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OKAY.SO LITERALLY ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS PUSH THAT AGAIN.
WE'LL PULL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, CAN YOU READ THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAYOR BLO.
AND WE GET THE EXTENSIVE INTERVIEW OF COLLEAGUE
DO YOU, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT GOING THROUGH ALL THESE QUESTIONS FOR A CURRENT COMMISSIONER? I DIDN'T THINK SO.
WELL, DATES TOUGH QUESTIONS, BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS BECAUSE I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
YOU, WELL, YOU'VE DONE A LOT BEFORE.
SO, UH, BUT WE WANT TO INTERVIEW YOU ANYWAY, JUST TO COURSE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF COURSE.
AND, UM, KATHY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK? YEAH, I, UM, THERE WAS A GENERAL FEELING THAT IT WASN'T NECESSARY TO INTERVIEW A SITTING MM-HMM.
AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO DO IT NOT ONLY TO SEE HOW YOU FELT SERVING ON THE COMMISSION, BUT THEN TO HAVE YOU STAND IN CONTRAST WITH THE OTHERS OF THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE INTERVENING.
JUST SO IT WAS A FULLY OPEN, YOU KNOW, I'M TRANSPARENT OF COURSE.
SO, UM, AND WE CAN WAIVE WHATEVER STANDARD QUESTIONS WE ASKED AND ASKED.
I HAD TWO THINGS IN MIND, COLLEAGUE.
UM, AND THE TIMES THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT CODE, I FELT LIKE WE GOT BOGGED DOWN IN SOME WEIRD PLACES.
BUT, UH, I KNOW PARTIALLY THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S LIKE, THAT'S THE WRONG WORDS.
UM, I KNOW PART OF IT IS BECAUSE OF THAT, RIGHT.
THE IDEA IS CODE IS SUPPOSED TO SHADOW THE COMMUNITY, UH, PLAN.
BUT IN MY, IN MY OPINION, OUR CODE, CURRENT CODE DOESN'T SHADOW OUR COMMUNITY PLAN FROM 10 YEARS AGO.
SO WHAT I'M, ONE OF THE REASONS I'M COMING BACK IS BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, AND THAT WAS MY SECOND QUESTION.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN COMMUNITY PLAN? WHAT AM I, I'M LOOKING THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
CAN WE DO A LOT OF THINGS IN PLANNING AND ZONING IN HOPES OF FIXING A LOT OF SERONA'S BIG PROBLEMS THAT ARE VERY BAND AIDY AND HONESTLY NOT THAT EFFECTIVE SINGLE PROJECTS.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE GREAT, RIGHT? BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE PROJECT BEHIND WALGREENS ISN'T GONNA FIX OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.
WELL, NOT, UM, BUT WHAT CAN REALLY MAKE AN IMPACT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEONE WHO HAS GONE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHO HAS DONE DEVELOPMENT IS, IS CODE REFORM, LIKE REAL, OUR CODE IS, IS BEEN UPDATED SINCE IT WAS ORIGINAL.
UM, I WOULDN'T CALL US A SUBURBAN COMMUNITY, BUT FOR SOME REASON OUR CODE LOOKS VERY SUBURBAN.
UH, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, LIKE, THAT WAS, THOSE WERE THE MAJOR REVISIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE LAST COMMUNITY MM-HMM.
THE ENTIRETY OF THE L D C WAS CHANGED AT THAT POINT.
THE, THE L D C WORDS DON'T ALWAYS ACTUALLY MATCH THE CODE.
THE, THE EXAMPLE I LIKE TO USE, AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE, IS IF YOU READ THE TOP OF THE PARKING CODE, IT'S LIKE, WE DON'T WANT TO PAVE EXTRA.
RIGHT? WE WANT THIS PLACE TO BE RURAL, WE WANT IT TO FEEL ACCESSIBLE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN YOU READ THE PARKING CODE AND IT'S INCREDIBLY STRINGENT AND ACTUALLY PRETTY HIGH IN THE NUMBERS OF PARKING WHEN, SO THERE'S SOME CONTRAST.
LIKE I'M, I HAVE NO DOUBT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE L D C PRIOR TO 20 YOUR SERVICE.
WELL, NO, I AM PRIOR TO MY SERVICE, BECAUSE I DEVELOPED, UM, BEFORE I WAS ON P N Z, BUT BEFORE IT WAS UPDATED WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN MM-HMM.
UM, BUT THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCIES.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MOTIVATED ME TO GET ON P N Z IS AS A, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING TO READ THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY PLAN, READ THE HEADERS IN THE L D C AND BE LIKE, THIS IS AMAZING.
AND THEN GET INTO CODE AND FEEL LIKE THOSE DON'T GO TOGETHER.
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SO CLEAR.IT'S SO, IT'S SUCH AN A, SUCH A DIFFERENT, BECAUSE OF VIBE FROM THE, THE INTRO TO THE, WE TEND TO WALK AWAY FROM PAVEMENT, RIGHT? NOT JUST, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RATIO, RIGHT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RA SURFACE.
BUT IN CURRENT CODE, PEOPLE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH SERVICE AND SURFACE, RIGHT? WE HAVEN'T UPDATED IT TO SAY NO MORE ASPHALT.
WE'RE JUST GENTLY, LIKE MAYBE NO MORE ASPHALT
UM, SO THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE IN CODE.
I THINK THERE WAS A SPEAKER AT ONE OF THE HOUSING, WAS IT ONE OF THE HOUSING MEETINGS OR ONE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN MEETINGS ABOUT MOVING TO A FORM-BASED CODE.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT LOOK OUR, LIKE OURS, ARE GOING TO FORM-BASED CODE AND THEY'RE HAVING A TON OF SUCCESS ENCOURAGING THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANT WITH IT.
WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THAT A LONG YEARS AGO.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS A FORM-BASED CODE? I'M MAYBE NOT THE BEST PERSON TO EXPLAIN IT.
UM, BUT IT REALLY, IT STOPS TAKING THESE FRINGE RULES, LIKE THE IF THEN RULES AND KIND OF MAKES IT LIKE, HERE ARE ALL OF THE WAYS THAT WE WANT OUR CITY TO LOOK LIKE.
AND IT'S MUCH MORE CONSISTENT AND MUCH SIMPLER.
AND I WILL SAY AS SOMEONE WHO'S WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, THAT IT'S NOT SIMPLE.
I'M VERY FORTUNATE TO BE MARRIED TO AN ENGINEER.
A, IT'S VERY, VERY HELPFUL
BUT I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AT THE TIME SAID THAT IT WAS NOT EASIER TO CODE THE FORM-BASED CODE.
IT WERE COMPLICATIONS EITHER WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS MM-HMM.
AND I'D SAY THAT SONOMA'S CHANGED A LOT IN 15 YEARS.
UM, AND SO IT IS, AND CURRENTLY IN, IN THE INDUSTRY, FROM WHAT I'M TOLD FROM PLANNERS, IT'S BEST PRACTICE, BUT THAT'S CHANGED IN THE LAST 5, 6, 7 YEARS, IS THAT BEST PRACTICE.
AND I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT SEDONA AND GOVERNMENT IS THIS WAY.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO MAKE CHANGE AND THAT'S FINE.
BUT PART OF THE REASON I GOT INVOLVED IS LIKE, I WAS FEELING REALLY FRUSTRATED.
UM, I WAS FEELING LIKE SEDONA MADE THINGS UNNECESSARILY HARD IN SOME WAYS.
AND I WANTED TO BE PART OF TRYING TO HELP, I WANTED YOUNG PEOPLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES I HAD, EVEN WITHOUT THE STUBBORNNESS AND THE, YOU KNOW, KNOWLEDGE OF THE TOWN THAT I HAVE.
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
I WISH I, I THOUGHT MY CONNECTIONS IN TOWN WERE GONNA HELP ME MORE WITH MY BUSINESS, AND THEY ENDED UP HELPING.
BUT
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, AND ONE OF THE REASONS I WANT TO STAY IS I WAS HOPING TO SEE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLAN RIGHT.
THE GOAL WAS, IT WAS DONE IN NOVEMBER.
WE, WELL, YOU'LL SEE IT NOW, RIGHT? BUT WE ALL, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA SEE THE FIRST DRAFT, WE'RE GONNA SEE THE DRAFT DRAFT NOW.
IF WE WERE VOTING ON IT, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN NOVEMBER.
KATHY WILL TELL YOU LAST TIME, I'M THREE AND A HALF YEARS HYPOTHETICALLY.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON IT, IT'S, THERE'S A HYPOTHETICAL WE'RE SUPPOSED, I'M SPEAKING IN HYPOTHETICAL.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS IS I'M HOPING THAT SEEING THE COMMUNITY PLAN, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THINGS, AND THERE'S SOME PEOPLE ON THAT GROUP THAT I REALLY, REALLY RESPECT.
UM, I'M HOPING YOU CAN HELP INFORM CODE, AND I'M HOPING WE'RE GONNA SEE A BUNCH OF CODE BECAUSE I AM THE NERD WHO LIKES THE CODE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I WANT TO COME BACK IS, IS COMMUNITY PLAN.
SO MAYBE WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING IT, YOU CAN BE TAKING SOME SIDE NOTES.
ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD BE INTER HOW DO WE MAKE THAT REAL? HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT IT? I WAS GONNA SUGGEST IF I'M APPOINTED AGAIN, MY, I WAS GOING TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION TO ASK FOR THOSE MEETINGS.
ONCE WE GET KIND OF THROUGH A LATE LATER VERSION OF THE, LIKE, CAN WE HAVE A MEETING WHERE ALL WE TALK ABOUT IS HOW TO IMPLEMENT INTO CODE? WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CHAIR COULD BRING UP.
RIGHT? AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR NEXT YEAR US.
BUT, BUT HOW WOULD THAT WORK WITH YOU, KATHY? DO YOU NEED YOU AND ANOTHER, UH, WELL, THAT'LL COME FROM STAFF.
IT WON'T COME FROM ME, BUT IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE LOGICAL OUTCOME.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HOPE FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE, THAT RELATE TO CODE CHANGE MM-HMM.
AND SO MARRYING THOSE IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE GET A LOT OF POLICY FROM THE TOP.
WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY POLICY.
BUT POLICY DRIVES CODE, BUT I TEND TO THINK BIG PICTURE.
NOW, IT'S A MATTER, AND THIS IS NOT A GOOD ANSWER.
BUT I THINK IF THEY HAD MORE STAFF, BUT IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT HIRING STAFF.
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OH, I, I WATCH, I MEAN, I'M FRIENDS WITH PEOPLE IN, IN THE CITY.I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT THE THING IS, IT'S PUSHED OUR CALENDAR WELL OFF.
I MEAN, THERE HASN'T BEEN THAT MANY MEETINGS SINCE I CAME BACK.
I FELT REALLY GOOD THAT DURING MY MATERNITY LEAVE, I ONLY MISSED TWO MEETINGS.
BUT ALSO IT'S NOT GREAT THAT I ONLY MISSED TWO MEETINGS.
I THINK HE'S TRYING TO TEMPER EXPECTATIONS HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A HUGE STAFF SHORTAGE.
AND, AND IT WILL BE STAFF DRIVEN.
UM, AND WELL, IT, IT HAS TO BE, BUT ALSO FOR THE FACT, I MEAN, IF YOU GO BACK IN TIME WHEN KATHY WAS ON STAFF, YOU HAD JOHN O'BRIEN WHO JUST FLEW THINGS BY, AND I MEAN, HE WAS JUST A GREAT MANAGER.
AND THEN YOU HAD KAREN WHO WAS SPLIT BETWEEN TWO JOBS, AND NOW YOU HAVE, UH, STEVE.
WELL, WE HAVE STEVE, AND HE'S JUST LEARNING TO GET THERE.
I LOVE, I THINK STEVE IS, I MEAN, I'VE ONLY INTERACTED WITH HIM AS A BUILDING OFFICIAL, BUT AS A BUILDING OFFICIAL, HE'S INCREDIBLY THOROUGH.
AND IT'S REALLY NICE TO WORK WITH SOMEONE INCREDIBLY COMPETENT.
UM, AND HE KNOWS THE CODES, HE KNOWS BUILDING CODES SUPER WELL, DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT CODES, BUT HE'S LEARNING THAT.
ALL OF THESE ARE IMPEDIMENTS THAT WE CAN'T GET PAST.
WE CAN'T, I MEAN, WE TRY, BEFORE WE POINT TO STEVE OR KAREN APPOINTED TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY TO COME IN, THERE'S NO INTEREST.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA GO TOO FAR OFF COURSE, BUT I WAS PUSHING OUT MY COLLEGE TO GIVE THESE COURSES MM-HMM.
AND YET IN THE VERDE VALLEY ALONE, EVERYBODY'S LOOKING, ALL FIVE, UH, CITIES AND TOWN ARE LOOKING FOR THESE PEOPLE AND THERE'S NOBODY TRAINING THEM.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET, DO GET THEM, THEY'RE RETIRED.
OR THEY'RE BRANDY BRAND NEW, BUT THEY'RE GONNA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND I THINK IT'S THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A STAFF DRIVEN PROJECT TO DO.
IT'S A GREAT PROJECT TO DO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO DO IT.
SO IS THIS THE WAY OF SAYING LIKE, IF I'M STAYING TO HELP CODE, I SHOULDN'T STAY? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
BECAUSE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO IT.
WELL, WE MAY NOT, BUT THAT'S UP TO THEM.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME.
ULTIMATELY, I THINK IF STEVE, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE REALLY ON COURSE WITH STEVE, BUT HE, HE HAS TO GET UP TO PAR AND HE'S, I DUNNO IF HE'S UP TO, UP TO, I FULLY STABBED THE ONE SHORT HE KICKS LOSING.
I MEAN, HE HAD MATT, HE HAD SOME PEOPLE, IF YOU REMEMBER MATT, UM, I FORGET WHAT HIS LAST NAME WAS.
SOME PEOPLE THAT HE HAD WERE INCREDIBLE MM-HMM.
THEY'RE YOUNG, YOUNGER ADULTS.
THEY, THEY COULDN'T FIND ANY MATCHES PERSONALLY.
YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT A WAY WE COULD FIX THAT IS CODE, MAKE THINGS MORE WALKABLE, ENCOURAGE YOUNG PEOPLE TO MOVE HERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE.
I HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS WHO HAVE MADE PLENTY OF MONEY AND LIVE VERY EXPENSIVE PLACES THAT CHOOSE TO LIVE REMOTELY.
LIKE I HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE MOVED TO ASPEN, BASALT, CARBONDALE, YOU KNOW, EXPENSIVE PLACES IN CALIFORNIA.
THEY'RE IN TECH, THEY'RE IN BIOMED.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE.
BUT WHAT THEY WANT IS THEY WANT WALK A QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE ENCOURAGE QUALITY OF LIFE DEVELOPMENT CODE, THERE'S A REASON I FEEL SO MUCH ABOUT I UNDERSTAND, BUT, AND I DON'T, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
MAYBE 80%, I DON'T AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, MAKE THINGS WALKABLE.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED MORE THAN THAT.
WE NEED PUBLIC SCHOOLS OR EVEN, UH, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T AFFECT PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
SO I'M TALKING NO, IT DOESN'T.
BUT THE POINT BEING IS, RIGHT NOW I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE NEW, UH, UH, C E O OF THE HOSPITAL, AND HE'S HAVING A TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUSLY DIFFICULT TIME HIRING MEDICAL STAFF.
THE SCHOOL SUCK BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
THEY'RE NOT PAYING THE TEACHERS ENOUGH.
BUT THEY CAN'T HIRE TEACHERS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE LOWEST OF SALARIES.
THE CHARTER SCHOOL ONLY WILL PUT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF KIDS IN.
IF THEY COULD PUT MORE AND HIRE MORE, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE.
THEY LOOK AT THE SCHOOLS AND SAY, SAY, HERE, I GET THAT.
I'M, I'M A PRODUCT OF THE SCHOOLS HERE.
THEY WERE FUNDED THE SAME WHEN I WAS THERE.
UM, I, I REMIND, TEACH, I REMIND PARENTS ALL THE TIME.
I HAVE TWO BACHELOR'S AND A MASTER'S DEGREE, AND I AM A PRODUCT.
BUT YOU ARE THE EXCEPTION IN MY UNDERSTANDING.
NO, I HAVE PLENTY OF FRIENDS WHO ARE HIGHLY EDUCATED THAT GRADUATED WITH ME.
BUT SOME OF THEM AS, AS THEY GET OLDER, ARE MOVING IN.
SO I, I WOULD, I KIND OF JUST WANNA, IF WE HAD CONTROL OVER THE SCHOOLS, I'D HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT THAT.
BUT, BUT WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T GET INVOLVED.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO, NO, WE WON'T.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, VERY SMART FIXES THAT PROBLEM FOR US AT THE STATE LEVEL.
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BUT, UH, OR MONEY SHOWS UP SOMEHOW MAGICALLY WE HIT OIL MONEY INTO CHARTER SCHOOLS AND HYDRO, WE HIT HYDROGEN.YOU MEAN HIT HYDROGEN, BRING IT BACK ON ON COURSE.
SO, I MEAN, THE, AND I GET, I GET NOT PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT ONE THING THAT I'VE FOUND IN MY THREE YEARS IS IF I DON'T PUSH GENTLY, AND, AND, AND THAT INCLUDES WITH ENCOURAGING STAFF, THAT INCLUDES TALKING TO MY FELLOW, FELLOW MEMBERS ON THE, IT'S LIKE, IT, IT WON'T, WE'LL STAY IN THE, IN THE CURRENT, BECAUSE ALL, WE'LL, IT'S REALLY EASY TO GET FOCUSED ON THE PROJECT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH IS REASONABLE.
WE SHOULD EVALUATE THE PROJECTS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
BUT IF THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING, WE'RE NOT MAKING IT BETTER.
AND SO MY HOPE WHEN I JOINED THREE YEARS AGO WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE CAN EVALUATE PROJECTS.
I WAS ACTUALLY HOPING TO SEE SOME REALLY COOL RADICAL PROJECTS, WHICH WE REALLY DIDN'T.
AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE CODE, THEY NEVER GET TO US, UM, ENOUGH BECAUSE THEY GET STUCK OTHER PLACES BEFORE THEY GET TO US.
UH, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REALLY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE BIGGER PICTURE THING THAT I WAS HOPING FOR.
UM, I'M PROUD OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE SAID YES TO, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE BANDAIDS.
AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT IF WE STAY ON AND WE CONTINUE THAT, SORRY, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TIME.
UM, THERE'S A CLOCK RIGHT THERE.
TALKING ABOUT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S GOOD TO, WELL, I I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE I, I HAVE NOT FOLLOWED YOUR VOTING STATUS.
BUT WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS OF THE CODE? UHHUH,
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? THAT TOO.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE FUNCTION ON, RIGHT? IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
BUT VERSUS YOUR OPINIONS ON THINGS, WHERE DO YOU GO? AND, UH, WHERE DO YOU LAND? DO YOU GO BY YOUR PERSONAL GUT FEELING WHEN YOU VOTE? AND I, AGAIN, I HAVE NO IDEA.
SO YEAH, IF, IF YOU COME TO ANY OF OUR MEETINGS, YOU'LL KNOW I REFER TO CODE A LOT.
UM, I ALSO TRY TO REFER TO THE, THE SPECIFIC PLANS YOU GUYS HAVE PASSED.
THE SUSTAINABILITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
AND THE OTHER ONE THAT I LIKE THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER RIGHT NOW,
UM, WHEN YOU GET, WHEN THE BABY TURNS 21, MAYBE YOU'LL, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
AND, AND IN GENERAL, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME SAYING YES TO PROJECTS THAT I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN, IT'S WITHIN THEIR RIGHT.
AND AS A DEVELOPER, I WOULD NEVER WANT SOMEONE TO SAY, I DON'T LIKE IT, SO YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT.
AND THAT'S, OR I NOT LETTING YOU DO THIS.
AND WHAT I MISSED A MEETING ABOUT SPA.
THAT'S, AND PETE CALLED ME AND HE SAID, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED? AND I SAID, WHO CALLED YOU? PETE? PETE.
PETE CALLED ME AND SAID, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE VOTE? NO, HE DIDN'T SAY IT IN THAT WAY.
HE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS, BUT LET'S, I'M SIMPLIFYING THE CONVERSATION.
UM, AND I SAID, IT'S IN YOUR RIGHT.
IT IS NOT MY DECISION TO SAY SOMETHING'S UGLY.
AND, AND IF IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, THEN WE SHOULD CHANGE THE CODE
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD THEM.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, CHANGE THE CODE.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S THE WHOLE FUNCTION.
WE'RE NOT AN ARCHITECTURAL BOARD.
CERTAIN CODES, WE CAN'T, WHEN IT COMES TO WATER USAGE, WE DON'T, WE CAN'T REALLY CHANGE THAT CODE FOR WATER EASILY.
BUT YOU COULD CHANGE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE IT HARDER.
AND THAT'S, AND AND THE FLIP SIDE, I THINK THERE'S THINGS WE NEED TO CHANGE.
I'M ALL ABOUT TO MAKE IT EASIER.
I'M MUCH MORE OPEN THAN CLOSE.
I'M ALL ABOUT, BECAUSE I THINK TO HONESTLY SAVE THE COMMUNITY FROM THIS MOMENT, PIVOTAL MOMENT, WE NEED TO BE IN, WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME RABBIT RADICAL DECISIONS NOW.
BECAUSE I SEE WHAT I TELL PEOPLE WHEN THEY DENSITY.
DENSITY, PLEASE DON'T BE AFRAID OF THE WORD DENSITY.
AND, AND WHAT I TELL PEOPLE, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, HAVE YOU BEEN TO WHOLE FOODS IN OCTOBER? YEAH.
WE'VE ALL BEEN TO WHOLE FOODS IN OCTOBER.
OR SAFELY, OR IT DOESN'T MATTER.
GROCERY STORE, IF WE CONTINUE, THIS IS THE BEST EXAMPLE, ACTUALLY, IS FINE.
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? YEAH.
SO BEST EXAMPLE I'VE TOLD PEOPLE IS LIKE, IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THE ROAD, WE ARE, ALL OF THOSE GROCERY STORES WON'T BE ABLE TO FUNCTION AT THE SAME TIME.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THERE WAS ONLY ONE? BECAUSE FOR THE SIZE OF OUR COMMUNITY, WE SHOULD PROBABLY ONLY HAVE ONE OR TWO.
CAN YOU IMAGINE? AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CONNECTION THAT PEOPLE FINALLY GET.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT HOUSING, WHEN I TALK ABOUT DENSITY, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS, IT'S NOT ABOUT HAVING LESS RESTAURANTS.
'CAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT LIKE, PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE HERE.
'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE SOME DISCONNECTION OF EMPATHY, WHATEVER.
IT'S LIKE, CAN YOU IMAGINE THE LINES AT THE GROCERY STORE IF WE ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO? AND THAT GETS PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE REALITY THAT WE'RE, THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR LOWEST PAY WORKERS.
IT'S JOBS THAT PEOPLE IN GENERAL DON'T LIKE.
WELL NOW THEY GET 20 BUCKS AN HOUR, BUT IT'S STILL LOW IN, IN HOSPITALITY LAND.
LIKE MY SERVERS, THEY WOULD NEVER GO WORK AT A GROCERY STORE.
HOW MUCH THEY, UH, LET'S NOT DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THE THING IS, AND, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I FIND INTERESTING, AND I'M NOT GONNA GIVE YOU THE NUMBER
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'CAUSE I THINK YOU SHARED IT WITH FEW ONCE, BECAUSE YOU'RE LOCAL MM-HMM.THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH OF A SCARCITY THAT EVERYBODY PAYS.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN YOU REALLY KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S NO THERE.
THE, THE CHANGE THROUGH COVID FIX THAT.
WHICH WHEN I FIRST OPENED I AGREE.
BUT NOW I THINK EVERYBODY IS PRETTY HONEST.
FORCED TO, FORCED, I WOULD SAY THAT I STILL PROVIDE MORE, UM, BENEFITS THAN MOST MOM AND POPS.
BUT IN GENERAL, LIKE, THERE'S STILL ALL THE HOTELS AND STUFF THAT CAN GET BETTER HEALTHCARE AND STUFF THAN I CAN.
SO GOING BACK, GETTING BACK ONTO TASK, UH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO, I HAVE A ZOOM IN LIKE 10 MINUTES, BUT OKAY.
I CAN ALWAYS WALK AND CALL IN TOO IF I NEED.
NO, WE CAN ALWAYS USE THE ROOM HERE IF YOU NEED TO.
HOLLY, IS THERE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FOLLOW UP THAT YOU'D LIKE TO, TO WELL, I, I, I WAS, THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS TOO.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TELL US MM-HMM.
I MEAN, I TALK TO SCOTT SOMEWHAT REGULARLY AND YEAH.
AND I USED, I WAS JUST, WE HAD JUST HAD AN X, Y, Z CALL TWO DAYS AGO.
'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO
UM, I USED TO BE AT EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I CAN'T FATHOM ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BABY.
I AM, MY BUSINESS IS JUST DIFFERENT.
UH, BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK THE THING I WANNA SAY IS LIKE THIS, THIS CHANGE IS THAT I THINK IS COMPLETELY NECESSARY.
NOT ANYTHING SPECIFIC HAS TO BE FAST, RADICAL, AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE P****D, BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE P****D NO MATTER WHAT.
LIKE, THAT'S, THAT IS SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED IN PLANNING, IN PLANNING AND ZONING.
LIKE THERE IS NO WAY TO EVER MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, WHICH IS LIKE HE DOES, KATHY MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY.
I CAN'T EVEN GET TO THAT LEVEL.
BUT I MORE MEAN LIKE PROPOSED PROJECTS, PROPOSED CODE CHANGE, PROPOSED DENSITY, PROPOSED ANYTHING.
UM, THE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN WHO ARE VERY LOUD, HAVE A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF MONEY.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SUPPORT THESE PROJECTS, WHO ARE USUALLY LIKE CLOSER TO MY COUNTERPARTS, DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME MM-HMM.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THE FACT.
AND SO IT'S MY HOPE THAT IN THIS POSITION AND MY ELECTED GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS KNOW THAT THEY CAN TAKE THE BURN BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
NOT BECAUSE IT'S THE POPULAR THING TO DO.
AND POPULAR BEING AIR QUOTES, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM DON'T NECESSARILY SPEAK FOR EVERYONE.
THE PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET DON'T NECESSARILY SPEAK FOR EVERYONE.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW, I THINK YOU KNOW THAT.
BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY, AND I HATE THE TEXT MESSAGES I GOT AFTER JORDAN LOFTS ALMOST HAD ME QUIT P N Z BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO HAD KNOWN ME MY ENTIRE LIFE WHO WERE SENDING INCREDIBLY HURTFUL THINGS ABOUT JORDAN LOFTS.
AND I WAS LIKE, ONE, I READ 700 PAGES FOR THIS MEETING AND GAVE FIVE HOURS.
LIKE, YOU WANNA GET UP ON THIS DIOCESE WITH ME VOLUNTEER.
THAT WAS BRUTAL FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS.
BUT LIKE, IT'S, AND AND PART OF THE DECISION OF NOT QUITTING AFTER THAT WAS LIKE, NO, THAT'S THE REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE I VOTED IN THE WAY THAT I THOUGHT WAS THE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY AND MET THE CODE EXPERIENCE.
UM, AND SO, AND I LOST, I LOST BUSINESS.
I HAD A HANDFUL OF REGULARS WHO CANCELED THEIR MEMBERSHIPS AND HAVE NOT COME BACK.
THIS IS, I MEAN, THERE IS, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DOWNSIDE FOR ME SITTING.
I HAVE NOT FOUND AN UPSIDE YET OTHER THAN PEOPLE SAY, BUT YOU REAPPLIED.
I WANNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON DENSITY.
I WANNA, I WANNA MAKE THE HARD DECISIONS.
I WANNA SAY YES TO THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO, TO DO.
I WENT OUT TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE.
I THINK YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC IS MIKE CALLED ME NEXT.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE SERVICE, BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO GET ANY YESES OUT THERE FOR ONE OTHER VACANCY.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY STRATEGY FOR THAT.
UM, I THINK PART OF IT IS A TIME COMMITMENT, AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
FOR WHICH POSITION? FOR THE OTHER OPENING OR FOR THE ONE OF THE OPENINGS.
UM, I THINK PART OF IT IS A TIME COMMITMENT.
I THINK THE PEOPLE, AT LEAST THE ONE I KNOW YOU REACHED OUT TO, WAS A GOOD CHOICE BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE.
UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY SMART.
I TRIED TO, I WORKED FOR YOU
UH, AND I THINK PART OF IT IS JUST SO MANY DECISIONS ARE MADE, WHETHER IT'S BY US OR BY COUNSEL THAT AREN'T IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PEOPLE MY AGE AND YOUNGER, THAT, THAT THEY'RE PRETTY DISHEARTENED, BUT WE KNOW, WE NEVER HEAR FROM THEM TO SAY, IF YOU DID THIS, IT WOULD IMPACT US IN A POSITIVE WAY.
X, Y, Z USED TO BE THERE AND DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
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A LOT OF ADVICE FROM, BUT NOT IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.SO X, Y, Z FELL OFF WHEN MARCY GOT A REAL JOB AND I HAD A BABY
BUT WE ARE, WE ARE REBUILDING.
AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, TUESDAYS AT FOUR 30, FOR ANYONE WHO WORKS, BASICALLY ANY JOB IN THIS TOWN ISN'T AN ACCESSIBLE TIME.
UM, KEEPING UP WITH THE SCHEDULE IS HARD.
I ONLY DO IT OUT OF HABIT AT THIS POINT.
UH, I AM AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
OUR MEETING STARTED, I HAD BABY WHEN I FIRST SERVED.
AND SO, AND MY HUSBAND SITS ON THE LIBRARY BOARD, AND THAT CONSUMES EVERY MOMENT OF HIS NON-EXISTENT, UM, TIME.
SO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE HIM WHO MIGHT BE THE PERSON WHO WOULD SAY HE WASN'T CONNECTED TO ME, HE MIGHT BE THE PERSON TO SHOW UP TO THOSE MEETINGS, HAS MADE OTHER COMMITMENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I THINK IF WE SHOW PEOPLE OUR AGE THAT WE'RE ACCESSIBLE, THAT CAN MAKE, THAT CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
CAN, BUT X, Y, Z CAN HELP A LOT WITH THAT.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
BUT WE, OUR PHOENIX STARTED AT FOUR 30.
THEY USUALLY GO TO EIGHT OR NINE.
OH, I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S A THIRD SOLUTION.
WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF THERE WAS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA MM-HMM.
LIKE IF YOU'RE WORKING A D DINNER SHIFT, YOU'RE WORKING THREE TO 10.
SO LIKE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO ROOM.
BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT I'M HEARING, EXCEPT FROM A FEW SELECT PEOPLE SUCH AS YOU WHO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO US MM-HMM.
I'M HEARING, WELL, JUST DON'T DEVELOP THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER WHEN IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL.
WELL, THAT JUST MEANS THEY'RE UN UNEDUCATED IN THE PROCESS.
AND THAT'S OUR, THAT THAT CAN BE OUR JOB TO HELP.
BUT IT'S, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY VISION.
AND YOU CAN EDUCATE SOMEONE TO MAX LEVEL YOUR LEVEL.
A LOT OF, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT LEVEL, BUT MOST DON'T, THEIR ONLY ANSWER IS DON'T DEVELOP SEDONA.
BRING IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO A VERY SPECIFIC CROWD THAT, THAT SUPPORTED YOUR, UH, COUNTERPART BECAUSE SHE HAD A LOT OF, OR IT'S NOT YOUR COUNTERPART, YOUR, UH, OPPONENT.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA PUSH MY MEETING.
LET ME SEND A TEXT MESSAGE MY MEETING.
WELL, I'LL TELL THEM I'M GONNA BE LATE, BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL HERE.
THOSE PEOPLE WERE HERE BEFORE SAMIR
AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE, LIKE I SAID, NOT EVERYONE'S EVER ALWAYS GOING TO BE HAPPY.
AND HONESTLY, MOST OF, FROM MY EXPERIENCE.
I TOLD 'EM I WAS GONNA RELATE LATE, UM, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HATE A PROJECT UNTIL IT'S IN PLACE AND USABLE.
AND THEN THEY'LL BE LIKE, THIS IS THE BEST THING THAT'S EVER HAPPENED TO ME.
SO I'VE BEEN, I KNOW THAT SEDONA GO IS GONNA GO DOWN DRY CREEK AND IT'S GONNA TOUCH MY PROPERTY AND MY DAD'S PROPERTY.
I HAVE BEEN PREPPING MY DAD FOR THEM TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON THE BOTTOM OF HIS FOR YEARS NOW, BECAUSE I'M LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE.
WHEN THEY DID THE SEWER, HE LOST LIKE FIVE FEET AND HE'S STILL UPSET ABOUT IT.
AND SO I'M LIKE, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE PART OF THE BOTTOM OF YOUR PROPERTY AND IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.
AND HE'S LIKE, AND HE'S, HE WAS FURIOUS THE FIRST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
BUT US IN THE POSITION OF KNOWING THINGS CAN STILL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION KNOWING THAT SURE.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE P****D FOR LIKE, THE EARLY PART OF THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT, KNOWING THAT IF IT DOES MAKE SEDONA BETTER AND WE'RE NOT TOTALLY MESSING.
OH, SANDBOARDING WAS HILARIOUS.
IT WAS SUPER VICIOUS IN A, YEAH.
I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA KEEP YELLING, KEEP IT EMPTY, BUT I THINK IF WE WANT TO SAVE OUR COMMUNITY, WE DON'T GET TO KEEP IT EMPTY.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT, I'M REALLY SORRY.
BUT MAYBE YOU NEED TO MOVE SOMEWHERE MORE RURAL THAT DOESN'T GET 4 MILLION TOURISTS A YEAR.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE THE WHOLE TIME AND YOU WANT IT TO STILL BE RURAL, I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND ANYWHERE THAT'S WORTH LIVING.
THERE'S MORE HUMANS ON THE PLANET THAN EVER.
AND WE HAVE TO COPE AND WE HAVE TO ADJUST.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE COMFY FOR ANYBODY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SO I, I HEAR YOU.
THERE ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI-DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY'RE NOT ONLY IN YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC PLACES.
I MEAN, THE CENSUS CAME OUT, THE AVERAGE MOVED UP TO 70.
THERE'S NOT THE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHO TALKS AT OUR MEETINGS.
DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO YOUR MEETINGS? ONLY.
ONLY THEY ALL COME TO OUR MEETINGS.
BUT KATHY CALLS THEM BETTER THAN I DO.
YOU DO KEEP THE ROOM PRETTY MELLOW.
UM, SO I, YOU ARE AN EXCELLENT, YOU ARE CHAIRPERSON, SO I, OH YEAH.
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REASON I WANT TO COME BACK IS TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE ANGRY BECAUSE I THINK I WANNAIT'S IN THE INTENTION OF TRYING TO MAKE THE RIGHT CODE DECISION.
PART OF THIS IS A, IS A, I WANNA MAKE THE DECISION THAT I THINK IS BEST FOR SEDONA, BUT IT HAS TO MEET CODE.
SO I, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT CODE, WHICH NEEDS TO MEET THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, SO WE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS OVER HERE AND I HAVE TO WORK OVER HERE.
BUT THAT'S WHY I'M COMING BACK IS BECAUSE I WANT TO GO THAT WAY.
AND BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE, AND IT'S 10 YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LIKE ME WILL BE LIKE, THIS CODE IS AWFUL.
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? NO, I BET YOU'RE GONNA SAY THIS CODE IS AWESOME.
BUT IF WE CAN FIX IT A LITTLE BIT TO ALLOW SOME DENSITY AND ALLOW SOME CREATIVE DEVELOPMENTS, INNOVATION ONE, THIS PLACE WILL BE SO COOL.
THAT WOULD BE, BUT THERE'S ONLY SOMEONE'S GONNA SAY THEY'RE GONNA HATE IT THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE.
THEY SHOULD BE IN THE ROOM IF THEY WANT, IF THEY WANNA INFORM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, COME TO THE ROOM.
BE EDU COMPANY WOULD BE EDUCATED.
BUT, BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST STARTED COMING, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING.
WELL, I KNEW MY EXPERIENCES AS WELL.
GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN.
YOU HAD, WHAT WAS HER NAME? UH, NOT SEVERE, THE OTHER WOMAN.
I THOUGHT YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SHORT HAIR.
SHE WAS A, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN GOING TO COLLEGE FOR HER WHOLE CAREER.
SHE HAD ALL THESE WEIRD IDEAS.
NOT A CLUE HOW ANYTHING WORKED.
WELL, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, I KNOW THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE'RE GETTING AND THAT'S, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST US.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A SEDONA ISSUE.
I DO THINK WE HAVE MORE MONEY THAN SOME AVERAGE.
AND SO YOU GET SOME LITTLE DIFFERENCES HERE AND THERE BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S ABNORMAL FOR PEOPLE.
LIKE, I MEAN, THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAD TRUE CITY GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE ON YOUR GUYS' COUNCIL WAS PETE'S A.
SO IT'S LIKE, NOT SAYING YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT TRUE.
BUT WHEN YOU COME TO LITTLE SMALL TOWNS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING IN THOSE POSITIONS OF POWER AREN'T THE PEOPLE WHO NECESSARILY WENT TO COLLEGE FOR PLANNING OR EXACTLY.
LUCKILY YOU ALL TAKE THE TIME AND GET THE EXPERIENCE AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND WHEN IT COMES, I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS ABOUT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION OF STAFF HERE.
UM, MOST OF IT IS PAY MORE, BUT NOT ALL OF IT.
WELL, WE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO TIME, SO WE'RE OVER YOUR TIME.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR THE ARIZONA CRAFT BREWERS GUIL.
THEY, THEY, THEY'RE PROBABLY STILL LIKE, HOW DO WE GET THE, IS EVERYBODY HERE?
DO MEATY IN YOUR GROUP? NO, THAT'S WINE.
SO BEER, BEER HAS TO HAVE GRAIN IN IT.
AND THEN WHY HUNT HONEY IS ACTUALLY A VERY WEIRD ME DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHEN IT COMES TO LAWS.
SO I, BUT TECHNICALLY THEY'RE WINE.
BUT I KNOW SERGIO PRETTY WELL BECAUSE HE SELLS ME GRAIN FROM, HE, HE'S A MAJOR INVESTMENT IN, IN SON.
AND BY PRETTY WELL, I MEAN, I EMAILED HIM A HANDFUL OF TIMES AND HE IS THE REASON THAT WE'RE GETTING MALT AGAIN FROM CAMP VERDE, WHICH IS GREAT.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T GET IT FOR LIKE EIGHT MONTHS BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY WERE UPGRADING.
HE INVESTED A BUNCH OF MONEY AND THEY BUILT THIS INCREDIBLE NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY, UM, IN CAMP VERDE.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING, SERGIO SPECIFICALLY IS DOING SOME INCREDIBLY COOL DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, YEAH, HE'S, I MEAN HE'S REALLY INVESTING IN CAMP VERDE.
'CAUSE CAMP VERDE HAS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
I WANNA CONTINUE TOO FAR, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY OVER TIME.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, IN CLOSING QUICKLY, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA JUST UPDATE WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SHARED WITH US? NO, I THINK THAT WE GOT MORE INTO IT THAN I THOUGHT WE WOULD
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S BECAUSE THAT YOU ARE AN EXISTING COMMISSIONER.
BUT WE WILL NOT DO THAT WITH, I REMEMBER MY FIRST INTERVIEW.
I, SO I HAD TO DO IT WITH SANDY.
I GUESS IT WAS SANDY AND KATHY, AND I DON'T THINK YOU WERE THERE.
I THINK IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION THEN IT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, UH, MARTINEZ COULD HAVE BEEN.
NO, I, IT WAS, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK IT WAS, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I THINK IT WAS ONLY MAYBE TWO OF US.
AND BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE US TWO FOR THE, FOR THE COUNCIL AND THEN THE CHAIR.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN YOU, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER
IT WASN'T IN THE ROOM OVER THERE.
SORRY TO PUT YOU THROUGH THIS.
NO, I'M, I'M, I FEEL SHE'S GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF GOING ON.
OF COURSE, WE AGREE WITH TALKING.
I MAKE, AND I MAKE TIME FOR THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND BECAUSE CODES ARE IMPORTANT.
AND I, AND IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN I PUSH A ROCK UPHILL.
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PUSHING.JUST REMEMBER YOU HAVE A CHAIN OF COMMAND NOT TO ALL STAFF, RIGHT? YOU HAVE OH, I NEVER TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT, OKAY.
SOMETHING JUST SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT WORK, WORKING WITH STAFF.
EARLY IN CONVERSATION IN OUR MEETING, WORKING WITH STAFF.
AND, AND THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I BROUGHT UP IS LIKE, I KNOW HOW AGENDAS WORK, RIGHT? LIKE, IF I WANT SOMETHING ON AN AGENDA, I'VE GOTTA, I, I DON'T JUST GO BE LIKE, PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT MY PLACE.
UM, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER GONE OUT OF MY CHAIN OF COMMAND WHEN IT COMES TO.
AND I'M SURE KATHY WOULD TELL ME, EVER DID
AND YOU WOULD FEEL WARMTH AND COMFORT.
LET ME KNOW WHEN A B S DECIDES TO STOP HATING, HATING ME.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT INCREDIBLY ABNORMAL.
I THINK YOU GAVE ME YOUR CARD TOO.
'CAUSE YOU'RE IN REAL ESTATE, RIGHT? WELL, ACTUALLY 14 YEARS ON PLANNING AND ZONING TOO, SO I SAW THAT.
DO YOU GO BY BILL? BILL? YEAH.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE INTERVIEWING, UH, WILLIAM, UH, BILL ROWE.
AND, UH, WE'RE ALL GOING TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, WHY DON'T WE START WITH THE, UH, ICEMAN? NO, I'LL GIVE YOU A SOFTBALL
WHY DID YOU APPLY FOR THIS POSITION? UM, WELL, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN PLANNING AND ZONING.
UM, I'VE BEEN A REAL ESTATE BROKER FOR 30 YEARS.
UH, I SPENT 14 YEARS, UM, IN MICHIGAN.
PLANNING AND ZONING ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.
WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE HAVE A ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
SO THEY'RE TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTITIES, BUT ONE PERSON ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION HOLDS BOTH SEATS.
AND THAT WAS THE SEAT THAT I HELD FOR 14 YEARS.
IT JUST DIDN'T MER THEM TOGETHER, YOU KNOW? AND IT IS SEPARATE FROM WHERE I CAME FROM TOO, BUT AMAZED ME BEING HERE.
IT'S FROM ONE TIME, IT'S STREAMLINED.
WELL, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S VERY NICE.
I MEAN, IN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN MICHIGAN, UM, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IS THE QUASI-GOVERNMENTAL OR, OR JUDICIAL BODY ACTUALLY, THAT'S HERE.
UM, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE BASICALLY ADVISED THE, THE, UH, TOWNSHIP BOARD MM-HMM.
AND I'M SURE THEY'LL ASK ALL THOSE QUESTIONS TOO.
BUT, UH, UM, IT'S FASCINATING TO ME.
IT'S SOMETHING I'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED.
I LIKE TO HELP OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I'VE BEEN COMING TO SEDONA FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS AND RETIRED HERE TWO YEARS AGO.
SO WHAT PART OF THE CITY DO YOU LIVE IN? UH, FOOTHILL SOUTH.
GUESS YOU GET AWAY WITH MORE THINGS.
HOW MANY YEARS WERE YOU VISITING HERE? DID YOU SAY 2030.
IT STARTED COMING HERE IN THE MID NINETIES.
WHEN WE MOVED HERE TWO YEARS AGO, I, IT WASN'T LIKE A NEW CITY TO US, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
UM, WHAT SKILLS DID YOU BRING TO THE, UH, COMMISSION WHEN YOU WERE SERVING? UM, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY, UH, JUST MY REAL ESTATE BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, UM, I'VE SPENT MY ENTIRE LIFE DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC.
STARTING AT AGE 11, I STARTED WORKING AT A RETAIL STORE AT 11, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, WENT FROM THAT TO REAL ESTATE FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, AND AGAIN, SPENT 14 YEARS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING TABLE.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SOMETIMES I WAS A REPRESENTING CLIENT ON ONE SIDE OF THE TABLE.
SO, SO YOU, WOULD YOU RECUSE YOURSELF TO BE AN APPLICANT? OH, YEAH.
I, I WOULD RECUSE MYSELF IF WERE, IF IT WERE AN ISSUE THAT I HAD A CLIENT INVOLVED IN.
KATHY, YOU WANNA GO TO PUT, UH, QUESTION TWO? YES.
I'M LOST WITHOUT MY GLASSES TOO.
SO I CHALLENGE, UM, ARE WE GOING FROM A LIST? YES.
WE DIDN'T WITH THE LAST CANDIDATE WHO'S INCUMBENT, SO.
JUST WANT TO SEE WHERE WE ARE ON HERE.
UM, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR THINGS SUCH AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, AND COMPLIANCE
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WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, AND PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU BRING TO THE ION? I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT.
I THINK YOU, YEAH, I MEAN, I, CAN I SKIP TO THREE
WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO TAKE OFF THAT BEFORE.
YOU DO ALLOW ME, DO YOU, HAVE YOU READ OUR CODES, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMMUNITY PLAN? I HAVE NOT.
I, I, I STATED IN MY APPLICATION THAT I HAD NOT.
UM, I CERTAINLY WILL IF I'M APPOINTED, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, I DIDN'T.
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH IT ALL.
I HELP YOU WITH SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS ANSWER.
AND AS A PIGGYBACK ON THAT, DID YOU ATTEND ANY OF OUR MEETINGS OR WE'LL WATCH 'EM ON ZOOM OR ON WHATEVER WE HAVE? NO, I HAVE NOT.
WE, SO YOU HAVEN'T OBSERVED US? NOT YET.
WE, UH, WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME RENOVATING A HOUSE HERE AND, AND ACTUALLY HAVE MOVED THREE TIMES WITHIN THE AREA IN THE LAST 24 MONTHS.
BUT NOW, UH, WE'RE SETTLED INTO FOOTHILLS.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, NOW LIFE IS, THERE'S A LOT MORE TIME FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.
THAT'S, HAVE YOU EVEN CALLED OUT? OH, MANY TIMES.
DONE RESCUES, DONE RECOVERIES.
I'M CERTIFIED IN WILDERNESS FIRST AID, SO.
ALRIGHT, LET ME GO TO, UH, QUESTION THREE.
AND WE HAVE A RULE BOOK TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND COMING FROM A REAL ESTATE BACKGROUND, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, IS KIND OF NEAR AND DEAR.
UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM.
I MEAN, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE CITY CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY.
AND IT'S HARD TO SUSTAIN A COMMUNITY WHEN YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN A WORKFORCE, YOU KNOW, AND NOT JUST SUSTAIN THEM, BUT HAPPILY, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE FOR YOUR WORKFORCE, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY PERSONALLY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN.
SHORT TERM RENTALS OBVIOUSLY ARE AN ISSUE.
I COME FROM A SMALL TOWN IN MICHIGAN CALLED SAUGATUCK.
THAT'S RIGHT ON LAKE MICHIGAN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A RESORT COMMUNITY, VERY SIMILAR TO SEDONA, MUCH SMALLER, BUT YOU KNOW, VERY SIMILAR IN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AROUND HERE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE CALIFORNIA LICENSE PLATES AND SAUGATUCK, IT WAS ALL ILLINOIS LICENSE PLATES, ALL
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE STATE HAS PRETTY SEVERELY LIMITED WHAT LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES CAN DO, UM, VERY SEVERELY.
I MEAN, WE HAD SIMILAR THINGS IN MICHIGAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE MY PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WE WERE TASKED WITH DOING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR SAND MINES.
A SAND MINE BY STATE LAW IS A PERMITTED USE IN AN, IN AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE.
SO OF COURSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT FOLKS WHERE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY FIND OUT THERE'S GONNA BE A 300 ACRES SAND MINE BEHIND THEIR HOUSE, YOU KNOW? AND IT'S TOUGH THINGS TO DEAL WITH.
YOU KNOW, THERE AGAIN, STATE LAW HAD OUR HANDS COMPLETELY TIED.
I MEAN, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT LIGHTING, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ENTRANCES AND EXITS AND NOISE LIMITATIONS, AND, BUT YOU CAN'T STOP IT, YOU KNOW? SO, BILL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
I'VE JUST HEARD EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT BEING A REALTOR AND ALL MAKES VERY GOOD SENSE TO ME.
THEY SEEM TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE, AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE A PROBLEM, AND THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT OUR HOUSING CRISIS IS A CRISIS.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT LICENSED TO SELL REAL ESTATE IN ARIZONA.
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GETTING A LICENSE IN ARIZONA.
I STILL OWN MY OFFICE, BUT MY BUSINESS PARTNER RUNS IT, YOU KNOW, UH, IN MICHIGAN.
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I, I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THAT FIGHT HERE,AND DON'T INTEND TO, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BUT MY QUESTION BEING IS IT SEEMS THAT YOU COULD BE IMPARTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SINCERITY MM-HMM.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T FOLLOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS WITH 1350 AND SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I, I, I AM FAMILIAR WITH, SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR.
SO, BUT SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT YOU CAN BE IMPARTIAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET.
YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN PERSONAL VIEWS, BUT IF THE CODE IS THE CODE, I MEAN, SOME, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS AS A CITY TO SORT OF STEM THE TIDE A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE HAVE REALTORS TELLING US, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE STATE ORDINANCES AND WE'RE GONNA SUE YOU IN THE MEANTIME.
THEY HAVEN'T FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH ANY OF IT.
SO TO ME, IT'S, I WANT SOMEBODY, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER TWO PEOPLE HERE OR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL THAT WOULD BE VOTING TO SUPPORT YOU.
AND I THINK THE REST ARE, BUT I'M NOT ASKING THAT.
SO, AND, AND I DO PRIDE MYSELF ON BEING IMPARTIAL, YOU KNOW, UM, I MEAN, IN, IN MY 14 YEARS ON BOTH PLANNING AND ZONING, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF HARD DECISIONS TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, AND I HATE TO, YOU KNOW, BREAK IT DOWN IN THE SIMPLEST OF TERMS, BUT AS I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE A RULE BOOK AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULE BOOK.
THERE IS, THERE ARE SOME, AND THERE'S INTERPRETATIONS.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE ABOUT INTERPRETATIONS TOO, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF PLAN, UH, PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS AND ZONING ADMINISTRATORS, UM, AGAIN, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE, YOU KNOW? UM, AND, UH, I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.
I COME FROM, YOU KNOW, A SMALL COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, I, I WASN'T A, ON A PLANNING COMMISSION IN NEW YORK CITY, IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A TOWNSHIP OF 5,500 PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAD, IT WAS 95% FARM COMMUNITY, AND THEN THE RICH LAKE SHORE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY DIFFERENT SOCIOECONOMIC GROUPS THAT YOU DEALT WITH, WITH, UM, AND, AND VERY DIFFERENT FEELINGS, YOU KNOW, UM, FROM BOTH OF THOSE DIFFERENT GROUPS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WERE THEY VERY PASSIONATE? SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE GET REALLY, WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL, AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF INTENSITY ON BOTH SIDES, THE LOSING SIDE WILL NOT GIVE UP IN MANY INSTANCES.
BUT EVEN IF THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO, THEY, THEY ARE REALLY UGLY AND NEGATIVE IN THEIR COMMUNICATION WITH US.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU I'VE RECEIVED HATE MAIL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THING THAT I PRIDE MYSELF ON, NOT LOSING SIGHT OF IS WE ARE A COMMUNITY.
WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ONE RULE BOOK.
YOU KNOW? AND, AND IF YOU DON'T, WE HAVE SEVERAL RULE BOOKS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS AND NATURAL CODES.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S PRINTED MATERIAL THAT TELLS US, YOU KNOW, THE RULES THAT WE PLAY BY, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THOSE RULES, YOU NEED TO WORK TO CHANGE THE RULES.
NOT JUST SAY, I DON'T LIKE IT.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.
YOU KNOW? AND, AND YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY TIME, I MEAN, WE CHANGED SEVERAL CODES AND ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST WEREN'T WORKING FOR THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS APPLIED FOR SOMETHING UNDER THE CURRENT CODES AND THEN YOU GO FORWARD AND CHANGE THAT CODE, WELL, THEY'VE ALREADY APPLIED.
SO AT LEAST IN MICHIGAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE JUDGED UNDER THE RULES AT THE TIME THEY APPLIED.
NOT THE RULES THAT HAVE CHANGED AFTERWARDS.
AND UNLESS SOMETHING'S DIFFERENT HERE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT, WELL, NO, WHAT IF THOSE RULES WERE IN EFFECT 10 YEARS AGO AND THEY HAVEN'T MOVED THEIR APPLICATION FORWARD? DOESN'T EXPIRE EVERY YEAR.
OH, IN MICHIGAN IT EXPIRED EVERY YEAR.
THEY, TO RENEW IT, BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRES IN A YEAR.
SITE, THEIR PROPOSALS, SITE PLAN APPROVALS EXPIRE IN A YEAR IN MICHIGAN.
SO THE PROJECT'S IN THE QUEUE.
AND AS HOLLY SAID, WE'VE GOT ONE THAT'S BEEN IN THE QUEUE FOR 10 YEARS.
WELL, MAYBE THE RULE BOOK NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
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AND SO THE QUESTION IS UNDER WHICH RULES? WELL, IF, IF, IF THERE WAS NO CAP AT THE TIME THEY APPLIED, THEN THE RULES AT THE TIME THEY APPLIED.WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, I MEAN, YEAH.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ALRIGHT, SO VICE MAYOR, YOU WANNA DO NUMBER FIVE TO FORWARD, UM, SO DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN AT ALL? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? I KNOW ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN, YEAH.
UM, AND, AND I WILL, OF COURSE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD COMMUNITY PLANS THAT, THAT, UH, WE HAD TO REVIEW AND, AND, UH, EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GO OVER.
UM, SO I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH OURS IS 10 YEARS AND IT'S IN THE PROCESS NOW OF BEING UPDATED.
SO IT WILL COME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN DECEMBER, WE GET OUR FIRST DRAFT.
THAT'S NOT THREE YEARS, NOT THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS ANYWAY.
UM, WHO'S COUNTING YOU? YEAH, I CAN.
SO, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE? YES.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE ARIZONA OPEN MEETING WALLS? I'M NOT, BUT MICHIGAN HAS OPEN MEETING LAWS TOO, SO I SO COULD, COULD YOU TOUCH ON WHAT THAT WAS THERE TO SEE IF WE CAN CORRESPOND HERE? WELL, PROPER NOTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE NOTIFIED.
I THINK WE HAD 14 DAYS, YOU KNOW, IT HAD TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER AND SO ON.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT END OF IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, THE PLANNING.
BUT AS FAR AS, UH, OPEN MEETINGS MM-HMM.
I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, THINGS LIKE DO YOU, ARE ALL YOUR MEETINGS OPEN? DO YOU ACTUALLY MAKE DECISIONS IN PUBLIC? YES.
THE ONLY TIME THE MEETING WAS CLOSED IS IF IT WAS A LEGAL ISSUE AND COUNCIL WAS PRESENT AND WE WERE DISCUSSING AN ONGOING LEGAL ISSUE.
AND THEN IT WAS CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC FOR THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING.
WHAT ABOUT AS FAR AS THE QUORUM? LIKE, YOU HAVE A COMMISSION OF SEVEN PEOPLE, RIGHT? OKAY.
YOU CAN ONLY TALK TO ONLY TWO OTHERS ABOUT ANYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON.
I ONLY TALKED IN PUBLIC MEETINGS.
ONLY, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY WOULD CALL ME UP OR SAY, HEY, LET'S GO HAVE A BEER OR WHATEVER, WE TALKED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I WOULDN'T EVEN DO A ONE-ON-ONE.
I JUST, I WHY, WHY PUT YOURSELF IN HARM'S WAY AND THAT'S FINE.
BUT HERE WE, WE ARE ALLOWED TO TALK TO TWO OTHERS.
MAYBE SOMETHING YOU NEED ADVICE ON.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DIDN'T, I I JUST DID.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD RATHER DO EVERYTHING IN PUBLIC OR, OR SIT DOWN WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WITH ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, OR, AND THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE OF THE Z B A, THERE WERE ONLY THREE OF US INITIALLY.
UM, AND IF I WANTED TO DISCUSS SOMETHING, I'D SIT DOWN WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WITH THAT OTHER PERSON.
SO, KATHY, YOU UP, I WANNA CATCH UP ON A FEW THINGS.
UH, YOU SERVED FOR 14 YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WHAT, WHEN WAS THAT? WHAT WERE THOSE YEARS? WELL, I LEFT IN HOW RECENT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE? YEAH.
I, I LEFT IN 21 WHEN, WHEN WE MOVED HERE.
AND WHEN I LEFT, I WAS, AGAIN, THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES, AND I WAS THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, AND I WAS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND, UH, I JUST WROTE A NOTE FOR MYSELF.
I DON'T HAVE YOUR APP IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PNCS ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE YOUR EXPERIENCES WAS DIFFERENT THAN OURS.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO JUST GIVE YOU THIS TINY LITTLE OUTLINE.
WE, UM, WE DON'T APPROVE ZONING, UM, CHANGES, ZONE MAP CHANGES.
WE RECOMMEND COUNCIL, WE CAN, UH, APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
WE CAN DO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND IT DOESN'T GO TO COUNCIL.
AND, UM, DID I SAY COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENTS? PROBABLY NOT.
UM, WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE AND ALSO RECOMMEND, WE ALSO DO LAND DEVELOPMENT RE UH, CODE REVISIONS FOR REVIEW.
AND, AND SOME MAY COME OUT OF THIS NEW UPDATE TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT THEY ALSO, 'CAUSE OF LEGISLATIVE, THEY ALSO GO TO COUNCIL.
SO THERE'S SOME THINGS OVER WHICH WE HAVE ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY.
AND THE OTHERS, THEY FLOAT TO COUNCIL ADVISOR.
WELL, AND, AND THAT WAS OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT OUR ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WAS ABSOLUTE, I MEAN, THE NEXT STEP WAS THE COURT OF APPEALS.
AND THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL TO SUPERIOR COURT.
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BUT WE ALSO DID AWAY WITH OUR, UM, VARIANCE, OUR, OUR, UH, VARIANCE BOARD.BOARD OF THE FIELD? NO, IT SAYS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SITS IN THAT POSITION AND MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, FOR VARIANCES.
SO YOU, I FORGET THE NAME OF IT.
WE HAVE HAD A FEW OF, JOHN O'BRIEN IS THE OH.
I FORGOT YOU ELIMINATED THE COMMISSION.
UH, BECAUSE IT WAS MET VERY INFREQUENTLY.
BUT WHAT IS IT? ADJUSTMENT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S SIMILAR TO CBA THAT ONLY, RIGHT.
AND WE HAVE VERY, VERY FEW IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE MAYBE HAD TWO OR THREE CASES THAT MIGHT HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT MORE.
I HAD SOMETHING FOR, FOR HIS OWN CHANGE THAT OR HIS ZONE CHANGE.
A EXTEND BEYOND THE, THE MEETS AND BOUNDS OF THE PROPERTY.
SEE, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY, MY Z B A, WE HEARD IT WAS ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY VARIANCES, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GUESSING IN MY WHOLE TIME THERE.
GOT CHALLENGED, OVERTURNED, NEVER EVEN CHALLENGED.
OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YOU DID OPEN MEETING.
IS THERE GONNA BE A TASK AFTERWARDS? THERE IS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON THE CLIMATE AND LIVING COMMISSION AS ANOTHER SOFTBALL? YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST REITERATE, I LOVE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED WITH PEOPLE MY WHOLE LIFE.
UM, AND I, I HAVE A STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
I, I WANT TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, NOT TEAR PEOPLE APART, YOU KNOW? UM, AND, UH, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO DO BOTH IN THIS FIELD, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, I AM, I, I DON'T HAVE A SHORT TEMPER.
UM, WELL, THIS, THAT'LL CHANGE
WELL, SCOTT, I, I MEAN, I COULD SIT HERE AND TELL YOU WAR STORIES OVER SOME OF THE STUFF I THROUGH.
I WOULD HAVE A DEAL WITH THAT.
AND, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE CRYING IN THE AUDIENCE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE GOT LEGAL COUNSEL THERE, AND WE'VE GOT OUR PLANNER SAYING, THIS IS STATE LAW.
WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE ARE SCREAMING AT YOU AND CRYING, YOU KNOW? SO I, I'VE BEEN IN THOSE SITUATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, AND, AND, AND I DEAL WITH IT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, SO, SO YOU, ANY OR QUESTIONS, DO YOU WANT MORE OF THOSE? I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET EVERY ONE OF THOSE.
AND I HAVE JUST ONE FOLLOW UP AS WELL, AND MAYBE HOLLY HAS ONE AS WELL.
WHAT WERE, CAN YOU RECALL THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE? BEHIND THE, OR IN, IN ADDITION TO THE SALT SAND MINES? YEAH.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE TOWNSHIP, UH, BORDER, THE WEST BORDER WAS LAKE MICHIGAN.
SO WE HAVE A MAGNIFICENT LAKE SHORE.
THERE WAS A 335 ACRE PARCEL, UM, THAT WENT UP FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THE DEVELOPERS FOLLOWED THE RULE BOOK.
I MEAN, THEY DID, THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T CHEAT.
THEY DIDN'T FUDGE, THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE RULE BOOK.
BUT THIS WAS A MAGNIFICENT SAND DUNE PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN TRESPASSED ON FOR DECADES.
DID THEY DID HAVE BUSH FEES ON THOSE? PARDON ME? DID THEY HAVE OH, FEES ON THOSE? NO, THAT WAS NOT AN ISSUE.
SO IT WAS A PLACE THAT PEOPLE FELT THEY COULD GO, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE TRESPASS CORRECT.
THEY HAD BEEN TRESPASSING SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE DAWN OF TIME AND TREATING IT LIKE PUBLIC PROPERTY.
SO CONSEQUENTLY, THE MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, FELT THAT THAT WAS BY DEFAULT, THEIR, THEIR LAND.
YOU KNOW? I MEAN, THEY ALWAYS REFERRED TO IT AS OUR SAND DUNES, OUR VIEW, OUR, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW? AND THAT WAS EXTREMELY CONTENTIOUS.
I MEAN, WE HAD TO HAVE MEETINGS IN THE LOCAL GYMNASIUM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND PEOPLE SHOWED UP.
UM, WE HAD TO HAVE POLICE PRESENT.
UM, ONE MEETING WAS CANCELED BECAUSE IT STARTED TO GET VIOLENT.
UM, SO YOU'VE BEEN IN THE FIRE? I HAVE.
AND, AND I STILL STAYED
AND SOME OF IT IS STILL IN THE COURTS, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT WENT ON, YOU KNOW, AND SO WHAT WERE THEY GONNA DO WITH THE PREP? YEAH.
MUCH OF IT HAS BEEN BUILT OUT.
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THEY, UH, WANTED TO PUT IN A, UM, BASICALLY A CHANNEL, DIG A CHANNEL IN FROM THE KALAMAZOO RIVER, YOU KNOW, AND PUT LOTS ALL AROUND THIS CHANNEL.AND THEN THEY, THERE WOULD ALL BE WATERFRONT LOTS WITH, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO LAKE MICHIGAN A THOUSAND FEET AWAY, YOU KNOW.
UM, AND INITIALLY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS APPROVED IT.
UM, AND THIS LOCAL GROUP PUT UP, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN LEGAL FEES TO FIGHT IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL IN THE COURTS, THAT PORTION OF IT,
BUT THERE ARE NOW 10, $15 MILLION HOMES SITTING ON THAT PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, KIRK COUSINS, YOU GUYS KNOW WHO KIRK COUSINS IS? YEAH.
SO, UM, YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS TOUGH.
I MEAN, THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE, UM, MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE OPPOSED TO IT WERE PEOPLE I KNEW I WAS FRIENDS WITH.
UM, LIKE-MINDED IN MANY WAYS, YOU KNOW.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CLEAR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I CAN'T SIT THERE AND SAY, I DON'T LIKE IT.
SO, SO WAS IT ALL RESIDENTIAL? IT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL, YEAH.
UM, COMBINATION OF, WELL, ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? NO, THERE WAS SOME, UH, CLUSTER, UM, UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE MULTI-FAMILY.
UH, AND AGAIN, ALL OF THAT GOT APPROVED.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS STILL NOT TOTALLY APPROVED IS THE, THE CHANNEL THAT THEY WANTED TO CUT IN THROUGH THERE.
SO SELECTED THE STAFF WILL PROVIDE TRAINING FOR YOU.
TYPICALLY, I COME AND THE VICE CHAIR SHARP
WELL, THAT'LL GIVE YOU A TIME TO, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
APPOINTED, UM, TO GET TO KNOW THE REGULATIONS AND SEE HOW STAFF INTERACTS WITH THE COMMISSION.
AND, AND MICHIGAN, WE HAD, IT WAS CALLED CITIZEN PLANNER, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU TOOK YEAH, PHIL, LEMME ASK YOU THIS.
HE WAS THE CHAIR FOR HOW LONG? YOU KNOW, IT CHANGED BECAUSE WE ELECTED A NEW, NEW CHAIR EVERY YEAR.
SO I WAS THE CHAIR OF THE Z B A, I THINK FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS IN A ROW, BUT I HAD BEEN CHAIR BEFORE, AND, YOU KNOW, SAME WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I NEVER EVEN WANTED TO BE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR I'D BE VICE CHAIR.
THE NEXT YEAR I WOULDN'T, THE NEXT YEAR I'D BE VICE CHAIR AGAIN.
THE POINT OF MY QUESTION IS, I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU FEEL TRANSITIONING FROM A CHAIR TO NOT BEING A CHAIR.
YOU'D BE THE, THE A JUNIOR, UH, COMMISSIONER AND HOW YOU'RE COMFORTABLE.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER NOT BE CHAIR.
SO SOME PEOPLE HAVE A, A DIFFICULT TIME TRANSITIONING FROM NO, I WOULD REALLY MUCH RATHER NOT BE CHAIR.
AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ASPIRE TO, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT YOUR POSITION'S LOCKED IN YEAH.
NO, I
BUT, YOU KNOW, SO KATHY, MY POINT SAYING IS THAT SOME, SOME PEOPLE, NOT YOU, BUT SOME PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME NOT BEING THE CHAIR AND NOT BEING IN, HAVING THAT CONTROL MM-HMM.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THAT POSITION.
IT'S VERY HARD FOR THE OTHER ONES.
UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR TAKE ON IT.
I'M, I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND I, AND ASSUMED, UH, DO YOU HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL AT EVERY MEETING? YES.
UH, AND THE PROFESSIONAL PLANNER, UH, EVERY MEETING HAVE, YES.
WE OFTEN HAVE UP TO SIX STAFF.
I, I LOVE TO NEEDLE ATTORNEYS.
I MEAN, OH, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO THAT HERE.
OH, YOU DON'T? WE, WELL, THERE'S NO NEED TO NEEDLE.
IT'S A COUPLE YEARS, NOT TOO FAR AGO.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO NEEDLE IN SUCH A POINT THAT IT WAS REALLY IMPROPER.
SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT THOUGH.
SO I LIKE TO, AND I, I MET YOUR CITY ATTORNEY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S LIKE YOU HAD A GREAT RELATION RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR ATTORNEY AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, BUT DON'T GIVE ME LAWYER SPEAK.
WE WE'RE IN A PUBLIC MEETING, YOU KNOW, DOES NOT TO.
BECAUSE WHETHER I UNDERSTAND IT OR NOT, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS.
NO, HE'S VERY, VERY GOOD WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HIRED HIM, IS HE'S VERY DOWN TO HER.
SO WE HAVE THE MAYORS REFERRING.
WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE ATTORNEYS WHO ENJOYED THE SPORT.
AND THAT'S NOT, IT ALSO TOOK VALUE FULL TIME AWAY FROM DELIBERATIONS.
I JUST, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, EVERYTHING IS UNDERSTOOD.
THEN THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS NOT AN
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ATTORNEY, BUT HE LIKED TO NEEDLE AND TALK DOWN TO 'CAUSE OF, ON THE DAYS, YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT, I THINK.SO, IN ANY EVENT, UM, ONE LAST QUESTION.
SEARCH AND RESCUE, HAVE YOU GOTTEN INVOLVED IN ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SHARE WITH US? UH, NOT HERE.
I MEAN, UH, I'VE BEEN IN SEARCH AND RESCUE GOING ON TWO YEARS NOW.
IT'S, IT'S A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS.
YOU GO THROUGH A SIX MONTH BACKGROUND CHECK, UM, SIX MONTHS.
SIX MONTH BACKGROUND CHECK, BECAUSE WE ARE, WE'RE NOT EMPLOYEES OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT WE GO THROUGH THE SAME BACKGROUND CHECK AS, AS A DEPUTY SHERIFF VOLUNTEERS HERE FOR OUR PD.
IT'S, IT'S A VERY LONG PROCESS.
ACCESS, JUST ALL THE RECORDS AND STUFF.
SO, YOU KNOW, DURING THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, I COULD DO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAINING AND SO ON THERE, THE TRAINING IS EXTENSIVE AND ONGOING.
UM, AND, UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE OVER A YEAR SINCE I WAS APPROVED TO ACTUALLY DO SEARCH AND RESCUE.
AND I'VE BEEN IN A NUMBER, UM, I DID MY FIRST RECOVERY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN THAT DIED ON BELL ROCK IN JULY.
I I, I WAS THE GUY AT THE TOP BRINGING HIM DOWN, OR ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PEOPLE, I SHOULDN'T SAY THE ONLY ONE, BUT THERE ARE EIGHT OF US UP THERE.
SO YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT'S CHALLENGING.
IT'S, IT'S AN AMAZING GROUP OF PEOPLE TO WORK WITH.
SO, BILL, THANK YOU FOR APPLYING.
WELL, THANK YOU MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR PUTTING IN YOUR TIME.
I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN, SCOTT.
WE ARE, UH, ITEM THREE C FOR JOE MARTIN.
AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING INTEREST IN DOING THIS AND JUST APPLYING.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE, UH, SEVEN QUESTIONS AND THEN WE MIGHT HAVE TANGENT QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG.
YOU'VE GOT 45 MINUTES, BUT SEVEN QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU GONNA RING ME? YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME, SO DON'T RUSH OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE HARDEST, THE FIRST AND THE LAST OF THE HARDEST OF THE QUESTIONS.
WHY DO YOU WANNA SERVE ON PLANNING AND ZONING? WELL, IT CAME TO SEDONA IN APRIL OF 2021.
AND, UM, I'VE ALL, WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE, I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO LIVE HERE.
ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN LIVING HERE.
WE, UH, WE HONEYMOONED HERE IN 1994.
MY HUSBAND AND I, UH, DATED JUNE OF PINE BACK WHEN WAS THE FIRST YEAR I WAS HERE TOO, IN 1994.
BACK WHEN OCTOBER WAS THE OFF SEASON
WE GOT OFF SEASON PRICING ON THE HONEYMOON
SO, UM, OUR RETIREMENT PLAN WAS TO MOVE UP HERE.
UH, SO WE, WE, UNLIKE OUR PEERS, WE DIDN'T BUY BOATS AND WE DIDN'T BUY EXTRA HOMES.
WE KIND OF SAVED ALL OUR MONEY.
AND THEN IN 2021, I HAD BEEN, BEEN WATCHING THE MARKET FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND, UH, WE PULLED THE RIVER A LITTLE BIT EARLY.
UM, SCOTT WAS TO RETIRE FROM THE CITY OF MESA IN 2020 4TH OF MARCH OF 2024.
UM, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, BUT WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND WORK UP HERE IN CITY OF SEDONA.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
AND SO, UM, NOW HE'S WORKING FOR ME BASICALLY IS WHAT HE'S DOING RIGHT NOW AND HELPING HIS MOM.
HIS MOM ACTUALLY TOOK A FALL OH YEAH.
TWO WEEKS AFTER HE ENDED EMPLOYMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, GOD WORKS IN GREAT WAYS, RIGHT.
AND SO GOD WORKS IN GREAT WAYS AND, UM, YEAH, TWO WEEKS.
AND SO, UH, HE SPENDS QUITE A BIT OF TIME TRYING TO MANEUVER.
WHERE IS SHE? SHE'S, WE'RE IN GILBERT.
SO HE, WE STILL HAVE A HOME IN MESA.
SO HE'S, HE'S THERE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A DAY AND COUPLES TIMES A NIGHT.
YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT TRANSITION.
SO, UM, SERVING ON P N C, SO WHILE I WAS WITH THE, UM, WHEN WE LIVED IN MESA AND SCOTT WAS WORKING AN APARTMENT, I HAD THESE JUST GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO VOLUNTEER FOR THE CITY OF MESA AND SEVERAL, SEVERAL BOARDS OR AS A NON-PROFIT OR I CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN APACHE JUNCTION.
AND, UM, IT'S JUST THAT CIVIC DUTY.
I MEAN, BOTH MY HUSBAND AND I, I THINK WE WERE BORN WITH THAT D N A KIND OF THING.
UM, AND WE LOVE JUST THE IDEA OF SERVING OUR COMMUNITY AND AND CONTRIBUTING TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, BOTH OF US, ME SPECIFICALLY, UH, IF YOU DON'T GET INVOLVED, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPINION.
AND SO, UM, I'M PRETTY HARD ABOUT THAT, BUT
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WHY NOT? AND I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND WHY NOT BRING IT TO THIS COMMUNITY TOO? THAT THAT WOULD BE THE, THE BIGGEST THING.JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID.
YOU'RE UP HERE, YOUR CHILDREN ARE DOWN IN MESA AS WELL.
SO MY SON IS FINISHING HIS SENIOR YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL DOWN THERE AND YEAH, IN IN GILBERT SYSTEM.
UM, HE IS PLANNING ON GOING TO A S U AND JOINING THE MILITARY.
SO HE'S BEEN KIND OF WORKING WITH THE MARINE RECRUITER DOWN THERE.
HE WANTS TO GO IN THE MARINES AFTER HE GETS OUT OF COLLEGE AND, UH, AND SERVE OUR COUNTRY.
SO HE'S, HOW WAS HIS PLAN? UM, I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME UP HERE.
UH, MY SON WAS MY MAMA'S BOY AND THEN MY SON BECAME A DADDY'S BOY,
AND I THINK WHEN I'M AT HOME, I, VISITING SEEMS TO BE THE BEST THING,
HE'S LIKE, MOM, I DON'T NEED TO BE MOTHERED.
YOU DON'T NEED TO ASK ME WHAT I, HOW MY DAY AT WORK WAS.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU? SO MOST OF MY TIME IS UP HERE.
UM, AND I ALSO SIT ON THE H O A BOARD FOR LEE SPRINGS, SO AS TREASURER AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE.
AND SO, UM, LEE SPRINGS HAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS H O A NOT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S A VERY, A LOT OF DEALINGS WITH THEM IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.
THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
YEAH, IT'S AN INTERESTING, IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL FIND ABOUT ME IS THAT I'M NOT AFRAID OF COMMUNITY OR PEOPLE SPEAKING THEIR IDEAS.
AND WE JUST RECENTLY, LAST MONTH AND THEN AGAIN THIS MONTH, UM, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FACILITATE MORE OF COMMUNITY INPUT BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU NEVER WANNA HEAR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
AND I'M LIKE, WELL, NO, IT'S OPEN FORUM.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT OPEN FORUM'S FOR.
AND UM, AND THAT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT.
LIKE, I GUESS THEY USED TO HAVE OPEN COMMITTEE MEETINGS WHERE EVERY CITIZEN COULD COME IN OR COMMUNITY MEMBER COULD COME IN FOR LIKE AGRICUL OR THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE OR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN THEY CLOSED THAT OUT AND THEN PEOPLE WEREN'T INVITED.
AND THEN COME TO FIND OUT AFTER THIS OPEN FORUM THAT THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE LIKE, WELL, I WANNA COME TO YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE MEETING.
WELL, I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I'M LIKE, OKAY, WELL LET'S FIGURE IT OUT.
UM, SO I'M VERY MUCH INTO COMMUNITY INPUT, I THINK.
AND SO MANY PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIP ARE AFRAID OF THAT.
LIKE, OH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LIKE ME.
THEY'RE GONNA GET ANGRY OR THEY'RE GONNA SCREAM AT ME.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DO DRAW THE LINE OF COMMUNITY BEHAVIOR
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT.
AND I'VE SEEN CRAZIES IN MY YEARS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CITY OF MESA.
UM, SCOTT USED TO DO, UM, BODYGUARD WORK FOR THE COUNCIL.
UH, 'CAUSE HE WAS ON SWAT FOR A WHILE.
AND, UM, AND YEAH, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SOME REALLY CRAZY STUFF COMING IN AN OPEN FORUM ON THE CITY, HERE'S YOUR THREE MINUTES AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH MY GOSH.
AND IF THEY'RE APPROPRIATE AND NOT ILLEGAL AND VIOLENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO SPEAK.
SO, GOING BACK TO THE H OA BOARD, BECAUSE IT, IT WOULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE, WHAT, WHERE YOU WOULD BE ON THE COUNCIL BODY COMMISSION.
I, I SO HOW LONG ARE YOU ON THAT BOARD FOR? SO MY TERM EXPIRES, I HAD A TWO YEAR TERM.
SO WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE A TWO YEAR TERM AND A ONE TERM.
SO MY, UH, TERM EXPIRES DECEMBER.
AND THEN I WOULD REAPPLY IF I WANTED TO SIT ON THE H O A BOARD.
WHAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD DO? OH MY GOSH, THAT'S A LOT.
'CAUSE A IS ARIZONA WATER FEEDS US, AND THEN THE REST IS ALL THROUGH US.
SO WE HAVE WATER, UM, ALL THE BUILDINGS, SWALES, THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, PAINTING THE COURTS.
SO MY EXPERIENCE WITH MESA PARKS AND RECS AND FACILITIES, WHICH I THINK IF YOU GUYS NOTICED ON MY APPLICATION KIND OF POINTED OUT THAT MESA PARKS AND RECS IS ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES THAT ALSO DOES MESA FACILITIES.
AND SO CEMETERY IS PART OF THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S, CITY MESA IS THEIR OWN CEMETERY, UH, AMPHITHEATER GYM OBVIOUSLY PICK UP THE COURTS, THAT KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE OF PARKS AND RECS.
SO WHEN I GOT INVOLVED WITH H O A AND THEY'RE LIKE, WE NEED SOMEONE, WE DIDN'T HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE.
I WAS LIKE, OH, I'M USED TO THIS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE BUDGET'S NOT THE SAME, BUT WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, GENERAL MAINTENANCE, KEEPING THINGS UPDATED, NOT DOING DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I, THAT'S HOW I GOT ON THAT.
AND I'M TREASURER TOO, BUT THAT'S, I KNOW WHAT TREASURER IS.
YEAH, BECAUSE I'M ON TREASURER IS THE ACCOUNTING ASPECT.
SO HOLLY, YOU WANNA GO FOR NUMBER TWO? SURE.
COULD I TRACK ON THAT? UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOUR FUNCTIONS WERE VIS-A-VIS STAFF ON THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE PARKS AND RECS? SO, WITH PARKS AND RECS, UM, WE HAD A BOARD.
WE HAD TWO MEMBERS FROM EACH DISTRICT.
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WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TWO MEMBERS FROM EACH DISTRICT.AND THE CITY OF MESA HAS SIX DISTRICTS.
SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 12 PEOPLE.
UH, WE WORKED WITH THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR.
AND THEN ANYONE THAT'S LIKE HEAD OF THE FACILITIES WOULD COME AND DO PRESENTATIONS, BUDGETING WOULD COME AND DO PRESENTATIONS.
I SAT ON THE SUB BUDGET COMMITTEE FOR PARKS AND RECS.
UM, AND A LOT OF OUR STUFF WAS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WE WERE SENT OUT A LOT FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, PARKS ARE GREAT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEXT TO THE PARKS HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT PARKS.
AND SO, UM, WE WOULD DO A LOT OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, MEETING, HEY, HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS DESIGN? UM, YOU WOULD AMAZE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, I KNOW YOU GUYS WON'T BE AMAZED, BUT YOU KNOW, A SWING SET IS CONTROVERSIAL.
YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT, TRYING TO TALK IT THROUGH.
'CAUSE TODAY'S DESIGNS ON PLAYGROUNDS ARE SO MODERN THAT ACTUALLY SWING SETS AREN'T USED AS MUCH ANYMORE BECAUSE OF ALL THE, YOU LIKE TO PARK IT, UH, ON SUNSET, UM, BECAUSE IT GIVES KIDS OTHER THINGS TO DO.
BUT PARENTS ARE USED TO A SWING SET.
I'VE DONE A LOT OF PUBLIC EVENTS, PARK OPENINGS, SPEAKING WITH FOLKS.
AND NOT IN THE, NOT IN THE OFFICIAL ROLE.
WERE YOUR DECISIONS THEN BINDING? OR DID THEY GO TO A COUNCIL? UM, NO.
LIKE SOME WERE BINDING AND SOME WERE NOT.
IT DEPENDS, THERE'S LIKE SO MANY RULES, BUT LIKE NAMING A PARK.
THIS IS WHAT THE BOARD WANTED AND THEN IT WOULD MOVE ON.
IT WOULD BE A STAFF DECISION, BUT THE BOARD WOULD MAKE THE NAME ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
IMPROVEMENTS ARE THE SAME AS LONG AS IT WASN'T A BUDGET ISSUE.
BUDGET ISSUE HAD TO GO TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, AND OBVIOUSLY THE BUDGET HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
AND THEN THE, UM, BUT WE WOULD APPROVE IT.
OR IF WE HAD CONCERNS, PARKS AND RECS WAS TRYING TO MAKE, BRING IN MORE MONEY WITHOUT AN INCREASE, THEY HAVE A FOUNDATION.
SO INCREASE FOUNDATION DONATIONS TO COMPENSATE FOR OUR POOR, OUR POORER POPULATION.
SO IT KIND OF WAS A MIXED BAG.
CITY TRIES TO KEEP THEIR COUNCIL AGENDA FOR BIG ITEMS AND THE CHARTER PRETTY MUCH SPELLS OUT SOME OF THAT STUFF.
UNIQUE, HUH? WHAT ARE UNIQUE IT, I KNOW, RIGHT?
SO WHAT WAS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL THING YOU DEALT WITH AND HOW WAS IT RESOLVED? UM, I THINK THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE IS DOG PARKS.
AH, WE KNOW ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? FOR SURE.
EVERYONE WANTS A DOG PARK, WHICH I GET NOT NEXT TO THEM, BUT NOT NEXT TO THEM.
AND THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD REASONS WHY THEY SMELL.
THEY'RE DIRTY, THEY CAN BE DIRTY AND THEY'RE BUSY AND THEY'RE NOISY AND BUSY.
AND BECAUSE PEOPLE COME FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES TO YOUR COMMUNITY IF YOU HAVE A BETTER DOG PARK.
SO IT BECOMES A DESTINATION PLACE, NOT ONLY FOR YOUR CITIZENS, BUT FOR THE COUNTY ISLAND.
BECAUSE WHAT'S WEIRD ABOUT CITY OF MESA IS WE HAVE COUNTY ISLANDS AND WE HAVE COUNTY AROUND.
SO THEN PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY COME IN MM-HMM.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE RESERVATION THAT BUTTS INTO US.
AND THE RESERVATION FOLKS WOULD COME IN TO USE OUR, OUR OUR, WHICH IS FINE.
BUT THOSE ARE GOOD CONCERNS FOR THE CITIZENS AND TRAFFIC.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS TRAFFIC NO MATTER WHAT.
I WANT SOCCER FIELDS, BUT I DON'T WANT THE TRAFFIC.
WELL, LEMME, I DON'T WHAT TO TELL YOU.
I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC.
THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR SUCH THINGS AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMPLIANCE WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.
WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, OR PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? YEAH, SO WE KIND OF TOUCHED THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH THE PARKS AND RECS CONCEPT.
UM, AND, AND THAT HAPPENS A LOT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN FOLKS, WE WANNA REMODEL A POOL TO INCREASE MORE MEATS.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T REALIZE IS WHEN WE BRING IN THINGS, WE ALSO LOOKING AT REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
HOW DO WE INCREASE OUR REVENUE? AND WHEN WE INCREASE REVENUE, WE HAVE MORE SWIM MEETS, I MEAN MEANS MORE REVENUE, BUT THEN WE HAVE OTHER OBSTACLES.
UM, I WAS REALLY THINKING ABOUT ALL THE STUFF THAT I'VE DONE OVER MY CIVIC CAREER, UM, FROM WAY BACK OR MY BE MY BEGINNINGS OF BEING IN THE APACHE JUNCTION CHAMBER BOARD, WORKING WITH THE CITY WITH DEVELOPMENT ISSUES, BUSINESS ISSUES.
AGAIN, BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT, THIS WANTS TO HAPPEN HERE ON THIS BUSY ROADWAY.
NO, WE WANT, WE WANT A BIG BOX HERE.
WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF SMALL, SMALL, UM, BUSINESSES.
A UNITED FOOD BANK, THAT'S A HUGE DEAL.
YOU CAN PUT A FOOD BANK IN A WAREHOUSE DISTRICT MM-HMM.
BUT WHEN YOU WANNA PUT A FOOD PANTRY NEXT TO A
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NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONCEPT.UM, THAT'S A BIG ZONING ISSUE AS WELL.
UM, AND SO AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH PARKS AND RECS, REDISTRICTING, 'CAUSE REDISTRICTING IS A BIG DEAL.
AND REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING, BECAUSE WE NEED THOSE CENSUS BLOCKS.
AND IF YOU HAVE A BIG DISTRICT LIKE DISTRICT SIX AND MESA'S THE BIGGEST DISTRICT, WE HAVE A HUGE INDUSTRIAL PARK.
SO THEN, BUT YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE CENSUS BLOCKS THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN DISTRICT ONE.
SO IT'S A CONTINUOUS THING THAT I'VE HAD IN REGARDS TO DEALING WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND IN DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT NOT DIRECTLY LIKE, OH, THIS DEVELOPMENT MEETS OR DOES NOT MEET OUR CODE KIND OF THING.
AND SO WHEN YOU DEAL WITH PLANNING AND ZONING, DO YOU FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE REGULATIONS? YOU GONNA THINK I'M KIND OF A DORK?
UM, I THOUGHT MY, MY FIRST EXPOSURE TO A GENERAL PLAN WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS THE COOLEST THING EVER.
THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT A GENERAL PLAN AS A RESIDENT AND KNOW, HEY, IF I BUY MY HOUSE HERE, I'M GONNA HAVE AN AIRPORT HERE.
I MEAN, WE WISH PEOPLE WOULD DO THAT, BUT THEY DON'T.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS THE COOLEST THING.
AND I'VE BEEN INDIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH GENERAL PLANS OVER TIME.
'CAUSE I JUST THINK IT'S THE COOLEST THING.
SO, UH, SOME PEOPLE THINK I'M KIND OF ADORE 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, WELL, WHAT DOES THE GENERAL PLAN SAY? LET ME PULL IT UP.
AND THAT WAS ONE THING I FOUND COMING TO LAY SPRINGS.
THEY WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CITY.
WELL, EVERYONE COMPLAINS ABOUT THE CITY ESPECIALLY.
WELL, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE I, A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT LA SPRINGS.
I'VE HEARD THEY WERE, THEY'RE A VERY INTERESTING GROUP OF PEOPLE, BUT THEY WERE LEAST, BUT AT THE END OF LA SPRINGS WE HAVE THAT BIG PIECE OF LAND THAT'S DEVELOPED.
WELL, I MOVED IN LIKE, THAT'S A HOTEL.
AND THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME WERE LIKE, I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, IT'S A HOTEL.
AND I LOOK UP, I PULL UP THE PLANNING AND ZONING MAP AND I'M LIKE, IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S NOT HIGH DENSITY, SO IT IS NOT A HOTEL.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT MAP? I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU JUST GO TO THE CITY STORE WEBSITE.
RIGHT? BUT PEOPLE GET IN AND I THINK I FOUND THAT WITH STOPPING, BEING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, PEOPLE GET INTIMIDATED BY THE TITLE CITY POLICE GOVERNOR.
INSTEAD OF JUST LIKE, PUSH A BUTTON, LET ME CALL SOMEBODY, LET ME ASK FOR HELP.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE DIFFERENT, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ROLES AND WHAT IS THAT ALLOWED, WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED KIND OF THING.
AND A LITTLE SIDE CRAZY NOTE IS MY FAMILY ON MY FATHER'S SIDE, WERE DEVELOPERS.
SO IN THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES IN NORTHERN ILLINOIS, THEY BOUGHT UP FARMS AND THEY DEVELOPED, MADE SUBDIVISIONS, INDUSTRIAL PARKS.
MY DAD'S A LAND SURVEYOR, MY UNCLE'S AN ARCHITECT.
SO I'VE BEEN AROUND THE CONCEPT OF WHY DID YOU PUT THIS HERE INSTEAD OF GREEN SPACE? WHY IS THERE, SO THAT'S DINNER TABLE CONVERSATIONS, I GUESS.
IT'S, THIS IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE FUN THINGS.
NO, IT'S, THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER.
SO NUMBER THREE, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE? WAIT, DO I GET ONE? OH, I'M SORRY.
YOU'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT, I'M IMPRESSED.
UH, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE VOTING TO APPROVE A PROJECT THAT MEETS CITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND CODES SUCH AS HEIGHT, MASSING, LIGHTING, COLOR, ET CETERA? IF YOU PERSONALLY DISLIKE THE DESIGN, I WOULD REALLY HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT CITY STAFF AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAD TO SAY ON IT, BECAUSE I AM OPINIONATED.
UM, AND I DO RECOGNIZE THAT MM-HMM.
AND SO
HOW DOES THIS FIT IN THE OVERALL PLAN? DOES IT LOOK GOOD? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE THING.
'CAUSE IT MAY FIT, BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S JUST THIS EYESORE.
BUT I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, WATCHING IT ON, YOU KNOW, VIDEO OR COMING IN PRESENT SEEM TO BE FAIR MINDED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT, HEY, IS THIS REALLY WHAT THE CITY WANTS? AND THIS IS THIS THE LOOK WE'RE GOING FOR, EVEN THOUGH IT NEEDS ALL THE GUIDELINES.
SO LEMME JUST CLARIFY THEN, BECAUSE I'M JUST TORN BETWEEN TWO DIRECTIONS HERE.
IF THE, THE STANDARD DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE ZONING AND EVERYTHING POINT YOU
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IN ONE DIRECTION, BUT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT, DO YOU VOTE FOR JOE MARTIN OR DO YOU VOTE BY THE CODES? AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO HEAR WHAT CITY STAFF HAD TO SAY.CASE WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE CODES.
THEN I MOST, LIKE, I'M MOST LIKELY I WOULD VOTE IN FAVOR OF, 'CAUSE I'D RATHER HAVE CONSENSUS THAN DISRUPTION OR AGAINST, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A PROJECT THAT DOES NOT MEET THE CODE.
DO YOU SUPPORT IT EVEN THOUGH STAFF IS SAYING IT DOESN'T MEET THE CODES? YEAH.
BUT WE JUST HAD THE, BUT ZONING JUST HAD THIS UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE THIS, WELL I GUESS IT'S A
WHERE THE ROOF IS HAS TWO CONFLICTING AND STAFF SAID, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
AND IT IT DID, IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE CODE.
SO THAT'S GIVEN YOU SOME LEEWAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO I DON'T, IT'S, I CAN'T SAY IT'S BLACK AND WHITE.
I MEAN, I REALLY, I'M NOT ABOUT, OH, I DON'T LIKE THIS COLOR.
IT REALLY IS A MORE GLOBAL SITUATION.
'CAUSE EVEN LIKE THE ROOF THING WITH THE SUNSET LOTS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THEY PROPOSED IT, WELL IF WE, IF WE DID THIS, THEN WE'D HAVE TO PUT THE AIR CONDITIONERS DOWN HERE AND BE TOO NOISY.
AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, BUT DO WE HAVE, AND MY QUESTION WAS DO WE HAVE A NOISE ISSUE, NOISE THING IN THE ORDINANCE AND HOW DOES THIS WORK? AND MM-HMM.
AND I KNOW THAT SUNSET LAW IS A LITTLE, MAYBE A BUTTON PUSHER IN SOME WAYS, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF COMPROMISE THAT HAD TO HAPPEN THROUGH THAT.
WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PLANNING ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? WELL, THE BIGGEST ONE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE EMPLOYEES LIVE WHERE THEY WORK.
I THINK THAT'S JUST REALLY KEY TO A SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY.
I THINK COMMUNITIES DRY UP IF WE DON'T HAVE A MIXTURE OF ECONOMICS, BUT HAVING ABILITY TO HAVE EMPLOYEES WORK WITH US.
UM, I WILL SAY I CHEATED, LIKE, I DUNNO, CHEATED, PREPPED.
I MEAN, I'VE WATCHED THE VIDEOS.
IT WAS ON THE, THE THAT'S NOT CHEATING AND THAT'S NOT PREPPING.
AND I MEAN, AND, AND IT'S A TRUE ISH, IT'S A TRUE THING.
I MEAN, I KNOW WHEN SCOTT FIRST GOT HIRED AND PEOPLE GOT INTRODUCED, PEOPLE WERE SHOCKED HE LIVED HERE.
BUT AGAIN, BUT EVEN THE CHIEF DOES NOT LIVE HERE.
AND, AND CITIZENS ACTUALLY WANT PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE CITY TO LIVE IN THE CITY.
WHICH I CAN ARGUE IN EITHER, EITHER SIDE OF THAT POINT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S REALLY KEY.
AND WE WANNA HIRE QUALITY PEOPLE.
BUT I LISTENED TO WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF, WHEN HE SAID, HEY, WE HAD TWO APPLICANTS, HE COULDN'T FIND A HOME, WE COULDN'T HIRE HIM.
AND I KNOW THAT, UM, DEPUTY CHIEF, HE HAD A HARD TIME FINDING A HOME AS WELL.
UM, SO, AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
AND I, SO I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING'S A HUGE ISSUE.
AND OF COURSE I WOULD PUT THAT FIRST ABOVE, YOU KNOW, UM, VACATION RENTALS, SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WORKING HERE, IT DOESN'T SUSTAIN OUR COMMUNITY.
VICE MAYOR, NUMBER FIVE, DOES THE ADOPTED SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECT CURRENT COMMUNITY VISION? SO THIS IS OUR EXISTING PLAN.
UH, CURRENT COMMUNITY VISION AND VALUES.
SO I GLANCED AT IT, BUT I DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE NEW ONES.
SO I SPENT ACTUALLY A MAJORITY OF TIME LOOKING AT THE PLANNING, LIKE WHERE WE WERE GOING, LIKE THE SURVEY RESULTS, WHAT THE CITIZENS WERE LOOKING TODAY.
SO I KNOW THAT THE PRIOR PLAN, 'CAUSE I WENT TO THE LAUNCH MEETING, THAT WAS IN FEBRUARY.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENT WAS A KEY IMPORTANT PART.
SO I'M GONNA SAY YES, MAYBE, BUT I THINK IT'S CHANGED ESPECIALLY WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
'CAUSE THAT WASN'T A BIG DEAL 10 YEARS AGO.
AND THE COMMISSION WILL BE REVIEWING THE DRAFT.
WE'RE GONNA GET THE FIRST DRAFT IN NOVEMBER.
I, WHEN WE WERE AT THE MEETING, I HEARD THAT I, I KIND OF PUT IT IN THE CALENDAR AS WELL,
AND I THINK IT'S, UM, IT'S A BIG DEAL.
AND, AND WHEN I JOINED ON PARKS AND RECS, MY FIRST MEETING WAS, OH, GUESS WHAT? WE'RE DOING A STRATEGIC PLAN AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO ALL THESE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH THE GOALS FOR STAFF AND FACILITIES AND
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THE CEMETERY.AND I'M LIKE, I, THIS IS ABOUT PLAYGROUND.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE ARIZONA OPEN MEETING LAWS OR THE RULES AND USE OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
SO THE OPEN MEETING LAWS, I'M MORE FAMILIAR THAN I EVER WANTED TO BE WITH RE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION
UH, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
UM, AND WE KIND OF, WE ACTUALLY KEEP THAT UP IN THE H O A SIDE OF THINGS AS WELL.
UM, YOU CAN SEND AN EMAIL OUT ABOUT AN ISSUE OR SOMETHING LIKE, OH, HEY, HERE'S THIS PIECE OF PAPER, BUT NO ONE ELSE CAN RESPOND.
SO I DIDN'T, I DID NOT COMMUNICATE ANY KIND OF PARKS AND RECS ISSUES OR REDISTRICTING ISSUES THROUGH EMAIL.
IT ALL WENT THROUGH STAFF AND THEN STAFF DISPERSED IT TO, TO THEIR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, I HAVE NOT BEEN IN ANY EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.
I DO RECOGNIZE THERE'S A NOTICE AND I RECOGNIZE THAT CIVILIANS AREN'T PRESENT OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AREN'T PRESENT AND IT'S STAFF AND THOSE THAT NEED TO BE THERE ARE PRESENT.
AND THEN WHATEVER'S DISCUSSED THERE CANNOT BE DISCUSSED OUTSIDE OF THAT MEETING.
'CAUSE IT'S PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL.
AT LEAST WITH OUR NUMBERS, WE, SHE'S SEVEN AND WE'RE SEVEN.
SO WE CAN'T GO BEYOND TWO OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT YOU'LL FIND YOURSELF, IF YOU'RE SERVING IN A ROLE OF PUBLIC ROLE, THAT YOU'LL BE IN A, A PUBLIC EVENT AND YOU'LL GATHER THERE.
AND THERE MAY BE THREE OF YOU, OR THERE MAY BE FOUR OF YOU.
YOU DON'T WANT, IN THIS TOWN, PEOPLE SAY, OH, I SAW THAT COMMISSION SITTING WITH THREE OTHER PEOPLE.
AND YOU, THEY MUST HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT.
AND THEN IT WAS ACTUALLY A LAWSUIT YEARS AGO BROUGHT AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBERS.
IT'S A PRETTY COMMON, YOU LIVE IN A RESTAURANT.
IT'S A PRETTY COMMON ISSUE EVEN IN THE CITY OF MESA.
SO WE, I MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THAT AS IT WAS BIGGIE AND IT WAS, I MEAN, IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE LIKE, YOU, YOU GO TO AN EVENT MM-HMM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO CHECK YOUR CALENDARS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S, HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE HERE? DO WE HAVE AN OPEN MEETING, NOTICE THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA BE HERE.
AND THEN ONE'S OVER HERE, ONE'S OVER THERE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NEVER TOGETHER.
SO, WELL YOU SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DO CONCERTED EFFORT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT TOGETHER.
THIS CITY CLERK AND DEPUTY CITY CLERK KEEP TABS ON US.
YOU KNOW, IF I HEAR SOMETHING COMING UP AND WE, IT GOES TO ALL OF US, I MAKE SURE THAT THEIR OFFICE KNOWS, BUT SOMETIMES SOMETHING COMES UP, YOU DON'T KNOW.
ONCE IT'S NOTICED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY AWAY.
AND YOU STILL SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING, EVEN, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
SO, I MEAN, I KNOW, SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW IT.
QUICK STORY WAS THE FIRE DISTRICT, THEY WANT TO HAVE A SUPER BOWL PARTY FOR THE BOARD.
THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.
SO THEY INVITED, THEY NEED THE PUBLIC NURSE FOR A PARTICULAR BOARD MEMBER'S HOUSE.
AND SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SHOWED UP PURPOSELY TO CATCH THEM.
OH, THEY WOULD PREPARE FOR IT? NO, IT WAS A, IT WAS PUBLICLY NOTICED.
AND THEY SAID, OH, COME ON, COME AND SIT DOWN, PUT A RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUCH BETWEEN EVERYBODY.
HE WAS NOT ON THE BOARD, BUT HE TRIED TO CATCH 'EM.
AND THEY JUST COME ON, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WAYS OF DOING IT AND BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING WAS GOING ON AND, HEY, YOU CAME TO CATCH US.
YOU KNOW, WHERE I'VE SEEN IT A LOT LATELY IS, UM, A GREAT STORY.
I DON'T KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BUT KEVIN, COMMISSIONER KEVIN THOMPSON FROM THE CORPORATION COMMISSION IS A VERY CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF MINE.
AND HE'S BEEN IN THE PAPER A LOT BECAUSE HE WENT TO WASHINGTON AND THERE WAS ENERGY PEOPLE THERE.
HE WENT TO TUCSON TO GO TOUR A FACILITY AND THERE WAS ENERGY PEOPLE THERE.
SO THEY'RE SAYING THAT HE'S BREAKING THE COMMISSIONER'S RULES.
SO, UM, WHICH IS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT HIM TO VOTE ON WANNA KNOW ABOUT ENERGY, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT HE WOULD KIND OF HAVE SOME EDUCATION ABOUT IT.
UM, SO I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S THOSE WATCHDOGS AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE A PAIN.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO SUPER IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE, YOU COULD HAVE A COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD NOWADAYS.
BUT IT WASN'T UNCOMMON A LONG TIME AGO.
TO HAVE A COUNCIL THAT HAD A MEETING PRIVATELY SET UP THEIR AGENDA TO GET THEIR AGENDA ACROSS WITHOUT DIS WITH DISREGARD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
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TIME, BUT I THINK I, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT.I CAME FROM, I WAS A COMMUNITY.
I WAS A COMMUNITY LEADER ON LONG ISLAND.
I WORKED WITH THE TOWN OF HEMPSTEAD BOARD AND ON APPEAL AND THE TOWN BOARD.
AND AFTER GETTING ON COUNCIL, I MENTIONED, DO I KNOW HOW TO USE THIS ONE, ONE OF THE, SORRY, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I SAID, DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS PRACTICE READING? I SAID, DO WE HAVE THAT IN SEDONA? AND I SAID, IT'S THE MOST UNIQUE THING I, 'CAUSE THERE'S NO QUESTION, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT THE RULES ARE.
AND EVERYBODY PLAYS BY THE SAME RULES.
I SAID, I LIVED WITH YOU FOR 20 YEARS.
YOU WOULD DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AND NO, YOU ENTERTAIN IN PUBLIC, THEN YOU GO INTO A SMALL ROOM AND DELIBERATE.
HE SAYS, WELL, YEAH, BUT WE WERE OUT IN THE PUBLIC.
I SAID, I SAID, YOU COULD NOT FUNCTION WITH WHAT, AND THAT'S WHY IN ARIZONA.
IN ARIZONA, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BAD THINGS ABOUT WHAT GOES ON IN ARIZONA.
AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT MONTH THOUGH, WE ALL LITERALLY, AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE DRAFT.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF GRAFT OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, BRIBES OR ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON HERE.
BRIBES ARE, YOU DON'T SEE 'EM HERE AT ALL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HERE IT'S SO SPECIFIC.
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS HERE IN CITY SEDONA, BUT I KNOW IN THE CITY OF MESA THAT SEVEN ELEVENS WOULD OFFER FREE SODAS BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE POLICE OFFICERS TO SHOW UP TO SO THAT THE BAD GUYS WOULDN'T DO BEER RUNS OR ROB THEM.
SO THEY'RE PRETTY CLEAR CUT ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
SO WE SAVED THE, THE WORST, THE LAST.
YOU'RE TESTING MY COGNITIVE ABILITIES.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO YOUR INTEREST ABOUT SERVING ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? WELL, I'M, I, I JUST, I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SIT ON THE PLANNING AND SED COMMISSION.
I, UM, I'VE SEEN SEDONA CHANGE SINCE 94 TO NOW.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT 29 YEARS AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF MY 29TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES THIS WEEK,
UM, I LOVE THE WAY THAT, THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY HAS GONE OVER TIME.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO BE PART OF THE NEXT CHAPTER OF THAT, UH, WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.
UM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT THE CITIZENS FEEL AND, AND JUST BEING ABLE TO CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR
I, I, I, REDISTRICTING AFTER REDISTRICTING IT ALL, I, I, I, I, YEAH, I, I I GOTCHA.
UM, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE WE HAD, UM, SO THE CITY OF MESA IS UNIQUE.
SO DURING WORLD WAR II, THE JAPANESE WERE JAPANESE RESIDENTS WERE TOLD THAT THEY COULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET.
AND IN THE NORTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET WAS WHERE THE SALT RIVER WAS THAT THEY NEEDED TO USE TO GET THEIR WARES TO TEMPE.
SO IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT THING FOR THEM TO SURVIVE DURING THAT TIME.
WHILE ALSO DURING WORLD WAR II, UM, WE HAD A LOT OF AFRICAN AMERICAN PILOTS GO TO FALCON FIELD TO GET TRAINED TO FLY, BUT THEY COULDN'T STAY IN THE BARRACKS 'CAUSE THEY WERE BLACK.
SO WE HAVE A BLACK COMMUNITY THAT STARTED, THAT STARTED IN WORLD WAR II.
SO OF COURSE, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY AND CITY OF MESA IN 2020, THEIR REDISTRICTING PLAN HAD TO GO TO THE D O J BECAUSE THEIR PROBABLY ONE WAS BIASED.
SO YOU WOULD THINK 10 YEARS LATER OR NOT.
WHATEVER IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO, 2010.
SO YOU WOULD THINK 10 YEARS LATER THAT THAT BIAS WAS GONE.
AND IT WASN'T, WE HAD VERY STRONG COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY WANTING TO BREAK UP BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS, HISPANIC NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR ASIAN COMMUNITIES.
AND THEY KEPT PLAYING WITH THOSE CENSUS BLOCKS SAYING, OH, THEY'RE NOT RIGHT.
AND TO SIT THERE AND HAVE TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO I SAT ON BOARDS WITH AND, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE, AND THE BOARD CONSISTED OF A HISPANIC, AN ASIAN WOMAN WHO JUST MOVED TO MESA
NO, NO CIVIC EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER.
AND SO IT, IT WAS, AND I WAS SHOCKED MM-HMM.
UM, AND, AND SO AFTER SITTING THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REALLY, IN HAVING TO STAND UP AND SAY, MM-HMM THIS IS NOT OKAY.
UM, IT TAUGHT ME A LOT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY MM-HMM.
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WERE THE REPRESENTATION FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY SAYING, WHY ARE YOU BREAKING UP OUR VOTE? MM-HMM.SO I THINK THAT, UM, HAVING THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, BEING ON P N C, BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HEAR AND, AND HELP MOVE SEDONA FORWARD AND USING MY SKILLSET.
OTHERWISE IT'S JUST BEING USED ON H O A BOARD, WHICH IS FINE.
I MEAN, I LIKE MY OA BOARD, BUT, UM, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST REALLY WOULD ENJOY THE OPPORTUNITY AND, AND TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF IT AND CONTINUE BACK TO GIVE TO MY COMMUNITY.
HOLLY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THING TO FOLLOW UP WITH? YEAH, THANK YOU.
IF YOU'RE SELECTED, UM, STAFF WILL CONDUCT A TRAINING.
AND, UM, AND THEN USUALLY I ATTEND AND THE VICE CHAIR, SO WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME EXPERIENCE, UM, SHARE SOME OF OUR EXPERIENCES.
AND THEN WHEN IS YOUR, THEN YOU WOULD, IF YOU WERE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL? WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THE COUNCIL VOTES.
AND THEN, UM, LET'S SEE, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT'S, WHERE ARE WE NOW? WE'RE MID OCTOBER.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY GONNA TO A NOVEMBER MEETING ON MARCH.
DEFINITELY IN NOVEMBER MEETING.
BUT THE TERM IS WHAT? NOVEMBER 1ST? I THINK IT'S DECEMBER ONE.
SERVE THREE YEARS OR UNTIL, AND THEN THREE YEARS.
YOU WERE GONNA ASK A QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK WHEN WE WE'RE GONNA BE NOTIFIED, LIKE, NO, NOT THAT WHEN WE'RE BE NOTIFIED.
WHEN, WELL, WHEN THE, THAT MEETING IS SET.
SO WHENEVER THAT'S DONE FROM THERE, BECAUSE THE THING IS, YOU'LL NOT BE APPOINTED UNTIL COUNSEL DOES VOTE.
SO WHENEVER IT GETS ON COUNCIL AGENDA, OKAY.
WE WOULDN'T NOTIFY IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
THAT THE RECOMMENDATION I'M TALKING TO MARC ABOUT RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDED.
IT'S NOT BEEN APPROVED UNTIL COUNCIL APPROVED.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING FOR BEFORE.
BUT IT'S PUBLIC THAT THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION AND WHO'S BEING RECOMMENDED? OH, I DON'T THINK SO.
TO COUNCIL TO BE A PACKET OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, AT THAT POINT IT'S AGENDAS, RIGHT.
THAT THE, UM, PEOPLE WILL KNOW, BUT NOT IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
NOT COMING OUT OF THIS MEETING.
SO WHEN DOES, SO AN ODD QUESTION, WHY DOES THIS COMMISSION NOT FOLLOW THE FISCAL YEAR IN APPOINTMENTS?
I THINK IT'S IN THE L D C SOMEWHERE.
ABOUT, UH, TERMS OF OFFICE AND APPOINTMENTS.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT SAY IT MIGHT EVEN GIVE A DATE IN THERE.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN ON THIS CYCLE END OF YEAR AS LONG AS I KNOW.
INSTEAD OF LIKE, LIKE A JULY ONE YOU THINK? OR YEAH.
OR A GENERAL ELECTION OR RIGHT.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AT, OF THE YEAR.
'CAUSE JULY ONE WORKS BECAUSE IT FITS WITHIN THE BUDGET BEING RELEASED.
IS, YOU KNOW, AS REGARDS TO THE TURN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE EVERYTHING CHANGES WHEN THE BUDGET STARTS.
IN SOME WAYS DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T AFFECT US, BUT IT DOES KIND OF ALIGN CLOSELY WITH THE GENERALS.
ANYTHING ELSE? YOU HAVE MORE TIME IF YOU, YOU WANNA DISCUSS ANYTHING OR IT'S UP TO YOU.
NO, I, UM, NO, I'M JUST REALLY THRILLED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND HOPE THAT YOU GUYS THINK I'M A GOOD FIT AND, AND HOPEFULLY SEE YOU GUYS SOON AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
UM, BUT I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE INTEREST.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM THREE D MS. P*****K, AND WE WILL HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
YOU HAVE ABOUT A HALF HOUR OR SO OF 40 MINUTES TOPS TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND SEVEN QUESTIONS IN ALL WITH SOME OPTIONS.
SO, UH, KATHY, YOU WANNA START WITH QUESTION NUMBER ONE? YEAH, I SEEM TO NOT HAVE MY OWN SET OF QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE SET? I DON'T, BUT, OH, UH, JOE HAD SOME, DID SHE HAVE, DID SHE TAKE THEM? WELL, YOU HAD SOME EMPTY HERE,
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KATHY.I ALSO HAVE, OH NO, HERE WE GO.
UM, HOLLY'S REFERRED TO THIS AS THE SOFTBALL QUESTION TO
SO ANYWAY, I'LL REALLY
UM, WELL YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN ME THERE
UM, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF IT.
BUT, UM, KNOW OFF AND ON THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AS I'VE GOTTEN OLDER, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT SOME WAY OF CONNECTING KIND OF WITH THE CITY, UM, IN A MORE OFFICIAL CAPACITY.
AND, UM, IT'S KIND OF, I'M COMING SORT OF, I GUESS TO THAT TIME THAT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S GOOD TIMING TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I HAVE BEEN CONNECTED RECENTLY IN MY OWN ENDEAVORS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS THAT THE CITY HAS IN GENERAL OVER PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT I'D REALLY LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MORE CONTROVERSIAL BUT ALSO IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF WHAT THE CITY DOES IS DECIDING WHAT, HOW WE LIVE HERE IN THIS PLACE AND HOW WE BRING IN, YOU KNOW, THOSE NEW BUSINESSES OR HELP THE BUSINESSES THAT ALREADY ARE HERE AND SUCH AS MY OWN, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A SCHOOL.
BUT, UM, IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC I FEEL FOR THE CITY IN GENERAL.
AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I'M SURE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND OR SEX WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.
AND THAT'S KIND OF A, ALSO A TOPIC THAT'S IMPORTANT I THINK, FOR MYSELF AND MANY PEOPLE IN SEDONA.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE AN IMPORTANT JOB.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S A JOB THAT, YOU KNOW, OR A VOLUNTEER POSITION THAT REALLY HAS AN IMPORTANCE TO IT, UM, FOR THE CITY IN GENERAL.
SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHY MM-HMM.
YEAH, YOU, IT'S PROBABLY OBVIOUS, BUT I'LL SAY IT ANYWAY.
IF YOU WERE APPOINTED KNOW, YOU COULD NOT, YOU'D HAVE TO REPEAT YOURSELF.
I DO KNOW I'M A PART OF A BOARD.
SO YOUR, ANY OTHER, YEAH, I'M ON A BOARD SO I KNOW EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
SO IF THERE HAS ANY, HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL, I WOULDN'T BE VOTING.
I'M NOT SURE IF I'D SIT THERE OR NOT, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T BE VOTING.
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE ON THE HIGHEST.
WELL, I MEAN, WE GOT THREE YEARS, SO HOPEFULLY WE WON'T NEED TO COME SEE YOU AGAIN.
ALRIGHT, I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION.
YOU GOOD? I'LL ASK THE QUESTION.
THE COMMISSION HAS ASKED TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR THINGS SUCH AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY CITY'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMPLIANCE WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.
WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, AND PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? UM, THOSE LIST OF THREE THINGS.
COULD YOU LIST THOSE THREE THINGS AGAIN? SURE, OF COURSE.
IT'D BE BENEFICIAL TO SEE THEM, BUT, OKAY.
COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S DESIGNER NESS.
UM, WELL I FEEL I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO BRUSH UP ON DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A FEW THINGS ABOUT PAINT AND SIGNAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO, UM, I'D HAVE, I, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY WOULD NEED TO DO A LITTLE, UM, READING ON THAT.
UH, REGARD IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
I FEEL LIKE JUST KIND OF AS, UM, RESIDENTS REALLY, AND ALSO WHAT I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH.
I THINK I HAVE A PRETTY, YOU KNOW, WIDE I HAVE, I ALSO HAVE AN AIRBNB, SO THAT'S A BIG TOPIC IN TOWN.
SO IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK I HAVE A LOT OF SORT OF EXPERIENCE WITH LAYMAN'S EXPERIENCE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, BUT STILL EXPERIENCE, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH ADOPTED CITY PLANS AND ORDINANCES.
I WOULD, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THAT I WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, READ ABOUT.
'CAUSE I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY THAT I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE, UM, BUILDING PROCESS NOW, BUT WE'RE NOT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND I'M DOING, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC.
SO WHAT I KNOW RIGHT NOW HAS TO DO WITH THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
IT DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN OVERARCHING VIEW OF EVERYTHING, UM, THAT IS REQUIRED IN THE CITY.
ANY FOLLOW UPS? YOU CAN KEEP THAT.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT AN AUDITORY LEARNER.
YOU CAN SEE IT, RIGHT? IT'S TRUE.
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ITEM THREE.SO WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE VOTING TO APPROVE A PROJECT THAT MEETS CITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND CODES SUCH AS HEIGHT, MASSING, LIGHTING, COLOR, ET CETERA? IF YOU PERSONALLY DISLIKE THE DESIGN, UM, I'M NOT SURE COMFORTABLE IS THE RIGHT WORD FOR IT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO IN ANY ONE OF THE POSITIONS THAT YOU'RE HERE DOING AT THE CITY, AND YOU HAVE YOUR RULES AND YOUR LAWS AND YOUR ORDINANCES, AND WHAT MORE CAN YOU REALLY DO BEYOND THAT? YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M A PRETTY DIRECT PERSON.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AGAINST THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DECORUM OF, LIKE, I'D PROBABLY STATE MY OPINION
SO, UM, ME BEING COMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, I GUESS.
ANY FOLLOW UPS? OKAY, KATHY, GOOD ANSWER.
UM, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PLANNING ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? UM, I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE KIND OF THE SAME TOPICS AS, AS THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE CORPORATIONS THAT SEEM TO BE KIND OF BUYING THINGS UP HERE AND THERE, EVEN TAKING OVER SOME OF THE HOTELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, THERE WAS A THIRD ONE I HAD IN MIND.
IN YOUR APPLICATION, UM, YOU MENTIONED, LET'S SEE, CORPORATE GROWTH.
LACK OF COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UM, LACK OF COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
WHAT DID THAT MEAN? YEAH, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU THAT.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE OURSELVES HAVE HAD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE, AN ISSUE WITH IS THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A PLACE FOR THE SCHOOL TO BE.
AND I HAVE A FEELING THAT, UM, THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SEDONA FOOD BANK, THEY BOUGHT A LITTLE BUILDING OVER THERE AND I, I HOPE IT'S WORKING REALLY WELL FOR THEM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO, I'M ASSUMING THEY PROBABLY HAD TO FIND A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF BUILDING TO DO WHAT THEY WERE DOING OVER THERE.
AND IT'S, THEY'RE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.
I MEAN, MOST OF US, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A LOT OF NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT GOES FOR A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, THE, UM, COMMUNITY FACILITIES EVEN.
YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE ACTUALLY A GREAT JOB IN KIND OF LEVELING UP WITH COMMUNITY FACILITIES OVER THE LAST YEARS, ESPECIALLY FOR FAMILIES, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF MY REPRESENTATION HERE IS REALLY MORE IN THAT FAMILY REALM AS OPPOSED TO, I'M NOT RETIRED YET.
LET ME GO BACK TO THIS QUESTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR LACK OF, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, THE TRAFFIC AND THE TOURISM, BUT I'M, I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OVERLAP THERE, UH, WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AT TIMES.
SO OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE REALLY BIG ISSUES.
I MEAN, WE'RE A LANDLOCKED CITY AND WE CAN'T GROW REALLY BEYOND WHAT WE HA ARE NOW.
AND I MEAN, THE, THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT'S LEFT IS JUST DIMINISHING FASTER AND FASTER.
I JUST SAW SOMETHING ELSE GOING UP RECENTLY.
I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE IT WAS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, A PLOT OF LAND THAT HAD BEEN EMPTY FOR SO LONG.
SO WE'RE ABOUT TO BE BUILT OUT, RIGHT? AND SO THAT MEANS TEARING DOWN, STARTING TO TEAR DOWN BUILDINGS, WHICH MEANS PUTTING UP NEW BUILDINGS AND WHAT DO THOSE LOOK LIKE AND HOW ARE THEY SERVICING THE CITY? AND HOW ARE THEY CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMUNITY EITHER BENEFICIALLY OR NOT BENEFICIALLY AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO THAT SEEMS PROBABLY LIKE IT'S GONNA BE ON THE TABLE HERE PRETTY QUICK.
SO WHERE WOULD YOU BE? VERY HYPER LEVEL.
IF WE ARE BUILT OUT, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO KNOCK DOWN A, UH, THEIR BUILDING AND BUILD SOMETHING NEW, THEY OWN THE LAND.
AND YOU ARE UP AS A COMMISSIONER, DO YOU LOOK AT THE CODE? DID YOU LOOK AT YOUR HEART? AND I WOULD HOPE THERE'D BE A PLACE TO DO BOTH, BUT ACTUALLY ALL THREE.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S COMMUNITY, RIGHT? THERE'S MYSELF PERSONALLY, I SUPPOSE, AND WHAT MAYBE MY BELIEFS ARE, MY VALUES ARE THERE'S CODE AND THERE'S COMMUNITY, AND I GUESS YOU HAVE TO FIND THE BEST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL MYSELF, EVEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS CODE SUPERSEDES EVERYTHING.
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UNFORTUNATELY.I WANT, I MEAN, I WILL SAY UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE ARE TIMES THAT I, I HAVE FELT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF LIKE, WE'RE ALL HUMAN BEINGS HERE.
WE GET TO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CHANGE THE CODE HONESTLY.
NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYBODY WOULD WANT TO DO THAT.
AND THEN YOU GET INTO THAT COMMUNITY REALM, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHANGE THE CODE OF SOMETHING, YOU'VE GOT THIS PERSON SAYING YES AND THIS PERSON SAYING NO, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT, UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE COULD BE A BALANCE BETWEEN OR AMONGST ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND NOT JUST HAVING TO FOCUS ON ONE OF THEM.
BUT I HAVE A FEELING THERE ARE TIMES WHERE YOUR HANDS ARE TIED AND WHAT YOU CAN DO, AND THEN YOU GET YELLED AT A LOT.
WHICH IS COMING UP FOR REVIEW, I BELIEVE.
SO I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL GET INVOLVED WITH THAT, RIGHT? I WAS A LITTLE BIT INVOLVED WHEN THE, THIS MOST RECENT ONE YEARS AND YEARS AGO, BUT JUST LIKE ABOUT THIS MUCH, UM, RAISING CHILDREN AND ALL THAT KIND OF KEPT ME NOT ABLE TO REALLY BE CONNECTED.
AND I LOVED MORE YOUNG PEOPLE IN GENERAL TO BE INVOLVED.
I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW THE CITY OVER THE YEARS HAS TRIED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO, BUT, UM, FOR SURE.
VICE MAYOR, YOU'RE UP FOR NUMBER FIVE.
WELL, THIS IS A GOOD SEGUE INTO THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
SO WE'RE UPDATING THE COMMUNITY PLAN NOW TO PROCESS.
DO YOU THINK THAT THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN REFLECTS THE COMMUNITY'S VISION AND VALUES NOW 10 YEARS LATER? SO THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN THAT YOU WORKED ON A LITTLE BIT NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 10 YEARS.
UM, IF I, I, I MAY BE HARD PRESSED TO COME UP WITH EXAMPLES, BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE READ THE COMMUNITY PLAN AS WELL.
BUT, UM, I DEFINITELY LOOKED FOR FAMILY WHEN I WAS KIND OF GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THE SCHOOL AND EVERYTHING, AND I THINK THAT COULD DEFINITELY BE UPDATED.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY MAYBE MORE FAMILIES HERE THAN THERE WERE 10 YEARS AGO.
BUT I KNOW, I MEAN, JUST BEING IN THE POSITION THAT I'M IN WITH WHAT I'M DOING, I KNOW HOW MANY FAMILIES WANT TO BE HERE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE MAYBE ONE EXAMPLE WHERE THE PLAN DEFINITELY.
BUT AGAIN, YOU NEED THOSE PEOPLE TO COME TO SAY WHAT IT IS THAT THEY NEED OR WANT.
AND THEN HOW DO YOU GET THEM TO DO THAT? UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT ARE STILL VERY TRUE TODAY AND ARE VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABILITY, UM, WANTING TO KIND OF HAVE THAT SMALL TOWN FEEL AND VIBE AND NOT HAVE IT BE TAKEN OVER BY CORPORATIONS.
AND OF COURSE THE ARTS AND THE HUMANITIES AND THE HISTORY OF SEDONA AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS I THINK ARE STILL VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT WE ARE 10 YEARS LATER.
I MEAN, WE'RE ALL JUST, AS HUMAN BEINGS, WE'RE ALL CHANGING AND EVOLVING ALL THE TIME.
SO I'M SURE THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO ALSO BE UPDATED.
UM, TRAFFIC, I'M SURE ANYTHING THAT HAD TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC 10 YEARS AGO IS OUTDATED.
SO I'M SURE THERE'S SOME GREAT THINGS STILL IN THERE.
SO LET ME JUST TOUCH ON ONE PART THAT YOU SAID ABOUT CORPORATIONS AND BUYING AND THINGS.
HOW DO YOU SEE THAT THE PROJECT COMES THROUGH AS PROPOSED BY A CORPORATION AND A PROJECT WE HAD NOT FILLED ABOUT HERE? WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE PRIOR QUESTION ABOUT HOW DO YOU VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY NOT LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW, CORPORATIONS HAVE A RIGHT TO COME IN AND BUY OR DEVELOP AS MUCH AS YOU DO.
I DO ALL OF US IN THE OFFICE IF WE JUST WANNA PAY THE MONEY TO DO IT.
SO HOW DO YOU FEEL? DO YOU FEEL THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR YOU BECAUSE IT'S, WELL, I THINK AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ME PROBABLY ASKING A QUESTION.
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I MEAN, THERE ARE CITIES ALL OVER AMERICA WHO HAVE KEPT CORPORATIONS OUT OF THEIR TOWNS.IT'S ACTUALLY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LEGAL IN ARIZONA PER SE.
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AN OVERARCHING QUESTION IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.
BUT I MEAN, I AM, YOU KNOW, IN SOME PLACES IN MY LIFE, LIKE MY MOTHER WAS AN ACTIVIST, I AM, I KIND OF CONSIDER MYSELF AT TIMES, YOU KNOW, A VISIONARY PERSONALITY, AND I LIKE TO ASK BIGGER QUESTIONS AT TIMES.
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY? DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY? SO IF I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING, I MAY BE ASKING SOME HARDER QUESTIONS, WHETHER OR NOT I'M GONNA, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE WORKING IN A GROUP ENVIRONMENT, SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT MY QUESTION IS IMPORTANT TO THE GROUP, I MAY BE LIKE, YEAH, EH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, MOVING ON NOW, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE AN IMPORTANT QUESTION TO EVERYBODY AROUND ME, BUT, UM, I MIGHT STILL ASK IT.
SO AGAIN, KIND OF GOING THE CODES, RULES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
IF THERE, IF THEY EXIST, AND THAT'S WHAT, THEN THERE'S, THERE'S, WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO? I'M, I'M ASKING YOU.
YOU CAN, WELL, YOU CAN, I MEAN, THERE YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
I CAN FEEL SOME WAY OR ANOTHER ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE A CHOICE WHETHER OR NOT TO SAY, UNLESS I ASK THE QUESTION OF LIKE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING IF WE DON'T WANT IT AS A COMMUNITY? AND THEN THAT'S, BUT THAT'S A COMMUNITY QUESTION, RIGHT? AT THAT POINT, AGAIN, IT'S JUST MY QUESTION WOULD, IS THE COMMUNITY EVEN, DOES THE COMMUNITY EVEN CARE ABOUT A QUESTION LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE ARIZONA OPEN MEETING LAW OR THE RULES? IT SHOULD BE AND, AND THE RULES AND USE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? UM, I WOULD SAY GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU THE, I THINK OF IT MORE AS A CITY COUNCIL, BUT I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT ALSO TRANSLATES TO THE COMMISSION A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU GUYS CAN DO IN CLOSED PRIVATE SESSION UNLESS YOU'RE ANNOUNCING THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT, WHICH IS WHAT EXECUTIVE SESSION IS.
AND THEN YOU, UM, DO THAT IN A MORE PRIVATE MANNER.
BUT THE RESULTS OF THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION ARE, DO THEN BECOME PUBLIC.
SO NOT NECESSARILY, BUT I HAVE A FEELING EVEN YOUR EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ARE PROBABLY RECORDED FOR INSIDE CITY PURPOSES.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TELEVISED OR KIND OF PUT OUT ON YOUR, SO I'M FAMILIAR, CLEAR.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND FOR THAT WOULD BE FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND FOR STAFF PERSONNEL, PERSONNEL REVIEWS, HR, LIKE THAT.
WE GET LEGAL ADVICE AND THEN WE WOULD COME TO AN OPEN SESSION AND THEN DISCUSS IT.
IT'S NOT JUST, OH, IF WE ANNOUNCE IT, WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE CAN DO THAT AND WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS WHATEVER IT'S MM-HMM.
IT'S DIFFERENT FOR, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL YOU, NO.
AND IT'S DIFFERENT FOR LIKE A BOARD.
SO A BOARD ACTUALLY I THINK HAS MORE ABILITY TO, THEY HAVE, THEY CAN SPEAK ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS THAN, IT'S NOT JUST FOR LEGAL ADVICE IS WHAT I'M A PERSONAL BOARD FOR A PRIVATE BOARD.
THE SCHOOL BOARD IS PROBABLY VERY MUCH SIMILAR.
ANY FOLLOW UP? AND UM, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE OPEN MEETING ALL? UM, ISN'T THAT WHAT THE OPEN MEETING LINE IS? IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO HAS TO BE PUBLIC, BUT IT ALSO REFERS TO HOW YOU WOULD CONDUCT YOURSELF.
EITHER LIKE ROBERTS EMAILS, RULES PUBLIC OR, UM, GETTING TOGETHER WITH OTHERS OR, RIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE RULES ARE, BUT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BE ON THE PHONE NECESSARILY UNLESS YOU MAYBE HAVE MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE OR, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE RULES ARE, BUT LIKE, YOU CAN'T DO CLOSED DOOR KIND OF TRANSACTIONS AND MAKING PROMISES TO PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT YOU JUST DON'T TALK ABOUT OR CAN'T TALK ABOUT
I, I MEAN, I'M PRETTY WELL VERSED 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ON A BOARD FOR 10 YEARS.
SO ALTHOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, WE'VE HAD IN A SENSE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY, BUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST, CONFIDENTIALITY, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE MOSTLY FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS AND ORDER AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I'M PRETTY WELL VERSED IN THAT.
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FOLLOW UP, SO THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION.IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT, UM, YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT YOU HAVEN'T SAID ALREADY? UM, I DON'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THAT TIME OF MY LIFE.
I FEEL LIKE BEING INTERESTED IN KIND OF JUST BEING MORE INVOLVED IN MY TOWN, MY CITY, AND, UM, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD PLACE TO START.
I GUESS WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.
UM, I'D LOVE TO REPRESENT FAMILIES.
UM, I'D LOVE TO REPRESENT, UM, THE YOUNGER, YOU KNOW, PART OF SEDONA, ALTHOUGH I AM ALMOST 50, SO I'M NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE I'M 25 OR ANYTHING
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO REPRESENT THE FAMILIES THAT I AM IN CONTACT WITH, OR SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE A BIT YOUNGER THAN I AM.
UM, SO YEAH, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, AND I THINK IT'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON THE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, AS A, JUST AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND YOU DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING.
I MEAN, NOT EVERYBODY DOES, SOME PEOPLE DO, BUT LIKE AN UNDERSTANDING OF REALLY HOW THINGS WORK, I GUESS, AT THE CITY LEVEL OR AT A GOVERNMENTAL LEVEL.
AND, UM, WE'RE ALL OUT THERE KIND OF, SOMETIMES, NOT ALWAYS, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING OUR COMPLAINTS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST SAYING THINGS THAT WE KIND OF SOMETIMES DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING OUR OPINIONS ABOUT THINGS WE DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT.
OR, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF THE AIRBNB ISSUE AND, UM, TRAFFIC BEING IN THIS TOWN THAT HAS NO EXITS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, SO YEAH, I JUST, I GUESS I, IT'S THAT TIME OF MY LIFE.
AND, UM, THAT IS THE PLACE WHERE I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED MOST RECENTLY, UM, WAS THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND I, I REALLY LOVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SARAH, WE'RE NOT CLOSE IN THE SENSE OF LIKE SEEING EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME, BUT SARAH AND COLLIE HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR, FROM OVER THE YEARS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF IN MY GENERATION, RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE THE TWO PEOPLE THAT I'VE REALLY KNOWN.
AND, UM, AND I'M ACTUALLY WORKING WITH CARRIE SO LONG FOR SO MANY YEARS NOW.
UM, I REALLY RESPECT HER AND HER STAFF.
AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.
I ALMOST WANTED TO SAY IT EARLIER.
UM, I, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I HOPE, I MEAN, I KNOW PROBABLY EVERYBODY AT THE LEVEL THAT YOU'RE AT, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A STAFF FOR A REASON AND YOU'RE LISTENING TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
BUT, UM, I HOPE THIS ISN'T TOO MUCH INFORMATION.
I FEEL LIKE THE LAST TIME, BOTH TIMES THAT I WAS IN THIS SITUATION, THAT THE STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING SOMETHING THAT REALLY WASN'T TAKEN UP BY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE STAFF.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE CITY STAFF AS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN THE POSITION.
AS A FOLLOW UP, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN ON FILING ZONING, BUT YOU, THE HOURS OF YOUR MEETINGS AND THE DAYS OF YOUR MEETINGS WITH YOUR SCHOOL AND YOUR HOURS, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU RUN THE WHOLE SCHOOL.
HOW YOU RUN WITH ALL THOSE, WITH 70 TIMES, LOT OF LOT OF KIDS WILL LET THOSE HOURS BEING IN CONFLICT WITH YOU, OR CAN YOU MANIPULATE? I YES, I CAN.
I'M, I'M PRETTY, CAN BE PRETTY FLEXIBLE.
SARAH ACTUALLY, WHEN I WAS SPEAKING TO HER, 'CAUSE SHE WAS ASKED TO COME APPLY, YOU KNOW, I SAID, WELL, WHAT ARE THE HOURS LIKE? SO SHE GAVE ME A PRETTY GOOD INDICATION OF WHAT THAT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND THAT FELT, UM, DOABLE FOR ME.
I HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COAD ADMINISTRATOR WHO, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF NOTICE FOR WHEN THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND YOU CAN SCHEDULE YOURSELF.
AND SO IT FEELS PRETTY DOABLE.
MOSTLY YOU GET SCHEDULED FOR THE MEETINGS AND THEN THEY WOULD CANCEL.
SO AS OPPOSED TO, THERE'S NO SURPRISE IN MEETING.
YOU'LL KNOW, LIKE ALMOST A YEAR IN ADVANCE WHAT THOSE DAYS ARE.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF YOUR MEETINGS HERE IN THE EVENING, I KNOW YOU HAVE FIELD WORK, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU MAY HAVE TO GO TO A SITE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE DURING THE DAY.
BUT, UM, THESE SEEM TO BE MORE IN THE EVENING, MORNING OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
PRINCIPALLY FOR WORKING PEOPLE.
SO ALSO I WANT TO ASK YOU, OTHER THAN YOUR, THE MEETINGS THAT YOU'VE HAD TO YOUR TOPICS RUNNING FROM THE SCHOOL, HAVE YOU WATCHED ON THE PLANNING HIS OWN MEETINGS JUST TO SEE THE, THE, THE PROTOCOL, THE WAY THINGS MOVE TO GET A HANDLE ON, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR PASSION AND I RESPECT TO YOUR PASSION, BUT ARE YOU FINE WORKING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT OF
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PANEL OF SEVEN? UH, THERE'S THE WHOLE DECORUM.I'M, I THINK YOU CAN VERY EASILY FIT INTO IT.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU'VE WATCHED THEM AND UNDERSTAND IT.
UM, NOT BEYOND WHAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
WELL, I MEAN, I MEAN, I THINK I'VE PROBABLY OVER THE YEARS BEEN TO ALSO SOME CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT AREN'T PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT YOU GUYS OPERATE VERY SIMILARLY WHEN YOU'RE UP THERE ON THE DAY.
SO, UM, YEAH, I FEEL COMFORTABLE TO BE, UM, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT DECORUM, I'M, I'M A VERY DIPLOMATIC, NO, I JUST DECOR DECOROUS PERSON, SO
BUT YOU, AND ESPECIALLY WORKING ON THE SCHOOL YOU HAVE AND YOU ON THE BOARD YES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE, YOU KNOW, REALLY IF YOU UNDERSTAND, SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS AND FOR SURE WORKS.
WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF LISTENING THAT HAPPENS AND YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO OBVIOUSLY WHO'S BEFORE YOU, BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, NO INTERRUPTING
I'M NOT SAYING IF YOU FOLLOW TRYING, YOU GO IN EYES WIDE OPEN BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH ONE TIME.
WHY, ESPECIALLY YOU'RE BRAND NEW ON, ON THE COUNCIL, THE, UH, COMMISSION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PROBABLY COMING INTO SITUATION LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M PROBABLY GONNA BE DOING A LOT MORE OBSERVING THAN I AM GONNA BE DOING SPEAKING POTENTIALLY, UM, FAIR.
UNLESS I FEEL LIKE I REALLY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT'S, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I'M GOING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEFORE ME, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST TO ABSOLUTELY SEE YEAH.
TO SEE I HOW IT ALL WORKS, I GUESS.
ANYTHING ELSE AS A FOLLOW UP FROM US? YEAH, I WANTED TO, UM, ASK YOU TO, YOU BETTER EXPLAIN YOUR RESPONSE TO ONE OF THE, UH, QUESTIONS WE ASKED IN THE APPLICATION.
AND I'LL, I'LL READ THEM BOTH THE, UM, IN THE APPLICATION WE ASKED, IF YOU'RE APPOINTED AS A P C COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE FACED WITH A PROPOSAL THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND APPLICABLE ZONING CODES, BUT YOU HAVE RESERVATIONS OR DO NOT PERSONALLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? HERE'S THE, AND IN RESPONSE TO THAT, YOU SAID THAT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER WITH ALL, WITHOUT ALL THE FACTS.
HOWEVER, IF IT IS SUPPORTED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH DOES NOT COVER ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS, NOR ALL COMMUNITY IDEALS AND APPLICABLE ZONING CODES, THEN IT IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
IF IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY THAT THE CAL COAST ALLOW IT, THAT WOULD BE A MORE DIFFICULT SCENARIO.
SO COULD YOU, UH, EXPAND UPON YOUR RESPONSE THERE AND LET US KNOW YOU, BECAUSE YOU IMPLIED A LOT OF THINGS IN THAT RESPONSE
I GUESS I FEEL LIKE I KIND OF, WE KIND OF WENT OVER THAT.
I THINK, UM, WELL, IS THERE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
LET'S, FIRST, WHICH SPECIFIC THING IN HERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SPEAK ON? WELL, YEAH, OKAY.
YOU SAID THAT EXISTING, I GUESS COMMUNITY PLAN DOES NOT COVER ALL THE COMMUNITY PLANS.
WELL, THAT, THAT WAS MY FAMILY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I FEEL LIKE THE PLAN 10 YEARS, LIKE, I THINK THERE ARE MORE FAMILIES HERE NOW THAN THERE WERE 10 YEARS AGO.
AND I THINK THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY WAS IN THERE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN 10 YEARS AGO, SOMEWHAT.
UM, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE BETTER REPRESENTED.
RIGHT? AND, AND NOT, AND, AND NOT JUST FAMILIES ACTUALLY.
IT'S REALLY MORE THE SENSE OF, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE WRONG THING.
A TOWN THAT DOESN'T HAVE A DIVERSITY OF AGE GROUPS MM-HMM.
AND I, SO I WOULD AGREE WITH, AND SO JUST THAT QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THIS IDEA OF WHAT COULD CHANGE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
NOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT JUST COULD BE MORE REFLECTIVE, I THINK OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY'RE ALL INTERWOVEN AND THEY'RE ALL AFFECT ONE ANOTHER IN CERTAIN WAYS.
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TOWNS AND OUR CITIES ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE MICROCOSMS OF THE MACROCOSM AND WE'RE ALL GOING THROUGH SO MUCH, RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT IF WE DON'T DIVERSIFY, AND THAT MEANS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, UM, MAKING A LIVING WAGE AT THE JOBS THAT REALLY RUN THIS CITY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WOULDN'T BE WHAT IT IS WITHOUT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE PAYING SO MANY WORKERS THIS MINIMUM WAGE IDEA THAT ALL HAVE TO LIVE IN COTTONWOOD.LIKE THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR 20 YEARS NOW, BUT IT'S LIKE, COME TO A HEAD NOW.
I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN IT DURING THE COVID TIME WHEN NOBODY COULD GET WORK.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, I MEAN, OUR WORKING ENVIRONMENT IS AFFECTING COTTONWOOD IN THE SENSE THAT YOU HAVE A RESORT THAT JUST BOUGHT UP ALL OF THE APARTMENTS IN COTTONWOOD, SO THE PEOPLE LIVING IN COTTONWOOD CAN'T ACTUALLY GO AND RENT THE APARTMENTS THAT JUST GOT BUILT, BUILT IN ANOTHER TOWN.
ANYWAY, I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT OFF TRACK.
SO THAT'S THAT PIECE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT ALL PEOPLES.
AND, AND IT'S NOT JUST ALL PEOPLES THAT ARE LIVING HERE, BUT IF THIS, THIS TOWN HAS STAYED THE SITE, LIKE IF I FEEL LIKE SEDONA TRIES TO STAY THE SAME, IT NOT, IT WANTS LIKE HARDLY ANY CHANGE AT ALL.
WHICH MAKES SENSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE GEOGRAPHY OF OUR PLACE, RIGHT? WE ARE A LANDLOCKED TOWN.
AND SO THERE ISN'T MUCH MORE YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T GROW BIGGER.
YOU COULD LIKE, SO HOW CAN WE BE DIFFERENT? I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT QUESTION MAYBE TO ASK HOW CAN WE BE DIFFERENT? DO WE WANT TO BE DIFFERENT THAN WE ARE NOW? AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
THAT'S HOW SEDONA WAS BUILT IN GENERAL, IN THE BACK, IN THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS BUILT AS A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
DO WE WANNA CHANGE? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.
THAT WAS A REALLY LONG ANSWER FOR THAT LITTLE TINY PIECE OF THAT
UM, SO MAYBE YOU WANNA ALSO KNOW ABOUT, UM, YEAH, SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, I FEEL LIKE ANY ONE OF US REALLY PROBABLY SITTING IN THIS ROOM LIKE, GREAT, LET'S GO.
RIGHT? BUT IF IT'S NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, BUT THE CODES SAY YOU CAN DO IT, THAT'S HARD BECAUSE MM-HMM.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY YES TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
AND YET I CAN'T SAY NO TO THAT CORPORATION THAT JUST BOUGHT THAT 70 ACRES OF, UNLESS I START TO THINK BIGGER.
UNLESS I START, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M A VISIONARY.
LIKE WHY CAN'T WE BE ONE OF THE TOWNS? I MEAN, WHO'S, I MEAN, I THINK OF ASPEN, I GUESS, BUT WE'RE DIFFERENT THAN ASPEN BECAUSE ASPEN HAS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEIR WORKERS LIVE.
BUT I MEAN WE, WE HAVE MORE WORKERS HERE IN SEDONA THAN ASPEN EVER DID IN ITS ENTIRE HISTORY.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY NOW.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I COULD BE WRONG.
THEY MIGHT HAVE CHANGED THINGS OVER THE YEARS, BUT, UM, SO YEAH, IT'D BE HARD TO SAY NO.
YES SLASH NO, I CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT AS A COMMISSION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, BECAUSE THE CODES DON'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, BUT ALSO OTHER THINGS IS STATE CODES AS WELL.
STATE ORDINANCES THAT, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE THAT YOU DON'T DO CERTAIN THINGS.
LIKE YOU CAN'T SAY TO A CORPORATION, I'M SORRY, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.
AND IF, IF A CORPORATION BUYS CORPORATE PROPERTY WHERE IT'S COMMERCIAL, EITHER ZONE ONE OR ZONE TWO, OR C ONE C TWO YOU, HOW DO YOU STOP THE TELL 'EM YOU CAN'T DO IT? IT MIGHT BE WAYS.
THERE ACTUALLY ARE OTHER WAYS OF REZONING, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE PROCESS.
SO ANYWAY, I DON'T WANNA GO OFF TOO MUCH, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ELSE THAT, UH, I THINK WE'VE COVERED IT.
DID I ANSWER QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? US? YEAH, SURE.
UM, OR ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMMISSION OR HOW IT WORKS OR? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
I KNOW YOU HAD, UM, WELL I DO, I THINK YOU HAD TWO MEMBERS LEAVING OR DID ONE MEMBER LEAVING TWO OPEN SLOTS.
AND WHO WAS LEAVING? CALLIE REAPPLIED.
AND THEN LYNN ZAKA, UM, CHOSE NOT TO, LYNN WAS ON THE WIFI OR THE LAST TIME I WAS
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HERE, SHE WAS ON ZOOM LAST TIME.SO CALLIE, IS THAT NORMAL THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN ON THE COMMISSION WOULD BE SORT OF REINSTATED? WE INTERVIEWED HER AS WELL.
IS THAT NORMAL? IS IT USUALLY THE CASE THAT, THAT THE PERSON WHO HAD BEEN BEEN NOTHING UNUSUAL? DEPENDS MATTER IF WE, YOU MEAN DO THEY ALL GET REAPPOINTMENT? YEAH, KIND OF.
I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH CALLIE AND SARAH.
WHEN ARE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TERMS UP? IS IT EVERY YEAR SOMETHING HAPPENS OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THEY'RE STAGGERED.
THEY'RE THREE, THREE YEAR TERMS AND THE APPOINTMENTS IN DECEMBER.
SO PRETTY MUCH EVERY YEAR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW COMMISSIONER.
THEY'RE STAGGERED TWO YEARS, EVERY TWO YEARS.
BUT PEOPLE RESIDE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT LIKE THE COMMISSION SAYS LIKE, HERE, READ ALL OF THIS BEFORE YOU
WELL, YOU SHOULD, YOU'LL BE GIVEN A PACKET.
SO I FOUND IF YOU'RE APPOINTED, YOU'LL HAVE TO LEARN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
YOU HAVE TO LEARN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE OLD ONE.
YOU'LL HAVE TO LEARN ALL THAT.
THE BEST WAY TO DO, I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT TO DO IT.
BUT JUST KNOW, HEY, I REMEMBER SEEING SOMETHING.
LET ME LET YOUR DOG HEAR THAT.
BUT THEN YOUR PACKET IS VERY EXTENSIVE.
IF IT'S A LARGE DEVELOPMENT, A HOTEL FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE TO READ THAT ENTIRE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
OTHER, YOU KNOW, I SHOULDN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING
AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT DON'T READ THE WHOLE PACKET.
YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT GLANCE OVER IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BE UP ON THAT DAY IS NOW THE CAMERA AND THERE'S CAMERAS FOCUSING ON YOU.
IF YOU STUMBLE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T READ IT, YOU'LL NEVER DO THAT AGAIN.
SO I DON'T, THERE ISN'T A COMMISSIONER I'VE SERVED WITH THAT HASN'T COME PREPARED.
BUT SOME PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE ABOUT A WEEK.
YEAH, SOMETIMES A LITTLE LONGER.
DEPENDS ON THE STAFF WORKFLOW.
SO IT MEANS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE A HUNDRED, 200 PAGES.
UM, THOSE ARE BIG PROJECTS, BUT SOME PAGES HAVE PICTURES ON 'EM.
SO THAT'S YOU
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, IT'S INTRODUCING YOU TO THE PROCESS, TO THE DOCUMENTS, TO YOUR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND THEN, UM, THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR ATTEND AND WE KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE COLOR TO PROJECTS THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED AND IT JUST HELPS YOU SEE, GET INTO THE MIND OF THE DECISION MAKERS I GUESS.
AND SO YOU'LL FIND OUT WHEN WE DECIDE THE 24TH POSSIBLY OR NOVEMBER, THIS DEPUTY CITY CLERK WILL LET YOU, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN IT GETS IZED FOR THEM IN NOVEMBER.
SO YOU WOULD KNOW WHEN THAT AGENDA WAS SET, WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BEING MADE.
BUT WE DON'T DISCLOSE ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THIS MEETING.
THE COUNCIL, THE WHOLE COUNCIL VOTE.
I MEAN IF THEY WEREN'T IN THE MEETING, THEY MUST BE TAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
THEY'LL SEE ALL THE APPLICATIONS.
IF THEY SEE SOMETHING GLARING I SEE.
FOR OR AGAINST, THEY COULD TURN AND SAY NOPE, WE'RE GONNA PULL THAT AND WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS.
NO, IT'S NEVER HAPPENED
IT'S A MATTER OF THE SCHEDULE.
THE THREE OF US, EVEN WITH YOU IS A WHOLE ISSUE.
THEY SCHEDULE SEVEN AND YOU IS, WELL, MARCY LOVES DOING THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SHE LIVES FOR IT SO WELL AND HOPEFULLY THEY TRUST RIGHTLY.
THEY TRUST MARCY WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN.
THANKS TO OFFICIALLY MEET YOU BOTH.