* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. IT'S, UH, WE'RE [00:00:01] GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, [Historic Preservation Commission on September 11, 2023.] UM, FOR OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2023 AT FOUR O'CLOCK. UM, CAN I HAVE, UH, WELL, LET'S DO THE P PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE FIRST HERE. HOLD ON. I HAVE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. UNITED OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY DE JUSTICE. THANK YOU. UM, CAN I HAVE ROLL CALL CHAIR UNGER? PRESENT VICE CHAIR MYERS PRESENT. COMMISSIONER HUGGINS? HERE. COMMISSIONER FEENEY. HERE. COMMISSIONER EGNER IS EXCUSED. OKAY. SO, UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. UM, I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY HERE KNOW THAT, UM, WE DID MEET, STEVE AND I DID MEET WITH, UH, UH, THE OTHER STEVE , THE TWO STEVES, UM, AND WAS CYNTHIA THERE, OR I CAN'T, TERRY, TERRY, JERRY. THAT'S RIGHT. SHERRY WAS THERE. CARRIE, CARRIE, CARRIE. CARRIE WAS THERE. UM, SO WE ACTUALLY MET WITH, UM, WENDY, AND, UH, SHE'S, SHE'S FINE WITH US GOING AHEAD. THERE'S GONNA BE NO PROBLEM. SHE'S, SHE BASICALLY, SHE SAID SHE'S NOT WORRIED ABOUT A TIMEFRAME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SHE'S NOT GONNA BE DOING ANOTHER EVENT TO YOUR RELIEF , AND, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE SHE FEELS THAT SHE'S DONE SO MANY THIS YEAR THAT SHE REALLY HAS TO PULL BACK A LITTLE BIT. SO, UM, WE'LL PROBABLY BE DOING SOMETHING THERE ONCE THAT HAPPENS. BUT RIGHT NOW SHE SAID JUST, JUST LEAVE IT, GO AND LET IT TAKE ITS COURSE, WHICH THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. UM, AND THEN SHE'LL BE FINE WITH, WITH THAT, BUT WE DON'T, SHE DOESN'T WANNA, SHE WAS RUSH RUSHING US BEFORE, BUT NOW IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT NEEDING TO RUSH IT. IT'S, IT'S FINE. THEN ON WEDNESDAY WE ARE MEETING WITH, UM, LYNN AND ELLEN FROM THE, UM, KIVA HOUSE, UH, TO, TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT, WELL, THIS THEN WITH THE CITY STAFF, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT HAS NOT, NOT OCCURRED YET. SO THE CITY STAFF NEEDS TO MEET WITH, UM, WITH, WITH THEM. AND IT SHOULD BE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A VERY LONG MEETING. I THINK THEY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, WHICH I THINK THE STAFF CAN ACTUALLY, UM, ANSWER. UM, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, UM, WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. SO, UM, I THINK THOUGH THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF MOVING AHEAD. THEY'RE VERY, STILL VERY EXCITED ABOUT DOING THIS, SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IN ANY, ANY, THERE'S NOT A BARRIER THERE AT THIS POINT. SO, UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU NEEDED TO DO, SAY, DONNA? I JUST WANTED TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT I WILL BE FINALIZING ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE ATTENDEES TO THE CONFERENCE. OKAY. AND SUBMITTING PER DIEM REQUESTS FOR COVERAGE OF THE MEALS. AND YOU WILL SEE A PUBLIC NOTICE GO OUT SINCE A QUORUM OF THE COMMISSION IS ATTENDING. OKAY. AND THAT'LL BE GOING OUT PROBABLY THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER OR NEXT WEEK. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, IF I COULD INTERJECT FOR A SECOND. YES. UM, BACK TO, TO LOCK OF POCKE IN OUR MEETING WITH WENDY. MM-HMM. , JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DID FORWARD HER ADDRESSES AND LABELS OH, GREAT. UH, FOR HER, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST STEP OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO WITH LYNN AND ELLEN TOO. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THAT POINT. SO, AND I, I THINK, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERN AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS GONNA WORK AND THEY WERE GONNA BE COMFORTABLE OR UNCOMFORTABLE. I THINK LYNN AND ELLEN, ONCE WE DISCUSS IT WITH THEM AND, AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE FINE WITH THEM TOO. SO I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. DONNA, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE, UH, CONFERENCE AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES. UH, DO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT CONVERSING OR, OR ANYTHING? OR IS IT OKAY FOR US TO JUST PROCEED AS, AS NORMAL PEOPLE RATHER THAN COMMISSIONERS? , LET'S BE ABNORMAL. WELL, COMMISSIONERS CAN BE NORMAL AT TIMES. , WELL, THIS, IS THIS ONE OF THOSE TIMES WE CAN BE NORMAL. ARE WE REALLY NORMAL? I MEAN, , SINCE A QUORUM OF THE COMMISSION IS ATTENDING, YOU SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING BUSINESS AS A QUORUM BECAUSE THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A MEETING WITHOUT PUBLIC NOTICE. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION TO ONE OF THE OTHERS, THAT'S FINE. BUT I WOULD AVOID GETTING TOGETHER AS A GROUP. WE'RE NOT TALKING BUSINESS. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. BUT, AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH ATTENDING THE SAME SESSIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CORRECT. YEAH. 'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THAT, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS SORT OF KEPT OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE. YEAH. UM, AND, AND TYPICALLY [00:05:01] I THINK THERE'S BEEN AN EFFORT TO SPREAD YOU OUT BETWEEN DIFFERENT SESSIONS SO YOU GET WIDER COVERAGE. COVERAGE. WELL, WE, THE C L G TRAINING, IF THEY HAVE THAT, AGAIN, EVERYONE IS SUPPOSED TO ATTEND, ATTEND THAT, BUT I, BUT I THINK TOO, UM, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY GET TOGETHER AT THE VERY BEGINNING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SET THAT AS SET WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. UM, WE DON'T DO A LOT OF CONVERSING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN SEDONA. YEAH. GOT IT. THAT'S WHAT, JUST AVOID HAVING A QUORUM PRESENT DISCUSSING BUSINESS. YEAH. GOT IT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE? ARE WE OKAY? YEAH, WE GOOD? OKAY. SO LET'S GO ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AND ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 14TH, 2023? I OKAY. HEARING NO CORRECTIONS, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. , I GOT IT. I I ACTUALLY WROTE IT DOWN. , . I'M GETTING BETTER. . OKAY. THE PUBLIC FORUM. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT IS, IS GOING TO BE, UM, BUT YEAH, EXCEPT , I DON'T THINK. NO, NO. , I GET IT. . OKAY. SO LET'S GO ON TO NUMBER FIVE, REGULAR BUSINESS. UM, DISCUSSION RE REGARDING THE CON CONSIDERATION OF LANDMARKING OR, OR ISSUING A RESOURCE RECOGNITION AWARD FOR THE RAINBOW'S END RELICS RESTAURANT AND ROADHOUSE BUILDING AT 32 35 WEST ARIZONA 89 A AND THE TREASURE ART GALLERY BUILDING AT 2 8 5 5, STATE ROUTE 1 79. NOW, I KNOW YOU PUT THIS ON OUR AGENDA HERE, SO DO YOU WANT TO SORT OF EXPLAIN WHY THAT CAME UP TO OUR, ON OUR AGENDA SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, LOOKING AT AND TALKING TO? SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUESTED TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA FROM THE LAST MEETING. UM, AS, UM, AN ASIDE, I HAPPENED TO BE IN A MEETING WITH, UM, JOHN SNICKERS FROM THE ARIZONA WATER DEPARTMENT. AND OF COURSE THE ARIZONA WATER DEPARTMENT DOES OWN THE PROPERTY NOW WHERE REX IS. AND OKAY. UH, I PO TO HIM, UH, WOULD ARIZONA WATER COMPANY BE UP FOR SOME SORT OF HISTORICAL RECOGNITION OF THE BUILDING OR PROPERTY? AND HE SAID HE BELIEVED SO, BUT HE WOULD PASS THAT ALONG TO HIS SUPERIORS AND LET ME KNOW. OKAY. SO, AND I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ON THAT. UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ANYMORE, UM, CODE, THE, THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT LIVES NOW. SO, UM, WHAT ARE WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE APPROACHING AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? BECAUSE I THINK FOR ALL OF US TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY REVIEW THAT AGAIN. AND I, I WENT THROUGH THE, AND ACTUALLY I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE PROBABLY GONE THROUGH IT TOO. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT ACTUALLY TALKS TO THE FACT THAT, UM, WE HAVE THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM. SO I, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, OR YOU GUYS NEED SOME TIME TO, TO, TO, TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON IT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THAT YOU KNOW, WHERE IT LIVES SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE WE'RE APPROACHING AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH IT. BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, THE, THE DOCUMENTATION IN THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW. RIGHT. SO WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CORRECT PROCESS. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. SO I, I WILL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONE IF, IF YOU COULD. ABSOLUTELY. NOW, I, I WILL MENTION ONE THING, AND I THINK MOST OF US ON THE COMMISSION HERE KNOW RELICS WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE MADE SO MANY CHANGES IN THE FRONT END OF THE BUILDING. THAT LANDMARKING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN DO. THE BACK END OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY IS PRETTY, UH, SOLIDLY WHAT IT WAS IN THE PAST, BUT LIKE THE ART BARN, THE ART BARN, THE VERY BACK END OF THE ART BARN WAS PRETTY MUCH WHEN THEY CAME TO US AND WANTED TO LANDMARK, THAT PRETTY MUCH WAS THE SAME AS IT WAS, BUT THE FRONT PART OF IT, AND SO MUCH OF IT HAD BEEN ALTERED SO RADICALLY THAT WE COULD NOT ACTUALLY LANDMARK IT. SO I THINK, AND, AND PLEASE, I'M LEAVING IT OPEN TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, THE RELICS. UM, I, MY MY OPINION IS THAT IT PROBABLY ISN'T LAND. WE CAN'T MAYBE LANDMARK IT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES MADE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OPEN TO ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION THAT HAS ANY OTHER IDEAS. I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, STEVE, FIRST ONE FOR YOU, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH, UM, MR. DELICIOUS SNICKERS BAR, UM, , JOHN [00:10:01] SNICKERS? IS THAT HIS NAME? JOHN SNICKERS? YES. UH, CAN YOU CLARIFY, UM, UH, THE CONVERSATION, WAS THAT ABOUT LANDMARKING OR WAS IT ABOUT RECOGNITION, OR WAS THAT KIND OF OPEN-ENDED? IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE RECOGNITION. JOHN REALIZES THAT THERE HAS BEEN ENOUGH CHANGES WITH THE BUILDING, AND HE, IN FACT, HE STATED HIMSELF THAT I, HE DOUBTS WE CAN GET, WE CAN GET LANDMARK DESIGNATION, UH, DUE TO ALL THE ALTERATIONS ON THE BUILDING, UM, BUT THINKS THAT, UH, HIS BOSSES AND THE COMPANY AS A WHOLE, UH, WOULD BE OPEN TO, UH, SOME SORT OF HISTORIC RECOGNITION. GOT IT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , DID HE INDICATE, UH, WHY THE WATER COMPANY BOUGHT THAT BUILDING? UH, NO, HE DID NOT INDICATE THAT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO USE IT FOR THEIR OFFICES. AH, OKAY. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, ANYTHING DEEPER IN YOUR QUESTION THERE, BUT, UM, UH, IT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S THEIR INTENT TO USE IT FOR OFFICES. THERE'S A WELL ON THE SITE, IS THERE NOT? THERE IS, YES. YEAH. UM, CHAIR, UM, QUESTION FOR YOU, I GUESS, UM, IN LOOKING THROUGH THE HISTORIC PROPERTY, UM, SURVEY, RIGHT, UM, THERE SEEMED TO BE TWO, UM, UH, TWO RESOURCES, SO TO SPEAK MM-HMM. LISTED MM-HMM. , UH, ONE IS FOR THE DANCE HALL, AND ONE IS FOR THE, UH, RESTAURANT. MM-HMM. . UM, CAN YOU, UM, SPEAK TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO, WHY THEY'RE SEPARATED OUT? UH, YOU MENTIONED THE BACKEND EARLIER, THAT'S WHY I DIRECT THIS AT YOU. YEAH. WELL ACTUALLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT BUILDING, BUT, UM, THE RESTAURANT AND THE DANCE HALL SORT OF ARE CONNECT, INTERCONNECTED. THE DANCE HALL IS IN, ACTUALLY IN THE BACK OF THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. UM, AND YOU KNOW, FROM MY MEMORY, UM, I CANNOT REMEMBER. I THINK IT GOES, I THINK THE, THE, THE DANCE HALL GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE FRONT END AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WHEN, FOR SO MANY YEARS, WELL, THE, IT WAS CALLED THE RAINBOWS INN IS WHAT IT WAS, AND THE FRONT END WAS THE RESTAURANT, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE EIGHTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES, AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, MY RECOGNITION IS OF IT. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, IF WE, IF WE'RE ONLY LOOKING ACTUALLY AT RECOGNITION, IT'S NOT AS CRITICAL OF, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO LOOK AT WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SECTION OF IT IS. IT IS, IT'S MORE JUST TO SAY THAT THIS WAS A HISTORIC PLACE. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY WITH A MAX, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS, BECAUSE THEY TOO HAVE BEEN CHANGED WAY TOO RADICALLY FOR US TO LOOK AT IT AS A, AS A LANDMARK. BUT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THAT WE, THAT, AND, AND, AND JACK WAS SO INSTRUMENTAL IN COMING UP WITH A RECOGNITION PROGRAM SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT WE RECOGNIZE THESE PLACES AS BEING IMPORTANT TO SEDONA, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY CONSIDER THEM LANDMARKS. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S, UM, BOTH, BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS FELL INTO THAT. NOW, I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, AND THIS IS FOR YOU, STEVE, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DISCUSSED DOING THE, DOING A SUCCESSION OF, OF WHAT WE WERE GONNA RECOGNIZE WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW WITH THAT. THAT WAS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, I THINK THAT CAME UP WITH IT. BUT I MAY BE WRONG, THAT WE WERE THINKING OF SORT OF LINKING THEM, UM, IN UPTOWN SEDONA FIRST AND THEN COMING OUT HERE. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN'T DO THE OTHER, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IS IF WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING MONEY ON SOMETHING TO DO THIS, THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHERS, AND, AND WHAT, WHAT ORDER IN WHICH WE ACTUALLY PICK THESE THINGS UP AND PUT THEM ON OUR PLATE. I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION HAS A COMMENT ON THAT. WELL, THE FORMER OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY HAS ASKED US TO LANDMARK IT BEFORE. I KNOW. AND, AND I, WHEN I TALKED WITH HIM, I SAID, IT WOULD NOT QUALIFY AS A LANDMARK. AND I SAID, AND THEN I GAVE HIM ONE OF THE SHEETS MM-HMM. THAT HAD THE CRITERIA FOR THE HISTORIC RESOURCE MM-HMM. , AND HE WAS INTERESTED IN THAT THEN FINALLY MM-HMM. SO, AND REALIZED THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MANY HURDLES TO JUMP TO GET IT RIGHT. BUT THE THING THAT I THINK THAT CONCERNS ME MORE THAN ANYTHING IS THE DIRECTION THAT THE STATE IS GOING IS ALL ABOUT STORYTELLING. A LOT OF IT'S ABOUT STORYTELLING, AND THIS IS THE PERFECT PROPERTY FOR THAT. MM-HMM. , UH, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN HAUNTED . OH, DON'T TELL, DON'T TELL [00:15:01] THE WATER COMPANY THAT. BUT THEY, THEY HAVE STORIES ABOUT THE HAUNTINGS IN THAT ONE AREA OF THE RESTAURANT. REALLY? YEAH. YES. BUT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, AND I'M, I'M SORT OF IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU ACTUALLY, JACK, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF US ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING THAT HAS A, A REAL STORY. BECAUSE I THINK SOME, A LOT, A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS UPTOWN HAVE A REAL STORY TOO. AND CERTAINLY THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ARTIST'S HOME IN, UM, UP ER ROAD HAS A STORY TOO. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING, AND I KNOW STEVE WOULD PROBABLY LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE OTHER STEVE , STEVE SANGER WOULD LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BECAUSE HE WANTS THE, THE DRAW UP UPTOWN TO BE, YOU KNOW, UH, PULLED THROUGH THERE. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . BUT I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO NECESSARILY DO THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WHEN WE DO THE, THE, THE ONLY QUESTION IS IF WE DO A REGI, UH, UH, IF WE ACTUALLY DO A RECOGNITION OF SOMETHING, DO WE DO A PARTY? AND, AND THEN ARE WE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THE MONIES FROM THE CITY TO ACTUALLY DO THE PARTY? OR ARE WE JUST ASKING FOR A PLAQUE AND LATER TO DO IT? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOTTA PUT ON OUR PLATE AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. IS THAT, AM I RIGHT IN THAT DONNA NOIZE? IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S AGENDIZED JUST ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR WELL, IT IS IN A WAY, AGENDIZED ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. UM, SO, AND, AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAVE, UH, JUST A, A BEGINNING DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. AM I MAKING IT TOO HARD? THAT STRIKES ME AS BEING A LITTLE OFF TOPIC FOR THIS AGENDA. YEAH. YOU COULD DISCUSS IT IN TERMS OF YOUR THOUGHTS REGARDING THAT SPECIFIC PROPERTY, BUT, BUT WE CAN'T GO BEYOND THAT. HAVING A GENERAL DISCUSSION ON HOW YOU WANNA LAY OUT THE STEPS OF, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST YOU HAD, UM, LIKE A GET TOGETHER FOR ALL LANDMARKS, RIGHT. AND WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE A GET TOGETHER FOR ALL RECOGNIZED PROPERTY OWNERS AT, AT ONE GATHERING VERSUS DOING THEM SEPARATELY AND THAT TYPE OF THING. I WOULD DISCUSS AT A DIFFERENT TIME. AT A DIFFERENT TIME. WELL, I THINK, I THINK MAYBE, UM, MAYBE, UH, BOB, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, BECAUSE I THINK, UM, AND, AND WELL, YEAH, UM, EVERYBODY HERE, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER IDEA ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING WITH THIS? WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM SHOULD BE AN INTERPRETIVE TYPE OF THING. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE TRYING TO TEACH SOMEBODY ABOUT THE, THE, THE BUILDING, THE STRUCTURE. SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO IS POSTPONE THIS FOR ANOTHER MEETING, AND WE GET A CLARIFICATION EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING WITH THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM. MM-HMM. , BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED, UH, BY PRIOR GROUPS AND SPECIFICALLY THE, LIKE WAYSIDE CHAPEL AND SUCH, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO STANDARD YET. AND I THINK WE NEED TO SET A STANDARD. AND SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING IT'S PROBABLY FOR WHOLE BUSINESS, BUT I MEAN, FOR, UH, THE NEXT AGENDA. BUT, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST WE AGENDIZE THIS TO DISCUSS THE PURPOSE OF THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM. OKAY. WELL, AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WHERE IS IT IN THE CITY, IN THE CITY DOCUMENTS, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DID COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS THEN ACTUALLY, UM, EMBEDDED IN, IN CITY DOCUMENTS. IT WAS CODIFIED. IT WAS CODIFIED. AND, AND RIGHT NOW I'M NOT SEEING IT THERE. YEAH. UM, AND SO, UM, IT NEEDS TO COME BACK UP SO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU AS NEW MEMBERS CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE JACK DID A BRILLIANT JOB OF ACTUALLY CODIFYING, GET, SETTING UP SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CODIFIED IN, IN THE CITY DOCUMENTS. AND THAT I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT AS WE'RE DOING THIS. SO I THINK POSTPONING IT PROBABLY IS A GOOD IDEA. UM, GO AHEAD. DONNA PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BRING THIS UP, BUT , UHOH IN MY OPINION, BEFORE YOU START FOCUSING ON A LOT OF OTHER PROPERTIES YEAH. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DECIDED ABOUT THE COWBOY CLUB THAT HAS BEEN DRAGGED OUT. I AGREE. FOR TWO YEARS OR MORE. I AGREE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS ON THAT, BUT IT, IT'S BECOMING EMBARRASSING IF YOU START DEALING WITH OTHER PROPERTIES AND YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THAT ONE. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE TOO. I, I THINK THAT GOES FOR A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN TOWN. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T [00:20:01] KNOW WHEN THE LAST, UH, SURVEY WAS, UM, COMPLETED, BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S A LOT OF MID-CENTURY, UH, MODERN ARCHITECTURE THAT'S, THAT'S STARTING TO COME UP FOR, FOR RECOGNITION. AND, AND I, I THINK, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE OUGHT TO GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW AND IT, UH, AS A COMMISSION, AND I DON'T THINK THIS HAS TO BE CODIFIED. I THINK IT CAN BE A GROUP DECISION, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, ANSWERING THE QUESTION, HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THE WORK, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO MOVING FORWARD? AND, AND TO THAT END, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING, I BROUGHT UP THESE TWO PROPERTIES SPECIFICALLY. UM, AND, AND WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, APOLOGIES, JACK, WITHOUT KNOWING THE, UH, THE HISTORY THAT, UM, THE RAINBOWS ENDED COME UP BEFORE MM-HMM. , RIGHT. UM, AND, AND, AND ALL THAT. SO, UM, I WOULD JUST SAY TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON RAINBOWS, AND FOR ME, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING THERE. UH, IT'S, IT'S A VITALLY IMPORTANT, UM, PIECE OF HISTORY, UM, TO SEDONA. UH, JACK TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH WHEN HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF STORYTELLING IN ALL, IN ALL OF THIS. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE IMPACT, UH, FOR A WIDER AUDIENCE, UH, REALLY GETS, GETS FELT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A CERTAIN GROUP OF, OF, UH, I'LL, I'LL USE THIS TERM 'CAUSE I AM ONE HISTORY NERDS, UM, UH, ARCHITECTURE GEEKS, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER WHO ARE, WHO ARE AT THE VERY CORE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, INTERESTED IN IT, IN, IN THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT, UH, FOR A WIDER AUDIENCE, I THINK, UH, THE STORY IS, IS WHAT'S COMPELLING AND WHAT WOULD ATTRACT THEM AND, AND INTEREST A WIDER AUDIENCE TOO. SO. WELL, AND I JUST WANNA BRING SOMETHING UP THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK BOB AND AND JACK ARE AWARE OF, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE COWBOY CLUB NOW FOR FOUR YEARS. YEARS, YES. FOUR YEARS. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT DONNA WAS SAYING. MAYBE WE, WE NEED TO REALLY ADDRESS THAT FIRST, OR AT LEAST AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM. WE'VE TRIED TO, AND, AND BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS COVID HIT, AND WE WERE SORT OF DRIVE DRIVEN BACK FROM THAT, AND WE'VE TRIED SINCE THEN TO, UM, UH, DO SOMETHING WITH IT. BUT I THINK DONNA HAS A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSING THAT TOO. BUT I, I, I, I'M IN, I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT THAT THE RELICS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT FOR THIS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I, I ALSO THINK THE TREASURE ART GALLERY NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT'S, UM, THE ARTIST'S WIFE WHO NOW OWNS IT. I'M NOT SURE IF SHE'S STILL WITH US. UM, IS SHE, SHE'S, NO, SHE'S OKAY. SO IT'S PROBABLY HIS, HER KIDS, THEIR KIDS. MM-HMM. YEAH. OR SOMETHING. THE ESTATE. YEAH. IT MUST BE THE ESTATE. 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY WERE FRIENDS OF MY PARENTS AND ALL, AND THEN WELL, AND LIKE RUTH WADEL JUST PASSED AWAY LAST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. AND WE'VE LOST BOTH MY PARENTS AND WE'VE LOST, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF THE ARTISTS IN THE AREA. BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THAT. SO IT'S, IT WOULD BE, I THINK THE FIRST STEP IN THAT ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE FINDING OUT IF ANYBODY THERE IS INTERESTED IN IT, IS THAT SOMETHING STAFF CAN DO IS, IS TRACK DOWN PROPERTY OWNERSHIP OR, YEAH, WE CAN WORK ON THAT. OKAY. JUST SO THAT WE KNOW, BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT AT ALL INTERESTED, THEN NO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BAFF. YEAH. AND I THINK TO, TO MY PREVIOUS POINT ABOUT, UM, PRIORITIZATION, I, I BROUGHT BOTH OF THESE UP, UM, BECAUSE IN MY MIND THEY, THEY WILL NEAR THE TOP OF THE LIST, UH, AS POTENTIALLY ENDANGERED PROPERTIES. MM-HMM. , UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT NOT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN CASE ANYONE FROM ARIZONA WATER HAS EVER CHECKS BACK ON THESE RECORDS, I'M NOT CASTING ASPERSIONS ON THEM. I JUST MEAN THERE IS A CHANGE OF PROPERTY OWNER. UH, AND SO IT'S TIME TO REASSESS. UH, AND, AND WITH THE TREASURE ART GALLERY, YOU KNOW, I DRIVE BY IT, UH, PRETTY FREQUENTLY. MM-HMM. , UH, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OVERGROWN. AND EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY, I THINK, OH, GEEZ, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID THEY, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? DID WE NOT? UM, WE THIS, WELL, AND THIS IS GONNA BE PROBABLY DONNA'S THE ONLY ONE IN THE ROOM THAT'S GONNA KNOW THIS , BUT WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THEM ABOUT LANDMARKING IT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. AND IN FACT, IT WAS WHEN I WAS FIRST ON THE COMMISSION, WHICH IS NOW OVER 20 YEARS AGO, I THINK. UM, AND WE, WE HAD TALKED TO ABOUT ACTUAL LANDMARKING IT, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE GUY THAT WAS ACTUALLY WANTED TO SPEARHEAD THAT WAS ONE OF THE GUYS THAT WAS ON THE HISTORIC, UH, IT WAS, WAS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF THE, HIS HISTORY, UM, HISTORICAL SOCIETY. UM, AND HE WAS ALSO ON OUR COMMISSION, CAN'T REMEMBER. AND HE WAS THE GUY THAT ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE, WAS SO INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE, THE TELEGRAPH HOUSE, SAME GUY. AND HE WANTED TO DO THAT. AND I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT WE RAN INTO A BARRIER WITH IT. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHY. I MEAN, I WAS NOT CHAIR AT THE TIME, BUT I KNOW THAT [00:25:01] WE RAN INTO A BARRIER WITH IT FOR SOME REASON. WOULD THAT BE THE MINUTES WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BACK? GOD, SO FAR BACK, IF WE GO BACK THAT FAR? YEAH. I CAN LOOK AT MY, WELL, I'VE GOT PROBABLY ALL OF THE AGENDAS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS. I CAN TAKE A LOOK, SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT, YEAH, JUST THAT WOULD BE, WOULD IT BE RON MOSSON? YEAH, IT WAS RON. IS HE, IS HE STILL AROUND OR IS YEAH, RON MOSSON. WAS RON MOSSON. YEAH, IT'S RON. YEAH. YEAH. HE'S HAD SOME HEALTH ISSUES RECENTLY, BUT HE'S STILL AROUND. OH, YOU COULD TALK TO HIM. I MEAN, HE WAS, HE WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP AND HE WAS THE ONE THAT WENT OUT AND TALKED TO THEM AND EVERYTHING. SO YOU MIGHT TALK TO 'EM ABOUT IT. THAT MIGHT BE A, SEE, I'M TOO, I'M TOO OLD. , I'VE BEEN AROUND TOO LONG. YOU NEED TO GET RID OF ME. . UM, IN TERMS OF GETTING BACK TO THE HISTORIC RESOURCES RECOGNITION PROGRAM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE OR TRIED TO DO IN THE PAST IS TO, UM, BRING A CELEBRATION FORWARD IN MAY. RIGHT. WHICH IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. MM-HMM. , AND TRY AND COORDINATE ALL OF THAT MM-HMM. . AND, UM, SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF OUR TIMELINE RIGHT. AS WE GO AS WELL. AND, UM, AND THE, THE STATUS OF THE PLAQUE FOR THE, OH, THE COWBOY CLUB SHOULD BE A, A WARNING FOR US IN TERMS OF CAUTION BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET WHATEVER THE PLAQUE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE OUT THERE FAR ENOUGH SO THAT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT, WE WILL HAVE IT TO PRESENT. YEAH. SO, AND ACTUALLY, WHAT, WHAT WHAT JACK IS SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAD WAS WHAT THEY WANTED ON THE PLAQUE, WHAT WE WERE GONNA BE PUTTING ON THE PLAQUE, HOW IT WAS GONNA ACTUALLY BE PRESENTED, UM, AND HOW IT WAS GONNA ACTUALLY FIT INTO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. 'CAUSE WE, IT HAD TO BE PLACED SOMEWHERE. AND SO THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT. THIS, THIS WAS, WAS BOB'S, I KNOW BOB'S BOB. BOB DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK ON THAT. I KNOW. UM, SO, AND, AND WE WERE, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT HAD BEEN MADE, BUT I GUESS I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE CITY IS THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE IT. AS I RECALL. WE GOT THE POINT WHERE CHASE, IS THAT HIS NAME? CHANCE CHASE. CHASE. CHASE, YEAH. UM, HAD WRITTEN INFORMATION HE WANTED ON THE PLAQUE, BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN HUMONGOUS TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THERE. . YEAH. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SIZED DOWN, AND I DON'T THINK THAT EVER HAPPENED. MAYBE IT NEVER HAPPENED. SO THE PLAQUE WAS NOT ORDERED. BUT THERE WAS ALSO MENTION FROM JANINE, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PLAQUE ON THE BUILDING NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS LOOKED TO SEE WHAT THAT IS OR NOT, BUT I NEVER SAW, SHE HAD INDICATED THERE WAS SOME PLAQUE ALREADY THERE. SO BOB, YOU DON'T THINK THAT HAS HAPPENED? I DON'T THINK THERE'S THE ONE THERE. UH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE AND I SENT IN ALL THE MEASUREMENTS, RIGHT. FOR THE PLAQUE AND FOR THIS, WHERE IT WOULD GO ON THE BUILDING. YEAH. SO THE CITY HAS THAT INFORMATION AND THE PLAQUE THAT I HAD COME UP WITH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, VERBIAGE ON IT I HAD LAID OUT, AND IT COULD BE PUT ON THERE, AND THERE WAS A PLACE WHERE IT WOULD FIT. SO IT'S, IT, CYNTHIA HAS, HAS ALL THAT IN FRONT. SO IT'S BASICALLY, I SAID, HIT A LIMBO A POINT, I THINK. YEAH. UM, I THINK WE WERE, THE OTHER PROBLEM WAS WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A TIME WHERE THEY COULD ACTUALLY, WHERE THEY WERE GONNA BE COMFORTABLE WITH US DOING AN EVENT THERE. AND THAT WAS, THAT GOT A LITTLE COMPLICATED TOO. THESE, THESE GUYS WERE DOING THAT . BUT BOB COULD YOU, YEARS AGO, COULD YOU SEND YOUR FINAL VERSION OF THE PLAQUE TO US AGAIN TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE FINAL 'CAUSE THE LAST ONE I SAW WAS STILL VERY WORDY. I HOPE I STILL HAVE IT. . I MAY NOT EVEN HAVE IT. UH, OH. I'LL, I'LL CHECK THE SOCIETY RECORD. SEE IF JANINE KEPT A COPY OR ANYTHING. YEAH. NO, I DON'T THINK SHE WOULD'VE THINK WOULD'VE HAD, SHE WOULDN'T HAVE, BECAUSE SHE WASN'T ON THE COMMISSION THEN. AND WE HAD YEAH. AND WE HAD THESE TWO GUYS ACTUALLY DID A GREAT JOB PUTTING STUFF TOGETHER. IT WAS JUST THE EAGLE GUYS WERE STRUGGLING WITH GETTING THE HOMEOWNER, THE OWNERS, TO ACTUALLY FIGURE A TIME WHERE WE COULD DO AN EVENT. THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT, WHAT HELD US UP AT THAT POINT. THAT WAS, THAT WAS ANOTHER PROBLEM. BUT THE, UM, THE ABILITY FOR US TO INCLUDE EVERY SINGLE MOVIE STAR THAT EVER WENT INTO THAT TARN YEAH. . YEAH. I KNOW. THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED. THAT WAS, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT. YEAH. LUCK. SO A LITTLE BIT OF A HEADACHE, . WELL, AND INITIALLY, AS I RECALL, HE WAS ASKING ABOUT IT BEING ON THE INSIDE OF THE RESTAURANT. RIGHT. AND THEY SHOULD BE ON THE STREET SO THAT THE PUBLIC PASSING BY CAN SEE IT, CAN SEE IT [00:30:01] NOT JUST THE CUSTOMERS FOR THEIR BUSINESS, BUT I THINK WE CONVINCED HIM THAT, THAT IT COULD GO ON THE OUTSIDE AND HE AGREED AT LEAST CHASE, WHETHER TOM DID, I DON'T KNOW. BUT BECAUSE THERE, TWO OF THEM, SORRY, THERE'S, THERE'S ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL WHO'S INVOLVED TOO. SO I DON'T KNOW. UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH. WELL, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE SORT OF OFF SUBJECT AND I, BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO BRING BACK UP. AND MAYBE IF, IF, UH, DONNA, YOU CAN LOOK FOR THAT AND, AND BOB, IF YOU CAN LOOK FOR THAT, THEN WE CAN START DECIDING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, RAINBOWS AND, AND THAT AT THE SAME TIME. OR WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A, A SEQUENCE, A SE, SOME KIND OF A SEQUENCE. WAS THAT THE COWBOY CLUB, IS THAT A, A LANDMARK DESIGNATION, OR WAS IT GONNA BE A RECOGNITION? IT CAN'T BE LANDMARKED. IT'S BEEN CHANGED TOO MUCH. IT HAS TO BE RECOGNITION. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS A CHAIN OF RE AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT RAINBOWS INN AND, AND ALSO PROBABLY THE TREASURE ART GALLERY, BECAUSE WE WERE STARTING OUT WITH THE ART BARN, THEN WE WERE GONNA GO TO THE COWBOY CLUB. WE WERE GONNA DO THE CHURCH TOO. WERE WE NOT, IS IT, WASN'T THAT ONE OF THE ONES WE WERE GONNA DO UPTOWN? UM, AND I KNOW RALEIGH'S, WE WERE, RALEIGH'S WAS ONE IN THAT. AND ACTUALLY, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UM, WENDY JUST BOUGHT RALEIGH'S. SO, AND SHE WANTS TO KEEP IT LOOKING LIKE IT ALWAYS HAS. SO THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WE MIGHT, THAT ONE ACTUALLY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE LANDMARKED. MM-HMM. , I'M NOT SURE. WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY, BUT, UM, THAT ONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AS A, AS A PATH, AND THAT'S WHY THE RAINBOWS END SORT OF CAME, FELL OUT OF THAT PATH. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT PATH. I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS MAINLY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT PATH AND THEN THEY GOT TO THE, TO THE PLAQUES THAT GO DOWN TO AKAKA SO THAT WE HAD A PATTERN IN UPTOWN. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE WANT TO ACTUALLY SPREAD THIS OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE TO THOSE BUSINESSES AND HOMES THAT ARE IN O YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS PART OF THE TOWN TOO. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'M, I GUESS WHAT WE'LL DO, UM, JUST TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS, I THINK I ACTUALLY, UM, LOOKING AT THE COWBOY CLUB AND THEN ALSO GETTING SOME INFORMATION AND MAKING SURE WE KNOW WHAT THE RECOGNITION, UM, RESOURCES FROM THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE, WHERE IT IS IS, IS WHERE WE HAVE IT LODGED SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT THE, WHERE, WHERE IT'S CODIFIED AND MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT IT IN THE PROPER FASHION. I THINK, UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO GOING FORWARD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANNA FORGET THE COWBOY CLUB, BUT I DON'T, I ALSO THINK THAT HAVING THE RELICS AND, AND IF WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE TREASURE ART GALLERY, BECAUSE IT IS, IT WOULD BE NICE TO, UH, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE ARTS IN, IN, IN, IN SEDONA, AND, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME. DO YOU, WHAT IS STEVEN JE HARRIS JEHA? UM, HE WAS, HE WAS SORT OF, SORT OF PART OF THE ART SCENE IN THIS, THIS AREA, SO LONG AS WERE THE WADDLES AND MY PARENTS. BUT HE ACTUALLY HAD A GALLERY HERE. THE, UM, THE WADDLES OF COURSE WERE IN, UM, MY PARENTS WERE IN COTTONWOOD FOR SO LONG, AND THE WADDELL'S WERE IN, IN PAGE SPRINGS. BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE ONE, THE ONE ACTUAL GALLERY THAT WAS OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE ARTIST WAS THAT GALLERY. AND IF WE WANT TO SORT OF POINT TO OURSELVES AS BEING SOMEONE WHO RECOGNIZES THE ARTS, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN WORTHWHILE TO THINK ABOUT AGREE THAT, SO I AGREE NOW. OKAY. STEVE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE AS A QUESTION? YOU'RE SITTING THERE VERY PATIENTLY. I DIDN'T THINK YOU WOULD NOTICE. UM, ACTUALLY MY MIND WAS ON, UM, THERE, WE'VE MENTIONED A LOT OF THINGS HERE. YEAH. SOME, UH, ARE RELATED TO LANDMARKING, SOME RELATED TO RECOGNITION, RESOURCE RECOGNITION. I WOULD JUST, UM, ALSO WANT TO KEEP IN MIND, UM, IF WE WERE GOING TO SURVEY PROPERTIES FOR LANDMARKING, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, IT, IT'S COMMENSURATE WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE. RIGHT. WHEN THE BUDGET WAS MADE, UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE WAS ENOUGH MONEY PUT IN FOR SURVEYING OF TWO PROPERTIES. RIGHT. SO I, I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT CAN HELP IN THE DECISION PROCESS PROCESS AS WELL. YEAH. GO AHEAD. FOR WHAT FISCAL YEAR? I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY EXACT . YEAH, IT'S FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. FISCAL [00:35:01] YEAR, CORRECT. FISCAL YEAR 24, WHICH ENDS, UH, JUNE 30TH. JUNE 30TH OF NEXT YEAR. MM-HMM. . YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. AND, AND SO THE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE AK AND AND KIVA HOUSE FELL IN FISCAL YEAR 23. THAT'S NOT, NO, THEY'RE IN 24. THEY'RE IN 24 4. SO WE, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY BUDGET FOR THIS, FOR ANY OTHERS. YOU, YOU HAVE, RIGHT. IF YOU WERE GOING TO SURVEY THOSE PROPERTIES, UM, THEN, UH, THE MONIES IN THE BUDGET, UH, EQUATE TO ENOUGH FOR THOSE TWO SURVEYS. AND, AND ACTUALLY QUITE FRANKLY, OVER ALL THESE YEARS, WE'VE ONLY DONE MAYBE TWO A YEAR, UM, MAYBE JUST ONE A YEAR. AND MAYBE IN SOME YEARS, NONE. WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE WERE DIFFICULTIES OR WHEN THE, THE, THE FINANCES OF THE CITY WERE, UM, DIFFICULT, WE WOULDN'T GET DIFFICULT TIMES. SO WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE MORE THAN TWO A YEAR. NO. IN FACT, UM, THERE HASN'T BEEN A LANDMARKING IN, IN 10 YEARS PRIOR TO THIS YEAR. THIS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT YEAH. RIGHT NOW. YEAH. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY IT, YOU KNOW, KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW NOW AND, AND HOW AGGRESSIVE, UH, THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO BE, UM, NEXT YEAR, WE CAN LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY RAISING THAT. BUT, UH, WHEN THE BUDGET WAS MADE FOR THIS YEAR, IT WAS BASED UPON NOT KNOWING, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. NOT KNOWING HOW MANY PROPERTIES WERE GONNA BE LOOKED AT, AND, UH, KNOWING THE HISTORY OF, UH, NOT HAVING ANY LANDMARK FOR SO LONG. YEAH. AND, AND I, I, YEAH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR IN, IN DECEMBER, AND THEN IN JANUARY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TWO LANDMARKS AND THEN POSSIBLY, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY DOING THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM IN A, IN A, IN AN EVENT IN MAY. THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT WERE ON OUR BUDGET FOR THIS 24. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. AND YEAH. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, IT DOES. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. YEAH. YEAH. UM, HOW MUCH, UH, DOES IT COST TO DO A SURVEY OR AS, THAT'S A HARD ONE. AS A, IF IT'S EASIER TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN THE BUDGET? ONE MOMENT, . NOW THE, THE ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES I THINK WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, DURING A SURVEY, SINCE WE HAVEN'T DONE ONE FOR 10 YEARS, WE MAY BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT NUMBER. I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ONE, OR WE'VE HAD A, UH, BID ON ONE FOR THOSE 10 YEARS. SO I'M GUESSING THAT WHATEVER BUDGET THAT WE WOULD PUT IN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MORE THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. I, I WOULD THINK SO. AND, UH, THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, I ONLY KNOW OF ONE PERSON THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED RIGHT. THAT DOES THOSE SURVEYS. AND I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT PERSON IS STILL IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING THE SURVEYS. SURVEYS. AND SO IF WE WOULD HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE, WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE AS WELL. YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW SHE, SHE MAY BE AT THE, AT THE EVENT IN, UM, IN OCTOBER, BUT I DIDN'T SEE HER AT THE LAST ONE, SO I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, SHE WORKS IN PRESCOTT, SO NANCY, YEAH. NANCY BURGESS. SO, UM, IF SHE WORKS, IF SHE'S WORKING IN, IN, IN, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S WORKING STILL IN PRESCOTT. I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHAT HER STATUS IS. I DO KNOW THAT SHE, UM, UH, IN THE FALL COMPLETED THE NATIONAL REGISTER APPLICATION FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO GET THE SHOREMAN HOMESTEAD. OKAY. SO THEN SHE'S PROBABLY STILL, PROBABLY, SHE'S PROBABLY STILL AVAILABLE, BUT I WOULD BET THAT, UM, HER, HER PRICE HAS PROBABLY GONE UP BECAUSE OF THE COST OF LIVING HAS GONE UP IN THOSE 10 YEARS. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT SHE WOULD'VE KEPT IT. SO THIS, THIS, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, THERE'S $500 BUDGETED FOR RECOGNITION PLAQUES AND NAME PLATES. AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE PRICES WE HAD PAID BEFORE, WHICH IS 10 YEARS OLD. MM-HMM. . SO YOU MAY ONLY HAVE ENOUGH FOR ONE PLAQUE. I WAS GONNA SAY, SO THAT THAT ENTIRE BUDGET TECHNICALLY WOULD BE FOR SURVEY AND PLAQUE. NO. NOW WHAT ABOUT FOR THE SURVEY THAT WAS FOR THE PLAQUE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? THERE WAS, THERE WAS A BUDGET FOR THE, FOR TWO LANDMARKS. I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'D ASKED FOR, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER ON THAT WAS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD A SOLID NUMBER. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE COST. YOU KNOW, JUST THE LAST TIME I DID A A PLAQUE LIKE THIS WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS DEFINITELY IN THAT RANGE. YEAH. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAD, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND I THINK STEVE, YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT, BUT I THINK IT WAS FOR TWO LANDMARKS. THAT'S WHAT WE'D ASKED FOR. ENOUGH BUDGET FOR THE, AND AGAIN, WE MAY HAVE PULLED BACK AND LOOKED AT ONLY 10 YEARS AGO WHAT IT, WHAT IT COST TO DO THE LANDMARKS. I I WAS IT, NOW WE'VE GOT 200 ON PRINTING FOR THE [00:40:01] SURVEY AS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM. BUT THE LAST LAST TIME THAT WAS DONE OUTSIDE PRINTERS WAS 2014. I THINK WE PRINTED THE LATER ONES IN HOUSE. YOU DID? IN HOUSE, YEAH. SO THERE ARE OTHER LINE ITEMS WHERE IF YOU DON'T LIKE FOR CONFERENCE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE EVERYONE TO GO INTO THE CONFERENCE AND SPEND ALL THAT, WE CAN USE IT WITH OTHER LINE ITEMS. BUT THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU SEE BASIC FIGURES FOR THOSE ACCOUNTS. BECAUSE IN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK 10 YEARS, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE HISTORY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WANTING TO DO NOW. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO, SO DO WE HAVE THE TOTAL BUDGET NUMBER? I WOULD HAVE TO WORK IT UP BECAUSE IT'S BLENDED IN WITH PLANNING. OKAY. PLANNING AND ZONING AND ALL THAT. COULD, COULD, UH, WE ASK STAFF JUST TO, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT COULD YOU CIRCULATE THE, THE H P C BUDGET? YES. . YEAH, IF YOU COULD, BECAUSE YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER ACTUALLY GOT THE FINAL ONE. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING IT, WE WENT OVER IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT WAS VOTED ON IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER GOT THE ACTUAL THERE WERE TABLES. YEAH, THEY HAD, THEY SHOWED TABLES OF IT. YEAH. AND THEN, AND THEN THEY, THEY, AND THE TA WITHIN THOSE TABLES WAS TWO LANDMARKS. MM-HMM. . NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH RESEARCH HAS TO BE DONE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE, LIKE AK, SO MUCH OF THAT IS ACTUALLY RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, UH, BOB CAME UP WITH A LOT OF, IT SHOWED A LOT OF IT, UM, THERE. AND I, I THINK TOO, JACK BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT JUST A MOMENT AGO. UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, BASELINE SURVEYS FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES IN HERE. LIKE THE TREASURE ART GALLERY IS IN HERE IN THE 20 14 1 AS WELL. RIGHT. WITH AN UPDATE, UH, RAINBOWS END IS IN THERE WITH AN UPDATE. SO, UM, ALTHOUGH IT WOULDN'T HAVE GENERALLY YEAH. AND, AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE LANDMARK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, THEY DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON IT. THEY DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES YOU'LL HAVE A PROPERTY THAT WE THINK HAS BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS IN THE SAME STATE IT'S BEEN IN. UM, BUT THEN IT'S CHANGED NOW EVEN THE KIVA HOUSE HAS AN AL HAD A, HAD AN ALTERATION ON IN IT THAT THEY HAD TO DO, UM, PHYSICALLY BECAUSE IT WASN'T, IT, THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT LANDMARKING, IT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO OVERLOOK THAT, OF WHICH WE'VE DONE IN A COUPLE PLACES. LIKE DOODLEBUG, THEY MADE THE DECISION TO ACTUALLY DO AN ADDITION ON THE TOP OF DOODLEBUG, UM, WHICH WAS DONE IN THE 1990S, I THINK. UM, AND WE ACTUALLY OVERLOOKED IT. I I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT WE OVERLOOKED IT BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH MORE THAT WAS INTEGRAL WITH THE BUILDING THAT YOU WERE STILL, WHEN YOU WALKED UP TO IT, WOULD FEEL THAT IT WAS THE SAME BUILDING THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS BUILT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANNA MISS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON IT. BUT I I, FOR AK I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHTFORWARD. I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT THE KIVA HOUSE. YEAH. BUT I MEAN, WHAT WE MAY NEED TO DO IS IF WE CAN GET NANCY BURGESS TO LOOK AT THEM, SHE MAY BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, I DON'T NEED TO DO THAT MUCH MORE RESEARCH WITH WHAT, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY COME UP WITH. WE CAN SEND THAT TO HER AND THEN, AND THEN PERHAPS WE CAN DRIVE THAT PRICE DOWN, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK GONNA BE CRITICAL. I, I, I DID THE LISTING ON BOTH OF THOSE. UM, AND SO IT WAS, AGAIN, IT WAS A SHORT SURVEY, BUT, UM, THE, THE CHAPEL IS, UM, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT ABOUT IT. I MEAN, , IT'S WHAT IT'S, IT'S WHAT IT IS. YEAH. AND SO THAT'S A LISTING ON THAT OR DOING THE SURVEY ON THAT. UH, THERE'S, THERE'S VERY LITTLE INVOLVED THERE. KIVA HOUSE IS A WHOLE NOTHER STORY. STORY. YEAH. AND I, I BELIEVE CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE, THE KIVA HOUSE BECAUSE OF TERMITES. YEAH. THAT WAS, YEAH. YEAH. SO, UM, I WOULD CALL THAT MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT, BUT THO THOSE ARE THE THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK TO NANCY BURGESS, WHAT WE WANNA DO IS WE WANT TO LAY OUT WHICH OF WHAT THESE TWO THINGS ARE, BECAUSE I THINK REALISTICALLY, I THINK SHE DOES IT ON TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, HER BILLING IS ON TIME. SO I THINK WHAT SHE WOULD DO IS SAY THAT PROBABLY TILAK IS NOT GOING TO BE AS EXP AS EXPENSIVE FOR [00:45:01] HER TO DO THE RESEARCH ON AS THE KIVA HOUSE. UM, BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO, IT'S BEEN IN THE PUBLIC EYE ALL THESE YEARS AND, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE SEEN MANY CHANGES IN ALL THOSE YEARS WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, ALAK. WHEREAS THE PVA HOUSE HASN'T BEEN SO THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME VARIATION IN, IN THE AMOUNTS THAT HAVE TO BE COVERED WITH THOSE. UM, AND WE'RE WAY OFF SUB SUBJECT, AREN'T WE? I THINK WE BETTER GET BACK TO WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT I'D, I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS, IS AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD, UM, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PUT ON OUR AGENDA, OUR FUTURE AGENDAS IS THE ACTUAL LOOKING AT THE RECOGNITION AWARD. UM, THE WHAT IT, WHAT, WHERE IT'S CODIFIED AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS. AND I THINK WHAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR, IF YOU GUYS COULD SEND ALL OF US THAT I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT THE DOCUMENTATION MYSELF. 'CAUSE I, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU PUT IT IN, I HAVE ALL THAT. I HAVE SO MANY, I HAVE THAT MUCH STUFF ON MY COMPUTER, UM, UH, WITH EVERYTHING. BUT I THINK FOR THE, FOR ALL OF US TO ACTUALLY REVIEW THAT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND START ACTUALLY MAKING A DECISION AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHO WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE NEXT AND HOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY TALKING TO RON MASSON ABOUT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT HE REMEMBERS WITH THE TREASURE ART GALLERY, THERE WAS A GLITCH IN THERE SOMEWHERE, I JUST KNOW, BUT I CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. UM, IT'S BEEN TOO LONG. UM, AND HE MAY NOT REMEMBER EITHER, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAYBE IS WORTH TALKING TO HIM ABOUT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT. UM, WE CERTAINLY HAVE SOME IDEA THAT THE, UM, RAINBOWS END, THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THIS. SO GOING FORWARD WE CAN PUT THAT ON A LIST TO BE LOOKING AT ALONG WITH THE, ALONG WITH THE COWBOY CLUB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MISS THAT OUT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR LOOKING AT IT. UM, BUT I THINK GOING FORWARD THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND IF WE CAN, IF YOU CAN, IF BOB, IF YOU HAVE THAT PLAQUE, GETTING IT TO SI CITY WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE, WE SORT OF HAVE OUR, OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, WANTING TO DO A RECOGNITION AND WE HAVE TO DO MORE THAN ONE PLAQUE, AND THEN WE ONLY HAVE THE MONEY IN THEM IN THERE FOR THE ONE PLAQUE, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK TO THAT TOO. I DID GET AN ESTIMATE ON THE PLAQUE THAT, UH, THAT WE ALL REVIEWED AND IT WAS ABOUT $68 IS ALL IT COST. YEAH. THE ONE THAT, 'CAUSE YOU GOT, YOU WERE GONNA DO THE ONE THE MORE CONTEMPORARY ONES, NOT THE METAL ONES. THAT'S CORRECT. UM, BECAUSE I THINK, AND I THINK WE DID THE SAME ONES WITH THE ART BARN. WE DID A MORE CONTEMPORARY ONE. WE DIDN'T DO THE REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ENGRAVE, THE, THE, UM, ENGRAVED OR, OR OR CAST THAT'S, THEY'RE USUALLY CAST ON BRONZE. IN FACT, I BRONZE I COPIED BRONZE, I COPIED THE ONE FROM THE ART BARN AND USED THE SAME FORMAT. YEAH. SO, UM, WE PROBABLY COULD DO THE TWO, BUT I THINK, I THINK IF WE HAVE ALL THOSE DUCKS IN A ROW AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, THAT THAT'LL GIVE US A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD. SO I JUST WANNA, I DON'T WANNA LOSE OUR MOMENTUM. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE SORT OF BUILT UP SOME KIND OF A, A DRIVE TO GET SOME STUFF DONE THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN YEARS. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO. STEVE. THANK YOU. AND I BELIEVE THE, UM, THE BUDGET WAS DISCUSSED AT THE FIRST MEETING OF THIS YEAR, BUT I DEFINITELY WILL LOOK THAT UP AND SEND IT OUT TO ALL OF YOU. YEAH, THAT'D BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT WE, I, I REMEMBER US GOING OVER IT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THAT THAT WAS THE FINAL BUDGET, BUT THAT PROBABLY WAS. WELL, THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 'CAUSE THEN, THEN WE'VE, WE HAVE IT AND WE HAVE, WE CAN DIGEST RIGHT? GIVE US TIME TO DIGEST EVERYTHING. UM, YES. SO IF WE CAN GET THAT, AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHERE, WHERE THE RE RESOURCE RECOGNITION AWARD IS CODIFIED, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TOO. AND WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW I HAVE IT, BUT I DON'T, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE IT. AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF BOB, YOU HAVE IT. I, WELL, I'M NOT SURE. YEAH, I, I ENDED UP TAKING IT OFF THE WEBSITE, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR. YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE, IS IT? I DON'T THINK SO. I COULDN'T FIND IT. I LOOKED FOR IT AND I COULDN'T FIND IT. SO YEAH, SO IF WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION WANTS TO CHI CHIME IN? AND WE DON'T HAVE STEVE HERE TODAY, SO IT'S GONNA TAKE US LESS TIME. , I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'D HAVE TO SAY, BUT, UM, ANYBODY HAVE NOT YOU, STEVE, THE OTHER STEVE . UM, OKAY. SO, UM, I THINK THEN WE CAN [00:50:01] PROBABLY GO ON TO FUTURE MEETING DATES. UM, AND I'VE, I THINK I'VE LOOKED AT MY, DID DOES EVERY, DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR CALENDAR OR HAVE THEY LOOKED ON THEIR CALENDAR TO SEE IF THE NINTH IS OKAY? I THINK MINE IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE. HAVE YOU DONE THAT? DO YOU WANT US TO, DO YOU WANT, UM, TO HAVE, UM, DO YOU WANNA HAVE, UM, DONNA SENT IT OUT, SOMETHING AS A REMINDER AND THEN ALL OF US RE REPLY TO IT? THAT'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE. IT'S INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY AND IT'S ALSO COLUMBUS DAY . SO ANYBODY OBJECTS TO SOMETHING ON INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DAY OR COLUMBUS DAY. ARE WE OKAY? OKAY, GOOD. WE'LL GO BACK TO HISTORY WITH INDIGENOUS. RIGHT? WE, WE, WE'LL MAKE IT. OKAY. SO, UM, SO THE FUTURE MEETING DATES, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT FINDS OUT THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT AS MONDAY, OCTOBER 9TH. AND I, GO AHEAD. I MADE A PROCEDURAL WHOOPSIE. . OKAY. UH, AND I HAVE AN UPDATE THAT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER IN 0.2. UM, CAN I, CAN I GIVE THAT UPDATE NOW? YOU WANNA GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM TOO? YES. IS THAT OKAY? I WAS THINKING THAT IT NEEDED TO BE THAT LAST ONE, BUT, UH, IS THAT OKAY? CHAIR? IT'S OKAY WITH ME IF IT, IT'S OKAY WITH DONNA. SHE'S, SHE'S THE ONE THAT HAS TO, HAS TO COLLATE ALL THESE THINGS AND WRITE IT ALL DOWN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. I'LL JUST FORGET, BUT IT'S JUST A QUICK THING. THAT'S JUST A QUICK THING. . SO I, I THINK SOME OF YOU, UH, NO, I KNOW AT LEAST BOB KNOWS ABOUT THIS. UM, BUT AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, UH, WE WERE GONNA REACH OUT TO THE OFFICIAL HISTORIAN OF THE US FOREST SERVICE. OH YES. UH, AND, AND SEE WHAT RESEARCH THEY COULD UNCOVER. UM, AND HERE'S, HERE'S THE RESPONSE IN FULL. IT'S NOT THAT LONG. UH, I REACHED OUT TO SOME FOLKS IN OUR HERITAGE AND ENGINEERING SHOPS TO INQUIRE ABOUT THAT BUILDING. BOTH GROUPS KEEP DATABASES TO MAINTAIN AND PRESERVE BUILDINGS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE DATABASES DO NOT KEEP TRACK OF BUILDING DESIGN TYPE. WE DO KNOW THAT THE GREAT BASIN RESEARCH BUILT IN 1912 USED A SIMILAR DESIGN, BUT CAN'T BE CERTAIN IF IT'S EXACTLY THE ONE D I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE TO SETTLE ON LANGUAGE THAT THE RANGER STATION IN SEDONA WAS QUOTE, ONE OF THE FIRST USES OF THE ONE D DESIGN, UNQUOTE, THAT WILL BE STILL BE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. SORRY, WE COULDN'T PINPOINT THIS FOR YOU, BUT WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE CITY HAS TAKEN SO MUCH EFFORT TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING AND PART OF YOUR HISTORY. VERY NICE. SO THAT'S WHAT, UH, CAME FROM THAT EFFORT. UM, WELL GOOD. SHARE THAT WITH THE, WITH THE COMMISSION AND, GOOD. GOOD, GOOD. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY GOOD. THANK YOU GUYS, THAT, THAT REALLY HELPS. THAT WAS BOB'S IDEA. SO YES. BOB , THANK YOU BOB . APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. THAT HELPS WITH CAN YOU EMAIL THAT TO ME PLEASE? I'LL FORWARD THAT TO YOU. YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE THAT ACTUALLY, , IT'S NOT IN MY HISTORY ANYWAY, SO WE'LL GO INTO ADJOURNMENT WITHOUT OBJECTION. WE ARE ADJOURNING AT, UH, 4 53. IS THAT RIGHT? 4 52 OF OFFICIAL HORIZON TIME. FOUR, TWO. OKAY. HORIZON TIME IS 4 52. SO, UH, WITHOUT OBJECTING, WE ARE ADJOURNING AT 4:52 PM ANYBODY OBJECT? ABSOLUTELY NOT. EVERYBODY'S KEEPING QUIET SO WE ARE ADJOURNED. SO THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UM, YEP. ARE WE GONNA. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.