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GO ON HERE.[Historic Preservation Commission on October 9, 2023. ]
GET GOING.I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THIS, UH, MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 9TH, 2023 AND FOUR 10 IN THE AFTERNOON.
AT ANY RATE, UM, LET'S, UH, HAVE THE PLEDGE, PLEASE.
PLEDGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO REPUBLIC STANDS.
ONE NATION SHOULD INDIVISIBLE, WHETHER JUSTICE OR ALL.
UM, AND DO YOU WANNA DO ROLL CALL DONNA, PLEASE? CHAIR UNGER.
PRESENT VICE CHAIR MEYERS PRESENT.
AND COMMISSIONER FEENEY IS EXCUSED.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, LET ME, LET ME GET THIS RIGHT, UM, MY PAPERWORK ALL HERE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MI MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2023? HEARING NO CORRECTIONS? THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
UH, WE SKIPPED OVER, UH, BULLET 0.2 ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, STEVE, FROM YOU AT ALL? I HAVE ONE.
WE CAN DO IT CONCURRENTLY IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER.
BUT, UM, YOU WANT ME TO START? SURE.
UH, STEVE AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A, UM, UH, WORK GROUP THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY THE CITY MANAGER ON, UM, THE RANGER STATION, UM, THAT IS TASKED WITH, UH, INCORPORATING HISTORY AND ART INTO, UH, THE DESIGN OF THE PARK.
UM, IT'LL BE SOMETHING OF A PHASED APPROACH SINCE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE WORK IS ALREADY UNDERWAY.
UH, BUT WHAT THIS, UH, WORK GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING ON IS, UM, INTERPRETIVE, UM, KIOSKS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT STORIES ARE WE GONNA TELL? HOW ARE WE GONNA DO IT? UM, UH, WHAT'S THE CONTENT GONNA BE? UH, HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THE STORIES OF THE RANGERS INTO IT? UM, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, WE'VE ALSO TAKEN A LOOK AT SOME OF THE HARDSCAPE, UH, ELEMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BENCHES AND, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF TO, UH, ENSURE THAT IT FITS WITH THE CONTEXT OF THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDINGS THERE AND DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THOSE.
UM, SO WE'VE MET TWO OR THREE TIMES, UM, UH, THREE TIMES.
AND, UH, YEAH, PRETTY MUCH YOU SAID, SAID ALL OF IT.
WHERE, AND IT'S ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE PARK.
UM, THE INTERIORS OF THE PARK WILL BE A PHASE TWO, IF YOU WILL.
UH, ALTHOUGH THE ARCHITECT HAS ISSUED HIS FIRST RENDERING ON THAT, AND, UH, PUT IT OUT TO STAFF.
UM, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO PUT ON, UH, A NEXT AGENDA IS TO MAYBE GET AN UPDATE ON THAT PART OF IT.
UM, BUT THIS WORK GROUP, UM, WE HAVE, UH, LINDA GOLDSTEIN, UH, NATE, UM, UH, AL CARMELO, NANCY LATTANZI.
OUR, UH, AND, UH, STEVE DOES A, A HECK OF A JOB CORRALLING THE, WHAT HE LIKES TO CALL THE CREATIVES IN THE ROOM WHERE WE'RE JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS AND HE IS LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS GREAT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE WORKING ON SPECIFICS, COMING UP WITH MAYBE BENCH DESIGNS AND, AND SHADE STRUCTURES AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE THE WORK GROUP HAS IN MIND.
WE'VE JUST NOW KIND OF SET THE, UH, THE GROUNDWORK FOR WHAT THE THEME IS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STORY IS THAT WE'RE GONNA TELL, AND NOW IT'S HOW DO WE DO IT WITH WHAT AND WHERE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE EXTERIOR PORTION OF THE PARK.
SO THE OTHER PART THAT IF YOU'D LIKE, THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK FOR AN UPDATE FROM PUBLIC WORKS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE INTERIOR
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OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, AND ANY NEW RENDERINGS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE RECEIVED FROM, UH, THE ARCHITECT.UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED TO, UM, UPDATE US ON, STEVE? UM, NO.
THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOU ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING OUT THERE AND, AND WHERE WE WERE IN THE PROCESS, SO, GREAT.
UH, SO I, DO WE NEED TO, DONNA, DO WE NEED TO REDO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OR, WE'VE ALREADY ACTUALLY DONE THAT, SO WE'RE OKAY.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME ON THE
DISCUSS REGARDING THE PRO, THE PROCESS FOR THE HISTORIC RESOURCE RECOGNITION PROGRAM CHAIR.
WE DID SKIP NUMBER FOUR AGAIN.
THE, THE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM, THERE IS NO ONE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC FORUM.
WE JUST NEED TO OFFICIALLY OPEN AND CLOSE IT.
WE'RE OFFICIALLY OPENING IT, THE PUBLIC FORUM, GIVEN THERE'S SOMEONE, NO ONE HERE, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THAT, THAT PORTION OF THE PUBLIC FORUM, UM, NUMBER FOUR ON THE AGENDA.
SO WE'RE GOING ON TO NUMBER FIVE, A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PROCESS OF HISTORIC RESOURCE RECOGNITION PROGRAM.
DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE OF THAT, STEVE, THAT YOU WANTED TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION OR HOW I'M, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW WE NEED TO PROCEED HERE.
SO AT OUR LAST MEETING, IT WAS ASKED THAT WE DISCUSSED THE PROCEDURE FOR THIS PROGRAM, SINCE IT IS NO LONGER IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, UM, GIVEN YOU, UH, THIS DOCUMENT, UH, WHICH, UH, WAS PREVIOUSLY USED IN DETERMINING, UH, THE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY THE PROCESS, BUT THE STANDARDS BY WHICH YOU COULD ISSUE THAT SORT OF RECOGNITION AWARD.
THE PROCESS IS BASICALLY, UM, HERE
ONE OF YOU WOULD IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL, UH, IS WORTHY OF THIS RECOGNITION, AND YOU CAN DISCUSS THAT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE ACTION ON THAT.
AND THEN IF THAT WERE THE CASE, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, YOU'D WANT TO, UM, NOT UNLIKE, UH, THE LANDMARKING PROCESS, YOU'D STILL WANT TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ENGAGED, BUT THERE IS NO FORMAL PROCESS.
THERE IS NO, UH, NOTIFYING NEIGHBORS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S NO APPLICATION, THERE'S NO, SO IT'S JUST YOU, THE COMMISSION SAYING, WE'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THIS PROPERTY OR, OR THIS STRUCTURE.
UM, AND, AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT WOULD BE OF COURSE, THE PLAQUE.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH.
GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT'S NO LONGER IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, DOES THAT, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IT? I ONLY THINK THAT CORRECT.
SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO IT? IN MY MIND, WHATEVER WE DO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A REASON FOR IT.
AND WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE NOW THE NEIGHBOR SAYS, A WHAT ABOUT ME? OR SOMEONE SAYS, WHY THEM? OR, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THESE, UH, STANDARDS BY WHICH TO, UH, ISSUE THAT PROCLAMATION OR THAT AWARD.
BUT IT, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S STILL, IT, IT'S UNNECESSARY FOR IT TO BE, BE, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS, UM, WAS THAT, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IT SOMEWHERE ENCODED IN WHAT THE CITY DID.
SO, BUT WE DON'T IT, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY DO WHATEVER KIND OF THING THAT ANYBODY COULD ACTUALLY COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
AND IT'S GONNA BE, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT.
I, I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE IT WAS MADE ALMOST CLEAR TO US THAT WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO THEN BE ENCODED.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IT ISN'T NOW.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, ARE PEOPLE GONNA THINK THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT LEGITIMATE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF WHAT THE CITY IS DOING, IT'S JUST SORT OF FLOATING OUT THERE AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION, OR WE CAN NOT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY TRUE, BUT I, I, I JUST AM A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT ISN'T ENCODED OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL IS, UH, IS, IS AN ISSUE WITH YOU
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MM-HMM.UM, BUT THERE IS, THERE IS NO CODED PROCESS.
I HATE TO USE THAT WORD AGAIN, I'M REPEATING.
BUT, UM, TO DO SO, IT IS AN ALLOWANCE OF, IT'S A RECOGNITION THAT YOU, THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO GIVE TO SOMEBODY TO THAT IS, SO THE POWERS COME FROM BEING ENCODED WITH THE CITY, GIVEN TO THIS COMMISSION.
THIS COMMISSION CAN THEN MAKE A DECISION DECISION BASED UPON GUIDELINES.
DONNA, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I THINK WHAT STEVE PROVIDED YOU GIVES STANDARDS YEAH.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE COMMISSION, THEY'RE GUIDELINES.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE COMMISSIONER SAYING, LET'S DO THIS.
THE COMMISSION HAS TO VOTE ON IT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE CITY DOES THAT ACTUALLY IS NOT ENCODED, THAT IS SIMILAR TO THIS? I'M JUST, IT'S JUST SORT OF CURIOUS, BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT, THINK ABOUT STREET, STREET, UM, MAINTENANCE, THINK ABOUT SPEED AND LIMITS.
THINK ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE AS THINGS MOVE ALONG.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING'S ENCODED IN THE CITY.
UM, NOW IF YOU, IF YOU, I GUESS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS, IF WE THINK THINGS SHOULD BE FIRMED UP, THEN WE SHOULD ADD 'EM TO THIS PIECE, PIECE OF PAPER.
I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT THE COMMISSION WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DID NOT GET CONFUSED WITH THE OFFICIAL PROCESS FOR YOUR LANDMARKS.
AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T TO MEET THAT STANDARD AND, YOU KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED IN CODED WHEN IT WAS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE IT WAS BASICALLY SETTING.
I, I, I THINK IT, AND I, I'M ONLY BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE I THINK JACK WOULD BE BRINGING IT UP.
I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE WITH, IF THE CITY THINKS THAT IT, IT WORKS, THAT IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST HANDED TO US AND WE JUST, IT'S, IT, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR GUIDELINES.
IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE STRANGE.
'CAUSE I, IT, IN MY MEMORY, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO DO IN A TIMEFRAME BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO PUT IT IN, INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY ALL THE, ALL THE POINTS IN THAT.
'CAUSE IT WASN'T REALLY BEING LED BY ME.
IT WAS ACTUALLY BEING LED BY JACK.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, HE CAME UP WITH ALL THE STANDARDS.
HE FIGURED OUT WHAT WOULD NEED, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY.
AND THEN, THEN OF COURSE, WE VOTED ON IT AND WE DECIDED THAT THESE WERE THE ONES THAT, THAT NEEDED TO BE THERE.
WELL, I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALSO WHEN HPCS LANDMARK PROCEDURE DID NOT PARALLEL P AND Z.
SO NOW THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TOGETHER, THIS WOULD NOT FALL WITHIN THAT SAME, WELL, WITHIN THAT SAME STRUCTURE THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE DECIDED ON.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YEAH.
WITHIN THE L D C, UH, THERE ARE, UM, CODED REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LANDMARKING AND THAT PORTION OF THE L D C ALSO IDENTIFIES, UM, THE ALLOWANCES OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, SO I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, HOW IS IT THAT YOU CAN BE GIVEN THIS, UH, ALLOWED WITHOUT THERE BEING YEAH, I, I GUESS, AND, AND IT'S JUST ONLY BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH BEFORE SORT OF MADE THAT NECESSARY.
AND SO, IF IT'S NOT, I GUESS IT'S NOT.
BUT I, BUT I, MY, MY FEELING IS THAT NOT, NOT HAVING JACK HERE, WHO ACTUALLY WORKED SO HARD TO PUT THIS TOGETHER MM-HMM.
AND THAT IS, IS ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED BY THE CITY AND NOT LOST.
WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE, UM, HAVE JACK REVIEW WHAT THIS, AND AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF HE HAS ANYTHING HE WANTS TO ADD TO IT, HE CAN THEN THERE ARE CONCERNS, WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS AND AT THE NEXT MEETING HE CAN MAKE COMMENTS ON IT.
SO LET'S PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, LIKE I SAY, I, I LIKE TO STAND UP FOR EVERYBODY THAT SITS ON THE COMMISSION AND NOT HAVING HIM HERE AND KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT THIS WAS TO HIM.
IT WOULD BE GOOD IF HE WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT NEXT TIME.
AND SO I CAN ALSO DELVE FURTHER INTO YOUR QUESTION OF HOW IS THE COMMITTEE ABLE TO ISSUE THESE? WHAT, WHAT DIRECTIVES WERE YOU GIVEN BY WHAT SOURCE IN ORDER TO SAY WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE YOU WITH THIS RECOGNITION AWARD, OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DO.
SO WHAT'S OUR AUTHORITY TO ACT? YEAH.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD HELP TOO.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M SURE THAT'S A QUESTION QUESTION THAT JACK WOULD HAVE.
SO, SO IS THERE ANY OTHER, UM, COMMENTS? UH, BOB, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON,
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YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RECOGNITION PROGRAMS, SO, OH, I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT.WHY DON'T WE JUST OPEN TO THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND, AND DISCUSS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING? AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WELL, I THINK WE CAN THEN GO ON TO ITEM B DISCUSSION AND POP POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE CONTINUATION COMPLETION OF THE ISSUANCE OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCE RECOGNITION PLAQUE TO THE COWBOY CLUB.
UM, OF COURSE, THAT'S ALL SORT OF FALLS UNDER THIS
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
BUT, UM, I THINK GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY, UM, PREVIOUSLY GONE THROUGH ACTUALLY WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO WITH THAT, AND THERE'D BEEN A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO, UM, SELECTING THE COWBOY CLUB AND THEN ALL THE TIME THAT CERTAINLY BOB, YOU PUT IN TO CREATING THE, THE, THE, THE IMAGE FOR THE PLAQUE AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UM, I GUESS WE JUST START THE DISCUSSION AS FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UM, SO DO YOU WANT TO LEAD THAT DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT HERE? OKAY.
WHAT I DID WAS I LOOKED AT THE OLD PLAQUE AND, UH, JUST KIND OF TRIED TO BRING IN ALL OF THE STUFF THAT, UH, TOM AND, UM, CHASE WANTED, AND IT, AS WELL AS KEEPING THE REST OF THE STORY.
AND, AND STILL THERE'S ONE HUGE MISTAKE AND TOOK THAT OUT.
I WILL PASS OUT NOW THE, THE OLD, I THINK I HAVE THAT ONE ACTUALLY.
YES, THAT, AND I HAVE IT FOR STAFF ALSO.
I'VE GOT ONE, SO I CAN, HERE, THERE YOU GO.
AND THERE'S ONE FOR YOU, DONNA, OR YOU, YOU CAN PROBABLY HAND HER ONE OF THOSE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, BEFORE YOU GO, STEVE REACH, MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THIS ONE TOO.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DRAFT.
AND WHAT WE DID WAS TO, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE TOOK OFF TWO OF THE PICTURES AT THE VERY BOTTOM, WHICH WERE UN CAPTIONED, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY WERE FOR.
UM, WE DARKENED THE FRAME AROUND IT, MADE IT MORE BROWN, TOOK IT OUT, SORRY, A LITTLE BIT OF YELLOW, ENHANCED THE PHOTOGRAPH SO THAT IT STOOD OUT A LITTLE MORE.
AND THEN WE CHANGED THE LAST PARAGRAPH FROM, IN 1939, A RESTAURANT WAS ADDED, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE TAVERN WASN'T BUILT.
AND, UH, KIND OF SHORTENED THAT DOWN.
THEY HAD SOME STUFF ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE FINE HIGH COUNTRY, UH, FOOD AND ALL THAT.
UH, SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS? UM, HERE, HERE YOU GO.
I, HERE, DO YOU WANNA SEE THE, THIS IS THE, WHAT? THIS IS THE FINAL 'CAUSE I, I ACTUALLY PRINTED TO THE FINAL ONE.
CAN I SEEK A CLARIFICATION? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? 'CAUSE BRI'S GOT A WHOLE STACK OF STUFF.
WHAT, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? THIS IS, THIS IS THE NEWER ONE.
THAT IS NOT WHAT HE JUST HANDED OUT.
SO THIS ONE, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ME TO LOOK AT RIGHT NOW? YEAH, YEAH.
I, HERE YOU CAN PASS THIS ONE DOWN.
OR GIVE ONE TO ONE TO STEVE AND ONE TO DONNA
IT'S NICE BECAUSE HAVING THOSE OTHER TWO PHOTOGRAPHS THERE DON'T REALLY ADD TO IT.
UM, IT, IT, IT, THIS IS, THIS REALLY GIVES YOU THE, THE FEELING OF THE ORIGINAL, UM MM-HMM.
AND I THINK IT, I THINK IT DID GREAT.
DOES THIS HAVE TO GO BACK TO CHASE FOR REVIEW, OR ARE WE DONE WITH HAVING TO TALK WITH THEM? I WOULD THINK WE'RE DONE.
I MEAN, IT'S SORT OF ASKING THEM TO LOOK, TO GIVE HORSE IN THE MOUTH.
I MEAN, WE'VE TAKEN WHAT THEY SAID AND PUT IT IN THERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE SORT OF LIKE WINNING AN ACADEMY AWARD FOR SUPPORTING ACTOR AND SAYING, COULD YOU PLEASE CHANGE THIS TO FEATURED ACTOR? IT LOOKS BETTER, YOU KNOW,
AND YOU DID, YOU DID RESPECT WHAT THEY HAD ASKED US TO PUT IN.
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I THINK, I THINK IT WAS REALLY GOOD.AND IT WAS WORD FOR WORD WHAT CHASE GAVE ME.
I ALSO, NEXT, CAN I ASK ANOTHER CLARIFICATION QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
I FEEL LIKE I AM MISSING SOME SERIOUS BACKGROUND HERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, ACTUALLY HAVE ANY IDEA RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
AND, AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED RESOURCE FOR THE, FOR THE COWBOY CLUB LAST TIME AROUND, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH PLAQUES.
WELL, I, MAYBE I CAN CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT AND THEN MAYBE BOB CAN TOO.
UM, WITH OUR, WITH, WHEN WE ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE A, A, A PROPERTY, UM, WE HAVE, AND THE FIRST ONE WE EVER RECOGNIZED WAS THE ART BARN BECAUSE WE, WE REALIZED WE COULDN'T LAND MARKET, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZED WHAT IT WAS.
SO THAT'S WHY ALL OF THESE THINGS CAME UP.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED TO, YOU CAN READ THROUGH THIS AND MAYBE YOU CAN FIND, YOU KNOW, UH, FIND AND BETTER UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT STANDPOINT WHAT THESE THINGS I'M, I'M LESS WORRIED ABOUT THEIR CRITERIA.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE PROJECT IS.
I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WELL, I, I'M LESS WORRIED ABOUT THE CRITERIA.
I DON'T NEED TO BE SOLD THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC PROPERTY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY HERE'S MY CONCERN WITH THE REASON WHY I SAID, IS IT IN DEVELOPED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAME UP.
WE, WE, WE MADE THE DECISION SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT WE, WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO WAS, THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WANTED TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A LANDMARK, AND WE REALIZED WE COULDN'T DO THAT.
SO WHAT WE DECIDED WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE A SERIES OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD THEN ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE IN, IN A, IN A, IN A, BUT NOT ACTUALLY, UH, GIVE THEM LANDMARK STATUS.
SO THE, WHAT WE DID WAS WE DEVELOPED ALL OF THESE CRITERIA, UM, AND THEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES THAT ACTUALLY FIT INTO THAT, THIS CRITERIA.
AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE SURE WE RECOGNIZE.
AND, AND WE, WE HAD PLANNED ON ACTUALLY DOING LIKE THREE, TWO OR THREE A YEAR AT LEAST.
AND, AND, AND, AND THERE WAS A, AT ONE POINT WE WERE THINKING WHAT WE WOULD DO, AND STEVE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS TOO, WE WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY SORT OF WALK OUR WAY THROUGH UPTOWN FIRST AND THEN START LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES.
BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, RELICS, THEY REALLY WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED.
UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS, BUT THEY'VE CHANGED SO MUCH.
THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN LANDMARK THEM.
SO EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD BE ON OUR LIST OF SOMETHING THAT WE CAN RECOGNIZE.
WE PUT A PLAQUE OUT, WE HAVE AN EVENT FOR THEM, AND THEY'RE JUST ON A LIST OF THINGS WE ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE AS BEING HISTORIC.
BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE AS NOT BEING SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LANDMARKED, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT THAT, THAT, UH, VERY HIGH CRITERIA INVOLVEMENT ON IT.
SO WHAT WE HAD DONE, UM, WE HAD STARTED OUT WITH THE ART BARN, AND WE WERE THEN, WE WERE GONNA GO SORT OF ACROSS THE STREET TO THE COWBOY CLUB.
THAT WAS GONNA BE OUR NEXT, UM, UH, UH, UH, POINT AT WHICH WE WANTED TO DO THIS.
AND SO WE HAD ALL, WE HAD DEVELOPED THIS, WE HAD, WE HAD WORKED ON JACK AND, AND ACTUALLY, UH, JACK HAD, AND BOB HAD, UM, ON, ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, THE PLAQUE, BECAUSE IF YOU ACTUALLY GO TO THE ART BARN, THERE IS A PLAQUE THERE THAT WE ACTUALLY PLACED WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAD THIS RECOGNITION, UH, EVENT THERE.
SO THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD, THEY, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDED SOME THINGS.
WE PROVIDED SOME THINGS, AND A, A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE WERE INVITED.
AND, AND THERE WERE OTHER REASONS FOR THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT, WHAT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED, LIKE WITH THE, THE TAVERN OR THE ART BARN, UM, FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY START UNDERSTANDING WHAT POR HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS IN THE CITY.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY DEVELOPS THAT THEY SEE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOGNIZING THINGS, AND WE CAN SORT OF THEN EXPLAIN TO THEM, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCES AND ALSO THE, THE REASONS WE ACTUALLY FEEL THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT BUILDINGS.
SO CUT TO THE QUICK, I'M STANDING ON THE CORNER OF WINSLOW, ARIZONA.
YOU MIGHT PUT A PLAQUE IN DOWN AT LAS ABOGADO SAYING THIS WAS THE FOOTPRINT OR THE AREA WHERE THE SNUBBY HOTEL WAS.
YOU KNOW, SO IT WOULD BE FOR THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
IF, IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND A WALKING TRIP, UM, OR IF YOU WANTED TO SAY, HERE'S THE OLD PUMP HOUSE THAT KEPT THE WATER.
SO IT'S FOR THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE, THIS GROUP FELT SOMEHOW COULD, COULD, UH, TELL THE STORY, IT COULD TELL A CONTINUING STORY.
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SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GONNA PUT A PLAQUE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING SAYING A SIGNIFICANT THING THAT HAPPENED HERE WAS, IT USED TO BE A GAS STATION'S BEEN HERE FOREVER, BUT THE COWBOY CLUB, THE COWBOYS, UH, ARTISTS OF AMERICA WAS FORMED HERE.SO IT GIVES IT A LITTLE HISTORY.
SO IT IN ESSENCE, DOES THIS EXIST ALREADY? IS THIS NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WHAT WAS THIS? THIS WAS A DRAFT WHEN, WHEN THEY FIRST ACTUALLY, WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST WENT TO THEM, THEY CAME UP WITH THESE PICTURES AND THEY WANTED ALL THAT ON THERE.
AND THEN BASICALLY OVER TIME, WE MADE THE DECISION THAT IT, THEY NEEDED TO CHANGE IT A BIT.
AND, AND JACK WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM.
AND THEN I THINK, I MEAN, BOB DID, AND THEN WE ACTUALLY, UM, RE REWORKED THE PHOTOGRAPH, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA TO MAKE IT CLEARER IN THE, IN THIS, IN THIS, IN THIS INSTANCE.
SO BASICALLY, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FINAL, UM, OR YEAH, I GUESS THE FINAL, UH, DRAFT OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO FOR THEM AS THE PLAQUE THAT GOES ON THAT BUILDING.
AND SO, SO THERE IS NO INSTANT PLAQUE? NO, IT'S JUST SOME OLD DRAFT.
AND WHAT IS THIS BRONZE? IS THIS NO, I, NO, IT'S A COLOR.
IT'S A COLOR PLAQUE THAT, UH, UH, IT'S KIND OF SHINY.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY A NICE LOOKING, JUST SOME OUTDOOR SIGNAGE.
I THINK WE ACTUALLY GOT, I THINK STEVE CAME UP WITH THE, THE COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY STEVE, ER, THAT IS WE DID IN OUR HISTORY WALK.
IT'S THE SAME THING AS THE HISTORY WALK.
HOW BIG ARE WE TALKING? AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BIG.
THEY'RE, BECAUSE BASICALLY, SO YEAH, THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT THIS BIG.
IT IS BIGGER THAN THAT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THIS BIG.
FOR, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS OR THE BUILDING OWNERS OR WHATEVER ON SIZE.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACES WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT THESE THINGS.
AND WE LIKE THEM OUTSIDE, SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY WALK UP TO THEM AND LOOK AT THEM.
SO, BY THE WAY, I DO HAVE THANK YOU.
THIS IS THE, UH, I CAN'T READ THIS NOW.
THIS IS THE SIZE OF THE AREAS IN WHICH THOSE CAN BE DONE.
THIS IS FOR STAFF, AND HERE'S JUST A CLOSEUP PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU PROBABLY NEED TO, THERE YOU GO.
IT'S WHERE, WHERE THE PLACES WHERE THEY MIGHT BE PLACED.
AND, AND, AND SEE, WE HAVE TO, UM, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER ALSO.
WE DON'T WANNA BE YEAH, FOR SURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOMETHING THERE THAT THEY REALLY DON'T WANT.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, UH, WHEN JACK AND, AND I THINK MOSTLY BOB, UM, INTERVIEWED THE OWNERS, THEY CAME UP WITH A WORDING.
WE CAN ACTUALLY GO BACK IN AND SAY, THAT DOESN'T WORK AT ALL.
WHEN YOU SAY IT WAS ALL REVIEWED BY WHOM? BY H P C? WE, WE REVIEW IT BEFORE IT, BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GETS PLACED.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE IS THAT PART OF THE PROGRAM WHERE WE ACTUALLY, UM, WE LET THEM SUBMIT THINGS, BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HISTORICALLY CORRECT.
WE NEED TO HAVE IT TO HISTORICALLY CORRECT.
SO THAT'S WE SUPPOSED TO DO TODAY ON THIS.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN VOTE TO PROCEED.
IF WE HAVE EDITS, WE'D LIKE TO SEE.
HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? WELL, IT SAYS THAT, UM, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.
SO IF THE DISCUSSION SAYS THAT YOU'RE NOT QUITE READY TO VOTE ON IT, OR IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT WITH EDITS, YOU CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
WE APPROVE IT WITH EDITS, UH, SO WE CAN GET THIS THING MOVING, MOVING ALONG.
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAYOUT OF THE LOOK, I WOULD SAY CHANGE 'EM.
NO, I, I, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE JUST UPFRONT IS I CAN GET YOU A MUCH BETTER IMAGE SO IT'S NOT ALL PIXELATED, UM, THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY POP IN.
'CAUSE I THINK, AND, AND THE MUSEUM HAS A, A UPDATED LOGO IN BUD FOR THAT, SO I MEANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, THAT MAKES THOSE EDITS WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE, DEFINITELY MAKE SENSE.
WE CAN HOLD ACTION UNTIL YOU BRING IT BACK.
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OR WE REVISE IT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT, BECAUSE YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO VOTE ON WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA SEND TO HAVE MADE.SO BASICALLY WHAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO IS PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME TO, TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE REVISIONS AND THEN APPROVE IT NEXT TIME, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY APPROVING OR EVEN SEMI, SEMI APPROVING IT THIS TIME.
IS THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE EDITS OR CHANGE THE PICTURE OR SOMETHING.
WELL, THOSE WERE MY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GOOD COMMENTS.
I, I DON'T THE FINAL, THE ONLY THING, THOSE ARE JUST TWO AESTHETIC ONES THAT REALLY WE DON'T NEED TO VIEW AGAIN.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I SEE THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME IS THERE'S AN EXTRA PERIOD AFTER OLD WEST, OR AN EXTRA SPACE AFTER OLD WEST PERIOD SHOULD BE CLOSER, BUT
UM, SO THOSE, THOSE, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN.
IF THOSE GET UPDATED, THAT'S, YOU'RE, I DON'T NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN AFTER THAT.
WE, UH, WELL, I WOULD USE THE SAME PICTURE, BUT I'D GET YOU A BETTER QUALITY ONE BECAUSE THIS IS PIXELATED.
AND ALSO, CAN YOU CHECK AND SEE IF THE, UH, PHOTO CREDIT, THAT'S WHAT I'M REQUIRED BY.
I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SEDONA, ARIZONA ON THERE.
SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM PROBABLY.
'CAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
JUST THAT WHEN WE, UM, WHEN WE LANDMARKED THE, UH, CHAPEL, WE DID THAT.
SO WHY DON'T, WE'VE GOTTA BRING IT UP THE NEXT MEETING AND WE'LL, DO YOU THINK IT'S BEST, UH, DONNA, JUST TO BRING IT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING, BRING IT BACK AND EVERYBODY SEE, DEPENDS ON WHAT ALL OF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH.
YOU WANNA SEE WHAT'S GONNA GO TO PRINT OR NOT.
WELL, I DO THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHAT GOES TO PRINT.
SO I THINK THEN LET'S WAIT UNTIL NEXT TIME AND YOU BRING, BRING IN THE OTHER, YEAH.
WHERE DO I, WHERE DO I SEND THOSE? ONE THING ABOUT THIS COMPANY, WHEN YOU SEND THIS OFF, YOU'RE GONNA GET LIKE THREE CHECKS BACK.
THEY'RE REALLY KIND OF A PAIN IN THE ASS, BUT BECAUSE THEY WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT.
SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE NEXT MEETING WE APPROVE IT THEN WHEN, WHEN IT COMES BACK FROM THE PRINTER WITH THE PROOF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DESIGNEE, SOMEBODY WHO SAY THAT, THAT LOOKS GOOD.
AS OPPOSED TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE BOB DO THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK.
UM, THE MADAM CHAIR ALSO, UH, SEDONA ENGRAVING DOES THIS TYPE OF WORK.
I TOOK IT TO THEM BEFORE WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
AND, UH, THEY, THEY SAID THEY COULD DO IT FOR ABOUT $80, WHICH WAS MUCH CHEAPER THAN WHAT WAS SPENT FOR.
I SENT THAT THEN TO THE CITY, AND THE CITY REQUIRED ME TO ASK, CAN YOU MAKE IT GRAFFITI PROOF? WELL, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT GRAFFITI PROOF.
AND SO THEY, THEY WERE CANCELED OUT.
THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T DO IT.
THEY WANT A CLEAN SERVICE, THEY CAN WIPE OFF.
WE CAN DISCUSS THAT NEXT MEETING.
WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE PUT THIS OFF FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND, UM, I THINK YOU SENT ANYTIME TO GET THOSE UPDATES.
I SEND 'EM YOU, BOB, BOB, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
I CAN JUST WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
IF YOU, IF YOU SEND THE UPDATES TO BOB, THEN HE CAN ACTUALLY REPLACE THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH AND, AND DO THE EDITS, WHICH WOULD BE GETTING RID OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON THERE.
AND THEN I THINK TOO, THAT MOVE THE PERIOD, YOU'VE GOT GOT THREE, THREE PLAQUE CHOICES HERE.
I THINK THE ONE THAT MAKES SENSE IS FAR RIGHT, 18 AND A HALF WIDE, WHERE IT GOES UP NEXT TO THE WINDOW.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIVE UP THEIR FOOD BOARD.
SO I THINK THE, TO ME, THE, THE SMALLER ONE, THE 18 AND A HALF I THINK IS THE ONE WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO WITH WHEN YOU'RE FORMATTING.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'LL DO THE, UM, THE, YEAH.
SO WHEN YOU FORMAT IT, BOB, THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE WITHIN WHAT WE, UH, VOTE ON NEXT TIME TOO.
I THINK THE 18 AND A HALF, UM, WITH IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT BIG PROBABLY.
UM, I THINK THAT ONE MIGHT BE THE BEST IN TERMS OF VISUALS AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO BE USED.
WE CAN ALSO ASK THE GILMANS IF, I MEAN, THAT BLACKBOARD THING, AS YOU SEE THERE, IS FAIRLY NEW.
THEY MAY BE WILLING TO MOVE IT AND ALLOW THE PLAQUE TO BE PLACED THERE.
I, YOU, I MEAN, I THINK YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS YOU DID NOT WANT THEM TO BE AS BIG AS YOUR LANDMARK PLAQUES.
YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE OTHER POINTS TOO.
AND THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THIS, IN THIS, IN THIS PART OF WHAT WE DID, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DISCUSS THAT IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
UM, AND I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S, IT DRAWS ENOUGH ATTENTION THAT IT WOULD BE IN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE 18 I I WOULD
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AGREE THAT IT BE ON THE, THAT SITE, THE SMALLER ONE, THE SMALLER, JUST GO BACK AND GET IT DONE AND NEXT MEETING LET'S VOTE ON IT AND SHIP.IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME TO HAVE IT MADE ANYWAY.
SO WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN, AND THEN YOU GUYS GET EVERYTHING BACK AND FORTH.
I'LL GET THE TWO FILES AND MAKE THOSE, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE THOSE SMALL CHANGES THERE.
UM, AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE GOOD.
UM, COULD, FOR THE RECORD, COULD WE CLARIFY THOSE REVISIONS THAT WE WANNA MAKE TO THIS SIGN? OR TO THE PLAQUE? TO THE PLAQUE? OKAY.
I THINK THE, THE REVISIONS WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE, UM, WHERE THE, THE PHOTO COURTESY OF JUST GET RID OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, JUST DO THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM, BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE PAST, THAT'S ALL WE'VE EVER DONE.
AND THEN, UM, ACTUALLY AFTER OLD WEST, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SPACE THERE.
THE PERIOD JUST NEEDS TO BE MOVED BACK AGAINST THE T AND THE OLD WEST.
AND THE ONE TWO THIRD PARAGRAPH, THE END OF THE THIRD PARAGRAPH, THOSE ARE THE TWO, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE SEE.
AND THEN ALSO A REPLACEMENT WITH A BETTER PIXEL VALUE TO THE, UM, ACTUAL PHOTO THAT'S, THAT'S ON THIS, ON THE PLAQUE AND NEW, NEW, UH, MUSEUM LOGO.
I, I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DIGRESSION THERE, GUYS, BUT I REALLY THOUGHT NO, NO, NO, YOU'RE WELL, YOU'RE SO NEW.
IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE I WAS REALLY MISSING SOMETHING.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? OKAY, GREAT.
OKAY, SO, UM, DISCUSSION OF THE STATE H P C CONFERENCE STARTING OCTOBER 25TH.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE THREE OF US GOING.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YOU'RE GOING NATE, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO STAFF AFTERWARDS.
UH, IF, IF THE 25TH IS, THE FIRST DAY IS KIND OF LIKE YOU JUST OPENING SESSION.
UH, THE, THE LOOKING OVER THE, UM, THE, THE AGENDA OR THE, THE PLAN THAT, UH, DONNA HAD SENT OUT LAST MONTH.
I BELIEVE THE, UM, UH, THE CERTIFIED, UH, IS ON THE 25TH IS ON THE 25TH IN THE AFTERNOON.
I, SO YEAH, THEY DO THE, THE CERTIFIED, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
I KNOW, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT? UM, WE GOT THERE.
UM, WE, THAT, THAT IS DONE ON THE 25TH.
AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE LIKE TO, TO HAVE US BE INVOLVED WITH.
AND YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS THAT FIRST, THAT FIRST DAY.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE, YOU HAVE THE CHART THERE FOR, YEAH.
IS THAT THERE? I DIDN'T SEE THAT.
THAT'S PART OF YOUR PACKET? YES.
THAT'S, WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THE BUDGET THAT DOESN'T SORT
WAIT, IT'S THE LAST, YEAH, IT'S, WELL, THIS IS IT.
NOW, AND IN TURN, LET ME, UM, WE ARE NOTIFIED THAT WE, THE, THE, THE, THE PUBLIC IS NOTIFIED THAT WE ARE ALL GONNA BE THERE.
THAT, UM, UM, A, UM, A, A QUORUM IS GONNA BE AT THIS MEETING AT THIS, RIGHT? IS THAT NOT CORRECT? POSTED? IT'S BEEN POSTED.
SO WHEN WE, UM, WHEN WE ARE THERE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE USUALLY, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THEY ACTUALLY SOMETIMES CHANGE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, MOVE THINGS AROUND A BIT.
UM, WE'VE ALWAYS SORT OF, AFTER THE, AFTER THE C L G HAVE SORT OF GOTTEN TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING, IS THAT GOING TO BE STILL APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DO, DONNA, CAN WE STILL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT? UM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO MOVE THINGS OR SOMETIMES SOMEBODY DOES IS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THAT THEY THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE A PRESENTER AND THINGS MOVE A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WELL, YOU'RE JUST DISCUSSING THE SCHEDULE AND WHO'S GONNA ATTEND SESSION.
YEAH, WE WON'T BE TALKING ABOUT THAT DOWN THERE AT ALL.
SO, UM, WELL, I, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE, THAT THE CITY WANTS US TO BE TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS? IS THERE SOMETHING THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING IN THIS? YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHAT I DO IS I LOOK AT IT, LOOK IT OVER, AND I MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHAT REALLY PERTAINS TO, TO SEDONA.
UM, I KNOW THAT IN PAST, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US HAVE, HAVE GONE ON THE REALLY FUN EXPEDITIONS AND THAT'S GREAT TOO.
BUT FOR ME, IT, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER I'M HITTING THERE IS GONNA BE THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE PERTAINING TO WHAT WE, WHAT THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY USE, WHAT WE CAN USE FOR THE CITY.
UM, SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT, THAT ANYBODY SPOTTED IN WITH FROM THE CITY THAT THEY THINK THAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE A PART OF? THIS, THIS SESSION
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REALLY WAS FOR YOU, THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES, UH, WHILE YOU WERE ABLE TO, IN A QUORUM, UM, WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ATTEND, RIGHT.SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS A CHANCE SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T, UH, RUN AFOUL OF PUBLIC MEETING REQUIREMENTS, UH, IF YOU WANTED TO TALK, YOU KNOW, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING.
WELL, YEAH, AND PROBABLY, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S SORT OF DIFFICULT TODAY, NOT HAVING BOB HERE, 'CAUSE HE MIGHT SPOT SOMETHING ON HERE THAT HE THINKS TOO, THAT HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, HE WOULD WANT US TO ATTEND.
AND BOB, I'M SORRY, JACK, WHY DO I DO THAT TO YOU GUYS?
UM, SO BOB, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT ANY OF THIS.
UM, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT HAD JUMPED OUT AT YOU, NOT REALLY, OR YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT? WELL, USUALLY WE END UP GOING TO THE ONES THAT INTERESTS US THE MOST.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, USUALLY I'VE ALWAYS PLAYED IT BY EAR, THE ONES I WENT TO.
AND I, I THINK ALL KNOWLEDGE IS GOOD.
AND SOMETIMES YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU PICK UP THAT'S GONNA BE USEFUL.
YEAH, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
'CAUSE SOME OF THEM, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD OVERTHINK IT.
I THINK WE JUST SHOW UP AND DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO OVER A COCKTAIL.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT BE, UH, BENEFICIAL FOR US, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE JACK HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF BOB'S REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS.
MAYBE SEND THESE OUT ON IN EMAIL SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY LET US KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO THEM, FOR THEM TO, TO SEE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IS THEY'RE, THEY WON'T BE HERE WITH US.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF, IF THAT, THAT COULD HAPPEN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A BENEFICIAL TO US.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT, UM, THE CLASS SCHEDULES WERE A PART OF THE ORIGINAL INFORMATION SENT TO THE COMMISSION.
I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE THE YEAH.
AND THIS WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION AT LAST MEETING ASKED TO IZE TO DISCUSS.
SO THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF BROUGHT UP.
WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, UM, IF, IF, IF MAYBE WHETHER IT WAS SENT OUT BEFORE OR NOT, DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD GET IT TO BOTH, UM, YEAH, JUST EMAIL BOB AND JACK.
THERE'S ONE HERE FOR OUR A D A BATHROOMS APPROPRIATE FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE, UM, DO WE, SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
WE'LL GO TO THE ONE SPRING, LIKE, AND WE'LL REPORT BACK.
I'VE GOTTA LEAVE IN ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES IF WE HAVE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING.
AND LET ME JUST SEE WHAT'S, WHAT'S LEFT ON OUR NO, THE REST IS DISCUSSION.
I, I THINK WE CAN, LIKE, LIKE STEVE SAID, I THINK THIS STEVE
AND IF WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU, BOB AND FROM JACK, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, SO LET'S GO ON TO DISCUSSION OF H P C BUDGET AND REQUEST FOR THE, THE, THE NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.
I HATE TO MISS THAT, BUT I'M GONNA PROBABLY MISS THAT.
I'LL LET YOU GUYS HASH THAT OUT.
BUT WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE HARD WORK, YOU WALK
UM, THE BUDGETS FOR, UH, WELL WHAT STEVE, CAN YOU, NOW THAT HE, THE OTHER STEVE'S GONE? NO, NOT YOU.
SO STEVE, NOW THAT STEVE'S GONE YES.
DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA SORT OF GO OVER THIS AND GIVE US SORT OF A, A, A, A FLYING VIEW OF WHAT THE CITY IS THINKING IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING? SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS, UM, GET YOUR FEEDBACK BASICALLY ON WHAT YOU FEEL YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO KNOWING, UM, DONNA'S VERY NICELY GIVEN US THE PAST HISTORY, RIGHT.
UH, ON, UH, WHAT WAS PUT INTO THE BUDGET, WHAT WAS USED, UM, AND, AND HOW YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW, UH, BASED UPON THIS, UH, THE 2023 BUDGET WAS
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DERIVED BASED UPON PAST HISTORY MM-HMM.UM, SO KNOWING THAT, UM, OR, OR THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND WHEN WE STAFF HAVE TO THEN SET THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS FOR, IS TO SEE WHAT THE COMMISSION FEELS THEY WOULD WANT TO, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, RECOGNITION THAT THEY WANT WOULD WANT EITHER THROUGH LANDMARKING OR THROUGH THE RESOURCE AWARD, UM, THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO, UH, GO AFTER.
UM, AND, AND I THINK WE ARE, I MEAN, THIS YEAR WE'RE REALLY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TWO LANDMARKS, UM, DONE.
SO I THINK IT IS, AND I THINK WE'RE MORE ANXIOUS TO, TO ACTUALLY DO THAT.
AND I, I HAD A LONG DISCUSSION WITH, UH, SHIPPO IN, IN PHOENIX, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND THEY'RE VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE STARTING TO MOVE AGAIN.
THEY, THEY'VE BEEN A BIT WORRIED ABOUT US BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TURN IN A REPORT AND, AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE GOTTA TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHEN WE GO TO THE MEETING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT FOR NEXT YEAR IF WE'RE DOING, IF WE'VE DONE TWO THIS YEAR, DO WE WANNA LOOK AT DOING A POSSIBILITY OF TWO NEXT YEAR AGAIN? UM, AND, AND I THINK ONE OF THE, THE DIFFICULTIES FOR ME RIGHT NOW IS WE, DO WE ACTUALLY KNOW HOW MUCH W THAT, UM, NANCY BURGESS WOULD A, IS GOING TO BE ACTUALLY CHARGING FOR DOING THE TWO THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PLATES NOW BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP US KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME KIND OF NUMBER.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE HAD, UH, MADE AN INQUIRY, UM, AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION BACK AS OF YET.
BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT WE'D LIKE TO PLUG IN THAT MUCH MONEY FOR THAT.
UM, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THERE'S, IN TERMS OF LOOKING AHEAD, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW WE'VE GOT, UM, SOME MONEY HERE THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN USE FOR THIS YEAR.
I, I WILL BE VERY EAGER TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH.
UM, THIS, THE, THE PLAQUE WE JUST LOOKED AT WHAT THE COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, THE, THE STANDARD LANDMARK PLAQUES.
UH, AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR, UM, COSTS FOR SURVEYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
AND ESPECIALLY JUST LOOKING OVER THE, THE, THE MOST RECENT FIVE YEARS AND, AND OF COURSE COVID BEING, UH RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, A BIG HOLE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING MM-HMM.
THEN WE CAN THROUGH NO, THROUGH NO FAULT OF ANYBODY.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO SOUND LIKE I'M BLAMING STAFF
AND I BELIEVE THIS DISCUSSION IS NOT TO DISCUSS THE NUMBERS OF THE BUDGET.
IT'S, IT'S FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, THE COMMISSION, WHAT THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE WANNA DO.
AND THEN WE CAN RESEARCH WHAT ALL THAT COSTS AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD COME UP WITH THE BUDGET.
'CAUSE THAT'S, I, AND I, I'M, I'M WITH NATE HERE TOO BECAUSE IT, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE A HARD PART.
BUT I THINK IF WE LOOK AT ACTUALLY DOING TWO LANDMARKS NEXT YEAR, 'CAUSE I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME THAT HAVE POPPED UP.
UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, JANINE VEIAN HAS GIVEN US ONE THAT HE, THEY, SHE WANTS TO LOOK US TO LOOK AT, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME ON OUR LIST ALREADY THAT WE WANNA LOOK AT.
SO I THINK IF WE, AND I, I THINK GOING BEYOND TWO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF WORK TOO ON OUR PART MAKING SURE, AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK ON THE, THE CITY STAFF PART MM-HMM.
AND I DON'T WANNA OVERBURDEN, YOU KNOW, YOU OR US.
SO I THINK IF WE LOOK AT TWO, THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.
NOW WE HAVE IN THE PAST WE'VE DECIDED ON ONE AND WE'VE DONE ONE.
BUT THAT, BUT, BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP TIME.
SO, AND, AND MAYBE WE CAN ADJUST IT IF WE ACTUALLY ASK FOR TWO AND YOU COME BACK AND SAY, THAT'S TOO MUCH MONEY, WE CAN'T DO IT, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN BACK AWAY FROM IT.
BUT I ALSO THINK WE REALLY NEED TO DO THE SURVEY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE UPDATE OF OF OF, OF OUR ACTUAL SURVEY, OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION SURVEY.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE ONE SINCE 2014.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK THIS 20 14 1 THE MOST ACCURATE.
THE MOST ACCURATE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST CURRENT ONE, RIGHT? YEAH.
MOST CURRENT, I SHOULD SAY NOT ACCURATE.
UM, AND I THINK, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
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PUT A BURDEN ON US ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO DO TWO LANDMARKS.BUT, UM, I THINK, BUT WE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IN ORDER FOR US TO STAY ON TOP OF IT AND STAY ON TOP OF IT FOR SHIPPO AND FOR NATIONAL, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT, UM, UM, LOOKED INTO.
AND SO, SO YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH NANCY AND SEE WHAT HER COST FOR THAT WOULD BE TOO.
UM, 'CAUSE WE HAD ACTUALLY, I THINK WE'D PLANNED ON DOING IT.
UH, WELL WE HAD PLANNED ON DOING IT WHEN COVID HIT AND WE JUST, THAT, THAT SORT OF SHOCKED EVERYTHING.
AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN OF, OF PREVIOUS ONES THAT WOULD FIT EVERY, EVERY FEW 5, 6, 7, 8 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO 2020 WOULD'VE BEEN THE NEXT LOGICAL ONE.
SO IT IS, IT IS TIME TO, IT'S TIME TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT.
UM, SO I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS.
I THINK IN TERMS OF THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM, UM, WE, AGAIN TOO, I THINK NATE'S RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO BE SPENT FOR THE PLAQUES, BUT I THINK THAT WE WILL WANT TO, AND UM, BOB, MAYBE YOU CAN VOICE AN OPINION ON THIS.
I THINK WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO MORE RECOGNITIONS FOR NEXT YEAR, AT LEAST TWO.
UM, SO, UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT GONNA COST US AS MUCH.
AND I KNOW OUR BUDGET ALSO INCLUDES THE TIME FROM YOU GUYS, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, UM, AND, AND RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU GUYS TIME TO DO WHATEVER WE'RE ASKING TO DO.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE TWO, DO YOU WANNA SORT OF VOICE AN OPINION ON THIS? BOB, PLEASE.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST TWO IDENTIFIED IN ONE YEAR FOLLOWED UP BY FABRICATION THE FOLLOWING YEAR WHILE WE, UH, AGAIN, FIGURE OUT ANOTHER TWO FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED THAT MOMENTUM GOING, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH, WHEN WE HIT COVID, WE REALLY SORT OF, THE MOMENTUM WAS GONE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BUILD BACK UP.
AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
UM, SO I THINK, AND, AND SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU, UH, DONNA, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN THINK THAT WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE RECOGNIZE IN THAT BUDGET? I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE, THE STAFFING AND HOW MUCH THAT'S GONNA COST.
UM, WE ALSO USUALLY HAVE DONE AN EVENT ONCE A YEAR AND, AND NOW WE'RE SORT OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S A LITTLE BIT AWKWARD ABOUT THAT? AND IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR US TO CONSIDER.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE A DIFFERENT, UM, WAY OF PAYING FOR THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK, BUT I, BUT I THINK THAT, I DON'T WANNA LEAN, LEAN TOTALLY ON THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT TOTALLY TO COME OUT OF THEIR BUDGET.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A COOPERATIVE THING WHERE SOME OF OUR BUDGET ACTUALLY GOES INTO THAT.
NATE, MAYBE YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THAT.
NO, YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.
BECAUSE THERE DOES NEED TO BE BUY-IN FROM, FROM H P C ON THAT TOO.
UM, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM READS ALL OF THEIR COUNCIL PACKETS THOROUGHLY ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, AND SO I KNOW YOU'VE ALL READ THE, THE CONTRACT THAT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY HAS WITH THE CITY AND, AND YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERY BULLET POINT THE WAY I DO.
UM, BUT
UM, AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE BY CONTRACT WITH THE CITY FOR OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR SUPPORT.
WE ARE, UM, SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
AS I SAY, WE TAKING OFF MY COMMISSIONER HAT AND, AND, AND BEING THE S H SS REPRESENTATIVE AT THE MOMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, S H S DOES NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH, WITH THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE ARE, UM, CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED AND WANT TO DO ANYWAY.
DONNA MAY WOULD BE A, A KEY TIME BECAUSE OF THAT BEING THE HISTORIC HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH.
AND IT'S BEEN KIND OF NEGLECTING THAT THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND YES, WE WERE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MONTH WE HAVE DONE, I KNOW THIS YEAR IT BECAME A REALLY COMPLICATED, UM, IN NATE, FOR NATE.
BUT IT WAS ALSO COMPLICATED 'CAUSE WE HAD PLANNED ON THINKING IT WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD BRING IN AK IN IT AND SHE COULDN'T GET HER PART TOGETHER EITHER.
SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE GOTTA START PLANNING PROBABLY IN, IN JANUARY, UM, REALLY TO GET IT, GET IT THROUGH IT IN MAY SO THAT WE ACTUALLY GOT IT SLOTTED TIME AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT TOGETHER.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO, I STILL BELIEVE THAT, UM, H P C SHOULD
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BE CONTRIBUTING MONETARILY TO IT TOO.BECAUSE I THINK, LIKE YOU SAY, I MEAN ANY OF US ORGANIZATIONS, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT GIVE AND TAKE THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THAT.
SO I THINK FOR US, THERE SHOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, IT, IT, WE REALLY HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT ON, ON THOSE EVENTS.
UM, IN THE PAST, FOR THE MOST PART, WE BRING FOOD AND THAT'S BEEN WHAT IT'S BEEN BECAUSE WHAT WE, WHAT WE USUALLY ARE DOING IS RECOGNIZING, UM, I KNOW ONE YEAR WE DID THE US FOR, UH, FOREST SERVICE BUILDINGS AND WE BROUGHT, REMEMBER WE BROUGHT THE ICE CREAM.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD WORK NOW.
UM, BUT WE BROUGHT ICE CREAMS AND, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, AND, AND, AND THERE ARE, THERE ARE INSTANCES TOO WHERE THE, THE ACTUAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WANTS TO BE COOPERATE AND GIVE ME US MONEY TOO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO IT.
BUT I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THE MONIES THAT WE ACTUALLY SPEND ARE USUALLY FOR THE REFRESHMENTS.
IS IT NOT? I MEAN, WE, AND A LITTLE BIT, WE ALSO HAVE TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT FOR THE ADVERTISING IN IT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A PIECE IN THE PAPER AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A COST RELATED TO THAT TOO.
UM, SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DIG SOME OF THAT, THOSE RECORDS UP AND LOOK AT WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID IN THE PAST.
OF COURSE, IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE NOW THAN IT WAS THEN, BUT PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY STICK IN THE BUDGET AND MAKE SURE, AND LIKE YOU SAY, DONNA, I THINK THAT MAY IS THE ONE THAT WE SHOULD REALLY BE LOOKING AT.
AND I
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO DO THE TWO PLAQUES, THE TWO RECOGNITION PLAQUES, THE EVENT AND ALL THIS.
BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU'RE NOW A FIVE PERSON COMMISSION.
AND WHEN THE COMMISSION WAS CREATED, IT WAS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF WOULD SPEND NO MORE THAN 20% OF ONE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE IN STAFF TIME, WHICH PUTS THIS AS A WORKING COMMISSION.
SO WHAT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO IS A LOT OF YOUR TIME.
AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW NOW BOB MENTIONED DOING A ROTATION OF DOING SOME RESEARCH ONE YEAR AND GETTING A PLAQUE THE NEXT YEAR.
AND MAYBE THAT'S AN APPROACH TO CONSIDER, BUT I HATE TO SEE YOU OVERWHELM WITH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONERS.
AND THEN PEOPLE GET DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE SOMETHING CAN'T BE DONE IN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.
BUT IF YOU'RE GUNGHO AND WILLING TO PUT IN THE TIME, THAT'S FINE.
BUT JUST REALIZE THE STAFF IS RESTRICTED IN HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DEVOTE TO.
AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
AND I'LL SAY TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE OF MY DUAL ROLES, I DO HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION IS JUST WORK I'M DOING OR SHOULD BE DOING FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY ANYWAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AS WE, AS WE GO, AS WE GO.
WELL, I, IT, IT'S SORT OF INTERESTING DONNA, TOO.
'CAUSE I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, HAVE I, I RUN CHAMBER MUSIC, SEDONA, AND I, I, I ALSO, UM, UH, ONE OF THE HEADS OF MY H O A, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT TOO IS THAT I THINK THAT ALMOST ALL OF US ARE COMMIT TO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THAT THE ONES THAT ARE AS COMMITTED, I THINK IS ALL OF US.
AND I THINK FOR, FOR JACK, UM, I MEAN YEAH, FOR JACK AND FOR, UM, STEVE TOO.
UM, I, I, I THINK THAT WE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T WANNA OVERBURDEN OURSELVES WITH IT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE DO IT BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING.
IT, IT GIVES US SOMETHING, IT GIVES US A PURPOSE THAT OTHERWISE WE MIGHT NOT HAVE.
UH, I HATE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE SILLY ABOUT IT, BUT I KNOW THAT SO OFTEN WHEN SOMEBODY JOINS SOMETHING, THEY GET LOST IN IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NEVER ASKED TO DO ANYTHING AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LEFT ON THE SIDELINES.
UM, SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND MAYBE WE WILL TAILOR THAT BACK TO ONE, ONE LANDMARK NEXT YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE ALL FIVE OF US HAVE TO BE HERE TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GONNA BE WORK INTO THE SCHEDULES THAT WE HAVE.
BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS I, I WANNA BE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT AND WHY I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE CLOCK WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE MEETINGS IS THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME THAT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE
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TAKING.UM, IT'S JUST FOR ALL OF YOU TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO AND RIGHT.
YOU'LL HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT.
BOB, DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT AT ALL ON THAT? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT,
I'M WILLING TO PUT IN THE TIME.
SO IT'S UP TO WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO.
WELL, AND I, I THINK, I THINK, UM, JACK WOULD FEEL THE SAME.
I KNOW THAT STEVE REALLY, HE, HE'S MORE OF AN IDEA GUY, AND HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UM, BUT HE ALSO WORKS WITH NATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS, HE'S ALWAYS WILLING TO PITCH IN AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE TAKEN UP.
I THINK TO BE A LITTLE MORE AMBITIOUS IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN NOT BEING AMBITIOUS ENOUGH.
UM, I THINK THAT, UH, WHAT DONNA SAID, WE DEFINITELY WANNA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE ALSO WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET THAN NOT IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH THE YEAR, WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESSES, AND YOU FIND THAT IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE PHYSICALLY, UH, APPROPRIATE TO GO FOR THAT SECOND ONE, OR YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO.
UM, YOU'VE SHOWN THIS YEAR THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF TWO, WE, UH, LANDMARKING PERMITS.
UM, SO, AND THIS IS BASICALLY JUST AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU WANT.
IT'S NOT HOLDING YOU TO IT, BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THE COMMISSION, UH, WANTS TO DO NEXT YEAR.
AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS I WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON, UH, WHAT VICE CHAIR MEYERS SAID IS THAT THERE'S A REASON THAT THERE'S NO MONEY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FOR THE CELEBRA, THE MAY CELEBRATION.
AND IS THIS BECAUSE THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE MUSEUM TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES? AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT TOO.
AND THE THIRD THING IS THAT, UM, UH, THE BIGGEST PART OF YOUR BUDGET, UM, IS, IS IS THE, UM, THE CONFERENCE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ARE, AGAIN, ARE WE SENDING THREE COMMISSIONERS TO THE CONFERENCE NEXT YEAR? SO THOSE ARE THINGS, THOSE ARE OTHER THINGS WE WANNA DISCUSS TONIGHT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOES INTO THE BUDGET.
WELL, IT'S, I, YOU KNOW, AND DONNA CAN PROBABLY ACTUALLY TALK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN.
I MEAN, I ACTUALLY, WHEN, WHEN THE CITY COULDN'T AFFORD ANYBODY GOING TO THE CONFERENCE, I ACTUALLY PAID MY OWN WAY
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER MORE THAN THREE OF US USUALLY GOING.
UM, DO YOU, DONNA, I MEAN, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER MEMORY OF THAT THAN I DO.
I THINK WE HAD FOUR ONE TIME WE HAD A LARGER COMMISSION AS WELL.
BUT WE HAD THE LARGER COMMISSION, WE HAD THE SEVEN ON THE COMMISSION.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, AND IT'S ALWAYS BETTER IF, IF THEY DO IT IN PHOENIX, BECAUSE THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY, PAY, PAY THE HOTEL AMOUNTS.
UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE SHOULD REALLY, THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE BUDGET TOO, BECAUSE I, THAT THAT IS WELL, IT, IT GIVES, YOU'RE GONNA BE VERY, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA ENJOY THIS CONFERENCE, NATE.
IT'S GONNA, IT'S, IT'S, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR ANYBODY ALSO WHO'S NEW TO THE BOARD TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT NOW.
UM, JUST AS AN ASIDE, WE MIGHT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, GIVE OURSELVES TIME NEXT, NEXT YEAR BECAUSE, UH, SHIPPO SAID THEY'LL SEND SOMEBODY UP TO DO TRAINING SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO IT HERE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE C L G TRAINING.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY, AS MANY PEOPLE GOING TO THE C L G WITH THE STATE.
SO THEY WILL ACTUALLY BRING SOMEBODY UP HERE TO GIVE US THE WHOLE RUNDOWN AND MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
UM, THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT DOING THAT AGAIN.
I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO AND THEY SAID, YOU JUST CALL US AND WE'LL COME.
AND, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
UH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'D WANNA DO IN THE COURSE OF A, A REGULAR MEETING, OR WOULD WE WANNA SCHEDULE A SPECIAL SESSION WITH THAT AS THE ONLY THING?
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OKAY.I THINK WE'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS.
YEAH, WE HAVE ACTUALLY, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES, I THINK WHAT WE DO.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TALK TO SHIPPO AND FIND OUT, AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE USING, AGAIN, A LITTLE STAFF TIME.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THEY'RE LITTLE, BUT THEY ACTUALLY ACTUALLY END UP BEING BIGGER.
SO THE PREFERENCE FOR EVERYONE'S SCHEDULE WOULD BE IF YOU COULD DO IT AT A REGULAR MEETING.
BUT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK WITH SHIPPO'S TIME OR WHATEVER, THEN IT CAN BE SCHEDULED AS A SPECIAL MEETING.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, UH, STEVE, DONNA, YOU HAVE, YOU'RE THINKING THAT WE'RE MISSING IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE PUTTING INTO THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'LL NEED TO PUT INTO THE BUDGET FOR US FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING? REALLY, I THINK THAT'S IT.
UM, THERE ARE SOME OTHER LINE ITEMS HERE.
IT'S LIKE OFFICE SUPPLIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE COMMENSURATE ON WHAT YOU'VE TOLD US.
SO WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT WHAT WE THINK YOU MIGHT NEED FOR THOSE PROGRAMS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO.
SO NOW WE USED TO, AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVEN NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS ANYMORE, BUT WE USED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A BUDGET FOR DOING SOME ADVERTISING, UM, SO THAT WE COULD, PEOPLE KNEW, AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER I ACTUALLY DID SOME OF THE ADS FOR YOU FOR IT.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUALLY NECESSARY ANYMORE.
UM, WE HAVE TO DO ADS FOR YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
YEAH, YOU HAVE TO, TO DO THAT.
SO WHEN YOU LANDMARK, THEN WE HAVE THAT.
YEAH, YOU DO DO HAVE TO DO THOSE TOO.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, ACTUAL ARTICLES IN THE PAPER, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS ARE WRITTEN BY THE CITY STAFF OR THAT CAN BE WRITTEN BY ONE OF US, BUT THAT EVEN IF IT IS, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE IT GOES THROUGH TO THE, TO THE, TO THE PAPERS.
IS IT, AM I NOT RIGHT WITH THAT? WE, WE USED TO RUN ADS WHEN YOU HAD LIKE, THE OPEN HOUSES, RIGHT.
WITH ALL THE LANDMARK OWNERS AND THINGS, BUT SOME OF THAT WOULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER THE AGREEMENT WITH THE MUSEUM NOW.
IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO JUST RUN OUT A PRESS RELEASE OR ANYTHING.
IT'S GOTTA BE ONE OF THOSE PAID PUBLIC NOTICES.
WE BUDGET FOR YOU TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AD HERE IN THE PAPER, LIKE A P AND Z MEETING OR CITY COUNCIL.
THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO BE PUBLICIZED BECAUSE NO, I I I KNOW THEY HAVE TO BE PUBLICIZED.
I WAS, I WAS ASKING BEYOND ABOUT THE METHOD, METHOD OF THAT.
SO THE CITY WOULD PLACE THE AD ON THAT.
WHAT ARE THOSE, LIKE 10 BUCKS A POP OR WHATEVER,
NO, NO, I, THAT'S, I'M, I'M BEING DEAD SERIOUS BECAUSE NO, I'VE, I'VE PUT IN LEGAL NOTICES BEFORE OF LIKE INCORPORATIONS OF THINGS OR WHATEVER, AND IT'S LIKE 10 BUCKS OR WHATEVER.
SO I, I'M SERIOUSLY ASKING
YOU NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RED FROM 40 TO 140 OR TWO 50.
IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF WHAT IT, WHAT IT IS.
SO ANYTHING, ANYTHING MORE THAT THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS? UH, D ON NUMBER FIVE? NO CHAIR.
UM, UH, ANYBODY ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION? OKAY.
I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE BEING CLEAR ON EVERYTHING IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE NEXT MEETING ON NOVEMBER 13TH.
I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEND IT OUT TO, I KNOW I'M AVAILABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS AVAILABLE, BUT, UM, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK.
I MAY HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THAT.
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEE IF THAT'S GONNA WORK, BUT I THINK WE WANT TO DO THE UPDATES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THE PARK, YOU KNOW, THE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR UPDATES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, IF WE CAN GET AN UPDATE TO, OR A LITTLE BIT MORE IDEA ABOUT THE HISTORIC RESOURCE RECOGNITION PROGRAM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, AND ALSO ON THE, UM, IF, IF WE CAN ALSO HAVE THE, THAT PLAQUE AGAIN PUT ON OUR, OUR, OUR AGENDA, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I SEE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMISSION SEE ANYTHING ELSE? NO.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD ON MY, UH, LIST AS WELL.
I DID WANNA ADD ONE MORE THING BASED UPON THE
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EMAIL THAT I HAD RECEIVED OF, UM, THE LOGO THAT WAS BEING YES.THROWN OUT THERE FOR THINK I BOB SENT IT AROUND.
UM, SO, UM, I DID GO THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND THERE, THERE IS NO PROBLEM IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE YOUR OWN LOGO.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO PUT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AS WELL, UH, TO DISCUSS AND POSSIBLY HAVE ACTION ON WHICH LOGO YOU'D LIKE.
AND BOB, YOU SENT THAT AROUND, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? WELL, LET'S, LET'S PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA TOO.
I WASN'T SURE, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I'VE DONE SOME OF THE ADVERTISING FOR THE CITY, SOMETIMES THEY SAY
THAT'S AVAILABLE TO BE SENT AROUND.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BECAUSE I DON'T YEAH, YEAH.
I, I SEND IT TO THE CITY, SO IF, IF YOU GUYS WOULD SEND IT AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEND IT TO THE CITY, BUT I DID SEND IT TO THE CITY AND YEAH, I SAID CITY.
SO IT'LL, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE, UH, OUT THERE.
SO WE DON'T NEED, HAVE A NEED FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO I THINK WE CAN, UM, ACTUALLY HAVE ADJOURNMENT AND WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT FIVE 20.
DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY?
OH, AND OH, WE GOT, UM, WE GOT, I GOT YOUR AD IN THE, UM, IN OUR PROGRAM.