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WITH THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE THE TAP. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN SPEAKING POINTS OUT. 
          WELCOME, EVERYBODY'S. 
          CAN WE HAVE SOME QUIET IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, PLEASE? LET'S TRY TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN TO GET SOME AIR CIRCULATION. 
          'CAUSE IT'S GONNA GET HOT WITH ALL EVERYBODY HERE. 
          OH. 
          SO, UM, NOTES, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
TO ORDER AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER DOUBT IN THIS LIBERTY JUSTICE ROLE FOR ALL. 
          IT'S THE LAST TIME WE TO SPEAK. 
          I'M IN THE, OKAY. 
          WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. 
          A MOMENT TO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          MYSELF INCLUDED. 
          PLEASE TURN, SILENCE ALL YOUR PHONES. 
          SO THIS IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A WORK SESSION AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP THE MEETING MOVING FORWARD. 
          UH, SO WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE, DO SOME CHANGES TO A NORMAL MEETING, AND I WANT TO ASK THE COUNCIL IF THEY AGREE THAT WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION FIRST. 
          AND THEN, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE, AND IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE LEAVE, AND I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY FEEL FRUSTRATED. 
          THEY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SHARE THEIR OPINIONS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THOSE OPINIONS FIRST BEFORE COUNCIL GIVES OUR QUESTIONS TO STAFF. 
          OKAY? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT AGREEABLE? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF CARDS ON YOUR MIC, PLEASE, ON YOUR, ON YOUR MIC, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF CARDS, IF THERE ARE ALL LOT OF CARDS, THREE MINUTES IS TOO LONG. 
          WE HAVE TO CUT IT SHORT. 
          UH, I'M GOING TO KEEP IT AT THREE MINUTES. 
          I KNOW YOU SAY NO, BUT US IS, YOU KNOW, HEARNEY, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE LET CONTINUE. 
          IN THE PAST, CAN WE DO OUR BUSINESS HERE WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED? THANK YOU. 
          IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF CARDS, THAT WOULD'VE TAKEN TWO OR THREE HOURS. 
          WE HAVE. 
          IF, IF THERE'S NO FEEL, IF THERE'S A FEELING THAT IT'S UNTENABLE TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST SAYING RIGHT. 
          THAT IN THE PAST, THAT'S BEEN DONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND I DID IT SINCE I'VE BEEN MARRIED ONCE AND I ACTUALLY REGRETTED DOING IT BECAUSE I FELT PEOPLE WERE NOT GETTING THEIR TIME TO SPEAK. 
          SO I'M GONNA KEEP, UNLESS COUNCIL SEES OTHERWISE. 
          WELL, I'M SURE THEY DON'T  WELL, I, I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UH, SO EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THEIR THREE MINUTES. 
          UH, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE PARKING ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL SPEAK SEPARATE FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEY, AS PARKING ADVISORY MEMBERS SHOULD THEY WISH TO SPEAK, WILL GET SIX MINUTES BECAUSE THEY'RE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO LET'S GET GOING. 
          UH, MADAM CLERK, 
          [2. ROLL CALL]
UH, DEPUTY CLERK, CAN YOU READ THE ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAYOR. 
          MAYOR BLO. 
          PRESENT. 
          VICE MAYOR PLU. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR FOLTZ? HERE. 
          COUNCILOR FURMAN. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILLOR KINSELLA. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. 
          HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALWAYS PASTE THE, SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM THREE, 
          [3.a AB 2378 Discussion/possible direction regarding the findings and recommendations of the Uptown Parking Alternative Analysis and Site Selection.]
SPECIAL BUSINESS. 
          UH, THREE A AB 2378. 
          DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE UPTOWN PARKING ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS AND SITE SELECTION. 
          AND THEN, UM, OKAY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL STOP THERE AT A, SO THE, UH, PRESENTATION WILL BE BY ANDY. 
          KAREN, YOU GUYS OKAY. 
          DID I HIT THE IT WOULD HELP IF WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY WORKING. 
          THERE WE GO. 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          WE'RE PRESENTING THE FINAL REPORT FOR THE UPTOWN PARKING ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS. 
          PRESENTING TONIGHT WILL BE MYSELF, ANDREW BAIRD AND JEREMIAH SIMPSON FROM KIMLEY HORN, WHO YOU'VE PREVIOUSLY MET. 
          WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL SUPPORT STAFF HERE FROM, UH, VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE FOLKS FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE, AND OUR COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT ARE HERE TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS IN CASE YOU NEED THEM. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE THEM BEING HERE TO HELP US TONIGHT. 
          IN ADDITION, WE HAVE OUR TASK FORCE MEMBERS. 
          UH, IT APPEARS THAT THEY'RE ALL HERE TONIGHT AS WELL, WHO YOU ALSO MET IN THE MEETING THIS LAST AUGUST, SO I WON'T GO THROUGH AND POINTING EVERY EVERYBODY OUT AGAIN. 
          OUR AGENDA THAT WE'LL COVER, THE MAIN AREAS FOR THIS EFFORT INCLUDES LAND USE AND HISTORY. 
          WE'RE GONNA GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF SEDONA AND MOTION PROJECTS AND HOW THOSE OVERLAP. 
          THIS EFFORT, WE'LL COVER PARKING, TRAFFIC, TRANSIT, ER, EMERGENCY, AND EVACUATION, AS WELL AS OUR GOALS AND OPTIONS WILL QUICKLY RECAP THE HISTORY AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS PROCESS. 
          THE CITY HAS STUDIED PARKING IN UPTOWN FOR OVER THE PAST NEARLY 20 YEARS. 
          THESE MULTIPLE STUDIES HAVE INFORMED THE CITY ON HOW UPTOWN PARKING IMPROVEMENTS COULD BENEFIT THE CITY WITH PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES, INCLUDING WAY FINDING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, A GARAGE WHERE THE BEST LOCATION WOULD BE FOR A GARAGE TIME RESTRICT, UH, TIME RESTRICTED PARKING FEE, PARKING, AND OTHERS AFTER COM. 
          AFTER COMPLETING THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY IN 2019, THE CITY MOVED FORWARD WITH THE ACQUISITION DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND ADDING A PARKING GARAGE ON FOREST ROAD. 
          DURING THIS PROCESS, THE D THE GARAGE SITE WAS APPROVED FOR A MAJOR COMMUNITY PLAN, AMENDMENT, AND ZONE CHANGE TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GARAGE. 
          IN 2020, THE CITY PAUSED THIS EFFORT TO BEGIN THE UPTOWN PARKING ADVISORY ANALYSIS. 
          THIS EFFORT THAT WE'RE RE REPORTING ON THIS AFTERNOON. 
          THIS PROCESS INCLUDED REVISITING THE FINDINGS OF THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY, THE NEED FOR A GARAGE, IF THE FOREST ROAD SITE WAS THE BEST LOCATION FOR A GARAGE, HOW THE FACILITY WOULD IMPACT EVACUATION, TRANSIT AND TRAFFIC, AND HOW THE FACILITY, HOW THE FACILITY WOULD ACCESS THE NEW FOREST ROAD EXTENSION. 
          IT ALSO INCLUDED UPDATED PARKING CAPACITY, CAPACITY, AND DEMAND DATA. 
          WE HIRED KIMBERLY HORNE AND STARTED THE REEVALUATION THIS PAST MARCH. 
          THIS IS ALSO WHEN WE BEGAN THE DATA COLLECTION EFFORT. 
          EARLY ON, A TASK FORCE WAS FORMED. 
          THIS INCLUDED CITY STAFF, BUSINESS AND RESIDENT REPRESENTATIVES TO PROVIDE INPUT AND DIRECTION ON KEY ASPECTS OF THIS STUDY. 
          KIMLEY HORN STAFF PROVIDED DATA ANALYSIS, EXPERT GUIDANCE FOR KEY CONSIDERATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE AND DREW THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS. 
          HOWEVER, THEY DID NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE EVALUATION PROCESS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE LATER. 
          THROUGH THIS PROCESS, NUMEROUS COUNCIL MEETINGS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE GARAGE, AND SOME INCLUDED IN THIS REEVALUATION. 
          THIS LED TO PROVIDING A STATUS UPDATE TO COUNCIL THIS PAST AUGUST. 
          AND THEN WITH PRELIMINARY FINDINGS COMPLETE, A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE WAS HELD THIS PAST OCTOBER. 
          LAST MONTH. 
          AT THAT MEETING, WE HAD 68 ATTENDANCE WITH RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES, AND THIS WAS OUT OF 680 NOTICES SENT TO ALL ADDRESSES IN THE UPTOWN AREA. 
          FROM THIS FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AND SOME FINAL ADJUSTMENTS, THE REPORT WAS FINALIZED AND IS PROVIDED WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          SOME PLAN VISIONS, UH, VISION THEMES, I SHOULD SAY, WERE CAPTURED IN WHAT THE TASK FORCE USED TO DEVELOP THE EVALUATION 
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CRITERIA AND GUIDE THE EVALUATION PROCESS. 
          THESE INCLUDE TRANSFORMING UPTOWN INTO A PARK ONCE DISTRICT THROUGH IMPROVED WAY FINDING AND PARKING AVAILABILITY, IMPLEMENTING UPTOWN PARKING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PRIOR STUDIES AND COMPLETING A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          THIS ALSO HAS LED TO OTHER PLANNING EFFORTS LIKE THE TRA UH, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, AS WELL AS THE CFA, THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA FOR UPTOWN, WHICH IS NOT FINALIZED, BUT MAINLY COMPLETED THAT SUPPORT THE CAPTURED, UH, VISION THEMES. 
          THEY ALSO PROMOTE IMPROVED CIRCULATION WALKABILITY AND ULTIMATELY SUPPORT THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE AND THE LOCATION ON FOREST ROAD. 
          NOW I'M GONNA PASS IT OVER TO ANDREW AND HE'S GONNA GIVE THE SIM OVERVIEW. 
          ALRIGHT, IF YOU COULD DIMM THOSE LIGHTS WHILE I TALK. 
          I KNOW WE WERE JACKING WITH THE LIGHTS FOR FIVE MINUTES AND I THINK IT'S OKAY HOW IT IS NOW, SO I GUESS WE'LL LEAVE THEM. 
          SO IF YOU RECALL IN AUGUST, AS ANDY MENTIONED, UM, I GAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE, THE SEDONA MOTION PROGRAM AND SPECIFICALLY THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ONGOING AND AS IT RELATES TO ULTIMATELY THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          BUT, BUT OVERALL, THE GOAL TO REDUCE CONGESTION, IMPROVE CIRCULATION THROUGH WHAT WE'LL CALL THE UPTOWN AND ONE SEVENTY NINE DISTRICT. 
          SO THIS IS A SLIDE FROM AUGUST THAT I'M JUST GONNA GO OVER JUST THE STATUS OF THOSE, THESE PROJECTS TODAY. 
          I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT AS I TALK THROUGH LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION ANALYSIS, WE'RE USING THE SAME SOFTWARE AND TOOLS IN TERMS OF OUR TRAFFIC MODELING. 
          SO, SEM IS OUR OVERALL TRAFFIC MODELING SOFTWARE THAT WE'VE BEEN USING SINCE DAY ONE FOR MODELING THESE, THESE IMPROVEMENTS, BOTH PROJECTING HOW THESE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WILL IMPROVE CONGESTION THROUGH UPTOWN. 
          UH, AND ALSO AS WE NOTED BEFORE, ONCE A PROJECT IS COMPLETE, WE GO BACK AND WE UPDATE THE MODEL BASED ON RECENT TRAFFIC DATA TO COMPARE IT WITH THE MODEL. 
          SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO USE THIS MODEL FOR NOT ONLY TRAFFIC, BUT IN THIS CASE WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IT FOR, UH, EMERGENCY EVACUATION SCENARIOS AS WELL. 
          UH, WE ARE ALSO USING OUR ORIGIN DESTINATION SOFTWARE, WHICH I TALKED ABOUT LAST AUGUST. 
          THAT IS STREETLIGHT AS THE PLATFORM. 
          THAT IS WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK WHERE A VEHICLE OR A PERSON IS STARTING AND ULTIMATELY WHERE THEIR DESTINATION IS. 
          I'LL BE SPEAKING TO ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA AS WE, AGAIN, AS WE DIVE INTO SOME OF THE, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO PARKING AND CIRCULATION IN UPTOWN. 
          UH, SO AS I JUST KIND OF STEPPED THROUGH THESE PROJECTS, THE UPTOWN ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT, WE KNOW THAT ONE'S COMPLETE. 
          THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          ONE THING I WILL NOTE FROM THAT ONE, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE, THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT WAS HELD, UH, A MONTH AGO, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO PARKING ALONG THE HIGHWAY ITSELF. 
          SO IF EVERYONE RECALLS, IT WAS ONE LANE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION, ONCE THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS CAME IN TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND TWO LANES IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION. 
          ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES WITH CONGESTION IN SOUTHBOUND ADDITION PEDESTRIANS WERE, WAS THAT CONFLICT WITH THOSE DIAGONAL PARKING STALLS ALONG THE HIGHWAY. 
          AND THAT CONFLICT EVERY TIME SOMEONE'S EITHER WAITING FOR A SPOT SLOWING DOWN IN THAT ONE LANE OR THE OPPOSITE, SOMEONE IS BACKING INTO TRAFFIC AS THEY'RE, THEY'RE LEAVING UPTOWN. 
          UM, THAT SECOND SOUTHBOUND LANE DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THAT PARKING COULD REMAIN. 
          PEOPLE COULD NOW USE THE OUTSIDE LANE TO DRIVE A LITTLE SLOWER LOOK FOR A SPOT TO OPEN UP. 
          AND ANYONE ELSE THAT ACTUALLY IS DRIVING THROUGH AND THEIR DESTINATION IS NOT THOSE PARKING SPACES OR IS NOT UPTOWN, THEY CAN USE THE INSIDE LANE AND TRAVEL AND GET TO FOREST AND, AND LEAVE THAT AREA. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS ONE COMMENT THAT CAME UP AT THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS WHY WOULD WE NOT JUST ELIMINATE THESE PARKING STALLS? IN SOME CASES, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS CAN WORK HAND IN HAND WITH PARKING. 
          I THINK THAT'S A, A PRIMARY EXAMPLE OF THAT. 
          NOW, ON THE CONTRARY IS NUMBER TWO. 
          SO WHEN UPTOWN WAS IMPROVED AND THE SOUTHBOUND TRAVEL WAS IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY, IT WAS REALLY NOTICED THAT NOW NORTHBOUND IS STILL CONGESTED IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          WE ONLY REALLY HAVE ONE LANE, SPECIFICALLY AS WE GET NORTH OF JORDAN. 
          AS WE ALL KNOW. 
          THE, THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS WERE ACTUALLY, AS YOU KNOW, YOU APPROVED IT LAST NIGHT TO MOVE TO CONSTRUCTION, UH, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, UM, WE ARE ADDING A SECOND THROUGH LANE THAT TAPERS DOWN BEFORE FOREST, WHICH ACTUALLY PROVIDES ADDITIONAL QUEUING DOWNSTREAM OF THE Y, WHICH IS A PRIMARY CHOKE POINT INTO SEDONA. 
          SO THAT IMPROVEMENT WILL ACTUALLY PULL TRAFFIC OUT OF HERE. 
          SO, WE'LL, WE WILL STILL SEE IMPROVEMENT OF CIRCULATION AS YOU NAVIGATE THE HIGHWAYS. 
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BUT THOSE 13 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION, WE ONLY HAVE ONE LANE TO WORK WITH NO MATTER WHAT. 
          AND SO IT WAS RECOGNIZED A WHILE BACK THAT THOSE NEED TO BE ELIMINATED TO PRIORITIZE VEHICULAR MOVEMENTS THROUGH UPTOWN. 
          AND SO IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION, AS PART OF THAT IMPROVEMENT, THOSE SPACES ARE ELIMINATED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SAME AREA, TWO DIFFERENT TRAVELS OF DIRECTION, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAYS TO APPROACH KIND OF THE PARKING AND, AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT AND, AND HOW THOSE, THOSE TWO INTERACT. 
          NUMBER THREE IS OBVIOUS. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          THAT'S, UM, DISCUSSING OF OUR, OUR PARKING ALTERNATIVES. 
          THE, THE GARAGE IS ON HOLD AND IT'S, IT'S LABELED THERE AS NUMBER THREE. 
          UH, NUMBER FOUR IS THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION. 
          AS I'LL RECALL. 
          WE WERE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY DELAYED ON THAT CONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT, UM, THE CONTRACTOR'S BACK AND MOVING MATERIAL THERE AS WELL AS GRADING, UH, FOR A TEMPORARY SURFACE LOT WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, WAS ULTIMATELY DESIGNED TO A CERTAIN POINT BEFORE IT WAS PUT ON HOLD. 
          UH, THAT IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THIS WAS PUT ON HOLD, A, A COLLECTOR ROAD CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO A HIGHWAY, TO A, LET'S EITHER SAY A PARKING GARAGE OR CONSOLIDATED PARKING WILL WORK HAND IN HAND. 
          SO FOREST ROAD WAS OBVIOUSLY, UH, A DESIGNED, APPROVED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION BEFORE THE GARAGE STARTED. 
          BUT, BUT THOSE TWO, UH, CERTAINLY INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF, UM, OUR ORIGIN, ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA, WHERE AS I'LL, I'LL, I'LL DISCUSS FROM OUR TRAFFIC FINDINGS WHERE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TRAVELERS OUR ORIGINATING FROM, UH, AS WELL AS, AGAIN, JUST A DIRECT COLLECTOR ROAD FROM THE HIGHWAY TO EITHER CONSOLIDATED PARKING OR, OR A PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND THEN IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA IS, UM, SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT'LL BE DOWN, UH, JUST SOUTHWEST OF, OF THE Y WE ARE AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN PHASE FOR THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO START CONSTRUCTION IN SPRING OF NEXT YEAR. 
          THE NUMBER FIVE IS A NEW ROUNDABOUT THAT IS PLANNED AT ULTIMATELY WHERE THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION IS TYING INTO 89 A. 
          UH, AND THEN ULTIMATELY CONNECTING THE RANGER EXTENSION, WHICH WILL CONNECT BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND PROVIDE, AGAIN, ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE ROUTE OF TRAVEL THROUGH THIS AREA. 
          HELP FREE UP THE CONGESTION ON THE HIGHWAY. 
          BUT NOTABLY, AND AGAIN, AS WE START TALKING ABOUT TRANSIT, WOULD TIE INTO WHAT IS ULTIMATELY PLANNED FOR THE MOBILITY HUB OR, OR RIDE EXCHANGE AS WE, WE'VE STARTED CALLING IT FOR THE LAST YEAR. 
          UH, AND SO IN THIS AREA, NUMBER FIVE, THE, THE FOREST RANGER 89, A ROUNDABOUT THAT IS A 30% DESIGN LEVEL. 
          WE'LL BE FINISHING THE DESIGN ABOUT SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. 
          AND THEN THE RANGER EXTENSION AND THE MOBILITY HUB ARE, ARE STILL IN THE, THE PLANNING OR 30% DESIGN PHASES, UM, KIND OF PENDING WHEN WE KINDA GET THE BOOKEND PROJECTS DONE WITH THE, THE NEW, THE NEW INTERSECTIONS. 
          AND THEN DOWN ALONG 1 79, WE HAVE, UH, THE, UH, NUMBER 10, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK. 
          AND THEN A COUPLE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLETE, JUST AGAIN TO LOOK AT ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOWN IN THIS AREA. 
          NUMBER NINE IS THE LOS SALGADOS BREWER CONNECTION. 
          AND THEN NUMBER EIGHT IS THE PORTAL LANE CONNECTION, WHICH, WHICH TIES INTO A LOT OF OUR, THE RANGER BREWER IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS IS A REPEAT OF WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL SIM MEETINGS, BUT I THINK THIS DOES HELP SET THE FRAMEWORK FOR SOME OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE CONSIDERING FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS, BUT ALSO JUST UTILIZING THE MODEL AND THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AND APPLYING THAT TO, TO OUR PARKING STRATEGIES AS WELL AS, AS AS TRAFFIC TRANSIT AND EMERGENCY EVACUATION. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDES I KNOW ARE THE MAYOR'S FAVORITES. 
          'CAUSE I STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THOSE CARS TO BE ANY BIGGER THAN ANTS, BUT, OKAY, I WILL PLAY, I WILL PLAY THESE ANYWAY. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS EXISTING CONDITION RIGHT NOW, THIS IS 2023. 
          THIS IS AFTER THE AMARA RIGHT TURN LANE HAS BEEN, UM, INSTALLED. 
          SO AS I MENTIONED AT THE AUGUST MEETING, WE DID SEE AN IMPROVEMENT IN CONGESTION, BUT YOU KNOW, NOT, IT WAS A, AN 18% IMPROVEMENT IN TERMS OF OVERALL SYSTEM DELAY FROM OUR VISTA MODEL. 
          BUT STILL SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONGESTION, ESPECIALLY AT THE Y AND ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION AS WE APPROACH FOREST, FOREST AND JORDAN. 
          UH, AND THIS IN THE AFTERNOON TIME, WHICH WE SEE ON A TYPICAL WEEKEND OR A, A MARCH OR OCTOBER DAY WHEN COOKS HILLS STARTS TO BACK UP IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION. 
          AND, AND OBVIOUSLY 1 79 
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IS, IS HEAVILY CONGESTED. 
          THIS IS NOW THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE EXISTING CONDITION THAT I JUST, UH, SHOWED. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY ADDING THE, THE 89 A FOREST RANGER INTERSECTION. 
          SO AGAIN, I KNOW WE'VE GONE OVER THIS MANY TIMES, BUT THIS IS THE ULTIMATE CONDITION IN LET'S SAY TWO TO THREE YEARS FROM NOW. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE ULTIMATELY MODELED TO SHOW THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO NOT ONLY IN THE LAST MINUTE, I HAD THE GRAPH THAT SHOWED WITH EVERY IMPROVEMENT, WE START TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN, IN OVERALL CONGESTION, IMPROVED TRAVEL TIMES THROUGH THE AREA. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS THE SAME VOLUME OF CARS COMING THROUGH HERE WITH AN APPLIED GROWTH RATE IN 2025. 
          UM, AND ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL ROUTES, UM, THROUGH THIS AREA HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS, ESPECIALLY AT, AGAIN, WHAT IS A CHOKE POINT AT THE Y. 
          AND THEN I JUST SPLIT THESE OFF INTO MORE ZOOMED IN ONES, WHICH I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO REPLAY AGAIN. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING I WILL NOTE IS IN WHEN WE START TO DISCUSS THE, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND, AND, AND SOME OF THE MODELING WE RAN IN TERMS OF EVACUATION, WE DID INCLUDE, OBVIOUSLY THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION. 
          OBVIOUSLY THAT'S OUR FUTURE ROADWAY, BUT WE KNOW IT'S COMING, IT'S HALFWAY DONE. 
          AND THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WAS AGAIN, APPROVED LAST NIGHT. 
          SO WE, WE DO KNOW THOSE TWO PROJECTS WILL BE COMING ONLINE. 
          SO WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT OUR, UH, EMERGENCY AND EVACUATION ANALYSIS FOR THE TWO SCENARIOS THAT WE WORK THROUGH, IT INCLUDES SEVERAL FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WILL BE ONLINE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. 
          SO IT WAS FAIR, WE THOUGHT TO INCLUDE THOSE IN TERMS OF, OF THAT STRATEGY. 
          WITH THAT, I'M GONNA PASS TO JEREMIAH TO DISCUSS PARKING. 
          THANK YOU ANDREW. 
          JEREMIAH SIMPSON WITH KIMLEY HORN. 
          UH, NICE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. 
          UM, SOME OF THIS MATERIAL IS A LITTLE BIT OF A REVIEW FROM OUR LAST, UH, WORK SESSION AND, UM, POTENTIALLY NEW TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. 
          SO I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS SLOWLY. 
          UM, ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AGO, WE PROVIDED A SCOPE, UH, KIMLEY HORNE, UM, DID TO REVISIT THE PARKING STUDY. 
          UH, THIS WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE A REPEAT OF THE 2019 WALTER P. MOORE ANALYSIS. 
          INSTEAD, WE WERE VERY SPECIFICALLY TASKED WITH, UH, REVISITING THE ISSUE OF THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD WITH THREE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, ONE OF THEM WAS, IS A GARAGE, UH, NEEDED FOR UPTOWN SEDONA? UM, IS THE FOREST ROAD LOCATION STILL THE BEST OPTION, UM, FOR EXPANDING THE PARKING CAPACITY? AND HOW DOES A GARAGE OR ANY OTHER OPTION HELP TO FURTHER THE CITY'S OBJECTIVES, UH, RELATED TO DECREASING TRAFFIC, UM, MAINTAINING THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE AREA AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, AND, UH, FURTHERING A PARK ONCE APPROACH. 
          UM, AS ANDY ALLUDED TO IN HIS INTRODUCTION, UM, A TASK FORCE, UH, WAS ASSEMBLED WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF CITY STAFF, UM, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS TO HELP US, UH, BOTH VALIDATE OUR PROCESS AND THEN TO SET A, UH, MEASURABLE SET OF CRITERIA THAT WE COULD EVALUATE, UM, OPTIONS AGAINST. 
          UM, AND THOSE OPTIONS INCLUDE, UH, BUILDING A GARAGE, BUT ALSO INCLUDED NON, UM, NON GARAGE OPTIONS, INCLUDING BUILDING, SAY INTERCEPT PARKING LOTS, UH, NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE SUPPLY, UM, CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THE EXISTING PUBLIC PARKING, UM, AND HANDLING SOME OF OUR PARKING NEEDS, UM, MORE THROUGH, SAY, MANAGEMENT OF THE PARKING SYSTEM. 
          AND SO WE STARTED, UM, A DATA-DRIVEN PROCESS. 
          UH, LOOKING AT ANSWERING THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, IS A GARAGE NEEDED? UM, TO ANSWER THAT, WE SUPPLEMENTED THE 2019 STUDY EFFORT, WHICH REALLY LOOKED AT TWO, UH, TWO DATES IN JUNE WITH PARKING OCCUPANCIES, UH, WITH EIGHT ADDITIONAL SURVEY DATES IN MARCH, JUNE AND EARLY SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, 2023. 
          UH, WE LOOKED AT, UM, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MONDAY, TUESDAY. 
          SO WEEKDAYS AND WEEKENDS ACROSS THOSE SAMPLES, OUR PARKING OCCUPANCY DATA WAS COLLECTED, UH, USING, UH, A DRONE. 
          UM, THAT COVERS A LOT OF AREA VERY QUICKLY. 
          UM, FROM THAT WE DO WHAT'S CALLED A STITCH TOGETHER, UM, ORTHO MOSAIC IMAGE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS A HIGH RESOLUTION PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. 
          AND WE CAN REVISIT THAT AT ANY TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, COUNTED EACH 
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LOT, UM, CORRECTLY AND, UH, WITH HIGH PRECISION. 
          SO WE FLEW THIS DRONE AT 9:00 AM UH, 12 NOON, 3:00 PM AND, UH, AND 6:00 PM ON EACH SURVEY DAY, SO THAT WE COULD SEE, UH, MORNING KIND OF, UH, LUNCH, EARLY AFTERNOON AND EVENING CONDITIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STUDY AREA. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          SO WE DEFINITELY SAW CONDITIONS, UH, THAT RANGED FROM PARKING FACILITIES BEING 30 50% OCCUPIED, UH, TO PARKING FACILITIES BEING WELL OVER 85%. 
          UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TAKE HOME PIECES OF INFORMATION ON THIS SLIDE. 
          WE DID LOOK AT THE ENTIRE UPTOWN AND 1 7 9 DISTRICT PARKING SUPPLY. 
          SO OVER 2,760 PARKING SPACES. 
          YOU CAN SEE IN THE SMALL TABLE IN THE, THE RIGHT ABOUT MID SCREEN THAT NOT ALL OF THAT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. 
          UM, WHAT WE CAN SEE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE UPTOWN AND 1 79 DISTRICT ARE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE USE OF HOTELS, UH, EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE USE OF PRIVATE BUSINESSES, UM, ON STREET, UH, METERED AND PAID PARKING ALONG 1 79 A, UH, CITY MANAGED, UH, PUBLIC LOTS, WHICH GENERALLY HAVE, UH, THE NUMBERS, UH, LOTS ONE THROUGH, UH, ONE THROUGH EIGHT WITHIN THE STUDY AREA AND ALSO, UM, UH, 330 UNMANAGED, UH, STREET PARKING SPACES. 
          AND BY UNMANAGED WE SIMPLY MEAN THAT IT'S NOT METERED AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A RESTRICTION. 
          UH, BUT THESE TEND TO BE ALONG RESIDENTIAL STREETS OR TRANSITION STREETS BETWEEN, UH, THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND, AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          UM, BUT WHERE WE SAW THAT THERE WAS LIKELY SOME ACTIVITY FROM, UH, EITHER VISITORS SEARCHING FOR PARKING AND PARKING THERE, OR SOME MAYBE EMPLOYEE CARS. 
          UM, AND SO WE, UH, WE'VE TAKEN ALL OF THAT DATA AND PRESENTED A LITTLE SNAPSHOT. 
          UM, UH, ANDY, UM, AND THE STAFF HAVE A, A WORKBOOK WITH ALL OF OUR OCCUPANCY DATA AVAILABLE, UM, FOR THOSE THAT WOULD WANNA REVIEW IT, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, SEVERAL OF THE PEAK DAYS THAT WE SAW IN JUNE AND MARCH. 
          WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A SUBSET OF THE INVENTORY, UH, WE'RE GONNA CALL THIS THE PUBLIC PARKING SUPPLY. 
          UM, IT'S ROUGHLY 790 STALLS. 
          IT INCLUDES THE CITY MANAGED PUBLIC LOTS, UH, THE ON STREET, UH, PAID SPACES ALONG 1 79 A AND THE UNMANAGED, UH, STREET SPACES 330 STALLS. 
          AND GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT A VISITOR'S EXPERIENCING WHEN THEY COME TO SEDONA ON A PARTICULARLY PEAK DATE, AND HOW BUSY THE PARKING SYSTEM WOULD APPEAR AS YOU ARE DRIVING AROUND, SEARCHING FOR A PLACE TO PARK YOUR VEHICLE AND DO YOUR SHOPPING OR DINING OR, OR WHATEVER ELSE. 
          UH, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, THAT WE RECEIVED AFTER THE FACT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF THESE SPOTS WERE USED BY EMPLOYEES. 
          WE DID LOOK AT SOME OF THE RATIOS, UH, OF DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, AND ABOUT HOW MANY SPOTS WERE, SAY, OCCUPIED AT 9:00 AM UH, COMPARED TO AN OVERALL PEAK. 
          AND I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A ROUGH ESTIMATE, BUT ON A GIVEN DAY, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, I, WE THINK THAT MAYBE ABOUT 25% OF THE, THE PARKING DEMAND IS PROBABLY DOWNTOWN EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE IMPORTANT CONCEPTS HERE. 
          SO IN PLANNING AND PARKING PLANNING IN PARTICULAR, UH, WE APPLY WHAT'S CALLED AN EFFECTIVE SUPPLY FACTOR. 
          UM, AND THAT IS ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT PARKING, WHEN IT IS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE DOWNTOWN IS OFTEN, UH, HARD TO FIND. 
          WE NEED TO MAINTAIN A, A BUFFER, A SURPLUS OF SPACES. 
          UH, THIS ALLOWS FOR VISITORS TO CIRCULATE WITH THE SYSTEM AND EVENTUALLY FIND A SPOT AS PARKING SYSTEMS APPROACH 90%, A HUNDRED PERCENT OCCUPIED. 
          UH, MANY PEOPLE WILL CIRCULATE, THEY WILL WAIT FOR SPACES TO OPEN UP WITHIN A LOT. 
          THEY WILL ADD TO THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. 
          SOME STUDIES SAY AS MUCH AS 30 TO 40% OF DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC MAY IN FACT BE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR PARKING SPACES AND GOING AROUND THE BLOCK, UM, OR ADDING VEHICLES MILES TRAVELED, UM, AS THEY LOOK FOR THAT OPEN PARKING. 
          AND SO OUR INDUSTRY STANDARD IS TO SAY THAT A PARKING SYSTEM OF THIS SIZE IS MORE OR LESS AT CAPACITY WHEN IT REACHES THAT 85% THRESHOLD. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BAR GRAPH BELOW, WE WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THOSE DATA POINTS THAT ARE 84.6% OR 93.3% VISITORS ARE GONNA PERCEIVE THE PARKING AS FULL. 
          AND THIS IS LEADING TO EXCESS DRIVER CIRCULATION WITHIN THE PARKING SYSTEM, AS PEOPLE LOOK FOR JUST A HANDFUL OF OPEN PUBLIC PARKING STALLS. 
          UM, OVER, UM, WE COUNTED THIS UP TODAY, 17 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN UPTOWN AS, UH, PROVIDING PUBLIC OR PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING FROM ONE LOT TO THE NEXT DOOR. 
          THEY'RE SIMPLY WAITING, UH, IN A PARKING LOT FOR SOMEBODY TO COME BACK TO THEIR CAR. 
          UM, SOMETIMES WE CALL THIS POACHING. 
          UM, IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN PEOPLE WAITING FOR PARKING SPACES TO OPEN UP WHAT WE DID WITH THAT DATA, AND I WILL COME BACK TO OUR TASK FORCE BECAUSE AT EACH POINT WE 
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PRESENTED THIS INFORMATION TO THE TASK FORCE, AND WE ASKED THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE METHODOLOGY, UM, AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT OUR ANALYSIS APPROACH WAS REASONABLE. 
          SO THAT WHEN I SIT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY AND YOU SAY, IS THERE A NEED FOR A PARKING GRUDGE? UM, I'M ANSWERING THAT QUESTION AS OBJECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, WE LOOKED AT OUR PARKING OPPOSITE DATA, AND WE LOOKED AT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, WAYS TO MEASURE SEASONAL DEMAND PATTERNS. 
          IN UPTOWN. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE VIM MODEL AND, UH, A SOURCE WE CALL REPLICA HQ TO LOOK AT TRAFFIC. 
          AND WE FOUND THAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF PASS THROUGH TRIPS THAT, UM, TRAFFIC ACTUALLY STAYS RELATIVELY, HE, UH, HEAVY, UM, AND OFF PEAK MONTHS, OR IT DOES DROP OFF SOME, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE PARKING OCCUPANCIES WERE DECREASING. 
          UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT OUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY RATES. 
          AND THIS COMES FROM A SOURCE THAT, UM, THE VISITOR BUREAU PROVIDED US, WHICH IS THE STAR REPORTS, AND THEY REPORT OUT ON AVERAGE ROOM NIGHT OCCUPANCY FOR EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, GOING BACK MANY, MANY YEARS, WE CAN SEE PRE COVID AND POST COVID CONDITIONS, AND THERE'S SOME INTERESTING PATTERNS THERE. 
          UM, SEDONA WEATHERED THE STORM PRETTY WELL. 
          I WILL SAY, UM, HOTEL OCCUPANCIES HAVE COME BACK STRONG. 
          AND SO WHAT WE SAW IN 2022, UH, IN 2023 WAS DEFINITELY A, A RETURN TO PRE COVID NORMS. UH, AND WE SAW A SEASONAL DEMAND PATTERN IN HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS THAT WAS MUCH MORE, UH, ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE WERE SEEING IN THE FIELD IN TERMS OF UTILIZED PARKING DATA. 
          AND SO WE TOOK OUR EIGHT SURVEY DATES AND WE TOOK OUR TWO AFTERNOON SAMPLES, OUR 12 O'CLOCK AND OUR THREE O'CLOCK AS THE TWO PEAK PERIODS, AND WE BUILT A RATIO, UM, THAT WOULD SHOW HOW MANY OCCUPIED PARKING STALLS WE WERE SEEING ON THOSE EIGHT DATES COMPARED TO EIGHT, UH, HOTEL ROOM OCCUPANCIES FOR THAT SAME PERIOD. 
          AND WE APPLIED THAT, UM, ACROSS A 12 MONTH CALENDAR YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, UM, ON THE CHART. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THE, THIS RINGS TRUE TO THOSE OF YOU THAT LIVE AND WORK IN SEDONA AS REFLECTING MORE OR LESS THE SEASONAL PATTERN AND HOW BUSY IT FEELS, UH, IN UPTOWN. 
          AND WE CALIBRATED THIS MODEL TO SEE HOW MANY TIMES THAT PEAK PARKING OCCUPANCY WAS LIKELY, UM, EXCEEDING THE 85, UH, PERCENT THRESHOLD. 
          AND WE FOUND THAT CONDITION WAS HAPPENING REGULARLY IN MARCH, APRIL AND SEPTEMBER THROUGH, UH, NOVEMBER, AND LIKELY OCCURRING ON 50 OR 60 DATES OF THE YEAR REPRESENTING, UM, ALL FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAYS DURING THE PEAK MONTH, AND THEN SOME OTHER PEAK TIMES LIKE SPRING BREAK THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE WEEK. 
          AND WE, UH, WE ALSO CALIBRATED TO WHAT THE OCCUPANCY WOULD LIKELY LOOK LIKE AT A TYPICAL DESIGN DAY. 
          AND I WANNA EXPLAIN THIS TERM 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN WHAT WE DID. 
          SO WHEN WE PLAN INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE PLANNING SPACE, UH, WE LIKE TO USE THE WORD DESIGN DAY. 
          AND THAT'S JUST A FANCY WAY OF SAYING WHAT CONDITION IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGNED TO HANDLE. 
          UH, THE COMMON TERM IN PLANNING IS THAT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T PLAN THE CHURCH FOR EASTER SUNDAY, AND THAT MEANS THAT YOU DON'T, DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO DESIGN TO THE VERY BUSIEST CONDITION YOU'LL EVER, EVER EXPERIENCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE WAY TOO MANY, UH, SEATS. 
          YOU HAVE WAY TOO MANY PARKING STALLS THAT GO UNUTILIZED FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE YEAR. 
          AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECISIONS REGARDING A PARKING GARAGE ASSET, THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, 17, $18 MILLION, IT MIGHT BE $35,000 A STALL TO CONSTRUCT. 
          UM, IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE WANNA BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT WELL. 
          AND SO IF WE WERE ONLY SEEING PEAK SEASONAL ACTIVITY AT THE MALL OR SOMETHING FOR BLACK FRIDAY, UH, WE WOULD INSTITUTE A POLICY AND ASK EMPLOYEES TO GO OFFSITE, UM, ON THOSE DATES, OR WE WOULD VALET PARK, UM, THE LAST COUPLE OF SPACES, OR WE WOULD EVEN DIP INTO THAT EFFECTIVE SUPPLY QUESTION AND GO AHEAD AND LET THAT PARKING SYSTEM GET A HUNDRED PERCENT FULL ON THOSE DATES. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DESIGN DAY, UH, WE ARE USING AN 85TH PERCENTILE, WHICH MEANS THE 50, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE 50 TO 60TH BUSY DAY OF THE YEAR. 
          WHAT IS THAT CONDITION LIKE? UH, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE 15% SUPPLY ADJUSTMENT WE'VE MADE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT 85. 
          SO THERE'S TWO RULES OF 85 HERE. 
          ONE IS THE 85TH PERCENTILE BEING KIND OF THE PEAK OCCUPANCY, AND THEN THE OTHER WOULD BE THE 85TH PERCENTILE OR THE 50 TO 60TH BUSIEST DAY OF THE YEAR. 
          SO IN PLANNING TERMS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA REPRESENT HERE WHEN WE COME TO THE CONCLUSIONS. 
          THE SECOND FACTOR THAT WE ASK OUR TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW REASONABLE IS IT TO ASSUME THAT SEDONA IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW, UH, IN ITS TOURISM, UM, AND ITS ABILITY TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE UPTOWN AREA? AND I'LL TELL YOU, THERE'S QUITE, QUITE A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, WE ARE NOT ECONOMIC FORECASTERS. 
          UH, WE REALLY NEEDED TO RELY ON OUTSIDE SOURCES TO MAKE THESE PROJECTIONS. 
          AND SO WE FOUND THREE THAT WE FELT WERE RELATIVELY CREDIBLE. 
          UH, ONE WAS OUR TRAFFIC MODEL, 
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UH, WHICH DOES HAVE A 10 YEAR PROJECTION OF LIKELY, UH, INCREASES TO TRAFFIC, UH, WHERE WE WERE SHOWING A 3.8%, UH, AVERAGE ANNUAL INCREASE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS IN PREDICTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES FOR, UH, THE UPTOWN SEDONA AREA. 
          UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT INFORMATION THAT THE US CENSUS BUREAU PUTS OUT BASED ON THEIR AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY. 
          UM, AND THIS WAS BASED ON PROJECTED JOB GROWTH FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, UM, WHERE THEY'RE PROJECTING A 3.7% INCREASE, UH, PER YEAR, ANNUALLY OVER 10 YEARS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT PUT OUT BY, UH, THE REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, COUNCIL THROUGH YFI COMMUNITY COLLEGE. 
          AND THEIR GROWTH RATE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE MUTED, BUT A 2% AND GROWTH RATE. 
          UH, IF YOU BLEND THOSE THREE TOGETHER, UM, ESSENTIALLY A MONTE CARLO SIMULATION FOR ANYBODY THAT SAT DOWN RECENTLY WITH THEIR RETIREMENT ADVISOR. 
          THEY LOOK AT, UH, RISK FACTORS AND, AND HOW LIKELY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WOULD BE TO OCCUR OR, UM, YOU KNOW, CALIFORNIA TO DROP OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER SCENARIO YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING TO ACCOUNT FOR. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A MUCH, MUCH MORE SIMPLISTIC LOOK THAN THAT AND SIMPLY AVERAGED TOGETHER THREE SOURCES AND SAID A BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE OF 3.2%, UH, COMPARED TO PROJECTED GROWTH RATES FOR COTTONWOOD, FOR ARIZONA AS A WHOLE, THE PHOENIX METRO AREA VISITATION TO FLAGSTAFF, UM, SEEMED RELATIVELY REASONABLE. 
          UM, AND SO WE ARE CARRYING THAT AS A BASELINE ASSUMPTION IN OUR ANALYSIS. 
          THE NEXT THING WE LOOKED AT WAS WHETHER OR NOT IN INCREASED INVESTMENT IN TRANSIT AND CHANGES TO HOW WE MANAGE THE PARKING WOULD HAVE ANY KIND OF MUTING IMPACT ON THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND PARKING DEMAND WE MIGHT EXPERIENCE. 
          AND THE ANSWER WAS, WAS LIKELY, UH, YES. 
          IF WE'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING PEOPLE INTO A PARK ONCE MODEL, UH, IF WE CAN LEVERAGE SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGIES OUT THERE, UM, TO MAKE BETTER USE OF, UM, ALTERNATIVES, UH, MAYBE THERE'S INCREASED, UH, USE OF BICYCLE NETWORK FOR EMPLOYEES THAT LIVE NEARBY. 
          UH, PERHAPS THE SEDONA SHUTTLE PROVIDES A VERY VIABLE ALTERNATIVE. 
          AND SO WE COMPARED SOME OF THE PROGRAMS, UH, THAT THE CITY IS ALREADY PURSUING TO SOME OF THE DATA WE HAD ON EFFECTIVE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES. 
          AND WE FOUND ENOUGH CASE EVIDENCE THAT SAID THAT WE REASONABLY COULD FACTOR IN ABOUT A 7%, UH, DECREASE IN PARKING DEMAND, UM, ON A 10 YEAR HORIZON DUE TO SOME OF THE OTHER INVESTMENTS WE'RE MAKING. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE LAST LINE. 
          WE'VE TAKEN A 10 YEAR, UM, REDUCTION TO OUR GROWTH RATE, AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE, UH, WITH A 2.4%, UM, GROWTH IN PARKING DEMAND AS BEING, UM, SOMETHING REASONABLE TO ASSUME GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, UM, BEING A NON-ECONOMIC FORECAST PERSON, I'M A, I'M A PLANNER, UM, BY BACKGROUND. 
          UM, I FEEL THAT THIS IS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A PRETTY SOLID JOB LOOKING AT, UH, PROJECTING FACTORS AND CARRYING FORWARD A GROWTH RATE. 
          AND SO 2.4% IS WHAT WE'VE, IN WHAT WE'VE TAKEN FORWARD FOR OUR FUTURE PARKING DEMAND PLANNING. 
          THE NEXT FACTOR THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS SOME OF THE KNOWN AND PROJECTED PROJECTS THAT MIGHT IMPACT EXISTING PARKING IN SEDONA. 
          UH, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JORDAN ROAD LOT 4 0 1 JORDAN ROAD IN THE UPPER RIGHT, AND WHETHER OR NOT A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THERE, UM, MIGHT BE COMING FORWARD. 
          WE LOOKED A LITTLE BIT AT, UM, SOME OF THE DESIRES TO INCREASE WALKABILITY AND BIKEABILITY AND SAFETY ON SOME OF THE UPTOWN ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL STREETS. 
          UM, AND WE THOUGHT THAT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES COULD REASONABLY REDUCE ON-STREET PARKING SUPPLY ADJACENT TO UPTOWN. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WAS A SCENARIO WE CONSIDERED. 
          UH, WE ALSO CONSIDERED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE TOOK LOTS LIKE THREE AND FOUR, AND WE CHANGED THEM, SAY TO EMPLOYEES, OR WE LIMITED THE CIRCULATION THROUGH SOME OF THE SMALLER LOTS, AND WE TRIED TO DIRECT VISITORS MORE DIRECTLY TO SAY, THE MUNICIPAL LOT ON THE NORTH END OF UPTOWN OR THE FOREST ROAD, UH, LOCATIONS AT THE SOUTH SIDE OF UPTOWN. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE MODELED IS A NUMBER OF SCENARIOS WHICH POTENTIALLY WOULD IMPACT PARKING SUPPLY. 
          AND SO IF WE ASSUME THERE'S NO CHANGES TO PARKING SUPPLY, WE ARE PROJECTING A 10 YEAR DEFICIT OF ABOUT 185 PUBLIC PARKING STALLS. 
          THIS IS NO CHANGES TO SUPPLY AS WE LAYER IN SOME POTENTIAL CHANGES TO PARKING SUPPLY, SOME OF THEM BEING BENEFICIAL TO SOME OF OUR OTHER GOALS 
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LIKE IMPROVING SAFETY FOR RESIDENTS, WE MIGHT TAKE SOME OF THOSE ON-STREET PARKING, UM, SPOTS OFFLINE. 
          UM, AND IN FACT, SOME OF THE, UH, SEDONA IN MOTION CHANGES THAT ANDREW, UM, TALKED ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO HAS ALREADY TAKEN 17 13, 13 13 PARKING STALLS OFF OF, UH, 89 A, WHICH WERE NOT, UH, IN THE INITIAL MODEL. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, UNDER SCENARIO D WHERE WE'RE PROJECTING ON STREET CHANGES. 
          SO GIVEN THE LIKELIHOOD THAT SOME OF THESE WOULD OCCUR, UH, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT OUR 10 YEAR, UH, PROJECTED NUMBER OF 185 TO ROUGHLY 317 A NET NEW PUBLIC PARKING SPACES NEEDED, UM, IS OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKING DEMAND ANALYSIS. 
          SO, UH, THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARKING IS NEEDED, UM, AND OUR PROFESSIONAL, UH, FINDING IS THAT YOU SHOULD PLAN FOR 185 TO 317 STALLS, UM, SOMEWHERE WITHIN YOUR SYSTEM. 
          TRAFFIC. 
          BACK TO ME, BACK TO ANDREW. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY, I PICKED A BAD SEAT HERE. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO GET SITUATED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS, AS, AS JEREMIAH DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF JUST KINDA RULE OF THUMB ON CIRCULATION, WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO UTILIZE THE ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA TO DETERMINE HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE CIRCULATING. 
          UM, BUT WE FIRST ACTUALLY START OFF BIG PICTURE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE DRIVING THROUGH UPTOWN? AND THIS IS JUST THE UPTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT DISTRICT, THIS IS NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE GRAPHIC, UH, IN THE TOP RIGHT, WE HAVE 50% OF OUR TRAFFIC THAT THE DESTINATION OR THE PASS THROUGH IS INTO UPTOWN IS FROM THE WEST, 35% FROM THE SOUTH, AND 15% FROM THE NORTH OF THAT. 
          THE BREAKDOWN IS WE HAVE 32,000 AVERAGE VEHICLES PER DAY WITHIN UPTOWN SEDONA. 
          THAT IS JUST VEHICLE TRIPS. 
          THAT IS NOT PEOPLE, THAT IS CARS THAT ARE GOING IN AND OUT OF UPTOWN. 
          APPROXIMATELY 26,000 OF THOSE ARE VISITORS. 
          UH, AGAIN, WE KNOW THIS FROM, FROM STREETLIGHT DATA, THEY CAN BREAK OUT VISITORS, WORKERS AND RESIDENTS, UH, WITH THEIR ALGORITHM ALGORITHMS AND THE SOFTWARE THAT WE ULTIMATELY USE. 
          UM, YOU WILL ALSO SEE THAT OUR PEAK IS IN MARCH AS EXPECTED. 
          UH, AND SO NONE OF THIS, THIS, THIS IS A NEWS TO US, BUT, BUT THE, THE 85% IS A, IS A KEY NUMBER IN TERMS OF WHERE VEHICLES ARE COMING AS THE, AS THEY ENTER IN. 
          AND, AND ONE THING THAT I WILL NOTE IS THAT THERE IS A SPLIT BETWEEN THE ACTUAL DESTINATION IS UPTOWN VERSUS HOW MANY ARE PASSED THROUGH. 
          AND STREETLIGHT DEFINES THAT BY IT IS YOUR DESTINATION IF YOU ARE IN THAT ZONE FOR MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU ARE A PASS THROUGH. 
          AND WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 50% IS PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC, WHICH AGAIN, IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHEN WE START TO TALK TRANSIT PLANNING. 
          UM, CAN WE ELIMINATE PARKING ENTIRELY? NO, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THIS IS A PASS THROUGH SEDONA. 
          YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE HIGHWAY, YOU'RE GOING UP TO OAK CREEK, YOU'RE GOING INTO FLAGSTAFF. 
          AND SO THIS, THESE NUMBERS ARE KNOWN AND WE ACTUALLY CAN BREAK THIS OUT MONTH TO MONTH AS IS, AS IS SHOWN ON THAT CHART. 
          SO WE ALSO USE ORIGIN DESTINATION, WE CAN BREAK THAT DOWN INTO THE DESTINATION BEING A SINGLE PARKING LOT. 
          AND SO TO ANSWER OUR CIRCULATION QUESTION AND THEN RELATE THAT TO LEVEL OF SERVICE OF A ROADWAY, WE TOOK THREE SPECIFIC LOTS. 
          WE TOOK WHAT WE CALL THE CHIPOTLE LOT AS KIND OF HONESTLY OUR WORST CASE IN TERMS OF VEHICLE TURNOVER. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE PARKED THERE, THERE'S MANY INGRESS EGRESS POINTS INTO THAT PARKING AREA. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STOPPING JUST TO PICK UP A, A, A BURRITO OR STOP AT THE, THE STORE THERE. 
          AND SO WHAT THESE NUMBERS SHOW IS THAT IN A GIVEN HOUR, AND THIS IS A PEAK HOUR, SO LET'S USE CHIPOTLE FOR EXAMPLE, THE INVENTORY OF THAT LOT IS 187. 
          THE PEAK IS FROM ONE TO TWO. 
          WE SEE THAT THERE ARE 288 PASS THROUGH TRIPS COMPARED TO 81 TRIP ENDS. 
          SO IT'S A 3.56 TO ONE RATIO OF BASICALLY THOSE THAT ARE CIRCULATING COMPARED TO THOSE THAT FIND A PARKING SPACE. 
          NOW, LET'S TAKE THE LOWER END, THE MUNICIPAL LOT, MUNICIPAL LOT FIVE A HUNDRED THIRTY EIGHT SPACES AVAILABLE FROM ONE TO TWO IS OUR, IS OUR PEAK DEMAND. 
          AND IT'S ABOUT A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO. 
          SO THE PASS THROUGH IN THAT HOUR IS 48, AND THE TRIP END IS 44, SO 1.09. 
          SO 
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FOR OUR ANALYSIS, WE TOOK THAT AS KIND OF OUR CONSERVATIVE NUMBER. 
          WE DIDN'T WANNA TAKE A TWO TO ONE RATIO, WE WANNA TAKE THREE TO ONE. 
          WE JUST DID ONE-TO-ONE, WE APPLIED THAT TO THE LOTS IN UPTOWN. 
          WE KNOW FROM OUR OCCUPANCY DATA THAT ON THOSE DESIGN DAYS, THOSE 60 DAYS A YEAR FOR ABOUT A FIVE HOUR WINDOW, THAT IS WHEN THOSE PARKING LOTS ARE HIGHLY OCCUPIED. 
          SO WE CAN EXPECT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TURNOVER, BUT ALSO THE SAME AMOUNT OF CAPACITY ISSUES AND CARS CIRCULATING. 
          SO ONCE WE DID THE MATH, WE HAVE A THOUSAND VEHICLES PER DAY THAT ARE DRIVING ON LOCAL ROADS IN UPTOWN. 
          AND THESE ARE, THIS IS ON SCHLEY, THIS IS ON APPLE, THIS IS ON SMITH, THIS IS VENDER, AND THIS IS CIRCULATING TO THOSE DISPERSED LOTS THAT ARE IN UPTOWN. 
          THIS IS A NUMBER THAT WE KNOW, BECAUSE WE CAN PULL THIS FROM OUR ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA. 
          WE CAN PULL THIS FROM OTHER DAYS. 
          THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THE VALUE OF THE DATA WE CAN PULL, BUT THE NEXT THING IS TO ACTUALLY EQUATE THAT TO LEVEL OF SERVICE OF A ROADWAY. 
          AND FOR THOSE WHO WEAR LEVEL OF SERVICE, IF WE'RE TALKING A LEVEL OF SERVICE, A ON A ROADWAY, THAT'S FREE FLOW. 
          THAT'S NO CONGESTION, THAT'S YOU OR JUST GETTING RIGHT THROUGH TO YOUR DESTINATION WITH ZERO CONFLICTS, ZERO FRICTION, ALL THE WAY UP TO GRIDLOCK LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          F THAT'S YOU'RE AT A STANDSTILL THAT'S COOKS HILL AT 2:00 PM ON MARCH 17TH, RIGHT? THAT'S, YOU'RE STUCK IN THE Y SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE RANGE. 
          DIFFERENT ROADS HAVE DIFFERENT CAPACITIES FOR VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC. 
          A LOCAL ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN REALLY ONLY FROM LEVEL OF B TO C, YOU CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE ANOTHER 500 CARS. 
          FROM C TO D YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE ANOTHER 600. 
          AND THEN TO E IT'S ONLY A HUNDRED. 
          SO IT STARTS TO GET VERY, THE MORE CARS YOU HAVE, THAT LOCAL ROAD BECOMES CONGESTED A LOT SOONER. 
          FOR A COLLECTOR ROAD SUCH AS JORDAN, OR ULTIMATELY THE FOREST CONNECTION, A COLLECTOR ROAD IS A ROAD THAT ESSENTIALLY TAKES, COMES OFF OF AN ARTERIAL OR IN A HIGHWAY AND CONNECTS YOU TO A LOCAL ROAD. 
          IE THE FUTURE OF FOREST ROAD CONNECTION. 
          FOREST ROAD CONNECTION'S GONNA TIE YOU DIRECTLY FROM THE HIGHWAY TO A LOCAL ROAD THAT IS A, THAT WILL BE DEFINED AS A COLLECTOR ROAD. 
          THAT CAPACITY, THEY HAVE ABOUT 3000 CAR CAPACITY BEFORE YOU JUMP A LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          SO WE HAVE A THOUSAND CARS CIRCULATING ON A LOCAL ROAD. 
          WE'RE GONNA JUMP TWO LEVEL OF SERVICES JUST ON OUR DESIGN DAY. 
          AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT IS BASED ON DATA THAT WE KNOW CARS GOING IN AND OUT OF THESE ZONES. 
          AND THIS IS ONLY APPLYING TO THE UPTOWN AREA, ESSENTIALLY NORTH OF THE Y UM, OH, SORRY, NORTH OF JORDAN AND, AND BOUND BY BY SMITH ON THE WEST AND, AND KIND OF UP TO SCHLEY AND JUST NORTH. 
          SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA, WE JUST ISOLATED TO THE LOCAL ROADS ADJACENT TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO THIS IS, I WOULD SAY THIS IS A LOW NUMBER IN TERMS OF ANTICIPATED VEHICLES, BUT STILL TRIGGERS A DEGRADATION OF LEVEL OF SERVICE BY TWO ON LOCAL ROADS. 
          THE THE LAST THING, OR NOT REALLY, THE LAST THING WE CAN PULL IS WE CAN ACTUALLY, WELL TWO THINGS. 
          SO WE CAN ACTUALLY NOTE WHERE THE VISITORS ARE COMING FROM. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, WE START TO LOOK AT HOW FAR AWAY ARE THEY TRAVELING. 
          AND JUST FROM A BIG PICTURE, 13% OF VISITORS THAT ARE JUST INTO THE UPTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT ARE COMING FROM 50 MILES AWAY. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN BREAK THAT DOWN EVEN FURTHER TO A ZIP CODE IN PHOENIX TO UPTOWN. 
          SO THAT'S AS DEEP AS THE DATA WE CAN, THIS WAS MORE JUST A BIG PICTURE OF 13% OF OUR VISITORS ARE COMING FROM 50 MILES AWAY. 
          SO PHOENIX PRIMARILY IS ONE THOUGHT THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY ROUTE THAT THEY'RE COMING, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT 85% OF OUR VISITORS ARE COMING FROM THE SOUTH AND THE WEST. 
          WHAT'S THE MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREA THAT'S 50 MILES AWAY? IT'S PHOENIX. 
          TAKE THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT PEDESTRIANS AND USING THEIR CELL PHONES. 
          HOW FAR ARE THEY ACTUALLY WILLING TO WALK ONCE THEY'VE FOUND A PARKING SPACE? SO IT'S, YOU LUCKY ENOUGH, YOU FOUND A PARKING SPACE IN PEAK MARCH. 
          YOU WERE THE ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES. 
          THE COIN FLIP THAT YOU FOUND A SPOT. 
          UM, WE FOUND THAT ON AVERAGE THEY'RE WILLING TO WALK ANYWHERE FROM 0.3 TO 0.4 MILES. 
          SO WHAT THIS STARTS TO TELL US IN TERMS OF OUR CONCLUSION FROM TRAFFIC IS THAT CONSOLIDATION OF PARKING IS PREFERRED. 
          NOT HAVING CARS CIRCULATING AND DISPERSED LOTS ANYWHERE FROM 30 STALLS TO 120 ON LOCAL ROADS THAT CAN'T HANDLE THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC DUE TO CIRCULATION. 
          SO YOU WANT TO CONSOLIDATE YOUR PARKING ADJACENT TO A COLLECTOR ROAD, IDEALLY THAT CAN HANDLE THAT ADDITIONAL CIRCULATION FOR THOSE HUGE DAYS IN SPRING OR IN OCTOBER WHEN NO MATTER HOW MUCH PARKING INVENTORY YOU HAVE, YOU MAY BE AT CAPACITY AT LEAST CIRCULATE THE VEHICLES ON A COLLECTOR ROAD WHERE THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT TO A HIGHWAY. 
          WE ALSO KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA CONSOLIDATE PARKING, IF WE HAVE 85% OF THE VISITORS COMING FROM THE SOUTH AND WEST, IDEALLY YOU CONSOLIDATE YOUR, THE MOST OF YOUR PARKING ON THE SOUTHWEST END OF UPTOWN AND PLACE IT WITHIN 0.4 MILES OF YOUR DESTINATION. 
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YOUR DESTINATION IS NOT YOUR PARKING GARAGE, IT'S NOT YOUR PARKING LOT, YOUR DESTINATION'S UPTOWN. 
          SO IF YOU'RE WILLING TO WALK 0.3 TO 0.4 MILES, PLACE A CONSOLIDATED LOT ADJACENT TO A COLLECTOR ROAD AND PLACE IT IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA OF, OF UPTOWN, BUT DO NOT ELIMINATE PARKING ENTIRELY BECAUSE WE STILL DO HAVE 15% OF OUR TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE NORTH. 
          WE STILL HAVE A ROUNDABOUT AND WE STILL HAVE O ONE B THAT YOU CAN DIRECTLY GET TO THE MUNICIPAL LOT. 
          SO AS WE START TO LOOK AT CONSOLIDATION, MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING SOUTHWEST AS A KEY AREA, BUT DON'T LOSE SIGHT THAT THERE SHOULD STILL BE PARKING IN THE NORTH AREA. 
          SO YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY CONSOLIDATING INTO MAJOR ACCESS POINTS OFF MAJOR COLLECTOR ROADS THAT ARE WITHIN 0.4 MILES OF YOUR ULTIMATE DESTINATION. 
          THAT WAS OUR FINDING IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? AND YEAH, ACTUALLY IF I COULD BACK UP ADDING THE IDEA OF THIS PEDESTRIAN, YOU KNOW, INTERACTION TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEGRADATION OF LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WE'RE TAKING, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT OF THE CIRCULATION IS REDUCING LEVEL OF SERVICE BY TWO LEVELS, THAT'S JUST LOOKING AT THE, AT THE TRAFFIC. 
          IF WE ADD THAT PEDESTRIAN FRICTION ONTO THIS, THEN THAT'S REDUCING THAT EVEN FURTHER, RIGHT? LIKELY ANOTHER LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE AND WILL LIKELY COME UP AGAIN IN LATER DISCUSSION. 
          SO RIGHT, THAT WAS JUST STRICTLY TRAFFIC, SO A THOUSAND CARS, BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT DIDN'T MODEL EVEN PARKED VEHICLES ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE SIDE, ON ALONG THE ROAD. 
          AND SO THAT ADDITIONAL FRICTION AS WELL, IT'S JUST REALLY IN A VACUUM JUST LOOKING AT VEHICLES, WHICH STILL JUMPS AT TWO LEVELS SERVICE. 
          SO, SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA BE WORSE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE DATA SHOWED FROM A VEHICULAR STANDPOINT TRANSIT. 
          SO AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE THE SHUTTLE SYSTEM IS, WAS DEPLOYED LAST MARCH AND IS IS DEEMED HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL. 
          WHAT'S SHOWN ON HERE IS THE, THE ROUTES THAT ARE, THAT ARE CURRENTLY ONGOING, UM, WANT TO KIND OF JUMP BACK TO SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE FOUND IN RELATION TO, UM, PLACING THE PARKING LOTS AND THE CONSOLIDATED LOTS PROXIMAL TO UPTOWN. 
          THAT TIES VERY WELL WITH WHAT ROBERT WEBER HAD STATED IN SEVERAL OF OUR TASK FORCE FROM TWO CASE STUDIES IN CALIFORNIA. 
          ONE, A QUESTION OF THAT'S COME UP MANY TIMES IS INTERCEPT LOTS ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN VERSUS PARKING LOTS OR GARAGES PROXIMAL TO UPTOWN IN YOUR DESTINATION. 
          AGAIN, ONE THING TO NOTE, OF THE 32,000 AVERAGE VEHICLES PER DAY, 50% ARE PASS THROUGH. 
          SO NOT EVERYBODY'S ENDS UP IN THEIR DESTINATION, THEY JUST HAVE TO BE DRIVING THROUGH THAT ZONE. 
          BUT THE FINDINGS FROM ROBERT'S CASE STUDY THAT HE DISCUSSED WITH THE TASK FORCE WAS THAT IN THE CASE OF THE INTERCEPT LOT CONCEPT WHERE YOU ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR VEHICLES A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY, THAT IS LIKELY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THEM TO GO TO YOUR ULTIMATE DESTINATION, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT EITHER STRUCTURE OR INTERCEPT LOT BEING USED IS VERY, VERY LOW. 
          AND THAT WAS THE CASE AND, AND THE THE CASE STUDY THAT ROBERT BROUGHT TO US THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN ON THE FLIP SIDE, PROXIMAL PARKING, WHETHER AGAIN IT'S SURFACE LOTS OR PARKING GARAGES THAT ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO YOUR DESTINATION. 
          AND HERE THE NUMBER SHOWS COMFORTABLY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND VISITORS OR WHOEVER'S IN UPTOWN IS 0.3 TO 0.4 MILES. 
          SO WHEN WE SAY PROXIMAL, LET'S LEAVE THAT KIND OF AS OUR NUMBER. 
          IF WE PLACE PARKING LOTS OR STRUCTURES WITHIN THAT RADIUS, AND WE PLACE THEM AT LEAST AT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND AND UPTOWN OR A DOWNTOWN CORE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT A SHUTTLE SYSTEM OR A CIRCULATOR THAT CAN ACTUALLY WORK HAND IN HAND WITH PARKING. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU CAN START TO LOOK AT MULTIMODAL USES. 
          SOME PEOPLE MAY JUST GET OUT OF THE GARAGE AND BE BE WILLING TO, OR THE, THE, THE LOT AND BE WILLING TO WALK THAT DISTANCE. 
          OTHERS COULD MAYBE TAKE A CIRCULAR ROUTE THAT GETS YOU INTO YOUR DESTINATION UPTOWN, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IF YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE YOUR CAR THERE, YOU'RE WITHIN A FIVE OR 10 MINUTE WALK FROM THAT, YOU'RE ULTIMATELY YOUR DESTINATION. 
          AND THAT WAS SOMETHING HE BROUGHT UP TO US AT SEVERAL TASK FORCE MEETINGS IN TERMS OF IF WE'RE REALLY WANTING TO LOOK AT PARKING AND ITS INTERACTION WITH TRANSIT, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS IMPORTANT TO ULTIMATELY THE SUSTAINABILITY OF SEDONA IS IMPLEMENTING SOUND TRANSIT, WHICH WE'VE SEEN FROM RIDERSHIP, 
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JUST FROM THE, THE THREE DIFFERENT, THE THREE DIFFERENT ROUTES THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED THAT THE, THE DEMAND IS THERE AND THE MORE WE EXPAND TRANSIT TO FIXED ROUTES TO CIRCULATORS, TO EXPANDING THE SHUTTLES. 
          UM, BUT THAT NEEDS TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH PARKING AND THAT ULTIMATELY TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY KEEP ALL CARS OUT OF AN UPTOWN AREA AND ELIMINATE PARKING AND PLACING INTERCEPTOR LOTS, SIX, EIGHT MILES OUTSIDE OF TOWN SIMPLY WON'T WORK FROM THE CASE STUDIES THAT, THAT ROBERT HAS HAS BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN. 
          AND I THINK ANDY HAS AN EXAMPLE OF A MORE SMALLER SCALE, UH, EXAMPLE JUST FROM THE, THE SHUTTLE SYSTEM ITSELF. 
          UH, ANOTHER POINT TOO THAT I THINK ROBERT WOULD MAKE IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO CAPTURE THE FIRST, FIRST MILE, LAST MILE. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET PEOPLE TO UPTOWN, YOU KNOW, THROUGH A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE ACCESS TO UPTOWN, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO UTILIZE THE ABILITY TO GET FOLKS TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND BACK TO WHERE WE CONNECT THEM WITH TRANSIT THROUGH MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO THEY'RE WALKING, BIKING, OTHER MODES. 
          AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY PROXIMATE PARKING TO THE UPTOWN AREA IS IMPORTANT. 
          AND THEN I WAS GONNA MAKE A POINT ABOUT OUR PARK AND RIDE SYSTEMS IN RELATION TO THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE SYSTEM. 
          ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT WHY INTERCEPT LOTS THAT ARE FAR AWAY FROM A DESTINATION THAT DON'T WORK AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE PROXIMATE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE POSSE GROUNDS PARK AND RIDE AND THAT CONNECTION TO THE SOLDIER PASS AREA, IT'S HIGHLY, HIGHLY UTILIZED. 
          ROBERT'S BEEN TRYING TO GET THE US FOREST SERVICE TO ALLOW US TO INCREASE TRIPS TO THAT AREA FOR, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE DEMAND ON ON THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE. 
          WHEREAS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONNECTION FROM P***Y GROUNDS TO DRY CREEK AND MEZCAL, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS EFFECTIVE, IT'S NOT AS SUCCESSFUL AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THAT PROXIMATE, UM, CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I JUST THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA TALK LONGER SO I COULD TAKE MORE WALK, DRINK OF WATER. 
          OH, ROBERT, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S READY TO NO, I WAS JUST ON, UH, ON DECK HERE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          EXCUSE MY VOICE. 
          UH, I THINK HE REPRESENTED THAT PRETTY WELL. 
          UM, AND I, I DO WANNA STRESS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH MODERN DAY TRANSIT PLANNING, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PARK ONES MODELS. 
          WE ARE LOOKING AT MULTIMODAL AS, AS ANDY MENTIONED, AND THAT INCLUDES WALKING, BIKING, AND TRANSIT WHERE APPROPRIATE, WHICH CAN BE DRIVEN BY TOPOGRAPHY, DIFFERENT AREAS, THAT TYPE OF THING, AS ANDY HAD ALLUDED TO. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IN SHORT, UM, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT ALWAYS WOULD PREFER A CONSOLIDATED MODEL AND WHERE THE PARKING STRUCTURES OR FACILITIES OR, OR EVEN OPEN LOTS, ASSUMING THEY CAN HANDLE CAPACITY, UM, OR PROXIMAL TO THE FINAL DESTINATIONS, UH, BASED ON SOME OF THE CASE STUDIES. 
          IT WASN'T JUST MINE. 
          THERE WERE OTHER ONES AS WELL THAT I THINK, UH, ANDY AND AND JEREMIAH LOOKED AT. 
          UH, SO THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          AND I THINK KAREN HAD SOMETHING TO ADD. 
          YEAH, THANKS SANDY. 
          IN TERMS OF THE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T DO A SUFFICIENT ENOUGH JOB OF EVALUATING IN 2019 WHEN THAT LAST STUDY WAS DONE, TRANSIT AND EVACUATION, I THINK WERE PROBABLY THE TWO MOST CRITICAL PIECES. 
          WE, WE DIDN'T EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF FORCE ROAD, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM A COMMON SENSE PERSPECTIVE, WE DIDN'T EXPECT, UH, AN ADDITIONAL INGRESS AND EGRESS PATH TO THIS LOCATION TO BE A DEFICIT IN TERMS OF EVALUATING THE EFFICACY OR THE PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE. 
          BUT TRANSIT AND AN EVACUATION WERE BOTH THINGS THAT WERE UNKNOWNS AND WERE FOCAL POINTS OF THE REEVALUATION. 
          SO ROBERT'S INPUT AND, AND THIS PIECE OF THE EVALUATION AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THE GARAGE WOULD SUPPORT OR DETRACT FROM TRANSIT WAS CRITICAL. 
          I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, ANDREW AND ROBERT AND ANDY DID A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING WHY THIS MAKES SENSE RELATIVE TO TO TRANSIT. 
          UM, BUT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO KNOW ABOUT UPTOWN AS A DESTINATION IS THAT IT IS BOTH A DESTINATION TO CONTINUED POINTS NORTH. 
          SO WHETHER THAT BE THE CANYON OR FLAGSTAFF OR OR GRAND CANYON, 
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WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE PASSING THROUGH. 
          SO THAT IS ONE REASON WHY WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE PARKING PROXIMATE, UM, INSTEAD OF OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO BACKTRACK TO GET INTO A PERSONAL VEHICLE AND THEN MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH UPTOWN. 
          WE LEARNED AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC WORK THAT 50% ARE JUST PASSING THROUGH AND THAT CREATES AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR US FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          WE'RE THE NEW DMO, RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY DRIVE PEOPLE TO STOP AND PATRONIZE OUR UPTOWN BUSINESSES AT THE PEAKS, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE NON PEAKS WHERE BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN COULD BENEFIT FROM TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC. 
          THIS AS WE INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS THAT, IT ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO THINGS, UM, LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND LIKE CAPTURING THIS PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC. 
          OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA DISCUSS, UH, EMERGENCY AND EVACUATION RESPONSE. 
          WANT TO PREFACE THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAME UP AT MANY OF THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS WAS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE GARAGE ON FOREST ROAD AS AGAIN, AS WE'VE TAKEN THE DESIGN UP TO ABOUT 80% LEVEL IN NOVEMBER. 
          BUT, BUT SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WERE IF YOU WERE GOING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW FOREST ROAD CONNECTION THAT YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY WILL RELIEVE SOME OF THE CONGESTION ON THE HIGHWAY AND AT THE Y BUT PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE FOR EMERGENCY EVACUATION, A FIRE TO THE NORTH COULD EVACUATE UPTOWN TO USE THE NEW FOREST CONNECTION TO THE WEST. 
          ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP NUMEROUS TIMES, ESPECIALLY FROM OUR RESIDENTS ON THE TASK FORCE WAS, AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT A 272 SPACE GARAGE THAT WILL BOTTLENECK WHAT WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION ROUTE. 
          SO WE MET SEVERAL, TWICE WITH, WITH PD FIRE AND, AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM COO COUNTY. 
          AND AS, AS MOST ARE AWARE HERE, THERE IS AN ONGOING EFFORT FOR A FULL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT'S BEING LED BY THE COUNTIES WITH A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT WHO'S RUNNING DIFFERENT MODELING SCENARIOS. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO MEET WITH THE EXPERTS TO TALK THROUGH BIG PICTURE WHAT WOULD BE THE EVACUATION SCENARIOS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC SPLITS. 
          BUT AT SOME POINT THEY NEED TO KEEP THE INFORMATION INTERNAL SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SHARE ALL OF THEIR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLANS WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          SO THEY GIVE US ENOUGH INFORMATION AS TRAFFIC DESIGNERS TO SAY, OKAY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU'RE RUNNING TRAFFIC DOWN JORDAN, YOU WILL KEEP THEM ALONG JORDAN UNTIL THEY GET TO JORDAN ROUNDABOUT TO GET TO THE HIGHWAY. 
          OR IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY EVACUATING ALONG FOREST, YOU WOULD NEVER ACTUALLY FLIP THE NORTHBOUND LANE TO TWO SOUTHBOUND LANES BECAUSE THAT IS TOO CHALLENGING TO MANAGE. 
          OR WE LEARNED PLAN ON BEST CASE SCENARIO TWO HOURS TO EVACUATE A 272 CAR GARAGE INSTEAD OF THE ONE HOUR THAT WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT. 
          SO IT TOOK A COUPLE ITERATIONS OF US TALKING WITH PD AND FIRE AND, AND COO COUNTY TO GO, OKAY, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OF AN IDEA IN TERMS OF WHAT TWO POTENTIAL EVACUATION SCENARIOS WOULD BE, AND WE HAVE ENOUGH TO WHERE WE CAN RUN AN ANALYSIS THAT WILL COMPARE A BASE CONDITION TO ULTIMATELY, UH, ADDING A GARAGE. 
          ONE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER WITH THE, THE SIM MODEL THAT IS A, NOT TO GET TOO TECHNICAL, BUT THAT IS A SIX HOUR WINDOW IN TERMS OF THAT MODEL. 
          SO IT'S FROM 10 TO FOUR, AND THAT WAS THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT A MODEL AND WE HAD TO MODEL THE BUILDUP OF TRAFFIC AND ULTIMATELY THE RELIEF AT 4:00 PM SO WE COULD TRULY LOOK AT LIKE WHERE THE PEAK OCCURS. 
          AND SO THAT IS A VERY COMPLICATED MODEL TO RUN AND, AND USE AND ULTIMATELY WOULD NOT TYPICALLY BE USED IN, UM, AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SCENARIO. 
          THAT IS WHY THEY'RE MODELING THAT STRATEGY WITH ANOTHER CONSULTANT AS ANOTHER PLAN. 
          BUT WE HAD ENOUGH INPUT IN TERMS OF VOLUMES TO WHERE WE COULD COMPARE THE VOLUMES FROM THAT TRAFFIC MODELER TO WHAT WE HAD. 
          AND WE COULD ACTUALLY TAKE, LET'S TAKE OUR PEAK HOUR VOLUME IN A WORST CASE SCENARIO, LET'S DOUBLE IT TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND THEN SEND TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THE GIVEN THREAT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US BY POLICE AND FIRE. 
          SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY OUR MODEL WAS. 
          SO IT IS A, A BASELINE COMPARISON BETWEEN IF WE ARE EVACUATING FOR TWO SPECIFIC SCENARIOS AND THEN WE ADD 272 CAR, 272 CARS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? DO WE SEE ANY ACTUAL DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT CONDITION? AND THEN ONE 
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OTHER THING ON THIS SLIDE THAT WE JUST LEARNED IN TERMS OF JUST IN GENERAL THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY FROM A MODELING STANDPOINT, AND THIS CAME AGAIN FROM OUR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS BEHIND US, WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF JUST CONSOLIDATED PARKING AND IT'S IMPROVED ACCESS AND WAY FINDING. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE CONSOLIDATED LOTS, KIND OF A NO BRAINER. 
          IF YOU'VE GOT 17 DISPERSED LOTS THAT YOU HAVE TO MANAGE PEOPLE AND CARS, THAT'S A LOT OF EXTRA STAFFING. 
          IF YOU HAVE A CONSOLIDATED LOCATION, YOU CAN HAVE LESS STAFF, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET PEOPLE TO THAT LOCATION AND GET THEM OUT OF THAT THREAT A LOT QUICKER RATHER THAN THEY'RE WALKING DOWN SIX BLOCKS TO, DID I PARK IN LOT FOUR OR LOT SIX? WHERE AM I? WE HEARD ONE, WELL, SEVERAL CASES WHERE PEOPLE HIT THEIR CAR WAS STOLEN, BUT REALLY THEY JUST REMEMBER WHERE THEY PARKED. 
          SO IMAGINE THAT IN AN EMERGENCY WHERE YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR CAR, YOU THINK IT'S STOLEN AND YOU'RE ALSO PANICKED. 
          SO IT DOES HELP IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY PEOPLE MOVING, BUT, BUT STAFFING ITSELF. 
          UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY AS WE ALREADY KNOW FROM JUST EARLY ON WITH THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, IS THAT THERE'S FEW FEWER VEHICLES ON THE LOCAL ROAD. 
          SO CONSOLIDATE ADJACENT TO, UM, COLLECTOR ROADS, WHICH WILL TAKE YOU TO THE HIGHWAY THAT'S YOU'RE ABLE TO MOVE VE PEOPLE AND VEHICLES MORE EFFICIENTLY TO THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          AND, AND ONE THING IS JUST, AGAIN, THAT, THAT WAS NEWS TO ME IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABLE TO STAGE PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT. 
          IF THERE'S A PLANNED LOCATION, YOU CAN TRAIN FOR IT, AS WE'VE LEARNED IN TALKING TO, TO WESS WHO'S SITTING BEHIND ME. 
          SO IF THERE'S, IF YOU'RE PLANNING IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE FOR THAT STRUCTURE OR THAT CONSOLIDATED LOT AND YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A KNOWN QUANTITY THAT IS GOING THERE, YOU CAN BETTER PLAN FOR THAT RATHER THAN, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PARKED IN THESE 17 LOTS THAT ARE DISPERSED THROUGH THE STUDY AREA. 
          UH, SO THOSE WERE JUST KIND OF SOME, JUST MORE BIG PICTURE THAT WE GOT FROM THE EXPERTS THAT NOT NECESSARILY IS, UH, QUANTIFIABLE, BUT, BUT, UH, INFORMATION THAT THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WE START TO LOOK AT, AT CONSOLIDATION. 
          UH, THIS GRAPHIC, THIS TIES VERY SIMILAR TO, AGAIN, THOSE THOUSAND VEHICLES THAT ARE, THAT ARE CIRCULATING IN UPTOWN DURING A DESIGN DAY. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT, UM, DIFFERENT EVACUATION SCENARIOS FROM, LET'S SAY EVACUATING FROM THE THREE MUNICIPAL LOTS NORTH OF SCH NIBLEY WHEN COMPARED TO EVACUATING FROM THE GARAGE. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY HAD SOME, SOME COUNT DATA ON THE LOCAL ROADS ON SMITH WILSON AND VANDEEN, UH, FROM A STUDY FIVE YEARS AGO THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO, UH, USING THE GROWTH RATE THAT, THAT WE'VE RECOGNIZED AS PART OF THE PARKING STUDY IS PROJECT, WHAT THOSE PEAK HOUR TRIPS ARE ON JUST A GIVEN DAY. 
          AND THEN WE ADD THAT TO AN EVACUATION SCENARIO AND FIND USING SYNCHRO, WHICH I MENTIONED ANOTHER DESIGN TOOL THAT WE USE THAT LOOKS AT LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          WE SEE THAT SMITH GOES FROM A LEVEL OF SERVICE A TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          C UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS KNOWN FROM EVACUATING THESE LOTS, KNOWING WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THOSE LOTS ARE, ASSUMING THEY'RE FULL, AND THAT THIS IS A POTENTIAL ROUTE WHERE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ON A LOCAL STREET TO ULTIMATELY EXIT THE AREA IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY TO THE NORTH. 
          TO ANDY'S POINT EARLIER, THIS IS ONLY LOOKING AT CARS. 
          SO AGAIN, IN ANOTHER, IN A SCENARIO WE HAVE IN MARCH, WE'VE GOT A THOUSAND PEDESTRIANS AN HOUR WALKING IN UPTOWN. 
          IF THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY THAT REQUIRES AN IMMEDIATE EVACUATION, YOU HAVE TO GET THOSE THOUSAND PEDESTRIANS TO THEIR VEHICLES AND THEN ULTIMATELY OUT. 
          SO IN THIS SCENARIO, IF WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT CARS AND NOT PEDESTRIANS, YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THERE WOULD CERTAINLY BE AN INTERACTION BETWEEN EVACUATING PEDESTRIANS AND CARS THAT, UH, WOULD INCREASE OR DECREASE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE EVEN MORE. 
          SO REALLY WE'D BE LOOKING AT ABOUT AD OR AN E ON THOSE LOCAL STREETS WHEN COMPARED TO THE, THE FOREST CONNECTION, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE AS CONTRIBUTING LOCAL STREETS COMING IN. 
          NOR WOULD WE SEE AS MANY PEDESTRIANS WALK IN THIS AREA BECAUSE ALL THE PEDESTRIANS WOULD BE COMING ACTUALLY FROM, FROM THE EAST INTO, FROM UPTOWN AND THEY WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE STREET. 
          RIGHT? WHAT DID YOU SAY, ANDY? THEY WOULD ALSO NOT BE WALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET . 
          SO THE FIRST, THE FIRST SCENARIO THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS AN EVACUATION TO THE WEST. 
          AND THEN ONE THING SPECIFICALLY HERE TO NOTE IS WE ARE TAKING ESSENTIALLY ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC FROM THE CANYON AND ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC TO 1 79, AND WE'RE PUTTING 'EM ON TWO LANES OF WESTBOUND, UH, OR SOUTHBOUND 89 A. 
          SO JUST FROM AN OVERALL CAPACITY STANDPOINT, WE'RE TAKING, WE'RE DUMPING TRAFFIC ONTO A ROADWAY THAT HAS MORE CAPACITY TO BEGIN WITH. 
          SO IN THIS SCENARIO, WE ALREADY HAVE AN OPTIMIZED SOLUTION OF IF WE'RE BRINGING PEOPLE OUTTA THE CANYON, IF THERE'S A FIRE TO 
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THE NORTH, THERE'S A FIRE IN THE CANYON, YOU, YOU'RE BRINGING LESS LANES ONTO A MULTI-LANE HIGHWAY AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER CONDITION WHICH IS THREAT FROM THE WEST. 
          AND WE'RE EVACUATING TO THE EAST. 
          SO HONESTLY, RIGHT WHEN WE RAN THIS SCENARIO, UM, AND IN TALKING TO TO FIRE AND PD, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS ALL TRAFFIC ON THE HIGHWAY WOULD STAY ON THE HIGHWAY, BUT AT SOME POINT IN THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION, YOU'RE GOING TO MERGE OR SHIFT THAT TRAFFIC INTO THE INSIDE LANE TO ALLOW A FREE FLOW RIGHT ONTO FOREST. 
          SO RIGHT THERE YOU'RE ELIMINATING, YOU'RE CREATING AN INFINITE GAP AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY CLEAR THAT TRAFFIC IMMEDIATELY IS EFFECTIVELY FROM FROM FOREST. 
          FROM FOREST. 
          AND WE ACTUALLY, THIS IS WHERE WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC COMPARED WITH THE, THE MODEL FROM THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STUDY THAT'S ONGOING. 
          AND OURS WAS ACTUALLY HIGHER. 
          SO WE HAVE A MORE CONSERVATIVE NUMBER OF VEHICLES. 
          SO WHEN WE TAKE OUR PEAK PEAK HOUR IN MARCH AND DOUBLE IT AND SEND IT IN ONE DIRECTION, IT IS MORE TRAFFIC THAN WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT MODEL THAT'S BEING USED FOR THE OVERALL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE MORE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO EVACUATE THAN WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT MODEL. 
          SO DEFINITELY CONSERVATIVE IN TERMS OF THAT, UM, THAT PORTION OF THE STUDY, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS THE BEST I CAN GET FOR THESE SCREENS, BUT ULTIMATELY HERE YOU CAN JUST SEE THERE'S MORE CARS IN THE BASE CONDITION. 
          SO ON THE LEFT IS THE BASE CONDITION. 
          THERE'S NO GARAGE IN THIS SCENARIO. 
          THERE'S NOT 272 CAR CARS THAT WE HAVE TO GET OUT IN TWO HOURS. 
          SO WE CAN SEE THERE'S LESS CARS ON FOREST, BUT ON THE RIGHT AS WE'RE RUNNING THIS SCENARIO THAT FREE FLOW, RIGHT? AND JUST THE CONTINUED FLOW OF TRAFFIC TO THE WEST, THERE IS UH, ZERO IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE MODEL. 
          AND SO YOU'LL SEE ON THE LAST PART OF THE SLIDE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, AS WE'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THE VISIM MODEL, WE'RE LOOKING AT VEHICLE DELAY WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO COMPARE SOME OF THESE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, AND I'LL SKIP TO JUST THE RESULTS ON THIS ONE. 
          THREAT FROM THE WEST WITH OR WITHOUT A GARAGE IS, I'M SORRY, THREAT FROM THE NORTH WITH OR WITHOUT A GARAGE. 
          THE AVERAGE VEHICLE DELAY IS 62 SECONDS. 
          AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS IN OUR SYSTEM, OUR SYSTEM IS BOUNDED BY, ON THE WEST, IT'S AIRPORT ROAD ON THE NORTH, IT'S MID BRIDGE ON THE SOUTH, IT'S JUST SOUTH OF UH, SN ROUNDABOUT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE CARS THAT COME INTO THAT SYSTEM, A ZERO SECOND DELAY. 
          WE GO BACK TO THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, A FREE FLOW. 
          THERE'S NO, THERE'S ZERO DELAY. 
          YOU'RE A CAR THAT DRIVES THROUGH WITH NO FRICTION, NO IMPEDIMENTS, NOTHING. 
          SO IN OUR SCENARIO, WHICH IS AGAIN JUST OUR BASELINE CASE, WE HAVE A 62 SECOND DELAY WITH OR WITHOUT THE GARAGE SHOULD BE NOTED. 
          THIS, THIS SYSTEM IS SO EFFICIENT THAT WE ACTUALLY, IN THIS CASE DID NOT EVEN HAVE TO CONSIDER CONSOLIDATION, WHICH WOULD BE REDUCING SOME OF THOSE PARKING LOTS, THOSE DISPERSED TRAFFIC THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE CIRCULATING AND PLACING THEM ALL IN THE GARAGE. 
          WE ACTUALLY JUST ADDED 272 VEHICLES. 
          THERE'S SO MUCH CAPACITY WITHIN THIS SCENARIO THAT THERE'S, THERE'S ZERO DELAY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE MODEL TELLS US. 
          THE EVACUATION OF THE EAST BECOMES A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING 'CAUSE THE OPPOSITE, WE'RE ASCENDING TWO LANE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC TO ALREADY CONGESTED IN SOME CASES WITNESSES IN DISCUSSION WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE AS TRAFFIC MODELERS HOW TO KIND OF OPTIMIZE THE SPLITS. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT THAT YOU CAN USE TO ACTUALLY, UH, ROUTE TRAFFIC DOWN BREWER AND ULTIMATELY TO RANGER IN 1 79 YOU HAVE THE Y THAT CAN USE. 
          SO WE HAD TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT DIFFERENT POTENTIAL SPLITS. 
          AGAIN, NOT FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THE FULL EVACUATION PLAN IS. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO RUN A POTENTIAL SCENARIO FOR THIS. 
          SO THE SYSTEM ITSELF WAS ALREADY CHALLENGING TO WORK WITH 'CAUSE WE'RE SENDING TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, ESSENTIALLY SPLITTING THEM INTO ONE LANE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE OPTIMIZED SPLITS FOR THEM. 
          IN THIS CASE, WE ALSO DID CONSOLIDATE. 
          WE SAID LET'S TAKE 272 CARS FROM THE GARAGE AND ASSUME THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY CONSOLIDATED, EITHER IT'S BEEN REDEVELOPMENT AS JEREMIAH MENTIONED, AND WE'RE LOSING SOME OF THOSE PARKING SPACES. 
          OR AS PART OF OUR OVERALL STRATEGY, WHEN THE GARAGE COMES ON BOARD, WE'RE ACTUALLY COMBINING WITH CONSOLIDATION AND REDUCING THOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE ULTIMATELY LOADING ONTO THE HIGHWAY FROM DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, VERY SIMILARLY, WE HAVE MORE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON FOREST ROAD FROM THE GARAGE. 
          WE HAVE CONGESTION IN EITHER SCENARIO, AS YOU CAN SEE NORTHBOUND THROUGH JORDAN. 
          WE'RE ALREADY HAVING VEHICLES START TO CONGEST JUST SOUTH OF 
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A FOREST ROAD. 
          BUT IN A SIMILAR SCENARIO HERE, UM, WE'RE STARTING TO STACK AGAIN. 
          WE JUST IN THIS SCENARIO, IF WE HAVE A THREAT TO THE WEST AND WE HAVE TO EVACUATE TO THE NORTH OR TO THE SOUTH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROADWAY CAPACITY TO START WITH. 
          SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT, AND EMERGENCY RESPONDERS WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, DIFFERENT POTENTIAL SPLITS THROUGHOUT THOSE VEHICLES. 
          BUT AGAIN, ULTIMATELY IN THE END WHEN WE COMPARED GARAGE WITH THE BASE CONDITION, WE ARE, WE ARE SIMILAR IN TERMS OF OUR ULTIMATE DELAY. 
          IT'S A 0% INCREASE WHEN WE COMPARE THE TWO. 
          AND ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE AGAIN FROM JUST THE CONSERVATIVE NATURE OF OUR EVALUATION WAS WE STILL, FROM OUR ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA AND FROM OUR TRAFFIC COUNTS, WE'RE STILL ASSUMING NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GETTING EVACUATED. 
          SO IN THIS SCENARIO, WE'RE ASSUMING ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S SOUTH ALONG BREWER IS BEING EVACUATED AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY ENTERING INTO THE SYSTEM AND CREATING SOME OF THOSE DELAYS WHEN POTENTIALLY IF YOU HAVE A THREAT FROM THE WEST, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A FIRE, YOU ULTIMATELY IMPLEMENT SHELTER IN PLACE. 
          SO NO ONE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LEAVING THAT. 
          SO IT WOULD NOT BE CONGESTING YOUR ROADWAY NETWORK, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE MORE PEOPLE AT HOME. 
          SO IN OUR CASE, WE JUST TOOK THE VOLUMES DOUBLE IT AND SAID, LET'S JUST SEE FOR A COMPARATIVE SAKE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO I WOULD SAY OUR, OUR MODEL IS INCREDIBLY CONSERVATIVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE COMPARE THE VOLUMES TO, UM, THE, THE MODEL THAT'S BEING USED IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, BUT WITH THESE TWO CASES WE DO NOT SEE AN IMPACT IN TERMS OF DELAYS. 
          IF A GARAGE IS IS LOCATED ON FOREST ROW, NOW I'M DONE. 
          AND IN GENERAL, YOU, YOU'RE TAKING LIGHT ON THIS ONE. 
          YEAH, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THANKS TO OUR AUDIENCE FOR STICKING WITH THIS. 
          THIS IS, UH, A LOT OF REALLY TECHNICAL INFORMATION, BUT WE WANTED YOU TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT OUR, UH, TASK FORCE, UM, HAD IN TERMS OF THEIR TOOLBOX FOR EVALUATING SOME OF THESE CRITERIA. 
          IT'S GROWING. 
          YES. 
          OH YEAH. 
          PEOPLE KEEP SHOWING UP 'CAUSE YOU'RE, SO, THE, THE, UH, THE SECOND QUESTION ON THE PARKING FRONT, UH, WE WERE ASKED TO ADDRESS, UH, USING THE BEST, UH, ANALYTICAL APPROACH WE COULD WAS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A NEED FOR PARKING, UH, WHICH WE ADDRESSED PREVIOUSLY, UM, WOULD THE GARAGE NORTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD STILL BE THE BEST OPTION? UM, AND SO, UH, WE'VE, WE STOPPED USING THE TERM ALTERNATIVE IN AT SOME POINT IN OUR TASK FORCE MEETING. 
          UH, ALTERNATIVE, UM, KIND OF, UH, IMPLIES THAT YOU ARE EVALUATING ONE GARAGE LOCATION OVER ANOTHER GARAGE LOCATION. 
          AND WE DID NOT WANT THAT CONNOTATION TIED TO WHAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH. 
          WE WANTED TO PHRASE THESE AS OPTIONS. 
          AND SO THE QUESTION WAS, UH, WHATEVER OPTION WE SELECT FOR UPTOWN SEDONA, UM, HOW ARE WE GONNA MEASURE IT AGAINST OTHER POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS? AND WE TOOK THE TASK FORCE THROUGH A WHITEBOARD EXERCISE TO DISCUSS, UM, SOME OF OUR GOALS OR THEIR GOALS AS THE COMMUNITY. 
          I SHOULDN'T SAY OUR, I I DON'T LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          UH, I BRING OUTSIDE EXPERTISE, UH, HOPEFULLY OBJECTIVELY. 
          SO, UM, BUT WHAT WOULD, UH, THE, THE PARKING AND MOBILITY SYSTEM ACCOMPLISH, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY IF FULLY IMPLEMENTED? AND WE CONSOLIDATED OUR DISCUSSION OVER THE WHITEBOARD OVER A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WE DISCUSSED AND REF REFINED THE LANGUAGE. 
          AND I WILL SAY THIS TABLE BEFORE YOU HAS GONE THROUGH, UH, A NUMBER OF ITERATIONS WHERE WE RESPONDED TO TASK FORCE DISCUSSION, COMMENTS CHANGED THE LANGUAGE, CHANGED SOME OF THE METRICS AROUND, MADE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER. 
          AND SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH OUR REPORT, YOU WILL SEE, UH, THIS SAME TABLE EVOLVE OVER THE COURSE OF, UH, FOUR OR FIVE MEETINGS TO COME TO A SET OF MEASURABLE CRITERIA. 
          AND SO SIMPLY STATED, UH, THE GOALS HERE IN THE LEFTMOST COLUMN ARE THE CRITERIA THAT WE THINK THE BEST OPTION FOR PARKING AND MOBILITY SHOULD ADDRESS. 
          UM, AND TO PARAPHRASE, UM, THEY ARE IN ORDER OF THE TASK FORCE'S PRIORITIES, UH, REDUCE THE VEHICLE CONGESTION, UM, PRIORITIZE THE SAFETY FOR ALL MODES AND PRESERVE THAT EMERGENCY, UH, VEHICLE ACCESS AND EGRESS IMPROVE THE WALKABILITY, BIKEABILITY AND ADA, WHICH IS AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT. 
          SO HANDICAP PARKING, UH, IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, ACCESS WITHIN THE UPTOWN DISTRICT, UH, MAKE OUR PUBLIC PARKING SYSTEM EASY TO FIND, NAVIGATE, PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND HISTORIC CHARM OF SEDONA AND RIGHT-SIZE, THE PUBLIC PARKING IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHER AXIS IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND THEN THE METRICS GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'VE 
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ASKED OUR TASK FORCE TO CONSIDER UNDER EACH CRITERIA. 
          AS I STATED EARLIER, OUR INTENTION WAS NOT TO REVISIT THE 2019 WALTER P. MOORE STUDY. 
          UH, WHEN COMPARING THE FEASIBILITY OF ONE SITE OVER ANOTHER, THE CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD TEND TO LOOK AT IS GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR FROM ONE CONSULTANT TO ANOTHER. 
          UM, IS THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE OR CONSOLIDATION WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LOOK AT? UM, IT'S GREAT TO THROW OUT ALL SORTS OF OPTIONS FOR PROPERTY THAT THE CITY DOESN'T OWN, UM, OR ARE OTHERWISE UNBUILDABLE BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS OR MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, OR THE OWNERS JUST AREN'T REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN SELLING IT FOR, UH, FOR THE CITY PURPOSES OF BUILDING A GARAGE OR A PUBLIC PARKING LOT. 
          AND SO THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY DID A GOOD JOB OF CHECKING THROUGH ALL THE CRITERIA. 
          IS THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST? DOES IT CREATE ANY VISUAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS TO BUILD, UH, THAT LOCATION? IS IT LARGE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE AN EFFICIENT FOOTPRINT FOR EITHER SURFACE OR STRUCTURED PARKING? SO YOU CAN SEE A COUPLE OF THESE SITES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY EVALUATED WERE NOT RECONSIDERED. 
          THEY DIDN'T MEET THE BASIC MINIMUM CRITERIA NEEDED TO BUILD, UM, PUBLIC SURFACE OR GARAGE PARKING. 
          AND SO PRESENTING THESE TO THE TASK FORCE, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON WHAT OPTIONS WE SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, LOOKING AT PROJECTED FUTURE PUBLIC PARKING DEFICITS. 
          UH, WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE OPTION OF BUILD NO NEW PARKING OR MAKE NO CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM. 
          I'LL LET DEFICITS JUST EXIST. 
          UM, THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION, UM, TO BUILD INTERCEPT PARKING LOTS. 
          UH, WE, THROUGHOUT THE POSSE FAIRGROUNDS LOCATION OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, UH, WELL OUTSIDE OF THE UPTOWN AREA AS, UH, POSSIBLE LOCATIONS, UM, BUILD A SURFACE LOT WHERE THE NORTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD GARAGE WAS BEING CONSIDERED AT SITE F. 
          UM, AFTER SOME DISCUSSION OF THIS, UH, THE NEED FOR A RESTROOM, UM, AND THEN SOME LANDSCAPING CONSIDERATION, THAT LOCATION WOULD YIELD ABOUT 80 STALLS IF IT WAS CONVERTED TO SURFACE PARKING. 
          UM, BUILD THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD, ALSO LOCATION F UH, AS DESIGNED. 
          THERE WAS ONE, UH, SUBTERRANEAN LEVEL AND TWO ELEVATED LEVELS, UH, TO KEEP THE VIEW CORRIDORS, UM, LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF THE NEW GARAGE THAT WOULD YIELD 7 272 SPACES. 
          ANOTHER GARAGE, UM, OPTION THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY WOULD BE A LARGER STRUCTURE ON THE MUNICIPAL LOT. 
          UH, LOT B UM, ON OUR GRAPHIC, UH, WE DISCUSSED THE IDEA OF CONSOLIDATING PUBLIC SURFACE LOTS AT FOREST ROAD. 
          SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE BUILDING OUT F AS PUBLIC PARKING, SEEING WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH PROPERTY G. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          THERE WOULD BE, UH, ONE DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE FIRE STATION AND SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARKING BUILT ON LOT G. 
          UM, ONE OF THE PIECES OF INFORMATION THERE WAS THAT, UH, THERE IS, UH, KIND OF A HOLE IN THE DONUT, SO TO SPEAK, WITH LOT G, UM, BECAUSE OF AN EASEMENT WITH AN EXISTING, UM, UH, CELL TOWER AND, UH, ANOTHER SMALL BUILDING THAT WOULD NOT BE RELOCATED. 
          AND SO, UH, THE YIELD THERE IS, IS NOT, NOT ACTUALLY THAT HIGH, BUT IT WOULD ADD SOME AMOUNT OF PUBLIC PARKING. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO OPTIONS TO CONSOLIDATE PARKING, UH, AROUND, UM, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UM, AT LOT, UM, MUNICIPAL LOT B. 
          AND THEN THE LAST OPTION, UH, DISCUSSED BY THE TASK FORCE THAT WAS ADDED WAS TO BUILD, UH, THE NEW GARAGE, UM, ON SITE F AS AS WE HAD DISCUSSED. 
          AND THEN ALSO TO CONSOLIDATE, UM, PUBLIC PARKING AT LOCATIONS G AND B. 
          WE ASKED THE TASK FORCE, UH, TO TAKE THE INFORMATION WE HAD PROVIDED ON OUR PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS. 
          A LOT OF WHAT, UH, WE HAD JUST PRESENTED, UH, DID COME LATER IN THE PROCESS. 
          BUT, UH, WE HAD A TASK FORCE MEETING LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT, UH, THE TRAFFIC AND ALSO THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION. 
          AND WE COLLECTED SCORING FROM THE TASKFORCE MEMBERS ACROSS THOSE CRITERIA THAT I HAD PRESENTED EARLIER AND AGAINST THESE SEVEN OPTIONS THAT WE HAD JUST PRESENTED. 
          AND THOUGH THERE WAS NOT CONSENSUS AMONG TASKFORCE MEMBERS, THERE WAS THOSE THAT CAME AWAY FROM OUR ANALYSIS, STILL FEELING VERY STRONGLY THAT, UH, ANY GARAGE, ANY OPTION, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN, UH, SAY BUILDING A NEW GARAGE WOULD, WOULD STILL BE PREFERABLE. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT MET SOME OF THE OTHER CRITERIA IN A BETTER WAY. 
          UH, WE DID FIND THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR TASK FORCE FELT THAT THE OPTION TO BUILD THE NEW GARAGE AT 
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LOCATION F AND CONSOLIDATE PUBLIC PARKING, UM, SCORED THE HIGHEST AGAINST, UM, ALL OF THE MEASURABLE CRITERIA THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT, UM, UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, KIMLEY HORN WAS ASKED TO, UM, TO EVALUATE THIS, UH, ON A VERY OBJECTIVE, UM, BASIS. 
          UM, I'M ACTUALLY OUT OF OUR DENVER OFFICE. 
          I SPECIALIZE IN PARKING AND MOBILITY. 
          UH, WE DO THIS ALL ACROSS MOUNTAIN COMMUNITIES. 
          SO, UM, I CAN TELL YOU OBJECTIVELY, UM, WHEN ANDREW APPROACHED ME WITH THE PROJECT AND SAID THEY'RE CONSIDERING A PARKING GARAGE ON FOREST ROAD, I TOOK A LOOK AT A TWO D GOOGLE EARTH AND I SAID, GEE, THAT WOULD BE NICER TO BE A LITTLE CLOSER TO SOME OF THE BUSINESSES. 
          I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE BEST LOCATION FOR IT. 
          UM, THROUGH OUR EVALUATION PROCESS, I WOULD, UH, CONCUR WITH THE SCORING THAT THE TASK FORCE, UH, CAME UP WITH THAT. 
          UM, HAVING EVALUATED ALL OF THESE FACTORS IN A MUCH MORE CAREFUL AND REFINED FASHION, THAT IF IN FACT, UH, IT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS PROJECTED PARKING DEFICITS, UM, WE DID NOT AS A CONSULTANT TEAM SEE ANY OTHER BETTER OPTION, UM, THAN THE ONE PRESENTED HERE ON THIS TABLE, WHICH WOULD BE TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE AND THEN CONSOLIDATE PUBLIC PARKING LOTS ONTO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF UPTOWN. 
          IT, UH, IT TRULY CHECKS THE BOXES IN TERMS OF IMPROVING, UH, WALKABILITY, UM, AND ALLOWING FOR A POOL OF PARKING THAT VISITORS CAN FIND EASILY, UM, AS THEY ARRIVE IN UPTOWN AND LIMIT THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, UH, ON SURFACE STREETS AND ARTERIALS AS PEOPLE CIRCULATE LOOKING FOR THOSE RESOURCES. 
          OH, THAT WAS ABRUPT . 
          SO I HATE TO DO THIS, BUT I'M GONNA GO BACK AND VERY QUICKLY CLARIFY SOMETHING 'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL COME UP AGAIN LATER WHEN THIS IS ON. 
          WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, ANGELA, LET'S JUST LET THE AUDIENCE KNOW THERE'S ONLY LIKE ONE OR TWO SLIDES LEFT. 
          ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, ONCE I CLARIFY THIS, WE'RE DONE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          EVEN BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. 
          THAT WAS A LOT. 
          MM-HMM, , UH, I THINK I PASSED IT. 
          I'M LOOKING FOR THE TRANSIT SLIDE. 
          STRETCH TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S RIGHT AFTER RIGHT AFTER TRAFFIC. 
          YEAH, THERE, IT'S OKAY. 
          SO SOMEONE MIGHT ASK, OKAY, I POINTED OUT THE FACT THAT APPROXIMATE, UM, WHAT PAGE IS THAT IN PARKING? UM, ON THE, ON THE, THE COMPUTER ON YOUR SLIDES? YES. 
          I COULDN'T GUESS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY, GO FOR IT ANYWAY. 
          UM, SOMEONE MIGHT ASK, OKAY, APPROXIMATE PARKING AT POSSY GROUNDS WORKS WELL WITH SOLDIER PASS. 
          WHY DOES PARKING AT THE NORTH SR 1 79 PARK RIDE WORK FOR CATHEDRAL? I NOTICED A COUNCIL MEMBER SMILE AT ME WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I'M GONNA GO BACK AND CLARIFY THIS. 
          THE REASON, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON HERE. 
          ONE, THERE, THERE IS APPROXIMATE PARKING IN THAT AREA AND THAT IS WELL UTILIZED. 
          WHAT AREA? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH SR 1 79 PARK AND RIDE IN CONNECTION TO THE CATHEDRAL ROCK TRAILHEAD. 
          SO WHY DOES THIS PARKING WORK? WELL, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE REASON THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONTROL THAT PARKING. 
          AND WE HAD TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN WE DIDN'T BLOCK THAT PARKING OUT, VISITORS WOULD PUSH PAST CONGESTION AND THEY TOTALLY LOCKED DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO CONTROL THE PARKING. 
          SO YES, IF WE WERE ABLE TO LOCK DOWN PARKING IN UPTOWN, THEN YOU COULD GET AN INTERCEPT LOT TO WORK. 
          BUT THAT IS JUST NOT FEASIBLE. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONLY CLARIFICATION I WANTED TO MAKE. 
          AND WE'RE DONE, MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          KATHY, JUST IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, I DON'T MISS ANYTHING. 
          SHOULD WE TAKE A QUICK TWO MINUTE BREAK NOW BEFOREHAND, OR I WAS JUST GONNA, THE VICE MAYOR ALREADY SUGGESTED SHE'S A STEP AHEAD OF YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE JUST A TWO MINUTE BREAK. 
          TWO, TWO, TWO TWO, TEN THREE. 
          NO TWO MINUTES. 
          DON'T GO ANYWHERE. 
          JUST WAS SITTING A LONG TIME. 
          AL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT LEFT WORK TO COME HERE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A GROUP OF, UH, RESIDENTS THAT ARE SPEAKING THAT THEY'RE MOSTLY RETIRED. 
          I THINK MAYBE ONE'S NOT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE NOT RETIRED AND HAVE TO GET BACK TO WORK. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND ALSO I HAVE BROKEN OUT, BROKEN OUT. 
          THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PART OF THE COMMITTEE, THAT WOULD BE MR. COHEN, MR. ZANI, UH, MR. WISE AND 
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JESSE ALEXANDER. 
          THEY'RE PART OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          THEY'LL HAVE, UH, SIX MINUTES TO PRESENT BECAUSE THEY ARE SPEAKING OF AUTHORITY FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          SO WE, THEY'RE GONNA GO AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THE RESIDENT GROUP, WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOU GO TOWARD AT THE END SO THAT WE COULD WORK, UH, WITH SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          SO, UM, OKAY. 
          UH, AND IS, UH, JAMES NELSON PART OF YOUR GROUP? OKAY. 
          SO JAMES NELSON, IF YOU WANNA COME UP, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          YOU HAVE A CLOCK UP OVER HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND BEFORE YOU BEGIN, I WANT TO ALSO GET MR. ROBERT MASTERS TO COME UP ON DECK. 
          WE WANNA TRY TO KEEP THIS MOVING, BUT EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          YOU HAVE TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND, UH, CITY OF RESIDENCE. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THE ADDRESS UNLESS YOU WANT TO. 
          IF YOU WANNA GIVE, IF YOU'RE, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS HERE, UH, IN THE CITY, YOU COULD SHARE THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GO. 
          ALL RIGHT, MY NAME IS JAMES NELSON. 
          I AM FROM CLARKDALE, ARIZONA, AND I WORK FOR JP RETAIL. 
          WE MANAGE SIX BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN SEDONA. 
          I DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC DAY TO DAY AND I HAVE A LOT OF ONE-ON-ONE TIME WITH THEM. 
          AND A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT I'M GETTING FROM CUSTOMERS NOW AND OUR GUESTS THAT COME TO OUR TOWN IS COMPLETE FRUSTRATION BETWEEN SITTING IN TRAFFIC FROM ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20 TO 30, 40 TO AN HOUR, AND THEN RIDING AROUND IN UPTOWN LOOKING FOR TRA FOR PARKING. 
          IT'S JUST COMPLETE FRUSTRATION WHEN THEY GET INTO UPTOWN. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY UPSET, SO THEREFORE THEY'RE REDUCING THEIR SPENDING AND ALSO TAX DOLLARS. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT I'M SEEING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. 
          SO JUST WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE, OKAY? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ROBERT MASS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY RANDY, UH, MC GRANDY. 
          YOU, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M ROBERT MASTERS. 
          I'M A LOCAL RESIDENT, UH, OF SEDONA. 
          I'VE LIVED HERE IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT OF STONE FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS. 
          RECENTLY CAME BACK AND RETIRED. 
          I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES, UH, IN SEDONA. 
          UM, SOME, SOME OF THEM VERY, VERY GOOD. 
          UM, AND, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE. 
          I WAS ONE OF THE COMING IN TODAY. 
          I NOTICED THAT I WAS, COULDN'T FIND PARKING HERE. 
          AND, UH, I WAS ONE OF THOSE COACHES THAT THAT WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE. 
          AND I WAS ALSO HOLDING UP TRAFFIC. 
          UH, SO I CIRCLED BACK AND, AND FOUND A SPACE HOPEFULLY LEGALLY. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT I DID. 
          I'M ALSO ONE OF THOSE THOUSAND PEOPLE LOOKING FOR SPACES. 
          WHO'S FINDING THOSE? ONE OF 330 SPACES THAT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT? I'VE DONE THAT FREQUENTLY. 
          BUT AS A RESIDENT, I WILL TELL YOU THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DON'T GO UPTOWN IS BECAUSE THERE'S FEW PLACES TO PARK. 
          IT TAKES AN AWFUL LONG TIME. 
          AND I CERTAINLY WOULD, UH, COME UP MORE FREQUENTLY IF I KNEW I COULD COME UP EASILY. 
          AND, AND I CAN'T. 
          WHAT I TELL MY RELATIVES WHEN THEY DO COME UP FROM PHOENIX AND OTHER PLACES, THAT YOU NEED TO COME IN ON TUESDAY, BUT YOU NEED TO LEAVE BY THURSDAY, . 
          SO, I MEAN, AND I THINK WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THAT. 
          MY BACKGROUND BEFORE RETIRED WAS 33 YEARS WORKING FOR A MAJOR INSURER OF AN ACCIDENT, INJURY, CAUSATION. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS, AND I'M SURE YOU COULD CONCUR WITH ME, WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONGESTION, EITHER WITH PEDESTRIANS OR AUTOMOBILES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE ACCIDENTS IF YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD FLOW, YOU WILL HAVE REAR END ACCIDENTS. 
          YOU CAN HAVE INJURIES. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE ACCIDENTS, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WHAT? MORE CONGESTION. 
          'CAUSE NOW YOU HAVE CARS PULLED OFF AND YOU'VE GOT THREE OR FOUR HOURS OF CONGESTION TRYING TO RECONSTRUCT THAT ACCIDENT I'VE SEEN THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 
          UM, AND SO MY WORK EXPERIENCE IS JUST THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T WANT TO SEE, UM, US TEAR DOWN A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND PUT UP A PARKING LOT. 
          I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE A JONI MISSILE MITCHELL S SONG, BUT NONETHELESS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          AND, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE PURSUED. 
          UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, ROBERT. 
          OKAY. 
          RANDY'S NEXT, FOLLOWED BY ERNIE STRAU. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCILORS. 
          RANDY MCGRAIN, UH, PHOENIX IS MY RESIDENCE. 
          UH, WE ARE ON THE BEST WESTERN AND UPTOWN. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PASSION OF RESIDENTS IN THIS TOWN. 
          UM, THEY LOVE THIS PLACE AND I RESPECT THAT THE CITY, UH, TOOK AN ACTION. 
          A PROJECT THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED WAS UNDERWAY TO SAY, LET'S PAUSE AND LISTEN AND DO THE STUDY. 
          I VOLUNTEERED IN 2019 AS PART OF THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT WORKED ON THE SITE SELECTION, WORKED ON THE STUDY. 
          I WAS TIRED OF LISTENING TO THAT GUY, . 
          AND IT WAS, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN MANY SITE SELECTIONS, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. 
          IT WAS A VERY WELL RUN PROCESS. 
          UM, UH, NO PREDETERMINED 
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OUTCOME. 
          UM, AND THEN WHEN IT WENT TO THE COUNCIL, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED. 
          'CAUSE WHAT WAS ULTIMATELY PROPOSED WAS A BOLD SOLUTION. 
          IT WAS A REAL PARKING GARAGE. 
          IT WAS AN EXPENSIVE SOLUTION BECAUSE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO PUT IT DOWN INTO THE GROUND SO IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. 
          UM, I'VE BUILT A LOT OF THINGS IN MY CAREER. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY, IT'S A GORGEOUS GARAGE. 
          UM, I, UH, READ LAST NIGHT, I DUNNO WHY THE UPDATED STUDY, UM, LIKE WHAT DID WE MISS THE FIRST TIME? AND I REALLY, FIRST OF ALL, VERY, VERY THOROUGH ANALYSIS. 
          THIS STUFF IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT. 
          UM, BUT I, I COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING IN THAT STUDY THAT, THAT COUNTERMANDED WHAT WE RECOMMENDED BACK THEN AND WHAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED BACK THEN. 
          AND I'VE HEARD THIS COUNCIL TALK A FEW TIMES, UM, THAT, THAT BEING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE EASIEST JOB IN THE WORLD. 
          UM, AND THE DECISIONS YOU GUYS HAVE TO MAKE ARE DIFFICULT. 
          AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY YOU WALK OUTTA THE ROOM WHERE EVERYBODY LIKES YOU. 
          SO HOW DO YOU MAKE DECISIONS? WHAT I'VE HEARD YOU GUYS SAY PUBLICLY, YOU MAKE 'EM BASED ON DATA. 
          THE DATA IS OVERWHELMING HERE. 
          I JUST CANNOT FIND DATA AND STATISTICS THAT, THAT LEAD TO A CONCLUSION OTHER THAN TO MOVE FORWARD THIS GARAGE. 
          AND I, I'VE, I LOVE THE SIM, I LOVE THE SEDONA. 
          I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT WE GET THAT IN PLACE. 
          IT'S A VERY LONG PROCESS TO DO ALL THE PIECES IN SEQUENCE. 
          THIS GARAGE IS A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF IT. 
          THE LOCATION, THE CONFIGURATION, HOW IT TIES TO THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, THIS IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN. 
          I WOULD HAVE, I WOULD STRUGGLE TO SEE HOW THE TRANSIT PLAN WORKS WELL WITHOUT THIS IMPORTANT PIECE. 
          UH, SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL, UH, TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RANDY. 
          ERNIE STRAU, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, BEVERLY GA GALLER. 
          CRAFTMAN. 
          CRAFTON, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OKAY, THANK YOU MAYOR JABLON. 
          AND COUNCIL. 
          I'M ERNIE STRAU, AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          WHILE PREPARING THIS MESSAGE, I DISCOVERED AN IMPORTANT FACT. 
          ARE YOU READY? THERE ARE NO TELEPHONE BOOTHS IN UPTOWN, NOT A SINGLE ONE. 
          HOW WOULD PEOPLE COMMUNICATE IN AN, IN THE EVENT OF AN ACCIDENT OR MEDICAL EMERGENCY? OH,  GEE, IN THE 21ST CENTURY, WE CARRY A SMARTPHONE WITH US EVERYWHERE. 
          IT'S A SUPER COMPUTER WITH COMMUNICATIONS, GPS AND EVEN LOCATION FINDING. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, HOW DOES IT RELATE TO UPTOWN PARKING AND SOLUTIONS? YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS HEADED SINCE HIGH. 
          AND OTHERS HAVE SENT YOU INFORMATION ABOUT A 21ST CENTURY SOLUTION BEING USED IN ASPEN, AR, ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, TORONTO, MONTREAL, AND EDMONTON. 
          FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE, I'M REFERRING TO A MODERN PARKING SOLUTION OFFERED BY A CANADIAN FIRM CALLED 11 HYPHEN X@ELEVENHYPHENX.COM. 
          THE KIMLEY HORNE ANALYSIS REPORT, IN MY OPINION, FOCUSED ON TWO MAJOR ISSUES, BOTH INTERRELATED. 
          FIRST, THE ISSUE OF EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC CIRCULATING TO FIND A PARKING PLACE. 
          AND SECOND, THE PERCEIVED NEED TO CENTRALIZED PARKING FOR ENHANCED TRANSIT PERFORMANCE. 
          THE FIRST ISSUE, CIRCULATING TRAFFIC HAS TWO FLAWS BY THEIR OWN OMISSION. 
          AND I QUOTE, QUOTE, THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS STUDY INCLUDED A SPECIFIC FOCUS ON THE NEED FOR A GARAGE AND OR OTHER OPTIONS TO ADDRESS THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IDENTIFIED BY THE STAKEHOLDER TASK FORCE. 
          THEREFORE, PARKING MANAGEMENT AND POLICY WERE NOT EVALUATED IN DEPTH, BUT THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT IS NEEDED AND PROVIDED BY THE COMPANY. 
          11 FLAW. 
          TWO PEAK NEED DURING ANALYSIS IS BY NOON TO 3:00 PM WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE 275, UH, 78 SPOTS IN THE PARKING GARAGE OUT OF ROUGHLY A THOUSAND NEEDED FILL UP BY 11:00 AM WON'T TRAFFIC BACK UP ON FOREST ROAD. 
          AND FOR THE HIGHEST NEED PERIOD, CARS WILL STILL BE CIRCULATING. 
          WHAT HAVE YOU SOLVED? YOU NEED PARKING MANAGEMENT. 
          THE SECOND ISSUE, CENTRALIZED PARKING IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY AS A PARKING GARAGES AS WELL AS THE NORTHERN CITY LOT OR THE PARKING GARAGE ONLY ADDRESS LESS THAN HALF THE NEED. 
          ALSO, YOUR STAFF REPORTS, QUOTE, NO FINAL DETERMINATIONS REGARDING WHICH SPECIFIC PARKING AREAS 
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AND EXACTLY HOW MANY SPACES WOULD BE CONSOLIDATED, ELIMINATED. 
          THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN MADE. 
          IN CONCLUSION, ERNIE NIE, I BELIEVE. 
          ERNIE. 
          ERNIE, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOUR TIME HAS STOPPED. 
          OKAY. 
          I WANT JUST LET YOU FINISH YOUR, YOUR SENTENCE, BUT I CAN'T LET YOU GO. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE . 
          WE'VE GOT 42 PEOPLE THAT WE SHOULD SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY, BEVERLY, IT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY LONNIE LILY, RESIDENTS, CITIZENS. 
          CAN YOU BRING THE MIC DOWN TO YOURSELF? START WITH YOUR NAME. 
          OH, YES. 
          AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. 
          SEDONA UPTOWN. 
          YOUR NAME? UH, GALA CRAFT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO RETHINK THIS ISSUE WITH A NEW PERSPECTIVE. 
          OUR WISEST CHOICE AT THIS TIME IS TO LET THE FIRE STATION HAVE THIS LOCATION. 
          OUR TOP PRIORITY SHOULD BE OUR FIRST DEFENSE IN A LINE OF FIRES. 
          AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THE WEST HAS HAD, HAD HORRIFIC ISSUES. 
          WE'VE WITNESSED LENA PARADISE, IT GOES ON. 
          AND THE VERY BEST LOCATION FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION TO MODERNIZE, EXPAND, AND KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES WE FIND OURSELVES IN UPDATE WATER, PIPES ISSUES, HYDRANTS WITH THIS 10 MILL BUDGET. 
          THE FIRE STATION AT THIS LOCATION HAS TWO EXITS AND IT'LL BE THERE FOR EVACUATION. 
          LET US TOGETHER DO WHAT'S BEST, SAFEST FOR ALL AND BEAUTY FOR SEDONA, PROTECTOR AND GIVER, OUR WISEST CHOICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          LONNIE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, BOB CONSCIOUS CON IGN CONSTANT. 
          UH, I, I CLOSE, CLOSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE FROM PINK JEEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. 
          COUNSELORS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TODAY. 
          MY NAME'S LONNIE LILY. 
          I'M A 39 YEAR RESIDENT HERE IN SEDONA. 
          YES, THAT MEANS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE LONGER THAN THE CITY HAS BEEN A CITY OF SEDONA. 
          I STARTED WORKING AT THE ORIGINAL HIDEAWAY RESTAURANT IN 1984 FOR 18 AND A HALF YEARS. 
          AND THEN I MOVED OVER TO THE HOTEL BUSINESS FOR MY, FOR THE FIRST 17 YEARS AT THE BEST WESTERN ROBLEY IN UPTOWN. 
          SO I'VE WORKED IN UPTOWN AND I'M CURRENTLY IN WEST SEDONA, HAVING LIVED AND WORKED AND CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COMMUNITY FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS. 
          I ADMIT THAT SOMETIMES I LONG FOR THE GOOD OLD DAYS. 
          DO I LONG FOR THE DAYS WHEN THE ST. 
          PATRICK'S DAY PARADE RAN ON 80 9:00 AM WEST SEDONA. 
          I DO, DO I LONG FOR THE DAYS WHEN I WAVED AT EVERY OTHER CAR GOING DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE I KNOW EACH OTHER. 
          I DO. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT TIMES CHANGE AND GROWTH HAPPENS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LIVE IN AN AREA AS BEAUTIFUL AS SEDONA. 
          I HAVE SHARED WITH SOME OF YOU THE STORY OF THE SHELBY ROAD PROJECT THAT TOOK PLACE BY MY HOUSE WHEN THEY CLOSED SHELBY. 
          THEY HAD TO REROUTE ALL TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. 
          ALL CARS, TRUCKS, CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES DROVE BY MY HOUSE ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. 
          WHAT DID I TELL OUR CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE I KNOW AT THE END PRODUCT WOULD BE, AND I UNDERSTOOD THIS WAS THE GREATER GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT IS WHAT I'M ASKING ALL OF YOU TO CONSIDER AS OUR CITY COUNCIL. 
          WHAT IS THE GREATER GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR NOW AND THE FUTURE? I BELIEVE ONE OF OUR MANY JOBS, ONE OF YOUR MANY JOBS, IS TO MANAGE TRAFFIC. 
          DOES THIS PROJECT NOT HELP IN THAT SOLUTION? I BELIEVE IT DOES. 
          PAST COUNCILS AND YOU HAVE SPENT SO MUCH TIME AND MONEY OVER $4 MILLION, I BELIEVE, ON THIS PROJECT WITH STUDIES, PLANS, LAND PURCHASES AND SO ON. 
          WITH ALL OF THE STUDIES COMING BACK WITH THE SAME END GAME THAT A PARKING GARAGE IS NEEDED, HOW MUCH MORE OF THE BED AND SALES TAX MONEY ARE YOU GONNA SPEND TO FIND A COMPANY THAT TELLS YOU WHAT YOU WANNA HEAR? AGAIN, DO I LONG FOR THE DAYS WHEN SEDONA WAS SMALLER, WHEN THERE WAS NOT ONLY A FEWER VISITORS, BUT ALSO FEWER RESIDENTS? SURE, SURE. 
          BUT I'M ALSO NOT NAIVE AND EGOTISTICAL ENOUGH TO THINK THAT I CAN SAY, I LIVE HERE NOW. 
          LET'S PUT A GATE UP AND DRAW, PULL UP THE DRAWBRIDGE AND NOT LET ANYBODY ELSE HERE. 
          VISITORS ARE GONNA COME LIKE IT OR NOT. 
          AND THIS IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE THEM. 
          YOU HAVE AN AMAZING TEAM THAT IS TELLING YOU WHAT IS NEEDED. 
          THIS IS WHY YOU HIRED THEM, YOU'VE PROMOTED THEM. 
          LISTEN TO THEM. 
          THEY HAVE NO POLITICAL GAME IN THIS. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF SEDONA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU LENNY. 
          OKAY. 
          BOB WILL BE FOLLOWED BY KAREN STRAU. 
          GREAT. 
          BOB, WHAT'S YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          BOB IAN. 
          UH, CITY OF SEDONA, A RECENT TRANSPLANT TO SEDONA FROM COLORADO. 
          SO 
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VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE AND REPRESENTING PINK JEEPS. 
          PINK JEEPS IS CALLED, UH, SEDONA HOME SINCE 1960. 
          UH, WE'RE A VESTED COMMUNITY PARTNER. 
          WE'RE A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER AND WE'RE A VESTED, UH, BUSINESS PARTNER. 
          UM, JUST EXHIBIT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT PARTNERSHIP. 
          YESTERDAY, 10 OF US FROM PINK JEEPS WENT OUT AND WALKED THE TRAILS AND COLLECTED ABOUT 157 POUNDS OF TRASH OFF THE TRAILS. 
          IT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TRAILS. 
          WE SUPPORT THIS. 
          I SUPPORT THIS AS REPRESENTING BIG JINKS AND BEING A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. 
          AND LIKE MY FRIEND, THE VISIT, UH, BUSINESS, UH, REPRESENTATIVE SAID A LOT OF OUR GUESTS CALL, UM, LOOKING FOR PARKING, LOOKING FOR TOURS. 
          IT'S A MAJOR FRUSTRATION FOR THEM. 
          WE'RE A MAJOR GENERATOR OF REVENUE AND TAX INCOME FOR THE CITY. 
          SO WE SUPPORT THIS. 
          WE THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          UM, PRE-PLANNING, SIGNAGE, ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          BOB, BOB, CAN YOU JUST PULL THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU? PEOPLE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          SURE. 
          PRE-PLANNING, SIGNAGE, ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          WAY FINDING SIGNAGE, ALL THAT'S GONNA HELP. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A GREAT SOLUTION. 
          I APPLAUD THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND HOPE THE CITY, UH, ENDORSES US. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU BOB. 
          KAREN STRAU WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, WENDY, UH, ROOT. 
          I'M KAREN STRAU AND I'VE LIVED HERE 25 YEARS, I BELIEVE . 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA FINISH PART OF ER'S UH, PRESENTATION HERE BECAUSE THERE IS A WAY INSTEAD OF A PARKING GARAGE TO USE THIS APP ON THE PHONE TO TELL WHETHER PARKING PLACES AND IT, IT CAN BE DOWNLOADED. 
          IT'S VERY EASY TO DO SO. 
          THIS CENTRALIZED PARKING IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY, IT'S A PARKING GARAGE AS WELL AS THE NORTHERN CITY LOT ONLY ADDRESSES LESS THAN HALF THE NEED. 
          ALSO YOUR STAFF REPORTS NO FINAL DETERMINATIONS REGARDING THE SPECIFIC PARKING AREAS AND EXACTLY HOW MANY SPACES WOULD BE CONSOLIDATED, ELIMINATED, HAVE BEEN MADE. 
          IN CONCLUSION, I BELIEVE YOU ARE STILL FAR FROM A DECISION WITHOUT EVEN THE SPECIFIC DATA AVAILABLE VIA THIS PARKING MANAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR A MUCH LOWER COST THAN A PARKING GARAGE. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU, KAREN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MINDY IS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, HERZENBERG. 
          I'LL, I CAN'T READ THE HAND THE FIRST NAME, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE  TO. 
          ARE YOU PART OF THE CITIZENS UNITE GROUP? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YES, SEAN, IS THAT PART OF YOUR GROUP? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHO, WHO, YOU. 
          JOE ZANI. 
          OH, JOE TO JOE ZANI. 
          JOE ZANI WILL BE PART OF OUR COMMITTEE. 
          HE WILL NOT BE SPEAKING DURING THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. 
          HE'LL GET, HE'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES ON HIS OWN TO SPEAK VERSUS THREE MINUTES AS A, UH, UH, A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. 
          SO, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK NOW, MS. ROOT OR NO. 
          YOU WANT YIELD YOUR TIME AND, AND PASS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YBA? YEAH. 
          ALI IS YOUR YOUR HUSBAND? OH, THERE YOU ARE. 
          I DIDN'T SEE IT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS YBA BERG. 
          I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN SEDONA SINCE 2010, ABOUT 13 ODD YEARS. 
          UM, WE OWN BANANA MANAGEMENT GROUP. 
          WE MANAGE SEVEN RETAIL LOCATIONS, UH, SIX OF THEM IN UPTOWN, ONE AT PARK. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO EXPERIENCED A LOT OF CHALLENGES OVER THE YEARS WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          ALL THIS STUFF THAT IRRITATES ALL OF US THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT. 
          WHAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IS LISTEN TO BASIC COMMON SENSE STATEMENTS. 
          AND I THINK STANDING HERE LISTENING TO, OR SITTING HERE LISTENING TO ALL THE INFORMATION, THERE'S NOTHING IN MY MIND THAT I COULD SAY STOP. 
          EVERYTHING TELLS ME TO URGE COUNSEL TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. 
          WE NEED IT. 
          OUR PEOPLE NEED IT. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALLIE HANSSEN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JEN FAWNSWORTH, MAYOR. 
          COUNSEL. 
          HELLO, ALLIE HANSSEN. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. 
          AS MY HUSBAND PREVIOUSLY STATED. 
          WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 13 YEARS. 
          WE DO OPERATE SIX STORES IN UPTOWN AND ONE INTO LOCK AP. 
          AND WE CONTINUOUSLY HEAR FROM OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR STAFF ALIKE OF THE NEED FOR PARKING. 
          UM, CUSTOMERS, ESPECIALLY A LOT OF MY LOCAL FRIENDS THAT LIVE DOWN IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, WERE IN WEST SEDONA THAT SAY, WE WOULD LOVE TO COME SUPPORT YOU ALLEY, BUT WE SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH A HASSLE. 
          THERE'S NO PARKING IN UPTOWN. 
          I CAN'T EASILY GET THERE WHERE 
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I DO HAVE TO PARK. 
          I HAVE TO WALK A MILE AND A HALF TO GET TO YOUR STORES. 
          SO WE REALLY HEAR IT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THE STUDY WAS DONE WITH AMAZING DATA. 
          I READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING YESTERDAY. 
          IT'S JUST PHENOMENAL. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD REALLY BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE CONSOLIDATED PARKING AREAS AS THE STUDY HAS FOUND. 
          AND I REALLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE ON THIS IN A TIMELY MANNER. 
          UM, I READ SOMEWHERE, AND I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN, BUT IT WAS GONNA TAKE EIGHT MONTHS TO COME THROUGH WITH THE PLAN AND THE BUDGETING AND ANOTHER 12 MONTHS FOR COMPLETION. 
          THAT GETS US TOWARDS THE END OF 2025 IF WE START NOW. 
          AND BY 2025, THERE WAS ALREADY A PARKING DEFICIT. 
          SO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS AS A MOVE FORWARD AND PLEASE DO THIS IN A, IN A TIMELY MANNER. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          JEN FAWNSWORTH, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, JEFFREY GOLDSMITH. 
          UM, I HAD JEFFREY AND LINDA AND ALLISON WERE GOING TO GIVE ME THEIR TIME. 
          UH, YOU'RE GOING TO, NO, WE'RE NOT. 
          FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU DO THAT, THEY ALL GIVE UP THEIR PLACE AND WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE A MAXIMUM OF NINE MINUTES. 
          THAT WOULD BE THREE MINUTES, UH, FOR EACH PERSON AND NO MORE. 
          OKAY? SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THESE PEOPLE'S TIME. 
          THREE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I, YOU, JEFFREY AND, AND LINDA GOLDSMITH AND ALLISON NICHOLS. 
          WE ONLY GOT THREE. 
          AND THEIR CARDS SHOULD BE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. 
          I DON'T HAVE ALLISON NICHOLS, NOT JEFFREY. 
          WHO, WHO, WHO ARE YOU? JEFFREY AND LINDA. 
          OKAY. 
          JEFFREY AND LINDA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , COULD YOU PLEASE STAND UP PLEASE? AND THERE'S ALLISON. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S FOUR PEOPLE STANDING UP. 
          HOW DOES THAT WORK? SOMEBODY OUTSIDE? YEAH. 
          NO. 
          AND JEN OR SO JEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT JEN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MAXIMUM OF, UH, NINE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND I WON'T USE ALL THAT , BUT THEY, THEY WILL, THEY UNDERSTAND. 
          THEY WILL NOT BE SPEAKING. 
          YES, THEY UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE YOU. 
          THEY DON'T WANNA SPEAK YOU. 
          CAN YOU, CAN I JUST HAVE A LITTLE QUIET, IT GETS GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSING, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. 
          SO YOU JEFFREY AND LINDA AND ALLISON. 
          WELL, I'M NOT SEEING A CARD. 
          ALICE'S CARD. 
          NO. 
          WELL, I'M SORRY. 
          NO, IT'S OKAY. 
          SHE SAID SHE'S ONLY, SHE'S NOT GONNA TAKE MORE. 
          IT'S NINE MINUTES ANYWAY, SO THAT'S IT. 
          FINE. 
          THREE PEOPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          UH, MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU DO THAT? ARE YOU SET? YES. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          OKAY, JEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS JEN FARNSWORTH. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF UPTOWN SEDONA, AND I WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE CITY'S EVACUATION STUDY COMMITTEE, UH, LED BY WESS AND ASHLEY WHO ARE HERE TODAY. 
          MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL, AND CITY STAFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY COMMENTS ARE ABOUT THE PROPOSED GARAGE AND LIKE LONNIE, I HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE GREATER GOOD BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT OUR LIVES IN A WILDFIRE EVACUATION. 
          AND MY CONCLUSION IS, PLEASE DON'T BUILD THE GARAGE. 
          THE RISK TO OUR LIVES IS TOO GREAT. 
          I WANNA THANK VICE MAYOR PLU AND COUNSELOR KINSELLA FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND SUPPORTING RESIDENTS AND WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS INITIATIVES FOR OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW. 
          AND I'M ONCE AGAIN LOBBYING THE FULL COUNCIL TO MAKE OUR LIFE SAFETY IN A WILDFIRE EMERGENCY SEDONAS TOP PRIORITY. 
          PLEASE KEEP THE IMPORTANT WORK GOING AND DO THE COMPREHENSIVE WHILE FIRE EVACUATION TIME ESTIMATE STUDY AND MODELING. 
          UM, THIS IMPORTANT WORK IS YET TO BE DONE AND IT'S NECESSARY TO, TO ASSESS THE IMPACT OF A GARAGE IN A WILDFIRE EVACUATION. 
          YET THIS WORK, WITHOUT THIS WORK COMPLETED, THE CITY HAS SUGGESTED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ADVERSE IMPACT, UM, ON EVACUATION WITH THE GARAGE. 
          AND IT MIGHT EVEN EASE THE PROCESS. 
          UM, I WAS REFLECTING WHEN ANDREW WAS TALKING, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC MODELING. 
          I, UM, HAVE WORKED WITH INDUSTRY, ACADEMIC AND CITY LEADERS FROM 12 DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ALL DONE EVACUATION MODELING. 
          AND ONE THING I COULD SAY IS THAT NONE OF THEM STARTED WITH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC MODELING. 
          THEY ALL STARTED WITH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT IS OUR SITUATION HERE? AND OUR SITUATION HERE IS GREAT RISK. 
          WE NEED TO KNOW THE GRANULAR DETAILS AS WESS WOULD TELL ME ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT OUR ACCESS IMPAIRED NE NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR MOBILITY IMPAIRED RESIDENTS. 
          WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT OUR COMPROMISED, UH, OUR COMPROMISED, UM, WATER AND UTILITY SYSTEMS. AND WE NEED TO HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING ON THE GROUND TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENS IN A WILDFIRE AND INCORPORATE 
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THAT INTO ANY MODELING THAT WE WOULD DO. 
          I'VE SHARED WITH A NUMBER OF YOU, AND THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS, BUT I JUST USE RISK, RISK FACTOR WHO RATES THE PROPOSED GARAGE LOCATION AS A SEVERE FIRE RISK AREA WITH A 100% CHANCE OF BEING IMPACTED BY FIRE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT 30 YEARS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY DONE BY THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC OF THE WEST AND THE SOUTHWEST RATED SEDONAS EVACUATION CONSTRAINTS SO HIGH, THE RESULTS COULD NOT EVEN BE USED IN THE CITY IN THE STUDY. 
          SO THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          THE MEDIAN SCORE OF 5,000 CITIES STUDIED WAS 110 SEDONAS EVACUATION CONSTRAINTS WERE RATED AT OVER 2000. 
          THEY WERE SO HIGH THEY COULDN'T EVEN BE USED IN IN THE STUDY. 
          YOU MIGHT BE ASKING, DIDN'T THE CITIES JUST COMPLETED ALL HAZARDS ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITY, EVACUATION AND REENTRY PLAN EVALUATE WILDFIRE RISK? AND COULDN'T THAT BE USED TO ANALYZE THE IMPACT OF A GARAGE ON A WILDFIRE EVACUATION? AND THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          AND WESS HAS CLARIFIED FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH I DID PESTER HIM A LOT ABOUT THIS, UM, THAT, UH, THAT THE ALL HAS ITS PLAN IS A PLAN FOR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          THIS IS NOT A REPORT, AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. 
          THIS PLAN WILL NOT ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE SCENARIO. 
          IN FACT, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS ANY SCENARIO AT ALL. 
          AS I MENTIONED, THE WATER UTILITY AND, AND ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE IN UPTOWN IS SEVERELY COMPROMISED. 
          THAT WAS DEMONSTRATED A YEAR AGO TOMORROW WITH A TERRIFYING FIRE THAT WE HAD IN OUR DEVELOPMENT WHERE, UM, IF NOT FOR THE INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP OF OUR FIRE DISTRICT AND THE TEAM WHO WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE FIRE TO JUST ONE HOUSE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A DISASTER. 
          NONE OF US COULD LEAVE THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE ALL LOST WATER. 
          THERE WERE 40 MILE AN HOUR WIND GUSTS SPREADING, UH, EMBERS THROUGHOUT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WE HAD TO USE LITERALLY OUR FIRE AT HOME FIRE EXTINGUISHES TO TRY TO PUT THOSE OUT. 
          AND THAT'S JUST A TINY LITTLE INSIGHT INTO WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. 
          AND THAT WAS JUST A SINGLE HOUSE FIRE. 
          REMEMBER THAT WHEN I MENTIONED THE GROUND TRUTH IN A REAL FIRE? YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT ONLY THE HUN, THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET OUT, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET BACK IN FIRST RESPONDERS AS WELL AS RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TRYING TO GET IN TO SAVE FAMILY AND PETS BACK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THEN THERE IS THE RAIN OF EMBERS BURNING OBSTACLES, EXPLODING PROPANE TANKS, HEAT BLAST THAT MELT TOWERS, ROADS THAT ARE BLOCKED BY FALLEN POWER POLES. 
          ABANDONED CARS SMOKE SO THICK YOU CAN'T EVEN FIGURE OUT WHAT DIRECTION TO FLEE. 
          AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A HIGH DENSITY THREE STORY, 272 CAR VEHICLE ON AN EVACUATION ROUTE AND CONCENTRATING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AT THAT LOCATION. 
          HERE ARE TWO QUOTES FROM, UM, THE FIRES IN PARADISE AND THE UM, AND IN MAUI HERE. 
          HERE'S ONE HEADLINE. 
          HERE'S HOW PARADISE IGNORED WARNINGS AND BECAME A DEATH TRAP. 
          AND FROM MAUI, THEY KNEW DANGEROUS WILDFIRES HAD BECOME IN INEVITABLE AND IT STILL WASN'T READY. 
          THE CITIES NEEDED WILDFIRE EVACUATION STUDY AND MODELING WOULD INCORPORATE ALL OF THESE FACTORS AND MORE, AND ALL THE INFORMATION GATHERED BY THE WAY. 
          AND THE METHODOLOGY USED TO ANALYZE THIS INFORMATION IS NOT CONFIDENTIAL. 
          ONLY THE SPECIFIC DATA IS. 
          SO YOU AS LEADERS WOULD KNOW EVERY SINGLE BIT OF INFORMATION THAT WAS BEING COLLECTED AND YOU WOULD HAVE AN INDEPENDENT, COMPREHENSIVE, PRIORITIZED REPORT DETAILING SEDONAS ENTIRE INFRASTRUCTURE AND VULNERABILITIES AND THE TOOLS TO MODEL AND EVALUATE WHETHER THE GARAGE OR ANY STRUCTURE COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT MOVING TO PEOPLE, PEOPLE TO SAFETY IN A WILDFIRE EVACUATION. 
          AND INTERESTINGLY, IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT YOU MIGHT LEARN FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. 
          THE OVERALL RISKS IN UPTOWN ARE SO HIGH AND THE ENTIRE INFRASTRUCTURE IN UPTOWN IS SO COMP COMPROMISED. 
          THE CITY SHOULD NOT ADD A SINGLE STRUCTURE AT ALL. 
          TO QUOTE PARADISE, PARADISE, CALIFORNIA ENGINEER MARK MADDOX, AFTER THE CAMPFIRE DISASTER ON THE VALUE OF A COMPREHENSIVE WILDFIRE EVACUATION AND STUDY AND THE USE OF THESE EXPERT MODELING TOOLS. 
          EVERY PUBLIC WORKS PLANNER, EVERY EMERGENCY PLANNER ACROSS THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT TYPES OF, WHAT THESE TYPES OF MODELS SAY ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITIES. 
          AS CITIES ACROSS THE WEST AND SOUTHWEST ARE TAKING STEPS TO MAKE WILDFIRE SAFETY A PRIORITY TO AND TO ADDRESS KNOWN PROBLEMS, I HAVE TO ASK, ARE THEIR LIVES MORE VALUABLE THAN OURS? PLEASE HIRE 
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A WILDLIFE EVACUATION FIRM TO CONTINUE THE EXCELLENT WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN STARTED. 
          PLEASE DO NOT BUILD THE GARAGE AND UTILIZE THE PROPERTY AS A SURFACE LOT. 
          IN ADDITION TO OPEN SURFACE LOTS, INVESTIGATE THE INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY USE OF TECHNOLOGY YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT AND WHAT SEDONA RESIDENTS UNITED HAS, HAS SUGGESTED TO MEET FUTURE PARKING NEEDS. 
          AND REVISIT THE CREATIVE IDEAS AROUND CONSOLIDATION OUR LIVES COULD DEPEND ON YOUR DECISION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JOHN. 
          OKAY, LET'S TRY TO GET BACK IN THE THREE MINUTE SYNC WITH, UH, START OFF WITH STEPHANIE SARGENTI. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MARCIA FIRST. 
          HI THERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          I WILL NOT BE QUITE AS LONG AS THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF OKAY. 
          BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT. 
          YOU WANNA KNOW WHERE AND IF YOU WORK, IF YOU PREFER TO GIVE YOUR, UH, BUSINESS, IF IN ADDITION THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          HI, I'M STEPHANIE. 
          I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. 
          I DO WORK IN UPTOWN IN SEDONA. 
          CRYSTAL VORTEX. 
          YEAH, I NEED STEPHANIE, I'M SORRY. 
          YOUR LAST NAME IS IN, IS IMPORTANT SORGEN FRY BECAUSE I COULDN'T SAY IT. 
          SO IT HAS, IT HAS TO BE OUT THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          UM, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GO AHEAD WITH THIS PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          UM, I HAVE BEEN IN SEDONA FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. 
          I'VE WORKED IN UPTOWN FOR SEVEN YEARS AND IN THOSE SEVEN YEARS I CANNOT TELL YOU WHERE I PARKED BECAUSE I'LL GET IN TROUBLE WITH THEM. 
          UM, , BUT PARKING IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM. 
          UM, GETTING INTO UPTOWN IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM. 
          UM, PLEASE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MARCIA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DAVE SRO. 
          HE'S LEFT. 
          HE LEFT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. 
          MY NAME IS MARSHA FIRST. 
          I AM A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND I HAPPEN TO BE AN EMPLOYEE OF ALLIE AND IBEN HERZENBERG. 
          25 YEARS AGO, MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED PROPERTY IN SEDONA 20 YEARS AGO, OUR HOME WAS COMPLETED AND THREE YEARS AGO WE MOVED HERE FULL TIME WITH THE INTENTION OF MY HUSBAND RETIRING. 
          AND OF COURSE I AM STILL GAINFULLY AT 70 YEARS OLD, EMPLOYED WHEN I WAS 45 YEARS OLD. 
          AND I CAME TO SEDONA. 
          I THOUGHT SEDONA WAS MAGNIFICENT AND I WANTED TO MOVE HERE. 
          SO NOW YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S 25 YEARS LATER, I'M FINALLY HERE FULL TIME. 
          AND I QUITE FRANKLY AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE GROWTH AND THE CHANGES THAT I SEE HERE SINCE I FIRST CAME FOR A VISIT. 
          CURRENTLY I'M A GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE ALI GROUP. 
          I WORK IN FOUR STORES, THREE IN UPTOWN AND ONE INTO LOCKA. 
          FOUR BEAUTIFUL UPSCALE FASHION BOUTIQUES. 
          WE CATER TO OUR LOCALS, THE MOST IMPORTANT CUSTOMERS WE HAVE, AND OF COURSE TO OUR VISITORS WHO WE ARE VERY PROUD TO ACCOMMODATE WHEN THEY ARE HERE. 
          WHEN I MEET A LOCAL, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I ASK THEM IS, HOW OFTEN DO YOU COME TO UPTOWN? AND THE RESOUNDING REPLY IS NOT OFTEN, THE PARKING IS AWFUL. 
          I CAN'T FIND PARKING, I DON'T ENJOY LOOKING FOR PARKING. 
          AND I SPEND SO MUCH TIME WHEN I CAN FIND A PARKING SPACE THAT I SPEND AS MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TIME AS I NEED TO WHILE I'M HERE IN UPTOWN. 
          WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT OUR VISITORS AND THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY CAUSE. 
          I AM EXTREMELY IMPRESSED BY THE DATA THAT I'M REALLY HEARING FOR THE FIRST TIME AS AN OPERATIONS PERSON IN RETAIL. 
          I LOVE DATA BECAUSE DATA REALLY TELLS US A VERY TRUE PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE FACING. 
          BUT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT VISITORS. 
          I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO FOCUS ON OUR LOCALS. 
          WE ARE NOT LOCAL CENTRIC IN UPTOWN. 
          AND MY QUESTION TO THIS BEAUTIFUL, UH, I WOULD SAY COLLECTION OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE IS WHAT'S THE HOLDUP? WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT INFORMATION FOR SO LONG. 
          MY RHETORICAL QUESTION TO ALL OF US IS WHAT EXACTLY IS THE HOLDUP? WHY ARE WE NOT MOVING FORWARD? THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, MARCIA. 
          DAVE, ARE YOU STILL HERE? I DON'T SEE HIM. 
          OKAY. 
          MICHELLE CONWAY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, NANCY FRIEDMAN. 
          ARE YOU GONNA BE WITH THEM? YES. 
          IT'S ONLY GONNA BE ONE GROUP OF TO NINE MINUTES. 
          I'LL JUST . 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD 
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AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME IS MICHELLE CONWAY ECKY. 
          I, UH, AM A RESIDENT OF CLARKDALE AND I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND TOURISM BUREAU. 
          I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE COMPLETION OF THE LONG PLANNED AND LONG AWAITED UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE ON FOREST ROAD. 
          FOR 20 YEARS, THIS PARKING GARAGE HAS BEEN A GOAL OF THE CITIES. 
          THE NEED FOR THE GARAGE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHAMBER, THE CITY SPONSORED STUDIES, THE SEDONA AND MOTION STRATEGY, AND THE MANY BUSINESSES THAT RELY ON TOURISM. 
          THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY THIS GARAGE IS NEEDED. 
          ONE REASON IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO SEE THE ONGOING GROWTH OF MARICOPA COUNTY. 
          ACCORDING TO THE US CENSUS BUREAU IN 2022, MARICOPA COUNTY WAS THE LARGEST GAINING COUNTY IN THE NATION. 
          WE KNOW THAT MOST OF OUR VISITORS COME FROM THE PHOENIX AREA. 
          WE MUST PLAN TO MANAGE THOSE VISITORS. 
          UPTOWN SEDONA IS A HUB AND IT NEEDS APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT. 
          JUST THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU TRAVEL, WHEN YOU VISIT A NEW CITY, WHERE DO YOU GO? HOW DO YOU LEARN AND GET ACCLIMATED WHERE'S THE CULTURAL CENTER? CHANCES ARE YOU GO TO THE CITY'S NATURAL HUB, WHICH IS A DOWNTOWN, OR IN OUR CASE, UPTOWN. 
          UPTOWN. 
          SEDONA NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED AS A LEADING ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR SEDONA. 
          A STUDY TITLED THE VALUE OF US DOWNTOWNS BY THE INTERNATIONAL DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION INDICATED THAT DESPITE THEIR SMALL FOOTPRINT, DOWNTOWNS ARE ECONOMICALLY IN DEMAND AND LUCRATIVE DISTRICTS THAT FOR EVERY 1% OF CITYWIDE LAND, DOWNTOWNS CONTRIBUTE APPROXIMATELY 10% OF CITYWIDE TAX REVENUE THAT DOWNTOWNS WARRANT CONTINUED INVESTMENT. 
          IN ADDITION TO BEING A MAJOR ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTOR, UPTOWN HAS CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE FROM THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM AND THE HISTORIC SEDONA ART CENTER TO THE VARIOUS PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS AND THE HISTORY. 
          WALK UPTOWN OFFERS HISTORICAL CHARACTER, CULTURAL ASSETS, RECREATION, AND ENTERTAINMENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          WE WANT VISITORS TO VISIT UPTOWN IN ALL OF ITS CHARM, TO ENJOY WALKING AROUND TO SHOP AND EAT AND SPEND, BUT THEY CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS THEY'RE ABLE TO FIND, EASILY, FIND CONSOLIDATED PARKING. 
          IF VISITORS AND EMPLOYEES CAN ACCESS PARKING MORE EASILY AND GET THEIR CARS OFF THE ROAD MORE QUICKLY, THAT WOULD HELP WITH TRAFFIC CONGESTION, WHICH IN TURN IS FAVORABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          THE CITY OF SEDONA SHOULD BE PROUD OF ITS RESPONSE TO THE PARKING CRISIS IN UPTOWN. 
          THUS FAR, THE SENSITIVITY YOU'VE SHOWN TO OUR ENVIRONMENT AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE GARAGE DESIGN AND THE RESPECT SHOWN TO OUR RESIDENTS IN REFLECTING COMMUNITY INPUT, YOU'VE DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. 
          THE DAY WILL NEVER COME WHEN PEOPLE UNANIMOUSLY AGREE ON ANY PUBLIC PROJECT. 
          BUT THE MANY BENEFITS THAT THIS PARKING GARAGE WOULD BRING, ARGUE OVERWHELMINGLY IN ITS FAVOR AS AN ADVOCATE FOR RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS HERE TODAY TO SAY THE GARAGE HAS BEEN PLANNED, DESIGNED, AND FUNDED. 
          LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          I, UH, STEVEN COOK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, DONNA FROM PINK JEEP. 
          HELLO, MY NAME'S STEVEN COOK. 
          UH, PLEASE CONSIDER MY ADDRESS HERE AS UNCOMFORTABLE AND FROM A PLACE OF FRUSTRATION. 
          UH, MY WIFE AND I WERE BOTH RAISED HERE. 
          STEVEN, YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. 
          OH, UH, RESIDENTS OF, UH, SEDONA. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          MY WIFE AND I WERE BOTH RAISED HERE IN SEDONA, IN THE VERDE VALLEY, AND WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE. 
          OF COURSE. 
          UM, OUR TWO YOUNG CHILDREN ARE EIGHTH GENERATION SEDONAS. 
          OUR FAMILY'S RESIDENCY BA DATES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PIONEERS OF SEDONA. 
          I DO NOT SPEAK THIS WITH INTENT FOR FAVOR OR ENTITLEMENT, BUT FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF MY DEEP SEATED LOVE FOR SEDONA. 
          AS A CITY AND PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE INVESTMENT AND SUCCESS OF THIS CITY, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND ANY INTENT TO PROVIDE GREATER PARKING AND TRAFFIC RELIEF REGARDLESS OF ANY VOTE OUTCOME. 
          TODAY, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO VISIT SEDONA. 
          MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WILL MOVE TO SEDONA. 
          TODAY, ALL I ASK IS THE CITY TO HAVE A PLAN THAT PROVIDES A FUNCTIONAL TRAFFIC AND PARKING PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. 
          AND BY FUTURE, I MEAN A TIMEFRAME THAT SURPASSES MY LIFE, BUT INCLUDES MY KIDS AND GRANDKIDS LIVES AS WELL. 
          DEVELOPMENTALLY AS A WHOLE, WHILE ITS PARKING GARAGE IS A STEP FORWARD, SEDONA HAS MUCH, MUCH MORE WORK TO DO TO CATCH UP. 
          MY WIFE AND I RECENTLY PURCHASED THE SEDONA UPTOWN MARKET ON FOREST ROAD. 
          PARKING IS A MAJOR PROBLEM THERE. 
          CURRENTLY, WE HAVE ALL DAY TOURISTS AS WELL AS OTHER EMPLOYEES, BUS OR EMPLOYEES FROM OTHER BUSINESSES USING THE MAJORITY OF THE ADJACENT PARKING LOT. 
          I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE. 
          I HOPE TO SEE THE OUTCOME OF A PROGRESSIVE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE SUCCESS 
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OF SEDONA. 
          AND I HOPE PRIDE IN SEDONA AND BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA WILL BE ADVANCED AND AHEAD OF SCHEDULE FOR HOW TO, HOW TO HANDLE ALL FUTURE OBSTACLES. 
          I FIND DOING NOTHING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED UNACCEPTABLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STEVEN. 
          JONATHAN PINK JEEP WILL BE FOLLOWED BY PEGGY SHAKEN. 
          HI, MY NAME'S DONNA RE I'M THE, UH, GENERAL MANAGER OR FORMER GENERAL MANAGER OF PINK CHEAP TOURS IN SEDONA. 
          I LIVE IN CORN. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN WITH PINK JEEP FOR OVER, UH, 20 YEARS, AND MUCH OF THAT TIME I HAVE WORKED IN THE UPTOWN LOCATION, SO I'VE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT TO EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN UPTOWN. 
          AND, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION YOU GUYS DID. 
          UM, I WILL BE HONEST, I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BECAUSE IT VALIDATED SO MUCH OF WHAT WE SEE AND WHAT WE EXPERIENCE ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          UM, WE DO SEND OUR CUSTOMERS AN EMAIL TELLING THEM, UH, WHERE THE PARKING IS, AND WE GIVE THEM LINKS TO THE PARKING, AND WE FIND THAT PEOPLE STILL CAN'T FIND THE PARKING. 
          AND SO, UM, WE GET A LOT OF CALLS IN OUR CALL CENTER WITH PEOPLE SAYING, I'M LOST. 
          I CAN'T FIND WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE. 
          THEY'RE STUCK ON SIDE STREETS. 
          THEY'RE DOING ILLEGAL U-TURNS. 
          UH, THEY'RE DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. 
          SO I SEE THE SALSA AS A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE, UH, GOING THE WRONG WAY ON ONE WAY STREETS WHAT YOU PRESENTED ABOUT CHIPOTLE'S, UH, PARKING LOT, AND I EXPERIENCE IT, YOU SEE THE PEOPLE DOING THOSE CIRCUITS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          SO IN ALL AREAS, UM, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE HAS SAID HERE. 
          THERE REALLY IS A DEMONSTRATED NEED FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          WE SUPPORT IT. 
          UM, AND I THINK THERE'S FAR MORE BENEFITS TO IT THAN, UH, THAN ANY OF THE CONS. 
          SO WE SUPPORT THE P UH, THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, DONNA. 
          PEGGY CHAKIN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JULIE. 
          RICHARD. 
          JULIE, YOU STILL HERE? JULIE? OH, THERE YOU ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          HELLO AGAIN. 
          I'M PEGGY CHAKIN. 
          I LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          I HAVEN'T REALLY PREPARED COMMENTS TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO LISTEN IN ON WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND I'M REALLY IMPRESSED BY THE STUDY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE STUDY WAS DONE. 
          I JUST REALLY WANT THE FIRE STUDY TO BE DONE. 
          I WANT THE MONEY TO GO INTO INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL IMPROVE OUR WATER SOURCES. 
          I DON'T WANT SEDONA TO BE SUBJECTED TO WHAT HAPPENED IN MAUI. 
          THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL. 
          WE HAVE OLD INFRASTRUCTURE HERE. 
          WE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE WATER AVAILABLE FOR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THE STUDY WILL BE NOT USED. 
          I THINK WE CAN USE A LOT OF THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO RIGHT AHEAD AND BUILD THE GARAGE. 
          I THINK WE CAN USE THE APP AND USE IT AS A STEPPING STONE TO SEE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD TO ALLEVIATE PARKING PROBLEMS. SO PEOPLE HAVE WAY FINDING THE, NOT RIDING AROUND, LOOKING FOR PARKING SPOTS. 
          I, UM, I DON'T THINK BOATING ON THE PARKING LOT RIGHT AWAY IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE PUTTING OUR MONEY. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR MORE SAFETY, BECAUSE WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT HORRIBLE FIRE RISK HERE. 
          SO THANK YOU JAN FARNSWORTH FOR YOUR RESEARCH. 
          JULIE RICHARD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, S SELENA. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME IS JULIE RICHARD. 
          I'M THE CEO OF SEDONA ART CENTER, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF CORNFIELD. 
          I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION A LITTLE OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR, SEDONA ART CENTER IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH END OF UPTOWN. 
          WE OWN TWO BUILDINGS, ONE DIRECTLY ON 89 A AND ONE JUST BELOW OFF A BARN ROAD. 
          I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. 
          WE HAVE OUR OWN SMALL PARKING AREA BETWEEN OUR TWO BUILDINGS, AND WE LEASE THE LOWER GRAVEL LOT BELOW OUR BUILDINGS FROM THE BEST WESTERN AURORA ROADWAY HOTEL AND CREEKSIDE VILLAS FOR WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS, THAT LOT IS NOT RESTRICTED, AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC PARKS THERE FREQUENTLY WHEN THE REST OF THE LOTS OR THE STREET PARKING IN UPTOWN IS FULL. 
          THE BEST WESTERN HAS BEEN STUDYING MANY POTENTIAL USES FOR THAT LOT, FOR AT LEAST THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          AT SOME POINT IN THE NOT SO DISTANT FUTURE, THEY WILL LIKELY DEVELOP IT, WHICH WILL BE AN ISSUE FOR US AS WELL AS FOR THE MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO PARK THERE EACH YEAR. 
          LAST YEAR, 20,000 PEOPLE PASSED THROUGH OUR GALLERY ALONE. 
          WITH MORE THAN 12,000 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE ATTENDING OUR WORKSHOPS, CLASSES, EVENTS, EXHIBITS AND PROGRAMS 
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THEY ALL NEED TO PARK. 
          OUR ATTENDEES PROVIDE AROUND $7 MILLION IN DIRECT ECONOMIC ACTIVITY TO THE CITY OF SEDONA, GENERATING ALMOST $250,000 IN LOCAL TAX REVENUE DIRECTLY BACK TO THE CITY. 
          IN ADDITION, OUR NON-PROFIT, OUR NON-PROFIT BUSINESS, SUPPORTS MORE THAN 1000 ARTISTS AND DIRECTLY EMPLOYS 14 PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO RELY ON US FOR THEIR LIVELIHOOD. 
          SINCE WE STARTED KEEPING ATTENDANCE DATA IN OUR GALLERY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAVE DEFINITELY SEEN A TREND WHERE ON THE BUSIEST WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS WHERE THERE'S GRIDLOCK EVERYWHERE IN UPTOWN, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE ATTENDANCE AND VERY FEW SALES. 
          MY HUNCH IS THAT BY THE TIME PEOPLE ACTUALLY GET INTO TOWN, THEY DECIDE NOT TO STOP, AND THEY JUST WANNA GET OUT. 
          THIS IS IMPACTING OUR BUSINESS, AND WITH THE RUMORED CLOSURE OF SEVERAL PARKING LOTS IN UPTOWN, WE ARE ESPECIALLY CONCERNED THAT BUSINESS WILL DECLINE BECAUSE OF ALL THESE REASONS. 
          I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE YES FOR THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JULIE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, S SIL. 
          SYLVIA, I'M SORRY, SYLVIA, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OKAY. 
          UH, KATHY HOWE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TOM GILMAN. 
          HI, KATHY. 
          IT'S BEEN A WHILE. 
          IT HAS, UH, GREETINGS MAYOR, UH, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. 
          I'M KATHY HOWE. 
          I LIVE AT 65 MANZANITA LANE. 
          THE PARKING GARAGE WILL BE IN MY BACKYARD, AND NO ONE IS GONNA BE HAPPIER THAN ME. 
          UM, FOR SOME OF YOU WHO KNEW KATHY LEVIN AND BARBARA LATRELL, THIS IS, I'M HOPING WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IS VOTE TO MAKE A DREAM COME TRUE FOR SOME OF US WHO LIVE IN THE MANZANITA HILLS AREA AND PART OF UPTOWN. 
          PLEASE PASS THIS, WE NEED THIS. 
          YEARS AGO WHEN KATHY LEVIN AND BARBARA LATRELL DID COMMUNITY IN A BOX, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER IT, WE, I PULLED TOGETHER A BUNCH OF MY NEIGHBORS AND WE WANTED, THEN THAT GOES BACK, WHAT, 10, 12 YEARS AGO. 
          WE WANTED THIS PARKING GARAGE. 
          THEN I LIVED THERE. 
          I WANNA SEE IT. 
          PLEASE MAKE MY DREAM COME TRUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          KATHY. 
          TOM GILMAN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, UH, TOM . 
          YEAH. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS TOM GILMAN. 
          I'M 80 YEARS OLD. 
          I HAVE LIVED HALF OF MY LIFE IN SEDONA. 
          I OWN BUSINESSES HERE SINCE THE YEAR 2000. 
          I'VE SAT AND LISTENED TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SUPPORT THE IDEA OF A PARKING STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE SIDE OF SEDONA. 
          NOTHING EVER GETS DONE. 
          MM-HMM, , YOU KNOW, SEDONA, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, BUT PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY SAY IS A DIVIDED CITY. 
          WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE ME, RETIRED PEOPLE LIVING HERE WHO DON'T WANT VISITORS. 
          I WANT VISITORS, BY THE WAY, BUT MOST MY FRIENDS DON'T WANT VISITORS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T WANT A PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          THEY THINK A PARKING STRUCTURE WILL BRING MORE VISITORS. 
          WELL, THE PLAIN FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT 86% OF SEDONAS OPERATING BUDGET, THE BUDGET THAT PAYS FOR A FINE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES COMES FROM VISITORS. 
          86%. 
          I'M TOLD THAT THE AVERAGE RESIDENT CONTRIBUTES ABOUT $300 TO THE CITY THROUGH SALES TAX. 
          SO WE'D HAVE TO GET EACH OF OUR 10,000. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR NUMBER IS, BUT RESIDENTS PAYING $3,000 A YEAR TO MAKE UP FOR THAT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THEY WANNA DO THAT. 
          WE NEED THE PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE THAT HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN THE BUSINESS PART OF SEDONA NEEDS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, TOM. 
          AND TOM, YOU'RE NEXT. 
          AND, UH, DAVID BARRON WOULD BE, UH, FOLLOWING, UH, TOM. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          TOM HTH. 
          WAIT, I LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF. 
          I WORK FOR MY FATHER-IN-LAW. 
          TOM GILMAN. 
          UH, OUR BUSINESS IS ALL IN UPTOWN SEDONA. 
          WE HAVE PARKING FOR OUR CUSTOMERS, OUR TENANTS, AND FOR OUR, UH, EMPLOYEES. 
          WE ARE BEYOND IN FAVOR FOR THIS. 
          IN FACT, THIS WAS ALREADY IMPROVED. 
          AND COUNTLESS STUDIES CONSULTANTS HAVE SAID THE SAME THING. 
          THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 
          11 X I'VE DONE THE RESEARCH ON IT. 
          IT'S INTERESTING. 
          ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA HAS 235,000 RESIDENTS. 
          SEDONA 
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HAS 9,300. 
          THEIR AVERAGE AGE IS 40. 
          I'M LOOKING AROUND THIS ROOM. 
          I THINK I'M ONLY 40 YEAR OLD HERE, SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 65 IN SEDONA. 
          THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT I THINK WE NEED CALL A SPADE A SPADE. 
          THIS BENEFITS THE UPTOWN COMMUNITY THAT PROBABLY GENERATES AROUND $10 MILLION IN SALES REVENUE A YEAR. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR 20 YEARS. 
          THAT'S $200 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE. 
          SEDONA RESIDENTS PAY $0 IN PROPERTY TAX TO GO TO THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          SO LET'S JUST THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          20 YEARS. 
          ZERO, 20 YEARS. 
          200 MILLION. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA HEAR. 
          IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          WE SPENT 20 MILLION ON THE CULTURAL PARK THAT SAT DOWN, YOU KNOW, SAT AVAILABLE FOR YEARS, PROBABLY COULD HAVE GOT IT FROM 15. 
          I WASN'T A PART OF THE DEAL. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS, WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE LOCALS, AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'LL SAY THAT LOCALS, YOU ALL WEAR A BADGE OF HONOR THAT, OH, WE DON'T GO TO UPTOWN. 
          YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT HURTS. 
          OUR BUSINESSES ALL THRIVE FROM VISITORS. 
          OH, WE DON'T GET A, A DISCOUNT, LOCAL DISCOUNT. 
          NO. 
          YOU KNOW WHY? 'CAUSE THAT'S MONEY OUT OF OUR EMPLOYEES POCKETS. 
          THAT'S MONEY OF OUR POCKETS. 
          SO WHEN EVERYTHING'S HIGHER UP, INTEREST RATES, INFLATION, YOU NAME IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S MORE MONEY FOR EVERYONE ELSE, BUT THE CITY STILL GETTING IN THEIR POUND OF FLESH. 
          AND THAT'S OUTTA THE SALES TAX. 
          SO THINK ABOUT THAT 200 MILLION VERSUS ZERO. 
          AND IF THIS GOES, NO, THAT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, TOM. 
          OKAY. 
          DAVID WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, JOE PIAZZA. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS DAVID BARON. 
          I AM MY WIFE AND I ARE RESIDENTS OF UPTOWN SEDONA. 
          WE'RE HOMEOWNERS AND WE ARE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND I PERSONALLY HAVE LIVED IN SEDONA ON AND OFF SINCE 1995. 
          I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU HERE TODAY FOR SPENDING SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME REALLY DIGGING INTO THIS ISSUE, DOING OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS. 
          THANK YOU TO YOUR TEAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UM, REFLECTING WHAT TOM SAID EARLIER, UH, LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IS, UH, IS NOT GOING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO COME EVERY YEAR. 
          THE ONLY THING IT'LL DO IS LIMIT THE BENEFIT THAT SEDONA GETS TO REAP FROM THOSE VISITORS. 
          UH, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IF YOU'RE A NEW BUSINESS OWNER AND YOU'RE APPLYING FOR A, UH, PERMIT TO OPEN YOUR BUSINESS, PART OF THE CONSIDERATION THAT THE CITY GIVES IS ON NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT THEY WILL REQUIRE YOUR BUSINESS TO SECURE. 
          NOW, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE LOT, UM, AND YOU'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A LOT OF CARS, YOU WON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES. 
          BUT IF YOU ARE NOT A LARGE LOT AND SAY YOU WANT TO OPEN A RESTAURANT, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BE PROHIBITED FROM OPENING THAT BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PROCURE THOSE PARKING SPOTS. 
          YOU HAVE TO EITHER BUY THEM FROM ANOTHER LANDOWNER OR YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM FROM THE CITY, AND IT'S VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          SO, A NO VOTE ON THE PARKING STRUCTURE WILL BE ESSENTIALLY CAPPING SEDONAS ECONOMIC FUTURE. 
          UH, THAT MEANS NO MORE BUSINESSES INCREASED TOURISTS. 
          THAT MEANS MORE TOURISTS PER BUSINESS. 
          AND AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I DO SEE THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY RESTAURANTS, ARE INUNDATED. 
          UH, THEY CAN'T SUPPORT THE VOLUME THAT THEY CURRENTLY RECEIVE. 
          AND THAT WILL FRUSTRATE NOT ONLY THOSE VISITORS WHO CAN'T FIND A TABLE ANYWHERE, BUT WE'RE ALSO CAPPING THE, UH, NUMBER OF JOBS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN, UH, IN THE AREA. 
          AND ALSO, UM, UH, THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT THE CITY RECEIVES. 
          UH, RESPECTFULLY WITH REGARDS THE APPLICATION, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA. 
          UH, AND I, I DO THINK THE CITY SHOULD INVESTIGATE IT. 
          I THINK WHAT THE ANALYSIS SHOWED IS THAT THE ISSUE IS ABOUT CAPACITY, NOT SO MUCH ABOUT CIRCULATION, AND THE APP REALLY DOES HELP WITH CIRCULATION AND GETTING PEOPLE TO SPOTS, BUT WHAT, UH, WHAT THE ANALYSIS SHOWED IS THAT WE NEED MORE SPOTS IN GENERAL. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, DAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          JOE PIAZZA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT LERNER. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS JOE PIAZZA. 
          I AM A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. 
          I ALSO MANAGE TH I USED TO MANAGE THREE BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN. 
          I MANAGE DON DIEGO, MEXICAN CUISINE. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD A FEW THINGS TODAY. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY A FEW OTHER THINGS, BUT LISTENING TO SOME COMMENTS. 
          UM, THERE ARE APPS OUT THERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE APPS FOR THE PARKING THAT WE HAVE IN SEDONA. 
          NOW, THERE ARE SOME APPS THAT 
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DO SHOW WHERE TO GO, BUT IT'S QUITE CONFUSING WHERE TO GO. 
          IT'S ALL LAID OUT. 
          I'VE ALSO HEARD DOOMSDAY, UM, WITH IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AND THIS STRUCTURE WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S DOOMSDAY, BUT FEAR SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THIS. 
          IT'S NOT DOOMSDAY. 
          I HEARD FROM OF THE COUNCIL AND FROM THE PEOPLE THAT DID THE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT THEY, YOU TALKED ABOUT TODAY WITH THE STUDIES OF IF YOU ORGANIZE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY, YOU'RE ORGANIZED AND YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC LOCATION TO GO TO EVACUATE PEOPLE, IT'LL BE A LOT SAFER THAN ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          I DO WANNA MENTION ONE OTHER THING. 
          UM, WE TALK ABOUT SEASON HERE, WE TALK ABOUT APRIL, WE TALK ABOUT MARCH. 
          UM, LAST WEEK, THIS IS NOVEMBER. 
          NOW, LAST WEEK AT ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK IN MY RESTAURANT, SOMEBODY WAS DROPPED OFF AND GOT A TABLE AND THEY SAID, I'M GONNA GO FIND PARKING AND I'LL BE BACK AND, AND BE WITH YOU. 
          WELL, THEY WAITED ABOUT 45 MINUTES AT THAT TABLE IN THE RESTAURANT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND PARKING, THEY COULDN'T GO. 
          THIS IS IN APRIL AND MARCH. 
          THAT WOULD BE EVEN PROBABLY HOURS. 
          THIS IS NOVEMBER. 
          SO IT'S QUITE, AND ALSO I WANNA TALK ABOUT EMPLOYEES TOO. 
          VERY HARD FOR BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN SEDONA TO GET GOOD EMPLOYEES AND KEEP THOSE EMPLOYEES, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO PARK. 
          I HAVE EMPLOYEES COME AND THEY LEAVE ABOUT AN HOUR EARLIER. 
          AND WHEN THEY COME TO UPTOWN FIRST, GETTING THROUGH THE TRAFFIC, IF THEY'RE DOING A FOUR O'CLOCK SHIFT AND THEN FINDING PARKING, THEY'RE EVEN LATE TO WORK. 
          SOME OF THEM DON'T EVEN WANNA WORK FOR YOU WHEN THEY ACTUALLY QUIT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA GO WORK IN COTTONWOOD OR IN FLAGSTAFF OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          IT'S EVEN EASIER TO GO AROUND AND GO UP TO FLAGSTAFF AND WORK THERE THAN TO WORK IN SEDONA. 
          SO I URGE THE COUNCIL, MAYOR, THE COUNCIL, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF TIMES THAT THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND TALKED ABOUT. 
          IT'S TIME TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          IT'S TIME TO ACT ON IT. 
          I'M A RESIDENT. 
          I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. 
          I KNOW ALL THE FOLKS THAT I TALKED TO, THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF IT AS WELL. 
          PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          AND LET'S LOOK AT THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, LOOKING BACK AT THIS DATE AND SAID, WE MADE THE DECISION IN OUR MINDS TO MOVE FORWARD, NOT PROCRASTINATE AND KEEP MOVING ON. 
          I KNOW YOU FOLKS WILL DO THE RIGHT THING, AND I THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU JOE. 
          ROBERT LERNER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, PAM, UH, SCHOFF HOR. 
          ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. 
          I AM BOBBY LERNER. 
          I MANAGE THE SEDONA TROLLEY. 
          I'VE BEEN IN UPTOWN FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 
          I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR EIGHT YEARS, LIVED AND WORKED IN UPTOWN ALL OF THOSE EIGHT YEARS. 
          UH, THE TROLLEY COMPANY, I AM ON THE FRONT LINES EVERY DAY. 
          I'M IN THE FACE OF TRAFFIC IN UPTOWN, AND MY TROLLEY SIT IN TRAFFIC BOTH ON THE 1 79 AND THE 89 A. 
          AND I WANT TO TELL YOU, ALL YEAR LONG WE DEAL WITH TRAFFIC. 
          I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS. 
          WE ALL LIVE HERE. 
          WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I URGE YOU TO PUSH FORWARD THAT PARKING GARAGE. 
          MY RESIDENTS CALL ME DAILY LOOKING FOR PARKING. 
          EVERY SINGLE, UH, EVERY SINGLE SCHEDULE THAT, EVERY TOUR THAT WE BOOK, AND EVERY TIME WE TALK TO A CUSTOMER, WE TELL THEM TO REFERENCE THE PARKING MAP AT THE BOTTOM OF OUR WEBSITE. 
          THAT IS THE CITY OF SEDONA PARKING. 
          IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR FOLKS IN AN ELEVATED AGE. 
          NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO USE A CELL PHONE OR HOW TO WORK THE AT THE MAPS AT, BUT IF WE HAD TO PARK A LITTLE FEW MORE PARKING, UH, SPACES IN UPTOWN SEDONA, MORE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE SO MUCH EASIER. 
          WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE CALL US DAY AFTER DAY. 
          UH, IT TAKES US OFTENTIMES AN HOUR TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF SEDONA BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC. 
          WE ALL KNOW THIS, RIGHT? SO PLEASE PUSH THAT FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          THANK YOU BOBBY. 
          UH, PAMELA, ARE YOU STILL HERE? I DIDN'T SEE A HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          JOEL BOWERS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY AL CAPELLO. 
          OH, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          ARE YOU, ARE YOU JOEL? JOEL BOWERS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          JUST BE SURE. 
          I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF PAMELA ALL OF A SUDDEN SHOWED UP AND I MISSED SOMETHING. 
          OKAY. 
          JOEL AND THEN JOEL, BE AL CAMELLA. 
          SO YOU'LL BE NEXT. 
          AND GOOD, GOOD COMPANY. 
          MY NAME IS JOEL BOWERS AND I RESIDE IN WEST SEDONA MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I STAND HERE TODAY IN FAVOR OF A MULTI-LEVEL 272 PLUS SPACE PARKING GARAGE TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON FOREST ROAD. 
          I CONSIDER THE FOREST ROAD GARAGE TO BE ESSENTIAL TO THE GROWTH OF THE CITY OF SEDONAS FUTURE PARKING, AND IN PARTICULAR THE UPTOWN SEDONA PARKING PROBLEM. 
          I ALSO FEEL THAT THE GARAGE IS AN INTEGRAL COMPONENT OF THE CITY OF SEDONAS FUTURE EMERGENCY PLAN, ALONG WITH THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION CONNECTION PROJECT. 
          IF THE CITY OF SEDONA WERE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION SITUATION LIKE THOSE THAT WERE NECESSARY IN LAINA AND IN PARADISE FIRES, 
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I WOULD THINK THAT THE 680 PLUS HOMES RESIDENCES IN UPTOWN WOULD FEEL SAFER KNOWING THAT THEY HAD A HUB TO EVACUATE FROM. 
          AS PART OF A CLEAR MASTER EVACUATION PLAN AND ALSO IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OUR EMERGENCY FIRST RESPONDERS. 
          THE KIMLEY HORN STUDY AND PRESENTATION CLEARLY SHOWS THE NEED FOR PARKING, CURRENTLY 185 TO 300 PLUS PARKING SPOTS IN UPTOWN AND ALSO IN THE FUTURE. 
          IN MY OPINION, THE CHOICE TO BUILD THE GARAGE IS CLEAR. 
          IN MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, PARKING IN UPTOWN OVER THE LAST 13 YEARS OF LIVING IN SEDONA, I OFTEN FIND IT HARD TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK AND END UP CIRCULATING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPOT. 
          OF COURSE, THAT IS NEAR WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO. 
          IN MY OPINION. 
          THERE IS A MAJOR REASON THIS IS A MAJOR REASON FOR TRAFFIC CONGESTION IN UPTOWN, IN THE Y ROUNDABOUT AREA IS THE TOURIST TRYING TO FIND THE LACK OF PARKING AND ONE OF THE CITY MUNICIPAL LOTS AND SLOWLY TRYING TO USE THE WAY FINDING SIGNS FOR THOSE LOTS. 
          ALSO, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT USUALLY BROUGHT UP IN REGARDS TO THIS GARAGE PROJECT, WHICH IS THAT THE CURRENT BUDGET ALSO INCLUDES A FAIR AMOUNT OF SIDEWALK INFRASTRUCTURE AND PREMIUM CONSTRUCTION COSTS, INCLUDING ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, SATELLITE POLICE STATION AND TRANSIT HUB, ET CETERA. 
          AND ALSO RECON RECONFIGURATION OF STORM DRAINS ON FOREST ROAD. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY BEING SPENT THERE. 
          IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE PLANS FOR A 10 FOOT MULTI-USE PATH TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD, CONNECTING TO THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT AND A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE CONNECTING BOTH SIDES OF FOREST ROAD TO 89 A, WHICH ARE CERTAINLY NEEDED, BUT OF COURSE ALL COSTS MONEY. 
          I, JOE, YOU COULD HAVE FINISHED A SENTENCE. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          JOE JOEL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, JOE. 
          BUT OKAY. 
          AL UH, CAMELO, UH, WILL BE THE LAST PUBLIC SPEAKER. 
          LINDA GOLDSTEIN HAS THE CARD. 
          SHE HAD TO LEAVE UNLESS SHE CAME BACK. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          OKAY. 
          AL CAMELO, I ENJOY BEING IN THE LAST, AT LEAST OF THIS GROUP. 
          UM, AL ELLO, RESIDENT OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, UH, THE RESIDENT OF THE AREA SINCE, UH, 1998. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS EMPHASIS ON TECHNOLOGY WILL BE BROUGHT UP BY OTHERS ALSO. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          AND I AGREE WITH ERNIE THAT TECHNOLOGY SHOULD BE FACTORED INTO THE CITY'S, UH, TRAFFIC AND MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE A WEBSITE CALLED SEDONA TRAFFIC.COM, WHICH I'M REALLY QUITE PROUD OF BECAUSE I SEE THE HITS THAT IT GETS, IT TELLS PEOPLE HOW TO GET IN AND OUT OF SEDONA AND GIVING THEM ACCURATE, REAL TIME TRAFFIC. 
          MATTER OF FACT, I'M CONVERTING IT INTO AN APP RIGHT NOW JUST FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY GREAT TO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT WHEN THEY KNOW THE FACTS, IT REALLY MAKES LIFE IN SEDONA WORK BETTER. 
          SPEAKING OF TECHNOLOGY, THE CA CITY HAS A WEBSITE THAT ALLOWS EVERYBODY TO SEND AN EMAIL TO ALL, UH, SEVEN OF YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER. 
          AND FOR SOME REASON IT STOPPED WORKING OVER THE YESTERDAY AND, AND TODAY, TECHNOLOGY SOMETIMES FAILS. 
          AND OF COURSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY IS TECHNOLOGICALLY, UH, INCLINED TO, UH, SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS WITH THIS WONDERFUL LITTLE DEVICE. 
          SO DON'T RELY ON TECHNOLOGY, RELY ON COMMON SENSE AND SIGNAGE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE USE TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B. 
          ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS, IN TALKING WITH THE FOLKS THAT WORK AT THE VISITOR CENTER IN UPTOWN, THEY SEE 500 OR MORE VISITORS A DAY AND THEY HEAR THE STORIES OF HORROR OF PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK. 
          IT IS NOT FUNNY, AS A MATTER OF FACT. 
          UM, WHEN YOU COME IN AND WORK ON A SHIFT, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS. 
          SOMETIMES FINDING A PLACE TO PARK JUST SO THAT THEY CAN GO WORK AT THE VISITOR CENTER IS NOT, UM, VERY EASY. 
          AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, UM, IF YOU HAVE A, UH, UH, A NEED TO, TO, UM, UM, FIND A PLACE TO PARK AND YOU CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PARK, YOU BREAK THE RULES. 
          ONE OF THE RULES IS, IF YOU EVER LOOKED AT ALL THE PARKING THAT THE HYATT COMPLEX HAS IN FRONT OF THE SHOP'S OPINION POINT, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PARKING SPACES THERE MEANT FOR THEIR PRIVATELY OWNED BY THE HYATT COMPLEX. 
          A LOT OF THOSE PARKING SPACES SOMETIMES ARE GET USED BY EMPLOYEES 
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WALKING INTO UPTOWN TO GO TO WORK SOMEWHERE OR WALKING INTO UPTOWN TO BE A SHOPPER. 
          THOSE ARE PRIVATE PARKING SPACES. 
          THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SUPPLIED BY THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM. 
          WE ARE. 
          IT'S ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES OF HOW WE ARE ALLOWING, UM, OTHER PEOPLE TO DO OUR JOB. 
          AND IN GENERAL, I WOULD THINK THAT ADDRESSING THE ISSUES OF PARKING AND PARKING MANAGEMENT AS A CITY RESPONSIBILITY IS BEING MET. 
          I ACTUALLY DID IT. 
          THREE MINUTES. 
          AMAZING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PROUD OF YOU. 
          PROUD OF YOU AL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO WITH, UH, RESIDENTS UNITE. 
          I'VE GOT, UH, FOUR CARDS HERE SO YOU CAN, THE, UH, HOW DO YOU WANT TO USE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET NINE MINUTES. 
          SO FOUR CARDS IS NINE MINUTES? YES. 
          WELL, MAX IS NINE MINUTES, SO IF YOU WANT, WE'RE GONNA TRY EACH DO THREE MINUTES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THEN ANN, YOU'RE GONNA GET TO GO FIRST. 
          UH, KIM, UH, GRILL. 
          UH, SEAN SMITH AFTER, AND THEN MARK BROOK. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION OR ARE THEY ALL DOING IT IN MORNING? KIM'S NOT. 
          THEY ALL DOING KIM'S NOT IN OUR GROUP. 
          WHAT'S THAT, NANCY? I YELLED IT TO. 
          OH, YOU DID? OH, OKAY. 
          SO I GET, YES, HOLD ON. 
          YES. 
          YOU SAID ALL OF YOU ARE GOING TO THEN DO YOUR THREE MINUTES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL, WE WERE TOLD WE ONLY HAD NINE MINUTES. 
          THE WEATHER, WEATHER, THE CLOCK IS SUPPOSED TO BE THREE MINUTES OR NINE MINUTES. 
          WHETHER YOU WANNA BE TIMED AT THREE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          IT'S THREE MINUTES. 
          I GOT THAT, BUT I DIDN'T, OKAY. 
          IS KIM, IS KIM YIELDING? DO I GET, I I CAN'T USE HER TIME, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, NOT IF YOU'RE DOING THREE MINUTES. 
          YOU WANT, YOU WANNA DO FIRST OR YOU WANT, YOU'RE REALLY MESSING UP THE WORKS HERE. 
          SO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU WANNA DO. 
          WELL, I WANT I WANT YOU TO BE HEARD, BUT I I, OKAY. 
          AS AN, AS A INDIVIDUAL, IF KIM IS YIELDING HER TIME, CAN I HAVE SIX MINUTES AND THEN THREE AND THREE. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          REGROUP HERE. 
          UM, I'M ANN KELLY. 
          I LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          I ALSO AM A, A MEMBER OF SEDONA RESIDENCE UNITE. 
          AND WE WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR WE FULLY SUPPORT DELIVERING A PARKING SOLUTION TO IMPROVE THE SHOPPING EXPERIENCE IN UPTOWN. 
          WE LIKE TO SHOP IN UPTOWN. 
          I SPENT ABOUT $400 THERE YESTERDAY TO LET YOU KNOW. 
          UM, WE BELIEVE THAT A PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE SOON. 
          WHILE WHETHER YOU BUILD A GARAGE OR NOT, WE NEED A PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM. 
          I MEAN, JEREMIAH GAVE THE SPEECH FOR ME. 
          PEOPLE ARE WANDERING AROUND. 
          UM, WE ONLY USE 85% OF THE PARKING THAT'S THERE. 
          IF WE PUT A PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM IN, WE WOULD GET THAT EXTRA 15% INSTANTLY. 
          THEY'VE COME A LONG WAY. 
          AND US OLD CADRES CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE AN IPHONE AND, AND APPS YOUNG ERNIE, I'M SORRY ERNIE, I DON'T WANNA DRAG YOU INTO BEING OLD CADGER. 
          UM, THE PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM NOW, THE SENSORS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 10 YEARS. 
          YOU PUT ONE IN EACH PARKING PLACE YOU CAN THEN I CAN GET MY APP, I CAN CALL IT UP AND I CAN SAY, OH, I WANT TO GO EAT AT COWBOY CLUB. 
          WHERE'S THE CLOSEST PLACE? AND I PICK THAT SPOT AND IT THEN KICKS ME OVER TO MY MAP APP AND I START DRIVING TOWARD MY PARKING PLACE. 
          WELL, GUESS WHAT? SOMEBODY ELSE PULLS INTO IT. 
          THEN IT TELLS ME THE NEXT CLOSEST ONE. 
          AND IT SENDS ME IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          IF WE TURN TO WHERE WE WANT TO ACTUALLY CHARGE FOR PARKING, WHEN I GET TO THAT SPOT AND I PARK, IT KICKS ME OVER TO THE, UH, THE PAY APP AND IT SAYS, OKAY, THIS SPOT COSTS A DOLLAR AN HOUR, WHATEVER IT IS, AND I GO AHEAD AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. 
          FOR THOSE OF US WHO CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT, THEY HAVE THE ELECTRONIC WAYFINDER SIGNS, THE DIGITAL SIGNS, AND THEY'RE ACCURATE. 
          THEY'RE MUCH MORE ACCURATE IN THE PAST. 
          SO WE COULD HAVE THE SIGN COMING IN FROM THE CANYON. 
          YOU GO UP THE ROAD AND IT SAYS PARKING LOT FOUR HAS EIGHT SPOTS, PARKING LOT FIVE HAS 25 SPOTS, PARKING LOT SIX HAS 17 SPOTS. 
          AND THEY ACTUALLY DO. 
          AND THOSE PEOPLE CAN GET INTO THOSE PARKING PLACES, THEY CAN PARK, AND WHEN THEY'RE WALKING OUT, THERE'LL BE A QR CODE, THEY CAN SCAN THAT QR CODE AND NOW THEY'RE INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE IT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME. 
          WE KNOW EVERYBODY SHOWS UP IN UPTOWN BETWEEN, WHAT IS IT? 11 AND ONE OR EVEN THIS NOW. 
          THEY CAN BE SITTING IN THE HOTEL, THEY PULL UP THE APP AND THEY GO, HOLY MOLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME TO GO TO UPTOWN. 
          LET'S WAIT TILL LATER. 
          LET'S LET SOME OF THE PARKING CLEAR OUT. 
          OR LET'S PLAN TO GO IN EARLIER. 
          LET'S GO IN AT 10 OR NINE WHEN THE SHOPS OPEN, THE RESIDENTS WERE SITTING THERE SAYING, OH MY GOSH, IT'S NOVEMBER. 
          THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD I'M GOING TO UPTOWN. 
          NO, LET ME PULL UP MY APP AND GO, WOW, IT'S WEDNESDAY. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY THAT BAD. 
          LET'S GO, LET'S, LET'S GO GRAB LUNCH AND, AND BUY SOME STUFF IN UPTOWN FOR CHRISTMAS. 
          SO I THINK IT MAKES 
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UPTOWN VISIBLE. 
          EVEN IF YOU BUILD A PARKING LOT, IT'S INVISIBLE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S 10 PEOPLE IN IT OR 272. 
          SO I'M GONNA GO UP THREE FLOORS OF THE PARKING LOT AND THEN COME ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN TO FIND OUT IT'S FULL. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED THIS TECHNOLOGY NOW. 
          IT'S LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          IT TAKES A FEW MONTHS TO PUT IN AND IT GIVES US DATA, IT GIVES US ENDLESS DATA. 
          AND THEN WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN, IN DOWNTOWN. 
          DID I USE, DID YOU NOT SET IT? OH, I HAVE SET. 
          OH, I HAVE MORE TIME. 
          YEP. 
          SO YEAH, I WAS CUT IT SO SHORT. 
          YOU'RE ON A GREEN LIGHT TO YOUR RIGHT. 
          THE OLD THE OLD SYSTEM ON YOUR RIGHT. 
          THE OLD SYSTEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THE OTHER DATA, THEY, THEY DID A STUDY IN SAN FRANCISCO WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY OR SIMILAR AND THEY HAD A 43% DECREASE IN SEARCH TIME. 
          SO IT WORKS. 
          AND A 30% REDUCTION IN GREENHOUSE GASES. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING FOR YOUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL DELIVER MORE CUSTOMERS AND HAPPY CUSTOMERS, AND IT IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          IT'S TO ADD MORE STRENGTH TO, UM, THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          SO I'LL JUST QUIT THERE. 
          I CUT IT SO SHORT. 
          FORGOT ELSE I WANTED TO SAY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU ANN. 
          OKAY, SEAN, YOU'RE UP, FOLLOWED BY MARK. 
          AND THEN KAREN WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, COMMENTS. 
          AND I'M JUST UP FOR THREE SO THAT, YES. 
          SO YOU'LL BE USING THE MODERN ELECTRONIC TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE ON THE WALL, BETTER LIVING THROUGH TECHNOLOGY. 
          . 
          SO I ENVY, I ENJOY USING UPTOWN. 
          UH, I SAD HERE. 
          THE BUSINESSES THINK RESIDENTS AREN'T ACCRETIVE BECAUSE WE DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAXES. 
          SEAN, DID YOU START WITH YOUR, SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          SEAN SMITH RES, UH, SEDONA RESIDENT. 
          SO PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEMS WORK AS KATHY SAID, UH, IT'S NOT JUST ANOTHER STUDY, BUT A MASHUP OF SOLUTION AND DATA. 
          THE TECH HAS EVOLVED SINCE SEDONA LAST LOOKED AT IT. 
          IT'S READY FOR PRIME TIME. 
          SO WE DID RESEARCH ON THIS AND WE FOUND, UH, VARIOUS CITIES USING THIS. 
          AND WE TALKED TO THE CITY OF SPRUCE GROVE, A TOWN OF 39,000. 
          AND THEIR OPINION WAS THAT STUDIES ARE A POINT IN TIME. 
          SO THE DYNAMIC NATURE OF IT, OF THE CHANGING LANDSCAPE, OF EXAMPLE, THE WIDENING OF I 17 LANES BRINGING MORE DEMAND THAN WAS MODELED, UH, YOU KNOW, MERITED SOMETHING MORE THAN STUDIES. 
          SO THEY WENT AND THEY DID A PILOT WITH THE PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM AND IN ONE YEAR THEY CONVINCED THEM TO GO ALL IN. 
          AND THEN THEY OUTFITTED ALL OF THEIR STALLS WITH SENSORS IN GROUND SENSORS. 
          10 YEAR MAINTENANCE CYCLE. 
          LIKE ANN SAID, LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS IN IN MONTHS. 
          THE BENEFITS WERE CLEAR AND IMMEDIATE. 
          IT WAS RELIABLE, AFFORDABLE, REAL-TIME DATA, 24 7 MONTHS, NOT YEARS TO IMPLEMENT. 
          SHOWED EXACTLY WHERE THE EMPLOYEES WERE PARKING BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE DWELL TIMES IN EACH OF THE STALLS. 
          SO THEY WERE ABLE TO KIND OF MOVE THE EMPLOYEES AROUND THROUGH A STRATEGY OF PRICING, DEMAND PRICING AND, UM, MAKE MAKING THE IN TOWARDS THE CORE FREE, BUT OR, UH, PAY FOR, SORRY. 
          AND OUT OF THE CORE, UH, FOR FREE. 
          THE, UH, EXACTLY IT REDUCED CIRCLING TIME. 
          THAT APP WAS DIRECTING TO OPEN SPOTS. 
          THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN AN APP THAT JUST TELLS YOU WHERE THE LOTS ARE. 
          UH, IT SHOWED EV CHARGING VIOLATIONS, PEOPLE PARKING IN EV LOTS AND NOT ACTUALLY CHARGING BECAUSE THEY COULD CORRELATE THE EV CHARGING DATA WITH THE DWELL TIME IN THE, IN THE EV SPOTS, FIRE HYDRANT VIOLATIONS. 
          THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHEN SOMEBODY PARKED IN FRONT OF A FIRE HIGHWAY COULD GO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF, AND ALSO SHOWED MAINTENANCE WINDOWS. 
          THEY HAVE SNOWPLOW ISSUES AND WHATNOT. 
          SO THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO SEE WHERE THE BEST TIMES OF DAY IT WAS TO USE THAT APPS. 
          THE USERS GOT NOTIFICATIONS FOR OVERSTAY AND THEY COULD JUST RE-UP PAYMENT RIGHT THERE WHILE THEY'RE STILL IN THE RESTAURANT. 
          AND IT SHOWED TO THEM WHERE LOADING ZONES ARE NEEDED. 
          SO THE SHORT DWELL TIMES PEOPLE IN AND OUT FOR FIVE MINUTES, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CITE THEM AND TICKET THEM, THEY SAID, WELL, IT'S, THIS OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE A LOADING ZONE. 
          AND SO IT KIND OF HELPED THEM SHOW WHERE THAT WAS. 
          SO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT GOT REPORTS MONTHLY, DOZENS OF ANALYTICAL OPPORTUNITIES, NO ADDITIONAL STAFF REQUIRED. 
          SO IT WAS A WIN-WIN. 
          SO MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT WE DO THE GARAGE AS A SURFACE LOT. 
          FIRST WE DO THE PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM AND WE SEE WHERE THINGS LIE. 
          CHECK IT OUT FOR A YEAR, FIGURE OUT IF YOU ACTUALLY DO NEED THAT. 
          AND THEN WE GO. 
          SO THE THE PROOF AND ALL OF THIS TO ME IS PACKET, PAGE 37, SCENARIO D, WHERE WE DO ALL THE CONSOLIDATION AND WE LOSE ALL THE LOTS FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE GO FROM A SUPPLY OF 2026 OF 830 LOTS TO A SUPPLY, I'M SORRY, 2023 OF 830 SPOTS TO 2026 OF 699 SPOTS. 
          WE LOSE 132 SPOTS IN, UH, THREE YEARS. 
          THANK YOU SEAN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MARK, BROOK, AND MARK WILL BE THE LAST, THAT'S NOT TO MENTION THE PEOPLE. 
          THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL GET A CHANCE AFTER OUR BREAK, UH, BUT, UH, MARK WILL BE THE LAST PERSON AT THIS TIME. 
          THEY'LL LAST. 
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UH, I'M MARK BROOK, UH, OF, UH, UPTOWN SEDONA. 
          AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WHICH IS EMPLOYEE PARKING MANAGEMENT. 
          UH, THIS PARKING STUDY UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T REVIEW, UH, WHERE WERE, WHERE WERE, UH, EMPLOYEES PARKING. 
          UH, THERE'S LIKELY OVER 500 PEOPLE THAT WORK IN UPTOWN THAT ARE PARKING IN UPTOWN. 
          THAT'S ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE SUPPLY. 
          UH, MANY OF THEM, AS WAS STATED EARLIER, HAVE BEEN USING ON-STREET PARKING AND OTHER LOTS THAT COULD BE USED FOR CUSTOMERS IF WE BUILD THE GARAGE. 
          NOW WHAT DO WE, IS IT REALLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES? UH, THEY ARRIVE FIRST, SO THEY HAVE FIRST DIBS. 
          IS THIS CORPORATE WELFARE PERHAPS, OR SHOULD THIS BE USED FOR CUSTOMERS? UH, AND WILL CUSTOMERS BE WANDERING AROUND ANYWAY? I THINK A BETTER EMPLOYEE PARKING WOULD FREE UP THE PUBLIC PARKING FOR OTHER USES, LIKE PAYING CUSTOMERS. 
          AND IT'S ONLY 50 TO 60 DAYS A YEAR THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH EMPLOYEE PARKING. 
          WE DID A, A SHORT SURVEY AND WE FOUND ABOUT 150 BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN. 
          AND I WAS SURPRISED THAT THAT PROBABLY RELATES TO AT LEAST 500, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT ARE PARKING AND USING CUSTOMER PARKING THAT COULD BE USED IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          SO HOW DO YOU USE, HOW DO YOU GET EMPLOYEES INTO UPTOWN? WELL, YOU COULD MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY, WHO, WHO'S EMPLOYING WHO AND WHERE THEY'RE PARKING. 
          THEY COULD HAVE A PLACARD. 
          YOU COULD ALSO SET UP A PARKING, A SET ASIDE, PARKING SPECIFICALLY FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          YOU COULD ALSO PROVIDE TRANSIT OPTIONS THAT DURING THESE PEAK PERIODS WOULD BRING EMPLOYEES IN TO UPTOWN. 
          WE KNOW FROM PAST STUDIES THAT ALMOST 90% OF EMPLOYEES DRIVE TO UPTOWN. 
          SO IF WE COULD OFFSET THAT INTO, UH, TRANSIT, THAT WOULD REALLY HELP. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS WE SHOULD SET UP RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, UH, FOR AREAS THAT ARE SEEN PARKING ALONG THE SIDES OF THE STREETS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN UPTOWN CAN PARK AND OTHERS CANNOT. 
          UH, WE DID IN OUR LITTLE PACKAGE SHOW THE AREA BEHIND THE ROYAL ROBO, UH, AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION, UH, FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING OF UP TO 300 SPACES. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH IT'D BE USED FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, IT WOULD FREE UP OTHER PARKING. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING REALLY IN SUMMARY IS A STEPWISE APPROACH. 
          FIRST, IMPLEMENT A PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM IN UPTOWN. 
          MAKE THE BEST USE OF THE PARKING WE HAVE. 
          EVALUATE HOW THAT PARKING IS USED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. 
          DETERMINE AND DO A REALLY GOOD STUDY OF THE UPTOWN EMPLOYEES AND WHERE THEY PARK. 
          AND THEN CONSIDER NEW OPTIONS FOR WHERE THE EMPLOYEE, WHERE SHOULD EMPLOYEES PARK AND COULD TRANSIT BE USED DURING THOSE PEAK PERIODS TO BRING EMPLOYEES IN. 
          AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN UPTOWN SHOULD BE ZONED AS, UH, RESIDENT PARKING ONLY. 
          FINALLY, AFTER ALL THAT INFORMATION IS GATHERED AND WE'VE DONE OUR BEST, THEN WE CAN MOVE TO, UH, DETERMINING WHETHER THE PARKING GARAGE IS REALLY NEEDED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MARK. 
          BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK, UH, AND I, THE CITY MANAGER WISHES TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS SO FAR. 
          KAREN, ALL YOURS? I DO. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE SEDONA RESIDENTS UNITE COPYING ME, UH, ON THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY SENT THIS MORNING. 
          SO I HAD A CHANCE TO, UM, TO LOOK AT THEIR PROPOSAL AND, AND I DO HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS ABOUT IT THAT I THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS LONG AS WE ARE, UM, DOING A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF, OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IN TERMS OF OPTIONS AND DECISION MAKING. 
          I DO APPRECIATE THEIR WILLINGNESS TO INVEST TIME THINKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS. 
          I DON'T DISAGREE THAT USING TECHNOLOGY FOR PARKING GUIDANCE CAN BE OF VALUE, BUT IT IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTION TO THE UPTOWN ISSUES. 
          THIS TECHNOLOGY IS PLANNED FOR THE PARKING GARAGE PROJECT, AND WE DID IMPLEMENT THIS TECHNOLOGY ON MAIN STREET AND THE MUNICIPAL LOT YEARS AGO. 
          GRANTED, THE SYSTEMS NEVER WORKED AS PROMISED FOR NUMEROUS REASONS, UH, THAT I WON'T GET INTO THOSE. 
          BUT ONE OF THOSE WAS INCLUDING THE POOR INTERNET SERVICE IN UPTOWN. 
          AND THESE SYSTEMS RELY ON TRANSMITTING INFORMATION WIRELESSLY. 
          BUT I ALSO DON'T DOUBT TECHNOLOGY HAS IMPROVED IN THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS AND IMPLEMENTING A NEW SYSTEM FOR THE PARKING AREAS WE ACTUALLY WANT TO PUSH PEOPLE TO WOULD BE A VALUE. 
          BUT THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT MUCH OF THE EXISTING PUBLIC PARKING THAT THEY ARE SUGGESTING WE PUSH PEOPLE TO ISN'T WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          AND HAVING ASPHALT JUNGLES SCATTERED THROUGHOUT UPTOWN IS NOT THE BEST WE CAN DO TO PROVIDE A PARKING SOLUTION FOR THIS AREA. 
          THIS PARKING DOES TURN OVER NUMEROUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, SO YOU AREN'T ELIMINATING THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATING THROUGH UPTOWN LIKE THE GARAGE PROJECT WOULD DO. 
          IT DOESN'T SUPPORT 
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TRANSIT LIKE CONSOLIDATED PARKING DOES, AND IT'S NOT BETTER ENVIRONMENTALLY. 
          SRU ALSO CLAIMS THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS SYSTEM WILL RESULT IN AN EXCELLENT VISITOR EXPERIENCE. 
          I WOULD ARGUE THAT ADDING A WAYFINDING APP TO AN EXISTING SUBPAR PARKING CONFIGURATION DOES NOT DO THAT. 
          WHAT PROVIDES AN EXCELLENT VISITOR EXPERIENCE IS PROVIDING A PARKING EXPERIENCE THAT IS IN A CONVENIENT LOCATION, FULLY CONNECTED WITH SIDEWALK AND LIGHTING AND ADA ACCESS AND NOT TO BE UNDERESTIMATED RESTROOM FACILITIES. 
          ALSO DIRECT ACCESS TO AND FROM WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO. 
          EIGHT OR 10 OR 12 SEPARATE SEAS OF ASPHALT SCATTERED THROUGHOUT UPTOWN AND RESIDENTIAL STREET PARKING WITH NO AMENITIES OR CONNECTED INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT EASILY ACCESSED OR EASILY LOCATABLE FOR A PEDESTRIAN TO FIND IT ON THEIR WAY BACK TO THEIR VEHICLE IS NOT AN EXCELLENT VISITOR EXPERIENCE. 
          A PARKING GARAGE ON FORCE ROAD WITH A TRANSIT CIRCULATOR AND CONNECTION TO ALAKA PARKING AND HILLSIDE BEING EASY TO GET TO FOR THE 85% OF PEOPLE COMING FROM THE SOUTH, KEEPING THEM COMPLETELY OUT OF HAVING TO CIRCULATE THROUGH UPTOWN, BOTH IN THEIR VEHICLES AND OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES. 
          SUPERIOR INGRESS AND EGRESS OPTIONS WITH THE FORCE ROAD CONNECTION. 
          OPTIMAL, OPTIMAL SUPPORT OF TRANSIT. 
          AND YES, THE PROVISION OF RESTROOMS, THAT'S WHAT WILL PROVIDE A SUPERIOR VISITOR EXPERIENCE. 
          SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION WAS ALOTE IS AN OPTION FOR PUBLIC PARKING. 
          TRUE. 
          THEY DON'T OPEN UNTIL 5:00 PM BUT WHAT THE RESIDENTS WOULDN'T KNOW IS THAT THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING SHARED PARKING USE AGREEMENT BETWEEN ALOTE AND A COFFEE SHOP NEXT DOOR DURING THE DAY THAT PARKING'S UTILIZED FOR THE COFFEE SHOP IN THE EVENING FOR A LOCATE. 
          THE LOCATION ALSO ISN'T THE RIGHT LOCATION. 
          IT'S IN THE NORTH. 
          WE'RE STILL PUSHING PEOPLE THROUGHOUT UPTOWN TO TRY TO FIND A PARKING LOT. 
          THEY CLAIM THAT SOMEHOW THIS SYSTEM WILL INCREASE THE EFFECTIVE PARKING SUPPLY FROM 85% TO 100%. 
          I'LL LET JEREMIAH ADDRESS THAT FURTHER, BUT THAT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE. 
          EFFECTIVE SUPPLY IS STILL 85% FURTHER IN IN OUR PARKING EXPERTS EXPERIENCE. 
          THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS WORK BEST IN A CONSOLIDATED SCENARIO LIKE A PARKING GARAGE, NOT FOR PARKING. 
          THAT IS AS SPREAD OUT AS OUR CURRENT SURFACE. 
          LOTS AND UNMANAGED RESIDENTIAL AND OTHER ON-STREET PARKING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF SRU IS ASSUMING 100% UTILIZATION OF THE APP. 
          WE'VE HAD AN APP FOR BOTH WAY FINDING AND PAYING FOR METERED PARKING. 
          LESS THAN 10% OF OUR VISITORS USE IT. 
          I'M SURE WE COULD GET THAT UTILIZATION HIGHER, BUT IT'S UNLIKELY THAT SOMEONE VISITING FOR A FEW HOURS WILL BE DOWNLOADING THE APP IN ADVANCE. 
          MAYBE ONCE THEY GET INTO UPTOWN AND CAN'T FIND PARKING, BUT THEN THEY'RE ALREADY CIRCULATING. 
          THEY MENTIONED THIS PROJECT WOULD TAKE FUNDING AWAY FROM OTHER PROJECTS. 
          THAT IS NOT AT ALL THE CASE. 
          THERE ARE NUMEROUS FUNDING OPTIONS, BUT I CAN'T ENVISION A SCENARIO WHERE THE GARAGE WOULD NOT HAVE A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE, LIKELY THROUGH USER FEES TO FULLY FUND ITS CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS AND VERY LIKELY GENERATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO PUT TOWARDS THE PROVISION OF TRANSIT OR EVEN CONTRIBUTE TO OTHER UPTOWN PARKINGS AND EN AND ENHANCE ENHANCEMENT. 
          THERE'S NO DOUBT. 
          AS WE GET INTO DISCUSSION, YOU'RE GONNA ASK ME MORE ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS. 
          I'M, I'M READY TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THAT. 
          THE SRU PROPOSAL ALSO DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PROJECTED PARKING DEFICITS OR ADD TO SUPPLY. 
          THEY HAVE SUGGESTED THAT WE CAN GET OVER A HUNDRED SPACES IF THE FOREST ROAD SITE IS BUILT AS A SURFACE LOT, AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. 
          IT'S MORE LIKE 80 MAXIMUM AND LESS THAN 80 IF WE DO ADD A RESTROOM FACILITY, WHICH I THINK EVERYONE AGREES IS NEEDED. 
          FURTHER, THEY TALK ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD ACROSS FROM THE GARAGE SITE AS SURFACE PARKING. 
          AND I DO, WE HAVE A, UM, A, A MAP. 
          SO THAT'S SIMPLY INFEASIBLE. 
          THE CITY OWNS NONE OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          PART OF THAT IS ALREADY PUBLIC PARKING SUPPLY. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T ADD TO ANYTHING IF WE SPEND MONEY TO BUY THE PROPERTY VERSUS IT BEING OWNED BY THE FIRE DISTRICT, WHICH IT IS NOW. 
          UM, AND IF IT CONTINUES TO BE OWNED BY SFD, IT WILL NOT REMAIN A PUBLIC PARKING LOT. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY TOLD US THAT. 
          SO WE WILL LOSE THAT PARKING AT SOME 
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POINT. 
          WHAT SRU IS SHOWING WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF THE MACRO CELL TOWER ON THE SITE, WHICH IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AND THEY HAVEN'T CONSIDERED THE FACT THAT THERE ARE EASEMENTS THAT MUST BE KEPT OPEN FOR ACCESS TO THE CELL SITE. 
          WE ESTIMATE IT'S MORE LIKE 20 ADDITIONAL SPACES IF YOU REMOVE THE FIRE STATION ITSELF. 
          THE ANNEX BUILDING IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT SFD IS, UM, IS PLANNING TO KEEP BECAUSE THEY USE IT FOR SOME OF THEIR OTHER OPERATIONS. 
          THE TWO LOTS THAT YOU SEE BEHIND THE FIRE DISTRICT PARKING LOT ARE ALSO PRIVATELY OWNED. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE SITE AND WE DON'T OWN THAT. 
          SFD DOESN'T OWN THAT. 
          AND THOSE ARE OTHER EXISTING LAND USES. 
          SO UNLESS WE'RE PREPARED TO CONDEMN THOSE, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE, THAT'S NOT VIABLE FOR SURFACE PARKING. 
          FINALLY, 11 X IS A THREE YEAR OLD STARTUP STILL DOING PILOT PROJECTS BECAUSE THEIR TECHNOLOGY IS NOT PROVEN. 
          OF COURSE WE WOULD DO A FULL COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT AND WE WOULD LOOK AT GUIDANCE SYSTEMS THAT DO HAVE SOME LONGEVITY BEHIND THEM, BUT TO PROPOSE 11 X AND MORE SERVICE PARKING IN PLACES WHERE IT, IT CAN'T BE PLACED AS THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION TO OUR UPTOWN PARKING ISSUES JUST SHOWS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF BOTH THE BIG PICTURE AND MANY OF THE DETAILS. 
          THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU HIRE EXPERTS AND STAFF. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TO FIGURE OUT AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. 
          THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY THINGS THAT SRU HAS BROUGHT UP THAT DO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A SUPPLY AND A DEFICIT ISSUE. 
          IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT WHETHER EMPLOYEES ARE UTILIZING THE CAPACITY OF THE PARKING THAT'S PROVIDED OR ITS VISITORS. 
          THE CAPACITY AND THE DEMAND STILL ARE WHAT WAS DETERMINED IN THIS STUDY. 
          SO DO WE HAVE TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS EVEN IF, IF WE MOVE FORWARD TODAY TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SUBSIDIZE PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES IN THE GARAGE OR WHETHER WE, UM, DESIGNATE THEM TO ONE OF THE OTHER PARKING LOCATIONS, WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. 
          UM, SO I, WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF JEREMIAH HERE. 
          SO IN TERMS OF, OF ANY OF THE PROPOSALS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, UM, THAT, THAT HE WANTS TO SHARE OR OFFER IN ADDITION TO ANY OF THAT, UM, I'D ASK THAT YOU WOULD JUST TRY TO DO THAT, JEREMIAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNSEL, DO YOU WANNA DO THAT NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? OKAY. 
          YEAH, LET'S TAKE A BREAK. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN WE HOLD THAT JEREMIAH, AND AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FORGOTTEN. 
          I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK YOU HAVE, UH, HOPE YOU'LL ALL STICK AROUND THIS. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, LENGTHY BUT INFORMATIVE, UH, CONTINUATION OF THE MEETING. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A 20 MINUTE BREAK. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          LET'S JUST GET, WE HAVE TO GET STARTED 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GET MO MOVING. 
          UH, NOW I WANT TO, UH, HAVE, I, WE'VE GOT FOUR CARDS FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          DO THE FOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS STILL WISH TO SPEAK? JUST RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          1, 2, 3. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THEN, UH, ABRAM COHEN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, SNI. 
          YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES TO SPEAK BECAUSE YOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT EXTRA LEEWAY BECAUSE YOU, YOU MAY HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. 
          I'M A COHEN. 
          I LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          I'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME. 
          A YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE, I'M GOING TO JUST TELL YOU THAT THE INTERESTS OF MY THROAT AT VOICE AT YOUR EARS. 
          I'M GOING TO YIELD MY TIME TO JOE WHO'LL SPEAK FOR BOTH OF US. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE'RE GOING KEEP, JUST EACH MEMBER WILL GET SIX MINUTES ONLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I YIELD TO JOE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU AVRAM. 
          THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING. 
          OKAY. 
          JOE ZENNI WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MIKE WISE AND THEN, UH, JESSE ALEXANDER. 
          OKAY. 
          HELLO, I'M, UH, MY NAME IS JOE ANI. 
          I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA. 
          EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. 
          UH, I WANNA FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A PARKING PROBLEM IN UPTOWN. 
          OKAY? AND, UM, WE WANT OUR BUSINESSES TO NOT ONLY SURVIVE, BUT TO THRIVE. 
          SO THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          HOWEVER, I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, PERSPECTIVE ON IT AS HAVING BEEN A REPRESENTATIVE, UM, ON THE TASK FORCE AFTER FIVE MONTHS OF PARTICIPATION. 
          I BELIEVE THE PROCESS LED BY KIMLEY HORNE AND THE CITY STAFF WAS FLAWED. 
          CONSEQUENTLY, I DO NOT ENDORSE THE TASK FORCE CONCLUSION THAT A GARAGE IS NECESSARY AND THAT IT SHOULD BE CITED ON FOREST 
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ROAD TO CLAIM THAT A GARAGE IN THAT LOCATION WILL MAKE UPTOWN SAFER, IS IRRESPONSIBLE AND CANNOT TRULY BE SUPPORTED BY ANY STUDY OR WORK CONDUCTED TODAY. 
          FROM MY VANTAGE POINT AS A PARTICIPANT IN THE PROCESS, I WANT TO URGE COUNSEL TO CONSIDER THE VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO A GARAGE THAT IS REPRESENTED IN THE TASK FORCE'S DECISION MATRIX IS OPTION NUMBER SIX. 
          THAT OPTION RECEIVED THE SECOND HIGHEST RATING CLOSELY BEHIND THE GARAGE ON FOREST ROAD. 
          THAT ALTERNATIVE WOULD CONSOLIDATE PARKING BETWEEN TWO LOTS, THE ONE CITED FOR THE PROPOSED GARAGE AND THE CITY LOT AT THE NORTH END OF UPTOWN USING KIMLEY HORN'S ANALYSIS. 
          THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF PARKING SPACES IN UPTOWN TODAY. 
          IF THE LOT PLAN FOR THE GARAGE WERE LEVELED AND UTILIZED FOR PARKING, IT WOULD ADD APPROXIMATELY 100 SPACES TO THE CURRENT INVENTORY THAT WOULD EXTEND THE ADEQUACY OF PUBLIC PARKING INVENTORY FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS GIVEN KIMLEY HORN'S NUMBERS. 
          NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER DECISIONS, OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN BESIDES A GARAGE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THAT THE GARAGE IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR TRAFFIC AND PARKING LOES ALONE. 
          THERE ARE OTHER CHANGES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN WITHIN, UM, THE UPTOWN DISTRICT AND THAT WILL HAPPEN THAT ARE BEYOND EVEN THE CITY'S CONTROL. 
          UM, IF THE LOT PLAN, OKAY, REMEMBER THAT THE GARAGE IS ESTIMATED TO MEET PARKING DEMAND FOR ONLY 10 YEARS. 
          LOGICALLY, ANY SOLUTION THAT ATTEMPTS TO MEET FUTURE PARKING DEMAND FOR UPTOWN, EXCUSE ME, WOULD BE FLAWED. 
          UH, THE OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE TO MANAGE DEMAND AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES COMING INTO UPTOWN. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, SPACES SHOULD BE ELIMINATED, NOT ADDED, AND THAT WE SHOULD BE LEANING ON A ROBUST TRANSIT PLAN TO BRING PEOPLE INTO UPTOWN, INTO, UM, OUR BUSINESSES. 
          THERE ARE SEVERAL ADVANTAGES TO CONSOLIDATING PARKING ON SURFACE LOTS WHERE WE'RE BUILDING A GARAGE AT THIS TIME. 
          ADDING THE HUNDRED, THE HUNDRED SPACES TO THE EXISTING VEHICULAR LOAD ON FOREST ROAD WOULD PROVIDE VALUABLE INFORMATION ON THE IMPACT AND HIGH DENSITY GARAGE MIGHT HAVE ON THIS ALREADY CONGESTED AREA OF UPTOWN. 
          I HAVE THREE MORE MINUTES, RIGHT? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WOULD DISCLOSE UNFORESEEN CHALLENGES THAT WOULD MAKE A PERMANENT SOLUTION MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          IT WOULD ALSO BRING MORE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO FOREST ROAD. 
          ANOTHER IMPACT THAT HAS NOT BEEN FULLY, UH, STUDIED. 
          THE PROMISED SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD AND RELOCATION OF THE CROSSWALK FURTHER UP THE STREET COULD BE COMPLETED AND THE IMPACT OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE FACTORED INTO A FINAL DECISION. 
          BOTH OF THE FOUR MENTIONED ACTIONS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY THE CITY OVER THE PAST YEAR, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WERE NOT. 
          IT WOULD ALLOW MORE TIME FOR A PROFESSIONAL IMPACT ANALYSIS OF EMERGENCY EVACUATION REQUIREMENTS WITH AND WITHOUT A MULTI-LEVEL GARAGE TO BE CONDUCTED UTILIZING APPLICABLE MODELING SOFTWARE. 
          AND UNDER THE SCENARIO OF FAST MOVING WILDFIRE COMING FROM ANY DIRECTION, THEN AND ONLY THEN MAY A CLAIM BE MADE ABOUT THE GARAGE BEING MADE SAFE OR NOT. 
          IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYTHING THAT I HAD HEARD ABOUT EVACUATION MODELING AND TRAFFIC STUDIES DID NOT REALLY INCLUDE THE MOVEMENT OF UPTOWN RESIDENTS. 
          THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 2000 RESIDENTS IN UPTOWN AND WE HAVE ONLY TWO WAYS OF GETTING OUT OF UPTOWN JORDAN ROAD AND FOREST ROAD. 
          OKAY, THINK ABOUT THAT OUT. 
          IT WOULD ALLOW MORE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          MY PROPOSAL WOULD ALSO ALLOW MORE TIME TO CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBLE LOCATIONS FOR A HIGH CAPACITY GARAGE THAT WOULD NOT BE AS DISRUPTIVE AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS. 
          AND THAT MAY BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN CAPTURING VEHICLES APPROACHING THE DISTRICT FROM THE SOUTH AND WEST, WHERE ACCORDING TO KIMLEY HORNE, 85% OF THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO SEDONA, UH, IS FROM THOSE DIRECTIONS. 
          NOT BUILDING THE GARAGE AT THIS TIME WOULD ALSO AVOID THE EXPENDITURE OF SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL, ABOUT 16 MILLION, UH, AS MEASURED, UH, A YEAR AGO THAT MAY BE BETTER UTILIZED TO ADDRESS INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES, WATER AND ABOVE GROUND UTILITY POLES, WHICH WOULD IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY OR THEY COULD BE DIRECTED TO THE TRANSIT MASTER PLAN, WHICH SHOULD BE THE FOCUS TO REDUCE VEHICULAR CONGESTION IN THE FOCUS AREA. 
          A PARK, ONCE POLICY WITH LODGING ESTABLISHMENTS COULD BE DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED WITH CITY PROVIDED SHUTTLE SERVICE TO THE RIDE EXCHANGE. 
          THE SERVICE MAY BE FUNDED WITH SAVINGS FROM THE BUILDING GARAGE. 
          AGAIN, EXPERIMENTATION WITH STREET PARKING RESTRICTIONS COULD BE CONDUCTED, WHICH WOULD AGAIN INFORM CITY PLANNERS OF THE VULNERABILITY AND VIABILITY 
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OF SUCH ACTION AND ITS IMPACT. 
          THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT STATION NUMBER FOUR HAS TO RELOCATE. 
          IT IS IN THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST FOR TO KEEP THAT STATION IN UPTOWN, WHICH SHOULD TAKE PRIORITY OVER PLACEMENT OF A GARAGE. 
          UH, IN CONCLUSION, I URGE THAT THIS COUNSELOR REJECT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION INSTEAD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ALTERNATIVE. 
          I'VE JUST MENTIONED CHOOSING THAT PATHWAY WOULD BE THE MORE RESPONSIBLE CHOICE, DEMONSTRATING YOUR RESPECT FOR THE RESIDENT COMPONENT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ALLOWING FOR THE COLLECTION OF MORE FACTUAL INFORMATION TO INFORM WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST LONG-TERM SOLUTION FOR UPTOWN BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS ALIKE. 
          THANK YOU, JOE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MIKE WISE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JESSE ALEXANDER. 
          GOOD EVENING MAYOR. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS. 
          I'M MIKE WISE AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY. 
          I'M SURE IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB SOMETIMES, HOWEVER, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR BEST EFFORTS. 
          WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT AND VOTE TODAY IN FAVOR OF THE GARAGE AS PROPOSED. 
          YOU ARE THE STEWARDS OF OUR CITY AND ITS RESOURCES, INCLUDING MAINTAINING THE FINANCIAL FLOW OF REVENUE. 
          A VOTE FOR THE GARAGE WILL HELP THE CITY MAINTAIN THAT REVENUE STREAM. 
          TOURISM IS OUR INDUSTRY. 
          THE UPTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE SALES TAX, REVENUE COLLECTION THAN ANY AREA IN TOWN. 
          IT'S HOW WE PAY FOR POLICE ROADS AND ALL OF THE PRIVILEGES. 
          PRIVILEGES WE HAVE COME TO APPRECIATE THAT THE TOURISM DOLLARS PROVIDE BUSINESS IN SEDONA HAS ALWAYS BEEN DIFFICULT. 
          BUSINESSES SURVIVE OFF THE BUSIEST TIMES OF THE YEAR WHEN THE MOST VISITORS COME, THOSE BUSY TIMES ARE VITAL TO BUSINESS. 
          BUSINESS BUSINESS'S WELLBEING AND HELP TO OFFSET THE SLOW TIME WHILE THE CHALLENGES OF TRAFFIC REMAIN. 
          THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE BUSIEST TIMES OF THE YEAR ARE WHAT CAN MAKE BUSINESS VIABLE. 
          WHEN FOLKS DOWNPLAY THE IMPORTANCE OF 15% PER YEAR, PLEASE, UH, PARKING SPACES PER YEAR UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS WHEN WE NEED AN INCREASE IN BUSINESS TO HELP PAY FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. 
          THE CITY HAS FUNDED STUDY AFTER STUDY SINCE 2005, SPENDING OVER $4 MILLION ON STUDIES AND LAND ANALYZING THE NEED FOR A PARKING GARAGE IN UPTOWN, ESPECIALLY NEEDED AT THE SOUTHERN END OF UPTOWN. 
          AT ONE TIME, THE APPROVAL OF A GARAGE WAS PASSED, BUT A RECENT COUNCIL RESCINDED THAT APPROVAL BOWING TO UPTOWN RESIDENTS WHO WERE PART OF THE NO VOTE TO ANY CHANGE. 
          CHANGE IS INEVITABLE. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY EASIER THAT WE HAVE TWO STATE HIGHWAYS RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH OUR MOST HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREAS. 
          SO IT'S HOW WE ADAPT TO THAT CHANGE THAT WILL MAKE US HOPEFULLY SUCCESSFUL IN HOW WE MANAGE TRAFFIC. 
          PLEASE, LET'S NOT CAVE INTO THE NAYSAYERS WHO WILL GRASP AT ANY EXCUSE FOR DELAY WHEN WELL MEETING RESIDENTS GET SO HEAVILY INVOLVED IN DECISIONS AFFECTING OUR LIVES. 
          THE COMMON SENSE AND PROFESSIONAL INPUT TAKES A BACKSEAT TO REALITY. 
          BAD DECISIONS CAN OCCUR. 
          A GOOD EXAMPLE IS HIGHWAY 1 79 BETWEEN THE VOC AND THE Y ADOT PROPOSED A WIDENING BASED ON ENGINEERING STUDY STUDIES, WHICH THEY DEEMED WOULD WORK. 
          THE LOCAL CITIZENRY BECAME SO EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED WITH THE DECISION THAT THE ENGINEERING REPORTS WERE KICKED TO THE CURB, NO PUN INTENDED. 
          WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A BEAUTIFUL ROAD, BUT IT'S DYSFUNCTIONAL. 
          THE LATEST PARKING STUDY COMMISSIONED BY THE CITY ENCOMPASSED AND CONSIDERED THE EFFECTS OF GROWTH. 
          2.4% PER YEAR. 
          TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION PATTERNS, TRANSPORTATION, EMERGENCY EVACUATIONS, FIRE AND SAFETY. 
          MUCH HAS BEEN LEARNED FROM THE EXAMPLES OF THE PARADISE FIRE IN CALIFORNIA. 
          AND MORE RECENTLY, THE FIRESTORM IN LAA HAWAII. 
          LOCATING A PARKING GARAGE ON FOREST ROAD IS THE MOST IDEAL LOCATION FOR A GARAGE SERVICED BY THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION OF 89 A. 
          AND FOREST ROAD HELPS WITH EVACUATION FROM CANYON SMITH, VANDER, ALLOWING THE CITY TO CLEAN UP MANY OF THE SURFACE LOTS. 
          WE NOW RELY ON TRANSPORTATION CAN STOP AT ONE OF TWO LOCATIONS RATHER THAN THE SEVEN WE NOW HAVE WITH THE FOREST ROAD BYPASS. 
          CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE PREFERRED PATH OF EVACUATE EVACUATION IS ENHANCED RELIEVING THE TRAFFIC CLOG AT THE Y. 
          SPEAKING OF GROWTH, THE STATE WOULD NOT BE SPENDING OVER A BILLION DOLLARS YES, WITH AB ON IMPROVING I 17 WITH WIDENED LANES IF THEY DIDN'T SEE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC COMING OUR WAY. 
          MANY OF THOSE TRAVELERS ARE GOING TO BE EXITING AT HIGHWAY 1 79 AND COMING THROUGH TO SEDONA. 
          WE HOPE THEY WILL STOP, GET OUT OF THEIR CARS, DO SOME SHOPPING, DINING, BUY FROM 
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THEIR LOCAL GALLERIES, ET CETERA. 
          AFTER ALL, THAT IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF OUR ECONOMY THAT FUELS OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SOME ON COUNCIL COMMENTED THAT THEY NEVER HEAR FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT IMPRESSION. 
          BUSINESS IS YOUR CONS CONSTITUENT AS WELL. 
          PLEASE RESPECT THAT. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, MIKE. 
          OKAY, JESSE WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER FROM THE COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME ANSWERS FROM OUR PROFESSIONALS. 
          GOOD EVENING, THIS IS JESSE ALEXANDER. 
          I WORK IN UPTOWN AND LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF CURRENTLY. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR JALO, VICE MAYOR, PLU AND COUNSELORS APPRECIATE, UH, DON'T APPRECIATE THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE, BUT , YOU GET TO , YOU KNOW, I STOOD HERE, RIGHT OVER THERE IN AUGUST, I THINK IT WAS TALKING TO YOU, VICE MAYOR, SAYING, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BOTH MY OWNERSHIP AND MYSELF WERE IN THAT BOAT AS FAR AS, WELL, WE COULD DO THIS AND THAT. 
          AND WE'VE, MARK, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, BRINGING UP EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KAREN AND I, KAREN NOW HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT QUITE OFTEN. 
          IN FACT, WE OFFERED TO PAY A SIGNIFICANT SUM TO TRY TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND POLICE IT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH EMPLOYEES IS HOW DO YOU POLICE GETTING 'EM TO WHEREVER YOU WANT? UM, BUT OVER THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS THAT WE HAD AND THINGS, I THINK THAT THE LOGIC AND SEEING HOW THE, THE TRAFFIC IS COMING IN THROUGH CERTAIN AREAS, THE FACT THAT WE ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE LOSING SOME LOTS TO, WHETHER IT BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR JUST TO JUST CONSOLIDATION. 
          'CAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S PART OF THIS. 
          THIS ALSO, I HAD A WHOLE SPEECH THREE MINUTES WRITTEN UP, BUT, UH, AFTER HEARING EVERYBODY, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF GOING ON, ON TOPIC RIGHT NOW, OFF TOPIC. 
          BUT, UH, WE'VE GOTTA GET SOME SIDEWALKS. 
          WE'VE GOTTA MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE. 
          IF THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS, WE GOTTA CONSOLIDATE TOO. 
          SO THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM ONE AREA. 
          PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE IT DOWN ON THE OTHER END OF TOWN BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF MY BUSINESSES ARE. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. 
          AND IT'S PROBABLY, IT, IT ISN'T BEST FOR, FOR THE THE PARKING THING. 
          SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID LEARN ABOUT THIS THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE MET TWO GREAT GUYS HERE AND ABRAM AND JOE, JOE THERE. 
          AND, UH, AT TIMES WE DIDN'T AGREE. 
          UM, AT TIMES ABRAM'S LIKE, JESSE, WHY ARE YOU SO QUIET? WHY DON'T YOU SAY SOMETHING? 'CAUSE NORMALLY I'M THE GUY THAT'S JUST LISTENING AND KIND OF OBSERVING AND THEN WE'LL PUT IN. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S ALSO ONE OF MY STRENGTHS, I THINK, IS THAT I CAN BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. 
          I AGREE WITH WHAT ANNE SAID AS, AS FAR AS THE, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS TOO. 
          I'M GLAD TO HEAR KAREN SAYING THAT THAT IS ALREADY PART OF THE GARAGE AND STUFF. 
          UM, THOSE THINGS ARE ALL PART OF THIS WHOLE THING. 
          AND I THINK IF WE KEEP KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S JUST, SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THIS A MINUTE AGO, WELL, WE CAN, CAN SAVE $16 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS FOR NOW. 
          WELL, IT'S JUST GONNA GO UP. 
          I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS WAS VOTED TO LOOK AT AGAIN, IS BECAUSE DURING COVID PRICES WENT UP SO HIGH AND IT WENT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE. 
          SO I THINK THAT, UH, THAT IT IS NEEDED. 
          UM, I THINK THAT YOU SAW TONIGHT, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS SUPPORT OF IT AND, UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT MOVING IT FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JESSE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO CALL, UH, ON SOME OF THE EXPERTS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BEFORE WE EVEN GO FROM NAD. 
          WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT? WHAT QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          YOU HAVE A, OKAY, SO WHY DON'T WE START, THEN WE'LL START ON THIS SIDE. 
          WHAT WE DO. 
          DO I WANNA BE FIRST WITH THE QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          SO VICE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, WHY DON'T YOU, UH, START WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AND, AND ACTUALLY I WANNA ASK SOME OF THE EXPERTS IN THIS ROOM THAT ARE NOT SITTING AT THIS TABLE. 
          SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT, I WANNA TALK ABOUT, UH, EVACUATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          I WANNA TALK ABOUT, UH, ENVIRONMENT. 
          I WANNA TALK ABOUT. 
          UM, THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS. 
          BUT LET'S START WITH WESS, RIGHT? WESS, IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE PODIUM. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA START WITH ANYWAY, SO THAT WORKS OUT. 
          GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          . 
          HE HAS A LOT TO SAY. 
          HI THERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO HERE'S MY QUESTIONS TO YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THERE IN TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          ONE IS, ARE WE CONTINUING, DO WE HAVE A ANOTHER PHASE IN OUR EVACUATION PLANNING AND STUDY? 'CAUSE WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND WE HAD THE PUBLIC MEETING A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO CAN YOU EDUCATE EVERYBODY AS TO WHERE YOU ARE NOW AND WHAT YOU SEE YOUR NEXT STEPS? YES, MA'AM. 
          UH, GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND I THINK, UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF MY NOTES HERE FOR THIS CONVERSATION. 
          I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PROPOSED GARAGE, AND, AND I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR, I'M SPEAKING STRICTLY FROM A LIFE SAFETY EVACUATION PERSPECTIVE, 
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NOT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OR ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THIS PROPOSED GARAGE. 
          I JUST WANNA SPEAK STRICTLY ABOUT LIFE SAFETY AND EVACUATION. 
          I THINK, UH, YOU WERE VERY FORWARD THINKING, AND I SAID THAT WHEN WE DID THE PLAN TO DEVELOP AN EVACUATION PLAN FOR YOUR CITY, THAT WAS VERY FORWARD THINKING. 
          THERE ISN'T ONE, THERE ISN'T NOT ANOTHER ONE THAT EXISTS TO YOUR DETAIL ANYWHERE IN THE STATE. 
          BUT THE KEY PIECE ABOUT THAT IS THAT IT IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. 
          WE HAVE A PLAN, IT'S ON THE GROUND. 
          WE DELIVERED IT TO YOU. 
          OUR CONTRACTOR FINISHED IT. 
          IT'S SPECTACULAR. 
          THE PIECE NOW, AND, AND I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH, WITH BOTH YOUR CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF TODAY IS THE PLANNING, TRAINING, AND EXERCISE PIECE. 
          I THINK WHAT COMES NEXT IS, UM, EXCUSE ME, I'M PAUSING A LITTLE BIT OF A COLD. 
          GOING BACK TO A STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER ABOUT A KNOWN QUANTITY. 
          UM, IT IS MY, UH, EXPERIENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA THAT THE PLAN THAT YOU ALL MOVE FORWARD PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOUR FIRE, YOUR OTHER PUBLIC OFFICIALS, YOUR STREETS, UH, UH, TO PLAN TO PREDEPLOYMENT, TO TRAIN AND EXERCISE. 
          UM, IF THIS, UM, GARAGE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER OR YOU DO BUILD, THAT BECOMES A KNOWN QUANTITY. 
          UH, TALKING TO YOUR CHIEF, UH, I HAVE VISITED SEDONA OFTEN. 
          THERE ARE CARS PARKED EVERYWHERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW, UP ON THE CURBS, UH, EVERYWHERE. 
          UM, THAT IS A REAL CHALLENGE, BOTH IN TERMS OF JUST FINDING THE CARS, BUT REALLY IN TERMS OF STAFFING. 
          RIGHT? AND, AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH LARGE SCALE EVENTS, MANY LARGE SCALE EVENTS AND STAFFING IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. 
          SO ANYTIME YOU CAN REDUCE THAT AND MAKE YOUR GIVE YOURSELF SOME KNOWN QUANTITIES, I I THINK YOU'RE AHEAD OF THE GAME. 
          SO ANSWER TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE, THE, THE NOW PLANNING, NOT THE PLAN WRITING, BUT THE NOW PLANNING FOR TRAINING AND EXERCISING AND, YOU KNOW, PRE-DEPLOYMENT OF EQUIPMENT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, I THINK IS A VERY BIG PLUS FOR YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER HAVING 272 CARS IN ONE LOCATION VERSUS HAVING THOSE CARS SPREAD OUT ALL OVER UPTOWN, IS THERE A BENEFIT TO THE GARAGE? WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF THE, OF CONSOLIDATING THAT PARKING INTO THE GARAGE? UM, SO I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOUR STAFF AND I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE MAYORS OF THE COUNCIL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD SAY THERE IS AN ADVANTAGE TO HAVING EVERYBODY CONSOLIDATED 272 CARS AND THE PEOPLE THAT COME WITH THOSE CARS, RIGHT. 
          CONSOLIDATED INTO A SINGLE LOCATION. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THAT IS AN ADVANTAGE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, RIGHT? A KNOWN QUANTITY FOR YOUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS. 
          UM, I THINK THERE COULD BE AN ARGUMENT MADE THAT IT'S A CONCERN. 
          I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY A DISADVANTAGE. 
          I WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZE IT A DISADVANTAGE. 
          I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT AS A POTENTIAL CONCERN BECAUSE F 2 72 CARS AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN ONE PLACE, RIGHT? UM, AND I THINK, UM, THE, THE ABILITY TO USE YOUR PLAN TO ALLOW YOUR OFFICIALS TO PLAN, TRAIN, AND EXERCISE FOR THAT OVERCOMES THAT. 
          UH, IN MY OPINION, HAVING, IN MY EXPERIENCE, HAVING THAT KNOWN QUANTITY, YOUR POLICE, YOUR FIRE, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO. 
          THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH 2 72 CARS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT OVERCOMES THE CONCERNS OF HAVING A CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE IN ONE IN CARS IN ONE LOCATION. 
          SO IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IF WE WERE TO, HAVE YOU BEEN ON THOSE VAN, THE SIDE STREETS, VANDER AND SMITH WILSON, HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? YES, MA'AM. 
          IF, IF WE WERE TO, UH, CREATE, REMOVE SOME OF THOSE CARS FROM THOSE STREETS, CREATING A PERMIT SYSTEM OR RESIDENCE ONLY, OR, OR WHATEVER IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WOULD THAT HELP IMPROVE THE EVACUATION? ABSOLUTELY. 
          I, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE THAT IS NOT GOING TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S GONNA IMPROVE. 
          AGAIN, I, I KEEP USING THAT TERM KNOWN QUANTITY. 
          UM, I CANNOT THINK OF A SCENARIO WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE A DISADVANTAGE. 
          AND, AND THAT WITH THE KNOWN QUANTITY OF THE CARS IN THE GARAGE. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONSOLIDATION, WE DON'T HAVE YET WHAT THAT CONSOLIDATION LOOKS LIKE. 
          WE, WE TALK ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LOTS, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT STREET PARKING. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          AND DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S MORE ADVANTAGEOUS THAN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SURFACE LOT SOMEWHERE? I DO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN EMERGENCY EVENT, A CRISIS OF SOME SORT, THERE'S A PIECE THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN TALKED ABOUT HERE TOO MUCH. 
          AND THAT'S THE HUMAN FACTOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I, I DON'T WANNA BE DISRESPECTFUL, BUT PEOPLE FREAK OUT  WHEN SOMETHING'S GOING WRONG, RIGHT? PEOPLE 
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FREAK OUT. 
          UM, THEY, THEY, THEY GET CONFUSED, THEY GET SCARED, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          UM, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO, AGAIN, CONCENTRATE THAT, UM, AND ALLOW YOUR OFFICIALS TO PLAN FOR THAT, I THINK IT'S AN ADVANTAGE. 
          I'LL ALSO SAY, AND THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY HERE TODAY WITH, WITH THE, UH, PARKING SPACES. 
          THERE'S OTHER TECHNOLOGY. 
          I TALKED WITH THE CHIEF BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY, OTHER TECHNOLOGY THAT'S AVAILABLE THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE GARAGE, UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE ALL THOSE PEOPLE SOME VERY SPECIFIC INFORMATION DIRECTION. 
          AND IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE, UH, STAFFING FROM YOUR PD OR YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. 
          IT WOULD BE AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM. 
          SO I THINK TECHNOLOGY DOES PLAY A BIG ROLE IN THIS. 
          UH, CERTAINLY HAS THE ABILITY TO PLAY A BIG ROLE IN THIS, BUT, UM, NO, I THINK IT'S AN ABSOLUTE ADVANTAGE. 
          I I JUST, I CAN'T SEE IT AS A DISADVANTAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WESS, BEFORE WESS LEAVES MAYBE OTHER COUNSELORS, RIGHT? I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, MELISSA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF WESS? THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THERE WAS A STATEMENT MADE MORE THAN ONCE THIS EVENING THAT DURING THE PLANNING THAT YOU ALL DID, WHICH I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT AND EVEN BEFORE I SAT ON COUNCIL, UM, THAT YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WILDFIRE SCENARIOS, WHICH OF COURSE FOR US IS, UM, PRETTY MUCH MORE IN OUR MINDS THAN HURRICANES AND TORNADOES. 
          SO CAN YOU JUST TALK TO THAT JUST SO EVERYBODY SORT OF KNOWS WHAT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN? YES, MA'AM. 
          GOOD QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE ABSOLUTELY DID CONSIDER WILDFIRES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT A FLAG STAFF. 
          THAT IS OUR NUMBER ONE, UM, CONCERN IN OUR MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN. 
          WILDFIRES NUMBER ONE, FLOODINGS NUMBER TWO. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT OF PLANS AND DOCUMENTS AND THINGS THESE DAYS THAT WE WORK WITH, REALLY WE TRY NOT TO FOCUS ON ANY ONE PARTICULAR THING. 
          UM, IF YOU'LL RECALL, GOING BACK TO THE PLAN, I'M SURE YOU ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT. 
          UH, IT REFERS TO ALL HAZARDS. 
          UM, WE CLEARLY, WILDFIRES IS A HAZARD IN THIS REGION. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE ALL HEARD THE PHRASE, NO PLAN SURVIVES FIRST CONTACT WITH THE ENEMY. 
          A PLAN'S A PLAN, RIGHT? IT, IT IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PARTICULAR THREAT THAT MIGHT BE APPROACHING A WILDFIRE FROM THE WEST, A WILDFIRE FROM THE NORTH, UM, A FLOOD FROM THE EAST OR FROM THE NORTH, WHICH YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH OF A THREAT OF THAT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE PLAN WAS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WILL ALLOW YOUR OFFICIALS TO THINK IN A HOLISTIC PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THAT COULD COME ACROSS, UH, TO, UH, TO YOUR CITY. 
          SO, UM, WE DID CONSIDER WILDFIRES. 
          THAT IS NUMBER ONE IN MY MIND PRETTY MUCH ALL THE TIME, UH, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE 2022 SUMMER, RIGHT? WE HAD HEAD WINDS AT 72 MILES AN HOUR ON THOSE FIRES. 
          IT HAS TO BE NUMBER ONE IN OUR PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO IT WAS DEFINITELY CONSIDERED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          BRIAN, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. 
          MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          KATHY? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, WESS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, IN THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, THERE WERE, THERE WERE THE SIDE BY SIDE MODELING THAT SHOWED, UM, BASICALLY NO DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THE TIMING, UH, OF EVACUATION IF THE GARAGE IS THERE. 
          AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT, DID THAT YOU, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT PREVIOUSLY? AND DOES THAT RAISE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU FELT WAS FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE? I HAD NOT. 
          I JUST WANNA KNOW YOUR REACTION TO THAT. 
          YEAH, NO, UH, GREAT QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAD NOT SEEN THAT PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, I THOUGHT THE PRESENTATION WAS VERY CLEAR. 
          UH, I'LL TELL YOU, I'M NOT A DATA GUIDE , BUT I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF WHAT DATA PROVIDES TO US, RIGHT. 
          UM, AND SEEING WHAT I SAW WAS VERY, VERY CLEAR IN ALL THE SCENARIOS. 
          IT WAS ESSENTIALLY WAS ZERO, RIGHT? IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T EVEN, THERE WASN'T EVEN SOME PERCENTAGES. 
          IT WAS ZERO IN, IN, I THINK ALL FOUR OF THE CATEGORIES THAT THEY DISPLAYED. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE COME TO, ESPECIALLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR EVACUATION PLAN, WE HAD A SUBCONTRACTOR THAT WORKED WITH ASHLEY AND EM PARTNERS TO DO THE TRAFFIC MODELING AND DATA INFORMATION. 
          I'VE COME TO LEARN TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND TRUST IT. 
          I COULDN'T DO IT MYSELF. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE AN ALGORITHM IS, BUT , I'VE COME TO TRUST IT. 
          SO, UM, I THOUGHT THE INFORMATION WAS, WAS, UM, PREPONDERANCE IN FAVOR OF AND VERY CLEAR IN MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST BASED ON, AGAIN, ALGORITHMS DATA, I VALUE ALL OF IT, BUT JUST 
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LIFE EXPERIENCE IS SOMETHING AS WELL. 
          AND YOUR EXPERIENCE AND EXPERT IN THIS AREA, DO YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE IN THE FACT THAT A STRUCTURE, SO WITH A SUBTERRANEAN LEVEL, A STREET LEVEL, AND A ABOVE GROUND LEVEL, SO THREE LEVELS, BUT ENCLOSED IN A STRUCTURE, DO YOU SEE THAT AS ADVANTAGEOUS? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST A, A LOT VERSUS A, A PARKING GARAGE. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S A CONTAINED UNIT. 
          DOES THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S A HELP OR A HINDRANCE? AND I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT. 
          UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A HELP. 
          I WANNA GO BACK TO, AGAIN, I'VE SAID IT A BUNCH OF TIMES, THAT KNOWN QUANTITY. 
          I, I, I BELIEVE YOU, YOU KNOW WHERE THE ENTRANCES ARE, YOU KNOW WHERE THE EXITS ARE. 
          THEY CAN PLAN, THEY CAN SET UP, YOUR OFFICIALS CAN BE READY TO DO THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, A 272 CAR GARAGE, UM, WITH THE PROPER TRAINING, TRAINING AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF IN PLACE, IT CAN BE EVACUATED PRETTY QUICKLY, PRETTY QUICKLY, PRETTY EFFICIENTLY, VERSUS GOING TO FIND THOSE 272 CARS WHEREVER THEY'RE PARKED, YOU KNOW, AROUND UPTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          SO I BELIEVE IT'S A CLEAR ADVANTAGE. 
          IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL CHARACT OF A GARAGE THERE? IF IT DOES GO THERE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION THAT'LL BE A CROSSOVER QUESTION THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK OF, OF, OF KAREN LATER WHEN WE GET THERE. 
          AND ALSO OF CHIEF FOLEY, BUT ABOUT WHAT CAN BE STAGED THERE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF MAYBE, I THINK ONE THING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN AN ABSTRACT BEFORE WAS A POLICE SUBSTATION. 
          WOULD THERE BE EVACUATION MANAGEMENT THAT COULD HAPPEN OUT THERE? I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO ASK IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, COMMUNITY INTEREST IN HOW WOULD WOULD, WOULD A GARAGE MAKE MATTERS WORSE? AND THAT'S A QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK, AND NO, BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS, WOULD A GARAGE MAKE MATTERS BETTER? SO THAT'S THE NATURE OF MY QUESTION. 
          SO IS THERE SOMETHING THERE CHARACTERISTIC WISE, THAT YOU THINK IS A PART OF IT THAT WOULD EITHER BE ESSENTIAL OR THAT IS MISSING? THAT COULD BE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO FLESH THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE, THE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN SPECIFICALLY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT ANYTIME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVACUATIONS, THE KEY TERMS ALWAYS GOTTA COME AS CHOKE POINTS. 
          WE'LL ALWAYS HEAR THAT, RIGHT? AN INTERSECTION IS A CHOKE POINT, OR A TRAFFIC CIRCLE MIGHT BE A CHOKE POINT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE IN, IN JUST THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE GARAGE, IF IT'S ONE LANE TO GET ALL THOSE CARS OUT, THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA CAUSE TIME. 
          IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY LANE, MAYBE THAT CAN BE OPENED UP, OR IF THERE'S TWO LANES THAT CAN COME OUT, THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE YOUR EFFICIENCY. 
          SO IN MY MIND, A SINGLE EXIT POINT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT, I WOULD CONSIDER IN THE DESIGN. 
          I THINK, UM, YOU COULD UTILIZE TECHNOLOGY. 
          I MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY EARLIER, I WON'T BE SPECIFIC, BUT THERE'S TECHNOLOGY THAT COULD PROVIDE VERY CLEAR DIRECTIONS TO THE PEOPLE IN THE CARS. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, THAT HUMAN FACTOR'S IN PLACE. 
          THEY'RE IN A GARAGE, RIGHT? WHERE DO I GO? SO AMPLE SIGNAGE, AMPLE INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TO THEM. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A SIREN WAILING, ALL RIGHT? THAT'S REALLY GONNA AMP EVERYBODY UP. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IN A GARAGE SETTING , I WOULD FIND THAT TO BE ADVANTAGEOUS. 
          BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE'S TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT CAN DRAW YOUR ATTENTION AND PROVIDE YOU INFORMATION AND GIVE YOU DIRECTION THAT IS NOT REALLY DESIGNED TO AMP YOU UP OR, OR GET PEOPLE, UM, MORE NERVOUS OR SCARED. 
          SO I THINK TECHNOLOGY WOULD PLAY A BIG PART WHEN YOU BUILD THIS GARAGE, IF YOU BUILD THIS GARAGE, I THINK THAT THAT'S A, A BIG CONSIDERATION. 
          AND IT, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S PROHIBITIVELY COST EXPENSIVE THESE DAYS. 
          THIS STUFF HAS COME DOWN. 
          UH, AND THEN I THINK THE LAST THING, AND I'VE TALKED TO, AGAIN, I'VE TALKED TO THE CHIEF, DEPENDING ON THE SCENARIOS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS CARS ARE GONNA GO ONE OR TWO DIRECTIONS, RIGHT? THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE NORTH, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE SOUTH OUT 29. 
          UM, WHAT DOES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEED TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? UM, AS THE GARAGE IS BEING BUILT, PERHAPS YOU'VE GOT A STORAGE FACILITY BUILT RIGHT OUT FRONT WITH SOME BARRICADES IN THERE. 
          ONE COP AND FIVE BARRICADES COULD TURN THAT ENTIRE GARAGE ONE DIRECTION TO THE OTHER. 
          IT'S VERY SIMPLE, VERY, VERY SIMPLE, AND VERY STAFF EFFICIENT. 
          SO I WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND HOW, AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CHIEF AND HOW SHE WANTS TO DO THAT. 
          BUT I THINK SOME PRE-PLANNING IN THAT BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE, WOULD GO A LONG WAY. 
          AND MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS ALSO A TECHNOLOGY QUESTION. 
          THE, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED ABOUT FINDING AVAILABLE SPOTS MM-HMM. 
          , IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADAPTED TO BE USEFUL IN EMERGENCY EVACUATION 
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OR PLANNING? UH, COUNSEL, I'M NOT GONNA SAY I HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN THAT. 
          UM, I, I REALLY, I CAN'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. 
          NO, IT'S PERHAPS IT'S NOT PURPOSE. 
          I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS A WAY TO YEAH, I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THAT, MA'AM. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, PETE. 
          THANK MAYOR WESS, YOU'RE STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF ME. 
          I HAVE THE QUESTION. 
          YOU BROUGHT IT UP YOURSELF. 
          IT'S ABOUT EVACUATION. 
          WHERE ARE WE ON THE SIREN? OH, YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, SO I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH LAST WEEK TO BE IN LONG BEACH, UH, AT THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF EMERGENCY MANAGERS ANNUAL CONFERENCE. 
          UH, THEY HAVE A LARGE VENDOR POOL THERE. 
          AND, UH, I PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO THE CHIEF, UM, THIS MORNING, AGAIN, BEFORE THIS MEETING, UH, ABOUT SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS FOR THE SIRENS, IF YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH THAT LAYER OF, OF NOTIFICATIONS IS THE AESTHETIC. 
          UH, TRADITIONAL SIRENS ARE UGLY, RIGHT? THOSE BIG HORNS, THEY'RE NOT PRETTY. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE NOW, UM, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA MENTION SPECIFICS, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME REALLY VIABLE STUFF OUT THERE THAT I'M SURE THE CHIEF WILL BE SHARING WITH KAREN AND THE REST OF YOU HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. 
          WE DO STILL HAVE FUNDING IN PLACE FOR THAT. 
          WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE ON THAT IT IS STILL GONNA BE A BIT OF A PROCESS. 
          FEMA LIKES TO MAKE THINGS A LITTLE DIFFICULT, BUT, UM, IT'S STILL VERY VIABLE. 
          AND IF THAT IS A DIRECTION THAT YOU CHOOSE TO GO, WE CAN SUPPORT THAT. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S GREAT SOLUTIONS, BOTH EFFECTIVE FOR NOTIFICATION TO THE PUBLIC AND ALSO WE'LL MEET AESTHETICALLY YOUR CONCERNS FOR YOUR VISTAS HERE IN SEDONA. 
          AND THEN WESS. 
          WOULD YOU AGREE? I, I THINK YOU WOULD, BUT I JUST WANNA CHECK YOUR CURRENT STATUS IN YOUR THINKING. 
          THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE SAYS TWO OR PLUS HOURS OF EVACUATION TIME IN SEDONA. 
          IT'S REALLY STILL THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IF IT'S DRY AND THE WIND'S BLOWING AND THERE'S A FIRE IN THE AREA, START EARLIER THAN TWO HOURS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO YOU INCIDENT COMMANDERS. 
          AND, AND, AND AGAIN, IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU CHIEF AND YOUR FIRE CHIEF, UM, THERE'S A BALANCE. 
          EVACUATING PEOPLE OUTTA THEIR HOMES IS A BIG DECISION, BIG DECISION. 
          LETTING THEM BACK IN AT THE RIGHT TIME IS A BIG DECISION. 
          UH, I, LAW ENFORCEMENT, IN MY EXPERIENCE, LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ALWAYS VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT, UH, EVACUATING PEOPLE. 
          AND THEN YOU FIND OUT THERE WAS NO NEED TO EVACUATE 'EM, BUT YOU GONNA GET BEAT UP IN THE PRESS PERHAPS. 
          UH, BUT DID YOU SAVE LIVES? YEAH. 
          PERHAPS AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, BEING PROACTIVE IN THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, AND I, I BELIEVE YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS ARE ON THAT SAME PAGE. 
          THANK MAYOR JESSICA, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ANDY. 
          BASED ON THE RESPONSE ABOUT THE EMERGENCY EXIT. 
          DOES THE GARAGE DESIGNED WITH MORE THAN ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT? YES. 
          YES. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK MOST ARE I, YOU KNOW. 
          OH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I JUST, IT WAS A QUESTION AND I KNEW, I BELIEVED I KNEW WHAT THE ANSWER WAS, BUT I WANTED TO ASK IT ANYWAY TO GET ON THE RECORD. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU, WESS, YOU'VE ANSWERED ALL OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVEN'T MAYBE AS A, THE COUNCIL WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON? WELL, I THINK IT'S, UM, THIS IS DEFINITELY A, A VERY PASSIONATE CONVERSATION HERE IN SEDONA, AND I THINK IT'S AWESOME THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. 
          UH, THE ONLY ONE COMMENT THAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF PERSONALLY ADDRESS IS, UM, THE CHARACTERIZATION OF A DOOMSDAY YES. 
          RELATIONSHIP TO THIS GARAGE. 
          UM, I DON'T, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE OVER MANY YEARS NOW, UH, THAT EQUATION DOESN'T WORK FOR ME. 
          I DON'T SEE THIS AS A, AS A DOOMSDAY, UM, QUESTION. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT CHARACTERIZATION IS JUST NOT ON POINT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FIRE OR A PLANE CRASH OR A DISASTER OR WHATEVER NATURE IS DOOMSDAY A WORD THERE. 
          OKAY, PERHAPS. 
          UH, BUT I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF WHETHER YOU DECIDE TO PUT A GARAGE IN FOR MANY, MANY REASONS, UM, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT CHARACTERIZATION DOESN'T WORK IN THE EQUATION HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. 
          SO I JUST, I KIND OF WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, HEARD THERE EARLIER TODAY, AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE I, I, I SEE THAT IN THE EQUATION OF WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, PLACE, DID YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. 
          OTHER THAN FROM, YES. 
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NOT FOR WESS, BUT FOR THE CHIEF. 
          YES. 
          BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR TECHNICALLY, SO THANK YOU, WESS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          HI. 
          YOU'LL HANG AROUND IN CASE OF SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          CHIEF FOLEY. 
          SO I THINK ONE, ONE OF THE PLANS THAT NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH IS, AND I WASN'T EVEN FAMILIAR WITH THIS UNTIL THE OTHER DAY, IS THE, UH, HAVING A SUBSTATION IN THE GARAGE, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AND THE BENEFIT THAT YOU SEE FOR RESPONSE TIME AND BEING ABLE TO HANDLE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THROUGH HAVING THAT LOCATION? ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. 
          AND I IMAGINE I'LL HAVE MANY QUESTIONS, BUT MAYBE LESS THAN LESS. 
          WE'LL SEE. 
          UM, SO HAVING A SUBSTATION, UH, LOCATED AT THE GARAGE IS AN ABSOLUTE BENEFIT FOR US. 
          IT ALLOWS FOR US TO HAVE, UM, STAFF UTILIZE THE SPACE AND HAVE AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO THE AREA. 
          SO CURRENTLY, UM, ON ANY GIVEN SHIFT, YOU CAN HAVE THREE OFFICERS AND THE SUPERVISOR THAT PATROLS SEDONA. 
          SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. 
          IF YOU COME TO A CITIZENS ACADEMY, IT'S GREAT. 
          YOU GET A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO A, A FULL STAFFING DAY AS FAR AS PATROL SPECIFIC IS THREE OFFICERS AND A SERGEANT THAT'S ASSUMING NOBODY'S OUT SICK, THEY'RE NOT AT TRAINING. 
          SO TO HAVE THE PERSON THAT'S ASSIGNED TO WHAT WE CALL THE EAST SIDE UNIT, WHICH WOULD BE UPTOWN AND PARTS DOWN TO 1 79, THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE A SUBSTATION THAT THEY COULD UTILIZE TO EAT MEALS, TO GO TO THE RESTROOM, TO, UM, DO THEIR REPORTS. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, IT JUST GIVES, LIKE I WAS SAYING, A BETTER RESPONSE TIME TO ANY TYPE OF CALL. 
          BUT THEN IN A CASE IN EMERGENCY, IF WE'RE UTILIZING A SPACE ALREADY THERE, THEN THAT ALLOWS US TO ALSO HAVE EQUIPMENT EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO US THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT IN OUR VEHICLES. 
          SO IT'S AN ABSOLUTE BENEFIT. 
          AND CURRENTLY WE UTILIZE AND LEASE A SPACE IN UPTOWN THAT WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR, BUT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEET THE NEEDS AND ISN'T ALWAYS UTILIZED BY OUR STAFF AS MUCH AS WE WOULD HOPE TO INTEND. 
          JUST SOMETIMES IT CAN ALSO BE HARD FOR US TRAFFIC-WISE, TO GET OUTTA THE CURRENT LOCATION WITHOUT HAVING TO TRAVEL NORTH A LITTLE BIT, USE A ROUNDABOUT AND COME BACK AND FIGHT THE SAME CONSTRAINTS THAT OTHERS DO. 
          SO THE LOCATION ITSELF IS ALSO A POSITIVE, UM, MOVE FOR US TO HAVE THAT BE A LOCATION WE COULD UTILIZE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          JESSICA, YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF AND THEN KATHY? I DO. 
          UM, I JUST HEARD THIS NIGHT A CONCERN FROM ONE CITIZEN ABOUT THE HOMELESS. 
          SLEEPING IN THE GARAGE AT NIGHT IS GOING TO BE A BIG PROBLEM, SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK WHETHER OR NOT THE POLICE PRESENCE IN THIS GARAGE MIGHT BE A GOOD DETERRENT TO, TO THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES? WELL, FOR THAT ACTIVITY ITSELF, I, I THINK ANY DETERRENT THAT IS US BEING MORE VISIBLE IS ALWAYS HELPFUL. 
          I MEAN, IT HELPS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AS FAR AS SHOPLIFTING AND, AND THINGS FOR OUR UPTOWN MERCHANTS THAT ANYTIME THAT YOU CAN SEE US AND HAVE OUR BILLBOARD OF A CAR, UM, IN A LOCATION REALLY IS A DETERRENT FOR ANY TYPE OF ACTIVITY THAT'S LESS DESIRABLE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, KATHY, YOU HAD A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF? YES. 
          UM, THE SUB BACK TO THE SUBSTATION THAT WOULD EXIST IN THE GARAGE, COULD THAT BE UTILIZED? O OTHER, YOU SAID YOU COULD HAVE EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, UM, ACCESS THERE, YOU COULD STORE THINGS, BARRICADES WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT IN MY HEAD I'M GOING THAT, COULD THERE BE A LARGER SPACE WHERE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, A MEETING COULD TAKE PLACE WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE EMERGENCY PLANNERS, RESPONDERS USE THAT AS A RELIEF STATION? SHOULD THEY HAVE TO COME INTO THE AREA AS WELL SOMEPLACE FOR COORDINATION? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE FACTORED IN OR SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT FACTORING THAT IN? YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T CONSIDER ACTUALLY CREATING IT TO BE A CONFERENCE ROOM OR, YOU KNOW, AN EMERGENCY OPERATING CENTER TYPE SPACE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD JUST PUT, UM, MONEY INTO THIS SIDE OF TOWN TO HAVE IT, BECAUSE IDEALLY, IF A THREAT IS GOING TO BE ON THAT NORTH SIDE, WE DON'T WANT TO GO BE IN THE THREAT ZONE, SO TO SPEAK. 
          WE WANNA BE FURTHER AWAY FROM IT IF THAT'S A CONSIDERATION. 
          BUT I DO THINK WITH ANOTHER SPACE THAT WE HAVE OFF BREWER THAT IDEALLY THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER PLACE TO HAVE A MEETING OF SORTS VERSUS A PARKING GARAGE WHERE WE MIGHT WANNA KEEP EQUIPMENT AND THINGS. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING FOR THE CHIEF? YES, TO THANK YOU MAYOR, FOR THE CHIEF AND MAYBE TO ANDY, PROBABLY TO ANDY THOUGH, IS, WOULD YOU HAVE PUT BARRIERS IN YOUR BUDGET FOR THE CHIEF'S PEOPLE TO USE 
          [03:40:01]
TO HELP THAT GARAGE OF EDUCATION? IN FACT, WE ALREADY HAVE THEM. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          BARRIERS WHAT A STAFF  ALWAYS THINKING AHEAD. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          WHEN, WHEN WE MET, THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC DETAILS THAT I WON'T REPEAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SOME OF IT'S SENSITIVE INFORMATION, BUT WE TALKED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE DETAIL OF STAGING BARRIERS, UH, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATING CERTAIN DIRECTION TO EXITING VEHICLES, MAKING THAT AN EFFICIENT WAY TO EVACUATE THE GARAGE ITSELF. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE DETAILS AND WE TALKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A WILDFIRE SITUATION AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          SO THE, IN THE, IN INSINUATION THAT WE DID NOT IS JUST COMPLETELY FALSE. 
          WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BUT IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S SENSITIVE INFORMATION THAT I CAN'T REPEAT. 
          AND I'LL JUST GO OFF OF THAT BECAUSE DURING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAST YEAR AND WORKING WITH OUR, OUR PARTNERS TO TRY AND GET A REALLY GOOD PLAN FOR EVERYBODY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP LOOKING TO BUILD ON, THAT WAS MANY MEETINGS. 
          WE DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE STAGE THINGS AND, AND NOT JUST THAT LOCATION OR, UM, OVER ON THIS SIDE, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A LOCATION DOWN 1 79 WHEN TIME MATTERS. 
          WE DON'T WANNA BE LUGGING THINGS ALL ACROSS THE CITY. 
          SO WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND EVACUATION, WE WERE IDENTIFYING AT THAT TIME SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO. 
          AND, AND YOU HAD MENTIONED THE SIRENS AND WE, THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WITH IT, AS WELL AS BARRICADES AND DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT. 
          SO THE SIRENS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS THAT WE WANT TO TRY AS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT. 
          AND WE ARE TRYING TO NARROW DOWN WHAT THAT TECHNOLOGY WILL LOOK LIKE AND THEN HOW WE INTEGRATE IT WITH OTHER ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY TO HELP WITH PARKING. 
          AND, AND THERE'S JUST SO MANY COMPONENTS OF IT ALL THAT IT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO, TO SHARE BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO EVACUATION AND DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ATTACK, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, FIRE, FLOOD, UM, OR SOMEBODY THAT, UM, HAS ILL INTENTIONS AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ATTACK THAT AREN'T, AREN'T FIRE THAT WE DON'T LIKE TO GIVE EVERYBODY OUR PLAYBOOK BY GIVING OUT OUR PLAYBOOK AND SHARING TOO MANY DETAILS PUTS EVERYBODY AT A BIGGER THREAT TO SHARE THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION BECAUSE THEN YOU KNOW HOW TO NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, SET OUT OTHER ROADBLOCKS FOR US BECAUSE WE, WE TOLD YOU WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THIS AND, AND DO THIS. 
          SO WE HAVE TO KEEP SOME OF THAT CLOSER TO OUR CHEST. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH EVERYBODY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE THE ONES IMPACTED AS WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO YOU AND SAVE YOU, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL LAYER OF SAFETY BY NOT OVERSHARING. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM, UH, FOR THE CHIEF? ALRIGHT, HOLLY, UH, DOES THAT SATISFY YOUR QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT UH, NO, AND I NEED BRYCE NEXT. 
          OKAY. 
          BRYCE ON THE MIC. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU DON'T WANNA COME UP? NO, HE'S OVER THERE. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          SO FROM A ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP OR ENVIRONMENTAL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS HUMONGOUS GARAGE. 
          I WAS OUT AT THAT SITE LAST WEEK. 
          IT'S REALLY BIG AND IT'S A LOT OF CONCRETE. 
          SO I WANNA HEAR FROM OUR SUSTAINABILITY TEAM. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CIRCULATION, REDUCTION OF EMISSIONS FROM CARS MOVING AROUND UPTOWN AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTALLY BAD, YOU KNOW, TYPES OF SITUATIONS OR THE CARS PARKING ALL OVER THE PLACE VERSUS A HUGE CEMENT STRUCTURE. 
          NOW WE DID PUT IN EV CHARGING STATIONS AND WE DID PUT IN SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF AND SOME OTHER THINGS TOO. 
          AND ALSO THAT IT'S GONNA BE A BRONZE LEVEL CERTIFICATION OR PARK SMART. 
          OH YEAH. 
          I ALWAYS FORGET WHAT THAT'S CALLED. 
          IT'S NOT LEAD, IT'S PARK SMART IS WHAT IT'S CALLED. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO THOSE ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY POSITIVE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE DESIGN CONTRACT. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOW YOU LOOK AT THE TWO, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE SURFACE LOTS, TRYING TO DO SOME OTHER CONSOLIDATION VERSUS A GARAGE ISH. 
          YEAH, SO THE, UH, THE ASPECT, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THE SUSTAINABILITY SIDE OF THINGS IS TRYING TO GET THAT, THAT FULL PICTURE, UH, AND, AND AS A, AS A WHOLE IN AGGREGATE WHAT OUR OPINION IS FOR, FOR THE GARAGE STRUCTURE. 
          SO, UH, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING YESTERDAY WITH THE DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING EFFORTS, 
          [03:45:01]
THE ACQUISITION AND THE PROCUREMENT OF THE, UH, CONCRETE ITSELF IS, UH, IS DISTINCTLY IN A SCOPE THREE CATEGORY THAT IS OUTSIDE OF, UH, OUR DIRECT CONTROL. 
          UM, ON TERMS OF EMISSIONS. 
          WE HAVE OUR, UH, SCOPE ONES, UH, THAT ARE NATURAL GAS, UH, USAGE OR, UH, GASOLINE PURCHASES, A FLEET VEHICLE USAGE, EVERYTHING THAT IS IN OUR DIRECT OPERATIONAL CONTROLS. 
          THE SCOPE TWOS ARE, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH A PURCHASE ELECTRICITY. 
          AND THE SCOPE THREE, AS I MENTIONED, IS, IS REALLY AS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE VENDOR PROCUREMENT THAT IS OFTEN OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION OF DIRECT CONTROL ON THOSE EMISSION SOURCES. 
          UH, WITH THE ASPECT OF CONCRETE, UH, IT IS AN EMERGING FIELD OF ADDITIONAL LIKE LOW CARBON CONCRETE ALTERNATIVES. 
          WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S VIABLE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, IS SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER. 
          BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT LOW CAR CON CONCRETE, UH, THE DISTANCE THAT IS TRAVELING VERSUS SOURCING IT LOCALLY, UH, FROM NEARBY REGIONAL, UH, LOCATIONS. 
          UM, AND THE OTHER COMPONENTS, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED ON, UH, ONE OF OUR BIGGER, UH, EMISSION SOURCES AT THE COMMUNITY WIDE LEVEL IS EMISSIONS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH VEHICLE TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, UH, IS OUR MAIN SOURCE AT THE A DOT. 
          WE USE THE ADOT DATABASE, UH, FOR THAT COMPONENT. 
          AND, UH, SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE THE, UH, CYCLING AND THE VEHICLE TIMES THAT ARE ON THE ROADWAYS AND GET 'EM, UH, TO BE TRAVELING LESS, UH, AS THEY'RE TRYING TO GO THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, WILL OVER THE LONG RANGE HAVE MORE OF, UH, AN IMPACT, UH, WITH THAT COMPONENT. 
          AND THEN TACK TAP THAT ON WITH THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE, UH, CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS PROPOSED. 
          UH, THAT IS A COMPONENT THAT WOULD BE DONE IN, UH, PROPOSED PARTNERSHIP WITH ELECTRIFY AMERICA. 
          UH, THAT IS ALSO THEN ENCOURAGING ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE TRAVELS. 
          UH, THAT WOULD ALSO IMPACT THAT, UH, THAT COMPONENT ON THE, WE HAVE THAT VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. 
          THEN THE MAKEUP OF THE, UH, THE VEHICLES THAT ARE TRAVELING, WHAT IS, UH, HOW MANY ARE EVS, HOW MANY ARE, UH, GASOLINE POWERED, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO ATTRIBUTE HOW MORE THE INCREASE WITHIN EVS THAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          AND THEN THIS IS A PROMOTION OF THOSE EVS TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UH, OUR ESTIMATION ON THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, UH, TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS IS RIGHT AROUND 40,000, UH, METRIC TONS PER YEAR. 
          UH, AND THAT'S GOING TO, UH, BE DRASTICALLY LARGER THAN THE AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONCRETE THAT IS BEING PUT INTO THE FACILITY ITSELF. 
          UH, AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS OF BEING ABLE TO TACK IT ON WITH, UH, PROXIMITY TO MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION AND SHARED USE PASS, WHICH IS ALSO A DISTINCT ENCOURAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AS WELL AS THE SIM PLANS AND THE, AND THE LIKE, UH, IS REALLY THAT AS AN AGGREGATE WE VIEW THIS, UH, PROJECT, UH, SUSTAINABILITY VIEWS THIS PROJECT AS, AS A, AS A PLUS BENEFIT, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAVE, UH, WITHIN OUR, UH, ESTABLISHED PLANS. 
          THANK YOU, BRUCE. 
          OKAY, NEXT QUESTION FOR BRYCE. 
          JESSICA, YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF BRYCE? I DO NOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, PETE. 
          KATHY, NO. 
          MELISSA, PLEASE. 
          HI, BRYCE. 
          THANK YOU, UM, FOR BEING UNDER THE LINE OF FIRE AGAIN TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW. 
          SO YESTERDAY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS HEAT, UM, AND THE FACT THAT THIS BUILDING, LET ALONE THE CO TWO EMISSIONS IS GONNA GENERATE HEAT OR WILL ABSORB HEAT AND THEN REFLECT IT BACK POTENTIALLY. 
          UM, UPTOWN IS ALREADY A PRETTY CROWDED AREA AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WHEN I SAW THE INFORMATION, IT'S PRETTY HOT UP THERE, UM, AS FAR AS OUR HEAT ISLANDS ARE CONCERNED. 
          SO, DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING IN YOUR MIND IS, ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE THINKING ABOUT THE DESIGN? AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE COST OF THE LOW CO TWO EMITTING THINGS, BUT JUST SORT OF THE GENERAL HEAT REFLECTION. 
          ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO BE WORKING TOGETHER IN ORDER TO TRY AND KEEP THAT HEAT REFLECTION LOW? IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE? UM, YEAH. 
          SO WE DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERN WITH THE, THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, UH, IN, IN THESE AREAS. 
          AND THAT ASPECT IS, UH, AS I MENTIONED YESTERDAY, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS CAPA STRATEGIES. 
          WE'RE THE SAME GROUP THAT HELPED US WITH THE HEAT ISLAND MAPPING ITSELF TO HELP US IDENTIFY, UH, APPLICABLE TAILORED STRATEGIES FOR THE SEDONA AREA. 
          UH, SO WE'D MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON MAYBE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THOSE AS WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE LINE WITH IT. 
          BUT THE ASPECT OF THE PARKING GARAGE ITSELF, UH, IT ALSO HAS THE, THE SOLAR, UH, COVERED CARPORTS, WHATNOT AT THE TOP OF THE, THE STRUCTURE SO THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT, THAT UH, EXTRA ROOF, UH, LINE THERE DO HAVE SOME COVERAGE INSTEAD OF JUST DIRECT SUNLIGHT. 
          UH, IT ALSO HAS A LOWER, UH, OVERALL SURFACE AREA FOOTPRINT. 
          SO IF WE HAD, UH, A LARGER SURFACE LOT THAT IS TAKING UP THAT LOCATION, THAT IS THEN HAVING A MORE TRADITIONAL ASPHALT BASE TO IT THAT IS ABSORBING MORE OF THAT HEAT, 
          [03:50:01]
UH, COMPONENT TO IT OVER A LARGER SURFACE AREA, UH, I THINK THE ULTIMATELY, UH, THE IMPACTS OF THAT, UH, WOULD BE GREATER THAN A MORE DENSE STRUCTURE THAT IS TAKING UP LESS OF THAT SURFACE AREA AND THERE'S LESS SURFACE AREA THAT IS THEN ABSORBING, UH, THE SOLAR RADIATION THAT'S, UH, THAT'S BEING HIT ON THAT LOCATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BRIAN, ANYTHING? ONLY A PROCESS QUESTION. 
          MAYOR, ARE WE GONNA JUST PICK ON ONE PERSON AT A TIME HERE OR ARE WE GONNA DO KIND OF OUR NORMAL WELL, WHILE THEY'RE UP COUNSELOR, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          I LIKE THIS WAY. 
          YEAH, THIS WAY. 
          WE HAVE ONE PERSON WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO, BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR BRYCE MAYER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TAG ON EASIER. 
          WHAT'S THAT? JUST YOU CAN TAG ON EASIER. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, FOR KAREN? AND I DO, BUT YOU LIKE, YOU LIKE IT? OKAY. 
          UH, SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, CONSULTANT TEAM. 
          THE, DID YOU LOOK AT THE, WE, WE HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT INCREASED PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY ON FOREST ROAD AND WE REALLY DIDN'T TALK TONIGHT THAT MUCH ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO MAYBE YOU COULD RESPOND TO THAT. 
          ANDY AND, AND ANDREW. 
          I GO , I'LL TAKE IT. 
          SO FOREST, THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, WE HAD STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE PEDS WOULD BE, PEDESTRIANS WOULD BE ON THAT AREA. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A SHARED USE PATH THAT WILL EXTEND FROM 89 A ALL THE WAY UP TO THE END OF OUR IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND EVENTUALLY WITH IF THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, IT WOULD EXTEND IT ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER END OF FOREST ROAD AT THE, UH, EAST CONNECTION TO 89 A. 
          UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, BUT ALSO WITH WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IN THE DESIGN OF THE GARAGE IS PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD RUN FROM THE GARAGE ALL THE WAY TO THE EAST CONNECTION TO 89 A. 
          AND, UM, SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER SHARED YOU'S PATH ON ONE SIDE, SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER, AS WELL AS MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS AT THE CROSSWALK. 
          AND, UM, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THERE'S A PROPOSED CROSSWALK AT THE GR GARAGE AS WELL. 
          SO BOTH, BOTH ENDS OF THAT CORRIDOR THERE WE WOULD PUT IN NEW CROSSWALKS. 
          SO WOULD THAT INCREASE CAPACITY FOR PEDESTRIANS? I MEAN, KNOW IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT BUT WOULD INCREASE CAPACITY. 
          IT'LL, IT'LL INCREASE CAPACITY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IT'LL, WELL, I I SHOULDN'T SAY MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO INCREASE SAFETY AS WELL. 
          UM, AND AND THAT'S THE THING RIGHT NOW, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT, I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD VERY VISUAL IF THAT WORKS. 
          OH, I HAD IT, GOT IT. 
          OOPS, THAT'S THE WRONG ONE. 
          LEMME SEE IF I CAN SWITCH THIS BACK OVER. 
          BUT ANYWAY, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AREA RIGHT NOW, THERE REALLY ARE VERY, VERY LITTLE, UM, PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES IN THAT AREA. 
          SO IF A PERSON IS WALKING FROM 89 A ON THE EAST END OVER TO THE GARAGE WITHOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE PROPOSING, THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE WALKING IN THE STREET AND THIS PARKING THROUGH HERE, WHICH WILL BE TAKEN OUT. 
          SO THIS, THIS ON STREET PARKING WITH THE GARAGE WOULD BE REMOVED. 
          AND IN PLACE OF THAT WOULD BE PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. 
          SO THAT WOULD REMOVE THOSE PEDESTRIANS FROM THE STREET AND PUT THEM ON A SAFE FACILITY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          THERE IS A, A CROSSWALK PLANNED RIGHT AT SMITH. 
          SO THE, THE SHARED USE PATH, AS ANDY MENTIONED, COMES UP FOREST ROAD, UM, CONTINUES TO SMITH AND THEN WE PUT A CROSSWALK RIGHT THERE, IT YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE, UH, CIVIL DOCKS. 
          WE ALSO PLANNED FOR A BUS STOP ON THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL. 
          AND THAT WAS NOT FULLY FLESHED OUT AT THE TIME THAT WE PUT A PAUSE ON THE PROJECT. 
          BUT WE DID RECOGNIZE FOR SPACE PLANNING PURPOSES, ESPECIALLY IF THE GARAGE IS GONNA BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH RIGHT EXCHANGE, THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A, A SPACE FOR A, FOR A STOP. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO THE REASON WHY WE PUT THE CROSSWALK RIGHT AT SMITH. 
          'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE A, A, A BUS PULL OUT EFFECTIVELY, RIGHT WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS AND THEN YOU WOULD CROSS AT SMITH TO GO TO AND FROM THE GARAGE. 
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I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, BUT DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE PEDESTRIANS? NO, NO, I DON'T. 
          HERE. 
          OKAY, LET'S TRY IF WE CAN ALREADY GET LATE. 
          SO IF WE COULD YES, PLEASE. 
          PEDESTRIANS. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS NOT SPECIFIC ABOUT PEDESTRIANS AROUND THE GARAGE. 
          THIS IS ABOUT PEDESTRIANS OVER AT THE LARGE MUNICIPAL LOT, WHICH I HEARD OUR CITY MANAGER SAY THAT WOULD BE FOR PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THE CANYON. 
          WE WOULD KEEP THAT THAT LOT OPEN. 
          THERE'S NO SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS THERE EITHER, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY SORT OF END UP CROSSING THE STREET AND WALKING THROUGH PARKING LOTS. 
          AND SO WE COMPLETED A, UH, PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN 20, LET'S SEE, 19, NO, 18 . 
          ANYWAY, FOUR PLUS YEARS AGO, A LITTLE OVER FOUR YEARS AGO, WE INCLUDED, UM, WE, WE COMPLETED, I SHOULD SAY, UH, PEDESTRIAN FACILITY THAT RUNS FROM THE, THE MUNICIPAL LOT HERE ACROSS, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS MOUSE IS LIKE THIS, BUT ACROSS SNUBBY, WHICH BECOMES ONB RIGHT AROUND IN HERE AND THEN DOWN THROUGH THE WAYSIDE CHAPEL PROPERTY TO THE NEW BRIDGE THAT'S BESIDE WAYSIDE TO THE, THE ELEVATOR. 
          AND THAT BRINGS YOU DOWN TO HIGHWAY FRONTAGE. 
          SO THERE, THERE ARE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS THAT TAKE YOU FROM THE MUNICIPAL LOT TO THE MAIN STREET. 
          I I JUST WANNA SAY WHEN I HAD TO PARK THERE, YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS THERE. 
          NO, I ACTUALLY WALK ACROSS THE STREET, THEN YOU WALK THROUGH THE PARKING, AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH THE MEDITATION CENTER AND EVENTUALLY YOU FIND A A, YOU'VE GOTTA WALK EAST, EAST ALONG NEDY BEFORE YOU GET TO BASICALLY THAT CORNER AND THEN IT'S STRIPED AND THEN YOU HAVE CROSSWALKS TO GET YOU TO WAYSIDE AND THEN TO UPTOWN. 
          SO THERE IS A YEAH, MY, MY POINT IS IF I DID THAT, I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S BEEN IN THAT PARKING WHO'S DONE THAT. 
          IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE MORE QUESTION AND, AND THEN I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR KAREN. 
          I'LL DO LATER. 
          RIGHT? BUT JEREMIAH, YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T BUILD SOMETHING FOR EASTER SUNDAY IN YOUR REMARKS. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, ARE 50 TO 60 DAYS OF THE YEAR CONSIDERED EASTER SUNDAY? YEAH. 
          IN THIS CONTEXT, I THINK, UM, THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS YES. 
          THE, THE 85TH, UH, THE DESIGN DAY OR THE 85TH PERCENTILE IS A, IS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD. 
          SO ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A 365 DAY CALENDAR YEAR, THAT'S THE REASON THERE'S A RANGE, 50 TO 60 IS BECAUSE YOU, YOU HAVE CERTAIN DATES THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY TIED IN TERMS OF, UM, THE PARKING DEMAND THAT'S EXPERIENCED. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE, WE TARGET FOR PLANNING PURPOSES IS ADDRESSING THE NEED ON THAT TIME. 
          UM, AND OUR DATA BACKS THAT UP. 
          I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE IT, BUT NO, BUT SO I THINK HE MEANT, NO, IT'S NOT. 
          I THINK THAT HE MEANT NO TOO . 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT EASTER SUNDAY. 
          THE OTHER THING, UM, I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD SAY, AND MAYBE I'LL JUST KIND OF NUDGE YOU IN THIS DIRECTION, IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 50 TO 60 DAYS, THAT'S MAINLY FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF WEEKS, IT'S A GOOD PORTION OF THE YEAR. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT. 
          THE OTHER THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS IF YOU ASK ANY OF OUR BUSINESS FRIENDS HERE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE MOST BUSY TIMES OF THE YEAR NOT HAVING ADEQUATE PARKING WHEN THEY SURVIVE ON THE BUSIEST TIME OF THE YEAR, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THEM AND IS IT REALLY A, A MINOR THING THAT WE SHOULD OVERLOOK THAT IT'S 15% OF THE YEAR? I, I THINK THEY WOULD SAY NO, THAT'S A BIG DEAL. 
          I HEARD THEM SAY IT WAS A BIG DEAL IN THEIR TESTIMONY, BUT I WANTED TO ASK JEREMIAH THAT QUESTION BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF BROUGHT UP THE MM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MELISSA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR START FROM PEOPLE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD? I MEAN, KAREN AND, UH, AND WOULD LIKE TO, OH NO, YOU HAVE BRIAN, YOU'VE HAD TO, THIS IS STILL VERY STRANGE THE WAY WE'RE, IT THE WHOLE JF LOOK AT, SO THERE YOU GO. 
          I CAN'T ASK ANYONE YOU WANT QUESTION THAT'S NOT RELATED TO WHAT HOLLY STARTED ON. 
          I'M NOT TAKING ON NO, WE'RE NOT TAKING ON, IT'S JUST THE PEOPLE. 
          YOU CAN ASK THEM ANY, ANY PERSON, ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          JEREMIAH, ANDREW, YOU GET ONE QUESTION OF ME, COUNCIL, I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE DURING YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          CAN YOU JUST KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE REHASH OF THAT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GRASPING FULLY. 
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THE, THE WHOLE TWO LEVEL DEGRADATION THING THAT WE SEE CURRENTLY. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN YEAH, SO I'LL START WITH WORST CASE. 
          UM, F LEVEL OF SERVICE F IS A SATURDAY IN MARCH ON COOKS HILL. 
          SO APPROACHING A ROUNDABOUT THAT IT'S AT GRIDLOCK AND YOU'RE NOT MOVING AND YOU'RE STUCK IN TRAFFIC, THAT'S, THAT'S A FAILING ROADWAY AND THAT'S A LEVEL OF SERVICE F ALL THE WAY TO AN A, WHICH IS FREE FLOW. 
          YOU'RE ON A FREEWAY AT 10:00 PM AND YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE ON THE ROAD AND YOU ARE THERE, YOU'RE NOT STOPPING. 
          THERE'S NO FRICTION FROM ANY CARS OR ANY STOPLIGHTS. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE TWO EXTREMES. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY A, B, C, D FALLS IN THE MIDDLE WHERE C AND D ARE GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT IS A, LET'S SAY THAT'S A 10:00 AM OF DRIVING THROUGH SEDONA. 
          WE'RE NOT TWO PEAK, NOON RUSH HOUR OR, OR NOON KIND OF LUNCH HOUR CONGESTION. 
          BUT YOU STILL HAVE AMOUNTS OF FRICTION. 
          YOU HAVE CARS THAT YOU'RE COMPETING WITH IN TERMS OF LEFT TURN LANES, YOU HAVE PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE CREATING THAT. 
          SO THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT FALLS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND MORE TYPICAL OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE DAY TO DAY IN TERMS OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. 
          SO IN THIS CONTEXT, WHEN WE LOOK AT JUST AN A TO AC, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AS WE LOOK AT SMITH ROAD ON A, AN AVERAGE DAY IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          A THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THERE. 
          BUT IN THIS EVACUATION SCENARIO, WHEN WE SUDDENLY ADD 200 VEHICLES FROM THE THREE LOTS NORTH OF SCH NIBLEY, WE'RE NOW AT LEAST A SEA JUST BASED ON TRAFFIC CARS ONLY. 
          AND AS ANDY POINTED TO EARLIER, THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL FULLY DEGRADE ONCE YOU INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL SIDE FRICTIONS, PEDESTRIANS, PARKED CARS ON THE ROAD. 
          UH, SO WE MIGHT BE SEEING MORE OF A, AD OR AN E IN THAT, IN THAT SCENARIO. 
          SO YEAH, A IS FREE FLOW TRAFFIC. 
          MM-HMM,  F IS GRIDLOCK AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN IS IS C, D AND C AND D IF THAT, IF THAT HELPS ANSWER THE QUESTION IF WELL JUDGE YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, LEMME START OVER. 
          NO, JUST KIDDING. 
          YEAH, NO, NO, NO. 
          WHAT YOU SAID IT'S FINE. 
          I MEAN I GET THE A TO F THING AND ALL THAT. 
          IT JUST, UH, SO HOW'S THE GARAGE HELP IN THIS CASE? SO THE GARAGE HELPS IN CONJUNCTION WITH FOREST ROAD. 
          SO IN, IN THIS SCENARIO, BY MOVING, LET'S JUST TAKE CONSOLIDATION, LET'S TAKE 272 CARS THAT ARE DISPLACED THROUGHOUT LOCAL ROADWAYS AS WE SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE AS WE'RE WITNESSING RIGHT NOW WITH THE UPTOWN PARKING. 
          AND WE PUT THEM ALL IN ONE LOCATION. 
          IF WE PUT THEM ON A LOCATION THAT'S ADJACENT TO A COLLECTOR ROAD THAT HAS A CAPACITY OF UP TO 2000 VEHICLES THAT CAN NOW ACCOMMODATE, YOU DON'T JUMP A LEVEL OF SERVICE UNTIL 2000 TO 3000 VEHICLES ARE ADDED ON A COLLECTOR ROAD, WHICH HAS MORE CAPACITY. 
          AND THE NATURE OF A COLLECTOR ROAD IS THAT FROM THE FOREST CASE, YOU'RE GOING DIRECTLY FROM A HIGHWAY TO A LOCAL STREET WITH ZERO TO ONE OR TWO CROSS STREETS THAT WOULD ADD TO THAT FRICTION. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS THERE. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT PADS AND BIKES THAT ARE WALKING ALONG A SHARED USE PATH WITH NO CONFLICT. 
          THEY'RE ALL RUNNING IN PARALLEL. 
          YOU'VE GOT CARS THAT ARE COMING OFF OF A HIGHWAY OR WHAT'S DEEMED AN ARTERIAL STREET IS YOU CAN START TO APPROACH SEDONA AND YOU'RE TYING THAT INTO A LOCAL STREET. 
          SO YOU GO FROM ARTERIAL TO COLLECTOR TO LOCAL LOCAL STREETS CLEARLY HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CAPACITY BY NATURE OF THE SIZE OF THE ROAD, BUT ALSO BY NATURE OF YOU HAVE A CROSS STREET COMING IN EVERY A HUNDRED FEET 'CAUSE YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THERE YOU JUST CANNOT GET NEAR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FLOW BECAUSE NATURALLY YOU'RE DRIVING SLOWER, YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE PEOPLE WALKING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE CROSS STREET CONFLICTS. 
          SO WHY THE FOREST GARAGE WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH A COLLECTOR ROAD IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOW TAKEN THOSE 270 CARS THAT ARE DRIVING ON LOCAL STREETS AND DEGRADING THAT ROADWAY FAR QUICKER THAN YOU WOULD A COLLECTOR ROAD WITH MORE CAPACITY AND YOU'RE TAKING, CONSOLIDATING TO EASIER ACCESS AND A ROAD THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT ADDITIONAL CIRCULATION. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANDREW, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          SO I MEAN, I, I READ THE REPORT AND READ THE REPORT AND IT'S LIKE I'M OVERDONE WITH THE REPORT. 
          IT'S A GREAT REPORT. 
          SO AM I. 
          SO LET'S MOVE ON. 
          I KNOW , SO WAS THE HYATT PARKING, WHETHER THE THE SHOP AT PIN POINT PART OR THE HYATT ITSELF PART OF THE REPORT FOR THE, FOR YOUR INVENTORY. 
          OH, THAT'S A, OH, THAT'S A JEREMIAH THING QUESTION. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT'S, EXCUSE ME, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA CROSS LINES. 
          I WOULD START ANSWERING AND THEN HE'D BE LIKE, NO, YOU'RE WRONG. 
          SO IT'S JUST MIC UP. 
          YES, BOTH PARKING LOTS. 
          WERE IN OUR, OUR, OUR SURVEY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE HYATT AND PIN SHOPS VALIDATED AND PUT ARMS UP TO RESTRICT TO ONLY THEIR GUESTS? 
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HOW WOULD THAT, I'M SURE THAT WOULD SKEW YOUR NUMBERS, RIGHT? THAT'S 383 SPACES. 
          IT'S 308TH BASIS . 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          YOU GOT IT FROM ME. 
          SO WHAT'S INTERESTING, I'VE KNOWN THAT FOR A WHILE. 
          I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION AND COUNCIL RECEIVED, UH, AN EMAIL FROM MICHELLE MOORE WHO IS THE SOUND BITES OWNER. 
          AND IN HER EMAIL, AND SHE TALKS ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THE PARKING GARAGE IS, AND I GET THAT. 
          BUT WHAT WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN IS, UH, I BELIEVE OUR CENTER'S CONSIDERING A TICKETED SYSTEM FOR OUR PLAZA, WHICH WOULD KEEP THESE PEOPLE OUT AND CREATE MORE PARKING ISSUES ON THE STREET. 
          TRUE STATEMENT, CORRECT? WELL, TRUE, TRUE TO THE, THE ISSUES. 
          BUT YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A TRUE STATEMENT ABOUT VALIDATING. 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF THEY WERE TO VALIDATE, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY FORCE OUT NON-CUSTOMERS. 
          UH, SO THE EXTENT TO WHICH SAY UPTOWN SEDONA VISITORS ARE PARKING AT PENON POINT AND NOT VISITING THE CHIPOTLE AND WALKING UP THE STREET. 
          UM, THAT'S AN UNKNOWN FACTOR. 
          THOSE CUSTOMERS MIGHT GO ACROSS THE STREET TO THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          THEY MIGHT AND THEY MIGHT NOT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT YOU RAISE IS IF PINON POINT CHOOSES TO CHARGE FOR PARKING IN THEIR LOT AND YOU'RE CONTINUING TO RUN FREE PARKING ON THE STREETS AND OR IN THE GARAGE, YOU'RE THEN CREATING, UH, A DEMAND IMBALANCE WHERE PEOPLE LOOKING TO SAVE A DOLLAR AND RUN ACROSS THE STREET TO CHIPOTLE, UH, NOW START TO SEARCH OUT OTHER PARKING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT HAPPENS, I THINK IT COMES BACK TO SOME OF WHAT THE SEDONA RESIDENTS GROUP WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, WITH SOME MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES IN PLACE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE SHOULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY AT PAID PARKING IN THAT AREA. 
          YEP. 
          NO, I, I AGREE WITH THAT AND I AGREE WITH THE, OUR RESIDENTS TONIGHT. 
          KAREN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON, UH, TICKETED, UH, PAID PARKING OVER OR SOME KIND OF VALIDATION OVER IT, THE HYATT? DID YOU EVER HAVE HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? UH, MAYOR I'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE YEARS WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF THE HYATT SHOPS. 
          UH, THEY'VE BEEN CONTEMPLATING THIS FOR A WHILE, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, A EITHER A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OR MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT'S IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW. 
          I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH THEM RECENTLY ABOUT IT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IN OUR 2019 STUDY IT, ONE OF THE FINDINGS OF THAT STUDY, WHICH DID AN EXTENSIVE INTERVIEW DISCUSSION AND TRACKING OF EMPLOYEE PARKING SPECIFICALLY, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID NOT, UM, REVISIT THAT INFORMATION IN, IN THIS PROCESS, WE BELIEVE THAT INFORMATION IS LARGELY STILL VALID. 
          THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THE RESORTS THAT ARE SEVERELY UNDER PARKED, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING, BUT GRANDFATHERED STATUS, THEY DID NEVER HAD SUFFICIENT PARKING. 
          AND SO THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE PARKING ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND THEY'RE PARKING IN THE HYATT. 
          SO THEY'RE GETTING THERE EARLY IN THE MORNING AND FILLING UP HYATT SHOP PARKING, WHICH IS A, AN INCREDIBLE DISADVANTAGE TO, TO THOSE BUSINESSES. 
          SO, UM, THEY'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO IT FOR A WHILE, HAVEN'T YET PULLED THE TRIGGER, BUT I, I SORT OF FEEL LIKE THAT'S INEVITABLE FOR THEM AT SOME POINT, JUST TO PRESERVE THEIR OWN CUSTOMER PARKING. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR, UH, ANDREW OR JEREMIAH. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY. 
          POLICE BASED ON, BASED ON, OH, YOU GOTTA TAG ON, I'M GONNA TAG ON BRIAN. 
          SO, UM, WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE ON, ON, UM, FROM THE, THE BIG MUNICIPAL LAW COMING DOWN, SMITH , IF YOU KEEP THE LARGE MUNICIPAL LOT OPEN SO THAT YOU PULL IN THE TRAFFIC THAT ARE COMING DOWN FROM THE CANYON, HOW DOES THIS CHANGE? 'CAUSE IT'S NOTHING TO DO, DO NOW AT ALL WITH THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          SO, UM, EVEN IF WE CONSOLIDATED AND WE, WE CLOSED THE ONE NEXT TO IT, YOU STILL HAVE THAT LARGE LOT. 
          SO IS THAT GONNA CHANGE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, OR ARE WE STILL GOING TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKED THERE IN AN EMERGENCY OR GOING TO GET SORT OF, I'LL, I'LL START IF I COULD. 
          SO ONE THING THAT WE DO KNOW OUT OF THOSE LOTS ON THE NORTH END IS THAT LOT ONE AT 4 0 1 JORDAN IS, IS LIKELY TO REDEVELOP. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT I THINK WAS ABOUT 70 SPACES, UM, THAT THERE'S A GOOD, GOOD CHANCE OF THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU'VE GOT LOT, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS BESIDE THE MUNICIPAL LOT, WHICH IS ANOTHER 
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GOOD CHUNK OF SPACES. 
          SO WHILE, WHILE WE WOULDN'T LIKELY REMOVE ALL OF THIS PARKING FOR CONSOLIDATION, WE WOULD REMOVE A GOOD CHUNK OF IT. 
          THE, THE LIKELIHOOD IS VERY GOOD THAT WE WOULD REMOVE QUITE A BIT OF THAT. 
          SO JUST TO SAY IT SIMPLY, UM, THIS WOULD GET BETTER BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THERE. 
          AND YOU'D ALSO BE REDUCING THE PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT AS PEOPLE TRY TO REMEMBER WHERE THEY PARKED THEIR CARS IN THESE SMALLER LOTS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR EITHER ONE OF THE THREE OF YOU. 
          UM, AND IT WAS MENTIONED BY ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS ABOUT, UH, I THINK IT WAS MIKE WISE MENTIONED ABOUT ADOT, UH, BUILDING FOR MORE CAPACITY UP UNTIL, UM, SUNSET POINT. 
          SO IS THERE ANY, UH, FACTUAL DATA ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF ANTICIPATED VOLUME FROM ADOT THAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING WOULD MOST LIKELY IF THEY'RE SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY? I THINK, UH, MIKE SAID A BILLION DOLLARS, GIVE OR TAKE A DOLLAR OR TWO, BUT TO, FOR THAT KIND OF, UH, REPAIR, YOU KNOW, UH, ROADWORK, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING SOME SERIOUS, UH, VEHICLE, UH, TO COME UP TO OUR REGION. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE KNOW, I FORGET WHO MENTIONED IT EARLIER, IS THAT, UM, PHOENIX IS, THE MARICOPA AREA IS, IS LIKE THE FASTEST GROWING AREA IN THE NATION. 
          SO WE KNOW THAT, WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE OF THE BIGGEST DRAWS TO SEDONA AS COMING FROM THE PHOENIX AREA. 
          WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE I 17 CORRIDOR FROM PHOENIX TO SEDONA, THE, THE AREA PRIOR TO SUNSET POINT IS LIKE THE BIGGEST CHOKE POINT IN THAT SYSTEM. 
          SO WHAT WE KNOW IS FOR SURE, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE TRYING TO GET TO SEDONA ARE GONNA SEE A VERY EASIER WAY OF GETTING HERE. 
          IT'S, IT, THEIR IMPROVEMENTS THAT ADOT ISS MAKING RIGHT NOW ARE GONNA MAKE IT EASIER FOR THOSE FOLKS TO GET HERE. 
          THEREFORE, WE'RE LIKELY TO GET MANY MORE FOLKS HERE. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY AT THAT CHOKED AREA, YOU, YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE, THE ENGINEERING DOCUMENTS THAT ADOT HAS PUT OUT, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA YOU'VE GOT AN IMPROVEMENT OF ABOUT A THOUSAND VEHICLES PER HOUR. 
          AND IF WE GO THROUGH OUR ORIGIN DE DESTINATION DATA, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ABOUT AN IMPROVEMENT OF ABOUT 200 VEHICLES PER HOUR THAT WOULD COME TO THE SEDONA AREA. 
          SO THERE'S SOME ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE ADOT DATA TO, TO GET AT THAT GENERAL NUMBER. 
          THAT'S AS, AS MUCH AS WE KNOW ABOUT IT THOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM, , I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, UH, FOR EITHER ANDREW OR JEREMIAH. 
          UH, THE, I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS, UH, NUMBER SIX IS THAT JOE SPOKE TO THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LOT. 
          WHOOPS, , HE MEANT THIS DOES, I KNOW OF LOT, UM, PUBLIC LOTS AT THE SOUTH OF FOREST ROAD. 
          THAT'S G WHICH IS SOMETHING WE LEASE, RIGHT? AND MUNI LOT B, WHAT IS, HOW WOULD THAT BE CONSOLIDATED AND WHAT WOULD WE GAIN FROM THAT OPTION? SO COUNCILOR FURMAN ASKED ME THAT EXACT SAME QUESTION JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO WHEN WE WERE ON BREAK. 
          OH,  SAY, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. 
          I THOUGHT I BETTER CLARIFY THAT. 
          'CAUSE YOU LOOKED PRETTY PUZZLED THERE. 
          UM, SO I'LL JUST REPEAT WHAT I TOLD HIM. 
          IT'S ON THE SCREEN. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT DESCRIPTION MEANS. 
          AND, AND LET ME DESCRIBE THIS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY, IT CALLED THIS AREA HERE NORTH OF FOREST ROAD AREA FF. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THIS AREA HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE WAS AREA G. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OPTION SEVEN, IT LOOKS AT PROPOSING A GARAGE AT AREA F AND IT SAYS CONSOLIDATION AT AREA G. 
          WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS IF WE CONSOLIDATE AND REDUCE OTHER PARKING, WE WOULD IDENTIFY THIS AREA AS ESSENTIALLY A POTENTIAL EXPANSION OF PARKING BEYOND THE GARAGE, WHICH WOULD STILL BE CONSOLIDATED TO THAT AREA. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER HALF OF THAT IS CONSOLIDATION AT WE SAID LOT B, WHICH IS THE MUNICIPAL LOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE IDEA THERE 
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IS THAT WHILE WE IDENTIFIED IN ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES THAT 85% OF OUR TRIPS COME FROM THE SOUTH, WE ALSO KNOW THAT 15% COME FROM THE NORTH. 
          SO WE KNOW WE NEED SOME PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE, NOWHERE NEAR WHAT WE NEED ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          SO THE IDEA IS PROVIDING ADEQUATE PARKING AT EACH END OF UPTOWN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT ALL OF UPTOWN. 
          BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT NUMBER SIX, NOT NUMBER SEVEN. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT WAS WHAT JOE, CONSOLIDATION WITHOUT THE GARAGE. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WHAT JOE HAD SUGGESTED WAS THE SECOND HIGHEST RATING OPTION. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE? SO MY RECOLLECTION OF OPTION SIX IS THAT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING AS OPTION SEVEN, EXCEPT THAT IT'S NOT A GARAGE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE SURFACE A SURFACE LOT AT AREA F, A SURFACE LOT AT AREA G, AND ALSO KEEPING THE MUNICIPAL LOT, WHICH IS AREA B. 
          SO THAT WOULD ADD 80, APPROXIMATELY 80 SPACES. 
          WELL, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT ABOUT 80 COULD BE PROVIDED ON AREA F. 
          AND WHAT KAREN WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER IS BECAUSE OF ALL THESE CONSTRAINTS THAT YOU SEE WITH THESE X'S HERE, WE COULD GET AS MUCH AS ONE. 
          ONE THING THAT YOU'VE GOTTA REMEMBER WITH AREA G IS THAT THIS IS LOT, I BELIEVE IT'S EIGHT HERE. 
          SO ALL OF THIS PARKING YOU SEE HERE IS EXISTING. 
          YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANY PARKING THERE. 
          AND THIS IS LOT NINE ON THIS SIDE, SO THAT'S ALSO NOT ADDING ANY PARKING. 
          SO AS FAR AS ADDING PARKING, THE GREEN AREA HERE, YOU COULD GET AS MUCH AS AROUND 20 SPACES IS WHAT WE FIGURED. 
          NOT 120. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, YES. 
          I'M SORRY, PETE, YOU DIDN'T RAISE YOUR HAND AND IT'S GETTING LATE. 
          SO GO AHEAD. 
          IT'S GONNA GET LATER. 
          MAYOR, I KNOW , I'M SURE JUST ANDY, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          JUST ONE THOUGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW WE DO IT MOVING FORWARD, WHAT WE DO, BUT SOME CONSISTENCY IN NUMBERS VERSUS LETTERS. 
          I'M SURE THAT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S CONFUSED UP HERE WHEN WE SWITCH BETWEEN THE TWO SYSTEMS, IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE I'M NEWER ON THE DIOCESE, AND YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT LETTERS FOR A LONGER TIME THAN I HAVE, BUT I KNOW MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE PROBABLY MOSTLY SEEING THE NUMBERS FROM THE PARKING CHARTS. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST A, A COMMENT MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I JUST EXPLAIN WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM. 
          BOTH OF THOSE REFERENCES ARE COMING FROM DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          THIS MAP HERE IN THE, THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER IS, UH, IDENTIFYING ALL OF THE PUBLIC PARKING IN UPTOWN, AND IT'S BEEN OUT THERE A LONG TIME. 
          SO THAT'S THE NUMBERING SYSTEM. 
          YEP. 
          THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY IS THE ONE WITH THE LETTERING SYSTEM, SO YEP. 
          THEY OVERLAP EACH OTHER. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND DO OTHER THINGS AND KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, WE MIGHT YEAH. 
          MAKE IT EASIER. 
          YEAH. 
          MAKE IT EASIER. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT INDUCED DEMAND. 
          THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT I REMEMBER ASKING, I THINK WHEN I WAS ON P AND Z. 
          UH, AND WE HEARD TESTIMONY TODAY FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT TALKED ABOUT INDUCED DEMAND AND RESIDENTS SAYING THAT THEY WOULD TRAVEL PERHAPS MORE TO UPTOWN BECAUSE THERE'S EASIER PARKING AND A GARAGE. 
          WE ACTUALLY HEARD BUSINESSES TALK ABOUT THEY WISH WE HAD A GARAGE AND MORE PARKING, THAT THEY WOULD GET MORE BUSINESS, BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT MORE PARKING IN THE GARAGE. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE COMMENT TO ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS INDUCED DEMAND QUESTION? IS IT, IS IT A GRAY AREA QUESTION REALLY? AND THERE'S SOME ROOM TO ADMIT THAT INDUCED DEMAND DOES EXIST AROUND THE GARAGE, OR DOES IT, IS IT, DO YOU MIND IF I START WITH THAT? YEAH, GO FOR IT. 
          I, I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND IF I START EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE OUR PARKING EXPERT HERE. 
          YEP. 
          THE, THE THING I WOULD JUST POINT OUT QUICKLY IS THAT INDUCED DEMAND IS A CONCEPT FOR LOCALS. 
          AND WHILE YOU DID HEAR SOME LOCALS SAY THAT THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, VISIT UPTOWN MORE FREQUENTLY IF, IF IT WERE EASIER TO GET TO, EVEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, OUR PROPORTION OF LOCALS TO VISITORS IS, IS MINUTE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A FRACTION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE SERVICE AND FACILITIES FOR IS OUR VISITATION. 
          THE, THE AMOUNT OF LOCALS IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DESIGNING FOR. 
          SO WHILE INDUCED DEMAND DOES APPLY TO LOCALS, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO VISITORS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE LEAVING FROM CHICAGO AND SAYING, I'M NOT GONNA GO TO UPTOWN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO PARK THERE. 
          THEY SAY, I'M GOING TO SEDONA TO GO TO UPTOWN BECAUSE I WANNA DO A JEEP TOUR, OR I WANT TO GO SEE, I WANT TO GO HAVE DINNER AT THE COWBOY CLUB, OR, OR WHATEVER THEIR CASE. 
          AND I RESPECT YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR 
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PARKING CONSULTANTS AS WELL. 
          BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA AND PEOPLE PREPPING FOR A TRIP AND THEY READ ABOUT UPTOWN MIGHT BE AN INCONVENIENT PLACE TO GET TO TODAY, AND MAYBE IN TWO YEARS THEY WON'T READ THAT ANYMORE. 
          AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS EVEN THE VISITORS ARE SUBJECT TO INDUCED DEMAND ELEMENTS. 
          I I WOULD ONLY REPEAT WHAT WE SAID EARLIER ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING AMP TO TRAVEL AROUND, WHILE MANY OF US PROBABLY DO. 
          IT'S NOT EVERYBODY. 
          YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          MY, I THINK MY QUESTION, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID, UH, INTERVIEWS WITH THE TOURISM BOARD MEMBERS, WE ASKED ALMOST EVERY, EVERY ONE OF THEM BECAUSE WE WERE CONSISTENT ABOUT WHAT KIND OF RESEARCH THEY DID BEFORE THEY MADE A TRIP. 
          I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AN APP WHEN THEY'RE IN TOWN. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT GOING ON THE WEBSITE AND READING THE SOCIAL POSTS, FOLLOWING THE SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCERS. 
          THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WHERE THEY WOULD SEE EITHER UPTOWN'S A PAIN IN THE BUTT, I MIGHT STAY AWAY FROM IT, OR PARKING IS NOW SOLVED IN UPTOWN. 
          I'M GONNA GO THERE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO THAT ? SURE, I'LL, I'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY FOR ADOT AND OTHERS TO GIVE REALTIME STATUS UPDATES ON ROAD CLOSURES AND CONGESTION DATA, I THINK THAT'S A RELATIVELY NEWER PHENOMENON. 
          UM, INDUCED DEMAND IS, IS TRULY A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING TERM, WHICH SOMETIMES IS APPLIED, UM, TO OTHER USES WITHOUT KIND OF CLEARLY DEFINING KIND OF HOW YOU INTEND IT TO APPLY. 
          AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT IF I COMMUTE FROM POINT A TO POINT B, AND YOU KNOW, MY COMMUTE IS HORRIBLE EVERY DAY, I'M GONNA LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND IF YOU ADD A LANE TO THE INTERSTATE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I GET BACK ON THE INTERSTATE FOR THAT SAME TRIP. 
          SO I'VE GOTTA MAKE THAT WORK TRIP REGARDLESS. 
          UM, THE IDEA OF INDUCED DEMAND FOR PARKING A COUPLE OF NUANCED THINGS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALWAYS HIGHLIGHT THE PARKING GARAGE IS NOT THE DESTINATION. 
          , YOU KNOW, YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT YOUR SHOPPING OR DINING TRIP TO UPTOWN. 
          AND DESPITE, YOU KNOW, THE ABUNDANCE OF INFORMATION THAT WE ARE STARTING TO GET ABOUT REAL-TIME CONDITIONS, I WOULD STILL SPECULATE THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE MAKING THE DECISION TO GO OUT TO DINNER, UH, WITH THEIR SIGNIFICANT OTHER, INDEPENDENT OF CHECKING THE CITY'S WEBSITE TO SEE HOW BAD THE PARKING IS. 
          THEY USUALLY MAKE THE PARKING DECISION AFTER THEY PASS THE RESTAURANT, AND NOW ARE LOOKING FOR WHERE THEY NEED TO PARK TO GO TO WHAT THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT DOING, WHICH WAS THE RESTAURANT. 
          SO PARKING IS ALWAYS THE AFTERTHOUGHT. 
          AND WE ALWAYS SAY THAT THE GOOD PARKING EXPERIENCE IS THE ONE YOU DON'T REMEMBER, AND THE BAD PARKING EXPERIENCE IS THE ONE YOU DO. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THE PARKING IS INTUITIVE AND YOU DON'T REMEMBER IT, . 
          NOW, DOES THIS IMPACT BEHAVIOR ON OUR SECOND OR THIRD TRIP? DO I DECIDE? THE LAST TIME I WENT TO UPTOWN, I HAD TROUBLE FINDING PARKING? UM, I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE GRAY AREA IS WHERE YOU'RE INCENTIVIZING OR DISINCENTIVIZING REPEAT VISITATION. 
          . 
          CAROL, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? I DID. 
          THANKS. 
          ONE, ONE OF THE WAYS, I MEAN, THERE ARE LOTS AND LOTS OF PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES THAT CAN BE EMPLOYED IF A SITUATION WHERE, UM, INDUCED DEMAND BECAME AN ISSUE, THERE ARE WAYS TO REDUCE DEMAND AND DISINCENTIVIZE BRINGING PERSONAL OCCUPANCY VEHICLES INTO UPTOWN. 
          SO THAT IS, THAT'S PRICING PARKING, RIGHT? SO, SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE READY TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE CONVERSATION AROUND PRICING EITHER FOR THE GARAGE OR FOR THE OTHER LOTS THAT MAY END UP BEING MAINTAINED, BUT IT IS NOT ONLY A STRATEGY TO MANAGE POTENTIAL INDUCED DEMAND, BUT IT IS A STRATEGY TO INCENTIVIZE TRANSIT. 
          AND, AND SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE PART OF THE OVERALL CONVERSATION AROUND NOT JUST FUNDING THE GARAGE, BUT BUT A STRATEGY TO INCENTIVIZE TRANSIT AND DISINCENTIVIZE PERSONAL VEHICLES COMING INTO UPTOWN. 
          ONCE WE HAVE A ROBUST SYSTEM THAT CAN BE AN ALTERNATIVE. 
          I WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD DO THAT BEFORE WE HAD SOMETHING ELSE. 
          UH, ANOTHER OPTION. 
          THANK YOU, KAREN, FOR THAT. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I WANT AND, AND I'M GONNA LET THAT GO AT THIS POINT. 
          I'M GONNA ADD ONE MORE THING ON, OH, ANDY, GO AHEAD. 
          JUST ONE MORE THING ON INDUCED DEMAND IS, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT INDUCED DEMAND HERE IN SEDONA WAS COVID. 
          SO INDIRECTLY MM-HMM,  ECOTOURISM RISES IN SEDONA DURING COVID WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS SLOWING DOWN. 
          SO AS WE LOOKED AT OUR TRAFFIC MODELS, WE SEE SAME AMOUNT OF CARS COMING IN, AND SAME BECAUSE PEOPLE GET OUTSIDE, THEY COULD SEE THE TRAILS. 
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SO IT, IT BECOMES A CHALLENGING ARGUMENT TO SAY THAT THE GARAGE AND IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW IS GONNA INDUCE DEMAND WHEN THE DEMAND IS ALREADY INDUCED BECAUSE IT'S INCREASING, BECAUSE COVID PUTS SEDONA EVEN MORE ON A MAP THAN IT WAS ALREADY BEFORE. 
          AND NOW IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW FROM THAT. 
          SO IN SOME CASES, LIKE JEREMIAH SAID, WHILE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL GARAGE WITH A POTENTIALLY VIEWING PLATFORM, AND I MAY GO THERE ONE DAY AND ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE INDUCED DEMAND MYSELF, IF I'M A PART OF IT, GO, MAYBE I WILL GO THERE TO SEE THE GARAGE. 
          OTHERS ARE NOT. 
          AND AS WE'VE SEEN SEDONA, THE DEMAND TO COME TO SEDONA IS COMING NO MATTER WHAT. 
          NOW IT'S A MATTER OF PLANNING FOR IT. 
          SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT, IT WOULD BE FUN TO, UH, CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ABOUT WHETHER YOU JUST SAID COVID WAS AN INDUCED DEMAND. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          ANDREW, YOU AND I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, OUR HEART'S CONTENT SOME OTHER DAY. 
          UH, I WANTED TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION JUST TO KIND OF HAVE YOU SPECULATE, AND PERHAPS IT'S NOT YOUR AREA AND, AND FEEL FREE TO ADMIT THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT APPS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR A GREAT WAY FINDING APP TO POTENTIALLY CHALLENGE, IMPROVE, CHANGE THE STATUS OF HOW WE THINK ABOUT WHICHEVER ONE OF YOUR 85 PERCENTS WOULD , YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A REALLY GREAT WAY FINDING AND PARKING PAID AND YOU COULD RESERVE A PARKING SPACE AS YOU'RE HEADED FOR IT, YOU KNOW, I, ALL THE THINGS WOULD THAT, DO YOU SEE TECHNOLOGY SOMEDAY ALLOWING US IN THE PLANNING STAGE TO CHANGE THAT 85% AND BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A 90% OR SOME NUMBER IN THE FUTURE? THAT'S YOU BUDDY. 
          SO I, I AM GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. 
          I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON 11 X IF YOU DON'T MIND ME SHARING PLEASE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, KIMLEY HORNE IS WORKING FOR ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA NOW ON A PILOT PROGRAM WITH 11 X. 
          UM, WE'RE SIX MONTHS INTO A THREE YEAR, UM, PILOT FOR 5,000 SPACES. 
          SO, UM, I GAVE KAREN A. LITTLE BIT OF MISINFORMATION, UM, ON THE HISTORY OF THE COMPANY. 
          UM, THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN AROUND SINCE 2014 AS A LOW POWER WIFI PROVIDER. 
          UM, THEY DID A PILOT PROGRAM IN 2018 INVOLVING PARKING, AND THEN THEY GOT FUNDING THROUGH CRUNCHBASE, WHICH IS A TECHNOLOGY, UH, VENTURE CAPITALIST ESSENTIALLY, UM, TO TURN TO PARKING FOCUS SPECIFICALLY IN 2020. 
          SO IN THEIR, THEIR CURRENT ROLE, THEY'RE A COUPLE YEARS OLD. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THROW ANY DOUBT ON 11 X OR WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING. 
          I'VE, I'VE HEARD GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE PLATFORM. 
          UM, THE PARK SF PROGRAM WAS AN EARLY ADOPTER, UH, USING A TECHNOLOGY OF IN STREET SENSORS CALLED STREET LINE. 
          UH, THEY ENDED UP HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THAT, WITH OVERHEAD CABLE CAR POWER LINES, AND THE ABILITY FOR AN INSTRET SENSOR, UH, TO PICK UP BACKGROUND NOISE IN LIEU OF A VEHICLE. 
          AND SO THEIR ACCURACY READ RATE WAS NEVER AS ADVERTISED, AND THEY ENDED UP PULLING THOSE OUT. 
          UH, THERE WAS ALSO A DENVER STARTUP CALLED PARKY. 
          IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          UM, THEY, UH, THEY ENDED UP SELLING TO DISH NETWORK AND THE VALUE OF THEIR PLATFORM WAS THE PREDICTIVE ALGORITHM, UM, AND DECIDED IT WASN'T A PARKING COMPANY AT ALL. 
          UM, AND SO , NONE OF THIS TO KIND OF PUT A DAMPER ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE KIND OF THE FUTURE OF PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEMS. I THINK THERE'S LEGACY SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN, IN EUROPE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, A VALUE IN THAT. 
          UM, I DID WANNA POINT OUT, UM, FROM OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION THAT THE CHALLENGE FOR SEDONA IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU RECALL FROM OUR DATA, OUR PUBLIC PARKING SYSTEM IS, IS ONLY 978 STALLS, AND IT IS DISTRIBUTED ESSENTIALLY ACROSS, YOU KNOW, 15 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UH, INCLUDING THE NINE PUBLIC PARKING LOTS, UH, VARIOUS BLOCK FACES ALONG 89 A AND SOME HANDFUL OF RESIDENTIAL STREETS. 
          SO THE ABILITY TO TAP INTO CLOSER TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT SUPPLY, UM, AND GET PEOPLE TO FIND THE LAST AVAILABLE, THE LAST 5%, THE LAST 10% OF AVAILABLE STALLS WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE EITHER A MAJORITY OF VISITORS WILLING TO DOWNLOAD THE APP, YOU KNOW, RESERVE THE PARKING SPACE, OR HAVE THAT REAL TIME DATA BE ACCURATE AS THEY'RE IN TRANSIT TO FIND A HANDFUL OF SPACES ON SAID BLOCK FACE, WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE BEFORE THEY GET THERE. 
          OR PROVIDE, UM, PARKING, GUIDANCE, SIGNAGE AT EVERY DECISION POINT THAT IS ACCURATE DOWN TO A HANDFUL OF STALLS TO GET EACH DRIVER TO FIVE OR SIX AVAILABLE SPOTS 
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IN AN INDIVIDUAL LOCATION. 
          I WILL NEVER SAY NEVER, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT SEE VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EVENTUALLY THE CAR KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE TO GO, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE TO, UH, VV TWO I, THEY SAY SO ON AN AUTOMATED FUTURE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO USE MORE OF THE SUPPLY. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT, I WOULD NOT COMFORTABLY TAKE A BIG CHUNK OFF OF THAT EFFECTIVE SUPPLY ADJUSTMENT, EVEN WITH A PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM. 
          AND THE FURTHER POINT, WHICH TIES INTO THIS DESIGN DAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID, I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA WRAP THIS UP REALLY QUICK. 
          , WE, YOU KNOW, WE DID EIGHT SURVEY DATES OF DRONE FLIGHTS AT FOUR TIME PERIODS OF THE DAY. 
          SO WE HAVE 32 DATA POINTS IN OUR SURVEY SET. 
          WE HAD SIX SURVEYS WHERE PARKING OCCUPANCY WAS ABOVE 85%, AND TWO ADDITIONAL SURVEY POINTS WHERE WE WERE AT 84 AND 85% RESPECTIVELY. 
          OUR PEAK DAY, VERY PEAK DAY WAS THE MONDAY IN MARCH, THE SPRING BREAK WEEK WHEN 93% OF THE PUBLIC PARKING SUPPLY WAS OCCUPIED, AND 96% OF THE SPACES IN THE PUBLIC LOTS WERE OCCUPIED. 
          IF YOU TAKE AWAY THAT CUSHION OF AVAILABLE SPOTS, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY MEANING THAT THOSE 50 OR 60 DATES PER YEAR THAT CONSISTENTLY FILL ABOVE 85% ARE NOW IN A COMPLETE DEFICIT. 
          SO THOSE CARS THAT THE BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU KNOW, RELY ON FOR VISITATION AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE SPOTS ARE GONE. 
          YOU'VE NOT PROVIDED YOURSELF ANY BUFFER. 
          YOU'VE ALSO NOT BOUGHT YOURSELF ANY TIME TO DO PARKING MANAGEMENT CHANGES. 
          YOU LOSE, UH, LOT ONE, THE JORDAN LOT ROAD LOT TO REDEVELOPMENT. 
          YOU, YOU JUST HAVE ZERO MARGIN LEFT. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF CASES WHERE WE COME INTO A COMMUNITY AND WE WOULD ADVOCATE FOR MORE DATA COLLECTION. 
          I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH HERE TO SAY PRETTY CONFIDENTLY THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF DATES PER YEAR THAT YOU'RE WELL ABOVE 85% AND THERE'S SEVERAL DATES PER YEAR WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, TENS OR TWENTIES OF OPEN PUBLIC PARKING SPOTS, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH MARGIN TO MAKE YOUR SYSTEM WORK EFFECTIVELY. 
          SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I CONTINUE TO STICK WITH 85% EFFECTIVE SUPPLY CUSHION AND PURSUE APGS AS WELL. 
          ANDREW, I'LL JUST NOTE REAL QUICK HOW IT TIES TO CIRCULATION. 
          AND I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED IN PART OF THE PRESENTATION WAS THE BEAUTY OF THE APP IS IF YOU SELECT YOUR SPOT AND, AND YOU GET THERE IN FIVE MINUTES AND THAT SPOT IS GONE, IT REDIRECTS YOU TO ANOTHER SPOT. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT IF WE HAVE DISPERSED LOTS ALL OVER UPTOWN, YOU'RE NOW DRIVING AROUND ANYWAY, TRYING TO FIND THAT LAST SPOT THAT'S AVAILABLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT CONSOLIDATED YET. 
          SO THE APP MAY BE DIRECTING YOU TO A FOUND SPOT, BUT YOU'RE STILL A CAR ON A LOCAL ROAD CIRCULATING TO FIND A SPOT AS YOU ARE TODAY. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE REALLY ANY DIFFERENCE IF EVERYTHING WERE TO STAY STATUS QUO. 
          I I HAD HAD THAT SAME THOUGHT WHEN I HEARD PART OF THAT TESTIMONY AS WELL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK THE FUTURE IS POTENTIAL THAT WE COULD RESERVE THE SPOT AND IT'S YOURS, BUT THEN THAT WOULD PUT THE BURDEN, A BURDEN ON ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          THESE THINGS ARE TRICKY BALANCES TO, TO ACHIEVE. 
          UH, YOU, JEREMIAH, YOU DID CONVINCE ME THAT I'M GONNA STOP PUSHING FOR OVERHEAD POWERED CABLE STREET CARS. 
          DAMN, JESSICA, DO YOU, DID YOU STILL WANT TO, UH, NO THANK YOU. 
          I, I'VE RECONSIDERED. 
          OKAY. 
          , I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          SO IT WAS MENTIONED BY ONE OF THE MANY PEOPLE, OR TWO OF THE MANY PEOPLE ABOUT, OH, IT WAS TOM GILMAN TALKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SALES TAX THAT COMES OUT OF COO COUNTY, AND I BELIEVE HE, THE NUMBER I HAD WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE HAD, BUT, UM, WAS THAT 15.5%? IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? ANDY? KAREN, 15. 
          IT WAS $15 MILLION. 
          I'M SORRY, 55.5 MILLION. 
          YES, 15 MILLION FROM COCONINO COUNTY, WHICH IS PRIMARILY THIS DISTRICT THAT WE'VE STUDIED THE STUDY AREA 13 MILLION COMING FROM YAVAPAI EVERYWHERE IN YAVAPAI COUNTY, AND 11 MILLION COMING FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY. 
          SO WITH THAT NUMBER AND TOM HAD 86% THAT, THAT'S HIGHER THAN WHAT I HAD. 
          BUT, UM, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY SINCE COO COUNTY REALLY ONLY HAS TOURISM IN THAT COUNTY, IN UPTOWN, BETWEEN UPTOWN THE, UM, UH, AK AND HILLSIDE? YEAH, THAT TOO. 
          THANK YOU ALL THERE. 
          AND HO JOSE'S, UH, WHICH IS A NICE PLACE I'VE BEEN GOING LATELY, THAT'S ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT COMES FROM THE COO COUNTY OF OUR SALES TAX FOR THE, FOR THAT COUNTY. 
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IS THAT A CLOSE OR MAYBE 90 AND HIGHER THAN WHAT HERE TOMP? UH, AND AMTE WOULD BE ALSO IN COOK COUNTER, BUT YEAH, THE VAST MAJORITY IS FOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID SALES TAX, BUT, BUT EVEN, EVEN SALES TAX, THERE'S NOT MUCH ELSE OUT THERE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FOOD STORES, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S RESTAURANTS, UH, SHOPS, ART GALLERIES, PRI PRIMARILY, I MEAN, MAYBE A FEW. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, YOU HAVE HOTELS LIKE ALBI, BEYONCE, I FORGOT THAT IT WENT UP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT TO ME THAT IS A HUGE CHUNK OF MONEY THAT COMES FROM UPTOWN AND WE SHOULD BE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO CULTIVATE THAT. 
          UM, BUT THAT'LL BE COMMENTS. 
          SO, UM, I HEAR YOU, UM, A CIRCULATOR, SO NOT ONLY WOULD THE PARKING GARAGE BE USED FOR UPTOWN, BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF ABOUT A CIRCULATOR. 
          COULD YOU DISCUSS THAT, KAREN, BEFORE I LOSE MY VOICE? TOTALLY, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THE PLAN IS, IS PARK ONCE IS TO PROVIDE A FULLY ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT IS BOTH CONVENIENT AND AT LEAST FOR CIRCULATOR, SORT OF WHAT'S CONTEMPLATED FOR FIXED ROUTE. 
          WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY EXACT DECISIONS ABOUT MICRO TRANSIT, BUT THOSE WERE ALL CONTEMPLATED TO BE A FREE SERVICE TO REALLY JUST TRY TO INCENTIVIZE AND PROMOTE RIDERSHIP NEXT. 
          I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE SOME GREAT SPECIAL EVENTS AT POSSE GROUNDS, AT LEAST THREE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, I SEE OFTEN BIKE FESTIVAL, WINE FESTIVAL IN OCTOBER FEST. 
          WOULD IT BE A FAR REACH TO SAY, OR WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO USE OUR PARKING GARAGE FOR AN OVERFLOW LOT FOR THOSE EVENTS? UH, AND WITH A SHUTTLE, WOULD THAT BE TOO FAR OUTTA RANGE? ESPECIALLY IF IT'S DURING OFF PEAK TIME? SO IT WOULDN'T IMPACT THE STORES THAT WOULD USE THE PARKING GARAGE? I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, OFF PEAK TIMES. 
          I THINK WE WOULDN'T WANT TO USE THIS AS AN EVENT PARKING TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT IT'S SUPPOSED TO SERVE. 
          HOWEVER, DURING, DURING DOWNTIME WHEN THERE WAS PARKING CAPACITY TO UTILIZE SOME OF THIS PARKING COULD ACTUALLY INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE ATTENDING AN EVENT TO HAVE A MEAL AFTERWARDS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OR, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE WHILE THEY'RE PARKED IN UPTOWN BEFORE THEY, UH, AS THEY'RE COMING IN, BEFORE THEY GO TO THE EVENT OR BEFORE THEY LEAVE UPTOWN TO SPEND SOME TIME AND SPEND SOME MONEY THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU KAREN. 
          I HAVE ONE OTHER JUST FOLLOW UP. 
          OH, , I'M OVER HERE. 
          I KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WHERE'S THAT VOICE GOING? I KNOW THE VOICE, BUT WHERE IS YEAH, GO AHEAD ROBERT. 
          SO KEEP IN MIND, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, THIS BODY'S ALREADY APPROVED A MICRO TRANSIT ON DEMAND SERVICE, WHICH WOULD, UH, PROVIDE SERVICES TO THAT PARKING GARAGE, ASSUMING IT'S BUILD ALONG, CONNECT, PROVIDING CONNECTIONS TO POSSE TO PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. 
          SO THAT COULD INCENTIVIZE SOME PEOPLE TO PARK ONCE, LET'S SAY, AT THE PARKING GARAGE AND USE THE MICRO TRANSIT TO ACCESS THE REST OF THE CITY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          THANK YOU, ROB. 
          I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU OVER THERE, BUT, UM, SO I THINK WE COVERED THE IN LIE FEES EARLIER. 
          I DON'T WANNA REDO THAT. 
          UH, WASN'T COVERED. 
          DID WE DISCUSS THE IN LIEU FEES? WE DID NOT. 
          WE DID NOT. 
          SO THE IN LIEU FEES, I THINK ALSO TOM GILMAN SPOKE ABOUT IT, UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE MERCHANTS SPOKE ABOUT IN LIEU FEES AND HOW THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY, UH, IF THEIR PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE PARKING, THEY CAN'T BUILD RIGHT NOW. 
          SO CAN YOU JUST GO OVER AGAIN, UH, ON WHAT THE BRIDGE EDITION OF, IN LIEU FEES AND HOW VITAL THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE TO HELP REVITALIZE OR INCENTIVIZE NEW BUSINESSES TO COME HERE? MM-HMM. 
          , THE IN FEE PROGRAM WAS ADOPTED IN 2019 AS PART OF THE WAL WALTER P MORE STUDY. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW UPTOWN HAS THE SAME LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, PARKING STANDARDS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS EVERYONE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. 
          BUT IT FUNCTIONS MUCH DIFFERENTLY. 
          IT FUNCTIONS MORE LIKE A MALL THAN IT DOES, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR BUSINESS IN WESTED OWNER OR IN OTHER DESTINATIONS WHERE YOU'RE DRIVING DIRECTLY TO PATRONIZE A SPECIFIC BUSINESS AND THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN PARKING. 
          SO WE DEVELOPED AN IN LIEU FEE PROGRAM. 
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THE FEES ARE HIGH, SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT. 
          UM, AND SO NO ONE HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT, BUT WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD ALLOW BUSINESS REDEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESS IN UPTOWN RIGHT NOW THAT HAS, IS UNDER PARK, DOESN'T MEET LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          SO THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE. 
          THEY CAN'T REDEVELOP, THEY CAN'T EXPAND, UM, THEY CAN'T CHANGE USE BECAUSE THEY DON'T PROVIDE SUFFICIENT PARKING. 
          THE IN LIEU PROGRAM WILL ALLOW THEM TO BUY THEIR PARKING, ESSENTIALLY, UH, BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE, NO ONE HAS USED IT. 
          BUT PART OF THAT PROGRAM WAS A COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE PARKING. 
          SO WE CAN'T VERY WELL COLLECT THE, IN LIEU FEE MONEY, UM, AND NOT PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE PUBLIC PARKING IN BUSINESS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO AGGREGATE PARKING ON BEHALF OF BUSINESSES. 
          BLESS YOU. 
          I DO BELIEVE THAT IN THE NEXT ROUND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE AS A, AS A CITY HAVE TALKED ABOUT REVISITING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE NEED TO RECONCILE SOME OF THOSE OLD POLICIES THAT DON'T QUITE FIT ANYMORE. 
          PARKING IS ONE OF THEM. 
          SO THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT AT SOME POINT THE PARKING STANDARDS IN UPTOWN AND THE REQUIREMENTS WILL BE FURTHER REVISITED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT OUTCOME WILL BE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WOULD BE FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPEC PERSPECTIVE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY IS TO ALLOW FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN UPTOWN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THE, WITH ANY DISCUSSION ON THE COST. 
          WE WANNA DISCUSS THE COST OF THE HISTORICAL COST OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE ARE AND YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WE ARE RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, SO LET'S JUST, LET'S DISCUSS THAT. 
          SO SIR, CAN I ASK ROBERT? SURE. 
          IS THAT GONNA TAG ONTO MY QUESTION? YES, ACTUALLY. 
          PERFECT. 
          IT DOES. 
          SO, SO ROBERT, UM, THE PARK ONCE GET IT, WE LOVE THAT IDEA, RIGHT? BUT IF I'M PARKING ONCE AND I'M PARKING IN UPTOWN AND I SPEND MY CAR SPENDS A WHOLE DAY IN UPTOWN AND WE'RE AT A DEMAND REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING IN UPTOWN, IS THAT NOT GOING TO CREATE POTENTIALLY AN ISSUE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING LEFT IN UPTOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE PARKED ONCE THERE AS OPPOSED TO IN MY HOTEL? YEAH, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. 
          I SUPPOSE IF YOU HAD, UM, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT DID THAT PER DAY, YOU PROBABLY PUT A DENT IN THERE. 
          I GUESS THAT, THAT, THERE'S NO ANSWER THAT I CAN GIVE FOR THAT UNTIL WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE, HOW, HOW MANY PICKUPS ARE WE, ARE WE DO WE HAVE AT THE PARKING GARAGE AND, AND WHAT ARE THEIR DESTINATIONS? AND UNTIL WE ACTUALLY DEPLOY, WE WON'T HAVE THAT DATA TO PROVIDE THAT ANSWER. 
          UM, BUT POTENTIALLY, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY PARKS AT THE PARKING GARAGE AND USES THE ON DEMAND SERVICE TO ACCESS THE REST OF SEDONA, THEN YEAH, IT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE AN IMPACT. 
          BUT WITHOUT THE DATA, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, BUT IN MY MIND, I HAVE THE FOLLOWING SCENARIO. 
          I'M A DAY TRIPPER, I'M COMING UP FROM PHOENIX, UM, AND THERE'S NICE PARKING OFF OF 1 79 THAT I'M GONNA GO AND TAKE. 
          AND I'M HERE TO HIKE AND I'M HERE TO, TO SHOP AND I'M HERE TO DO WHATEVER I CAN DO WITHIN THE COURSE OF MY ONE DAY. 
          SO DURING THAT ONE DAY I SAY, WOW, THERE'S THIS GREAT PARKING AND I PARK HERE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE 200 PEOPLE COMING UP FROM PHOENIX IN A SINGLE DAY, LIKE A SATURDAY, AND THEY PARK IN THE GARAGE AND THEN USE OUR LOVELY TRANSIT SYSTEM TO GET WHEREVER ELSE THEY WANNA GO, TRAILHEAD, SHUTTLES OR WHEREVER, UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE PARK ONCE COULD HAVE THIS, RIGHT. 
          UM, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT DAY TRIPPERS. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT KIND OF LEADS INTO THE POINT KAREN MADE EARLIER ABOUT PROVIDING INCENTIVES AND DISINCENTIVES FOR PARKING AND TRANSIT. 
          AND THAT COMES INTO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CONGESTIVE PRICING AND YOUR PASSENGER FARES. 
          DOES IT MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE TO KEEP MY CAR AT THE PARKING GARAGE ALL DAY OR TO USE TRANSIT OR BOTH? SO DEFINITELY A WHOLE NEW DISCUSSION, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WANNA FIND THAT BALANCE, TYPICALLY YOU WANT TO TRY TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO USE TRANSIT TO GET CARS OFF THE ROAD, WHICH MEANS THAT IN ADDITION TO ALL THE 
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OTHER GOOD STUFF, LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS, NOT, NOT HAVING TO HASSLE WITH PARKING, ALSO WE COULD PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO DO THAT. 
          AND AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE NOT TO EVEN PUT THEIR CAR UP IN UPTOWN WITH CONGESTIVE PRICING, BUT WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ALRIGHT, PETE AND THEN, UH, JESSICA, UH, YEAH, SORT OF TAGGING ON TO THAT QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           GOES TO WHEN, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OLD STUDIES, I THINK IT'S ALL OF 'EM. 
          I'M PRETTY SURE IT IS. 
          AND WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CIRCULATORS, WE TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT COULD COME IN. 
          YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CERTAIN PARKING DURATION BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE. 
          BUT WHEN YOU CHANGE THINGS, WE MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE STAYING LONGER THAN THEY ARE CURRENTLY AND CHANGING THE DEMAND PICTURE, WHETHER IT'S DOWN INAL OR IN UPTOWN OR WEST SEDONA AND HOW THAT INTERFACES WITH THE BUS REALLY. 
          SO SUPER COMPLEX QUESTION, BUT A REALLY TARGETED QUESTION. 
          AND ONE THAT'S BEEN KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME,  WITH NO ANSWERS 'CAUSE THERE ARE NO ANSWERS. 
          COUNCILOR FURMAN, UH, CAN I JUMP IN ON COUNCILOR DUNN'S ORIGINAL QUESTION? THAT'D BE OKAY. 
          I'LL TRY TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BRIEF HERE. 
          BUT, UM, WE, WE HAD A, A WONDERFUL EXPLANATION EARLIER ON THE IMPACT OF VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LINKING TRIPS IN A PARKING ENVIRONMENT, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PARKING STAY AT ONE LOCATION PLUS A PARKING STAY AT ANOTHER LOCATION, PLUS A PARKING STATE, A THIRD LOCATION. 
          AND WHAT WE NEED TO VALUE IS THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC OF THAT TRIP BETWEEN LOCATIONS ONE AND TWO AND TWO AND THREE. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT CAUSE SOME MORE CHALLENGES, UM, WITH THE SUPPLY SIDE TO ALLOW PARK ONCE IN A FACILITY LIKE THE PARKING GARAGE OR THE MUNICIPAL LOT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OVERALL BENEFITING THE TRAFFIC AND YOU'RE GENERATING AN ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN TRIP, UM, TO A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS WHERE MAYBE YOU'VE LEFT AND GONE TO THE TRAILHEAD AND THEN YOU'VE, YOU'VE HEADED OUT. 
          SO NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE PARKED, YOU TAKE OUR SHUTTLE, YOU GO VISIT A BUSINESS FOR LUNCH, THEN YOU TAKE OUR SHUTTLE TO A TRAILHEAD, THEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU GRAB A COFFEE AND THEN YOU GET IN YOUR CAR. 
          UM, FAR BETTER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UM, FROM THAT MOVEMENT THAN LINKING THREE SEPARATE TRIPS TOGETHER. 
          I JUST WANT, JESSICA WAS UP, SHE WANTS TO RESPOND, SHE TO CALL, BUT SHE WANTED, ORIGINALLY SHE WANTED ALSO, OKAY, GO AHEAD MELISSA. 
          SO I GET IT, THIS, THIS TO ME WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S BETTER ENVIRONMENTALLY AND FOR TRAFFIC FLOW AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          YES. 
          WHAT I WAS ASKING WAS IF WE USE 200 OF THE 272 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE IN UPTOWN, ARE WE CREATING A PROBLEM WHERE PEOPLE CAN NO LONGER PARK IN UPTOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING IN TO HAVE LUNCH BETWEEN 11 AND FOUR AND THEY CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PARK BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE ALL DAY PARKING THAT'S HAPPENING THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE WANNA PARK ONCE. 
          THAT WAS REALLY THE QUESTION I WAS TRYING TO RAISE. 
          OBVIOUSLY I BELIEVE IN PARK ONCE, UM, I'M JUST ASKING WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY RAMIFICATIONS IN THE UPTOWN AREA FOR THIS. 
          THAT, THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I NOW I'M GONNA JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT BECAUSE I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO PRICING. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WHEN WE PUT IN THE METER PRICING, UH, METERS ON MAIN STREET, ONE OF THE CAVEATS AS WE WORKED WITH THE BUSINESS WAS THAT PRIOR TO THAT THERE WERE EMPLOYEES WHO WERE TAKING UP THOSE SPOTS AND SITTING THERE ALL DAY LONG. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION, THAT ISN'T WHAT WE WANT. 
          SO WE IMPLEMENTED PRICING THAT ESCALATED OVER TIME. 
          SO WHILE YOU COULD STAY THERE A MAXIMUM OF SIX HOURS, YOU WERE GONNA PAY QUITE A BIT FOR THAT IN HOURS FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX, I BELIEVE. 
          I THINK WE WERE $2, $2, $2 AND THEN IT ESCALATED FROM THERE. 
          UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF STRATEGIES. 
          SOME OF OUR OTHER LOTS ARE TIME LIMIT LOTS AND WE ENFORCE ON THOSE. 
          SO THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          KAREN UPTOWN TO ME IS A HUGE LOST OPPORTUNITY IN TERMS OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED WITH THE RANDOM LOTS EVERYWHERE. 
          AND, UM, WITH THE LOTS EVERYWHERE, DOES 
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CONSOLIDATION INTO A GARAGE PROVIDE AN ELIMINATION OF LOTS, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME MORE IN INNOVATIVE AND CREATIVE AND EFFECTIVE URBAN DESIGN INITIATIVES. 
          THAT'S MY BIG THING NOW IS URBAN DESIGN INITIATIVES THAT COULD MAYBE MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THE UPTOWN WALKABILITY AND FRIENDLINESS AND PEOPLE FOCUSED. 
          COULD IT, COULD IT, COULD IT THEN BE TURNED INTO MORE OF A PEOPLE FOCUSED DESTINATION AND, UM, SORT OF GATHERING LOCATION, WHICH IT CAN'T REALLY NOW BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE RANDOM PARKING LOTS THAT, THAT HAVE SORT OF DEFINED THAT WHOLE BACK END OF, OF UPTOWN. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, I, I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT. 
          AND HAVING SPENT TIME IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WHEN THE UPTOWN CFA WAS BEING PREPARED, THERE ARE SO MANY EXTRAORDINARY IDEAS IN THAT PLANNING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT PLANNING PROCESS FOR IMPROVED WALKABILITY, BIKEABILITY, COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES, UM, SHADE, UH, TREES. 
          JORDAN ROAD IN PARTICULAR HAS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT. 
          I BELIEVE MAIN STREET IS GONNA BE A CHALLENGE IN CERTAIN RESPECTS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY COMPLETELY BUILT OUT AND YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO STOP THE DEMAND FOR THE THROUGH TRAFFIC THAT HAS TO OCCUR. 
          IT'S STILL A STATE HIGHWAY. 
          UM, BUT JORDAN ROAD, YOU COULD CREATE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SENSE OF PLACE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR IF YOU EVEN REMOVED ON STREET PARKING. 
          AND WERE ABLE TO PUT IN SHARED USE PATHS AND GREEN SPACES, SORRY, RICE, I JUST SAID THAT, UM, . 
          BUT YES, THERE NO, SO CONSOLIDATION WOULD BE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT KIND OF A CHANGE. 
          THE SEA OF ASPHALT HAS TO GO AWAY TO MAKE SOME OF THAT POSSIBLE FOR THE FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ROBERT. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR ROBERT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE THERE UNTIL YOUR VOICE CAME OUT OF THIS. 
          NO, I, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE TO, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AN EITHER OR SITUATION, WE EITHER HAVE A GARAGE OR WE HAVE TRANSIT AND THEY DON'T WORK COMPATIBLY. 
          I'VE HEARD THAT FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, WHY YOU THINK THEY ARE COMPATIBLE OR NOT? YEAH, I ALSO ARTICULATED THIS IN THE AGENDA BILL, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO REVIEW IT. 
          SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, WHEN YOU ARE WORKING WITH A CONSOLIDATED MODEL, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED HERE TONIGHT WITH TRANSIT, THAT GIVES TRANSIT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO THOSE CONSOLIDATED FACILITIES, BE THEM LOTS, STRUCTURES, WHAT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TERM, THE TERM OF ART IS, UH, FIRST MILE, LAST MILE SERVICES TO THESE CONGESTED CORRIDORS TO WHICH UPTOWN CERTAINLY QUALIFIES. 
          SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, THE CONSOLIDATED MODEL, THE ONE BEING PROPOSED THIS EVENING, IS MUCH PREFERABLE AND MUCH MORE TRANSIT FRIENDLY OR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY, UM, THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE CURRENT SITUATION UPTOWN WITH THE, UH, SURFACE SLOTS THAT ARE DECENTRALIZED AND SPREAD THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE FOOTPRINT. 
          SO THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ALLOW YOU TO UTILIZE YOUR TRANSIT SYSTEM TO IMPROVE CIRCULATION IN UPTOWN AND REDUCE CONGESTION. 
          NOW IS THAT BEYOND THE MICRO TRANSIT AND THE SHUTTLE BUSES? IS THIS YEAH, MICRO TRANSIT. 
          UM, I, IT, IT MAY IMPACT OR HAVE AN IMPACT ON REDUCING THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED IN AND OUT OF UPTOWN FROM OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. 
          I DON'T SEE IT, UH, AS IMPROVING CIRCULATION WITHIN UPTOWN, BUT A FIXED ROUTE SHUTTLE RUNNING EVERY 12 TO 15 MINUTES WORKING WITHIN A CONSOLIDATED PARKING MODEL, HITTING, YOU KNOW, 1, 2, 3 LOCATIONS, WOOD. 
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DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, SO GOING BACK TO MY LAST QUESTION ABOUT PRICING, UM, OF THE PARKING GARAGE FROM WHERE WE STARTED, UH, 2012 THERE WAS A STUDY, ANOTHER STUDY, I MEAN, YEAH, GO, WHY DON'T YOU ADDRESS THAT, KAREN OR ANDREW? ANDREW? SURE. 
          SO WHAT I DID IS I JUST PULLED SOME OF THE, UM, THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAD STARTING IN THE 2012 STUDY. 
          THIS IS, UH, LOOKING AT A GARAGE AND LAND. 
          UM, SO WE, WE, IN THAT 2012 STUDY, WE HAD A NUMBER THEN IN THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN IN 2018. 
          UH, IN THAT STUDY WE ALSO HAD A PROJECT, UH, PROJECTED COST. 
          THIS IS, UM, TAKING THEIR NUMBER, WHICH WAS BASED ON COST PER SPACE AND PROJECTING THAT OUT TO WHAT OUR PROPOSED GARAGE WOULD BE. 
          SO LOOKING AT THAT IN THOSE TWO STUDIES AS WELL AS THE WALTER P. MOORE STUDY IN 2019, YOU CAN SEE AN A NUMBER THERE AS WELL. 
          THEN IN 2020 IN OUR BUDGET, WE HAD THE FIRST TIME PLACED AN ACTUAL BUDGETING COST INTO OUR BUDGET, AND THAT'S AGAIN, FOR A GARAGE AND THE LAND. 
          THEN THE LAST COST THAT WE HAD RECEIVED FROM OUR, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK LAST YEAR WAS 13 AND A HALF MILLION JUST FOR THE GARAGE. 
          AND THEN ADDED TO THAT IS THE LAND COST TO GET TO 14.4 MILLION. 
          AND JUST LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD COST, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET AN UPDATED, UH, GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. 
          THEY CALL IT AN ESTIMATE, ESSENTIALLY FROM OUR, OUR CMAR WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING SOMEWHERE AT ABOUT A 17% INCREASE IN COST. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THAT 16.7 MILLION IS SITTING. 
          THAT'S AGAIN, THE GARAGE AND, AND THE, UH, THE PERCENT INCREASE IS ONLY APPLIED TO THE GARAGE. 
          THE 16.7 INCLUDES THE LAND, BUT WE'VE ALREADY BOUGHT IT, SO WE DON'T NEED A ESCALATOR ON THAT. 
          THEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT FIVE YEARS OUT, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, JUST APPLYING THE CURRENT INFLATION RATE, UM, WE'D BE LOOKING AT 20 MILLION JUST FOR THE GARAGE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? VICE MAYOR? I DO, UH, I, I'VE TALKED TO KAREN ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY AND I LOOK AT ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US THAT YOU IDENTIFIED, ANDREW IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          WE HAVE RANGER BREWER, ROAD EXTENSION PORTAL, LANE RANGER, AUXILIARY MOBILITY HUB, FUTURE FOREST ROAD INTERSECTION AND BREWER ROUNDABOUT MODIFICATIONS A LOT OF PROJECTS. 
          NOW SOME OF THOSE ARE, ARE SCHEDULED TO BE PAID FOR BY THE TRANSPORTATION TAX AND THIS GARAGE, WHEN WE INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT IT, WAS GOING TO BE BONDED AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE WAS GONNA BE PAID FROM THE UPTOWN PARKING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          NOW WE'RE GONNA LOSE 13 SPACES FROM THE UPTOWN PARKING. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE REDUCING WHAT, WHAT WE GET FROM THAT. 
          AND IN MY BACK OF THE ENVELOPE, YOU KNOW, CALCULATIONS, WE'RE GONNA BE SHORT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE GARAGE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD TO THE DEBT SERVICE. 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE OUR PRIORITY SETTING IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE IN THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND. 
          SOME JUST GENERAL IDEA OF THE SEQUENCING OF THESE PROJECTS, THE COST OF THEM, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY? AND, UH, I REMEMBER, AND THIS IS FROM MY MEMORY, SO IT MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY ACCURATE, THAT WE ONLY HAD THIS YEAR PROJECTED SOMETHING LIKE $2 MILLION AS CARRY, YOU KNOW, EXCESS FROM OUR BUDGET. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL MONEY AND WE PUT A BIG CHUNK INTO THE HOUSING FUND OF MONEY FROM PRIOR YEARS, ALTHOUGH WE STILL HAVE SOME FROM, FROM THIS THIS YEAR. 
          UH, SO I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND AS WE MAKE DECISIONS, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK. 
          SO ALL OF THESE ARE IMPORTANT AND WE KEEP SAYING THAT THEY'RE ALL INCREMENTAL. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THEM TO MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IN ALL OF THE EMAILS. 
          MOST OF THE EMAILS THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING IN SUPPORT OF THE GARAGE FROM EMPLOYEES, THEY ASSUME IT'S FREE. 
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MAYBE IT WILL BE, WE, WE HAVEN'T EVEN GONE THERE AGAIN, IF WE MOVE FORWARD AND THAT WOULD, THAT MEANS WE'D BE SUBSIDIZING WHERE WE'D HAVE TO GET THE BUSINESSES TO, TO UH, ADD THAT AS A EMPLOYEE BENEFIT POTENTIALLY. 
          UH, SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN VERY WILLING AS A BODY TO IMPOSE A LOT OF, OF, UH, AND COSTS OR A LOT. 
          UH, EVEN IN THE, WE, WE LIKE FREE THINGS. 
          WE WANNA GIVE THE COMMUNITY FREE THINGS. 
          WE, THE, UH, MICRO TRANSIT IS VERY SMALL. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT GET BE GETTING SMALLER. 
          SO WE LIKE, WE DON'T LIKE TO IMPOSE HIGH, HIGH COSTS. 
          WE DIDN'T DO IT ON MAIN STREET WHEN WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO INITIALLY WITH OUR PRICING WAS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE GONNA HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRICING STRUCTURE THAN WE HAVE NOW. 
          WE ELIMINATED THE PRICING DURING THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, THE COST FOR, FOR PARKING DURING THE PANDEMIC. 
          I, I GET THAT. 
          BUT WE WERE REALLY SLOW IN RE IMPOSING IT 'CAUSE WE DON'T LIKE TO DO IT. 
          BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE AND HOW MUCH ALL OF THIS IS GONNA COST US AND WHERE ARE THOSE DOLLARS COMING FROM. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SUB, WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY AND WE HAVE BEEN INCREASING OUR DEBT SERVICE. 
          I KNOW WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR CAPACITY, BUT I DO THINK TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS IN THE NEXT, AND I THINK THE PRIORITY SETTING IS A PERFECT PLACE TO DO IT. 
          THAT WAS A LONG QUESTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO, I KNOW I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. 
          GO, GO FOR IT. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK I MET SAID IN MY EARLIER COMMENTS THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD COMPETE FOR ANY OTHER FUNDING. 
          AND, AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHY. 
          WHEN THE GARAGE PROJECT WAS LAST APPROVED, UM, FOUR OR SO YEARS AGO, TRANSIT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO PURSUE, BUT IT WAS IN THE DISTANT FUTURE. 
          UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCRETE PLANS FOR TRANSIT. 
          WE WERE JUST GETTING THE, THE ADDITIONAL IMPLEMENTATION PLAN PUT TOGETHER, BUT WE WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING. 
          UH, WE WERE GETTING READY TO HIRE ROBERT, BUT THAT WAS ABOUT IT. 
          THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE. 
          SO WHILE THE GARAGE WAS INITIALLY CONTEMPLATED TO BE FREE, IT WAS ONLY GOING TO BE FREE UNTIL TRANSIT WAS AVAILABLE. 
          SO I MENTIONED INCENTIVIZING THE USE OF TRANSIT THROUGH PRICING, PARKING. 
          SO IF WE DON'T WANT A, A LOT MORE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, WE WANNA MANAGE THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES COMING INTO UPTOWN, PRICING THE MOST PREMIUM PARKING IS PART OF THE WAY TO DO THAT, BUT ONLY IF WE HAVE A COMPLETE EASY, CONVENIENT AND FREE TRANSIT SYSTEM TO PUT PEOPLE ON SO THEY MAKE THAT CHOICE. 
          SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ASSUMPTIONS OF THE EMPLOYEES IN UPTOWN. 
          SOME BUSINESSES PROVIDE PARKING AND SOME DON'T. 
          BUT WHEN WE PRICED MAIN STREET, WE PRICED MAIN STREET BECAUSE IT WAS THE MOST PREMIUM PARKING AND THERE'S A PRICE FOR THAT. 
          THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE PREMIUM PARKING. 
          NOW OUR MAIN STREET PARKING TWO BUCKS AN HOUR. 
          RIGHT? NOT PREMIUM PRICE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND IT ISN'T, AND WHEN THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2017, WE DID INTEND TO DO A DEMAND PRICING. 
          SO DURING SLOW PERIODS IT WOULD PROBABLY BE TWO BUCKS AN HOUR DURING PEAK PERIODS THAT WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, THE DEMAND IS THERE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          WE NEVER DID THE DEMAND PRICING BECAUSE THE SENSORS ON MAIN STREET IN EACH INDIVIDUAL SPACE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GIVE US OCCUPANCY DATA NEVER WORKED. 
          . 
          UM, SO, AND THEN COVID HAPPENED AND WE, WE COMPLETELY DID AWAY WITH THE FEES. 
          AND SO, AND, AND BECAUSE WE COMMITTED TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD BUILD THE GARAGE AND THEN WE STOPPED THAT PROCESS. 
          WE ALSO DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS THE RIGHT TIME TO GO BACK TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND SAY, HEY, WE KNOW DURING SPRING AND FALL WE'RE WAY EXCEEDING A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, DEMAND, YOU KNOW, OCCUPANCY DEMAND, WE SHOULD INCREASE PRICING. 
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WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          SO, BUT NOW HERE WE ARE AND IF THE PROJECT, IF THE GARAGE MOVES FORWARD, WE ARE STILL TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS OUT FROM THAT GARAGE BEING OPERATIONAL. 
          IT IS MUCH MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED TIMING WISE WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF TRANSIT. 
          ROBERT JUST MENTIONED MICRO TRANSIT THAT WILL BE HERE IN A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, MONTHS, NOT YEARS. 
          UM, MAYBE , I WOULD PROPOSE THAT THIS GARAGE IS GOING TO BE A FEE. 
          NOW DOING MY BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH, IF WE CHARGE THE SAME $2 AN HOUR THAT WE DO ON MAIN STREET, THAT'S GONNA GENERATE A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS A YEAR IN REVENUE. 
          A DEBT SERVICE ON THE CURRENT ANTICIPATED COSTS IS UNDER A, IT'S JUST UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN DEBT SERVICE. 
          WHICH MEANS THAT THIS PROJECT COULD POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THE PROVISION OF THE FREE TRANSIT THAT WE CONTEMPLATE, UM, OR OTHER UPTOWN ENHANCEMENTS, UH, AND THE OPERATIONS THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO DO SOME OF THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE PARKING MANAGEMENT THAT IS GONNA BE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT. 
          SO THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, THIS IS NOT ONLY VIABLE, UM, BUT ACTUALLY MAKES FINANCIAL SENSE TO OFFSET SOME OF THESE OTHER AMBITIOUS THINGS WE WANT TO DO, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO LET THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY KNOW FROM THE GET-GO THAT WE INTEND TO CHARGE FOR PARKING. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IF IT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE THAT THE CITY BECOME INVOLVED IN TRYING TO MANAGE EMPLOYEE PARKING IN SOME FASHION. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME CITIES DON'T GET INVOLVED, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
           THEY LEAVE THAT UP TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA ASSUME THAT WE WILL OR WE WON'T, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES WHO MAY HAVE A PARKING DEFICIT AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          I MEAN, YOU GO ANYWHERE AND EMPLOYEES AREN'T PARKING RIGHT OUTSIDE, RIGHT THE DOOR, RIGHT? I MEAN, FOR ANY COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT EXCEPT TO LOCKA P MAYBE EXCEPT TO LOCKA P BUT GENERALLY FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, EMPLOYEES AREN'T GONNA GET THE, THE PREMIUM SPOTS. 
          SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE DETAILS TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT I, I REALLY DO, UM, BELIEVE, AND IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF, OF MAIN STREET AND THAT EXPERIENCE, I WOULDN'T BE AS CONFIDENT AS I AM. 
          I I STILL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS AT THE PRIORITY SETTING IN TERMS OF THE OTHER PROJECTS IN THEIR AND, AND WHAT ARE WE, WILL WE, THAT IS PART OF IT. 
          THE FIRST PART OF THE TWO DAY SESSION WILL BE THE ECONOMIC FORECAST AND THE CURRENT BUDGET. 
          AND, AND WE SAW NUMBERS FOR SEPTEMBER, WHICH ACTUALLY EXCEEDED OUR PROJECTIONS. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          AND THEY WERE VERY GOOD. 
          JESSICA PUT SIMPLY, YOUR ANSWER IS YES, BUILDING THE GARAGE IS FINANCIALLY PRUDENT AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO. 
          AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT HOW AND WHY THAT IS SO AT THE RETREAT. 
          IS THAT TRUE? YES. 
          I, I MEAN, I REALLY JUST WANNA BE REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, KATHY? YEAH. 
          THIS SPEAKS TO THE POINT THAT THE VICE MAYOR RAISED, WHICH IS THE, THE WILL OF THE WILL OF A COUNCIL MAY NOT BE THIS COUNCIL, WHICH IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT THAT OUT WHEN IT COMES TO PRICING FOR THE GARAGE. 
          UM, IF WE FACTOR, THINK THAT INTO OUR THINKING NOW THAT IT WOULD BE A SELF-FUNDING PROJECT, BUT THEN THERE'S A COMMUNITY OUTCRY WHEN THE GARAGE TWO AND A HALF YEARS FROM NOW IS READY TO OPEN AND, UM, ABOUT PRICING, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THAT MONEY MAY NOT COME TO FRUITION BECAUSE I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT A FUTURE COUNCIL WILL SAY OR DO OR THINK. 
          UM, SO HOW DO WE PROTECT OURSELVES ABOUT THAT IN YOUR, IN OUR FINANCIAL PLANNING? THE REALITY OF AN EXISTING COUNCIL NOT BEING ABLE TO FINANCIALLY ENCUMBER A FUTURE COUNCIL IS A FALLACY. 
          YOU COMMIT TO ONGOING DEBT SERVICE AND YOU COMMIT TO THINGS ALL THE TIME THAT ARE FINANCIAL, TIED TO FINANCES AND TIED TO FUTURE ASSU 
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ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT FUTURE FUNDING. 
          IF THIS COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION THAT THIS WAS HOW THIS PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE FUNDED AND ANOTHER COUNCIL CAME IN AND THEN JUST DIDN'T WANNA CHARGE FOR THE GARAGE, THEY HAVE A $20 MILLION QUESTION ON THEIR HANDS. 
          AND, AND THE REALITY IS, AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PRIORITIZE REVENUE ALLOCATIONS AND DECIDE IF THIS WAS HOW THEY WANTED TO SPEND THAT MONEY OR IF THEY WANTED TO FOREGO OTHER PROJECTS IN ORDER TO, TO HAVE A FREE TO FREE GARAGE. 
          BUT WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ALL THE TIME. 
          ALL THE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE, ANYBODY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? WE'D LIKE TO GET ON TO COMMENTS, ? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          ONE QUESTION. 
          GO. 
          IT'S, IT'S ONE, BUT IT'S A BIG ONE. 
          IT'S THE OTHER, ANOTHER ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM TYPE QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, I'M SURE IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT CAME UP FROM PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT FIRE STATION PERHAPS OCCUPYING THE SPACE INSTEAD OF A BARRAGE. 
          UM, I'M NOT UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT'S FEASIBLE, BUT I WANNA KNOW IF IT IS OR ISN'T. 
          I MEAN, DO YOU, I KNOW THAT CHIEF LES WAS HERE EARLIER AND LEFT. 
          UM, I WAS HOPING WE'D GET TO HIM IN OUR QUESTIONING OF EXPERTS, BUT, UM, I KNOW CHIEF FOLEY IS ALL ALONE IN THE BACK ROW YEAH. 
          WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT? ? WHAT'S THAT? BODYGUARD OF YOURS? UM, BUT KAREN, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE FIRE DISTRICT'S ABILITY TO EVER TAKE POSSESSION OF THAT LAND IF IT WASN'T DEVELOPED FOR THIS CAUSE, FOR THIS PURPOSE. 
          WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT STAND? I JUST WANNA DISPENSE WITH EVERYTHING SO THAT IT CAN'T COME BACK AND SAY THESE THINGS WEREN'T DISCUSSED AND WE DIDN'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, THIS HAS TO BE ON THE TABLE, SO, OKAY. 
          I, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE UP TO COUNCIL, WHETHER YOU FELT LIKE A FIRE STATION AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, I WOULD STRONGLY ARGUE THAT IT IS NOT, NOT THAT CITING A FIRE STATION IN UPTOWN IS NOT A VERY HIGH PRIORITY. 
          IT IS, BUT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS THE ONLY LOCATION IN UPTOWN OR IN THE STUDY AREA THAT IS FEASIBLE FOR A GARAGE. 
          IF, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T MOVE THE GARAGE FORWARD. 
          NOW, WITHIN A FEW YEARS, EITHER THIS COUNCIL OR A FUTURE COUNCIL IS GONNA BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS NEEDED. 
          UM, WHETHER IT'S NEEDED TODAY OR WHETHER IT'S NEEDED IN A FEW YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND IF YOU GET RID OF THIS SITE AND YOU OBLIGATE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE, IT'S GONE. 
          THERE IS, THERE IS NO OTHER SITE. 
          UM, IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO SET, DECIDED THERE IS NO NEED FOR A GARAGE, THERE WON'T BE A FUTURE NEED OR SOMEONE ELSE CAN, CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION LATER AND YOU OBLIGATE THIS SITE TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE GARAGE, I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT THAT ALSO WOULDN'T BE THE FIRE STATION. 
          THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT HAS MIXED USE ZONING. 
          IT, IT WOULD SUPPORT MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. 
          UM, WHICH IS A HIGHER PRIORITY FOR A PROPERTY THAT ALREADY HAS ZONING. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE RUN INTO A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH REZONING PARCELS FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. 
          THE MUNICIPAL LOT IS, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A IT UP ON THE AERIAL, BUT THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE MUNICIPAL LAW, QUITE FRANKLY, WOULD MAKE A BETTER LOCATION FOR A FIRE STATION, POTENTIALLY THAT LAW THAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT. 
          SO YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING ON THAT SITE OTHER THAN A COMMUNITY FACILITY, WHICH A FIRE STATION IS ONE. 
          SO YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO REZONE THAT, UH, TO MAKE SOME PIECE OF IT. 
          AND YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD A FIRE STATION ON THE SOUTHERN END AND PRESERVE PARKING ON THE NORTHERN END. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN VETTED. 
          BUT THOSE ARE MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ABOUT NOT, YOU KNOW, OBLIGATING THE SITE TO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT GOOD? YES, THAT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO, TO, UH, COMMENTS. 
          AND I KNOW BRIAN, UH, YOU WANTED TO, UH, WHY DON'T WE START WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          [05:15:01]
UH, FIRST OFF, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO, UH, EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN HERE, THAT'S BEEN HANGING IN FOR FIVE HOURS AND 40 MINUTES AND COUNTING, UH, RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, CERTAINLY TO EVERYBODY THAT TOOK THEIR THREE MINUTES AND SPOKE AND SHARED THEIR THOUGHTS, UH, IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THOSE THOUGHTS WERE COMING FROM. 
          SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE NOT VOTING ABSOLUTE ON, UM, WHETHER TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD AND FUND, UH, A PARKING STRUCTURE THIS EVENING. 
          WE'RE PROVIDING DIRECTION THAT COULD LEAD TO GETTING AN UPDATED PRICE, UH, AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          OR IT COULD BE DIRECTION TO SAY, NAH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED. 
          BUT, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC'S PURPOSES TONIGHT WILL NOT. 
          IF THIS, IF DIRECTION IS GIVEN TO MOVE FORWARD, IT WILL NOT BE THE LAST TIME THAT IT IS PUT IN FRONT OF THIS BODY FOR DECISION MAKING. 
          SO JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT. 
          UH, ALSO, I HAD GREAT NOTES PUT TOGETHER, UH, AND WHEN WESS WAS TALKING ABOUT FIRE SAFETY, MY LAPTOP CRASHED AND MY FILE GOT CORRUPTED. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE DONE THE BEST I CAN TO PUT MY THOUGHTS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. 
          SO HERE IT GOES. 
          UM, FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET ME TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT DURING THE LAST 18 MONTHS, YOU PROBABLY PICKED UP THAT I'VE EITHER BEEN SKEPTICAL TO OPPOSED SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. 
          PART OF IT HAS TO DO WITH ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE PRO OR, UH, CON ON, ON THE PROJECT. 
          THERE, THERE'S REALLY BEEN A LOT OF BAD ARGUMENTS MADE, UH, IN SUPPORT OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO SUNK COST BEING, UH, THE SUNK COST FALLACY PROBABLY BEING NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST. 
          UM, THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT, OR THIS POTENTIAL PROJECT HAS BEEN STUDIED SINCE 2005 DOES NOT BOTHER ME. 
          I SAY THANK YOU TO THE PRIOR COUNCILS THAT, UH, DID GO AHEAD AND HAD THE STUDIES DONE AND THE STAFF THAT'S WORKED ON THEM BECAUSE IT ENABLED A PROGRESSING VIEW OF, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT WAS THE NEED. 
          AND YEAH, IT'D BEEN GREAT TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUY THE GARAGE NOW FOR 7 MILLION IN CHANGE OR WHATEVER THAT LOWEST NUMBER WAS, BUT AT THE TIME THAT THE, THE COUNCIL THAT WAS IN PLACE DECIDED THAT THAT WASN'T NECESSARY. 
          UM, SO I I I DON'T SEE THAT AS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A REASON TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE, THE, THE BIGGEST, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS, UH, THAT I'VE HEARD OR ARGUMENTS FOR. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU NEED TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU, YOU'VE SPENT SO MUCH ALREADY. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          IT'S ONLY WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, FOR ME, PART OF MY OPPOSITION HAS SIMPLY BEEN ONE FACTOR, AND THAT'S COST. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS GONNA BE 13 MILLION, 15, 16.7 OR 20, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE COME TO THE REALIZATION OF IS THAT IT'S ONLY ONE FACTOR AND IT'S SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT'S ONLY ONE FACTOR. 
          AND AND CERTAINLY I WILL COME BACK TO THAT, UM, THE STUDY ITSELF. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JEREMIAH, ANDREW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. 
          UM, IS THE STUDY PERFECT? NO. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE ESTIMATES AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE VALUE JUDGMENTS. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE PERFECT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS EMPIRICALLY SOUND AS, YOU KNOW, THREE SIGNIFICANT DIGITS AND ALL THAT. 
          AND JEREMIAH, I STILL DON'T AGREE WITH 2.4% AGGREGATE, AGGREGATE AVERAGE GROWTH OF, UH, VEHICLES. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE 3.7% EMPLOYMENT GROWTH IN SEDONA. 
          UH, I THINK THAT ROBERT'S GONNA OVERDELIVER ON THE BENEFIT OF TRANSIT. 
          THANK YOU, ROBERT. 
          AND WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, SO WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE GROWTH IN THE NEED FOR PARKING THAT I DO BELIEVE. 
          AND WHETHER IT'S 2.4% OR 2% DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT NEED. 
          I THINK THAT THIS STUDY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF BRINGING TO LIGHT A WHOLE HOST OF CONSTITUENT OR STAKEHOLDER CONCERNS. 
          AND IT'S NOT, IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DOING SOMETHING FOR BUSINESS PER SE. 
          IT'S DOING SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY OF SEDONA, THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHICH INCLUDES BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK HAS, UH, BEEN MOST INTERESTING ABOUT, UH, STUDYING UP ON THIS AND LISTENING TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT IT IS, IS THIS GARAGE HAS BEEN PUT UP ON A PEDESTAL AND IT'S EITHER BEEN DEIFIED OR VILIFIED. 
          AND YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT IT FAR MORE DISPASSIONATELY THAN THAT. 
          ULTIMATELY, WE'VE GOT A DECISION TO MAKE HERE AND IS THE GARAGE, UM, THE RIGHT ANSWER? NO, IT'S NOT BY ITSELF, 
          [05:20:01]
BUT PART OF A SOLUTION. 
          YES, IT CAN BE. 
          AND ALL THE PIECES OF THE SOLUTION HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, AT LEAST MULTIPLE TIMES, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS ME TO THE SO WHAT AND, AND WHERE I STAND ON THIS. 
          SO BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING DIRECTION TONIGHT, MY VIEW IS, IS I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE DIRECTION, AT LEAST REPRESENTING MY OPINION, THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GARAGE PROJECT TO GET IT PRICED, TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST. 
          AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO BE COMMITTED. 
          AND, AND I MEAN THERE HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, EITHER IT'S ON A WORK PLAN, THERE'S MONEY DEDICATED TO IT, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S GOTTA BE REAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS A WHOLE HOST OF THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT ULTIMATELY MAKE THIS A SOLUTION. 
          SO THAT INCLUDES HAVING A PLAN FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SHOULD BE, BUT THERE HAS TO BE ONE, IT CAN'T JUST BE, WE'RE GONNA BUILD A GARAGE AND NOW EMPLOYEE PARKING ASSAULT, THAT IS NOT A SOLUTION. 
          SO WE HAVE TO BE COMMITTED TO CREATING A SOLUTION FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. 
          ADDITIONALLY, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE GIVING DIRECTION THAT THERE HAS TO BE A PLAN FOR RESIDENT ONLY PARKING ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS OF UPTOWN. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RIGHT SOLUTION IS FOR THAT EITHER, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE COMMITTED TO THAT. 
          WE'RE GONNA GET THAT FIGURED OUT ALSO. 
          AND, AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PARKING, IT'S ALSO ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE, LIVABLE. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CRITERIA HERE IS, UH, A HOMETOWN CHARM, RIGHT? OR SMALL TOWN CHARM. 
          I MEAN, A GARAGE IN AND OF ITSELF DOES NOT DELIVER ANY SMALL TOWN CHARM. 
          LAST I CHECKED. 
          BUT THIS IS AN OVERALL PART OF AN OVERALL SOLUTION. 
          I THINK WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND CREATE BETTER SMALL TOWN CHARM OUT OF AN UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD IF WE HAVE THE WILL TO DO SO. 
          I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION THAT THERE HAS TO BE EITHER A, A RELOOK AT THE UPTOWN CFA OR POLICY IN SOME OTHER MANNER THAT ENCOURAGES OR INCENTIVIZES THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PRIVATELY OWNED SURFACE LOTS. 
          AND CERTAINLY WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO, UM, GIVE UP, UH, THOSE LOTS IN ORDER TO CONSOLIDATE. 
          THERE HAS TO BE THE CONSOLIDATION AND WHETHER THERE'S A DEVELOPER FOR 4 0 1 JORDAN OR NOT, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          WE STILL NEED TO GO AHEAD AND BLOCK OFF THAT PARKING AS PART OF THE CONSOLIDATION THAT GOES WITH DOING THIS. 
          I ALSO WANNA SAY THAT I WANT TO THANK AND COMMEND THE WORK OF ANN MARK, SEAN, UH, FROM SEDONA RESIDENTS UNITE AND TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO LOOK AT SOLUTIONS FOR MANAGING, UH, WAY FINDING AND, AND USING TECHNOLOGY. 
          AND I WANT TO ALSO BE GIVING DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING A SOLUTION, WHETHER IT'S 11 X OR NOT, DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT THE RIGHT SOLUTION THAT WE SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTING THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH THE GIVEN PARKING THAT WE DO HAVE IN ORDER TO OPTIMIZE WHAT WE HAVE WHILE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, A GARAGE AND OTHER SOLUTIONS. 
          SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU PUT IN ON IT AND I THINK IT MATTERS AND, AND I CERTAINLY VALUED IT. 
          SO THE LAST PIECE IS, AND, AND IT JUST GOT TOUCHED ON A MINUTE AGO, WHICH IS THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE PAID FOR 100% WITH USER FEES, WITH THERE BEING A SURPLUS LEFTOVER. 
          WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THAT SURPLUS USED ON BEAUTIFICATION OF UPTOWN FOR THE BENEFITS OF RESIDENTS AS WELL AS VISITORS, OF COURSE. 
          SO, UM, A WHOLE LOT PACKED IN THERE. 
          A WHOLE LOT OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GIVEN AS DIRECTION FOR HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND IN MY MIND, WE HAVE TO GET THOSE OTHER PIECES TO MAKE A SOLUTION, UH, BECAUSE THE GARAGE ON ITS OWN IS NOT A SOLUTION. 
          AND IF, IF POSED WITH JUST VOTING ON SPENDING 16.7 MILLION WITHOUT COMMITMENTS TO ADDRESSING THESE OTHER THINGS, IF, IF SOMEHOW THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME NUMBER OF MONTHS FROM NOW, I CAN'T SAY THAT I WOULD VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GARAGE, BUT I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT READY TO MOVE FORWARD IF WE ADDRESS THESE ITEMS. AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CLEVER ABOUT THIS OR DIS DISINGENUOUS IN ANY WAY. 
          THE TEAM, THE THE TEAM HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF JUSTIFYING WHY WE NEED TO DO THIS. 
          AND I SEE THAT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S PART OF A SOLUTION. 
          IT'S NOT ON ITS OWN. 
          THE GARAGE IS NOT THE SOLUTION. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE IF YOU, YOUR COMPUTER CRASHED AND YOU JUST PUT THAT TOGETHER, WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE. 
          SO THAT WAS PRETTY 
          [05:25:01]
DARN GOOD FOR HAVING YOUR COMPUTER. 
          THAT'S NOT GOOD, MAYOR, I KNOW YOU ALWAYS MAKE IT WORK. 
          UH, CAN I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION PLEASE OF BRIAN? SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT HE WANTS THE, A COMMITMENT TO THESE. 
          ARE YOU SAYING YOU NEED THAT COMMITMENT BEFORE THAT THESE THINGS NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE YOU WOULD APPROVE IT OR YOU NEED TO HAVE, WHAT KIND OF A COMMITMENT WOULD YOU BE TALKING ABOUT? UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ADDRESSING THOSE ITEMS THAT THEY NEED TO BE FIGURED OUT, RIGHT? AS KAREN'S TALKED REPEATEDLY, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          SO THESE THINGS NEED TO BE FIGURED OUT ABSOLUTELY BEFORE THAT GARAGE GOES LIVE, BUT NOT BEFORE YOU WOULD APPROVE THE SPENDING THE MONEY. 
          OH, THAT WAS MY CLARIFICATION. 
          THESE THINGS AND MANY OTHERS DO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          MELISSA, ARE YOU READY TO GO? THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT I USED OLD FASHIONED TECHNOLOGY  JUST IN CASE MY COMPUTER CRASHED . 
          DID YOU TYPE IT TOO? THE WILDFIRE? NO, MY COMPUTER DID. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND MY PRINTER . 
          UM, SO THERE'S TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO I'M REALLY JUST GOING TO PARTY ON, UH, WHAT COUNCIL COUNSELOR, UM, FOLKS JUST SAID, UM, KIND OF DITTO ON EVERYTHING. 
          AND I'M GONNA SORT OF SUMMARIZE THEM IN MY OWN WORDS. 
          HOWEVER, NONE OF THESE REQUIREMENTS OR THOUGHTS THAT I'M GOING TO GIVE TO YOU SHOULD STOP THE GARAGE PROJECT FROM MOVING FORWARD, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE IT IS THE LONG POLE AS WELL AS THE KEY COMPONENT IN AN OVERARCHING PROJECT AROUND PARKING AND PARKING MANAGEMENT AND, UM, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND UPTOWN. 
          SO IF UPTOWN IS, UH, AN IMPORTANT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR US, THEN WE NEED TO THINK OF IT HOLISTICALLY, NOT AS LET'S BUILD A PIECE AND THEN LET'S BUILD A PIECE AND THEN LET'S BUILD A PIECE. 
          WE NEED TO THINK OF IT OVERARCHING. 
          UM, FOR SURE. 
          I WILL NOW GO THROUGH ALL THE SAME POINTS BASICALLY THAT BRIAN DID. 
          UM, THIS TO ME IS ABOUT CONSOLIDATION, NOT EXPANSION. 
          SO I HEARD PEOPLE USE THE WORD, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT MORE. 
          UM, THAT'S EXPANSION AS OPPOSED TO CONSOLIDATION, WHICH IS TO SAYING RELEASE SOME OF THE LOTS THAT WE HAVE NOW, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD KAREN SPEAK ABOUT THIS AS THE GARAGE IS OUR ANCHOR FOR PULLING PEOPLE OFF. 
          1 79, 89 A, UM, OFF THE Y AND THEN WE HAVE THE LARGE GARAGE, OR THE LARGE MUNICIPAL LOT THAT WE HAVE TODAY TO PULL PEOPLE FROM THE CANYON SO THAT YOU GET THEM THERE AND NO ONE'S GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE UNLESS THEY'RE PASSING THROUGH. 
          SO I GET THAT AND UM, I'M ALL FOR IT. 
          EMPLOYEE PARKING, IT'S A DIFFERENT TOPIC. 
          WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS HOW DO WE GET MORE VISITORS TO COME AND STAY IN UPTOWN INSTEAD OF DRIVING AROUND SAYING, I CAN'T FIND A PLACE LEAVING INSTEAD OF VISITING OUR SHOPS OR GOING AND, AND GETTING SOMETHING TO EAT. 
          HOPEFULLY NOT AT CHIPOTLE, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THE COWBOY CLUB. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          NICE. 
          SO, UM, I I WAS JUST SAYING 'CAUSE THEY PICKED CHIPOTLE OF ALL THE STORES THAT ARE OVER IN THE HYATT PLACE, SO, AND WHY NOT WILDFLOWER? SO THAT TO ME, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          THIS ISN'T THAT CONVERSATION, RIGHT? THIS IS A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. 
          UM, TO KAREN'S POINT, I AGREE. 
          WHEN I WORKED IN RETAIL, BOY WHEN IT WAS BUSY, I WAS NEVER ALLOWED TO EVEN PARK POTENTIALLY IN THE GIANT PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          I HAD TO PARK OFFSITE AND BE SHUTTLED IN. 
          SO WE NEED TO START TO THINK ABOUT THIS BEING A REAL THING FOR US. 
          THAT WE GET VISITORS AND WE HAVE EMPLOYEES AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          SHOULD THE CITY PAY OR NOT PAY PART OF THE DISCUSSION? UM, I CERTAINLY HEAR KAREN'S SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT AND I MIGHT, I MIGHT FALL ON THAT SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT, UM, THAT THIS IS NOT A CITY PROBLEM. 
          VISITORS ARE A CITY PROBLEM. 
          GETTING VISITORS HERE, KEEPING THEM OFF THE ROADS, MAKING SURE THEY CAN GET OUT IF WE HAVE AN, UH, EMERGENCY EVACUATION REQUIRED, THAT'S OUR JOB, IN MY OPINION. 
          BUT WE CAN'T NOT HAVE THE CONVERSATION AROUND EMPLOYEES, UM, UP IN UPTOWN. 
          UM, I THINK THERE, IT ALSO, WE NEED A PAYMENT SYSTEM. 
          I COMPLETELY AGREE. 
          THIS SHOULD BE SELF-FUNDING. 
          I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYWHERE THESE DAYS THAT YOU REALLY GET FREE PARKING, UM, IN SMALL COMMERCIAL AREAS. 
          SO I THINK IT SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF. 
          IT EVEN AT $2 AND HOUR, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT CAN FUND ITSELF. 
          UM, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          [05:30:01]
THE ONLY PART FOR ME IS IT HAS TO PAY FOR ITSELF. 
          IT MUST BE SELF-FUNDING. 
          UM, DIGITAL WHITE WAYFINDING FOR SURE. 
          THE WORK YOU GUYS DID. 
          UM, I THINK IT REALLY HELPED, I THINK IT HELPED CLARIFY AND HAVE US ALL HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT IT IS WE NEED TO DO WHEN WE DO THIS. 
          IS 11 X THE RIGHT SOLUTION? TO BRIAN'S POINT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, I'M NOT AN EXPERT FOR SURE, BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT DOES DIGITAL WAY FINDING. 
          IT SHOWS, IT TRACKS THE PARKING SPACES. 
          IT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY, WELL, EVERYONE USE IT. 
          NO. 
          UM, WE, WE KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, DIGITAL LUDDITES, RIGHT? UH, AND DON'T, DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR PHONES FOR THESE KINDS OF APPS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS FOR THEM AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP ALL OF THAT IN MIND. 
          UM, I WAS GONNA SAY WE'RE THE, THAT GENERATION'S DYING OUT, BUT THAT WOULD BE HARSH IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, RESTRICTION OF STREET PARKING FOR SURE. 
          WE NEED TO GET OUR SIDE STREETS, OUR UPTOWN STREETS CLEAR OF CARS. 
          IT'S A HAZARD. 
          YOU CANNOT GET OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES THROUGH. 
          I'VE SEEN THE STREETS WHERE THEY'RE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES HALFWAY UP A WELL, WHAT OUGHT TO BE A SIDEWALK, BUT MAY NOT REALLY BE A SIDEWALK. 
          BUT PEOPLE ARE WALKING THERE, THEY'RE WALKING BETWEEN CARS AND YOU KNOW, SOME CARS COMING UP AND SOMEONE'S WALKING IN BETWEEN TWO CARS. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAGEDY UP THERE IF THERE ALREADY HASN'T BEEN TRAGEDY UP THERE. 
          SO I FOR SURE AGREE WE SHOULD BE RESTRICTING. 
          BUT A COMPLICATION IS ALLOWING PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN UPTOWN TO BE ABLE TO PARK ON THEIR OWN STREETS IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN HOMES. 
          RESIDENT PERMITS IS A VERY TRICKY, COMPLICATED PROBLEM FOR MANY, MANY REASONS. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE JUST HAVE TO THINK THAT THROUGH. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          UH, IMPROVEMENTS ON WALKABILITY, SAFETY, UM, ALL OF THAT JUST, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AROUND THAT FOR SURE. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, I'VE READ THE CFA THAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED FOR UPTOWN AND IT HAS SOME REALLY WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT IN IT. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE AN AWESOME PLACE TO MAKE UPTOWN ACTUALLY A CORE PIECE OF WHAT PEOPLE WANNA SEE, BECAUSE THAT FEELS LIKE SEDONA. 
          UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE WEST SIDE WHERE WE'RE MOSTLY JUST STORES. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE ADDITIONAL THING, AND I'M SORRY. 
          UM, THIS IS REALLY FOR THE TOURISM BOARD. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE TWO WONDERFUL SPACES. 
          UM, IF WE WANT TO DIRECT VISITORS, WHY NOT FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SET UP LITTLE KIOSKS, WHAT WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THAT ALLOWS, LIKE IN A MALL, UM, WHERE IT SAYS I WANNA GO TO AND I LOOK IT UP, AND THEN IT ALSO THEN SHOWS ME WHERE IS I'M GOING. 
          NOW, IF WE'RE GONNA BE CLEVER, OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD PICK IT UP AND TRANSFER IT TO YOUR PHONE USING QR CODES IN ALL KINDS OF TECHNOLOGY, BUT WHY NOT USE THAT AS A POINT IN TIME, NOT ONLY FOR TRANSIT AND SAYING, HEY, YOU CAN PICK YOUR TRANSIT UP HERE, BUT ALSO TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY CAN FIND THINGS, WHETHER IT'S THERE OR IT'S DOWN ON 1 79 IN THE REST OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. 
          SO THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT I CAN SEE IF WE KEEP IT CONSOLIDATED INTO TWO AREAS AND WE DON'T HAVE IT SPREAD ALL OVER. 
          SO I WILL NOW YIELD THE FLOOR VICE MAYOR. 
          I LIKE BRIAN, HAVE BEEN SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE GARAGE FOR LONGER THAN YOU . 
          AND I CAME IN HERE TONIGHT VERY TORN. 
          UH, I WAS NOT CONVINCED BY THE WALTER B. MOORE STUDY THAT WE NEEDED MORE PARKING. 
          'CAUSE HERE WE ARE FIVE YEARS AND WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVE THE SAME PARKING ISSUES, BUT WE HAVEN'T MATCHED THAT. 
          SO I THINK, OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE FIVE YEARS, HENCE. 
          AND, UH, WE FACED THE SAME ISSUES, BUT NOT MORE ISSUES, JUST THE SAME ISSUES. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS DID A REMARKABLE JOB AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE CONVINCED ME THAT WE ARE IN A PARKING DEFICIT AND I HAVE STRUGGLED AND STRUGGLED WITH WHERE DO WE FIND THIS PARKING? AND I KNOW THAT, UH, UH, MARK TIMBROOK DID A, A REALLY GOOD ANALYSIS OF ALL THE PRIVATE PARKING, BUT LIKE THE BEHIND THE ART CENTER, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO DEVELOP THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THE ART CENTER'S GONNA BE HAVING ISSUES, UH, FOR THEIR EVENTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY RELY ON. 
          SO IT'S NOT, AND IT IS AVAILABLE RIGHT 
          [05:35:01]
NOW ILLEGALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE DURING THE DAY. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO PARK THERE AND WALK UP THE HILL. 
          THAT'S NOT BEEN A DISINCENTIVE FOR THEM, BUT IT ISN'T AVAILABLE. 
          UH, AS, AS THEY GET APPROVAL, ASSUMING THEY GET APPROVAL FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THEIR PLANS, IT GOES AWAY. 
          SO WHERE IS THEIR PARKING? AND YOU KNOW, THE OTHER DAY I WAS IN UPTOWN AND I'M JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, I DON'T LIKE TO GO THERE. 
          I WAS THERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND ONE OF THE LOTS, I GOT THE LAST SPACE, EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          THAT'S NOT TOURISTS WHO WERE THERE, IT'S EMPLOYEES WHO WERE PARKING THERE AND THE HYATT WAS FULL AND WE'RE IN NOVEMBER. 
          AND THIS WAS NOT THE THREE DAY WEEKEND. 
          IT'S BECAUSE EMPLOYEES ARE PARKING THERE. 
          AND THAT MEANS THAT OUR BUSINESSES ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING INTO THEIR SHOPS TO SPEND MONEY ARE NOT PARKING THERE. 
          EMPLOYEES PARK THERE ALL DAY. 
          SO I DO THINK WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE EMPLOYEE ISSUE. 
          I THINK IT'S A HUGE ISSUE BECAUSE NO EMPLOYEES MEANS NO REVENUE. 
          AND IF EMPLOYEES, IF WE TAKE THEM OUT, THEN WE HURT OUR BUSINESSES. 
          AND I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE BUSINESSES, BUT WE HAVE ALSO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          I DON'T LIKE GOING DOWN VAN DEER AND THEY'RE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. 
          IT'S VERY, VERY NARROW. 
          I I ALWAYS THINK I'M GONNA BE IN AN ACCIDENT. 
          IT REALLY MAKES ME NERVOUS. 
          AND THE STREETS ARE VERY NARROW AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE, LIKE EBOLA HILLS IN THE UPPER PARTS OF UPTOWN, WHAT THEY WOULD DO IN THE EVENT OF A CRISIS BECAUSE PARKING IS EVERYWHERE. 
          SO I, FOR ME, THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS ARE REALLY CRITICAL. 
          AND TO ME THAT'S PART OF CONSOLIDATION. 
          AND I WAS SORRY THAT THAT REALLY WASN'T INCLUDED IN, IN THE STUDY. 
          'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THE, THE LOTS ARE GONNA BE REMOVED. 
          4 0 1 JORDAN'S GONNA BE REMOVED BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          MAY NOT BE THE ONE THAT'S ON THE TABLE NOW, BUT SOMETHING IS GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO BE REMOVED. 
          SO IN THESE SCENARIOS, I REALLY WANT US TO SERIOUSLY NEXT STEP DECIDE WHAT DOES CONSOLIDATION REALLY, REALLY LOOK LIKE? AND IT HAS TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF RESIDENTIAL PARKING. 
          FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT ALL OF, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS. 
          JUST LIKE YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, BUT IT HAS TO BE A FACTOR IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S A SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE FOR, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, UH, TECHNOLOGY, I THINK TECHNOLOGY'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. 
          KATHY AND I ALREADY ASKED KAREN TO PUT, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR PRIORITY SETTING AND UH, TALK ABOUT IT THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF CONVERSATIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS OR THE ANSWER, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO BE A FACTOR. 
          I KNOW IN ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, I USED TO LIVE IN VIRGINIA. 
          I LIVED IN VIRGINIA BEFORE I MOVED HERE. 
          THEY'VE HAD, UH, TECHNOLOGY BASED PARKING FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 
          EVEN IN THE MALLS TO TELL YOU, HUGE MALLS TO TELL YOU WHERE THE PARKING SPACES ARE SO PEOPLE ARE NOT CIRCULATING ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND. 
          SO I THINK IT HAS TO BE PART OF OUR SOLUTION. 
          I UNDERSTAND WE BOUGHT TECHNOLOGY, IT'S, IT'S COME FORWARD SINCE WE INSTALLED IT. 
          SO I THINK WE, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE IT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S AN EITHER OR. 
          I THINK IT'S A NECESSARY COMPONENT. 
          UH, SO EMPLOYEE PARKING, RESIDENTIAL STREETS, TECHNOLOGY, UH, AND FRANKLY, AFTER LISTENING HERE, I'M NOT SURE THIS EVEN SOLVES OUR PROBLEM. 
          IT MAY SOLVE OUR FIVE YEAR PROBLEM, MAYBE EVEN OUR 10 YEAR PROBLEM. 
          BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA RESOLVE THAT. 
          AND UH, I JUST HEARD THAT COTTONWOOD IS ABOUT TO PUT IN A GARAGE BECAUSE THEY'VE TAKEN EVERY POSSIBLE SURFACE LOT AND IT ISN'T SUFFICIENT. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A GARAGE BECAUSE EVEN JUST SPILL OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN A BIG, UH, UH, PRO TOURISM 
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MODE THESE DAYS. 
          AND SO THEY'RE HEAVILY ADVERTISING COTTONWOOD. 
          THEY WERE AT THE SUPER BOWL, HAD A BIG AD AT THE SUPER BOWL, AND THEY'RE DOING ALL KINDS OF CONCERTS. 
          TAYLOR SWIFT AND PINK. 
          YEAH, COTTONWOOD WAS EVERYWHERE. 
          SO WHE HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHO SPILLS OVER TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE SPILL OVER TO THEM OR THEY SPILL OVER TO US. 
          I AGREE. 
          PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO. 
          AND, UH, JUST LIKE WE WANNA DISPERSE SOUTH, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA DISPERSE NORTH, YOU KNOW, . 
          SO IT'S ALL IN THE VERDE VALLEY. 
          UH, SO I, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE ANSWER BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BIG. 
          I THINK IT WILL CHANGE UPTOWN REALLY. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IN A REALLY GREAT WAY, EVEN THOUGH I LIKE THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, IT'S JUST THIS MASSIVE BUILDING. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. 
          'CAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANY ANSWER, UH, ANY OTHER ANSWER. 
          AND I WISH THERE WERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS. 
          SO, BUT FOR ME, JUST LIKE FOR YOU TWO, THESE OTHER THINGS MUST HAPPEN AND WE HAVE TO BE COMMITTED TO IT. 
          AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE FORCE OF WILL TO MAKE THIS DEBT SERVICE BE PAID FOR BY THE GARAGE. 
          AND WE REALLY DO, BECAUSE MY BACK OF THE ENVELOPE SAYS THAT WITH THE MONEY COMING FROM THE PARKING METERS, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE DEFICIENT BY HALF A MILLION OR MORE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE INTEREST RATES REALLY ARE. 
          I WAS DOING 5% 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST THAT WE DID. 
          IT WAS ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. 
          SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING A MILLION SO WE COULD USE IT FOR MAINTENANCE, BUT WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE. 
          I DO NOT WANNA PAY THAT DEBT SERVICE OUT OF ANY OTHER FUNDING. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          YOU'RE DONE. 
          OKAY, JESSICA, COME TO THE MIDDLE. 
          YEAH. 
          IN THE INFINITE NUMBER OF YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN DISCUSSING THE PARKING GARAGE, I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON, UH, ON WHETHER TO SUPPORT IT OR NOT. 
          UM, BUT THE, THE THING THAT THE, THE THING THAT I ENDED UP DOING WAS FORMING IN MY MIND A VISION OF WHAT CONSOLIDATION WOULD DO. 
          SO IT'S NOT ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE, IT'S ABOUT BASICALLY RE REIMAGINING PARKING IN A WAY THAT THAT BENEFITS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY UPTOWN AND PROVIDES AN INCREDIBLE NUMBER OF OPTIONS. 
          AND SO THAT'S IN THE END WHY I'VE BEEN VERY STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          UM, I THINK I AGREE RESIDENT GETTING CARS OFF RESIDENTIAL STREETS IS VITAL. 
          AND I KNOW THAT KAREN'S TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          I KNOW THAT THAT WILL BE PART OF IT. 
          UM, MOSTLY FOR THE EMERGENCY SERVICES AND FOR EVACUATION. 
          AND AS, AS HOLLY, I'VE DRIVEN DOWN IT AND, AND THOUGHT THAT SOME, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LITTLE CARD I THINK COULD I GET THROUGH? SO, UM, CONSOLIDATION IS, IS ABSOLUTELY THE MAIN ISSUE. 
          UH, I, I'M VERY TIED, AS I MENTIONED ABOUT URBAN DESIGN. 
          I THINK UPTOWN'S A UPTOWN MAKES ME WEEP UPTOWN SHOULD BE OR COULD BE SUCH, UM, AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE THAT DRAWS BOTH TOURISTS AND LOCALS. 
          IT COULD BE LOVELY, BUT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE SEAS OF CARS FACING EVERY STREET WITH SIDEWALKS, IT'S, IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST SAD WHEN I GO THERE. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S SAD TO SEE THAT. 
          SO I SEE CONSOLIDATION IS PROVIDING INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITIES, AND WHILE YOU SAY UP, IT WILL CHANGE UPTOWN THE GARAGE, I SAY GOOD, IT WILL CHANGE UPTOWN BECAUSE UPTOWN NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. 
          I THINK THAT THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT PARKING NON-SYSTEM IS NOT ONLY DYSFUNCTIONAL, BUT AS WE HEARD TONIGHT FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS, CHAOTIC AND A SOURCE OF GREAT DISTRESS, I'M SURE TO VISITORS. 
          AND SO ABOUT, I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE, UM, INDUCED PARKING. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE VISITORS VERY, VERY 
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FRUSTRATED AND HAPPY ABOUT PARKING AND THE IMPORT OF THE STRENGTH OF SOCIAL MEDIA, IF IT, IT JUST DOESN'T GO TOGETHER. 
          PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH PARKING IS AWFUL AND EVERYBODY'S UPSET, PEOPLE KEEP COMING. 
          SO I THINK THAT YOUR, YOUR ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT. 
          UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO TO HAVE AN UPTOWN THAT LOOKS AND FUNCTIONS THE WAY IT DOES IT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE BUSINESSES. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE I THINK IT COULD BE MUCH MORE, AND I THINK THIS PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO THAT IS, UM, IS, IS IS UPTOWN NOW THE TOWN CENTER THAT, THAT WE WANNA PRESERVE? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          UM, AND THE SUGGESTION TO CREATE MORE ON GRADE PARKING LOTS UPTOWN, YOU KNOW, USING VALUABLE COMMERCIAL LAND TO CREATE SEAS, EVEN MORE SEAS OF PARKED CARS IN OUR PRIMARY TOURIST AREA. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          UM, IN THE, THE HIGH TECH WAY OF, OF, OF IDENTIFYING SPOTS. 
          I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY USEFUL, BUT NOT UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE LOTS ARE JUST FLUNG OUT THERE DISPERSED AND IN VARIOUS CONDITIONS OF REPAIR AND DISREPAIR. 
          IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITIONS. 
          SO FOR ME, UM, THE CONSOLIDATION IS, IS THE CRITICAL, THE CRITICAL FEATURE. 
          UM, I DON'T, I WANNA THANK THE BUSINESSES THAT SHOWED UP AND THAT SPOKE OUT. 
          WE DON'T SEE THE CHAOS THAT THE PARKING, LACK OF PARKING CAUSES. 
          WE DON'T SEE IT, WE DON'T GO UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S CHAOTIC, BUT WE THEN WE DON'T SEE IT. 
          BUT THE URBAN RANGERS SEE IT AND THE BUSINESSES SEE IT. 
          AND I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW COLEY WHETHER IT HAS GOTTEN WORSE IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, UM, BECAUSE HAS THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE PART PEOPLE INCREASED FROM VISITORS? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I HEARD VERY IMPASSIONED, VERY BELIEVABLE STORIES OF, OF, OF FRUSTRATION AND THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT AND NOT GOOD. 
          SO I'M, I'M TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE. 
          I DO SORT OF HAVE AN ISSUE ABOUT, I MEAN, I AGREE THAT, THAT IT SHOULD BE SELF-SUPPORTING, BUT I THINK WE NEED A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THE WHOLE RANGE OF WHAT WE'RE INCENTIVIZING. 
          I DON'T WANNA SAY THE GARAGE HAS TO BE SELF-SUPPORTING REGARDLESS OF ANY OTHER FACTORS THAT MIGHT ARISE AND, AND WHAT, WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO US INCENTIVIZING STUFF THAT WE WALKED. 
          SO WHILE I THINK WE WILL AIM FOR, I WOULD, I WOULD AIM FOR SELF-SUPPORTING. 
          IT'S NOT FOR ME A MAKE OR BREAK. 
          I THINK IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A WIDER PRICING AND INCENTIVIZING DISCUSSION THAT, THAT SORT OF MESHES ALL THE THINGS TOGETHER. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF, OF THE PARKING AND THE TRANSIT AND THE MINI, MINI, WHATEVER THAT THING IS, I CAN'T REMEMBER ANYMORE. 
          SO MICRO, MICRO, MICRO, MICRO. 
          AND I, AND I, UH, I THINK THAT'S, I WANT, OKAY, I'M GOING ONE MORE THING. 
          I WANNA MOVE FORWARD. 
          I WOULD, I WANNA GIVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD AND TO BRING US, UM, UH, THE NEXT STEP IS WHAT THE NEXT FUNDING? NO, THE NEXT STEP. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR? THE COST ESTIMATE. 
          THE COST ESTIMATE IS NATURALLY GONNA COME NEXT. 
          SO WHAT WOULD NORMALLY COME NEXT IN A PROJECT? WELL, WHAT WE'LL NEED TO DO IS MOVE FORWARD WITH COMPLETING THE DESIGN. 
          YES. 
          AND WITH THAT, WHAT BE ABLE TO GENERATE THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIRECTION I WANNA GIVE MOVE FORWARD WITH COMPLETING THE DESIGN AND THAT. 
          AND WHILE COUNCILMAN FOR FUL SAYS THAT THIS ISN'T THE LAST DECISION POINT, I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. 
          I I BELIEVE IT IS A DECISION POINT. 
          I THINK IF WE SAY MOVE FORWARD WITH COMPLETING THE DESIGN, THAT IT IS A DECISION POINT. 
          I I DO NOT WANT TO, TO ACT LIKE WE CAN KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IT'S TIME TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          WE KNOW THE RANGE. 
          WE KNOW IT'S GONNA COST A LOT MORE MONEY THAN ANYBODY WANTS TO PAY OR THINKS WE SHOULD PAY. 
          IT'S JUST, AND SO I THINK TONIGHT IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO SAY, YEAH, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, FINISH DESIGN, AND BRING US THE NEXT THING DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UM, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WE'RE GONNA 
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TELL 'EM TO FINISH DESIGN AND BRING US A PRICE. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, NO, I, I'M SORRY. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S RESPONSIBLE. 
          I THINK IT PUTS STAFF THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH OF MORE HOOPS. 
          AND I THINK IF WE SAY TODAY, MOVE AHEAD WITH DESIGN, WE ARE BASICALLY GIVING, GIVING A A FINAL GO AHEAD. 
          I MEAN, OF COURSE WE CAN ALWAYS TURN DOWN THE CONTRACT, BUT I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO INTO IT THINKING, WELL, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO NOT DO IT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I ASK IS THAT THIS COUNCIL TONIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION AND NOT ACT AND NOT THINK THAT, OH, I HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO CHANGE MY MIND LATER. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO PROCEED. 
          SO THAT'S MY FINAL STATEMENT. 
          THANK YOU, PETE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          IT'S INTERESTING TO ME AND IT'S REALLY NICE TO BE AT THE BACK END OF OUR COMMENTS NOW BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN TO HEAR A LOT OF WHERE MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE WENT ON THEIR JOURNEY TO ARRIVE AT SOME CONCLUSIONS. 
          AND I THINK ALL OF OUR JOURNEYS HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IN THIS, BUT I'M HEARING A LOT OF SIMILARITIES, WHICH IS REALLY ENCOURAGING TO ME. 
          AND I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS COUNCIL AND THE COLLEAGUES THAT WE HAVE TODAY WITH US. 
          AND, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT. 
          UM, I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT OF MY JOURNEY IN ARRIVING TO THE CONCLUSIONS THAT I'VE REACHED. 
          UM, AND I DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TIME IN THE SADDLE AS THE VICE MAYOR REFERENCED, BUT I DID IN FACT GO AND DELVE DEEPLY INTO THE 2005, THE 2012, THE 2019 STUDIES, AND WENT THROUGH LIKE ALL OF US, ALL THE CURRENT SET OF DOCUMENTS. 
          AND THIS GARAGE HAS NEVER BEEN JUST ABOUT A GARAGE IN THE 2005 STUDY. 
          AND I'M GONNA START QUOTING NOW, AND SOME OF THE WORDS ARE MISSING, AND I'M NOT GONNA READ EVERYTHING, BUT I WILL. 
          IT, IT SAYS IN HERE, THE CITY SHOULD ESTABLISH DEDICATED EMPLOYEE PARKING LOTS. 
          PERMIT REQUIRED, IT SAID TIME RESTRICTIONS AND PAID PARKING OPTIONS IN PRIME LOCATIONS RECOMMENDED WHILE ADDITIONAL PARKING SUPPLY OPTIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS ARE NEEDED. 
          INITIAL EFFORTS SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON MAXIMIZING THE USE OF EXISTING PARKING SUPPLIES AND REDUCING TRAFFIC CONGESTION THAT RESULTS FROM THE CIRCULATING TRAFFIC. 
          AND, UH, HUNTING FOR CLOSE PARKING. 
          IT SAYS, UNTIL AN EFFECTIVE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS IN PLACE, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCURATELY DETERMINE YOUR NEED TO CONSTRUCT NEW PARKING. 
          BETTER SIGNS AND MAPS ARE NEEDED IN ORDER FOR THE PARKING LOTS TO BE VIABLE FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          THE REMOTE LOTS, BOTH A RELIABLE AND A FREQUENT SHUTTLE SERVICE WOULD NEED TO BE PROVIDED ALONG WITH DISINCENTIVES TIME LIMITS, PERMITS, PARKING FEES IN MORE DESIRABLE AND CONVENIENT PARKING AREAS. 
          RESIDENTIAL PARKING QUOTE ON SMITH WILSON VAN DEEN. 
          MESQUITE APPLE SCHLEY SHOULD BE ONE SIDE PARKING WITH RESIDENTIAL OR, UH, OR EMPLOYEE PERMIT AT THE TIME, A CITY OWNED PARKING DEPARTMENT FOR ENFORCEMENT DATA COLLECTION, EDUCATION, MAINTENANCE PLANNING, CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          A LITTLE SHOUT OUT TO OUR FRIEND JT, WHO HAS SAT QUIETLY IN THE AUDIENCE ALL THIS EVENING. 
          DONALD SCHOUP WAS MENTIONED IN 2005, THE HIGH COST OF FREE PUBLIC PARKING PHASE. 
          ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE 2005 STUDY SAID, DEVELOP A PUBLIC PARKING PROGRAM. 
          NOW, JUST SKIPPING, I'M ONLY GONNA TOUCH ON 2012. 
          HISTORICALLY, A CITY WISHING TO SOLVE ITS PARKING PROBLEM HAS ALMOST ALWAYS SOUGHT AN INCREASE IN SUPPLY. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, SIMPLY INCREASING PARKING SUPPLY OFTEN ENCOURAGES MORE AUTO USE. 
          THEY DIDN'T CALL IT INDUCED DEMAND, BUT FURTHERMORE, SIMPLY INCREASING SUPPLY OR ENFORCING INEFFICIENT REGULATIONS WILL NEVER ADDRESS THE CORE PROBLEM OF CONCENTRATED DEMAND. 
          PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARKING MANAGES AN INTEGRATED DISTRICT DISTRICT-WIDE SYSTEM SUPPORT EMPLOYEE PARKING, BUT DISCOURAGE USE OF PRIME SPOTS, MINIMIZE THE SPILLOVER EFFECTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS, REINVEST PARKING REVENUE IN THE AREA, PROVIDE POLICY FLEXIBILITY TO HELP MANAGE 
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THE PERCEPTION IS PARKING IS AN EASY CAPACITY ISSUE AND STRUCTURAL DEFICIT THAT NO ADDITIONAL SUPPLY WILL COMPLETELY SOLVE. 
          RECOMMENDATION, ENFORCEMENT RECOMMENDATION, A PARKING MANAGER, A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT. 
          SO MANY OF THESE THINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR 20 AND 10 YEARS. 
          AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE SKEPTICISM AND THE CONCERN FROM OUR RESIDENTS AND FROM OUR BUSINESSES AND FROM OUR VISITORS, RIGHT, THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT NOT MAKING, YOU KNOW, THE BIG BOLD MOVES AND TRYING TO GET THE, GET TO THE REAL ANSWERS TO THE QUESTION. 
          NOW, I JUST ALSO WANNA ADD FOR MY RESEARCH, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE FOR SOMEBODY SMARTER THAN ME TO SORT OUT, BUT IF I LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF PARKING AVAILABILITY, 2005, WE SAID WE HAD 1,435 SPOTS THAT'S PUBLIC AND PRIVATE IN TOTAL, WHICH 272 PUBLIC SPOTS, 200 IN 2012, THEY DIDN'T DO THE TOTAL ESTIMATE, BUT THEY DID. 
          PUBLIC, UH, OWNED WENT UP FROM 2 72 TO FOUR 15 IN 2019, THE TOTAL AMOUNT NOW IS UP TO 2144 UP FROM 1435. 
          AND THE PUBLICLY OWNED NUMBER IS 6 761. 
          AND IN THIS CURRENT STUDY IN FRONT OF US, WE GOT 27 61 SPOTS, 978 PUBLIC. 
          SO YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE MADE SOME PROGRESS  IN SUPPLYING PARKING THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE TIME. 
          AND, AND I, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO SORT OF COME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND CATEGORIZE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HOW THOSE STUDIES WERE DONE. 
          BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY, UH, EDUCATIONAL FOR ME TO SEE THINGS THAT HAVE MOVED, UH, AND THINGS THAT HAVEN'T MOVED. 
          AND THE GARAGE AS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVEN'T MOVED. 
          AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT ARE THINGS THAT HAVEN'T MOVED AND THEY HAVE TO MOVE TOGETHER. 
          I AM MUCH LIKE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF US MOVING FORWARD AND GETTING THE NUMBER. 
          I'M SCARED TO DEATH OF IT. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT A 20% INCREASE JUST THE OTHER NIGHT FROM OUR ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE. 
          I'M AFRAID THAT YOUR 16% IS GONNA BE A BIGGER NUMBER THAN THAT YET. 
          UM, UH, AND FOR ME TO GET TO YES, ON THE VOTE ON THE CONTRACT WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SEE SOMETHING WHERE THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO SAY WE SHOULD DO THESE THINGS AT SOME POINT WITHOUT ALL THE DETAILS. 
          SURE. 
          BUT THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO COMMIT TO SOLVING MORE THAN JUST THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          IT HAS TO LOOK AT THE SYSTEM COMPREHENSIVELY AND GIVE US CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA CHERRY PICK SOMETHING AND THE RESIDENTS WON'T SEE JUST A PARKING GARAGE IN THE UPTOWN AREA TO THE LIST OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT. 
          I THINK ACTUALLY KAREN MENTIONED THIS, I AM A FAN OF NOT FULLY USING THE, UH, WELL, LET ME BACK UP AND SAY DYNAMIC PRICING OF THE STREET PARKING ON MAIN STREET, WHICH MEANS NOT JUST A SCHEDULED RATE CHANGES BASED ON TIME OF DAY, BUT IT'S SEASONALITY TOO. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY BASED ON THE DEMAND. 
          DYNAMIC PRICING MEANS YOU PRICE THE METERS TO TRY AND KEEP ONE OR TWO SPOTS FREE ON THE BLOCK AT ANY GIVEN TIME. 
          AND WHENEVER YOU PULL IN, MAN, THAT PRICE COULD BE DIFFERENT, RIGHT? AND THERE'S APPS THAT PEOPLE CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PRICE IS GONNA BE TO PARK ON THE STREET, BUT IT'S VISITOR FRIENDLY BECAUSE IT ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SPOT SOMEONE CAN PULL IN AND THERE'S PEOPLE THAT'LL PULL IN AND PAY THE DARN THING. 
          AND IN THE OFF SEASON, THE PRICES DROP. 
          SO IT'S, IT, IT'S RIGHT, THAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO BETWEEN THE ON STREET PAID PARKING REVENUE THAT WE'LL COLLECT FROM PAID PARKING IN THE GARAGE, I THINK WHERE I WAS GOING SAYING BEFORE THAT IT SHOULDN'T ONLY BE FOCUSED ON DEBT SERVICE, BUT WE NEED TO RESERVE SOME OF THAT MONEY TO SPEND LOCALLY FOR WALKABILITY, FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE UPTOWN AREA. 
          THE BURDEN IS CARRIED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE UP THERE PRIMARILY, AND THEY SHOULD ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE REVENUE THAT'S COLLECTED 
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IN THE AREA TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS OF URBAN DESIGN CHANGES MOVING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          UH, ALSO JUST LOOKING AT MY LIST TO SEE IF I ALSO HAD ANYTHING DIFFERENT. 
          NO, I, YOU KNOW, I I'M ALSO VERY MUCH A FAN OF MOVING, LOOKING AT THESE PARKING APPS AND WHAT THEY CAN DO, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PERFECT. 
          AND SOMEDAY IT'LL BE RIGHT IN GOOGLE MAPS AND APPLE MAPS AND WAYS, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PAY FOR FUTURE PARKING AND RESERVE THAT, WHATEVER IT'S GONNA BE. 
          IT'LL BE BETTER THAN TODAY. 
          AND I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO MORE EFFICIENTLY USE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WE'LL HAVE. 
          ONE LITTLE NOTE THAT I I WILL SAY ABOUT HOW COMPLICATED THIS STUFF IS, IS WE SEEM TO BE FANS OF PAYING FOR PARKING NOW MORE, YOU KNOW, IN THE GARAGE AND ON THE STREET. 
          THAT IS GONNA BE A DISINCENTIVE FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE LOTS THAT EXIST. 
          I THINK THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE LOTS, IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THEIR CONTRACT, THEY'RE GONNA PUT GATES IN AND START CHARGING FOR THEIR OWN PARKING. 
          WE HEAR THAT PINON POINT IS MAYBE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          WE KNOW THAT SEDIA HAS ALREADY CHARGING $10 PER DAY FOR A FULL DAY. 
          AND THE OTHER WEEKEND THERE WAS NOT AN EMPTY SPOT IN THEIR LOT. 
          NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS AN EVENT OR THEY WERE ACTUALLY COLLECTING MONEY, BUT TIMES ARE GONNA CHANGE. 
          THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE, I THINK, RAPIDLY AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REACT TO THAT. 
          YES. 
          AND SO, BUT I'M STILL A FAN  OF MOVING THAT DIRECTION. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST REITERATE AGAIN THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE. 
          KAREN. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT'S RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOU. 
          BUT WHEN THAT CONTRACT COMES IN TO SPEND, TO COMMIT THE BIG MONEY FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO FEEL THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS GIVEN DIRECTION AND THE CITY IS ACTUALLY COMMITTED TO DELIVERING THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU PETE. 
          KATHY, I HAVE REALLY BAD HANDWRITING, SO I'M GONNA STRUGGLE THROUGH TRYING TO READ WHAT I WROTE. 
          A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN TOUCHED ON, BUT I'D LIKE TO THINK I HAVE A FRESH APPROACH HERE. 
          UM, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST CONFLICTING ISSUES FOR ME IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL AND PRECEDING MY TIME ON COUNCIL AS A CANDIDATE, AND EVEN ON PNZ WHEN THINGS FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT, UM, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          SO THIS HAS BEEN KICKING AROUND FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. 
          UH, IN ALL THAT TIME, THE ONLY CONSENSUS THAT THERE HAS BEEN FROM PEOPLE COMING DOWN ON MULTIFACETED SIDES OF THIS IS THAT THERE'S A PARKING ISSUE THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED THAT'S UNIVERSAL AND THERE'S AGREEMENT ON THAT. 
          WHO WANTS TO, LIKE A PARKING GARAGE? WHO WANTS TO WANT A PARKING GARAGE? YOU WANNA OPPOSE A PARKING GARAGE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S BIG. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, MILLION DIFFERENT THINGS YOU WOULD WANNA DO WITH SPACES, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY TO IDENTIFY THE NEEDS, UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS, AND TRY TO FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS. 
          I REALLY WANNA THANK THIS CONSULTANTS, THE STAFF. 
          UM, I REALLY WANNA THANK THE PUBLIC FOR THE, WHAT THEY'VE BROUGHT INTO THIS. 
          THIS WAS COMPELLING DATA THAT WAS GIVEN AS WELL AS COMPELLING LOGIC THAT WAS OFFERED HERE TONIGHT. 
          I SEE VALUE IN, I, I JUST WANNA SEPARATE OUT THE, THE PARKING GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY. 
          AS THE VICE MAYOR MENTIONED, WE HAVE ALREADY REQUESTED, UM, THAT IT GO ON THE DISCUSSION FOR, UM, FOR THE BUDGET TALKS THAT START IN JUST A FEW, VERY FEW WEEKS NOW. 
          UH, I SEE THAT TECHNOLOGY AS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE GARAGE AND COMPLI, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HELPED IF THE GARAGE DOESN'T EVER HAPPEN. 
          BUT I SEE IT AS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE GARAGE. 
          ABOUT TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, UH, WHEN I WAS IN GERMANY, I STAYED IN A HOTEL THAT UTILIZED FOR ITS PARKING. 
          IT DID NOT HAVE ITS OWN PARKING. 
          IT UTILIZED A PUBLIC MUNICIPAL LOT. 
          IT HAD AN APP THAT I DOWNLOADED ON MY PHONE THAT AS A HOTEL GUEST DIRECTED ME WHEN I WAS ENTERING THE GARAGE. 
          MY PLATE WAS, THE RENTAL CAR WAS RED IMMEDIATELY AND I WAS DIRECTED TO SPOTS IN THAT PUBLIC PARKING. 
          THIS TECHNOLOGY EXISTS, I'M SURE WE HAD MULTIPLE ISSUES WITH IT IN THE PAST. 
          IT IS BETTER. 
          IT DESERVES TO BE REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED. 
          SO, UM, AND I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING ANY ONE PARTICULAR COMPANY NAME OR 
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BRAND, BUT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IT, UM, BECAUSE IT IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE, UH, ABOUT THE GARAGE AS A STRUCTURE. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I WANNA MAKE. 
          WHEN I FIRST JOINED COUNCIL THREE YEARS AGO, WE, THE, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WAS WE TALKED ABOUT THE GARAGE AND RETROFITTING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. 
          BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS. 
          IS IT 20 YEARS FROM NOW? IS IT 50 YEARS FROM NOW? I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT AT SOME POINT THIS WILL REVERSE AND PARKING DEMANDS WILL GO DOWN AS, AS NOT JUST IN SEDONA. 
          SHUTTLES ARE USED AND TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND PEOPLE HAVE SHARED DRIVING AND DIFFERENT APPS. 
          WHAT WILL THE FUTURE OF THAT BE? AND AT THAT TIME, AND WE TOUCHED ON THIS AND, AND ANDY UH, ADDRESSED IT FROM QUESTIONS FROM THE DAAS, THIS NEEDS TO BE A FACILITY THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY REPURPOSED. 
          WE DID TAKE THE TIME AND DISCUSSION TO LOOK AT THAT FOR WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO I THINK THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES OF IT. 
          WE KNOW DOING NOTHING THERE AND LEAVING EVERYTHING UNDISTURBED IS ALWAYS A BETTER OPTION. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          IT'S NOT REALISTIC BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT A GARAGE THAT GOES THERE, SOMETHING AT SOME POINT IS GOING TO GO THERE. 
          THIS CITY AND THIS COUNCIL, PAST COUNCIL. 
          AND I BELIEVE FUTURE COUNCILS WILL HAVE A COMMITMENT TO BEING THE BEST STEWARDS OF WHAT DOES GO ON THERE. 
          SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT LAND AND DEVELOPMENT OF THAT LAND IS BETTER IN THE HANDS OF THE CITY BUILDING A GARAGE. 
          IT'LL BE THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE BECAUSE OF THE STEWARDSHIP THAT THE CITY STAFF, SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT MANAGE MANAGER'S OFFICE WILL PROVIDE. 
          UM, I AM TRYING TO NOT RE REVIEW THE PAUSES ARE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA REPEAT WHAT'S BEEN SAID, SO BEAR WITH ME THERE. 
          UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE AND THE EVACUATION. 
          'CAUSE I HAVE BEEN A CHAMPION ON THAT ISSUE. 
          AND MYSELF AND VICE MAYOR PLU REALLY KIND OF FORCED US ONTO THE LAPSE OF THE FORMER COUNCIL. 
          AND I'M PROUD OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, THAT THAT WAS UNDERTAKEN AND I THINK IT WAS A A, A GREAT ENDEAVOR. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT'S DONE, I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER DONE BECAUSE OF WHERE WE LIVE AND, AND CLIMATE CHANGE AND ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS THAT CONTINUE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A CONSTANTLY EVOLVING PROCESS. 
          BUT I DO THINK THAT I WAS COMPELLED TONIGHT, KEEPING THAT IN MIND, WHICH IS VERY DEAR TO MY HEART. 
          I'M CONVINCED FROM THE DATA, AND THANK YOU ANDREW AND JEREMIAH AND ANDY, THAT WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO NOT EVACUATE FROM DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND HAVING THE CONSOLIDATED AREA FOR PARKING. 
          AND I ALSO THINK THAT HAVING IT IN A STRUCTURE AS OPPOSED TO BEING ONE OR TWO CLOSE BY OPEN AIR LOTS, I'M CONVINCED NOW THAT I THINK THAT THAT'S A BETTER MODEL AS WELL. 
          I LIVE THROUGH NINE 11 IN NEW YORK AND WE NEEDED SPACES FOR TRIAGE THAT UNFORTUNATELY WAS NEVER NEEDED TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE LACK OF SURVIVORS SPACES THOUGH WERE COMMANDEERED, WERE NECESSARY, WERE USED WELL FOR ALL OF THE EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT CAME INTO THAT CITY TO SERVE US. 
          WE NEEDED STRUCTURES WHERE THEY WERE AVAILABLE TO WHERE THE PROBLEMS WERE. 
          I'M, I'M CONVINCED THAT THIS GARAGE CAN HAVE A PLACE IN HELPING US IN EVACUATION OR EMERGENCIES GOING FORWARD. 
          I'M VERY MUCH A FAN AND WANNA HAVE A CONTINUING CONVERSATION ABOUT INCREASING OR IMPROVING WHAT CAN BE THERE IN TERMS OF A SUBSTATION FOR READINESS GOING FORWARD. 
          BUT THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER TIME. 
          UH, I ALSO BELIEVE THE GARAGE PROVIDES A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO TIE IN WITH TRANSIT. 
          AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE COMING TOGETHER AS MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE HAVE STATED, I THINK YOU CAN'T HAVE IT AT DISPERSE LOTS. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ON PUBLIC STREETS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF ROOM LIKE YOU DO IN MAJOR CITIES TO MULTIPLE BUS STOPS. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE COME AND LEAVE THEIR VEHICLES OR KNOW 
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TO GO TO, TO ACCESS TRANSIT. 
          I, I, THE GARAGE PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TIE IN. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE NOW PUBLIC AMENITIES THAT CAN BE PART OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL IN TERMS OF, IT'S SOMEPLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE CONCRETE WILL ADD IN TERMS OF, UH, HEAT ABSORPTION AND RADIATING IT BACK OUT. 
          BUT THE ASPHALT DOES THAT ON LOTS. 
          I THINK WHAT THE, THIS DOES, IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT TO ME AS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING VERSUS SPRAWL DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE LOTS, YOU KNOW, ON LARGER ACRE PLOTS, RIGHT? THE MORE YOU CONDENSE IT, THE MORE EN ENVIRONMENTAL GAINS I THINK ARE POSSIBLE. 
          I THINK YOU COULD PROVIDE SHADE. 
          I THINK CARS COULD BE KEPT IN A PLACE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          INSTEAD OF THE HEAT COMING DOWN. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE WATER STATIONS PROVIDED RESTROOMS PROVIDED. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT A VIEW SHED, EVEN ON THE TOP, THERE COULD BE PLACES. 
          THERE ARE THINGS THAT THIS CAN DO TO MINIMIZE ITS NEGATIVE IMPACT BY MITIGATING THOSE ISSUES, BY PROVIDING AMENITIES AND THINGS THAT HELP US MEET OUR GOALS. 
          I THINK THAT THE GARAGE WILL BE A BETTER UTILIZATION OF PARKING THAN WHAT EXISTS NOW. 
          I DO THINK THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT, BUT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE STREETS UP THERE. 
          AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT A PERMITTED PARKING FOR RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES ON THE STREETS, BECAUSE YOU SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO NOT BE ABLE TO PARK CLOSE TO YOUR HOME, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER TOURISM PARKING THAT'S GOING ON THERE. 
          AND WE NEED TO REDUCE DOWN THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S GOING ON THERE BECAUSE IT IS THERE. 
          IT, IT'S A LOG JAM. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD IN GETTING THE PRICING. 
          I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE POINT THAT WAS RAISED UP HERE AS WELL, THOUGH THAT USER FEES ARE VITAL TO THIS, IN MY OPINION, UH, TO, TO FINANCING IT, PAYING FOR THE FINANCING OF IT. 
          I DO THINK THOUGH, THAT THERE IS A POINT THAT IF A PRICE TAG COMES BACK, IT WAS, IT WAS SET UP HERE THAT WE'RE AT A DECISION POINT. 
          WE ARE AT A DECISION POINT. 
          BUT TO ME, IT'S NOT THE END DECISION POINT. 
          BECAUSE IF A PRICE TAG CAME BACK, FOR ANYBODY WHO SAYS THIS, THIS IS THE FINAL GET GO, A NUMBER'S GONNA COME BACK. 
          THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT CONTEXTUALLY. 
          I MEAN, THAT DOES NOT GO AWAY. 
          THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A FINAL, BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT, THAT DECISION POINT. 
          SO, UM, AND AGAIN, ANY FUTURE COUNCIL THAT'S LOOKING AT THIS, WHEN WE COME UP WITH PRICING AND LOOKING AT FUNDING OPTIONS DOWN THE LINE, THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING THAT DECISION CONTEXTUALLY AS WILL WE. 
          AND WE NEED THIS INFORMATION TO BE CONTEXTUAL. 
          SO FOR THAT, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD IN DESIGN SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE IT'S THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD IN OBTAINING THE PRICING. 
          AND I THINK THAT SUMS UP MY COMMENTS. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'M GONNA BE REAL, REAL SHORT 'CAUSE I'M LOSING MY, MY VOICE AGAIN. 
          UH, BUT I, I AGREE WITH ALL THE GREAT COMMENTS HERE, UH, AND ALL THE REASONS. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THE PARKING GARAGE, IT'S EVERYTHING TOGETHER. 
          UH, BUT I REALLY WANNA START BY THANKING, THANKING JEREMIAH AND ANDREW, OUR STAFF. 
          IT'S AMAZING. 
          THIS PRESENTATION WAS FABULOUS. 
          UH, BUT ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED WAS HELPFUL BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE ELECTRONIC IDEA IS GOOD, BUT I BELIEVE STAFF WAS LOOKING AT IT, UH, AS WELL. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S ONE COMPONENT TO ADD TO THE, TO SOLVE THE, THE PROBLEM. 
          UM, I REALLY WANNA THANK THE MERCHANTS WHO CAME OUT, EVEN THOUGH MOST OF THEM ARE NOT HERE, OR JESSE, THANK YOU, THANKFULLY, AND MIKE, A FEW OTHERS ARE HERE, BUT THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME WE WERE ABLE TO GET SO MANY, UH, MERCHANTS OUT HERE TO SHARE THEIR VOICE. 
          WE'VE HEARD RESIDENTS LOUD AND CLEAR. 
          AND THIS, WE'VE HAD, I FORGET, 40 SOME ODD CARDS. 
          MOST OF THEM WERE FROM BUSINESS OWNERS. 
          SO THAT'S GREAT. 
          I THINK THAT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          UH, IT'S NO SECRET I WAS SUPPORTING THE GARAGE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I SUPPORTED IT LAST TIME AND I'M AGAIN, SUPPORTING IT MOVING FORWARD TILL WE SEE THE PRICE TAG, OF COURSE. 
          BUT I'M SUPPORTING MOVING FORWARD. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, LIKE TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S NOT REALISTIC TO THINK OR TO BELIEVE THAT ALL THESE PROJECTS, EVEN WORKING TOGETHER WILL SOLVE PARKING. 
          WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE SOMETHING. 
          YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE SOMEONE PARKING IN SOME ERR PLACE WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T PARK. 
          WE 
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CAN'T SOLVE TRAFFIC. 
          I I THINK OUR STAFF DOES AN AMAZING JOB IN MITIGATING THE, THE TRAFFIC AND DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE. 
          SO I'M REALISTIC TO SAY WE'RE NOT SOLVING ANYTHING. 
          WE'RE GONNA MITIGATE IT BY DOING ALL THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER. 
          I THINK IT WILL MAKE A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW. 
          I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIDE STREETS. 
          I HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE WHO DROVE DOWN. 
          YEAH, WILSON VANDEEN, OF COURSE, ALL OF THEM. 
          LOOK WHAT WE HAVE IN BACK OR BEYOND ROAD. 
          IT'S VERY SIMILAR EXCEPT IT'S EVEN, IT'S NOT AS BAD ON BACK OF BEYOND ROAD. 
          THESE STREETS ARE REALLY BAD. 
          SO, UH, I I I'M SO GLAD THAT EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THE IDEA OF DOING SOMETHING THERE AS WELL, INCORPORATING IT ALL TOGETHER. 
          UM, I'M DONE. 
          UH, BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID. 
          WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING TOGETHER. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT IT, THE PRICING OR DOING THESE WILL AFFECT MY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PRICING. 
          THE PRICING WILL DECIDE IF I MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRICING, BUT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON. 
          I AGREE WITH, WITH PETE, WE NEED TO BE ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH MAKING DECISIONS. 
          WE HAVE TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS WE CAN MAKE SOME GREAT DECISIONS. 
          UH, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE GOING IN THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          I, I FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, UH, KAREN, YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, DIRECTION. 
          I HAVE MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INPUT AND THEN I JUST WANNA SUMMARIZE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND THE THINGS THAT HAVE AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE ENDORSING THEM, BUT I WANNA CLARIFY THAT. 
          UM, BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, I JUST, I, I DID NOT WANT TO LEAVE SOME OF WHAT WAS SAID HANGING. 
          UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY THE CITY RELATIVE TO PARKING MANAGEMENT IN UPTOWN, UM, THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF OH FIVE 2012. 
          LOTS OF THEM. 
          AND WITH NO DEDICATED STAFF RESOURCES AT ALL, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WOULD NEED THAT WE ENTERED INTO LEASES WITH MANY PRIVATE LOTS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE INVENTORY OF PARKING SUPPLY THAT WE DO. 
          TRUE, TRUE CHARGING FEES FOR THE MOST PREMIUM SPOTS, THE METERS ON MAIN STREET. 
          AND THAT WAS NO SMALL UNDERTAKING TO DO THAT BRAND NEW PARKING WAY, FINDING FOR ALL OF THE PUBLIC LOTS IN OUR INVENTORY, BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, THAT ANDY DESCRIBED WI, UM, TO CONNECT OUR MUNICIPAL LOT, WHICH PRIOR TO A GARAGE AND, AND CURRENTLY THAT IS OUR MOST CONCENTRATED, UM, PARKING AREA, BUILDING SIDEWALK, THEN BUILDING AN ELEVATED PLATFORM TRUE AND AN ELEVATOR DOWN TO MAIN STREET TO MAKE THAT NORTHERN PARKING CONDUCIVE TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND USABLE. 
          UM, WE HIRED CSAS TO ENFORCE ON ALL THE NEW PARKING CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, NOT JUST WITH THE MAIN STREET PAID PARKING, BUT THE IMPOSITION OF THOSE TIME LIMITS STRATEGICALLY IN THOSE LOTS TO, TO PUSH PEOPLE INTO THE FREE LOTS, UM, WHICH WAS THE UNDERUTILIZED, AND GET FOLKS NOT CIRCULATING, NOT WAITING AS MUCH FOR THE PRIME SPOT. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST THE THINGS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHILE YOU WERE ALL TALKING, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT. 
          SO IS EVERY SINGLE POTENTIAL PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGY EMPLOYED? NO. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I JUST NEED TO REMIND COUNSEL OF IS THAT WHEN WE DID THE TMP, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS TO SOLVE THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT WAS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST. 
          IT WAS ONE OF THOSE LOWER HANGING FRUITS. 
          IT'S NOT A $20 MILLION GARAGE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ACHIEVABLE. 
          AND THERE WAS A LACK OF CONSENSUS AMONGST THOSE RESIDENTS ABOUT HOW TO DO IT. 
          THAT'S TRUE TOO. 
          AND THAT PROJECT HAS REMAINED IN OUR CIP SINCE 2018. 
          IT JUST GETS PUSHED. 
          IT'S TRUE. 
          AND PUSHED AND PUSHED BECAUSE THERE'S NO APPETITE FOR CAUSING CONTROVERSY IN THIS, IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHICH I'M NOT DEBATING WHETHER THAT'S RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENCE. 
          IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THINGS DONE , BUT, BUT I JUST COULD NOT LET THAT HANG OUT THERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR NOT LETTING IT GO. 
          THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE THOUGHT OF OR THAT WE THINK IS NECESSARY OR THAT WE HAD AN INTEREST IN INVESTING RESOURCES TO GET DONE. 
          SO WITH THAT SAID, I BELIEVE WE HAD FOUR 
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ON COMMITTING TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. 
          AND THAT REALLY AT THIS POINT, I THINK MEANS ENGAGEMENT WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I DON'T ULTIMATELY KNOW. 
          I THINK NONE OF, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, WE COULDN'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THE ROLE MIGHT BE, BUT THAT WE, UH, ATTEMPT TO CREATE A, A PLAN THAT, UM, WE EMPLOY GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY IN ADVANCE OF THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          I WOULD NO, NO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, NO. 
          I FEEL THAT WE EXPLORE GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY DURING OUR UPCOMING BUDGET DISCUSSION. 
          SO, SO I BELIEVE THAT IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO IMPLEMENT THAT TECHNOLOGY ON MAIN STREET IN THE MUNICIPAL LAW AND GET THAT WORKING MORE EFFECTIVELY, UM, THAT'S WORTH DOING. 
          WE WILL ABSOLUTELY INCORPORATE IT INTO THE PARKING GARAGE PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I WOULDN'T WANT TO INVEST THAT'S RIGHT. 
          IN THE OTHER LOTS THAT WILL LIKELY GO AWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, GOOD POINT. 
          FINALIZE THE PLAN FOR CONSOLIDATION. 
          THAT WILL BE NUMEROUS WORK SESSIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND ENGAGEMENT AGAIN WITH THE, WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IN, IN TERMS OF WHERE DO WE LEAVE PARKING, WHERE DO WE TAKE IT, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF IT. 
          AND THEN TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, WHETHER THAT BE ONE WAY STREET WITH ONE SIDE PARKING, WHETHER THAT'S RESIDENTIAL PERMIT WORKING THROUGH, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PROJECT. 
          AND I THINK I HAD CONSENSUS ON, UM, OR AT LEAST FOUR THAT YOU, THE, THE PARKING GARAGE SHOULD BE USER FEE FUNDED. 
          WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN THE FINANCIAL FORECAST IN OUR CIP PLANNING. 
          YOU WANNA BREAK IN NOW? WELL, SHE'S DONE IS ARE YOU DONE? I DON'T THINK OH, SHE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          JESSICA, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT BEING SO SUFFICIENT, BUT I DON'T, MY SUPPORT OF IT IS NOT CONTINGENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I TOTALLY HEARD YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M LOOKING AT WHERE I GOT FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS MENTIONED THAT I DID NOT HAVE FOUR ON. 
          SO DO YOU THINK NO. 
          WE SHOULD SPEAK YES. 
          COUNSELOR DUNN, UH, TALKED ABOUT CREATING A DIRECTORY OF BUSINESS AS PART OF THIS. 
          THAT THAT WAS JUST SORT OF AN IDEA THAT WAS PUT OUT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD DO ONCE WE HAVE THAT CONSOLIDATED PARKING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY HELP UPTOWN MERCHANTS, UM, EVEN MORE EFFECTIVELY BY BUILD, TREATING IT LIKE A MALL AND WAYS SIGNING THEM ON HOW TO GET TO VARIOUS PLACES. 
          BUT SO THAT, THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS. 
          THAT WAS NOT AN IMMEDIATE THING WE WANTED TO DO. 
          KAREN, IS THAT, SO IT WAS JUST IDEA TO THROW OUT, IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR THE TOURISM? YOU KNOW, MACHINES MM-HMM. 
           ELECTRONIC KIOSKS. 
          IS' THAT EXACTLY WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE THING. 
          YOU'VE SAID IT'S NOT CONTINGENT UPON THAT. 
          SO WHAT'S THE NEXT ITEM? SO WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS? THINGS, UM, SO THERE WAS, I THINK I HAD THREE THAT TALKED ABOUT SENSE OF PLACE AND BEAUTIFICATION, WHETHER THAT'S THAT'S TIED TO ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO, TO REINVEST. 
          UM, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR FOUR ON ON THAT. 
          BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, IT'S PART OF UPTOWN PLANNING, IT'S PART OF THE, THE CIP PROGRAM. 
          IN FACT, WE HAD INITIALLY DEDICATED THE PAID PARKING REVENUE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS GET A GARAGE INTO, TO REINVEST INTO UPTOWN, WHICH FUNDED SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE SIDEWALK EXTENSION, WE DID BOLLARD LIGHTING, WE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AS AN ONGOING EFFORT. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THAT WILL STILL STAY ON THE RADAR AND THERE WILL BE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE BUDGET THAT, THAT COME FROM THAT IDEA. 
          THE PLAN WASN'T CONTINGENT IN, IN MY MIND. 
          I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE DONE, SO, BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S NOT URGENT OR A SPECIAL TOPIC OF IT BEING DONE LANDSCAPING. 
          IT'S GONNA BE DONE ANYWAY. 
          I WOULD THINK IT'S, WELL, I THINK IT'S A BIGGER URBAN DESIGN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND CFA, YOU MENTIONED THE C FFA, THAT'S ALL GONNA HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED RIGHT. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S CON CONTINGENT. 
          THAT DOESN'T THAT'S MY POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE, DO YOU EXISTING STAFF GONNA 
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DO ALL OF THIS? SO WE HAVE A TWO DAY RETREAT BUDGET PREPARATION DISCUSSION COMING UP. 
          THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT IF WE WANNA DO THESE THINGS YEAH. 
          WE NEED A STAFF TO DO IT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO WE CAN CONTINUE THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION DURING THE RETREAT. 
          YOU WILL SEE A DECISION PACKAGE, UM, FOR WHAT RESOURCES WOULD BE NEEDED TO DO THIS. 
          AND KAREN, I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO. 
          WITH ALL THE OTHER PACKAGES OR THE ITEMS ALREADY ON THE LIST, WILL SOMETHING HAVE TO COME OFF OR BE POSTPONED WHILE THIS MOVES FORWARD? SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, UH, TO TALK ABOUT CAPACITY. 
          I DO, LIKE I SAID, I THINK ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WILL BE NEEDED. 
          I THINK THE NICE THING IS THAT WE DO HAVE SOME TIME, RIGHT? SO IF THIS WAS, UH, A, A POSITION IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND THEY STARTED TO WORK ON THESE THINGS, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE MEANINGFUL PROGRESS ON THOSE ITEMS BY THE TIME THE GARAGE WOULD COME ONLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I DIDN'T MISS YOU. 
          YEAH, I WANTED TO ASK KAREN. 
          I, I, I HOPE THAT I KNOW YOUR ANSWER. 
          I THOUGHT I HEARD IT IN SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID BEFORE, BUT THE LDC POTENTIAL LDC CHANGES ACCELERATED TO FIT IN THIS WINDOW. 
          AND IT'S LIKE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE IN THE LDC THAT DISINCENTIVIZE, IT DISCOURAGES PEOPLE FROM REDEVELOPING THOSE EMPTY LOTS OR THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE. 
          IS, IS THAT, WHERE DOES THAT FIT ON YOUR, SO THE, THE LDC UPDATES IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY ON THE PRIORITY LIST IN THE WORK PROGRAM, BUT WE HAVE CONTINUED TO HAVE TO DEFER THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER LONG RANGE PLANNING EFFORTS AND CURRENT PLANNING EFFORTS IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT. 
          SO DURING THE RETREAT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, WELL, WHAT POTENTIALLY GOES TO ACCELERATE SOMETHING LIKE THE LDC UPDATE OR ARE THERE ADDITIONAL STAFF RESOURCES THAT ARE NEEDED IN ORDER TO TRY TO GET THAT DONE SOONER? THE THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS THAT THAT IS SUCH A COMPREHENSIVE UNDERTAKING. 
          IT WILL TAKE STAFF FROM SUSTAINABILITY AND HOUSING, LIKE NOT JUST COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS. 
          AND IF WE'RE MASTER PLANNING THE CULTURAL PARK AND WE'RE DOING A CITYWIDE COMPREHENSIVE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE LIST, HOW DO YOU DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS SIMULTANEOUSLY? BUT AGAIN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS MORE AT THE AND MY URBAN DESIGN SPIN . 
          AREN'T WE LUCKY THAT WE HAVE KIMLEY HORN SITTING OVER THERE? THERE YOU GO. 
          THEY LOOK LIKE THEY REALLY WOULD LIKE TO GO HOME TOO. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S ONLY, NO, IT'S ONLY MIDNIGHT. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          ALMOST NINE O'CLOCK. 
          KEEP GOING. 
          I HAVE MY SNACKS. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION? I BELIEVE SO. 
          IF YOU CONCUR WITH, WITH THAT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          NOW THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, TOUGH, UH, RIGHT, UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING, UH, IDEAS FOR FUTURE, UH, MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. I THINK YOU COVERED THAT ONE THING WITH KAREN FOR THE, SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? HEARING NOTHING, WE'RE ADJOURN.
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