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[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, UH, THE FOUR 30 MEETING SANOMA CITY COUNCIL MEETING.THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT, ESPECIALLY THE BEGINNING WILL BE REALLY EXCITING FOR EVERYBODY HERE.
UH, SO WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDI WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART]
OKAY.UM, WE ARE GOING TO KICK OFF WITH OUR MOMENT OF ART.
NANCY, THIS SHOULD BE VERY TASTY.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW, JULY IS NATIONAL CULINARY ARTS MONTH.
SO IT WAS VERY FITTING THAT WE HONOR OUR VERY OWN SUPER CHEF LISA DAHL.
LISA CAME TO SEDONA OVER 20 YEARS AGO FROM SAN FRANCISCO, WHERE SHE HAD A SUCCESSFUL CAREER IN FASHION.
UM, SHE WENT THROUGH, UNFORTUNATELY, A DIFFICULT TIME AFTER THAT, UM, AND UNEXPECTEDLY LOST HER SON, JUSTIN.
AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT, SHE MOVED TO SEDONA AND CHANNELED THAT TRAGEDY INTO HER PASSION FOR COOKING, WHICH IS WHAT SHE DID WITH JUSTIN.
THIS REAWAKENING WAS THE INCEPTION OF, UH, WHAT WOULD BECOME YEARS OF HARD WORK THAT WOULD CATAPULT DINING TO AN ELEVATED LEVEL IN SEDONA.
LISA IS A SELF-TAUGHT SEASONED PRO THAT HAS DISPLAYED TREMENDOUS GRIT AND PERSEVERANCE AND DETERMINATION IN THE YEARS.
SHE HAS BIRTHED HER SIX AWARD-WINNING RESTAURANTS.
WE ALL KNOW THEM, BUT I'LL JUST LIST THEM.
DALIN DELUCA, KACHINA, RUSTICA PISA, LISA MARIOSA, BUTTERFLY BURGER, AND A NEW PIECE OF LISA IN THE VILLAGE.
SHE HAS MANY RECOGNITIONS, WHICH I'D LIKE TO SHARE.
UM, SHE, SHE RECEIVED THE WOMAN'S LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT LEADERSHIP AWARD FROM THE CHAMBER THIS YEAR.
SHE WAS FEATURED AS THE JAMES BEARD HOUSE CHEF.
SHE WAS RECOGNIZED BY NATIONAL ELITES BEST CHEFS OF AMERICA HALL OF FAME AWARD IN 2019.
SHE WAS ARIZONA'S RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION AWARDS TOP HONOR AS FOOD PIONEER IN 2019, AND THEN THEIR TOP CHEF IN 2018.
SHE'S ALSO A PHILANTHROPIST AND VERY GENEROUS.
SHE RECEIVED THE SEDONA ILLUMINATE FILM FESTIVAL SPIRIT OF SERVICE AWARD IN 2022.
AND IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW, SHE'S ALSO CREATING AN INTERNATIONAL, HAS CREATED NONPROFIT CALLED PROJECT SOUP HOPE, WHICH FEEDS THE HOMELESS NUTRITIONAL SOUPS.
IN ADDITION, IF THAT WASN'T ENOUGH
LATIN FUSION COOKING, I, HER MANTRA IS WONDERFUL.
WHEN YOU COOK WITH LOVE, YOU FEED THE SOUL.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THIS FORMAT FROM THE MOMENT OF ART, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A SIZZLE REEL, WHICH WHICH WILL DISPLAY ALL HER CREATIVITY IN THE KITCHEN AND, UM, HER CAREER.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE A BRIEF Q AND A.
SO THINK OF ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK HER.
SO JOANNE IS GONNA ROLL IT AND WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT STEP.
I'M LISA DOLL, THE EXECUTIVE CHEF OWNER OF DOLL RESTAURANT GROUP IN STILL ARIZONA.
THE BEAUTIFUL RED BUSINESS OF ARIZONA IS SET QUITE A
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MAJESTIC MOOD ON YOUR OWN, BUT THE FEW FROM MARIOSA LA INSPIRED GRILL IS PARTICULARLY PERFECT FOR NIGHT.I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT ENCOURAGED THE DINING EXPERIENCE FOR LOVERS, ONE WAY TO KEEP A ROMANCE IS TO SHARE A LOVING DISH.
MAYBE YOUR TRIP STYLE MIGHT SUGGEST TO GO.
I LIKE TO THIS RECIPE FOR 24 HOURS.
ALL OF OUR FLAVORS THAT WE'RE USING HERE ARE PMA.
I ABSOLUTELY ENJOY USING AS MUCH LEMON AS I CAN, CAN.
I'M SWEEPING THE HECK OUT OF A LEMON, GETTING EVERY BIT THAT I CAN AND THEN LEAVING.
THIS IS KIND OF LIKE WE'RE DOING THE WILD BEST COWBOY COOKING HERE.
THAT SADDLES UP WITH A WIND OVEN FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES IS OVER 700 DEGREES.
THAT IS THE PERFECT MOIST, DELICIOUS FALL OFF THE BONE PIECE OF CHICKEN.
I LOVE TO GARNISH IT WITH A RUSTIC GRILLED LEMON, SO YOU CAN SQUEEZE IT RIGHT OVER TOP TEA ACH, CILANTRO JUST FOR COLOR AND A LITTLE HEAVILY ROASTED PEPPERS.
THIS IS OUR SIGNATURE POLO RUSTIC COLOR WITH THE PERFECT DISH FOR MOTHER TO SHARE ON DATE.
NIGHT OUT NOODLE FAVORITE DATE NIGHT ELEGANCE WITH DOWN COMFORT FOOD, LOBSTER SCAM BEEF MASHED POTATOES.
IT'S LIKE AN APPLE WITH A LOBSTER SCAM.
BE AND VEY MASHED POTATOES THROUGH THE LEMON SST.
AND IT'S THE PERFECT SHARING DISH.
YOU ALWAYS WANT TO COOK YOUR POTATO LIKE A VAST SIMMER BECAUSE IF YOU WERE AVOIDANT, YOU'RE POUR TEAR THE POTATO BAR.
HERE THEY HI, IT INGREDIENT, THE SECRET INGREDIENT'S OUR LEMON SST.
IT'S SO FRESH AND LIGHT AND DELICIOUS AND YUMMY, BUT IT'S ALSO PERFECT FOR THE LOBSTER YOU HEAR.
YOU KNOW THAT IT'S THE PERFECT HEAT FOR YOUR FANS.
LOOK AT THE CHUNKS OF THE LOBSTER IF THEY CHANGE THEIR COLOR.
THIS IS OUR DECADENT LOBSTER SCAMPY POTATOES.
THIS IS THE MOST PERFECT DISH FOR ROMANCE.
OUR FIRST CONT CONTAINER WENT FROM HIGH PASSION TO HIGH AND DINING, AND TONIGHT SHE'S GONNA PUT A YOU UP STOCK FROM SEDONA, ARIZONA DECADE.
AND ROUND ONE HAPPY WITH THE GRILL.
OKAY, SO I WANT TELL GOOD TODAY.
MY SIGNATURE TISH IS IS THE SLIDERS.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M A BURGER QUEEN.
YOU WANT A BURGER COMPETITION, RIGHT? I DID.
AND THEN WE, WE HAVE TO SAY WHAT? FIVE RESTAURANTS IN SEDONA.
THANK YOU TALKED LUCA ISTIC WOULD BECOME YOUR FAVORITE BECAUSE TODAY IT IS ALL ABOUT ITALIAN.
ALRIGHT, SEAFOOD, DECADE, NEW YEAR'S.
AS I SAID, WE'RE GET ANY TURN TO FIND CONCERN.
OKAY? SO I'M GONNA JOINED BY CHEF AND OWNER OF RESTAURANT AND SEDONA, LISA DAH.
TODAY WE'RE FOCUSING OUR NEWEST ONE ONE, WHICH IS BUTTERFLY BURGER.
YOU GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.
SHE TELLS US WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND YOU'VE GOT THE NEW RESTAURANT.
AND I WANTED TO FEATURE A BERGER THAT I WON THE 2019 SCOTTSDALE BERG BATTLE WITH.
ALL OF THE WACO KIT ROOM THIS MORNING.
SO IT IS PERFECT SNOW WEATHER.
IT, IT'S PERFECT TIME ABOUT JOINING US IN THE KITCHEN THIS MORNING.
UM, FRESH ON THE JAMES BE HOUSE RECENTLY, JUST LAST WEEK ACTUALLY.
BUT PRESENTATION IS SO, SO EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY AT THE JAMES BEARD HOUSE.
A LITTLE HIGH LEVELS OF EXPECTATION WITHOUT THE DOUBT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE SIX APPETIZERS AND THE FIVE COURSES.
WE HELPED TO A PRESENTATION, BUT I THINK THEY'RE EQUALLY FLAVOR.
YOU KNOW, YOUR GUESTS ARE, ARE VERY DISCERNING.
AND IF YOU LET THEM DOWN, DOWN AT SUCH A HIGH PRICE TAG, AND THIS REMEMBER WAS, WAS MY SECOND VISIT AT THEIR WELL, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE CHEF LISA STICK AROUND FOR US THIS MORNING.
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TASTE THE MENTALITY.BRAND NEW BURGER RESTAURANT OPENING CALLED BUN FLIGHT BURGER, THE COUTURE BURGER LOUNGE, AND THE MENUS FILLED WITH GORGEOUS PHIL WITH BIRDS, OUR NEXT LEVEL.
AND I'M NOT SURPRISED, IT'S GORGEOUS BECAUSE THE ORANGE CHEF LISA, THE DOLLARS TO LISA, YOU'RE WELCOME.
I'M SO HAPPY TO BE BACK TONIGHT.
AND DETROIT, YOU GET YOURSELF SO MANY TOO RIGHT NOW.
FIRST I WONDER EACH, EVERYBODY, HOW'S ALL THESE? YOU HAVE FANCY RESTAURANTS AND LUNCH PLACES AND YOU, YOU HAVE FOR A, SO IN THE SPIRIT OF LISA'S GENEROSITY, SHE HAS BROUGHT, UH, SOME PIZZA AND, UH, ARTICHOKE BRITTA TO SHARE THAT.
KAREN AND I WILL CUT UP FOR, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR THE WHOLE ROOM,
UM, I JUST ASKED YOU TO BRING ENOUGH FOR THE FRONT OF THE ROOM, SO WE'LL DO THAT WHILE WE HAVE A Q AND A.
WHEN DO YOU SLEEP
WELL, I'M HOPING FOR QUESTIONS AND ANYBODY WANNA START THAT? I WOULD LOVE IT.
I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY, OH, MR. JAB.
UH, WILL THERE BE A SEVENTH? NEVER
NO, I, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
SO, UM,
SO RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN MANY RESPECTS BECAUSE OF, UM, WE HAD PLANNED OUR NEW VILLAGE RESTAURANTS, BUT AT THAT TIME WE DIDN'T PLAN A PANDEMIC, RIGHT? SO IT, IT, IT KIND OF THREW US FOR A LOOP.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, WE'RE NOT OUT OF THAT CONUNDRUM YET.
SO THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA.
AND NANCY TURNED THIS INTO SUCH A, A FUN, UM, A FUN THING.
BUT IF NOTHING ELSE, I THINK THAT EVERYONE CAN PROBABLY SEE THAT I LOVE SEDONA AND I LOVE FOOD AND I LOVE DINING.
AND I'VE TRIED TO BRING DINING, UM, TO SEDONA FOR 27 YEARS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT OF, OF BEING HERE, WHICH IS I LOVE THAT NANCY BROUGHT ME IN ON THE ART CONSOLE PORTION BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT DINING IS AN ART.
FOOD IS AN ART, FASHION IS AN ART, BUT MOSTLY HOSPITALITY IS AN ART.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
UH, COUNCIL, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LISA DOLL? UH, YES SIR.
UH, LISA, OUT OF ALL OF YOUR RESTAURANTS, WHICH ONE IS YOUR FAVORITE? OOH,
THIS, DO YOU KNOW ME WELL? NO.
I, MOST PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME KNOW I MAKE KNOW THAT I MAKE KNOW BONES ABOUT THE FACT THAT DOLL DELUCA'S MY FAVORITE.
AND THE REASON IS, FIRST, IT'S MY FIRSTBORN.
ALSO, IT IS WHAT I CALL THE SHRINE TO DO THE, TO THE DIVINE.
AND WE FEEL THAT WE WERE GUIDED TO SEDONA IN HONOR OF MY SON.
SO I FEEL THAT HE, HE, HE COMES AROUND THERE.
AND, UM, THREE, IT'S THE MOST IMPERFECT JEWEL OF THEM ALL BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY A SONIC BURGER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT NOT BE THE BIGGEST AND THE MOST GRAND, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S MOSTLY WHERE MY MANTRA LIVES.
WHEN YOU COOK WITH LOVE, YOU FEED THE SOUL.
SO I, I COULD LIST MORE REASONS WHY IT'S MY FAVORITE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT IT, THERE WOULD BE NO OTHERS.
AND I LOVE THEM ALL, DON'T GET ME WRONG, JUST LIKE WE ALL LOVE ALL OF OUR KIDS IN A FAMILY.
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THEM ALL FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.SOME ARE MORE NAUGHTY AND, UH, MORE, MORE, UH, DIFFICULT TO, UH, OPERATE, BUT THEY'RE ALL TREASURED.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE MY, MY GOAL STARTING WITH DALIN DELUCA WAS TO TRY TO BRING SOMETHING IN THE ITALIAN CUISINE THAT WOULD DRAW PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER.
AND JUST RECENTLY RANKING ARIZONA RANKED US IN THE TOP FOUR ITALIAN RESTAURANTS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M VERY PROUD OF THE MOTHERSHIP.
AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING OF COURSE, UH, YOUR CULINARY, UH, SKILLS AND AND PASSION WITH, UH, SEDONA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE DAIS? HOW ABOUT FROM THE PUBLIC? ANYBODY HERE? ANYBODY TAKE A FEW QUESTIONS? IF THERE'S ANY, ANY INTEREST? CAN YOU STAND UP AND SHARE YOUR QUESTION? JUST CURIOUS, YES.
AND MY PARTNER AT THE TIME WAS DELUCCA.
AND, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE GO BACK ALL THOSE 27 YEARS AND I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF A FUN LITTLE, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, LIKE A LITTLE, UH, JAB AT, AT DEAN IN DELUCA, WHICH, SO IT WAS MEANT TO BE A LITTLE TONGUE IN CHEEK, EVEN THOUGH WE WEREN'T A GOURMET DELI.
AND EVEN THOUGH HE IS NO LONGER MY PARTNER, I, I JUST FEEL IN RESPECT TO HIM TO KEEP HIS NAME IN THIS, ON THE SIGNAGE.
AND IN THAT IT'S, IT IS PART OF THAT REVERENCE FOR WHAT WE DID TOGETHER AND HOW WE GOT STARTED.
BOY, YOU, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU GUYS ARE VERY CURIOUS.
WELL, I'VE GOT A STATEMENT FIRST AND THEN A QUESTION.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, A STATEMENT IS, UH, MANY PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE YOU'RE ALSO ONE OF THE MOST GENEROUS RESTAURANT TOURS IN ALL OF OUR AREA.
NORTHERN ARIZONA, PROBABLY ALL ARIZONA.
UM, YOU ARE SO, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL YOU'RE NOT JUST SUCKING UP, I PROMISE YOU,
YOU'RE ALREADY SETTING ME UP FOR NEXT YEAR.
BUT I, YOU MAY
NOT ONLY TO FEED, TO FEED THE HUNGRY, BUT TO SUPPORT ALL OF US NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WITH ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS YOU DO.
GIVE US A PARTY OF FILM FESTIVAL.
YOU DONATE THE VIP LOUNGE, SHE FEEDS ALL OF OUR CELEBRITY GUESTS, UM, AT NO COST TO THE FILM FESTIVAL.
AND I JUST WANT TO COMMAND AND THANK YOU PUBLICLY FOR THAT.
CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT.
AND MY QUESTION IS, DEAR, WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INSPIRATION FROM YOUR DAY, DAY, DAY-TODAY, ACTIVITIES OR YOUR RESTAURANTS? WHERE, HOW DOES LISA DO GET INSPIRED? CAUSE YOU INSPIRE SO MANY OF US.
I THINK IT'S A RECIPROCAL, UM, SITUATION BECAUSE WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE BRINGING JOY ENTERTAINMENT AS GOOD A FOOD AS WE ARE CAPABLE TO PRODUCE AND, AND LASTING MEMORIES TO PEOPLE, TO THE GUEST, THEY ARE THE GUEST THAT IS WHO WE'RE WORKING FOR.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT SENSE OF, OF WHAT IT MEANS TO OTHERS, IT IS THE GIFT TO OURSELVES.
AND THAT IS THE ENERGY THAT CONTINUES TO INSPIRE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THESE DAYS THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY GUESTS, LET'S SAY, OR TOO MANY VISITORS TO SEDONA.
BUT WITHOUT THOSE VISITORS WE'RE, WE'RE NOTHING, YOU KNOW, AND WE ALL CAME HERE AS VISITORS AND WE FOUND OUR FIRST PLACE AND WE GOT RED ROCK FEVER AND, AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL SUFFERING.
ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE RESTAURANTS ARE REALLY SUFFERING, BUT RESTAURANTS GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHY I'M TRYING TO START THE NON-FOR-PROFIT.
AND I WANTED TO CORRECT ONLY ONE THING WITH YOU, NANCY.
IT IS NOT YET UP AND RUNNING ON THURSDAY.
I HAVE A MEETING WITH THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, WHICH I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO.
THE PRESIDENT IS ANN MARIE, UH, CHAVEZ.
AND I'M REALLY HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THE FOUNDATION AND HONOR MY SON OFF OF THE GROUND, SO TO SPEAK, SO THAT WE HAVE AN UMBRELLA.
WE, WE GIVE AND WE GIVE WHENEVER WE'RE ASKED WHEN WE CAN AFFORD TO.
BUT I WANT IT TO BE IN JUSTIN'S NAME.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED EVERYBODY, THAT IS, UH, A VERY LOFTY GOAL TO GET THAT GOING THIS YEAR.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY IS CURIOUS ABOUT? ALL RIGHT.
I WILL SAY THIS, WE EMPLOY RIGHT NOW ALMOST 350 OR A LITTLE BIT MORE IN OUR FAMILY MEMBERS.
AND, UM, THIS TIME OF YEAR, ALL THE KIDS
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OF THE PARENTS THAT WORK ALREADY IN THE RESTAURANTS BRING THEIR 16 YEAR OLDS AND SUCH AND WANT 'EM TO BE ABLE TO WORK AT A PIZZERIA OR BUS TABLES AND, AND BE FOOD RUNNERS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.SO IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF PRIDE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE HOPE IT'S NOT GONNA BE A DIFFICULT SUMMER, UH, BUT IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S LOOKING PRETTY SCARY OUT THERE.
SO SOME OF OUR RESTAURANTS ARE HAVING TO CLOSE A COUPLE DAYS A WEEK, AND IT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO SHRINK OUR LABOR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE BODIES THAT ARE COMING IN AND OF COURSE, AS HOT AS ANY.
BUT WE'RE HOPING FOR A GREAT FALL AND WE'RE HOPING TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE AND SUCCEED IN THIS BEAUTIFUL TOWN THAT WE CALL HOME.
COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON HAS A, HAS A QUESTION.
IT WOULD, IT SOUNDS FROM, FROM YOUR TALE OF, OF WHAT RESTAURANTS ARE GOING THROUGH THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY ANY RESIDENTS WHO APPRECIATE THE RESTAURANTS THAT WE HAVE HERE AND WHO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND LOCAL BUSINESS PEOPLE MAKE IT A POINT TO GO OUT DURING TIMES WHEN RESTAURANTS ARE, ARE STRUGGLING BECAUSE TOURISTS AREN'T COMING.
IF, IF WE AS RESIDENT CAN HELP PICK UP THE SLACK, IT WOULD BE DOING A GREAT SERVICE TO, TO OUR IMPRESSIVE RESTAURATEURS AND THEIR STAFFS WHO RELY ON, ON THAT JOB IN ORDER TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES.
SO THINK ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER NIGHT OUT TO ONE OF OUR RESTAURANTS, TO, UH, TO YOUR WEEKLY, TO YOUR WEEKLY SCHEDULE ENTERTAINMENT.
OH, TO THEIR WEEKLY ENTERTAINMENT.
ORDER, TAKE HOME SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
CAUSE WE WILL POST IN THE MIDWEEK.
AND THAT, THAT MEANS SO MUCH BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER IN SUCH A DIFFERENT PLACE THAN WHEN WE FIRST CAME HERE.
BUT IT WAS ALWAYS BEAUTIFUL AND THERE'S ALWAYS GREAT RESTAURANTS, BUT NOW THERE'S BEAUTIFUL, UM, GALLERIES AND BEAUTIFUL, UH, RETAIL AND INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESTAURANTS THESE DAYS.
BUT THANK YOU, UH, COUNCILOR FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE FAMILIES BEHIND WHAT WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO EMPLOY.
[3. CONSENT ITEMS]
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE STAFF, THE COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PULL ANY ITEM THAT THEY MAY WISH TO, UH, GET MORE INFORMATION ON.DO, DO I SEE ANYTHING FROM THE COUNCIL? OKAY, THEN CAN I HAVE A, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH E IT SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? JOANN? UNANIMOUS.
APPOINTMENTS TODAY WE HAVE NONE.
[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER]
OF CURRENT EVENTS BY THE STAFF, THE CITY MANAGER OR THE COUNCIL, ANYTHING? I HAVE ONE.THE SEDONA COMMUNITY POOL, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE INTERESTED.
I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR.
WE'RE ACTUALLY IN SEVERAL YEARS GOING TO HAVE A FULL SEASON AT THE POOL.
AND WE'RE SEEING MORE FAMILIES, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS.
WE ALSO HAVE INFANT SWIM LESSON CLASSES.
WE HAD 35 KIDS EACH SATURDAY, WHICH IS GREAT.
AND THAT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE LAST YEAR'S AVERAGE.
WE HAVE SWIM LESSONS, TWO WEEK SESSIONS, AND THEY'VE BEEN FULL IN EACH SESSION SO FAR.
AND WE HAVE PRIVATE LESSONS FOR YOUTH AND ADULTS AS WELL AS DURING OUR OPEN SWIM HOURS TO ACCOMMODATE THE SWIM LESSON DEMAND.
AND THEN WE HAVE GREAT CAMPS THIS SUMMER.
SACRED EAGLE ART CAMP SCULPTURES AND UPCYCLE ART SUMMER CAMP TOOK PLACE LAST WEEK AT THE HUB, AND I THINK THAT'S
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THE LAST OF WHAT WAS SIX WEEKS OF CAMPS.UH, WE HAVE ADULT SOFTBALL GAMES, YOUTH FOOTBALL WITH THE ARIZONA CARDINALS.
AND THAT'S, THAT IS EXCELLENT.
UH, OPEN GYM AND LOTS AND LOTS OF OTHER ACTIVITIES.
PICKLEBALL,
AND THAT'S IT FOR PARKS AND RECS.
HAD A GREAT SUMMER WITH, WITH LOTS OF THINGS TO DO FOR ADULTS, CHILDREN AND FAMILIES.
ANYTHING ELSE? MELISSA? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE SOMETHING.
NO, MINE'S FOR, UM, AT THE END.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT MEETING WILL BE HELD TOMORROW NIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK HERE.
IT WILL NOT BE A COUNCIL MEETING, BUT MA MANY OF US WILL BE HERE, HOPEFULLY, BUT NOT ON THE DAY, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST KICKOFF.
UH, WELL THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
IT'S GONNA BE THE KICKOFF OF OUR, UH, READY, SET, GO.
EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND REENTRY PLAN.
A LOT OF HARD WORK WAS GONE INTO, INTO PLACE TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
UH, THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY LIMITS SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A MAGNET, UH, REFRIGERATOR MAGNET WITH A CIRCLE.
UH, YOU'LL, IF YOU COME TO TOMORROW NIGHT, YOU'LL LEARN WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.
OR YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND LEARN ABOUT.
WE'D LIKE TO BE, UH, AWARE OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN SHOULD AN EMERGENCY EVER HAPPEN.
SO IF YOU CAN, UH, ALL COME TOMORROW NIGHT, SIX, UH, PM RIGHT HERE, I THINK YOU'LL REALLY ENJOY YOURSELF AND, YOU KNOW, REALIZE HOW MUCH WORK OUR POLICE, UH, HAVE, UH, GONE THROUGH TO MAKE US SAFE.
MADAM CLERK, DO YOU HAVE ANY CARDS? NO, EITHER.
SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM.
AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS, AND AWARDS.
[8.a. AB 2970 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding approval of the Tentative City Budget for Fiscal Year 2023-2024. ]
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT, AB 29 70 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE CITY BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20, 23, 24.SHERRY, SHERRY, SORRY, IT WAS AT THE END.
SO I NEED TO BACK UP TO GET TO THE BEGINNING.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
SO THIS IS OUR BUDGET CALENDAR FOR OUR FISCAL YEAR 2324 BUDGET PROCESS.
UM, WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE DOWN AT THE END.
SO WE'RE AT THE STEP FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE BUDGET TODAY.
AND ONE MORE STEP AFTER THIS FOR THE FINAL BUDGET ADOPTION.
BUT WE STARTED BACK IN JANUARY.
AND SO THIS HAS BEEN A LENGTHY PROCESS, AS IT ALWAYS IS TO PUT TOGETHER ALL OF THIS AND GO THROUGH ALL THE VARIOUS STEPS.
UM, I DO WANT TO EXTEND THANK YOUS AGAIN TO, UM, THOSE WHO HAVE HELPED US IN THE PROCESS.
UM, SO MICHELLE CONWAY AND CARRIE MEYER, UM, HELPED PROVIDE, UM, INSIGHTS REGARDING ASSUMPTIONS FOR OUR REVENUES.
UM, DEFINITELY WANNA THANK EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, WHO PARTICIPATED IN OUR BUDGET SURVEY.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A HIGHER LEVEL OF RESPONSE THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD SINCE WE STARTED DOING THE BUDGET SURVEY.
SO WE HAD HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN PROVIDING THEIR THOUGHTS.
AND OUR CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP, UM, WE HAD, UM, 10 MEMBERS OF THE GROUP AND IT WAS, UH, REALLY WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH THEM.
UM, AND THEY PROVIDED, UM, SOME, SOME GREAT THOUGHTS, UM, TO THE PROCESS THAT I THINK WILL IMPACT FUTURE BUDGETS AS WELL.
SO, UM, IN THE, UH, AGENDA BILL, I HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE WAS SOME ITEMS THAT, UM, UM, WERE NOT INCORPORATED IN YOUR PACKET FOR THE TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION.
THEY WERE LATE THINGS THAT CAME UP.
UM, I HAVE REVISED THESE SLIDES TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE FOR, UM, REVISING THEIR TENTATIVE, UH, BUDGET NUMBERS.
IT IS STILL THE SAME BUDGETED EXPENDITURES AT THE 85.8 MILLION.
UM, THERE WAS A POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENT THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED, UM, RELATED TO SOME OF THE PUBLICATIONS THAT, UM, ARE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED, UM, THAT DECIDED THAT, UM, WE STILL WANT TO CONTINUE THOSE, I BELIEVE.
AND SO, UM, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT
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IN TIME BECAUSE WE DID FIND A SOLUTION, UM, INTERNALLY THAT WE WILL JUST INTERNALLY DO A BUDGET TRANSFER.UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD FROM ROBERT YET, BUT THE TIMELINE ON GETTING OUR MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES IS DELAYED.
AND SO THE SAVINGS TO BE ABLE TO COVER THAT COST WILL COME FROM THERE.
SO, UM, THE, THE BUDGET IS BALANCED, UM, AND ACTUALLY WITH, UM, AN ESTIMATION OF A SURPLUS AT THE END OF 15.8 MILLION.
SO WE HAVE RESOURCES OF AVAILABLE OF 101 AND EXPENDITURES OF 85.8.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY BUDGETING AS MUCH AS WE COULD CUZ WE COULD BUDGET 101 AND STILL BE BALANCED.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THE REVENUES.
UM, SO THERE'S, UM, A VARIETY OF, OF INCREASES AND DECREASES DEPENDING UPON THE FUND WE ARE, UM, INCLUDING IN THE BUDGET.
UH, AN ASSUMPTION OF CONTINUED REDUCTION IN THE SALES AND BED TAX.
UM, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I AM NOT PREDICTING A RECESSION.
UM, I ONLY REPORT ON WHAT ECONOMISTS ARE SAYING AND TRY AND USE THAT AS SOME GUIDANCE ON, UM, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, HOW TO, TO PROJECT THOSE SALES AND BED TAX.
AND, UM, JUST BECAUSE THE BACK AND FORTH THAT THE ECONOMISTS HAVE HAD OF, IS THERE GONNA BE A RECESSION NEXT YEAR? IS THERE NOT GONNA BE A RECESSION NEXT YEAR? SO I THOUGHT THE BEST OPTION WAS TO BE CONSERVATIVE.
AND EVEN BEING CONSERVATIVE, WE WOULD HAVE OUR ESTIMATIONS THE 15.8 MILLION SURPLUS AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO IF REVENUES COME IN HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'VE ESTIMATED, THEN THAT JUST INCREASES HOW MUCH THAT SURPLUS AMOUNT WILL BE.
UM, HERE'S LOOKING AT BY THE, UM, TYPES, SO ON THE SALES AND BED TAX, UM, COMPARING BUDGET TO BUDGET.
UM, SO WE HAD PROJECTED, UM, WHAT SEEMED LIKE RELATIVELY MODEST INCREASES IN THE SALES AND BED TAX BACK WHEN WE WORKED ON THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT VERY, VERY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES.
UM, AND THEN IT STARTED TO BACK OFF AND COME DOWN.
SO, UM, SO COMPARING WHAT WAS CREATED FOR THE 23 BUDGET COMPARED TO THE FISCAL YEAR 24 TENTATIVE, IT'S A 17% DECREASE IN THE SALES TAX AND 22% DECREASE IN THE BED TAX.
UM, BUT YOU DO SEE SOME OTHER CATEGORIES WITH SOME, UH, MORE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES.
UM, SOME OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL, UM, STATE SHARED REVENUES HAVE, UM, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES SOME OF THE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES.
AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE I HAVE A SUMMARY OF THOSE CHANGES.
UM, SO URBAN REVENUE SHARING, WHICH IS THE STATE SHARED INCOME TAX IS OUR BIG ONE WITHIN THE, THE STATE SHARED REVENUES.
UM, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE INCREASES THAT THE STATE HAS EXPERIENCED IN INCOME TAX COLLECTIONS, WHICH WAS LEADING TO, UM, GOVERNOR DUCEY SAYING THAT HE WANTED TO LOWER, UM, THE INCOME TAX RATE AND, UH, BECAUSE OF HOW SIGNIFICANT THOSE WERE.
UM, WE ARE, UH, LOOKING AT A DECREASE IN OUR, OUR HF, WHICH IS THE STATE SHARE GAS TAX REVENUE THAT NEEDS TO GO TOWARDS ROADS.
UM, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN GRANTS, UM, ABOUT 1.5 MILLION THERE.
UM, AND, UM, INTEREST EARNINGS INCREASED, UM, BECAUSE OF THE RECOGNITION THAT WE DID IN THE PAST YEAR RELATED TO, UM, THE UNREALIZED LOSSES.
UM, SO WE HAVE AN INCREASE THERE OF A MILLION.
HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THE EXPENDITURES BY FUND.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ONGOING EXPENDITURES, UM, AT A 5%, UM, UH, INCREASE THERE, BUT A 30% DECREASE IN THE ONE TIME.
AND, UM, THAT IS A TYPO THERE DIDN'T GET THAT UPDATED.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY OVERALL A 19%, UM, DECREASE LOOKING AT THE EXPENDITURES BY TYPE.
UM, SO THE FIRST COLUMN HERE, SO THIS IS WHAT THE BUDGET AMOUNT WAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BASE AMOUNT HERE.
UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE ADJUSTMENT THERE.
SO REALLY FROM A BASE PERSPECTIVE, UM, LOOKING AT THE OPERATING BUDGET, IT WAS A 1% INCREASE BASE FROM BASE FROM 23 TO BASE.
UM, AND OVERALL WITH THE REDUCTIONS IN THE, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OF 21% REDUCTION, THE DECISION PACKAGES.
AND THEN THE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE WERE MADE DURING THE BUDGET WORK SESSION PROCESS, UM, ADDED 1.8 MILLION TO GET US TO THE 85, UH, 0.8 MILLION, UH, WHICH IS, UH, A DECREASE OF 19%.
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BENEFITS GOING FROM, UM, 18.9 MILLION TO 20,000,300.UM, SO THERE WAS, UM, DECISION PACKAGES WHICH ADDED 160 TH 160,000, UM, ADDITIONAL NEW POSITIONS ADDED THAT ARE BEING ADJUSTED FROM CONTINGENCY.
AND WE'LL GET TO THE CONTINGENCY SLIDE IN A, IN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, FOR THE, UM, TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES DEPARTMENT, UM, WAGE ADJUSTMENTS OF 4 62, HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE 140.
UM, WE DID DO, AGAIN, SO LAST FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, WE DID A 1,000,001 TIME ADDITIONAL PS P R S CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY.
UM, THAT WAS, UM, SET AT 1.2 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.
SO IT'S A $200,000 INCREASE OVER THE PRIOR YEAR.
UM, THIS IS A LISTING OF THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT WERE INCLUDED, UM, FOR THE SALARY OF BENEFITS.
SO, UM, TEMPORARY PLANNER GOING TO FULL-TIME, AND THAT'S JUST THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE FROM THE TEMPORARY COST TO THE FULL-TIME COST.
THE, UM, SECOND MOTOR OFFICER AND A TEMPORARY COURT CLERK, AND THEN A COUPLE GRANT FUNDED OVERTIME, UM, PROJECTS FOR POLICE, UH, IN THE OPERATIONS ACCOUNTS GOING FROM, UM, NOT QUITE 20 MILLION TO ABOUT 21 MILLION, UM, DECISION PACKAGES OF A MILLION, I HAVE A LIST OF THOSE, UM, INCREASES FOR THE SERVICE PROVIDER AGREEMENTS AT 466,000.
AND THEN, UM, THE, UH, CONTRACT FOR THE CHAMBER GOT REALLOCATED TO A CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT OF, UM, 1.6 MILLION.
UM, BUT THEN WE, FROM THAT TOURISM CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT, WE'RE ADDING, UM, INTO THE OPERATIONS COST, THE SUPPORT FOR THE VISITOR CENTER, UH, THE 4 54, UM, AND, UM, FEW OTHER ITEMS, SMALLER ITEMS THERE.
SO, UM, HERE'S THE LIST OF THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT ARE INCLUDED.
UM, SOME OF THE, UM, BIGGER ONES, THE CULTURAL PARK AREA MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY DOING A C CFA FOR THE CULTURAL PARK.
UM, THE TOURISM DATA COLLECTION PROJECT, UM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY BEING REALLOCATING PART OF THAT TOURISM CONTINGENCY TO COVER THAT, UM, SAFE PLACE TO PARK 400,000 THERE.
UM, SO THOSE, THE, THE LARGER ITEMS ON THE LIST, UH, AS FAR AS THE C I P ACCOUNTS GOING FROM 56 MILLION TO 33 MILLION.
UM, THE REALLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE HERE IS, UM, IN THIS CATEGORY THAT WE CALL, UM, PUBLIC WORKS.
THAT'S WHERE THE LAND ACQUISITION WAS FOR THE CULTURAL PARK.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE BIG DROP IN OUR C I P BUDGET.
UH, DEBT SERVICE ISN'T CHANGING A WHOLE LOT.
UM, AND JUST A CHANGE IN THE, UM, SERIES 2022 BOND PAYMENT.
THE FIRST FIRST PAYMENT THAT WE MAKE IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, AND THEN THE REMAINING PAYMENTS ARE, ARE MORE LEVEL AFTER THAT.
UM, ON THE CONTINGENCIES GOING FROM 2.5 MILLION TO 3.4.
UM, SO THE TOURISM INITIATIVES CONTINGENCY.
THE, THE FINAL NUMBER, UM, IN THE BUDGET AFTER ALL THE REALLOCATIONS OF ITEMS IS 637,000.
UM, THE, UM, ARPA CONTINGENCY, SO THAT'S GOING UP 435 AND THEN WE'RE ELIMINATING, WE HAD 250,000 IN THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET AS A CONTINGENCY TO POSSIBLY USE TOWARDS THE, UH, CHAMBER CONTRACT THAT WAS NOT USED.
HERE'S THE TOTALS ON THE CONTINGENCY.
SO WE HAVE THE, UM, GENERAL OPERATING CONTINGENCY, UM, IN GENERAL FUND AND WASTEWATER.
THE TOTAL ARPA CONTINGENCY, 1.8 MILLION, UM, 500,000 FOR JUST ANY OTHER GRANTS THAT MAY COME COME UP A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR JUDGMENTS.
AND THEN THAT TOURISM INITIATIVES OF THE 637,000, UM, ON, UH, THE TRANSFERS, UH, BETWEEN FUNDS.
SO, UM, A BIG PART OF THE TRANSFERS IS COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO OTHER FUNDS.
GENERAL FUND IS WHERE ALL OF, UM, OUR UNRESTRICTED SALES AND FED TAX DOLLARS GO.
AND THEN WE USE THOSE TO HELP SUPPORT, UM, OTHER FUNDS THAT, UM, UM, DON'T HAVE AN ADEQUATE FUNDING.
SO OUR HERF MONEY THAT WE GET FOR STREETS IS NEVER QUITE ENOUGH.
UM, SO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE MORE, UH, THE HOUSING FUNDS.
SO THIS INCLUDES, UM, TRANSFER TO COVER, UM, POTENTIAL LOANS.
SO WE HAD BUMPED THAT UP 12 MILLION DURING THE WORK SESSIONS.
SO FOR A TOTAL TRANSFER OF 14 MILLION, UH, SUPPORT FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WE DO TWO AND A HALF MILLION EVERY YEAR.
UM, THE SUPPORT TO THE TRANSIT FUND FOR THE COST RELATED TO THE VERDE SHUTTLE, UM, AND THEN THE SUBSIDY TO THE WASTEWATER FUND, THAT
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IS, UM, GRADUALLY COMING DOWN.THERE'S A COUPLE YEARS AFTER THIS THAT WILL BE LEFT, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE HALF CENT SALES TAX GOES.
THAT IS RESTRICTED TO TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
SO TRANSFERS TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND TO COVER THE CIP PROJECTS AND 3.1 MILLION TO COVER, UM, THE CIP PROJECTS AND OPERATIONS FOR TRANSIT.
UM, AND THEN COMING FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND TO THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE FUNDS, THAT WOULD BE A TRANSFER RELATED TO THE, UM, UH, BOND PROCEEDS THAT ARE RECORDED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FI IMPROVEMENTS FUND AS THOSE GET SPENT DOWN.
UH, HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS BY CATEGORY.
THEY'RE LISTED, UM, FROM HIGHEST TO LOWEST.
SO THE BIGGEST CATEGORIES ARE SEDONA AND MOTION AND WASTEWATER, PARKS AND REC, AND THEN ON DOWN FROM THERE, LOOKING AT BY FUNDING SOURCE.
UM, SO OUR UNRESTRICTED MONEY ARE CAPITAL RESERVES, SO, UM, WE'RE ESTIMATING SPENDING, UM, NOT QUITE 3.4 MILLION OF CAPITAL RESERVES AND THE REST COMES FROM RESTRICTED FUNDING.
SO THE DEBT FINANCING, UH, 15.5 MILLION THAT WOULD BE LEFT TO, TO SPEND, UM, WASTEWATER REVENUES, UM, AND THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE IN THE WASTEWATER FUND OF 5 MILLION TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX, UM, NOT QUITE 5 MILLION DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES FOR AND ON DOWN FROM THERE.
UM, SO THIS LIST REALLY HASN'T CHANGED MUCH FROM THE, UM, UM, WHAT WORK SESSIONS, UH, RELATED TO THE PRIORITIES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
UM, WE DID BUMP UP THIS NUMBER ON THE HOUSING FUND, UM, FOR THE BALANCE SHEET LOAN.
SO, UM, SO FOR THE, UM, AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS, UM, THERE'S BUDGETED 957,000 IN THE BUDGET AND THE 18.9 IS BALANCE SHEET LOAN.
SO IT'S NOT IN THE EXPENDITURES, IT'S NOT PART OF THE 85.8 MILLION TOTAL BUDGET.
UM, AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THOSE NUMBERS, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT PICKLEBALL COURTS A LITTLE BIT LATER TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S IN THE BUDGET, 1.5 MILLION.
AND, UM, THIS AGAIN IS THE BASELINE, UM, UH, LONG RANGE FORECAST FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, GENERAL FUND IS WHAT SUPPORTS SO MANY OF THOSE OTHER FUNDS.
SO THE HEALTH OF THE GENERAL FUND IS REALLY CRITICAL AND KEY TO THE HEALTH OF THE CITY.
AND SO FROM A BASELINE PERSPECTIVE, THE BLACK BAR FUND BALANCE COMPARED TO THE DOTTED BLACK LINE, WHICH IS THE RESERVE BALANCE REQUIRED, WE HAVE BLACK BARS ABOVE THAT AND IN LATER YEARS WELL ABOVE, SO WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN A GOOD, GOOD POSITION BASED OFF OF THAT BASELINE ASSUMPTION.
SO DURING THE BUDGET WORK SESSIONS, UM, THERE WERE ALLOCATIONS OF, UH, SURPLUS DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
THESE ARE THE ESTIMATED REMAINING SURPLUSES, UM, TO BE ALLOCATED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET PROCESS AND BEYOND.
SO, UM, ESTIMATING THAT THERE WOULD BE FISCAL YEAR 23 REMAINING 6.9 MILLION, AND THEN FISCAL YEAR 24, A 1.8 MILLION, UM, SURPLUS.
AND THEN OUR NEXT STEP AFTER THIS WILL BE THE FINAL BUDGET ADOPTION.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? NOPE.
WE HAVE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THE TENTATIVE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023.
OH, DO WE NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OH, THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.
SO, WE'LL, IF ANYBODY IN THE IN THE PUBLIC WE WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS, RAISE YOUR HAND NOW.
OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING, SEEING NONE.
SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND NOW, JESSICA, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE TENTATIVE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 23 24, AND THEREBY SET THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT FOR THE BUDGET AT 85,000,890 $819,620.
[8.b. AB 2967 Discussion/possible action regarding the Small Grant Evaluation Citizen Work Group recommendations for Fiscal Year 2024 Small Grants Program in the amount of $200,000. ]
HERE'S ANOTHER EXCITING ONE.UH, ITEM B EIGHT B IS AB 29 67.
DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE SMALL GRANT
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EVALUATION CITIZENS WORK GROUP, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024, SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, AND THE AMOUNT OF $200,000.AND WHO WILL BE PRESENTING FOR THIS? STEPHANIE, HOW EXCITING.
AND WE HAVE KAREN QUICKEN TO HELP AS A SUPPORT TEAM MEMBER.
OKAY, STEPHANIE, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THIS AND GIVING US ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HELP OUT THE NONPROFITS IN IN THE CITY.
UH, MY TEAM IS HERE, A PART OF MY TEAM.
I'D LIKE TO JUST HAVE THEM STAND, IF I WOULD.
THREE OUT OF THE, UH, JUST MISSING ONE MEMBER, MR.
THESE FOLKS BACK HERE HAVE BEEN, UH, WITH THE PROCESS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HAD THEM.
UH, I THINK RIGHT NOW, UH, YOU'VE RECEIVED THE, UH, THE SUMMARY SHEET THAT WE SENT OUT.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNSELORS? OH, I'M SEEING NONE SO FAR.
OH, VICE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, AT, AT SOME TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME, BUT BEFORE YOU LEAVE, WE TALKED DURING THE BUDGET HEARINGS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO INCREASE THE NUMBER FOR NEXT YEAR.
LIKE, LOVE TO HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK BECAUSE WHEN WE GOT THE, UH, PACKET, WE SAW THAT THERE WERE MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU WOULD'VE FUNDED AT A HIGHER LEVEL HAD THERE BEEN FUNDING AVAILABLE.
AND, UH, AND SO BEFORE WE GO INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD'VE INFORM US FOR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR WHAT YOU AND THE GROUP THINKS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT.
WELL, I CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND, UM, I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT DOES PAIN US NOT TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUT THESE ORGANIZATIONS MORE, UH, IN WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE THEY'VE BECOME SO GOOD AT, UH, CRAFTING THEIR PROGRAMS TO MEET THE CITY'S NEEDS AND TO PRESENTING THOSE PROGRAMS INTO CARRYING THEM OUT, THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE COULD GIVE THEM MORE AS FOR AN ADDITIONAL DOLLAR AMOUNT.
WE, UH, THE TOTAL THIS LAST GO AROUND I THINK WAS 300 AND 320, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
3 74, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD HAVE THREE 50, THAT, TO ME, MY GUT TELLS ME RIGHT NOW THAT THREE 50 WOULD, WOULD REALLY HELP US OUT TO, TO, UH, BE ABLE TO MAKE AN IMPACT, UH, FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND ALLOW THEM NOT ONLY TO JUST MEET THEIR MINIMUM LEVELS, BUT TO, UH, BE ABLE TO REALLY GROW THEIR PROGRAMS AND NOT ONLY HELP MORE OF THEIR TAR TARGET POPULATION, BUT POTENTIALLY IN A, IN EVEN A MORE IMPACTFUL WAY.
AND THANKS TO ALL THE WORK THAT YOU AND THE COMMITTEE DID, IT WAS A LOT OF WORK AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILOR PLUM.
SO, OKAY, SO WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
UH, DID YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE? NOT FOR ME, MAYOR.
YEAH, I DO WANNA THANK, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, VICE MAYORGA MYSELF ACTUALLY MET WITH STAFF TO, UH, REVIEW SOME OF THIS SO WE COULD ASK SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN ADVANCE.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT JUST THAT THAT BE SAID OUT THERE ON THE RECORD.
SO IT'S JUST LIKE, THIS ISN'T GOING THROUGH WITHOUT A REVIEW.
SO I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT, UM, AND I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY, UH, UP HERE REVIEWS IT AS WELL.
AND THESE ARE SUCH DESERVING ALL ORGANIZATIONS, UM, AND THE CITY COULDN'T BE THE CITY THAT IT IS WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT PARTNERING WITH THESE NONPROFITS FOR THESE SERVICES.
AND THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT PROCESS.
SO THANK YOU TO YOUR TEAM FOR THAT REVIEW AND THE, AND THE GUIDANCE THAT YOU GIVE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THERE WAS, IT DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS BEFOREHAND, SO THEY'VE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED, AND I JUST APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU, UH, COUNSELOR, AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
ALSO, THE FACT THAT WE'VE ADDED THAT LAYER TO, UH, THE PROCESS TO ALLOW YOU COUNSELORS TO WORK WITH STAFF IN ADVANCE.
COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT IN ADDITION TO THE VICE MAYOR AND, AND COUNCILOR KINSELLA, I THINK EVERYBODY MET, ALL OF US MET BEFOREHAND WITH STAFF, AND WE ALL HAD QUESTIONS AND WE ALL HAD OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT THAT, THAT Y'ALL MADE TO
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THANK YOU.AND EXCUSE ME ONCE AGAIN, STEPHANIE, I WANNA THANK YOU.
I THANK YOU EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU AT THE HELM TAKING ALL THESE GRANT, EXCUSE ME, APPLICATIONS.
I, I PERSONALLY SO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO AND AS WELL AS YOUR TEAM.
WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND LIKE, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA SAID, WE ALL MET WITH CITY STAFF AND WE DISCUSSED IT, BUT WE ALSO HAD A LOT TO READ.
AND THIS IS A VERY TOUGH ISSUE SOMETIMES, BUT YOU HAVE SOME GREAT APPLICATIONS, SOME, YOU KNOW, REALLY VERY DESERVING, UH, ORGANIZATIONS.
AND I JUST WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
OKAY, SO, UH, ARE THERE ANY, UH, CARDS FOR THIS? NO, NO.
WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC FORUM, UH, PUB PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, IF ANYONE WISHES TO, UH, SAY A FEW WORDS OR NOT, UH, THIS IS THE TIME.
JUST RAISE YOUR HAND NOW SEEING OKAY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD, UH, AT AFTER YOU'RE DONE SPEAKING AND SURE.
YOU READY WITH THE LIGHTS? OKAY.
SO START WITH YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THANK YOU.
UM, THE ONLY THING I, I, FIRST OF ALL, I TOTALLY SUPPORT INCREASING THE FUNDING, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, IT'D BE AWFULLY GREAT IF YOU PREPARED A SUMMARY OF WHO IS GETTING WHAT AND MAYBE PUT THAT UP ON THE WALL SO WE COULD SEE IT.
IT'S IN THE PACKAGE FOR EVERYBODY TO READ, BUT, UH, YES, THE CARDS ARE RIGHT ON, ON THE TABLE.
AND TURN IT INTO THE CITY CLERK.
WE WILL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND DO I HAVE A MOTION? VICE MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SMALL GRANT EVALUATION CITIZEN WORK GROUP GRANT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $200,000 AS ITEMIZED IN AGENDA BILL 29 67 AND EXHIBIT A SECOND.
SECONDED BY COUNCILOR KINSELLA.
WHAT'S BROKEN? NOTHING RIGHT NOW.
[8.c. AB 2963 Discussion/possible action regarding the site selection for new pickleball courts at Posse Grounds Park]
ALL RIGHT.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A SITE SELECTION FOR NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK.
AND I'M GONNA LEAVE OUT, SANDY, YOU'RE GONNA KICK OFF.
UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UM, OUR TEAM HERE.
UM, TONIGHT WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST APPROVAL OF LOCATION C AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION.
I'M ASSISTANT, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER, AND LARRY FIRE HAT, FACILITIES MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR.
AND I'M JASON VARGO, THE RECREATION COORDINATOR.
SO PICKLEBALL, IT SEEMS TO BE AN ITEM FOR TONIGHT.
UM, THIS IS A FAST GROWING SPORT, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
AND CURRENTLY, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE CURRENT TENNIS COURTS RIGHT HERE ARE IN POSSE GROUNDS.
SO HERE ARE THE, UM, SOME OF THE LOCATIONS THAT STAFF HAD SENT OUT TO THE HOAS AND TO THE PUBLIC.
SO LOCATION A IS, UH, LOCATED ON THE CITY OR THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL PROPERTY.
LOCATION B HERE IS JUST NORTH OF THE HUB.
LOCATION C IS SOMEWHERE LOCATED ON THIS NORTH FIELD.
UH, LOCATION D WAS POTENTIALLY SOUTH OF THE TENNIS COURTS.
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AND THEN LOCATION E WOULD BE POTENTIALLY DOWN HERE.SO CURRENTLY PICKLEBALL SHARES THE TENNIS COURTS, UM, ON MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS FROM 8:00 AM TO 10, 10:00 AM AND ALSO 6:00 PM TO 8:00 PM THERE'S ABOUT 300 LOCAL MEMBERS OF THE PICKLEBALL GROUP.
AND THERE'S, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT APPROXIMATELY 30, UH, PEOPLE ATTEND EACH OF THOSE SESSIONS, SO POTENTIALLY 60 PEOPLE EACH OF THOSE DAYS.
SO DEDICATED COURTS ARE NEEDED.
BUT I WILL ADD, UM, YOU SEE THE LOCATION OF THE TENNIS COURTS, UM, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S BEEN NO SOUND COMPLAINTS TO DATE WHEN THERE HAS BEEN PICKLEBALL PLAYED.
SO LOCATION A IS NO LONGER AN OPTION.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT INITIALLY THE SCHOOL WAS INTERESTED IN, UM, PARTICIPATING WITH US, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, SO THAT'S NO LONGER AN OPTION.
YOU'LL SEE THAT SOME OF THE, UM, HOAS HAD SELECTED THAT AS THEIR, UH, PREFERRED LOCATION.
BUT, UM, WE FOUND OUT AFTER WE HAD REQUESTED THAT INPUT.
AND I DO WANNA ADD THAT, UM, LARRY AND I WENT DOOR TO DOOR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM SAN JUAN COURT DOWN HERE, ALL THE WAY UP TO BROKEN ARROW AND ZANE GRAY ABOUT ALL THE HOMES THAT BACK ON THE PARK.
AND ALSO, UH, ONE TO TWO, TWO HOMES DEEP, APPROXIMATELY 34 RESIDENTS.
AND, UM, OF THE 11 PEOPLE THAT WE TALK TO, I'LL SAY 50% ARE THRILLED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AT POSSE GROUND PARK, SO VERY MUCH SO.
UM, WHAT'S THAT? I SAID VERY MUCH SO.
SO IT WAS, IT'S A, IT'S GOOD TO GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND HEAR COMPLIMENTS,
SO HERE'S THE RESULTS OF OUR OUTREACH.
UM, SO SEDONA HEIGHTS AND NORTHERN SHADOWS, CASA CONTA, UH, SAN PATRICIO, UM, ARE THE FOUR THAT WE GOT SOME, UH, COMMENTS BACK.
AND THEN, UH, THE RESULTS OF OUR EMAIL AND OUTREACH.
I HAD MENTIONED 34, UM, HOMES VISITED.
WE ALSO SENT EMAILS TO ALL THE EMAILS THAT WE HAD ADDRESSES FOR THROUGH OUR SEWER, UH, BILLING.
AND THEN WE ALSO SENT LETTERS TO 13 HOMES TO OWNERS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY.
AND SO WE ONLY GOT 12 RESPONSES SO FAR, UM, TO OUR EMAILS.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A LITTLE BIT SCATTERED.
SO THIS IS STANDING NORTH OF THE BALL FIELD LOOKING SOUTH.
UM, WHAT WE ENVISION, UM, AND SOME OF THE PLUSES OF THIS LOCATION IS YOU CAN SEE HOW FLAT IT IS.
UM, THE PARKING OR THE COURTS COULD BE PLACED OVER THE INFIELD TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THE GRASS.
SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE SAW FROM THE EMAIL COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED IS A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY TREASURE THE GRASS.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S ALSO A WATER CONCERN, UM, TO OTHER RESIDENTS AND TO THE COUNCIL.
WE SEE SAVINGS, SOME OF THE GRASS FOR OTHER USES.
WE DON'T SEE, UM, RIGHT NOW IMPACTING THOSE MATURE TREES.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING CONCESSION STAND DOWN HERE THAT NEEDS SOME WORK.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PLANNED CURRENTLY.
THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE PROJECT.
WE'VE GOT IT SLATED FOR F Y 25, 26.
THERE IS SEWER OUT IN THE ROADWAY ADJACENT, SO, UM, THAT MAKES THIS SITE HAVE A LOT OF PLUSES IN ADDITION TO THE, THE LIGHTS.
SO, UM, THIS TOUCHES ON, UH, UNFORTUNATELY JOSH, OUR NEW PARKS AND REC MANAGER WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE.
WE'VE GOT JASON TO HELP US OUT, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF HIS COMMENTS.
UM, SO THIS HAS PARKS AND REC'S SUPPORT.
UM, WHAT THEY'RE FINDING IS THAT THE NEED FOR TWO BALL FIELDS DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.
WE FEEL LIKE, UH, BY UTILIZING THIS FIELD FOR PICKLEBALL AND THE GRASS AREA MAKES IT, UM, A HIGHER USE, UM, A BETTER USE OF THIS AREA.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND TOUCH ON EVERYTHING.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LITTLE POINTS.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF WORK ON THIS.
UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO SHOW, UM, THIS IS REALLY NEAT BECAUSE, UH, AND JOSH'S INTERVIEW WITH US FOR THAT POSITION, HE TALKED ABOUT
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TECH BALL, WHICH IS A NEW SPORT, AND I'D HAD NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE.THEY'VE GOT A GRANT, AND THAT GRASS AREA COULD DEFINITELY BE USED FOR THAT.
UM, FROM NATIONAL PARKS AND RECREATION PONG,
SO THIS IS ANOTHER SLIDE FROM HIS PRESENTATION FOR THAT POSITION.
HE'S WELL, WELL SERVED FOR THAT POSITION.
UM, AND DON'T LOCK IN ON THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT.
SO THESE ARE ALL JUST CONCEPTS AND THOUGHTS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE A VISUAL.
UM, THE INTENT IS TO SHOW THAT THE EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT WE'RE, UM, PROPOSING WOULD BE NORTH SOUTH ORIENTED.
THERE'S ROOM TO PUT THE PARKING OFF THE STREET AND POSSIBLY UTILIZE THE FIELD, NOT IMPACT THE TREES, AND, AND SHOW THAT, UH, THAT GREEN SPACE COULD BE USED FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
I DO WANNA TOUCH ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, UM, ENVISIONED FOR THIS PROJECT IS WE'RE INCLUDING BENCHES, DRINKING WATER, BOTTLE REFILL, STATIONS, OF COURSE, CHAIN LINK FENCE, SPORT COURT LIGHTING WITH THE TIMER, TRASH CANS, PARKING.
THAT WILL BE ALSO PROVIDE ADA.
UH, AND THE PARKING THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE POSSE GROUNDS, UH, NEW PARKING LOT WHERE WE'VE PUT ONLY PAVED THE AISLE AND HAD DG FOR THE STALLS TO MINIMIZE THE, UH, PAVED AREA AND HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, RESTROOMS ARE PLANNED FOR A LATER, UM, FISCAL YEAR.
AND SHADE IS ALSO ON OUR RADAR FOR THIS.
SO I INCLUDED THIS, UM, SLIDE BECAUSE ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT PICKLEBALL IS NOISE.
AND, UM, STAFF HAS DONE SOME RESEARCH AND, AND WE WERE HELPED OUT WITH, UH, OUR INTERACTIONS.
AND, UH, WITH THE PICKLEBALL GROUP, I'VE GOT A STUDY, UM, FROM 2021 THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, HOW TO MITIGATE, UH, NOISE.
AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT YOU SEE THE TENNIS COURTS RIGHT HERE.
IF WE, WITH THE PREFERRED LOCATION OF C IT'S ACTUALLY, THESE ARE TWO FOOT CONTOURS AND IT'S ACTUALLY 10 FEET LOWER THAN THE TENNIS COURTS.
AND SO THAT BERM EFFECT THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE WILL HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THAT NOISE TO THE RESIDENTS OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE.
UM, AND IF WE PUT THE QUARTS OVER HERE, THE COURTS WILL ACTUAL ACTUALLY BE MORE THAN 4,400 FEET FROM THE NEAREST HOME.
AND ACCORDING TO THIS STUDY, THAT IF YOU'RE 400 FEET AWAY, THAT LOWERS THE SOUND TO A NORMAL, UH, CONVERSATION, CONVERSATION LEVEL OF 58 DECIBELS.
SO, UM, WE'D ALSO INTEND, UH, WITH THIS DESIGN PHASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO IS TO DO A SOUND STUDY.
WE'RE AWARE OF CURTAINS AND SOME OTHER, UM, THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE NOISE, BUT WE WANNA TAKE SOME BEFORE, UM, MEASUREMENTS AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S, WHAT THE CURRENT CONDITION IS.
UM, SO THAT WAY WE'VE GOT A BASELINE.
SO THERE WAS A STUDY, A MASTER PLAN FOR THE POSSE GROUNDS PARK THAT STARTED UP IN, UH, 2020, THAT THAT STUDY WASN'T COMPLETED, BUT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH WITH STAKEHOLDERS, CHARETTES AND, UH, SURVEYS.
AND THE, THAT EFFORT DID SHOW THAT THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION, LOCATION C IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR PICKLEBALL.
AND THEN, UH, STAFF DID ADDITIONAL OUTREACH THIS YEAR, SPRING, SUMMER.
UM, IF GIVEN THE GO AHEAD ON LOCATION C, WE ANTICIPATE GIVING NOTICE TO PROCEED TO THE ENGINEER.
THE ENGINEER HAS EXPERIENCED DOING PICKLEBALL COURTS, THEY'VE DONE OTHER PROJECTS, SO THEY'RE EXPERIENCED.
SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT 10 WEEKS, UH, TO HAVE A SET OF PLANS FROM NOTICE TO PROCEED, AND WE'RE HOPING TO START CONSTRUCTION IN SPRING.
SO THIS IS A, A BIT OF A LONG LIST, BUT I WANTED TO INCLUDE SOME OF OUR, UM, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHY LOCATION C IS A GOOD LOCATION.
UM, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM HAD POINTED TO B, BUT WE CAN, UM, I'M SORRY, I JUST, WE JUST SLAPPED THESE ON.
THE PICKLEBALL COURTS COULD BE LOCATED OVER HERE, WHICH IS NOT FAR FROM BEE.
AGAIN, UH, THE LOCATION IS CENTRAL TO THE PARK, WHICH IS A GOOD LOCATION.
SO THAT WAY IT'S E YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE, NOT CLOSE TO EITHER SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE,
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VERY CLOSE TO BEE, CLOSE TO EXISTING.UM, THE EXISTING LOCATION WHERE PICKLEBALL IS CURRENTLY BEING PLAYED WITH NO SOUND COMPLAINTS, UM, MORE THAN 350, ALMOST 400 MORE THAN 400 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENCE.
UH, NATURAL SOUND ATTENUATION, UH, AVAILABILITY OF UTILITIES, MAINTAIN THE GREEN SPACE, UH, BUT ALSO REDUCE IT SOME, UM, IT'S RELATIVELY FLAT, NO IMPACT TO TREES.
AND OUR, OUR PLAN FOR THE PARKING.
SO WE WORKED HARD, BUT THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T KNOW.
SO I APPRECIATE THEM BEING HERE.
I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR NOW, AND COUNCIL SELLA.
UM, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE REALLY MOVING AHEAD WITH THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR A LONG TIME AGO, SO THIS IS GREAT.
BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LOCATIONS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY A IS OFF THE TABLE, WE KNOW THAT, UM, D I UNDERSTAND AND E, BUT I'M, I WANNA UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY B CAME IN, UH, AS A SECOND CHOICE.
I MEAN, I'VE GOT ALL OF THE REASONS LISTED FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR C, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY B DIDN'T MAKE THE GRADE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN I HAVE SOME MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
YEAH, SO SITE B, UH, THAT IT WAS DESIRABLE, BUT THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH SITE B IS THAT WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF UTILITY RUNNING, RIGHT? WHERE WE WOULD PLACE THE CORDS.
SO OFF OF CARRUTH, YOU HAVE THE WATER SUPPLY FOR THE HUB, ALONG WITH THE WATER, THE FIRE SUPPRESSION, WATER, UM, THE APS, ELECTRICAL LINES.
AND THERE I BELIEVE IS SOME GAS LOCATED THERE.
SO IF YOU WERE TO BUILD THE COURT THERE AND HAD A LEAK IN, SAY THE FIRE LINE OR, UH, THE POTABLE WATER FOR THE HUB, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT RIPPING THOSE COURTS UP.
AND IT'S, IT'S POST TENSION, UH, QUART SURFACE.
SO IF YOU DID HAVE TO CUT INTO THE COURT, IT WOULD BE A TOTAL LOSS.
YOU'D HAVE TO REDO THE WHOLE COURT.
THAT'S, I GOT A COUPLE MORE THINGS TO ADD.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT GRADE DIFFERENCE AND IT'S A DRAINAGE CHANNEL, AND ALSO WE WOULD BE WIPING OUT ALL THOSE TREES.
IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT FILL AND RETAINING WALLS.
WE ALSO JUST PUT IN EV STATIONS NORTH OF THE HUB, SO WE'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS AND THE AVAILABILITY OF ADJACENT PARKING AND, AND CLOSENESS TO REST RESTROOMS. ALL THAT IS, UH, NOT CONDUCIVE COMPARED TO, SEE THAT'S PRETTY COMPELLING.
FURTHER, UM, NO, YOU COVERED IT ALL.
I ALSO, THE, THE PRESENTATION SPOKE VERY WELL TO THE DECREASED NEED FOR THE RECREATIONAL SPACE IN TERMS OF BEING AN ACTUAL BALL FIELD.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE IMPACT ON OTHER USES SUCH AS FESTIVALS THAT USE THAT SPACE? SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT COUNSELOR.
UM, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY DEGREE OF ACTIVITY THAT COULDN'T BE MOVED DOWN TO A LOWER FIELD AND JUST BASICALLY SHIFTED.
UM, THERE'S NO MAJOR SIGNIFICANCE TO THAT SPACE.
UH, THAT A, THAT A FESTIVAL THAT OCCURS AT THE, AT THE, UH, PARK IS ABSOLUTELY DEPENDENT ON, I, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOME OF OUR LARGER FESTIVALS AND, AND I THINK WINE FEST COMES TO MIND AND ALSO THE BIKE FEST, WHICH I THINK IS EVEN FAR LARGER.
SO HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD THEY, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THE NEW SPACE OF, OF THE, OF THE PICKLEBALL COURT, OR WOULD THAT JUST BE DETRACTED FROM SPACE THAT THEY USE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY'RE USING EVERY SQUARE INCH UP THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE NON IMPACTFUL TO THE WINE FEST.
UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING THE WINE FEST FROM THAT FIELD, UH, TO THE LOWER MULTI-USE FIELD, SO THAT THAT WILL BE A NON-ISSUE.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE USE OF THAT FIELD FOR PARKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE ONLY ACTUAL EVENT THAT UTILIZES THAT, UH, THAT SPACE FOR PARKING IS THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL.
THEY DO, YOU UTIL UTILIZE THE EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE POSSE GROUNDS.
WITH THAT SAID, WE HAVE ANOTHER LARGE SCALE FESTIVAL THAT'S GOING TO BE GIVEN A CHANCE THIS LATER THIS FALL, WHO HAS PRESENTED A PARKING PLAN THAT HAS ALLOWED FOR OVER 500 SUPPLEMENTAL OFFSITE PARKING SPACES THAT SEEMS UPON REVIEW TO BE A PERFECTLY SUITABLE OPTION FOR, FOR ANY FESTIVAL OF THAT SIZE.
HAS THAT BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THE FESTIVALS THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE A NEW PARKING PLAN THAT MIGHT ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE? WELL, THE PARKING PLAN THAT I JUST STATED WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED UPON REQUEST FOR THE NEW, THE NEW, A NEW, A NEW ONE, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE AND THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN HAD FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, THAT CHANGES ARE POTENTIALLY ON THE WAY THAT COULD IMPACT PARKING AND
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USAGE.KATHY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE, GO AHEAD.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOMEONE PRESENTED YOU WITH A PLAN AND, AND THEIR OPTIONS IN THAT PLAN FOR 500 CARS THAT ARE PARKED OFFSITE? THAT'S CORRECT.
IN A SHUTTLE SYSTEM THAT WOULD BRING THEM IN.
SO IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE POTENTIALLY THAN BEING ABLE TO PARK ON THE FIELD, CUZ YOU NEED A SHUTTLE.
UH, IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S ARGUABLE.
IT'S ALSO, UH, HIGHLY POTENTIAL THAT THE FIELD IS DAMAGED BY PEOPLE DRIVING ON IT.
UH, AND WE HAVE CHARGED YEAH, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THE PAST FOR REPAIRS.
AND, AND SO DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THE, THIS PLAN INCLUDES PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT WOULD ONLY BE AVAILABLE TO THIS FESTIVAL OR, I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE LOCATIONS ARE CONSIDERED PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THEY'VE BEEN USED IN, IN THE PAST BY MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS AND OUTREACH WAS MADE AND AGREED UPON.
YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF IT MAY HAVE BEEN PAID FOR, SOME OF IT MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, JUST OFFERED.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN COST INVOLVED.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE I WASN'T, I WASN'T DONE.
KAREN, WHAT'S TO RESPOND IF YOU DON'T MIND, VICE MAYOR? NO.
SO I, I DO BELIEVE THAT IN, IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, I'M NOT SURE THERE ARE ANY SIGNATURE, LARGER SIGNATURE EVENTS THAT ARE COMPLETELY ACCOMMODATED WITH ONSITE PARKING AT POSSE GROUNDS.
NO, THEY HAVE ALL HAD TO TRANSITION AT LEAST SOME PORTION OF THEIR PARKING TO OFFSITE AND THE USE OF SHUTTLES BECAUSE THE PARK HAS GROWN.
OTHER THINGS HAVE, HAVE NEEDED TO BE ACCOMMODATED AND WE, WE JUST WEREN'T IN A POSITION AT THE PARK TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL THE PARKING THERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED TO BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF NOW WE'LL BE ELIMINATING THE FIELD, WHICH AGAIN, HAS CAUSED SIGNIFICANT ISSUES TO THE FIELD.
IT'S NOT IDEAL TO HAVE PARKING TO HAVE VEHICLES ON THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
UM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO REPLACE SOME PARKING IN THIS LOCATION, UM, BUT IT'LL JUST BE A SMALLER PORTION THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO ADD TO THEIR OFF ALREADY OFFSITE PARKING.
THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
IN THE RENDERING, THAT WAS, THAT WAS PUT UP.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S NOT DESIGNED, IT'S JUST POTENTIAL CONCEPT.
HOW MANY SPACES WERE REFLECTED IN THAT, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY? I THINK WE'RE ABOUT 50.
NOW WE FOUND THAT INTERESTING, THE CIRCULAR DESIGN THAT WAY.
YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF PARKING ACTUALLY.
THAT'S A LOT OF PARKING IN THAT.
HOW WOULD THAT COMPARE TO PARKING THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE FIELDS NOW? DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY? I'VE SEEN PHOTO, I'VE SEEN DOCUMENTS THAT STATE HOW MANY THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN PARK ON THE FIELD.
I, I DOUBT THEM TO SOME DEGREE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, THEY SAY THAT THEY CAN PARK UPWARDS TOWARDS 200 ON THE FIELD.
UM, MY GUESS WOULD BE IT'S CLOSER TO 100 TO 120.
AND, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IN THE, I SAW IN THE, UM, IN THE LIST WITH, IN THE CONTRACT THAT SHADE STRUCTURES WERE A PART OF IT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT SHADE IN THE DESIGN DESIGN FOR SHADE STRUCTURES OVER WHAT PORTION? OVER LIKE A, A TABLE AREA WHERE SOMEBODY WOULD LEAD THEIR WATER OR HE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BIGGER.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE CONCEPT FOR SHADE STRUCTURE? THE BENCH AREA WHERE PEOPLE WOULD SIT WHEN THEY'RE WAITING FOR A COURT.
SO IT WOULD BE, AND THAT'LL BE PART OF THE DESIGN.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ANTICIPATED.
AND ALSO YOU SPOKE THE PRESENTATION, GAVE SOME GREAT NUMBERS OF THE USAGE.
I'M STOKED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE USING THE PARKS.
I LIVE RIGHT UP THERE TOO, AND I JUST LOVE POSSE GROUNDS PARK, AND I LOVE ALL THE DIVERSITY OF USES THAT ARE THERE, BUT WITH THIS MUCH POTENTIAL, UM, WITH THE USE THAT IT'S GETTING AND THE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED USE.
WHAT ABOUT ADDITIONAL BATHROOM SPOTS? THAT'S WHAT, UM, TO THE SOUTH IS THE CONCESSION STANDS AND I DON'T BELIEVE, ARE THOSE BATHROOMS OPEN NOW? YES.
THOSE, THOSE FACILITIES ARE IN USE.
UM, SO THEY ARE PENCILED IN IN 25, 26.
THOSE ARE THE, SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU SAID IN C THE ONES NOT THE CONCESSION STAND DOWN BY THE, IS IT THE SAME CONCESSION CENTER OR AM I MISSING A CONCESSION STAND IN MY MIND RIGHT HERE.
SO IT'S THE, IT'S THE EXISTING, OKAY.
I THINK THEN THAT PROBABLY ANSWERS ALL MY QUESTIONS.
MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED.
VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.
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YOU MENTIONED, UM, LIGHTS.YOU'RE GONNA USE THE EXISTING BALL LIGHTS FOR PICKLEBALL.
SO THE HOURS WILL BE, UH, SHOT UP TO SUN DOWN AS WE HAVE LIKE, THE REST OF THE PARK.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING.
AND THAT THE SUNSET PARK IS A DAY YOU ONLY PARK, BUT, UH, POSSE GROUNDS IS TECHNICALLY OPEN FROM 5:00 AM TILL 10:00 PM OKAY.
I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE LIGHTS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVER THE BALLFIELD LIGHTS.
UH, IT IS A DARK SKY CITY, SO AS MUCH AS I LOVE PICKLE, I USED TO PLAY IT, BUT I, NOT ANYMORE, BUT I LOVE PICKLEBALL.
I HAVING THE LIGHTS ON JUST INDISCRIMINATELY.
IF, IF A GROUP OF PEOPLE WANNA COME OUT AND PLAY, IT'S NOT SCHEDULED.
THEY COULD DO THAT DURING THE DAYTIME.
IF IT'S AVAILABLE, THEY COULD PLAY THERE.
BUT AT NIGHTTIME ARE THE LIGHTS JUST GONNA BE ON? HOW DO THOSE WORK? WE'RE ANTICIPATING A TIMER.
SO THAT WAY THEY WOULD HAVE TO TURN THE TIMER ON AND THEN IT WOULD SHUT OFF AFTER A BIT.
SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T STAY ON.
UH, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING SPACE.
I LOVE THE DESIGN FOR THAT PARKING LOT.
I WAS REALLY CONCERNED, I TALKED WITH THE CITY MANAGER EAR EARLIER ABOUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES POSSIBLY, UH, AND TO HEAR ABOUT 50 AND IT'S SUCH A NICE DESIGN, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS CUTE.
UH, UM, I TOO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING ON THE BALL FIELD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT, FOR ANY EVENT WHERE THEY WENT OUT THERE, IT RAINED OR WHATEVER THE DAY BEFORE, AND THERE'S DAMAGE ON, WHAT WOULD IT NORMALLY HAVE CAUSED FROM PAST EXPERIENCE TO RECEDE OR REPAIR? THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DAMAGE DONE TO THE FIELDS.
UM, THE MOST I'VE EVER BEEN AWARE OF, AND, AND THIS IS IN ONLY TWO YEARS OF, OF CYCLES OF FESTIVALS, UM, I THINK THE LARGEST AMOUNT I SAW CHARGED AFTER SOME REALLY INTENSE WEATHER AND DRIVING ON THE FIELDS WAS ALMOST $3,500.
AND WE, WE HANDLED THOSE REPAIRS IN HOUSE.
IF WE WOULD HAVE CONTRACTED THEM OUT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN UPWARDS TOWARDS $10,000.
DO OTHER, UH, COMMUNITIES ALLOW PARKING ON THEIR FIELDS, THEIR BALL FIELDS? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
I JUST DON IF, CUZ I, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU DO IT REALLY WELL.
I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU'D HAVE SOME ANECDOTAL INFORMATION.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BALL FIELDS SPECIFICALLY ARE DESIGNED TO, YOU KNOW, BE SOFT AND QUIETT IN FOR SPORTS.
UH, CERTAINLY NOT IDEAL FOR PARKING.
THAT ANSWERS ALL MY QUESTIONS.
UH, MELISSA, SO THE LIGHT GOT MENTIONED ON A TIMER, UM, IMMEDIATELY COMES TO MY MIND.
TEENAGERS, TWEENS HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO.
THEY WANDER OUT ONTO THE PARK AT NIGHT AND TURN ON THE LIGHTS WITH A TIMER.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO PREVENT THIS SORT OF NON-USE, USE USE? SO THE IDEA WITH THE TIMER IS IT WOULD BE RESTRICTED FROM SAY 5:00 AM UNTIL 10:00 PM AFTER THAT, IF THEY WERE TO TRY TO TURN THE TIMER ON EITHER AFTER 10:00 PM OR PRIOR TO 5:00 AM IT WOULD JUST NOT RESPOND.
IT WOULD BE LOCKED OUT, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT DURING THE WINTER, THERE'S MAYBE PERHAPS FEWER PEOPLE PLAYING DURING THOSE HOURS.
IF THOSE HOURS ARE STILL AVAILABLE, IT DOESN'T PREVENT ANYONE FROM GOING AND TURNING THOSE LIGHTS ON.
LIKE, THE OTHER LIGHTS ARE SCHEDULED, I HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING SCHEDULED.
IS MY UNDERSTANDING IN THE FIELD IN ORDER TO TURN THE STADIUM LIGHTS, IF NOW I CAN JUST TURN THEM ON WHENEVER, IS THAT NOT GONNA PRESENT A POTENTIAL PROBLEM? WELL, WE'LL WE HAVE A, UM, A PART OF THE CONTRACT IS AN ELECTRIC, UM, DESIGNER.
AND SO WE'RE CERTAIN TO LOOK INTO WHAT THE LATEST GREATEST, CUZ I'M SURE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF DARK SKY COMMUNITIES, AND WE'LL LOOK FOR THE BEST OPTION WITH THAT CONCERN.
THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE DAY.
SO I TURN TO THE AUDIENCE AND OPEN A PUBLIC COMMENT.
JOINED, I SEE ANOTHER CARD COME UP.
SO, UM, PERSON NUMBER? NO, THAT YOU'RE NUMBER TWO.
SO THIS IS FOR LAURIE PARKER, AND THEN YOU'LL BE ON DECK.
SHE HAS A SHE HAS A MANILA ENVELOPE.
WELL, SO LAURIE, YOU'LL YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
YOU'LL HAVE TO GIVE YOUR ADDRESS AND WATCH THE TIMER ON YOUR RIGHT.
I LIVE IN SEDONA AND I'VE PLAYED PICKLEBALL, THE POSSE GRANDS FOR LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
AS YOU KNOW, THE POPULARITY OF PICKLEBALL HAS CONTINUED TO GROW, AND WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SUPPORT WITH THESE NEW, UH, COURTS TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
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DO IS TO PROVIDE PERSPECTIVE IN WHICH THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON GROUP, HERE'S SOME OF THEM, UH, PLAYER SHARE.AND WE WANT TO HAVE, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE DECISION.
SO IN CHOOSING THE BEST LOCATION FOR THE COURTS, THERE'S SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS BEYOND CONSTRUCTION SPECIFICS.
IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU SAID, UH, ENOUGH GUARANTEED PARKING FOR LOCAL AND, UH, TOURIST PLAYERS.
AND THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THAT ACCESSIBILITY TO RESTROOMS, COURT PROTECTION WHEN NOT IN USE, AND LONG-TERM GOALS.
CURRENTLY, OF COURSE, PARKING IS EXTREMELY RESTRICTED.
WE KNOW 24 TO 36 PLAYERS AT A TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY CONGESTED THERE.
SO WE, WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
SO, HOW WILL PARKING BE GUARANTEED FOR LOCAL AND TOURIST PLAYERS DURING PRIME TIME ALLOCATED FOR PLAY? ALSO, IF PARKING IS EASILY VISIBLE FROM THIS NEW LOCATION, WHAT WILL PREVENT HIKERS AND CAMPERS FROM ALSO PARKING THERE CAUSING CH YOU KNOW, CHALLENGES? WHAT ACCESS? UM, ALSO I'VE BEEN ASKED TO SAY THAT ACCESS TO THE COURTS IS IMPOSSIBLE DURING MANY OF THE FESTIVALS.
AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF STILL HAVING ACCESS DURING THE TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ANY WAY TO MITIGATE THE ISSUES WITH GETTING ACCESS TO THE COURTS DURING THOSE TIMES.
AS CURRENT PLAY IS PRIMARILY MIDDLE AGED TO SENIOR SHADED BENCH AREAS NEARBY, SAFE RESTROOMS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
ALSO, WILL THERE BE A STRATEGY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM EATING AND DRINKING ON THE COURTS AT NIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, POTENTIALLY RUINING THE COURTS.
WILL IT BE POSSIBLE TO SECURE THE AREA EACH NIGHT OR SOMEHOW HAVE, UH, PROTECTION? OF COURSE, WE WANNA PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
NOISE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE OKAY THERE.
UH, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO POSITION THOSE IN A, IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER.
UH, WE TRUST YOU'LL CONSIDER EFFECTIVE WIND BREAKS AS WELL AS A CURRENT WIND BREAKS ARE CERTAINLY NOT EFFECTIVE.
AND ANOTHER IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION IS POTENTIAL DEBRIS FROM TREES IN THE AREA.
I WALKED WHERE YOU HAD MENTIONED WHERE IT WAS, BUT IT WAS FLUID AND THERE WAS ONE SPOT WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THOSE WERE GOING TO EMIT LEAVES AND MAKE A PROBLEM FOR THE COURTS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME CLEANING THE PORTS.
AND LASTLY, WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM PLAN WITH PICKLEBALL INCREASING IN POPULARITY FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE AS WELL AS SENIORS? WILL IT BE CONSIDERATION FOR, UH, EXPANSION TO MAYBE 16 COURTS IN THE FUTURE? IF THERE IS INTEREST IN HOLDING TOURNAMENTS HERE? THIS WOULD SUPPORT POSITIVE TOURISM.
PEOPLE WOULD RENT HOTELS, EATING OUR RESTAURANTS AND BRING ADDITIONAL MONEY TO OUR TOWN.
IF THIS IS TO BE CONSIDERED, COULD THE TOURISM BUREAU POTENTIALLY FINANCIALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROCESS OF FUTURE EXPANSION? JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
IN CONCLUSION, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO US WHO ROUTINELY PLAY AT POSSE GROUNDS TO SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF POP PROPER PLANNING NOW AS WELL AS INTO THE FUTURE.
OKAY, NOW, UH, IS IT SUSAN SUEANNE SUEANNE? I APOLOGIZE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA GIVE YOU KUDOS FOR AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
YOUR SITE PLAN IS WELL THOUGHT OUT.
THAT BEAUTIFULLY DETAILED, MAKES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SENSE.
UM, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT, UH, LAURIE, RIGHT? LAURIE SAID SHE WONDERFUL, ARTICULATE STATEMENT.
THE ONLY THING I THOUGHT ABOUT SITTING THERE, AND I AM A PICKLEBALL PLAYER, BUT I DON'T PLAY AT POSSE.
I USED TO PLAY AT POSSE GRANDS.
NOW I'M LUCKY ENOUGH TO PLAY IN A, IN A PRIVATE COMMUNITY, IS THAT THERE ARE, THAT IT IS THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT IN AMERICA AND OUR DEMOGRAPHIC IN SEDONA.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF PICKLEBALL PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT CURRENTLY PLAYING AT POSSE, WHO WOULD PLAY AT POSSE WITH BEAUTIFUL NEW COURTS, THE ONES THAT YOU'RE DESIGNING AND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH FIT EIGHT COURTS.
BUT THE FIRST THOUGHT I HAD WHEN YOU PRESENTED IT IS EIGHT IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH.
UM, NOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ONLY FUND EIGHT, BUT GOING BACK TO LORI'S LAST COMMENT, THE IDEA OF HAVING ROOM TO EXPAND, UM, BOTH BECAUSE OF THE POPULARITY OF THE SPORT AND ALSO, UH, FOR THE PROSPECT OF HAVING TOURNAMENT PLAY, WHICH THEY NOW DO IN, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, IN, IN, UH, PRESCOTT FOR INSTANCE, THEY HAVE A LOT OF TOURNAMENT PLAY.
SO, UM, SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, BUT I, BUT I SUSPECT EIGHT COURTS, UM, WILL SOON FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
OKAY, THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO, UH, SPEAK BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO SAN, I'M SORRY, IF YOU, DO YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD THEN WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
UM, JULIE, LILY, I LIVE IN WEST SEDONA.
UM, I ALSO PLAY IN THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO I'VE NEVER USED THE POSSE GROUND ONES, BUT, UM, WOULD THEY STILL CONTINUE DOING THE DUAL COURTS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE? SO THAT EXPANDS, BECAUSE IF YOU DO THE NEW EIGHT ONES, THE WHERE THE TENNIS AND THE PICKLEBALL PLAYERS ARE NOW, WOULD THEY
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ALSO STILL CONTINUE DOING DUAL THERE? OR WOULD IT JUST BECOME BACK TENNIS COURTS TO THE TENNIS COURTS PARK? I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT HOW THAT WORKS OUT, BUT RIGHT NOW THE THOUGHT IS, IS THAT THOSE COURTS WOULD BE FOR TENNIS, BUT WE'RE FLUID AND WE WOULD BE OPEN TO SEEING HOW THAT WORKS.CAN YOU PLEASE FILE THE COURT? THANK YOU.
NOW WE'LL CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL AND BRIAN.
SO IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION ON THE TENNIS COURTS, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, DOES IT MAY, ARE, ARE THERE FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS? OR HOW MANY ARE BEING YES, THERE'S A TOTAL OF FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS, TWO TENNIS COURTS PER TENNIS COURT.
SO YOU GET FOUR COURTS ON EACH SINGLE TENNIS COURT? YES.
SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS ON OUR TWO TENNIS COURTS? CORRECT.
AND THOSE ARE AVAILABLE TO USE FOUR DAYS A WEEK, TWO HOURS IN THE MORNING, TWO HOURS IN THE EVENING.
SO TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT, THAT IS, THOSE ARE THE HOURS OF OUR PICKLEBALL ORGANIZED PLAY PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE RESERVED THAT SPACE FOR PICKLE BALL'S EXCLUSIVE USE.
UM, TWO HOURS IN THE MORNING, FOUR DAYS A WEEK, TWO HOURS IN THE EVENING, FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
UM, OTHERWISE THE COURTS ARE FIRST COME FIRST, COME FIRST SERVE OPEN AND AVAILABLE FOR EITHER TENNIS OR PICKLEBALL.
UM, ALSO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE, UH, FIT FOR KIDS TENNIS LESSONS AND PRIVATE TENNIS LESSONS AS A, AS A RECREATION PROGRAM AS WELL GOING ON THERE.
I WAS TRYING TO JUST GET A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE ENTHUSIASM OF, HEY, WE'RE GONNA FILL THESE THINGS UP AND WE, WE NEED, WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK LIKE, OKAY, WELL, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED SAYS THERE'S 18 DEDICATED HOURS A WEEK CURRENTLY THAT'S GOING TO EXPAND DRAMATICALLY, UH, FOR PICKLEBALL WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN COURTS.
SO, UM, I, I WELCOME US HAVING TO TALK ABOUT EXPANSION, BUT I SUSPECT WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE THAT'S NECESSARY.
UH, I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF MY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
SO AS FAR AS ANY COMMENTS GO, YOU KNOW, JUST THANK YOU FOR THE OUTREACH THAT YOU DID TO THE COMMUNITY, TRYING TO SPEAK WITH RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AS ADJACENT AS POSSIBLE TO THE AFFECTED AREAS.
GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE'S NO, UH, PUSHBACK.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOBODY HERE TONIGHT PUSHING BACK, SO I THINK IT'S GREAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING IT.
SO I'LL ASK A COUPLE OF LAURIE'S QUESTIONS BECAUSE, UM, I CAN REMEMBER THEM, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL OF THEM.
SO, UM, I THINK THE ONES THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION MOST ARE THE ONES DEALING WITH FESTIVALS.
AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT PARKING IS LIKE, KIND OF ALL THE TIME MM-HMM.
AND WHAT, WHAT IS THE PLAN IF THERE IS A PLAN CURRENTLY AROUND THE USE OF THE PARKING AND THE PICKLEBALL, UH, COURT AREA WHEN THERE'S A FESTIVAL UP THERE? YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A STRATEGY MIGHT BE TO MITIGATE THE PARKING.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE EXPERIENCED A SIGNIFICANT UPSWING IN PARKING IMPACT WITH THE SHUTTLE LOT THAT'S NOW BEEN OPEN FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
WE SAW JUST INCREDIBLE IMPACT TO THE, THE ENTIRETY OF, OF POSSE GROUNDS LOT.
I THINK ONE OF THE BEST STRATEGIES WOULD BE TO CREATE MORE PARKING.
IT'S ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT WE COULD DO.
UM, AND THAT BEING PART OF THE PLAN, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM ESTABLISHING SOME SORT OF OFFSITE SHUTTLING IN OF SOME KIND, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A STRATEGY WOULD BE GIVEN THE, THE SPACE RESTRICTIONS IN THE PARK.
I'M NO ENGINEER
BUT BEYOND THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT OVERSIGHT OR WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, LET'S ASSUME THAT THERE'S OFFSITE PARKING FOR THE FESTIVALS.
UH, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER DOING A RESTRICTION SO THAT PEOPLE WHO WHO LIVE HERE, OR TOURISTS WHO WANNA PLAY PICKLEBALL CAN STILL USE THE PARKING THAT IS NEAR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, OTHERWISE IT WILL BECOME FESTIVAL PARKING? SURE.
ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS MM-HMM.
SO WHAT WE DO AT THE DOG PARK IS WE PUT UP NO EVENT PARKING SIGNAGE WHEN THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT EVENT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, THAT OUR LOCAL USERS STILL HAVE THAT SPACE TO PARK IN.
AND WE COULD, JASON, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.
SO WHEN WE HAVE LARGE EVENTS, WE TYPICALLY AN EVENT LIKE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL, THEY TYPICALLY WILL RENT THE ENTIRE PARK.
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SO TO KIND OF SEPARATE THAT OUT, UM, FOR ANOTHER USE WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO DO WITHOUT HAVING AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS INTO THAT AREA.
AND THEN WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANNA ACCESS PICKLEBALL AND THE RAMADA AND THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND THE HUB.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON BECAUSE IT'S A COMMUNITY PARK WITH, WITH A WIDE RANGE OF AMENITIES AND USERS.
WELL, I, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE PICKLEBALL, UM, AND C AS THE LOCATION, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, IN HEARING ALL THIS FEEDBACK, WE SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE LOOK AT PLANNING THE BREWER PARK.
I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT LATER.
AND, UH, NOT TO IN TERMS OF ACCOMMODATING, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST SAYING HERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LI LIMITED PARK SPACE AND JUST LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AT ALL OF OUR PARKS AND WHAT WE DO AND DON'T DO AND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO, UH, JUST TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
SOME OF IT LIKE SUNSET PARK, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ROOM TO DO ANYTHING MORE, BUT WE HAVE A NEW PARK COMING.
AND, AND WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION HERE IN THE COMING MONTHS.
UM, THAT PARK WAS MASTER PLANNED TO BE A BIT OF A, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF EXPERIENCE MM-HMM.
WITH ITS OWN UNIQUE FEATURES AND, AND AMENITIES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF THESE THINGS WOULD BE NECESSARILY EASILY TRANSFERABLE TO THAT PARK, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY OPEN AS WE WORK THROUGH BRINGING THAT DISCUSSION BACK TO COUNCIL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANY IDEA THAT THAT MIGHT COME UP.
AND ALSO THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING BACKYARD WHERE WE HAVE OPEN SPACE, JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE SPACE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO SEE WHAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE MIGHT BE.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, I'M GONNA TAKE MY TURN NOW.
UM, THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO, UH, WAS TO HAVE PICKLEBALL AT THE BREWER ROAD PARK, AND I THINK IT WAS ONLY GONNA BE FOUR COURTS, I BELIEVE.
AND THROUGH OUTREACH THAT I HAD DONE BACK THEN WITH THE, UH, PARTICIPANTS OF PICKLEBALL, AND IT'S A LOT LESS THEN THAN IT IS NOW.
I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT IT, IT RATCHETED UP A LOT, BUT THERE WAS NO INTEREST IN SEPARATING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE COURTS AT POSSE GROUNDS.
EVEN HAVING THESE WERE, WERE A REAL CHALLENGE, TOOK WAY LONGER THAN EVER REALLY SHOULD HAVE, BUT IT'S A LACK OF SPACE.
UH, AND THIS JUMPED, UH, AS FAR AS THE MASTER PLAN, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S INTEREST, BUT SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING AT.
AND AT THE TIME, I DON'T, I, AT THE TIME WE DID NOT HAVE THE COURTHOUSE, UH, AND THE, THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING THERE.
SO ANYTHING'S, UH, POSSIBLE, BUT DOING OUTREACH, ONE THING I LEARNED, PICKLEBALL PEOPLE ARE VERY OPEN TO SHARING THEIR OPINIONS, LIKE A LOT OF OTHERS AROUND HERE.
SO LET'S SEE WHERE WE CAN GO IN THE FUTURE.
SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
UH, KATHY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, I'M GOOD, JESSICA, IN CLOSING, I SUPPORT, UH, SITE C FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT ARE, I LIKE B BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONCERNS WITH THAT.
UM, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AS, AND I THINK THAT THE PARKS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS RECREATION PEOPLE, IT'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT USERS OF POSSE GRANT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT USERS OF POSSE GRANT.
AND THEY, THEY, IN THE INTERESTS OF SERVING A COMMUNITY, THEY, THEY DESERVE TO BE REPRESENTED AND HONORED AND, AND SORT OF HAVE A PLACE IN AT POSSE GROUND, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT LIKE, THE LARGEST SPORT EMERGING IN THE UNIVERSE.
SO I THINK, WHILE I THINK WHILE IT, IT CERTAINLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE, TO LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS AT POSSE GROUND AND TO LOOK AT THE GROWTH OF THE SPORT, UH, FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT, I MEAN, I THINK THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE PLAY AT PRIVATE FACILITIES IS JUST
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REALLY GREAT.I THINK THEY SHOULD LIKE, CONTINUE TO PLAY AT PRIVATE FACILITIES.
I THINK THAT'S A TERRIFIC OPTION FOR SOME, FOR SOME PEOPLE.
SO I JUST WANNA BE COGNIZANT OF THE, OF THE WIDE DIVERSITY OF, OF USERS OF POLICY GROUND AND SORT OF RESPECT, RESPECT ALL OF THEM.
AND I THINK IT'S EXCITING TO HAVE EIGHT NEW COURTS THERE.
I THINK THEY'LL BE USED HEAVILY.
I THINK THEY'LL BE BEAUTIFUL COURTS.
AND I THINK THE PARKING WILL BE BEAUTIFUL AND I'M EXCITED TO, TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND ONSITE C.
AND WHY DON'T WE, UH, GO DOWN THE DAIS AND SIGNIFY WHICH LETTER WE SUPPORT? UH, I CUZ I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF US SAID SPECIFICALLY.
UH, KATHY, WELL, I LIKED B, BUT I'M CONVINCED THAT C IS MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE.
THEN WE CAN FILL IN THE, THE BLANK ON THE, UH, UH, ON THE MOTION.
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? SURE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE LOCATION C AS SHOWN IN THE EXHIBIT OF THIS AGENDA.
BILL, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK OR YOU OKAY? UM, RIGHT, 15 MINUTES PROMPTLY.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE 6 23, 2 MINUTES.
DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE 12 STREETS, SIDEWALKS, PUBLIC, UH, PLACES BY AMENDING CHAPTER, UH, 12.05 RIGHTS OF WAY.
AND WHO WILL BE PRESENTING KURT? SO I THINK WE HAVE, IS THAT THE ONE FIRST? YES.
I THINK YOU WENT THE, OH, I'M, OH, I'M SORRY.
[8.d. AB 2975 Discussion/possible action regarding an Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Chapter 2.25 (Ordinances, Resolutions, and Contracts) by amending Section 2.25.040 (Reading of proposed ordinance). ]
AB 29 75.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 22.225, ORDINANCE RESOLUTION AND CONTRACTS BY AMENDING SECTION, EXCUSE ME, 2.2 5.040 BREEDING OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
UH, MR. MAYOR MADAM VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
UH, SO IT JUST SAYS THE TITLE SAYS, UH, I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION HERE, JUST THE ORDINANCE UP ON THE SCREEN.
UH, IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT CHANGING THE CURRENT PROCEDURE CURRENTLY IN CITY CODE.
IT REQUIRES A, UH, A READING OF THE ORDINANCE ONE READING PRIOR TO ADOPTION.
UH, AND THIS PROPOSAL WOULD CHANGE IT FROM ELIMINATING THE READING TO REQUIRING TWO MEETINGS, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR NEW ORDINANCES.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO, SOME OF THE NEW ORDINANCES WE'VE HAD WAS THE PUBLIC URINATION PROHIBITION ORDINANCE, UH, THAT WAS, UH, CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL AND ADOPTED AT A SINGLE MEETING.
UH, YOU HAD THE C CHOCOLA TREE AND THE SEDONA, MORE RECENTLY, THE SEDONA SHUTTLE REZONES.
UH, THOSE WERE CONSIDERED AT A PUBLIC HEARING IN P AND Z, AND THEN ALSO AT A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THE WILDLIFE FEEDING ORDINANCE, WHICH, UH, WAS DISCUSSED BY COUNCIL AT TWO MEETINGS.
AND THEN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE, WHICH I THINK HAD, YOU KNOW, THREE PLUS MEETINGS EVER SINCE THE COUNCIL, UH, SINCE THE STATE LEGISLATURE ADOPTED THE CHANGE.
AND THEN IT CAME TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION, FOR THE PERMIT REQUIREMENT, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
SO, SO THOSE ARE THE ORDINANCES THAT THIS WOULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON.
UM, THOSE TYPES OF NEW ORDINANCES.
THE OTHER ORDINANCES THAT TOOK PLACE THIS LAST YEAR, LIKE THE FIREWORKS, UM, UPDATE PARKING, THOSE WERE MORE SIMPLE AMENDMENTS, UM, CHANGING THE ORDINANCES, NOT NEW ORDINANCES.
SO THE PROPOSAL WOULD REQUIRE THAT ANY NEW ORDINANCE, UH, BE HEARD AT TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS.
UM, AND SO THE EXCEPTIONS WOULD BE, UH, ANYTHING HEARD.
UH, TWO ORDINANCES BY CITY COUNCIL, THE EXCEPTIONS BEING ORDINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN HEARD BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT A PUBLIC MEETING, OR IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.
UH, AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE IS DEFINED IN STATE LAW AND REQUIRES THREE FOURS, UH, UH, OF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVING APPROVING ORDINANCE, INCLUDING THE MAYOR.
SO IF THERE WAS SIX COUNSELORS WHERE THE MAYOR WAS OBJECTING TO IT, THEN THAT WOULD PREVENT AN ORDINANCE FROM BEING AN EMERGENCY.
UH, SO THAT'S THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH,
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IT COUNCIL WERE TO ADOPT IT TODAY.UH, IT WOULD GO IN EFFECT IN 30 DAYS, SO IT WOULD BE IN EFFECT FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST FOR IF THERE WERE ANY ORDINANCES ON THAT AGENDA.
ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR KURT? KATHY, YOU HAVE, YOU'RE FINE WITH IT.
I DON'T, WE WAIT FOR COMMENTS.
IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, THEN WE'RE GONNA GO WRITE THE COMMENTS.
PUBLIC FORUM OR NO PUBLIC FORUM.
IS THAT WHAT RICHARD'S HERE FOR? NO.
IF, IF, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND THEN WE'LL GO FOR COMMENTS.
UM, THANK YOU, KURT, FOR, FOR DRAFTING THIS AND FOR PUTTING ALL THE THOUGHT INTO IT.
I, I KNOW THAT THERE WERE, THANK YOU.
UM, THE, I KNOW WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT AT THE MEETING WHERE YOU WERE DIRECTED TO, TO PUT THIS FORWARD, BUT I SAW THIS AS A GREAT CHANGE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN THERE, THAT WOULD COUNT AS A PUBLIC, UM, COMMENT PERIOD.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME BECAUSE, UH, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S THE SAME PUBLIC NOTICE THAT GOES INTO EFFECT.
PEOPLE KNOW IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
UM, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO BALANCE THE AVAILABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW, ATTEND, AND SPEAK WITH MOVING GOVERNMENT IN A RATE THAT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, SO LABORIOUSLY SLOW THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THINGS ARE MOVING AT ALL.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY A GREAT COMPROMISE AND STRIKING THAT BALANCE.
SO I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THINKING OF THAT AND PUTTING THAT IN.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YES, COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN AND I BOTH, UM, BROUGHT FORWARD BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT IT CODIFIES REALLY WHAT WE DO IN PRACTICE.
AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES WHEN, WHEN THINGS GO THROUGH IN A, IN AN AUTOMATIC FASHION OR IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T GIVE US TIME TO CONSIDER CHANGES, THAT, THAT THINGS MIGHT MOVE THROUGH.
WE, THAT'S NOT HOW WE USUALLY WORK, BUT HOW, BUT THE POTENTIAL FOR IT TO HAPPEN IS THERE, AND THIS IS THE STOP GAP MEASURE TO CLOSE THAT, THAT POTENTIAL PITFALL, UM, WITH THE RIGHT EXCEPTIONS IN THERE, I THINK, FOR EMERGENCIES, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE DEFINED.
SO I AM COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND, UM, THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO PUT BEST PRACTICE INTO WRITING AND CODIFICATIONS.
SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR TAKING CARE OF THIS.
UM, SO MR. MAYOR, WE DO NEED A FIRST READING.
IT'S NOT LISTED IN THE AGENDA BILL, BUT FOR THIS ORDINANCE AND THE SUBSEQUENT ONE, IF, RIGHT.
SO WHY DON'T WE, UM, YOU WANNA DO IT KURT, OR? SURE.
OKAY, NOW, DO YOU NEED A MOTION? YES, PLEASE.
UH, COULD I MAKE A MOTION? SURE.
THANK YOU, JOE, WHAT NUMBER WILL THIS BE? FOUR.
UM, I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023 DASH FOUR, AN ORDINANCE OF THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO THE SEDONA CITY CODE.
I MOVED TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023 DASH FOUR, AN ORDINANCE OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO THE SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 2.25 ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS AND CONTRACTS BY AMENDING SECTION 2.2 5.040 FROM READING OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
AND TWO, TWO MEETINGS REQUIRED FOR NEW ORDINANCES.
OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND, RIGHT? THE VICE MAYOR.
I WISH PETE WAS HERE TO HELP VOTE.
[8.e. AB 2976 Discussion/possible action regarding an Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Title 12 (Streets, Sidewalks, and Public Places) by amending Chapter 12.05 (Rights-of-Way). ]
ITEM E AB 29 76.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLED 12 STREETS, SIDEWALKS, PUBLIC PLACES BY AMENDING CHAPTER 12.05.
RIGHTS OF WAY, KURT, AGAIN, I'M SURE.
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THANK YOU.SO THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL JUST A CLEANUP ORDINANCE.
UM, OVER THE PAST YEAR, CODE ENFORCEMENT'S NOTED, UM, A KIND OF A GAP IN THE, IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY SECTION OF THE CHAPTER HERE.
UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S VERY SPECIFIC, UH, YOU KNOW, 30 SOMETHING PAGES ON SMALL WIRELESS FACILITIES, UM, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE PERMIT REQUIRED FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROHIBIT, UM, SOMEONE FROM PLACING OR ENCROACHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, CERTAIN ITEMS, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU'RE NOT DOING CONSTRUCTION, UH, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE SCENARIOS IS A HOUSE BEING BUILT ON, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND THEY DON'T NEED A, THE DRIVEWAY'S GONNA BE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY MEET UP ON THE RIGHT, ON THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
SO THEY DON'T NEED A PERMIT FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, BUT THEN THEY'LL PLACE THINGS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, LIKE DUMPSTERS OR PORTER PORTA POTTIES, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO, UM, CODE HAS NOT HAD A WAY TO, TO CITE THOSE, ENFORCE THEM FROM BLOCKING ROADS OR, OR, UH, PARKING SPACES.
AND SO THE ADDITIONS HERE ARE INTENDED PRIMARILY TO PREVENT THAT TYPE OF ENCROACHMENT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THEY, UH, THE ENCROACHMENT DEFINITION IS SEEN HERE ON THE SCREEN, UM, IS, UH, FAIRLY BROADLY, UH, DEFINED TO INCLUDE ANY TRASH, DEBRIS OR PERSONAL PROPERTY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
UH, AND SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE NECESSARILY IN CONJUNCTION WITH A, UM, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY.
AND THEN HERE'S THE NEW PROHIBITION.
SO IF YOU SEE THE WHOLE CHAPTER, UH, THERE'LL BE ONE NEW SECTION, A COUPLE DEFINITION CHANGES, AND THEN ONE NEW SECTION.
ENCROACHMENT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PROHIBITED, UM, PROHIBITING, UM, ENCROACHMENT.
UH, A VIOLATION OF THIS CAN BE A CIVIL OR CRIMINAL OFFENSE, UH, IN THE DISCRETION, SINCE IT'S NOT SPELLED OUT SPECIFICALLY IN THE DISCRETION OF THE ENFORCING OFFICER.
SO WHETHER IT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT OR A POLICE OFFICER, UM, LIKE, LIKE ALL PRACTICES, THERE ARE GENERAL, GENERAL GOALS JUST TO GAIN COMPLIANCE.
SO THERE'D ALMOST ALWAYS BE A WARNING FIRST.
AND THEN CRIMINAL IS USUALLY THE LAST CASE, CUZ IT'S HARDER TO PROVE AND IT TAKES UP MORE RESOURCES.
UH, ANY FINE WOULD BE IN THE DISCRETION OF THE, THE CITY, UH, MAGISTRATE.
ANY QUESTIONS, JESSICA? SO THIS JUST MERELY SAYS YOU NEED A PERMIT TO DO WHAT PEOPLE ARE, RIGHT? YES.
SO UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A PERMIT.
SO THOSE HUGE CONSTRUCTION BIN DUMPSTERS, THOSE WILL REQUIRE A PERMIT.
WILL THEY GET PERMITS? I MEAN, IF IF THEY DON'T, THEN THEY CAN BE CITED IN THIS ORDINANCE.
WELL, I, I GUESS THERE'S NOTHING, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT INTENDING TO PROHIBIT THOSE DUMPSTERS FROM BEING ABLE TO BE PUT IN THE STREET.
THERE'S NO PLACE ELSE TO PUT 'EM.
UM, ARE THERE CONDITIONS FOR, THERE'LL BE SOME CONDITIONS FOR DOING THAT.
YES, ANDY, DID YOU HAVE I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UM, SOMETIMES ISSUES THAT YOU CAN RUN INTO WITH THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, BLOCKING SIDE DISTANCE OR BLOCKING A SIDEWALK OR, OKAY.
VARIOUS THINGS WHERE WE WANT THEM TO SAY, THIS IS WHERE I'M GONNA PUT IT.
THEY AGREE TO IT, AND THEN THAT'S PART OF IT.
SO I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT AND THEN KATHY, AS A QUESTION, WOULD THAT BE TAKEN CARE OF DURING THE PERMIT PROCESS FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION, WHATEVER THEY, THEY SAY THEY NEED A PERMIT, UH, ALL THE OTHER PERMITS THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT.
THEY WOULD, SO OUR STAFF WOULD IDENTIFY THAT THERE'S A NEED AND THEN NOTIFY THEM THAT, HEY, YOU NEED TO GET THIS SEPARATE PERMIT FOR THESE OTHER ITEMS. AND THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF NOW ANYWAY, RIGHT? YES.
DO WE CHARGE FOR THAT, OR IS THAT A PERMIT FOR THAT? DO WE PAY A FEE FOR THAT? WAS THAT PART OF THE PACKAGE? IT'S USUALLY A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT, AND I THINK THAT'S $50, IF I RE REMEMBER RIGHT.
IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY, UH, AFFORDABLE.
AND WE ALL HAVE AN INTEREST IN KEEPING THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY FREE FOR THE USE OF THE PUBLIC, BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I WOULD WANNA KEEP THE CONSTRUCTION THINGS FROM BLOCKING PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND WE DON'T WANT INSTANCES OF, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF BLOCKAGE.
BUT I DO HAVE A FIRST, SOME FIRST AMENDMENT QUESTION, UH, ISSUES THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HERE, WHICH IS, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY THEORETICALLY WANTS TO PROTEST SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING AT A LOCAL RESTAURANT OR A STORE, AND THEY WANT TO BE OUT THERE FOR SEVERAL HOURS WITH THEIR SIGN, AND THEY BRING A FOLDING CHAIR TO SET UP TO SIT IN WHILE THEY'RE OUT THERE FOR THEIR SEVERAL HOURS DOING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.
PROTEST THAT CHAIR, AS I READ THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROVIDED
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IS PERSONAL PROPERTY THAT WOULD NOW BE PROHIBITED OR NEED A PERMIT.I DON'T THINK FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF EXPRESSION SHOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE QUESTION.
BUT AM I READING THIS CORRECTLY THAT, THAT WOULD, THIS WOULD NOW PROHIBIT SOMEBODY FROM SETTING UP IN THAT WAY? NO.
SO, SO, SO YES, IT'S WORDED THAT BROADLY, UM, AND INTENTIONALLY, BUT YES, ALL CITY ORDINANCES ARE SUBJECT TO, UM, THE US CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS, INCLUDING THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
SO THE FIRST AMENDMENTS, UH, PERSON'S RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AND ASSEMBLY WOULD TRUMP THIS ORDINANCE.
UH, SO ANY REASONABLE OR OR TEMPORARY PLACEMENT OF PERSONAL RIGHTS IN THE, IN, IN PERSONAL PROPERTY, IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UM, IS ALLOWED.
SO THERE, BUT IT CAN, THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A BALANCING TEST WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT.
SO IF THEY BRING TOO MANY THINGS OR THEY'RE STAY THERE FOR TOO LONG, THEN THAT CAN BE COMING AN ENCROACHMENT.
BUT WE'RE LEAVING, YOU SAID INTENTIONALLY VAGUE.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT AT SOME POINT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING WOULD BE LITIGATED? BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S OUT THERE, AGAIN, THE RIGHT TO STAND THERE WITH THE SIGN, I THINK PROBABLY YES, THAT WOULD SUPERSEDE ANY LAW.
BUT SITTING IN THE CHAIR THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, THE CHAIR MAY NOT.
AND SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY END UP IN A COURT.
DO WE WANNA DO SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS GONNA END UP IN THE COURT THAT WAY? OR IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD WORK ON THIS LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ENSHRINE SOME FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OR PROTECT THEM? I, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY TO RECAPTURE ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND WITH PEOPLE AND THEIR THINGS AND HOW THEY WOULD PLACE IT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE PERSON'S SITTING IN THEIR CHAIR IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE ROADWAY, UH, THAT WOULDN'T BE A REASONABLE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO, TO BLOCK THE ROADWAY, IN MY OPINION.
UM, IF IT'S ON THE SIDEWALK DURING A PROTEST AND IT'S TEMPORARY, UH, THAT'S FINE.
IF IT'S, SAY IT'S ON A SIDEWALK AND THEY'RE THERE FOR, FOR A LONG PERIOD, MAYBE DAYS, AND THEY'RE BLOCKING ADA A ACCESS, I THINK AT SOME POINT IT BECOMES UNREASONABLE AND IT BECOMES AN ENCROACHMENT.
SO IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A, A, A BALANCING TEST.
THIS, THE PURPOSE OF ORDINANCE ISN'T TO GO AFTER FIRST AMENDMENT, UH, PROTESTORS IN ANY WAY.
UM, THE, THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT ASKED IT FOR, UH, IS FOR, UH, PORTA PORTABLE TOILETS IN THE, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, BUT YES, IT COULD BE USED IN, IN EX IN EXTREME SCENARIOS TO PROHIBIT, UH, OTHER TYPES OF ENCROACHMENTS AS WELL, THE TERM PERSONAL PROPERTY.
UNDER THE DEFINITIONS, THERE'S A NEW DEFINITION THAT GOES INTO THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, ENCROACHMENT.
AND THE TERM PERSONAL PROPERTY IS USED IN THE DEFINITION OF ENCROACHMENT, BUT PERSONAL PROPERTY IS NOT DEFINED.
SHOULD WE BE DEFINING PERSONAL PROPERTY IN SOME WAY? I TH I I THINK THAT'S, UM, A REGULARLY, REGULARLY USED TERM.
I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS A, A SPECIFIC DEFINITION HERE.
UM, PERSONAL PROPERTY IS ANYTHING THAT IS OWNED BY A PERSON OTHER THAN REAL PROPERTY.
AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY DISTINCTION THERE.
IT COULD JUST SAY PROPERTY, BUT IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY BOUNDARIES IN REAL PROPERTY IN THIS SAME, SAME CHAPTER.
AND AGAIN, IF THIS IS SOMETHING, THIS IS NOW BEING LEFT UP TO BROAD INTERPRETATION, UH, BECAUSE UNDER THE SECTION, UH, 1205 OR PROPOSED SECTION 12.0 5.160, SUBJECT TO PENALTY SET FORTH IN SCC SECTION 1.1 5.010.
COULD YOU RUN US DOWN THE, WHAT THOSE PENALTIES ARE AGAIN, PLEASE? UH, CIVIL, UH, SO IT COULD BE AS, AS MINOR AS A WARNING, A CIVIL OFFENSE, UH, OR A CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR.
SO WHAT WOULD THE PEN, WHAT WOULD THE PENALTY BE? IT DEPENDS ON THE OFFICER CITING THEY HAVE DISCRETION.
AND, AND THAT'S THE SAME FOR MOST ORDINANCES IN THE CITY.
I KNOW A FEW OF THE LAST ORDINANCES WE BROUGHT, WE'VE, UH, YEAH, THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE.
COUNCILS WANTED TO CONTROL THE EXACT, UH, AMOUNT OF THE FINE AND THE SCENARIO, BUT MOST ORDINANCES, UH, IF YOU READ THROUGH THE SEDONA CITY CODE, BY FAR THE VAST MAJORITY ARE JUST, IT CAN BE EITHER CIVIL OR CRIMINAL.
AND IT'S IN THE DISCRETION OF THIS, THE CITING OFFICER.
UM, AND THEN LEFT AS TO THE PENALTY UP TO THE COURT.
UM, AGAIN, I SUPPORT TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR PUBLIC RIGHT OF AWAYS FREE FOR THE PUBLIC USE.
I JUST AM CONCERNED WITH, AS I SAID, WITH THE WORDING AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT HERE, HERE, IT'S COMING TO US TONIGHT.
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WE'RE SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.WE'RE CONSIDERING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
WE JUST PASSED AN ORDINANCE TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.
SO I'M WONDERING IF IT'S, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, NEEDS TO BE NOODLED, SO TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND, AND COME FORWARD AT A LATER TIME.
IS THERE A TIME CONSTRAINT ON WHY THIS IS BEFORE US TONIGHT? NO, THERE'S NO TIME CONSTRAINT.
UM, FROM THE LEGAL'S PERSPECTIVE, THE CITY MANAGER MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I, I DON'T HAVE ANY, I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO COUNSEL IF THEY HAD SUGGESTIONS ON HOW THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT.
UM, BUT NONE OF THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED TONIGHT.
UH, I I DON'T SHARE ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS.
DID YOU WANNA WEIGH IN, KAREN, OR NO, I DO THINK THAT IT'S TIME TO GET THIS LANGUAGE CLEARED UP.
SO WE, THE PUBLIC SPACES, UM, THE CITY OWNED RIGHT OF WAY DOES DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED FROM FOLKS SETTING UP PERSONAL PROPERTY OR PERSONAL BELONGINGS OR CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT OR OTHER THINGS IN IT.
AND SO I, I DO THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S SOME URGENCY TO THIS AND IS AN URGENCY TO NOW JULY VERSUS SEPTEMBER.
UM, I, I GUESS AS I SAID, I'M, I'M, I'M FOR IT CONCEPTUALLY.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, AS I SAID, A, A, A PROTESTER'S, RIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN HERE.
SO I, I WAS, WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT SOMEHOW.
UM, MAYBE LIKE IF IT'S EASILY MOVABLE OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR WITH THIS, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING THIS WAS IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
I'LL LET IT GO THERE FOR NOW TO GET SOME OTHER COMMENTS IN, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT MAYBE LATER.
UH, WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, YOU KNOW, I SAW THE REFERENCE TO LIKE PORTA-POTTIES, BUT I INSTANTLY WAS THINKING LIKE, OKAY, WHAT ELSE IS THIS TRYING TO GET AT? RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, IN THIS SCOPE, IT TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC PLACES, ENCROACHMENT INVOLVES PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO IS THIS SOME SORT OF WAY OF TRYING TO ADDRESS ACTIONS OF UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS, UH, FOR INSTANCE, BECAUSE TO ME, MY READING OF THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR ACTION TO BE TAKEN BASICALLY IMMEDIATELY TO TELL SOMEBODY TO GET OFF OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SPACE, UH, WITH THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO, UM, WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO MY READ OF THAT, KURT? SO, SO THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION BEHIND THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT COULD BE USED THAT WAY.
UH, PHOENIX HAS A SIMILAR ORDINANCE IN THE, IN THEIR RECENT HOMELESS CASE AND THEIR ENCAMPMENT CASE, THE FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT, UH, THE JUDGE THERE CITED THAT ENCROACHMENT ORDINANCE, UH, AS ONE OF, ONE OF THE FAULT OF PHOENIX FOR NOT ENFORCING, UM, THE EN REMOVING THE ENCAMPMENT, UH, PARTLY BASED UNDER THAT ORDINANCE AND A LOT OF OTHER REASONS AS WELL.
BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WAS CITED POSITIVELY BY THE JUDGE, THE FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT JUDGE, UM, AS A MEANS OF REMOVING THE ENCAMPMENT THAT WAS CAUSING THE PUBLIC NUISANCE THAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAD CREATED ACCORDING TO THE JUDGE.
AND BASED ON THE PREVIOUS INTERACTION BETWEEN COUNSELOR KINSELLA AND THE CITY MANAGER, MY KNEE JERK REACTION WAS PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS TOPIC RIGHT NOW TO BETTER UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION GOING ON IN THE ROOM.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS THAT WAY, BUT HAVING A I I LIKE THAT IDEA.
SO WE CAN GET SOME, ASK SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS.
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MOVE.SO I MOVE THAT WE, UH, MOVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS TOPIC.
I'LL SECOND THAT FOR CAN WE, CAN WE GET, UH, THE REASON BEING FOR LEGAL ADVICE? FOR LEGAL ADVICE.
SO WHY DON'T WE, UPON A MAJORITY VOTE, YOU WANNA TAKE A VOTE? YOU HAVE TO.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I JUST, WE'RE GONNA BE A BIG OVER HERE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR LEGAL ADVICE.
WE ARE BACK INTO PUBLIC SESSION, AND ARE WE READY TO, IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? BRIAN, DO YOU WANT A MOTION? OH, I'M SORRY.
I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE MORE DISCUSSION OR NOT.
YEAH, I, I'LL, I'LL, I I WILL, IF YOU WON'T.
YEAH, I, I USUALLY WE GET TO A
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POINT WHERE WE START TALKING ABOUT HOW WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE INTEND ON THIS.AND ALTHOUGH I SEE THE BENEFIT AND THE SUPPORT, THE BENEFIT OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS A LAW THAT DOES PROTECT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, I THINK THAT BASED ON NUMBER ONE, MY FIRST AMENDMENT CONCERNS, AND NUMBER TWO, EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, IS THE FACT THAT WE JUST PASSED AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING TO READINGS SO THAT WE COULD CONSIDER THESE QUESTIONS WITHOUT IT BEING, UM, LIKE VERY QUICK READ AND ACTION.
UH, BASED ON THAT, I, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AT THIS TIME, SHOULD A RESOLUTION COME FORWARD, JESSICA? I DO SUPPORT IT.
I THINK IT'S WRITTEN LIKE ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES, IT WILL BE ENFORCED, LIKE ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES.
I THINK THAT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TWEAKED OR DOODLED OR ANYTHING.
I THINK IT, IT STANDS ON ITS OWN.
AND I, I, I THINK THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, TRUMP, ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES, TRUMP EVERYTHING.
UM, AND SO I DON'T SEE THERE'S ANY REASON TO DELAY THIS.
I THINK THAT IT'S AN IMPORTANT, AN IMPORTANT ORDINANCE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
I SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN AND PURSUANT TO THE ORDINANCE, WE JUST PASSED ABOUT TWO READINGS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO VOTE ON THIS AT THE NEXT EARLIEST MEETING POSSIBLE, MELISSA? SO I SUPPORT THE ORDINANCES WRITTEN.
UM, HOWEVER, I DO, UM, DIFFER IN MY THINKING AROUND THE FACT THAT THE ORDER IN WHICH WE PA WE PROPOSED THE ORDINANCES IS HAPPENSTANCE, AS OPPOSED TO, OH WAIT, WE JUST PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT SAID WAIT FOR TWO READINGS.
IF WE HAD DONE THAT AFTER THIS ONE, IF, IF THAT WOULD'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE.
BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
AND THEREFORE I THINK THIS IS JUST AN AGENDA ORDER ITEM, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW EVERYONE FEELS ABOUT IT, BUT I ALSO FEEL IF WE THINK THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ORDINANCE TO PASS, THEN WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD ACT ON THAT VICE MAYOR.
I DON'T, I SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN, BUT I DON'T SUPPORT VOTING ON IT TODAY BECAUSE I, I, WE, IT'S EITHER AN EMERGENCY AND WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THAT, OR IT NEEDS TO BE ADOPTED IN THE WAY IN WHICH WE JUST PASSED OUR TWO READING ORDINANCE.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING FOR IT AT ITS SECOND RATING.
I'M GONNA ASK KURT JUST TO VERIFY FOR A SPLIT VOTE FOR A COUNCIL OF SIX, THE ITEM WOULD FAIL.
THE, THE MOTION WOULD FAIL IF IT WAS TIED AND IF WHATEVER THE MOTION WAS, RIGHT? SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD AND IT WOULD FAIL, THIS WOULD NOT EVEN COUNT AS A FIRST READING IF IT WERE TO COME BACK AGAIN.
SO THERE'S AGAIN, THE NEW ORDINANCE, UH, GOT AWAY WITH FIRST READINGS, IT'S PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND THIS IS A, UH, PUBLIC OR PUBLIC MEETING? NO, I, I, YEAH.
SO THIS COUNTS AS A FIRST PUBLIC MEETING.
IF IT CAME BACK AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND PUBLIC MEETING.
EVEN IF IT FAILS AT THE FIRST PUBLIC MEETING, THAT THERE'S NO DISTINCTION AS TO WHAT HAPPENS AT THE MEETINGS, JUST THAT THEY'RE HELD.
AND I'M SEEING THAT IF, WHETHER IT'S, IF THIS FAILS NOW AND IT COMES BACK IN AUGUST, THE SAME QUESTION WOULD THEN BE POSED ABOUT POINTING TO READINGS.
SO I'M ASKING THE, THE, I CAN ASK THE ATTORNEY THE QUESTION.
UH, SO IF IT, IF THE, IF A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE TONIGHT FAILED, A SUBSEQUENT MOTION TO DEFER CONSIDERATION COULD BE MADE OR, OR IZE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING, UH, WHEREIN IT COULD PASS, AND THAT WOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT PUBLIC MEETINGS.
AND SO IT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE NEWLY PASSED ORDINANCE, EVEN THOUGH LEGALLY THE NEWLY PASSED ORDINANCE ISN'T IN EFFECT OF THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST.
I, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AND, UH, UH, AS WRITTEN BECAUSE THE PRIOR ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST, UH, VOTED ON WOULDN'T TAKE EFFECT FOR 30 DAYS.
SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, UH, YOUR ARMS QUESTION JUST A SECOND.
CAN I FINISH YOU? I'M JUST, OKAY.
SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AS PROPOSED BY STAFF.
UH, JESSICA, YOU HAD SOMETHING? SHE HAS A QUESTION.
I THOUGHT YOU I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION.
SO IF IT, IF A, IF A MOTION IS MADE AND FAILS, IT CAN COME UP AGAIN.
DON'T WE HAVE RULES ON RECONSIDERATION? REMIND ME OF THE RULES OF RECONSIDERATION.
BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A RECONSIDERATION.
IT, AN ACTION WAS TAKEN ON IT IF IT FAILS TONIGHT.
SO AT, AT THAT POINT, ANY, ANY, MOST, ANY MEMBER WHO WAS IN THE, IN THE PREVAILING MOTION.
SO, SO IT'D BE THE THREE THAT VOTES VOTE AGAINST IT.
IF THAT WAS THE BREAKUP, THREE THREE,
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UH, COULD MOVE FOR RECONSIDERATION.UM, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN AT A, AT A COMBINATION MOTION TO DEFER OR RECONSIDER, UH, AND SAY AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
SO IF SOMEBODY MADE A MOTION NOW TO TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, DEFER MEETING CONSIDERATION TO THE NEXT MEETING, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THE SAME RESULT AS A MOTION THAT CAME FORWARD, FAILED, AND THEN HAD TO COME UP NEXT TIME TO BE RECONSIDERED AND THEN CONSIDERED, YES.
SO, BUT IF I, BUT IF YOU, IF A MOTION WAS MADE TO DEFER AND THERE WAS A THREE, THREE SPLIT, IT WOULD LOSE
THIS IS, THIS IS WHY I ASKED LEGAL.
AND SO THEN YOU WOULD NEED A MOTION.
THIS IS WHY WE NEED RULES TO RECONSIDER TO GET IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
UH, YOU COULD THEN, UH, MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION.
IT COULD BE MADE BY SOMEONE IN THE PREVAILING SIDE AT DENIED DENY THAT COULD BE MADE.
SO, AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE ODD NUMBER COUNCILS.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, COUNCIL FERMAN HAD NO, DIDN'T PLAN ON NOT BEING HERE TONIGHT.
SO DO YOU WANT I'D RATHER HAVE HIM HERE.
UM, YOU WANT A MOTION THEN? I JUST WANNA CLEAR JUST TO OKAY.
SO IF, BUT IF WE, IF IT WERE TO FAIL WITH FOUR TO THREE, UM, THREE TO THREE, THREE TO THREE, UM, FOUR TO, WELL, EVEN IF I WAS TO SUPPORT, NOT SUPPORT THIS, NOW I'M GETTING, I'M JUST GETTING LATE.
SO TO UM, NOT SUPPORT THIS, IT WOULD THEN FAIL AND THEN IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE A RECONSIDERATION FOR A FUTURE MEETING.
OR DO WE TABLE IT NOW? SO AT, AT THIS POINT, MARY, YOU GET TO CALL ON SOMEONE TO, TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, AS YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE CHAIR OF THIS MEETING.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN CHOOSE, AND SO IT CAN BE WHATEVER MOTION, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE BY CALLING ON THE, THE CORRECT COUNSELOR.
SO NOW, SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL ME, BUT NOW I'M REALLY CONFUSED.
JESSICA, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? UM, SO I CAN MAKE A MO I COULD MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING, CORRECT? YES.
I MOVE TO DEFER THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING.
ALL IN FAVOR OF DEFERRING THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, SAY AYE.
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OKAY, ITEM EIGHT F WITH, UH, REPORTS.DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.
SO, UM, THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS COALITION MET, UH, LAST WEEK AND I JUST WANTED TO PASS ALONG SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS MENTIONED DURING, UM, THAT MEETING.
SO, UH, ANYONE WATCHING THIS, IF YOU'RE STILL OUT THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING A WINTER MASQUERADE, UM, ON THE, UM, THE 19TH OF NOVEMBER, WHICH IS A SUNDAY, 2023 FROM FIVE TO NINE AT THE ENCHANTMENTS ANASAZI BALLROOM.
AND THEY WOULD, THIS IS A MASQUERADE, SO THEY ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO BE DRESSED UP, BUT NOT INFORMAL WEAR, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO COME IN BLACK TIE AND, AND LONG GOWNS.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO HOPING THAT PEOPLE WILL, UM, DONATE SOME SILENT AUCTION MATERIALS.
YOU KNOW, PREFERABLY THINGS LIKE GIFT CERTIFICATES, UM, AND INSTEAD OF LARGE ITEMS, THOSE SORTS OF SMALL ITEMS IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
THEY ALSO ASKED FOR ME TO PASS ALONG THE FACT THAT LIKE, UM, EVERY OTHER ONE OF OUR, UM, CHARITY ORGANIZATIONS, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS.
SO IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS ARE, UM, UP TO, THEY ACTUALLY ENHANCE THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF OLDER ADULTS IN NEED.
THEY USE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES AND SERVICES IN ORDER TO HELP TRANSPORT NEIGHBORS TO MEDICAL AND OTHER APPOINTMENTS TO ANSWER THE PHONES IN THEIR CALL CENTER, TO INSTALL AND MAINTAIN A GUARDIAN ANGEL EMERGENCY ALERT UNIT IN PEOPLE'S HOMES.
INTERVIEW NEW NEIGHBORS, PROVIDE A HANDY PERSON HELP WHEN IT'S NECESSARY, HELP SHOP BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO MAKE IT OUT TO THE GROCERIES ON THEIR OWN, UM, TO HELP THEM BY DOING CHECK-INS AND GIVING THEM A FRIENDLY VOICE VIA PHONE CALLS.
AND, UM, THEY DO A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTEER IN OUR COMMUNITY, THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HELP OUT THE OLDER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE TRYING TO AGE IN PLACE.
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THANK YOU.ANY OTHER COMMITTEES? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
UH, ITEM G, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? NO.
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HEARING NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.REMEMBER WE HAVE, THERE IS AN EVENT TOMORROW, SIX O'CLOCK.
HOPEFULLY YOU'LL ALL ATTEND AND LEARN ABOUT THE, UM, EVACUATION.