* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] WE GOOD? READY? OKAY. WE'LL BE CALLING THE ME COUNCIL [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WE SHOULD STAND ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. OKAY. NOW WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ [2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART] THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. HERE. COUNCILOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FURMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. THANK YOU MADAM CLERK. OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT INTO THIS EXCITING GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE. WE HAVE NANCY LATTANZI WHO'RE GOING TO, WHO'S GOING TO DISCUSS THIS FABULOUS, EXCITING MOMENT OF ART. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. I AM VERY EXCITED. I WANTED THE LAST MOMENT OF ART FOR 2023 TO BE EXTRA SPECIAL. AND YOU CAN SEE I'VE DELIVERED . SO, SO ANYWAY, I WANNA, I WANNA INTRODUCE THE SEDONA COMMUNITY YOUTH ORCHESTRA, AND THEY'RE GONNA DO TWO SHORT SONGS AND MY INTRO'S A LITTLE LONGER BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS GROUP IN SEDONA. I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEM AND IT'S EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE. SO THE ORGANIZATION IS AFFILIATED AND WORK AND WORKS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CHAMBER MUSIC. SEDONA. IT'S DEDICATED TO PROVIDING YOUNG ORCHESTRAL STRING MUSICIANS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE. THEY ARE GRANTED OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF MUSIC THROUGH STUDYING AND PERFORMING DIVERSE REPERTOIRE FOR STRING ORCHESTRA AND CHAMBER MUSIC ENSEMBLES, PRIVATE AND SMALL GROUP MUSIC INSTRUCTION IS PROVIDED TO INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPANTS BY VIRTUE OF GEOGRAPHY. THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN OUR RURAL COMMUNITY OF SEDONA AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS HAVE LIMITED ACCESS TO ROBUST MUSIC, TO PERFORMING ARTS AND CULTURAL ENRICHMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY CULTIVATED FOR THEIR NEEDS. SCYO EXISTS TO CHANGE JUST THAT. THERE ARE TWO LEVELS OFFERED. THE PRELUDE ORCHESTRA, WHICH CONSISTS OF 10 MEMBERS, AND THE CONCERT ORCHESTRA, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS 17 MEMBERS AND THEY'RE HOPING FOR 20 IN THE SPRING. THE SEDONA COMMUNITY YOUTH ORCHESTRA PROVIDES EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMANCE EXPERIENCES AND TRAINING TO A WIDE RANGE OF STUDENTS WITH VARYING MUSICAL DEVELOPMENT AND SKILL SETS. SCYO IS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF TWO PROFESSIONAL MUSIC EDUCATORS. CHRISTINA BEEL, WHO SENT HER REGRETS OR MAY COME FLYING THROUGH THE DOOR. WE DON'T KNOW. SHE HAD SOME ANOTHER COMMITMENT. AND COURTNEY YATES ARE CONDUCTORS. BOTH ARE PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS WHOSE COMBINED EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION AND PERFORMANCE. PERFORMANCE EXCEEDS MORE THAN 60 YEARS. I'M ADDING THIS. COURTNEY IS ALSO A GRAMMY NOMINATED CONDUCTOR TEACHER. TEACHER AS IS CHRISTINA. OKAY. AS IS CHRISTINA. I DIDN'T REALIZE. OKAY. I, I'VE KNOWN COURTNEY FOR MANY YEARS. UNDER THIS HIGHLY QUALIFIED LEADERSHIP MODEL, SY C'S EDUCATIONAL APPROACH BRINGS YOUNG STRING MUSICIANS TOGETHER IN A SAFE, INCLUSIVE, AND WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT, FOSTERING INDIVIDUAL GROWTH, INTELLECTUAL LEARNING, CONFIDENCE AND SOCIAL EMOTIONAL AWARENESS. ALL OF THIS EQUIPS STUDENTS WITH TOOLS TO LEAD A RICH AND BALANCED LIFE. SO THE PRELUDE ORCHESTRA IS THE JUNIOR GROUP OF THE TWO, AND THEY REHEARSE FOR ONE HOUR EVERY SATURDAY MORNING AND HAD THEIR FIRST CONCERT ON DECEMBER 10TH. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THEM BY NAME. YOU CAN RAISE YOUR BOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO. SO WE, WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME , THE FIRST VIOLIN IS SIERRA BARINGER LINDSAY JAMES, LIBBY MAR SASHA WADDELL. SECOND VIOLIN IS ANISH ALI ZA ESQUIRE. INDIA FLORES. KARIS NABOR. DID I DO IT RIGHT? THANK YOU. AND CELLO. RUTH NABOR. . THANK YOU. OKAY. . THE FIRST SONG THEY WILL BE PERFORMING IS A TRADITIONAL SONG ENTITLED A FRENCH FOLK LIFE ARRANGED BY RODERICK ROYCE. AND THE SECOND SONG THEY WILL PERFORM IS A LIGHTHEARTED TUNE ARRANGED BY CATHERINE GRINGER CALLED SPARKLE. PLEASE WELCOME THE PRELUDE ORCHESTRA CONDUCTED BY COURTNEY YATES. [00:07:40] WE ONLY HAVE ONE, SO WE'RE GONNA DO LIKE A LITTLE DO OVER . ALRIGHT. YOU BLINK. YOU MISS IT, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOES. ALRIGHT. PICK UP FROM THE TOP. FOLLOW THE STRING. 1, 2, 3. EYEBALLS. BREATHING. THEY'RE EXCITED. . WOO. [00:10:09] OKAY, LOOK UP HERE. 1, 2, 3. SMILE. BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. I TAKE YOUR MUSIC WITH YOU AND YOUR INSTRUMENT AND HEAD TO YOUR CASES. I JESSICA MAKE A COMMENT. WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM THE COUNCIL FROM . GO AHEAD. THIS ALMOST MAKES US FEEL LIKE A HUMAN PLACE. I KNOW. FOR HUMAN BEINGS. SO THANK YOU. I ALSO WANNA REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK THE CHAMBER MUSIC SOCIETY. YEAH. THEY'RE OUR BIGGEST SPONSOR. THEY'RE THE BIG GRASSROOTS, BUT CHAMBER MUSIC IS OUR BIGGEST SPONSOR AND CHAMBER. I NEVER KNEW CHAMBER MUSIC DID THIS. I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE. AND I ALSO WANNA SAY, PEOPLE TELL ME THERE ARE NO CHILDREN AND THERE ARE CHILDREN AND TALENTED. WE JUST HAVE ROLL ROCKS. WE CAN . THANK YOU VERY, YOU'RE VERY TALENTED. THANK YOU, COURTNEY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE A COUPLE, JUST A FEW MINUTES. LET THEM, IT WAS JUST TIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GOOD. GOOD. WE'RE REALLY GOOD. I REALLY APPRECIATED HER MUCH. VERY PRESENTATION OBVIOUS. JOANNE, DO YOU NEED US TO WAIT? OKAY. I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT YOU'RE UP AND RUNNING WITH THE ELECTRONICS. OKAY. THAT WAS REALLY SUPER EXCITING. SO WE'LL [3. CONSENT ITEMS ] MOVE ON TO ITEM, UM, THREE CONSENT ITEMS. DO I HAVE A MOTION? UM, DID YOU WANT I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS? UH, A, B, OR C? WELL, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO PULL A CONSENT ITEM? YEAH, I, UH, OKAY. ITEM A, B, OR C. OKAY. I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS NO, I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I, MY MOTION STANDS. OKAY. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AND THE OPPOSED. OKAY. UNANIMOUS. JOANNE, THANK YOU. APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE NONE. SUMMARY OF [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER] CURRENT EVENTS BY THE MAYOR, COUNCILOR, COUNCILORS, OR THE CITY MANAGER. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM THIS SIDE AND THIS SIDE? YEAH. YES, KATHY, I JUST WANNA PUT A PLEA OUT THERE AGAIN, SINCE WE HAVE SOME NEW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND MAYBE WATCHING THAT THERE ARE MANY VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS THAT NEED HELP THESE DAYS. UH, THE ONE THAT I'M THINKING OF PARTICULARLY IS THE MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM THAT REALLY NEEDS DRIVERS SO THAT WE, FRESH MEALS COULD BE DELIVERED FIVE DAYS A WEEK INSTEAD OF THREE DAYS A WEEK WITH A FROZEN MEAL FOR THE OTHER DAYS. 'CAUSE THERE AREN'T ENOUGH DRIVERS TO, TO HAVE THE DAILY CONTACT. SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN CALLING THE PSEUDO COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, TO VOLUNTEER SOME TIME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS AND, AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN TOWN THAT REALLY DO NEED HELP. SO NOW THAT WE'RE ALL IN THE GIVING SPIRIT OF THE SEASON, I'M URGING PEOPLE TO TAP INTO THE VOLUNTEER SPIRIT AND CONTACT AN ORGANIZATION OF YOUR CHOICE. THANK YOU. UH, VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ABOUT PARKS AND REC? I SURE DO. THANK YOU. SO I, I'M GLAD EVERYBODY, UH, TURNED OUT FOR BREAKFAST WITH SANTA, WHICH TOOK PLACE OVER THIS WEEKEND. THERE WERE 480 ATTENDEES, WHICH IS AMAZING. AND, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE SPECIAL THANKS TO ATHEA CHURCH. SEDONA INTERACT CLUB, WHICH IS PART OF ROTARY, SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND COUNSELOR FALLS FOR EVERYONE'S AMAZING HELP WITH THE EVENT AND THE CLEANUP OF THE EVENT. UH, THE PARK'S MAINTENANCE TEAM DID AN AMAZING JOB RESURFACING AND PAINTING THE BASKETBALL COURT AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK. SO THERE'S A NEW COURT SURFACE FENCING AND A HUGE CITY OF SEDONA CENTER COURT LOGO, UH, CHECK IT OUT. AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SEDONA YOUTH BASKETBALL LEAGUE FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF, OF COUNCIL MEETINGS. I'M GLAD TO SAY THAT THERE'S 112 PLAYERS WHO REGISTERED. WOW. THAT'S A LOT. AND OUT OF THAT 77 OF THE 112 LISTED THEIR ZIP CODE AS 8 6 3 3 6. SO TO EVERYBODY'S POINT FROM EARLIER, THERE ARE CHILDREN HERE, UH, AND THE WINTER SWIM LESSONS. REGISTRATION IS OPEN FOR CHILDREN ZERO TO 16 YEARS OF AGE. AND THAT WOULD BE TAKING PLACE STARTING DECEMBER 16TH. SO VISIT SEDONA [00:15:01] AZ.GOV/POOL FOR REGISTRATION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCIL FULTZ, IF I MIGHT JUST SAY MAYOR, UM, ADDING ON REGARDING THE BREAKFAST WITH SANTA. I WISH THAT, UH, PARKS AND REC WERE HERE TO RECEIVE DUE PRAISE BECAUSE THE EVENT REALLY WAS, UH, EXCEPTIONALLY WELL EXECUTED. THE, UH, ENHANCEMENTS YEAR OVER YEAR WERE EXTREMELY NOTABLE. UH, I WAS THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED WITH, UH, EVERY ASPECT OF IT. SO HATS OFF TO PARKS AND REC. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OF COURSE. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UH, THE PANCAKES AND SAUSAGES WERE ALL COOKED LOCALLY THERE ON SITE BY STAFF. IT WAS, THAT WAS REALLY EXCITING. AND, UH, I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE OUR POLICE CHIEF, UH, CHIEF FOLEY FOR ACTUALLY FLIPPING, UH, PANCAKES AND PARTICIPATING. HER STAFF WAS THERE. IT WAS JUST A PERFECT EVENT. IT WAS DECORATED BETTER THAN IT HAD BEEN IN THE PAST, AND IT WAS QUITE AN EVENT. I WASN'T AWARE. THAT'S SUCH A HIGH NUMBER, SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD. IT SEEMS TO BE INCREASING EVERY YEAR. SO, UH, LET'S JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE, WE HAD THE, UH, AK TREE LIGHTING, UH, SINCE THE PAST WEEK, WHICH IS VERY EXCITING EVENT. UH, THE VICE MAYOR AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHERS WERE AT THE, UH, ARTS INC. UH, THAT CELEBRATE SEDONA AT THE ARTS CENTER. THAT WAS ANOTHER EXCITING EVENT. UM, SO, AND THEN, UH, ON SUNDAY I WAS PARTICIPATED IN THE, UH, MANURE LIGHTING CEREMONY AT ALAKA. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER EXCITING EVENT. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, CONTINUING THE SUBJECT OF CHILDREN IN SEDONA. I, AND I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF OTHER COUNSELORS WENT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL ON FRIDAY TO THE GOVERNMENT CLASS AND LISTENED TO THE CLASS. HAD A, A PROJECT OF, OF SOME KIND OF OUTREACH, POLITICAL OR SOCIAL, UM, COMMUNITY PROJECT THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. AND WE WENT THERE. I WENT THERE, UM, TO THE NINE O'CLOCK CLASS AND THEY PRESENTED THEIR PROJECTS AND THEY WERE, IT WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, A LOT OF STUFF IS SORT OF, IT WAS INSPIRING ACTUALLY TO BE BACK AT A CLASSROOM. AND, UH, MS. HILL, THE TEACHER WAS VERY GOOD. AND THE STUDENTS, IT RANGED, I'LL SAY IT RANGED, BUT VERY IMPRESSIVE SORT OF RANGE OF, OF ACTIVITIES THESE KIDS WERE INTERESTED IN. AND I WILL SAY THAT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE STUDENTS, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT MORE THAN JUST THEIR PROJECTS, WE TALKED, 'CAUSE IT'S A GOVERNMENT CLASS, WE TALKED ABOUT LOCAL, LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT ISSUES. AND ONE OF THE KIDS SAID, I WAS GREW UP HERE AND I'M GOING TO SCHOOL HERE, AND I DON'T WANNA STAY HERE AFTER I GRADUATE. HE SAID, BUT THERE ARE NO APARTMENTS HERE. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA BUILD APARTMENTS SO THAT I CAN STAY HERE, UH, AND LIVE HERE? UM, AND I SAID, COME TO COUNCIL, TAKE YOUR THREE MINUTES AND, AND LET US KNOW. BUT IT WAS A VERY IMPRESSIVE, UM, AND I THINK INSPIRING KIND OF ACTIVITY FOR ME. I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY THOUGHT, BUT FOR ME IT WAS VERY INSPIRING. AND THEY DO IN FACT TEACH GOVERNMENT AND CIVICS IN SCHOOL. AND IT, IT'S, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A GOOD THING. PUBLIC EDUCATION, IT'S A GOOD THING. IT'S A VERY GOOD THING. VICE MAYOR. YES. UH, THE MAYOR AND I ATTENDED THE LAST SESSION, THE 1230 CLASS, AND I WAS VERY INSPIRED AS WELL. THERE WERE SEVERAL PROJECTS ON HOMELESSNESS, WHICH WAS INTERESTING THAT A HIGH SCHOOL CIVICS CLASS WOULD BE LOOKING AT HOMELESSNESS, BUT ALSO ON A, ON SUSTAINABILITY AND ON A NUMBER OF OTHER TOPICS. UH, THEY WERE VERY ENGAGED AND, UH, THE Q AND A AFTER THE PRESENTATION WAS ALSO VERY ENLIGHTENING. SO I, THEY OFFER THIS TO US EVERY YEAR. SO NEXT YEAR I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO TRY AND PARTICIPATE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE ONE MORE, ONE MORE. SURE. I, I HAVE A FONT OF STUFF. THE SITE RE RECYCLING CENTER, UM, IS VERY COGNIZANT OF THE COUNCIL'S CONCERN ABOUT THE STRATEGIC [00:20:01] PLAN, WHICH THEY SUBMITTED TO YOU. UM, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PREPARE A, A SIX MONTH REPORT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE TO COUNCIL ON THEIR SIX ON WHERE THEY ARE IN MOVING AHEAD WITH THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN. THEY'RE ALSO VERY ACTIVELY SEEKING GRANTS, WHICH I'M NOT SURE THEY HAD DONE SO MUCH IN THE PAST. AND ONE OF THEM IS ONE THAT I KNOW THE CITY. THEY ASKED FOR LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION SUPPORT FROM THE CITY, AND WE PROVIDE KAREN, KAREN PROVIDED IT INSTANTLY, WHICH WAS WONDERFUL. AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS THEY WANNA HIRE, UH, WHAT DID THEY SAY AN EDUCATIONAL PERSON BE TO STAND IN THE YARD WHERE PEOPLE RECYCLE AND EDUCATE PEOPLE. ONE-ON-ONE ON WHAT IS RECYCLABLE AND WHAT ISN'T. BECAUSE IT'S A VERY EASY FOR ALL OF US TO SAY, EH, I, MAYBE IT IS, MAYBE IT ISN'T RECYCLABLE. BUT WHEN WE PUT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RECYCLABLE IN ONE OF THEIR BINS, IT TAKES, IT TAKES THEM MANPOWER AND MONEY AND THEY HAVE TO PAY TO TAKE THAT STUFF. THEY PAY WASTE MANAGEMENT MONEY TO TAKE ALL THE STUFF THAT WE THOUGHTLESSLY THROW INTO THE BINS, PAY WASTE MANAGEMENT TO TAKE THAT, ALL THAT STUFF DOWN TO THE DUMP. AND SOME OF IT IS, I THINK JUST A LACK OF, OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE PART OF THOSE OF US WHO, WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY RECYCLING. SO THE GRANT THEY'RE SEEKING IS FOR SOMEONE TO STAND THERE AND ACTIVELY KIND OF TALK TO PEOPLE AND BE A PRESENCE THERE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS AND ISN'T RECYCLABLE SINCE, AS WE ALL KNOW, IT SOMETIMES DOES CHANGE OVER TIME. SO I JUST WANTED COUNCIL TO KNOW THE RECYCLING CENTERS IS VERY INTERESTED IN, IN YOUR INTEREST IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND IS, IS ACTIVELY SEEKING GRANTS TO, TO FUND WHAT I THINK ARE VERY WORTHWHILE, UM, ACTIVITIES. THANKS, MAYOR. YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? I HAVE A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. OH, A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. OKAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE MUSEUM HAS SOME FABULOUS CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY GIFTS, INCLUDING HANDWOVEN POT HOLDERS THAT ARE REALLY BEAUTIFUL. AND THEY ALSO ARE GOING TO BE PERFORMING A CHRISTMAS CAROL ON DECEMBER 23RD FROM 3:00 PM TO 4:00 PM YOU CAN BUY TICKETS. AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW EXHIBITS AT THE MUSEUM. SO IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, COME BACK BECAUSE THERE'S MORE TO SEE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. UH, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO, UH, ITEM SIX. WE'LL OPEN UP, UH, THE FLOOR AT THE PUBLIC FORUM. UH, THERE ARE NO CARDS. NONE. SO I'LL, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM SEVEN, PROCLAMATION, RECOGNITIONS OF AND AWARDS. THERE ARE NONE. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM EIGHT, [8.a. Discussion regarding Council assignments.] UH, REGULAR BUSINESS, UH, REPORTS AND DISCUSSION REGARDING COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? OH, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE, UH, THE WORK THAT I DO FOR YOU ON THE, UH, PLATEAU WATER PARTNERSHIP AND, UH, ADVISORY COUNCIL THAT WE APPROVED OUR BUDGET. WE DID OUR STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE, SO WE'RE KIND OF TRACKING WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE ON COUNCIL. UM, BUT I MOST IMPORTANTLY LEARNED, UH, JUST LAST WEEK, THAT A DWR, OUR DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES, IS GOING TO ALSO BE DOING A SUPPLY DEMAND STUDY OF THE VERDE RIVER BASIN IN 2024. SO WE'VE GOT LOTS OF REALLY INTERESTING WATER THINGS ALL, UH, HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME. AND I THINK THIS BODES WELL FOR US BEING WELL-INFORMED OF THE STATUS OF THE VERDE, UH, BASIN. SO, THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, DID YOU HAVE NO, I DID IT IN THE PRIOR ONE. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. NO, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT. UH, JUST TO TOUCH ON THIS, I THINK THERE'S APPROPRIATE TIME. THE VICE MAYOR AND I MET WITH CORY CHRISTIANS, THE YI COUNTY, UH, LIBRARY DIRECTOR, IS THAT THE TITLE? AND HE EXPLAINED TO US, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO DETAIL, BUT HE EXPLAINED TO US ABOUT THEIR REASONING FOR, FOR PULLING FUNDING FROM OUR LOCAL LIBRARY. SO, UM, THAT WAS A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION, TO SAY THE LEAST. SO, BUT WE, WE'VE BEEN OUT, WE ALSO, YESTERDAY THE VICE MAYOR AND I ALSO WENT OUT TO THE 5, 2 5 AREA WHERE WE MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOPI NATION TO DISCUSS THE DEVASTATION OF OHVS IN THE FOREST. AND THEY WERE REALLY ENGAGED. THEY WERE, THEY HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF OHVS. [00:25:01] THEY DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS TO THAT MAGNITUDE. AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE GETTING MORE INVOLVED WITH THE US FOREST SERVICE. AND THERE WERE PEOPLE FROM THE FOREST SERVICE, OUR HEAD RANGER WAS THERE AS WELL. BUT, UM, A LOT OF INFORMATION WAS DIGESTED AT THAT TIME. SO VICE MAYOR, UH, I, I ASKED, THINKING ABOUT THE HOPI THAT RESIDE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL HOURS FROM HERE, WHAT WAS THEIR CONNECTION TO OUR LOCAL LANDS? AND THEY SAID THAT, THAT, THAT OUR AREA WAS ON THEIR MIGRATORY PATH. AND SO THEY DID LIVE HERE FOR A WHILE. AND, UH, ALSO THE JUNIPER, WHICH IS, I GUESS SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSIAL AS WHETHER IT'S A SPREADING PLANT AND YOU DON'T WANNA PROTECT IT, AN INVASIVE, AN INVASIVE, UH, VERSUS THEIR, UH, THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH JUNIPER FOR FOOD, FOR, FOR MEDICINE, UH, MEDICINE, FOR CEREMONIES, FOR, UH, CLOTHING, YOU KNOW, MAKING SHOES AND OTHER CLOTHES. AND SO THEY'RE IN DIALOGUE WITH THE FOREST SERVICE TO DISCUSS HOW JUNIPERS ARE PRECIOUS TO THEM AND SHOULD BE SAVED VERSUS THE FOREST SERVICE VIEW THAT THEIR INVASIVE PLANTS AND SHOULD BE DESTROYED. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS INTERESTING AS WELL. AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOPI NATION WAS ACTUALLY HERE. SO, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THEM TO COME TO COUNCIL. THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AND TALK ABOUT THEIR CONNECTION TO OUR AREA. AND THEY'VE ALSO INVITED US TO COME TO THEIR TRIBAL MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE A, A REALLY, I THINK, TREMENDOUS INTERCHANGE FOR ALL OF US, RIGHT? THAT WAS, AND IT WAS VERY EXCITING. WE ACTUALLY GOT ALONG REALLY WELL. WE, THEY KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND IT WAS A GREAT ENGAGEMENT. SO IT WAS VERY EXCITING FOR US. SO, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, COUNCIL FOLTZ. COUNCIL DUNN. OKAY. UH, OKAY. ITEM [8.b. AB 3018 Presentation/discussion on the status of the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) process and award made to Steps to Recovery Homes for the 2023 City of Sedona CDBG grant cycle.] B 38, I'M SORRY. 30 18 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION ON THE STATUS OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, CDBG PROCESS AND AWARD. UM, UH, MADE TO STEPS, UH, TO RECOVERY HOMES, UH, FOR 2023. CITY COUNCIL. UH, CITY OF SEDONA, CBD, UH, GRANT CYCLE. THAT WILL BE, YEP. DAMIEN'S GONNA SIT DOWN. YEAH. DAMIEN, WELCOME. HI, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. WITHIN A WEEK. THAT'S TWICE OR MORE. YEAH. GOOD TO SEE YOU TOO. THANK YOU. SO SHANNON, YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION. I'LL START. YOU'LL START. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL. UM, THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE ON THE WORK OF STEPS TO RECOVERY HOUSING. UM, TO WHOM YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE AWARDED OUR 2024 CDBG GRANT, UM, AN APPROXIMATELY, UM, 406,000, HOWEVER, THAT'S PROCESSED THROUGH NACOG. AND THEY DO TAKE A 15% SORT OF PROCESSING FEE FROM THAT. UM, SO NACO IS COORDINATING WITH THE STATE CURRENTLY TO GET CONTRACTS READY FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, WHICH MEANS THAT STEPS CAN NOW LOOK FOR A PROPERTY. SO AT THE TIME WHEN WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE AWARD PROCESS, WE KNEW WE WERE SEVERAL MONTHS OUT FROM ACTUALLY HAVING THE AVAILABLE FUNDING. UM, SO STEPS IS FOUND A VERY, UM, UNIQUE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE KIND OF IDEAL FOR THIS. BUT IT HAPPENS TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS OF SEDONA, WHICH WE KNEW MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY. UM, WE JUST GOT APPROVAL FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING FOR THEM TO POSSIBLY ACQUIRE A PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. UM, HOWEVER, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CHALLENGES IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. IT'S LARGER THAN WHAT WE IMAGINED FINDING, UM, IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN, OR AT LEAST PARTIALLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN. UM, AND JUST THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY PRESENTS SOME UNIQUE CHALLENGES, BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE, UM, WITH NACOG AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND HOPING THAT THIS WORKS OUT FOR THEM. AND I'LL LET DAMIEN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE. HELLO EVERYBODY. UM, SO WE'VE BEEN LIKE, LIKE SHANNON SAID, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF ON HOLD AND DOING ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE ALREADY DO. BUT IN THE BACKGROUND, I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR PLACES. THERE'S NOT, AND WE KIND OF KNEW THIS, THERE'S NOT A LOT IN SEDONA. SHANNON SHARED A PROPERTY WITH ME TODAY THAT'S ACTUALLY IN SEDONA LIMITS, UM, THAT I HAVE PULLED UP HERE. IT'S, IT'S A [00:30:01] FOUR BEDROOM, THREE BATH AND FOR $899,000. WOW. WHICH IS A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE GOING RATE. I THOUGHT IT'D BE MORE, BUT, SO, AND I'VE BEEN KIND OF CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS ON THAT. AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT FOUR BEDROOMS AND THE BEDROOMS, THE PROBLEM IS, I DON'T KNOW EXACT SIZE OF THE BEDROOMS, BUT DEPENDING ON HOW BIG THEY ARE, IS DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN PUT IN THERE AND WHAT THE COMFORT, COMFORT ZONE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. RIGHT? SO IF, IF I CAN'T FIT TWO PEOPLE PER ROOM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THEN IT COMES TO MAYBE SIX. 'CAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE A HOUSE SUPERVISOR. UH, SO ABOUT SEVEN, IF I DO AFFORDABLE RATES, WHICH IS PROBABLY ONE 50 A WEEK, IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. UH, IT PROBABLY WILL BE REALLY HARD, UH, AT $500,000 IF I GOT, IF WE DID A 400,000, I GOT A $500,000 LOAN. WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THIS IS JUST ROUGH NUMBERS. WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, UM, 3000 SOMETHING, UH, A MONTH FOR A MORTGAGE. YOU KNOW, NOW WHAT WHAT I FOUND WITH THIS OTHER PROPERTY IS IT'S, IT IS IN BRIDGEPORT. I JUST GOT A, I GOT A MAP PULLED UP TOO. IT'S 18 MINUTES AWAY FROM HERE. SO IT IS ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF BRIDGEPORT, WHICH IS LIKE A STRAIGHT SHOT. THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY HAS THREE, THREE BUILDINGS AND EACH BUILDING, IT HAS 23 BEDROOMS, 14 BATHROOMS. EACH BUILDING CAN ACTUALLY HOLD 10 PEOPLE. AND IT'S ACTUALLY ALL SET UP, ALL FURNISHED ALREADY. 'CAUSE IT WAS A, A SENIOR LIVING SITE FOR A WHILE. IT'S A REALLY NICE FACILITY AND IT'S ON ONE PROPERTY. THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME THINGS, IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S OUTSIDE SEDONA. SO I'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK. ONE OF MY IDEAS WAS THAT ONE OF THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE STRICTLY FOR PEOPLE WORKING IN SEDONA. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS SHANNON HAD ASKED ME WAS LIKE, WELL, HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA FILL ALL THESE ROOMS? YOU KNOW? AND MY IDEA IS LIKE IF I, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD, IF I COULD RENT OUT, UM, EIGHT, LET'S SAY EIGHT ROOMS PER HOUSE AT ONE 50, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE PLENTY OF MONEY TO PAY FOR ITSELF AND BRING IN MORE. UM, I JUST HAD OUR PROGRAM'S THREE TO SIX MONTHS. I JUST HAD SIX PEOPLE MOVE OUT AND GO TO A DIFFERENT PLACE. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO TRANSITION TO. I HAVE, RIGHT NOW, I HAVE NINE PEOPLE IN MY PROGRAM AND WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING THREE MORE PEOPLE IN. SO IT'S KIND OF A ROTATING THING. 'CAUSE WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH THERAPY, THEY HAVE TO MOVE OUT. NOW THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLACES FOR THEM TO GO. SO FILLING THIS PROPERTY REALLY ISN'T AN ISSUE. THEN SHE ASKED ME, WELL, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WORKING IN SEDONA? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FROM SEDONA? I GOT A COUPLE PEOPLE WORKING IN SEDONA RIGHT NOW. AND SHE'S LIKE, WELL, HOW DOES THAT JUSTIFY WELL, WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON RIGHT NOW WITH OUR JOB DEVELOPMENT, AND I HAVE MY JOB DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR HERE WITH ME, QUENTIN, UH, IS BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH BUSINESSES IN SEDONA. SO WE'RE, WE HAVE FOUR, FOUR BUSINESSES ALREADY THAT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH US AND ARE WILLING TO BRING IN SOME OF OUR PEOPLE IN JOB DEVELOPMENT AND ACTUALLY TEACH THEM A CAREER TO WORK IN SEDONA. MY THING IS, IF I HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO, THERE'S MORE OF AN INCENTIVE THERE. LIKE, HEY, THIS IS AVAILABLE. THERE'S TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. IF YOU GET A JOB IN SEDONA, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANNA WORK IN SEDONA, BUT IT'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY'LL GO GET A JOB IN COTTONWOOD FIRST 'CAUSE IT'S A LOT CLOSER OR IT'S A LOT EASIER. BUT HOW ABOUT BUILDING A CAREER? LIKE WE HAVE A GUY, UH, THAT WANTS TO HELP PEOPLE BUILD A CAREER. COMPUTERS. WE HAVE ONE GUY THAT ACTUALLY WE HAVE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE WITH CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES. WE HAVE ONE GUY THAT HAS A PIZZA PLACE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA HELP THEM BUILD CAREERS HERE. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A REAL PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO BEING ABLE TO FILL THAT SPOT OR GET PEOPLE TO SEDONA. THE THING IS, HOW DO I MAKE IT WORK? UM, FOR ME, I'M ALWAYS GONNA NEED MORE SPACE, YOU KNOW, SO THIS LOOKS LIKE A WIN-WIN FOR ME. I MEAN, IT'S A NO-BRAINER. NOW THE PEOPLE, THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS IT IS BIGGER AND, AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT JUST HELP THE WORKFORCE IN SEDONA, BUT IT'D HELP THE WORKFORCE, THE TRANSITIONAL RECOVERY COMMUNITY IN COTTONWOOD TOO. SO, UM, THERE'S MORE AVAILABILITY FOR MORE PEOPLE TO HELP MORE PEOPLE. THE OTHER GOOD THING IS THE OWNERS ARE REALLY KIND OF MOTIVATED TO SELL. SO THEY'LL DO OWNER CARRY. NOW ME, I DON'T WANT A MORTGAGE PAYMENT. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS COME UP WITH A CAMPAIGN TO ACTUALLY TRY TO GET SOME PRIVATE FUNDING AND SOME FOUNDATION FUNDINGS, SOME HELP FROM PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH A FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN SO I CAN GET AS MUCH MONEY AS I CAN BECAUSE I WAS OVER HERE CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS. I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT DOWN TO WHERE IF I DO TAKE A LOAN, IT'S ONLY FOR LIKE 250,000 AT THE MOST. THAT BRINGS MY MONTHLY MORTGAGE DOWN TO 1800 A MONTH. BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER COSTS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EMPLOYEE COSTS, THERE'S GONNA BE ELECTRICITY, THERE'S WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT MAINTENANCE ON THE PROPERTY, THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, INSURANCE. 'CAUSE IF IT ISN'T A FLOODPLAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO GET CERTAIN INSURANCE. SO [00:35:01] THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO IN WITH THAT. SO ME, I WANNA MAKE IT MORE, UM, I WANNA MAKE IT MORE DOABLE AND MORE, MORE OF SUSTAINABLE FOR THE FUTURE OF STEPS TO RECOVERY HOMES IN THIS COMMUNITY. BECAUSE STEPS TO RECOVERY HOMES, BEING A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, IT'S NOT ABOUT ME. YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT TO WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY AS A RESOURCE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT FOR YEARS TO COME. SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS PLACE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN OTHER PLACES. BUT I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT SET ON IT. WE HAVEN'T STARTED ANYTHING. WE THROW 'EM AN OFFER, THEY THROW US AN OFFER BACK. WE'RE KIND OF JUST KIND OF BEATING AROUND. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT? YEAH, SOME OF THE COUNCILORS DO. COUNCILOR FURMAN. YEAH, MAYOR, IT WASN'T, I I WANTED TO PUT THIS OUT ON THE TABLE. DAMIEN AND I HAVE SPOKEN A FEW TIMES AND I, WE ALL FORESAW THIS POTENTIAL COMING THAT THEY WEREN'T GONNA BUY, BE ABLE TO BUY A, A PROPERTY IN SEDONA. AND COUNCIL COUNCILOR COUNCILOR WILLIAMS AND I HAVE ALSO SPOKEN ABOUT THIS. AND SO WE ARE PUTTING FORTH AN EFFORT TO CONNECT DAMIEN IN STEPS TO RECOVERY HOMES WITH MORE OF THE SEDONA BUSINESSES. I'M WORKING WITH MIKE AND MICHELLE AT THE CHAMBER. WE ACTUALLY HAVE NOW FORMALIZED A LITTLE GROUP THAT'S GONNA HELP US SIT DOWN WITH DAMIEN AND WORK THROUGH A PRESENTATION AND FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO GET 'EM IN FRONT OF MORE OF SEDONA EMPLOYERS. SO THAT PROCESS IS, IS STILL DEVELOPING, BUT WE ACTUALLY, I TALKED WITH, UH, MICHELLE AND UH, UM, THE LODGING COUNCIL PEOPLE AS WELL. SO THIS IS A CHAMBER LODGING COUNCIL EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO, UH, SEDONA BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE LOOK FORWARD TO HELPING DAMIEN CONNECT BETTER WITH SEDONA BUSINESSES FOR HIS PEOPLE. COUNCIL FUL. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, HI DAMIEN. WELCOME. HEY, UH, ADMITTEDLY I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH BRIDGEPORT, SO CAN YOU ILLUMINATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHERE THAT IS ACTUALLY? FOR SURE. SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING OUTSIDE OF, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM COTTONWOOD TOWARDS SEDONA ON 89 A AND YOU GO OVER THE BRIDGE, THEY CALL EVERYTHING OVER THE BRIDGE BRIDGEPORT, PRETTY MUCH. SO LIKE, UM, RIGHT BEFORE THAT, DO YOU HAVE A PIPE BROADCASTING? THERE IS, UH, VA VATI VV ACT. IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? TURN OFF OF 89 A IS LESKI ROAD. YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN THE SIGN FOR THE, SO LIKE RIGHT WHEN YOU MAKE THAT TURN RIGHT THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIGHT THERE AND THEN THERE'S A, A ROAD THAT'S LESSEES ROAD. IT'S RIGHT OFF THERE. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE CDBG GRANT, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE USE OF THAT? I BELIEVE IT'S TWO YEARS FROM THE CONTRACT DATE. AND WHAT'S THE CONTRACT DATE? WE HAVEN'T YET CONTRACTED FOR IT. OKAY. SO THERE'S TIME FOR YOU TO WORK THROUGH AND DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF WHAT, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN'S TRYING TO ASSIST WITH. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION AND UH, VICE MAYOR, YOU WANNA GO WITH THEM FIRST? SO THE, UH, THIS PARCEL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE PRIOR SLIDE IS THAT, IS IT $1.3 MILLION? IS THAT THE SAME ONE? YES. SO WHAT IS THAT PHOTO OF THE SLIDE PRECEDING? THIS SLIDE? THIS ONE THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THREE HOMES ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY, SO EACH OF THEM IS ABOUT THAT SIZE? YEAH, THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR IN SIZE. THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE I HAVE, THIS IS ONE OF THE OTHER ONES. THE, THE THIRD ONE ACTUALLY LOOKS MORE LIKE THIS FIRST HOME. THEY'RE EACH, UH, ROUGHLY, UH, ONE OF THEM'S 2,687 SQUARE FOOT. ANOTHER ONE'S 2,300 SQUARE FOOT AND ANOTHER ONE'S 2,687 SQUARE FOOT. ARE THEY IN RELATIVELY GOOD CONDITION? ACTUALLY THEY ARE. THEY'RE IN AMAZINGLY GOOD CONDITION. THEY JUST REMODELED 'EM. THEY PUT NEW ROOFS ON 'EM. UH, IT'S ALL FURNISHED. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE AN THEY WERE GONNA TRY TO DO AIRBNBS WITH THEM, I THINK. I MEAN IT, I WENT IN THERE, I WAS SURPRISED. I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY HOW MOVE AND READY THEY ARE. AND THEY ALL HAVE, UH, NOT LIKE THE ONE HAS EIGHT, EIGHT BEDROOMS AND FIVE BATHS. I MEAN, IT'S A HUGE LIVING ROOM, A HUGE KITCHEN. ONE OF 'EM HAS TWO LIVING ROOMS. I MEAN, SO IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, ONE OF 'EM IS SEVEN BEDROOMS, FOUR AND A HALF BATH, AND ONE'S EIGHT BEDROOMS AND FIVE AND A HALF BATHS. I THINK THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED FOR SURE. YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO REDO THE YARD YARD'S. NOT TOTALLY IN GREAT CONDITION, BUT, UM, YEAH, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF REMODELING LATELY WITH THEM. LOOKS LIKE A GREAT POTENTIAL. DAMIEN. SO MY QUESTION IS, IF PEOPLE ARE ANXIOUS TO [00:40:01] SELL IT, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA HOLD ON TO? I DON'T KNOW. , I DUNNO. EITHER IF YOU GET AN OFFER, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE IT. WELL THEY, THEY'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE. THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THERE RIGHT NOW THAT KEEPS TRYING TO GET, UH, FUNDING. HE'S ONE GUY LIVING IN ONE OF THE HOUSES. I THINK HE'S THE ONLY GUY ON THE PROPERTY AND HE JUST KEEPS FALLING THROUGH. SO, UM, I GOT A REALTOR THAT'S WORKING WITH ME ON IT. HIS NAME'S PHIL TARBELL AND HE'S KNOWN ME FOR A LONG TIME. SO HE'S KIND OF WORKING WITH THEM ON IT. UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THE PROPERTY'S NOT ON THE MARKET, SO. OH, OH, I SEE. THAT'S HELPFUL. . SO IF, IF YOU HAD NO ISSUE WITH, WITH MONEY, I MEAN, IS OUR FUNDING NOW SUCH THAT TOMORROW YOU COULD MAKE AN OFFER ON THIS PROPERTY? THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING? UM, BECAUSE, BUT WHAT WOULD THE EARLIEST TIME BE? THE STATE IS REQUESTING AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW BEFORE THEY CONTRACT ON THE PROPERTY. SO, UM, WE COULD KIND OF MAKE A COMMITMENT TO IT. AND I THINK WE RAN INTO THE SAME THING FOUR YEARS AGO WITH HOPE HOUSE, WHERE IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING THE WAY THESE FUNDS COME DOWN TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. UM, WE'LL JUST BE LOOKING FOR SOME OTHER GRANT FUNDS AND THE INTERIM AND RIGHT. WORKING THROUGH THESE DETAILS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL. SO GOOD. THANK YOU. WELL, RIGHT NOW TOO, AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO BE REAL HONEST WITH THIS, WITH THE COUNCIL IS RIGHT NOW, IF I DID DO THE 400,000, I'D STILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH, WELL THEY MIGHT TAKE LESS, BUT I'D STILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH $950,000. THAT'S, THAT'S A 600, THAT'S A $6,000 A MONTH MORTGAGE, WHICH I DON'T REALLY HAVE. I DON'T WANNA TAKE THAT ON RIGHT NOW. I WOULD NEED TO DO SOME FUNDRAISING AND SOME, UH, STUFF TO TRY TO KIND OF AT LEAST TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET A LOT CLOSER TO WHERE, WHERE IT'D BE DOABLE FOR US. AND THE TIMING IS REALLY SIMPLIFIED BY THE FACT THAT THE OWNER'S WILLING TO CARRY THE NOTE, UM, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. SO IT COULD MAKE A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE IN HOW WE KIND OF FLOAT THOSE THAT TIME BEFORE THE GRANT FUNDS ARRIVE. SO, BUT IF YOU APPLY FOR OTHER GRANTS THAT YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW REALISTIC IT IS THAT THAT PROPERTY WOULD STILL BE MM-HMM, , YEAH. SO AVAILABLE. I SUGGESTED TO DAMIEN THAT WHAT YOU WOULD CLOSE AND HAVE THAT MORTGAGE WITH THE SELLER, UM, AND THEN PAY THAT OFF IN CHUNKS AS GRANT FUNDS ARRIVE. SO COUNCIL FOLTZ. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. ONE OTHER QUESTION. YOU DID MENTION THAT IT, THAT PROPERTY SITS ON A FLOOD FLOOD PLANE. IS THAT RELATED TO WHAT LOOKS LIKE A WASH IN THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER? YEAH, THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST ABOVE THE RIVER. AND THAT IS A WASH THAT GOES UNDER ZALESKI ROAD RIGHT THERE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO WE'RE TALKING THAT WHAT IS, IS ANY OF THE ACTUAL HOUSING IN THE PLANE ITSELF? UM, THE VERY CORNER OF THE CORNER HOUSE, THE ONE THAT SITS NEXT TO LESKI IS ACTUALLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN. AND WHEN I, WHEN THIS PROPERTY CAME UP, HE TOLD ME IT WASN'T IN A FLOODPLAIN. AND THEN I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY, I GUESS THEY CHANGED THE FLOODPLAINS RECENTLY. MM-HMM. 'CAUSE OF THE RECENT, UH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER, ACTUALLY, WATER'S NEVER HIT IT. BUT HE ALSO TOLD ME THAT HE, AND I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS A REALTOR TALK, SO I'M WORKING WITH HIM ON THIS, BUT HE TOLD ME THAT IT'S BUILT UP SO THAT HE, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT HE'S GONNA LOOK INTO THAT AND GET BACK. HE SAID THERE MIGHT EVEN BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL THING ALREADY THAT'S BEEN DONE ON IT. SO HE'S GONNA KIND OF LOOK AROUND ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON? NO, I MEAN YOU HAD, I WAS GONNA SAY THIS PRIOR YOUTH, I WOULD, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THERE HADN'T BEEN SOME KIND OF OF ENVIRONMENTAL THING PRIOR TO THIS THING. AND THE REALTOR'S THE GUY WHO DOES THAT, THAT DOES WHAT? WHO WHO? OKAY. SHANNON, WHO'S GOING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A PRIOR ENVIRONMENTAL ON THIS? UM, NAAG AND I WILL PROBABLY TRY TO TRACK THAT DOWN, BUT OKAY. MORE THAN LIKELY FOR THE GRANT FUNDS, WE'LL HAVE TO DO OUR OWN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, UM, TO DATE. PART OF THAT IS JUST JUSTIFYING WHY WE WOULD BUY A PROPERTY IN A FLOODPLAIN. SO, WELL, A LOT OF TIMES THEY RUN OUT TOO, LIKE ON THE BUILDING THAT WE JUST GOT IN COTTONWOOD, LIKE WE HAD TO DO ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE IT ONLY LASTED LIKE A YEAR. OKAY. SO THEY HAVE LIKE TIMELINES ON THESE THINGS TOO. OKAY, DAMIEN? UM, ONLY 'CAUSE I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE LOOKING AT HOUSES, ONE THAT WAS IN A FLOODPLAIN. UH, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT INSURANCE? BECAUSE IF IT'S ACTUALLY IN A FLOODPLAIN, YOU HAVE TO GET FEMA INSURANCE. OKAY. [00:45:01] WHICH IS UNGODLY EXPENSIVE. SO IS THAT PART OF YOUR ANALYSIS FOR YOUR, YOUR FUNDING? THE FLOOD PLAIN THING JUST CAME UP TODAY. OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. OKAY. NO, I KNOW I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T, BUT I, I WILL, I, 'CAUSE I HAD LOOKED AT A HOUSE WITH MY SON IN VILLE THAT RIGHT LAST MINUTE WAS IN A FLOOD PLAIN AND IT WAS CRAZY MONEY FOR THE INSURANCE AND ACTUALLY ENDED UP GETTING FLOODED FIVE YEARS LATER. SO, UM, IT IT'S A NON-STARTER. YEAH, I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. IF, UH, THE, THE GRANTS COME THROUGH AND THEY ACCEPT IT, I'D BE SURPRISED. REALLY. SO, UM, THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME. OTHERWISE, I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT YOUR PROJECT, BUT I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING MONEY INTO A FLOODPLAIN PROJECT. YEAH. LIKE, LIKE SHANNON SAID, THERE'S GONNA BE STIPULATIONS AROUND ALL THAT. LIKE, IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH THE INSURANCE AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO I, I HAVE TO LOOK INTO ALL THAT, SCOTT. OKAY. UH, AT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION, ARE THERE ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? I THINK WE COVERED IT ALL WITH COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAMON. KEEP US POSTED. YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME. IF YOU GUYS CAN, UH, THINK OF ANY WAYS THAT WE CAN FIND MAYBE SOME MORE PRIVATE FUNDING OR ANY FOUNDATION FUNDING FOR THIS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. EVEN IF IT ISN'T THIS FACILITY, THEN TO MAKE THIS THIS WHOLE THING HAPPEN, THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF WANT TO DO. SO IT'S A LOT MORE FEASIBLE FOR EVERYBODY. IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY MANAGER HAS A FEW PARTING COMMENT. YEAH, JUST TO ADD ON THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE FIRST SELECTED STEPS TO RECOVERY HOMES FOR THIS AWARD WAS THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE SERVICES ARE NEEDED FOR THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND BECAUSE THE CDBG FUNDS ARE SO LIMITED IN THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROPERTY PURCHASE, WHETHER IT'S THIS ONE OR WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER ONE, THERE WILL BE A FUNDING GAP. SO I, I HAVE, IF YOU REMEMBER FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN WE, UH, MADE THE AWARD TO HOPE HOUSE, THEY DID A TREMENDOUS JOB OF OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY GOT BEHIND THEIR VISION AND THE SERVICE, UH, UM, THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEY DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB WITH FUNDRAISING BECAUSE THEY WENT OUT AND THEY MET WITH OUR LOCAL SERVICE GROUPS AND OUR OTHER CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS AND, AND PEOPLE DID GET BEHIND THAT CAMPAIGN. SO I THINK THERE'S HOPES THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONNECT DAMIEN, UM, WITH THOSE KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. I KNOW THE SEVEN OF YOU ARE EXTREMELY WELL CONNECTED IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN CONNECT DAMIEN OR ANYONE WATCHING, UM, WE'LL INVITE HIM TO, TO ATTEND ONE OF THEIR GROUP'S MEETINGS OR ACTIVITIES SO HE CAN SHARE SOME MORE ABOUT WHAT STEPS TO RECOVERY HOMES DOES. IT IS, IT'S A PHENOMENAL ORGANIZATION AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING ARE, UM, ARE JUST OUTSTANDING FOR, FOR VERDE VALLEY AND HOPEFULLY SOON FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL. UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND ANY OF US WHO HAVE BEEN, I KNOW COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON AND I BOTH WENT TO DAMIEN'S PROJECT OUT IN COTTONWOOD, AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE SHEET ROCK WAS ON THE WALLS. I UNDERSTAND IT'S ALL BEEN DONE, BUT SO IMPRESSIVE. THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND EFFORT AND TIME AND SWEAT THAT YOU PUT INTO YOUR PROJECTS, IT'S, IT'S REALLY VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE. SO, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO WHAT KAREN JUST SAID, WHICH IS WHEN WE FIRST WERE PRESENTED WITH, WITH, UM, THIS PROJECT AS A POSSIBLE ONE FOR US TO FUND, UH, DAMIEN AND HIS STAFF, HIS GROUP MADE A, A PRESENTATION THAT I THINK WAS ENORMOUSLY EFFECTIVE. UM, UM, AND, AND DEMON DEMONSTRATED THAT THIS GROUP HAS VERY, VERY GOOD SUCCESS IN DEALING WITH AN INCREDIBLE PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY OF ADDICTION. AND SO I WOULD URGE SEDONA RESIDENTS, UH, WHO MAY HAVE HAD A RELATIVE, A FRIEND, AN ACQUAINTANCE, A CHILD WHO HAD ADDICTION ISSUES. AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY COVERS A LOT OF US TO REALLY CONSIDER MAKING A DONATION AND DOING WHAT YOU CAN TO HELP THIS GROUP ACHIEVE ITS GOAL OF, UH, OF FINDING THIS [00:50:01] KIND OF TRANSITIONAL RESIDENCE. THE WORK THEY DO IS SO EFFECTIVE AND IT ACTUALLY WORKS. THEY ACTUALLY CHANGE PEOPLE'S LIVES. BUT TO DO THAT, TO NEED THESE KINDS OF FACILITIES AND TO GET THESE KINDS OF FACILITIES, THEY NEED MONEY. SO, UM, I I, ANYBODY WHO BELONGS TO A GROUP, UM, IF THEY, I'M SURE DAMIEN WOULD BE GLAD TO COME, A GROUP WHO LIKES TO DONATE MONEY OR SUPPORT CHURCHES, UH, GROUPS LIKE THAT. SO, UH, CONTACT KAREN OR ANYBODY ON COUNCIL OR DAMIEN HIMSELF, HE'S AT STEPS TO RECOVERY IN COTTONWOOD. UM, IT'S REALLY AN IN INCRE AN INCREDIBLE ORGANIZATION, UH, WORTHY OF, OF SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT BY OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S NOT A QUESTION, THAT'S A COMMENT. WORKS FOR ME. I THINK IT WAS QUITE, QUITE, UH, FULFILLING. SO THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. UH, DAM, DO YOU ARE, UH, ARE YOU, IS YOUR ORGANIZATION ELIGIBLE FOR THE ARIZONA STATE TAX CREDIT? WE ARE. SO THAT'S ANOTHER POINT THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T MADE THEIR DONATIONS THIS YEAR. THEY MAY WANNA CONSIDER DONATING AND GETTING TAX CREDIT. SO THE QUESTION IS HOW WOULD THEY DO, ARE YOU ON IF, HOW WOULD PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO DONATE TO, TO THEM? UM, ARE YOU SET UP TO GIVE PEOPLE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION IF THEY GO TO YOUR WEBSITE? YES. OKAY. THEY CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE. THEY CAN CALL US. OKAY. UM, YEAH, AND I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, WE JUST STARTED AN ENDOWMENT. WE'RE LOOKING FOR LEGACY GIFTS. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE A LEGACY ON, YOU KNOW, JUST THE ONE BUILDING LIKE BAM . IS THAT A NAMING OPPORTUNITY? YEAH, THAT'S A NAMING OPPORTUNITY. HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION? YEAH, THE, WE'RE WORKING, I'LL CONTACT THEM AGAIN, BUT, UM, THEY'VE ACTUALLY HELPED US, UH, IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, UH, I HAVEN'T CONTACTED 'EM ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT. I THINK I'VE TALKED TO JENNIFER PERRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT I HAVEN'T REALLY, I NEED TO START, I WAS KIND OF WAITING UNTIL WE DID THIS. I NEED TO REALLY START GETTING OUT THERE. I'VE BEEN SO BUSY JUST KEEPING, GETTING UP WITH GOING WHAT WE HAVE GOING OVER THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND MAKING THAT WORK. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WE JUST, THE COUNCIL KNOWS IF YOU GUYS, WE HAVE A GREAT EVENT CENTER AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE THERAPY GOING ON AND WE HAVE JOB DEVELOPMENT NOW AND IT'S JUST BEEN REALLY, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF REALLY COOL STUFF OVER THERE. SO IF YOU WANNA COME OVER, ANYBODY COMES OVER, I'LL DO A PRESENTATION TO ANYBODY. I'LL, I'LL COME, UH, YOU KNOW, RAKE ROCKS OR PULL WEEDS OR WHATEVER PAINT. YOU'RE PRETTY CONVINCING. SO I'VE LEARNED THAT IN THE PAST, SO. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAM. IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. OKAY, UH, ITEM [8.c. AB 3022 Discussion/possible action regarding approval to purchase Stormy Bay, a steel horse sculpture, in the amount of $25,000, to be installed at the Ranger Station Park and authorization of a transfer of contingency funds of $25,000. (Part 1 of 2) ] C, AB 30 22 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL TO PURCHASE STORMY BAY, A STEEL HORSE SCULPTURE IN THE AMOUNT OF $25,000 TO BE INSTALLED AT THE RANGER STATION PARK AND AUTHORIZATION OF A TRANSFER OF CONTINGENCY FUNDS OF $25,000. IS IT, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE FOLDER. OKAY, SO IT'LL BE STEVE AND NANCY OR NANCY AND STEVE. OKAY. SO JUST START TALKING. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. UM, I AM HERE TO PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY THE CITY HAS TO PURCHASE A HORSE SCULPTURE THAT, UM, IF APPROVED WOULD GO INTO THE COLLECTION OF OUR PUBLIC ART. AND IT'S AN UNEXPECTED, UM, A PURCHASE BECAUSE IT JUST CAME UP. BUT THERE ARE CONTINGENCY FUNDS WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT. NOT THE AGREEMENT. UH, JUST GIVE US ONE SEC. BE THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU PRESENTATION MATERIALS, I DUNNO. THAT'S, BUT THAT'S WHERE YOUR AGENDA BILL GOES. POWERPOINT [00:55:01] THERE. SHOULD WE MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AND THEN WE'LL GO GET IT? JUST TALK WITHOUT THE I NEED IT. OKAY. FIRED. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE A BREAK? I'VE GOTTA GET HER PRESENTATION. SO WOULD, COULD WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM IS WHAT SHE'S ASKING SO THAT SHE NEEDS HER PRESENTATION TO GO FORWARD. OKAY. I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. YOU WANNA GO TO ITEM D AND PUT THIS ON SHANNON? JUST LET ME GRAB SHANNON. YES. OKAY. I WAS FOCUSING ON THE PACKET. LET'S GO IN THE PRESENTATION FOLDER PRESENTATIONS. OKAY. SO GO BACK AND THEN THE DATE. IT'S OKAY, I THINK WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD SO YOU CAN GET IT IN THERE. I'LL DROP. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA SWITCH GEARS HERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. IN THE LONG FOLDER. OKAY. I HAVE THE DEVELOPER ON THE LINE. HE'S BEEN ADMITTED. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON A PAUSE AND WE'LL GO TO ITEM D, [8.d. AB 3016 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Land Lease Option Agreement and a $2.25 million loan to the Villas on Shelby, LLC for development of a 30-unit apartment complex.] AB 30 16 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A LAND LEASE OPTION AGREEMENT AND A $2.5 MILLION LOAN TO THE VISTAS OF SHELBY LLC FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A 30 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX. NICE. SORRY. NICE TO MEET YOU. HI SHANNON. HI, THANK YOU. HELLO AGAIN. . HELLO AGAIN. UM, YOU ALL MAY REMEMBER THE VILLAS ON SHELBY, I BELIEVE WAS PRESENTED IN MARCH. WE WERE APPLYING FOR, UM, 9% LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS WITH THE DEVELOPER, UM, GETTING APPROVALS FOR THAT APPLICATION. UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL. UM, IT'S A VERY COMPETITIVE PROGRAM AND LESS THAN HALF OF THE APPLICANTS NORMALLY GET FUNDED. HOWEVER, THE STATE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS PROJECT WITH, UM, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD CALL SMALLER TAX CREDITS. SO THE 4% TAX CREDITS FUND LESS OF THE PROJECT, TYPICALLY ABOUT 30% OF THE PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO THE 70% THAT THE 9% CREDITS WOULD PROVIDE. UM, SO AFTER APPLYING THOSE TAX CREDITS, UM, THE DEVELOPER DID APPLY FOR SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE STATE, WHICH CAME THROUGH THE STATE HOUSING TRUST FUND AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AWARDED THEM $5 MILLION THROUGH THAT FUNDING ROUND. NICE. SO THE PROJECT WILL BE FULLY FUNDED NOW IF THE CITY CAN PROVIDE THE LOAN FOR 2.25 MILLION. UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, JUST KIND OF AS A REFRESHER HERE, UM, IT'S PROPOSED 30 UNITS OF APARTMENT STYLE HOUSING, UM, CONSISTING OF ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH, AND THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH UNITS. THOSE WOULD RENT FOR 8 49 AND 1178. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, I DO, UM, COUNSEL YOU HAVE? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, I MUST, YES, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I HAVE A QUESTION. READING THROUGH THE PACKET, THERE WAS A COUPLE PERHAPS INSTANCES OF THE WORD WORKFORCE IN THERE, BUT I REALLY DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT EMPLOYMENT REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT INTO THIS PROJECT OR NOT. CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT THAT PLEASE? SURE. TOOK THE WORD OUTTA MY MOUTH. SURE. UM, SO THIS FUNDING SOURCE, UM, IS, UM, SECTION 42, FEDERAL FUNDING. IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR US TO, UM, SORT OF DISCRIMINATE ON THE BASIS OF WORK. SO WE CANNOT MAKE A REQUIREMENT THAT APPLICANTS BE IN THE WORKFORCE. YES. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, WELL LET ME BEFORE YOU START, PETE, ARE YOU COMPLETED? YEP. OKAY. COUNCIL WILLIAMS. YEAH, I JUST, IN, IN TERMS OF THAT, FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, UM, WHAT INCOME WOULD QUALIFY FOR THESE RENTS? I MEAN, IT, WOULD IT BE SAY, OH, OH, YOU'VE GOT ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT, SO WHAT WOULD A ONE BEDROOM INCOME TO QUALIFY FOR THIS RENT? AND, AND WOULD THAT BE COMPARABLE TO SOME [01:00:01] OF THE, THE SALARIES THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING HERE IN SEDONA? SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TRICKY QUESTION BECAUSE THE INCOME DEPENDS ON THE FAMILY SIZE. RIGHT. I SAID ONE, ONE PERSON. OKAY. SO, 'CAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE BEDROOMS, I APOLOGIZE, I'M GONNA PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK HERE. AND THIS IS MATT, I CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. OH, THANK YOU. I'M GLAD YOU'RE ON . THIS IS THE DEVELOPER. I APOLOGIZE. UH OH, I THOUGHT THAT CAME OUTTA DOOR. I THOUGHT TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. UM, SO I'M JOINING FROM, UH, SURE. UM, THIS IS WHO, YES. THE, WHO WAS THIS? SO THE INCOME FOR A LIKE A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT WOULD BE ABOUT 60% OF THE AREA MEETING INCOME. SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $33,000 A YEAR. THAT WOULD SEEM TO, UH, TO BE PERFECTLY IN LINE WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO WORK. UM, THE QUESTION IS, OKAY. AND SO THE SAME WOULD BE TRUE FOR THE, IF YOU HAVE A THREE BEDROOM, I KNOW THAT HUD IS GOING TO HAVE, OR WHOEVER GIVES US THIS MONEY IS GOING TO HAVE OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, FOR THE THREE BEDROOM. RIGHT. AND SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE A FAMILY OF FOUR OR SOMETHING. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT INCOME WOULD BE MATT, DO YOU HAVE THAT HANDY? UH, YEP. YEP. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 40, 47,000 RIGHT? OR SO A YEAR. SO I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, I, I THINK CONSIDER WHETHER THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS SOME SEGMENT OF OUR WORKFORCE THAT, THAT KIND OF HOUSING YEAH, I, I KNOW. AND, UM, JUST ADD SOME, SOME CLARITY TO IT. I LOOKED UP, UH, BEFORE THIS MEETING, THERE WAS, UM, I DUNNO, ABOUT 13 DIFFERENT JOBS THAT WERE POSTED FOR YAVAPI COUNTY GOVERNMENT, UM, AND CUSTODIAL, UH, JUSTICE CLERK, UM, SOLID WASTE TECH, ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER. AND THOSE AVERAGE, UM, HOURLY PAY WAS ABOUT 1750 AN HOUR. UM, THE CITY OF SEDONA CALLED, UH, ABOUT SIX CURRENT JOBS. CITY MAINTENANCE WORKER, ONE POLICE DISPATCHER, COMMUNITY SERVICE AIDE, WASTEWATER PLANT OPERATOR. UM, FIRST YEAR TEACHER, IT COMES TO ABOUT CLOSE TO $20 AN HOUR. UM, WITH THE ARIZONA MINIMUM WAGE BEING ABOUT 1385. UM, AND THE LOCAL WAGES, UM, IN AIR IN SEDONA, LET'S SAY A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT OR A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT, YOU KNOW, LITTLE UNDER THAT $20, UM, YOU'RE REALLY CASTING A VERY WIDE NET. PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO WORK THERE OR PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS A, YOU KNOW, SINGLE MOTHER THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, A, A CHILD, UM, OR DEPENDENT. UM, AND IT REALLY IS GONNA HELP THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT BE OVERBURDENED WITH RENT. UM, YOU KNOW, AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, FIND SOME ADDITIONAL AND UPPER EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE UP AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMEONE ELSE COME AND FILL, UM, THEIR APARTMENT. UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KEEP THE RENTS AFFORDABLE AT THESE LEVELS FOR 30 YEARS. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FULTZ. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO FOLLOWING UP ON COUNCILOR FURMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT DISCRIMINATING FOR, UH, SEDONA IN CITY WORKERS, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE PREFERENTIAL COMMUNICATION TO LOCAL AREA EMPLOYERS TO ENCOURAGE THEIR WORKERS TO BE, UH, PUTTING IN THEIR APPLICATION EARLY. WOULD THAT BE TRUE? YES. SO WE CAN MARKET IT TO THE LOCAL WORKFORCE. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN, UH, ONE QUESTION. SO IF COUNCIL SAID, WELL, GEE, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO KICK IN THE, THE TWO PLUS MILLION, UH, CAN THE DEVELOPER DO A MIX OF THE 60% A MI AND SOME GENERAL WORKFORCE OR MARKET RATE? THE ANSWER ON THAT IS NO. CORRECT. IT'S ALL OR NOTHING ON THE 60% A MI, CORRECT? YES. SO, UM, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, THEY WOULD LOSE THE TAX CREDIT FUNDING, UM, WHICH WAS THE LARGEST SORT OF PIECE OF THE PIE THERE. SO RIGHT. AND THEN THE AMOUNT BEING REQUESTED WHEN THE TWO AND A QUARTER, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN WE DID THE, UH, [01:05:01] THE BUDGET EXERCISE OF SHIFTING SURPLUS INTO THE HOUSING FUND. THIS PROJECT IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF EARMARKED OUT VARIOUS PROJECTS AND THE AMOUNT HERE IS IN LINE ROUGHLY WITH WHAT YOU EARMARKED THEN, CORRECT? YES, IT IS. OKAY. THANK YOU SHANNON. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR FURMAN, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILLOR FO'S, FOLLOW UP ON MY QUESTION, . UM, SO YOU ASKED A GREAT QUESTION. CAN WE DO TARGETED MARKETING, PERHAPS WORK WITH THE CHAMBER, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING COMING ON AND THEY CAN DO SOME MARKETING. ARE WE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT? ARE WE, DO WE HAVE THE BUDGET AND THE STAFF OR WHATEVER WOULD WE NEED TO DO TO ACTUALLY TAKE THAT ON? YES. GREAT. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION IN THERE THAT JUST LEFT MY BRAIN. SORRY, MAYOR. OKAY. IF, IF YOU THINK OF IT BEFORE WE END, LEMME KNOW, UH, YES. CATHOLIC KINSELLA. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT OTHER REVIEWS, DOES THIS NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT IN TERMS OF DESIGN REVIEW? WILL THIS GO TO P AND Z OR WHAT'S THE NEXT, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? CAN YOU JUST OUTLINE THAT PLEASE? HMM, I COULD TRY. UM, STEVE MIGHT BE BETTER AT THAT. I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE NOT YET SUBMITTED ANY ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, SO THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE, THE TYPICAL PROCESS FOR, FOR ANY OTHER PROJECT TO GET THOSE APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. SO, SO IF THAT PROCESS WENT AGAINST THE PROJECT FOR ANY REASON, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO IT AND HAPPENED TO THE FUNDING THAT'S IN PLACE? AND I'M JUST TRYING TO EXTRAPOLATE OUT WHERE WE MIGHT BE IN SEVERAL MONTHS, A YEAR, WHATEVER, AND WHEN WE'RE, WHEN THIS GETS FURTHER DOWN THE PIPELINE. SURE. COUNCIL COUNCILOR, THEY DO HAVE LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS, SO AS LONG AS THEIR DESIGN COMPORTS WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OUR OTHER ENGINEERING STANDARDS AND SO FORTH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION COULDN'T DENY THE PROJECT. THEY ARE THERE TO WORK WITH STAFF, ENSURE THAT IT DOES MEET THE, THE VARIOUS STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND TO GIVE, UM, I GUESS CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK AND INPUT AND SUGGESTIONS TO THE DEVELOPERS, WHICH WE FIND THAT MOST DEVELOPERS ARE VERY RECEPTIVE TO AND TRY TO INCORPORATE INTO THEIR PROJECT. BUT IT ULTIMATELY, AS LONG AS THEY, UM, COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS THAT ARE ALREADY, UM, YOU KNOW, WRITTEN IN OUR VARIOUS CODES, THEN IT WOULD BE AN APPROVABLE PROJECT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL FURMAN, YOU HAD A, I HAD A, I HAD A REMEMBERING OF WHAT MY QUESTION, SO WE AGAIN TALKED ABOUT THE WORKFORCE. IS THERE A MECHANISM WHICH IN WHICH YOU CAN REPORT TO US OR KNOW EMPLOYMENT STATUS OF PEOPLE? SO WE KNOW WHETHER A PROJECT THAT'S FINANCED LIKE THIS ACTUALLY HITS WORKFORCE HOUSING OR, OR NOT? MATT, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT FROM MAYBE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT? YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, EVERYONE HAS TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE RENT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR AREA MEDIA AS THE AREA MEDIA INCOME. UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT, I GUESS YOUR QUESTION IS DON'T HAVE JOBS, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE. UM, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DO EXTENSIVE COMPLIANCE ON THE INCOMES AND THE JOBS AND GET, UM, THEIR JOB AND ANY TYPE OF ASSETS AND ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT OVER QUALIFIED, UM, AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE HOUSING. UM, AND PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THEIR EMPLOYMENT STATUS. NOW CAN WE SHARE THAT PUBLICLY? I'M NOT SURE THAT MIGHT BE A FAIR HOUSING QUESTION, BUT I MEAN, I THINK, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL, AND HIGHLY CONVINCED ARE GONNA BE LOCAL WORKFORCE, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN COMMUNITY THAT ARE WORKING AND, UM, IDEALLY I THE HOUSING'S INTENDED FOR YEAH, IDEALLY I THINK THE PROPERTY MANAGER COULD PROVIDE A REPORT BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION. IT WOULD JUST NOT BE, UM, LINKED DIRECTLY TO THE SPECIFIC TENANTS. SO IT WOULD JUST BE DATA. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M, I'M CORRECT. YOU KNOW, THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO HERE IS THAT WE HAVE VERY CLEVER PEOPLE THAT, UH, CAN LIVE HERE IN SEDONA AND THERE MIGHT BE SOMEONE WHO'S PUT AWAY A CASH NUT AND THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE TO [01:10:01] WORK AND THEY CAN LIVE ON SOME INCOME AND WHATEVER THEY PUT AWAY, AND IT JUST MIGHT HAPPEN TO BE THESE KIND OF NUMBERS. AND SO WE COULD GET SOMEONE LIVING IN A PLACE THAT QUALIFIES AS LOW INCOME, BUT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE WORKFORCE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE GOT IN SEDONA. SO, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M INTERESTED ON, NONE OF US WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FINDING DETAILS OF A PERSON, BUT JUST GENERAL NUMBERS OF THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT, HOW MANY PEOPLE CONTINUE TO BE EMPLOYED OR NOT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR US TO KNOW. OF COURSE. THANK YOU. OKAY, ONE MORE, ONE MORE. WE HAVE TIME. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR BECAUSE WE KEEP USING THE TERM INCOME AND WORKFORCE AND ALL, BUT OTHER INCOMES ARE ELIGIBLE DISABILITY INCOMES, SOCIAL SECURITY, INCOME, UM, PENSIONS, PENSIONS, PENSION INCOME, OR EVEN, UM, ALIMONY INCOME. I MEAN THE, ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL FACTOR IN. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR FOR ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING TO THIS AS WELL, WHAT INCOME IS A BROADER SCOPE THAN JUST, UH, THAN JUST THE HOURLY WAGE OR ANNUAL WAGE? THAT I THINK IS YOUR POINT, . OKAY. UH, LET ME OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS ITEM, SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN, UH, DO WE HAVE, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL IF WE START TO MY RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, SHANNON, GLAD TO SEE THIS PROJECT COMING IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING. GLAD THAT, UH, THIS LOOKS LIKE THE CLOSEST THING PERHAPS TO A SURE THING OF SEEING, UH, SHOVELS GOING IN THE GROUND. RIGHT. UH, SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE MAKING USE OF THE CFA THAT ALLOWS US TO GO ABOVE TWO STORIES ON THE PROJECT. AND CERTAINLY AS OTHER PROJECTS COME ALONG, THAT THE CFAS ALLOW FOR THE EX, THE HIGHER HEIGHT, UH, IF YOU WILL. UM, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY WANNA SEE US MAKE MAXIMUM USE OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, OR HOUSING IN GENERAL, BUT CERTAINLY FOR, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO, UH, I THINK THAT COVERS MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCIL DONE. I SHANNON, UM, I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS YOU KNOW, BIG SUPPORTER OF IT. UM, LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER COUNSELORS HERE HAVE MENTIONED, THERE IS SOME CONCERN AROUND THE FACT THAT THE HOPE HAD BEEN THAT THIS WOULD BE, UM, PROVIDING MEMBERS OF OUR WORKING COMMUNITY WITH HOUSING THAT THEY COULD AFFORD GETTING THEM OUT OF THEIR CARS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. HOWEVER, UM, IT'S BEEN STATED FAIRLY CLEARLY THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE AS TO WHO WILL ACTUALLY BE LIVING IN THESE, UM, THESE APARTMENTS. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT, UM, COUNCILOR FURMAN, UM, COUNCILOR KINSELLA ARE TRYING TO GET AT. I BELIEVE IN SAYING, CAN WE AT LEAST KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE APPROACHING SOLVING THE PROBLEM OF AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW ON A RETIREMENT, UM, INCOME HAVE DECIDED, HEY, I CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN SED NOW. UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS OUR INTENT, UM, WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS. SO NOT AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WERE RETIRED, COMING AND LIVING IN SEDONA, LET'S MAKE THAT CLEAR. HOWEVER, THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE WERE HOPING, I THINK, TO, UM, ACCOMPLISH THROUGH THESE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING FUNDED BY THE CITY. SO, WHILE I AM SUPPORTIVE, I DO WANT TO KNOW, UM, LIKE OTHER COUNSELORS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY ATTAINING THE GOAL OF, WE'RE CREATING OR MAYBE CREATING SOMETHING LIKE SAFE PLACE TO PARK WITH THE IDEA THAT WE CAN MOVE THEM INTO THESE HOUSING. AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN WE HAVEN'T REALLY SOLVED THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. VICE MAYOR, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT TAKE THAN MY COLLEAGUES. I GUESS. I THINK ABOUT THE, THE FACT THAT WE NEED 1300 UNITS, THAT WAS, WHAT, FIVE YEARS AGO? SO WE PROBABLY NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT NOW. 43% OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE CAN'T AFFORD THEIR, THEIR, UM, THEIR HOUSING. THEY'RE BURDENED. THEY'RE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME. SO I THINK ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO KEEP PEOPLE IN A, HAVING A PLACE TO LIVE IS OF VALUE. SO IF IT CAN'T BE STRICTLY FOR THE WORKFORCE, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING, WHO, WHOSE HOUSING IS BEING CHALLENGED, WHOSE HOUSING IS BEING REMOVED. NOT NEW PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN, OH, SEDONA, I CAN NOW AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, BUT PEOPLE WHO DO LIVE HERE, [01:15:01] AND I THINK WE OWE THEM AS MUCH AS WE OWE THE WORKFORCE. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL. AND I'M, MATT, THANK YOU FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, GAINING, GETTING OTHER, UH, HOUSING FUNDING WHEN THE LITECH FUNDING DIDN'T BECOME AVAILABLE. SO THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORTS THAT YOU AND SHANNON AND OTHERS HAVE, UM, HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH. AND NOW THAT WE HAVE SECURED THIS, I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON. YEAH, I, I I AGREE WITH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER PLU. I THINK THAT, LOOK, THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE SCAM EVERY SYSTEM. I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING BECAUSE SOMEONE MIGHT IMPROPERLY USE IT. I THINK THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY CHALLENGED, UM, WHO ALREADY ARE HERE. I THINK I'M PARTICULARLY EXCITED BECAUSE OF THE TAX CREDITS ABILITY TO, TO ALLOW US TO PROVIDE FAMILY UNITS AT, AT, AT REASONABLE PRICES. UM, A SINGLE MOTHER WITH THREE KIDS, SINGLE WORKING MOM WITH THREE KIDS IS GONNA NOT, DOES, DOESN'T GONNA HAVE A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE NEED APARTMENT BUILDINGS. UM, I THINK THE THREE STORIES HERE IS PERFECT, AND I ALSO HOPE THAT WE HAVE FURTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPLORE REASONABLE HEIGHTS AND REASONABLE PLACES. UM, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, AND I AM, I AM ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED TO THINK THAT SOME OF THE $15 MILLION THAT WE PUT IN TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE OF YOUR EFFORTS, IT CAN BE SPENT. AND JUST REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. COUNCILOR FURMAN. I THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVE A VIVID IMAGINATION, UH, AND I CANNOT IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT IT TAKES TO PULL ONE OF THESE ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. SO SHANNON AND MATT, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT HAS GONE IN. I TOO AM UH, FULLY SUPPORTIVE. AND IN CASE, JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. I JUST WANT US TO KNOW IN THE END WHO WE'RE SERVING SO WE CAN GAUGE FUTURE EFFORTS, RIGHT? SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. IT'S NOT TO CRITICIZE THIS PROJECT OR STOP IT IN ANY WAY. I'M THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE DONE A YEOMAN'S AMOUNT OF WORK AND MOVED IT FORWARD. THANK YOU. YEP. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I THINK MY COMMENT BEFORE MAY HAVE BEEN MISCONSTRUED THAT I WAS POINTING OUT THESE INCOME GROUPS OR INCOME SOURCES NOT TO SUPPORT THAT THAT WOULD MEAN THAT SOMEBODY SHOULDN'T LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE EXTRA INCOME. I'M GLAD THAT THOSE INCOMES ARE BEING INCLUDED BECAUSE SOMEBODY WHO IS ON DISABILITY OR SOMEBODY WHO IS, UM, GETTING SUPPORT FROM SOME OTHER AREA TO SUPPLEMENT A WAGES THAT ARE NOT LIVING WAGES, UM, THIS COULD PUT THEM OVER THE FINISH LINE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEN TO QUALIFY FOR THIS HOUSING. SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE OTHER INCOMES BEING INCLUDED. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP. UM, I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT'S A, A, A TESTAMENT TO YOU. THANK YOU, SHANNON, FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS. IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING HOW LONG FOR YOU, I'M SURE FOR US AS WELL, IT'S BEEN TO FINALLY GET SOMETHING GOING. WE HAVE, I THINK AT LEAST THREE PROJECTS IN VARIOUS STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT TRYING TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING NEEDS. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT'S GONNA REALLY MAKE IT, IT LOOKS LIKE. UM, SO I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD SIZE, 30 UNITS. UM, I THINK IT'S A, IN A GOOD LOCATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO P AND Z WORKING ON THE PROJECT AS WELL TO GET, BECAUSE I'M SURE THIS IS NOT A RENDERING OF THE ACTUAL WHAT'S GOING TO COME FORWARD OR IT'S NOT CLOSE. IT MAY NOT BE FINISHED, BUT I SEE ROOM FOR A LITTLE IMPROVEMENT THERE. AND I LEAVE THAT TO MY P AND Z COLLEAGUES, WHICH THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT. UM, BUT I, I, THIS IS A MUCH NEEDED PROJECT THAT WE HAVE NOT ONLY BUDGETED FOR, BUT WE'VE BEEN BUDGETING FOR IN HOPES AND HAVE EXCESS. UM, THIS IS ONLY GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. COMMUNITIES ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE DIVERSITY IN THE COMMUNITY [01:20:01] AS WELL, AND THE PEOPLE THAT COEXIST WITH EACH OTHER. I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE UP ON MY SOAPBOX, BUT HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IMPORTANT TO ME FOR TOO MANY DECADES THAT I WANT TO ADMIT THAT I AM OLD, UH, THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN VARIOUS STAGES. AND I AM THRILLED TO SEE THIS COME FORWARD. UM, VERY SUPPORTIVE. I THANK YOU AGAIN AND, UH, YEAH, I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I TOO SUPPORT IT. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS COVERED BY ALL MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES BECAUSE YOU COVERED SO MANY OTHER THINGS, BUT, UH, YES, WE HAVE A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROBLEM, WE KNOW THAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE MANY OTHER CATEGORIES OF HOUSING PROBLEMS AS WELL WITH, UH, THREE BEDROOM UNITS. I'M HOPING WE CAN GET SOME CHILDREN IN THERE SO THAT THEY CAN GO OUT, GO TO OUR SCHOOLS. I KNOW WE HAVE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES LIVING IN CARS AND, BUT YET THEY WORK. AND TO ME THAT SHOULD NEVER BE. SO THIS IS A, A PROJECT I, I, YOU KNOW, THESE KIND OF INCOMES AND RENTS. I THINK IT'S ATTAINABLE HERE. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS EVERY WHICH WAY I CAN THINK OF. SO, UH, WE'LL CALL FOR A MOTION, BUT BEFORE I DO, I'LL THANK SHANNON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YET AGAIN, COME ACROSS THE LINE WITH YOU. DIDN'T, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WE'RE GONNA GO THIS FAR, BUT THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS JUST BEEN SO APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO LET'S DO I HAVE A MOTION COUNCIL, FULTZ MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE LAND LEASE AGREEMENT AND A $2.25 MILLION LOAN TO THE VILLAS ON SHELBY LLC FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A 30 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NAYYY? NONE. OKAY, WE ARE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. NOW JOB WELL DONE SHANNON. THANK YOU. THIS IS FABULOUS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT JOE, HOW ARE WE FOR TIME? DO YOU WANT TO, ANYBODY WANNA DO? IT'S NOT HERE YET. KEEP GOING. OKAY. IT'S NOT HERE YET. OKAY. I THOUGHT I SAW HER COME IN. ROBERT'S THERE. OKAY, LET'S KEEP [8.c. AB 3022 Discussion/possible action regarding approval to purchase Stormy Bay, a steel horse sculpture, in the amount of $25,000, to be installed at the Ranger Station Park and authorization of a transfer of contingency funds of $25,000. (Part 2 of 2) ] GOING. LET'S GO BACK TO ITEM C. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK TO YOU GUYS. READY, NANCY? ALRIGHT, FOLDER AB 30 22 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL TO PURCHASE STORMY BAY, A STEEL HORSE SCULPTURE IN THE AMOUNT OF $25,000 TO BE INSTALLED AT THE RANGER STATION PARK AND AUTHORIZATION OF A TRANSFER OF CONTINGENCY FUNDS OF $25,000. HEY, THAT'S A NICE, I LIKE THAT BACKGROUND. THANK YOU. TAKE TWO. THERE YOU GO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. I AM HERE TO PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE A HORSE SCULPTURE THAT WILL BE ADDED TO OUR PUBLIC ART COLLECTION, SHOULD IT BE APPROVED. AND IT'S AN UNEXPECTED, UH, PURCHASE, BUT WE DO HAVE CONTINGENCY FUNDS. SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKSTORY. SO YOU KNOW HOW THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED RECENTLY. UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE FAMILIAR, PEGGY LANNING HAS HAD GALLERIES FOR 40 YEARS IN SEDONA AND THEY WERE LOCATED ON 1 79 WHEN YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON THE RIGHT SIDE PEST HILLSIDE. AND THERE WAS ALWAYS A HORSE IN FRONT OF THESE GALLERIES FOR YEARS. AND I'VE ALWAYS PERSONALLY ADMIRED THIS HORSE, BUT I FOUND OUT IT WASN'T ONE HORSE. THERE WERE SEVEN OR EIGHT HORSES OVER TIME BECAUSE THEY KEPT SELLING THEM. SO THEY WERE DIFFERENT HORSES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. PEGGY'S FAVORITE HORSE WAS STORMY BAY, SO SHE PURCHASED IT FOR HERSELF. AND WHEN SHE RETIRED, UM, SHE SOLD THE GALLERY AND MOVED STORMY BAY TO HER PROPERTY IN BRISTOL CONE PINES. AND, UM, SINCE VERY RECENTLY, PEGGY HAS MOVED TO TUCSON AND IT'S JUST IMPRACTICAL TO MOVE THE HORSE. SO I GOT THE CALL. IS THE CITY INTERESTED IN PERCHING THIS HORSE? AND THAT'S HOW THAT CAME ABOUT. SO I, UM, SERENDIPITOUSLY HAPPENED TO BE ON THE RANGER PARK, UH, STATION WORK GROUP, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR VISION FOR THE RANGER STATION. AND SO PART OF THAT IS TO KEEP AND HONOR THE HISTORY OF THE LAND AND THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS WHAT KIND OF ART COULD GO THERE THAT WOULD FIT. AND SO WHEN I PRESENTED TO THE WORK GROUP, THEY WERE UNANIMOUS. AND STEVE MERTIS IS LEADING THE WORK GROUP, SO HE'S SITTING HERE WITH ME. UM, AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS. SO HERE I AM AT CITY COUNCIL TO PRESENT THIS. SO LET'S GET INTO SOME DETAILS. FIRST, LEMME MOVE OVER. UM, SO THIS IS A MONUMENTAL SCULPTURE. IT IS MADE OUT OF FABRICATED STEEL. IT WAS CREATED IN 2007. I SPOKE WITH THE ARTIST DIXIE JEWETT, WHO HAPPENS TO NOW LIVE IN PORTLAND AND SHE STILL CREATES ART, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I REACHED OUT TO SEE, UM, WHAT SHE'S BEEN UP TO. BUT, UM, [01:25:01] SHE CREATED THIS IN JANUARY, 2007. IT TOOK ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS AND IT WAS COMPLETED IN MAY, 2007. THE PIECE STANDS 11 FEET HIGH, 11 FEET LONG, AND TWO AND A HALF FEET WIDE. AND IT'S 2000 POUNDS. THESE HORSES AND PEGGY SOLD ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT OF THEM SOLD FOR 50,000. AND THAT IS INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION THAT GOES TO THE GALLERY. SO WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THIS FOR 25,000. OUR BUDGETED CONTINGENCY IS 200,000, AND SO THE FUNDS COULD BE TRANSFERRED FROM THEM IF THIS IS APPROVED. TRANSPORT FEE IS VERY NOMINAL. I CAN PICK THAT UP WITH MY ARTS AND CULTURE FUNDS. AND, UM, I FOUND SOMEONE WHO CAN DO THIS FOR THREE 70, WHICH IS AMAZING BECAUSE I GOT ANOTHER QUOTE FOR A THOUSAND FOR THE EXACT SAME JOB. SO I WOULD GO WITH THIS PERSON. UM, SO IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, WHAT'S REALLY COOL ABOUT THIS PIECE IS THAT IT CHECKS OFF OUR SUSTAINABILITY BOXES BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SUSTAINABILITY CREATED BECAUSE IT'S MADE OUT OF REFOUND OBJECTS AND REPURPOSED MATERIALS. SO IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING SPEAKING WITH THE ARTIST. SHE'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT SHE DOES AND ALL SHE LOVES OLD FARM EQUIPMENT AND OLD CAR PARTS AND THINGS THAT PATINA REALLY BEAUTIFULLY OVER TIME. SO IN THIS PIECE SHE SAID THERE WERE LUG NUTS, RAILROAD SPIKES, HORSESHOES, YOU CAN SEE THEM ON CERTAIN PARTS, PITCHFORKS, PARTS OF PITCHFORKS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE KNEES THAT I ZOOMED IN ON, THERE'S, THOSE ARE SCROLLS FROM, UM, PARK BENCHES. SO IT'S A VERY CREATIVE WAY OF, UM, PUTTING, BUILDING THIS HORSE. SO THIS WAS A NATURAL, UM, FIT FOR THE PROP FOR OUR SEDONA PROPERTY, THE RANGER STATION PARK. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE WORK GROUP IS INCLUDES, UM, STEVE IS LEADING IT MYSELF, JOSH FREEMAN, JASON VARGO, NATE MYERS WHO IS HERE, AND AL KAMALA WHO IS HERE. AND GOLDEN, UH, LINDA GOLDSTEIN COULDN'T MAKE IT, BUT SHE DID SEND YOU, UM, A LETTER THAT YOU PROBABLY READ TODAY OF HER SUPPORT. UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IN KEEPING WITH THE HONORING THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY IS, UM, WE MAY HAVE SUGGEST WALKING PATHS WITH INTERPRETIVE PANELS THAT SHARES THE HISTORY OF SEDONA, THIS BUILDING AND THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE HEART OF SEDONA. AND SO IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO TELL SOME STORIES ABOUT SEDONA, ABOUT THE PROPERTY, ABOUT THE HISTORY OF ART IN SEDONA, UM, AND ALL KEEPING WITH A RUSTIC THEME. ALSO, BACK IN THE DAY IN 1917 WHEN THIS WAS HERE AND LIFE WAS VERY ACTIVE ON THIS PROPERTY, PEOPLE TRAVELED BY HORSE, UM, AND ON HORSEBACK. SO EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS PIECE, JUST TO ME SEEMED KISMET AND, UM, AND FITTING ON MANY COUNTS. SO THE WORK GROUP, UM, WITH SANDY PHILLIPS AND UM, UH, LARRY FAHART ALL MET AND WALKED AROUND THE PROPERTY TO SEE WHERE SHOULD WE PLACE THIS. AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THIS LOCATION BECAUSE OF SEVERAL REASONS. IT'S A VERY PROMINENT SPOT. UM, AND WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING SOUTH ON BREWER AND COMING UP THAT HILL FIRST YOU'LL SEE THE ENTRANCE SIGN, WHICH HASN'T BEEN CREATED YET, BUT THAT WILL BE WORKED ON AND, AND BLEND IN WITH A THEME. YOU SEE THE HORSE, WHICH IS HUGE, AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A WELCOMING SIGN AND A LANDMARK. AND THEN YOU KEEP DRIVING AND YOU SEE THE HOUSE AND THEN THE BARN. AND THE REASON WE DIDN'T, YOU, YOU THINK HORACE PUT IT BY THE BARN. WE DIDN'T GO THERE BECAUSE WE REALLY WANNA RESPECT THE VIEW SHED AND NOT, AND LEAVE IT THE WAY THE PROPERTY WAS YEARS AGO. AND SO WE KEPT THAT SPACE OPEN. AND SO THAT WAS WHAT OUR SUGGESTION WAS FOR PLACEMENT. SO THIS IS THE VIEW GOING, UH, SOUTH, AND THIS IS THE VIEW GOING NORTH. YOU JUST SEE HIM UP ON AN ANGLE FAR BACK FROM THE ROAD, BUT STILL STANDING OUT BY THE ENTRANCE. THE REASON THAT THIS IS SO TIMELY IS THAT NOW THERE'S A NEW PROPERTY MANAGER AND THERE'S THIS BIG HORSE ON THE PROPERTY AND HE'S BEEN NUDGING ALONG LIKE, WHEN CAN WE MOVE THIS? AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M PRESENTING THIS NOW. AND BECAUSE OF TIMING, HPC DOESN'T MEET UNTIL JANUARY, BUT STAFF LIAISON IS STEVE AND UM, NATE IS ON HPC. AND, AND I'M HAPPY TO GO WITH THEM AND PRESENT ALL THIS TO THEM IN JANUARY. SO THEY WILL BE IN THE LOOP. THIS JUST SHOWS AN AERIAL. SO IF YOU SEE THE LITTLE RED ARROW, THAT'S WHERE IT IS FROM LOOKING DOWN THERE. I JUST WANNA TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT INSTALLATION. SO THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING PIECE THAT THE ARTIST ALREADY, UM, FIGURED THERE'S NO NEED FOR BIG, UH, CEMENT BLOCKS TO AND PADS TO, OR FOUR OF THEM FOR EACH HOOF. THESE, EACH HOOF HAS ACTUALLY ELEVATED OFF THE GROUND WITH STEEL PADS. AND SO IT'S ALWAYS FOR THE LIFE OF THIS HORSE HAS BEEN SITTING ON THE GROUND. UM, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE PUTTING IT ON GRAVEL TO RAISE IT A LITTLE HIGHER SO THAT IT MITIGATES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HEAVY RAINSTORMS IS NOT A POOL OF WATER, BUT IT'S BEEN SITTING LIKE THIS AND IT'S FINE. BUT I THINK WITHOUT HAVING PADS, IT JUST LOOKS MORE NATURAL THE WAY IT IS. AND THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE TO JUST LEAVE AS IS AND JUST TRANSPORT THAT WAY. [01:30:01] AND OF COURSE IT WOULD HAVE A PLAQUE. UM, MY CONTACT FOR THIS CORRESPONDENCE WAS THROUGH PEGGY'S DAUGHTER KIMBER, AND I JUST WANTED TO READ A QUOTE. SHE SAYS, THIS IS A GIFT TO THE LANNING CLAN TO KEEP STORMY BAY THERE AND IN VIEW FOR ALL WE ARE VERY HONORED. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE. AND THIS IS THE END OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. UM, AND THEN IF STEVE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? OR I, HELLO, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCILORS, UM, I THINK HER PRESENTATION SAID IT VERY WELL. UM, THE WORK GROUP I'VE BEEN HAVING FUN WORKING WITH, AND THEY'RE ALL DEDICATED. UM, THEY, THEY'RE ALL NOT JUST DEDICATED TO THIS PROJECT, BUT TO THE CITY ITSELF. UH, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO, UH, CREATE HARDSCAPES AND, AND UM, THEMES, UH, FOR THIS PARK, WHICH ARE UNIQUE AND WHICH WILL HELP BRING THE COMMUNITY FORTH AND, AND CREATE INTEREST, UH, AND USE OF THE PARK. AND, UH, THIS HORSE CERTAINLY DOES FOLLOW THAT THOUGHT PROCESS OF THE THEME OF THIS PARK, THE HISTORY OF THE PARK, THE HEART OF SEDONA. UM, AND SO, UH, I THINK IT WAS SERENDIPITOUS THAT, UH, THIS CAME UPON US AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. THERE WERE TWO SPEAKERS GET THAT FILLED OUT CARDS. THEY SAID WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A, IN A MOMENT. WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM, OH, SORRY. THE COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL KINSELLA. I I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. SO THERE'S $200,000 IN THE CONTINGENCY FUND. THIS WOULD TAKE 25,000 OF THAT. HAVE THERE BEEN OTHER TRANSFERS OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY FUND? THAT GOOD QUESTION, KAREN. CAN YOU ANSWER COUNSELOR? NOTHING GETS TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY FUND WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL. RIGHT. SO IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE ACTUALLY DO DIP INTO THE CONTINGENCY FUND. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THE LAST TIME WE CAME AND ASKED FOR, UH, AN ALLOCATION OR A TRANSFER, BUT THIS IS THE ONLY ONE IN, SO THAT LEAVES 175,000 IN THERE, WHICH IS OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE SECOND QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THE TIMING OF THE INSTALLATION. 'CAUSE YOU SAID THERE'S SOME PRESSURE ON THERE TO GET THIS DONE. UM, BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE, THE PROPERTY OF THE PERSON WHO RELOCATED, BUT THE PARK'S STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT DAMAGE PLACEMENT NOW? IS THERE A TEMPORARY HOLDING OR HOW WILL THAT BE? HOW WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED? WELL, INITIALLY WE WERE THINKING THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE ARE LANDSCAPING NOW, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SPOT IT'S IN, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO PUT IT THERE. IT'S JUST DIRT. WE COULD PUT GRAVEL IN AND WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT IT BEING ALL THE LANDSCAPING IS FURTHER, UM, SOUTH. AND IF I COULD INTERJECT, THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY WE ARE WORKING WITH, UH, SANDY AND LARRY, UH, WHO SANDY IS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE, FOR THE SITE. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, UH, SO THAT WE DID HAVE THE, THE ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS LIKE YOURS. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. OKAY, PETE, NO QUESTIONS. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON? NO QUESTIONS. VICE MAYOR, NO QUESTION. COUNCILOR DUNN VOLTZ, SIR? NO, THANK YOU. . OH, OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. OKAY. UH, AND I'M LOOKING HERE IN THE PACKET AND I'M, I'M SEEING A VIEW, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE LOCATION AND HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE ROAD AND, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF AN ACCIDENT, A CAR ACCIDENT SINCE WE'VE HAD ONE HIT ON ONE OF CLOSE TO ONE OF OUR SCULPTURES IN THE UPTOWN NORTHBOUND, UH, NORTHERN ROUNDABOUT ARE BALLOTS NECESSARY TO PROTECT IT FROM THE POSSIBILITY OF A CAR LEAVING THE ROAD? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE HIGHER UP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE ONES ON THE ROUNDABOUT ARE LIFTED UP TO PROTECT THEM. BUT WE HAD THE BALLOTS HIT BY A, UH, INTOXICATED DRIVER, I BELIEVE RIGHT, A COUPLE YEARS AGO. AND THIS IS ON, IF I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE, THE BEND OF THE ROAD. YEAH, IT'S SET BACK QUITE A WAYS. BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF MY CONCERNS AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE ROUNDABOUTS 'CAUSE I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THAT. AND FOR THE FUTURE ROUNDABOUTS I'M PROPOSING THAT WE, AND ANDY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, PUTTING A LOW WALL RETAINER WALL AROUND IT. SO IF SOMEONE IS INTOXICATED AND THEY BUMP IT, THEY'LL STOP SOMETHING TO PREVENT IT. AND WE COULD DO THAT HERE. UM, CREATE SOME KIND OF DESIGN SO THAT THERE'S A LOW WALL IN THE FRONT. UM, SO THAT IF ANYONE VEERS OFF THE ROAD, UM, TO ME THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. I DUNNO WHAT YOU, THERE ARE OTHER THOUGHTS THAT WE COULD HAVE, WHETHER IT BE LANDSCAPING, UM, THAT CAN INTERCEPT A VEHICLE BEFORE IT HITS THE STRUCTURE. UM, WE CAN RAISE IT UP HIGHER. UM, UH, ALONG WITH THE LANDSCAPING THE WALL, THERE ARE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN APPLY TO SOMETHING [01:35:01] MITIGATE THE, JUST SOMETHING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT LOOKS GOOD, WHERE IT LOOKS NATURAL. I WOULD JUST HATE, REALLY HATE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT FABULOUS DAMAGED AND IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE REPLACED. RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY HAD A, UH, UH, STATUE BY THE HUMANE SOCIETY HIT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND IT'S TAKEN A LOT TO GET IT REPAIRED. SO, UM, I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN HERE. UM, OKAY, WE HAVE CARDS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO, UH, FINAL COMMENTS. NATE MEYERS, I THINK YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THE, THE DRILL. SO AMAZING. NAME WHERE YOU LIVE, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, TELEPHONE NUMBER, ALL OF IT. HUH? ALL OF IT. OKAY. I'M NATE MYERS, UH, LIVE AT ONE 20 LOY LANE IN SEDONA. UM, MAYOR JALO, VICE MAYOR PLU COUNSELORS. I'M HERE TODAY AS A MEMBER OF THE RANGER STATION WORKING GROUP. THE GROUP WAS ORGANIZED IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT HISTORY AND ART ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE NEW PARK'S DESIGN AND WHEN IT'S COMPLETED, THE PARK USER'S EXPERIENCE. I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THE PURCHASE OF STORMY BAY AND MOVING IT TO THE NEW PARK ON BREWER ROAD, LOCATED IN THE HEART OF SEDONA, PHYSICALLY AND HISTORICALLY, THIS NEW PARK OFFERS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE THE HISTORY AND ART THAT MAKES SEDONA SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE. THE WORKING GROUP FOCUSED ON A THEME OF CREATIVITY AS WE DISCUSSED WHICH STORIES TO SHARE AND HOW TO SHARE THEM IN A WAY THAT WOULD SHOW PARK USERS WHAT MAKES SEDONA UNIQUE. HOW DOES STORMY BAY FIT THIS THEME? CREATED BY SEDONA ARTIST DIXIE JEWETT? THIS MONUMENTAL IRON ARTWORK IS MADE FROM FOUND PARTS CREATIVELY WELDED TOGETHER TO FORM THIS 11 FOOT TALL HORSE SCULPTURE. IT SPEAKS TO THE CREATIVE VISION OF THE ARTIST AND INNOVATIVE USE OF FOUND MATERIALS AND WESTERN THEMES, WHICH PLAY A SUBSTANTIAL ROLE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE PROPOSED LOCATION IN THE NORTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE PARK NEAR BREWER ROAD WILL ENSURE THAT ALL PARK USERS ARE GREETED BY STORMY BAY AS THE, AS THEY APPROACH ON BREWER ROAD, THE SCULPTURE WILL TELL THEM THEY'VE ARRIVED AND WILL SERVE AS A DRAW FOR PEOPLE TO VISIT THE PARK. THE LOCATION WAS ALSO SELECTED WITH AN EYE TOWARDS HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THE WORKING GROUP DESIRED TO KEEP STORMY BAY FAR FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THE 1917 RANGER STATION AND ACCOMPANYING BARN. BOTH STRUCTURES ARE LOCAL LANDMARKS ENLISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. THE GROUP WAS MINDFUL THAT THE PLACEMENT OF STORMY BAY COULD NOT IMPACT THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THOSE IMPORTANT STRUCTURES. IN SHORT, STORMY BAY WILL ENHANCE THE PARK BY HIGHLIGHTING THE CREATIVE, THE CREATIVE ARTISTRY, WHICH IS SUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY ALLUDING TO OUR COMMUNITY'S UNIQUE HERITAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, NATE. I APPRECIATE THAT AL CAMELO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ISABELLE AL KAWELL RESIDENT OF SEDONA, ARIZONA. UM, EVERYBODY HAS PRETTY WELL COVERED ALL THE POINTS THAT MAKE THIS A REALLY VALUABLE ACQUISITION FOR THE, UH, RANGER STATION PARK, THE HEART OF SEDONA. BUT I MUST ADD, THERE IS ONE STRONG ELEMENT THAT MAKES THIS REALLY VALUABLE AND THAT IS HOW WE SHOW PAY HOMAGE TO THE ARTIST AND THE ART GALLERY OWNERS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US. I KNEW PEGGY LANNING, I WORKED WITH HER OVER 25 YEARS AGO. AND I MUST ADMIT THE FACT THAT THIS PIECE OF ART WILL BE THERE IN THE PARK FOR DECADES TO COME IS A GREAT TESTAMENT TO, UM, THE ART WORLD OF SEDONA. WE TALK ABOUT SEDONA, UM, BEING A, UM, A PLACE THAT WE IN, UM, HONOR THE WORLD OF ART. AND I THINK THIS IS A, A, A GREAT MISSION. I ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WHEN THIS, UH, THE HOUSE WAS 1912 WAS BUILT, UH, THIS WAS BASICALLY A DIRT ROAD TOWN. MATTER OF FACT, THE VERDE VALLEY WAS A DIRT ROAD PLACE. AND WE FIGURED OUT TODAY HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GO FROM SEDONA TO CAMP VERDE BY HORSE. IT WAS A DAY LONG RIDE , UH, OVER, UM, IT WAS OVER, IT WAS INTERESTING HOW THE, IT SHOULD GO ON THE PLAQUE. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO IT REALLY DEMONSTRATES THAT SEDONAS COME A LONG WAY IN A HUNDRED YEARS. AND THIS IS ONE MONUMENT TO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU REL ISABELLE. SO NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT. YES, ISABELLE COZAAR. AND I'M NOW A RESIDENT OF CORNFIELD, BUT I'M HERE JUST TO, UM, SINCE I'M VERY INTIMATE WITH THIS HORSE, I'VE KNOWN THIS HORSE MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AND MANY OTHER HORSES THAT SHE CREATED AS WELL. AND DIXIE CREATED AS WELL. AND I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH IT JUST MAKES MY HEART SING TO THINK THAT THIS HORSE COULD END UP IN THE CITY AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE TO ENJOY IT AS THEY HAVE ENJOYED HER HORSES FOR SO MANY YEARS, DRIVING BY THE GALLERY. [01:40:01] AND THAT, UM, PEGGY'S LEGACY, YOU KNOW, IT, THAT IT CONTINUES TO LIVE IN SEDONA AFTER ALL THAT SHE CONTRIBUTED TO THE ART WORLD IN SEDONA. SO, UM, I JUST SAY, YAY . SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN I ADD ONE THING? YOU CAN. OKAY. I JUST WANNA ADD ABOUT PEGGY, 'CAUSE I DID WANNA BRING THAT UP. FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW. SHE WAS A RECIPIENT OF THE LAST MAYOR'S ARTS AWARDS FOR THE LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT, AND SHE STARTED THE, UM, FIRST FRIDAY, AND SHE ALSO STARTED THE SEDONA GALLERY ASSOCIATION. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ART HISTORY IN HER WORK THAT'S COMING AND STAYING IN SEDONA THROUGH, THROUGH THE CITY. SO THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ADD. THANK YOU, NANCY. OKAY. FINAL COMMENTS. COUNCILOR KINSELLA? I AM, I'M THRILLED WITH THIS PROJECT. I JUST THINK THAT I'M, I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE ART AS A PART OF THE PARK, AS WELL AS THE HISTORY THAT'S BEING PRESERVED THERE, THE ACTIVE AND THE PASSIVE SPACE BEING USED. I THINK THESE ARE ALL COMPLIMENTARY. I LOVE THE, THE NOD TO HISTORY, BOTH THE PHYSICAL HISTORY AS WELL AS THE ART HISTORY. UM, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT ADDITION AND REALLY SENSITIVE TO HOW THE PARK HAS BEEN MOVING ALONG IN DEVELOPMENT. SO I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU COUNCIL. PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES. YEAH, I, I TOTALLY AGREE. I'M SUPER HAPPY THAT WE'VE GOT A PROJECT FROM A VERY INTERESTING ARTIST AND A VERY CREATIVE PIECE THAT DOES SPEAK TO MANY OF THE THEMES THAT WE TALK ABOUT UP HERE. AND A SELLER WHO'S GOT A FINE REPUTATION IN THIS CITY FOR A PRICE THAT IS AMAZING. OUR ROUNDABOUT ART IS TWICE OR MORE OF THESE. SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT FIND, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON. YEAH, I, UH, I JUST LIKE ANYTHING THAT'S INTERESTING AND DISTINCTIVE AND SOMETHING TO SEE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. I THINK IT, I, IT, IT FITS WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IT AND, UM, I, I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. UH, IT'S AN INTERESTING PROJECT. I'M REALLY GLAD THAT I LIKE THE IDEA. I GUESS I'M GONNA SAY I LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS KIND OF A GROUP PUT TOGETHER FOR A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS TO, TO BRING DISTINCTION AND UNIQUENESS AND AUTHENTICITY TO MORE OF OUR, OF OUR, UH, PROJECTS. I THINK THAT THIS IS A, IS A GOOD MODEL FOR HOW WE MIGHT WANT TO STRUCTURE, UH, URBAN DESIGN FEATURES AND, AND, UH, DISTINCTION, UNIQUENESS AND DISTINCTION INTO SOME OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS. SO, THANK YOU. THANKS, MAYOR. SO, STORMY BAY IS MY NEIGHBOR, , LITERALLY, AND IT WOULD REALLY BE HEARTBREAKING FOR, FOR THE HORSE TO LEAVE SEDONA. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, BY THE WAY, THE HORSE IS ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? AND IT HAS, NOT THAT WE HAVE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC ON OUR ROAD, BUT IT IS, IT ARE CARS. AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY ISSUE WITH ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, DAMAGING THE HORSE. UH, I KNOW THAT $25,000 WAS THE PRICE OF THIS HORSE MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. IT IS A PHENOMENAL BUY. AND IF THE CITY DIDN'T BUY IT, I WOULD THINK ABOUT BUYING IT MYSELF, ACTUALLY. SO WE KEEP IT ON BRISTOL CONE PINES ROAD, , , BUT PEOPLE ACTUALLY STOP AND THEY TAKE PHOTOS ALL THE TIME WITH THIS HORSE AND, AND PEOPLE JUST LOVE IT. SO I, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S BEAUTIFULLY CONSTRUCTED. WHEN YOU, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN PERSON, YOU'LL BE REALLY AMAZED AT IT. I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS CAST DUNN. SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, UM, I'M BIG INTO STEAMPUNK ART AND BASICALLY THIS HORSE IS STEAMPUNK ART. UM, AND, AND SO RIGHT AWAY IT HAS A LOT GOING FOR IT. UM, I, I AM A BIG BELIEVER IN, IN ART IS, YOU KNOW, AND KEEPING LANDMARKS, UM, THAT MAKE US UNIQUE AND OTHER ASPECTS OF OUR COMMUNITY COME AND VISIT. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL SORT OF SITTING HERE IN THIS, IN THIS HORSE. I'VE NOT NOTICED THE HORSE ON BRISTOL KIND CO PINES, BUT NOW I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP DRIVING LIKE, PAST VICE MAYOR'S HOUSE, MAYBE TO AN NOYER. I DON'T KNOW, , JUST DON'T HIT IT. HOW, HOWEVER, UM, TO, TO SOMETHING TOWARDS WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, AS YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THE INSTALLATION OF [01:45:01] THIS HORSE, THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S A PARK, UH, WITH CHILDREN'S PLAY PIECES THAT LOOK A LOT LIKE, UM, SOMETHING THEY WOULD WANT TO CLIMB ON. AND THIS HORSE MAY, UM, BE ENCOURAGED BY A JAVELINA THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT KIDS ARE GOING TO CLIMB ON. SO YOU MAY, UM, WANT TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THIS MIGHT BE ATTRACTIVE IN A WAY. YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE ATTRACTIVE, AND IT IS METAL. SO AS YOU'RE, I'M OBVIOUSLY I'M SUPPORTIVE, I'M JUST SAYING, UM, LET'S TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION TOO, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO A ARC WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE KIDS TO CLIMB ON THINGS. COUNCIL FOLTZ. THANK YOU MAYOR NANCY, YOU MENTIONED, UH, A PLACARD, UH, ACCOMPANYING THIS. CAN YOU SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, IS IT MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, ARTIST'S NAME? IS IT GONNA HAVE SOME OF THE HISTORY THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT? YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK, UM, IT HASN'T BEEN DEFINITIVE, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE THE ARTIST'S NAME AND THE HISTORY OF THE HORSE. THE LANDING'S ACTUALLY OFFERED TO PAY FOR THE, UM, PLAQUE. UM, AND IF WE WANTED TO PUT MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE HORSE AND PEGGY'S HISTORY, BECAUSE PART OF THE PARK IS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE ARTISTS, AND SHE'S BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 40 YEARS WITH WHAT SHE'S CONTRIBUTED GALLERY WISE AND THINGS. SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TOO. SO AGAIN, NOTHING'S DEFINITIVE, BUT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE, IT WOULDN'T JUST BE THE, IT JUST WOULDN'T, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU, IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THERE'S JUST A PLAQUE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, STORMY BAY DIXIE DUET. IT'S LIKE THE SMALL, RIGHT? IT'D BE MORE ELABORATE. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD BE LEAVING IT SHORT TO NOT PROVIDE SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT THAT PEOPLE WOULD APPRECIATE. UH, I ALSO WOULD, UM, ECHO, UH, COUNSELOR DUNN'S CONCERN THAT, THAT HORSE, I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURE RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS, CLIMB ON ME. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I HOPE THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO CLIMB ON GIVEN ITS SIZE, AND I HOPE THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, PARTICULARLY SHARP AREAS THAT LITTLE HANDS MIGHT GET CUT ON WHEN THEY DO TRY TO, UH, CLIMB ON THE HORSE. SO DON'T WANNA BE A LITTLE BLACK RAIN CLOUD ON THAT, BUT IT'S LIKE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S GONNA TRY TO CLIMB ON THAT HORSE. I KNOW THIS QUESTION CAME UP AND IT'S SUPER HARD. I, FROM, I'VE WALKED AROUND THIS THING A MILLION TIMES LOOKING FOR THOSE EXACT ISSUES THAT COULD BE, UM, THE WAY IT'S SOLDERED AND WELDED. EVERYTHING SEEMS, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING SUPER SHARP AND IT'S SO TALL THAT I DON'T KNOW WHO COULD CLIMB THAT. I MEAN, I'M SURE I COULD NEVER GET UP THERE, BUT, AND ESPECIALLY KIDS, I DON'T THINK COULD, BUT, UM, I MEAN, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONSIDER WHEN WE INSTALL IT. WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK ALL THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. I TOO, I'M THRILLED. A LOCAL ARTIST, A LOCAL PIECE OF ARTWORK THAT I HAVE SEEN DRIVING TO THE VICE MAYOR'S HOUSE, . AND, UM, I'M JUST SO EXCITED. THE PRICE IS GREAT. UH, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT UNTIL I READ THE PACKET, AND IT'S FROM OTHER PIECES OF METAL, SO IT'S VERY SUSTAINABLE, WHICH IS, I MEAN, IT REALLY DOES CHECK OFF A LOT OF BOXES, BUT THE FACT IS IT'S JUST GORGEOUS. SO, YES, I, I WOULD SUPPORT IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, WHEN YOU'RE READY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. YES. OKAY. I WANNA MAKE THE MOTION. YOU WANNA, OH WAIT, IT'S HER NEIGHBOR, SO SHE HAS TO, SHE HAS TO MAKE, THERE'LL BE HARD FEELINGS HERE FOREVER. OH, VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THIS. ARE WE READY FOR MOTION? YES, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE A BUDGET TRANSFER OF $25,000 FROM THE CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT TO COVER THE COST AND APPROVE THE AGREEMENT TO ACQUIRE ARTWORK TO PURCHASE THE HORSE SCULPTURE STORMY BAY FROM PEGGY LANNING IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $25,000. SECOND, I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION PLEASE. ANY DISCUSSION? NO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OF COURSE NOT. OKAY. UNANIMOUS. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR, UH, COMING AND SPEAKING. OKAY. FIVE MINUTES BREAK. UH, FIVE. WE MAY JUST TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK OR 15, JOE. UH, IS IT THERE? YES. LET'S TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. IT'S KIND OF SAD THOUGH, IT ORIGINALLY, WHILE WE, ALRIGHT JOE, WE'RE BACK ON. YES. ALL RIGHT. I CAN NEED GLASSES. [8.e. AB 2995 Discussion/possible action regarding authorization of a proposed fare and fare policy for the city’s MicroTransit (Sedona Shuttle Connect) service.] ITEM E AB 29 95. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AUTHORIZATION OF A PROPOSED FAIR AND FAIR POLICY FOR THE CITY'S MICRO TRANSIT. SEDONA SHUTTLE CONNECT SERVICE. ROBERT. THANK YOU MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, GOOD TO BE [01:50:01] BACK. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME, UH, YES, THIS ITEM ITEM'S BEEN BEFORE, BEFORE YOU, UM, PARDON MY VOICE. JUST GOT BACK FROM NORTH CAROLINA. GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A NORTH ATLANTIC COLD. UM, SO WE MET ORIGINALLY, THIS DIALOGUE BEGAN, UM, JANUARY OF 22, WHERE WE BEGAN TO DISCUSS THE FRAMEWORK FOR A FAIR, FOR OUR MICRO CHANCE SERVICE. UH, WE WERE HOPEFUL THEN THAT WE WOULD BE STARTING THE SERVICE VERY SHORTLY. THEN OF COURSE, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THE HISTORY FROM THEN ON. WE'VE BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY DELAYED DUE TO VEHICLE MANUFACTURING. UM, SO FROM THERE WE MET A SECOND TIME TO GET FURTHER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL REALLY, IF ANYTHING, TO, TO BEGIN WITH A PROPOSED FAIR STRUCTURE THAT WE COULD TAKE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, WHICH WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO BY THE STATE. AND ALSO, KEEP IN MIND, THERE ARE FEDERAL DOLLARS IN THIS PROJECT THROUGH THE FTA. SO WE HAVE FEDERAL NOTICE REQUIREMENT, PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. SO WE, WE MET, UM, IN OCTOBER OF 2022, AND I'M, I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE BASE FAIR. AT THAT POINT, COUNSEL GAVE DIRECTION TO GO OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT WITH A $6 ONE WAY FAIR, $3 DISCOUNT. AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THE, THE, UH, THE DISCOUNT ELIGIBILITY, UM, WA WAS ALSO OUTLINED, UM, AT THAT TIME. SO WE DID THAT. UM, WE ACTUALLY CAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PROCESS BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE FEDERAL DOLLARS IN THE MICRO TRANSIT PROGRAM. UM, NOT ONLY OPERATING BUT CAPITAL. SO WE HAD TO DO THE STATE CITY PUBLIC NOTICE AND FTA NOTICE, WHICH INVOLVED SEVERAL NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER, A PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH WE DID VIRTUALLY. AND WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND REALLY GOT VERY LITTLE COMMENT BACK. UH, THE COMMENTS, I WON'T GO THROUGH THEM, ARE IN YOUR PACKET. UM, THEY'RE FROM A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS. ONE WAS FROM A COUNTY SOCIAL WORKER AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER. SO, UM, AT THAT POINT WHEN WE GOT THOSE COMMENTS BACK, I, BEFORE COMING BACK HERE TO COUNCIL, I THOUGHT AT BEST LET LET THE STACK TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT, THE SEDONA TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH THOSE COMMENTS. AND THEY DID, AND THEY ALSO WEIGHED IN WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, THEIR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS A SIX MONTH FREE FAIR. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE A FAIR THAT WE BEGIN WITH A $2 FAIR AND A $1 DISCOUNT, ELIMINATE THE MULTI TRIPP PASS AND THEN KEEP ALL OF THE DISCOUNTED FAIR ELIGIBILITY THE SAME AS, AS COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT A $6 FARE, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE RECEIVED VERBAL COMMENTS OVER THAT PERIOD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE, I, I PLEADED WITH 'EM. PLEASE PUT IT IN WRITING SO WE COULD HAVE SOME MORE , MORE COMMENTS. BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, I MET WITH, UH, THE QANTAS CLUB, UM, OTHER GROUPS, CITIZENS GROUPS, NOT TO AS MUCH ELICIT FEEDBACK ON THE FARES, BUT TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE MICRO CHANCES SERVICE, THE FARES CAME UP. AND THEN, YEAH, I DID RECEIVE A LOT OF COMMENT, YOU KNOW, VERBAL COMMENT, BASICALLY SAYING THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH FARE. ONE EXAMPLE GIVEN TO ME, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY GREAT EXAMPLE, IS A FAMILY OF FOUR AT $6 ROUND TRIP WOULD PAY LIKE $48 TO GO, SAY FROM THEIR HOTEL TO, TO LOCK A HOCKEY AND BACK. SO THAT, THAT WAS A PRETTY POWERFUL STATEMENT. SO WITH ALL OF THAT, UM, THE STACK FEEDBACK, THE VERY SPARSE PUBLIC COMMENT WE HAVE, AND ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER MICROT TRANSIT SYSTEMS, NOT ONLY IN ARIZONA BUT ALSO IN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A FEW. MOUNTAIN LIONS, UM, IS A BUCK 25 WITH A 60 CENT DISCOUNT. CASA GRANDE JUST LAUNCHED THEIR MICROT TRANSIT. THEY ARE DOING A SIX MONTH FREE FARE, BUT AT THE END OF THAT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS AS WE'VE DONE, IF THEY WISH TO IMPOSE A FAIR, GLENDALE LAUNCHED A MICRO TRANSIT. DO, THEY'RE DOING A $5 REGULAR FAIR WITH A $2 DISCOUNT. THEY LAUNCHED IN DECEMBER OF 2022. PRESCOTT VALLEY, UH, RECENT LAUNCH, $2 $1 GOODYEAR, $2, $1 PHOENIX METRO, $2, $1. UM, [01:55:01] WITH MY, UH, I JUST GOT BACK FROM A CONFERENCE, AS I MENTIONED, UH, FROM SOUTH CAROLINA NATIONAL CONFERENCE RURAL CONFERENCE, UH, WENT TO A COUPLE OF THE MICRO TRANSIT, UH, SESSIONS WHERE A COUPLE PROPERTIES WERE HOSTED. ONE IN MASSACHUSETTS, ONE IN TEXAS, $2, $1 DISCOUNT. SO I'M, I'M SEEING THAT THEME GOING, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CONSISTENT FOR THAT, FOR THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO WITH THAT, I'M, I WILL PUT A RECOMMENDATION OUT THERE FOR THE $2 $1 FAIR COUNSEL HAS ABSOLUTE DISCRETION TO CHARGE ANY FAIR THEY WISH AS LONG AS WE ADHERE TO THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS OF IMPOSING THAT DISCOUNTED FARE FOR INDIVIDUALS, UH, OVER 65 OR MEDICARE CARD HOLDERS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TONIGHT. OKAY. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ONLY HAVE FOUR VEHICLES. IS THAT AT, I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING AND I SEE THE TREND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR VEHICLE THING IS, BUT LET'S ASSUME IT'S THE SAME. IF WE LAUNCH IT AND IT'S FOUR VEHICLES AND THE WAITING TIME GETS TO BE VERY LONG, THEN PEOPLE WON'T, WON'T USE IT. I MEAN, I, I GUESS THERE'S NO, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING. AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE YOUR ANSWER. DO YOU HAVE, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE CONCERN ABOUT ONLY HAVING FOUR VEHICLES? AND PRESUMABLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE BUSY ALL THE TIME, BUT IS THERE A, THEY, IS THERE A, A POSSIBILITY THAT, WELL, OF COURSE THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY. I'M SORRY, I'M KIND OF HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH MYSELF OBVIOUSLY. SO I'M SORRY. UM, IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THEIR OWN BEING FOUR VEHICLES AT THIS PRICE? OR IS THIS ONE OF THOSE CASES, WHICH YOU'VE OFTEN SAID IS, WELL, WE HAVE, WE DON'T KNOW YET. WE HAVE TO TRY AND THEN WE'LL KNOW. YEAH, A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. YOU KNOW, , THE, UH, WE DID, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF THE NEWER COUNSELORS, WE DID RUN A SERIES OF SIMULATIONS IN JUNE OF 2021. AND AGAIN, THE PROBLEM WAS WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY TRANSIT DATA. SO THEY'RE PULLING TRAFFIC DATA, THEY'RE PULLING HOTEL OCCUPANCY DATA. UH, THEY BEING THE MICROT TRANSIT, UH, SOFTWARE FOLKS, THIS IS, THIS IS THEIR MACINTOSH PRODUCT, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GOOD AT. BUT THEY SAID IT WAS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE IN SEDONA NOT HAVING ANY KIND OF TRANSIT DATA. UH, THEY LOOKED AT, LIKE, AS I SAID, TRAFFIC DATA. THEY EVEN LOOKED AT CELL PHONE TOWER HITS, BASICALLY PULLED EVERYTHING THEY COULD ON THESE SIMULATIONS. I GAVE YOU THAT BACKGROUND TO SAY WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH AS A POTENTIAL PROJECTION. AND THAT IS AT FOUR VEHICLES DEPLOYED, TRYING TO MEET THE 15 MINUTE WAIT TIME, WHICH IS CRUCIAL FOR THE SUCCESS OF A MICRO CHANCE SERVICE OR ON DEMAND SERVICE. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WAIT PAST 15. SO OUR GOAL IS TO GET THAT VEHICLE TO THE CURB 15 MINUTES AFTER THE REQUEST. SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING WAS THE TRIPS COULD, YOU KNOW, IN THE OFF SEASONS BE AS MANY AS 96 A DAY TO 320, UH, PASSENGERS COULD BE 184 TO 536 PER DAY , THAT IS ALL I GOT. . SO UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET OUT, AND THEY'VE EVEN SAID IT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE SIMULATION. AND UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET OUT THERE IN REAL WORLD AND START PULLING REAL DATA, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANYTHING THAT I SAY IS GONNA BE SPECULATIVE, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU CAN IMPOSE IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF YOU'D MAKE A DECISION TO GO WITH A $2 FAIR TO TODAY OR SOME OTHER RENT, UM, FAIR LEVEL, THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T RAISE FARES AT A LATER TIME. WE JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AGAIN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS A LITTLE ONEROUS, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION, IF I FINALLY GOT TO WHERE I CAN PHRASE IT, , IS DOES IT MAKE, WOULD IT MY MIND, IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO START WITH FOUR AND TWO AND, AND AND SEE THERE, SINCE WE ONLY HAVE FOUR VEHICLES AND, BUT I, I GUESS I HAVE NO MORE REASON TO THINK THAT'S RIGHT THAN TWO AND ONE. YEAH, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS AS A CONSERVATIVE BEING CONSERVATIVE [02:00:01] FOR ME WOULD BE FOUR AND TWO. AND THEN, BUT THEN YOU ONCE AGAIN HAVE THE FAMILY OF FOUR PAYING $32 TO GET IN AND GO SOMEWHERE. AND THAT IS KIND OF UNTENABLE ONCE YOU PUT IT AT THAT LEVEL, THE TWO IN ONE REALLY WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. YOU, YOU COULD GET LOST IN, IN THE MATH FOR SURE. I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS, WE WANT TO, I, I THINK THAT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? OKAY. BEGIN WITH THE END IN MIND. I MEAN, WE TRYING TO GET CARS OFF THE ROAD, THEN WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE PROVIDING AN INCENTIVE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. IF WE HAVE MORE DEMAND THAN SUPPLY, THAT CAN BE A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE. IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE, THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DEAL WITH IT WITH DEMAND, AT LEAST MAYBE OTHERS, BUT AT LEAST THE ONES I'M AWARE OF. ONE IS YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE LEVEL OF, UH, RESOURCES, UH, TO, TO MEET THAT DEMAND. OR YOU CAN DECREASE THE NUMBER OF RESOURCES , RIGHT? OR YOU CAN, YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR FARE AS A, A RIDERSHIP GOVERNOR. SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR, YOUR FARE TO, TO SLOW YOUR RIDERSHIP. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M YOUR TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR. I'M GOING TO GO FOR HIGH RIDERSHIP EVERY TIME. . THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE FUNDED . THE MORE RIDERSHIP THAT WE, UM, GENERATE, THE BETTER CHANCE I'M GONNA HAVE, UH, GOING AFTER FEDERAL GRANT MONEY. 'CAUSE THAT SHOWS, UH, THAT SHOWS UTILIZATION OF THE SERVICES. AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE GRANTEES LIKE TO SEE. SO, OKAY. UH, PETE WOULD NEXT, KATHY, THEN THE VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU MAYOR. THE WAY DOWN. ROBERT. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THIS NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO DIVE DEEP INTO THE FAIR SETTING, UH, LITERATURE THAT'S OUT THERE. AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I WAS STRUCK BY THE NUMBER OF ARTICLES, RECENT ARTICLES THAT TALK ABOUT CONSIDERATION OF FAIR FREE MODELS AND MANY SYSTEMS CONVERTING AND JUSTIFYING FAIR FREE CAN, I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR, I'M A LAYMAN READING THIS STUFF. I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR OPINION OF, OF THAT LITERATURE. NO, IT'S TRUE. THERE'S, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT. CO REALLY SENT THAT OFF BECAUSE WHEN COVID HAPPENED, TRANSIT PROPERTIES WANTED TO ELIMINATE ANY KIND OF CONTACT BETWEEN MONEY AND PEOPLE AND ALL THAT. SO SPARES, SPARES, FAIRS WERE SUSPENDED NATIONWIDE. UH, WHEN COVID FIRST HIT, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY WHERE I USED TO WORK, UM, WE SUSPENDED THOSE IMMEDIATELY. WELL, RIDERSHIP WENT DOWN ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. MM-HMM. . BUT WHAT WE, WE USED TO TRACK A MATRIX OF NUMBER OF VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSES TO THE SYSTEM. AND WHAT WE NOTICED WAS OUR NUMBER OF VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, WENT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY DURING A FREE FARE OPERATION. WE HAD MORE ASSAULTS ON BOARD. WE HAD AN OPERATOR STABBED, WE'VE HAD PASSENGERS STABBED, WE HAD AN INCREASED CRIME LE LEVEL, ALL OF THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU IT WAS LIKE GIVEN TO A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE, BUT WHEN YOU OPEN UP THAT SYSTEM TO A FREE FAIR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY YOU MIGHT WANT, WE MIGHT BE DEALING WITH. CERTAINLY NOT AT THE DEGREE I HAVE IN MY PAST, BUT THAT, THAT COULD BECOME AN ISSUE EVEN HERE IN SEDONA. SO I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF IT, BUT I CAN FINISH THE STORY AND TELL YOU THAT AFTER I STARTED HERE IN SEDONA, I, I ASKED THE GM, I SAID, HEY, HOW DID IT, WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU GUYS RESTORED FARES? WELL, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR MILES TRAVELED WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY AND RIDERSHIP WENT UP BECAUSE PEOPLE FELT SAFER ON THE SYSTEM. SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT AREN'T IN THOSE ARTICLES , BUT THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER. WELL, GOOD, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ONE OF THE REALLY INTERESTING DOCUMENTS THAT I FELT WAS JUST REALLY WELL DONE, HOWEVER IT WAS OLD, IS THIS, PERHAPS YOU KNOW OF IT, TCRP, SYNTHESIS 1 0 1 DOCUMENT THAT WAS WRITTEN. IT WAS DONE BY THE TRANSPORTATION RESEARCH BOARD. YEAH. BUT IT'S 10 YEARS OLD OR 12 YEARS OLD. YEAH, THEY'VE GOT THOUSANDS OF DOCUMENT. I, AND I JUST, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY WELL DONE AND IT BROUGHT UP A FEW POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO GET YOU. I TRIED TO REACH OUT THROUGH SOURCES THAT I HAVE OF THE AUTHOR THAT DID THIS TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN AN UPDATE IN THE 12 YEARS AND, AND THERE HASN'T [02:05:01] BEEN SADLY. UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF WHAT I READ IN HERE AND JUST GET YOUR, THE CURRENT VIEW PERHAPS OF WHAT THE INDUSTRY IS IF I CAN'T, IF I CAN'T. SURE. BUT I DID NOTICE THAT IT TALKED ABOUT SYSTEMS WHERE THEY WERE DOING FAIR FREE BACK 12 YEARS AGO WHERE ONE SMALL URBAN AREAS, WHICH I THINK WE WOULD CLASSIFY IN THE LITERATURE AS BEING A SMALL URBAN AREA BUS SYSTEM, TWO RESORT COMMUNITIES, WHICH I THINK WE ALSO KIND OF FIT IN THERE. UH, AND THEN IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT UNIVERSITY TOWNS OF WHICH WE ARE NOT ONE. BUT WOULD YOU SAY THAT PLACES THAT ARE DOING FAIR FREE SORT OF STILL FIT THOSE TRENDS? OR HAS IT GOTTEN BIGGER THAN THAT OVER TIME? I REALLY COULD NOT SAY TO THAT LEVEL OR TO SPEAK TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT BROADLY. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME SYSTEMS IN CANADA, UM, THAT ARE VERY RURAL, THAT ARE TOTALLY, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SKI RESORTS, THAT TYPE OF THING THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT IT'S PROBABLY WORKING VERY WELL FOR THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE HERE IN SEDONA. UM, YOU KNOW, WITH HAVING FREE FARE, YOU KNOW, JUST BE AWARE THAT IF YOU HAVE THAT YOU, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS I MENTIONED. AND THIS DOCUMENT ACTUALLY DID ALSO SPEAK TO THAT, UH, UH, ARGUMENT. I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP. AND, AND SO THERE'S LOTS OF POLICY WORK THAT GOES INTO DISRUPTIVE PASSENGER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH AND HOW YOU RESPOND. MM-HMM. ANOTHER QUESTION IN HERE THAT I SAW, UH, AND I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IS, UM, I UNDERSTAND WE HOPE TO REALLY BE MOSTLY USING AN APP. PERHAPS OUR, OUR, OUR RIDERS WILL BE USING AN APP AND THERE WON'T BE A, UH, UH, A FAIR TRANSACTION THAT'S GOTTA TAKE TIME. BUT TO QUALIFY FOR FDA, WE ALSO DO HAVE TO ACCEPT CASH. IS THAT STILL TRUE? I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT IS A HARD AND FAST RULE ANYMORE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CASH FAIRES AND COIN. AND IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT IT, IN MY EXPERIENCE NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE INVITING FAIR DISPUTES , RIGHT? WELL, I HAVE THE MONEY RIGHT HERE, WHY CAN'T I BOARD? AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY, AND THESE, THE MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES HAVE AN ORDERED WITH WHAT'S CALLED DIAMOND, UH, FAIR BOXES. THEY'RE VAULTS. UM, TYPICALLY THE, I WON'T BORE YOU TOO MUCH WITH IT, BUT THE POLICY WITH THE DRIVERS, THEY'RE NOT TO, TO TOUCH THE MONEY THAT GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE FAIR BOX. THAT FAIR BOX COMES BACK INTO THE OPERATIONS CENTER AS ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE MANAGEMENT AND THEN RECONCILED. AND THEN IN OUR CASE, THEY BASICALLY BACK THE FARES OUT OF OUR INVOICE. UM, THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT TYPE OF THING. I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF NOT TAKING CASH AND COIN FOR THE REASONS MENTIONED. IT, IT CREATES MORE CONFLICT AT THE FAIR BOX, MORE FAIR DISPUTES. SO, SO OUR, OUR BUSES ARE CURRENTLY BEING ORDERED WITH AND SU WILL BE SUPPLIED WITH. YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A SIMPLE YEP. UH, SIMPLE VAULT FAIRBOX, RIGHT. BUT CLEARLY WE WANNA ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO USE THE DIGITAL PASS, BUT THERE'S OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THEN SORT OF HANDLING THAT CACHE. YOU'VE SEEMED TO SET UP THINGS TO MINIMIZE THAT, BUT YET NONETHELESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COUNT IT AND PROTECT IT AND MOVE IT TO THE BANK. YOU BASICALLY, YOU BECOME A CASINO. YEAH. SO ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG. WHEN I HEARD THE EARLIER CONS COUNCIL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FAIR, AND WE WEREN'T ON THE DIE, I WASN'T ON THE DIES AT THAT TIME AND I HAD TAKEN A POSITION OF THAT SKIN IN THE GAME IS BETTER THAN NO SKIN IN THE GAME. AND GOING FROM SOMETHING TO ZERO, IF YOU EVER FUTURE WANTED TO CHANGE WAS A HECK OF A LOT EASIER THAN GOING FROM ZERO TO SOMETHING. EXACTLY. BUT I WAS QUITE MOVED AT ALL THESE STORIES THAT I'M HEARING ABOUT THE RATIONALE WHY SYSTEMS ARE MOVING TO RIGHT. TO FAIR FREE. ANOTHER ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS HERE THAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT WAS FTA SECTION 53 11 GRANTS ARE REDUCED BY THE AMOUNT OF FAIRES THE SYSTEM COLLECTS. AND IS THAT STILL, THAT'S OLD DATA? IS THAT STILL PART OF THE MAGIC AND HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I THINK, I THINK THAT'S DONE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL THROUGH THE NTD, THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION DATABASE. LIKE IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN A HUGE AMOUNT OF FAIR REVENUE, IT MIGHT AFFECT THE STATE'S ENTIRE ALLOCATION FOR 53 11. ONE THING OF NOTE IS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE FTA DOES THIS, YOU CAN'T USE FAIR REVENUE TOWARDS A LOCAL MATCH FOR A FTA GRANT. YOU CAN USE ADVERTISING REVENUE, YOU CAN USE LIKE A LOT OF, LOT OF, UM, TRANSIT AGENCIES OWN PROPERTY AND THEY LEASE OUT THAT PROPERTY. THEY CAN USE THAT REVENUE TOWARDS LOCAL MATCH, BUT YOU CAN'T USE FAIR REVENUE. [02:10:01] SO I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT, BUT, BUT IT CAN GO BACK INTO THE OPERATION, UH, AND HELP FUND THE OPERATING EXPENSE. OKAY. TWO QUESTIONS LEFT. I THINK THEN. SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT A $2 FARE AND A 50% DISCOUNT FOR 65 AND OVER, WHICH IS CLOSE TO OUR AVERAGE AGE, AND I KIND OF WONDER ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY COLLECT. MM-HMM. AND THEN THE COST OF COLLECTING THE REVENUE. 'CAUSE THERE'S A, A FEE ON TOP OF THE APP TRANSACTIONS AND THEN WHATEVER ELSE WE GOTTA LAYER IN FOR HANDLING THE CASH. AND, OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALSO INTERESTING IN THIS REPORT, IT TALKED ABOUT SOME JURISDICTIONS REPORTED THAT 75% OF THEIR CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT DISRUPTIVE PASSENGERS HAS TO DO WITH FAIR DISPUTES. AND YOU MENTIONED THAT AS WELL. SO I I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT . SO THERE'S A, A BIG BURDEN I THINK THAT GETS LAYERED ON ABOUT CHARGING AFFAIR. AND HOW DOES THAT BALANCE OUT ABOUT COLLECTING THE FAIR COLLECT? IS COLLECTING A FAIR ACTUALLY GONNA COST US MORE IN THE LONG RUN THAN NO FAIR? UH, NO. SO UNDER THE TRANS TRANS-LOCAL AGREEMENT, THEY HAVE A SUBCONTRACTOR NAMED, UH, TOKEN TRANSIT. TOKEN TRANSIT WOULD BE MANAGING OUR DIGITAL PASSES. THEY'RE NATIONWIDE. THEY SET UP THESE SYSTEMS FOR MUCH LARGER SYSTEMS THAN OURS. BUT BASICALLY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF WE DID A $2 REGULAR FARE, IT WOULD BE 10% PER TRANSACTION. UM, NOW THIS ONE, DON'T ASK ME TO EXPLAIN WHY. IF IT'S LESS THAN 10%, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE A DOLLAR, UM, THEY HAVE A 6 CENT PLUS 7% TRANSACTION FEE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY 13, 13% ON, ON A LOWER TRANSACTION. SO YOU, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE SETTING UP THE APP, THEY'RE SETTING UP THE CREDIT CARD ARRANGEMENTS, THEY'RE DOING THE RECONCILIATION, AND THEY'RE DOING ELECTRONIC DEPOSITS RIGHT INTO OUR BANK. YEP. THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO BURDEN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WITH SETTING ALL OF THAT UP, SO, YEP. OKAY. LAST QUESTION THEN HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE, YOUR ADVISORY BOARD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE A SIX MONTH INTRODUCTORY NO FEE. AND I, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY THROUGH THE PROCESS, THAT IF WE PUBLISH A FEE OF $2, BUT WE COULD DO ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT. MM-HMM. FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME WITHOUT HAVING TO REHEAR THIS THING. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU COMMENT ON YOUR THOUGHTS OF DOING AN INTRODUCTORY NOFA WELL, TIMEFRAME, MY COMMENTS WERE DRAWN TO THE ZERO FAIR SCENARIOS I GAVE YOU. SO I'M JUST NOT A BIG FAN OF IT. 'CAUSE IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES CREATE OTHER ISSUES IN MY EXPERIENCE. TO WHAT DEGREE IN SEDONA? I DON'T KNOW. WE COULD, WE COULD DO IT IN, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE EXPERIMENT. YEAH. I JUST THINK, UH, IF WE HAD WILDLY SUCCESSFUL TRANSIT RESPONSE IN THIS TOWN AND IT REALLY WAS MULTIPLE PEOPLE GETTING ON THE BUS, NOT JUST THE BUSES RUNNING ONE PERSON DOWN TO GROCERY SHOPPING OR WHATEVER IT IS, THERE'LL BE SOME OF THAT , THERE'LL BE SOME OF THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD WILDLY SUCCESSFUL IN LOTS OF PEOPLE GETTING ON THERE, RIGHT. FILL IN THE SEATS, WHAT A MARVELOUS PROBLEM IT WOULD BE FOR US TO FACE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. YEAH. SO THERE'S SO MANY WAYS YOU CAN SLICE THIS. YOU CAN START WITH A ZERO FARE AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, NOW YOU HAVE TO GO FROM ZERO TO SOMETHING. IF YOU DECIDE TO GO TO SOMETHING OR YOU GO FROM SOMETHING TO ZERO, OR YOU GO FROM SOMETHING TO SOMETHING MORE , IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO FORMULA THAT'S GONNA ANSWER THIS FOR US TONIGHT. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, ONE THING, YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDER THAT, AND I I'LL TALK ABOUT MY COLLEAGUE, UH, KENT ELLSWORTH WITH THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY HAVING A HECK OF A TIME RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY CHALLENGED. UM, AND I'LL, I'LL GET TO MY POINT. SO, BECAUSE THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS MOVING OUT OF THE VERDE VALLEY, YOU KNOW, THE DOCTORS, THE SPECIALISTS THAT HAS HAD A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS AND, AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW THIS, UM, THEIR TRANSPORTATION RESOURCES ARE NOW BEING SENT OUTTA COUNTY FOR MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS, ACCESS TO, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS TO FLAGSTAFF, PRESCOTT VALLEY, EVEN TO PHOENIX. THAT'S LEFT A GAP HERE LOCALLY, EVEN IN SEDONA FOR OUR ELDERLY AND DISABLED TO HAVE ACCESS FOR FOOD FOR THE PHARMACY. YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET, JUST TO GET OUT, JUST GENERAL ACCESS. SO [02:15:01] FROM HEADING WITH THIS, AND JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS, AS YOU DELIBERATE WHAT YOU WANNA DO TONIGHT, THERE WILL BE A LARGE NUMBER OF ELDERLY AND DISABLED THAT WILL BE LEANING ON THIS MICRO TRANCE SERVICE. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY, UH, A PUBLIC COMMENT IN HERE BY, I THINK ONE OF THE, THE SOCIAL WORKERS WHO FELT THAT A $2 $1 WAS MORE REASONABLE THAN WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AS A $6, $3. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO THROW TO THE THROW ON THE PILE AS, AS, AS YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT THIS. OKAY. THIS, THIS IS NOT AN EASY TOPIC, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A THIRD TIME WE'VE BEEN AT THIS, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY IMPOSING A NEW TAX AS A, AS A BODY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S NEVER EASY TO DO. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, KATHY, THANK YOU. WHAT ARE WE ENVISIONING AS THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE MICRO TRANSIT INITIALLY, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, IT WOULD SPAN THE, THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES BY A HALF AN HOUR EITHER WAY. SO IT WOULD START A HALF AN HOUR EARLY AND RUN A HALF HOUR LATER THAN THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS TO PROVIDE CONNECTIONS TO OUR PARK RIDES FOR THOSE FIRST OUTBOUND TRIPS AND LAST INBOUND TRIPS. SO WE WOULD RUN SLIGHTLY, WE WOULD RUN ABOUT AN HOUR LONGER THAN THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. AND THE, RIGHT NOW, INITIALLY IT'S, UH, UH, BUDGETED, WELL, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE BUDGET YET, BUT THE WAY I HAVE BEEN BUDGETING IT IS FOR THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY SCHEDULE TO BASICALLY SHADOW OUR TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. UM, OKAY. SO, AND THEN THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES START AT, WHAT, 8:00 AM THEY'RE STARTING AT 7:00 AM TILL 5:30 PM SO THE, THE MICRO TRANSFERS START AT 0 6 30 AND RUN TO, UM, EIGHT 6:00 PM 6:00 PM YEAH. OKAY. SO MICRO CHANCE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL. YOU KNOW, WE CAN ACTUALLY, WE CAN DEPLOY THE MICRO CHANCE IN PHASES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, BUT UNTIL WE HAVE DATA YEP. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN TO DO THAT. SO WHEN DO I NEED TWO VEHICLES VERSUS THREE VEHICLES VERSUS FOUR VEHICLES? WE MAY ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A BROADER SPAN OF SERVICE WITH THE SAME BUDGET DOLLARS SPENT IF WE CAN JUST OPERATE AT A LEVEL SO WE CAN BULLET SOME DATA AND START TO MAKE THOSE, THOSE COURSE CORRECTIONS. UM, TRYING TO DO ALL OF THAT OUT OF THE CHUTE, UM, IS, IS PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO FOLLOW. SO, OKAY. THE HOPE IS, IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA FIND IS, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, BRING THOSE VEHICLES IN, IN PHASES THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND EVENTUALLY BE AT FOUR VEHICLES DURING PEAK, BUT THEN START TO CUT BACK RIGHT. TO FEWER VEHICLES OFF PEAK, BUT RUN ACTUALLY LATER INTO THE HOUR INTO THE NIGHT. BUT AGAIN, WE NEED DATA TO HELP GUIDE US IN THOSE DECISIONS. OKAY. UM, AND IT, THIS WAS STATED, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR, UH, CONVERSATION BACK AND FORTH WITH COUNCILOR FURMAN, BUT I JUST AGAIN, THINK IT'S WORTH GETTING, BEING ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ON IT. ONCE WE SET A FAIR, IT'S, WE CAN LOWER IT AT ANY TIME. IT'S, WE CAN'T GO UP WITH IT. YEAH, YOU CAN THAT WELL, WE CAN WITH THE, WITH THE COMMENT PERIOD. BUT YOU, THAT THRESHOLD IS NOT NECESSARY TO GO DOWN. GOING DOWN WOULD BE EASIER THAN GOING UP. YES. THAT BEING SAID, GOING FROM THE SIX, UH, THREE TO THE TWO ONE, AND COUNCIL WILLIAMSON'S PUT THIS NUMBER OUT, THERE WAS FOUR TWO EVER CONSIDERED. AND ON THE TABLE, THAT WAS I THINK THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION I THREW OUT TO THIS BODY BACK IN JANUARY . OKAY. AND THEN, THEN THE, THIS IS ALL GOOD STUFF. THE DISCUSSIONS LED TO A HIGHER LEVEL. THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, THAT INITIAL $6 $3 WITH THE MULTI TRIPP PASS, THAT STARTED THE DIALOGUE WITH YOUR COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND ANOTHER, AND I WAS THE VICE MAYOR AND I WERE DISCUSSING THIS WITH CITY MANAGER THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THE CATEGORIES FOR DISCOUNT. THAT THERE'S ONE, AND I THINK PROBABLY VICE MAYOR WAS SPEAK THIS. I DON'T WANNA STEAL HER THUNDER ON IT 'CAUSE IT WAS SHE WHO IDENTIFIED IT. STUDENT DISCOUNTS ARE NOT THERE. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON'S POINT ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST A FAMILY OF FOUR, IF THERE WAS A STUDENT DISCOUNT, IF THE THAT WAS APPLIED, THEN THAT PROHIBITIVE NUMBER ON THE FAMILY OF FOUR WOULD BE LESS. SO IS THE, IS STUDENT DISCOUNTS, WAS [02:20:01] THAT EVER DISCUSSED? UH, THAT NEVER WAS PROPOSED BY COUNSEL. I I GAVE YOU THE BARE MINIMUM THROUGH FTA, WHICH WAS 60, WHICH WAS MEDICARE CARD HOLDERS. AND ACTUALLY AT 65 OR OLDER PER THE FEDERAL REGS, UH, COUNSEL ADDED VETERANS PERSONS WITH DISABILITY. WELL, PERSON WITH DISABILITY ALSO IS FEDERAL, SORRY. UM, COUNCIL ADDED VETERANS AND AZ RESIDENTS WITH VALID ACCESS CARDS. SO IF STUDENTS ARE ADDED, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE WHICH STUDENTS FROM WHICH SCHOOL DISTRICT? FROM ALL STUDENTS, FROM COLLEGE STUDENTS, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, GRADE SCHOOL STUDENTS. MM-HMM. , UM, STUDENTS AND OTHER TRAINING CLASSES. I, I, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC. AND THEN KEEP IN MIND YOUR COACH OPERATOR JUST NOW HAVING TO FILTER THROUGH ALL THIS AS HE'S, AS HE OR SHE ARE, ARE BOARDING HUNDREDS OF PASSENGERS. SO, UM, YOU DON'T RECOMMEND WE, WELL, OKAY. THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR COMMENTS WHEN WE START, YOU KNOW, SAYING WHAT WE WOULD SUPPORT AND DO. BUT JUST TO THROW IT OUT THERE, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE LACK OF YOUNGER AGES HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT STUDENT DISCOUNTS WOULD NECESSARILY THROW THAT MUCH MORE WORK ON CHECKING THE OTHER DISCOUNTS THAT ARE ALREADY ELIGIBLE. BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT DISCUSSION. UM, I THINK FOR NOW THAT WRAPS UP MY QUESTIONS AND I'LL, UM, GET TO OTHER THINGS AND COMMENTS. VICE, VICE MAYOR, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS BELONGS HERE OR COMMENTS LATER. THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE STUDENT DISCOUNT CAME FROM THE STUDENTS, THE HIGH SCHOOL WHEN WE WERE THERE HAVING OUR MM-HMM. CONVERSATION WITH THEM. AND THEY ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY WAY THAT THE CITY WOULD EXTEND THE VERDE VALLEY IN A TRANSIT, THE SHUTTLE, THE VERDE SHUTTLE. HMM. UH, EXTEND IT BEYOND WHERE IT GOES NOW BECAUSE THEY DON'T ALL HAVE VEHICLES AND THEY ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY GETTING TO SCHOOL. AND ONE OR TWO PEOPLE MENTIONED THIS, BUT I, I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE. AND THEN WE MENTIONED THE, UH, MICRO TRANSIT BEING IMPLEMENTED THIS SPRING OR SUMMER AND, AND THEY WERE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT, AND THEY ASKED, IS THERE GONNA BE A STUDENT DISCOUNT? 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT MM-HMM. THE COST OF THE SERVICE AT ALL. 'CAUSE THAT WAS NOT, HASN'T REALLY BEEN FINALLY DECIDED. UH, AND I GUESS I'M HEARING YOU T TALKING AND, AND THIS IS REALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I HAD IN MY HEAD ABOUT WHAT THE SERVICE WAS GONNA OFFER IS I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE MORE CLEARLY IT'S TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF CARS, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE MORE GEARED TOWARDS OUR RESIDENTS. AND SO NOW HEARING THAT IT'S TIED TO THE SHUTTLE IS DISTRESSING TO ME. I HAVE TO TELL YOU HONESTLY, 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE IT. I, I KNOW THAT IT WOULD HELP THE SHUTTLE MM-HMM. . BUT TO LIMIT IT TO ONLY THE DAYS WHEN THE SHUTTLE IS RUNNING, IS THAT, IS THAT NECESSARY C CAN I SPEAK TO THAT JUST INITIALLY? YEAH, AND YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE HISTORY SAYING, YEAH, , THIS HAS BEEN THE POLICY DISCUSSION EVER SINCE DAY ONE OF THE SHUTTLES. AND THE REASON FOR THAT AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THINGS HAVE MORPHED OVER TIME. BUT INITIALLY WHEN WE LAUNCHED THE SHUTTLES, WE KNEW THAT THE PARK AND RIDE LOCATIONS WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO HOUSE ALL OF THE CARS THAT WOULD WANT TO USE THE SHUTTLES. SO WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO, AND THIS WAS BOTH FOR RESIDENTS WHO HAD COMPLAINED LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T GO TO MY TRAIL HEAD AND I HAVE TO NOW DRIVE TO A PARKING LOT AND TAKE A SHUTTLE. THAT WE WOULD CREATE SOMETHING THAT WAS, WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR VEHICLES AT HOME, OR POTENTIALLY IF THEIR VISITORS AT A HOTEL OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WHEREVER THEY'RE STAYING AND BE PICKED UP AND BROUGHT TO THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE. SO UNFORTUNATELY WHILE WE WERE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE VEHICLES FOR THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE AND LAUNCH THAT SERVICE, WE WERE DELAYED AND DELAYED AND DELAYED BECAUSE OF SUPPLY CHAIN ON THE MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES. SO THOSE TWO THINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO COMPLIMENT EACH [02:25:01] OTHER JUST DIDN'T EVER MATERIALIZE THAT WAY. AND I THINK IN THE TIME SINCE WE'VE LAUNCHED THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE, THIS IDEA ABOUT MICRO TRANSIT HAS CONTINUED TO EVOLVE IN PEOPLE'S MINDS. BUT POLICY-WISE AND THE ORIGINAL DIRECTION, THE ORIGINAL REASON THAT WE WERE LAUNCHING IT WAS TO SUPPORT AND MAKE SURE THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES WERE AS, AS SUCCESSFUL AS THEY COULD BE. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT HAS MORPHED AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED. AND WE HAVE A PANDEMIC AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON'T VOLUNTEER AS MUCH. AND WE HAVE THE, UH, HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE SHAMBLES AND WE HAVE NEEDS FROM OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO TAKE UP SOME OF THE SLACK FROM THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS. SO WHY ARE WE LIMITING THIS SHUTTLE TO THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY? IS IT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES WE HAVEN'T ORDERED ENOUGH? OR, OR WHAT IS THE SO THE RATIONALE IS WHAT KAREN SAYS, THAT IT'S STRICTLY TIED. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT . THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CORE SET, UH, FROM DAY ONE AS I RECALL WHEN, WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED HERE VERY SHORTLY AFTER I ARRIVED. THE OTHER THING TOO, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'LL BE LOCKED INTO THIS FOR ALL TIME, IS THAT WHO'S GONNA DRIVE 'EM? WHO'S GONNA STAFF 'EM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK OR INTO THE, INTO THE NIGHT? OR IF WE HAVE ALL THESE ODDBALL HOURS? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE HAVE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES THAT WE CAN DEPLOY, I HAVE TO RELY ON CERTIFIED TRAINED DRIVERS THAT HAVE TO BE RECRUITED. WE HAVE TO DO BACKGROUND CHECKS, DRUG AND ALCOHOL SCREENING, 120 HOURS OF TRAINING. SO THOSE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER TOO. RIGHT NOW, FOUR 10 HOUR SHIFTS PROVIDES A 40 HOUR WORK WEEK FOR A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. UM, AND TELL SUCH SIGNS WE COULD BUILD MORE CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM THAT WOULD ALLOW THE OPERATOR TO HAVE A LARGER, HOPEFULLY A LARGER WORKFORCE THAT WE COULD START TO LOOK AT EXTENDING SERVICES SIX, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, PERHAPS EVEN INTO THE NIGHT, AND HAVE A LARGER SPAN OF SERVICE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BUILDING AT A BLOCK, UH, A BRICK AT A TIME. , YOU KNOW, AND VEHICLES. SO, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES, UM, YEAH, WE CAN RUN 'EM 15 HOURS A DAY, I DUNNO, FOR HOW LONG BEFORE WE START SEEING, YOU KNOW, CATASTROPHIC MAINTENANCE ISSUES 'CAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP THEM MAINTAINED. SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS TO, TO BE THINKING ABOUT. NOT THAT WE CAN'T GET THERE, BUT, UH, INITIALLY, UM, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT I'D TAKEN, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS BODY AND ALSO FROM THE CITY MANAGER THAT THIS, THIS WOULD BE THE INITIAL, UM, WAY WE WOULD START THE SERVICE. SO NOW WE'VE WAITED TWO YEARS AND I STILL DON'T HAVE VEHICLES. SO IF I NEED MORE VEHICLES, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, WHAT THE LEAD TIME WOULD BE. I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. I, I I THINK WE HAVE BEEN MISREPRESENTING TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THIS IS, AND I KNOW I'VE HEARD MO MANY OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS DIOCESE TALK ABOUT THIS SERVICE AND THAT IS NOT THE WAY THEY TALK ABOUT IT TO BE COUPLED WITH THE SHUTTLE. RIGHT. UH, AND THAT MAY VERY WELL BE, I'M TELLING YOU THAT EVERY PUBLIC POLICY CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD RELATIVE TO MICRO TRANSIT HAS BEEN RELATIVE TO THE AUGMENTATION OF THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES AND RIDERSHIP OF THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. SO I, I MEAN, IF WE'VE SOLD SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THE COMMUNITY, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT STAFF HAVE SOLD THAT TO THE COMMUNITY. I WAS NEVER UNDER ANY OTHER IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I KNOW THERE HAD BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND EXPANDING THE SERVICE, HOPING THAT IT WOULD BE HIGHLY UTILIZED AND THE DEMAND WOULD BE THERE AND, AND BOTH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE WOULD WANT THE SERVICE, ENJOY THE SERVICE, AND WE WOULD SEE A SERVICE EXPANSION. BUT I THINK TO ROBERT'S POINT, WE CAN ONLY EXPAND AS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND OPERATIONAL FUNDS AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OPERATOR AND DRIVERS CAN ACCOMMODATE. AND, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING BEYOND THIS SCHEDULE PROGRAMMED AT [02:30:01] THIS TIME. UH, I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION ON THE, THIS DAIS ABOUT CONCERNS, WHICH IS WHY WE WENT TO $6 THAT PEOPLE WOULD GO TO THE BEAUTY SHOP. MM-HMM. , DO YOU REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION? I ABSOLUTELY, CLEARLY, COMPLETELY. LET'S PULL THE FILM. YES, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE. WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT THE PRIORITY WOULD BE FOR PEOPLE GOING TO THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT IN THE, IN THE ONLINE SYSTEM WHERE YOU PROGRAM IN WHERE YOU WANNA GO, THAT IT WOULD OUGHT TO BE AUTOMATED. THAT PRIORITY WOULD BE GIVEN. IF NO ONE WAS GOING TO THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE AND SOMEONE WANTED TO GO TO THE HAIRDRESSER, THAT SYSTEM WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THEM. BUT IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE CONTEXT OF, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE SYSTEM IS ABLE TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THE DEMANDS AND WHERE PEOPLE WANNA GO, AND THAT TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES WOULD TAKE PRIORITY OVER THE HAIRDRESSER. AND I MIGHT ADD ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN THAT THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE PARKING RIDES WOULD BE FREE FAIR ZONES FOR THE MICRO TRANSIT. RIGHT? YEAH. FOR ADDED INCENTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS ORIGINALLY WAS SET UP AND I'M, I'M THE ONE THAT THAT SUGGESTED, WELL THE FIRST, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED OF ME, CAN WE SET UP TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES, LIKE YESTERDAY? I SAID, YEAH, WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS? UH, WHAT ABOUT WE MOVE TOWARDS A MICRO TRANSIT TO SUPPORT THAT SYSTEM AS WELL AS PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. UM, THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION I GAVE, I BELIEVE SHOWED THAT CONNECTION, UM, BACK IN 2021 EARLY. SO IT REALLY HASN'T, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S BEEN NO COURSE CHANGE, UH, BEYOND THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T BUILD ON THAT AND EXPAND INTO, YOU KNOW, UM, THE EVENING HOURS OR EARLY OR ADD ADDITIONAL DAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON BUDGET AND, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARTICULARLY IN THIS DAY AND AGE LABOR. SO, BUT, BUT EVEN YOU, ROBERT TALKED ABOUT THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS AND THEIR ISSUES MM-HMM. JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. RIGHT. IT'LL HELP 'EM FOUR DAYS A WEEK UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN, BUT FOUR DAYS A WEEK NOT BE SUFFICIENT. MAY NOT BE, DOCTORS DON'T MAKE APPOINTMENTS BASED ON WHEN THE SHUTTLE RUNS. RIGHT. AND THEY DON'T MAKE 'EM ON THE WEEKEND. MM-HMM. . YEAH, EXACTLY. I'LL RESERVE THE REST IF THE COMMENTS. COUNCILOR DUNN. WELL, I'M GONNA HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT, UM, I THINK I'M A LITTLE, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT BEING WILDLY SUCCESSFUL AND, AND KIND OF KNOWING, YOU KNOW, THE DATA THAT WE GET AND SO ON AND SO ON. SO ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK AT THE DATA OF PEOPLE WHO ASK YOU TO COME, UM, ON OTHER DAYS OTHER THAN THE TRAIL SHUTTLE DAYS AND SAY, NOPE, CAN'T HELP YOU, BUT WE'LL, YEAH, PUT, WE'LL PUT A TICK TO SAY WE HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR OTHER DAYS OR OTHER TIMES THAT'S UNDER CUSTOMER SERVICE, UH, REPORTS AND THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DATABASE ACTUALLY FOR ADDED SERVICE. LIKE, THERE'S COMMENTS COMING USUALLY THROUGH THE DISPATCH OFFICE. SOMETIMES I'LL GET 'EM THROUGH THE, UH, SEDONA SHUTTLE WEBSITE OR ONCE IN A WHILE MY DESK PHONE WILL RING AND I'LL LOG THOSE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS AN INTEREST. I MEAN, UH, THERE'S AN INTEREST WITH THE STACK TO EXPAND SERVICES OUT OF THE CHUTE. THERE'S AN INTEREST OF, YOU KNOW, TO GO, I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER CITIZENS, WELL, WHY DON'T WE RUN AT NIGHT SO WE CAN GO TO DINNER AND, AND ALL ALL THAT. ALL THAT'S THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS WAS A STARTING POINT. WE'VE ALSO BEEN SENSITIVE TO BUDGET EVERY MINUTE THOSE BUSES ARE OUT THERE. I THINK THERE'S A DOLLAR 16 A MINUTE FOR EACH BUS. SO WE'VE ALSO BEEN SENSITIVE TO THE BUS, THE OPERATING BUDGET. THIS IS BEING MICROT TRANSIT FOR THE MOST PART OVERWHELMINGLY IS GOING TO BE, UH, FUNDED WITH LOCAL DOLLARS. I DO HAVE SOME FEDERAL DOLLARS COMING IN THROUGH FTA FOR OPERATING EXPENSE, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE A NEW SERVICE, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO SEE THAT WE HAVE RIDERSHIP, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO I CAN DECREASE OUR LOCAL SUBSIDY AND HOPEFULLY BRING IN MORE FEDERAL. SO WE'VE BEEN SENSITIVE TO THAT AS WELL. SO, SO DO YOU HAVE NO CONCERNS OVER THE FACT THAT MOST RESIDENTS HAVE NO INTEREST IN GOING TO USE THIS SERVICE TO GO TO THE TRAILHEAD? THAT, I DUNNO. OR TO THE TRAIL SHUTTLE CONNECTIONS? [02:35:01] UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MANY RESIDENTS TODAY RIDE THE SHUTTLES COMPARED TO VISITORS? WELL, WE CAN'T REALLY ASK. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY SURVEYS, BUT WE PROBABLY SHOULD, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S PRETTY SMALL. I'D AGREE WITH YOU. S SO WE HAVE, UM, WE TALK ABOUT THIS AS IN TERMS OF RESIDENTS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS MOSTLY AIMED AT VISITORS. DO YOU, IF I, DO YOU THINK THAT FEELS RIGHT? IF I COULD ALSO JUMP IN ON THAT AS WELL? SURE. ONE THING IS THE HOURS FOR THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES WERE SET OVER PEAK DEMAND PERIODS. THAT'S WHY IT WAS WEEKEND. THAT'S WHY IT WAS DAYTIME. BECAUSE ONE OF THE BYPRODUCTS, ONE OF THE VERY IMPORTANT BYPRODUCTS OF SHUTTLES IS GETTING CARS OFF THE ROAD AND MM-HMM. AND ALLEVIATING THE CON TRAFFIC CONGESTION. SO THAT IS PART OF WHY WE STARTED THE PROGRAM THE WAY WE DID AND STRUCTURED IT THE WAY WE DID. THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS WORTH A REMINDER IS THAT IN OUR TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN MM-HMM. , IT DID NOT CONTEMPLATE THE CITY OF SEDONA PROVIDING ANY IN-CITY TRANSIT OTHER THAN THE, THE EXISTING VERDE SHUTTLE FOR FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE NO OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY. WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT. WE ACCELERATED THAT TIMELINE SIGNIFICANTLY ON A WING AND A PRAYER. AND THANK GOODNESS FOR ROBERT WEBER AND, AND HIM JOINING THE ORGANIZATION. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO LAUNCH A PHASE ONE OF A TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE SYSTEM. AND I THINK WE FORGET BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL AS IT HAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN O AND M FACILITY. WE DON'T HAVE A, UM, A PLACE FOR THE OPERATORS AND THE DISPATCH AND ALL THAT. WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF SET UP A BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A, IT'S JUST, IT'S A BUILDING THAT WE PLAN TO TEAR DOWN. IT'S A SHOESTRING. YEAH. YOU CAN SAY IT. SO WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE. WE ARE NOT AT THE POINT TO HAVE A FULL-BLOWN, ROBUST, CONVENIENT, FULL SERVICE TRANSIT SYSTEM IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO, SO, UM, PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME. UM, I AM WELL AWARE OF HOW MUCH EFFORT HAS GONE INTO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND THAT, UM, THE CURRENT TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN, AND THE PARK AND RIDES THAT WE HAVE HAS CERTAINLY HELPED IN THE, IN THOSE AREAS WHERE RESIDENTS WE'RE BEING IMPACTED BY THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT WERE GOING TO BE PARKING ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS. SO, SO PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ANY OF THAT. WE ARE ACTUALLY, I AM SURE PRETTY MUCH OFF TOPIC IN THE SENSE THAT THIS WAS ABOUT FARES RATHER THAN ABOUT SERVICE. CORRECT. SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK TIMES HAVE CHANGED. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT SERVICE AND WANNA TALK ABOUT SERVICE, THEN WE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT MAYBE THE EARLIER POLICIES, NO DISRESPECT INTENDED FOR ANYONE WHO WAS SITTING ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME AND, AND THAT DECISIONS WERE MADE, BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY MAY HAVE CHANGED. UM, VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS IN, IN SOME WAYS, IF THEY'RE REFLECTIVE OF THE OLDER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY BELIEVE THE POLICY SHOULD NOT BE FOCUSED ON WHERE WE HAD IT FOCUSED EARLIER. HOWEVER, IF WE WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION FOR TONIGHT, THEN I, I'M HAPPY FOR US TO, TO HOLD ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS OR ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND JUST FOCUS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA CHARGE FOUR AND TWO OR TWO IN ONE OR FREE. SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM WHOMEVER AS TO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. ARE WE GOING TOO FAR ASTRAY, UH, LEGALLY, NO. UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU'RE WITHIN, IT'S, IT'S A REASONABLY RELATED TO THE TOPIC AT HAND, SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF STAFF, UH, TO HAVE THAT BROADER DISCUSSION TONIGHT. SO THAT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. WELL, I GUESS THIS IS JESSICA. WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE WAITING TO TALK. WELL, IF YOU STILL HAVE PEOPLE, THEN GO FOR IT. WELL, MELISSA THIS'S NOT DONE. I DON'T THINK SO. I WANT TO LET HER FINISH FIRST. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE TO GO. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA WITH A HOLD UNTIL, UNTIL GENERAL COMMENT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR ROBERT, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE, UH, EXAMPLES OF OTHER FAIR STRUCTURES FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES. UH, ALONG WITH THAT INFORMATION, DID [02:40:01] YOU GATHER ANY SENSE OF WHETHER ANY OF THOSE PARTICULAR FAIR STRUCTURES ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN OTHERS? WELL, MY SENSE IS, AND IT'S STRICTLY THAT, MY SENSE IS THAT TYPICALLY HIGHER FARES ARE USED TO GOVERN RIDERSHIP PURPOSELY. MM-HMM, . OKAY. IN PUBLIC TRANSIT, PARTICULARLY IN DEMAND RESPONSE. AND THAT'S ONE RESPONSE YOU CAN, A SYSTEM CAN MAKE TO A DEMAND RESPONSE SERVICE THAT IS OVERSUBSCRIBED. YOU CAN INCREASE THE FARES, WHICH ESSENTIALLY WILL HAVE AN EFFECT OF LOWERING RIDERSHIP. IT, IT'S JUST, THERE'S A, THERE'S A TIPPING POINT. MM-HMM. , IT'S LIKE FINDING THAT GOLDILOCK ZONE. SURE. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND. SO WHAT HAPPENS? AND WE'VE MADE THIS MISTAKE IN CALIFORNIA, SO WE'RE, OKAY, LET'S RAISE THE FARES 'CAUSE WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR REVENUES. WELL, WHAT HAPPENED IS OUR FAIR REVENUES WENT DOWN BECAUSE WE LOST IT THROUGH VOLUME. SO YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I'LL RESERVE THE REST OF MY THOUGHTS FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO I, I THINK IN THE FUTURE, VICE MAYOR MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE SCHOOL CHILDREN WERE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL WERE ASKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP THEM, BUT THEY WERE LOOKING ALSO MORE BEYOND POCO DIABLO. AND THAT WE NEVER GOT INTO A DISCUSSION WITH THE CHILDREN ABOUT THAT WHOLE PROJECT BECAUSE THAT WASN'T THE PURPOSE TO BE THERE. BUT THEY DID, THEY, EXCUSE ME, THEY DID SAY THAT THERE WAS INTEREST EVEN IF THEY WERE TAKEN FROM, UM, CVS OR WALGREENS. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING GOOD TO HELP THEM GET TO SCHOOL BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEIR PARENTS MM-HMM. ARE CHALLENGED AND WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP THE CHILDREN GET TO SCHOOL. THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED FOR NOW, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY THE TOPIC AT HAND. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE SYSTEM CAN EVOLVE INTO, I THINK. BUT I'M SEEING A LOT OF THINGS. THIS IS THE BEGINNING PHASE. THAT'S RIGHT. WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THE, UH, TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE WOULD BE AS POPULAR AS IT IS. AND IT'S IMMENSELY POPULAR. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE CAN EXPAND THAT. AND THAT WAS SOME OF THE PLAN IN THE FUTURE. I'D LIKE TO GET GOING WITH SOMETHING. UH, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THE DELIVERY? POSSIBLE DELIVERY FOR THESE, MAYBE THE LATEST THAT I HAVE IS THEY'LL GO INTO PRODUCTION. THAT'S FIVE VEHICLES. WE'LL GO INTO PRODUCTION THE LAST WEEK OF JANUARY, FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY. IT'S A FIVE WEEK BUILD, APPROXIMATELY TESTING, MORE TESTING, AND THEN THEY'LL BE TRANSPORTED FROM MASSACHUSETTS TO PHOENIX WHERE THEY'LL BE BRANDED. THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY WILL BE ADDED. SO WORKING THE GANTT CHART BACKWARDS, I'M ASSUMING ALL THOSE TIMELINES HOLD, I I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO BE OPERATIONAL BY NEXT JUNE. OKAY. UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FARES AND I JUST HAPPEN TO BRING UP ANYBODY TAKE A NEW YORK CITY BUS LATELY? LATELY, ACTUALLY, YES. IN THE SPRING I DID. OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT, A NEW YORK CITY BUS TAKES YOU ALL OVER THE WHOLE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT GOES BOROUGH TO BOROUGH. I HAVEN'T TAKEN A NEW YORK CITY BUS, BUT IN, IN QUITE SOME TIME. IT JUST, THEY JUST DID A FAIR INCREASE FROM 2 75 TO TWO 90. AND THAT IS THE POWER TRANSIT INCREASED 15 CENTS. POWER TRANSIT. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT DOESN'T SAY HERE WHAT THE, UH, REGULAR PASSENGER FAIR IS. IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT THE REGULAR PA THIS IS JUST THE PARATRANSIT FARE. OH, SO THE, OKAY, SO REGULAR, REGULAR PASSENG 90 IS PARATRANSIT. YES. OKAY. SO, UM, AND YOU CAN GO FAR, EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR, YOU MAY WANT TO EXPLAIN TO ALL THE AUDIENCE WHAT PARATRANSIT IS. THANK YOU. THAT'S A OKAY. SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, ROBERT, WE, IF YOU'RE HANDICAP, YOU NEED TO HAVE SPECIAL BUSES. RIGHT? THAT'S, IS THAT PART OF THE SYSTEM SOMEWHERE? I I CAN EXPLAIN IT. CERTAINLY. IT'S PARA PARATRANSIT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE FEDERAL A DA FOR TRANSIT PROPERTIES RECEIVING FEDERAL MONEY, WHICH WE ARE ONE, UM, THAT IS AT A MINIMUM MUST PROVIDE AT A MINIMUM FIRST DOOR TO FIRST DOOR SERVICE WITHIN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE, [02:45:01] EITHER SIDE OF WHERE A FIXED ROUTE OPERATES OR AT EITHER END. THAT'S THE STARTING POINT. UH, THE FARES CANNOT BE MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT OF YOUR FIXED ROUTE. AND THERE IS A PRE-CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT UNDER THE LEGACY A DA PARATRANSIT SYSTEMS, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE TO CERTIFY WITH THE TRANSIT PROPERTY THAT YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. THAT'S FOR EVERY SINGLE TRANSIT PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE US I KNOW PROBABLY THINKING GOING, WELL, WHY AREN'T WE HAVING TO DO THAT? SO, WELL, WE DON'T RUN A FIXED ROUTE. THE VERDE SHUTTLE IS CHARACTERIZED AS A COMMUTER ROUTE AND IS EXEMPT FROM A DA PARATRANSIT REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, THE MICROT TRANSIT CAN SERVE DOUBLE DUTY AND PROVIDE SERVICE AS A PARATRANSIT PLUS A DIAL AIDE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. IT'S YOU CO-MINGLE THE TRIPS. SO THAT'S THE OTHER REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, I LEANED TOWARDS STARTING WITH THIS PARATRANSIT, OR I'M SORRY, GOT ME CONFUSED. STARTING WITH THE MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE, WE WON'T HAVE TO STAND UP A SEPARATE PARATRANSIT SERVICE. OUR MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE CAN SERVE DOUBLE DUTY. SO THANK YOU. SO MORE THAN YOU NEEDED PROBABLY , RIGHT? NO, NO, IT'S FINE. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL FOR REMI REMINDING ME ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT I'M SEEING THE FARES HERE. A SEVEN DAY UNLIMITED, UH, BUS PASS INCREASE FROM 34 33 TO 34 AND A 90 DAY UNLIMITED, UH, RIDE INCREASE FROM 1 27 TO 1 32. THAT'S, THAT'S FOR PASS PACKS. OKAY. UNLIMITED SEVEN DAY UNLIMITED RIDE PASS. NOW WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW THAT A NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT MORE DISTANCE IS LOOKING AT THE SAME ACTUALLY HIGHER RATES, BUT THESE ARE PASSES. HOW WOULD YOU, UH, COMPARE? IT'S NOT APPLES AND APPLES BECAUSE ONE'S ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I GET THAT. BUT THE AMOUNT OF SERVICES THAT'S PROVIDED FOR A NEW YORK CITY BUS COMPARED TO HERE, WHICH IS CALLING TO YOUR HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM YOUR HOME, GONNA TAKE YOU TO A TRAIL HEADER TO HAVE YOUR HAIR DONE, WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ANTICIPATING TO DO, OR GOING TO HOME TO THE, UH, EMERGENCY UNIT, EMERGENCY HOSPITAL. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE SERVICE IS GONNA BE USED FOR. THAT'S THE ANTICIPATION OF OUR, OF OUR RESIDENTS TO USE IT FOR THAT. IN ADDITION TO TRAIL IT. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA ASK WHY ISN'T THERE A SYSTEM THAT WILL TAKE THEM FROM THEIR HOME TO A TRAILER? BECAUSE LIKE THE CITY MANAGER SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET PARK IN THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, TRAILER SHUTTLE PARKING LOTS. MM-HMM. , THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS AND I DON'T WANNA JUST LOCK IT IN LOOKING, I'M JUST CONFUSED IF WE'RE IN QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. UM, SOME, BUT I'M GETTING TO THERE. OKAY. AND ALSO I LOOKED UP, YOU WERE RIGHT, THAT'S THE FAIR IS TWO 90 IS NOT ONLY PARATRANSIT, BUT REGULAR TRANSIT IN NEW YORK. OH, OKAY. SO YOU GOT THE SAME THING. I HAVE. NO, I HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT IT CONFIRMS THAT. OKAY. SO DO YOU FEEL THAT THE, UM, AND MY, HERE'S MY QUESTION. DO YOU FEEL THAT THE, THE AMOUNT THAT'S HERE, THE $6 AND $3 OR THE, WHAT WAS IT, $2, $1, WHICH I TEND TO THINK IS A LITTLE LOW, BUT, UH, DO YOU THINK THEY'RE OUT OF EITHER ONE IS OUT OF ALIGNMENT? DO YOU FEEL THAT, 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED THREE, SIX AND THREE WOULD, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, WOULD HINDER USAGE? IN MY OPINION. YEAH. OKAY. WELL THAT'S, YOU PROVE YOURSELF ABOUT A THOUSAND TIMES. I MEAN'S THAT'S A HIGH END FAIR. AND WE GAVE THE SCENARIO ABOUT THE FAMILY OF FOUR, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. OKAY. ROUND TRIP. UH, SO YEAH, JUST TO GET, GET TO ANSWER YOUR, WHERE YOU'RE GOING. I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY, WELL, ONCE YOU'VE SEEN ONE FAIR STRUCTURE AND PUBLIC TRANSIT, YOU'VE SEEN ONE FAIR STRUCTURE IN PUBLIC TRANSIT AND, AND YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO MY WORLD. IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE. RIGHT. I DID GIVE YOU MOUNTAIN LION, CASSA GRANDE GLENDALE. AND EVEN THOSE, MOST OF 'EM WERE AROUND THE $2, $1, BUT SOME OF 'EM ARE EXPERIMENT GLENDALE'S AT FIVE AND TWO. THEY'VE BEEN LIVE SINCE DECEMBER OF 2022. WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT FOR 'EM. YEAH. OKAY. UM, ANYWAY, SO IT'S, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE MICRO CHANCE THAT WE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO DEPLOY THE, AS KAREN POINTED OUT INITIALLY, DURING THE CITY'S [02:50:01] PEAK DEMAND, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON PROVIDING CONNECTIVITY TO THE TRAIL HEADS, BUT ALSO PROVIDE, UH, CURBSIDE SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WELL ABOVE POCO DIABLO, NOT FOR THE MICRO TRANSIT CURRENTLY MICRO CHANCE IT WILL, IT'S LAST. UH, THAT'D BE WHAT SOUTHBOUND 1 79 STOP WOULD BE THE, THE PARKING RIDE. THAT'S AS FAR AS IT WOULD, IT WOULD EXTEND CURRENTLY. RIGHT. WITH EXPECTATIONS IN THE FUTURE, FUTURE EXPANSION, MORE VEHICLES, MORE MONEY. I UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE CAN BRING IN MORE FEDERAL MONEY. RIGHT. THAT WOULD HELP. THAT WOULD HELP. OKAY. THAT, THAT HELPED ANSWER MY QUESTION. SCOTT, CAN I JUST CLARIFY ONE OF THE THINGS HE JUST PLEASE THANK YOU. I REMEMBER THIS, WE HAD A LONG YEAH, LONG CONVERSATION ON THIS VERY DAY ABOUT THE LIMITS OF SERVICE. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED, NOT EVEN BY THIS COUNCIL TO SERVE EVERY NEED OF, I MEAN NO, NO, REALLY I'M SAYING TO GO TO STUDENTS, SAY SERVE STUDENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. PASS POLKA DIABLO. SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE, WE OURSELVES KNOW, WE DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD BE VERY FIRM. AND I KNOW THAT THERE COUNSELOR WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THAT , AND, BUT WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. WE MADE A DECISION AND SO THAT'S FINE. I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT LIMITATIONS LIMITED SERVICES FOR QUITE SOME TIME, IS JUST, WAS JUST MY POINT. AND NO, I AGREE WITH YOU. AND I REMEMBER SITTING UP HERE, SO, ALRIGHT, I HAVE HAD MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED. UH, WELL WE HAVE ANY CARDS? I DON'T SEE ANY PEOPLE HERE, SO WE HAVE NO PEOPLE. SO WE'LL OPEN AND THEN CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR, UH, THEIR COMMENTS. UH, YOU WANNA START ON THIS SIDE? I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, MAYOR, I'M VERY CLEAR ON, UH, WHERE I SIT ON THIS. UH, IT WAS A SURPRISE ACTUALLY GETTING THE PACKET AND SEEING THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE CONSIDERING SIX AND THREE. SO I WAS GLAD THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE CONSIDERING, WELL, I GUESS WE ARE, BUT THAT THE RECOMMENDATION HAD CHANGED BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS AN ONEROUS LEVEL OF FEE. SO, UM, I DO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A FEE. THIS IS AN ON DEMAND SERVICE. THIS IS A GREAT CONVENIENCE AND I DON'T THINK THAT FREE IS APPROPRIATE. AND ROBERT HAS SHARED ADDITIONAL REASONS FOR WHY THERE'S RISK OR DOWNSIDE WITH FREE. SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A FEE. I THINK TWO IN ONE IS SENSIBLE. WE WANT TO STIMULATE DEMAND. I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE US, UH, HAVE TOO MUCH DEMAND. AND I AM NOT AT ALL DAUNTED IF WE HAVE TO DO ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD TO RAISE FEES, THAT IS REALLY NOT A BIG DEAL. SO LET'S STIMULATE DEMAND TWO IN ONE. MAKE SENSE AS FAR AS WHEN COVERAGE WOULD EXIST FOR THIS? UM, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SITTING ON THE DAIS THAT THIS TOPIC HAS COME UP, UH, SINCE BEING SEATED. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER I WASN'T PRESENT SITTING OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE OR DON'T REMEMBER WHATEVER, I CERTAINLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. I DID NOT KNOW FOR SURE I WAS GONNA BE ASKING WHAT HOURS OF, UH, OPERATION WE WERE ANTICIPATING. BUT, UH, I CERTAINLY EXPECTED THAT IT WAS SEVEN DAYS. AND WHEN WE HAD THE, UH, NON-PROFITS IN HERE THAT WE DO THE, UH, ANNUAL OR THE MULTI-YEAR CONTRACTS WITH, I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY PERSONALLY COMMENTING TO MARJORIE HARRIS ABOUT, OH, WOULDN'T THIS BE GREAT FOR HELPING GET PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER? AND THAT WAS WITH NO LIMITATION ON WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK THAT WAS. SO, UM, I'M DISAPPOINTED TO FIND OUT THAT THIS WAS PLANNED FOR THURSDAY TO SUNDAY. I DIDN'T KNOW, I'LL FREELY ADMIT THAT I DID NOT KNOW. NOW I DO. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S REALLY NO, REALISTICALLY THERE'S NO CHANGING OFF OF THAT PLAN AT THIS TIME. SO WHILE I'M NOT HAPPY, I SUPPORT IT AND LET'S GET THE DOG ON SERVICE GOING. LET'S GET THE EXPERIENCE, LET'S LEARN WHAT THE DEMAND IS LIKE AND LET'S BE PREPARED TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN TO ADD IN THE REST OF THOSE DAYS TO EXTEND INTO THE EVENINGS IF DESIRED. AND IF COUNSEL AGREES, [02:55:01] I'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO GIVE DIRECTION TO ROBERT TO FIND OUT WHAT DOES THE, UH, LEAD TIME LOOK LIKE NOW FOR GET GETTING IN LINE AGAIN FOR MORE VEHICLES, SHOULD WE DECIDE WE WANT TO DO SO IN THE FUTURE. I THINK THE FUTURE, IT WENT FROM THREE YEARS TO TWO YEARS. SO WOO-HOO. IT'S GETTING BETTER. YEAH. AWESOME. OKAY. THAT'S IT, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL FOLTZ. COUNCIL DUN. SO, SO THINKING FIRST ABOUT THE FARES, I AGREE IT SHOULDN'T BE FREE. THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S AN IMPEDIMENT ON ITS USE. I AGREE. I THAT TWO IN ONE FEELS LIKE THAT'S A FINE PLACE TO START IF IT DOES NEED TO CHANGE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS A BIG DEAL, UM, EITHER. SO I AGREE WITH, UM, CONSULAR, FOLTZ ON THAT. UM, I TOO, UM, MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT THIS REALLY WAS. THIS IS REALLY NOT MICRO TRANSIT, IT'S ON DEMAND SHUTTLE CONNECT, UM, WHERE I CAN GET TO A SHUTTLE LOT. THAT'S, THAT'S ON ME FOR MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT ITS INTENT WAS. HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE ALSO THAT LIKE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS ALSO MISUNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS. UM, BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND GET THEIR GROCERIES LATER ON DEMAND, BUT NOW THEY HAVE TO GO DURING A CERTAIN TIME, DURING CERTAIN DAYS. UM, PLEASE JUST LET ME FINISH. AND, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY HOW PEOPLE THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESIDENTS. RESIDENTS WANT TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN GO TO THE SHUTTLE PARK AND RIDES. SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GAVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF KIDS WHO WANNA BE ABLE TO GET TO AND FROM SCHOOL. THAT'S NOT, THOSE, NOT THOSE HOURS. SO COUNTING THEM AND KNOWING WHEN RESIDENTS WANT TO USE THE SERVICE AND YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WANT TO USE THE SERVICE IS PRETTY KEY AND CRITICAL FOR US. I THINK MOVING THIS FORWARD, BEYOND BEING A SHUTTLE CONNECT, UM, ON DEMAND SHUTTLE CONNECT SYSTEM, UH, HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT PATIENT. AND SO HOW LONG WILL WE MAKE THEM WAIT BEFORE THEY CAN ACTUALLY USE THE SYSTEM IN THE WAY THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE USING SORT OF A SHARED UBER KIND OF SYSTEM. UM, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THEY'RE JUST GONNA SAY, NEVERMIND, UM, AND MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES AND JUST CONTINUE TO USE THE CARS BECAUSE WE ADD CARS TO THE TRAFFIC, RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST VISITORS. WE ADD CARS TOO. I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I ADD TWO CARS TO THE ROAD DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS THAT'S GOING ON. WE ALSO KNOW THAT GOING UPTOWN OUR BIGGEST TIME IS BETWEEN IS LUNCH, BASICALLY THE LUNCH HOURS. AND SO IF YOU WANNA MOVE CARS OFF OF COOKS HILL, YOU'VE GOTTA MOVE THEM AT THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE MOVING ON COOKS HILL. SO I GET IT, IT'S A FUTURE THING. I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE DONE TOMORROW OR THE FIRST DAY THAT WE DO OUR, YOU KNOW, ON DEMAND SHUTTLE CONNECT. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND WE THINK, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY HOPING FOR, UM, IN, IN ALL THIS. AND IF OUR POLICY WAS RIGHT, HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO THAT WE SAID IT, IT'S CHANGED. AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO ADMIT THAT AND, AND, AND MOVE ON. BUT EVERYTHING THAT I'M SAYING STILL CIRCLES AROUND THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TRANSIT AND THAT TRANSIT IS A, IS A KEY PIECE IN A SMALL COMMUNITY LIKE OUR OWN THAT HAS HIGH TRAFFIC USAGE. IT IS KEY. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO DOWNPLAY ANY OF THIS, I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION AND WE NEED TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN THAT CONVERSATION AND FIND OUT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE THINKING. IN THE MEANTIME, I AGREE WITH, UM, HAVING A FEE. I AGREE WITH THE, THE TWO AND THE ONE AND THAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ON THIS, THIS PARTICULAR BILL, VICE MAYOR. QUICK QUICK RESPONSE. OH YES. IS THAT OKAY? CERTAINLY ROBERT. YEAH, JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS DIRECTOR IS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, IS FULLY AWARE OF WHAT IS BEING PLANNED FOR MICRO TRANSIT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. MM-HMM. . BUT COUNCILOR DUN SITS ON THEIR, UH, SHE'S, SHE'S A LIAISON TO THEIR BOARD. YEAH. SO QUITE POSSIBLY THAT DID NOT TRICKLE DOWN SURE. FROM, UH, KEN ELLSWORTH TO THE BOARD. UH, BUT IT'S STILL AN ISSUE. YEAH. IT'S STILL SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO HELP THAT ORGANIZATION THAT DOES SO MUCH FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S WHAT I, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. LIKE COUNCIL DUNN SAID IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TODAY, TOMORROW, BUT IT'S, LET'S HAVE IT ON THE RADAR. UH, VICE MAYOR. SO HAVE WE, WHEN DO YOU PAY FOR THE BUS? PAY FOR THE BUS WHEN YOU RECEIVE IT? AFTER WE RECEIVE IT AND AFTER WE INSPECT IT AND ACCEPT IT. OKAY. THEN WE, WE PAY FOR THE BUS. JUST A REMINDER ON THIS, THIS ORDER, [03:00:01] UH, THE FTA IS PURCHASING 85 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR FOR TWO OF THOSE BUSES. SO THAT'S GONNA BRING IN AN ADDITIONAL INSPECTION FROM ADOT TO RECEIVE THOSE BUSES. SO, SO I THINK WE HAVE TWO DAYS IN WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIES STARTING TOMORROW. AND I WOULD, TRANSIT IS ON THE AGENDA. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PUTTING IT IN ORDER TODAY THAT WE'LL RECEIVE IN TWO YEARS. SO WE GET IN THE QUEUE CONSIDERING WE WON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT UNTIL THEY'RE RECEIVED. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT TOMORROW. WHENEVER, WHENEVER WE GET TO TRANSIT. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW DISAPPOINTED I AM TO HEAR THIS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. I I GET IT. BUT I'M SO DISAPPOINTED, UH, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD US ALL TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS AND NOW WE HAVE TO AND IT'S ALL OVER NEXT DOOR, NEIGHBOR AND EVERY, EVERY OTHER, UH, EVERY OTHER, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA, SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT. AND IT'S NOT A SHUTTLE CONNECT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS. EXACTLY. I LIKE YOUR TERM FOR IT. 'CAUSE IT ISN'T MICROT TRANSIT REALLY NOT THE WAY WE'VE BEEN EXPLAINING IT. SO I FEEL MY BAD, BUT WE ALL ARE SAYING MY BAD. SO SOMEWHERE THERE'S A DISCONNECT IN ALL OF THIS. I I TRULY AM DISAPPOINTED THAT WHAT THINK IT'S THE GREAT, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE GREATEST NEED FOR A SH FOR A RIDE TO THE SHUTTLE. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE GREATEST NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND I DON'T THINK IT'LL GET THE MOST RIDERSHIP EITHER. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT IS THE GREATEST DEMAND. AND BY THE WAY, THE, I, THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THE PARK AND RIDE WAS NOT FULL ANYWHERE EVEN CLOSE TO BEING FULL. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING, BEING, UM, DISSUADED FROM USING THE SHUTTLE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A SPACE AT THE PARK AND RIDES. SO I, I DON'T BUY, I DON'T BUY THAT ARGUMENT. AND IN TERMS OF THE FAIR, I DON'T KNOW, I, NOW THAT I KNOW WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR, I ALMOST WANNA INCREASE THE PRICE NOT DECREASE THE PRICE. SERIOUSLY. I MEAN, I'D LIKE IT TWO TO ONE FOR RESIDENTS AND EVERYBODY ELSE SHOULD PAY MORE MONEY. I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT TOO, BUT, OKAY. YOU GOOD? MM-HMM, . OKAY. CASTA ELLA, THANK YOU. SO MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALL EXPRESSED DISAPPOINTMENT AND I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND A WORD STRONGER THAN THAT BECAUSE I ALSO AM THIS SURPRISED THAT IF IT'S MY IGNORANCE, FINE, IT'S MY IGNORANCE. BUT I HAD ANOTHER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS BECAUSE I REMEMBER THESE CONVERSATIONS CLEARLY ABOUT DEFINING WHAT DOES CURB TO CURB MEAN IN TERMS OF THE CURB OF A HOME IN THE CURB OF A BUSINESS. BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTING PEOPLE FROM HOMES TO BUSINESSES WITHIN SEDONA, UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT CLEARLY THAT THIS NEEDED TO BE PERCEIVED AS SOMETHING THAT WAS GIVING RESIDENTS A SERVICE. NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT RESIDENTS WOULD COME BACK AND SAY IT'S ANOTHER, THEIR WORDS NOT MINE, RIGHT? BUT PROJECTING ANOTHER SERVICE FOR VISITORS AND THE TOURISTS THAT THEY'RE FEELING OVERWHELMED BY ANYWAY. AND THAT THE RESIDENTS AREN'T GETTING AS MUCH SERVICE AS THE, AS THE VISITORS. SO I, I MEAN I'M, AND I REMEMBER OUR, I THINK IT WAS THE JANUARY, 2022 MEETING WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT FARES. AND I WAS A VOICE VEHEMENTLY FOR MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY COULD USE THIS AS A DISCOUNTED RACE. AND I EVEN WENT BACK AND CHECKED OUR MINUTES HERE AND BECAUSE IT WAS A DIRECTION, NOT A VOTE, IT'S NOT ENUMERATED OUT BY WHO VOTED HOW, BUT I REMEMBER ME SPEAKING ON THAT AND IT SAYS MAJORITY CONSENSUS, MEANING WE WEREN'T UNANIMOUS ON THAT. THAT THERE HAD TO BE SOMETHING FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THAT WE HAD TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T PUNISHING RESIDENTS OF, UH, THAT HAD LESS INCOME THAN WE WERE ONLY DESIGNING SOMETHING TO A HIGHER INCOME. I REMEMBER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO COULD AFFORD TO GET TO THE HAIRDRESSER VERSUS PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE TO GET TO THE SUPERMARKET. I REMEMBER THESE CONVERSATIONS. CLEARLY THEY WERE OVERWHELMING [03:05:01] IN TERMS OF THE TIME THEY TOOK UP ON THE DAY IS SO TO THINK THAT WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF A RESIDENT SERVICE IS FLABBERGASTED TO ME. IT REALLY IS. I HAVE TO SAY I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I'VE NEVER SAID THAT. OKAY. ANYWAY, I AM, I AM ALSO, MY MIND WENT EXACTLY WHERE VICE VAN PPLS MIND WENT OF, IF THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S PRIMARILY SERVING VISITORS AGAIN, THEN THE PRICE SHOULD BE HIGHER. AND I'VE CONSISTENTLY BEEN A VOICE FOR THIS TO BE LOWER. SO COMING IN ON THE PROPOSED FARES TONIGHT, I DON'T WANNA REVERSE MYSELF BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT RESIDENTS WILL USE THIS AS WELL TO WHATEVER DEGREE THEY CAN. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT A LOWER FAIR, WHETHER IT'S FOUR, TWO AND TWO ONE, I'M NOT NOW AS MOTIVATED TO EVEN CONSIDER BECAUSE I'M, SO I'LL GO BACK TO THE WORD FRUSTRATED BY THE USE OF THIS. NOW I UNDERSTAND AS WELL, I DO WANNA SAY IT MAKES SENSE. MOST OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE TRAFFIC OFF THE ROADS, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS ON THE ROADS THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, NOT MONDAY. I KNOW WHEN I'M TRYING TO DODGE TRAFFIC TO ILLEGALLY CROSS THE STREET. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I DO THINK THAT, SO THERE'S CERTAINLY A VALUE TO THIS STILL, BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THIS AS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION AS WELL, ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION AND WAS AGAIN, SURPRISED AND THEN SAID I WOULD HOLD FURTHER QUESTIONS TO COMMENT THAT IT WAS TIED IN SO CLOSELY TO THE SHUTTLE, UM, TO THE SHUTTLE SCHEDULE BECAUSE I GET THE EARLY MORNING PART OF IT. BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WOULD GO A LITTLE BIT LATER BECAUSE IS, AREN'T WE TRYING TO REDUCE THE, THE 6:00 PM COMING INTO SEDONA TO GO TO A RESTAURANT TRAFFIC MELEE THAT EXISTS? AND I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HELP ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. SO I KNOW WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. UM, I'M UP ON A SOAPBOX. I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN I DO THAT, BUT I CAN'T HELP IT. UM, MY WORLD, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DECIDE, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT THE SIX THREE, THE FOUR TWO, THE TWO ONE I CAN GO FOR. WE NEED TO WORK ON EXPANDING THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, I ONE OTHER THING THAT I MUST GET IN HERE IS I DO WANT TO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THIS STUDENT DISCOUNT. I WANT THIS STUDENT DISCOUNT. I'M RECOMMENDING THAT THIS BODY ADOPT THAT AS PART OF OUR RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE LIST OF DISCOUNTS THAT ARE GIVEN, WHICH RENUMERATED IN THE SAMPLE MOTIONS. WE WOULD JUST NEED TO ADD THAT ONE IN. UH, AND, UH, BASICALLY ADAPT OPTION TWO. I HAVE THE LANGUAGE WORKED OUT WHEN AND IF WE GET THERE, BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR THIS. I, I'M JUST, I FEEL LIKE I'M IN A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A TIME WARP OR SOMETHING. LIKE I'M DONE. THANK YOU COUNCILOR FURMAN. JOHN, CHAT ON ME. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, JUST A QUESTION FIRST, ROBERT. SO, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER DISCOUNTS. IS IT OUR INTENT TO DO FAIR FREE TO THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES? THAT WAS THE LAST DIRECTION THAT WE, UH, WE HAD. UH, WELL DIRECTION'S PROBABLY THE LAST THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT WE LAST PROPOSED. THAT'S A, THAT'S AN INTERNAL POLICY WHERE YOU CAN SET UP A FREE FARE ZONE WHEREVER YOU LIKE. UM, REALLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT RATE ARE YOU GOING TO CHARGE? YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN DISCOUNT FARES THAT WE HAVE TO DO DUE TO FEDERAL AND IF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A LIST THAT THE COUNCIL HAS ADDED AS PART OF THEIR POLICY. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SOME OF THE, THE, THE COMMENTS FROM THE COUNSELORS THAT ASIDE FROM ITS PROPOSED OPERATING HOURS, THIS IS FREE. THIS IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. IF THE DESIRE IS, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO PRIMARILY SERVE THE TRAIL HEADS FIRST AND JUST BE OPEN TO ALL FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, WE CAN DO THAT. MM-HMM. THAT'S AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT WE CAN, WE CAN SET. SO I WOULDN'T GET, YOU KNOW, TOO FAR AHEAD OF THAT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OPERATIONAL POLICY LIKE A FREE FAIR ZONE'S, AN OPERATIONAL POLICY. LIKE WELL WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SERVE THE TRAIL HEADS FIRST AND THEN THE, THE HAIR APPOINTMENTS CAN WAIT OR THE TRIPS TO THE PHARMACY. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. SO LET'S JUST LEAVE THAT THERE. AND THIS IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOUR, FOUR DAYS A WEEK RIGHT NOW AS BUDGETED AS INFRASTRUCTURE ALLOWS. BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED HEARING [03:10:01] THIS, I'D FULLY ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WOULD BE IMMEDIATE, IF NOT EVEN BEFORE DEPLOYMENT REQUESTS TO EXPAND THE SERVICE. SO THERE'S SO MUCH DESIRE FOR IT TOO. THERE'S, THERE'S DESIRE FOR IT. IT'S A FABULOUS PROJECT YOU DESIGNED SO WELL. LET'S, LET'S LET 'EM GET A TASTE OF IT AND SEE IF THEY REALLY LIKE IT. OKAY. AND THE DATA WILL SHOW US THAT. RIGHT? FAIR ENOUGH. AND THEN WE CAN START BUILDING THOSE BLOCKS WE TALKED ABOUT. SORRY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. PETE, YOU WANT CONTINUE? NO, SO THE THANK YOU FOR THAT. I TOO WILL THROW A LOG ON THE FIRE HERE ABOUT BEING TAKEN BY SURPRISE THAT THIS IS TRAILHEAD FOCUSED OPERATION. AND I GET THAT IT WAS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AND I THINK EVEN RECALL NOW, BUT I THINK SOMEHOW THERE'S BEEN A FAILURE IN OUR PROCESS HERE TO HAVE THIS PACKET REFLECT MORE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. THERE ARE THREE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS UNANIMOUSLY WE WERE SURPRISED. SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ALSO SURPRISED. SO THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN AN ISSUE HERE THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. WHEN WE HAVE ISSUES LIKE THIS COME BEFORE A COUNCIL, IF THIS THING IS REALLY GONNA INITIALLY ROLL OUT TO BE TRAILHEAD FOCUSED AND WE'RE GOING TO NOT CHARGE FOR TRAILHEAD TRANSPORTATION AND WE'RE GONNA THROW ALL THESE OTHER DISCOUNTS IN HERE, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT CHARGING ANYTHING IS GONNA DO NOTHING BUT REDUCE RIDERSHIP ON THE SYSTEM. IT, IT WILL ACTUALLY COST US MONEY TO, TO KIND OF RUN A FAIR SYSTEM. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY. WE, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOMEPLACE TO START. UH, I THINK, WELL I WAS INITIALLY VERY HAPPY THAT WE MOVED AWAY FROM $6, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S REALLY SHUTTLE FOCUS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT EITHER. I'M GONNA SUPPORT WHATEVER IT IS THAT COUNCIL MAJORITY COMES UP, UH, WITH A DECISION HERE. BUT YEAH, THIS, THIS IS A DIFFERENT BEAST THAN I CAME TO COUNCIL PREPARED TO THINK ABOUT. SO THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON AND THEN WELL, I, I WANNA TAKE A SHOT TOO, SOME POINT. OKAY. AT SOME POINT. OKAY. THIS STARTED WAY, WAY BACK AND IT VERY MUCH WAS ALWAYS, I RECALL TIED TO TRAILHEAD SHUTTLED. IT MAY, I ALSO THINK THAT THE PARKING LOTS ARE NOT FULL, BUT WE DID WANNA TAKE THOSE CARS OFF THE ROADWAY. SO THAT WAS AT THAT POINT, COUNCIL'S POLICY. IF COUNCIL'S POLICY APPEARS TO BE CHANGING, I THINK ROBERT, THE VOICE OF, OF CALM RATIONALITY SAYS IT'S A POLICY, GUYS, YOU GUYS CAN CHANGE IT AND IT MAY BE PERFECTLY REASONABLE TO CHANGE IT NOW AND FOREGO THE DESIRE, WHICH WE HAD TO GET CARS OFF THE ROADWAY BECAUSE IT WAS STARTED WHEN TRAFFIC WAS THE PROBLEM. OH, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC CARS ON THE ROADWAY, PEOPLE DRIVING, BLAH BLAH, BLAH. WE'VE GOTTA GET CARS OFF THE ROADWAY. AND SO THIS WAS PART OF THAT. IT SEEMS NOW THAT CARS ON THE ROADWAY ISN'T A PRIORITY, AT LEAST IN THIS REGARD. AND SO WILL CHANGE THE POLICY. I THINK, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S FOCUS CHANGED AND THAT'S REALLY, BUT WE CAN'T, AS PEOPLE SAID, WAIT TO BUILD OR I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN WAIT TO BUILD A COMPLETE TRA MICRO TRANSITS SYSTEM THAT SERVES EVERY SINGLE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING. I THINK FOR ANYBODY WHO ACTUALLY WANTS DATA AND TO BUILD THINGS OFF DATA, THIS GIVES US A WAY TO GET SOME DATA. UM, IF IF NOBODY IS USE IS GOING TO USE IT TO GET TO THE TRAILHEADS, THEN IT WILL BY DEFACTO BECOME, UH, A SERVICE FOR, FOR, FOR RESIDENTS. UM, WE WILL NEVER TAKE PEOPLE ARGUING THAT CAREGIVER HAVE TO TAKE UP THE FLAGSTAFF AND PRESCOTT AND EVERYTHING. MIC MICROT TRANSITS IS NEVER GONNA TAKE 'EM THERE. THAT'S NEVER BEEN, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY SORT OF IRRELEVANT TO THIS CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT. UM, AND THERE AREN'T, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS WANT EVERYBODY. IF THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMEONE WHO WANTS EVERYTHING, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT MAKING DECISIONS BASED NOT ONLY WHAT [03:15:01] PEOPLE THINK THEY WANT RIGHT NOW IN TIME AND SPACE, BUT WHAT MAKES SENSE TO DO. UM, SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE IT'S FROM THURSDAY, ON THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY FOR SOMEBODY TO GO TO THE SUPERMARKET. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. I MEAN, OF COURSE IT CAN BE A SYSTEM A THURSDAY TO SUNDAY, THE FACT THAT THEY WANT IT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. FOR ME, I WANT A LOT OF THINGS SEVEN DAYS. I WANT A LOT OF STUFF. UM, AND I THINK HAVING REGULAR HOURS LIKE THIS AS A, ON A TRIAL BASIS AS A BEGINNING OF A SYSTEM MAKES TOTAL SENSE. AND THAT SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO GO GET THEIR GROCERIES AND THEY KNOW THEY CAN GET THEIR GROCERIES USING THIS THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A HUGE IMPOSITION ON ON ANYBODY. WHETHER THEY'RE WE WANT IT OR WE, THEY DON'T WANT IT. I REALLY THINK THE PEOPLE'S DESIRES AND NEEDS ARE ENDLESS, HAVE TO BE REASONABLE ABOUT WHICH ONES WE MEET. AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT AND I THINK IN THE END THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOING TO BE DONE. UM, BUT I, ONE OF THE THINGS NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT HERE IS OUR FIXED ROUTE, WHICH WE'VE BEEN PLANNING. UM, SO IT SOUNDS TO ME, I MEAN I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM OTHER COUNSELORS WHETHER ANYBODY JUST WANTS TO GO TO A PURELY MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM AND SORT OF THROW AWAY OUR FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM OF BUSES AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE FIXED ROUTE, IT'S, WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO MICRO TRANSIT EVERYBODY BE, AND MAYBE EVERYBODY WOULD RATHER USE A MICRO TRANSIT THAN, THAN A FIXED DROUGHT. AND YOU KNOW, I, I'M GETTING KIND OF CONFUSED HERE BY, AND I THINK THIS IS A FULLER CONVERSATION OBVIOUSLY ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY SEE AS A TRANSIT SYSTEM HERE IN SEDONA, THERE WAS FIXED TRANSIT THROUGH THE CITY, FIXED TRANSIT TO COTTONWOOD FIXED TRANSIT UP THE CANYON OF WHICH MICRO TRANSIT WAS SOME KIND OF A PARTICIPANT. AND IT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE GOT AROUND SEDONA WHO DIDN'T HAVE A CAR. UM, SO I GUESS I, I ACTUALLY THINK ONE DOLLAR'S TOO LITTLE. I MEAN I THREE AND TWO WORK FOR ME. UM, I THINK IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE MONEY. UM, SORRY, DID YOU SAY THREE AND TWO OR DID YOU MEAN FOUR AND TWO? NO, I SAID THREE AND TWO THAT IT HAS TO BE DOUBLE. CAN'T CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. YOU HAVE TO DO THREE AND ONE 50. OH, I GOT IT FOR THE FEDS. YEAH. YOU AND YOUR STUPID FEDERAL RULES. I KNOW. UM, SO ANYWAY, I GUESS, SEE I THINK ONE IS LIKE NOTHING IT'S LIKE CHANGE UNDER YOUR QUARTER OF YOUR CARPET WHEN YOU PULL IT UP TO CHANGE CARPET. UM, BUT I, I THINK EVERYTHING CONSIDERED TWO AND ONE MAKES SENSE. I DON'T CARE IF STUDENTS ARE A DOLLAR, I JUST, I, I ACTUALLY BELIEVE EVERYBODY CAN COME UP WITH THE DOLLAR. UH, AND I PROBABLY THINK EVERYBODY CAN ACTUALLY COME UP WITH $2, BUT I THINK TO START TWO AND ONE MAKES SENSE, I THINK THAT'S SORT OF A BALANCE BETWEEN FREE. 'CAUSE I THINK, I ACTUALLY THINK ONE DOLLAR'S ESSENTIALLY FREE. UM, IT'S A BETWEEN FREE AND 6 6 3 I THINK. WHAT DID I JUST SAY? WHO KNOWS? ANYWAY. OKAY. THAT'S, I, YEAH. I JUST THINK I, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE THINK MICRO TRANSIT IS AND CAN BE, AND I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S EVERYTHING EVERYBODY WANTS ALL THE TIME. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M GOING BRIAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF GO AHEAD GARY, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWING UP. ALRIGHT. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I DRIVE PAST THE CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS TWO, THREE TIMES A DAY. WHEN THAT'S ACTIVE, IT'S PRETTY FUL. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER ONES, BUT I KNOW THE CHURCH OF RED ROCK SEEMS TO BE PRETTY FULL, IF NOT TOTALLY FULL, BUT, SO I, I, BUT I STILL DON'T SEE, I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE THE NEEDS HAVE CHANGED AND WE DON'T DO FREE TO TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE. MM-HMM. . AND THAT THE, THAT THE, UH, TRAILER SHUTTLE SHUTTLE IS NOT A PRIORITY. IT SHOULD JUST BE F INTO THE MIX IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE IT. THIS MAY ALLOW FOR MORE PEOPLE TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORE AND TO THE DOCTOR. THINGS CHANGE. UH, I DO REMEMBER IT BEING DISCUSSED. I DO REMEMBER IT BEING, [03:20:01] UH, FREE. I DO REMEMBER IT BEING, UM, THE PRIORITY, BUT I REMEMBER IT WAS PART OF THE NEED. AND IT IS, IT STILL IS PART OF THE NEED, BUT I THINK THAT IT COULD BE A RESIDENT WANTING TO GET TO THE TRAILHEAD. IT COULD BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, WANTING TO GET TO THE TRAILHEAD. THEY HAVE TO BE TREATED THE SAME ANYWAY. SO, UH, BUT I THINK JUST OPENING UP TO EVERYBODY, UH, I, I TOTALLY GET, AND I APPRECIATE ROBERT WHEN HE SAYS YOU CAN'T GET STAFF TO DRIVE THESE THINGS. I MEAN, HOW, KAREN, HOW MANY, UH, YELLOW SHIRTS ARE WE DOWN FOR THE CROSSINGS FOR BETWEEN, UH, AK AND, UH, BACA BEYOND? WE'RE DEFINITELY HURTING FOR EMPLOYEES, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER AND I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER FOR TCAS EITHER. BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD NINE PART-TIME POSITIONS OF CSAS. MM. AND I THINK WE'VE HAD ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FILL. RIGHT. SO, SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE JUMPING OUT, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THEIR HOMES TO SAY, I, I WANNA DRIVE THAT BUS. IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM. BUT I THINK IT'S BUT HELPFUL, YOU KNOW. BUT I THINK WHEN THE TIME COMES, IF WE, IF WE DO DISCUSS THIS, LIKE THE VICE MAYOR SAID, I THINK IT'S WORTH DISCUSSING TOMORROW OR UH, THURSDAY TO PUT, PUT AN ORDER IN. NOW I, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT TOMORROW, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SEVEN DAYS IF WE CAN GET THE STAFF, UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. RIGHT ON THAT SUBJECT. YES. WE'RE, THIS ISN'T OUR STAFF THAT'S GONNA BE MANAGING THIS IS THE CONTRACTOR, RIGHT. CONTRACTOR. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, HAVE ISSUES. YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT'S THE CONTRACTOR STAFF. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE, THE DRIVERS. BUT THEY ARE, ARE THEY HAVING A PROBLEM HIRING? THEY, THEY HAVE, JUST FOR THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES, THEY HAVE MAINTAINED, UM, FAIRLY WELL. I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT EVEN STAFFING TO THIS LEVEL WITH MICRO TRANSIT, RIGHT? SO BABY STEPS, AND I, I AGREE WITH YOU BABY STEPS . UM, I DON'T, YEAH, I, I DON'T SUPPORT FREE. I WOULD SUPPORT TWO TO FOUR. I I, YOU KNOW, FOR A DOLLAR. IT'S ALMOST LIKE FREE. YES. AND I THINK EVEN FOR A DOLLAR, IT'S GOTTA COST MORE FOR, TO, TO, FOR THE MONEY TO GO THROUGH THE MACHINE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD REALLY PREFER TO SEE TWO TO FOUR. UM, BUT IF THE COUNCIL IS SET TO ON TWO TO ONE, UM, SO BE IT. UH, IT'S NOT, THAT'S, I'M NOT MARRIED TO THAT NUMBER. UM, BUT I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE, I THINK, I BELIEVE FROM MY CONTACT, THE PUBLIC'S GONNA LIKE THIS. AND I THINK THE, IT, WE'RE DOING THIS PRIMARILY TO HELP THE PUBLIC GET POINT A TO POINT B IN THE CITY AND GET CARS OFF THE ROAD. IT'S, TO ME IT GOES HAND IN HAND BECAUSE IF PEOPLE, RESIDENTS ARE NOT GONNA DRIVE THEIR CARS, THEN THEY'RE OFF THE ROAD. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE GONNA USE THIS SERVICE TO GO TO THE MOVIES, TO GO TO THE DOCTOR'S, WHATEVER. I DO REMEMBER, WOW, IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO ALREADY. AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. IT'S A LONG TIME AGO. I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET TO A RESTAURANT AT NIGHTTIME SO THAT YOU COULD DRINK IF YOU CHOSE TO AND HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DRIVING HOME. I, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THURSDAY TO SUNDAY. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. BUT, UM, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING GOOD TO DO. IT WOULD HELP THE HOTELS. IT, I DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN THAT STREET. IT, IT'S ALREADY BEEN TOUCHED ON. SO TWO TO FOUR IF PEOPLE WANTED, IF NOT, UM, TWO TO ONE, $2, $1. AND, UM, THAT'S MY POSITION. BRIAN, YOU WANTED TO FINALIZE AS WELL? I WANTED TO OPINE FURTHER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I STILL STAND BEHIND TWO AND ONE AS THE RIGHT FAIR STRUCTURE FOR NOW SAYING THAT A DOLLAR IS BASICALLY FREE. SEEMS LIKE IT DISREGARDS THAT WE'VE RECOGNIZED WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING THAT 43% OF RESIDENTS ARE COST BURDENED ON HOUSING. SO I KIND OF WOULD LEAN TOWARDS EVERY DOLLAR MATTERS. SO I DON'T THINK A DOLLAR IS FREE. AND I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A CORRELATION BETWEEN FOLKS THAT MAY WELL BE COST BURDEN, NOT ONLY FOR HOUSING, BUT JUST IN BEING ABLE TO LIVE PERIOD HERE SUCH THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE A VEHICLE TO EVEN CHOOSE AS AN ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVE. SO THE SHUTTLE ACTUALLY, OR THE MICRO TRANSIT ACTUALLY ENHANCES THEIR LIFE, BUT A DOLLAR IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT FOR THEM. SO I THINK THAT TWO IN ONE IS THE RIGHT WAY [03:25:01] TO GO. I THINK THAT, UH, CHARGING THE SAME FOR THE TRAIL SHUTTLE, STOP TRAIL SHUTTLE, PARKING, WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING THAT. I, I I, I THINK CHARGING FOR THAT IS FINE. I MEAN, I REMEMBER GOING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE ON THE VERY FIRST DAY, UH, OUT AT, BACK OF BEYOND AT THE CATHEDRAL LOT AND ASKING 'EM WHAT DO THEY THINK ABOUT THIS TRAIL SHUTTLE? AND THEY'RE LIKE, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S FREE. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA DETER, UH, PEOPLE. SO, AND IF WE FIND THAT IT DOES FOR SOME REASON, WELL THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, DROP THAT FEE FOR THAT SPECIFIC ZONE, AS ROBERT HAS MENTIONED. AND THEN LASTLY, ON THE STUDENTS, INHERENTLY, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THERE BEING A DISCOUNT THERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO REALLY THINK THAT THROUGH OF WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO DO THAT? ARE THERE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? DO WE WANT MICRO TRANSIT TO BECOME A DEFACTO SCHOOL BUS? THAT WOULD SEEM LIKE THAT MIGHT BE A BIT OF A CONCERN. SO I THINK, UH, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD A DISCOUNT LATER IF DESIRED. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I WOULD RATHER SEE US GIVE DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO EXAMINE WHETHER THAT IS A WISE MOVE OR NOT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. AND I JUST, I DID NOT, UH, GIVE MY OPINION BEFORE I DON'T THINK I DID. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHARGE FOR THE TRAILHEAD PORTION. IF IT'S TWO TO ONE, THAT'S FINE. BUT I, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK I SAID THAT BEFORE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA? YES. THANK YOU. I WANNA WRAP UP WITH SOME OF, AGAIN, MY LOOSE ENDS. I LEFT ANGLING TOO. UM, FIRST I WANTED TO ASK FOR, IS WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS SUPPORT ON THE DAY AS FOR INCLUDING THE STUDENT DISCOUNT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO MATTER WHEN WE COME FORWARD WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE RESOLUTION. SO WE NEED TO THINK THAT OUT, THAT IF IT'S IN THERE, IS IT GONNA GET VOTED DOWN? AND IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, WILL IT GET VOTED DOWN? I THINK I SEE THIS AS A POTENTIAL SPLIT UP HERE. SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IF WE WANNA INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE, UM, AND WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE. AND THE OTHER THING IS, I WANNA ALSO THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE SPECIFYING NOW. UH, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR IN HERE THAT IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A CHARGE TO GET TO THE TRAIL HEAD TO THE SHUTTLE, THE, THE TRAIL SHUTTLE, UM, AS WELL. UM, WHICH I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE, THE FAIR THAT'S ADOPTED, BE THE FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD, THE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR WHETHER IT'S TO THE SHUTTLE OR WHETHER IT'S TO, UH, THE CURBSIDE ESTABLISHMENT. UM, AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT, OH AND YES, ONE MORE AND THEN I'LL GET TO THE FINAL. AND DO WE WANT IT TO BE A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE VERSUS SHOVELS FIRST? ALL OF THIS WE HAVE TO. JUST A SECOND, ROBERT. OKAY. ALL OF THIS HAS TO BE PUT MY HAND UP IN OUR RESOLUTION. SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO WRAP UP ON LANGUAGE HERE REGARDING THE FOUR, TWO VERSUS TWO ONE. AGAIN, THAT'S NOT ONE WHERE I'M GOING TO DIE ON ANY SORT, BUT I JUST WANNA GIVE THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF THE ARGUMENT HERE JUST FOR CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS THAT YES, PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT A DIFFICULT THING TO DO, HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU'LL BE LIKELY RECEIVING IS WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO DOUBLE THE FEE FOR A SERVICE THAT YOU JUST STARTED. UM, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN FORESEE. SO IF YOU START AT TWO ONE AND SAY YOU WANNA GO TO FOUR TWO, IT'S DOING IT. THE PROCESS ISN'T THE PROBLEM. IT'S THE PERCEPTION IN THE PUBLIC OF DID WE FAIL IN FAIR SETTING IN THE FIRST PLACE? OR ARE WE TRYING TO RECOUP LOSSES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK IT THROUGH? OR JUST, OH SURE. HERE WE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MESS WITH THE, UH, RESIDENTS AGAIN WHO ARE USING THIS BY DOUBLING THE PRICE. YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. WHEN WE SAY IT'S SUCH AN EASY THING TO DO, TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, THEN IT'S DONE. NO, THE PUBLIC COMMENT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AND WHAT YOU HEAR MAY COLOR YOUR OPINION AT THAT TIME. SO THOSE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY FOR EMOTION UNTIL WE'VE, YOU KNOW, CLARIFIED ALL THESE PIECES. WAS THAT YOUR FINAL BOOK? THAT WAS MY FINAL POINT FOR NOW. . I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER NO, THAT WAS THE FINAL ONE. THAT WAS THANK YOU BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU. OKAY. UM, CAN I JUMP? OH YEAH, ROBERT, RIGHT, PLEASE. KURT. WE'RE HERE SETTING FAIR POLICY. COULDN'T THEY PROVIDE DIRECTION DURING THE WORKSHOP ON SOME OF THIS OPERATIONAL STUFF? LIKE NO FREE FARE ZONE FOR THE SHUTTLES, NO PRIORITY ON TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE TRIPS INSTEAD OF TYING UP A MOTION. YES. WELL, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. BUT STUDENT DISCOUNT THOUGH IS STUDENT DISCOUNT YOU COULDN'T INCLUDE IN YOUR POL. YEAH. [03:30:01] I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT TOO. YEAH, I WAS JUST SAY STUDENT DISCOUNT YOU COULD INCLUDE IN THAT POLICY. BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, CONSIDER WHICH STUDENTS, RIGHT. WELL THAT I, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW IS I, I THINK WHAT COUNCILOR FUL SAID MADE A LOT OF SENSE. LET THE STAFF DO THAT RESEARCH AND SEE, BECAUSE I THINK WHICH SCHOOL, WHICH KIDS, THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. TO ME, IT'S ONE WIPE OF A BRUSH. WHAT ARE THE UNDERSTANDING CONSEQUENCES? BUT I THINK IF STAFF KNOWS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING TO BE LOOKED AT, IF THEY GET BACK TO US IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS OR IF ROBERT CAN DO SOME RESEARCH, THAT WOULD BE FINE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE, UH, LOOKED AT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE. BLESS YOU. DOESN'T I, BECAUSE I COULD JUST SEE BUSING COMPANY OR SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BUSES, NO, YOU KNOW, CUT BACK ON THE AMOUNT OF BUSES THEY HAVE BECAUSE HEY, THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS IT. MICRO TRANSITS. I'M NOT SAYING GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT. I COULD JUST SEE THAT THAT BE SOMETHING WE DIDN'T PLAN ON. IS THAT AGREEABLE TO ANY EVERYBODY HERE? WELL, ANYBODY HERE, I'D LIKE TO ASK ROBERT A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. EXACTLY. GO AHEAD, ROBERT. YOUR COMMENTS WAS EXACTLY THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK YOU THAT ARE WE OVERCOMPLICATING THE NEED FOR THIS MOTION THAT'S IN HERE? 'CAUSE THIS REALLY IS FAIR POLICY AND, AND THEN THERE'S JUST, THEN THERE'S OPERATIONAL POLICY THAT LAYERS ON TOP OF THAT. BUT YEAH, I I WOULD SAY ADDING A STUDENT DISCOUNT TO YOUR EXISTING FAIR POLICY WOULDN'T REQUIRE, UH, PUBLIC NOTICE AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, EVEN WITHOUT THE STUDENT DISCOUNT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS'LL HAPPEN HERE 'CAUSE I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS OR, OR SOME OF THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS AS WELL, BUT ONE OF YOU MADE A COMMENT UP THERE THAT THE SCHOOLS WOULD KIDNAP YOUR MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . AND THAT DID INDEED HAPPEN IN CALIFORNIA. SO RIGHT. , THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD WAIT ON THAT. SO YOU KNOW IT, SO I, SO WE'RE MAYOR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE THING THAT I WAS GONNA PUT FORTH HERE IS THAT I UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE DESIRE FROM SOME OF THE COUNCIL TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE BECAUSE WE CALL OUT SOME OF THE STUFF. BUT MAYBE THE LANGUAGE IS JUST AS GENERIC AS A SCHOOL DISCOUNT AND THEN THE LATER POLICY ACTUALLY WORKS OUT WHAT THE SCHOOL QUALIFICATION IS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO NOT HAVE TO EXACTLY ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY MOVING FORWARD ON HOW TO DO IT. SO THAT'S KIND OF A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THAT IS, WE CAN GET AWAY WITH DOING THAT. AND THEN WHETHER WE WANT TO DO THAT. WE DIDN'T GET TO JUMP IN BEFORE. KURT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? UH, IT, THE, THE ONLY QUESTION I WAS RESPONDING TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL WAS TO ROBERT'S QUESTION. AND THE FAIR POLICY, UH, SHOULD BE LIMITED TO ACTUAL, UM, THE, THE FAIR, THE ACTUAL AMOUNT THAT'S GONNA BE CHARGED AND ANY EXEMPTIONS, BROADER POLICY DISCUSSIONS CAN BE JUST, CAN BE, CAN BE DISCUSSED NOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY UP FOR A MOTION TONIGHT. AND TOMORROW WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO DISCUSS AS AND I I VIEW, VIEW ALL THOSE OTHERS THAT AS JUST OPERATIONAL PROCEDURE AND ALL THOSE OTHERS COULD INCLUDE A SCHOOL DISCOUNT. IF WE DON'T ITEMIZE IT, MENTION IT SPECIFICALLY IN OUR MOTION TODAY. OH, A SCHOOL DISCOUNT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THE FAIR POLICY TODAY. FAIR. SO I GET, YOU KNOW, BUT IT COULD, I AMEND THE FAIR POLICY LATER BY CONSENT . UM, YEAH. AS LONG AS WE'RE REDUCING THE FAIR OR, OR WELL, THAT WOULD BE A REDUCTION. WE DON'T NEED A NOTICE PERIOD. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A PUBLIC COMMENT. I COULD JUST YES. GIVE YOU A CONSENT MEMO AFTER WE DO THE RESEARCH AND GO TO, TO THAT. I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, ROBERT, BECAUSE I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID, BUT , BUT I MEAN, HOW IT FITS IN. BECAUSE IF WE ARE SAYING, IF THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION IS GONNA SAY THE FOLLOWING PERSON'S ELIGIBLE FOR THE DISCOUNT FAIR, AND THE DISCOUNT FAIR IS PRESCRIBED TO BE HALF OF THE REGULAR FAIR HALF, WOULD AMENDING A SCHOOL DISCOUNT LATER BE REDUCING IT? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REDUCED DOWN FURTHER THAN THAT. UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. WHERE, WHERE YOU WERE GOING IN RESPONSE TO KURT'S POINT. AND I'M NOT SURE IT WAS ADDRESSED. I'LL, I'LL TRY IT. UM, TO, TO YOUR POINT, COUNSELOR. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'D BE THIS AS A, AS A RESOLUTION FROM CITY COUNCIL, THEN COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THAT. BUT IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A NEW NOTICE PERIOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN FAIR CONSENT AGENDA. CERTAIN SUBGROUP. SO IT'S A [03:35:01] REDUCTION. 'CAUSE THEY WOULD PAY FULL FARE. THEY, THEY'D PAY FULL FARE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE POLICIES AMENDED AND THEY WOULD PAY HALF FAIR. SO, OKAY. SO IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING THE, IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FAIR RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO, NO OTHER THING ON THE AGENDA. EVERYTHING ELSE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE TOMORROW OR ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING. I WAS PERSUADED BY, UH, COUNSELOR FOLTZ, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT STUDENTS. AND I ALSO, BY ROBERT'S CONCERNS ABOUT DEFINING WHO AND WHAT A STUDENT IS. AND BY HIS , HIS, HIS STATEMENT THAT IN FACT IT HAS HAPPENED THAT SCHOOLS HAVE SAID, WELL, LOOK AT THIS , WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS ANYMORE. AND THEY CUT THEIR BUDGETS AND THEN IT FALLS ON THE PUBLIC TRANSIT. I'M NOT SURE THAT EVEN $2 WOULDN'T BE A BIG INCENTIVE FOR SCHOOLS TO DO THAT. BUT, UM, GIVEN SO I CAN, I'M, I DON'T WANNA ADD SCHOOL EXEMPTION AT THIS POINT. AND BECAUSE ROBERT TALKS ABOUT SPURRING RIDERSHIP AND ABOUT NEEDING THE NUMBERS IN ORDER TO GET MORE FEDERAL DOLLARS, I'M GOING FOR TWO IN ONE, WHICH ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION OF DECIDING TONIGHT. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE, OH, VICE MAYOR. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION. WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET. BUT WE COULD AS A COUNCIL, AS A BODY GIVE DIRECTION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. IS THERE A REASON WE CAN'T GIVE DIRECTION? NO, YOU CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION ON ANY TOPIC RELATED TO FARES. OKAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S A MAJORITY TO GIVE DIRECTION TO NOT HAVE SHUTTLE BE THE PRIORITY. OH, WHAT, I'M SORRY. NOT HAVE TO NOT HAVE THE SHUTTLE CONNECT BE THE PRIORITY, BUT FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. I SUPPORT THAT. THUMBS UP. YEAH, NO, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I THINK WE UNANIMOUS, UNANIMOUS UNANIM. NO, IT'S FIVE. I DIDN'T VOTE. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING, I THOUGHT YOU JUST DID THIS, BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING, I DID THIS , WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT IN THE AGENDA BILL ON THE SECOND LINE IN PARENTHESES SEDONA SHUTTLE CONNECT, SO IT'S THE MICRO TRANSIT SEDONA SHUTTLE CONNECT, WHICH TELLS ME THAT THAT WAS THE, WHERE THE, THE PRIORITY WE'RE ONLY IN THE MOTION. NO, I UNDERSTAND. I'M ASKING IF, OH, I'M ON AGENDA. I'M ASKING YOU IF YOU SEE IT IN THE MOTION THOUGH. NO, I DON'T. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. NO, I WAS ASKING YOU, BUT I WOULD, BUT I THINK THAT THE TIME HAS CHANGED. SO I WOULD SO YOU THINK EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS? WELL, I THINK THAT THE YES, YES. OKAY. YES. IS, THAT'S, YES, BUT I, AND I WOULD SUPPORT THE, WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID ABOUT, UH, AND WAS UNANIMOUS. BUT, UM, YES, , JESSICA ABSTAINED IT. SO IT WASN'T UNANIM. NO, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IN ABSTAINING. OKAY. SO YOU ARE SUPPORTING I'M SUPPORTING BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS IT. OKAY. AND BECAUSE IT'S ARBITRARY TO BEGIN WITH WHAT WE USE IT FOR. AND, BUT I ALSO DO BELIEVE, I'M SORRY, JUST WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY? IS IT ON THAT POINT? IS IT, NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THEN. OKAY. CAN WE THEN I'D LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED. OKAY. WHERE ARE YOU FOR THE, THE MOTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CORRECT THE MOTION? NO, I'M NOT, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GET SOMETHING ELSE IN HERE FOR DIRECTION. GO RIGHT AHEAD. SO FOLLOWING WHAT WE JUST DID, THE GOOD EXAMPLE OF OUR VICE MAYOR, I'D ALSO LIKE IT 'CAUSE I WANNA CLEAR DIRECTION THAT THE FAIR EXISTS ACROSS THE BOARD, NO MATTER THE DESTINATION BEING REQUESTED, WHETHER IT'S SHUTTLE OR WHATEVER. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING, THAT WE PROVIDE DIRECTION ON. I HAVE COMMENTS THOUGH ON THAT. I CAN'T 'CAUSE WE NEED COMMENTS BEFORE WE HAVE A FINAL VOTE. ANYWAY, THAT WAS, I'M NO, NO. I JUST, WE JUST GAVE COMMENTS FOR RIGHT. WE'VE JUST BEEN GIVING COMMENTS FOR THE PAST HALF HOUR. MM-HMM. , I'M JUST SAYING GETTING CARS OFF THE ROADWAY IS, IS BEING SUPERSEDED IN THIS CASE? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME. OKAY. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. I, I I WAS CLEAR WHEN I SAID TAKING CARE OF THE RESIDENTS TO GET THEM TO SHOPPING [03:40:01] AS WELL AS, BECAUSE IF WE GET THEM GOING TO SHOPPING AND TO THE DOCTOR, THEIR CAR WOULD BE OFF THE ROAD. THAT MANY CERTAINLY THE CAREGIVERS DON'T DRIVE ANYWAY. . NO, BUT THEIR VOLUNTEERS DO. RIGHT. THANK YOU. TRUE POINT, TRUE POINT. OKAY, MAYOR, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE MOTION IS. ROBERT HAS. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'VE GOT DIRECTION, I THINK I HAVE DIRECTION ON THIS. SOME OF THESE POLICIES. NO. FREE FAIR ZONES, RIGHT? FOR THE MICROT TRANSIT SERVICE WHEN IT LAUNCHES. MM-HMM. AND NO PRIORITY ON MICROT TRANSIT TRIPS TO THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE, PARK AND RIDE WHEN IT LAUNCHES? YES. OKAY. I JUST MAKE HER COMMENT. BRIAN WOULD BE GOING FIRST. DOES THAT WORK? OR I WANNA MAKE THE MOTION. I THINK COUNCILOR DUNN HAS SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD. OKAY. YEAH. SO I WANNA MAKE IT, I WANT TO STAND WITH COUNCILOR FOLTZ THAT STUDENTS IS A REALLY TRICKY WORD. MM-HMM. . AND WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO HAVE THOUGHT PUT INTO THIS AND NOT MAKE IT RELEVANT BECAUSE DURING SPRING BREAK, WHO DO YOU THINK IS HERE? WELL, I THOUGHT WE PUT THAT ON HOLD. NO, I'M JUST SAYING GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF AROUND, IF WE'RE GOING, IF THIS IS COMING BACK, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY MEANS AND WHAT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE BEYOND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. SO I, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY TRICKY THING. AND SO BEFORE WE START TO TALK ABOUT IT AS POLICY, I REALLY THINK IT NEEDS RESEARCH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO OUR SYSTEM POTENTIALLY. AND I THINK THAT THEY'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. HOPEFULLY THEY WILL. SO COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I TOTALLY DISAGREE. I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF STAFF TIME TO DO THAT. AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE IN TELLING STAFF TO, TO RESEARCH SOMETHING THAT MAKES NO, THAT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND THAT IS, IS IS NOT ACTUALLY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF RESEARCH. I MEAN, AS YOU POINT OUT, I'M A STUDENT, I'M A STUDENT OF HUMAN NATURE, YOU KNOW? NO, REALLY. AND THAT'S TO WHAT YOU SAID, THAT THE FIGHTS ARE ALWAYS ABOUT FAIRS AND WHAT, WHETHER YOU FALL INTO A CATEGORY THAT GETS SOMETHING, AND I DON'T SEE WHY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO START A SYSTEM, WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING GOING. WHY WE WOULD DO THAT? LET'S JUST NOT BURDEN STAFF WITH THIS KIND OF THING. NOW THIS WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT OR WE CAN ALWAYS, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH DOING FOR STAFF TO DO IT. OKAY. I REALLY DON'T. SO WHY DON'T WE DO THE, THE, THE BEST THING AND ASK THE CITY MANAGER IF SHE THINKS THAT THAT IS A TIME CONSUMING PROCESS OR, OR NOT. OR IF IT CAN WAIT UNTIL THE SYSTEM'S UP AND RUNNING SHOULD WAIT. RIGHT. WELL WE MAY HAVE A YEAR TO GO BEFORE IT'S UP AND RUNNING. YEAH. I WASN'T SAYING THAT WE POSTPONE RIGHT. GETTING THIS UP AND RUNNING. I'M SAYING THAT WE POSTPONE ADDING ANYTHING IN OUR LANGUAGE MM-HMM. THAT REQUIRES STUDENT TO BE IN DISCOUNT SECTION. I ABSOLUTE, THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THERE'S A QUESTION I HAVE FOR ME TO THE CITY MANAGER. CAN YOU, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AS PART OF TONIGHT'S FAIR POLICY. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER LATER. AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YEAH, IT'S EXTREMELY COMPLICATED. UHHUH AND LIKE ROBERT SAID, YOU'VE SEEN ONE TRANSIT FAIR POLICY, YOU'VE SEEN ONE, AND IT'S, IT'S SUBJECTIVE. IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT. IT'S GONNA BE ONEROUS ON THE DRIVERS. IT'S PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET ARGUMENTATIVE OVER IT. BUT IF WE WANT TO LAUNCH THE SYSTEM AND SEE WHAT KIND OF DEMAND THERE ARE FROM LOCAL UH STUDENTS, AND THAT DEFINITION IS YET TO BE DETERMINED, WE CAN THEN SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME IMPETUS THERE FOR US TO SPEND THE TIME THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO TRY TO DEVELOP A, A SYSTEM OR A POLICY AROUND THAT. AND THAT WOULD BE AFTER WE'VE GOT ENOUGH HISTORY AND EVIDENCE OF, OF DEMAND. UM, RIGHT. AND THERE THERE'S OTHER WAYS AROUND THAT. YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND BASICALLY CHARGED THEM FOR DISCOUNTED PASSES, , AND THEN THEY PASSED THEM ON TO THEIR STUDENTS. SO THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO IT. SO, SO THAT WAY YOU'RE GETTING REVENUE BACK INTO THE SYSTEM. SO, UM, OKAY. WE CAN COME BACK WITH THAT. OKAY. SO WE ARE RIGHT NOW GOING TO COME UP WITH THE VERBIAGE FOR THE FEE FAIR. OKAY. AND I THINK ROBERT UNDERSTANDS THE POLICY CHANGES. HE'S ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED [03:45:01] THAT. SO WE'RE GONNA JUST DO, WE'RE JUST GONNA DO OPTION TWO MM-HMM. MOTION. YEAH. SO I MOVE TO APPROVE AN INITIAL FARE OF $2 REGULAR, ONE-WAY AND $1 DISCOUNT ONE WAY WITH A FOLLOWING PERSONS ELIGIBLE FOR THE DISCOUNT. FAIR. 60 PLUS YEARS OF AGE, PROOF OF AGE MAY BE REQUIRED. MEDICARE CARD HOLDERS, VETERANS WITH ID PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES AND ARIZONA RESIDENCE WITH A VALID ACCESS CARD THAT'S A-C-C-C-H-S AND FREE FARE FOR CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE. I SECOND THAT. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSION. I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION, KURT. THE TERM DISABILITIES, CLEARLY IN HERE WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH DOGS FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS BECAUSE THEY'RE DISABLED FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS. DO WE WANNA CLARIFY, AND THAT'S, I'M OPENING UP A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS HERE, BUT ROBERT, YOU WHAT? I, I CAN, WE ALREADY HAVE A SEPARATE POLICY ON SERVICE ANIMALS. PERFECT. IN EFFECT. OKAY. BUT IF SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER KIND OF SOCIAL SOCIAL ISSUES, I, IT'S A DISABILITY, I WANNA SAVE A DOLLAR, TYPICALLY THAT'S GONNA BE AN OPERATOR DISCRETION. AND IN MOST CASES, FOLKS THAT ARE CARRYING MEDICARE CARDS HAVE A DISABILITY OR THAT THAT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. OKAY. AND SO IT'S MY QUESTION, QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED. YEAH. OKAY. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ? NO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. SECONDED. WHO SECONDED THAT? I DID JESSICA. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE COMMENT. OH SURE. JUST ONE . I INVITE THE COUNSELORS TO FOLLOW THE TACT AGENDAS AND MINUTES AND OR ATTEND THE MEETINGS. AND YOU CAN GET INTO SOME OF THIS DETAIL THAT MAY, MAY HAVE ALLUDED YOU, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT ON YOUR PLATE, SO I UNDERSTAND IT. ESPECIALLY THIS WEEK. YEAH. AND TOMORROW. OKAY. WELL THAT WENT SWIMMINGLY WELL. I ACTUALLY THINK IT DID GO WELL. NO, IT RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, ROBERT. THANKS. OKAY, [8.f. Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] ITEM F, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. I'LL SEE YOU IN JUST 12 HOURS, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 12 HOURS UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. HEARING NONE. MEETINGS [10. ADJOURNMENT] ADJOURNED. EIGHT STARTS AT EIGHT MM-HMM, EIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.