[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
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I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
IT'S TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023, AND IT'S 4:30 PM IF YOU'D ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC APPROACH.
IT STANDS FOR A NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS TIME TO, UM, RECOGNIZE CARRIE MEYER, UH, AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION JOINS ME IN DOING SO TO GIVE YOU A, A GIFT BASKET FOR YOUR CONSISTENTLY GOOD WORK IN THE ABSENCE OF SUPPORT STAFF OR INTERMITTENT SUPPORT STAFF FOR YOUR TALENT AND EXPERTISE AND YOUR RESILIENCY IN TOUGH TIMES.
OH, WE, ALL OF US, UH, APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH, AND AS I OFTEN SAY TO YOU, YOU MAKE US LOOK BETTER.
SO, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP, WE HAVE A HEFTY THING HERE TO HAND OFF TO YOU.
SO, I KNOW OTHERS WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING AS WELL.
WE, WE DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO AND ALSO, UM, YOU'RE ALWAYS IN A GOOD MOOD OR IN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING WITH US AT LEAST.
SO WE APPRECIATE IT ACTUALLY AT TIMES.
I WISH YOU WEREN'T QUITE SO GOOD BECAUSE WE GET REAMS OF DIGITAL DATA
I WILL JUST SAY THANK YOU CARRIE
I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S VERY CHALLENGING AND YOU DO, YOU KEEP A SMILE ON YOUR FACE AND LIKE KATHY SAID, YOU MAKE OUR JOB VERY EASY.
SOME OF THE BEST STAFF REPORTS I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY CAREER, SO VERY GRATEFUL.
I ENJOY WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU AS WELL.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME CRY IF THERE ARE NOTHING ELSE FROM UP HERE.
I'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
THREE.APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? IF NOT, WE'LL ASSUME, UH, THEY, THEY ARE, THEY STAND APPROVED.
MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO ARS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT ANYBODY'S, UM, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM.
SO I WILL CLOSE THAT ITEM AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA
[5. Update/discussion regarding the Community Plan Update]
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.IS THAT YOU, STEVE? MADAM CHAIR? THAT IS ME.
AND WE, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU DISTRIBUTED THIS TO US.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED US TO LOOK AT? SO, UM, DID WANNA REFERENCE A FEW THINGS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE, UH, SEEN OR HEARD, UH, CYNTHIA'S PRESENTATION TO COUNSEL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE UPDATE, BUT, UH, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH, UH, ON, IN LINE
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WITH THAT.UNFORTUNATELY, SHE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, SO PASS THOSE DUTIES ALONG TO ME.
UM, THE BIG NEWS IS DECEMBER 1ST IS WHEN WE WILL HAVE THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN OUT FOR REVIEW.
AND THAT REVIEW WILL BE A 75 DAY REVIEW PERIOD, UH, 60 DAYS SORT OF PUBLIC AND AGENCIES.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A 15 DAY NOTIFICATION TIME, UH, FOR THE P AND Z HEARING.
UM, AND DURING THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, WE WOULD LIKE TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY OR IN PAIRS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH, UH, ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WITH THE PLAN SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO OUR, OUR WORK GROUP SESSIONS, UM, THOSE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE GO SMOOTHER, UM, AND HELP TO PROCESS ALONG.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THOSE, UH, IN THAT TIMELINE THERE, WE ARE LOOKING TO, UH, HAVE OUR, UH, FINAL PLAN APPROVED BY, OR AT LEAST GO TO THE MEETING TO TRY TO GET APPROVED, UH, BY COUNCIL IN, UH, MID-MARCH MM-HMM,
SO IT'S A PRETTY TIGHT SCHEDULE FROM HERE ON IN.
UH, THAT'S WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEPARATE MEETINGS OR, OR MEETINGS IN PAIRS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN, UH, KEEP ON THAT SCHEDULE AND ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT, UH, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING MAY HAVE.
SO, UM, JANUARY 16TH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A TENTATIVE PNZ WORK SESSION.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS PRIOR TO THAT.
AND, UH, FEBRUARY 20TH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING WILL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF COUNSEL AT THAT POINT.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMUNITY FORUMS, UH, AT THE SPAC JANUARY 6TH AND 11TH TO GET PUBLIC INPUT ON THE DRAFT.
UM, WE OF COURSE HAVE OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGNS.
WE HAVE OUR PLANNED SEDONA WEBSITE, UH, AND ON THE WEBSITE YOU CAN SEE THAT VERY SAME SCHEDULE, UM, ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER INFORMATION.
AND ON PLANNED SEDONA WEBSITE, THERE IS ALSO A PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO, UH, PROVIDE THEIR INPUT.
UM, WE DO USE CONVEO, UH, ALONG WITH THE PLANED WEBSITE.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON THE DRAFT.
UM, THEN COUNCIL, WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A FEBRUARY 28TH COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
AND THESE ALREADY, THE AGENDA, UH, REQUESTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UH, SENT INTO OUR CLERK'S OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THOSE ON THE AGENDA AND WE'RE MEETING OUR SCHEDULE.
AND THEN, UH, FINALLY MARCH 12TH, UH, CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING FOR HOPEFULLY THE ADOPTION OF THE PLAN.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STEVE FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY, THANKS FOR THE UPDATE.
[6.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Zone Change (ZC) and Development Review (DEV) to allow for development of a 110-room hotel and 40-unit multifamily housing project (Village at Saddlerock Crossing) at 1259 & 1335 W State Route 89A; 82 & 86 Saddlerock Circle; and 105 Elk Road. The property is within the Soldiers Pass Community Focus Area, is ±6.3 acres, and is located south of the intersection of W State Route 89A and Soldiers Pass Road between Saddlerock Circle and Elk Road. APN: 408-26-004B, 408-26- 004C, 408-26-009C, 408-26-009C, 408-26-010, 408-26-011, 408-26-012, 408-26- 013, 408-26-014, 408-26-086A, 408-26-088. The requested Zone Change is from CO (Commercial) and RM-2 (Medium-High Density Multifamily) to L (Lodging).]
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEM THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES.PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONE CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF 110 ROOM HOTEL AND 40 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING PROJECT VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING AT 1 2 5 9 AND 1 3 3 5 WEST STATE ROUTE 89, A 82 AND 86 SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND 1 0 5 ELK ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE SOLDIER'S PASS COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA IS PLUS OR MINUS 6.3 ACRES AND IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE INTER INTERSECTION OF WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A AND SOLDIERS PASS ROAD BETWEEN SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND ELK ROAD.
ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 DASH 26 DASH 0 0 4 B 4 0 8 DASH 26 DASH ZERO FOUR C 4 0 8 DASH 26 0 9 C 4 0 8 2 6 9 C.
4 0 8 2 6 4 0 8 2 6 0 1 1 4 0 8 2 6 0 1 2 4 0 8 2 6 0 1 3 AND 4 0 8 2 6 0 1 4 4 0 8 2 6 0 0 8 6
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A AND 4 0 8 2 6 0 8 8.THE REQUESTED ZONE CHANGE IS FROM COMMERCIAL AND MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY TO LODGING.
CASE NUMBER PZ 19 0 0 0 0 5, ZONE CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THE OWNER APPLICANT IS THE BANEY CORPORATION REPRESENTED BY KURT BANEY, AND THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE IS WITHY MORRIS B LAW, SORRY, PLC, JASON MORRIS AND BENJAMIN TATE.
SO, UM, FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN ATTENDANCE OR LISTENING, I JUST WANTED TO DESCRIBE THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE COMMISSION WILL REVIEW THIS.
UM, FIRST, UH, STAFF WILL PROVIDE A SHORT PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT MAY DO THE SAME, AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS AND MAKE COMMENTS.
UM, AFTER THAT'S TAKEN PLACE, WE WILL HAVE A, UH, OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND IF YOU HAVE FILLED OUT ONE OF THESE CARDS AND GIVEN IT TO DONNA PUCKETT OVER THERE, THEN YOU'LL BE CALLED ON IN ORDER.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK EITHER IN SUPPORT OR IN, UM, OR AGAINST THE PROPOSAL, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DO SO.
SO BE SURE AND FILL OUT A CARD IF YOU WANNA DO THAT.
THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND THEN WE BRING, BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND MAKE OUR DECISION.
WE'LL BE DOING THEM SEQUENTIALLY, OSTENSIBLY, UNLESS WE CHANGE OUR MIND ALONG THE WAY.
AND, UM, AND THEN OUR DECISIONS ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA GO TONIGHT.
CARRIE, DO YOU WANNA OPEN THIS UP? YES.
THANK YOU CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UM, TITLED THE VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING.
I DID WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
THE CHAIR JUST SAID THE RE THE DECISION ON THE ZONE CHANGE WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION, WHEREAS THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, THE, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DOES HAVE APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF AUTHORITY ON THAT.
AND IT WOULD, THAT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL IF, UM, SOMEONE WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH THAT RESULT.
CAN YOU TELL ME THE, JUST CLARIFY FOR ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO DECISIONS.
OBVIOUSLY THE REZONING TO LODGING IS THE REZONING.
SO HOW, HOW DO WE, SO, UM, AM I UNNECESSARY? SO DIFFERENT PROJECTS CAN BE REVIEWED CONCURRENTLY, UM, SO THEY, YOU KNOW, TO SHORTEN TIMEFRAMES.
UM, SO IT KIND OF LIKE, IF WE APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, IT'S PENDING ZONE CHANGE, THAT IS TYPICALLY HOW IT WOULD BE DUE.
IT WOULD NOT BECOME EFFECTIVE UNTIL, UM, A ZONING WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO I KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO THE CHAIR READ ALL OF THE PARCEL NUMBERS, BUT THERE'S 11 PARCELS OUT THERE.
UM, IT'S GENERALLY THE AREA SOUTH OF 89 A BETWEEN SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND ELK ROAD.
UM, AND YEAH, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WAS READ BY THE CHAIR.
UM, THE LAND IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED WITH THE BITS NURSERY BUILDINGS.
UM, THERE IS A LONG HISTORY OF APPLICATIONS ON THIS, UM, PROPERTY.
THERE WERE APPLICATIONS IN 2014 AND 2016.
BOTH OF THOSE WERE WITHDRAWN AT VARIOUS STAGES OF THE PROCESS, BUT THEY ALL COM COMPRISED A LODGING, RESIDENTIAL RETAIL MIX OF USES.
THE CURRENT APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED BACK IN APRIL OF 2019 WITH THAT SAME LODGING, RESIDENTIAL, AND RETAIL COMPONENT.
UM, GIVEN THE, UM, CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS AND CHALLENGES OF THE CITY AT THAT TIME, WE DID SUGGEST TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY ELIMINATE THE RETAIL COMPONENT AND FOCUS ON INCREASING RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AGAIN, THAT WAS BACK IN 2019.
AND SO THAT CONCEPTUAL, THERE WAS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW DONE BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2020 WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, ON THAT FIRST ITERATION OF THE REMOVAL OF THE RETAIL WITH JUST THE RESIDENTIAL AND LODGING COMPONENTS.
UM, AND THEN SINCE THEN THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DIFFERENT RESUBMITTAL AND, UM, BETWEEN BY, BY THE APPLICANT.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS FOR 110 LODGING UNITS AND 40 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UM, THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP CAN IGNORE
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THE PINK BUILDINGS.THOSE ARE LEFTOVER FROM WHEN THE BIDS NURSERY WAS ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, WHOLE FOODS IS ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS MORNING WE DID DO A SITE VISIT AND THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPERTIES KIND OF AT THE REAR.
SO THERE IS THIS ONE PROPERTY BACK HERE THAT IS NOT PART OF THE SADDLE ROCK SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING MATERIALS WERE STORED.
AND SO THAT IS NOT PART OF THE PROJECT.
UM, IT JUST GOES BACK TO, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S OWNED BY A DIFFERENT ENTITY, SO IT'S NOT PART OF IT, BUT THAT'S, UM, THAT WAS A DELINEATION SOMEONE HAD ASKED FOR THIS MORNING.
THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE THIS AERIAL IS FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, UM, VACANT.
THERE'S, THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TREES AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE VARIOUS PROPERTY LINES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, THESE PROPERTY LINES WOULD BE ADJUSTED.
UM, SO THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THESE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY.
AND I HAVE A MAP SHOWING KIND OF THAT DISTINCTION ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OF THE PRO, UH, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE LODGING AREA LIMITS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND THAT MULTIFAMILY DE DESIGNATION IS ABOUT AN ACRE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
UM, THIS IS ALSO WITHIN THE SOLDIER'S PASS COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA.
A PLAN FOR THIS AREA THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN APRIL OF 2016 AND AMENDED IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, THE 2022 AMENDMENTS REPLACED THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LODGING WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR MIXED USE.
UM, ALL OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE CFA PLAN HAVE REMAINED THE SAME.
THE CURRENT ZONING, AS STATED BY THE CHAIR EARLIER, IS COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A LODGING DESIGNATION FOR THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
SO THIS IS A ZONING MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY ON HERE IN PURPLE, OR SORRY, OUTLINED IN PINK.
UM, WITH THAT MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATION IN THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, THE REMAINDER OF IT BEING THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING IN BLUE AND SEE TO THE SOUTH OF IT IS THE SINGLE FAMILY DESIGNATIONS AND THE, UM, VARIOUS OTHER DESIGNATIONS AROUND IT WITH SOME DIFFERENT MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL AND LODGING.
AND THIS IS JUST THAT ZOOMED IN OF THE PARCEL.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT MULTI-FAMILY DESIGNATION IS.
THE SITE PLAN AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS FOUR PRIMARY COMPONENTS BEING THOSE ONE ON THIS SITE PLAN BEING THE HOTEL, AND THOSE ACCESSORY COMPONENTS TO UP HERE.
AND DOWN HERE ARE THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENTS.
BETWEEN THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENTS.
YOU HAVE THREE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS THE PARKING STRUCTURE WOULD BE A TWO LEVEL PARKING STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEN A CONNECTING ROAD FROM SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE TO THE WEST OUT TO THE LIGHT AT SOLDIER'S PASSWORD.
UM, IT'S JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, SITE PLAN IN CONTEXT OF THE, UM, OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA AND HOW IT WOULD CONNECT TO THOSE EXISTING ROADS AND HOW THOSE BUILD THE NEW BUILDINGS WOULD RELATE TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THE AREA.
WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME ELEVATIONS.
I'M SURE THE, THE APPLICANT CAN EXPLAIN MORE OF THESE.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE LODGING BUILDING.
UM, THERE SHOULD BE THREE OF THESE.
UM, AND THEN AS WITH ALL PROJECTS, THIS PROJECT WAS SENT OUT TO ALL OF OUR REVIEWING AGENCIES WHO WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSAL.
UM, AT THE LAST SUBMITTAL, THERE WERE STILL OUTSTANDING COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND THE CITY SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM.
UM, ALL THE OTHER, UM, AGENCIES THAT DID HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW, EITHER COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED OR THEY CHOSE NOT TO CONTINUE IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, WHEREAS THEY MIGHT, IF THE PROJECT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO REVIEW AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE.
UM, FOR PUBLIC INPUT, THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN ON THE CITY'S, UM, WEBSITE FOR SINCE THE PROJECT BEGAN.
UM, SO FOR A FEW YEARS, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS MAILED TO THE NEIGHBORS, POSTED IN THE NEWS AND POSTED ON THE, OR RED IN THE RED ROCK NEWS AND POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.
AND ALL COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED WERE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, I THINK THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE ADDITIONAL ONES THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU, UM, THAT WE GOT BEFORE, UM, AFTER WE WERE ABLE TO UPDATE THE PACKET FOR THE LAST TIME.
I THINK THERE'S JUST A COUPLE, BUT YOU, AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS, WE LOOK AT THEM FOR COMPLIANT FOR, WE LOOK AT THEM IN COMPARISON TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN
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AND, UM, AND CFA PLANS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A ZONE CHANGE COMPONENT.WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OTHER ADOPTED PLANS THE CITY HAS, WHICH INCLUDE THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THE GHOST SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, LOTS OF PLANS.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, OF COURSE, WHICH OUTLINES SETBACKS, HEIGHTS, DENSITY USE, STANDARDS GRADING, DRAINAGE ACCESS, CIRCULATION, PARKING, LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA.
AND, UM, OUR REVIEW, OUR DETAILED REVIEW OF THOSE WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT POINT BY POINT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AS A RESULT OF THAT DOCUMENT, THOSE DOCUMENTS.
AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN SECTION EIGHT OUTLINES THE FINDINGS THAT NEED TO BE MADE IN ORDER FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION TO BE APPROVED.
UM, AS A SUMMARY, WE'D BE LOOKING AT IS IT CONSISTENT WITH ADOPTED PLANS, ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS? IS IT COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR OTHER REGULATIONS? IS IT MINIMIZING IMPACTS ON ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS? IS IT MINIMIZING ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL AND FINANCIAL IMPACTS? DOES IT COMPLY WITH UTILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS? DOES IT PROVIDE ADEQUATE ROAD SYSTEMS? AND IF THERE IS A PHASING PLAN, IS IT A RATIONAL PHASING PLAN? SO THOSE ARE THE IN CRITERIA THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT TO DETERMINE WHETHER A PROJECT CAN BE APPROVED OR NOT.
CAN I INTERRUPT YOU? OF COURSE.
ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THIS PROJECT IS BEING REVIEWED BASED ON THE PREVIOUS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WAS IN PLACE WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS SAID DURING THEIR APPLICA AND DURING THE PROCESS THAT THEY ARE USING THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO WHEN A PROP, WHEN A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES, THE APPLICANT HAS THE OPTION OF USING THE ONE THAT WAS IN PLACE WHEN IT STARTED JUST FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, OR THE REVISED VERSION THEY HAVE.
UM, YOU CAN'T USE A MIX OF THEM.
BUT THE EVALUATION WAS, AND BASED ON THE CURRENT CODE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY CHANGES IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS THAT WOULD'VE REALLY AFFECTED THE PROJECT.
UM, SO THE VISION OF THE SOLDIERS PAST COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA IS A DYNAMIC AND WALKABLE CENTER OF ACTIVITY FOR NEIGHBORS, VISITORS, AND BUSINESSES.
THE ALREADY DIVERSE AREA, DIVERSE MIX OF LAND USES WILL BE ENHANCED AND NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLEMENT EXISTING LAND USES.
PEOPLE WILL WALK BY, USE TRANSIT MORE AS IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DESIGNED WITH PEOPLE IN MIND BY IMPROVING CONNECTIVITY, SAFETY, AND CONVENIENCE.
AND THEN THE, THE CFA PLAN GOES INTO MUCH DETAIL ABOUT HOW THIS WILL BE ACHIEVED THROUGH DIFFERENT LAND USE HOUSING, TRAFFIC FLOW AND CONNECTIVITY, WALKING AND BIKING IMPROVEMENTS AND SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
SO EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES HAS OBJECTIVES AND GOALS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT COMPLETE EVALUATION IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
UM, BUT TO SUMMARIZE, STAFF DOES HAS IDENTIFIED AREAS OF NON-COMPLIANCE, AREAS OF PARTIAL OR UNCLEAR COMPLIANCE.
PRIMARILY THE AREAS OF NON-COMPLIANCE IS CIRCULATION, MOSTLY RELATED TO THE LACK OF CONNECTIVITY TO THE PROPERTIES, TO THE EAST AND TO ELK ROAD.
UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF AREAS WHERE THE PLAN STAFF STAFF'S EVALUATION RESULTS IN AND A FINDING OF PARTIAL OR UNCLEAR COMPLIANCE WHERE THE, EITHER THE PROJECT DID NOT FULLY COMPLY OR THEIR LEVEL OF COMPLIANCE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE DETERMINED FROM THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
THAT INCLUDES THE INCLUSION OF SOME LODGING USES, UM, MITIGATION, HOW THEY'RE MITIGATING SOME OF THEIR IMPACTS, WHETHER THEY'RE HOUSING, UM, IF THEY WERE HAVING A NET OR PO OR NET POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE IMPACT ON HOUSING, UM, GIVEN ADDITIONAL JOBS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CREATED.
WALKABILITY, BIKEABILITY, GREEN BUILDING AND SUSTAINABILITY, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND COMMUNITY SPACES AND AREAS WHERE THE PROJECT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA IS IN THE AREAS OF HOUSING DIVERSITY, UH, CIRCULATION, UM, AS FAR AS CONNECTING FROM SADDLE ROCK TO THE LIGHT TRANSIT, SOME OF THE BUILDING AND SITE DESIGN THAT THEY HAVE, AND LANDSCAPING AND SOME OF THE TREES THAT THEY'RE SAVING.
UM, WE ALSO REVIEWED THE PLAN FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, OTHER ADOPTED PLANS.
AND AGAIN, AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THESE PLANS AND NO PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO COMPLY A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS, IS THE PROJECT MOVING THE CITY CLOSER TO REALIZING THE VISION THAT THOSE PLANS LAY OUT.
UM, SO AGAIN, OUR FINDINGS WERE THE PROJECT WAS FALLING SHORT ON CIRCULATION.
UM, WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOUSING COMPONENT AND
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WE ALSO, MANY OF THE AREAS OF COMPLIANCE WERE A RESULT OF MEETING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AND NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING WHERE THE PROJECT WAS GOING ABOVE, ABOVE AND BEYOND THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.UM, AS FAR AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AGAIN, FULL EVALUATION IS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, OUR EVALUATION FOUND THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS WAS WERE NON-COMPLIANT.
THE STREET CONNECTIVITY DID NOT MEET OTHER LLDC REQUIREMENTS.
THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OTHER SMALLER FACTORS THAT HADN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, INCLUDING LOADING SPACES, SOME OF THE B BUILDING ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN THERE WAS MULTIPLE AREAS WHERE, UM, THERE WAS JUST NOT ENOUGH CLEAR INFORMATION ON THE PLANS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION.
SO, AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND BASED ON ALL OF THIS, UM, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR A REZONING OR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
AND, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THESE TWO APPLICATIONS.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
BUT YOU CAN ASK ME QUESTIONS AS WELL.
ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS OF CARRIE ON HER PRESENTATION? YOU WANNA HOLD THEM? OKAY.
AND MR. TATE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO PRESENT? I DO INDEED.
MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, UH, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, BENJAMIN TATE WITH WITHY MORRIS BAUGH, 25 25 EAST ARIZONA BILTMORE CIRCLE ON BEHALF OF THE BANEY CORPORATION.
UM, REALLY BEFORE I GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN A LONG PROCESS TO GET TO THIS POINT.
UM, IT'S REQUIRED A LOT OF PATIENCE BOTH ON THE PART OF DEVELOPER, BUT ALSO ON THE PART OF STAFF.
SO, JUST JUMPING IN WITH EVERYONE ELSE ON THANKING CARRIE TONIGHT, UH, THANKING HER FOR HER PATIENCE AND HER THOROUGHNESS AND GOING THROUGH THIS APPLICATION, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE DONE YET, AND I, WE WILL GET INTO THAT AS FAR AS, UH, BRINGING THIS APPLICATION UP TO A STANDARD THAT SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LDC, UH, THAT STAFF ULTIMATELY AGREES WITH US THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC.
UH, THAT SAID, UH, AS, AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, BUT WITHOUT GETTING TOO DEEPLY INTO THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S CLEARLY, UH, SOME AREAS WHERE, UH, WE STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO JUST GETTING THE PLANS THEMSELVES INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LDC.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND FRANKLY, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTING, UH, IT THAT THE, AT THE I IT'S FRANK, IT'S A DISAPPOINTING.
THE STAFF REPORTS RECOMMENDING DENIAL.
I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S POSITION AS IT RELATES TO THAT ON SOME ELEMENTS.
UH, AND BY SOME ELEMENTS, I MEAN THE ELEMENTS AS FAR AS IT RELATES TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LDC, I THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT WHETHER IT COMPLIES WITH THE CFA AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND SOME OF THE OTHER ADOPTED PLANS.
UM, BUT IN ANY EVENT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE REALLY TWO PRIMARY CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE HAD AS IT RELATES TO THESE PROJECTS.
UH, AND, UH, AS, UM, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS POINTED OUT, OR I GUESS SORT OF ASTUTELY RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT SORT OF BIFURCATING BETWEEN THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE, THAT ARE BEING ASKED AS IT RELATES TO A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW VERSUS A ZONE CHANGE.
UH, AND AS IT RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, I THINK THAT'S A FAIRLY BLACK AND WHITE CONVERSATION, UH, AS FAR AS WHETHER IT COMPLIES WITH THE LVC, UH, AND COMPLIES WITH SOME OF THE COMMUNITY PLANS.
AND, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT WE STILL NEED TO ADDRESS.
AND I'M, I'M HERE TO SAY THAT WE INTEND TO FULLY ADDRESS, UH, WHATEVER OUTSTANDING AREAS OF NON-COMPLIANCE EXIST.
AND WE WOULD IN FACT, WELCOME, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH STAFF AND HAMMER OUT THOSE, THOSE ISSUES SO THAT WE CAN BRING THIS INTO FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE LDC.
UH, BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE COMMISSION'S TIME DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, APPROPRIATELY CALCULATED THE CALCULATED THE BUILDING HEIGHTS.
I REALLY DON'T THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF GRANULAR MINUTIAE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA GET ANYWHERE WITH TONIGHT.
UH, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING WITH STAFF AND GETTING THAT INTO COMPLIANCE.
BUT I THINK THE SECOND, UH, AND THIS REALLY RELATES MORE TO THE ZONE CHANGES, THE BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, UH, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS PROJECT AND THE MERITS OF THIS PROJECT AND ITS PLACE WITHIN THE FABRIC OF SEDONA, UH, AND THE BENEFITS AND THE TRADE-OFFS ASSOCIATED, UH, WITH DOING A MIXED USE LOING LODGING AND RESIDENTIAL PROJECT ON THIS SITE.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT, THAT WE ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN GETTING STARTED TONIGHT.
SO, I'LL, I'LL TRY AND BREEZE THROUGH THESE QUICKLY BECAUSE I THINK THIS HAS NOW BEEN, UH, BEEN COVERED A COUPLE OF TIMES.
UH, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT WE DID A SITE WALK THIS MORNING.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 6.36 ACRES, UH, AT THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF STATE ROUTE 89 A, UH, AND SOLDIERS PASS ROAD.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY ABOUT FIVE AND A QUARTER ACRES OF IT IS ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL, UH, WITH A LITTLE MORE THAN AN ACRE ZONE FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, SORT OF SIMILARLY IDENTIFIES MOST OF THE SITE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER BEING FOR MULTIFAMILY HIGH DENSITY.
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LOCATED WITHIN THE SOLDIERS' PASS ROAD, CFA, UH, OUR ADJACENT LAND USES, AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL AND THEN SOME LODGING TO THE NORTH.WE'VE GOT COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH, UH, AND SOME COMMERCIAL.
AND I REALLY SHOULD HAVE POINTED ALSO SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST, UH, ABOUT THE DEVELOPER.
'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, UH, IS, IS WHO'S BEHIND THIS PROJECT.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE THE, THE BANEY FAMILY AND BANEY CORPORATION, UH, IS A SECOND GENERATION FAMILY OWNED, UH, HOSPITALITY COMPANY THAT'S BASED OUT OF BEND, OREGON.
UH, KURT BANEY, WHO'S THE CEO OF THE COMPANY'S, HIS FATHER STARTED THIS COMPANY IN THE 1950S, AND THEY'VE BEEN DEVELOPING AND OPERATING HOTELS THROUGHOUT WHAT I WOULD REALLY CALL SORT OF THE WEST PACIFIC NORTHWEST.
AND THEY NOW HAVE 19 PROPERTIES ACROSS CALIFORNIA, OREGON, UH, IDAHO, AND WASHINGTON.
UH, THEY STARTED ACQUIRING THIS PROPERTY IN 2006, WHICH IS REALLY SORT OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE.
AND THEN OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, UH, ACQUIRED THE REMAINING PIECES THAT NOW COMPRISE THE SIX AND A THIRD ACRE SITE, UH, WHICH THEY FULLY ASSEMBLED IN 2015, UM, AND HAVE BEEN, UH, PASSIONATE ABOUT DEVELOPING THE SITE AND PASSIONATE ABOUT DEVELOPING IT, UH, AS NOT ONLY ONE OF THEIR HO THEIR HOTELS, BUT AS, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE EVOLUTION OF THIS PROJECT, IN INCLUDING A COMPONENT THAT WOULD PROVIDE AN ENORMOUS PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF SEDONA.
UH, BUT IF, IF THE COMMISSION WOULD PERMIT ME, AND BEFORE I MOVE ANY FORWARD, I WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, APPRECIATE THE OP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BANEY TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, IF THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
THIS IS MY WIFE ROBIN, MY SON HAYDEN.
UH, JUST A QUICK, UH, RUNDOWN ON OUR COMPANY.
UM, WE, THE OXFORD, UH, BRAND WAS CONCEIVED IN 1989.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, 17 LOCATIONS IN THE NORTHWEST AND, UH, CALIFORNIA.
AND IT INCLUDES, UH, FOUR MARKET LEADING BOUTIQUE HOTELS, UM, IN, IN VARIOUS PLACES.
AND THESE ARE, UH, GUEST, UH, SURVEY THAT RANKED THESE TRIPADVISOR.
I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
UM, ANYWAY, WE, WE VISITED SEDONA IN ABOUT 2005, LOVED THE AREA AND THOUGHT WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO GET ESTABLISHED HERE WITH A, UH, OUR GOAL IS TO ESTABLISH A MARKET LEADING ENTITY IN THE, IN THIS COMMUNITY.
EXCUSE ME, MR. BEY, COULD YOU LEAN INTO THE MIC? SURE.
UH, ONE THING WE DO IS, IS PARTNER WITH OUR, UH, HOSPITALITY SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN OUR MARKETS.
THERE'S, UH, ONE IN CALIFORNIA, CHICO STATE.
WE'VE GOT ONE AT, UH, WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY IN WASHINGTON, AND ALSO IN, UH, BEND, OREGON.
OUR HOME STATE, UH, OSU CASCADES, WE, UH, RECRUIT AND, UH, TRAIN MANAGEMENT STAFF FROM THESE SCHOOLS.
AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A SCHOOL IN FLAGSTAFF, WHICH WE, UH, PLAN ON ON RECRUITING FROM THAT TOO.
SO, WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, ROBIN.
SHE CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT A LONG TIME WITH YOU FOLKS, AND, UM, I'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO MAYBE SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY I HAVE THIS CONNECTION WITH SEDONA.
SO, UM, I KNOW MOST PEOPLE WANNA HEAR ABOUT THE PROJECT, AND I, AND I HOPE YOU GET ALL THAT INFO TONIGHT, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE MY CONNECTION WITH SEDONA FIRST.
UM, I GREW UP IN PRESCOTT, ARIZONA.
AND, UM, MY DAD, HE WAS DISTRICT MANAGER FOR CORNET STORES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER CORNET STORES, BUT, UM, SO WE DID A LOT OF TRAVELING AND, UH, COMING TO SEDONA WAS ONE OF OUR REGULAR TRAVELS.
MY MOM IS FULL BLOOD NAVAJO, SHE'S MY STEPMOM, AND MY SISTERS AND BROTHERS ARE ALL NAVAJO.
SO WE HAVE THIS CONNECTION WITH THE RESERVATION.
AND WE USED TO COME TO SEDONA AND BRING BLANKETS AND SILVER GOODS.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD GO TO SLIDE ROCK.
AND SO WE JUST HAVE THIS CONNECTION HERE THAT I FEEL LIKE IS WE, MY PARENTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ENCOURAGING ME DURING THIS PROCESS TO FOLLOW IT THROUGH TO THE END.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS, MET WITH THE PUBLIC, SHARED OURSELVES, OPENED OUR SOULS TO SEDONA.
IT'S BEEN TOUGH, AND WE REALLY HOPE TO PARTNER
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WITH YOU FOLKS AND, AND REALLY GET THIS THING TO FRUITION.I MEAN, JUST WORK HAND IN HAND AND, UH, SEE THIS PROJECT BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT I KNOW IT CAN BE.
I KNOW YOU IN SEDONA ARE STRUGGLING WITH HOUSING JUST LIKE WE ARE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW.
AND WE HOPE TO BE PART OF BRINGING A, A SOLUTION PARTIALLY TO THAT.
AND THEN ALSO GETTING OUR HOTEL HERE WHERE WE CAN, UM, EMPLOY LOCAL FOLKS AND PARTNER WITH THE UNIVERSITY.
AND, UH, WE HAVE AMIT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING THAT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, HAYDEN, UH, ROBIN AND KURT'S SON, I'LL KEEP THIS QUICK.
UM, ONE THING THAT WE'RE, THAT I'VE REALLY NOTICED ALONG THE PATH OF DEVELOPING THIS HOTEL IS, UM, WE'VE HAVE, WE'VE HAD OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH IN THE MEANTIME IN THE LAST 12 YEARS OR SO, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE BEFORE I WAS WORKING.
BUT, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY FOCUS ON IS WORKING WITH, UH, THE CITIES WHERE WE DEVELOP AND FOCUSING ON THE COMMUNITY, HEARING EVERYBODY'S VOICE AND THOSE EFFORTS.
WE'VE MET WITH SOME OPPOSITION THAT WE'RE NOT USED TO GETTING HERE.
UM, BUT WE'RE STILL OPEN TO THE PRO THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH STAFF, WORKING WITH COUNCIL, AND WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE THE BEST USE ON THAT LAND POSSIBLE.
UM, AND THAT GOES TO THE, THE, THE, UH, ZONING CHANGE.
UM, I THINK THAT OUR PROJECT REQUIRES THE ZONE CHANGE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.
IF WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROJECTS THAT I SEE AS BENEFICIAL, UM, WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, THE ZONE NEEDS TO CHANGE TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT I SEE AS A POSITIVE TO THE, TO THE CITY OF SEDONA.
UM, BEING ZONED COMMERCIAL, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD GO IN THERE THAT I THINK COULD BE HARMFUL AND A REALLY DETRIMENT TO, TO THE AREA.
I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, WORKING THROUGH ALL THE KINKS.
'CAUSE WE, WE WANNA MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND WE WILL KIND OF FORM THIS TO WHAT THE CITY NEEDS.
WHAT'S THE MIT PROGRAM THAT YOU HOPE TO BRING TO THE AREA? UH, IT'S A MANAGER IN TRAINING PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR COMPANY.
UH, WE, WE HIRE GRADUATES OUTTA THESE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE OTHER SCHOOLS? YES.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
SO, UH, GETTING INTO THE PROJECT HISTORY, AND IT DOES GO BACK QUITE SOME WAYS.
UH, SO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN, UH, FOR THIS PROPOSAL GOES BACK TO OCTOBER OF 2016.
UM, AND, AND OVER THE COURSE OF THESE ARE JUST FOUR ITERATIONS OF THE, OF THE SITE PLAN THAT HAVE, UH, BEEN PROPOSED AT VARIOUS STAGES.
AND WE'VE SOUGHT STAFF FEEDBACK AND GONE THROUGH REVIEWS.
AND IN THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS OF THIS PLAN, AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, UH, IT WAS A, A, A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE HAD LODGING, WE HAD RESIDENTIAL, WE HAD, UH, COMMON OPEN SPACE PLAZAS, WE HAD RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS AND SORT OF EVERYTHING THAT TYPICALLY GOES INTO A MIXED USE PROJECT.
UH, IN THOSE ORIGINAL VERSIONS OF THE PROJECT, IT WAS A MIX IN TWO OF TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS.
UH, AND THERE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE A CHALLENGE AT EVERY STAGE OF THE REVIEW THAT WE COULDN'T QUITE FIND THE BALANCE OF MIX OF, OF THE MIX OF USES AND MIX OF USES REALLY SORT OF BECAME, UH, A COMMON TERM IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF THAT WE COULDN'T QUITE GET THERE TO SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE WAS SATISFIED WITH.
AND ULTIMATELY WHAT THAT LED TO WAS, AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, THE REDESIGN OF, OF THE SITE PLAN IN 2020, WE'D GONE FROM 2016 UNTIL ESSENTIALLY 2020, WE'D GONE THROUGH ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF SORT OF A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND JUST COULD NEVER QUITE HIT THE MARK.
AND SO, UH, AT THE END OF 2019, UH, REACHED OUT TO STAFF, MAYBE THE BEGINNING OF 2020 AND SAID, LOOK, WE WANT TO HAVE A MEETING.
WE NEED SOME DIRECTION BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING CLEARLY ISN'T WORKING, AND WE NEED TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THE COMPOSITION OF LAND USES ON THIS SITE THAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR.
UH, AND SO THE DIRECTION, AS CARRIE POINTED OUT FROM STAFF AT THAT TIME, UH, IN FEBRUARY, 2020, WHICH WAS WHEN THE MEETING OCCURRED, UH, WAS TO ELIMINATE THAT RETAIL AND, AND COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN FAVOR OF A MUCH MORE ROBUST, UH, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO ADDRESS, UH, THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND SUPPLY, UH, CRISES THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA IS CURRENTLY FACING.
UH, AND THOSE BUBBLE DIAGRAMS THAT YOU SEE ON ST ON THE SCREEN WERE ACTUALLY DIAGRAMS THAT WERE PR, UH, PRESENTED TO US OR PROVIDED, UH, TO US BY STAFF, UH, AS DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OR IDEAS THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, AS FAR AS SORT OF RECOMPOSING THE, THE SITE PLAN.
UH, AND SO THOSE WERE PROVIDED
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TO US IN FEBRUARY OF 2020.AND THEN, UH, IN MARCH OF 2020, COVID HIT, UH, AND WE TOOK A PAUSE BECAUSE IT ALL IN MARCH OF 2020, AS HOTEL RESERVATIONS OBVIOUSLY FELL OFF OF A CLIFF, THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE IT WAS A VERY SERIOUS QUESTION AS TO THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY OF, OF A NEW HOTEL ANYWHERE.
AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT HAS ELAPSED OVER THE COURSE OF THIS APPLICATION, THAT IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE REASONS.
UM, THE OTHER BEING THAT IN, ONCE WE CAME OUT OF SORT OF THAT INITIAL PAUSE FROM COVID, UH, WE WERE ESSENTIALLY STARTING OVER FROM A SITE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.
UH, WE RIPPED UP FIGURATIVELY, UH, THE, THE PLANS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND STARTED OFF WITH A BRAND NEW PLAN.
UH, AND THE ONE THAT YOU SEE IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THAT SCREEN IS GONNA LOOK AWFULLY FAMILIAR, UH, BECAUSE THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE WENT WITH THE OVERALL SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THE SOLDIERS PASSED CFA PLAN.
UH, CARRIE WENT THROUGH THIS, SO I'LL, I'LL TRY AND BE BRIEF, BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF SEDONA IN APRIL OF 2016.
UH, THAT PLAN WAS THE PRODUCT OF 13 PUBLIC HEARINGS BETWEEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO CRAFT THAT DOCUMENT INTO THE FORM THAT WAS ULTIMATELY ADOPTED, UH, THE ORIGINAL CFA PLAN.
UH, AND ALSO STILL THE COMMUNITY PLAN IDENTIFIES OUR SITE WITHIN THE LODGING AREA LIMITS, WHICH IS THE AREA WITHIN THE SOLDIERS PASS.
CFA, UH, THAT WAS ENCOURAGED FOR NEW LODGING DEVELOPMENT IS LIMITED TO 10 ACRES.
UH, SOME OF THAT IS ALREADY TAKEN UP BY THE LODGING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN, UH, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA.
UM, AND AS I'M SURE YOU CAN EXPECT, UH, COINCIDENTALLY, OUR FIRST CONCEPT REVIEW SUBMITTAL FOR THIS PROJECT WAS IN OCTOBER OF 20 16, 6 MONTHS AFTER THAT CFA PLAN WAS ADOPTED, AND A PLAN THAT WE'VE RELIED UPON THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS FOR GUIDANCE ON HOW THIS SITE SHOULD BE SHAPED.
I KNOW NOT EVERYONE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS HERE, UH, WHEN THIS NEXT ELEMENT OCCURRED, SO I'LL TRY AND WALK THROUGH IT QUICKLY, BUT BRIEFLY.
SO IN JUNE OF 2022, WE RECEIVED NOTICE, UH, THAT THERE WAS SOME STAFF, THERE WAS A STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENT TO THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA.
UH, AND THAT PROPOSAL WAS TO REMOVE EVERY REFERENCE TO LODGING AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF LODGING FROM THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA.
UH, IT WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION A MONTH LATER.
IT WAS HEARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL A MONTH AFTER THAT.
SO FROM THE TIME THE NOTICE WAS SENT OUT UNTIL THE TIME THAT PLAN WAS ADOPTED, OR THAT AMENDMENT WAS ADOPTED, WAS THREE MONTHS, UH, THAT OCCURRED WITHOUT ANY STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS THAT OCCURRED WITHOUT ANY SOLICITATION OF INPUT FROM THE BANEY OR ANY OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
IT WAS A VERY QUICK PROCESS, UH, FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WHO WERE THERE FOR THAT PROCESS.
YOU'LL LIKELY REMEMBER THAT WE WERE HERE, UM, OBVIOUSLY ARGUING AGAINST THAT AMENDMENT, UH, OR AT LEAST FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, THAT GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'VE RELIED UPON THAT PLAN THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS PROJECT, UH, THAT WE SHOULD BE REVIEWED AS THAT PLAN EXISTED, NOT ONLY AT THE TIME WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, BUT THE APPLICATION THAT WAS IN ACTIVE REVIEW AT THE TIME THAT, THAT AT THE TIME THIS AMENDMENT WENT THROUGH.
UM, AND THAT IS A, A PLEA THAT WE ARE AGAIN, MAKING HERE TONIGHT.
THESE DOCUMENTS AND, AND LONG RANGE PLANNING DOCUMENTS IN, IN, IN GENERAL, ARE PLANS THAT ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO DEVELOPERS, GUIDANCE TO PROPERTY OWNERS OF WHAT IS BEING SOUGHT ON THAT SITE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST IN AN APPLICATION AND INVEST IN A PROCESS.
AND WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, HONOR THE SIGNALS THAT WERE BEING SENT TO, TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE BANEY, NOT ONLY, AGAIN, AT THE TIME THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED, BUT FOR ALMOST THE ENTIRE REVIEW PROCESS, UH, THAT LODGING WAS A USE THAT WAS ENCOURAGED ON THIS SITE.
UM, AND AGAIN, I'VE, I'VE KIND OF TALKED THROUGH MOST OF THIS, BUT FROM THAT INITIAL CONCEPT REVIEW IN OCTOBER OF 2016, ALL THE WAY THROUGH ALL OF OUR SUBMITTALS AND RESUBMITTAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS, TO WHERE WE, UH, IN MAY OF 2023 SUBMITTED THE FINAL, NOT, NOT THE FINAL, THE LAST VERSION OF THE PLANS, UH, THAT WAS REVIEWED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU HAVE.
CAN I INTERRUPT, PLEASE? WE CAN'T READ THAT.
I, I AND I, I, I, CAN YOU MAYBE HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE FIRST BAR SAYS IN THE LAST ONE ON THE UPPER RANGE BACK UP FROM HERE? SO, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, I, IT WAS HARD TO FIT IT ALL ON ONE SCREEN.
UH, BUT THIS ONE OVER HERE IS OCTOBER OF 2016.
THAT'S WHEN OUR INITIAL CONCEPT REVIEW WAS SUBMITTED.
IT WAS RESUBMITTED IN JULY OF 2017.
OUR CONCEPT REVIEW PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ORIGINAL VERSION, NOT THE, WITH THE FULL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN SEPTEMBER OF 2017.
UH, AFTER THAT, WE HAD AN INFORMAL SUBMITTAL FOR STAFF COMMENTS IN MARCH OF 2018.
OUR FIRST FORMAL SUBMITTAL, UH, UNDER THE CURRENT APPLICATION NUMBER, UH, WAS APRIL OF 2019.
UH, AS I INDICATED EARLIER IN FEBRUARY OF 2020 WAS WHEN WE MET WITH STAFF, WHICH WAS THE SORT OF THE GENESIS OF THE REDESIGN OF THE SITE, UH, IN
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WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE VERSION OF THE, THAT YOU SEE NOW.UH, OCTOBER OF 2020 WAS OUR CONCEPT REVIEW, P AND ZA HEARING FOR THAT ITERATION OF THE SITE, WHICH WAS JUST THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE LODGING COMPONENTS.
UH, AND THEN FROM JUNE OF 2021, OUR FIRST SUBMITTAL, OUR OCTOBER 21 VIRTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, OUR DECEMBER, 2021 ONSITE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, OUR SECOND FORMAL SUBMITTAL IN FEBRUARY OF 2022.
UH, THE NOTICE FOR THE CFA AMENDMENT IN JUNE OF 2022, THE ADOPTION OF THAT AMENDMENT IN AUGUST OF 2022, OUR THIRD FORMAL SUBMITTAL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.
AND THEN FINALLY THE MOST RECENT SUBMITTAL, WHICH IS MAY OF 2023.
SO THE PROPOSAL THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU NOW, IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, UH, IS FOR A MIXED USE LODGING AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH 110 ROOM OXFORD COLLECTION BRANDED HOTEL AND A 40 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT CONSISTS ENTIRELY OF ONE AND TWO STORY BUILDINGS WITH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 27 FEET.
UH, I KNOW THERE MAY, THERE'S SOME OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH HOW THAT HEIGHT IS MEASURED AND WHERE IT IS, BUT WE'VE PLAN ON BRINGING THAT FULLY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STAFF'S DIRECTION.
UH, THE DEVELOPMENT IS BISECTED BY WHAT WOULD BE A NEW CONNECTOR ROAD, UH, FROM SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE UP TO SOLDIERS PASS AND STATE ROUTE 89 A, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT DOES INCLUDE 28 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, RESTRICTED AND INCOME QUALIFIED TO 80% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME OR LESS.
UH, AND 12 MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY, UH, RESIDENCES THAT ARE DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT IS PROVIDED BY A 174 SPACE, UH, TWO LEVEL PARKING STRUCTURE.
IF YOU'LL RECALL FROM OUR SITE VISIT TODAY, BECAUSE OF THE GRADE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE SITE AND ELK ROAD, WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE GOING A HALF LEVEL UNDERGROUND AND A HALF LEVEL UP.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT GRADE DIFFERENTIAL, THAT HALF LEVEL UP SITS ALMOST ON GRADE WITH ELK ROAD.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE A PARKING STRUCTURE, SORT OF AS YOU TRADITIONALLY THINK OF IT, WHERE IT'S A BIG GRADE STRUCTURE THAT GOES A LEVEL OR SEVERAL LEVELS ABOVE THE GROUND.
THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE FOR THIS.
UH, THESE ARE SOME REAL, UH, SOME RENDERINGS THAT WE HAD PREPARED FOR THE PROJECT TO JUST GIVE A SENSE OF THE CONTEXT AND HOW THIS FITS INTO THE SITE.
UH, AND THE GRADE IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
SO THE, THE SURVEY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE SITE AND THE GRADES ARE, UH, VISUALLY ACCURATE WITH WHAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE BUILT IF THIS PROJECT WERE APPROVED.
DO YOU WANNA POINT OUT WHICH, UH, WHAT THOSE MASSES REPRESENT? YES, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED.
UH, SO THIS WOULD BASICALLY BE, IF YOU WERE SORT OF HOVERING ABOVE WHAT WOULD BE THE SOUTH, LET ME GET MY DIRECT, MY BEARINGS, RIGHT.
IT WOULD BE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF STATE ROUTE 89 A AND SOLDIERS PASS ROAD.
SO YOU'D BE LOOKING FROM 89 A BACK SOUTH THROUGH THE SITE.
SO THIS IS THAT CONNECTOR ROAD 89 A WOULD BE UP OVER HERE.
SO OFTEN THIS CORNER, IT WOULD BE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THOSE 28 UNITS, THE 12 MARKET RATE UNITS BACK IN THIS CORNER OVER HERE.
AND WHAT IS OBSCURED BY THE LANDSCAPING AND THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD BE THE PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, UH, IN THIS CORNER.
YOU SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE, UH, EASTERN OF THE THREE WINGS OF THE HOTEL BUILDING.
SO THE TWO STORIES OF LODGING ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF OUR CONNECTOR ROAD, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE LOBBY AND PORT PORT SHARE, WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE WOULD PULL UP, UH, TO CHECK IN, DROP OFF THEIR BAGS.
AND BEHIND THAT, WITH THE PITCH GROOVES THERE, YOU SEE WHAT WE WOULD CALL OUR TREE HOUSE SUITES, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD ENCIRCLE THE 75 FOOT PONDEROSA PINE THAT WE'LL BE KEEPING ON SITE.
AND THERE'S THAT PINE RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS IS NOW IF YOU WERE AGAIN, SORT OF HOVERING OR SORT OF, YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO BE HOVERING AT THE SITE, UM, ABOVE THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
SO THE WAY THAT THE PARKING STRUCTURE IS SITUATED IS THAT THE NORTHERN RAMP WOULD GO UP AND THE SOUTH SOUTHERN RAMP WOULD GO DOWN.
SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT NORTHERN RAMP GOING UP TO THE UPPER LEVEL OF THE STRUCTURE, THE MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY UNITS OFF HERE TO THE LEFT, THE TREE HOUSE SUITES SORT OF DEAD CENTER, THE PORT K SHARE AND LOBBY RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, AND YOU START TO SEE SORT OF SOME OF THE EDGES OF THE LOBBY, THE LODGING BUILDINGS, UH, OFF TO THE RIGHT.
UH, AND WHAT YOU SEE ON THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING RIGHT THERE, WHICH WE'LL GET TO IN A LATER SLIDE, IS ONE OF THE FIVE RAINWATER HARVESTING TANKS.
ONE, UH, ONE OF EACH OF WHICH IS ATTACHED TO ALL OF THE LODGING BUILDINGS.
UH, AGAIN, DOING SOME MORE HOVERING.
UH, SO NOW WE WOULD BE SORT OF HOVERING OVER THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
SO THIS WOULD BE LOOKING WEST ON 89 A, UH, IN THE FRAME.
HERE YOU SEE THE 28 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS, UH, RIGHT ALONG STATE RIDE 89 A, THE SOLAR CANOPIES ABOVE THE PARKING STRUCTURE THAT WOULD, UH, FRONT TOWARDS ELK ROAD, THE MULTI THE MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY UNITS BACK IN THE CORNER OVER HERE, TREE HOUSE SUITES LOBBY BUILDING.
AND THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY NOW START TO SEE THE THREE ROOFS OF THE MAIN THREE LODGING BUILDINGS KIND OF PEEKING OUT FROM BETWEEN THE TREES AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE.
I JUST POINT OUT THE 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE PATH, UH, AND DETACHED
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SIDEWALK THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF OUR IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 89 A, UH, THIS IS NOW YOU MORE OR LESS BE STANDING ON THE CORNER, WHAT WOULD BE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE.SO JUST BEHIND YOU WOULD BE THE MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
HERE'S THAT 75 FOOT PONDEROSA PINE, THE PITCHED ROOFS OF THE TREE HOUSE SUITES ON THE LEFT HERE, THE PORTEX SHARE AND LOBBY BUILDING, AND THAT EASTERN MOST BUILDING OF THE, UH, MAIN LODGING BUILDINGS, UH, ALONG OUR CONNECTOR ROAD THAT GOES UP TO 89 AND SOLDIERS PASS ROAD.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST OF THE FIVE RENDERINGS.
UH, THIS WOULD BE IF YOU WERE STANDING IN THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE THAT WE, WE WILL HAVE SITTING ABOVE THE LOBBY, UH, LOOKING TO THE RED ROCKS OVER TO THE NORTH.
UM, BEHIND YOU WOULD BE THE WALL OF OUR, UH, ELEVATOR TOWER.
SO WE'VE ORIENTED THIS ROOFTOP LOUNGE IN A WAY THAT'S POINTED AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO HELP WITH SOUND, BUT THEN ALSO MADE SURE THAT THERE ARE ACTUAL PHYSICAL STRUCTURES BEHIND IT TO HELP SCREEN THAT NOISE AND LIGHT AS WELL.
BEFORE I, UH, UH, THERE'S STILL SOME MORE TO GO, BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I CONTINUE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION? OKAY.
UH, SO JUST THE HOTEL PORTION OF IT.
SO IT'S A TOTAL OF 110 GUEST ROOMS, 102 STANDARD ROOMS WITH EIGHT, THOSE EIGHT TREE HOUSE SUITES, WHICH YOU SEE INDICATED IN GREEN HERE.
THE STANDARD ROOMS DIVIDED INTO THOSE THREE WING WINGS OF THE LODGING BUILDINGS.
THE TREE HOUSE SUITES SURROUNDED IN THE LOBBY WITH THAT 75 FOOT PONDEROSA PINE, UH, A VALET ONLY PARKING SERVICE WITH ELECTRONIC CARTS FOR GUEST TRANSPORTATION.
WE'RE REALLY PURSUING WHAT WE WOULD CALL A PARK ONCE PHILOSOPHY HERE.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO USE THEIR CARS ONCE THEY PARK.
UH, THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES, ONE OF WHICH IS THAT AT THIS PROPERTY, ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHER COLLECTION, UH, PROPERTIES IN THE OXFORD COLLECTION, THEY DUE TO A COMPLIMENTARY SHUTTLE SERVICE WITHIN A FIVE MILE RADIUS, UH, AND BY MY MATH, A FIVE MILE RADIUS WOULD GET YOU OUT TO THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK AND BELL ROCK, UH, IF YOU WERE GOING OUT TO 89 A, OR SORRY, OUT THROUGH 89 A AND BACK UP TO 1 79, I MEASURED IT WITH GOOGLE MAPS.
UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WESTERN SEDONA WOULD BE A, A MUCH SHORTER TRIP TO GET YOU ALL THE WAY TO WEST SEDONA.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD GET YOU ALL THE WAY TO, UH, PAGE SPRINGS.
UM, BUT THERE IS A FIVE MILE RADIUS AND, AND, AND GRANTED THAT DOES VARY FROM PROPERTY TO PROPERTY, SO I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS HOW FAR WOULD WE WANT THAT SHUTTLE SERVICE TO GO, UH, IN, IN ORDER TO REALLY ENFORCE THAT PARK ONCE PHILOSOPHY HOTEL.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN FOR A SECOND? CAN, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING AREA YES.
COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? THIS ONE THAT USE? YES.
SO THIS, UH, THE SURFACE AREA IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
SO THAT IS A SMALL SURFACE LOT.
UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TWO BUS PARKING SPACES AND 21, UH, TRADITIONAL PARKING SPACES.
WE'D HAVE TWO EV CHARGERS, UH, AND SOME OF OUR, UM, ADA PARKING IN THAT AREA IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE THERE WEREN'T ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.
SO HOTEL AMENITIES, UH, WE WILL HAVE A 3,800 SQUARE FOOT LOBBY RESTAURANT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE, THAT'S BEHIND.
SO THIS WOULD BE THAT PORT CASHIER AT THE EAST END WHERE YOU'D ENTER THE LOBBY, MAIN LOBBY AREA, 2300 SQUARE FOOT INDOOR RESTAURANT AREA WITH A 500 SQUARE FOOT BAR.
AND THEN ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR AREA THAT WOULD BE ENCLOSED BY OUR INTERNAL COURTYARD.
THE 1800 SQUARE FOOT ROOFTOP TERRACE, UH, THAT IS DIVIDED INTO AN 18 SEAT RAMADA BAR.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SAW IN THE RENDERING.
A VARIETY OF SEATING AREAS WITH VIEWS TO THOSE OF THOSE RED ROCKS TO THE NORTH AND THE NORTHEAST.
AN ADULTS ONLY POOL AND SPA FOR GUESTS.
SO WE DO HAVE A MAIN LEVEL SORT OF GENERAL HOTEL POOL, BUT THERE'S A MUCH SMALLER, I GUESS WHAT YOU WOULD CALL PLUNGE POOL AND, UM, HOT TUB, UH, IN THAT ROOF AREA.
UH, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF GATED OFF.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BUT IT WOULD BE AN AREA SORT OF IN THAT, UH, ROOFTOP AREA.
BUT AGAIN, LIKE THE LOUNGE IS SCREENED BECAUSE OF THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDINGS.
OH, I CAN GO BACK WITH THE WHEEL.
UH, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE CONFIGURED BOTH THE RESTAURANT AND THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE IS TO MAKE IT WHAT WE WOULD CALL SEMI-PUBLIC, MEANING THAT IT'S 50% PUBLIC, 50% PRIVATE, THAT WOULD BE MANAGED BY THE, UH, POINT OF SALE SYSTEM, UH, FOR BOTH OF THOSE ENTITIES, WHICH IS SORT OF THE, THE DIGITAL SCREEN THAT YOU CHECK IN ON AND GET RESERVATIONS THROUGH.
AND THE WAY THAT WE WOULD MANAGE THAT, UH, IS THAT AT ALL TIMES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE, THE PUBLIC INTEREST IS IN GOING THERE, 50% OF THAT SPACE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OUR PARKING CALCS WOULD BE RESERVED FOR GUESTS.
SO IF THERE WERE, IF THERE WAS MORE GUEST INTEREST THAN 50%, WE WOULD ALLOW THAT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T AFFECT OUR PARKING BECAUSE THOSE GUESTS ARE ALREADY PARKED THERE.
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THE 50% THRESHOLD AND HAVE MORE THAN 50% GUESTS, BUT YOU CAN NEVER GO THE OTHER WAY AND HAVE MORE THAN 50% OF EITHER OF THOSE USES FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE PARKING.UH, AND THEN A 3,200 SQUARE FOOT BASEMENT LEVEL CONFERENCE CENTER, THIS IS BELOW THE LOBBY, AND YOU SEE THE LAYOUT OF THIS CONFERENCE CENTER HERE, UH, IN ORDER TO MINI TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND PARKING, THAT WOULD AGAIN, BE A CONFERENCE CENTER THAT WOULD BE ONLY FOR USE BY GUESTS.
UM, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF ANSWERING IT IN BOTH THE WAY THAT IT'S DESCRIBED IN THE PARKING ANALYSIS, BUT ALSO THE LOI, UH, AND I'VE CONFIRMED THIS WITH THE BANEY, AND I'M SURE THEY'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK MORE TO IT, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS THAT AS A RESULT OF SIMPLY BY VIRTUE OF IT BEING THERE, AND EVEN IF IT WASN'T FOR ONLY GUESTS, THAT IT WOULD CREATE A, A HIGHER PARKING DEMAND JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE STAFFING FOR IT.
UH, BUT THE, THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD STAFF THE CONFERENCE CENTER, THAT WOULD OVERLAP WITH OTHER JOBS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE RESORT.
SO THEY ARE, THEY WOULD NOT BE JOBS OR TASKS THAT WOULD BE EXCLUSIVE TO THE CONFERENCE CENTER.
THOSE WOULD BE TASKS THAT WE MANAGED BY EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD ALREADY BE NEEDED FOR OTHER THINGS.
SO IT WOULD NOT ACTUALLY IMPACT THE PARKING DEMAND.
WE JUST NEED TO MORE CLEARLY STATE THAT IN BOTH OUR PARKING ANALYSIS AND OUR LOI.
SO FOR THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT, UH, SO ON THAT NORTHERN NORTHEASTERN CORNER IN THE PURPLE BUILDINGS, 28 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS DIVIDED INTO TWO, UH, 14 UNIT QUADS OF THOSE WOULD BE INCOME QUALIFIED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, FOR INDIVIDUALS EARNING UP TO 80% OF THE AMI THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, UH, PER THE DIGA RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD BE, UM, AGREED TO THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, UH, AND RESTRICTED FOR A MINIMUM OF 50 YEARS TO THE TARGET POPULATION.
UH, THE WORKFORCE COMPONENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS SITE, AT LEAST FROM, FROM MY MATH AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER PROJECTS, AND I'D BE HAPPY FOR STAFF TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, BUT WOULD BE BY A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT MARGIN.
THE, THE SINGLE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTION IN TERMS OF ACTUAL WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS THAT ANY HOTEL OR HOSPITALITY DEVELOPER HAS PROPOSED, UH, AND IS EQUAL TO 233% OR 2.3 TIMES THE D**O RECOMMENDATION OF 12% OF YOUR, UH, HOTEL KEYS.
ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE, WE HAVE A 12 UNIT, TWO STORY DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF MARKET RATE, ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF, SORRY, THAT'S REDUNDANT IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
UH, AND I, I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING OF, OF INTEREST GIVEN THE ISSUES THAT THE CITY IS HAVING WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT THESE WOULD BE DEEDED RESTRICTED IN PERPETUITY FROM, FROM BEING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO THEY'D BE PREVENTED, UH, THROUGH A DEEDED RESTRICTION FROM EVER BEING USED, UH, AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THESE WOULD BE LONG-TERM LEASES FOREVER, AS FAR AS THE DEEDED RESTRICTION IS CONCERNED, UH, CIRCULATION, UH, SO AS, AS A, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE SOLDIERS PASS, CFA, WE ARE DOING THE, THE CONNECTOR ROAD.
AND I KNOW I'VE TOUCHED ON THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, THAT WOOD CONNECT, SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE UP TO THE SIGNAL AT SOLDIERS PASS.
UH, AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE SIGNALED ACCESS TO THE NOT PREVI SIGNALED ACCESS THAT DID NOT PREVIOUSLY EXIST FOR THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE A NEW 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, UH, COMING FROM SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE UP THROUGH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT TO CONNECT TO THE 10 FOOT MULTI-USE PATH ON 89 A, UH, COMPLETION AND EXTENSION OF THE, OF THE SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE SIDEWALK.
SO GOING DOWN ALL EXTENDING TO VALLEY VIEW DRIVE, AND THEN CONSTRUCTING A NEW SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY UP TO 89 A, THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION ELK ROAD.
I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, TOUCHED ON REPEATEDLY IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE, ARE COMMITTED TO IMPROVING, UH, TO ENHANCING THAT CONNECTION TO ELK ROAD AND ALSO EVALUATING THE FEASIBILITY OF ENHANCING THE ACTUAL SIDEWALK ALONG ELK ROAD.
UH, RIGHT NOW IT IS A THREE FOOT WIDE DG OR DECOMPOSED GRANITE PATH, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE CORNER OF THE SITE UP TO ELK ROAD.
WE'RE LOOKING, AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE GRADE DIFFERENTIAL AND THE AMOUNT OF SPACE WE HAVE TO WORK WITH BETWEEN THE PARKING STRUCTURE AND ELK ROAD OF HOW MUCH ROOM WE HAVE TO WORK WITH AND WHETHER WE CAN DO A FULL BLOWN SIDEWALK THERE.
UH, BUT THAT IS, IS, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN DO, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WILL COME BACK WITH AS, AS A COMMITMENT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, MULTIPLE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, THE POINTS IN ORANGE HERE, UH, FROM INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS OUT TO THE EXTERNAL PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS.
UH, AND THEN RELOCATING THE EXISTING LINK STOP ON 89 A, UH, OVER TO ON THE SITE AND INCLUDING A BUS, SHELTER, BIKE RACKS, WATER STATION TO REALLY FULLY IMPROVE, UH, THE LINK STOP TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW, THE CONNECTOR ROAD, AS I'VE TOUCHED ON REPEATEDLY.
UH, WE'D ALSO BE ADDING A DECELERATION LANE TO EASTBOUND STATE ROUTE 89 A, UH, TO ASSIST WITH ANY BACKUP THAT WOULD OCCUR FROM PEOPLE MAKING A RIGHT TURN FROM EASTBOUND 89 A INTO THE SITE.
LANE, UH, WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, ADOT REQUESTED THAT WE WERE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH.
UH, ALSO ADDING A, AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT ADOT REQUIRED, UH, ADDING A PORK CHOP, UH, WHICH IS
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REALLY JUST A SORT OF A SMALL MEDIAN AT SAVA ROCK CIRCLE AND 89 A LIMITING THAT TO WRITE IN, WRITE OUT AS A RESULT OF ALLOWING SIGNALIZE ACCESS UP THROUGH THE CONNECTOR ROAD.UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT ADOT ASKED US TO DO.
UH, AND WITH THESE PROPOSED TRAFFIC INPRO IMPROVEMENTS PER OUR TIA THAT WOULD KEEP ALL INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE WITHIN THE STUDY AT, UH, ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE, AND IN FACT, AS A RESULT OF THE PORK CHOP AT SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE IN 89 A, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE LOS OR THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THERE.
RIGHT NOW, THAT INTERSECTION IS FAILING, UH, AS A RESULT OF PEOPLE SITTING FOR A LONG TIME TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE ONTO EIGHT, ONTO WESTBOUND 89 A.
THAT MOVEMENT WOULD NO LONGER BE POSSIBLE AS A RESULT OF THE PORK CHOP.
SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE CIRCULATION AT THAT INTERSECTION.
UH, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHICH I'M GONNA GET TO IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, THE, THE PROPOSED, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE BETWEEN THE 110 ROOM HOTEL AND THE 40 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY, UH, EVEN IN THE MOST, OR I WOULD SAY THE LEAST INTENSE SCENARIO UNDER DEVELOPING WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, UH, OUR PROPOSAL GENERATES MULTIPLE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE LESS TRAFFIC THAN IF WE WERE TO DEVELOP THIS WITH COMMERCIAL AND, AND MULTIFAMILY ZONING.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER DO WAS TO DO A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS THAT LOOKED AT FOUR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS DEVELOPING UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING.
WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU GET UP TO 60% LOT COVERAGE WITH CO ZONING DOING THAT AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND THEN WE ASKED THEM TO DO THAT AT A HUNDRED PERCENT, AT 75% AT 50%, AND THEN ULTIMATELY 25% OF THAT AVAILABLE LOCK COVERAGE.
MR. TATE, CAN YOU ENLARGE THE IMAGE? UM, SORRY, I TRIED TO ZOOM, MAYBE I CAN DO.
NO, IT'S A, UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T, I CAN PROVIDE THESE TABLES TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, WE JUST RECENTLY HAD THESE PREPARED, UH, BUT, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS, IS IT TAKES, AGAIN, SO SCENARIO ONE, IF YOU USED ALL 100% OF THE AVAILABLE LOT COVERAGE, SCENARIO TWO WOULD BE 75% OF THE AVAILABLE LOT COVERAGE, 50%, AND THEN 25%.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF ACTUAL LOCK COVERAGE WOULD BE 60%, 45%, 30%, AND THEN 15%.
UH, THE, THE, THE 100% SCENARIO WAS REALLY JUST FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES.
I THINK BECAUSE OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC, YOU COULDN'T PUT, YOU COULDN'T USE ALL OF YOUR LOCK COVERAGE IF YOU TRIED.
UM, BUT FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES, IF YOU WERE TO USE ALL 100% OF THE AVAILABLE LOCK COVERAGE AND DIVIDE THAT AMONG TRADITIONAL RETAIL USES A RESTAURANT, A DR RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH A COFFEE SHOP AND GAS STATION, ALL OF WHICH ARE USES BY RIGHT.
WITH THE CO ZONE, UH, THAT WOULD GENERATE 14,478 TRIPS PER DAY, UH, AMONG THE SAME MIX OF USES, BUT REDUCING THE LOT COVERAGE.
AND THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AT 75% OF THAT AVAILABLE LOT COVERAGE WOULD BE 12,100 TRIPS PER DAY.
OH, MOVING TOO FAST AT 30% LOCK COVERAGE, WHICH WOULD AGAIN BE 50% OF THE AVAILABLE LOCK COVERAGE AMONG THOSE USES WOULD BE 9,000 TRIPS PER DAY.
AND THEN, AGAIN, UNDER THE LEAST INTENSE COMMERCIAL SCENARIO.
SO ONLY USING 15% LOCK COVERAGE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
AND IN EACH OF THESE SCENARIOS, IT CONTEMPLATES 12 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, WHICH WOULD BE THAT ONE ACRE OF MULTIFAMILY IN THE CORNER, UH, BUT EVEN ONLY WITH 15% COMMERCIAL LOT COVERAGE DI DIVIDED AMONG THOSE USES THAT IT WOULD GENERATE 6,000 TRIPS PER DAY COMPARED WITH WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE, WHICH WOULD BE THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, THE HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANT THAT WOULD GENERATE 1,374 TRIPS OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD.
SO EVEN IN THE LEAST INTENSE COMMERCIAL SCENARIO, IT WOULD GENERATE FOUR AND A HALF TIMES THE TRAFFIC OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE.
SO IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT A RESPONSIBLE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE IS, AND IT, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING, IT'S A VACANT LOT, SO IT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED AS SOMETHING.
SO IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT GETTING AT THE THINGS THAT ARE THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND ONE OF THEM BEING HOUSING, WHICH WE WE'LL GET INTO WITH THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO TRAFFIC, WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING HERE, CREATES A SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER TRAFFIC IMPACT ON THE CITY, THEN VIRTUALLY ANY SCENARIO UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING IF YOU WERE TO DEVELOP THIS SITE BY RIGHT.
DID THAT TABLE SHOW AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC? SO THE WAY THAT THE, OR SORRY.
SO, UM, THE UNDER, UNDER THE PROPOSAL, THE BUSIEST A, SORRY, THE AM PEAK, SO THE BUSIEST PORTION IN THE MORNING WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 111 TRIPS IN AND OUT.
UH, SO THAT WOULD, THAT'S BOTH COMING AND GOING COMBINED WOULD BE 111, 111 TRIPS OVER THE COURSE OF THE BUSIEST HOUR.
AND SO IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO, OKAY.
AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE DISCREET DATA JUST FOR THIS APPLICATION.
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THE RESTAURANT IS RECEIVING 50% OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC? YES, IT DOES.SO, SO ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE BUILT INTO BOTH THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND THE PARKING ANALYSIS ASSUME THAT 50% OF BOTH OF THOSE USES ARE FOR GUESTS ONLY.
SO PARKING, AGAIN, OUR MAJORITY OF THE PARKING IS A, UH, ACCOMMODATED BY THE STRUCTURE ON THE EAST END OF THE SITE.
AND THEN ALSO A SMALL AMOUNT OF THE SURFACE LOT, UH, PER THE PARKING STUDY, UH, A TOTAL OF 196 SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
AND AGAIN, PER THE STAFF REPORT, WE REALIZE WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME REMAINING QUESTIONS TO ADDRESS AND WORK OUT WITH THE PARKING ANALYSIS.
UH, BUT USING THE LDCS PARKING CODE REQUIREMENTS, WE'D CALCULATE, WE CALCULATE 196 SPACES REQUIRED, AND WE'RE PROVIDING A TOTAL OF 205, UH, USING THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE'S PARKING DATA FOR PEAK PARKING DEMAND, WHICH DID INCLUDE A SURVEY OF SEDONA OVER A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF LANE USES AND THE AMOUNT OF PARKING DEMAND THOSE GENERATE.
UH, IT CALCULATES A PEAK WEEK WEEKDAY DEMAND OF 190 AND A PEAK WEEK END DEMAND OF 194 AT THE ABSOLUTE BUSIEST MOST DEMANDING PARKING TIMES, UH, WHICH WE ACCOMMODATE WITH 205 SPACES.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION? PLEASE? YES, PLEASE.
IT, UM, RELATED TO THE MORE OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS RATHER THAN THE PARKING, BUT, UM, HOW IS THE SHUTTLE THE USE OF SHUTTLE CALCULATED INTO YOUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS? IT'S ACTUALLY NOT.
SO THAT WILL ACTUALLY HELP OUR ANALYSIS, I ASSUME, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING IN WE'VE HAD SINCE, UH, ABOUT A WEEK AT THIS POINT, TO REVIEW THE STAFF REPORT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESPOND TO A LOT OF THESE ITEMS. AND AGAIN, REALLY DIGGING INTO THEM AND ACTUALLY SITTING DOWN WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS THESE ITEMS IS GONNA TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OPERATOR, UH, THAT WE DISCOVERED WAS THIS SHUTTLE SERVICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE QUESTION JUST HADN'T BEEN ASKED, BUT, UH, OR THAT HAD IT MADE ITS WAY INTO EITHER A TRAFFIC OR PARKING ANALYSIS.
UH, BUT NEITHER OF THOSE ASSUME ANY BENEFIT FROM THE SHUTTLE SERVICE 'CAUSE IT SIMPLY WASN'T INCORPORATED.
CAN I ASK ANOTHER PARKING QUESTION? PLEASE? UH, WILL THE PARKING STRUCTURE BE A FLAT SURFACE OR A SLOPE SURFACE? MY, MY HOPE IS ONE DAY WE DON'T NEED 200 PARKING SPACES BECAUSE OUR TRANSIT PROGRAM IS JUST SO SUCCESSFUL.
UM, AND YOU CAN'T REDEVELOP A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT'S NOT FLAT OR YOU CAN'T, WHAT'S THE WORD FOR TAKING SOMETHING AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING? REPURPOSE.
DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S FLAT? GRANTED, UH, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S NOT ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED AS IT RELATES TO THE SITE.
IT'S CERTAINLY ONE THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED ON SITES IN, UM, URBAN SETTINGS MM-HMM.
AND FRANKLY, THAT'S ALWAYS, THAT'S TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT'S WELCOMED BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS MORE USELESS THAN A PARKING SPACE THAT'S NOT BEING USED.
UH, AND SO IT'S CERTAINLY IN OUR BENEFIT TO SORT OF PLAN AND DESIGN FOR THE FUTURE, UH, IN A WAY WHERE IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE TO REPURPOSE IT THAN TO TEAR IT OUTTA THE GROUND.
RIGHT? SO, UNKNOWN THE SLOPE, BUT SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED SOMETHING WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO.
UM, AND IT'S A GREAT PIECE OF INPUT THAT WE WILL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT SUSTAINABILITY.
UH, SO THIS IS SOMETHING AGAIN THAT WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN A HARD LOOK AT AND TRIED TO INCORPORATE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
UM, THE FIRST OF WHICH, AM I DOING OKAY ON TIME? I JUST HOPE I'M NOT FINE.
UM, HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE? A LOT.
UM, AND WHAT, WHAT I'LL DO IS THERE'S, THERE'S A JUNCTURE AT WHICH I CAN PAUSE BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A PORTION OF THE, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION ONCE I'M ACTUALLY FINISHED GOING THROUGH THE PROJECT, THAT SIMPLY GETS INTO THE WAY THAT WE VIEW THE ANALYSIS OF OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE CFA AND I CAN, I THINK WE'D BE, BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
WELL, PERHAPS MORE SO THAN THE ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE ACQUAINTED WITH BY READING THE STAFF REPORT.
AND I ALSO, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO BREEZE THROUGH THESE A LITTLE BIT FASTER, BUT SUSTAINABILITY, I KNOW IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY.
UH, THE RAINWATER HARVESTING, SO THOSE ARE TANKS.
THOSE BLUE DOTS THAT YOU SEE ON EACH OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, ARE HIGH CAPACITY, UH, RAINWATER TANKS THAT WOULD BE DESIGNED TO COLLECT ALL RAINWATER.
THAT THAT FALLS OFF OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, THAT WOULD BE REPURPOSED TO IRRIGATE ALL OF OUR ONSITE LANDSCAPING.
AND IT ACTUALLY HAS THE SIDE BENEFIT OF REDUCING, UH, OUR STORMWATER RETENTION TANK REQUIREMENTS BY A THIRD.
UH, WE'RE DOING SOLAR PANELS ON THE PARKING CANOPIES, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW POWERING OF OUR LANDSCAPE LIGHTING, OUR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION CONTROLS, RAINWATER HARVESTING PUMPS, AND POTENTIALLY THE PARKING STRUCTURE LIGHTING.
UH, WE'RE DOING A TOTAL OF 10 EV PARKING SPACES, SO FOUR ON THE UPPER LEVEL OF THE
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STRUCTURE, FOUR ON THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE STRUCTURE, TWO IN THE SURFACE AREA.UH, BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, AS A RESULT OF A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE READ IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE'RE NOW TAKING A MUCH HARDER LOOK AT, UM, THAT I THINK WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO, BUT DON'T HAVE A HARD NUMBER FOR WHAT EXACTLY IT LOOKS LIKE YET, IS DOING AN ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL EV READY SPACES.
SO WE'RE LAYING THE CONDUIT, WE'RE PUTTING IN THE JUNCTION, THE JUNCTION BOXES SO THAT IF, IF WE DECIDE WE WANNA DO MORE EV SPACES, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS OPENING UP THE JUNCTION BOX AND WIRING IT IN, RATHER THAN HAVING TO TEAR UP A PARKING SPACE OR A SIDEWALK TO DO IT.
UH, THE SKY, THE SITE IS FULLY DARK SKY COMPLIANT WITH OUR LIGHTING.
UH, AND WE'RE DOING LDC COMPLIANT ZEROSCAPE LANDSCAPING WITH 67% NATIVE TREES AND 60% NATIVE SHRUBS.
THIS GREEN HOTEL COMMITMENT, WHICH AGAIN WAS IN THE LOI, UH, AND I BELIEVE WAS EVALUATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE OXFORD COLLECTION DOES AT ALL OF ITS PROPERTIES.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY BE INCORPORATED, UH, INTO THIS PROPERTY AS WELL.
BUT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT I GOT IN AS A RESULT OF MY CONVERSATION WITH THE CLIENTS TODAY THAT I THINK WOULD BE OF INTEREST, UM, TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, THE FIRST OF WHICH, AND IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE SITE PLAN.
I JUST MUST HAVE MISSED IT IN THE LOI, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS.
'CAUSE I KNOW, UH, AS, PARTICULARLY AS IT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED BY ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS IN THE SITE VISIT WAS BIKE STORAGE.
UH, WE HAVE A SECURE BIKE STOR STORAGE AREA THAT IS BELOW THE TREEHOUSE SUITES TO ACCOMMODATE SECURE BIKE STORAGE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO GO MOUNTAIN BIKING FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
SO IT'S A ALMOST 400 SQUARE FOOT SPACE, UH, BENEATH THE TREE HOUSE SUITES THAT WOULD NOT ONLY BE UTILIZED FOR SECURE BIKE STORAGE, BUT WOULD ALSO HAVE A BIKE FIX-IT AREA.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A GROUND MOUNTED BICYCLE STAND WITH TOOLS AND AIR PUMPS AND ALL OF THE STUFF THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO, TO REPAIR YOUR BIKE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE A ROUGHLY 400 SQUARE FOOT SPACE UNDER THE TREE HOUSE SUITES.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE, AND THIS IS AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT THE, THE BANEY DO AT ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES COMPLIMENTARY, UH, BIKE RENTALS.
SO THESE WOULD BE BIKES THAT WOULD BE ON SITE THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR FREE FOR GUESTS TO USE TO BIKE AROUND, UH, WEST SEDONA.
UM, AS, AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW MANY THEY'VE DONE AT OTHER PROPERTIES.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE IDENTIFIED EXACTLY HOW MANY WE'RE GONNA DO HERE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST STARTED DISCUSSING TODAY.
UH, BUT IF ROBIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU AT A, AT THE OXFORD HOTEL, YOU HAVE 69 ROOMS BIKE AND 1110 BIKES.
SO FOR 110 PERHAPS IT'S MORE, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT A NUMBER, UH, VERY QUICKLY THROUGH THE PUBLIC BENEFITS.
SO AGAIN, 28 UNITS OF INCOME QUALIFIED WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AND, AND THIS IS, UH, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO LITIGATING THE STAFF REPORT HERE BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S A USEFUL MEASURE OF OUR TIME, BUT THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A STATEMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT, UH, IN THE ANALYSIS, I THINK IT WAS VIA THE CFA, UH, THAT THIS WAS A HOTEL OR A PROJECT THAT WAS PROVIDING LITTLE TO NO PUBLIC BENEFIT.
UH, AND, AND THAT'S A STATEMENT IN PARTICULAR THAT I TAKE EXCEPTION TO, GIVEN THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, ELEMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE, BUT ALSO ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'VE OUTLINED, BUT IN PARTICULAR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT, UH, THE CONNECTOR ROAD, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'LL BE, THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT IN TERMS OF OVERALL CIRCULATION.
AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING A MUCH HARDER LOOK AT ELK ROAD AND WHAT THAT PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION CONNECTION LOOKS LIKE.
THE EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALK ALONG SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE FROM VALLEY V DRIVE TO 89 89 A, THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE SIDEWALKS ALONG 89 A, THE LINK SHELTER AND THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE COOK CEMETERY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WERE RIGHTLY CRITICIZED FOR IN THE STAFF REPORT AS NOT HAVING FULLY MADE A COMMITMENT TO, AND THAT WAS SOME, SOME SIMPLY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON BUT HAVEN'T REALLY ESTABLISHED, UH, A COMMITMENT TO.
BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ARRANGED A MEETING, I DON'T BELIEVE A DATE HAS BEEN SET YET FOR A MEETING WITH NATE MYERS, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE SITAN HISTORICAL SOCIETY, AND THE, UM, I'M GONNA GET THE NAME WRONG, BUT IT HAD THE, THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM, UH, FOR HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY PARTNER AND, AND COMMIT TO A, A CONCRETE ENDOWMENT THAT WOULD HELP, UH, IMPROVE THE COOK CEMETERY.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK ONCE WE'VE SAT DOWN WITH HIM AND MADE THAT COMMITMENT, AND IT WILL BE A CONCRETE COMMITMENT THAT WE'LL BE PROUD TO PRESENT TO THIS, UH, COMMISSION.
BUT THAT IS ALSO A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO NOW WE'LL, WE'LL GET INTO THE, THE ELEMENTS OF THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA.
UH, I'LL, I'LL PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS HERE BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY AT LEAST 10 SLIDES.
SO, AND THIS IS JUST AN OVER, BUT BEFORE I GET STARTED, THIS IS AN OVERARCHING COMMENT THAT I BELIEVE APPLIES NOT ONLY TO THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA, BUT ALSO TO THE SEDONA GO PLAN TO THE, UM, UH, THE, THE CAP PLAN AND THEN ALSO THE THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UM, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE, WHEN I SAY CAP PLAN, UH, THESE ARE POLICY PLANS THAT ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPLICANTS.
AND, AND I BELIEVE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ROOM WHERE REASONABLE MINDS CAN DIFFER.
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I FRANKLY DISAGREE WITH THE WAY THAT THESE PLANS ARE BEING APPLIED, UH, IN THE ANALYSIS, IN THE, IN THE WAY THAT THIS REVIEW IS OCCURRING.IF YOU READ THROUGH THE ANALYSIS AND THE, THE COMPLIANCE, PARTIAL COMPLIANCE NONCOMPLIANT, IT, IT, IT ALMOST SEEMS AS THE, AS THOUGH THESE ARE BEING TREATED AS REGULATORY DOCUMENTS.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS A REGULATORY DOCUMENT.
YOU EITHER COMPLY OR YOU DON'T BASED ON THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THERE.
THE CFA, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THESE ARE ALL A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND MANY OF WHICH WE'VE INCORPORATED INTO THIS PROJECT.
SOME OF WHICH THEY'RE FOR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S ECONOMICALLY INFEASIBLE OR IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN AREAS WHERE WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED EVERY SINGLE RECOMMENDATION, IT'S BEING TREATED AS PARTIAL COMPLIANCE OR NON-COMPLIANCE.
AND THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF IT RELATED TO A REGULATORY DOCUMENT.
BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE POLICY PLANS THAT ARE A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE EVERY SINGLE RECOMMENDATION MAY NOT APPLY TO A PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND SO, I, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND IN WHEN REVIEWING, UH, THE WAY THAT THIS APPLICATION IS BEING JUDGED RELATIVE TO NON-REGULATORY DOCUMENTS.
UH, SO FOR THE, FOR, FOR THE FIRST SOLDIERS' PAST CFA ELEMENT, WHICH IS HOUSING DIVERSITY, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THE WAY THE, AND THESE ARE THE ACTUAL WEDDINGS THAT ARE IN THE CFA INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN THE CFA, WE ARE DOING THAT DEMONSTRABLY WE ARE PROVIDING FOUR UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY IN A COMBINATION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AND MARKET RATE HOUSING.
BUT IT'S BEING TREATED AS AN AREA OF PARTIAL COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THERE'S A QUESTION RAISED AS TO WHETHER WE ARE OFFSETTING THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE WOULD BE EMPLOYING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, I TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THE WAY THAT THAT'S BEING TREATED, BECAUSE IF THIS WERE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT UNDER, WHICH WOULD BE DEVELOPED BY WRIGHT, WHICH AGAIN, UH, WOULD SIMPLY BE GOING THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW RATHER THAN A ZONE CHANGE, AND THERE'S NO DGA RECOMMEND OR EXPECTATION OR RECOMMENDATION FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT YET IT WOULD BE PRODUCING JUST AS MANY, IF NOT MORE EMPLOYEES THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
THIS, THERE IS STILL A, A BENEFIT AND THERE IS STILL A DEMONSTRABLE PROVISION OF WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO I TAKE ISSUE WITH THIS BEING TREATED AS AN AREA OF NON-COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE ARE PROVIDING 40 NEW MARKET, 40 NEW MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT DO NOT EXIST IN THE CITY OF SEDONA AND WOULD EXIST AFTER THEY WERE BUILT HERE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO, UH, ENUMERATE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE? I, I BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 20 TO 30 EMPLOYEES TOTAL AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
I THOUGHT STAFF SAID IT WAS 30 TO 35.
I BELIEVE THAT IT'S 2020 TO 30 IN THE LOI THELEN, THE LETTER OF INTENT SAYS 20 TO 30 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
WE HAD ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION ON PART-TIME OR SEASONAL EMPLOYEES AND HAD NOT GOTTEN A RESPONSE TO THAT.
AND SO ARE YOU ABLE TO, UH, DETERMINE HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR AFFORDABLE? SO ALL OF THEM WOULD BE ELIGIBLE? WHAT WE CAN'T DO, UM, BECAUSE OF FAIR HOUSING LAWS IS, IS RESTRICT THEM TO JUST OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO WE CAN MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO OUR EMPLOYEES FIRST.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEM AN OFFER AS PART OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT TO TAKE US UP ON THE OFFER TO RENT ONE OF THOSE UNITS.
BUT WE, IF, IF ANOTHER QUALIFIED APPLICANT MM-HMM.
SO WE CAN MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FIRST TO, UH, THE EMPLOYEES OF THIS PROJECT.
WE CAN MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FIRST THROUGH OFFERS TO OTHER EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
WE CAN MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FIRST TO TEACHERS, FIRST RESPONDERS.
WE CAN MAKE THOSE PROACTIVE EFFORTS TO MAKE THOSE UNITS AVAILABLE TO THAT COMMUNITY.
BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WHO QUALIFIES COMES ALONG, WE CAN'T TURN THEM AWAY BECAUSE OF FAIR HOUSING LAWS.
UH, THE, THESE OTHER ONES WHERE I'VE SIMPLY CHECKED THEM OFF BUT NOT PROVIDED AN EXPLANATION, UH, STAFF HAS SIMPLY FOUND THAT WE WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE ELEMENTS.
SO C COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS SHOULD INCORPORATE HOUSING SUCH AS WORKFORCE, AFFORDABLE AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.
THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES SHOULD INCREASE WITH MORE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS, OBVIOUSLY, BOTH OF WHICH WE ARE DOING HERE.
SO TRAFFIC FLOWING AND CONNECTIVITY SAFETY AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON 89 A AND INTERSECTING STREETS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH APPROPRIATE STREET IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS ENHANCED CROSSWALKS, MEDIANS, AND ROUNDABOUTS.
I BELIEVE THE COMMENT HERE WAS THAT WE WERE NOT PROVIDING ANY STREET IMPROVEMENTS TO 89 A, UH, AGAIN, TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT FOR A FEW REASONS.
THE FIRST OF WHICH IS WE ARE PROVIDING THE DECELERATION LANE, WE'RE PROVIDING THE CONNECTION TO 89 A FROM SOLDIERS PASS ROAD AND SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE THAT DID NOT PREVIOUSLY EXIST.
WE'RE ADDING THE PORK CHOP TO SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND 89 A AND MEDIANS AND ROUNDABOUTS, UH, WERE TWO THINGS THAT WERE NOT REQUESTED OR SUGGESTED BY ADOT IN THEIR REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK MORE GLOBALLY ABOUT WEST SEDONA AND 89 A, WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE MEDIANS AND IN PARTICULAR, BUT
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ALSO ROUNDABOUTS, THAT THOSE HAVE SECOND AND THIRD ORDER EFFECTS WHEN YOU INSTALL A ROUNDABOUT, WHEN, WHEN YOU INSTALL A MEDIAN.AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PLACE AS PART OF A MUCH LARGER TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO SPAN ALL THE WAY FROM THE EDGE OF WEST SEDONA, UH, TO THE ROUNDABOUT AT 1 79 AND 89 A TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S COORDINATION, BECAUSE PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO MEDIANS, YOU'RE NOW HAVING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE BREAKS IN THE MEDIANS ARE GONNA OCCUR.
FOR DEDICATED LEFTS TO GET IN AND OUT OF PROJECTS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO START CONSOLIDATING DRIVEWAYS, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S ACCESS IN AND OUT.
SO, TO SUGGEST THAT WE ARE SOMEHOW NON-COMPLIANT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN A MEDIAN OR A ROUNDABOUT THAT ADOT DIDN'T ASK FOR, AND FRANKLY WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE ON THIS GRANULAR OF A SCALE, BECAUSE IT WOULD NEED TO BE PART OF A, UH, A LARGER TRANSPORTATION PROJECT, I THINK, UH, IS A SLIGHTLY UNFAIR WAY TO VIEW THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT OF THE CFA ANALYSIS.
UH, NEXT ONE, IMPROVE ACCESS BETWEEN BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND REDUCE CONFLICTS ON AN 89 A BY CONNECTING, CONSOLIDATING, AND SHARING DRIVEWAYS.
AGAIN, WE'RE PROVIDING THAT CONNECTION FROM SOLDIERS PASS TO 89 A.
UH, WE'RE ALSO, AGAIN, LOOKING AT A MORE ROBUST PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO ELK ROAD, UH, AS PART OF SOME OF THE REVISIONS THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY, THIS ONE FOUND IN COMPLIANCE STREET CONNECTIONS SHOULD BE CREATED SUCH AS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A SPECIFIC CALL OUT IN THE CFA FROM THE SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, FROM SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE TO THE SIGNAL ON 89 AT SOLDIERS PASS ROAD, UH, WALKING AND BIKING IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AGAIN, COMPLIANCE CONTINUOUS STREET SCAPES ALONG 89 A SHOULD PROVIDE SAFER AND MORE APPEALING PLACE TO WALK.
WE'RE PROVIDING THE, THE 10 FOOT DETACHED MULTI-USE PATH.
SAFER CROSSINGS SHOULD BE PROVIDED WITH ENHANCED CROSSWALKS, MEDIANS, AND ROUNDABOUTS.
UH, AGAIN, THIS WAS AN AREA WHERE WE WERE FOUND NON-COMPLIANT BECAUSE WE HADN'T DONE MEDIANS ENHANCED CROSSINGS, ROUNDABOUTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST TWO THINGS.
FIRST OF WHICH IS I BELIEVE THAT SIMPLY BY VIRTUE OF CREATING THE ROADWAY THAT WILL CONNECT SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE TO 89 A AND SOLDIERS PASS ROAD, THAT THAT DOES BECOME AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
BECAUSE NOW THERE IS A CONVENIENT WAY FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY TO GET FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD UP TO THE SIGNAL THAT DID NOT PREVIOUSLY EXIST, WHERE IT WAS PROBABLY FROM A, FROM AN INCENTIVIZATION AND CONVENIENCE STANDPOINT, PROBABLY MUCH MORE CONVENIENT TO JUST WAIT FOR A BREAK IN TRAFFIC AND CROSS STRAIGHT AT SOLDIERS PASS ROAD, OR SORRY, AT SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, RATHER THAN GOING TO THE SIGNAL AT 89 A.
AND SO I WOULD SUBMIT THAT SIMPLY THROUGH THE CREATION OF THIS ROADWAY CONNECTION, WE ARE CREATING A SAFER PATHWAY AND A MORE ENHANCED CROSSWALK TO GET ACROSS 89 A.
AND AGAIN, ADOT DID NOT REQUEST OR REQUIRE MEDIANS OR ROUNDABOUTS AS PART OF THEIR REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, SAFETY IS IN AMENITIES FOR BICYCLISTS, SUCH AS BIKE RACK, BIKE RACKS, AND PAVEMENT MARKINGS SHOULD BE IMPROVED TO ENCOURAGE BICYCLING.
UM, THE 10 FOOT SHARE USE PATH THAT TAKES YOU FROM SOLDIERS' PAST, SORRY, SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE UP TO 89 A IS WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE BICYCLISTS ON IT.
AND AGAIN, THE NOW THE TWO THINGS THAT, UH, I'M JUST BECOMING AWARE OF TODAY, BUT I THINK ARE ALSO ENORMOUS AMENITIES FROM A BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, ARE THE BIKES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO GUESTS TO, TO USE FOR FREE.
UH, BUT ALSO THE ONSITE SECURE BIKE STORAGE AND, AND BIKE REPAIR AREA THAT ALREADY EXISTED IN, IN THE BASEMENT OF THE SITE.
TWO MORE WALKING AND BIKE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE TRANSIT STOPS WITH BUS PULLOUTS, BENCHES AND SHELTERS SHOULD BE PROVIDED.
THE RELOCATED LINK SHELTER IS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ROUTE INFORMATION AT VISIBLE LOCATIONS SUCH AS INTERSECTIONS, TRANSIT STOPS, TRAIL HEIGHTS, AND PUBLIC SPACES.
UH, THIS IS TREATED AS AN AREA OF PARTIAL COMPLIANCE, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED OR SHOWN THESE NODES WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE THESE THIS WAY FINDING, UM, OPTION.
UH, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY EVEN POINTED OUT IN THE ANALYSIS OF THIS ELEMENT THAT THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD OCCUR AT THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
THAT WOULD BE IN A LATER PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT DEVELOPMENT, WHERE YOU WOULD START TO ADD THOSE ELEMENTS TO THE PROJECT.
THAT NOTWITHSTANDING, I THINK NOW KNOWING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR, UH, THAT WE WILL IDENTIFY AREAS ON SITE THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THESE TYPES OF WAYFINDING NODES AND INCLUDE THEM IN THE SITE PLAN.
SO CONNECTED PATHS THAT ALLOW FOR DIRECT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS FOR BICYCLE ACCESS SHOULD BE PROVIDED, UH, WITHIN AND BETWEEN HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
SO AGAIN, THE, THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE SIDEWALK, BUT THEN ALSO THE CONNECTOR THROUGH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND EVALUATING A MORE ROBUST CONNECTION, UH, TO AND ALONG ELK ROAD.
UH, THE REMAINING TWO IN THE MIDDLE HERE WERE ONES WE WERE FOUND IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH, WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO PUBLIC SIDEWALKS AND TRANSIT STOPS EXTENDED ALONG STREETS SUCH AS AIRPORT ROAD, SIDEWALK CIRCLE, AND SOLDIERS PASS ROAD FOR SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN FINALLY, PARTNERSHIPS WITH ADJACENT LANDOWNERS ENCOURAGED TO CREATE A CONNECTED TRAIL SYSTEM THAT ENABLES OFF STREET PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE TRAVEL.
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HATE TO KEEP REPEATING THIS, BUT WE ARE NOW EVALUATING A MORE ROBUST CONNECTION BOTH TO ELK ROAD, BUT THEN ALSO ALONG ELK ROAD AS PART OF, UH, ANY REVISED SITE PLAN.UH, WE ARE, THIS, THIS IS ONE AGAIN WHERE I THINK I TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXCEPTION TO BECAUSE WHAT IT SAYS IN THE CFA AS THE USE OF SOLAR ENERGY IN BUILDING DESIGNS FOR ENERGY HEATING AND LIGHTING IS ENCOURAGED.
WE ARE PROVIDING SOLAR PARKING CANOPIES ON OUR PARKING STRUCTURE THAT WILL POWER A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS ON THAT, ON THAT PART OF THE SITE AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE SITE AS IT RELATES TO, UH, LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION AND LIGHTING.
BUT WE WERE FOUND, IM PARTIAL COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH, UH, THAT WE DIDN'T PUT ANY SOLAR PANELS ON TOP OF BUILDINGS THAT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE SOLAR INFRASTRUCTURE ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT'S, THAT'S SIMPLY NOT WHAT THE CFA SAYS.
IT, IT MAKES A RECOMMENDATION AND ENCOURAGES THE USE OF SOLAR RENEWABLE ENERGY.
WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT DOING MORE OF IT.
BUT FROM A, FROM A ANALYSIS STANDPOINT, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS ONE THAT WE ARE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH.
UH, WASTE REDUCTION MEASURES SHOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO BUILDING CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AND BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
AGAIN, I WENT THROUGH THE, THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN EVERY OXFORD COLLECTION HOTEL THAT WILL BE INCLUDED, WHICH DOES INCLUDE A NUMBER OF, UH, RECYCLING RELATED ELEMENTS.
BUT ALSO, ONE THING AGAIN THAT I JUST LEARNED TODAY THAT WILL ALSO BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS IS THAT THEY'VE ELIMINATED SINGLE USE WATER BOTTLES FROM ALL OF THEIR HOTELS.
THEY DON'T SELL THEM IN THE GIFT SHOPS.
THEY DON'T OFFER THEM COMPLIMENTARY, THEY'RE NOT IN THE RESTAURANTS.
WHAT THEY DO INSTEAD IS THEY HAVE, UH, WATER BOTTLE FILL STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT WITH FILTERED WATER AND IN PLACE OF SELLING SINGLE USE WATER BOTTLES IN THEIR HOTELS.
INSTEAD, THEY'VE PARTNERED WITH A COMPANY CALLED PATH, UH, THAT SELLS, UH, RE REUSABLE WATER BOTTLES, AND THEY SELL THOSE FOR ABOUT THE COST OF A SINGLE USE WATER BOTTLE, UH, IN THEIR GIFT SHOP.
AND THIS IS A COMPANY THEY'VE PARTNERED WITH, PARTNERED WITH AT OTHER HOTELS THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING A SIMILAR THING HERE, UH, TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THAT SINGLE USE WASTE.
UH, AND THEN ANOTHER THING THAT, UH, WE WERE EVALUATING A NUMBER OF OTHER SUGGESTIONS IN A JUNE, 2023 SUSTAINABLE, UH, UH, MEMO FROM THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, UH, THAT WE HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED.
THIS WAS A, THIS WAS AFTER WE SUBMITTED, BUT WE DIDN'T GET COMMENTS LIKE WE WOULD NORMALLY BECAUSE THAT'S ALL JUST INCORPORATED INTO THE STAFF REPORT.
AND, AND FRANKLY, IF, IF WE HAD SEEN A COPY OF THAT JUNE, 2023 MEMO SOONER, WHICH EVALUATES THE THINGS WE ARE DOING, BUT ALSO SUGGESTS A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS, I WOULD PROBABLY PROBABLY BE HERE TODAY TELLING YOU WHICH OF THOSE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE INCORPORATING INTO THE PROJECT.
'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS ON THAT LIST THAT SEEM LIKE THEY CERTAINLY SHOULD BE FEASIBLE.
UH, BUT WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU, I, I SUSPECT AT A LATER DATE, TELLING YOU WHICH OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE PLAN ON INCORPORATING INTO THE PROJECT.
UH, THE REMAINING TWO OF THE ZERO ESCAPE PRINCIPLES AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE ARE TWO THINGS WE WERE FOUND FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH.
I'M ALMOST DONE, I PROMISE, I BELIEVE I FINISHED THE SLIDE FOUR.
HOW MANY SLIDES DO YOU HAVE? I THINK FOUR MORE.
TRUST ME, I'M READY TO BE DONE TALKING TOO.
UM, UH, SO A SENSE OF PLACE, UH, SCENIC VIEWS, NATURAL AREAS AND HILLSIDES SHOULD BE PRESERVED BY CLUSTERING DEVELOPMENTS TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE.
THIS WAS AN ELEMENT WE WERE FOUND, UH, IN PARTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, AGAIN, LARGELY BECAUSE WE, THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS OF OUR HEIGHT CALCULATIONS IN AS IT RELATES TO THE LDC THAT WE NEED TO SHORE UP.
UM, BUT OUR BUILDINGS ARE BROKEN UP AND ORIENTED TO PRESERVE AND MAINTAIN THOSE VIEW SHEDS.
IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SITE PLAN, OUR BUILDINGS ARE AT ANGLES THAT ARE MEANT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON EXISTING VIEW SHEDS, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THE COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTH.
WE HAVE LIMITED ALL BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY TO TWO STORIES, UH, AND WE WILL BE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LDC HIGH REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE DESIGN SHOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.
I BELIEVE WE WERE FOUND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS.
UH, BUT I DID INCLUDE A BULLET POINT AS IT RELATED TO THE COLOR PALETTE AND MATERIALS.
UH, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COOK CEMETERY TO SITS HISTORY SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED BY MAINTAINING PUBLIC ACCESS, IMPROVING THE LOCAL, IMPROVING THE SURROUNDINGS, AND INCREASING AWARENESS.
UH, WHEN I SAW THAT COMMENT, I STARTED GOING BACK THROUGH EMAILS AND COMMUNICATION THAT WE HAD HAD PREVIOUSLY, UH, WITH THE STEWARDS AND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT PRESERVE AND MAINTAIN THAT CEMETERY.
AND WE HAD HAD SOME PRETTY ROBUST DISCUSSIONS AND IN FACT, SOME CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS OF HOW WE MIGHT, UH, IMPROVE THE CEMETERY, IMPROVE ACCESS TO THE CEMETERY.
AND WE JUST NEVER GOT FURTHER THAN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS FAR AS THE COMMITMENTS WE WERE MAKING.
UH, BUT I, I HAVE A STRONG BELIEF THAT THE NEXT TIME WE'RE SPEAKING TO YOU, UH, WE'LL HAVE A MUCH FIRMER COMMITMENT, AND IN FACT, NOT FIRMER, WE WILL HAVE A FIRM COMMITMENT IN PLACE AS TO WHAT EXACTLY THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY, THE REUSE OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS ENCOURAGED TO PRESERVE THE CULTURAL HISTORY THAT CONTRIBUTES TO A SENSE OF PLACE.
THIS HAS TO DO, UH, WITH SOME BUILDINGS THAT WERE ON SITE THAT HAD NOT BEEN MADE PART OF A HISTORIC REGISTER, BUT HAD BEEN ON THE SITE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UH, WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING A HISTORICAL EXHIBIT IN THE LOBBY.
WE HADN'T FLUSHED OUT AGAIN IN THE LOI, WHAT EXACTLY THAT LOOKED LIKE.
THAT WAS MORE OF SOMETHING THAT WE HAD THOUGHT
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CONCEPTUALLY ABOUT DOING, BUT HAD NEVER REALLY FLESHED OUT.BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I SUSPECT WE'LL COME BACK WITH MUCH MORE DETAIL ABOUT.
SENSE OF COMMUNITY, I THINK IS THE LAST ONE GETTING CLOSE, I PROMISE.
UM, SO OPEN AND SHARED COMMUNITY SPACES SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE LINK STOP IN STAFF'S ANALYSIS WAS INCLUDED IN THAT.
THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE, AGAIN, IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
ALTHOUGH THOUGH, ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT BE AS EVIDENT AS A GROUND FLOOR COMMUNITY SPACE, IT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENJOY THAT SPACE AND THE VIEWS THAT IT AFFORDS.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY, I, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT TO MENTION.
UH, WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING WITH STAFF IN FEBRUARY OF 2020, ABOUT THE RECOMPOSITION OF THIS SITE AND STAFF'S PRIORITIES FOR HOW WE SHOULD ALLOCATE THESE SIX AND A THIRD ACRES THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS SITE, UH, WE RECEIVED SOME VERY CLEAR DIRECTION THAT THE, THE PLAZA THAT HAD BEEN IN ALL PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THE SITE, UH, SHOULD BE SUBSUMED, CONSUMED, REPURPOSED, WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE, THAT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING WAS A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN THAT PUBLIC PLAZA.
UH, AND THAT IT WOULD BE A BETTER USE OF THE, OF THE, THE AREA THAT WE HAVE TO DEDICATE THAT AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN A LARGER PUBLIC PLAZA TO MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, UH, COMMUNITY SPACE AMENITIES SUCH AS SHADE, SEEDING, LANDSCAPING, AND PUBLIC ART SHOULD BE PROVIDED.
AGAIN, THE ENHANCED LINK STOP IN AMENITIES.
THE LANDSCAPING WITH 60% NATIVE VEGETATION.
UH, PUBLIC ART IS SOMETHING THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE AREA ON THE SITE WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT QUITE VISIBLY IN THE RENDERINGS.
AND I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK AND, AND SHOW IT TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT'S VERY PROMINENT, THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, THAT'S RIGHT AT THE, THE SORT OF MIDPOINT OF THE CONNECTOR ROAD AND ATTACHED TO THE PARKING STRUCTURE, YOU SEE A VERY LARGE SAIL LIKE OBJECT THAT EXTENDS, UM, SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE PARKING STRUCTURE, UH, AND WILL HAVE HASH MARKS ON THE GROUND.
UH, THAT WILL BE A REALLY UNIQUE AND NEAT FEATURE THAT WILL BE SORT OF MONUMENTATION AS PART OF THE SITE.
UH, THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME TILE, MOSAIC PUBLIC ART ON THE PARKING STRUCTURE, UH, AND SOME OTHER AREAS ON THE SITE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR PUBLIC ART, BUT HAVEN'T REALLY DETERMINED WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE YET.
ALL OF THAT NOTWITHSTANDING WE WILL BE IN COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE, THE LDC AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UH, LARGE MATURE TREES SOUTH OF SOLDIERS, PASSADE AND NA SHOULD BE INCORPORATED IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT TOOK THE SITE VISIT THIS MORNING, UH, WE ARE PRESERVING ALL OF THOSE TREES, THOSE LARGE TREES THAT ARE ON SITE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
TWO MORE SLIDES THEN I THINK I'M DONE.
SO, OUTREACH, UH, WE DID HAVE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, WE SENT NOTICE LETTERS FOR, FOR ALL STAGES OF THE PROJECT, NOT ONLY TO OUR 300 FOOT RADIUS, BUT TO ALL HOMES WITHIN THE SADDLE ROCK HOMES COMMUNITY, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL PLUS OR MINUS A HUNDRED LETTERS.
UH, WE HAD ABOUT 19 PEOPLE ATTEND THE VIRTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AND I, IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE FOR THE ONSITE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
UH, ONLY SIX SIGNED IN, BUT I THINK WE HAD A FEW MORE THAN THAT, THAT ACTUALLY ATTENDED, UH, THIS MORNING.
I SUBMITTED, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON COMPILING IT OVER A SERIES OF MONTHS AS WE'VE STARTED DOING A LOT MORE ONE-ON-ONE OUTREACH.
BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, SINCE I DOUBT YOU'VE HAD THE TIME BETWEEN NOON TODAY AND NOW TO READ THEM, UH, THAT WE, WE HAVE, AND THERE WILL BE MORE, UH, 46 LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, UH, AND A PETITION IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT WITH 80 VERIFIED AND, AND VETTED SIGNATURES WITH CONTACT INFORMATION.
YOU'LL SEE, UH, ON THE PETITION, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE CROSSED OUT.
UH, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DOUBLE COUNT.
SO THE ONES THAT WERE ON THERE THAT ARE CROSSED OUT ARE FOLKS THAT WROTE LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
AND IN SUMMARY, WE'RE FINALLY HERE.
UH, SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, IS, UH, WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE MOST RESPONSIBLE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS SITE, UH, WHICH INCLUDES A 110 ROOM OXFORD COLLECTION BRANDED HOTEL, AND 40 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY.
AMONG THAT 28 UNITS OF, UH, INCOME QUALIFYING WORKFORCE HOUSING, IT'LL BE DEVELOPED AND OPERATED, UH, BY A SECOND GENERATION FAMILY OWNED COMPANY THAT TAKES AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF CARE AND PRIDE AND INVESTMENT, UH, IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY WORK IN.
AND I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO TALK TO ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT THEY WORK IN, AND IF, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT MUCH EFFORT TO, TO TALK TO, UH, MUNICIPAL STAFF IN THE CITIES THAT THEY OPERATE HOTELS IN, I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THEY'RE INCREDIBLE STEWARDS OF THEIR COMMUNITY THAT TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN INVESTMENT, UH, IN THE CITIES AND THAT THEY WORK IN.
THIS IS NOT A FACELESS CORPORATION.
THE FACES ARE ARE HERE IN THIS ROOM.
UH, AND THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN INCREDIBLY HANDS-ON APPROACH, UH, TO THEIR HOTELS.
UH, ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE LIMITED TO TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT.
ALL 28 OF THOSE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS WILL FOLLOW ALL OF THE DIGA GUIDELINES.
IT'S CONSIDERABLY LESS TRAFFIC THAN EVEN THE MOST IDEAL SCENARIO UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.
UH, WE GET THE ROADWAY CONNECTION FROM SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE TO 89 A, UH, ALL OF THE EXTENSIVE SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES, WHICH I SUSPECT WE WILL BE ADDING TO.
AND FINALLY, UM, THROUGH THE SOMEWHAT
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LABORIOUS AND PAINSTAKING ANALYSIS THAT I WENT THROUGH, I BELIEVE WE ARE FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CFA AS IT EXISTED AT THE TIME THAT THIS PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, AND FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME IN WHICH IT WAS BEING REVIEWED.AND WITH THAT, I WOULD HAPPILY BE FINE IF HA GOSH, I CAN'T EVEN TALK.
I'VE BEEN TALKING SO LONG FOR THIS AT THIS POINT, I WOULD HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, I'M JUST GONNA THROW THIS OUT.
WE COULD MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW, UM, AND THEN COME BACK FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, UH, TO CARRIE AND TO THE APPLICANT.
ALTERNATIVELY, UM, WE DO TAKE A RECESS NOW, BUT I PREFER TO, UM, I I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
IT'S AFTER SIX O'CLOCK, WE STARTED AT FOUR 30 AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO LEAVE BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN TOO LONG, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PRESENTATIONS, UM, ALTER.
UM, AND I COULD AMEND THAT TO SAY WE MIGHT HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS NOW WE WANNA ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT AND THEN WE COULD MOVE TO THE PUBLIC, UM, COMMENT PERIOD.
I'D PREFER TO HEAR THE PUBLIC SPEAK.
SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE, UM, PUBLIC FORM AT THIS OR PUB YEAH.
PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC FORUM AT THIS TIME.
AND I WILL CALL YOUR NAME AND THEN I WILL CALL THE PERSON THAT WOULD FOLLOW YOU.
UH, IF YOU'LL COME TO THE PODIUM THERE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
UH, AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ONLY.
AND THERE'S, WE HAVE AT LEAST TO ME, A NEW TIMER THERE,
WE'LL SEE WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
SO THE FIRST PERSON WILL BE MARK 10 BROOKE, FOLLOWED BY UH, KEN DILLER.
I'M MARK BROOK, AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA.
I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION TO THE CHANGE IN ZONING FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THIS DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES A CHANGE IN ZONING TO PROCEED WITH 110 ROOMS OF ADDITIONAL LODGING THAT SEDONA REALLY DOES NOT NEED.
THE CITY COUNCIL CHANGED THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA TO REMOVE LODGING FOR THE ALLOWABLE DEVELOPMENT TYPES IN THE CFA.
WHILE THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL DOES INCLUDE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE DEDICATED TO LODGING, UH, 3,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT, 1800 SQUARE FOOT LOUNGE, 3,200 SQUARE FEET IN MEETING ROOMS, PARKING AREA.
AND WHILE IT DOES HAVE 24 OF THE 28 AFFORDABLE UNITS, AS THEY ARE STUDIO UNITS ALMOST THE SIZE OF A HOTEL ROOM, TOGETHER, ALL THESE COMPONENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES POSITIONS FOR CLEANERS, WAIT, STAFF COOKS, VALET AND SIMILAR LOW WAGE STAFF THAT SEDONA DOES NOT HAVE PROVIDING HOUSING FOR A SMALL NUMBER OF THESE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE FACT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF 100.
I THINK THE 30 TO 35 YOU HEARD IS A VERY LOW NUMBER.
TYPICALLY IT'S ONE STAFF MEMBER FOR EVERY TWO ROOMS AND A LOT OF THESE OTHER USES, RESTAURANT AND SO FORTH REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF.
SO THEY MAY BE PART-TIME, BUT THERE'S STILL ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY AS MULTI, UH, FAMILY EXCLUSIVE USE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT, UH, OF MUCH LOWER THAN WHAT THEY, THEY, UH, INDICATED.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REJECT THIS REQUESTED CHANGE IN ZONING.
HOPEFULLY THIS PROPERTY CAN DEVELOP AS MULTIFAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NOT PLACE ADDITIONAL DEMAND ON THE VERY LIMITED, UH, AVAILABLE WORKFORCE THAT WE HAVE.
SO JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ELK'S LODGE OFF OF AIRPORT ROAD.
SO, UM, WE WALK THROUGH SADDLE ROCK, UH, DAILY WITH OUR LITTLE PUP.
AND I GUESS I REALLY JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION CREW HERE.
AND FIRST IS, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE HOTEL, THE CURRENT OR 2022 YEAR END HOTEL OCCUPANCY STATS ARE? UH, WE DON'T RESPOND TO QUESTIONS.
BUT YOU MAY MAKE ALL THE COMMENTS YOU WISH.
WELL, SO, UM, WHAT I UNDERSTAND IN LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THE HOTELS ARE NOT FILLED UP.
AND AS WE'VE CONTINUED TO ADD MANY HOTEL ROOMS, WHETHER IT'S AMTE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD OR ALL OF THE NEW BUILDING THAT'S IN WEST SEDONA WITH THE TWO MARRIOTT PROPERTIES, WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF HOTEL PROPERTIES, UM, AND HOTEL ROOMS AVAILABLE.
AND IN ADDITION, WE NOW, ACCORDING TO MY NEIGHBOR WHO IS IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT BUSINESS, HAVE OVER 4,000 AIRBNB ROOMS, WHICH, UM, BY THE WAY, WE
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LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ONE.AND I CAN TELL JUST VISUALLY HOW MUCH LESS TRAFFIC THEY'RE GETTING.
SO I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION WOULD BE, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES, IS, IS THIS WORTH IT? IS THERE VALUE IN ADDING MORE HOTEL ROOMS IN A SPACE WHERE WE, UM, ARE ALREADY AT SATURATION POINT? WE'VE SEEN THE ARTICLE IN LA TIMES FROM THE ARIZONA REPORTER.
WE KNOW THE REPUTATION IS AT STAKE HERE IN SEDONA AND WE KNOW HOW IT'S TAKEN A BEATING BECAUSE OF OUR TRAFFIC ISSUES AND OVERCROWDING ISSUES.
AND AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES OFF OF AIRPORT ROAD AND SEES THAT TRAFFIC BACKING UP FURTHER AND FURTHER UP THE HILL AND SEEING IT CONGREGATE GOING DOWN COOKS HILL, ADDING, I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT OF ADDING, UM, THE TRAFFIC EGRESS FROM THE HOTEL AND THE MULTI-USE AREA, UH, ON SOLDIERS PASS AS A BENEFIT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT SIGNAL RARELY GETS TRIPPED AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S SO LITTLE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF 89 THAT ACTUALLY HAVING MORE TRAFFIC EXIT THAT PLACE IS GONNA CAUSE THAT SIGNAL TO TRIP MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY AND BACK UP TRAFFIC EVEN MORE.
UM, THE OTHER, SINCE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ASK THE QUESTION, IS FOR ALL OF US TO CONSIDER WHAT HAVE Y'ALL WHO ARE LIVING IN WEST SEDONA, WHAT HAVE YOU NOTICED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC TRENDS? HAVE YOU NOTICED IT'S GOTTEN BETTER OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS? HAVE YOU NOTICED IT'S GOTTEN MORE CONGESTED AND I'VE ONLY LIVED HERE TWO YEARS, EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR MANY YEARS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU JUST FROM MY UNSCIENTIFIC VIEW OF LIVING IN IT AND TRAVELING IN DAILY LIVING HERE FULL-TIME, IT'S GOTTEN SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE.
WHAT'S HAPPENING ON 89 A IS, UM, IS, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S RIVALING WHAT'S HAPPENING ON 1 79 BECAUSE I KNOW THEY GET STUCK, UH, AND MAYBE PERHAPS WORSE THAN WE, BUT IT IS NEXT LEVEL AND IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'D EXPERIENCED BEFORE.
UM, THE LAST, SINCE IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE CONCERNED FOR MY NEIGHBORS IN SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND SADDLE ROCK LANE AND VALLEY VIEW, WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE TWO STORY BUILDING WILL BE ON THEIR VIEW.
THEY'RE IN A FLAT PART OF THE SECTION, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT.
AND IF THEY'RE BUILDING TWO STORY, IT'S GONNA DIRECTLY IMPACT THE HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE AND THE VIEWS THAT THEY'VE COVETED AND PAID FOR.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE CLOCK RUNNING DOWN ON THAT.
UM, NEXT ROGER EASTMAN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DO, UH, DONALD SE GO EG.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, I STARTED MY PLANNING CAREER IN THE US WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA IN 1991 WHEN I JOINED THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SOON AFTER INCORPORATION.
IN THOSE YEARS, I SPENT HOURS IN THIS ROOM AND I REVIEWED LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF PROJECTS, BOTH LARGE AND SMALL, AND WORKING WITH STAFF AND OTHER COMMUNITY RESIDENTS.
HELPED TO WRITE MANY OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVISIONS THAT YOU'RE STILL APPLYING TODAY.
AFTER A 10 YEAR CAREER WITH CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, I NOW WORK AS A PLANNING CONSULTANT AND I SPECIALIZE MOSTLY IN WRITING ZONING CODES BASED ON THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION THAT I'VE HEARD.
I WANNA MAKE TWO IMPORTANT POINTS AND CONCLUDE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
AND YOU CAN SEE HOW I'VE SCRATCHED UP MY NOTES AS I WAS SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
FIRST, THE CITY'S DECISION TO CHANGE THE RULES OF THE COMMUNITY FACILITY, UH, COMMUNITY FACILITY AREA.
WHILE AN APPLICANT HAS A VALID AND APPLICATION WITH THE CFA AND THAT IS ACCEPTED BY THE CITY AND UNDER REVIEW JUST SEEMS INHERENTLY UNFAIR TO ME, SHIRLEY IS A LONG RANGE PLANNING TOOL.
THE CFA SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ANY DEVELOPER WITH AN ACTIVE APPLICATION UNDER REVIEW BY THE CITY AND WITHIN THE CFA SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.
THIS IS CERTAINLY HOW THE RULES FOR PROJECTS IMPACTED BY NEW ZONING COLD RULES WOULD BE WRITTEN.
I'VE WRITTEN THOSE KIND OF RULES.
I DON'T HAVE A STAKE IN THIS PROJECT PERSONALLY, EXCEPT THAT I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WITH THAT SAID, HERE'S A COROLLARY, THE UPDATED CFA STATES.
AND I QUOTE THAT NO ADDITIONAL LODGING IS RECOMMENDED.
THIS IS HARDLY A CATEGORICAL STATEMENT SAYING THAT LODGING IS NOT ALLOWED.
SO INDEED, THE STAFF REPORT NOTES THAT IF SUFFICIENT COMMUNITY BENEFITS ARE PROVIDED, LODGING ON THE SITE IS APPROPRIATE.
SURELY THE SADDLE ROCK CONNECTION 28 DEED RESTRICTED AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, 12 MARKET RATE HOUSING UNITS, ADDITIONAL LODGING TAX REVENUES, MORE HOTEL UNITS FOR VISITORS TO STAY IN RATHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, TRANSIT
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STOP IMPROVEMENTS, THE PROJECT'S, MANY SUSTAINABILITY COMPONENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT MR. TATE SUGGESTED TO YOU WOULD SUPPORT APPROVAL OF LODGING ON THIS SITE.THIS PROJECT IS FAR TOO IMPORTANT TO BE DENIED TONIGHT, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
I RECOMMEND THEREFORE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING.
USE THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS THE USE AND WHAT ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY BENEFITS IF NEEDED, NEED TO BE ADDED.
THEN APPLICANT, MR. BANEY STAFF CAN FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN GET TO YES ON THIS PROJECT.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF WILD TIME RESTAURANT GROUP HERE IN SEDONA, ARIZONA.
SO THOSE RESTAURANTS ARE JAYBIRD STAGECOACH, SHOREBIRD MOLE, AND ALSO SPOKEN WITH LOS ADOS.
UM, ALSO SPEAKING FOR OUR FOUNDER AND CHAIRMAN, HEINRICH WICK, WHO DID SUBMIT A LETTER.
UH, WE ARE BOTH FOR THIS PROJECT, ESPECIALLY ON THE FACT OF THE SCARCITY AND THE VERY FEW, UM, HOUSING FOR EMPLOYEES, TEAM MEMBERS, ANYBODY COME TRAVELING TO SEDONA, MAJORITY OF WHICH COMING FROM CAMP VERDE, COTTONWOOD CLARKDALE, SURROUNDING CITIES AND WANTING TO BE MORE INVOLVED IN THIS COMMUNITY BY BEING, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF LIVING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, WITH THIS PROJECT, IT OPENS UP THAT ABILITY FOR SOME OF THOSE TEAM MEMBERS TO HAVE HOUSING AND LIVE AND BE MORE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY THAN JUST DRIVING THE 89 TO MAKE THEIR TRIP UP HERE.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, I HAVE THE BANEY FAMILY, UM, BUT I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, SO CAN WE PASS ON THAT? THANK YOU.
AND THEN, UH, TINA OSA TO BE FOLLOWED BY AUSTIN WITTENBERG.
HELLO, MY NAME'S ABBY MICHAEL, 2 5 2 5 EAST BILTMORE CIRCLE, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE, EXCUSE ME.
WHAT'S THAT? IS THAT ALSO TINA? UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMISSION, I'D LIKE TO READ A LETTER IN SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF TINA.
SHE'S IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY, BUT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PUBLIC SPEAKING, SO OF COURSE SHE ASKED THAT I READ HER STATEMENT ON RECORD.
I'M JUST GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT.
SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THAT, BUT WOULD IT BE OKAY FOR ME TO ACCOMMODATE HER REQUEST? YES.
HER STATEMENT READS AS FOLLOWS.
I'M A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE BANEY PROJECT AS PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER OF A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, THE RED ROSE INSPIRATION FOR ANIMALS BASED IN SEDONA THAT HAS BEEN DOING BUSINESS IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR WELL OVER A DECADE.
WE PROMOTE EVENTS AT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 1405 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 89 A, AND HAVE BEEN DOING SO EXCLUSIVELY SINCE 2009.
THE BANEY PROJECT IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND MY ORGANIZATION AS I FEEL IT WILL BRING MORE CUSTOMERS AND VISITORS TO OUR EVENTS.
AS A PROMOTER OF ART SHOWS, I HAVE MANY LOCAL ARTISTS THAT DEPEND ON ME AND MY ORGANIZATION TO EARN A LIVING.
AT LEAST 80% OF MY VENDORS LIVE HERE IN VERDE VALLEY.
I ALSO FEEL AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WITH SO MANY HOMEOWNERS TURNING THEIR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES INTO AIRBNBS, IT HAS CREATED A PROBLEM FOR THOSE LOOKING TO RENT LONG-TERM.
IN SEDONA, WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF LONG-TERM RENTALS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE RESPONSIBLE HOTELS BECAUSE THAT MEANS LESS AIRBNB UNITS.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS BECOME SUCH A PROBLEM IN SEDONA.
I HAVE KNOWN MANY BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES HOMELESS.
IS THIS THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY WE'RE HOPING TO CREATE? I HOPE NOT.
I'VE PERSONALLY BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE BANEY FAMILY SINCE THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BACK IN 2006.
THIS WAS ALWAYS A PROJECT ON THE HORIZON FOR THEM, AND I FEEL THAT THEY DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS PROPERTY OWNERS TO BUILD OUT THEIR DREAM.
THE BAYNEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN LODGING AN ORGAN, AND I WANNA EXPRESS THAT THIS IS A FAMILY OWNED ORGANIZATION, NOT A CORPORATE VENTURE.
PLEASE THINK OF ALL THE WAYS THE BANEY ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND ALL THAT WE REQUIRE AND ASK OF US, AND ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THIS PROJECT TO ENHANCE THIS CORRIDOR OF WEST SEDONA.
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ALLEZA.ABBY, WOULD YOU SPELL YOUR NAME, PLEASE? YES.
HI, UH, MY NAME IS AUSTIN DENBERG.
UH, I ACTUALLY LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, BUT I'M A BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN SEDONA AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT.
UM, I'M JUST A COUPLE DOORS DOWN WITH MY BUSINESS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LACK WHERE WE ARE IS QUITE HONESTLY FOOT TRAFFIC.
PEOPLE DON'T WALK WEST SEDONA.
AND IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T STAY IN WEST SEDONA UNLESS THEY'RE IN AN AIRBNB.
AND IF YOU'RE STAYING IN AN AIRBNB, YOU AREN'T ABOUT TO WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA LIKE DRIVE TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO 'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND.
UM, I WAS ESPECIALLY STRUCK BY THE IDEA OF PARK ONCE AS A CONCEPT FOR THIS SPACE.
ALSO, NO DOUBT, 89 A IS A MESS AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, BUT I DON'T SEE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT SPACE IN ANY WAY.
MAKING IT WORSE, ESPECIALLY ADDING A RIGHT TURN LANE.
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY AND KEEP ON MOVING.
A WAY TO GET OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THE SPACE.
BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
EVERYTHING I SAW IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION LOOKED LIKE THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING THE SPACE A REALLY LIVABLE, UH, ENJOYABLE SPACE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, JUST THROWING UP A HOTEL AND MAKING A EXPLETIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
UM,
UM, AND MARRIOTT CAME IN AND THREW IN TWO MASSIVE HOTELS WHEN WE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING PRIVATELY OWNED BY A SMALL FAMILY IN A REALLY USEFUL PLACE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I KNOW WE WOULD BENEFIT BY GETTING SOME FOOT TRAFFIC AS A BUSINESS.
I KNOW THE OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND ME WOULD PROBABLY BENEFIT FROM HAVING SOME OF THAT FOOT TRAFFIC AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, I DON'T KNOW, SOME ADVANCEMENTS ON THAT, THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE.
THAT ALL SOUNDS LIKE GOOD THINGS.
I DON'T PERSONALLY SEE ANY NEGATIVES HERE.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING.
UM, IF WE LEAVE IT COMMERCIAL, IF THEY BACK OUT OF THIS SPACE, IF THEY SELL IT, WHAT ARE WE GONNA GET? YOU KNOW, LIKE IF, IF IT DOES TURN INTO A COMMERCIAL SPACE, HE MENTIONED HIMSELF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A PLAZA, IT COULD BE FAST FOOD, IT COULD BE A CRUMMY RESTAURANT.
THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WHAT SEDONA WANTS.
SEDONA WANTS SOMETHING BOUTIQUE.
SOME WANTS SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL.
SEDONA WANT SOMETHING THAT'S A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SPACE IS.
UM, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, NAME ANOTHER CORPORATION COMING IN HERE, THROWING DOWN WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.
'CAUSE THEY CAN BOWLING THEIR WAY THROUGH ALL THEIR PERMITS AND THEN JUST TAKING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
THAT, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE CARDS.
SO WE WILL CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I THINK WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.
UM, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 15 MINUTES.
WE'LL TAKE A BREAK FOR 12 MINUTES.
WE LOST A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE.
AND, UH, WE'LL BRING THE DISCUSSION, UH, TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AND ANY, UM, ANY ISSUES THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY INDIVIDUALS THAT PROVIDED PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, I HAVE SOME I WHERE THAT WAS A LONGER THAN NORMAL PRESENTATION.
I REALLY APPRECIATED THE THOROUGHNESS OF IT, ESPECIALLY, UH, KNOWING THAT YOU'RE REACTING TO STAFF, STAFF COMMENT WITHIN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAD TO EVALUATE IT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD, THE SITE VISIT THIS MORNING, AND THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL.
I HAVE SOME ACTUAL VERY FUNCTIONAL QUESTIONS.
UH, SO THE CONNECTOR, THIS IS KIND OF A COMBO QUESTION FOR BOTH CARRIE AND THE APPLICANT.
THE CONNECTOR ROAD IS GOING TO BE AN EASEMENT TO THE CITY.
CORRECT? IS IT A PRIVATE ROAD? IS IT A I'LL GET IT A CITY ROAD? IT WOULD.
IS IT A, IT WOULD BE, IT'S PROPOSED AS A EASEMENT, A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO NOT A CITY ROAD PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, IS THIS PRIVATE ROAD GOING TO BE BUILT TO CITY ROAD SPECS WHEN IT COMES
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TO WIDTH, CONCRETE COLOR, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COME WITH CITY ROAD SPECS? UM, I WOULD ASSUME SO.WE HADN'T GOTTEN TO THAT DOUBLE LEVEL.
IT JUST LOOKS A LITTLE NARROW.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GOING TO MEET THOSE CITY ROAD SPECIFICATIONS.
DO YOU KNOW? SO IT'S PRETTY NIP IT'S A LITTLE DEEP.
SO IN GENERAL, I BELIEVE THE WIDTH IS SUFFICIENT TO MEET OUR CITY STANDARDS.
THE ISSUE WITH A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS IS THAT THE CITY STANDARD FOR A RIGHT OF WAY IS ABOUT 50 FEET.
BUT THE WIDTH OF THE PAVEMENT WOULD BE INTENDED TO MEET THE SPECS AND THE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE THE RED AND THE, IT'S JUST YEAH.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THE CONNECTOR DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THE EXIT TO, UM, NOT OLD SEDONA, UH, ROADHOUSE.
I HAVE LIVED HERE A VERY LONG TIME, AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY BUILDING I REFER TO AS THE OLD PART OF IT.
SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PLAN HERE, THIS IS ACTUALLY JUNE BUG CIRCLE.
I BELIEVE THEY LOOKED AT LINING IT UP AT ONE POINT, BUT THEY CHOSE TO PUT IT AS CLOSE TO THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE AS THEY COULD.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT COULD TALK MORE TO THAT DECISION.
MY, THE REASON I BRING IT UP BEFORE YOU TALK TO IT IS BECAUSE I CAN SEE CONFUSION GETTING TO THE PORK CHOP AND ALIGNING THOSE TWO COULD POTENTIALLY LEAVE SPACE FOR NOT ONLY SIGNAGE, BUT A FOUR-WAY STOP OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS INTENTIONAL, IF THAT WAS OVERLOOKED.
UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT, IT OPENS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CONFLICT ON THAT ROAD THAT MAY BE UNNECESSARY SINCE WE'RE IN THIS STAGE TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO FRANKLY, UM, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, IT'S JUST NEVER A QUESTION THAT'S REALLY COME UP SURE.
AND, AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ALIGNING ROADWAYS AND YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT TRAFFIC CONFLICTS, YOU'RE TYPICALLY DOING IT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT INTERSECTIONS WHERE ACROSS TRAFFIC IS LIKELY.
AND I, I THINK JUST BASED ON JUNEBUG CIRCLE AND WHERE IT IS AND THE RELATIVELY LIMITED NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE ON IT, AND THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY GO ANYWHERE, THE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT ANYBODY WOULD BE TRYING TO TRAVERSE THAT ROAD TO JUNE BOOK CIRCLE IS, I WAS THINKING THE OTHER WAY OR OR EITHER WAY IS, IS IS RELATIVELY LIMITED, BUT I, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE GEOMETRY OF IT AND SEE IF A LINING'S POSSIBLE.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE EXIT TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, WHICH HAS A LOT DIFFERENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
SO, WHICH WOULD IMPACT YOUR RIGHT THOUGHT PROCESS? YES.
UM, SO JUST A MINUTE ON, SO HERE.
THAT BASICALLY THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
UM, SORRY, NOW I HAVE TO, OH, UH, THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IT'S NOT STRAIGHT, WHICH IS FINE.
AND, AND I WAS TOLD THAT IT'S ACTUALLY PARTIALLY FROM THE CFA DIAGRAMS. UM, BUT WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN I, WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THAT SIDEWALK IS THE NEXT CROSSWALK ON 89 A IS PAST THUNDER MOUNTAIN BIKES, WHICH IS MOUNTAIN SHADOWS.
AND THAT IS A LONG WALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD AND YOU'RE POTENTIALLY ADDING A HUNDRED YARDS PLUS TO A WALKER WHO MAYBE, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE RIDING THE BUS OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN WHEN IT COMES TO MOBILITY OF PEDESTRIANS.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU JUST COPIED IT FROM THE CFA, BUT SOMETHING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS ACCESSIBILITY FOR THOSE PEDESTRIANS.
DOES IT NEED TO BE WAVY TO, AND AGAIN, YOU'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE, SO THESE ARE JUST, UM, THE COMMENTS I HAD COME UP FOR ME IS MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOP, REGARDLESS OF THEIR WALKING ABILITY, DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY TRAVERSE EXTRA UNNECESSARILY.
UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT, UH, EASEMENT FOR A SEWER VENT DUE TO SEWER OFFGASSING, UM, THAT SAID IT WASN'T ADDRESSED AND YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS IT IN YOUR POINTS.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS OPEN TO THAT EASEMENT FOR A SEWER VENT TO MITIGATE THE SEWER GAS? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SMELLED IT WHEN WE WERE WALKING BACK.
SO IF YOU WALK ALONG 89 A THERE'S A MANHOLE AND YOU CAN SMELL SEWER GAS AND APPARENTLY IT'S A, A REPORTED THING FOR THE CITY.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE STAFF COMMENTS WAS ASKING
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THE ENG ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, YOU HANCO, UH,THEY DID ONE IN WEST AT SOME POINT AND IT WORKED.
SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER IT.
WAS IT ON THE STAFF REPORT? IT JUST SAYS, WAS IT RESPONDED TO? I'LL HAVE TO ASK OUR ENGINEER.
HE'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE ART'S RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO ART AND I, AND THE, THE CLIENTS CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT JUST GOT OVERLOOKED, IF THERE WAS A GOOD REASON FOR IT, BUT, WE'LL, I CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
UM, UH, I'M, I CON CONNECTIVITY FOR ME WASN'T OVEREMPHASIZED IN THIS STAFF REPORT.
I THINK THAT A HUGE CHALLENGE WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS THAT IT WAS NOT PLANNED WITH WALKING CONNECTIVITY IN MIND.
THERE'S PLENTY OF SUBDIVISIONS AND PLACES WHERE YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF.
SO THAT SIDEWALK ON ELK ROAD I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA CONSIDER IT, BUT I, I, TO ME IT'S A NECESSITY.
UM, MORE THAN THREE FEET BECAUSE THAT'S A HARD TRAVERSE FOR ANYONE.
THREE FEET IS PRETTY NARROW, ESPECIALLY WITH A NARROW ROAD IN CARS.
UH, I TOOK NOTES ALL OVER MY SHEET.
UM, I HAVE A PROCESS QUESTION AS WELL, AND THEN I'M ALMOST DONE.
UH, AND I THINK I SHOULD KNOW THIS AFTER THREE YEARS, BUT I DON'T, UH, REGARDLESS OF OUR DECISION TODAY, THE REZONE WILL GO TO COUNCIL.
LET'S SAY WE SAY YES TO DEVELOPMENT, WE SAY YES TO REZONE COUNCIL SAYS YES TO REZONE.
HYPOTHETICALLY, DO WE SEE THIS PROJECT AGAIN? UM, IF YOU, YOU WOULD NOT, UNLESS THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
AGAIN, YOU WOULD NEED TO BE MAKING THE FINDINGS THAT THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF, SO THIS ISN'T A QUESTION, THIS IS A COMMENT.
UM, WHAT I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH IS THERE ARE SO MANY UNDISCUSSED UNKNOWNS WITH THIS PROJECT.
LIKE I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION WAS EXCELLENT.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME KNOWING THAT THERE IS SO MUCH THAT YOU HAVE TO GET BACK WITH PEOPLE ON, WHICH IS FINE.
THAT ISN'T READY FOR US TODAY.
I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED WHY THERE'S SO MUCH UNKNOWN AT THIS MEETING.
I FEEL LIKE WE'VE NEVER HAD A MEETING WHERE I'M SITTING HERE BEING LIKE, WHY DON'T WE KNOW THESE THINGS? MM-HMM.
UM, SO I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S AN EASY WAY OF EVALUATING THE PROJECT.
'CAUSE THERE IS JUST LIKE 50%, NAH, IT'S NOT REAL.
UM, THERE'S SO MUCH TO THIS PROJECT THAT I THINK HAS RATE THINGS GOING, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DON'T KNOW.
THIS GOES BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL SCHEDULE WHERE THIS, THESE ARE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
AND, UM, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RESPONDED TO.
SO, SO THAT'S WHY THIS GOT SCHEDULED IS, IS YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THE RESPONDING.
IT'S THE SAME PROCESS AS ANY OF OUR OTHER MEETINGS.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M PERSONALLY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW IS I CAN SEE SOME, SOME REAL COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT.
BUT JUST THERE'S SO MUCH I WANT TO KNOW AND THAT I CAN'T KNOW FOR SURE IF I MAY MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
AND IT WAS SUGGESTED BY ROGER EASTMAN IN, IN HIS COMMENTS THAT HE HAD, HE HAD URGED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO ALLOW US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, A LATER DATE TO ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHORE UP THESE ISSUES.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE, WE'VE NOT ONLY DEMONSTRATED A WILLINGNESS TO DO, BUT THAT WE'RE EAGER TO DO BECAUSE AS, AS YOU MENTIONED, AND I, I REALLY STRONGLY BELIEVE THIS OF, OF THE THINGS THAT ARE UNKNOWN, UH, I I BELIEVE 99% OF THEM ARE FAIRLY GRANULAR IN DETAIL TO SUCH A DEGREE THAT ONCE WE BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE, IN MY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE IN THE OVERALL PROJECT THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU.
WHAT YOU SEE IN THE RENDERINGS, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, WILL THERE BE SOME CHANGES AND ADJUSTMENTS IN ORDER TO BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CFA? YES.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST OUR CALCULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE HEIGHT IN A MAN IN A MANNER THAT'S SATISFACTORY TO STAFF.
THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE LDC.
AND I THINK ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT WITH, HONESTLY MUCH TO MY DISMAY, UH, THAT THERE WERE MORE SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT THAN IN OPPOSITION, AND THAT THERE ARE MORE LETTERS OF SUPPORT SIGNIFICANTLY
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THAN IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT THAT THERE IS NOW, I FEEL A, A, A MOMENTUM AND AN IMPERATIVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET TO.'CAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT'S OUT THERE.
AND I THINK THAT WE ARE AT THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE TONIGHT AND THE LETTERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT STAFF HAS, HAS, UM, IDENTIFIED SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE A FINDING THAT THIS PROJECT COMPLIES AND CAN MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS A CONTINUANCE WOULD ALLOW YOU TO PROVIDE THE DETAIL THAT POTENTIALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
IT WOULD ALLOW US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH KERRY TO SIT DOWN WITH STEVE MURTI TO SIT DOWN WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND THE BASICALLY GET EVERYBODY BACK AROUND THE TABLE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE ISSUES AND IDENTIFY MANNERS THAT WE CAN SOLVE THEM IN A WAY THAT IS ACCESS OR ACCEPTABLE, NOT ACCESSIBLE, ACCEPTABLE TO STAFF SO THAT WE CAN, 'CAUSE LEMME BACK UP A SECOND.
AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING AT THE BEGINNING ABOUT HERE.
ARE THERE SORT OF TWO BIG QUESTIONS? ONE BIG QUESTION IS A MORE BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE.
DOES THIS COMPLY WITH THE LDC? AND THAT'S ONE THAT WE FEEL CONFIDENT WE CAN ANSWER IN, IN, IN THE AFFIRMATIVE ONCE WE'RE DONE ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES.
BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON AND, AND REALLY WAS THE THRUST OF MY PRESENTATION, I THINK THAT THE, THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT THIS, THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS GONNA WRESTLE WITH AND ULTIMATELY HAVE TO DECIDE UPON, IS THE ZONE CHANGE, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PROJECT? IS THIS SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY PLAN? IS THIS ULTIMATELY A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT OUTWEIGHS WHATEVER NEGATIVE IMPACTS EITHER REAL OR PERCEIVED ARE GENERATED BY LODGING DEVELOPMENT? AND I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON AND WE WANT TO TAKE THE, THE NON, THE NON-COMPLIANCE, THE LDC ISSUES OFF THE TABLE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, BUT ARE WITH, AT LEAST WITH OUR CURRENT GROUP, WE DO ACTUALLY GET INTO THE MINUTIA AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH EVERYONE.
UM, THIS IS NOT OUR LATEST MEETING, NOT EVEN CLOSE, WHICH I'M GLAD ABOUT
WELL, AND, AND IF, IF I MAY I, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT THAT'S, UM, SORRY, I YEAH, I, I THINK I'VE MADE MY COMMENTS.
AND I THINK EXTENDED, UM, SUPPORTING COMMENTS OF YOUR PROJECT, UM, WITHOUT CLARIFICATION, REALLY AREN'T NECESSARY AT THIS POINT.
WELL, CAN I ASK A PIGGYBACK QUESTION? A QUICK QUESTION? YES.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A SENSE OF FRUSTRATION RIGHT FROM THE CITY THAT'S IS APPARENT TO EVERYBODY.
AND I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, IS GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN ADDRESSED? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WHY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PERSONALLY, UM, IT'S AN INFILL MOVE THAT MIC OVER.
PERSONALLY FOR ME, I MEAN, IT'S AN INFILL PROJECT, UM, MAN IN A LODGING ZONE.
THIS WOULD BE A NO-BRAINER FOR ME.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE PUT A LOT OF ATTENTION TO DETAIL.
YOU GUYS HAVE PROACTIVELY DONE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER THAT COMES BEFORE US, LOTS OF TIMES WE HAVE TO ASK FOR.
UM, I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S FAMILY OWNED.
I MEAN, IN MY EXPERIENCE AND IN MY OPINION, YOU WERE THE KIND OF DEVELOPERS THAT WE REALLY WANNA WORK WITH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME I FEEL LIKE I'M WITH CALI, WE ARE MISSING PIECES OF THE PUZZLE.
AND MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS, WELL, IF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2016 AND THERE IS A SENSE OF FRUSTRATION THAT I CAN FEEL THAT'S PALPABLE FROM THE CITY, WHY HAVEN'T THINGS BEEN RESPONDED TO? WHY HAS IT TAKEN SO LONG? WHY HAVEN'T MEETING LDC THINGS BEEN A PRIORITY? WHY ISN'T THAT ALREADY BY THE TIME YOU GUYS GET HERE TAKEN CARE OF, SO THAT WE CAN REALLY FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AS OPPOSED TO THESE LITTLE ISSUES THAT SEEM MORE LIKE IRRITANTS AT THIS POINT? SURE.
AND MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I THINK WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO MUCH OF THE SORT OF INTERNAL ELEMENTS OF THIS FROM A, FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE SIMPLY WEREN'T DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB OF PICKING OUR BATTLES AND TRYING TO FIGHT ALL THE BATTLES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AREAS WHERE WE MAY HAVE DISAGREED WITH STAFF ABOUT HOW THE LDC WAS BEING APPLIED WAY THINGS WERE BEING CALCULATED.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE REALIZED CERTAINLY WHEN THE STAFF REPORT CAME OUT, WHICH IF I'M BEING HONEST, WAS A BIT OF A WAKE UP CALL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, THAT WE NEED, WE, WE NEED TO BE FAR MORE THOUGHTFUL AND FAR MORE PRECISE IN, AGAIN, PICKING OUR BATTLES.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A BIG ENOUGH HURDLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE OUR CASE ON SORT OF THE LARGER LAND USE ISSUES THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT BATTLES ON SOME OF THESE SMALLER ISSUES.
AND I THINK WE'VE COME TO THE REALIZATION, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S TAKEN SOME
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TIME, BUT WE'VE OBVIOUSLY GOTTEN THERE THAT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT, WE KIND OF NEED TO TAKE OUR MEDICINE ON THE LDC PIECE OF THIS SO WE CAN FOCUS ON THE OTHER THINGS.I MEAN, I, I THINK SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY THOUGHT PROVOKING FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I, I DO FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WERE SOME STRONG OPINIONS AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PROBABLY IN SOME WAYS ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MIND COMING INTO THIS, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
SO I APPRECIATED YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE IS THIS IS AN INFILL PROJECT, SO SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.
AND REALLY TAKING A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING ANALYSIS, I'M A BIG FAN OF MIXED USE, LIVE, WORK, PLAY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD HAVE MY DRUTHERS, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS OPPOSED TO LODGING.
BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, OUR CITY HAS SEVERE LODGING FATIGUE,
UM, AND WE'RE JUST, WE'RE SATURATED.
UM, BUT I THINK IF WE REALLY SIT DOWN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND, YOU KNOW, THE PARK WANTS, IF WE WERE TO DO MIXED USE IN ITS COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL AND RESTAURANT, IT'S GONNA HAVE A MORE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT WITH THE TRAFFIC, I BELIEVE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE DESIGNED AND BUILT AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL AND OR MIXED USE OR, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY.
AND SO I THINK THE REALITY OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS MORE OF A FEASIBLE SITUATION THAN I THINK PEOPLE APPRECIATE.
AND SO I TEND TO ALIGN WITH CLIE ON THIS ABOUT LIKE, I WISH I HAD MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE I WOULD REALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND WORK TOGETHER AND BRIDGE THE GAP FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M RELATIVELY NEW TO THE COMMISSION AND SO THEREFORE I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY OR UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATIONS OR UNDERSTAND WHY, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT IT HAS.
BUT YEAH, I WISH THAT WE COULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE FOR A CONTINUATION, CONTINUATION, UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE BUILT OUT.
SO WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE? UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
SO IF WE, I WANTED TO, UM, LET ME JUST INTERJECT SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY.
IF ANYBODY ON THE, UM, COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOUSING COMPONENT, UH, SHARON BOONE IS HERE AND WE COULD, UH, SHORTEN THE TIME THAT SHE NEEDS TO STAY AT CITY HALL IF ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS COULD BE ASKED NOW.
SO ARE THERE ANY, I THINK, YEAH.
I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO SEE.
SO PROBABLY WON'T BE NECESSARY FOR YOU TO STAY ANY LONGER.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT, LYNN? UH, ACTUALLY COLLIE PRETTY MUCH COVERED WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, WHICH WAS GETTING MORE OF THE DETAILS TOGETHER.
AND, UM, I ALSO THINK A CONTINUANCE MIGHT BE IN ORDER HERE TO GET THESE THINGS RESOLVED.
UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF, UM, QUESTIONS, JUST SMALL ONES.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S FOUR BOUTIQUE, UH, HOTELS IN YOUR COLLECTION, IN THE COLLECTION, OR I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THERE'S, YOU OWN MANY HOTELS, BUT THEN THERE'S SOME THAT YOU CLASSIFY AS BOUTIQUE HOTELS.
WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THOSE? THE TYPICAL SIZE OF A BOUTIQUE HOTEL TO GO IN ROOMS? NOT SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, PODIUM.
YEAH, THEY RANGED FROM, UH, 70 ROOMS TO LIKE 140 ROOMS. OH, OKAY.
AND AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE WERE, THEY WERE, THEY WERE MARKET LEADERS IN TERMS OF TRIPADVISOR RANKINGS.
SO THEY'RE IN COMMUNITIES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NUMBER ONE RANKED ON TRIPADVISOR.
UH, AND THAT'S WHY I REFER TO THOSE FOUR.
SO REALLY YOUR SUITE OF HOTELS TYPICALLY ARE IN THIS 70 TO ONE 40 RANGE WITH THIS BEING OUR, OUR LARGEST IS 200 ROOMS, SO.
UM, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS, I, I CAN TELL THIS IS A, HAS BEEN A VERY LONG PROCESS, AND I AGREE YOUR PRESENTATION HAS BEEN, UH, VERY GOOD AND THOROUGH WHETHER THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY THERE STILL TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE HOTEL A LITTLE BIT.
AND I DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE UNITS.
I THINK YOU'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND ON THAT.
SO IF THAT MADE IT MORE PALATABLE, BE ONE OF THE, UM, UH, SITUATIONS
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IN TOWN IS THAT WE HAVE A LACK OF APARTMENTS IN GENERAL.SO IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THAT PART OF THE PROPOSAL, UM, I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE A GOOD THING AND POTENTIALLY DECREASE THE SIZE OF THE HOTEL A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND THEN I JUST HAD A, A VERY BRIEF QUESTION ON THE SHUTTLES.
TYPICALLY IN, IN ONE OF YOUR HOTEL ARRANGEMENTS, HOW MANY SHUTTLES ARE ON THE PROPERTY? UH, USUALLY ONE OR TWO.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A PICK UP AND DROP OFF SITUATION.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS TO IRON OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, I LOVE THE IDEA OF A SHUTTLE, SO THAT'S OBVIOUS.
BUT THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT TRAFFIC COULD TIE UP ONE SHUTTLE IN A FIVE MILE RADIUS, UH, QUITE A BIT.
SO IT JUST MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SENSE OF WHAT WOULD REALLY BE OFFERED THERE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR NOW.
UM, MR. BANEY
I, I JUST WANNA SAY I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER, PARTICULARLY YOUR WIFE'S BACKGROUND IN PRESCOTT AND WHAT YOUR TIES ARE TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE SPECIFIC, AND THEN I HAVE JUST SORT OF A GENERAL THING.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RESERVATION SYSTEM, UH, AND USING IT TO, UM, LIMIT THE PARKING OR ALLOW YOU TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SLOTS AVAILABLE NECESSARY, ARE YOU SAYING YOU CAN ONLY, UM, COME TO THE RESTAURANT THROUGH A RESERVATION? YOU WON'T ALLOW WALK-INS? SO FOR, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, SO YEAH, FOR, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD GET A TABLE AT THE RESTAURANT OR GET A SEAT AT THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE WOULD BE TO MAKE A RESERVATION.
IF YOU WERE A GUEST AT THE HOTEL, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THAT, NOT ONLY THE RESERVED 50% CAPACITY, BUT SO LONG AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC ISN'T TAKING UP THEIR 50%, IT COULD GO GREATER THAN 50% FOR GUESTS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING PARKING.
BUT IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T WORK THE OTHER WAY.
LET'S ASSUME THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH TYS, BUT, UM, OKAY.
SO IT, IT, IT WOULD BE RESERVATION ONLY FOR THE PUBLIC.
IT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO MANAGE IT IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE RELIABLE.
UM, IN YOUR OTHER PROJECTS, WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT YOU, HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THAT? BECAUSE 20, 20 TO 30 DOES SEEM LOW AND I'M, I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
I, I THINK AT ANY ONE TIME WE, WE'VE DONE THESE PARKING STUDIES BEFORE AND THERE MIGHT BE 20 EMPLOYEES, MAYBE AT THE MOST AT ANY ONE TIME.
BUT, AND THAT'S NORMALLY DURING THE DAYTIME.
ANOTHER ASPECT OF THAT IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN, UH, OTHER HOTEL COMPANIES IS WE HAVE OUR HOME OFFICE IN BEND, OREGON, WHERE WE LIVE.
AND, UH, A LOT OF THE STAFF FOR THE HOTEL, UM, ISN'T BASED ON SITE.
SO WE HAVE, LIKE, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED A CALL CENTER IN CHICO, CALIFORNIA TO CUT DOWN ON STAFF.
'CAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW STAFFING'S BEEN FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN TOUGH ON THINGS.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A BACKBONE OF SUPPORT FROM BEND AND, AND OTHER PLACES THAT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF, UH, EMPLOYEES ON SITE.
I, I'M NOT JUST WORRIED ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PARK, BUT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA LIVE, YOU KNOW? SO IF IT'S REALLY 30 IS WHAT YOU REALLY THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, NOT JUST AT ANY POINT IN THE DAY, BUT OVERALL 'CAUSE OF SHIFTS.
ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE HOUSING UNITS THAT PROPOSE ON SITE, THE, THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS FOR 12 AND WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, PROVIDING 40.
SO IT'S LIKE OVER TRIPLE OF, OF WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS.
I REALIZE YOU MORE THAN MET THAT CRITERIA.
UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA LITIGATE THE STAFF REPORT TO USE YOUR WORDS.
UM, THERE'S SO MUCH IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THAT, UM, DOESN'T MEASURE UP YET.
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THE TIME ON THIS PROJECT IS EXTENSIVE, EVEN GIVEN C-O-V-I-D.SO I REALLY WANT TO ASK, I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE HERE TODAY AS OWNERS, NOT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES, BUT AS OWNERS ARE YOU, IF I I THINK PERSONALLY WE CAN, WELL, I,
UM, IT, THE CHANGE IN THE CFA, UM, WENT FROM ENCOURAGING, UH, FROM ENCOURAGING LODGING TO DISCOURAGING LODGING, BUT IT DID NOT ELIMINATE IT.
THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR IT IF THERE ARE ENOUGH COMMUNITY BENEFITS, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE ZONING DECISION.
BUT I'M REALLY, AND IT SEEMS LIKE COMING IN TODAY, YOUR EMPHASIS WAS ON TACKLING THAT ZONING DECISION AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER, WHICH MADE ME WONDER HOW SERIOUS YOU REALLY WERE IN COMING UP TO THE STANDARDS IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TWO DECISIONS TO MAKE, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOUR COMMITMENT IS TO YOU BET THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW? SO WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT TODAY.
WE, WE SAT DOWN AND, AND WENT THROUGH ALL THESE ITEMS, UH, ONE BY ONE, THE NON-COMPLIANCE ISSUES.
AND, UM, WE, WE THINK THAT ALL THOSE COULD BE RECTIFIED.
UM, A LOT OF THE HEIGHT ISSUES, I MEAN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY OR THERE MAY BE THREE INCHES HERE, MAYBE 14 INCHES HERE.
UH, MY COMMENT IS THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS, IS TWO STORY.
SO IT CAN EASILY BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE ON HEIGHT, HEIGHT ISSUES, YOU KNOW, 22 FEET WITH ANOTHER FIVE FEET, SO UP TO 20, 27 FEET.
SO, AND THERE'S OTHER BUILDING PLANES, UH, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS AND FIGURED OUT HOW WE CAN MODIFY THE PROJECT TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
SO YEAH, THERE'S SOME ISSUES OUT THERE OUTSTANDING THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT OVER, OVER THE LAST YEAR, LAST SEVERAL REVIEWS, A LOT OF THESE ISSUES HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.
WE'VE MODIFIED OUR PLANS A LOT.
WE'VE REDUCED FROM 120 SOME UNITS.
I THINK WE'VE REDUCED THAT TO 110, UM, LOST UNITS AND, UM, DONE FIXED A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE ALREADY THERE.
SO, I MEAN, I, LIKE I SAID, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THAT ON TODAY, AND WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT CAN'T BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE FROM A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW STANDPOINT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO DO.
SO I'M GONNA TAKE THAT AS A COMMITMENT.
ONE, ONE THING, I MEAN, GO AHEAD.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I THINK THE PROJECT COULD BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO BRINGING, BEING EVERYTHING BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, OH, WE TRUST, BUT VERIFY.
THAT KIND OF GOES TO WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE CITY AND MAKING THESE PROJECTS HAPPEN.
ONCE WE HAVE COMMITTED, WE REALLY HAVE NOT GIVEN UP ON PROJECTS.
I REALLY, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY.
AND, UM, WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN, IN OTHER CITIES WE'VE DEVELOPED IN IS WE'VE GOTTEN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND THAT'S NOT A FULL APPROVAL.
IF THOSE CONDITIONS AREN'T MEANT, THEN, THEN, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE FORWARD.
AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO CATER TO WHAT THE CITY STAFF AND WHAT NEEDS WERE AND, AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
UM, SO I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE A LITTLE TOO FAR APART RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT IF WE TRUST THAT YOU WILL COME BACK MM-HMM.
AND I DO SAY THAT WITH THE INTENTION OF LIKE, UH, REINFORCING THAT WE INTEND TO GET THOSE CONDITIONS MET.
IT WAS PART OF OUR CONVERSATIONS TODAY THAT WE'RE REALLY CLOSE ON A LOT OF THINGS.
90% OF THEM ARE ALMOST TRIVIAL.
NOT TRIVIAL, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE.
THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE AT WORK.
UM, BUT WE DISCUSSED IT TODAY, WE'RE COMMITTED TO GET FULL COMPLIANCE.
WE REALIZE WE'VE REALIZED THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE BLACK AND WHITE THAN THEY USED TO BE, JUST KIND OF FROM WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE USED TO.
UH, IN THE PAST WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, NEGOTIATION AND CONDITIONAL THINGS ON MAKING THINGS WORK.
BUT WE DECIDED TODAY THAT THINGS ARE A LOT MORE BLACK AND WHITE THAN WHAT WE'RE USED TO.
AND WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO GET IT THERE.
SO THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD TODAY.
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GEORGE.OH, DO WE WAIT FOR ALL CO COMMENTS OR CAN WE MAKE A MOVE TO CONTINUE? WELL, DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS TO SPEAK? AND I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO MINUTIAE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT TO GO INTO, BUT, UM, FIRST OF ALL, JUST PERSONAL COMMENT I WANNA MAKE IS, UM, UH, A LOT OF THE POSITIVE COMMENTS THAT CAME IN LATE THIS AFTERNOON, IT'S OBVIOUS THEY WERE ALL COOKIE CUTTER, CUT AND PASTE APPROVAL LETTERS, WHICH DOESN'T IMPRESS ME.
UH, UH, THE ARGUMENT THAT WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT TO REDUCE AIRBNBS IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T BUY THAT EITHER.
NO RESPONSE NEEDED, JUST MY PERSONAL OPINIONS.
UM, TWO THINGS THAT ARE BROADER PICTURE ITEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE COULD SEE THE NEXT TIME WE SEE THE PROJECT.
THERE WAS ZERO DISCUSSION MADE, UH, REGARDING POTABLE WATER, UH, FROM THE OAK CREEK WATER DISTRICT.
I COULDN'T FIND ANY MENTION ANYWHERE ABOUT THAT.
I SAW SOME WASTEWATER CALCULATIONS, BUT NOT POTABLE WATER.
SO I GUESS I DIDN'T SEE A LETTER FROM OAK CREEK WATER DISTRICT INDICATING THAT THEY SUPPORTED THE PROJECT OR COULD, UH, PROVIDE WATER FOR THE PROJECT.
MAYBE IT WAS BURIED IN THERE AND I DIDN'T SEE IT.
SO, UH, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER BRA.
SO WE DO HAVE A WILL SERVE LETTER FROM OAK CREEK WATER COMPANY.
IT, UM, AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, UH, IN COLLABORATION WITH THEM AS PART OF THIS PROJECT WILL, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY PROVIDE A LARGER BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, IS INSTALLING A FIRE LOOP THAT WILL ACTUALLY SERVE PART OF THE SADDLE ROCK HOMES COMMUNITY, WHERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE DUAL WATER LOOP THAT EXISTS ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
I JUST KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE HISTORY WITH OAK CREEK WATER DISTRICT.
I JUST WANT TO HAVE A GOOD FEELING THAT YES, THEY CAN SUPPORT YOU.
UH, SECOND THING IS, UM, AND YOU KNOW, ART HAS PROBABLY ADDRESSED THIS IN THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, BUT, UH, IT SEEMED LIKE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS BASED ON TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE SITE.
AND KNOWING THAT END OF, UH, 89 A, THE SOUTH END OF 89 A, UH, BETWEEN MOUNTAIN SHADOWS AND, UH, YOUR PROJECT AREA, THERE'S NOT A GOOD PLACE.
THERE IS NO GOOD PLACE TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN.
IT'S SUICIDE MAKING LEFT-HAND TURNS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION GOING THROUGH YOUR PROJECT TO GET TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ONTO 89 A.
SO, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR LANE CONFIGURATIONS ARE, UH, HOW MUCH ROOM YOU HAVE ON THE ENTRANCE ROAD, WHETHER IT'S 24 FOOT, WHETHER IT'S ENOUGH FOR TWO LANES OR THREE LANES, YOUR, UH, YOUR LANES ON 89 A YOUR ACCELERATION OR, UH, DECELERATION LANES AND SO FORTH.
YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THAT DETAIL, BUT I JUST DON'T REALLY KNOW IF YOU'VE ESTIMATED HOW MUCH TRAFFIC COULD POTENTIALLY BE COMING THROUGH YOUR SITE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC.
AND AGAIN, AS A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD WANT THE ENTIRE CITY OF SEDONA COMING UP THROUGH MY DRIVEWAY, BUT I, I THINK YOU'VE KIND OF MADE A COMMITMENT THAT, UH, BY PUTTING THE PORT SHOP IN THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MOVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE ESTIMATED ENOUGH TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH YOUR SITE.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER BROWN, THAT IS CERTAINLY PART OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
AND IN FACT, THAT'S THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE CONNECTOR ROAD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CFA AND, AND THE OTHER IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND, AND THE WAY THAT THIS WAS AN, AN NOT ONLY AN ENCOURAGED, BUT AN ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC CONNECTION TO ALLOW ACCESS TO A SIGNALED INTERSECTION THAT DID NOT PREVIOUSLY EXIST.
SO I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY THE EXPECTATION THAT THE SADDLE ROCK HOMES COMMUNITY WILL UTILIZE THAT ROAD TO GET TO THE SIGNAL.
IN FACT, THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE OF IT.
AND SO THERE'S, AND THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ANTICIPATES THAT AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES THAT WILL BE AT SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, OR, SORRY, AT, UM, SOLDIERS PASS IN 89 A AT SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE IN 89 A AND ALL OF THE OTHER, WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE STUDY INTERSECTIONS.
AND, AND IN FACT, ONCE ADOT HAD REVIEWED OUR TIA FOR THE FIRST TIME, THEY REQUESTED ADDITIONAL STUDY INTERSECTIONS AND ACTUALLY EXPANDED THE, THE SCOPE OF THE ANALYSIS TO INCLUDE, UM, TRAFFIC COUNTS AND, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A, A CASTING A WIDER NET AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT THAN WE HAD DONE PREVIOUSLY.
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THE ANALYSIS IS E EVEN BROADER THAN WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO BECAUSE ADOT ASKED FOR IT.MAYBE I NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH ART SOMETIME AND DIG THROUGH THE NUMBERS.
WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO CALL ANDREWS MIGUELS SKI AT SOUTHWEST TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.
'CAUSE SORRY, I WASN'T THE ONE WHO DID IT.
I'M GONNA GO ART BECKWITH, UH, ARTURA, I WORK AS THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, I'M GONNA SPEAK TO YOU AS A RESIDENT RATHER THAN THE ENGINEER.
I LIVE IN SADDLE ROCK, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
UM, I EXIT SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE EVERY DAY, THREE, FOUR TIMES A DAY.
UM, I GO HOME AT LUNCH EVERY DAY, AND I'VE NEVER HAD MORE THAN TWO CARS AHEAD OF ME ON SADDLE ROCK THAT I HAD TO WAIT FOR THEM TO EITHER TURN RIGHT OR LEFT.
SO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE GOING THROUGH THAT, UH, PROJECT WILL BE MINIMAL.
AND, UH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, UH, NOT, AND, AND THE INTENT OF THAT CONNECTOR ROAD IS EXACTLY THAT, TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO THE SOUTH IN THE SADDLE ROCK SUBDIVISION TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE LIGHT YEAH.
AND NOT HAVE TO TAKE THEIR LIVES INTO ACCOUNT WHEN TURNING LEFT ONTO 89 A THAT'S AS AN ENGINEER.
I'M, I'M JUST, GUT REACTION IS THERE MAY BE MORE PEOPLE THAT USE THAT SHORTCUT THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE.
AND AGAIN, UM, MY LAST COMMENT IS ALSO RELATED TO THE ROADWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I HOPE WE'RE NOT MOVING ANOTHER BACKUP LOCATION INTO THIS LOCATION ON 89 A, WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A NEW LIGHT WHERE WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR 20 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.
NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO ONLY THIS DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC, BUT TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TILL WE MEET AGAIN.
WELL, WELL, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT GOING LAST.
SO,
UH, THEN I'M GONNA, NEXT TO LAST, I'M GONNA LIMIT IT TO TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, ONE, UH, THE RE RENDERING LOOKED VERY NICE, BY THE WAY.
UM, AND IN THAT RENDERING, YOU SHOW ALL THE PAVERS, OR IS THAT STAMP CONCRETE? I NOT REALLY SURE.
THAT WAS JUST, WE, WE HAD ILLUSTRATED A, A PAVEMENT PATTERN IN THE SITE PLAN, AND I THINK THE RENDERING COMPANY JUST TOOK IT FROM THERE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS AFRAID OF,
UM, SO THAT IS NOT A COMMITMENT TO THEN BEING PAVERS.
THAT'S JUST A COMMITMENT THAT IS GONNA LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK THAT'S A FAIR ASSUMPTION.
WE CERTAINLY HAVE NO, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT BEING PAVERS TO SEE.
UM, AND YOU ANSWERED, I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, AND, AND PARTICULARLY APPRECIATED IN FACT THAT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE EV UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IN, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THEM, BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE IN THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 40, 50, 60% EVS INSTEAD OF GAS CARS AND ICE.
THAT'S LIKE PUTTING A GAS STATION IN A DAY IS KINDA LIKE BUILDING A, A HORSE BARN IN, YOU KNOW, 1910.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT BEFORE I MAKE COMMENTS, I WONDERED IF I, I'D LIKE TO CALL ON KURT TO, UH, REVIEW FOR US THE LEGAL INTERPRETATION OF THE APPLICATION OF ACFA AS A PLAN, AS WELL AS OTHER PLANS VIS-A-VIS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO A PROJECT AND THE TIMING OF THAT.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
SO THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOCUS AREA HAS BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY.
UM, AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMMUNITY PLANS IS, IS ONLY ONE PART OF THE 12 APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR BOTH, UH, REZONES AND THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
SO THERE'S 12 APPROVAL CRITERIA.
NOT ALL APPLY TO THIS PROJECT.
THE MAJORITY DUE, UM, OF THOSE 12.
AND SO YOU HAVE TWO CHECKLISTS.
YOU HAVE YOUR CFA CHECKLIST THAT THE STAFF REPORT HAS, AND THERE'S ALSO THE LDC CHECKLIST.
THE ENTIRE CFA CHECKLIST FITS INTO ONE COMPONENT OF THE LDC CHECKLIST.
SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY EQUAL.
UM, AS IN, AS IN, UH, THE CFA, UH, THE ONE REQUIRE REQUIREMENT OF THE 12 APPROVAL CRITERIA IS, UH, CONSISTENCY WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN.
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OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS.SO THE CFA, UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY APPROVAL CRITERIA OF THE 12 THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE FOUND BY, BY P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE REZONES AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
UH, THAT CAN BE, IF IT'S NOT PERFECTLY CONSISTENT, CAN BE, UM, APPROVED IF THERE'S SUFFICIENT COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE THE, THAT'S WHERE THE PLANS, UH, WHICH ARE ASPIRATIONAL DOCUMENTS KIND MEET THE ROAD.
BUT EVEN THEN THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE, THERE'S A LITTLE ROOM THERE FOR THE DECISION MAKERS, P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT HAS, HAS, HAS MET THE OVERARCHING VIEW OF THE, OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE APPLICABILITY OF THE CFA, THE SOLDIERS PASSED CFA THAT HAD BEEN AMENDED, AND WHEN IT BECOMES APPLICABLE TO AN EXISTING PROJECT? SO, UH, COMMUNITY PLANS AND SPEC, UH, THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREAS ARE, ARE JUST SPECIFIC PLANS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UH, THOSE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, THE UPDATE HAS TO TAKE PLACE EVERY 10 YEARS.
THERE'S NO GRANDFATHERING OF, OF THESE ASPIRATIONAL DOCUMENTS.
UM, THE DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW THE DATES OF WHEN THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS, WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED AND WHEN IT'S GONNA BE UPDATED.
UH, THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THE UPDATE IS, BUT THERE'S, UNLIKE A, A, A ZONING DOCUMENT THAT PROVIDES, UH, ENTITLEMENTS, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE THIS IS ZONE COMMERCIAL MM-HMM.
THOSE ARE ENTITLEMENTS THAT, THAT STICK WITH THE LAND AND THE CITY JUST CAN'T CHANGE THOUGH.
THE COMMUNITY PLANS ARE, ARE WHAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT DO CHANGE OVER TIME, AND THEY CAN BE AMENDED.
I MEAN, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S APPARENTLY BEEN GOING ON FOR NINE YEARS, FOUR YEARS ON THE LATEST APPLICATION.
AND THEY, UH, STAFF THEN TOOK THAT UP, BROUGHT IT TO P AND Z, UH, AND BY AUGUST OF 2022, COUNSEL HAD APPROVED, UH, THE CHANGE FROM THE CFA AND THE CFA'S USED TO ENCOURAGE, UH, LODGING MM-HMM.
UH, AND BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE WAS SHORT-TERM RENTALS GOING FROM ZERO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHEN THE CFA WAS FIRST ADOPTED, UH, TO OVER 1,100 SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY, EQUATING TO OVER 3000 HOTEL ROOMS, UH, HAS, HAS CHANGED WHAT THE CITY NEEDS.
AND SO COUNCIL DIRECTED THAT TO CHANGE.
THEY DIDN'T COMPLETELY ELIMINATE LODGING.
UH, THEY SAID, UH, IT'S NO LONGER ENCOURAGED IN THOSE AREAS.
UM, BUT THEY DID GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF THE MIXED USE ZONES THAT ARE, UH, OUTLINED IN THE, IN THE LBC.
SO THAT WAS THE CHANGE, UH, BOTH THE WESTERN GATEWAY AND THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA, THIS IS THE SOLDIER'S PAST CFA, UH, HAD THAT CHANGE, UH, ADOPTED BY, UH, RECOMMENDED BY P AND Z AND ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
COULD I ASK A, A QUESTION TOO? YES.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A COURT QUESTION OR WHOSE QUESTION IT IS, BUT IF THERE WAS A CONTINUANCE, IS IT A CONTINUANCE OF THE EXACT, UM, APPLICATION THAT WE ARE SEEING TONIGHT? OR CAN IT BE A CONTINUANCE FOR, UH, HOW DIFFERENT CAN THE NEXT SUBMITTAL BE TO BE CONSIDERED A CONTINUANCE? SO IT CAN'T BE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT, BUT THERE NO ONE'S, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING ANY DRASTIC CHANGES.
THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, THIS PLAN COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LDC, UH, UM, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, I CAN READ YOU.
IT, IT SAYS THAT, UM, AN APPLICANT MAY REVISE AN APPLICATION AFTER RECEIVING NOTICE OF COMPLIANCE DEFICIENCIES, FOLLOWING STAFF REVIEW OR ON REQUESTING AND RECEIVING PERMISSION FROM AN ADVISORY DECISION MAKING BODY.
UM, AFTER THAT BODY HAS REVIEWED BUT NOT TAKEN ACTION ON THE APPLICATION REVISION SHALL BE LIMITED TO CHANGES THAT DIRECTLY RESPOND TO SPECIFIC REQUESTS OR SUGGESTIONS.
AS LONG AS THEY CONSTITUTE ONLY MINOR AMENDMENTS, DELETIONS, OR CORRECTIONS, AND DO NOT INCLUDE SIGNIFICANT SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, ALL OTHER APPLICATION REVISION SHALL BE PROCESSES A NEW APPLICATION.
SO THE CHECKLISTS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED MM-HMM.
BUT AS MENTIONED EARLIER, AGAIN, WE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AS IT WAS SUBMITTED.
THEY MENTIONED A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THEIR APPLICATION THAT THEY SAID THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY OR YESTERDAY, WHICH WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT, LOOKED AT
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WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, WHAT THEY'RE REVIEWING, AND ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT, UM, ALL OF THE NOTED DEFICIENCIES HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, PROVIDED TO THEM IN PREVIOUS COMMENT LETTERS AND HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED UP TO THIS POINT.CAN I SAY ONE THING? NO, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, SO DON'T ASK ME HOW DIFFERENT IT WILL BE MARCH, BUT, UH, IN MARCH OF 2024.
SO THAT WOULD BE YET ANOTHER ASPIRATIONAL DOCUMENT, WHICH WOULD CHANGE.
WELL, MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T THINK SHE'S ASKED A QUESTION.
I THINK SHE WAS JUST STATING, MAKING A COMMENT.
I HAVE A FEW MORE COMMENTS AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYBODY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS IN REVIEWING CFAS IS, DOES THIS PROJECT PROVIDE A SUFFICIENT PUB SUFFICIENT PUBLIC BENEFIT? AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE AUTHENTICITY OF, UM, WHAT SEEMS TO BE COMING ACROSS FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND IT'D BE NICE IF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD FIND A WAY TO EMBRACE YOU IN OUR COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS YOU'RE TRYING TO EMBRACE US.
UM, A FEW OTHER COMMENTS, THINGS THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, THINGS TO THINK ABOUT ARE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY MAYBE A CO-OP SPACE, A CO-OP WORKSPACE ON THE PROPERTY THAT ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC TO HAVE A COMMUNITY SPACE TO WORK.
UM, ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT THE PLAN, AGAIN, ANOTHER THOUGHT IS, IS YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE AFFORDABLE AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE MARKET RATE.
WHAT ABOUT MIXING THEM? SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEM VERSUS US.
UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A NICE ORGANIC MIX.
UM, ALSO, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TALKS A LOT ABOUT RETENTION.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, WAS IMPRESSED WITH THIS MIT PROGRAM.
I LIKE THE GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND POTENTIALLY EDUCATING PEOPLE AT OUR LOCAL UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES TO ACTUALLY COME INTO THE AREA WITH WHAT THEY'VE LEARNED TO PROSPER IN THIS AREA, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH RETAINING, ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING ALSO TO HIGHLIGHT THAT KIND OF WAS BREEZED OVER PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, ANOTHER THING YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK INTO IS COORDINATING WITH THE FRIENDS OF VERDE RIVER.
THEY HAVE A RIVER FRIENDLY PROGRAM THAT, UM, PROVIDES CERTIFICATIONS AND GRANTS.
UM, AND IT'S ALL TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE LOCAL WATER SUPPLIES.
UM, SO THAT MIGHT ALSO MAKE THE PROJECT, UM, MORE PALATABLE.
UM, BUT, UM, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND, YOU KNOW, I AM DEFINITELY IN MY EXPERIENCE COME FROM WANTING TO EMBRACE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO, AS YOU SAID, BIG CONGLOMERATES.
AND, YOU KNOW, LODGING IS A VERY DIVISIVE ISSUE IN THIS, IN THIS TOWN.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, IT'D BE NICE TO MAKE IT LESS SO, AND THIS MAY BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY OF HOPE TO WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS NICE BECAUSE IT IS INFILL AND IT WILL BE DEVELOPED.
I APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR PRESENTATION AS WELL, MR. TATE, AND THAT THE WHOLE FAMILY, UM, JOINED US FOR OUR SITE VISIT AND FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
THERE ARE ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT THAT ARE VERY APPEALING TO ME.
AND, AND THAT'S MOSTLY, IF NOT ALL THE HOUSING COMPONENT, BECAUSE YOU'VE MORE THAN EXCEEDED WHAT THE CITY EXPECTS FROM ITS, UH, DIGA DOCUMENT.
AND, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S LAUDABLE VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I ALSO THINK THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED, UM, IT WAS NICE TO SEE THEM ALREADY WORKED IN.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE OFTEN BRING THEM UP.
WE SAY TO A, FOR AN APPLICANT, WELL, WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING SOLAR ON YOUR CARPORT? WOULD YOU THINK OF ADDING RAINWATER? WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO PULL THAT OUT.
AND YOU HAVE PROVIDED BOTH IN THE ARID LANDSCAPING AND IN THE SOLAR, UM, RENEWABLE ENERGY AND IN OTHER WAYS DEMONSTRATED THAT AS WELL AS YOUR, UM, HOSPITALITY PRACTICES AROUND WATER HAVE DEMONSTRATED A REAL COMMITMENT THAT THIS COMMUNITY
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APPRECIATES.NEVERTHELESS, WHEN I GOT THE STAFF REPORT, I WAS STUNNED THAT IT RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
AND THAT DOES NOT, I CAN'T REMEMBER ANOTHER TIME THAT THAT HAS COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, AND I'VE BEEN ON IT FOR 10 YEARS.
SO THERE HAD TO BE GOOD REASON FOR THAT.
AND WHAT I FOUND WAS THAT THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT LACK OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE TWO AREAS THAT WE LOOK FOR IN THE CFA COMPLIANCE AND IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND WE PROVIDE EXHAUSTIVE LISTS FOR OURSELVES.
IT LOOKS LIKE MINUTIAE, BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS IS IMPORTANT.
AND STAFF TAKES THE TIME TO REVIEW YOUR PLANS, REVIEW YOUR LETTER OF INTENT, AND TO COME UP WITH A COMPATIBILITY, COME BACK WITH A COMPLIANCE NUMBER, IF YOU WILL.
I ACTUALLY ADDED ALL THOSE UP, AND I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA TELL, WANT ME TO TELL YOU THAT BETWEEN NOT COMPLIANT AND PARTIALLY COMPLIANT, YOU ARE IN THE 40 TO 50% RANGE.
SO WHY WOULD YOU WANNA BRING SOMETHING TO US? IS THE QUESTION I ASKED MYSELF.
WHY WOULD YOU WANNA TAKE FOUR YEARS AND HAVE FOUR SIGNIFICANT REVIEWS BY STAFF AND NOT COME BACK TO STAFF TO DISCUSS THE AMENDMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO MAKE IT WHOLE? MAY I ANSWER? NO.
BUT YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET A CHANCE.
AND I, AND SO FOR ME, UM, IT'S HARD TO TAKE THIS APPLICATION SERIOUSLY BECAUSE YOU DID NOT TAKE THE CITY SERIOUSLY.
AND AND THAT REALLY DISAPPOINTS ME BECAUSE WE HAVE WONDERFUL STAFF.
IF YOU'LL JUST CALL 'EM UP AND SAY, WE WANNA SIT DOWN WITH YOU, BUT APPARENTLY YOU DIDN'T DO THAT FOR FOUR YEARS, AND YOU RESUBMITTED AND YOU RESUBMITTED AND YOU RESUBMITTED, AND THEN YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE SURPRISED AT THE DEPTH OF DETAIL THAT'S IN THIS STAFF REPORT AND THEN PICKED IT APART LITTLE BY LITTLE AND, AND FAIRLY SO, BECAUSE, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO DEMONSTRATE TO US THAT YOU HAVE COMMITMENT, BUT YOU SPENT 90% OF YOUR TIME THIS EVENING TELLING US YOU'LL CATCH UP.
IT'S, IT FEELS LIKE TOO MUCH TOO LATE TO ME, AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SAY THAT.
BUT YOU'VE HAD AMPLE TIME TO DO THIS RIGHT? AND THIS COMPANY WANTS IT DONE RIGHT.
AND AS YOU REPRESENT THEM, YOU MUST WANT TO DO THE SAME.
SO I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT, UM, YOU COULDN'T BRING THIS TO US WHOLE IS, AS I SAID, YOU SPENT ABOUT 90% OF YOUR TIME, AND I'VE WRITTEN IT ALL DOWN VERBATIM TELLING US WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET THAT TO YOU.
WE WILL HAVE TO MEET WITH STAFF.
WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE COMPLIANT.
BUT YOU WERE ASKED TO BE COMPLIANT ALREADY.
IT'S DIFFERENT FOR ME IN REVIEWING THIS APPLICATION, UM, TO SEE THE SERIOUSNESS OF YOUR COMMITMENT, I WOULD OPPOSE CONTINUATION.
YOU'VE HAD CONTINUATION AND YOU'VE GIVEN YOURSELVES A LOT OF YEARS TO DO IT RIGHT.
I SUPPORT STAFF, I SUPPORT THE THOROUGH ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN DONE.
I SUPPORT THE LEGAL ADVICE WE'VE GOTTEN AS TO HOW WE SHOULD IN INTERPRET THE APPLICABILITY OF PLANS, COMMUNITY PLANS, SPECIFIC PLANS.
AND I'M DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS A LOT OF MERIT.
AND SARAH HAS SAID THAT COLLIE HAS SAID THAT, UM, WE CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING AGAINST THE USES THAT YOU PROPOSE, EXCEPT A CAVEAT THAT COUNCIL HAS SAID TO US AND TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE DO NOT SUPPORT ANY MORE LODGING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
MIXED USE DOES, UM, IT'S NOT DISCOURAGED, BUT IT'S NOT ENCOURAGED
SO, SO I DO NOT SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE.
I THINK YOU HAVE HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A GOOD JOB.
WOULD YOU CARE TO RESPOND? I WAS JUST WAITING.
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CHAIR LEVIN, I, I WAS A LOT TO TAKE IN, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO PHRASE MY COMMENTS.UM, AGAIN, I THINK THERE, WELL, TRYING TO ORGANIZE MY THOUGHTS VERY QUICKLY HERE, UH, FOR THE QUESTION OF WHY WE BROUGHT SOMETHING TO YOU THAT IS VIEWED AS INCOMPLETE, THAT WASN'T OUR CHOICE.
WE SUBMITTED A SET OF PLANS IN MAY OF 2023 THAT OBVIOUSLY AS IT TURNED OUT, STILL HAD SOME WORK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.
BUT THE RESPONSE THAT WE GOT FROM STAFF WAS, THERE ARE STILL ITEMS THAT ARE INCOMPLETE, BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE WOULD'VE PREFERRED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANOTHER REVIEW.
UH, BUT THAT OPPORTUNITY WAS NOT AFFORD, WAS NOT AFFORDED TO US AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS YOU PHRASED IT, THE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A GOOD JOB.
I THINK THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY UNFAIR STATEMENT.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A DEMONSTRATED COMMITMENT FROM THIS ENTIRE, I MEAN, SIMPLY BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN APPLICATION SINCE 2016, DEMONSTRATES THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN DOGGEDNESS COMMITMENT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THAT THIS IS A, A, A PROPERTY OWNER AND, AND A, A DEVELOPER THAT BELIEVES IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO PHRASE IT, BUT THAT WE'VE GOT, THERE ARE PROFESSIONALS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS CASE THAT HAVE DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT THE WAY THAT ITEMS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT ONE IS RIGHT OR THE OTHER, UH, BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND CARRIE'S FRUSTRATION.
I UNDERSTAND OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM'S FRUSTRATION THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FOR, FOR LACK OF A, TO REALLY PUT IT BLUNTLY TO WORK THIS OUT.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE REALIZED IS THAT THE TIME FOR, I DUNNO IF THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY IT, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO PICK OUR BATTLES A LOT MORE CAREFULLY THAT WE THOUGHT WE, THERE WAS A, A LOT MORE THAT WE COULD, THAT THERE WAS ROOM FOR NEGOTIATION, THAT THERE WAS ROOM FOR DISCUSSION, THAT THERE WERE SIMPLY THINGS THAT WE COULD ARGUE OUR WAY INTO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT.
UM, AND I THINK IN READING THE STAFF REPORT, WE REALIZED THAT, AGAIN, I THINK I SAID THIS EARLIER, THAT WE JUST NEED TO TAKE OUR MEDICINE AND DO WHAT STAFF TELLS US TO DO FROM A CODE COMPLIANCE PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK THAT THERE, BUT THERE, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AS FAR AS THE, AGAIN, THE BLACK AND WHITE.
DOES THIS COMPLY WITH HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THE CODE ELEMENTS OF IT? MM-HMM.
WE'RE GONNA GET, WE'RE JUST GOING TO LISTEN, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THOSE ELEMENTS INTO COMPLIANCE.
THEN THERE ARE THE OTHER PLAN ELEMENTS OF THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY I SPENT SO MUCH TIME IN MY PRESENTATION ON THAT'S SIMPLY SOMETHING WHERE REASON WE BELIEVE REASONABLE MINDS CAN DIFFER AND THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, WITH THE CFA.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE ARGUMENT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON BECAUSE THAT'S THE PIECE OF THIS WHERE AS YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL HAS POINTED OUT, THERE IS A GREATER DISCRETIONARY ASPECT THAT EVEN IF FOR SOME REASON THERE IS NOT A MEETING OF THE MINDS, THERE IS STILL, AS YOU PUT IT, ENOUGH MERIT TO THE PROJECT THAT YOU CAN ON REASONABLE GROUNDS APPROVE IT.
AND SO, ALTHOUGH I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AS FAR AS YOU FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE, AND WE HAVEN'T, I WOULD HATE TO SEE SUCH A, NOT ONLY A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, BUT THE, THE WAY THAT EVEN THIS, I AM PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE DEGREE TO WHICH THIS COMMISSION HAS EMBRACED ELEMENTS OF THIS PROJECT AND FOUND MERIT IN WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND IF THIS WERE JUST SIMPLY TO MOVE FORWARD OR THIS PROJECT WERE TO DIE AND IT MEANS WE'VE GOTTA START OVER WITH A NEW APPLICATION, IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO BEFORE YOU SEE IT AGAIN.
AND WHO KNOWS, MAYBE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS HAS PASSED.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S STILL STRONGLY BELIEVE IS ACTUALLY A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT.
THERE IS ENOUGH GOOD IN THIS CASE.
AND I THINK ON, ON A LOT OF THESE CODE RELATED ISSUES, WE'RE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT WHAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT.
I CAN ATTEMPT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE.
SARAH, REMEMBER WE'RE DOWN TO SIX NOW.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING WRITTEN? I WAS JUST GONNA READ WHAT WAS ON THE OH, OKAY.
SO BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE MOTION TO CONTINUE
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DATE IS TO PICK A DATE, RIGHT? YEAH.SO, UM, YOU WANNA THROW OUT ANOTHER MEETING DATE FOR US? UM, SO OBVIOUSLY TWO WEEKS FROM NOW IS NOT POSSIBLE.
UM, IN DECEMBER, YOU HAVE DECEMBER 5TH AND DECEMBER 19TH, AND THEN IN JANUARY YOU HAVE JANUARY 2ND.
AND AS STEVE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE 16TH IS OUT BECAUSE THAT IS A COMMUNITY PLAN WORK SESSION.
WHICH, UM, WELL LET'S HEAR THE LANGUAGE FOR THE CONTINUANCE.
UM, I MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CASE NUMBER PZ, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES.
ONE NINE DASH 0 0 0 5 ER DEVELOPMENT, DEV VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING ON DATE TO BE DETERMINED IF IT IS SUPPORTED.
UM, I JUST, UM, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE MISCONSTRUED AS NOT BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY.
SARAH, WE'LL, UM, TAKE A SECOND AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION.
A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE.
WE BETTER INSERT A DATE RIGHT NOW, ONE OR TWO MONTHS OUT.
CAN YOU SUGGEST WHAT THAT WOULD BE? CARRIE? UM, SO WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION.
YOU'D BE LOOKING AT DECEMBER 5TH OR 19TH OR JANUARY 2ND.
AND AFTER THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT DATES IN FEBRUARY.
SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST TWO, YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS.
I MEAN, TWO MONTHS WOULD BE JANUARY 2ND.
WE CAN DO JANUARY AGAIN IN FEBRUARY.
UM, FOR NOW, WE'LL LEAVE IT AT JANUARY 2ND.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT.
AND NOW LET'S HAVE DISCUSSION.
SARAH, YOU WANTED TO SAY MORE? UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT THIS BE TO BE PERCEIVED AS NOT BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY.
I DEEPLY VALUE CITY STAFF AND THE REPORTS.
UM, I THINK I'M COMING MORE FROM A LONG-TERM VISION STANDPOINT AND WHO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ARE EMBRACING IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WE WANT DEVELOPING HERE.
AND SO I'M COMING MORE FROM A PLACE OF HOPE OF TRYING TO BRIDGE THE GAP AND PERHAPS MAYBE A PLACE OF FORGIVENESS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT TOOK SO LONG.
AND, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW, AND THAT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING TO ME AS WELL.
UM, BUT GIVEN THAT THIS IS AN INFILL PROJECT, IT WILL BE DEVELOPED.
UM, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TRY AND WORK TOGETHER AND I WOULD WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO SEE IF THAT'S FEASIBLE, GIVEN THE EFFORT AND WHAT'S TRYING TO BE DONE.
MORE DISCUSSION DOWN HERE, GEORGE.
UM, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT, WHAT NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON JANUARY 2ND OR WHATEVER OUR DATE IS GONNA BE, THAT IMPACTS THE QUESTION OF ZONING CHANGE.
I MEAN, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS HERE IN FRONT OF US.
IT SEEMS TO ME AS THOUGH WE COULD ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, HOLD OUT THE DEVELOPMENT REVISIONS FOR A FUTURE DATE.
UM, JUST MY FEELING IS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE ZONING DECISION AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEW INFORMATION, UH, UH, THAT THE OWNER IS GONNA BRING TO US THAT'S GONNA, UH, CHANGE OUR MIND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER VERSUS THE DEVELOPMENT WORK, WHICH WE KNOW THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE.
AND TO BE FAIR, I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UH, SOME TIME TO GIVE SOMETHING TO US THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MEETS THE CRITERIA AND IS APPROVABLE.
AND TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I USED TO HATE IT WHEN I WAS IN THE, UH, ENGINEERING BUSINESS.
DON'T TELL ME TO DO THIS OVER TO HOLIDAYS,
BUT I KNOW EVERYONE WANTS TO GET THIS THING DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
KURT, DO YOU HAVE A, AN OPINION ON NON, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION.
I I THINK WE'LL JUST STAY WITH A MOTION, BUT I WANNA TALK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD ON A, A ZONE CHANGE
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VIS-A-VIS DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND NOT PAIR THEM.COULD, COULD YOU JUMP IN? THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH BEFORE COMMISSION AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ACTED ON SIMULTANEOUSLY.
UM, BUT IT MAKES SENSE IF THE ZONE CHANGE WERE TO BE DENIED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WOULD BE AS WELL.
BUT THE OPPOSITE ISN'T NECESSARILY TRUE.
CAN I ASK A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE QUESTION? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE AND THEN THEY DECIDE TO GO BACK AND COMPLETELY CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING? I DON'T THINK WE WOULD DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
I KNOW WE WOULDN'T DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU WOULDN'T BE APPROVING THE ZONING CHANGE, YOU'D BE OFFERING A RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THIS MORNING, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
DO YOU, UM, DO WE NEED MORE SPECIFICITY IN THE, THE MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO, TO SAY WHAT IT IS WE ARE LOOKING FOR? IS IT JUST A COMPLETE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WAS LEFT UNDONE IN THIS APPLICATION? SO CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, YOU DON'T NEED THAT IN THE MOTION.
ALL YOUR COMMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTED DURING THE RECORD.
APPLICANT, APPLICANT HAS HEARD ALL THOSE THINGS.
WELL, I MEAN, IT, IT'D BE ON THEM IF THEY DON'T ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE ISSUES, THEN THEY WOULD, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT.
OH, WELL I JUST, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED.
I THINK, UH, GEORGE POINTED THIS OUT THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE CITY AND OR THE APPLICANT FEELS THEY'RE GONNA NEED MM-HMM.
IF GETTING YES IS EVEN POSSIBLE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD PUT A DATE THAT DOESN'T COINCIDE.
WE HAVE TO, WELL, I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE FOR A DATE UNLESS I KNOW IT'S GONNA GET THAT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT I WOULD EVEN VOTE FOR IT.
BUT I'M ONLY SAYING IF I WAS TO VOTE FOR IT MM-HMM.
I WOULDN'T WANNA BE WELL TO MAKE A CONTINUANCE, UH, MEANS IT LEAVES THIS MEETING OPEN BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE IT TO ANOTHER DATE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO ADD THAT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CLOSE IT AND THEN YEAH.
BUT MA'AM, I'M SURE I I PER PERHAPS WE SHOULD ASK THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR THEM TO PUT TOGETHER A APPROVABLE PACKAGE.
COMMISSIONER BRAND, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD MY MIC THAT GENTLY, BUT I SAID HE WAS SUGGESTING ASKING HOW MUCH TIME WE NEED AND I SAID I CAN ONLY ANSWER IF THEY ASK ME.
UM, I WOULD SAY FEBRUARY AT A MINIMUM, JUST BECAUSE AS YOU POINTED OUT, WE'VE GOT THREE MAJOR HOLIDAYS BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR.
WE'VE GOT THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMAS, AND NEW YEAR'S, UM, WHICH JUST EATS INTO EVERYBODY'S PRODUCTIVITY.
SO I THINK EARLY FEBRUARY AT A MINIMUM.
AND JUST KEEP IN MIND, AND I THINK THIS IS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, IF WE'RE NOT THERE, AT LEAST REPORT BACK HOW CLOSE WE ARE.
AND IF STAFF SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET THERE, THEN YOU GUYS HAVE, IT'S WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS TO JUST VOTE FOR IT THAT DAY.
BUT IF, IF, IF WE COME TO YOU AND STAFF COMES TO YOU AND SAYS THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE, BUT THEY NEED TO MAKE A COUPLE MORE ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE WE CAN GET THERE, THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE IT AGAIN.
SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANNA DO THAT.
BUT I'M COMMISSIONER OR CHAIR.
I'M JUST STATING THE FACT THAT THERE'S STILL THAT OPPORTUNITY.
EVEN IF WE SET A DATE FROM THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY DONE.
BUT IF WE'RE AWFULLY CLOSE BUT NOT QUITE THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO A JUST DECIDE TO DENY IT THEN.
OR IF, IF YOU SIMILARLY MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT WE'RE THAT CLOSE, YOU COULD PUSH IT 30 DAYS TO MARCH AND, AND
AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHANGES THEY WOULD MAKE EACH TIME THEY'VE COME BACK WITH CHANGES.
IT'S, IT'S NOT BEEN AN EASY SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH REVIEW.
UM, SO WE REALLY JUST NEED TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH.
WE CAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE OFFERED TO MEET WITH THEM.
UM, AND SO I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD TAKE US UP ON THAT, UM, GOING FORWARD.
BUT AGAIN, UNTIL WE SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, I WOULD AGREE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT ARE EASY TO DO.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT.
UM, AGAIN, MAYBE SOME OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THINGS ARE SMALL.
THERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS FOR THE CFA THAT COULD REQUIRE DIFFERENT CODE CHANGES.
THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ASKED THAT MAY FORM ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
AND SO AGAIN, UNTIL I SEE A RESUBMITTAL, I, SO
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IF YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN GET A RESUBMITTAL BACK IN, IN TWO MONTHS, I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME THAT WE ARE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT, UM, AND THEN PUT TOGETHER ANOTHER PACKET FOR YOUR REVIEW, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TIMING WOULD LOOK LIKE.BECAUSE IF YOU BACK IT UP FROM FEBRUARY, YOU PROBABLY WANT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, I MEAN, TO GET YOU A PACKET, I MEAN, THEIR DEADLINE IS NOT YOUR DEADLINE.
BUT WHAT IT REALLY MEANS IS MUCH LATER WHEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
POTENTIALLY AGAIN, UNTIL I, UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO MEET AND DISCUSS WHAT KIND OF CHANGES THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT MAKING OR HOW THEY'RE THINKING OF ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
I CAN'T REALLY SAY HOW, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, HOPEFULLY THIS TIME IT'LL BE, UM, IT WON'T BE ALL NEW WHEN THEY SUBMIT A NEW PACKAGE.
IT'S HARD TO KNOW BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR THE MEETING, THEY COULD TURN IT IN A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME.
SO I, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR, UH, CONTINUATION TO FEBRUARY WHAT? SIXTH? FEBRUARY 6TH WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
BUT THE MOTION WAS FOR, DID I FORGET WHAT THE MOTION WAS FOR, FOR JANUARY 2ND? YES.
SO IF WE COULD AMEND THE MOTION.
COULD YOU AMEND THAT? WHAT IS THAT? I JUST READ IT OVER AGAIN.
YOU CAN WITHDRAW AND DO A NEW MOTION.
I MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CASE NUMBER PZ 1 9 0 0 0 5 VILLAGE AT SADDLE CREEK CROSSING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING ON FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024.
UH, LET'S DO THIS BY HAND VOTE.
AND THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES.
DO YOU HAVE THOSE PEOPLE? OKAY.
SO WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION THIS EVENING.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEE YOU IN, SEE YOU IN FEBRUARY.
I HOPE YOU GIVE AMPLE TIME FOR STAFF TO REVIEW, UM, THE COMPLIANCE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT AND, UH, HAVE GOOD HOLIDAYS IN BETWEEN.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU FOR THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE.
THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
[7. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 21ST, UM, WE DO HAVE A WORK SESSION SCHEDULED WITH, UM, DID SOMEONE TURN THE LIGHTS OFF? ANYWAY, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.SO WE HAVE A WORK SESSION SCHEDULED FOR IN THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE, WHICH IS OFF OF SHUB HILL ROAD.
THEY ARE PROPOSING, UM, VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROPOSING A HOTEL PROJECT THERE AS WELL.
UM, IT'S A PROPERTY THAT WAS ZONED TO THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE DISTRICT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, WE ARE AGAIN SCHEDULING A NINE O'CLOCK SITE VISIT IN THE MORNING.
UM, IF THAT IS THE TIME THAT WORKS, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER WHEEL WAS GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN THAT DAY.
WHICH ONE IS THAT AGAIN? IT'S TWO DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE, AGAIN, IT'D BE A WORK SESSION IN THE AFTERNOON, SO NO PUBLIC HEARING OR POTENTIAL FOR ACTION.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE NUANCES OF THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE DISTRICT, UM, WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO BRING THEIR CURRENT PROPOSAL TO YOU.
UM, YOU WILL GET OUR LATEST ROUND OF COMMENTS ALONG WITH THEIR LATEST SUBMITTAL AND THEN, UM, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS THEY GO BACK AND WORK ON THEIR PROJECT, UM, PRIOR TO A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE FUTURE.
SO DO WE EXPECT THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES TO
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BE MAKING A PRESENTATION AT THE WORK SESSION? YES.SO WE CAN, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM AND ASK FOR THAT.
AND AGAIN, THE POINT OF THAT IS A WORK SESSION.
IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, WE USED TO, I MEAN I THINK CHAIR LEVIN IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE FAMILIAR WITH WORK SESSIONS.
WE USED TO DO THEM ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS, BUT IT IS AGAIN, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH A PROJECT AND FOR THE APPLICANT TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, AGAIN, AS THEY GO BACK AND MAKE SOME CHANGES.
WOULD YOU, UM, ALSO FIND OUT IF THEY HAVE BEFORE WE HAVE THAT WORK SESSION, IF THEY FOLLOWED UP WITH A HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY ON THE STRUCTURE, THE SOUTHERNMOST STRUCTURE? MM-HMM.
UM, BUT THEY'RE, SO WE'LL BE SENDING OUT THE PACKET NEXT WEEK.
BUT CAN YOU INCLUDE THOSE IN THE PACKET? YEAH, SO I MEAN, WE WILL INCLUDE PROBABLY, AGAIN, LINKS TO ALL OF THEIR DOCUMENTS.
SO PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO, THE FILE SITE IS TOO LARGE TO GET THEM ALL TO YOU, BUT YEAH.
BUT THEY ARE ALL ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL.
IF YOU WANNA START LOOKING THROUGH ANYTHING NOW.
CARRIE, WHAT TIME IS THAT MEETING? UH, IT'D BE A 4 30, 4 30 WORK SESSION AND A 9:00 AM UH, SIDEWALK.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT ONE'S GONNA GO QUITE AS LONG AS THIS ONE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT HUSBAND'S BIRTHDAY, I HOPE.
AND THEN, UM, KURT LOOKED LIKE HE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
YEAH, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I'M GONNA STOP TALKING.
WE'RE THEN, UM, AGAIN, FOR DECEMBER 5TH, WE HAD ORIGINALLY RESERVED THAT FOR A COMMUNITY PLAN WORK SESSION, BUT AS STEVE SAID EARLIER, UM, CYNTHIA'S LOOKING AT DOING MORE JUST MEETING INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN DOING THE GROUP WORK SESSION IN JANUARY.
SO, UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING MEM MEETINGS IN DECEMBER AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT BE LOOK BEYOND THE LOOKOUT FOR THAT CONTACT FROM CYNTHIA BECAUSE SHE WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH, UM, PEOPLE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN DRAFT ONCE IT COMES OUT AND YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH IT.
THERE WON'T BE ANY OFFICIAL MEETING FOR THAT.
CLOSE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND NOW WE CAN ADJOURN AT 8 0 5.
GREAT STAFF, GREAT COMMISSIONERS.