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          JUST LEFT HERE 
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          I GOTCHA. 
          MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE WE JUST LEFT HERE. 
          MAYBE IT EXCUSE BECAUSE WE JUST LEFT HERE. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER]
LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          MADAM CLERK. 
          THERE YOU ARE. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. 
          PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR FOLTZ? HERE. 
          COUNCILOR FURMAN? HERE. 
          COUNCILOR KINSELLA. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, 
          [3. SPECIAL BUSINESS]
ITEM THREE, SPECIAL BUSINESS, UH, DISCUSSION. 
          UH, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE FOLLOWING. 
          AND THIS WILL BE AN OVERVIEW OF THE RETREAT SCHEDULE THAT WILL BE GIVEN BY KAREN, THE OVERVIEW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND COUNSELORS. 
          THANK YOU, MARY. 
          UM, YOU HAVE THE OVERVIEW IN YOUR PACKET, THE AGENDA. 
          UM, SHERRY WILL START OFF THIS YEAR. 
          WE'VE SOMETIMES DONE IT IN IN DIFFERENT ORDERS, BUT WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH THE FINANCIAL FORECAST. 
          UM, I'M GONNA HAVE A, A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT EMPLOYEE WAGES, AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO THE UPDATES ON THE COUNCIL PRIORITY ITEMS. SO WE'LL GET THROUGH HOWEVER MANY OF THOSE WE CAN GET THROUGH TODAY. 
          AND WHEREVER WE END, WE WILL RESUME TOMORROW. 
          AND THEN AT THE END OF TOMORROW, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EACH OF YOU WHO PUT SOMETHING ON THE, THE NEW ITEM LIST TO KINDA MAKE YOUR, YOUR PITCHES FOR WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. 
          SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME CONSENSUS ABOUT THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN FINALIZE THE FY 25 WORK PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO SHERRY, GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MORNING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU ON, UM, OUR STATUS. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT CURRENTLY, UM, SOME OF THE ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS TO CONSIDER, AND THEN OUR LONG RANGE FORECAST. 
          SO I HAVE HERE, UM, WE ARE JUST ABOUT AT THE END OF OUR AUDIT PROCESS ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2023. 
          I DON'T EXPECT THE NUMBERS TO CHANGE, UM, BUT I STILL PUT PRELIMINARY ON THERE JUST IN CASE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT DONE. 
          UM, SO FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 23, WE STARTED OFF WITH, UM, $99.7 MILLION. 
          WE HAD REVENUES OF 63.4. 
          UM, THE OTHER FINANCING SOURCES, TECHNICALLY WHEN WE ISSUED THE BONDS FOR THE CULTURAL PARK, UM, THAT WAS NOT TECHNICALLY A REVENUE, SO THEY CALL IT OTHER FINANCING SOURCES, EXPENDITURES OF 74.3 MILLION AND ENDED WITH 99 MILLION. 
          SO WE BARELY DIPPED INTO OUR FUND BALANCES AT ALL DURING THE YEAR. 
          WOW. 
          UM, WITH THAT 99 MILLION INCLUDED IN THAT ENDING BALANCE IS ALL THE VARIOUS RESERVES THAT WE HAVE, ALL THE POLICY RESERVES ARE FULLY FUNDED. 
          UM, THE GENERAL FUND, UM, SURPLUS WAS 10.8 MILLION DURING THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          24 BUDGET PROCESS COUNSEL DID ALLOCATE A PORTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 23 SURPLUS. 
          SO THERE'S 5.8 MILLION DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR, 2025 BUDGET, UM, PROCESS FROM FISCAL YEAR 23 THAT IS LIKE ACTUAL SURPLUS THAT WE KNOW THAT NUMBER, UM, TO ALLOCATE. 
          UM, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT IN THE PROCESS, WE'LL HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH WE THINK FISCAL YEAR 24 SURPLUS MIGHT BE, BUT FISCAL YEAR 24 WON'T BE OVER. 
          YES. 
          QUICK QUESTION, SHERRY, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT BOND FUNDING WAS THE OTHER FINANCING SOURCES WITHIN EXPENDITURES. 
          IS THE PURCHASE OF CULTURAL PARK IN THAT 74.3 THEN? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IN OUR MOST RECENT, UM, INVESTMENT AND CASHFLOW REPORT, WHICH, UM, I WAS A LITTLE BUSY, SO I DIDN'T FINISH UP THE LAST BIT OF REVIEWING TO GET IT POSTED ON THE WEBSITE JUST YET, SO THAT'LL BE COMING VERY SOON. 
          BUT YOU GET THIS, UH, PREVIEW. 
          SO THE, UM, CASH INVESTMENT POSITION AS OF NOVEMBER, 86.1 MILLION, UM, WHICH IS NOW THE HIGHEST BALANCE OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN, UM, IN OUR PORTFOLIO. 
          UM, THIS DOES, UM, REPRESENT THE PORTFOLIO THAT, THAT WE'RE MANAGING WITH INTERNALLY. 
          WE DO HAVE THE BALANCES THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY TRUSTEES, UM, THAT WE DON'T INCLUDE IN THIS. 
          AND SO THE, UM, BOND PROCEEDS FROM THE 25 MILLION ARE NOT PART OF THAT NUMBER. 
          THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE THE 86 MILLION. 
          UM, AND THEN WHEN WE, THE PROCESS, WHEN WE MAKE THE BOND PAYMENTS, WE TRANSFER 'EM TO THE TRUSTEE, THEN THEY MAKE THE PAYMENTS. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE DIFFERENT 
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SPIKES THERE, UM, IF WE INCLUDED THAT. 
          SO, UM, HERE IS SALES AND BED TAX, UH, REVENUE INFORMATION THROUGH OCTOBER. 
          UH, THIS IS THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION WE HAVE. 
          WE WON'T HAVE NOVEMBER INFORMATION UNTIL, UH, MID-JANUARY. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS THE LATEST AND GREATEST. 
          AND, UM, FOR OCTOBER SALES TAX YEAR TO DATE IS 3% HIGHER THAN WHERE WE WERE AT LAST FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND BED TAX 11% HIGHER THAN WE, WHERE WE WERE AT AT THIS, THIS POINT FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND I ALSO ADDED A COUPLE NOTES HERE, UM, THAT OUR HIGHEST PEAK, UM, WAS DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 22, SO OCTOBER OF 21. 
          UM, THE SALES TAX AT THIS POINT, COMPARED TO THAT REALLY HIGH PEAK THAT WE HAD, UM, IS ONLY 1.7% LESS THAN WHERE THAT WAS. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO THAT HIGH PEAK. 
          AND THE BED TAX IS ACTUALLY ABOVE WHERE THAT HIGH PEAK WAS. 
          SO, UH, 1.4%. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY AT THE NUMBERS OF WHERE WE WERE AT IN FISCAL YEAR 22. 
          MY GOODNESS. 
          UM, HERE'S SHOWING WITH, UM, THE GRAPHS AND, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT BOTH, UM, SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER INDIVIDUALLY, EACH ONE OF THOSE MONTHS IS HIGHER THAN THAT PEAK IN FISCAL YEAR 22. 
          SO IT WAS A LITTLE LOWER IN JULY AND AUGUST, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S SOME OF THAT VARIATION, UM, IN THE YEAR TO DATE NUMBERS. 
          BUT STARTING SEPTEMBER AND NOW OCTOBER, BOTH HAVE BEEN HIGHER THAN THAT, THAT PEAK. 
          SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT TREND TAKES US. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, THE SEASONAL PATTERNS OF THE WAY THAT OUR SALES AND BED TAX, UM, FUNCTION IS THE SPRING IS OUR, OUR BIG PEAK FOR THE FISCAL YEAR AND IS, UM, HAS ALWAYS BEEN HIGHER THAN WHAT THE PREVIOUS FALL WOULD BE. 
          SO, UM, IF IT FOLLOWS THAT SAME TREND THIS SPRING SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          THE ONLY EXCEPTION WOULD BE DURING THOSE COVID CLOSURES WHERE, AND WE WERE DOWN TO ALMOST NOTHING . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO HERE I HAVE, UM, FOR YOU SOME OF THE HISTORY OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN. 
          UM, THE FIRST LINE HERE, THIS GREEN LINE, SO THIS IS HOW MUCH WE BUDGETED. 
          UM, AND FISCAL YEAR 23, UM, WAS QUITE A BIT MORE, UM, AT 105 MILLION, UM, BECAUSE OF THE LARGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT WERE, UM, BEING CONSIDERED THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE DONE AND THE PURCHASE OF THE CULTURAL PARK. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT WHERE THE EXPENDITURES ENDED UP, OUR EXPENDITURES ARE ALWAYS, UM, WELL UNDER WHAT THE, THE BUDGET NUMBERS ARE. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER GAP WITH FISCAL YEAR 23 BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE CIP PROJECTS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE GONNA MOVE FORWARD HAD DELAYS, UM, WITH THE, THE GARAGE FOR ADDITIONAL STUDY. 
          BUT, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS, THE, UM, FOREST ROAD AND THE UNDERPASS, UM, SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS HAD WE SAW DELAYS IN SOME OF THOSE. 
          SO, UM, HERE I HAVE THE CHART FOR YOU ON THE DIFFERENCE, UH, BETWEEN THE BUDGET TO ACTUAL, UM, BACK IN THE, THE EARLIER YEARS HERE, THIS IS WHEN THEY WERE BUDGETING THE ENTIRE CIP PROJECT IN YEAR ONE, INSTEAD OF SEPARATING HOW MUCH WAS YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE. 
          SO THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THESE BIG GAPS HERE. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE GREAT RECESSION HIT, THEY NEEDED TO BUDGET CLOSER. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THINGS WERE, UH, A A LOT MORE ALIGNED. 
          BUT THEN WE'VE HAD RECENTLY WE'VE STARTED TO HAVE, UM, SOME BIGGER GAPS AGAIN, UM, WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECT DELAYS, UM, IS THE PRIMARY, UM, PLACE WHERE WE'RE SEEING THOSE GAPS. 
          SO, UM, THIS GOLD LINE IS THE FUND BALANCES, AND YOU CAN SEE THE GOLD LINE IS WELL ABOVE THE BLUE LINE OF OUR EXPENDITURE. 
          SO OUR, OUR FUND BALANCES HAVE, HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN MORE THAN A YEAR'S WORTH OF EXPENDITURES. 
          SO, UM, AND A AND A LOT OF THAT IS RESERVES THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS COMING, SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THOSE. 
          THIS LINE DOWN HERE, THIS KIND OF GRAYISH LINE IS, UM, WHAT OUR OPERATING RESERVE REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          SO WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF OTHER RESERVES THAT WE DO. 
          WE WANNA RESERVE MONEY FOR, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WE WANNA RESERVE MONEY FOR, UM, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, UM, HOUSING, ET CETERA. 
          BUT FOR AS FAR AS THE OPERATING RESERVES, THIS IS WHERE OUR OPERATING RESERVES ARE. 
          SO WE'RE WELL ABOVE, LIKE, BASICALLY LIKE WHERE OUR MINIMUMS SHOULD BE. 
          WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE THAT. 
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OKAY. 
          SO SOME OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER, UM, UH, REGARDING ECONOMIC, UM, IS THERE A RECESSION COMING LAST YEAR? THE ECONOMISTS WERE REALLY PRETTY MUCH ALIGNED WITH YES. 
          AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN IN 2023 WE'RE IN DECEMBER. 
          IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
          UM, AND SO A LOT OF ECONOMISTS HAVE BACKED OFF ON THAT. 
          UM, THERE, THERE'S AS MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS AS THEY'RE ECONOMISTS, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME THAT ARE LIKE, OH YES, AND IT'S GONNA BE TERRIBLE AND IT'S GONNA BE, UM, THE WORST EVER. 
          BUT, UH, THE, THE MAJORITY ARE SAYING, UM, NOT NOW. 
          MAYBE AT SOME POINT COMING IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UH, THEY DON'T SEE IT BEING IMMINENT. 
          AND, UM, AND A LOT OF 'EM ARE SAYING THAT WHEN IT IS THAT THEY EXPECT THAT IT'LL BE MILD. 
          THERE ARE EVEN SOME SAYING THAT, UM, MAYBE WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA HAVE A RECESSION AT ALL BECAUSE THE FEDS ARE GONNA GET IT JUST RIGHT THIS TIME AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SOFT LANDING. 
          UM, WHO KNOWS . 
          SO, UM, I DIDN'T BRING MY MAGIC EIGHT BALL. 
          I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY MAGIC EIGHT BALL. 
          WE COULD HAVE ASKED IT . 
          UM, ANOTHER THING IS, UM, CONSTANTLY DEALING WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. 
          UM, YOU WERE TALKING WITH, UM, ROBERT LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE THEM. 
          AND, UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST, UM, BUSES AND SHUTTLES AND IT'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. 
          UM, JUST TRYING TO GET, UM, POLICE VEHICLES AND, UM, OTHER VEHICLES LIKE IT, IT'S JUST A CONSTANT THING DEALING WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. 
          SO WE MAY SAY WE NEED SOMETHING AND BUDGET FOR IT, AND THEN IT'S LIKE IT TOOK A YEAR BEFORE WE COULD EVEN GET IT. 
          AND SO WHEN DOES THE EXPENDITURE ACTUALLY OCCUR? THIS IS IMPACTING SOME OF THAT. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE GOT SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU ON STAFFING TURNOVER. 
          SO, UM, THAT IS A, A CONCERN STILL AND AN ISSUE. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST US, IT IS WITH OUR SUPPLIERS AS WELL, THE VENDORS, UM, OTHER, UM, ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE WORK WITH. 
          SO IT, IT IS STILL ACROSS THE COUNTRY SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE IS, UM, DEALING WITH STAFFING SHORTAGES AND, AND TURNOVER. 
          UM, THE, UM, INFLATIONARY RATES. 
          SO WHEN I SEND YOU THE, THE EMAILS WITH THE SALES AND BED TAX, UM, INFORMATION, AND I, AND I SAY, HERE'S WHAT THE WESTERN REGION CPI IS, WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING ISN'T NECESSARILY IN LINE WITH WHAT CPI NUMBERS ARE, UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION, BUT A LOT OF THINGS AS WELL AS NOT JUST CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO WE SEE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES, UM, THAT JUST SEEM TO JUST KEEP HAPPENING. 
          UM, AND EVEN AFTER STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, OKAY, I NEED TO REVISE MY ESTIMATE. 
          AND THINGS HAVE BEEN REVISED MORE THAN ONCE AND THINGS STILL COME IN SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. 
          SO, UM, THAT REALLY KIND OF IS THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND THEN, SORRY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. 
          UH, ARE THERE, SO WHEN YOU DO THE OVERALL REPORT FOR US ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE USE THE WESTERN CPI AS OUR INDICATOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN TALKING TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, THEY SAY WE'RE EXPERIENCING MUCH HIGHER COSTS THAN THAT WOULD SHOW. 
          CAN YOU BREAK DOWN, NOT YOU PERSONALLY, BUT IS THERE A BREAKDOWN BY INDUSTRY THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO LOOK AT INFLATION? DOES ANYBODY REPORT THAT, YOU KNOW, BY INDUSTRY SO WE COULD HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR THE IMPACT ON CERTAIN TYPES OF LOCAL BUSINESSES? UH, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN FIND ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          I, I, YOU DON'T THINK SO? UM, IS THAT, SO SOMETIMES IT'S 'CAUSE LIKE I'LL LISTEN TO LIKE THE PRESENTATIONS AND THINGS THAT ECONOMISTS DO AND WHATEVER DATA THEY PROVIDE AND, UM, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE SOME OF THESE THINGS AREN'T ALL THAT EASILY ACCESSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT LET ME, LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN FIND ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, OKAY, SHERRY, JUST ONE AS A FOLLOW UP. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WE TALK ABOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN. 
          IS THAT BY REGION, THE, JUST THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GETTING? IS THAT JUST AN OVERALL GLOBAL, LIKE I KNOW HERE WHERE WE ARE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS GETTING ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE SO FAR AWAY FROM PHOENIX DOWN THERE. 
          THEY HAVE LESS IS THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES, BUT IT'S NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE. 
          HOW IS THAT BROKEN DOWN? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S 
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REALLY ANY GOOD MEASUREMENTS BEING DONE ON THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          AND I WOULD SAY MAYBE SOME THINGS WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE ISSUE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WHERE IT, IT IS JUST GLOBAL OR AT LEAST NATIONWIDE THAT WE'RE HAVING ISSUES. 
          I COULDN'T SPEAK TO OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT NO, NO, I, I GET THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD, UH, MUCH ABOUT, UH, THE STATE'S PROJECTIONS OF REVENUE SHORTAGES. 
          THEY'RE PROJECTING, UM, 400 MILLION SHORTAGE IN THE INCOME TAX REVENUE, WHICH, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE CUTTING BACK ON THE RATE, AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE SHORTAGES , UM, FOR THE BUDGET, UM, THEY HAD BASICALLY ALLOCATED ALL OF THEIR FUND BALANCE EXCEPT FOR A VERY, VERY MINOR AMOUNT, WHICH FOR THEM WAS AS BIG AS THEY ARE SUCH A TINY AMOUNT. 
          AND SO THEY'VE BASICALLY BROUGHT THEMSELVES DOWN TO ALMOST ZERO AND GOING, OKAY, WELL NOW I HAVE A SHORTAGE. 
          BUT THE OTHER THING, SO IT'S A $400 MILLION, UM, SHORTAGE IN INCOME TAX REVENUE OUT OF A $18 BILLION BUDGET. 
          AND SO WHAT, IN ORDER TO COMPREHEND NUMBERS THAT ARE SO LARGE, DROP SOME ZEROS. 
          SO IT'S LIKE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU HAD AN $18,000 BUDGET AND YOU HAD $400 SHORTAGE, IT'S LIKE, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S REALLY ALL THAT MUCH. 
          YES, 400 MILLION IS A HUGE DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          ANY OF US WOULD BE LIKE, OH YEAH, I'LL TAKE $400 MILLION. 
          BUT, UM, BUT IN RELATIVITY TO THEIR BUDGET, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT. 
          UM, FROM WHAT, UM, I'VE HEARD THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL USE IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UM, TO TRY AND TAKE MORE THINGS AWAY FROM CITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY, OH, CITIES HAVE ALL THIS MONEY, THEY DON'T NEED THIS, UM, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PORTFOLIO AND GO, OH YEAH, SEDONAS GOT MONEY, BUT WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF HUGE PRIORITIES THAT THAT MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO. 
          SO, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE SOME BIG HUGE, ENORMOUS SURPLUS THAT THEY CAN GO, HEY, I WANT SOME OF THAT $80 MILLION. 
          LIKE, NO, WE NEED IT. 
          UM, SO I DON'T, WE'LL WE'LL SEE HOW THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION GOES, BUT UM, THERE, THERE'S TALK OF A LOT OF THINGS OF, OF THAT THEY DON'T LIKE SOME OF THE POLITICAL DECISIONS THAT SOME OF THE VARIOUS CITIES ARE, ARE TAKING ON THINGS AND THINKING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE SOME AVENUE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE AGAINST THE CITIES. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THE WORD I'M HEARING, UM, SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, SO, UM, IN NOVEMBER, UH, WENT TO THE NAU ECONOMIC OUTLOOK CONFERENCE. 
          UM, I KNOW MAYBE, ACTUALLY I'M NOT SURE WE'VE HAD ENOUGH TURNOVER ON COUNCIL. 
          MAYBE NONE OF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN TO, UM, THE ECONOMIC OUTLOOK CONFERENCE YEARS AGO IN THE PAST. 
          I'VE BEEN YEARS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, IT WAS REALLY GOOD. 
          THEY HAD AN ECONOMIST THAT I HADN'T SEEN THERE BEFORE THAT HAD SOME REALLY GREAT POINTS AND THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS, UM, HE MADE REALLY CLEAR. 
          AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER A FEW HIGHLIGHTS, UH, BASED OFF OF THAT. 
          UM, AND PART OF WHY HE'S SAYING THAT HE DOESN'T SEE A RECESSION, UM, BEING SO IMMINENT. 
          SO, UM, HE SAID THERE'S STILL REALLY STRONG SPENDING ACROSS THE US IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT REALLY AREN'T LIKE THE ESSENTIALS, THE MORE RECREATIONAL TYPE THINGS. 
          SO, UH, RESTAURANT AND BARS ARE AT 38% HIGHER THAN PRE PANDEMIC, UM, ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          UM, NEVADA GAMING REVENUES ARE AT ALL TIME HIGH. 
          SO PEOPLE HAVE MONEY TO, TO SPEND, AND WHEN THEY HAVE, WHEN THEY STILL HAVE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO SPEND IN THAT MANNER, A RECESSION TYPICALLY IS, IS NOT, UM, KNOCKING AT THE DOOR. 
          UH, THEY DID HAVE GENERALLY INFORMATION ON TRAVEL, UM, WHERE WITH THE US VISITORS GOING ABROAD, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT NOW WITH WHERE THE PRE PANDEMIC TREND WAS HAPPENING. 
          UM, THE FOREIGN VISITORS COMING TO US IS, UM, SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED, BUT NOT QUITE AT THE PRE PANDEMIC LEVELS, UM, AS FAR AS GROWTH IN, IN REAL SPENDING. 
          SO THEY HAD, UM, A VARIETY OF CATEGORIES OF THE GROWTH, AND THESE WERE THE HIGH ONES ON THE LIST. 
          RECREATION GOODS AND VEHICLES HAD, UM, GROWTH WAS 67.5%, UM, FURNISHINGS AND APPLIANCES, ALMOST 20% CLOTHING FOOTWEAR 19%. 
          AND THEN SEVERAL OF THE CATEGORIES WERE LIKE AROUND 10%. 
          SHERRY, OVER WHAT TIME PERIOD ARE THOSE PERCENTAGE GROWTH RATES APPLICABLE, DO YOU KNOW, UM, FROM THE PRE PANDEMIC TO OKAY TO NOW. 
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UM, THEY HAD A CHART LOOKING AT WHAT THE DELINQUENCIES ARE ON THE LOANS. 
          AND SO IT WAS, UH, LIKE THIS BIG CURVE UP AND THEN, AND THEN COME DOWN AND THE COMING DOWN IS, UM, BELOW THE CHART STARTED I THINK LIKE AROUND 2003. 
          AND THIS IS LOWER THAN WHERE IT WAS AT THE LOW, UM, AT THAT POINT. 
          SO, UM, LOAN DELINQUENCIES ARE, ARE QUITE LOW AND ANOTHER INDICATOR ABOUT, UM, RECESSION NOT REALLY KNOCKING AT THE DOOR. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING TOO IS THEY WERE COMMENTING ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN THE SYSTEM, AND THIS IS PART OF HOW SOME OF THIS IS HAPPENING. 
          THEY SAY THE ACTUAL LOST GDP BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC WAS 1.2 TRILLION AND THEY PUT $6 TRILLION OF STIMULUS MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY SO FAR MORE THAN WHAT WAS ACTUALLY LOST. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS PARTICULAR ECONOMIST KEPT TALKING ABOUT WAS THE NARRATIVES THAT ARE HAPPENING OF, OF THEIR FINDING THE CERTAIN INSTANCES OF, OH, THIS IS LIKE SOMETHING NOT GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT INDICATIVE OF THE ECONOMY OVERALL, BUT PEOPLE HEAR THAT NEWS STORY AND THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND SO HE WAS BASICALLY TRYING TO DEBUNK A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE THINK ARE HAPPENING IN THE ECONOMY THAT AREN'T SURE FURTHER. 
          UH, SHERRY, I'M ALSO CURIOUS IN THAT GROWTH AND REAL SPENDING CATEGORIES, DID YOU, IS THERE A, UH, A RESTAURANT CATEGORY THAT THEY TALK ABOUT? AND THEN ALSO IS THERE LIKE A LUXURY GOODS ART CATEGORY THAT WOULD SORT OF GIVE US SOME INSIGHT TO SEDONA, OUR HOUSE SEDONAS DOING? I DON'T REMEMBER THOSE BEING BROKEN OUT ON THE CHART, BUT I CAN, I CAN TAKE A LOOK. 
          SO COUNSELOR, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL, LIKE THOSE NUMBERS, IF THAT'S REAL SPENDING, SO IF YOU TAKE OUT INFLATION LIKE THE WESTERN REGION, CPI, OVER THAT SAME PERIOD, THEN THERE IS NO GROWTH. 
          NOW THIS IS REAL SPENDING IN LIKE REAL DOLLARS NOT SO BACKING OUT THAT IMPACT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           NOT BACKING IT OUT. 
          BACKING IT OUT, BACKING IT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE ACTUALLY IS REAL GROWTH. 
          YES. 
          SO WHEN YOU, THIS IS JUST OPINING IN GENERAL. 
          SO WHEN WE HEAR THAT THERE'S, UM, A BLEAK LOOK ON THE ECONOMY, YET ALL OF THESE SIGNS POINT TO PRESUMABLY GREATER ECONOMIC DISPARITY BETWEEN HAVES AND HAVE NOTS BECAUSE THIS SHIRT POINTS TO A LOT OF GOOD TIMES FOR THE HAVES IN OUR ECONOMY, WHICH ARE GENERALLY WHO VISITS HERE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WHO LIVES HERE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          JUST OPINING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, AND THIS PARTICULAR ECONOMIST BASICALLY WAS SAYING THAT THE HOUSEHOLD FINANCES, CONSUMER DEMAND, THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW. 
          SO AS FAR AS HE'S CONCERNED, ECONOMIC INDICATORS ARE, UM, SOLID AND HE EXPECTS THE GROWTH TO CONTINUE, AT LEAST IN THE NEAR TERM. 
          SO ACCORDING TO THIS PARTICULAR ECONOMIST, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN A PRETTY DECENT SPOT AND HE'S TALKING FROM NATIONWIDE TOO. 
          UM, SO I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHART HERE ON, UM, THE CPI HISTORY FOR WESTERN REGION. 
          UM, SOME OF OUR CONTRACTS, LIKE THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CONTRACTS AND THINGS ARE BASED OFF OF ADJUSTMENTS ON THE DECEMBER CPI, UM, THE, UM, AMOUNT FOR NOVEMBER. 
          SO NOVEMBER CPI WESTERN REGION CPI JUST GOT RELEASED YESTERDAY. 
          IT REMAINED FLAT THE SAME AS OCTOBER AT THE 3.3. 
          SO, UM, SO I, I, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE NOVEMBER NUMBER ON THE CHART. 
          I'M GUESSING THAT DECEMBER WILL PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER, A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, A LITTLE BIT BELOW SOME, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. 
          SO, BUT WE WON'T HAVE THAT UNTIL, UM, MID, UM, JANUARY FOR THE LONG RANGE FORECAST. 
          SO HERE'S SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS, UM, THAT I HAD IN THERE. 
          SO I'M USING CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS, JUST, UM, TO BE CAUTIOUS, UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          AND, UM, EVEN BEING CONSERVATIVE IN NUMBERS, OUR NUMBERS STILL LOOK REALLY, REALLY GOOD. 
          SO, UH, FOR THE REMAINDER OF FISCAL YEAR 24, I PUT 2%, UM, INCREASE FOR OVER THE PRIOR YEAR FOR SALES TAX. 
          A 2% INCREASE, UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          AND THEN I PUT IN FISCAL YEAR 26 IS, IS WHEN MY ASSUMED, UH, RECESSIONARY PERIOD WOULD HAPPEN. 
          AND SO I DID MINUS 3%. 
          UM, MOST OF THE REMAINDER OF THE FORECAST IS AT 3% WITH THE MINUS 3% FOR RECESSIONARY. 
          AND, UM, WE USUALLY LIKE HAVE A LITTLE SURGE COMING OUT OF A RECESSION AND 
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PUT 6% COMING OUT OF, UH, RECESSIONARY PERIOD FOR BED TAX. 
          I DID 3% INCREASE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, 2% INCREASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, 5% DECREASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 FOR MY AS ASSUMED RECESSIONARY PERIOD. 
          UM, 3% FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FORECAST. 
          AND THEN, UM, FOR FUTURE RECESSIONARY PERIODS, 8%, UM, IN THE RECESSIONARY AND UM, 8% COMING OUT OF IT. 
          AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE 3% ON THE STATE SHARED REVENUES. 
          SO, UM, OUR STATE SHARED REVENUES ARE, UM, BASED OFF OF COMPARISON OF POPULATION WITH OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS. 
          SO WHEN THEY HAVE THE, THE POT OF MONEY FOR HOW MUCH THEY'RE SHARING OF STATE SALES TAX OR HOW MUCH THEY'RE SHARING OF STATE INCOME TAX, UM, THEY HAVE, THERE'S THE POT AND THEN WHATEVER THE POPULATION IS OF ALL THE VARIOUS CITIES AND TOWNS IS HOW, IS HOW IT'S SPLIT. 
          WELL, WHEN OUR POPULATION IS PRETTY MUCH FLAT, UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THEN, UM, AS OTHER CITIES ARE GROWING, OUR PORTION OF THE PIE IS DECREASING. 
          UM, SO THAT MEANS THE INCREASES THAT WE WOULD SEE WOULD BE BASED OFF OF THE PIE INCREASING, BUT THEN OUR SHARE OF THE PIE, UM, WOULD GO DOWN. 
          SO I'VE GOT, UM, ADJUSTMENTS FOR THAT. 
          UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, PROJECTIONS OF THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUNDS. 
          SO THIS IS PRIMARILY GAS TAX. 
          LET'S GET SHARED BY THE STATE OF THAT GOING DOWN, UH, BECAUSE OF, UM, LIKELY DECREASES IN FUEL USAGE AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE GO TO ELECTRIC AND HYBRID VEHICLES. 
          UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE LEAGUE HAS TRIED TO BRING UP WITH LEGISLATURE OF THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF SOLUTION ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN ROADS IN THE FUTURE. 
          IF THOSE REVENUES ARE GOING AWAY, WE NEED SOME OTHER REPLACEMENT REVENUE. 
          SO FAR THEY'RE NOT THAT INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT IT AT THE LEGISLATURE. 
          UM, VEHICLE LICENSE TAX DECREASES. 
          SO, UM, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT PART OF THAT IS JUST SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND THE LACK OF AVAILABILITY. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE CAR PRICES WENT DOWN. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S HARD TO GET A CAR . 
          SO, UH, CAPACITY FEES, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST IMPACTED WHEN WE HAVE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO, UM, ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT LARGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND WHEN THOSE MIGHT HAPPEN, UM, ARE INCLUDED IN THE FORECAST. 
          AND THEN ALL THE VARIOUS OTHER REVENUES, UM, ARE EITHER PROJECTED AT FLAT BECAUSE, UM, IT DEPENDS UPON WHETHER OR NOT WE INCREASE OUR, UM, FEES OR NOT, UM, OR SMALL INCREASES IN THOSE. 
          SO THAT'S ON THE REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS ON THE PERSONNEL COST. 
          SO I DO HAVE NUMBERS HERE FOR YOU ON, UM, THE STAFF TURNOVER. 
          SO, UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 21 WE WERE AT 11%, 22. 
          UM, WE, WE ENDED UP AT 22% THAT YEAR. 
          IT'S KIND OF WEIRD HOW THE NUMBERS HAPPEN THAT WAY. 
          23, WE WERE AT 23% , UM, FISCAL YEAR 24 SO FAR TO DATE. 
          SO WE'RE ALMOST HALFWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, 10% SO FAR. 
          SO IF WE CONTINUE THAT TREND, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE AROUND 20%, UM, FOR THIS YEAR. 
          SO HOPEFULLY NOT, BUT SHERRY, BUT THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS AROUND US. 
          E EVERYONE'S DEALING WITH THIS WELL, RIGHT? YES. 
          SO IT'S NOT, SO WE'RE NOT UNIQUE ABOUT THAT 'CAUSE IT DOUBLE DIGITS IS, IS A CONCERN, BUT IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER AND I'M AWARE OF THE REASONS, BUT, UH, IT IS ALL AROUND. 
          YES, YES, IT, IT IS. 
          AND UM, AT ONE POINT WE HAD DONE SOME COMPARISON TO, UM, WHAT AA SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, VERDE VALLEY ENTITIES EXPERIENCING, AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A RANGE, BUT EVERYONE'S HAVING SOME LEVEL OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE ASSUMPTIONS IN THE LONG RANGE FORECAST, SO, UH, NO NEW POSITIONS COMPARED TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE BUDGET IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET. 
          UM, SO NO NEW POSITIONS ARE INCLUDED. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, SCENARIOS THAT WE CAN PLAY WITH IN THE LONG RANGE FORECAST MODEL THAT WE'LL GET TO. 
          UM, IT ASSUMES AN OVERALL AVERAGE ADJUSTMENT OF 5% FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, AND THEN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FORECAST, AN AVERAGE OF THREE AND A HALF, UM, INCREASES EXCEPT IN RECESSIONARY PERIODS WHEN WE HIT A RECESSION, WE TEND TO, UM, FREEZE, UM, WHERE WAGES ARE. 
          SO, UH, THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION THAT WAS PUT IN FOR EMPLOYEE BENEFITS. 
          UM, SO, UM, SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF CHANGES THAT A SRS HAS MADE IN THEIR ASSUMPTIONS, THAT ACTUALLY INCREASES WHAT THE LIABILITY IS. 
          UM, SO THEIR CHANGING FROM THEIR DISCOUNT RATE INVESTMENT RATE OF 7.5 
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TO 7% PHASE IN OVER FIVE YEARS. 
          SO, UM, THOSE IMPACTS ARE INCLUDED. 
          UM, I'VE ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE WITH THE P-S-P-R-S LEVEL FUNDING, UM, AMOUNT AT THE 1.1 MILLION PER YEAR. 
          UM, I DID NOT INCLUDE PROJECTIONS OF FUTURE ONE-TIME, UH, P-S-P-R-S CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE LONG RANGE FORECAST. 
          IN THE BASE MODEL I DO HAVE FOR THE SCENARIO OPTIONS, UM, IN THERE. 
          SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, WE HAD, UM, DONE A ONE-TIME, ADDITIONAL 1 MILLION CONTRIBUTION. 
          AND FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, WE DID AN ADDITIONAL 1.2 MILLION CONTRIBUTION. 
          UM, SOMETIME SOON, USUALLY THIS MONTH WE WOULD GET OUR NEXT LATEST REPORT FROM P-S-P-R-S. 
          UM, SO THE MOST RECENT NUMBER I HAVE IS THE FISCAL YEAR 22 ENDING NUMBER OF 5.5 MILLION FOR THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE WHAT, WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE ON THOSE ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTIONS WERE YET. 
          AND WHEN WE GET THAT REPORT, IT'LL BE AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2023 AND IT'S ONLY GONNA HAVE THAT, THAT 1 MILLION ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION IN THAT NUMBER SO FAR. 
          SO IT SHOULD GO DOWN, RIGHT? THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY SHOULD GO DOWN , WE, WE HOPE SO. 
           HARD TO SAY. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY WERE MAKING A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES IN ASSUMPTIONS, SO WE SHOULDN'T BE IMPACTED BY THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT'LL ALSO BE, UM, DEPENDENT ON HOW THEIR INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO PERFORMED. 
          FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE, WE ASSUMED INCREASES OF 6% EACH YEAR FOR OTHER OPERATING COST ASSUMPTIONS. 
          SO FOR THE STREET REHAB PRESERVATION COSTS, WE ASSUMED 3%, UM, PER YEAR. 
          OUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS ARE BASED OFF OF THE PAYMENT SCHEDULES, UM, OF THE DEBT THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE COMMUNITY SERVICE CONTRACTS. 
          SO I I JUST PUT IN THREE POINT A HALF PERCENT IS THE ASSUMPTION FOR THE INCREASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          IT WILL BE BASED OFF OF WHAT THE DECEMBER, UM, THIS DECEMBER. 
          SO WE WON'T KNOW TILL JANUARY WHAT THAT RATE ACTUALLY IS. 
          AND THEN AVERAGING TWO AND A HALF, UM, FOR THE REMAINING YEARS, THE, UM, JUST GENERAL INFLATIONARY ASSUMPTIONS ON A LOT OF THE EXPENDITURE CATEGORIES USED 2%, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 AND 2% FOR, UM, NON-RES RECESSIONARY YEARS, 0% IN THE, IN THE RECESSIONARY YEARS FOR THE SHERRY, YOU'VE BEEN CONSERVATIVE ON ALL OF THIS SO FAR, LIKE EVEN BED TAX FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, GIVEN THAT IT'S UP 9% SO FAR, BUT YOU'RE USING 3% FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, ET CETERA. 
          I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED ON THE GENERAL INFLATIONARY ASSUMPTION THAT YOU'RE GOING WITH A LOWER RATE OF 2% AS OPPOSED TO THREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, GIVEN WHAT THE MORE, UH, RECENT EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN OR IS THAT SUCH A SMALL CATEGORY THAT IT'S GETTING APPLIED TO THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER ANYWAYS. 
          YEAH, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THAT MUCH WITHIN THE FORECAST. 
          AND WHEN I'M PUTTING THAT IN AND APPLYING IT OVER A LONG TERM OF YEARS, I I'M ASSUMING LIKE IT'S ALL GONNA BALANCE OUT IN THE END, UM, FOR THE TRANSIT SYSTEM IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO I ONLY DID, UH, PART OF A YEAR ON OPERATING COSTS FOR MICRO TRANSIT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, REALLY NOT SHOWING A FULL YEAR'S WORTH OF MICRO TRANSIT COSTS UNTIL FISCAL YEAR 26. 
          SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL TRANSIT SYSTEM BUILD OUT, THAT REALLY CAN'T HAPPEN UNTIL WE HAVE THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION FACILITY IN PLACE. 
          SO I'VE GOT BASED OFF OF WHEN THAT WOULD BE DONE BEFORE, WE WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, BE ABLE TO, TO BUILD OUT FURTHER ON THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION SYSTEM. 
          SORRY, JUST JUMPING IN. 
          WE, WE JUST HEARD FROM ROBERT LAST NIGHT, A JUNE YEAH. 
          LAUNCH. 
          SO WHY WOULDN'T WE BE FULL YEAR FISCAL 25 WHEN I TALKED TO HIM? I KNOW HE SAID THAT LAST NIGHT. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          BUT WHEN I TALKED TO HIM TO PREPARE THIS, HE WAS SAYING IT WAS GONNA BE LATER. 
          SO WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID WAS, HE WOULD BE VERY, VERY SURPRISED. 
          HE HOPED HE COULD DO IT BY JUNE, BUT I HEARD A CERTAIN DISBELIEF IN HIS ABIL IN HIS OWN THOUGHT THAT IT'LL ACTUALLY HAPPEN BY JUNE. 
          THAT'S JUST WHY I HEARD VEHICLES GOING INTO PRODUCTION LATE JANUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY, FIVE WEEK BUILD. 
          MM-HMM. 
           HAS TO MOVE TO PHOENIX, GET UPFITTED TESTING, TESTING LIKE JUNE. 
          JUNE. 
          SURE. 
          SEEMED THAT SEEMED SLOW  AT THAT POINT. 
          SO JUST SAYING WE HAVE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS 
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OF HEARING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, RE REGARDLESS IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE RESULTS OF THE FORECAST SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, UM, SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS, SO IT'S MOSTLY BASED OFF OF THE 10 YEAR CIP PLAN THAT WE HAD CREATED DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET PROCESS. 
          UM, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED AT DIFFERENT POINTS IN TIME AREN'T INCLUDED IN THEIR AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, UH, RESTROOM, AT HITCHING POST NED HILL, ROUNDABOUT EXPANSION, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD VEHICLES, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF THE CULTURAL PARK. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE PLAN AND ALL OF THAT COMPLETED AND ALL THAT. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE FURTHER OUT BEFORE WE REALLY KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE. 
          UM, AND NOTHING REALLY ON THE, THE RADAR JUST YET THAT I HAD FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS. 
          UM, THERE ARE SCENARIOS IN THE LONG RANGE FORECAST MODEL THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL CIP COSTS GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, ALSO BUILT INTO THE MODEL. 
          SO THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTS OTHER, OTHER FUNDS, UM, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A HALF MILLION TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND FOR A WHILE. 
          AND SO THAT IS BUILT IN THERE. 
          UH, THE STREETS FUND, SO THE AMOUNTS NOT COVERED BY THE GAS TAX DOLLARS. 
          THE HERF MONEY, UM, IS INCLUDED AND THAT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM A MILLION AND A HALF TO 1.9 MILLION PER YEAR FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND, UH, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF COST IN THERE FOR, UH, SOME OF THE SIM PROJECTS AND, UM, THE TRANSIT PROJECTS. 
          SO THE, UM, SHORT TERM SHORTAGE WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME FOR THE TRANSPORTATION, UM, SALES TAX FUND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COVERED BY CAPITAL RESERVES WOULD BE 3.1. 
          HOWEVER, WE SEE THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS DON'T ALWAYS FALL IN LINE WITH THE WAY THAT THEY WERE PROJECTED ON THE SCHEDULE. 
          SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF ACTUALLY NEEDING TO DO THAT WITH THE DELAYS WITH PROJECTS, THIS MAY NOT EVEN OCCUR, BUT I, BUT IF IT DOES OCCUR THAT WAY, I WILL BE SHOWING YOU THAT WE WE'RE COVERED. 
          UM, THE CIP FUND, SO ANNUALLY WE TRANSFER TWO AND A HALF MILLION, UM, TO THE CIP FUND EACH YEAR AND OVER THE SIX YEARS, ADDITIONAL 5.1 MILLION, IF THE PROJECTS PROCEED THE WAY THAT THEY ARE LAID OUT, UM, WOULD NEED TO, TO BE ADDED TO COVER THOSE COSTS FOR THE WASTEWATER FUND. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, REALLY JUST A COUPLE MORE YEARS OF THAT, UM, SUBSIDY. 
          SO THE REMAINING THE LAST YEAR'S, UM, FISCAL YEAR 26, AND UM, SO THAT'S 5.9 MILLION REMAINING. 
          THAT IS, UM, BY COUNCIL ORDINANCE, HOW MUCH WE WILL BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE WASTEWATER FUND. 
          AND THEN WE WILL FINALLY BE WEANED OFF THAT SUBSIDY AND THE WASTEWATER FUND NEEDS TO BE SELF-SUPPORTING. 
          UM, FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, SHERRY, WHEN WILL THAT, WHEN WILL WE HAVE A GREATER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOVING FORWARD PLAN ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA SUBSIDIZE THAT WITH RATES AND WHAT HAVE YOU? ARE WE GONNA HAVE ANY KIND OF A RATE? YES, WE NEED, WE NEED TO HAVE IT SOON. 
          AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THAT IN A LONG RANGE FORECAST MODEL. 
          AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST RETREAT, THAT, THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SOON. 
          WELL, RIGHT. 
          AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT SOON IS I, IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WOULD BE TOUGH TO HAVE, BUT YEAH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN. 
          YEAH, SO, UM, IT'S ON MY RADAR THAT AS SOON AS WE GET THROUGH, UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE ON MY PLATE RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE NEEDS TO BE MOVING VERY, VERY SOON. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, AS FAR AS LOANS, UM, SO THE BALANCE SHEET LOANS THAT WE HAVE, UM, REFLECTED WITHIN THE LONG RANGE FORECAST, SO THERE'S THE LOAN FOR SUNSET LOFTS, UM, WHICH THE AGREEMENT IS THAT, UM, WE WOULD LOAN UP TO 4.2 MILLION. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO INCREASE, MAYBE NOT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO LAND, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE AGREEMENT SAYS RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S IN, IN, UM, THE LONG RANGE FORECAST. 
          THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM COUNCIL HAD APPROVED UP TO 400,000 AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, WE HAVE NOT USED VERY MUCH OF THAT. 
          UM, WE, WE'VE USED SOME, BUT THERE'S STILL QUITE A BIT LEFT, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE COMING BACK FOR A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY TO PUT IN THAT POT RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, BUT THERE WAS THE SET ASIDE OF THE $12 MILLION DURING THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, 24 BUDGET PROCESS FOR ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOANS. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, I THINK THERE WAS ONE APPROVED JUST LAST NIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
           IT WAS. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE FUNDS, 
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THAT FEE STRUCTURE IS BASED OFF OF COLLECTING FEES OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD, BUT A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS ARE FRONT LOADED, SO THE EXPENDITURES ARE HAPPENING BEFORE SOME OF THOSE, UH, REVENUES COME IN. 
          AND, UM, SO TO COVER THE CASH FLOW SHORTAGE, UM, BASED OFF OF THE WAY THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE 10 YEAR PLAN IS LAID OUT RIGHT NOW, IF THINGS REALLY PROGRESS IN THE WAY THAT IT SAYS, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO LOAN 2.6 MILLION. 
          SO THAT'S BUILT IN. 
          UM, AND THE WAY THAT, UM, THINGS HAVE KIND OF CHANGED IN THE NUMBERS 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA NEED TO LOAN MORE TO THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES FUND. 
          SO I'M DOWN TO, WE'RE PROBABLY ONLY GONNA HAVE TO LOAN LIKE MAYBE 11,000, UM, WHICH WOULD THEN BASICALLY BE REPAID BY THE FUND VERY, VERY QUICKLY AFTER THAT. 
          UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL SEE MAYBE, UM, OUR OWN INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO WILL BRING IN ENOUGH MONEY THAT MAYBE WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO LOAN ANYTHING, SO WE SHALL SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          GENERAL FUND SURPLUSES. 
          SO HERE'S A HISTORY ON HOW MUCH THE SURPLUSES ARE. 
          UM, WE WERE ANYWHERE FROM 1 MILLION TO, WE HAD GOTTEN UP TO LIKE 3.5 MILLION IN 2020. 
          IT REALLY IS A RECENT THING WITH THE, THE SURGE THAT WE HAD IN THE TOURISM WITH, UM, COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC THAT WE'VE HAD SUCH SIGNIFICANT, UM, SURPLUSES. 
          SO, UM, FISCAL YEAR 23, IT ENDED UP BEING 10.8 MILLION AND THAT WAS EVEN WITH THE DROP IN SALES AND BED TAX REVENUE, UM, THAT, UM, WAS ALSO LESS THAN, 'CAUSE WE HAD BUDGETED THINKING THAT THE TREND WAS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP. 
          THE TREND HAD GO UP AND ACTUALLY WENT DOWN. 
          SO THERE WAS MORE OF A SPREAD IN WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED, BUT WE STILL ENDED UP WITH A $10.8 MILLION SURPLUS. 
          SO, UM, IT, WE WERE STILL IN A REALLY GOOD SPOT. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW, MY ESTIMATE ON WHERE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 24, BASED OFF OF THE TREND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE SALES OF BED TAX REVENUE, UH, I'M GUESSING MAYBE AROUND 5.8 MILLION, POSSIBLY EVEN MORE. 
          'CAUSE I AM BEING A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE ON MY ESTIMATES FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, SO WITH MY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES, I'M SAYING THAT WE'LL BE OVER IN SALES AND BED TAX BY ABOUT $3 MILLION AND IF IT CONTINUES AT THE STRONGER RATE, IT'LL BE MORE THAN THAT. 
          UM, SO, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE SURPLUS, UM, SO SURPLUS IS OVER AND ABOVE HOW MUCH ALL OF OUR VARIOUS POLICY RESERVES ARE. 
          SO THAT ENDING BALANCE WE HAVE FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WE SAY WE'RE GONNA SET ASIDE IN AN OPERATING RESERVE, 30% OF OPERATING EXPENDITURES IN THAT RESERVE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A VARIETY OF OTHER RESERVE AMOUNTS THAT, THAT WE SET UP. 
          AND THIS IS THE EXCESS OVER, UH, WHAT THOSE RESERVE NUMBERS ARE. 
          AND I HAVE THERE, UM, BASED OFF OF THE COUNCIL ADOPTED POLICY, THE MANNER IN WHICH WE CAN USE, UH, THOSE SURPLUSES SO WE CAN USE IT TO ELIMINATE SHORTFALLS IN OTHER FUNDS LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE FUNDS THAT SHORTFALL, UM, REDUCTION OR AVOIDANCE OF DEBT, ONE-TIME CAPITAL NEEDS, OR SIMPLY FOR, UM, UM, RATE STABILIZATION. 
          OKAY, SHERRY? YES, THE FUNDS THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE SPECIFIC FUNDS LIKE THE HOUSING FUND, THE $12 MILLION, IF THAT DOESN'T GET USED IN FY 24, DOES IT STAY IN THAT FUND OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE REALLOCATED FOR FY 25? IT STAYS IN THE HOUSING FUND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE LONG RANGE FORECAST, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT, UM, THE, HOW WE WOULD USE THE DELL'S LAND AND ANY COSTS THAT MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF 4 0 1 JORDAN ROAD. 
          THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LONG RANGE FORECAST FOR THAT AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS NOT ALREADY IN THE BUDGET ARE ARE NOT INCLUDED. 
          WE HAVE THE BALANCE AVAILABLE FOR LOANING OUT, UM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IF THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S COSTS INCURRED TO THE CITY. 
          UM, SO IF COUNCIL WANTED TO USE SOME OF THAT 12 MILLION TOWARDS THOSE, WE COULD DO THAT. 
          BUT IF YOU WANNA PRESERVE IT FOR LOANS, THEN UM, ADDITIONAL PROJECTS ARE NOT INCLUDED. 
          UM, ANY PROJECTS THAT SUSTAINABILITY HAS IN MIND THAT AREN'T ALREADY ON, UM, THE RADAR AND PART OF THE BUDGET ARE NOT INCLUDED. 
          UM, THERE WAS TALK AT ONE POINT ABOUT A HEALTHCARE GAP ANALYSIS. 
          THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE FOR THAT. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT SHOULD WE DO FIXED ROUTES? SHOULD WE DO ALL MICRO TRANSIT? UM, SO THIS IS BASED OFF OF WHAT WAS PART OF THAT STUDY THAT WAS DONE ORIGINALLY, WHICH DID PROPOSE FIXED FIXED ROUTES. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WHAT'S BASED ON. 
          UM, AND THEN 
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WE, THE A SRS, SO THERE'S THE P-S-P-R-S, WHICH IS THE, UM, SWORN OFFICERS, AND THEN ALL THE OTHER EMPLOYEES ARE IN THE A SRS, THE ARIZONA STATE RETIREMENT SYSTEM. 
          AND SO WE ARE REQUIRED IN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS A COST SHARING PLAN, WHERE THEY DON'T IDENTIFY COST SPECIFICALLY TO EACH ENTITY WITHIN THE PLAN. 
          THEY DO MAKE ESTIMATIONS FOR OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR US TO RECORD AN ESTIMATED LIABILITY. 
          AND SO AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2022, UM, WHICH IS THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, THEY WON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE NEXT INFORMATION OUT UNTIL I THINK USUALLY LIKE FEBRUARY OR MARCH BEFORE THEY GET THEIR NUMBERS OUT. 
          UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, 10.6 MILLION IS THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE OF THE SHARE OF THAT, UM, LIABILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA GO JUMP OVER TO THE LONG RANGE FORECAST MODEL UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HERE IS BASELINE FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND THE UM, BLACK LINE IS ESTIMATION OF REVENUES. 
          THE DOTTED RED LINE IS THE ESTIMATION OF EXPENDITURES AND ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT FOR THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTS ALL THOSE OTHER FUNDS THAT I HAD TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO THOSE TRANSFERS TO THOSE OTHER FUNDS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT RED LINE. 
          THE, UM, DOTTED BLACK LINE IS WHAT OUR RESERVE, UH, REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          AND THEN THE BLACK BAR IS HOW MUCH THE FUND BALANCE ENDING FUND BALANCE ACTUALLY IS. 
          SO BASICALLY FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 ESTIMATES, SO I'M SAYING HERE'S WHERE OUR RESERVE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE AND WHERE THIS MUCH ABOVE WHERE THAT, UM, AS FAR AS MY ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE ENDING FUND BALANCE WOULD BE. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY GROWING IN MY CONSERVATIVE FORECAST. 
          UM, IF, UM, WE SWITCH TO A MORE CONSERVATIVE, UM, MORE SEVERE RECESSION HAPPENING, WE'RE STILL ABOVE WHERE OUR RESERVE REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          UM, SO ALL OF THAT LOOKS GOOD. 
          UM, I HAVE, UM, IF OUR, OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE, I'VE GOT BUILT IN HERE. 
          UM, SO STARTING WITH, UM, WHAT IF THEY ARE EACH YEAR 10% MORE AND THEN 10% MORE AND THEN 10% MORE, WHAT WHAT DOES THAT DO? AND SO WE'RE STILL IN A GOOD PLACE IF I GO TO SAY IF THEY'RE 20% MORE YEAR OVER YEAR OVER YEAR, WE'RE ACTUALLY STILL IN A GOOD PLACE. 
          IF I JUST HAVE THAT ITEM TURNED ON, I'M GONNA GO WITH 10%. 
          UM, FOR OUR PLAYING AROUND, I CAN CHANGE THINGS TO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT, WANT TO PLAY AROUND WITH. 
          UM, UH, I, I BASICALLY LEFT THIS FROM THE LAST TIME OF, UM, WHAT WE HAVE BUILT IN IS JUST A GUESS AT, UM, ACQUIRING THE, UH, PROPERTY ON BREWER ROAD FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF $8 MILLION. 
          BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, WILL PRICES HAVE INFLATED SO MUCH THAT IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SO, UM, IN HERE I'VE JUST THROWN IN AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT, DIDN'T REALLY IMPACT THINGS ALL THAT MUCH. 
          UM, TURN THAT BACK OFF. 
          IF, UM, NEW CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS, UM, OF, SAY IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING NEW, 2 MILLION, UM, EACH YEAR, WHETHER IT'S CULTURAL PARK OR UH, ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO WE CAN SEE THINGS LOOK FINE THERE. 
          UM, IF I PUT IN, UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, SAY AN ADDITIONAL ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTION OF ONE AND A HALF MILLION FOR P-S-P-R-S, THINGS STILL LOOK GOOD THERE. 
          UM, EACH YEAR WE COME WITH, UM, DECISION PACKAGES TO IMPLEMENT THE VARIOUS PRIORITIES. 
          UM, SOMETIMES THOSE ARE ONGOING COSTS, SOMETIMES THOSE ARE ONE TIME COST DEPENDING UPON THE PRIORITY AND WHAT THAT IS. 
          SO, UM, I CAN PLAY AROUND WITH THESE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW. 
          WHAT I HAVE IN IS ONE TIME DECISION PACKAGES OF HALF A MILLION A YEAR. 
          AND SO THAT LOOKS OKAY. 
          AND THEN IF I GO TO, UM, ONGOING DECISION PACKAGES OF HALF A MILLION A YEAR, SO THOSE BUILD ON EACH OTHER. 
          UM, SO THAT LOOKS OKAY. 
          SO REALLY WE'RE IN A PRETTY DECENT SPOT, 
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UH, WITH WHERE I HAVE, UM, THE ESTIMATION OF THE NUMBERS, IF YOU WANTED TO SEE, SAY, UM, LIKE WHAT IF OUR, UH, ONE-TIME DECISION PACKAGES WERE MORE LIKE A MILLION A YEAR, WE'RE STILL OKAY IF I GO BACK AND TURN ON THE MORE SEVERE RECESSION WITH ALL THESE THINGS ON, THEN WE START LOOKING AT, OKAY, WE'RE FALLING BELOW WHAT OUR MINIMUM RESERVES WOULD BE. 
          UM, BUT IF WE ENDED UP IN A MORE SEVERE RECESSION, A LOT OF THESE THINGS WOULD, WE WOULD DELAY THEM. 
          SO WE ARE IN A GOOD SPOT TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE OUR FINANCES, UM, FROM THE, FROM THE GENERAL FUND PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS IMPACTED BASED OFF OF SO MANY OF THE OTHER FUNDS AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THEM BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTS THEM. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THE GENERAL FUND? SO THE ONE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE CONCERNING IS GONNA BE THE WASTEWATER FUND. 
          SO BASED OFF OF BASELINE PROJECTIONS, UM, WE ARE SHOWING THAT FOR THIS YEAR WE'LL BE ABOVE WHAT OUR MINIMUM RESERVE REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, WE'RE GONNA START DROPPING DOWN. 
          THE ONE THING THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY REAL ANSWER TO YET IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH ADDITIONAL RECHARGE WELLS. 
          AND SO IF THIS KIND OF GIVES, UM, LIKE THE ABILITY TO SEE WHAT IF THE RECHARGE WELLS JUST WEREN'T IN THERE AT ALL  AND THINGS LOOK A LOT BETTER, UM, IF WE DO STILL DO THE RECHARGE WELLS, WHAT I'M GONNA BE SAYING IS WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ISSUE DEBT FOR IT. 
          SO IF WE HAD DEBT PAYMENTS, WE STILL ARE GOING TO RUN INTO A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE. 
          UM, IF, LET ME PUT THIS BACK AT 10%, UM, FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS. 
          UM, SO IF THE WASTEWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE, WE WILL RUN INTO SOME ISSUE. 
          UM, IF I TAKE THAT BACK OUT, EVEN IF IT WAS LIKE THE WELLS WEREN'T THERE BUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS INCREASE, WE ARE GOING TO END UP WITH AN ISSUE. 
          AND I HAVE BUILT IN. 
          SO STARTING WITH 1%, 1% DOESN'T REALLY BUY US OUT OF THE WHOLE MUCH AT ALL. 
          UM, EVEN IF I SAY, OKAY, WHAT IF IT'S ANNUAL INCREASES A 3% THAT DOESN'T REALLY DO IT 5%, LIKE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A FAIR AMOUNT. 
          UM, IF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS REALLY DO, UM, INCREASE EVEN 10% YEAR OVER YEAR THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START, START INCREASING THESE RATES TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH IT. 
          MM-HMM,  OR THE OTHER OPTION IS SOME OF THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS, UM, BE DEBT FINANCED. 
          SO THE, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE IN THE CAMP OF THEY JUST ALWAYS WANT TO CASH FUND EVERYTHING AND NOT CARRY ANY DEBT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE PHILOSOPHY. 
          UH, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE USERS OF THE SYSTEM ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE PAYING FOR IT AND THE USERS OF THE SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ARE PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND SO GENERALLY, UM, WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY IS THAT YOU SHOULD BE ISSUING DEBT SO THAT THE FUTURE USERS ARE PAYING FOR THAT DEBT SERVICE ON THE BUILDING OF THAT SYSTEM TO BE, TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT INSTEAD OF THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T MAYBE NOT AROUND AND AND STILL USING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I GET THAT SHERRY, BUT LIKE BUILDING ADDITIONAL RECHARGE WELLS IS OPTIONAL AS I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? I MEAN WE COULD CONTINUE TO SPRAY WATER ALL OVER THE DELLS IF WE WANT IT, RIGHT? IT WAS, OH, IT WAS GONNA BE PRETTY COSTLY BECAUSE OF THE REPAIRS. 
          THE BASICALLY WE NEED TO REPLACE THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. 
          YEAH, BUT THAT'S, AND IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE TWO TO $3 MILLION JUST TO DO THAT. 
          RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE TALKING 15 TO DO RECHARGE. 
          WELL, SO THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. 
          IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. 
          AND I MEAN I THINK THE, THE MAJOR DECISION POINT ON THAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF HAVING THE DELL'S LAND CONTINUE TO BE USED THAT WAY. 
          NOW IF THE, FROM THE POLICY PERSPECTIVE, IF THE COMMUNITY'S DESIRE IS TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT OPEN SPACE, UM, THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO IRRIGATE ON IT. 
          IF THERE IS A DESIRE FOR SOME KIND OF OTHER EITHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT USE OR COMMUNITY FACILITIES OF SOME SORT, UM, LEASED LAND FOR REVENUE GENERATION, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON US NOT IRRIGATING INTO THE FUTURE. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME POLICY CONVERSATIONS THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE WE DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH WELLS OR, OR WHEN WE 
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MIGHT DO THAT. 
          SURE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, KAREN. 
          AND IT, BUT IT COMES BACK TO SORT OF THE, THE PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION OF LIKE THE, OUR DEPENDS ON WHAT MIGHT BE THE USE FOR THE DELLS OF WHETHER YOU REALLY WOULD CONSIDER, UM, TAKING DEBT TO CHARGE FUTURE USERS WHEN YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY PIN THAT EXPENDITURE ON FUTURE USERS. 
          IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU DO WITH THE DELL. 
          SO BIG DEEP QUESTION FOR ANOTHER TIME. 
          I GET IT. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY DEEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING YOU WANT ME TO ADJUST IN THE SCENARIOS? YOU WANNA SEE IT IN A DIFFERENT MANNER? NOPE, YOU CAN MOVE ALONG. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HAD. 
          SHERRY, I HAVE A QUESTION ON WASTEWATER. 
          YES. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THE GENERAL FUND IS PAYING FOR THE DEBT SERVICE. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN WEANING OFF OVER THE YEARS, SO IT'S NOT PAYING THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR YEAR, BUT WE HAVE PUT INTO THE WASTEWATER FUND FAR MORE THAN WHAT THE TOTAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS HAVE BEEN ANYWAY. 
          IF WE WERE TO, IF WE NEEDED TO BUILD MORE THAN OUR REVENUES  ALLOWED US TO DO AND WE HAD TO DO DEBT SERVICE AS AN EXAMPLE, WOULD WASTEWATER BE PAYING FOR THAT COMPLETELY OR WOULD GENERAL FUNDS STILL NEED TO SUBSIDIZE IT? UM, SO THE PLAN WAS THAT WE WERE WEANING OFF BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SELF-SUPPORTING, RIGHT? AND SO THIS WAS THE PLAN TO GET WEANED OFF INSTEAD OF JUST CUTTING IT OFF COLD TURKEY. 
          AND, UM, SO THE, THE INTENTION HAS BEEN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO NOW SETTING UP A NEW SUBSIDY THAT WE REMAIN SELF-SUPPORTING GOING FORWARD. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, WHEN, HOW LONG DOES THE CURRENT IRRIGATION IRRIGATION SYSTEM, HOW LONG IS IT GONNA BE FUNCTIONAL AND NOT HAVE TO BE REPLACED? WHAT'S THAT TIMEFRAME? IT'S REPLACED NOW. 
          WHAT IT'S DAMAGING NOW, ISN'T IT? I I HEARD THAT. 
          I I KNOW. 
          I'M JUST ASKING FOR WHEN THIS DECISION HAS TO BE MADE AS TO WHETHER WE REPLACE THE SYSTEM OR MOVE TO THE WELLS. 
          WE'RE LIMPING ALONG RIGHT NOW WITH REPAIRS RIGHT HERE AND THERE. 
          UM, THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH ROXANNE, SHE WAS ESTIMATING THAT WE COULD DO THAT FOR SEVERAL MORE YEARS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE WOULD, BUT ULTIMATELY WITHIN THE NEXT, I'D SAY 36 MONTHS OR SO, WE'D NEED TO BE MAKING A DECISION ABOUT DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A COMPLETE SORT OF REBUILD OF THAT SYSTEM OR MOVE FORWARD WITH IRRIGATION? WELL THAT, WELL THAT PUTS QUITE A . 
          YOU'RE ALL GONNA BE HERE . 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ALONG. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          36. 
          CAN YOU SEND US THIS POWERPOINT? YES, THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          WE'RE GONNA TAKE FIVE. 
          THAT'S OKAY WITH THE COUNSEL. 
          YEAH. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS JOE. 
          OKAY, LET'S, UH, CONTINUE ON WITH THE, UM, UH, REQUEST FOR MIDYEAR RANGE ADJUSTMENT FOR CITY STAFF. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A, A REQUEST FOR COUNCIL'S AUTHORIZATION TO DO A 2.5% MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENT, EFFECTIVE THE FIRST PAY PERIOD IN JANUARY FOR ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD EXCLUDE THE CONTRACT EMPLOYEES, BUT IT WOULD BE, UM, THE REST OF OUR STAFF. 
          THE, THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS, IT'S KIND OF MULTI-FOLD. 
          I'VE EXPLAINED A LOT OF THAT IN THE PACKET. 
          UM, THE INITIAL IMPETUS HAS SORT OF COME OUT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE ATTEMPT TO RECRUIT FOR NEW POSITIONS. 
          SO WE ARE SEEING THE, THE FINALISTS FOR NEW POSITIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FILL COMING IN WITH WAGE REQUESTS THAT ARE REALLY KIND OF PUSHING THE ENVELOPE FOR US. 
          WE TRY TO BE MINDFUL OF INTERNAL EQUITY WHEN WE MAKE JOB OFFERS AND SOMETIMES WE LOSE CANDIDATES BECAUSE WE CAN'T PAY THEM WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, WHAT THEY THINK THEY NEED IN ORDER TO EITHER MAKE A MOVE OR COME TO, TO OUR AREA IN LIGHT OF THE HOUSING AND COST OF LIVING ISSUES. 
          BUT WE ARE HAVING TO COME IN AT HIGHER SALARIES TO FILL SOME OF THESE CRITICAL POSITIONS AND THAT GIVES NEW EMPLOYEES THE OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE THAT COMING IN. 
          BUT OUR EXISTING EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, WHILE THEY COULD DO THAT WITH ANOTHER EMPLOYER, 
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UM, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT HERE AND THEY'RE IN AS A RESULT FALLING FURTHER BEHIND. 
          SO WHEN WE DID OUR WAGE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR, SO ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE STARTING THE BUDGET PROCESS AT THE END OF CALENDAR YEAR 2022 AND THE BEGINNING OF CALENDAR YEAR 2023, WE WERE SEEING REVENUES DECLINE. 
          SO OUR SORT OF OVER TOURISM PERIOD HAD SLOWED. 
          AND AS A RESULT OF SEEING SEVERAL CONSECUTIVE MONTHS OF REDUCED REVENUES, WE FORECASTED FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, I THINK WE FORECASTED A 3% THAT, UM, SALES TAX WOULD BE DOWN 3%, BED TAX WOULD BE DOWN 5% UNDER FISCAL YEAR 2023 FIGURES. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATIVE WAY WE APPROACH BUDGET, NOT ONLY DID WE FORECAST THE, THE LOWER REVENUES FOR THIS YEAR, BUT WE WERE ALSO MINDFUL OF WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO WITH WAGE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD ADJUST FOR COST OF LIVING BASED ON THE DECEMBER OF THE PRIOR YEAR CONSUMER PRICE INDEX FOR WESTERN REGION. 
          THAT NUMBER FOR 2021 WAS 7.1%. 
          WE CAPPED WAGES, UH, THE WAGE ADJUSTMENTS AT 5% IN FISCAL YEAR 20 OR CALENDAR YEAR 2022. 
          THAT NUMBER WAS 6.2%. 
          WE ALSO CAPPED WAGES FOR THE COMING JULY AT 5%. 
          SO WE WERE FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS, NOT ONLY NOT KEEPING UP WITH INFLATION, BUT WE, WE WERE ALSO THEN THAT IF WE APPLIED THOSE INFLATIONARY ESCALATORS, THAT WOULD NOT BE, UM, CONSIDERATION OF ANY MERIT PORTION OF THAT. 
          THAT WOULD JUST BE THE INFLATIONARY ESCALATOR. 
          IN FISCAL YEAR 2023 OR FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023, WE DID DO A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE MARKET WAGE ASSESSMENT AND WE DID SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS TO POSITIONS. 
          SO ALTHOUGH THE OVERALL, UM, WAGE SCALES ONLY MOVED BY 5%, WE DID WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE THE SPECIFIC ADJUSTMENTS TO SPECIFIC POSITIONS AND WHERE EMPLOYEES WERE IN THOSE POSITIONS IN LIGHT OF MARKET. 
          SO JULY 1ST, 2022, WE FELT REALLY GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE WERE IN TERMS OF OUR COMPETITIVE SET WANTING TO BE SORT OF THE, THE TOP, UM, IN NORTHERN ARIZONA FOR MOST OF OUR POSITIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FLAGSTAFF, WHICH IS A BIGGER CITY, BUT CERTAINLY IN THE VERDE VALLEY, WE WANT IT TO BE, UM, AT THE TOP. 
          SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, WE SAW OUR OTHER COMPETITIVE SET DO THE SAME. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WE WILL DO ANOTHER ANALYSIS THIS COMING SPRING FOR NEXT JULY, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING THE, THE, THE CAP OF THE 5%, AND AGAIN, WE DO A STRICTLY MERIT BASED ADJUSTMENT. 
          SO SOME EMPLOYEES MAY HAVE GOTTEN SLIGHTLY ABOVE THAT IF THEY WERE VERY HIGH PERFORMERS, SOME WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT, BUT THE CAP FOR OVERALL WAGE INCREASES WAS 5%. 
          WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, AND SHERRY JUST WENT OVER THE NUMBERS WITH YOU, WAS THAT BOTH SALES AND BED TAX REVENUES ARE COMING IN MUCH ABOVE PROJECTIONS. 
          SO THEY WERE, UM, FOR THE FIRST QUARTER, 4% OVER IN SALES TAX AND 12% OVER PROJECTIONS IN IN BED TAX. 
          SO FOR THE FIRST QUARTER WE WERE ABOUT $426,000 ABOVE WHERE WE ANTICIPATED TO BE. 
          YOU JUST HEARD WE JUST RECENTLY GOT THE OCTOBER NUMBERS. 
          THOSE ARE ALSO UP. 
          SO WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TREND TO CONTINUE. 
          THE UM, THE COST OF THE WAGE ADJUSTMENT FOR THE SIX MONTH PERIOD FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR WOULD BE ABOUT 160, $160,000. 
          SO FULL YEAR COST OF THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 320. 
          THAT WOULD BE PROGRAMMED INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          I DO ANTICIPATE THAT IF WE WERE TO DO A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, THAT WOULD HELP US WITH WHATEVER WE HAVE 
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TO DO IN JULY, UH, BASED ON THE MARKET ASSESSMENT. 
          SO IF WE DO TWO AND A HALF NOW, MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AS LARGE AN INCREASE COME JULY ONE OF, OF THE COMING YEAR. 
          THERE'S SOME INFORMATION, UH, IN THE PACKET AND I HAD SENT ALL OF YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF NOVE NOVEMBER OUR, UM, EMPLOYEE SURVEY THAT WE JUST DID. 
          SO THERE'S SOME KIND OF INSIGHTS INTO WHERE EMPLOYEES ARE IN TERMS OF THEIR SORT OF SAT SATISFACTION WITH VARIOUS ASPECTS OF WORKING FOR THE CITY. 
          THOSE WERE OVERALL REALLY GOOD. 
          UM, IT WASN'T LIKE WE HAD TERRIBLE SCORES ON WAGES. 
          I THINK PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS COMPETITIVE WE AS WE CAN AND THAT WE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB AT KEEPING PACE OF WAGES. 
          BUT WE DID DO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID TAKE A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND I THINK THAT THE 2.5% IS WE CAN AFFORD IT. 
          IT IS JUSTIFIED BASED ON THE COMPETITIVE MARKET WE'RE IN AND IT WILL GIVE THE EXISTING EMPLOYEES AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE NEW EMPLOYEES WE'RE HIRING. 
          SO I AM PROPOSING THAT THIS WOULD ONLY BE FOR EMPLOYEES HIRED PRIOR TO JUNE 30TH OF LAST YEAR. 
          ANYONE HIRED, UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR HAS HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE SALARY IN A WAY THAT EXISTING EMPLOYEES HAVE NOT. 
          WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, PETE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          KAREN, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE RECRUITED PEOPLE AND THEY SAY AND, AND WE CAN'T FIND A DEAL WITH SALARY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DETAILS OF HOW OFTEN THAT HAPPENS? HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF WALKED AWAY THAT WE'VE WANTED TO GET? UM, I THINK BRENDA MIGHT HAVE A, A BETTER SENSE OF THAT. 
          I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO, UM, MY EXAMPLES ARE ANECDOTAL, SO SHE MIGHT HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE NUMBER FOR YOU OF HOW, HOW OFTEN THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, IT IS HAPPENING THERE. 
          THERE HAVE DEFINITELY, I'M THINKING OF, OF A FEW DIFFERENT POSITIONS WHERE WE JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO COME IN. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING THAT NUMBER, BUT WE ALSO CAN'T HIRE, LET'S SAY A MIDDLE MANAGER POSITION MAKING MORE THAN A DEPARTMENT HEAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO WE DO HAVE TO BE, BE MINDFUL OF, OF INTERNAL EQUITY. 
          YEP. 
          OH, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT, I'D KINDA ALSO JUST LIKE TO PUT ON THE TABLE THAT YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION. 
          WE, WE TALK ABOUT WAGES AND WE OFTEN THINK ABOUT WAGES HERE, BUT I ALSO ASKED ABOUT TOTAL COMPENSATION. 
          'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES FORGET ABOUT THE PENSION AND THE HEALTHCARE COSTS. 
          AND SO KAREN DID THAT ANALYSIS FOR ME AND THE TRENDS LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME, THAT WE'RE, THEY'RE NOT GETTING OUTTA CONTROL. 
          WE'RE NOT PLUS OR MINUS. 
          UH, KAREN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SAY ANYMORE ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT LOOKED GOOD. 
          I APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT YOU DID THAT EXERCISE WITH ME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THAT WAS A, A GOOD EXERCISE. 
          IT JUST, IT BORE OUT THE FACT THAT IF WE WERE ADJUSTING WAGES ONLY COMMENSURATE WITH CPI, WE WOULD BE AT A HIGHER PLACE BOTH FOR WAGES AND FOR THE COMBINATION OF WAGES AND BENEFITS PER FTE. 
          SO IT JUST KIND OF SHOWED IF WE WERE MAKING INFLATIONARY UM, ADJUSTMENTS IN THE LAST THREE FISCAL YEARS, OUR WAGES AND OUR WAGES AND BENEFITS WOULD BE HIGHER THAN WHERE WE ARE, WHICH BEARS OUT BECAUSE INSTEAD OF THE 6.2 AND THE 7.1, WE'VE BEEN CAPPING THOSE AT FIVE FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          ALRIGHT, BRENDA, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. 
          HOPE YOU DIDN'T MIND A LONG TRIP OVER , BUT, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER COUNSELORS MIGHT AS WELL. 
          SO, PETE, DO YOU WANNA CONTINUE ON? DID, DID YOU HEAR YOU NEED ME TO REPEAT? YOU WERE PLEASE NOT IN THE ROOM. 
          YEP. 
          NO, THE DELAY IS ABOUT 12 SECONDS BEHIND, SO I DID NOT HEAR IT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO I, UH, KAREN HAD MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE AN EXPERIENCE OF HAVING EMPLOYEES THAT PERHAPS WERE INTERESTED IN ONBOARDING AND WE CAN'T FIND AN AGREEMENT AROUND PAY, BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE HAVE MORE DETAILS OF NUMBERS OR HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS? I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS OR PERCENTAGES. 
          I CAN SAY THAT IF I OFFER A POSITION EIGHT OUTTA 10 TIMES, THE CANDIDATE WILL COME BACK WITH, THERE'S ISSUES WITH HOUSING. 
          UM, THEY'LL ASK FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR MOVING, AND THOSE ARE POSITIONS WE NORMALLY DO NOT PAY FOR, FOR, UM, MOVING ALLOWANCES. 
          UM, SO 
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I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 10% OF THE TIME THAT I HAVE MAYBE UP TO 20% OF THE TIME THAT A CANDIDATE ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL. 
          AND THEN JUST IN ROUGH NUMBER, NUMBER OF BODIES, THAT'S BEEN WHAT'S 10% OF, WELL, I GUESS WE HAVE 25% TURNOVER MAY HAVE UNFILLED POSITIONS THAT WE LOOK FOR AS WELL. 
          UH, LAST FISCAL YEAR WE ONBOARDED 84 NEW HIRES. 
          84. 
          WOW. 
          GREAT. 
          HOLY COW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE JESSICA'S FIRST. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD JESSICA. 
          SO OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO, WHO DIDN'T GET HIRED BECAUSE WE COULDN'T COME TO AN ARRANGEMENT, THOSE WERE, WERE THOSE POSITIONS ALL FILLED? UM, YES, THEY WERE EVENTUALLY FILLED AND, AND SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE TO GET CREATIVE AND OFFER, UH, 40 HOURS OF UPFRONT AND VACATION TIME. 
          UM, A SMALL MOVING ALLOWANCE FOR POSITIONS THAT WE NORMALLY DON'T, UM, PROVIDE THAT FOR. 
          RIGHT? YES. 
          BUT THOSE ARE OKAY, THANKS. 
          BUT THEY ALL EVENTUALLY GET FILLED WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE QUALIFIED. 
          YES. 
          AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES GOING OUT TWO, THREE TIMES. 
          IT COULD GO FOR TWO MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS. 
          SO THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A COST TO THAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          HI, BRENDA. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          NICE TO SEE YOU FOR AS LONG AS WE HAVE YOU . 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MY QUESTION IS OF THE 10% YEAR TO DATE, UH, EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE LEFT SERVICE, WHAT HAS BEEN THE REASON OR THE REASONS THAT THEY HAVE LEFT AND WHAT WAGES OR COMPENSATION PART OF THAT? IT'S A VARIETY. 
          WE HAVE SOME WHO, OF COURSE, ARE RETIRING. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME THAT WE'VE SEPARATED SERVICE WITH DUE TO PERFORMANCE ISSUES. 
          UM, AND OTHERS HAVE MOVED ON TO OTHER POSITIONS. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEL FOR THE PERCENTAGE? UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THOSE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S LESS OF, OF DEPARTING OF, UM, EMPLOYMENT ON OUR BEHALF OF ASKING THEM TO LEAVE. 
          IT'S MORE OF MOVING ON TO OTHER POSITIONS AND USUALLY IN, UH, A BIGGER AREA SUCH AS PHOENIX METRO AREAS THAT PAY MORE. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE RETIREMENT IS THE LOWEST FOR OUR SEPARATIONS. 
          SO DO YOU, UH, PART OF WHAT, UH, COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON ASKED I WAS GONNA ASK AS WELL, BUT YOU HAVE DISCRETION IN TERMS OF MOVING EXPENSES AND VACATION AND OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? TO NEGOTIATE? YES, UP TO A POINT. 
          I CAN'T OFFER A NEW HIRE, SAY A HUNDRED HOURS OF VACATION 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE AN AN WOULDN'T BE EQUITABLE TO OTHERS. 
          BUT ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO 80 HOURS IS STANDARD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BRIAN, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YOU JUST LOOKED LIKE YOU DID? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HA IF YOU DO WANNA, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALLY RELEVANT TO RIGHT NOW. 
          I MEAN, 'CAUSE I MEAN WE'RE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ATTRACTING EMPLOYEES AND WHATNOT AND HOUSING IS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE WILLING TO CONSIDER SOME TYPE OF, UM, SHARED APPRECIATION LOANS FOR STAFF AT CERTAIN LEVELS, UH, WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THEIR ABILITY TO FIND A HOUSE THAT THEY CAN BUY? UH, AGAIN, DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY RELEVANT TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTION OF, OF EMPLOYEES, IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 
          AND, AND WE DO HAVE THAT ACTUALLY TO $40,000. 
          UM, IT'S THE DOWN PAYMENT CLOSING COST ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, BUT THERE ARE NO INCOME LIMITATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. 
          IT'S REALLY JUST TRYING TO GET THEM INVESTED THROUGH A HOME PURCHASE ANYWHERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY. 
          UM, SO WE DO HAVE THAT. 
          IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW WE'RE WITH LACK OF INVENTORY AND THE INTEREST RATES, FOLKS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING SUITABLE. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS AVAILABLE I THINK FOR FUTURE REFERENCE GIVEN WHERE HOUSING PRICES ARE AND ARE LIKELY TO REMAIN OR INCREASE FROM, I DON'T THINK 40,000 IS SUFFICIENT. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M FAMILIAR WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOTTEN $200,000 SHARED DEP APPRECIATION LOANS IN OTHER MARKETS. 
          AND IF WE THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO TO TRY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE, THAT'S PROBABLY A DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER FOR ANOTHER DAY. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS SAYING. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW OF ENGINEERS THAT WE'VE LOST BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND HOUSING ON THIS SIDE OF THE MINGUS MOUNTAINS. 
          UH, AND OF COURSE ANY KIND OF RAISE WE'RE GOING TO GIVE WOULD, I DON'T THINK WOULD MAKE UP THAT GAP. 
          BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU FINDING REALLY ARE, UM, THEY JUST CAN'T FIND A PLACE. 
          AND IT USED TO BE JUST SEDONA, THEY CAN MOVE TO CORN V CAMP VERDE, RIM ROCK, WHATEVER. 
          THAT'S EVEN OFF THE TABLE NOW. 
          SO HOW MANY ARE WE LOSING BECAUSE OF HOUSING? JUST A, YOU KNOW, AN ESTIMATE, UM, OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, I'VE HAD A HANDFUL 
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THAT STATED THEY COULDN'T FIND HOUSING FOR THEIR NEEDS. 
          THEY HAD SAY SEVERAL DOGS OR, OR CHILDREN. 
          UM, RECENTLY I'VE HAD OH, THE CHILDREN. 
          OKAY. 
           OR CHILDREN? THE CHILDREN. 
          I, I'VE HAD SOME NEW HIRES THAT HAVE FOUND SOME HOUSING IN APARTMENTS IN COTTONWOOD. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES OPEN UP IN COTTONWOOD FOR APARTMENT LEASING. 
          I KNOW SOME OF THOSE APARTMENTS ARE GOING FOR $2,000 A MONTH. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S A ONE BEDROOM. 
          IT'S CRAZY. 
          COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR, FOR BRENDA? WELL, NO, I HAVE NOTHING FOR BRENDA. 
          NO, I JUST WANTED, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE, THE ISSUE OF THE PAY RAISE. 
          WELL, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT I THINK I STILL HAVE, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I UNDER NO, I I DON'T HAVE ANY, I JUST OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GET BACK TO THE ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO LET ME JUST FINISH. 
          SO, UH, ARE YOU, YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ANECDOTAL, UH, STORIES TO SHARE ABOUT THE INEQUITIES BETWEEN THE EXISTING STAFF AND, UH, NEW HIRES THAT WE MIGHT ENCOUNTER? WELL, SINCE I ONLY HAVE 10 DAYS LEFT, , I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT I ENJOY BEING THE MOST COMPETITIVE OUT OF ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN NORTHERN ARIZONA. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN BEAT THE COMPETITION, I'M ALWAYS A FAN FOR THAT. 
          SO I HIGHLY RECOMMEND INCREASING OUR WAGES JUST SLIGHTLY FOR, FOR THAT FACTOR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WHO ELSE? OH, KATHY. 
          YES. 
          KAREN YOU SPOKE TO. 
          IS THIS FOR BRENDA OR, UH, WELL, I DON'T, SHE MAY DEFER IT, SO I DON'T OKAY. 
          HANG OUT. 
          BUT I, IT'S FOR KAREN BECAUSE IT'S LEAPING OFF OF WHAT KAREN SAID BEFORE. 
          UM, YOU SAID THAT NEW PEOPLE COMING IN ARE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A HIGHER RAISE AND THERE'S AN INEQUITY BUILDING BETWEEN THOSE THAT ARE EXISTING. 
          BUT HAS THAT HAPPENED YET THAT SOMEBODY NEW HAS COME ON IN A LA IN A POSITION LATERAL TO SOMEBODY ELSE AT A HIGHER RATE? HAVE WE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED THAT? OR IS IT SOMETHING WHERE ONE JUST AVOID EXPERIENCING? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE BROUGHT ANYONE IN A, UM, COMMENSURATE POSITION AT A HIGHER RATE, BUT WE, SO IF, IF WE BRING IN A NEW EMPLOYEE, LET'S SAY IT'S A COMMENSURATE TYPE POSITION, EVEN IF WE'RE, LET'S SAY THEY'RE 5% UNDER OR EVEN 10% UNDER SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR 6, 8, 10 YEARS MM-HMM. 
          , THAT PERSON DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE TO, TO NEGOTIATE THAT. 
          SO THEY ARE FALLING BEHIND. 
          WHAT WE KNOW TO BE TRUE IS THAT ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THESE TECHNICAL POSITIONS, IF THEY WERE TO GO OUT RIGHT NOW TO THE MARKET, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A HIGHER SALARY GOING INTO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION IN A COMPARABLE POSITION. 
          AND WE HAVE HAD, I I'M THINKING OF A COUPLE DIFFERENT POSITIONS RIGHT NOW WHERE THAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE TUNE OF LIKE 20% HIGHER. 
          SO, AND, AND WHERE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COME BACK AND MATCH THAT AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA RAISE YOU 30%. 
          'CAUSE THEN IT'S AFFECTS EVERYBODY ELSE WITHIN THEIR, YOU KNOW, ORG UNIT AND THE, AND THE CITY. 
          SO, UM, IT, IT IS A REAL KIND OF CONSTANT I ISSUE. 
          AND WE DO TRY TO BE VERY COGNIZANT. 
          IN FACT, WHEN WE MAKE JOB OFFERS, WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, WHERE, WHERE'S EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ORGANIZATION? NOT JUST IN A LIKE POSITION, BUT KIND OF IN A RANGE OF POSITIONS. 
          LIKE, ARE, ARE WE GOING TO CREATE AN ISSUE WITH EXISTING EMPLOYEES? AND WE TRY NOT TO, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING TO PUSH THOSE. 
          WE USED TO BE ABLE TO BRING NEW HIRES IN, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR KIND OF NON-TECHNICAL POSITIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU START BEGINNING OF THE RANGE  OR, OR CLOSE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE RANGE. 
          AND WE'RE NOT, NOT ONLY ARE WE PUSHING MIDPOINT ON A LOT OF THESE SALARIES, WE'RE HAVING TO BRING PEOPLE UP HIGHER THAN MIDPOINT, UM, JUST TO GET 'EM IN THE DOOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          SHERRY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? OR YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAD, YOU, YOU ARE NODDING YOUR HEAD. 
          I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU KNEW OF SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM. 
          UM, OR YET OH, NOT ON BOARD YET, BUT THERE WILL BE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS BRENDA AWARE? I'M SURE SHE SHOULD BE RIGHT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          . 
          BRENDA, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT AT ALL? WITH CHERRY WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT DOES SOMEBODY NEW BEING ONBOARDED SOON THAT THERE WOULD BE AN INEQUITY? OH. 
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UM, WE HAVE A NEW PROCUREMENT OFFICER COMING ON BOARD THAT IS COMING IN VERY CLOSE TO WHERE OUR OTHER SUPERVISORS ARE IN THE DEPARTMENT WHO HAVE BEEN THERE LONGER. 
          BUT THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS WE COULD GET SOMEONE WITH EXPERIENCE IN PROCUREMENT. 
          SEE, THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, VICE MAYOR, I, IT'S REALLY MORE OF A COMMENT. 
          OH, WELL I HAVE COMMENTS IN THE, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          I MEAN, I HAD THAT EXPERIENCE WITH STAFF WHERE WE HAD TO NEGOTIATE HIGHER COMPENSATION FOR NEW EMPLOYEES AND, AND STAFF WHO HAD BEEN THERE FOR 10, 15 YEARS WE'RE WAY BEHIND THE NEW HIRES. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD, I, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS WAS CRAZY. 
          THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD BETTER THEMSELVES WAS TO LEAVE. 
          AND I KNOW PEOPLE WHO LEFT AND THEN CAME BACK. 
          IT WAS SO, IT'S NOT JUST A PUBLIC SECTOR ISSUE. 
          AND I NEVER UNDERSTOOD, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          'CAUSE I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY MANAGEMENT WAS SO UNWILLING TO COMPENSATE LOYAL, HIGHLY FUNCTIONING EMPLOYEES EXCEPT TO PROMOTE THEM IF THERE WAS A PROMOTION. 
          BUT EVEN AT A PROMOTION, YOU WERE, YOU WERE CAPPED AT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANNA GIVE SOMEBODY 30 OR 40% INTO A PROMOTION. 
          SO I, I I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, AS I SAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO US BECAUSE I DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE PENALIZED BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, PERFORMED WELL, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, STARTED AT A LOWER RATE AND THEY, AND HAVE ONLY BEEN ABLE TO INCREASE THEIR COMPENSATION BY THE WHATEVER PERCENTAGE THAT IS. 
          SO THEY DO GET HARMED AND, AND WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, IS THIS ENOUGH? I I DO THINK THAT THIS IS ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THIS IS ENOUGH FOR A MID-YEAR UNPROGRAMMED ADJUSTMENT, LIKE I SAID, UM, IN JULY, UP TO ROSS, OUR NEW, OUR NEW HR MANAGER. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS HE'LL BE TASKED WITH THIS SPRING IS CONDUCTING THAT, UM, ADDITIONAL MARKET SURVEY. 
          SO WE'LL AGAIN, DO THE COMPS, SEE WHERE WE FIT AND WHAT ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS WE MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE IN JULY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, KATHY, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US NOW? DO YOU NEED DIRECTION NOW? DO WE DO THAT TOMORROW AT THE END? DO YOU NEED A MOTION? IS JUST DIRECTION? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US, KURT? ARE YOU OKAY WITH DIRECTION? JUST DIRECTION AND NOW AS OPPOSED TO TOMORROW? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, MM-HMM. 
          , ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PETE, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE SOMETHING. 
          COMMENTS, COMMENTS, COMMENTS? WELL, LET'S START WITH COMMENTS. 
          LET'S START WITH PETE. 
          YEAH. 
          COMMENTS WISE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YOU KNOW, I, FOR ONE, GREATLY APPRECIATE OUR FISCAL APPROACH TO RUNNING THIS CITY AND WHERE WE ARE. 
          AND THE FACT THAT WE DO BUILD CONSERVATISM IN THE BUDGET SHARE, IT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED, UH, KAREN, THAT HOW WE MANAGE THE CITY IS SUPER GREAT. 
          AND THIS IS THE DOWNSIDE OF DOING THAT. 
          WE'RE ALSO VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH TRYING TO MANAGE OUR EMPLOYEE COSTS. 
          AND SO OCCASIONALLY WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CORRECTION. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CORRECTION IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BUDGET. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE THIS A, A CORRECTION, I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE AT THIS TIME. 
          SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ACTION. 
          THANK YOU COUNCIL WILLIAMSON. 
          YEAH. 
          WE NEED, WE NEED, WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE HIGH QUALITY STAFF. 
          WE NEED THIS HIGH QUALITY STAFF IN ORDER TO GET ANY OF OUR PROJECTS ACTUALLY DONE AND MEET ANY OF OUR PRIORITIES. 
          SO STAFF IS PENALIZED IN TERMS OF, UH, WAGE INCREASES WHEN REVENUES GO DOWN. 
          THEY SHOULD REAP THE BENEFITS OF, OF, UM, OUR GOOD FORTUNE IN HAVING THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE NOW. 
          UM, WE KNOW THIS IS A REGIONAL PROBLEM. 
          UM, IT'S, I APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING IT TO US. 
          UM, AND I URGE YOU TO BRING IT EVERY SINGLE TIME IT'S AN ISSUE. 
          UH, AND I TOTALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE DIFFICULTIES. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNSELOR PLU SAID. 
          UM, IT'S JUST, THAT'S THE SYSTEM AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. 
          AND IT'S SAD. 
          IT IS. 
          BUT WE HAVE A ROBUST BENEFIT PROGRAM AND IT'S SORT OF EVERYTHING TOGETHER I THINK 
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REMAINS A, A GOOD DEAL. 
          BUT I, I DO, I DO LIKE BEING AT THE TOP OF THE RANGE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE BEST PEOPLE HERE TO MATCH THE QUALITY OF THE REST OF OUR STAFF. 
          SO I TOTALLY SUPPORT THIS. 
          COUNCILOR ELL, UH, YES, I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. 
          I SUPPORT THIS VICE MAYOR. 
          I THINK I'VE SAID MY PIECE. 
          I JUST WANNA BE SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          ANY WORDS? WELL, I'M ASSUMING YOU WANT TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT I SUPPORT THE IDEA? THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          THOSE ARE GOOD WORDS TO GO BY. 
          SO, UM, TO COUNCILOR FLU'S POINT, I'VE BEEN IN THAT POSITION WHERE YOU HIRE PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING HIRED IN AT A HIGHER RATE THAN YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY CURRENTLY BE, BE, UM, EARNING. 
          AND THAT DOES MAKE YOU THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TIME TO LEAVE. 
          SO WE HAVE COMPLEX PROBLEMS IN THIS, IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE NEED THE BEST POSSIBLE PEOPLE THAT WE CAN HIRE. 
          AND SO I'M EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE, UM, ADEQUATELY GIVEN THE PERCENTAGE ADEQUATELY, UM, ARE MAKING SURE THAT OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES FEEL THAT THIS IS A PLACE WHERE THEY WANT TO STAY. 
          SO I'M EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE. 
          I ALSO AGREE WITH OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE DAIS AROUND THESE ARE ISSUES THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD, UM, AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN, UM, FOR ATTENTION AND REMEDIATION BEFORE WE START TO LOSE REALLY GREAT STAFF. 
          UM, WE SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, IN ORDER TO RETAIN OUR STAFF AND THE FUNDING FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'RE THE BUDGETARY PEOPLE APPARENTLY. 
          AND, UM, OUR PEOPLE IN THE CITY HAVE TO STAY BEYOND OUR, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALDOM. 
          SO I'M, I'M REALLY SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF WHATEVER IT WILL TAKE FOR US TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN REALLY GREAT PEOPLE TO MOVE FORWARD ALL THE PROJECTS FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL. 
          FOLTZ, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID, AND I'M HAPPY TO, UH, INCLUDE MY SUPPORT FOR THE DIRECTION THAT APPEARS TO BE BEGIN BEING GIVEN AT THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I TOO AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. 
          UM, I, I THINK I'M HERE 10, 12, 11 YEARS NOW. 
          AND THE MORE I'M LONGER, I'M HERE. 
          I'M MEETING NEW DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES, NEW EMPLOYEES AS THEY COME ON BOARD. 
          AND THE PROFESSIONALISM IS JUST AMAZING AND THE COMMITMENT WE NEED TO KEEP THAT. 
          OTHERWISE THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND THOSE TOWNS WILL GET TO REAP WHAT WE HAD. 
          SO I AM OF COURSE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          SO, UH, KAREN, DO YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION YOU NEED? I DO. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          I KNOW THE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO APPRECIATE THIS. 
          I'M SURE WE, WE SHARED THE FACT THAT WE WERE EVEN GONNA MAKE THIS REQUEST ONLY WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA  SET AN EXPECTATION, UM, JUST IN CASE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE COULDN'T DO AT THIS TIME. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE THRILLED AND I'M PLANNING TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ASAP WHILE IS GIVING THIS PRESENTATION. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, BRENDA, THANK YOU. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE YOUR LAST PRESENTATION TO US. 
          OH, MY PLEASURES BEEN  YEARS. 
          AND THANK YOU ALL BRENDA. 
          THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. 
          WELL, THERE, THERE WILL BE AN EVENT, UH, IT'S A PARADE OR SOMETHING ON JANUARY 3RD, . 
          IT'LL BE A SMALL OPEN HOUSE, SMALL OPEN HOUSE JANUARY 3RD FROM, WHAT WAS IT? NINE TO 11? NINE TO 11. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED SHOWING UP SO FAR. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SOMETHING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU BRENDAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CITIZENS OF ALL RIGHT. 
          KURT HARRIS, YOU'RE UP. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALWAYS EXCITING WHEN YOU TALK WITH US SO WELL. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, PROJECTS GOING ON. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF  LION SHARE, I THINK, OF THE CITY OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          UM, THIS OUTLINE FOLLOWS WHAT KAREN, UH, ASKED US TO FOLLOW, UH, STARTING OUT WITH WHAT OUR IMPROVEMENTS, OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE, UM, HERE RUNNING UP, UM, TO DATE. 
          SO, UM, THE BIG ONE IS THE SIM ONE B AND THE UPTOWN, UM, NORTHBOUND, AS WE SAID IN OUR AUGUST PRESENTATION THAT WE, AS SOON AS WE THAT WAS COMPLETED, WE ACTUALLY SHOWED IN THE MODELS HOW THAT WAS SHOWED A DEFINITELY IMPROVEMENT IN EFFICIENCY IN MOBILITY IN UPTOWN IN THAT NORTHBOUND MOVEMENT. 
          UH, THE PINYON DRIVE, A SHARED USE PATHS, UH, VODE DRIVE, SHARED USE PATH, UH, BACK AND BEYOND LOW WATER CROSSING. 
          THAT WAS REALLY EXCITING TO SEE, UM, RIGHT WHEN IT WAS IN UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND, UH, WE HAD A MONSOON STORM THUNDERSTORM 
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AND IT ACTUALLY WORKED JUST AS DESIGNED, UM, FINAL UPTOWN PARKING STUDY, WHICH HAS BEEN A, A BIG, UM, PART OF OUR WHOLE PROCESS IN UPTOWN AS YOU GUYS WERE ALL AWARE. 
          AND THEN I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE EMPHASIZED THAT VOLPI, UM, ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. 
          I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG, BIG PART MOVING FORWARD TO HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THIS. 
          YES. 
          WHEN WILL THAT REPORT BE COMING OUT? I KNOW THE DRAFT WAS OUT AND WE'RE REVIEWING IT. 
          I THINK THE FINAL REPORT WAS TO BE THE SPRING OR IMMEDIATE IMMINENT. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE DA THAT DOESN'T, ISN'T AWARE OF WHAT THE VOLPI TRANSPORTATION GROUP WAS HERE FOR? EVERYBODY KNOWS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 
          NO, WE WON'T KNOW. 
          NO, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, BUT I DIDN'T, I WANTED TO BE SURE EVERYBODY'S UP TO SPEED WITH THAT. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS REALLY DONE BY THE U-S-D-O-T, NOT BY US, BUT I KNOW WE CONTRIBUTED TIME AND, UH, MANPOWER TO, TO SIT IN. 
          BUT YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AND I'M HOPING IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY GONNA HAVE AN ANSWER. 
          SO, UH, TO HELP WITH, WITH SOME OF OUR TRANSPORTATION AND WHERE THE FOREST SERVICE INTERACTS WITH THE CITY. 
          SO, UH, OKAY. 
          WELL CONTINUE ON MY FRIEND. 
          WAIT, HOLD ON. 
          VOL HAD A QUESTION. 
          NO, THE MAYOR ASKED MY QUESTION. 
          SO DEFINITELY WANNA KNOW WHAT'S THE OUTCOME AND FOR BREVITY, I DIDN'T ADD ANY PICTURES. 
          I'VE TRIED TO COMPRESS THIS AS MANY SLIDES AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME IN THE SIM UPDATE AND WE HAVE A BIG DAY TODAY, AND I'M TRYING NOT TO REFER THIS TO ROLL TOMORROW. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE ASK. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO DO THIS TO HELP YOU ALL AND AND MOVE THIS ALONG. 
          SO I I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE DRAFT THAT YOU COULD JUST GIVE US A HEADLINE THERE? ANYTHING, ANY AHA MOMENTS FOR THE VOCAL FOR IF YOU GO IN DETAILS? IT'S PRETTY MUCH GENERAL AT THIS POINT OF WHAT WE ANTICIPATE, RIGHT? YEAH, IT REALLY DOESN'T GET INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. 
          IT'S THE INTENT OF THE REPORT IS TO GIVE A OVERALL PICTURE OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE IN RELATION TO SEDONA AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, BASICALLY BASICALLY THE GATEWAY TO THE FOREST LANDS, THE PUBLIC LANDS THAT WE'RE SURROUNDED BY. 
          AND SO IT, IT REALLY IS INTENDED TO BE A HIGH LEVEL TYPE REPORT. 
          AND I THINK THE BIG TAKEAWAY IS THAT IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYONE THAT WE TALKED TO THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE EFFORT GETS THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME HELP WITH FUNDING BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME BIG ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO RESOLVE AND WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME HELP. 
          SO IT, IT, IT DEFINITELY SEEMED LIKE THEY ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT. 
          WELL, SO, BUT TO, TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, FUNDING IS OF COURSE, CRITICAL. 
          BUT THE PROJECTS AND WHAT THEY HAVE IN MIND, ARE THEY LISTING ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, ROAD CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTION? THEY'RE REALLY MORE FOCUSED ON WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND THAT NEED TO BE, UM, SOLVED. 
          NOT SO MUCH HOW TO SOLVE, GETTING INTO THE DETAIL OF HOW DO YOU SOLVE THAT. 
          YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I FOUND THAT THE COLLABORATION WAS ONE OUTSTANDING THING. 
          I SAW THAT, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, WHETHER YOU LIVED IN THE CANYON OR REGIONALLY, WAS THE COLLABORATION, UH, CURRENTLY THAT EXISTS TO COME UP TO A RESOLUTION. 
          SO, SO, BUT THAT WAS A HIGHLIGHT. 
          IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO GET THE VOLPE GROUP HERE. 
          IT TAKES, IF NOT YEARS, UH, QUITE LONGER SOMETIMES, AND THEY SWOOP IN, DO A QUICK REPORT OR A QUICK STUDY, BUT LESS THAN A WEEK. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO THAT. 
          UH, BUT IT'S A BIG CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT'S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT THEY GO ACROSS THE COUNTRY DOING THIS. 
          IS THAT ABOUT ACCURATE? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WAS DEFINITELY A, A GREAT THING TO HAVE THEM HERE. 
          WE HAD FOLKS INVOLVED FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, UM, ON, ON THE GROUP, UH, THAT HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH WHAT THEY WERE DEALING WITH AND HOW THAT RELATES TO SEDONA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE REPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOVING ON. 
          MOVING ON. 
          UM, THIS IS, I JUST KIND OF TOOK WHAT, UH, WE PRESENTED BACK IN AUGUST AND JUST ADDED UPDATES OF WHERE WE ARE IN UPTOWN WITH OUR SIM. 
          UM, AND JUST TO KIND OF GO DOWN A TOP DOWN, UM, AGAIN, WE ALREADY MENTIONED THE AMARA RIGHT HAND TURN LANE IS COMPLETE. 
          UH, OUR NORTHBOUND LANES ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, IT WAS KIND INTERESTING HOW PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHY ARE THEY DOING IT NOW? I WAS LIKE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT WHEN THE TOURIST AND THE VISITATION IS THE LOWEST. 
          UM, WE ARE GETTING BENEFITS OF LOWER TRAFFIC BASED UPON A DOTS OF ROCKFALL BLASTING JUST NORTH OF OWENBY. 
          SO WE'RE, THEY'RE MOVING DAY AND NIGHT AND MAKING TREMENDOUS PROJECTS. 
          THAT'S COMBS, UH, THREES, UH, UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE, THE COM. 
          WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE DESIGN, GETTING YOU THE, UH, UM, ALL THE REQUESTS THAT YOU'VE MADE IN, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THE MAXIMUM PROBABLE COST, ALL THAT. 
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UH, FOREST ROAD EXTENSION IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION FANS MOVING TREMENDOUSLY AMOUNT ON THAT. 
          THEY'RE REALLY GONNA GO THROUGH A, A GOOD PROCESS. 
          SO, UH, ALL THE VISITORS WILL BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THAT'S TAKING SHAPE NOW. 
          UM, THE BLAST HAVE WENT, UM, BETTER THAN WE ANTICIPATED AND, UH, INTERRUPTION AND THE AMOUNT OF, UH, FRACTURING THAT WE'RE GETTING. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY GETTING RESULTS THERE. 
          UM, KURT, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO BE VI MORE VISIBLE DOWN BY 89 A OH, IT SHOULD BE IN ANOTHER MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT REALLY TAKING SHAPE. 
          THE WALLS WILL START COMING UP NOW THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE. 
          SO, UM, THE INTERSECTION, THE BREWER WE'RE IN THAT DESIGN PHASE, WE'RE LIKE AT 60% NOW. 
          UM, IT'S STILL, THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG PROJECT AND SO ON. 
          JUST TO TIE IN ON STAFFING REQUIREMENTS, I'M ANTICIPATING IN CONSTRUCTION SINCE THAT'S ON ADOT RIGHT AWAY, THAT WE'RE GONNA END UP DOING THAT ALL BY THIRD PARTY. 
          UM, THERE'S A BUNCH OF FEDERAL REQUIREMENT STANDARDS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND I JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFF OR INSPECTIONS AND ALL THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE FOR THAT FAIR, REALLY LARGE PROJECT. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED MOBILITY HUB LOCATION, THAT'S STILL IN THE STEADY PHASE. 
          UH, RANGER BREWER EXTENSIONS AND FINAL DESIGN, UM, PORTAL LANE WE'RE IN PRELIMINARY DESIGN, UM, REACHING OUT WITH TO LOCK HOCKEY, TRYING TO MEET WITH THEM ON A, UM, MONTHLY BASIS TO KEEP THEM, UM, INVOLVED AND UPDATED. 
          THE LOS AGAVES BREWER CONNECTION. 
          UM, ITS CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE. 
          UH, THAT'S, UH, WE ACTUALLY ARE GONNA HELP WITH PUTTING SIGNS IN THERE TO GET MORE USE OUT OF THAT AS WELL. 
          WITH LOS AGAVES WE'VE HAD, UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE INTERFACING WITH THE RANGER, THE STAFF AND PEOPLE. 
          WERE GETTING A LOT OF POSITIVE COMMENTS ON THAT. 
          BRIAN, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP. 
          SO YES. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR KURT, ON THE, UH, PORTAL LANE CONNECTION, PRELIMINARY DESIGN PHASE, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE IN COMMUNICATION WITH FOLKS AT TILAK, BUT ARE WE STILL PENDING IN AGREEMENT WITH TO ONCE DESIGN IS COMPLETE OR DO WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY AGREEMENT AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD NO MATTER WHAT AT THIS POINT? UH, THERE'S NO AGREEMENT, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON TOWARDS THAT. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M OUTREACHING THEM WITH THEM NOW ON INCORPORATING THEIR CONCERNS WITHIN THE DESIGN TO TRY TO, UM, MAKE THAT AS FACILITATE THAT AGREEMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AHEAD OF IT. 
          ARE THERE ANY MAJOR STICKING POINTS THAT STILL CAUSE YOU CONCERN OVER THE ABILITY TO GET THIS PROJECT STARTED? YES, AND GIVEN THE SENSITIVE NATURE, YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING FURTHER RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOLD ON. 
          KURT, VICE MAYOR, IS THERE ANY PLAN TO MAKE O AND B TWO TWO-WAY? UM, NO. 
          YEAH, YOU, OH,  THAT, THAT'S BEEN THE INTENT. 
          UM, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED THAT AT THE TIME WE, WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE WANTED TO GO TO THE EXTENT OF THE IMPACT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE THAT TWO-WAY AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT WAS PROJECTED TO BE NEEDED TO BE ACCOMMODATED AT THAT TIME. 
          THE MAIN FOCUS WAS ON GETTING FOLKS COMING INTO TOWN FROM THE, FROM THE NORTH OFF THE HIGHWAY, OFF THE FRONT EDGE TO THE MUNICIPAL PARKING LOT, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          BUT WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UM, BEING CERTAINLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN RIGHT THERE AROUND THAT AREA, UM, DEFINITELY WHEN THAT HAPPENS WE WILL BE EXPECTING THAT ROAD TO BE CONVERTED TO TWO-WAY FOR SURE. 
          IS IT ALREADY WIDE ENOUGH OR NO. 
          WOULD NEED TO BE EXPANDED? BE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I'VE ONLY BEEN UP THERE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. 
          I'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE, THE, UH, LOCAL RESIDENTS UP, UH, IN UPTOWN SAYING, ESPECIALLY FOR EMERGENCY EVACUATION, THAT WOULD BE A QUICK WAY OUT. 
          AND I SAID, WELL, IT CAN ALWAYS BE TURNED AROUND FOR AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION. 
          EVERYBODY CAN GO OUT, BUT RIGHT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT. 
          MAY I TAG ON? YEAH. 
          OH YEAH. 
          NO, AS SOON AS I FINISH. 
          UH, BUT I, I UH, OKAY, GO AHEAD BRIAN. 
          SO IS MAKING O AND B TWO A, IS IT ON THE WORK PLAN AT ALL AT THIS POINT OR JUST IT'S KIND OF ROLLING AROUND IN EVERYBODY'S HEAD? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. 
          THERE IS NO PROJECT THAT'S DESIGNATED IN OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE IT OUGHT TO BE. 
          I THINK SO TOO. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, WHERE IT IS ON THE LIST, WE COULD DECIDE, I DON'T KNOW IF, I WOULDN'T WANNA BE ONE TO SAY WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT UP AND WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON IN THE DESIGN LOAN. 
          I THINK PART OF THAT AS WELL IS JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING AROUND IT, 
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IT'LL NEED TO BE INTEGRATED INTO THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE WOULD WANT BIKE PET IMPROVEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER COMMERCIAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE ACCOMMODATED ALONG WITH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY WANTS. 
          THOSE, THOSE THINGS COME AND NEED TO BE WORKED TOGETHER. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE A BUNCH OF OUR PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT AREN'T MOVING FORWARD, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER FACTORS LIKE DEVELOPMENT THAT NEED TO BE, UM, BROUGHT IN ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT. 
          BRIAN, ARE YOU DONE? NO, THANK YOU. 
          UM, IT'S, WHO OWNS THE LAND THAT WE WOULD BE ENCROACHING ON TO MAKE THAT TWO-WAY? LAST TIME I CHECKED IT WAS A, A LIKE A LEGAL, UM, YOU KNOW, LAND HOLDING TYPE FIRM. 
          UH, THE NAME OF IT IS ACCESS CAPITAL. 
          ACCESS ACCESS, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE BASICALLY FINANCIAL SQUATTERS WAITING FOR THE CITY TO CONDEMN OR OTHERWISE NEGOTIATE A FUTURE PURCHASE OF SOME PORTION OF THAT LAND? THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT. 
          UM, , I THINK IN THEIR MINDS THEY'RE WAITING FOR SOME DEVELOPER TO COME BY THAT THINKS THEY HAVE THE PERFECT PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE AND WOULD BE WILLING TO FLIP IT OVER TO THEM. 
          AND SO THE LONGER WE WEIGH THE HIGHER LIKELIHOOD THAT A NEGOTIATED PRICE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE WOULD NEED COULD GO UP IN THAT RESPECT. 
          COULD BE, UM, ALSO THEY'LL, WHEN THEY DO DEVELOP, THEY'LL NEED TO PAY INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES AND ALL THE CATEGORIES THAT THEY NEED TO, AND THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, CONTRIBUTE TO WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS WE MAKE THROUGH THAT MECHANISM. 
          SO BOTH THINGS ARE TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          , SO, SO YOU WOULD NOT ASSUME THAT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION WILL BE CRAZY FOR THAT AS FAR AS COST? WELL, IF, IF WE, IF WE DEVELOP THE PROJECT AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY DEVELOP THE, UH, ADJACENT IMPROVEMENTS, THERE WILL BE A, A WAY TO REQUIRE THAT THEY ACCOMMODATE WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO. 
          IF WE DO IT AHEAD OF TIME, FOR ONE, WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR EVERY SQUARE INCH THAT WE IMPACT. 
          AND TWO, WE MAY IMPROVE THINGS THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPER WOULD PREFER NOT BE IMPROVED BECAUSE THEY END UP REBUILDING THEM AND IT'S JUST A WASTE OF MONEY. 
          BUT THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO DEVELOPER AT THIS TIME. 
          CORRECT. 
          OR IS THERE IT'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ANYBODY PRELIMINARILY ABOUT USE OF THAT LAND? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THEY, THEY OWN LAND ON BOTH SIDES OF 89 A. 
          THE BULK OF THE LAND THEY OWN IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, BUT THEY WANNA SELL IT AS ONE PARCEL, GET YOUR CHECKBOOK OUT. 
          THANKS. 
          S MAYOR AND IT'S BEEN FOR SALE FOR YEARS, ON AND OFF YEARS DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OPTIONS ON IT. 
          DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS HAVE TAKEN OPTIONS ON IT AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. 
          SO IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, OPINION, YOU DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT? IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TIME FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD RIGHT NOW. 
          I, I I THINK IT WOULDN'T HURT TO, UM, MAYBE DESIGNATE A FUTURE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT IT IS OUT THERE AND SO THAT, YOU MEAN LIKE WITHIN ONE TO FIVE YEARS? YEAH, I, I WOULD DEFINITELY LEAN MORE TOWARDS THE FIVE. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE TO PUT IT IN THE QUEUE, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          OR THAT, THAT YOU DON'T THINK SHOULD BE DONE NOW. 
          I DON'T NEEDS DOESN'T NEED, YOU KNOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          P GO AHEAD AND SORT OF ADD ON TO THAT. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT, WE'RE STARTING TO TICK OFF SOME OF THESE SIM PROJECTS. 
          WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DEVELOP A NEW ONE AND STICK IT AT THE BACK END? WHEN WILL WE, SO THAT, RIGHT, THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF 'EM, BUT HOW, HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? WHEN, WHEN DO WE, IT'S REALLY DURING THE BUDGETING PROCESS AS WE BUILD THE, THE CIP PORTION OF THAT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT DEFINITELY WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE QUEUE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S QUITE A BIT ALREADY IN THE QUEUE. 
          UM, AND WE CERTAINLY DO END UP COMING UP WITH NEW PROJECTS AS WE, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE SOME, WE'RE CONTINUING TO ANALYZE WHAT THE IMPACTS OF 
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THOSE ARE. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE LEARNING THAT OTHER NEW PROJECTS ARE NEEDED. 
          SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS. 
          AND SO, YEAH, DEFINITELY GOING THROUGH THAT, THAT BUDGETING PROCESS IS WHEN WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT. 
          THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, PETE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY BUDGETING PROCESS, IT'S ALSO MANPOWER TO DO WITH THE DESIGN AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BUDGET FOR YOU TO, TO DO THE DESIGN, BUT HOW MUCH STAFF DO YOU HAVE? AND YOU CAN FARM IT OUT, WHATEVER. 
          SO IT'S A WHOLE PROCESS HERE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THE MONEY. 
          DEFINITELY, YES. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KURT AND HIS, HIS GROUP WILL NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON THIS YEAR. 
          HE'LL HAVE ALL THE PROJECT MANAGERS LOOKING AT THEIR INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS AND PUTTING TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, UPDATED INFORMATION AND PUSHING THAT UP THROUGH KURT, YOU KNOW, TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? OH, MELISSA, SO TO SORT OF TAG ONTO WHAT YOU JUST ASKED, I WAS SAVING IT FOR THE END, BUT WE'LL GO, GO FOR NOW. 
          SO AS I SEEM TO RECALL EARLIER, YOU SAID ONE OF THE ISSUES YOU HAVE IS YOU DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE TO DO SOME OF THE WORK THAT YOU NEED TO DO ON SOME OF THE EARLIER PROJECTS, IF I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY. 
          FIRST, MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE UNFILLED POSITIONS, UM, IS THAT ALSO BECAUSE THERE ARE POSITIONS WE NEED OR SKILLS WE NEED THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE SORT OF IN THE, THE JOB QUEUE? WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WHAT YOUR DEPARTMENT AND NOT HAVING THE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED? UH, NO. 
          AND YES, , COULD YOU ELUCIDATE JUST A TADD MORE ? UM, WE, WE FINALLY FILLED OUR POSITIONS. 
          SO WHAT YOU WERE JUST DISCUSSING ABOUT WITH BRENDA AND HUMAN RESOURCES, WE WENT THROUGH THAT A SIX MONTH PROGRAM OF TRYING TO GET FULLY STAFFED. 
          I HAD TO DO AN INTERNAL PROMOTION, MOVE PEOPLE AROUND, WE'RE ACTIVELY MOVING PEOPLE AROUND TO GET THEM MORE INTO, UM, PROJECT MANAGEMENT TO DELIVER THESE PROJECTS AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN HOUSE. 
          IN REFERENCES TO ITEM FIVE, THE FUTURE ROUNDABOUT AT RANGER AND STATE ROUTE 89 A, WHEN YOU HAVE INSPECTORS AND OVERSIGHT, THEY HAVE TO MEET FEDERAL CRITERIA OF, UH, TESTING AND OVERSIGHT AND BUDGETING THAT FOLLOWS A DOTS, UH, PROJECT DELIVERY SYSTEM. 
          SO IT WOULD TAKE A BIG LIFT FOR ME TO HIRE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, TRAIN 'EM, MAKE SURE ALL MY INSPECTORS ARE ALL TESTED, UH, TO MEET ALL THE CRITERIA VERSUS JUST HIRING A THIRD PARTY TO COME IN AND DO IT. 
          AND THAT WAY WE COULD STILL OVERSEE IT, BUT THEN I'M NOT HAVING TO HIRE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND THEN KEEP THEM EMPLOYED FOR ALL THAT TIME. 
          SO IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WILL BE THE BEST FIT TO GET THE BEST VALUE FOR THE CITY AT THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          OKAY, KURT, SO TO MOVE ALONG, WE HAVE A, A LONG LI LONG LONG LIST. 
          SO CONTINUE ALONG. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, SO THE, AND THE SLIDE IS REALLY THIS, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK. 
          I, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK AND WALK DOWN THERE. 
          THEY'RE GOING FROM UNDERGROUND TO TRANSITIONING TO ABOVE GROUND. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE FOOTINGS IN PLACE. 
          THE WALLS ARE GOING UP, UM, AND THAT PROJECT IS MOVING ALONG. 
          THAT SHOULD BE DONE BY MAY OF THE NEXT YEAR. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          AND WE HOPE TO GET MOST OF ALL THE, UH, WORK THAT IT COULD BE IMPACTED BY THE OAK CREEK AND A SPRING FLOW TO BE ABOVE THAT. 
          SO THE STILL GOAL IS BY MARCH 1ST TO BE WORKING MORE IN THE HIGHLANDS UPLANDS AREA. 
          YES, YES. 
          JESSICA. 
          JESSICA, WHAT, COULD YOU JUST QUICKLY TELL ME WHAT THE ENT, WHAT, HOW MUCH EFFORT IS IT SPENT ON THE ENTRANCES TO THE, TO THE UNDERPASS? UM, ARE THEY, IS THERE ART THERE, IS THERE WHAT? IS THERE SOMETHING THERE THAT MAKES IT AN ATTRACTION FOR PEOPLE TO GO THERE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS STILL TO BE DONE? OH YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'LL BE DONE AT THE END OF THE, THE PROJECT. 
          IT, YEAH. 
          UH, HAS THAT BEEN DESIGNED? OH YEAH. 
          IT'S ALL FULLY DESIGNED, THE WATER WHEEL AND THE INTERPRETIVE STATION. 
          MAYBE I COULD COME BY AND TAKE, IF YOU HAVE A RENDITION OF THAT, PLEASE, I'LL COME BY AND SEE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU, KURT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FIRST FOR THE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE TOUCHING, UH, THE GROUND UNDERNEATH SO THAT IT, THAT COULD ALL BE DONE, ALL THE, ALL THE CON COULD BE DONE BEFORE THE, UH, THE THAW OF SPRINGTIME FROM THE RAPIDS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THE PROJECT REALLY HAD TO WORK FOCUSING DOWN THERE UNDER THE, UM, WITHIN THAT ORDINARY HIGH WATERMARK. 
          AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT DELAYED THROUGH THE, UM, NONDEGRADATION PERMIT AND, AND SO ON ALL THESE DISCOVERIES SO THAT WE'RE OVER NOW, AND NOW ALL OF OUR, UH, SUB GROUND WORK, WHICH IS PART OF THE FOUNDATION PERMEATED GR 
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SO NOW WE'RE GETTING OUR FOOTINGS AND RETAINING WALLS. 
          AND SO MOVING FORWARD INTO NEXT YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY SEE FORMS AND ACTUALLY THESE RETAINING WALLS COMING UP AND IT WILL TAKE A LOT MORE SHAPE, JUST LIKE OUR FOREST PROJECT. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN THE LAST, IS THIS THE RANGER AUXILIARY LANE? WE'RE STILL IN THE STUDY PHASE ON THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S THE MERGE LANE ONTO, UM, 1 7 9. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE 11, THAT WOULD BE THAT KIND OF RIGHT HAND TURN LANE. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE WANT LIKE TO GET ALL OF THE OTHER BIG BYPASS ONES AND ONCE THAT'S CONSTRUCTED, SO RIGHT NOW I'M GONNA MOVE THAT FLOAT TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA SEE WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY AND WHERE IT BEST FITS IN WITHIN, UM, PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR. 
          COULD YOU SAVE THAT GRAPHIC AND SEND THAT TO THE COUNCIL? SURE. 
          THIS PARTICULAR 'CAUSE IT, IT'S REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR STEP BY STEP WHERE YOU'RE GOING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S JUST A SNAPSHOT TODAY. 
          THAT'S A SNAPSHOT TODAY. 
          YES. 
          I GET IT. 
          AS OF, UH, DECEMBER T 13TH, . 
          ALRIGHT, WELL MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS OUR DATE OF DASHBOARD TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO KURT'S BEEN A BIT BUSY AND HE'S NOT SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THIS DASHBOARD YET. 
          SO I'M GONNA SHOW THIS TO YOU GUYS. 
          I'VE BEEN WORK, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN ON DEVELOPING. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE A TOOL THAT WE USE TO HELP EXPLAIN WHERE WE'RE AT WITH SIM IN THE FUTURE. 
          LET'S SEE, THIS IS STILL IN DRAFT FORM. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY BETA. 
          WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT THE BUGS ON THIS. 
          AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING IT SET SO THAT WE CAN FULLY GET EVERYTHING READY TO GO AND THEN UPLOAD AND LINK EVERYTHING UP TOGETHER. 
          BUT WE'RE READY TO NOW SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          THE IDEA HERE IS ON THE FRONT PAGE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A TWO PAGE, UM, WEBSITE ON THE FRONT PAGE HERE. 
          YOU BASICALLY ARE JUST SEEING WHERE PROJECTS ARE. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME TRANSIT TYPE PROJECTS ON HERE. 
          AND THIS IS JUST FOR RIGHT NOW, IT'S INCLUDED AS, UH, A DISCUSSION, UM, POINT THAT WE, WE CAN WORK THROUGH JUST TO SEE HOW THIS THING IS WORKING. 
          ULTIMATELY, WE'RE, WE'RE INITIALLY NOT GONNA INCLUDE THESE TRANSIT ROUTES IN, IN THE PROJECTS JUST BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE WHAT THE BENEFIT TRAFFIC WISE IS. 
          NOW IN THE FUTURE, IT WILL BE OUR GOAL TO INCLUDE THOSE. 
          JUST TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT NOW WE'RE INCLUDING PROJECTS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST SIM, SIM ONE A WE CALLED IT, THAT WAS THE SOUTHBOUND UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS. 
          RIGHT NOW WITH, AGAIN, THIS, THIS FRONT PAGE IS JUST SHOWING LOCATION OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          NOW I'LL MOVE INTO, AND THERE'S A REALLY BRIEF DESCRIPTION FOR EACH AS WELL. 
          IF I GO INTO THE SECOND PAGE HERE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE LOCATION, BUT ALSO WHAT IT'S GONNA SHOW YOU IS THE ROUTE. 
          SO THE ROUTE THAT WE TRACK TRAVEL TIME AND DIFFERENT DATA ON, FOR INSTANCE, I'M RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT SOUTHBOUND UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS. 
          IT'S SHOWING EXISTING AS WELL AS POST DATA. 
          WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS TRAVEL TIME. 
          THESE ARE AVERAGE NUMBERS IN MINUTES OVER THIS RANGE. 
          SO FOR THIS ROUTE, UNFORTUNATELY IT PICKED THE EXISTING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID, WHICH WAS NOT A GREAT COMPARISON. 
          IF YOU'RE WANTING TO LOOK AT TRAVEL TIME, I COULD MOVE THIS BACK TO 2019 FOR INSTANCE, AND WE'D HAVE A, A BETTER COMPARISON OF TRAVEL TIME DATA BETWEEN, UH, EXISTING AND POST. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A PROJECTED, WHAT THIS IS, IS THAT'S OUR BM MODEL THAT'S PROJECTING WHAT TRAVEL TIME WILL BE ONCE THE, UH, ONCE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE. 
          SO IF I MOVE OVER TO, LET'S SEE, FOR INSTANCE, I'M GONNA PICK NORTHBOUND HERE REAL QUICK. 
          ANDY, IS THIS INTENDED TO BE COMMUNITY FACING OR IS THIS AN INTERNAL TOOL? YES, IT'S GONNA BE BOTH. 
          ONE OF THE FIRST, 
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ONE OF THE FIRST GOALS THAT WE HAVE IS IN THE NEXT SIM UPDATE, QUARTERLY UPDATE, WHICH IS PROBABLY GONNA BE AROUND FEBRUARY OR SO, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS READY TO ROLL SO THAT WHEN WE GIVE THE THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION, WE'RE REALLY MOVING THROUGH THE PROJECTS WITH THIS TOOL. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT AS A LINK FROM OUR WEBSITE SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN GO ON AND, AND MOVE THROUGH IT DYNAMICALLY AS WELL. 
          WE'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE SNAPSHOT DATA AND USE IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON OUR WEBSITE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S SO, SO ANDY, UM, YOU HAD JUST SAID ONCE THE IMPROVEMENTS, ONCE THE, THE TIME, ONCE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE, IS THAT THE IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR IS THAT THE IMPROVEMENT ONCE THE WHOLE, ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE? WELL, THE WAY THIS IS GONNA BE SET UP IS THAT WE CAN INDIVIDUALLY PICK ON LIKE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING ON, WHETHER THEY'RE COMPLETE FUTURE IN PROCESS. 
          OKAY, SO THEY'RE PROJECT SPECIFIC. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND INCREMENTALLY THEY BRING, AND ACTUALLY I'M GONNA GET TO THAT. 
          OH, YOU ARE, THANK YOU. 
          YES, YES. 
          SO LET ME JUST GO THROUGH, UH, PAGE TWO HERE REAL QUICKLY. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR INSTANCE, NORTHBOUND UPTOWN, IT'S DEFAULTING TO 89 A NORTHBOUND Y TO RAINBOW TROUT FARM. 
          YOU CAN ACTUALLY CHANGE THE ROUTE THAT IT LOOKS AT TRAVEL TIME ON HERE. 
          I CAN TAKE THAT OFF AND THEN I CAN LOOK AT, FOR INSTANCE, 1 79 CANYON TO THE Y AND YOU CAN SEE THROUGH OUR VIS VIS DATA THAT IT'S PROJECTING AND 10.5 MINUTES ON THAT ROUTE. 
          ON A, ON THIS, THIS AVERAGE TIME. 
          I TAKE THAT BACK ON VIM, THAT'S BASED ON A CONGESTION EVENT THAT WE ANALYZE THROUGH OUR VIM SOFTWARE. 
          WHEREAS THESE TRAVEL, TRACTION TRAVEL TIME DATA, THEY ARE BASED ON THIS AVERAGE OVER WHAT YOU SELECT. 
          SO I CAN, I CAN GO UP HERE AND I CAN CHANGE THE TIMES THAT I'M LOOKING AT. 
          FOR INSTANCE, ULTIMATELY WE WOULD LIKE THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO GET IN HERE, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PUBLIC, PUBLIC SITE AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, WELL I, I JUST EXPERIENCED LAST MONTH THIS CONGESTION EVENT. 
          AND LET THEM BE ABLE TO PICK THOSE TIMEFRAMES AND SEE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE EVENTUALLY, YOU DON'T SEE IT RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE IT'S NOT UPLOADED YET. 
          BUT ON THIS SIDE OF THIS GRAPH IS VOLUME, TRAFFIC VOLUME. 
          SO WE CAN SEE THAT IN RELATION TO TRA UH, TRAVEL TIME. 
          SO THE, WE CAN TAKE DIFFERENT EVENTS AND SEE WHAT OUR TRAVEL TIME WAS WITH, WITH, UH, COMPARISON TO THE, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC. 
          AND THEN DOWN HERE YOU'RE JUST SEEING ANOTHER VERSION OF WHAT THIS TRAVEL TIME LOOKS LIKE. 
          I, I WANT TO GET THESE GUYS TO, UH, HAVE THIS GRAPH DEFAULT TO SOMETHING MUCH LOWER ON THE Y AXIS HERE SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK SO FLAT. 
          SO THESE ARE JUST LITTLE THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT. 
          UM, LOOKING AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          BACK AT VIM, LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A EXISTING, UH, TRAVEL TIME DURATION OF 10.5 MINUTES TO, UH, A VIM MODEL, UH, PROJECTING 4.4 MINUTES ONCE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          SO YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR DATA SOURCES UP HERE. 
          RIGHT NOW I'M THINKING THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          FOR INSTANCE, THEY'RE NOT, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, GONNA KNOW WHICH DATA SOURCE THEY WANT. 
          THIS IS MORE OF A INTERNAL THING THAT WE WOULD USE. 
          YOU CAN ALSO CHANGE WHAT DAYS YOU'RE LOOK, YOU'RE WANTING TO LOOK AT WITHIN YOUR TIMEFRAME. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          I'LL GIVE JUST A QUICK EXAMPLE. 
          ACTUALLY, I WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS ONE. 
          THIS IS WHERE THAT VOLUME DATA COMES IN. 
          SO OVER IN WEST SEDONA, WE DO HAVE VOLUME DATA THAT'S SHOWING UP IN THE SYSTEM ALREADY. 
          AND THEN WHAT ELSE DID I WANT TO SHOW? SO ANOTHER THING THAT I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE KIMLEY HORN WORK ON AND HAVE COMPLETE BY THE TIME WE BRING THIS BACK TO YOU IS A THIRD PAGE. 
          ON THAT THIRD PAGE, WHAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS TAKE A COLLECTIVE LOOK 
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AT WHERE YOU CAN SELECT A PROJECT AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE TRAVEL TIME SAVINGS IS NOT ON THE ROUTE, BUT ON THE SYSTEM. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAME IN AUGUST, WE SHOWED A GRAPH GOING PROJECT BY PROJECT AT WHAT THE, THE SAVINGS WAS IN RELATION TO THAT PROJECT. 
          AND THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM. 
          IT WASN'T TALKING ABOUT A ROUTE OR A SEGMENT. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE, THE SYSTEM OVERALL. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SYSTEM PAGE THAT LOOKS AT THE DATA AS WELL. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON PUTTING TOGETHER. 
          ANDY, WHEN YOU DO A POSTING FOR THE PUBLIC, WILL THERE BE ANY KIND OF NOTIFICATION THAT THIS WILL NOT SOLVE TRAFFIC? THIS WILL HELP MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC? I I DON'T WANNA SET THE EXPECTATION TOO HIGH THAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING THAT THIS IS GONNA SOLVE ALL THE ILLS AND, AND MOS OF OUR TRAFFIC. 
          YEAH, I MEAN ESPECIALLY WHEN OUR CANYON IS, YOU KNOW, TWO LANES AND IT'S ALWAYS GONNA STATE, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE TWO LANES. 
          I, I THINK IT WOULDN'T HURT TO PUT, REMIND EVERYONE WHAT THE GOAL OF SIM SIM WAS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           INCLUDING EVERY STRATEGY THAT CAME OUT OF IT AND TRANSIT INCLUDED THAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON FIRST REMOVING BOTTLENECKS, RIGHT? AND THEN MANAGING TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION WITH MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS. 
          AND UH, SO THAT MEANS THINGS LIKE TRANSIT REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON, UH, CONGESTED EVENTS. 
          UM, WORST TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, UH, LEVELS LIKE THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          THAT'S WHY THOSE PROGRAMS AND THE, THE, THE VISION OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO REDUCE CONGESTION AND MANAGE IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THOSE PROGRAMS ARE FOCUSED ON THE BUSIEST TIMES OF THE, OF THE WEEK AND BUSIEST TIMES OF THE YEAR. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I KNOW THAT WE DO, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, THAT THEY SEEM TO KNOW MORE. 
          THEY THINK THEY KNOW MORE THAN SOME EXPERTS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THEY HAVE A VERY HIGH BAR OF EXPECTATION AND THEY, THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND LET THEM SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT BEING DONE BEHIND THE SCENES. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BRING THEIR EXPECTATION MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT'S THE, THE REALITY OF WHAT'S BEING DONE. 
          Y YES. 
          AND, AND WE'RE REALLY WORKING TO TRY TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS. 
          OH, I KNOW YOU ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF WE FOCUS THESE PROGRAMS ON THE WRONG TIME OF THE YEAR, THE WRONG TIME OF THE WEEK, IT'S NOT ADDRESSING WHAT THE GOAL OF THE PROGRAM IS. 
          GREAT. 
          SO PETE, YOU HAD SOMETHING? YEAH, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU ANDY. 
          I'M JUST REACTIVE THINKING THROUGH THE COMMENT YOU MADE ABOUT LIKE THE DATA SOURCE AND PERHAPS THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH INFORMATION. 
          IS IT YOUR INTENT THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BIFURCATE WHEN YOU DO CLEANUP LIKE THIS TO AN INTERNAL VERSION THAT HAS MORE OPTIONS AND AN EXTERNAL ONE THAT HAS LESS? OR WOULD YOU GO MORE THE DIRECTION OF PICKING A DEFAULT, HAVING A MORE DETAILED TA, YOU KNOW, AND THEN A WAY TO GET TO THAT LEVEL? JUST THINKING THROUGH THE KIND OF OPEN DATA ACCESS PHILOSOPHY? I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE US KIND OF CLEAN UP THE INTERFACE BUT STILL HAVE THAT BE THE ONE MODEL THAT IS USED INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY. 
          AND FOR THOSE THAT REALLY WANNA DIG INTO THIS THING, THEY COULD GET INTO THE DEEPER SCREENS. 
          BUT WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? WELL, ONE CONSIDERATION IS THAT, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T EVEN USE THE GOOGLE DATA NOW. 
          SO DO WE NEED THAT FOR THE INTERNAL VERSION? MAYBE, MAYBE SOMETIMES. 
          'CAUSE WHAT THIS IS BASED ON IS A WHOLE TRACTION PLATFORM THAT RUNS SEPARATELY FROM THIS. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, ONCE WE GET IT ALL SET UP, IT BECOMES AUTOMATED. 
          AND REALLY OUR STAFF NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE D DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES AND CHECK THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR. 
          BUT FOR THE PUBLIC, I WOULDN'T WANT TO GIVE THEM DATA THAT ISN'T SUPER ACCURATE THAT THEY'RE GONNA RELY ON AND END UP GETTING, UH, AN IMPRESSION THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO IF I'M, IF WE'RE NOT THERE TO HOLD THEIR HAND THROUGH THE DATA, THEN THEY'RE GONNA GET INFORMATION THAT THEY MIGHT BE RELYING ON AND SHOULDN'T BE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S JUST ONE CONCERN. 
          SO IS THAT SAYING THAT YOU ARE ENVISION IT MOVING TO SOMETHING THAT'S AN INTERNAL TOOL AND SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S AN EXTERNAL TOOL? AND THE PROBLEM THAT COMES UP WITH THAT IS THAT NOW INTERNALLY YOU WON'T BE USING THE EXTERNAL TOOL VERY MUCH AND WE CAN FIND PROBLEMS 
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WITH THAT WAY AS WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PAYING AS MUCH ATTENTION TO THE EXTERNAL VERSION NOW. 
          OH, RIGHT. 
          UM, STATIC. 
          WELL, I I THINK ULTIMATELY IF WE HAD IT SET UP THAT WAY, I DON'T, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT YET, BUT IF IT WERE SET UP THAT WAY, THE ULTIMATE END TAKEAWAY FROM THE INFORMATION SHOULD BE THE SAME. 
          AND WE DO HAVE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, LIKE WITH THE TRASH TRACTION DATA FOR INSTANCE, WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A LINK THAT'S BROKEN AND WE START LOSING DATA AND IT TOOK, TAKES OUR STAFF GOING IN AND LOOKING AT IT AND GOING, OH HEY, TURN THAT BACK ON. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF AN EXAMPLE SPEAKING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHERE, UM, WE DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF KEEPING TRACK OF EVERYTHING CORRECTLY. 
          LIKE THE, THE, FOR INSTANCE, THE PUBLIC'S LOOKING AT THIS DATA SET AND IT'S GOT INCORRECT INFORMATION AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE AND NOW THEY'RE NOT JIVING. 
          UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE OF A MATTER OF, THERE'S MORE TO LOOK AT IN THE INTERNAL VERSION THAN WHAT'S IN THE EXTERNAL. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO KNOW WHAT'S TRAVEL TIME LOOKING LIKE IN THIS CORRIDOR, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT IN BOTH VERSIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT IT, IT DOES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT LAUNCHING OPEN DATA PROJECTS IN THE CITY. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE I REALLY WANT TO GO THERE, BUT IT IS MY PHILOSOPHY THAT OPEN DATA ACCESS IS, IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, TO ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SPENDING STAFF TIME TO LOOK AT THE DATA AND IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT AND NOW WE HAVE AN ANOMALY, WE REMOVE THAT DATA. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE BEST AVERAGE DATA THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY CAN FOR US TO INTERNAL AND ANALYZE AND THEN USE THAT TO UPLOAD. 
          SO, SO BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T TALKING WITH KIMBERLY HORN WITH ME, ONE THING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO BRING IN ACCIDENT DATA HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS A CONGESTION EVENT ON THIS DAY. 
          OH YEAH. 
          OH, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT YOU CAN QUALIFY THAT ISSUE. 
          SO YEAH, THE USER COULD GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, IT WAS TERRIBLE ON THIS DAY. 
          AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY THEN PULL THAT UP AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A REFERENCE THEN THAT THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT AT THIS LOCATION. 
          SO, IS ACCIDENT MORE PREVALENT THAN JUST VOLUME? BECAUSE I'VE SEEN VOLUME GOING UP TO THE CANYON, IT JUST CAN'T SUSTAIN THAT AMOUNT. 
          AND THAT'S CAUSING THE BACKUP ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM. 
          WE, WE DEFINITELY SEE MO UH, BOTH, BUT A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU SEE A REALLY HIGH CONGESTION EVENT, IT'S BECAUSE OF AN ACCIDENT OR, OR SOME SORT OF ANOMALY LIKE THAT. 
          NOT JUST, NOT JUST A HIGH VOLUME. 
          OKAY. 
          USUALLY. 
          GREAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE POINT? OKAY, THEN LET'S, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT TO GO OVER. 
          WE A LOT OF COVER. 
          YEAH. 
          TWO AND A HALF QUARTER HOURS INTO THIS WILL HELP US ALSO WHEN WE'RE PRESENTING TO THE PUBLIC TO ACTUALLY SHOW IT'S SHOW, SHOW THEM THE DATA WHEN WE'RE MEETING WITH THE CITIZENS AND SO ON. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          CONTINUE ON NOW. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          IS THAT IT FOR YOU? YEAH. 
          NO, THERE'S ONE MORE BEHIND ON. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, ONGOING PROJECTS TO COMPLETED BY JUNE 30TH, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SIM ONE B DONE. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE WORKING NIGHT AND DAY TO GET THAT MARCH 1ST, UM, DEADLINE ON, THAT'S THE UPTOWN THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UH, TO THAT LEFT HAND TURN ON FOREST SIM FOUR C, THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, 1 79 CROSSING. 
          THAT'LL BE DONE. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, ANYTHING IN, UH, BY MARCH 1ST TO GET OUT OF ANY HIGH WATER FLOW CONDITIONS IN THE CREEK. 
          UM, AGAIN, THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY MAY. 
          UM, UH, THEN SIM 11 OH IS STATE ROUTE 1 79, SIGNING AND STRIPING. 
          WE HOPE TO MOVE THAT ON HERE QUICKLY. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SEVEN 11 M DRY CREEK ROAD. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S THE NUMBER TWO SHARED USE PATH. 
          UH, SANDY'S HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME OTHER SPEED TABLES WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN SIM 11 Q IS THE SHELBY ROAD. 
          TWO SHOULD ALL BE DONE BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THEN I WANTED JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE BREWER ROAD SHARE USE PATH. 
          WE'RE HOPING IT'LL BE COMPLETED BY, UM, JULY. 
          IF WE GET, UM, REALLY TRACTION ON THAT. 
          IT COULD BE DONE BY END OF JUNE. 
          SO I WANTED TO THROW THAT IN THERE TOO. 
          KURT, ARE YOU HAVE THE, UH, PHASE TWO OF THE NEVADA SUP BUILT IN? YEAH, WE WE'RE PLANNING TO WORK ON THAT. 
          THAT WON'T GET COMPLETED BY THIS JUNE 30TH. 
          NO, NO. 
          I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          OH, YES. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE PUSHING ON THAT. 
          WE HAVE TO WORK WITH A PS AND STATE LANDS 
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AND THERE'S EASEMENT ACCESS ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH THEM. 
          KURT, WHERE ARE YOU WITH THE NEW ROUNDABOUT ON 89 8 AT THE BASE OF THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION AND THE, THE NEW ROAD BEHIND THE PROPOSED TRANSIT. 
          YEAH, WE'RE AT 60% DESIGN BY JUNE. 
          WE SHOULD BE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES WITH THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ON HERE. 
          SO WELL YEAH, THAT'S, THIS IS JUST TO BE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION WISE. 
          SO WE'RE STILL IN THE DESIGN PHASE. 
          I'M OKAY, JESSICA. 
          SO IN TERMS OF THE VODI TWO, THE ISSUES THAT YOU RAISED, YOU DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THEY CAN'T BE RESOLVED AND THE PROJECT DONE NEXT YEAR? I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING TO BE OPTIMISTIC, BUT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH STATE LAWYERS AND SO I KNOW THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, SO THE ANSWER IS YOU DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GONNA BE, AS YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE PRIOR, THE, THE LOCK ALAK QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE ARE ISSUES THAT AT THIS POINT CANNOT BE RESOLVED OR DON'T APPEAR TO BE BEING RESOLVED AND ARE DIFFICULT. 
          IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S JUST A QUESTION OF PUSHING THE AGENCIES AND IT'LL GET DONE? OR IS THIS A QUESTION WHERE THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE INVOLVED THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT HARD WITH VODI TOO? YES. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST PUSHING THE OTHER OKAY. 
          THANK, THANK ENTITIES THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH A PS AND STATE AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          DID, YEAH. 
          CAN I ADD THAT? YES. 
          UM, WE ALREADY HAVE AP S'S SUPPORT. 
          THEY'VE, UM, SUBMITTED TO STATE LAND. 
          SO THE HOLDUP RIGHT NOW IS REALLY STATE LAND. 
          UM, AND THERE'S ALREADY A POWER CORRIDOR, SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF IF IT'S WHEN THAT POWER CORRIDOR CORRIDOR EASEMENT WILL BE IN PLACE. 
          AN A P PSS HAS ALREADY SAID THAT THEY WILL ALLOW US TO, SO IT'S STATE LAND RIGHT NOW WHERE IT'S, IT'S SITTING, THANK YOU. 
          GET IN LINE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN FACILITATE THAT. 
          SO, UM, TRYING TO COME TO THE END HERE, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, UH, OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FINANCIAL IMPACTS FOR THIS, UH, COMING FISCAL YEAR. 
          OUR DASHBOARD, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS JUST THE KIND OF THE MODEL WE'D LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT AND TO MOVE THAT AS AN EDUCATION OUTREACH. 
          UM, THE UP DOWN PARKING, THESE ARE THE IDENTIFIED ITEMS THAT YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP AT THE STUDY WAS CREATING A MANAGER COORDINATOR FOR PARKING IN UPTOWN. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA DEVELOPING AN EMPLOYEE PARKING PLAN, THE GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY DEMAND BASE FREE PROGRAM, THAT'S GONNA BE VERY TECHNICAL. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERTISE. 
          UM, AND THAT IS EMERGING TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKING FORWARD AND, AND GETTING SOMEONE WHO HAS THAT EXPERTISE, UM, AND FINALIZE AND CONSOLIDATING, UH, EXISTING PARKING PLAN WITH NON-RESIDENT RESTRICTIONS ALREADY SCOPING IDEAS AND SO ON. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE PLAN, COME UP WITH IT, GET YOUR, YOUR GUYS' BUY-IN AND, AND OF COURSE THE PUBLIC'S. 
          AND THEN, UM, RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE FACING WITH, UH, OVERTIME. 
          IF I, I DON'T HIRE MORE, UH, MAINTENANCE OR INSPECTOR STAFF, UH, TWO MAINTENANCE, TWO CUSTODIAL AND A FACILITY, THEN I'M GONNA BE SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME ISSUING OVERTIME, KEEPING UP WITH THE FACILITIES WE HAVE, UM, COMING ONLINE AND IN THE FUTURE. 
          THOSE ARE THOSE, UH, YOU'LL SEE THROUGH THE BUDGET REQUESTS. 
          I DO, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, KURT. 
          THE, UH, THE LINE ITEM ON, UH, GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY, I KNOW WITH, UH, A COUPLE OTHER COUNSELORS WERE A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR ON WHAT OUR CONSENSUS ULTIMATELY REALLY WAS OR IS ON GETTING SOMETHING DEPLOYED FOR THAT, BASICALLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ON THE EXISTING LOTS THAT WE'RE USING AND START GETTING SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. 
          SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT YOUR INTENT IS AT THIS TIME ON THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM IN TERMS OF TIMING? UM, WE CAN TRY TO MOVE THIS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE TO DO THIS WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          WE'D HAVE TO THEN, MM-HMM. 
          NO, WE DON'T HAVE BUDGET FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEVELOP A PLAN ON, ON WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A PROJECT THAT OUTLINES WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT FOR FISCAL 25, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          FOR 25, IF THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED UP, I NEED DIRECTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY EXPECTATION THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING IN FISCAL 24 WHEN IT'S NOT BUDGETED. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT SO 25, YES, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL PROPOSE 
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IT IN THIS EIP, BUT WE STILL GOTTA MOVE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, SO THAT'LL BE OUR INTENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR JUSTICE FIRST. 
          SO YOU'VE, YOU ARE MOVING AHEAD WITH, WITH, WITH THIS AS A PROJECT. 
          UM, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING INCLUDING AREAS WHICH WE KNOW THAT WHEN THE PARKING GARAGE IS DONE, WE WILL MOST LIKELY, UH, DISUSE, ARE YOU THINKING OF IMPLE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE COMPLETION OF THE GARAGE IS A WHILE DOWN THE ROAD, ARE YOU THINKING OF INSTALLING IT IN THE LOTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY NOT HAVE CONTRACTS WITH ANYMORE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T DECIDED YET? YEAH, WE DO THAT THROUGH THE PLAN. 
          SO THE PLAN WOULD THEN INCORPORATE WHAT OUR, OUR AMBITION, OUR OBJECTIVES, OUR KNOWNS AND UNKNOWNS, AND TRY TO COME UP WITH THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING INCORPORATING TECHNOLOGY AND SMART TECHNOLOGY WAY, FINDING ALL THAT WHAT'S AVAILABLE. 
          AND THEN WE'D COME BACK TO YOU WITH WHAT THAT PLAN WOULD ENTAIL FOR FURTHER DIRECTION. 
          BUT IF WE KNOW THERE ARE LOCATIONS, RIGHT, 4 0 1 JORDAN ONE COMES TO MIND THAT WE WILL BE ELIMINATING, YES. 
          WE WOULD NOT INVEST. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING. 
          I DIDN'T ASK IT QUITE THAT WELL, THANK YOU. 
          KATHY, DID YOU OH, PETE GOES, THE VICE MAYOR WAS UP, SO, UH, MINE IS GONNA BE NOT ON THIS SUBJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT YOU INDICATED, ARE YOU GOING TO BE COMING IN WITH A REQUEST FOR FY 25? YES. 
          SO THAT'S, YES. 
          1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5 PLUS ADDITIONAL STAFF? YES. 
          AND THAT'S NOT BUDGETED, THAT'S NOT IN THE FORECAST THAT WE SAW THIS MORNING. 
          SO WHAT SHERRY PLUGGED INTO THE FORECAST WERE SCENARIOS FOR ONE TIME, UM, ADDITIONAL DECISION PACKAGES AND ONGOING DECISION PACKAGES. 
          SO I HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR, WE'RE JUST KICKING OFF THE BUDGET PROCESS, SO, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ALL IS OUT THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT STAFF REQUESTS WILL BE COMING THROUGH, BUT IT IS PART OF OUR PROCESS WHEN WE BALANCE THE BUDGET TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE FUND AND WHAT HAS TO WAIT OR, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE RESOURCE CONCERNS THAT AREN'T COMMITTING TO FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND PERPETUITY. 
          SO WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH ALL THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY AS IT'S TIED TO THINGS THAT ARE COUNCIL PRIORITIES TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL A HEADS UP ON WHAT SOME OF THE RESOURCE NEEDS ARE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST HOLD ON, REPEAT THE COMM MAYOR. 
          UH, JUST A STATUS QUESTION, SINCE THIS PAGE IS UP, OUR FUTURE GARAGE SITE LOCATION POTENTIAL, WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL THAT, WE WERE PROCESSING THAT TO OPEN AS A GRAVEL LOT, ARE WE STILL, AND WHEN MIGHT THAT HAPPEN? I, I COULD MAYBE TRY TO  TO SPEAK TO THAT. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          AND THAT, SO IF OUR TIMING TO FINALIZE DESIGN AND COME BACK WITH A GMP MM-HMM. 
           IS POTENTIALLY SPRINGTIME AND YOU ALL, THE PRICE IS REASONABLE, WE CAN PAY FOR IT WITH USER FEES AND WE MOVE FORWARD, IT WOULD NOT BE PRUDENT TO BUILD A GRAVEL LOT NOW AND POTENTIALLY BY NEXT SUMMER BE BREAKING GROUND AND HAVING TO EXCAVATE THAT LOWER LEVEL. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE PROCEED WITH THAT BUILD OUT UNTIL AT LEAST SPRING WHEN COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE. 
          IS IT, IS IT A GO? NO GO ON THE, ON THE GARAGE PROJECT. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          MELISSA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? IT'S, IT'S JUST A LITTLE THING SO I CAN LIKE, UM, POKE AT KURT. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THE LAST LINE AT THE BOTTOM. 
          THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING EARLIER, THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THE STAFF THAT WE NEED IN ORDER FOR US TO GO FORWARD. 
          UM, AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME FOR US TO UNDERSTAND AS A COUNCIL, WHAT WE REALLY ARE GOING TO NEED IN ORDER FOR US TO BE EFFECTIVE WHEN WE, UM, MOVE THIS. 
          BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU RECRUIT THOSE PEOPLE, YOU STILL HAVE A RAMP UP TIME AND YOU STILL HAVE LEARNING 
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TIME. 
          AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A DRAIN BOTH ON EXISTING STAFF AND ON THE NEW PEOPLE AS WELL. 
          SO I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE SAY WE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF IN ORDER TO DO THESE PROJECTS, THERE WILL BE SOME DELAY IN US BEING ABLE TO GET THESE PROJECTS EFFECTIVELY DONE. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. 
          IT'S JUST THAT WE NEED TO RAISE THAT AWARENESS SO THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IT WILL NOT BE DONE TOMORROW. 
          AND IF WE HIRE THESE PEOPLE, IT WON'T BE DONE THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW. 
          SO, UM, SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS IN. 
          AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POKE YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING EARLIER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU ARE WELCOME. 
          I THINK THE LAST SLIDE I HAVE HERE, NOPE, I STILL HAVE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE OTHER, OH YEAH, THIS IS THE PAVEMENT PRE PROGRAM. 
          IT'S SEPARATE THAN OUR SIM BUT I HAVE THEIR FLOOR. 
          SO I WANTED TO PRESENT THIS. 
          OUR CURRENT BUDGET IS $1.3 MILLION. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS IN ALL OUR COSTS THAT WE'RE COMING BACK, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK OUT FOR THE JOCK CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE PAYING, IT'S ABOUT $14,000 PER LINEAR MILE FOR THE TOTAL CITY, WHICH IS, UH, 10,000 IS, IS DEFINITELY THE LOW BAR. 
          20,000 IS THE HIGH BAR, UH, TYPICALLY IN ARIZONA FOR COMMUNITIES ABOUT THE SIZE. 
          UM, AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO, UH, PRESENT UP HERE IS THAT I'M GONNA ASK TO GO TO 2 MILLION AT THAT $21,000, UH, UM, FEE FOR THE PAYMENT PRES PROJECTS FOR US TO KEEP UP WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT ALSO THEN TRY TO RAISE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THE RESIDENCES HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT TELLING ME OF OUR PAVEMENT PRES PROGRAM. 
          UM, BUT THEN IT'S ALSO TRYING TO ADJUST WITH, UH, INCREASED, UM, INFLATION, THE, UM, THE RESTRICTED, YOU KNOW, OF THE TREATMENT OBJECTIVES, UM, TRYING TO GET THAT PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX HIGHER THAN WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY AT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          GO AHEAD, JESSICA. 
          GO AHEAD, JESSICA. 
          FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IT'S, I, I TOOK TO MEAN THAT YOU WERE GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF MILES THAT YOU WANTED TO DO. 
          NO, NO. 
          THIS IS JUST TRYING TO KEEP WITH THE CURRENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO THE 2 MILLION WOULD KEEP WITH THE CURRENT PLAN, BUT YOU MADE REFERENCE TO IMPROVING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          UM, DID THAT, THAT DID NOT MEAN MORE ROADWAYS DONE THEN WHAT DID THAT MEAN? NO, IT JUST STAYING WITH OUR CURRENT PLAN, BUT THEN ALSO HAVING MORE ABILITY TO, INSTEAD OF JUST DOING A FOG SEAL, DO A SAND SEAL. 
          I SEE. 
          SO IT'S A BETTER, INSTEAD OF JUST DOING A FAST, IT'S A BETTER QUALITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S NOT MORE MILEAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          AND PAVEMENT PRESERVATION, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO INVEST IN YOUR GOOD ROADS. 
          IT'S CALLED, YOU KNOW, FAIL FAST OR IF YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT'S BEYOND REPAIR, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE GOOD MONEY AND INVEST IN TRYING AND THAT YOU NEED TO PROBABLY REBUILD IT. 
          AND THE MORE THAT I'M HERE, WE FIND OUT WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER ROADS THAT WERE SUBSTANDARD IN THE VERY, IN THE BEGINNING THAT REALLY THE CITY TOOK OVER. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE DOING AS MUCH AS WE CAN NOW ON TRYING TO DO AS MUCH VALUE AS WE CAN, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET TO A POINT IN TIME SOON OF WHETHER WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A WHOLE REHAB PROJECT AND THAT'S GONNA BURN THE WHOLE BUDGET. 
          BUT IS THE, IF DOING A NEW ROAD IS NOT HERE, IS IT, IT'S NOT IN THE NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S CIP THIS IS FROM OUR GENERAL BUDGET. 
          AND FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THEN, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A BETTER JOB ON THE PRESERVATION SO THAT IT DOESN'T FALL INTO THE NEW ROAD NEED. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M TRYING TO SPEND MONEY FROM THE GENERAL OPERATION FUND, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO A CIP FUND. 
          PETE AND BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          VERY SIMILAR LINES. 
          UH, MY QUESTION TO THAT, THAT'S A 50% INCREASE, WHICH MAKES ME SCARED THAT PERHAPS SHERRY DIDN'T BUILD IN ENOUGH INFLATION OR WHATEVER SHE BUILDS IN THE FUTURE. 
          HOW MUCH OF THAT 50% IS THE COST INCREASING? AND HOW MUCH IS IT THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE INCREASING? I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS ROUND IT UP TO A GOOD NUMBER OF THAT 20,000, UM, PER LINEAR MILE FOR OUR ROADS FOR THIS TIME TO GET US TO THAT POINT WHERE I THINK THE CITY OF SEDONA, YOU FOLKS AND THE RESIDENTS WANT THE PROGRAM TO BE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I'M PRESENTING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I ADD, SO EVERY, EVERY, UH, TYPICALLY ONE TO THREE YEARS, WE GO THROUGH AND DO THIS, WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT PCI CONDITION ASSESSMENT. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS FOR OUR OVERALL NETWORK OF STREETS, AND WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THAT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL. 
          SO WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT IMPROVING 
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OUR STREETS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT ADDING A LEVEL OF SERVICE TO WHAT WE DO. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTAINING OUR, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          I HOPE THAT HELPS. 
          YEAH, IT, IT, IT DOES HELP. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU, AS A ROAD CYCLIST AROUND HERE, I'M A FAN OF IMPROVING OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE OF OUR ROADS. 
          UH, AND SO SHERRY, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SEE US TAKE THE STEP THAT WE ARE, BUT AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE SEEING A 50% INCREASE IN THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. 
          AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT I HEARD SHERRY SAY THAT SHE WAS PREPARED FOR THAT KIND OF INCREASE IN OUR BUDGETS. 
          SHERRY, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? UH, YEAH. 
          SO, SO SOME OF, LIKE THE ONE TIME THINGS, THE WAY THE THE FORECAST MODEL WORKS, IT'S BETTER TO PUT THINGS THAT OVER THE LONG HAUL, OVER THE LONG RANGE. 
          IT'S A CERTAIN PERCENT TRYING TO GET THINGS FROM LIKE ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT OF, WELL, THIS YEAR, AND THEN IT'S GONNA TAPER OFF. 
          AND, UM, SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, IN THE HISTORICAL AMOUNT IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PROGRAM WORKS, ONE ONE YEAR, WE'LL DO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MILES. 
          THE NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE MORE MILES. 
          THE NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE FEWER MILES. 
          SO THIS IS AVERAGING IT ALL OUT. 
          SO I, I THINK IT'S ADEQUATE AND WE HAVE SUFFICIENT BALANCES FOR OKAY. 
          FOR THIS AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAP, PAIGE? YOU DONE? YES. 
          OKAY, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, KURT, THE LAST THREE BULLETS ALL REFER TO WHAT ULTIMATELY DEGRADES THE PAVEMENT AND SEEING THE THREE SEPARATE GARBAGE COLLECTION VEHICLES AT THAT LAST BULLET'S ACTUALLY IN LARGER FONT OR SOMETHING. 
          UH, DUNNO IF THAT WAS INTENTIONAL OR NOT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUT OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR WHY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DETERIORATION. 
          HOW MUCH DOES THE THREE DIFFERENT TRASH VENDORS PLAY A ROLE IN THE BREAKDOWN OF PAVEMENT? IT'S MY OPINION, IT'S PROBABLY THE, THE HIGHEST REASON. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE HIGHER ACTUAL LOADS ON PAVEMENT, IT DETERIORATES OVER TIME. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT NATIONALLY WHAT DETERIORATES ROADS, IT'S THE AXLE WEIGHT. 
          SO THOSE HIGHER INDUSTRIAL TRUCKS ON THAT ACTUAL POINT LOAD CREATE MORE STRESS AND STRAIN ON PAVEMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS A GENERAL, HAS BEEN A GENERAL LACK OF INTEREST IN TACKLING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THREE TRASH VENDORS IN TOWN, BUT I STILL THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DRIVING TO, UH, ONE SOLUTION. 
          I MEAN, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS, I WOULD THINK, UH, AMONGST OTHER REASONS. 
          SO WOULD LOVE TO SEE US TACKLE THAT AT SOME POINT. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          MAYOR, WITH REGARD TO SUSTAINABILITY GOALS, HAVE YOU BUILT IN AT ALL, I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, COOL PAVEMENT AS AN OPTION FOR RESURFACING. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, UM, IN THE PAST. 
          WE'RE REALLY NOT AT A POINT OF BEING READY TO ADOPT THAT NECESSARILY. 
          THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT, UH, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO OVERCOME ONE. 
          UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TOWARDS A VERY LIGHT COLOR COLORED PAVEMENT, UM, WE DO HAVE SNOW HERE, WE HAVE ICE, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR SNOW REMOVAL EFFORT? I THINK WE'D NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN AESTHETIC OFFSET THAT MIGHT BE A CONCERN FOR OUR, FOR OUR, UH, OUR RED, OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, DEFINITELY ANYTHING LIGHT, EVEN OUR RED, WHEN WE HAVE RED CONCRETE, A LOT OF TIMES IT ENDS UP RED SLASH BLACK BECAUSE OF BLACK TIRES, RIGHT? SO IF IT WAS FULLY WHITE, NOT SURE THAT WOULD LOOK VERY GOOD. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO THEORIES OUT THERE THAT THE HEAT THEM EFFECT IS ACTUALLY NOT NECESSARILY BETTER WITH WHITE PAVEMENT. 
          SO I, I THINK THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE GOOD WITH, UM, BEFORE WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THAT INTO OUR PROGRAM. 
          AND IT COST WOULD NOT BE A A, A SMALL CONSIDERATION EITHER, BRYCE, JUST NOT NOW, BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? OR IF YOU AREN'T PREPARED TO DO THAT AT SOME LATER POINT, I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IT, IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT TOO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE LEARNING FROM THE EXPERIENCES OF THE PHOENIX AND OTHERS WHO ARE TRYING SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, COUNCILOR FOLTZ, IF YOU WANT 
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TO COMMENT ON, UM, SOME OF THE STUDIES THAT YOU HAD LOOKED AT THAT I THOUGHT WERE INCREDIBLY INTERESTING RELATIVE TO THE ACTUAL HE ISLAND IMPACTS OF, OF A PRODUCT, PRODUCTS LIKE COOL PAVEMENT. 
          YOU GOT THE WRONG COUNSELOR, I'M AFRAID I'VE ONLY LOOKED AT THE BRIAN. 
          OH, IT WAS, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          I KNEW IT WAS DISCUSSED IN OUR TWO-ON-ONE MEETING, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A FASCINATING, UM, KIND OF, IT ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT YOU EXPECT BY A PRODUCT LIKE COOL PAVEMENT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO, TO IMPROVE THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, BUT IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE THAT THE LIGHTER COLOR WOULD BE REFLECTING THE HEAT INSTEAD OF ABSORBING IT INTO THE PAVEMENT. 
          RIGHT? YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          IN SHORT, THAT'S THE THING. 
          HE'S USED TO IT. 
          . 
          I DO IT ALL THE TIME. 
          DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          , IT WAS COUNCILOR FULLMAN THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH IT. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I I DON'T, WE WE'VE SPENT ENOUGH TIME TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT YEAH, THERE'S VERY INTERESTING PAPERS BEING WRITTEN ABOUT THE PHOENIX'S EXPERIENCE. 
          I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE CLIMATE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HERE AND PHOENIX, AND THEY'VE HAD ADHESION PROBLEMS AS IT IS, AND THEN THEY GET THIS REFLECTIVITY ISSUE, WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING. 
          YOU MEASURED BLIND, YOU ALL, YOU TRY, IT BLINDS YOU, AND WHEN YOU MEASURE TEMPERATURE UP AT YOUR HEAD, IT, THE TEMPERATURE ACTUALLY GOES UP BECAUSE OF THE REFLECTIVE NATURE. 
          IT CHANGES DEPENDING ON YOU VERSUS BRIAN WHERE THE HEAD IS BECAUSE IT'S SUBSTANTIAL. 
          BRIAN'S A LOT HOTTER. 
          OH, ALWAYS . 
          ALRIGHT, JESSICA, NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. 
          I JUST WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE DURABILITY AND THE, THE OF, OF THE COOL PAVEMENT. 
          DOES IT, IS IT AS DURABLE? DOES IT, DOES IT LAST AS LONG OR DO YOU NOT, IS IT UNCLEAR AT THIS POINT? THERE'S DIFFERENT METHODS FOR DOING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT METHOD YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT JUST, JUST VERY QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, BRYCE AND I DO TALK ABOUT THIS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS FOR OUR REGION, IT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE TO PROMOTE TREE CANOPY AND OTHER LANDSCAPE, UM, OPTIONS THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE VERSUS GOING TO I LOVE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S LIKE EMERGING TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO, BUT THE BIG POINT ON HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A LOT OF EDGE OF PAYMENT IMPROVEMENTS, A LOT OF CRACK CEILING ADVANCED TREATMENT BEFORE WE DO OUR PRE-TREATMENT. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE REALIZED SINCE COMING ON BOARD, THAT WE'RE NOT JUST DOING PAVEMENT PRES, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE STREETS OF DOING MORE PRESERVATION, WHICH IS JUST CRACK CEILING. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL INVESTMENT, BUT IT HOLDS THE ROAD TOGETHER LONGER. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I'M WANTED TO PRESENT THAT SLIDE TO YOU TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IS THAT THE LAST SLIDE FOR YOU? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MOVING ALONG. 
          WE HAVE TRANSIT AGAIN. 
          OH, THERE'S KAREN. 
          UM, WHAT'S THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION FROM KAREN. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU, DO YOU, YOU HAVE THE BEST IDEA OF TIMING OF THIS. 
          HOW ARE WE DOING TIME-WISE? I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I THINK BECAUSE I GIVE A SENSE THAT WE'RE ALREADY REALLY FAR BEHIND. 
          WE ARE. 
          HOW FAR BEHIND DO WE, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE OKAY. 
          NOT, I THINK THERE, SO SIM IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, OF THE PRIORITIES. 
          THERE ARE OTHERS THAT I THINK WE'LL BE CATCHING UP ON TIME WITH. 
          SO I, I FEEL OKAY ABOUT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK, THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          MAYBE WE CAN TAKE SOME OFF. 
          YEAH, THINK SO. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S DO TRANSIT NOW. 
          WE CAN TAKE A BREAK. 
          IS THAT GOOD? ? OKAY. 
          UNLESS SOMEBODY JUST WANTS TO LEAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST WANTS TO LEAVE . 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          WELL, I MEANT BATHROOM. 
          I'M GONNA DO THAT. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          I DON'T MEAN PERMANENT . 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          UM, I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF. 
          I HAVE ABOUT FIVE SLIDES. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE THROUGH THOSE PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          SO, YEAR TO DATE FOR FY 24, UM, WE DID THE, THE, UH, SHUTTLE SYSTEM DID, UH, LOG OVER A HALF MILLION BOARDINGS. 
          I HIT THAT THRESHOLD ON NOVEMBER 19TH. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF A BALLOON DROP DAY FOR US. 
          UM, THE, UH, FOR YEAR TO DATE, UM, FISCAL YEAR TO DATE THROUGH NOVEMBER, UH, WE'RE JUST ABOUT 108,000 BOARDINGS, WHICH IS ABOUT A 15% INCREASE FOR THE SAME PERIOD LAST YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD STUFF. 
          UM, WE TALKED, UM, ANDY AND, UH, KURT TALKED ABOUT 
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VOLPE, BUT I WAS ON THE, UH, THE, UM, THAT THE TRANSPORTATION AS ASSESSMENT TEAM. 
          I ALSO HAVE SEEN THE REPORT, UM, AMONG THE VERY FEW, UH, SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT. 
          ONE WAS TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THE EXPANSION OF THE SHUTTLE FLEET, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A-U-S-D-O-T REPORT THAT YOU CAN ATTACH TO A GRANT THAT SAYS THAT. 
          SO THAT, THAT, THAT CAN HELP US, UH, WITH FUNDING. 
          UM, MY OTHER TAKEAWAY ON THAT, UH, DRAFT REPORT, THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THIS FROM ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOOT VIEW. 
          UM, WHAT THEY SAW, THEY SAW TWO THINGS. 
          AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE TEAM, IN FACT, SIX HOURS ON A BUS WITH THE TEAM, AS DID ANDY. 
          SO TALKED WITH THEM QUITE A BIT. 
          THEY WERE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE LEVEL OF COLLABORATION THEY SAW WITHIN THE SEDONA REGION BETWEEN CITIES, MUNICIPALITIES, FOREST SERVICE COUNTY, UH, ET CETERA. 
          BUT THEY ALSO SAW A LOT OF SILOS. 
          AND THEY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENCOURAGING THE REGION TO, TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS THROUGH A REGIONAL LENS BECAUSE THEY CALLED IT THE TOOTHPASTE EFFECT. 
          WE FIXED SOMETHING IN THE CANYON, IT'S GONNA SQUEEZE OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND CAUSE SOME OTHER ISSUES. 
          SO AS SOON AS THAT REPORT COMES IN, I'LL BE ONE OF THE FIRST TO GET THE FINAL. 
          I'LL MAKE SURE I'LL GET IT PUSHED OUT TO KAREN AND THEN SHE CAN SHARE IT WITH ALL OF YOU. 
          SO, UM, ANY, ANY TIME NOW WE SHOULD BE SEEING THE, THE FILE REPORT. 
          UM, ROBERT, CAN I JUST SURE. 
          THE REGION, WHAT DO THEY VIEW THE REGION AS? THE VERDE VALLEY? YEAH, IT IS. 
          THEIR STUDY AREA INCLUDED SEDONA PROPER, OAK CREEK CANYON, THE VOC, THAT CORRIDOR, AND ALSO, UH, THE CORRIDOR ON 89 A UP TO, UM, COTTONWOOD ONLY UP TO COTTONWOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IN INTO COTTONWOOD AS WELL. 
          COTTONWOOD WAS, WAS ALSO INVITED. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY LOOK AT IT, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOOT VIEW. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE REGION. 
          UM, NOTHING CAN COME, NOTHING BAD CAN COME OUT OF THIS REPORT IN MY, IN MY VIEW. 
          UM, YOU HAVE A VOLPI REPORT THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS NEED TO BE INCREASING YOUR SHARED USE PATHS, SHUTTLE SERVICE, WHATEVER. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU ATTACH THAT TO, UH, GRANT APPLICATION WITH THE F-T-A-U-S-D-O-T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD NEWS. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, I'LL GET THAT REPORT TO KAREN, UH, AS SOON AS WE GET THE FINAL BACK. 
          UM, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING THIS YEAR? UM, OH YEAH, I DID PUT THIS IN HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS NEW FOR THE COUNCIL. 
          YOU'LL SEE THIS ON A FUTURE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          WE DID RECEIVE ANOTHER 235,000 FEDERAL FOR A SIXTH MICROT TRANSIT VEHICLE. 
          UM, SO I'LL BE GETTING, GETTING TO TRY TO GET A CHASSIS RESERVED. 
          , WE PROBABLY WON'T SEE THE BUS UNTIL FY 26. 
          UM, BUT, UH, WE CAN GET THAT ORDERED. 
          UM, WHAT ELSE? I GOT BACK FROM MYRTLE BEACH, UH, LAST THURSDAY. 
          UM, THAT WAS A NATIONAL CONFERENCE. 
          UH, WE DID A PRESENT, WE, I CO-PRESENTED WITH, UH, AMY, TIM TIMBER HOLE FROM THE FOREST SERVICE ON THE SHUTTLE PROGRAM. 
          THAT IS A NATIONAL CONFERENCE. 
          SO YOU HAD THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION IN THE ROOM, UH, EAP, EPA IN THE ROOM. 
          UM, WE HAD DO STATE DOTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          RURAL TRANSIT PROVIDERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE MAP NOW. 
          THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          AND THAT WAS THE IDEA. 
          SO WHEN THEY START SEEING OUR REQUESTS FOR FUNDING, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE KNOWN. 
          UM, SO IS THAT PRESENTATION THAT WE YOU CAN SHARE? I TO SEE WHAT WAS SAID? YES. 
          I, I CAN. 
          GREAT. 
          SO I SENT IT OUT THROUGH YOU, KAREN. 
          YEAH, IT'S JUST A POWERPOINT. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO A AMY WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON. 
          UM, SHE, SHE, SHE, UH, CO-PRESENTED VIRTUALLY, BUT IT, IT WENT VERY WELL. 
          I GOT A LOT OF POSITIVE COMMENTS BACK FROM IT. 
          I THINK IT WAS WORTH THE TRIP. 
          AND THEN, UM, I STAYED FOR THE ENTIRE CONFERENCE AND ACTUALLY LEARNED A COUPLE THINGS. 
          SO, 
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UM, WE DID THAT. 
          UM, WE FINALIZED THE MICRO. 
          WE DID, YEAH, I GOT THAT IN THERE. 
          JUST IN TIME. 
          UH, THAT'S, THAT'S FINALIZED THAT WE CAN CHECK THAT BOX. 
          UM, SO MOVING INTO FY 24. 
          UM, SO I HAVE A GRANT APPLICATION. 
          THE NOTICE OF FUNDING IS ABOUT READY TO BE RELEASED PROBABLY WITHIN NEXT WEEK FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS OF 53 11 GRANT FUNDING. 
          I INTEND TO APPLY FOR ADMINISTRATION AS WE'VE DONE FOR THE LAST TWO CYCLES. 
          THIS IS A TWO YEAR GRANT. 
          SO YOU APPLY EVERY TWO YEARS. 
          YOU GET TWO YEARS OF FUNDING. 
          UM, SO THIS WILL BE STARTING, LET'S SEE, THEY'RE ON THE FEDERAL. 
          SO THAT WILL BE STARTING OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          SO ADMINISTRATIVE FUNDS, WHICH WILL COVER PART OF MY SALARY. 
          UM, WE WILL BE PUTTING IN FOR OPERATING MORE OPERATING FUNDS FOR MICROT TRANSIT. 
          UM, AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF I NEED ANY PLANNING FUNDS. 
          I STILL HAVE SOME I HAVE NOT USED UP. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT. 
          UM, THE WORKING WITH, UH, KURT AND HIS TEAM, UH, THE, THE PLAN IS TO RETAIN A FIRM TO BEGIN THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN PHASE OF THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY, HOPEFULLY JANUARY, FEBRUARY. 
          THAT RFQ IS SITTING WITH ADOT NOW IN DRAFT FOR REVIEW. 
          UM, AND, UH, OF COURSE FOR FY 24. 
          UM, I HAVE THIS ON THE LIST. 
          UM, AND ASSUMING THE TIMELINES HOLD, UH, WE CAN GET THE SEDONA SHUTTLE CONNECT MICROT TRANSIT SERVICE FINALLY LAUNCHED. 
          UH, ASSUMING THOSE VEHICLES ROLL IN, UM, AS SCHEDULED, UH, ROBERT, BEFORE YOU GO, UH, MOVE ON ON THE FACILITY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD RESTRICT US FROM EXPANDING THAT TO SOME DEGREE FOR MAYBE A, UH, CITY VEHICLE FLEET MAINTENANCE, POLICE VEHICLE, FLEET MAINTENANCE TO DO IN-HOUSE TO HIRE A MECHANIC? I MEAN, SO THE WAY I WOULD DO THAT MIRROR IS BECAUSE WE'RE USING, WE'RE GOING AFTER SPECIFIC FEDERAL FUNDS TO BUILD A TRANSIT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY. 
          WE DO THAT AND RESERVE FOOTPRINT AND FUTURE PHASES, DIFFERENT FUNDING STREAMS TO EXPAND BEYOND, LIKE FOR POLICE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS, WHAT WHATEVER OTHER NEEDS THE CITY WOULD HAVE. 
          IT'S CLEANER. 
          I NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO THAT'S, BUT SO THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES, BUT IT PHASES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, ALSO, UM, WE INTEND TO, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE TEMPERATURE ON THIS NEXT GRANT. 
          THIS IS THE NATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT FEDERAL LANDS GRANT, THE U-S-D-O-T. 
          THIS COULD BE UP TO, UH, ANYWHERE FROM AN 18 TO A $20 MILLION BUILD FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY. 
          SO THIS GRANT, WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW FAR ALONG WE ARE IN DESIGN THIS GRANT. 
          THEY WANNA SEE YOU CLOSER TO SHOVEL READY BEFORE WE CAN LIKE SUBMIT. 
          UM, THE MAXIMUM PER PROJECT IS 25 MILLION . 
          SO I'M MY INCLINATION TO BE GO ALL IN. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S, THIS IS AN 85% FEDERAL SHARE. 
          THAT MEANS BUILDING IT AT 15 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE OWN THE LAND, THAT THE VALUE OF THAT LAND CAN BE APPLIED TOWARDS YOUR LOCAL MATCH. 
          OH. 
          OH. 
          SO NOW YOU'RE BRINGING DOWN YOUR SUBSIDY EVEN MORE, YOU KNOW, UM, WE THINK WE HAVE A SHOT AT IT. 
          WE'VE GOT THE, WE'RE, UM, IT'S CHECKED A LOT OF THE BOXES. 
          WE'VE GOT THE FOREST SERVICE BEHIND US ON THIS. 
          WE WILL SEE IF THAT DOESN'T WORK. 
          WE'VE ALREADY, UM, I'VE MET WITH, UH, QUITE A FEW MONTHS AGO, SHERRY, WE HAD THE CALL WITH THE TIA FOLKS FROM THE US DOTS THAT TIA LOAN. 
          IT'S, UH, DON'T ASK ME WHAT TIA STANDS FOR, IT'S TRANSFER TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          THAT IS A LOAN THROUGH THE U-S-D-O-T FOR THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS AT HALF THE PRIME RATE AN INTEREST UP TO 30, THEY SAID LIKE 75 YEARS, DIDN'T THEY? SHERRY, I THINK THEY SAID LIKE, UP TO 75 YEARS IN SOME OF THOSE LOANS. 
          WOW. 
          I DON'T, YEAH. 
          BUT 
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ANYWAY, SO THAT WOULD BE PLAN B. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE, WE REALLY WANT TO, UH, FOCUS ON, ON THIS GRANT, THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG EFFORT. 
          I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE SLIDE HERE, BUT SPEAKING OF GRANTS, WE, WE JUST RECEIVED, UH, THIS MORNING AN ACCEPTANCE FOR OUR NEW GRANTS ANALYST. 
          IT'LL BE BEGINNING JANUARY 8TH. 
          SO IS THAT A REPLACEMENT? YES. 
          OH, BOY. 
          UH, THIS FIRST, UH, THIS US DOT NATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT FEDERAL LANDS GRANT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          IS THAT PART, IS, IS THAT PART OF THE EXTRA MONEY INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY OR IS THIS A, A SEPARATE PROGRAM? IT IT'S BEING FUNDED BY THE CURRENT AUTHORIZATION THROUGH THE, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT ACT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO HOW LONG OUT DOES THAT GO? THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW, IN FACT, I HAVE A SLIDE COMING UP TO SHOW YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SHOW, SHOW YOU THAT. 
          UM, I'LL GET TO THAT AND THEN IT'LL, I CAN PUT IT IN BETTER CONTEXT FOR YOU. 
          UM, SO THE OTHER THING I WANT TO DO IS APPLY FOR THE FEDERAL LANDS ACCESS PROGRAM FUNDING. 
          THIS ONE MAY BE A BIT OF A STRETCH. 
          UH, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, SOMEONE IN THE VOLPI OFFICE CHECKING WITH ME, CHECKING ON THIS. 
          THERE IS A POTENTIAL, WE, IF SUCCESSFUL, WE COULD GET 100% OPERATING FUNDS WITH NO LOCAL MATCH FOR THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS . 
          WOW. 
          SO I'M GONNA GO FOR IT. 
          GO FOR IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WHAT PART OF ZERO DO YOU NOT WANT? RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO, , SO, UM, SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AGGRESSIVELY AT, UH, TRYING TO LOOK DOWN THE ROAD AT FUNDING AND, AND LOWER THE CITY'S SUBSIDY AS WE, WE BUILD THIS NEW SYSTEM WHEREVER WE CAN. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE THAT I, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE IIJA AUTHORIZATION THROUGH 2026. 
          UM, YOU ARE, MAY, IS THAT HARD TO SEE? YES. 
          EYE TEST? WELL, IS IT AN ITEST WELL, EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS COLLECTIVELY, THESE, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BACK UP. 
          THESE ARE ALL COMPETITIVE GRANTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THESE AREN'T FORMULA FUNDS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE, WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT OUR PROJECTS ARE WORTHY, BUT IS THROUGH THE IIJA, THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT AND JOBS ACT AUTHORIZATION. 
          THERE'S UP TO $80 MILLION PER YEAR THROUGH THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS IN AVAILABLE FUNDING FOR TRANSIT PROJECTS. 
          SO WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, AT ALL OF THESE, UM, I, I CAN GO INTO DETAIL ON EACH ONE, BUT BASICALLY COULD, UH, THESE GRANTS, UH, CAN COVER OPERATING, CONSTRUCTION, VEHICLE PURCHASE, ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          UM, IS IT MONEY IN THE BANK? NO, BUT IT'S A HUGE POOL TO GO AFTER, AND IT'S NATIONWIDE. 
          THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, THE IIJA JUST WITH A TRANSIT LENS WAS THE LARGEST INVESTMENT IN TRANSIT, UH, IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. 
          AND WE, WE REALLY SH YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THE GRANTS ANALYSTS, UM, SINCE OUR PREVIOUS ANALYSTS CAME ON BOARD, AND, UH, WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT IN LIKE 2.7 MILLION IN GRANT FUNDING. 
          THAT'S BEEN BEEN A PRETTY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING AFTER THAT. 
          UM, MY JOB IS TO, ONE OF THEM, , IS TO BRING THIS NEW ANALYST ON BOARD AND GET 'EM TRAINED AND, AND, AND, AND REALLY GOING AFTER THESE FUNDS. 
          SO THESE ARE COMPETITIVE. 
          UM, AS WE GET AWARDS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THEM ON YOUR CONSENT TO ACCEPT THE AWARDS AND ACCEPT THE LOCAL MATCHES, WHICH WILL VARY. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SEE ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, 50% LOCAL MATCH TO A 20 TO A 15 TO A ZERO. 
          SO I'LL TAKE THE ZERO. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          50% TO, WE'LL, I'LL MAKE A NOTE ON THE ZERO. 
          YEP. 
          MR. MAYOR, UM, 25, 26 OBJECTIVES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE, I REALLY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE OBJECTIVES WITH RESPECT TO THE SERVICE EXPANSION? UM, NOW WE DID THE SEDONA TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          WE'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT IT. 
          THE STEP WE CALL IT, THAT IS A 10 YEAR, 
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FOUR PHASE PLAN PUBLISHED IN 2020. 
          UM, GOOD PLAN, GOOD FRAMEWORK, UM, EXPENSIVE PLAN. 
          WHEN I SAT DOWN AND ADDED WHAT THE CONSULTANTS HAD COME UP WITH, WITH OPERATING AND CAPITAL COSTS OVER 10 YEARS, THAT'S $108 MILLION WHEN I'M PRETTY SURE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THAT LYING AROUND. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, IN MY OPINION, AS WE BUILD THE SYSTEM, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY PREDICATED ON AVAILABLE FUNDING, AS I TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, AND EMERGING COMMUNITY NEEDS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OF WHICH, YOU KNOW, MICRO TRANSIT THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING THE, THE SPAN OF SERVICE, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT BY USING DATA AND PUBLIC OUTREACH VERSUS KNEE JERK. 
          LET'S JUST DO IT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          ONE IS, IS THIS BETTER PLANNING? AND TWO, WHEN I GO AFTER FEDERAL FUNDS, THEY WANT TO SEE THAT WE'VE DONE PROPER PLANNING SIMULATIONS, LOOKING AT DATA. 
          THEY WANNA SEE THAT WE'VE DONE PUBLIC OUTREACH. 
          SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY OBJECTIVE IN 2026. 
          WE'RE JUST LAUNCHING, TRY TO GET SOME DATA UNDER OUR BELT AND START LOOKING AT, UM, POTENTIAL SERVICE EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR MODE. 
          UM, THERE'S TALK OF AN POTENTIALLY UPTOWN CIRCULAR AT SOME POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD WORK WITH A CONSOLIDATED PARKING MODEL. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER EMERGING PRIORITY, BECAUSE AS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES, YOUR TRANSIT PRIORITIES ARE GONNA CHANGE. 
          SO THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE SNIP PLAN IS SHELVED, BUT IT'S A GREAT FRAMEWORK TO KIND OF HELP GUIDE US AND OTHER EMERGING COMMUNITY NEEDS. 
          WAS IT TWO WEEKS AGO, KAREN? WE'RE ON THE PHONE WITH THE COUNTY. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A, UH, THEY'RE INTERESTED, I'LL SAY, AND POTENTIALLY, UH, FUNDING SHUTTLE SERVICE TO CRESCENT MOON. 
          UM, SO THAT CAME OUTTA NOWHERE, RIGHT? BUT THERE, RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTY IS HEARING A LOT OF, UH, PUBLIC FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS THERE. 
          THEY WANT SOMETHING DONE. 
          IT'S THE SAME SCENARIO THAT THIS BODY EXPERIENCED WITH SOLDIERS PASS, CATHEDRAL ROCK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          NOW IT'S SPREAD OUT THERE. 
          UM, WE'RE VERY UPFRONT WITH 'EM. 
          IT'S LIKE, THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE COUNTY'S DIME. 
          WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH A LOCAL MATCH AND BUYING A VEHICLE, BUT YOU GUYS NEED TO HELP WITH THAT. 
          UM, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS WHEN THESE OPPORTUNITIES SHOW UP AND, AND IF THEY'RE SERIOUS, THAT WE, WE DO OPERATE THAT SERVICE. 
          AND THE REASON IS, IS WE GET TO CLAIM THAT RIDERSHIP, WHICH AGAIN HELPS WHEN I GET BACK TO MY PREVIOUS SLIDE, SHOWING OUR SYSTEM IS WELL UTILIZED AS WE GO OUT FOR GRANT FUNDING. 
          SO THERE'S A METHOD TO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS IS REALLY HOW PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEMS ARE BUILT IN THIS COUNTRY. 
          IT'S A BRICK AT A TIME. 
          IT'S BASED ON AVAILABLE FUNDING, EMERGING COMMUNITY NEEDS, AND A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT YEAR. 
          I DON'T PLAN ON HIRING ANY ADDITIONAL FTS NO NEW POSITIONS. 
          UM, THERE'S A DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT MICRO TRANSIT, WHETHER WE'LL BUDGET FOR THE FULL YEAR OR A PARTIAL YEAR. 
          UM, THAT DECISION I WILL MAKE AT THE TIME THAT I MUST HIT THE BIG RED BUTTON ON MY DESK AND SUBMIT THE BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE, THE, SOME OF THE CHANGING TIMELINES THAT I'M DEALING WITH. 
          SO I, I CAN ONLY MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THOSE TIMELINES WILL HOLD AND THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO BE OPERATIONAL FOR ALL OF FY 25. 
          BUT, BUT I'M NOT READY TO HIT THAT BUTTON JUST YET. 
          SO, UM, THAT WAS IT. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS VICE MAYOR. 
          SO NO FIXED ROUTE IN FY 25, 26. 
          I WOULDN'T SEE AT THIS TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WITH KEEP IN MIND WITH MICRO TRANSIT, YES, IT PROVIDES AN ALTERNATIVE SHARED RIDE 
          [02:55:01]
CITIZENS OR RESIDENTS, VISITORS. 
          IT DOES ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT IT'S ALSO PROVIDING YOU WITH DATA. 
          IT'S LIKE, I THINK I USED THE TERM BEFORE, IT'S LIKE FIRING A BIG PROBE INTO YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO AS WE GO, HEY, WE CAN START SEEING PATTERNS, HERE'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING PICKED UP AND DROPPED OFF. 
          THIS IS LIKE, WE'RE GETTING, THIS MICRO IS REALLY GETTING, YOU KNOW, OVERSUBSCRIBED ON THIS PARTICULAR TRIP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO SWITCH THAT OUT WITH A CIRCULAR MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? SO THERE'S, YOU CAN USE THIS SYSTEM TO HELP YOU BUILD THE SYSTEM, BUILD YOUR SYSTEM, AND TACTICALLY DEPLOY FUTURE ASSETS AND HOPEFULLY HIT THE MARK . 
          SO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ALL DATA DRIVEN. 
          SO HOW MANY YEARS OF DATA DO YOU THINK IS NECESSARY BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE A REALLY COMPREHENSIVE VIEW? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S YEARS. 
          UM, HONESTLY, ONE YEAR GIVES US A NICE SEASONAL VARIATION VIEW. 
          TWO YEARS IS BETTER. 
          'CAUSE THEN WE CAN SEE IS THAT REALLY HOLDING, YOU KNOW, YEAR AFTER YEAR, THE MORE THE MERRIER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, SO THANK YOU ON THAT LAST POINT. 
          YOU KNOW, AS THINGS CHANGE IN THE COMMUNITY, THE USAGE AS NEW ATTRACTIONS OCCUR, I MEAN, SO THERE'S NEVER A TIME I DON'T THINK, WHERE YOU SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE ENOUGH DATA. 
          I THINK THE DATA WILL COME IN, WE MAKE DECISIONS, AND MORE DATA WILL COME IN AND IT'LL GUIDE THE FUTURE DECISIONS. 
          SO, UM, THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE THE WAY YOUR, YOUR INDUSTRY WORKS. 
          SO YES MA'AM. 
          THAT IS RIGHT ON TARGET. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING COURSE CORRECTIONS AS WE GET INFORMATION THAT HELP INFORM US. 
          SO WE DON'T PUT THE SHIP ON THE ROCKS, SO TO SPEAK. 
          I HAVE A, A SECOND QUESTION IS, AND WE REALLY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH FIXED ROUTE UNTIL WE HAVE THE FACILITIES AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. 
          WELL, NOT ONLY FIXED ROUTE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MOVING TO A ZERO EMISSION PLATFORM. 
          RIGHT. 
          BATTERY ELECTRIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE BUT WITHOUT A GARAGE TO PUT THEM IN AN EVERYTHING, YOU STILL CAN'T BUY 'EM AND SORT OF PARK 'EM IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AT NIGHT. 
          I CAN'T PLUG THEM IN. 
          SO, SO YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA NEED THAT, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHETHER YOU STICK WITH A, PRIMARILY, PRIMARILY A DEMAND RESPONSE. 
          AND THEN WE START TO RETIRE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SOME OF THESE MICRO CHANCE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN YET AND START MOVING, MOVING THEM INTO US, THAT'S A SHORT LIFESPAN. 
          , YOU KNOW, IF IT'S BATTERY ELECTRIC, IF IT'S HYDROGEN FUEL CELL, YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, UH, PATH WE COME UP WITH. 
          OR MAYBE THEY DEVELOP A NEW, YOU KNOW, STAR POWERED VEHICLE OR SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS LONG RANGE PLANNING, A PLANNING HORIZON OF INFINITY. 
          WELL, THE FACILITY ITSELF WON'T TAKE THIS LONG, BUT WE WANNA BUILD IT SO IT WOULD SUPPORT THE CITIES AND COTTONWOODS. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE IN THIS WITH US, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT'S A REGIONAL FACILITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TO MAINTAIN THE TRANSIT VEHICLES FOR THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, SEDONA AND COTTONWOOD AT THE SAME FACILITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THEY WOULDN'T BE STOR LIKE COTTONWOOD WOULDN'T STORE THEM THERE. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN STORAGE FACILITY, BUT THEY'RE HAVING THE SAME ISSUES. 
          WE ARE WITH MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE, SHIPPING, EVERYTHING TO CAMP VERDE FOR, UM, FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE BEING CHARGED WELL ABOVE RETAIL. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE'RE PAYING FULL POP ON PARTS, LABOR, ALL OF THAT, WHENEVER WE'RE USING THOSE FACILITIES AND THEIR BUSES ARE SITTING ON THE DEADLINE BECAUSE THE VENDOR'S GOT OTHER CUSTOMERS. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN A 20%, 20% SPARE RATIO PER FTA REQUIREMENTS, YOU CAN'T HAVE BUSES SITTING ON THE DEADLINE. 
          YOU NEED 'EM TURNED AROUND QUICK AND BACK INTO SERVICE, OR YOU START MISSING SERVICE, YOU MISS SERVICE, YOUR RIDERSHIP STARTS GOING DOWN. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A WISE INVESTMENT, PARTICULARLY IF, IF WE CAN GET IT FOR 15 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, UM, TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S THIS CITY'S TRANSIT, UH, ACTIVITIES FOR THE NEXT 50, 60 YEARS. 
          UM, BUT, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL'S MADE IT VERY CLEAR THEY WANT TO GO TO A ZERO EMISSION AND WE HAVE NOT LOST SIGHT OF THAT, BUT WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT FACILITY TO SUPPORT 
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THAT EFFORT. 
          SO ALONG WITH FIXED ROUTE AND OTHER ACTIVITIES. 
          SO I, OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, ROBERT. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANKS. 
          SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO WAIT 45 MINUTES BE WHEN LUNCH WOULD BE HERE OR DO YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK AND THEN TAKE A BREAK AT LUNCH? YOU WANNA TAKE A QUICK YEAH, COULD I JUST, SO I THINK WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS. 
          SHANNON HAS THE CITIZEN HOUSING COMMITTEE MEETING AT NOON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE CAN EITHER, IS THAT OKAY? THEN WE'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH HOUSING NOW , I DON'T WANNA HOLD HER UP. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU THE OTHER OPTIONS. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA DO QUICK INDIVIDUAL BREAK, MOVE, MOVE ALONG. 
          SHA YES, THANK YOU. 
          THERE. 
          HERE I'LL MOVE. 
          WHICH ONE? MAYBE IT'S THAT ONE. 
          IT SAYS HOUSING. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          PRESENTATIONS. 
          WELL, SHE'S GOT HER COAT A LITTLE CHILLY. 
          SHANNON, SOMETHING. 
          , YOU KNOW, IT'S SNOWING IN MY OFFICE. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE THIS ROOM YOU THINK KEEPS GOING OFF. 
          I'M FREEZING. 
          THAT'S HOT. 
          YEP. 
          THEY'LL FIX THAT. 
          THAT'S A SUSTAINABLE COMPONENT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          REMEMBER, NEVER WORKED IN THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S THREE SEPARATE UNITS HERE. 
          THOSE GUYS ARE GONNA FIX IT FOR US. 
          TWO. 
          THOSE GUYS WHO PRESENTED TO US, THESE GUYS THAT DON'T, ARE NOT SITTING IN HERE. 
          NO, NO. 
          IT'S A WHILE. 
          WE'RE, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTION. 
          OKAY, SHANNON, WE DON'T WANT, YOU THINK YOU'LL MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION IN TIME TO MAKE THAT MEETING? SURE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE TOO MANY QUESTIONS,  LET AND LET, IF PEOPLE AT THE MEETING KNOW WE, WE WON'T, I I WON'T BE THERE AND NEITHER WILL BRIAN OF COURSE. 
          OR ME OR, OR JESSICA. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE READY OR SHOULD WE WAIT FOR THE OTHER COUNCILS? GO MOVE FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          SO STARTING OUT, JUST WITH SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FROM THE RECENT FISCAL YEAR, UM, FOR THE PROGRAMS, THE DEEDED RESTRICTION PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD NINE OF THOSE FILED SO FAR. 
          THERE ARE THREE KIND OF IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM HAS BEEN ONGOING. 
          THE PILOT HAS NOT BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD FOUR HOMES CONVERTED FROM SHORT-TERM RENTAL TO LONG-TERM RENTAL. 
          WOW, OKAY. 
          THREE OF THOSE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          SHANNON, DO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TENANTS IN THERE? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY THAT'S EMPLOYEES, THAT'S A PROGRAM REQUIREMENT. 
          THE TENANT IS PART OF IT. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO MOVE IN BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO GET THE INCENTIVE. 
          ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES IN THERE? YES. 
          GOOD. 
          THAT'S, I WANNA KNOW, UM, FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, WHICH I HEARD MENTIONED EARLIER THIS MORNING. 
          SO JUST AS A REMINDER, WE OFFER A FOUR TO ONE MATCH IN DOWN PAYMENT UP TO $40,000. 
          AND THAT IS AN EQUITY SHARE PROGRAM. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD FOUR LOANS TOTAL. 
          TWO OF THOSE WERE IN THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN THE RFP FOR THE CULTURAL PARK WAS ISSUED, UM, END OF OCTOBER, BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAD TWO COMPLETE RESPONSES. 
          UM, EACH OF THOSE HAS THREE OPTIONS. 
          SO THE HOUSING ADVISORY GROUP WILL BE HEARING ABOUT THOSE TODAY AND WE'RE GIVE THOSE OUT FOR SOME READERS TO SCORE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE VILLAS ON SHELBY, AS YOU ALL REMEMBER FROM LAST NIGHT, IS, UM, READY TO CONTRACT AT THIS STAGE. 
          SO, AND THEN KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ONGOING, UM, STILL FOR THIS SECOND HALF OF THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR A CONSULTANT TO PROVIDE, UM, A HOMELESSNESS ANALYSIS AND A STRATEGIC PLAN TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS THAT IS PRETTY WELL DRAFTED. 
          I'M STILL HOPING TO GET IT OUT BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, THIS CALENDAR YEAR, UM, THE COLD WEATHER AND EMERGENCY ROOMS FOR THE HOMELESS, WHICH WAS FORMERLY THE SA HA'S CODE BLUE PROGRAM, UM, WORKING 
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ON SOME THINGS FOR THAT NOW, ESSENTIALLY PROBABLY STILL WILL BE A HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM THIS YEAR. 
          UM, THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROPOSAL, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL BE HEARING THAT IN JANUARY. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF THE DETAILS WORKED OUT. 
          IT'S REALLY COMING TOGETHER NICELY WITH THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION AS A POTENTIAL PARTNER. 
          WHO, WHICH, WHICH ORGANIZATION? THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION. 
          OKAY. 
          SHANNON, I THOUGHT THAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS WAS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE SAFE PLACE TO PARK WOULD BE CONSIDERED. 
          AM I MISTAKEN ABOUT THAT? YES, I BELIEVE SO. 
          THAT WASN'T MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU BELIEVE I'M MISTAKEN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN OTHER HOUSING PROJECTS IN DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT 12 MILLION THAT WAS ALLOCATED TOWARDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, UM, WILL LIKELY BE USED UP BY THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE WORKS. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE ABOUT FOUR OTHERS BEHIND THESE, BUT I THINK THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, THE DEVELOPERS ARE MOST RESPONSIVE AND MOVING ALONG, UM, MORE QUICKLY. 
          SO SUNSET LOFTS. 
          OH, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YOU THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SUNSET LOFTS, I THINK YOU'RE ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH. 
          UM, WE JUST STILL HAVE A REALLY BIG GAP IN THE FINANCING RIGHT NOW AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, 4 0 1 JORDAN, I DO HAVE A PROPOSAL FROM A DEVELOPER. 
          UM, HE'S NOT MOVING FORWARD QUITE AS FAST AS I WOULD LIKE, AND HE'S LOOKING AT, UM, LIKELY A TAX CREDIT PROJECT, WHICH WOULD THEN LIMIT THOSE UNITS SIMILAR TO THE, THE SHELBY PROJECT THAT YOU HEARD LAST NIGHT AT THE 60% A MI, UM, THE SHELBY HILLSIDE PROJECT RELATIVELY NEW, ALTHOUGH THEY, THEY'RE ARCHITECTURALS, I JUST GOT SOME NEW DESIGNS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING ALONG. 
          UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING AROUND 108, I'M SORRY, AROUND A HUNDRED UNITS. 
          UM, AND THOSE WOULD BE HALF AFFORDABLE AND HALF MARKET RATE. 
          AND THEN THE GOOD ROW PROPERTY IS THE NON-PROFIT DEVELOPER. 
          UM, THANKFULLY THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR SUBSIDY AND I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE COMMUNITY INPUT PHASE RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY SHOULD BE SUBMITTING PLANS ANYTIME NOW TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND THE DREAM CATCHER HOTEL. 
          I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HOUSING SOLUTIONS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA. 
          THERE ARE SOME NEW FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES NOW THAT, UM, MIGHT MAKE THIS POSSIBLE AGAIN. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF FOR THE SECOND TIME NOW. 
          WHERE IS SHELBY HILLSIDE? SHANNON? SO THAT'S THE PROPERTY. 
          IF YOU GO STRAIGHT UP SUNSET AND KEEP GOING, IT'S AT THE END OF SUNSET. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THEY SAID IT'S AGAINST THE HILLSIDE. 
          SO THE QUESTION OF HOW HIGH IT COULD GO WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED, AND I KNOW BRIAN HAS AN INTEREST IN THAT, AND THE DEVELOPER HAS PROPOSED A REALLY UNIQUE DESIGN THAT DOES TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT HIGH OPPORTUNITY. 
          IT STEPS BACK AS IT GOES HIGHER. 
          IS THAT A LIVE AND WORK FACILITY, UH, PROJECT OR JUST LIVING? JUST LIVING, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY ACTUALLY DID PROPOSE SOME COMMERCIAL ON THAT INITIALLY, AND BECAUSE OF THE ZONING, IT WOULD MAKE IT TAKE LONGER, SO THEY THREW THAT OUT. 
          . 
          I WILL SAY ON THE OTHER PROJECTS IN DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE MERCY OF THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, THE 125 MILLION THAT WAS PUT INTO THE STATE HOUSING TRUST FUND HAS BEEN COMING OUT IN, UM, SORT OF BATCHES OF FUNDING AVAILABILITY, TARGETING DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS AND VARYING TYPES OF HOUSING FROM HOMELESSNESS TO TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. 
          I THINK THEY SEEM TO BE KIND OF WORKING THEIR WAY UP, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD WE CAN EXPECT SOME FUNDING FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING BY THE END OF FEBRUARY. 
          SO SHANNON, IS THE TRA TRANSITIONAL HOUSING SOMETHING THAT DAMIEN COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF? POTENTIALLY, YES. 
          AND THEN LOOKING AT THE NEW AND PROPOSED WORK ITEMS, UM, WE'RE EXPECTING TO REVAMP THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM SINCE THE PILOT ISN'T GOING SO WELL, WE'RE STILL, UM, WORKING THROUGH THOSE PILOT FUNDS. 
          BUT IDEALLY, UM, THE REVAMP OF THE PROGRAM WOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE SOME HIGHER INCENTIVES AND ENGAGING A PROPERTY MANAGER. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR MOST OFTEN FROM PEOPLE IS LIKE, I KNOW HOW TO DO AIRBNB ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE A LANDLORD. 
          SO WORKING WITH A PROPERTY MANAGER TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A, A MORE, I 
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GUESS, USER-FRIENDLY PROGRAM FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN CONTINUING TO SOLICIT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. 
          I JUST GOT OFF A CALL WITH SOMEONE WHO'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT A NEW MODULAR HOME DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S ONGOING. 
          DEVELOPERS CALL ME EVERY WEEK WITH SOME NEW IDEA, EITHER LOOKING FOR LAND OR LOOKING FOR SUBSIDY. 
          UM, SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY PIE IN THE SKY AND, UM, DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LIST OF PENDING PROJECTS, OCCASIONALLY ONE PANS OUT AND KEEPS MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SHANNON. 
          OKAY, THEN WE HAVE TIME FOR SUSTAINABILITY. 
          IT SAYS BRYCE IS HERE. 
          SUSTAINABILITY, IT SAYS WHAT? OH, ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, VERY NICE MAYOR, COUNSEL. 
          IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. 
          UM, SO YEAH, UH, TO KICK IT OFF THE USUAL SLIDE TO SEE JUST THE TWO, UH, TWO PLANS THAT GUIDE US. 
          UH, SO THE STONE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND THE MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, UH, MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN, UH, 2020 AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2021. 
          UH, I WON'T REALLY GO OVER THE, UH, THE GOALS THERE. 
          YOU'VE SEEN 'EM NUMEROUS TIMES AND THE LIKE, THERE, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO UPDATE THE MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, UH, THAT HAD A TWO YEAR CYCLE, UH, THAT WAS BUILT INTO IT. 
          AND SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT UPDATE PROCESS AND, UH, ANTICIPATING A FIRST DRAFT, UH, GOING OUT TO DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE, UH, THIS MONTH. 
          SO WE'RE, UH, TRYING TO GET THAT ONE UPDATED AS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. 
          ON A SIDE NOTE, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN HAS A THREE YEAR CYCLE THAT'S BUILT INTO IT. 
          SO IT'D BE LOOKING AT LATE 2024, UM, TO START THE PROCESS OF UPDATING AND LOOKING AT THAT PLAN. 
          UH, SO PROJECTS, UH, THAT WE COMPLETED FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2023, KIND OF A WIDE RANGE OF THINGS. 
          UH, WE INSTALLED THE EV CHARGERS AT, UH, POSSE GROUNDS IN SUNSET PARK. 
          THE EV CHARGERS AT POSSE GROUNDS, UH, WAS A, UH, COLLABORATION WITH, UH, ELECTRIFY AMERICA AND A PS. 
          THEY'RE THE CITY'S FIRST, UH, DC FAST CHARGERS. 
          AND THEN THE ONES AT SUNSET PARK ARE LEVEL TWO, UH, CHARGEPOINT CHARGERS, SO THEY CHARGE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER. 
          BUT, UM, BOTH OF THOSE, UH, WERE ALSO, UM, THE PROGRAM FOR THE SUNSET CHARGERS WAS DONE WITH AP PS THROUGH THEIR TAKE CHARGE PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN WE INSTALLED, UH, SOLAR LIGHTING AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK. 
          SO THE, IT'S A PICTURE IN THE UPPER HERE. 
          I MAY HAVE SEEN THOSE, UH, UH, WHEN YOU'RE AT THE PARK. 
          SO IT'S A SERIES ABOUT 23 SOLAR BOLLARDS AND 11, UH, PARKING LOT LIGHTS THAT ARE, ARE CONTROLLABLE WITH, UH, NARROW BAND AMBER, UH, LEDS. 
          AND THEN WE'VE ALSO INSTALLED, UH, 10 BIG BELLY, UH, SMART WASTE TRASH RECEPTACLES. 
          SO THOSE, UH, RECEPTACLES HAVE A SOLAR PANEL ON TOP OF 'EM. 
          UH, AND THEN IT HAS A CONNECT, UH, CONNECTED PLATFORM, UH, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SEE THE EFFECTIVENESS ON HOW, UH, WELL WE PERFORM ON SERVICING THE TRASH CANS AS WELL AS, UM, THE ABILITY TO, UH, GET THE WASTE DATA THAT'S COLLECTED FOR IT. 
          UH, COUNCILOR FOLTZ COUNCILOR FOLTZ. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BRYCE. 
          HOW IS THE BIG BELLY WORKING FOR US SO FAR? UH, SO FAR I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN, UH, WORKING PRETTY WELL. 
          UH, THESE SIDE MESSAGE PANELS JUST GOT, UH, UPDATED, UM, AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK FOR A LOT OF TIME YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN JUST LIKE THE STRAIGHT MESSAGING TO IT. 
          UH, BUT FOR THE MATERIALS THEMSELVES, I WAS, UH, CHATTING WITH, UH, THE WAXY, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FORUM. 
          UM, IN GENERAL, WHEN, UH, THESE FIRST GET INSTALLED, THEIR EFFECTIVE, UH, EFFICIENCY RATING ON COLLECTION TIMES, UM, AND THE LIKE IS RIGHT AROUND 20 TO 30% WHEN THEY GENERALLY ARE INSTALLED FOR THE SEDONA AREA. 
          UM, WE'RE RIGHT AT 50% ON THOSE INITIAL INSTALLS. 
          AND SO AS WE, UH, CONTINUE ON WITH THEM, WE EXPECT THAT THAT EFFICIENCY RATING WILL KIND OF, UH, INCREASE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, SO THAT, UH, WHEN THEY ARE SERVICED, THEY'RE CLOSER TO WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY FULL INSTEAD OF, YOU HAVE 
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THOSE TIMES WHERE, UH, A A RECEPTACLE MIGHT BE SERVICED WHEN IT'S BEEN FULL FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME, OR YOU GET A STAFF MEMBER TO GO SERVICE THAT LOCATION WHEN IT'S A NOT FULL AND NOT NEEDED ACTUALLY SERVICED. 
          SO, UH, FOR THE INITIAL INSTALL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING BETTER THAN, UH, WAXES, UH, INTERNAL DATA FOR THAT THEY HAVE FROM INITIAL INSTALLS. 
          AND FOR THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AT TRAIL HEADS, HOW IS THAT WORKING AND DO YOU KNOW HOW WELL THAT HAS WORKED DURING PEAK PERIODS, LIKE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING, FOR INSTANCE? UM, FROM MY, UH, UNDERSTANDING, UH, WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM ON IT IS THAT THE, UH, THEY HAVEN'T REALLY HAD, UM, A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THE RECEPTACLES OR THE ABILITY OF THEM, LIKE GETTING OVERFLOWING OR ANY OF THAT POINT. 
          SO AS, UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE, THE TRELLO SHUTTLES THAT THEY'VE BEEN PERFORMING FAIRLY WELL. 
          AND ARE YOU GONNA REFER TO ANY FURTHER ROLLOUT OF THOSE IN YOUR PRESENTATION, OR IS THIS THE MOMENT TO ASK, UH, THIS KIND OF GOOD MOMENT TO ASK? SO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WITH THE RECEPTACLES THEMSELVES IS THEY ARE KIND OF PRICEY. 
          UH, AND SO WE'RE USING 'EM AS LIKE A PROXY FOR AREAS. 
          UH, AND SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SWAP OUT EVERY SINGLE RECEPTACLE IN THAT AREA AND HAVING A LARGER, UH, MAINTENANCE COST FOR IT, WE KIND OF PLACE ONE OF THESE IN A LOCATION THAT IS THEN USED AS A PROXY FOR WHEN WE MIGHT NEED TO SERVICE ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, RECEPTACLES IN THE AREA. 
          SO SAY FOR, LIKE, IF YOU WERE TO PUT IT WHEN IT'S SUNSET PARK OR LIKE THE, THE LOCATION THERE WOULD KIND OF SERVE FOR, I FORGOT HOW MANY OF THAT ARE IN THAT, THAT PARK, BUT IT WOULD SERVE AS THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING EACH INDIVIDUAL CAN THEN JUST TRYING TO SAY LIKE, OH, THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE PULLED. 
          THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE PULLED. 
          SO IT'S, UH, TRYING TO BALANCE, UH, THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF, UH, BRINGING ON ADDITIONAL ONES. 
          WE DID JUST RECENTLY APPLY FOR AN A DQ GRANT THAT OPENED UP IN, UM, I THINK IT WAS LATE OCTOBER, AND, UH, CLOSED ON DECEMBER 1ST. 
          UH, WE SUBMITTED A GRANT, UM, THAT WOULD GET ADDITIONAL, UH, WAXY RECEPTACLES, BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECYCLING, UM, AND THEN HAVE THOSE INSTALLED AT, UM, CONFIDENTIAL LOCATIONS OR WHATNOT. 
          SO, UH, LEAH, THE GOAL IN THAT GRANT WAS AN ADDITIONAL 10. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, UH, WE'LL HEAR BACK ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL, UH, BE AWARDED IT OR NOT. 
          AND THE STRATEGY, I LIKE THE STRATEGY BY THE WAY, OF, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A HUNDRED PERCENT IN AN AREA ONE CAN SERVE AS A PROXY. 
          DOES THAT CONCEPT, DO YOU THINK ALSO APPLY TO TRAILHEADS? 'CAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE, FROM A RESIDENT COMPLAINT STANDPOINT, THAT'S THE, THOSE ARE THE OVERFLOWING TRASH BINS AT A TRAILHEAD ARE WHERE WE HEAR ABOUT IT FAR MORE THAN IF THERE'S SOMETHING OVERFLOWING IN UPTOWN. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD SAY YES, LIKE THE ABILITY FOR US TO GET IT IN KIND OF IDENTIFIED LOCATIONS THAT ARE PRIMARY USE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S UPTOWN OR TRAIL LOCATION OR A A CITY PARK, ALLOWS US TO SAY LIKE, OKAY, THIS, THIS SPOT'S GETTING MORE IMPACTED THAN THE OTHER. 
          UH, I HAVEN'T LOOKED SPECIFICALLY AT THE DATA, SAY EXACTLY WHERE OUR CURRENT LOCATIONS ARE THAT HAS THE HIGHEST, UH, HIGHEST WASTE AMOUNT OR THE LIKE, BUT THE ABILITY FOR US TO DO THAT HELPS US IDENTIFY WHERE MORE OF OUR WASTE ISSUES ARE COMING FROM. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON, ON THOSE. 
          ARE THOSE THE SAME BINS THAT WE'RE SEEING INSTALLED ON 89 A BY THE BUS SHELTERS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO HOW'S THE COLLECTION GOING, UH, OR STUDY ON 89 A? HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT? UH, SO THE LOCATIONS FOR THE, THE BUS SHELTERS ARE IN THE SAME, SAME SPOT. 
          THAT'S KINDA LIKE THE WHOLE POOL IS RIGHT AROUND THAT 50% OR SO EFFECTIVENESS ON THOSE INITIAL INSTALLS. 
          UM, AND SO THE, UH, THOSE ONES HAVE BEEN REPORTING BACK, UH, VERY SIMILAR DATA FROM MY, MY INITIAL CURSORY LOOK AT IT, UM, ON, ON HOW WELL THEY'RE DOING OR WHATNOT. 
          BUT YEAH, THE SAME, SAME RECEPTACLES. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          'CAUSE NOW THEY'RE VERY VISIBLE, ALL A SUDDEN THEY POPPED UP. 
          AND I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT. 
          AND, UH, THOUGHT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM AS, AS WELL AS BEING THE, THE TRAILER SHUTTLES HAVING ON 89 A IS, UH, HELPFUL TOO. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU WITH THE POSSE GROUND CHARGERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR, UH, WITH THE RESIDENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LIGHTING, THE GREEN LIGHT WAS OVERPOWERING. 
          I KNOW THAT'S JUST THE WAY THEY'RE DESIGNED. 
          UH, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN UP THERE ABOUT A, A MONTH ACTUALLY AT NIGHTTIME. 
          I'VE BEEN THERE DURING THE DAYTIME. 
          HAS, UH, ANY IMPROVEMENT BEEN MADE WITH THAT LIGHTING? UH, SO FOR MY AWARENESS, THE A PS FOLKS HAVE, UH, INITIALLY, OR A PS AND ELECTRIFY AMERICA HAVE INITIALLY DIMMED THEM. 
          AND THEN WE'VE HAD INITIAL CONVERSATION WITH 'EM LAST WEEK AND HAVING ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH COM DEV ON SUITABLE REPLACEMENTS FOR IT. 
          UH, THE MAIN CONCERN FROM ELECTRIFY AMERICAN A PS SIDE OF THINGS IS THAT THE PRIMARY TIME OF USE IS RIGHT AT THE EARLY TWILIGHT HOURS AND DUSK. 
          AND SO, UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO BALANCE, UH, AWARENESS OF LIKE WHERE THE, THE, UH, CHARGERS ARE, UH, WITH, UM, THE LIGHT CONSTRAINTS OR THE, UH, THE DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING FO FOCUS FOR IT. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE A, A PERMANENT SOLUTION OR IDENTIFIED SOLUTION AND YET, BUT, UH, A PS HAS BEEN ACTIVE IN WORKING WITH US ON, UH, 
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IDENTIFYING A, IN A SUITABLE LOCATION FOR IT. 
          SO, UH, THE GOAL IS THAT AT SOME POINT WE'D GET RID OF THAT, UH, THAT GREEN, THE GREEN BAND AROUND IT, UH, AND THEN IDENTIFY EITHER ANOTHER LIGHT, UH, EITHER, UH, ENCLOSED DARK SIDE COMPLIANT LIGHTING AND SIMILAR SIGNAGE THAT MIGHT BE AROUND IT, BUT WE'D GET RID OF THAT, LIKE LED BAND, UH, THAT'S AROUND THE RECEPTACLES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IS THAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT BAND TO, FOR SAFETY FOR THE PERSON CHARGING THEIR CAR? OR IS THAT JUST TO SHOW, HEY, THIS IS HERE, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT? UH, IT'S A BIT OF BOTH. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, PRIMARY ONE IS THAT NIGHT IS JUST KIND OF LIKE, HEY, IT'S RIGHT HERE. 
          UH, AND THEN IT PROVIDES EXTERNAL, THAT EX AUXILIARY ILLUMINATION TO IT. 
          UH, THERE IS, THERE ARE TWO LIGHTING, UH, STRUCTURES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, OR, UH, TWO POLES I'M AWARE OF THAT THEY'RE NEXT TO IT. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST, UH, UH, FROM, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO BALANCE THOSE TWO ASPECTS TO IT. 
          SO, UH, PRIMARILY I THINK IT WAS MORE OF A MARKETING LIKE, HEY, IT'S RIGHT HERE. 
          AND THEN AUXILIARY IS, UH, MORE OF A SA UM, UH, A SAFETY ADDITION OR, OR THE, LIKE, THERE, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE WORKING QUICK AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN TO GET A SOLUTION THERE. 
          WELL, UM, IT'S TAKEN A WHILE. 
          MM-HMM, , AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A CHARGER THERE IS FABULOUS. 
          I THINK IT'S GREAT. 
          BUT IF ANY FUTURE CHARGES ARE BEING LOOKED AT FOR ELSEWHERE AROUND THE CITY, UH, I, IF YOU HAVE THE SAME KIND OF A BAND, I REALLY, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A GAME CHANGER FOR ME BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE DARK SKY LIGHTING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND YOU ALSO CHAMPION OF THAT AS WELL. 
          SO I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE COGNIZANT OF THAT. 
          YEAH, I, I FULLY AGREE. 
          UM, WHEN THEY WERE INITIALLY PUTTING IN, THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THAT, THAT BAND WAS ACTUALLY LIGHTING, SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT INTO THE FUTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          FULLY AGREE. 
          YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING NEW LIKE THAT WAS, I, I GET IT. 
          BUT IT WAS, WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, SAYING, WHAT KIND OF A DARK SKY COMMUNITY ARE WE? AND, UM, IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING JUST AWARE OF IT FOR THE FUTURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? OKAY. 
          MOVING FORWARD, UM, UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, WE INSTALLED, UH, 15 BIKE RACKS, UH, ACROSS MUNICIPAL SITES. 
          UM, SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THOSE OUT AND ABOUT. 
          UM, AND THEN THROUGH THE A SU INITIAL, UH, AUDIT THAT THEY DID, UM, LAST YEAR FOR THE INDUSTRIAL ASSESSMENT CENTER, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO UPGRADE THE, UPGRADE THE HVACS OUT AT THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM. 
          UH, JUST IN JUNE, JULY TIMEFRAME, WE'RE ABLE TO UPGRADE THE HVAC CONTROLS, UH, OUTTA BREWER. 
          UH, AND THEN, UM, LARRY'S TEAM, UH, THROUGH FACILITIES WAS UPGRADING AND DOING A ROOFING PROJECT FOR THE CONTRACTORS', UH, ROAD COMPONENT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE, UH, PARTNER WITH THEM ON A, UM, UH, A REFLECTIVE ROOFING COATING THAT CAN HELP REDUCE THE, LIKE, THE OVERALL SURFACE TEMPERATURE OR WHATNOT OF THE BUILDING THEMSELVES. 
          UH, AS A TANGENTIAL TO THAT, UH, AS YOU GUYS MENTIONED EARLIER, WITH THE, UH, ASPHALT UH, COMPONENTS, UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH KAPPA STRATEGIES TO TAILOR, UH, A RECOMMENDATIONS GUIDEBOOK FOR US, UH, TO INCORPORATE OR TO EXPLORE INCORPORATING HOW MANY OF THOSE WE CAN INTO PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS, UM, FOR, UM, URBAN HEAT ISLAND, UH, MAPPING EFFORTS AND THE LIKE, UH, AS ANDY TOUCHED ON, UM, ASPHALT IS QUITE COMPLEX. 
          UH, THERE'S ASPECTS OF IT WHERE YOU MIGHT LOOK TO SAY LIKE A, A POROUS ASPHALT IN ONE LOCATION, BUT A WEIGHT MIGHT NOT BE SUITABLE FOR IT. 
          UH, YOU MAY LOOK TO PUT A, A COATING ON IT, BUT THAT ALSO MAY HAVE ASPECTS WHERE, AS YOU GUYS MENTIONED WITH SOME OF THE REPORTS WHERE, UH, IT MAY ACTUALLY REDUCE THE INITIAL SURFACE TEMPERATURE, BUT THEN THE TEMPERATURE FIVE TO 10 FEET ABOVE IT ACTUALLY GOES UP. 
          UH, IT CHANGES THE DYNAMICS OF LIKE WHERE THE HEAT IS ACTUALLY GETTING DISPERSED. 
          SO OUR TRADITIONAL ASPHALT SOAKS IT IN DURING NIGHT, RELEASES THAT BACK OUT. 
          UH, SO IF YOU HAVE THAT REFLECTIVE COATING, IT'S NOT RELEASING IT THEN AT NIGHT, BUT THEN IT'S RELEASING IT RIGHT THEN AND THAT DAYTIME. 
          UM, SO LOOKING AT THOSE ASPECTS AS WELL AS NATURE-BASED SOLUTIONS, AS ANDY TOUCHED ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND CERTAIN LOCATIONS TO HELP PROVIDE SHADE STRUCTURES OR REDUCE A COOLING EFFECT AND ALSO IMPROVE VEGETATION FOLIAGE TO IT. 
          SO, UM, IT'S NOT QUITE AS SIMPLE AS JUST LIKE, LET'S PUT A COATING ON IT AND, UM, RUN WITH IT. 
          UH, WE'D KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AND TRY TO TAILOR IT. 
          AND SO, UH, KAPPA STRATEGIES IS, UH, WORKING WITH US ON GETTING THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION GUIDEBOOK IN. 
          AND THEN WHEN THAT IS, UM, COMPLETED, UH, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON WHICH ONES WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO KIND OF PUSH FORWARD AND, AND THE LIKE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE ALSO IMPLEMENTED THE WATCH WIRE, UH, UTILITY TRACKING, UH, PLATFORM. 
          AND SO THAT'S GONNA HELP US WITH GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, UH, TRACKING, AS WELL AS WHEN WE IMPLEMENT ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, SAY AT THE LED STREETLIGHT RETROFIT THAT WE HAVE, UH, COMING UP, IS THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, APPLY THAT PROJECT TO THE DATA AND SEE HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS AT ACTUALLY REACHING THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT, UH, PLATFORM UP AND RUNNING. 
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AND THEN ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN SIDE OF THINGS, UH, WE HAD FINISHED THE 2020 TWOS, UH, MUNICIPAL AND COMMUNITY GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORIES. 
          I'M CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THAT, UH, STARTING THAT PROCESS AGAIN FOR 2023. 
          BRYCE, LET ME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION ON STREETLIGHT JUST TO, I SAW TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT JUST CLICKED. 
          HOW MANY STREETLIGHTS DO WE MAINTAIN VERSUS ADOT? UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVE ABOUT 149, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, STREETLIGHTS THAT WOULD BE, UM, FOR THE STREETLIGHT RETROFIT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THE, THE INVENTORIES, UM, JUST HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY ACTUALLY WITH THE, UH, THE STATE OFFICE OF RESILIENCY IS WORKING ON A PRIORITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          AND THE GOAL OF THAT PRIORITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS TO ALSO, UM, GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM THE, UH, FEDERAL, UH, GOVERNMENT LEVEL THAT CAN HELP TOWARDS IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS AND THE LIKE FOR THESE INITIATIVES. 
          UH, SO THEIR INITIAL PRIORITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE IT SUBMITTED TO THE EPA BY MARCH 1ST. 
          UH, AND SO I SUBMITTED OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND OUR PRIORITIES, UH, TO THE OFFICE OF THE RESILIENCY FOREIGN INCORPORATION INTO THAT, UH, PRIORITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          AND THEN IF, UH, THE PRIORITIES THAT ARE IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PRIORITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WILL ALLOW MUNICIPALITIES, UM, COUNTIES, UH, TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS AND LIKE TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS THAT COULD ACTUALLY GO TO GETTING MORE OF THESE, UH, OBJECTIVES CROSSED. 
          SO, UM, IT'S ONGOING, BUT THE STATE IS, UH, WORKING DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO CREATE A PRIORITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UH, BY MARCH 1ST TO BE FOR SUBMITTAL TO THE EPA. 
          AND SO WE, AND THEN OUR INVENTORIES WILL BE SUBMITTED A PART OF THAT PROCESS TO A TEAM AT NAU THAT IS COMPILING THE STATE INVENTORY. 
          AND THEN OUR NUMBERS GO TO HELP BOLSTER AND, UH, DO QUALITY ASSURANCE AND CONTROL, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, FOR THAT INVENTORY. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          OH, I LISTED IT TWICE. 
          UH, IT'S SO IMPORTANT. 
          LISTED IT TWICE, I GUESS, FOR THE INSTALL THE EV CHARGER THERE AT POSSY GROUNDS IN, UH, SUNSET PARK. 
          UH, WE ALSO HOSTED THE FIFTH ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENT. 
          WE HAD A RECORD OF 375 PARTICIPANTS. 
          UH, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL WAITING BACK ON OUR HAZARDOUS WASTE, UH, TOTAL AMOUNT ON THE ELECTRONIC, ELECTRONIC SIDE OF THINGS. 
          WE HAD OVER 12,000 POUNDS OF ELECTRONICS THAT WERE COLLECTED, UH, FOR THE EVENT. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          BRYCE, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON WITH THAT, WOULD THERE BE ANY DISCUSSION, FUTURE DISCUSSION TO RELOCATE THAT, TO POSSE GROUNDS OR SOMEPLACE ELSE? BECAUSE THE BACKLASH OF TRAFFIC ON 89 A MM-HMM. 
           WAS, YOU KNOW, I SAW IT, IT TO BE A PROBLEM. 
          AND, UM, I'D HATE TO SEE AN, AN ACCIDENT OCCUR ON 89 A BECAUSE OF SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, UH, RUBBERNECKING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY, UH, A CONSIDERATION FOR OURS. 
          SO A A A FEW YEARS BACK, I THINK IT WAS HELD AT THE, THE HIGH SCHOOL IT WENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN, SO, SO YARD SHOW AT THE SAME TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, THE, THE HIGH SCHOOL PAA GROUNDS PARK, OR EXTERNAL, ANOTHER EXTERNAL LOCATION, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO MOVING IT. 
          'CAUSE WE KNOW THE CONFINES THERE AT CITY HALL OR HERE AT CITY HALL, UM, CAN BE PROBLEMATIC, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT BACKS UP TO 89 8 OR WHATNOT. 
          IT'S, IT'S BEING SO SUCCESSFUL. 
          I THINK EVERY YEAR IT'S, UH, EXPANDING AND EXPANDING FOR USAGE, WHICH IS FABULOUS. 
          I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, IT GETS BOGGED DOWN WITH THAT PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FULLY AGREE. 
          AND, UH, YAVAPAI COUNTY SOLID WASTE DIVISION, UM, IS ALSO AWARE OF IT. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY ACTIVE IN TRYING TO FIND ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS, UM, WHEN THEY, OUR LOCATIONS THAT WE WERE PURSUING LAST YEAR KIND OF FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS. 
          AND WE'VE KIND OF DEFAULTED BACK TO THE CITY HALL ONE SINCE IT WAS A KNOWN, A KNOWN COMMODITY AT THAT POINT. 
          BUT IT'S A, IT'S A DEFINITE OBJECTIVE OF OURS TO FIND A SUITABLE LOCATION FOR IT SINCE IT HAS GROWN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE ALSO, FOR THE, UH, FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL, UH, FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, WE PARTICIPATED IN SOME ZERO WASTE, UH, DIVERSION EFFORTS AT THAT FESTIVAL. 
          AND, UH, IT WAS OUR FIRST KIND OF FORAY INTO A, A LARGER EVENT LIKE THAT. 
          AND, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO DIVERT ABOUT 69% OF THE, UH, FOOD WASTE THAT WAS, UH, COLLECTED ABOUT FOUR, A LITTLE OVER 400 POUNDS OF WASTE, UH, THAT WAS COLLECTED, UH, OR WASTE DIVERTED COM UH, FULLY COLLECTED TO THAT WAS CLOSER TO ABOUT 700 OR 600 OR SO POUNDS, UH, IN TOTAL. 
          THAT WAS FOR THE EVENT. 
          UH, AND THEN WE HAD OUR, WE WRAPPED UP OUR SECOND ROUND OF THE COMMUNITY FOOD SCRAPS, UH, COMPOSTING YEAR TO DATE. 
          THAT'S ALSO INCLUDING THIS, UH, FY 24 NUMBER, UH, FOR THE THIRD ROUND IS THAT, UH, A LITTLE OVER 10,000 POUNDS OF FOOD SCRAPS HAVE BEEN DIVERTED THROUGH THAT PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN FOR THE HOME ENERGY, UH, RETROFIT, UH, WE WRAPPED UP OUR SECOND ROUND OF, IT JUST OPENED UP OUR THIRD ROUND. 
          UH, AND SO FAR WITH THE HOMES THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH IT COLLECTIVELY, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT THEY'RE SAVING ABOUT $16,000, UH, A YEAR ANNUALLY, UH, OR YEAH, UH, A YEAR FOR THOSE SURFACES. 
          AND THEN WE COMPLETED THEIR, UH, URBAN HEAT ISLAND MAPPING EFFORT, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, LOCAL FIRST ARIZONA 
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HAS A GREEN BUSINESS BOOTCAMP, WHICH IS A BOOTCAMP THAT, UH, UH, BUSINESSES IN THE VERDE VALLEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THAT'S FREE, UH, FOR BUSINESSES, UH, THAT COVERS, UM, WASTE LOCAL SOURCING, ENERGY TRANSPORTATION, AND THE LIKE, UH, IS MORE KIND OF EDUCATIONAL WORKSHOP SERIES. 
          AND THEN ALSO PROVIDES, UM, AVENUES FOR THEM TO PURSUE PROJECTS AND ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDING AND THE LIKE. 
          AND SO WE'VE ACTED AS A FACILITATOR FOR THE ENERGY SESSION FOR THAT, AND JUST HELPING GET THE WORD OUT, UH, FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO, UH, PARTNERED WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY FOR THE RIPPLE EFFECT, UH, CAMPAIGN THAT THE MAYOR, UH, HAS A GREAT VIDEO WITH. 
          SO  CAME OUT GREAT. 
          CAN I ASK QUESTION ABOUT THAT, MAYOR? YEAH. 
          CAN I HAVE SOMETHING ALSO, GO AHEAD. 
          DO WE ANTICIPATE THIS RIPPLE EFFECT CAMPAIGN TO SORT OF, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, TO COME BACK TO US WHERE THE CITY MIGHT BE, HAVE A ROLE IN INCENTING TURF REMOVAL, OR ZEROSCAPE OR RETROFITS FOR HOMES OR, OH, THE MYRIAD OF OTHER WATER CONSERVATION ELEMENTS, ? YEAH. 
          SO I, UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, I MEAN, AN ONGOING COLLABORATION, ESPECIALLY WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A LOT OF EDUCATIONAL, UH, COMPONENTS AND TIDBITS AND INFORMATION. 
          AND THEN, UH, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY CAN PROVIDE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE, LIKE WATER AUDITS FOR, UH, FOR PEOPLE WITHIN THE WATER, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY TERRITORY. 
          UH, AND SO THERE'S A, A FUNCTION OF WHAT INCENTIVES THEY CAN PROVIDE. 
          BUT, UM, AND THERE'S A, COMING UP IN MY NEXT SLIDE IS A ASPECT OF, UH, UH, MAYBE A POTENTIAL REBATE ASPECT OF US BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES, UH, MORE TOWARDS THE OUTDOOR WATER FIXTURE SPACE, UM, JUST WITH THE, UM, IMPACTS TO INTERNAL, UH, WATER FIXTURES COULD HAVE A REDUCTION IN WATER OR WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS. 
          INTERNAL BUILDINGS CAN IMPACT WASTEWATER OPERATIONS. 
          UH, SO IF WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE PIPES, IT'S MORE COSTLY TO RUN THE, THE PUMPS AND THE PLANTS, EVERYTHING OUTTA WASTEWATER. 
          SO IT'S TRYING TO, TO BALANCE THOSE, UH, THOSE ASPECTS THERE. 
          SO KIND OF, UH, MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE OUTDOOR, UH, OUTDOOR WATER, UH, SPACES. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BRYCE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, I MEAN, OTHER THAN MEAT PARTICIPATING IN THE VIDEO, HOW ARE YOU AND YOUR TEAM PARTNERING WITH THEM? ARIZONA WATER? UH, SO WE'VE, UH, AT, UH, THE ZERO WASTE EVENT AND AS WELL AS, UH, THE A CLEANUP EVENT WE RECENTLY HAD, UM, WE'RE, UH, ACTING AS LIKE A, AN ADDITIONAL OUTREACH LAYER, UM, TO GET PEOPLE AWARE OF THE PROGRAM AND BRING 'EM IN, UH, TO, UH, THE RIPPLE EFFECT CAMPAIGN. 
          AND THEN, UM, WORKING WITH, UH, THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL EVENTS, OPPORTUNITIES FOR US, UH, THAT CAN HIGHLIGHT WATER CONSERVATION TIPS AND TECHNIQUES, AND, UH, BRING THOSE EFFORTS IN TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND AND BOLSTER, UH, THOSE EFFORTS. 
          I SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, PROJECTS, UH, ONGOING HERE FOR FY UH, 24, WE HAVE THE, UH, LED, UH, STREETLIGHT RETROFIT THAT I MENTIONED. 
          UH, THE DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING WITH MCKINTRY IS KICKING OFF HERE, UH, NEXT WEEK. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, UH, MORE MEETINGS, UH, STARTING HERE IN JANUARY AS WE GET TO DEVELOP THAT ROAD, UH, ROAD MAPPING PLAN. 
          UH, AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THE MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE FIRST DRAFT OF THAT FOR STAFF REVIEW ANTICIPATED HERE IN, UH, DECEMBER. 
          UH, AND THEN PARTNERING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON INCREASED, UH, MUNICIPAL RECYCLING EFFORTS. 
          SO, AND THE OFFICE, UH, BUILDINGS AND LIKE I MAY HAVE SEEN ADDITIONAL, UM, RECYCLING RECEPTACLES AND SIGNAGE THAT'S GOING UP. 
          AND SO WE'RE, UH, PARTNERING ON IMPROVING THOSE EFFORTS WHERE WE CAN. 
          AND THEN CLIMATE ACTION PLAN RELATED, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO LAUNCH THE SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS PROGRAM. 
          UH, WE ARE NOW A PART OF THE SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS NETWORK, AND SO ZACH'S WORKING DILIGENTLY ON, UH, BEING ABLE TO LAUNCH THAT PROGRAM HERE IN THE, UH, FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS OF, UH, 2024. 
          AND THEN, UH, AS MENTIONED, THE URBAN HEAT ISLANDS RECOMMENDATIONS GUIDE. 
          WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE SUSTAINABLE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM? WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? SO THE SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS PROGRAM IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, IS A OPPORTUNITY FOR, WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN, BRING IN IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THEIR IN, IN PARTICULAR, SAY, UH, UH, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR THEIR, UH, THEIR SMALLER COMMUNITY ON IF THEY HAVE AN IDEA ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          UM, AND IT COULD BE, UH, RANGING ANYTHING FROM HOSTING A SOLAR WORKSHOP TO DOING A COMMUNITY GUARDING ASPECT TO IT, A LIKE THE CITY'S FUNCTION WOULD BE A MENTOR IN THAT. 
          AND JUST KIND OF PROVIDING, UM, FEEDBACK ON WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO CREATE THESE PROGRAMS AND THE LIKE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A MONETARY FUNCTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXPENSES TO CREATE, LIKE A PLACARD OR, UM, UH, YEAH, PLACARD OR, UH, SMALL SIGNS OR WHATNOT TO DESIGNATE A COMMUNITY AS, UH, AS PARTICIPATING OR IN, IN THAT SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS NETWORK PIECE. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY TRYING TO GET FOLKS THAT ARE, UH, INVESTED IN SUSTAINABILITY OR WANT TO HAVE MORE COMMUNITY, UH, CONNECTION POINTS, UH, TO GIVE THEM AN OUTLET TO KIND OF, UH, WORK WITH THE CITY ON A MENTOR CAPACITY AND BE 
          [03:35:01]
ABLE TO BUILD, UH, THOSE COMPONENTS OUT. 
          SO IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY INVESTED IN A, A CERTAIN TOPIC, THEY CAN REACH OUT TO US AND, UH, AND SEE HOW WE CAN DEVELOP A, A PROGRAM OR SOMETHING WHERE THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THAT RESIDENT OR THAT RESIDENT GROUP KIND OF LIKE SPEARHEADS IT. 
          AND THEN WE LIKE, UH, PROVIDE THE, THE FRAMEWORK ON HOW TO MAKE IT FUNCTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE HAD THE, UH, THE, I MENTIONED THE THIRD ROUND OF THE COMMUNITY FOOD SCRAPS, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE THIRD ROUND OF THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT. 
          CURRENTLY HAVE 14 HOMES, UH, THAT ARE GOING THROUGH, UH, THAT PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THEN STILL FACILITATING THE, THE, ANOTHER COHORT OF THE LOCAL FIRST BUSINESS BOOTCAMP. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO A NORTHERN ARIZONA SOLAR CO-OP, UH, I THINK IT'S THE THIRD YEAR THAT THEY, OR THIRD GROUND OF IT. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN OUTREACH AND TABLING EVENTS, UH, TO GET PEOPLE'S AWARENESS FOR THAT CO-OP. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, JUST RECENTLY, UH, TRYING TO, UH, EXPLORE WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO WORK WITH LOCAL SCHOOLS TO ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF EDU SUSTAINABLE EDUCATION PROGRAM, UH, AND THE, LIKE THERE, SO VERY, UH, PRELIMINARY, UH, STAGE ON THAT ONE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE HOW THAT ONE GOES, UH, AS WELL AS THE OAK CREEK WATERSHED COUNCIL, UH, CLEANUP EVENTS AND ADDITIONAL OUTREACH FOR STORMWATER EDUCATION AND THE LIKE, SO PROPOSED, UH, FUTURE PROJECTS. 
          UM, SO, UH, LOOKING AT LEVEL TWO EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MUNICIPAL FLEET. 
          UM, SO AS WE LOOK TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION, UH, FOR OUR FLEET VEHICLES TO ZERO EMISSION, UH, WE NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO CHARGE IT. 
          SO IDENTIFYING WHERE THOSE, UH, CURRENTLY ARE AT. 
          AND THAT WILL ALSO, UH, BE A, A PART OF OUR DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING EFFORT, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A PILOT PROJECT DERIVED FROM THAT ROAD MAPPING EFFORT. 
          SO AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THAT IN CONJUNCTION ON THE SIDE, WE'LL BE, UM, PRESENTING A, A PROPOSAL FOR A POTENTIAL PROJECT THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT, UH, AS WELL AS COLLABORATION WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON THE FEASIBILITY OF INTEGRATING THOSE HEAT ISLAND STRATEGIES. 
          UM, AND THEN INCREASED, UH, WASTE AND RECYCLING DIVERSION EFFORTS AT MUNICIPAL DEFENSE AND OPERATIONS. 
          UH, THOSE HAVE, UH, BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL FOR US. 
          SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE HOW WE CAN EXPAND ON THOSE. 
          AND THEN, UH, AS I MENTIONED, COLLABORATING WITH THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY FOR, UH, IMPROVING OR FOR CONDUCTING A, UH, MUNICIPAL WA AUDIT OF, UH, WATER USAGE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY AREAS WITHIN OUR OWN OPERATIONS, UH, UM, TO SEE HOW WE CAN BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN OUR, UH, LANDSCAPE FEATURES AND THE LIKE. 
          THERE ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN SIDE OF THINGS, UH, HEAT ISLAND, UH, MITIGATION PROJECTS AS MENTIONED, MORE KIND OF GEARED TOWARDS THOSE, UH, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENTS, TREE PLANTING, SHADE STRUCTURES AND THE LIKE. 
          UM, AND THEN DEVELOPMENT OF A WORKSHOP, EDUCATIONAL SERIES ON CLIMATE, UH, RESILIENCY OR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. 
          SO THIS IS A, UH, A FAIRLY NEW OPPORTUNITY. 
          THE, THERE IS THE, UH, ARIZONA CLIMATE RESILIENCE CORE, UH, THAT IS, UM, A PARTICIPANT WITHIN N A'S CENTER OF SERVICE AND VOLUNTEERISM, UH, WHERE IT WOULD BE IN ANOTHER AMERICORPS MEMBER THAT WE, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE THE TASK OF, UH, DEVELOPING A WORKSHOP SERIES TO GO OVER CLIMATE RESILIENCY, AS WELL AS COLLABORATING WITH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT AND LIKE TO DEVELOP ON WHAT, HOW RESIDENTS CAN RESPOND TO AN EMERGENCY. 
          IT'S KIND OF EXTENSION OF ALL THOSE EFFORTS THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE, UH, ALREADY BEEN UNDERTAKING AND BEING ANOTHER RESOURCE TO HELP, UH, MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS, UH, THROUGH AN AMERICORPS, UH, TEAM MEMBER FOR THAT PROGRAM. 
          UH, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING, UH, ADDITIONAL, UM, APPLIANCE OR SOLAR REBATE PROGRAM, UM, AS A, AN EXTENSION OF WHAT'S NOT COVERED CURRENTLY IN THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROGRAM, UH, TO TRY TO COVER, UH, MORE ADDITIONAL, UM, PIECES THERE, UH, FOR THOSE SPOTS WHERE YOU SEE KIND OF AN ASTERISK. 
          UH, THAT'S WHERE I'M ALSO LOOKING TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDING, UH, FOR THOSE INITIATIVES. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED WITH THE, THE PRIORITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WITH THE STATE AND THE, LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE OUT THERE. 
          UH, JUST TRYING TO GET THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO, TO NARROW DOWN WHICH ONE THAT IS APPLICABLE FOR US AND, AND, UH, TRY TO AUGMENT, UH, ANY ASKS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE, UH, PROGRAMS, UH, OUT TO WATER FIXTURE REBATE PROGRAM, LOOKING INTO THAT. 
          UM, THE SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS NETWORK DERIVE PROGRAM WOULD ALSO LOOK TO ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDING AS IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GET RAIN BARRELS FOR THEIR COMMUNITY OR SOMETHING. 
          THE ASPECT WOULD BE HOW CAN WE GET RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO HELP BOLSTER THOSE EFFORTS. 
          UH, BUT THE MAIN FUNDS INITIALLY FROM US WOULD BE FOR THOSE PLACARDS AND THE SIGNS THAT WOULD BE CREATED IN MARKETING, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO ENGAGE IN THAT, UH, THAT PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN, UM, LAST, UH, LAST TWO, JUST DEVELOPMENT OF PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, SCHOOLS, PUBLIC LIBRARY COMMUNITY CENTERS FOR CREATION OF CLIMATE RESILIENCE HUB. 
          UH, IT'S AN ACTION, UH, ITEM WITHIN THE, UH, THE CAP, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT. 
          SO, UH, I'LL BE LOOKING TO EXPLORE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, THE COO COUNTY, COO COUNTY HAS A SUSTAINABLE BUILDING PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 20 YEARS, AND IT'S A VOLUNTARY RECOGNITION PROGRAM. 
          UH, SO THE IDEA, UM, THAT WE'RE, WE'D BE LOOKING TO EXPLORE IS EITHER ADOPTING THAT OR TAILORING 
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IT, UH, TO HELP BOLSTER, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT IS WITHIN THAT KIND OF SUSTAINABLE BUILDING COMPONENT AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF, UH, MORE OF A EDUCATIONAL, UM, INCENTIVE DRIVE PEOPLE TOWARDS THAT INSTEAD OF, UH, TRYING TO HAVE A CODE REVISION THAT MIGHT BE MORE PROBLEMATIC, UH, OR, UM, NOT CONDUCIVE FOR DEVELOPERS TO INTERACT, UH, OR DO BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          SO, UH, TRYING TO TAKE THE GREAT WORK THAT COOK ANDINO COUNTY HAS DONE AND SEE HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BOLSTER IT, UH, HERE WITHIN SEDONA. 
          UH, AND WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL THE SLIDES I HAD. 
          WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MADEAS? FOR ME? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, AND IT'S FOR ANDY AND FOR BRYCE. 
          WHEN, UH, THE MAYOR AND I WERE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, ONE OF THE STUDENTS ASKED US ABOUT LIGHTING AT THE BIKE PARK, I MEAN, AT THE SKATE PARK, EXCUSE ME, THE SKATE PARK. 
          AND, UH, THEY USE IT QUITE A BIT. 
          HAS THAT COME UP BEFORE AND IS THAT BUILT INTO ANYTHING? UH, SO PARKS AND REC HAS REACHED OUT, UH, TO US FOR RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR WHAT LIGHTING COMPONENTS AND THE LIKE, UH, MIGHT BE NEEDED FOR, FOR THE SKATE PARK. 
          UM, THAT'S MY, MY AWARENESS OF IT AT THE MOMENT. 
          YEAH, I'VE HEARD THAT ALSO FROM PARKS AND REC, BUT NOTHING MORE THAN, THAN WHAT BRYCE MENTIONED. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WHEN JOSH COMES TO TALK, WE CAN ASK HIM. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANKS, BRYCE. 
          AND I HAVE A QUESTION AS FAR AS, AND IT, IT'S SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T BRING UP, BUT MEETING OUR GOAL BY 2030, THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT, UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE VEHICLES IN THE CITY. 
          UH, AND I'M WONDERING WHERE YOU ARE WITH, UH, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN VEHICLES, SPECIFICALLY POLICE CARS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT WAS A PROBLEM. 
          MAYBE IT WAS JUST A YEAR AGO OR LESS THAN A YEAR WHERE HYBRIDS WEREN'T AVAILABLE, AND HYBRIDS IN POLICE NATIONWIDE ARE A PROBLEM. 
          UM, HOW ARE YOUR ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, THOSE VEHICLES WHEN THEY'RE NOT ATTAINABLE, UH, MOVING FORWARD? UH, SO RIGHT NOW, THE GREEN FLEET POLICY ALLOWS FOR LIKE A, A, A NON-ELECTRIC VEHICLE JUSTIFICATION FORM. 
          UM, AND ESSENTIALLY, UM, FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE STRUGGLING ON GETTING A, UH, A PLUG-IN HYBRID, AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, OR NEED A SIGNIFICANT UPFITTING, UH, COMPONENTS SUCH AS POLICE VEHICLES OR WHATNOT, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN OUR GOAL IS TO WORK WITH A POLICE DEPARTMENT TO IDENTIFY LONG-TERM, WHERE THOSE OPTIONS ARE FOR THAT TRANSITION. 
          BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLE, IT'S NOT MY INTENT TO HOLD A DEPARTMENT UP FROM BEING ABLE TO GET ONE OF THOSE. 
          UH, IT'S, OUR GOAL IS JUST LIKE, IS TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT GET US TO THAT COMPONENT, UM, AS, UH, AS WE MOVE ALONG WITH POLICE VEHICLES AND, AND LARGER TRUCKS. 
          AND LIKE THAT WOULD BE LOOKING, UH, TO ELECTRIFY. 
          UH, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE, UM, THE HURDLES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY FACING ARE GONNA BE SMOOTHED OUT. 
          THERE'S A, A NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN MAKING THAT TRANSITION FOR THEIR POLICE VEHICLES IN PARTICULAR TO ELECTRIC, FROM SOUTH PASADENA TO NEW YORK CITY, UH, TO THE LIKE. 
          AND SO IT'S TRYING TO LEARN FROM WHAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH AND THEN ADAPTING IT, UH, AS BEST AS WE CAN, BELIEVING FLEXIBILITY. 
          IF WE CAN'T FORGET THE VEHICLE, IT'S, THE ASPECT IS LIKE, WE IDENTIFY A PERMANENT SOLUTION AND FINE, BUT I'M NOT, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO SIT THERE AND LIKE, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, THAT'S GOOD, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL THAT WOULD MAKE THE DECISION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AS FAR AS WHETHER IT WOULD BE A DEAD, CAN'T DO IT OR CAN DO IT, UH, THE, UH, IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU BRING UP NEW YORK CITY, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLES. 
          I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEIR VEHICLES, MULTI-TIER DIFFERENCE. 
          THEY WOULD USE, UH, COMMUNITY POLICING. 
          THEY HAVE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT THEY WOULD USE, UH, AND THEY DO USE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. 
          BUT FOR PATROL VEHICLES AND WHAT WE USE HERE, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL. 
          WE DON'T HAVE SLOW MOVING TRAFFIC, UH, UH, POLICE VEHICLES. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE READY TO BE UTILIZED FOR WHATEVER THEY NEED. 
          AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EVEN THE FUTURE, AND IT'S NOT JUST OUR POLICY, IT'S EVEN IN THE FUTURE, THE RELIABILITY OF A POLICE VEHICLE, THAT E HYBRID OR GAS, UH, I DON'T, I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE, IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE THAT WILL MAKE THEM SAFE FOR OUR OFFICERS TO USE THE, THE, THE ASPECT OF THOSE FLEET VEHICLES. 
          AT SOME POINT IN SOME TIME, WE ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED TO GET TO THAT TRANSITION TO CARBON NEUTRAL TO REACH THOSE GOALS AS WE GO ALONG WITH THAT. 
          AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES BECOME MORE PREVALENT, I BELIEVE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BROUGHT UP WITH THOSE VEHICLES WILL HAVE SOLUTIONS THAT ARE FOUND TO THEM IN THE MEANTIME 
          [03:45:01]
WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT PERMANENT SOLUTION IN PLACE. 
          THE ASPECT IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE HURDLES ARE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME STRATEGIES TO OVERCOME THEM. 
          BUT WE'RE ALWAYS BEING CONSIDERATE OF, OF THAT USE OF THAT VEHICLE. 
          UH, AND THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION. 
          SO IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP WITH THOSE VEHICLES IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING IN OUR CONSIDERATION. 
          AND WE THINK THAT AS WE MOVE ALONG WITHIN THE INDUSTRY AND THE, LIKE, THAT THEY'RE GONNA FIND APPLICABLE, UM, APPLICABLE OPTIONS FOR IT TO OVERCOME, UH, THOSE HURDLES. 
          I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE JUDGING THAT BY FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. 
          BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING THAT DEPARTMENTS I'VE CONTACTED, UH, THROUGH GROUPS THAT I'M ASSOCIATED WITH ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THEM, UH, FOR PATROL WORK. 
          SCOTT, TAKE ME IN THE FUTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          IT'S, I THINK HE THANK YOU, JESSICA. 
          HE'S, HE'S REPEATED. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, HE SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING UNTIL THOSE THOSE ARE SOLVED, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE ANSWER, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE UN IF WE'RE UNCOMFORTABLE NOW, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SORT OF, THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD ON, ON SOLVING ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          AND IN DUE TIME. 
          IN DUE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          BRYCE, ARE YOU ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT. 
          QUESTIONS FOR BRYCE. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. 
          WOW. 
          YOU'VE GOT A LOT ON YOUR PLAY. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          AND, UH, IT LOOKS GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS? NO OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, BRYCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD. 
          IT'S ALMOST NOON. 
          YES. 
          UH, JOE, IT'S ON THE WAY. 
          IT'S ON THE WAY. 
          IT'S MAYBE WALKING IN THE DOOR NOW. 
          NOPE. 
          COMING. 
          OH, COMING OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN LET'S, UH, GO ON WITH THE NEXT ONE. 
          WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR LUNCH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION AND RELATIONS. 
          WHEN DID YOU PUT IT IN? WHEN DID YOU PUT IT IN FOLDER MEET? THEY ARE NAMED COMMUNICATIONS PRESENTATION. 
          OH MY GOD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M FINE. 
          THE SUPREME COURT'S GOING THE ENGINEER. 
          OH MY GOD. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO SHOW THE NOTES IN ADDITION? I DO THIS FOR YOU EVERY TIME. 
          , CAN YOU GUYS SEE THE BOARD? OKAY. 
          IT'S SO DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN WE MAYBE DO THE LIGHTS? WHAT DO YOU THINK? I CAN HELP YOU. 
          LET'S GIVE IT A TRY. 
          CAN YOU GET ME NEW EYES? YES, EXACTLY. 
          NEW EYES. 
          YEAH. 
          I NEED NEW EYES. 
          YOU'RE NOT KIDDING. 
          I NEED A LOT OF NEW THINGS. 
          IT'S ON THE SIDE SLIDESHOW. 
          SORRY. 
          HERE. 
          SOMEDAY WE'RE GONNA GET THERE. 
          OH, I HAVE THAT HERE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT THAT BEST FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO. 
          SHOULD NOTE ON. 
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YEAH. 
          THAT'S SO COOL. 
          IS IN CHINESE OR, YES. 
          I THINK IT'S LIKE IN THE PRESENTATION MODE. 
          I'LL, I'LL BE ABLE, YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S IN PRESENTATION MODE. 
          I CAN ITECK I CAN PULL IT UP OVER HERE. 
          HOW ABOUT THAT? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA MAKE IT WORK. 
          YES, I AM. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          IT'S 12 O'CLOCK RIGHT NOW. 
          JUST HIT IT. 
          YES. 
          . 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE UPDATE ON COMMUNICATIONS. 
          OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS THIS YEAR ARE THAT WE COMPLETED THE YEAR-END REVIEW VIDEO AND THE UPCOMING PRIORITIES VIDEOS, IT FEELS LIKE FOREVER AGO. 
          THAT WAS IN JANUARY. 
          UM, AND ROB IS WORKING ON THAT NOW FOR THIS YEAR'S VERSIONS. 
          UM, WE EXECUTED A DEDICATED SOCIAL MEDIA STRATEGY, UM, THAT INCLUDED CREATING LINKEDIN, UM, TO HELP US WITH RECRUITMENT. 
          UM, AND IN THAT WE CREATED 33 SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEOS. 
          UM, I HAVE SOME METRICS TOO, IF YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IN THOSE. 
          UM, BUT SOME OF THE, THE QUICK READ ON THOSE ARE THAT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ON FACEBOOK, CONTENT INTERACTIONS FROM CALENDAR, CALENDAR YEAR 22 TO CALENDAR YEAR 23, UM, ARE UP 72%. 
          LINK CLICKS ARE UP 90%. 
          WOW. 
          UM, NEW LIKES OF 1400, UM, EQUALING OUR TOTAL FANS OF 11,000. 
          UH, OUR PAID REACH IS UP 330%. 
          UM, PAID IMPRESSIONS UP 433%. 
          UM, I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING. 
          OUR INSTANT MESSAGE CONVERSATIONS ARE UP 685% . 
          SO THAT'S ALL THE CONVERSATIONS KEEGAN IS HAVING. 
          UM, THROUGH DIRECT MESSAGES, UH, INSTAGRAM REACHES UP 146% CONTENT INTERACTIONS UP A HUNDRED PERCENT NEW FOLLOWERS, 702 FOR TOTAL FOLLOWERS OF 4,000. 
          SO, UM, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THAT, UM, BECAUSE YOU ALL SHARE THE MESSAGES. 
          I SEE THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR HELPING AMPLIFY THAT. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, WE'VE, WE WE'RE REALLY PROUD WITH OUR WORK OF, UM, HOW MUCH KEEGAN HAS DEDICATED INTO TO MAKING THIS PLATFORM ALL IT CAN BE FOR US. 
          UM, WE LAUNCHED A WEBSITE OPTIMIZATION PROJECT AND ARE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY COMPLETE WITH THAT. 
          I ACTUALLY WANNA POP OUT, UM, AND SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE OLD WEBSITE LOOKED LIKE AND WHAT A VERSION OF THE NEW ONE LOOKED LIKE, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          SO HERE WAS THE OLD WEBSITE AND, UM, FROM A, THE CONTENT IS ALL THERE. 
          IT'S JUST NOT AS EASY TO, UM, FIND EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT. 
          AND IT IS LONG, VERY LONG, STILL LONG, BORING, KEEP GOING, LONG , RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S ALL THERE SHOULD YOU WANT TO HAVE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY READ IT. 
          UM, AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT WAS OPTIMIZED. 
          SO EVERYTHING IS ABOVE THE FOLD, AS I LIKE TO CALL IT. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS IT. 
          SO WE TOOK ALL OF THAT CONTENT AND COMBINED IT INTO ONE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A REALLY COOL COMPOST TRACKER OVER HERE THAT TELLS EVERYBODY HOW MUCH COMPOST WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, COLLECTED. 
          THE APPLICATION IS REALLY EASY TO FIND, UM, REALLY EASY TO FIND WHERE THE LOCATION AND DROP OFF IS. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE'RE USING THINGS LIKE, UH, I, WE CALL THIS COLLAPSIBLE CONTENT. 
          UM, AND SO YOU CAN COLLAPSE IT AND OPEN IT, UM, SHOULD YOU WANNA GO DIVE INTO ALL OF THAT DETAIL, BUT YOU'RE NOT AS OVERWHELMED AS WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY LAND ON THE PAGE. 
          SO BEAUTIFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          LAUREN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I CAN'T TAKE THE CREDIT. 
          THIS IS ROB. 
          I, I KNOW YOU CAN'T, BUT YOU'VE GOT HIM AND HE'S YOUR STAFF, SO CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HERE. 
          I'M OKAY. 
          UH, SO WE HAD ANOTHER YEAR OF STRAIGHT TALKS AND ROUNDUPS. 
          UM, BOTH OF THOSE CONTINUED TO DO REALLY WELL. 
          RESIDENTS LOVE BEING ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND TALK TO HER ABOUT ANY TOPIC OF THEIR CHOICE, UM, WHICH IS ALWAYS FASCINATING, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST HELPFUL FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR, UH, FOR US TO HAVE THAT KIND OF DIRECT LINE TO PEOPLE AS WELL TO HEAR KIND OF WHAT THEIR DAY-TO-DAY ISSUES ARE. 
          NOT THAT WE DON'T HEAR THAT ENOUGH, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL NICE TO HAVE THAT INTIMATE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE. 
          [03:55:01]
UM, THE ROUNDUPS CONTINUE TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD OPEN RATE. 
          IT'S HANGING AROUND 40%, SO THAT IS, THAT'S NICE. 
          UH, PRESS RELEASES, WE HAVE OVER 90 CENT, UM, IN THE CALENDAR YEAR, SO WE'RE PACING JUST SLIGHTLY LESS THAN LAST YEAR, BUT STILL QUITE A BIT FROM HISTORIC YEARS. 
          UM, SO A LOT OF INFORMATION TO GET OUT THERE. 
          UH, WE HELD THE CITIZENS ACADEMY WITH 20 ATTENDEES, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEM RATED THEIR EXPERIENCES GOOD OR BETTER, WHICH, UM, EVEN LAST YEAR WE HAD THE SAME, UH, EVERYBODY DID RATE IT GOOD OR BETTER, UH, UH, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NEXT YEAR, IF WE'RE GONNA HOLD IT EARLIER OR IF WE'RE GONNA STILL HOLD IT DURING THE ELECTION. 
          UH, BUT TO BE SEEN, UH, WE HELD 11 WORK GROUPS WITH 72 PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S HIGHER THAN WE HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY. 
          NORMALLY WE'RE ABOUT FIVE TO SIX WORK GROUPS A YEAR. 
          UM, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST YEAR AS WE'VE LAUNCHED QUITE A FEW PROJECTS. 
          UM, WE CONTINUE TO DO COMMUNICATIONS AND ENGAGEMENT, UM, UH, DEDICATED ENGAGEMENT PLANS ON BIG PROJECTS, THINGS LIKE, UM, SHARED USE PATHS, UM, FOREST ROAD, UM, UPTOWN, NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, ALL OF THOSE, A LOT OF THOSE, UM, LARGER, UH, PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS. 
          WE WORK ON WHAT THAT ENGAGEMENT PLAN LOOKS LIKE. 
          WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT THE FAQS AS THEY'RE NEEDED, AS THOSE ISSUES POP UP. 
          AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO USE OUR PR SERVICES FIRM TO HELP BOOST THE AMOUNT OF COMMUNICATIONS MATERIALS THAT WE PUT OUT. 
          , KATHY? YEAH. 
          ON THE FAQS. 
          UM, ARE, ARE THE, YOU'VE REVISED THE ONES THAT WERE THERE, HAVE NEW ONES ALSO BEEN ADDED? WE HAVE, UM, AND THERE'S CERTAINLY ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT ON THE, THE ONES THAT, THAT STAY THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD WITH FAQS THE MINUTE YOU PUT IT OUT, IT'S OUTDATED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO IT IS, IT IS, IT DOES NEED TO BE, UM, REVISITED FREQUENTLY. 
          WE JUST REDID THE TRANSIT FAQS, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD LAST DONE THEM IN 2021 OR SO. 
          BUT, UM, WE DO PUT OUT NEW ONES. 
          THEY'RE VERY HELPFUL. 
          IT'S JUST, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          IT'S A GREAT WAY TO GO IN AND GET WHAT YOU NEED QUICKLY AND ALREADY DONE. 
          IT'S VERY HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, YOU BET. 
          VICE MAYOR LAUREN. 
          I, I THINK, THINK THAT, THAT THE PRESENCE OF THE CITY HAS BEEN REALLY, ESPECIALLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          MM-HMM. 
           HAS BEEN TERRIFIC. 
          VERY FACTUAL, EASY TO READ COMMUNICATIONS. 
          HOW MANY DIFFERENT WAYS WE SENT OUT INFORMATION ON THE CLOSURE OF 89 A THIS PAST WEEK WAS ENORMOUS AND PEOPLE STILL DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS CLOSED AND TRIED TO GO. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A, UH, OLDER POPULATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND MANY OF WHOM ARE NOT COMFORTABLE, DON'T EVER USE SOCIAL MEDIA, NOT COMFORTABLE ON THE INTERNET. 
          HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE WITH THEM? I KNOW WE'VE TRIED TO CRACK THIS CODE MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT ARE WE PLANNING TO DO ANY DIRECT MAIL OR OTHER FORMS OF COMMUNICATION? SO IF WE USE THE 89 A EXAMPLE, MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, WHICH ONE? THE ADOT CLOSURE OR THE FOREST ROAD CLOSURE? ADOT IS THE ONE I WAS REFERRING TO. 
          ADOT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO I AM AT THE MERCY OF THEM. 
          UM, AND THEY DID DO DIRECT DOOR TO DOOR WITH THOSE BUSINESSES IN THE CANYON. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT HE DID LOTS OF OUTREACH TO THEM, BUT I'M AT THE MERCY OF, I'M, I'M JUST THE, THE MESSENGER AT THAT POINT. 
          AND SO, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS LATEST ONE IN WHICH IT WAS CLOSED FOR AN EXTRA WEEK LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          YEP. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HE FINDS OUT MY CON MY MY COUNTERPART AT ADOT FINDS OUT ON FRIDAY AND SENDS ME A TEXT MESSAGE, EMERGENCY  INFORMATION COMING SOON. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON HOW I WOULD REACH SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T USE AN EMERGENCY ALERT OR WHO DOESN'T USE THE INTERNET, BECAUSE IN THAT INSTANCE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. 
          WHAT? LIKE, CARRY YOUR PIGEONS? I MEAN, DRONES. 
          I, I DON'T SIRENS. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST, SO A COUPLE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO FOR THOSE KINDS OF, SO YOU HAVE THINGS THAT ARE LONG LEAD ITEMS, AND WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THINGS WHERE WE'RE LITERALLY MAILING SOMETHING TO EVERY SINGLE HOME. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN SEDONA. 
          UM, THE THINGS THAT ARE MORE EMERGENT, WE HAVE BEEN USING THE DIGITAL SIGNS OUT, UH, ON THE STREETS AND NICKEL, EVEN FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANNA USE A COMPUTER, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A PHONE AND CAN RECEIVE A TEXT MESSAGE, 
          [04:00:01]
WE HAVE BEEN SENDING NICKEL NOTIFICATIONS, AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA SEND TOO MANY NICKELS SO THAT PEOPLE IGNORE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR EMERGENCIES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT WE FELT THE CANYON CLOSURE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE WORK, WE WEREN'T QUITE SURE HOW THE BLASTING WOULD GO. 
          AND, AND THE CLOSURES THAT WE WERE PLANNING FOR THAT PROJECT, WE DID SEND THOSE THROUGH NICKEL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I KNOW. 
          IT'S TOUGH. 
          I'M, I'M OPEN, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, BUT IN THAT INSTANCE, I DON'T HAVE A BETTER WAY THAN THE WAY THAT WE DID IT. 
          YOU KNOW, I WAS CONTACTED BY SOMEBODY WHO I KNOW WHO LIVES ABOVE THE BLAST SITE ON 89 A MM-HMM. 
           BY TOM, ACTUALLY BY THOMPSON TRAIL. 
          AND HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON UP UNTIL THE EXTRA WEEK. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND HE CALLED ME YELLING AND SCREAMING AND TELLING ME, THIS IS UNFAIR. 
          WHO DO WE CONTACT? DO I CONTACT THE GOVERNOR? AND I SAID, YOU REALIZE THAT THIS IS AN EMERGENCY, THAT THIS IS A TRUE ISSUE THAT WASN'T PLANNED, AND HE JUST WANTED TO VENT. 
          AND YOU CAN'T MEASURE THAT. 
          YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. 
          SO YOU JUST LISTEN. 
          AND, BUT IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT THIS IS A PERSON WHO IS TECHNOLOGICALLY, UH, UP TO DATE AND IT STILL DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          THEY JUST COULDN'T DEAL WITH IT. 
          SO I WAS CONTACTED BY A WOMAN CALLED IN THE OFFICE, UH, TWO DAYS AGO, DOESN'T DO SOCIAL MEDIA AT ALL, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT NICKEL, EVEN THOUGH I HAD SPOKEN TO THIS WOMAN ABOUT NICKEL SIX MONTHS AGO. 
          YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING. 
          YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, RUN AROUND WITH LEAFLETS. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS TRULY REMARKABLE. 
          SO I HAVE MORE ABOUT THAT IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, JESSICA. 
          YEAH, I JUST, THE REASON COMMUNICATION WAS SO PROBLEMATIC BEFORE SOCIAL MEDIA IS THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T DO IT. 
          AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE PHONES AND REFUSE TO USE COMPUTERS, I'M SORRY, THEY JUST NOT GOING TO TO BE NOTIFIED OF THINGS. 
          AND AS THAT NUMBER GETS REDUCED, THE PROB THAT PROBLEM WILL BE SOLVED. 
          SO I, I HONESTLY DON'T, FOR ME, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY BANG FOR ANY BUCK IN TRYING TO DO MUCH MORE WITH THOSE PEOPLE THAN WE ALREADY DO. 
          AND I WOULDN'T, I ACTUALLY E EVEN THE POSTCARD THAT WAS SENT TO EVERYBODY REQUIRES YOU GO TO YOUR COMPUTER AND DO THE SURVEY. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TIME ANYBODY SHOULD ACTUALLY SPEND ON, ON, ON A PROBLEM THAT COULDN'T BE SOLVED BEFORE SOCIAL MEDIA AND MAY NOT, BUT I'M SURE THAT SHOULD SOMETHING ARISE, WE WILL, ALL LAUREN WILL KNOW ABOUT IT AND WE WILL ALL TELL HER THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING. 
          SO I JUST THINK I, I AGREE. 
          IT'S AN ISSUE. 
          I THINK THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FOR WHOM IT IS AN ISSUE IS SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER EVERY YEAR AND PRETTY SOON. 
          BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IN THE, THAT AT SOME POINT THERE WILL STILL BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO IT. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU DO WITH THOSE PEOPLE. 
          I'M, I, I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE PARTNERING WITH MEALS ON WHEELS OR VERDE RALLY CAREGIVERS WHO ARE HAVING CONTACT PERSON TO PERSON CONTACT, IT COULD HELP PROVIDE INFORMATION IF WE LET THEM KNOW AND THEN THEY HAD THEIR VOLUNTEERS. 
          THAT'S A WAY, IT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          UM, YEAH, WITH THE ROAD CLOSURES, IT IS HARD 'CAUSE IT, FOREST ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, I CALL THAT PROJECT MANAGER THE MINUTE BEFORE I SEND THE ALERT TO SAY, ARE WE STILL SURE  BEFORE I SEND THIS OUT? UM, SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A A, I'M ALWAYS HESITANT TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING THAT WE THEN HAVE TO PUT OUT AND SAY, OOPS, JUST KIDDING, IT'S THIS DAY INSTEAD OF THAT DAY BECAUSE IT CHANGES SO QUICKLY. 
          BUT WITH ALL THAT SAID, POINT TAKEN AND THEY'RE A GOOD RESOURCE AND I SHOULD USE THEM MORE. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          CONTINUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M GONNA CARRY ON FOR THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR THE REST OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, MOSTLY IT'S TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAM OF WORK THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, IT'S TO FINISH THE WEBSITE OPTIMIZATION PROCESS AND THEN DEVELOP WHAT MAINTENANCE MODE LOOKS LIKE. 
          WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET. 
          UM, AND SO ROB AND I WILL BE FIGURING THAT OUT OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. 
          UM, CREATE A 2023 LOOKBACK, UM, VIDEO AND UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR PRIORITIES VIDEO, AND THEN TO PUBLISH 
          [04:05:01]
THE COMMUNITY REPORT HOPEFULLY IN JANUARY. 
          UM, NEW FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          THIS IS JUST THE SAME KIND OF ROTATION THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE, UM, EVERY TWO TO THREE YEARS. 
          IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT I HAVE WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE A NEW CITY MANAGER AT THAT TIME ON IF WE DO A COMMUNITY SURVEY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, WHICH WOULD OCCUR IN 2024. 
          THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS IN CALENDAR YEAR 2022. 
          SO DEPENDING ON IF, IF THEY FIND THAT INFORMATION USEFUL, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TELL ME THAT IF YOU THINK TWO OR THREE YEARS MATTERS, YOU KNOW, IF 2024 IS IMPORTANT TO YOU OR IF 2025 IS BETTER. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE ON MY DOCKET FOR NEW, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WHY ARE YOU SELLING YOURSELF A LITTLE SHORT? WHAT I, WHAT DID I SELL MYSELF SHORT? YOU'RE NOT EVEN ADDRESSING WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH TOURISM THE SAME TEAM. 
          I NO, NO, I, BUT IT'S STILL FROM THE SAME TEAM AND THE SAME, SAME WORK THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER AND SHE STILL MANAGED TO COME UP WITH ALL THAT WORK PRODUCT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T WANT TO FORGET THAT. 
          AND YES, IT'S DIFFERENT GROUP AND DIFFERENT TOPIC, BUT THE SAME TEAM. 
          AND I THINK YOU'VE JUST ACCOMPLISHED A LOT FOR BOTH PRODUCTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE GOAL IS TO KEEP ALL THE BALLS IN THE AIR. 
          YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. 
          , BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, LAUREN, THAT, UH, CONGRATS TO YOU AND THE TEAM FOR ALL THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE ON THE TOURISM FRONT IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          UH, I DO HAVE TWO OTHER ITEMS. UH, ONE IS WE HAD A LENGTHY MEETING A FEW WEEKS BACK REGARDING AN UPTOWN PARKING STRUCTURE AND ULTIMATELY COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION REALLY ON A BUNDLE OF DIFFERENT INITIATIVES THAT ALL KIND OF GO IN CONCERT WITH ONE ANOTHER. 
          AND ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS FOR US TO PUT A BRANDED COMMUNICATION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS TOGETHER AS IT INVOLVES THAT BUNDLE OF EFFORTS TO TRY TO BUILD SOME COMMUNITY AND SOME ENTHUSIASM BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES IN THE UPTOWN AREA. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PERFECT, YOU KNOW, UH, PITHY, UH, NAME FOR THE PROGRAM YET OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, AWESOME UPTOWN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S A, A REAL OPPORTUNITY AS WELL AS A NEED TO TRY TO ADDRESS, UH, A RATHER FRACTURED RELATIONSHIP QUITE OFTEN BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS, UH, AND THE BUSINESSES OF UPTOWN. 
          SO THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD LOVE TO SEE BE INCORPORATED IN THE VARIOUS INITIATIVES THAT, UH, WE PROVIDED DIRECTION ON THE OTHER. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU ARE INVOLVED IN TOUCHES A NUMBER OF THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR LIST HERE, RIGHT? SO I KNOW COMING UP IS EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND, AND ACTUALLY THIS IS ALSO COMING OUT OF THE UPTOWN PARKING STRUCTURE DISCUSSIONS AS WELL, THAT SOMEHOW WE GOTTA DO THE BEST WE CAN AND MAYBE WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO CRITICISM HERE. 
          UM, BUT SOMEHOW TO ADDRESS THE MISINFORMATION, THE WILLFUL MISINFORMATION, THE WILLFUL, UH, CHOOSING TO STATE THAT A RESIDENT IS MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN AN EMERGENCY, UH, PREPAREDNESS PROFESSIONAL. 
          AND BEING ABLE TO DESCRIBE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN PLACE TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND REALLY TRY TO BE POSITIVE AND FORCEFUL AS NEEDED, UH, TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WE'RE DOING THE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S ALL THIS FALSE INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT I REALLY DO THINK NEEDS TO BE COMBATED. 
          SO, UM, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. 
          UH, I HOPE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN ALSO BE ADDRESSED. 
          BUT, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND, UH, THOSE ARE MY TWO COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, LAUREN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE 30 MINUTES FOR LUNCH. 
          HOW GENEROUS. 
          UNLESS YOU WANNA DO LESS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL BE BACK AT TEN TWO, ONE. 
          WE HAVE THAT ON RADAR. 
          ALRIGHT, WE ARE BACK LIVE. 
          AND THERESA SUMMARY. 
          I MIGHT OKAY. 
          SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, MANAGEMENT RIGHT. 
          FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          SO GO FOR IT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          I AM GOING TO JUST GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE COUNCIL PRIORITY OF MANAGING IMPACTS FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          HAVE A LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND WHAT IS CURRENTLY GOING ON. 
          WHAT IS PLANNED. 
          SO THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR THE YEAR ARE THAT WE UPDATED THE SECTION OF CITY CODE TO IMPLEMENT SENATE BILL 1168, 
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LAUNCHED THE PERMITTING PROCESS WITH AN INITIAL DEADLINE OF FEBRUARY 15TH, 2023. 
          A NOTICE LETTER WAS SENT OUT, UH, THE FIRST WEEK IN JANUARY TO ALL OF THE OWNERS TO JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT IT WAS COMING SO THAT WE HAD A BETTER RESPONSE. 
          AND I ALSO SENT, UH, THE SAME NOTICE LETTER OUT TO THE PROPERTY MANAGERS. 
          OVER THE YEARS WORKING WITH SEDONA PROPERTY MANAGERS. 
          MANY OF THEM EVIDENCE THE DESIRE TO REALLY WORK WITH THE CITY AND IT WORKS WELL FOR THEM TO BE NOTICED IN ADVANCE. 
          SO WHAT THAT DID WAS THEY WERE ALL READY FOR THE PERMIT LETTERS THAT THEIR CLIENTS RECEIVED. 
          AND THE PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT WERE WORKING WITH THIS, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM GOT ALL OF THEIR CLIENTS PERMITTED WITHIN THE FIRST TWO TO THREE WEEKS OF PROGRAM. 
          SO THAT, THAT KIND OF CONTACT AND RELATIONSHIP WITH PROPERTY MANAGERS IS A, IS A GREAT IDEA. 
          UM, WE HAD A LAND DEVELOPMENT CHANGE REGARDING WEDDING AND SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023. 
          I HAVE WORKED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WE MET WITH PROPERTY MANAGERS IN JULY AND, UM, GAVE THEM SOME UPDATES, CLARIFIED SOME THINGS ABOUT THE PROGRAM THAT THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AND HANDED OUT THE FIRST ROUND OF GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURES. 
          AND WE WILL CONTINUE THOSE MEETINGS INTO THIS YEAR AND PROBABLY INTO NEXT YEAR. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A RELATIONSHIP WE WANNA CONTINUE TO GROW. 
          UM, THE GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURE WAS CREATED WITH A COOPERATIVE EFFORT THROUGH THE, UH, SEDONA CHAMBER AS PART OF THEIR COMPLETION OF THEIR FISCAL YEAR 23 CONTACT FOR CONTRACT FOR SERVICES. 
          AND THAT WAS COMPLETED AND I SAID JUST DISTRIBUTE IT IN JULY. 
          AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO DO SMALL BATCHES AND, AND WE'LL DO THAT. 
          THERE WAS A CITY TALK ARTICLE ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROGRAM BASICALLY EXPLAINING THE HOTLINE, THE PERMITTING PROCESS ENFORCEMENT, AND MENTIONING THE RENT LOCAL OPTION. 
          UM, NOTICE TO PROPERTY OWNERS REMINDING THEM THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE PROHIBITED FROM HOSTING AN EVENT. 
          AND THAT NOTICE WAS SENT OUT RECENTLY AND THAT WAS AFTER WE HAD ACTUALLY I'D WORKED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WE DID CITE ONE PROPERTY FOR HOSTING AN EVENT. 
          AND IT WAS AN INTERESTING CASE BECAUSE THEY KIND OF EMAILED ME AND TOLD ME THEY WERE HAVING THE EVENT. 
          AND THERE THERE WAS A WHOLE DISCUSSION THAT ENSUED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT AND TALKED TO SEVERAL MEMBERS OF STAFF AND THEY ELECTED TO HOLD THE EVENT ANYWAY. 
          UM, BUT A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, AND THEY ARE NOW WELL AWARE AND, UH, PAID A NOMINAL FINE FOR THEIR CHOICE, BUT EVERYBODY'S BEEN NOTIFIED AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE THEM IN THE FUTURE. 
          THERESA? YES. 
          UH, HOLDING AN EVENT, ISN'T THAT ONE OF THE, UH, UH, UNDER PENALTY OF, UH, HAVING YOUR LICENSE REVOKED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? YES. 
          YES IT IS. 
          AND I WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY WITH THAT. 
          BUT OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN DISCUSSION AND THE FACT THAT THIS WAS OUR FIRST CASE AND A NOTICE OF REMINDER WAS SENT OUT TO EVERYONE AGAIN. 
          UM, SO GOING FORWARD, ANY FURTHER INFRACTIONS OF THAT? YES, I WILL BE VERY INTERESTED IN REVOKING PERMITS AND THAT REVOCATION CAN BE UP TO A YEAR AND INCLUDE ALSO FINES. 
          SO YEAH, I, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN, IN SEEING WHERE THAT GOES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THERESA, WHAT TYPE OF EVENT WAS IT? IT WAS A WEDDING POST WEDDING CELEBRATION, SO BASICALLY A SECOND RECEPTION. 
          AND THE NOTICE THAT I SENT OUT TO HOMEOWNERS WAS WEDDINGS, RECEPTIONS, RETREATS, WORKSHOPS. 
          IT TRIED TO BROADEN THAT LIST TO SAY THESE THINGS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS NOT AN EVENT VENUE. 
          UM, I MET WITH ONE OF THE RECENT, OR THE LOCAL HOA BOARDS TO DISCUSS OUR PROGRAM AND DISTRIBUTE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURE. 
          AND THIS HOA ACTUALLY HAS A CC AND R IN PLACE AND THEY'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN BLOCKING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT THEY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND THE CITY ORDINANCES AND THE BROCHURES. 
          AND, UH, THEIR PROPERTY MANAGER HAS CONTACTS WITH SEVERAL OTHER HOAS. 
          SO IT'S PART OF MY GOAL IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND ONGOING TO DEVELOP THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH HOAS AND CONTINUE TO DO EDUCATION WITH THEM. 
          UM, AND I ALSO WORKED WITH LISA LUS AND WE DEVELOPED A-A-G-I-S LAYER, UH, FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          YES. 
          SO FOR CURRENT AND PLANNED ACTIONS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, 
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UM, I AM NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S CONTINUING TO LOBBY FOR CHANGES IN LEGISLATION AND THE MAYORS MENTIONED HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THAT, UM, TO ALLOW LOCAL CONTROL AND REGULATION. 
          IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE I CONTINUE TO GET PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO WANNA BUY PROPERTY AND WANT REASSURANCES THAT THEIR INVESTMENT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE AN STR WHENEVER IT IS THEY GET AROUND TO BUYING PROPERTY. 
          AND ALL I WILL AM ABLE TO SAY IS, WELL, HERE'S WHAT I HAVE TODAY. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONTINUED INTEREST IN LOCAL CONTROL, BUT WE'RE NOT, THAT'S AN ONGOING WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          SO I'M NOT GETTING AS MANY INVESTOR CALLS. 
          IT'S, IT'S A TRICKLE, BUT PEOPLE STILL, REALTORS STILL CONTINUE TO CALL ME AND, AND LOOK FOR THAT. 
          WE ARE AT, UH, IT FLUCTUATES. 
          WE'RE ABOUT AT 95% COMPLIANCE AS OF NOVEMBER. 
          AND SEVERAL ROUNDS OF LETTERS AND EMAILS HAVE BEEN SENT TO OWNERS OF, FOR THE NEW REQUIREMENTS AND NOTICES OF VIOLATION HAVE BEEN SENT. 
          UH, I THINK WE'VE HAD, I'M GONNA SAY PROBABLY SEVEN OR EIGHT NOTICES OF VIOLATION. 
          AND WHETHER OR NOT THOSE BECOME CITATIONS A LOT OF TIMES HAS TO DO WITH THE JUDGE'S READING OF THE ISSUE. 
          BUT, UM, I KNOW WE HAD FOR SURE A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO WERE CITED FOR NON-COMPLIANCE OF OBTAINING PERMITS THERE, JESSICA, 95% RATE'S. 
          ASTONISHING AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT. 
          AND I, I I, I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE THE ENFORCEMENT THAT YOU'RE DOING, THE AGGRESSIVE ENFORCEMENT, AND I THINK CERTAINLY I APPRECIATE IT AND I, I THINK THE COMMUNITY SHOULD APPRECIATE TOO THAT THIS IS AN ASTONISHING RATE OF COMPLIANCE I EXPECT FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR THING. 
          SO GOOD WORK AND CONTINUED PUSHING ON IT. 
          REALLY GOOD, THANKS. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE PERM THE RENEWAL PROGRAM IS LAUNCHED FOR THE PERMITS. 
          SO I'M STARTING TO SEE PERMIT RENEWALS AND WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PERMITTING PROCESS LAST YEAR, AN ASTONISHING NUMBER OF PEOPLE STILL HAD NO IDEA WHAT A TPT LICENSE WAS. 
          IT WAS LIKE 40%. 
          AND KAREN AND KURT'S, VERY WISE COUNSEL WAS TO NOT DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM GETTING PERMITS AND TO KIND OF LEAVE THIS, THIS PAST YEAR AS KIND OF A LEARNING YEAR, BUT IT'S RENEWAL TIME AND EVERYBODY KNOWS NOW A TPT LICENSE IS REQUIRED. 
          AND I HAVE RECEIVED AROUND A HUNDRED PERMIT RENEWALS SO FAR, AND WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE A TPT LICENSE OR THEY HAVE AN INCORRECT NUMBER, I'M NOT APPROVING THEM. 
          AND THEY'RE GETTING AN EMAIL AND LETTING THEM KNOW THIS IS REQUIRED AND THEIR PERMIT WON'T BE APPROVED WITHOUT IT. 
          AND, UM, IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT ACTION AND DISCUSSION OCCURRED, THE CITY NOW CAN CITE. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY GIVES ME A RENEWAL NOTE, A PERMIT RENEWAL, THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR TPT LICENSE. 
          I'VE NOTICED THEM. 
          THEY GET PAST THEIR RENEWAL DATE AND THEY LET IT LAPSE. 
          WE CAN CITE THEM FOR OPERATING WITHOUT A PERMIT. 
          AND I PLAN TO DO THAT. 
          I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A VERY GENEROUS YEAR. 
          I HAVE SENT OUT SOMETHING LIKE 1500 EMAILS EDUCATING PEOPLE. 
          I HAVE EDUCATED DOCUMENTS. 
          I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS I HAVE EXPLAINED THE TPT REQUIREMENT AND HOW TO GET IT. 
          I HAVE THREE REFERRALS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN HELP PEOPLE GET THEIR TPTS. 
          SO I THINK THE CITY HAS BEEN MORE THAN GENEROUS AND, UM, I'M TRYING NOT TO BE TOO EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME ENFORCEMENT . 
          UM, AND, AND THAT SAID, I WILL TELL YOU, MOST OWNERS WANT TO COMPLY. 
          AND I FIND A TREMENDOUS GOODWILL. 
          AND THE REASON WE HAVE 95% COMPLIANCE IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE AND YOU GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THEY DO IT SO THAT WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE DO LOVE SEDONA, AND BY AND LARGE, THEY WANT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. 
          SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A PART OF THE PROGRAM'S SUCCESS. 
          I, UM, AS I SAID, CONTINUE TO SITE OWNERS FOR NON-COMPLIANCE. 
          A LIST OF ALL THE PERMITTED SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH THEIR EMERGENCY CONTACT WILL BE PUBLISHED TO THE CITY WEBSITE. 
          AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ROB AND HE IS VERY GEN, UH, DILIGENTLY PURSUING GRANICUS. 
          THERE ARE SOME WIDGET UPDATES THAT NEED TO BE MADE SO THAT THE LIST OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAN BE SEARCHABLE. 
          AND, UM, GRANICUS IS KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR A COUPLE MONTHS AND IS DRAGGING THEIR FEET. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE TRIED TO MARKET ME FOR THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROGRAM AND I THINK THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CALL THEM AND ASK THEM 
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WHY WE WOULD WANNA WORK WITH THEM WHEN WE CAN'T GET OUR WEBSITE UPDATED. 
          SO I THINK I MAY TRY TO USE THAT LEVER TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET ON BOARD WITH FIXING OUR, OUR WEBSITE WIDGETS. 
          I PLAN TO HAVE A JANUARY MEETING WITH REALTORS TO DISCUSS THE LIMIT OF UNITS ON PROPERTY AND DISTRIBUTE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURES. 
          UM, BRIAN ARMSTRONG WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN INTRODUCING ME TO REALTORS AND WE'VE CONTINUED WITH THE MEETINGS AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING. 
          'CAUSE WHEN I SHOW UP IN DIFFERENT PLACES LOOKING AT HOUSES OR DIFFERENT THINGS, I SEEM TO BE RECOGNIZED BY REALTORS. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD EFFORT. 
          AND THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE. 
          THEY LIKE TO BE INCLUDED INTO INFORMATION, SO WE'LL JUST CONTINUE THAT RELATIONSHIP. 
          UM, AS WELL AS WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS, I AM WORKING ON DEVELOPING AN OPERATIONS MANUAL FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM. 
          I LOVE MY JOB, BUT IF I WIN THE LOTTERY, YOU CAN FIND ME IN HAWAII . 
          SO IT WOULD BE A REAL SHAME TO, UM, HAVE PUT SO MUCH EFFORT INTO THIS WITHOUT REALLY ENSURING THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM ONGOING. 
          SO I REALLY WANT TO HAVE ALL THE DETAILS SO THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN PICK THAT UP IF NEEDED. 
          UM, I ALSO WILL BE WORKING ON DEVELOPING SOME TRAINING FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT SO THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THERE'S GO OSS HAS ADDED A SERIES OF, OF TAGS FOR TRACKING CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES. 
          AND NOW THE NEXT STEP WILL BE IN TRACKING OR TRAINING CODE SO THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO USE GO OSS AND MUNI REVS AND, AND MAKE USE OF THAT. 
          AND THEN WE CAN COORDINATE WITH THE PROGRAM. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO ON THE DOCKET. 
          I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT ON MY LIST, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A STEP THAT'S COMING. 
          I WILL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THE HOA BOARDS AND DISTRIBUTE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURE. 
          AND I HOPE TO MEET WITH BOTH KAREN AND KURT AND KIND OF REVIEW THE PROGRAM IN OVER THE PAST YEAR AND KIND OF LOOK WHERE WE CAN MAYBE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS OR FINE TUNE THINGS TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, MANAGING THE PERMIT RENEWAL PROCESS. 
          SO IT'S, UM, I'VE LEARNED A LOT. 
          IT'S BEEN A BIG FIRST YEAR AND I, I HAVE REALLY ENJOYED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THIS PROGRAM TOGETHER AND, AND CREATE SOMETHING OF VALUE TO THE CITY THAT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY MEANINGFUL FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PETE? NO, JUST ONE QUESTION QUICK, THERESA, THE MAYOR I SEE IN OUR PACKET, YOU DIDN'T PUT THAT PART OF YOUR SLIDE UP, BUT WE'RE STILL AT 16.8% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK. 
          THAT NUMBER SEEMS TO HAVE FLATTENED AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD AND IMPORTANT NUMBER, BUT I WONDER IF THERE'S NOT ANOTHER METRIC THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO DEVELOP. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A CITYWIDE NUMBER AND MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE IN PROTECTED ZONES, AND SO THAT MEANS THE NUMBER IS HIGHER WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED. 
          AND I THINK SOME NEIGHBORHOODS ARE REALLY QUITE IMPACTED AND THAT NUMBER MIGHT GET UPWARDS OF, I DON'T KNOW, 40, 50%. 
          AND IT MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CITE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF NUMBER. 
          IT'S WHEN WE TALK AS WELL. 
          I HAVE NOT BEEN TRACKING THINGS BY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I KNOW THAT, UM, COM DEV HAS LIKE A LIST OF HOA OR LIST OF COMMUNITIES AND UM, I DON'T KNOW, I, I DOUBT SERIOUSLY THAT GOBOS HAS THAT KIND OF SORTING ABILITY, BUT THERE MAY BE A WAY TO CREATE A LIST AND, AND SORT BY THAT. 
          AND ONCE THE LIST IS MADE IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOODS, IT WOULD BE EASY TO COMPARE THAT AGAINST A SPREADSHEET. 
          ONE SMALL TRIUMPH I HAVE, AND IT'S BEEN A YEAR LONG EFFORT, IS THAT I FINALLY HAVE THE DATA TAGS FOR GOBOS STRAIGHTENED OUT AND ALL THE PROPERTIES IN CITY AND OUT OF CITY ARE IDENTIFIED CORRECTLY. 
          AND UM, SO IT SHOULD BE, NOW THAT I REALLY KNOW WHO'S ADVERTISING AND WHO ISN'T, WHO'S, WHO'S ACTIVE AND WHO ISN'T, UM, IT SHOULD BE PERHAPS A MANUAL PROCESS TO SORT BY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE REPORTING JUST GOT A LOT EASIER 'CAUSE NOW ALL THE DATA TAGS ARE CORRECT. 
          SO THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE A PROJECT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. 
          KAREN, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, SO THERESA MENTIONED HER WORKING WITH G OUR GIS SO THERE'S GOV OLS AND THEIR SYSTEM. 
          BUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO IMPORT THE ADDRESSES INTO A LAYER INTO OUR OWN, GIS MAKES IT A LOT EASIER TO QUERY, UH, YOU KNOW, BY, UM, WELL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE COULD DRAW A CIRCLE AROUND CERTAIN AREAS AND THEN, UM, ANALYZE 'EM THAT WAY. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          COOL. 
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JESSICA? YEAH, I JUST SAW ON THE LATEST REPORT THAT YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF A PERCENTAGE OF INACTIVE. 
          HAS THAT GONE UP OR DOWN? I MEAN, HAVE YOU, IS THIS A, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT WAS A FAIRLY NEW, A NEW THING. 
          SO YOU REALLY HAVEN'T LOOKED AT A TREND IN THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST STARTED. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          AND SO THE INCREASE, WHILE WE HAD A VERY SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE NUMBER, WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER, A PERCENTAGE THAT IS INACTIVE. 
          SO WE COULD SORT OF SEE WHETHER THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS GOING UP OR DOWN OVER TIME, THE REAL NUMBER OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I GUESS I'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT VICE MAYOR, DO YOU WANNA, DID YOU WANNA RESPOND? I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IT, IT, IT'S BEEN A INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING PROCESS BECAUSE MOST OF MY SURPRISE GOV OSS DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE BASIS FOR OUR REPORTING . 
          AND, AND SO IT'S TAKEN THIS YEAR TO REALLY HAVE THEM UNDERSTAND HOW DATA SHOULD BE ALIGNED. 
          AND THE SECOND PAGE OF THE REPORT I JUST SENT OUT HAD THE WITHIN CITY LIMITS AND WITHOUT CITY LIMITS, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN ABLE TO RUN THAT CONFIDENTLY. 
          THERE WERE A LOT OF PROPERTIES HIDDEN THAT WERE OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS BECAUSE GOV OSS DOESN'T SORT FOR THINGS THAT HAVE THE SAME ZIP CODE. 
          IT'S JUST BEEN AN INTERESTING PROCESS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE EVERYTHING ENABLED, LABELED NOW, AND I, I DON'T HAVE TO COMPARE THREE SPREADSHEETS BY HAND ANYMORE. 
          SO I THINK THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO ADD THEN AND, AND DRILL DOWN WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          AND NOW THE FLUCTUATION IN WHAT'S OPERATIVE AND WHAT'S NOT IS GONNA BE REAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND SO I, I'M REALLY PLEASED WITH THAT AND I'M, I'M REALLY LOBBYING AND PUSHING THEM TO GIVE US BACK OUR ROOMS COUNT SO WE CAN LOOK BACK AT NUMBER OF ADVERTISED ROOMS AND SORT THAT BY PROPERTY TYPE AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S NEXT ON MY LIST, BUT I WILL, I WILL CONTINUE WITH THAT. 
          VICE MAYOR, I'M CURIOUS, I KNOW COCONINO COUNTY PASSED AN ORDINANCE, I'M NOT SURE HOW UP TO DATE IT IS, HAVE IT INCORPORATED ALL OF THE 1168 CHANGES, BUT HAS YAVAPAI COUNTY, I MEAN MM-HMM  ARE PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE VOC REQUIRED TO GET A TPT AND TO A PERMIT. 
          THE TPT REQUIREMENT IS A STATE REQUIREMENT, SO IT'S ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE REALLY AWARE THAT THEY NEED IT. 
          UM, ANYBODY THAT I TALK TO FROM THE VOC, I'VE DIRECTED THEM TO YAVAPAI COUNTY. 
          BRIAN AND I MET WITH THE COUNTIES BOTH COCONINO AND YAVAPAI, I WANNA SAY IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. 
          AND COCONINO WAS VERY CLOSE AT THAT POINT TO STARTING THEIR PROGRAM AND YAVAPAI WAS STILL WORKING ON IT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE PASSED ANYTHING YET. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THEIR PLANS WERE AND, UM, I DON'T THINK YAVAPAI WAS QUITE READY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD YET. 
          SO, BUT YOU REMIND ME IT'S TIME TO REACH OUT TO BOTH OF THEM AND KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT. 
          SO THANK YOU BOOK MELISSA. 
          BRIAN, NOTHING. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, THERESA, FOR THE GREATER SEDONA OF 5 75 THAT'S ON YOUR REPORT FROM THE OTHER DAY. 
          MM-HMM MM-HMM. 
          , COULD THAT BE BROKEN OUT TO WHAT'S IN THE VOC ON THAT SIDE OF YAVAPAI COUNTY AS OPPOSED TO, UH, LOWER RED ROCK? UPPER RED ROCK AND WEST? UH, ANY WAY OF BREAKING THAT? I MEAN, VOC IS 8 6 3 5 1, BUT THE, UH, RED ROCKS ARE SAME ZIP CODE. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT, BUT YOU HAVE MYSTICAL WAYS I GUESS. 
          BUT THE, UM, IT'S KIND OF A CATCH 22. 
          'CAUSE THE WAY I FIXED THE PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY WITHIN AND WITHOUT CITY LIMITS WAS TO REMOVE THE ZIP CODES. 
          OH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CATCHALL CATEGORY THAT IS YAVAPAI OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS AND THEN COCONINO OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS. 
          AND I HAD BEEN VERY DI DILIGENTLY, UM, ADDING 8 6 3 5 1, WHICH TOTALLY FOULED OUT THE REPORTING. 
          SO I CAN ASK, UH, GOBOS THOUGH, IF THERE'S A WAY TO ADD THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND I DON'T MIND. 
          THERE'S WHY NOT? THEY'VE, THEY'VE COME AROUND AND THEY'VE BEEN MAKING REGULAR IMPROVEMENTS TO A LOT OF WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING. 
          AND, UM, THEY HAVE DECIDED THEY REALLY WANT OUR BUSINESS, SO WHY NOT ASK FOR WHAT WE NEED? AND I KNOW THAT, UH, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE, THE STORIES IN THE PAPER ABOUT THE VOC AND THERE'S A STATE, UH, UH, SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT IT CAN'T, UH, BLOCK SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE IN THE VOC THAT IS, IF IT'S IN THE, YOU KNOW, ONE SECTION VERSUS THE OTHER. 
          'CAUSE IT'S REALLY CONGLOMERATE AREAS. 
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BUT, UM, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THEIR NUMBERS ARE GONNA RISE NOW. 
          SO, UH, MAYBE PEOPLE WILL BE BUYING THEM THERE INSTEAD OF BUYING 'EM IN OUR CITY, BUT I, I WOULD GUESS THAT NUMBER WILL INCREASE. 
          I, I KNOW I TALKED TO A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING OUT OF THE VOC OUTSTATE AND THEY ENDED UP SELLING THEIR HOUSES BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T SHORT-TERM RENT THEM. 
          AND I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'LL BE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THAT IN THE VOC. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU ALSO FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE. 
          IT'S REMARKABLE FOR HOW MANY TEAM MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE? 10, 15, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE A TEAM OF ONE AND LOTS OF LOTS OF DETERMINATION. 
          I I, I KNOW. 
          BUT IT'S INCREDIBLE WHAT YOU DO AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, REPORTS THAT YOU GIVE OUT TO US, IT IS VERY INFORMATIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S FAITH AND PATIENCE WITH ME AS I'VE KIND OF SLUGGED IT OUT THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S BEEN A LEARNING CURVE AND, UM, AGAIN, WHICH IS WHY I WANNA DOCUMENT IT. 
          WE ONLY WANNA DO THIS ONCE, BUT, BUT I THANK YOU FOR, FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT. 
          IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN AN ADVENTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM SEVEN, BROADBAND. 
          OH, I CAN IMAGINE THIS GOING TO BE THE CITY MANAGER. 
          NO. 
          OH, CHUCK, I SITTING MANAGER YET. 
           NO. 
          YOU DID YOU APPLY IT MAYBE? NO, THAT ONE BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT DOWN HERE. 
          I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU WERE COOL. 
          WHAT'D YOU UP TO PRIORITY? I TRIED TO KEEP A LOW PROFILE. 
          I KNOW YOU DO. 
          IN SPITE OF THE BEARD. 
          I'M TRYING TO HIDE. 
          WELCOME, CHUCK. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, SO WITH BROADBAND, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH TO TALK ABOUT OTHER THAN THAT WE'RE STILL IN EXPLORATORY STAGE. 
          UM, WE DID ONE RFI GOT SOME ANSWERS BACK, UH, ELIMINATED TWO VENDORS. 
          WE HAD MORE QUESTIONS BASED OFF THAT. 
          PUT OUT ANOTHER RFI, WHICH IS STILL TECHNICALLY OUT THERE. 
          UM, TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS, OTHER THINGS COME UP. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE GOT MORE MEETINGS WITH THE, UH, VP OF BROADBAND FOR THE STATE, SANDY, WHICH I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH. 
          HIS LAST NAME BO WICK BOIC. 
          BOIC OR SANDIP, ANYWAYS, WITH HIM. 
          , THAT'S IN DECEMBER. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, SECOND RFI WILL CLOSE IN JANUARY 16TH. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE QUITE ACTIVE WITH IT. 
          UM, WHEN EVERYTHING'S ALL DONE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL COMPILE IT AND PROBABLY DO A, A, UH, COUNCIL WORK SESSION, UH, TO GO OVER DETAILS AND ASK FOR DIRECTION AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          WOW. 
          DON'T TAKE TOO LONG. 
          NOW, , ANY QUESTIONS ON, I HAD ONE VICE MAYOR AND BRIAN. 
          SO CHUCK, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT THE RFI IS SEEKING? UH, QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE LATEST ONE HAD LIKE DOLLAR FIGURES ATTACHED HOW TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST, TRY TO FIELD FOR HOW MUCH, UH, GRANT OR B MONEY WE MIGHT NEED, HOW MUCH THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO PAY, UH, ITEMS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, SO VICE MAYOR, WE INITIALLY, LIKE IN THE SPRING WHEN THE R THE INITIAL RFI WENT OUT, WE WERE SEEKING INTEREST FROM INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS TO SAY, OUR AREA IS UNDERSERVED, UM, UNSERVED AND UNDERSERVED, AND WE HAVE AN INTEREST AS THE MUNICIPALITY TO GET FIBER TO THE HOME, TO, TO ALL THE HOMES AND ALL THE BUSINESSES WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. 
          ARE YOU INTERESTED? UM, AND THAT WAS, AS THINGS WERE STILL EVOLVING WITH THE FEDERAL BEAD FUNDING. 
          SO KIND OF ALWAYS KNOWING THAT BEAD IS COMING DOWN AND WE WANNA BE POSITIONED WELL WITH A PROVIDER IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT CARRIES MORE WEIGHT WHEN TRYING TO GET THESE FEDERAL FUNDS, UM, TO KIND OF BE AHEAD OF THAT PROCESS AND ALREADY HAVE A TEAM PUT TOGETHER WHEN THE BEAD FUNDS COME UP. 
          THERE IS STILL QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR BEAD. 
          IF SO, FOR WHAT AREAS OF THE CITY? WHAT IS OUR CURRENT INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER DOING THAT MIGHT, 
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UM, CHANGE OUR ELIGIBILITY FOR BEAD. 
          SO, SO THAT WAS THE INITIALIZED. 
          UM, RFI, NOW WE ARE DOWN TO, IT WAS THREE, NOW IT'S FOUR. 
          UM, POTENTIAL ISPS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST AND ARE KIND OF GOING THROUGH THIS DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS WITH US AS THEY ARE NOW PULLING NUMBERS TOGETHER, DOING, UM, YOU KNOW, FEASIBILITY WORK, UH, ON WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE. 
          HOW MUCH CAN BE OF OUR AREA CAN BE SERVED REASONABLY FROM AC FOR ACTUAL FIBER TO THE HOME VERSUS IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE, UM, LESS CONCENTRATED, UH, WILL THAT NEED TO BE KIND OF A FINAL WIRELESS SOLUTION? WHAT DOES ALL OF THAT LOOK LIKE? AND LIKE CHUCK SAID, WE DO HAVE, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH THE STATE BROADBAND DIRECTOR, SO WE STAY ON THE RADAR. 
          THEY KNOW WE'RE AT THE FOREFRONT OF, OF TRYING TO, UM, DO SOMETHING IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE HAVE A CALL COMING UP TO HOPEFULLY GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHTS INTO WHAT BEAD MAY LOOK LIKE, UM, FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEL FOR WHEN BEAD MONEY'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE? SO, I MEAN, THEY WERE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY DISTRIBUTING, I THINK THE FIRST ROUND OF BEAD SOMETIME IN LATE NEXT YEAR. 
          SO LATE NEXT YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEIR PROCESSES MIGHT OPEN SPRING, SUMMERTIME, UM, AND IT'S, IT'LL, IT'S KIND OF A MULTI-STEP EFFORT. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF THE ACTUAL TIMING ON, UM, THEY, THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW THE FULL TIMELINE ALL THE WAY OUT. 
          UH, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          MAYBE NEXT FALL. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WAS THEIR INITIAL GOAL AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY PUT THIS, THE PROCESSES IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER BY THEN, UM, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON, ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          THANKS. 
          SO BRIAN, I THINK YOU HAD . 
          OH, I, I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          BRIAN WAS, YES, BUT MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY ANSWERED, SO THANK YOU. 
          WOW. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO DO YOU EXPECT THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED ANY BUDGET MONEY FOR NEXT YEAR IF IT COMES OUT IN FALL? SO WE ORIGINALLY WENT INTO THIS SAYING, LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN, BUT ONLY VERY, VERY, VERY TINY OPEN FOR CITY CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE DID A BUDGET SURVEY AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED MM-HMM,  WAS HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO OUR C OUR COMMUNITY THAT TO HAVE BROADBAND AND IN LIGHT OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS OR HOW, HOW IMPORTANT IS IT IF THE CITY HAS TO FINANCIALLY CONTRIBUTE? AND THE RESULTS OF THAT SHOWED THAT THE COMMUNITY ISN'T ALL THAT INTERESTED IN A PUBLIC SUBSIDY OF, OF THIS IN ORDER TO GET BROADBAND. 
          WE WERE HOPING BEAD WOULD BE THE FUNDING SOURCE THAT WOULD FILL A GAP FOR A, A SERVICE PROVIDER WHO CAN'T QUITE MAKE IT PENCIL IN THIS MARKET AT THIS POINT. 
          WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE ANY FINANCIAL ASKS OF THESE ISPS FROM THE CITY, BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT IS THAT THAT'S UNLIKELY IF THERE IS ANY CITY FUNDING, IT'S PROBABLY A SMALL AMOUNT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE COUNCIL REALLY HAS TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT RESIDENTS DIM, DIMINISHED INTEREST IN, IN THE NEED FOR BROADBAND IS ACTUALLY IN THE INTEREST OF THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT NOW'S THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT FOR ME, I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION RIGHT NOW. 
          AND AS CHUCK SAID, ONCE WE HAVE KIND OF ALL THE FINANCIALS, THE PROFORMA, WHICH ISPS ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS VERSUS NOT, AND WE HAVE SOME SENSE OF WHAT OUR ELIGIBILITY FOR, FOR BEAD WILL BE, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL COME TO YOU. 
          WE'LL DO A FULL WORK SESSION, WE'LL SHARE ALL OF THAT. 
          AND THEN IF THERE ARE SOME POLICY DECISIONS OR FINANCIAL DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, WE'D BE LOOKING TO MAKE THOSE AT THAT TIME WHEN WE KNOW MORE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          KATHY. 
          THANK COMM MAYOR. 
          I'LL FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. 
          THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING AS WELL. 
          I, I, I WOULD EVEN CALL IN TO QUESTION WHETHER OUR SURVEY RESPONSES WERE ACCURATE. 
          THAT'S NOT MY SENSE OF THE COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO, I MEAN EITHER. 
          AND SO THAT, JUST TO THROW THAT OUT THERE, MY QUESTION WAS, 
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UH, DO WE STILL HAVE OUR TEAM INTACT? DO WE HAVE OUR STILL A CONTRACT OR, UM, BOARD A CONSULTANT AND UH, AND WE HAD A, A RESIDENT VOLUNTEER WHO WAS COMMITTED AS WELL. 
          IS THAT STILL ALL? GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          KATHY. 
          I'M GONNA PASS. 
          OKAY, I'M GOOD. 
          MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED TOO, SO ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU CHUCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. 
          I WONDER WHO THAT COULD BE. 
           CHIEF AND TEAM READY. 
          I JUST, I WANNA REQUEST WIDER CHAIRS. 
           DID NOT MAKE THE GUN BELT. 
          IT'S REALLY HARD WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA ON YOUR WAIST. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          SO I DO NOT HAVE A POWERPOINT. 
          UM, I PLAN JUST TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT, UM, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND A LOT OF THE REASONS WHY THERE, IT'S, I'M NOT PUTTING A LOT UP THERE IS BECAUSE I THINK THIS HAS BEEN LIKE YOU ALL KNOW AN ONGOING EFFORT THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO KEEP YOU UP TO DATE WITH AS, UM, THE YEAR'S GONE ON. 
          AND, UM, SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ONE THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY MOST AWARE OF A LOT OF THINGS. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE RECENTLY HAD A LOT OF WORK DONE. 
          SO SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT I JUST WANT TO COVER, UH, WAS COLLABORATING, CREATING THE ZONES FOR OUR CITY WITH, UH, THE HELP OF COCONINO COUNTY AND YAVAPAI COUNTY USING THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, GROUP EM PARTNERS TO, TO ASSIST US. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR WITH CREATING THE KNOW YOUR ZONE AND PUTTING OUT, UM, INFORMATION TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WITH THE HELP OF LAUREN AND HER TEAM, WE'VE HELD ONE OF TWO OF THE MEETINGS AS FAR AS THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, WHICH, UM, WE PLAN TO STILL HAVE THE OTHER, WE HAD A COMMUNITY OUTREACH EVENT IN OCTOBER WHERE WE HAD BOTH OF OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENTS FROM BOTH YAVAPAI COUNTY AND COCONINO COUNTY ATTEND. 
          THAT WAY WE CAN UTILIZE AS MUCH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO CONTINUE TO SPREAD THE WORD. 
          SO I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, UH, WE'VE COVERED THOSE. 
          SO WHAT WE STILL PLAN TO DO, UM, CURRENTLY AND FUTURE IS, UH, CREATE THE ANNUAL CALENDAR FOR TRAINING AND DO SOME TABLETOP EXERCISES, BOTH WITH CITY OFFICIALS AND OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS, BUT ALSO, UM, WITHIN OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM. 
          UM, SO THAT WE ARE AS PREPARED AS WE CAN BE FOR ANY TYPE OF EMERGENCY THAT MIGHT COME OUR WAY. 
          WE, UH, ARE GONNA HAVE THE SECOND MEETING AS, AS STATED IN THE SPRING TO, UM, COMPLETE THE, OUR, UM, GOAL OF HAVING THE TWO KNOW YOUR ZONE PROGRAM INITIATIVES WITH OUR OUTREACH, UM, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WE ARE REALLY WORKING ON, AND THIS IS ONGOING, UM, I HAVE LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH WES, UM, FROM COO COUNTY ABOUT THE SIRENS. 
          AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON POTENTIAL LOCATIONS, THE RADIUS, HOW MUCH EQUIPMENT'S NEEDED TO GIVE ENOUGH, UM, BUFFER FOR ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES ON THAT COCONINO COUNTY SIDE TO, TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THE MESSAGE. 
          SO WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON DECIDING IF THAT MEANS THREE OR FOUR SIRENS IN THE UPTOWN AND BREWER AREA. 
          SO AS I GET MORE, I WILL INFORM YOU AND KEEP YOU UPDATED. 
          WE ARE REALLY FOCUSING ON ONE COMPANY RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, SEEMS TO HAVE MADE SOME ADVANCEMENTS IN THE SIREN SYSTEM WORLD. 
          AND ALSO THAT IS ME WORKING WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALSO, UM, STAY REASONABLY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AND DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MANY EXCEPTIONS, UM, BASED ON THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, SINCE THESE WILL MOST LIKELY BE ROOFTOP SIRENS THAT WE ARE GONNA BE FOCUSED ON THE COLOR AND, AND A LOT OF THE, THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MIGHT GO INTO SELECTING IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN EYESORE FOR OUR COMMUNITY EITHER. 
          UM, AND THEN WITH WORKING WITH THE EM PARTNERS, THEY'RE ASSISTING US IN CREATING A BETTER, UM, CHECKLIST SYSTEM, UH, SO THAT WHEN WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE EMERGENCY OPERATING CENTER, WE HAVE CHECKLISTS AS FAR AS DEPENDING ON THE EMERGENCY, WHAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH. 
          SO THEY'RE CREATING DIFFERENT PROCEDURES, CHECKLISTS AND, AND OTHER THINGS FOR US RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK. 
          SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET THOSE, UM, SOME ADDITIONS THAT WERE PUT ON HERE AS THE, AND WORKING WITH SUSTAINABILITY IS INSTALLING ZONE STICKERS 
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ON THE STREET SIGNS, UM, AND THEN WORKING WITH, UH, THE CLIMATE RESILIENCE CORP WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY TEAM. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT WHEN SPEAKING WITH KAREN, UM, BRYCE HAD SOME GOOD IDEAS AND SO WE'RE JUST GONNA INCORPORATE IT WITHIN THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS VERSUS IT STAYING ON THE SUSTAINABILITY SIDE. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          YEAH, I HAD A, I TOLD YOU I THINK NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED A LOT IN THIS LAST YEAR, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND, UM, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          WE SHOULD ALL HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND STAY UP TO DATE ON IT. 
          I MEAN, OUR COMMUNITY WANNA ENSURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE. 
          SO, UM, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF, SO, OKAY. 
          UH, BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          HI, CHIEF. 
          UM, EARLIER I WAS COMMENTING, UH, DURING LAUREN'S PRESENTATION THAT I THINK COMMUNICATION IS STILL NECESSARY IN THE COMMUNITY REGARDING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, PARTICULARLY WILDFIRE EVACUATION AND PARTICULARLY FOR UPTOWN. 
          IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT WORK REMAINS, IF ANY, TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THE COMMUNITY THAT THE PREPAREDNESS HAS IN FACT BEEN DONE TO THE REASONABLE MAXIMUM THAT IT CAN? OR IS THERE MORE WE NEED TO DO? BECAUSE I, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE I NEED SOME HELP IN BEING ABLE TO CRISPLY AND SUCCINCTLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION MYSELF WHEN POSED TO ME. 
          AND AS YOU WELL KNOW, THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE VERY VOCAL IN THEIR CONCERNS IN THIS AREA AND, UH, I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO BE BETTER PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT. 
          SO YEAH, SO I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A WORK IN PROGRESS BECAUSE, UM, WHAT WE DID THIS LAST YEAR, WE COULDN'T REST ON. 
          WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE PREPARED AS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE STREETS. 
          EVERYTHING JUST CHANGES AROUND US THAT ALSO CHANGES THAT PREPAREDNESS. 
          SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT. 
          I THINK WHAT I WAS LISTENING TO EARLIER WHEN LAUREN WAS DISCUSSING, UM, YOU KNOW, STAYING ENGAGED WITH OUR COMMUNITY IS THE NEED FOR THEM TO BE ENGAGED WITH US AS WELL AS FAR AS THE NIXLE MESSAGES OR WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TUNE IN ON, ON THE VIRTUAL ASPECT OR COME TO, TO THE MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE BECAUSE, UM, LIKE LAUREN WAS SAYING, BEING OPEN TO WHAT MIGHT WORK, WE ARE AS WELL, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT MANY DIFFERENT IDEAS TO HOLD A MEETING HERE TO SEND, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION OUT ON FLYERS. 
          AND, AND I THINK THIS HAS TO BE CONVERSATIONS THAT NEIGHBORS AND, AND OTHERS HAVE. 
          AND EVEN IF THEY REACH OUT TO YOU JUST TO USE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, PLEASE LOOK AT THE GUIDE THAT WE PUT ONLINE THAT TELLS YOU HOW TO RIGHT NOW START PREPARING BY HAVING A KIT IN THE PLAN AT HOME, RIGHT? AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS WHERE THE TOPIC IS SOLELY FOR THIS AND YOU HAVE ALL OF OUR EARS TO LISTEN TO YOU AND TO ADDRESS ANYTHING TO ATTEND, BECAUSE I THINK WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO SHARING INFORMATION AND I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S NECESSARILY ALL OUR FAULT THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT BEING HEARD OR THERE'S NOT THAT, THAT LISTENING BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE A MUTUAL ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND SO I WOULD SAY WE CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE ARE BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF EMERGENCY, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, AN ACTIVE ATTACKER, IF IT'S FIRE FLOOD, THAT THAT'S WHAT ALL COMMUNITIES HAVE NOW IN THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK AT AND ADJUST WITH ANY CHANGES THAT THAT GO ON IN OUR COMMUNITY TO PUT THAT INTO OUR PREPAREDNESS AND OUR EMERGENCY PLANS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THOUGH THAT FEEL LIKE THE, THE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER, LIKE IT, IT NEEDS TO KEEP ON GOING AND, AND TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF DETAIL AND COMPLEXITY THAT I'M NOT SURE IS AT ALL REALISTIC, BUT I GET THE SENSE THAT THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT WANNA SEE A PLAN THAT BASICALLY CAN SPEAK TO ABOUT ANY CONTINGENCY TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE KNOW WHERE EACH PERSON IS, WHO IS PHYSICALLY DISABLED IN SOME MANNER, AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A POINT OF GETTING TO THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY GET OUT. 
          AND LIKE, WHAT'S THE PRACTICAL REALITY OF THAT? RIGHT? LIKE, I MEAN, TO ME, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          LIKE, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE A PLAN DOWN TO THE PERSON TO SAY, I KNOW WHO NEEDS SPECIAL HELP AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, YOU SPD OR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS IN GENERAL ARE GONNA SOMEHOW BE ABLE TO, TO DEAL WITH EVERY ONE OF THOSE CONTINGENCIES. 
          BUT CAN, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE? YEAH, AND I THINK IN, IN PRIOR MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WEST SAID IT THE BEST AND THE SAME AS YAVAPAI COUNTY WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SPEAK SINCE A LOT OF WHAT THEY DEAL WITH IS SUPPORTING MUNICIPALITIES BECAUSE OF THEIR EXPERTISE IN THE FIELD. 
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AND AS FAR AS I REMEMBER, AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUMP IN IF YOU REMEMBER SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT THAT WHAT WE'VE CREATED IS REALLY ABOVE WHAT OTHERS HAVE. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF LEADING RIGHT NOW AND SHOWING HOW MUCH WE'RE PUTTING INTO ENSURING SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          CAN YOU GET DOWN TO ALL THOSE MINUTE MINUTIA? I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMMUNITY THAT'S A PERMANENT POPULATION, VISITOR POPULATION AND WORKFORCE. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO FOCUS SOLELY IN ONE AREA WHILE WE WOULD BE GIVING UP ALL THESE OTHER AREAS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE SEEN A PLAN GET TO THOSE DETAILS. 
          I CERTAINLY THINK THAT WE, WE STRIVE TO KEEP IMPROVING WHAT WE DO HAVE AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          BUT I, I THINK LIKE WHAT'S BEEN OFFERED IS THE WORK WE'VE DONE, UM, IS, IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE AS FAR AS WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE AND, AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO US TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A COMPLIMENT TO, TO WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALLOWED US TO DO WITH FUNDS AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE GRANT WORK AND, AND OUR PARTNERSHIPS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD EVER GET THERE. 
          I MEAN, THAT WOULD TAKE A REALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF REGISTRATION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONGOING ALL THE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO SELF TELL US WHAT THEIR, UM, RESTRICTIONS WERE. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS HAVING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE KNOW THEIR AREAS IN THIS COMMUNITY ALSO ASSIST BY KNOWING THE STREETS AND LIMITATIONS OF SOME, UM, OLDER COMMUNITIES OR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BURIED FURTHER BACK OFF THE ROAD THAT MIGHT REQUIRE MORE TIME, WHICH IS WHERE WE WENT TO THAT MAPPING OF, OF, UH, KNOWING WHEN WE HAVE TO EVACUATE THAT THIS AREA MIGHT NEED FIVE HOURS, WHERE THIS ONE MIGHT REQUIRE ONE HOUR. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE DID IN THOSE MEETINGS OF DISCUSSING THE NEEDS OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL AREAS. 
          AND SOME OF THAT WAS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IF IT WAS A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY OR UM, PEOPLE THAT HAD, UM, HORSES OR OTHER THINGS THAT TO EVACUATE THEY WOULD MEET, NEED A MUCH BIGGER NOTICE. 
          SO SOME OF THAT WORK'S BEEN DONE. 
          AND I THINK WHERE SOME OF THE, THE PROBLEMS MIGHT COME FOR PEOPLE IS THAT WE CAN'T SHARE EVERYTHING, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP CLOSE TO SO THAT UM, PEOPLE WITH BAD INTENTIONS DON'T KNOW OUR PLAYBOOK TO USE THOSE AGAINST US. 
          AND I KNOW I'VE SHARED THAT BEFORE, BUT IT IS A REAL REALITY. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          AND SO FINAL QUESTION THEN. 
          FAIR TO ASSUME WE WILL NOT SEE ANY TYPE OF BUDGET REQUEST FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR FOR ADDITIONAL CONSULTING OR OUTSIDE WORK TO TRY TO SOMEHOW AUGMENT THE PLAN ANY FURTHER GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED? I DO NOT HAVE THAT AS A PLAN UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TELL ME. 
          NO, NO. 
          I I YOU'VE BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL, CHIEF. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          I LIKE WHAT I SHARED AT THE ONSET, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          I I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'VE DONE WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE AND IT'S GOOD. 
          YES. 
          AND THE SIRENS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S A GRANT FROM COCONINO COUNTY THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE SECURED THAT THEY'RE ALLOWING US THE THREE TO FOUR SIRENS WITH THERE. 
          SO THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          THERE MIGHT BE FOR THE ONGOING SUBSCRIPTION TO, TO THE SYSTEM, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS NEXT YEAR FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING. 
          SOME OF THE MONEY THAT WE HAD LEFT OVER FROM THE EM PARTNERS IS WHERE, UM, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO CREATE THOSE CHECKLISTS AND THE PROCEDURES GUIDE, SO. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANKS TO YOUR TEAM. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, KAREN, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO ADD? WHAT WAS IT TOUCHED ON? UM, IT MAYBE JUST A TINY BIT, UM, BECAUSE OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A COUNCIL PRIORITY. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN REVISITING IT, UH, KIND OF OVER AND OVER AND WE'VE HEARD FROM THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROFESSIONALS AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS THAT MODELING AN EMERGENCY SITUATION IS NOT POSSIBLE. 
          YOU CAN, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. 
          MODELING EVERY POSSIBLE EMERGENCY SITUATION IS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL UNIQUE. 
          AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE EMERGENCY MANAGERS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DISTRICT, WHETHER IT WAS A FIRE SITUATION, WHETHER IT WAS THE FLOODING THAT WE SAW THIS PAST SPRING, THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS WHO KNOW HOW TO REACT, TO RESPOND, TO BE PROACTIVE. 
          I WATCHED PD VOLUNTEERS GOING DOOR TO DOOR IN THE AREA THAT WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE POTENTIAL FLOODING. 
          WE WERE, THEY WERE OUT AHEAD OF IT. 
          THEY'VE GOT THE EOC GOING, THEY'RE COORDINATING WITH PUBLIC WORKS. 
          THEY TRULY ARE DOING EVERYTHING 
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RIGHT. 
          THE FACT THAT NOW IT'S BECOME AN EVEN SORT OF HEIGHTENED THROUGH THIS PLANNING EFFORT, UM, CERTAINLY YOU CAN CONTINUE TO, TO IMPROVE. 
          AND WHEN WE DID THAT, UM, FIRST PUBLIC MEETING AFTER THE ROLLOUT OF THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN OR THE ALL HAZARDS PLAN AND THAT WAS PRETTY WELL ATTENDED, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE LAUDED THEM FOR THE WORK THAT THEY HAD DONE AND HOW CONFIDENT AND SAFE THEY FEEL BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          SO WHILE I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A PROBABLY SMALL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS A PRETTY SMALL FACTION OF INDIVIDUALS WHO STILL DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH OR THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THINGS, UH, FARTHER, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE INSTILLED A GREAT DEAL OF CONFIDENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND THEIR SAFETY. 
          THANK YOU JESSICA. 
          SO SIRENS, UM, IN COCONINO COUNTY, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY? YOU'VE GOT TALKING ABOUT UPTOWN AND WE HAVE THE CHAPEL AND WE HAVE BACK BEYOND AND WE HAVE ALL OF WEST SEDONA. 
          UM, WHAT ARE THE PLANS IN TERMS IF THE SIRENS, WHAT ARE THE PLANS IF SIRENS ARE NEEDED? ARE THEY ONLY NEEDED UPTOWN OR ARE THEY NEEDED MORE BROADLY IN OUR COMMUNITY? ARE THEY ACTUALLY NOT NEEDED IN UPTOWN? I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A REAL QUESTION FOR ME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE WANTED TO START WITH A PILOT PROGRAM VERSUS, UM, BECAUSE IT ALSO CAN COST A LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE A SYSTEM LIKE THIS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD ONE, SO WE KNEW THAT WE NEEDED TO START SOMEWHERE. 
          SO WE STARTED A PILOT PROGRAM BASED ON WHERE WE STARTED, A LOT OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? THINGS THAT HAVE DEVELOPED, RIGHT? SO IN THAT FASHION WE'VE JUST KEPT WITH THAT. 
          AND SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY JUST ONE SIREN IN THE UPTOWN AREA, WHICH WE DIDN'T WANNA STAY THAT ROUTE. 
          SO IN TALKING WITH KAREN, WE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT GO A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THE CANYON, GO A LITTLE FURTHER OUT INTO THE UPTOWN AREA, BUT ALSO OUR, OUR BREWER BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR FLOODS, UM, THAT AREA OF BREWER AND AND BELOW REALLY AT, ARE AT A HIGH RISK AS WELL. 
          SO WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING THE PILOT PROGRAM FOR MAYBE ONE, WE'VE NOW EXTENDED IT TO THREE OR FOUR. 
          AND I THINK DEPENDING ON HOW THIS YEAR GOES WITH THAT, THEN POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR, YES, THAT MIGHT BE WHERE WE COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, THIS HAS WORKED REALLY WELL. 
          THIS SEEMS TO BE FUNCTIONING AND THERE'S A NEED TO ADD, YOU KNOW, THREE MORE OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND HERE'S THOSE LOCATIONS AS WELL. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE, THE PLAN IS LET'S START WITH SOMETHING AND THEN FIGURE OUT DO WE WANNA KEEP ADDING TO, AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE OUR PLAN AS FAR AS PHASING IN, ARE WE LOOKING FOR GRANTS? ARE WE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME MONEY TOWARDS THAT AS WELL? SO THIS IS OUR, I GUESS I HAVE, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT IS REALLY AT THE BOTTOM OF IT IS I UNDERSTAND WHY WE DID UPTOWN, YOU JUST MENTIONED BREWER. 
          THEY ARE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC FACTORS OF THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE RELIED UPON TO, OR, OR THAT YOU'RE RELYING UPON TO SAY THE SIREN SYSTEM MAYBE IS APPROPRIATE THERE. 
          UM, DO YOU, IS YOUR, I DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER ALL NEIGHBORHOODS, REGARDLESS OF THOSE SPECIFIC FACTORS BENEFIT FROM SIRENS OR THAT SIRENS REALLY ARE ONLY APPROPRIATE, ARE ONLY PLANNED OR ONLY SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SPECIFIC NEEDS, UM, THAT DIFFERENTIATE THEM FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I GUESS MY QUESTION ALL I GUESS IT BOILS DOWN TO IS, IS LIKE ALL OF WEST SEDONA SORT OF NOT EL NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR SIRENS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THE SAME ISSUES OR SIRENS BASICALLY USEFUL AS EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION TOOLS PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE. 
          I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY, WELL I WOULD SAY THAT THE REASON THE FOCUS IS IN THE AREAS THAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT WAS BECAUSE THE GRANT CAME THROUGH COCONINO COUNTY AND THAT'S WHAT'S SUPPORTING THIS VERSUS US HAVING MONEY MM-HMM. 
           TO UTILIZE ON THE YAVAPAI COUNTY SIDE. 
          SO I WOULD NOT SAY THAT THAT AREA OF TOWN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHER AREAS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TRY A SYSTEM THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD AND WE WANTED TO UTILIZE THAT TO SEE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED FOR OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THINK THE OTHER 
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THING IS A SIREN SYSTEM TO ME IS ONE PART OF THE PLAN. 
          IT'S NOT THE SOLE THING BECAUSE I THINK THE NICKEL, THE DOOR TO DOOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TO WORK TOGETHER FOR US TO REMAIN SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND THIS IS JUST ONE ELEMENT OF ENHANCING OUR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS THAT IT, IT COULD INCLUDE OTHER PARTS, IT COULD, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS IT, IT COULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, DOWN SOLDIERS PASS DRY CREEK, IT, THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM THIS FOR SURE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. 
          BUT I THINK WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE AND SEE HOW UTILIZED AND, AND SUCCESSFUL THIS COULD BE FOR US. 
          THANK YOU PETE, THE VICE MAYOR, THANK COMM MAYOR, UH, CHIEF, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          LOOKING IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAD A LITTLE, IN YOUR COMPLETED SECTION YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ARIZONA WATER SUPPLY ISSUES THAT WE HAD, ARIZONA WATER SY AND THEY WERE TALKED ABOUT THAT LOOKING AT THE RELIABILITY AND EFFICACY OF THE SYSTEM. 
          AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S REALLY AN ARIZONA WATER ACTION MOVING FORWARD, BUT WHOSE LIST IS IT ON FOR US TO CONTINUE TO NEEDLE ARIZONA WATER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? IS THAT AN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS THING, KAREN? IS THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY? JUST SO THIS HAS BEEN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE, THE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS PARTICULARLY OLD AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS OLD AND AND NEEDS IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN WORKING DIRECTLY WITH ME AND, AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND I THINK SOME OF YOU AS WELL TO TRY TO FACILITATE SOME DIALOGUE BETWEEN THEM AND ARIZONA WATER, ARIZONA WATER, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE NOT BEHOLDEN TO US IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, BUT WE TRY TO BE GOOD PARTNERS. 
          WE WORK TOGETHER ON LOTS OF THINGS, UM, FOR LOTS OF REASONS. 
          SO THEY HAVE COME TO THE TABLE, THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING. 
          ARIZONA WATER HAS COME BACK WITH A PLAN. 
          IT IS NOT AS ACCELERATED AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT OUR ROLE IS TO BE ADVOCATES AND FACILITATORS AND, AND NOT MUCH MORE THAN THAT. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND ARIZONA WATER HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER WITH US AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR THE ANSWER OF WHO DO I CONTINUE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS ABOUT A STATUSING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH ARIZONA WATER AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW JOHN TOO AND SO I POKE HIM WHEN I CAN, WHEN I GET THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THEN ALSO IN THAT SAME PARAGRAPH YOU HAVE IN PARENTHESES COULD TRY TO DO THE SAME WITH OAK CREEK WATER. 
          ARE WE, IS IT MORE THAN COULD, ARE WE TRYING TO DO SO? UM, NO, WE'RE, THERE ISN'T REALLY ANYTHING ACTIVE RIGHT NOW HAPPENING WITH OAK CREEK WATER AND THAT'S REALLY JUST BEEN ONE. 
          ARIZONA WATER WAS PROACTIVE WITH US. 
          THEY DO SERVE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CITY. 
          OAK CREEK WATER IS STILL A PRETTY SMALL, UH, PLAYER WITH, WITH JUST A SMALL PORTION OF THE CITY. 
          UM, SO THE EDUCATION EFFORTS, SO THROUGH THE RIPPLE EFFECT AND THE WORK WE'RE DOING WITH ARIZONA WATER, THE ANALYSES THAT THEY ARE DOING ON THE AQUIFER AND THE AVAILABILITY OF WATER AND ALL OF THESE, UM, ISSUES AROUND ADJUDICATION OF WATER ARE, THEY'RE REGIONAL. 
          SO WHETHER WE ARE HAVING THAT EXPLICIT CONVERSATION WITH OAK CREEK WATER OR ARIZONA WATER, THE ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME. 
          AND THE EDUCATION AND OUTREACH ON CONSERVATION, THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU HEARD BRYCE TALK ABOUT THAT HE'LL BE PURSUING IN THE COMING YEAR WILL APPLY TO EVERYBODY. 
          SO I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT THERE'S A CRITICAL NEED AT THIS POINT, UM, OTHER THAN US JUST TRYING TO KIND OF MAINTAIN A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH OAK CREEK WATER. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO ME THAT WE'VE HAD ENGAGEMENT WITH ARIZONA WATER AT A REALLY GOOD LEVEL, SUPER HAPPY WITH THAT. 
          AND I HAVEN'T SEEN HEID HER HAIR OF OAK CREEK WATER AND YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M GONNA PUT THAT ON MY AGENDA BEING ON THE WATER BOARDS TO SORT OF REACH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT THERE EITHER. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE ONE WAY THAT I CAN, UH, HELP TO START TO BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP. 
          SO I THINK I WILL TAKE THAT ACTION IN MY OWN STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THIS YEAR. 
          UM, THAT LAST QUESTION YOU NEED FOR A BUDGET ? NOPE. 
          , I GET MY $550 A MONTH, WHETHER I, LAST QUESTION CHIEF IS, UH, IN, IN PART OF THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS CONVERSATIONS, I'M SURE THAT A LOT OF IT'S BEEN FOCUSED ON HOW DO WE RESPOND TO EMERGENCY. 
          I'M SURE OTHER PARTS OF IT HAVE BEEN HOW DO WE MITIGATE THESE THINGS. 
          PART OF THE MITIGATION 
          [05:05:01]
QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT BEFORE, RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND SOME OF THE DISASTERS AROUND IS THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES ON EVACUATION ROUTES. 
          HAS THERE BEEN A DISCUSSION IN, IN, IN THE COMMUNITY IN, IN YOUR GROUP ABOUT HAVE WE IDENTIFIED POWER LINES THAT MIGHT BE IN THE WAY IN AN EMERGENCY AND THEN WHAT MIGHT, I MEAN, A PS WOULD HAVE A GREAT ROLE TO PLAY IN HERE TOO. 
          I GET THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST A CONVERSATION THAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW HAS BEEN ALIVE AND, AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING SOME OF THE, THE, THE AREAS THAT WOULD OFFER US CHALLENGES AS FAR AS EVACUATING AND THINGS. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE, UM, WORKED WITH OUR, OUR PARTNERS, RIGHT, ADOT AND OTHERS. 
          AND, AND I DO THINK THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITY THERE TO SPEAK WITH A PS BUT WHEN, AS FAR AS PREEMPTIVELY IT, IT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO HAVE THEM, UM, ENGAGED IN THE CONVERSATION ON, ON THAT FRONT. 
          ONCE THERE IS AN ISSUE GOING ON, THEY ARE FAST TO GET HERE AND TO ASSIST US AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH GETTING THE POWER LINES THAT MIGHT GO DOWN OR AND, AND DOING THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT AS WE CONTINUE GOING FORWARD, WE NEED TO HAVE THEM COME IN TO, TO MORE OF THE CONVERSATIONS AS FAR AS THE, THE AREAS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED FOR THOSE LOWER CROSSING. 
          SO WE'RE AWARE OF THOSE AND, AND PARTS OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD, KNOWING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE WOULD HAVE WAS DISCUSSING THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT AS FAR AS ADOT REALLY COMING IN AND MAKING ANY CHANGES RIGHT NOW, NO. 
          UM, THOSE, THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING. 
          WE DID A LOT OF GREAT WORK WITH ROUTE EVACUATION, ROUTE PLANNING AND NOW JUST THINKING, GOING BACK AND THINKING ABOUT PROACTIVELY CAN WE HELP MITIGATE THE REDIS RISK OF WILDFIRE EVACUATION PROBLEMS THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE CERTAINLY HAD. 
          AND SO THINK IT'D BEHOOVE US TO TRY TO DRIVE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          YEAH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WERE THE, THE TWO THINGS AS FAR AS MITIGATING AND THEN THE PLANNING WHEN WE HAVE A DISASTER. 
          THE THIRD IS THE RE-ENTRY. 
          AND THAT IS OFTEN, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, ANOTHER BIG LAYER THAT IS, IS WORTHY OF DISCUSSION, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU CAN GET EVERYBODY OUT, BUT GETTING THEM BACK IN CAN SOMETIMES BE EVEN MORE CHALLENGING. 
          SO, UM, I WILL BE UPDATING THIS, BUT WE HAVE FROM, FROM THE PD TEAM FOR PEOPLE ATTENDING A TRAINING IN COCONINO COUNTY IN FEBRUARY, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO OTHER CITY, UM, STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE GONNA ATTEND TOO THAT WAY. 
          UM, WE JUST CONTINUE ONGOING EDUCATION AND TRAINING FOR US AS WELL BECAUSE THAT THAT IS A BIG, UM, COMPONENT OF ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY. 
          SO, AND KAREN, I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE GOT A LIST WITH A PS RELATIONSHIP ISSUES AS WELL, AND IS THAT ON YOUR LIST OF THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT? IT REALLY WASN'T  , IS IT NOW  CAN, CAN IT BE APPARENTLY . 
          THANK YOU MAYOR KATHY, AND THEN THE VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, I WAS GONNA PASS, BUT I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED IN TERMS OF UNDER ANY INFRASTRUCTURE OBSTACLES THAT MIGHT BE IN THE WAY, OTHER THAN WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH A PS OR WE KNOW FLOOD ZONES OR ANYTHING? I'M JUST WONDERING HOW, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH THAT YOU MAY HAVE WITH COM DEV OR THAT YOU MAY HAVE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH WITH ANDY ON ANY OF THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON OR, OR WITH, UM, KURT W IS THERE ANYTHING LACKING? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP TO BETTER FLOW COMMUNICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT NEED COMING UP ON AN INTERIM OR TEMPORARY BASIS OR AN OBSTACLE OR SOMETHING GOING ON? DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT'S ALL IN PLACE? I FEEL LIKE WE COMMUNICATE REALLY WELL, UM, BETWEEN KURT SHARING ANY ROAD CONSTRUCTION ISSUES. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF I NEED TO TALK WITH ANDY ABOUT SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC OR HE KNOWS SOMETHING'S COMING, I THINK OUR COMMUNICATION, UM, IS, IS REALLY GOOD. 
          IT'S, IT'S EXCELLENT AND, AND I THINK IF ANYTHING, FROM ALL OF THE WORK WE'VE DONE WITH THIS EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, WE DISCOVERED THE NEED FOR HAVING THAT CONSTANT COMMUNICATION IS IS THERE. 
          SO I THINK IT'S GOTTEN HEIGHTENED FOR ALL OF US TO STAY IN TOUCH OF, OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT RELY ON THIS VICE MAYOR, VICE CHIEF. 
          SO IN THE ALL HAZARDS PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE PD. 
          SO IS THAT TEAM STOOD UP? DOES IT HAVE A LEADER? IT DOES. 
          SO I WILL BE YOUR PRIMARY. 
          UM, MY DEPUTY CHIEF IS ON THERE AS FAR AS THE COORDINATOR AND SINCE, UM, LIEUTENANT WALK IS RETIRING AS OF TOMORROW. 
          OH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS HAPPENING THAT WE WILL UPDATE THAT GUIDE AS WELL. 
          THAT WAY IT STAYS CURRENT WITH ANY ROLES THAT MIGHT CHANGE. 
          UM, BUT PRIMARILY, UH, I'LL BE YOUR LEAD 
          [05:10:01]
WHEN IT COMES TO EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND OBVIOUSLY I HAVE TONS OF PARTNERS THAT WILL HELP ME, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND BOTH COUNTIES. 
          SO I, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE TEAM THAT, THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR PREPAREDNESS. 
          SO MY QUES MY SECOND QUESTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. 
          OH, OFF THE CUFF. 
          LET ME FIND THAT PAPER . 
          BUT SINCE YOU WEREN'T HERE EARLIER AND WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC, HOW IS IT GOING WITH TRYING TO DO TRAFFIC MITIGATION AT THE Y AND UPTOWN AND JUST IN GENERAL HAVING FOLKS THERE PHYSICALLY THERE, DO YOU THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE, A NEGATIVE? GIVE US YOUR, SOME FEEDBACK. 
          WELL, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD A TRAFFIC PROBLEM, SO THAT'S REALLY, REALLY BAD OF ME. 
          UM, NO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY AND STEP IN AND, AND BE PROACTIVE WHEN WE CAN. 
          UM, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIMITED BY, BY THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS, IT JUST, IT IT'S VERY RESOURCE INTENSIVE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST BEING AT BREWER ROAD OR AT THE Y ITSELF, IT'S ALSO ENSURING THE FLOW DOWN RANGER COMING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, 1 79. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY VERY STAFF INTENSIVE BECAUSE IT, IT IS NOT JUST ONE ROUNDABOUT OR IT'S NOT JUST MAKING SURE THE CROSSWALKS GOING BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, TAK PKI NORTH AND SOUTH STAY GOOD. 
          IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, BEING A CONDUCTOR IN THE, THE ORCHESTRA OF MAKING SURE ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE WORKING WELL. 
          SO I WOULD TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT IMPACT TRAFFIC, UM, A LITTLE BIT BY BEING THERE, BUT I THINK WHAT IT DOES PROVIDE OUR COMMUNITY IS SHOWING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO HELP WITH THE PROBLEM. 
          WE'RE AWARE OF IT. 
          UM, BUT IT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO MOVE THAT MANY CARS FROM FOUR LANES DOWN TO TWO AND, UM, TO DEAL WITH THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON IN UPTOWN. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST A REALLY BIG HUB FOR US OF ALL TRAFFIC COMING TOGETHER, RIGHT? ALL, ALL THE DIFFERENT ARTERIES MEET AT, AT ONE POINT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MIGHT TRY AND USE THE RANGER AND THAT'S NOT REALLY GONNA GET YOU AS FAR. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S AN ONGOING EFFORT. 
          WE HAVE CSAS THAT GO OUT THERE FOR US. 
          WE HAVE OUR OFFICERS, OUR MOTORS THAT GO DOWN THERE TO, TO ASSIST. 
          AND I THINK WE MAKE LITTLE MOVEMENTS, BUT I THINK WHERE IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL IS SHOWING OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE AWARE AND WE'RE TRYING. 
          UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, UNLESS YOU WANNA INCREASE MY STAFF A LOT AND WE CAN TEMP, YOU KNOW, PERMANENTLY HAVE PEOPLE THERE, THEN WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE MORE SUCCESSFUL. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          IT'S A LOT OF CARS GOING, GOING THROUGH THAT AREA AND AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE, YOU DRIVE IT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT FULLY THE QUESTION OR ANSWER THAT YOU WANTED, BUT IT'S AN ONGOING BATTLE AND, UM, WE ATTEMPT TO DO WHAT WE CAN, UH, WITH, WITH ASSISTING BY HELPING THE FLOW AND WHETHER WE, YOU KNOW, REALLY HELP BY ONLY ADDING FIVE MORE CARS THAT WENT THROUGH. 
          IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING FIVE , I'M JUST USING A VERY LOW NUMBER. 
          I DON'T WANNA GET YOUR HOPES UP THAT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND, I, I DON'T WANT THAT QUOTED THE ANSWER. 
          GETTING CARS UP THE ROAD. 
          I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AT ANOTHER TIME. 
          SEEING JUST WHAT WOULD IT TAKE WHEN YOU SAY ADDING DRAMATICALLY TO MY STAFF, JUST WE'LL HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN. 
          YEAH, AND I, I THINK IT'S REALLY A PLAN THAT WOULD BE WITH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS AND, UM, A MUCH BIGGER CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT IS JUST HARD TO, TO PUT MORE INTO AN AREA AND HAVE IT GO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, GOING FOUR LANES DOWN, DOWN TO TWOS A REALLY, THAT'S A, THAT'S A HARD CHALLENGE REGARDLESS. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          JESSICA'S HER HAND LEFT. 
          NO, I, WELL, SHE SPOKE, I I HAVEN'T HAD MY TIME YET, SO I, I I CHANGED MY MIND. 
          I DECIDED NOT TO, NOT TO SAY SO I WANT THAT ON THE RECORD THAT I DECIDED NOT TO SAY IT . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ACTUALLY FUNNY WORDS TO SAY THAT. 
          SO I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE ABOUT THE OLD ALL HAZARDS PLAN, THANKFUL. 
          IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PLAN TO BE FLUID AND YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN DOING JUST THAT AND IT'S PRETTY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY COMMENDABLE WITHIN ONE YEAR TO BE ABLE TO PULL THIS ALL TOGETHER, BUT IT'S NEVER GONNA END. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY THINK IT'S DONE OR THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SEEING ANYTHING THIS PAST MAYBE SIX MONTHS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT, IT'S BEEN WORKED ON. 
          SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE SIGNS UP, THE NUMBERS ON THE POLES, THAT'LL BE A VISUAL TO, SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT IS STILL CONTINUING. 
          WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME FOR THAT? YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY ESTABLISH, UM, A SET TIMEFRAME. 
          UM, BUT IDEALLY THIS WOULD BE IN OUR WHAT THE ZONE 
          [05:15:01]
NUMBERS? YES. 
          YOU MEAN ON THE STREET SESSION? YES. 
          YES. 
          WHAT DID I SAY? THE, WHAT WAS I WRONG? NO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          MAKING SURE THAT I KNEW IT. 
          YES. 
          THE ZONE NUMBERS. 
          SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, AND YOU'RE WORKING ON PUBLIC WORKS, HAS IT ON THEIR SCHEDULE FOR, UH, FY 25. 
          OKAY. 
          TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK THAT WILL HELP BY GETTING, WELL, YOU CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME. 
          YOU'RE NOT LIKE, THANKS ANDY. 
          SOME OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          SO, UH, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD AS A VISUAL, UH, MAYBE WE CAN DO A STORY SOMEWHERE IN, IN ONE OF THE LOCAL PAPERS ABOUT THE SIRENS AND IS IT, WILL IT BE SIRENS OR SPEAKERS? UH, 'CAUSE WEST HAD SAID THAT THERE'S A WAY OF DOING IT BY A LOUDSPEAKER AND HE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY, IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY HIM, UH, WHO HAS CONTROL THROUGH HIS PHONE THAT HE COULD SAY THERE'S A FLOOD, THERE'S A FIRE AND DIRECT PEOPLE. 
          IS THAT STILL PART OF THE PLAN? IT'S GONNA BE A SIMILAR SYSTEM. 
          IT MIGHT NOT BE WHAT THEY USE BECAUSE OF THE UPGRADES OTHER COMPANIES NOW ARE JUMPING ON BOARD WITH. 
          BUT WHEN WHEN IT GETS CLOSER AND WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION, THEN I DO PLAN TO, TO DO A PRESENTATION FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED AS FAR AS, LIKE I WAS SAYING, THE RADIUS AND LOCATION. 
          SO I DO PLAN TO KEEP YOU INFORMED AS TIME GOES ON, BUT IT'S A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE IT CAN DO NOISE AND OR VOICE OR THEY COULD DO EITHER ONE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD IF IT'S A SIREN. 
          PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          IS IT A FIRE, IS IT A FLOOD? YOU KNOW, SO, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHEN THAT MOVES FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER VISUAL THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE. 
          SO THAT'S VERY GOOD. 
          UH, THE POWER POLES, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT UNTIL, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN BROUGHT IT UP, BUT, UH, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT MAY HAVE HAD FIRES AND WHERE THE POLES AND THE WIRES AND IMPEDIMENT IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          I COULD SEE IT TO BE AN ISSUE. 
          MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, UH, GO BACK TO A PS AND TALK ABOUT ON THEIR 10 YEAR PLAN OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY HAVE. 
          MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED. 
          BUT, UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD, UH, JUST PUT YOUR FEELS OUT AND SEE HOW IT'S IMPACTED OR NEGATIVELY, POSITIVELY, UH, WHATEVER? YEAH, I PUT IT ON MY LIST WHEN COUNCIL COUNCILMAN, UH, FURMAN SAID IT. 
          SO IT'S ON MY LIST JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH MM-HMM. 
           AND MY IMMEDIATE PERSON I WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          I KNOW THAT THEY DEAL WITH THIS FAR MORE THAN, THAN A POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT AS FAR AS EMERGENCY, YOU'RE A POINT PERSON PREPAREDNESS. 
          YEAH, SO I, IT'S, IT'S ON MY LIST JUST TO FOLLOW UP FROM, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS. 
          SO I DO PLAN TO, TO JUST GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND SEE WHAT WORK WE NEED TO DO AND THEN REALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND ONLY 'CAUSE KURT SAID THAT I COULD DISCUSS THIS OR WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC AT THE Y . 
          'CAUSE IT'S SORT OF GOING A LITTLE BIT FAR, BUT, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I TRAFFIC IS WELL, YES, BUT, UH, SATURDAY NIGHT WITH THE LUMINARY, IT WAS, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL. 
          I GOT STUCK IN THE, IN THE TRAFFIC AND COMING DOWN THE YI WENT DOWN COOKS HILL AND I SAID, WELL, IT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S MOVING. 
          AND THEN WHEN I GOT TO THE YI SAW, I THINK IT WAS THREE OFFICERS THAT WERE THERE, AND IT'S A, COULD BE A LOSE LOSE SITUATION, BUT THEY WERE MAKING A DENT, A SUBSTANTIAL DENT. 
          SO IT WASN'T JUST FIVE CARS. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS IMPRESSIVE AND EVERYBODY WAS WORKING TOGETHER AND CARS WERE MOVING. 
          AND I DON'T THINK, UH, DE LOCK APAK HAD ANYBODY THERE, BUT I, I WOULDN'T, I COULDN'T TELL. 
          BUT, UM, IT, IT WAS GOOD. 
          SO I THINK THE VICE MAYOR'S RIGHT, UH, MAYBE IT WAS SOMETHING WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, DURING THE FUTURE, WHETHER IT'S MORE MANPOWER, UM, OR WHATEVER YOU WOULD NEED TO, SO WE KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S A BIG, UH, ISSUE THAT COULD AFFECT OUR, IT DOES AFFECT OUR RESIDENTS. 
          THEY WANNA SEE SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CHANGE WITH THE TRAFFIC BUILDUP. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO TO HELP THEM. 
          WELL, AND STAFF WAS REALLY GREAT FOR THAT NIGHT. 
          UM, THEY WERE, WE HAD PEOPLE THAT STAYED FROM THE DAY SHIFT WORKING THERE 12 HOURS TO PUT IN ADDITIONAL TIME TO BE THERE. 
          SO, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THREE OFFICERS AND A SUPERVISOR ON, IF WE'RE FULL STAFF. 
          I DON'T SAY THAT OFTEN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE IF YOU SAW THREE THERE, THEN IDEALLY WE MIGHT NOT BE OTHER PLACES. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          BUT WE HAD A REALLY GREAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TEAMWORK EFFORT WHERE, LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE FROM DAY SHIFT STAYED TO ASSIST, UM, BECAUSE WE KNEW THE IMPACTS THAT THAT WOULD BE THERE. 
          SO, UM, WHEN WE CAN, I MEAN, WE'RE IN TO, TO HELP IT AND, AND IF YOU DON'T SEE US THERE, THEN THE, THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE'RE SOMEWHERE ELSE DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE WHY, OF COURSE. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL IT WAS FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB, SO I'LL MAKE SURE THEY KNOW AS WELL. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK THAT COVERS IT ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          ANYTHING ELSE LAST MINUTE? NOPE. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF AND TEAM. 
          [05:20:01]
I APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY, SO WHO HAS, UH, ITEM NINE WOULD BE, UH, TRAILHEAD CONGESTION IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT HE WAS LOOKING AT ME LIKE, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS FROM EMERGENCY PREPARED AT TIME AFTER SOMEONE MUCH TRAFFIC CONTROL. 
          IT'S RIGHT THERE. 
          WELL, UP, UP THERE. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SAY WAIT TILL KATHY GETS BACK OR NO. 
          MOVE FORWARD. 
          MOVE FORWARD. 
          HOW SO? OKAY. 
          OH, IS THAT KURT? OH, WAIT TIL, OH YEAH, NO, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, THIS IS PART OF, UH, MY ROUNDHOUSE. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UH, ON TRAILHEAD, UM, CONGESTION OF COURSE BACK AND BEYOND. 
          UH, SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN, UM, ANDY MENTIONED THIS WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN TRY TO DO IS TO REDUCE CONGESTION MOSTLY AT THE CATHEDRAL. 
          SO BACK AND BEYOND. 
          THIS IS A CONCEPT DRAWING THAT WE HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN. 
          THE WHOLE ISSUE IS WHERE THE TCAS ARE CURRENTLY STATIONED AT THE ROUNDABOUT, TRYING TO MOVE THEM DOWNSTREAM BACK AND BEYOND TO, UH, REDUCE ANY CONFLICT AND, UM, CHOKE POINTS THERE THAT MOSTLY FOR SAFETY, WE'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND, UH, OF WHAT WE CAN TRY TO DO. 
          AND THEN ALSO THAT'S TRYING TO CAPTURE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS TO TELL THEM, UM, ABOUT OUR TRANSIT AND TRAILHEAD TRANSIT OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM NOT TO WALK OR DRIVE IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS OF BACK AND BEYOND. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HOA, PUTTING A, UH, A LITTLE, UM, THE TCA CHECK STATION IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN AN ABILITY FOR CARS TO TURN AROUND AND GO TO THE STATE ROUTE 1 79 PARK AND RIDE. 
          UM, AGAIN, IT'S ONGOING, BUT IT WOULD COST, UM, AND THIS WOULD JUST BE A PHASED APPROACH, A LONG TERM. 
          IT MIGHT INCLUDE A GATE IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THAT WOULD NOT BE TO RESTRICT ANYBODY'S ACCESS. 
          AGAIN, IT'S JUST TO MONITOR AND METER PEOPLE GETTING THERE. 
          I I CAN YOU JUST, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT ROAD I'M LOOKING AT. 
          WHERE, WHAT AM I LOOKING AT HERE? THIS IS BACK AND BEYOND. 
          I'M LOOKING DOWN AT THE TRAILHEAD. 
          NO, THIS IS JUST SIT BACK AND BEYOND AT THE M AN IDIOT. 
          YEAH, THERE'S THE ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE. 
          CAN YOU SEE A HIGHLIGHT? OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S 89 A OR 1 79. 
          1 79, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S 1 79. 
          SO YOU'RE MOVING THEM DOWN THERE. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN OUR, WHERE OUR TCAS ARE CURRENTLY AT THAT LITTLE PORK CHOP AT THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S  AND PEOPLE STOP IN THE ROADWAY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IT DOWN THERE AND PEOPLE WILL DRIVE DOWN AND THEN BE SET BACK OUT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE WILL ASK THEM AND TELL THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO, WE'RE JUST INFORMING THEM ABOUT THE TRANSIT TRAILHEAD, BUT THEY HAVE TO LEAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL IT'S JUST, IF IT'S ALREADY FULL, THE PARKING'S FULL. 
          THERE'S NO OTHER OPTION. 
          AND AGAIN, SO NOW I UNDERSTAND. 
          I AM, I'M ORIENTED NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU DONE? YEAH, I'M DONE. 
          LET ME, UH, KURT, DO YOU, IS THAT FOR THAT PULLOUT THE TURNAROUND, IS THAT A RIGHT OF WAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE UTILIZING, IS THAT PROPERTY WE HAVE TO OBTAIN? YES. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE HOA, THEY DETERMINED THEY DIDN'T OWN THE PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DO EVERYTHING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AGAIN, IT'S A REALLY TIGHT FIT. 
          WE'LL PROBABLY END UP, IF YOU COULD SEE ON RIGHT HERE, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO MOVE OUT ALL THE WAY TO OUR RIGHT OF WAY ALIGNMENT TO TRY TO GET THAT TURNING MOVEMENT IN THERE AND ADD LITTLE STATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THE, IN THE MEDIAN THERE AFTER HERE. 
          OH, YOU, OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I, THIS IS KIND OF A BROADER QUESTION OF, WE HAVE THIS WHOLE LIST OF PRIORITIES. 
          THIS WOULD SEEM TO ME, UH, THAT THAT ROSE TO A PRIORITY BECAUSE OF THE TRAILHEAD ISSUE. 
          WE BASICALLY TOOK CARE OF THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE THIS IS A, THIS SORT OF JUST IS ONGOING NOW. 
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I'M NOT SURE THIS SHOULD BE ON THE PRIORITY LIST. 
          AND I WONDER WHEN THINGS EVER GET OFF THE PRIORITY LIST, WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD'VE SAID THE SAME ABOUT EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS ONLY. 
          I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHY THEY HAD TO STAY ON. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT A PRIORITY IS AND ISN'T AND WHAT IS AND ISN'T ON OUR LIST, I'M NOT SURE THIS SHOULD BE ON THE LIST. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, THAT WE DEALT WITH IT AS A PRIORITY. 
          UH, WE GOT THE SHUTTLES AND WE GOT THE, WE CLOSED IT AND, AND, AND, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO SORT OF DO THAT THROUGHOUT, BUT IT'S NOT A PRIORITY ANYMORE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THAT, THAT GOT IT ON THE LIST IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN WE CAN TAKE THINGS OFF THAT THEY BECOME JUST THINGS WE DO. 
          I MEAN, LIKE POLICE PROTECTION IS A PRIORITY. 
          IT'S NOT ON THE LIST BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ONGOING THAN THAT WE EXPECT TO HAPPEN. 
          AND THAT'S HOW I BELIEVE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. 
          THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT BELONGS. 
          BUT I UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL REASON THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO WANNA TAKE IT OFF THE LIST. 
          UM, BUT THIS ONE, IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE BUSINESS THAT WE'RE IN. 
          SO I DON'T BELIEVE THIS. 
          DO YOU THINK IT REMAINS A PRIORITY? ARE PEOPLE, KAREN, DO YOU THINK IT FALLS? I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE ANDY TO OPINE ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM KAREN TOO. 
          SO, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK HELP MAKE THIS STAY A PRIORITY. 
          ONE IS THAT WHERE WE'RE STOPPING TRAFFIC NOW TO TURN THEM AROUND IS, IS RIGHT AT 1 79 MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IT'S REALLY IMPACTFUL TO, THROUGH TRAFFIC MOVEMENT, GETTING THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO THE BIG, ONE OF THE BIG ADVANTAGES OF DOING WHAT KURT'S TALKING ABOUT IS MOVING THAT, THAT CONFLICT POINT OFF OF THE HIGHWAY. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING UP UNTIL NOW AND CONTINUING TO DO IS BASICALLY IMPLEMENT A TEMPORARY TRAFFIC CONTROL OPERATION. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD MAKE THAT MORE PERMANENT UHHUH . 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S A NEED THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I DO UNDER, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A PRIORITY PROJECT TO BE DONE, IT'S JUST PART OF YOUR ONGOING WORK. 
          NOW I'M SAYING WHETHER IT'S NOT, WHETHER IT'S A PRIORITY PROJECT. 
          'CAUSE I AGREE IT'S A PRIORITY PROJECT, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE DOING IT. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ON THIS SPECIFIC SPECIAL LIST, I GUESS IS WAS THE QUESTION I WAS ASKING. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          KAREN, WHAT DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE ABOUT THIS OR IS THIS TOTALLY, YOU'LL THROW IT BACK ON US AND WE GET TO DO THIS? NO, I, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR POINT. 
          I THINK THE ONLY OTHER, UM, I, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL IN ADDRESSING THE MAJOR TRAILHEAD CONGESTION ISSUES THAT WE HAD. 
          UM, AND THAT'S FANTASTIC. 
          I THINK THE ONE OTHER ONE THAT IS STILL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTHY NECESSARILY OF, OF A LIST, BUT THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK AS DRY CREEK AND THAT IS OUTSIDE OUR JURISDICTION. 
          BUT WE HAVE BEEN LOBBYING REALLY HARD, TRYING REALLY HARD TO WORK WITH THEM ON. 
          AND I THINK WE ARE MAKING SOME PROGRESS THERE. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER, I THINK, CRITICAL AREA. 
          AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT THIS ONE IS LARGELY ADDRESSED AND DOES UNTIL A NEW ONE POPS UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE MAKING PROGRESS. 
          'CAUSE I HAVEN'T ASKED YOU ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF ITS LAST STATUS. 
          SO AT OUR NEXT MEETING YOU CAN TELL ME ABOUT WHY IT'S NOT BLEAK ANYMORE. 
          BUT I JUST DON'T THINK, I GUESS I'M JUST SAYING, CAN WE TALK ABOUT AT SOME POINT WHEN THINGS CAN COME OFF A LIST, , WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I COME AT THIS FROM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ANGLE, BUT MAYBE LARGELY THE SAME DIRECTION. 
          I, I DO HAVE MY OWN QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE TAKE THINGS AND WHEN WE TAKE THINGS OFF OF THE LIST. 
          SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CONVERSATION. 
          THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I GOTTA TELL YOU, IT MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR US TO BE THINKING ABOUT SPENDING THE PUBLIC'S DOLLARS DOING, MAKING PERMANENT A STAFFED ENTRY TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE DEVELOPER NEVER PAID FOR AND THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T PAY FOR. 
          AND A STAFFED ENTRANCE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD IS A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE. 
          I, I TRY TO THINK OF WHERE THEY ARE AROUND OUR CITY AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY AN APPROPRIATE USE OF PUBLIC DOLLARS. 
          SO I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SPEND MUCH MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS ARE, BUT NOT CAPITAL DOLLARS ON A SOLUTIONS. 
          AND TO THAT POINT, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANTED TO PURSUE A CAPITAL PROJECT INSTEAD OF THE ONGOING 
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STAFFING IS BECAUSE STAFFING IS ONGOING AND IT IS EXPENSIVE. 
          AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEONE PHYSICALLY SITTING THERE KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR YOU DON'T HAVE SOME KIND OF PHYSICAL BARRIER, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS WE HAD BEFORE WITH PEOPLE ACCESSING THAT AREA AND JUST PARKING TO, TO ACCESS CATHEDRAL ROCKS. 
          I, I LARGELY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYONE IN SEDONA SHOULD PAY FOR THAT GATE. 
          I THINK THE NEIGHBORS DOWN THERE SHOULD PAY FOR THAT GATE. 
          AND IF ASSUMING THEY WON'T , THEN, THEN, THEN WE, THEN THEY GOTTA LIVE WITH WHAT THEY CHOSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE, WE'VE DONE OUR PART WITH PUTTING A TRAIL HEAD SHUTTLE IN THERE, WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE CULTURE OF PEOPLE GETTING ON THE TRAIL HEAD SHUTTLE. 
          AND AT SOME POINT WE'VE DONE WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WE NEED TO PUT THE PRESSURE BACK ON THOSE THAT REALLY SHOULD BEAR THE COST OF A GATED ENTRY. 
          SO, OH, SORRY. 
          UM, THE WAY THIS STARTED OUT, I, I THINK THE CITY WAS VERY MINIMALLY, UM, INVOLVED IN THE VERY BEGINNING AND THEN OVER TIME THE SAFETY ISSUES GOT WORSE AND WORSE. 
          AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY DON'T HAVE AN HOA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REAL GOOD MECHANISM FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND TO MANAGE THINGS IN THIS AREA. 
          AND IT'S JUST A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE SET UP THAT WAY. 
          YET THEY HAVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ATTRACTIONS IN, IN THE WHOLE, IN THE WHOLE CITY. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT WAS A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION, I THINK WE'D SAY THIS NEEDS TO BE A PRIVATE ROAD AND YOU NEED TO HAVE A GATE AND YOU NEED TO CONTROL IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, KURT AND I HAVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE QUITE A BIT AS WELL. 
          AND YEAH, ANDY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE'S NO, CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO GATE PLANNED, RIGHT? IT'D JUST BE THE TURNAROUND AND MOVING THE TCA OFF OF THE, OFF OF THE ROUNDABOUTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CHANGES YOUR THOUGHTS, COUNSEL. 
          I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN IN DEBATE ABOUT THAT, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE WHETHER IT NOT BE A AUTOMATED GATE, BUT ONE THAT A PERSON COULD STAND THERE AND SHUT AND NOT HAVE TO BE THE SOLE MECHANISM TO KEEP TRAFFIC OUT. 
          I I THINK THAT HELPS. 
          PART OF THE, PART OF THE ISSUE IS JUST BEING ABLE TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC A LITTLE MORE EFFECTIVELY. 
          AND I KNOW, I KNOW YOU AND I DON'T FULLY AGREE ABOUT HOW WE DO THAT, BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T GIVEN UP HOPE ON, ON HAVING SOMETHING  A LITTLE MORE HELPFUL FOR OUR STAFF. 
          . 
          SO JUST THE CONDITIONS ARE, IT'S A THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY OPERATION AND IT'S REALLY NOT TRYING TO REGULATE PEOPLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S REGULATING TO THE TRAILHEAD AND THAT'S THE INTENT. 
          AND THEN IT'S JUST THAT EDUCATION OUTREACH TO TELL PEOPLE IT'S DANGEROUS TO TRY TO WALK OR, YOU KNOW, RIDE A BIKE AND THAT WE CAN OUTREACH AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY GET MORE, UM, TRIP ANALYSIS AND SO ON. 
          AND THEN IT'S ALSO TO SUPPORT OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF CALL OUTS ON THERE. 
          WE JUST FOUND OUT TODAY WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL IN A SAFE STREETS GRANT WE APPLIED TO. 
          UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA QUIT. 
          WE'RE GONNA REAPPLY IN JANUARY WITH ROBERTS. 
          SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THAT CORRIDOR FOR SAFETY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I TOTALLY GET THE IMPORTANCE OF DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. 
          I MYSELF HAD A CLOSE CALL RIDING MY BIKE DOWN THAT ROAD ONE DAY AND SO I REALLY GET IT IN A VERY PERSONAL WAY, BUT WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS MAKING A PERMANENT STAFFING SOLUTION AND STAFFING IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES. 
          THERE'S GOTTA BE A DIFFERENT WAY, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, I DRIVE THROUGH THAT ROUNDABOUT AT LEAST THREE OUT OF FOUR SATURDAYS A MONTH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF EIGHT TO 10:00 AM SO I SEE WHERE THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT PULLS IN AND GETS STOPPED BY THE TCA AND WORST CASE MAYBE IT BACKS 1 79 UP A HALF A DOZEN CARS. 
          HONESTLY, I WOULDN'T SPEND A DIME TO FIX THAT PROBLEM. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A SAFETY ISSUE IN THAT REGARD. 
          AND MOST OF THE TIME THE CAR THAT'S STOPPED IS PULLED OVER ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY STILL GO THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          SO I WOULDN'T SPEND A PENNY ON IT, NUMBER ONE. 
          UH, SECONDLY, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S THE HO A'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DEAL WITH IT, EVEN IF YOU DID WANNA SPEND MONEY ON IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CREATE THAT PROBLEM. 
          UM, AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH, I MEAN, WE'VE SAID AS A COMMUNITY IT'S NOT A GOOD THING TO, TO BE UNABLE TO HAVE EMERGENCY VEHICLES GET 
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ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CATHEDRAL LOT. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS ABOUT THE, UH, BACK OF BEYOND NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL ACTUALLY. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT I FEEL PROBABLY MOST STRONGLY ABOUT IS WHAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON BROUGHT UP, WHICH I'VE JUST, JUST BEEN WAITING ON WHEN'S THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT, OF CAN WE WHACK TWO THIRDS OF THE, OF THIS LIST OF STUFF BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S ESSENTIALLY DONE OR WHETHER IT'S JUST FRANKLY NOT A PRIORITY, LIKE I, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A SEPARATE WORK SESSION ON EXACTLY HOW DO WE GET STUFF CHECKMARKED AND REMOVED AND JUST WHETHER STUFF IS JUST SIMPLY PART OF, IT'S WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY AS PART OF OUR NORMAL WORK PROGRAM. 
          AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE MEDIA AND THE PUBLIC THAT IT'S ONE OF 18 CURRENT PRIORITIES AS OPPOSED TO HERE'S THE TOP FIVE. 
          'CAUSE IF ANYBODY HERE, YOU KNOW, HAS RUN FOR OFFICE ANYTIME RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED ALL THE TIME, WELL, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE TOP ISSUES? YOU KNOW, AND IT'S FOUR OR FIVE OUT OF HERE AND THAT'S IT. 
          AND THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT. 
          LET'S SIMPLIFY THIS. 
          THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY TED TALK. 
          I'M DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNSELOR FOLTZ, THIS IS THAT WORK SESSION. 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE YOU WOULD DO THAT. 
          LET'S, WE'RE THESE TWO DAYS AND BY END OF DAY TOMORROW WE SHOULD HAVE A FINALIZED FY 25 COUNCIL PRIORITY LIST. 
          AND IF THERE ARE THINGS ON THIS LIST THAT COME OFF THE LIST, THAT'S LET'S DO IT. 
          FINE. 
          YEAH, WELL WE'RE, WE'RE VERY GOOD AT, UM, BEING ABLE TO VOTE ON THINGS. 
          UH, IT SEEMS WHEN WE'RE, UH, SELECTING CANDIDATES FOR THIS OR THAT, WE'VE HAD AN AWFUL LOT OF UNANIMITY ACTUALLY ON THAT. 
          SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ALL COME TO TOMORROW WITH OUR OWN LITTLE LIST OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ON YOUR TOP FIVE. 
          WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE STAYS FRONT AND CENTER, BOTH, UH, AMONGST OURSELVES HERE AND THEN WITH THE COMMUNITY IN TOTAL. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION FOR AT LEAST A STARTING POINT AND THEN DISCUSS IT TOMORROW. 
          JUST A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAD, YOU HAD RECOGNIZED ME AFTER BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU KAREN. 
          THANK YOU FOR CHIMING IN ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING, WROTE MY LITTLE NOTE TO SAY AS WELL IS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND GETTING THE UPDATES ON WHERE THINGS ARE SO WE KNOW WHAT, WHEN WE GET TO OUR DISCUSSION TOMORROW, WHICH IS THEN A MORE PHILOSOPHICAL RATHER THAN EDUCATIONAL, WHICH THIS IS FOR PART ONE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO TOMORROW IS KNOW WHAT IS ONGOING AND WHAT'S NOT. 
          SO TO THAT, THIS IS THE PROCESS. 
          UM, I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MOVE SLOWLY, BUT JUST WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING IT. 
          THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION TO A PROJECT LIKE THIS BEING ON A PRIORITY LIST. 
          IF IT WERE NOT ON A PRIORITY LIST TO COME FORWARD TO US IN THIS WAY, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THE DISCUSSION THAT SEEMED TO HAVE TRIGGERED WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS, WHAT'S A, A APPROPRIATE PARTNERSHIP EVEN WITH IT'S 1 79 THAT'S GETTING BACKED UP WITH ADOT OR WHATEVER. 
          WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THE DISCUSSION IF IT WEREN'T ON THE LIST. 
          SO I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COME FORWARD. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S TRIGGERING US TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE OUR PRIORITIES, NOT WHETHER IT GETS ON THE LIST IF IT HAS TO OR NOT. 
          THAT'S PART TWO OF DISCUSSION, WHICH I ALREADY SAID. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND PETE'S CONCERNS, UH, ABSOLUTELY ABOUT USING PUBLIC MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY SERVING A PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IS IT A PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOOD THOUGH? THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE BACK AND BEYOND ROAD IS NOT A, UM, COMMUNITY IN AND OF ITSELF. 
          IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD. 
          IT'S NOT A PRIVATE ROAD. 
          IT'S NOT WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY. 
          SO THEREFORE, DOES THE CITY HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO THAT ROAD? I BELIEVE THAT, THAT WE DO. 
          UM, ALSO, I HAVE GONE THROUGH THERE AND I USUALLY GO THROUGH THERE ON SUNDAYS RIGHT BEFORE 10 O'CLOCK AND RIGHT WHEN IT'S FILLING UP AND I SEE I HAVE SEEN A BUNCH OF DICEY NEAR MISSES AS CARS THAT WERE PULLED OVER AND ARE HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH OUR PERSON THEN TRY TO GET BACK INTO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. 
          I ABSOLUTELY THINK IT'S CERTAINLY WORTHWHILE TO MOVE THIS OFF OF THERE. 
          AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, UH, FOR OUR STAFF WAS WHAT IS I, I CAN'T TELL FROM LOOKING AT THIS. 
          UM, THE STACKING ABILITY THAT THIS WILL CREATE, IT LOOKS SIGNIFICANT AND I THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE, WE, WHAT THE SOLUTION THAT WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE HAS CREATED ANOTHER PROBLEM. 
          THE PROBLEM BEING NOW OUT ON THE STATE ROAD. 
          SO OUR SOLUTION HASN'T BEEN A SOLUTION. 
          IT'S BEEN A STOP GAP. 
          IT'S BEEN NECESSARY. 
          UM, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE STOP THE END SOLUTION. 
          I THINK WHAT'S 
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BEING BROUGHT FORWARD, UM, IS A RESPONSIBLE PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT NOW WE'VE CREATED IN ADDRESSING THE, ON THE, UH, EXISTING PROBLEM. 
          SO DOES THIS DISCUSSION BELONG HERE? I THINK IT ABSOLUTELY DOES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          JESSICA HAS TO FOLLOW UP. 
          AND THEN YOU WANTED TO FOLLOW UP AND I HAVEN'T EVEN SPOKEN YET, SO I'M GIVING UP THAT TIME. 
          SO GO AHEAD. 
          WE SHOULD NOT BE INDIVIDUALLY DISCUSSING OUR IDEAS ABOUT ONGOING PROJECTS THAT PE THAT THEY DO THIS. 
          A PRIORITY LIST IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PRIORITY HAS TO MEAN SOMETHING. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN, OH, THERE'S A PROJECT WHERE THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT IT AND WE HAVE TO, WE SOMEHOW THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO DISCUSS. 
          IT'S NOT IMPORTANT FOR US TO DISCUSS. 
          PRIORITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE CRUCIAL, MOST IMPORTANT TOP OF LINE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET. 
          THAT'S, I MEAN, AND IN STAFF FOCUS IN THE FUTURE. 
          IT, I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BELIEVE COUNCIL SHOULD BE DISCUSSING THESE KIND OF PROJECTS. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S A PROJECT. 
          I MEAN, HE THINKS IT SHOULDN'T BE. 
          YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE? I THINK IT SHOULD BE. 
          I I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY US. 
          IT'S NOT POLICY. 
          IT'S MICROMANAGING A PROJECT. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED REALLY TO STICK TO POLICY TO A, I THINK WE HAVE TO STEP UP A COUPLE OF LEVELS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE PROJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE THIS. 
          THANK, THANK YOU BRIAN. 
          AND I'D LIKE, UH, I OTHER TWO COUNSELORS TO OPINE IF THEY CHOOSE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          AGAIN. 
          I CONCUR WITH COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON'S THOUGHT. 
          I KNOW YOU SEEM SHOCKED BY THAT. 
          UH, ANYBODY AGREES WITH ME. 
          . 
          I THINK THAT I, I, WHAT I FORGOT TO MENTION, UH, WHEN I SPOKE LAST WAS THERE, THERE'S A, A BRILLIANT ALTERNATIVE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED TO, UH, BUILD AN ALTERNATE ACCESS TO THE CATHEDRAL AREA WITH MULTIPLE PARKING AREAS. 
          AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THE US FOREST SERVICE STANDING SQUARELY IN THE WAY OF DOING SOMETHING INTELLIGENT LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR, UH, PARKING ON BACKUP BEYOND IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          SO I WOULD BE HESITANT TO SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF DOLLARS ON SOMETHING THAT COULD ALSO BE A THROWAWAY ULTIMATELY. 
          ALTHOUGH I REALIZED GETTING THE FOREST SERVICE TO MOVE ON THAT PROPOSED, UH, PARKING AND ACCESS AREA IS, UH, NO SMALL FEAT. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S ALSO ONE OTHER SOLUTION FOR WHAT TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          WHY COULDN'T THIS BE SIM WHATEVER? AND IT'S JUST ANOTHER SIM PROJECT. 
          AND AGAIN, TO COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON'S POINT, YOU KNOW, COMES TO US FOR, YOU KNOW, APPROVING A CONTRACT TO GO GET IT BUILT IF THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, HIS DESIRE TO BE DONE, UH, AS OF FOR INSTANCE. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS MAYOR MELISSA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, UH, BRIAN, I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          UH, YOU CAN, IF IT COMES OFF THE LIST, PUT IT AS A SIM PROJECT, FUTURE SIM PROJECT AND IT'LL BE FUNDED AND WORKED THROUGH THAT PLAN. 
          SHOULD IT BE A PRIORITY? NO, IT'S ALREADY BEEN GOING ON FOR FOUR YEARS, SO IT'S NO LONGER AN URGENT PRIORITY, BUT IT NEEDS TO STAY ACTIVE. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY INTENTION OF IT COMING OFF AND NOT BEING WORKED ON. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT NEEDS TO STAY ACTIVE BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED, WELL ACTUALLY BRIAN DID. 
          THIS IS A TRAIL HEAD ACCESS THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS THERE BEFORE THE RESIDENTS WERE THERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE. 
          WE'VE ASKED AND ASKED AND ASKED THE FOREST SERVICE TO DO SOMETHING AT CATHEDRAL ROCK. 
          GEE, IT'S A GREAT PIECE OF LAND JUST SOUTH. 
          THEY REFUSE TO DO IT. 
          YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          BUT IT WOULD COST, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DO THAT. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY SAID IT'S ALSO A LONG TRAIL TO GET TO FROM THAT LOT UP TO CATHEDRAL ROCK. 
          SO I DON'T SEE THEM DOING ANYTHING. 
          UM, THE COST OF MANPOWER TO DO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. 
          FOUR YEARS, KAREN, HOW, HOW LONG IS THAT GOING ON? A LONG TIME VERSUS IT'S THE COST OF A GATE. 
          TCA STARTED. 
          YES, IT'S IT'S PUBLIC ROAD BECAUSE THEY DON'T OWN IT. 
          WE OWN IT. 
          UM, IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE TRAILHEAD. 
          SO THAT COULD BE ACCESSIBLE DURING A THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. 
          I WOULD A GATE BE OUT OF THE REALM OF US. 
          WOULD IT BE PUTTING PUBLIC MONEY INTO PRIVATE? 
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WOULD HANDS, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          KURT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? IF WE WERE TO PUT A MECHANICAL GATE, OPEN IT FROM SUNDAY? YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN? SO I, EITHER ONE. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL LET ANDY GO. 
          OKAY. 
          I WANTED TO, I'LL KEEP MY OPINION. 
          I'M GONNA PROVIDE IT PRIVATELY TO COUNSELOR. 
          OKAY. 
          COLLECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE BENEFIT I SEE OF THE GATE IS WE'RE CLOSING THE ROAD ANYWAY, BUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE TCA CAN DO IS HAVE A GATE BACK HERE AND HE'S INTERACTING WITH THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT FURTHER BACK. 
          SO HE'S BASICALLY JUST, HE OR SHE IS JUST TRYING TO KEEP TRAFFIC FLOWING AND HAVING THAT BLOCKING KEEPS US FROM HAVING TO HAVE TOO MUCH OTHER, YOU KNOW, APPARATUS THERE. 
          WELL, BUT SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME OUT IN THE SITUATION. 
          RIGHT? SO THE, THE OTHER DIRECTION HERE WOULD BE OPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD BE OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S STILL MANPOWER IT, WHICH IS HARD. 
          WHICH IS REALLY HARD TO FILL. 
          BUT THAT GOES TO WHAT, WHAT KURT'S SAYING. 
          I THINK IF HE WOULD FEEL LESS COMFORTABLE IF WE HAD AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM HERE THAT'S MORE LIKE A PRIVATE GATE TYPE COMMUNITY. 
          WHAT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS JUST HAVING SOMETHING IN PLACE WHILE A TCA IS THERE TO HELP THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB MORE EFFECTIVELY. 
          I'M LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING TO ELIMINATE THE TCA BUT STILL MAINTAIN THE SAFETY. 
          I UNDERSTAND KURT. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ANOTHER TIME. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS. 
          BUT, UM, I JUST THINK ULTIMATELY THE COST FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, IF WE MIGHT SAVE MONEY BY PUTTING, PUTTING A GATE THERE, ELECTRONIC MECHANICAL GATE THAT COULD BE LEFT OPEN ON, YOU KNOW, THE LOW TOURIST DAYS AND CLOSED, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON. 
          IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. BUT OF COURSE THE COMMUNITY HAS A PRIVATE ACCESS GATE. 
          UM, I WOULD SUPPORT YOU DOING THIS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN, UH, LIKE COUNCILOR FOLTZ, I'VE SEEN MANY TIMES WHEN THE IT IS BACKING UP, I JUST BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING. 
          COUNCILOR FALLS TO SAY, WELL, IT'S ONLY FOUR OR FIVE CARS. 
          I I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN ANOMALY OF A PROBLEM. 
          UM, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT IN YOUR HANDS. 
          THAT WOULD BE NICE. 
          AND THAT'S MY MY OPINION. 
          LEAVE IT IN YOUR HANDS AS A SIM PROJECT. 
          UH, BRIAN, YOU WANT TO YEAH, JUST MAYOR. 
          I, THERE DOESN'T RIGHT NOW, AS LONG AS THERE'S GONNA BE ACCESS CONTROL, THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE A PERSON THERE. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA STILL SHOW UP WANTING TO DRIVE DOWN, BACK OR BEYOND. 
          SO NO MATTER WHAT WE THINK WE WANT TO DO HERE, AS LONG AS THERE'S A PARKING LOT TO BE HAD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A PERSON THERE. 
          OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF A TRAFFIC BACKLOG AND TRAFFIC PROBLEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW IF LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS NOW IS THE RIGHT ANSWER OR MOVING IT DOWN AND AT LEAST YOU HAVE A, A QUEUE WHERE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOME ROOM AND IT'S NOT BLOCKING ONCE EVERY NINE. 
          JUST, JUST REMEMBER WE'RE EDUCATIONAL. 
          WE'RE NOT ENFORCING. 
          SO IF SOMEONE HAS A DESIRE AND DEMANDS TO GO TO BACK, WE DON'T STOP THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE, THEY CAN GO IN AND VERIFY THAT THE LOT IS FULL. 
          WHAT WE ASK THEM IS DON'T PARK, DON'T CREATE INSTRUCTION, RETURN, COME BACK AND MOST OF THEM COME ALL THE WAY BACK AND THEN THEY DRIVE TO BACK. 
          SO WE'RE NOT THERE AS LIKE GUARDS. 
          WE'RE JUST THERE AS EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH TO TELL 'EM LOTS FULL USED TO TRANSIT. 
          I GET IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO THE QUESTION WAS HERE, LEAVE IT ON. 
          WE'RE GONNA THE TOMORROW. 
          I THINK WE'LL DO IT TOMORROW. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THE NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN REMOVED IN THE PAST AND I, AND IT WAS NEVER MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD REMAIN TOMORROW. 
          I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE IS SOME INTEREST IN REMOVING AND I THINK BRIAN'S RIGHT, I THINK I LOOK AT THIS AND A HUGE PORTION OF THEM, SHORT TERM RENTAL MANAGEMENT BEING ONE OF THEM ARE, ARE ONGOING. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT TOMORROW AND I'M VERY EXCITED THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WAS THERE ANYTHING MORE? SORRY, COURTNEY? NO SIR. 
          YOU SURE YOU WANNA COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          NINE. 
          WE MANAGE EVERYTHING. 
          IT'S DONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          UH, COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. 
          YES, IT'S CYNTHIA AND STEVE. 
          ALRIGHT, 
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GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I HAVE MY COUNSEL RETREAT CLOSE ON TODAY. 
          I NOTICED THAT , IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DRESSED VERY SIMILAR TODAY. 
          LIKE TAG TEAM ON US. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, WE TALK, BE KIND, TALK. 
          WE'RE GETTING TIRED. 
          UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
          UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AS YOU KNOW, UM, IS IN PROCESS AND THE DRAFT IS OUT TO PUBLIC. 
          UM, WE HAVE JUST, EXCUSE ME, UM, MET WITH FIVE OF THE SEVEN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS ON ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, AND THAT WENT VERY WELL AND I THINK IT WAS APPRECIATED BY BOTH SIDES AND WE OFFER THAT TO COUNSEL AS WELL, UH, AT THE TIME THAT IS APPROPRIATE. 
          SO, UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, AS I SAID, THE PUBLIC, UH, IS COMMENTING, UH, FROM OUR WEBSITE, UH, THROUGH THE CONVEO UH, PROGRAM. 
          UM, WE ARE RECEIVING DAILY COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT. 
          SO, UM, THAT IS GOING TO BE OR, OR IS ALREADY BEING COLLATED. 
          UM, AND UH, UH, WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE REALLY GOOD INPUT FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW, UH, TO MAKE WHAT I THINK IS A PRETTY GOOD, UH, PLAN RIGHT NOW, THE DRAFT, UH, TO MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. 
          SO, AND WE STILL ARE ON TRACK WITH THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAD, UH, SENT OUT BEFORE HOPING FOR TO BRING IT FORTH TO COUNCIL FOR A VOTE MARCH 12TH. 
          HMM. 
          QUESTIONS? ARE YOU MONITORING THE INPUT THAT'S COMING IN RIGHT NOW TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE ANY FLAVOR RIGHT NOW OF, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOME THINGS THAT PEOPLE PARTICULARLY LIKE VERSUS SOME THINGS THAT EITHER THEY DISLIKE OR THINK THAT ARE MISSING. 
          YOU WANNA JUMP ON THAT ONE? I'LL JUMP ON THAT. 
          , WE THOUGHT YOU MIGHT ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          . 
          UM, SO WE ARE MONITORING, UM, THE COMMENTS AND I ACTUALLY WILL BE TALKING TO OUR CONSULTANT TOMORROW, UM, BECAUSE WE WANNA FLAG ANYTHING THAT MIGHT NEED RESPONSES IF PEOPLE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE COMMENTS, I'M GONNA GROUP WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE P AND Z MEMBERS, WHICH IS SO FAR, IS FIVE. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT ABOUT 115 COMMENTS, ONO. 
          AND I THINK THE THING THAT THAT KEEPS POPPING UP IS DIVERSITY AND INCLUSIVITY. 
          AND THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW COMMENTS ON THAT, WHICH, WHICH I THINK IS INTERESTING. 
          WE DO MENTION IN THE PLAN THE NEED FOR, UM, INVOLVING THE SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY MORE IN TRANSLATING THINGS. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW COME YOU DIDN'T MENTION OTHER PEOPLE? SO THAT, THAT WAS INTERESTING. 
          ALL THE OTHERS ARE VERY PREDICTABLE. 
          TRAFFIC, O HVS ST. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, AND THE INCLUSIVITY, UH, COMMENTS WERE NOT JUST, UH, FOR OUR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF WHO WE ARE AS A DESTINATION COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO VISIT THAT MAY NOT, UH, UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE, UH, DIRECTIONAL, UH, ISSUES THAT WE PUT OUT THERE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PETE? THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. 
          SO YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS, AND ARE YOU ASKING FOR US TO EXPRESS NOW THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT? OR WILL YOU GIVE US THE WINDOW LATER ON? AND I PAID ATTENTION TO IT THEN WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT FROM ME? IT WAS OUR INTENT TO ABSOLUTELY HAVE ONE-ON-ONES WITH COUNSELORS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD WANTED. 
          WE HAVE IT IN OUR SCHEDULE, UM, TO, TO PROVIDE FOR THAT. 
          UM, WE FOUND, AS I SAID, OUR MEETINGS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS TO BE VERY HELPFUL AND UH, THEY RECIPROCATED THAT SAME THOUGHT. 
          SO PUT ME ON THE LIST, BUT, BUT WHAT'S THE TIMING FOR THAT? IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE IN BETWEEN P AND Z'S APPROVAL OF IT AND WHEN IT COMES TO US OR ARE YOU WANTING IT BEFORE IT GOES TO P AND Z? I THINK WITH TIMING IT MOST LIKELY, I'LL SAY FEBRUARY BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A LOT OF TIME IN BETWEEN P AND Z AND 
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YOUR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IS, UH, WORK SESSION AND WHAT DATE THAT SHOULD OCCUR, BUT I, I WOULD SAY FEBRUARY MOST LIKELY HE JUST FINISHED. 
          ARE YOU GETTING ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE TALL GUY IN THE FRONT ROW OVER THERE? ? I'VE GOTTEN A FEW FROM HIM, YES. 
          . 
          SO THANK YOU ARNIE. 
          THE USUAL SUSPECTS. 
          . 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND YOU SPOKE ALL GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU SURE? I DON'T WANNA PUT A VIDEO ON OR NOTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BLESS YOU. 
          IT'S AMAZING. 
          YOU'VE STUCK TO YOUR DATES, BY THE WAY. 
           TASK MASSACRE. 
          YEAH, THAT, OH SURE. 
          ALRIGHT, NUMBER 11. 
          CULTURAL PARK AND OTHER PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS. 
          MAYOR, ARE WE DOING A BREAK ANYTIME SOON? . 
          I THOUGHT WE HAD JUST HAD LUNCH. 
          WE WANNA MOVE, KEEP MOVING. 
          BUT YOU FEEL YOU WANNA TAKE SOME TIME COUPLE HOURS AGO, WASN'T IT? YEAH, WE CAME BACK AT, AT, UH, WE STARTED LATE 20 12 30. 
          YEAH, TWO HOURS. 
          OH, YOU WANT TO TAKE, UM, 10 MINUTES SOMETIME SOON. 
          MAYOR  . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE CULTURAL PARK PRESENTATION? UH, TWO MINUTES. 
          . 
          OH, I THINK WE JUST SUPER REALLY SHORT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THE UPDATE FROM HOUSING ON THE RFP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, AND, UH, WE ARE, UM, I HAVE CREATED AN RA DRAFT RFP THAT I'VE SENT OUT TO STAFF, UH, WHO HAVE, UH, LAMB BASED IN ME AND I AM  AND, AND I WILL BE, UH, CREATING THE FINAL RFP, UH, VERY SHORTLY TO SEND THAT OUT. 
          SO, UH, WE ARE ANTICIPATING, UM, PROBABLY GETTING THAT RFP OUT BEFORE THE END OF DECEMBER. 
          THAT IS MY GOAL. 
          AND THAT RFP IS TO BRING IN A CONSULTANT WHO WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO INITIATE THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND IS IT STILL, IS IT STILL THE PLAN THAT THAT WOULD BE DONE ULTIMATELY AFTER THE COMMUNITY PLAN PROJECT IS DONE TO IF FIT THE ALERT? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE STARTED IF WE GET THE RFP OUT FIRST OF THE YEAR. 
          IT'S A SEVERAL MONTH PROCESS TO GET PROPOSALS, REVIEW, SELECT BRING TO COUNCIL. 
          SO WE WOULDN'T EVEN REALLY BE INITIATING THAT UNTIL TOWARDS THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED, BRIAN, YOU HAD SOMETHING. 
          AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS WILL IN FACT INCLUDE ROBUST COMMUNITY INPUT. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          . 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR FOR EVERY, EVERYBODY, RIGHT? YES. 
          EVERYBODY. 
          EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY. 
          I GOT YES, EVERYBODY THAT THE, UM, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN IN THAT, UH, EVEN BEFORE WE GET ANY KIND OF PROPOSALS TO PUT OUT THERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE VERY, AND I'LL USE THAT WORD AGAIN. 
          I LOVE THAT WORD, ROBUST, UM, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH THROUGH MEETINGS, THROUGH, UM, OUR WEBSITES, THROUGH, UH, SURVEYS. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, IT'LL BE A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          SO CONSISTENT WITH WHAT PRIOR COUNSEL HAD COMMITTED TO WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY CONTRACTED FOR MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THE PROMISE. 
          YES. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          PERFECT. 
          YES, VICE MAYOR. 
          SO, UH, KAREN, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHANNON WAS HERE, WE REALLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT HOMELESSNESS. 
          AND TO THE DEGREE IT'S A SAFE PLACE TO PARK, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CULTURAL CENTER. 
          WHEN SHOULD WE EXPECT STAFF TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT PROGRAM? UM, THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, IT'S SLATED RIGHT NOW FOR A WORK SESSION, EITHER FIRST OR SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, SO IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. 
          SO SHANNON MENTIONED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY THERE IN TERMS OF THE LOGISTICS, THE PARTNERSHIP THAT THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER WITH VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION. 
          UM, AS WELL AS ONE OF THE, THE BIG THINGS, AND I THINK THIS PROBABLY SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT TO COUNCILOR FO'S QUESTION ABOUT THE HOMELESS PLAN AND THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND WHICH COMES FIRST. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHANNON AND JEANNIE HAVE BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING PRIOR TO COMING TO COUNCIL IS TRYING TO GET THE BEST UNDERSTANDING 
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THAT THEY CAN OF THE NEED. 
          SO MEETING WITH BUSINESS OWNERS, WITH EMPLOYEES, BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WOULD WANT TO DO IS GO OUT THERE AND INVEST WHAT IS, WHAT IS NORTH OF A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN INFRASTRUCTURE TO CREATE A SAFE PLACE TO PARK, UM, SITUATION. 
          AND THEN HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO USE IT. 
          RIGHT? WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE NEED IS THERE AND THE UTILIZATION WILL BE GOOD IF WE INVEST IN IT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. 
          UH, AND YOU SHOULD BE SEEING SOMETHING IN JANUARY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO YEAH, SO THE MASTER, I JUST WANNA THINK ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE. 
          SO THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, HOW, HOW LONG DO YOU ESTIMATE THAT'LL TAKE A YEAR? I'M ESTIMATING ABOUT YES. 
          NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR. 
          UM, AGAIN, THROUGH, ONCE WE DO FINALLY GET A FIRM ON BOARD, UM, WORKING WITH STAFF TO SET THE CRITERIA AND THE PARAMETERS, THEN THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THEN THE, UM, THE PROPOSAL OF A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UH, THAT WHICH THE PUBLIC CAN THEN COMMENT. 
          SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR AT, AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD BE PROBABLY SEEKING PROPOSALS FROM DEVELOPERS OR, RIGHT? I WOULD ASSUME SO, YES. 
          SO THAT'LL, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW LONG WILL THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK SHOULD IT MOVE FORWARD ACTUALLY BE IN OPERATIONS, WHICH IS A FACTOR OF THE INVESTMENT AS WELL. 
          WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT LOCATION, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 41 ACRES. 
          I GUESS IF YOU BACK OUT THE FOUR AND A HALF ON THE ONE SIDE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE PARCEL. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO START DEVELOPMENT OF 41 ACRES ALL AT ONCE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE PHASED, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PRIORITIZE WHATEVER ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT LAND USES ARE THAT ARE REVEALED THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD TRY TO PRESERVE THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK WHILE CONSTRUCTION IS TAKING PLACE OF HOUSING BECAUSE ULTIMATELY YOU WANNA TRANSITION THOSE FOLKS AND SHELBY MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, BUT LIKELY CULTURAL PARK AND WHETHER THAT'S THE PARCEL ON THE EAST SIDE OR WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT WE WOULD WANNA BE KIND OF THOUGHTFUL ABOUT BEING ABLE TO CONSTRUCT SOME HOUSING WHILE PRESERVING THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK. 
          SO REALISTICALLY THAT'S YEARS OUT. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          SO YOU'RE THINKING IT'S NOT TEMPORARY? NO, IT'S TEMPORARY BUT IT IS NOT, IT'S TEMPORARY MEAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT, IT, IT'S NOT PERMANENT. 
          IT'S NOT 12 MONTHS, IT'S NOT 24 MONTHS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE TO FOUR YEARS. 
          REALISTICALLY, I WOULD SAY BEFORE OPTIMISTICALLY YOU, YOU WOULD, AND THAT'S PROBABLY MINIMALLY BEFORE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO DISTURB THAT LOCATION. 
          UM, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU PHASED THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH OF COURSE WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE MASTER PLAN IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHICH CAME FIRST. 
          YEAH. 
          I WILL SAY THOUGH THAT THE LOCATIONS OF PHASE ONE AND WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO PLACE THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK DOES LEND ITSELF TO ALLOW THAT LONGER TIME PERIOD. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, SO THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF 11 AS WELL. 
          AND THEN BRIAN, YOU WANT, BEFORE WE DO THE, UH, RANGER STATION, UH, PARK BUILD OUT, DO YOU WANNA TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SEE? OKAY. 
          , BRIAN NOW SPEAKS FROM HERE. 
          . 
          OH NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A SPECIALTY ITEM 12. 
          THANKED WHERE STEVE GOING NOW, RUNNING AWAY. 
          HE'S TO HELP. 
          HE'S, OH, IT HAPPENED AGAIN. 
          HE'S ALWAYS A HELPER. 
          ALL OF, YOU'RE NOT KIDDING. 
          FINE. 
          PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT MAKING A FILM RUN OVER, NOT REALIZING THAT YOU HAD DISAPPEARED UNDER THE TABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM 12, ACCELERATE RANGER STATION, PARK, BUILD OUT. 
          AND A HORSE. 
          AND HORSE AND HORSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, JOSH WAS GONNA BE HERE, BUT YOU GUYS ARE CLICKING THROUGH THIS VERY QUICK, SO, UM, WE'LL TRY TO ANSWER OR GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. 
          BUT MAINLY I, I KNOW EVERYONE SAID NO SLIDES, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          'CAUSE MAN, IT IS MOVING FAST. 
          WE'VE GOT POSSIBILITY OF RAIN NEXT WEEK. 
          AND SO, UM, THE CREWS THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE MOVING FAST AND THEY'RE THROWING A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE, THERE, SO IT'S PRETTY EXCITING. 
          UM, THE MIDDLE PICTURE WITH THE BIG GREEN IS THAT TURF. 
          IT'S, IT'S 
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ALL LAID. 
          IT WAS ALSO IN THE RED ROCK NEWS, WHICH WAS VERY EXCITING. 
          UM, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH IS BRAND NEW MUD THAT'S BEING LAID, THAT'S THE A DA ACCESS TO THE BARN. 
          AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THAT, UM, GIAN ROCK WALL THAT'S GOING AROUND THE TREE NEAR THE GRASS. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE DOING THAT THOSE WOOD PLANKS WILL BE STAINED AND THAT'LL BE A, A REAL COOL SEAT WALL. 
          UM, THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT SHOWS THAT A DA ACCESS GOING INTO THE BARN. 
          SO ONE OF OUR HPC UH, COMMISSIONERS WAS UNABLE TO GET HIS WHEELCHAIR IN, SO WE MADE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENED. 
          IT'LL ALSO HELP WITH ALL THE EVENTS AND WHEELING THINGS IN. 
          WE MADE IT NICE AND WIDE. 
          UM, THE CENTER PICTURE IS THE START OF THE PLAYGROUND CURB THAT'S BEING LAID AND A STAIRWAY THAT'S COMING DOWN BEHIND THE STAIRWAY IS GONNA BE THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND THEN THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THOSE CASCADING BASINS. 
          THAT'S THE GABON THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          EVERYTHING IS TURNING OUT GORGEOUS. 
          THE CONTRACTORS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. 
          UM, SO THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS THE SEAT WALL THAT GOES, UM, IN THAT SOUTHEASTERN CORNER THAT'S GONNA HELP, UH, SLOW DOWN THE FLOW AND HELP US BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO, UH, LOS ADOS. 
          AND YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT IN THE CENTER PICTURE, BUT WE HAVE ABOUT 60 LARGE BOULDERS THAT HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO THE SITE. 
          THOSE ARE BEING NESTED, UM, TO HELP, UH, KEEP PEOPLE CARS IN THE AREAS THAT THEY SHOULD BE. 
          AND ALSO JUST AN AMENITY FOR, UM, PEOPLE TO SIT ON AND CLIMB ON. 
          AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE SIDEWALK UP AND AROUND THE BARN. 
          AND THAT'S IN, UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME DIFFICULTY GETTING PLANTS 'CAUSE WE'RE IN DECEMBER, AND SO THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUGGLE. 
          UM, WE'RE GETTING THOSE SHIPPED IN, UH, A LOT OF NATIVE PLANTS AND SOME FLOWERING PLANTS. 
          WE'VE BEEN, UM, REAL CAREFUL IN WHAT WE'VE BEEN SELECTING THOSE WILL BE HERE NEXT WEEK. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S MOVING FAST. 
          PRETTY EXCITING. 
          SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, JOSH ISN'T HERE, BUT HE DID ADD THESE SLIDES JUST AS A REMINDER OF THE HELENA AND SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT ARE COMING, THE JEEPS AND THAT SLIDE AND THE SWING. 
          UM, THOSE ITEMS ARE ON ORDER. 
          SO, UM, EVERYTHING IS MOVING ALONG. 
          WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO KEEP THIS MOVING. 
          WE FOUND A LOCATION FOR THIS, UH, WORKOUT STATION THAT WILL BE IN THE BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, BUT NEAR THE GRASS AND THE PLAYGROUND SO THAT ADULTS CAN BE DOING THEIR PUSHUPS OR SIT-UPS OR, UM, ACTIVITIES WHILE THEIR KIDS ARE PLAYING. 
          ALSO, . 
          AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA TOUCH ON THESE, IS THIS SOME OF THE, SO WE HAD, UH, RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA. 
          UM, AND AS A PART OF THAT, UM, AND AS A PART OF OUR WORK GROUP DISCUSSIONS, UM, I, I GUESS I SHOULD BACK UP BY SAYING, UH, I AM LEADING A WORK GROUP THAT HELPS. 
          I'M SORRY, THAT HELPS , UH, A WORK GROUP TO, UM, DISCUSS AND, AND COME UP WITH IDEAS, UH, TO, UM, THROW SOME UNIQUENESS INTO THE PARK BEYOND WHAT IT ALREADY IS. 
          IT'S FAIRLY UNIQUE AS IT IS, UH, BUT STILL WHETHER IT BE, UH, UH, LOCATIONS AND TYPES OF BENCHES AND SHADE STRUCTURES AND, UM, ART AND INTERPRETIVE PANELS AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF GAMES THAT FAMILIES AND ADULTS CAN PLAY. 
          SO AGAIN, KEEPING IN THEME WITH THE COMMUNITY PARK, UH, AND, AND PROVIDING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER. 
          SO, UM, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT HAVE BEEN, AS THINGS YOU CAN SEE UP HERE, UH, I LOVE IT WHEN I HAVE VISUALS THAT HELP ME WITH MY  DISCUSSION. 
          UM, UH, THE PINGING PONG TABLES, THE HORSESHOES, UH, TABLES THAT HAVE, UH, THE CHECKER OR CHESS BOARDS ON TOP OF THEM, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, UH, CORNHOLE OR BAGS, UH, THOSE SORTS OF INSTALLATIONS AND POSSIBLY ANOTHER BOCCE, UH, COURT. 
          SO HERE'S THE SUMMARY OF WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          THE CONCRETE WORK WILL BE DONE THIS MONTH. 
          UH, AS I SAID, LANDSCAPE INSTALLATION IS STARTING NEXT WEEK, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPLETING THAT IN JANUARY, THE PARKING LOT AND SHARED USE PATH. 
          WE ARE GONNA RECEIVE BIDS NEXT WEEK ON WEDNESDAY. 
          IT'S SCHEDULED TO GO, UM, BEFORE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL FOR THAT CONTRACT EARLY JANUARY. 
          AND WE EXPECT 
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INSTALLATION TO BE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH. 
          AND THEN, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, UM, ITEMS ARE ON ORDER. 
          AND THEN JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON THE, UM, INSIDE OF THE STRUCTURES, THE HOUSE AND THE BARN, THE ARCHITECT IS, UM, UNDERWAY AND DESIGN THOSE SKETCHES, INITIAL SKETCHES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PARKS AND THE HISTORIC SOCIETY. 
          UM, SO WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH THAT. 
          AND REALLY THE, THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THOSE USABLE SPACES AT THIS TIME AND THEN THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE IN AS WE SEE WHAT THE, THE USES WILL BE. 
          SO THAT'S ALL WE HAD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? SANDY, COULD YOU CLARIFY? THESE DATES ARE 24, RIGHT? SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          IS IT I'M SICK. 
          I WAS SICK. 
          SORRY. 
          , IS IT FY FY 25, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING FY 25. 
          MY BRAIN . 
          SURE. 
          THAT MAY SOUND GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, . 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT MONTH. 
          YEAH, I THINK, UM, WE'RE ALL GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MEAN, YOU JUST TOPPED OFF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD BEFORE WAS ABOUT THE ADULT GAMES OR THE, THE, THE, UH, I NEVER SAW A PING PONG TABLE OUT THERE IN A PARK. 
          THAT'S PRETTY COOL. 
          BUT SHUFFLEBOARD AND BOCCE, THAT'S, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THOSE THINGS AND IT, IT'S THERE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY MET WITH AND WALKED AROUND THE PARK WITH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, TO DISCUSS THE TYPES AND THE LOCATIONS. 
          YOU DID, YOU MEAN OUTREACH? YEAH. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          VERY PROUD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY, VERY PROUD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          GOOD JOB, KURT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, OKAY. 
          SO NEXT UP IS THE TOURISM PROGRAM. 
          SO, UM, AS YOU ALL REMEMBER, WE HAD A BIG UPDATE IN SEPTEMBER, SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON EVERYTHING THAT YOU HEARD UP UNTIL THAT POINT. 
          AND WE'LL FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THEN. 
          UM, A SLIGHT OVERVIEW, UH, THAT WE LAUNCHED THE TOURISM PROGRAM, EXCLAMATION POINT, AND, UH, WE ARE THE DESTINATION MARKETING AND MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION WITH A OT. 
          UM, WE HIRED A TOURISM COORDINATOR AS YOU KNOW. 
          UM, WE LAUNCHED THE TOURISM DATABASE AND SINCE WE HAVE MET SINCE SEPTEMBER, UM, JAMES HAS GONE IN AND ACTUALLY SCRAPED, UM, UH, ONLINE TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE 520 TOURISM BUSINESSES IN SEDONA. 
          SO YOU DID A TON OF WORK HITTING THE PAVEMENT DID HELP. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO SIGN UP. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WENT AND WE MADE SURE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS INCLUDED AS WELL. 
          SO THOSE ARE IN OUR DATABASE AND THEY'RE PULLING ONTO SCENIC SEDONA, UM, LIKE THEY SHOULD BE. 
          SO ARE WE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE NOT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT HOW, HOW ARE YOU DOING WITH THOSE NUMBERS IN UPTOWN? I, UM, I DON'T HAVE A, IT'S INTERESTING, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A LIST THAT, THAT SAYS THESE ARE ALL OF THE TOURISM BUSINESSES, AND I COULD TELL YOU A PERCENTAGE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE WENT ONLINE AND WE MADE SURE THAT EVERYBODY THAT WE COULD THINK OF AND THAT WE COULD FIND WE PUT IN THERE. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          SO EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WE LAUNCHED SCENIC SEDONA AND THE ACCOMPANYING SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. UM, I'M GONNA TAKE US OUT FOR A SECOND SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT SCENIC SEDONA REAL QUICK. 
          OH, HANG ON. 
          I SEE IT, BUT YOU DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          WOW, GREAT PHOTO. 
          SO I JUST WANNA TAKE A MINUTE AND HIGHLIGHT, UM, WHAT WE WERE GOING FOR HERE. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A REALLY, UM, SIMPLE NAVIGATION. 
          UH, THE WHOLE POINT WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME WEBSITES THAT YOU GO ON AND YOU CLICK THAT NAVIGATION AND THERE'S SO MANY OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANTED OR WHAT YOU DON'T WANT, AND YOU JUST END UP X-ING 
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OUT OF IT. 
          SO WE WANTED TO BE REAL SIMPLE WITH THE STAY, EAT, PLAY SHOP. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A SECTION ON THE TRAVEL INDUSTRY. 
          UM, WE HAVE A SECTION ON STEWARDSHIP, A NEWSLETTER AND BLOG SECTION, UM, EVENTS, SUNNY SEDONA, THAT'S OUR WINTER CAMPAIGN. 
          SO ANY CAMPAIGN THAT WE'RE RUNNING, WE'LL HAVE A SECTION FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN CONTACT, AND THEN I'LL JUST GO OVER A FEW THINGS ON THE HOMEPAGE. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE REALLY WOVEN THROUGH. 
          UH, THIS IS ALL BEFORE OUR BRANDING EXERCISE, SO THIS IS ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD SOMETHING, UM, THAT REPRESENTED US WELL IN THE MEANTIME. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE JUST CAME UP WITH IN-HOUSE WAS SO MUCH TO LOVE, SO MUCH TO CARE FOR. 
          UH, AND THIS IS THAT WHOLE THEME IS, IS IS REALLY, UM, EMBEDDED IN THE WEBSITE. 
          UM, DOWN HERE. 
          UH, WE HAVE A LOVE IT LIKE A LOCAL, SO THAT SAME KIND OF THEME OF HELP US TAKE CARE OF SEDONA. 
          AND THIS IS REALLY, UM, JUST A, A WAY OF, OF, UH, PLUGGING HOW WE WANT PEOPLE TO ACT WHEN THEY'RE HERE, WHERE WE WANT THEM TO GO. 
          UM, WHAT ARE THE BEST HIKING TRAILS IS REALLY A, A WAY TO HIGHLIGHT THE SEDONA SHUTTLE. 
          UM, AND THEN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER HIKING AREAS THAT YOU CAN GET TO, UM, FROM THE SEDONA SHUTTLE, ASIDE FROM DEVIL'S BRIDGE AND CATHEDRAL, WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT, UM, RIDING BIKES IN TOWN, THAT'S A WAY TO, TO SHINE LIGHT ON OUR STEPS PROGRAM. 
          UH, CAN WE BRING OUR DOG TO SEDONA? OF COURSE YOU CAN, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE YOU PICK UP AFTER YOUR PET. 
          YOU KNOW, THESE KINDS OF LEAVE NO TRACE, UM, MESSAGES THAT GET WOVEN THROUGH. 
          UM, HERE'S A MAP. 
          UH, WE HEAR FREQUENTLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CALL IT UPTOWN. 
          WE OF COURSE KNOW THAT THAT MEANS DOWNTOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, HELPING PEOPLE ORIENT THEMSELVES TO THE, TO THE NOMENCLATURE THAT WE USE HERE. 
          UM, AND THEN OUR, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, AGGREGATE PLATFORM THAT, THAT PULLS IN, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          BUT, UH, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED WITH HOW THIS TURNED OUT, UM, AND HOW EASY IT IS TO FIND YOUR WAY AROUND THE SITE. 
          AND I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE AND, AND GIVE YOU THAT UPDATE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE ALSO LAUNCHED OUR SYMPHONY PLATFORM. 
          UM, THAT'S HELPING US MAKE MORE, UM, INFORMED DECISIONS. 
          THERE'S, UH, A TON OF DATA IN THERE, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE INITIALLY IS IDENTIFY FOUR KIND OF USER GROUPS OF THAT DATA. 
          UM, THE FIRST IS THE LODGING COUNCIL, THE SECOND IS THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD. 
          THE THIRD IS CITY COUNCIL, AND THE FOURTH ARE RESIDENTS AT LARGE. 
          AND SO OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, WE'LL BE ROLLING OUT, UM, HOW TO, UH, GET THAT DATA OUT, UH, TO THOSE GROUPS. 
          UH, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WITH THE LODGING COUNCIL BECAUSE, UM, THE CHAMBER DID AND, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW THAT THEY WOULD'VE, THAT THEY WANTED US TO TAKE OVER THAT RESPONSIBILITY IN NOVEMBER. 
          SO WE DID. 
          UM, SO IN ADDITION TO SENDING OUT REPORTS ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE TRADITIONAL REPORTS ON A DR OCCUPANCY, UM, AND ROOM RATE, UM, AND REVPAR, SORRY. 
          UM, WE WERE SENDING THEM THINGS LIKE THE BOOKING PACE, UM, TREND REPORT TO HELP THEM. 
          UM, WE ALSO CHOSE TO SEND THEM THE, UM, CREDIT CARD SPENDING DATA. 
          SO THESE THINGS THAT HOPEFULLY HELP THEM MAKE, UM, BETTER BUSINESS DECISIONS. 
          WE KICKED OFF THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE BRANDING EFFORT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, YOU'VE ALL MET WITH BOTH OF THEM? UH, NO. 
          ACTUALLY, A FEW OF YOU HAD NOT MET WITH GIO QUITE YET, BUT YOU WILL. 
          UM, AND SO, LET'S SEE. 
          THEY STARTED LAST MONTH AND TWO DAYS AGO WE HAD A MEETING. 
          WAS THAT YESTERDAY? WAS THAT YESTERDAY? . 
          WOW. 
          WOW. 
          YESTERDAY WE, WE HAD A MEETING, UM, WITH THE LODGING COUNCIL AND BOTH CORAGGIO AND DVA. 
          UM, SO THAT'S BEEN EXCITING. 
          THEY'RE IN THE RESEARCH PHASE, UM, AND THEY SHOULD BE WRAPPING UP IN JANUARY. 
          UM, CORAGGIO IS DUE TO GIVE US THEIR REPORT IN MARCH TIMEFRAME. 
          UM, AND THEN DVA OF COURSE WILL BE, LET'S SEE, THEY'LL BE WRAPPING UP THEIR BRANDING EFFORT, UM, IN THE SPRING. 
          AND THEN MOVING INTO THE MARKETING PLAN THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF, WE KICKED OFF THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD ON DECEMBER 6TH. 
          UM, WE THINK THAT MEETING WENT REALLY WELL. 
          THAT WAS, UM, MOSTLY JUST TO DO A LISTENING SESSION WITH GIO AND DVA, UM, AND THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD. 
          UH, AND THEN JUST SO THAT, UH, YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, AND HAVE AGREED ON OUR ROLES MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, THEM DEDICATING THEMSELVES TO, UM, PROVIDING BUSINESS SUPPORT AND MARKETING THE BUSINESSES, AND THEN 
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THE CITY, UM, MARKETING AND MANAGING THE DESTINATION. 
          AND THEN WE LAUNCHED THE WINTER CAMPAIGN ON NOVEMBER 15TH. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE, UM, RESULTS FROM THAT YET. 
          I AM ANXIOUSLY AWAITING, AS I'M SURE YOU ARE TOO. 
          BUT, UH, WHEN I HAVE THOSE, I'LL BE REPORTING THOSE BACK. 
          COUNCIL FOLTZ. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR LAUREN, ON THE AGREEMENT ON ROLES MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CHAMBER, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THINGS WITH VISIT SEDONA.COM? CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? ARE THEY GONNA CONTINUE TO OWN UPDATE, UH, TO THE SAME IN THEORY EXTENT THAT IT WAS OR HAS BEEN SO THAT IT, IN SOME WAYS IS A POTENTIALLY COMPETING SITE OR CAUSE CONFUSION FOR, UH, VISITORS? UH, I MEAN, DO THEY STILL SAY THEY'RE THE OFFICIAL  ORGANIZATION, YOU KNOW, DESTINATION MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION OR, YOU KNOW, WHERE WERE WE WITH THAT? SO THEY'VE, THEY HAVE, UM, AGREED TO, TO GIVE THAT DESIGNATION OVER TO US. 
          UM, AND THEY WERE GRACIOUS IN THAT, UM, AND HAVE IN TURN ALSO, UM, MADE THAT LINK BETWEEN THE ARIZONA OFFICE OF TOURISM WITH THAT MADE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE, THAT INFORMATION AND THOSE LEADS ARE COMING TO US RATHER THAN THEM. 
          UM, BUT WITH THE WEBSITE, IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF A WAIT AND SEE. 
          THEY'RE DEFINITELY STILL KEEPING VISITS. 
          SEDONA, THEY'RE GOING TO REPRESENT THEIR BUSINESSES ON THERE. 
          UM, THEY'RE GOING TO MARKET ON THERE. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO MARKET WITH THEIR BUSINESSES. 
          UM, I'M REALLY WAITING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY THAT MEANS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO CREATE OVERLAP. 
          BUT IS IT GOING TO BE CONFUSING? I THINK SO. 
          I THINK THAT'S JUST NATURAL. 
          UM, AND WHAT I'M FOCUSED ON IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE DO THE BEST JOB WE CAN AND MAKING THE, THE BEST WEBSITE WE CAN WITH A, WITH A REALLY CERTAIN BRAND THAT WE HAVE RESIDENT BUY-IN WITH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, AND THE BUSINESS, BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE AWKWARD FOR, FOR A WHILE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO JUST TO TAG OFF OF, UH, BRIAN, ARE THEY STILL GONNA CONSIDER, CALL THEMSELVES THE, THE OFFICIAL TOURISM BUREAU OR WHATEVER THEY WERE CALLING BASED, CONTINUE TO DO THAT? UM, THEY HAVE NOT DROPPED THE TOURISM BUREAU PART OF THEIR NAME. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M GOING TO PUSH. 
          I THINK EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO, TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THEM, AND I KNOW THIS IS A TRANSITION FOR THEM JUST AS MUCH AS IT IS FOR US. 
          SURE. 
          UM, AND SO I'M, I'M, I'M FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP STAYS WHOLE AND IN, IN THEIR TIME. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU, KATHY. 
          IT'S JUST CLEAR, UM, HOW HUGE OF AN UNDERTAKING THIS HAS BEEN. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO, AGAIN, JUST RECOGNIZE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, KAREN KEEGAN, UH, ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF IT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, IT'S JUST BEEN, I THINK, SO IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO TAKE THIS ON AS IN-HOUSE AND DEVELOP THIS WAY AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN A SHORT TIME HAS BEEN REMARKABLE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I WANNA SAY THAT I'M EXCITED. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THE CHAMBER, THE WAY THAT IT IS SET UP INNATELY WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME WITH SOME OF THE MANAGEMENT ASPECTS OF, ESPECIALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING IN THIS CLIMATE OF THINGS OF, OF TAKING ON THINGS LIKE, LIKE TRASH AND HOUSING AND, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE TRANSIT, THESE REALLY BIG TICKET ITEMS. AND I THINK THE CITY IS ACTUALLY WELL POSITIONED TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY PLUGGED INTO THAT. 
          SO I'M EXCITED THAT, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN START TO LEVERAGE THAT AND, AND WORK THAT ALL TOGETHER. 
          SO THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ONE THING I JUST WANT TO ADD IS THAT YOU MENTIONED THE CHAMBER AND YOU WORKING TOGETHER, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT THE LODGING COUNCIL, CHERYL BARRON, HAS MADE A COMMITMENT AS WELL THAT EACH OF US SHOULD HAVE OUR OWN LANE STAYING IN THE LANE. 
          AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD COMMITMENT, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT AS WELL. 
          AND WE NEED TO ALL WORK TOGETHER. 
          IT'S ALL FOR A BETTER COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU CONTINUING TO DO, UH, TO DO THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          GOOD. 
          OH, VICE MAYOR, HOW ARE YOU GONNA MEASURE THE SUCCESS OF THE WINTER CAMPAIGN? UM, SO IT'S, IT'S VERY TIED TO EXACTLY WHO SAW THAT AD AND IN WHAT CITY THAT THEY SAW IT IN, AND THEN DID THEY END UP IN MARKET 
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AND HOW LONG DID THEY STAY FOR? SO, UM, I PLANNED TO, TO MEASURE THAT PRETTY EXACTLY. 
          UM, AT LEAST FOR THIS FIRST ONE, I REALLY, I FELT LIKE THIS WAS A PROVING GROUND, UM, TO SHOW THAT, THAT WE CAN DO MARKETING THAT IS VERY TARGETED STRATEGIC AND CAN SHOW IF THEY ACTUALLY GIVE US THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, AND THEN USE THAT AS A SPRINGBOARD FOR, FOR HOW WE CAN EXPAND ON THAT GOING FORWARD. 
          SO THE ADS ALREADY OUT IN THE MARKET. 
          YES. 
          BUT DID THEY GO OUT NOVEMBER 15TH? CAN I FOLLOW UP ON THAT PLEASE? AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE END OF THAT SEASON THAT, AND WHEN WILL YOU HAVE THE DATA FOR ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF WHO ENDED UP IN MARKET? LIKE WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME OF HOW THAT, WHEN WE KNOW? RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT, UM, WHAT I KNEW THAT I NEEDED TO, TO MAKE SURE IN STANDBY WAS THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO INTENTIONALLY BRING PEOPLE HERE IN THE SPRING. 
          SO THE DRIVE MARKETS WILL STOP, THE ADVERTISING WILL STOP ON FEBRUARY 15TH, AND THE FLY MARKETS WILL STOP ON FEBRUARY 1ST. 
          I KNOW THAT PROBABLY SOUNDS TIGHT, BUT WE ARE SEEING THAT THE BOOKING WINDOW KEEPS GETTING SHORTER AND SHORTER. 
          I'M TALKING SOMETIMES TWO TO FOUR WEEKS FROM EVEN A PLACE LIKE CHICAGO OR NEW YORK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEN HOW LONG AFTER YOU'LL HAVE THE DATA? I MEAN, I'LL GET A LOOK INTO IT, UH, THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY. 
          OH, WOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY GET A, A FINAL, FINAL REPORT. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          PROBABLY, UM, MARCH 1ST. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. 
          JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, LAUREN, WILL WE BE TRYING TO TRACK ANY OF THESE PEOPLE INTO THE SUMMER TO SEE IF THEY DID SHOW UP IN THE SUMMER WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO GET 'EM IN THE SPRING WINTER? I CAN ASK ABOUT THAT AT THE MOMENT. 
          I HAVE IT TO TRACK ONLY DURING THIS, WHEN THIS CAMPAIGN IS RUNNING, BUT I'LL ASK TO SEE IF IT CAN BE EXTENDED. 
          I KNOW WITH A DIFFERENT CAMPAIGN THAT WE'RE USING, UM, THROUGH AN A OT CO-OP OPPORTUNITY THAT WE SIGNED UP FOR, UM, IT TRACKS FOR I BELIEVE, NINE MONTHS AFTERWARDS IF THEY SHOW UP, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MARKETING IS KIND OF, UM, NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE IN THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO SEE IT BEFORE YOU FINALLY CLICK BOOK AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA GO, SO I, I WAS AT THE LODGING COUNCIL MEETING AND I THOUGHT THAT, SO GIO AND AND DVA WERE THERE. 
          I THOUGHT THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. 
          AND I FELT LIKE THE LODGING COUNCIL PARTICIPANTS OPENED UP. 
          THEY STARTED OUT, THEY DID, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THERE, STARTED OUT A LITTLE CAUTIOUS MM-HMM. 
          BUT AS IT STARTED TO GET, YOU KNOW, MORE INVOLVED IN THE QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THERE WAS MORE OF A TRUST FACTOR STARTED TO BUILD MM-HMM. 
          THEY, UH, WERE, WERE VERY HAPPY. 
          I THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY ENGAGED, GAUGED IS A BETTER WORD THAN HAPPY. 
          AND, UH, AND I THINK THAT, THAT THEY WERE FEELING MORE CONFIDENT THAT WHAT WE WERE DOING REALLY WAS GONNA HELP THEM. 
          AND IT WAS REAL AND SUBSTANTIAL. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK EVERY UM, EVERY DAY, EVERY MEETING, EVERY PHONE CALL, EVERY EMAIL THAT WE TAKE FROM THEM BUILDS BUILDS THAT TRUST WITH THEM. 
          I THINK WHAT WAS NICE ALSO, IF YOU NOTICE THAT ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE WAS MICHELLE. 
          WAS MICHELLE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SHE WAS VERY ELOQUENT. 
          SHE WAS VERY, IT REALLY VERY, UH, IMPACTFUL TO THE MEMBERS THERE. 
          AND THAT OPENED THE WINDOW AND I APPRECIATED HER DOING THAT. 
          AND IT, THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND YOU ARE WORKING TOGETHER BECAUSE SHE'S OBVIOUSLY MAKING THAT, UH, STEP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SHE IS ON THE LIST OF STAKEHOLDERS FOR KARAO TO HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE WITH AS WELL, SO SHE'LL GET MORE TIME TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I DID WANT TO ASK YOU BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT SECTION ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE DATA, UH, THAT WE, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT DURING YOUR LAST PRESENTATION. 
          ONE WAS THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE COMING AND CREDIT CARD INFORMATION. 
          WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA START TO GET SOME OF THAT DATA? WE MAY NOT BE COMPLETE FOR A WHOLE YEAR, BUT WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU'LL GET SOME? SO WE HAVE THE CREDIT CARD SPENDING INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, AND I GET IT MONTHLY. 
          UM, AND WHAT IS REALLY CRITICAL ABOUT THAT IS THAT IT'S IN MARKET SPEND. 
          SO IT IS NOT, UM, REPRESENTATIVE OF PEOPLE WHO, FOR EXAMPLE, BOOK HOTEL ROOMS AT THEIR HOME, WHICH IS MOST OF US. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT I HAVE THAT DATA RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND IT IS AVAILABLE NOW WITH THE VISITATION NUMBERS. 
          WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DIAL IT IN. 
          I THINK EVERY TIME WE, WHEN WE DO THIS IN 
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OUR, IN OUR SIM MEETINGS AS WELL, WE TAKE SOMETHING AND THEN WE TRY AND POKE AS MANY HOLES AS WE CAN BEFORE WE KIND OF RELEASE IT INTO THE WILD, INTO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND SO WE'RE POKING HOLES IN IT RIGHT NOW, UM, AND WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT TO SAY, OKAY, WELL YOU'RE CLASSIFYING IT LIKE THIS, HOW ABOUT LIKE THAT? AND, AND REALLY WORKING SO THAT BY THE TIME WE ACTUALLY COMMIT TO SOMETHING, WE CAN FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT AND, AND DEFEND THAT NUMBER. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FISCAL YEAR ARE TO HIRE A MANAGER AND ANOTHER COORDINATOR. 
          UM, THOSE WILL BE GOING OUT SOON. 
          I JUST NEED TO WRITE THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS. 
          UM, AND WE WILL BE EXECUTING THE A OT MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, IN OUR LAST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, KEEGAN HAD A SLIDE AND WENT OVER ALL OF THE, UM, MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE SIGNED UP FOR WITH A OT THAT IS A, A ONE-TO-ONE MATCH. 
          UM, AND SO WE SIGNED UP FOR, LET'S SEE HERE, 33, YEAH. 
          $33,000, UM, IN MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES WITH A OT. 
          AND THEN THEY MATCH THAT. 
          SO WE'LL BE EXECUTING THOSE. 
          UM, WE WILL BE ASSESSING THE NEXT, NEXT STEPS ON THE SUSTAINABLE TOURISM PLAN. 
          THIS IS KIND OF, UM, SOMETHING THAT FEELS A LITTLE BIT NON-COMMITTAL, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT IS ON MY MIND. 
          UH, WHEN WE GET THE STRATEGIC PLAN FROM CARIO, UM, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF COMPARE AND CONTRAST, UM, HOW IT RELATES TO OUR SUSTAINABLE TOURISM PLAN. 
          AND THEN START TO EVALUATE, OKAY, ARE WE GONNA, ARE WE GONNA DO A WHOLESALE CHANGE IN OUR SUSTAINABLE TOURISM PLAN? ARE WE GONNA KEEP WHAT'S IN HERE AND MAYBE MODIFY IT? BUT, YOU KNOW, NEXT STEPS WILL, WILL BE IN MY BRAIN AS WE GET THAT STRATEGIC PLAN FROM RAGIO. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO COMPLETE THE BRANDING EFFORT, UM, AND DVA WILL BRING THAT BACK TO ME, AND THEN YOU OF COURSE, AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN THE DESTINATION MARKETING PLAN TO HELP DIAL IN WHAT IS THAT MARKETING STRATEGY GOING FORWARD? UM, SO BE WORKING WITH DVA ON THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE, I THINK WE'LL HAVE THE PLAN, UM, COMPLETE BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT WE WON'T HAVE A SUMMER DESTINATION MARKETING CAMPAIGN THAT WAS CREATED BY DBA. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT BE KIND OF A, AN OFFSHOOT THAT MIGHT BE GETTING US, UM, BLESS YOU KIND OF TO THAT STOP GAP, KIND OF LIKE I'M DOING WITH THE WINTER CAMPAIGN. 
          UM, BUT JUST WITH THE TIMING OF WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED AND THE RESEARCH AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO COLLECT AND PUT TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND THE TIMING OF WHEN I WOULD NEED TO BRING YOU A SUMMER CAMPAIGN IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FROM A TIMELINE STANDPOINT. 
          UM, THAT IT MIGHT NEED TO BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF AN OFFSHOOT AGAIN, LIKE THE WINTER CAMPAIGN LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, AN OFFSHOOT YOU WOULD DO IT IN HOUSE LIKE YOU DID BEFORE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          LIKE I IMAGINE I'M, I'M GETTING, I'M GETTING THEMES FROM DVA ON THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING. 
          AND THEN IN-HOUSE WE CAN KIND OF ALL TALK ABOUT, OKAY, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE OFFICIAL DESTINATION MARKETING PLAN AND WE DON'T HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE CREATIVE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE AD CREATION BY DVA, UM, THEN WHAT CAN WE DO IN-HOUSE TO GET US CLOSE ENOUGH SO THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING MORE OFFICIAL AND FORMALIZED WHEN WE HAVE EVERYTHING BUTTONED UP. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA MISS THE WINDOW FOR SUMMER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IN A PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD'VE HAD THAT CONTRACT EXECUTED JULY ONE, AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
          IT GOT EXECUTED IN SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME. 
          SO, DOING THE BEST WE CAN THOUGH. 
          AND YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT, UM, IS THE, THE THINGS ON OUR PLATE THAT WE'RE ENVISIONING IS NEW FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. 
          UM, SO CLEARLY I WANNA KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          UM, I AM PLANNING ON ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 200,000 IN DESTINATION MARKETING FUNDS. 
          UM, THIS WILL BE ADDED TO WHAT'S LOOKING LIKE $150,000 THAT I HAVE IN MY CURRENT BUDGET TO EQUAL $350,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          THIS IS ON PAR WITH WHAT THE CHAMBER ASKED FOR IN FISCAL YEARS 18, 19 AND 20, WHAT I KIND OF CONSIDER THE LAST YEARS IN WHICH DESTINATION MARKETING WAS, UM, REALLY, UH, CONSIDERED. 
          THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE $500,000 RANGE IN THEIR BUDGET, BUT, UM, THEIRS INCLUDED THE CREATIVE, SO THAT AD CREATION. 
          UM, AND WHEREAS MINE, I'M, I'M THINKING OF IT AS SEPARATE MOSTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A REALLY TALENTED GRAPHIC DESIGNER ON OUR STAFF, AND I'M ALWAYS WANTING TO BE EFFICIENT, 
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UM, WITH OUR RESOURCES AND WITH OUR MONEY. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN DO SOME OF THAT, UM, CREATION IN-HOUSE RATHER THAN DOING ALL THE CREATIVE OUT OF HOUSE, THEN I WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          BUT I DID BREAK IT UP IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, BUT WHEN I TALKED WITH JENNIFER, THAT 500,000 THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR DID INCLUDE, UM, THE CREATIVE. 
          SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, IT'S OBVIOUSLY TOO EARLY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ANY OF THAT MARKETING WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT IT WILL BE A BYPRODUCT OF THE BRANDING AND MARKETING PLANNING EFFORTS WITH DVA. 
          UM, AND IT COULD ALSO INCLUDE A HEAVY FOCUS ON THE MANAGEMENT MESSAGE VERSUS THE MARKETING MESSAGE. 
          IF YOU'RE A MANAGEMENT MESSAGE, IS, IS GOING TO BY DEFAULT BE MARKETING, BUT IT WILL BE, IT COULD BE SHOULD BE. 
          IF YOU ASK ME MANAGEMENT FOCUSED, UM, THEN I'M ALSO PLANNING ON ASKING FOR TWO MORE COORDINATOR LEVEL POSITIONS. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE HARD TO PREDICT THE WORKLOAD AS WE'RE GOING ALONG BECAUSE IN SOME SENSE, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW QUITE YET. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LEANING A LOT ON HEATHER HERMAN, UM, FOR SOME OF HER WORK WITH A OT, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE TRAVEL TRADE SIDE. 
          UM, AND EVEN IN THE MEDIA RELATIONS SIDE. 
          SO AS WE SORT OUT THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AND ROLES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE THE STAFF AS THE WORKLOAD BECOMES CLEAR IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          JESSICA, HOLD ON ONE SECOND, JESSICA. 
          SO YOU'RE HIRING A MANAGER AND ONE COORDINATOR, THIS IS FOR TWO ADDITIONAL COORDINATORS. 
          HOW MANY STAFF DO YOU EXPECT, UM, TO HAVE IN THIS TOURISM BUREAU? SO YOU'RE GONNA START WITH JUST THE MANAGER AND A COORDINATOR IS OKAY. 
          AND I, SO START WITH TWO PLUS. 
          I, I WOULD WITH, WITH THE MANAGER, THE COORDINATOR AND TWO COORDINATORS AND NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          LET'S BACK IT UP. 
           COORDINATOR THAT WE'VE ALREADY HIRED, MANAGER THAT I'M GOING TO GO OUT FOR SOON. 
          COORDINATOR THAT I'M GOING TO GO OUT FOR SOON. 
          AND THEN TWO COORDINATORS, I SEE THAT AS A FULL STAFF FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE JAMES WHO IS SOLELY FOCUSED ON TOURISM AND OBVIOUSLY THE TOURISM MANAGER WILL BE SOLELY FOCUSED ON TOURISM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT GOING FORWARD, I GUESS I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR SURE. 
          BUT THE WAY THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT THEM IS A SPLIT. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S TAKE ROB, ROB DOES, DOES PROBABLY HALF OF EVERYTHING HE DOES, HE DOES ON THE CITY SIDE, AND HE ALSO DOES IT ON THE TOURISM SIDE. 
          AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF US, MYSELF INCLUDED, KEEGAN INCLUDED, UM, WHO ARE KIND OF SPLIT BETWEEN THOSE BECAUSE IT'S JUST EFFICIENT TO, TO DO IT THAT WAY RATHER THAN TO SILO US IN THOSE ROLES. 
          SO, SO DO YOU HAVE FIVE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THEN IN ADDITION TO YOU, KEEGAN AND JAMES? YES. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU I GOTTA DO THAT MATH. 
          YES. 
          AND BASICALLY THE NEW DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE COMMUNICATIONS, TOURISM, AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES. 
          NOW ADMITTEDLY, ECONOMIC INITIATIVES IS GOING TO BE A SMALLER PIECE. 
          IN FACT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CHAMBER ON IS TO GET THEM MORE DOING THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, RETENTION EXPANSION, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT FORMERLY OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WAS DOING. 
          BUT THERE WILL BE STILL SOME REGIONAL COORDINATION ROLES ON THE ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION SIDE OF THINGS. 
          THAT WILL BE SOME PORTION OF THIS TOTAL DEPARTMENT THAT WILL DO BOTH OF THESE THINGS. 
          LIKE LAUREN SAID, THERE IS SO MUCH CROSSOVER WITH COMMUNICATIONS MARKETING, WEB SITE, AND NOW WITH BOTH WEBSITES THAT IT, IT JUST MADE SENSE FOR US TO STRUCTURE IT THIS WAY. 
          SO IT'S THREE EXISTING EMPLOYEES AND THEN THE BUILD OUT WILL BE FIVE MORE. 
          HI, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTION VICE MAYOR. 
          IT'S PROBABLY TOO EARLY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE CHA THE BUDGET WE GAVE TO THE CHAMBER AS THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH? YES. 
          SO WHEN LAUREN SAYS SHE'S LOOKING TO ADD A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE, THAT'S THE 1.67 MILLION THAT WAS THE CHAMBER BUDGET, PLUS WHAT WILL BE A DECISION PACKAGE WITH THE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS AND THE ADDITIONAL TWO COORDINATORS. 
          NOW, RIGHT NOW THAT $1.67 MILLION INCLUDES THE $424,000 
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THAT'S ALLOCATED FOR THE VISITOR CENTER, WHICH I THINK IS, MIGHT BE A NICE SEGUE INTO TALKING ABOUT WHAT I JUST GONNA ASK YOU THAT QUESTION  WITH THAT, UM, NEXT YEAR. 
          AND IT ALSO INCLUDED SOME STARTUP, SOME ONETIME STARTUP COSTS, LIKE FOR THE WEBSITE AND ALL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO THAT WAS FACTORED IN. 
          SO WHEN LAUREN FACTORED THIS, THE ONE TIME STARTUP FOR OUR KINLEY HORN CONTRACT, THE CORAGGIO CONTRACT, SOME OF THOSE INITIAL EXPENSES HAVE BEEN BACKED OUT. 
          AND THAT'S THE DELTA. 
          SHE'S SAYING WE COULD SPEND $350,000 IN TOTAL, A HUNDRED OF 150 THOUSAND'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THE ADDITIONAL SHE'D BE ASKING FOR IS 200, AND THE MARKETING PIECE HAS BEEN A WILD CARD THIS WHOLE YEAR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AS I'M GOING ALONG, AGAIN, BACK TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M FIGURING OUT WHAT DOES THIS DEPARTMENT TAKE AND, AND WHAT BILLS ARE GONNA HIT WHEN, AND IT'S LOOKING LIKE ABOUT $150,000 FOR MARKETING THIS YEAR, WHICH IS WHY I'M ASKING FOR 200 MORE NEXT YEAR. 
          BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, THIS TOPIC, GIVEN ITS SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE COMMUNITY OVERALL, UH, WOULD WE EXPECT TO SEE AN UPDATE ON IT, UM, EARLY SPRING MAYBE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? LIKE I, I WOULD REALLY NOT WANT TO SEE KIND OF THE NEXT UPDATE AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROPOSAL, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND IN FACT, I THINK THAT IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT SEVERAL TIMES. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT WITH THE CORAGGIO FINAL REPORT. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT WITH THE BRANDING. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT WHEN WE GET THE MEASURABLES, UM, FROM THE WINTER CAMPAIGN. 
          SO YEAH, THERE ARE GONNA BE NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TO COME BACK AND, AND CONNECT WITH COUNCIL WITH UPDATES ON WHAT, WHERE WE ARE. 
          I, I, THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND, AND WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT IS MORE AROUND JUST THE EXPECTATIONS BUILDING TOWARDS WHAT ARE WE GONNA SEE WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET REQUEST FOR FY 25. 
          LIKE, SO, I MEAN, THERE ARE NO OTHER SPECIFIC, UM, I THINK CHECK-INS RELATIVE TO BUDGET. 
          SO ASSUMING THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER ALL OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF A-D-M-M-O, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WE NEED FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          THIS IS OUR SORT OF BUDGET PLANNING SESSION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU NEED SOME ADDITIONAL SORT OF METRICS OR DISCUSSION TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE ADDITIONAL $200,000 TO, TO RESUME MARKETING INTO NEXT YEAR AND THE TWO COORDINATORS ARE NECESSARY, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO SET SOMETHING SEPARATE UP. 
          OTHERWISE YOU WILL SEE IT IN THE FORM OF A DECISION PACKAGE DURING THE BUDGET WORK SESSIONS IN APRIL. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR, I, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          WELL TIME HERE. 
          SO IT'S NEXT. 
          YES, IT'S NEXT. 
          SO YOU CAN TEAM ME RIGHT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO LAST, WE'RE ASKING TODAY FOR DIRECTION ON THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          UM, WE AREN'T CURRENTLY LOOKING TO RENEW THE CONTRACT, BUT PENDING DIRECTION FROM YOU TODAY THAT CAN CHANGE. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY FUNDING $424,000, WHICH IS 80% OF THE DIRECT COSTS OF $461,000 AND 80% OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD FEES OF $69,150. 
          THE CHAMBER IS STILL ASSESSING IF THEY CAN PAY THEIR 20% CONTRIBUTION FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          BUT EARLY INDICATIONS ARE TELLING US THAT WE SHOULD ASSUME THAT ANSWER IS NO. 
          THEY ARE REPORTING SLIGHTLY BEHIND THEIR Q1 GOALS FOR IN-PERSON VISITORS AND EMAIL AND PHONE ASSISTANCE. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE IT UP IN THE SPRING. 
          YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER FROM THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ON THE VISITOR CENTER THAT THE MONTHLY, THAT THE MOSTLY VOLUNTEER BASED OPERATION SERVES ABOUT 150,000 WALK-INS A YEAR WITH 7,500 CALLS AND EMAILS BASED ON ESTIMATED TOTAL VISITATION OF 3.2 MILLION ANNUAL VISITORS. 
          THE VISITOR CENTER SERVES APPROXIMATELY 4.6% OF THE IN-PERSON, SEDONA VISITATION. 
          AS A PART OF OUR EFFORTS WITH DVA, WE'VE PLACED A QUESTION ABOUT IF AS A VISITOR YOU USE VISITOR CENTERS WHEN YOU TRAVEL. 
          THIS IS INCLUDED IN THE VISITOR INTERCEPT SURVEY THAT WE ARE COMPLETING WITH VISITORS HERE IN SEDONA AND ALSO IN THE AWARENESS AND PERCEPTION SURVEY WHERE WE ASK PEOPLE NATIONALLY ABOUT THEIR TRAVEL PERCEPTIONS AND AWARENESS OF SEDONA. 
          I SHOULD HAVE THESE RESULTS IN JANUARY, AND AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSIONS AND QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S MY LEFT. 
          I PASS. 
          OKAY. 
          KATHY? 
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I'M GOOD. 
          NOT YET. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT YET TODAY, OR NOT YET? UNTIL, NOT YET THIS CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          VOICEMAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GO FOR IT. 
          . 
          PERSONALLY, I WOULD NOT INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR THE EXTRA 20% THAT THE CHAMBER WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PAY. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT'S AFFORDABILITY ISSUE. 
          I, I GO BACK TO LAST YEAR WE SAID IT WAS GONNA BE FOR ONE YEAR AS A TRANSITION, IT 4.6% AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S EVEN LESS NOW, BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE A HIGHER VISITATION RATE IN THE SPRING. 
          THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE GOALS LAST YEAR EITHER. 
          I, AS I RECALL, I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING AS VISITORS AND, UH, TO INCREASE IT BY ANOTHER 20%. 
          I CAN'T SEE DOING THAT, FRANKLY. 
          IT'S MY OPINION. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU, WE DOING OPINIONS OR QUESTIONS? OH, IT SHOULD BE QUESTIONS, BUT, WELL, IS IT QUESTIONS THERE? THERE'S NO QUESTION THERE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S OKAY. 
          SO IT HAS OPINION, THAT'S FINE TOO. 
          SO, UH, BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE BOTH, BUT WE'LL, LISTEN, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE I STAND ON THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          UM, I THINK IT DOESN'T SERVE, UM, A PREDOMINANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          UM, MY QUESTION TO THEM LAST YEAR WAS, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY COMING IN TO USE THE RESTROOMS VERSUS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY COMING IN TO SORT OF USE A VISITOR CENTER? BECAUSE IF IT'S RESTROOMS, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THAN PAYING FOR AN ENTIRE VISITOR CENTER TO, I BELIEVE IT WAS COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON EARLIER ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC AROUND PHONES AND, UM, BEING ABLE TO USE COMPUTERS. 
          UM, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE USE ANYMORE. 
          PEOPLE USE THEIR ELECTRONIC DEVICES. 
          THEY DO A LOT OF SCOPING ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO PRIOR, WE EVEN HEARD THIS IN THE TAB INTERVIEWS ABOUT THE FACT THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY SCOPING OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND WHERE THEY WANNA GO. 
          WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON MOBILE DEVICES. 
          UM, SPECIFIC TO SEDONA ABOUT ATTRACTIONS IN SEDONA, ABOUT THE TRAILS IN SEDONA, ABOUT DOING A HISTORY WALK USING YOUR, YOUR MOBILE DEVICE IN SEDONA. 
          UM, I THINK THAT VISITOR CENTERS ARE JUST AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY CONCEIVED AS THIS ONE IS CURRENTLY CONCEIVED, UM, THEY'RE GOING BY THE WAYSIDE. 
          AND IF WE WANNA PUT COOL LITTLE KIOSKS ABOUT WHERE SHOULD I GO GET SOMETHING TO EAT, WHICH ARE REFLECTIVE OF OUR WEBSITE, BASICALLY WE WANNA PUT THEM UP BY, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE PARKING OR AT TRAILHEAD OR AT THE SHUTTLE STATIONS. 
          IF WE WANNA TRY AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO OVER TO THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM, UM, AND, AND SORT OF LOOK AROUND THERE AND THEN FIND OUT WHERE TO GO FROM THERE. 
          IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S REALLY MORE WHERE WE SHOULD BE HEADED THAN, THAN FUNDING SOMETHING THAT, AND IT WOULD PROBABLY COST US LESS, UM, THAN FUNDING THIS WHERE WE HAVE SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF, UM, OUR VISITORS GOING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THAT DAY TRIPPERS IN PARTICULAR ARE USING THIS. 
          WE KNOW OUR DAY TRIPPERS, FOR THE MOST PART ARE LOCAL, UM, MEANING PHOENIX, FLAGSTAFF, AND THEY PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THE AREA AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO USE THAT EITHER. 
          SO I MEAN, AGAIN, MY OPINION IS THAT A VISITOR CENTER AS CURRENTLY CONCEIVED IN IN THIS CONVERSATION IS JUST, UM, NOT AS RELEVANT AS IT WAS. 
          AND EVERY YEAR I THINK IT BECOMES LESS RELEVANT AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE OUR PEOPLE ARE AND HOW WE ACTUALLY APPROACH THEM, WHICH IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY DOING AND YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OF IT. 
          UM, SO PERSONALLY I WOULDN'T SPEND THE MONEY HERE. 
          I WOULD LET YOU GUYS SPEND THE MONEY WHERE YOU THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATELY USED. 
          BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, I FELT LIKE WE HAD A GUN TO OUR HEAD GOING INTO THIS FISCAL YEAR OF, YOU KNOW, SURPRISE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FRIENDS ANYMORE WITH THE CHAMBER AND IF YOU DON'T COUGH UP FUNDS, WE'RE CLOSING THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT A MAJOR PROPONENT OF THE VISITOR CENTER BEFORE THAT HAPPENED, BUT, UM, I WENT ALONG WITH IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO EVALUATE ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND TO ME, NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THAT TIME, UM, OF FINDING OUT 
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WE WERE GONNA GET STUCK WITH THIS, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, TO CONVINCE US THAT THERE IS GREATER VALUE IN THE, UM, THE PROVISION OF THOSE SERVICES. 
          SO I WAS SKEPTICAL AS A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED. 
          UM, NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US TO PROVIDE A A, A CHANGE OF OPINION IN MY MIND, UH, SINCE THEN. 
          SO UNLESS SOMETHING MIRACULOUS COMES ALONG THROUGH ANY OF THE UPCOMING, UH, THE ONGOING RESEARCH, LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SOME RESULTS, WHAT IN JANUARY MAYBE, THAT ARE GONNA TELL US IF PEOPLE THINK THAT VISITOR CENTERS ARE USEFUL OR NOT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, ABSENT SOME KIND OF HAIL MARY KIND OF DATA THAT WOULD COME IN, I THINK IT'S TIME ABSOLUTELY. 
          TO MOVE ON TO TECHNOLOGY. 
          UM, AND I WOULD, I ACTUALLY, I WOULD BE PRETTY HARD PRESSED TO, TO THINK THAT WE SHOULD STICK WITH IT, EVEN IF THE DATA COMES BACK, UM, SAYING THAT MORE THAN 4.6% WOULD VALUE IT. 
          I KIND OF DOUBT THAT'S THE CASE. 
          SO, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I AM IN THE SAME CAMP AS THE VICE MAYOR AND COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I I I GAVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          I'LL GET GET BACK TO YOU NOW. 
          I'M GONNA GO AND THEN YOU CAN GO. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO ASK. 
          UM, AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S OPINION HERE. 
          UM, I SUPPORTED IT BEFORE, UH, BUT I HAVE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS WHETHER I WOULD SUPPORT IT MOVING FORWARD. 
          JUST THOSE RESTROOMS GO AWAY. 
          ARE WE PREPARED TO DO SOMETHING? SURE. 
          I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS NO UNTIL THE PARKING GARAGE, IF, IF THE FUNDING MOVES FORWARD, UH, THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD HAVE RESTROOMS. IS THAT MY, IS THAT THE PLAN? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO PAY FOR BATHROOMS. I'M NOT LOOKING AT, I I GET ALL THAT. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE THINGS IN ADDITION TO WHICH I'M GONNA GET TO MY OPINION OF THE OTHER BENEFITS. 
          BUT WE NEED A BATHROOM. 
          WE HAVE NOTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF 89 9 THAT I KNOW OF, UH, FOR BATHROOMS. YOU SAID, LAUREN, HOW MANY PHONE CALLS DO THEY GET A YEAR THAT THEY'RE ANSWERING? UH, 7,500 CALLS AND EMAILS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHERE WOULD THOSE GO? THREE PEOPLE WOULD CALL, THEY WOULD GET A DISCONNECTED NUMBER, UH, ASSUMING OR DO WE HAVE STAFF IN PLACE WITH, WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO PUT INTO THESE POSITIONS? WOULD THEY BE THERE TO SIT BY THEIR PHONES, ANSWER THE CALLS EVERY DAY? I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD WORK, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET, MAKE A PHONE CALL AND GET NOTHING. 
          TO ME, THAT'S NOT GOOD PUBLIC RELATIONS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ANSWER THAT. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH MICHELLE WAS THAT WE'RE SENDING THE CALLS TO THE VISITOR CENTER THAT WE'RE PAYING THE LION'S SHARE FOR. 
          UM, AND SO WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD. 
          RIGHT? SO IF THEY, IF THEY WANNA TURN, YOU KNOW, WE PAY FOR TRANSFER, PERMANENT TRANSFER TO ONE OF THE NUMBERS YOU COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THAT IS KAREN WANTS TO SAY. 
          SO YEAH, PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, AS THE TOURISM BUREAU, THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WE'RE GONNA BE THE CONTACT POINT ON SCENIC SEDONA AS THAT GETS MORE TRACTION, RIGHT. 
          AND, AND WE'RE THE OFFICIAL TOURISM BUREAU. 
          THOSE CALLS ARE GONNA COME TO US, THE CALLS AND THE EMAILS ARE GOING TO COME WITH US, UH, COME TO US. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE NEED STAFF FOR A TOURISM BUREAU. 
          SO I THINK THAT THE CALLS AND EMAILS, WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THOSE NUMBERS DECLINE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH MORE OF AVAILABLE INFORMATION ONLINE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET ANSWERS TO THEIR QUESTIONS. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE THAT BE KIND OF THE FIRST LINE OF INFORMATION TO, SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO CALL AN EMAIL. 
          BUT IF THEY DO AND THEY WILL, THEN WE WILL BE THE RECIPIENTS OF THAT. 
          OKAY, I KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT I TRUST YOU. 
          SO, UM, THEN THE OTHER THING WHICH IS, I HAD THIS ISSUE LAST TIME WAS IF WE ARE PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE FEE, RENTING IT FROM THEM, BUT HIRING THEM, AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED, THAT THEIR STAFF, THEIR VOLUNTEERS AND THEIR MANAGEMENT, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE THE CITY OF SEDONA VISITOR CENTER WOULD NO LONGER BE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE VISIT CENTER. 
          WOULD THAT BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT IF WE ARE PAYING A, IF WE GO TO PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT MM-HMM. 
           WOULD IT STILL, RIGHT? WOULD IT STILL BE CONSIDERED? WELL, WE WERE PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR DECADES AND IT WAS NOT THE, BUT NOW IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. 
          SO NOW MOVING FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY UP TO, TO THEM WHETHER, 
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YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE PART OF A NEGOTIATION OF, UH, A SERVICE CONTRACT WITH THEM IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN. 
          BUT WE HAVE NO GUARANTEES HOW THEIR BOARD WOULD RESPOND TO THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OR, OR AT THIS POINT, IF THEIR BOARD IS EVEN INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THE CONTRACT PAST JULY 30TH. 
          WELL, I CAN USE THESE QUESTIONS AS MY WAY OF THINKING FOR MYSELF OF WHAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTING. 
          SO THEY WOULD BE BRANDED AS WHATEVER BRANDING YOU COME UP WITH AS THE CITY OF SEDONA AS A CENT, AND WE'D BE PAYING THEM AND WHATEVER IF, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT IF WE WERE TO PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT, IT WOULD NOT BE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE VISIT CENTER ANYMORE. 
          WE'D BE PAYING THEM AS A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, I GUESS. 
          AND PART OF PAYING THEM TO LEASE THE BUILDING OR WHATEVER WE WE'D BE PAYING FOR. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING AT IF, IF WE WERE TO DO IT AT ALL. 
          I'M NOT SAYING WE WOULD BECAUSE WE WOULD THEN BE MAKING 100% OF THE DECISIONS IF WE'RE PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE MONEY, ASSUMING THAT I WOULD EVEN AGREE WITH IT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I STILL FEEL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS WOULD BE. 
          IT'S NICE TO HAVE, AND I'VE BEEN UP THERE A LOT THIS TO THE PAST THREE MONTHS. 
          IT'S PACKED, OR AT LEAST THERE'S ALWAYS LINES INSIDE. 
          I'VE MADE A POINT WHENEVER I'M UP THERE, I GO INSIDE AND I SEE FIVE, 10 PEOPLE AND MAYBE IT'S 4%, IT PROBABLY IS 3%, FIVE, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          BUT THERE'S PEOPLE THERE, PEOPLE CONSTANTLY USING THE BATHROOMS NONSTOP. 
          THAT'S A VALUE TO THAT. 
          AND IT, YOU KNOW, WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY, HOW MANY? HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR BEAUTIFUL BATHROOMS. AND THEY'RE SPOTLESS. 
          THERE'S A VALUE TO THAT. 
          BUT I'M PERPLEXED AS TO WHICH WAY TO GO, BUT I SEE VALUE IN THESE LITTLE THINGS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE, THE INTERRUPT SURVEY DOES AND WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT I AM, YOU KNOW, I WAS A BIG SUPPORTER OF IT LAST TIME AND IT DID GO THAT WAY, BUT, AND I THINK IT WAS, UH, SOMEBODY HERE ON THE DAY HAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE VOLUNTEERS THAT WHAT THEY GIVE, WOULD THEY STILL VOLUNTEER? WE DON'T KNOW. 
          AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THEY COULD TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, THE CITY'S TAKING OVER. 
          NO, WE'D RATHER NOT. 
          THEN WHAT DO WE DO? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUSH OR, YOU KNOW, FORCE PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO VOLUNTEER. 
          BUT THE PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER, I KNOW MANY OF THEM, THAT'S A FACE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTING THAT PEOPLE GO WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE WHERE WE WANT THEM TO GO. 
          AND THERE'S VALUE TO THAT TOO, WHETHER IT'S THE HERITAGE MUSEUM, WHETHER IT'S LESSER USED TRAILS. 
          I MEAN, THE VICE MAYOR AND I, WE WERE UP OFF OF 5, 2 5 JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO AND WE SAW A LOT OF TRAIL, BUT IT WAS WHAT, TUESDAY, MONDAY, WHATEVER IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TRAILS EMPTY, ALL THE TRAIL HEADS WERE, WERE EMPTY DEEP INTO THE FOREST. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SUGGESTION TO, TO GO FOR PEOPLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M VERY PERPLEXED, AS YOU CAN TELL, BUT I SEEVAL VALUE IN A LOT OF THESE THINGS. 
          WHETHER IT EQUALS TO ENOUGH TO GO FOR 424,000 OR A HUNDRED PERCENT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO THAT'S MY, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. 
          ANY FURTHER I HAD REMEMBER BEFORE I WAS OKAY, YES YOU DID. 
          AND THEN, YEAH, YEAH. 
          UM, FIRST I'M NOT SURE IT'S A TRUE ASSUMPTION THAT DAY TRIPPERS DON'T USE THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          IF ANYTHING, I WOULD THINK MAYBE THEY MIGHT BE BIGGER USERS OF IT. 
          SO A LOT OF HOTELS HAVE INFORMATION AND CONCIERGE SERVICES AND STUFF TO, TO PROVIDE THIS KIND OF INFORMATION. 
          YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I DO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY. 
          HOWEVER, I DO GO INTO, INTO VISITOR SITTERS WHEN I TRAVEL MOSTLY TO GET MAPS I CAN LOOK AT. 
          'CAUSE AS I'VE TALKED BEFORE, I CAN'T, I THINK THE MAPS ON MY ELECTRONIC DEVICES ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO, TO USE. 
          UM, I LIKE TALKING TO A REAL PERSON. 
          I KNOW WHEN I'M ON THE PHONE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION, THE FACT THAT I CAN NEVER EVER GET A REAL PERSON TO TALK TO. 
          THERE'S FIVE THINGS THAT I GET CANNED ON THE PHONE AND IF I HAVE A LITTLE, A LITTLE TWEAK ON ANY OF THE FIVE THINGS, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR ME TO GO TO GET, TO GET CLARIFICATION. 
          I LIKE TALKING TO A REAL PERSON. 
          UM, THAT SAID, I, I WOULD NEVER, EVER, EVER SUPPORT FOR US PAYING THE FULL, THE FULL TILT. 
          IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE 20,000, I WOULD PAY THE 80% AND LET THEM FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN IT 
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ON THAT. 
          I WOULD NEVER, EVER PAY THE WHATEVER THE FULL COST WAS. 
          I THINK, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S UNCONSCIOUS. 
          I MEAN, FOR ME, THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T WORK. 
          UM, IT MAY BE THAT THE VISITOR'S CENTER IS THE WRONG, IS THE WRONG TOOL TO DO WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN DOING, WHICH IS PROVIDING, LIKE THE RANGER STATION, A HUMAN LIFE AND A HUMAN FACE TO SORT OF INTERACT WITH ABOUT QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          MAYBE IT'S AN INFORMATION CENTER THAT'S MUCH SMALLER THAT IS SOMEWHERE NOT, NOT IN THEIR PROPERTY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IS IT IN THE SERVICE STATION THAT, THAT WE BOUGHT? I MEAN, I THINK I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, IF I'M A FAMILY OF FOUR AND I COME HERE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT CAN I DO WITH, WITH MY TWO KIDS? WHERE CAN I GO? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF OFF THE MAP THAT'S MORE AUTHENTIC AND INTERESTING TO DO THEN ALL THE STUFF I SEE ALL THE TIME THAT'S BEING PUT AROUND. 
          I THINK IT'S USEFUL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A RESOURCE LIKE THAT. 
          SO I, I'M NOT TIED TO THE VISITOR CENTER OR TO THE CHAMBER, BUT I REALLY LIKE THE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF AN INFORMATION CENTER LOCATED SOMEWHERE. 
          MAYBE A COUPLE OF SMALLER ONES. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, I, I GUESS IT WOULD TAKE A COUPLE OF, IT WOULD TAKE SOME STAFFING, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          WE ARE A TOURIST DESTINATION. 
          BEING TOURIST FRIENDLY IS I THINK REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO SORT OF HAVE A FACE OF, OF UM, NOT SO MUCH WELCOMING, BUT OF, LET'S SEE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, BUT I'M, FOR ME, FINDING THE HARD WORDS, A FACE OF KIND OF INVITING INQUIRY. 
          I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. 
          A SORT OF A, A CURIOSITY SET OR A SOMEWHERE WHERE SOMETHING CAN, WHERE THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED BY A REAL LIFE PERSON. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHERE I AM. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMEWHERE I'M NOT TIED TO THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE AND I WOULD NEVER PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT IF THEY'RE UNWILLING TO CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING. 
          I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S IT. 
          IT BASICALLY, IT'S A CENTER THAT PROMOTES THEIR MEMBERSHIP AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO PROVIDE MONEY FOR THAT FUNDAMENTAL PROMOTION OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP BECAUSE PRESUMABLY THEY BELIEVE, AS A COUNCIL PERSON, DUNN SAYS THAT THEY DO EVERYTHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THEIR OWN VISITOR SITTER. 
          SO RIGHT NOW I WOULD LIKE AN IN FACE INFORMATION THING SOMEWHERE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET TO THERE OR FORMULATE IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW I'M NOT, I'M NOT TIED TO THE VISITOR CENTER, BUT I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE US TO OF SOMETHING THAT IS FORWARD FACING, UH, TO OUR VISITORS. 
          OKAY. 
          KATHY, PETE, DID YOU WANT SOMETHING? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, FIRST, UH, COUNCILLOR WILLIAMS AND I LOVED YOUR USE OF THE TERM CURIOSITY CENTER THAT YOU JUST COINED, ALTHOUGH IT DOES MAKE ME THINK ABOUT RIPLEY'S BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THAT WHERE WE WANNA GO . 
          UM, SO I WAS, I REALLY GLAD THAT I DIDN'T JUMP IN 'CAUSE I REALLY GOT A LOT FROM LISTENING TO OPINIONS UP HERE. 
          AND, UM, MYSELF, I'M A LUDDITE. 
          I'M, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GO TO MY PHONE FOR MOST THINGS FIRST TOO, BUT I REALLY LIKE GOING INTO A PHYSICAL PLACE. 
          I GO TO VISITOR CENTERS WHEN I GO TO A NEW LOCATION. 
          HOWEVER, I'M TRYING NOT LET MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE COLOR MY JUDGMENT OR MY ANALYSIS UP HERE BECAUSE I THINK I'M AN ANOMALY. 
          UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE SCENARIO THAT THE MAYOR PUT OUT THERE, UM, OF A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          AND THEN I THOUGHT, WELL WE'RE THEN, WHOSE VOLUNTEERS ARE THEY? WHICH MEANS WE WOULD NEED A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR, WHICH IS YET ANOTHER POSITION WHICH IS GROWING THE, OUR TOURISM BUREAU. 
          AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT AS SOMEWHERE TO GO. 
          UM, AND I COULDN'T GO FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT ANYWAY BECAUSE WE NEVER SHOULD BE IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP IN MY OPINION, THAN EXISTED IN TERMS OF THE FINANCIAL, UM, THE FINANCIAL FOUNDATION 
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OF THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          I CAN'T EVEN GO FOR 80%. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST FOR ME OFF THE TABLE. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF IT'S THE TALK OF A SHARE. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE EVEN GO FURTHER WITH THAT, WHICH IS, KAREN, YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T KNOW IF AN ASK WOULD BE COMING. 
          DO WE NOT HAVE FROM CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD ANY INDICATION OF, OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE EXPECTING THAT CHAMBER WOULD BE EXPECTING? WHAT THEY MIGHT BE APPROACHING US WITH? I MEAN, WE SHOULD KNOW THAT TO FRAME THIS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO I THINK WHEN LAUREN SAID THAT IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THEY'LL ASK THAT THEY NO, THAT IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE. 
          UM, NOW ESSENTIALLY THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT, THAT I HAVE HAD WITH MICHELLE. 
          MICHELLE HAS TALKED TO HER EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND DID TALK TO HER BOARD AT THEIR LATEST MEETING IN PREPARATION FOR US HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. 
          'CAUSE I WAS HOPEFUL THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US, MM-HMM,  ARE YOU WILLING, AND AT WHAT, WHAT TERMS? AND THE FINAL ANSWER WAS, WE'RE STILL EXPLORING OUR OPTIONS. 
          SO, SO THEY WERE NOT PREPARED TO COMMIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UM, ON WHAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO DO AFTER JULY. 
          AND IF THEY KEPT IT OPEN AT WHAT CAUSED, BUT THE IMPLICATION OF THE CONVERSATIONS, AND AGAIN, SHE WAS NOT COMMITTAL ON BEHALF OF HER BOARD, BUT THE, THE SENSE THAT I GOT WAS THAT IT WOULD BE, IF THEY DID KEEP IT OPEN, THEY WOULD BE EXPECTING THE CITY TO BEAR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST. 
          AND SHE DID NOT SAY THIS, BUT IT WAS DISCUSSED LAST YEAR, UM, THAT THEY MAY BE EXPECTING SOME LEASE FEES. 
          SO WHATEVER THE RENT FOR THE BUILDING, UM, YOU'RE MAKING MY DECISION A LOT EASIER. 
           COULD BE, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT FOR SURE THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, BUT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY BROUGHT UP LAST YEAR, UM, AS FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          SO JUST THAT MIGHT BE A PLAY AS WELL. 
          IF HYPOTHETICALLY THAT WERE THE ASK, MY HYPOTHETICAL RESPONSE WOULD BE NO . 
          UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT, I, I, AGAIN, I, IF IT WAS GOING TO CONTINUE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN, IT DOES A GREAT JOB. 
          THE VOLUNTEERS THERE ARE FANTASTIC, THE INFORMATION SHARED, THE PEOPLE THAT GO IN ARE HAPPY. 
          ALL OF THAT SAID FOR THE KUDOS, IT'S LIMPING ALONG IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL NUMBERS THAT IT SERVES. 
          AND AT SOME POINT, IS IT A GOOD INVESTMENT IF THERE WERE A SHARE BECAUSE THEY, THE CHAMBER NEEDS AN OUTLET, YOU KNOW, TO GET THEIR INFORMATION OUT AND, AND THEIR, FOR THEIR MEMBERS. 
          WE STILL ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO TRANSITION MATERIALS. 
          SO I COULD SEE ANOTHER YEAR OF, OF A, OF A PARTNERSHIP. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT, AS I SAID, IF THAT WAS THE ASK, IT'S A FLAT OUT NO BE, BUT I, I COULDN'T GO MORE THAN A 50% SHARE. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M LANDING ON THE, ON THE OPERATING COSTS AND THAT THAT'S WHERE I LAND. 
          THAT'S WHERE I LAND IN THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, I THINK THAT'S COVERS EVERYBODY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          IT'S INTERESTING HOW, UH, I'M FEELING THAT THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DAIS HERE IS ALMOST KIND OF IN THE SAME POINT. 
          'CAUSE I, I REALLY SHARE MUCH OF THE FEELINGS THAT WERE HERE AND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I SAID THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN UNCOMFORTABLE WITH 80% AND WANTED IT TO MOVE AWAY TO A MORE COST SHARING POSITION IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND MY HEAD IS STILL THERE. 
          SO MUCH LIKE WHAT YOU JUST EXPRESSED, I, I AGREE. 
          IF I LOOK AT THE 4.6% OF VISITORS AND $424,000, THAT'S 9.2 MILLION IF WE TOUCHED EVERYBODY AND IT'S JUST LIKE NOBODY IS GONNA GO THERE. 
           WE'RE, I HOPE WE NEVER GET TO THAT AMOUNT OF SPENDING ON OUR TOURISM EFFORTS. 
          BUT YEAH, SO I I ECHO THOSE COMMENTS. 
          UH, IT'S ALL, EVERYTHING'S A NEGOTIATION. 
          MAYBE WE'VE JUST SENT A MESSAGE BACK TO THE CHAMBER AND WE'LL HEAR NOW THEY'VE HEARD WHAT WE'VE HAD TO SAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, VICE SMEAR, YOU KNOW, I FEEL SIMILAR TO BRIAN IN THE SENSE OF LAST YEAR WE WERE JUST, THERE WAS NO MANEUVER ROOM AT ALL. 
          AND NOW IT'S DECEMBER, IT MIGHT BE THE END OF DECEMBER, MIDDLE OF DECEMBER, LET'S GET THIS RESOLVED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE COULD MAKE PLANS FOR, FOR SOMETHING ELSE IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO THINK THROUGH HOW YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE PHONE CALLS. 
          IS THERE A PERSON, IS THERE ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT COULD, WOULD STEP UP AND BE A SOURCE IF WE PAID THEM A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY? THERE ARE, I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT 
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OPTIONS, BUT WE CAN'T BE DOING THAT IN MAY. 
          RIGHT? WE HAVE TO BE DOING IT PRETTY SOON. 
          YOU HAD TO HAVE ALREADY DONE IT . 
          WELL, TO SOME DEGREE, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT WE CAN'T LET THIS JUST FESTER. 
          LIKE LAST YEAR IT WENT BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH AND IT FINALLY, IT WAS JULY WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION PRACTICALLY RIGHT? THE END OF JUNE. 
          SO YEAH, I I, OUR MESSAGE TO THE CHAMBER WOULD BE, AND IT'S REALLY OKAY, RIGHT? IT'S FINE IF THEY CAN'T DO IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THIS MIGHT NOT BE AN INVESTMENT THAT'S HIGH ENOUGH ON THEIR LIST RIGHT. 
          TO PUT THEIR MONEY INTO, BUT LET'S KNOW THAT SOONER VERSUS LATER SO WE CAN MAKE ALTERNATIVE ARRANGEMENTS AND, AND ABSOLUTELY I CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, IN FACT, I'M ATTENDING THEIR BOARD MEETING IN, IN JANUARY. 
          SO, UM, I I JUST WANT TO CAUTION THE COUNCIL THOUGH, ON THIS NOTION OF THAT POTENTIALLY BY JULY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR, WE MAY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD REALLY PROBABLY ANY ALTERNATIVE, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE VISITOR CENTER, WHETHER THAT BE A, AN INFORMATION CENTER OR YEAH, OR EVEN KIOSK AND QUITE FRANKLY, I MEAN THIS IS THE KIOSK, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THAT EXACTLY A PERSON. 
          SO AS FAR AS HAVING A PERSON AT SOME LOCATION, IT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          AND, AND I DON'T SEE ANY POSSIBLE WAY TO CREATE THAT BY J BY JULY OR EVEN IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          OTHER THAN JAMES, WE HAVE HIRED NO ONE FOR THE TOURISM BUREAU THAT WE'RE STARTING ON A SHOESTRING WITH EXISTING STAFF AND HAVE DONE INCREDIBLE THINGS, BUT WE HAVE NO PHYSICAL LOCATION. 
          I THINK THE, THE PROPERTY AT THE Y WOULD BE BRILLIANT EXCEPT OUR SIM PROJECTS AREN'T CONSTRUCTED. 
          SO BOTTLENECKING, ANY PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THERE WOULD BE A, A DISASTER AT THIS POINT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           I THINK FOR FUTURE IT COULD BE WONDERFUL. 
          UM, SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND SAY, YES, WE'LL BRING YOU AN ALTERNATIVE VISITOR CENTER BY NEXT FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. 
          WHEN I WAS SUGGESTING ALTERNATIVES WAS NOT THAT WE ARE GONNA STAND UP A VISITOR CENTER, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE WE COULD PARTNER WITH, WITH EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS WHERE  MUSEUM KB, WHAT'S IN IT. 
          GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF THE ART CENTER. 
          I MEAN YEAH, PLACES THAT ARE OPEN THAT HAVE STAFF TO PUT LIKE KIOSKS IN THERE. 
          WELL I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A KIOSK, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME PLACE A VISITOR COULD GO TO GET INFORMATION, THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          WE, WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE EXPLORE IT. 
          I, I WAS NOT SUGGESTING WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO OPEN OUR OWN VISITOR CENTER, JUST TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO BEFORE JESSICA GOES, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP AS WELL. 
          KAREN, ANY IDEA WHAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE MACHINES, WE'VE MENTIONED THE MACHINES BEFORE, KIOSKS. 
          ANY, ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? WHAT ARE YOU, ARE YOU ENVISIONING? I DON'T, WELL COME ON BEFORE YOU RETIRE, IF EVERYBODY HAS ONE OF THESE, I UNDERSTAND AND THIS IS YOUR, YOU WANNA KNOW ANYTHING, YOU'VE GOT IT AT YOUR FINGERTIP TIPS AS OPPOSED TO EVEN HAVING THREE OR FIVE OR 10 SOMEWHERE AROUND TOWN. 
          IT'S, I BUT HOW ABOUT THIS? I DON'T THINK IT'S PRACTICAL OR VIABLE. 
          IF WE HAD A PARTNER THAT HAD A LOCATION AND WE PUT A COMPUTER TERMINAL IN THERE THAT HAD SCENIC SEDONA COME UP ON, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A RESOURCE THAT PEOPLE COULD ACCESS WHO I SUPPOSE DON'T HAVE THIS MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT, BUT I JUST DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY VALUE IN TRYING TO DO THAT PLACE THINGS AROUND TOWN. 
          I'LL GO TO THAT TOO. 
          THAT WOULD HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION YOUR CELL PHONE WOULD HAVE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          HOW ABOUT THIS ONE STEP FURTHER. 
          QR CODES UP AND AROUND IN UPTOWN OR EVEN IN WEST SEDONA, THEY'LL TAKE PEOPLE TO THE WEBSITE, THE SCENIC SEDONA, WHICH WOULD HAVE, ARE YOU CURRENTLY IN TOWN? MAYBE THIS IS WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. 
          JUST SOMETHING. 
          AND THAT MIGHT SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, 
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SAME QR CODE AROUND ON A POLE SOMEWHERE ON, ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING AND LET US WALK. 
          YEAH. 
          BEFORE WE RUN, WE HAVEN'T EVEN HIRED THE TOURISM MANAGER YET. 
          WHILE WE HAVE ABSOLUTE BRILLIANCE ON OUR TEAM, YOU BET. 
          THAT HAVE BLOWN US AWAY AND ARE ABSOLUTE ROCK STARS. 
          NONE OF THEM ARE TOURISM MANAGERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO NONE OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING THE EXPERTISE THAT, THAT THIS PERSON IS GOING TO BRING. 
          OR I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY THIS INDIVIDUAL. 
          WHEN THE TEAM IS FULLY TOGETHER AND SOME OF THESE THINGS, FUTURE CAMPAIGNS. 
          UM, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE FOR UPTOWN? WE'VE BRAINSTORMED, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR GETTING RESIDENTS INTO UPTOWN. 
          WE'VE, WE'RE GONNA ADD A SURVEY QUESTION TO OUR BUDGET SURVEY THAT GOES OUT IN JANUARY ABOUT WHAT WOULD ENTICE RESIDENTS TO GO INTO UPTOWN AND PATRONIZE THOSE BUSINESSES AND AND HAVE INTERACTION. 
          SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA COME FROM THIS PROGRAM, BUT I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE LITERALLY LESS THAN SIX MONTHS. 
          LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN SIX MONTHS, STANDING UP A TOURISM BUREAU. 
          SO WE WILL GET THERE. 
          WE JUST MAY NOT GET THERE IN SIX NINE. 
          RIGHT. 
          EVEN THE FIRST 12 MONTHS. 
          SO YOU CAN'T HAVE IT DONE BEFORE YOU RETIRE ? I GUESS NOT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          JUST THIS IS WHY SHE'S RETIRING. 
          . 
          WELL, WELL THAT COULD BE THREE YEARS FROM NOW. 
          WHO KNOWS? UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S INTERESTING. 
          I'M SEEING A LOT OF COLLABORATION NOW BETWEEN THE LODGING COUNCIL, THE CHAMBER AND US. 
          AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          I JUST HOPE THAT THIS DOESN'T PULL US APART FOR A WHILE. 
          THE DECISION OVER THIS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER. 
          EVEN THE RESIDENTS AREN'T THRILLED WITH THE TAB, THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD. 
          THINGS ARE STARTING TO WORK COHESIVELY AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT. 
          THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          ALTERNATIVE COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. 
          I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE A FIRM OPINION. 
          MY OPINION IS I GO TO VISITOR CENTERS WHILE I MAY BE ONE OF THE DI AND I HAVE ONE OF THESE 4.6%, I'M ONE OF THE 4.6 WHO GOES TO VISITOR CENTERS? YOU MAY THINK THAT'S A MINUSCULE AMOUNT. 
          I THINK I, IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          I THINK THEY PROVIDE A REAL SERVICE. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMETHING UPTOWN FOR VISITORS. 
          I, I LIKE, I LIKE TALKING, I LIKE A FACE. 
          SOMETIMES I DON'T, WHEN I DON'T, I GO HERE, BUT SOMETIMES I HAVE A STORY I WANT TO TELL AND I WANT SOME ANSWERS. 
          SO I LIKE THAT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE LOOKING AT ANOTHER OPTION DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD SUPPORT THE VISITOR CENTER AND I WOULD SUPPORT AT 80%, BUT I WOULD NOT PAY FOR AN ADDITIONAL LEASE. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND I WOULD NOT SUPPORT AN INCREASE IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE OR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          THIS SHOULD BE IN THEIR INTERESTS. 
          IF IT'S REALLY NOT IN THEIR INTERESTS, LET GO. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF BUSINESSES TOO, OF BUSINESSES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT BUSINESSES. 
          I THINK IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF BUSINESSES AND IN OF THE COMMUNITY, I THINK IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A RESOURCE FOR VISITORS TO GO TO. 
          I THINK THAT IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT SEDONA, THAT WE PROVIDE THIS FOR VISITORS. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD LOOK FOR. 
          BUT I WOULD ALSO LOOK IN, IN THE, IN THIS YEAR, THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND YEAR. 
          IN THE SECOND YEAR OF DOING IT, I WOULD LOOK FOR A PROPOSAL FOR HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT VISITOR CENTER WITH A MAYBE AN INFORMATION CENTER EITHER IN THAT BUILDING OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          OR IF THERE ARE PARTNERS WHERE WE COULD, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE PARTNERS SAY FOR EXAMPLE, AT AT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WHERE WE WOULD BE GETTING PEOPLE THERE. 
          AND THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE INFORMATION AVAILABILITY THERE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE SORT OF ACTUALLY A NICE THING TO DO. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY ENHANCED WHEN WE HAVE TRANSIT AND SHUTTLES SO THAT SOMEONE CAN PARK THEIR, PARK, THEIR CAR IN THE GARAGE, UM, FIND OUT FROM THEIR PHONE OR FROM MESSAGES SOMEWHERE THAT THEY, THAT THEY CAN GO FOR INFORMATION TO THE JORDAN ROAD 
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HISTORIC SOCIETY, GET ON THE SHUTTLE AND, AND DRIVE OVER THERE. 
          AND I WOULD, I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF HOW I SEE IT WORKING. 
          AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT SHOULD BE A SINGLE FACILITY OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE SORT OF LITTLE SATELLITE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED ALL THE RAFT CARDS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED ALL THE STUFF THAT IS IN THE VISITOR CENTER NOW. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT VISITORS NEED, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, IS BASICALLY, AND SOMEONE COULD TALK TO THEM ABOUT ALTERNATE TRAILS, ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, SORT OF OFFLINE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED TO THEM TELL THE PEOPLE ABOUT SUNSET PARK IF THEY HAVE LITTLE KIDS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOOK FOR BEING DEVELOPED IN THE YEAR WHERE THE, THE SECOND AND FINAL YEAR OF SUPPORTING A VISITOR CENTER. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, LET'S MOVE ON BECAUSE ALREADY I, I DON'T HAVE DIRECTION, SO I JUST NEED SOME CLARITY. 
          IF, IF THE AGREEMENT WAS TO CONTINUE FOR ONE MORE YEAR AT THE SAME COST THAT WE'RE PAYING THIS YEAR, THE 424,000, WHO'S INTERESTED IN, IN PURSUING THAT? I AM NOBODY BUT ME. 
          THE ONLY ONE, BUT NO, ME TOO. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I PROPOSED IT  BECAUSE I'VE ALSO SEEN THE VALUE OF THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, BATHROOMS AS WELL AND THE PHONE SERVICE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE READY TO GO. 
          SO, BUT YEP. 
          SO YOU HAVE A REACTION. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A DEAD, SO I'M GONNA ASK THIS. 
          I THINK THIS, THIS IS, THERE IS A SNOWBALLS CHANCE OF THIS, BUT AT A 50 50 SPLIT, WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KEEPING OPEN? I COULD PROBABLY GO THAT DIRECTION. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FOUR. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          I THOUGHT I'D ASK. 
          I HAVE DIRECTION. 
          GOOD FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I'M, KAREN, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOUR CONVERSATIONS, IF IT MARS AWAY FROM THAT, IT WILL TURN TO, IS THERE A DEAL JUST TO BE HAD AROUND THE BATHROOMS OR, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THEM IN, I MEAN, THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF WE'RE MOVING ON. 
          . 
          KAREN, YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THE BATHROOM. 
          LET'S TRY TO STEP THIS UP A LITTLE BIT SO WE'RE NOT HERE TILL 10 O'CLOCK TONIGHT. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, ITEM 14, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT ASSESSMENT ON OHVS. 
          THIS WOULD BE KAREN'S, I GUESS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF A RECAP ON THIS ITEM, WE HAD INITIALLY PURSUED DOING AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY AS A WAY TO DISCERN WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH THAT WOULD NECESSITATE BANNING OHVS ON CITY STREETS. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THIS STARTED. 
          WE DID ENGAGE, UM, KIMLEY HORN, NOT THEIR ENGINEERING TEAM, BUT, UH, SOME, SOME OTHER OUTSIDE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, EXPERTS TO COME IN AND DO AN ASSESSMENT WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. 
          SO WE PUT OUT AN RFP, WE GOT NOTHING. 
          WE PUT OUT ANOTHER RFP, THE ONLY RESPONDER WAS THIS KIMLEY HORN GROUP, AND IT WAS NORTH OF $400,000. 
          WE HAD BUDGETED 75,000, I BELIEVE, FOR IT . 
          UM, SO IN ORDER TO TRY TO MANAGE THE BUDGET, WE BROKE IT OUT INTO A PHASE ONE THAT WOULD LOOK AT SPRING HIGH SEASON LAST YEAR. 
          ANOTHER PIECE WOULD LOOK, DO A SUMMER DATA ANALYSIS AND THEN A FALL DATA ANALYSIS. 
          THE INITIAL SPRING, UM, DATA COLLECTION WAS ONLY GOING TO BE NOISE, DUST, AND TRAFFIC. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE THREE THINGS. 
          I THINK THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS CONTEMPLATED IN FUTURE PHASES, BUT ALL WE COULD AFFORD FOR THE $99,000 THAT WE ENDED UP, UM, AGREEING TO FOR THIS FIRST PHASE. 
          WHILE THAT WAS IN PROCESS DISCUSSION STARTED AROUND THE MAYOR'S INITIATION OF A BAN OF OHVS ON CITY STREETS, NOT BASED ON HEALTH, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CONCERNS, BUT ON SAFETY BASED ON 
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THESE VEHICLES NOT BEING SUITABLE FOR, FOR ON-ROAD. 
          WE FINISHED THE FIRST PHASE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THE DAYS THAT KIMLEY HORN'S EXPERTS AND DATA COLLECTORS WERE SUPPOSED TO COME OUT, IT HAD RAINED. 
          SO IT WAS A SPRING BUSY SEASON, BUT IT WAS RAIN, WHICH OF COURSE AFFECTS THE DUST THAT, SO WHEN THEY DID THEIR COLLECTIONS FOR DUST, IT WAS IMPACTED BY THE FACT THAT THE DIRT WAS WET . 
          UM, WE COULD HAVE HAD THEM COME BACK OUT AT THE COST OF ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, $200,000. 
          THE REASON THAT WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO DO THAT, AND WE DIDN'T COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND ASK ABOUT DOING THAT WAS BECAUSE WE NO LONGER ACTUALLY NEEDED THAT INFORMATION YES. 
          TO BE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT BANNING OHVS ON CITY STREETS. 
          NOW THE DUST ISSUES ARE MORE CONCENTRATED, MORE SEVERE OUT OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. 
          UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO, TO GAUGE IN THESE ANALYSES. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT WAS SORT OF PUT ON HOLD AS YOU ALL WERE PURSUING THIS NEW AVENUE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WHEN WE FIRST PUT THIS RFP AND THIS STUDY TOGETHER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW WHERE THAT LANDED. 
          UM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION NEXT SPRING. 
          WE RIGHT NOW DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PLANS TO REENGAGE KIMLEY HORN OR ANY OTHER GROUP TO COME REASSESS DUST OR TRAFFIC OR NOISE. 
          NONE OF THE RESULTS WERE ANYWHERE NEAR A THRESHOLD. 
          SO YES, THE RAIN WAS A FACTOR, BUT THE RESULT THERE WERE, THEY WERE NOWHERE NEAR, UM, WHAT THEY NEEDED TO BE IN ORDER TO HAVE A JUSTIFICATION FROM A HEALTH PERSPECTIVE TO BAN OHVS. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 
          JESSICA. 
          YEAH, I WONDERED HOW THESE TWO THINGS WERE GONNA KIND OF INTERACT. 
          AND I GUESS MY FEELING NOW IS I THINK WE SHOULD DROP THIS. 
          I BELIEVE MY OWN FEELING IS WE BASICALLY MADE AN ARRANGEMENT, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE OHV PEOPLE. 
          THEY'RE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THEIR VEHICLES ON THE, ON THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THEY DID THAT, WE WOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH BANNING THEIR VEHICLES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I BELIEVE THAT WAS A, I BELIEVE THAT'S AN AGREEMENT WE HAVE. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD SEEK TO, TO, UM, OVER, TO, TO  BACK OUT OF THAT AGREEMENT BY A DIFFERENT METHOD. 
          AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE MADE OUR BED, WE MADE OUR DECISION, AND I, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD, UH, THROUGH ANOTHER AVENUE GIVEN THAT'S ONE SIDE. 
          AND THE OTHER IS, I DON'T, I I BELIEVE JUST NOT BEING AN ENGINEER, NOT BEING AN EXPERT, THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO REACH, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET STUDIES THAT ARE GONNA REACH THE THRESHOLD FOR SEDONA THAT WE WOULD NEED. 
          UM, AND I, I KNOW THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REASON FOR THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND. 
          I WOULD BE VE I WOULD BE MORALLY AGAINST OKAY. 
          DOING SOMETHING AT THIS POINT TO, TO TRY AND GET OHVS OFF THE ROAD GIVEN, GIVEN THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH THE OWNERS. 
          PETE, BEFORE YOU GO, LET ME ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT SURE. 
          TO BE CLEAR, THAT WASN'T THE ENTIRELY THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE OHV COMPANIES. 
          OH. 
          IT WAS PARTIALLY THE AGREEMENT. 
          AND THEY HAVE FULFILLED 80, 90% OF THEIR AGREEMENT. 
          THEY'VE DONE THEIR EQUIPMENT AND THAT'S FINE, BUT THEY HAVE NOT REALLY, UH, AGREED OR FOLLOWED UP ON THE PERMITTING SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PERMITTING SYSTEM PUT BEFORE THEM TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER, THAT'S A BAD NUMBER. 
          AND THAT WAS FAIR ON THEM. 
          SO THEY DID NOT COME OUT WITH THAT DEGREE. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          NO, I KNOW, I, LET ME FINISH. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO ANYTHING. 
          ALSO, WE HAD AGREED THAT WE WOULD WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE GSRC, THE GREATEST SEDONA RECREATIONAL COLLABORATIVE CAME BACK WITH AND WHERE THE FOREST SERVICE CAME BACK. 
          SO THESE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE 
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MOVING FORWARD AS WELL. 
          SO, BECAUSE THE FOUR COMPANIES, WHILE THEY HAVE DONE A JOB, UH, AND WE, THEY, THEY CAME TO US ABOUT A MONTH AGO. 
          THEY MET MM-HMM. 
           WELL, THREE OF THE, UH, COMPANIES CAME. 
          THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY CAN. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF PRIVATELY OWNED THAT WE'RE NOT TOUCHED BY THAT AT ALL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I KNOW. 
          SO WE STILL NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO I, WE STILL NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APRIL MEETING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SEE WHAT THE, UH, EQUIPMENT MODIFICATIONS LIE, SEE IF THE, UH, UH, GSRC MOVES FORWARD WITH THAT PERMIT SYSTEM AND TO SEE WHERE THE, UH, FOREST SERVICE, NOW I'VE BEEN TOLD HIGH LEVEL, THE FOREST SERVICE IS LOOKING AT A PERMIT SYSTEM WITH NO, NO NUMBER, WHICH MEANS NOTHING. 
          THEY'RE GONNA EITHER SELL OR DISTRIBUTE IS THE ONE PART OF THE PLAN PERMITS, BUT UNLIMITED NUMBERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. 
          IT WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, I MEAN, BACK IN APRIL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS COMING APRIL, UH, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT THEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND IN YOUR RIGHT, BUT THOSE THINGS WERE ON THE TABLE AS PART OF OUR AGREEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND, AND THAT AGREEMENT . 
          AND, AND, AND THEY HAVE NOT, NOT FULFILLED ANYTHING AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT GOT A PERMIT PROPOSAL, SO THEY CAN'T REACT. 
          THEY HAVE NOT SEEN THE GRSC PROPOSAL, SO THEY CAN'T REACT. 
          THEY HAVE NOT, THEY HAVE FULFILLED EVERY OBLIGATION THAT THEY HAVE HAD A CHA THAT THEY HAS TO PUT BEFORE THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO AT THIS, AND THIS WAS REALLY A, A GOOD FAITH EFFORT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ON THEIR PART AND ON OUR PART. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND I, I, I WANNA STAND BY THE GOOD FAITH AGREEMENT THAT WE MADE. 
          AND SO I'M NOT INTERESTED IN GOING OUT AND DOING ANOTHER ASSESSMENT. 
          OH, I AM NOT EITHER. 
          NO, THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT, IS I DON'T WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND DO ANOTHER ASSESSMENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME HAVE, HAVE THAT SECOND COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE NEXT. 
          AND BRIAN, IF YOU WANNA WEIGH IN OR HOLLY BEING ON THE COMMITTEE, FEEL FREE IF I MISS SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, MY INTEREST HERE IS NOT IN DISRUPTING WHATEVER PROGRESS WE ARE AREN'T MAKING WITH THE OHB COMPANIES ON THIS ISSUE. 
          I'M FOCUSED REALLY ON THIS REPORT KNOWING THAT THIS REPORT SITS IN CITY FILES AND IS SUBJECT TO ANY KIND OF PUBLIC REQUEST TO SEE IT THAT MIGHT COME. 
          AND I'M REALLY QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS STUDY. 
          KAREN, YOU AND I HAVE HAD AN EXTENDED CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, AND MY NEXT TASK WAS TO RESPOND TO THE LAST BIT OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AND FORMULATE A QUESTION IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          AND SO I'M GONNA TRY TO DO THAT HERE ON THE DAIS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN WAS NOT ONLY DID WE HAVE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD COME OUT AND DO A DUST STUDY TWO DAYS AFTER A RAIN, OR A DAY OR TWO DAYS AFTER A RAIN, WHICH I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FITS IN ANY EXPERT'S, PROFESSIONAL ETHICS OR OBLIGATIONS, YOU KNOW, OF, OF HOW AND WHEN IS BEST TO DO A STUDY. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION AND A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT, AND, AND KAREN, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE RAIN, BUT WE ALSO KNOW AT THIS POINT, WE KNOW THAT 1 52 AND 5, 2 5 WERE CLOSED FOR PARTS OF THE STUDY. 
          WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE THAT THERE WERE BARRELS THERE, AND WE'VE HAD RESPONSE BACK AND FORTH. 
          SERVICES SAID, YEP. 
          IN FACT, THOSE ROADS WERE CLOSED. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDELY SPREAD IN THE COMMUNITY, IT WAS KNOWN THAT THOSE ROADS WERE CLOSED, BUT IT IMPACTS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE OUT THERE. 
          AND, AND IT WOULD, IM, YOU KNOW, IF KIMLEY HORNE CONCLUDES LOOKING AT THE WHOLE STUDY DURATION THAT, AND I'LL QUOTE HERE, 5 12 1 52 C UH, UH, ONLY THE 4 1 52 C TRAIL ON SUNDAY HAD PM 10 AND PM 2.5 EXPOSURE ABOVE THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES FOR MORE THAN A SINGLE HOUR. 
          IT DID HAVE IT, IT, IT DID HAVE HAZARDOUS LEVELS ABOVE THE SAFETY GUIDELINES AT THE TAIL END OF THE STUDY WHEN THE ROADS WERE THE DRIEST. 
          AND SO I THINK MY QUESTION THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT FORMULATING BACK TO YOU IS IF THAT WORST CONDITION AT THE END OF THE STUDY WERE HAD EXHIBITED IN THE WHOLE STUDY, WHAT CONCLUSION WOULD THE REPORT HAVE REACHED? UH, AND I DON'T KNOW. 
          WELL, I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU SAY, KAREN. 
          'CAUSE LAST TIME MESSAGE I GOT FROM YOU IS, I'M NOT SURE THEY ANSWERED THAT EXACT QUESTION, BUT, UM, MAYBE THERE'S MORE INFO. 
          UM, AND THE FACT THAT THERE WERE FEWER VEHICLES DRIVE, 
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I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE ANY CONCLUSION FROM THE DATA THAT WE GOT BASED ON THE MOISTURE CONDITIONS AND LIKELY REDUCE TRAFFIC OUT THERE. 
          SO, AND REDUCE SPEEDS BECAUSE THE MONITOR WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CLOSURE POINT. 
          JUST LIKE EVERYTHING GOES IN THERE THAT SAYS, WOW, THE DATA IS UNRELIABLE. 
          AND SO MOSTLY WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS NOW IS FOR US TO PUT A COVER PAGE ON THAT REPORT THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL OF OUR CONCERNS, AND THAT THIS REPORT IS REALLY NOT VALID. 
          AND THAT ANYONE IN THE FUTURE THAT ACCESSES THAT REPORT SEES THAT, OH, OKAY, WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. 
          WE REALLY SHOULDN'T RELY ON, ON THAT DATA COMPLETELY. 
          BUT KAREN YEAH, YOU'RE, WELL, WE DIDN'T RELY ON IT, WHICH WAS WHY IT NEVER GOT PRESENTED TO COUNSEL. 
          IT NEVER SAW THE LIGHT OF DAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE BASED ON THE RAIN EVENT. 
          AND BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T DO OTHER PHASES THAT WOULD'VE MEASURED DURING DRIER CONDITIONS. 
          AND IT, IT WAS WHAT IT WAS AT, AT THE TIME, WE COULD NOT GO BACK. 
          WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FORCE THEM TO REDO IT FOR FREE. 
          THEY, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO REFUND US THE MONEY. 
          LIKE IT, IT HAPPENED. 
          AND WE HAVE THIS DRAFT REPORT THAT WAS NEVER FINALIZED. 
          AND NOT ONLY WAS IT NEVER FINALIZED, WE REQUESTED FROM THEM AND AFTER ACTION MEMO THAT THEY DID PRODUCE THAT ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE QUESTION MARKS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE REPORT. 
          THE THING THAT WAS, THAT I DO FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT IN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR AIR QUALITY EXPERT WHO WAS IN, IS INCREDIBLY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE FIELD, A FIELD I AM NOT INCREDIBLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT. 
          SHE WAS PRETTY ADAMANT THAT EVEN AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS MEASURED IT WOULD NOT HAVE NECESSITATED OR WARRANTED, I GUESS, UM, A, A BAN OF OHVS. 
          BECAUSE HOW SHE EXPLAINS IT IS THAT OUR LUNGS ARE BUILT TO TAKE IN BAD STUFF FOR SHORT DURATIONS OF TIME. 
          AND THEN ONCE THAT CONDITION IS NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE, WE RECOVER. 
          AND THAT, WHILE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MANY VEHICLES GOING BY CREATING DUST AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION, FIRST OF ALL, THERE WERE NOT PEOPLE STANDING AROUND THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY, THERE WEREN'T, YOU HAVE TO BE STANDING NEXT TO THE ROADWAY TO EXPERIENCE THAT. 
          BUT THAT THEY CAME IN WAVES. 
          THEY, IT WASN'T SOLID FOR HOURS ON END OR DAYS ON END OR WHATEVER. 
          AND I DON'T RECALL WHAT SHE SAID. 
          THE ACTUAL THRESHOLD WOULD'VE BEEN THE DURATION THAT IT WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE BEEN SUSTAINED AT THAT LEVEL FOR IT TO BE A HEALTH HAZARD. 
          SO AGAIN, IF, IF COUNSEL REALLY WANTS TO HAVE THAT EVALUATION DONE, WE CAN TRY IT AGAIN. 
          WE CAN DO IT IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER AND SEE WHAT THE LEVELS ARE, AND WE CAN USE A DIFFERENT FIRM THAT WE HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TRY AGAIN. 
          I, BUT I DON'T THINK THE RESULTS ARE GOING TO STILL BE AT, AT A PLACE TO WHERE YOU WOULD TAKE ACTION ON IT. 
          AND IT WAS ONLY IN THIS ONE LOCATION, WHICH IS NOT EVEN INSIDE OUR JURISDICTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND KAREN, I, I, I FULLY APPRECIATE THAT AND I AM ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT THAT THIS CITY US, WE PEOPLE IN THIS BUILDING AND ON THIS DI ARE NOT GONNA TAKE ANY ACTION ABOUT WHAT WAS IN OR NOT IN THIS REPORT, BUT IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS. 
          THIS REPORT IS OUT THERE. 
          PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY USED IT TO DRAW MISLEADING CONCLUSIONS TO IT. 
          FUTURE PEOPLE WILL ALSO DO THAT. 
          SO THIS IS WHY I WOULD LIKE US TO TAKE A STRONGER ACTION. 
          THEN WE'VE PREPARED SOME TYPE OF REPORT THAT ISN'T ACTUALLY QUITE COMPLETE BECAUSE IT SAYS IT SPEAKS NOTHING TO THE CLOSURE OF THE ROADS THAT EXISTED THERE. 
          BUT WHICH SPEAKS DRAFT. 
          IT JUST DOES DRAFT OFF. 
          AND THE REPORTS NONE STANDS NONETHELESS, PE ANYONE IN THE WORLD CAN GET A COPY OF THAT DRAFT REPORT. 
          I KNOW. 
          AND THEY WILL USE IT BECAUSE OH, I AGREE. 
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THEY GOT IT. 
          I AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD, IT HAS, WOULD REALLY LIKE THIS TO MOVE TOWARDS DOING SOMETHING MORE. 
          BUT THE REPORT IS ACCURATE FOR WHAT IT WAS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IT MEASURED AT A TIME THAT WAS DURING AND POST RAIN WHERE MAYBE THERE WERE LESS VEHICLES. 
          BUT THAT'S A POINT IN TIME ANALYSIS. 
          AND THAT POINT IN TIME ANALYSIS IS ACCURATE FOR THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          THAT REPORT DOES NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE ROAD BEING CLOSED. 
          IT, IT DOESN'T, AND I, NONE OF US KNOW, AND WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER KNOW ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS ANY COMMUNICATION IN THE COMMUNITY THAT SAYS, STAY OFF THOSE ROADS, BUT THE, AND THE NUMBERS WOULD'VE  COME DOWN. 
          I HAVE STOOD, I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE, WE'VE STOOD OUT ON, AT THE AIRY TRAILHEAD, AND WE LOOKED, HAVE, WE LOOKED TO THE, TO THE EAST-WEST. 
          AND WE'VE SEEN AIR QUALITY THERE THAT IT EXCEEDS THE WORST I'VE EVER SEEN IN PHOENIX IN THE EIGHTIES. 
          I MEAN, IT JUST, IT'S TERRIBLE. 
          AND IT'S NOT, IT'S PERIODIC. 
          IT'S OUT THERE AND IT LOOKS BAD. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T RIDE MY BIKE ON THOSE DAYS BECAUSE IN THAT AREA, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT STUFF GOING IN MY LUNGS. 
          BUT MY POINT IS THAT WE'VE DONE SOME WORK AND WE'RE CONVINCED OURSELVES THAT THERE WERE FLAWS IN THE STUDY, BUT WE'RE NOT COMMUNICATING THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO DO A, UH, A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR THAT REPORT, THEY WOULDN'T GET THE REST OF OUR ANALYSIS THAT SAYS WHY IT WAS BAD. 
          AND I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE MORE FORWARD AND MORE CERTAIN ABOUT WHY THAT REPORT DIDN'T MEET OUR STANDARDS. 
          WHETHER, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DAYS IT TAKES TO DRY OUT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WAS MORE THAN TWO  AND THE ROADS WERE CLOSED. 
          THIS REPORT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          THERE WAS REDUCED USAGE OUT THERE ON THOSE DAYS. 
          SO I'M, I'M DONE ON MY, THAT'S MY SOAPBOX ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE STUDY WAS FLAWED. 
          THAT IS UNFORTUNATE. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE IT IS. 
          UM, IT WAS WHAT IT IS. 
          AS YOU SAID, IT WAS A SNAPSHOT OF THE CONDITIONS ON THAT DAY. 
          I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN A COMPANY THAT WE HAVE HAD SUCH A ACTIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH ON SO MANY PROJECTS DIDN'T SEE FIT TO SAY, THESE ARE NOT THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. 
          WE'LL COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS OR SOMETHING AND COMMUNICATE THAT BAD ON THEM. 
          IT REALLY IS A VERY POOR REFLECTION OF, OF, OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH US. 
          UM, AND I KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENT DIVISION, I GET THAT. 
          BUT STILL, THEY NEED TO BE AWARE THAT THIS IS SEDONA. 
          THAT WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, INVESTED COMING FROM THEM. 
          AND I MEAN, MEAN, IT WAS JUST, IT, IT WAS UNPROFESSIONAL, DISRESPECTFUL. 
          AND, AND I'LL LEAVE THAT THERE. 
          UM, THAT BEING SAID, I, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN TIME OF WHERE WE ARE IN THIS ISSUE TO PROCEED WITH ANOTHER STUDY. 
          I, I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE MAY NOT WANT ONE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND I SAY THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS A HUGE PROPONENT OF THE STUDY AND HAVING IT DONE, I WANTED IT DONE. 
          'CAUSE I WANTED RESULTS THAT I NOW CAN'T RELY ON. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO DO A REPLACEMENT OF IT AT ADDITIONAL COST. 
          I THINK WHERE WE ARE IS FURTHER ALONG. 
          I THINK WE RESERVE THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO REVISIT THAT QUESTION AT SOME POINT IF WE EVER NEEDED TO OUT OF CONTINGENCY, IF THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE NEED, MORE LIKELY OUT OF A NEXT YEAR'S PROCESS WHERE WE ARE IN WHEN WE'RE BUDGETING. 
          UM, ALL THAT BEING SAID, I ALSO, I DO THINK THAT COUNCILOR FURMAN HAS A POINT THAT SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO RELY ON THE DRAFT AND, BUT IT EXISTS, SOMETHING SIMPLE COULD MAYBE GO ON THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE UNACCEPTED DRAFT OR, YOU KNOW, DRAFT NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT USED FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE OR JUST SOME SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN PUTTING SOMETHING ON THERE THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT HAS NOT INFORMED POSITIONS THAT WE'RE TAKING BECAUSE IT'S NOT INFORMING POSITIONS THAT WE'RE TAKING. 
          AND I THINK THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY HAD THIS AND IT INFORMED THEIR POSITION, BUT IT HASN'T. 
          SO THERE, WELL, AND THE DOCUMENT ITSELF WAS NEVER FINALIZED. 
          THAT'S WHY IT STILL SAYS DRAFT, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S AN AFTER AF ACTION MEMO THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. 
          SO CAN IT SAY DRAFT UNACCEPTED NOT FINAL? I, I DON'T, I MEAN, I SUPPOSE COULD WE TAKE THEIR PDF? COULD WE SUPERIMPOSE SOMETHING OVER IT? I DON'T HAVE ACCESS RIGHTS TO, 'CAUSE I'M NOT THE AUTHOR. 
          NOT COULD WE ASK THEM THOUGH? I MEAN, THEY OWE US AT LEAST THAT MUCH, YOU KNOW, FOR HAVING A FLOW, 
          [07:45:01]
THE AFTER ACTION MEMO AND THE FACT THAT WE NEVER FINALIZED THE REPORT. 
          UH, IF YOU, IF IF COUNSEL WANTS TO GIVE SPECIFIC, UM, LANGUAGE THAT YOU'D LIKE ME TO ASK THEM TO ADD TO THE DOCUMENT, THEN I WILL ASK THEM TO ADD IT TO THE DOCUMENT. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR LANGUAGE TO SAY UNACCEPTED REPORT OR AN UNACCEPTED DRAFT SO THAT THEY KNOW IT WAS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE BODY OF THE CITY. 
          AND THAT WOULD, I CAN JUST TAG ON HERE. 
          I I, I THINK YOU NEED TO, BUT GO AHEAD. 
          DOES IT REALLY NEED TO BE A CONVERSATION WITH KIMLEY HORNE? WE HAVE A PDF. 
          THE SOFTWARE EXISTS TO TAKE A PDF AND THROW ANOTHER PAGE ON THE FRONT. 
          IT'S OURS. 
          WE, WE CREATE PDFS. 
          WE CAN CREATE A LARGER PDF DF WITH ANOTHER PAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I SAID. 
          I SAID, I'M NOT THE AUTHOR, BUT WE COULD SUPERPOSE SOMETHING ON THE COVER TO, TO PUT WHATEVER LANGUAGE YOU'D LIKE TO PUT ON IT. 
          UH, EITHER WAY. 
          I'M COMFORTABLE. 
          AS LONG AS THERE'S SOMETHING EITHER HAVE MCKINLEY HORN PUT THAT ON THERE OR SUPERPOSE IT. 
          I DON'T CARE. 
          WHICHEVER WAY HANDY YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          A A SMALL DISTINCTION, BUT I WOULD CALL IT UNAPPROVED, NOT UNACCEPTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WOULD MAKE, THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY MEANS MORE TO ME. 
          UM, I, I WANNA THANK PETE FOR, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THIS TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. 
          I KNOW KAREN, UH, WE, WE AND I TALKED ABOUT IT, UH, I WASN'T AWARE UNTIL JUST LAST WEEK ABOUT IT. 
          AND, UM, I, I WOULD AGREE TO HAVE THAT, UH, UNACCEPTED EITHER A STAMP PUT ON IT OR COVER LETTER BECAUSE IT, IT IS NOW OUT, UH, NOW, BUT SOMEONE ELSE COULD PUT A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST IN TWO YEARS FROM NOW. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T SEE SOMETHING ON IT FROM US, UH, IT'LL, I THINK THE SAME MISTAKE CAN HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, AN OFFICIAL COMMENT, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THE END RESULT, BUT IT'S NOT ACCEPTED. 
          WOULDN'T ANYTHING DIFFERENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THAT DETAIL. 
          WE ALWAYS WE'RE SAYING, WE'RE JUST NOT ACCEPTING IT. 
          WE DIDN'T USE THE REPORT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          WOULD THAT BE, UH, KURT, WOULD THAT BE ANY, ANY WAY OF A, UM, HOT BUTTON FOR US TO DO THAT? NO, WE CAN, IF COUNSEL DOESN'T ACCEPT THE REPORT, WE CAN SUPERIMPOSE, UH, THAT LABEL ON TOP OF IT. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA ALTER THE REPORT OR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          BUT ON THE SIDE, VICE MAYOR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY WE WERE THERE THE OTHER DAY. 
          IT WAS HORRIBLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT WAS GONE IN 10 MINUTES. 
          IT WAS GONE, AND THEN IT CAME BACK AS SOON AS THE NEXT, THE VEHICLE CAME. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND GUESS WHAT? HERE I AM SNIFFING AND SNEEZING. 
          YEAH. 
          WE BOTH WERE, WERE IMPACTED. 
          I, I FELT REALLY, MY, MY BODY FELT IT. 
          THE LUNGS FILLED UP. 
          IT DID. 
          THE LUNGS DO FILL UP. 
          IT WAS AS BAD AS LA EVER WAS, AS BAD AS PHOENIX EVER. 
          I MEAN, IT REALLY WAS BAD. 
          AND THEY KEPT COMING AND COMING. 
          THIS WAS A MONDAY MORNING. 
          THIS IS NOT ON THE WEEKEND. 
          I WILL SAY THAT MOST OF THEM WEREN'T, WERE, UM, OWNER OWNED. 
          THEY WERE NOT THE RENTAL COMPANY VEHICLES, BUT IT REALLY WAS. 
          AND THEY WERE SPEEDING. 
          OH, DEFINITELY SPEEDING. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THE FOREST. 
          IT'S NOT OURS TO POLICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT SPEEDING. 
          THERE'S NO SPEEDING LIMIT. 
          IT KICKED UP DUST. 
          THERE WAS ACTUALLY ONE VEHICLE THAT SLOWED DOWN AND 'CAUSE THEY NEEDED DIRECTION, BUT THEY CAME SLOWLY AND THERE THE DUST WAS MINIMAL. 
          SO THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE JUST FROM US. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT, NOT FOR THE DISCUSSION, BUT WHICH IS WHY SPEED LIMIT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT IF, UH, IF YOU'RE NOT STANDING OUT THERE NEXT TO IT FOR DAYS AND WEEKS NO, I, I, I KNOW. 
          BUT, BUT IF WE DON'T ACCEPT IT ON END, IF WE DON'T ACCEPT IT, THAT'S ALL. 
          AND SAY NOTHING ELSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL I CAN SAY IS I, MY BODY REACTED TO IT AND HERE I AM. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC. 
          NO. 
          NOW THE SCIENTIST IN THE ROOM, KAREN KNOWS I'VE REVIEWED THIS AND SET MY COMMENTS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE METHODOLOGIES, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          UM, IF IT'S, IF IT'S TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD PURSUE ANOTHER STUDY WITH THEM, UM, I WOULD NOT, UM, NO. 
          IF IT'S TO SAY, UM, A, A RESPONSE TO PEOPLE WHO DID READ THIS STUDY OSTENSIBLY AND THEN DREW CONCLUSIONS THAT I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE DRAWN FROM HAVING READ IT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU, YOU CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE READ THINGS AND READ THEM WITH, UM, AN UNDERSTANDING AND AN INTENT. 
          THAT'S BASED ON THE SCIENTIFIC SIDE OF IT. 
          YOU JUST CAN'T, 
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IF WE, IF THIS IS TO SAY, UM, WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW IN THE COMMUNITY WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREED WITH THE CONCLUSIONS THAT WERE DRAWN. 
          UM, AND, AND I, I'M HEARING THAT AS WELL, WHICH IS WHERE THE UNPRO UNAPPROVED STATEMENT IS COMING FROM. 
          , YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO STAFF TO MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY BELIEVE, THEY WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT STAFF DID NOT AGREE WITH THE CONCLUSIONS THAT WERE DRAWN. 
          UM, AS FAR AS ALL THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT I KEEP HEARING OR STATEMENTS I KEEP HEARING, YEAH, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WITH DUST. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, 2.5 IS WHAT'S HORRIBLE FOR YOUR LUNGS. 
          BUT PM 10, WHICH IS WHAT THEY NORMALLY, UM, MEASURE, IS VISIBILITY. 
          UM, AND YOU PROBABLY NOTICE THAT IT'S NOT HIGHLY VISIBLE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY. 
          IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. 
          WHAT'S WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION ARE PAVED ROADS. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE NOISE MORE THAN IT WOULD BE DUST. 
          AND SO WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT THEIR, THEIR, UH, THEIR CONCLUSIONS AROUND NOISE, THEY DIDN'T MEASURE NOISE NEXT TO WHERE HOUSES ARE. 
          THEY MEASURED THEM ON WHERE THE TRAIL HEADS WERE. 
          SO AGAIN, JUST FLAWED METHODOLOGY WITH A CONCLUSION THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE TO. 
          BUT GIVEN WHAT THE EPA SAYS THE LEVEL SHOULD BE, WHICH IS 55 DECIBELS, AND KNOWING THAT THE STATE HAS SAID THAT 96 DECIBELS IS ACCEPTABLE, IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          UM, AND SO IF, IF THIS IS TO SAY, SHOULD WE DO ANOTHER ONE, MY ANSWER WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          I WOULDN'T SPEND THE MONEY BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE, THEIR METHODOLOGY WAS FLAWED AND I WOULD'VE EXPECTED BETTER FOR OUR MONEY. 
          UM, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION AND WE EITHER RELY ON THE FOREST SERVICE, SO WE RELY ON THE GSRC, WHICH IS WORKING WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT SUGGESTIONS, UM, AND, AND THE RIGHT CONCLUSIONS. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE, BUT IF THAT GIVES YOU THE ANSWER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          'CAUSE I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT DIRECTION  YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          I WAS TRYING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND IF YOU AS A BODY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED, WHICH IS NOTHING FURTHER, BUT I WILL SAY IT SOUNDS LIKE MANY OF YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A HEALTH ISSUE. 
          AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A HEALTH ISSUE, NOW GRANTED, IT IS OUTSIDE OUR JURISDICTION, BUT IT WAS AN AREA THAT YOU WANTED TO ASSESS. 
          AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT HEALTH ISSUE EXISTS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT IT ACTUALLY DOES EXIST, THEN I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING WE THINK IT DOES AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE NOT WANTING TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AT THIS TIME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF I COULD PAUSE IT ONE MORE THING. 
          SURE, OF COURSE. 
          SO, UM, I DO KNOW THAT ADEC RIGHT TO THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, UM, UH, DID DO A, UH, TWO OR THREE DAY STUDY FOR DUST OUT, UM, IN THAT AREA AT, UM, A RESIDENTIAL ESTABLISHMENT. 
          THEIR CONCLUSION WAS, UM, IT WAS NOT A, DID NOT REACH HEALTH LEVELS. 
          THE REASON, HOWEVER, IS THAT THEY MEASURE OVER, 'CAUSE THE EPA MEASURES OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD. 
          UM, HOWEVER YOU CAN KNOW THAT WHEN IT'S AT IT'S WORST, IT'S NOT A 24 THERE. 
          PEOPLE DON'T RUN OUT THERE 24 HOURS, YOU KNOW, A DAY. 
          SO DURING THE, THE PERIOD WHEN THEY'RE AT THEIR PEAK, THAT LEVEL COULD HAVE EXCEEDED, UM, HEALTH SUGGESTIONS BY EPA, BY WHO, BY A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. 
          HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, THE GSRC HAS ASKED FOR THAT DATA SO THAT THEY CAN DO AN ANALYSIS THAT'S BASED ON THE TIME PERIOD WHERE THEY NORMALLY WOULD RUN TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT JUST WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD THERE, THAT WOULD'VE EXCEEDED THE LEVELS. 
          SO I WOULD SAY JUST LET THEM DO THEIR THING. 
          UM, A DEQ IS QUITE HAPPY TO LET, UM, GSRC TAKE THAT DATA AND RUN WITH IT. 
          THEY'VE EVEN OFFERED TO HELP IF, IF SOME ANALYSIS WAS REQUIRED BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THOSE, THOSE PROGRAMS ALREADY. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO DO ANYTHING EVEN IN THAT AREA. 
          I WOULD JUST ALLOW THE PROCESS THAT'S RUNNING RIGHT NOW TO JUST RUN ITS COURSE. 
          MELISSA, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT PETE'S SUGGESTION ABOUT HAVING JUST SOME, SOMETHING PUT ACROSS THE TOP UNACCEPTED OR 
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UNAPPROVED UNAPPROVED WHAT YOU WANT? I, I THINK THAT THAT, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I THINK THAT'S UP TO, UM, HOW, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO AND THAT'S THE DIRECTION TO STAFF, I'M SURE STAFF WILL DO IT. 
          I ALSO THINK THAT THAT COULD BE A DECISION STAFF COULD MAKE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE FACT THAT THEY'VE NOT FINALIZED IT, THE FACT THAT THEY'VE NOT DONE ANY OF THAT IN AND OF ITSELF, IT'S AN IMPLICIT. 
          WHAT I THINK COUNCILOR FURMAN IS ASKING FOR IS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S EXPLICIT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PULLING THAT, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE ARTICLE THAT WAS WRITTEN, WHICH HAS AN IMPLICATION THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE IMPLICATION ACTUALLY IN THE MATERIAL ITSELF. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE FENCE. 
          IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T DO ANY HARM. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, TO DO IT. 
          THAT'S FOR SURE. 
          IF EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND I, I THINK YOU'RE ONLY DOING THAT SO THAT AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN OUR CITY, WE WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE DID NOT AGREE THAT THE CONCLUSIONS WERE ACCURATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          IT ALL ALL LEADS TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, WHAT TIME ARE WE FINISHING TODAY? FIVE, UH, 10. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT TIME? SIX. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS SIX FIVE. 
          I THOUGHT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I USE EVERY LAST MINUTE AVAILABLE SO THAT WE CAN BEAT THIS TOPIC THOROUGHLY TO DEATH. 
          . 
          SO IF, UH, IF COUNSEL WANTS TO HAVE, UH, A STATEMENT THAT IT'S UNAPPROVED, FLAWED METHODOLOGY, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          THE, UH, AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN ANY OTHER STUDIES. 
          NO. 
          AND REGARDING THE OHB RENTAL COMPANIES, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY, THEY HAVE NOT COMPLETED THEIR COMMITMENTS AS YET THEY'RE WORKING ON THEM. 
          WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WON'T COMPLETE THEM AS COMMITTED, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BEEN MADE CLEAR THUS FAR AFTER THEY DID THAT. 
          THEY'RE NOT DONE YET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT, THAT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          UM, AND LIKE COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO FULFILL THEIR COMMITMENTS BEFORE WE WOULD CHOOSE TO TAKE ANY OTHER ACTION. 
          SO BEYOND THAT, I LOOK FORWARD TO THOROUGHLY ADVOCATING AS VIGOROUSLY AS POSSIBLE THAT TOMORROW WE ELIMINATE ITEM 14 OFF OF THIS LIST. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I WAS GONNA, I WAS HOPING TO BRING IT BACK FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER HOUR, BUT, OKAY. 
          KAREN, DO YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION NOW? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO REAL QUICK, AIRPORT 15. 
          DO WE HAVE TIME FOR THE AIRPORT? NO. 
          OR YOU WANNA SAVE THAT FOR TOMORROW? WE CAN SAVE A TOMORROW WORKS FOR ME. 
          WE ARE ACTUALLY WAY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, SO WE'RE DOING, NEVER EVER TELL US THAT. 
          . 
          GOOD POINT. 
           
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NOT ADJOURNED. 
          WE'RE ADJOURNED. 
          NO, NOT ADJOURNED. 
          WELL, NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY RECESS. 
          RECESS. 
          MAYOR. 
          WE'RE NOT, I I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE ITEM ON, ON MITCHELL. 
          NO. 
          OH, . 
          NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I, I, I WANNA TALK ABOUT TOMORROW FOR A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON AND I HAD A, A NICE CHIT CHAT DURING, UH, ONE OF THE BREAKS, UH, ABOUT, SO HOW DO WE GO ABOUT, UH, NARROWING THIS LIST DOWN? AND, UH, SHE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF CRITERIA OF DOES THE ITEM INVOLVE ONGOING OR CONSIDER CONTINUING POLICY DECISION MAKING. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE. 
          AND THEN SECONDLY, WILL IT HAVE ONGOING, UM, OR PERIODIC BUDGET DECISIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT? AND, YOU KNOW, AT FIRST BLUSH, THAT STRUCK ME AS A COUPLE OF PRETTY GOOD CRITERIA BY WHICH TO LOOK AT THESE AND SAY, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THESE SHOULD STAY ON, OR NO THEY SHOULDN'T. 
          AND COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT AS FAR AS GIVING, UH, 2 CENTS ON HOW WE MIGHT, UH, PROCEED TOMORROW? YOU CAN SAY NO, IT'S OKAY. 
          OH, I, I UNDERSTAND AND I DON'T WANNA GO ON, I, I SORT OF MADE MY POINT BEFORE, BUT, BUT WHAT IS ON THE PRIORITY LIST I THINK HAS TO BE AT A POLICY LEVEL, AN ONGOING HIGH LEVEL POLICY LEVEL DECISION. 
          AND WHEN WE'VE MADE THE POLICY LEVEL DECISION FOR ME, IT GOES INTO ONGOING WORK. 
          AND, UH, COUNSELOR, FURMAN COUNSELOR, YOUR CHOICE MADE A POINT THAT 
          [08:00:01]
I THINK IS VERY GOOD BECAUSE BEING ON THE PRIORITY LIST SOMETIMES IN SOMETIMES AFFECTS STAFF AND MAKES IT SO THAT THEY, OH, THIS IS A PRIORITY. 
          I HAVE TO WORK HARDER ON THIS. 
          BUT THE, THAT DIRECTION SHOULD LIE WITH THE SUP SUPERVISOR OF, OF THE DEPARTMENT IF IT'S NOT ON THE PRIORITY LIST. 
          BUT IT WAS A PRIORITY THAT WAS FUNDED AND THE POLICY IS BASED ON ONGOING. 
          THAT'S KAREN'S JOB TO MAKE SURE IT STILL HAPPENS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON OUR ACTIVE PRIORITY LIST. 
          SO THAT'S MY ONLY POINT. 
          I HAD ENVISIONED THAT THIS DISCUSSION WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE UNDER ITEM ROMAN NUMERAL SIX TOMORROW, UM, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU FINALIZE THE PROGRAM. 
          SO IF WE COULD E IF YOU'RE STARTING IT NOW AND WE'RE ALL GONNA WANNA OPINE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WISE. 
          I THINK TOMORROW IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. 
          J ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST GET US THINKING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT WORK THROUGH THAT TOMORROW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M NOT WANTING TO PICK ON ANY LINE ITEM. 
          WELL, OTHER THAN WHAT WE JUST FINISHED, BUT WE CAN NEVER DO IT WITHOUT A LONG CONVERSATION. 
          IT'S JUST THE DNA VICE MAYOR TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR STAFF. 
          I SEE JOSH IN THE BACK AND I DON'T KNOW IF PICKLEBALL WILL TAKE MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES. 
          SO COULD WE DO THAT? AND THEN HE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TOMORROW, BUT WE LIKE TO SEE JOSH. 
          YEAH, LET'S CUT HIM A BREAK. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED AN UPDATE ON IT. 
          WELL, YOU DON'T, YOU SHOULD JUST COME OFF THE LIST. 
          TWO IN THE MORNING. 
          OKAY. 
          TAKE A BREAK. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HEARING NOTHING ELSE, WE'RE RECESSED STILL TOMORROW MORNING. 
          8:00 AM.
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