* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YES. [00:00:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] OKAY. IT'S FOUR 30. WE'LL BE CALLING OUT THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY. WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. THANK YOU. AND NOW WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM [2. ROLL CALL] CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE VOCAL? MAYOR BLO. PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. HERE. COUNCILOR DUNN? HERE. COUNCILOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FURMAN? HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] OKAY. ITEM THREE, CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL STAFF OR THE PUBLIC TO PULL A CONSENT ITEM IF NECESSARY OR IF DESIRED. DOES ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY, HAVE ANY ISSUES? YES, KAREN? I, I THINK WE HAVE AN ITEM THAT COUNCILOR FOLTZ WOULD LIKE TO PULL. OH, UM, THE, THE PROCLAMATION ITEM. H H OH YEAH. MAYOR. THERE, THERE'S BEEN, UH, SOME MISINFORMATION, UH, IN THE MEDIA ABOUT THE, UH, BASIS BEHIND THIS PROCLAMATION, AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE REAL PURPOSE IS BEHIND ISSUING THIS PROCLAMATION. OKAY. I'M GLAD YOU, I'M GLAD KAREN BROUGHT IT UP. ALL. SO, KAREN, WELL, THAT'S ITEM H. YEP. THANKS, MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS. THE CONFUSION ABOUT THIS PROCLAMATION, WHICH IS A PROCLAMATION TO DECLARE, UM, SUPPORT FOR FUTURE ACTION PLANS AROUND THE FEDERAL SAFE STREETS FOR ALL PROGRAM HAS BEEN MISCONSTRUED TO BE SOMEHOW RELATED TO OUR RECENT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE O H V ORDINANCE OR A POTENTIAL O H V ORDINANCE IN THE FUTURE. AND THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT OTHER ISSUE. SO THIS IS A GRANT PROGRAM THAT WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A PROCLAMATION DECLARING OUR INTENT FOR AN ACTION PLAN AROUND SAFE STREETS. THIS IS A 5 BILLION ALLOCATION OVER FIVE YEARS. AND, UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING PROJECTS AND, AND APPLICATIONS FOR THE SAFE STREETS FOR ALL PROGRAM. SO WE ARE NOT DOING ANY PRESENTATION OF THE PROCLAMATION TONIGHT, BUT, UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR IT TO BE ADOPTED. OKAY. JESSICA, I, ARE YOU READY FOR MOTION? OH, I JUST WANT, WANT TO BE SURE THERE WEREN'T ANY QUESTIONS. I'M WELL SATISFIED, MAYOR. THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. I'M WELL SATISFIED WITH IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. SO ARE WE GONNA BE VOTING ON THAT ONE SEPARATELY? UH, I DON'T, YES. YES, YES, YES. I MOVE TO, UH, APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH G, G SECOND. OKAY. ALL, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A THROUGH G. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. OKAY, THEN A SECOND. AYE. MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM H. SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPOINTMENTS. ITEM FOUR, WE HAVE NONE. SUMMARY OF CURRENT [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER] EVENTS FROM MYSELF, COUNSELORS, OR THE, UH, CITY MANAGER, ANNA DEIS, WE HAVE KATHY. AND THEN THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF OUR HEAT MAPPING EXERCISE THAT WAS DONE ON SATURDAY. UM, THIS WAS A PROJECT OUTTA THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE, AND I'M SURE THEY'LL PROBABLY REPORT ON IT TOMORROW WHEN THEY MAKE A PRESENTATION, SO I WON'T GO INTO THAT. BUT I DID WANNA TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT HOW WONDERFUL I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT THEY ENGAGED SO MANY VOLUNTEERS FOR AN ACT OF, THIS WASN'T LIKE A WORK GROUP OR A THEORETICAL EXERCISES WAS SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE HAD TO GET UP EARLY, COMMIT TO BEING AVAILABLE ALL DAY LONG, BE SEPARATE TIMES. UM, AND THE, THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF ENGAGING THOSE FOLKS. AND [00:05:01] I HOPE THAT WE GOT SOME GOOD INFORMATION OUTTA THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO REPORT THAT THAT DID HAPPEN IF PEOPLE SAW PEOP UH, CARS DRIVING SLOWLY AROUND VARIOUS PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY ON SATURDAY. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? KATHY? NO. VICE MAYOR. AND THEN PETE. I HAVE MY REGULAR PARKS AND REC UPDATE REPORT, AND I'M SO PLEASED TO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY POOL IS GOING GANGBUSTERS THIS YEAR. THE INFANT SWIM LESSONS CLASS, WHICH IS BABIES AND AND TOTS HAD 82 PARTICIPANTS. WOW. 41 KIDS AND 41 PARENTS, WHICH I THINK IS AN ALL TIME HIGH SWIM LESSON. TWO WEEK SESSIONS HAVE BEEN FULL EACH SESSION, AND WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN, UM, EXPANDING THAT PROGRAM TO OFFER ADDITIONAL SESSIONS AND PRIVATE LESSONS FOR YOUTH AND ADULTS, AS WELL AS DURING OUR OPEN SWIM HOURS TO ACCOMMODATE THE SWIM LESSON DEMAND. LAST WEEK, PRANA BEANS YOGA CAMP AND CHALLENGER SOCCER CAMP WERE BOTH OFFERED AS SUMMER CAMPS. PRANA BEANS HAD 12 KIDS REGISTERED AGES FIVE TO 12, AND CHALLENGER SOCCER HAD 64 PARTICIPANTS. AGES TWO TO 18 SACRED EAGLE ART CAMP SCULPTURES AND UPCYCLE ART IS THIS WEEK'S SUMMER CAMP TAKING PLACE AT THE HUB. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 14 WEEK LONG SUMMER CAMPS PLANNED THROUGHOUT THIS SUMMER WITH SEVERAL OFFERED PER WEEK. PLEASE VISIT SEDONA AZ.GOV/CAMPS FOR FULL CAMP LISTINGS. WE ALSO HAVE THE SUMMER CINEMA SERIES EACH FRIDAY EVENING IN JUNE WITH OUR FINAL MOVIE THIS COMING JUNE 30TH, WE'LL BE SHOWING MUPPET TREASURE ISLAND AT THE PAVILION STARTING AT 7:30 PM AND IT'S FREE TO EVERYONE PICKLEBALL ORGANIZED PLAY. WHETHER YOU'RE A FIRST TIME PLAYER OR PLAYED FOR YEARS, COME OUT AND PLAY. VISIT SEDONA AZ.GOV/SPORTS FOR THE FULL SCHEDULE. AND, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE OPEN GYM TUESDAYS, UH, WITH VOLLEYBALL ONLY AND THURSDAYS AND SUNDAYS WITH BASKETBALL ONLY. WE HAVE TENNIS LESSONS, YAPPY HOURS THURSDAYS FROM 8:00 AM TO 9:00 AM AND THE COMMUNITY PARKS ARE FULL OF A FULL OF ACTIVITIES WITH KIDS DAY USE RENTALS. SPLASH PAD IS PACKED WITH FAMILIES AND THE PARKS ARE STAYING FULL AND BUSY THIS SUMMER. CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF COUNCILOR BLOKE? SURE. VICE MAYOR. SURE. OKAY. UH, 4TH OF JULY, AREN'T THEY PLANNING A FESTIVITIES IN THE 4TH OF JULY? FAMILY SWIM FOR FREE SPLASH POOL. SPLASH PAD AT SUNSET PARK? NO. WHAT? FESTIVE POOL. WHICH FEST? THE POOL. POOL OHS. NOT ON MY LIST. SORRY. SORRY. WELL DO, I'M SORRY. IT'S ALL RIGHT. WE'LL FIND OUT. BUT THE 4TH OF JULY AT THE POOL, UH, NO ADMISSION. AND, UH, FOOD TRUCKS. LOTS OF FOOD TRUCKS. THANK YOU COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. AND I THINK, IS THERE SOMETHING GOING ON TO, SPLASH PAD IS CLOSED FOR A COUPLE DAYS. IS THAT BACK OPEN OR, AND FIXED? UM, I BELIEVE THEY WERE EXPECTING THAT TO BE BACK OPEN BY TOMORROW, IF I REMEMBER IT CORRECTLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. IT'S NOT IN HERE. AND THEN, KAREN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT IS WET FEST ON THE 4TH OF JULY, AND THAT EVENT RUNS FROM 12 NOON TO 4:00 PM AND IT'S AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK. THAT'S, AND IT'S FREE? YES, IT IS. ALRIGHT, GREAT. GREAT. AND JUST TO SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HAPPY 65TH BIRTHDAY TO THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER, SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY AND THE SEDONA ROTARY CLUB ALL CELEBRATING 65 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOO. OH, YES. AND, AND TODAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO COUNSELOR FOR . HOW OLD ARE YOU? ? NOT 65, LET'S JUST SAY THAT. I'M, I DON'T NEED TO RENEW MY ANNUAL, UH, UH, NATIONAL PARK PASS FOR THE, FOR THE SECOND YEAR. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN, UH, NO, I, I'M FINE. I JUST WANTED OKAY. WET FEST TO BE PUT IN THERE, SO, OKAY. OKAY. AND BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, LAST THURSDAY I ATTENDED THE BIMONTHLY NA O BOARD MEETING. UH, A COUPLE INTERESTING THINGS THAT CAME UP THERE. UM, ONE IS THAT, UH, MOUNTAIN LION VANPOOL IS RUNNING A PROGRAM IN COCONINO COUNTY THAT, UH, PROVIDES FOR A $400 SUBSIDY FOR [00:10:01] VANPOOLS. AND, UH, I NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL HOMEWORK. AND I THINK, ANDY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA BE THE RIGHT PERSON TO TALK TO ABOUT THAT. I KNOW YOU'RE LIKE, WHOA, . UH, BUT, UM, I NEED TO TALK TO SOMEBODY, UH, WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER OFFICE, UH, ABOUT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T MAKE THAT. HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT? THE VANPOOL PROGRAM? YES. YES, I HAVE. OKAY. YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE THAT COULD BE BENEFIT LOCAL EMPLOYERS AND THEIR EMPLOYEES. UH, AND IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE IT'S CLOSED OUT AS FAR AS, UH, AVAILABILITY FOR THIS $400 MONTHLY SUBSIDY, SO, OKAY. PETE, ANYTHING? UH, UH, ONE OTHER THING. OH, SURE. UH, JUST AN FYI. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS, AND WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE DOING RELATIVE TO, UH, PLANNED EXPENDITURES, WE'RE ALWAYS UNDER IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS, UH, IS, UH, STAFF VACANCIES, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CREATING A, UH, A FAVORABLE VARIANCE AGAINST BUDGET AND NACOG AS A, FOR INSTANCE, IS AT 92% OF PLANNED BUDGET ON LABOR. SO, JUST LIKE SEDONA, IT'S CHALLENGING TO HIRE AND RETAIN PEOPLE, UH, THROUGHOUT NORTHERN ARIZONA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, PETE. UH, I HAVE AN ITEM FOR DEED LATER IN THE MEETING, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO REPORT THAT LAST WEEK WE, UH, HAD A MEETING WITH ALL THE, UM, COUNCILS AND MANAGERS, WELL, MOSTLY, UH, ALL, UH, IN THE VERDE VALLEY. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2018, UH, BUT SINCE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. AND IT WAS A GREAT WAY TO GET OUT AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS IN THE VERDE VALLEY. ALTHOUGH, UH, KAREN AND I DO HAVE A MEETING WITH MAYORS AND MANAGERS EVERY OTHER WEEK, THIS WAS MUCH MORE IN DEPTH AND WE WERE ABLE TO REALLY GET TO MEET AND, UH, UNDERSTAND, UH, THE POINTS OF VIEW OF OTHER MAYORS, MANAGERS AND COUNCIL PEOPLE. SO IT WAS QUITE NICE. SO, UH, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU TO OUR, OUR, UH, CLARKDALE HOST FOR THAT MEETING. YES. THAT'S WONDERFUL. YES, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY NICE. FOOD WAS PRETTY GOOD TOO, SO IT WAS NICE. OKAY. PUBLIC FORUM. [6. PUBLIC FORUM] JOANNE, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? NO. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT, THE PUBLIC FORUM. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC FORUM, YOU HA YOU'LL HAVE TO, UH, COME UP, BUT YOU WON'T, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE DONE SPEAKING, YOU'LL HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD, UH, WHICH IS TO YOUR LEFT. YOU COULD DO THAT AFTER YOU'VE SPOKEN, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO. AND IF YOU, UH, WHY, WHY DON'T YOU COME TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, BUT YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THE LIGHTS WILL COME ON, ON THE, THE SHELF OVER THERE. AND, UM, TIME IS YOURS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BRIANNA HALFORD, AND I LIVE HERE IN WEST SEDONA, AND I RUN A PRIVATE RETREAT COMPANY CALLED SEDONA SELF-LOVE RETREATS. WE ARE IN OUR FIFTH YEAR. WE'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL. WE'RE, WE'RE THRIVING. THANKFULLY. UM, SOMETHING CAME UP WHERE WE HAD A TWO YEAR LEASE AT OUR OFFICE SPACE. UM, IT'S IN THE EAGLE CLIFF BUSINESS PARK RIGHT BEHIND WALGREENS. AND WE WERE PAYING 900 A MONTH RENT FOR TWO YEARS. AND MY, THE OWNER JUST ATTEMPTED TO GIVE ME A, YOU KNOW, A POSSIBLE NEW LEASE RENEWAL, UM, OF ALMOST QUADRUPLE THAT 34 19 TO BE EXACT. AND I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS, THAT THERE IS NO RENT CONTROL, BOTH ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND RESIDENTIAL. I REALLY HIGHLY, STRONGLY THINK THAT SEDONA SHOULD CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE CA, CALIFORNIA, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S ABOUT, I THINK, A 5% CAP. UM, THIS IS A TOWN WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES, AND IN ORDER FOR THEM TO THRIVE AND SURVIVE, WE CANNOT SUSTAIN, YOU KNOW, A QUADRUPLE RENTAL INCREASE. YOU KNOW, I'VE TRIED TO TALK WITH HIM AND BE REASONABLE, BUT, UM, I JUST THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A LAW OR JUST AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE DOES THIS TOWN WANT TO SUPPORT BIG BUSINESS AND DEVELOPERS AND INVESTORS? WHICH IT DOES, BUT IS IT SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESSES, WHICH I THINK THAT CREATES, LIKE THE LIFEBLOOD AND THE ENERGY OF THE, TO THE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR TOWN. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE RULES THAT, UM, SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES. SO THAT'S JUST, I WANTED TO RAISE THIS BECAUSE I WAS REALLY AMAZED THAT THERE'S NO LIMITATIONS ON THIS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE HAVES AND THE HAVE-NOTS, YOU KNOW, THOSE WHO [00:15:01] OWN THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE LIKE THE KINGS AND QUEENS OF THIS TOWN, AND THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PRICE WISE IN TERMS OF RENTS. AND THAT JUST, IT DOESN'T SIT WITH MY ETHICS, MY VALUES. SO I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO RAISE THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S AFFECTING ME PERSONALLY WITH MY BUSINESS, BUT I'M LIKE, THIS SHOULD NOT BE THIS WAY FOR ALL OF THE BUSINESSES OF SEDONA, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M DEALING WITH. AND I WANTED TO BRE BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. YEAH. ARE YOU DONE? YES, , BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA TALK OVER YOU. SO, YES, THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, WE CAN'T RESPOND TO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS HERE AT THIS, UH, FORUM, BUT FEEL FREE TO WRITE TO THE COUNCIL WITH, YOU KNOW, THE SAME ISSUES AND SHARE THAT WITH US. AND THE COUNCIL WILL GET BACK TO YOU IN WRITING OR IN ANY OTHER, UH, WAY, BUT IT CAN'T BE ADDRESSED NOW AT THIS FORUM. WHY IS THAT? IT'S JUST LAW. IT'S THE WAY THE, UH, ORDINANCES ARE, AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, IT HASN'T BEEN GENDERIZED FOR DISCUSSION, SO THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IT. RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU INTRODUCE A NEW TOPIC, IT CAN EITHER BE DIRECTED TO STAFF OR IT CAN BE FOLLOWED UP WITH AFTER THE FACT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO WHAT, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A DISCUSSION AROUND THIS? WELL, LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN SEND US AN EMAIL. IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. YOU CAN SEND IT TO ONE OF US OR ALL OF US, AND WE CAN RESPOND THAT WAY. I'M SURE THAT MANY OF US WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN RESPONDING TO YOU. SO MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS TOWN TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES AND WITHOUT ANY RENTAL. WE UNDERSTAND. YEAH. WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SO, UH, AND I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT I, I DO THINK IF YOU SEND US AN EMAIL THAT MANY OF US OR ALL OF US WILL RESPOND, SO THEN IT WOULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I, I THINK YOU MIGHT, IT'S A PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING. I THINK YOU MIGHT WANNA FOLLOW UP WITH EITHER OF THE, THE CLERK OR THE MANAGER, AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED IS PROCEDURALLY, BUT WE HEARD WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. I'M SURE SOME OF US WOULD PROBABLY WANNA ENGAGE OTHERWISE, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DOES SOMETHING GET IZED AND DISCUSSED AS AN ITEM, PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF ON, I'M JUST WANTING IT TO BE ADDRESSED FOR THIS TOWN. WE HAVE TO END THIS DISCUSSION NOW. YOU'VE, YOU'VE EXCEEDED YOUR TIME AND I'M GIVING YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MOVE IT FORWARD. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE NOW BECAUSE LIKE, UH, THE COUNSELOR SAID IT HAS NOT BEEN GENDERIZED FOR DISCUSSION. THAT'S NOT JUST NOT THE WAY IT WORKS BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO HEAR, AND IT HAS TO BE ON THE AGENDA IF THERE'S INTEREST. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. UH, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. OH, WE HAVE ANOTHER CARD? NO. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE NONE. AND, OKAY. SHE'S FILLING IT. OKAY. UH, REGULAR [8.a. AB 2968 Discussion/possible action regarding the approval of a Resolution approving a new Collection Agreement between the City of Sedona and the US Forest Service allowing the City to provide funding to the US Forest Service for construction, improvements, and maintenance of the nonmotorized trail system in and around the Sedona area. USFS staff will also provide a program update and report of accomplishments for this program] BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT, A AB 29 68 POSSIBLE DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF A, OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING A NEW COLLECTION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE US FOREST SERVICE, ALLOWING THE CITY TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE US FOREST SERVICE FOR CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF THE, OF THE NON-MOTORIZED TRAIL SYSTEM. IN AND AROUND SEDONA, US FOREST SERVICE STAFF WILL ALSO PROVIDE A PROGRAM UPDATE AND REPORT ON ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR THIS PROGRAM. PERFECT. YOU WANT A POINTER AT THIS? AMY? NOT GONNA COME UP. . WELL, SIR, I, I AM SURE SHE'S DELEGATED AND NORMALLY, BUT WE, WE SEE HER SO IT'S FINE. WELCOME. HELLO. HI. CAN YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELVES CUZ I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EVERYBODY OR BOTH OF YOU. SO, YES. HI, I'M, UH, BROOKE ANDREW. I'M THE ACTING RECREATION STAFF OFFICER ON THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT. GREAT. KEVIN KOOL TRAILS WILDERNESS AND O HV COORDINATOR FOR THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT. YOU'LL TALK INTO THE MIC. YES. YOU HAVE TO TALK. EVERYTHING'S ON BEING RECORDED. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE EITHER TOO FAR OR TOO CLOSE. YEAH, NO, I KNOW, I KNOW. SO, AND YOU SAID YOU, THE O H V COORDINATOR, TRAILS WILDERNESS, AND O HV COORDINATOR. CORRECT. WONDERFUL PERSON TO HAVE HERE. I APPRECIATE , AMY'S SNICKERING. I APPRECIATE THAT. TODAY'S CONVERSATION WILL FOCUS ON NON-MOTORIZED. PERFECT. JUST TO CLARIFY. YEAH. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KICK US OFF. CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? IS MIC OKAY? YEAH, WE CAN NEVER TELL WITH THESE THINGS. UM, SO, UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO QUICK INTRODUCE MYSELF. I, I MENTIONED I AS AN ACTING RECREATION STAFF OFFICER. I'M, UH, COMING HERE FROM WEST VIRGINIA FOR FOUR MONTHS. WOW. UH, TO WORK AND HELP OUT AND GET TO LEARN. UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING FOR ME TO, UH, BE HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THIS SEEMS TO BE [00:20:01] QUITE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS BEEN BOTH LONGSTANDING AND SUCCESSFUL. AND SO, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO SEE THAT CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, SINCE THE NINETIES, UH, LATE NINETIES, UH, THE COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST AND THE CITY OF SEDONA, UH, HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER, UH, PRIMARILY, UM, TO ACCOMPLISH GOALS SET FORTH IN THE CITY TRAILS, URBAN PATHWAYS PLAN, UH, AND THE FOREST SERVICE AMENDMENT 12. AND THAT'S AIMED AT MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING, UH, NON-MOTORIZED, UH, TRAIL SYSTEMS LOCATED ON NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM LANDS ADJACENT TO THE CITY. UM, AND TONIGHT, YEAH, WE, WE WISH TO MOVE FORWARD ON LOOKING TO RENEW THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA THAT ALLOWS US TO WORK TOWARDS THAT MUTUAL BENEFIT. UM, THE CURRENT COLLECTION AGREEMENT IS SET TO EXPIRE, UH, OCTOBER 17TH OF THIS YEAR. UM, AND THAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT AGREEMENT IS TO BE, UH, THE VESSEL IN WHICH THIS PARTNERSHIP, UM, ALLOWS THE US FOREST SERVICE TO IMPROVE AND MAINTAIN THE NON-MOTORIZED TRAILS IN THE CITY, UH, AND AROUND THE CITY, UM, ON FOREST SERVICE LANDS. UM, AND DURING THE LA WE WILL KIND OF FOCUS ON SOME OF THE SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS THAT WE HAVE, UH, BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH BETWEEN THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AS WELL AS ALL OUR OTHER FUNDERS AND SUPPORT THROUGH, UM, THE GREAT AMERICAN OUTDOORS ACT, UM, AND RED ROCK TRAIL FUND AND, UH, RACK AND OTHER GRANTS AND AGREEMENTS. SO IT'S ALL PART OF A, A LARGER PUSH FORWARD. UM, SO ON THE LAST TWO DECADES, UH, SOME OF THE TRAIL AND TRAILHEAD PROJECTS THAT HAVE RESULTED, UM, HAVE BEEN BENEFIT. SO THE RESIDENTS HEALTH AND WELFARE, AS WELL AS THE GROWING, UH, TOURISM INDUSTRY IN THE, IN THE CITY. UM, UNDER THE NEW AGREEMENT, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE ON PROJECTS THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ACCESS TO AND USE OF PUBLIC LAND, UH, TRAIL SYSTEM. AND THEN, UH, UH, SOME OF THE FUTURE WORK UNDER THIS PARTNERSHIP IS INTENDED TO BE USED TO FUND THE MAINTENANCE OF NON-MOTORIZED TRAILS IN AND AROUND THE CITY LIMITS MANAGEMENT OF TRAIL MAINTENANCE, VOLUNTEER PROGRAM PLANNING AND OVERSIGHT OF TRAIL MAINTENANCE, VOLUNTEER WORK EVENTS AND SUPERVISION OF VOLUNTEER TRAIL PATROLERS AND AMBASSADORS. AND I THINK YOU'RE ALL ABOUT TO SEE JUST HOW IMPACTFUL BOTH, UM, QUALITATIVELY AND QUANTITATIVELY THIS HAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. THANKS, BROOKE. UM, BEFORE WE DIVE INTO ALL OF THAT GOOD INFORMATION THAT WE'VE, UH, BROUGHT IN THIS, UH, POWER POWERPOINT TODAY, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS SOME INTERESTING FIGURES. THIS IS A SMALL SNAPSHOT OF OUR TRAIL USE. UM, IT GOES BACK TO 2019. WHY DID I PICK THAT? WELL, THERE WAS A SERIOUS EVENT THAT HAPPENED SINCE THEN. UM, AND IF YOU GUYS NOTICE ON THAT LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THERE'S A PRECIPITOUS DROP. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. THAT WAS COVID. SO KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING TO SEE THAT USE THE TOP GREEN LINE IS CATHEDRAL, AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT'S A VERY BUSY TRAIL HEAD ON FOREST SERVICE LAND. UM, AND A VERY BUSY TRAIL. UH, IRONICALLY THROUGH THAT WHOLE TIME, THAT BOTTOM LINE IS SLIM SHADY, A VERY POPULAR MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAIL. AND THE USE HAS STAYED RELATIVELY STATIC. EVEN WHEN WE TOLD PEOPLE TO NOT GO USE THESE TRAILS, THEY WERE STILL DOING IT. SO, KIND OF FUNNY, UM, THE DATA CAN REALLY TELL YOU A LOT AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE OTHER BIG INTERESTING TAKEAWAYS AS FAR AS USE IS RIGHT ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE GRAPH, YOU SEE THAT BLACK LINE, WHICH REPRESENTS BOYNTON CANYON, ACTUALLY EXCEED THE USE OF BELL ROCK PATHWAY, WHICH I WOULD SAY I WOULD NEVER HAVE EXPECTED IN MY TIME HERE. BUT SOCIAL MEDIA IS AN INTERESTING THING THAT WE'RE ALL DEALING WITH, AND THAT'S PARTLY TO BLAME FOR THAT, UM, THAT GROWTH AND USE. SO JUST SOME INTERESTING FIGURES TO LOOK AT. BUT ONE OTHER TAKEAWAY, UM, CAUSE IT CAN BE KIND OF HARD TO SEE PROBABLY FROM THE BACK ROW, IS THAT WE DO HAVE USE FOR CATHEDRAL EXCEEDING 25,000 IN ONE MONTH, UM, ON THE HEELS OF COVID WHEN FOLKS REALIZED THE ONLY SAFE ACTIVITY TO DO WAS TO BE OUTSIDE. SO THAT BROUGHT SOME UNIQUE CHALLENGES FOR US TO KIND OF DEAL WITH. SO SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON, UM, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS DURING OUR COLLECTION AGREEMENT, UH, HAVE BEEN THE CATHEDRAL ROCK RENEWAL PROJECT. YOU GUYS MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS IN RECENTLY IN THE PAPER. THIS WAS, UM, THE FUNDING FOR THIS WAS ASSISTED WITH SOME GOA FUNDING AS WELL AS FUNDING FROM OUR PARTNERS AT THE TRAIL FUND. UM, BUT REALLY NEAT PROJECT TO KIND OF BRING THAT, THAT, THAT HUGE SPIKE OF USE IN CATHEDRAL INTO PERSPECTIVE. UM, WE HAVE SOME CREWS OUT HERE. THESE ARE FOREST SERVICE TRAIL CREWS THAT WORKED WITH SOME OF OUR, UM, NONPROFIT PARTNERS TO DO SOME DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO TRAIL MAINTENANCE. SOME OF THAT BEING FENCING WHERE WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN THAT IN THE PAST. UM, INSTALLING CHECK STEPS IN AREAS WHERE MAYBE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. THAT'S BASICALLY JUST A ROCK STAIRCASE. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE I THINK WILL HELP [00:25:01] KIND OF PAINT THE PICTURE AS TO WHY SOME OF THAT WAS NEEDED. YOU CAN SEE THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THAT WAS THE, THE PREVIOUS TRAIL BEFORE WE DID ANYTHING. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE A HARDENED SURFACE THAT'S GONNA HELP PROTECT THOSE EROSIVE SOILS AS WELL AS KEEP USERS ON THE TRAIL LIMIT, SOCIAL TRAIL GROWTH, AND ALSO PROTECT OUR, OUR BIOTIC, UH, SOIL CRUST. SO WE DID A LOT OF THIS TYPE OF WORK THROUGHOUT KIND OF THE COVID ERA AS WE GOT OUT OF THAT AND GOT INTO THE GO OF FUNDING, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY SEIZE SOME GREAT TRAIL WORK AND WORK WITH A LOT OF UNIQUE PARTNERS. UM, HERE'S ANOTHER KIND OF BEFORE AND AFTER ON CATHEDRAL, JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A, A LITTLE BIT OF A, A FRAME OF REFERENCE AS FAR AS WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR REALLY UNIQUE LA UH, NATURAL LANDSCAPE, BUT ALSO TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE LEVELS OF USE THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. UM, THAT PROJECT HAD BEEN ONGOING SINCE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 22 AND IS STILL ONGOING. GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO FISCAL YEAR 21, WE HAD THE REALIGNMENT OF WHAT WAS KNOWN AS, UH, PINE VALLEY AND DAIRY SPRINGS. AND THEY WERE RENAMED RABBIT EARS IN LITTLE ROCK. THIS WAS FOUR MILES OF TRAIL OVER IN, UH, THE BIG PARK AREA. UM, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A REALLY, UH, KIND OF A USER CREATED POOR ALIGNMENT, HIGHLY EROSIVE SOILS, LOTS OF CUPPING, POOR USER EXPERIENCE. UH, WE HAD SOME SIMILAR CATHEDRAL STYLE WORK, UH, THAT WAS FUNDED THROUGH GRANT FUNDING WITH DOLL MOUNTAIN, UM, AND BOYNTON CANYON TRAIL. AND THERE'S SOME GREAT AFTER PHOTOS OF THOSE IMPROVED DRAINAGE FEATURES AND HARDENED TRAIL FEATURES. AND THEN GOING BACK EVEN A LITTLE FURTHER NEAR THE BEGINNING OF OUR AGREEMENT, WE HAD THE WESTERN GATEWAY TRAIL SYSTEM. SO FOR FOLKS THAT AREN'T AWARE OF THAT PROJECT, THAT WAS, UH, 28 MILES OF TRAILS THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE FOREST SERVICE, UH, THROUGH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND USER ADOPTION. SO REALLY NEAT SYSTEM. UM, DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAN SOME OF THE AREAS IN SEDONA. UH, A WIDE ARRAY OF DIFFERENT USER EXPERIENCES, DIFFICULTY AND DIFFERENT LENGTH LOOPS THAT YOU COULD DO. AND THEN FINALLY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT WHOLE PERIOD, ANOTHER THING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS CONSTANTLY REFINE THE INFORMATION THAT WE DISSEMINATE TO THE PUBLIC. AND SO PART OF THAT IS THROUGH IMPROVING OUR KIOSK MESSAGING MAPS, UH, TRAIL SIGNAGE, THESE MAPS AT JUNCTIONS THAT HAVE, UH, CONTEXTUAL INFORMATION IF THERE'S A UNIQUE ASPECT TO THAT TRAIL. LIKE IN THE CASE HERE, WE HAVE THE DOUBLE BLACK DIAMOND SIGN FOR HANGOVER, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO TAKE A BIKE ON THAT, GOOD LUCK. IT'S A PRETTY CHALLENGING EXPERIENCE. UM, BUT AS WELL AS THOSE, THOSE JUNCTION MAPS, THOSE ARE REALLY HELPFUL FOR A LOT OF OUR USERS. HOW DO WE GET ALL THAT WORK DONE? PARTLY, UH, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, GRANT FUNDING THAT WE PREPARE AT THE DISTRICT LEVEL OR WITH OUR PARTNERS, WE'RE ABLE TO FUND, UM, ARIZONA CONSERVATION CORPS, AMERICAN CONSERVATION EXPERIENCE AND ANCESTRAL LANDS, WHICH IS, UH, UNDERNEATH THE CONSERVATION LEGACY UMBRELLA. AND WE'RE ABLE TO BRING THOSE CREWS ON AND THEY HELP US WITH AN INSANE AMOUNT. UM, AND AT THE END OF KIND OF THIS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THAT EQUATES TO. SO ACROSS THE LAST FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD 44 MILES, UH, MAINTAIN 1300. WE HAD OVER 500 SIGNS INSTALLED IN THOSE YOUTH CORE HOURS ADDED UP TO 28,000 HOURS, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE OVER $900,000 IN, UH, LABOR. IF YOU TAKE THAT TO THE NATIONAL RATE, WHICH IS 31 80 AN HOUR, IT'S PRETTY PROFOUND. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, IN MY OPINION, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE PICTURE. VOLUNTEERS, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THIS TOWN'S FULL OF 'EM AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT THEM. UM, SO HERE WE HAVE TWO PHOTOS OF JUST DIFFERENT TYPES OF VOLUNTEER ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN ON A REOCCURRING BASIS ON THE DISTRICT. WE HAVE FOLKS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HELPING US WITH SOME ROCK WORK, AND WE HAVE, UH, FRIENDS OF THE FOREST ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HELPING US WITH LOGOUT IN THE WILDERNESS. UH, FRIENDS OF THE FOREST IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OUR, OUR BACK POCKET VOLUNTEERS. THEY, THEY HELP US WITH EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF FROM, YOU KNOW, THE LOGOUT, LIKE I MENTIONED, TO ROCK WORK, TO DRAINAGE, MAINTENANCE SIGNAGE, AND EVEN KIOSK INSTALLATION. AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE TOOK ON IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS DURING THIS COLLECTION AGREEMENT. SO AS FAR AS, UH, ONE OF THE SIDES OF THE FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, THAT HELPS WITH US, NOT CAPTURED IN THE MAINTENANCE COMPONENT, BUT OUR TRAIL PATROL AND AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. UM, COVID WAS A LITTLE FUNKY AND WE DIDN'T QUITE HAVE FIGURES FOR THAT YEAR, BUT, UH, TOTAL WE HAD 48,000 HOURS, OR SORRY, UH, 37,000 UH, HOURS, WHICH EQUATED A LITTLE OVER 1.1 MILLION IN VOLUNTEER LABOR. UM, AND THAT GROUP, YOU GUYS AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THAT. I MEAN, THEY, THEY BASICALLY HELP WITH PUBLIC CONTACTS. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NEW TO THE AREA OUT ON THE FOREST. SO FOR FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS, DUNNO WHERE THEY'RE GOING. THEY CAN HELP LOST HIKERS. UH, THEY ALSO HELP WITH MEDICAL ASSISTS AND THEN THEY ALSO COLLECT TRASH. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. THEY'VE COLLECTED, YOU KNOW, 2,400 POUNDS OF TRASH OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS HUGE. KEEP THIS PLACE AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT IS. A NEWER PROGRAM, UM, THAT KIND OF CAME UP BECAUSE OF COVID. ONCE AGAIN, UNIQUE CHALLENGES, UH, WAS OUR PREVENTATIVE SEARCH AND RESCUE PROGRAM. AND THIS ACTUALLY WAS DEVELOPED, IF YOU'RE UNFAMILIAR WITH IT, IN RESPONSE TO A, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A A ALL TIME RECORD, BUT IT'S PRETTY DARN HIGH. WE HAD 27, UH, EMS CALLS IN ONE DAY, UH, DURING THE SUMMER OF 21. UM, AND SO WE WERE HAVING TO TAP OUR NEIGHBORING, UH, EMS [00:30:01] SERVICES AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO COME ASSIST, ALL BECAUSE OF UNPREPARED LOST HIKERS MEDICAL INCIDENTS FROM FOLKS NOT HAVING ENOUGH WATER. SO THIS IS ANOTHER ARM OF FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, UM, THAT BASICALLY DEVELOPED IN RESPONSE TO THAT, THAT CRUNCH ON OUR EMS SERVICE WITH, THEY'RE GOING TO GO HELP A, A LOST HIKER OR A DEHYDRATED HIKER. THEY CAN'T BE TENDING TO A MORE SERIOUS CONCERN. SO, UM, IN THIS SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THEY JUST HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, BUSY WEEKENDS DURING THE SUMMER, HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, STAFFING, UH, BELL TRAIL, WHICH IS OVER OFF THE SIX 18 ON THE EAST SIDE OF I 17. UH, AND DEVIL'S BRIDGE. AND YOU CAN SEE JUST IN THAT SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, 1100 HOURS, WHICH EQUATES TO $37,000 IN VOLUNTEER LABOR. UM, AND THIS HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND THEN FINALLY, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK TO THE MAINTENANCE PIECE, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG PART OF HOW WE MAINTAIN OUR TRAILS HERE, PARTIALLY CUZ OF THE USER COMPONENT. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE A UNIQUE TYPE OF SOIL HERE, UNIQUE TYPE OF GEOLOGY. UM, AND OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, 200 EVENTS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS EQUATING TO 15,000 HOURS, WHICH, UM, IN TOTAL IS, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST SHY OF 500 K IN, IN VOLUNTEER LABOR. AND THAT'S ACROSS OUR FRIENDS THE FOREST ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE REOCCURRING EVENTS WITH THOSE, WITH THAT ORGANIZATION THROUGHOUT THE SEASON. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR KIND OF A REGULAR SCHEDULED PUBLIC VOLUNTEER EVENTS, UM, ABOUT FOUR TIMES A MONTH DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT LOAD. UH, FINALLY, UM, IF YOU ADD UP ALL THAT VOLUNTEER LABOR, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 98,000 HOURS AND JUST SHY OF 3 MILLION IN VOLUNTEER LABOR. AND I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY PROFOUND TAKEAWAY. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, UH, SITTING THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION AND LISTENING TO ALL THE GREAT STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. ARE YOU OPEN FOR QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO JESSICA NUN, PETE, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR KEVIN, GOOD TO SEE YOU. YEP, LIKEWISE. THANKS FOR BEING HERE, BROOKE. HAVEN'T MET YOU YET. LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING YOU SOMEDAY. WE'LL WORK TOGETHER ON THE VOLUNTEER TRAIL DAYS ON WEST SEDONA HERE. I TRY TO SHOW UP TO THOSE. AND IF YOU'RE, UH, CAREFUL COUNCILS MEMBERS AND YOU GO THROUGH KEVIN'S MORE DETAILED PRESENTATION, YOU CAN SEE MY PICTURE IN THERE SOMEWHERE. UHOH, I WANTED TO JUST SAY THAT, UM, KEVIN GOES TO, AMY GOES TO OUR FRIENDS AT RED ROCK TRAIL FUND, KEVIN, THIS, UH, COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE US FS CREW, THE CONSERVATION CORE, UH, CREWS, THE YOUTH CORES, THE VOLUNTEERS THROUGH THE FRIENDS OF THE FOREST AND RED ROCK TRAIL. IT'S AMAZING WORK AND I'M SUPER HAPPY TO SEE THE CITY OF SEDONA, UH, PLAYING A ROLE IN, IN PARTNERSHIP IN IN THIS AGREEMENT. IT'S, IT'S REALLY QUITE UNIQUE AND THE AMAZING WORK THAT GETS DONE IS GOOD. I DID WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, HOWEVER, KEVIN, TO RENEW A CONVERSATION THAT YOU AND I HAVE HAD AT LEAST ONCE, AND AMY AND I HAD AT LEAST ONCE. AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NON-MOTORIZED TRAIL, TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE FOR ME ON THINKING ABOUT GRAVEL BIKING AND HOW GRAVEL BIKING IS THE FASTEST GROWING TWO-WHEEL RECREATIONAL SPORT IN THE NATION. AND IT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN SEDONA AREA UP HERE. THE ROADS THAT ARE FOREST SERVICE ROADS WEST OF TOWN WOULD BE A WORLD CLASS ATTRACTION FOR GRAVEL BIKING. SO CAN, AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT EVOLVED, UH, CAN WE LOOK FORWARD TO OFFERING GRAVEL BIKING TO RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF SEDONA ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE? I, I ACTUALLY HOPE SO, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GIVE YOU A TBD ON THAT. I HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW WITH V V C C, WHICH IS VERDE VALLEY CYCLING COALITION TO DISCUSS GRAVEL RIDING GREAT OPTION ROUTES. AND IT, WHILE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CONSTITUTE NEW ROADS THAT ARE FOR GRAVEL BIKES, I THINK IT'S LOOKING AT WAYS TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT USER GROUP. SUPER. THAT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING PROGRESS IN THAT REGARDS. I THINK THAT, UH, GRAVEL BIKING COULD, UH, SOLVE LOTS OF THE CONFLICT THAT WE SEE WEST OF TOWN HERE ABOUT USE AND GRAVEL BIKING IS SUPER INVOLVEMENT ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON. SO I'M SUPER SUPERB OF THAT. THANK YOU, KEVIN. THANK YOU AMY, FOR CONTINUING TO MOVE THAT. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY, PETE. KATHY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND IN THE MORE DETAILED DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US, I SAW THE NOTATION OF 58 SOCIAL TRAILS NATURALIZED, AND I WAS HOPING YOU COULD JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO TELL US WHAT NATURALIZATION OF THE SOCIAL TRAILS MEANS TO NATURALIZE THEM, WHY IT'S NECESSARY, AND HOW ONE, IF, IF IF THERE'S A TRAIL THAT SOMEBODY FEELS A SOCIAL TRAIL IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTING TO A SYSTEM AND THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HAVING THAT RECOGNIZED AS A TRAIL, HOW WOULD ONE DO THAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, IT'S ACTUALLY THREE QUESTIONS. YEAH. , IT'S A COMPLICATED [00:35:01] ONE. SO TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE TRAIL, WE TRY TO TAKE IN THAT LOCAL CONTEXT. IF THIS TRAIL COMES OUT OF THE BACK OF, UH, WEST SEDONA OR NORTH SEDONA INTO THE SUGARLOAF SYSTEM OUT OF SOMEONE'S BACKYARD, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL IN CLOSING THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S A JUST A USE COMPONENT THAT YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT BEHAVIOR. UM, IN A LOT OF THE ZONES WHERE WE HAVE USE THAT IS POTENTIALLY MORE TOURIST BASED, UH, IF WE CAN CAMOUFLAGE THAT OPPORTUNITY LONG ENOUGH, UH, AND ALLOW THAT AREA TO GET GRASS TO GROW BACK, SIMILAR TO THAT CATHEDRAL PROJECT, I MEAN, IT WOULD BLOW YOUR MIND IF YOU SAW ALL THOSE SOCIAL TRAILS WERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY GONE AT THIS, THIS POINT NOW THAT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF WET CYCLES COME THROUGH. UM, SO YEAH, THAT METHOD, IT JUST DEPENDS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ON SLICK ROCK, IT COULD BE A, SOMETHING AS JUST BROOMING THE TRAIL OUT, YOU KNOW, AND BASICALLY GETTING RID OF WHATEVER DELINEATING FEATURE IS ON EITHER SIDE THAT MAKES A TRAIL LOOK LIKE A TRAIL. MM-HMM. , UM, IT COULD BE REINTRODUCING, YOU KNOW, ORGANIC MATTER, WHETHER THAT'S, UH, HEAVY TIMBER, WHETHER THAT'S EVEN JUST PINE DUFF, YOU KNOW, YOU GO UNDERNEATH THE BUSH AND GRAB THAT STUFF THAT COLLECTS UNDER THERE AND VISUALLY JUST CAMOUFLAGE IT AND SOMETIMES LESS IS MORE. SO WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX. UM, GOING BACK TO LIKE THAT LOCAL USE COMPONENT, WHAT CAN BE SO TRICKY IS WE DO HAVE COMMUNITY FOLKS HERE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 YEARS AGO BEFORE WE HAD THIS ROBUST SYSTEM LIKE WE DID, THAT WAS THE PLACE THEY WENT TO GO. LIKE IT COULD BE A, A FAVORITE HIKING TRAIL UP TO SOME SORT OF SPIRE OR IT COULD BE A A, A CLASSIC KIND OF SEDONA BIKE TRAIL. AND SOME OF THOSE TRAILS WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CLOSE AND WE KIND OF JUST CONSIDER THOSE TO BE SORT OF LEGACY SOCIAL TRAILS. UM, THE TRICKY PIECE IS WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GET INTO WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED, BEING OFF TRAIL ISN'T AGAINST A LAW PER SE. THERE, THERE'S NOT LIKE A REGULATION THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T, UNLESS THERE'S A FOREST ORDER IN PLACE TO LIMIT OFF TRAIL TRAVEL, WHERE YOU GET INTO THAT TRICKY GRAY TERRITORIES IF YOU'RE CAUSING NATURAL RESOURCE DAMAGE THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW. SO IN SOME CASES WE HAVE THESE SLICK ROCK EXPANSIVE AREAS WHERE IF YOU'RE WALKING OFF TRAIL, TECHNICALLY YOU'RE NOT CAUSING ANY DAMAGE. AND SO THERE'S NOTHING PROHIBITED THERE. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PASSING THAT ON TO CREW MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CLOSE, WHERE WE DON'T CLOSE IT, AND HOW THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA REACT WITH IT. CUZ THIS IS A COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE DO LIVE HERE AND WE'RE NOT A NATIONAL PARK. HOW CAN WE EDUCATE PEOPLE? HOW CAN WE EDUCATE PEOPLE MORE THOUGH? DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP POTENTIALLY SOCIAL MEDIA? I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO BE SUCH AN EFFECTIVE TOOL. I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW DEEP YOUR SATURATION IS AS FAR AS FOLLOWERS. UM, ON OUR END WE TRY TO DO A LOT WITH, UH, OUR COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST FACEBOOK GROUP. UM, THE TRICKY THING IS FOR FOLKS THAT COME HERE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE, A LOT OF 'EM DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER, RIGHT? AND EVERY DAY OR EVERY WEEK, IT'S A WHOLE NEW GROUP OF PEOPLE. AND SO SATURATION IS REALLY CHALLENGING TO GET THAT MESSAGE ACROSS. AND IF YOU'RE HAVING TO DO THAT WITH A WHOLE NEW GROUP EVERY COUPLE DAYS, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING. SO WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO KIND OF SOCIALLY ENGINEER, UM, HOW THE PUBLIC INTERFACES WITH PUBLIC LANDS AND WHETHER IT'S JUST CHANGING THE WAY THAT TRAILHEAD IS TO PUSH PEOPLE TO THE SYSTEM, TRAIL OPPORTUNITIES AND FENCING OFF AREAS THAT WOULD LOGICALLY MAKE SENSE TO GO TAKE A PICTURE AT, UM, JUST SHUT DOWN THAT OPPORTUNITY AND PUSH THE USE WHERE YOU WANT IT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE TRICKS THAT WE HAVE, BUT EDUCATION PIECE CAN BE EFFECTIVE. IT'S ALSO VERY CHALLENGING. THANK YOU. OKAY, ON THIS SIDE, VICE MAYOR, YOU WANNA GO FIRST OR, UH, YOU WANNA GO FIRST? BRIAN? MAYOR? I'M GOOD EITHER WAY. ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. APPRECIATE IT. I WAS CURIOUS, HOW DOES THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEER HOURS IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, SQUARE AWAY WITH OTHERS? LIKE IN WEST VIRGINIA WE HAVE MORE OR LESS IN THE MIDDLE. YOU HAVE MUCH, MUCH MORE. UM, AND NOT TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE FANTASTIC PARTNERS IN WEST VIRGINIA, BUT THIS IS A HIGH PERFORMING DISTRICT AND FOREST IN THAT REGARD, HIGH PERFORMING COMMUNITY AND PARTNERSHIP BASED. UM, SO THIS IS MUCH HIGHER. AND I THINK KEVIN, YOU TOLD ME WE COMPETE WITH, UH, ONE OTHER FOREST AND GO BACK AND FORTH EVERY JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR, WHO HAS THE MOST VOLUNTEER HOURS OVERALL. UM, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERISM GOING TO INTO OTHER RESOURCES AS WELL ON THE FOREST, BUT OF COURSE RECREATION IS A HUGE CONTRIBUTOR TO THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THIS DISTRICT. SO IT'S CONSIDERABLY HIGHER. AND DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE SPECIFICS ON THAT? NO, I, I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT RICK WAS SAYING. TYPICALLY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE KIND OF, UH, USUALLY FIGHTING FOR THE TOP SPOT IN THE NATION WITH, UH, THE NATIONAL FOREST THAT'S AROUND THE TUCSON AREA. AND I BE, I BELIEVE SPECIFICALLY THE SANTA CATALINA RANGER DISTRICT. UM, THEY HAVE A VISITOR CENTER THERE SIMILAR TO OURS. AND SO THEY JUST HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMS AND I THINK HAVING POTENTIALLY A SLIGHTLY LARGER COMMUNITY DOWN THERE ALLOWS THEM TO TAP INTO MORE, MORE FOLKS THAT ARE WILLING TO HELP, BUT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, APPLES AND ORANGES SIZE-WISE, I THINK WE CRUSH 'EM. AND I, I SAW FRIENDS OF THE FOREST IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND, AND IN OUR PACKET. WHAT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS [00:40:02] ARE THERE? PEOPLE WANNA VOLUNTEER IS THERE'S FRIENDS OF THE FOREST AND WHO ELSE DO YOU WORK WITH? WELL, WITHIN FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER ENTITIES THAT EXIST. THEY'RE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES THAT THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE GROUPS THAT GO OUT AND, UM, HELP US CLEAN UP GRAFFITI WHEN THAT HAPPENS ON THE RED ROCKS, THEY HAVE GROUPS THAT GO OUT WITH OUR, OUR, UH, BIOLOGISTS AND DO DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, COUNTS, WHETHER IT'S BAT COUNTS, FIREFLY COUNTS, YOU NAME IT. SO THEY HELP WITH THAT MONITORING PIECE. UM, AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE VISITOR CENTER, UH, FRIENDS OF THE FOREST HELPS US STAFF THAT WE HAVE OUR WHOLE HERITAGE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AS WELL. UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT'S THE MAIN GROUP WE WORK WITH, WE'RE STARTING TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE, LOOK FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. UM, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, THE WESTERNERS IS A GROUP THAT'S BEEN PRETTY FIRED UP TO HELP OUT. UM, AND THEY'RE JUST, I THINK LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO WHERE THAT FITS IN, EVEN IF IT'S JUST SPONSORING, UM, SOME OF OUR PUBLIC VOLUNTEER EVENTS. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE SEEN IN THE REPORT THAT WE TRIED TO REALLY PUSH THIS YEAR WAS BRINGING MORE BUSINESSES TO THE TABLE. OR EVEN LIKE THE CITY OF SEDONA SPONSORED ONE OF OUR EVENTS AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVER HAPPENED BEFORE, WHICH WAS REALLY COOL. AND I KNOW I WAS WORKING WITH LAUREN BROWN ON THAT AND SHE WAS REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, BUT, BUT EVEN, YOU KNOW, PINK JEEP OR WE HAD A BIKE, UH, COMPANY, SANTA CRUZ BIKES OUT OF FLAGSTAFF COME DOWN. SO NOT EVEN OUR OWN TOWN, THEY JUST, THEY JUST WANT TO BE A PART OF THE ACTION. I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE TESTAMENT FOR OUR PROGRAM IS MAINTENANCE OF TRAILS IS TYPICALLY NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE. UM, I LIKE TO SAY IT'S NOT VERY SEXY BUILDING NEW TRAILS, THAT'S EXCITING. BUT IF YOU CAN ATTRACT BUSINESSES OUTSIDE OF OUR, OUR OWN COMMUNITY TO COME AND BE A PART OF THAT, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. GREAT, THANK YOU. SO FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S LISTENING, FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, FRIENDS OF THE FOREST IS THE MAIN ONE WE WORK WITH, BUT WE ALSO WORK WITH VERDE VALLEY CYCLING COALITION. OBVIOUSLY THE TRAIL FUND, THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE MOSTLY VOLUNTEERING, SO THAT IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO HELP OUT AND GATHER FUNDS FOR OUR OPPORTUNITY OR FOR OUR PROGRAM, UM, AS WELL AS THE, THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF THE MAIN ONES THAT RISE TO THE TOP. SO YOU CAN SUPPORT THE FOREST BY ACTUALLY DOING WORK AS IN THE PICTURES ON THE SCREEN OR BY CLEANING UP AFTER YOURSELF WHEN YOU HIKE. WHAT A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE I WOULD SAY AND CLEANING UP AND OR, AND ALSO HELPING TO DONATE MONEY AND SPONSOR EVENTS. YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR MELISSA. QUESTIONS? BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR KEVIN BROOK. AMY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. UH, THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE TRAILS HERE OVER THE LAST 15 TO 20 YEARS HAS BEEN REMARKABLE. SO I REMEMBER COMING OUT HERE MOUNTAIN BIKING AGAIN 15 TO 20 YEARS AGO AND IT WAS BRUTAL, JUST OUTRIGHT BRUTAL. UH, NOW YOU HAVE THESE ARMORED TRAIL SECTIONS THAT USED TO BE AT BEST STAIR STEPS AND OFF KILTER EVERYTHING. UH, SO IT'S IMPRESSIVE. UM, I HIKED CATHEDRAL SATURDAY MORNING, UH, AND SAW THE, THE LATEST WORK THERE. WHAT, WHAT'S LEFT TO DO, UH, TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE CATHEDRAL HIKE? IT'S ACTUALLY JUST, UH, THERE'S KIND OF TWO PIECES TO THAT. UM, AND WE USE THE SHOOT AS A GEOGRAPHICAL REFERENCE MM-HMM. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. OH YEAH. WHERE THE CRACK AS SOME PEOPLE CALL IT. YEAH. NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH BELL TRAIL, BUT THE RIGHT BELOW THE CRACK, THERE'S A REALLY KIND OF A, IT'S PROBABLY THE, THE TRICKIEST PART OF THE TRAIL IN ALL REALITY CUZ THERE IS SOME EXPOSURE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME ADDITIONAL KIND OF SOCIAL ENGINEERING, UM, TECHNIQUES TO GET PEOPLE ON THE TRAIL. UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY QUITE SURE WHICH WAY TO MAKE THE ASCENT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CRACK. AND WE DID BUILD A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL RETAINING WALL AND MADE THAT, THAT MOVE TO GET UP ONTO THAT ROCK LEDGE A LITTLE BIT SAFER FOR FOLKS. UM, ADDED SOME CHECK STEPS IN THERE, BUT IT'S STILL NOT QUITE CLEAR. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING SOME CONTRACTORS HELP US WITH THAT PIECE. UM, AND THEN HAVING OUR FOREST SERVICE CREW AS WELL AS, UM, AMERICAN CONSERVATION EXPERIENCE WORK ON THE LAST PIECE. IT'S THAT LAST SWITCHBACK BEFORE THE TERMINUS OF THE TRAIL. THAT'S IT. OKAY. I MEAN I, IT STILL AMAZES ME THAT SEARCH AND RESCUE DOESN'T JUST CAMP OUT THERE ALL DAY. I MEAN, THAT IS STILL A CHALLENGING ASCENT, CERTAINLY WITHOUT A DOUBT. UH, RABBITERS AND LITTLE ROCK GREAT STUFF RODE THAT THIS MORNING ACTUALLY. UM, YOU'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, OFF TRAIL ACCESS, CALL IT ABUSE, UH, WHATEVER. AND IT'S, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING FOR ME WHEN I'M OUT 50 MILES TO 75 MILES A WEEK ON THE TRAILS AND I SEE THE, THE CONSTANT ABUSE OF TOURISTS THAT ARE NEW, THE, THE, THE NEW EVERY TWO DAYS, YOU KNOW, CROWD THAT'S GOING OFF TRAIL CUZ THEY WANT A PICTURE OF THIS OR THAT. UM, I MEAN, WHAT MORE CAN WE DO? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S ALREADY BEEN ASKED, BUT I MEAN, I MEAN IF YOU GAVE ME A LITTLE SIGNS TO JUST STICK DOWN THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A TRAIL. I MEAN I'D, I'D GO PUT A HUNDRED OF THEM OUT ALONG BELL ROCK PATHWAY RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY WHEN TO GO AND TAKE THOSE STEPS TO TRY TO STOP? YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF CORRALLING PEOPLE TO WHERE YOU WANT THEM AND LIKE THE, WHAT YOU SHOWED AT CATHEDRAL AT THE LOWER END OF KEEPING PEOPLE ON THE PATH. I MEAN, WELL DONE. RIGHT? BUT YOU COULD DO THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN BELL ROCK PATHWAY ALMOST. SO HOW, HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY WHERE TO GO NEXT TO DO THAT? DON'T TEMPT ME WITH A GOOD TIME CUZ I, I MEAN IT, IT, IT'S CROSSED MY MIND AND UNFORTUNATELY [00:45:01] THERE ARE DIFFERENT TRAILS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF EXPERIENCES USERS WANT AND I THINK THE, UNFORTUNATELY THE FOLKS THAT MAYBE DO WANDER OFF TRAIL, THEY LACK KIND OF THAT GENERAL, YOU KNOW, STEWARDSHIP OF THE LAND. MM-HMM. UNDERSTANDING OR ETHOS. THEY'RE ALSO UNFORTUNATELY THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T READ LITTLE SIGNS THAT YOU STICK UP THAT SAY DON'T WALK OFF TRAIL. SO SOMETIMES WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE, THOSE PHYSICAL ENGINEERING INFRASTRUCTURE PIECES LIKE FENCING OR UTILIZING BRUSH AND VEGETATION. AND SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT THAT MIGHT BE THE APPROPRIATE, UM, SOLUTION OR, OR TOOL. IN OTHER AREAS, IT MAY NOT, AND IN SOME CASES OUR HANDS MIGHT BE TIED. SO LIKE IN A WILDERNESS SETTING, THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY SORT OF PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE. IT GOES AGAINST THE UNTRAMMELED, YOU KNOW, ASPECT OF THE WILDERNESS ACT. UM, BUT BELL ROCK PATHWAY WOULD IN SOME CASES BE A GREAT, UH, AREA FOR FENCING OR WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE USE AND SOME OF THIS IS ANECDOTAL, BUT YOU KNOW, AS WE REFINE OUR DATA COLLECTION METHODS, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD GRASP THAT MOST OF THESE USERS THAT ARE KIND OF THE STINKERS MM-HMM. AS I LIKE TO COLUMN, UM, THAT MAYBE MORE PRONE TO HIKING OFF TRAIL ARE TYPICALLY NOT GOING VERY FAR INTO THE SYSTEM. AND AS A USER YOU COULD PROBABLY BACK THAT UP, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET FOUR OR FIVE MILES INTO A TRAIL SYSTEM, A STACK LOOP DESIGN LIKE WESTERN GATEWAY, YOU DON'T TYPICALLY RUN INTO EVEN A LOT OF HIKERS, LET ALONE FOLKS THAT MAYBE AREN'T USED TO BEING OUT ON PUBLIC LAND. SO, UM, SOME OF THAT IS JUST, I THINK HAVING A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO MAYBE TRAILS CLOSER TO TRAILHEADS OR, OR SHUTTLE STOPS OR CITY INFRASTRUCTURE WHEREVER WE'RE INTERFACING WITH THOSE ACCESS POINTS VERSUS DEEPER INTO THE INTERIOR OF SYSTEMS, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME APPROACH. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHAT'S THE LATEST PLANNED ON THE TURKEY CREEK AREA? YEAH, I ACTUALLY WAS PLANNING ON SHARING KIND OF OUR FUTURE WORK. AND SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ITEM ONE. UM, TURKEY CREEK AS WELL AS FIVE OTHER PROJECT AREAS WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE NEPA RIGHT NOW. UM, ALL OF THAT WAS INCLUDED IN A CONTRACT FOR OUR ARCHEOLOGICAL CLEARANCE THAT WENT OUT TO A THIRD PARTY. ALL OF THE FIELD SURVEY WORK HAS BEEN DONE, UM, AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE ACTUAL, UH, PAPER SURVEY REPORT TO OUR FOREST ARCHEOLOGIST, I BELIEVE IN EITHER AUGUST OR EARLY SEPTEMBER, UM, PER THE CONTRACT. AND THEN FROM THAT POINT WE WILL KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE FINDINGS AND, AND LOOK AT OUR CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND MAKE ANY NEEDED ADJUSTMENTS. AND THEN WE ANTICIPATE DOING PUBLIC SCOPING AT THAT POINT AND LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT, GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ABOUT IT. SO WE'RE HOPING SPRING OF 24 IS WHEN WE WOULD HAVE THE DECISION MEMO THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO IMPLEMENT, BUT IT ALL KIND OF JUST DEPENDS ON THE FINDINGS THAT WE GET BACK FROM THE ARCHEOLOGICAL CLEARANCE AND THERE'S A LOT OF SOCIAL TRAILS IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW. SURE. SO IS THE PLAN LARGELY TO JUST MAKE THOSE OFFICIAL OR IS IT TO EXPAND? LIKE WHAT WHAT'S THE NET MILEAGE THAT YOU ENVISION, UH, BEING IN THAT AREA WHEN IT'S ALSO SIMILAR? SIMILAR TO WESTERN GATEWAY, ALTHOUGH IT'S A SLIGHTLY SMALLER FOOTPRINT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO DIFFERENT AREAS AS FAR AS DESIRED USE FOR THE THE USERS. UM, CLOSER TO VERDE VALLEY SCHOOL ROAD, THERE IS A LOT, UH, OR A HIGHER DENSITY OF SOCIAL TRAILS THAT'S ALSO CLOSER TO THE SCHOOL WHERE WE HAD THAT HISTORICAL USE FROM THE EQUESTRIAN CROWD. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF THOSE SMALLER, TIGHTER, UM, LOOP OPPORTUNITIES. THAT'S YOUR FOLKS THAT WANT TO GO FOR A QUICK MORNING DOG WALK OR A QUICK JOG OUT ON THE TRAILS OR SOMEONE THAT'S NEW TO MOUNTAIN BIKING AND MAYBE IS A LITTLE BIT INTIMIDATED BY A, A MORE DIFFICULT OR LONGER TRAIL. AND THEN AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY FURTHER INTO THE SYSTEM, THAT'S WHERE THOSE LOOPS GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPREAD OUT. THEY GET A LITTLE BIT LONGER, THERE'S LESS OF THOSE CONNECTIONS AND THE DIFFICULTY GETS HIGHER. OKAY. LAST TOPIC IS RED ROCK PASS. SO WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE FUNDS THAT ARE RAISED FOR RED ROCK PASS? DO THEY HAVE TO STAY IN THE DISTRICT? THAT'S NOT REALLY MY WHEELHOUSE. OKAY. I'LL BE HONEST. UM, I THINK OUR RED ROCK, RED ROCK PASS CURRENTLY IS JUST FOR THE DISTRICT. THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATION ABOUT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ACROSS THE FOREST AS THE FLAGSTAFF RANGER DISTRICT IS PURSUING ADDITIONAL FEE AREAS, BUT CURRENTLY IT'S STILL JUST A DISTRICT LEVEL, UH, FEE. UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T USE SOME OF THOSE OTHER NATIONAL PARK PASSES OR, UH, WHAT WAS THE ONE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER? P I THINK THAT ONE WORKS AS WELL. THEY MIGHT CALL IT THE SENIOR PASS, BUT I'M NOT SURE. YEAH. GOLD, GOLD EAGLE, ISN'T IT? THE GOLD EAGLE. OKAY. . SO SOME OF THOSE OTHER PASSES THAT ARE WIDELY ACCEPTED ELSEWHERE ARE, ARE ALSO ACCEPTED, ARE TRAILHEADS, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY MY, MY PROGRAM AREA. SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS IT'S FIVE BUCKS FOR A RED ROCK PASS THAT IS SO CHEAP. AND WHEN'S THE LAST, HAS IT EVER BEEN INCREASED? I'M LOOKING AT AMY. NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. . SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT THAT THE CITY'S IN A POSITION TO GIVE MONEY AND, AND THE PARTNERSHIP IS, IS GREAT AS IT RELATES TO TAKING CARE OF THESE TRAILS AND, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. BUT MY GOODNESS, LET'S RAISE THAT PASS COST, DOUBLE IT TO 10 BUCKS. I MEAN, AMY, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, IT COSTS 12 BUCKS TO PARK AT WEST FORK AND 12 BUCKS TO PARK AT GRASSHOPPER POINT. WHY ON EARTH DOESN'T IT COST 12 BUCKS TO PARK AT DEVIL'S BRIDGE OR CATHEDRAL? RIGHT? LIKE, AND AND [00:50:01] WHY NOT JUST 10 BUCKS AS A MINIMUM ANYWAYS, YOU DOUBLE THAT. WHAT HALF A MILLION PASSES AT AN ADDITIONAL FIVE BUCKS? THERE'S TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS MORE MONEY FOR YOU TO PUT INTO OUR TRAILS HERE. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA PUT KEVIN ADAMS OUT OF BUSINESS FOR FUNDRAISING. IT DOESN'T GO THERE UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY, LET'S, WHEN YOU GO ON MIC, KEVIN, YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR TIME, I'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOCKED OFF. OKAY. SO, SO THAT'S MY BULLY PULPIT MOMENT, AMY, COME ON. RIGHT. LET'S DO THIS. LET'S GET SOME, LET'S GET YOU MORE MONEY. RIGHT. SO THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR COMING TODAY. I HAVE A, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS CLARIFYING IF YOU DON'T MIND. FIRST LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING THAT I'M ON A LITTLE HORSE TRAIL A LOT. I'M NOT LIKE THESE GUYS ON BIKES. I'M ACTUALLY HIKING AND WALKING WITH MY DOGS AND ENJOYING JUST THE PEACE AND QUIET AND USUALLY NOT SEEING ANYBODY. IT'S REALLY NICE. GO WITH MY FAMILY AND JUST ENJOY OURSELVES. I'M AMAZED TO SEE THE MOST RECENT TRAIL WORK DONE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU, IT'S DONE THE 1212 BY 12 OR 10 BY 10 TREE BRANCHES IN THE GROUND, ROCK SOLID, THE FENCING, EVERYTHING IS DONE AND THERE'S A BRIDGE THAT I WALK ACROSS ALL THE TIME IS JUST AMAZING. AND IT'S KUDOS TO THE, ALL THE HARD WORK AND THE VOLUNTEERS AND, AND US STAFF. I'M SURE THAT DO THAT WORK. IT, IT'S, IT'S BREATHTAKING AND IT'S CLEAN. SO I, ALTHOUGH I DO PICK UP STUFF HERE AND THERE, UH, IT'S JUST REMARKABLE. SO I KUDOS TO EVERYBODY, UH, AND THE VOLUNTEERS. I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, IN SLIDE TWO, THERE'S A, ON THE THIRD LINE OR YEAH, SECOND BULLET POINT, FOREST SERVICE AMENDMENT 12. MM-HMM. . AND I KNOW AMY'S SHAKING YOUR HEAD YES. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AMENDMENT 12 WENT AWAY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS. WHY IS IT EVEN HERE? AND I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU GUYS IN THE SPOT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE NEW HERE, BUT NO, YOU'RE ACTUALLY, YOU'RE TOTALLY FINE. UM, SO THAT WAS RENEWED AND IT, THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT WAS MADE LARGER, BUT THERE'S ITEMS IN THERE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT HAVE GONE AWAY. I'M SAYING IT WAS UPDATED, BUT THE, THE ACTUAL LEGALITY THAT ALLOWS FOR US TO ENFORCE NO CAMPING AND NO CAMPFIRES IN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA, UM, HAS BEEN RENEWED AS A FOREST CLOSURE ORDER. OKAY. I'M NOT GONNA DWELL AMY'S SHAKING AS SHE UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING AND I'M NOT GONNA GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE. SO, WELL, I THINK WE JUST WANTED TO CAPTURE THE PAST POSSIBLE. NO, I, I GET IT. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS INCORPORATED INTO A NEW FOREST PLAN OF 2005 OR 18. OKAY. I CAN STILL SEE WITHOUT MY GLASSES. UM, BUT, AND I, I THOUGHT THE ACTUAL, UH, MEMBER 12 ITSELF WENT AWAY. SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THIS PART'S IN THERE AND, UH, MY NEXT CONVERSATION WITH AMY WILL BE, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. OH, HOW DO YOU WORK WITH, AND I, CAUSE I, I HEARD YOU MENTION QUITE A FEW ORGANIZATIONS AND YOU GET KEVIN ADAMS, UH, HERE THAT, UM, HAS ANOTHER FANTASTIC ORGANIZATION, BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE VERDE FRONT. AND WITH VICE MAYOR AND I GOING TO BE GOING TO A MEETING WITH THE VERDE FRONT IN ABOUT, UH, ALMOST A MONTH. CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME IDEA FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW HOW, IF AT ALL THE VERDE FRONT PLAYS INTO THE AMAZING WORK THAT'S DONE BY YOU GUYS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I ACTUALLY AM THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE RED ROCK AT THE VERDE FRONT MEETINGS, BUT THE TRAILS WORKING GROUP. OKAY. UM, UNDERNEATH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT COME OUT OF THAT, WE'LL WE'LL FORM, YOU KNOW, A SUB WORKING GROUP UNDERNEATH THAT. BUT, UM, WE BASICALLY HAVE, IT'S EITHER A QUARTERLY OR EVERY OTHER MONTH ROTATING SCHEDULE, UM, THAT ALL OF OUR, OUR PARTNERS, MUNICIPALITIES, AGENCIES, ALL COME TO AND MEET. AND, AND SO FAR, I MEAN IT'S BEEN GOOD I THINK WITH ANY OF THESE TYPE OF COOPERATOR STYLE MEETINGS, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE AND IF THERE ARE UNIQUE CHALLENGES THAT ANYONE'S EXPERIENCING, WE CAN POTENTIALLY SHARE SOLUTIONS OR WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I'M SURE COVID AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NICE TO KNOW LIKE HOW ARE OTHER AGENCIES KIND OF ADDRESSING THAT? BUT, UM, THE MOST RECENT THING AS FAR AS LIKE WORKING WITH THE VERDE FRONT, UM, IS ANOTHER FUTURE, UH, ITEM THAT WE, WE HAVEN'T QUITE ANNOUNCED YET. WE'RE VERY MUCH IN THE INFANCY OF THE PROJECT, BUT IT WOULD BE THE VERDE VALLEY CIRCLE TRAIL. SO THAT'S ANOTHER KIND OF MULTI JURISDICTIONAL PROJECT WHERE WE'RE WORKING WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT TOWNS AND LAND MANAGERS TO PLAN LIKE ROUGHLY A HUNDRED MILES CIRCLE TRAIL THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE VERDE VALLEY AND, AND KIND OF CONNECTS TO ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES. SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW WE WORK WITH THEM. BUT YOU'RE WORKING WITH THEM. HOW MUCH DO THEY CAUSE WHAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF POSITIVE CHANGE THAT ALL THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE DONE. THERE'S NO QUESTIONING AMOUNT THAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED, AND I'M STILL TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT THE VERDE FRONT AND HOW MUCH THEY ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO ACCOMPLISHMENTS. SO, IS THERE ANY, WHAT'S I JUST, OKAY, THANKS. SITTING HERE. SO I JUST, I'M, THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ENOUGH THAT, [00:55:01] UH, WHERE THEY REALLY ARE CONTRIBUTING FOR A CHANGE AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS? CAUSE WE KNOW THEY DO A LOT WITH WATER AND UNDERGROUND WATER AND IN THE CREEKS AND OAK CREEK AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT I'M NOT SEEING HOW MUCH THEY DO IN THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT OR THE COCONINO COUNTY, YOU KNOW, COCONUT, UH, RANGER DISTRICT. SO, IS THERE MEASURABLE, UH, UH, CHANGES? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I DON'T WORK WITH ANY OF THOSE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU REFERENCED. OURS IS TRAIL SPECIFICALLY, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE, FROM A FACILITATION PERSPECTIVE, THEY REALLY DO HELP KIND OF GET EVERYONE TO THE TABLE, COORDINATE THAT, AND THEN WHEN WE DO HAVE THESE SPECIAL PROJECTS, AS FAR AS HAVING THAT GROUP TO, TO FACILITATE THAT, THAT PROCESS, WHICH WE KNOW CAN BE CLUNKY AT BEST SOMETIMES, UM, AND GET US THROUGH POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, ISSUES OR, OR HICCUPS. AND SO, IN MY MIND, I THINK IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A VALUE ADDED. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO? I, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, THIS WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE. I, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I GONNA HAVE TO, UH, MAYOR, I THINK THIS ITEM IS IZED FOR ACTION. FOR ACTION TO APPROVE THE COLLECTION AGREEMENT. SO, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE A MOTION THERE? YES. I, I'M GOING OFF OF THIS. IS THERE A PUBLIC FORUM? ACTUALLY, THERE IS. KEVIN. DON'T GO AWAY. KEVIN, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I HAVE A CARD FROM KEVIN ADAMS. WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM AND LET KEVIN STEP UP TO THE MIC AND YOU KNOW THE, THE DRILL. THANK YOU, MAYOR KEVIN ADAMS, VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, OUR TRAILS ARE CALLING THIS EVENING. I'M FAMILIAR WITH COLLECTION AGREEMENTS WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AS THE ORGANIZATION I'M PRIVILEGED TO LEAD. THE STONE RED ROCK TRAIL FUND HAS HELD ONE SINCE 2015. IN REVIEWING YOUR PACKET, THREE ITEMS STAND OUT THAT I'D LIKE TO JUST ADDRESS WITH COUNSEL. FIRST, THE AGREEMENTS $195,000 IN CHANGE AMOUNT IS NOT THE FULL COST TO MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE THE TRAILS. HERE. THERE'S 200 MILES OF TRAILS WITH INSIDE NON-MOTORIZED TRAILS IN INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. THEY CONNECT TO ANOTHER 100 MILES OF TRAIL JUST OUTSIDE OF THE LIMITS. KEVIN AND BROOKE SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT ALL THE VOLUNTEER HOURS. WELL, THERE'S ALSO THE BACK COUNTRY HORSEMEN THAT ARE OUT THERE VOLUNTEERING. THEY MENTIONED THE FRIENDS OF THE FOREST AD NAUSEUM, UH, THE SEDONA WESTERNERS, THEY MENTIONED VERDE VALLEY CYCLIST COALITION. LOCAL BUSINESS EMPLOYEES COME OUT THERE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. AND THERE'S EVEN SOME ON THE DAIS THAT COME OUT THERE THAT I SEE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, . SECOND, FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, IT'S BEEN AN ANNUAL TRAIL FUND EXERCISE TO SIT DOWN WITH KEVIN AND AMY AND HER TEAM TO ESTABLISH THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR'S REQUIREMENT FOR TRAIL MAINTENANCE ENHANCEMENT. TALLY UP HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE, FIGURE OUT THE GAP. THERE'S ALWAYS A GAP, AND THEN GO RAISE THE MONEY TO DO IT. AS PART OF THIS EXERCISE, I KNOW HOW LITTLE THE DISTRICT RECEIVES IN FEDERAL APPROPRIATIONS. IN FACT, CONGRESS HAS BEEN UNDERFUNDING THE FOREST SERVICE FOR OVER A CENTURY WHEN THEY PASSED THE COOPERATIVE FUNDS ACT OF 1914. SO THAT YOU ALL, AND WE ALL CAN HELP FUND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. I KNOW HOW CRITICAL THE CITY'S FUNDING IS GONNA BE TO FILL THIS GAP. THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS, 50% MATCH OF $40,000 WAS ACHIEVABLE JUST WITH FEDERAL APPROPRIATIONS. THIS AGREEMENTS 135,000 AND CHANGE MATCH IS NOT. AND ONCE GREAT AMERICAN OUTDOOR ACT FUNDING RUNS OUT, WHICH IS GONNA RUN OUT HERE IN PROBABLY NEXT FISCAL YEAR, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF BOTH AMY AND HER TEAM AND YOU ALL RECOGNIZING THAT THE SEDONA RED ROCK TRAIL FUND IS GONNA MAKE UP THAT GAP. SO, THANK YOU. FIND FINALLY OVER 3 MILLION ANNUAL USERS HEAR THE CALLS OF OUR TRAILS ANNUALLY. THESE USERS ARE RESIDENTS, VISITORS WHO STAY OVERNIGHT OR NIGHTS HERE AND DAY USERS. THEY SPEND MONEY AT OUR SEDONA BUSINESSES AND ARE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER OF THE CITY. SO, ON BEHALF OF THOSE 3 MILLION PLUS TRAIL USERS, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL FOR HEARING OUR TRAILS CALLING AND URGE THAT YOU APPROVE THE AGREEMENT. LET'S KEEP GOING. ON BEHALF OF THE BAKER'S DOZEN OF LOCAL LOCALS WHO COMPRISE THE SEDONA RED ROCK TRAIL FUND AS THEIR VOLUNTEER BOARD AND OUR ONE PAID STAFFER, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR REDUCING THE ANNUAL GAP WE HAVE TO RAISE EVERY YEAR BY 20,000. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KEVIN. [01:00:01] I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. NOW, JESSICA. OKAY. UM, I JUST, I NEVER MADE A COMMENT CLOSING CLOSE THE, YEAH. THE COMMENT PERIOD. I NEVER MADE A COMMENT BEFORE, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT NOW. OH, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT, BECAUSE WE NEVER HAD THE COMMENT, PERIOD. WELL, I ASKED IF ANYBODY WANTED TO. NO, I UNDERSTAND. WE COME RIGHT AHEAD. IT, I JUST AS A, AS A HIKER IN THE, UH, DRY CREEK AREA, I JUST WANNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW IMPROVED, HOW HIGH, FIND THE SIGN IMPROVEMENTS TO BE REMARKABLE AND VERY, VERY HELPFUL. AND, AND I WANNA, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT'S REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE AND FILLING IN A LOT OF VERY DANGEROUS PLACES IN THE TRAILS, UH, EVEN IN AS EASY ONE AS FAKE CANYON IS ALL APPRECIATED. SO THANK YOU. I WILL MAKE, UH, MOTION, NOW I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 20 23, 23 DASH 23, AUTHORIZING THE ENTERING INTO OF THE IGA COLLECTION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE US FOREST SERVICE. SECOND, THAT MOTION. OKAY. BE SECOND IT. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. A ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIED. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. GREAT PRESENTATION. I LOVE SEEING ALL THE WORK. IT'S JUST, IT'S GREAT. AMY, YOU'RE WELCOME. HERE. ANYTIME. COME AND YOU DIDN'T HA, DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO SPEAK . I KNOW. GOOD, GOOD TEAM. [8.b. AB 2861 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding the City’s lobbyist contract, State legislation, short-term rental legislation and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona. ] OKAY. AB 28 61, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION ACTION REGARDING THIS CITY'S LOBBYIST CON, UH, CONTRACT, STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION, AND STATE BUDGET, AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND WE HAVE PAUL. YES. WHAT IS IT GONNA BE? PAUL AND TODD, OR PAUL OR TODD? PAUL. PAUL. OKAY. PAUL, CAN YOU HEAR TODD? CAN YOU BOTH HEAR? HI THERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN NOW IF YOU DON'T GET AN ECHO. OKAY. GENTLEMEN, WELCOME. CAN YOU HEAR US? NOPE. OKAY. CAN WE CHANGE THE SCREEN? I'M WORKING ON IT. OKAY. WE'RE LOGGED IN. AND CAN, UH, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, I CAN JUST A LITTLE G LITTLE GOBBLED, BUT, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. HOLD ON. THERE WE GO. NOW WE GOT YOU. ALL RIGHT, NOW YOU'RE ON THE BIG SCREEN FOR US ANYWAY. WELCOME, GENTLEMEN. WELL, GREAT. UM, GOOD EVENING, AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. UM, MAYOR, COUNCIL, UM, PAUL SEMAN AND I, UH, WISH WE WERE UP THERE. AS I THINK WE SAY THIS, UH, ALWAYS WE WISH WE COULD BE THERE WITH YOU IN PERSON, BUT WE APPRECIATE, UM, ACCOMMODATING A VIRTUAL UPDATE ON OUR LEGISLATIVE SESSION. I'LL GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS SESSION. AND, UH, PAUL CAN DUCK DOWN INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS. BUT, UM, FIRST OFF, NORMALLY THIS IS THE TIME OF YEAR WHERE WE WOULD STAND BEFORE YOU AND GIVE A, UH, A RECAP OF THE CONCLUSION OF THE SESSION ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED. BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE YEAR, AND WE ARE STILL ACTUALLY IN SESSION. UM, WE'RE AT OUR HUNDRED AND 70TH DAY, UM, THIS YEAR. SO WE ARE, UM, SET TO BREAK THE RECORD AS FAR AS THE LONGEST SESSION, WHICH IS 173 DAYS. SO WE'LL BREAK THAT, UH, LATER ON THIS WEEK. AND, UH, AS THE LEGISLATURE, UM, HAS TAKEN SEVERAL BREAKS, THEY PASSED THE BUDGET, THEY'VE COME BACK, THEY'VE TAKEN SEVERAL BREAKS, AND THEY'VE TAKEN ANOTHER LONG BREAK. THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE HOUSE. AND THE SENATOR IS SET TO COME BACK ON JULY 31ST OF THIS YEAR. AND, UM, IT'S YET TO BE SEEN WHAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY DO. BUT, UM, SO FAR MOST OF THE WORK THAT WILL BE DONE HAS BEEN DONE. THAT'S KIND OF BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE SENTIMENT IS THEY'VE DONE THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK. THEY'VE INTRODUCED 160, OR SORRY, 1,672 BILLS WERE INTRODUCED THIS YEAR, WHICH IS FAIRLY FOR THE LEGISLATURE. [01:05:01] AND THEY'VE TAXED 345 OF. NOW, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE VETOES BECAUSE, UM, GOVERNOR HOBBS HAS VETOED 133 BILL, WHICH IS THE MOST, UM, IN ANY SESSION, UH, BREAKING GOVERNOR, UH, FORMER GOVERNOR NAPOLITANO'S, UM, VITO RECORD OF DA. BUT SHE HAS SIGNED IN, UH, INTO LAW 202 BILLS. SO THERE ARE SEVERAL BILLS THAT SHE HAS SIGNED INTO LAW. ONE INTERESTING, UM, UH, THING TO NOTE TOO IS THAT UNLESS A BILL HAS, UM, AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE ON IT, WHICH MOST OF THE BILLS DO NOT, UM, THEY, THE BILL WHEN IT'S SIGNED INTO LAW, DOES NOT BECOME EFFECTIVE IN TERMS OF EFFECTIVE 90 DAYS AFTER WE SIGN AND DIE OR NOT OBSESSION. ALL THESE 200 BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN 200, TWO BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED, THAT WILL NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL 90 DAYS AFTER WE SIGN AND DIE. AND IT'S YET TO BE SEEN WHEN, UM, THIS LEGISLATURE WILL SIGN DIE. WOW. AS YOU ALL KNOW, AS PAUL AND I HAVE, UH, CHATTED WITH YOU BEFORE, THE MAKEUP OF THE LEGISLATURE IS AS CLOSE AS IT CAN BE. IT'S 31 REPUBLICANS, HOW DEMOCRATS. SO IT'S A ONE VOTE MARGIN, SAME THING, SENATE 16 TO 14. SO IT'S VERY CLOSE. THAT CAUSED FOR SOME DELAYS IN, UH, IN VOTING THIS YEAR. JUST THAT ONE MEMBER WAS GONE AND IT WAS A PARTY LIGHT VOTE. THEY WOULDN'T, UH, WOULDN'T TAKE THAT VOTE. UM, ADD TO THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS SESSION, UM, THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE YOU MEMBERS, LIZ HARRIS, WHO WAS REPLACED BY, UH, NOW REPRESENTATIVE, UH, JULIE WILLOUGHBY. SO THAT ADDED TO THE PAUSE IN THE SESSION. AND THEN ALSO FROM THE LEADERSHIP SIDE, UH, THE MINORITY LEADER, REPRESENTATIVE CANO, UM, HE ANNOUNCED THAT HE WOULD, UM, RESIGN HIS SEAT. IT'S WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A TWO YEAR TERM. HE WOULD RESIGN HIS SEAT, UM, SEEK, UH, UM, ACADEMIC OPPORTUNITIES, UM, OUT OF STATE. AND SO HE RESIGNED HIS SEAT. AND, UH, THE LEADERSHIP AT THE TOP OF THE DEMOCRATS, UM, THEY JUST PICKED NEW LEADERSHIP. UM, AND THAT NEW LEADERSHIP IS, UH, REPRESENTATIVE CONTRERAS WILL BE THE NEW HOUSE MINORITY LEADER. ALSO. A FEW OTHER RESIGNATIONS HAPPENED IN SESSION. SENATOR TERAN RESIGNED. UM, SENATOR KAISER, G O P MEMBER JUST RESIGNED AT THE END OF, UH, THIS LAST WORKING. SO THEY'RE SEEKING TO REPLACE HIS, UM, OR FILL HIS REPLACEMENT RIGHT NOW. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA, AS IS COMMON WITH THESE, WITH, UH, ALLEGED ALWAYS TURN THIS, THIS YEAR IS, IS NOT UNIQUE. UM, IT IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE TO HAVE A MEMBER EXPELLED AND TO HAVE RESIGNATIONS OF LEADERSHIP. UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF TURNOVER FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT. THE LEGISLATURE DID GET A BUDGET DONE WELL BEFORE THE JUNE 30TH FISCAL YEAR, UM, DATE. A LOT OF FOLKS THOUGHT THEY WOULD GO RIGHT UP TO THAT JUNE 30TH FISCAL YEAR, BUT THEY ENDED UP DOING ABOUT A 17 $8 BILLION BUDGET, WHICH A LOT OF THAT WAS ONE TIME. AND COMPARED TO THAT, 10 YEARS AGO, IT WAS ABOUT 2.2 BILLION HIGHER THAN IT WAS ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. COUPLE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE GOVERNOR, THIS BUDGET. UM, SHE HAD A KIDS' CARE ELIGIBILITY THAT WAS INCREASED FROM 200% TO 225% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL. I SEE. INVESTMENT AND THE HOUSING TRUST LINE OF 150 MILLION. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, VERY NOTE WORKING. AND THEN MILLION DOLLARS TO THE HOMELESS SHELTER AS WELL. ONE, ONE OTHER, UH, ONE OTHER ITEM TOO. UM, HISTORICALLY IN THE LAST, I'D SAY PROBABLY 10 YEARS, THE LEGISLATURE GOVERNOR HAVE DONE SOME, UH, SIGNIFICANT TAX CUTS. UM, THE FLAT TAX THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED A FEW YEARS AGO AND WAS PHASE IN. UM, BUT THIS YEAR WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR BUDGET, 59 MILLION TAX REBATE. AND THAT'S PER CHILD, UP TO THREE CHILDREN. IT'S A $250 REBATE. SO THEY DID A, THAT'S A ONE. UM, SEVERAL OTHER, UH, EDUCATIONAL SPENDING ITEMS HAPPENED IN THIS BUDGET. UM, THERE WAS, UH, MORE MONEY TO THE SCHOOL FACILITIES BOARD, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS AND EDUCATIONAL STANDPOINT. WHAT ARE THE HOT TOPICS YOU PROBABLY, UM, HEARD ABOUT . THEY, UM, DID NOT, THEY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND STUDIES ON ESAS AND REPORTING, BUT THEY DID NOT CAP ESAS. AND THAT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT HAD AS WELL. ONE OTHER ITEM I I WOULD JUST NOTE IS THAT EARLIER IN THE SESSION, UM, THE LEGISLATURE WENT AHEAD AND PASSED THE AGGREGATE [01:10:01] LIMIT THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE. UH, VERY IMPORTANT. OBVIOUSLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE WENT AHEAD AND PASSED, AND THEY, IT'S BE COMING BACK DOING THAT AGAIN, AT LEAST IN IMMEDIATELY IN THE SHORT, SHORT RUN. SO, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL VETOS THIS YEAR, UM, LIKE, LIKE I HAD MENTIONED, AND THERE WERE A COUPLE PART, THE FOOD TAX, UM, THE ELIMINATION OF THE FOOD TAX WAS PASSED, AND THAT WAS VETOED THE ELIMINATION OF TAX. I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. YEAH. YEAH, WE'RE BRING IT TO IT. YOU HAVE TO STOP, RIGHT? I'M NOT HEARING IT. YEAH. UH, WE'RE ONLY GETTING PART OF THE, THE, THE VOICE MAYOR. IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THE MIC IS GOING TO PAUL'S MIC IF YOU'RE TYPING OR SOMETHING. PAUL, YOU MIGHT BE MAYBE MUTE FOR YOU SOMETHING. I THINK YOU'RE INTERRUPTING THE MIC THERE BECAUSE WE CAN'T FOLLOW WHAT'S BEING SAID. YOU GO IN AND OUT. SO LET'S GIVE IT A TRY. OKAY. HOPEFULLY THAT'S BETTER. SEEMS TO BE. YES, IT IS. OKAY, GREAT. I APOLOGIZE. UM, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT MENTIONING THERE WAS, UH, THE FOOD TAX AND THE RENTAL TAX WERE BOTH PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE. THE GOVERNOR VETOED THOSE. UM, SHE, SHE DID NOT ALLOW THOSE TO BECOME LAW. AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS ALSO, HOUSING REFORM WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS HOTLY DEBATED AND THAT ULTIMATELY DID NOT GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, UM, THIS YEAR. SO THOSE WERE SOME, SOME HOT TICKET ITEMS. AND THEN ALSO OF NOTE, WHICH IS STILL OUTSTANDING, UM, IT IS, UH, THE PROP 400 EXTENSION. IT'S A MARICOPA COUNTY ROAD TAX THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE. UM, IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE BALLOT IN ORDER TO LET THE VOTERS VOTE ON THAT. THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WHERE THERE'S JUST KIND OF COME TO BLOWS AS FAR AS, IS THE LEGISLATURE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PASS SOMETHING THAT THE GOVERNOR WILL SIGN THAT WILL SEND TO THE BALLOT? UM, THEY, THEY'VE NOT GOTTEN THERE YET, FRANKLY. UM, THE LEGISLATURE HAS PASSED, UH, UM, A PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT TO THE GOVERNOR'S LIKING, UM, YET, AT LEAST. SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS STILL HANGING OUT THERE. SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF OUR, UH, GENERALLY WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE SESSION WHERE YET, YET, WE'RE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK AND WHAT THEY DO. IF THEY DO TRY AND TAKE UP A PROP 400, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, UH, CITIZENS INITIATIVES THAT CAN MAKE THE BALLOT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IT VERY COSTLY TO DO. YOU HAVE TO HAVE FINANCIAL BACKING IN ORDER TO GO OUT AND GET THE SIGNATURES TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT. BUT A COUPLE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT ARE THE MINIMUM WAGE. UH, RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT. AND THEN ALSO THE RANKED CHOICE VOTING. THAT'S WHERE, INSTEAD OF DOING A PRIMARY IN THE, UH, AND THEN HAVING, UH, SOMEBODY FROM THE DEMOCRAT REPUBLICAN PARTY MOVE FORWARD, YOU TAKE THE TOP VOTE GETTERS AND PUT 'EM ON THE FINAL BALLOT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO VERY CONTROVERSIAL AS WELL. SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. UH, JUST REAL QUICKLY, UM, AND THEN I'LL LET PAUL JUMP IN, UM, IS I THINK GOING FORWARD NEXT YEAR, ONE THING THAT EVERYBODY, EVERY CITY, EVERY COMPANY, EVERY LOBBYIST, EVERY EVERYBODY THAT TOUCHES STATE GOVERNMENT, UM, IN ANY FORM OR HAS ANY INTERACTION IS GONNA NEED TO DO, IS TAKE A LOOK AT THE REVENUE, UM, THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND THE REVENUE INTAKES. UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME SLIPPAGE IN REVENUES THAT ARE COMING IN THAT WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. IT'S YET TO BE SEEN IF, UH, REVENUES WILL CONTINUE TO DECLINE OR IF WE'RE GOING TO LEVEL OFF OR HOW THAT WILL IMPACT STATE BUDGET GOING FORWARD. BUT IF THE REVENUES DO DIP, THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR AFTER GONNA TAKE, ARE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THEY DEAL WITH THAT. AND ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE A RAINY DAY FUND, UM, IT'S, IF THERE IS A, IF THERE IS A CONTINUED, UH, DECLINE IN REVENUES, THE LEGISLATURES HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT. SO, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT BRINGS A LOT OF THINGS BACK ON THE TABLE, INCLUDING, UM, NEEDING TO JUST AT LEAST BE AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, DOES THE LEGISLATURE TRY AND LOOK AT HER FOR STATE SHARED REVENUES OR WHAT ELSE COULD BE OUT THERE? WE JUST NEED TO, UM, JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. UM, HOUSING REFORMS, OBVIOUSLY THAT DIDN'T PASS THIS YEAR. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE BACK. AND THEN IF PROP 400 E DOESN'T GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THIS YEAR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT AS WELL. AND YOU WRAP ALL THAT UP INTO THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING INTO AN ELECTION YEAR WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, THE US SENATE ELECTION, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, EVERY, UM, STATEWIDE, UH, AT EVERY LEGISLATOR AND IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE ARE ALSO UP, AND WE HAVE SUPER TIGHT MARGINS, IT WILL MAKE FOR A VERY, VERY BUSY YEAR. SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY QUICK UPDATE, PAUL. I'LL MUTE MYSELF AND LET YOU TAKE OVER. THANKS, TODD. YEAH, MAYOR CASTLE, THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. [01:15:01] I JUST WANNA DRILL LITTLE DEEPER AND WHAT TODD JUST MENTIONED ON, ON THE REVENUE ANALYSIS, BECAUSE NORMALLY THE JOINT LEGISLATIVE BUDGET COMMITTEE, OR J LBC IS HOW YOU'LL HEAR 'EM REFER TO MOST OFTEN. NORMALLY, THEY'LL PUBLISH, UH, A TYPICAL MONTHLY, UH, FISCAL, UH, HIGHLIGHT OF WHAT, UH, OF WHAT THE STATE BUDGET REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES LOOK LIKE, AND IF THEY'LL, HOW, HOW THAT MATCHES UP TO WHAT THEIR BUDGET LOOKS LIKE, UH, THIS MONTH. UH, AND LOOKING BACK TO RE REVIEW WHAT WAS GOING ON FOR THE MONTH OF MAY, UH, IN FISCAL YEAR, STILL FISCAL YEAR 23, THE LEGISLATURE AND J L B C SPECIFICALLY, UH, PROVIDED A PRELIMINARY GENERAL FUND REVENUE UPDATE. THAT WAS PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY. UH, AND, AND THEY DID IT BECAUSE OF EXACTLY WHAT TODD WAS ALLUDING TO, THAT THERE IS A, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONCERN IN, UH, IN WHAT OUR, UH, WHAT OUR STATE REVENUES LOOK LIKE, AND PARTICULARLY ITS IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND. AND, AND SO AS THAT, UH, REGULAR AND ROUTINE UPDATE OCCURRED ON JUNE 20TH, THE NEWS THAT WE SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT IS THAT THE, UM, UH, INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA IS DOWN. OKAY, CONSIDERABLY. UH, IT WAS, UH, WHEN COMBINED WITH A SMALL DECREASE AND FAIRLY MORE ANTICIPATED DECREASE IN OUR STATE SALES TAX REVENUES. THE, UH, THE GENERAL FUND IMPACT COMBINED FROM THE MONTH OF MAY WAS ALMOST A 200 MILLION DIFFERENCE, UM, IN WHAT WAS, UH, UH, UH, A FORECASTED PLANT. SO, UH, GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS END OF FY UH, 23, THE ENDING BALANCE AS ENACTED WAS TWO AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS. SO THERE'S A CASH BALANCE THAT WAS ANTICIPATED, UM, FOR THE DESIGN OF, OF, OF FISCAL YEAR 24. BUT AT THE END OF FY 23, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TWO AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS. SO THEY CAN MAKE UP, OR THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY TO END THIS FISCAL YEAR AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, UH, UH, WITH CONSIDERABLE, UH, OVERAGE. THE BAD NEWS IS THAT THE RECENTLY ENACTED FY 24 BUDGET, UH, HAS ONLY AN $8 MILLION, UH, CUSHION. SO IT IS, UH, IT IS VERY, VERY THINLY, UH, DESIGNED AND WILL OBVIOUSLY COST, UH, SOME REQUIRE, THERE WILL BE REQUIRED SOME SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS IN THE BUDGET, SHOULD THE INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX AND, UH, UH, AND, AND OTHER ITEMS, OTHER REVENUE ITEMS CONTINUE TO SUFFER, UM, IN THIS NEW FISCAL YEAR. SO, UH, TODD MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT SEVERAL THINGS TO KEEP AN EYE ON. UH, BUT GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT MOST CAREFULLY ARE, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX REVENUES, OUR SALES TAX REVENUES, AND THEN IMPACT ON EXPENDITURE SIDE, THE GROWTH IN THE ENDOWMENT SCHOLARSHIP ACCOUNTS FOR K-12 SPENDING GROWTH, AND HOW THAT, UH, IMPACTS THE STATE BUDGET. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION ANALYSIS GOING ON ABOUT HOW MANY, UH, K-12 STUDENTS ARE LEAVING THE TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND ENTERING INTO THE PRIVATE SYSTEM OF THE ESAS, UM, VERSUS HOW MANY OF THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY CURRENTLY ON, UH, PRIVATE SCHOOL, UM, ATTENDANCE ARE BENEFITING NOW FROM THE ESA ACCOUNTS AND ARE, UM, AND ARE UTILIZING THOSE ACCOUNTS TO, UM, TO PAY FOR THOSE, UH, PRIVATE SCHOOL DOLLARS THAT COULD HAVE ESTIMATES ARE WILD AND, AND, AND, AND RUN THE GAMUT AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT, IT, THAT COULD HAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN A 400 AND $800 MILLION IMPACT JUST IN FY 24. AND JUST ON THAT ONE PARTICULAR, UH, EXPENDITURE ITEM. SO, UH, HISTORICALLY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, AND, AND, AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS IS THE COMMENTS, NOT JUST FROM FROM PAULA TODD'S ANALYSIS, BUT FROM, UM, THE LEADERSHIP STAFF ON BOTH THE G O P SIDE AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE DEMOCRAT SIDE, UH, OF THE ISLES IN THE LEGISLATURE. UM, THERE IS A VERY REAL CONCERN THAT THERE COULD BE UP TO A $1 BILLION SHORTFALL, UM, THAT HAS TO BE CALCULATED FOR, UH, IN THE DESIGN OF THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET, IF THAT IS THE CASE. UM, THE ITEMS THAT ARE UNDER PRESSURE, TODD MENTIONED THEM THAT WE'LL WANT TO KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON FOR YOU GUYS IN PARTICULAR IS, UH, UH, O OBVIOUSLY URBAN REVENUE SHARING AND HOW THAT IMPACTS, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE, THE GOVERNORS OFTEN LOOK TO, UH, AS PART OF THE SHARED, UM, YOU KNOW, BUDGET BALANCING ACT, AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO, UM, TO HF AND, AND THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FLOODS. SO, UH, NOT TO PUT, NOT TO MAKE IT TOO SCARY, I THINK IT'S STILL, IT, IT'S STILL VERY PRELIMINARY. IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS OF DATA, UM, THAT HAVE SHOWN [01:20:01] THAT THIS COULD BE THE, THE, THE, THE REVENUE DOWNTURN THAT WE WERE, THAT, THAT WE AND SOME OTHERS WERE AFRAID OF. UM, WHAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN IS IT'S GONNA BE SUSTAINED OR IF, UH, CONSUMER SPENDING, UM, AND OTHER STRONG POINTS IN THE ECONOMY WILL, UM, WILL, UH, THE, THE STALLING OF THE FEDERAL RESERVES, UM, UH, INTEREST RATE CLIENT HIKES, ET CETERA, IF SOME OF THESE ITEMS WILL ALLOW, UM, SOME OF THE STATE GENERAL FUND REVENUES TO, TO INCREASE AND, AND LAY SOME OF THOSE BALANCING CONCERNS. BUT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR RIGHT NOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THEN FY 24 BUDGET, IF, IF WE EVEN STAYED ON A MEDIUM, UH, PLANE RIGHT NOW WITH REVENUES, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADJUSTMENTS MADE, UM, UH, TO CUT BACK ON SOME OF THE SPENDING COMMITMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UH, AND REVENUE SIDE, UH, THAT WERE MADE IN, UM, IN THIS LATEST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. SO ANYWAY, QUITE A BIT OF BUDGET ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE LAST, UM, IN THE, JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND A WHOLE LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THAT MAY, UM, THAT MAY IMPACT BOTH THE END OF THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WHICH STILL, AS TODD SAID, STILL NOT OVER WITH YET. SO IT'S AMAZING. UM, AND THEN, UH, UH, AND, AND THEN HOW IT'S GONNA IMPACT OUR, UH, STRATEGIES FOR, FOR FY UH, FOR THE FY 25 DESIGN COMING UP IN, IN JANUARY IN THE NEXT REGULAR SESSION. SO THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING PIECE THAT I WOULD SAY THAT'S REALLY OUTSTANDING THAT'S IMPACTING STATE GOVERNMENTS SIGNIFICANTLY IS THE LEGISLATURE'S, SPECIFICALLY THE SENATE CONTINUED REFUSAL TO ACT ON THE GOVERNOR'S, UM, UH, IT, IT, UH, AGENCY DIRECTOR NOMINATIONS. AND WITHOUT THOSE CONFIRMATIONS, MANY OF THOSE APPOINTMENTS ARE ALLOWED TO STAY IN PLACE. UM, THOSE FOLKS ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON AN INTERIM BASIS. UM, SO IT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. BUT, UM, HAVING SAID THAT, IT, IT DOES CREATE SOME UN IT CREATES SOME INSTABILITY IN ORGANIZATIONS THAT DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN WHO THEIR LEADER'S GONNA BE AND, AND, UH, UH, GOING FORWARD. AND IT'S CREATED SOME REAL DIFFICULT CHALLENGES FOR THOSE, UH, NOMINEES THAT, UH, THAT ARE IN LIMBO RIGHT NOW. UH, AND NOT KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD STICK AROUND, UM, AND CONTINUE TO PURSUE THIS, OR IF THEIR TIME IS GOING TO BE DUE. CAUSE OUR, OUR STATE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS GOVERNORS TO, UM, MAKE THESE APPOINTMENTS FOR AGENCY DIRECTORS IF THEY EXPIRE AFTER 3 55 DAYS. IF THE LEGISLATURE HAS NOT, UH, EXCUSE ME, IF THE SENATE HAS NOT, UH, CONFIRMED THEM, THERE'S SOME DEBATE, UH, UH, ABOUT, UM, WHETHER A, A NEGATIVE VOTE BY MERELY A COMMITTEE SUFFICES. BUT, BUT, UM, BUT, UH, THE GENERAL POINT IS THERE IS, THERE IS A, THERE IS A PROBLEM FOR THIS GOVERNOR, AND IT'S ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN SEEN QUITE SO AGGRESSIVELY SINCE, UH, GOVERNOR SYMINGTON WAS A G O P GOVERNOR IN THE 1990S IN ARIZONA, AND HE WAS DEALING WITH A DEMOCRAT, UM, SENATE WHO, UH, TREATED HIS NOMINEES SIMILAR TO HOW THESE NOMINEES ARE BEING TREATED RIGHT NOW. IT ULTIMATELY WORKED OUT IN A COMPROMISE, BUT THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFICULT NEGOTIATIONS THAT GOT HIM TO THAT POINT, UM, UH, AND, AND ALLOWED THOSE AGENCY, UH, TO ESTABLISH THEIR LEADERSHIP AND MOVE ON WITH THE BUSINESS. SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO WATCH THAT AND MONITOR THAT VERY CLOSELY. AT, AT THE MOMENT, THE SENATE HAS SAID THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY NOMINEES, UM, UH, OR, OR, OR, OR GOING FORWARD BASED ON THE GOVERNOR'S EXEC RECENT EXECUTIVE ORDERS. UM, SO, UH, THAT WAS AS OF, UH, LAST NIGHT OR THIS MORNING. SO, UH, UH, SO THAT LEAVES A LOT OF AGENCIES STILL IN LIMB BOAT. UH, BEAR, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR SPEAK DIRECTLY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE MOST RECENTLY ON THE, ON THE O H V ISSUES. BUT I, I COULD SUM IT UP REAL, UH, QUICKLY, THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, WITH YOUR LOCAL, UH, LEGISLATORS JUST TO KEEP 'EM UP TO SPEED ON, UH, WHAT OUR THINKING WAS. ANALYSIS WAS, RESPOND BACK TO SOME CORRESPONDENCE THAT THEY MADE TO US. UH, THEY'VE ASSURED US THEY APPRECIATED AND WANNA KEEP WORKING WITH US, COLLABORATE WITH US, AND KEEP, AND STAY INFORMED ON IT. THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY POSITIONS OR, UH, AND, AND MADE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THEY HAVE NOT, UM, TAKEN ANY POSITIONS, UH, ON, ON, ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE, UH, BUT ARE GRATEFUL THAT WE ARE, UH, KEEPING THEM UP TO DATE AND, UH, AND, AND IN THE LOOP ON, UH, ON WHAT OUR ACTIONS, UM, CURRENTLY OUR PLANS MAY BE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, MAYOR, AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ABOUT THAT TOPIC. UM, ANY OTHER PIECES OF BUSINESS I CAN, OR QUESTIONS WE, TODD AND I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU, UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER THEM. THANKS, PAUL. I APPRECIATE, AND TODD, I APPRECIATE THE REPORTS. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE DAY US HERE, AND WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS. UH, WE CAN START ON MY RIGHT. MELISSA, VICE MAYOR. YES. [01:25:01] HI THERE, TODD. AND PAUL, NICE TO SEE YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE THAT AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUSTAINABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE COMMITTEE OF THE LEAGUE, SCOTTSDALE HAD PUT IN THREE RESOLUTIONS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH PASSED UNANIMOUSLY FROM THE COMMITTEE AND WILL NOW BE FORWARDED TO THE RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE AT THE LEAGUE CONFERENCE. AND ONE OF THEM IS ON A CAP, THE SECOND ONE IS ON DENSITY, AND THE THIRD ONE IS ON, UM, SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS. SO SCOTTSDALE, WHO, AS YOU KNOW, DID NOT FEEL THAT THOSE ISSUES WERE PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO THEM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, HAVE NOW JUMPED ON THE BO ON THE BANDWAGON. I SPLIT UP THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN FROM SCOTTSDALE WHO WAS ON THE COMMITTEE, AND WE WROTE LETTERS TO ALL OF THEM, AND IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. AND NOW WE WANNA STRATEGIZE ABOUT HOW TO MAKE SURE IT GETS PASSED THROUGH THE LEAGUE, UH, TO THE RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE FROM OTHER MAYORS. UH, SO SCOTTSDALE SAYS THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN CONTACTS FROM A COUPLE OF OTHER CITIES, MESA BEING ONE AND SOME OTHERS. SO I THINK WE CAN POTENTIALLY EXPAND OUR STAKEHOLDER COMMUNITY, UH, AND GOING INTO SESSION, ASSUMING THAT THE LEAGUE, YOU KNOW, FIRST WE GOTTA GET THE LEAGUE TO PASS IT, THEN THE SECOND, IF IT GETS ON THEIR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, WE MAY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INCREASED GROUP OF PEOPLE WE CAN WORK WITH, UH, FOUR SESSION. SO STAY TUNED. ARE YOU PLANNING TO BE AT THE LEAGUE? WE BE, WILL WE SEE YOU THERE? WE, WE WILL BE THERE IN FORCE, UH, VICE MAYOR, AND YEAH, THANK YOU. WE'D BE GRATEFUL. AND IF THAT IS POSSIBLE TO GET A, A, A, A RESOLUTION DONE AND CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT THAT STAKEHOLDER GROUP AND INTEREST, THAT'S ENORMOUSLY HELPFUL. UM, I, I DID WANT TO, I DID WANNA MENTION ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, THANK YOU FOR THE PROMPT. UM, WHEN WE MET SOME WEEKS AGO WITH THE HOUSE SPEAKER AND HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, UM, WE, WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD TALK TO THEM ABOUT, UM, DESIGNING SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD, THAT, THAT, THAT HE, THAT THE HOUSE SPEAKER COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF. AND WE OBVIOUSLY AREN'T GONNA NEGOTIATE AGAINST OURSELVES IN ANY FASHION OR, OR FORM, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UH, I HAVE VERY RECENTLY, UM, HAD A FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATION WITH BOTH SPEAKER AND, UH, THE CHIEF OF STAFF ON THAT SUBJECT MATTER. AND THEY, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THEY RECALL THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY MADE TO, TO, TO YOU AND TO THE MAYOR. AND, UH, AND THEY INTEND TO ABIDE BY IT. THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE AND SEE IF THEY CAN'T SHAPE UP SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE SPEAKER CAN ACCOMMODATE AND, UM, AND, AND BE SUPPORTIVE OF, AND HOPEFULLY HELP US BUILD A CONSENSUS ON. UM, I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE PRESENTED A VARIETY OF, UM, UH, OF WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS. IT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS, YOU KNOW, MANY SOLUTION SETS. THEY, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT AS WELL. AND SO I THINK THAT, THAT IF WE CAN KEEP THAT FLEXIBILITY DESIGN IN OUR, UH, IN OUR PROPOSALS, THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE THE PERFECT SOLUTION IN TO, UH, OF ONE THAT CAN ACHIEVE THE VOTES. BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE, UM, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME SU SOME SERIOUS SUCCESS BASED JUST UPON THE COMMENTS THAT, UM, THAT THE CHIEF STAFF IN PARTICULAR HAS MADE TO ME RECENTLY. WELL, THAT'S NEWS. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS, I UNDERSTOOD THAT I'M CHANGING SUBJECTS TO HOUSING, THAT THERE HAD BEEN A COMPROMISE, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, WITH WORKING WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? WHY DID IT BLOW UP? YEAH, DIDN'T HAVE VOTES IN THE SENATE, UH, IS A SIMPLE ANSWER. UM, THERE WAS A COMPROMISE WORKED OUT BETWEEN THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, GOVERNOR'S OFFICE LEADERSHIP, UM, UH, THERE'S, UH, AND THE PROPOSERS, UH, THE INDUSTRY PLAYERS THAT WERE, UH, ACTIVE ENOUGH IN THAT SUBJECT AREA. AND, UH, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF, OF, UH, G O P MEMBERS IN PARTICULAR IN THE SENATE. IT HAD, THAT HAD SOME TROUBLE IN THE HOUSE AS WELL, UH, BUT THAT SIMPLY WEREN'T WILLING TO ABIDE BY THE COMPROMISE, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE STAKEHOLDER INTERESTS HAD HAD REACHED AGREEMENT. AND SO, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF SPECULATION, FRANKLY, THAT THAT LED TO SENATOR KAISER'S RESIGNATION. I THINK HE HAD SOME OTHER, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES AS WELL THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT. SENATOR, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL, UH, AND VIEWERS, SENATOR KAISER WAS, WAS GENERALLY THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL AND PROPONENT OF, OF THE, UH, INITIAL LEGISLATION AS WELL AS, [01:30:01] UH, AN ACTIVE SUPPORT OF THE, OF THE COMPROMISE BETWEEN, UM, HIS DRAFTS AND THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. AND, UH, AND AS TODD MENTIONED EARLIER, HE IS, HE HAS RESIGNED ONLY YESTERDAY. THERE, UM, UH, LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT, UH, MET LAST NIGHT, UH, SELECTED THREE NOMINEES THAT ARE GONNA BE FORWARDED TO, UM, THE MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, I DON'T WANT TO GET OUT OF THE, THE BOARD AND SUGGEST WHO MAY BE APPOINTED, BUT, UH, THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT, UH, HAVE, UH, SOME FAMILIAR, UH, UH, FACES BACK AT THE LEGISLATURE THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST. AND, UM, AND, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT WE'LL HAVE A GOOD, UM, WE'LL HAVE A GOOD REPLACEMENT FOR SARAH KAISER. BUT YEAH, SORRY TO DELAY THAT, BUT THE, UH, YEAH, THE SHORT ANSWER IS THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS IN THE SENATE THAT JUST COULD NOT ABIDE, UM, EVEN BY THE, GOT WISE. ONE LAST THING. THE, UH, STUDY COMMITTEE FOR OHVS FINALLY SET A DATE TO MEET. YEP. JULY 21ST AT THE CAPITOL. SO THANK YOU. IT'S MOVING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU, PAUL. I'D LIKE TO JUST TOUCH BASE WITH YOU. UM, IT'S SCOTT, BY THE WAY. I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SEE FROM THAT BROAD PICTURE UP THERE, BUT, UH, TO, UH, I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED FOR WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE SPEAKER, UH, BEING IMPRESSED BY US IN OUR MEETING FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE SNOWSTORM, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE THAT HE'S GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD. AND HE DID SAY MOVING, MOVING FORWARD, HE WOULD LOOK FOR A CHANGE, BUT HE STILL NEVER, LAST YEAR PUT IT BEFORE, UH, DISCUSSION IT, HE NEVER MOVED IT OUT OF HIS OFFICE. AND, UH, WHILE HE TALKED ABOUT THE CHIEF OF STAFF, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT HE PULLED FROM THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE THAT SAID HE WOULD NEVER SEE A CHANGE IN THE, UH, 1350 BILL. SO NOW CAN YOU, UH, GIVE ME ANY IDEA WHAT IT WAS THAT WE DID OR, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT REALLY IMPRESSED UPON HIM FOR NEXT YEAR? YEP, I SURE CAN. MAYOR, AND, AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, UH, THAT THEY WERE, THEY OFFERED THAT DISCLOSURE RIGHT UP FRONT THAT, THAT, UH, UH, THAT THERE HAD BEEN INVOLVEMENT IN THE DESIGN OF THE ORIGINAL 1350 LEGISLATION FROM THAT LEADERSHIP POSITION. AND, UH, UH, AND SO THEY WERE REAL TRANSPARENT AND OPEN ABOUT THAT. UH, BUT WHAT I THINK WHAT WAS MOST IMPACTFUL, FRANKLY, WAS YOUR DISCUSSIONS OF, UH, UH, OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. THERE WAS SOME MOVEMENT AS WELL, UH, UH, IF I'M BEING FAIR, TO, UH, UH, TO, UH, DUE TO THE EFFORTS OF LAKE SIOUX CITY MM-HMM. , UH, WHO WERE PRESENT WITH US AND, AND THEIR MAYOR WHO DESCRIBED THEIR PARTICULAR AND UNIQUE SITUATIONS, CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT, UH, UH, I THINK WHAT'S DRIVING THEIR DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED IS THE, THE, THE, THE, THAT THERE WAS A CON, THERE WAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, OF JUST HOW SIGNIFICANT THIS TIPPING, HOW CLOSE AND SIGNIFICANT THIS TIPPING POINT, UH, MAY BE. THAT, UM, E EVEN IF THE NUMBERS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE FLATTENED OUT OR DIP A BIT IN, IN EACH MONTH IN TERMS OF THE, UH, UH, NUMBER OF, UH, OF SHORT TERM RENTALS IN, IN, IN THE CITY, THE, THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF WHERE THEY COULD GO AND COULD GO IN VERY SHORT ORDER AND WITHOUT ANY, UH, MANAGEMENT OR CONTROL OF THAT, UH, UH, OR ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT OF IT, IT WAS CONVINCING ENOUGH TO SCARE THEM AND THEN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT COULD CHANGE AND RIP AT THE VERY FABRIC OF, UH, OF THE CITY. AND, UH, AND THEY UNDERSTAND IT TO BE THE, THEY UNDERSTAND IT TO BE THE TREASURER OF THE STATE THAT YOU ALL ARE, ARE, ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO BE STEWARDS OF. AND AND I ALSO THINK, FRANKLY, UH, YOU GUYS MADE IT REALLY CLEAR THAT YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN HARMING, UH, UH, INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES THAT CURRENTLY OPERATE IN A UNREGULATED ENVIRONMENT. UH, SO I THINK WHEN YOU MADE IT CLEAR THAT, UH, THAT YOU WANNA WORK WITH, WITH ALL OF THESE INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT, UM, THERE'S A REASONABLE, UH, TRANSITION, UM, AND THAT HOWEVER WE DO THIS, IT SHOULDN'T BE A SHOCK TO THE SYSTEM AND IN, IN, IN WHATEVER DIRECTION IT IS WE WANT, UM, TO, TO, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AS FAST AS WE CAN TO STEM THIS PROBLEM AND TO, TO SUSPEND THIS GROWTH. UH, BUT I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS WERE REALLY REALISTIC ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL AND STATU AND CURRENT STATUTORY RESTRICTIONS ARE THERE, AND FRANKLY, THE POLITICAL DYNAMICS THAT ARE THERE, UM, THAT COULD LIMIT US, [01:35:01] UH, YOUR REALISM IN THO IN THAT REGARD HELPED A WHOLE LOT TO PERSUADE THEM TO KNOW THAT WE'D BE GOOD PARTNERS IN HAVING, UM, IN HAVING MORE ADVANCED CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DESIGN. SO, UH, ALRIGHT. THANKS PAUL. UH, TO MY LEFT, KATHY, PETE, THANKS, MAYOR. UH, TODD AND PAUL'S IS PETE FURMAN, THE B THAT'S UNDER MY BONNET IS OUR BILL THAT WE TRIED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY VOTE ON OUR COMMUNITY PLAN. HAVE WE, WE HAVE ANY LESSONS LEARNED, ANY INSIGHT, ANY AFTER ACTION STORIES ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED? AND IF THIS COUNCIL CHOSE TO TRY AND DO THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR, HOW WOULD IT FARE? YEAH, I'LL, UH, I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, I, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BILL MADE IT OUT OF THE HOUSE. WE HAD A GREAT SPONSOR IN OUR OWN, UH, REPRESENTATIVE BLISS. AND WHEN THE BILL DID STALL OUT IN, IN THE SENATE GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE, UH, BECAUSE IT COULDN'T GET A HEARING, UM, SENATOR BLISS DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T TAKE IT EASILY. SHE KEPT ASKING, AND SHE EMAILED AND WALKED OVER, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE ROSE GARDEN, HAD THE CONVERSATION, HEY, WHY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, HEAR MY BILL? UM, AND ULTIMATELY WHERE WE ENDED UP WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE OFFERED TO, UM, UH, RE-ENGAGE WITH HER NEXT YEAR, UM, ON THIS ISSUE. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A DESIRE BY THE CITY, UM, WE SHOULD, I MEAN, THE BILL DOESN'T NEED TO BE CHANGED AT ALL. I, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UNLESS YOU GUYS THINK OTHERWISE, BUT WE TAKE THE VERY SAME BILL BACK, WE COULD GO BACK TO HIM AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO RUN. HERE'S HERE'S HOW WE WANT TO DO IT. UM, AND GET THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. YOU KNOW, EARLY ON, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE WANTED TO, TO SEE IS HE SAID, I, I WANNA SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL PLAN IS, TELL ME WHAT THE ACTUAL PLAN IS. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE PLAN IS IN FORMATION. UM, IT'S NOT FINALIZED, IT'S NOT COMPLETED. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKES TIME AND IS PUT TOGETHER. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, NEXT JANUARY, NEXT DECEMBER, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE MORE DETAILS AROUND THAT. AND, UM, IF THERE'S, IF THE TIMING IS RIGHT, I KNOW TIMING IS OF, OF ESSENCE ON THIS ONE. UM, BUT IF THERE'S STILL A DESIRE TO RUN THIS BILL BACK AND WE HAVE, UM, A LITTLE MORE THAT WE COULD, COULD SHOW HIM AS FAR AS WHAT THE PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE, I THINK WE GO, COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER, LET ME, MAYOR, MAY I JUST ADD THAT, UH, I THINK THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT WE RAN INTO A, UH, A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE MASSIVE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND WE HAVE ONE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN WHO'S ABLE TO USE THAT COMMITTEE'S AUTHORITY, UM, TO TOIF, TO SNUFF OUT THE LEGISLATION. SO, UH, THERE ARE MANEUVERS, UH, THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY STRATEGIZE TO MAKE TO, TO, TO, TO, UM, UH, MANEUVER AROUND THAT. UM, SO IF THERE IS A TAKEAWAY, IT'S THAT, UM, WE PROBABLY COULDN'T COME IN THE FRONT DOOR INTO THE SENATE IF THIS COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN CONTINUES TO, UH, TAKE A COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, OPPOSING STAND. SO, UH, IF WE DID WANT TO PURSUE IT, AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO TALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE ALTERNATIVE METHODS MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND FRANKLY, WHAT THEIR IMPACTS MIGHT BE ON, ON, ON OTHER MATTERS THAT WE WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PURSUE, UH, AT THE SENATE IN, IN THE COMING, UH, REGULAR LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. JESSICA, COULD THE LEGISLATURE NOT ADJOURN AT ALL AND JUST HAVE A NEW ONE START WHEN IT STARTS? BECAUSE I HEARD THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO ADJOURN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE GOVERNOR TO MAKE INTERIM APPOINTMENTS, WHICH YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, SO THEY COULD JUST GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH. AND THEN WOULD THAT BE CONSTITUTING THE END OF THE SESSION WHEN THE NEW ONE STARTED? YES, YES. IS THE SHORT ANSWER THEY COULD. OKAY. SHORT IS GOOD , THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A SUPREME, UH, INTEREST THAT'S VERY MADE VERY PUBLIC BY THE HOUSE THAT THEY WANT TO ADJOURN, SIGN, AND DIE. UM, IF THE SENATE CONTINUES TO REFUSE, THEY COULD STAY IN FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. THE PROBLEM THAT, THAT, AND THE PRESSURE POINT IS WHAT, UH, TODD ALLUDED TO, THERE ARE BILLS THAT WERE SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR YEAH. THAT DO NOT BECOME EFFECTIVE UNTIL 90 DAYS FOLLOWING THE ADJOURNMENT. SO IF THERE IS A DELAY FOR THOSE, THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE DELAY FOR THOSE BILLS. THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD TAKE, THEY WOULD GO INTO, UH, UH, WE WOULD HAVE EFFECTIVE DATES FOR BILLS SIGNED THIS YEAR. THAT WOULD NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL, EXCUSE ME, TILL THE END OF MARCH OR APRIL, UH, 1ST OF APRIL OF, OF NEXT YEAR. ONE OF THOSE, THAT'S A BIG INCENTIVE, UM, [01:40:01] UH, FOR BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE, UH, LEADERSHIP, FRANKLY, IS, UH, IS A, A SMALL TAX REDUCTION MEASURE. IT'S A TAX REBATE THAT WAS DESIGNED TO BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AFTER BEING EFFECTIVE, UH, IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. AND THIS WAS REV, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE WAS GONNA HAVE TO HUSTLE IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE, BUT THEY'D HAVE THESE TAX REBATES OUT, UH, UH, TO, UH, BEAT THE HOLIDAYS. AND SO THEY WOULD BE IN, IN TAXPAYERS MAILBOXES AROUND THE HOLIDAYS FROM THE STATE, UH, DEPARTMENT. AND SO IF THOSE REBATES ARE NOT, IF THAT, IF THAT PIECE, I GOT IT INFORMATION IS NOT EFFECTIVE IN NOVEMBER, THEN THOSE REBATES DON'T GO OUT. SO, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A RIPPLE EFFECT IF THEY CONTINUE TO STAY IN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY ONE OF THEM. THE OTHER ONE IS THAT HOW, HOW PER DIEM IS PAID OUT TO, TO LAWMAKERS WHO AREN'T TRANSACTING BUSINESS BUT ARE, BUT ARE BEING PAID, UH, FOR EXPENSES. AND SO THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PRESSURE POINTS THAT I THINK CAN COME TO BEAR AND CHANGE THE ANALYSIS. RIGHT NOW, THE, THE HOUSE AND SENATE COMPROMISED TO, TO GO UNTIL, UH, UH, UNTIL JULY 30TH, BUT, UH, AND COME BACK, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE INCREASING PRESSURES TO ADJOURN. SO TO DIE, I THINK. THANK YOU. THANKS, PAUL. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER LAST MINUTE FOLLOWS? OKAY, GENTLEMEN, UM, BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING, IS ANYTHING YOU WANT TO CLOSE WITH? NO, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE. DO WE HAVE IT? UM, HOLD ON. ACTION. NO, ACTION. NO, I KNOW THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA BE SURE ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT. NOPE. OKAY. UH, THERE'S NO ACTION ON THIS. I GUESS WE WON'T SEE YOU UNTIL THE CONFERENCE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE LUNCH WHEN WE SEE YOU DOWN THERE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR VIRTUALLY JOINING US TODAY, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. THANK YOU. OKAY. [8.c. AB 2964 Discussion/possible action regarding a Resolution authorizing the City of Sedona to enter into a development agreement with MKC Holdings, LLC, for the development of a multi-family project at 10 Navajo Drive with lease term restrictions and City contributions for construction of a Shared Use Path though the project site] OKAY, ITEM C, AB 29 64. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF ARIZONA TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH MKC HOLDINGS, LLC FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AT 10 NAVAJO DRIVE WITH LEASE TERM RESTRICTIONS AND CITY CONTRIBUTIONS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A SHARED USE PATH THROUGH THE PROJECT, UH, PROJECT SITE. I SEE CARRIE COMING UP. WOW. I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE SINCE LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO. LIKE TWO DAYS AGO. WELL, THAT'S TRUE. OH, THAT'S ANOTHER THING. YES. SO, HI CARRIE. HI. SO I DO NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION, UM, BUT THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM TO THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH KEITH HOLMAN. I THINK YOU ALL FAMILIAR WITH HIM, BUT HE IS DEVELOPING A PROJECT IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION CALLED NAVAJO LOFTS. IT IS 60 TOWNHOUSE DUPLEX UNITS. AND BECAUSE THE DENSITY IS OVER 12 UNITS PER ACRE, UM, TO DEVELOP THAT MANY UNITS, THE, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE BE SOME KIND OF RESTRICTION TO ADDRESS LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS, UM, AND IS ALSO PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, THROUGH THIS PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE SHARED USE PATHS IN THE GO PLAN. AND SO HE WILL BE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT AND THE CITY WOULD BE REIMBURSING HIM FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION. SO I'M AVAILABLE, KEITH IS AVAILABLE, WE'RE ALL AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. BRIAN, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? JUST ONE QUESTION. THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INCLUDES A PROHIBITION ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, MINIMUM 90 DAY RENTAL. MM-HMM. , IS THAT A PERMANENT DEEDED RESTRICTION? IT'S A 30 YEAR RESTRICTION. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST LEMME SEE. ANYTHING VICE MAYOR CARRIE, THE REIMBURSEMENT IS UP TO 300,000, RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU PETE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I WASN'T ABLE TO SEE THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION IN THE PACKET, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE SHARED USE PATH AND IS IT ACTUALLY CONNECTING TO ARIA AND OUT THE OTHER SIDE? THE DRAWING TO ME LOOKED LIKE IT KIND OF PETERED OUT AND RIGHT. AND DIDN'T ACTUALLY GO TO THE STREETS, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. UM, WELL WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL DESIGN FOR IT, BUT THE EASEMENT FOR IT DOES CONNECT TO TWO STREETS, AND SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT BUILDING IN THE EASEMENT THERE. OKAY. SO THE, SO I SAW THE DRAWINGS CORRECT, IT'S JUST THE FINAL DESIGN ISN'T RIGHT, BUT IT WILL IN THE END WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH IT, WILL CONNECT BOTH STREETS AND BE A USABLE PATH. YES. WONDERFUL. ANDY? YEAH, I WOULD JUST CLARIFY AS WELL THAT IN THE FUTURE, UM, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A, A, UH, I GUESS A PROJECT PROGRAMMED TO EXTEND BEYOND THIS PROPERTY TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST. THANK YOU MAYOR. [01:45:02] MAYOR, MAYOR. COUNCIL, IF I MAY, IT'S, IT'S UP TO 300,000 IS WHAT THE CITY WILL REIMBURSE. IF IT GOES OVER, IT'LL BE SPLIT 50 50 SO THERE IS NO ACTUAL CAP. UM, ESTIMATES SHOW THAT IT'LL BE UNDER 300,000 MOST LIKELY, UM, FOR ITS CURRENT PROJECT, BUT IF IT GOES OVER, THE CITY WILL SHARE THAT WITH THE DEVELOPER. OKAY. KATHY, ANYTHING? NOPE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, DO WE HAVE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT? JUST IF YOU HAVE ANY CARDS, RIGHT? I DON'T JOE? NO, WE HAVE NO, UH, CARDS, SO, WE'LL, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT, SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN AND CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND DO I HAVE A MOTION? JESSICA, HOLD THE MOTION LADY TODAY. THAT'S OKAY. THAT WORKS. I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 24 24 AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF SEDONA TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH MKC HOLDINGS L L C FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AT 10 NATO DRIVE WITH LEASE TERM RESTRICTIONS AND CITY CONTRIBUTIONS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A SHARED USE PATH THROUGH THE PROJECT SITE. SECOND VICE MAYOR ON SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? NO. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. KEY. [8.d. Reports/discussion regarding Council assignments. ] OKAY. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. REPORTS DISCUSSION, COUNCILOR ASSIGNMENTS, THAT'S ITEM D. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THIS? YES, PLEASE. UM, SO AS MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE, UM, I REPRESENT THE CITY ON THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE GSRC. UM, I AM SITTING ON TWO COMMITTEES, ONE OF WHICH IS THE DATA AND MONITORING GROUP. UM, THEY'RE MAKING I THINK, REALLY GREAT PROGRESS AT FIGURING OUT WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED TO GET OUR BASELINES? AND THEN, UM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, IF THEY ACTUALLY SOLVE OR MITIGATE. SO IN A CONVERSATION THAT, UM, THE MAYOR AND I HAD, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE PILOT PROJECTS THAT THERE, UM, WORKING, WORKING ON, NOW IT'S WITH, UM, CAPTAIN JOHNSON FROM THE YAVAPAI, UH, SHERIFF AND, UM, JOHN FITZGIBBONS WHO, UH, IS WITH PINK JEEPS. THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN CHARGE OF THIS PROJECT, THIS PILOT PROGRAM. THE PILOT PROGRAM IS WITH A, A COMPANY CALLED FLOCK, UH, LESS IN A FLOCK OF SEAGULLS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SEE THE HUMOR IN THAT STATEMENT. UM, AND UH, YOU CAN GO LOOK THEM UP ONLINE. THEY HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT KINDS OF MONITORING CAMERAS AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, WHICH IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT CAMERA. SO IT'LL BE A PILOT PROGRAM. THEY'RE GETTING ONE, I BELIEVE TO START. IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, MOUNTED PERMANENTLY, UH, IN A WAY THAT CANNOT BE VANDALIZED AND STOLEN LIKE SOME OF THE GAME CAMERAS HAVE BEEN, UM, AS THEY'VE BEEN DOING MONITORING. AND IT'LL BE OVER ON, ON BOYNTON. SO 1 52 C BASICALLY. AND WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT, UM, BEING A LAW ENFORCEMENT CAMERA, IT WILL TAKE THE A PICTURE PHOTOS, NOT FILMS, PHOTOS AS CARS GO BY OF THE BACK LICENSE PLATE. YOU CAN THEN DO THINGS, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE PREPARE A DATABASE THAT HAS ALL THE LICENSE PLATES FOR SAY THE RENTAL COMPANY, UM, DEVICES HERE IN TOWN. AND IT CAN THEN COUNT HOW MANY, UH, RENTAL UNITS ARE BEING DRIVEN ACROSS BOYNTON, HOW MANY WOULD BE PRIVATE, AND AS WELL AS KNOWING WHAT TYPES OF VEHICLES THERE, THERE ACTUALLY ARE. UM, WHICH BECOMES IMPORTANT, NOT JUST AROUND THE IDEA OF PERMITTING. CUZ ALSO IF WE DID GO TO SOME PERMITTING, YOU CANNOT PERMIT OPEN ROAD LIKE YOU HAVE ON THE WEST SEDONA, O O H V TRAILS. BUT YOU COULD PERHAPS, UM, IF THEY ARE DAILY PERMITS, LIKE THOSE ISSUED OVER AT SOLDIER'S PASS, YOU WOULD GET A SERIES OF LICENSE PLATES FROM THE FOREST SERVICE ON A DAILY BASIS CUZ THEY'RE LICENSED. THE PERMIT IS LICENSED TO THE LICENSE PLATE. AND THEN YOU CAN KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THOSE TRAILS ARE ACTUALLY ONES THAT HAVE PERMITS, ARE ONES THAT DO NOT. SO WHERE WE WOULD GO FROM THERE IS UNKNOWN. UM, THEY'RE HOPING THAT THE TRIAL WILL START IN, UM, A MONTH OR TWO. IT'S A MATTER OF THEY HAVE TO BE INSTALLED AND SET UP BY FLOCK. AND FLOCK IS JUST DELAYED IN HAVING UNITS MADE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. THERE'S SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE DOING. THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF OTHER THINGS THAT, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY MEASURING PMT PM 10 DUST OR [01:50:01] FREE DUST TO SEE HOW MUCH THERE REALLY IS THAT ARE GENERATED. AND THEN LOOKING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT, FOR INSTANCE, THE SPEED IS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, BUT ALSO THE WEIGHT CLASS PERHAPS OF THE VEHICLE. SO DO YOU KNOW ATVS PRODUCE MORE GOING AT 15 MILES IN A JEEP, SO FORTH AND SO ON, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF VEHICLES THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO THEY'RE COLLECTING A LOT OF DATA, UM, ON JUST VEHICLES ON VOLUMES, BUT NONE OF IT YET. HA IT'S ALL IN RAW FORM. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE PRESENTED AS, AS A REPORT, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU, UM, HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PILOTS GOING FORWARD, UM, AND THAT THIS GROUP REALLY IS TAKING SERIOUSLY HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT OUR BASELINES AND THEN WHAT KINDS OF MITIGATION STRATEGIES WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE. EXCELLENT. THAT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE. THANK YOU. BRIAN, ANYTHING? NO, MAYOR. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. OKAY. KATHY. PETE? UH, NO, MAYOR, YOU COVERED IT. I WAS GONNA SPEAK ABOUT THAT INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, UH, UH, MEETING THAT WE HAD. THAT WAS A WONDERFUL MEETING. THANK YOU. OKAY. JESSICA? NO. NOTHING ABOUT THE LIBRARY? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE LIBRARY'S A GREAT INSTITUTION IN SEDONA. YES, . OKAY. [8.e. Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items. ] MOVING RIGHT ALONG. UH, DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION ON, UH, FUTURE, REGARDING FUTURE MEETING, AGENDA ITEMS? ANYTHING? OKAY. LET'S, UH, JUST REMIND EVERYBODY WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AT UH, THREE O'CLOCK AND RIGHT HERE, COUNCIL CHAMBERS. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE AGAIN. UH, HEARING NOTHING ELSE. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. IT'S THE SUBJECT IS AN UPDATE ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. YES. OKAY. TRUE. OKAY. HEARING NOTHING ELSE, [10. ADJOURNMENT] THIS MEANS ADJOURNED. I HAVE A QUICK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.