Jul 18, 2023 Planning and Zoning

BUT THAT WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING.

ALRIGHT, GREAT.

UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING THAT I JUST TO SAY, WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT? UM, IT'S PART OF MY SIDEWALK SUPERINTENDENT JOB FOR THE, UM, MEY, UH, GOODROW.

I NOTICED YESTERDAY THEY RIPPED DOWN THE TREE THAT I LOBBIED TO SAVE.

OH, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT AT THE POOL.

YEAH, THEY RIPPED IT DOWN YESTERDAY.

SO, VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.

WE HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL AND HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE OWNER AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF WE, AND ALSO THERE'S NO EROSION CONTROL SET UP THERE OR AT THE RANGER SITE THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

SO, SO YEAH.

SO WE'LL MAKE SURE OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT KNOWS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO DO.

CUZ THEY DO HAVE A DEMOLITION PERMIT RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO WE'LL JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH ANY CONDITIONS OF THAT.

ANYONE ELSE?

[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]

OKAY, CLOSE THAT ITEM.

MOVE ON TO NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 6TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING.

IF, UH, THERE ARE NO CHANGES, UM, WE WILL, UH, APPROVE THOSE AS WRITTEN.

GOING ON TO NUMBER FOUR PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO ARS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H.

ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER FIVE, UPDATE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

THEN THAT ITEM WILL BE CLOSED.

[5. Update/discussion regarding the Community Plan Update. ]

YES.

SO CYNTHIA SENT ME THE UPDATE SO I COULD PROVIDE IT TO YOU.

UM, SHE SAID FIRST FOR PLAN REVISIONS THERE, THE PLANNING STAFF IS WORKING THROUGH THE PLAN TO REVISE IT AND WORKING HARD AT THAT.

UM, AS FAR AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THERE IS GOING TO BE, SHE SAID A SUBSET OF THE WORK GROUP, UM, HEADED BY LINDA MARTINEZ AND MARY GARLAND, ARE HOSTING A SERIES OF COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS, WHICH SMALLER, LESS FORMAL MEETINGS.

SO WE'LL FOCUS ON HOUSING AND COMMUNITY.

THE FIRST OF THOSE IS GOING TO BE THE SPANISH MEETING.

IT'S GOING TO BE ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON AT ST.

JOHN VIANNEY CHURCH.

UM, AND THERE'LL BE A SECOND MEETING NEXT TUESDAY ON THE 25TH.

I DO NOT HAVE THE DATES OR THE LOCATIONS FOR THOSE.

I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE HAS MORE INFORMATION ON THOSE.

NO.

BUT THEN THEY'RE ALSO PLANNING A SERIES OF FIVE MEETINGS.

AUGUST 21ST THROUGH THE 30TH.

AT LEAST ONE WILL BE IN SPANISH.

AND CYNTHIA WILL SEND YOU THE SCHEDULE OF THOSE ONE AND THE TOPICS ONCE SHE HAS THOSE.

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DID YOU SAY THE FIRST ONE IS ON AUGUST FIVE? NO, FIVE MEETINGS AUGUST 21ST THROUGH THE 30TH.

AND SHE'LL SEND THAT OUT? YEAH.

AND THE NEXT WORK GROUP MEETING IS JULY 26TH.

WHERE AND WHEN? WHERE AND WHEN? I DON'T KNOW.

DOES STEVE KNOW? HUH? NO, SHE DIDN'T LET ME KNOW THAT.

IT'S PROBABLY ON THE WEBSITE.

ANYTHING MORE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE, EXCEPT I JUST FEEL LIKE I MESSED UP ALL OF THE COMPUTER STUFF.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT THAT AGENDA ITEM FOR STAFF? NOPE.

WE'LL CLOSE THAT AND GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES.

[6.a. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding an approval of an amendment to a previously-approved Development Review to modify the design (rooflines) of the buildings at 220 Sunset Drive (Sunset Lofts). The property is zoned Commercial (CO) and Medium-High Density Multifamily (RM-2), is approximately 2.22 acres, and is located southeast of the intersection of State Route 89A and Sunset Drive. APN: 408-26-030C. Case Number: PZ21-00018 (DEV Amend) Applicant: suoLL Architects (Caroline Lobo)]

PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION.

POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO MODIFY THE DESIGN ROOF LINES.

OH, THE BUILDINGS AT TWO 20 SUNSET DRIVE SUNSET LOFTS.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONE COMMERCIAL AND MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY IS APPROXIMATELY 2.2 ACRES AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 89 AND SUNSET.

DRIVE.

PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 DASH 26 DASH 0 3 0 C.

CASE NUMBER PZ 21 DASH ZERO 18 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AMENDMENT.

THE APPLICANT IS S U O L L ARCHITECTS REPRESENTED BY CAROLINE LOBO.

UM, LYNN, DID THAT SH SCREEN SHARE WORK? CAN YOU SEE THIS? IT DID NOT.

OH.

LEMME TRY ONE MORE TIME.

CAN YOU SEE IT NOW? I CAN'T.

I WONDER IF YOU SHOULD MOVE THE CAMERA TO THE SCREEN, WHICH I CAN SEE YEAH, THAT THAT WORKS.

BOW TECH HERE.

AND I CAN STILL SEE ALL OF YOU TOO, SO IT'S GOOD.

A REMINDER, THIS WAS THE APPROVED DESIGN WITH THE SLOPED ROOFS AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO GO TO FLAT ROOFS.

SO, UM, AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED APPLICATION FOR THE SUNSET LOFTS PROJECT.

UM, THE, THE CHAIR READ MOST OF THIS INFORMATION, BUT LAST, JUST AS A REMINDER, LAST FALL, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR A 46 UNIT APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT ON SUNSET DRIVE, UM, AT WHEN THE PERMITS CAME IN FOR BUILDING PERMITS AS WE WERE REVIEWING THEM, WE DID NOTE THAT, UM, THAT THE ROOF LINES HAD, UM, CHANGED FROM THE SLOPED ROOF THAT YOU SAW DURING THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

WHILE STAFF DOES HAVE SOME ABILITY TO, UM, CHANGE SOME MINOR THINGS AS PROJECTS GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, WE FELT THAT THE CHANGE TO THE ROOF LINES WAS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH THAT WE DID WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU, UH, FOR REVIEW, JUST, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CHECKING ALL THE RIGHT BOXES AND MAKING SURE THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF CHANGES.

THE DEVELOPER, UM, KEITH BIN IS ACTUALLY HERE REPRESENTING THE PROJECT TONIGHT.

UM, AND THEY'VE SAID THAT AS THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE PROJECT AND TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO REDUCE THE COST OF THE BUILDING, THIS WAS, UM, THE CHANGE OF THE ROOF LINES WAS ONE AREA THAT THEY FELT THAT COULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, UM, IMPACT IN A GOOD WAY ON THE COST OF THE PROJECT.

UM, SO THIS PROJECT IS AGAIN LOCATED ON SUNSET DRIVE.

YOU HAVE WALGREENS AND NATURAL GROCERS UP ALONG THE HIGHWAY, HARKINS.

SO IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THERE.

THE AERIAL IS STILL A VACANT LOT WITH THE WASH IN THE BACK.

AND THE, UH, SITE PLAN FOR THIS HAS NOT CHANGED.

SO THE BUILDINGS ARE STILL THE SAME SHAPE IN THE SAME LOCATIONS.

THE DRAINAGE IS STILL ALL THE SAME.

PARKING LOT IS LAID OUT THE SAME WAY AS JUST THE ROOF LINES THAT, UM, IS PROPOSED FOR THE CHANGE.

UM, SO AS

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UM, AS YOU MAY KNOW, WHEN YOU DO A SLOPED ROOF IN THE CITY, YOU DO GET SOME ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, UM, UP TO THE RIDGE LINE TO ALLOW FOR SOME ROOF LINE VARIATION, WHICH THEY HAD APPLIED FOR IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE FLAT ROOF THEY NO LONGER HAVE THOSE THAT INCREASE.

AND SO THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THIS IS, IS LOWER IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING.

THE EAVES KIND OF THE, ALONG THE EDGES OF THE BUILDING, THEY'RE MAYBE A COUPLE INCHES OFF BECAUSE AGAIN, AS IT SLIPS DOWN, WE WOULD MEASURE HEIGHT TO THE RIDGE LINES.

BUT YOU KNOW, NOW INSTEAD OF COMING UP AND HITTING UH, 0.5 FEET HIGHER, IT JUST GOES FLAT ACROSS.

AND SO THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE REDUCED.

BUT AGAIN, ON THE EDGES IT'S ABOUT THE SAME.

UM, THEY DID ALSO PROVIDE THESE PERSPECTIVES WHICH WERE PROVIDED TO YOU YESTERDAY.

AGAIN, THESE ARE THE APPROVED PERSPECTIVES OR PERSPEC YEAH.

PERSPECTIVES.

AND THIS IS WITH THE FLAT ROOFS.

AND SO THESE ARE, UM, ALL WITH THE SAME ORIENTATION AND SAME SCALE.

SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, THE ROOF LINES DO DROP DOWN.

THE ORIGINAL PLAN DID HAVE THE AC UNITS LOCATED WITHIN THE TRUSSES OF THE ROOF.

AND SO NOW THEY WILL BE ROOFTOP UNITS.

UM, THEY WILL BE SCREENED.

WE WENT THROUGH AND MADE SURE THAT THE SCREENING, THERE IS SOME ABILITY TO GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER WITH THE SCREENING FOR AC UNITS, BUT THAT IS LIMITED TO A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE ROOF AND IT NEEDS TO BE MORE IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING, UM, SET BACK FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROOF SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME MM-HMM.

IMPACT AS IF IT WAS RIGHT ON THE EDGE.

SO MM-HMM.

, THERE'S THE SCREENING UNITS EITHER MEET HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OR THEY MEET THE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED.

UM, SO THE ONLY, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS FOUND TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UM, WE DID NOT REREVIEW THE WHOLE THING, WE JUST RE-REVIEWED THE HEIGHTS CUZ THAT WAS WHAT WAS CHANGING.

AND AGAIN, WE DID MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL COMPLY.

NOTHING ELSE CHANGED WITH THE PROJECT.

SO ALL OF OUR ORIGINAL FINDINGS FOR COMPLIANCE WOULD STILL BE APPLICABLE.

UM, WE HAVE HAD THE DOCUMENTS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND HAVE NOTICED THE NEIGHBORS, THE, UM, I THINK THERE WAS ONE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU WITH YOUR PACKET AND ONE WAS, UM, ADDED TO THE WEBSITE AND YOU WERE ALERTED TO THAT YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.

UM, WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THOSE TWO.

AND SO AGAIN, WE ARE, UH, AS I SAID, ALL THE ORIGINAL FINDINGS ARE STILL APPLICABLE.

UM, ALL THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS DESIGN CHANGE WOULD STILL BE APPLICABLE IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO APPROVE THIS CHANGE.

AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS BE APPROVED.

WE ARE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND KEITH IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.

UH, MR. HOLMAN, COULD YOU TAKE A SEAT NEAR CARRIE IN CASE ANY OF US, UM, WANT TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS AS WELL AS STAFF? THANK YOU.

SO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT THIS AMENDED DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.

I'VE GOT A FEW.

UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

UH, CARRIE, CAN YOU, UH, GIVE US SOME BACKGROUND REVIEW AGAIN IN TERMS OF HOW THE DEVELOPER IN SEDONA ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS PROJECT? UM, I THINK MAYBE KURT OR THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE BETTER EQUIPPED FOR THAT.

I HAVEN'T OH, I, I CAN FILL YOU, UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

SO, UH, THE CITY HAS AGREED TO, UH, PAY UP TO 4.2 MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, FOR THE, THE LIFE OF THE, THE, THE TERM AND THE LOAN.

IT'S A, IT'S A LOAN, 4.2 MILLION LOAN, UM, OR 50 YEARS.

UH, WAS IS THE EXPECTED LIFESPAN OF THAT TIME PERIOD.

UM, AS PART OF THAT, THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, UH, AND THAT'S WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.

UH, THERE'S A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT COMING TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT ADDITIONAL TIME, UH, CUZ THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS COMPLETED IN JULY, 2021.

SO IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL TIME PERIOD FOR CONSTRUCTION.

THIS WILL EXTEND THE PERIOD, ANOTHER NINE MONTHS TO ALLOW THEM TO START CONSTRUCTION.

UM, UH, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THAT ON AUGUST 8TH, SO THAT AMENDMENT'S COMING.

ANY OTHER SPECIFICS? SO THAT WAS ANTICIPATED AT THAT TIME TO BE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECTS, UH, BECAUSE OF, IN THE REALLY HIGH INFLATION AND COVID, THE, THE COST OF THE PROJECT HAS GONE UP A LOT MORE.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PART OF THE DELAY.

I UNDERSTAND FROM, FROM THE

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DEVELOPER.

UM, CARRIE, I, I KINDA DROVE AROUND TOWN A LITTLE BIT TODAY.

SO TO ME THE PROJECT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THE, THE PINON LOFTS PROJECT WITH FLAT ROOFS.

MM-HMM.

AIR HANDLING EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOFS WITH PARAPETS TO KINDA, UH, COVER UP THE AC UNITS.

MM-HMM.

SO IS THIS, WOULD YOU CONSIDER SIMILAR CONCEPT? YEAH, SIMILAR, YEAH.

BECAUSE THERE, IT LOOKED LIKE THE PARAPET WALLS WERE PRETTY WELL, UH, COVERING UP MOST OF THE AIR HANDLING UNITS AND I WOULD THINK THAT WITH THE SETBACK INTO THE CENTER OF THE ROOF, THAT THIS WOULD ALSO BE, UH, SIMILARLY.

THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE DO ALLOW THE AC UNITS TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER WITH THAT SETBACK BECAUSE YEAH, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING ONCE YOU VIEW FROM THE GROUND GENERALLY IS NOT VISIBLE.

UM, SO WITH 46 UNITS, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SOUND LEVELS FROM THE AIR HANDLING UNITS? IS THERE LIMITATION ON DECIBELS? I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING.

I MEAN, PINYON LOSS IS 45 UNITS AND YOU KNOW, KEITH OWNS THAT ONE AS WELL.

SO ASSUMING THAT ALL OF YOUR TENANTS THERE OKAY.

WITH THE NOISE, I MEAN, I'M, I'M THINKING MORE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS, NOT THE YEAH, WE HAVEN'T HEARD, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE AC UNITS AT PENNY AND LOSS FROM OKAY.

ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS.

UM, SWING THAT MICROPHONE AROUND.

SO CAN, CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE, EXCUSE ME JUST A MINUTE.

UM, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD.

KEITH HOLDEN, SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA.

YES, MADAM CHAIR.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SURE.

SO, UM, I KNOW, UH, EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS SOLD AS BEING QUIET, UH, BUT I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AFTER THREE OR FOUR YEARS, UH, THE AIR HANDLING'S NOT NECESSARILY CONTINUE TO STAY QUIET.

SO, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING TO BE DONE FOR ATTENUATION OF SOUND FROM THESE UNITS? UM, COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THE OUTSIDE UNITS? THE CONDENSING UNIT? YES.

PORTIONS? YES.

YEAH, SO THE CONDEN THE AIR HANDLERS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, IN THE CEILING OF THE UNITS INSIDE THE CONDENSING UNITS ON THE EXTERIOR.

THOSE HAVE, THOSE HAVE A FAN UNIT, UH, TO THEM AS WELL.

UM, TYPICALLY WE DO NOT FIND THEM TO BE AN ISSUE WITH NOISE, UM, WHEN THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE ROOF MOUNTED, UM, THAT, THAT'S OUR BEST LOCATION FOR THEM FOR NOISE.

MATTER OF FACT, WHEN PART OF OUR ASSESSMENT IT WAS WITH THE PITCH ROOF IS WE HAD, UH, UNITS LOCATED AT GROUND LEVEL AND THEY WERE HAD TO BE LOCATED IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.

IF YOU LOOK AT AERIAL VIEW NUMBER ONE, THEY HAD TO BE LOCATED IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND THAT'S OUR ONLY REALLY, UM, ACTIVE OPEN SPACE IN THERE.

AND THAT ANALYSIS YIELD THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, NOISE LEVEL WITH THAT MANY, UH, CONDENSING UNITS WOULD BE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL IN AN AREA THAT WE WANT RESIDENTS TOJO ENJOY.

SO THAT WAS ONE REASON THAT WE WANTED TO MOVE THEM TO ROOF MOUNTED.

SO CARRIE, CAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, UH, IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, UH, HOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT GOES FROM 22 FOOT TO 27 FOOT WITH THE LRVS PLAYING A FACTOR THERE? COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME, HOW THAT WORKS? YEAH, SO DARKER PAINT COLORS AND MORE, UH, SMALLER UN BUILDING PLANES, UM, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WAYS TO QUOTE UNQUOTE EARN ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WITH THE IDEA THAT DARKER COLORS AND MORE, UM, INTEREST IN THE BUILDING THAT CREATES MORE SHADOW LINES CREATES, TAKES UP LESS VISUAL SPACE.

AND SO THAT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS HAVE THOSE ABILITIES IF THEY APPLY ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS CORRECTLY.

UM, AND THEN THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF MM-HMM.

, THERE'S ANOTHER EIGHT FOOT ALLOWANCE FOR THAT.

THEY DID NOT USE THE FULL EIGHT FOOT FOR THIS, BUT IT'S, YEAH, IF YOU'RE KIND OF GROUPING THE UNITS AT THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THAT SETBACK FROM THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING, UM, UP TO 5% OF YOUR TOTAL BUILDING FOOTPRINT CAN GO UP A LITTLE HIGHER IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE UNITS.

COULD POSSIBLY BE, UH, 34, 35 FOOT HIGH? YEAH.

SO THE TOP OF THESE UNITS

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WHEN WE REVIEWED THE HEIGHTS, I BELIEVE THE MOST ANY OF THEM NEEDED FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ABOVE THE STANDARD HEIGHT WAS MAYBE TWO OR THREE FEET.

SO AROUND 30 FOOT? YEAH, THEREABOUTS AT THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING.

CHARLOTTE, I, I HAD THE, I HAD THE SAME INITIAL QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, THIS IS BEING DONE IN AN EFFORT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THE COST DOWN.

ARE YOU AT FINAL BID YET? I MEAN, IS THIS AN ITERATION? MIGHT THERE BE OTHER ITERATIONS WITH OTHER CHANGES? UM, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

UM, SO THIS, THIS IS IT.

WE'VE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR BUILDING PERMITS.

THE PLANS ARE DONE, WE'RE MAKING THIS, UH, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE'LL MAKE THIS ROOF MODIFICATION, UH, AND RESUBMIT FOR OUR PERMITS ON THIS.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY WELL DOWN THE ROAD AS FAR AS, UH, BIDDING THE PROJECT.

WE ARE IN THE BIDDING PROCESS NOW.

MOST OF THAT IS COMPLETE.

UM, UH, SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT AS WELL.

AND, UM, TO ADDRESS AT LEAST A COUPLE OF THE LETTERS, I THINK, WHAT IS THE CEILING HEIGHT OF THE, WITHIN THE UNITS? UH, I BELIEVE THEY'RE, UM, THE CEILING HEIGHT WOULD BE NINE FEET, UM, BETWEEN EIGHT, SIX AND NINE FEET FOR THE CEILING HEIGHT.

UM, OKAY.

AND THEN DARN, I HAD ANOTHER ONE I, OH, UM, FOR THIS MIGHT BE FOR CARRIE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO AND, AND THIS WAS GOING TO BE DEEMED AS BEING COMMERCIAL? YEAH, SO THE NORTHERN TWO THIRDS, THE THREE QUARTERS OF THE SITE IS ZONED COMMERCIAL.

AND SO PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THAT WE AGREED TO APPLY COMMERCIAL STANDARDS TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE RATHER THAN TRYING TO MIX MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL.

ONE OF THE MAIN ONE AS FAR AS HIGH GOES IS THAT, UM, MULTIFAMILY HAS A LIMIT FROM THE HIGH SIDE OF THE LOT, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE NORTH END.

UM, IF WE TRIED TO, IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE LOW SIDE.

SO AS THE GROUND SLOPES DOWN, UM, THERE'S NOT A RESTRICTION ON HEIGHT FROM THAT SIDE.

IT'S THE SAME FOR MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL.

AND SO IF WE WOULD HAVE APPLIED THE MULTI-FAMILY STANDARDS, IT WAS THE QUESTION OF WHERE IN THAT BUILDING, BECAUSE THAT NORTHERN PART IS COMMERCIAL, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'D HAVE TO STEP DOWN AND IT REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE BUILDING HEIGHTS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SITE.

NO, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU MELDED THE TWO, BUT, UM, I THINK WHEN WE LAST SAW THIS MM-HMM.

, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS IF THIS HAD BEEN A TOTALLY COMMERCIAL BUILDING, ANOTHER WALGREENS OR SOMETHING BUILT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A HIGHER, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A HIGHER BUILDING.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT AND IS THAT STILL, IF THIS WAS A WALL, IT COULD BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THIS.

THIS IS NOT TALLER THAN NO.

WOULD IT? YEAH, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.

I THINK THAT THEY DID NOT TAKE IT, THEY DID NOT MAX OUT THE HEIGHTS THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BUILDING.

CUZ AGAIN, AS THE MASSING REQUIRES IT TO STEP UP, THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING THAT DON'T HIT EXACTLY THAT 27 FEET.

BUT THERE ARE PORTIONS OF EACH ONE THAT DO.

SO, AND THEN JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION.

UM, SO WE HAVE WHAT'S BROUGHT TO US, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT, UH, VARIATION MM-HMM.

, BUT AS YOU SAID ADMINISTRATIVELY YOU CAN MAKE, YOU CAN APPROVE OTHER ONES.

ARE THERE OTHER ONES JUST OUT OF INTEREST, UM, THAT ARE BEING MADE IN, IN THE INTERESTS OF COST EFFICIENCY TO THIS PROJECT? I THINK THE ONLY OTHER ONES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IS MAYBE SOME CHANGES TO THE PLANT LIST.

WE WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, STILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING THE NATIVE PLANT QUANTITIES AND ALL THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES GO, THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES.

SO YOU GOT AS FAR AS YOU NEEDED TO GET JUST WITH THE ROOF CHANGE.

GOOD FOR YOU.

I THINK SO THAT WAS EASIER.

THAT'S IT.

NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

LYNN? NO, NO QUESTIONS.

NO FURTHER ONES OKAY.

ON THIS END WILL NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

UH, REMIND ME, IS THIS 46 UNITS? YES.

PORTION OF THIS MEETING AND, UM, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

OH, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.

THEN I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING

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YOU'LL COME TO THE, UH, PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

I JUST HAVE ONE CARD AT THIS TIME, AND THAT'S FROM RICK COHEN.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

HI.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO SPEAK, UH, AT THE OUTSET.

I'VE BEEN HERE 25 YEARS IN SEDONA AT THE OUTSET.

MR. COHEN, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS RICK COHEN AND I AM A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.

I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT 25 YEARS AND AT THE OUTSET I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I'VE, UM, SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.

THE CITY'S A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE AND, UH, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO ME BECAUSE I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET.

I I HAVE TALKED WITH A NUMBER OF MY FRIENDS IN THE SEDONA AREA, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE RESIDENCE OF WHERE I LIVE IN SUNSET VILLAGE ACROSS THE STREET AT THE OUTSET, I WANT TO SAY THAT PERSONALLY I AM DEFINITELY A SUPPORTER OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, SUSTAINABLE HOUSING AS ASSISTED HOUSING, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE WANT TO CALL IT.

NOWADAYS, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I'M SURE CHECK SOME OF THOSE BOXES.

THE DENSITY IS SIGNIFICANT IN COMPARISON TO WHAT OTHER PROJECTS ARE IN THE CITY.

THERE'S DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ENOUGH PARKING.

THE HEIGHT IS ABOVE NORMAL FOR MOST RESIDENTIAL OR MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS.

AND THE CITY HAS MADE A VERY BIG EFFORT AND AN ENORMOUS FINANCIAL POSITION TO TRY AND MAKE THIS PROJECT COME TO FRUITION.

I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS WHEN I TALK TO MY NEIGHBORS IS THE DIFFERENCE, THE VISUAL DIFFERENCE.

AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE REVIEWED THE PREVIOUS AND THEN, UM, WHICH WAS A VERY NICE LOOKING BUILDING WITH THE ROOF LINES THE WAY THEY WERE.

AND NOW WHAT I COULD HAVE BEEN A, A VERY NICE LOOKING BUILDING SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN VERY FLATTENED AND IT'S NOT GOT THE SAME AESTHETIC APPEAL.

IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH OR WE WERE SHOWN ONE THING AND NOW TOWARDS THE END OF TIME WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, VERY DIFFERENT FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US ARE QUALIFIED REALLY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE SOUND DIFFERENCES MAY BE.

AND THE SOUND DIFFERENCES WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT ACTUALLY ARE AT, UM, PINON LOFTS BECAUSE MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT ARE MUCH CLOSER.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE PIN PINON LOFTS ARE, THERE'S LARGELY COMMERCIAL AROUND THERE.

AND HERE YOU HAVE, UM, HUNDREDS OF HOMES AND DOZENS OF APARTMENTS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.

SO THE CHANGE IN THE ROOF LINE IS NOT ONLY VISUAL, BUT HAS A POTENTIAL TO HAVE SOME MORE NOISE.

UM, OKAY.

AND I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, BUT I HAVE, UH, 28, UH, SIGNATURES FROM RESIDENCE OF SUNSET VILLAGE THAT HAVE UNDERSIGNED STATING THAT THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THE NEW CHANGES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU COULD, UM, IF YOU'LL JUST HAND THEM OFF TO GREAT DONNA OVER THERE.

THANKS FOR ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK THAT HASN'T FILLED OUT A CARD YET.

NO.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION.

THERE ARE NONE.

THE DESIGN IN, IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UM, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH MR. COHEN ABOUT THE AESTHETICS OF GOING FROM PITCH ROOFS TO FLAT ROOFS, BUT I UNDERSTAND ON THE OTHER HAND THAT IT'S A COST ISSUE.

AND IF THIS MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 52, UH, 50 46 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN UM, I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO NEED TO APPROVE IT.

BUT I AM, I'M SORRY THAT IT HAS MEANT THAT IT'S CHANGED

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UM, AND JUST HAD TO SAY THAT.

SO, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION.

UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN I JUST, UH, ECHO WHAT YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE, AND I APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT MR. COHEN MADE THE ARGUMENT.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT IN THIS CASE, THE NEED ACTUALLY OUTWEIGHS, UM, OUTWEIGHS THE VISUAL.

BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE IT, GEORGE.

I, I WOULD, UH, AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT POINT THAT, UM, IF I WERE ACROSS THE STREET, I MIGHT HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS, UH, WITH THE WAY THE PROJECT IS LAID OUT.

HOWEVER, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE, UH, THE 46 UNITS, THERE ARE 16 OF THE UNITS THAT HAVE DIRECT FRONTAGE ONTO SUNSET DRIVE.

UH, THE REMAINDER UNITS, UH, FACE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH OR THE SWALE TO THE EAST.

SO I MEAN, IT, IT'S SOMEWHAT MITIGATED THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AS MANY UNITS RIGHT ON SUNSET DRIVE.

UM, FORTUNATELY NOT ALL 46 UNITS ARE THERE, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT, UM, REDUCES THE ISSUE SOMEWHAT.

BUT I, I COULD APPRECIATE, UM, THE CONCERNS.

ANYONE ELSE? UM, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS PROJECT.

IT, THE CURRENT ATMOSPHERE OF DEVELOPMENT IS NOT FRIENDLY.

AND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE MADE THE EFFORT TO CONTINUE WITH THE INCREASE OF COSTS AT SOME LOSSES IS, I MEAN, IT, IT SPEAKS TO YOUR INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN A VERY EASY P PROJECT TO SAY NO TO BECAUSE I'M GUESSING YOU'RE NOT MAKING AS MUCH MONEY ON IT AS MANY OF YOUR OTHER PROJECTS CONSIDERING THE TYPE AND THE FUNDING.

UH, WE NEED IT AS DOES MANY DO MANY PLACES.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR STICKING OUT THE TURBULENCE.

I HOPE IT'S WORTH YOUR WHILE AND I HOPE IT REALLY SUPPORTS OUR COMMUNITY IN THE WAY THAT WE ALL HOPE IT DOES.

WELL SAID.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, I'LL GO BACK TO ASKING FOR A MOTION.

I GOT IT.

I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 21 DASH ZERO 18, UH, DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, SUNSET LOFTS 2023 AMENDMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS OF COMPLIANCE AND WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND SATISFACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THE CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

I SECOND, I'LL SECOND.

AYE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU LYNN.

UH, THE MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO, EXCUSE ME.

SEVEN, ZERO.

MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. SO AS I STATED IN THE EMAIL I SENT OUT LAST WEEK, WE ARE, UM, DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE AUGUST 1ST, UM, DATE.

MR. HOLMAN.

[7. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]

SO WE WILL NOT HAVE THAT MEETING.

THAT'S AUGUST, THAT'S THE RIGHT DATE, RIGHT? I DON'T HAVE THE DATE IN FRONT OF ME .

UM, AUGUST 15TH, UM, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT MAY BE COMING FORWARD WITH SOME SMALL CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES DRAINAGE SECTION TO REFERENCE SOME NEW PLANS THAT THEY HAVE.

SO NOTHING, THE, THE CODE CURRENTLY REFERENCES A 1994 STUDY AND THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO BE UPDATED TO REFERENCE THEIR MOST RECENT STUDY.

UM, WELL, I CERTAINLY HOPE SARAH AND, UM, GEORGIA AT THAT MEETING.

SO WE'LL KNOW IF WE HAVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED FROM THEM IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS AND OKAY.

AND THEN WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, ALL RIGHT.

BY THE END OF THE WEEK IF THAT MEETING IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM YOU EXPECT FOR THAT DATE? YES.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNLESS, OKAY.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

AND THERE WON'T BE ONE EARLY SEPTEMBER.

THAT'S RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WOULD GO FROM THIS ONE TO MID-SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO, UM, YEAH, THE, THE FIRST MEETING OF SEPTEMBER IS THE WEEK OF LABOR DAY, AND THERE'S THE PLANNING CONFERENCE THAT WEEK.

SO THAT LIKELY WON'T HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S NOT ON THE LIST OF DATES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

SO I DON'T WANNA GET IN TROUBLE, BUT IT'S A FUTURE MEETING DATE THAT WE'LL NOT, WE WILL NOT BE MEETING ON THAT DATE.

SO FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT AREN'T ATTENDING THAT CONFERENCE, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.

ANYTHING ELSE?

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SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A COMMENT.

THANK YOU CARRIE.