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I'M CALLING THIS[ Historic Preservation Commission on November 13, 2023.]
MEETING TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH, 2023.UM, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THE PLEDGE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND DO YOU WANNA DO THE ROLL CALL DONNA, PLEASE? SURE.
AND COMMISSIONER HUGGINS HERE.
COMMISSIONER EGNER IS EXCUSED.
OKAY, SO, UM, WE CAN GO INTO ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PART OF THE WHOLE MEETING, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA BE JUST STEPPING IN THERE.
DO, DO YOU, STEVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR US? UH, NOT THAT ARE NOT ALREADY PART OF THE AGENDA LATER ON.
WELL, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, OR THE COMMISSION KNOW ANYWAY, THAT, UM, THE LADIES WITH THE KIVA HOUSE, HAVE THEY, HAVE, THEY ACTUALLY, THEY'VE SENT IN EVERYTHING.
I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'VE MOVED AHEAD.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING AHEAD.
WE'RE MOVING WITH IT, RIGHT? YES.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN THAT REGARD.
UM, ONE, UH, CHAIR FEENEY, UH, COMMISSIONER FEENEY.
UM, SORRY, I JUST ELEVATED YOU.
I'VE ALREADY DECLINED THAT, STEVE.
UM, HANDED ME THE UPDATED, UM, I HAVE IT, YEAH.
THE UPDATED, UH, SURVEY, UH, UM, FOR THE HOUSE, UH, THINGS HAD CHANGED BASED UPON OUR LAST MEETING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS AND WITH THE INFORMATION THAT THEY BROUGHT TO OUR LAST MEETING.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER FEENEY, UH, VERY NICELY UPDATED THAT FOR US.
UH, WE CAN GET IT SCANNED IN, WE CAN GET IT SENT OFF TO NANCY BURGESS, UH, TO GET THE WHOLE SURVEY STARTED.
UH, THE SECOND IS I ALSO SPOKE TO BOTH LYNN AND, OH BOY.
AND, UH, UH, THEY ASKED ME ABOUT THE PROCESS.
WE TALKED THE PROCESS THROUGH, UM, AND THEY WERE MORE THAN FINE WITH, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT'S TAKING BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UH, REPAINT THE HOUSE, SAME COLOR, BUT, UM, THEY HAVE REPAINTED PORTIONS OF IT EARLIER.
UH, THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BLEND.
SO NOW THEY WANNA PAINT THE WHOLE HOUSE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME COLOR.
SO, UM, THEY ARE FINE WITH THE, THE FACT THAT IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH OH, GREAT.
BEFORE WE CAN GET TO THE DECISION PROCESS.
JUST SO THAT Y'ALL ARE MADE AWARE, UM, THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO MENTION TO ALL OF THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS THE HPC CONFERENCE, IS GOING TO GO BACK TO THEIR NORMAL TIMING THAT THEY DID BEFORE, UM, BEFORE COVID AND BEFORE COVID.
THEY, THEY ALWAYS DID OUR MEETINGS IN JUNE.
SO THIS YEAR IN JUNE, JUNE 25TH THROUGH AND 27TH WILL BE THE DATES FOR THE MEETING.
SO, UM, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUT THAT ON THE CALENDAR, START TAKING A LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY ATTEND, UM, THAT, THAT CONFERENCE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY, UM, COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE, UH, UH, CURRENT EVENTS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? A QUESTION? HAVE THEY ANNOUNCED WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE? IT'S GONNA BE IN PHOENIX.
IT'S GONNA BE IN, UH, PRESCOTT.
IT'S GONNA BE IN PRESCOTT, PRESCOTT AGAIN.
SO BASICALLY, AND THAT, THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW PRESCOTT, THEY, THE CITY WILL NOT BE, UH, PAYING FOR THE ROOMS SINCE IT'S WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN DRIVING DISTANCE.
UM, I'M GONNA TAKE A ROOM ANYWAY BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA DRIVE BACK AND FORTH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, BUT THAT, AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT, BUT THE CITY WILL NOT BE PICKING UP THE TAP FOR THE ROOM.
AND MADAM CHAIR CLOSE, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, IF THEY RETURN TO THEIR TOTAL PRE-SCHEDULING, UM, THEY TYPICALLY WILL START ASKING FOR REGISTRATIONS AROUND FEBRUARY RIGHT.
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT.
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PLAN HEADERS,SO, UM, MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 9TH, 2023? NO HEARING, NO CORRECTION.
THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED, SO WE CAN GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
I DO NOT THINK THERE'S ANYBODY HERE FROM THE, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC THAT IS, THAT INTENDS ON MAKING A COMMENT.
SO WE CAN MOVE FROM THAT TO THE REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM FIVE.
UM, AND MY, MY PRINTOUT IS A LITTLE BIT WEIRD, SO I'M GONNA, I THINK IT'S RIGHT, BUT DISCUSSION REGARDING WHETHER THE COMMISSION HAS AN ALLOW ALLOWANCE AND LP PHELPS MECHANISM TO ISSUE HISTORIC RESOURCE REG RESIGNATION AND ASSOCIATED PLAQUE.
UM, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WAS THE UPDATE PRESENTATION, UH, OF THE RANGER STATION PROJECT.
OH, IT WAS, BECAUSE THAT, ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS PRINTED OUT REALLY STRANGELY.
I'VE GOT AN A AT ON TOP OF AB, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT ON HERE, SO, WELL, MAYBE LET'S GO WITH GO, LET'S GO WITH THAT THEN.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT SANDY.
YEAH, I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU WERE HERE WHEN
SO, SO MADE A NICE PRESENTATION, SO, UH, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS PRINTED OUT THIS WAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT DID.
SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO CREAK THEIR NECKS.
SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN BUSY, BUSY, BUSY, BUSY.
AND IF YOU'VE GONE BY THE SITE, IT'S, WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS THERE RIGHT NOW WORKING.
UM, SO WE WERE, UM, LUCKY TO EVER BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR, UM, MAINTENANCE TEAM WHO HAS A DRONE TO BE ABLE TO FLY IT THIS MORNING TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN AERIAL.
BUT I WANTED TO REMIND YOU WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BACK IN AUGUST, NOT SO LONG AGO.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS THE GRAY WALKWAY UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UM, LET ME POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING.
WHICH BUTTON IS IT? THE RIGHT BUTTON.
I THINK IT'S ONE IN THE MIDDLE, PERHAPS.
I AM GONNA REACH, SO HERE'S THE ADA PARKING.
HERE'S THE, UM, ADA ACCESS AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO HERE IS THE, UM, IT'S DUG OUT FOR THE PLAYGROUND AREA BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS PUT THAT, UM, SAME SURFACE THAT COLLECTS GROUND SURFACE THERE.
UM, THESE ARE THE GIAN BOXES THAT ARE GONNA GO IN THE OVERFILL.
SO THEY HAVE, AND THE PILE OF ROCKETS GONNA FILL THEM.
WE'VE GOT A TRACK OUT RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT WAY WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WALK IN THE AREA.
UM, THIS KEEPS THEM, OH, COME BACK.
WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN IN THE AREA THAT COMES UP THE SIDE RIGHT WHERE THAT WALKWAY IS.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM WALKING THROUGH OUR CONSTRUCTION CENTER.
UM, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO COME UP FROM, OH, THAT'S WEIRD.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE, OH NO, THERE IT GOES.
I MUST HAVE, YOU CAN'T TOUCH
AND WE'RE JUST NOW CUTTING IN THE WALKWAY AROUND THE FRONT.
AND, UM, SO ONE CONTRACTOR IS DOING THE CONCRETE AND THE DEVIOUS.
THE OTHER CONTRACTOR IS DOING THE LANDSCAPE AND THE IRRIGATION.
MAINE, THE SOLID'S GONNA BE LAID DOWN TOMORROW,
UM, SO THIS IS, THE TREE WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, HERE AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE WALKWAY GOING AROUND.
ONE THING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE IS THIS WALKWAY ON THE DESIGN JUST DROPPED YOU OFF RIGHT HERE.
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A, ADA CROSSING.'CAUSE I REMEMBER MISSION HUG ENDS HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY GETTING ACROSS THERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT A RAMP ACROSS THE VALLEY GUTTER ACROSS HERE, BUT WE NEED TO PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GET 'EM FROM HERE TO HERE.
WE'VE GOT SOME CONTRACTORS THAT CAN LAY THAT SMALL PIECE OF CONCRETE AT SOME POINT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED FOR SOME REASON.
THAT'S SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS ON THESE PROJECTS IS HOW DID THAT SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS? UM, BUT WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
UM, THE, WE PLANTED GRASS AND SO THAT'S DOING REALLY GOOD.
AND THE IRRIGATION MAINS ARE IN THAT AREA, BUT WE ARE GONNA ADD MORE PLANTS AS YOU SAW ON THE PLANTS AROUND HERE.
SANDY, DID WE WANNA MENTION THE TREES? OH YEAH.
UM, SO ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD, THEY'RE PUTTING THE 1.5 MILLION GALLON TANK JUST OFF OF MALLARD, I BELIEVE IT IS.
AND SO THEY'RE DOING SOME BLASTING THIS WEEK AND, UM, THEY'VE PULLED OUT SOME OF THEIR SUBSTANTIAL TREES AND THEY'VE PUT 'EM IN BOXES THAT ARE FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX FOOT, AND WE'RE GONNA GET 14 OF THOSE TREES TO PUT IT IN ON THE SITE.
SO IT'S VERY EXCITING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME BIG MATURE TREES TO PUT IN.
SO WE'VE GOT 10 PINON AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE A COUPLE OF, OF JUNIPER AND PUT 'EM ON THE SOUTH SIDE NEAR THE, UH, DETENTION BASIS.
SO, BACK AGAIN, UM, JUST TO KIND OF REMEMBER WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
ALL WE'VE BEEN DOING DOESN'T, SO DON'T TOUCH IT.
AND JUST A REMINDER, THE, THE MASTER PLAN.
SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE YET TO DO IS WE NEED TO BID OUT THE SHARED USE PATH WITH STABILIZED DG AND THEN ALSO THE A, B, C FOR THE PARKING AREAS.
THAT'LL BE, UM, I'LL COVER JUST WITH, UM, WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU FOUND? YEAH.
SO, UM, WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH SWAN ARCHITECTS TO BEGIN THE INTERIOR DESIGN OF THE HOUSE AND THE BARN, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WE NEEDED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF INVESTIGATION ON WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE YEARS.
SO YOU CAN SEE BY THE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, THE ONE BACK BEDROOM THERE, A THIRD PHOTO.
UH, THEY DO HAVE THE OAK PLANK FLOORS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'VE BEEN IN THERE SINCE THE FIFTIES.
I WOULD IMAGINE WE PULLED THAT OLD CARPET UP.
AND THAT COMES INTO THE LIVING ROOM AREA THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE KITCHEN WHERE IT STOPS.
UM, THE PICTURE ON THE FAR RIGHT IS THE OLD PATIO SCREENED IN PATIO SECTION OF THE HOUSE.
UH, WHEN WE TOOK THE DRYWALL DOWN, WE FOUND, UH, WHAT WE BELIEVE WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, THE PLANK, THE ANGLED PLANKED ROOF.
UM, THE TIMBERS THAT YOU SEE BELOW THE ROOF ARE NOT STRUCTURAL IN NATURE, SO I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS JUST A BEVELED ROOF LINE, UM, NEED OF SOME REPAIR.
BUT MOST OF THOSE BOARDS ARE ORIGINAL.
UM, AND THEN THE FIREPLACE, WHICH WAS PRETTY EXCITING.
UH, WE OPENED IT UP BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE HAD A DUAL FIREPLACE WITH ONE FIREPLACE IN THE LIVING ROOM AND THEN ONE IN THE KITCHEN.
UH, BUT IT TURNS OUT THEY PROBABLY JUST HAD A POTBELLY STOVE OF SOME SORT, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE HOLE FOR VENTILATION THAT GOES UP THROUGH THE STACK.
UM, SO THEY BUILT IT WITH ALL OF THAT, UM, THE RED ROCK THAT GOES UP, OH, PROBABLY JUST BELOW THE ROOF LINE.
AND THEN THEY TURN TO A MORE OF A MODERN BRICK TO SQUARE IT OUT OF THE ROOF.
UM, SO NOT GOING TO, NOT SURE IF WE'RE GONNA EXPOSE THAT SIDE OF THE, UH, FIREPLACE, UH, BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, SO YEAH, SO INTERESTING STUFF AND WE WERE ABLE TO REMOVE ALL OF THE CONTAMINANTS IN THAT
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROPOSED LAYOUTS.
UM, AND I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS FOR THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, ORIGINALLY HE HAD LOOKED AT POSSIBLY GETTING RID OF THAT SLOPE SIDEWALK UP TO THE FRONT PORCH THAT'S COMING IN FROM THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
BUT WE AGREED SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, THE EXTERIOR, UM, THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND LEAVE THAT THERE.
UM, ONE OF THE MAJOR CHANGES IS THE RESTROOM AREA.
AND, UM, THAT RESTROOM IS SO LARGE THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW.
YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT THE MULTIPURPOSE MEETING SPACE IN THE LOWER
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LEFT HAND CORNER, AND THEN A INFORMAL MEETING SPACE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.AND THEN WE'VE GOT LIKE A BENCH AREA, GALLERY AREA, UM, IN THE MIDDLE.
AND BY TAKING OUT THE, THE WALL IN THIS AREA, IT ALLOWS ALL THOSE DIFFERENT SPACES TO ACCESS THE RESTROOM AND ALSO MAKES, UM, WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE RESTROOM IS ADA, UM, THE, HE PUT SLIDING GLASS DOORS, UM, OR GLASS PARTITION.
AND THAT'S, SO YOU CAN SEE IF SOMEONE'S IN THERE AND, AND IT WOULD BE A FROSTED OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE IMAGINING, BUT OPEN TO DOING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE IN CHARACTER OF A PANEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, WE'VE PASSED THIS ON TO PARKS AND REC AND THEY'RE VERY PLEASED WITH THIS LAYOUT.
UM, YOU SEE THE FIREPLACE IS BEING MAINTAINED.
WE'VE GOT AN AREA FOR PHOTOS AND, UM, FOR STORAGE THERE'S A CLOSET JUST OUTSIDE THE RESTROOM.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE PLUMBING THAT'S AVAILABLE THERE, UM, WE CAN PUT IN A, A SINK IF NEED BE AND SOME MORE STORAGE.
UM, WE JUST PUT IN THE TABLES AND THE CHAIRS KIND OF TO GIVE YOU A FEEL FOR THE SPACE SIZE.
WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THESE ARE MEETING SPACES ONLY.
UM, THEY COULD BE EASELS, ESPECIALLY IN THAT, UM, THE TOP, THE INFORMAL MEETING SPACE.
THAT COULD BE PAINTING, IT COULD BE CARDS, IT COULD BE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT USES FOR THESE SPACES.
UM, COMMENTS OR SHOULD I GO AHEAD TO THE OTHER ONES? AND DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, BOB, HAVE YOU, ARE YOU LOOKING AT, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT NO COMMENTS.
UM, SO THE BARN, THIS IS, WE JUST RECEIVED THIS THIS MORNING, SO, UM, I THINK IT'S GOT SOME GOOD POTENTIAL AND MAYBE IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE TWO.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ON, I THINK IT'S OPTION TWO SHOWS THE, UM, MAYBE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY REMOVED.
I THOUGHT HE SAID THE KITCHEN REMOVAL OF THE, THE WALL THAT DIVIDER THE DIAGONAL WALL, BUT IT'S NOT.
SO IN OPTION ONE, I THINK IT'LL LOOK REALLY NEAT TO HAVE SLIDING BARN DOORS TO SEPARATE THE LARGER ROOM FROM THE BACK PORTION OF THE ROOM.
UM, I LIKE THAT HE'S GOT SOME STAIRS GOING UP TO THE LOFT AREA AND MAKING THAT LOFT AREA, UM, USABLE.
I THINK THE SHUTTERS, TO CLOSE IT OFF WITH HANDRAILS IS A GUARDRAILS IS A GREAT IDEA THAT YOU CAN OPEN IT OR CLOSE IT.
AND, UM, THE STORAGE STAGING ROOM IN THE BACK IS ALL GOOD.
SO, UM, IT JUST, SOME OPTIONS WITH THIS ONE, WITH THE STAIR AT THE BOTTOM, UM, KIND OF OPENS THAT LOFT UPSTAIRS.
LOFT A LITTLE, GIVES US A LITTLE MORE ROOM.
THE SECOND OPTION, UM, DIVIDES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE STAIR GOING UP IN THE KIND OF THE EXISTING LOCATION.
AND, UM, I LIKE HOW THE BACK ROOM IS KIND OF DIVIDED WITH LIKE A FOOD DELIVERY HOLDING AREA, KIND OF LIKE A SERVING AREA.
UM, IT COULD ALSO BE USED FOR STORAGE AND IT SHOWS A SMALL, UH, HAND WASH SINK OUT THE BACK, BUT LEAVES THAT FRONT AREA VERY OPEN.
THE PORTABLE PLATFORM, UM, THAT'S IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER IS MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE DO WITH THE HUB.
I KNOW THAT FACILITIES, LARRY AND HIS TEAM, UM, OFTEN ARE SETTING UP A PLATFORM AND PULLING IT DOWN.
SO IT'S AN OPTION FOR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE.
AND EITHER ONE YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING OF JUST AS, AS A CURIOSITY, IS THAT ALL THOSE SEATING, THE SEATING, WHETHER IT'S IN THE ROUND TABLE OR WHETHER IT'S JUST STRAIGHT SEATING, CROSS SEATING, UM, THAT'S ALL MOVABLE, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHERE IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T PLAN ON ACTUALLY PUTTING A SOLID SEATING THERE BECAUSE THAT WAY IT LEAVES IT OPEN TO MORE USES, MORE USES FOR THIS SPACE.
AND AGAIN, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, JUST NEXT TO THAT, UM, THE LOFT DOOR IS WHERE WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN, UM, EASILY CROSS OVER THAT VALLEY GUTTER THAT'S OUTSIDE.
SO IT'LL BE A RAMP THAT THEY CAN, UM,
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WHEEL IN, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY STACK CHAIRS AND TABLES AND UM, AND FOOD OR WHATEVER, UH, EQUIPMENT THEY WANNA BRING IN WILL BE, UM, TRUCKS CAN BACK UP AND UNLOAD AT THAT POINT.SO, AND THEY, AND THEY THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE TO, IF THEY WANTED TO TAKE ALL THOSE OUT, THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH STORAGE SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN AND DO SOMETHING LIKE A GALLERY TYPE YES.
FROM A FACILITY STANDPOINT, I BELIEVE THAT OPTION TWO REALLY WORKS THE BEST FOR MULTIPLE USES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE HUB, UM, THEY RENT THAT OUT ON A WEEKLY BASIS FROM ANYTHING FROM TRAINING SEMINARS TO WEDDINGS AND WHATEVER.
IT'S, MOST OF THE TIME IT'S JUST AN OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S QUITE A SELLING FEATURE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANNA RENT THE SPACE.
THEY GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY CAN DO.
UM, OF COURSE THEY'LL HAVE ALL OF THE AMENITIES, THE TABLES AND CHAIRS THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN CALL BASICALLY HOWEVER THEY WANT TO SET IT UP.
UM, AND THEN GENERALLY THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF FOOD SERVICE, COFFEE, SNACKS, COOKIES, WHATEVER.
SO HAVING A HAND WASHING SINK OR SOME WAY TO DEAL WITH, UM, THE DIRTY DISHES, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A PLUS.
AND WE'LL HAVE THE, AND THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE BIGGER THAN THE HUB TOO.
'CAUSE THE HUB IS NOT AS LARGE AS THIS VENUE.
UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION.
WELL THE HUB IS SORT OF A LITTLE BIT MORE AWKWARD IN TERMS OF THE SHAPE.
IT'S SORT OF, UH, YEAH, LITTLE HIGHS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THERE QUITE A FEW TIMES.
WE'VE DONE THINGS IN THERE A LONG TIME AGO.
BUT YEAH, FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER, IT, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF IT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MUCH MORE CONDUCIVE TO THIS KIND OF THING WHERE YOU CAN EASILY LAY IT OUT AND, AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SPACE YOU HAVE.
UM, SO ON, ON OPTION ONE, THAT, THAT FIRST WALL, UH, AS YOU HEAD TOWARDS THE BACK MM-HMM.
AND THE SECOND ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT WALL COMES OUT COMPLETELY.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S NOT THE, THE NICE SLANTED, THE SHEAR.
WE'RE KEEPING THAT GORGEOUS WALL
WELL, NO, I KNOW WE, WE'VE ALL HAD THAT CONVERSATION, SO I JUST WANTED TO FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION.
AND, AND THE SECOND ONE ACTUALLY WORKS BETTER TOO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF EXHIBITS IN THE, IN THE REGULAR KNOW THE REGULAR HOUSE RATHER THAN THERE.
BUT I WOULD THINK THAT EVEN WITH, EVEN WITH, UM, ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE GONNA PUT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SPACES ON THE WALLS WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT SOME, SOME OF THE, THE DISPLAYS THAT YOU WANT TO TOO.
SO ON OPTION TWO IT DOES, UM, AND I'M SEEING IT NOW, REMOVE WALL AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO, UM, THAT WALL'S STAYING, THAT'S THAT SHEAR WALL, IT'S GOTTA STAY 'CAUSE IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP.
SO THAT'LL JUST, AND IF WE GO WITH OPTION TWO, WE'D PROBABLY WANNA ADD ANOTHER DOOR.
SO THAT WAY, SIMILAR TO OPTION ONE, WHERE IF THAT'S THE SERVING TABLE AREA, PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND GO OUT AND THERE, THERE'LL BE A CIRCULATION.
AND, AND THE GLASS, THE GLASS DIVIDER THAT YOU HAVE IN THE HOUSE, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE, UM, BOB YOU WOULD BE WITH THAT, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T THEN LOOK LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA PUT OTHER FURNITURE IN THERE THAT LOOKS OLD.
WHETHER THAT FITS WITH YOUR IDEA OF WHAT YOU WERE THINKING WE WOULD DO WITH THAT SPACE.
NO, BUT MY COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY GONE IN ON, ON, UH, AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT AND, UH, APPARENTLY IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
OH, SO I'VE GOT, OH, GO AHEAD.
I, I'VE BEEN PONDERING THE, THE, UH, THE FLOW OF THE HOUSE AND I, WHAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND FLIPPING THE KITCHEN? THAT IT WOULD ALLOW YOU ACCESS TO THE KITCHEN FROM EITHER THE INFORMAL MEETING SPACE OR THE, THE OTHER MEETING SPACE? THE LARGER MEETING SPACE.
SO IF YOU WERE IN THE LARGER, YOU'D COME OUT, GO RIGHT AND GO, YOU COULD GO RIGHT AGAIN TO THE BATHROOM.
UM, SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS AT ONE POINT WHERE
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YOU WOULD NOT BE DISTURBING EITHER GROUP BY HAVING AN ACCESS FROM BOTH ROOMS DIRECTLY TO THE RESTROOM.SO IT CAN BE ISOLATED AND THEN THAT FRONT AREA OF THE GALLERY SPACE.
I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE, UM, IN THE OTHER CONFIGURATION, THE, THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, UM, IT WAS IN MY MIND A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE WAY THEY LOCATED EVERYTHING.
AND, UH, AND THIS LOOKS LIKE THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF THAT.
AND, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL, ALL NEW FIXTURES AND EVERYTHING IN, IN THAT NEW SPACE.
WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED ANY FIXTURES YET.
AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE MET BEFORE THE, THE DISCUSSION ON SINKS AND REFRIGERATORS AND ALL, UM, YOU GUYS HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT SPACE IS MINIMIZED.
SO THIS DOESN'T BECOME A KITCHEN SPACE.
SO THIS IS MAINLY JUST A MUCH SMALLER AND MORE ISOLATED.
SO IT'S NOT A FEATURE REALLY OF THE, THE, AND THAT WAY WE'VE GOT THAT GALLERY SPACE AND THE PHOTOS AND IT'S MORE TUCKED BACK.
SO IT'S NOT A, SO WE CAN FOCUS ON THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BUILDING VERSUS A KITCHEN THAT'S VERY HARD TO, UH, MAKE HISTORIC.
WELL, I KNOW THAT, UM, ANTIQUE FIXTURES ARE AVAILABLE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, TO USE THAT.
SO, WELL, A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND PRESENTING RIGHT NOW IS NOT, UM, ABOUT FIXTURES.
SO THIS IS MAINLY ABOUT KIND OF THE CONCEPT OF THE WALLS.
UM, OUR FIRST STEP WITH THE ARCHITECT IS TO GET THE INSULATION AND THE WIRING AND THE HEATING AND COOLING IN THE HOUSE.
UM, THEN WHEN WE START GETTING TO FIXTURES AND CHAIRS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, WE'RE GONNA LET STEVE TAKE OVER.
WELL, IT, IT, IT, IT DOES, I THINK WHAT JACK IS SAYING, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE OPENNESS OF THE MIDDLE ROOM.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE DISPLACING SOME OF THE BATHROOM, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL.
SO I DON'T REMEMBER THAT YOU'RE DISPLACING SOME OF THE BATHROOM AND THEN TAKING THAT WALL PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE, THE IF TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UM, IN THAT CENTER ROOM, YOU'RE BRINGING THAT WALL OVER THAT WAY SOME.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT THE, THE SPACING IS GONNA FEEL LIKE IT'S DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, THE, IT OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONE THROUGH OTHER, UM, OTHER CHANGES OVER THE TIME.
BUT, BUT WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, THE, THE, THE THING THAT I CAN SEE IS THAT YOU DO HAVE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ADA, YOU'RE TALKING, BEING ABLE TO WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WITH A WHEELCHAIR, ANY WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING.
AND SOME OF THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT NOW, IT, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE IT EASILY ADA.
UM, SO I THINK I, I CAN SEE WHY, UM, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU, HOW YOU DEVELOP A RESTROOM, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY, YOU DON'T REALLY WANT IT TO BE CRAMPED THE OTHER WAY AROUND THIS WAY.
I, IT IS PROBABLY MORE, MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, THE WAY THE RESTROOM SHOULD BE LAID OUT.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S ADA, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 36 INCHES RATHER, YOU KNOW, TURNAROUND SPACE.
AND SO FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR REALITIES, YOU KNOW, FOR REALITY CHECK
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, AND ALSO YOU'VE GOT THE WET WALL ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND I DID HAVE ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO SHARE.
SO WE HAD SOME CONCEPTS THAT WE GOT FROM, UM, THE SWAN ARCHITECTURE, AND WE'VE BEEN HAVING LARRY'S, THIS IS A GREAT JOB FOR HIM TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE HE HAS TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT RESTROOMS AT SUNSET PARK AND POSSE GROUNDS AND, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS HISTORICAL PARK.
AND WE GET, UM, PEOPLE CAMPING OUT IN OUR RESTROOMS AND SETTING UP THEIR, THEIR LAUNDRY AND, UM, TAKING BATHS IN THE, THE SINKS AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT OUR, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR COUNCIL, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
BUT THIS IS A, UM, HISTORIC PARK AND THERE'S, WE WANT FAMILIES TO FEEL COMFORTABLE HERE.
AND SO ONE OF OUR IDEAS IS TO HAVE THESE INDIVIDUAL STALLS THAT OPEN OUT,
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OUT TO THE DOOR TO, UM, THE PARK ITSELF, THE WASH STATION.SO THIS ISN'T AN ACTUAL PLAN, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE STARTING.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET FOUR STALLS.
HE'S LOOKING AT THE SPACE WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE MAY HAVE FOUR STALLS AND PROBABLY TWO WASH STATIONS OUT IN FRONT.
AND THOSE WASH STATIONS ALSO HAVE, UH, A BOTTLE FILL AND ALSO A, A DO A DOG, UH, BOWL SO DOGS CAN DRINK.
SO, UM, THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER IDEA.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, WASH STATION OUT FRONT, AND THEN THE RESTROOM'S, UM, BACK.
AND THEN THE CHASE WILL BE BACK BEHIND THAT FOR ALL THE MECHANICAL.
AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA NOT DO GABON SIDES, LIKE WHAT'S SHOWN HERE.
WE'LL DO THE SAME WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE, UM, POTENTIALLY RIVER ROCK YEP.
COAT, AND THEN THE LAP SIDING ON IT.
AND THEN BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THE SUGGESTION WAS, IS TO GO WITH LIKE A METAL ROOFING.
SO IT SHOWS THAT IT'S NOT THE HISTORIC WITH THE ASPHALT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT A FLAT AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN CLIMB UP ON TOP
SO WE'RE GONNA DO A, A PEAKED ROOF.
SO THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, LET'S GO WITH THIS, WITH THESE INDIVIDUAL STALLS WITH THE COMMON AREA, AND MAYBE WE WON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM.
UM, PEOPLE STILL CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING IN AND OUT.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE DRAINS AND THE DIVIDERS WILL GO TO THE FLOOR AND ALL KINDS OF DETAILS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WELL, YOU JUST BROUGHT UP ANOTHER INTERESTING THING, UH, ABOUT DELINEATION OF, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF AGE, AND I KEEP LOOKING AT THIS, UM, AT THIS, UH, RENDITION FLOOR PLAN OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UM, IN THE FORMAL SPACE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, THE, THE WALL HAS BEEN BEING REMOVED.
SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DELINEATE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THAT ADDITION.
SO HOW DO WE DO THAT WITHOUT DIVIDING THAT SPACE INTO A VERY SMALL AREA? YEAH, IT, IT SHOULD HAVE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME, SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THAT WAS, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHERE THE WALL ORIGIN, BECAUSE WELL, I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE, THE MECHANICS OF, OF THE LANDMARK, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DEMANDS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DELINEATION.
YEAH, WE CAN TALK TO THE ARCHITECT ABOUT THAT.
I'M SURE HE'S RUN INTO THAT IN THE PAST.
AND WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE LEAVE, LEAVE IT STICKING OUT A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE IT LIKE A BOOKEND AND THEN PUT A PHOTO OR SOMETHING.
MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MM-HMM.
SOMETHING THERE'S, IS THAT NOW THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN ACTUALLY APPROACH IT.
WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO DO IT IN ORDER TO CONFORM.
THE, UM, SO OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE, LIKE I SAID, SODS BEING PLACED TOMORROW, VERY EXCITED.
UM, LANDSCAPING, THEY ARE MOVING FAST.
UH, THEY'RE A WEEK AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, SO THAT'LL BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, BIDDING, WE'RE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE BIDDING THE A, B, C FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND THE PARKING AREAS AND THE SHARED USE PATH, STABILIZED EEG, AND THEN THE RESTROOM DESIGN IS UNDERWAY.
THIS IS JUST THE CONCEPT THAT WE'RE STARTING WITH, UM, FOR THE HOUSE AND BARN.
SO WE'RE PRESENTING TO BOTH YOU AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THESE CONCEPTS.
UM, WE'LL GIVE YOU GUYS EVERYONE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
WE JUST ARE PRESENTING IT TO EVERYONE TODAY.
SO WE'LL, UM, ALLOW SOME TIME FOR SOME COMMENTS, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU THINK OF.
AND THEN WE'RE HOPING TO BID THIS OUT IN SPRING AT THE LATEST AND, AND GET THIS MOVING AHEAD.
THIS IS A PRIORITY TO COUNCIL.
AND SO WE'RE, UM, DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP THIS MOVING AHEAD.
WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK WITH A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS ON BREWER ROAD AND GAVE THEM AN UPDATE AS WELL ON, ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND EVERYONE'S VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE HOUSE AND BARN AND THAT IT'S BEING PRESERVED.
HAS THE BID GONE OUT YET ON THE JAVELINA
SO I GUESS WE CAN NOW GO ON TO THE DISCUSSION REGARDING WHETHER THE COMMISSION HAS AN
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ALLOWANCE AND PHELPS MECHANISM TO ISSUE HISTORIC RE RESOURCE RECOGNITION AND ASSOCIATED PLAQUE.UM, SO STEVE, YOU PROBABLY, YOU'RE PROBABLY THE GUY WITH THE INFORMATION, AM I NOT? RIGHT? I'M I'M THE GUY.
SO, UM, I WAS DIRECTED, UH, BY THE COMMISSION TO, UH, SPEAK WITH OUR ATTORNEY AND FIND OUT IF, UH, THE COMMISSION DID IN FACT HAVE THE ALLOWANCE TO ISSUE HISTORIC RESOURCE RECOGNITION, UH, AND PLAQUES.
AND ACCORDING TO, UH, MR. CHRISTIANSEN, BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE LDC THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE PERMISSION TO ISSUE SUCH.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER A FEENEY DID WRITE UP A, UH, DRAFT OF WHAT THAT, UM, MIGHT LOOK LIKE WITHIN THE LDC.
SO IF SO, UH, SO DEEMED AND, AND, UH, WANTED BY THE COMMISSION, UM, WE CAN PUT THAT AS PART OF ANY FUTURE LDC UPDATES.
WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT HAPPEN? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING TODAY ABOUT MAYBE A, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE, THE COWBOY CLUB PLAQUE FOR THE COWBOY CLUB.
AND IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE, UM, BE ACTUALLY DOING THE RIGHT THING AND DOING IT.
YOU KNOW, UM, SO DO WE HAVE AN IDEA WHEN THAT MIGHT BE? UM, I DON'T, MM-HMM.
AND, UH, WHEN THERE IS ENOUGH TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL, THEN IT GETS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
UM, YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, THREE MONTHS FROM NOW.
SO, SO WE CAN STILL GO ON AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T DO IT, OR AB ABSOLUTELY.
SHOULD WE JUST LEAVE THAT OFF FOR NOW? MY OWN FEELINGS AS YOU'VE COME THIS FAR? YEAH.
THAT TO AT LEAST HAVE A DECISION ON THAT PLAQUE SO THAT IT DOESN'T KEEP GOING DOWN THE ROAD.
SO, SO IT KEEPS, WE DON'T KEEP REVOLVING INTO THE NEXT ONE, INTO THE NEXT ONE.
ONCE IT BECOMES LEGAL AGAIN, THEN, UM, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE, ONE MOVEMENT TO MAKE THEN.
UM, JACK, DO YOU WANNA SORT OF JUMP IN HERE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT? OR, OR, I MEAN, WELL, THIS, THE GENESIS OF THIS IS, UH, IS REALLY, UM, THE MEETING THAT YOU AND I HAD WITH STEVE MM-HMM.
AND, UH, SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS MY ATTEMPT TO AT LEAST ADDRESS THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY ON THE SECOND PAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, A PROCEDURE FOR NOMINATION, THE RIGHTS OF RECIPIENTS, THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HPC CITY PROPERTY OWNER DESIGN AND CREATION OF THE PLAQUE, PRESENTATION OF THE PLAQUE AND EVENT AND PUBLICITY THAT WE'RE ALWAYS INVOLVED WITH.
I, I THINK GIVEN, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DO THAT WITH THE, THE LANDMARKS, I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD SORT OF FOLLOW THAT WE DO THAT.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON? DO WE NEED TO, DO WE NEED SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND THEN VOTE ON IT? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THAT YOU CAN JUST BRING TO THE CITY COUNCIL? I MEAN, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW DOES THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEEL ABOUT, UM, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HAVE A SAY AS TO, I KNOW THAT, THAT JACK HAS DONE A GREAT JOB BECAUSE I KNOW THAT JACK PUT TOGETHER OUR INITIAL ONE, AND THIS IS PROBABLY JUST A FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
UM, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, DOES THIS, DOES THIS NEED TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY TOO SO THAT HE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT AND ASSURE US THAT WE, THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OFF.
SO TYPICAL OF, UH, ANY LDC UPDATE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, STAFF WOULD CREATE THE, UH, THE NOMENCLATURE FOR, UM, THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT TO COUNSEL TO VERIFY, I'M SORRY, TO OUR ATTORNEY TO VERIFY THAT WE ARE WITHIN LEGAL RIGHTS OF WHAT WE'RE WRITING, AND THEN IT, IT IS THEN BROUGHT TO COUNSEL.
UM, SO THIS IS A GREAT STARTING POINT.
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UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY, ONCE WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT, IF YOU WANTED TO AGENDIZE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON A FINAL DRAFT BEFORE THAT GETS BROUGHT FORWARD.I, I THINK WE, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE, AM I NOT CORRECT IN THAT, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INSTITUTE AND WE MIGHT AS WELL MM-HMM.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THAT.
SO, UM, AND WE REALLY NEED, UM, YOUR, UM, NOMENCLATURE IN THE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROCEDURES FOR NOMINATION AND SO FORTH.
THESE WERE JUST IDEAS THAT I THOUGHT WOULD HELP HELP US CONFORM WITH THE LANDMARKING MM-HMM.
AND, UH, SO WE NEED TO FILL THOSE INFILL, THOSE THINGS.
AND IT MIGHT BE THAT, UM, WE AGAIN HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, SO, MM-HMM.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK I'M, I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS.
I'M GLAD WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT WHAT IT IS IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF WHAT THE CITY WOULD EXPECT.
UM, SO, UM, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT JACK BROUGHT IT BACK UP AGAIN.
AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU SPOKE TO THE, THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY KNOW WHICH DIRECTION WE'RE GOING WITH EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
NOW, A, A QUESTION, UH, THAT INVOLVES KIND OF THE LOGISTICS OF THIS THING IN TERMS OF ITS MOVEMENT.
UH, WHEN DO YOU NORMALLY, UH, DO THE AMENDMENTS? THERE IS NO SET TIMELINE ON AMENDMENTS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE AS A DEPARTMENT, AS, AS WE GO THROUGH OUR NORMAL DAILY ROUTINES, UH, EITHER UH, DOING PLAN REVIEW OR, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, AND WE SEE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE CONFLICTING WITH WHAT'S IN THE CODE OR SOMETHING THAT WE THINK MIGHT WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN WITHIN THE CODE.
WE HAVE A RUNNING LIST FOR THAT.
SO, UM, IT'S WHEN WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT WHERE WE HAVE ENOUGH, WE MAKE IT, UH, WORTH THE COUNCIL'S, UH, TIME TO PRESENT, THEN, UH, THEN WE'LL BRING IT FORTH.
WE JUST, UM, FAIRLY RECENTLY, MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAY PROBABLY ABOUT TWO MONTHS DOWN OR TWO TO THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.
WELL THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DOES BOB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? UM, WELL, I, I THINK WE CAN THEN GO ON TO DISCUSSION, PALABLE ACTION ON IMPROVING THE FINAL DESIGN FOR THE HISTORIC RESOURCE RECOGNITION PLAQUE FOR THE COWBOY CLUB.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS WAS SENT OUT TO ALL OF US, AND, UM, I THINK, UM, I THINK IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS GREAT TO ME.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE COMMENTS ON, JUST AS A MATTER OF, OF PROCEDURE? UM, DID, MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THIS THING TO BEGIN WITH
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER STEP FOR ANOTHER TIME.
BECAUSE ONCE WE, ONCE WE, ONCE EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH WITH THE CITY, THEN WE, THIS CAN ACTUALLY BE PICKED UP AND ACTUALLY GONE WITH BEFORE ANOTHER MEETING OF THE COMMISSION.
AM I NOT RIGHT WITH THAT? RIGHT.
UH, ONE IS YOU COULD TABLE IT, UH, UNTIL WE FIND OUT THAT UNTIL THE ALLOWANCE IS PLACED WITHIN THE LDCI DON'T.
THE SECOND IS IT'S ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.
IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE.
YOU COULD DISCUSS AND APPROVE WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THAT APPROVAL IS ONLY PENDING, UH, APPROVAL OF, UH, UH, CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF AMENDMENTS TO ALLOW OKAY.
THE, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AND A ACTUALLY TOO THOUGH, I THINK, I THINK IF WE HAVE IT ALREADY SET THEN TOO, IF WE CAN POSSIBLY DO IT WITHIN THE TIME LIMITS OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS FISCAL YEAR, THEN WE CAN KEEP THE COST OF THAT WITHIN THE TIME LIMITS OF THIS FISCAL YEAR INSTEAD OF IT SLIPPING INTO THE NEXT
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ONE AND THEN POSSIBLY NOT ALLOWING US TO DO ANOTHER ONE IF, IF, IF THE MONEY GETS TIGHT.UM, SO, UM, DO WE HAVE, DO, SHOULD WE, UH, SHOULD WE HAVE A NOT MOTION AS TO, UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE OAK CREE TAVER AND MARKET, UM, HIS HISTORIC, UM, UH, RECOGNITION PLAQUE? UM, DOES SOMEBODY WANNA PUT THAT FORWARD FOR, FOR ME? BEFORE WE DO THAT, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO BOB FOR, UH, YEAH.
AND, AND, UM, I HAVE ONE EDIT I WOULD FURTHER LIKE TO SUGGEST, AND THAT IS THAT THE, THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM LOGO REALLY JUST NEEDS TO OVERWHELM THE WHOLE THING.
THAT'S WHY YOU GAVE IT TO THEM.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY.
SO, SO ARE YOU SAYING THE APPLE HAS TO BE READ? UM, SO, UM, NO.
IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, THANK BOB.
UM, SO DOES SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION FOR ME? SURE.
DO WE NEED TO REPEAT THAT MOTION, DONNA? YOU WANNA TRY TO REPEAT IT?
THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL PROCESS.
THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL PROCESS.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ARE WE OKAY WITH IT? AND THEN, UH, A VOTE.
THOSE OPPOSED? IT'S UNANIMOUS.
WELL, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU, BOB.
THAT IS, IT IS REALLY, UM, REALLY A LOVELY, A LOVELY, UM, PIECE.
AND IT WAS, I KNOW THAT WAS HARD FOUGHT
UM, COULD YOU LABEL ONE OF THOSE, UH, EXAMPLES AS EXHIBIT A SO WE CAN MAKE THAT A PART OF THE MEETING MINUTES? OKAY.
DO WE NEED TO, SO WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT YOU JUST APPROVED.
NOW WHAT DO YOU NEED ME, YOU'VE GOT ONE THERE, DONNA.
WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING PROPERLY THAT'S, WE'RE DOING.
SO D DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING THE FINAL DESIGN OF THE HPC LOGO.
AGAIN, I WANNA THANK, UM, I, I, I DO, WE HAVE EVERYTHING HERE.
I I HAVE THEM JUST DID YOU, DID ANYBODY PASS THOSE OUT? 'CAUSE I'VE GOT THEM HERE.
UM, THEY WERE PART OF THE EMAIL PACKET.
YEAH, THEY WERE PART OF THE EMAIL PACKET.
AND AGAIN, I WANNA THANK BOB BECAUSE BOB WAS THE ONE THAT CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA.
THIS WILL BE USED IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE CITY LOGO.
AM I NOT CORRECT? IS THAT HOW IT'S GONNA WORK? SO IT WILL, I I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.
SO IT'LL APPEAR MAYBE ON LIKE LANDMARKING PLAQUES MOVING FORWARD OR THE, THE, UH, HISTORIC RESOURCE PROGRAM PLAQUES.
IS THAT THE INTENTION OR, I ACTUALLY HAVE A COPY ALSO THAT HAS THE, OH, LOOK AT THAT.
THAT'S NOT, I SUPPOSE THAT'S WHY THAT GAP IS THERE.
THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING ANY BIGGER
THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T BE ANY BIGGER
AND OF COURSE IT'LL ALL IT, IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA TOO, UH, LOGO.
BUT THAT, I THINK IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIMPLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S UM, IT'S EASILY READ.
I MEAN, SO MANY TIMES LOGOS AREN'T, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON IT? WELL, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, DO ALL OF THESE CONFORM TO CITY OF SEDONA, UM, UH, STANDARDS FOR, FOR LOGOS AND COLORS AND HOW THEY'RE USED AND THAT KIND OF STUFF? 'CAUSE I'M, I'M SURE THERE'S A BRAND STANDARD.
I DID, UH, PRESENT THE FIRST ROUND OF, UH, EXAMPLES TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND, UH, LAURA IN THE HEAD DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OKAY.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA APPROVE ANYTHING WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING.
SHE'S GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, AH, NO, I KNOW.
WHY DID YOU DO THAT? AND QUITE, AND QUITE
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HONESTLY, UM, IF YOU'RE APPROVING SOMETHING TONIGHT, IT WOULD BE, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY THINK SUBJECT TO COLOR AS WELL.AND RIGHT NOW THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE, UH, IS BLACK AND WHITE.
AH, AND WE ALSO, HE'S ALWAYS PREPARED.
SEE WE DO HAVE THE BROWN ONES TOO.
SO, UM, WELL, I, I, I, I PERSONALLY LIKE THE BROWN ONE.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO, IF WE TRY TO FO FOLLOW THE COLORS THAT ARE IN THE CITY OF SEDONAS REGULAR LOGO, I THINK WE'LL GET LOST IN IT.
I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY WANT TO GO, UM, THAT MULTICOLOR.
NO, I SHOULD COMPLIMENT IT, BUT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DID CONFORMS WITH BRAND STANDARDS THAT THE CITY HAS, SO THAT THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, USE IT
AND, UM, AND I LIKE USING EXAMPLE ONE, UH, BECAUSE IT DEFINES WHAT HPC IS.
AND, UH, AND I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT SHOULD LOOK EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS ON HERE.
WELL, I LIKE WHAT'S THE OTHER TIER? UM, I LIKE THE WAY THEY'RE LINKED TOGETHER ON IT.
EXAMPLE ONE B, IT'S EXAMPLE WE, WELL SEE, IT'S NOT ONE B, IT'S ONE WHICH IS, EXAMPLE IS EXAMPLE TWO B.
ACTUALLY IT'S EXAMPLE TWO B ON ON THE, THE, UH, ADDITIONAL, THE ONES THAT ARE BROWN THAT WE, THAT WERE HANDED OUT.
IT WILL BE EXAMPLE TWO B IN THE ONE IN THE ADDITIONAL ONES THAT WERE HANDED OUT, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME ONE THAT'S ON THE, UM, ON THE, THE, THE APPROVED PLAQUES.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF EXAMPLE ONES FLOATING AROUND.
SO IT'S, IF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT UP HERE FOR STAFF IS THIS SHEET THAT HAS THE, THE THREE ON THERE WITH THE, WITH THE LINK THING, BUT ALSO SAYS CITY OF SEDONA OVER THE TOP AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
SO THAT'S THE DOCUMENT TO WHICH WE'RE SAYING EXAMPLE ONE.
AND THEN IN THE, IN THE BROWN COLOR RATHER THAN IN BLACK AND WHITE, YOU WANTED AS EXAMPLE ONE WHERE THERE'S THREE OF THEM, BUT YOU WANT IT IN THE BROWN.
HAVE YOU CHOSEN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE THREE? WELL, MY CHOICE WOULD BE, WELL, IT'S, IT IS, UM, HERE, DO HERE WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE CHECK IT OFF? I'LL CHECK IT OFF HERE.
AND ON HERE, BECAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S LABELED AS EXAMPLE ONE.
BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE THREE EXAMPLES ON THAT SHEET.
AND THEN BASICALLY IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE BROWN ONE, IT'S ACTUALLY ENDS UP BEING EXAMPLE TWO B IN THE BROWN.
BUT BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S IT'S EXAMPLE ONE IN THE, AND THOSE THREE WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA BROWN.
I THINK YOU'RE CONFUSING HER BRINGING THIS INTO IT.
I WOULD THAT YEAH, LET'S JUST DO THAT.
DO YOU WANT EXAMPLE ONE IN BLACK OR IN BROWN? IN BROWN.
IT FEELS, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S SEPIA.
WHICH ACTUALLY WORKS OUT, I THINK, VERY NICELY.
I THINK THAT'S, DO YOU WANT THE WORDING? I MEAN, YOU HAVE THREE EXAMPLES OF HOW THE WORDING COULD BE PUT ON.
I NEED TO, IF YOU, IF YOU PICK ACTUALLY MADAM CHAIR, COULD YOU JUST, UH, TAKE A STRAW VOTE AND THEN OKAY.
WHICH ONES DO, WHY DOESN'T EVERYBODY, HE'S DOING A STRAW VOTE.
SO DO EVERYBODY WANNA JUST MARK THE ONE? OR PROCEDURALLY ARE WE ABLE TO TAKE A STRAW VOTE? I'M NOT SURE THAT'S, I DUNNO.
WE PROCEDURALLY MAKE A MOTION TO, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S, WELL, LET'S MAKE A MO WE DO NEED TO PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION ANYWAY.
SO DOES, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE I THINK I LIKE IT WITH, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT IS WITH, WITH EVERYTHING SORT OF INSTEAD OF CURVING AROUND IT.
IT'S, IT'S, AND IT'S EASIER, MORE EASILY RED, I THINK.
ESPECIALLY THE PROBLEM IS SO OFTEN WHEN YOU START GETTING SMALLER, WHICH IT'LL BE USED IN A SMALLER WAY AND THEN IN A BIGGER WAY, WHEN YOU START GETTING SMALLER AND YOU DO THOSE CURVE THINGS, IT'S MUCH HARDER TO READ.
AND SO I THINK THAT, THAT THE, THE, THE ONE THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN IS THE FIRST ONE IN BROWN AND
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SIA COLOR INSTEAD OF, UH, BLACK, BUTSO DOES SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THAT?
UM, WELL, I GUESS I CAN, I DON'T, I USUALLY THE CHAIR DOES NOT MAKE A MOTION.
SO ONE OF YOU THREE IS GONNA HAVE TO DO IT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
I'M MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT EXAMPLE ONE THAT IS DEPICTED WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA ON TOP AND THEN TWO LINES BELOW THE HPC LOGO ITSELF THAT SAY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IN A COLOR, BROWN OR SEPIA.
DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT THEN I GUESS
WELL, HE, I THINK HE FEELS LIKE HE, HE DESIGNED IT SO HE CAN'T SAY, OH, THAT'S WHY I FIGURED OUT ABOUT SECOND IT ONE
SO ALL THOSE IN FA ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ARE WE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING? MM-HMM.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? IT'S PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO THERE WE GOT, WE GOT, WE GOT SOME THINGS DONE TODAY, GUYS.
UM, LET ME GET MY, MY THING BACK SO I KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR, OH GOD, I GOT TOO MANY PIECES OF PAPER HERE.
SO NOW, SO WE, WE, SO WE'RE ON TO E DISCUSSION OF WHAT WE LEARNED BY ATTENDING THE COMMISSION OF AT THE STATE HPC CONFERENCE HELD OCTOBER 25TH.
I WAS REALLY SORRY THAT, THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE YOU HERE, NATE.
UM, IT, IT, IT, IT WAS ACTUALLY, I I'M GONNA GO THROUGH SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE I THINK, UM, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE, UM, THE WOMAN WHO ACTUALLY, UM, IS NOW HEAD OF THE CLG, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE, THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UM, FOR SHIPPO.
UM, SHE'S MORE THAN WILLING TO COME UP AND, AND GIVE US A RUN THROUGH.
UM, AND I THINK WE REALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR US TO DO THAT.
SHE ALSO WANTS TO COME UP AND SEE THE PARK
SHE'S, SHE'S SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
SO IT'S A SORT OF A NICE DUO THING.
BUT IT WAS SORT OF INTERESTING THIS TIME.
AND I, WE, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN RECENTLY IS THAT THEY SPEAK A LOT MORE ABOUT ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT IN CLG, WHICH THEY'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE, WAS, UH, THE CLG SITES WITHIN CITY LIMITS, UM, OR WITHIN, UH, YOU KNOW, AN AREA THAT, THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, UH, DICTATED BY THE CITY BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW, HOW ACTUALLY TOURISM IS NOW AFFECTING ALL OF US.
AND OF COURSE THE CITY OF SEDONA IS LOOKING AT TOURISM TOO, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY, THEY, UM, THEY ACTUALLY, FOR ANY OF THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES THAT THEY ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO TO, OFTENTIMES IT HAS TO BE, UM, IT HAS TO BE LED ANY, ANY TOURING OF IT HAS TO BE LED BY AN INDIVIDUAL.
AND IT CANNOT BE JUST, ANYBODY CAN ACTUALLY GO UP TO IT.
NOW WE HAVE TALKED TO THE, UM, THE, THE NATIVE AMERICAN, UH, TRIBES HERE, AND THEY HAVE ALL SAID THAT THEY REALLY DON'T WANT US TO RECOGNIZE ANY OF THEIR, UM, ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID THEY'LL DISAPPEAR BECAUSE WITHIN THIS CITY, IT'S TOO HARD TO, FOR US TO ACTUALLY HIDE THEM.
YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE START POINTING THEM OUT, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY BE OVERRUN BY A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THEY'LL LOSE THE, ANY OF THE CONTEXT OF IT AND ANY OF, AND, AND IT JUST IS AGAINST ANY OF THEIRS.
BUT THEY, ANY, ANY OF THEIR, UM, UH, UH, DESIRES TO SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN LIKE THAT.
SO THE REALITY IS I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE DOING, BUT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING LISTENING TO THEM AND, AND FINDING OUT HOW, UM, AND, AND DIFFERENT COUNTIES ACTUALLY, HOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T, THEY, THEY'RE EVEN HIDING THEM BY PLANTING AROUND THEM SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THEM JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING ALL THESE, BUT THEY, BUT IT, IT, IT WAS, UH, AND, AND, UM, AND, AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT CAME UP THIS TIME THAT I'VE NEVER HEARD THEM REALLY TALK ABOUT MUCH ON THE CLG LEVEL.
UM, THEY ALSO WERE SAYING THAT THEY, UH, IN TUCSON, THEY'VE MADE THE DECISION TO PUT A HOLD ON DEMOLITION OF ANY PROPERTY THAT IS 50 YEARS OR OLDER.
UM, THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR THEN DECIDE ON TEAR DOWNS.
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THAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT HAVE BUILDINGS ALL OF A SUDDEN DISAPPEAR ON THEM.SO, UM, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY HAVE A CHECKLIST.
IF A BUILDING IS 50 YEARS OLD AND YOU SEE IT, UM, THAT, THAT IT COMES UP FOR DEMOLITION, IT HAS TO GO, IT GOES TO THE CITY, AND THE CITY LOOKS AT IT BEFORE THEY ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN, AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY HOLD IT FOR UP TO A YEAR.
SOME OF THE CITIES ARE DOING IT SO THEY CAN HOLD IT UP TO A YEAR BEFORE IT'S DEMOLISHED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA DO THAT NECESSARILY, BUT, UM, IT'S, AND IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY HOMES THAT ARE COMING UP TO THE 50 YEAR HERE AND THEY'RE COMING UP EVERYWHERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU TRACK IT THAT TIGHTLY.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE A, A LIST OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE KEPT, BUT I THINK TRYING TO, TO STAY AHEAD OF IT WITH THE SIZE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND ALSO THE SIZE OF THE CITY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT IT'S SORT OF INTERESTING THAT IT ACTUALLY, WHAT, WHAT IS ALSO INTERESTING TO ME IS THAT IT GOES IN FRONT OF THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY DO THE TEAR DOWN.
I THINK IT DOES BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GOES TO HBC AND, UM, AND TUCSON, WHICH IS SORT OF AN INTERESTING THING.
BUT, UM, THEY, THEY ALSO WERE TALKED A BIT ABOUT DEMOLITION BECAUSE OF NEGLECT AND, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILDINGS YOU HAVE LANDMARKED, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO KEEP UP WITH, ARE, ARE BEING WATCHED AFTER, AND THAT THEY DON'T GO INTO A CONDITION THAT THEY ALMOST HAVE TO BE, UM, DEMOLISHED BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN SUCH BAD CONDITION.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO BE GOING OUT AND, AND PERIODICALLY CHECKING ON THE LANDMARKS.
AND EVEN THE ONES THAT WE HAVEN'T LANDMARKED, BUT THAT HAVE BEEN SURVEYED AND WE THINK ARE, ARE POSSIBLE, POSSIBLE FOR RECOGNITION IN THAT RESPECT, WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE DOING THAT EITHER, EITHER AS A GROUP OR INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF ZONING IN TUCSON, AND I NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH IN IT.
AND IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE IN TERMS OF HISTORIC ZONING.
THEY HAVE AN H-P-C-H-P-Z AND AN MPZ.
I DON'T REALLY QUITE UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT TERRIBLY CLEAR.
UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL EVER FIND A TIME WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THE OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE TO AGREE TO IT.
AND IT'S WITH THE KIND OF, UH, ENVIRONMENT WE HAVE HERE, IT'S REALLY ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
THEY CAN BE A NON-CONTENTIOUS.
SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE SORT OF SEPARATE, BUT IT THEN HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE MORE AWKWARD AND A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PUT A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT INTO IT.
UM, LET'S SEE NOW, AND I, AS I SAID, ARIANA URBAN IS, UH, THE HEAD OF CLG FOR SHIPPO NOW.
AND WHAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO IS FIND A TIME THAT SHE CAN COME UP AND ACTUALLY GIVE US A RUNDOWN, BECAUSE WHAT SHE DID DO AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT EACH OF US GOT, UM, WAS THIS BOOK, WHICH IS, I'M GONNA, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I THINK I'M GONNA ASK THEM IF I CAN GET ONE FOR THE CITY, BUT IF, BUT I'M ALSO THINKING RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO TAKE PARTS OF THIS AND SCAN IT AND SEND IT TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION SO THAT THEY HAVE IT FOR THEIR RECORDS TOO.
SO WHAT I'M, AND I WILL SEND IT TO THE CITY TOO.
THIS HAS, IT, IT'S, IT'S A VERY, IT'S VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
UM, AND IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GUIDE TO, UM, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
THEY HAVE SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT I PROBABLY WON'T SCAN, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT BECAUSE THEY DID SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE, THE CLG, UM, UH, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND SOME OF THE THINGS, UM, AND, AND THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCES.
AND BASICALLY THEY TALK TOO ABOUT THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND ALSO HISTORICAL BUILDINGS, WHETHER THEY'RE LANDMARKED OR WHETHER THEY'RE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND WHAT THAT, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT MEANS.
SO I, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO THAT.
THE, THE MORE IMPORTANT PIECES OF THIS I'LL GET OUT AND I, I'M GONNA ASK THEM, AND IF THEY SAY NO, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SHOULD BE LIVING IN THE CITY OR NOT IN THIS, IN THE CITY'S RECORDS, BECAUSE THIS IS VERY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS VERY INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND MAYBE IMPORTANT, EVERY YEAR THEY SEEM TO HAND THESE OUT.
SO I THINK WHAT I'LL, I MIGHT DO IS ASK ARIANA IF WE CAN GET ONE THAT WOULD LIVE IN THE CITY, AND THEN I'LL HAVE ONE TOO THAT I CAN PASS BACK AND FORTH IF ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT IT.
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THERE'S, I SEE.NO PROBLEM WITH US ADDING THAT TO OUR LIBRARY.
UM, ALSO IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, SO AS TO NOT RUN A FILE OF MEETING LAWS, UH, YOU CAN SEND THOSE COPIES OR THOSE I'LL SEND IT TO YOU.
AND, AND THEN YOU CAN SEND IT OUT.
THAT'S WHAT I PLANNED ON DOING SO THAT EVERYBODY I KNEW THAT YEAH,
BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S WORTH A REMINDER.
UM, THEN THE NEXT SECTION, UM, WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, TOURISM AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE FACT THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE NEED TO BE TELLING A STORY.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT BOB WAS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE, ON, IN, IN, UH, IN THE, THE FOREST SERVICE BUILDINGS.
BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF ACTUALLY SAVING THE BUILDINGS IS THAT YOU GIVE A CONTEXT OF WHAT IT IS AND YOU GIVE, YOU GIVE THE HISTORY OF WHAT IT IS.
AND I THINK WE WANT TO, AS SOON AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN, WHATEVER WE DO WITH THESE, THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THE, THE FOREST SERVINGS BUILDINGS, WE NEED TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE THEY WERE SAYING THAT THAT MANY PEOPLE TRAVEL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY TO SEE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, AND THEY WOULD, THEY, THE, THE PROBLEM IS THEY GET THERE AND IT'S MAYBE A SHELL OF THE BUILDING AND THEN NOTHING ELSE, AND THERE'S NO CONTEXT TO WHAT IT IS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING, I MEAN, MAYBE ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS JUST THINKING IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THOSE GLASS DOORS, IF WE ACTUALLY TOOK THE GLASS DOORS AND PUT, PUT A PHOTOGRAPH OF MAYBE THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY STANDING THERE AND YOU PULL THE DOORS SHUT AND YOU COULD GET A FEEL FOR, FOR, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THEY DO THAT VERY MUCH IN EUROPE, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY GIVE YOU AN IMPRESSION OF WHAT THE PEOPLE WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE IN THE AREAS.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT DOING, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE TELLING A STORY ABOUT ALL THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, UH, AND THEN THEY TALKED ALSO ABOUT, UH, RECONSTRUCTION AND PRESERVATION AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND HOW CAREFUL WE HAVE TO BE WHEN WE'RE RECONSTRUCTING AS TO NOT, UM, SLIP INTO SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING AN ADDITION THAT ISN'T REALLY PART OF IT, BUT LOOKS LIKE IT, PART OF IT, AND THEN YOU LOSE IT BECAUSE IT NO, IT IS TOO MUCH OF A, A COMBINATION OF THINGS AND NOT REALLY THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
SO THEY, AGAIN, THEY TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY, UM, TALKED A LOT ABOUT DOING OTHER KINDS OF HIKES OR WALKS FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO SEE DIFFERENT PARTS.
WHAT OURS WOULD BE PROBABLY WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK IT SORT OF FITS IN WITH WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF DOING THE, UM, THE RECOGNIZED, UH, UH, OF, UH, PROPERTIES WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A WALK TO BETWEEN THINGS BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY SAY IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC EYE, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THERE'S HISTORY TO ALL OF THESE THINGS.
SO, UM, AND IF WE DID, IF YOU DO WALKS IN, IN WHICHEVER WAY, THEY WERE TALKING MOSTLY ABOUT, AGAIN, THEY, THEY, THEY WENT BACK TO A LOT OF THE, UM, NATIVE AMERICAN THINGS THAT THEY WERE TA YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE THAT HAPPENS.
BUT I CAN, BUT THEY WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CITY, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE'RE DOING SOME OF THOSE THINGS HERE.
UM, WELL, THEY, AND THEY DID, THEY TOOK A, THEY TOOK A BUNCH OF TIMES AND TALKED ABOUT LAKE MONTEZUMA AND TU AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THERE, AND THE RECOGNITION OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WE CAN TIE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT TOO, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY THAT WE HAVE HERE, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE, THE, THE, THE, WHEN PEOPLE COME TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THAT WE SORT OF FEED INTO IT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS HERE THAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ACTUALLY NEED TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT TOO.
UM, AND THEN WE, THERE WAS A WHOLE SESSION, AND I THINK I'M GONNA SORT OF NOT GET INTO THIS VERY MUCH BECAUSE THEY DID A WHOLE SESSION ON TAX CREDITS AND ALSO ON, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS, WE'VE ALWAYS GONE AFTER THE THINGS THAT AREN'T BRICK AND MORTAR, UM, GRANTS AND, AND, AND MONIES.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF BRICKS AND MORTAR THINGS NOW THAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO PROBABLY TALK TO THE CITY COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, OR I KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE TO DO THE GRANTS AND DO THAT, DO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THOSE THINGS.
ARE THEY NOT DOING THAT? SO PICK ME, PICK ME.
UM, SO ACTUALLY SANDY, UH, AND MYSELF AND SOME OTHERS ARE, UH, RESEARCHING A GRANT RIGHT NOW.
AND SANDY'S ALREADY, UH, CONTACTED THE GRANT AGENCY, UH, TO TRY TO GET SOME GRANT MONIES FOR THE
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INTERIOR BUILD OUTS OF BOTH THE HOUSE AND, AND THE BARN.AND IT, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF INTERESTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WERE, AND, AND THIS AGAIN GOES BACK TO BOB
SO THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CHARACTER OF WHATEVER IT WAS, IS MAINTAINED AND IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN ORDER TO GET THE MONEY.
UM, BY THE WAY, IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING THAT, SHIPPO WILL, YOU CAN SEND THINGS DOWN AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY CONTACT THEM AND THEY WILL HELP YOU, YOU, YOU, AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY'LL GUIDE YOU THROUGH IT.
IN THE REAL, THE REALITY IS YOU CAN, EVEN, EVEN IN A, A REGULAR HOUSE, IF YOU HAVE A REGULAR HOME THAT YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY SAVE SOME OF THE HISTORIC PARTS OF, AND IT'S, AND IT'S ON THE, ON THE REGISTRY AND IT'S, OR, AND IT'S LANDMARK, THEY WILL ACTUALLY HELP YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU DOT ALL THE, I'S ACROSS ALL THE T'S AND YOU GET THROUGH.
AND, AND SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO THEM BECAUSE THEY, THEY, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S AN IMPORTANT, UM, FOR THEM, THEY FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO, TO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH IT.
IN, IN THE LATEST, UM, BULLETIN FROM THE ARIZONA HERITAGE FUND, UM, THEY HAVE A PROGRAM NOW THAT THEY CALL, UM, IT'S MINI GRANTS.
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT UM, IF YOU CONTINUE TO ASK FOR 'EM, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET 'EM.
AND, AND THEY, THEY, THEY ALSO HAVE ONES THAT GO UP TO LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR MORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT THERE, BUT, BUT THEY, BUT SHIPPO REALIZED THAT CHIPO IS WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU, POINT YOU IN THE DIRECTION OF WHICH ONES THEY THINK YOU CAN GET.
SO YOU, YOU PROBABLY WANNA GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM 'CAUSE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN, THEY, THEY WILL BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL, I THINK.
AND YEAH, THEY, YEAH, AND THEY WERE SAYING THEY DO, UH, TAX CREDITS, THEY DO ALSO DO TAX CREDITS SO THAT WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING MONEY TO FOR, I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, LANDMARKING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE KIVA HOUSE, WE COULD GO THROUGH IT AND PROBABLY SEE IF WE CAN GET IT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
THEY CAN THEN GO AND GET GOVERNMENT GRANTS, EVEN IF IT'S A HOUSE.
UM, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE, THOSE GO, THOSE, THOSE ARE ABOUT $5,000.
BUT THEY CAN ALSO GO UP TO, IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ROOF 25,000 OR MORE THAN THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY WORTH GOING TO THESE THINGS.
I KNOW STEVE WENT TO ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT THINGS THAN I DID.
UM, AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SORT OF COVERING THE SAME THING.
SO HE PROBABLY IS GONNA HAVE SOME THINGS THAT HE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, THAT HE WAS EXCITED ABOUT WHEN HE, WHEN HE WAS THERE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS, IT, IT'S, IT'S WELL WORTH, UM, GOING TO THESE THINGS.
SO, AND IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT IN PRESCOTT, I, I IMPRESSED ON YOU GUYS.
BUT I WILL, I WILL ALSO, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TALK TO THEM.
THEY MAY HAVE THIS ALREADY SCANNED INTO SOMETHING, SO I'M GONNA TALK TO ARIANA AND SEE IF SHE HAS IT SCANNED, AND THEN I CAN JUST PICK IT UP AND SEND IT TO YOU AND THEN YOU CAN GET IT TO EVERYBODY.
SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ENOUGH FOR THAT.
NOW WHERE ARE WE? I THINK WE'RE ALMOST AT THE END HERE, AREN'T WE? ARE WE READY TO GO HOME?
UM, SO, OKAY, THE, SO THEN FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MONDAY, DECEMBER 11TH.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T, THAT'S GETTING CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO, DO YOU THINK, UM, DONNA, WE SHOULD PROBABLY SEND OUT TO EVERYBODY.
I KNOW I'M GONNA BE AROUND, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE.
DO YOU WANT US TO, I MEAN, WE, NOT ALL OF US HAVE OUR CALENDARS HERE, SO YOU WANT TO SORT OF LET US KNOW THAT THAT'S THE DATE? OR DOES ANYBODY, IS ANYBODY GONNA, DO YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA BE GONE? I THINK WE'VE TYPICALLY NOT HELD A MEETING IN DECEMBER.
SEE THAT'S WHAT USUALLY IT'S, WE WAITED UNTIL JANUARY BECAUSE IT USUALLY
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IS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD.DOES ANYBODY, WHAT DOES ANYBODY HERE THINK? I MEAN, ARE WE, UH, ARE, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT WILL WE LOSE BY NOT DOING A DECEMBER MEETING, DO YOU THINK? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY PRESSING BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF.
I THINK WE COULD, UH, SKIP DECEMBER, UH, SKIP DECEMBER AND GO TO JANUARY.
I THINK SO TOO, BECAUSE I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE THAT ARE, THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN YOUR, IN YOUR LAP
UM, SO I THINK MAYBE IF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, YOU KNOW, PASS ON US BEING ABLE TO USE THE, UM, THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM.
SO I THINK MAYBE INSTEAD OF PUSHING IT AND HAVING YOU GUYS DO A MEETING IN, IN DECEMBER, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY PRESSING.
I WOULD LIKE TO AT ONE POINT HAVE A MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA BE THE WRONG TIME OF YEAR TO DO IT TOO.
BETWEEN BUDGET AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATES AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT WOULD BE PRETTY TOUGH TO FIND A, A SCOTT, YOU KNOW, EARLY IN DECEMBER.
MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO HAVE THAT LITTLE EDUCATION SESSION.
IF SHE CAN COME UP, WOULD THAT, THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO HOLD IT.
IS THAT SOME, OH, I DON'T KNOW.
SHE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS SHE TOLD ME.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT WAS EITHER NOVEMBER OR JANUARY
BUT MAYBE WHAT I'LL DO IS GET IN TOUCH WITH HER AND SEE IF SHE CAN DO IT FOR OUR JANUARY MEETING.
UM, SO MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, HUH? YES.
UH, IF I MAY, SINCE WE'RE ON, UH, THE DISCUSSION OF, UH, FUTURE MEETINGS, THE SECOND MONDAY IN JANUARY WOULD BE JANUARY 8TH.
SO LET'S, LET'S PUT THAT ON OUR CALENDARS.
AND IF ANYBODY HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, IF YOU GET, YOU GET YOUR, UM, I'M PRETTY SURE I'M FINE ON JANUARY 8TH, BUT IF ANYBODY GETS ACTUALLY, UH, FINDS THAT THEY HAVE A, A PROBLEM WITH JANUARY 8TH, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD LET US KNOW RIGHT AWAY.
AM I NOT CORRECT, DONNA? SO WE'RE JUST NOTING CANCELLATION OF DECEMBER 11TH AND YOUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE JANUARY 8TH.
SO, YEAH, I THINK YOU GOT THE MESSAGE.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE, I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
AND I'VE GOT SEVERAL COPIES OF THE SAME THING.
I THINK I GOT IT HERE AND I, 'CAUSE I GOT IT.
I GOTTA MAKE THE, THE, THE ENDING STATEMENT THE RIGHT WAY AND I PRINT IT ON THERE SO THAT I DON'T SAY WHAT I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY OR I DO SAY WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO SAY, ONE OR THE OTHER.
IT'S, UM, LET'S SEE, WHERE IS IT? IT'S GOTTA BE RIGHT HERE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
IS IT? DID I PUT IT OVER THERE? THANK YOU, BROTHER
OH, WELL, I GUESS THAT'S THE END OF THE MEETING TO BE TEMPORARY CHAIR TO ADJOURN MEETING.
WHERE, WHERE IS IT? THAT'S WHAT I, WE, WE JUST NEED TO GET OUTTA HERE.
TELL ME HOW I NEED TO SAY IT, DONNA, BECAUSE THAT'S, I CAN'T FIND MY PAPER.
THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT SUCH AND SUCH.
THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT FIVE 20 IN THE EVENING.
AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING.