT'S FINE AS LONG AS NOTHING ELSE IS DONE. MY QUESTION IS A PROCESS QUESTION THOUGH. IN ORDER FOR US TO OFFICIALLY TAKE A NEW NEUTRAL POSITION, DOESN'T THAT HAVE TO BE TAKING A NEUTRAL POSITION INSTEAD OF MOVE FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION ONLY? DO WE, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A VOTE THAT WE ARE NEUTRAL? KURT, MAYOR AND COUNCILOR, SINCE YOU WERE FOR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ONLY, YOU CAN'T TAKE A VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT. YOU'D HAVE TO THUMBS UP. YOU CAN DIS YOU CAN DISCUSS IT AND YOU CAN REPRESENT YOUR POSITIONS INDIVIDUALLY. WE COULD TAKE A VOTE AT ANOTHER MEETING IF YOU WANTED TO RESCHEDULE THIS FOR A VOTE. YES. IF WE WANTED TO. I THINK I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT SO THAT THERE'S NO MISCOMMUNICATION. SO THE RECORD IS CLEARLY PRESERVED. UM, I KNOW IT IS BY THIS BEING RECORDED, BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, I WANT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE POINTED TO THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE NEUTRAL. SO I, I I THINK I'M, I I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE MOVE THIS FORWARD FOR AN ACTUAL ACTION OF NEUTRALITY. COULD IT BE ON THE CONSENT TO YET, BUT COULD BE AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT AGAIN. THIS GOES ON A CONSENT AGENDA. I WON'T PULL IT. . YOU SURE. OKAY. IS EVERYONE IN AGREEMENT? SURE. YES. I, BRIAN, I AM IN AGREEMENT, BUT AS A BYPRODUCT OF WHAT NAHH IS DOING, AND THIS IS FOR YET ANOTHER IZED ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GET NAHH TO RELINQUISH THE LAND BEHIND THE EMERGENCY CENTER. WE CAN'T EVEN DISCUSS THAT. WE CAN PUT IT THAT AGENDA, BUT, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA INVEST THERE AND WE KNOW THEY'RE NEVER GONNA INVEST HERE. SO YEAH, I, I DO UNDERSTAND. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT FOR TODAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GETTING THAT OUT. UH, MELISSA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE? CAUSE YOU DIDN'T, OKAY, I GUESS I JUST HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION HERE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHEN WE TAKE ACTION ON STATE LEGISLATION. WE VOTE AND THEN OUR LOBBYISTS AND PERHAPS WE WRITE LETTERS TO A BODY. AND ARE WE PROPOSING THAT WE WRITE A LETTER TO WHAT BODY? THE ACCOUNTING SUPERVISORS OR NO, JUST THAT WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL RECORD. SO WE COULD SAY WE DID, WE'RE TAKING NO POSITION ON SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR SAID. IF WE EVER NEEDED TO WRITE A LETTER, WE WOULD HAVE A POSITION. I WOULD THINK OUR DISCUSSION TODAY IS SUFFICIENT, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT OBJECTING TO, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT POSITION VERY OFFICIALLY TO SEE. SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS TO YOU, A CONSTITUENT COMES UP TO YOU IN THE SUPERMARKET AND SAYS, WHAT IS THE CITY'S POSITION ON, ON THE NAHH EXPANSION? HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THAT? I WOULD SAY TO THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, WE HAVE NO POSITION. WE DIDN'T TAKE A POSITION AND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE HAVE NO POSITION. WE DIDN'T TAKE A POSITION. SO PLEASE DON'T REPRESENT THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING US, KURT IS, I, I AGREE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S SUFFICIENT. THEN YOU CAN POINT TO THE, IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW MORE, LOOK AT THE JUNE 13TH, 2023 MEETING. THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE A POSITION MEANS WE HAVE NO POSITION THAT COULD BE QUOTED. [06:00:01] I THINK I COULD BE CONVINCED OF THIS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. ITEM H. MAYOR, I DO HAVE JUST A VERY BRIEF REPORT. OKAY. REPORT DISCUSSION REGARDING COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. YEAH. UM, PETE, YEAH. PUBLIC SAFETY MILITARY AFFAIRS AND COURTS POLICY COMMITTEE OF LEAGUE, ARIZONA TOWNS. WE DID TAKE ACTION ON MUNICIPAL JAILS CANNOT CURRENTLY HAVE BODY SCANNERS UNDER CURRENT REGULATIONS. SO THE, UH, THE SUB, UH, POLICY COMMITTEE MEETING DID PASS UNANIMOUSLY AND IT WILL BE MOVED TO THE RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE THAT THE LEAGUE WILL TAKE UP IN THE ANNUAL MEETING. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, VICE MAYOR? YES. I'M GLAD. I'M ECSTATICALLY HAPPY TO TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE COMMITTEE ON NEIGHBORHOOD SUSTAINABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE UNANIMOUSLY PASSED A, UH, RESOLUTION FOR THE LEAGUE TO SUPPORT CAPS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. YAY. AND IT WILL BE MOVED TO THE RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE AT THE LEAGUE CONFERENCE. THAT'S ASSUMING THAT THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE WILL READ IT INTO THE RECORD IF IT EVER GETS THAT FAR. , SORRY, I'M JADED. VERY. OKAY. UM, SO, SO DO YOU WANT ME TO REPORT OUT ON THE KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM GSRC? UH, IF YOU FEEL IT'S NECESSARY. I THINK IF, IF YOU COULD, AT 11 O'CLOCK, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU BRIEF YOU, YOU ASKED ME TO DO IT. I DID. AND, AND I ONE OF, AND YOU DID, I HEARD SEVERAL BITS OF FEEDBACK THAT THEY WERE VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR, YOUR INPUT, SO. SURE. SO IT'S REALLY JUST THREE BULLET POINTS IS THE KEY TAKEAWAYS, PLEASE. SO LET ME DO REALLY QUICKLY. THE WORKING GROUP MET THIS LAST WEEK. MELISSA, COULD YOU USE YOUR MIC PLEASE? SURE. UM, THE WORKING GROUP, UH, MET THIS WEEK. THE BROAD WORKING GROUP MET THIS WEEK ALONG WITH THE UPDATES. THE KEY TAKEAWAYS WERE THE WORKING GROUP DISCUSSED POTENTIAL STAGING AREAS. SO ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD DISCUSSED WITH KURT, UM, THAT WAS DISCUSSED. UH, ALONG WITH ALL THE COMPLEXITIES THAT GO WITH THAT, THE WORKING GROUP THEN AGREED TO UTILIZE THE INTER-AGENCY VISITOR USE, UM, MANAGEMENT FRAMEWORK, WHICH IS WHAT IS USED BY, UH, THE FOREST SERVICE AND, UM, NATIONAL PARKS. IT WAS RECOGNIZED THAT USING THE FRAMEWORK WOULD NOT ONLY STREAMLINE THE WORKING GROUP EFFORTS, BUT ALSO HELP STREAMLINE ANY AGENCY DECISION MAKING BASED ON THE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE IT'D BE RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE WAY THEY USE THEIR LANGUAGE. UM, AND THEY, UH, LAST POINT IS THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS IDENTIFIED TOP STRATEGIES THEY THINK THEY WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE IN THE NEAR TERM, WHICH INCLUDES A PERMITTING SYSTEM, IMPROVING THE MOTORIZED SYSTEM, MEANING THE ROOTS, UM, IMPLEMENTING SPEED LIMITS, RESTORATION. UM, AND THERE ARE A FEW OTHER, UH, ITEMS THAT WEREN'T FULLY DEVELOPED AT THAT POINT. THE NEXT STEPS THEN WERE FOR EXPLORING THE STRATEGIES AND THEY WILL BE IDENTIFIED AT THE NEXT MEETING. PERFECT. SO, PROGRESS. PROGRESS, YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, VICE MAYOR, YOU, SO YOU HAD YOUR THING. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER POINTS? OH, OKAY. UH, FUTURE MEETING IS TOMORROW MORNING, 8:00 AM RIGHT HERE. THERE'LL BE A HOT POT OF COFFEE GOING IN THE KITCHEN FOR THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE TO KEUR LIKE ME. SO, UH, I, IF WE'RE HEARING NO. ANY OBJECTIONS TO ADJOURNING? HEARING NONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. JOE, WILL ANYBODY BE IN JOE? WHAT'S THAT? SHE HAS TO TURN OFF THE MICS. I WANNA LEAVE MY COMPUTER HERE. WELL, I AM TOO. YEAH. OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. OH, WE CAN LEAVE THEM? YES. OH. BLESS YOUR HEART. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.