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YES.[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
OKAY.I, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
IT'S, UH, 4 31 AND, UH, PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND, UM, PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART]
MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO.ALRIGHT, UM, WE WILL START WITH ITEM TWO.
THIS SOMETHING WE DO FOR THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH.
YOU HAVE SOMEBODY, ANOTHER SPECIAL GUEST FOR US.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
AS YOU SEE, THERE'S A NEW EXHIBIT IN THE ROOM AND IN THE VOLT.
THIS WENT UP LAST TUESDAY AND COMES DOWN JANUARY 3RD.
IT'S THE WORK OF AMY ERNST AND THIS WAS PLANNED A YEAR AGO, SO IT'S LONG BEEN COMING AND EXCITED TO HAVE THIS.
UM, BECAUSE AMY IS IN FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, EVERYTHING WAS QUICK.
SO WE HAD A VERY HUGE SUCCESS FOR THE RECEPTION ON THURSDAY EVENING.
AND, UM, TODAY SHE WILL BE DOING THE MOMENT OF ART AND SHE FLIES BACK TO NEW YORK TOMORROW.
AND I WANNA THANK HER ASSISTANT.
HE, UM, FLEW HERE FROM FLORIDA TO HELP PUT UP THE EXHIBIT AND HAS DONE SO MUCH WORK FOR THIS, UM, EVENT.
UM, ANYWAY, IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN PURCHASE, SEAN IS THE ONE TO SEE OR SEE ME THROUGH SEAN, AND WE CAN ARRANGE THAT.
SO I WILL READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AMY.
AMY ERNST RECEIVED A BACHELOR OF ARTS IN THEATER ARTS FROM EMERSON COLLEGE IN BOSTON, AND HER MASTER OF ARTS IN ARTS ADMINISTRATION FROM INDIANA UNIVERSITY.
SHE IS A FOURTH GENERATION ARTIST IN WHICH HISTORICAL ART, SPECIFICALLY THE MEDIEVAL RENAISSANCE AND SURREALISTIC PERIODS AND THEATER SET DESIGN BACKGROUND HAVE INSPIRED HER WORK.
AS A RESULT, SHE HAS CREATED HER OWN SIGNATURE BUILDING COLLAGE BO BOOKS, BOX CONSTRUCTIONS AND VARIOUS PRINTING TECHNIQUES USING MONOTYPE SOLAR PLATE AND STONE LITHOGRAPHY.
HER GRANDFATHER, WHICH I'M SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS.
MAX ERNST WAS THE PIONEER OF SURREALISM AND DADISM, AND HAD CAME TO SEDONA IN 1946 WITH HIS WIFE DOROTHY TANNING.
THEY BUILT A HOME NOW NAMED CAPRICORN HILL, WHICH IS OFF BREWER ROAD FOR SURREALISM.
IT STILL EXISTS AND IS AVAILABLE TO TOUR.
AMY KEEPS THE SAME CREATIVE AND SPIRITUAL ENERGIES THAT INSPIRED MAX AND TANNING ALIVE THROUGH HER CURRENT WORK.
ERNST HAS NUMEROUS EXI EXHIBITIONS IN THE US AS WELL AS MOROCCO, SPAIN, SWEDEN, AND FRANCE.
SHE'S CURRENTLY REPRESENTED BY ZHI GALLERY IN FRANKFURT, GERMANY.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, BE HERE.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO THE SEQUENCE FOR THIS, AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT TO 10
SO THIS OPENING SLIDE IS A, IS A PHOTO OF AMY IN THE STUDIO, AND THE TITLE OF THIS, UM, EXHIBITION IS ELEMENTS OF COLLAGE FROM D GALLERY IN FRANKFURT, GERMANY.
THIS PIECE IS MINDSCAPE, WHICH IS AN OIL ON CANVAS COLLAGE.
IT'S 40 BY 40 AND IT'S ENTITLED THE PLACES I HAVE NEVER BEEN EXHIBIT, WHICH WAS IN 2008 IN NEW YORK, NEW YORK IN THE FLAMING HOOF GALLERY.
DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ABOUT THAT? UM, YES.
UM, WHEN I WAS TRAVELING AND, UM, I WAS
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IN SPAIN, MY STUDIO LOOKED OUT ONTO MONTSERRAT.AND SO, UM, NOT BEING A LANDSCAPE PAINTER, UH, BUT I HAVE BEEN A PAINTER.
UM, IT'S JUST VERY HARD TO STORE ALL THE, ALL THE CANVASES.
SO, UM, I, UH, DID THESE PIECES IN NEW YORK ON THE, ON THE BASIS OF, UM, VISITING MONTSERRAT.
OKAY, THIS IS CALLED ROCK FORMATION PLACES I HAVE NEVER BEEN.
SAME EXHIBIT FROM THE FLOM HOF GALLERY IN NEW YORK, NEW YORK WITH THIS ONE, UM, WHICH IS ALSO OIL ON CANDACE.
AND I USED SAND AND COLLAGE ELEMENTS, UH, WITH THIS PIECE.
AND, AND OF COURSE, THESE ARE THE MOUNTAINS AS AS WELL IN, UM, IN SPAIN.
THIS PIECE IS ENTITLED PARIS IS CRYING.
IT'S A PHOTO MONTAGE TRANSFER AND HAND COLORED COLLAGE ON PAPER.
THIS WAS DONE IN AN EXHIBIT IN 2014 IN LAN'S, FRANCE.
UH, ANG, UM, IS, UM, UH, WHERE MY GRANDFATHER AND DOROTHY, UM, BUILT HER HOUSE AND LIVED FROM THE SIX 1960S UNTIL HIS PASSING.
AND THEN SHE MOVED TO NEW YORK, ACTUALLY NOT TOO FAR FROM ME.
AND, UM, I WENT THERE FOR MY 60TH BIRTHDAY, AND I HAD NOT BEEN TO ION SINCE I WAS ABOUT 16 YEARS OLD.
AND, UM, WAS ASKED TO EXHIBIT, UH, PARIS'S CRYING IS, UM, I LOVE PARIS.
AND SO WITH, WITH, UH, WITH ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED IN, IN THE PAST YEARS, I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY SORROW FOR ALL THE, UM, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING ALL OVER THE WORLD.
THE NEXT PIECE IS WITHIN THE ANCIENT WALLS.
IT'S A SOLAR PLATE ETCHING, AND IT WAS ALSO IN THE SAME EXHIBIT IN 2014 WHEN I WENT TO ONG.
UM, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS PHOTOGRAPH, UH, THE WHOLE VILLAGE, WHICH ORIGINALLY HAD BEEN BUILT AROUND THE NINTH OR 10TH CENTURY.
AND, UM, AND THEN INCORPORATING SOLAR PLATE ETCHING, WHICH IS A, UH, PROCESS OF PHOTO TRANSFER ONTO LIGHT SENSITIVE PLATE AND HAND COLORING.
AND SO, UM, UM, AS A RESULT, I, UM, GOT THESE PIECES.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY, UM, UH, THROUGH, UM, THE VIEWING, UM, THERE ARE ALSO A LITTLE, UM, UH, CARS THAT YOU CAN SEE.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN ANCIENT CITY, UH, YOU CAN'T REALLY DRIVE A REGULAR CAR THROUGH IT.
AND THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF
AND, UM, UM, AND IT, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO GO TO PROVENCE, UM, IN THE, IN THE FALL, IT IS REALLY EXQUISITE.
THE NEXT PIECE IS BOYER HAND COLORED SOLAR PLATE ETCHING ON PAPER FROM THE SAME EXHIBIT.
THE TITLE OF THE EXHIBIT WAS CALLED VOYEUR.
AND, UM, AND APPARENTLY I FOUND OUT THERE WERE MANY, UM, MEANINGS TO THAT WORD BECAUSE I, MY FRENCH IS SOMEWHAT, UM, OKAY.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, I DO USE A LOT WITH MY EYES WITH, UM, UM, MY PIECES.
AND SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE I'M LOOKING INTO, UM, THE PAST AND LOOKING OUT TO YOU AND WONDERING WHAT DO YOU THINK THE NEXT PIECE IS ICARUS MONOTYPE PHOTO TRANSFER COLLAGE ON PAPER.
THE EXHIBIT WAS CALLED THE THIRD EYE IN 2017, AND IT WAS VIEWED AT THE ART CENTER IN SARASOTA, FLORIDA.
I'VE LIVED IN SARASOTA, FLORIDA FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS, UM, WHERE MY, MY PARENTS LIVED AND SO ON THE SAME KEY FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS.
UM, AND SO, UM, I WAS ASKED TO DO AN EXHIBITION THERE.
AND, UM, SO I INCORPORATED, UH, PHOTO TRANSFERS AND COLLAGE ELEMENTS, AND I HAVE BEEN USING, UM, UM, UH, THE CIRCLE AS, UH, THE SIGN OF INFINITY AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW, HOW THIS PIECE CAME ABOUT.
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NEXT PIECE IS MOUNTAIN VIEW.IT'S A MONOTYPE COLLAGE DOUBLE OVERLAY FROM THE EXHIBIT WE HAVE HERE TODAY.
THESE PIECES, UM, ARE VERY SPECIFIC FOR THIS EXHIBITION.
AND, UM, AND SO THE PRINTING PROCESS AND, AND HOW I CAME ABOUT IT, UM, WAS THAT I JUST CONTINUALLY, UM, UM, DID MY MONOTYPES UNTIL AND UNTIL I COULD, UM, SEE HOW THEY WERE ALL GOING TO BE PUT TOGETHER.
AND THEN I STARTED CUTTING INTO THEM AND ALLOWING THE UNDER SURFACE TO COME THROUGH, UH, TO THE FRONT.
SO IT, UH, SOME OF THESE LARGER PIECES ARE DOUBLE PIECES THAT ARE, UM, UH, COLLAGE TOGETHER TO, UH, INCORPORATE INTO ONE.
AND THE NEXT PIECE IS A GLIMMER OF HOPE, WHICH IS IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
IT'S TWO MONOTYPES USED TOGETHER TO MAKE ONE COLLAGE.
WELL, I WAS IN A PRETTY GOOD MOOD WHEN I DID THIS PIECE
AND, UM, UM, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY CLOSE TO ONE OF THE LAST PIECES I DID.
AND A FRIEND, I JUST CELEBRATED MY 70TH BIRTHDAY, AND A FRIEND OF MINE SENT ME THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BOUQUET OF FLOWERS, AND I HAD THOSE FLOWERS ON MY MIND.
AND SO, UM, UM, AND THIS IS WHAT, UH, THIS PIECE IS ALL ABOUT.
BUT OF COURSE, UM, SOME OF MY OTHER PIECES ARE ALSO ABOUT PEACE AND HARMONY, AND THIS ONE IS FOREST BEFORE THE TREES.
IT'S A MONOTYPE COLLAGE DOUBLE OVERLAY FROM THIS EXHIBIT.
WELL, I MEAN, IT, IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE, UM, UM, MOUNTAIN VIEW.
UM, AND I ALSO WANTED TO, UM, THINK ABOUT WHAT, UH, SEDONA, UM, MEANS TO ME.
AND LOOKING AT THE ROCK FORMATIONS, IT HAD BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF, UH, SINCE I HAD BEEN HERE BEFORE.
AND SO, UM, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT MY PHOTOGRAPHS, I LOOKED INSIDE MY HEART TO, UM, CREATE, UH, SOME OF THESE, UH, PIECES THAT ARE DOUBLE, DOUBLE OVERLAYS, FEATHERWEIGHT, TWO MONOTYPES FUSED TOGETHER TO MAKE ONE COLLAGE.
THIS IS, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S A VERY STRANGE PIECE.
IT JUST CAME ABOUT ON ITS OWN, UH, BECAUSE, UH,
AND I KEPT PLACING IT ON, ON PIECES OF PAPER AND, UM, AS THEY WERE ALMOST DONE, AND I'M GOING, NO, THAT'S NOT IT.
NO, THAT'S NOT, NO, THAT'S NOT IT.
AND THEN I CAME UP WITH THIS ONE AND I GLUED IT AND I CLOSED MY STUDIO DOOR AND WALKED IN THE NEXT DAY AND GAVE IT THE TITLE SOARING INTO THE LIGHT IS TWO MONOTYPES FUSED TOGETHER TO MAKE ONE COLLAGE.
UM, THE ACTUAL COLLAGE, UM, IS, UM, THIS CUT UP PAPER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, WHEN YOU GET, UM, WHEN YOU ORDER BOTTLED, UM, LIKE OLIVE OIL AND, UM, UM, AND SO, UH, I TAKE THE WRAPPING OFF AND I SAVE IT.
AND SO, UH, I ALSO LIKE INCORPORATING, UH, NATURAL OBJECTS INTO MY WORK.
AND, UM, AND AS I WAS COLLAGING IT, I, UM, I JUST LET THE COLLAGE FORM ITSELF AND AGAIN, I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE PEACE AND HARMONY, UM, UM, INTO THE WORK SO THAT THE VIEWER CAN FEEL THAT THAT HARMONY THEMSELVES.
AND THIS IS DREAM CATCHER FROM AN EXHIBIT IN 2017 IN SARASOTA, FLORIDA.
UM, I HAD A LOT OF FUN WITH THIS PIECE BECAUSE I LIKE INCORPORATING, UM, UH, LEGS INTO INANIMATE OBJECTS AS IF THEY'RE WALKING THEMSELVES.
AND SO, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IT AS A, EXCEPT FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I WOULD SAY WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, IS THIS YOUR FAVORITE PIECE? IT'S ONE OF THEM BECAUSE IT MAKES ME HAPPY.
AND FINALLY, UM, IN THE EXHIBIT 2022, SURREALISM AND BEYOND INDEED GALLERY, FRANKFURT, GERMANY, THIS EXHIBIT FEATURED WORK BY MAX ERNST, JIMMY ERNST, UH, AMY'S DAD,
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AMY, AS WELL AS DOROTHY TANNING, LEONORA CARRINGTON AND OTHER SURREALISTS, THIS WAS MY FIRST, UH, EXHIBITION WITH D GALLERY.GO AHEAD, FINISH YOUR, WAS YOUR THOUGHT, UM, UH, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UM, ANYWAY, UH, MY FIRST EXHIBITION WITH PETER FEMUR AT D GALLERY AND, UM, UM, IT WAS REALLY WONDERFUL.
AND, UH, SINCE THEN, UM, HE'S SHOWN ME AT MAJOR EXHIBITIONS LIKE, UM, SEO, WHICH JUST FINISHED.
AND, UH, LAST YEAR IT WAS AT, UM, THE, UM, UH, ART, UH, COLOGNE AND, UH, ART BASEL.
SO, UM, I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO HIM, UH, FOR TAKING ME UNDER HIS WING.
AMY'S FLYING BACK, AS I SAID, TOMORROW TO NEW YORK, SO IT WAS FUN TO HAVE YOU HERE FOR A WEEK AND IN AND OUT
JOANNE, YOU HAVE TWO CARDS? I HAVEN'T RECEIVED DENNY YET.
MARY, YOU CAN BRING CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY.
NO, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD OR YOU COULD DO IT AFTER MARY, JUST, BUT IF YOU COULD, WANTS TO.
I'M THE CHAIR EMERITUS OF THE FINE ART MUSEUM OF SEDONA, AND GLAD TO BE HERE AGAIN AND SEE THE WONDERFUL ART ON THE WALLS.
IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE THAT YOU PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY BY DOING THIS, AND I'M GLAD THAT THIS TIME, IT'S AMY ERNST.
I MET HER IN 2018 IN MADRID, SPAIN AT THE DOROTHEA TANNING RETROSPECTIVE.
AND SHE SAID SHE HADN'T BEEN BACK TO SEDONA IN A LONG TIME.
AND I SAID, WELL, YOU MUST COME BACK AND SEE HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
SO SHE CAME BACK AND CONNECTED WITH NANCY, AND WITH THIS EXHIBITION, I REALIZED HOW MUCH WORK NANCY DOES TO PUT THESE THINGS ON.
SO I THANK NANCY VERY MUCH FOR ALL SHE DOES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AMY HAS A LONGER TIME, HE HAD A LONGER TIME HERE THIS, THIS VISIT, AND, UH, WAS ABLE TO SEE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE.
SHE'S A GREAT SUPPORTER OF THE IDEA OF A MUSEUM, AN ART MUSEUM.
SHE LIVED IN SEDONA, SO WE HAVE SO MANY ARTISTS THAT HAVE LIVED AND WORKED IN SEDONA.
SHE'S A SUPPORTER OF THE CAPRICORN HILL CENTER FOR SURREALISM PROJECT.
I WAS INTERESTED TO SEE THAT A GLIMMER OF HOPE IS IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
I HOPE THERE IS A GLIMMER OF HOPE NOW THAT WE HAVE THE CULTURAL PARK LAND THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF SEDONA, THAT WE WILL INDEED NOW HAVE A CULTURAL CENTER OF ART, DANCE, MUSIC BESIDES HOUSING.
I HOPE IT CAN ALL COME TOGETHER ON ONE SPOT, BECAUSE CERTAINLY A CITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS SHOULD SHOW THAT.
AND ALONG WITH THAT, THE TOURISM INDUSTRY IS HELPED BY THAT BECAUSE CULTURAL TOURISM STAY HERE LONGER AND ARE GOOD TOURIST.
UH, NANCY, THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER GREAT, UH, EXPERIENCE.
[3. CONSENT ITEMS]
OKAY, SO ITEM THREE CONSENT ITEMS. WE HAVE, UH, THIS IS THREE ITEMS HERE ON THE CONSENT.THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EITHER STAFF, THE PUBLIC OR THE COUNCIL TO PULL ANY ITEMS. UH, IS THERE ANYTHING, ANY INTEREST FROM THE COUNCIL? OKAY, SEEING NONE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, CONSENT ITEMS THREE, A, B, AND C.
OKAY, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FULTZ.
[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER]
WE HAVE, UH, SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY THE MAYOR, COUNSELOR, OR CITY MANAGER.I HAVE ONE ITEM, BUT I'LL GO LAST.
ANYTHING FROM THE VICE MAYOR? HE GO GET IT.
WE'RE BACK IN OUR SEASON WITH PARKS AND REC AND I WANNA CONGRATULATE A DAY IN THE WEST WHO TOOK THE CHAMPIONSHIP WITH A PERFECT 11 ZERO RECORD FOR THE SUMMER ADULT SOFTWARE SOFTBALL LEAGUE.
NOW, NOT TO BE UNDONE, THE DOGS ARE GOING TO BE HERE ON SATURDAY AT THE POSSE GROUNDS PAVILION FOR WAG FEST AND, UH, DOGGY VENDORS, DOGGY ACTIVITIES AND DOGGIES WILL BE THERE FROM NINE TO NOON.
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JUST SO YOU KNOW, OUR RENTAL CALENDARS ARE FILLING UP A LOT WITH WEDDINGS AND OTHER RENTALS AT THE PAVILION AND THE HUB.SO IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT GETTING MARRIED, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE WINTER FILLING UP AND YOU WANNA HAVE YOUR WEDDING THERE.
UH, DROP IN YOUTH FLAG FOOTBALL IS TAKING PLACE BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 25TH, AND THERE'S FREE DROP IN CLINICS ON MONDAYS AT SUNSET PARK FROM FOUR TO FIVE 30 AND WEDNESDAY AT POSSE GROUNDS FROM FOUR TO FIVE 30 GREAT FOR KIDS OF ANY AGE WITH ALL SKILL LEVELS OF FOOTBALL.
UH, A Y S O SOCCER GAMES BEGIN ON SATURDAY.
PRACTICES ARE TAKING PLACE AT THE POSSE GROUNDS MULTI-USE FIELD DURING THE WEEK, AND GAMES ARE SATURDAY IN POSSE GROUNDS PARK AND AROUND THE VERDE VALLEY.
UH, RED DIRT CONCERTS ARE TAKING PLACE EACH FRIDAY EVENING WITH A LARGER CROWD, UH, THAN WE'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE.
THERE WERE 350 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE LAST WEEK, AND THIS WEEK WE'RE HAVING THE LOCAL BAND HONEY, SO WE EXPECT TO HAVE EVEN MORE PARTICIPATION.
UH, THE SEDONA POOL IS THE HOST OF SEVERAL SWIM MEETS WITH RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL SWIM TEAM IS HOSTED AND RACE PACE SWIM CLUB HOSTED A CLUB MEET THIS LAST WEEKEND.
SWORDFISH SWIM CLUB IS HOSTING A MASTER'S SWIM MEET ON A, ON SEPTEMBER 24TH.
ANYTHING ON MY LEFT ON THE RIGHT? OKAY.
UH, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, UH, DURING THE WEEK OF AUGUST 29TH, THE COUNCIL, MANY OF US WHO COULD ATTEND WERE DOWN IN TUCSON AT A LEAGUE CONFERENCE.
AND THE FIRST DAY, FOR THE FIRST TIME FOR ME AS THE, THE NEW MAYOR, I WAS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A RESOLUTION COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WAS, UH, ONE 30.
THE FIRST THING I SORT LIKE BASICALLY DROPPED MY LUGGAGE OFF AND GOT IN.
UH, THE IMPORTANCE ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW IS THREE OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, THERE WERE MANY ITEMS DISCUSSED AND, AND APPROVED, BUT THE THREE THAT REALLY PERTAIN TO SEDONA THE MOST ALL PERTAIN TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE LEAGUE DECIDES WHAT ITEMS THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD TO PRESENT TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
HOPEFULLY THE, UH, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE WILL MOVE THEM FORWARD.
UH, AS OPPOSED TO LAST YEAR, UH, THESE WERE, UH, UH, PUT FORWARD BY SCOTTSDALE.
AND THE FIRST ONE ALLOWS MISS MUNICIPALITIES TO SET, UH, CAPS ON A TOTAL NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
THE SECOND WAS ALLOW MUNICIPALITIES TO LIMIT THE DENSITY OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SPECIFIC AREAS.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT, UH, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THE THIRD IS ALLOW MUNICIPALITIES TO ESTABLISH SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS AND, AND ENFORCE DISTANCE BETWEEN SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THREE HOUSES AND ALL THREE B UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THESE WERE ALL APPROVED BY THE RESOLUTION COMMITTEE.
I, I'M VERY HAPPY THAT IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED, ALL THREE OF THEM, AND THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE, TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, I GUESS THE NEXT SESSION.
SO IT WAS PRETTY EXCITING FOR ME TO PARTICIPATE AND, UH, IT'S A GOOD THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO MOVING FORWARD, MAYOR? MAYOR? YES.
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, LAST YEAR, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA, ALONG WITH OUR LEGISLATOR, SELENA BLISS, DR.
SELENA BLISS PROPOSED A CAP, UH, IN SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WAS PRESENTED TO THE LEGISLATURE.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH SCOTTSDALE ON ALL OF THESE INITIATIVES.
THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME ABOUT THAT.
DO WE HAVE CARDS FOR THE PUBLIC FORUM? NO, WE DO NOT.
[7.a. National Constitution Week Proclamation, September 17-23, 2023]
RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS WE HAVE WON FROM THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION WEEK PROCLAMATION, SEPTEMBER 17TH TO THE 23RD AND CALL ATE.ARE YOU HERE? FOUR? WHERE THE CONSTITUTION.
I'D CALL HER DOWN, SO I APOLOGIZE.
OKAY, I'M GONNA READ THIS HERE AND THEN WE CAN, I'LL BRING IT DOWN TO THE, TO THE PODIUM, UH, CONSTITUTION WEEK, SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH, UH, THE 23RD, 2023.
WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2023 MARKS THE 236TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE CONSTITUTION CONVENTION.
AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THIS MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT AND THE ANNIVERSARY OF ITS CREATION, AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THE PATRIOTIC
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CELEBRATIONS THAT WILL, UH, COMMEMORATE THE OCCASION.AND WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW NINE 15 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, SCOTT JALO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, TO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD, 2023, TO BE CONSTITUTION WEEK IN SEDONA, ARIZONA, AND ASK ALL CITIZENS TO REAFFIRM THE IDEALS OF FRAMERS AND CONS OF THE CONSTITUTION.
HAD IN 1787, ISSUED THIS 12TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2023.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, YOU LIKE TO SAY, WHY NOT? THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.
I HAD A FEW WORDS, BUT YOU PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WELL, I, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, SOME OF MY WORDING HERE, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR HAVING ME HERE.
AND, UH, MY ORGANIZATION IS OAK CREEK CHAPTER, NATIONAL DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A SAFEGUARD OF OUR LIBERTIES AND CHAMPION OF OUR FREEDOMS. THE PURPOSE OF OBSERVING AND CELEBRATING THE CONSTITUTION WEEK IS TO EMPHASIZE RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROTECTING AND DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION, PRESERVING IT FOR PROSPERITY, UNDERSTANDING THAT ITS SIGNIFICANCE IS OUR WAY OF LIFE.
SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.
IF I WOULD, I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SEPTEMBER 15TH TO THE 26TH, THERE WILL BE A DISPLAY IN THE, UH, COMMUNITY LIBRARY ON THE CONSTITUTION.
WHAT TIME? ANY PARTICULAR TIME DURING THE DAY? IT'S JUST OPEN.
YEAH, IT'S OPEN DISPLAY IN THE FRONT.
[8.a. AB 2992 Presentation/discussion regarding the Northern Arizona Council of Governments (NACOG) activities, including roles, responsibilities, and advocacy programs and projects on behalf of the City of Sedona and other Northern AZ communities]
REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT, A AB 29 92 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING THE NORTHERN ARIZONA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS SNAKE COG AND THEIR ACTIVITIES INCLUDING ROLES, RESPONSIBILITIES, AND ADVOCACY PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SEDONA AND OTHER NORTHERN ARIZONA COMMUNITIES.AND ALRIGHT, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF.
I SERVE AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT ACOG.
I'M BASED UP IN FLAGSTAFF, SO HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON.
APPRECIATE THE INVITATION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH COUNSEL ABOUT THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES WE OFFER.
I WILL PREFACE MY PRESENTATION BY LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF AND HE MY TIME.
SO I'M REALLY GONNA GIVE YOU KIND OF A FLYOVER OF NAAG TODAY.
WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO COME BACK AND VISIT WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND TALK IN MORE DEPTH ABOUT THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES WE OFFER.
I'M GONNA START WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT WHAT COGS ARE, IF SOME OF THE COUNCIL MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR.
BUT DATING BACK TO THE MID 1960S, MANY OF THE COGS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY WERE FORMED AS AN OUTGROWTH OF A LOT OF THE GREAT SOCIETY PROGRAMS DEVELOPED AT THE TIME, AND SOME OF THOSE WE CONTINUE TO OPERATE TODAY AT NAAG, LIKE THE HEAD START PROGRAM.
IN MANY RESPECTS, THEY'RE RECOGNIZED AS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER SERVICES ON A REGIONAL SCALE, AS WELL AS CONDUCTING REGIONAL PLANNING AND COORDINATION ACTIVITIES.
HERE IN ARIZONA, WE HAVE SIX PLANNING REGIONS WHERE THE COGS ARE BASED.
THOSE WERE DEFINED BY AN EXECUTIVE ORDER BACK IN 1971.
SOME ARE SINGLE COUNTY, SOME ARE MULTI-COUNTY, AND WE GO BY QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT NAMES.
OBVIOUSLY YOU UNDERSTAND NAAG, SOME OF THEM IN THE STATE ALSO GO AS ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS OR A GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION.
AND OF OUR, UH, MORE THAN 500 PEERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY GO BY A VARIETY OF OTHER NAMES AS WELL.
IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PORTFOLIO OF JUST THE SIX THAT ARE IN ARIZONA, WE ALL HAVE SOME SIMILARITIES IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE OFFER, BUT WE'RE ALSO INDIVIDUAL AND DISTINCT IN OUR PORTFOLIOS.
UH, NCOS IS REALLY ONE OF THE MOST DIVERSE IN THE STATE, ALONG WITH OUR PEER IN WESTERN ARIZONA.
I PUT THE FOOTNOTE AT THE BOTTOM THERE, YOU MIGHT SEE ON THE MAP MPOS.
THOSE ARE SPECIFIC TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN NCOS, FOUR COUNTIES THAT WE SERVE, THERE ARE TWO, ONE IN FLAGSTAFF, ONE IN THE GREATER PRESCOTT AREA.
THEY JUST FOCUS ON URBAN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ISSUES.
NACOG IS STRUCTURED AS A NON-PROFIT CORPORATION TECHNICALLY, BUT BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE WORK THAT WE DO AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
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THAT WE SERVE, OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS MADE UP OF 40 INDIVIDUALS AND 32 OF THOSE ARE LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS REPRESENTING THE CITY ON OUR BOARD IS COUNCILOR FOLTZ.UH, ALONG WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS ACROSS THE FOUR COUNTIES.
WE HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THE COUNTIES.
THOSE ARE TYPICALLY MEMBERS OF THE BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS.
PLUS WE HAVE EIGHT MEMBERS THAT ARE CALLED PRIVATE SECTOR REPRESENTATIVES, AND THEY ARE NAMED BY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT SERVE ON THE BOARD.
THAT WAS A CONDITION MANY YEARS AGO OF ONE OF OUR GRANTS.
AND THEY REPRESENT THE PRIMARY ECONOMIC INTERESTS IN THE REGION, WHICH IS VERY BROADLY DEFINED AND INCLUDE SMALL BUSINESS UTILITIES, EDUCATION, AND A VARIETY OF OTHER INDUSTRIES.
UH, OUR BOARD MEETS EVERY TWO MONTHS AND MEETS ON A MONTHLY BASIS WITH THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
ONE OF OUR 10 STANDING COMMITTEES, AND MUCH LIKE THE P AND Z IS TO THE CITY COUNCIL HERE.
OUR STANDING COMMITTEES ARE THE SAME TO THE REGIONAL COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE WORK GETS DONE WITH THE STAFF THAT WORK IN THESE PROGRAMS AND RECEIVE INPUT FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS, WHICH INCLUDES REGIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LOCAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
OUR CURRENT LEADERSHIP OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ARE THE THREE OFFICERS YOU SEE THERE.
AS YOU'LL NOTICE THEY'RE FROM THREE OF THE FOUR DIFFERENT COUNTIES.
OUR FOURTH, UM, COUNTY WOULD BE NAVAJO.
THAT'S NOT SHOWN THERE IS REPRESENTED BY OUR IMMEDIATE PAST CHAIRS.
SO OUR NOMINATING COMMITTEE, WHEN THEY NOMINATE THESE OFFICERS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THEY'RE MINDFUL OF TRYING TO HAVE THAT GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION FROM ACROSS THE FOUR COUNTIES.
WE SERVE, UH, FEW NUMBERS, NOT TOO IN DEPTH THOUGH.
THE FIRST THERE, OUR FINAL EXPENSES IN F Y 22 WERE ABOUT $33 MILLION.
YOU'LL SEE THAT ALMOST 60% WAS SPENT ON PEOPLE.
UH, WHEN WE'RE FULLY STAFFED, OUR TOTAL STAFF WILL BE UP ABOUT 400 THAT ARE AT SITES THROUGHOUT THE FOUR COUNTIES.
UH, BUT RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE RUN PAYROLL TOMORROW, WE'LL BE AT ABOUT 325 EMPLOYEES.
ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW IS LABOR FORCE, PARTICULARLY IN OUR HEAD START PROGRAM GOING INTO THE F Y 24 BUDGET.
WHEN WE PRESENTED TO OUR BOARD BACK IN JUNE, WE ESTIMATED ABOUT A $39 MILLION SPEND IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THERE IS THAT IT INCLUDES SOME ONE-TIME MONIES FROM RECOVERY PROGRAMS FOLLOWING THE PANDEMIC, AS WELL AS ONE-TIME CAPITAL FUNDING FOR SOME INVESTMENTS IN OUR PROGRAMS. SO GOING BACK TO THAT $33 MILLION NUMBER, THAT'S MORE TYPICAL OF OUR ANNUAL SPEND.
AND THE STAFFING PERCENTAGE WOULD BE ABOUT 67%, UH, ON AVERAGE HISTORICALLY MENTIONED CENTRAL OFFICE AND FLAGSTAFF.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UH, SATELLITE OFFICES THROUGHOUT THE FOUR COUNTIES.
PICTURE AT THE BOTTOM THERE IS OUR PRESCOTT OFFICE AND THE TEAM IN THE AGING PROGRAM THAT WORKS FROM THAT LOCATION.
NOW I'M GONNA SHIFT INTO TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAMS AND THEY'RE REALLY CATEGORIZED INTO TWO LARGE BUCKETS.
THE FIRST BEING, UH, CLIENT FOCUSED OR THE SERVICES THAT ARE DIRECTLY PROVIDED TO PEOPLE, HOUSEHOLDS, FAMILIES, AND THE LIKE.
I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT THEN ABOUT, UH, ONE PARTICULAR PARTNERSHIP LOCALLY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS AN ORGANIZATION.
AND THEN I'LL SHIFT INTO THE REGIONAL AND COMMUNITY BASED PROGRAMS IN A FEW EXAMPLES OF SOME OF OUR CURRENT PROJECTS.
I'VE LISTED ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS HERE ALPHABETICALLY THAT WAY NONE OF OUR STAFF CAN ARGUE ABOUT WHICH ONE, UM, I THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT.
SO I'M TRYING TO, UH, KEEP IT NEUTRAL.
BUT FIRST IS OUR AREA AGENCY ON AGING.
UM, THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE SERVICES AND SUPPORTS TO OLDER ADULTS.
IN OUR PROGRAM, IT'S, UH, EXCUSE ME, DEFINED AS 60 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER.
AND MANY OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE PROVIDE ARE BY OUR STAFF, WHICH ARE PREDOMINANTLY CASE MANAGERS, BUT WE ALSO PROVIDE DIRECT SERVICES SUCH AS OMBUDSMAN.
THEY GO INTO FACILITIES TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF INDIVIDUALS THAT RESIDE THERE.
THE NUTRITION PROGRAMS THAT ARE OPERATED ACROSS THE REGION ARE FUNDED BY AN ACOG AS A PASS THROUGH ENTITY, BUT IN THOSE PROGRAMS WE DO NOT DIRECTLY PROVIDE SERVICES.
THAT'S WHERE THE PARTNERSHIP, I'LL MENTION IN A MOMENT, IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT.
WE ALSO THEN CONTRACT OUT WITH THIRD PARTY PROVIDERS WHO WILL GO IN AND PROVIDE IN-HOME SERVICES SUCH AS ATTENDANT CARE, HELP FOLKS WITH SHOWERING, ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING, AS WELL AS HOUSEKEEPING AND RESPITE FOR CAREGIVERS.
AND THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM OVERALL IS REALLY TO KEEP SENIORS LIVING IN THEIR HOMES INDEPENDENTLY AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, WHICH YOU FIND IS WHERE MANY OF THEM WOULD PREFER TO RESIDE BEFORE MOVING INTO AN INSTITUTIONAL CARE, UH, SETTING.
THAT PROGRAM IS FUNDED BY WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE OLDER AMERICANS ACT.
UH, MOVING ON TO COMMUNITY SERVICES, THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT I SHOULD POINT OUT IS ONLY OPERATED IN THREE OF THE FOUR COUNTIES IN NACO SERVICE AREA.
UH, THAT'S BECAUSE COCONINO COUNTY, WHICH HAS A HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT ALSO PROVIDES THIS SAME PORTFOLIO DIRECTLY.
WE DO IT ON BEHALF OF THE OTHER THREE.
THIS IS FOR LIMITED INCOME HOUSEHOLDS AND IT PREDOMINANTLY PROVIDES SERVICES FOR UTILITY ASSISTANCE, SO
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PAYING GAS AND ELECTRIC BILLS.WE ALSO CONTRACT WITH VENDORS TO PROVIDE FIREWOOD, UM, IN SOME OF THE MORE RURAL COMMUNITIES, IF THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY HOME HEATING SOURCE.
WE ALSO PROVIDE RENTAL ASSISTANCE, MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE FROM TIME TO TIME.
WE HAVE A NEW PROGRAM LAUNCHING NEXT MONTH, WHICH IS STATE FUNDED, SPECIFICALLY TARGETING SENIORS FOR RENTAL AND MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE AS WELL AS FOOD AND TRANSPORTATION ASSISTANCE.
OUR HEAD START PROGRAM, I WILL NOTE, IS THE LARGEST ACROSS THE AGENCY.
SO THEY MAKE UP THE BULK OF THAT STAFF THAT I MENTIONED.
WE HAVE 31 DIFFERENT SITES ACROSS THE FOUR COUNTIES.
THEY CAN BE EITHER AN EARLY HEAD START SITE, WHICH SERVES A ZERO TO THREE POPULATION, UH, A HEAD START SITE, WHICH SERVES FOUR AND FIVE YEAR OLDS.
OR IT COULD BE BOTH IN ONE LOCATION.
UH, IN MANY CASES WE'RE PARTNERED LOCALLY WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
YOU TALK WITH THOSE SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMINISTRATORS AND TEACHERS.
THEY CAN TELL YOU VERY CLEARLY WHICH CHILDREN HAVE PARTICIPATED IN EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION PROGRAMS LIKE OURS BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF READINESS THEY COME TO THE CLASSROOM WITH.
UH, I ALSO OFTEN CHARACTERIZE THE HEAD START PROGRAM AS EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION ON STEROIDS.
AND THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS BECAUSE WE ALSO PROVIDE A ROBUST SET OF SERVICES TO SUPPORT FAMILIES WITH WHATEVER THEIR NEEDS MAY BE.
THE TWO PROGRAMS I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, WE OFTEN WILL DO CROSS-REFERRALS.
WE HAVE A GRANDPARENTS RAISING GRANDKIDS PROGRAM, THE UTILITY AND OTHER TYPES OF ASSISTANCE TO HOUSEHOLDS WE REFER.
WE ALSO HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST INFORMATION AND REFERRAL SERVICE TO PROVIDE CONNECTIONS WITH OTHER LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO SUPPORT FAMILIES.
MOVING ON TO OUR HOUSING AND WEATHERIZATION PROGRAM.
UM, IT'S A BASIC PROGRAM THAT AIMS TO SERVE HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE THE GREATEST NEEDS TO REPAIR THEIR HOMES AND THE LEAST RESOURCES THAT'S DONE THROUGH CONTRACTORS AND A FOCUS ON HEALTH AND SAFETY, AS WELL AS BRINGING ALL OF THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS UP TO CURRENT CODE.
SO IN ANY OF THOSE GRANTS, WE MAY SPEND UPWARDS OF 60, $70,000 WITH CURRENT CONSTRUCTION COSTS, MAKING THOSE KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS FOR HOMEOWNERS.
A LOT OF TIMES THAT WILL BE REPAIRS TO BATHROOMS OR AS WELL, UH, MAKING OTHER ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HOME, UH, TO ASSIST WITH MOBILITY.
UH, OUR WEATHERIZATION PROGRAM ON THE OTHER HAND IS SPECIFICALLY, UH, DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY FUNDED ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAM, ALSO TARGETED TO LIMITED INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
IT'S, UH, NOT A REAL SEXY PROGRAM, BUT IT GOES IN AND BASICALLY TIGHTENS UP A HOME IN TERMS OF ENERGY LOSS.
SO A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE DO IS UNSEEN IT'S INSULATION, IT'S SEALING THE DUCT WORK, WHICH OUR CREWS OFTEN FIND ARE NOT CONDUCTED TO REGISTERS.
AND SO WE'RE SEEING HOMES WHERE THEY'RE HEATING AND COOLING, UM, DEAD SPACE IN THE HOME.
ON AVERAGE, WE SEE ABOUT A 35% SAVINGS IN UTILITY COSTS FOR THESE HOUSEHOLDS, WHICH AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT EITHER LIMITED OR FIXED INCOME HOUSEHOLD, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, AMOUNT OF HOUSEHOLD RESOURCES THAT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
AND THEN FINALLY, ANOTHER NUANCED PROGRAM, WHICH IS ONE COUNTY ONLY OF THE FOUR COUNTIES, IS THE YAVAPAI COUNTY WORKFORCE INVESTMENT PROGRAM.
THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE WORKFORCE INNOVATION AND OPPORTUNITIES ACT, ANOTHER FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT'S SPECIFICALLY TO SUPPORT JOB SEEKERS AS WELL AS EMPLOYERS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH IDENTIFYING SPECIALIZED NEEDS OF TRAINING TO MEET THEIR LABOR FORCE NEEDS.
SO THE PARTNERSHIP THAT I MENTIONED THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF MANY.
AND AS I MENTIONED, WHEN I'M ORIENTING NEW BOARD MEMBERS, THERE'S HARDLY ANYTHING THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OR WE'LL TALK ABOUT ON THE NEXT FEW THAT'S, THAT ARE DONE IN ISOLATION.
ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT WE DO REQUIRES PARTNERSHIP.
SO HERE LOCALLY WE CONTRACT WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER.
THEY ARE THE PROVIDER OF THE HOME DELIVERED MEALS PROGRAM, COMMONLY KNOWN AS MEALS ON WHEELS, AS WELL AS A CONGREGATE SETTING MEALS PROGRAM, UH, TO THE TUNE RIGHT NOW OF ABOUT $45,000 FOR AN ANNUAL CONTRACT.
AND IN MANY CASES, OUR PROVIDERS EXCEED THAT CONTRIBUTION WITH LOCAL FUNDING CONTRIBUTIONS, UM, OR FUNDRAISING THAT THEY DO TO SUPPORT THEIR PROGRAMMING.
WE ALSO PARTNER CLOSELY AS A LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH THE AGING POPULATION AND PROVIDE SERVICES.
SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER HAS A GREAT NUMBER OF EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THIS THAT THEY DO DIRECTLY ON THEIR OWN, BUT THEY'RE A VENUE FOR OUR TEAM TO COME IN AND DO DIFFERENT CLASSES, UH, RELATED TO HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
SO IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE QUALITY PARTNERS LIKE THE COMMUNITY CENTER THROUGHOUT THE FOUR COUNTIES.
SO I'M GONNA SHIFT NOW, UM, AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE-CENTERED PROGRAMS AND TALK ABOUT REGIONAL AND COMMUNITY SERVICES.
AND THEY'RE REALLY EXACTLY THAT THEY CAN HAPPEN ON A REGIONAL SCALE, WHICH IS HOW YOU WOULD DEFINE A LOT OF THE PLANNING ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE ENGAGED IN OR AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL.
AND THAT'LL, UM, BE HIGHLIGHTED WITH SOME OF THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS TO SEDONA THAT WE'LL MENTION.
I THINK THE COUNCIL'S PROBABLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE FIRST ONE HERE.
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BLOCK GRANTS, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE RECENTLY GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND IDENTIFYING AND ULTIMATELY SELECTING A PROJECT THAT WILL BE FUNDED IN A CONTRACT THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.THOSE ARE FOR VERY SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES IN SPECIFIC AREAS THAT ARE DEFINED AS LOW TO MODERATE INCOME.
UM, AGAIN, LIKE MANY OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE TARGETED, TARGETED TO ASSIST SPECIFIC POPULATIONS.
A LOT OF THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE SEE FUNDED THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ARE TYPICALLY INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, SIDEWALKS, A D A IMPROVEMENTS, UM, ASSISTANCE TO PROGRAMS LIKE THE COMMUNITY CENTER WITH MAYBE COMMERCIAL KITCHENS.
THIS CITY CHOSE TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INNOVATIVE, UM, WITH THE, UH, TRANSITIONAL PROJECT OR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROJECT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO FUND.
SO, UH, MY APPLAUSE TO THE THE COUNCIL FOR TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO IDENTIFYING YOUR PROJECTS.
UM, MOVING ON TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A PROJECT, A PROGRAM THAT HAPPENS ON A REGIONAL SCALE.
AND THE PRODUCT OF IT IS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
WE PREPARE, UH, LONG RANGE PLAN, WHICH IS CALLED THE COMPREHENSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
IT'S IMPORTANT AS A CONDITION OF THE GRANT TO REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT ARE THE CORE INDUSTRIES.
THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THAT BOARD REPRESENTATION ITEM I MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT HOW CAN, AS A REGION WE WORK TO GROW THE ECONOMY IN THOSE SECTORS, UH, WITH INCOME GROWTH, JOB GROWTH, AND ALSO LOOKING AT WAYS TO MAKE OUR ECONOMIES MORE RESILIENT.
THAT'S A TOPIC THAT'S BECOME MUCH, MUCH MORE RELEVANT, UM, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, PARTICULARLY WITH ECONOMIES DISRUPTED BY WILDFIRE FLOODING AND THE LIKE WITH OTHER SEVERE WEATHER EVENTS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY IS ALSO CALLED THE CS.
AND WHAT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR IS SERVING AS A GATEWAY TO FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION, WHICH FUNDS THIS PROGRAM ALSO FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT SUPPORT ECONOMIC GROWTH, BUT ALSO FOR OTHER FEDERAL PROGRAMS. ONE THAT WORKS CLOSELY WITH OUR CS OFTEN IS USDA'S RURAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, WHICH HAS A REALLY DIVERSE FUNDING PORTFOLIO TOO.
THEY'LL OFTEN REFERENCE OUR CSS AS JUSTIFICATION FOR FUNDING SOME OF THEIR PROJECT INVESTMENTS.
SO MOVING ON TO REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY PLANNING.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS HERE, INCLUDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
WE HAVE DIRECT FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE MANAGED AT THE COG LEVEL TO INVEST IN PROJECTS.
UH, SEDONA HAS AT LEAST ONE EXAMPLE IN OUR CURRENT TRANSPORTATION INVESTMENT PLAN ON, UH, THUNDER MOUNTAIN ROAD.
WE ALSO WORK IN THE ARENA OF POLICY ADVOCACY THROUGH A SISTER ORGANIZATION KNOWN AS THE RURAL TRANSPORTATION ADVOCACY COUNCIL.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TIME IT GETS DURING YOUR LOCAL BUDGET PROCESS, BUT NAG CHURCH, CHURCH TWO ASSESSMENTS TO OUR LOCAL MEMBERSHIP.
WE DON'T HAVE GENERAL DUES TO BELONG, BUT ONE OF THOSE IS FOR FUNDING NACOG SHARE OF THE RURAL TRANSPORTATION ADVOCACY COUNCIL.
THAT COUNCIL HAS ONE FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBER WHOSE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS ADVOCACY AT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVELS.
ONE OF THE PROJECTS THE COUNCIL'S BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, AND AGAIN FOR THE COMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN JANUARY, IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE REGIONAL PRIORITY PROJECTS LIST.
UH, THIS YEAR IT'LL BE A $400 MILLION PACKAGE OF LOCALLY IDENTIFIED PROJECTS WITHIN EACH OF THE PLANNING REGIONS THAT WE'RE SEEKING GENERAL FUND SURPLUS FUNDING SUPPORT OR APPROPRIATIONS FROM THE LEGISLATURE TO FUND SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT THE, UH, THE SET ON A PROJECT HERE IN A MINUTE AND THEN JUST SOME SPECIAL PROJECTS THERE.
UH, A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON CURRENTLY IN THE REGION.
UM, THE FIRST PAGE THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU HERE IS THE REGIONAL PLANNING PAGE.
THIS IS A SUCCESSION OF GOING THROUGH, STARTING AT THE TOP LEFT.
THIS IS OUR REGIONAL PLANNING HOMEPAGE.
IF YOU CLICKED ON TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, THAT WOULD TAKE YOU TO THE BLUE PAGE.
AND THEN IF YOU CLICKED ON THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW TAB, IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO, UH, ANOTHER LINK FOR THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW FUNDING NAVIGATOR.
THIS IS A TOOL THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY NCOS PLANNING TEAM SPECIFICALLY TO SUPPORT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
IF YOU'VE EXPLORED AT ALL THE RANGE OF NEW FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE IN THAT LAW AVAILABLE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, MANY OF WHICH ARE COMPETITIVE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO TRACK THERE.
SO OUR TEAM CREATED BASICALLY A ONE-STOP SHOP WITH ALL THE FUNDING AND OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE WITH THEIR ANNUAL APPLICATION CYCLES AND THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION THAT'S NEEDED, NEEDED TO HOPEFULLY SUCCESSFULLY PURSUE THOSE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
THEN I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO A COUPLE OF PLANNING PROJECTS.
GOING BACK TO THAT REGIONAL PRIORITY PROJECTS LIST.
THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER THERE IS THE FACT SHEET ON THE CITY OF SEDONA PROJECT, WHICH IS THE, UH, 89 A FOREST RANGER ROUNDABOUT PROJECT.
THAT'S A SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS REQUEST.
IT HAPPENS TO BE THE FOURTH HIGHEST RANKED PROJECT ON OUR LIST OF 19 PROJECTS WE'RE SUBMITTING AS A REGION.
SO WE'RE HOPEFUL, UM, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY I THINK THE COMPETITION
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FOR GENERAL FUND SURPLUS WILL BE MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE, UH, OR THERE'LL BE FEWER RESOURCES IN THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION.THE MAP THAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS SLIDE, UM, THAT'S A PIN MAP OF COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR AN ONGOING REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY PLAN THAT, UH, WE'RE PREPARING WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF A CONSULTANT.
THE THREE COLORS THERE INDICATE THAT DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMENTS OR CONCERNS THAT WERE NOTED RELATED TO DRIVERS, UH, BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.
I THINK IT'S A PRETTY, UH, GOOD LEVEL OF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC KNOWING THAT A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT PROCESSES, UH, GENERALLY DON'T SEE A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT.
UM, THIS WAS AN ONLINE TOOL AND SO WE'RE REALLY PLEASED TO SEE WHAT THE INPUT THOSE PROVIDED LOCALLY HERE.
UH, OUR YAVAPAI PASSENGER TRANSPORTATION STUDY HAD AN UPDATE LAST YEAR IN 2022.
OUR PLANNING TEAM ALSO WORKS CLOSELY WITH YOUR PUBLIC TRANSIT STAFF HERE AT THE CITY ON IDENTIFYING ROUTE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THEN THE LAST WAS ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL PROJECTS I MENTIONED THAT IS SPECIAL PROJECT FUNDED BY A GRANT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
AND IT'S LOOKING AT THE USE OF EITHER EFFLUENT OR STORMWATER FLOWS TO HELP SUPPORT THE BASE FLOWS OF THE VERDE RIVER.
THAT'S A PROJECT THAT'LL BE WRAPPING UP HERE LATER IN THE, UH, THE CALENDAR YEAR.
AND THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED.
I, I'D ALSO, UM, BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THAT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT BEING INVOLVED IN ACOG IS PARTICIPATING.
AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT YOUR CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES WITH COUNCILOR FOLTZ AND HIS PREDECESSORS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN STRONG PARTICIPANTS, ALWAYS PARTICIPATING IN ATTENDING OUR MEETINGS.
THE SAME GOES WITH YOUR CITY STAFF.
UM, CURRENTLY ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER DICKEY, HE'S SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF OUR TECHNICAL COMMITTEE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
AND LIKEWISE, WE'VE HAD GREAT SUPPORT AND PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY STAFF OVER THE YEARS.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, MOST IMPORTANT, KIND OF GOING BACK TO THAT FLYOVER COMMENT, ANY OF, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO OUR PROGRAM DIRECTORS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT ANY OF THE PROGRAMS I'VE TOUCHED ON TODAY, UH, WE'D ALSO BE HAPPY TO BRING ANY OF THEM BACK TO DIG DEEPER ON A SPECIFIC PROGRAM WITH THE COUNCIL, UM, AT A DATE OF YOUR CHOOSING.
AND THEN THE FINAL COMMENT I'LL MAKE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, THE TWO INFORMATION AND REFERRAL NUMBERS THAT ARE THERE.
YOU CAN ALSO LEARN A WHOLE LOT ABOUT ALL THESE PROGRAMS ON NA CO'S WEBSITE, WHICH IS NACOG.ORG.
BUT IMPORTANTLY, THE TWO PHONE NUMBERS THERE ARE ANSWERED BY PEOPLE.
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT OUR PROGRAMS SERVE ARE REACHING OUT TO US DURING TIMES OF CRISIS OR HIGH STRESS.
THEY LIKE TO TALK TO A PERSON.
AND FORTUNATELY, BOTH OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE ANSWERED BY PEOPLE.
IF THEY GET VOICEMAIL, THEY REACH OUT PROMPTLY, UH, TO PROVIDE SERVICE AND THE INFORMATION AND REFERRAL, THEY ARE 40 HOURS A WEEK.
THAT IS ALL THAT THEY DO TO SERVE CLIENTS.
UH, I MENTIONED EARLIER WE DO A LOT OF CROSS REFERRALS INTERNALLY, BUT EXTERNALLY, THEY ALSO MAINTAIN A RESOURCE DATABASE TO BE ABLE TO REFER TO OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT CAN ASSIST HOUSEHOLDS AND FAMILIES IN NEED.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL PAUSE, TAKE A BREATH, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THAT WAS A GREAT, UH, PRESENTATION, VERY INFORMATIVE.
I APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING THE TIME WITH US TODAY.
SO WHY DON'T WE LOOK TODAY IS, UH, TO MY RIGHT BRIAN.
CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY.
UM, TO MY FELLOW COUNSELORS AND THE PUBLIC, UH, BEING A, A NEWBIE AS THE CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE AT NACO, I'M STILL LEARNING A GOOD BIT.
AND EACH OF THESE BIMONTHLY MEETINGS ARE NOT ONLY INFORMATIVE BUT ALSO INSPIRING IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT OF THE WORK THAT NACO DOES.
AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S ALSO ALMOST HEART WRENCHING SEEING THE CHALLENGES THAT NACOG FACES.
SO AS OF, FOR INSTANCE, AT THE MOST RECENT MEETING A FEW WEEKS BACK, UH, THE HEAD START PROGRAM IS 90 WORKERS SHORT 90.
AND THE IMPLICATION IS, IS THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROGRAMS BECAUSE IT IS FEDERALLY CONTROLLED.
AND IF THERE ARE NOT THE SUFFICIENT RATIOS OF ADULTS TO CHILDREN, THEN THEY HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN CLASSROOMS. AND THERE ARE NEW CLASSROOMS READY TO BE UNVEILED THAT CAN'T BE OPENED FOR LACK OF STAFF.
SO THE CHALLENGE OF GETTING UH, WORKERS IS NOT A SEDONA THING.
IT'S NOT A VERDE VALLEY THING, IT'S AN ALL FOUR COUNTIES OF NACOG THING AND BEYOND.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, ANOTHER, UM, AREA I WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL ON AGING, THEY AND THEIR WORK, UM, THE FEDERAL FUNDING THAT THEY GET IS AFFECTED BY THE RECENT DEBT CEILING DEAL, WHICH ROLLED BACK BUDGETS TO WHAT YEAR WAS IT? 21, ROLLED IT BACK AT 21 AND THEN PUT A 1% GROWTH, UM, LIMITATION
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ON TOP OF THAT.AND THE IMPLICATION IS, IS THAT 500 SENIORS RECEIVING SERVICES CURRENTLY ARE LIKELY TO BE DROPPED DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING.
AND THAT'S ON TOP OF A WAIT LIST THAT'S ALREADY OVER 600 SENIORS DEEP.
SO THE WORK IS IMPORTANT, THE WORK IS CRITICAL, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, I COMMEND, YOU KNOW, NACOG THOROUGHLY FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO.
AND, UH, AT THE SAME TOKEN, I JUST ACHE FOR THE FACT THAT FUNDING AND STAFFING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SUCH A CHALLENGE AND, AND YET SO INTEGRAL TO THE GOOD WORK OF NACOG.
SO I, I WISH I HAD RECOMMENDATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, PROPOSALS OF WHAT TO DO, BUT, UH, JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES ARE THAT, UH, NACOG FACES ALSO, UH, HATS OFF TO, UH, ANDY DICKEY FOR HIS GOOD WORK AND THE FACT THAT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HIS ROLE IN THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE CERTAINLY DOES HAVE A BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING TO ADD? WELL, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADD ANYTHING TO WHAT BRIAN JUST SAID.
THAT'S TRUE, BUT, YOU KNOW, NEVER KNOW VICE MAYOR.
I REMEMBER WHEN BILL CHISHOLM WAS THE LIAISON FROM THE COUNCIL, AND HE REPORTED THAT, I THINK IT WAS AROUND HEAD START.
DID THE PROGRAM CLOSE AT ONE POINT? YES.
UM, FORMERLY, UH, PRIOR TO 2020 NAAG FOR MANY YEARS DID OPERATE A LOCAL HEAD START SITE HERE.
UH, THAT WAS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE RAN INTO TWO CHALLENGES THAT LED TO THE CLOSURE OF THAT ENROLLMENT AS WELL AS STAFFING, UM, GOES TO COUNSELOR FULTZ EARLIER COMMENTS.
AND SO WE HAD TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT DECISION WHEN WE WENT THROUGH A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION PROCESS TO RETAIN OUR GRANT, TO DO WHAT WE CALLED KIND OF A RIGHT SIZING EXERCISE TO ONLY PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES IN THE AREAS WHERE WE CAN SUPPORT ENROLLMENT.
I DIDN'T GET INTO A LOT OF THE OPERATIONAL MECHANICS OF THE WORK THAT WE DO, BUT IT'S ALL HEAVILY MONITORED AND REGULATED BY OUR FUNDERS.
AND HEAD START HAS OVER 1700 PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE MONITORED AGAINST
UM, IS ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS THOUGH, IF WE CAN'T MAINTAIN ENROLLMENT, UM, AT ONE SITE HISTORICALLY, AND WE'RE, WE'RE IN A REALLY STRANGE TIME RIGHT NOW, POST PANDEMIC, UM, TRYING TO GET EMPLOYEES AND ENROLLMENT BACK TO PANDEMIC LEVELS, EXCUSE ME.
BUT IF WE CAN'T MAINTAIN ENROLLMENT, WE HAVE TO SHIFT AND INCREASE ENROLLMENT AT OTHER SITES TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE THRESHOLDS THAT WE CAN'T EXCEED.
WE'RE LICENSED BY THE STATE, SO WE'VE GOTTA MAINTAIN STRICT, UH, TEACHER CHILD RATIOS IN EVERY CLASSROOM.
UH, SO IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT BALANCING ACT.
SO IT WASN'T WITHOUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF HEARTACHE FROM THE STAFF THAT WE ULTIMATELY MADE THE DECISION TO CLOSE THE SEDONA CENTER.
TO MY LEFT, JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL THE PROGRAMS YOU DO, BUT I'M THE LIAISON TO THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SUPPORT FOR NUTRITION AND THE OUTREACH TO SENIORS.
AND THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT NACO.
UH, CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND, AND MAKING US MORE AWARE OF THE WORK THAT YOU'RE, UH, DOING IN THAT ORGANIZATION.
THANK YOU SPECIFICALLY FOR THE COMMENTS RELATIVE TO OUR COUNCIL PARTICIPATION IN OUR STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT ALWAYS KIND.
AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE NEWS THAT THINGS ARE, ARE GOING WELL WITH YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH, UH, SEDONA.
SO, UH, COUNCILOR FOLTZ, THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON THERE AND, AND, AND THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE.
I JUST, THIS JUST STRIKES ME AS GOVERNMENT IS IMPORTANT AND GOVERNMENT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, AND THAT'S WHAT I TAKE FROM THIS.
AND GOVERNMENT HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES ON THE RESPECTABILITY CHART.
I THINK THIS SHOWS WHAT GOVERNMENT CAN DO.
AND I SHARE COUNCILMAN FO'S REGRET AT THE, THE LACK OF SUFFICIENT RESOURCES TO, TO DEAL WITH, WITH, WITH THOSE OF US WHO ARE HUMAN BEINGS.
THAT WAS REALLY TAUGHT ME A LOT MORE THAN, UH, ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION THAN EVEN I KNEW.
AND I DO REMEMBER THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY FORMER, UH, COUNCILOR CHISHOLM AND THE HARD WORK THAT HE DID, UH, FOR YOU AS WELL.
SO THANKS TO GREAT PRESENTATION.
WE'LL NEXT APPRECIATE THE INVITATION.
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ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS SANDY AND KO, UH,[8.b. AB 2986 Discussion/possible action regarding an Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Title 13 (Public Services and Utilities) Division II (Storm Water) by amending Chapter 13.50 (Stormwater Discharge). (Second Public Meeting]
ITEM, GEEZ, EIGHT B 20.NO, I, I KNOW EIGHT B I COULDN'T SEE WITHOUT THE GLASSES.
UH, AB 29 86 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING YES, THE CITY CODE TITLE 13, PUBLIC SERVICES AND UTILITIES.
UH, DIVISION TWO, STORMWATER BY AMENDING CHAPTER 13.50, STORMWATER DISCHARGE, SECOND PUB, SECOND PUBLIC MEETING, IF THEY CAN GET IT UP AND RUNNING.
MAYOR, IN THE MEANTIME, I MIGHT JUST ADD THAT WE OUGHT TO SEND A RECORDING OUT OF CHRIS FETZER'S PRESENTATION AS A STANDARD FOR HOW TO, UH, I, I AGREE MOTOR THROUGH PROVIDE A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION, UH, IN A, UH, VERY COMPACT TIMEFRAME.
CHRIS, YOU SET THE RECORD FOR THE, AT LEAST THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, LIVE UP TO THAT SANDY
YEAH, I KNOW SHE DID PRETTY GOOD WITH BRINGING US THE, UH, JAVELINA SLIDE.
SO ALL SANDY HAS TO SAY IS, NOTHING'S CHANGED.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
UM, I AM HANUKAH UDA, ASSISTANT ENGINEER IN PUBLIC WORKS.
I EXAMINE PLANS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S WHY I AM BRINGING YOU THE SECOND READING OF OUR STORMWATER, OUR CHANGES TO OUR STORMWATER CODE.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES SINCE WE MET LAST, SO I'LL JUST DO A REAL QUICK, UH, HIT THE KEY POINTS.
UH, FIRST WE HAVE, UH, INCLUDING THE, IN THE PURPOSE AND INTENT SECTION, REGULATION OF STORMWATER RUNOFF AND LOT DRAINAGE.
THE NEW SECTION ON LOT DRAINAGE, WHICH IS A VERSION OF A R S, BUT IT'S MORE SPECIFIC AND ADDS CLARITY, UH, SPECIFIES THAT WATER, UH, RUNOFF SHOULD ENTER AND EXIT A PROPERTY IN THE HISTORIC MANNER.
UH, JUST MORE CLARIFICATION AND THE LIABILITY WAIVER AND CLARIFICATION OF RESPONSIBILITIES AND DIFFERENT PARTIES.
AND AGAIN, THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE WAY CITY STAFF CONDUCTS THE PLAN REVIEW.
IT DOES, IT SHOULD NOT ADD ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL COSTS TO HOMEOWNERS OR CONTRACTORS.
AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH A R S.
NO CHANGES UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, JESSICA, DID YOU GET ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AS BETWEEN THE FIRST READING AND THE SECOND READING? THANK YOU FOR THE SIGN.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING HANUKKAH.
SHE ASKED, SHE JUST SAID, NO, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR HER.
I WAS GETTING THE COMMENTS YOU ANSWERED AND I SAID THANK YOU.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A, UH, COMMENT CARD FROM GREG SWANSON.
UH, THIS THE NEXT ONE? THIS THE NEXT.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I JUST WANNA THANK YOU.
I KNOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, BUT WE WENT OVER THIS THOROUGHLY, UH, AT THE AUGUST 22ND MEETING, SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND FOR THE COMMENTS THAT YOU ACCEPTED AT THAT TIME AND FOR BRINGING IT BACK.
I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023 DASH SIX SIX, AN ORDINANCE OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE 13 PUBLIC SERVICES AND UTILITIES BY AMENDING CHAPTER 13.50 STORMWATER DISCHARGE.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILOR.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
[8.c. AB 2950 Discussion/possible action regarding an Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Title 10 (Vehicles and Traffic) by adding Chapter 10.30 (Improper Motor Vehicle Equipment) and a voluntary agreement with local OHV rental companies]
ITEM C, AB 29 50, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONAS, UH, CITY CODE TITLE 10, UH, VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC BY ADDING CHAPTER, UH, 10.30 IMPROPER MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT, AND A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL O H V RENTAL COMPANIES.SO WHAT I'M GONNA ASK TO DO IS, COULD WE HAVE
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FOUR SEATS? JOANNE, WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO DO? SURE.BECAUSE WE HAVE THE, THE RENTAL COMPANY, UH, REPRESENTATIVE ARE YOU THAT WOULD LIKE TO PERFECT.
I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM AT THE TABLE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND OKAY.
WE HAVE ONE FROM EACH COMPANY.
RIGHT? IS HE NOT HERE? RIPPY IS NOT HERE, RIGHT? HE'S NOT HERE.
WELL, THAT'S MAY BE A PROBLEM.
WHERE IS RIPPY GENTLEMEN? UH, OKAY.
RIPPY, WHO WILL BE SPEAKING FOR HIM.
WE'D LIKE TO, NOBODY'S HERE FOR, NOBODY'S HERE FOR RIPPY.
YOU WANNA BEGIN? YES, MR. MAYOR AND, UM, MADAM VICE MAYOR AND COUNCILOR.
SO THE, I DID WANNA JUST POINT OUT THERE WAS ONE CHANGE TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UM, IN LIGHT OF COUNCILOR FURMAN'S COMMENTS AT THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE REDUNDANCY BETWEEN, UM, 10 30, 21, AND TWO ABOUT THE OWNER AND THE DRIVE.
AND I, I DID MAKE THAT CHANGE AS HE SUGGESTED.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE ORDINANCE IS IN THE SAME FORM.
UH, THE COMMITMENT LETTER THAT'S IN THE PACKET WAS FROM THE PRIOR COUNCIL MEETING, UH, ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU AND EMAILED OUT TO COUNCIL, UH, EARLIER IS THE MORE UP-TO-DATE VERSION OF THE SEDONA O H V COMMITMENT COMMITMENTS FROM THE LOCAL O H V RENTAL COMPANIES.
UH, AND OTHER THAN THOSE CHANGES, THAT'S BOTH ARE IN THE COMMITMENT LETTER AND THE ORDINANCE, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO, TO ADD FOR COUNSEL.
SO YOU HAVE, DID THE COUNSEL RECEIVE THE LIST? MM-HMM.
SO WE'RE SAYING YOU MADE A COMMENT, MAYOR, THAT SOMEONE WAS MISSING THAT THERE ARE FOUR COMPANIES REPRESENTED HERE, AND THERE ARE FOUR ON THE LETTER.
NO, YOU HAVE THREE COMPANIES HERE.
YOU HAVE YOU THREE COMPANIES HERE.
TWO OF YOU ARE FROM ONE COMPANY.
SO THE, THE COMPANY THAT IS NOT HERE AND PRESENT TONIGHT FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BUT IS A SIGNATORY TO THE LETTER.
UM, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT.
THE, THE, THE ABSENCE TONIGHT IS NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULDN'T INTERPRET ANY CHANGE, BUT YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, CAN YOU? 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT HIM
RIGHT? DOES STAFF KNOW? WE DON'T, I MEAN, UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
UM, UH, HE'S BEEN PRESIDENT AT ALL THE FORMER MEETINGS, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND HAD SIGNED THIS AS, AS LATE AS IT WAS SENT OUT YESTERDAY.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'D BE ANY CHANGE.
BUT, AND JUST FOR YOU TO ADDRESS YOUR, UH, CONCERN, UH, HE REPRESENTS, UH, ANDREW RIPPE IS THE OWNER OF SEDONA.
AN ENTIRE FLEET AS, OKAY, SO THIS SIGNED LETTER IS SIGNED ELECTRONICALLY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRINTED NAMES AND EMAIL ADDRESSES.
BUT DO WE HAVE ACTUAL SIGNATURES OR WOULD YOU WE GET GETTING ACTUAL SIGNATURES? I MEAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF WE'RE WORKING OFF OF THIS, THAT THIS IS MEMORIALIZED AND A WAY TO BE CAPTURED.
SO COUNCILOR KINSELLA, UH, E ELECTRONIC SIGNATURES COUNT AS REAL SIGNATURES IN, IN TODAY'S CLIMATE.
UM, BUT ALSO THIS IS A, A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.
SO THAT, WHETHER THEY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, PROCESS, PROCESS-WISE WHERE WE ARE.
SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE THREE THAT ARE HERE, THERE, THERE, THEY'VE MADE CHANGES.
UM, THERE WERE WAS A QUESTION FOR, UH, UH, PETE THAT HE MADE ABOUT ADOT AND THE REGISTRATIONS.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER DAY TO SEE HOW MANY PRIVATELY OWNED OHVS THERE WOULD BE IN THE V O C OR IN SEDONA.
AND HE WANTED TO KNOW, BECAUSE THE PRIVATELY OWNED ONES AND ADOT WAS UNABLE TO, UH, REALLY QUANTIFY THAT THEY HAD SEVERAL HUNDRED IN TOTAL BECAUSE THEY CLASSIFY THEM AS MOTORCYCLES AND THERE WAS NO WAY TO SEPARATE THEM OUT AS, BUT THEY WERE ABLE
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TO SEPARATE THE, THE RENTAL COMPANIES.'CAUSE THEIR NAME, THE COMPANY WOULDN'T NAME WAS ON THERE, BUT THEY, AS FAR AS THE PRIVATE OWNED, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO, TO, UH, SEPARATE OUT.
UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS LETTER, IN CASE THERE ARE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT, UH, A LETTER THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED RELATED TO, UH, THE G S R C AND PERMITTING.
AND THE SAME LETTER WOULD BE TO, UM, THE US FOREST SERVICE.
IS THAT, WHERE IS THAT, IT'S NOT ATTACHED, OR DID I MISS IT? UH, NO, I'M SORRY.
UM, THE, THE LETTER WAS NEVER ACTUALLY, WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED HOW TO WRITE THE LETTER AND WE'VE DEFINITELY GONE BACK AND FORTH ON INPUT OF THE LETTER.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO BOTH THE FOREST SERVICE AND WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE G S R C AS WELL.
UM, IN LIEU OF THE LETTER, WE ACTUALLY ADDED NUMBER EIGHT.
UM, LET ME GO DOWN HERE TO THIS.
UH, MORE VERBIAGE TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE LETTER STATING OUR COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT THE GSRC AND THEIR DECISION.
SO HERE I, FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T SEE, 'CAUSE IT IS KIND OF SMALL, I'LL READ THAT WE HAVE ASKED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DISCUSSION FOR, UH, ON FOREST TRAIL USAGE.
NO, I KNOW, BUT HE SAID EIGHT.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IT IF ANYBODY WAS LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENT.
WE HAVE ASKED, UH, ASKED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DISCUSSION ON FOREST TRAIL USAGE IN THE RED ROCK DISTRICT NOW AND IN THE FUTURE WITH THE G SS R C, US FOREST SERVICE AND, AND ROCK.
UH, WE ARE WILLING TO COLLABORATE BASED UPON THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS AND PROVIDE, UH, OUR FEEDBACK CONCERNING TRAIL USAGE FOR ALL.
WE COMMIT TO WORK IN UNISON WITH THE CITY TO PROMOTE SAFE, UH, USE OF OHVS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND ON SURROUNDING FOREST TRAILS.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR CHANGING TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON PAVED ROADS, UH, USED TO ACCESS THE FOREST TO LIMIT PAVED ROAD USAGE.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE ARE NOT A DEFINED, UH, NOT A DEFINED NOW OR AMENDED USE PLAN, UH, FOR ALL USERS ACCESS, UH, ALL USER ACCESS WITH THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT.
NEW IDEAS ARE CURRENTLY BEING DISCUSSED, UH, BY MANY PARTIES.
AND ONCE THESE IDEAS ARE BROUGHT TO LIGHT, WE WILL EVALUATE WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT WE CAN, UH, CAN BE GIVEN.
THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
SO, UM, I'LL BRING IT TO BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO START WITH QUESTIONS OF, OF YOU GENTLEMEN AND, UH, COUNCIL DUNN, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL OTHER THAN WHAT YOUR OPINIONS FROM THE LAST TIME THEY WERE QUESTIONS FROM LAST TIME? AND I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS.
OR OLD? THERE'S NO POINT IN BRINGING UP MY OLD QUESTIONS.
UM, I KNOW, GENTLEMEN, I DIDN'T DRESS IN BLACK JUST FOR TODAY, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
UM, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IN IN TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAS ANY OF THAT CHANGED? DO MANUFACTURERS NOW SAY THEY ARE DESIGNED TO, DOES HAS ANY OF THAT CHANGED? UH, COUNSELOR, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NO, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE STILL TRUE.
SO I'M GONNA COME OVER TO YOU GUYS, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A VERY SIMILAR QUESTION.
TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR YOUR ABILITY WITH THE CHANGES THAT YOU HAVE SUGGESTED INSIDE OF YOUR VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, UM, DO YOU BELIEVE OR DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE MANUFACTURERS ROVA OR ANY OF THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE SO LISTED AS EVIDENCE IN THE EARLIER, UH, OR SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, I SHOULD SAY, WOULD NOW SAY THAT THESE VEHICLES ARE DESIGNED FOR ON-ROAD USE, GIVEN THEM MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO MAKE? DO, DID THAT MAKE SENSE? NO.
UM, WE, WE, WE OPERATE UNDER ARIZONA STATE LAW.
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OKAY.UM, CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING ALSO ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF THESE VEHICLES.
I MEAN, THAT ARTWORK, I CAN'T HEAR YOU, DAN.
AND A LOT OF THE CHANGES WE ARE PROPOSING TO MAKE AND ARE MAKING, UM, DO ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF THE VEHICLES ON ROAD.
SO, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION, GENERAL SPEAKING.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNSELOR, UM, KINSELLA BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE TABLE THE ORDINANCE AND WE DECIDE LATER THAT, UM, THIS ISN'T SATISFACTORY BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE FOUR RENTAL BUSINESSES, AND WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO BRING THEIR OWN OHVS IN, AND THIS DOESN'T APPLY, WHEREAS AN ORDINANCE APPLIES TO EVERYONE EQUALLY UNDER LAW.
UM, IF WE WERE TO, TO, TO BRING THIS BACK, ONE OF THE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE OUR TRIGGER POINT? BECAUSE YOU TALK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US UPDATES EVERY QUARTER ON HOW YOU'RE DOING.
UM, THIS IS NOT AN ENFORCEABLE THING, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT A LEGAL CONTRACT BETWEEN US.
THIS IS JUST A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, SO THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT.
SO FOR US TO BRING THIS BACK, WE NEED SOME KIND OF TRIGGER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL AGREED ON, THAT IF THAT WERE VIOLATED, THEN YOU WOULD EXPECT US TO, WHOEVER THE US IS AT THE TIME, TO, UM, BRING THIS ORDINANCE BACK AND SAY, WE REALLY BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PROTECT THE SAFETY, NOT ONLY OF RESIDENTS, BUT THIS IS MOSTLY ABOUT VISITORS, AND VISITORS WHO ARE USING THESE VEHICLES.
SO DO YOU GUYS, IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS, 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THIS, THESE CONVERSATIONS, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT THOSE TRIGGER POINTS WOULD BE? NO.
WE, WE HAVE TO A POINT OF, OF HOW TO IN VERIFY THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GONNA DO.
UM, WE, WE DID ADD NUMBER EIGHT IN THERE MM-HMM.
UM, AND WE ARE STILL GONNA HAVE ONGOING MEETINGS WITH THE CITY.
AND AT THOSE MEETINGS WE WILL GIVE STATUS UPDATES AND WE ARE OPEN, OPEN TO SOME WAY SOMEHOW TO VERIFY, UM, WHETHER WE SPOKE THE LAST MEETING, WHETHER IT TREAD LIGHTLY, WOULD DO IT, OR ANOTHER THIRD PARTY WOULD DO IT.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO RESOLVE HOW TO ACCURATELY VERIFY OTHER THAN ME JUST SAYING I DID IT RIGHT,
BUT, UM, WE, WE DID ARE YOU SAYING I SHOULDN'T TRUST YOU, DAN
SO, BUT, UM, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE EXACT WAY TO VERIFY WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHETHER THESE ITEMS ARE INSTALLED OR THESE MODIFICATIONS ARE MADE, OR OUR OUR SYSTEMS ARE UP TO DATE.
OUR EDUCATION IS FOLLOWING THROUGH.
UM, ALL THOSE ITEMS, UM, ARE, AGAIN, IT'S A, IT IS A TRUST.
UM, BUT WE ARE GOING TO MEET REGULARLY AND WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE, UH, THE INFORMATION ON WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND WHERE IT'S AT, OR IF IT'S ALREADY COMPLETED.
ARE YOU, UM, ASSUMING AGAIN, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE CONVERSATIONS, SO IS THE ASSUMPTION HERE THAT ON NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS ABOUT, UM, PRESENTING AND WHATEVER, HOWEVER WE'RE GONNA VERIFY, UM, DO YOU, IN YOUR, IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS, HAS THIS BEEN, YOU'RE GONNA JUST MEET WITH THE THREE SUB COUNSELORS? OR IS THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK HERE IN FRONT OF FULL COUNCIL, UM, AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE? UH, WE, UH, CURRENTLY ARE JUST SCHEDULED WITH THE THREE COUNCIL OR THE TWO COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AT THIS POINT.
UM, IF, AND AGAIN, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO THE WAY TO VERIFY, AND IF THERE'S A, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CITY THAT, UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND HOW TO WORK OUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
AND, AND FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE'RE TABLING THE ORDINANCE, WHICH AGAIN APPLIES TO EVERYONE EQUALLY UNDER THE LAW, UM, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A VOLUNTARY NON ENFORCEABLE AGREEMENT WITH THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THESE BUSINESSES.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, THAT WE HAVE SOME MECHANISM, SOME TRIGGER POINT AT WHICH WE WOULD SAY, MAYBE WE NEED TO RETHINK THIS AND BRING BACK THE ORDINANCE.
UM, INSTEAD OF THIS SORT OF GENERAL OPEN-ENDED THING, CAN I ASK YOU FOR A SUGGESTION ON WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU? IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
I, I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME SINCE I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATIONS FOR, FOR ME TO SAY, I MEAN, AT WHAT LEVEL DO WE, THERE'S THERE AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S, THERE'S LANGUAGE IN HERE, WHICH I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, WHICH IS ABOUT, DEPENDS UPON THE AVAILABILITY OF THE EQUIPMENT, DEPENDS UPON ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY, DEPENDS UPON TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF THAT LANGUAGE, WHICH, WHICH SAYS, THERE ARE REASONS WHY I'M NOT ABLE TO DO THIS, AND MAYBE THERE'S REASONS WHY I'M NOT ABLE TO REACH WHATEVER PERCENTAGE I'VE TOLD YOU.
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HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT OUR TOLERANCE LEVEL IS.UNLESS WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TABLE THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY NEVER GOING TO, WE'RE DONE.
LIKE, THIS ORDINANCE IS DONE AND WE'RE REALLY SORRY AND WE'RE GONNA WALK IT BACK.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THESE CONVERSATIONS.
I JUST, I THINK MAYOR, PERHAPS, PERHAPS OTHER PEOPLE, PERHAPS WE COULD JUST LEAVE HER CALL COMMENTS AS COMMENTS AND HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE EVEN ON THE IDEA OF WHETHER A TRIGGER MAKES SENSE.
I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO FINISH.
I'M SORRY, ARE YOU POINTING TO, UM, UH, JESSICA, WERE YOU POINTING TO SOMEBODY ELSE? I SHOULD.
NO, I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU, I DIDN'T MEAN THAT I WAS GOING TO INTERRUPT.
YOU ARE NOT DONE, I ASSUME WITH YOUR QUESTIONS, RIGHT? NO, I, I THINK THAT THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE ANSWERS WILL BE.
AND THIS IS WHY, UH, IN THE LATEST ITERATION THAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY, PERCENTAGES WERE PROVIDED OF THEIR INVENTORY, BUT IT TURNS OUT IT'S CAN BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING IN THE EVENT OF, UH, RED ROCK, OH H V BECAUSE THEY CYCLED THROUGH THEIR INVENTORY.
SO WHILE THEY MAY HAVE 90% DONE AT ONE PARTICULAR TIME, AND JIMMY LET ME KNOW IF I'M WRONG, UH, AND THEY, 90% DONE AND A NEW FLEET COMES IN AND THE OLD FLEET GOES OUT, NOW THEY'RE BACK DOWN.
SO IT'S HARD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN GET TIME TO BRING IT UP TO 90% OR A HUNDRED PERCENT OR 95%, WHATEVER THEIR, THE DOCUMENT READS.
SO THAT'S WHY IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING, BUT WE NEED TO, I, I REALLY FEEL THAT THERE'S A NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ELIMINATING THE ORDINANCE.
THAT IS NOT PERSONALLY MY INTENTION AT ALL.
I FEEL THAT THERE'S, UH, THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR THAT, THE TRIGGER.
I WOULD LIKE TO TURN TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO GET THEIR OPINION, SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH.
BUT IT IS A VIABLE QUESTION AND I APPRECIATE IT.
BRIAN, YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY BEFORE I GO TO THE OTHER SIDE? PLEASE HAVE GOT QUESTIONS.
I WAS GONNA SAY, GIVEN THAT WE'RE IN QUESTIONS STILL, UH, PROCESS WISE, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
UH, FIRST KURT, THANK YOU FOR, UH, WORKING ON THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IN 10 30, 20.
I THINK IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR NOW, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY FOR, UH, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, WELCOME BACK.
I'M IMPRESSED THAT YOU'RE STILL HERE.
THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO ENGAGE AND IT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
IT'S NOT EASY, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE DOING WHAT I BELIEVE YOU THINK IS YOUR BEST.
SO THANK YOU, UH, WHEN YOU WERE HERE.
LAST, I, I'M GONNA ASK KIND OF THE SAME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I JUST WANNA KNOW THE UPDATE.
UH, IN ITEM THREE, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MONITORING BY G P S AND ITEM THREE IS ABOUT SPEED, BUT YOU'RE NOT, HAVEN'T REALLY COMMITTED IN WORDS THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND I ASKED ABOUT PRIVATE ENFORCEMENT OF SPEED THROUGH YOUR CONTRACTS, AND HOW DID THAT CONVERSATION GO AMONGST YOU, AND WHY DID THAT NOT MAKE A FINAL AGREEMENT? WELL, DID YOU GUYS GO
THE, THE G P S MONITORING SYSTEMS, UM, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT I FIND IS, IS THE, UM, MONITORING OF THE SYSTEM ITSELF.
SO, IN OTHER WORDS, IF I HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO KIND OF HAVE ACCESS TO THAT MONITORING SYSTEM, BUT THERE'S 20 VEHICLES OUT, IT'S VERY TOUGH TO BE ABLE TO TWO REAL TIME MONITOR THAT SYSTEM PER VEHICLE.
SO IF SOMEBODY CAME BACK WITH THE VEHICLE AND THEN THEY WENT ON THEIR MERRY WAY, AND THEN LATER WE LOOKED AT IT AND GO, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD AT LEAST A PHONE CALL TO THEM TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR BEHAVIOR.
UM, IT'S VERY TOUGH AS FAR AS THE MANPOWER GOES IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH AN ENFORCEMENT OF REAL TIME ON, ON THE G P S OR OF THE SPEEDING INSTANCE.
UM, WE, WE DON'T QUITE HAVE THE GEOFENCING FIGURED OUT YET.
UM, IT'S STILL A PROCESS IN THE WORKS.
UM, THIS MIGHT NOT COM YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY ANSWER THE QUESTION.
UM, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE AND IT JUST HAS TO BE FIGURED OUT AND IT TAKES TIME AND WE ALL USE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. UM, SO AGAIN, WHAT MIGHT WORK IN MY SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK IN HIS SYSTEM, UM,
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TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON A SOLUTION TO THE, THE G P S OR THE SPEED LIMIT ARE THE ENFORCEMENT OF ACTIVITIES IS, AND THANKS JIMMY FOR THAT, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT MAYBE THE TECHNOLOGY ISN'T QUITE THERE TO DO AUTO NOTICING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, YOUR EMPLOYEES COULD GET MORE REAL TIME, UH, NOTICE OF, OF SPEED LIMIT VIOLATIONS OR ANY OTHER VIOLATIONS THAT YOU PUT IN GEO-FENCING.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND HOPEFULLY OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR FEEDBACK TO YOUR SUPPLIERS OF WHATEVER SOFTWARE YOU'RE USING, THAT THAT MIGHT BE, UH, ANOTHER AREA OF GROWTH IN THIS.
DO YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL DISAGREEMENT WITH DOING PRIVATE ENFORCEMENT IF THE TECHNOLOGY WERE THERE? I, I, I THINK IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU MEAN BY PRIVATE ENFORCEMENT.
IF YOU SAY NO, 35 OVER 35, AND YOU SEE THERE'S 35, YOU USED THEIR DEPOSIT AS WELL, WE GOVERN A HUNDRED PERCENT, SO THEY CAN'T GO OVER 35.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING COVERED, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR HIS COMPANY, FOR HIS COMPANY, OTHER PLACES.
BUT, BUT THEY SUGGEST, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY STICKY THING, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING A SPEED AS AN ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE UNITS THAT THAT REALLY ISN'T AN ISSUE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TOLD US IN SEDONAS NOT AN ISSUE.
THAT SPEED DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE DOING DONUTS OUT THERE AND ROLLING 'EM OVER.
IF THEY WERE DOING DONUTS, WOULD YOU USE YOUR DEPOSIT TO DISCOURAGE THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR? IF, IF THEY TIP 'EM OVER, THEY LOSE THEIR DEPOSIT AND USUALLY WHEN THEY DO DONUTS, THEY, THEY TIP 'EM ALONG, BUT THAT'S IN THE FOREST, NOT IN THE CITY.
THIS AGREEMENT IMPLIES EVERYWHERE.
AND SO I DON'T WANNA BE TOO MUCH OF A STICKLER ON THAT.
I THINK I HEAR YOU'RE SAYING THAT AS TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPS, YOU'LL, YOU CAN DO MORE, BUT YOU KNOW, I ASKED ABOUT DOING DONUTS, WHICH IS A DAMAGING BEHAVIOR IN THE BACK COUNTRY.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT DONUTS.
WOULD YOU ENFORCE YOUR CUSTOMERS DOING IN IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR THAT YOU NOTICE IF THE SYSTEM WERE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT THE SYSTEM COULD, COULD FIGURE THAT OUT? YES.
UH, JUST REAL QUICK ALSO, UM, WE DO HAVE AN EDUCATION PROCESS AND THERE'S A, EVERYONE GETS TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU ROLL THE VEHICLE OVER FROM DOING DONUTS.
UM, AND IT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT IN PLACE THAT THEY, THEY WILL DRIVE IN A RESPECTABLE MANNER.
AND OBVIOUSLY DONUTS ARE IN OUR FORMS, IN OUR CONTRACTS.
UM, THAT'S PART OF THE EDUCATION PROCESS THAT'S IN ALSO INVOLVING EVOLVING AND AN ONGOING PROCESS, WHAT WE PUT IN THERE IN ORDER TO CORRECT, CORRECT THE BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE THAT GO OUT AND USE THESE VEHICLES.
AND ALSO THE WORKING ON THESE TRAILS TO ELIMINATE PLACES THEY CAN DO DONUTS WITH THE ROCK FUND.
THAT THAT'S A HUGE THING ALSO.
SO THE NEXT QUESTION THEN I'LL ASK NOT SURPRISINGLY, IS ABOUT THE TIRES.
TIRES DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE AGREEMENT EITHER.
AND I'M ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THAT A DIFFERENT TIRE COULD SOLVE, NOT SOLVE, IMPROVE NOISE ISSUES ON THE STREETS AS THEY OPERATE IN THE CITY.
UH, JUST FOR FUN, I, I DID ACQUIRE A NEW VEHICLE AND, AND THE TIRES THAT CAME WITH IT ARE WIDE SPACED.
AND I DROVE BOTH VEHICLES, A VEHICLE THAT WAS, CAME WITH THE WIDER, MORE AGGRESSIVE TIRES, AND THEN THE TIRES THAT I USE AS REPLACEMENT.
AND THE REPLACEMENT TIRES ARE A MUCH TIGHTER TREAD AND THEY DEFINITELY SOUND A LOT QUIETER.
THEY MAKE LESS TIRE NOISE THAN THE MORE AGGRESSIVE OFF-ROAD TIRES.
SO IN, AS I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, MY SYSTEM IS, IS IS TRY TO GET THESE QUIETER, CLOSER TREAD PATTERNS ON THE VEHICLES AND THEN WHENEVER THEY DO GET REPLACED, THEY GET REPLACED WITH THAT TYPE OF TIRE.
HOW THE REST OF YOU FEEL? WE DO THE SAME.
WE, WE REPLACE 'EM RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE WE GET LESS, UH, FLATS AND IT'S A PAIN TO GO OUT THERE AND CHANGE TIRES.
SO WE CHANGE 'EM TO TIRES THAT PROBABLY MEET D O T SPECS.
BUT YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CERTAINLY QUIETER.
THEY DON'T GET FLATS SAFER, SO, SO WE JUST DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH TIRES.
OUR PARTICULAR MANUFACTURER DESIGNS THE VEHICLES FOR THE TIRES THAT, THAT COME WITH.
THEY TEST ALL TYPES OF DIFFERENT TIRES.
NOT FOR NOISE, BUT FOR SAFETY AND FOR USE.
POLARIS ACTUALLY DOES TEST ON PAVEMENT IN J TURNS AND SPEED AND BRAKING.
UM, AND INCLUDED IN THAT IS ALSO THE, THE,
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BASICALLY THE OFF-ROAD SAFETY OF THOSE TIRES AS WELL.AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO LIABILITY AND SAFETY, POLARIS WANTS THE, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THESE USE AND, AND WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED THIS OF THESE VEHICLES IS OFF-ROAD.
AND SO THOSE TIRES ARE, ARE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FROM POLARIS FOR THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE.
AND, AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T SEND IT OUT TO BID FOR THE CHEAPEST TIRE.
THEY SEND IT OUT FOR WHAT'S, WHAT'S TESTED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT VEHICLE.
SO FOR US TO GO AND TRY AND FIND A QUIETER TIRE WOULD BE AGAINST ALL LIABILITY FOR, FOR OUR PARTICULAR MANUFAC MANUFACTURER.
AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT A MANUFACTURER LIKE POLARIS HAS, YOU KNOW, DONE A LOT OF TESTING.
I'M SURE THAT COMPANY I USED TO WORK FOR SELLS THEM EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT KIND OF TESTING
UM, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THEY BALANCE LOTS OF THINGS AND THEY'RE NOT JUST THINKING ABOUT SEDONA, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THE GUYS THAT GO OFF INTO THE DESERT AND WHERE IT'S OKAY TO GO OFF IN THE DESERT AND RIP THINGS UP.
AND THAT'S SOMEWHAT WHY A MANUFACTURER MAY SUPPLY MORE AGGRESSIVE TIRES.
AND I SURE WOULD BE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE USE CASE IN THE SEDONA AREA.
AND I WOULDN'T LIKE TO HEAR MORE OF A RESPONSE FROM THE MANUFACTURERS ON REALLY WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT SEDONAS USE CASE IN THE VEHICLES THAT OPERATE IN OUR AREA AND WHAT THE PROPER MIX OF SAFETY AND PERFORMANCE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, THEY DON'T NEED THE TOP END PERFORMANCE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING OUT IN OUR TERRAIN TO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF AND THEY'RE NOT ON LOOSE SAND.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A QUESTION THAT I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO PUSH THE MANUFACTURERS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU, YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON THE ROADS AND ROAD NOISE IS A PROBLEM AND IT WOULD BE BETTER PERHAPS FOR OUR COMMUNITY IF THE MANUFACTURERS WOULDN'T MOVE A LITTLE ON THAT ISSUE.
UM, YOU ON NUMBER EIGHT, PROOF OF COMPLETION OF THE COMMITMENT ITEMS WILL BE PROVIDED ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN, IS THERE, IS IT, I I HEARD COUNCILOR DUNN SAY QUARTERLY, I DON'T SEE THAT IN HERE.
UM, UH, I'D LIKE SOME LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY ON, ON WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT OR CONCERNS OR THOUGHTS? ANY SUGGESTIONS? YEAH.
WELL WE, WE DID DISCUSS MEETING QUARTERLY.
CURRENTLY WE'RE MEETING APPROXIMATELY ONCE A MONTH RIGHT NOW.
IS THAT, WHEN YOU SAY PROOF OF COMPLETION OF OUR COMMITMENT ITEMS, UM, DOES THAT REQUIRES A MEETING? WELL, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S ALSO, UH, IF IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS OR IF ANY, IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS OR ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AND, AND AND OVERCOME RIGHT.
AT SOME POINT THOUGH, THAT GROUP IS GOING TO PROBABLY NOT BE IN EFFECT ANYMORE.
AND THE REPORTING WILL BE JUST ON A REGULAR BASIS TO THE CITY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING, LOOKING TOWARD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, I HOPE.
UM, AND SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD SORT OF BE, I SORT OF BE INTERESTED ON WHAT A REGULAR BASIS WOULD MEAN FOR YOU ON THAT MORE ONGOING BASIS.
AND, UM, SO THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I, I'VE GIVEN THIS SOME THOUGHT AND TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS.
UH, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN A SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWS MM-HMM.
AND FOR YOUR REVIEW, UM, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED A TIMELINE ON THAT.
WE'LL JUST SAY THAT ALL ITEMS ARE ARE ACHIEVED AND YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ONGOING LEVEL.
I JUST YEAH, ALL I'M ASKING, I MEAN THAT, THAT LOOKS GOOD TO ME, RIGHT, JESSICA? WE COULD DO THAT QUARTERLY.
WE COULD, WE CAN CONTINUE THE COMMITTEE AS LONG AS WE'RE ALL SEATED IN ON COUNCIL, WE CAN, UH, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM MEETING WITH QUARTERLY.
WELL, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, AND THEN WE PASS IT ALONG TO THE, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE COUNCIL SETTING UP A PERMANENT COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH A PARTICULAR INTEREST GROUP.
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
NO, I'M JUST TELLING YOU AN ANSWER TO WHAT YOU SAID.
I SAY, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT A REGULAR BASIS, QUARTERLY SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME.
SOMETHING THAT'D BE JUST SUBMITTED.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD LOOK AT IT, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, OR EVEN JUST STATEMENTS, YOU KNOW.
UM, SO I WOULD SORT OF LIKE, LIKE IT PUT IN THERE, BE IN IN WRITING OR SOMETHING.
BE DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, BRIAN, A COMMENT ON THAT? YEAH, I WAS GONNA LET HIM, WELL, I THOUGHT HE HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE HE DOES WHEN I WAS LETTING YOU FINISH.
JUST, UH, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, THE
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PARAGRAPH BELOW EIGHT UHHUHSO I THINK THAT IS SPEAKING TO WHAT YOU'RE, I KNOW, REFERRING TO, WELL I HAVE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THREE COUNSELORS GOING FOR REGULAR QUARTERLY MEETINGS.
IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME THAT THAT'S, I, I, YEAH, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.
UM, BUT LET'S SEE, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, WHICH, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE RE YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE VERIFICATION IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT.
IS THAT WHAT THIS TELLS ME? YES, MA'AM.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK WITH OUR STAFF IF WE HAVE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO DO IT.
IF YOU FIRST, UH, KURT, GO AHEAD.
UH, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE G S R C, BUT NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, CLIFF HAMILTON, WHO I TALKED WITH THIS WEEKEND.
AND HE'S GOING TO, UH, HE REALIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF JUST HAVING A REPORTING OVERSIGHT AND HE, OF PEOPLE QUARTERLY COMING AND CHECKING, HE'S GOING TO LOOK AND SEE IF HE CAN, UH, GET A GROUP OF, UH, VOLUNTEERS TOGETHER TO DO SOME INSPECTIONS, UH, OF THE O HVS.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE GS, NOT THE G S R C, ONSIGHT TO THE ROCK GROUP, TO K S B.
AND NEITHER ONE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, UH, HAVE INTEREST OR THE MANPOWER TO DO WHAT'S BEING ASKED.
SO, UM, I THINK IF CLIFF HAMILTON CAN COME THROUGH WITH SOME PEOPLE, UH, HE SEEMS VERY COMMITTED TO ME THAT HE WANTS TO DO THAT, AS OPPOSED TO WELL, WE SHOULD, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT AT A LATER POINT TOO.
I'M JUST TRYING TO ANSWER THE CON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE HERE? I JUST WANNA LET PEOPLE KNOW, I HAD INVITED AMY TINDERHOLT TO COME AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, ISSUES, UH, THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED.
SHE WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND AND SHE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY DOWN IN TUCSON AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE.
UH, SHE GAVE ME A WRITTEN DOCUMENT, I COULD READ IT.
I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PRINT IT IN T YOU KNOW, IN TIME, BUT IF YOU ALL FINE WITH ME READING IT, I WOULD DO THAT, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU NOT TO BE IN THE KNOW OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
OTHERWISE I CAN PRINT IT OUT, UH, LATER.
WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER? YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? NO.
I WOULD PREFER YOU TO READ IT LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US AS WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.
UM, SO IN A CALL THURSDAY, YOU, UH, YOU MAY WAS LOOKING FOR SOME BETTER CLARITY ON TWO QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE COUNCIL'S PROPOSED ORDINANCE DISCUSSION.
UH, DOES, DOES THE FOREST SERVICE HAVE AN EASEMENT ON MORGAN ROAD THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC ACCESSING, UH, PUBLIC LAND TO USE, UH, UTVS OR OTHER VEHICLES THAT MAY BE BANNED ON CITY STREETS? ON THE CITY, UH, OWNED MORGAN ROAD? AND WE HAD BEEN TOLD FOR YEARS THAT THERE WAS SUCH A BAN FROM THE FOREST.
UH, AN EASEMENT, I SHOULD SAY.
IT TURNS OUT THERE IS NOT FOREST SERVICE EMPLOYEES, VOLUNTEERS, AND VISITORS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH CITY ORDINANCES ON CITY OWNED LAND.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LEARNED THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL JUSTICE I RECEIVED THIS.
UH, THE OTHER THING WAS ABOUT THE, UH, G S R C IN THE PERMIT SYSTEM, UH, IF THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATIONAL COLLABORATIVE, THE G S R C AND THE O H V WORKING COMMITTEE SUPPORT LIMITING ENTRY PERMITS WITH THE FOREST SERVICE PERMIT, UH, SEDONA RENTAL COMPANIES.
AND, UH, FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, FROM WHAT IT SAYS HERE, I AM NOT ABLE TO GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO THIS BECAUSE FOREST SERVICE DECISIONS, DECISIONS, EXCUSE ME, ARE SUBJECT TO FORMAL DIS UH, DECISION MAKING PROCESS THAT MAKES IN THAT MAY INCLUDE PUBLIC SCOPING AND THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
THE FOREST SERVICE IS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATIONAL COLLABORATIVE AND THE O H V WORKING GROUP AS THE BEST WAY TO ACCESS COMPLEX ISSUES AND IDENTIFY STRATEGIES TO REDUCE O H V IMPACTS WHILE CONTINUE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE MOTORIZED ACCESS WITHIN THE RED ROCK COMMUNITY SURROUNDING SEDONA.
THE O H V WORKING GROUP IS CONS, UH, CONSIDERING O H V PERMITS AS A STRATEGY TO, UH, ADDRESS, UH, ISSUES RELATED TO O H V RECREATION.
IF THE G S R C PRESENTS PERMITTING, UH, TO THE FOREST SERVICE AS A PROPOSED STRATEGY, THE FOREST SERVICE
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WOULD BEGIN THE PROCESS OF FULLY EXPLORING THE, THE ACTION THROUGH THE NEPA, UH, PROCESS.PERMITTING CAN'T, UH, TAKE MANY FORMS AND THEY, UH, WILL, UH, STILL BE, UH, WORK NEEDED TO EVALUATE THESE APPROACHES AND PRESENT THEM TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT.
UH, HOW TO PROVIDE FAIR ACCESS TO THE PERMITS, UH, BY THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING THE RENTAL COMPANIES, WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT EVALUATION CRITERIA, UH, FOR THE PERMIT SYSTEM.
THE FOREST MAY CONSIDER ISSUING COMMERCIAL PERMITS, UH, TO THE O H V SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPANIES AS PART OF THE OVERALL APPROACH TO MANAGING USE.
COMMERCIAL PERMITS ARE SUBJECT TO NEPA AND A AND A COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
SO, UM, THEY GO, SHE GOES INTO, UH, THE PROPOSED CITY ORDINANCE AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT, I CAN GO THROUGH THAT TOO.
THE FOLLOWING O H V RECREATIONAL DESTINATIONS DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE TRAILHEADS THAT ACCOMMODATE TRAILERS.
O H V OPERATORS AFFECTED BY THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE UNABLE TO ACCESS THESE AREAS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
THIS IS, AGAIN, IF THE ORDINANCE WERE TO GO THROUGH BROKEN ARROW ROAD DUE TO TERRAIN LIMITATIONS EXPANDING BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, TRAILERS IS UNLIKELY.
SCHLEY HILL ROAD, DUE TO THE SHORT SECTION OF THE CITY, OWNED AN OPERATED ROAD BETWEEN, UH, SSR 1 79, ANDY HILL ROAD FOREST SERVICE 1 5 3 O H V OPERATORS AFFECTED BY THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE UNABLE TO ACCESS THE AREA.
DUE TO TERRAIN LIMITATIONS EXPANDING THE SOLDIER PASSED TRAILHEAD TO ACCOMMODATE TRAILERS IS UNLIKELY.
IN 2018, THE, THE FOREST SERVICE IMPLEMENTED A, UH, LIMITED USE PERMIT FOR MOTORIZED USE, ALLOWING NO MORE THAN 12 OHVS PER DAY.
THIS PERMIT WOULD NOT EXEMPT THE PUBLIC FROM COMPLYING WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE.
VAULTY ARCH O H V OPERATORS AFFECTED BY THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE UNABLE TO VER DIRECTLY ACCESS THE VAULTY ARCH AREA FROM SEDONA.
OPERATORS MAY ACCESS DRY CREEK TRAILHEAD FROM THE WEST VIA THE API COUNTY SECTION OF DRY CREEK ROAD.
UH, THE FOREST SERVICE HAS NOT ACCESSED THE FEASIBILITY TO BUILD A NEW O H V PARKING AREA FOR TRAILERS ALONG DRY CREEK ROAD.
IF O H V OPERATORS BEGIN A TRAIL TO TRAILER THEIR OHVS TO THIS, UH, ARIZONA CYPRESS TRAILHEAD, IT MAY CREATE CONFLICT WITH, UH, A COMMERCIALLY PERMITTED HAIER BALLOON COMPANY'S PUBLIC USE, UH, PUBLIC USING THE AREA FOR TARGET SHOOTING.
AND OTHER TRAILHEAD USERS, UH, LIKE, UH, HIKERS AND MOUNTAIN BIKES, THE, THE FOLLOWING O H V RECREATIONAL AREAS HAVE TRAILHEAD THAT ACCOMMODATE A LIMITED NUMBER OF TRAILERS.
DIAMONDBACK GULCH, OUTLAW OUTLAW RANCH LOOP, KASNER, UH, MOUNTAIN, UH, POWER LINE, UH, SMASHER CANYON AND CLIFFHANGER.
IF DEMAND FOR TRAILER PARKING INCREASES, THE USE MAY EXCEED THE CAPACITY OF THE EXISTING, UH, PARKING AREAS RESULTING IN USER CONFLICT WITHIN THE PARKING AREA AND OVERFLOW PARKING ROADS.
SO, UH, THAT'S HER, UH, COMMENT.
SO BASICALLY THE WAY I'M READING THIS IS THAT IF WE DO INSTITUTE THE ORDINANCE, THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS FOR THEM BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT TRAILERS EVEN IF THEY WANT TO, TO TRAILER THEM IN.
SO, UM, I DID HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS, SO, OKAY.
WAIT, JESSICA, CAN I, CAN I JUST TO SPEAK TO THIS LETTER SURE.
AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO MY OTHER TWO QUESTIONS.
SO THOSE AREAS, CAN YOU GO DOWN THAT WERE MENTIONED THAT ARE TRAILER ACCESS AREAS? YES.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT TRAILER ACCESS, IT'S, IT'S ONLY THE, THE DIAMOND GOLD.
WHAT, HOW, HOW MUCH ARE THEY USED BY YOUR CUSTOMERS? SO THEY WERE DIAMONDBACK GULCH, GULCH, OUTLAW, RANCH LOOP, KASNER, MOUNTAIN POWER LINE, SMASHER CANYON, AND CLIFFHANGER.
DO YOU USE THEM AT ALL? THOSE ARE PRETTY WELL USED TRAILS BY, BY OUR CUSTOMERS.
UM, AND JUST TO NOTE, IF, IF ANY OF THOSE TRAIL HEADS, MAYBE TWO TRAILERS CURRENTLY COULD PARK THERE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM FOR TRAILER PARKING AT ANY OF THOSE TRAIL HEADS CURRENTLY.
SO ONE OR TWO, WHAT DO YOU SAY? LIKE, JUST FOR INSTANCE, OUTLAW TRAIL, WHEN YOU ENTER, WHEN YOU START THE TRAILER, THERE'S A LITTLE LOOP THERE RIGHT BY THE SIGN.
I COULD FORESEE ONE, MAYBE TWO TRUCK AND TRAILERS BEING ABLE TO BE PARKED THERE.
SO VERY LIMITED SPACE THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY GIVEN OR THAT IS ACCESSIBLE, UM, FOR TRAILER PARKING OF ANY SORT.
UH, NOT THAT SAY IT COULDN'T BE EXPANDED.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE FOREST SERVICE DECISION.
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THANK YOU.JESSICA, BEFORE YOU GO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF DAVE.
'CAUSE HE AND AND I HAD A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION DURING THE WEEKEND ABOUT NOISE.
AND BECAUSE HIS, UH, VEHICLES ARE HONDAS, ARE THEY ALL HONDAS? DAVE? WE HAVE TWO POLARS.
WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE POLARIS RAZORS THAT WE GOT.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THEM ARE HONDAS? THERE'S JUST A COUPLE.
WE TRY NOT TO RENT 'EM, BUT, SO, YOU KNOW.
SO, UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HONDAS AND RELATED TO NOISE? THEY'RE TRANSMISSIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE WEEKEND? OH YEAH.
WELL, THE HONDAS ALL HAVE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS INSTEAD OF THE, THE CLUTCHES AND THE BELTS, WHICH HELPS KEEP THOSE QUIETER.
THEY SEEM TO BE QUIETER MACHINES WITH THEIR EXISTING MUFFLERS.
NOBODY MAKES AN AFTERMARKET DIFFERENT MUFFLER TO MAKE THEM QUIETER YET.
UM, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, A HONDA GENERATOR, THEY COST MORE MONEY, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS THE QUIETEST, THE HONDA MACHINES ARE A LITTLE BIT QUIETER THAN THAN THE OTHER ONES.
AND THE TRENCH? THE TRENCH, UH, YEAH, I'M THE TRANSMISSION, THE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM I THINK MAKES A QUIETER TOO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA BY NUMBERS OF HOW THEY'RE, HOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY QUIETER? YOUR MUFFS ARE QUIETER THAN THE POLARIS AND THAN THE CANAM, WHICH WE CAN'T ASK RIPPY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE VEHICLE AND WHAT SPEED AND DIS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MEASURE THAT AT WITH A EXPENSIVE METER.
SO WE, WE HAVEN'T TRIED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND THEN WE'LL GO TO JESSICA AND THEN I HAVE DO SOME MORE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THESE ARE IN REGARD TO THE ENFORCEABILITY OF ANYTHING IN THESE, UM, IN THIS VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.
NOTHING IS REALLY ENFORCEABLE IN TERMS OF, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE AGREEING IT'S A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.
SO MY QUESTION, AND THIS GOES TO THE QUESTION I THINK OF TRIGGERS, WHICH IS, IS IT TRUE THAT THE CITY CAN BASICALLY DECIDE WITHOUT ANY TRIGGERS OR ANY CRITERIA TO PUT THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE? YES.
THE, THE BACKSTOP, THE AUTOMATIC BACKSTOP LIKE WE DISCUSSED, IS IF THERE IS A MOTION TO DEFER CONSIDERATION OF THIS ORDINANCE, ANYONE VOTING IN THE PREVAILING SIDE COULD WITHIN 60 DAYS RECON BRING THAT UP FOR RECONSIDERATION.
AFTER THE 60 DAYS, ANY TWO COUNSELORS COULD IZE THE ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO NEXT, NEXT YEAR AT ABOUT THIS TIME OR IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NEW COUNCIL.
A NEW COUNCIL COULD DECIDE TO JUST, THEY HATE THE IDEA OF A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA PUT THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
UM, THEY'RE NOT BOUND THEN ANY NEW COUNCIL WOULD NOT BE BOUND BY ANY CRITERIA THIS COUNCIL PUT IN PLACE FOR DETERMINING WHEN TO, TO PULL THE PLUG COR CORRECT.
COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, IN THE MATTER OF LIT OF LEGISLATION, UM, COUNSELS CANNOT BIND FUTURE COUNCILS.
AND IN TERMS OF DETERMINING IF, IF, IF WE DID DECIDE THE GENERALITY OF THIS PARTICULAR VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, WOULD YOU SAY IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO ESTABLISH? WELL, I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S GOING, THAT'S A BRIDGE WAY TOO FAR.
SO, UM, I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT'S NOT ON THE AGREEMENT, BUT SEE HOW, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO A HUNDRED PERCENT IN A, UH, WITHIN A 18 MONTH PERIOD BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON, RIGHT? UH, YOU HAVE SOME PRETTY AGGRESSIVE NUMBERS HERE.
UH, BUT YOU CAN'T DO NONE OF THEM REALLY SHOW.
UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT I BELIEVE.
AM I INCORRECT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT.
I MEAN, I PUT 95% JUST IN CASE WE HAVE A BRAND NEW ONE THAT'S HASN'T RIGHT.
WE HAVE ABOUT HALF OF OURS DONE WITH THE TURN INDICATORS, PROBABLY IN ANOTHER THREE, FOUR WEEKS.
ALL OF THOSE WILL BE DONE, BUT OKAY.
UH, AND WHILE, UH, DAVE WAS MENTIONING, UH, TURN SIGNALS, CAN YOU THE OTHER GENTLEMAN ADDRESS TURN SIGNALS? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? HAVE YOU DONE, WILL YOU DO? 'CAUSE THAT IS, UH, ANOTHER COMPLAINT THAT, UH, BELOW, UH, SOUND THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR SOME RESIDENTS.
UM, I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF FINDING THE RIGHT
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ONES THAT WORK FOR MY VEHICLES.UM, I HAVE THAT COMPLETELY FIGURED OUT AND IT'S JUST REALLY GETTING THE, THE ITEMS IN STOCK AND THEN THE TIME TO PUT 'EM ON.
AND THAT'D BE PRETTY MUCH A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND HOW LONG WILL THAT STATE EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SWAPPING OUT IN FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS, YOU'LL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND FOR HOW LONG? THEY WOULD BE A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG TO GET THE PRODUCT OR THE ITEM IN STOCK AND THEN PUT ON IT, IT WOULD BE PRETTY RARE IF, IF YOU SHOWED UP AT MY SHOP AND ALL MY VEHICLES DIDN'T HAVE BLINKERS ON.
JIMMY? UH, SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT, AT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAYS ON OUR VEHICLES AS WELL.
UM, THAT WORK WITH THE MANUFACTURER? CAN'T HEAR YOU.
WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE MANUFACTURER TO FIND WHAT, WHAT, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TURN SIGNAL SETUPS FOR DIFFERENT VEHICLES.
SO DO YOU HAVE, BUT AS THE VEHICLES BACK TO YOUR KIND OF WHEN YOU STARTED, UM, IS OUR FLEET ROTATES BASICALLY EVERY FOUR TO SIX MONTHS.
AND SO WHEN 2024 MODELS COME OUT, 2025 MODELS COME OUT.
THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T GUARANTEE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ANYTHING BECAUSE SOME OF THESE MODELS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE MAPPED TO BE GOVERNED AT SPECIFIC SPEEDS AT EXACTLY 35 MILES PER HOUR.
SOME OF THEM MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THE NEW EXHAUST THAT, THAT POLARIS JUST WORKED ON, RETROFITTING FOR THE VEHICLES.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO THINK AND ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD BE QUIETER, UM, YOU KNOW, AS THEY COME FROM THE MANUFACTURER STOCK.
UM, AND SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T COMMIT TO A HUNDRED PERCENT.
HAS POLARIS COMMITTED TO YOU TO, WHEN THEY SHIP YOU, UH, NEW VEHICLES, CAN THEY STOCK THEM WITH THE QUIETER MUFFS? CAN THEY PUT DIRECTIONAL SIGNALS ON ON FOR YOU? I MEAN, THEY'RE MAKING, THEY'VE MADE OTHER AL ALTER ALTERATIONS JUST FOR SEDONA.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE MADE AFTERMARKET ALTER ALTERATIONS AND I, I DON'T WANNA SAY AFTERMARKET 'CAUSE IT'S THE MANUFACTURER, BUT YEAH, THEY HAVE IN-HOUSE DESIGNED A SPECIFIC EXHAUST JUST FOR OUR 2023 MODELS.
SO WHEN YOU RECEIVE THEM, CAN THEY HAVE THEM ON THERE? DID YOU EVER FIND OUT IF THAT, IF, OR DO YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM ON NO, WE HAVE NOT FOUND THAT.
AND I HAVEN'T GOT THE CALL BACK CORRECT FROM THEM AS WELL.
SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT ALTERED, AND DAVE, I KNOW YOU'RE ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.
UH, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY, UH, ANY PROBLEM NOT PUTTING OUT VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT ALTERED IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE MUFFLERS, THE NEW MUFFLERS, BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO BE PUT ON NOT RENTING THOSE OUT? WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY? IT, IT TAKES TIME.
WHEN YOU GET A NEW VEHICLE, YOU NORMALLY HAVE THAT TIME TO DO IT.
SO IN A NORMAL EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE OF A, OF A VEHICLE YOU NORMALLY HAVE ANTICIPATED AND HAVE THE TIME IN ORDER TO, ONCE THAT VEHICLE'S RECEIVED, THEN YOU CAN HAVE ALL THESE ITEMS INSTALLED ON IT PRIOR TO IT.
I DON'T FORESEE REALLY, UM, BEING IT WOULD BE A RARE OCCURRENCE IF A VEHICLE WENT OUT THAT WASN'T UP TO OUR COMMITMENT.
AND THEN WE TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT MORGAN ROAD AND WE KNOW THAT, UH, YOU HAVE ALL FOUR, INCLUDING RIPPY HAS AGREED THAT EXCEPT FOR WHEN THE FOREST SHUTS DOWN, EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU DON'T USE MORGAN ROAD ANYWAY.
AND IT'S MAYBE 20 DAYS, 10 DAYS, IT'S, WHO KNOWS, DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER, A FAIR ASSESSMENT, UH, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME YOU USE MORGAN ROAD.
BUT IF WE DID AN ORDINANCE, UH, THAT WOULD JUST BE RESTRICTIVE FOR MORGAN ROAD, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THAT
NO, WE, WE COULDN'T REALLY DO THAT.
SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO GET ON THE RECORD.
SO, UH, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE DO, UH, COMMENTS.
SO IF WE COULD TURN THE LIGHTS ON.
AND CRAIG SWANSON
YEAH, BUT READY TO, I'LL START EARLY AND GET A COUPLE EXTRA SECONDS.
UM, SPEAKING TODAY, AS FOR MYSELF AND AS A MEMBER OF G S R C, RECOGNIZING THAT NO INDIVIDUAL SPEAKS FOR ALL OF G S R C, RIGHT? UH, I WANNA SAY FIRST YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A COUNT ON OHVS BY THE STICKERS, THE STATE ISSUE STICKERS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
SECOND SPEED IS AN ISSUE HERE, UH, AS WELL AS IRRESPONSIBLE DRIVING.
AND THE REASON IS THE DAMAGE THAT'S DONE TO WILDLIFE, TO VEGETATION FROM SPEEDING VEHICLES ON THE UNPAVED
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ROADS.THIS IS SOMETHING THAT G G S R C IS GONNA BE WORKING ON FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND.
THERE AREN'T ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YET FROM G SS R C.
ONE OF THE ITEMS TALKS ABOUT SUPPORTING CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE GOAL OF G S R C CURRENTLY IS TO HAVE A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN FOREST SERVICE LANGUAGE USING THEIR FORMAT AND THEIR TEMPLATE BY 1231 OF 23.
AND MY FEELING ABOUT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF SECONDARY ISSUES LIKE RESTORATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT, MONITORING THE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT THE TWO MOST LIKELY CANDIDATES FOR HELPING SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN MY MIND, ARE GONNA BE VOLUME AND SPEED.
THE GROUP, WHEN IT'S GOT TOGETHER HAS TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF O H V TRAFFIC WERE AT THE LEVEL IT WAS AT EIGHT YEARS AGO, SEVEN YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
THE PROBLEM IS VOLUME AND THE PROBLEM IS SPEED.
THERE ARE SOME TOUCH POINTS THAT I THINK YOU GUYS CONSIDER, UH, ONE OF 'EM IS THAT THE RENTAL COMPANIES SUPPORT IN WRITING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF G S R C.
IT'S ONE THING TO SAY WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THEM TO SUPPORT, UH, ON PERMITTING OR ON SPEED.
UH, THAT MY TIME IS GOING REALLY QUICKLY RIGHT NOW.
WHAT IS THAT SECOND THAT THEY MEET THE O H V COMPANY GOALS? THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT OUT, THAT THOSE ARE IN FACT MET THIRD, THAT THEY CAN SUPPLY G P S DATA FOR INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
ALL OF THOSE SYSTEMS HOLD THAT DATA.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED AT WHICH COMPANY IT IS, I DON'T CARE AT ALL.
BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPLY THAT GRANULAR DATA THAT THEN SOMEBODY EVALUATES TO DETERMINE IF PEOPLE ARE BEING RESPONSIBLE.
AND FINALLY, THE MONITORING PART.
UH, I KNOW THAT TREAD LIGHTLY SAID NO ON THAT.
UM, K S B IS NOT IN A POSITION TO DO IT, UNFORTUNATELY.
I'M STILL GONNA BRING IT UP TO OUR BOARD IN OUR MEETING NEXT WEEK.
BUT MY SENSE IS THAT THE ORGANIZATION IS GONNA SAY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO THAT'S WAY OUTSIDE OF OUR MISSION.
UM, AND FINALLY, UH, I THINK YOU SHOULD TABLE THE ORDINANCE TO A DATE CERTAIN, WHICH IS 3 31 24.
THAT GIVES YOU TIME FOR THE G S R C RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE IN, IN, FOR THE COMPANIES TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA SUPPORT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OTHER MONITORING TO BE DONE.
AND DON'T TABLE IT INDEFINITELY.
OKAY, DAVE, YOU WANNA SPEAK? UH, YOU COULD, YOU COULD EITHER ONE.
NOW WE, THIS IS A NEW NUMBERING SYSTEM, JUST THE CLOCK.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THE NUMBERS GOING CRAZY, THAT'S YOUR SECONDS.
IT'S COUNTING DOWN YOUR SECONDS.
SO I, I JUST WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ALTERNATE ROUTE IDEA WE HAD THROUGH THE CULTURAL PARK.
COULD I HAVE A NAME AND YEAH, DAVE, DAVE GOTTA GIVE YOU A NAME.
SO, UH, SEDONA, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT IN SOME OF OUR MEETINGS.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT SIX YEARS AGO.
IT WOULD BE IN PLACE TODAY IF WE WOULD'VE STARTED BACK THEN.
BUT IT MAKES IT EASIER NOW BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS A CULTURAL PARK.
IF WE PUT AN ALTERNATE ROUTE TO THE FOREST STARTING ON THE CULTURAL PARK, IT ELIMINATES, WE, WE COULD MAKE ALL THE, ALL THE O H V RENTALS.
WE COULD REQUIRE THEM TO GO THAT WAY INSTEAD OF DRY CREEK ROAD.
I THINK THE JEEP TOUR COMPANIES WOULD USE IT AT LEAST ONE WAY.
UM, THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH MAYBE ACCESSING SOME ROADS THAT THAT WOULD BYPASS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT WOULD HELP A LOT, KEEP A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC OFF DRY CREEK ROAD.
ALSO, BECAUSE IT STARTS ON CITY PROPERTY.
THE CITY CAN HAVE THE VIDEO, THE TRAINING, YOU CAN STOP ALL THE VEHICLES AND SAY, DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO? UH, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF BEER IN THERE? HOW, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
BUT THE CITY COULD EDUCATE PEOPLE AND SO THAT WOULD BE A BIG ADVANTAGE THERE TOO.
SO I REALLY THINK THE, THE MONEY'S PROBABLY THERE THROUGH FISH AND GAME.
THE CITY, THE RENTAL COMPANIES DREAD LIGHTLY.
THE, THE FOREST SERVICE IS PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR YEAR PROJECTS.
SO WE, WE NEED TO REALLY START ON THAT.
THE FOREST SERVICE HAS NOT SAID NO TO IT, SO, BUT I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO PUT THE PRESSURE ON THAT AND LOOK AT THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED OR VETTED THROUGH THE COUNCIL AT ALL, SO, UH, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE COULD DO THAT.
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OKAY.SARAH WATTS, YOU KNOW THE DRILL NAME? SARAH WATTS.
I WOULD THE MIC PULL THE MIC NOW.
THANK, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO INDUL LIKE YOU TO INDULGE ME AND IMAGINE MINE.
NNNN DIAGRAM COMPOSED OF TWO CIRCLES.
ONE BEING THE ORDINANCE, THE OTHER BEING THE PROPOSED VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
AND, UM, ASK YOURSELF HOW MUCH THEY OVERLAP.
SO I'M HERE TO SAY, TO ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT I SEE ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, BUT NOT THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.
'CAUSE I REALLY DON'T SEE VERY MUCH OVERLAP BETWEEN WHAT ONE OF THEM ADDRESSES AND WHAT THE OTHER ONE ADDRESSES.
FOR ME, THE ORDINANCE LOOKING AT IT MORE CLOSELY THAN I DID THE LAST TIME I SPOKE FOR TO THIS BODY HAS A LOT OF POWER BEHIND IT IN TERMS OF STATE LAW AND IN TERMS OF THE VIABILITY THAT IT HAS TO ENSURE SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT CITES SOME STATE LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.
AND I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TWO OF THOSE STATE LAWS AND ONE STATE PERMIT REQUIREMENT.
I'M ALL, THIS IS BEING SAID IN MOVING TOWARD URGING YOU TO GET THE ORDINANCE OUT AND PASS IT FOR THE SAFETY AND THE SECURITY AND THE THINGS THAT YOU AS A CITY COUNCIL ARE BOUND TO DO FOR US AS CITIZENS.
AR 20 A R SS 28 6 2 6 B DELEGATES, AND I'M READING FROM THE ORDINANCE.
THE, UH, LAW ITSELF SHALL THAT CITIES LOCAL AUTHORITIES SHALL ADOPT ORDINANCES OR REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE CONTROL AND MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC.
I GET THIS INFORMATION FROM THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.
NUMBER TWO A R S 1174 DASH A DASH ONE SAYS THAT A PERSON, OH, SORRY, THAT A PERSON SHALL NOT DRIVE O H V VEHICLES WITH RECKLESS D DISREGARD FOR THE SAFETY OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY.
AGAIN, I'M READING FROM THE ORDINANCE.
UM, THE CITY IS ENFORCING THAT BY AFFIRMING THAT OUR ROADS ARE NOT OPEN AND THE STATE IS ENFORCING THAT BY THE AGREEMENT THAT PEOPLE THAT RENT THE FIVE-WAY VEHICLES HAVE TO SIGN IN WHICH THEY, THE OWNER PLEDGES OR CERTIFIES, SORRY, THAT THE VEHICLE MEETS FEDERAL AND STATE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.
YOU START WITH YOUR NAME, THE CITY THANK MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNSEL.
I'M MICHAEL WRIGHT, AND I LIVE IN WEST SEDONA AND HAVE FOR FOUR YEARS.
UH, FIRST I WANTED TO CORRECT THE RECORD, UH, THE, FROM THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING, WHICH INDICATED THAT I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE AGREEMENT AS IT, THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT AS IT WAS THEN WRITTEN.
UM, I MEANT TO SAY, TO BE CLEAR, AND I CONTINUE TO SAY THAT I THINK THIS PROCESS IS SOMETHING THAT I TOTALLY SUPPORT.
I THINK THE PROGRESS THAT HAD BEEN MADE, THE SPECIFICITY IS ALL JUSTIFIED AND IN BELIEF THAT THIS IS, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION HERE THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'D REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT TO CONTINUE.
UH, I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT I JUST DON'T SEE THE SAFETY ISSUE BEING ADDRESSED AT THE SAME CONCERN AS A LOT OF THE OTHER ISSUES, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT.
BUT SAFETY WAS WHAT REALLY GOT THIS PROCESS STARTED AND WAS AT THE HEART OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME.
BUT I, THESE OTHER ISSUES ARE ALSO IMPORTANT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA JUST GO AWAY.
AND SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THIS AND I HOPE IT'LL CONTINUE.
I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH HOW DO WE KEEP THIS PROCESS GOING WITHOUT
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ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, SORT OF FEELING LIKE THEY'VE WALKED AWAY.I WONDER IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO PASS THE ORDINANCE, BUT THEN WITH A VERY GOOD LONG, UH, PERIOD OF TIME OF GRACE PERIOD THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO BEGIN TO PUT THIS IN PLACE AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK, BASICALLY WHAT WAS SAID BEFORE AT A POINT CERTAIN, IT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING STOPS THEN, BUT IT SORT OF CREATES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ONGOING, THE METERS RUNNING AND IT MAKES IT HARDER TO SORT OF RUN OUT THE CLOCK.
UH, SO I THINK THAT MIGHT CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE OF THE, OF THE DOCUMENT AT ALL.
IT'S JUST TRYING TO CREATE A LITTLE SENSE OF URGENCY SO THAT WE DON'T ALL GO AWAY AND SAY, OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, BUT AGAIN, I, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT EVERYBODY FOR THE TIME THAT'S PUT INTO THIS AND I HOPE WE'LL KEEP GOING.
THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PROBLEM, BUT WE GOTTA LIVE TOGETHER HERE.
SO IT'S A SMALL TOWN AND, UM, I KEEP AT IT.
THERE, NO, THERE ARE NO FURTHER CARDS.
IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, JUST LET ME KNOW.
SEEING NO OTHERS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO START A LITTLE BIT BY SAYING I TOO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT, UH, COUNCILOR DUNN SAID ABOUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE TO PULL THAT TRIGGER? I DON'T SEE THAT COMING, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME IMPLEMENTATION TO SAY THERE'S NO COMPLIANCE OR IT'S NOT WORKING OR SOMETHING BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SEE THE ORDINANCE, UH, GO AWAY.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET, I CAN GET SOME INPUT FROM THE, THE OTHER COUNSELORS.
AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT, UM, UH, RIPPY IS NOT HERE TO REPRESENT HIS COMPANY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SPEAK FOR HIM AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A UNANIMOUS CHOICE AND DEC A DECISION FROM ALL FOUR COMPANIES.
SO THAT HAS ME A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED.
SO, UH, LET ME START ON THIS SIDE.
UH, JESSICA, DO YOU WANNA START? AND I'LL WORK MY WAY DOWN TO THIS SIDE.
YEAH, THERE'S NEARLY NO GOOD OPTION HERE.
UH, THERE'S NO PERFECT OPTION.
IT'S BASICALLY A CHOICE BETWEEN APPROVING A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT THAT'S VAGUE, I MEAN VAGUE IN A LOT OF WAYS, UM, UNENFORCEABLE IN ANY WAY ACTUALLY, UM, BUT CAN PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND KEEP BUSINESSES THAT EMPLOY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY BUSINESSES, BY THE WAY, THAT HAVE ESTABLISHED A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY, THAT HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY THAT ARE NOT COMMITTED TO AN ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY.
THE CITY'S RELATIONSHIP TO BUSINESSES IS NOT AS STRONG AS PERHAPS I WOULD LIKE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ABOUT, ABOUT THE CITY, AND I THINK THAT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH BUSINESS OWNERS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, SO WE EITHER DO THAT OR WE PASS AN OUT, UH, AN ORDINANCE THAT'S BASICALLY A NUCLEAR OPTION THAT SAYS WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REALLY FIGURE OUT ANYTHING BETTER TO DO, SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO BAN EVERYTHING AND, YOU KNOW, PUT, PUT BUSINESSES OUT OF, PUT BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS.
UM, IMPACT THE NUMBER HOWEVER MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ACTUALLY OWN THESE VEHICLES, UM, IMPACT THEM.
AND THAT WILL BE IN COURT FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE THAT WILL TURN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BUSINESSES AS ADVERSARIES TO THE CITY
UM, AND I THINK WE OWE IT NOT ONLY TO OUR, WE DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION ONLY TO RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO RESIDENTS BUSINESSES.
AND ACTUALLY, AS HORRIBLE AS IT SOUNDS TOURISTS, UM, I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND I THINK, I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS CAN'T BE WRITTEN MORE STRONGLY.
I THINK IT'S A, IT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER IF IT COULD, BUT I UNDERSTAND VERY WELL WHY IT CAN'T.
AND NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, I THINK MAYBE AN ONGOING LIAISON BETWEEN WHATEVER COUNCIL IT IS AND THE THEN THIS GROUP, UM, PROBABLY IS, IS A USEFUL THING.
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BACKING OFF OF, OF THAT.UM, I THINK A TRIGGER IS, IT'S A REALLY NICE IDEA, BUT I I THINK IT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE QUANTIFIED.
THE TRIGGER WOULD END UP BEING THAT THE CITY HAS DETERMINED THAT THE COMPANIES ARE NOT FULFILLING THEIR AGREEMENT UNDER.
I MEAN, THIS, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS.
IF I LOOK AT THIS, THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD OR COULDN'T HAPPEN.
WE HAVE NEW TIRES, SO NOW THAT WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE NEW EXPECTATIONS? AND IS THAT NOW A NEW CHANGE TO A TRIGGER THAT WE WOULD DO? I MEAN, I JUST THINK, I THINK, AND THE FACT THAT IT'S UNENFORCEABLE AND THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T POSSIBLY BIND EVEN OURSELVES TO, TO FOLLOWING IT IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT, IT MAKES TO ME NO SENSE AT ALL TO HAVE TO TRY AND SPECIFY TRIGGERS.
I'M SUPPOSED SOME GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT WE COULD, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO, TO FIND THAT THE COMPANIES AREN'T ADEQUATELY ADDRESSING THEIR COMMITMENTS.
BUT THAT IS THAT REALLY ANY BETTER
LIKE THEY DON'T MEET, THEY DON'T MEET 90%, THEY ONLY MEET 80%, BUT THEN THEY HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR ONLY DOING 80%.
I MEAN, A TRIGGER TO ME, ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF A TRIGGER, I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO, I DON'T THINK IT WORKS WITHIN A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT OF THIS, OF THIS TYPE.
UM, THERE MAY BE SOME LANGUAGE THAT COULD BE ADDED TO SUIT IT.
SO RIGHT NOW, AS A FIRST, A FIRST SLASH AT A COMMENT.
UH, LIKE MR. BRIGHT, I'D LIKE TO START BY CORRECTING THE RECORD AND JIMMY AND DAN, I'M SORRY THAT I GOT YOUR NAMES REVERSED TONIGHT.
I'M SO USED TO BRIAN AND PETE BEING CONFUSED THAT I'M NOW CONFUSED MYSELF.
AND SO LET THAT RECORD REFLECT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DIFFICULT PROCESS AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND I'M IMPRESSED THAT PEOPLE ARE SPENDING THE EFFORT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COME TO SOME RESOLUTIONS HERE, AND PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.
I, UH, EXPRESS EXPRESSED LAST TIME WE ALL WERE ALL TOGETHER SOME FRUSTRATION THAT I DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE FOREST SERVICE OR G S R C.
SO I WAS PARTICULARLY HAPPY TODAY THAT MS. TINDER HOLT, UH, COMMUNICATED WITH YOU AND, AND CRAIG SWANSON.
I'M APPRECIATIVE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT NOBODY CAN SPEAK FOR THESE GROUPS, BUT THERE'S GROUPS OUT THERE THAT ARE DOING GOOD WORK, AND I DON'T WANT MY DECISION TO SORT OF DERAIL GOOD WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANT FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT THESE GROUPS ARE THINKING IN TERMS OF IF WE MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHAT ARE THE PROS? WHAT ARE THE CONS? HOW'S IT GONNA COMPLICATE LIFE OR MAKE LIFE EASIER ON EACH OF THOSE GROUPS.
AND SO FROM THE G S R C, CRAIG, I THINK YOU GAVE US A, A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF SOME OF THE THINKING.
UH, AMY, UH, UH, SPOKE OR THROUGH, THROUGH THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE MAYOR, UH, NINA, I NOTICED YOU'RE SITTING OUT THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW FROM THE, I KNOW THAT AGAIN, YOU DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE ROCK, BUT PERHAPS YOU CAN ALSO GIVE US A LITTLE STATUS ABOUT, FROM THE ROCK'S PERSPECTIVE, THE DECISIONS THAT WERE FACED.
ARE THEY GOOD THINGS? ARE THEY BAD THINGS? ARE THEY HELPFUL? ARE THEY COMPLICATED? I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOU SPEAK.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD.
WELL, NO, SHE'S, NO, SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO FILL PETE, DON'T HAVE A CARD.
UH, NINA WHAT I'D LIKE TO, MY NAME IS NINA BARLOW.
I'M A MEMBER OF ROCK AND, UM, AND THE G SS R C, ACTUALLY.
AND SO, UM, UH, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY COURSES THAT THESE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE KEY MEMBERS OF ROCK RIGHT HERE THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROCK AS A SEPARATE ENTITY, YOU'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT SEPARATE.
UM, SAME THING WITH THE G R C G S S G.
UM, G SS R C IS ALSO, UH, REPRESENTED, UM, BY, YOU KNOW, THE O H B COMMUNITY.
AND SO, UM, UM, THE, UH, I'M ON A COUPLE OF, UH, GROUPS, WORKING GROUPS IN THE G S R C, ONE OF WHICH IS THE POLICY AND LAW GROUP.
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MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN THAT GROUP.WE, WE'VE DRAFTED, UM, SOME PROPOSED CHANGES TO, UM, ARIZONA STATUTES WITH REGARD TO O H V.
SOME ARE LANGUAGE CLEANUP, SOME ARE THINGS REGARDING, UM, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE, LIKE WHEN KIDS ARE DOING THINGS THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING ATVS.
THIS, THIS PERTAINS MORE TO PRIVATE USE ISSUES, NOT SO MUCH RENTAL USE ISSUES.
UM, AND ANOTHER THING, UM, IS LIKE A STATEWIDE, UH, 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON ALL OHVS.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SUPPORTED BY, UM, THE GPA COUNTY SHERIFF AND CAMAN FISH WHO ARE BOTH MEMBERS OF THIS PARTICULAR WORKING GROUP.
UM, SO THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, AS CRAIG SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A COMPLETE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE PRESENTED, UM, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, WHAT ELSE DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IN THAT REGARD? NO, JUST APPRECIATE EACH TIME I'VE HEARD ONE OF THESE LITTLE UPDATES, I'VE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT THERE'S ACTIVITY OUT THERE.
PEOPLE ARE TALKING, THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE SKY WILL BE BLUE IN SIX MONTHS OR, OR, OR CLOUDED IN SIX MONTHS, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU, YOU STOOD UP AND GAVE ME SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, NINA, SO THANK YOU.
AND, AND THESE, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS AGREEMENT OR NOT, THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD TOWARDS MOST OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THAT AGREEMENT.
AND THAT WAS VOLUNTARY BEFORE YOU ASKED THEM TO PUT IT IN WRITING AND SIGN EVERYTHING.
THEY, THEY, UM, AS I'M SORRY, WAS IT MICHAEL WRIGHT? YEP.
IT'S LIKE, IT'S A SMALL TOWN THEY KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO WORK WITH FOR, FOR A SOLUTION.
SO CAN I ASK NINA QUESTION? SURE, SURE.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS YOU OR MARY, BUT ONE OR BOTH OF YOU SPOKE AGAINST THE ORDINANCE WAY BACK WHEN, PROBABLY BOTH OF US.
AND, UH, THERE'S THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE ORDINANCE AND WHAT IT DOES AND THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT AND WHAT IT DOES, AND THE OVERLAP OR LACK THEREOF BETWEEN THE TWO.
DO YOU HAVE A POINT OF VIEW ON THAT? UM, SO YEAH, I THINK, I DON'T THINK MY OPINION OF THE ORDINANCE HAS CHANGED.
UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THE G S R C TIME TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND THE PROGRESS THAT THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN MAKING.
I MEAN, WE'RE SEEING THAT, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS AREN'T SEEING IT AS FAST AS THEY WOULD LIKE, PARTICULARLY, I KNOW THAT THE NOISES, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO BE THE, THEIR NUMBER ONE ISSUE.
UM, BUT WE'RE, WE, WE HAVE BEEN MAKING PROGRESS.
I WAS JUST PULLING UP, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE 2019 REPORT THAT WE HAD DONE BETWEEN 2016 AND 2019, ALL THAT MEETING AND GATHERING DATA AND, YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH I, I, YOU KNOW, BRAINSTORMING IDEAS AND, AND IT'S GRATIFYING TO LOOK BACK THROUGH THAT AND SEE THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE COME A LONG WAYS.
UM, SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I KNOW IT'S SLOGGING REALLY SLOW, BUT
WELL, SORT OF TO, TO, NOW TO MOVE TOWARDS WRAPPING UP MY COMMENTS HERE.
I THINK OTHERS HAVE SAID YOU CERTAINLY COULD DRIVE TRUCKS THROUGH HOLES IN THIS AGREEMENT, OR MAYBE WE SHOULD SAY LARGE O HVS.
UH, BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED AT THAT WE'RE NOT LAWYERING UP.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DRAFT BULLETPROOF AGREEMENTS, NOR SHOULD WE, THIS IS A, A WORKING AGREEMENT BETWEEN MEMBERS OF A COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD ALL KIND OF UNDERSTAND.
AND, AND TO EXPECT THAT LEVEL OF SEWING IT UP, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, IS UNREALISTIC.
AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
I AM INTRIGUED BY MR. SWANSON'S COMMENT ABOUT 12 33, 12 31 23, AND THEN HIS, HE HOPED TO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK BY THEN, AND THEN HIS PROPOSED DATE OF 3 31 24 FOR, UH, RECONSIDERING THE ORDINANCE AND JUST KIND OF SCHEDULING IT THAT WAY.
AND THAT IDEA IS NOT ABHORRENT TO ME BECAUSE IT KEEPS EVERYONE UNDER SOME MOTIVATION TO KEEP WORKING.
UH, AS FAR AS TRIGGERS GO, AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND, AND I MAYBE IT WAS EVEN MENTIONED IN THE AGREEMENT, UH, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT COUNCILS CHANGE AND COUNSELORS CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
AND OUR ATTORNEY IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN, IN ADVISING US THAT WE HAVE MECHANISMS TO DO THAT.
ALL THE MECHANISMS THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT AGREEMENTS.
AND SO, I, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH,
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ALTHOUGH IT'D BE GREAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE DIFFICULT, AND THEN MAYBE IN SOME FUTURE FORM OF AN AGREEMENT, WE GET A MORE CLEAR IDEA, A MORE CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT TRIGGERS MIGHT BE.BUT I'M NOT TOO MOTIVATED TO PUSH FOR TRIGGERS AT THIS MOMENT.
KATHY, IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR KESSLER WILLIAMSON USE THE TERM NNU NUCLEAR OPTION TO, UM, CHARACTERIZE THE ORDINANCE.
I HADN'T THOUGHT OF IT THAT TERM, BUT IT'S TRUE.
UH, IT'S, IT IS, UH, IT'S AN EXTREME MEASURE THAT WOULD AFFECT BUSINESSES, PUT THEM OUT, UM, BUSINESSES THAT HAVE EXHIBITED GOODWILL TO WORK WITH US ON THIS.
SO, UM, I THINK I REALLY, THAT WAS A GOOD WAKE UP CALL TO USE HARSH LANGUAGE.
UM, AND ALSO THE AGREEMENT, THE, UH, ORDINANCE ADDRESSES MANY OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HAD.
BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS OTHER OF THE VERY REAL ISSUES THAT WHILE THEY MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS PROPER IMPACT OUR CITY, THEY IMPACT OUR CITY.
BECAUSE IF WE, IF THE AREA THAT IS DRAWS PEOPLE TO THE CITY AND STAYING IN THE HOTELS AND EATING IN THE RESTAURANTS AND SHOPPING IN THE SHOPS IS DAMAGED IN A WAY THAT IS IRREPARABLE, BECOMES UNATTRACTIVE, THAT HURTS OUR CITY.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT, UM, THE HEALTH OF THAT AREA IS SO IMPORTANT.
SO IS SUPPORTING THE BUSINESSES.
SO YOU, I BELIEVE, AS THE BUSINESSES ALSO HAVE A STAKE IN PROTECTING THAT AREA.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S YOUR LIFEBLOOD.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A FRUSTRATING PROCESS AS WE TRY TO BALANCE THESE THINGS.
I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN SAID AS WELL.
THE AGREEMENT IS A, IT'S A GREAT INDICATOR.
IT DOESN'T HAVE, THE HOLES ARE GAPING.
UM,
I THINK THE IMPORTANT INDICATOR TO ME IS THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING SINCE THIS PROCESS STARTED.
LET'S NOT JUST SAY WE'RE STARTING FROM GROUND ZERO WHEN THE AGREEMENT IS ACCEPTED OR THE ORDINANCE PASSES.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED WITH A THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE FROM THE BUSINESSES INVOLVED, AS WELL AS STAFF AND THE FOREST SERVICE, AND THE NONPROFITS AND THE COUNCIL.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S HARSH TO HEAR FROM US SOMETIMES UP HERE AND, AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT THIS IS A COUNCIL THAT'S REALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS VERY REAL PROBLEMS. AND WE DON'T HAVE A PERFECT SOLUTION.
AND WE'RE ALL LEARNING AS WE GO ALONG.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE LONG AND DRAWN OUT.
AND THAT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GONNA STOP.
UH, WHICHEVER OPTION IS, IS PURSUED HERE.
UM, TWO POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP DURING QUESTIONS I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUING THIS PROCESS.
IN A WAY, COUNCILOR DUNN BROUGHT UP WHAT IS THE TRIGGER? WHAT BRINGS IT BACK? WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT A QUOTE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN COME BACK ANYTIME IN THE 60 DAYS.
WE KNOW TWO COUNCILS CAN BRING IT BACK AFTER.
SO THERE'S A PROCESS TO BRING IT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHAT IT IS THAT MOTIVATES THAT TO HAPPEN.
I THINK THAT'S THE CORE QUESTION THERE.
UM, WHICH BRINGS ME TO A POINT THAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON BROUGHT UP IN QUESTIONS, WHICH IS, UM,
YOU'RE LOOKING THREE MONTHS OUT TO IMPLEMENTING SOME CHANGES.
YOU'RE LOOKING A YEAR OUT TO IMPLEMENTING OTHER CHANGES.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING COMMITMENT, IS THE RIGHT STRUCTURE TO KEEP A THREE PERSON COMMITTEE IN PLACE AS THAT, THAT IS THE FLOW BECAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT FLOW, IF THAT IS IT, WE NEED TO WORK ON WHAT THAT FLOW IS, BECAUSE INFORMATION NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THIS COUNCIL.
'CAUSE IT'S A COUNCIL BODY DECISION WHETHER TO ACCEPT THE AGREEMENT.
IT'S A COUNCIL BODY DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO GO NUCLEAR WITH THE ORDINANCE, THEREFORE TO HAVE THE THREE PEOPLE WORKING ON IT WITH ALL OF YOU.
AND KUDOS TO THE GOOD HARD WORK.
THANK YOU, YOU, SCOTT, HOLLY, AND BRIAN, FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING WITH STAFF ON THESE ISSUES.
BUT IT'S TIME TO THINK, DID THAT, DOES THAT BE REIGNED IN? HOW DOES THIS COME BACK TO BEING COUNCIL ACTION? SINCE COUNCIL HAS TO BE THE DECISION MAKERS? I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR THINGS TO CONTINUE IN THE LONG RUN.
I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE MAYBE TO HAVE, UM, A MAYBE A THREE MONTH CHECK-IN OF, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY 90 DAYS.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF TIMES IN YOUR DATES, IN YOUR, UM, AGREEMENT AT LACK OF A BETTER
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WORD, THAT ARE, THAT TRIGGER CERTAIN THINGS.MAYBE YOU DO MEET WITH THIS GROUP ONGOING FOR THE NEXT, EACH MONTH AS YOU'RE MEETING THESE, AND IN THREE MONTHS YOU COME BACK AGAIN TO THE FULL COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN REDETERMINE AND THEN AGAIN, THREE MONTHS AFTER THAT.
SO IN THREE MONTHS AND THEN IN SIX MONTHS COME BACK.
AND AT ANY TIME WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO SET THAT DATE AS LONG AS WE HAVE THOSE DATES THAT IT'S COMING BACK.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A HARD TABLE DATE TO RECONSIDER THE ORDINANCE.
WE COULD BRING IT BACK AT ANY TIME BASED ON THOSE DECISIONS.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MAYOR YOU ASKED BEFORE FOR, UM, SUGGESTIONS.
MEET WITH THE, THE ONGOING COMMITTEE MONTHLY FOR THE NEXT THREE MONTHS.
THEN IN THOSE THREE MONTHS YOU COME BACK TO, TO THE FULL BODY AND THEN IN THE SIX MONTHS.
I ALSO DO THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AMONG OURSELVES.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT MECHANISM TO DO THAT.
WHO IS MONITORING THAT? WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT WHAT WILL BE YOUR GUIDANCE, YOUR, IF THE COMMITTEE CONTINUES OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS TO KNOW THAT THESE ARE BEING MET? I MEAN, THERE'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE TREAD LIGHTLY.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE K S B, YOU'RE ALL VERY QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON POLICY ISSUES.
YOU'RE NOT QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT THESE SORT OF VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT ARE NOW IN A, IN AN AGREEMENT.
SO THOSE COVER THE POINTS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP THAT I THINK RAISE MORE POINTS IN DISCUSSION, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT I, I, AT THIS POINT, I'M FOR THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A FINAL DOCUMENT EITHER.
I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
IT CAN BE REVISED, IT CAN COME BACK WITH MORE THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THIS.
I'M FOR KEEPING THE OPTION OF THE ORDINANCE ALIVE.
I'M FOR CONTINUING THE DIALOGUE TO GET TO A BETTER PLACE.
BUT THAT IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL IN THREE MONTHS AND SIX MONTHS.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE REALLY HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH IT.
CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY COME BACK TO COUNCIL, WOULD YOU ACCEPT, UH, A REPORT FROM THE FOUR COMPANIES AS A, A, UM, SOMETHING IN OUR PACKET TO, FOR YOU TO REVIEW? AND AT THAT TIME, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, THEN WE CAN AGENDIZE IT FOR? UH, NO, I, I THINK, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE HERE THEMSELVES BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN A PACKETIZED WITHOUT THEM SHOWING UP REALISTICALLY.
BUT I DO THINK IT'LL NEED TO BE A DIALOGUE AGAIN, BETWEEN COUNCIL AND, AND THE AFFECTED BUSINESSES.
I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THANK YOU'RE ASKING.
BRIAN, I KNOW YOU'RE SHORT FOR TIME, BUT ARE YOU GOOD? I'M GOOD.
SO WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE, WHY DON'T YOU, UH, GO ON IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
UM, A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER END OF THE DAIS.
APPRECIATE, UH, ALL THAT I HEARD, UH, STARTING WITH NUCLEAR OPTION WILLIAMSON DOWN THERE.
UH, I AGREE WITH THE, UH, IDEA THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, A HARD TRIGGER ON ANY OF THESE ARE NOT REALLY SOMETHING REALISTIC THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'M FOR THE AGREEMENT AND, UH, REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE OWNERS OF THE RENTAL COMPANIES WORKING WITH US OVER THESE LAST FEW MONTHS TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT PERFECT FOR YOU, NOT PERFECT FOR US, BUT WORKABLE AND, UH, A MAJOR STEP FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT DID START WITH SAFETY AND IT DOES ADDRESS SAFETY IN SOME REGARDS, NOT PERFECTLY.
BUT AGAIN, IF WE WANTED TO PERFECTLY ADDRESS SAFETY, IT WOULD BE THE NUCLEAR OPTION.
UM, OR AN OPTION THAT ACTUALLY HAD UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF CREATING A NEW UNSAFE SITUATION OF PUSHING, UH, THE DRIVER'S ADD-ON TO, UH, UH, 89 A IN 65 MILE AN HOUR ZONE.
SO, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE IN AND OF ITSELF IS A WORKABLE SOLUTION AT THIS TIME.
I THINK THAT, UH, THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENTS THE WAY TO GO, I THINK THAT, UM, UH, WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT THAT, UH, MARCH 31 DATE OUT THERE, CRAIG.
I THINK THAT, UM, WITH THE ONGOING FOLLOW UP THAT I EXPECT THAT COUNSEL WILL WANT TO HAVE NATURALLY, THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REVIEW.
SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO PUT, YOU KNOW, SOME D-DAY TYPE, UM, UH, TRIGGER MOMENT, UH, OUT THERE FOR, UH, SIX OR NINE MONTHS FROM NOW.
UH, WHAT ELSE? NO, I THINK THAT THAT PRETTY WELL COVERS IT.
I THINK MY FELLOW COUNSELORS HAVE HAVE COVERED THE POINTS WELL SO FAR.
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SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, TABLING THE, UH, UH, THE ORDINANCE.SO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I FIND THIS IS, UM, VERY COMPLICATED AND IT'S VERY COMPLICATED TO TRY AND MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARE AN APPLE AND AN ORANGE.
UM, AND YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
SO MY THING ABOUT TRIGGERS IS IT WASN'T REALLY MEANT TO BE, IT'S MEANT TO SAY, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE YOU IN THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT ARE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK BECAUSE IT WORKS BOTH WAYS.
WE HAVE TO BE FAIR IN MY MIND AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T SUDDENLY HEAR, UM, IN THE RED ROCK NEWS ON THE FRIDAY FOLLOWING A COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE BROUGHT IT BACK.
RIGHT? UM, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY IN WHICH WE AGREE THAT THIS IS WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I HEARD MR. SWANSON, AND I HEARD MR. WRIGHT REALLY TALK ABOUT A WHEN, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S A DATE INVOLVED, WHETHER YOU MAKE IT A DEFINITIVE DATE, 3 31, OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU MAKE IT, HEY, WE'RE GONNA PASS THE ORDINANCE AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT IN SIX MONTHS.
RIGHT? AGAIN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THE REAL QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE DATE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO, UM, INVOKE THE ORDINANCE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S LITIGATED OR WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATED, IT'S, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN WE WE DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO PASS IT, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE TRUE.
SO THIS IS MORE ABOUT WHY WOULD WE DO IT.
SO WE HAD A SERIES OF WHY'S THAT WE SAID WHAT WAS IMPORTANT, UM, THAT STILL EXISTS AND THAT WE USED AS EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE WHY.
UM, YOU GENTLEMEN, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE GENTLEMAN WHO IS MISSING HAVE, UM, 'CAUSE BRIAN, YOU CAN'T SIT IN FOR HIM.
SO WE, WE HAVE AN ISSUE OF, SOME OF THESE TO ME, SEEM TO BE ON POINT.
SOME OF THEM DO ADDRESS PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOISE BEING ONE OF THEM, FOR INSTANCE.
IT'S ABOUT, IF ANYTHING IS MAYBE A HEALTH ISSUE.
UM, IF YOU ASK, UM, SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, THEY WOULD TELL YOU IT'S A HEALTH ISSUE.
SO I, OR A SOCIETAL ISSUE, WHICH IS A WELFARE ISSUE, AND THAT IS OUR JOB, RIGHT? HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO I, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS, UM, QUITE HONESTLY, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DIFFERENT FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LET'S JUST TAKE THIS VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT FOR WHICH ONE OF THEM, THIS SIGNATORIES IS NOT HERE.
WHEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT IT AND TABLE THE ORDINANCE.
SO I CAN'T LOOK THAT INDIVIDUAL IN THE EYES AND SAY, ARE YOU REALLY BEHIND THIS? 'CAUSE TO ME IT KIND OF LOOKS BY HIS ABSENCE, HE'S NOT BEHIND IT.
SO IT BECOMES EVEN MORE DIFFICULT FOR ME.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE, THE POINT OF HAVING SOME WAY OF SAYING THIS IS WHEN WE'RE GOING TO AGREE TO DISAGREE IS FAIR TO YOU.
INSTEAD OF TWO COUNSELORS SUDDENLY DECIDE THEY BRING IT BACK BECAUSE COME NOVEMBER YOU COULD HAVE THREE NEW COUNSELORS SITTING HERE AND A NEW MAYOR, RIGHT? WE, WE, WE CAN'T FORESEE.
SO I WOULD'VE JUST LIKED TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE SOME, SOME WAY OF MAKING IT FEEL SAFE FOR YOU WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
AND I, THE DATE IS THE EASIEST ONE RATHER THAN THINGS, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF YOU HOW IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO POTENTIALLY HAVE WHAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO REACH A PERCENTAGE.
SO RIGHT AT THIS POINT, I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE SAYING TODAY WE SHOULD MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO ACCEPT THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT AND DEFER INDEFINITELY THE ORDINANCE.
I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF THE MISSING GENTLEMAN WAS HERE FOR SURE.
AND I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF INSTEAD OF THE OPEN-ENDED PROCESS THAT JESSICA CONFIRMED, UM, OF WHICH I WAS AWARE THAT WE CAN BRING IT BACK AT ANY TIME SEEMS UNFAIR.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
I'VE BEEN ON THE GROUP THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, AND ANDREW HAS BEEN AT OUR MEETINGS.
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AND I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.MAYBE HAD A, AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP.
BUT I FEEL LIKE HE IS COMMITTED JUST AS I FEEL THE OTHER THREE OWNERS ARE COMMITTED.
I THINK THE TIMING IS, IS KIND OF INTERESTING AND COMPLICATED HERE BECAUSE THE G S R C WHEN THEY CAME AND PRESENTED TO US, BASICALLY, IT HAD ONE MEETING, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO.
AND I WAS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE IT TOOK SO LONG TO GET OFF THE GROUND.
IT FELT LIKE NOTHING WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE AND I'M NO LONGER FRUSTRATED, UH, BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY, UH, DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, DIFFERENT, UH, WORK GOING ON.
ALSO, THE PERMITTING, WHICH WAS MY BIGGEST ISSUE IN SUPPORT OF PERMITTING.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT DOES GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE, IS NOW FRONT AND CENTER.
WE'RE WITH G SS R C, WE NOW KNOW THAT THE FOREST SERVICE IS LOOKING TO G S R C, UM, AND ITS RECOMMENDATIONS IS PIVOTAL IN ITS DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
SO I, I'M FEELING REALLY POSITIVE ABOUT G S R C, BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AREN'T DUE YET.
SO WHAT ARE THEY? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW.
SO HERE WE HAVE A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT AND WE'RE ASKING THE RENTAL OWNERS TO COMMIT TO FOLLOW RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DON'T EXIST.
AND YET THEY'RE SOMEWHAT AGREEING TO DO THAT.
BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE REPRESENTATION THERE, BUT WE, WE'RE NOT F WE'RE NOT FINAL.
SO I, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO DO.
UH, DO I THINK THAT THE RENTAL OWNER SHOULD COME TO COUNCIL EVERY THREE MONTHS? NO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT TIME IS.
I THINK THEY SHOULD COME BACK, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO PUT INTO, UH, INTO, IF WE ACCEPT THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, PUT IN THERE A, UH, A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY COME BACK.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE WERE HOPING WE COULD JUST MEET THE NEXT TIME IN THREE MONTHS AND NOT EVERY MONTH, UH, TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THE STATUS IS.
WE STILL HAVE TO FIND HOW TO MONITOR THIS PROCESS.
UH, WE'VE STRUCK OUT TWICE NOW, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR GOOD IDEAS, BUT WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
I'M CONFIDENT IN THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT FIGURED OUT TODAY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE KIND OF INTRIGUED ABOUT THIS 3 31 DATE.
I WOULDN'T OBJECT TO THAT AT ALL.
DOES PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND WITH A DATE.
UH, ALL IT MEANS IS THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT AGAIN.
DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT IT'LL GIVE US A WAY TO ASSESS THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING.
I ALWAYS, YOU ALWAYS COME UP WITH REALLY GOOD IDEAS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MY FELLOW COUNSELORS FEEL ABOUT IT, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT IT AND I WOULD SUPPORT THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT WITH THE IDEA THAT IT STILL NEEDS WORK.
THERE ARE STILL THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO PROGRESS IT.
I MEAN, THE THINGS THAT ARE COMMITMENTS IN HERE ARE GOOD.
AND WE HAVE DATES IN WHICH THEY WILL BE, UH, THAT WERE, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE MET.
BUT I STILL THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S GAPS THAT WE NEED TO FILL.
UH, SO I WOULD CONTINUE WITH THE COMMITTEE.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, ALTHOUGH MAYBE A LIAISON IS A GOOD IDEA, JESSICA, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS A COMMITTEE, I DON'T WANNA BE WORKING ON THIS FOR FIVE YEARS, EVERY MONTH,
SO AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO, UH, PUT THINGS INTO PLACE AND THEN MONITOR, MONITOR THEM.
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THINKING.
AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND TO ME, ME, THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
ARE YOU FOR THEM? ARE YOU AGAINST THEM? ARE YOU GONNA HELP US GET THEM THROUGH THE FOREST SERVICE? BUT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXIST.
YOU'RE, I, BEFORE YOU GO ON, COULD YOU, AFTER YOUR, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT THAT I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS.
SO AFTER YOU'RE DONE, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE.
UM, SO LET'S ADJUST SOME OF THE THINGS NOT TO, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE RIGHT ORDER, BUT, UH, I AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR.
THIS, A LOT OF THIS CAME FROM OUR FRUSTRATION WITH THE G S R C, NOT FROM ROCK,
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BECAUSE AT THE TIME ROCK WAS ROCKING, BUT G S R C WASN'T NOW, UH, FORTUNATELY FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE G S R C, BECAUSE OF OUR PUSHING THIS FORWARD, THEY ARE MOVING AGGRESSIVELY.AND IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE FROM WHAT I'M HEARING.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TAKING PLACE AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG.
BUT WE MOVE FORWARD, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT A PERMITTING SYSTEM.
AND IT SHOULD, IT WAS SUGGESTED TO ME THAT THE, THE WORDING PERMITTING SYSTEM SHOULDN'T, ISN'T EXACTLY RIGHT.
IT SHOULD BE A LIMITING PERMITTING SYSTEM BECAUSE A PERMITTING SYSTEM COULD BE MORE, RIGHT? SO IT SHOULD BE A LIMITING PER WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.
THE G SS R C WOULD BE THE ONES TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND THE FACT THAT THE US FOREST SERVICE HOLDS THE G SS R C IN SUCH REGARD IS IMPRESSIVE TO ME BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW, UH, NEPA STUDY THAT COULD BE YEARS OUT.
I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD HELP MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD FROM THE, BECAUSE OF THE G S R C.
I'M, I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT RIPPY IS NOT HERE.
UM, AND I AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR.
HE HAS ATTENDED NOT ALL THE MEETINGS, BUT MOST OF THE MEETINGS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY HE WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD IF HE CALLED OR NOTIFIED YOU GUYS, RIGHT? BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, HIS EMAIL AND NAME ON THIS DOCUMENT IS THE SAME AS HIM SIGNING IT ACCORDING TO OUR LEGAL ADVISOR, OUR CITY ATTORNEY.
SO, WHILE HE'S NOT HERE, HE DID ENDORSE THIS.
IF WE WERE TO FIND OUT TOMORROW, HE CALLS ME UP AND SAYS, SCOTT OR MAYOR, I DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
I, I ACCEPT THAT THESE GENTLEMEN HERE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, SIX MONTHS ALMOST.
I HAVE A GOOD REGARD FOR THEM.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE SINCERE IN DOING SOMETHING.
I BELIEVE THAT YEARS AGO DURING THE, UH, O H V COMMITTEE, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS MADE, UH, OR DISCUSSED, MUFFLERS BEING ONE OF THEM.
AT LEAST NOW WE HAVE DATES AND, AND PERCENTAGES.
UH, NOT HAVING ANDREW HERE, UH, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE FOR ME IN KNOWING THESE GENTLEMEN HERE.
I THINK I SAID THIS THE LAST TIME.
UH, THE FIRST TIME THEY MET THE PEOPLE THAT CAME TO SPEAK, AND WE ALL LISTENED TO THEM INTENTLY.
AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION OF THE ORDINANCE WAS IMPORTANT.
COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON SAYING THE NUCLEAR, IS THAT WHAT THE WORD YOU USED? I DID.
I DON'T WANNA SEE VIABLE, STRONG BUSINESSES GO OUTTA BUSINESS.
IF WE DO THE ORDINANCE, THEY MOST LIKELY WOULD.
IF THEY DON'T COMPLY, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS GONNA BE THE CASE, THEN WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
BUT NOT ONLY ARE FOUR, AND ACTUALLY THEY'RE FOUR BUSINESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY STOREFRONTS YOU HAVE.
12, 15, 20, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YOU GUYS HAVE, BUT EIGHT.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STAFF THAT THEY'RE EMPLOYING AND THEY PAY GOOD WAGES, WHICH IS MORE THAN A LOT OF OTHER STORES.
AND THEY HAVE PEOPLE WORKING FOR THEM.
IF I REMEMBER JIMMY, YOU HAD SOMEBODY WORKING FOR YOU, LIKE WHAT, 10 YEARS? 15 YEARS? YEAH.
THEY'VE, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WORKING, I DUNNO, 50 YEARS, 60 YEARS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS.
BUT YOU, YOU THEY'S A STRONG COMPANIES.
DO I WANNA DROP A NUCLEAR BOMB ON THEM WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLYING? NO, IT'S NOT EVERYTHING WE WANT.
THAT'S, UH, MY STICKING POINT.
I THINK IN THE, IN THE, IN THE FUTURE, THINGS MAY CHANGE.
UM, DIRECTIONALS, THAT'S A BIG THING.
I'VE GOTTEN CUT OFF, CUT CUTTING OFF JESUS, GETTING LATE.
I'VE GOTTEN CUT OFF ON THE ROAD BY SOMEBODY MAKING A LEFT TURN RIGHT INTO ME, PUTTING ME ACTUALLY INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC.
BUT THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC THERE.
BUT ACROSS THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE, THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE THAT'S REALLY BEING ADDRESSED.
UH, THE GOVERNORS, THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE TO GET THEM DOWN TO 35 MILES AN HOUR.
THAT'S HELPING MY CONCERNS ABOUT
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THE ANTI-LOCK BREAKS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING 50 MILES AN HOUR.I WISH THE PRIVATE ONES HAD THAT.
SO WHO WAS IT THAT SAID, I THINK YOU, THE VICE MAYOR THAT YOU WERE ON 17, YOU SAW AN O H V DOING 55, 60 MILES AN HOUR.
THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEMS LIE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD TAKE CARE OF, BUT IT WOULD TAKE YEARS BEFORE THE LAWSUITS STOPPED.
SO I THINK WE HAVE THE BULK OF THE O HVS HERE.
I SEE MORE OF THEM ON THE STREETS THAN THE PRIVATE ONES, EXCEPT WHEN THERE'S SOME KIND OF CONVENTION OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, EVENT.
SO I THINK WE'RE ADDRESSING THE BULK OF THE PROBLEM.
UM, AS, AS FAR AS THE 3 24 DATE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE CRAIG CAME UP WITH THAT, BUT I, WE CAN ALWAYS BRING IT BACK.
DO WE NEED TO HAVE A DATE IN STONE THAT WE CAN HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE AGENDA DATE THAT WE CAN WORK ON NOW AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE ORDINANCE COME BACK.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU CAME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, MARCH 24, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF ANYTHING A YEAR FROM NOW TO SEE WHAT'S CHANGED.
WHAT DOES THE G S R C COME UP WITH? WHAT DOES ROCK COME UP WITH? LET'S SEE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE MATTER? I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING.
I, I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING.
WELL, YOU MIGHT HAVE, BUT IT DIDN'T COME FROM ME.
NOW, VICE MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, THE, UH, DATE.
KATHY, DID YOU MENTION THE DATE ALSO, OR? YES.
I SAID COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS FOR, AND THEN IN SIX MONTHS.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ALL, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UH, TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD.
I KNOW, I, I'M TRYING FOLLOWING YOUR, I DO YOUR FOOTPRINT.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS COMING UP.
I WOULD RATHER SEE, WE MEET FOR ONCE A MONTH FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
THEN WE CAN MEET QUARTERLY AND, AND THEN WE COULD, UH, SHARE THOSE REPORTS WITH THE COUNCIL.
AND THEN IF WE SEE A NEED, WELL THEN WE BRING IT BACK.
WE COULD HAVE A YEARLY MEETING TO SEE WHERE IT GOES.
IF WE GO WITH A YEARLY DATE, RIGHT.
BEF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 60 DAYS BEFORE THAT DATE, WE CAN HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING TO DISCUSS, DO WE NEED TO BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK? I SUSPECT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
SO, TO GET TO THE POINT, BECAUSE JESSICA'S, I AM CHAMPIONING TO BE HERE.
SO, UH, I DO ACCEPT THE, UH, THIS LIST.
IT'S NOT EV NOBODY'S GETTING, GETTING EVERYTHING.
I WOULD SUPPORT TABLING NOT ELIMINATING THE ORDINANCE.
ABSOLUTELY NOT ELIMINATING THE ORDINANCE.
BECAUSE IF THE G S R C COMES WITH, COMES DOWN WITH PERMITS AND LIMITING PERMITS AND THE FOREST SERVICE SAYS, NAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT, THEN WE NEED TO, I GUESS, GET AGGRESSIVE AGAIN.
BUT I THINK THESE GENTLEMEN ARE WILLING TO TALK WITH US AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE FUTURE'S GONNA HOLD, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, THIS DATE, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE, UH, WHAT WE LOOK, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR A DATE, THAT IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK THIS WAY.
EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE ORDINANCE BROUGHT BACK, WE CAN HAVE OUR OWN ASSESSMENT IN A YEAR TO SEE WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT THAT YOU CAN SAY, HEY, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE ALL THESE THINGS.
SO, UH, IS THERE ANY INPUT, ANY THAT I CAN GET YOU WANT TO TALK ALSO IF I WANT? I HAD ONE MORE COMMENT.
ANYWAY, UM, I BELIEVE CRAIG WAS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT THE REASON HE CHOSE THAT DATE WAS BECAUSE THE G R SS C RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE BY THAT POINT.
AND THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY WHETHER THEY WERE FOR THEM OR AGAINST THEM.
AND THAT THAT COULD BE A TRIGGER OF SORTS, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
IF YOU'RE NOT FOR THEM, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA SUPPORT 'EM, THEN THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENTS.
SO I HAVE NO TROUBLE WITH THAT AS A, AS A DATE.
I AM AGAINST BRINGING THESE POOR FELLOWS BACK RIGHT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO KNOW, TO HAVE THIS EXACT SAME DISCUSSION.
SO I THINK WE NEED IT ONE MORE TIME.
AND THEN I THINK, I THINK PART OF WHAT I WOULD WANT THE GROUP TO DO THIS MEETING WITH THEM IS COME UP WITH A LONG TERM MONITORING STRATEGY THAT YOU WOULD BRING BACK TO US AND WE COULD LISTEN TO.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS I, I DO NOT SUPPORT A CITIZEN COMMITTEE DOING MONITORING.
I, I, I THINK I WOULD LIKE, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY FAIR.
I DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE BEYOND THE COMMITTEE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE AGENDAS.
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KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE, WHAT THEY WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE DOING AND WHAT THEY WOULD THINK THEIR ROLE IS.I, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S FAIR.
I THINK WE REALLY NEED A, A MORE THIRD PARTY PROFESSIONAL WAY OF DOING IT.
I'M, I'M AGAINST THE COMMITTEE, LIKE OF JUST MADE UP OF, OF, OF SELF, SELF-IDENTIFIED PEOPLE WHO WANNA MONITOR THESE GUYS.
WELL, I'M JUST, I'M JUST, YEAH.
SO, UM, I KNOW THE VICEMAN AND I DISCUSSED, UH, HAVING, UH, THE O H V COMPANIES DOING IT.
I THINK WE, DID WE DISCUSS THIS? NO, WE DIDN'T.
WE WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY IMPARTIAL.
AND AND WHO MIGHT THAT BE? WE'D HAVE TO HIRE OR SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO, POLARIS WOULD HIRE, PAY, PAY.
IT'S ALL SUGGESTIONS TO HIRE A MECHANIC TO LOOK AT IT.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA DECIDE IT TONIGHT.
I JUST WANTED YOU HAD RAISED IT AND I JUST WANTED TO OKAY.
TO, TO TELL YOU MY OPINION OF IT, WHICH WAS I DON'T LIKE IT.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.
HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK FOR SOME, SOME WAY TO MOVE THIS ON.
KATHY, PETE, DID YOU HAVE ANYMORE? OKAY, KATHY, I, I DON'T MIND GOING TO THE MARCH DATE.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
BUT I DO THINK THERE HAS TO BE A POINT WHERE YOU DO COME BACK IN FRONT OF THIS BODY AS A BODY INSTEAD OF ONLY DELIBERATING WITH THE, WITH THE COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS DONE FABULOUS WORK.
BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND TO WHAT END, THIS HAS TO WRAP UP.
I MEAN, THE, IT'S THE PROCESS THAT'S NOT RIGHT NOW.
SO IF THIS HAPPENED IN, IN MARCH AFTER THE, I THINK THE, THE G S R C UM, UH, PROPOSALS ARE PROBABLY A GOOD TRIGGER.
I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON IS RIGHT TO POINT THAT OUT.
BUT IT CAN'T JUST BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING IN A VACUUM.
BECAUSE AGAIN, MY POINT IS THE BODY NEEDS TO BE MAKING DECISION AS LONG AS THE WORK'S STAYING IN THE, IN THE COMMITTEE AT THAT LEVEL, IT'S NOT FILTERING OUT TO US.
SO THAT, THAT'S A PROBLEM SINCE WE AS THE BODY NEED TO BE MAKING THESE DECISIONS.
SO MARCH IS FINE WITH ME TO PUSH IT OUT, BUT IN THAT TIMEFRAME HAS TO ALSO BE THE WORK OF COMING UP WITH WHAT IS THE MONITORING SYSTEM SO THAT IT DOES TRANSITION OUT OF THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL FOR SOMETHING.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU, NO, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS, RIGHT? SHE WANTS TO HAVE MORE, BRING EVERYBODY BACK EVERY THREE MONTHS.
NO, DON'T I JUST MOVED OFF OF THAT.
SO YOU WANT, BUT YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE.
I JUST DID, BUT I'LL DO IT AGAIN.
UM, I SAID INSTEAD OF THE THREE MONTH AND SIX MONTH PROPOSAL, I'M HAPPY TO USE THE MARCH DATE BASED ON THE G S R, BUT THAT, AT THAT POINT, THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO US.
IN THE MEANTIME, THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE IS DOING NEEDS TO BE WORKING ON FINISHING THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, GREG, CAN, CAN YOU COME UP FOR, TO THIS MICROPHONE FOR A MINUTE ONLY? 'CAUSE I KNOW THE WAY ORGANIZATIONS WORK, 3 31 SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT DATE, BUT NOTHING GOES ON A SCHEDULE.
SO DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE TO CHANGE THAT TO 6 31 TO GIVE EXTRA TIME FOR THE G S R C IN CASE THEY RUN LATE? BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DATE.
THE G S R C ISN'T, DO I NEED TO SAY MY NAME AGAIN? JUST YOU HAVE AN OPINION.
BECAUSE YOU CAME UP WITH THIS DATE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT G S R C WILL HAVE THAT DATE.
AND, AND I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO CHANGE THE DATE BECAUSE I THINK THAT STICKING WITH THAT DATE, THE ACTIONS OF THE COUNCIL LIT A FIRE UNDER G S R C.
AND THE REASON FOR THE DATE IS EXACTLY, UH, WHAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON SAID WAS, ASSUMING THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN, THAT MEANS THAT THE BODY OF THE G S R C HAS COME TO CONSENSUS ON A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THERE MAY BE SOME OF 'EM WHERE THERE'S NOT UNANIMITY, BUT THE WRITEUP BY SOUTHWEST DECISION RESOURCES WOULD SAY MOST OF THE PARTICIPANTS SUGGESTED THIS.
IF IT'S UNANIMOUS, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, ALL OF THE PARTICIPANTS SUGGESTED THIS.
THERE'S GONNA BE SOME THINGS IN THERE WHERE THERE ARE IDEAS THROWN OUT VERY MUCH ON PURPOSE THAT THE CONCLUSION IS GONNA BE NOBODY IN G R G S R C RECOMMENDS THIS BECAUSE ONE
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OF THE ALTERNATIVES IS TO BAN OHVS FROM THE RED ROCK DISTRICT.ANOTHER ONE IS STATUS QUO, NO CHANGE AT ALL.
ANOTHER ONE IS TO INCREASE OH FEES ON THE RED ROCK DISTRICT.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A BUNCH OF STUFF IN THERE WHERE G SRCS SAYS, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT KIND OF STUFF.
THREE MONTHS IS PLENTY OF TIME FOR THESE GUYS TO DETERMINE BASED ON THAT, WITH THEIR REPRESENTATION ON G S R C, DO WE SUPPORT ALL THIS STUFF? OKAY.
IF THEY DON'T NO, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
I APPRECIATE, OK, THEN I TOO AM ON ON BOARD WITH THE 3 31 24.
NOW ARE WE LOOKING, I WANT CLARITY FOR MYSELF.
ARE WE LOOKING JUST, WE'LL HAVE A MEETING OR ARE WE GONNA IMPOSE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF I SUPPORT BRINGING THE, THE ORDINANCE BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE COMING DO.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DATE AS A RETURN ON THE ORDINANCE FOR THE HAMMER TRIGGER? I'M SORRY.
I I'M ASKING EVERYBODY WHO DO YOU WANT FIRST? I'M LOOKING AT THIS SIDE BECAUSE I COULD TALK LONG.
SO, UM, UM, SO I WANNA ASK A QUESTION OF KURT.
SO KURT, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TABLING THE ORDINANCE, DOES IT MAKE SENSE OR CAN YOU EVEN PUT A DATE TO SAY, WE DEFERRED UNTIL 3 31 24 AT WHICH TIME, BASICALLY WE'RE, THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT OR CONTINUE THE, THE TABLING OF SAID ORDINANCE.
DOES, DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? IT'S GETTING LATE.
SO THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE ALLOW COUNCILS TO DEFER CONSIDERATION OF AN, OF AN AGENDA ITEM.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE SAME AGENDA ITEM TO AN INDEFINITE DATE OR A DEFINITE DATE.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO START DEFERRING IT OUT MUCH FARTHER THAN MAYBE THAT TIME? SIX PERIOD.
SIX MONTHS? 'CAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE, WELL, IF YOU NEED TO BRING IT BACK IN A YEAR, THEN BRING IT BACK IN A YEAR.
IF YOU DO CHOOSE A DATE, THEN I WOULD PICK A REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING.
SO EITHER MARCH 26TH OR APRIL, UH, APRIL 9TH, 2024.
UM, MARCH 31ST IS A SUNDAY, I THINK.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
SO THE, THE OTHER THING THAT I, JUST, A GENERAL COMMENT IS, UM, CRAIG IS NOT SAYING THIS, BUT WE ALL KNOW THIS, IS THAT, UH, LET'S SAY THAT ON 1231 WE HAVE IN THE G S R C, WE'VE COME UP WITH A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WE'VE NOW TURNED OVER TO THE FOREST SERVICE.
I'M NOT SURE ANYONE CAN PREDICT THAT.
BY MARCH 31ST, BASICALLY THREE MONTHS LATER, THE FOREST SERVICE WILL HAVE AGREED TO THOSE AND HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN OR HOW THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THOSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT 3 31 IS STILL AN ARBITRARY DATE AS FAR AS FINAL THINGS BEING DONE.
AND SO WHEN WE AS A BODY RIGHT NOW ARE THINKING ABOUT 3 31, WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN DONE.
AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME INKLING OF AN IDEA OF WHETHER OR NOT THE FOREST SERVICE IS GOING TO ACCEPT THEM OR MODIFY THEM OR REFUSE THEM OR WHATEVER.
AND THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS COME BACK TO THIS GROUP AND SAY, GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, YOU'RE MAY BE IMPACTED IN THIS VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT IS REALLY NOT GOING TO HOLD BECAUSE WHATEVER THE FOREST SERVICE DECIDES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ABIDE BY.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT.
I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY HAPPENS.
AND WE'RE DOING IT UNDERNEATH THE GUISE OF SAYING, LET'S BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK UP AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT EVEN APPLIES ANYMORE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE.
UM, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT FOR ME.
AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY FROM THE CITY CLERK, THE DATES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING BACK MOVING FORWARD IS 3 31 24 OR 4 9 24.
NOT, WE CAN'T DO NOT 3 31 MAYOR.
THE NEXT MEETING AFTER 3 31 WOULD BE APRIL 9TH.
THAT'S THE SECOND TUESDAY, APRIL 6TH.
OH, AFTER THREE 30 IS IS OKAY.
UH, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE APRIL 9TH.
SO ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT? DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS OR ON AGREEMENT? MM-HMM.
WE ONLY NEED FOUR PEOPLE, BUT YES.
WELL, BUT IT'S GOOD TO, YEAH, I, NO, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE UNTIL THE APRIL 9TH, 2024
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MEETING AB 29 50 FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND ACCEPT THE VOLUNTARY.IS THAT EVEN RELEVANT? NO, IT DOES, IT IS NOT NEEDED.
OKAY, GENTLEMEN, SO TELL RIPPY IT FAILED BECAUSE HE WASN'T HERE.
THAT'S ALL
AND, UM, WE CAN GET MEET EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS UNTIL THE APRIL 9TH.
HOPEFULLY THE G S R C WILL, AT LEAST THEY'VE MADE THEIR DECISION.
JIMMY'S CONTEMPLATING, I'VE, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
DID YOU JUST AGREE TO TABLE THE ORDINANCE UNTIL APRIL? YES.
DID YOU AGREE TO TABLE INDEFINITELY? NO.
BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE G S R C DOES.
IT GIVES THEM OH, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT, BUT THAT WAS AN OUR AGREEMENT FOR OUR SIDE OF THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.
AND THEN I HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH MY BUSINESS PARTNERS HERE, BUT, OH, WELL THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND YOU'RE ASKING US, I DON'T THINK WHAT, WHAT HASN'T COME UP IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN UPGRADES TO THESE VEHICLES.
PEOPLE THINK, OH, WE'LL JUST THROW SOME TURN SIGNALS ON A VEHICLE.
AM AM I CORRECT, YOUR HONOR? RIGHT.
WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING CLOSE TO WELL OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER VEHICLE IF YOU'RE TALKING EXHAUST TURN SIGNALS AND MAPPING.
AND SO YOU'RE ASKING US NOW TO BASICALLY PUT ALL OF THIS MONEY AND CAPITAL INTO OUR VEHICLES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY NOW, AND, AND, AND LISTEN, THIS IS
YOU TALK ABOUT A AGREEMENT WITH HOLES IN IT, RIGHT? AND, AND IN AN INDEFINITE, UM, TABLING OF THIS BAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. CHRISTENSEN IS 61 DAYS.
IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK IN 61 DAYS.
AND IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK SOONER.
AN INCIDENT IS JUST WITHOUT A DATE.
SO WE'RE ALREADY GOING ON TRUST FROM THE CITY COUNCIL THAT, THAT IT WAS GONNA BE TABLED INDEFINITELY, AND NOW WE CAN'T EVEN GET LESS THAN 180 DAYS, AND YET YOU'RE EXPECTING US TO PUT ALL THIS CAPITAL AND, AND, AND I, I, I GUESS I JUST, IT, IT KIND OF BLINDSIDED ME, UM, AS TO WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS, AND SPECIFICALLY THE LAST FEW WEEKS, THAT IT WOULD CHANGE SO QUICKLY BECAUSE, UM, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A, THERE'S A HUGE THREAT.
I HAVE LOST EMPLOYEES THAT ARE FEARFUL OF A CITY BAN COMING.
MY BUSINESS IS DOWN NEARLY 40% BECAUSE THERE IS NEWS OF A ORDINANCE AFFECTING SEDONA AND PEOPLE RIDING UP HERE.
AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING ME TO PUT THIS VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT IN AND, AND I CAN'T EVEN GET AN, AN INDEFINITE TABLING OF THE BAND, WHICH IS NOW LESS THAN 60 DAYS, I GUESS, KATHY.
I, I, I, THESE PROCESSES ARE, ARE CONFUSING IN THE TERMINOLOGY, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT YOU ARE NOT REALLY IN A DIFFERENT POSITION BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE COULD COME BACK AT ANY TIME ANYWAY.
NOW, THIS PUSHED IT OFF AT LEAST TILL, UM, APRIL FOR YOU, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE, THE POSITION HASN'T REALLY CHANGED BECAUSE IF WE WEREN'T PROCEEDING IN THE TERMS OF THAT WE'RE LAID OUT IN THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, IF WE, IF GOOD FAITH DIDN'T CONTINUE, THE ORDINANCE COULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BACK AT ANY TIME.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN DANGLING OUT THERE AS THE SORT OF NUCLEAR OPTION HAMMER.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, ALTHOUGH THERE SEEMS TO BE A DATE NOW THAT, THAT MAYBE YOU MAY BE INTERPRETING DIFFERENTLY.
IT HASN'T REALLY CHANGED ANYTHING IN YOUR, IN THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION, I THINK FOR YOU.
SO I, I JUST SUBMIT THAT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
IS THAT INCORRECT? UM, FROM STAFF.
WELL, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF HAVING, KNOWING THAT AND THEN BEING FEELING LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, UM, ON,
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ON, I JUST WONDER FROM THE GROUP, IS IT YOUR SENSE THAT IN INTEGRAL TO THIS AGREEMENT WAS AN INDEFINITE, WELL, YOU WEREN'T ON THE COMMITTEE.UM, AND SO I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR SENSE IS, BRIAN, BECAUSE I WOULD FEEL THAT IF THAT REALLY WAS AN AGREEMENT, THEN I COULD SORT OF UNDERSTAND, UH, A SORT OF, BECAUSE THERE IS A PUBLIC PERCEPTION OUT THERE, AND WHILE WE COULD ALWAYS BRING IT BACK, WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING, YEAH, WELL YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN.
AND THAT'S WHAT KATHY AND I MEAN, WE, WE WANT IT ANYWAY IN SOME, I'M SORT OF TORN ABOUT IT NOW BECAUSE I THINK IF IT WAS A KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THEN THERE HAS BEEN A KIND OF BREAK IN THE, IN THE KIND OF PROCESS.
SO BRIAN OR, OR HOLLY, GO AHEAD.
SO YEAH, WE'VE ABSOLUTELY TALKED ABOUT AN INDEFINITE, UM, TABLING OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILOR ELLA'S THOUGHT OF IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
AND MY EXPECTATION IS, IS THAT COME APRIL 9TH, WE'RE GONNA TABLE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO, AND THAT YOU'VE INDICATED A DESIRE TO SUPPORT WHAT THE G R C RECOMMENDS AS FAR AS, UM, ANY TYPE OF A PERMIT BASED SYSTEM.
SO I'M EXPECTING THAT WE'RE ALL STILL ON THE SAME PAGE COME APRIL 9TH.
LIKE I DON'T SEE THIS AS SOME NEW GOTCHA OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LAY THIS SO-CALLED NUCLEAR OPTION ON YOU GUYS.
AGAIN, LIKE I, I DON'T WANT US TO BE THINKING THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.
I, I JUST THINK MAYBE THE INTENT LOOKS BAD TO SOME OF THESE GUYS AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SIX YEARS AND I'M WAITING FOR THE CITY TO STEP UP TO BE HONEST, AND SPEND SOME MONEY AND DO SOME THINGS.
MAYBE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE DOING THIS VOLUNTARILY.
WHAT ARE WE GETTING FROM THE CITY? WELL, I, I COULD, WHAT, JUST LET ME SAY THIS TO YOU, DAVE.
FIRST OF ALL, BRIAN, WERE YOU DONE? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF.
I'VE GOT A FLIGHT I HAVE TO CATCH, SO I'M OKAY.
THE THING IS THAT, JIMMY, YOU HAD SAID SEVERAL TIMES YOU WERE GONNA DO THESE THINGS ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING AND ALL, ALL OF YOU HAVE SAID YOU'RE DOING THESE ANYWAY, DAVE, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THEM, YOU KNOW, DAN, YOU, YOU ALSO COMMITTED TO DOING.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE DOING ALL THESE THINGS AND YOU KNOW, NOW IT'S LIKE DAVE SAYS, WELL, WHAT ARE WE GETTING OUT OF IT? WELL, YOU'RE DOING BETTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO START WITH.
WE SAID WE WOULD LOOK AND CONSIDER ANOTHER ALTERNATE ROUTE, WHICH HASN'T BEEN, UH, HAS NOT BEEN AGENDIZED TO EVEN DISCUSS.
AND THERE WAS NO, UH, INTENTION THAT WE SAID, OH, WE'RE, IT'S GONNA BE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THAT WE HAVE NOT, BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED THE CULTURAL PART FOR THAT, BUT WE HAVE A PROCESS IN WHICH WE DO THINGS.
LIKE I SAID, THOSE ARE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO ANYWAY.
IT'S 180 DAYS AND THE FACT IS, ON THIS DATE IN APRIL, YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME COUNSEL HERE.
I HAVE YET TO SEE THE SAME COUNCIL TURN AROUND AND, AND HURT ANYBODY.
IT CAN HAPPEN TO A NEW COUNCIL.
I HOPE IT WOULDN'T BECAUSE TO HONOR THE AGREEMENT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN AGREEMENT.
IT'S NOT AN, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD.
YOU ARE JUST SIGNING IT AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, AG AGREEING TO DO IT.
BUT YOU, LIKE I SAID, YOU ARE GONNA DO THESE THINGS ANYWAY AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT NOT THE DEGREE THAT OF THIS VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOW WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT PERCENTAGE OF VEHICLES, OF PUTTING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN EACH ORDER.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THE INTENT OF THE AGREEMENT, WHICH IT STATES RIGHT HERE, UH, WHERE, WHERE THE CURSOR IS, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE SEAT ORDINANCE TO BE TABLED INDEFINITELY TO CONTINUE IMPLEMENTING THESE SAFETY UPDATES, RIGHT.
I COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE LEGALITY THAT THIS COULD BE BROUGHT BACK UP RIGHT TOMORROW.
SO, BUT THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT WE ARE UNDER AND THE THREAT OF SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS AGAIN IN LESS THAN 180 DAYS, I AM NOT HAPPY WITH, AND I'M NOT OKAY WITH, I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING, BASICALLY, THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE, I FORGOT HIS NAME.
JUST TELL TELLING ME THAT, THAT, UH, ON 3 31 24, IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE GSRC FINDINGS, THAT POTENTIALLY THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, OF A LIMITING PERMIT SYSTEM, MAYBE I WON'T BE IN AGREEMENT WITH HIM.
AND AT THAT POINT, YES, YOU CAN CERTAINLY WITH TWO PEOPLE, YOU CAN BRING UP THE ORDINANCE AGAIN, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE HELD TO AN ADDITIONAL DATE AT THAT TIME WHERE WE HAVE TO COME UP AND GO
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THROUGH THIS ENTIRE ORDEAL AGAIN.BUT HOW IS IT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ALREADY AGREED TO? IT'S THE SAME THING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S NOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT, NOT, NOT IN, NOT IN MY OPINION, NOT IN, NOT IN MY PIECE OF MY OPINION.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE DRAFTED IT UP.
AND THERE'S A LOOK YOU GUYS PUT A LOT OF HOLES IN, IN THAT, ON WHICH WE UNDERSTOOD THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE INTENTION OF, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT TOTALLY AMISS FROM WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
AND I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG, YOU'VE BEEN VERY STAND UP AND OPEN WITH EVERYTHING.
I DON'T SEE MYSELF TURNING AROUND AND PUSHING THIS FORWARD BEYOND, UH, YOU KNOW, TO ACTUALLY BRING IT BACK.
IT'S A DISCUSSION TOOL FOR 4 9 24 KATHY, UM, I WANTED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING THAT MR. SWART OUT SAID ABOUT WHEN IS THE CITY GONNA STEP UP AND FINANCIALLY I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE FUNDING G S R C.
WELL,
WE'RE FUNDING MONITORING AT BROKEN ARROW.
UM, WE'RE MONITORING ALL OF THAT FOR THE IMPACTS.
UM, SO THE CITY HAS STEPPED UP FINANCIALLY, THE CITY HAS STEPPED UP, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S A MATTER OF PERCEPTION, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PUBLIC MONIES ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS PUBLIC PROBLEM, TREAD LIGHTLY FUNDING ROD FUNDING, SHOULD WE'VE BEEN FUNDING, SHOULD WE TREAD LIGHTLY, RIGHT.
KAREN, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING ELSE THAT I MISSED THERE.
WE JUST SPENT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACTS AND DAMAGE THAT OHVS HAVE DONE, UM, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RELATIVE TO NOISE TO AIR QUALITY.
UM, SO WE'VE INVESTED SIGNIFICANT MONEY TRYING TO MITIGATE THE NEGATIVE EXTERNALITIES ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR INDUSTRY.
SO NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE PERMITTING THING THAT YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS, I DON'T THINK FOR PROBABLY ANY OF YOU HERE, WHEN WE DID THE RED ROCK PASSES, THE COMMUNITY IN SEDONA WAS UP IN ARMS SAYING, I'M NOT GONNA PAY FOR A PERMIT.
SO YOU THINK YOU'VE SEEN SOME CONTROVERSY? NOW WAIT TILL YOU GO TO THEM AND SAY, I LIVE OUT THERE, BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TOO.
AND I HAVE TO PAY 5,000, $200 A YEAR FOR A PERMIT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THIS PLACE IS GONNA BE FULL WITH CITIZENS UPSET.
SO YOU REALLY GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT A PERMITTING SYSTEM THAT THEY CAN'T SAY, WE HAVE OHVS, HAVE A PERMIT, AND YOUR JEEP YOU DON'T, OR YOU LIVE OUT THERE.
AND THE TONTO FOREST, IF YOU LIVE OUT THERE, YOU BUY THE $50 PERMIT.
CITIZENS IN SEDONA ARE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
PEOPLE GETTING INTO WHAT IFS SAID ARE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF OUR DISCUSSION.
WELL, BUT IT RAISE A QUESTION FOR ME, WHICH IS, WHICH ONE OF THE, IN THE LETTER THAT WAS PUT WAS THAT THERE'S SUPPORT FOR PERMITTING SYSTEM.
NOW HEARING FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE REPRESENTATIVE, A LACK OF SUPPORT FOR A PERMITTING SYSTEM.
NO, WE JUST CAN'T PERMIT SOMETHING.
THAT'S ALL WE FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH.
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY AFTER THE G S R C COMES UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, AND, YOU KNOW, IF NOT, WE GET TO DISCUSS THIS AGAIN, WHICH BRINGS US BACK TO THE APRIL 9TH DATE.
SO TO ME, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN, THAN PUTTING IT NEXT MONTH.
WHY DON'T WE JUST TABLE IT TILL NEXT MONTH? YOU'RE ASKING US TO PUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL INTO OUR VEHICLES EFFECTIVE TOMORROW TO GET EVERYTHING DONE ON AN AGREEMENT THAT WE BASED WAS, WAS TABLED INDEFINITELY.
I KNOW THAT IT MEANS ZERO, BUT IN, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND, AND SLEEPING AT NIGHT, 180 DAYS IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN NEXT MONTH OR THE FOLLOWING MONTH OR DECEMBER.
I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD'VE NEVER AGREED TO ANY OF THIS IF IT WASN'T AT LEAST A YEAR.
AND THE BEST THAT MR. CHRISTENSEN COULD GIVE ME WAS THAT THE NEW COUNSEL WAS COMING IN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, NEXT, UH, NOVEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OF 24, POSSIBLY NEXT NOVEMBER.
SO WE, WE FIGURED THAT WE WERE GETTING LIKE 13 MONTHS, 14 MONTHS AT BEST.
I, I AGREE THAT THIS STILL COULD HAPPEN RIGHT.
BUT IF IT'S REALLY NOT A BIG DEAL, THEN WHY ISN'T IT A BIG DEAL TO JUST AGREE TO THE TERMS THAT WE BOTH AGREED ON IN THE COMMITTEE, IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON? THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
THIS IS WHY HAVING IT AS A COMMITTEE, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A DECISION OF THE BODY.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE POINTS THAT WERE RAISED BY COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, UH, COUNSELOR DUNNING MYSELF, ABOUT HOW THE COMMITTEE'S STRUCTURED.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO BE IN FRONT OF THE BODY.
WE HAVE ALWAYS SAID AT THE COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO APPROVE AN AGREEMENT, AND IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.
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KNOW THAT.UM, I DON'T SEE THIS ANY, ANY DIFFERENCE.
IT DOESN'T PAY TO REPEAT OURSELVES.
BUT, AND I, AGAIN, I'M NOT SEEING MYSELF AS WANTING TO DO ANYTHING MORE WITH THE ORDINANCE, SO, OKAY.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK, GENTLEMEN.
[8.d. AB 2993 Discussion/possible direction regarding roles and responsibilities and work program for the newly established Tourism Advisory Board]
D, AB 29 93.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND WORK PROGRAM FOR THE NEWLY ESTABLISHED TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD.
UH, SINCE WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER AN 11 MEMBER TOURISM ADVISORY BODY, UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS MORE BROADLY ABOUT WHAT THIS BODY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
BUT BEFORE YOU START TO, UH, HAVE YOUR INTERVIEWS WITH THE 20 OR SO FINALISTS FOR THOSE TAB POSITIONS, WE WANTED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO TALK MORE GRANULARLY ABOUT THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE BOARD, AS WELL AS WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE MEANING STAFF KIND OF ENVISION AS THE FIRST THREE MAJOR WORK PROGRAM ITEMS, WHICH WILL EASILY, I THINK GET THE TAB THROUGH THEIR FIRST YEAR OF, UM, OF BEING TOGETHER AS A GROUP AND WEIGHING IN ON OUR TOURISM PROGRAM.
SO YOU'VE SEEN THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE WORK PROGRAM ITEMS BEFORE, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO, TO DIGEST SOME OF THIS, UH, BROADLY JUST BULLET POINTS ABOUT HOW THIS TAB WILL FUNCTION, WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE EXPECTED TO DO, AND THEN WHAT THE ADVISORY BOARD WOULD NOT DO, AND WHAT THE MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY BOARD WOULD NOT DO, JUST SO THAT WE CAN MAKE IT REAL CLEAR SO THAT AS YOU HAVE YOUR INTERVIEWS, UM, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN ON ONE WITH THE CANDIDATES, AND IT IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS FOR THEM, RIGHT? SO I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL, SINCE THIS IS NOT AN ESTABLISHED BODY WITH A TRACK RECORD.
IT'S, IT'S A, A BRAND NEW BOARD.
SO IN SOME WAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF REINVENTING, UH, THINGS HERE OR BUILDING THEM FROM THE GROUND UP.
SO THIS IS THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT I WOULD EXPECT GETS CONVEYED TO THE CANDIDATES, UM, BEFORE THEY COMMIT TO JOINING THE BOARD IF OFFERED A SEAT ON THAT, ON THAT BODY.
AND THEN THE WORK PROGRAM ITEMS JUST TO, NOT AS A REMINDER, UM, THE FIRST THING WE ENVISION THEM DOING, AND WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT A PUBLIC MEETING PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE HAD OUR CONSULTANT, HEATHER HERMAN FROM FRONT, UH, BURNER MEDIA HERE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS STRATEGIC PLANNING EXERCISE THAT THE TAB WOULD, WOULD GO THROUGH, ULTIMATELY CRAFT A STRATEGIC PLAN, A HIGH LEVEL SORT OF GUIDANCE DOCUMENT THAT ULTIMATELY THEY WILL NOT BE THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS ON, AS THEY ARE NOT THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS ON ANYTHING POLICY, UH, RELATED, BUT RATHER IT WOULD BE VETTED THROUGH THAT BODY FOR THEIR INPUT, FOR THEIR FEEDBACK.
UM, AND THEN THEY WOULD ULTIMATELY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ON THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING DOCUMENT.
WE HAVE ALREADY, UM, ENGAGED A FIRM TO START THAT WORK SO WE CAN BE READY TO GO AS SOON AS THE TAB IS SEATED WITH THIS, UM, VERY FIRST WORK PROGRAM ITEM.
I EXPECT THAT THAT IS PROBABLY A FOUR MONTH OR SO PROCESS.
AND, UM, THE SECOND ITEM WE HAVE ON THE LIST IS TO WORK WITH A BRANDING AND MARKETING FIRM.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED AT A HIGH LEVEL OF, AROUND THE NEED TO NOT ONLY RESUME SOME VERY TARGETED AND STRATEGIC MARKETING FOR THE DESTINATION, BUT REALLY DETERMINE, DEVELOP WHAT, WHAT IS THE BRAND? WHAT IS, WHAT DO WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE IN A BIGGER SENSE TO POTENTIAL VISITORS ABOUT WHO AND WHAT WE ARE AS, AS A DESTINATION.
THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VETTED.
IT WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC PROCESS MOST LIKELY, UM,
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TO, TO ALL OF THE THINGS ON THE, ON THIS LIST.SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE THE TAB, IT WOULD BE THE TAB, MUCH LIKE WE SEE WITH A P AND Z AS WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC, WE GET COMMUNITY INPUT, WE BRING IT TO THE ADVISORY BODY, AND THEN THEY ULTIMATELY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT IN TERMS OF A SEDONA BRAND AND MAYBE SOME MORE STRATEGIC MARKETING SORT OF CREATIVE CONCEPTS AND, AND, AND MARKETING GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, THAT THE TAB WOULD WEIGH IN ON THOSE.
AND THEN THOSE WOULD BE ULTIMATELY, UH, BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR DECISION MAKING.
THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT OUT TO R F P, SO WE'RE REVIEWING, UM, FIRMS FOR THIS AS WELL.
YOU'LL HAVE MORE OF AN UPDATE ON KIND OF EVERYTHING THAT'S IN PLAY ON THE 26TH, WHICH IS OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO ELABORATE MORE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN FINALLY, THAT, THAT IS PROBABLY ANOTHER SIX MONTHS WORTH OF WORK.
OF COURSE IT WILL BE ONGOING FOR IMPLEMENTATION, BUT THE STRATEGY PART OF BRANDING AND MARKETING THAT WILL GO THROUGH THIS BOARD.
AND ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE, WE ENVISION KIND OF THE NEXT MAJOR WORK PROGRAM ITEM WOULD BE A SUSTAINABLE TOURISM PLAN THAT MAY BE AN UPDATE TO THE EXISTING PLAN, OR THAT PLAN MAY NOT BE RELEVANT ENOUGH STILL, UM, TO, TO EVEN USE THAT AS A, A BASIS, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD START FROM SCRATCH IN DEVELOPING THE STRATEGIES AND THE TACTICS FOR HOW WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THE VISION AND THE STRATEGY THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED BY THE TAB.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A MORE OPERATIONAL, MORE TACTICAL KIND OF PLANNING DOCUMENT FOR HOW TO MAINTAIN, UM, A SUSTAINABLE DESTINATION.
SO WITH THAT, I'M READY TO TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK, YOUR EDITS, SO THAT WE CAN FINALIZE THESE TWO, UH, PIECES OF INFORMATION TO PASS ALONG TO THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES.
AND, UM, AND ALSO INCORPORATE INTO A RULES OF PROCEDURE DOCUMENT FOR THIS NEW BODY.
AND, UH, THAT WILL INCLUDE OTHER PROCEDURAL THINGS, THE OPEN MEETING, LAW INFORMATION AND OTHER THINGS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE, UH, FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
BUT THIS WILL ALSO BE PART OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO THOSE RULES OF PROCEDURE.
KAREN, DO YOU SEE ANY NEED TO PUT IN THE, OR LET ME SEE, DO YOU SEE ANY NEED FOR THE BOARD TO BRING IN CONSULTANTS ON THEIR OWN TO DO ANY, AND I, I THINK I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT I WANTED, I KNOW IT'S HAPPENED WITH PRIOR COMMISSIONS YEARS AND YEARS AGO, WHERE THEY WANT TO BRING IN ALL THESE PEOPLE, SHOULD THAT BE IN HERE, THAT, THAT THERE'S NO EXPECTATION THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO NOT BRING IN CONSULTANTS WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEIR JOB WOULD BE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLICITLY STATED.
UH, THEY WOULD HAVE, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AGENDIZED BY THE BODY IN ORDER FOR THEM TO COLLECTIVELY EVEN MAKE ANY DECISION.
THEY WILL NOT BE MANAGING BUDGETS, SO THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GO AHEAD AND, AND HIRE.
WHAT THEY COULD DO IS AS PART OF WHATEVER PROCESS OR WHATEVER, UH, WORK PROGRAM ITEM THEY'RE WORKING ON, THEY COULD SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED SOMEONE TO COME IN AND DO X.
AND THAT CAN BE THEN DISCUSSED IN THAT PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT.
AND ULTIMATELY STAFF ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES WHO ARE MAKING THE DECISIONS ON ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES WITHIN OUR, UM, AUTHORITY.
ANYTHING BEYOND THAT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION WAY BACK OF, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF THESE 11 PEOPLE GOING OUT TO THEIR PERSPECTIVE, UH, INTERESTS AND DOING OUTREACH AND OR, UH, MEETING WITH PEOPLE.
IS THAT STILL IN YOUR, UH, THOUGHTS OR NO? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON HERE OF WHAT THE BOARD ARE IS EXPECTED TO DO.
SO THE BOARD, AS INDIVIDUALS ARE EXPECTED, TALKS ABOUT SORT OF COMING PREPARED, BRINGING THEIR EXPERTISE AND THEIR INSIGHTS.
SO IF THEY HAVE BEEN SELECTED BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE A HOTELIER MM-HMM.
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BRINGING TO THE TABLE, BUT WE'RE SELECTING THEM FOR THEIR DIRECT KNOWLEDGE ROLES, EXPERTISE.WE WILL, BECAUSE THEY'RE PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE WILL ALSO BE POSTING IZING, INVITING OTHERS TO COME AND CONTRIBUTE THROUGH THE PUBLIC FORUM PORTION OF THE MEETING AND SO FORTH.
SO I THINK THAT WHEN YOU ALL DO YOUR INTERVIEWS WITH THE CANDIDATES, IF YOU HAVE A DESIRE THAT THEY REACH OUT TO, TO THE GROUPS THAT THEY'RE AFFILIATED WITH, TO BRING A BROADER PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S CERTAINLY VALUABLE.
UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE SELECTING THEM FOR, FOR WHAT THEY BRING AS INDIVIDUALS.
JESSICA, YOU HAVE SOMETHING PETE? YEAH.
UH, KAREN, I HAVE A QUESTION UNDER, UM, THE WORK PROGRAM ITEM TWO.
I THOUGHT HE SAID NO WHEN YOU SAID HIS NAME.
WHAT HAPPENS THEN? I KNOW, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T HEAR ME.
SO THE BAD SIDE, I SAID ON THE BAD EAR SIDE OF HER, SO THAT'S FINE.
ONE, JUST LOOKING AT THE WORK PLAN, AND KAREN, YOU SAID AS MUCH THAT IT MIGHT BE OPTIMISTIC AND I SUSPECT IT, IT MIGHT BE, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE MEATY TOPIC FOR BOTH STAFF AND, AND THE, AND THE ADVISORY BOARD TO DIG INTO.
UH, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE SEQUENCE 1, 2, 3, AND, AND I'M SURE THAT BRIGHT MINDS HAVE ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, BUT I WOULD THINK IN PART OF THE WORK OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THE GROUP WOULD AT LEAST HAVE FAMILIARIZED THEMSELVES WITH THE EXISTING TOURISM PLAN BECAUSE THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY INFORM THE MARKETING BRANDING CAMPAIGN AFTERWARDS.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY A SEQUENCE OF, I UNDERSTAND THREE BEING, OKAY, NOW LET'S DIG INTO THE TOURISM PLAN, BUT ELEMENTS OF IT, OR THE EXISTENCE OF IT AND THE PRO CONNIE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT WOULD HAPPEN UNDER THE FIRST OF THE VERY LIKELY.
I THINK THAT IS A VERY STRATEGIC DOCUMENT THAT WILL, THAT, THAT ANYBODY WHO TAKES A A POSITION ON THIS BOARD IS GOING TO WANT TO FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH.
UM, SO THAT THEY CAN BE, YOU KNOW, CAN WEIGH IN, CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF ONE WHERE WE'VE COME FROM AS WELL, UM, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THE STRATEGIC PLANNING EFFORT.
AND THEN IS THERE AN EXPECTATION NOW FOR THIS BOARD TO BE MEETING FOR ITS MEETINGS TO BE BROADCAST? LIKE WE DO SOME OF THE OTHERS NOW? YES.
AND WE'VE ALREADY ARRANGED WOULD THAT, UM, SO MEETINGS WILL BE IN HERE.
THEY'LL BE BROADCAST JUST LIKE COUNCIL.
HOW WILL THEY DO? 11 PEOPLE? YEAH.
WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A CONFIGURATION THAT THAT LENDS ITSELF TO THAT.
BUT, UM, THIS IS THE ROOM THAT WE, THE ONLY ROOM WE CAN BROADCAST FROM.
KATHY, YOU DID SAY MY NAME, RIGHT? OKAY.
UM, SO UNDER THE WORK PROGRAM, ITEM TWO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL THERE.
WHAT DO YOU ENVISION THEM? THE, THE THE TAB WORKING WITH THE SELECTED BRANDING MARKETING FIRM AND STAFF TO OFFER INPUT? WOULD THEY BE WORKING WITH THE BRANDING MARKETING FIRM DIRECTLY OR ONLY THROUGH STAFF? THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I HAVE.
SO I THINK THE WAY WE'VE SCOPED THE WORK IS THAT THE FIRM, WHOEVER FIRM OR FIRMS, 'CAUSE THERE COULD BE PIECES OF THIS THAT WE USE ONE FIRM FOR ONE PIECE AND ANOTHER FIRM FOR ANOTHER PIECE.
BUT IT IS SCOPED THAT THERE WILL BE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
SO ALL OF THE FIRMS HAVE EXPECTATIONS THAT WHETHER THAT BE PUBLIC MEETINGS, MEETINGS WITH THE TAB, IT WOULD BASICALLY SERVE AS A A PUBLIC MEETING.
SO JUST IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE OFTEN HAVE CONSULTANTS COME IN, UM, WHEN WE ARE UPDATING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOU HAD THE CONSULTANTS DIRECTLY INTERFACING WITH P AND Z MM-HMM.
THAT, THAT ALL ANSWERED MY FIRST QUESTION AND THE ONE I DIDN'T EVEN ASK ALREADY.
SO THIS MORNING THE LODGING COUNCIL HAD A MEETING AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT CAMPAIGNS FROM THE SEDONA VERDE VALLEY MARKETING
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ASSOCIATION, MEANING THE HOTELIERS AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.AND IT'S, UH, AND THEY WERE ONE, THEY WERE SORT OF ONE, AND NOW THEY'RE TWO, BUT THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO BE ONE WITH THE CHAMBER.
UH, AND THEY TALKED SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY'RE TWO TRYING TO GET TO ONE THAT WILL TAKE THEM A YEAR, MAYBE BEFORE THAT CAN HAPPEN.
BUT THEY'RE COLLABORATING ON THE MESSAGING THAT THEIR NEXT PHASE OF THE CAMPAIGN THAT THEY'RE, UH, LOOKING AT STARTING IN OCTOBER FOR A WINTER CAMPAIGN THAT THEY WOULD COLLABORATE SO THAT IT WOULD BE A SINGLE MESSAGE.
AND THEN AFTER, UH, AN UPDATE FROM THE CITY WAS PRESENTED, THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT, WELL, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE'S ANOTHER CAMPAIGN THAT COULD BE INCONSISTENT OR SEND DIFFERENT MESSAGES OR MAYBE TARGETING THE SAME PEOPLE OR DIFFERENT PEOPLE? AND HOW IS THAT ALL GONNA WORK? AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION OF HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE POTENTIALLY WANNA VISIT OUR CITY DON'T GET CONFLICTING MESSAGES.
THEY COULD GET DIFFERENT MESSAGES, BUT NOT CONFLICTING MESSAGES.
SO I KNOW WE HAVE AN INTENTION TO DO A WINNER CAMPAIGN OURSELVES FOR THE SAME, YOU KNOW, WINTER MONTHS AND, UH, DO WE HAVE A, SO HOW WOULD THE TAB OR THE CITY STAFF COORDINATE, COLLABORATE WITH THESE OTHER EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING ON TO AVOID CONFUSION AND HOW, AND WHAT ROLE WOULD THE TAB HAVE IN ALL OF THAT? SO I THINK THE WINTER CAN CAMPAIGN SPECIFICALLY IS TOO SOON FOR THE TAB.
RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE PART OF WORK PROGRAM NUMBER TWO, THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT IS AN IN-HOUSE STAFF DRIVEN EFFORT, SHOULD COUNCIL SANCTION IT AND WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD, WHICH YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING IN TWO WEEKS.
SO, SO THAT IS NOT A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A WINTER CAMPAIGN, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT IT TO YOU AND LET YOU DECIDE.
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE IS OF THE CHAMBER, THE SEDONA VERDE VALLEY MARKETING ALLIANCE, THE LODGING COUNCIL, AND THEIR EFFORTS TO DO MARKETING FOR THE DESTINATION.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS THE COMMITMENT THAT THE CITY HAS TOWARDS DOING THAT AND DOING IT IN A WAY THAT IS STRATEGIC AND TARGETED AND, UM, AND, AND RESPONSIBLE IN TERMS OF, OF, OF OUR GOALS, WHICH ARE STILL SORT OF TO BE DETERMINED AS THE PROGRAM GETS DEVELOPED.
SO I WISH I COULD ANSWER THAT.
I'M CERTAINLY, UM, MORE THAN HAPPY AND OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE FOLKS AT THE CHAMBER OR THE LODGING COUNCIL OR THE VERDE VALLEY TOURISM ALLIANCE, WHOMEVER THAT CONSISTS OF, AND TRYING TO COLLABORATE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN BE COMPLIMENTARY TO EACH OTHERS.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SHOULD SLOW US DOWN.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL ATTEMPT TO MAKE THOSE, THOSE EFFORTS AND DO THAT.
UM, BUT, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING TO DO MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, THERE CERTAINLY WAS THE, THE, UH, THE WORDS WERE EXPRESSED THAT COLLABORATION WOULD MAKE SENSE.
UH, NOW WHAT HEATHER WAS TALKING ABOUT, IF WE MOVED FORWARD, WE WOULD BE TARGETING UTAH, COLORADO.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
SO THEY MAY BE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CAMPAIGNS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF, UH, VISITORS.
BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT, AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T KNOW MM-HMM.
THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT DRIVE MARKETS AND THEY ARE ONE, ONE OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TARGETING IS, IS MORE OF A DATE TRIP TYPE OR A SHORT TERM.
AND I THINK WE'RE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A LONGER STAY, UM, MAYBE A DIFFERENT KIND OF DEMOGRAPHIC THAT, THAT MIGHT BE WILLING TO SPEND MORE.
UM, WHILE THEY'RE HERE, WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO EMPHASIZE THE RECREATE RESPONSIBLE MESSAGING.
SO WE WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE DESTINATION.
UM, SO ALL OF IT TO BE DETERMINED, I THINK TO SOME EXTENT.
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FORWARD TO JUST SHARING OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT A POSSIBLE WINTER CAMPAIGN WITH THE COUNCIL IN TWO WEEKS WHERE WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN RIGHT.AND IT CERTAINLY, THEY WERE ENCOURAGED TO COME TO COUNCIL AND HEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO AND, AND THE PROGRAM.
AND WE'LL BE DOING SOME ADDITIONAL OUTREACH TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY GOOD FOR THAT MEETING TO, TO HOPEFULLY INVITE THEM AND WELCOME THEM TO COME PARTICIPATE AND LISTEN AT LEAST TO, TO THE PLANS THAT WE ARE PITCHING TO COUNCIL.
WELL, AND PARTICULARLY ANY LEADS THAT WE GET THAT WE WANT TO PUSH OUT.
AND THE OTHER, WELL, WE CAN OPEN UP, OPEN THE, UH, ITEM OF A DISCUSSION WITH THE, TO THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC FORUM.
WORD FOR LAST NAME? YOU COULD BE
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO WORKS HARDER.
SO YEAH, A FREE CARD TO FILL OUT AND COMMENTS.
THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
UH, JESSICA, I'M HAPPY WITH THE DOCUMENT AS IT'S WRITTEN.
SO MINE, THAT'S REALLY A POWERFUL COMMENT.
CAN YOU JUST TOUCH ON A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT HEATHER WAS, UH, AND I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME.
I KNOW YOU GAVE IT, UH, TO ME, I DON'T HAVE IT NOW, BUT SOME, SHE WAS, SHE PRESENTED EARLIER TODAY AT THE LODGE COUNCIL AND SPOKE ABOUT GERMANY, SOME OTHER PLACES, UH, THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE WORKING TO, TO MARKET TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ITEMS. SO I, I I THINK THAT'S IS PROBABLY, I, TRUST ME WE WILL GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE SPECIFICS OF THAT.
BUT I, I BELIEVE GENERALLY WHAT HEATHER WAS REFERRING TO IS WE DO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE A O T BECAUSE WE ARE THE OFFICIAL DESIGNATED DESTINATION MARKETING AND MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION FOR SEDONA.
SO THROUGH THEIR RURAL CO-OP PARTNERSHIP, WHICH MOST OF YOU I THINK ARE FAMILIAR WITH, THAT WE'VE, UM, PARTICIPATED, UH, VIA THE TOURISM BUREAU IN THE PAST.
BUT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PICK, SORT OF BE STRATEGIC ABOUT, THERE'S MANY A MENU OF OPTIONS THAT A O T GIVES DESTINATIONS OF WHERE YOU CAN INVEST YOUR MONEY TO LEVERAGE MONEY FROM THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO, TO FOCUS ON, I MEAN THERE'S EVERYTHING FROM ANALYTICS TO TO TO MORE TRADITIONAL MARKETING RESEARCH AND, AND WEB DEVELOPMENT AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO WE'LL BE PREPARED TO TELL YOU WHAT WERE THE THINGS THAT WE STAFF SELECTED AND WHY, AND MORE OF THE SPECIFICS ABOUT EACH, WHAT EACH ONE OF THOSE CONSISTS OF.
BUT SOME OF THAT IS TARGETED INTERNATIONAL MARKETS.
AND THEN WOULD YOU CONSIDER HAVING HEATHER PRESENT AT THE NEXT LODGING COUNCIL MEETING, BUT AN ACTUAL PRESENTATION? SEE IF THEY'LL ALLOW HER TO, 'CAUSE SHE SPOKE FOR FIVE MINUTES THIS MORNING AND SHE WAS WELL RECEIVED AND THEY, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE SAID, WOW, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY, IT, IT'LL PROBABLY BE NEXT MONTH, SO IT'LL BE AFTER THE, THE END OF THE MONTH, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING ANYWAY.
BUT JUST TO PUT THAT INTO CONCRETE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT IT'S COMING, I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO GO OUT TO ANY BUSINESS GROUP AND SHARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE NEW TOURISM BUREAU.
WHETHER THAT'S HEATHER, WHETHER THAT'S KEEGAN OR, OR SOMEONE ELSE.
I THINK ONCE THE COUNCIL WE'RE HAPPY TO ENGAGE THE, ONCE THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE YEAH.
I SAY THAT LOVE FEISTY TODAY, AREN'T YOU? YEAH, I KNOW.
SO I JUST MADE MY COMMENT WAS THAT IT'S FINE AS IT WAS SO I MOVE IT TO MY PERSON TO THE RIGHT.
WHEN IS IT GONNA BE SENT TO THE CANDIDATES? SO I, UM, I'LL COORDINATE WITH JOE AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING SENSITIVE TO THAT.
IS EVERYBODY, UH, ALL 21 CONFIRMED, I THINK 20 OUT OF THE 2120 THAT FINE.
TWO VIRTUAL THROUGH VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
[8.e. Reports/discussion regarding Council assignments]
REPORT, UH, DISCUSSION, UH, REGARDING COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.RECENTLY THE LIBRARY? NO, IT SAYS ABOUT THE RECYCLE CENTER.
YOU MAY HAVE READ IN THE PAPER OR HEARD FROM PEOPLE THAT THE RECYCLE CENTER HAS CLOSED DOWN THE MOUNTAIN SHADOWS COLLECTION,
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UH, DEPOSIT BECAUSE OF DUMPING MM-HMM.I THINK FOR ABOUT SHADOW THERE WAS SOME PALLETS FROM WHAT LOOKED LIKE CONTRACTORS.
BUT I KNOW WHEN I GO TO CULTURE PARK AND I SEE THE RECYCLE AREA AND ALSO AT POSSE GROUNDS, IT'S WITHOUT EXCEPTION, THERE ARE DEAD BROKEN CHAIRS AND TABLES AND BIG BOXES OF, OF MISCELLANEOUS JUNK THAT PEOPLE JUST LEAVE THERE.
WELL I THINK THE RECYCLE CENTER DOES NOT WANT TO, CANNOT CONTINUE TO CLEAN UP BASICALLY A DUMP SITE.
AND SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT MONITORING, PARTICULARLY CULTURE PARK AND POSSE GROUND AND IF DUMPING CONTINUES AND PEOPLE DON'T LOOK, UH, BATHE THE SIGN THAT SAYS NO DUMPING
AND THE ONLY FACILITY THAT WILL REMAIN OPEN WILL BE THE CENTRAL RECYCLING FACILITY WHERE THEY ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM OF PEOPLE DUMPING STUFF THERE.
BUT AT LEAST THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY AND MAYBE THEY COULD, WE'RE LOOKING, KAREN'S GOING TO GET BACK AND DO SOME RESEARCH ON, ON, UM, WHAT, WHAT OPTIONS THE CITY HAS FOR ACTUALLY PURSUING VIOLATIONS OF THAT SORT.
I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE SPENDING A LOT OF ITS TIME LOOKING FOR ILLEGAL DUMPERS.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY BECAUSE OF BAD ACTORS IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH I HAVE TO SAY WILL ALWAYS EXIST IF WE CLEAN THE SITE UP FOR THE RECYCLE CENTER, IT WOULD, I BELIEVE JUST ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO DUMP THEIR, OH LOOK, I DUMPED IT AND THEY TOOK IT AWAY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE, BUT THEY'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND THEY CAN NO LONGER HANDLE THE, THE FEW BAD ACTORS WHO ARE CONTINUING TO, TO JUST DUMP STUFF THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET THE PUBLIC AND TO LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT THAT'S ON THE, THAT'S ON THE HORIZON.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION ON SURE.
ON THE RECYCLING, IT'S NOT AGENDAS FOR DISCUSSION.
IT'S NOT AGENDAS FOR DISCUSSION COUNSEL.
PETE, DO YOU HAVE ANY REPORTS? NO.
UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? NOTHING.
[10. ADJOURNMENT]
NOTHING.