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          THE ONLY REASON 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
WE HAVE IT MUTED OFF IS JUST SO, ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE, IF YOU'RE NOT READY. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          WELCOME TO THE OUR CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON THE UPDATE, UH, FOR THE, UH, SEDONA MOTION. 
          UH, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU DO THE ROLE, PLEASE? WELL, MAYOR BLO, PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR LTZ? HERE. 
          COUNCILOR FURMAN. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR KINSELLA? HERE. 
          COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. 
          HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 
          I HAVE DUE TO PUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, JUSTICE. 
          AND WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY, 
          [3.a. AB #2378 Presentation/discussion/possible direction regarding the Sedona In Motion program]
LET'S MOVE ON TO SPECIAL BUSINESS ITEM THREE, AB 2378 PRESENTATION. 
          DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE SEDONA IN MOTION PROGRAM. 
          THIS WILL BE FOR AN UPDATE ON THE TR UH, ITEM ONE WOULD BE THE SEDONA MOTION TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. 
          WHO IS GOING TO BE, THAT'S KURT. 
          YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT? YES. 
          UH, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE QUESTIONS? UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE MULTIPLE SECTIONS OR AS WE'RE GOING ALONG, OR YOU WANNA, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          WE'D LIKE TO HAVE QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG SINCE IT'S SUCH A LENGTHY PRESENTATION. 
          AND IF WE HOLD QUESTIONS, WE AFRAID WE'D MO LOSE THINGS. 
          AND THEN I HAVE, UH, IN OUR TIME TO ACTUALLY CATCH UP ON OTHERS BETWEEN STAFF. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GONNA KICK OFF WITH ANDREW BARRETT OF KIMLEY HORN, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO JEREMIAH FOR THE GARAGE, AND THEN WE WILL TRANSFER INTO STAFF, UH, WITH BOB, WHO WILL TALK ABOUT ONGOING PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN, UH, BOB WOULD FOLLOW UP ON ANY GARAGE QUESTIONS FOR US, QUESTIONS AND SO ON. 
          AND THEN WE'LL GET TO, UH, DANTE AND SANDRA AND I'LL FINISH UP THE END. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THAT BEING SAID, OKAY. 
          SHOW'S YOURS KICKOFF. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          WE WANT, UM, ANDY'S GONNA, ANDY WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE FIRST SLIDE, INTRODUCE THESE FIRST PROJECT, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS UPDATE IS THE MORE IN DEPTH SIM UPDATE THAT WE GIVE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE LIKE TO KIND OF RECAP WHERE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN. 
          SO JUST TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS, THIS SLIDE SHOULD BE UPDATED. 
          AND THIS IS A, UH, A LITTLE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAD WITH, UH, SOME OF OUR TECHNOLOGY. 
          AND SO I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU A COUPLE NUMBERS THAT, THAT HAVE CHANGED. 
          BUT, UM, MAINLY WE STARTED THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, UH, EFFORT BACK IN 2016. 
          WE COMPLETED THAT, UM, MASTER PLAN EFFORT IN 2018. 
          AS A REMINDER, IN, IN, UM, MARCH OF THAT SAME YEAR, WE IMPLEMENTED THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX. 
          AND THEN WE COMPLETED OUR FIRST PROJECT IN 2019, WHICH WAS A SIM 11, WHICH IS THE BIKE AND PED STRATEGY, UM, TYPE PROJECT. 
          THEN IN OCTOBER OF 2020, WE COMPLETED THE SOUTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS IN UPTOWN, WHICH WAS CEM ONE A. 
          AND ONE THING THAT SHOULD BE ADDED HERE IS THAT IN SIM, UH, SIM ONE B I SHOULD SAY, WAS COMPLETED IN, UH, FEBRUARY OF 2023. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          THEN, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE ARE IN THE, UH, TRANSIT STRATEGY. 
          SO IN DECEMBER OF 2020, ROBERT, WHO, UH, JUST JOINED US, THANK YOU, ROBERT WAS HIRED. 
          AND THEN IN MARCH OF 2022, WE HAD ACCELERATED THE, THE LAUNCH OF THE TRANSIT TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE SYSTEM. 
          AND, UM, IT STARTED AT THAT POINT. 
          THEN, JUST TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE PROJECTS 
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THAT WE'VE COMPLETED IN THE GRAPHS THERE, THIS IS KIND OF THE START THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE MADE ON A DASHBOARD FOR THE SIM PROGRAM. 
          ANDREW'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          THERE'S A BIGGER EFFORT BEING MADE, UM, TO CREATE A DASHBOARD WHICH WILL BE LINKED UP TO SOME OF OUR, UH, WEBPAGES AND, AND OTHER COMMUNICATION MATERIAL. 
          SO GOING THROUGH PROJECTS PER FISCAL YEAR IN F Y 19, WE'VE COMPLETE, WE COMPLETED TWO PROJECTS THAT YEAR. 
          IN 2020. 
          WE WERE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF PLANNING EFFORT. 
          WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY COMPLETE A PROJECT THAT YEAR, BUT AS WE GOT INTO 21, WE WERE UP TO THREE PROJECTS AND THEN EIGHT PROJECTS IN 2020. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT'S ONE OF THE NUMBERS THAT NEEDED TO BE UPDATED. 
          IN F Y 23. 
          WE COMPLETED SEVEN PROJECTS AND F Y 24, WE COMPLETED THE 10 SHOWN THERE. 
          AND GOING, UH, BY STRATEGY, WE HAVE COMPLETED THREE PROJECTS IN SIEM ONE. 
          NOW, UM, AND, AND THIS I SHOULD CLARIFY, THIS IS PROJECTING THROUGH F Y 24 THROUGH THE END OF F Y 24. 
          SO BY THAT POINT, WE WILL HAVE COMPLETED THREE PROJECTS IN SIM ONE, WHICH ARE THE UPTOWN, UH, PROJECTS IN, IN THAT, IN THAT STRATEGY. 
          SIM TWO WON'T GO THROUGH THAT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE NEAR TERM, UH, IN PROCESS IN, IN SIM THREE. 
          THIS WAS THE WAY FINDING, UM, PROJECT THAT WE'VE, THAT WE COMPLETED. 
          AND THEN, UH, SIM FOUR, WE WILL HAVE COMPLETED TWO PROJECTS BY THE END OF F Y 24. 
          THAT'S THE Y MODERN MODERNIZATION AND THE PEDESTRIAN AND CROSSING AT OAK CREEK. 
          THEN SIM FIVE THREE OF THE MAJOR ROADWAY CONNECTION PROJECTS WILL BE COMPLETE SIM EIGHT, THAT'S OUR TRANSIT PROJECTS, AND ROBERT WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          BUT BY THE END OF F Y 24, WE WILL HAVE COMPLETED FIVE PROJECTS IN THAT STRATEGY. 
          AND THEN SI 11, WE WILL HAVE COMPLETED 13 PROJECTS AND SIM 12. 
          BY THE END OF F Y 24, WE WILL HAVE, UH, COMPLETED THREE PROJECTS. 
          SO NOW I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO ANDREW AND HE WILL GO THROUGH OUR GENERAL SIM. 
          THANK YOU ANDY. 
          SO JUST FOR, UH, ANOTHER INTRODUCTION, ANDREW BAIRD WITH KIMLEY HORN, PROJECT MANAGER OUT OF THE PRESCOTT OFFICE. 
          MOST OF YOU KNOW ME FROM PAST PRESENTATIONS ON SIM. 
          I THINK OUR LAST ONE WAS MAY OF LAST YEAR. 
          UH, I'M THE ROADWAY PROJECT MANAGER ON SEVERAL OF THE, THE CURRENT SIM PROJECTS THAT ARE IN DESIGN AND OR GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, AS KURT MENTIONED, I'LL BE GIVING THE SIM OVERVIEW. 
          AS, AS WE KNOW, PART OF SIM IS PARKING STRATEGY. 
          SO THERE IS A SEPARATE DISCUSSION THAT JEREMIAH SIMPSON, UH, PARTNER OUT OF THE DENVER OFFICE WHO IS OUR PARKING EXPERT, HE'LL BE GIVING A, A PRESENTATION TALKING SPECIFIC THE UPTOWN PARKING STUDY. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE IN MY PRESENTATION THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME REFERENCES TO, UM, PARKING GARAGE ON HOLD AND, AND PARKING ANALYSIS AND STUDY. 
          BUT MOST OF THE QUESTIONS PERTAIN TO THAT SHOULD, SHOULD OCCUR WHILE JEREMIAH IS, IS PRESENTING. 
          UH, ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE IS, I WAS JUST THINKING OF THIS ON THE WAY OVER HERE. 
          WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT OR THE SIM PROGRAM REALLY SINCE THE MASTER PLAN STARTED IN 2016, AS ANDY ALLUDED TO. 
          UH, AND WHILE I'M ABLE TO COME HERE AND PRESENT UPDATES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WE REALLY HAVE, THIS HAS BECOME A FIRM WIDE APPROACH TO REALLY TRYING TO SOLVE SEDONAS CONGESTION PROBLEMS. THE, THE VIS MODEL, WHICH IS THE TRAFFIC MODEL THAT I'LL SHOW SEVERAL VIDEOS OF THAT WE USE TO LOOK AT IMPROVED CONGESTION WITH, UH, IMPLEMENTED PROJECTS THAT, UH, AS YOU MAY RECALL, TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, UH, HAMZA KHAN OUT OF OUR OUR DALLAS OFFICE, HE'S A VIS EXPERT. 
          HE WAS ONE WHO INITIALLY SET UP THE MODEL. 
          AND THEN WE HAD ONE OF OUR TRUE VIS SPECIALISTS OUT OF BALTIMORE WHO WAS RUNNING THESE SCENARIOS. 
          AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE JEREMIAH OUT OF DENVER, UH, AND THEN WE'RE ACTUALLY EMBARKING ON A, A VISITOR DATA COLLECTION THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO START ON IN WORKING WITH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT THAT'S RUN OUT OF KANSAS CITY. 
          SO, UM, WHILE I'M RUNNING POINT ON THIS, I'D BE REMISS, ESPECIALLY IF ANYONE'S WATCHING ME ON VIDEO THINKING, I'M CLAIMING ALL OF THESE STRATEGIES AND IMPROVEMENTS AND THESE MODELS WERE DONE BY ME. 
          SO, UH, TRULY A, A FIRM WIDE EFFORT AS IN CONSULTING, WHICH IS EXCITING FOR ME, BUT REALLY IT'S, IT'S GETTING A LOT OF THE EXPERTS AROUND OUR FIRM TO TRY AND AGAIN, UH, WORK THROUGH THE, THE SEDONA MOTION PROGRAM. 
          SO FOR MY PORTION, I I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECAP SOME OF THE PRESENTATION FROM 
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MAY OF 22 TO, YOU KNOW, AS ANDY WAS LOOKING AT JUST SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE COME ON SINCE THEN, BUT ALSO SINCE 2018. 
          UH, I'M GOING TO RECAP A LITTLE BIT OF THE 2021 STUDY, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED IN 22. 
          IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE IS WHAT LED TO THAT STUDY WAS SIM ONE, THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WAS PRIORITY NUMBER ONE WHEN THE SIM PROGRAM CAME IN, IS ADDING THAT SECOND SOUTHBOUND LANE THROUGH UPTOWN REDUCING PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS BY PUTTING IN A MEDIAN AND A BARRIER, SEPARATING THAT. 
          SO WHAT WE FOUND WAS ONCE THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED, SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC WAS RAN COMPLETELY SMOOTH, RIGHT? WE REDUCED, WE ACTUALLY MATCHED ESSENTIALLY THE MODEL WITH THAT REDUCED TIME DOWN TO 15 MINUTES COMING IN FROM THE CANYON THROUGH THE Y. 
          UM, BUT AS WE LOOKED AT IT FROM A SYSTEM LOOKING AT UPTOWN INTO AK, YOU DIDN'T SEE NEAR THE BENEFIT OF ALL MODES OF TRAFFIC. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN SOME OF THE MODELS HERE. 
          SO THAT LED TO LOOKING AT THE 2021 STUDY, WHICH WAS, WHAT CAN WE DO NORTHBOUND? WHAT CAN WE DO TO REALLY LOOK AT THE ISSUES AT THE Y AND AT THE ROUNDABOUT? UM, AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COG IN THIS AS, AS WHAT WE FOUND IN THE MODEL IS THESE SMALLER PROJECTS THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED NORTHBOUND REALLY WILL START TO REDUCE CONGESTION THROUGH UPTOWN AND TILLOCK. 
          AND I'M GONNA DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT THE RANGER BREWER INTERSECTION ANALYSIS IS, THAT'S, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT'S AT THE 90% DESIGN RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE LAST PRESENTATION. 
          I'M JUST GONNA RECAP JUST HOW WE KIND OF GOT TO THE, THE SOLUTION OF, OF A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY DISCUSS ALL THOSE TOO MUCH. 
          I THINK THE, THE MEAT OF THIS IS THE 2023, UH, UPDATED ANALYSIS AND THEN NEXT STEPS AS, AS ANDY ALLUDED TO, UH, CREATING A DATA DASHBOARD AND REALLY STARTING TO, TO GATHER THIS DATA IN ONE PLACE AND REALLY BE ABLE TO ANALYZE IT FROM A TRUE MULTIMODAL EFFORT. 
          SO THIS, THIS IS AN OLDER SLIDE FROM, UH, 2022 AND JUST WHAT I WANNA SHOW IS, I KIND OF SKIP BETWEEN THESE TWO, IS SOME PROJECTS THAT WERE IN STUDY OR DESIGN PHASE, UH, HAVE SINCE BECOME EITHER UNDER, UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR THE DESIGN HAS MOVED FROM, YOU KNOW, COMPLETED TO, TO UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          NOTABLY, THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE FOR THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THAT'S NUMBER TWO ON THERE. 
          THAT'S ADVERTISED. 
          ACTUALLY IT'S GONNA BE READVERTISED RIGHT NOW THE PARKING GARAGE AS NOTED THAT IS ON HOLD PENDING THE RESULTS OF THE PARKING STUDY, WHICH IS, WILL BE PRESENTED TODAY. 
          UH, THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE'VE MOVED INTO DESIGN PHASE OF THE SS R 89, A FOREST RANGER ROUNDABOUT, AS WELL AS MODIFICATION TO BREWER. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WAS APPROVED ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. 
          COUNCIL WE'RE IN A 90% DESIGN FOR THE RANGER BREWER INTERSECTION, WHICH WAS AT A STUDY PHASE A YEAR AGO. 
          CONSTRUCTION'S BEEN COMPLETE ON THE LOS SALGADOS BREWER CONNECTION AND THE, UH, PESTERING CROSSING AT OAK CREEK IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO REALLY IN JUST A YEAR'S TIME, ALL OF THESE PROJECT HAS HAVE MOVED SIGNIFICANTLY OR INTO CONSTRUCTION, NEAR CONSTRUCTION OR SIGNIFICANT DESIGN COMPLETION. 
          AND THEN FOR SOME REASON, I LIKE TO KEEP THIS SLIDE RATHER THAN SHOWING IT GRAPHICALLY. 
          I JUST HAVE A LOT OF WORDS ON HERE WHICH ARTICULATE THE SAME THING I JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO, UM, NOTHING REALLY NEW ON HERE. 
          IT JUST, IT'S REALLY LISTING THE PROJECTS RATHER THAN SHOWING THEM GRAPHICALLY, UH, AND RELATING THEM TO THE SIM PROGRAM AS ANDY HAD IN THE, IN THE FIRST SLIDE DISCUSSION, WHETHER IT'S SIM FIVE D FOR THE RANGER BREWER INTERSECTION OR THE RANGER EXTENSION ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UH, SIM SEVEN AND EIGHT AND JUST WRITE EXCHANGE AND, AND AND, AND THE STUDY OF, OF ULTIMATELY THAT, THAT. 
          CAN I JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION? YEAH. 
          FEEL FREE. 
          NONE OF US HAVE THE, UH, PRESENTATION. 
          THE PRESENTATION, UH, FOR, IT WAS EMAILED OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK BY THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          I JUST CHECKED MY EMAIL. 
          I DON'T, PROBABLY NOT THIS ONE, WE HAVE LIKE THREE, SO, 'CAUSE I HAVE SOMETHING THAT JUST STARTS WITH SIM EIGHT, THAT'S WHAT WAS SENT OUT AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, DO WE HAVE THIS RIGHT? SO I I'D LIKE TO ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE, SO OH YEAH, IT'S THE PRESENTATION. 
          BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? IT'S IN PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN EMAIL IT RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY, PLEASE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SHOULD I PAUSE FOR A SEC? UH, WHY? WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. 
          SO WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE ON. 
          WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET IT BY EMAIL. 
          WE, WE'LL BRING IT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          IT, THIS, THIS, THIS PRESENTATION WAS COMPLETED A FEW DAYS AGO. 
          NO, IT'S FINE. 
          I WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT. 
          IT JUST, I WOULDN'T HAVE ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S DEFINITELY EASIER TO SEE ON YOUR SCREEN THAN TRYING TO LOOK OVER OR I'M PROBABLY BLOCKING HALF THE SCREEN AS TALL AS I'M ANYWAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO JUST TO RECAP THE 2021 STUDY, WHAT WE LEARNED, AND AGAIN, FORGIVE THE, THE NAMING OF THESE, BUT THAT ALT FIVE B, WHICH WAS A COMBINATION OF ALT FOUR AND THE SR 1 79 CROSSING WAS EFFECTIVELY THREE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          A RIGHT TURN LANE AT AMARA, WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN COMPLETE FEBRUARY OF 23, UH, IMPROVEMENTS IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION BETWEEN THE Y 
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AND FOREST, WHICH IS NOW OUT BID DESIGN COMPLETE, AND THEN A CONTROLLED CROSSING, WE CALL IT A Z CROSSING AT 1 79 IN COMBINATION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE UNDERPASS AT OAK CREEK. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE THREE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WHEN WE MODELED THIS BACK IN 21, THAT WOULD LEAD TO ABOUT 50% LESS CONGESTION, 50% LESS DELAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, AND SO I JUST AGAIN WANNA RECAP THAT 'CAUSE THAT HAS BEEN A LOT OF THE FOCUS IN TERMS OF NOT NECESSARILY LOW HANGING FRUIT, BUT SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT FROM THESE IMPROVEMENTS BEING IMPLEMENTED. 
          AND THEN THIS GRAPHICALLY SHOWS ON HERE AS WE LOOK AT TOTAL SYSTEM DELAYS, AND I WILL BE SPEAKING IN THE MILLIONS FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT AT SOME POINT WE'LL LOOK AT IT JUST IN TERMS OF AVERAGE VEHICLE DELAY. 
          BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITION AS IT WAS IN 2021, WHICH WAS JUST THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS, JUST THE, THE SOUTHBOUND LANE, THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND THE MEDIAN, UH, WE HAD AN OVERALL SYSTEM DELAY OF 7.7 MILLION. 
          WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN WE RUN THIS MODEL, THIS IS A SIX HOUR MODEL IN VISIM. 
          SO WE RUN FROM 10:00 AM TO 4:00 PM ON A PEAK DAY AND WE SEE THE TRAFFIC BUILDUP AS WE LIVE RIGHT FROM ONE 30 TO TWO THREE ON COOKS HILL PEAK CONGESTION THROUGH THE Y AND THEN IT DISSIPATES DOWN AROUND 4:00 PM SO IT'S A PRETTY COMPLEX MODEL FOR SIX HOURS, BUT THIS IS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN SECONDS THAT ENTER IN THAT SYSTEM. 
          SO THAT'S THE BASELINE. 
          AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, WE SEE WE START TO REDUCE CONGESTION. 
          WE REDUCE DELAYS IN TERMS OF SECONDS FOR ALL VEHICLES. 
          AND SO ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE AT ALT FIVE B, WE'RE REDUCING THIS DOWN TO LESS THAN 2 MILLION FROM A A 7.7 MILLION, UM, SYSTEM DELAY AT THE START. 
          SO IN GENERAL, JUST WITH THESE PROJECTS, WE SEE A, A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN CONGESTION. 
          AND THIS IS ALL PROJECTED? YES, THIS WAS PROJECTED IN 2021. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE UPDATES IN TERMS OF A, A RECENT PROJECT THAT THE M R RIGHT TURN LANE TO, TO START TO LOOK AT THE DATA. 
          YES. 
          THIS WAS PROJECTED IN 21 AND, AND WE'RE STARTING TO REALIZE SOME OF THOSE BENEFITS NOW WITH CONSTRUCTIVE PROJECTS ON THE, UH, ALTS FIVE B, THE Z CROSSING, IS THAT STILL PART OF THE PLAN? I THOUGHT THAT THAT WASN'T, UH, SUPPORTED BY ADOT. 
          IT'S STILL, WE'RE STILL, THE INTERSECTION IS STILL CONTROLLED WITH TCAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF NECESSARILY WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A Z CROSS. 
          SO WHAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE PERMIT WITH ADOT IS THAT ONCE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY ARE COMPLETE, WE WILL BE TESTING THAT CROSSING AND DETERMINING OKAY. 
          BUT IT WASN'T IN PLACE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S NOT PART OF THE CURRENT PERMIT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'LL BE CONSIDERED WITH THE NEXT TESTING THAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE 'CAUSE I DIDN'T REMEMBER, I REMEMBER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER RIGHT. 
          UH, IT BEING IN, IN STONE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          DID WE ALL HAVE COUNSEL? DID WE ALL HAVE THE, UH, PRESENTATION NOW? YES, NOW WE HAVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          I CAN QUIT STALLING. 
          GREAT QUESTION, BRIAN. 
          YEAH, SO ON THE PREVIOUS SIDE, SO THE, THE CONGESTION MEASURE THAT'S JUST MEASURING COOKS HILL CONGESTION OR, SO IT'S THE TOTAL SYSTEM THAT WAS MODELED. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY TO THE WEST AIRPORT ROAD IS THE BOUNDARY. 
          THE NORTH IS UP INTO OAK CREEK, I THINK NEAR MIDGLEY BRIDGE AND THEN SOUTH THROUGH TILLOCK. 
          SO ALL TRAFFIC ENTERING FROM THOSE THREE LEGS, THAT'S THE SYSTEM CONGESTION. 
          SO ANY VEHICLE THAT ENTERS IN FROM THE SOUTH TRIGGERS A DELAY AS IT NAVIGATES EITHER NORTH THROUGH THE CANYON OR ANY DIRECTION. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S SHOWN HERE. 
          THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SYSTEM THAT'S MODELED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, TO THE NORTH. 
          WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH UPTOWN AND INTO THE CANYON. 
          AND SO IN THE SOUTH IT'S REALLY, IT'S THE BRIAN ON THE MIC. 
          IT'S THE ROUNDABOUT AT, UH, SNUBBY HILL. 
          YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          IT'S FURTHER SOUTH OF SNUBBY. 
          OH, FOR THE MODEL? I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          I'M THINKING OF, UH, OUR, OUR CONGESTION TRIGGER POINT IS UH, BELL ROCK BOULEVARD, BUT YEAH, FOR THIS MODEL IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT THAT POINT. 
          SO, SO ANDREW, HAS ANYONE LOOKED AT, OR ANDY OR KURT, DON'T WANNA FORGET KURT. 
          UM, I'M SEEING MORE OFTEN THAN NOT NOW, THANS HILL GOING DOWN COOKS HILL, THE BACKUP IS REALLY INTO UPTOWN, NOT AT 1 79, NOT THE CROSSWALK. 
          AND THERE'S ISSUES OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT THE Y. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WHAT IS THE BACKUP GOING NORTHBOUND? IT'S, AND I BELIEVE IT'S BEYOND THE CITY. 
          SO IT'S BE, IT'S BEYOND THE NORTHERN, UH, ROUNDABOUT IN UPTOWN. 
          ARE YOU, YOU HAVE ANY IN THE, IN THE SOUTHERN, IN THE SOUTH DIRECTION OF TRAVEL? NO, THE NORTH DIRECTION. 
          SO IT'S BACKING UP UP COOK. 
          SO IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN COOKS HILL, MOST MANY CARS ARE NOT MAKING THE RIGHT TURN DOWN TO GO TO THE 2 1 7 9. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE GOING 
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TOWARD UPTOWN. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE BACKUP IS MOST OFTEN LATELY, THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          RIGHT. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY CAUSE OF THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT PART OF THE PROJECT? YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S, WE'LL HAVE A, I'LL SHOW A VIDEO ON KIND OF CURRENT 2023 MODEL, WHICH I THINK WILL KIND OF SHOW OKAY. 
          WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT IS, IT'S PRIMARILY, IT'S PEDESTRIANS CROSSING MIDBLOCK, WHICH CREATE, START TO CREATE THE DELAY IN BACK OF EVERY PEDESTRIAN THAT CROSSES A VEHICLE STOPS. 
          THAT HAPPENS 50 TIMES. 
          EVENTUALLY WE'VE BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO THE Y AND THEN IT'S ONLY HAVING THE SINGLE NORTHBOUND THROUGH LANE UP UP AS YOU APPROACH FOREST, WHICH THOSE VEHICLES ARE ALL QUEUING ALSO INTO THE Y AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S MAKE WAITING TO MAKE A LEFT, HALF OF 'EM ARE ACTUALLY MAKING THE LEFT. 
          THE OTHER HALF ARE ACTUALLY WAITING TO MERGE TO GO THROUGH, WHICH CAUSES MORE OF A BACKUP. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT NEW, THE NEW PLAN WE JUST APPROVED, UH, THE, THE MEDIAN. 
          SO THE SIM ONE B ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ESSENTIALLY RUN FROM BERT'S LANE UP THROUGH JORDAN ROUNDABOUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'LL, THAT PROJECT WILL ADDRESS A BUNCH OF THE FRICTION AND, AND CONGESTION CONSTRICTION POINTS THAT WE HAVE IN THAT SEGMENT. 
          BUT YEAH, FOR THE NORTHBOUND, UM, CONGESTION, THERE ARE SEVERAL POINTS OF FRICTION AS YOU MOVE FROM THE Y ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH UPTOWN. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IMPACTS CONGESTION LEADING ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH, UH, COOKS HILL, I MEAN YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE Y AND THE BREWER ROUNDABOUTS THEMSELVES. 
          YES. 
          ON TOP OF, SO IT'S REALLY THE WHOLE SYSTEM CONGESTION CONVERGES AT THE Y ESSENTIALLY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          OH YES, MELISSA. 
          SO I'M, I'M GONNA FOLLOW ON FROM WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID. 
          'CAUSE I SEE THIS A LOT TOO. 
          EVEN OUR DOWN SEASON WHERE YOU GET TO THAT INTERSECTION TO THAT ROUNDABOUT AND IT'S GOING INTO UPTOWN, PEOPLE ARE JUST SITTING AND SO THEY, THEY SIT IN THE ROUNDABOUT, RIGHT. 
          INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL IT CLEARS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD YOU SAY IS THAT THIS, THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT IN UPTOWN IT'S PEOPLE NOT CROSSING AT THE CROSSWALKS AT THE LIGHTS, BUT MID THAT MIGHT BE CAUSING THIS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? 'CAUSE WE, WE CAN'T MAKE PEDESTRIANS DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE LEARNED WITH PRIORITIZING SIM ONE AND THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS IS THE NUMBER ONE DRIVER IN CONGESTION PRE THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS WAS JAYWALKING AND UPTOWN. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP PUTTING IN A PHYSICAL BARRIER WITH THE MEDIAN. 
          SO THERE'S ONLY SEVERAL LOCATIONS THEY CAN NOW CROSS BECAUSE YES, IT WAS, IT'S CHALLENGING TO MAKE PEOPLE CROSS A CROSSWALKS UNLESS THERE IS A PHYSICAL STEEL BARRIER AND A MEDIAN IN UPTOWN. 
          SO THAT WAS THE CRUX OF THAT FIRST IMPROVEMENT WAS TO INSTALL THAT SO THAT THEY'RE CROSSING AT MIDBLOCK, THE SIGNALIZE MIDBLOCK AND NOW AT THE JORDAN ROUNDABOUT AT A SIGNED CROSSWALK AND THEN UP NEAR AARA AND AT WAYSIDE. 
          SO THEN, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, 'CAUSE I WAS WONDERING HOW THEY WERE JUMPING ACROSS ALL THAT METAL, BUT, UM, I, I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT THE CROSSWALKS THEMSELVES, THE TIMING OF THE CROSS WITH THEMSELVES IS ACTUALLY CAUSING THIS BACKUP THAT CARS HAVE TO STOP WHEN THE LIGHTS CHANGE AT EACH OF THOSE POINTS TO ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS. 
          AND THAT'S CAUSING ALL OF THE, ALL THE BACKUP. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY PEOPLE CROSSING AGAINST THE LIGHT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ITSELF. 
          IS THAT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? UH, YES. 
          SO IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE A LOT, IT'S, IT'S A MULTIFACETED CAUSE IT'S THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES COMING THROUGH. 
          BUT THE PEDESTRIAN VEHICLE FRICTION AND CONFLICT IS A PRIMARY DRIVER FOR CONGESTION THROUGH UPTOWN. 
          IT WAS THE NUMBER ONE DRIVER BEFORE THE MEDIAN WAS INSTALLED BECAUSE OF PEOPLE NOT ONLY USING DESIGNATED CROSSWALKS BUT ALSO JAYWALKING WHEN THERE WAS A GAP CREATING A BACKUP. 
          BUT NOW IT'S STILL THE PEDESTRIAN VEHICLE CONFLICT, NOTABLY AT MID-BLOCK. 
          SO DURING PEAK TIME IN MARCH OR OCTOBER, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CROSSING, WHETHER IT'S DURING WITH TCAS OUT THERE OR JUST OFF PEAK, WHEN YOU GET A GREEN TO CROSS, IT DOES CREATE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONGESTION JUST BECAUSE OF THAT ONE PRIMARY MOVEMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          GO RIGHT AHEAD. 
          SO I, I DID GO AHEAD AND I JUST, I JUMPED AHEAD 'CAUSE I DON'T MIND SKIPPING AROUND 
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IN THE, IN THE AGENDA HERE. 
          BUT WHAT I WANTED TO PULL UP, JUST AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, WAS THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION MODEL AS OF 2023. 
          UM, SO THIS IS AT ONE 30. 
          SO THIS IS ENTERING INTO REALLY PEAK AGAIN, THIS, THE MODEL BUILDS UP FROM 10:00 AM TO 4:00 PM BUT WE FOUND THAT STARTING AFTER ONE UNTIL ABOUT 2 2 30, THIS IS WHEN THE PRIMARY BACKUP OCCURS UP COOKS HILL. 
          AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, HOPEFULLY I KNOW WE HAVE, WE STRUGGLE WITH THIS SITE, WE WANT TO SHOW THE WHOLE AREA THAT WE'RE STUDYING. 
          I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS A LITTLE ANTS ON THE SCREEN AND MAYBE YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN UP THERE. 
          BUT WE HAVE, AGAIN, ONLY ONE LANE RIGHT NOW. 
          THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION RIGHT NOW WITH JUST THE RECENT IMPROVEMENT OF THE AMARA RIGHT TURN LANE UP AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN WHERE MY CURSOR IS CIRCLING. 
          SO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IS, AS A ROUNDABOUT WORKS, IF ANY LEG OF THE ROUNDABOUT STARTS TO GET CONGESTED IMPACTS THE WHOLE SYSTEM. 
          SO IN THIS CASE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE SINGLE LANE OF TRAFFIC THAT'S LINING UP, THAT'S STOPPING AT THE FOREST SIGNAL AND IT'S ALSO STOPPING FOR PEDESTRIANS CROSSING AT JORDAN AND THEN PEDESTRIANS CROSSING AT MIDBLOCK THAT EVENTUALLY STARTS TO STACK TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE SOUTH, DOWN SOUTH ON 1 79, WHICH ACTUALLY COINCIDENTALLY THEN STARTS TO STACK UP TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST. 
          MAINLY BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, THE Y IS THE ONLY ENTRANCE POINT IN AND OUT OF UPTOWN INTO WEST SEDONA, THIS LOCATION. 
          SO ONCE THE BACKUP OCCURS SOUTH ALONG 89 A FROM FOREST DOWN TO THE Y, ONCE THIS HAPPENS, IT STARTS TO PULL TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE WEST. 
          THAT'S WHY WHEN WE MODELED IT, WE LOOKED AT WE NEED ADDITIONAL CAPACITY WITHIN THIS SECTION OF ROAD. 
          WE HAVE THE LANE WIDTH, WE HAVE THIS INCREDIBLY LONG TURN LANE THAT ONLY USES 2% OF ITS CAPACITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE HAVE ME CONDITION THAT'S TOO FAR BACK FROM THE SIGNAL TO BEGIN WITH THAT CAUSES PEOPLE TO STOP AND WAIT TO MERGE ANYWAY, WHICH CAUSES FURTHER BACK. 
          ANYTIME A CAR STOPS, IT STARTS TO EXACERBATE UPSTREAM. 
          AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE SEE AS A PRIMARY DRIVER OF CONGESTION ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST UP COOKS HILL IS THIS BACKUP RIGHT HERE. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE AS WE'VE LEARNED, WE'VE, WE HAVE TO START, AS THESE PROJECTS START TO BE IMPLEMENTED, CONSTRUCTED, WE WILL GO OUT AND WE'LL GATHER MORE DATA AND WE WILL TRUTH CHECK THE MODEL AGAINST CONSTRUCTION AND MAKE UPDATES. 
          BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW, AS WE SEE, THIS IS THE PRIMARY DRIVER FOR CONGESTION THROUGH THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS THIS SECTION OF 89 A FROM THE Y BASICALLY UP THROUGH JORDAN. 
          AND IT'S A COMBINATION OF NOT ENOUGH VEHICULAR STORAGE OR QUEUING LENGTH IN BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUTS ESSENTIALLY AND STILL PEDESTRIANS CROSSING AND UPTOWN DURING PEAK TIME. 
          THOSE ARE THE TWO DRIVERS THAT WE HAVE FOUND THAT ARE THE, THE FIRST PROJECTS THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETED AND DONE TO, TO START TO RELIEVE SOME OF THIS CONGESTION. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          ANDREW. 
          HAS THE RE STRIPING ON FOREST ROAD SEEMS TO ME IT'S HAD AN IMPACT, BUT HAVE WE MEASURED THAT A POSITIVE IMPACT? WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY MEASURED IT, BUT I KNOW ANECDOTALLY IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S DEFINITELY HAVING AN IMPACT. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS JUST A TEMPORARY, UM, IMPROVEMENT THAT WE PUT IN PLACE TO GET SOME SHORT TERM RELIEF RIGHT. 
          ON SOME OF THAT FRICTION. 
          AND IT'S ONLY GONNA BE IN PLACE UNTIL THESE BIGGER IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE. 
          SO WE DIDN'T PUT THE EFFORT INTO COLLECTING THAT DATA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS ANDY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THERE'S ALSO OTHER PROJECTS WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN ADVANCE OF THESE, LIKE WORKING WITH ADOT TO DO, UH, PAVE MARKINGS ON COOK HILL TO REDUCE FRICTION WITHIN THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS AT BREWER AND Y SO CARS CAN ALIGN IN WHAT DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO. 
          SO WE'RE REACHING OUT WITH ADOT, SO WE'RE DOING LITTLE IN-HOUSE PROJECTS TO JUST UH, UH, MOVE THAT NEEDLE A LITTLE BIT NOW. 
          SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE IN THE FUTURE. 
           PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOLD ON. 
          SO, SO I, THIS IS GONNA SOUND MAYBE A LITTLE WEIRD AND MAYBE I'M JUMPING THE GUN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE CONGESTION, WHEN YOU GUYS WERE, UM, LOOKING FOR REAL AND NOT MODELING, BUT ACTUALLY SEEING WHAT WAS GOING ON, DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S BACKING UP GOING INTO UPTOWN IS GOING TO UPTOWN VERSUS GOING THROUGH UPTOWN AND INTO THE CANYON? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT IS KIND OF ONE OF THE PRIMARY DRIVERS FOR LOOKING AT THE VISITOR DATA AND EMBARKING ON THAT, UM, WHAT'S CALLED ORIGIN DESTINATION. 
          WE'RE USING A PROGRAM CALLED STREETLIGHT. 
          SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN ACTUALLY SET UP DIFFERENT GEO-FENCE ZONES OR AREAS THAT WILL SHOW AT A GIVEN TIME OR AT A PEAK PERIOD, HOW MANY CARS OF 
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THE CONGESTED CARS. 
          OH NO. 
          UM, HOW MANY CARS ARE EITHER COMING INTO UPTOWN, STOPPING IN THIS ZONE THAT WE'VE CAPTURED AND SHOPPING SPENT OR OR PASSING THROUGH. 
          SO THAT IS, WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BUT WE WILL KNOW THAT SOON. 
          SO THEN WE CAN START TO EQUATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT ARE PASSING THROUGH AND GOING INTO THE CANYON AND WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT ARE, THAT ARE STAYING WITHIN THE UPTOWN ZONE THAT WE'RE GONNA SET UP AS WE START TO CAPTURE THIS ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA. 
          SO WHAT DOES SOON MEAN AND ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK AT BOTH OUR OFF SEASON AND OUR ON SEASONS? YES. 
          AND SOON MEANS, SOON MEANS YES. 
          NO, JUST KIDDING, . 
          UM, SO WE JUST ORDERED A SUBSCRIPTION FOR BASIC DATA FROM STREETLIGHT THAT WE ACTUALLY WILL START TO BE ABLE TO PULL INFORMATION. 
          NOW WE ARE SETTING UP A CUSTOMIZED DATA COLLECTION THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME FOR STREETLIGHT OUR VENDOR TO PULL. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT FOUR TO SIX WEEKS BEFORE WE START TO GET THAT DATA AND THEN THE FOUR TO SIX FOR US TO ANALYZE IT. 
          SO BY LATE FALL, EARLY WINTER, WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE GATHERED THAT DATA, ANALYZED THAT DATA AND START TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO SOME OF THESE MODELING SCENARIOS. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT'S SOON TO ME, BUT MAYBE NOT LIKE TOMORROW. 
          IT'S ALL RELATIVE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT WORK AND THE, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR ME IS IF WE'RE SEEING THESE ISSUES NOW DURING OUR SLOW SEASON QUOTES, THE QUESTION REALLY DOES BECOME, AS WE CHANGE THE SEASON SHOULDER HIGH AND LOW SEASONS, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING? IF WE'RE STILL SEEING THESE PROBLEMS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA ALL THE TIME. 
          SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT ACROSS AND NOT JUST LOOK AT ANY ONE SEASON. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, YEAH, SO YEAH, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT MARCH, YOU KNOW, MARCH, APRIL AND THEN KIND OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER ARE THE, THE TWO PEAKS. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT JUNE'S NOT BUSY. 
          JULY'S NOT BUSY EFFECTIVELY REALLY THE ONLY KIND OF SUPPOSED SLOW TIME AGAIN RELATIVE IS JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. 
          AND THEN THE REST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL EBBS AND FLOWS WITH, AGAIN, DISCERNIBLE PEAKS AROUND SPRINGTIME AND FALL. 
          UH, AND THAT'S THIS MODEL, THE DATA WAS CAPTURED, IT WAS MARCH, UH, OF 2021 A SATURDAY IN MARCH. 
          'CAUSE WE KNEW FROM SOME OF THE, THE PAST MASTER PLANNING, WE KNEW A SATURDAY IN MID-MARCH, EFFECTIVELY AROUND A SCHOOL DISTRICT SPRING BREAK, NOTABLY IN PHOENIX. 
          YOU'RE TRYING TO ALIGN THAT AND START TO PICK UP. 
          REALLY WE WANT TO CAPTURE PEAK AND THEN START TO KIND OF CALIBRATE FROM THERE. 
          SO WE'VE STILL SEEN THAT IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY TYPICAL THAT ALL OF MARCH AND INTO EARLY APRIL ARE YOUR PEAK. 
          AND THAT REALLY HAS NOT CHANGED IN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER'S STILL PRETTY POPULAR. 
          NOVEMBER'S POPULAR YOU SEE PEAKS AROUND THE HOLIDAY SEASON. 
          SO YEAH, AND THAT'S PART OF IT. 
          TRYING TO GET A MORE GRANULAR DATA SET OF VISITORS SO WE CAN REALLY START TO SEE ON A PEAK MONTH PERIOD AND THEN KIND OF ALIGN THE TRAFFIC MODEL WITH THE VISITOR DATA AND THEN COMBINE THAT WITH SOME OF THE TRANSIT DATA. 
          AND THEN WE REALLY HAVE, UH, THE FULL CRUX OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THEN WE START TO TRY AND IMPLEMENT PROJECTS FROM THERE. 
          SO I, I REALIZE I'M PROBABLY RESTATING, BUT YOU KEEP SAYING PEAK AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PEAK VISITATION PERIOD PROBABLY HERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO PEAK VISITATION UNDOUBTEDLY FOR GRASSHOPPER POINT SLIDE, ROCK, WEST FORK, GRAND CANYON, AND EVERYONE'S PASSING THROUGH SEDONA IN ORDER TO GET THERE. 
          AND THAT MAY NOT BE OUR PEAK SEASON, BUT IT, IT'S STILL A PEAK SEASON SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE WE'RE WE'RE THE WAY TO GET THERE WE'RE THE GATEWAY IN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY IF YOU KEEP SAYING PEAK, I KEEP THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS, THERE MAY BE FEWER VISITORS HERE, BUT THERE'S THE SAME NUMBER OR MORE PEOPLE PASSING THROUGH SEDONA. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I, I'M KIND OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM CLEAR WITH, WITH WHAT I'M SAYING AND THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CLEARLY THAT WE'RE NOT JUST SOLELY LOOKING AT PEOPLE COMING TO SEDONA, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE HEAVY TRAFFIC THAT MAY BE PASSING THROUGH SEDONA, THEREFORE THROUGH UPTOWN. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          YEAH, IT, IT'S, THANK YOU. 
          IT'S NOT LIMITED TO, WE'RE NOT JUST CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE THAT COMING UPTOWN AND STAY AND PARK AND THAT'S IT, IT'S ONE OF THE DRIVERS OF CONGESTION IS THOSE PASSING THROUGH AND GOING INTO THE CANYON, GOING 
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UP TO THE GRAND CANYON. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE EMBARKING ON THIS, THIS DATA COLLECTION TO TRULY SEE KIND OF THE SPLITS OF THAT. 
          AND I THINK AGAIN, WE, IN ONE OF THE PARKING MEETINGS WE HAD A WHILE BACK, I THINK ONE OF THE LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS HERE STATED THAT IT WAS A, A PEAK CONGESTION DAY IN TERMS OF YOU COULD SEE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH UPTOWN, BUT YET BUSINESS WAS SLOW. 
          WHICH RIGHT THERE SAYS THAT'S EVERYONE GOING AND SWIMMING AT GRASS HARBOR POINT, SLIDE ROCK FOR THE DAY AND THEN THEY'RE HEADING BACK SOUTH. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, I DON'T HAVE NUMBERS TO SHOW THAT, BUT WE ALL CAN SEE IT AND YOU CAN SEE IT FROM YOUR, YOU KNOW, MONTHLY, YOU KNOW,  INCUMBENT GO, OKAY, THIS IS, SO YES. 
          THAT'S WHY WE ARE TRULY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PASSING THROUGH SEDONA. 
          EITHER THEY'RE PASSING THROUGH OR THEY'RE STAYING AND WHAT'S THAT PERCENTAGE AND, AND WE NEED TO GET A BETTER GAUGE ON THAT. 
          SO, AND FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, ANDREW, YOU HAVE, IN THIS MODEL, THERE MUST BE A PARAMETER THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC. 
          HOW, HOW MANY FOLKS ARE ENTERING TOWN BUT ALSO GOING RIGHT THROUGH, WELL THIS MODEL'S BASED ON COUNTS. 
          SO WE SET UP COUNTS AT CERTAIN LOCATIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IF YOU SET UP A COUNTER, LET'S SAY IN BETWEEN THE Y AS I POINT TO THE SCREEN, LIKE YOU CAN SEE IT , UM, LET'S SAY THERE'S A COUNTER RIGHT HERE FROM THE Y UP THROUGH FOREST. 
          YOU JUST COUNT THAT CAR. 
          BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF IT'S NOW GOING AND PARKING UP IN THE MUNI MUNICIPAL LOT OR IF IT'S DRIVING UP TO SLIDE ROCK. 
          WE DID WITH THE 2018 TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, WE DID HAVE SOME ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA INCORPORATED THERE THAT HELPED GUIDE US IN TERMS OF THESE IMPLEMENTED PROJECTS. 
          BUT AT THAT TIME, SOME OF THAT DATA COLLECTION, I'LL SAY WAS UM, RELATIVELY NEWER. 
          SO IT CAME WITH ITS FLAWS AND AS WE STARTED TO KIND OF DIG INTO IT A LITTLE MORE, IT COULDN'T NECESSARILY BE TRUSTED A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          SO I COULDN'T STAY HERE AND USE THE 2016 DATA COLLECTION, SAY I KNOW THIS PERCENTAGE IS GOING HERE JUST 'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE, WE REACHED A POINT WHERE, AND IN FACT IT ACTUALLY GOT TO BE THE DATA COLLECTION BECAME SO MUCH BETTER AS WE PROGRESSED WITH OBVIOUSLY PAYING IN CELL PHONES AND COUNTING VEHICLES THAT WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THAT AND GO, EH, THIS IS, IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME, IT LED US TO OBVIOUSLY WHERE WE ARE TODAY, BUT IT ISN'T ANYTHING NECESSARY THAT I COULD, I COULD SPEAK TO IN TERMS OF THOSE PERCENTAGES. 
          THANK YOU ANDREW, FOR COUNTING VEHICLES. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS 1615 WE WERE USING CELL PHONE DATA. 
          YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANY LONGER, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? SO IS THAT GONNA THROW YOUR NUMBERS OFF AS WELL WHERE YOU HAD REAL GOOD CELL PHONE DATA TRACKING THAT I, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS SOME FEDERAL LAW THAT WE CAN NO LONGER DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT CHANGES THE WAY YOU CAN OBTAIN THAT DATA. 
          YEAH, SO I THINK IT'S IN SUMMER OF 22 I SWITCHED OVER. 
          SO PRIOR TO GOING BACK TO THE STREETLIGHT PROGRAM, 22 IN THE PAST WAS BASED ON PHONES AND NOW 22 TO PRESENT IS BASED ON VEHICLES. 
          HOW ARE THEY COUNTING THE VEHICLES JUST WITH THE TRIP WIRES ON THE, OH BOY. 
          WELL NOW YOU'RE, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER . 
          I MEAN YEAH, BECAUSE THE CELL PHONE WAS REALLY ACCURATE FROM WHAT I REMEMBER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THE VENDORS STATING THIS IS JUST AS ACCURATE IN TERMS OF, OF VEHICLE COUNTS AND SETTING UP ORIGIN DESTINATIONS. 
          BUT TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, YES. 
          WITH THAT CHANGEOVER BETWEEN THE, THE MEANS IN WHICH THAT DATA IS COLLECTED AND COUNTED, WE, AND THIS GOES BACK TO OUR GROUP IN KANSAS CITY, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A BETTER GRASP OF WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE IS. 
          SO PART OF IT IS WE'RE GOING TO, WE CAN STILL GO BACK AND CAPTURE THE DATA IS THE DATA. 
          SO WE'RE STILL PULLING NUMBERS BACK ALL THE WAY TO 2019, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA PULL NUMBERS FROM 22 TO 23 AND WE NEED TO COME UP ESSENTIALLY WITH THAT COEFFICIENT SO TO SPEAK. 
          THAT'S THAT DELTA THAT CHANGE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON IF YOU GO, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, APRIL 22 TO JULY OF 23, IT'S NOT THE SAME. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND COMB THROUGH THAT DATA. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TOO THAT MORE WHAT WE RE RELIED ON IN THE PAST WAS TRAVEL TIME DATA. 
          OKAY. 
          TO, TO INFORM OUR CONGESTION. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S BY CELL PHONE AS WELL AS VOLUME. 
          SO WHEN WE GET TRAVEL TIME DATA, IT'S MULTIPLE SOURCES, RIGHT. 
          THAT IT COMES FROM. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IT'S LESS DEPENDENT ON THE CELL PHONE DATA AND MORE DEPENDENT ON, YOU KNOW, G P SS AND VEHICLES, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, SYSTEMS THAT CAN BE PINGED. 
          THEY'RE SELLING THAT DATA TO THESE TYPES OF SOURCES. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THE DATA FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY MORE RELIABLE AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WHAT WE DID BACK IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, WHILE THE OD 
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DATA, WE GOT SOME USE OUT OF IT. 
          IT WASN'T AS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT TO THAT DATA AS AT THE TIME AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO USE IT FOR IN THE FUTURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? RIGHT. 
          AND I I FAILED TO, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, THE TRAVEL TIMES A SPECIFIC RUN, LET'S SAY AIRPORT ROAD NORTHBOUND THROUGH THE Y, THAT'S A SET PARAMETER THAT ARE TRACK ON THAT. 
          UH, TRACTION IS, IS CONTINUING TO TRACK USING GOOGLE WAYS IS THERE BUT NOT IS IT TELLING YOU WHAT THE DRIVE THROUGH IS LIKE COUNSELOR DUNN SAID YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING BEYOND BUT THE OLD WAY WITH THE CELL PHONE, YOU KNEW YOU WERE TRACKING FROM, I BELIEVE IF IT'S A WHILE, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE TWO 60 AND 89 A AND COTTONWOOD ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH RIGHT. 
          THE CANYON AND YOU WERE TRACKING RIGHT CARS AND SO THAT WOULD GIVE THE ANSWER TO UM, RIGHT. 
          COUNCIL DUNN'S QUESTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO TO ANDY'S POINT, ALL OF THIS IS DRIVEN BY TRAVEL TIME. 
          THAT'S KIND OF THE NUMBER ONE VARIABLE WE'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN SPECIFIC RUNS. 
          BUT THEN AS WE START TO GET INTO THE ORIGIN DESTINATION, 'CAUSE A TRAVEL TIME RUN AGAIN COULD GO, I'M DRIVING FROM AIRPORT ROAD DOWN 89 A THROUGH THE Y HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE IN A GIVEN TIME? AND WE SAY, OKAY, AT TWO O'CLOCK IT TAKES ME 45 MINUTES AND THEN IT TAKES ME 10 MINUTES. 
          BUT THOSE MIGHT NOT BE THE NUMBERS, BUT WE, WE DON'T KNOW AGAIN WHERE THEY'RE GOING. 
          WHERE DID THEY START AND WHERE DID THEY END UP. 
          THOSE TWO DIFFERENT KIND OF SETS OF DATA WE ARE COLLECTING. 
          SO THAT ONE TRIP WHILE COULD TAKE 20 MINUTES TO GO THAT LENGTH OF TRAVEL. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ORIGINATED, WE DON'T KNOW THEIR DESTINATION. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PICKING UP THE ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA FROM THE VISITOR STUDY. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE, TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S WHERE IT TURNED OVER IN SUMMER OF 22 BETWEEN THE WAY THAT WAS COLLECTED. 
          SO ANDY'S RIGHT, LIKE IT, THAT HAS BECOME MORE RELIABLE. 
          THOSE TRAVEL TIMES THAT HAS NOT CHANGED BUT THE ORIGIN DESTINATION THAT HAS CHANGED. 
          MELISSA, HI AGAIN. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          UH, IT'S SKID. 
          I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF YOU TO LOOK AT. 
          UM, LOOK AT ANDY FOR A SECOND. 
          OH, I COULD, I COULD LOOK AT ANDY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CAR COUNTS, WHEN I THINK OF COUNTS, I THINK OF COUNTS AS BEING A FAIRLY RANDOM THING. 
          I'M COUNTING X NUMBER OF CARS CAME IN AND Y NUMBER OF CARS WENT OUT INTO THE CANYON. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE CAR THAT CAME IN IS EXACTLY THE CAR THAT WENT OUT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE CAR THAT CAME IN AND STOPPED AND STAYED IN PLACE FOR A WHILE BEFORE MOVING OUT IN WHATEVER DIRECTION THEY MOVED OUT. 
          UM, HOWEVER I GET THE IMPRESSION I WILL STARE AT ANDY FOR A SECOND. 
          I GOT THE IMPRESSION WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT G P S TRACKING THAT THEY'RE USING THE G P S IDENTIFIER, WHICH IS THE VEHICLE IDENTIFIER. 
          AND IF IT'S THE VEHICLE IDENTIFIER, THEN WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS IN ESSENCE REPLACE THE CELL PHONE WITH THE CAR MM-HMM  AND JUST BASICALLY SAY I SAW THAT G P S IT ORIGINATED HERE, IT THEN IMMEDIATELY MOVED OUT OR I SAW AND IT STAYED. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING THEY DID SOMETHING BESIDES LEAVE THEIR CAR THERE AND THEN THEY MOVED OUT. 
          SO AM I FOLLOWING THAT? AM I TRACKING THAT CORRECTLY?  SO YES. 
          IN, IN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE TWO SETS OF DATA. 
          THE, THE, THE TRAVEL TIME DATA ALMOST CALLED IT TRACTION 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE GET IT FROM. 
          UM, THAT THAT IS, IS NOT UM, INFORMING ON WHERE VEHICLES ARE ARE NECESSARILY COMING FROM OR GOING TO OR ANY OF THAT KINDA STUFF. 
          THE OD DATA WILL INCLUDE THAT. 
          BUT UM, SO YEAH, IT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TWO THINGS KIND OF LIKE TOGETHER HERE . 
          AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE JUST KEEPING TRACK OF THE FACT THAT THE DATA THAT INFORMED OUR ENTIRE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THE MOST IMPORTANT DATA THERE WAS THE, THE TRAVEL TIME DATA. 
          AND THAT WAS CERTAINLY RELIABLE FOR SURE. 
          I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT ANDY. 
          I I'M REALLY NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TRAVEL TIME DATA, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IRRELEVANT WITH HOW MANY CARS WENT WHERE. 
          IT'S MORE ABOUT HOW LONG DID IT TAKE ANY ONE CAR TO GET SOMEWHERE. 
          RIGHT? SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGIN DESTINATION BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ORIGIN DESTINATION, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TRACKING ONE THING YEP. 
          FROM ITS ORIGIN TO ITS DESTINATION AND THEN ALONG THE WAY WHAT DID IT DO? RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD ALSO INFORM WHY YOUR TRAVEL TIMES MIGHT CHANGE OBVIOUSLY. 
          RIGHT? BECAUSE AS THAT VEHICLE DOES DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO DO, IT CREATES A NEW PATTERN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IF A LOT OF THEM DO THAT PATTERN, THEN YOU HAVE A NEW TRAVEL TIME PROBLEM. 
          BUT THAT'S A SIDE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ORIGIN DESTINATION WE ARE, AND WE'RE NOT USING CELL PHONES 'CAUSE IT'S A PERSONALLY 
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IDENTIFIABLE PIECE OF INFORMATION. 
          UM, BUT THE CAR IS NOT NECESSARILY TRUE IF IT'S JUST THE CAR. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING FOR CLARITY SO THAT WE ALL AGREE THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS YOU'RE TRACKING A VEHICLE, YOU'RE GONNA KNOW THAT THAT SAME, YOU'RE GONNA KNOW MY VEHICLE STARTED IN COTTONWOOD, WENT TO UPTOWN, STAYED IN UPTOWN FOR WHATEVER, AND THEN WENT ON, OR MY VEHICLE STARTED SOMEWHERE AND JUST WENT RIGHT THROUGH SEDONA. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. 
          DO WE, WILL WE UNDER ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE PASSED THROUGH? YES. 
          I THINK KAREN WANTS TO SAY SO. 
          OH I THINK I I THINK I GO AHEAD. 
          THE FACT THAT, THAT ANDREW WAS UM, DESCRIBING THIS SEPARATE EXERCISE THAT WE'VE ENGAGED SOME, SOME OTHER FOLKS FROM THE FIRM TO HELP US WITH, WHICH IS FOR TOURISM AND IDENTIFYING VISITOR VISITATION AND ORIGIN DESTINATION OF VISITORS AND LOOKING SPECIFICALLY HISTORICALLY FROM 2019 AND 2021, WHICH ARE GOOD YEARS WHERE WE HAD RELIABLE CELL PHONE DATA. 
          WE, I DO NOT KNOW, AND ANDREW MAYBE YOU DO, IF WE WILL HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF INFORMATION MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CHANGE IN BEING ABLE TO, TO TRACK CELL PHONE DATA. 
          WE HAVE THIS PARTICULAR EFFORT GOING ON RELATIVE TO THE TOURISM QUESTIONS. 
          BUT IT IS CERTAINLY GOING TO BE USEFUL TO ANDREW AND ANDY AND KURT AND TEAM AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS. 
          BUT, BUT IT WILL BE A FINITE DATA SET. 
          WE'RE EXPLORING YET A ANOTHER POSSIBLE DATA GATHERING PLATFORM THROUGH ANOTHER COMPANY CALLED TOURISM ECONOMICS AND A, A PLATFORM CALLED SYMPHONY THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO DISCERN WHAT IS POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF TRACKING ORIGIN, ORIGIN AND DESTINATION. 
          SO I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE AT THIS POINT SAYING FOR CERTAIN THAT WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON. 
          YEAH. 
          AND REAL QUICK THIS TO CITY MANAGER'S POINT, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION WE, WE NEED TO EVALUATE AS WE START TO GATHER THE DATE OF 23 VERSUS 21 AND FIGURE OUT KINDA WHAT THAT VARIABLE IS TO EQUATE CARS TO VISITORS AND THEN, AND THAT IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED. 
          SO YES, WE CANNOT CONFIDENTLY AT THIS POINT KNOW THAT THE DATA FROM 22 BACK WILL NECESSARILY MATCH WHAT WE FIND IN 23. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO FIND THAT EQUATION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE EQUATING VISITORS SUCH A MATCH IF WITH CARS THERE IS SUCH, RIGHT? THERE MAY NOT BE, IT'LL BE, THERE WILL BE WE THERE WILL BE ASSUMPTIONS MADE TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER AND THOSE WILL BE BACKED BY, YOU KNOW, THE BEST CASE WE CAN FROM HOTEL OCCUPANCY TO OTHER OTHER DIFFERENT COUNTS. 
          AND THEN ONE OTHER THING TO, TO ANSWER COUNCILOR DUNN'S QUESTION IS, SO FROM A, WE RIGHT NOW ARE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE SET UP FROM PAST DATA. 
          WE HAVE 10 ZONES SPECIFICALLY WITHIN SEDONA. 
          IT'S BROKEN OUT INTO WEST SEDONA RESIDENTIAL TO AND THEN THE BUSINESS CORRIDOR, UPTOWN BUSINESS CORRIDOR INTO THE RESIDENCE AND THEN DOWN THROUGH TILLOCK. 
          SO WHILE YOU MAY NOT, I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SAY THAT YOUR CAR SPECIFICALLY CAME IN FROM COTTONWOOD, STOPPED IN WEST SEDONA, THEN DROVE OVER THROUGH UPTOWN, GOT LUNCH AND THEN DROVE UP THROUGH A CANYON. 
          I WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT OTHER VEHICLES EITHER MADE THAT SAME ROUTE OR A COMBINATION OF VEHICLES TO THAT SAME. 
          SO I CAN STILL EQUATE VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC THAT ARE GOING INTO DIFFERENT ZONES AND FOLLOWING THE SAME PATTERN. 
          SO MAYBE IT'S A COMBINATION OF THREE CARS THAT MADE YOUR SAME ROUTE OR YOU DID IT ON YOUR OWN. 
          I STILL WILL HAVE A NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE DOING DIFFERENT ORIGIN DESTINATIONS IN DIFFERENT PLACES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT WILL BE SOME CRITICAL DATA THAT WE STILL WILL BE ABLE TO AT LEAST LOOK AT KIND OF WHERE EVERYBODY IS HISTORICALLY GOING AND THEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAP THAT OUT FOR THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          ARE WE OUT OF TIME? WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF . 
          YOU'VE OUTTA TIME. 
          YES. 
          I GAVE YOU THE HOOK ALREADY. 
          I'M JUST LIKE I GOT LIKE 30 SLIDES TO GO NOW. 
          UM GEE, THANKS. 
          OKAY I'M  SO I'M NOT GONNA GO BACK AND RECAP ANYMORE BUT, SO I DO WANT TO REALLY QUICK JUST SHARE THE RESULTS OF THE MODEL AND THEN SHOW TWO SPECIFIC VIDEOS. 
          SO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW IS, THIS IS, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK TO THIS IN TERMS OF AVERAGE VEHICLE DELAY 'CAUSE I GET SICK OF SPEAKING IN THE MILLIONS. 
          UH, SO 2018 THE EXISTING 
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CONDITION WAS AROUND 170 AVERAGE VEHICLE DELAY COMING INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          THIS IS PRIOR TO ANY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THIS IS SEDONA MASTER PLAN TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. 
          SEDONA MOTION IS THAT IT'S INFANCY. 
          WE NEED TO START IMPLEMENTING PROJECTS 2021. 
          YOU'LL SEE WITH THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS, WE THEN SAW AN OVERALL SYSTEM DELAY TO THE AVERAGE VEHICLE DELAY, SORRY, TO LESS THAN ONE 60. 
          SO AGAIN, WHILE SOUTHBOUND SAW A RAPID IMPROVEMENT, IT DID NOT HAVE NEAR THE IMPACT ON THE OVERALL SYSTEM. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOW STILL EMBARKING ON THIS PROGRAM. 
          INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE AMARA RIGHT TURN LANE, WHICH THIS WAS ONE OF TWO PROJECTS RECOMMENDED AS I STATED IN THE RECAP, THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS IN THE R RIGHT TURN LANE R RIGHT TURN LANE WAS FINISHED IN 23. 
          WE GOT OUT THERE IN MARCH AND COUNTED CARS, WE CHECKED VOLUMES AND WE HAD TRAVEL TIMES THAT WE WERE MAPPING OUT AND WE SAW AN 18% IMPROVEMENT IN OVERALL AVERAGE VEHICLE DELAY. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE SYSTEM, NOT NECESSARILY JUST THAT TURNING MOVEMENT. 
          THIS IS THE OVERALL SYSTEM THAT WE'RE MONITORING. 
          COMPARE IT TO WHAT OUR MODEL SAID TWO YEARS AGO IT WAS A 20%. 
          SO EFFECTIVELY BIO INTENSIVE PURPOSE IS A MATCH. 
          SO WHAT AFTER THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED AND AFTER WE LOOKED AT AND UPDATED THE MODEL, WE SAW THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE REALIZING EFFECTIVELY MATCHED WHAT WE HAD MODELED TWO YEARS AGO. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S WHILE IT MIGHT BE A SMALL PROJECT, IT IS IMPACTFUL TO SEE THAT THE MODEL THAT WAS STARTED IN 2018 UPDATED IN 2021 IS UM, IT START IT'S MATCHING REALITY AT LEAST AS THESE FIRST COUPLE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED. 
          SO THEN AS WE LOOK AT THE UPTOWN NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS, WE SEE EFFECTIVELY A 50% REDUCTION IN DELAY. 
          UM, THAT IS AGAIN, WE'RE PULLING VEHICLES THAT ARE OTHERWISE QUEUED RIGHT NOW IN THE Y AND THE Y ROUNDABOUT, WE'RE QUEUING THEM DOWNSTREAM. 
          THAT FREES UP THE Y AND FREES UP TRAVEL PRETTY MUCH IN ALL DIRECTIONS. 
          NOW AGAIN, A RELATIVE TERM FREEZE UP IN TERMS OF RELATIVE TO HOW CONGESTED IT IS. 
          BUT AS I SHOW THE VIDEO, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT AGAIN THIS IS A PROJECTION 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT ISN'T COMPLETED BUT THIS PROJECT IS SLATED TO BE COMPLETED BY UH, MARCH 1ST. 
          UM, IF ALL GOES HAS PLANNED AND THEN WE CAN IMMEDIATELY GO OUT THERE, GET COUNTS, CHECK OUR TRAVEL TIMES AND UPDATE THE MODEL. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, UM, ANOTHER UPDATED MODEL TO START TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          A QUESTION, DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR REDUCTIONS IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE? IS THIS JUST INDIVI TRAVEL TIME YOU'RE MEASURING? 'CAUSE THERE'S LESS PEOPLE IN TOWN IN GENERAL AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THAT? THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT VEHICLES. 
          SO THIS IS JUST, SO THE MEASURABLES ARE TRAVEL TIME RELATIVE TO A A, A VOLUME THAT WE WILL GO BACK AND CHECK AND SEE IF IT KIND OF CHECKS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY TRAVEL TIME THROUGH A SPECIFIC CORRIDOR TO MEASURE THAT. 
          AND THEN THAT'S PLUGGED INTO OUR OVERALL VISTA MODEL TO SEE AS A SYSTEM HOW MUCH THAT IMPACTED. 
          BUT THIS IS, THIS IS MODELING VEHICLES NOT NECESSARILY NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          WELL IT'S VOLUME, RIGHT? IF THERE'S LESS VOLUME EXPECT IMPROVEMENTS BUT YES, YES. 
          AND WHAT WE SAW WAS WE LOOKED AT, WE, WE'VE GOT VOLUME COUNTS AS WELL AND THE VOLUME WAS VERY EQUITABLE TO 2021 SO THAT THAT VARIABLE MATCHED. 
          AND SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT TRAVEL TIME SO WE CAN SAY ADDING THAT RIGHT TURN LANE AND WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS BEFORE THE RIGHT TURN LANE, EVERYONE THAT'S MAKING A RIGHT TO GO DOWN TO AMARA, THEY HAVE TO STOP AND WAIT AS EVERY PEDESTRIAN IS CROSSING. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN CROSSING UPTOWN, THEY'RE NOT CROSSING THE HIGHWAY, THEY'RE JUST WALKING ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD HEADING UP TO THE ART CENTER THAT WAS ANYWHERE FROM LIKE 800 TO A THOUSAND PEDESTRIANS. 
          IT WAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIANS THAT WERE, THAT WERE CAPTURED THAT WE, THAT WE COLLECTED IN 2021 AND THEN WE COUNTED IN 23 THAT EFFECTIVELY STAYED THE SAME. 
          SO THE NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS REMAINED THE SAME, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC REMAINED THE SAME AND YET WE SAW A REALIZED SAVINGS AND TRAVEL TIME SO YOU CAN ENSUE THAT THE RIGHT TURN LANE WAS THE REASON FOR THAT IMPROVED CONGESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE OTHER, SO UPTOWN NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS ARE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION, RANGER BREW IMPROVEMENTS AT OAK CREEK, WE SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT BUT NOT OBVIOUSLY THE JUMP 50%. 
          AND THAT AGAIN GOES BACK TO THE, WE'VE EFFECTIVELY BY IMPROVING THE DOWNSTREAM CONDITION, THESE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT AS IMPACTFUL AS THEY'RE KIND OF PIGGYBACKED ONTO THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS. 
          IT'S NOT UNTIL THE S R 89 A RANGER FOREST ROUNDABOUT AND THE RANGER CONNECTION INSTALL, WHICH GIVES YOU 
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AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE. 
          WE CAN START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO TRAVEL DIFFERENT UM, REROUTING OF VEHICLES AS THEY WANT TO HEAD FROM NORTH TO WEST. 
          THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE ANOTHER JUMP IN OVERALL SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE TWO VIDEOS I'M GONNA SHARE NEXT SO YOU CAN KIND OF BETTER SEE. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE OF UPTOWN NORTHBOUND VERSUS THE 2021 MODEL. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE JUST ON THE LEFT WE HAVE THE CONGESTION IS STILL BACKING UP THROUGH THE Y HERE BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE LANE, WHEREAS IN THIS SCENARIO THE Y IS OPERATING AT A SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER LEVEL OF SERVICE BECAUSE WE'VE PULLED THAT QUEUING JUST DOWNSTREAM OF IT. 
          NOW 1 79 HEADING TO WEST SEDONA OR VICE VERSA, EASTBOUND HEADING SOUTH THAT CAN ACTUALLY NAVIGATE THE Y 'CAUSE IT'S NOT BACKED UP. 
          YOU'LL STILL SEE OBVIOUSLY AS THE FOREST SIGNAL CYCLE OCCURS AND AS WE START TO SEE PEDESTRIANS CROSS IN MIDBLOCK, THERE'S STILL SOME CONGESTION BACK INTO THE Y BUT IT RELIEVES PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE OF THAT ADDITIONAL STORAGE CAPACITY WE HAVE IN THIS SECTION. 
          AND AS I JUMP A LITTLE FORWARD A LITTLE MORE COOKS HILL IS EFFECTIVELY AGAIN IN THIS FUTURE SCENARIO, WHICH WE WILL CAPTURE HERE IN THE NEXT SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS WHEN THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETE. 
          BUT WE'VE RELIEVED A LOT OF THE CONGESTION COMING DOWN COOKS HILL INTO THE Y AND 1 79 IS OPERATING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IMPROVED THAN IT WAS PRIOR TO. 
          UM, SO REALLY AGAIN, ADDING THIS ADDITIONAL QUEUING OUTSIDE OF THE Y HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE OVERALL SYSTEM. 
          WE STILL HAVE, WE'RE STILL DOWN TO ONE LANE NO MATTER WHAT NORTHBOUND AS WE APPROACH JORDAN. 
          SO WE STILL HAVE A MERGE CONDITION SOUTH OF FOREST AND THEN WE STILL HAVE ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION, WHICH IN PEAK TIMES WITH PEDESTRIANS CROSSING MIDBLOCK, THAT CAN CREATE AGAIN THAT SAME SCENARIO STATE WHERE EVERYTHING CAN START TO BACK UP THROUGH THERE. 
          BUT HAVING AN ADDITIONAL 40 ISH CARS OF STORAGE IN BETWEEN FOREST AND THE Y SIGNIFICANTLY ALLEVIATES CONGESTION THROUGH Y AND THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT ANDREW, JUST WANNA BE CLARIFY CLARIFICATION. 
          IS THIS, ASSUMING THAT, THAT LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE PORK CHOP THAT YOU WANNA PUT IN THE EDN IS IN PLACE? YES. 
          THAT'S WHY I WANT JUST WANNA CLEAR 'CAUSE THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PORK, THE PORK CHOP AT THE FOREST INTERSECTION? YES, YES, YES, THAT'S INCLUDED. 
          WE, WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THERE WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO EVEN ADD EVEN ADDITIONAL STORAGE CAPACITY THROUGH FOREST UP TO JORDAN. 
          BUT THAT MERGE CONDITIONING BETWEEN THOSE INTERSECTIONS WOULD'VE ACTUALLY THEN CREATED A BACKUP INTO THE FOREST SIGNAL. 
          SO WE WOULD'VE IMPACTED THAT SIGNAL. 
          SO BY MERGING SOUTH OF FOREST WITH THAT PORK CHOP, WE THEN HAVE ONE LANE THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. 
          SO THE FOREST INTERSECTION OPERATES AT A MUCH BETTER LEVEL OF SERVICE THAN IF WE WERE TRYING TO MERGE AT JORDAN. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THIS VIDEO IS AGAIN, THIS IS IS COMPOUNDING, BUT THEN THIS IS A COMPARISON BETWEEN UPTOWN, WHICH THOSE ARE THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS TO NOW THE FULLY CONSTRUCTED THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AT SSR 89 RANGER BREWERS COMPLETED AND THE RANGER EXTENSION IS ALSO COMPLETED AND QUESTION FAIRLY OB. 
          OH YES. 
          IT'S THIS ONE SHOWS THOUGH THREE ROUNDABOUTS. 
          IT DOESN'T SHOW THE REMOVAL. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE WERE, HAD BEEN DISCUSSING THAT IF THEY ROUNDABOUT GOES IN BY THE NEW FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, THAT THE ONE AT RANGER BREWER WOULD COME OUT. 
          BUT THIS, UH, IMPROVED MODEL IS SHOWING THAT'S STILL THERE. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT SHOWS IT WITH THAT OUT? SO IT IS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE AERIAL IMAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THERE, BUT IT'S MODELED AS IF IT'S GONE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, AS IT'S MODELED, THIS IS A EASTBOUND RIGHT IN AND A NORTHBOUND RIGHT OUT ONLY. 
          SO PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE NEW ROUNDABOUT AT THE 89 A FOREST RANGER INTERSECTION IS TO MODIFY THE EXISTING BREWER ROUNDABOUT TO A RIDE AND RIDE OUT ONLY FROM THE SOUTHERN LEG OF BREWER. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT SHOWS UP AS A ROUNDABOUT, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE CARS, NO CARS ARE ACTUALLY MAKING A NORTH TO WEST MOVEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN CUT OFF IN THE MODEL, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SHOWN IN THE, IN THE GRAPHIC. 
          AND I SEE IN THERE THE IMPROVEMENT ON 1 79 AND SOME IMPROVEMENT ON THE LOWER END OF AS YOU GO UP INTO UPTOWN. 
          BUT IT STILL, IT THERE STILL LOOKS TO BE SOME SIGNIFICANT CONGESTION AS YOU HEAD, UM, 
          [01:00:01]
TO, TO REALLY, TO FOREST. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IS THAT'S DEPENDENT ON ULTIMATELY THE, THE CROSSING DOWN HERE WHERE WE MM-HMM. 
          , AS YOU CAN SEE, CARS STOPPING RIGHT HERE. 
          SO YES, THIS DEPENDS ON ULTIMATELY ONCE THE OAK CREEK CROSSING IS COMPLETED, AND THEN WE GO OUT AND SEE THE IMPACTS OF THE AT GRADE CROSSING AND COORDINATE THAT WITH ADOT. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S MODELED AS A CONTROLLED CROSSING. 
          BUT YES, THERE'S A, THAT AGAIN, LENDS ITSELF TO PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ARE A, A PRIMARY DRIVER IN CONGESTION, AND THAT IS NO EXCEPTION TO THAT POINT. 
          SO YOU WILL SEE SOME BACKUPS INTO S NIBLEY ROUNDABOUT BASED ON THAT CROSSING, BUT IT IS NOT BASED ON UPTOWN ANYMORE. 
          IT'S REALLY ISOLATED TO PEDESTRIANS THROUGH THIS 1 79 CORRIDOR. 
          WELL, AND ALSO ANDREW, JUST TO CLARIFY, ANOTHER BIG IMPROVEMENT FOR THAT AREA WILL BE THE CONNECTION PORTAL LANE TO MM-HMM. 
           REAR RANGER. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YEP. 
          ANDREW, THIS SECOND SCENARIO, OR THE RIGHT HAND SCENARIO IS ANTICIPATED AT WHAT DATE? WE HAVE THIS IN 2025 AS COMPLETED CALENDAR. 
          25 FISCAL YEAR. 
          FISCAL 20. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE DON'T NEED TO WATCH COOL VIDEOS ANYMORE, BUT I, I DO WANT TO JUST, THE LAST THING WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THAT WE STARTED LOOKING AT WAS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON, UH, FOR LACK OF A WORD INDUCED DEMAND OR GROWTH, UH, IN VISITATION OR JUST IN TERMS OF VEHICLES. 
          SO WE WANTED TO AT LEAST KIND OF SCENARIO PLAN, UM, THE MODEL AND KINDA LOOK AT, ALL RIGHT, WHAT IF WE SEE A 2% VOLUME INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR, UM, AND THIS IN BLUE IS MEANT TO SHOW THAT TO AN OBVIOUS POINT. 
          IF WE SEE MORE, SEE MORE TRAFFIC, WE'RE NOT GONNA REALIZE AS MUCH BENEFIT. 
          WE STILL SEE A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT BETWEEN, UM, EXISTING 2023 AND NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS. 
          BUT YOU WILL SEE IS IF GROWTH WOULD CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT FIVE, SIX YEARS, YOU WOULD START TO SLOWLY NOT NECESSARILY REALIZE THE ENTIRETY OF THE BENEFIT YOU WOULD SEE IMMEDIATELY. 
          AND THAT'S OBVIOUS, RIGHT? IF WE SEE MORE TRAFFIC. 
          BUT THAT JUST LENDS ITSELF TO WHY, AS WE TALKED EARLIER, WE NEED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF NUMBER OF VISITORS AND TRANSIT AND START TO INCORPORATE A FULL MULTIMODAL ATTACK IN TERMS OF THE SIM PROGRAM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALWAYS STATED IT'S NOT JUST ROADWAYS. 
          THESE ARE, THESE ARE IMPORTANT PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE A SIGN SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION. 
          BUT, UM, WE KNOW IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ALTERNATIVE ROUTES OR WIDENING ROADWAYS. 
          IT'S, IT'S A MULTIMODAL, UM, PROGRAM. 
          AND SO THIS IS JUST MEANT TO SHOW THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY AS, AS TRAFFIC GROWS, WE WOULD NOT SEE THE, THE BENEFIT IN TERMS OF SYSTEM DELAYS AS YOU WOULD EFFECTIVELY RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEN THE LAST THING IN TERMS OF JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT A VARIABLE, THIS IS THE MIDBLOCK PED CROSSING. 
          SO WE THREW IN, AND THIS IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, THIS IS, SO THIS IS THE, THE SCENARIO IN A CONTROL THAT MIDBLOCK IS, PADS GET LIKE 20% OF THE CYCLE. 
          SO FOR A HUNDRED SECONDS OF GREEN TIME, THEY GET 20 SECONDS OF IT. 
          IF WE JUST ADD ANOTHER 10% OR 10 SECONDS AND A HUNDRED, YOU CAN SEE IT IMPACTS NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS BY ALMOST 30%. 
          SO JUST 10% MORE PEDESTRIANS OR OTHER WORDS, LESS CONTROL OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AT MIDBLOCK HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO T C A STILL NEEDS TO BE GOING, AND WE STILL NEED TO HIGHLY MONITOR MID-BLOCK, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK TIMES. 
          OTHERWISE, YOU WILL NOT REALIZE THESE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          I SEE. 
          HALF THE COUNSELORS ARE YAWNING, SO THAT MEANS I NEED TO MOVE ON. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          . 
          UH, SO WE'VE ALREADY TALKED REALLY ABOUT NEXT STEPS, BUT, UM, I JUST, I WANT, THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE UPDATE. 
          AND I THINK BY THE TIME WE'VE GATHERED ALL THE VISITOR DATA AND WE HAVE A COUPLE YEARS OF TRANSIT DATA, OUR GOAL IS TO REALLY TAKE THE NEXT STEPS IN BUILDING A DATA DASHBOARD THAT BY, LET'S SAY NEXT TIME, THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, I'M PRESENTING, WE WILL SHOW A DASHBOARD THAT HAS PULLED ALL THIS DATA IN AND WE'RE STARTING TO ANALYZE KEY MILESTONES AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF REDUCED CONGESTION, UM, AND OTHER METRICS THAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT TO GUIDE. 
          THAT'S REALLY OUR NEXT STEP IS TO HAVE YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF DATA INTO ONE PLATFORM THAT THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY START TO USE AND ANALYZE IT AND PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL AND, AND ULTIMATELY TO THE PUBLIC. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS? 
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? NO, THAT'S, SURE. 
          YOU GOTTA ASK PETE ANYTHING? NO, THANK YOU. 
          REALLY?  CHECKING. 
          OKAY, COUNSEL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT WAS INTERESTING. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY COME UP WITH ANOTHER ANSWER TO THE CELL PHONE DATA THAT WAS REALLY DRAMATIC AND WE HAD IT EVERY DAY, SO IT'S A SHAME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE WILL. 
          I HOPE SO. 
          UH, THANK YOU ANDREW X WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, JEREMIAH COME UP, TALK ABOUT, NOW KURT JEREMIAH WILL BE USING THE SAME CONTINUATION OF THE SAME NO, IT'S A DIFFERENT POWERPOINT. 
          SO IT'S THE ONE WE HAD. 
          IT'S ZERO ONE THAT YOU SHOULD SEE THAT STARTS WITH C EIGHT. 
          NO CLOSE. 
          THAT'S THE ORIGINAL PACKET AT, THAT'S THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT'S THE, YOU WANT TO DRIVE THIS OR YOU? YEAH, THAT WAS TOTALLY FINE. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SIT IN ANDREW'S . 
          THAT WAS, WAS FROM THE EIGHTH GROUP. 
          SCOOT IT OVER ON WHAT? DID YOU GET THAT FROM JOANNE? THAT WAS THE ONE THAT'S IN OUR PACKET. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, THE THIRD EIGHT THREE. 
          JEREMIAH, WE'VE SAVED ALL OUR QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, PLEASE, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, PLEASE DO INTERRUPT ME. 
          UM, I HAVE HOPEFULLY A FAIRLY SHORT PRESENTATION, WHICH COULD BE VERY LONG. 
          IF WE, WE STOP AND WE TALK ABOUT THE FIGURES, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO DO. 
          SO, UH, JEREMIAH SIMPSON WITH KIMLEY HORN. 
          UM, I SIT IN OUR, OUR DOWNTOWN DENVER OFFICE. 
          UM, PARKING AND MOBILITY IS A VERY SPECIALIZED, UH, TOPIC OF STUDY. 
          AND SO OUR GROUP NATIONWIDE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, TOUCHES PARKING IN SOME, SOME FORM OR FASHION IS ABOUT A HUNDRED PROFESSIONALS. 
          UM, OUR PLANNING GROUP IS MUCH SMALLER. 
          WE'RE A GROUP OF ABOUT 25. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NICHE THAT WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY AND ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT, UH, PARKING TOUCHES SO MANY ASPECTS OF CITY PLANNING AND IS, UH, GENERALLY A DRIVER OF A LOT OF LAND USE, UH, IN OUR DOWNTOWN. 
          AND SO, UM, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          UM, AND YES, THANK YOU FOR ANDREW AND HIS LOCAL TEAM HERE IN PRESCOTT. 
          THEY'VE, UM, THEY'VE HELPED US OUT A LOT, UH, WITH SOME OF OUR DATA COLLECTION AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY HOSTING, UH, MY TEAMS WHEN WE'VE BEEN DOWN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES FOR DATA COLLECTION. 
          SO, UM, HERE'S WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO COVER TODAY. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME MORE DATA IN THE APPENDIX, WHICH WE CAN CERTAINLY GET INTO ON OUR DATA COLLECTION METHODOLOGY AND SOME OF OUR FINDINGS. 
          I REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS OUR TIME IN THE SLIDES TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR PROJECT IS INTENDED TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, INTRODUCE OUR TASK FORCE AND, UH, GIVE THIS COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, UM, THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          UM, I WILL GO BACK TO THE TITLE SLIDE. 
          UH, JUST WANNA CORRECT THE RECORD, UH, AND MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR. 
          MY, MY TASK FORCE WOULD BE VERY UPSET IF I, IF I LET IT STAND THAT WE WERE DOING A PARKING GARAGE STUDY. 
          UH, WE ARE SPECIFICALLY TASKED WITH COMING IN AND LOOKING AT KIND OF ALTERNATIVES TO ADDRESS THE PARKING CHALLENGES IN UPTOWN AND TILAK. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A STUDY TO SELECT THE FOREST ROAD GARAGE LOCATION ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          IT'S REALLY A STEADY AIM TO SAY, IS THERE A NEED FOR A GARAGE? ARE THERE OTHER ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AND CONSIDERING IN OUR DOWNTOWN PARKING, UH, SYSTEM? AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF A PARKING GARAGE IS NEEDED, THEN KIND OF OPENING, UH, THE, THE, THE DOOR, SO TO SPEAK, ON, ON WHETHER FOREST ROAD WAS, WAS SELECTED, UH, BASED ON KIND OF A MEASURABLE SET OF CRITERIA THAT WE'VE ALL AGREED TO IN A PROCESS THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND SO, UM, IT MAY BE THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDY DO NOT, IN FACT, UM, COME BACK AND TO THE SAME CONCLUSION ON THE PRIOR ANALYSIS. 
          UM, HAVE, UM, AND RECOMMENDED FOREST ROAD. 
          I'LL ALSO SAY THAT THIS IS THE INTERIM OR THE PROGRESS UPDATE. 
          UH, OUR TASK FORCE DOES NOT HAVE FINDINGS, UM, TO PRESENT TODAY. 
          WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE INTERIM DELIVERABLES. 
          WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PARKING DEMAND, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT OUR ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU ALL IN, UM, SEPTEMBER, EXCUSE ME, OCTOBER, OCTOBER 11TH, I BELIEVE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WITH A FINAL RECOMMENDATION AND SOME ACTIONABLE ITEMS FOR THIS GROUP. 
          SO TODAY'S A CHANCE TO GET INTO THE DATA AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, CERTAINLY ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT WE'RE AT THE MIDPOINT IN OUR STUDY TODAY. 
          SO MAYBE I CAN HAVE THE MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE, UM, JUST KIND OF RAISE THEIR HANDS. 
          WE CAN SEE WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES THAT HAVE JOINED US, TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD, AND A NUMBER OF CITY STAFF, ALL ALL LISTED HERE IN THE LEFT. 
          SO THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE GROUP THAT WE'VE MET WITH, UH, FIVE TIMES NOW TO TALK ABOUT PARKING ISSUES. 
          UH, AGAIN, MY NAME'S JEREMIAH SIMPSON. 
          UM, I BELIEVE WHEN OUR SCOPE OF WORK WAS APPROVED IN FRONT OF THIS BODY, 
          [01:10:01]
UM, PART OF MY RESUME WAS READ OUT. 
          UM, AND, AND I DID HIGHLIGHT ON LINKEDIN A LOT OF THE LARGER CITIES I'VE WORKED WITH, INCLUDING, UH, CITY OF DENVER, CITY OF DALLAS, UH, CITY OF SCOTTSDALE. 
          UM, I DID WANNA ALSO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED ON A, UH, PROJECTS IN OVER A DOZEN SMALLER AND TOURIST ORIENTED DOWNTOWNS. 
          AND SO WE DRAW ON A LOT OF, UM, PLACES THAT HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES. 
          UM, HOW TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH WITH KIND OF A LIMITED SUPPLY OF PARKING, UH, HOW TO DEAL WITH, UM, SUPPLY CONSTRAINTS, ESPECIALLY IN CITIES THAT MIGHT BE IN CANYONS OR TUCKED INTO KIND OF MOUNTAIN TOWNS WHERE PHYSICAL GROWTH IS VERY DIFFICULT AND LOTS MAY, MAY BE SHAPED, UM, NOT RECTANGULARLY. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO KIND OF GATEWAY COMMUNITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, RAPID CITY, UH, BEING ONE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE RAPID CITY AS A JUMPING OFF POINT TO VISIT BLACK HILLS AND, UH, MOUNT RUSHMORE AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING THINGS IN THAT AREA. 
          SO, UH, A LOT OF THESE TOWNS HAVE SEEN A HUGE UPTICK COMING OUTTA COVID. 
          UH, ECOTOURISM IS ON THE RISE, AND SO MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT OUR NATIONAL PARKS HAVE REALLY SEEN A BIG SPIKE, UM, OFTEN OVERLOADING INFRASTRUCTURE IN, IN AREAS THAT SERVE SOME OF THESE POPULAR DESTINATIONS. 
          AND SO IT'S CERTAINLY A CONCERN WITH AREAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT SEE A LOT OF, OF VISITOR TRAFFIC TO TRY TO KIND OF ADDRESS AND MANAGE, UH, BOTH TRAFFIC AND PARKING IMPACTS. 
          SO HOW DID WE GET HERE TODAY? UM, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS, UH, TOURISM, UM, HAS BEEN A MAJOR DRIVER FOR BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN AND TILAK AND OUR HOTEL OCCUPANCIES, AND ALSO DEVELOPMENT OF NEW HOTEL, UH, PROPERTIES. 
          UM, HUGE DRIVER OF TOURISM IN DOWNTOWN SEDONA. 
          UM, IT'S HARD TO ENVISION THIS COMMUNITY LOOKING THE SAME IF, UM, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A TOURISM BASE, IS, IS A PILLAR OF THE ECONOMY. 
          UM, 2005, A SERIES OF PARKING STUDIES WERE COMPLETED. 
          UH, ONE OF THE MAJOR ONES WAS THE, UH, WALTER P. MOORE STUDY, UH, LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT PARKING NEEDS AND THEN MOVING INTO KIND OF SITE SELECTION AND DESIGN CONCEPTS FOR NUMBER OF LOCATIONS FOR, UH, AN UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. 
          UH, THAT STUDY RECOMMENDED THE, THE NORTH FOREST ROAD LOCATION. 
          UM, AND IT WAS BASED ON A COUPLE OF DATA SETS IN MAY AND JUNE, BUT THERE WAS CERTAINLY A DESIRE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUST DATA COLLECTION AS PART OF OUR STUDY EFFORT. 
          AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE. 
          UH, IN DECEMBER OF 2019, UH, THIS COUNCIL OR, UM, MEMBERS WHO WERE, WHO WERE SEATED IN 2019 VOTED TO PROCEED WITH, UM, GARAGE DESIGN FOR THE FOREST ROAD LOCATION. 
          AND THEN MORE RECENTLY, THIS COUNCIL HAS, UH, REOPENED THE IDEA OF MAYBE FOREST ROAD, UH, NEEDS TO BE STUDIED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY RAISED SOME CONCERNS, INCLUDING THIS IDEA OF INDUCED DEMAND, PERHAPS PUTTING A, A GARAGE THERE ACTUALLY INDUCES MORE TRIPS, UH, TO THAT PART OF THE UPTOWN. 
          AND SO, KIMLEY HORNE IS THE ON-CALL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, PROVIDED A FOLLOW-UP SCOPE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS BROUGHT IN TO MANAGE THE EFFORT, UM, WITH A, A PARKING AND MOBILITY SPECIFIC FOCUS. 
          SO, JUST TO REITERATE, WE HIT THE SLIDE EVERY TIME WE MEET AS A TASK FORCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON OUR OBJECTIVES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE ANALYSIS IS COMPLICATED, BUT THE THREE, UH, QUESTIONS WE'RE TRYING TO ANSWER OUR FAIRLY SIMPLE. 
          UM, IT'S, IS THERE OUR GARAGE NEEDED TO MEET THE FUTURE NEEDS ON UPTOWN AND TILLOCK? IF SO, IS THE NORTH FOREST ROAD LOCATION STILL THE BEST OPTION? AND THEN HOW CAN THE UPTOWN AND TILLOCK PUBLIC PARKING SYSTEM, EITHER WITH OR WITHOUT THE GARAGE BEST SUPPORT THE CITY'S OVERALL PLAN AND VISION? AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, MITIGATING TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND, UM, INVESTING IN TRANSIT AND SWITCHING SOME OF OUR TRIPS, UH, TO OTHER MODES OF TRAVEL RATHER THAN A SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE, UM, TRIP. 
          UM, SO CERTAINLY THERE'S WAYS TO MANAGE YOUR PARKING TO, TO THAT END, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TASKED TO LOOK AT. 
          SO, AS I SAID, WE'RE ABOUT THE MIDPOINT THROUGH OUR SCHEDULE HERE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HOPE, UH, TO HAVE TASKS, UH, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN COMPLETED WITH OUR TASK FORCE IN THE COMING, UH, FIVE WEEKS OR SO. 
          UH, HAVE A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE HERE ABOUT SIX WEEKS OUT, AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS GROUP, UM, ON OCTOBER 11TH WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR TASK FORCE. 
          SO I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED THIS TO BE A VERY DATA-DRIVEN STUDY. 
          UM, HERE'S, UH, KRISTEN OUT OF OUR MESA OFFICE COUNTING CARS. 
          WE DID, UM, ABOUT FOUR DAYS OF, OF BOOTS IN THE GROUND DATA COLLECTION DURING SPRING BREAK WEEK. 
          UH, WE'VE ALSO FLOWN OUR, OUR DRONE FOR, UM, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT SURVEY DATES AND THREE ADDITIONAL UNSCHEDULED HERE FOR LATE AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER. 
          UH, THE DRONE, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, I CAN PULL UP SOME PICTURES PERHAPS AT THE END. 
          IT GIVES US A VERY HIGH RESOLUTION, UM, ABOUT 10 TIMES BETTER THAN A GOOGLE, UH, SATELLITE IMAGE THAT WE CAN ZOOM IN 
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ON EACH PARKING LOT, UH, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, UH, COUNT CARS, UH, IN THAT PARKING LOT USING SOME TOOLS AND IN OUR, IN OUR WEBSITE THAT HOSTS THE DRONE IMAGERY. 
          AND SO IT'S A, A VERY GOOD WAY TO GET A SNAPSHOT IN TIME OF PARKING CONDITIONS. 
          AND SO FOR EACH OF THE DRONE SURVEYS THAT YOU SEE, WE'VE FLOWN THE DRONE FOUR TIMES. 
          WE, WE COLLECTED SAMPLES AT AT 9:00 AM AT NOON, AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, AND AT SIX O'CLOCK, UH, IN THE EARLY EVENING, LATE AFTERNOON, THE DRONES IN THE AIR FOR ABOUT, UH, 20 TO 30 MINUTES TO COVER BOTH UPTOWN AND AK. 
          AND SO WE CAN SEE ALL THE CARS PARKED, UM, AT THAT FIRST 30 MINUTES, THE TOP OF THE HOUR, UM, THROUGH, THROUGH THE HALF HOUR IN IN THE STUDY AREA. 
          JEREMIAH, MAY I ASK SUNDAY, MONDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, UH, DATES PICK. 
          CAN YOU JUST TELL ME, GO WALK, WALK ME THROUGH YOUR PHILOSOPHY LOGIC ABOUT WHY NOT PICKING MIDWEEK DAYS TWO, IS IT REAL? ARE WE REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON PEAK OR SORT OF THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. 
          WE'VE TAKEN A SELECTION OF, OF KIND OF TYPICALLY HEAVIER DAYS, BUT WE'VE SCATTERED THEM, UM, BETWEEN KIND OF A, A PEAK AND A SHOULDER SEASON. 
          UH, REALLY WHAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF OCCUPANCY CONDITIONS THAT ARE, SAY OVER 85%, 90%, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING CALLED FRUSTRATED DEMAND, WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAYBE AREN'T, AREN'T PARKING. 
          SO WE WANT TO CAPTURE SOME NON-PEAK DAYS AS WELL. 
          UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN THESE SAMPLES AND WE'VE CALIBRATED THEM TO, UM, BOTH HOTEL OCCUPANCY DATA AND SOME OF OUR TRIP INFORMATION THAT WE HAD FOR VE KILLER TRIPS. 
          AND SO WE'VE DEVELOPED, UM, A MODEL THAT WE FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE IN, UH, JUST BASED ON THE SIX SURVEY DATES. 
          AND OF COURSE WE'LL HAVE THREE MORE TO ADD TO THAT DATA SET. 
          UM, AND IF IT'S IN REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO SEE A, A MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT FOR ONE OF OUR WEEKDAY COUNTS HERE, HERE TOWARD THE END OF THE MONTH. 
          WHY WOULDN'T, BASED ON WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK AND WHAT ARE YOU AFTER, WHAT ARE THE GOALS? SO, YEAH, BUT I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE SELECTION OF, OF THOSE DATES RELATIVE TO, I MEAN, YOU, YOU MENTIONED YOU WERE DOING KIND OF SOME OFF PEAK THINGS, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I SEE THAT FROM SUNDAY, MONDAY, FRIDAY DATE SELECTIONS. 
          YEAH, WE'LL PROBABLY WANNA CHOOSE A MONDAY, UM, MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY WEEKDAY, BECAUSE THE MARCH 13 WAS, WAS A MONDAY, BUT IT WAS ALSO SPRING BREAK WEEK. 
          SO WE'LL WANT TO GET KIND OF AN OFF PEAK OR SHOULDER SEASON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND I CAN GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, YOU MENTIONED, AND I SAW IN THE SLIDES AS I READ THROUGH THEM EARLIER, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT TRYING TO CALIBRATE WITH LODGING, UM, BUT IT'S TRADITIONAL LODGING, IS THAT CORRECT? SO HOW DO YOU COUNT FOR, OR WHAT DID YOU DO TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING IN NON-TRADITIONAL LODGING, STR AND THOSE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS SINCE WE HAVE A LOT OF S T R PEOPLE HERE? YEAH, SO I BELIEVE THE STAR REPORT, AND IT'S IN THE APPENDIX, I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT, THAT CAME OUT OF THE, UM, CHA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PROVIDED US THEIR HOTEL LODGING REPORTS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY, UM, THEY BANDED BOTH TRADITIONAL LODGING AND HAVE INFORMATION FROM, UH, V V R B O AND, AND SOME OF THE, THE ROOM RENTALS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PRIVATE TO PRIVATE RENTALS, BUT, UH, ENOUGH OF THE MARKET SHARE THAT, UM, I THINK ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS WHEN YOU'RE TAKING BROAD BRUSHES. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS KIND OF SEASONALITY. 
          I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION THERE THAT WE CAN BE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE'VE AT LEAST GOT THE PEAK MONTHS IDENTIFIED PRETTY WELL. 
          SO AGAIN, HERE'S KIND OF JUST THE SCHEDULE, UM, OUR TASK FORCE TO DATE. 
          UM, WE'VE DRAFTED A POLICY STATEMENT, WE'VE SET UP A MATRIX. 
          I WANNA PRESENT THOSE TWO THINGS TODAY. 
          UH, THE MATRIX IS GONNA BE USED TO EVALUATE DIFFERENT POTENTIAL APPROACHES, UM, TO PARKING, UH, CONGESTION. 
          UM, OUR NEXT STEPS ARE TO MEET, UH, HERE NEXT WEEK, UM, AND HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON KIND OF WHAT OUR ALTERNATIVES, UH, WILL CONSIST OF. 
          UM, HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER THE GARAGE OR A GARAGE IS NEEDED, UM, AND THEN COMPARE THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AGAINST OUR SET OF CRITERIA. 
          I'M GONNA SHOW YOU HOW THAT WORKS IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE HERE IN SEPTEMBER, AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THIS BODY IN OCTOBER WITH SOME FINAL, UM, FINAL THOUGHTS. 
          PROBABLY NOT FINAL THOUGHTS. 
           THE BEST THOUGHTS WE CAN COME UP WITH BETWEEN NOW AND OCTOBER. 
          SO, UH, WHEN WOULD, WHEN DO YOU WANT US TO JUMP IN? 
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'CAUSE I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE, BUT I DON'T WANNA, WE COULD COME BACK TO IT. 
          OH, WELL WE DO IT NOW. 
          YEAH, DO IT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE ON SCHEDULE, SO THIS IS A GREAT, OKAY. 
          SO WE HAD A, UH, PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE BEFORE WE PUT A STOP TO THE GARAGE, AND IT WAS AT THE HUB, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS, BUT IT'S ON, AT THE PARK PAST THE GROUNDS PARK. 
          AND IT HAD KIOSKS, BASICALLY LITTLE OR LITTLE TABLES SET UP WITH PRESENTATIONS TO SHOW THE PUBLIC WHAT WE WERE DOING OR WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED. 
          AND IT WAS NOT, IT WAS ATTENDED, NOT ALL THAT WELL ATTENDED. 
          AND, UH, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, ALTHOUGH KAREN SAID THE OTHER DAY IT WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE IT STOPPED THE PROJECT, WHICH IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTED. 
          BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN COMMUNICATING TO, TO PEOPLE. 
          IF OUR GOAL WAS TO EDUCATE THEM, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE EDUCATED. 
          I THINK THEY WERE FRUSTRATED, AND THEREFORE IT REINFORCED WHY THEY WANTED THE PROJECT TO BE DELAYED. 
          THEN WE'RE DOING A COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, AND WE HAD FOR OUR HOUSING SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND OPEN HOUSE AT WEST SEDONA SCHOOL THAT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED. 
          AND ALTHOUGH THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THERE, I THOUGHT WITH NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THE, FOR Q AND A, UH, IT CERTAINLY WAS BETTER ATTENDED. 
          AND, UH, AND IT WAS ON A STAGE AS OPPOSED TO IN, YOU KNOW, LITTLE, UH, TABLES AND, AND SETUPS. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE MOST WELL ATTENDED OPEN HOUSE THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE COULD LEARN FROM GOOD AND BAD EXPERIENCES THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          AND THE, UH, WHILE TRADITIONALLY WHEN WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT IMPACTS THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, WE LOOK AT IT 300 FEET AROUND THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND WE SEND OUT NOTICES TO ME, THE PARKING ISSUES IN UPTOWN AFFECT EVERYBODY IN UPTOWN BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED, UH, ABILITY TO LEAVE UPTOWN, YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF, OF EXITS. 
          SO CARS ALL COMING OUT, ONE OR TWO, YOU KNOW, JORDAN ROAD OR FOREST ROAD. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT IN ORDER TO BROAD, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BROADENED. 
          AND, AND I'D LIKE JUST TO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND HEAR WHAT, UH, MY COLLEAGUES FEEL ON COUNCIL THAT THIS, I WISH WE HAD MORE THAN ONE. 
          UH, I KNOW YOUR CONTRACT HAS ONE. 
          I WISH WE HAD MORE THAN ONE, BUT THIS ONE TO ME, UH, NEEDS TO BE VERY WIDE, WIDELY DISSEMINATED. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A NOTICE TO EVERY HOUSE IN UPTOWN THAT THIS IS HAPPENING, AS OPPOSED TO OUR NORMAL 300 FEET AROUND PARKING GARAGE AREA. 
          AND SINCE THIS IS A STUDY THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A CONCLUSION YET, RIGHT, IN TERMS OF WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED, IF IT WOULD BE LOCATED, I THINK THAT THAT WARRANTS A MUCH BROADER SET OF NOTICES AS WELL AS SOCIAL MEDIA AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES BASED. 
          MAY I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE ASKING THAT THE NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC MEETING GO OUT TO A BROADER RANGE? YEAH. 
          EVERY, EVERY RESIDENCE IN UPTOWN, UM, MAILING, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA BE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR TO HAVE A MEETING SIMILAR TO THE HOUSING MEETING, RIGHT. 
          UH, AT THE MIDDLE, AT THE, UH, WEST SEDONA SCHOOL. 
          OKAY. 
          TO BE PREPARED FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR MORE PEOPLE THAN WE WERE ACCOMMODATING AT THE HUB. 
          SO WEST SEDONA SCHOOL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL NUMBERS WERE, BUT THERE WERE, I THINK THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MEETING AT THE HUB? NO, NO, IT WAS, BUT IT WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT WAS LAND USE RELATED TO HOUSING AND RIGHT. 
          ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          I MEAN, THIS WAS A SPECIFIC MASTER PLAN PROJECT. 
          WELL, THIS WAS ACTUALLY FOR THE PROJECT DESIGN, SO IT WASN'T, THIS IS MORE BROAD BECAUSE IT'S AN UPTOWN ASSESSMENT. 
          YES, THAT'S 
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WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN SEND MAILERS OUT, UM, IN TERMS OF DETERMINING WHAT THE APPROPRIATE FORMAT IS FOR THAT MEETING. 
          THAT I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO CERTAINLY TALK WITH JEREMIAH, UM, SINCE HE'S THE LEAD AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS BEST TYPICALLY ON THESE KINDS OF PLANNING EFFORTS THAT HAVE TECHNICAL COMPONENTS AND MULTIPLE COMPONENTS. 
          WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED TO GRAVITATE IN ALMOST UNIVERSALLY FOR SIM TO THESE KINDS OF OPEN HOUSE TYPE OF, OF SETTINGS, BECAUSE IT IS MORE MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT WHEN A RESIDENT, A BUSINESS, A STAKEHOLDER CAN HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH A TECHNICAL EXPERT AND, AND ASK THEIR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          IN THAT EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE OF THAT MEETING, IT WAS, IT WAS SOMEONE STANDING ON A STAGE PROVIDING INFORMATION. 
          SO IT WAS NOT THAT KIND OF, HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, TYPICALLY IN THESE OPEN HOUSES, YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT SET, UH, STATIONS SET UP WITH INFORMATION MATERIALS LIKE THE, THE TABLES AND GRAPHS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE WITH EXPLANATIONS OF WHAT WAS DONE. 
          SO IT'S COUNSEL CAN, CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF FORMAT YOU WANT TO USE. 
          UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY THOSE OPEN HOUSES WITH A DEEPER, MORE EN ENRICHING ABILITY TO ENGAGE AND, AND ANSWER BACK AND FORTH QUESTIONS, TYPICALLY IS MORE EFFECTIVE. 
          AND PEOPLE DO FIND IT MORE USEFUL THAN SHOWING UP AT A BIG PUBLIC MEETING WHERE SOMEONE SPITS THEM OUT A BUNCH OF INFORMATION AND THEN THEIR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS NEVER GET, YOU KNOW, THEY NEVER GET DRILLED DOWN ON. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I'LL RESPOND TO THAT AND THEN I, I'LL LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE, THERE WASN'T ONE PERSON. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS UNIVERSAL. 
          THERE'S ONE PERSON WHO SPOKE TO ME WHO FELT THAT THE HUB MEETING WAS BENEFICIAL. 
          THEY DID NOT FEEL THAT THEIR QUESTIONS WERE RESOLVED. 
          AND THERE WERE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE COULDN'T FIND AN EXPERT TO ANSWER A QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THEY JUST WEREN'T THERE, THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE, AND WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS TRYING TO SEND THEM AROUND TO DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          SO I DON'T THINK PEOPLE FELT THAT, THAT THAT WAS, I DON'T THINK THEY FELT SATISFIED. 
          THE OTHER MEETING, THE HOUSING MEETING, AND IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE DIFFERENT, I MEAN, BUT YOU COULD BE ON A STAGE AND YOU COULD SHOW ALL THESE GRAPHICS AND THEN THE AUDIENCE, YOU COULD OPEN IT UP FOR Q AND A WHERE EVERYONE HEARS WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE AND EVERYBODY HEARS WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE. 
          AND IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, ENGAGING. 
          UM, THE HOUSING ONE, EVERYONE I SPOKE TO THOUGHT IT WAS AN EXCELLENT MEETING. 
          SO THAT'S JUST THE, THE DIFFERENCE. 
          I KNOW THEY WERE DIFFERENT TOPICS, BUT IT'S ABOUT HOW INFORMATION WAS GATHERED RECEIVED. 
          AND I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT THIS IS SUCH A VOLATILE ISSUE AND THERE'S ONLY ONE MEETING THAT IT BE AS BROAD BASED AND AS, AND AS OPEN TO LISTENING AS POSSIBLE, AS OPPOSED TO FOREGONE CONCLUSIONS THAT THEY'RE REACTING TO. 
          SO, UM, NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT I DEFINITELY HEARD DIRECTLY FROM PEOPLE THAT FELT THAT THAT MEETING WAS BENEFICIAL. 
          AND WHICH ONE, THE HU THE HUB MEETING? YEAH. 
          UM, I, I'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS BEFORE WHERE IT'S THERE THERE'S GONNA BE TENSION AND THERE'S GONNA BE FOLKS THAT WANNA BE HEARD AND, UM, TAKE UP A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE TIME ON, ON, ON THEIR CERTAIN TOPIC. 
          AND I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE BEFORE THAT COME UP AND SAY, I REALLY WISH I COULD HAVE HAD SOME ONE-ON-ONE TIME WITH YOU. 
          AND I END UP HAVING TO INVITE THEM TO MY OFFICE BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE IT WAS A WASTE OF TIME HAVING THEIR TIME MONOPOLIZED BY THIS PERSON THAT WAS HIGHLY ENERGIZED ABOUT THEIR FEELING ON, ON THE SITUATION. 
          BUT IT WAS COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC FROM WHAT THAT PERSON WAS CONCERNED WITH, THAT, THAT'S WHY WITH THE HUB MEETING, WE HAD DIFFERENT TOPICS FOR FOLKS TO GO GET ADDRESSED IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I WAS, I'M SAD TO HEAR THAT PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO TALK TO. 
          'CAUSE I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD'VE LOOKED TO ME . 
          AND, AND I WAS THERE 
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WALKING AROUND TRYING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S THE INTENT IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO GO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, OR YOU WANT TO GO TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING, OR YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MULTIMODAL OR, OR ANY OF THESE DIFFERENT TOPICS, WE HAD A STATION SPECIFIC TO EACH OF THOSE TOPICS THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO HEAR ABOUT A TOPIC THAT THEY WERE NOT EVEN CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          SO THINK ABOUT IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE SELLING AT THE GARAGE AT THAT HUB MEETING, WE WERE SELLING THE PLAN, AND PEOPLE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT BLASTING, YOU KNOW, AND SOIL EROSION AND TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, BRINGING, UM, IN, IN, UM, HUGE VOLUMES OF, OF, UH, OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE, WE WERE TRYING TO SELL THE CONCEPT AT THE MEETING FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          WE WERE PRESENTING CONCEPTS AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK. 
          SO WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS THIS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE? CAN I QUICKLY ANSWER THAT, THAT WE'RE A BUNCH OF ENGINEERS AND PLANNERS, , WE DON'T SELL. 
          SO IF WE NEED TO BRING IN SALESPEOPLE, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          BUT THAT IS NOT OUR FORTE. 
          LIKE IF WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE OUT INFORMATION AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET ACROSS THAT THIS IS VALID, GOOD INFORMATION, AND IF THAT COMES ACROSS AS SELLING SOMETHING, BECAUSE I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT TAKE IT THAT WAY, AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HELP THEM WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN WITH AN AGENDA AND THEY SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO HEAR BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I KNOW. 
          AND WE SAY, WELL, HERE ARE THE FACTS. 
          AND THEY DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN LINE WITH WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GO WITH, WITH THE DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I, I DON'T THINK HAVING ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS OR ONE OF OUR STAFF UP ON A STAGE TO BE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ATTACKED BY A BUNCH OF FOLKS THAT ARE HEATED OVER A, OVER A, A TOPIC IS GONNA BE PRODUCTIVE. 
          IT WAS NOT THAT WAY AT ALL AT THE HOUSING MEETING. 
          NOBODY WAS ATTACKED. 
          THE NEIGHBOR, THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION. 
          THEY, NO, THEY WERE VERY CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECTS THAT WERE ON THERE AS WELL. 
          HOUSING IS VERY CONTROVERSIAL. 
          DENSITY. 
          AND THOSE SUBJECTS, THE WORK GROUP WHO FORMULATED THAT, AND IT WAS AN EXCELLENT MEETING. 
          IT WAS EXTREMELY WELL ATTENDED, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO SELL HOUSING AT THAT MEETING. 
          THE, THE MEETING ON THE DESIGN OF THE GARAGE WAS, WE AS STAFF, WERE CHARGED WITH OBTAINING A DESIGN FOR A STRUCTURE THAT HAD A LOT OF COMPLEXITIES TO IT. 
          AND PEOPLE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL KINDS OF, ALL THE THINGS ANDY JUST DESCRIBED, AND WE WERE TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT WAS DONE AND WHAT IT CONTAINED. 
          SO I ACTUALLY SEE THOSE MEETINGS AS BEING COMPLETELY RIGHT. 
          THE, THE FLIP OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING BRIAN HAS, HAS HAND UP AND THEN KATHY. 
          SO MY WAY IN SINCE VICE MAYOR, YOU WERE KINDA LIKE, I, YOU WERE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT OTHERS THOUGHT. 
          SO I THINK THE RIGHT ANSWER IS IN BETWEEN THE TWO MEETINGS AS DESCRIBED. 
          SO THE HOUSING MEETING, I THOUGHT THE PRESENTATION WAS EXCEPTIONALLY TOO LONG, AND IT ACTUALLY MINIMIZED THE AMOUNT OF TIME AVAILABLE FOR INTERACTION AND Q AND A AND PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE JUST BURNED OUT BY THAT POINT. 
          SO I THINK THAT IT WAS TOO LONG. 
          BUT I DO THINK THAT 10 MINUTES, 15 AT THE ABSOLUTE MOST OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE KEY FINDINGS AND THE PROJECT TO DATE, I THINK TOTALLY MAKES SENSE. 
          AND THEN BREAK IT UP INTO SMALL GROUPS, ALLAH, WHAT ANDY WAS TALKING ABOUT FROM THE HUB MEETING. 
          SO I THINK IT'S JUST MINIMIZING THAT PRESENTATION TIME UPFRONT AND EITHER, YEAH, JUST DON'T TAKE ANY Q AND A FROM THE STAGE. 
          IF ANYTHING, YOU CAN GUESS WHAT THE TOP THREE MOST VOLATILE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE IN YOUR PRESENTATION WITH. 
          AND FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE THE THREE MOST POPULAR QUESTIONS TONIGHT, HERE'S YOUR ANSWER. 
          AND NOW YOU CAN COME TALK WITH ANY OF US INDIVIDUALLY AS YOU SEE FIT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, KATHLEEN. 
          AND I HAVE A POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK COUNCILOR FOLTZ HAS IT, RIGHT? THERE'S A HYBRID. 
          WHAT WAS LACKING FOR ME AT THE MEETING AT THE HUB WAS ANY SORT OF THE SYNTHESIS OF THE INFORMATION. 
          SOMETHING THAT GAVE THE OVERARCHING PRESENTATION FIRST, AND THEN I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO BREAKING IT DOWN BY SUBJECT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN A SMALLER GROUP OF WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, BUT IT WAS MISSING THAT. 
          AND KAREN, I DO AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I THOUGHT THAT THE HOUSING MEETING 
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WAS THE SALES MEETING, UM, . 
          UH, BUT I, BUT IT REALLY WAS, AND I SEE THE PROS AND CONS TO EACH, BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK THE HYBRID IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          PEOPLE WITHOUT HAVING SOME SORT OF DIRECTION OF WHAT'S ALREADY ASSUMED WHERE WE ARE, A TIMELINE, UM, A FRAMEWORK, IT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT AS PRODUCTIVE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I FOUND AT THE MEETING AT THE HUB. 
          YEAH, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. 
          AND I THINK AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED TO DATE, THE PROCESS, THE FINDINGS, SO EVERYONE OBTAINS THE SAME INFORMATION AND THEN THEY CAN DRILL DOWN ON THEIR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. 
          I THINK FOR ME, THAT'S FINE. 
          THIS CONVERSATION STARTED WITH A QUESTION ABOUT NOTIFICATION THOUGH, AND HOW WIDE NOTIFICATIONS GOING TO GO. 
          I DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT RESOLVED TONIGHT. 
          UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, I FEEL BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IN UPTOWN AFFECTS CHAPEL. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IN CHAPEL AFFECTS WEST SEDONA. 
          I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE NOTICED ABOUT THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING, BUT PULLING TOGETHER A CITYWIDE MAILING THAT GOES TO EVERY SINGLE RESIDENCE AND BUSINESS IS, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A FIVE FIGURE EFFORT, BUT IT ALSO JUST TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND PLANNING THAT I, I DON'T THINK WE COULD NOTICE THE ENTIRE CITY IN TIME FOR THIS MEETING. 
          WE COULD CERTAINLY FOCUS IN ON UPTOWN SPECIFICALLY, AND WE WILL DO ALL OF OUR OTHER NORMAL COMMUNICATION SOCIAL PRESS RELEASE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT INFORMATION OUT TO TRY TO SOLICIT, UH, PARTICIPATION BEYOND UPTOWN. 
          BUT, BUT YOU ARE COMMITTED TO A MAILING TO ALL OF THE UPTOWN RESIDENCES AND BUSINESSES. 
          SORRY, WE WE'RE GOING TO, BASED ON THE DATE TODAY, I AM GOING TO GO FIGURE OUT HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET A MAILER PULLED TOGETHER WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT AND, AND, AND DONE. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A FEW THOUSAND. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, YOU HAD A COMMENT? YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR, AND THANKS FOR THE QUESTIONS AND THAT ANSWER, KAREN. 
          I, FOR ONE, I'M NOT THE BIGGEST FAN OF MAILERS. 
          UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GO INTO THE NEXT GENERATION, AND I THINK WE'RE DOING A BETTER AND BETTER JOB OF, OF DOING IT, AND WE GET FAR BROADER REACH, ESPECIALLY FOR THE COST. 
          UH, AND WE ALL CAN PLAY A ROLE TOO, AND WE SHOULD, AND I THINK WE WILL. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE MAILER ASPECT OF IT IN TERMS OF THE WORKSHOP ASPECT. 
          I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THE DIRECTION THAT'S KIND OF DEVELOPING HERE ABOUT THE HYBRID. 
          THE LAYER THAT I'LL PUT IN HERE IS ONCE WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION, WE, WHENEVER THE FORM OF THE BREAKOUT IS, IT'S NOT AT THE LITTLE TABLES WITH A LITTLE GROUP THAT GETS DOMINATED BY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE AT THE, AT THE TABLE. 
          I, IT'S A, I WAS, I REMAINED SUPER, UH, IMPRESSED, FAVORABLY IMPRESSED FROM THE, UH, THE PRIMARY LATINO OUTREACH MEETING THAT HAPPENED AT THE LIBRARY ABOUT THE END OF THE SHARED USE PASS IN THE HARMONY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IT WAS FASCINATING TO ME TO WATCH THE NEIGHBORS GATHER TOGETHER AND TALK, AND THEN SOMEONE WOULD DECIDE TO GO TALK TO A STAFF MEMBER AND THEN THEY'D TALK AGAIN, AND THEN THEY'D GO, MAN, SOME OF IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS IN SPANISH PRIMARILY, AND, AND NOT SO MUCH ENGLISH. 
          BUT I THOUGHT THAT DYNAMIC WAS WONDERFUL. 
          UH, I'VE SEEN BAD IMPLEMENTATIONS OF THE LITTLE ROUND TABLE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT A QUESTION AND BLAH, BLAH. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WORKS VERY WELL. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND MY OPINION IS THIS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID, KAREN'S, UH, DESCRIPTION OF THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEETINGS. 
          NOT ONLY WERE THEY TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEETINGS AND WAS WAS HOUSING, UH, A SALES PITCH? IT WAS, AND FOR GOOD REASON. 
          BUT MOST PEOPLE ATTENDED THAT MEETING BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS WE HAVE A HOUSING PROBLEM. 
          AND THEN THEY WERE LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE WERE LOOKING TO ADDRESS THAT HOUSING PROBLEM FOR THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. 
          WE HAVE TWO DIVIDED OPINIONS. 
          EVERYBODY IN THE HOUSING GROUP, THEY WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          HERE WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY DIVIDED, WE HAVE, I'VE HAD PEOPLE TELL ME, NO WAY, NO, HOW DO THEY WANNA SEE A PARKING GARAGE FOR WHAT? AND THEY GAVE ME THE REASON I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THAT. 
          I HAD A BUSINESS OWNER SAYING, WE NEED THAT PARKING, UH, FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. 
          REAL, REAL CONCERNS ON BOTH SIDES. 
          HOW WE CAN BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING WE'RE GONNA DO, WHATEVER THAT BEST, THE BEST METHOD OF DOING THAT TO BRING, BRING THE MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY IF WE HAVE TO NOTIFY, UH, ALL THE RESIDENTS TO COME TO ONE MEETING AND WHATEVER THAT MEETING IS CAN BE DECIDED. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BRING THE TWO SIDES TOGETHER 
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AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU WANNA GO ON JEREMIAH, WHAT, MELISSA, PLEASE. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE MEETING. 
          I WANT TO GO BACKWARDS FOR A SECOND. 
          SO JEREMIAH, I THOUGHT I SAW IN ONE OF YOUR EARLIER, UM, SLIDES THAT YOU WERE ALSO PLANNING ON COLLECTING DATA SORT OF IN OUR MORE DOWN SEASON. 
          SO DURING THIS MONTH TO, TO I, IS THAT STILL TRUE? YES. 
          END OF END OF THIS MONTH. 
          IT MIGHT GET PUSHED INTO SEPTEMBER BASED ON MY DRAWING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YES, SO, SO GREAT. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S HOLD THAT FOR A SECOND. 
          WE'VE GOT DATA YOU'VE COLLECTED, WHICH YOU SAY YOU'RE AT THE MIDPOINT OF DOING THE ANALYSIS FOR, WHICH WAS DURING ONE OF OUR PEAK PERIODS. 
          YOU HAVE SOME MORE DATA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COLLECT, WHICH IS IN ONE OF OUR NON-PEAK PERIODS. 
          THE DATE HERE, SEPTEMBER 7TH IS FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW. 
          UM, AND IT'S BASICALLY TWO WEEKS AFTER YOU'VE COLLECTED POTENTIALLY YOUR AUGUST DATA. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO BE READY TO COME IN FRONT OF US AND SAY WHAT YOUR CONCLUSION WOULD BE REGARDING, DO YOU NEED A PARKING GARAGE? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY STATED, AND MAYBE, MAYBE I HAD WISHFUL HEARING OR SOMETHING, BUT I I I COULD SWEAR THAT IT WAS STATED, YOU DON'T KNOW YET WHETHER OR NOT A A PARKING GARAGE IS REQUIRED. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MULTIMODAL IS GOING TO FIT INTO THIS BECAUSE WE, WE HAVEN'T, I KNOW ROBERT'S BACK HERE AND, UH, WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED YET ALL THE IMPACTS OF TRANSIT AND THE POTENTIAL OF TRANSIT INSIDE OF PEOPLE MOVING AND PARKING THEIR CARS. 
          UM, YOU, YOU HAVE, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT EVEN SURE WHETHER OR NOT THE FOREST ROAD LOCATION WOULD BE THE RIGHT PLACE FOR US TO PUT A GARAGE. 
          SHOULD WE NEED ONE? HAVE I MISHEARD THOSE STATEMENTS? NO, YOU HAVEN'T. 
          UM, I MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE DETAIL AS WE GET THROUGH THE SLIDES THAT WILL HELP TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          SO I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU THE PREVIEW NOW. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE, ON THE DATES, WE HAVE DONE DATA COLLECTION, UM, THAT WE HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DESIGN DAY CONDITIONS. 
          THIS IS TE A TERM THAT WE USE IN PLANNING, UH, TO REPRESENT A CERTAIN THRESHOLD THAT YOU WOULD, UM, YOU WOULD BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE TO, UH, IN PARKING, WE TYPICALLY CHOOSE AN 85TH PERCENTILE. 
          SO WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT THROUGH THE DATA THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED. 
          UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT OUT. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS IS, IS NO PROBLEM. 
          WHAT WE DO IS WE ADD ANOTHER TAB TO OUR SPREADSHEET AND IT FITS INTO OUR MODEL. 
          SO IT MAY HAVE, UM, IMPACT ON, UM, SOME OF THE GRAPHS, UM, THAT YOU'LL SEE TODAY BY ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL DATES. 
          UM, IT MIGHT MOVE THE NEEDLE BY A COUPLE OF SPACES, YOU KNOW, SINGLE DIGITS ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. 
          BUT I FEEL LIKE, UM, THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE A, A VERY SUBSTANTIAL, LIKE WE NEED WEEKS AND WEEKS AND WEEKS TO PROCESS THAT. 
          SO THAT'S ON THE OCCUPANCY SIDE OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE IN, IN AUGUST. 
          UM, WE'VE DONE A PRETTY ROBUST DATA COLLECTION EFFORT SO FAR. 
          A FEW MORE DATES OF DATA COLLECTION WILL BE INTERESTING TO US, UM, BUT IT WILL NOT KIND OF CHANGE A LOT OF THE CONCLUSIONS THAT WE'VE KIND OF ARRIVED AT ON SUPPLY DEMAND. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF MULTIMODAL, WE'VE ALSO KIND OF TAKEN A FACTOR IN OUR MODEL, UM, ALREADY TAKEN A STAB AT THAT, AGAIN, SUBJECT TO SOME REFINEMENT, BUT WE'VE MADE GOOD PROGRESS ON A LOT OF WHAT YOU'VE RAISED ALREADY. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US AS A TASK FORCE TO HAVE, UM, A CONSIDERED SET OF ALTERNATIVES TO BRING FORWARD FOR THE PUBLIC MEETING. 
          SO I DO KIND OF RESPECT YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT DATES. 
          AND WE ARE MEETING THREE MORE TIMES OVER THE NEXT THREE WEEKS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT A LOT, WHICH IS, IS A GARAGE NEEDED? WE HAVE SOME SUPPLY DEMAND CONCLUSIONS. 
          IS A GARAGE NEEDED TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCLUSIONS? AND IF NOT, OR IF E EITHER WITH A GARAGE OR WITH WITHOUT A GARAGE, WHAT DOES OUR LIST OF SOLUTIONS INCLUDE? UM, RIGHT, IT MIGHT BE INTERCEPTS LOTS, IT MIGHT BE EXPANDING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SURFACE PARKING ON FOREST ROAD. 
          IT MIGHT BE ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, A, A FIRE DEPARTMENT MOVE WHERE WE CAN CONSOLIDATE THAT LOT. 
          IT MIGHT BE A SERIES OF OTHER ALTERNATIVES, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MENU LOOK LIKE? AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BRING FORWARD IN THE PUBLIC MEETING IS THIS IS HOW THE TASK FORCE HAS DONE THEIR WORK. 
          UH, THIS IS OUR CONCLUSION ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE OF THE EQUATION. 
          AND THEN HERE ARE, UM, OUR MENU OF, 
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UM, ALTERNATIVES AGAINST THE MATRIX, WHICH I DO WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALSO TONIGHT. 
          DOES THAT, WE CAN TABLE THAT AND COME BACK TO IT, PLEASE, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET THROUGH A FEW MORE OF THE TABLES. 
          I I WOULD, I WOULD TABLE IT 'CAUSE I HAVE CONCERNS, BUT YOU RIGHT, YOU DID. 
          BUT WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING TO IT LATER IN THE YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I, YOU STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT MY ANSWER. 
          I GET IT. 
          SO WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT 17. 
          UM, I'M GONNA KIND OF JUST GO VERY QUICKLY 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME KIND OF TALKING ABOUT KIND OF PROCESS, UM, AND THE PUBLIC MEETING AND THE FORMAT. 
          AND THIS IS ALL VERY HELPFUL AND GOOD, BUT THE TASK FORCE DOES, HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK. 
          I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR HARD WORK. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE USED A, A VIRTUAL WHITEBOARD TO KIND OF, TO BRAINSTORM. 
          WE HAD PULLED OUT A LOT OF THESE GOALS, UM, AS AS STARTER DISCUSSION FROM, YOU KNOW, THE SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OVER THE PAST, UM, 5, 6, 7 YEARS. 
          AND THEN THE TASK FORCE CAME UP WITH SOME NEW THOUGHTS. 
          AND OUR, OUR MEETING WAS ENTIRELY ABOUT GETTING THOSE THOUGHTS ON THE WHITEBOARD AND KIND OF ORGANIZING THEM. 
          AND WHERE WE HAD, UH, MULTIPLE PEOPLE THINKING THAT THINGS WERE A HIGH PRIORITY, LIKE REDUCING VEHICLE CONGESTION IN UPTOWN TO LOCKA. 
          THAT WAS A BIG VOTE GETTER. 
          AND SO THAT'S OUR PROCESS WHERE WE TOOK A LOT OF KIND OF VERY POSITIVE VALUES FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICTS, UPTOWN AND TILLOCK. 
          AND WE REALLY WANTED TO NARROW IN ON WHAT, UM, WHAT A PARKING AND MOBILITY SOLUTION FOR THESE AREAS WOULD ACCOMPLISH. 
          AND SO THIS IS THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH, UH, FOR THE CRITERIA. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT, UM, KIND OF THE BIG STATEMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, FULFILLING THE OBJECTIVES, WHICH ARE TO REDUCE THE VEHICLE CONGESTION, UM, PRIORITIZE THE SAFETY FOR ALL THE MODES AND PRESERVING THAT RESIDENT AND EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS AND EGRESS, UH, IMPROVE THE UPTOWN DISTRICT WALKABILITY, BIKEABILITY AND A D A ACCESS AND PROMOTE TRANSIT AND MICRO MOBILITY OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND I WILL SAY, WHEN WE SAY UPTOWN DISTRICT, WE MEAN OUR FULL STUDY AREA. 
          SO UPTOWN AND TILLOCK, UM, MAKE PUBLIC PARKING EASY TO FIND AND NAVIGATE, UH, PRESERVE THE NATURE AND ENVIRONMENT AND HISTORIC CHARM OF THE CHARACTER OF SEDONA AND RIGHTSIZE THE PUBLIC PARKING CONTEXT OF OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE AND ACCESS INVESTMENTS. 
          AND SO WE'VE COME UP WITH A WAY, UH, TO MEASURE THOSE CRITERIA IN A WEIGHTED, UM, SCALE TO SAY, THESE ARE WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT, THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, IT'S A LIST OF SIX. 
          SO IF THEY WEREN'T IMPORTANT, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THE LIST. 
          UM, AND SO THESE ARE ARE JUST A WAY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A TIE ON ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE PARTICULAR, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, OPTION, BUT IT, IT FULFILLS THE REDUCING VEHICLE CONGESTION BETTER, THEN THAT'S GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT HIGHER WEIGHT ON OUR MATRIX. 
          AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF ABSORB A LITTLE BIT ON HOW THIS WOULD BE APPLIED. 
          AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF, UM, DISCUSSION IN OUR TASK FORCE. 
          WHEN WE SAY ALTERNATIVES, I THINK IT'S BEEN LOOSELY THROWN OUT THERE IN, YOU KNOW, PAST DOCUMENTS, LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES IN TERMS OF SITE SELECTION. 
          AND I THINK IN CONTEXT OF OUR OBJECTIVES, WE REALLY WANT ALTERNATIVES TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS THIS IS A FULL RANGE OF, YOU KNOW, UM, BOTH, UM, PARKING, UM, GARAGE PARKING LOT, AND THEN NON-PAR ALTERNATIVES CAN ALSO USE THIS MINE. 
          IT'S THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA CALL ON YOU JESSICA, SO, OOPS. 
          UH, BUT THANKS FOR, UH, SPEAKING UP. 
          YES, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO, HOW TO ASK A QUESTION AT THIS POINT. 
          YOU'RE PERFECT. 
          JUST WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          UM, BACK UP THERE, I'M SORRY. 
          I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT AND AESTHETIC OF UPTOWN. 
          I HAVE REAL DESIGN AND KIND OF, UM, THOSE KINDS OF CONCERNS ABOUT IT, ABOUT, UM, WHETHER A PARKING GARAGE OR ANY OTHER PARKING, UM, STRATEGY IS GOING TO PROMOTE, UM, UH, A A VISION OF UPTOWN IN THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN WORK FOR THAT WOULD CREATE A MORE WALKABLE AND AESTHETICALLY DESIGN ORIENTED UPTOWN ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS LACKING WITH THE CURRENT DISPERSED PARKING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IS THAT IN HERE UNDER PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, OR IS THAT NOT IN HERE AT ALL? I THINK THE ISSUES THAT YOU RAISED ARE PROBABLY 
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BETWEEN THE PRESERVED NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, HISTORIC CHARM, AND THEN ALSO IMPROVE THE WALKABILITY AND BIKEABILITY OF OUR UPTOWN DISTRICT. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE, BUT THAT, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THAT CONSIDERATION OF, OF A FUTURE UPTOWN THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT AND MORE AESTHETIC IS GOING TO BE PART OF THIS CONCERN, PART OF THIS EVALUATION. 
          IS THAT A QUESTION OR A STATEMENT? YEAH. 
          UH, J JESSICA, IS THAT A QUESTION OR A STATEMENT? YOU HONOR YEAH, I'M ASKING, THAT'S A QUESTION I PUT A QUESTION MARK AT THE END. 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T SEE, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT QUESTION MARK, BUT I'M SORRY, I I I MEANT IT TO BE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT I MENTIONED ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THE EVALUATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THERE'S YOUR QUESTION. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY ARE REFLECTED IN THE CRITERIA, THEY WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID QUITE A LOT OF WORK WITH OUR TASK FORCE TO ARRIVE AT THE VERBIAGE ON THE SCREEN. 
          AND SO WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB PULLING TOGETHER KIND OF A DIVERSE SET OF, YOU KNOW, OF VALUES INTO THE GROUP. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY A SINGLE SOLUTION THAT WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT PROBABLY ISN'T GONNA SPEAK TO THE ENTIRE AESTHETIC OF UPTOWN UNTIL LOCKA POCKE IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE CAN EVALUATE, YOU KNOW, HOW A SINGLE OPTION EITHER DOES THAT WELL OR DOESN'T DO THAT WELL. 
          DOES THAT SORT OF ANSWER THE QUESTION? OKAY. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          WE CAN AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          JEREMIAH, YOU'RE UP. 
          CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANDREW HAD A LOT OF, UH, VERY GOOD INFORMATION ON KIND OF SEASONALITY. 
          WE'VE DONE THE SAME THING FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, COUNSELOR DUNN HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER, UM, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF SURVEYS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED BOTH IN MARCH, UM, AND THEN ALSO INTO OUR SUMMER MONTHS. 
          UH, WE'VE SEEN ENOUGH OF, YOU KNOW, VERY BUSY AND NOT SO BUSY PARKING CONDITIONS, UM, TO REASONABLY TAKE OUR SAMPLE AND ALIGN IT TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SOURCES. 
          AND SO WE LOOKED AT A TRAFFIC MODELING, UM, OPEN SOURCE PIECE OF SOFTWARE CALLED REPLICA HQ, UM, THAT WE'VE APPLIED. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS PRIMARILY BUILT ON, UH, CELL PHONE DATA WHILE THEY WERE STILL ALLOWED TO COLLECT IT. 
          UM, AND WE SAW A MORE, UH, LESS KIND OF SEASONAL SEASONAL CHANGE IN, UH, TRIP GENERATION THROUGH UPTOWN AND TILLOCK, EXCUSE ME, NOT GENERATION, BUT VEHICLE, PRIVATE VEHICLE TRIPS. 
          WE DID NOT SEE AS MUCH SEASONALITY, UH, IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AS WE SAW IN THE PARKING. 
          AND SO WE'VE WAITED OUR KIND OF HOTEL OCCUPANCY RATES AS A BETTER MEASURE OF HOW UTILIZED OUR DOWNTOWN PUBLIC PARKING SYSTEM WOULD BE IN THE MONTHS THAT WE HAVE NOT COUNTED YET. 
          AND THIS IS THE SEASONALITY THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH. 
          AND THIS HAS BEEN CALIBRATED AGAINST THE FIVE DATA SETS THAT WE DID HAVE. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE'VE CONCLUDED, UH, WITH A FAIRLY HIGH DEGREE OF CERTAINTY, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME MODEST CHANGES IN PERCENTAGES ON THIS CHART IS THAT, UM, OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR PARKING OCCUPANCY OBSERVED IN MARCH WAS, YOU KNOW, OVER 95 PERC OVER 95%. 
          YEAH, I STATED THAT CORRECTLY. 
          UM, WITH KIND OF AN AVERAGE DAY OCCUPANCY OF, OF, OF 85% THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, THE MONTH. 
          UH, WHAT WE KNOW FROM BEST PRACTICES IN A DOWNTOWN IS THAT WHEN PARKING GETS TO BE OVER A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, PEOPLE HAVE TROUBLE FINDING THOSE PARKING STALLS. 
          AND SO THERE CAN BE EXCESS VEHICULAR CIRCULATION AS THEY LOOK FOR PARKING. 
          UM, IT ADDS ADDITIONAL TRIPS. 
          AND SO A BEST PRACTICE IS TO MAINTAIN WHAT'S CALLED AN EFFECTIVE SUPPLY, UH, CUSHION OR EFFECTIVE SUPPLY SURPLUS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IS THE 85% LINE. 
          TYPICALLY, WE WOULD WANT OUR DESIGN DAY TO UTILIZE AROUND AN 85%, UH, OF THE AVAILABLE PUBLIC PARKING CAPACITY, LEAVING ABOUT 15% OPEN FOR CIRCULATION OF VEHICLES. 
          UM, WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT THERE. 
          WE'VE CALIBRATED, UH, TO AN 85TH PERCENTILE DESIGN DAY USING THE DATA THAT WE HAD AND THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY INFORMATION TO CALIBRATE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL MONTHS. 
          AND WE'RE PROJECTING UNDER CURRENT CONDITIONS THAT A DESIGN DAY IN, UM, SEDONA UPTOWN AND TO LOCKA IS AVERAGING ABOUT 83% OCCUPANCY IN THE PUBLIC PARKING SYSTEM. 
          AND WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THERE'S ABOUT 
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50 OR 60 DAYS PER YEAR WHEN THERE'S MORE PARKING DEMAND THAN IS COMFORTABLY ACCOMMODATED IN THE, UM, ROUGHLY 950 PUBLIC PARKING STALLS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE FOLKS. 
          AND ON THOSE DAYS, UM, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR PARKING LONGER, ARE NOT ABLE TO FIND, UH, THOSE PARKING SPOTS PROBABLY ADDING TO VEHICULAR CIRCULATION. 
          AND SO WE'RE RIGHT THERE AT A THRESHOLD WHERE WE WOULD SAY THE SYSTEM IS AT ITS EFFECTIVE CAPACITY. 
          WHEN OUR DESIGN DAY CONDITION STARTS TO EXCEED AN 85% OCCUPANCY LEVEL, WE WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S AN EFFECTIVE DEFICIT OVERALL. 
          THANK YOU, JEREMIAH, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE ON, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN, YOU HAD A QUESTION AND COUNCILOR DUNN OH, THANK YOU JEREMIAH, THAT THIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT IN THE AREA THAT I WANNA ASK. 
          THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THIS 85%, AND, AND YOU GAVE ME MORE THAN YOU GAVE ME SOME. 
          AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT THAT'S HELPFUL A LITTLE BIT. 
          I'M REMINDED OF THE OLD ADAGE THAT YOU DON'T BUILD THE, THE PARKING LOT AT THE MALL FOR CHRISTMAS DAY OR THE CHURCH PARKING LOT FOR EASTER. 
          AND, AND SO I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING A LITTLE BIT MORE PLEASE ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THIS 85%, THE WISENESS OF THE 85%. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT IN SOME OF THE READING THAT I'VE DONE, I'VE SEEN THIS NUMBER QUITE A BIT, BUT IT REALLY IS SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO ON-STREET PARKING DEMAND, PERHAPS A VARI A VARIABLE PRICING MODEL. 
          AND YOU TRY TO TARGET 85% WHEN IT GOES OVER THAT YOU BOOST PRICE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          BUT I, I DON'T, THAT'S A NARROWER CASE THAN YOU'RE BUILDING FOR 85% FOR ALL OF PARKING IN A DOWNTOWN REGION. 
          SO I, I WOULD LIKE, WITHOUT GETTING, WITHOUT PULLING OUT YOUR PHD AND READING IT, UH, I'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO, I'LL TRY TO TACK TACKLE THIS IN MANAGEABLE CHUNKS AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF STOP ME WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S TOO, TOO, TOO MUCH INTO URBAN PLANNING. 
          UM, SO, SO YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THE CHURCH FOR EASTER SUNDAY IS SOMETHING WE SAY IN PLANNING A LOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT BECOMES, UH, TIME TO BUILD, UH, A PARKING ASSET, UM, AT $35,000 A SPACE. 
          UH, IF YOU'RE BUILDING THAT FOR ONE OR TWO DATES A YEAR, UM, THERE'S CONDITIONS WHEN IT'S DONE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S USUALLY WHEN THERE'S NO OUTLET OR WHEN YOU ARE, UM, BUILDING A STADIUM FOR A MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAM AND YOU CAN MAKE ALL YOUR MONEY BACK ON 12 GAME DAYS. 
          UM, THOSE ARE SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OR YOU CAN FILL THAT SAME ASSET WITH STUDENTS WHEN IT'S NOT IN USE FOR THE EVENT. 
          LET, LET ME JUST INTERRUPT YOU ONE SECOND IN CASE THE RED ROCK NEWS WANTS TO MAKE A CORRECTION. 
          I MEANT TO SAY YOU DON'T BUILD THE PARKING LOT TO SHOP 'EM ALL FOR BLACK FRIDAY, NOT CHRISTMAS DAY. 
          YES. 
          THANKS KYLE. 
          AND SO WE AL WE OFTEN TARGET, YOU KNOW, AN 85TH PERCENTILE DATE. 
          UM, AND TYPICALLY THAT'S A BUSY SHOPPING DAY IN DECEMBER, BUT NOT THE BLACK FRIDAY CONDITION IN SHOPPING. 
          UM, WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT, IN THAT FUDGE FACTOR BETWEEN 85 AND A HUNDRED PERCENT IS THAT YOU DO HAVE MORE CONGESTION. 
          YOU HAVE PEOPLE FILLING EVERY LAST STALL OR YOU MAKE SOME ACCOMMODATIONS. 
          AND SO WE OFTEN DO THIS IN EVENT PLANNING WHERE WE'RE NOT GONNA PLAN FOR THAT MAJOR STREET CLOSURE EVENT. 
          INSTEAD WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          WE'RE GONNA RUN SHUTTLES, WE'RE GONNA VALET PARK, YOU KNOW, THIS LOT OVER HERE. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GRAB PEOPLE AND PUT 'EM IN SOME INTERCEPT LOCATIONS. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, IT'S IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE TRIGGERED, TRIGGERED THE THRESHOLD WE'RE SPENDING PUBLIC MONEY ON THE ASSET HAS A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE LIKE, UH, THE 85TH PERCENTILE. 
          'CAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 365 DAYS, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 50 OR 60 DATES WHEN YOU ACTUALLY NEED IT. 
          AND IF YOU STRATEGICALLY LOCATE AN ASSET, YOU KNOW, THAT ASSET'S PROBABLY GETTING BETTER USE, BUT THAT KIND OF LEAST CONVENIENCE SPACE SOMEWHERE ELSE MAYBE ISN'T FULL ALL THE TIME EXCEPT FOR THOSE 50 OR 60 DATES A YEAR. 
          GOOD ENOUGH. 
          WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT DESIGN DAY IF YOU'D YOU'D LIKE . 
          I, I THINK SO. 
          I'VE SEEN SOME OF MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS NODDING THEIR HEADS WHEN I ASK THAT QUESTION, SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS SOME MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          KATHY, YOU'RE UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION THAT WAS ON MY MIND AND YOU ASKED IT IN A DEEPER AND MORE ARTICULATE WAY THAN I WOULD'VE, BUT I WANNA ASK IT IN MY VERY SIMPLE WAY ANYWAY, JUST, JUST TO BE COMPLETELY CLEAR. 
          UM, SO AT 85% EFFECTIVE PARKING UTILIZATION OTHER THAN THOSE 50 TO 60 DAYS, THAT MEANS WE HAVE A 15% SURPLUS GENERALLY UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS. 
          IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GRAPH FAIRLY WELL, YOU KNOW MM-HMM. 
           JANUARY, JULY AND AUGUST AND 
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DECEMBER ARE NOT, ARE NOT SHOWING AS HIGH. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL A BUNCH OF CARS WHEN YOU'RE SEEING 70% UTILIZED, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S, THERE'S LESS OF CONCERN. 
          OKAY. 
          IN THOSE YELLOW, THOSE ARE OUR SHOULDER SEASONS RIGHT NOW. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO GET OUT THERE IN, IN CLEAR LANGUAGE, UM, AND YOUR ANSWER TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN'S QUESTION RAISED ANOTHER POINT FOR ME, WHICH IS THAT YES, YOU DON'T BUILD, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE FOR THE THOUSAND YEAR FLOOD, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T, RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT COULD BE USED IN THE PEAK PARKING AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT PARKING NEED, SUCH AS SHUTTLES OR, YOU KNOW, BRINGING PEOPLE IN FROM PARKING THAT EXISTS OUTSIDE. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN OUR CHALLENGE IS WE DON'T HAVE, HAVE NOT HAD, AT LEAST UNTIL RECENTLY WHEN WE STARTED OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM, WE HAVEN'T HAD WAYS OF DOING THAT OR UTILIZING THAT. 
          SO HOW, HOW DID THOSE NOW BEGINNINGS OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES FACTOR INTO, OR IS THAT COMING LATER INTO SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS A MODEL BASED ON KIND OF A NO CHANGE TO OUR OPERATIONAL MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          PERSPECTIVE. 
          NOW, I WILL GET INTO FUTURE GROWTH AND WE HAVE ASSUMED SOME CHANGE WHEN WE LOOK IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF, I WON'T SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, 2023 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME RESIDUAL PANDEMIC IMPACTS. 
          BUT THIS IS, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY, ESSENTIALLY NOW THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MEASURABLE WITH THE OCCUPANCIES THAT WE'VE COLLECTED OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS IN THE HOTEL DATA THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK TO NEAR KIND OF POST PANDEMIC SLUMP AND ACTUALLY THAT THE HOTELS RECOVER, HAVE RECOVERED PRETTY, PRETTY WELL. 
          SO, UM, YES. 
          SO THIS DOES NOT MODEL A LOT OF KIND OF CHANGE IN MODE BEHAVIOR. 
          UM, I WILL SAY, I THINK, I THINK IT'S CHALLENGING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, AN ALTERNATIVES IN SOME CONTEXTS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A, COMING BACK TO OUR UNIVERSITY EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY TO INCREASE THE PRICE ON, YOU KNOW, LOT A IN THE CENTER OF CAMPUS BECAUSE THERE'S GENERALLY SOME REMOTE, UM, PARKING AVAILABLE THAT PEOPLE WILL SHIFT THEIR BEHAVIOR TO. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UH, SUPER VIABLE PLACES TO PUT CARS ESSENTIALLY. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE SUPER, KIND OF RELIABLE TRANSIT, ALTHOUGH IT'S COMING, UM, TO GET TO OUR HOTELS IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          AND THEN OUR, AGAIN, IT'S COMING, YOU KNOW, OUR CIRCULATORS TO GET PEOPLE FROM THEIR HOTELS WHERE THEY CAN LEAVE THEIR CAR BEHIND AND STILL IN A EFFECTIVE WAY, GET THEM TO TRAIL HEADS AND TO, UM, SHOPPING AND DINING. 
          AND SO THOSE, THERE'S KIND OF A THREE LEGGED, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF, OF VIABLE ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD REALLY, UM, NEED TO HAPPEN TO BE REALLY EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING AN AUTO TRIP THAT ENDS IN A PARKED, PARKED CAR. 
          AND THESE NUMBERS OF DEFICIT TO FULL TO EXCESS, YOU COMPARED THEM TO THE LAST STUDY THAT WE WERE USING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS PROJECTING A GREATER DEFICIT THAN I'M SEEING IN THIS CURRENT, OR THAT I'VE GLEANED FROM WHAT I'VE READ THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS THE TEASER. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          YEAH, I WANTED TO GO TO THE APPENDIX WHERE YOU HAVE A STUDY AREA PARKING UTILIZATION SLIDE THAT SAYS ALL PARKING AND THEN AN UPTOWN PARKING UTILIZATION OF PUBLIC ONLY. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ALL PARKING, UH, STUDY AREA, YOU NEVER REACH 85%. 
          SO IS ONE OF YOUR STRATEGIES YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, INCREASING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH PRIVATE PARKING AS A WAY TO, TO MEET THE DEMAND THAT THE PUBLIC PARKING ONLY, UH, CREATES? I'LL FLIP THERE SO FOLKS, BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF CAPACITY OR PLENTY OF PARKING CAPACITY IN THE ALL PARKING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THIS SLIDE VERSUS THIS SLIDE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY MEANINGFUL, UM, COMPARISON AND AN IMPORTANT QUESTION YOU'RE ANSWERING. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THIS IS TYPICAL OF EVERY DOWNTOWN THAT WE, WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PARKING, WHEN WE SAY ALL PARKING, WE MEAN EVERY SINGLE SPOT IN THE DOWNTOWN. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPANCY OF THOSE SPOTS ARE, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING SPOTS THAT ARE 
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FOR THE RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T OPEN UNTIL SIX O'CLOCK AND THEIR PARKING LOT IS EMPTY, EMPTY. 
          AND THEY'VE GOT A CHAIN ACROSS IT. 
          IT'S INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT HAVE SIGNS UP THAT SAY, DON'T PARK HERE. 
          IT INCLUDES THE HOTELS, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON HAVE SOME SURPLUS SPACES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE BEST WESTERN, THE LOWER TWO LOTS ARE, ARE EMPTY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. 
          SO THERE ARE, I THINK, WAYS THAT YOU COULD, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, APPROACH BUSINESS OWNERS AND SAY, CAN WE PUT SOME EMPLOYEES HERE? CAN THE CITY MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LOT? WHAT CAN WE DO? I THINK THAT THAT'S A VIABLE SOLUTION. 
          I, AND I, I WOULD SAY CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HANDFULS OF SPOTS THAT MIGHT MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK BETTER. 
          AND SO IT'S A GREAT, UH, A GREAT OBSERVATION. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          I, BECAUSE SEVERAL OF THE LOTS THAT WE'RE USING THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC PARKING, IT'S 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LEASE WITH A PRIVATE PROVIDER. 
          SO YES. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME WE, THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL TO DO MORE OF THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          MORE OF THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          JEREMIAH, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT ARE AS WELL. 
          ONE OF THE, THE KEY THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS CONSOLIDATION. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE TRIPS THROUGHOUT UPTOWN. 
          YES. 
          AND, UH, CONNECTION TO TRANSIT. 
          SO THE MORE WE SPREAD OUT PARKING, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT IS TO CONNECT TO THINGS LIKE TRANSIT AND REDUCE THOSE UNNECESSARY TRIPS BY HAVING MULTIPLE AREAS OF PARKING SPREAD OUT ALL OVER UPTOWN. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING, WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK WHILE THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES AS WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES, UM, ONE OF THE, JUST BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED IN 2012 IN THE INITIAL EFFORT TO GET SOME OF THE CURRENT PUBLIC PRIVATE LEASES WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC PARKING, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID, UM, A GOOD JOB OF GETTING THAT IN LOCATIONS THAT WERE HAD REASONABLE ACCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY DON'T ALL HAVE ACCESS. 
          SURE. 
          IN FACT, SOME OF THEM HAVE PRETTY POOR ACCESS, NO PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, CERTAINLY NOT. 
          UM, GOOD. 
          A D A, UH, YOU KNOW, INGRESS, EGRESS, AND THEN THE WAY FINDING, BUT THE HOTELS, WHICH IS WHERE I THINK THE LION'S SHARE OF THE SURPLUS PARKING DURING THE DAY IS ARE ON THAT, UM, EASTERN SIDE, SLOPED D VERY DIFFICULT TO GET TO KIND OF AREA. 
          SO EVEN IF THE HOTELIERS WERE OPEN TO, TO AN ARRANGEMENT LIKE THAT, I THINK THE, THE ACCESS ISSUES ARE GONNA BE A CHALLENGE WITH CREATING PUBLIC PARKING OUT OF MANY OF THOSE. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME, UM, OPTIONS. 
          WELL, JUST LOOKING AT A DEFICIT THAT OCCURS AT, AT A LIMITED NUMBER OF DAYS PER YEAR, BLACK FRIDAY AND THE, THE PRO, THERE'S PROS AND CONS OF EVERYTHING. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, IT IT INCLUDED IN THERE ARE ALL THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE SO WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANNA SPEND $16 MILLION FOR 50 DAYS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSOLIDATION ALSO, BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, TO LOOK AT, AT EVERYTHING AND WEIGH OUR OPTIONS BECAUSE MAYBE WE'LL GET TO THIS, UH, SOMEWHERE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          WE DO HAVE TRANSIT COMING AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S CARVED BEFORE A HORSE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRANSIT IMPACT IN YOUR NUMBERS. 
          'CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY, BUT IT IS GONNA EXIST. 
          AND SO HOW DOES THAT ALL FIT TOGETHER AND, AND IS THIS A TEMPORARY SITUATION FOR OUR PARKING NEEDS IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS IN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW PRETTY MUCH IS WHERE, UNLESS THERE'S DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE OTHER LOTS, IT'S IN FIVE YEARS. 
          SO WHERE ARE WE GONNA BE IN TRANSIT IN FIVE YEARS AND HOW DOES THAT FACTOR IN? SO I JUST, IT'S A BIG EXPENSE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME AND THERE'S OTHER STRATEGIES. 
          SO I WANT ALL THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE SO WE CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT IS SAYING THAT WE ARE GONNA CONSIDER THESE THINGS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE CONCLUSIONS THAT WE'RE DRAWING AND PRESENTING AT THIS POINT, BUT WE AGREE TO CONSIDER THESE THINGS. 
          THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE HELPFUL IN, IN BRINGING IN THAT SORT OF 
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SCENARIO. 
          AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          SO, ONE QUICK COMMENT ON THIS  QUICK COMMENT 'CAUSE BRIAN'S NEXT. 
          OH, BRIAN, WELL, BRIAN GOES FIRST, LAST. 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE MY HAND UP. 
          I THOUGHT YOU SAID BEFORE YOU OKAY. 
          I SAW YOUR, I SAW YOUR HAND UP. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          I'M JUST GOING ALONG WITH I GET THE QUEUE. 
          UH, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, THE VICE MAYOR, UH, ALREADY HAS HIT ON A COUPLE OF MY QUESTIONS AND BROUGHT UP POINTS THAT WERE QUITE SALIENT. 
          SO THANK YOU PETE. 
          THEN, UH, THEN I'D LIKE TO GO AS WELL. 
          SURE. 
          I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO ADD IN HERE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED AT THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS ABOUT THE ELIMINATION OF MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          AND IT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS IS THESE TWO CHARTS THAT WE SEE THAT KIND OF THE AVAILABLE PUBLIC PARKING AND THEN THE TOTAL PARKING THAT'S POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE, INCLUDING EVERYTHING. 
          AND SO, ALTHOUGH, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, ALTHOUGH WE'VE APPROACHED THIS IN THE PAST, I THINK CULTURE IS CHANGING SOMEHOW, SOMEWHERE. 
          AND, AND WE WANNA ALSO BE THOUGHTFUL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPENING. 
          I'LL ALSO, I WILL PUT IT OUT THERE HOWEVER, THAT I AM SKEPTICAL ABOUT SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF, OF, UH, ELIMINATING PARKING MINIMUMS. BUT IT'S A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION. 
          IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE. 
          I'D ACTUALLY BE INTERESTED TO KNOW FROM YOUR BACKGROUND AND THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE WORKED ON AND OTHER PLACES THAT ARE ALSO THINKING ABOUT THIS AND HOW IS THAT CHANGING YOUR APPROACH. 
          BUT PERHAPS THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU WANNA STICK AROUND, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK A LOT ABOUT MINIMUM. 
          THAT'S LIMITATION. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          LISTEN, DID YOU WANT SAY ANYTHING? OTHERWISE, I'M READY TO PRESENT. 
          I JUST HAVE A REALLY QUICK QUESTION BASED ON WHAT THE VICE MAYOR HAS SAID, BASED ON WHAT MR. DICKEY HAS SAID, ARE YOU REALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL OF THAT TOGETHER IN FOUR WEEKS? ? YES. 
          AGAIN, YOU'VE ASKED ME THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, I THINK YES, I'M SKEPTICAL. 
          I THINK HAVING A DEADLINE IS, IS A GREAT, GREAT MOTIVATOR. 
          SO , GOOD ANSWER THAT. 
          SO JEREMIAH, I, I, I JUST WANNA GET SOME CLARITY HERE. 
          UH, YOUR NUMBER OF 85% REPRESENTS A CURRENT PARKING THAT YOU HAVE THAT'S CURRENTLY EVERY SINGLE PARKING SPA SPOT. 
          THAT'S ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU SAID PRIOR. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? THIS IS OUR PUBLIC PARKING SYSTEM. 
          PUBLIC PARKING, OKAY. 
          IS THAT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, UH, THE LOSS OF CURRENT INVENTORY? IT IS NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          I MEAN, THERE ARE THREE STAN LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE A POSSIBILITY OF LOSING. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH WOULD BE, UH, THE MUNICIPAL PARKING LOT WOULD BE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALL A PART OF ON STREET PARKING NORTHBOUND ON 89 A THAT ULTIMATELY, IS THAT STILL IN THE QUEUE FOR DISCUSSION, ANDY? SO I THINK THAT'S ON A SLIDE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET TO. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, IT IS. 
          LET ME, UH, LET ME SPEED THROUGH THESE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE'S ONE OTHER LOCATION, THE 4 0 1 JORDAN THAT'S CURRENTLY USED, THAT THERE'S ALSO PERSPECTIVE USE FOR THAT LOT. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SPOTS THAT IN TOTALITY THAT INCLUDES. 
          IT'S IN THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES THOSE BUS, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          I'D SAY I MISSED THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THERE'S LIKE THE SLIDES ON. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE'RE MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH THE TIME. 
          SO THEN JEREMIAH, I'LL LET YOU CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS COMES BACK TO THE EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT HOW, HOW WELL OUR DATA ALIGNED WITH THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY. 
          THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY HAD SOME BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE, UM, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE DID NOT PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THAT BEFORE WE PUT TOGETHER OUR MODEL. 
          WE WANTED TO SEE, UM, THROUGH SOME SOURCES WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME BACKGROUND GROWTH. 
          AND SO THIS IS A, UM, COMPLICATED SLIDE, UM, BUT REFLECTS KIND OF THE RESEARCH THAT, UM, MY GROUP DID INTO BACKGROUND GROWTH. 
          AND THE SOURCES THAT WE FOUND THAT WE THOUGHT WERE WELL DONE AND, AND FAIRLY CREDIBLE, UH, WERE THIS REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CENTER, UM, OUT OF YAVAPAI COLLEGE HAD A RECENT REPORT ON, UH, REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEY HAD A, UM, YOU KNOW, A GROWTH MODEL SHOWING ABOUT A 22% INCREASE IN COMMERCIAL JOBS OVER A 10 YEAR PROJECTION PERIOD, UM, FOR THE ZIP CODE. 
          UM, WE ALSO, UM, HAVE SOME MORE AGGRESSIVE TENURE YEAR GROWTH STATISTICS FROM AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, UM, PUT OUT, UM, THROUGH THE US CENSUS BUREAU. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THEY HAD A PROJECTION OF, UH, NEARLY, UM, YOU KNOW, 44%, UH, 10 10 YEAR PROJECTED GROWTH RATE FOR CITY OF SEDONA. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD OUR REPLICA HQ, UH, 
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TRIP GENERATION MODEL, WHICH ACTUALLY INTERESTINGLY TRACKED, UH, FAIRLY CLOSELY TO THE US CENSUS BUREAU. 
          UM, THE LAST THING THAT WE SPENT SOME TIME TALKING TO OUR TASK FORCE ABOUT WAS, UM, THE INVESTMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE IN T D M AND TRANSIT. 
          AND I SHOWED THEM SOME MODELS, UM, THAT WE USE IN THE T D M SPACE. 
          UM, A LOT OF WHICH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS IN CALIFORNIA WITH, UM, MEASURABLE RESULTS IN SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE. 
          'CAUSE THEY'VE HAD, UH, T D M TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS AT A STATE LEVEL TO SHOW PERFORMANCE, UM, LONGER THAN ANY OTHER STATE HAS. 
          AND SO, UH, WE, WE KNOW THAT TRANSIT COMBINED WITH SOME KIND OF PRICING CONTROLS, UM, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, BY ITSELF, YOU KNOW, A SEVEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 10% REDUCTION IN PARKING OCCUPANCY STATISTICS. 
          AND SO WE'VE KIND OF TA TAKEN A HYBRID GROWTH MODEL AND WE'VE APPLIED KIND OF A BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE REPRESENTED BY THIS DOTTED LINE. 
          UM, BASED ON THE SOURCES THAT WE HAVE SEEN. 
          UM, WE THINK IT'S CREDIBLE THAT SEDONA WILL CONTINUE TO GROW IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC, UM, ACTIVITY, COMMERCIAL JOBS, ADDITIONAL HOTEL ROOMS, POTENTIAL NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND THE INTEREST IS CERTAINLY THERE AS HOUSING, UM, YOU KNOW, GETS ADDED FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE TO THE AREA. 
          AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO ASSUME A NO GROWTH MODEL. 
          AND IN FACT WE FEEL THAT, UM, AN AVERAGE ANNUAL GROWTH RATE OF JUST UNDER 3%, UM, IS LIKELY EVEN WITH THE TRANSIT ADJUSTMENTS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE AND HAVE FACTORED INTO SOME OF OUR PARKING DEMAND PROJECTIONS IS A, A BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE, UM, THAT OCCURS IN PARKING DEMAND FOR, TO LOCKA AND UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS BASED ON THE AFORE MENTIONED. 
          UM, UM, FACTORS, JEREMIAH ON THAT BREATH? YES. 
          COUNCIL FO HAS A MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, JEREMIAH. 
          THAT, UH, SLIDE I, I APPRECIATE THE APPROACH YOU TOOK TO THAT OF TRYING TO SHOW, UH, VARIOUS SOURCES OF, UH, PROJECTION TO ARRIVE AT A BLENDED NUMBER. 
          UM, MY IMMEDIATE REACTION IS LIKE, JUST NO WAY TO, UH, SOME OF THOSE GROWTH PROJECTIONS, THE YAVAPI COLLEGE NUMBERS AND THE UH, A C S U S CENSUS LIKE THAT, THOSE JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          UM, WE HAVE VIRTUALLY NO OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMERCIAL JOB GROWTH WITHOUT HOUSING. 
          AND THE HOUSING THAT WE NEED IS TO HOUSE THE WORKERS THAT ALREADY ARE LIVING 30 MILES FROM HERE OR THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE ALTOGETHER. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED TO PUT A GROWTH FACTOR IN HERE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT AND AND NONE OF US CAN KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS. 
          I GET THAT. 
          AND I DON'T WANNA BE ARGUMENTATIVE 'CAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, NEITHER OF US ARE GONNA CONVINCE EACH OTHER OF, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME DIFFERENT, UH, ASSUMPTION. 
          BUT MY IMMEDIATE REACTION IS, IS NO WAY, THERE IS NO WAY WE WILL HAVE THAT KIND OF GROWTH OVER 10 YEARS KNOWING HOW CHALLENGED WE ARE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF HOUSING AND, UH, OTHER TYPES OF, UH, GROWTH FOR, UH, OUR ECONOMY BEYOND, UM, UH, OUR, OUR TOURIST BASE ECONOMY. 
          AND, AND THIS COUNCIL, AND I SUSPECT FUTURE COUNCILS WILL NOT BE INCLINED TOWARDS, UH, GRANTING, UM, REZONING FOR MORE HOTEL PROJECTS. 
          SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT IS, IS LIMITED, I THINK, UH, TO WHATEVER MAY HAVE ENTITLEMENT CURRENTLY. 
          SO AGAIN, NOT WANTING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE FOR SPORT HERE, JUST SAYING, I THINK THIS IS VERY, UH, IT, IT BECOMES VERY CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE ESTIMATING A HIGHER NUMBER TO BE PREPARED FOR, BUT I JUST HAVE A VERY HARD TIME SEEING THAT HAPPEN. 
          CAN I ASK BRIAN A QUESTION, PLEASE? YEP. 
          PIZZA? YES. 
          ARE YOU ALSO YEAH, HE DID BECAUSE I WAS CUTTING IN ON HIM. 
          UM, ARE YOU ALSO CONSIDERING THE FACT OF OUR PARCEL BUILD OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, RATE THAT WE'RE CLOSE TO LAND DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD HOUSING, RIGHT? SO THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THAT COMES WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO SUPPLY THAT HOUSING WITH TRANSIT OPTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, DIS INCENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, PUTTING MORE CARS ON THE ROAD. 
          PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS, THIS APOLOGIZING EVENTS, THIS SLIDE DOES CONTAIN THE ONLY, THE LAST TWO OF THE TECHNICAL KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAD FOR YOU. 
          BUT, AND, AND ONE WE'VE KIND OF COVERED, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT SLICE ON THAT THOUGH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHOSE PROJECTION YOU SHOULD 
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BELIEVE OR WHAT NUMBER, I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR YOU FOR GROWTH, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WANNA PUT ONE IN HERE. 
          UM, BUT THE FLAVOR THAT I'LL ADD IS THAT IT, DO ALL OF OUR GROWTH NUMBERS, DO THEY ALL GO UPTOWN , AND I SUSS, I HAVE THIS FEELING THAT THEY'RE KIND NOT, THAT THERE'S A GOOD PORTION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW, ESPECIALLY IN RECENT YEARS COMING TO TOWN, THAT ARE STAYING IN SHORT TERM RENTALS, WEST SEDONA AND DOING MORE OF THE HIKING THING AND STAYING AWAY FROM UPTOWN. 
          AND SO TO THROW THAT WHOLE GROWTH DEMAND INTO THE UPTOWN AREA MAY OR MAY NOT BE RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I'LL THROW TO THE COMMITTEE TO THINK ABOUT IT  OVER OVER TIME. 
          THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE 7% NUMBER FROM T D M PROGRAMS NATIONWIDE, THAT'S PROBABLY AS GOOD A NUMBER TO COME UP WITH, BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, I, I GET THE SENSE THAT IT'S NATIONWIDE, LOTS OF THE DATA IS COMING FROM PLACES THAT HAVE KIND OF A HOLISTIC OR A COMPLETE TRANSIT SYSTEM AS IT IS. 
          AND NOW WE'RE DOING T D M TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE EXCESSES THAT ARE HAPPENING. 
          AND IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE GOING FROM ZERO TO SOMETHING AND PERHAPS WE HAVE MORE UPSIDE POTENTIAL FOR IMPACTING WITH USING TRANSIT THAN THE 7%. 
          SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF ANOTHER, AND, AND THAT ONE I'D BE INTERESTED IN PERHAPS YOUR RESPONSE OF PERHAPS THAT DATABASE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS MORE ROBUST THAN I THINK IT IS OR NOT AS SPECIALIZED AS I, OR I'LL STOP TALKING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT AS A QUESTION THAT'S, WE NEED AN ANSWER, SO WE NEED AN ANSWER. 
          AND THEN THE VICE MAYOR HAS ANOTHER, UH, QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THESE ARE ALL, THESE ARE ALL VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AND, AND I DON'T SIT UP HERE PRETENDING TO BE, YOU KNOW, AN ECONOMIST. 
          UH, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE DO THESE, WE GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE SAY, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR KNOWN PROJECTS OVER THREE YEARS, OVER FIVE YEARS? WHAT BACKGROUND GROWTH, UM, PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU LIKE US TO, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD INTO OUR MODEL? AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE OPEN TO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, ON HOW WE BUILD THIS OUT. 
          UM, I THINK THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS GROUP IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME GROWTH? UM, A FACTOR THAT WE ALSO CONSIDERED BUT DIDN'T SHOW ON THIS TABLE IS KIND OF THE, THE AMOUNT OF DAY TRIPS UP FROM GROWING PHOENIX, UH, METRO AREA AND STATEWIDE GROWTH PROJECTIONS ALSO. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU ALL HAVE VERY GOOD POINTS ABOUT PERHAPS BEING CONSTRAINED ON YOUR, YOUR OWN PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT OR BUILD OUT DENSITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT STOP  FOLKS FROM COMING UP WITH THEIR IN THEIR CAR? SO, UM, WE HAVE A FACTOR, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THE BEST, YOU KNOW, THE MOST SCIENTIFIC, UH, , UM, YOU KNOW, WAY THAT, THAT I KNEW HOW TO APPROACH IT. 
          AND UM, BUT AGAIN, CAN YOU MAKE ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE 7% T D M SORT OF FACTOR? UM, Y YEAH. 
          WELL, YEAH, THOSE MODELS ARE, ARE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MORE ROBUST THAN WE DO HAVE. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO, UH, MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT TENDS TO, UM, WORK BEST IF IT'S KIND OF A PACKAGE OF SOLUTIONS. 
          AND SO YOU TAKE, UH, YOU TAKE A VIABLE TRANSIT, HIGH QUALITY TRANSIT AND YOU DROP IT INTO A SUBURBAN OFFICE PARK AND YOU ONLY IMPACT TWO OR 3% OF THE TRIPS. 
          BUT IF YOU THEN TURN AROUND AND CHARGE OFFICE EMPLOYEES $150 TO PARK THERE, THEN YOU IMPACT 12 OR 15% OF THE TRIPS. 
          AND SO THERE ARE KIND OF DOUBLING DOWN, UH, OR MULTIPLYING, UM, POLICY DECISIONS THAT WE COULD MOVE THE NEEDLE MORE THAN 7%. 
          SO I WOULD SAY, UH, I THINK IT'S AS GOOD A NUMBER AS ANY FOR THE TIME BEING. 
          BUT IF YOU WANNA MAKE A CASE THAT YOU'RE, UM, GONNA CHANGE SINGLE OP VEHICLE, UH, MOVEMENTS THROUGH SEDONA, A LOT MORE AGRE AGGRESSIVELY, UM, AND THE COMMUNITY WILL IS THERE TO DO THAT, UM, I'M WILLING TO HEAR THOSE. 
          I WAS LOOKING FOR ROBERT SITTING IN THE BACK THERE. 
          HE HOPING THAT HE'S SQUIRMING IN THE SEAT WITH THAT 7%. 
          I'LL BET HE'S, HE'S HOPING HE CAN HAVE A MUCH BIGGER IMPACT THAN 7%. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE VICE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION, BUT BEFORE SHE GOES, UH, WE'RE MORE THAN HALFWAY TO THE TIME. 
          IF, IF WE STAY TILL SIX, WE STILL HAVE CARDS ON THIS TOPIC THAT I WANT TO GET TO MM-HMM. 
           AND WE HAVE A LOT MORE IN THE PRESENTATION AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO REALLY TO SCRATCHING THE SURFACE. 
          SO IF WE CAN JUST, ALL OF US JUST TRY TO MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR, GO 
          [02:25:01]
AHEAD. 
          SO HEARING THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES, I, I CONCUR WITH THEM THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT HOW TO, AND, AND ONLY IF IT'S REALISTIC, OBVIOUSLY THE STRATEGIES TO INCREASE TRANSIT SO THAT THIS NUMBER COMES DOWN. 
          I LIKE THAT IDEA THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, MAKE IT REALLY EXPENSIVE TO PARK AND OTHER PLACES AND MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR TRANSIT. 
          BUT, UH, BUT MY QUESTION IS, AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE GROWTH, UM, THE JOB GROWTH JUST SEEMS REALLY HIGH TO ME TOO. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE THE BUSINESSES, I, I, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT WITH OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, SO I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT THE WALTER P. MOORE HAD A 3% PARKING GROWTH. 
          I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING HOW THAT ACTUALLY TURNED OUT. 
          'CAUSE THEY WERE ASSUMING THAT STARTING, I DON'T KNOW, 2018 PERHAPS. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE TODAY, YOU KNOW, WHERE, HOW DID THAT FACTOR? WAS THAT VALID OR, OR OR NOT? AND THEN WHERE DO WE GET THE 2.4% PARKING GROWTH NUMBER FROM? YEAH. 
          THE TWO, THE 2.4% IS, IS JUST KIND OF THE MONTE CARLO OF, OF BLENDING THE DIFFERENT FACTORS I HAD ON THE TABLE. 
          SO THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF NEGATIVE SEVEN. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, THE POSITIVE GROWTH, UM, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION ABOUT WALTER P. MOORE AND I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO YOU ON THAT ANSWER. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THERE WAS, IF I'M DOING MY MATH CORRECTLY, THERE WAS KIND OF A PANDEMIC IN THERE, UM, BETWEEN WHAT THEY STARTED AND WHERE WE END UP TODAY. 
          BUT AS I SAID, THE, THE HOTEL OCCUPANCIES ARE REALLY INTERESTING TO LOOK AT. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS VERY CONCENTRATED FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          AND THEN, AND I DID LOOK AT THAT SLIDE WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER. 
          AND IT, IT WAS JUST TRADITIONAL LODGING. 
          IT DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT STR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO PEOPLE HAVE, UM, KIND OF IDENTIFIED SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY COULD GET OUT AS HIKE, HIKE AND BIKE AND THINGS OUTDOOR AS SAFER THAN GOING TO DISNEY WORLD. 
          RIGHT. 
          COMING ON A PANDEMIC, WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING. 
          BUT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT, UH, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STR IN UPTOWN, BUT THEY'RE SPREAD OUT IN, AND WE COULD LOOK AT, I, I, I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IN THE TRADITIONAL LODGING, MOST PEOPLE GO TO UPTOWN. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TRUE WITH ST. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL OVER THE CITY AND IT MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME DRAW. 
          AND AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU'RE INCLUDING THE DEMAND FOR TO LOCKA PARKING INTO THIS STUDY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? Y YES. 
          AND A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S UM, THERE'S AN UN UM, KIND OF AN UNPAVED, UM, VISITOR LOT KIND OF ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SHOPS THERE THAT'S INCLUDED. 
          THERE'S, UH, AN UNPAVED EMPLOYEE LOT ACROSS THE CREEK FROM THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S A, A RATHER LARGE KIND OF HOTEL LOT. 
          UM, THAT'S, UM, ON THE OTHER KIND OF THE SOUTHEAST OF THERE, THOSE ARE THE BIG PARKING. 
          AND THEN THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, OF THE HIGHWAY, THERE'S UM, QUITE A FEW SMALLER LOTS AS YOU GET THROUGH KIND OF THE JEWELRY STORES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THOSE, THOSE ARE INCLUDED ON THE PRIVATE SIDE. 
          SO IT'S NOT A HUGE, UH, SUPPLY, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE PUBLIC PARKING NUMBER. 
          BUT WE DID COUNT ALL THAT. 
          'CAUSE IT IS A VERY BUSY WITH, UM, VISITORS, UM, DURING THE PEAK, PEAK TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THERE IS A HUGE DEMAND THERE. 
          BUT THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THE UNPAVED LOTS AS, AS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT SIGNED OR RESTRICTED. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT'S CAPTURING THE PUBLIC IS USING THOSE, THOSE LOTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, SCOTT. 
          OKAY, JESSICA, GO FOR IT. 
          I, I'M UNCLEAR WHETHER THIS CHART DOES OR DOES NOT INCLUDE THE GROWTH IN, IN THE, UH, IN THE VALLEY OF ITS MASSIVE GROWTH PROJECTED AND MASSIVE JOB INCREASES. 
          DOES THIS CHART INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF A FUTURE PARKING NEED OR NOT? IT DOES NOT. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THE CENSUS. 
          I THINK IT HAS TO, I ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT HAS TO INCLUDE THAT BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALL GOING TO COME UP HERE. 
          [02:30:01]
OKAY. 
          I I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAY AT LEAST TO SOME EXTENT ACCOUNT FOR THAT IS LIKE THE R E D C NUMBERS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT JOB GROWTH BEING LIMITED BY SEDONA BUILD OUT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN SEDONA FOR ONE THING. 
          BUT WE CAN EITHER HAVE THE EXISTING BUILD OUT OF BUSINESS AND BE SLOW OR WE CAN HAVE THE EXISTING BUILD OUT OF BUSINESS AND THEY CAN BE VERY, VERY BUSY. 
          WE'VE SEEN THAT, RIGHT? WE, WE THAT THERE'S A BIG SWING. 
          SO IF THE VALLEY GROWS AND MORE PEOPLE ARE FROM THE PHOENIX METRO AREA ARE COMING UP, THAT WOULD CORRELATE WITH ADDITIONAL JOB GROWTH. 
          NOW WHETHER THOSE FOLKS CAN FIND SUFFICIENT HOUSING OR WHETHER BUSINESSES ARE STRUGGLING TO KEEP EMPLOYEES, UM, BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS. 
          BUT I, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THAT'S WHERE THAT'S CAPTURED TO SOME EXTENT. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN I ALSO JUMP IN THERE ALONG THOSE LINES? ONE THING THAT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTED FOR IS THE I 17 WIDENING. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF A, A VALVE ON OUR, ONE OF OUR MAIN ARTERIES COMING INTO NORTHERN ARIZONA RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT'S GETTING READY TO OPEN, OPEN UP. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A REALLY HARD THING TO CAPTURE IN THESE SORT OF PROJECTIONS. 
          BUT TO TRY TO REALLY TIGHTEN DOWN ANY SORT OF GROWTH AT ALL, I THINK WOULD NOT BE A SMART THING TO DO. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TOO FAR WITH THAT. 
          WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? ANDY? SO I 17, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU TRY TO GO FROM THE PHOENIX METRO AREA, LIKE, LIKE WHAT KAREN WAS TALKING ABOUT TO NORTHERN ARIZONA ON A FRIDAY, YOU WILL BE SITTING IN TRAFFIC FOR A GOOD PART OF YOUR, OF YOUR DRIVE. 
          ONCE THEY WIDEN THIS OUT, PEOPLE BEFORE THAT STARTED THEIR WAY TO NORTHERN ARIZONA AND SAID, FORGET IT, I'M NOT SITTING FOR AN HOUR IN TRAFFIC. 
          WILL NOW, NOW HAVE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK INDUCED DEMAND DOES APPLY. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING WHERE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT THAT IS ONE AREA THAT I, I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO PROJECT WHAT THAT IMPACT IS GONNA BE, BUT THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT. 
          OKAY. 
          I I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS AN EASIER COMMUTE UP HERE OR WHETHER YOU THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE MORE, UH, THE I 17 CORRIDOR WOULD IS LIKE NEW RIVER AND THE GROWTH OF HOUSING NORTH OF PHOENIX. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WAS GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT. 
          IT VERY WELL COULD. 
          YEAH. 
          SHOULD WE MOVE OFF GROWTH AND PUT A PIN IN THAT? THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU JEREMIAH. 
          SO THE KIND OF THE LAST FACTOR THAT WE CONSIDERED WAS, UM, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS THAT MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          THINGS LIKE THE JORDAN ROAD A LOT, UM, PROPOSAL WITH SOME HOUSING. 
          WE ALSO THREW IN, UM, SOME EXAMPLES, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, THE MATTERHORN LOT, WHICH THERE'S NO, WE HADN'T DISCUSSED A PARTICULAR PROPOSAL, BUT BASED ON WHERE IT'S TUCKED IN TO UPTOWN, YOU KNOW, SOME CONSOLIDATION OF THE SMALLER, UM, IN IRREGULARLY SHAPED PUBLIC LOTS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT, MIGHT MAKE SENSE. 
          AND SO WE, WE KIND OF USE LOT FOUR AS A STAND IN FOR KIND OF SOME PUBLIC PARKING AND SMALL SUPPLY, YOU KNOW, MIGHT GET CONSOLIDATED OR DEVELOPED. 
          UM, AND THEN, OH, I DIDN'T HAVE A PICTURE FOR THIS, BUT ANOTHER FACTOR THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WOULD BE CHANGING ON STREET POLICY, UM, ALONG SOME OF THE MORE RESIDENTIAL STREETS TO EITHER REDESIGN, UM, TO ELIMINATE STREET PARKING ON ONE SIDE AND MAKE IT, UH, A BETTER ROUTE FOR INGRESS EGRESS OR ELIMINATE PARKING AND ADD A BIKE LANE OR IMPLEMENT AN R P P A RESIDENTIAL PERMIT ZONE WHERE WE'RE LIMITING VISITOR COMMERCIAL PARKING. 
          AND SO THAT WAS ANOTHER SCENARIO WE HAD CONSIDERED. 
          AND SO FOR EACH OF THESE FACTORS, WE HAD KIND OF SCALED UP THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, UH, THAT WE WOULD TAKE OFFLINE, UH, FOR OUR FIVE YEAR 2028 PROJECTION AND OUR 10 YEAR 2033 PROJECTION. 
          SO SCENARIO A, YOU CAN SEE APPLYING OUR 2.4%, UH, GROWTH RATE, UH, TO THE EXISTING EFFECTIVE DEFICIT, WHICH IS ONLY, UH, SMALL 21 SPACES, UH, UNDER EXISTING CONDITION THAT WE, UH, WE GROW INTO A PROJECTED DEFICIT OF 
          [02:35:01]
A HUNDRED TO 220, UH, PUBLIC PARKING STALLS, UM, BY FIVE AND 10 YEARS OUT. 
          AND THEN, UM, WHETHER OR NOT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS SPED ALONG BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO PARK, OR WHETHER IT JUST OCCURS WHETHER OR NOT WE, UM, TAKE ANY, YOU KNOW, ADD ANYTHING TO THE SUPPLY. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T REALLY MADE THAT DETERMINATION HERE, BUT WE DID MODEL OUT SCENARIOS B, C, AND D ON HOW MUCH OF THE PUBLIC PARKING SUPPLY, UH, MIGHT BE DISPLACED BY FUTURE PROJECTS EITHER ON STREET CHANGES OR CHANGES TO SURFACE LOTS. 
          AND SO YOU SEE A RANGE OF POTENTIAL DEFICITS RANGING FOR, FROM A PROJECTED BASELINE, 100 STALLS FIVE YEARS OUT TO A, A NEED FOR AS MUCH AS 350 STALLS IF WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE, UM, PUBLIC PARKING SUPPLY. 
          AND I THINK THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY WAS IN THAT SAME RANGE. 
          AND SO WITHOUT KIND OF REPEATING THEIR METHODOLOGY, KIND OF SETTING THAT STUDY ASIDE, SAYING WHAT WERE OUR APPROACHES TO GROWTH AND WHAT WERE OUR CONSIDERATIONS DEVELOPMENT, UH, INTERESTINGLY WE STILL ENDED UP WITH A COUPLE HUNDRED STALL DEFICIT DEPENDING ON WHICH SCENARIO YOU CHOOSE. 
          AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE ARE WITH THE TASK FORCE, IS NOW WE HAVE AN ACTIONABLE RANGE TO SAY, UM, DO WE, UM, IMPLEMENT A NO CHANGE SCENARIO AND ALLOW, UH, THE POTENTIAL RISK OF CONTINUED PARKING CONGESTION. 
          ARE THERE SOLUTIONS ON THE TABLE THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT? AND, UM, WE ARE, THAT'S THE POINT WE'RE AT WITH OUR TASK FORCE. 
          SO I'M NOT SITTING HERE TODAY SAYING THAT THESE NUMBERS MEAN THERE'S A GARAGE NEEDED. 
          I AM SITTING HERE SAYING THAT WE'VE DONE OUR BEST MATH THAT WE COULD WITH THE DATA AVAILABLE AND WE THINK THAT THERE'S PROJECTED PARKING DEFICITS, UM, YOU KNOW, PENDING, YOU KNOW, MASSIVE CHANGES TO YOUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD UPEND THAT 7% REDUCTION IN GROWTH. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE FACTORED IN. 
          BUT I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, MY BEST PROJECTION TODAY IS THAT THERE'S A MODEST, UM, I SHOULDN'T SAY MODEST, THAT'S A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE 950 PUBLIC STALLS, I THINK THAT'S A FAIRLY BIG PROJECTED DEFICIT IF WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, 200 SPOTS NEEDED. 
          SO JEREMIAH, I'M GOING TO RENEW MY PAST QUESTION, EXCEPT YOU DO HAVE 4 0 1 JORDAN HERE IN THE EQUATION, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE MUNICIPAL LOT THAT MAY BE, THAT IS VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL POSSIBLE DISCUSSION OF ITS USE. 
          AND ANDY, AGAIN, THE NORTHBOUND PARKING SPACES WILL BE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION IF THAT'S STILL IN THE QUEUE OF POSSIBLE LOSS, THAT'S WHAT'S SIX OR SEVEN SPOTS? 13. 
          13, 13. 
          SO, BUT THOSE ARE NOT IN THE, UH, CONSIDERATION. 
          SO, UH, WOULD THAT, UH, WANNA, WOULD YOU WANT TO ADD THOSE IN? I, I THINK SO. 
          AND IF THE MUNICIPAL LOT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE PROPOSED LOT THREE AND LOT FOUR AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE MORE REASONABLE TO SAY LOT ONE AND THE MUNICIPAL LOT. 
          SO THAT MIDDLE SCENARIO SCENARIO B, WHERE WE'RE TAKING SOME OF THAT OFFLINE IS PROBABLY, UH, KIND OF WITH KNOWN PROJECTS THAT MIGHT SOUNDING TO ME LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S MORE, MORE CERTAIN THAN THE OTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UH, YOU ARE ALMOST THERE. 
          SO, AND THEN I DO HAVE TWO, TWO CARDS THAT, ON THIS TOPIC THAT I WANNA ADDRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GO AHEAD AND I, I'M, I'M DONE. 
          YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          TASK FORCE. 
          NEXT STEPS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE, UH, PROJECTED PARKING DEMAND. 
          WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES, INCLUDING SURFACE LOT EXPANSION, REMOTE PARKING LOT OPTIONS, UM, CHANGES TO, YOU KNOW, POL POLICY. 
          UM, WE WILL REOPEN, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF OTHER, OTHER PLACES THAT A GARAGE MIGHT MAKE SENSE IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE WANT TO TAKE. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE STARTED WITH CRITERIA IS THAT WE WANT A TRANSPARENT PROCESS. 
          SO INSTEAD OF JUST BRINGING SOMETHING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, HERE'S OUR NEW PUBLIC LOT, OR HERE'S OUR RENDERING OF A PARKING GARAGE, WE NEED TO SHOW THEM THAT WE'VE THOUGHT THROUGH THE BENEFIT, UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROS AND CONS ESSENTIALLY. 
          AND, AND THAT WE'VE WAITED THESE ALTERNATIVES AGAINST THE CRITERIA AND HERE'S WHAT THEY ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL THE FORMAL STUFF I HAD, SO THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, SO WHY DON'T WE OPEN THE FLOOR TO, AND THE MICROPHONE TO TOM GILMAN. 
          YOU'LL BE UP FIRST, MARK 
          [02:40:01]
10, BROOK, YOU'LL BE UP, UH, NEXT. 
          AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS, FURTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE, UH, TO THE NEXT TOPIC. 
          SO TOM, HELLO MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, I KNOW I DON'T LOOK THAT OLD , BUT I'VE BEEN IN SEDONA FOR 38 YEARS. 
          I OWNED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN SEDONA FOR 38 YEARS. 
          I LIVE AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, FOREST AND, UH, WILSON DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE, UH, DRIVEWAY TO THE, UH, PINES. 
          UH, THE, UM, UH, I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, BUT YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHEN I ARRIVED HERE IN 1985 AND BOUGHT PROPERTY THAT THIS WAS A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS LARGELY FUNDED BY TOURISM. 
          IT'S BEEN THAT WAY EVER SINCE. 
          WHAT'S CHANGED IS THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE RESIDENT IS OLDER. 
          YEAH, ME TOO. 
          IT'S OLDER. 
          AND QUITE CANDIDLY, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ARE THINKING ABOUT MOVING BECAUSE OF MEDICAL SITUATIONS. 
          WE DON'T ATTRACT YOUNG FAMILIES BECAUSE OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS DON'T HAVE A VERY GOOD RATING. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, WHEN WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES WE HAVE, AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT WHAT WE COULD CHARGE EMPLOYEES $150 TO PARK THERE. 
          WE CAN'T GET EMPLOYEES NOW. 
          COTTON WOOD AND FLAGSTAFF HAVE GONE OUTTA THEIR WAY TO BUILD THEIR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. 
          MY, MY MY RESTAURANT AND MY TENANTS. 
          WE'VE CONTRIBUTED, ACCORDING TO MY ACCOUNTANT, OVER $3 MILLION IN THE LAST 30 YEARS. 
          WE KEEP LOSING SIGHT OF THAT. 
          WE KEEP SAYING, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. 
          BUT WHY CAN'T WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING? UH, WE'RE LOSING PARKING. 
          UH, THE NEWSPAPER DOESN'T PUBLISH THE NEWSPAPER ANYMORE. 
          ALL THEY HAVE IS SOME ACCOUNTING OFFICES THAT CAN MOVE VERY QUICKLY AND DISTRIBUTION, WHICH IS NOT A BIG DEAL THAT THAT COULD BE GONE. 
          WE HAVE, SO NOW WE HAVE, UM,  THAT'S IN QUESTION. 
          THE, UM, PARKING, UH, SHORT TERM PARKING THAT KAREN WAS TALKING ABOUT GETTING. 
          ALL THOSE LEASES ARE ALL COMING PRETTY CLOSE TO, TO BEING UP. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE SITTING HERE IN A TOWN THAT DEPENDS UPON TOURISTS TO PAY THE BILLS. 
          IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. 
          WE HAVE PEOPLE IN UPTOWN SEDONA THAT HAVE HAD BUSINESS THERE FOR YEARS, CAN'T FIND EMPLOYEES. 
          UH, IT'S A DISHEARTENING TO ALWAYS HEAR, OH, WELL THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT THINGS. 
          WELL, LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING. 
          WE WERE, UH, A, A, UM, TOURIST FUNDED COMMUNITY WHEN THEY MOVED HERE. 
          'CAUSE BACK IN 1985, EVERYONE HERE WAS NOT ABLE TO SURVIVE UNLESS THEY WERE IN THE TOURIST BUSINESS. 
          SO I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COUNTING AND EVERYTHING, IT'S LIKE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING NEXT DOOR TO YOUR HOUSE, SHE PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE TAB. 
          EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DECIDE, AND WE TAKE WHAT YOU THINK MORE SERIOUSLY. 
          ANYWAY, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE 50 AND 60 YEAR OLD BUSINESS OWNERS THAT HAVE PLEDGED THEIR LIVES IN THEIR LIVELIHOOD, UPTOWN SEDONA. 
          AND THEN WE TALK, WELL, WE CAN JUST DISCARD IT BECAUSE SOME OF THEM MOVED HERE TWO OR THREE, FIVE YEAR OR 10 YEARS AGO. 
          DOESN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TOURISTS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS EMBARRASSING TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU TOM, MARK. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S MARK IS THE FINAL CARD FOR THIS TOPIC. 
          SO, UH, ANYONE WANTS TO ADD A CARD, PLEASE DO SO NOW. 
          GO AHEAD, MARK. 
          UH, NAME'S MARK BROOK. 
          I LIVE IN UPTOWN. 
          UH, I UNDERSTAND THE ANALYSIS PERFORMED. 
          MCKINLEY HORN WAS, UH, FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON GATHERING, UH, PARKING COUNTS IN UPTOWN, UH, TO VALIDATE THE, UH, UH, WALTER P. MOORE STUDY. 
          UH, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE 50 DAY SPRING AND, UH, FALL BREAK PERIODS ARE THE HIGHEST USE AND THE REST OF THE YEAR REALLY, THERE'S MUCH LOWER PARKING, UH, NEEDS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO THE ADDITIONAL PARKING INFORMATION FROM AUGUST. 
          I THINK, UH, FROM MY REVIEW OF, OF WHAT I'VE SEEN, REALLY THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS THAT, UH, THIS STUDY IS TO DATE, SEEMS TO BE, UH, FOCUSED, UH, PRIMARILY ON UPTOWN. 
          AND I THINK IT REALLY NEEDS TO FOCUS A LITTLE MORE ON THE OVERALL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF PARKING THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND ALSO THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN IT AND TRANSIT, 
          [02:45:01]
UH, OTHER TRANSPORTATION MODES AND THINGS THAT HAVE DEVELOPED SINCE, UH, THE PANDEMIC. 
          I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, AS POINTED OUT BY SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE'S OTHER PARKING THAT COULD PROBABLY BE USED USING THE PARK ONCE, UH, CONCEPT. 
          UH, SOME OF THE LODGING PARKING COULD. 
          IF WE HAD, UH, UH, LODGING PARKERS KEEP THEIR CARS IN THOSE LOTS, IT MIGHT BE A BENEFICIAL WAY OF, UH, REDUCING THE NEED FOR PARKING. 
          I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UH, VARIABLE PARKING RATES DURING PEAK TIMES COULD HELP TO REDUCE, UH, THE NEED FOR PARKING. 
          I SEE PARKING ALONG, UH, 89 A, WHICH IS PAID PARKING IS USED THROUGHOUT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH NO PROBLEM. 
          UH, I DO AGREE, UH, THAT SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THE GROWTH MODEL, UH, MAY NOT HOLD WATER THE WAY I WOULD, UH, VIEW THEM. 
          I THINK THAT THE 10 YEAR GROWTH, THEY'RE WE'RE SOMEWHAT LIMITED, UH, IN THIS COMMUNITY COMPARED TO WHAT WE, UH, UH, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN THE GROWTH MODEL. 
          UH, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE IN, IN VIEWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN SEDONA. 
          I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OF RESIDENT INPUT, UH, KAREN SUGGESTED THAT THIS RE STUDY BE DONE BECAUSE THERE WAS A CONCERN BY RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH PARKING. 
          AND I THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT THERE BE A GOOD MAYBE TWO, UH, UH, INTERPLAYS BETWEEN THE CONSULTANT AND THE RESIDENTS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHERE THE STUDY BASIS IS, WHAT THE FINDINGS WERE AND HOW IT AFFECTS THEM. 
          UH, I I REALLY THINK THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLANNING NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE. 
          WE'RE HAVING MORE INFORMATION THAT'S COMING IN ON TRANSIT, I THINK OVER TIME. 
          AND I THINK, UH, THIS WOULD PROBABLY ALLOW US TO MAKE A MUCH BETTER DECISION, UH, ONCE THAT INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MARK. 
          OKAY, WE BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HAS SPOKEN? ANY COMMENTS TO ADD? GO AHEAD, PETE. 
          THANKS, MAYOR. 
          PULLING OUT MY, UH, MY INNER COUNCIL MEMBER LAMBKIN TRY TO DO CALCULATIONS ON THE DAIS HERE. 
          IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO WALK THROUGH. 
          BUT, UH, IF I THINK ABOUT THE PLAY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE WITH OUR POTENTIAL TRANSIT SYSTEM, YOU 350 SPOT SHORTAGE, WE USE THE 7% NUMBER FOR T D M BENEFIT. 
          SO IF THAT WASN'T THERE, IT WOULD BE 374 SPOTS. 
          AND AGAIN, I WOULD, I ACTUALLY DON'T WANT ROBERT TO ANSWER, UM, WHAT'S HIS TARGET FOR HOW MANY CARS HE THINK HE CAN, UH, REPLACE WITH THE TRANSIT SYSTEM GOING UPTOWN. 
          MY GUESS IS HE DOESN'T WANT TO ANSWER THAT 'CAUSE HE'D LOVE THAT KIND OF NUMBER 'CAUSE HE'D HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK. 
          SO, UH, BUT I, SO I, I THINK THIS IS REALLY WORTH YOU GUYS AND US AND STAFF, EVERYBODY THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ACHIEVE HERE WITH OUR, WITH OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM, BECAUSE I THINK THE POTENTIAL IS PERHAPS BIGGER THAN WE'RE LAYING IT OUT FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, AND IT AFFECTS THIS, THIS CALCULATION IN A VERY SIGNIFICANT WAY. 
          SO THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU KATHY, VICE MAYOR. 
          BRIAN, YOU KNOW, JUST BRIEFLY, UM, WE TALKED WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UH, ON OUR TWO ON ONE EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WOULD IT BE REALISTIC TO DO AN OVERALL PARKING, TRANSPORTATION, TRANSIT, MASTER PLANNING TYPE OF, UH, SCENARIO. 
          AND, UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT WAS MAYBE A COUPLE YEARS OUT TO START SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FINISH COMMUNITY PLAN THEN DO, UH, CULTURAL PARK MASTER PLANNING, YOU KNOW, IN A WORLD OR CONSTRAINED RESOURCES, THAT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME. 
          AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD IT RIGHT NOW AND IT COULD DOVETAIL INTO WHAT'S BEING DONE WITH THIS STUDY, BUT THAT'S NOT REALISTIC. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEREFORE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SCOPE IS ON THIS PROJECT AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT CONTINUE TO MOVE ON. 
          AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY JEREMIAH, YOU PROBABLY FEEL LIKE WE DID BE NEEDED DEATH ON A FEW OF THESE TOPICS TODAY. 
          PROBABLY NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT'S HAPPENED. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME SPIRITED THOUGHTS AROUND, UH, YOU KNOW, GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          BUT DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, SEEING YOU NEXT TIME. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND PUTTING UP WITH ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. 
          MELISSA, NO, I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK YOU COULD BE READY ON THE SEVENTH . 
          UM, I, UM, I REALLY WANTED TO SAY TO BOTH OF YOU, UM, THIS IS A REALLY HARD TOPIC FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THEREFORE FOR COUNCIL AND FOR STAFF. 
          AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE WORK OR I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO, UH, TRY AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT MAY SEEM BIZARRE TO YOU. 
          SO 
          [02:50:01]
THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, JEREMIAH. 
          I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A SCENARIO. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT TRANSIT. 
          I GET TRANSIT SHOULD BE A PART OF THIS COMPONENT, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW ARE TRANSIT SYSTEMS GOING TO HELP WHEN WE HAVE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF PEOPLE COMING FROM PHOENIX TO DRIVE UP THROUGH SEDONA, WHICH WE CAN'T STOP THEM AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH UPTOWN TO THE GRAND CANYON OR TO, UH, GRASSHOPPER OR WHEREVER, AND THEY'RE, HOW IS TRANSIT GOING TO HELP THEM IF THEY WANNA STOP AT MY FAVORITE FUDGE COMPANY IN UPTOWN AND THEY WANNA STOP AND GRAB A BAG OF FUDGE ALONG THE WAY FOR THEIR TRIP TO THE GRAND CANYON. 
          SO WHERE DO YOU ANTICIPATE THEM, UH, TRANSIT, HELPING THEM TO SHOP IN OUR SMALL STORES, ANY OF THE SMALL STORES, BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANNA PLAN ON WALKING IN UPTOWN FOR THE DAY. 
          THEY WANNA STOP AND SHOP QUICK, RUN IN, GRAB A POUND OF FUDGE AND CONTINUE ON THEIR TRIP. 
          HOW WILL TRANSIT HELP THEM HELP WHEN I SAY HELP HELP OUR BUSINESSES? YEAH, I, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A REALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER TO THAT. 
          I, I IMAGINE IF THERE WAS A STOP AND YOU HAD A, A BUST, YOU KNOW, THAT BUSINESS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE HELPED. 
          IF KAREN CAN I'LL TRY. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, YES. 
          KAREN CAN BARELY THROW ME UP. 
          'CAUSE I, I THINK MAYOR, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MIGHT BE GETTING AT. 
          OH, YOU DO. 
          'CAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SUGGESTIONS THAT IF WE ONLY WERE TO LOCATE PARKING FAR OUTSIDE OF UPTOWN AT THE ENTRY POINTS, 1 79 GATE WESTERN GATEWAY MM-HMM. 
           THAT THEN PEOPLE COULD LEAVE THEIR CARS THERE AND THEN THEY COULD RIDE TRANSIT AND GET TO UPTOWN AND SHOP AND EAT AND RECREATE. 
          BUT THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE GEOGRAPHICALLY I THINK FROM A VISITATION STANDPOINT WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING UPTOWN IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE. 
          I I AM GOING TO GO TRY TO FIND THE NUMBER FROM THE T M P AND I KNOW IT WAS, IT WAS SORT OF, UH, A NEW TECHNOLOGY AT THE TIME WITH THE CELL PHONE DATA AND THE ORIGIN DESTINATION WE WERE DOING. 
          BUT I RECALL THAT 50% WERE GOING THROUGH. 
          SO IF 50% OF THE VISITORS THAT WANT TO STOP IN UPTOWN AND GRAB LUNCH OR DO SOME SHOPPING BEFORE THEY CONTINUE ON TO RECREATE IN OAK CREEK CANYON OR GO TO FLAGSTAFF OR VISIT THE GRAND CANYON, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SERVED BY LEAVING THEIR VEHICLE ON 1 79 OR AT WESTERN GATEWAY AND THEN TAKING TRANSIT BACK AND THEN GETTING THEIR VEHICLES. 
          SO IT'S A, IT IS A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC THAN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DESTINATIONS THAT ARE EXCLUSIVELY 1 79 OR 89 A MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK OUR TASK FORCE WILL CONTINUE TO ASSESS WHAT IS IN THE ROBUST MOST SUCCESSFUL TRANSIT SCENARIO, WHICH I BELIEVE ROBERT IS ON THE PATH TO DEVELOPING. 
          I BET HE IS . 
          UM, THERE WILL STILL POTENTIALLY BE, AND MAYBE THE NUMBER'S NOT 50%, BUT IS PROBABLY SIGNIFICANT FOLKS WHO SIMPLY WOULD NOT BE SERVED BY A PARK AND RIDE TYPE OF SITUATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND IT WILL HELP, AND I'M SURE ROBERT WILL COME UP AND I, I'M SEEING THAT TRANSIT CAN HELP IN A LOT OF WAYS, ESPECIALLY TO BRING PEOPLE TO UPTOWN FROM OUR HOTELS OR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          WE HAVE THE MICRO TRANSIT. 
          I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE COMING AND THAT'S FINE, BUT WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT CAN DRIVE BY AND STOP IN OUR STORES, STOP FOR LUNCH THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA PARK SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          THEY'RE JUST GONNA KEEP ON GOING. 
          I JUST WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE. 
          I THINK THAT THOSE PEOPLE THO THAT SCENARIO FOR THE SMALL SHOPS AND EVEN SOME OF THE LARGER SHOPS IN UPTOWN, THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL. 
          AND I'M NOT SEEING THAT SCENARIO ANYWHERE IN THE REPORT. 
          SO PLEASE TAKE THOSE INTO ACCOUNT. 
          I THINK WHAT MR. GILMAN SAID WAS REALLY IMPACTFUL FOR ME. 
          AND, UH, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT THIS MANY OF MYSELF, MYSELF AND MANY OF THE OTHER SHOPKEEPERS IN UPTOWN HAVE DISCUSSED IT AND I FEEL THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING CONSIDERED HERE, NOT IN TOTALITY. 
          SO WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK, UM, FOR OURSELVES AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND THEN HOPEFULLY THE NEXT CAN I HAVE A COMMENT, A CLOSING COMMENT PLEASE. 
          JESSICA, I DIDN'T WANNA FORGET YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [02:55:01]
I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T, DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL EVER BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE DON'T NEED PARKING NO MATTER WHAT TRANSIT DOES, IT'S NOT GOING TO. 
          I THINK I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH SCOTT ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT UPTOWN, I THINK THAT UPTOWN NEEDS PARKING. 
          I DON'T THINK NO TRANSIT ALTERNATIVE IS EVER GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THAT. 
          UM, I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING THE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THAT REALLY CONSIDER THE BENEFITS OF PARKING, CONSOLIDATION, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THAT PROVIDES, UM, DIFFERENT FROM THE STATISTICS ABOUT OCCUPANCY OF PARKING STALLS OR, OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S ARE THERE, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW, HOW THAT FIGURES IN, TO THE, TO THE IDEA OF WHAT UPTOWN COULD BE AND TO HOW PERHAPS THE OPPORTUNITIES AS, AS OCCUPANCY GROWS AND WANES AND GROWS, THAT, THAT THE STALLS COULD BE USED BY CHANGING THE WAY PEOPLE PARK IN THE REST OF UPTOWN. 
          UM, SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING, TO SEEING WHAT COMES UP. 
          AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH SCOTT IN THAT THE BUSINESSES, BUSINESSES HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED SERIOUSLY NOT JUST AS A BYPRODUCT OF WHAT RESIDENTS DO AND DON'T WANT AND RESIDENTS IN UPTOWN WHO ACTUALLY LIVE A VERY LONG DISTANCE FROM THE PARKING GARAGE ITSELF. 
          I'M ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE NUMBERS THAT KAREN WAS TALKING ABOUT, COMPARING THE EVACUATION, UM, TIMES FOR OUR PARKING GARAGE VERSUS EVACUATION UNDER OUR CURRENT SCATTERED RANDOM WAY THAT PEOPLE PARK THROUGHOUT UPTOWN. 
          I THINK ALL OF THAT IS SOMETHING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO AT OUR NEXT MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU JESSICA. 
          YEAH, THAT EXACT EVACUATION PLAN, UH, IS IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL. 
          THAT'S WHERE, HOW IT CO COMPARES TO THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          I HAVE MY OWN OPINION ABOUT THAT, BUT I WANNA WAIT TO SEE WHAT OUR, WHAT DATA COMES BACK. 
          SO CAN WE, UH, COME BACK, SAY ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES AFTER FIVE QUICK BATHROOM BREAK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EXCUSE THE CURSOR ON YOUR SLIDE. 
          CAN EVERYBODY PLEASE TAKE THEIR SEATS SO WE CAN CONTINUE ON? YES. 
          I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          MY QUESTION, I JUST, WHY WE'RE SPLITTING IT INTO TWO AND IF WE'RE PULLING, I DON'T THINK WE'RE PULLING THE WHOLE EXHIBIT. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE HAVE THE COUNCIL BACK UP ON THE DAYS PLEASE? OKAY. 
          SANDY, YOU GOING TO DAZZLES LIKE YOU DID LAST NIGHT? I HAVE NO LINAS TODAY. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          OH MAN. 
          THAT WAS  BOBCATS. 
          I FORGET IT. 
          I'M ANYTHING, NOTHING. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT WAS SO COOL LAST NIGHT. 
          THAT WAS AMAZING LAST NIGHT. 
          YEAH, IT REALLY WAS. 
          WE ALL CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THAT TURNS OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE HAVE EVERYBODY COME TO THE DAIS AND LET'S GET EVERYTHING BACK ON? WE'RE ALREADY THREE MINUTES LATE, SO, OKAY. 
          SANDY AND KURT, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ANTE SHARED USE PATH. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          AND I HAVE ONE CARD FOR THIS, UH, AFTER WE, YOU GIVE THE PRESENTATION AFTER WE ASK OUR QUESTIONS. 
          GREAT. 
          SO, UM, UPDATE ON, ON DANTE AND I'M GONNA GO BACK A LITTLE BIT TO HOW WE GOT HERE. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE THOSE UPDATES WERE IN THE REPORT AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE A PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL SINCE THAT TIME. 
          SO, UM, WE DID AN OPEN HOUSE AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION. 
          I'VE BEEN LISTENING, UM, FROM MY OFFICE. 
          THE, UM, IN ORDER TO DO THE, THE SUBSTANTIAL OUTREACH THAT WE DID ON THIS PROJECT, WE STARTED TWO TO THREE MONTHS AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE WE DID, UM, I ONLY HAVE ONE SLIDE, SO I'M, I APOLOGIZE, BUT  BECAUSE I KNEW WE WANTED TO KEEP THIS QUICK. 
          SO WE, UM, WENT OUT TO 353 DIFFERENT RESIDENTS IN THIS, UM, HARMONY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND UH, THE OPEN HOUSE IN THE FALL WAS ATTENDED BY APPROXIMATELY 33 PEOPLE AND WE RECEIVED, UH, ABOUT 80 SURVEYS. 
          AND, AND ON THOSE SURVEYS, 64% OF THEM WANTED A SHARED USE PATH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND APPROXIMATELY 83% THEIR PREFERRED MODE OF TRAVEL WAS WALKING AND 64% PREFERRED THE ON DANTE ROADWAY ALIGNMENT. 
          BUT WHEN THE OTHER 28% PREFERRED THE WASH ALIGNMENT, 
          [03:00:01]
SO I WOULD SAY 95% OF THE RESPONDENTS TO OUR SURVEY WANTED IT ALONG ON DANTE. 
          SO WE MOVED AHEAD, UH, HIRED AN ENGINEER AND GOT, UM, WHAT YOU SEE UP ON THE BOARD OR THE SCREEN IS A TO IS A AERIAL AND A PROPERTY LINE SURVEY. 
          SO WE WANTED TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS, WHAT OUR PROPERTY WAS AND WHERE THE ROADWAY WAS IN BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY LINES. 
          UM, THE ALIGNMENT THAT WE'VE CHOSEN, IT MINIMIZES THE NUMBER OF EASEMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S STARTS ON THE WEST SIDE AND THEN CROSSES AND GOES TO THE EAST SIDE. 
          AS YOU GO FURTHER NORTH ON ANTE, IT GETS QUITE STEEP. 
          THE DRIVEWAYS AND ANY KIND OF GRADE TRANSITION FROM THE SHARED USE PATH TO THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT. 
          THIS IS A FEASIBILITY STAGE. 
          THIS IS NOT A DETAILED DESIGN YET. 
          WE WANNA MOVE INTO DESIGN. 
          WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THE FLOOD DRAINAGE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW HOW ALL THE GRADES ARE GONNA WORK. 
          THIS IS JUST A HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT UM, WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET THE PATH IN THIS, THIS OLDER AREA. 
          THIS IS A TIGHT, WE'VE GOT A SHOEHORN THIS PATH IN HERE. 
          I DID TALK TO PD ABOUT, UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT SPEED AND YOU CAN SEE SOME PROPOSED SPEED TABLES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THESE ARE JUST IDEAS. 
          THESE ARE NOT LOCKED IN. 
          IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS THERE HAS BEEN ABOUT 10 SPEEDING TICKETS ON THIS CORRIDOR. 
          FIVE OF 'EM WERE BETWEEN 10 TO 15 MILES AN HOUR OVER, UH, THREE OF 'EM WERE 15 TO 20 AND THEN TWO OF THEM WERE OVER 20 MILES AN HOUR. 
          SO THERE IS SOME SPEEDING GOING ON ON THIS CORRIDOR. 
          HOW MANY SPEED TABLES WOULD THERE BE? WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO, POSSIBLY THREE. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRADES AND THE, THE SITE DISTANCE THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS HIGH LEVEL, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE SPEED TABLES, YOU WANT 'EM WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE BECAUSE IF YOU JUST DO ONE, THEN THEY JUST GUN IT. 
          AND AFTER THAT IS ONE OF THEM AT THE CROSSOVER? YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I'M GONNA LEAVE IT OPEN FOR QUESTIONS FROM THERE. 
          SO WE WOULD RELOCATE, UH, MAILBOXES. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT I CAN ANSWER TO THE COUNCIL AND IT'S THIS FOOTPRINT AS YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS WHAT MINIMIZES CONFLICTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          YEAH, MINIMIZES WHAT CONFLICTS? JUST WHAT SANDY MENTIONED. 
          UTILITIES, STORM DRAINAGE, EASEMENT, ALL THOSE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GRADE CHANGES AT EACH DRIVEWAY. 
          PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          SANDY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD BEFORE I WAS SHOT GIVING YOU SHOUT OUTS FOR THE OUTREACH THAT HAPPENED AT, UH, THE LIBRARY FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GREAT AND ALL I KNOW THE, THE EFFORT OF SPANISH LANGUAGE, UH, OUTREACH THAT YOU'VE DONE AND IT'S BEEN GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MINIMIZING THE NUMBER OF, UH, OF, UH, EASEMENTS MM-HMM. 
          , ESPECIALLY FOR PROPERTY OWNERS RES THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALONG, HOW MANY, HOW, HOW MANY EASEMENTS DO WE NEED? IS IT EVERY ONE? IS IT JUST A FEW? NO, THAT'S WHY WE'VE LOOKED AT THE, THIS ALIGNMENT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT ONE TO 2, 1 1 TO TWO AND JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OLDER FINAL PLATTS AND THE WAY THEY JOG IN BETWEEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A, A JET AND A PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN SUBDIVISIONS ONE TO TWO AND, AND PLEASE I WASN'T HERE ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME. 
          THUNDER MOUNTAIN, HOW MANY DID WE HAVE TO IMPACT ? OH BOY. 
          UM, AND I KNOW IT'S QUITE A BIT LONGER, SO IT'S NOT THAT UP , IT, IT, IT WASN'T A, A LOT OF, WE DIDN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF EASEMENTS. 
          THERE WAS 91 PARCELS TOTAL. 
          SO YOU PRETTY MUCH SPLIT THAT IN HALF TO SAY THAT'S HOW MANY PARCELS WERE ADJACENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE THE PATHWAY IS ADJACENT. 
          I'M CAN I GUESS  THAT'S FINE. 
          A, A CLOSE GUESS I WOULD SAY LIKE 10. 
          BUT WASN'T THAT BECAUSE OF THE REALIGN ON THE ROAD YOU REALIGNED? DID YOU, DIDN'T YOU MOVE SECTION OF THE ROAD? YEAH, SO WE, WE IN PART OF IT WE DID KIND OF ADJUST THE ROAD. 
          YES. 
          UM, A LOT OF THAT, THE REASON WHY WE HAD TO HAVE EASEMENTS HAD TO DO WITH UTILITY CONFLICTS. 
          SO TO AVOID THOSE CONFLICTS TO START WITH IS HELPFUL. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE SPEED TABLES AND JUST KIND OF A, A GENERAL SENSE, WHEN WE EVER TALK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT SPEED TABLES, WHAT'S THEIR GENERAL APPROACH WHEN WE MENTION THESE TOPICS TO THEM? YEAH, I'VE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND, UM, THEY'RE UH, 
          [03:05:02]
THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN BETTER AT 'EM AS WE'VE BEEN DOING 'EM. 
          IT'S DIFFICULT, UM, TO FOLLOW THE PHOENIX SPEED TABLE WHEN WE'VE GOT FIVE TO 8% SLOPE ON THESE ROADWAYS. 
          SO WE FIGURED IT OUT AND WE'VE GOTTEN MUCH BETTER AT IT. 
          LONG AS IT'S BETTER THAN THE ONE ON THUNDER MOUNTAIN. 
          YOU THINK WEST OF RODEO? HECK NEVERMIND. 
          I TAKE MUCH . 
          UM, AND I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME PUBLIC CALL FOR TRAFFIC MEASURES ALONG ANDANTE EVEN BEFORE WE WERE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT A SHARED USE PATH. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WE'VE IS WOULD YOU SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD SENTIMENT OF THE SPEED OF TRAFFIC ON, ON DANTE IS IT'S TOO HIGH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S A REAL CONCERN. 
          AND THEN YOU PUT PEDESTRIANS AND THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A, AN AREA TO WALK. 
          IT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION. 
          WHEN WE DID DOOR HANGERS, IT WAS, WE REALLY FELT IT. 
          AND DOES ARE SPEED TABLES IN REALITY AT GOOD WAY TO CONTROL SPEED OR DO WE JUST GET THE MASS ACCELERATION? THE HIGH ACCELERATION AT THE, ONCE YOU GET OVER THE SPEED TABLE, IF WE DO TWO SPEED TABLES, THAT SHOULD SLOW 'EM DOWN ENOUGH. 
          THERE'S NOT A BIG ENOUGH DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND BEFORE THEY HAVE TO STOP IT. 
          THUNDER MOUNTAIN, UM, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE A SMALL PERCENTAGE THAT DON'T. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S, WE WILL, UM, HAVE A LARGER PERCENTAGE AND NOT HAVE AS MUCH. 
          I WOULD JUST THROW OUT THAT WHAT WE'VE HEARD BACK AND WHAT WE'VE OBSERVED HAS BEEN THE SAME AS THAT WE GET GENERALLY PRETTY GOOD COMPLIANCE. 
          THAT IT'S NOT OFFERING A CHALLENGE TO SEE HOW YOU CAN LAUNCH YOUR VEHICLE. 
          IT'S, THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMPLYING. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE ONE THAT YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE, IT REALLY GETS YOU TO COMPLY. 
          WELL, IT CERTAINLY DOES , RIGHT? . 
          BUT IT'S IN, BUT IT'S IN WITHIN STANDARDS. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR, UH OH. 
          ARE YOU DONE? NO, I'M SORRY. 
          PLEASE FINISH. 
          YES, I WILL. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT GOT DISPLACED. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE TO ME ALL THE TIME. 
          SORRY, . 
          WE'LL GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOU BACK. 
          ICEMAN. 
          WELL, I CAN AN ANSWER P TWO, YOU KNOW, SPEED TABLES ARE JUST ONE OF MANY TOOLS AND ENGINEERING THAT WE CAN DO FOR, UH, CONSTRICTING THE ROADS, PUTTING IN A CURB, UM, CONSTRICTION. 
          SO YOU USUALLY WORK ON THAT. 
          SO PART OF THIS, UH, IS THAT WE COULD CONSTRICT A DANTE AND MAKE IT MORE, UH, UH, NARROWER FOR TRAFFIC. 
          AND THAT'S A CALMING, UH, TECHNIQUE THAT'S USED NATIONALLY AS WELL. 
          SO WE HAVE OTHER TOOLS IN THAT, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE LAST THINGS YOU WANT TO DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I DID REMEMBER, OKAY, SO THE, THE WIDTH OF, UH, THE S U P IS WE'RE A STANDARD 10 FOOT STILL. 
          I'VE HEARD SOME CONVERSATION THAT IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN THAT. 
          UM, NO, WE'RE, THE LAYOUT THAT WE DID WAS FOR 10 FOOT AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, RESULTED IN THE, UM, TWO EASEMENT, POTENTIALLY THE TWO EASEMENTS. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT CONFLICTS, SO THERE MAY BE SOME AREAS THAT'LL NARROW DOWN, BUT WE'LL GET RIGHT BACK TO 10. 
          YEAH, THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MORE ECONOMICALLY CHALLENGED AREAS OF OUR TOWN, AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE 'EM ANYTHING LESS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. 
          THERE WAS  VICE MAYOR. 
          HI SANDY. 
          SO AM I LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY? WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PATHWAY THAT GOES UP ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND THEN YOU CROSS OVER AND IT GOES TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHY WAS THAT DONE? 'CAUSE I, I'M, THIS IS NEW INFORMATION FOR US. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, BUSINESS DOWN THERE THAT'S ON, UH, ADJACENT TO, UH, 89 A, YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING IS RIGHT THERE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE MINI CONSTRICTIONS. 
          SO AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT THE MOST ROOM WE HAD AND MINIMIZED THE NUMBER OF CONFLICTS AND MINIMIZED THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT STARTS ON THE WEST AND CROSSES TO THE EAST. 
          THE ROADWAY ALSO SHIFTS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO THERE'S, UM, IT'S ALL ABOUT MINIMIZING IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE, UH, WHEN YOU DID THE, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE SEEM TO BE GETTING A LOT OF, OF EMAILS NOW, OR A LOT RELATIVELY SPEAKING, UH, THAT ARE FROM FOLKS ON. 
          DANTE DOESN'T, DON'T SEEM TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE, AND SO YOU COULD CLARIFY THIS FOR ME, THAT HARMONY WAS WHERE THE OUTREACH WAS DONE, AND NOW THE ANTE PEOPLE ARE GOING, WAIT A MINUTE, WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? IS THAT TRUE? YEAH. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN CALLING IT HARMONY BECAUSE OF THE HARMONY HILLS SUBDIVISION, AND THIS IS CONSIDERED THE HARMONY AREA. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY 
          [03:10:01]
THAT WAS THAT NAME. 
          SO WE NEED TO CHANGE IT TO, ON DANTE, IF THAT'S THE ALIGNMENT THAT WE ALL CHOOSE TO SELECT. 
          SO JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN WE OUTREACHED IT WAS TO THE WHOLE HARMONY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT WASN'T JUST TO AN DANTE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          BUT AS, AS SANDY SAID, WE DID HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME TO IT. 
          AND THAT HARMONY WASN'T, IT WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT THE PATH MIGHT BE ON HARMONY DRIVE, JUST IN CASE ANYONE'S THINKING THAT IT WAS MORE ABOUT SAYING THIS IS THE HARMONY AREA, WHICH INCLUDES HARMONY HILLS, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE SUBDIVISIONS IN THAT AREA. 
          SO 53 RESIDENTS IS WHO WE REACHED OUT TO, SO, PARDON ME, 353 LETTERS WE SENT OUT AND DOOR HANGERS. 
          SO YEAH, WE GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOT JUST HARMONY OR ON DANTE. 
          UH, I, I WAS COMMUNICATING WITH ANDY EARLIER AND, UH, PEOPLE WERE ASKING A LOT OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, WHICH ANDY HAS BEEN RESPONDING TO, OR MAYBE YOU HAVE BEEN GIVING HIM INPUT. 
          UH, THE IDEA, I THOUGHT MAYBE WE SHOULD DO AN F A Q BECAUSE EACH OF THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS AND IT WOULD SAVE ON, ON STAFF TIME TO NOT HAVE TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THEM, EVERY, YOU KNOW, TO EACH PERSON INDIVIDUALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE TAKEN THOSE EMAILS AND WE'RE SUMMARIZING 'EM AND IT'LL BE UP BY MONDAY. 
          OH, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE YOU DONE? OKAY, KATHY? YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, 'CAUSE I'M GETTING THOSE EMAILS AS I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES ARE AS WELL NOW, BUT THE EVERY STREET IN THE AREA WAS LOOKED AT FOR THE POTENTIAL PATHWAY, INCLUDING CONCORD. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THERE'S NOT AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT PROCESS TOOK PLACE, THAT IT WAS LOOKED AT, NOT ONLY FOR ENGINEERING, BUT ALSO FOR SUPPORT. 
          SO, UH, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THAT MESSAGE OUT THERE. 
          UM, I, I THINK IT'S ALSO THE SIGHTLINE FOR THE CROSSWALK THERE. 
          I MEAN, TO ME, FROM AN AERIAL DEPICTION HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A REALLY CLEAR SIGHT LINE. 
          AND WE HAVE OTHER ROADS WHERE WE HAVE A, A SHARED USE OR A PATH OR A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE AND ACROSS, OVER TO THE OTHER. 
          POSSE GROUNDS IS ONE OF THEM. 
          SO THIS IS NOT AN UNUSUAL ENGINEERING DESIGN OR SIDEWALK DESIGN, NOT ONLY IN SEDONA, BUT IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. 
          IT'S PRETTY COMMON. 
          AND WE HAVE IT AT SOLDIERS AND CHAPEL AND OTHER AREAS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE SHARED USE PATHS. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU NEED TO GET PEOPLE ACROSS THE ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT WAS OUT THERE, THAT THAT WAS ALL LOOKED AT AND, AND, UM, , UH, CONSIDERED THE SPEED TABLES. 
          I'M, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A SKEPTIC ABOUT THE SPEED TABLES, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I JUST LEAVE THAT THERE. 
          UM, YEAH, I AGREE THAT THE FAQS WILL BE REALLY HELPFUL. 
          SO IT'S GREAT THAT THAT'S BEING WORKED ON. 
          UH, THERE WAS A OWNER THAT WROTE IN, THAT HAD PARTICULAR CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHICH SIDE OF THE ROAD THEY'RE ON, BUT THAT, THAT IS ONE OF THE OWNERS. 
          I THINK, ANDY, YOU SAW THAT ONE. 
          DID YOU PERHAPS YES. 
          REPLIED TO THAT OWNER? I DID. 
          AND, AND I THINK YOU'RE, THERE WERE A COUPLE ACTUALLY. 
          SO ONE WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT DRAINAGE ISSUES MM-HMM. 
           AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE AT THE NORTH END OF THE, OF THE ALIGNMENT MM-HMM. 
           IN THAT AREA. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE FLOODPLAIN RUNS TO THE EAST, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, LET'S SEE WHERE WE'RE AT HERE. 
          THIS IS ANTE HERE. 
          SO THE MAJOR WASH, UM, CROSSES THUNDER MOUNTAIN TO THE NORTH THERE, AND OUR, OUR SHARED USE PATH WOULD BE CONNECTING TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN, YOU KNOW, ALONG THIS SECTION OF ANDANTE. 
          SO A PORTION OF THE FLOODPLAIN EXTENDS INTO THAT AREA, BUT THAT'S WHAT, IN BLOOD PLAIN TERMINOLOGY, WE, WE CALL THAT INEFFECTIVE FLOOD FLOW AREA. 
          SO YOU SEE KIND OF A, A GREENISH AREA THERE. 
          THAT'S YOUR 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF YOUR FLOOD WAY THAT'S REQUIRED TO CONVEY THE FLOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO THE DESIGN FOR THIS, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DONE YET, WE WILL CERTAINLY BE INCLUDING DRAINAGE DESIGN AS PART OF THAT. 
          AND THERE WAS ANOTHER, UH, OWNER WHO HAD A SIGHT LINE ISSUE. 
          I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THAT FOR THEM, THAT PERSON AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WELL, THERE WAS ANOTHER OWNER ON THE SOUTH END OF THE ALIGNMENT. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE SAME ONE THAT HAD THE SITE DISTANCE ISSUES, NOW THAT I THINK OF IT. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU CREATE A FACILITY AND GET THESE USERS 
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OF THIS MULTIMODAL SYSTEM OUT OF THE ROADWAY, IT'S CERTAINLY MUCH MORE SAFE THAN THOSE, THOSE, UH, RECREATING FOLKS DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. 
          AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN SANDBORN ALIGNMENT, WE PUT MANY SAFETY FEATURES TYPICALLY INTO OUR DESIGN TO ENSURE THAT WE MINIMIZE THE CONFLICT BETWEEN USERS OF THE PATHWAY VERSUS FOLKS PULLING IN AND OUT OF DRIVEWAYS AND AS WELL AS, UM, FOLKS DRIVING ON THE STREET. 
          AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, SO THIS COMES ALL THE WAY UP TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN ROAD, THIS WILL TIE INTO THAT PATHWAY. 
          THERE WILL BE A, AN ACTUAL CONNECTION THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY CROSSING OR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST STOPPING, YOU CAN JUST IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW THE PATHWAY, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT YOU. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          SORRY, WE DO THIS RIGHT. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK ANYMORE. 
          WE'RE LIKE . 
          SIT ALL RIGHT IN FRONT. 
          , MELISSA. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN, YOU SURE? I WANNA MAKE SURE I DON'T, OKAY. 
          I'LL MISGUIDE YOU, JESSICA. 
          OH, WELL, POSITIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          JESSICA, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I DON'T. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR REMINDING ME. 
          I, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE, UH, ONLY BECAUSE I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT. 
          UM, CAN YOU JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE ADDRESS HOW THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF HIS NEIGHBOR'S REQUEST, IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT AND DO YOU WANNA, BECAUSE THAT WAS BEFORE I EVEN CAME ON THAT WE HAD, WHAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO? WE HAD, UH, UH, THE COMMUNITY COME HERE ASKING FOR BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHETHER IT WAS ANTE OR, OR THE OTHER STREETS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY WERE, THEY WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN THEIR SAFETY AND AS WERE WE, SO WE, DID WE MOVE THIS AHEAD FROM OTHER, LIKE, UH, COFFEE POT WE HAVE, AND ACTUALLY IF YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK EVEN FURTHER OKAY. 
          WE CAN TALK ABOUT, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT PUBLIC WORKS PURSUED GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND, UM, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT, AT THAT TIME A SIDEWALK ON AND DANTE. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY BACK DURING THOSE EFFORTS, THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FELL THROUGH. 
          WE HAD THE RECESSION. 
          AND SO AT THE TIME, BECAUSE OF LACK OF FUNDING, THE PROJECT WAS SHELVED. 
          AND THEN AS WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH SEDONA AND MOTION PROJECTS AND SPECIFICALLY THE SIM 11 STRATEGY WITH BIKE AND PED AND, UH, THE STEPS PROJECTS, SANDY AND HER TEAM, UH, HAVE PURSUED ANOTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS AS WELL. 
          I THINK MOST RECENTLY WE FOUND THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE AWARDED THAT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL CONTINUING TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THESE KIND OF PROJECTS. 
          UM, SO GOING BACK TO WHERE, WHERE YOU STARTED A FEW YEARS AGO, A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA CAME TO THE CITY, AND THIS WAS AFTER THOSE OTHER PROJECTS HAD HAD BEEN, UM, SHELVED AND SAID, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY IN THE HARMONY AREA. 
          SO IT WASN'T REALLY ON THIS STREET OR THAT STREET, IT WAS REALLY KIND OF ALL THESE STREETS AND WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP US? UM, WE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT SOME OF THEIR FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WALKING THE STREETS TO THE GROCERY STORE OR TO DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS AND THEY WERE FEELING UNSAFE. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY GATHERED A GROUP OF STAFF, AND I WAS ONE OF THEM. 
          WE WENT OUT AND WALKED THE AREA AND LOOKED AT DIFFERENT STREETS AND POTENTIAL ALIGNMENTS AND, UM, AT THE TIME, AND DANTE WAS, WAS, UM, MORE PREFERRED, UM, FOR US TO PURSUE THAT. 
          AS YOU ALLUDED TO, IN THE MIDDLE OF LOOKING AT THIS, WE HAD MANY OTHER PROJECTS GOING ON, AND WE LOOKED AT WHERE WE WERE IN OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM AND WHERE WE COULD FIT THIS IN. 
          AND THIS IS JUST WHERE, WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON IT TODAY IS WHERE WE COULD FINALLY FIT IT IN. 
          SO I HOPE THAT HELPS. 
          THAT WAS, IT HELPS A LOT BECAUSE I WAS ON THE PHONE THE OTHER NIGHT WITH SOMEBODY WHO SAID, HOW DID THIS JUST COME ABOUT? I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          OH. 
          AND THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T NOTIFIED. 
          AND I KNEW THAT THEY WERE, UH, BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THERE WERE DOOR CARDS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER, UH, UH, ACTIONS TAKEN TO NOTIFY PEOPLE. 
          BUT SO I, I GAVE THEM THE HISTORY, BUT I JUST WANT, UH, ANYBODY ELSE IN CASE MAYBE THEY MOVED IN AFTER THAT HAPPENED AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW. 
          SO, UM, CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO CONTACTED ME SAID, WELL, I'M GONNA LOSE MY ON STREETT PARKING. 
          IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT ON STREETE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OR NEITHER? WELL, ONE OF 
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THE THINGS THAT I'VE LOOKED AT IS, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ON-STREET PARKING. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE AMAZON DELIVERY SERVICE TRUCKS AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT WE'LL NEED A PLACE TO PARK. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          BUT, UM, THESE ARE NARROW STREETS AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT, UM, SOME PEOPLE HAVE COME GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO PARKING ON WITHIN THE CITIES RIGHT. 
          OF AWAY INSTEAD OF ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND SO, UM, THERE IS SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE NEED TO BE MADE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN BY TWO OF THE PEOPLE THAT CONTACTED ME THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT A RIGHT OF WAY IS. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'RE SAYING, I'M GONNA, YOU, I HAVE TO MOVE MY FENCE. 
          I HAVE TO MOVE MY DRIVEWAY. 
          I HAVE, WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR ALL THESE? I SAID, WELL, WE'LL PAY FOR IT ALL. 
          YOU KNOW, IF IT'S PART OF THE PROJECT, YOU'LL, AND I REMEMBERED WHAT YOU DID ON, UH, FOR, UH, THE LAST PROJECT AND YOU WERE, I DON'T WANNA SAY YOU, THE TEAM WAS VERY, VERY GOOD AS FAR AS WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, REALIGNING DRIVEWAYS, UH, KEEPING PAVERS AND, AND, AND, AND THE TYPE OF MATERIAL OF DRIVEWAYS CONSISTENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT STILL DIDN'T, UH, CONVINCE THE PERSON THAT HE STILL WANTED IT. 
          SO, UH, BUT THAT'S THE FACTS. 
          SO, UM, OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE TWO CARDS NOW. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO CARDS. 
          LET'S GO ONTO THE CARDS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT KIM S SPANGLER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, THREE CARDS. 
          KIM? STILL HERE? I CAN'T SEE. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. 
          OKAY. 
          TRACY DELANEY AND FOLLOWED BY, UH, CHRISTINA MAY. 
          OH, THAT'S GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          HELLO. 
          HAVE YOU DONE THIS BEFORE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST, UH, CALM DOWN NAME. 
          I AM, I AM BEYOND EXCITED . 
          OKAY. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          JUST START WITH YOUR NAME. 
          TRACY DELANEY, YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. 
          I AM A SEDONA RESIDENT. 
          I AM AT THREE 90 ON DANTE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I AM ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          I WILL BE IMPACTED AND I WELCOME IT. 
          I'M SO EXCITED AND SUPPORTIVE. 
          UM, MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS AT THE LIBRARY, THERE WAS A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT SAID, WE DON'T WANT THE SHARED USE WIDE PATHWAY, WE JUST WANT A NORMAL SIDEWALK. 
          SO THAT'S NOT BEING CONSIDERED ANYMORE ON THIS PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S BEEN, YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          DO WE WAIT UNTIL SHE'S DONE WITH HER QUESTION? WELL, YEAH. 
          WAIT, WHY DON'T YOU, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF HAVING IT ERECTED, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYBODY JUST WANTED A BASIC NARROW SIDEWALK SO THAT IT'S NOT AS ENCROACHING ON THEIR SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          HANDY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW THAT THAT HAS COME UP A COUPLE TIMES. 
          UM, THE THING TO CONSIDER THERE IS IF WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE CAPACITY THAT YOU PROVIDE WITH THE SHARED USE PATH, TECHNICALLY YOU WOULD NEED A SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES. 
          WHAT THE SHARED USE USE PATH DOES IS IT, IT ALLOWS BIDIRECTIONAL TRAFFIC, IT ALLOWS FOR MULTIMODAL TRAFFIC. 
          SO, SO WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING IS A FACILITY THAT ADDRESSES A WIDE RANGE OF, OF USERS AND, AND MODES OF TRAVEL. 
          YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE FOLKS IN, ESPECIALLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE YOUNGSTERS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M A DAD. 
          I WOULDN'T WANT MY BOYS OUT RIDING THEIR BIKE IN THE STREET. 
          THIS IS A FACILITY WHERE THEY CAN FEEL SAFE RIDING WITH THEIR FAMILY. 
          UM, SO YES, YOU KNOW, IT COMES UP A LOT THAT A PERSON WILL SAY, WELL, I WOULDN'T USE THAT FACILITY. 
          WHY WOULD YOU, WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD YOU BUILD THAT? 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WEARING THE SPANDEX, THEIR HAIR ON FIRE, RIDING THROUGH TRAFFIC. 
          AND THIS FACILITY, HONESTLY IS NOT FOR THEM. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE RIDING IN TRAFFIC, MORE POWER TO THEM, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THEY'RE NOT IN THEIR VEHICLE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. 
          BUT WE WANT MORE PEOPLE NOT IN THEIR VEHICLE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE VEHICLES ON THE STREET. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF WHAT THIS PROVIDES, IF YOU HAD A, A SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY LESS IMPACTFUL. 
          A NORMAL SIDEWALK IS FOUR, FIVE FEET, FIVE FEET, FIVE FEET. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S THE SAME. 
          SO, WELL, BUT YOU GOTTA CONSIDER THAT IF YOU HAD A SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, YOU HAVE CURB AND GUTTER AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER TWO FEET. 
          SO TECHNICALLY THIS IS NARROWER THAN HAVING A SIDEWALK ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          MOST SIDEWALKS PROHIBIT BICYCLE USE OR OTHER ALTERNATIVE USE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO, WELL, I CAN DISPUTE THAT, KURT. 
          I GREW UP ON A, A SIDEWALK IN FRONT 
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OF MY HOUSE AND I RODE MY BIKE ALL THE TIME. 
          BUT, BUT, UH, PEOPLE WENT IN THE DIRECTIONAL WAY OF TRAFFIC , YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY. 
          AND THEN REMEMBER WE'RE TALKING LIKE INDUCED DEMAND. 
          SO THIS IS INDUCED DEMAND FOR PEOPLE TO USE SI UH, THE SHARED USE PATH FOR PSS BICYCLISTS, ALT MODES OF TRANS OF NON-MOTORIZED TRANSPORTATION. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS ADULT SON WHO'S LIVED HERE SINCE HE WAS THREE. 
          HE COMES HOME WALKING FROM 89 A FROM HIS JOB IN THE DARK IN DECEMBER. 
          AND IT'S NOT UNTIL WE HEAR HIS FOOTSTEPS ON THE GRAVEL THAT HE'S HOME THAT WE CAN BREATHE EASY. 
          WE JUST KNOW THAT MOMENT. 
          IT'S LIKE, OKAY, EVERYTHING'S OKAY. 
          SO WE COMPLETELY WELCOME WHETHER IT'S A SHARED PATH OR A SIDEWALK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID YOU SPEAK A COUPLE YEARS AGO? NO, I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED SOMETHING. 
          SAME THING. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE SAME THING. 
          VERY SIMILAR KIND OF SAFETY THING, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          CHRISTINA, MAY OKAY. 
          YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. 
          CHRISTINA, MAY. 
          I'M FROM SEDONA AND I LIVE AT 2 5, 5, 5 MUL DEER. 
          SO IT'S ON THE CORNER OF MUL DEER AND ANTE. 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I WELCOME THIS. 
          I THINK YOU'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB, SANDRA. 
          AND, UH, I LIVE ON THE CORNER AND IT'S SO BUSY. 
          PEOPLE WILL SPEED UP AND DOWN AND THEY'LL WHIP AROUND AND THEY'LL GO DOWN MUL DEER. 
          AND SO HAVING THOSE RAISED PATH OR THE, UH, CROSSES WILL BE WONDERFUL BECAUSE THAT'LL SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS, UH, A LOT OF THE DRAINAGE IS SUCH A PROBLEM FROM, UH, THUNDER MOUNTAIN, AND I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK UP ABOVE THAT. 
          AND THEN THAT BIG DRAINAGE DITCH FROM ON DANTE OVER TO, UM, GOING INTO THAT NEW SUBDIVISION THERE, CRIMSON VIEW, I, I THINK IT IS. 
          ANYWAY, IT'S LIKE ONE BIG DIP AND THAT WATER COMES DOWN AND IT FLOWS OVER MY CORNER LIKE A WATERFALL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THIS CURB AND GUTTER AND THAT IS JUST GONNA BE FANTASTIC. 
          SO I, I AM SO EXCITED AND I LOVE HOW YOU'VE DONE IT. 
          AND SO THAT'S OUR CONCERNS. 
          AND MAYBE I CAN I PUT INPUT AS YOU GO ALONG. 
          YEAH, I'D LIKE TO GET BUSINESS CARDS BECAUSE I HAVE A FEW IDEAS, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. 
          AND SANDY, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE ON THIS? MORE COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, EXCELLENT. 
          SO WE, WE WERE LOOKING FOR MOVE AHEAD WITH DESIGN ON, IF YOU NEED THAT FROM US, I WILL ABSOLUTELY, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU MOVE AHEAD WITH DESIGN. 
          THIS IS ALMOST AS EXCITING AS LAST NIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW HOW, HOW THE NEIGHBORS FEEL ABOUT IT, . 
          SO NOW WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE YOU INPUT FROM THE REST. 
          SO I, I JUST WANNA SAY I SAID THIS IN MY TWO-ON-ONE WITH, WITH KAREN. 
          UM, ANNIE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE SUVS, BUT, UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS SEDONA. 
          I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF OUR LEGACY TO SEDONA IS CREATING A SAFE WAY FOR ANYONE WHO LIVES HERE WHO WANTS TO COME VISIT HERE, TO BE OUTSIDE ON AREAS WHERE THERE COULD BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, UM, AND SOME CRAZY DRIVING. 
          UM, AND SO I WOULD SAY JUST BUILD A MALL, UM, LIKE TODAY. 
          BUT SINCE YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT, THEN YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD WITH THEN. 
          DANTE, DO WE NEED A MOTION? UM, SUSAN, IT'S BRIAN. 
          YOU WANNA DIRECTION? IT WAS DIRECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I CANNOT REMEMBER. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THE DAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ALMOST AS GOOD AS THE HALINA. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOTHING COULD COMPARE TO THAT. 
          WELL NO, I KNOW, BUT I SAID ALMOST. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          BUT SHE REALLY NAILED IT LAST NIGHT. 
          SO . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, KURT, JUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I THINK WE'VE KIND OF, WE HAD A BUNCH MORE TO PRESENT. 
          IT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITY'S MANAGER'S OFFICE OR MYSELF. 
          WE'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING NOW THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS OF THE CONTENT THAT WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY PRESENT ON, UH, FOR THOSE OTHER SIM PROJECTS. 
          IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE OUTLINES, UM, UPDATES AND INFORMATION, SOME DATA POINTS IN THE AGENDA BILL. 
          BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND IF IT'S SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC FOR ONE OF OUR, UH, PROJECT MANAGERS, WE'LL CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP AND GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          WORKS FOR ME. 
          I THINK YOU TOUCHED ALL THE, THE HIGH POINTS SO TODAY. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ONE QUESTION, VICE MAYOR, WHEN DO WE PLAN TO PUT OUT, UH, 'CAUSE I THINK ANDREW SAID THERE WERE 90% 
          [03:30:02]
FINISHED ON THE DESIGN FOR THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT. 
          YEAH, THAT'D BE YES'. 
          BE YOU KURT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          UH, THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT. 
          WE'RE AT 90% RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'RE CLOSELY WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN ON SOME FINE DETAILS RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY'RE HAVING 'EM REPLACING THE BRIDGE, UM, THE EXISTING ARCH BRIDGE. 
          WE'RE HAVING 'EM GO BACK TO DO MORE DETAIL ANALYSIS. 
          THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO. 
          UM, YEAH, SO WE'RE MOVING, UH, WIDE ALONG. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY EXPANDING, UM, EASEMENTS AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE, UH, RETAINING WALLS, UM, THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO AGAINST THE SHARED USE PATH. 
          UM, THAT THOSE TIEBACK SYSTEMS ARE GONNA BE THE MOST VALUE FOR THE PROJECT AND COST EFFECTIVE. 
          SO WE'RE HAVING TO GET AN EXHIBIT LOOK AT THAT. 
          SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF, UM, OTHER CRITICAL MILESTONES WE HAVE TO GET TO. 
          BUT YEAH, WE'RE ACTIVELY MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. 
          SO TO CLARIFY, I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE SHOULD BE BIDDING AND THEN COMING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A CONTRACT THIS FALL FOR BREWER. 
          RANGER BREWER, ROUNDABOUT. 
          BREWER RANGER. 
          YES. 
          DOES THAT HELP? OKAY. 
          WE, WE HOPE, BUT THERE'S SOME BIG MILESTONES, ANDY, WE STILL HAVE TO GET CLEARED UP TO, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S OUR TARGET. 
          YEAH, THAT'S OUR TARGET, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THEN ON THE, UM, SIM ONE B, THE UPTOWN ONE, WE WENT OUT TO BID, WE HAD ADVERTISING. 
          WE ONLY HAD ONE BID, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA RE ADVERTISE. 
          UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME ALTERNATIVES, JUST TRY TO SPEED THAT PROJECT ALONG. 
          OUR DIRECTION IS TO WORK IN THE TRAVEL WAY. 
          THE SHARED USE PATH SEEMS TO BE A BIG OBSTACLE WITHIN THAT BIDDING PROCESS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SEPARATE THAT OUT, UM, THAT WAY WE CAN GET SOME GOOD QUALITY BIDS. 
          AGAIN, THE DROP DUE DEAD DELIGHT FOR THAT DELIVER THAT PROJECT IS MARCH 1ST. 
          SO WORKING BACKWARDS, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING PRESSED FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          WE'RE HOPING TO GET SOME BETTER QUALITY BIDS AND, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A, A, A BIG HEAVY LIFT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE UP TO THE TASK. 
          SO I HAVE TWO OTHER REALLY QUICK, AND SO THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE OAK CREEK, UH, PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THE CONSTRUCTION GOING. 
          EVERYTHING GOING WELL? YES. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING, UH, ALONG, WE AGAIN RAN INTO THE PERMIT ISSUE WITH A D E Q. 
          UM, A D E Q. 
          WE GAVE US FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT A 14 DAY, UH, VERSUS A 30 DAY. 
          SO THAT'S CREATING SOME DELAYS. 
          WE'RE WORKING WITH ANNEKE TO DO SOME ALTERNATIVE WORK, WHICH IS, UH, PERMEABLE GROUT INJECTION ON THAT PATH. 
          UM, WE WERE HOPING TO GET THAT AS WELL, TO SUPPLEMENT US TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING AS RIGHT ALONG. 
          SO FORTUNATELY BEE'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT AND THEY'RE VERY UNDERSTANDING, BUT UH, AGAIN, IT'S CHALLENGING PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE TREES HAVING TO WORK AROUND THEM. 
          WE HAVE THREE FOUR ARBORISTS ON THAT PROJECT, SO, UM, I MUST COUNT. 
          YEAH, VERY, VERY DETAILED, BUT TO LOCKA, EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE WORKING FORWARD TO THE END GOAL. 
          SO, SO FAR SO GOOD. 
          AND MY LAST QUICK QUESTION IS FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, IS THERE A SOLID DATE FOR THE RESTART? THERE IS. 
          OH, DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA, SORRY, I'M SO USED TO ANSWERING  THAT YES, IT'S OCTOBER RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH DETAILS. 
          UH, BOB WELCH IS GONNA PRESENT THAT ON GETTING, UH, FAN OUT HERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THAT WAS THE BEST STATE THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE. 
          WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT THE, THE UTILITY CONFLICTS ASSURING 'EM THERE IS NONE. 
          UM, THEY NEED TO GET OUT. 
          BUT AGAIN, FAN GAVE US A DO A BIG FAVOR ON GOING, UH, STANDBY WITHOUT CHARGES. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE FINISHING UP ON WHAT ANDY REFERRED TO ON THE FLEX LANES ON I 17. 
          SO YOU'RE GOING DOWN TO PHOENIX, YOU'LL SEE THEM PAVING. 
          THAT MEANS THAT THEIR GRADING CREWS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO COME AND WORK ON OUR PROJECT AND GET THEM GOING. 
          SO, AND AGAIN, THAT'LL WORK ALL THE WAY THROUGH WINTER INTO NEXT SPRING. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, THE, AND THEN THE BLASTING, IT WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN WITHOUT A MONTH OR SO AFTER THEY START MOVING DIRT IN THERE AND THEN WORKING ON THE RETAINING WALLS. 
          SO ANDY, DID I MISS ANYTHING? SOUNDED GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THAT I, 17 IS GOING REALLY SLOWLY. 
          WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF ROCK THAT HAD A BLAST, SO THERE IS, AREN'T YOU GLAD YOU'RE NOT I WAS EIGHT THAT ANYMORE. 
          YES. 
          I'M VERY HAPPY. 
          WELL, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE, VERY GLAD TO BE HERE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE NEW ROUNDABOUT ON 89 A BY THE FOREST ROAD, UH, CONNECTION. 
          WHERE IS THAT IN THE PLANS? THAT'S EIGHT S T OH EIGHT, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. 
          YOU ALL APPROVED TO GO FOUR FOR THE DESIGN, RIGHT? 365,000. 
          HOW SOON BEFORE YOU START TO SEE? WELL, RIGHT NOW THEY, THEY, THE STUDY WAS USED UP, SO WE WORKED WITH KIMLEY HORN TO TRY TO MOVE AHEAD OF THAT PROJECT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, SO YES, THAT'S IN THE HOPPER 
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AND WE BOTH HAD CONCERNS THAT WE WERE OVERWHELMING KIMLEY HORN, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE A BIG NATIONAL FARM. 
          UM, THEY PROMISED US THAT THO THEY'RE GONNA START. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW AS WE WON'T. 
          AND PART OF THAT TOO IS, UM, WE SHOULD MENTION NACOG ON HOW WE'RE COMING BACK UP FOR THAT GRANT AGAIN TO BE REVISITED BY NACOG SINCE WE WEREN'T SELECTED LAST YEAR. 
          SO, AND THEN WE JUST, UH, JUMPED, UH, RAISED THE, UM, THE COST, UH, FOR THAT, FOR INFLATION FROM SIX AND A HALF MILLION TO SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER REALLY BIG PROJECT. 
          UM, WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? 
          [5. ADJOURNMENT]
HEARING NONE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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