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GOOD EVENING.[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THE CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.IT'S TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 21ST, 2023.
AND IF YOU WOULD ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY TO JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WOULD YOU TAKE A MOMENT TO, UM, POWER DOWN YOUR CELL PHONES TO TURN 'EM OFF? THANK YOU.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS UP HERE? OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UM, WE INTERVIEWED FOUR CANDIDATES FOR THE VACANCY ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEY, UH, WERE ALL GOOD QUALIFIED CANDIDATES.
AND, UH, JOE MARTIN WAS, UH, SELECTED AND CONFIRMED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND SHE JOINS US TONIGHT FOR HER FIRST MEETING.
COULD YOU TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES JUST TO SHARE YOUR BACKGROUND WITH THE COMMISSION? HI.
UM, MY BACKGROUND IS, UH, EMPLOYMENT WISE.
AND THEN COMING HERE IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH CIVIC WORK, I'VE SAT ON A, UM, UH, ON, SORRY, I WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
I'VE SAT ON PARKS AND RECS FOR THE CITY OF MESA, PART OF THE UNITED FOOD BANK, UH, FOR 13 YEARS.
APACHE JUNCTION CHAMBER OF KARMA AS BOARD MEMBER AND PRESIDENT.
SO I'VE DONE SUCH A LOT OF GREAT THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY AND I WANTED WHEN I MOVED UP HERE TO GET INVOLVED.
AND SO HERE I AM ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION.
LOWER YOUR, UH, MIC PIECE DOWN A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN CAPTURE YOU BETTER.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023, REGULAR MEETING.
AND ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023 SITE VISIT.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THESE MINUTES? IF NOT, THEY'RE APPROVED.
MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO AS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CON CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
IS THERE ANYONE TONIGHT THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR? I JUST WANNA DOUBLE CHECK ON THE CARDS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE THAT'S CHECKED THIS OFF.
[5. Update/discussion regarding the Community Plan Update.]
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.IS THAT YOU STEVE? THAT WOULD BE ME AGAIN.
UM, THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH MORE OF AN UPDATE FROM THE LAST TIME WE ARE STILL ON SCHEDULE TO RELEASE THE DRAFT TO THE PUBLIC AND TO OUR PARTNERS DECEMBER 1ST AND THE REST OF THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS BROUGHT FORTH TO YOU, UH, HAS NOT CHANGED.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL SET UP, UH, THE MEETINGS WITH, UH, P AND Z AND WITH COUNCIL ONCE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, HAS HAD THEIR PUBLIC MEETING AND APPROVAL.
AND AT THE LAST MEETING, WE LEARNED THAT WE WERE GONNA PAIR UP PNZ WITH STAFF.
SO WHAT MONTH IS THAT SCHEDULED FOR? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, PROBABLY THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY.
UM,
I DON'T HAVE THE DATES IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.
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THANK YOU.SO IT WOULD BE, UH, BETWEEN, UH, THE FIRST AND THE 16TH THAT WE'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND, UM, UH, PRESENT THE PLAN AND, AND HEAR OUT ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SO THAT THE WORK SESSIONS GO A LITTLE BIT MORE SMOOTHLY.
AND, UH, WHEN WILL YOU BE NOTIFYING US SO WE CAN GET THESE CALENDARED? UM, GOOD QUESTION.
UM, CYNTHIA DID NOT PROVIDE THAT FOR ME, BUT, UM, MY GUESS IS NEXT WEEK.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS UP HERE? OKAY.
[6.a. Discussion/possible direction regarding a request for approval of a Development Review (DEV) to allow for development of a 70-room hotel with amenities including a restaurant, spa, meeting space, and employee housing units (Oak Creek Heritage Lodge) at 65-195 Schnebly Hill Road; 20 Bear Wallow Lane . The property is within the Schnebly Community Focus Area, is ±11.58 acres, and is located west of Schnebly Hill Road between State Route 179 and Bear Wallow Lane. APN: 401-11-001C, -002F; 401-12-016C; 401-18-001A, -002C, -031B, D & G. The property is zoned OC (Oak Creek Heritage Area).]
ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING.ITEM, ITEM DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A 70 ROOM HOTEL WITH AMENITIES INCLUDING A RESTAURANT SPA MEETING SPACE AND EMPLOYEE HOUSING UNITS KNOWN AS OAK CREEK HERITAGE HOTEL LODGE AT, UM, 65 THROUGH 1 95 SCHLEY HILL ROAD, 20 BEAR WALLOW ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE SCHLEY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA IS PLUS OR MINUS 11.58 ACRES AND IS LOCATED WEST OF SCHLEY HILL ROAD BETWEEN STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND BARE WALLA LANE.
PARCEL NUMBERS 4 0 1 DASH ONE ONE DASH 0 0 1 C AND 0 0 2 F AND 4 0 1 DASH 12 DASH ONE 16 C AND 4 0 1 DASH 18 DASH 0 0 1 A AND 0 0 2 C AND 0 3 1 B, D AND G.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OAK CREEK, OAK CREEK HERITAGE AREA, CASE NUMBER PZ 23 DASH 0 0 4.
THE OWNER APPLICANT IS ART OLSSON DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTED BY TONY ROSE.
AND THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES ARE WATG ARCHITECTS, REPRESENTED BY GREG VIGAS AND SEFTON ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS WITH LUKE SEFTON.
SO I JUST, UH, WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN TO, UH, THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS A WORK SESSION AND IT'S NOT, UH, GENDERIZED FOR ANY ACTION TO BE TAKEN AND AT A WORK SESSION.
UM, IT'S THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR TO, UH, ALSO INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.
WE WILL DO IT THE SAME WAY WE WOULD IF WE WERE IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE, PRO CON WHATEVER, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THESE CARDS AND GIVE IT TO DONNA PUCKETT OVER HERE.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
YOU'LL BE LIMITED, UH, LIMITED TO JUST THREE MINUTES.
AND WE HAVE A SYSTEM UP HERE THAT REMINDS YOU WITH A DECLINING CLOCK NUMBER, HOW MANY SECONDS YOU HAVE LEFT.
SO, UM, THE PRESENTATION I UNDERSTAND BY THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS GOING TO BE 30 MINUTES.
IT WAS GONNA BE LONGER, BUT THEY PROMISED ME THEY'RE GONNA DO IT IN 30.
AND A NUMBER OF, UH, DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE, THEY'LL INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
UM, THEY ARE THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, CARRIE WILL PRESENT FIRST, THE DEVELOPER'S, UH, TEAM WILL FOLLOW, AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS.
THEN WE'LL CALL ON THE PUBLIC, UH, FOR ANY COMMENTS YOU WISH TO MAKE, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DIS UH, DISCUSSION.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION.
IN FACT, UM, IT COULD EVEN BE CONTINUED BECAUSE THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT AND THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION AND STAFF IS ENORMOUS.
AND, UM, AND THE PRESENTATION ITSELF WAS GIVEN TO US LAST NIGHT AT 7:00 PM THAT'S NOT AGAINST ANYBODY.
WE'RE DELIGHTED THAT WE GOT THAT IN ADVANCE.
UM, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU WITH THE TWO, ALMOST TWO HOUR SITE VISIT TODAY, NOT A LOT OF US HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT IN ITS ENTIRETY, BUT I MAY BE WRONG.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CARRIE.
YES, THANK YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I JUST HAVE, I'LL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, BUT FIRST, TRYING TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THE CHAIR JUST SAID.
DID WANT TO GO OVER WHAT THE PURPOSE OF A WORK SESSION IS.
UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THE COMMISSION DID ONE OF THESE, AND IT'S REALLY JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, REVIEW AGENCIES, STAFF, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH THE PROPOSAL.
LET THE APPLICANT KNOW WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT
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BE ASKING AS THIS PROJECT PROGRESSES.UM, THE APPLICANT IS STILL, UM, WORKING TO ADDRESS STAFF COMMENTS ON THIS, BUT AGAIN, PROVIDING, UM, THEM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR KINDA THE INITIAL THOUGHTS OF THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO THEM FINALIZING THEM, PLAN THEIR PLANS, ALLOWS THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE POTENTIALLY SUGGESTIONS OR DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, SOME SUGGESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC AS THEY, AS THEY DO THAT.
SO, UM, THIS ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO BECOME AWARE OF MAJOR ISSUES THAT THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS THEY FINALIZE THEIR PLANS.
AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, JUST, JUST TO EMPHASIZE, YEAH, THERE IS NO ACTION BEING TAKEN.
THIS IS NOT AN APPROVAL OR DENIAL, IT'S A CHANCE.
AGAIN, AS THE CHAIR SAID, THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S A VERY LARGE PROJECT AND GIVING THIS ALL TO YOU AND ASKING YOU TO MAKE A DECISION IN ONE NIGHT OR ONE WEEK, UM, IS, IS A LARGE UNDERTAKING.
SO BY DOING A WORK SESSION AND THEN COMING BACK AT A FUTURE DATE WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE KIND OF GIVING A COUPLE PASSES AT THIS AND, UM, HOPEFULLY IT RESULTS IN A BETTER END PRODUCT.
UM, SO AS YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE IS NO EVALUATION FOR COMPLIANCE WITH ANY OF THE, UM, CFA PLANS OR ANY OF THE CODES.
WE'VE PROVIDED OUR LAST ROUND OF COMMENTS TO YOU.
UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED UP TO THIS POINT.
I BELIEVE WE, UM, THE LAST ONES WERE RECEIVED THIS MORNING AND THOSE WERE DISTRIBUTED PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, WE CONTINUALLY TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON PROJECTS.
AND SO IF, YOU KNOW, THEY HEAR SOMETHING TONIGHT AND THEY WANT TO, UM, CONTINUE TO COMMENT, AND AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS NOT OVER TONIGHT, AND SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THERE'S, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE WEBSITE, UM, OR BY DROPPING OFF WRITTEN COMMENTS AT OUR OFFICE WHERE WE WOULD CONTINUE TO GATHER THEM AND PROVIDE THOSE TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
SO THIS IS JUST A ONE STEP IN A VERY LONG PROCESS.
UM, THE CHAIR PROVIDED THE SAME SUMMARY.
UM, THE CURRENT LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OUT THERE.
THERE'S SOME VACANT PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THE APPLICATION IS FOR 70 LODGING UNITS WITH ASSOCIATED AMENITIES, AND THAT'S ON JUST OVER 11 AND A HALF ACRES.
UM, SO THIS PROPERTY HISTORY, IT WAS, IT WAS MAYBE FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, IT WAS ZONED RSS 10, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS UP TO FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WELL, AS PART OF THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN, THE CITY IDENTIFIED VARIOUS COMMUNITY FOCUS AREAS OF AREAS THAT WERE IN NEED OF ADDITIONAL PLANNING.
AND THE SNUBBY CFA WAS ONE OF THOSE, AND THAT'S THE AREA ALONG SNUBBY HILL ROAD.
AND SO, UM, THE CITY INITIATED A PLANNING PROCESS FOR THAT TO DEVELOP ACFA PLAN.
AND THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2017.
AND THERE WERE SOME AMENDMENTS IN 2020 AS A RESULT OF THAT CFA PLAN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DONE WAS THAT THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED, AND THAT WAS A TOOL TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT CFA PLAN.
AND SO THAT WAS CREATED IN 2018.
AND THIS PROPERTY, ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG SCHLEY HILL ROAD WITHIN THE CFA, WERE REZONED TO THAT OC DISTRICT IN 2020.
UM, SO THIS PROPERTY, IF IT COMPLIES WITH THOSE RE THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OC DISTRICT IS NOT SUBJECT TO A REZONING APPLICATION.
AND SO THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM SOME OF THE OTHER LODGING PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN WHERE OFTENTIMES IN SEDONA LODGING REQUIRES A REZONE THIS PROJECT, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT OC ZONE AND THE SNUBBY CFA IF IT IS FOUND TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS, NO REZONE IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THE OC ZONE DOES PERMIT LODGING USES, AND IT PERMITS LODGING USES AT DOUBLE THE PREVIOUS RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
SO AS THESE PROPERTIES WERE ALL ZONED RSS 10 AT FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, THE LODGING DENSITY PERMITTED WOULD BE UP TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.
AGAIN, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CFA PLAN.
AND SO IT IS A SOMEWHAT OF A UNIQUE ZONING DISTRICT, UM, THAT TALKS A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE VISION OF THAT C OF THE SNUBBY CFA PLAN.
AND SO THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE ZONING DISTRICT.
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UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PLAN.AND SO, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THE, THE APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN, THEY CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES OF COURSE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, AND WHAT WE'D BE INTERESTED IN IS, DOES HOW DOES THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FEEL THIS PROJECT IS ADDRESSING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND IS THERE THINGS THAT AND BE DONE TO IMPROVE HOW THEY ARE ADDRESSING WHAT THE OC DISTRICT AND THE SCH NIBLEY CFA CALL FOR? UM, SO IT'S THE VICINITY MAP.
UM, I THINK YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE PROPERTIES HIGHLIGHTED IN HERE.
IT KIND OF CREATES A, AU SHAPE AROUND.
THIS IS THE, UM, RENT JUSTED ON RV PARK.
UM, YOU HAVE SIBLEY HILL ROAD HERE WITH THE SIBLEY ROUNDABOUT RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES HERE THAT ARE PART OF THIS PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE SOME STRUCTURES, SOME SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES HERE, UM, THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED AS PART OF THIS PLAN.
UM, AND SO, UH, KIND OF GOING OVER WHAT THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN SO FAR, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE FUTURE IS THAT THEY, UM, THE APPLICANT HAD, WE DID A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW BACK IN 2021 THROUGH 2022.
WE DID TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, UM, TO LOOK AT THEIR INITIAL IDEAS OF WHAT THEY WERE THINKING FOR THIS PROSPERITY.
UM, THEY HAVE TAKEN THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED FROM THOSE MEETINGS AND THEY SUBMITTED FOR A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, WE DID PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THAT PROPOSAL TO THE APPLICANT AND THEY RESUBMITTED IN SEPTEMBER, 2023.
WE PROVIDED THAT SECOND ROUND OF COMMENTS, UM, AND SCHEDULED THE WORK SESSION WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
SO THE PLANS YOU HAD IN YOUR PACKET THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU WERE THAT SECOND SUBMITTAL, ALONG WITH, WE PROVIDED OUR COMMENTS ON THOSE PLANS.
AGAIN, THEY HAVE NOT RESUBMITTED TO ADDRESS THOSE.
THEY'RE WAITING TILL AFTER THIS MEETING TO SEE WHAT ELSE THEY NEED TO BE AWARE OF FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, BUT MOVING FORWARD, THE APPLICANT WILL CONTINUE TO MODIFY THE PLANS, THEY WILL RESUBMIT AND WE WILL BE SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE FUTURE.
SO NONE OF THOSE DATES ARE SET YET.
IT'S KIND OF DEPENDENT ON, UM, TIMEFRAMES AND HOW QUICKLY SOME OF THESE ITEMS CAN BE TURNED AROUND.
UM, SO THE SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT WILL GET MUCH MORE INTO DETAIL ON THIS, BUT YOU HAVE SHUB HILL ROAD HERE.
SO NORTH IS KIND OF TO THE RIGHT HERE.
YOU HAVE A PARKING LOT AT THIS END.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING IN A VALET PARKING LOT AND THEN VARIOUS CLUSTERS OF BUILDINGS.
UM, THIS, THE SOUTH CLUSTER HERE HAS A SERVICE BUILDING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING ALONG WITH SOME MEETING FACILITIES AND, UM, LODGING UNITS ALONG THE CREEK.
THE CENTRAL CLUSTER HAS THEIR RESTAURANT LOBBY AND SPA BUILDINGS ALONG WITH A COUPLE LODGING UNITS.
AND THE OTHER TWO CLUSTERS ARE LODGING UNITS.
UM, THEY HAVE A MAIN ENTRANCE ON SHIBLEY HILL ROAD WITH A SECONDARY ENTRANCE DOWN, UM, FOR AT THE HOUSING UNIT, HOUSING AND BACK OF HOUSE AREA.
UM, AND LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WHAT THE SNUBBY CFA AND THE OC DISTRICTS SAY.
WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ARTICLE FIVE, ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE.
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SECTIONS IN ARTICLE FIVE THAT SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR IN THE OC DISTRICT.
AND THERE WAS A SUMMARY OF THAT IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN SIGNS AND THEN ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES, HOW PROJECTS ARE REVIEWED AND ALL THAT.
SO VERY SIMILAR TO A NORMAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROJECT, BUT THERE ARE, IN THIS OC DISTRICT, THERE ARE VARIOUS SPECIFIC SECTIONS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CODE THAT SAY WHAT DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, JUST TO, UM, EMPHASIZE THE VISION OF THE SCH SIBLEY, CFA WAS THAT THE CFA IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HEART OF SEDONA, A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AREA FOCUSED ON OAK CREEK AND SEDONAS HERITAGE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT IS A MIX OF USES THAT PROVIDES, UH, THAT PRESERVES THE OAK CREEK RIPARIAN CORRIDOR WITH NATURAL HILLSIDES, OPEN FIELDS, AND A VARIETY OF MODESTLY SCALED BUILDINGS, THUS SUSTAINING THE DISTINCT HISTORIC CONTEXT AND CHARACTER.
SO THAT'S THE OVERARCHING VISION OF THE PLAN.
AND THEN THE PLAN HAS DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND ENVIRONMENT, LAND USE, COMMUNITY, AND CIRCULATION OF HOW THAT PLAN AND THAT VISION COULD BE IMPLEMENTED.
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UM, THE OC DISTRICT, LIKE I SAID, WAS CREATED IN RESPO AS AN IMPLEMENTATION TOOL OF THE PLAN.THE PURPOSE OF THE OC DISTRICT IS THAT IT IS TO ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THE SNOBBY CFA IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CFA VISION FOR A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY MIXED USE AREA THAT PRESERVES THE OAK CREEK RIPARIAN CORRIDOR, NATURAL HILLSIDES AND OPEN FIELDS, THE VARIETY OF MODESTLY SCALED BUILDINGS THAT SUSTAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND CON OKAY, HISTORIC CONTEXT AND CHARACTER DISTINCTIVE TO THIS AREA.
SO AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT VISION STATEMENT IS REPEATED IN THE PURPOSE STATEMENT OF THE OC DISTRICT.
UM, A SUMMARY OF THE OUTSTANDING STAFF COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, ARE WE HAD SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON HEIGHTS AND HOW ALTERNATE STANDARDS ARE BEING APPLIED.
HE HAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A CREEK WALK IS BEING MET WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS REGARDING BUILDING PLACEMENT AND ORIENTATION BUILDING DESIGN AND MASSING ARTICULATION, COLORS AND MATERIALS.
AND THEN WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, OUR, I FORGOT TO ADD THIS, BUT OUR ENGINEERING, UM, HANUKAH IS HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT MOST OF HER OUTSTANDING COMMENTS WERE AROUND THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY AND MAYBE SOME OF THE, UM, RESULTS OF THAT.
AGAIN, THERE IS ONGOING PUBLIC INPUT.
THE APPLICANT HAS BEGUN THEIR PUBLIC OUTREACH.
THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PARTICIPATION REPORT DETAILING EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE DOCUMENTS, UM, HAVE BEEN ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED DURING THE REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE THOSE IN IF, YOU KNOW THERE'S COMMENT FORMS AND WAYS TO CONTACT US ON OUR WEBSITE.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING STAGE, WE WOULD BE NOTICING THAT ACCORDING TO ALL THOSE DISTANCING AND TIMEFRAME REQUIREMENTS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE READY TO PRESENT SOME MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THEIR PROJECT.
DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT? OKAY, SO YOU SHOULD JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE MOUSE AND CLICK THROUGH.
WE TRY NOT TO TOUCH THE COMPUTER BECAUSE IT'S TEMPERAMENTAL.
I AM THE FOUNDER OF RD OLSEN COMPANIES.
UH, AND WE ARE THE LAND OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE OUR TEAM HERE, OUR, UM, OUR ENTIRE PLANNING TEAM, UM, WHO ARE, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT NOW FOR, I BELIEVE IT'S THREE YEARS PLUS.
AND SO, UM, TONY AK TO MY LEFT IS OUR VP OF PLANNING AND DESIGN, UM, AND HE'S BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR MAYBE FOUR YEARS.
SO JUST A A LITTLE BIT OF A RECAP.
CAN WE GO TO THE, UM, SO OUR PROPOSED PROJECT IS, UH, 70 UNITS, AND OVER THE COURSE OF THE, OF THE THREE YEARS OR SO, WE STARTED AT 92 OR 94, WE'VE REDUCED THE LODGING COUNT.
UM, WE REDUCED OUR, THE SIZE OF THE RESTAURANT, BUILDING OUR MEETING ROOM, OUR SPA BUILDING, UM, AND MOVED BUILDINGS AROUND.
WE'VE HAD THREE COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETINGS THAT WERE, UM, THAT HELPED GUIDE THIS AS WELL AS THE TWO PLANNING HEARINGS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
SO, UM, THE WORKFORCE, WE DO HAVE FOUR WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY SILENT ON THE, UH, ZONING, BUT IT'S BEEN ENCOURAGED.
SO WE'VE INCLUDED SOME, UH, WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT VALET PARKING, UM, WHICH, UH, HELPS US TO BE EFFICIENT IN OUR PARKING.
UM, AGAIN, IN OUR THREE, UH, MEETINGS WITH OUR COMMUNITY, WE'RE HELD AT THE SITE, UM, WITH ALL OF THE PLANS AND, UM, OUR ARCHITE, OUR PLANNING, ENTIRE PLANNING TEAM WAS THERE.
WE WOULD, I MEAN, THEY WOULD GO THREE OR SOMETIMES FOUR HOURS, SO VERY COMPLETE.
UM, WE'VE, UH, I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
WE'VE, UM, AGAIN, IT'S HELPED US WHAT WE THINK
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REFINE THE PLAN THAT YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT.UM, BUT SOME OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE FIRST OF ALL STARTED OUT WITH PARKING IN THE FLOODWAY.
UM, WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFICIENT, UM, OUT OF SIGHT, BUT AT THE END IT WAS FELT BOTH AT PLANNING, HEARING, AND THE COMMUNITY THAT WE NOT HAVE PARKING IN THERE.
UM, THE MANAGING THE EVENT NOISE WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR, THE COMMUNITY NEXT TO US BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN IMPACTED FROM, UH, LEBERTS ACROSS, UH, THE CREEK.
SO WE MOVED OUR MEETING SPACE AND OUR RESTAURANT BUILDING AWAY AND ORIENTED IT AWAY FROM THERE.
UM, THAT SAID, WE ARE, UM, UH, OUR GUESTS EXPECT TO SLEEP AS WELL.
AND SO, UH, EVENTS ARE, ARE, ARE NOT RUNNING TO THE WEE HOURS IN THE MORNING.
APPARENTLY THEY'VE HAD PROBLEMS, UM, ACROSS THE WAY FROM, UH, OAK CREEK, FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, WE HAVE LOW LEVELS OF LIGHTING.
THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME BACK FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES, WHICH YOU WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT OUR, UM, WHAT OPTIONS WE FEEL ARE POTENTIAL FOR THE CREEK WALK, UH, FOR ACCESS ACROSS THE, UM, ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE OF OAK CREEK.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO TONY EK.
UM, AND TONY WILL TAKE IT FROM HERE AND PASS IT THROUGH TO OUR TEAM.
UH, TONY EK, UH, VICE PRESIDENT WITH THE APPLICANT AND OWNER.
FIRST, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK CARRIE FOR HER PERSISTENCE AND FOCUS.
IT ABSOLUTELY KEEPS US FOCUSED.
IT'S BEEN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN QUITE A COORDINATION EFFORT.
AND WITH THIS CONTINUED COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, UH, WE WILL RESULT IN SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
AND FIRST AND FOREMOST WOULD BE THE PRESERVATION OF OAK CREEK IN ITS NATURAL RIPARIAN ENVIRONMENT.
UH, ALSO TO NOTE WOULD BE PRESERVATION OF PUBLIC RELATED ITEMS OR THE CREATION OF A PUBLIC PATH ALONG SEDLEY HILL ROAD IN BARE WALLO.
IN ADDITION TO MAINTAINING, EXCUSE ME, PUBLIC VIEW SHEDS MO MORE, MOST SPECIFICALLY, THE, THE VIEW THAT OCCURS AS WE DRIVE NORTH ON SCH NIBLEY HILL ROAD, UH, TOWARDS WILSON AND STEAMBOAT ROCKS AN INCREDIBLE VIEW THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED AND UNOBSTRUCTED BY OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT LAYS LOW IN THE LAND.
AND WITH THOSE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS, I'D LIKE TO PASS IT TO OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM, GREG VIEGAS, WITH WATG.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THIS SLIDE.
MY NAME'S GREG VIEGAS WITH WATG ARCHITECTS.
WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE THIS SLIDE TO ORIENT, UH, AT THE SITE RELATIVE TO THE GREATER SEDONA AREA.
THIS SLIDE'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO INDICATE AND SHOW THAT THE COMMERCIAL ZONE IS DIRECTLY TO OUR SOUTH, ADJACENT ON OUR SOUTH BORDER OF THE PROPERTY.
IT WRAPS TO ROUND TO THE WEST AND EVEN ALL THE WAY UP TO THE NORTH, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE BLUE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE IS UP TO THE TOP AND TO THE EAST ON BOTH SIDES.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS YOU START TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN, THE TEAM SPECIFICALLY WAS LOCATING THE LARGER COMMUNITY BUILDINGS OF OUR PROPERTY, OF THE LODGE, THE RESTAURANT, THE MEETING SPACES AS FURTHER SOUTH AS POSSIBLE TO BE CLOSER TO COME INTO CONTEXT WITH THOSE, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONE.
AND THEN WE FILTERED THE RESIDENTIAL UP TO THE NORTH.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE ARE ESSENTIALLY CONTEXT PHOTOS OF OUR SURROUNDING AREAS, UM, STARTING WITH A LOWER RIGHT, WHICH IS OUR DIRECT NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH.
THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND, UH, THE HILLSIDE, UH, HOUSING IS THE NEXT ONE GOING LEFT FROM THE LOWER RIGHT AS YOU COME ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM THE MIDDLE TO THE LEFT, AND THEN ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP AND EVEN AROUND TO THE PUMP HOUSE, WHICH YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, ALL OF THOSE ARE IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE.
ALL ARE, UH, ONE IN ONE AND A HALF AND TWO STORY STRUCTURES.
AND, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE ONE IN TWO STORY STRUCTURES THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING ARE, ARE IN THAT CONTEXT TO THE UPPER RIGHT.
THERE ARE FOUR PHOTOS, UH, FROM THE UPPER CORNER, ONE TO THE LEFT AND THREE DOWN.
AND THOSE ARE ALL THE RESIDENCE PHOTOS, UH, JUST
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SPECIFIC RESIDENCES YOU SEE IDENTIFIED THERE TO OUR NORTH, WHICH IS TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PLAN.UM, AGAIN, TWO STORY RESIDENCES, SINGLE STORY RESIDENCES.
OKAY, SO WE, WE DID DROP THIS PLAN IN THERE, UH, TO TODAY.
THIS WAS IN OUR LOI RESPONSE TO THE SECOND.
UH, BUT WE DID ADD THIS FOR, SPECIFICALLY FOR TODAY.
UM, WHAT WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY WAS WHEN WE WERE ON SITE, WE HAD INDICATED WE HAVE 27 SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
15 OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ONE STORY AND REPRESENTED BY THE BLUE DOTS.
AND THOSE ARE MOSTLY LOCATED ALONG SCHLEY HILL DRIVE.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, GIVE THAT APPEARANCE FROM SNUBBY HILL DRIVE AND, AND REALLY FOCUS ON THAT.
THE TWO STORY RESIDENCES ARE PUSHED AS FAR WEST AS WE CAN ALONG THE CREEK.
THERE'S ABOUT A 20 TO 25 FOOT GRAY DIFFERENCE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE ON SNUBBY TO THOSE FINISHED FLOORS.
SO THE WHOLE INTENT OF THE TEAM WAS TO PUSH THOSE TWO STORY UNITS AS FAR AWAY FROM SNOBBY AS WE CAN DOWN THE GRADE AND, AND THEREFORE THE ROOFTOPS ARE LOST IN THE TREES.
UH, AND I'LL INTRODUCE ROB DRURY FROM WATG AS WELL.
WE'RE GONNA KIND OF TAG TEAM THE NEXT SLIDES.
SO I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE AESTHETIC FOR THE PROJECT.
IT'S REALLY ROOTED IN PRESERVING THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE AND PAYING HOMAGE TO THE CONTEXT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND WE WANTED TO DOWNPLAY THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS.
SO THIS SLIDE'S JUST TO DISCUSS A, A CAREFUL BALANCE BETWEEN OUR, OUR CLUSTERIZATION OF THE PROJECT AND ALSO INTEGRATING YOU, YOU KNOW, CONTEXTUAL EXAMPLES, SPECIFICALLY THE JORDAN SALES BUILDING, THE LEY HOMESTEAD, AND THE HEART PUMP HOUSE AS DIFFERENT AESTHETICS AND VERNACULARS FOR EACH CLUSTER.
AND WE HAVE SOME VIEWS TO SHOW, UH, SPECIFICALLY ALONG SCH SNUBBY.
AND THIS IS POINTING OUT THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY SENSITIVE TO THE VISIBILITY OF THE PROJECT AND SPECIFIC VIEW SHEDS FROM SCHLEY.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE SMALL, UH, SPA BUILDING IN THE, ON THE LEFT, AND THEN THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS OF THE NORTH CLUSTER.
SO YOU SEE TWO OUT OF THE SIX CABINS THAT WILL BE THE GUEST ROOMS ON THE RIGHT.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S TWO, THE, THE GABLE ON THE TOP IS ACTUALLY, UH, RECESSED BEHIND THE ONE STORY CABIN.
AND THEN THIS IS A VIEW DRIVING NORTH ALONG SCHLEY AT THE NORTH CLUSTER.
SO THERE IS A SMALL POINT WHERE YOU WILL SEE THE, THE SMALLER, UH, ONE STORY CABIN GUEST ROOMS. AND WE, WE WERE TRYING TO JUST SHOW IS THAT THE VIEW OF, OF WILSON MOUNTAIN IS, IS OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT OBSTRUCTED AT ALL FROM, FROM THIS VIEW.
AND THEN THIS IS DRIVING SOUTH ALONG SCHS NIBLEY AT THE BARE WALLOW INTERSECTION.
AND WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, STUDY AND VERIFY THAT, THAT THE PARKING LOT WAS CLEARLY BUFFERED FROM VIEW AND THAT THE VIEW SHEDS WERE, WERE STILL VERY PRESENT.
AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW INTERNAL SLIDES.
THIS IS THE ENTRANCE ARRIVAL BUILDING FROM THE CENTRAL CLUSTER.
AND THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND AESTHETIC WAS BASED OFF OF A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS AND, AND READING UP ON THE, THE LDC AND ALL OF THE GUIDELINES WE, WE USED.
AND WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR A STRONG USE OF, OF LOCALLY SOURCED MATERIALS, AND WE WANT TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE EMBODIED ENERGY OF THESE MATERIALS AS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND REDUCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
BUT THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, USE USE OF HEAVY TIMBER IN A LOT OF THE, THE SEDONA RED STONE AND TRYING TO GROUND THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN THE LANDSCAPE AND BLEND IT WITH THE NATURAL PALETTE OF THE LANDSCAPE.
AND THIS IS THE VIEW GOING OVER THE WASH THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S, IT'S THE ONLY INTENTIONAL LOCATION WHERE WE HAVE LAWNS.
SO WE'RE GONNA, AND THE LAWN SPACE IS ONLY, IS LESS THAN 2% OF THE GROUND COVER THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT COLOR PALETTE AND MATERIALITY.
SO WE, WE WANTED TO, UH, INTRODUCE SOME OF THE HEART PUMP HOUSE AESTHETIC OF, OF A GRAYER RIVER ROCK, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING THE LRV STANDARDS ON THE, ON THE BOARD.
AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING NORTH AT THE NORTH CLUSTER AND IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ROOTED IN RECLAIMED WOOD AND WARMER DARKER COLORS, UH, FRONT APPROACH, UH, FRONT AND BACK PORCHES TO INTEGRATE
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THESE SMALLER CABINS TO THE SITE AND CREATE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT USERS.YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIP AS YOU PASS, PASS BY, YOU CAN WAVE TO THE GUEST GUEST UNITS, UM, AND FIREPLACES WRAPPED IN STONE, BUT REALLY TRYING TO CONNECT IT TO A RESIDENTIAL FEEL IN A CABIN LIKE SETTING AS THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WE JUST WANTED TO, UH, PUT UP BECAUSE AS CARRIE MENTIONED, WE HAVE FULL STAFF COMMENTS BACK ON OUR MAIN PACKAGE, AND WE, UH, WANTED TO JUST SHOW YOU THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT ACTUALLY EVERY COMMENT AND THROUGH MAKING SOME MINOR TWEAKS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON ALL OUR UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANES ON THE LEFT, UM, WE HAD A FEW THAT WERE OVER, UH, SOME OF THE TARGETED SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WE KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW THERE IN THE, UH, 30% TRANSPARENCIES.
THERE ARE GUIDES THAT, UH, FOR OUR BUILDINGS THAT FACE SNIVELY THAT REQUIRE THE 30% GLAZING, WE WERE JUST SHY IN A COUPLE, WE'RE FIXING THOSE.
UH, ALL THE ROOF HEIGHTS, THERE ARE SEVERAL ROOF HEIGHTS, AND WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THOSE, UH, ROOF INCREASES THROUGH THE SCALE DOWN VERSIONS OF THE WALL PLANES, ET CETERA.
AND WE'RE MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.
THEY'RE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO BRING 'EM IN COMPLIANCE.
AND EVEN WE HAD ONE PLAN OUTTA WHACK THERE WITH, UH, THE 10% SECOND LEVELS BEING 10% SMALLER THAN THE FIRST.
SO THE POINT WE WANTED TO MAKE IS WE'RE WELL AWARE OF, UH, THE CHAPTER FIVE, UH, SECTION FIVE AND THROUGH CARRIE'S HELP, UH, WE'VE, WE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, THESE CHANGES THAT MM-HMM,
IS, IS THAT TRUE? THE, THESE ARE IN RESPONSE TO STAFF'S COMMENTS ON YOUR INITIAL, UM, SUBMITTAL, TONY, WAS THAT ISSUED? I DON'T THINK SO.
OR HAS STAFF SEEN THESE NO, UH, CHANGES BEFORE YESTERDAY? NO, THESE ARE, THESE WERE IN RESEARCH ORIGINALLY SHOWN IN OUR SLIDE PRESENTATION SUBMITTAL.
SO IT, IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF OUR CONTINUED EFFORTS TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS.
I MUST NOT HAVE PHRASED THE QUESTION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO WHAT, SORRY, WHAT YOU RECEIVED, AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THESE, UM, RESIZING IN THE RED LINES THAT ARE DEPICTED ON THIS SLIDE? I HAVE NOT.
I'VE TALKED TO THE ARCHITECTS ABOUT WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO DO THAT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT DONE THE FULL RESUBMITTAL.
THEY WERE WAITING UNTIL AFTER THIS MEETING TO FINISH MAKING ALL THE CHANGES.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT ADVANCED AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE REVIEWED ALL THOSE COMMENTS AND WE ARE ADDRESSING THEM ALL.
AND BELIEVE WE CAN BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THAT PACKAGE.
AND THEN THIS WAS JUST A SECOND, UH, SHEET TO THAT.
UH, WADE GAIN IS BRIGHTVIEW DESIGN GROUP.
UM, SO JUST REAL QUICK, UM, ON THE, THE PLANTING PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, I, I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON A COUPLE THINGS I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
ONE IS THAT, UH, UH, THERE'S TWO TYPOLOGIES TO THE LANDSCAPE IN THIS AREA THAT'S RIPARIAN ALONG THE OAK CREEK, AND THEN TRANSITIONAL, AND THAT'S ALL OTHERS.
UM, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE, THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES QUICKLY, THAT, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS.
AND, AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH ALL THE CODES AND, AND THE CFA IS GREAT, WE'RE DOING ALL THAT.
BUT THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PUSHED US, UM, TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO, TO DO MORE.
AND SO AS I GO THROUGH HERE, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BE BEGIN REFERENCING TO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN ADDITION TO THE MINIMUMS. WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THE MINIMUMS. UM, SO, UH, ON THE PAGE NOW IS THE, UM, KINDA THE INVENTORY REPORT.
UM, WE HIRED A, AN ARBORIST TO GO THROUGH AND CHECK THE BOXES ON 945 TREES.
AND, UM, OF THOSE 945 TREES, WE'RE PRESERVING 505 OF THOSE TREES.
IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT 285 OF THEM ARE IN POOR CONDITION.
THEY'RE DYING, POTENTIALLY FALLING.
AND, UM, ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, 178 OF THOSE ARE INVASIVE SPECIES.
UM, YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE TOP PORTION OF THE, OF THIS PLAN, THIS PAGE ON THE, UM, NORTHWEST SIDE, THAT'S ALL THE NATURE PRESERVED.
WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING IN THERE OTHER THAN TO PULL OUT INVASIVE SPECIES OR TO, TO TAKE OUT THE, THE DEAD AND DYING MATERIAL.
UM, ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, OUR PLANT MATERIAL, WE ARE PROVIDING 85% NATIVE.
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UM, ADAPTIVE SPECIES.UM, WATG MENTIONED THE PERCENTAGES OF OF LAWN THAT WAS PROVIDED.
AND THEN, UM, IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE JUST REAL QUICK, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE COMPLYING WITH ALL THE, THE, THE PARKING LOT REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN THAT HAS CAME UP BEFORE, BUT WE ARE MEETING ALL THOSE CODES AND, AND BEATING THEM, UM, TWO PAGES FORWARD.
WE'RE, UH, JUST A REAL QUICK GLANCE AT, UH, SOME OF THE, THAT MATERIAL, UH, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS TRADITIONAL.
UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN THIS, IF YOU'VE GOTTEN OUT INTO THE NATURE OF SEDONA, YOU'VE SEEN ALL THIS MATERIAL.
IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, 85% NATIVE.
UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE ONE THING IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE IS THE PRUNUS AMERICANA OR THE AMERICAN PLUM.
SO WE WANT TO PAY HOMAGE, HOMAGE TO THE, UM, HISTORIC RESOURCES, THE IRRIGATION CHANNELS.
THERE'S TWO OF THEM, UH, ON SITE.
AND SO WE THOUGHT, 'CAUSE OF WHAT THE CFA SAYS, AND THEN WE THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO, UM, CREATE A, AN ORCHARD ADJACENT TO THOSE IRRIGATION CHANNELS FOR THE AGRARIAN HISTORY.
UM, THE COMMUNITY, UM, THERE ARE 13, I THINK THIS IS ON ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF, OF WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS DOING.
WE, WE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS TODAY ABOUT TREES
UM, UH, IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE, UH, FRUIT BEARING TREES ARE MUCH GREATER IMPORTANCE THAN WE, WE, UH, WE THOUGHT.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER WHEN, UH, WHEN WE HAVE MORE TIME, UH, LATER ON.
BUT, UM, MAYBE, UH, NEXT PAGE.
SO, UH, THIS IS JUST REAL QUICK.
THIS IS A LOT OF MATERIAL, UM, THAT IS LESS THAN THE TWO FEET IN HEIGHT.
THIS IS MORE OF YOUR GROUND COVER MATERIAL.
SO JUST WANNA FLASH IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE ARE GONNA PROPOSE TO USE SOME OF THESE AS PART OF THE RIPARIAN AREAS.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO ADAPTIVE SPECIES IN THIS LIST.
UM, AND IT'S IN DEFINITELY LOW WATER USE.
UH, SO WE'LL BE PROPOSING SOME OF THIS.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS AS WE STARTED TO LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THE INTERNAL, UH, SKETCHES, UH, IT STARTED TO LOOK A LITTLE, UM, LACKING OF LANDSCAPE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY, UH, WE'RE BRINGING THIS UP NOW.
IS THERE A WAY TO ZOOM IN ON THIS? UH, MAYBE NOT.
WELL, SO THE, THE, THE TRAILS IN FRONT OF YOU, MAYBE I'LL JUST TALK TO IT.
UM, TRAILS IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, THIS IS THE OPEN SPACE ALONG SNUBBY, AND WE WANTED TO, UH, KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE, THE MEANDERING TRAIL THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE.
SO THE, THE FIRST OPTION ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN IS, UH, WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
AND WE HAD TWO GOALS, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE WANTED TO, TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T, UM, DAMAGE THE HISTORIC RESOURCES, THE IRRIGATION CHANNELS.
AND THE WAY THAT IN WHICH WE DID THAT IS THE TRAIL, UH, FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, MEANDERS AT, UH, THE ORANGE PIECE OF THAT MEANDERS AT, UH, EIGHT FEET WIDE.
AND THAT THEN TRANSITIONS INTO A 10 FOOT WIDE PATH.
AND THEN TRANSITION WHERE IT BIFURCATES THERE, UH, THAT GOES DOWN TO FOUR FEET AND THEN TRANSITIONS FROM SIX TO EIGHT, UH, ACROSS THE ENTRY AND THEN BACK TO 10 UNTIL IT ENDS AT, UH, BARE WALLOW.
UM, AND THIS, THE PROPOSED VERSION, THIS, THERE'S 115 TREES ALONG THIS EDGE.
WE, WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE, UH, 75 OF 'EM, UH, IN THIS METHOD.
AND THEN OPTION TWO FURTHER DOWN, UH, THIS WAS A REQUESTED STUDY AND WE LOOKED AT 10 FOOT WIDE PATH AND A FIVE FOOT BIFURCATION, UH, WHERE IT TRANSITIONS THERE, UH, JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE ENTRY.
UM, THIS ONE, WE START TO LOSE A COUPLE MORE TREES, I THINK THREE MORE TREES.
UH, BUT THIS, THIS EFFORT HERE, UM, DOES PROVIDE, UM, IT, IT STARTS TO, I GUESS THE MAIN POINT OF THIS OPTION TOO IS THAT THERE'S SOME GRADING ISSUES ON THE BACKSIDE, AND WE MAY FOR THROUGH FURTHER STUDIES, HAVE TO PUT IN A SIX FOOT RETAINING WALL TO SAVE THAT IRRIGATION CHANNEL, UM, OR THAT HISTORIC RESOURCE.
UM, ALSO WE'D HAVE TO ELEVATE THIS PATH.
UM, AND YOU SEE WHERE IT'S IN YELLOW THERE, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE SOME OF THE, THE, THE MAIN TREES IN THIS AREA, SOME BIG HERITAGE TREES.
UM, BUT, UM, MOVING ON TO OPTION THREE.
THIS ONE, THIS OPTION IS A 10 FOOT PATH ACROSS THE, THE AND ENTIRE OPEN SPACE.
UH, WE START TO LOSE SIGNIFICANT TREES HERE.
WE'RE DOWN TO 58, UH, PRESERVED TREES.
THE OTHER THING IS IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCES.
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UPWARDS OF 70 FEET, 40 ON ONE SIDE, AND, UH, 30 PLUS OR MINUS ON THE RIGHT.UM, AND THEN OPTION FOUR, THE RIDER ROAD, THE WIDER ROAD WIDTH.
WE WERE ASKED, I BELIEVE, BY THE ENGINEER TO STUDY THIS VERSION.
THIS VERSION TAKES A 13 FOOT OFFSET FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, GIVING YOU A TOTAL 26 AND, UH, 10 FOOT MEANDERING PATH THROUGH THERE.
IN THIS VERSION, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, UH, PRESERVING ABOUT 64 TREES.
AND THE IRRIGATION CHANNELS ARE, ARE, ARE NOT, UM, ARE NOT DAMAGED THROUGH THIS METHOD.
THE, THE, WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE ON THIS VERSION IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING THESE MASSIVE SWATHS OF TREES OUT AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST COMPLETELY BE TREELESS IN, IN THESE AREAS BY BRINGING THIS ONE.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPTIONS.
UH, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, OUR PREFERENCES IS, IS YOUR PREFERENCE.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS EITHER WAY.
FOUR IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF THE CFA PUBLIC TRAILS CLUSTERING, OPEN SPACE, HISTORIC RESOURCES.
UH, THIS MAP IS DIRECTLY EXTRACTED FROM THE CFA AND SHOWS THE CONCEPTUAL PROPOSED PUBLIC PA PATHS AS THEY RELATE TO OUR SPECIFIC PROPERTY.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, ALONG BEAR WALLOW AND SCH NIBLEY HILL ROAD, UH, WE HAVE INCLUDED A PUBLIC TRAIL, UH, FOR OPTIONS, UH, FOR YOU TO CHOOSE FROM.
AND AS UH, WADE HAS STATED, WE ARE MORE THAN OPEN AND WILLING TO LISTEN FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON ANY ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
UH, REGARDING THE TRAIL ALONG BARE WALLOW, UH, THERE IS A PORTION THAT EXTENDS ONTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND EXTENDS TO THE CREEK, UH, TO A FUTURE PROPOSED CITY PROJECT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.
UH, WE ARE OFFERING TO BRING THAT TRAIL ONTO THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY, AND WE'LL COORDINATE AN EASEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT'S MUTUALLY AGREED UPON IN THE FUTURE, UH, TO ASSIST WITH THAT CONNECTION TO A FUTURE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.
AND HERE YOU CAN SEE A BIT MORE CLEARLY THE CONNECTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC CONNECTIONS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING ALONG SEGLEY HILL ROAD, BARE WALLOW DOWN AT THE LOWER RIGHT, AND THEN ALSO AN OFFERED PUBLIC EASEMENT, UH, WITHIN THE SECTION OF THE SITE YOU SEE AT THE UPPER LEFT.
AGAIN, THAT'S CONTINGENT ON THE CITY'S FUTURE PROJECT FOR LOCATING A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER THE CREEK.
THUS CONNECTING THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC RESOURCES.
WE DO HAVE SURVEYS FROM A HISTORIAN, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE CITY.
UH, SHE HAS IDENTIFIED FOUR ELEMENTS OF IMPORTANCE ON THIS SITE, AND WE ARE HONORING AND RESPECTING ALL FOUR OF THOSE ELEMENTS AND OFFERING TO PRESERVE AND POTENTIALLY, UH, REHABILITATE.
UH, IN ADDITION TO PRESERVING THE FOUR ELEMENTS ARE TWO SECTIONS OF THE HISTORIC IRRIGATION CHANNEL OR DITCH, AND TWO WELL SHEDS THAT ARE LOCATED IN OUR SITE.
WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC OR PATH ON OUR SITE THAT DOES, UH, WALK TO A VIEWING PLATFORM, AND WE WILL HAVE A HISTORIC RESOURCE PLAQUE THAT HAS A NARRATIVE AND TELLS THE STORY OF THE RELEVANCE OF THESE HISTORIC ELEMENTS WITHIN THIS SITE.
THE SIGNIFICANCE OF CLUSTERING IN THE CFA RECOMMENDATION IS TO OBVIOUSLY TIGHTEN UP THE GROUPINGS OF BUILDINGS, UH, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S A NEGATIVE SPACE.
IT'S THE CREATION OF MORE OPEN SPACE, EVEN THE PERCEPTION OF MORE OPEN SPACE, THUS MORE LANDSCAPE AND MORE VIEW SHEDS OPENING THROUGHOUT THE SITE THAT WE'VE TAKEN OUR BUILDINGS, UH, AND GROUPED THEM INTO FOUR DISTINCT CLUSTERS AND SEPARATED THOSE CLUSTERS
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BY A GREEN SPACE AND A LANDSCAPE BUFFER.AND, AND THE RESULT IS, IS STRIKING.
IT'S, WE ARE VERY PROUD OF, OF, OF THIS CONCEPT.
IT RESULTS IN ALMOST 49% OF THE SITE AREA BEING RECOGNIZED AS OPEN SPACE AS OPPOSED TO THE REQUIREMENT OF 25%.
IN ADDITION TO THE ENLARGED OPEN SPACES AND LANDSCAPE AREAS, IT OPENS UP MORE VIEW SHEDS AND MORE VIEW CORRIDORS THROUGH THE SITE, ESPECIALLY IN BETWEEN CLUSTERS AND ALONG THE WASH OR OVER OUR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OUR BUILDINGS ARE KEPT PREDOMINANTLY AT ONE STORY ALONG THE PUBLIC FRONTAGE.
AND, AND THEN WE DO HAVE TWO STORY BUILDINGS ALONG THE CREEK, BUT BY THAT TIME, THE NATURAL GRADE DOES DROP DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND IN SOME AREAS THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT 21 FEET.
SO PUBLIC PERCEPTION WILL BE BUILDINGS CLOSE TO SCHLEY HILL ROAD, ONE STORY PREDOMINANTLY, AND THOSE THAT ARE AWAY, OUR LANDSCAPE WILL ESSENTIALLY SHIELD THE LOWER LEVELS.
AND AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE ONE STORY BEYOND.
GOOD EVENING, LUKE'S A WITH A ENGINEERING, GLAD TO BE HERE.
UM, JUST TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE THINGS, UM, I GOT ABOUT FIVE PROJECTS CURRENTLY WITH ADEQ ON OAK CREEK AND UP THROUGH THE CANYON.
THREE OF 'EM HAVE GOT APPROVED SO FAR, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH ADEQ TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE ON OAK CREEK.
SO, UM, BUT WE'LL BE DOING SITE RETENTION.
UM, DEFINITELY TREAT THE FIRST FLUSH.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PERMEABLE SURFACES, THE PARKING LOT AND PA A LOT OF PATHWAYS.
AND THEN WE GOT RAIN CATCHMENT BASEMENTS OR BASINS THAT WE'RE GONNA PLACE, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THE PLACES TO KEEP THE WATER FROM GOING INTO THE CREEK.
AND THEN I WILL, UM, INCORPORATE SOAKAGE AREAS, BIOCHAR AND TREE WELLS AS WE GO THROUGH.
I CAN GET THE WATER TO SOAK INTO THE TREE WELLS, OR LIKE AT THE PARKING LOT, I BASICALLY, THE WAY I HAVE IT DESIGNED NOW, IF ANY WATER DOES RUN OFF THE PARKING LOT, THERE'S GONNA BE A, A SOAKAGE DITCH ALONG OR SOAKAGE AREA SO IT DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER.
UM, THE, UM, SO I, RIGHT NOW I GOT TO PRE AND POST DOWN TO AROUND 35 OR 40% OF WHAT IT WAS.
UM, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT THINGS IS THERE'S A FOUR INCH, UM, WATER LINE GOING ON STEADILY.
WE HAVE TO UPGRADE IT TO AN EIGHT INCH.
SO I MEAN, FOUR INCHES, YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT BETTER FIRE PROTECTION AND A LOT BETTER PRESSURE AND WATER AND THAT WHOLE UP SNUBBY FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE ARCHITECTS DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE, WHEN THEY SENT ME THE GRADING SHOTS, BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH DID IT, AND I MEAN, THEY'RE LIKE, JUST, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
I MEAN, IT CAN'T GET ANY CLOSER WITH GETTING IT THERE.
UM, THE ONE PHASE THAT WE HAVE NOW IN THE PLAN FOR THE PATH OF ALONG SNUBBY, UM, IS ADA UP TO BARE WALL ALMOST.
SO, AND ALL THIS, UH, PATHS, OR MOST OF 'EM ARE ADA ON SITE.
UM, BUT WE TWEAKED A LOT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, SO THANK YOU.
JUST THREE SLIDES QUICKLY TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY.
THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE DESIGN TEAM IS VERY SERIOUS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY.
IT'S EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IN ALL OF OUR PRACTICES.
WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT IS THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE FIVE PRINCIPLES WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE, UH, THE COMMITMENT WE'VE MADE THE COMMITMENT TO HAVE THREE OR FOUR OF OUR MAIN BUILDINGS, UH, LEED CERTIFIED.
THE PROJECT WILL ALSO MEET THE COCONINO COUNTY BRONZE LEVEL CERTIFICATION.
EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? THREE TO FOUR? YES.
UM, UP ON, ON THE DOCUMENT IT SAYS THREE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR.
THE REASON IS, UM, WHICH ARE THOSE? THOSE ARE THE RESTAURANT, THE LOBBY BUILDING.
THE SPA BUILDING, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MEETING ROOM.
THE MEETING ROOM IS PRETTY SMALL, BUT WE, WE CAN DO THAT.
THE REASON THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE CABINS OR THE UNITS IS THEY'RE EXTERIOR CORRIDORS, RIGHT? THERE'S NO CORRIDORS.
SO EACH UNIT, LET'S CALL IT THREE TO 500 SQUARE FEET, JUST HAS A, A CENTRAL VRF UNIT, REFRIGERANT UNIT.
IT'S AN ELECTRIC UNIT, HAS A CONDENSER ON THE GROUND.
WE WILL ALWAYS, THAT WILL BE FULLY INSULATED.
THE GLAZING WILL BE TOP NOTCH, BUT THERE'S CONSIDERABLE EFFORT TO CERTIFY A CABIN
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LEAD CERTIFIED.SO, UH, WE HAVE CHOSEN TO TAKE ON THE LARGER BUILDINGS, THE RESTAURANT, THE SPA, THE MEETING ROOM, AND THE LOBBY BUILDING WITH THE BACK OF HOUSE.
AND IS THAT COMMONPLACE IN THE INDUSTRY? YES.
FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WHAT WE REFER TO AS A CAMPUS STYLE, ABSOLUTELY.
IF THIS WERE ONE LARGE STRUCTURE MM-HMM, OR HIGH RISE, THEN THE WHOLE BUILDING'S LEAD CERTIFIED.
BUT WHEN WE BREAK OUT THESE CABINS, THEY ARE SO EFFICIENT ON THEIR OWN THAT IT, IT, IT'S REALLY NOT ATTAINABLE TO, TO CERTIFY 'EM, UH, TO THIS LEVEL.
UM, YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE OWNERS MADE A COMMITMENT TO, UH, THE VV RIO IN TERMS OF OPERATIONAL AS WELL.
THIS IS NOT JUST ARCHITECTURAL, THE OPERATIONS WILL BE, UH, SUSTAINABLE.
UH, AS WELL AS IF YOU LOOK IN OUR INITIAL SUBMITTAL, WE PROVIDED A VERY DETAILED, UH, WE HIRED ENGINEER TO DO A VERY DETAILED WATER DEMAND STUDY AND A SUSTAINABILITY STUDY.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK THROUGH THAT, UH, TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING TO EXCEED THE MINIMUMS FOR BOTH CODE, UH, AND, UH, SEVERAL OF THESE CERTIFICATIONS.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY GROUPS, UH, KEEPS SEDONA BEAUTIFUL, UH, THE COMMUNITY FOCUSED AIR, UH, ACTION PLAN THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL AS APS NEXT.
SO I, WE JUST FOCUSED ON THE ONES THAT ARE MOST IMPACTFUL.
AND SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOLAR.
INITIALLY WE DESIGNED PASSIVE SOLAR FIRST, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHADING, ORIENTATION, GLAZING, AND BUILDING ENVELOPE.
ALL OF THAT'S PASSIVE SOLAR DESIGN THAT WE DO WITH EACH BUILDING.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOLAR BOTS ON SEVERAL OF THE BUILDINGS.
IT'S GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE RENEWABLE ENERGY PART OF THE PACKAGE.
IT THEN OBVIOUSLY LOW VOLTAGE LIGHTING, UH, AND TRY TO EXCEED CODE, UH, UTILIZE DIMMING SYSTEMS. OBVIOUSLY NIGHT SKY IS IMPORTANT.
ALL EQUIPMENT ENERGY CERTIFIED ENERGY STAR CERTIFIED.
UH, AND THEN WHEN I REFER TO THE VARIABLE REFRIGERANT FLOW, VRF, WE REFER TO IT, THESE ARE ELECTRIFIED, UH, HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEMS, SO THEY'RE NOT GAS LOW, UH, SUPER ENERGY EFFICIENT.
SO WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE LOW FLOW PLUMBING FIXTURES.
WE'RE GONNA EXCEED CODE, MEANING WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE IT, NOT EXCEED IT.
UH, WE WANT TO DO BETTER AND BE MORE EFFICIENT, UH, THAN WHAT ACTUAL CODE MINIMUMS ARE.
UH, STRATEGIC PLACEMENT OF WATER REFILL STATIONS ENCOURAGE GAS ACT RESPONSIBLY.
UH, WE WANNA DO, UH, PROPOSED IRRIGATION WITH SENSORS AND METERING, UH, COULD TO CONTROL, UH, ANY KIND OF WASTE AND IMPROVE, UH, EFFICIENCY WITH THE, ANY KIND OF, UH, UH, WATERING SYSTEMS. THE NATURAL SYSTEMS SUCH AS RAINWATER HARVESTING, WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT.
WE'LL DO LOCAL, UH, STORAGE SO THAT WE CAN USE THAT, UH, UH, SORRY, STORED WATER FOR, FOR, UH, THE LANDSCAPE, UH, SYSTEM.
UM, SO WE ARE GONNA DO RAIN HARVESTING, AND THEN THIS IS A ANNIK ONE BASED ON OUR LAST CONVERSATION WITH BRYCE, ACTUALLY.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH BRYCE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WITH YOUR, YOUR CITY, UM, SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE RESEARCHED THIS AND WE ARE GONNA CONSIDER HEAVILY UTILIZING THE HEAT PUMP WATER HEATERS.
AND WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THAT IS THAT WE ELIMINATE GAS, AND THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, OUR GOALS.
UH, AND SINCE IT'S AN ELECTRIFIED SYSTEM TO HEAT THE WATER, WE CAN USE SOLAR TO POWER.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THAT, UH, MATERIALS AND CONSUMPTIONS.
GUESTS WILL BE INFORMED, THEY'RE GONNA BE EDUCATED, UH, AND THEY'LL ALSO COLLABORATION WITH SEDONA RECYCLES THE COMPOSTING GENERAL WASTE AND, AND RECYCLING.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT TO PUT INTO THIS TO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, REUSE AND RECYCLE AND CONTAIN.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TRAFFIC.
I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE'RE, UM, 35 MINUTES IN.
WE KIND OF BROKERED A 30 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU THINK WE'VE GOT THREE SLIDES.
I'M BRIAN MCKOWSKI, TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH KIMLEY HORN.
UM, THE DEVELOPER PUT TOGETHER A TRAVEL, UH, TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN TO REDUCE VEHICLE TRIPS AND EMISSIONS.
AND THERE'S REALLY TWO PARTS TO THIS TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THE FIRST PART BEING THE FIRST SEVERAL BULLETS THERE FOR THE ONSITE EMPLOYEES, THERE WILL BE AN ONSITE TRANSPORTATION COORDINATOR TO FACILITATE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS FOR EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING A RIDE SHARE REGISTRATION, ADMINISTERING EXTENDED PROGRAMS FOR CARPOOL, VANPOOL, TRANSIT USE, BICYCLING AND WALKING CER, UH, MARKETING, AS WELL AS PROMOTION OF THE COMMUTER PROGRAM, AS WELL AS CONDUCTING, UH, EMPLOYEE SURVEYS TO, TO MATCH TO SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVE MODES.
IN ADDITION, FOR GUESTS VISITING THE LODGE, THEY'LL ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MODES, INCLUDING BICYCLES, ELECTRIC BICYCLES, AND WALKING PATHS TO, TO EN ENJOY THE HOTEL SITE AS WELL AS ADJACENT USES.
THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS TO THE, THE NEW
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SEDONA SHUTTLE ON-DEMAND MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM, AS WELL AS THE, THE LODGE.WE'LL PROVIDE AN ELECTRIC SHUTTLE TO FAC TO FACILITATE DAILY CONNECTIONS TO, UM, TO ADJACENT USES WITHIN TWO MILES.
WILL YOU BE THE, UM, PERSON WE TURN TO FOR DISCUSSION ON TRAFFIC AND THE TIA AND ABSOLUTELY.
WITHIN THE CFA, UH, THERE IS A PLAN THAT OR PAGE, UH, PAGE 11 THAT COMPARES, UH, WHAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED, AND THAT'S A SPRAWLING RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION ON THE LEFT, UH, VERSUS A PROPOSED SCENARIO.
AGAIN, UH, THE PAGE STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CFA, UH, WE'VE TAKEN THE PROPOSED PROJECT ON THE RIGHT, SCENARIO NUMBER TWO AND COMPARED IT TO OUR PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, SOME VERY FORTUNATE RESULTS.
OUR PROPOSED PROJECT HAS A FOOTPRINT THAT IS MUCH SMALLER IN FOOTPRINT AND BUILDING COVERAGE THAN THE CFA PROPOSED PROJECT.
THE CFA PROPO PROPOSED PROJECT IS OVER 10% LARGER THAN OUR PROPOSAL.
AND IN ADDITION, IF WE INTERPOLATE THE ACREAGE AND BUILDINGS AND NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, IT YIELDS, UH, 73 LODGING UNITS WITHIN THE CFA'S PROPOSED PROJECT OPPOSED TO OUR 70, SO APPROXIMATELY 5% LESS.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE REUSING THE THREE RESIDENCES IN THE C FFA PROPOSED PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO OUR FOUR WORKFORCE HOUSING APARTMENTS.
SO ALL THINGS, UH, THE IMPORTANCE, UH, UH, TOUCH POINTS REGARDING INTENSITY, DENSITY, NUMBER OF UNITS, SQUARE FOOTAGE, FOOTPRINTS, UH, ON ALL ITEMS, WE CAN CHECK THE BOX AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ARE LESS INTENSE THAN EVEN THE CFA'S PROPOSED PROJECT.
AND WITH, WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE, THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF, OF ADDRESSING THE LDC AND, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE EXTRA TIME.
AND I, I KNOW WE CAN REFER BACK TO ANY OF THE PAGES THAT ARE IN THIS AS QUESTIONS COME UP, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SHRINKING THAT PRESENTATIONS TO ALLOW FOR MORE QUESTIONS AND FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO COMMISSION, UM, GET STARTED.
MAYBE HANUKKAH, MAYBE CARRIE, I'M NOT SURE.
I'M GONNA START WITH THE CITY ONES.
I, UM, THERE'S A STATEMENT SOMEWHERE IN THIS MASSIVE NUMBER OF PAGES, DON'T ASK ME WHERE IT WAS ABOUT WASTEWATER AND ANOTHER, A CAPACITY DISCUSSION AND BARE WALLOW AND THE PUMPING STATION.
AND COULD YOU TELL US WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS? YES.
SO, UH, WE, WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE INVESTIGATING ON THE CURRENT FLOWS AND, UM, LOOP CONDITION OF THE LIFT STATION AT BARE WALLOW.
CURRENTLY WHAT'S PROPOSED IS ALL THE SEWAGE IS GOING TO DOWN TO BARE WALLOW AND THEN GETTING PUMPED BACK UP TO NEDY HILL.
WE'RE JUST MA IT'S ONE OF THE OLDEST LIFT STATIONS IN TOWN, SO, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY.
WE REDESIGNED THE SITE SO THAT EVERYTHING GOES INTO NEDY HILL ROAD.
UM, WE GOT ALMOST ALL OF IT TO GRAVITY.
UM, WE GOT A COUPLE THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ON PUMPS, BUT ALSO WE ALSO PUT ALL THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED OUR EXISTING TREES ON THERE TO MAKE SURE THE SEWER LINES WEREN'T GOING TO GO TAKE OUT THE TREES AND STUFF WHEN IT GOES.
BUT, SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT COMMENT IS NO LONGER RELEVANT SINCE YOU'VE REDESIGNED IT.
AND HANUKKAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT MEETING.
WE HAD A FACE-TO-FACE MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC'S WORK DEPARTMENT TO IRON OUT THIS IS ISSUE.
AND OUR ENGINEERING TEAM DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO NOT DIRECT SEWAGE UP TO LIFT STATION AND IMPACT, UH, SUCH AN OLD FACILITY.
SO WE WILL BE GRAVITY FLOWING, WE WILL HAVE EJECTOR PUMPS AND GRAVITY, GRAVITY FLOW DOWN SCHLEY HILL ROAD LIKE THE EXISTING, EXISTING RESIDENCES DO.
WHAT'S ONE THING DAN? UM, I, LET'S SEE, THERE WAS AN INTERESTING, THIS IS JUST, THERE WAS AN INTERESTING SORT OF LITTLE DISCUSSION IN DAVID TRACY'S LETTER, UM, WHICH HE WRITES,
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HE HAS MANY GOOD POINTS, BUT, UM, ONE OF 'EM WAS ABOUT NATURAL GRADE AND WHAT IS NATURAL GRADE WHEN THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH ACTIVITY ON THE SITE OVER THE DECADES.AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK, HAVE YOU COME TO, I MEAN, DOES EVERYBODY AGREE ON WHAT NATURAL GRADE IS AT THIS POINT? SO THEY HAVE NOT PROPOSED ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN EXISTING GRADE.
AND SO IF THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH, UM, IF THEY WANTED TO PROPOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE WHETHER THEIR PROPOSAL IS REASONABLE, BUT AT THIS POINT, THEY HAVE NOT PROPOSED IT'S MOOT SOMETHING.
UM, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO THE FOOTBRIDGE, A PROPOSED FOOTBRIDGE DOWN THE ROAD, UM, AS A CITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
AND I JUST WONDERED, IS THIS A, SOMETHING THAT'S, UH,
OH, SO THE CREEK WALK, THERE IS NO PLAN FOR RIGHT NOW.
WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CFA PLAN WAS THAT AS THESE PROPERTIES DEVELOP, THEY PROVIDE EASEMENTS.
AND SO ONCE WE PIECE TOGETHER THE EASEMENTS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS, THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO IN AND HAVE A PROJECT, UM, AND NOT HAVE THE LEGAL ACCESS TO ALL OF THAT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I THOUGHT I'D HEARD EARLIER, WHICH WAS THAT THE PROJECT WAS GONNA HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE THING, BUT, OKAY.
SO AT THIS POINT, GIVEN THAT THERE WOULD BE AN EASEMENT, UM, THE CITY'S SATISFIED WITH THAT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE REQUESTED IS THAT, SO WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING IS AN EASEMENT THAT, OR AT LEAST IN THEIR LAST SUBMITTAL THAT KIND OF HUGS THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'D ASK FOR IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE IN CASES WE DEVELOP THE PLAN, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN PUT IT IN THE MOST LOGICAL PLACE, WHICH MAY NOT BE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THIS IS A TRAFFIC QUESTION.
THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THROUGH THE SCH NEBBY ROUNDABOUT IS CURRENTLY AN F AND IT'S HEARTENING TO KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT GONNA DEGRADE THAT FURTHER, BUT I DON'T, I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS AG ANYWAY, BUT, UM, SO REALLY IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY.
WHAT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT PRO, UH, PROJECTS ARE IN PLACE, IF ANY, THAT ARE GOING TO, WHAT'S THE CITY INTENDING TO DO TO IMPROVE FROM F THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
AND THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TO THE DEVELOPER ALSO.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE TIA THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH, BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE UNDERPASS AT TILLOCK.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE RAN A STUDY YET.
AND KIMLEY HORNE I THINK MIGHT KNOW BETTER THAN ME ACTUALLY, UM, IF THOSE, HOW, UM, THE EFFICACY OF THOSE PROJECTS.
BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT COME TO MIND.
AND THEN I'M ASKING, OH, OH, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME TALK ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS ON SNUBBY HILL ROAD AND POSSIBLY MAKING IT A THROUGH ROAD, BUT I'M NOT GONNA, UM,
IS THAT YOU DON'T, I DIDN'T WANNA LEAD YOU GUYS ON TOO MUCH.
UM, SO IMPROVEMENTS ON SNUBBY HILL, THE CORRIDOR, UM, AMMAR LANE AND AKA P**I UNDER CROSSING ARE THE FIRST ONES THAT COME TO MIND.
AND THEN I'VE ALSO REQUESTED THEM, WHAT SHOULD I DO WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT FEES? LIKE WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED IN SIM THAT WOULD ALSO HELP THE MOST IN THIS LOCATION? MM-HMM.
AND SO, YES, THAT'S WHAT, UH, WE'D BE PROVIDING SOME DEVELOPMENT FEES TO GO TOWARDS, UH, POTENTIALLY A LARGER PROJECT, BUT AT, AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD BE, UH, A SLIGHT WIDENING OF SEV HILL ROAD.
UM, AND THEN AS IT LOOKS AT ULTIMATELY, UM, THE, THE MAIN HIGHWAY THROUGH IT'S, UH, A MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE ALREADY OBVIOUSLY EXCESSIVE DELAY OF, OF LEVEL OF SERVICE F BUT WE'RE NOT INCREASING THAT TO ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER DEGRADATION OF, OF THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
IT ACTUALLY MAINTAINS THE CURRENT LEVEL OF, OF SERVICE.
MAY I ADD? COULD, COULD, CAN I ASK, IS THERE A LEVEL OF SERVICE LOWER THAN AN F? NO.
AND FOR AND FOR CLARITY, THE ROUNDABOUT ACTUALLY HAS THREE GRADES BASED ON DIRECTION.
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OF THEM IS AN F BUT THE OTHERS ARE CORRECT.THE, OUR ACCESS FROM SCHNEBEL HILL AND INTO, UH, 1 7 9, UH, 89 A, THAT IS, THAT IS ALL MAINTAINING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE ON, ON EACH APPROACH.
SO THE OTHERS DO NOT DEGRADE AND THEY ARE NOT F WHICH ONE DID YOU SAY? SO SY HILL, THE ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY, THE RIGHT ROUNDABOUT DOES, DOES NOT HAVE ANY CHANGE IN LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AND WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY? LET ME JUST LOOK AT THAT IF AGAIN, SORRY FOR BRENT CROWER WAS OUR REGISTERED ENGINEER ON THIS, SO IT'S NOT AS IF THE ENTIRE ROUNDABOUT IS GRADED THAN F.
AND SO, AND THERE'S NO DOWNGRADING.
THE SOUTHBOUND LEG IS LEVEL SERVICE C AND THE EASTBOUND LEG IS LEVEL SERVICE B, D AS IN DAVID, D, B AS IN BOY B.
AND SO THAT, SO THE B AND C IS NOT DOWNGRADED, IT STAYS AT THAT GRADE.
SO, UM, SINCE THE, THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY UNDER ACROSS AT AK IS A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT, I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME ONLINE, I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY DO ANOTHER TRAFFIC, YOU CAN'T DO ANOTHER SURVEY OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, TEST SOMETHING UNTIL THAT'S IN PLACE.
YOU WANT ALL THE PIECES IN PLACE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN STILL MODEL IT AND HAVE A THEORETICAL, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IN LOS.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE UNDER CROSSING PROJECT WOULD DEFINITELY BE FINISHED BEFORE THIS PROJECT ALSO, BUT NOT BEFORE THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED.
I, I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW WHEN IT'S GETTING APPROVED, SO, OR IF SO WELL VOTED ON, LET'S SAY.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS IT FOR THE CITY ONES.
UM, SHOULD I GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE SOME TIME AND, OH, THAT'S FINE.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY SEE A LOT OF CHANGES, POSITIVE CHANGES SINCE THE LAST TIME WE, UM, LOOKED AT THE PROJECT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU'VE DEFINITELY TAKEN TO HEART, CERTAINLY THE, THE MASSING AND THE, UH, THE USE OF THE MATERIALS.
AND ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A COMPLIMENT ON THAT.
I THINK WHEN WE WERE ONSITE TODAY, WE DISCOVERED THAT THE LOBBY BUILDING IS TWO FLOORS AND THE SECOND FLOOR IS NOT UP, IT'S ACTUALLY DOWN.
THE LOOK, LOOK OF IT IS IT WILL HAVE A, A SUBTERRANEAN LEVEL, ESSENTIALLY A BASEMENT.
UM, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT, OR MAYBE CARRIE, TALK ABOUT THE THIRD FLOOR THAT'S IN THE WORKER HOUSING, WHICH ALSO IS, OH, SORT OF, YOU CALLED IT A WALKOUT BASEMENT LEVEL.
IS THAT ALLOWABLE? SO THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON NUMBER OF STORIES.
WE JUST LOOK AT HEIGHT AND ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAD QUESTIONS ON OF HEIGHT WAS THAT BUILDING.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER CHANGE THAT THEY GET IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH HEIGHT.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR CODE THAT DICTATES A NUMBER OF STORIES.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT OVERALL HEIGHT AND THAT IF THEY, HOPING THAT WE CAN
SO, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CHANGES, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HEIGHT ON.
AND IF I MAY ADD THAT OUR TEAM DID FIND A SOLUTION, I BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCE WAS ONLY A FOOT OR SO, AND THE CONCEPT FOR THAT BUILDING IS FOR THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION, UH, TO SEE IT AS A TWO STORY BUILDING, JUST LIKE OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH, OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH AS YOU EXIT THE SCHNABEL HILL ROUNDABOUT TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT.
UH, BOTH OUR TWO STORY VISIBLY, TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
AND, UH, IF YOU STEP DOWN INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S SITE ON THE CREEK SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, THE REAR IS A, IS A SUBTERRANEAN LEVEL THAT TUCKS INTO THE SLOPE OF LAND, THUS HAVING THREE STORIES AT THE REAR.
SO WE'VE IMPLEMENTED A SIMILAR CONCEPT AS OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBOR.
UH, BUT THE IMPORTANT ELEMENT BEING THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF TWO STORIES FROM A SIBLEY HILL ROAD, WE'RE WORKING INTO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE CONTOURS OF THE LAND.
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WE'VE HAD OTHER CFAS WHERE THERE WAS ONE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT HAD A POTENTIAL FOR MORE THAN TWO STORIES, AND THAT WAS QUITE A DISCUSSION.THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE THAT ALLOWANCE.
SO IT JUST DOESN'T ADDRESS, THEY WOULD NEED TO MEET THE STANDARD HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
THE, THERE'S A-A-D-E-Q ANTI DEGRADATION LAW THAT HAS SOMEHOW IT'S NEW APPARENTLY, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S IN IT, BUT DOES IT ALIGN WITH WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN OUR LDC OR ARE WE, WELL, I DON'T, LUKE SEFTON, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LDC, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M, I HAVE FIVE PROJECTS CURRENTLY WITH ADEQ, GOT THREE OF THEM APPROVED OR, UM, BUT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THE NEW RULE.
IT'S NOT A NEW RULE, IT'S AN OLD RULE THEY NEVER ENFORCED.
SO, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH IT BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO, BASICALLY IT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY WATER GOING TO OAK CREEK, AND THAT'S JUST NEXT IMPOSSIBLE ON MANY OF THESE PROJECTS.
AND IF YOU DO THAT FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES, THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE YOUR BASE FLOW OF OAK CREEK GO DOWN.
BUT, BUT WE HAVE TO TREAT IT AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WHEN IT GOES BACK IN, IT'S, UM, NOT CLEAN, BUT IT HAS TO MATCH THE WATER SURFACE THERE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE SOME CURRENT IMPEDIMENT JUST THAT HAS TO BE WRINKLED OUT OR UNWRINKLED IN OUR, I MEAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE TRY NOT TO INCLUDE THINGS OUT OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE REVIEW FOR.
SO IF IT'S AN ADAQ REQUIREMENT, IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO GET THEIR APPROVED ADAQ PERMITS TO PER TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT.
I CAN COMMENT ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE IF YOU KNOW.
SO THE ADQ HAS A NEW NO NEW DISCHARGE RULE, AS IN NO NEW DIRTY CONTAMINANTS OR NO NEW VOLUME, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY CURRENTLY IT STILL DISCHARGES TO THE C CREEK AT AT CREEK AT A CERTAIN VOLUME.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, THEIR, THEIR CHANGES THEY'VE MADE TO THE PLAN ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE IN, UM, CONSISTENT WITH ADQ AND THE CFA BECAUSE IT ENCOURAGES PERMEABLE PAVERS AND, AND RETENTION AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, UM, AND SO THEY HAVE ADDRESSED MY COMMENTS AND I THINK ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED AQS COMMENTS ALSO.
UM, THE PARKING AT THE LAST ITERATION, YOU WERE CONTEMPLATING IT BEING SORT OF IN AN ORCHARD OR PLANTED UNDER THE TREES, PLANTING TREES TO BE, ANYWAY, UM, HAS THAT DISAPPEARED? BUT I DID SEE ONE SLIDE THAT WENT UP THAT HAD GREEN, SO IT MADE ME THINK, WELL, MAYBE THE ORCHARD'S STILL THERE.
IT SOUNDED LIKE A, A GREATER IDEA THAN IT REALLY WAS, TO BE HONEST.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT ADVICE,
UH, BUT OUR, OUR STRATEGY HAS CHANGED.
THE ORCHARD TREES ARE BEING LOCATED IN TWO SMALL CLUSTERS NEAR THE HISTORIC RESOURCE IRRIGATION CHANNEL TO PLAY INTO THE PAST HISTORIC RELEVANCE, UH, OF THE SITE, UH, BEING ORCHARDS, AND THEN MAKING THOSE TREES RELEVANT WITH THE IRRIGATION, HISTORIC IRRIGATION CHANNEL.
AND, UH, AT OUR PARKING LOTS, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, LARGER CANOPY TREES TO SHIELD THE CARS FROM THE PUBLIC IN ADDITION TO STRATEGICALLY PLACED TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AT BARE WALLO.
UH, AT BARE WALLO, UH, SINCE WE HAVE A PUBLIC STREET AT GRADE WITH OUR PARKING LOTS, WE ARE PROPOSING ADJACENT TO THE NEW PUBLIC SIDEWALK, A LANDSCAPED BERM WITH SHRUBS AND A SOLID FENCE SO THAT HEADLIGHTS WOULD BE FULLY SCREENED AND NOT SHINE INTO OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND ALSO THE VIEW OF CARS WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY SCREENED.
PEDESTRIANS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO LOOK OVER AND SEE CARS.
THEY WOULD JUST SEE A BEAUTIFUL GREEN WALL.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS, WHO THIS ONE IS TOO, BUT IN THE, THERE WAS A LETTER FROM DAVE TRACY OUTLINING A NUMBER OF CONCERNS, AND THEN THERE'S SEEMS TO BE A RESPONSE THAT'S IN RED, AND I'M TRYING, WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHOSE RESPONSE WAS THAT? THAT WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS DAVID TRACY AND MAX LACER SUBMITTING
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JOINT COMMENTS.THEY WERE NOT ANY KIND OF STAFF COMMENTS IN THAT LETTER.
I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? THE RED REPRESENTED? IT WAS DAVID TRACY AND MAX LACER SUBMITTING JOINT COMMENTS.
SO THE RED REPRESENTS ONE OR THE OTHER MAX PROBABLY, I MEAN, THEY'RE OKAY.
WE ASSUME THAT DAVID TRACY AUTHORED IT, BUT THE RED IS THE RESPONSE FROM MAX.
THEY'RE NOTHING TO DO, LIKE STAFF DID NOT PROVIDE THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, THE AREA THAT'S MARKED NATURE PRESERVE IN THE FLOODPLAIN, IS IT PUBLIC ACCESS THERE? UM, IT'S, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO, UM, SITE EXPLORATION AND LEARNING.
AND I JUST WONDERED WHAT'S, WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE.
WE WOULD HAVE A, A SET OF NATURALLY GRADED PATHS THAT THE GUESTS CAN ENJOY.
AND IN THAT AREA ALSO, WE'RE, WE'RE COMMITTING TO AN EASEMENT, UH, LOCATION TO BE DETERMINED AT A FUTURE TIME.
AND, UH, WE'RE IN THE HOSPITALITY BUSINESS, SO OUR SITE IS OPEN TO ANY RESPECTFUL INDIVIDUAL THAT WOULD LIKE TO ENJOY IT.
AND, UH, THE, THE FLOODWAY AND THAT PRESERVE ALONG THE CREEK WILL NOT BE FENCED IN IT.
IT'LL BE A FEEL AS THOUGH IS OPEN AND CONTIGUOUS WITH THE REST OF, WITH THE REST OF THE CREEK.
AND, AND WE'RE AGAIN, MORE THAN HAPPY AND WELCOME TO, TO HAVE NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS OF THE PUBLIC AT OUR SITE.
OH, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR LUKE SEFTON, UM, WATER USAGE.
THERE ARE SEVERAL, THERE ARE SEVERAL CALCULATIONS.
ONE OF 'EM SAYS 70 ROOMS, 300 GALLON A ROOM, 21,600 GALLONS A DAY.
THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT SAYS, THAT INCLUDES THE HOTEL APARTMENTS, I GUESS THE WORKFORCE UNIT, THE RESTAURANT, IT'S 31,716 GALLONS A DAY.
I WAS WONDERING IF THE POOL IS INCLUDED IN ANY OF THESE CALCULATIONS OR THE SPA? IT'S IN THE OVERALL, I MEAN, IT'S IN THE NUMBER, BUT A LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS, I MEAN, THEY HAVE A WHOLE WATER SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM THAT THEY HAD ANOTHER ENGINEER DO.
AND, BUT WHEN I GO TO GET THAT APPROVED, I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WATER COMPANY, ARIZONA WATER AND ADEQ HAS THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS I HAVE TO USE UNLESS I CAN GET HANUKAH GREASE TO SOMETHING.
BUT NO, BUT I HAVE CERTAIN NUMBERS, SO IT DOES MAKE IT LOOK BIG BECAUSE I'M ALSO LOOKING FOR THE HIGHEST PEAK SO THEY CAN PLAN THEIR WATER SYSTEM HERE.
SO THEY ALWAYS WANT YOU TO BIG NUMBERS.
AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE TYPICALLY VERY CONSERVATIVE AND LARGE STANDARD NUMBERS THAT, THAT COME OUT OF THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMPANIES OR WATER COMPANIES, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN MEET MAX DEMAND FOR MAXIMUM USAGE ON EVERY PROJECT.
THE MAX OF THE MAX OF THE MAX, UH, IS HOW THEY FIGURE OUT CAPACITY.
SO WE, WE, WE FOLLOW THEIR DATA AND, UH, JUST IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OUR, OUR CALCULATION SHOW THAT OUR WATER CONSERVATION WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WE WILL BE IMPLEMENTING, UH, MORE THAN REDUCES EVEN THE USE OF WATER IN THE POOL.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A CLEAR OFF STATE OFFSET AND BETTER IN TERMS OF WATER CONSERVATION.
UM, I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, WHO OWNS AND IT'S GONNA OPERATE THE HOTEL.
UH, WHEN WILL THAT BE DETERMINED? WE WILL HAVE A THIRD PARTY OPERATOR.
UM, NOT BEEN DETERMINED YET ONCE WE GET THROUGH PLANNING AND DETAILS, AND, UM, IT WOULD, UH, ONCE WE GET INTO FINAL PLANS, WE WOULD BRING IN OUR OPERATOR.
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WOULD IT BE THE OPERATOR THAT WOULD REALLY DICTATE THE DETAILED PLANS? NO, IT WOULD, LIKE IF WE, WE ARE, SO HYATT, SOMEONE COMES IN, SAYS, WE WANT A ROOMS LOOKING THIS WAY, UM, THEY'LL HAVE INPUT, BUT THERE WILL NOT DRIVE THE DESIGN DECISIONS.WE, WE WANT THE OPERATIONAL INPUT FOR SURE, UH, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE THE BUS.
I MEAN, WE'RE THE OWNERS AND ONCE THE HOTEL IS OPEN, WE OVERSEE, UM, THE HOTEL OPERATOR.
UH, AND WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE HOTEL, BUT WE WILL HIRE THE RIGHT GROUP.
UM, THERE ARE, LIKE I SAY, THERE'S A FEW GROUPS THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED.
THEY LOVE THE CONCEPT, AND SO, UM, THEY RESPECT SEDONA.
UH, AND, AND THIS, IT'S A VERY SPECIAL HOTEL.
UH, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE VERY HANDS-ON, UM, UH, MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP AT THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT.
SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.
SO IT, IT MATTERS TO US HOW IT'S OPERATED, HOW WE FIT IN WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, OUR, UH, RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR ASSOCIATES ON SITE.
WE'RE VERY INVOLVED AS OWNERS.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS I MAY ADDRESS ARE COMMENTS I PROBABLY DON'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE, UH, COMMENTS BACK, BUT, UM, I'LL KINDA LEAVE THAT TO YOU.
UH, I ALWAYS ADDRESS INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERY SINGLE PROJECT I HAVE CONCERNS THAT THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE IN SEDONA, UH, FOR WATER.
WHETHER IT'S 21,600 GALLONS OR A LESSER AMOUNT, HOPEFULLY IT'S GONNA BE A LESSER AMOUNT.
IT'S, UH, GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS STRAIN, UH, ON ARIZONA WATER AND ALSO ON ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THE FUTURE.
FOR SOME REASON, THAT NUMBER CAME OUT 8,000.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 21,000 AND 8,000.
UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE IT'S ALL A GUESS ANYHOW AT THIS POINT.
UH, YOUR IRRIGATION WATER, YOU TALKED ABOUT USING, UH, UH, RAIN HARVESTING.
UM, ARE YOU USING OAK CREEK WATER AT ALL FOR IRRIGATION? THERE IS EXISTING IRRIGATION OUT OF OAK CREEK AT THE MOMENT.
WE WON'T INCREASE THE USAGE, UH, BUT WE ARE STILL STUDYING ON WAYS TO AVOID IT.
BUT AT THE MOMENT, YES, IT'S, IT'S IN OUR PROJECT.
IS IT A PUMP SYSTEM OF SOME SORT? CORRECT.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY TURF SOD ON THE PROPERTY THAT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE LAWN, THE SPECIFIC LAWN AREA IS IN BETWEEN THE TWO MEETING ROOMS. THE SMALL GREENHOUSE MEETING ROOM AND THE MAIN MEETING ROOM.
SO IT WILL BE TURF OF SOME SORT.
SO THAT BE, SO IT'S GONNA BE THROUGHOUT THE SITE? YES.
TYPICALLY, WE'D LIKE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE RETENTION BASINS, SUBTERRANEAN RATHER THAN A A SURFACE POND TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT.
SO, TANKS, UNDERGROUND TANKS, THEY COULD BE TANKS OR GRAVEL PITS, MOST LIKELY GRAVEL PITS.
UH, IS THERE ANY CONCERN BY YOUR GEOTECHNICAL REPORT IN TERMS OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE STRUCTURES, UH, BASED ON WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED ALONG THE CREEK? YES.
THERE, THERE IS A WORD OF CAUTION REGARDING A BUILDING TOO, TOO CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF THE FLOODWAY.
AND, UH, FORTUNATELY THE, WE ARE KEEPING OUR STRUCTURE OF OUR BUILDINGS, THE PIERS OR FOOTINGS OUTSIDE THE FLOODWAY AND CANTILEVERING OUR BALCONIES AND TERRACES IF, IF THEY DO EXTEND OVER THE FLOODWAY.
UM, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS MADE ON THE, THE PARKING.
UH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LOW NUMBER.
90 SPACES FOR, UH, 70 ROOMS. I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE VERY AGGRESSIVE PLAN FOR EMPLOYEES TO KEEP THEM OFFSITE.
BUT JUST TAKING A LOOK AT, UH, ENTE, WHICH I LOOK AT AS A SIMILAR TYPE FACILITY
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AND FOR THEIR, YOU KNOW, JUST DOING BASIC CALCULATIONS, UH, WITH THEIR 40 ROOMS AND 53 PARKING SPOTS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES PARKING OFFSITE THERE.AND IF YOU DO STRICT CALCULATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, 70 OVER 40, IT CONVERTS TO 90 SPOTS.
AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY INCLUDE THE RESTAURANT OR SPA FACILITIES IN TERMS OF ANY ADDED TRAFFIC.
SO I'M KINDA, UH, VERY CAUTIONARY LOOKING AT THE 90 PARKING SPOTS.
AND YOU'RE, UH, LACK OF A BETTER TERM, YOU'RE JAMMING THE PARKING IN THERE, UH, WITH, UH, TANDEM PARKING AND SO FORTH.
NOBODY HERE WANTS MORE PARKING THAN YOU NEED, BUT ONCE WE'VE CROSSED THAT ROAD AND PARKING ISN'T IN SUFFICIENT, WHAT ALTERNATIVES DO YOU HAVE? WELL, WITH THE, WITH THE PARKING, IT'S A SHARED PARKING ANALYSIS.
THE NICE THING ABOUT THE, THE BLEND OF USES ON SITE THERE, THE PEAK PARKING DEMAND ACTUALLY DIFFERS FOR EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL USES.
PEAK PARKING FOR HOTEL ROOMS IS OVERNIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THE, THE PEAK PARKING FOR EMPLOYMENT, WHICH WOULD BE DURING THE DAY, AS WELL AS, UH, PEAK PARKING FOR, OH, WOULDN'T IT BE HOTEL PARKING THERE ALL DAY? WHAT'S THAT? YOUR HOTEL GUESTS ARE PARKED THERE ALL DAY THERE.
THE PEAK WELL DEMAND CHANGES OVER TIME BY HOUR.
AND THE PEAK PARKING DEMAND FOR A HOTEL USE IS OVERNIGHT.
IT'D BE LOWER OCCUPANCY DURING THE DAYS.
WELL, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME THERE, PARK, LEAVE THEIR CAR THERE, USE ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION METHODS.
SO WHEN THE VEHICLES BE PARKED THERE ALL DAY LONG, ALL NIGHT LONG, WE ARE CERTAINLY PROVIDING OPTIONS FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY THE, ULTIMATELY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE CHECKING IN AND CHECKING OUT.
SO THERE WILL BE LIKE ONE DAY STAY DECLINES IN NO, THAT'S, THEY'LL BE LEAVING AND, AND, AND, UH, JOIN OR, AND PARKING THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL NECESSARILY ARRIVING THE SAME DAY OR, AND LEAVING THE SAME DAY.
SO CONSTANTLY BE VARIABILITY OF WHEN THEY ARRIVE AND WHEN THEY, UM, DEPART.
BUT YOU, YOU ACTUALLY DON'T REACH PEAK PARKING DEMAND FOR HOTEL USE UNTIL AFTER 11:00 PM WHICH WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THE PEAK PARKING DEMAND FOR THE RESTAURANT DIFFERENT THAN THE PEAK PARKING DEMAND FOR THE MEETING ROOMS AND THE SPA AS WELL AS THE EMPLOYMENT.
THOSE ARE THE, THEY LAYER ON NICELY.
SO THAT ULTIMATELY REDUCES THE OVERALL PART.
MAY I ADD IN ADDITION TO OCCUPANCY THAT WE, WE ALL HOPE THAT WE'RE 100%, BUT IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, UH, STABILIZATION IN NORMAL OC OCCUPANCY IS, DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.
UH, SO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT ALSO.
SO PER, UH, WHY I SPECIFY IT STRIPED IS BECAUSE OUR VALET OPERATION ALSO WOULD UTILIZE SOME OF THE WIDER DRIVES OR THE DRIVE AISLES WITHIN THE PARKING LOT FOR PARKING AND STACK MORE CARS.
UH, THAT WOULD YIELD AT LEAST 15% MORE CARS JUST IN OUR, IN OUR PARKING LOT FOR BUSY TIMES.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IF THE NUMBERS ARE OFF A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM THERE TO 15, SQUEEZE SOME MORE CARS IN 50, 15% LOWER BECAUSE OF LOWER OCCUPANCY, AND THEN 50% GREATER IN QUANTITY BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY TO SQUEEZE IN CARS IN THE DRY VIALS.
OUR DRY VALVES ARE, I BELIEVE, 24 FEET WIDE.
SO TO PARK ONE CAR TO THE SIDE OF ONE DRY VI VALLEY OPERATIONS ARE VERY TALENTED AND EXPERIENCED IN MANEUVERING CARS IN THAT SITUATION.
UM, YOU MAY WANNA STAND THERE FOR A SECOND.
UH, SO WITH THE, UH, TRAFFIC ON NLY 1 79, UH, THAT, UH, IT'S, UH, ONE OF THE LEGS IS RATED, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICES IN F UH, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T CREATE ALL SOLUTIONS TO SOLVE SEDONAS TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, OTHERWISE, I THINK WE'D INVITE YOU TO BE EVERYWHERE.
UH, BUT WITH YOUR ADT GOING FROM 2036 TO 26 19, AN INCREASE OF 600 TRIPS PER DAY AT THAT LOCATION AND CURRENTLY LEVEL, UH, F LEVEL OF SERVICE F UH, AND I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT 4.9
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SECONDS PER VEHICLE MEANT, BUT, UH, REGARDLESS OF EMPIRICAL DATA, I THINK WE ALL DRIVE THAT ROUTE.I THINK THAT'S ONE LOCATION EVERYONE WANTS TO AVOID TOMORROW.
UH, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE NUMBERS SAY, IT'S GONNA BE HORRENDOUS.
WITH AN ADDITIONAL 600 VEHICLES AT THAT INTERSECTION, IT'S GONNA BE MORE HORRENDOUS.
SO, UH, UH, LEV, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICE F IT'S NOT GONNA GET BETTER.
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY A, A HELP TO THE, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.
AND, AND THE 4.9 SECOND, THAT'S WHAT THE PERCEPTION WOULD BE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL DRIVER GOING THROUGH THE, THAT ROUNDABOUT OVERALL IS AN ADDITIONAL
UH, LET'S SEE, JUST ONE OR TWO OTHER SHORT ITEMS, UH, TRAFFIC
UH, I'M ALSO INVOLVED A LITTLE BIT WITH, UH, UH, FRIENDS AT THE VERDE RIVER.
SO YOU MAY WANNA TALK TO THEM ABOUT FRIENDLY RIVER LIVING MM-HMM.
IN TERMS OF, UH, SOME OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO, UH, WORK ON THE SUSTAINABILITY ISSUE.
LET ME JUST CHECK ONE MORE THING.
DO I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK I'LL TURN THE MICROPHONE OVER.
UM, MS. SUN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
THESE QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE DEVELOPER.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH TODAY FOR THE SITE VISIT.
IT WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE AND A LOT OF THINGS POPPED OUT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION FOR.
UH, I NOTICED THAT AT THE CREEK, UM, EMBANKMENT BEHIND SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES, THERE'S BEEN IMPROVEMENTS THERE WITH, UH, RIVER BOULDERS AND CEMENT, BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN STAIRCASES PUT IN NATURAL THINGS THEY, YOU KNOW, A HOMEOWNER WOULD DO.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT THE PUBLIC WALKING DOWN.
WHAT'S YOUR PLANS FOR THAT AREA? UM, IS THERE GONNA BE GUEST ACCESS TO THE CREEK AT THOSE ALREADY ESTABLISHED STAIRS? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE NOT SAFE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE THEM, BUT WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT WHOLE IMPROVEMENT THAT EMBANKMENT? COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR POINTING IT OUT.
IT, OUR, OUR CURRENTS
HOWEVER, STAIRS WITH SOME STAIRS WITH SOME GUARDRAILS ARE, ARE NOT EXACTLY A NATURAL STATE OF OAK CREEK.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU POINTING THAT OUT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR TEAM IS GONNA DISCUSS INTERNALLY.
UH, THE FIRST REACTION WAS GUEST SAFETY.
SO IT, IT'S A TOPIC THAT WE WILL STUDY VERY CAREFULLY OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
AND THANK YOU FOR POINTING IT OUT.
AND THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE, OR JUST A DISCUSSION IS I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE ARCHITECT TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE GREENHOUSE AND HOW IT'S CONSTRUCTED AND WHERE THE GLASS IS.
AND SO I JUST HAVE A BETTER VIEW AND ESPECIALLY WHAT YOUR VISION IS FOR WHAT NIGHTTIME LOOKS LIKE, WHAT NIGHTTIME.
UM, GREG VIEGAS, UM, IT IS THAT SMALL BUILDING THAT YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT LAWN Y THAT LAWN.
AND CARRIE, CARRIE WILL GET IT.
SO YOU SEE THAT SORT OF BRIGHT GREEN, THAT'S THE EVENT LAWN TO THE LEFT OF THAT IS OUR MEETING SPACE.
AND TO THE RIGHT OF IT IS THE GREENHOUSE.
THAT'S THAT SMALLER 600 ROUGHLY SQUARE FOOT SPACE.
IT'S DESIGNED, UH, WE CALL IT, YOU CAN CALL IT AN
BUT WE WANTED TO USE THE, THE HEAVY RED STONE WALLS ON EITHER SIDE AND THEN RUN GLAZING BETWEEN, WITH MULTIPLE DOORS.
IT COULD BE OPENED UP ON A BEAUTIFUL DAY ON BOTH SIDES, OR IT COULD BE ENCLOSED.
UM, AND THEN ON THE, ON THE CEILING OR THE ROOF, WE DO WANT GLAZING THERE.
WE KNOW SOMETIMES OF THE YEAR THAT'S GONNA BE GREAT.
UH, OTHER TIMES WE, WE NEED TO PROVIDE A SHADING DEVICE.
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OF IT.THERE'S A CHROME THAT YOU CAN DO A SWITCH IN THE GLAZING.
UM, AND ALSO THOUGH WE CAN DO SOME MECHANICAL DEVICES TO ACTUALLY OPEN AND CLOSE AND CONTROL, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY GLAZING ON THE SIGN, GLAZING UP OVER AND DOWN BOUNDED BY THE, BY THE STONE WALLS.
AND ELECTROMAGNETIC GLASS THAT WE WERE, THAT WAS ERIC'S IDEA TOO.
ERIC'S BEEN HELPING US WITH THE DESIGN OF THAT AND THE WHOLE PROJECT.
SO IT'S BEEN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, BUT THE, WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THE GLAZING.
AND, AND ALSO IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SPECIFIC TYPES OF GLAZING THAT CAN HELP ELIMINATE LIGHTING POLLUTION FROM THE INTERIOR.
AND WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH AN INTERIOR DESIGNER AS WELL ON DRAPERY AND OPTIONS THAT WOULD MINIMIZE LIGHTING OUT.
UM, AND WE ALSO PROVIDED A, A LIGHTING PLAN FOR THE SITE BY OUR LIGHTING DESIGNER.
SO WE CAN FORWARD THAT OVER TOO.
BUT VERY SENSITIVE TO THE LIGHTING FOR THE SITE.
WITH A SPECIFIC EFFORT TO SHINE LIGHT DOWN AND SHIELD ANY LIGHT POLLUTION FROM GOING UP.
MY CONCERN WOULD BE HAVING THAT LIGHT POLLUTION FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION.
'CAUSE IT WILL LOOK LIKE A LIGHT BULB IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD.
UM, I LIVE IN A OLDER SEDONA NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE LOTS OF FOLKS WITH BIG WINDOWS AND IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST.
AND I WANNA JUST BE SENSITIVE TO OUR, OUR, OUR, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
AND I THINK THAT WE CAN USE THE SAME SHADING DEVICE THAT WE NEED TO CONTROL THE SUN TO CONTROL THE LIGHT AT NIGHT.
I DON'T THINK, UM, IT COULD BE EASILY PUT INTO A SOLID ROOF CONFIGURATION, SO THAT DOESN'T OCCUR.
THAT WAS ONE OF OUR COMMENTS THAT CARRIE GAVE US, IS THAT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO DOWNLIGHT.
SO WE'LL BE ADDRESSING THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL OUR LIGHTS ARE IN COMPLIANCE OF THAT REQUIREMENT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THE, ALL THE DRIVEWAYS AND, UM, WALKWAYS, UH, ARE THEY ALL LIKE PAVERS OR STONE? EVERYTHING IS PERMEABLE OR CORRECT? CORRECT.
ALL PAVERS AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THEM PERMEABLE.
UM, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY SMART THING THAT YOU ENDED UP DECIDING TO HAVE SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING.
HOW DID YOU LAND ON FOUR? UM, THAT'S, UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT FOUR DOES AS OPPOSED TO NONE.
UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE THAN THAT.
UH, I KNOW OTHER, OTHER FACILITIES ARE PURCHASING PROPERTIES IN COTTONWOOD SO THAT THEIR STAFF HAS SOME PLACE TO LIVE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A HOTEL WITH NO STAFF IF THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO LIVE.
UM, SO JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD COMMENT A LITTLE MORE ON THAT.
SO YES, WORKFORCE HOUSING IS A CONCERN FOR US.
UM, AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN LOOKING FOR PROPERTY, UH, IN THE AREA, UH, TO EITHER BUILD OR TO BUY, UM, PREFERRED TO BUILD, UM, WHICH WOULD BE POTENTIALLY IN COTTONWOOD.
WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF SITES HERE IN TOWN.
UM, BUT WE DEFINITELY KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HELP OUR EMPLOY OUR ASSOCIATES.
UM, BUT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, HAVING FOUR ON SITE CERTAINLY HELPS, UM, WISH WE HAD MORE LAND OR, YOU KNOW,
SO THAT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, THAT, THAT NUMBER IS KIND OF IN CONCRETE.
YOU'RE NOT LIKE, STILL THINKING ABOUT PERHAPS A FEW MORE.
UH, FORD WAS THE RESULT OF ADDING IT TO OUR EMPLOYEE BUILDING, OUR EMPLOYEE SERVICE BUILDING AT THE SOUTH CLUSTER.
AND WE, AS BOB HAD MENTIONED, WE WE'D WANT IT TO FIT MORE, BUT HOW SMALL CAN YOU GO WITH EMPLOYEE HOUSING? WE, WE COULD TRY TO SQUEEZE IN FIVE, BUT THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YEAH, THE UNITS WOULD BE, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER AND, AND MAYBE DON'T FEEL VERY LIVABLE.
SO FOUR FELT LIKE THE RIGHT NUMBER FOR AT THE RIGHT SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, ON THAT SPECIFIC BUILDING.
AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF OVERALL BUILDING MASS.
UH, WHILE WE DESIGN THESE UNITS, WE'RE WE'RE RESTRICTED TO A CERTAIN FOOTPRINT, FOOTPRINT, SIZE, ALONG WITH OTHER, THE OTHER QUANTITATIVE, UH,
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ISSUES WITHIN THE CFA.IT, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT FIT.
AND, AND THEN FOUR IS BETTER THAN ZERO.
SO, UH, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S AN EFFORT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND THAT EFFORT WILL CONTINUE AND BE ONGOING.
AND I NOTICED THERE'S SOME, UM, NOT SMOKESTACKS, BUT UH, THERE'S, THERE'S PLACES FOR WHAT LOOKS LIKE WOULD BE A FIREPLACE, CHIMNEY, UM, SORT OF THING HERE AND THERE.
METAL THAT'S COMING UP WITH A LITTLE ROOF ON IT.
UM, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT EVERYTHING IS ELECTRIC, SO THAT'S JUST REALLY VENTING.
EVERYTHING WOULD BE ELECTRIC, UH, AND THE AESTHETIC TO HARKEN BACK TO CABIN RIGHT.
AND ALSO WE DO HAVE SOME ELEVATOR PARAPETS THAT ALSO ARE CLAD IN THE SAME LANGUAGE.
SO IT WOULD BE TO HELP BRING THE WHOLE PROJECT INTO A RESIDENTIAL FEEL.
AND THOSE ARE MOSTLY AESTHETIC AND SOME VENTILATION.
SO MOST THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE TIME I TALKED.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.
UH, LAST TIME YOU GUYS CAME IN HERE IN MAY, I TOOK FOUR PAGES OF COPIOUS NOTES AND I WENT THROUGH THEM WHILE YOU WERE SPEAKING AND GIVING THE PRESENTATION AND ALMOST EVERY SINGLE THING WAS ADDRESSED, INCLUDING, UM, HEADLIGHTS AND CONCERNS LIKE THAT.
SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, MEETING CODE REQUIREMENTS, BUT GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND REALLY LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S REALLY APPRECIATED.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS I ALSO HAD NOTED WERE, YOU KNOW, CREEK RIGHTS AND IRRIGATION WATER RIGHTS AND ARE THERE LIMITS TO THAT? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE NOT PLANNING ON BURDENING MORE THAN WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE RIGHTS TO, SO THAT'S APPRECIATED.
I ALSO HAD FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER ON MY LIST, UM, THEIR CERTIFICATE, THEIR CERTIFICATION PROGRAM.
BUT I THINK ALSO AFTER SPEAKING WITH ISAAC, I THINK THEY OFFER SOME GRANTS.
UM, SO I WOULD SUGGEST SPEAKING WITH THEM AGAIN.
UM, IS THE VINEYARD GONE LAST TIME YOU GUYS HAD TALKED ABOUT VINEYARDS? POSSIBLY.
AND THAT WAS ADJUSTED TO TWO GROUPS OF ORCHARDS.
AND THEN UNDER SUSTAINABILITY, UM, UNDERWATER, I DIDN'T NOTICE MENTION AND I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, REGARDING SMART METERS AND RAIN SENSORS, I ASSUME THAT'LL BE IMPLEMENTED AS WELL.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE OVERALL VERY IMPRESSED.
CAN I PIG ME PIGGYBACK ONE ITEM, UH, EV CHARGING AT ALL? YES.
WHAT, WHAT LEVEL ARE THE, UH, CHARGING GONNA BE? DO YOU KNOW? IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IRONING OUT THOSE DETAILS.
UH, WE WILL HAVE CHARGING FOR THE VARIOUS ELECTRIC CARS, TELL TESLA OR OTHER, IT APPEARS THAT TESLA IS STARTING TO DOMINATE EVEN THAT MARKET.
SO WE'LL LET TIME TELL, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY COMMITTED TO THE QUANTITY OF CHARGING STATIONS.
I HAD ONE MORE COMMENT ACTUALLY.
YOU HAD ASKED OUR OPINION REGARDING THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.
UM, I'M NOT SURE TOO MANY PEOPLE COMMENTED ON IT YET, BUT I, UM, AM IN MUCH MORE SUPPORT OF MAINTAINING AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA CREATE SHADING AND, YOU KNOW, PROTECTION FROM SEEING THE BUILDINGS.
UM, MY OPINION ON THE PATH SINCE YOU REMINDED US THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN OPINION, UH, IS ALSO TO MAINTAIN TREES WHILE ALSO BEING AWARE OF, UM, PEDESTRIANS WHO MAY NOT BE AS ABLE AS OTHERS.
IF, IF IT'S NOT GONNA STRICTLY MEET ADA MEETING, THE HOPES OF ADA WOULD BE APPRECIATIVE, UM, AND KEEPING PEDESTRIANS SAFE.
'CAUSE IT, IT DOES, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU FEEL A LOT SAFER AS A PEDESTRIAN ON A WIDER PATH THAN YOU DO ON A THREE FOOT.
UM, AND THAT'S A NARROW DRIVE AREA ALREADY.
SO, UH, THE INTENTION FOR KEEPING TREES WHILE ALSO PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS, AND I'M SURE ANYTHING BUILT WILL BE BUILT WITH THAT IN MIND.
UM, AND THEN OTHER THAN A LOT OF MINE WAS ALSO TAKEN, I HAVE TWO, TWO THOUGHTS AND THAT'S IT.
UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, SOLAR FOR ELECTRIC CAPTURE FOR A LOT OF THE SYSTEMS. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ON HOW MUCH SOLAR YOU'LL CAPTURE? UM, 'CAUSE YOU JUST MENTIONED, I REMEMBER LAST MEETING IT WAS JUST ON ONE BUILDING AND YOU, YOU DIDN'T CLARIFY WHICH BUILDINGS YOU HAVE PLANNED FOR SOLAR.
UM, IS IT JUST FOR IRRIGATION PURPOSES? IS IT GOING TO FEED THE RESTAURANT?
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DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SOLAR YOU'RE GONNA PLAN ON CAPTURING ISH? YEAH, SOWE HAVE, WE'VE INCREASED IT TO FIVE SIGNIFICANT ROOFS.
UM, AND THERE IT'S IN OUR, UH, IT WAS IN OUR LATEST PACKAGE AND WE'LL CLARIFY THAT FURTHER.
UM, IT IS IN THAT SUSTAINABILITY REPORT MM-HMM.
UH, SO WE WILL TAKE YOUR COMMENT IN AND WITH THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE ON THE FIVE AND ANY RESPONSE, WE WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION.
JUST IDEAS ON WHAT IT POTENTIALLY COULD RUN.
UM, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED IS YOU GUYS ARE EXCITED TO PROVIDE BIKES FOR BOTH STAFF AND, AND PEOPLE.
UM, WHAT TYPE OF BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE DO YOU HAVE ON PROPERTY? UM, IF WE'RE AT, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS? 9, 9 90, THAT MEANS YOU NEED NINE BARK BIKE PARKING SPOTS FOR, UM, CODE.
ARE YOU GONNA EXCEED THAT? IF YOU'RE GONNA OWN MORE THAN NINE BIKES, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ROUTES WHERE YOU'RE NOT HAVING PEDESTRIAN BIKE? LIKE WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AROUND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE? IF YOU'RE GONNA LEAN HEAVY ON IT FOR BOTH, BECAUSE I BROUGHT THIS UP AT OUR LAST MEETING, BIKING AROUND THERE IS REALLY SCARY.
AND SO I JUST, I'M HOPING IT'S BEING THOUGHT ABOUT
IT IS DEFINITELY EXCEED THE REQUIREMENT AND WEIGHT.
OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT CAN COMMENT ON SOME LOCATIONS.
WE HAVE A COUPLE, UH, LOCATIONS, BUT 28.
THAT'S REALLY ALL I THINK I KNOW, AND I DO, I APPRECIATE, UM, YOU GUYS BOTH RUSHING THE
UM, SPECIFICALLY I MOSTLY TALKED ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY IN OUR LAST MEETING AND, UM, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE CERTIFICATIONS GETTING, UH, WANTED.
AND, AND I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO, EVEN IN THOSE ROOMS WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING FOR LEAD AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO REALLY TAKE THE PRINCIPLES THAT YOU CAN APPLY AND APPLY THEM THERE AS WELL.
UM, AND THIS IS FOR MR. OLSSON.
UM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO APPROACH THE CITY IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UM, PROPERTY SEEKING PROPERTY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS ALSO A REFERENCE TO VAN POOLING AS AN OPTION.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING A VAN POOL OR SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE A VAN POOL THAT AND YOU'D HAVE A LIST? YEAH, SO WE TYPICALLY DO HAVE A HOTEL SHUTTLE AND IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE BASED ON A TIMETABLE TO PICK UP GROUPS OF GUESTS INSTEAD OF, UH, TAXING INDIVIDUAL GUESTS, WHICH WOULD NOT, UH, IMPROVE THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC.
SO DEFINITELY A ELECTRIC VAN AS, OR SORRY, ELECTRIC SHUTTLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE VAN POOLING WOULD BE PART, PART OF OUR TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT REPORT AND STUDY.
UH, THIS REPORT WOULD BE GIVEN TO OUR OPERATIONAL GROUP, UH, TO COMMIT TO.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE A, A LEAD, UH, MANAGER.
AND ONE OF, ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO, UH, CREATE VAN POOL ACCOMMODATIONS AND COMMUTING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
THE OPERATOR WOULD PROVIDE THE VAN POOL IN THEORY, YES.
OR, OR IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD ACT AS, AS THE DRIVER AND WOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR THAT EFFORT.
JOE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, I WANTED TO ASK ON THE SCHLEY, UH, CFA, DOES IT SPECIFY WHAT TYPE OF SIDEWALKS THAT THEY ARE DESIRING IN THAT AREA? ARE THEY RE DO THEY WANT A 10 FOOT? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT WE CAN GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU.
IT'S NOT, I BELIEVE THE CFA RECOMMENDS PERMEABLE.
OH YEAH, IT DEFINITELY RECOMMENDS THE SURFACE.
I'M JUST NOT SURE ON THE, IF IT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THE WIDTH, I DON'T REMEMBER WIDTH.
BUT, BUT THE STEPS PLAN DOES RECOMMEND A WIDTH, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AS A CITY, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY GOING FOR THE MINIMUM EIGHT, IDEALLY 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATHS RATHER THAN FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON EACH SIDE.
AND DOES THE CITY HAVE AN OPINION ON, UM, PERMEABLE SURFACE VERSUS HARDSCAPE? I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION HERE.
I THINK PERMEABLE WOULD BE GREAT.
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LIKE, YOU KNOW, DECOMPOSED, GRANITE PERMEABLE, UM, PAVERS, THINGS, YOU KNOW, HIGH USE PLACES LIKE THUNDER MOUNTAIN, THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION FOR CONCRETE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MORE RIGID BECAUSE OF THE USE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES.BUT I THINK, AND THE CA PLAN FOR THIS AREA REALLY FOCUSED ON MAINTAINING THE AGRICULTURAL HISTORY OF THE AREA.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT RECOMMENDS PERMEABLE PAVERS AND THE GRAVEL PATHWAYS.
BUT YEAH, I, I WOULD NEED TO CHECK ON THE WIDTH IF THE CFA SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PEDESTRIAN FLOW IN TERMS OF NUMBERS IN THAT AREA, OR WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS GENERATES OR WHAT TOURISTS GENERATE FROM THE TRAILHEAD UP AT? WE COULD GET SOME INFORMATION FROM CYNTHIA FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME WE COME AROUND.
'CAUSE SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY VERY INVOLVED IN THE C FFA, BUT FROM WHAT I REMEMBER HER TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S UM, PEOPLE GOING AT THE RV PARK MM-HMM.
UM, BUT, UH, THERE'S NOT MANY OTHER PATHS, BUT A LOT OF THE C FFA WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING IN THIS AREA HAVE A SAFE PATH DOWN TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA SO THAT THEY CAN LEAVE THEIR CARS.
AND SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THESE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WILL HELP ENCOURAGE PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM FEEL SAFER WHILE WALKING INTO, SO IT WOULD BE INCREASED.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF VOLUME.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE TIA REALLY SPOKE TO THE PEDESTRIANS.
HOWEVER, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO MY RIGHT OF WAY DEPARTMENT AND SEE IF WE CAN PLACE COUNTERS OR IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET THE LIVE COUNTS RIGHT NOW.
SO WE DO HAVE CHOICE, UM, AS TO WIDTH, UM, AS TO SURFACE MATERIAL.
YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT SPECIFIC WIDTH, BUT THERE IS A FOCUS ON SETTING IT BACK ENOUGH FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
A QUICK QUESTION FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
SO ON SANBORN WHERE WE HAVE A WALKWAY, UH, WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, IT'S WELL MAINTAINED WHERE THERE'S NO ONE LIVING THERE, IT'S NOW WEEDS, UH, WHERE THEY HAVE THE GRAVEL.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHO'S WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THIS? MM-HMM.
MAINLY BECAUSE HOTELS HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE CITY WOULD HAVE.
UM, WHERE THE, AND THEY'RE ONSITE, THEY HAVE THE, THE ONSITE PRESENCE, THEY HAVE THE PEOPLE THERE, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS LIMITED MAINTENANCE WORKERS WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING AND PULLING WEEDS IN EVERY STREET FRONTAGE ALL THE TIME.
AND SO A NUMBER OF HOTELS DO HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY TO MAINTAIN THEIR LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO TO THE DEVELOPER, IS THIS YOUR INTENT TO ENTER INTO SUCH AN AGREEMENT? YES.
WE WOULD WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT.
I MEAN, WE JUST HEARING WEEDS GROWING
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UM, COULD YOU NAME THE, UM, MEETING ROOMS FOR US AND THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN ALSO WHAT DO YOU ENVISION WOULD BE MEETING IN THERE? YES.
THE, SO ESSENTIALLY TWO MEETING FACILITIES.
OUR, OUR MAIN MEETING ROOM WOULD BE LOCATED HERE AND OUR GREENHOUSE MEETING ROOM, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE A BOARD ROOM OF OTHER TYPES OF HOTELS THAT WE HAVE, BUT A SMALLER, MORE UNIQUE ENGAGING MEETING SPACE.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? 1,900 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE TAKING PLACE IN THOSE MEETING ROOMS? WHAT DO YOU ENVISION? WELL, WE CAN, IN TERMS OF EVENTS, SMALL, UH, IN THE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY SMALL MEETING ROOMS. WE STARTED WITH I BELIEVE ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET.
WE'VE PAIRED THAT DOWN, UM, UH, BASED ON INPUT BOTH FROM, UM, THE COMMUNITY AND,
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UH, EVEN OUR OWN INPUT FROM WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE.SO IT WOULD BE SMALL MEETING GROUPS.
UH, THESE ARE YOUR DURING, YOU KNOW, EXECUTIVE RETREATS DURING THE WEEK.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE, IF WE DO A WEDDING, IT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY NOT VERY BIG WEDDING.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR IT.
UM, BUT, UH, SOCIAL EVENTS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A BAR MITZVAH, IT COULD HAVE BIRTHDAY PARTY, UM, YOU KNOW, SMALL, SMALLER MEETINGS WE JUST WOULDN'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR.
AND IF THAT WEDDING WERE TO TAKE PLACE BOTH INSIDE AND OUTDOORS, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? NEAR THE RESTAURANT? NO, IT WOULD BE RIGHT HERE IN THAT, UM, OPEN AREA.
UH, DID YOU CONSULT WITH THE HOUSING STAFF PERSON HERE ON STAFF? WE DID NOT, NO.
SO HAVE THE GUIDELINES FOR, UM, AFFORDABILITY BEEN SHARED WITH YOU AND OR ARE YOU KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THEM? NO.
SO IN GENERAL, UM, THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY EXCEPTIONS TO ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BASED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO IF IT IS, UM, WE WOULD ALL ENCOURAGE YOU THEN TO, UM, SIT DOWN WITH THE HOUSING, A DESIGNATED HOUSING PERSON AND, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT AFFORDABILITY OR WORKFORCE MEANS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WHETHER THERE'LL BE MARKET RATE OR WILL THEY BE TRULY WORKFORCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? OH, THEY'LL BE FOR OUR, UH, EMPLOYEES, OUR ASSOCIATES FOR SURE.
WE WOULDN'T RENT THEM OUT AND IT WOULD NOT BE MARKET TO THE MARKET.
IT WOULD BE FOR OUR, OUR ASSOCIATES.
AND THEY, AND WHAT DO THEY, DO THEY RANGE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE OR ARE THEY ALL THREE 50 OR SOMETHING? UH, THE AVERAGE IS THREE 50.
THE LARGEST UNIT IS AN ADA UNIT.
THUS BEING LARGER BECAUSE OF THE CLEARANCES AN EXTRA AREA.
UM, I THINK HOLLY A A LOT ABOUT TREES WHEN WE WERE ON SITE.
I'M SORRY, I CAN I DO A LITTLE FOLLOW UP JUST TO YES, YES.
UM, WHERE I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FILL THEM WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE AWARE OF FAIR HOUSING SAYING THAT YOU WON'T RENT OUTSIDE OF EMPLOYEES FOR THE NATIONAL FAIR HOUSING LAWS.
I'M SURE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FILL 'EM WITH, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZE.
I WON'T SPEAK TO THE LAW, BUT JUST WHEN DISCUSSING THEM, I UNDERSTAND.
THE, THERE'S SOME RULES ABOUT HOUSING AND, AND WHO HAS ACCESS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THOSE THINGS.
UM, YOU HAVE SELECTED A COUPLE, UH, HISTORICAL FEATURES ON THE COMBINED, UM, EIGHT PARCELS.
UM, INCLUDING THE, UH, IRRIGATION DITCH.
AND BECAUSE THIS IS THE HERITAGE OAK, YOU KNOW, OAK CREEK HERITAGE, UH, SITE, THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT DRAW, THAT DRAW, UH, HISTORY FROM, AND THAT INCLUDES THE AGRICULTURAL HISTORY THAT REALLY ANCHORED THESE PARCELS ORIGINALLY.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDED, UM, THE FARLEY FAMILY AND THE STEEL FAMILY AND THEIR LEGACY WAS FRUIT FARMING.
SO THERE ARE STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, ONE OF WHICH, UM, STILL SPEAKS TO THAT ERA AND THAT HISTOR UH, THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT, UM, YOU WOULD DEMOLISH THESE, OR THE ONE THAT I'M THINKING OF MOST, UM, STRONGLY AND THEREFORE PUT UP AND THEN PUT UP A PLAQUE THAT THIS USED TO STAND HERE.
BASICALLY, THIS WAS WHERE THIS HISTORY TOOK PLACE.
THIS IS WHERE THE ORCHARD WAS.
UM, PEOPLE LIVED HERE, FARMED HERE, AND, UH, WE'LL RECOGNIZE 'EM WITH A PLAQUE.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER RETAINING THE PARS THE, UH, STRUCTURE THAT'S, I THINK IT'S AT 65 SNE,
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IT'S THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE CREEK.UM, IT WAS BUILT WHAT, 70, 80 YEARS AGO.
IT DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARDS, UM, FOR HAVING COMPLETE INTEGRITY TO BE LISTED AS A, A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK.
BUT YOUR PROJECT IS DRAWING FROM ADJACENT, UH, LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS, BUT NOT THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY SITS THERE.
SO, UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE DOING THAT.
YOU'RE BRINGING IN THOSE MATERIALS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZING THAT SOME OF THIS VERNACULAR YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO EXPRESS.
UM, BUT YOU, YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE VERY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY THAT SPEAKS TO THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE THERE AND GREW FRUIT TREES.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE ARE SOME, SOME OF YOUR USES, UM, IN, IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, WE LOOK TO REUSE, RETAIN, REUSE, PRESERVE, AND YOU CAN FIND NEW USES FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS.
OBVIOUSLY AROUND THE CORNER IS ONE OF THE FIRST RETAIL STORES IN SEDONA, WHICH, UM, THE HEART STORE, WHICH CONTINUED AS A RETAIL, UH, OPERATION.
SO, UM, PLEASE TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY.
PERHAPS THERE'S ONE OF THE OTHER USES THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE GREENHOUSE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD BE REPURPOSED IN THAT STRUCTURE, BUT WE WOULD LOOK TO BE RETAINING THE EXTERIOR INTEGRITY.
UH, THE INTERIOR, UM, COULD BE, UM, REPURPOSED IN SOME OTHER PURPOSE THAT WOULD SERVE, SERVE THE HOTEL.
DID YOU, DID YOU EVALUATE THAT? UM, OPPORTUNITY? UH, WE DO HAVE UHHUH, THE HISTORIC RESOURCE, RESOURCE SURVEYS RIGHT.
AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
UNDERSTAND, AND, AND WE'LL WE WILL DISCUSS THIS INTERNALLY FURTHER.
UM, YOU DID IT ON ALL OF THE ASSETS ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS REALLY COMMENDABLE.
AND SO YOU HAVE THAT HISTORY AVAILABLE TO YOU TO TELL CORRECT.
UH, IN THE DITCH IN THE PUMP HOUSES.
AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THOSE FOUR ELEMENTS WERE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED YES.
AS HISTORIC ELEMENTS TO RIGHT.
BUT THE, THE 65 RESIDENTS WASN'T ACCORDING TO THE HISTORIAN AND THE SURVEY.
SAY THAT AGAIN? IT WASN'T WHAT, IT WASN'T LABELED AS AS HISTORICALLY RESOURCE RELEVANT BASED ON HOW MUCH IT'S BEEN ALTERED OVER TIME.
IT HAS BEEN, IT HAS AND, AND A LOT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES HAVE THAT HAPPEN OVER TIME.
AND IT ALSO WASN'T RECOMMENDED FOR, UH, LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK STATUS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T ROB IT OF ITS HISTORIC RELEVANCE TO THE SITE AND ITS IMPORTANCE IN STORYTELLING.
UM, SO I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT.
WE ABSOLUTELY RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
SO I HAVE, UM, FOUR, UM, A HANDFUL OF CARDS.
UH, ONE, TWO, OH, I ONLY HAVE THREE ACTUALLY.
SO I'M GONNA CALL THESE IN THE ORDER.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, PULL THAT MIC DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I LIVE ON SCHNEBEL HILL ROAD AND I LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROBLEM I STILL SEE IS TRAFFIC.
IT ISN'T 4.9 SECONDS, IT'S MORE LIKE 15 MINUTES
SO WITHOUT THAT, YOU'RE GONNA BRING IN 70 MORE GUESTS.
I WOULD TAKE OVER 140 PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIVE HERE THAT KNOW HOW TO DO A ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE GET THERE.
IF THERE'S A MOTOR HOME THERE, I'M THERE 10 MINUTES, MAYBE 15 MM-HMM
AND I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF BARE WALL.
SO THE TRAFFIC IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN.
YOU CAN'T BRING IN 70 NEW GUESTS AND NOT EXPECT IT'S GONNA BE ANY BETTER.
IT'S AN F IT'S NEVER GONNA CHANGE
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UNTIL THIS IS ADDRESSED.I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS EVEN FEASIBLE.
UM, THIS WHOLE THING WAS SOLD ON CHANGE IT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON TWO THINGS THAT WERE GOOD.
ONE WAS TO BE A BIKE PATH BECAUSE IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.
THAT ROAD IS DARK, THERE'S NO LIGHTS, THERE'S NOTHING.
SO THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING TO GET THERE IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
THE OTHER PART WAS THE RIVER WALK.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S BEING BACKPEDALED TO ME.
OH, MAYBE WE'LL GET AN EASEMENT.
MAYBE WE'LL GET SOMETHING ACROSS THE CREEK SOMEDAY.
THAT WAS A BIG FOCAL POINT BACK THEN.
AND ALL I SEE IS NOW MAYBE WHEN EASEMENT, MAYBE WE'LL GET EVERYBODY ON THE PATH.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME THEN.
THAT WAS A BIG SELLING POINT OF THE WHOLE THING.
SO MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS SAFETY.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD AN EMERGENCY OR MY WIFE HAD AN EMERGENCY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET TO US.
NOW THE PARKING IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU PUT THE NEW COFFEE POT OR THE COFFEE, UM, SHOP DOWN THERE, THAT LITTLE SHOP THAT HAS HARDLY ANY SEATS IN IT, THAT AREA RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN TIME TO GO THERE AND THEY HAVE GREAT COFFEE IS I SUGGESTED DO THAT.
THAT WHOLE AREA IS JUST CONGESTIVE IN.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GET AROUND.
IT ACTUALLY BLOCKS THE INTERSECTION SOMETIMES.
SO WHEN YOU PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER WITH ALL THE RESTAURANT AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE HERE UNTIL WE FIX THIS TRAFFIC PROBLEM, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
AND ANYWHERE YOU GO, I DON'T CARE IF YOU GO TO WEST SEDONA, I DON'T GO, IF YOU GO TO THE VILLAGE, IT, IT ISN'T THERE.
THE CROSSWALK THAT'S GOING UNDERNEATH THERE, UNLESS YOU TAKE OUT THE CROSSWALK THAT GOES ACROSS FROM OCK ACROSS THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM STARTS, STOPS TRAFFIC CONTINUOUSLY.
AND IF YOU DON'T TAKE THAT OUT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA WALK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET THAT IS DOWN TO GO UNDER A BRIDGE TO COME BACK AROUND WHERE THEY CAN WALK ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE ANY OF THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT STOPS THE TRAFFIC.
UM, THE OTHER CONSIDERATION, IF YOU DON'T HAVE EMPLOYEE HOUSING IN THIS TOWN.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA PROBABLY LOOK AT USING THE PARK FOR PEOPLE TO PARK THAT WORK HERE BECAUSE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY CULTURE PARK IS GONNA TURN INTO WHAT A HOMELESS CENTER.
I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING INTO AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY CONGESTED.
I MEAN, THIS WEEKEND ALONE, IF YOU HAVEN'T LIVED HERE, FINISH YOUR THOUGHT IS TRAFFIC.
YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING WITH TRAFFIC.
UH, PANDORA HARRIS, PRETTY MUCH GOING TO, HI, I'M PANDORA HARRIS AND I LIVE ON SNOWY, JUST UP ON 2 8 7 ON THE RIGHT HAND.
AND BESIDES THE TRAFFIC THAT THE 90 CAR OR 90 PARKING, UH, CARS THAT THEY SUPPOSEDLY HAVE, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE THAN 90.
I KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT A RESTAURANT, YOU GOT A SPA, YOU'VE GOT, UH, THE JEEPS COMING IN TO PICK PEOPLE UP.
YOU HAVE, UM, THE VANS COMING IN TO TAKE 'EM ON TOURS.
I MEAN, THERE'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE MORE PEOPLE THAN 9 90, 90 CARS.
ALSO, I'M ON THE OHV COMMITTEE AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THIS WEEKEND THERE WILL BE AT LEAST THREE TO 400 CARS GOING UP UB HILL ROAD.
WE'VE ACTUALLY, UM, COUNTED THEM VIA, UM, TRACKERS.
SO, I MEAN, THE, THE MAIN THING IS THE, THE ACTUAL RESORT ITSELF LOOKS WONDERFUL, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T WORK.
AND IT TAKES US A HALF AN HOUR TO GET HERE TODAY WHEN WE GO TO THE VILLAGE, IT'S 40 MINUTES MINIMUM IF WE GO AFTER 10 O'CLOCK.
SO ADDING 70 OR 90 CARDS PLUS THE OH FEES PLUS EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S GONNA BE COMING THERE, IT, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, IT JUST ISN'T.
UH, BUT I DO HAVE TO SAY JUST FOR YOUR OWN, I, I REALLY LIKE THE THOUGHT.
I LIKE ALL THE THOUGHT PROCESSING THAT WENT INTO IT, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK 'CAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.
AND WE, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE WERE SOLD ON IS THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A CREEK BLOCK AND THE DEVELOPER WAS GONNA PROVIDE THAT.
THAT'S NOT HAPPENING IN THIS SCENARIO.
AND ALSO THE NOISE FROM THE, UM, THE MEETING CENTER THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE THE ROAD, THAT BASICALLY IS, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THAT FROM OUR HOUSE.
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IF THEY HAVE MUSIC PLAYING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE I HEAR IT FROM AKA P SO, AND I HEAR IT FROM OVER OFFICE CIRCLE K WHEN THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, SCREAM TOO MUCH GETTING IN THE SWIMMING POOL.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
ANN KELLY OF SEDONA RESIDENT AND A
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MEMBER OF SEDONA RESIDENCE UNITE.I HAVE ONE ISSUE TO TALK ABOUT.
DURING THE SITE VISIT THIS MORNING, CARRIE MEYER SAID TO MY FRIEND THAT THE REFERENCE IN THE SCH NIBLEY CFA REGARDING COTTAGES AND CABINS IS ONLY ILLUSTRATIVE AND NOT REQUIRED.
SO I KNOW I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, ASK QUESTIONS, BUT I I JUST WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REST OF THE CFA, THE ONLY PLACE YOU FIND THE WORD ILLUSTRATIVE IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN GUIDELINES.
IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING ILLUSTRATES THE DESIRED CHARACTER IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION, IT SAYS PERMITTED USES.
THAT SOUNDS PRETTY FIRM TO ME.
PERMITTED USES LODGING STYLES SUPPORTED INCLUDE SMALL DESIGNER HOTELS, BED AND BREAKFAST INNS, COTTAGES, BUNGALOWS, AND ALTERNATIVE LODGING TYPES, INCLUDING CABINS.
WELL, I MEAN, THEY, THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME TONIGHT CALLING IT CABINS AND THEY FOCUSED IN ON THOSE LITTLE ONES IN THE FRONT.
BUT THE ONES IN THE BACK TELL ME, THIS IS A CABIN.
I MEAN, THERE'S PICTURES IN THE CFA, THERE'S SIX OF 'EM.
I DIDN'T WANT TO RUIN ALL MY PRINTER INK, BUT THEY'RE LITTLE CABINS.
THE CFA DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN HAVE LARGE BUILDINGS AS LONG AS YOU CAN'T SEE THEM FROM THE ROAD.
I DON'T, DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THERE.
AND ACFA IS A VISION OF WHAT YOU WANT.
SO TO POINT TO THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT AROUND AND SAY THERE'S A TWO STORY, THERE'S A TWO STORY, THERE'S A TWO STORY THAT HAS NO RELATION.
THE CFA IS LOOKING FORWARD AS TO WHAT THE VISION IS OF HOW YOU WANT TO USE THE PROPERTY.
UM, I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, DON'T HAVE TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THE HOMELESSNESS AND PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS.
I DON'T HAVE TO FOR THAT ONE EITHER.
I DO WANNA MENTION, YOU KNOW, AS WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DESIGNING THIS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUTTING SHORT TERM RENTALS IN, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE NOW HAVE 1100 SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THERE'S STILL, THERE'S MORE PARKING, I MEAN MORE HOTEL ROOMS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAN THERE ARE IN THE TRADITIONAL LODGING.
AND THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS GO FOR $300 A NIGHT.
UH, THEY ARE AT ABOUT A 70 PLUS PERCENT OCCUPANCY AND OUR TRADITIONAL LODGING IS DOWN IN THE SIXTIES.
YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SPECIAL PEOPLE WILL COME TO YOUR HOTEL, BUT WE'RE GETTING PRETTY SATURATED WITH, UH, HOTEL ROOMS. THAT'S IT.
SO LET'S, UH, TAKE A, UM, 15 MINUTE BREAK AND RETURN AT, UH, 7 0 5.
IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYONE? ALRIGHT, WE'RE ADJOURN OR WE'RE RECESSED? WE'RE RECESSED.
WE START THE MEETING AT SEVEN 10.
THANK YOU COMMISSION FOR ALL OF THE QUESTIONS AND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM FOR RE YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, MR. WACK HAS ASKED FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS, UM, THE ACOUSTICS AND THE NOISE THAT MIGHT BE GENERATED FROM THE SITE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND DAY-TO-DAY ROUTINE ITEMS. SO IF YOU'LL DO THAT QUICKLY AND PROCEED NOW.
HELLO, MY NAME IS SAMUEL HORDE.
I'M THE ACOUSTICAL CONSULTANT WORKING WITH ARTIE OLSSON ON THIS PROJECT.
MY BACKGROUND IS IN PHYSICS AND MECHANICAL ENGINEERING.
I GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE IN MECHANICAL ENGINEERING, SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON ACOUSTICS.
UH, OUR APPROACH AS WE LOOK AT THE SOUND IMPACT FOR A WEDDING OR FOR AN EVENT VENUE SUCH AS THIS IS, IS A SCIENTIFIC APPROACH.
UM, WE'VE MEASURED COUNTLESS EVENTS AND, UM, OPERATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE, IN THE HOSPITALITY SPACE.
AND SO WE HAVE, UM, AN EXACT KNOWLEDGE OF, OF HOW LOUD THESE EVENTS TEND TO BE.
AND WE'RE ABLE TO INPUT THAT INTO A COMPUTER PROGRAM KNOWN AS SOUND PLAN THAT, UM, SHOWS HOW THE SOUND WILL PROPAGATE TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
MM-HMM,
UM, THIS SITE IN PARTICULAR IS INTERESTING AS IT, THE ELEVATION GOES DOWN TOWARDS THE CREEK AND THEN UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SEDLEY HILL ROAD AS YOU'RE AWARE.
AND SO AFTER EVALUATING THE, THE, UM, THE EVENT SPACE AND THE LOCATION HERE ON THE SITE, WE PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE DESIGN TEAM HOW TO KEEP THE OPERATIONS WITHIN THE ALLOWABLE LIMITS IN THE SEDONA,
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UM, NOISE ORDINANCE AND THE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WILL HELP TO MITIGATE THE SOUND, UH, RANGE FROM EVERYTHING FROM, FROM SOUND BARRIERS, UM, SUCH AS RETAINING WALLS OR SOUND BARRIER WALLS TO THE SOUND SYSTEM THAT'S SELECTED ITSELF.ONE OF THE EASIEST, ONE OF THE BEST SOLUTIONS FOR EVENT, EVENT VENUES, SUCH AS THIS IS SOMEWHAT COUNTERINTUITIVE.
IT'S ACTUALLY TO ADD MORE LOUD SPEAKERS, YOU THINK, OH, MORE LOUD SPEAKERS, MORE NOISE, BUT MORE LOUD SPEAKERS MEANS THAT EACH SPEAKER HAS TO THROW FOR LESS DISTANCE.
IF YOU HAVE A 30 FOOT DANCE FLOOR, YOU HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON ONE END OF IT AND YOU WANT TO COVER THAT WHOLE AREA, THE SPEAKERS HAVE TO THROW 30 FEET.
IF YOU HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON ONE END, TWO SPEAKERS ON THE OTHER END, ALL OF THE SPEAKERS ONLY HAVE TO THROW 15 FEET.
SO THE EFFECT TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY LESS NOISE.
AND SO THE DES UH, THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS INCORPORATED THESE DESIGN ELEMENTS TO KEEP THE DESIGN WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE SEDONA NOISE ORDINANCE.
UH, AND ALSO AS BOB POINTED OUT EARLIER, THE HO IT'S IN THE HOTEL'S INTEREST FOR THEIR OWN GUESTS TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT.
AND SO OPERATIONALLY THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT MEASURES AS WELL TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
ANY QUESTIONS HERE ON ACOUSTICS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, DID YOU HAVE CONCLUDING REMARKS? WELL, WE DID HAVE, UH, A QUESTION AND I'D LIKE FOR ERIC TO, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUILDING THAT WE WERE, UH, REFERRING TO EARLIER.
UM, I'M ERIC BRANDT, UH, CONSULTING ARCHITECT FOR THE TEAM AND, UH, CHAIR LEVIN.
WE WERE, UH, CONSIDERING THE UM, UH, REQUEST THAT YOU HAD FOR PRESERVING THE HISTORIC BUILDING AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE KNEW WHICH BUILDING YOU WERE SPEAKING OF.
SO CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? OH, SURE.
THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE KIND OF LINE UP ON THAT.
UH, EAST WEST ACCESS, KIND OF SORTA THE, THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE CREEK, WHICH WAS THE HOMESTEAD.
THAT'S ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY.
AND ARE THE TWO RED HOUSES? YES.
I'M SORRY, I WASN'T CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
SHALL WE WRAP IT UP? ANY CONCLUDING REMARKS? DON'T FEEL FORCED TO MAKE THEM
WE TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND STAFF'S TIME.
CARRIE, UH, HANAH WHO'VE WORKED WITH US FACE TO FACE TO IRON OUT MANY DETAILS.
AND IT'S BEEN A VERY PRODUCTIVE JOURNEY AND WE'RE EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT AND THE CONCEPT THAT WE'RE OFFERING AND THE CITY.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR WHOLE TEAM
SO, UH, WE WILL CLOSE THAT ITEM IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO IT.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
YOU WON'T DISTURB US IF YOU WANT TO EXIT AT THIS POINT, BUT I JUST ASK THAT YOU DON'T TALK ON THE WAY OUT UNTIL YOU GET OUT TO THE LOBBY OR AREA.
[7. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
GOING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS, CARRIE.UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED IN DECEMBER.
UM, THE FIRST MEETING OF JANUARY, IT'D BE JANUARY 2ND, WHICH GIVEN THE HOLIDAY SCHEDULES, WE LIKELY WOULDN'T HAVE SOMETHING READY.
JUST BECAUSE, SO THAT'S UNLIKELY.
BUT WE WILL CONFIRM IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE JANUARY 16TH, WHICH IS SCHEDULED AS A COMMUNITY PLAN WORK SESSION.
AND THEN YOU SHOULD, AS STEVE MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, BE LOOKING OUT FOR, UM, CYNTHIA TO REACH OUT TO MM-HMM
AND THEN, UM, SCHEDULING SOME ONE-ON-ONE OR TWO-ON-ONE MEETINGS.
SO THE 16TH WILL BE THE COMMUNITY PLAN ONLY.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU REALLY WANNA PUT TOO MUCH ELSE ON THAT.
YEAH, IT'S UM, ON A PRETTY TIGHT TIMEFRAME, SO WE WANNA GIVE IT THE, THE TIME IT DESERVES.
I WAS WRITING ALL OVER
ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, ON THE, UM, OH, ON THE PLANNING MEETING, IS THERE, WHEN WE DO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLAN,
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IS THERE GONNA BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CON HAVE ANOTHER PLANNING SESSION OR DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING IN THAT ONE MEETING? SO YOU ARE SCHEDULED FOR A WORK SESSION, THE SECOND MEETING OF JANUARY BEING A WORK SESSION AND THE SECOND MEETING OF FEBRUARY BEING THE PUBLIC HEARING.UM, SO SIMILAR TO TONIGHT, THAT FIRST MEETING WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT CYNTHIA AND STEVE KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN THE MONTH BETWEEN THOSE TWO MEETINGS.
CARRIE, CAN I, CAN I ALSO ASK, UH, IS THERE ANY WAY WE GET A HARD COPY OF THE DRAFT? YEAH.
BECAUSE JUST GOING THROUGH DIGITAL VERSIONS ARE, YEAH.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE DULY NOTED.
YEAH, MAYBE BUT NOT FIND IT, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW PASSIONATE.
WELL, WE'LL PASS THAT ON TO CYNTHIA.
UH, WE'LL ADJOURN AT SEVEN 17.
THANK YOU ALL AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYONE SINCE WE WON'T BE MEETING IN DECEMBER.
AND CHRISTMAS AND CHRISTMAS AND HANUKKAH NEW YEAR.