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ALL RIGHT.[Special City Council on September 27, 2023.]
EVERYBODY.LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
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UH, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL.
MAYOR BLO, PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU.
ITEM THREE, SPECIAL BUSINESS AB 29 83.
PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY OF SEDONA AND ARIZONA WATER COMPANY'S COLLABORATIVE WORK ON A LOCAL, UH, WATER RESOURCE ASSESSMENT AND INTEGRATED WATER DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
AND JOHN, YOU'RE GOING TO START, OR? YES, SIR.
INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW YOU, AND THEN TO YOUR, UH, COWORKERS, PLEASE.
UM, I'M THE DIVISION MANAGER FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY.
I WILL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SYSTEM HERE, AND I'LL, I'LL GO INTO MY INTRODUCTIONS HERE, UM, WHEN YOU'RE READY.
UM, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO IT, I HAD A, I HAD A, I HAD A THOUGHT, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM.
UM, YOU ALL APPARENTLY HAD AN IN INTERNAL DISCUSSION, INFORMATIONAL TYPE OF THING.
I, I DUNNO WHAT, WHAT IT WAS ABOUT, BUT COUNCILMAN FURMAN CALLED ME ON THE, ON THE PHONE AND HE HAD A QUESTION FOR ME.
AND THE QUESTION THEY ASKED ME WAS, UM, IS THERE SOMETHING GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT? AND I THOUGHT, THAT STUCK WITH ME, UM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S REALLY NOT THE CASE.
UM, THE CASE IS THAT PRIOR TO 2019, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, UM, DID ALL OF THEIR WATER RESOURCE WORK IN-HOUSE WITH THE OFFICERS FROM THE COMPANY.
UH, THERE WAS NOT A WATER RESOURCE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WITH A LOT OF OUR SYSTEMS BEING IN THE LARGER, LARGER AREAS OF ARIZONA OR LARGER COMMUNITIES OF ARIZONA, WITHIN THE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREAS, THAT WAS A HANDFUL FOR JUST THOSE GUYS.
UM, SO IN 2019, THEY HIRED TERRY C ROSSI, AND TERRY C ROSSI CAME ON AS A, UM, WATER RESOURCE MANAGER, A MANAGER MM-HMM.
AND FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW THE DATES OR ANYTHING, BUT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, TERRY SUE, WHO IS VERY GOOD AT WHAT SHE DOES, HELPED OUT WITH THE OFFICERS IN, IN TERMS OF THE, THE, UM, WATER RES OR COMPANY'S WATER RESOURCE, UM, ISSUES IN THE LARGER AREAS, THE LARGER COMMUNITIES OF ARIZONA.
WELL, TIME WENT BY A LITTLE BIT, AND, UH, TERRY SUE STARTED TO BUILD A TEAM, AND AT ONE POINT SHE BECAME A VICE PRESIDENT.
SO IT'S NOW TERRY SUE'S A VICE PRESIDENT OF WATER RESOURCES FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY.
UM, SO MORE TIME GOES AND SHE HAS, SHE STARTS BUILDING HER TEAM AND, AND, AND SHE ADDS EUCA EUCA, UM, WHAT'S YOUR TITLE? WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR.
WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR, OKAY.
AND THEN JEFF INWOOD, THE HYDROLOGIST
UM, AND HE CAME ON AS A HYDROLOGIST, AND ETHAN RECENTLY JOINED THE TEAM.
AND DOWN SOUTH IN OUR PHOENIX OFFICE, WE HAVE A MELINDA, WHO IS A, UM, ANALYST AND, AND SHE TAKES CARE OF CRUNCHING ALL THE NUMBERS.
AND WE HAVE SEVERAL REGIONAL EXPERTS WHO YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT
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LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION.UM, SO NOW WE HAVE THIS TEAM AND THE WATER COMPANY TASKS THIS TEAM TO BEGIN DEVELOPING THESE CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, INTEGRATED DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT OUR, OUR COMPANY.
UM, THE LOGICAL PLACE TO START, OF COURSE, WAS IN THE AREAS THAT WERE IN THE, IN THE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREAS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THEY, THAT'S WHERE THEY CUT THEIR TEETH ON THESE PROGRAMS. SO OVER A PERIOD OF TIME NOW, THEY'VE DEVELOPED THE PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY IN, IN THOSE AREAS.
AND QUITE SIMPLY, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING HIDDEN.
IT IS JUST SEDONAS TURN TO HAVE THIS.
AND OVER TIME, I GET ASKED QUITE OFTEN HOW MUCH WATER'S DOWN THERE, UM, HOW, WHAT, WHAT'S OUR FUTURE LOOK LIKE? UM, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE HEADED? UM, ARE WE, ARE WE OKAY GONNA BE OKAY FOR THE FUTURE? WELL, NOW, NOW WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT AND, UM, NOT ALL AT ONCE, OVER PROBABLY A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF OUR SYSTEM AND, AND WE'LL LET THESE GUYS DO WHAT THEY DO BEST.
ARIZONA WATER COMPANY WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1955 AND CAME TO THE SEDONA AREA IN 1963.
SO THAT'S HOW LONG, THAT'S HOW LONG THE COMPANY'S BEEN IN SEDONA.
IT'S A US OWNED, A US OWNED AND FAMILY OPERATED.
IT'S A, IT'S A FAMILY THAT OWNS THIS COMPANY AND, AND BY FAMILY, IT'S ALL OF US.
SO THAT'S THE SECOND LARGEST INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY IN ARIZONA.
AND IT SERVES EIGHT COUNTIES OUT OF THIS DIVISION.
YOU HAVE A PIE IN COCONINO, THE 14 INCORPORATED AREAS AND 24 WATER SYSTEMS OUT OF THIS AREA.
I MANAGE FOUR WA WE MANAGE FOUR WATER SYSTEMS, 105,000 CONNECTIONS IN SEDONA.
WE HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 6,800 CONNECTIONS, BUT DIVISION-WIDE, WE SERVE ABOUT 11,000 SOMETHING CONNECTIONS.
300,000 PEOPLE SERVED POPULATION FOR OUR DIVISION.
I'M, I'M, I COULDN'T PUT AN EXACT NUMBER ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE 23 EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR, UM, OUR DIVISION OUT OF THIS OFFICE FOR OUR COMPANY OUTTA THIS OFFICE.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING IN TOWN RIGHT NOW, THE SUMMER.
AND THIS LAST YEAR HAS BEEN BUSY, BUT THERE ARE THREE THAT, THAT STAND OUT THAT I THINK PROBABLY EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM DEALT WITH AT SOME POINT.
UM, THE BIGGEST ONE IS THE EAST SEDONA TANK.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU DRIVE BY THERE EVERY DAY THAT WE START A CONSTRUCTION ON THE EAST SEDONA TANK.
AND, UM, THAT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
THAT PROJECT WAS IN 30 YEARS IN THE MAKING, UM, IN AND OUT AND AROUND AND ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND, UM, A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO IT ON EVERYBODY'S PART.
UM, THEY GOT THE, UM, ROAD, THE ACCESS ROAD THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED TO GET OFF OF 1 79 DOWN TO THE, DOWN TO THE PARCEL.
AND I WAS JUST TALKING TO ANDY DICKEY AND I'M PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WITH WHAT THEY INSTALLED, BECAUSE WHAT I VISUALIZED, EVEN WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING STAGES OF THIS, WAS THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A DIRT GOAT TRAIL DOWN THERE AND THERE'S GONNA BE DUMP TRUCKS, BUMPING UP AND DOWN, CARRYING BUCKET LOADS OF ROCKS, AND JUST SOMETHING ELSE I SAW IN MY HEAD, I GUESS, WELL, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
TAKE THE TIME IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY THERE TO PULL OVER THERE AND PULL DOWN IN THERE IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET OUT, YOU NEED TO BE WEARING A VEST AND A HARD HAT.
BUT, UM, TO, TO GO SEE THAT ROAD, GO, GO THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND LOOK THROUGH THE FENCE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
SO, UM, COMING IN AND OUT OF, THERE'S NOTHING TO BE QUITE WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UM, TAKING CARE OF THE TREES.
WE HAVE AN ARBORIST DOWN THERE THAT STARTED TODAY EXPOSING THE ROOTS ON THE TREES SO THAT THEY CAN PREPARE THEM TO GO IN THE BOXES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A LONGER PROCESS THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO.
YOU KNOW, JUST PLUCK 'EM OUTTA THE GROUND AND STICK 'EM IN A BOX.
BUT, UM, THEY'RE DOING THEIR BEST TO, UM, TO MAKE THAT WORK.
LIKE IT, LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS DESIGNED TO WORK.
AND THEN THEY'RE LOOKING TO START BLASTING SOMEWHERE AROUND THE FIRST WEEK IN NOVEMBER, UH, FIRST OR SECOND WEEK IN NOVEMBER, THEY'LL BLAST AND TIFFANY CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE HAULING THE MATERIALS OUT.
SO, UM, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE SHOULD HAVE A BIG HOLE IN THE GROUND, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT'S HEADED.
THE WHITE BEAR PROPERTY, THAT'S JUST PARCEL FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR RIGHT HERE BEHIND THE CITY HALL.
UM, WHEN ONCE EVERYTHING WAS, EVERYTHING KIND OF HAPPENED ALL AT ONE TIME.
AND, UM, AND THE EAST SEDONA TANK WAS APPROVED AND, AND THE COMPANY
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JUMPED ALL OVER THAT.SO THE WHITE BEAR PROPERTY, WE HAVE, UH, THE CONDITION USE PERMIT AND A BUILDING PERMIT THAT'S WAITING FOR US TO CHOOSE A CONTRACTOR.
WELL, IT'S, IT, IT'S IN OUR, IT'S IN OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, AND I WON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE GOING ON WITH THE BUDGET UNTIL LATER THIS YEAR.
AND THAT'S TO PUT IN A WAREHOUSE AND, UH, POSSIBLY DRILL ANOTHER WELL ON THAT SITE AT SOME POINT.
UH, THE NEW OPERATIONS CENTER AT RELICS, UH, LATER IN THE MONTH, LATER IN OCTOBER, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THE OWNERS OF THE COMPANY ARE GONNA BE HERE AND I'M GONNA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE 'EM AND SHOW 'EM THEIR INVESTMENT.
UM, UM, THEY, I'LL, I'LL BE TRUTHFUL AND SAY THAT THAT PROPERTY WAS THE BIGGEST INTEREST IN THAT PROPERTY, WAS ACTUALLY THE WELL.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE, IT'S, THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE PROBABLY DONE FIRST, BUT THE WELL IS, IS, IS WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE THAT TODAY, I THINK TOO.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
BUT THAT THERE, AGAIN, THAT IS IN THE, IN THE BUDGET.
UM, WE'LL KNOW, I'LL PROBABLY KNOW MORE THE SECOND WEEK OF OCTOBER WHERE THEY WANT TO HEAD WITH, UM, WITH THE DESIGN.
UH, WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY DESIGNS.
THEY'RE DOING SOME OF THE CIVIL WORK ON THE SITE, AND THEY WILL, UM, THEY'RE MAKING SOME DECISIONS SHORTLY.
UM, I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEING BUILT THERE.
JUST IF YOU COULD JUST, YEAH, GO AHEAD, JESSICA.
JUST QUICKLY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEING BUILT THERE? UH, YOU SAID THE BUILDING, UH, I MEAN THE BUILD.
SIMPLY, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE RELICS, THE BUILDING, RIGHT? YES, I DO.
WHERE WE BOUGHT IT JUST QUICKLY, WHERE, WHERE WE ARE GOING TO, TO THE, THE INTENT IS TO USE THAT BUILDING, UM, PRESERVED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BUILDING, UM, AS OUR OPERATION CENTER.
SO IF YOU KNOW WHERE OUR OFFICE IS ON COFFEE POT DRIVE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT OPERATION INTO THAT BUILDING AT SOME POINT.
YOU UM, I'M SORRY, EVERYBODY KNEW THAT, SO, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
UM, AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING THEIR TIME LOOKING AT IT.
UM, THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTS THAT WE HAVE WORK ON ON IT ACTUALLY DID THE ARCHITECTURE ON THE REMODEL FOR THE STATE CAPITAL.
SO THEY HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THEN I WAS GONNA SAY, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, UM, ABOUT THIS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROGRAM, THERE'S GONNA BE PLACES FOR QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, LET'S, IF WE CAN WAIT TO ASK QUESTIONS THEN, UM, UNLESS SOMETHING JUST JUST REALLY GETS TO YOU THEN, YOU KNOW.
ALRIGHT, I'LL TURN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TERRY.
SUE, THEN I FORGOT TO CLICK MY SLIDES.
I TOLD YOU I WOULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT'S OKAY.
UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING YOU HERE TODAY OR HAVING US HERE TODAY.
UM, I'M, UH, AS JOHN WAS INDICATING, I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF WATER RESOURCES FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY.
I'VE WORKED IN WATER RESOURCES MY ENTIRE ADULT CAREER.
UH, SO I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 19, UM, 87.
UM, I, I HAZARD TO GUESS HOW MANY YEARS THAT
AND, UH, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANNA DO IS I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF.
UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK KAREN AND ON, ON HER ENTIRE TEAM.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT NOW SINCE, I'M GONNA SAY, WHAT, UH, APRIL MAYBE, OR WHEN WAS OUR FIRST MEETING? WAS IT LIKE EARLY APRIL? APRIL-ISH.
UM, AND WE'VE DONE, UH, JUST A TON OF WORK OF WHICH WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE WITHOUT THIS BEING A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
UM, AND IT, UH, IT ALL KIND OF STARTED WITH THIS IDEA OF DOING A CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
UM, AND, UH, AND AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THINGS MORE, WE'VE COME TO A BROADER UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND HOW A CONSERVATION PROGRAM FITS INTO THAT, UM, WHOLE THING.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK, WE'RE GONNA START, TAKE A STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT, TALK ABOUT WATER RESOURCES IN GENERAL, UM, TALK ABOUT THE HYDROLOGY IN THE AREA, UH, SOME OTHER THINGS, UH, AND AS WELL AS, AS INTRODUCE TO YOU THE, UH, INTEGRATED DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE WILL BE LAUNCHING HERE VERY SOON.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANNA THANK KAREN AND I WANNA THANK HER STAFF FOR ALL THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE SPENT.
UM, I, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST COMMUNITY WE'VE WORKED WITH WHERE THERE'S BEEN THIS MUCH, UH, STAFF TIME DEDICATION.
UH, I CAN TELL THAT THESE, THESE FOLKS REALLY CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, AS A GROUP HAVE KIND OF WORKED, PUT TOGETHER IS THIS CONCEPT OF A JOINT OBJECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND SO WE TRY TO KEEP THIS IN MIND IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT WE SERVE.
UM, SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT AS A WATER COMPANY, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, UM, HOW WE EXIST WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE A JOB.
IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO CREATE COMMUNITIES.
IT IS, IS NOT OUR JOB TO DECIDE WHAT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS GOING TO BE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE, IT'S AS IF WE ARE YOUR WATER DEPARTMENT.
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SO WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR VALUES, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE COMMUNITIES, UH, WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, THAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THE DREAMS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS CAN COME TRUE.AND OUR ROLE IN THAT IS TO PROVIDE THE WATER AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
SO THIS OBJECTIVE IS WITH THAT IN MIND.
SO OUR JOINT OBJECTIVE IS TO CREATE, MANAGE, AND PROTECT A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY FOR ALL WHO LIVE, VISIT, AND DO BUSINESS IN SEDONA FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS, BUSINESSES, VISITORS, AND OUR CUSTOMERS.
AND SO FOR US, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THIS BE A JOINT EFFORT, THIS PROBLEM, UH, NOT, NOT THIS PROBLEM, BUT THE, THE, THE PRO PROCESS OF PROVIDING WATER, PROTECTING WATER SUPPLIES, AND MAKING WATER SUPPLY SUSTAINABLE IS A JOINT VENTURE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT ARIZONA WATER COMPANY CAN DO ON ITS OWN.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO ON ITS OWN.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO JOINTLY DO TOGETHER.
UH, SO WE HAVE A, A BASIC STRATEGY.
I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT A FIFTH PART THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN LATER ON IN THE FUTURE, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
BUT THE FIRST ONE IS TO PRESERVE OUR EXISTING WATER RESOURCE ASSETS, INCLUDING THE EFFLUENT AND THE GROUNDWATER.
SO OFTENTIMES, UM, COMMUNITIES THINK OF THEIR EFFLUENT AS BEING, UH, NOT NECESSARILY BEING A RESOURCE, BUT BEING A LIABILITY THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH, UH, AND IN AND IN AND IN OUR WORLD.
WE LOOK AT EFFLUENT AS BEING A RESOURCE.
AND I THINK THAT YOUR COMMUNITY LOOKS AT IT THE SAME WAY.
I THINK THAT YOUR, YOUR STAFF LOOKS AT IT THE SAME WAY AS IT'S REFLECTED IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, GENERAL LAND USE PLAN.
THAT THAT'S A PART OF HOW YOU VIEW YOUR WORLD.
SO THAT'S A GREAT THING, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THOSE SUPPLIES FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, WE ALSO WANNA USE ALL THE SUPPLIES THAT WE HAVE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF A SUPPLY IT IS AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND LUC IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT VISION OF WHAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE WANT TO MITIGATE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING CALLED THE, UH, GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATION, WHICH IS LIKE A GIGANTIC CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT.
AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN DETAIL AT THE MOMENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING AS A PART OF OUR STRATEGY IS THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE START SMART DECISIONS ABOUT GROWTH.
AND THAT REALLY IS MORE WHERE, WHERE YOUR ROLE IS.
THERE'S A CLEAR DELINEATION FOR US BETWEEN, UH, WHAT THE CITY'S ROLE IS AND WHAT OUR ROLE IS.
SO IT'S YOUR ROLE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE COMMUNITY GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT ARE THE GROWTH DECISIONS YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE? IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS WITH THE BEST INFORMATION YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ABOUT THE WATER RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OUR FOUR PARTS STRATEGY.
AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN A MOMENT AND, AND WE'LL START TO SEE WHERE THIS FIFTH OBJECTIVE WILL COME IN.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA GO A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THE SLIDE DECK.
SO LET'S GO DOWN THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT A TERM THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.
AND THIS TERM IS AN ACRE FOOT, SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONLY A FEW PEOPLE IN THE ROOM KNOW WHAT AN ACRE FOOT IS, AND DESCRIBE TO YOU WHAT, WHAT THAT IS.
SO IT'S 325,851 GALLONS, BUT IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME ANYWAYS, TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THAT.
SO IF, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT AN ACRE FOOT, AN ACRE FOOT IS, UM, AN ACRE THAT'S A FOOT HIGH, LITERALLY.
AND THAT'S ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF A FOOTBALL FIELD WITH WATER ABOUT A FOOT, FOOT HIGH.
UM, AND, UH, AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING IN TERMS OF PEOPLE OR HOUSING UNITS, I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE, THAT, THAT PROVIDES WATER TO ROUGHLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE TO FOUR HOUSING UNITS IN AN ENTIRE YEAR.
SO YOU CAN THINK OF ONE ACRE FOOT SERVING ABOUT THREE TO FOUR HOUSES.
SO WE'RE GONNA USE THAT TERM A LOT.
UM, A COUPLE PLACES WE MIGHT USE SOME OTHER TERMS, BUT WE'LL CALL THOSE OUT OF WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.
SO WHAT I WANNA SHOW YOU HERE IS A SERIES OF SLIDES THAT DEPICT GRAPHICALLY KIND OF WHAT OUR OBJECTIVE IS MOVING TOWARD.
BUT BEFORE I GO INTO KIND OF EXPLAINING THIS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE AXIS AND WHAT'S ON THIS GRAPHIC.
SO THE LEFT, UH, THE, THE VERTICAL AXIS IS ACRE FEET, AGAIN, THAT TERM ACRE FEET.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE YEARS GO FROM 2018 OUT TO 2030.
SO FOR OUR DISCUSSIONS AT THIS STAGE, WE'RE LIMITING IT TO THAT TIMEFRAME.
BUT WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD AFTER TODAY, AS WE HAVE DO SOME MODELING AND SOME FUTURE PROJECTIONS, WE'RE GONNA BE GOING OUT MUCH FURTHER THAN 2030.
SO FOR TODAY, FOR THESE DISCUSSIONS, AND REALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF UNDERSTANDING HOW ALL THESE GOALS AND THE STRATEGY ALL FIT TOGETHER, WE'VE LIMITED TO IT TO THIS TIMEFRAME.
UM, THE RED LINE IS THE DEMAND, THE TOTAL DEMAND PRIOR TO THE BLACK LINE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE ACTUAL DEMANDS.
THE FUTURE DEMANDS THAT YOU SEE ON HERE BETWEEN 2023 AND 2030 ARE JUST A PROJECTION OF THE EXISTING GROWTH AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, UH, EVERY COMMITMENT, EVERY ENTITLEMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE WHAT YOUR, YOUR, UH, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
SO SAYS WHAT YOUR BUILD OUT WILL BE, JUST WHAT BASED ON CURRENT GROWTH,
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WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BY 2030.AND THE BLUE REPRESENTS THE WATER SUPPLY THAT WE CURRENTLY USE TO MEET THOSE DEMANDS.
AND WE SEE THAT MOVING ON INTO THE FUTURE AT THIS STAGE.
THE SECOND SLIDE IS, UH, WELL, WHAT WE'VE ADDED TO HERE IS A CONCEPT OF USING THE EFFLUENT IN SOME WAY TO OFFSET A PORTION OF THE GROUNDWATER SUPPLIES.
BECAUSE ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR, UH, STRATEGIES AS A WATER COMPANY IS TO HAVE A SECURE AND OBTAIN A DIVERSE WATER SUPPLY FOR OUR, OUR WATER UTILITIES.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, UM, DOING THAT IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS THE WATER SUPPLY TO REMAIN AFFORDABLE TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
SO ONE OF THE PLACES THAT WE LOOK IS LOCAL WATER SUPPLIES, LIKE AN EFFLUENT WATER SUPPLY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS REPRESENTS HERE.
SO AS WE DIVERSIFY THE WATER SUPPLY, WE MAKE THE WATER SUPPLY IN GENERAL MORE SUSTAINABLE, AND WE'RE USING LESS GROUNDWATER.
AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS A, IS A DEPICTION OF ONCE WE ADD DEMAND MANAGEMENT INTO THE PICTURE, HOW MUCH CAN WE REDUCE THE DEMAND? AND THAT GAP THAT YOU SEE UP THERE, WE LOOK AT THAT KIND OF AS A WATER SUPPLY.
SO IF WE DIDN'T DO CONSERVATION, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET MORE WATER IN ORDER TO FURTHER DIVERSIFY THE WATER SUPPLY AND TO REDUCE OUR DEPENDENCE ON GROUNDWATER.
SO, SO THE BASIC OBJECTIVE IS FOR US TO GET TO THE POINT OF WHERE WE HAVE A SUFFICIENTLY DIVERSE WATER SUPPLY, INCLUDING CONSERVATION, SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY FOR ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS.
NOW, THIS, THIS GRAPHIC HERE GOES OUT TO 30 AND THE WORK THAT WE'LL BE DOING DURING THE REST OF THE YEAR, WE'RE GONNA BE PROJECTING OUT FURTHER THAN THAT.
BUT FOR, FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT AT THE 2030 TIMEFRAME.
SO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT KIND OF THIS CONCEPT OF, AS WE MOVE IN TO, TO THE NEXT PHASE? 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE HYDROLOGY, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATION, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT DEMAND MANAGEMENT.
JESSICA, YOU HAD A QUESTION? NO, THANKS.
MAYBE IT'S JUST THE ENGINEER IN ME, BUT TECHNICALLY THE GROUNDWATER SUPPLY THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING, IT'S NOT REALLY THE SUPPLY, IT'S REALLY, IT'S JUST YOU'RE MATCHING WITH THE USE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO THERE IS SOME SUPPLY THAT ACTUALLY EXCEEDS THE DEMAND, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
YOU'RE JUST BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU CAN MEET THE DEMAND.
SO AS BEST YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY, YEAH.
SO WE'RE GONNA, THE NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE HYDROLOGY.
AND SO, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TIME AFTER THAT TO TALK TO ASK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK WE'LL HIT ON KIND OF THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OKAY, PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR BRIAN, THAT'S THE EXACT SORT OF SAME QUESTION THAT I HAD AS WELL.
FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AGAIN FOR A SECOND TIME AND, AND NOT TOO LONG A PERIOD.
UH, THIS IS A, A TOPIC OF EXTREME INTEREST, I THINK, TO ALL OF US HERE ON THE DICE.
AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION AND WORKING WITH STAFF AND, AND GETTING THIS WORK DONE.
I, I WANTED TO JUST SORT OF ECHO BRIAN'S, UH, COMMENT A LITTLE BIT QUESTION.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, MY INTEREST HERE IS THAT THIS INFORMATION GETS OUT TO OUR PUBLIC AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT.
AND FOR THE SAME REASON BRIAN GOT TRIPPED UP, I DID TOO.
AND I THINK MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS LOOKING AT THIS MIGHT GET TRIPPED UP AS WELL.
WHEN WE CALL THAT SUPPLY, IT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE DELIVERING, NOT WHAT THE SUPPLY IS.
AND SO JUST AS WE THINK ABOUT REVISIONS TO THIS OR HOW WE COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC IN THE FUTURE, THAT IT, IT MIGHT JUST BE WORDED A LITTLE DIFFERENT SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DELIVERING, NOT VERSUS THE SUPPLY.
AND, AND THEN I ALSO DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN INTERESTING ON THESE CHARTS TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK YOUR CAPACITY LIMIT IS WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE.
AND SO THAT MIGHT BE A, A PIECE THAT COULD BE ON THESE CHARTS AS WELL.
SO THAT'S THE TWO COMMENTS I HAD ON THESE CHARTS.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION AS, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
IS, IS THE NEXT PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION OF WHAT THE SUPPLY ACTUALLY IS? SO THE NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE AN OVERVIEW OF THE HYDROLOGY IN THE AREA.
WELL, AS, AS SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING THAT THAT DOESN'T, I MEAN, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH WATER THERE ACTUALLY IS AVAILABLE? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T.
SO, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, IS LET'S LET JEFF TELL YOU WHAT HE DOES KNOW.
AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT VERY QUESTION.
BUT I THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THIS CONTEXT, CONTEXT FIRST.
OKAY, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UH, VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
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I DON'T.NICE TO SEE YOU, JOHN, FROM YOUR BACK.
THAT'S HOLLY
AND BEFORE I TURN THINGS, UM, OVER TO JEFF, I JUST WANNA SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT HIM.
UM, SO JEFF IS OUR CHIEF HYDROLOGIST.
UH, JEFF AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER, I THINK, I THINK MOST OF OUR ADULT LIVES.
AND, UM, AND HE'S A GREAT HYDROLOGIST.
HE CAME TO US DIRECTLY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES.
HE WAS THEIR CHIEF HYDROLOGIST.
HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THEIR MODELING, UH, SECTION AND ALL THEIR HYDROLOGISTS THERE.
SO WE'RE VERY, UM, VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HIM.
HE'S ALSO AN EXPERT IN THE ADJUDICATION.
SO, AND WE HIRED HIM REALLY FOR THOSE TWO PURPOSES BECAUSE WE'RE LARGELY A GROUNDWATER BASED WATER PROVIDER, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME C A P WATER THAT WE DELIVER.
UM, BUT, UH, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HIM.
AND WE, WE FEEL THAT WE'RE IN GOOD HANDS WITH JEFF.
SO, UH, UNFORTUNATELY HE HAS THE COVID TODAY, WHICH IS WHY HE'S ON THE
AND AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO BE THERE, BUT, UH, I FIGURE IT IS, UH, BETTER FOR EVERYBODY THAT I'M HERE.
AND WE CAN DELIVER THIS AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND I WILL START BY SAYING THERE IS A LOT MORE WATER IN THE GROUND THAN WHAT WE SHOW ON THAT GRAPH.
SO, BUT I'LL, I'LL BURY THE LEAD HERE AND SAY WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO PUT OUR ARMS AROUND WHAT THAT NUMBER REALLY IS AND A PHYSICAL AVAILABILITY STUDY, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE GROUNDWATER MODELING.
SO JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT OUT FIRST.
AND, UH, SO WHAT, WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT FIRST IS JUST A GENERAL HYDROLOGY, UH, PRIMER I WOULD CALL IT THAT, UH, WE HAD PREPARED.
AND THEN I'LL GET INTO THIS THING CALLED THE GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATION.
SO, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY ENGAGED A LOCAL VALLEY CONSULTANT NAMED BRAD HILL TO DO OUR, UH, GENERAL HYDROLOGY STUDY.
BRAD HAS SEVERAL DECADES OF EXPERIENCE, INCLUDING, UH, 15 YEARS IN NORTHERN ARIZONA.
AND WHAT HE BASICALLY DID IS LOOKED AT AVAILABLE INFORMATION ON THE REGIONAL GEOLOGY SURFACE AND GROUNDWATER HYDROLOGY.
HE LOOKED AT OUR WELLS AND, UH, GROUNDWATER LEVELS IN THE AREA AND GROUNDWATER PUMPING.
AND HE PREPARED A TECHNICAL MEMORANDUM, WHICH, UH, WE HAVE A HARD COPY OF.
AND WE PRESENTED THESE RESULTS TO THE TEAM, UH, CONSIDERING CONSISTING OF THIS SEDONA STAFF AND ARIZONA WATER COMPANY STAFF.
OH, I THINK YOU MUTED YOURSELF, JEFF, OR DID WE LOSE HIM? NO, HE'S JUST MUTED, I THINK.
UH, SO, UH, BRAD STUDY WAS A REGIONAL STUDY.
UH, GROUNDWATER IS NOT JUST A LOCAL LOCALIZED PHENOMENON.
IT IS GENERALLY REGIONAL AND SCOPE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HYDROLOGY, UH, YOU LOOK AT A REGIONAL CONTEXT.
UH, JUST TO PUT SOME CONTEXT ON THE LOCATION, SEDONA IS LOCATED AT THE BASE OF THE MOAN RIM.
THE MOAN RIM IS THE SOUTHERN EXTENT OF THE COLORADO PLATEAU, OR LOCALLY IT'S REFERRED TO AS THE COCONINO PLATEAU.
UH, SEDONA IS ALSO LOADED, LOCATED IN THE VERDE VALLEY SUBBASE.
AND ACCORDING TO ADWR GROUNDWATER BASIN, UH, AND OAK CREEK, UH, THERE ARE TWO SPRINGS THAT, UH, FEED OAK CREEK STERLING SPRINGS, WHICH ARE THE HEADWATERS NEAR THE FISH HATCHERY.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS RUN THROUGH THIS SCHEMATIC THAT HAS A CONCEPTUALIZE VIEW OF THE GROUNDWATER HYDROLOGY IN NORTHERN ARIZONA.
UH, I'LL WALK THROUGH THIS AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN WE'RE, WHEN I'M DONE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE FIGURE AND YOU WORK FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, THAT'S WORKING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH GEOGRAPHICALLY, UH, IF YOU START AT THE NORTH, YOU'LL BE UP NORTH OF THE SAN FRANCISCO MOUNTAINS GOING SOUTH PAST THE MOUNTAINS, ALONG THE PLATEAU TILL YOU GET TO THE RIM.
AND AS YOU MOVE DOWN THE RIM, YOU MOVE INTO THE VERDE VALLEY.
SO THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S KIND OF COVERED HERE BY THE SCHEMATIC.
AND THEN LOOKING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SUBSURFACE GEOLOGY.
AND THE SUBSURFACE GEOLOGY IS BASICALLY, UH,
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A SERIES OF EMBEDDED SEDIMENTARY UNITS, PRIMARILY MADE UP OF SANDSTONE, LIMESTONES, AND SHIELDS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN DEPOSITED OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS.AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE, I'VE GOT CIRCLED, UH, THE TWO WATER BEARING UNITS THAT THESE LAYER CAKED, UH, SEDIMENTARY UNITS CREATE.
THE FIRST IS THE COCONINO AQUIFER.
IT'S MADE UP OF THE COCONINO SANDSTONE AND WHAT'S CALLED THE SUPAI GROUP.
UH, THE, THE NAMES REALLY AREN'T THAT RELEVANT, UH, BUT I JUST CALLED THEM OUT.
AND THEN THE SECOND AQUIFER, WHICH IS DEEPER, IS CALLED THE REDWALL MOAV AQUIFER, OR THE R AQUIFER, AND I GUESS THE COCONINO AQUIFER REFERRED TO AS THE SEA AQUIFER.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY GEOLOGIC WATER BEARING UNITS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA.
THESE AQUIFERS ARE GENERALLY PRETTY DEEP WHEN YOU'RE UP ON THE COLORADO PLATEAU.
UH, AS YOU GET, UH, FURTHER SOUTH, UH, DOWN THE RIM, IT'S A LITTLE SHALLOWER.
AND I'VE NOTATED THE SEDONA, UH, ON THIS FIGURE THAT I'VE KIND OF SAT IT ON THE TOP OF THE SUPAI GROUP.
THAT'S WHERE SEDONA SITS ON TOP OF THE SUPAI GROUP.
UH, THE COCONINO AQUIFER UNITS ARE ROUGHLY ESTIMATED TO BE 180 TO 620 FEET IN THICKNESS.
UH, AND THE BAR AQUIFER IS, UH, GENERALLY MORE THICKER FROM 600 TO ALMOST 800 FEET THICK, ALTHOUGH THOSE CAN VARY DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.
UH, LASTLY, I WANT TO NOTE BACK UP ON THE TOP OF THE COLORADO PLATEAU.
IN BLUE, YOU'LL SEE AN AREA'S CALLED GENERAL RECHARGE AREA WITH THE ARROWS POINTING DOWN.
WHAT THIS REPRESENTS IS MOST OF THE WATER THAT IS IN THE SUBSURFACE IN THESE, UH, SEDIMENTARY UNITS COMES FROM SNOW MELT AND RAIN FROM THE COLORADO PLATEAU THAT INFILTRATES INTO THE GROUND, MOVES VERTICALLY DOWN INTO THE GEOLOGY.
AND THEN, AS THIS FIGURE SHOWS, I POINTED OUT WHAT'S CALLED A GROUNDWATER DIVIDE, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE PLATEAU.
AND THE GROUNDWATER THAT FLOWS SOUTH FLOWS TOWARDS THE VERDE RIVER, UH, UNDERNEATH SEDONA.
AND ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE WATER THAT, UH, IS DISCHARGED AT STERLING SPRINGS THAT CREATES OAK CREEK.
SO IT COMES FROM THE COLORADO RIVER PLATEAU, MOVES THROUGH THE GROUND AND, AND DISCHARGES, UH, AT STERLING SPRINGS.
OH, UH, DID, DID I HEAR SOMEBODY HAVE A QUESTION OR IS THAT JUST ME? NO, THAT WAS JUST ME MAKING NOISES.
UH, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ARIZONA COMPANY, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY'S FLY WELLS.
I THINK JOHN, UH, UH, TALK ABOUT OUR WELLS WHEN HE MET WITH THE COUNCIL BACK IN MARCH OR APRIL.
UH, SO I WON'T GET INTO THOSE, UH, IN DETAIL, BUT JUST TO TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE DEPTHS OF OUR WELLS RANGE FROM 700 FEET TO A LITTLE OVER 1100 FEET BELOW LAND SURFACE.
AND MOST OF OUR WELLS, UH, ARE DRAWING THEIR WATER FROM THAT SUPAI GROUP FROM THE SEA AQUIFER, ALTHOUGH SOME OF OUR DEEPER WELLS ARE LIKELY PULLING FROM THE R AQUIFER, THE RED WALL LIMESTONE AQUIFER.
SO, UH, THIS TABLE ON THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS AN ANALYSIS OF WATER LEVELS IN OUR NINE ACTIVE WELLS.
ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE WELL NUMBERS, THE WELL NAME THE ELEVATION OF THE TOP, UH, OF THE WELL SITE, UH, THE WATER LEVEL, WHEN THE WELL WAS DRILLED, THE YEAR THAT IT WAS DRILLED.
THEN THE MOST RECENT WATER LEVEL AND THE YEAR THAT WAS TAKEN, MOST OF THEM WERE TAKEN.
UH, THIS YEAR IT'LL SHOW THE TOTAL DECLINE AND THEN THE AVERAGE OR THE DECLINE RATE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, AND THEN THE PERIOD OF RECORD THAT WAS USED TO COME UP WITH THE AVERAGE, UH, OR WITH THE RATE OF DECLINE.
AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THE NUMBERS, BUT I CIRCLED, UH, KIND OF THE TAKE HOME IS THAT THE AVERAGE RATE OF DECLINE, UH, NON WEIGHTED AVERAGE IS JUST UNDER A FOOT A YEAR, UH, OVER GIVE OR TAKE A 50 PLUS YEAR PERIOD.
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IN A NUTSHELL, UH, THAT IS A GOOD FINDING THAT, UH, INDICATES THAT THE WATER LEVELS ARE RELATIVELY STABLE, UH, THROUGHOUT OUR SERVICE AREA, UH, BASED ON THE WITHDRAWALS THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD AND OTHERS HAVE HAD IN THE AREA OVER THE LAST OH, 50 PLUS YEARS.UH, JUST TO POINT OUT, THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF THE DECLINE RATE IS EVEN A LITTLE LESS.
IT'S, UH, ABOUT SEVEN TENTHS OF A FOOT PER YEAR.
NOW, WHAT I, I AM NOT PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT IS TO SAY, WELL, THAT MEANS THE FUTURE IS AKAY.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AS PART OF OUR NEXT ASSESSMENT, IS TO PROJECT AND SIMULATE WHAT WATER LEVELS WILL DO OVER THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS USING GROUNDWATER MODELING.
AND WE CAN RUN DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF GROWTH, CONSERVATION CLIMATE, UH, TO SEE WHAT THE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES AS FAR AS WATER LEVELS IN OUR WELLS WILL BE OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
SO, UH, JUST TO KIND OF MATCH WITH THE WATER LEVELS, HERE ARE OUR PRODUCTION, WHAT HAS BEEN PRODUCED FROM OUR NINE WELLS, UH, OVER THE LAST, UH, FOUR YEARS, COMPLETED YEARS IN 2019 THROUGH 2022.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE AVERAGE ANNUAL, UH, WITHDRAWAL HAS BEEN RIGHT AROUND 3000 ACRE FEET.
THE AVERAGE IT IS 31, A LITTLE OVER 3,100 ACRE FEET A YEAR.
SO IT, IT DOES VARY BASED ON WEATHER AND OTHER FACTORS, BUT IT'S BEEN PRETTY STABLE, RIGHT AROUND 3000 ACRE FEET, UH, NUMBER PER YEAR.
SO, UH, I WAS GONNA MOVE ON TO THE GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATION DISCUSSION, BUT I GUESS I COULD TAKE A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE IF THERE ARE SOME RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I'M NOT THERE,
YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE ON THE MENDS AS WELL.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE PRIOR SLIDE? SO I'M WONDERING HOW ACTUALLY THE SLIDE BE BEFORE THIS ONE? YEAH.
IF, IF I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, HOW DO I KNOW WHICH OF THESE WELLS, WELLS SERVES MY AREA? WELL, I'M GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO JOHN BECAUSE HE MANAGES THE SYSTEM AND HOW THE WELLS, THE PUMPING, HOW IT'S DISTRIBUTED THROUGH OUR SYSTEM.
JOHN, CAN YOU TAKE THAT ONE? YEAH, YEAH.
HOLLY, WHERE DO YOU LIVE?
TREAT BY THE HOSPITAL, BASICALLY ACROSS FROM YOUR NEW OFFICE.
YOU HAVE FOUR, FOUR OF THOSE WELLS ARE IN WEST SEDONA, THAT PUMP INTO THE SYSTEM, UM, SIMULTANEOUSLY, UM, DURING PERIODS OF HIGH DEMAND, BUT THE CLOSEST WELL TO THAT AREA IS THE RAINBOW.
WELL, MAYOR, THERE, THERE'S A SLIDE THAT'LL BE COMING UP THAT IS A GOOD DIAGRAM OF WHERE THE WELLS ARE LOCATED.
I'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE WELLS ARE IN RELATIVE.
I, I'M JUST, I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT MY HOUSE.
I'M THINKING ABOUT ANYONE IN SEDONA WHO'S CONCERNED WOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW WHICH WELL IS SERVING THEIR HOME, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND MAY GET SOME RELIEF OR FEEL REASSURED BY BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
YEAH, I GET THAT QUESTION QUITE OFTEN.
WE TELL PEOPLE QUITE OFTEN WHAT WELL'S CLOSEST TO THEIR HOUSE, AND THEN WE PROVIDE THEM A, UM, OUR CONSUMER CONFIDENCE REPORT THAT SHOWS ALL THE CONSTITUENTS WE SAMPLE FOR AND SO FORTH.
A QUESTION TO THAT SPECIFICALLY, UH, JUST LET, JUST ONE SECOND.
HOLLY, ARE YOU DONE? NO, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.
KATHY, DID YOU WANNA BE ON THE, ON THE PAGE THAT WE WERE JUST YEAH, RIGHT.
TO EXACTLY WHAT, UM, MR. STICKERS JUST SAID A MOMENT AGO IN, WHEN WE POINTED OUT ONE PARTICULAR AREA, YOU SAID FOUR WELLS PUMP INTO THE SYSTEM TO SERVE THAT AREA AT THE SAME TIME.
IS THAT TRUE THROUGHOUT THAT EVERY AREA HAS MULTIPLE WELLS CONTRIBUTING INTO THE
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SYSTEM? SO NO ONE WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON JUST ONE? WELL, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE WATER SYSTEM AND IT DEPENDS ON THE DEMAND.UH, THERE MIGHT BE PERIODS OF TIME IN SEDONA DURING THE WINTERTIME WHEN ONLY ONE WELL IS RUNNING.
UM, AND 'CAUSE THE WELLS ARE ALL DIFFERENT SIZES OF, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE WELLS WHEN THEY COME ON BASED ON THE LEVELS IN THE TANKS AND THE DEMAND IN THE SYSTEM.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT CUT AND DRIED.
THAT ONE WELL IS PRODUCING WATER JUST FOR ANYBODY'S PARTICULAR HOUSE IN ANY PLACE IN SEDONA, IN WEST SEDONA, OR BOTH SIDES OF TOWN FOR THAT MATTER, DEPENDING ON IF WE'RE MOVING WATER FROM EAST TO WEST.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
HOLLY, YOU WANNA CONTINUE? YEAH.
SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS ON THE NEXT PAGE, THE, UH, WE HAVE, WE DO LOOK LIKE WE'RE FAIRLY STABLE, UH, WITH OUR WATER PUMPING AND OUR WATER USAGE AND OUR WATER AVAILABILITY.
HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO SOME OF YOUR OTHER SERVICE AREAS? WELL, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT QUESTION FROM STAFF TOO.
AND, UH, I'LL GIVE THE SAME RESPONSE.
WE, IT'S REALLY NOT, UH, WE DON'T LOOK AT IT AS COMPARING THE OVERALL WATER USE FROM SYSTEM TO SYSTEM FOR COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY, BECAUSE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIFESTYLES, DIFFERENT TYPES OF AMENITIES.
UH, SO IT'S REALLY NOT TO COMPARE 'EM BASED ON THE OVERALL USAGE OR THE OVERALL PUMPING, REALLY DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK ANSWERS A QUESTION OTHER THAN TO SAY, I CAN SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE WENT TO, UH, COTTONWOOD, HOW MUCH THEY USE, IT'S JUST A NUMBER.
WHAT'S MORE RELEVANT IS HOW MUCH WATER IS BEING USED ON A PER CAPITA BASIS.
UH, IF YOU TAKE ALL OF YOUR WATER USE DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF, UH, RESIDENTS, THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS TO SEE HOW MUCH WATER USE IS BEING USED BY, BY EACH PERSON, IF YOU HAVE A BIG DISPARITY BETWEEN, UH, COMMUNITIES OF HOW MUCH WATER IS USED PER PERSON, THAT MAYBE INDICATES THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WATER USE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, IS EXCESSIVE PER SE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I COULD, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO HOW EXACTLY IT COMPARES NUMBER WISE BETWEEN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
I THINK, JOHN, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? THE, THE VILLAGE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE VILLAGE, UH, PUMPS PER, PER YEAR.
IS IT 800 ACRE FEET IN, IN THAT BALLPARK? YEAH.
I I, I HAVE A GOOD COMPARISON THOUGH, JUST TO, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, JEFF, IS THAT WE ALSO HAVE OUR SYSTEM IN MONS PARK.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA GO SYSTEM BY SYSTEM SEASONALLY, THAT'S A TRANSIENT SYSTEM.
AND THERE'S OUR, UH, 3000 SERVICE CONNECTIONS UP THERE, WHICH ARE HALF THE SIZE OF SEDONA.
BUT THINGS CHANGE WHEN PEOPLE GO BACK DOWN TO THE VALLEY FOR, FOR THE WINTERTIME.
SO EVEN A SYSTEM OF THAT SIZE DOESN'T PUMP THAT MUCH WATER AS COMPARED TO 3000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE SEDONA AREA.
I, I'M WONDERING IF PERHAPS THE VICE MAYOR MIGHT'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THE DECLINE RATES AND HOW, UH, WHAT KIND OF DECLINE RATES WE MIGHT SEE IN SOME OF OUR OTHER WATER SYSTEMS. UM, SO JEFF, COULD YOU JUST COMMENT ON THE DECLINE RATE A LITTLE BIT AND HOW, UH, UNUSUAL OR COMMON THIS TYPE OF DECLINE RATE MIGHT BE IN OTHER SYSTEMS? YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THROUGHOUT A LOT OF OTHER AREAS IN ARIZONA, DECLINE RATES ARE, OR GROUNDWATER IS A PRIMARY SOURCE THAT DECLINE RATES ARE GREATER.
UH, THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THERE'S MORE THAN 10 FEET A YEAR OF DRAW DOWN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES LOOKS AT FOR ISSUING PERMITS FOR RECOVERING WATER STORED UNDER GROUND IS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN FOUR FEET OF DECLINE PER YEAR, UH, IN THAT AREA.
SO WHEN YOU'RE UNDER A FOOT OF DECLINE A YEAR, THAT'S GENERALLY IN, IN THE POSITIVE, UH, REALM.
AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, BRINGING THAT UP.
THAT WAS PART OF WHAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.
SORRY IF I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
IT WAS A BROAD QUESTION, SO NO ISSUE AT ALL.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU DONE, HOLLY? YES.
OKAY, MAYOR BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, AND THANK YOU ARIZONA WATER FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
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PREVIOUSLY, UM, THIS IS MY FIRST RODEO, UH, AS FAR AS WORKING WITH ARIZONA WATER AND BEING PART OF OUR CITY COUNCIL.SO SOME THINGS ARE NEW TO ME AND SOME THINGS ARE THROWING ME OFF.
AND AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE HAD, WE TALKED ABOUT A STABLE OR A, YEAH, A STABLE WATER SUPPLY.
AND I INTERPRET THAT TO MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON SEASONAL WATERFALLS AND, AND HOW THAT FINDS ITS WAY INTO THE AQUIFER, YOU HAVE SOME UPS AND DOWNS IN WHAT THAT DEPTH LEVEL IS.
AND THAT OVERALL THAT IS STABLE OR STEADY OVER TIME.
BUT TODAY YOU'RE CALLING STABLE A DECLINING VOLUME OR A DECLINING MEASURE OF THE AQUIFER.
AND FOR OURS, ON AVERAGE, ONE FOOT PER YEAR, I JUST FIND THAT A CURIOUS WAY OF SAYING THAT SOMETHING IS, UH, STABLE.
'CAUSE TO ME, STABLE IS, IT'S STAYING THE SAME, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A STEADY DECLINE.
SO THAT CREATES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE OF URGENCY AROUND UNDERSTANDING, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT DOES THIS REALLY MEAN? BECAUSE NOW THIS IMPLIES A MUCH MORE FINITE MEASURE ON WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE VERSUS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST FAT, DUMB, AND HAPPY.
AND, YOU KNOW, NOW I FEEL DIFFERENT.
SO JUST, AGAIN, IT'S MY FIRST RODEO, BUT THE WORDS REALLY MATTER HERE.
NOT REALLY A QUESTION AS MUCH AS JUST AN OBSERVATION OF YOU HAVE A FUNNY WAY OF TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BEING STABLE OR STEADY, UM, WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY DECLINING.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS? WELL, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I, I, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE THREAD YOU'RE TUGGING ON IS GETTING INTO THIS BIGGER QUESTION THAT WE KINDA TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING, WHICH IS OUR JOB IS TO CREATE A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY.
AND IT'S NOT THAT WE, UM, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD THAT IT'S ONLY A FOOT OF DECLINE A YEAR BECAUSE IN OUR WORLD, A FOOT OF DEC DECLINE A YEAR IS ACTUALLY A POSITIVE SIGNAL.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD NOT BE, UH, DIVERSIFYING YOUR WATER SUPPLY AND REDUCING YOUR DEPENDENCE ON GROUNDWATER, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING WATER EFFICIENTLY.
AND SO THAT LEADS INTO THAT WHOLE THING.
SO YES, MELISSA, IS THAT YOU WANNA TAKE ON TO, AND THAT OTHERWISE WE, IF IT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION, I HAVE, UH, TWO PEOPLE AHEAD.
JUST GO AHEAD AND I'LL, OKAY, THANK YOU.
UH, JESSICA, I HAVE A REALLY, I HAVE A REALLY BASIC QUESTION.
THE AREAS YOU SERVE, DOES ALL THE WATER COME FROM THESE FORMATIONS? DO YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IS THAT TOO BASIC,
UH, NORTHERN ARIZONA SYSTEMS, THE VILLAGE, SEDONA UHMS PARK TO SOME DEGREE AND UH, RIM ROCK SYSTEM, UH, HAVE SIMILAR GEOLOGY.
BUT ONCE YOU GET INTO SOUTHERN ARIZONA, CENTRAL ARIZONA, EASTERN ARIZONA, THE GEOLOGY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
I GUESS I MET HERE IN NORTHERN WHERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY AREA DOES SORT YOU SURF COTTONWOOD, CORRECT? NO, YOU DON'T.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN WATER SYSTEM.
UM, WHERE ELSE DO YOU S AND YOU SERVE OTHER PLACES DOWN HERE, RIGHT? YOU SERVE COCONINO, YOU SAID.
AND SO THAT ALL COMES FROM ONE PART.
SO THE THINGS, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ALL OUR WATER RIGHT NOW COMES FROM THESE FORMATIONS.
DOES ALL THE WATER THAT YOU PROVIDE TO YOUR CUSTOMERS IN THIS AREA THAT YOU MANAGE COME FROM THESE FORMATIONS CURRENTLY? YES.
I THINK MELISSA, MELISSA WANTS TO GO.
PLEASE CAN'T BE MORE, MORE DIRECT THAN THAT.
WE, WE TRY, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UH, THESE ARE COMPLICATED TOPICS AND GEOLOGY IS AN INTERPRETIVE SCIENCE HYDROLOGY.
WHEN YOU CAN'T SEE BELOW THE GROUND, IT IS A LOT OF INTERPRETATION AND YOU GET SOME SITE SPECIFIC DATA AND YOU TRY TO EXTRAPOLATE IT ACROSS LARGER AREAS.
SO, AND THEN TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE THAT ALL TO MAKE IT CONCISE AND UNDERSTANDABLE IS A CHALLENGE.
MELISSA, ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE ADJUDICATION? NO, NO.
WE STILL HAVE TWO, TWO QUESTIONS PENDING FOR YOU BECAUSE I HAVE, I HAVE SOME MORE.
I I HAVE TO CHALLENGE YOU SOME MORE.
SO, UM, SO, SO FIRST THIS IS PROBABLY A GENERAL QUESTION TO THE COVER WISHES TO ANSWER.
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WILLIAMSON BROUGHT UP COTTONWOOD, WHICH IS ITS OWN PRIVATE WATER SYSTEM.ARE THEY DRAWING FROM THE SAME GEOLOGICAL, UH, WATER FORMATIONS THAT YOU'RE DRAWING FROM? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT THEIR WELLS WERE DRILLED AT.
SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD BE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE DECLINING BY APPROXIMATELY A FOOT A YEAR.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN SORT OF TO THE, THE GENERAL ETHER, UM, HOW MUCH WATER IS REQUIRED TO HIT AT THE TOP OF THE PLATEAU IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET THAT AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF WATER COMING BACK IN THE RECHARGE AND THEN THE RECHARGE RATE? SO HOW LONG DOES IT ACTUALLY TAKE FOR THE RAINWATER THAT SAY THEY HAD A MASSIVE AMOUNT IN FLAGSTAFF, WHICH WE DIDN'T GET? UM, HOW LONG IS THAT GONNA TAKE TO ACTUALLY BECOME WATER THAT'S DOWN IN LOW ENOUGH INTO THE AQUIFER TO BE PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT YOU'VE DRILLED INTO? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO MY LAST STATEMENT ABOUT HYDROLOGY AND GEOLOGY BEING INTERPRETED.
THERE'S NO WAY TO MEASURE HOW LONG A DROP OF WATER THAT FALLS ON THE PLATEAU TAKES TO, TO COME DOWN TO OAK CREEK OR TO THE WELL THAT WE'RE PUMPING FROM WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THE PLATEAU HAS BEEN UPLIFTED FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.
SO THERE'S BEEN MILLIONS OF YEARS OF WATER THAT'S BEEN INFILTRATING INTO, UH, THE SUBSURFACE AND MIGRATING UNDERGROUND.
AND GROUNDWATER IS ALWAYS FLOWING.
THERE'S ALWAYS A GRADIENT TO IT.
UH, GENERALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT DECADES FOR WATER TO MOVE, UH, LONG DISTANCES, UH, FLOW RATES ARE, YOU KNOW, INCHES A DAY THAT SO, YOU KNOW, EQUALS JUST EXTRAPOLATE OVER TIME AND DISTANCE.
IT'S, IT'S VERY LONG FOR WATER TO MOVE, UH, THE KIND OF DISTANCES WE'RE TALKING.
I HOPE THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU SOME IDEA.
THANK YOU MAYOR MELISSA, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
ONE I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE ANSWERS 'CAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED.
IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED, REALLY COMPLICATED.
UM, JEFF, I'VE GOT, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO, OOPS, I GOT COVERED THAT BACK TO YOUR SLIDE 14 AND, AND I HAVE SORT OF MORE QUESTIONS THAN I WANNA SPEND TIME TODAY ASKING, BUT JOHN, PERHAPS YOU AND I CAN ARRANGE TO HAVE A DEEPER CONVERSATION ON SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE GOT SORT OF MOVING FORWARD HERE AT SOME POINT.
YEAH, A THREE HOUR DRIVE ON FRIDAY, SO THAT'S TRUE,
THANK YOU FOR AGREEING TO SIT NEXT TO ME AND WE'LL DO THAT.
UH, JEFF, YOU SAID THE MOAV AQUIFER, BUT YOU GOT SPELLING ERRORS ON THE SLIDE, THAT'S OU
AND THAT'S ON IN A, A COUPLE SPOTS IN YOUR, IN YOUR SLIDE, UM, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT MOST OF OUR WELLS WERE IN THE SEA AQUIFER, NOT THE MOOF OUR AQUIFER.
SO I'M CURIOUS TO JUST DELVE INTO THAT AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AT SOME OTHER TIME, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THE OPPOSITE IN THE PAST.
AND SO NOW, OOH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EXPERTS SAYING DIFFERENT THINGS AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT THAT HAPPENS.
AND I LOOK AT THAT LIKE MOST OF US KNOW WHERE DEVIL'S KITCHEN IS HERE IN SEDONA.
THAT'S A RED WALL LIMESTONE SORT OF FEATURE THAT EXISTS.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY VISUALIZATION OF SEDONA IS ON THE MAP.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I, I WANT TO GET MY EDUCATION CORRECT IF YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT INFORMATION THAN I'VE LEARNED IN THE PAST.
SO, JOHN, THAT THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY SOME OF THE AREAS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND, AND I'M INTERESTED IN THAT BECAUSE YOU AND I KNOW IN OUR CP WATER PARTNERSHIP WE'RE DOING THE MOAV AQUIFER MODELING AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT TO ME HAD ALWAYS BEEN CRITICAL FOR THE SUPPLY OF SEDONA.
AND NOW IT'S LIKE, OOH, BUT YOU'RE DRAWING MOST OF YOUR WATER FROM SEA.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THE DIFFERENCES ARE GONNA BE FROM GROUND LEVEL TO WATER WHAT, WHERE, WHERE IT'S AT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
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OF THE, THAT FORMATION RIGHT THERE IN THE GRAND CANYON THAT THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY THE, THE RIGHT SOUTH ROAD.THE NORTH ROOM OF THE GRAND CANYON RIGHT THERE.
AND UM, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR DOWN YOU POKE A HOLE IN THAT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU'RE GETTING IT FROM.
SO THEN JUST MOVING FORWARD, THERE WAS PEOPLE THAT ASKED BRIAN ON, ON YOUR SLIDE 16, BRIAN, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE MINUS 0.9 BEING STABLE AND, AND I'LL ECHO WHAT YOU SAID, THAT BOY THERE ARE PLACES IN THE STATE THAT WOULD LOVE TO SEE POINT
THAT'S REALLY, I MIGHT, I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING THOUGH.
IF, IF YOU SEE THIS ON A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GRAPH ON, ON A LINE GRAPH WITH, WITH A, WITH A A LINE REFERENCE.
UM, IT LOOKS A LOT THAT THAT THAT 0.9 LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT ON THAT KIND OF A GRAPH AS FAR AS THE INDIVIDUAL ITSELF.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE UP THINGS, BUT IT, IT'S DIFFERENT.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DISMISS THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS TOPIC EITHER AND THAT THIS IS A, A TOPIC OF CONCERN.
I JUST DON'T WANNA OVERLY EXCITE FOLKS WHEN THEY SEE THIS DATA.
AND THEN ON PAGE 17 WE DID TALK ABOUT THE TWO SEVEN, 9 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
AND ONE OF YOU MENTIONED THAT A, A MORE INTERESTING, UH, TOPIC TO TALK ABOUT IS PER CAPITA.
AND SO WE COULD DO THAT, BUT I THINK YOUR SEDONA SERVICE AREA IS NOT JUST OUR 10,000 RESIDENTS.
SO IF I TOOK THOSE NUMBERS, WHICH I DIDN'T LAST NIGHT, 2 79 DIVIDED BY 10,000, IT'S 279 GALLONS PER DAY.
SO IF I CAN JUMP IN, UH, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE INTEGRATED DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE G P C D GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY ANALYSIS.
'CAUSE WE DID, UM, TRY TO GET INTO THAT IN, IN OUR ANALYSIS AND THERE ARE A FEW COMPLICATIONS THAT CAME UP TO THAT.
UM, BUT I ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT IF YOU WERE TO JUST TAKE THE STRAIGHT PUMPING NUMBER AND THE POPULATION, YOU'RE ALSO INCORPORATING, UH, COMMERCIAL WATER USE.
SO AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT JUST A PER PERSON, UM, USAGE, UH, RESIDENTIAL USAGE.
AND THOSE ARE SOME KIND, KIND OF THE NUANCES THAT GET INTO DOING THAT TYPE OF CALCULATION AND THE ISSUES BETWEEN OUR SERVICE AREA VERSUS THE CITY'S INCORPORATED AREA.
I THINK WHAT'S SORT OF GOOD NEWS FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS THAT OUR USE IN THE SEDONA AREA IS REALLY RESIDENTIAL AND SORT OF COMMERCIAL SERVING RESIDENTIAL AND VISITORS.
IT'S NOT HIGH WATER USE COMMERCIAL, IT'S NOT AG MM-HMM.
SO WE CAN, WHEN WE FIND, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF, WE CAN COMPARE RESIDENTIAL WATER USE IN OTHER PLACES COMPARED TO OUR RESIDENTIAL WATER USE AND SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT A COMPLICATED SITUATION RELATIVE TO SOME OF THESE OTHER PLACES THAT WE HAVE TO STUDY AND TRY TO INTERPRET BETWEEN.
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? UM,
AT LEAST THAT'S OUR EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE 24 WATER SYSTEMS AND I WILL TELL YOU EACH AND EVERY WATER SYSTEM IS UNIQUE.
UM, AND, UH, AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT SEDONA IS PARTICULARLY, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, TYPICAL.
I I THINK IT HAS ITS OWN SPECIAL, UH, SITUATION, ITS OWN SPECIAL CHARACTERISTICS.
AND, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT MAKES OUR OUR JOBS INTERESTING IS THAT EVERY SYSTEM THAT WE DEAL WITH IS DIFFERENT, HAS DIFFERENT ISSUES, DIFFERENT CHALLENGES, DIFFERENT STRENGTHS.
UM, AND THE, THE, THE, THE, THE SECRET SAUCE IS FIGURING OUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO CREATE A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY.
OOH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I ACTUALLY WANNA MAKE A POINT, UM, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN KIND OF ALLUDED TO THAT.
I THINK, UM, WE'RE INTRODUCING THIS TOPIC AT A PRETTY HIGH LEVEL, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND DIVE INTO THIS, UM, INTO THE SPECIFICS AT A AT A FURTHER TIME AS WELL IF THERE'S OUTSIDE OF THE, THE TIME THAT WE HAVE TODAY INTEREST TO DEEP DIVE INTO IT.
YOU WANNA GO TO GLEN CANYON DAM FRIDAY?
SHE PROBABLY WILL
JOHN'S BEEN FABULOUS AS FAR AS BEING APPROACHABLE.
I MEAN REALLY ABOVE JUST EXCELLENT.
SO IF THAT WORKS, I KNOW WE GOT OUR SCHEDULES KIND OF PACKED FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, SO NOT THAT WE DON'T ENJOY THIS WONDERFUL INFORMATION.
MAYOR, AS A DATA ORIENTED INDIVIDUAL, THIS ALREADY FEELS LIKE A DEEP DIVE, SO THANK YOU.
AND AS A NON DATA ORIENTED INDIVIDUAL,
WELL, AND, AND IF THE HYDROLOGY WASN'T TECHNICAL ENOUGH FOR YOU, YOU'RE IN FOR A REAL TREAT.
'CAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF IT.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH THE LEGAL STUFF.
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FINE.WHO WAS THE LAWYER? SOME WAS THE LAWYER.
THERE ARE A COUPLE LAWYERS HERE.
WELL, AND VICE MAYOR, I'M HYDROLOGIST PLAYING ATTORNEY, SO I, IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME AND JUST KNOW THAT I'M TRYING TO DO MY BEST AS A TECHNICAL PERSON TO EXPLAIN LEGAL MATTERS, WHICH IS WHAT THE GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATION IS.
IT'S TAKING TECHNICAL MATTERS THAT ARE BEING, UH, DEALT WITH IN THROUGH THE LEGAL SYSTEM.
AND THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATION IS.
UH, I DEFINE IT'S DEFINED AS A LEGAL PROCEEDING TO DETERMINE THE EXTENT, WHICH IS THE VOLUME AND THEN THE PRO, THE PRIORITY, WHICH IS WHEN IT WAS FIRST PUT IN USE OF WATER RIGHTS.
UH, TERRY SUE MENTIONED IT EARLIER AND I AGREE YOU CAN, IT'S AKIN TO, IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS A, AS A CLASS ACTION, UH, KIND OF LAWSUIT WHERE IT'S VERY COMPLEX MATTER.
UH, THERE'S NUMEROUS PARTIES INVOLVED, AND THEY GENERALLY TAKE A VERY LONG TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE LEGAL SYSTEM.
THE DIFFERENCE IS WITH THE CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, THERE'S GENERALLY SOMEBODY AT FAULT, OR THERE'S SOMETHING ILLEGAL HAS BEEN DONE IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT THAT SITUATION.
AND BASICALLY WHAT IT IS IS, AND WHAT STARTED IT WAS BACK IN THE 1970S, 1974 TO BE EXACT SALT RIVER PROJECT, PETITIONED THE ARIZONA STATE LAND DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE THEIR WATER RIGHTS ALONG THE SALT RIVER ABOVE, UH, UH, ABOVE GRANITE DAM.
AND THEN IN 1976, THEY FOLLOWED THAT UP.
SS R P DID FI FILED A PETITION TO SETTLE THEIR CLAIMS ON THE VERDE RIVER AND ITS TRIBUTARIES, INCLUDING OAK CREEK.
SO THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE ADJUDICATION.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE MID SEVENTIES.
SO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE MAP.
THE MAP SHOWS, UH, TWO COLORS HERE.
THERE ARE TWO, TWO ONGOING GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATIONS.
THE AREA IN GREEN IS CALLED THE LITTLE COLORADO SYSTEM AND SOURCE ADJUDICATION.
AND THE ORANGE-ISH AREA IS THE GILA RIVER ADJUDICATION.
I'VE, THAT MAP SHOWS ALL OF OUR SERVICE AREAS IN BLUE AROUND THE STATE.
BUT I'VE KIND OF ZOOMED INTO THE SEDONA AREA TO SHOW YOU OUR PINEWOOD, WHICH IS THE MONS PARK SYSTEM, SEDONA VALLEY VISTA, WHICH IS THE VILLAGE, AND THEN DOWN IN RIM ROCK.
SO, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS, INCLUDING ALL OF OUR NORTHERN ARIZONA SYSTEMS, ARE IN THE ADJUDICATION AREA.
SO LIKE A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, THERE ARE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND WATER CLAIMS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE COURT TO BE SETTLED AS PART OF THE ADJUDICATION.
UH, THERE, I BELIEVE THERE'S OVER 40,000 INDIVIDUAL CLAIMANTS.
UH, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY IS A CLAIMANT.
WE HAVE FILED CLAIMS FOR OUR, UH, PUMPING IN ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS. SO WE ARE DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN THE ADJUDICATION PROCESS.
AND TO SET THINGS UP, I HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, ARIZONA MANAGES SURFACE WATER AND GROUNDWATER DIFFERENTLY.
SURFACE WATER IS, IS MANAGED BY THE PRIOR APPROPRIATION CONCEPT.
SO FIRST IN TIME, FIRST IN RIGHT, UH, SOMEBODY PUTS WATER TO USE, THEY HAVE A SENIOR, RIGHT? THEN SOMEBODY PUTS IT TO USE AFTER THEM.
GROUNDWATER OUTSIDE OF ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREAS IS MANAGED BY REASONABLE USE.
YOU CAN USE WATER UNDER YOUR PROPERTY AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT WASTING IT.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT WATER RIGHTS OR WATER USE ARE SUBJECT TO THE ADJUDICATION? AND IT BOILS DOWN TO TWO TYPES, SURFACE WATER AND SUBFLOW.
THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT IS SUBFLOW WATER THAT'S PUMPED FROM THE SUBFLOW ZONE? THAT'S WHAT THE LEFT LEGAL RULING HAS CREATED.
THE SUBSEQUENT ZONE IS A GEOLOGIC UNIT THAT CONSISTS OF ALLUVIAL MATERIALS DEPOSITED BY A STREAM IN RECENT GEOLOGIC TIMES.
SO IF YOU LOOK OVER AT THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, I'VE, UH, SHOWN THE, THE FAR EAST END OF THE CITY.
AND YOU CAN SEE OAK CREEK IS THAT BLUE LINE, UH, THROUGH, THAT'S SURROUNDED BY A MAGENTA LINE ON EACH SIDE.
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AND WHAT THAT MAGENTA LINE REPRESENTS IS THE LATERAL EXTENT OF THE SUBFLOW ZONE THAT'S BEEN DELINEATED BY THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES FOR OAK CREEK THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THE CITY.SO THAT WATER WELLS THAT ARE LOCATED INSIDE THE SUBFLOW ZONE ARE DEEMED BY THE PORT TO BE PUMPING SUBFLOW WELLS OUTSIDE THE SUBFLOW ZONE CAN BE DETERMINED TO BE PUMPING SUBFLOW BASED ON A YET TO BE DEVELOPED TEST THAT IS USING A GROUNDWATER FLOW BOTTLE TO SEE IF WATER IS BEING PULLED FROM THE SUBFLOW ZONE OUT OF THE SUBFLOW ZONE INTO A WELL AND THEN OUT.
SO, I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION REAL FAST, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE SUB, WHAT THE, UH, ADJUDICATION IS ALL ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT DETERMINING WATER, SURFACE WATER USE FROM THE STREAM OR PUMPING A SUBFLOW THAT'S EITHER IN THE SUBFLOW ZONE OR ADJACENT TO THE SUBFLOW ZONE THAT'S BEING PULLED FROM THE SUBFLOOR ZONE.
SO HERE, UH, VICE MAYOR IS A, IS A, A MAP THAT SHOWS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THE LIGHT BLUE AREA IS OUR, IT'S CALLED OUR C C N N, OUR CONVENIENCE OF OUR CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY.
IT'S THE AREA THAT WE ARE, UH, OBLIGATED AND ALLOWED TO SERVE IN.
UH, THE BLUE DOTS ARE OUR WELLS OR ACTIVE WELLS INCLUDE, BUT ONE ADDITIONAL, WELL, THE POSSE WELL IS NOT IN SERVICE POSSE GROUNDS.
AND THEN THE YELLOW AREA IS THE SUBFLOW ZONE, THE LATERAL EXTENT.
SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE SUBFLOW ZONE MAKES ITS WAY THROUGH OUR SERVICE AREA AND HOW IT RELATES TO WELL OR WHERE OUR WELLS ARE LOCATED.
SO THE SUBFLOW ZONE FOR OAK CREEK AND OTHER TRIBUTARIES OF THE VERDE RIVER WAS JUST DELINEATED EARLIER THIS YEAR IN APRIL.
AND WHAT I'LL DO NOW IS KIND OF POINT OUT OUR WELLS AND HOW THEY RELATE TO THE SUBFLOW ZONE.
SO UP IN THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE MAP, YOU'LL SEE OUR, WELL NINE THAT IS LOCATED INSIDE THE SUBFLOW ZONE, UH, TO THE SOUTH, MOVING SOUTH ALONG THE SUBFLOW ZONE.
WELLS TWO 10 AND FOUR ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE SUBFLOW ZONE, BUT IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY, LESS THAN HALF A MILE.
AND THEN TO THE WEST, WE HAVE OUR WELLS 5, 6, 7, 8, AND 12 THAT ARE LOCATED AT A FURTHER DISTANCE, ROUGHLY TWO OR MORE MILES AWAY FROM THE SUBFLOW ZONE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DO HAVE ONE WELL INSIDE THE SUBFLOW ZONE.
SO THAT WOULD BE DEEMED AS OF NOW TO BE PUMPING SUBFLOW.
UH, WE HAVE OTHER WELLS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE SUBFLOW ZONE, AND WE HAVE OTHER WELLS THAT ARE LOCATED AT A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE WELLS OUTSIDE OF THE SUBFLOW ZONE.
WE CANNOT DETERMINE AT THIS POINT IF THEY ARE PUMPING SUBFLOW BECAUSE THE MODEL AND THE TEST HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES.
IN FACT, IT'S NOT EVEN BEING CONTEMPLATED AT THIS TIME.
SO WHAT I'VE DONE HERE, YOU'LL SEE I'VE BOLDED, UH, UH, ON THE BULLETS.
YOU SEE ONE, WELL NUMBER NINE IS INSIDE THE SUBFLOW ZONE.
I'VE LABELED THAT HIGH RISK, UH, THE THREE WELLS, TWO, 10 AND FOUR, I'VE LABELED AS MODERATE RISK.
AND THERE ARE SIX WELLS THAT ARE TO THE WEST, UH, 5, 6, 7, 8, AND 12 AS LOW RISK.
AND I'M GONNA EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO HERE IS THAT SAME GRAPH THAT YOU'VE SEEN EARLIER THAT SHOWS OUR GROUNDWATER PUMPING AND OUR DEMAND.
UH, AND WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE DIVIDED, UH, OUR PUMPING BY WELL INTO THE LOW, MODERATE AND HIGH RISK CATEGORIES.
SO THE LOW RISK WELLS ARE, UH, 5, 6, 7, 8, AND 12.
THE MODERATE RISK ARE TWO, FOUR, AND 10.
AND THE HIGH RISK IS, WELL, NINE.
SO YOU CAN SEE ROUGHLY, UH, HOW MUCH OF THE, WHAT WE CONSIDER LOW RISK, UH, IS HOW MUCH PUMPING IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT VERSUS THE MODERATE AND THE HIGH RISK.
AND WHAT I DEFINE THE RISK AS IS THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR PUMPING FROM THAT, WELL, SOME OF IT OR ALL OF IT TO BE,
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UH, CONSIDERED SUBFLOW ONCE THE TEST IS DONE OF IT.SO AGAIN, UH, THE NUMBERS, UH, COULD, I CAN GO THROUGH SOME OF THE NUMBERS TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE 22, THE YEAR 2022 VALUES, UH, THE HIGH RISK PUMPING PLACED TO ABOUT 10% OF OUR OVERALL PUMPING, THE MODERATE RISK WAS ABOUT 35% OF OUR PUMPING.
AND THE LOW RISK WAS ABOUT 55% OF OUR PUMPING.
JEFF, YOU HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
IS THAT OKAY, JEFF? ALRIGHT, JESSICA.
SO IF, IF THE HIGH RISK OR THE MODERATE, IF THE, IF THE WELLS CLOSEST TO THE, UM, FLOW AREA ARE DEEMED FROM THE FLOW AREA, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I KNOW THE ONE IN THE FLOW AREA IS, BUT WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THEY ARE DEEMED TAKING FROM THE SUBFLOW AREA? UH, YOU'RE, IF I MAY, I I WOULD LIKE, I WILL ADDRESS THAT LATER.
AND, AND THEN, UH, YOU'RE GOOD TOO.
OH, YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GOING? YES, YOU JUST ANSWERED BOTH OF THE QUESTIONS.
SO NOW, UH, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE SAME CONCEPT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WHEN TERRY SUE WAS TALKING.
IF WE INTRODUCE ANOTHER SUPPLY SUCH AS EFFLUENT, UH, AND WE CAN OFFSET OUR, SOME OF OUR GROUNDWATER PUMPING WITH ANOTHER SUPPLY EFFLUENT, WE COULD REPLACE THE HIGH RISK AND SOME OF THE MODERATE RISK PUMPING, UH, WITH THE EFFLUENT SUPPLY, WHICH THEREFORE WOULD REDUCE OUR OVERALL RISK OF BEING SUBJECT TO THE ADJUDICATION COMMUNICATION.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST, UH, IT'S AS MUCH CONCEPTUAL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF OUR PUMPING IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE SUBFLOW, BUT THIS IS TO SHOW HOW YOU CAN MITIGATE THE SUBFLOW RISK WITH OTHER SUPPLIES.
JUST QUICK QUESTION, IS THAT EFFLUENT ASSUMED TO COME FROM US YES.
FROM OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THEN THE NEXT STEP, IF WE INCORPORATE WATER CONSERVATION AND DEMAND MANAGEMENT, WE COULD FURTHER REDUCE OUR GROUNDWATER PUMPING POTENTIALLY TO ELIMINATE EVEN MORE OF THE HIGHER RISK OR MODERATE RISK PUMPING, SO THAT EVEN LESS RISK IS BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE ADJUDICATION PROCESS.
SO, AND, AND, UH, AS RA LUKA MENTIONED, SHE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IN THE UPCOMING, UH, PRESENTATION.
UM, JEFF, JUST REALLY QUICK, I JUST WANNA REMIND FOLKS THAT THE TIMEFRAME WE'RE LOOKING HERE AGAIN IS FROM 2018 TO 2030.
SO THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSES OF DEMONSTRATING KIND OF HOW WE MANAGE OR BALANCE THESE WATER RESOURCES IN ORDER TO REACH OBJECTIVES, WHICH IS THE SUSTAINABLE SUPPLY.
SO WHEN WE GO ON IN THE FUTURE, THE WORK WE'RE GONNA DO AFTER TODAY IS TO PROJECT THIS OUT TO A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO THIS PICTURE, UH, LOOKS, IT LOOKS THE WAY THAT IT DOES RIGHT HERE BECAUSE OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'VE MADE.
SO DON'T, YEAH, AND IT MORE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AT THIS POINT.
HOLD, HOLD TO ONE JEFF, AND YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT FUTURE USE.
ARE YOU IN CONTACT, FOR INSTANCE, WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY PREDICT WOULD BE FUTURE BUILDING BEHAVIOR, UH, FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT SORT OF THING? YES.
WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF AND WE'LL BE RELYING ON YOUR FUTURE LAND USE PLANS AND ALL OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS IN ORDER TO PROJECT OUT DEMANDS INTO THE FUTURE.
SO, UH, UH, STAFF HAD BROUGHT UP, UH, SOME INFORMATION TO ME AND TO US EARLIER ABOUT ONGOING, UH, LEGAL MATTERS RELATED TO THE ADJUDICATION THAT WERE ONGOING CURRENTLY.
SO I WANTED TO JUST, UH, TALK ABOUT, ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE, UH, THE VERDE ADJUDICATION OR, UH, AGAIN, PART OF THE GILA RIVER ADJUDICATION.
SO THERE ARE THREE, THREE MATTERS THAT, UH, ARE ONGOING.
ONE IS RELATED TO WHAT'S CALLED THE DE MINIMIS
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DOMESTIC WATER USE IN THE VERDE RIVER WATERSHED.IN 2021, A D W R RELEASED A TECHNICAL REPORT.
THERE WERE COMMENTS PROVIDED, UH, THAT HAS NOW MOVED TO WHERE DEC DISCLOSURE STATEMENTS AND EXPERT REPORTS ARE DUE NEXT MONTH, AND THEY HAVE A TRIAL SET TO BEGIN IN JULY OF NEXT YEAR.
DI MINIMUS USES ARE SMALL USES THAT, AND THEY'RE BASICALLY TRYING TO DECIDE IF IT'S, IF IT'S A SMALL USE LIKE A DOMESTIC, WELL THAT MIGHT BE USING A HALF AN ACRE FOOT OF WATER A YEAR.
SHOULD THAT JUST BE KIND OF REMOVED FROM THE ADJUDICATION PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S THE MINIMUS, IT'S NOT, IS IT HAVING A, A MATERIAL IMPACT ON THE HYDROLOGY? AND SO THERE HAS BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THAT, AND IT'LL EVENTUALLY GO TO TRIAL NEXT YEAR.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE SUBFLOW DELINEATION REPORT FOR THE VERDE RIVER, THE MAIN STEM OF THE VERDE RIVER AND SYCAMORE CANYON.
UH, I'VE GOT, WHEN I'VE SUBMITTED THIS, UH, TO, UH, STAFF TO PUT IN FOR THIS PRESENTATION, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THERE WAS A TRIAL SET TO START THIS WEEK.
I'VE CHECKED WITH OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND FOUND OUT THAT A, A MOTION FOR SUB JUDGMENT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, RECENTLY, AND THAT, UH, THAT IS BEING HEARD BY, OR BEING REVIEWED BY THE JUDGE.
AND SO THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NO TRIAL AS OF THE STATE.
THE TRIAL HAS BEEN VACATED CURRENTLY UNTIL THE JUDGE RULES ON THAT MOTION.
UH, THEN THE MORE PRESSING ONE FOR OAK CREEK IS THE SUBFLOW DELINEATION REPORT THAT WAS RELEASED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
AS I MENTIONED, FOR THE VERDE RIVER, THE REMAINING PARTS OF THE VERDE RIVER, INCLUDING OAK CREEK, UH, OBJECTIONS TO THAT REPORT ARE DUE NEXT MONTH.
AND THERE IS NO TRIAL DATE SET.
SO IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOMETIME BEFORE, UH, THIS MATTER WOULD PROBABLY GO TO TRIAL.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL, UH, UH, THE OBJECTIONS ARE VERY MINIMAL, UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE SUBFLOW ZONE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED WAS LITIGATED HEAVILY FOR THE SAN PEDRO RIVER AND, UH, HAS BASICALLY GENERALLY BEEN ACCEPTED BY MOST PARTIES.
SO ANYWAY, THERE, THERE ARE THINGS HAPPENING UP HERE IN THE VERDE RIVER SYSTEM, BUT I WANNA POINT OUT AND MAKE THIS POINT VERY CLEAR.
NONE OF THESE DETERMINE IF WE ARE PUMPING SUBFLOW OR IF WE ARE NOT PUMPING SUBFLOW.
THESE ARE PRECURSORS TO DETERMINE THE SUBFLOW DELINEATION TO DETERMINE IF SMALL USES SHOULD BE ELIMINATED.
THESE ARE EARLY STAGE ACTIVITIES IN THE EFFORTS GOING ON IN THE VERDE RIVER SYSTEM.
PETE, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO, I DO.
UH, IF WE COULD SWITCH BACK TO YOUR, IT'S YOUR SLIDE 21, WHICH IS THAT SUBFLOW MAP.
AND, AND JEFF, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID SO FAR IN COLORING IT WITH THE AMOUNT OF SERIOUSNESS THAT YOU'VE PUT OUT AS IS ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE.
AT THE SAME TIME, I ALSO WANNA TRY AND PUT OUT AN UNDERSTANDING THAT I, UH, I CURRENTLY HAVE, AND THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF GOOD NEWS, NOT TEMPERATE THIS, THE, UH, THE WARNING THAT GOES ON ALL OF THE ADJUDICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, THE GILA RIVER, AS HE MENTIONED, AND SAN PEDRO RIVER THAT ARE FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS.
THOSE IN OUR, IN AREAS THAT ARE MUCH MORE ALLUVIAL PLAIN, MUCH MORE SAND GRAVELLY ZONES WHERE THE WATER IS MORE EASILY TRANSMISSIBLE FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER.
WE LOVE IT THAT WE'RE HERE IN THE RED ROCKS, AND THIS IS MOSTLY A WATER FRACTURED ROCK WATER TRANSFER.
SO IT'S HARDER FOR WATER TO MOVE FROM ONE SPOT TO ANOTHER.
AND SO WHEN WE GET CONCERNED ABOUT DISTANCE FROM THE SUB FLOW ZONES, IT'S GONNA BE EASIER, PERHAPS, PERHAPS WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT PERHAPS FOR, UH, OUR WELLS NOT TO BE IN THE SAME LEVEL OF RISK AS IN OTHER PLACES.
AND, AND THAT'LL JUST PLAY OUT OVER TIME.
AND JEFF, AM I OR ANY OF YOU, YEAH.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT ON TOP OF WHAT YOU'VE SAID? I WOULD.
UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO UNDERESTIMATE YEAH.
UH, SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I CATEGORIZE THEM THIS WAY.
UH, BUT I AGREE THAT GEOLOGY IS DIFFERENT HERE.
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AS A, AS A FORMER, UH, PERSON WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE GROUNDWATER MODELING SECTION AT A D W R, UH, I'LL BE VERY CURIOUS HOW THEY PUT TOGETHER A MODEL UP, UP HERE.AND, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING USING A MODEL THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY THE UNITED STATES GEOLOGICAL SURVEY.
UM, I DON'T, UH, I DIDN'T WANT TO UNDERESTIMATE AT THIS POINT.
IT JUST, IT'S ALL CONJECTURE ANYWAY AT THIS POINT, SO, YEP.
BUT YEAH, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THAT'S MORE OF THE CASE, THEN EVEN BETTER THAT WE HAVE LESS RISK THAN I'M ASSIGNING HERE.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE DON'T WANNA UNDERESTIMATE THE RISK, AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE KIND OF HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO NOT OVERESTIMATE RISK TOO AND SCARE PEOPLE UNNECESSARILY AT TIMES.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING, KURT, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ADJUDICATION AND, YOU KNOW, FUTURE PERFORMANCE CAN'T, WHATEVER THEY SAY ABOUT THE PAST, YOU CAN'T BASE THE FUTURE ON THE PAST.
THIS LITIGATION HAS JUST TAKEN YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE YEARS AND YEARS MORE.
IT'S LIKELY GONNA TAKE A LOT BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF CASES AND A LOT OF LAWYERS INVOLVED.
AND SO IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT MORE TIME BEFORE WE GET REAL ANSWERS HERE.
BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN ALL OF THE LITIGATION, EVEN WELLS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND TO BE IN THE SUBFLOW ZONES, NONE OF 'EM HAVE CLOSED YET.
IS THAT RIGHT? WE HAVEN'T YET IMPLEMENTED A DRASTIC ACTION AS A RESULT OF LITIGATION.
AND, UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ON MY LAST SLIDE TO THAT.
I'LL TOUCH ON IF YOU, IF I COULD WRAP IT INTO MY LAST SLIDE.
AND YOU'LL SEE, I'LL, I'LL SKIP DOWN TO THE SECOND TO LAST BULLET ON THIS SLIDE.
POTENTIAL ADJUDICATION OUTCOMES ARE CURRENTLY UNKNOWN.
UH, YES, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE IS NOTHING IN PLACE, EVEN IN SAN PEDRO, UH, THAT IS IN TO IMPACT ANYONE'S PUMPING.
THERE'S BEEN NO DETERMINING, EVEN IF YOUR WELL IS IN THE SUBFLOW ZONE AS DELINEATED NOW, THE, THE COURTS ARE NOT STOPPING ANY PUMPING THAT THAT IS THE CASE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE, UH, A DECREE THAT WILL, PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW AND WHO, WHO CAN AND WHO CAN'T PUMP.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE, UH, AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM USING A, A GROUNDWATER MODEL.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL JUST BE DAMAGES THAT MIGHT HAVE TO BE PAID TO A, TO A SENIOR RIGHT HOLDER IF YOU'RE PUMPING, OR WHAT OTHER KIND OF DEALS CAN BE WORKED OUT TO, UH, RELIEVE, UH, A JUNIOR USER'S.
NOTHING HAS BEEN DETERMINED YET IN ANYWHERE IN THE STATE AND IT'S YEARS TO DECADES OFF, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE VERDE IN MY ESTIMATION.
THE LAST THING I WANNA PUT OUT THERE, JEFF, AND I KNOW THAT YOUR ANSWER IS YES, AT LEAST I HOPE IT IS THAT I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE ALSO KEEPING TRACK OF THE CP W OV AQUIFER STUDY.
AND THEN I WAS ON A TELECONFERENCE JUST THE OTHER DAY WITH A, A YAPA APACHE NATION MODEL OF THE VERDE RIVER WATERSHED, UH, THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WORK WAS GOING ON BEFORE, BUT CERTAINLY THOSE ARE GREAT RESOURCES FOR YOU GUYS TO SUPPLEMENT THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AS WELL.
AND WE ARE, ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE CAR AMP MODEL, THE YES.
BEING WORKED ON FOR THE, UH, PLATEAU GROUP? YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY.
WE ARE KEENLY AWARE AND, UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE SAME CONSULTANT ON THAT'S DOING THAT WORK, IS DOING THE WORK FOR US.
SO, UH, I I'M NOT INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE NATION IS DOING.
UH, BUT AS TIME GOES ON, WE'LL PROBABLY GET MORE AND MORE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
JOHN, I'LL GIVE YOU A REFERENCE TO THAT.
THE, THE CONFERENCE CALL THEY HAD JUST THE OTHER DAY, GIVEN THEIR STATUS, IT WAS THEIR INITIAL RESULTS OF THEIR MODEL, WHICH WAS REALLY INTERESTING WORK.
YEAH, I THINK I SAW THE PRINTED COPY.
SO, YEAH, I, MOST OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT, BUT AGAIN, I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THEM.
THIS, THE ADJUDICATION IS A LEGAL CONSTRAINT.
IT'S NOT A WATER PHYSICAL, A PHYSICAL WATER AVAILABILITY ISSUE.
UH, OUR RISK IS ONLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER THAT'S DEEMED TO BE SUBFLOW.
WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS, UH, I EXPECT IT'LL
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TAKE DECADES BEFORE WE GET ANY RESOLUTION ON, UH, THE IMPACTS TO SUBFLOW PUMPING AND THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS.SO THERE'S ALWAYS OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT AND PARTICIPATE.
WE ARE AN ACTIVE PARTY IN THE ADJUDICATION, AND WE HAVE A TEAM, MYSELF AND OTHERS INTERNALLY, AS WELL AS OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT ARE MONITORING ALL THE LEGAL AND TECHNICAL GOINGS ON, AND BOTH NORTHERN ARIZONA AND SOUTHERN AREA AND SOUTHERN ARIZONA, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN SAN PEDRO WILL MOVE ITS WAY UP.
AND PRECEDENTS SET DOWN THERE WILL PROBABLY WORK THEIR WAY UP TO NORTHERN ARIZONA.
SO, AND THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY IS THAT WE DO HAVE TIME.
WE, WE CAN, WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN DO NOW, AND AS TIME GOES ON, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO MORE.
BUT WE ARE PLANNING NOW, WE'LL CONTINUE TO PLAN, AND AS TIME GOES ON, WE'LL GET MORE AND MORE CERTAINTY AS TO WHAT OUR, UH, PLAN WILL BE.
AND THE LAST, THE LAST SLIDE THAT CHOSE, YEAH.
ANY QUESTIONS? SO I THINK WE ASKED THE QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO ONTO THE NEXT? OKAY, GREAT.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, SO I'M GONNA TRY AND BE COGNIZANT OF OUR TIME, UM, AND MOVE THROUGH THIS QUITE QUICKLY, BUT EFFECTIVELY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, MY NAME IS ULKA.
I'M THE WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR FOR THE COMPANY.
UM, BEFORE I JUMP IN, I JUST WANNA GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF TERMINOLOGY.
SO WE KEEP TOSSING AROUND THIS PHRASE, INTEGRATED DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS A MOUTHFUL.
UM, BUT YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY THINK OF IT AS A WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM TAKEN TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION, UM, A LOT OF THE EMPHASIS IS USUALLY PUT ON THE END CONSUMER.
SO THE RESIDENT OR, OR, UH, THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY CONSERVE WATER.
WHEN WE, UM, TALK ABOUT A DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, IT ALSO HOLDS US AS A UTILITY TO THE SAME STANDARD THAT WE'RE HOLDING OUR CUSTOMERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT WASTING WATER AND THAT WE'RE USING WATER EFFICIENTLY ON OUR END AS WELL.
ALSO, WHEN WE USE THAT TERMINOLOGY, IT ALSO TIES IT BACK INTO THE WATER RESOURCE ASPECT THAT TERRY SUE IS TALKING ABOUT.
SO LOOKING AT CONSERVATION AS A RESOURCE, IF WE CAN SAVE ONE GALLON OF WATER, THAT'S ONE LESS GALLON WE HAVE TO PUMP OUT OF THE GROUND.
UM, AND IT'S INTEGRATED BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ARIZONA WATER COMPANY PROGRAM.
UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, TOWN OR CITY OF SEDONA.
UM, AND ALSO INCORPORATING, UM, SOME OF THE COUNTY FOLKS TO REALLY BRING TOGETHER THE BEST PROGRAM AS WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, JUST GOING OVER THAT REALLY QUICKLY, UM, REGARDING REGULATIONS FOR CONSERVATION, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THE, KIND OF THE BACKGROUND AND THE REGULATORY ASPECT OF IT.
SO, AS A PRIVATE WATER UTILITY, WE'RE REGULATED BY TWO ENTITIES, THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES AND THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION.
WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR SERVICE AREA IN SEDONA, UM, IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY IN AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA.
SO THERE'S NOT VERY, AS STRICT CONSERVATION REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS AS IF YOU WERE IN AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA.
UM, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT SOME REPORTING, UM, AND OUR NEXT SUBMISSION DATE IS ACTUALLY NEXT YEAR AND INTO 2025.
THAT BEING SAID, UM, REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT OUR ONLY, UH, IT'S NOT THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO DO CONSERVATION IN THIS AREA, TYING IT BACK INTO WATER RESOURCES, IN ADDITION TO WATER CONSERVATION, JUST BEING THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UM, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS AREA WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, MANAGING OUR PORTFOLIO BY THE CORPORATION COMMISSION.
UM, AS A UTILITY, WE HAVE TARIFFS PUT INTO PLACE.
UH, THOSE WE'RE SET IN 2023 AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO UPHOLD, UM, THOSE TARIFFS THAT WE HAVE PUT INTO PLACE FOR OUR SYSTEMS, SORRY, 2013
UM, SO, AND, AND THOSE ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW THE SPECIFIC THINGS WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IN THE SYSTEM.
UM, BUT I'LL SAVE YOU THAT TIME BY COVERING THAT MYSELF.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK LIST OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY DONE, UM, FOR CONSERVATION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE ARE NOT JUST NOW STARTING TO DO CONSERVATION FOR SEDONA.
UM, JOHN AND HIS TEAM UP HERE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF THINGS, UM, FOR MANY YEARS.
AND THIS IS JUST, UM, A LIST OF WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE.
AND THIS LIST IS TAKEN FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER MA, UH, WATER RESOURCES, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, OR B M P LIST FROM, UM, THE MANAGEMENT PLANS.
SO WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING ON DOING CONSERVATION OR DEMAND MANAGEMENT IN THE AREA, I ALWAYS LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE LAY OF THE LAND.
SO AS A UTILITY, WHAT HAVE WE BEEN DOING AS A CITY? WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN DOING? SO I CAN GET AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO ADD IN FOR A DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
UM, SO WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THE CITY WAS DOING, AND WE PRESENTED THIS TO, TO STAFF
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JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE WEREN'T MISSING SOME THINGS, BUT FROM A HIGH LEVEL, UM, YOU GUYS ARE DOING CONSERVATION IN, UM, AS IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL LAND PLAN.UM, THERE'S A DEMONSTRATION GARDEN AT CITY HALL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MEETING MONTHLY WITH, WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THIS IS JUST SOME INFORMATION, UM, WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR CONSERVATION AS WELL.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION I THINK FOR OUR CITY STAFF.
UM, NOT GOING DEEP ON THIS, BUT THE CITY CODE REQUIRING NATIVE AND LOW WATER USE PLANTS.
AND WHERE DO WE STAND ON LAWN GRASS COMMERCIAL? IT, IT, IT'S COMMERCIAL ONLY.
WE DON'T HAVE, UM, THE SAME STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT APPLIES TO CITY PROJECTS AS WELL.
BUT CAN I JUST ADD THAT WE DO ANSWER A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND WE PROVIDE OUR LOW WATER PLANT LIST TO A NUMBER OF, OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THAT AS WELL.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT CAN BE KIND OF HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT LEADS UP TO US PUTTING TOGETHER A DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
SO WHEN WE START, WE JUST START BY MEETING AND PROPOSING THIS IDEA, MAKE SURE THAT WE GET BUY-IN, UM, TO EVEN DO SOMETHING NEW.
AND THEN WE CONDUCT SOMETHING CALLED A COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ASSESSMENT, WHERE IT'S ESSENTIALLY LOOKING AT THE DATA ASPECT OF IT.
SO IF WE LOOK AT OUR PUMPING DATA AND OUR CUSTOMER DATA, UH, WHAT DO, WHAT IS THE STORY THAT THE NUMBERS TELL? HOW MUCH WATER ARE PEOPLE USING? AND WHERE ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SAVINGS? WE PRESENT THOSE FINDINGS.
AND THEN WE ESSENTIALLY AS A TEAM, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH STAFF DECIDE ON WHAT SHOULD WE ADD IN, WHAT ARE RESOURCES THAT WE THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD UTILIZE FOR CONSERVATION, AND WHAT WOULD BE WELL RECEIVED? UM, SO NOW WE'RE KIND OF AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE, WE'VE IRONED OUT THOSE ELEMENTS, AND I'LL GO OVER THOSE IN A BIT.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH LEADERSHIP TO BASICALLY WORK EVERYTHING OUT.
THE NEXT STEP IS TO LAUNCH THE ACTUAL PROGRAM.
AND THAT JUST IN, THAT JUST BASICALLY MARKS THE START OF PROVIDING THESE RESOURCES, THESE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE'VE LAUNCHED THE PROGRAM, WE KIND OF SHIFT INTO A MAINTENANCE PHASE WHERE WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, HOW WELL ARE THESE RESOURCES BEING USED? UM, WHAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CHANGE? UM, AND THEN PROVIDING UPDATES ON, ON HOW THE PROGRAM IS GOING.
SO THE GOAL IS TO DETERMINE WHICH SECTORS OF WATER USERS IN SEDONA AND THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, UH, WITH THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR SAVINGS.
THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT STRATEGIES THAT WE USE, UM, BUT I ALSO KIND OF ALREADY WENT OVER THIS USING THE BILLING DATA TO DETERMINE, UM, WHERE WE SHOULD FOCUS OUR EFFORTS.
THE LARGEST OPPORTUNITIES ARE, UM, WE HAVE A LARGE OPPORTUNITY FOR RESORTS AND OTHER COMMERCIAL WATER USERS, UM, WITH HIGH OUTDOOR WATER USE SPECIFICALLY.
SO, UH, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE GET INTO STRATEGY.
LIKE IF WE TARGET A FEW ACCOUNTS THAT ARE USING A HIGH, HIGH AMOUNTS OF WATER, WE CAN GET SOME SAVINGS THERE.
BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE, UH, POTENTIAL FOR SAVINGS WITH RESIDENTIAL WATER USERS.
AND THERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE MAYBE USING, UM, MORE THAN AVERAGE.
AND SO LET'S, LET'S TARGET THEM, UM, AND GIVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTIAL WATER USERS TO CONSERVE AS WELL.
UM, BUT THE NUMBERS DID SHOW THAT THERE IS, UH, A JUMP IN OUTDOOR WATER USE.
SO THERE'S A LARGE PERCENT OF, UM, OF WATER USE HAPPENING IN THE, UM, IN THE SUMMER MONTHS COMPARED TO THE WINTER MONTHS, WHICH INDICATES THAT PEOPLE USE WATER FOR, FOR THEIR LANDSCAPING.
SO MAYBE WE CAN, IF WE PROVIDE SOME RESOURCES, PEOPLE CAN GET MORE EFFICIENT WITH HOW THEY'RE USING THE OUTDOOR WATER USE.
UM, A BIG THING ABOUT CONSERVATION IS WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET TO ZERO WATER USE, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE GET TO AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE, THEIR PARAMETERS OF WHAT'S COMFORTABLE IN THEIR, IN THEIR LIFESTYLE.
SO WITH OUR COMMERCIAL PROGRAM, WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, INDOOR AND OUTDOOR WATER USE AUDITS.
SO ACTUALLY IN-PERSON ASSESSMENTS, UM, USING A CONSULTANT CALLED WATER RESOURCES CONSULTING.
UH, THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT ARIZONA WATER COMPANY IS ESSENTIALLY FUNDING.
SO IT'S A FREE RESOURCE FOR COMMERCIAL ENTITIES TO UTILIZE, UM, LOOKING AT HOAS RESORTS, SCHOOLS AND CITY FACILITIES, UM, TO DO A DEEP DIVE AND PUT TOGETHER REPORTS SAYING, HEY, THESE ARE THE ACTIONS THAT WE RECOMMEND YOU TAKING.
THIS IS THE ESTIMATED GALLON SAVED.
UM, AND DOING A, A ROUGH ANALYSIS OF HOW, HOW MUCH MONEY THAT WOULD SAVE THE FACILITY IF THEY TOOK ACTION ON THOSE.
SO THAT'S ONE NEW ELEMENT THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON LAUNCHING.
UM, AND THEN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR, DOING A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM.
SO UTILIZING FACEBOOK TO, UM, REACH BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL WATER USERS, EXCUSE ME, WITH, UM, SPECIFIC MONTHLY, MONTHLY THEMES.
SO WHEN IT'S TIME TO OVERSEE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DO THAT EFFICIENTLY? UM, WE UTILIZE A COMPANY CALLED BLOS, SOME DIGITAL MARKETING.
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MARKETING EXPERTS BECAUSE I AM NOT, UM, TO HELP US MANAGE ALL OF THAT AND PUT TOGETHER OUR CONTENT SO THAT IT'S EASY TO DIGEST.KATHY, I, I JUST WANNA GO BACK FOR A SECOND TO THE IDENTIFYING, WHAT WAS THE WORDING? UH, DETECT TERM SECTOR WATER USERS IN SEDONA.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE LARGE USERS.
WHAT ABOUT HOAS? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DEAL WITH THE WATER UP UNTIL IT COMES INTO A COMMUNITY.
HOW DO YOU WORK WITH HOAS? BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES THERE AS WELL.
YEAH, SO WE WOULD, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WE WOULD UTILIZE THE SAME COMPANY, WATER RESOURCES CONSULTING TO, UM, GET INTO THE H O A SECTOR AND HELP THEM CONSERVE AS WELL.
SO THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN PROVIDING THESE TYPES OF AUDITS TO, UM, THE CITY OF TUCSON AND SCOTTSDALE FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS.
AND THEY'VE BEEN TARGETING HOAS, BUT ALSO CITY FACILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL USERS, UM, THE WHOLE GAMUT.
AND SO, UH, THIS COMPANY IS WELL EXPERIENCED IN, UM, HELPING HOAS FROM THE, UM, COMMON AREAS AND LOOKING AT THE COMMON AREAS, HOW THEY, HOW CAN THEY CONSERVE OUT THERE, UM, BUT THEN ALSO ADDRESSING, UM, ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT MIGHT BE, MIGHT BE OUT THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? UM, SO THE LAUNCH OF THE PROGRAM ALSO INCLUDES THE LAUNCH OF A LANDING PAGE.
SO ESSENTIALLY JUST EXPLAINING EVERYTHING I'VE JUST MENTIONED, UM, ON AN INDEPENDENT WEBSITE.
AND WE WOULD BE PROMOTING THAT THROUGH, UM, DIFFERENT CHANNELS, SO, YOU KNOW, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, ON OUR WEBSITE ON DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT'S A WEBSITE THEY CAN UTILIZE.
UM, THE LANDING PAGE IS ALSO GONNA HAVE A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS PAGE.
UM, AND THAT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.
SO AS QUESTIONS KEEP COMING UP AND WE FIND OURSELVES ADDRESSING THE SAME CONCERNS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE CAN ADJUST THE F A Q PAGE TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, WE'LL ALSO BE PUTTING TOGETHER A LAUNCH VIDEO, WHICH THE MAYOR WAS A PART OF, AND I'LL BE SENDING OUT, UM, THE PROOF OF THAT SOON.
UM, BUT THAT EXPLAINS THE PROGRAM, BUT ESSENTIALLY JUST IN A DIFFERENT MEDIUM, 'CAUSE PEOPLE, UH, TAKE IN INFORMATION IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THE VIDEO SHOOT AND, AND THE VIDEO WILL BE LAUNCHED AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING TOGETHER A WATER JOURNEY VIDEO THAT BASICALLY EXPLAINS, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP EARLIER FOR JOHN.
UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES WATER GET TO THE CITY AND ARE WE GROUNDWATER BASED? KIND OF, UH, EXPLAINING THAT TO PEOPLE, UM, DOING A PRE-CAMPAIGN SURVEY.
'CAUSE I, UM, WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE EXISTING MINDSET THAT RESIDENTS HAVE ABOUT CONSERVATION IN ORDER TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT RESOURCES AND WHAT TYPE OF INFORMATION SHOULD WE BE, BE PROVIDING TO PEOPLE.
UM, AND REALLY QUICKLY, ALL THESE RESOURCES THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER, LIKE THE LAUNCH VIDEO AND THE WATER JOURNEY VIDEO, UM, WE'RE ALSO PROMOTING IT THROUGH GEO-LOCATED ADS.
SO IF YOU'RE ON HULU ON A FRIDAY NIGHT ABOUT TO WATCH A MOVIE AND A COMMERCIAL POPS UP, YOU MIGHT GET A COMMERCIAL POINTING YOU TOWARDS THE LAUNCH VIDEO AND, YOU KNOW, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO USE MULTIPLE METHODOLOGIES TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS A RESOURCE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE LAUNCH IS OCTOBER 7TH, WHICH IS HOLY COW.
UH, REALLY SOON
SO IF, IF YOU GUYS WANNA STOP BY AND TAKE A PHOTO WITH US, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA PUT YOU ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.
UM, AND THEN OUR, THIS ENTIRE PROGRAM, WE LIKE TO PUT IT UNDERNEATH A BRAND BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A BRAND, THEN PEOPLE CAN RECOGNIZE IT AND, AND THAT KIND OF HELPS STEER PEOPLE TO IT.
AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THIS, UM, LOGO OR BRAND CALLED THE RIPPLE EFFECT.
AND WE THINK THAT THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON'S ACTION CAN HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT ON WATER FOR THE AREA.
WE'VE GOT A, A BASIC LOGO AND THEN A BIGGER LOGO THAT HAS A SLOGAN BUILT INTO IT.
LET'S ALL DO OUR PART TO SAVE WATER.
UM, AND WE CAME UP, OH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION.
SO, UM, WE CAME UP WITH, WITH THIS LOGO TOGETHER, SO, UM, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY STAFF, UM, AND SOME FOLKS FROM THE COUNTY AS WELL TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WE FELT LIKE WAS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY SO PEOPLE COULD IDENTIFY WITH IT AND KIND OF PUSH THE RIGHT MESSAGE ALONG.
UM, ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING THAT I WANNA MESSAGE ALSO, I'M HORRIBLY EMBARRASSED BY THIS TYPO, UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LINCOLN INSTITUTE'S GROWING WATER SMART WORKSHOP IN 2024, NOT 2023.
UM, THAT'S JANUARY 22ND TO THE 24TH.
AND SO I'M WORKING WITH YOUR SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, UM, APPLICATION IS FINE TUNED, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY WORKING WITH THE INSTITUTE TO, UM, FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WATER RESOURCES, UM, AND MAKING, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THE RIGHT RESOURCES TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S A REALLY EXCITING THING THAT, UM, A LOT OF APPLICANTS APPLY AND, AND
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ONLY A FEW PEOPLE GET SELECTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.SO THAT'S A REALLY EXCITING THING FOR US TO BE A PART OF.
UM, ALSO, I MADE A NOTE OF THIS AND THEN COMPLETELY SKIPPED OVER IT, BUT, UM, UH, TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT G P C D, SO WHEN WE DID OUR, UM, COMPREHENSIVE WATER USE ANALYSIS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO DO.
'CAUSE IT'S A QUESTION THAT COMES UP A LOT IN CONSERVATION, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, AN ORGANIZATION DID, IT'S CALLED AMWA, ARIZONA MUNICIPAL WATER USES ASSOCIATION DID A STATEWIDE STUDY IN 2019 THAT BASICALLY LOOKED AT WHAT IS THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE FOR ONE PERSON TO USE IN ONE DAY SO THAT CONSERVATION CAN HAVE A METRIC.
THEY DETERMINE THAT THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 120 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY.
UM, KEEP IN MIND IT'S STATEWIDE.
SO YOU'VE GOT SOME AREAS THAT HAVE HALF AN ACRE OF, YOU KNOW, FENCE DEFENSE LAWN, AND THEN OTHER AREAS THAT, UM, HAVE ALL DESERT LANDSCAPING.
UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT SEDONA, WE CAME UP WITH A RANGE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME POPULATION ISSUES.
UM, AND THE RANGE THAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS, UH, 127 TO ABOUT 155.
UM, I, I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME SETTLING WITH ONE NUMBER ONLY BECAUSE, UM, OUR SERVICE AREA IS NOT ENTIRELY THE CITY OF SEDONA.
WE SERVE SOME AREAS OUTSIDE AND, UM, CONSERVATION IS CONSTANTLY CRITIQUED AGAINST A NUMBER.
AND SO I THINK THAT CONSERVATION COULD BE CRITIQUED IN A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND SO, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF THE RANGE THAT WE SETTLED ON, BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S, THERE'S SO MANY NUANCES AS TO WHY IT'S A RANGE.
SO I, I HESITATE TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
UM, BUT I DID WANNA BRING IT UP SINCE IT, IT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME.
IF THERE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
HOLLY, GO, GO AHEAD AND MAKE A COMMENT.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT I HAD A VERY HIGH WATER BILL ONE MONTH, AND I MEAN REALLY HIGH.
SO I CONTACTED ARIZONA WATER AND YOU GUYS SENT OUT SOMEBODY WHO DID, YOU KNOW, WHO WALKED, WHO WALKED, UH, OUR ENTIRE PROPERTY AND FOUND THE LEAKS THAT WERE OCCURRING THAT WERE CAUSING THE WATER BILL TO BE AS HIGH AS, AS IT WAS THAT MONTH.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE PERSON CAME OUT VERY QUICKLY LIKE THE NEXT DAY, AND IT WAS A NO CHARGE TO, TO ME, WHICH IS, UH, A SERVICE THAT YOU OFFER THAT I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
YES, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
UM, HOLLY, SO THAT'S, THAT COMES UNDER ONE OF THE BMPS, ONE OF THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE TARIFFS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO, UM, TO PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, I CAN'T TAKE ANY CREDIT FOR THAT.
THAT'S ALL JOHN AND, AND HIS TEAM.
UM, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY JUST THINKING OF THE COMMUNITY FIRST AND DOING WHAT'S BEST.
SO, UM, AND THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF RESOURCES THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF, UM, IS AVAILABLE TO THEM.
AND WE CAN PROMOTE THAT THROUGH THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
IT, IT'S REALLY CONSERVATION WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF I DIDN'T, HADN'T PLUGGED UP THE LEAKAGE, I JUST WOULD BE CONTINUING, UH, TO USE UP WATER PAY FOR IT, BUT FOR NO REASON.
AND, UH, AND IT WORKED GREAT FOR BOTH OF US BECAUSE YOU CONSERVED WATER AND REDUCED MY BILL
UH, HOLLY, ARE YOU DONE? I AM.
KATHY, IS THAT SERVICE AVAILABLE THAT'S TO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS? IS THAT ALSO AVAILABLE TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND IS THAT ALSO AVAILABLE TO HOAS? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LAUNCHING WITH.
UM, WE, WE, WE ANSWERED ALL THREE, UM, DAILY OR WEEKLY OR A MONTHLY.
WE WORKED, UH, FEVERISHLY WITH LACE SPRINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT SUBDIVISION, BUT THEY, THEY HAD, THEY HAD A PRETTY BIG PROBLEM ON THEIR INTERNAL SYSTEM FOR QUITE A WHILE.
WE ACTUALLY SENT PERSONNEL IN THERE WITH LEAK DETECTION EQUIPMENT AND HELPED THEM FIND THE WORST OF THEIR LEAKS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY HEAR.
I'D LOVE TO HAVE, I'LL HAVE AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT AN H O A THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT IS HAVING A LOT OF LEAKAGE ISSUES AND HAS BEEN UNABLE TO GET, UM, ASSISTANCE IN TRYING TO LOCATE THEM.
SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO CONNECT WITH YOU.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK DISTINCTION.
SO, UM, WE DO HAVE A HIGH WATER USE RESOLUTION, YOU KNOW, TARIFF THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO, TO, UM, UPHOLD.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT JOHN'S TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF AN H O A CALLED UP, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO GO AND TRY AND HELP THEM RESOLVE THAT.
UM, BUT WE'RE LAUNCHING SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE AND A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE.
UM, SO INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL AN H O A CALLS AND IS LIKE, OH NO, I HAVE THIS HUGE ISSUE TRYING TO DO OUTREACH AND GET AHEAD OF THE PROGRAM OR THE PROBLEM.
UM, AND YES, COUNCIL MEMBER, WE CAN CONNECT ABOUT THAT.
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JUST ONE MORE FOLLOW UP TO THAT.DOES THE FACT THAT HOAS ARE ON MULTIPLE WATER METERS, BUT SERVING DIFFERENT AREAS, SO IT'S NOT AS SPECIFIC AS IS TO AS USUAL HOUSE, DOES THAT PRESENT A PARTICULAR CHALLENGE? SO ANYTHING, ANYTHING DOWNSTREAM OF A METER IS SUBJECT TO SOME SORT OF INVESTIGATION MM-HMM.
SO IT, IT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT'S SERVING, WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT IT'S SERVING MOSTLY BY THE CUSTOMER'S INFORMATION.
BUT WE HAVE THAT, THE INFORMATION ON THE METER TO GO BY TO LET US KNOW IF IT'S HIGH LOW RUNNING OR NOT RUNNING.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE ALSO, WE ALSO GEOCODE ALL THE ACCOUNTS SO WE KNOW WHERE ALL THE METERS ARE RELATIVE TO THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
YEAH, AND I'M EXCITED TO SAY, UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALREADY STARTING TO DO THOSE, UM, TYPES OF AUDITS, UH, IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
SO I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD IN, UH, FOR JOHN, I THINK I SHARED THIS WITH YOU ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO.
YOUR PERSONNEL THAT ARE GOING AROUND CHECKING METERS AND AND CHECKING EQUIPMENT ARE JUST GREAT.
THEY GIVE GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE.
IT WAS UNDER A BAG LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER TIME, HAD, I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CHECKING IT DURING THAT PARTICULAR TIME OF THE YEAR, THE, UH, ONE OF YOUR TECHNICIANS SAW IT JUST DRIPPING.
I MEAN, IT REALLY WASN'T EVIDENT.
AND HE CAME AND KNOCKED ON MY DOOR AND HE SAID, YOU HAVE A WATER LEAK.
AND WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I SAID, HOW DID YOU EVEN SEE THAT? HE SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE LOOK FOR.
THEN THE, YOU HAVE ONE, ONE GUY FIXING WATER PIPE ON THE ROAD, UH, LEAKS.
UH, HE GOES AROUND WHERE THERE, THERE'S WATER LEAKS IN THE, IN THE MAINS.
AND I SEE ONE GUY START IN, IN THE MORNING BY 12 O'CLOCK, HE'S DONE CUTTING UP THE ROAD, DOING A JOB, PUTTING A PATCH DOWN BY HIMSELF.
MAY MAYBE HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BY HIMSELF, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
BUT EVERY TIME I'VE ENCOUNTERED ONE OF YOUR STAFF, HE GOT IN TROUBLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THEN.
I DON'T, I, BUT IT'S JUST THE POINT BEING IS JUST YOUR STAFF IS REALLY THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC OUT IN THE STREET AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, UH, BRIAN? OH, PETE WAS NEXT.
UM, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED ON THE CONSERVATION PROGRAMMING.
I ACTUALLY WANT TO TURN MY DIRECTION TO STAFF AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO FROM A CONSERVATION PROGRAMMING STANDPOINT? UM, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING ABOUT ANALOGIES AND WE HAVE PUT A SUNSET IN PLACE ON, UH, NON DARK SKIES COMPLIANT LIGHTING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE WE GONNA PUT SOME POLICY TOGETHER? ACTUALLY, I MAY BE LOOKING AT MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT THIS.
WHEN ARE WE GONNA PUT SOME POLICY TOGETHER FOR CONSIDERING SUCH THINGS AS ELIMINATING LAWN AND GRASS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S UTTERLY NON-NATIVE AND USING UP A LOT OF WATER UNNECESSARILY.
I THINK WOULDN'T THAT BE PART OF AN L D C REVISION? YEAH.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS AND DURING THE COUNCIL PRIORITY SET SETTING SESSION WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF OUR SORT OF NEWER POLICY GOALS.
SO NOT JUST THINGS LIKE WATER CONSERVATION, BUT SUSTAINABILITY IN A MUCH LARGER SCALE.
SO THAT WILL ENCOMPASS MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.
HOW DOES THAT RECONCILE WITH OUR GOALS RELATED TO HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OUR ZONING REGULATIONS.
UM, EVEN THINGS LIKE TOURISM WILL LIKELY HAVE MAYBE SOME POLICY IMPLICATIONS, GROWTH IMPLICATIONS.
SO THE, SO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU WILL NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT FROM A REGULATORY AND A POLICY PERSPECTIVE ARE COMPLEX AND, AND NEED TO REALLY BE LOOKED AT COMPREHENSIVELY AND HOLISTICALLY SO THAT WE DON'T MAKE A KNEE JERK CHANGE HERE THAT HAS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IN OTHER AREAS, WHICH IS WHY WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO REALLY BRING IN SOME ASSISTANCE.
I'M NOT TO, TO LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND ALL OF THOSE GOALS AND COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND THINGS THAT WE CAN GET INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON AND BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AND HAVE DISCUSSION.
THIS IS A PRETTY BIG UNDERTAKING WITH THIS BEING A PIECE OF IT.
SO WE HAD AGREED THAT AT THIS POINT, SINCE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WOULD REALLY BE THE LEAD ON THAT KIND OF THING, UM, THAT WE REALLY JUST DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO, TO DO THAT UNTIL A COUPLE OF THINGS HAPPEN.
WE'VE GOT A COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE THAT WILL LIKELY
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'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA SET THE BIG POLICY GOALS THAT WILL INFORM SOME OF THOSE OTHER DECISIONS, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, THE R E P IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH IS SUPER STAFF INTENSIVE.SO WE WERE ESTIMATING THAT THAT IS PROBABLY AT LEAST A YEAR OUT BEFORE WE WOULD EVEN START SUCH A CONVERSATION, THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE MORE IMMEDIATE MM-HMM.
WE COULD CERTAINLY ADDRESS THOSE AS WE DO WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, EVERY SIX MONTH MAKING TWEAKS.
BUT, BUT I REALLY DO THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS BIG PICTURE.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME WITH MY AMNESIA ON THIS TOPIC.
OKAY, BEFORE I GO TO THIS SIDE, I'D LIKE TO ADD A QUICK QUESTION THAT I'VE ALWAYS HAD A PROBLEM WITH WATER USAGE AND YET NOBODY CAN GIVE ME A REAL GOOD ANSWER.
WHAT COULD BE DONE EXCEPT LEGISLATION WISE, WE CAN'T, UH, RESTAURANTS GIVING, UH, GLASS OF WATER AT EVERY TABLE WHEN YOU, WHETHER YOU ASK FOR IT OR NOT.
CAN WE SOMEHOW ALONG THE LINE, UH, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH OUR PLANS OR YOUR OWN, UH, PLANS, ENCOURAGE RESTAURANTS NOT TO PROVIDE, UH, WATER UNLESS IT'S ASKED FOR, IS THAT ANYWHERE ON YOUR RADAR AT ALL, AT ALL? I SHOULD SAY
SO I WOULD SAY THAT IDEAS LIKE THAT ARE THE EXACT REASON WHY THIS IS AN INTEGRATED PROGRAM.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I I PROBABLY WOULD NOT THINK OF THAT ON MY OWN, BUT I DRINK THE GLASS OF WATER EVERY TIME.
UM, BUT I, I CAN, I CAN THINK OF A FEW WAYS WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, AN IDEA WOULD BE MAYBE COMING UP WITH A SUSTAINABLE RESTAURANT PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE A CHECKLIST WHERE IF A RESTAURANT IMPLEMENTS THESE POLICIES, WE GIVE 'EM A STICKER OR A YARD SIGN OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS, THIS RESTAURANT HAS BEEN VERIFIED THROUGH THE RIPPLE EFFECT PROGRAM TO BE SUSTAINABLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND, UM, KIND OF, KIND OF TO YOUR POINT COUNCIL MEMBER EARLIER, THAT VOLUNTARY CONSERVATION IS A LOT EASIER TO GET PEOPLE TO DO AT THIS STAGE RIGHT.
THAN, UM, THAN, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING CERTAIN THINGS, UM, ESPECIALLY IN SEDONA.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I WILL WRITE THAT IDEA DOWN BECAUSE THAT IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND I COULD SEE US IMPLEMENTING THAT AT, AT SOME POINT AND HELPING RESTAURANTS AND OTHER, UM, ENTITIES, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM, GIVE THEMSELVES A, A PAT ON THE BACK FOR BEING WATER CONSERVATION ORIENTED.
I, I COULD EVEN SEE US DOING LIKE A VIDEO WHERE WE COULD HAVE YOU SAYING SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO EVEN ASK FOR A WATER WHEN YOU NEED A GLASS OF WATER.
YOU WOULD SIT DOWN, JUST SIT DOWN AND EAT YOUR MEAL, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SAY, NO THANK YOU, I DON'T WANT THAT GLASS OF WATER.
WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A LITTLE VIDEO THAT WE THEN PUSH OUT TO OUR, JUST WHERE I LOOK FOR MORE VIDEOS.
WELL, WE CAN LET SOMEBODY ELSE DO THE VIDEO IF YOU WOULD LIKE
I KNOW I DID GOOD ON THAT ONE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE CAN MAKE YOU LOOK REALLY COOL.
UH, JESSICA, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REFRESH THE MEMORY OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL PEOPLE ON DOG PARK, WHERE FAIRLY RECENTLY I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP.
WHERE FAIRLY RECENTLY WE HAD A DISCUSSION OF WHETHER GRASS SHOULD BE PUT IN THE DOG PARK OR NOT.
I RECALL BEING THE ONLY PERSON AGAINST IT.
NO, NOW, WELL, THERE PERSON WHO VOTED AGAINST IT AT THE TIME.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THESE THINGS, AND I TAKE VERY CAREFULLY WHAT WHAT YOU SAID, WHICH IS BEING OVERLY AGGRESSIVE IN TERMS OF REGULATING AND LEGISLATING SUSTAINABILITY AND CONSERVATION IS OFTEN NOT A VERY GOOD IDEA.
AND USUALLY RESULTS IN A TREMENDOUS BACKLASH AND A, A GROWTH AND OPPOSITION LIKE THE LIGHT BULBS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I REALLY THINK THAT KAREN'S HOLISTIC AND INTEGRATED AND WE ALSO END UP WITH, AS WE DID WITH THE DOG, PART OF CONFLICTING GOALS OF PEOPLE WANT GRASS, WE DON'T WANT GRASS AND WE, IT'S A POLITICAL ISSUE, BUT WE HAVE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THOSE CONFLICTS IN TERMS OF GOALS.
SO I THINK THAT THAT, THAT THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE TODAY, I REALLY WELCOME THE, THE, THE STEP FORWARD OF THIS PROGRAM.
UM, I'M STILL, I STILL WANNA KNOW, AND I'M SURE SOMEDAY I WILL PROBABLY NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IS THERE HYDROLOGY OR NOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT, UM, IN THAT.
SO ANYWAY, I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTIES IN, IN, IN DETERMINING THAT AND THE FACT THAT SEDONA ISN'T THE ONLY USER OF THAT WATER.
SO I, I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO A, TO A
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CONVERSATION ABOUT AN INTEGRATED LOOK AT AT LAND USE.I'M ALSO NOT SURE THAT IT ISN'T, THE STATE LEGISLATURE HASN'T BANNED IT AT ONE POINT.
I KNOW THEY, THE, THEY GOT, THE BUILDERS GOT TOGETHER AND GOT SOMETHING PASSED THAT SAID CITIES COULDN'T LEGISLATE LANDSCAPING.
SO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHANGING OUR L D C.
OKAY, KATHY? UM, I THINK THAT IT'S RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THAT THERE ARE CONFLICTS THAT WE NEED TO BALANCE SOMETIMES, UM, WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND PROPOSALS AND WHAT THEIR IMPACT WILL BE.
I JUST DON'T WANT, UM, I JUST WANNA ADD MORE CONTEXT THOUGH TO WHAT WAS SAID THAT THE, THE DOG PARK, UM, VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN WAS CONTINGENT ON THERE BEING A NET DECREASE IN RECREATIONAL WATER USE AFTER OTHER PROGRAMS WERE IMPLEMENTED, SUCH AS THE PICKLEBALL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR THE FULL CONTEXT OF WHAT THAT WAS.
IT WASN'T JUST A, A VOTE WITHOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION OR THERE BEING SOME SORT OF A, A BALANCING PART TO THAT.
UM, I WANTED TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, THESE ARE ALWAYS VERY INVOLVED.
AS MY COLLEAGUE DOWN THE END THERE SAID A DEEP DIVE.
UM, I FEEL LIKE I'VE JUST BEEN IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS GETTING MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND WATER ISSUES IN A DIFFERENT WAY JUST BY HAVING GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS, YOURS, UH, TODAY AND THE OTHER ONE THAT YOU DID PREVIOUSLY.
AND ANOTHER ONE THAT I DID DOWN AT A S U IT'S COMPLICATED.
IT'S COMPLICATED AND THE HYDROLOGY IS, BUT WHAT IS VALUE SO VALUABLE IS THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP TO GET THERE TOGETHER.
SO I THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC TO SITUATIONS I KNOW.
SO I DON'T WANNA BOG DOWN THE DAUS UP HERE.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO GRAB YOU AFTER AND, AND GET A COUPLE OF THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, JUST MY THANKS TO YOU PETE.
I, I DO HAVE TWO QUESTIONS LEFT.
I WANT TOPICS I WANNA PUT ON THE TABLE.
ONE I THINK GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATION.
I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA WAS STARTING ON ABOUT THE H O A METERS AND THE MULTI MM-HMM.
I KNOW THE MAYOR AND JESSICA ARE PROBABLY GOING, OH MY GOD, DON'T TALK ABOUT METERS
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT METERS AND WHETHER THERE'S METERS IN LOCATIONS AND MULTI USERS OF THAT METER, AND THAT SEEMED TO HAVE GOTTEN IN THE WAY OF SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST ABOUT WATER, UH, STORM WATER OR WASTEWATER PRICING BECAUSE WE CAN'T EXACTLY KNOW HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE USING BECAUSE THESE METERS ARE STRANGE.
AND SO I'M TRYING TO, AM I CORRECT, IS THERE AN APPETITE MOVING FORWARD, IF THAT IS CORRECT, OF FIXING THIS MEASUREMENT PROBLEM AND GETTING MORE METERS OUT THERE IN PLACES SO WE CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHO'S USING AND TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON, ON OUR END AS FAR AS, UM, YEAH.
SO IS THERE COMMERCIAL USES HOAS? I THINK IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN AROUND SEDONA THERE ARE PLACES WHERE WE HAVE MAYBE A, A MASTER METER, BUT THEN MANY TENANTS ARE USING IT AND THEY ALL KIND OF FIGHT AND SQUABBLE ABOUT YOU CAN'T RAISE RATES HERE BECAUSE I USE A SMALL AMOUNT.
YOU USE A BIGGER AMOUNT AND THERE'S NO WAY OF ADJUDICATING THAT.
WELL, MY, MY ANS MY SHORT ANSWER WOULD BE IS ONCE IT GOES THROUGH THE METER, THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER.
UM, BECAUSE I DON'T, I, I WOULD SAY THAT WE PROVIDE NUMBERS BUT ISN'T SUB-METERING A PROBLEM IS, IS IT TRUE THAT THERE'S COMMERCIAL LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S JUST A METER, THERE'S MULTIPLE USERS OF THAT WATER THAT NOW, AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO'S USING IT.
WE DO HAVE HOAS THAT HAVE MASTER METERS WITH MULTIPLE USERS DOWNSTREAM, JUST HOAS NOT SO MUCH IN COMMERCIAL HOW THEY MANAGE THEIR, THEIR H O A DOWNSTREAM OF OUR WATER METERS UP TO THAT.
UM, WE, ONCE IT GOES THROUGH THE METER, WE, WE DON'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO WITH IT INTERNALLY.
UM, LAY SPRINGS, JUST TO GO BACK TO THAT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH AND IN ON THEIR OWN OUTSIDE OF ANY OF OUR RULES OR REGULATIONS, INSTALLED METERS ON EACH OF THEIR HOUSES BECAUSE THEIR HOUSES WERE NOT LIVED IN ALL YEAR AND THEY WOULD HAVE TOILETS RUNNING IN THESE HOUSES, WHICH WOULD DRIVE UP THE BILL FOR THE H O A.
AND THAT, AND THAT WAS THAT, BUT THAT WAS ON THEIR OWN.
THAT THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE HAD AN ANY KIND OF APPETITE FOR.
WELL CLEARLY I, I NEED TO CONTINUE TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND THIS PAST PROBLEM AND AS WE GRAPPLE WITH USE RATES IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.
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MEMBERS CAN HELP EDUCATE ME AS WELL.MY SECOND QUESTION MAYBE IS A REQUEST, AGAIN, I'M, IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO THE TERM, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND WE, SOME TIME AGO, ROXANNE WORKING WITH YOUR DATA KIND OF TRIED TO DO A ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE AND IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE SHORT TERM RENTALS USED MUCH MORE WATER THAN THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WATER USE.
YOU WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE INSIGHT INTO THAT INFORMATION.
AND KIND OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ASKED BEFORE ARE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS USE CHARACTERISTICALLY MORE OR LESS WATER THAN A HOTEL STAY AND THEN MORE OR LESS THAN A RESIDENTIAL USE MIGHT USE.
OUR CHALLENGE IS KNOWING WHAT'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND WHAT'S NOT.
WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT OTHER, OTHER THAN PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND MAKE IT KNOWN TO US LIKE, YEP, MY BILL'S HIGH OR LOW OR I NEED TO CHANGE IT OVER.
BUT I DON'T LIVE THERE BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A VACATION RENTAL.
THERE, THERE MIGHT BE A HANDFUL OF THOSE THAT WE RECOGNIZE JUST BECAUSE THEY COME IN THE OFFICE.
BUT OVERALL, ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE CITY, WE, WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT PEOPLE ARE RENTING OUT THEIR GARAGE OR, OR A TRAILER IN THEIR BACKYARD OR, OR, OR A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, TO POINT FINGERS AT INDIVIDUALS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A JOINT WORK EFFORT HERE THAT COULD JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION AND POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM A HANDFUL OF SDRS AND COMPARE THOSE TO RESI REGULAR RESIDENTIAL USE AND, AND SOME LODGING USE.
AND JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR US TO SHORT TERM RENTAL FOLKS USE MORE OR LESS OR EQUAL WATER WOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING ANSWER FOR US TO HAVE.
AND IF, AND IF YOU ALL PERMIT THOSE, DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THOSE HOUSES ARE? YES, WE CAN, YES, WE CAN TOSS THEM INTO OUR G I S AND WE CAN DO A COMPARISON AND TELL YOU THAT ANSWER AT THAT HIGH LEVEL.
AND I THINK IT'S NOVEMBER THAT ALL THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE PUBLIC RECORD NOVEMBER OR OCTOBER.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL PUBLIC RECORD NOW, RIGHT.
AND I WOULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY COORDINATE WITH YOU.
WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION, YOU CAN DO THAT ANALYSIS.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE WOULD USE IT FOR OTHER THAN IF WE DID SEE THAT IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.
WE DO HAVE PROPERTY MANAGER CONTACTS, YOU KNOW, SO TO, TO, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATE INTO THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
WE DO KNOW FROM WASTEWATER THAT, THAT WE DID NOT SEE AN INCREASE.
UM, IN FACT, AS MORE AND MORE ST R PROLIFERATED, WE, THERE WERE NO IMPACTS, UM, ON WASTEWATER.
WELL, AND WE, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT HIGH LEVEL IS, IS THE RIGHT TERM BECAUSE, UM, ON OUR END, AT SOME POINT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UM, LEGAL DIFFERENCES THERE ON WHAT WE CAN, WHAT INFORMATION WE CAN PROVIDE FOR INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMERS.
SO I, I, I THINK AT, AT THE HIGHER LEVEL, AT A HIGH LEVEL.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT SORT OF POINTS TOWARDS WHAT, WHAT KAREN IS SAYING IS THAT THE TOTAL DEMAND HAS REALLY BEEN FLAT.
SO IF WE WERE SEEING AN INCREASE AS THE DISPROPORTIONATE INCREASE IN THE EXISTING CUSTOMER BASE, WE WOULD BE SEEING SOME EVIDENCE OF THAT IN THE WATER USE.
BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT SORT OF USE HAS SHIFTED BECAUSE WE HAVE LESS FULL-TIME RENTERS AND MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND SO LOTS OF VARIABLES IN THIS EQUATION AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
WE DID GET SOME GOOD, I THINK A GOOD DIRECTION LOOKING AT OUR WASTEWATER DATA, BUT THIS IS MORE DIRECT DATA.
WE COULD REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION WITHOUT HAVING TO GUESS.
I JUST WANTED TO END BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL MANTRA IS REDUCE, REUSE AND RECYCLE.
AND SO EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED TODAY IS GOING DOWN THAT PATH.
REDUCE IS THE PROGRAM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE END HERE TO TRY AND SAVE WATER.
USE, REUSE IS THE POTENTIAL IDEA OF US USE, GET SOME BENEFICIAL USE OF OUR, OUR TREATED WASTEWATER.
WE ALSO DO BY SHOVING THE TREATED STUFF BACK IN THE GROUND.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS ON ALL THREE HORNS HERE.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
MY QUESTION IS, YOU STILL HAVE MORE SLIDES.
DID YOU ACTUALLY WANNA PRESENT THOSE SLIDES? WELL, WE ARE OPEN TO WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO.
WE'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH YOU BRINGING THINGS TO A CLOSE.
I THINK THIS IS AN AMAZING CLOSE.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR ENERGY, UNLESS KAREN, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE US TO ADD.
UM, NO, AND, AND THIS WILL NOT BE THE LAST TIME WE TALK ABOUT THIS, UM, AS THE WORK CONTINUES.
AND WE DO THE FORECASTING AND THERE WILL BE, I THINK A ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, TO DELIVER THAT AND DISCUSS IT, UM, IN THE COMING MONTHS.
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PROLONG THIS, THIS, I'LL JUST EXPLAIN TO PETE WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUE WAS WHEN WE DISCUSSED OKAY.THE WATER RATES AND THE ISSUE WITH METERING.
UH, LATER YOU CAN, YOU TWO CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, HOLLY, I DON'T WANNA FORGET YOU.
I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING WITH US TODAY AND ESPECIALLY TO JEFF FOR MAKING THE MOST COMPLICATED OF ISSUES.
AND, UH, I FINALLY UNDERSTAND NOW IT'S THE SUB FLOW.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE.
SO I THINK YOU LAID IT OUT EXTREMELY WELL AND YOU WALKED US THROUGH IT SO THAT WE COULD ALL UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE IT.
AND I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TIME, WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND WE CAN MITIGATE THESE RISKS.
AND WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO USING OUR EFFLUENT AS A PART OF THE RISK MITIGATION.
OKAY, ANY FINAL COMMENTS? I THINK WE'VE, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU AS WELL.
UM, THESE ARE REALLY COMPLICATED TOPICS AND I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT, BUT IT IS A TOPIC THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS CERTAINLY AWARE OF AND I THINK MANY, MANY PEOPLE ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THE HYDROLOGY, TO DO THE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY AS OUTREACH, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE CONSTANTLY DOING WHEN YOU STOP BY AND SAY, HEY, YOUR WATER METER'S RUNNING QUICKLY TO DO THIS OUTREACH PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE PUTTING TOGETHER.
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE, UM, EXTREMELY APPRECIATED, CERTAINLY BY, UM, MYSELF.
AND, UH, IT'S PROBABLY SOMETIMES HARD TO KNOW ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I SUSPECT THAT COMMUNITY AS WELL.
UM, THANK YOU AGAIN AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WE HAVE ITEM EIGHT B DISCUSSION, UH, POSSIBLE ACTION, UH, REGARDING FUTURE MEETINGS AND AGENDAS TO REMIND EVERYBODY.
WE HAVE A 10 O'CLOCK MEETING TOMORROW MORNING.
THIS WILL BE, IT WAS CHANGED TO HERE.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO ADDRESS DUE TO, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS AND AGENDAS? NO.
HEARING NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.