* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:04] OKAY. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WELCOME BACK. LET'S, UH, [3. SPECIAL BUSINESS] RESUME FROM OUR AGENDA HERE. WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH, UH, NUMBER 15, THE AIRPORT WHO'S GOING SPEAK AND ADDRESS THAT OVER THE AIRPORT. AIRPORT, YEAH, . IT'S OKAY. NO PROBLEM. WHAT WE STILL GETTING UP TO SPEED HERE THIS MORNING? I, I, ME TOO. . THERE'S NOT A, A LOT TO UPDATE ON THE AIRPORT ASSESSMENT. UM, WE DID JUST GET THEIR DRAFT ASSESSMENT REPORT. THIS IS FROM OUR CONSULTANT, JUST, JUST WITHIN A FEW DAYS. SO WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ANY I IDEA OF WHAT THE OUTCOMES ARE GONNA BE OR RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANY OF THAT SORT OF THING YET. BUT THAT WILL BE COMING HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, GET INTO THE REVIEW OF THAT AND ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO PROGRAM, UM, AN UPDATE WITH, WITH COUNSEL AND LIKELY THAT'S GONNA BE IN FEBRUARY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT DATE NAILED DOWN RIGHT NOW AS WELL. BUT WE WILL HAVE, UH, WE'LL HAVE A, A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT, UH, IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. SO, KAREN, LOOKS LIKE SHE HAS SOMETHING SHE WANTS TO SAY. YEAH, SO THE INITIAL SCOPE, UM, 'CAUSE WE WERE JUST TRYING TO STAY WITHIN BUDGET WITH THE CONSULTANT, WAS THAT THEY'RE REALLY CONDUCTING MORE OF SORT OF THE TECHNICAL REVIEW, THE FINANCIAL REVIEW, WHAT ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, AND THEY'LL BE COMING BACK WITH SOME FINDINGS, AN ANALYSIS ON THAT. A PHASE TWO OF THIS EFFORT WILL BE GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO IF, IF THOSE FINDINGS WERE JUST A NON-STARTER, LIKE NO CITY, YOU'D BE TAKING ON A, A HUGE FINANCIAL MESS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SUBSIDIZED. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT'LL THOSE WILL BE THE RESULTS, BUT IF IT WAS, THEN WE COULD MAKE A DECISION TO JUST SAY WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA NOT PURSUE THIS ANY FURTHER AND NOT GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC. IF THE FINDINGS SHOW THAT IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE, UM, IT WOULD NOT BE A FINANCIAL BURDEN. IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT THROUGH AIRPORT REVENUE AND NOT IMPACT OUR OTHER FUNDS. UM, THEN THE NEXT STEP BEFORE WE'D MAKE ANY DECISION WOULD BE GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND FINDING OUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY BELIEVES THE CITY SHOULD BE TAKING ON. SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE NEXT STEP. AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO KINDA GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR DOING THAT? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS IT SURVEYS, IS IT PUBLIC MEETINGS? HOW DO WE TAKE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE COMMUNITY? SO, UM, THOSE WILL BE THE, THE SUBSEQUENT STEPS ON THE AIRPORT ANALYSIS. OKAY. I THINK COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAS A QUESTION. KAREN ALREADY ANSWERED IT. I HAVE A QUESTION. VICE M MAYOR AND JESSICA, DID YOU, DO YOU HAVE AN EXPECTATION ABOUT WHEN THIS REPORT WILL BE AVAILABLE AND YOU'RE GONNA BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A WORK SESSION OR JUST AN UPDATE? SO WE'RE LOOKING TO SCHEDULE, UH, AN UPDATE, BUT BY THAT POINT, I THINK THE, THE REPORT SHOULD BE FINALIZED AND READY FOR PUBLIC, UM, ACCESS TO IT. SO I WOULD SAY WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS OF, OF THAT MEETING, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S LOOKING LIKE THAT'S LIKELY GONNA BE FEBRUARY 27TH. SO WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS OF, OF THAT MEETING, I WOULD, IT SHOULD BE READY. SO THE SECOND, OR THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING IN MARCH, UM, WE, WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE FIRST MEETING IN, UM, DID YOU SAY MARCH? YES. SO, UH, THE REPORT SHOULD BE, UH, IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IN DRAFT FORM PRIOR TO THAT FEBRUARY 27TH MEETING, BUT FINALIZED SOON AFTER. SO YEAH, FIRST PART OF MARCH IT SHOULD BE FINALIZED. THANK YOU. PETE, YOU HAD SOMETHING? YEAH, JUST THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST TO SET IN MY OWN MIND, SO FEBRUARY, MARCH WE'LL BE BACK, DO SOME TYPE OF SESSION WITH US. IF IT'S ALL GREEN LIGHT, THEN WE DO THE COMMUNITY PROCESS. HOW LONG IS THE COMMUNITY PROCESS? SO WE HAVE NOT YET DEVELOPED THE COMMUNITY PROCESS, RIGHT? BUT I'M THINKING WE COULD DO THAT IN, WITHIN LIKE A 60 DAY TIMEFRAME BETWEEN PROBABLY SOME SURVEY TYPE, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS THAT WOULD GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS MAYBE A PUBLIC MEETING OR TWO TO DISCUSS THE FINDINGS AND THE OPPORTUNITY AND WHAT THAT, [00:05:01] WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US. YEAH. UM, AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE COMMUNITY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THE LIST. HERE IS 12 TO 18 MONTHS TO DO SOMETHING. AND ARE WE ALREADY STARTING IN THAT 12 TO 18 MONTHS, OR IS THAT START YEAH, WE STARTED THE PROCESS BEFORE THE END OF LAST FISCAL YEAR, AND THE CONSULTANT HAS BEEN DOING THEIR WORK. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THIS SIDE? NOTHING. OKAY. OKAY. ITEM 16, PICKLEBALL COURTS. SANDY, WE CAN HAVE ANY STATUES THERE. HORSES. I NOT. SO WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. WE'VE STARTED DESIGN, THIS IS THE DESIGN WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH. THIS HAS BEEN RUN, UM, THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PARKS AND REC FOR EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK. UM, I WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. JUST FIRST OF ALL, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE IT SAYS, LET'S SEE, THERE WE GO. THIS AREA HERE, THIS IS JUST FUTURE, A POSSIBILITY OF SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING. IT SHOULD BE GRAYED OUT, AND IT'S NOT GRAYED OUT AT THIS TIME, BUT THAT'S JUST AN OPTION, UM, OF A POSSIBILITY. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT EIGHT COURTS PLANNED. UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE CREATING A, UH, CONTINUING THE LOOP OF THE SHARED USE PATH THAT WOULD GO UP AND AROUND THIS AREA YOU CAN SEE A PRETTY LARGE, UH, GREEN SPACE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING. AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PLANTING AREAS, UM, IN BETWEEN THE PARKING STALLS. THIS IS A ONE WAY, SO PEOPLE WILL ENTER IN HERE AND THEN GO OUT. UM, THERE'S A VERY BIG, UH, UNDERGROUND VAULT FOR BACKFLOW PREVENTION IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. SO THERE, THAT'S A CONSTRAINT FOR, UH, ADJUSTING AND PROPERTY LINES, ADJUSTING THIS INTERSECTION. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT BY HAVING ONE WAY. WE'VE GOT OUR A DA SPACES AND THEN A, A NICE GATHERING SPACE HERE. UM, THIS IS ALL, THERE'LL BE A, UM, THIS IS ALL DG AREA AND THE PARKING SPACES WILL BE DG. THE, UM, ONLY THE DRIVE AISLE WILL BE ASPHALT AT THIS TIME. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE OUR IMPACT. AND THEN WE'VE, WE'RE SHOWING SHADE STRUCTURES AND BLEACHERS, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT. THAT COULD BE SOMETHING FOR A LATER PHASE, DEPENDING ON HOW JOSH AND HOW BIG THIS BECOMES. UM, AND HOW POPULAR THERE, WE DON'T SHOW A BREAK IN BETWEEN THE FENCES RIGHT HERE, BUT WE WILL HAVE A BREAK IN THE FENCE, SO THAT WAY, UM, YOU CAN GET THE POLES. YEAH, . AND THEN, UM, JOSH HAD A GREAT IDEA. WE'RE GONNA PUT A, UM, A BACKSTOP UP HERE PROBABLY ON JUST ONE OF THE COURTS. YEP. JUST ONE. AND SO THAT WAY, UM, PEOPLE CAN WARM UP. AND THEN WE DID PUSH THIS AS FAR NORTH. THERE'S, UH, SUBSTANTIAL GRADE RIGHT HERE, BUT WE PUSHED IT, UM, AS FAR NORTH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN SO THAT WE CAN, UH, SAVE THESE TREES RIGHT HERE. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING TO NOTE IS THE CONCESSION STAND THAT HAS THE RESTROOMS RIGHT NOW NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. AND THAT IS IN OUR, UM, FY 25. WE'RE STARTING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. WE WILL MEET WITH PARKS AND, UM, TALK ABOUT, UH, GETTING THAT STARTED. SO ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO, THAT'S IT. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION ISN'T NECESSARILY ABOUT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, IT'S ABOUT THE PARK IN GENERAL. A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE STARTED WORKING ON A MASTER PLAN, AND THEN WE PUT THAT IN THE BACK BURNER, AND NOW WE'RE ADDING LOTS OF COMPONENTS TO THE PARK WHERE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MASTER PLAN. WHAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF PLANNING FOR IT? I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO CURRENT NEEDS, WHICH CHANGE OVER TIME. MM-HMM. . AND, AND THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. THE, THE PLANNING THAT WAS DONE WAS HEAVILY IN INFLUENCED BY SORT OF A FEW GROUPS. UM, THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY REFLECTIVE OF SORT OF A BROADER VISION, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THE NEEDS DO CHANGE OVER TIME. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE WOULD FIVE YEARS DISC GOLF AT FIVE YEARS AGO WASN'T SOMETHING THAT [00:10:01] WAS CONTEMPLATED, BUT IS IS WILDLY POPULAR. AND WE HAD A NICE OPPORTUNITY IN AN AREA THAT LENT ITSELF TO THAT. MM-HMM. , I THINK, YOU KNOW, PICKLEBALL IS ANOTHER THING THAT HAS BEEN AN EMERGING TREND. SO, SO I THINK THAT HASI GROUNDS AT THIS POINT IS LARGELY BUILT OUT. MM-HMM. , UM, SOME OF THE REMAINING AREAS ARE HILLSIDES AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE CONCESSION STAND, UM, AND POTENTIALLY SOME FUTURE PARKING, UH, ACQUISITION IMPROVEMENT THAT, THAT IS SLATED FOR POSSE GROUNDS INTO THE FUTURE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO MASTER PLANET. THERE IS NO, NO, THERE'S NOTHING TO MASTER PLAN ANYMORE, , UNLESS WE WERE TO COMPLETELY DEMOLISH EVERYTHING, WE JUST SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. GOT IT. OKAY. UH, PETE AND THEN KATHY AND JESSICA. THANKS MAYOR. IT'S EARLY. MY MIND IS STILL TRYING TO FATHOM A MAP. WHERE ARE THE TENNIS? WHERE ARE THE EXISTING TENNIS COURTS? THEY'D BE LIKE THE TOP LEFT. YEAH, RIGHT WHERE THE ARROW IS. SO THAT ROAD WHERE SHE WAS SHOWING THE ONE WAY COMES OUT WOULD BE THE ROAD OVER TO THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE OLD PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICE THERE. AND YOU POINTED OUT THAT AREA WHERE IT SHOULD BE GRAYED OUT FOR POTENTIALLY SOME EXTRA SPACING. ISN'T THAT WHERE THE CHARGERS ARE? THE CHARGERS ARE RIGHT BELOW THAT. YEAH, THEY'RE RIGHT BELOW IT. RIGHT THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT ORIENTATION, . SO THEN THE, AND THEN THE HUB RIGHT HERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. YEP. THAT HELPS ME. I'M NOT SURE WHICH WAY NORTH WAS THIS MORNING, BUT I GOT IT NOW. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, THE GRASS AREA, WELL, I DON'T WANNA OPEN THIS CAN OF WORMS, BUT I'M GONNA OPEN THIS CAN OF WORMS, , THE GRASS AREA, WHAT'S OUR INTENT THERE? AND I AM THINKING ABOUT THE CONNECTION, THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD ABOUT THE DOG PARK AND GRASS THERE AND VERSUS GRASS HERE, DOG RUNS AND THAT WHOLE CAN OF WORMS. BUT IT'S OPEN. PLEASE TAKE THE FLOOR. . YES. IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. IS THAT TOO, THAT IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY WHERE THERE'S A FENCE AROUND THAT AREA. AND IT COULD BE LIKE OUR YAPPY HOUR FIELD KIND OF THING AND SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD SLIDE THE FENCE BACK OPEN AND HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT'S USED FOR SOME EVENT SPACE TOO, AS PART OF A FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL OR THE EASTER EGG HUNT OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS TOO. SO IT WOULD JUST BE A OPEN SPACE WHERE IT CAN BE PEOPLE COME AND DO THEIR MORNING YOGA AND SIT ON THE BLANKET AND PLAY, BUT ALSO A GATE THAT COULD SHUT FENCING AREA WHERE IT COULD TURN INTO THE HAPPY HOUR SPACE AS WELL IF WE WENT THAT WAY. AND THAT'S THE REMNANTS OF EXISTING GRASS BALL FIELD ALREADY IRRIGATED. YES. BLAH, BLAH. YEP. YEP. AWESOME. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. KATHY? YES, SIR. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN LOOKED AT IN THAT MASTER PLAN THAT WE BACKED AWAY FROM, WHICH I AGREE WITH THAT, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE AND FLUID AND, AND REALLY GREAT USES OF THE PARK. AND REALLY, I, I'M A BIG, BIG FAN OF THE PARK AND I'M UP THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN IN A MASTER PLAN, UH, THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS A A A GARDEN AREA. A CHILDREN'S GARDEN. AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED, UH, IS THERE WHERE THAT IS OR IS IT ON THE TABLE OR NOT? AND AGAIN, HATE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS, BUT IT'S A QUESTION THAT'S WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S RESOLVED. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WILL BE ALONG THE SAME LINES ABOUT WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THE RECREATION BUILDING THAT THE FORMER RECREATION OFFICES THAT WERE THERE IS. BECAUSE I JUST, I SEE IT DETERIORATING A LITTLE BIT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT USE THERE IS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE A USE THAT WE COULD CONCEIVE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AT THIS POINT. WELL, I THINK I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CHILDREN'S GARDEN. PERFECT. I'LL DO THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. . UM, SO AT THE TIME IT WAS A GROUP, THE, OF A HANDFUL OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD A GREAT PASSION FOR CREATING A CHILDREN'S GARDEN THAT WOULD BE NOT JUST A GARDEN, BUT UM, A EDUCATIONAL SPACE AND STAGE AND, AND SCHOOLS GROUPS WOULD COME IN AND SO FORTH. AND ONE OF WHAT THE CITY HAD TALKED TO THEM ABOUT AT THE TIME WAS IF WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A PLOT OF LAND AT POSSE GROUNDS FOR THAT, THEN IT WOULD BE THEIR, THAT GROUP'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FORM A NONPROFIT FUNDRAISE AND, AND, AND BUILD THIS CHILDREN'S GARDEN THAT THEY ENVISIONED, UM, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, A PARTNERSHIP. AND THAT REALLY DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT GROUP IS NO LONGER CORRECT ACTIVE. SO AGAIN, IT'S THESE POINT [00:15:01] IN TIME KIND OF EFFORTS THAT SOMETIMES GET US IN TROUBLE IF WE HAVE A GROUP THAT IS PASSIONATE AND THE COMMUNITY GETS BEHIND IT, PARTICULARLY A FORM OF FUNDRAISING. WE SAW THAT WITH THE BIKE SKILLS PARK. WE SAW THAT WITH, WITH THE AMPHITHEATER. UM, THEN I THINK THIS THE CITY IS MORE APT TO, TO STEP IN AND TRY TO BE A PARTNER PROVIDING LAND OR OTHER RESOURCES TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THIS WAS ONE THAT REALLY JUST DIDN'T TAKE OFF. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT AS PART OF THE SEDONA, THERE IS A SEDONA GARDEN CLUB THAT STILL EXISTS. AND ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON IS DOING SOME SIGNAGE AROUND THE PARK, IDENTIFYING PLANTS. SO ALONG LIKE THE FITNESS TRAIL ESPECIALLY, THEY HAD AN INTERNSHIP WITH A STUDENT FROM NAU WHO'S IDENTIFYING ALL THE PLANTS ALONG THAT FITNESS TRAIL AND DOING SOME SIGNAGE MARKING LIKE WHAT THE PLAN IS, WHAT THE LATIN NAME IS, THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT'S DIFFERENT, BUT STILL A GARDEN CLUB PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON IN THE PARK TOO. AND FOR THE OLD PARKS AND RECREATION BUILDING, WHAT WE'RE USING IT FOR RIGHT NOW. SO IN THE PAST WHAT WE'VE DONE IS A LOT OF RENTALS WITH EVENTS. SO SPENDING A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RENTING STANCHIONS AND UM, DECORATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT FOR EVENTS IN PLACE OF THAT, WE'VE PURCHASED A LOT OF THOSE THINGS. SO WE PURCHASED A BUNCH OF STANCHIONS AND SOME OF THE DECOR FOR BREAKFAST WITH SANTA, INSTEAD OF RENTING IT AND ALL THAT, THAT'S ALL BEING STORED AT THAT PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICE. SO WE'VE DONE THAT AS A LOT OF STORAGE SPACE. UM, AND THEN AS WELL, THE CURRENT PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE USING THE PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICES AS THEIR RESTROOMS. SO THEY'RE GOING IN THERE FOR THEIR RESTROOMS THAT ARE NEARBY INSTEAD OF SNEAKING AROUND BACK AND USING THE TREES LIKE WAS SORT OF HAPPENING. AND THE PARK RANGERS ARE ALSO USING THAT AS SOME SPACE. SO THEY HAVE KIND OF THEIR TRASH PICKERS AND SOME SPRAY PAINT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE USING FOR THEIR STORAGE SPACE IN THAT PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICE TOO. AND THAT'S IT'S CURRENT PURPOSE. OKAY. AND, AND THEN NO FUTURE PLAN FOR ADAPTED PURPOSES THERE? NO, NONE REALLY IN MIND. UM, IF SO, WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER SPACE TO STORE A LOT OF THOSE. OKAY. BIG CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS, WREATHS, THE GIANT GLITTER BAY OR SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND SO, NO, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ON THIS SIDE THEN? NO. OKAY. I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE. UH, LET ME SEE. I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS IN THE, FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU, THAT LIVE IN THE AREA SURROUNDING THE PARK. I KNOW IT'S A, A DISTANCE AWAY. THAT WAS THE OPTION THAT WE CHOSE. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING BEING DONE FOR SOUND MITIGATION FROM THE SOUNDS OF THE BALLS? THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME KIND OF A ON THE FENCE SOUND BARRIER? YES. YES. SO AROUND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, WE WILL HAVE THE SOUND SCREEN UP, WHICH SERVES AS A WIND SCREEN AND A LITTLE BIT OF A SOUND BARRIER. IT'LL ALSO BE BETTER IN THIS LOCATION THAN WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS BECAUSE IT'S SUNKEN DOWN IN THE BASEBALL FIELD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, HAS THE SLOPE ALONG THAT BACKSIDE. THAT'LL ALL WORK. WORK IS SOME SOUND MITIGATION THERE TOO. UM, SO YES, WE'RE CONFIDENT WHERE IT IS. IT'LL BE FAR LESS OF A NOISE CONCERN THAN IT EVEN IS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THERE ARE THOSE STEPS. OKAY. AND I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH THE, I DUNNO IF IT'S TWO CHAIRMAN OR A CHAIRMAN AND ASSISTANT CHAIRMAN FROM THE LOCAL PICKLEBALL GROUP. AND THEY'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING, THE OUTREACH THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING, THEY FEEL THEY REALLY LISTENED TO AND THEY HAVE ACTUAL BUY-IN. SO I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. I MEAN, YOU DO THAT WITH ALL THE PROJECTS, BUT I'VE BEEN RECEIVING ACTUALLY ABOUT ONCE A MONTH I GET A PHONE CALL FROM A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FROM THE GROUP AND THEY'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD. AND WE'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO OUR LOCAL EXPERT AS WELL. CHIEF GOTTEN HER FEEDBACK AS WELL. THAT'S WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT, . SO, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE THEY, WE CUT THEM LOOSE? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. THE ERP SYSTEM NUMBER 17. I GUESS THAT'S SHERRY AND CHUCK. OH, AND CHUCK. SURE. I GUESS CHUCK USED COORDINATED TOO. NICE. OH, FOR HOLIDAY. JOANNA TOMORROW, RIGHT? JUST IF SHE HAD A BLACK BEARD TOO. I DIDN'T THINK SO. [00:20:08] YOU SURE? HI. LIKE, HERE YOU GO. MORNING. MORNING. GOOD MORNING CHUCK. UH, AN UPDATE ON THE ERP UM, CONSULTANT FIRM WAS SELECTED, UH, CONTRACT APPROVED IN OCTOBER. THERE'S A KICKOFF MEETING IN NOVEMBER. UM, THE, UH, DISCOVERY MEETINGS WILL START, UM, ON JANUARY 30TH AND LAST A HANDFUL OF DAYS. AND THAT'S WHERE, UM, THEY GO AROUND TO ALL THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, INTERVIEW 'EM, SEE WHAT THEY'RE USING, TRY TO GET IDEAS, YOU KNOW, USE THEIR EXPERIENCE AND HOPEFULLY HELP SELECT A UH, VENDOR. WE'VE ALSO SENT 'EM A LARGE LIST OF SOFTWARE THAT WE USE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO START WITH AND, AND ASK, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AS, DO AS MUCH CONSOLIDATION AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND THAT'S GONNA START, UH, IN, UH, THE END OF JANUARY. I FIGURE IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, WHAT, A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO, UM, BEFORE IT'S FULLY IMPLEMENTED. UM, AT AT LEAST, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'D BE QUICK AFTER SOFTWARE SELECTION. UM, IN THEIR PROPOSAL, THEY WERE GUESSING BETWEEN UM, 18 TO 24 MONTHS. BUT IT COMPLETELY DEPENDS UPON HOW MANY MODULES THAT WE END UP CHOOSING AND WHATEVER MAY BE HAPPENING AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON IT. IN THE OLD ERP SYSTEM, AS YOU KNOW, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, BEYOND END OF LIFE, SO ON SO FORTH, WE CAN'T PATCH IT ANYMORE. UH, SO WHAT WE DID IN FOR THE INTERIM IS, UH, WE UPGRADED IT, UH, FOR THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE, UH, SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT STILL IN-HOUSE. WE BROUGHT IT. UM, WE'RE BRINGING IT UP TO THE, UH, THE LAST VERSION THEY HAVE FOR AN IN-HOUSE VERSION. AND, UM, THAT SHOULD BE TO RUN ON A MODERN SERVER AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PATCH IT. UM, WE STARTED WORKING ON THAT LAST SPRING. UH, AND UM, THE, UH, GO LIVE KICKOFF IS GONNA BE, NOT TO GO LIVE, BUT THE PROCESS TO GET IT READY TO GO LIVE IS GONNA BE IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY. SO I'M FIGURING IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, FEBRUARY WE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN THE CLEAR SAFETY BREATHING ROOM FOR A COUPLE YEARS WHILE WE WORK ON THE NEW ERP SYSTEM. SCOTT? YES, JESSICA, IF IT'S A QUESTION, I HAVE ONE. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE CONSULTANT IS GOING TO STAY UNDER CONTRACT THROUGH INSTALLATION. IS IT GOING TO BE THROUGH SORT OF YOUR LEARNING PERIOD AS WELL AS YOU IMPLEMENT IT? HOW, HOW LONG INTO THE PROCESS ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE HAVING THE CONSULTANT? UM, YEAH. SO THEY WILL SEE US THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE, WHICH INCLUDES LEARNING AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS SET UP OKAY. UM, AND THAT DATA HAS TRANSITIONED OVER CORRECTLY AND THAT WE'RE LIKE IN A, A GO LIVE MODE. AND PART OF THIS EFFORT, AS YOU MENTIONED, CONSOLIDATION IS KIND OF GETTING RID OF STUFF YOU DON'T REALLY NEED AND PUTTING IN STUFF. I MEAN, NEVERMIND I TAKE THAT BACK. THIS IS SOMETHING I DON'T UNDERSTAND, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. IT'S BASICALLY TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE WITHIN ONE VENDOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE VENDORS POINTING FINGERS AT EACH OTHER SAYING, IT'S NOT ME, IT'S THEM. KATHY, SO MY QUESTION IS, SO SINCE THE, YOU HAVE THE VENDOR SELECTED, IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION, WHAT ON THIS WOULD BE COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL? ANYTHING AT THIS POINT? UH, YES. SO THE, THE FIRST PHASE IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND IDENTIFY WHAT SOFTWARE SYSTEM WILL, WILL END UP GOING WITH WHAT MODULES, ALL OF THAT. SO THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL AT THIS, AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO ALL WE'VE REALLY COME TO COUNCIL WITH SO FAR IS THE HIRING OF THE CONSULTANT. WE'RE GONNA WORK ON ALL OF THIS, DETERMINING WHAT IT IS, WHAT SYSTEM WE WANT, WHAT MODULES WE WANT, AND THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO SAY, OKAY, NOW HERE'S A CONTRACT THAT WE WANT TO HAVE APPROVED WITH, UM, THE VENDOR FOR THE SOFTWARE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SPEED. PETE, I REALLY JUST WANTED TO REMARK, CHUCK, THAT YOU USED ALL THE WORDS THAT MAKES ME SUPER HAPPY. WE PUT THIS ON PRIORITY LIST AND GOT THIS MOVING. ARE YOU BOTH STILL ENTHUSIASTIC AND SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING FORWARD? OH YEAH. IT'S A LOT OF WORK. IT'S GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK AND, AND THE ROLLOUT PROCESS WILL BE INTERESTING DEPENDING ON THE VENDOR. WHETHER YOU CAN DO MODULE ROLLOUTS FIRST OR WHETHER YOU GOTTA HAVE A GREAT BIG TURN ON DAY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. IT'S GONNA BE AN INTERESTING RIDE. AND I'M GRATEFUL THE WORDS THAT I HEAR THAT WE'RE DOING IT, [00:25:01] THIS IS A, A GOOD THING TO DO. AND I THINK MAYBE PART OF REACTING TO WHAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAD ASKED, AND AS WE THINK ABOUT OUR PRIORITY SETTING PROCESS, THE WAY I THINK ABOUT THIS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT I AM CURIOUS, I HAD THE SAME KIND OF QUESTION IS IF NATURALLY NOW THAT THIS IS A PROJECT YOU'RE COMMITTED TO, WHETHER YOU ARE GONNA COME BACK AND REPORT TO US AT SOME KIND OF INTERVAL, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD PROCESS, AND YOU WOULD, AND THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT AND I WOULD THINK MORE THAT THINGS THAT ARE ON THE PRIORITY LIST ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT ENHANCED KIND OF VISIBILITY AND DISCUSSIONS WITH. BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. BUT I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTION KATHY ASKED YOU. THE ANSWER YOU GAVE US IS YES, WE WOULD NORMALLY COME, WE THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE STAGES WHERE WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU FOR DECISIONS AND FOR UPDATING JUST AS PART OF YOUR NORMAL PROCESS. 'CAUSE IT'S THAT BIG A PROJECT. CORRECT. THE PART OF WHAT THE CONSULTANTS WILL DO IS COMMUNICATION AND IF YOU WANT SOME OF THAT COMMUNICATION TO INCLUDE COUNSEL, THAT IS COMPLETELY FINE. BUT FOR SURE WITH ACROSS THE CITY AND THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE ACROSS THE CITY THAT ARE REALLY PART OF THIS TEAM, THAT THERE WILL BE EXTENSIVE COMMUNICATION THROUGHOUT THE, THE PROJECT. AND SO WE CAN ALSO PROVIDE STATUS FOR, FOR COUNCIL. AWESOME. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANKS MAYOR. I'M THINKING SIMILAR TO THIS END OF THE TABLE OF THIS PROJECT. UH, HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU PUT IN 25 BUDGET IN YOUR PROJECTIONS FOR THIS PROJECT? UM, SO IT, IT'S BASED OFF OF WHAT WE PUT IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 CIP PLAN AND WE JUST PUT IN A WAG AT THAT POINT IN TIME, RIGHT. FOR 2 MILLION FOR THE SOFTWARE SIDE. UM, BUT WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA ONCE WE KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT MODULES WE'RE GONNA BE REQUESTING, UM, AND WHICH SYSTEM WE'LL END UP GOING WITH. 'CAUSE THERE COULD BE A FAIRLY WIDE VARIETY OF PRICES IN THE SYSTEM. RIGHT. DO YOU THINK YOU'LL HAVE THAT IN TIME FOR THE BUDGET? IS THAT YOUR EXPECTATION? UH, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A, A DECENT IDEA OF, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE OVER A PHASED PERIOD OF TIME. SO EVEN IF WE'RE STILL AT A WAG FOR 25, WE CAN ADJUST IN 26 FOR WHATEVER THE CONTINUATION OF THE PROJECT IS. WAG HIGH . YES. COUNCIL FUL. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, YOU ARE PLANNING ON CLOUD-BASED SOFTWARE, NOT ON-PREM, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA WEIGH THINGS. UH, THERE'S ADVANTAGES TO BOTH. THERE'S DISADVANTAGES TO BOTH OF THEM. UM, THE ADVANTAGE TO HAVING IT ON PREMISE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S MAKING IT ON PREMISE ANYMORE, IS YOU'VE GOT THE DATA DATA READILY AVAILABLE. YOU COULD HAVE APPLICATIONS ACCESS IT. UM, OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LIVE DATA THAT WE HAVE UP THERE OR THE TRANSPARENCY, UH, IF WE ENTER IN SPRINGBROOK RIGHT NOW, IT APPEARS ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT AWAY. UM, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES. ALSO SECURITY. BUT ODDS ARE IT'S GONNA WIND UP BEING A WEB-BASED, YOU KNOW, CLOUD-BASED, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY EVERYONE'S GOING. UH, THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IS IT'S EASIER FOR THE VENDOR TO MAKE UPDATES. UH, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN CONTROL. THEY MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY. , . UM, WELL IT'S A SLOW BURN, RIGHT? I MEAN, INSTEAD OF A BIG UPFRONT, IT'S JUST A CONSTANT BURN YEAH. OF CASH, BUT IT'S A LOT SAFER IN THE LONG HAUL. SO I MEAN, I'VE BEEN CONSULTING IN THIS FOR YEARS, SO ANYWAYS, DON'T NEED TO GO INTO IT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU WERE PLANNING ON. THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, THIS PARTICULAR CONSULTANT CONSULTING FIRM TALKED ABOUT TOO, WHEN WE ASKED ABOUT CLOUD WAS THEY SAID THEY'RE STARTING TO SEE PEOPLE WANTING TO GO BACK TO ON-PREMISE, UM, MORE THAN CLOUD. DON'T DO IT. NO, DON'T DO IT. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE TREND BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE CLOUD, THE SECURITY ISSUE, NO SECURITY ISSUES. OKAY. UM, I HAVE SOME MORE DEEPER DIVE QUESTIONS I'LL SAY FOR ANOTHER TIME. THAT'S NOT FOR NOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THEM? ALRIGHT, GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU. OKAY, STEVE, I GUESS YOU'RE UP AGAIN. YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING, MR. [00:30:01] MAYOR. MADAM VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. GOOD MORNING. YOU TOO. GOOD MORNING. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU STEVE. MIKE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I'M HERE TO, UH, DISCUSS THE, UH, UPDATE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND, UM, BASICALLY THE REASONS WHY IT'S BEING PUSHED FORWARD. UM, I NEVER KNOW WHEN I SAY PUSH FOR PUSHED FURTHER AWAY, AWAY. OH, THAT'S BAD NEWS. YES. WELL, SO A COUPLE THINGS. UH, BASED UPON STAFF TURNOVER BASED UPON SOME OF OUR BIG PROJECTS, THE, UH, OF, OF COURSE THE COMMUNITY, UM, PLAN, UM, THE CULTURAL PARK MASTER PLAN, WE'RE GONNA BE DEEP INTO THAT, THE UPDATES OF THE BUILDING CODES. UM, AND, UH, IN ALL PRACTICALITY, UH, IF I GO BACK TO THE STAFF ISSUE RIGHT NOW TO 14 PEOPLE, EIGHT ARE EITHER NEW OR NEW POSITIONS IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. SO WE'RE STILL TRAINING STAFF, UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE ONE STAFF MEMBER THAT, UH, HAS THE ABILITY TO RETIRE LUCKY HER, UM, IN MARCH. SO WE MIGHT BE AT NINE OUT OF 14, UH, IN THAT POSITION. SO, UM, BASED UPON ALL THOSE FACTORS, UH, AND WE ARE CREATING MORE PARTNERSHIPS WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER IT BE WITH, UM, I'M GONNA PULL OUT MY, UH, MY LIST HERE, WHETHER IT BE HOUSING WITH ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE HAND IN HAND WITH THEM, SUSTAINABILITY IN THEIR PROGRAMS, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, PARKING COORDINATOR THAT MIGHT BE COMING UP. SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE WORKING INTO, UM, KIND OF DELAYING THE PROSPECT OF PUTTING OUT AN RFP FOR THE CONSULTANT, UH, TO, UH, DO THE FULL UPDATE. AND I SAY THE FULL UPDATE OF THE LDC BECAUSE WE STILL INTEND TO UPDATE THE LDC AS WE DO YEARLY WITH THE LOW HANGING FRUIT WITH THE THINGS THAT WE FIND, UH, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT WE PUT ON OUR LIST. WE'RE STILL INTENDING TO COME THROUGH AND UPDATE THE LDC IN THOSE REGARDS, BUT FOR THE FULL OVERHAUL, UM, TO, UH, UH, TO BRING IT UP TO, UH, THE CURRENT STANDARDS AND, AND, AND THE, UH, NEW COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, POLICIES. UM, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, DO THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 26 UNLESS DIRECTED OTHERWISE WISE. OKAY. BRIAN HAS A QUESTION AND THEN POSSIBLY PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, NOT PICKING ON YOU, STEVE, THIS SEEMS LIKE A PROJECT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PERPETUALLY LIKELY TO GET KICKED DOWN THE CURB, UH, BECAUSE OF STAFFING. AND STRATEGICALLY, I JUST WONDER IF WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHERE TO UTILIZE OUTSOURCED RE OUTSIDE, RE OUTSIDE RESOURCES. RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO RECRUIT AND PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF TURNOVER IN THE DEPARTMENT. UH, THE SKILLSET IS NOT ONE THAT IS INTENSELY UNIQUE ACROSS THE STATE OR THE COUNTRY, BUT IT IS LOCALLY, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T WE BUILD MORE STABILITY INTO THE DEPARTMENT BY MAKING USE OF SOME THIRD PARTY CONSULTANTS, UH, FOR THE LONG HAUL, BE THEY DOWN IN THE VALLEY REGIONALLY, WHEREVER THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YEAH, THERE'S SOME LEARNING CURVE AND SO FORTH, BUT ISN'T THE NATURE OF AT LEAST A GOOD PORTION OF THE WORK HAPPENING? SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE REMOTELY AND DOESN'T REQUIRE BOOTS ON THE GROUND HERE, OR IF THEY'RE IN THE VALLEY, THEY COME UP, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER WEEK FOR A DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT JUST, AND IT'S NOT JUST YOUR DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, PUBLIC WORKS IS CONSTRAINED WITH PROJECT MANAGEMENT, AVAILABILITY, ET CETERA. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS TOPIC EXTENDS BEYOND YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MORE SERIOUSLY LOOK AT OF OUTSOURCING KEY, UH, FUNCTION, NOT THE WHOLE FUNCTION, BUT STAFF, UM, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF TELEWORKING, THINGS LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF PUTTING SO MUCH PRESSURE ON OURSELVES TO HIRE LOCAL PEOPLE. SO, NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED INTO THAT AND I JUST RECENTLY, UM, COMPLETED A CONTRACT WITH A FIRM, UH, DOWN IN THE VALLEY, UH, FOR, UH, TO HELP US, [00:35:01] UH, WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, UH, WHEN WE GET OVERLOADED. SO WE ARE LOOKING IN INTO THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. AND THAT'S ON THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW SIDE. SO THE, THE, THE BIGGER ISSUE WITH THIRD PARTY HAS BEEN ON THE PLANNING SIDE, RIGHT? ON THE ZONING SIDE, WE HAVE BEEN USING THIRD PARTY ON THE BUILDING SAFETY SIDE FOR YEARS. MM-HMM. , WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE, WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE EXPLORED A COUPLE OF FIRMS WHO WE GAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, TEST PLAN REVIEWS TO CONDUCT THAT WERE WHOLLY UNSUCCESSFUL. MM-HMM, , UM, NOT THAT FOLKS COULDN'T LEARN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT IT IS, IT IS UNIQUE AND A BIT COMPLEX. THOSE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT IN AN OVERHAUL OF THE LDC WE CAN TRY TO ADDRESS OR SIMPLIFY TO MAKE THAT EASIER. BUT LIKE STEVE SAID, WE HAVE NOW IDENTIFIED ANOTHER FIRM THAT WE'RE HOPEFUL WOULD, WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, BE MORE RESPONSIVE AND, AND BE MORE PROFICIENT AT BEING ABLE TO DO THOSE REVIEWS. SO WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO TEST THAT AS WELL. SO THAT'S STILL ON THE BUILDING REVIEW? RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL? BOTH? NO, ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT SIDE. SO ON THE PLANNING OH REALLY? ON THE PLANNING SIDE. OKAY. THAT, THAT, THAT'S THIS NEW CONTRACT THAT'S STEVE JUST REFERRED TO. OKAY. SO WE'RE TRYING AGAIN OKAY. ON THAT SIDE. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IF WE CAN, CAN FIND THAT KIND OF RESOURCE, CERTAINLY THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US. GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE STILL TRYING. DON'T GIVE UP. THANK YOU . WE ARE. THANK YOU. SO STEVE, I QUESTION, UH, COUNCIL FULTZ. SO SAY YOU WERE TO FIND SOMEBODY, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE CHECKED OVER AND REVIEWED BY YOUR STAFF JUST TO BE SURE IT MEETS THE ISSUES. HOW MUCH EXTRA TIME IS NOW SPENT? I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE SAVING SOME TIME, BUT WOULDN'T YOU STILL BE INCURRING A LOT OF STAFF TIME JUST TO GO OVER THOSE, UH, PLANS THAT WERE DONE? UH, YES. AND, AND I DO HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. UM, AS KAREN HAD STATED, WE'VE BEEN USING THIRD PARTY, UM, TO HELP OUR OVERLOAD ON THE BUILDING SAFETY SIDE AND THE BUILDING SAFETY PLAN REVIEWS. SO YES, UM, THROUGH THAT PROCESS THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, LET'S SAY THREE MONTHS OF INTENSIVE OVERSIGHT OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS. AND THEN A CONSTANT PULL A FEW SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING, UM, ALWAYS TALKING WITH OUR, OUR, OUR APPLICANTS AND, UH, GETTING THEIR FEEDBACK. AND SO YES, THERE IS, THERE IS SOME OF THAT, UM, THAT HAS TO BE BUILT INTO THAT PROCESS. ABSOLUTELY. BUT IT'S STILL HYPER INTENSIVE. IT, YES. BUT IN THE END, IF YOU DO FIND A GOOD FIRM AND YOU CAN SET THOSE PARAMETERS, UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY DECENT FIRM RIGHT NOW ON BUILDING SAFETY SIDE. THE PROBLEM WE'RE FINDING IS THAT INDUSTRY IS SET UP MORE ON THE BUILDING SAFETY SIDE THAN IT IS ON THE PLANNING SIDE. GOTCHA. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY, UM, ENGAGE WITH, UH, PLANNING FIRMS OR ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS AND THEY DON'T REALLY DO PLAN REVIEWS. SO, UM, WHEN, AS KAREN SAID, WHEN GIVEN THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AND WE'VE GIVEN THEM TESTS, UM, AND, UH, THEY'RE JUST, THAT INDUSTRY IS NOT THERE. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE IT. OKAY. BRIAN, YOU WANNA JUST FINISH UP AND THEN WE'LL GO TO JESSICA? YEAH. WAS NEXT. YOU KNOW, MAYOR, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT OVERSIGHT, LIKE TO ME, IF YOU HIRE SOMEBODY NEW OFF THE STREET AS A LOCAL FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, YOU GOTTA PROVIDE THE SAME DEGREE OF OVERSIGHT. SO TO ME, HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN USING A THIRD PARTY? I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME, YOU STILL HAVE TO ENSURE THE SAME STANDARD, IT'S THE SAME OVERSIGHT, ET CETERA, FOR THREE MONTHS AND THEN PERIODIC AUDITS, RIGHT? YES. AND I, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. UM, BUT THERE IS A DEGREE OF THAT THAT IS DIFFERENT. UM, WHEN YOU HIRE AN EMPLOYEE, THEY'RE VESTED, THEY'RE VESTED IN THE WORK. UM, WE'RE THERE EVERY DAY. WE'RE INTERACTING WITH THEM EVERY DAY. WHEN WE HIRE A FIRM, WE DON'T OFTEN GET THE SAME PERSON DOING THE PLAN REVIEW EACH TIME. AND, UM, THEY HAVE TURNOVER AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN WITH THEM. BUT IT'S MORE ALONG THE VESTED INTEREST. MM-HMM. , UM, THAT WHEN WE HIRE SOMEBODY, UM, WE ARE GETTING SOMEBODY THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, GETS INTO, UM, UH, OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AS OPPOSED TO A FIRM JUST DOING ANOTHER JOB. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SEARCHING FOR A SINGLE SHINGLE CONSULTANTS [00:40:02] WOULD BE A BETTER AVENUE THAN A FIRM IN THAT REGARD? THAT WE TRIED THAT AND ACTUALLY, UM, THAT IS THE TYPE OF FIRM THAT WE JUST CONTRACTED WITH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. VICE MAYOR AND THEN JESSICA. SO I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER, SOME OF WHICH WAS DUE TO RETIREMENTS. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN THE DEPARTMENT FOR A LONG TIME, SOME OF WHICH WAS DUE TO OTHER THINGS. UH, DO YOU, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD OFFER, THERE'S SOME BETTER WAY? 'CAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE, YOU'RE TWO LAST LONG STANDING PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT SOON, RIGHT? YES. YES. AND AT ALL THAT HISTORY KNOWLEDGE IS GONNA BE GONE. YES. UM, THE UNDERLYING THEMES THAT WE SEE ARE THE HOUSING. UM, A AS KAREN BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY, UM, OUR LAST PLANNER LEFT FOR, UH, PRESCOTT VALLEY FOR A 25% INCREASE IN THE SAME JOB. UM, SO IT, IT'S THOSE THINGS. IT'S, UH, HAVING, UH, YOUNGER STAFF THAT AFTER BEING HERE, UH, REALIZE THEY'D RATHER BE DOWN IN THE VALLEY WHERE THERE'S MORE SOCIAL LIFE. SO, UM, WE'VE EXPERIENCED TURNOVER IN A GREAT PART BECAUSE OF THOSE THREE THINGS. WHICH LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I DISCUSSED WITH KAREN LAST NIGHT. THE, WE HA WE, WE HEARD FROM SHANNON, AND WE HAVE ALL THESE PROJECTS, POTENTIAL PROJECTS, THEY'RE ALL OUT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS AT BEST. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEING DONE IN THE VALLEY, PHOENIX AND NOW TUCSON, IS TO ALLOW FOR KITCHENS AND ADUS AND TO CREATE ADDITIONAL HOUSING THROUGH ADUS IF WE WAIT FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISION. AND THAT'S GETTING PUSHED OFF TO 26. WE'RE PUSHING OFF A, A CONVERSATION ABOUT AUS FOR SEVERAL YEARS WHERE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING IMMEDIATE, MORE IMMEDIATE AS A HOUSING SOLUTION. SO I KNOW, KURT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND YOU WANTED TO WAIT TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY, UH, LEGAL ISSUES THAT AROSE WITH THOSE ORDINANCES. ARE YOU STILL OF THAT SAME MINDSET? YES, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. I, MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO, TO WAIT TO SEE THE LEGALITY OF THE RESTRICTIONS THEY'RE PLACING ON ADUS. UM, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY BUILT UNDER THE NEW A DU, UH, ORDINANCE IN PHOENIX, AND SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A CHANCE FOR ANYONE TO BUILD ONE YET, AND A CHANCE FOR ANYONE TO TRY TO USE IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL YET, AND TO SEE IF PHOENIX IS ABLE TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE THAT YET. SO MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO WAIT AT LEAST A YEAR OR SO. UM, UNLESS YOU FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HIT A PLATEAU ON WHERE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE, UM, AND THEN MAYBE MORE ADUS WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS, THAT CONVERS NOT NOW, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TEED UP FOR EXEC SESSIONS. SO YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME LEGAL ADVICE TO US, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE I, I WANNA US TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS IT AND, AND WEIGH, UH, OUR OPTIONS THERE. THE RISKS AND REWARDS, CERTAINLY. SO IN REFERENCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE OVERHAUL OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, I DO THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT EXIST MORE IN A VACUUM AND DON'T HAVE THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCE OF WORKING AT CROSS PURPOSES WITH OTHER POLICY GOALS. I THINK A D'S IS ONE OF THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, PENDING A CONVERSATION, UM, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND, AND MAKING SOME DECISIONS THERE, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED. AS STEVE MENTIONED, UM, THIS LAST YEAR WE'VE DONE TWO LOW HANGING FRUIT AMENDMENTS TO, TO THE LDC THAT ARE MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, ISOLATED ISSUES THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, HAVING NEGATIVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ON OTHER THINGS. SO I, I CERTAINLY THINK THE A DU CONVERSATION COULD HAPPEN IN ADVANCE OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT TO US AND WE DECIDED TO HOLD OFF UNTIL WE COULD DO THE ENTIRE L-D-U-L-D-C UPDATE. WELL, AND I THINK WHAT WE DECIDED AT THAT TIME, 'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WHAT WHAT WE BROUGHT [00:45:01] FORWARD IN THE SPRING WAS A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO THE GUEST HOUSE PROVISION THAT WOULD ALLOW FULL KI KITCHENS. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE A DU, BUT SAME IDEA. YEAH. UM, AND THE REASON THAT WE, THAT I RECOMMENDED THAT WE HOLD OFF ON THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE. IT REALLY HAD TO DO WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER PRECEDENT SETTING, UM, POLICIES OR ORDINANCES THAT WERE BEING PURSUED BY OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WANTING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE RESTRICTIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTING OF ADUS WOULD PLAY OUT LEGALLY BEFORE WE JUST ALLOWED THEM WITH NO RESTRICTIONS TO BEING USED AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE CAN REVISIT THIS AT ANY TIME THAT WE FEEL LEGALLY COMFORTABLE TO DO SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, JESSICA AND, UH, PETE GOING TO FORGET YOU. YEAH, I'M REALLY CONCERNED I GUESS ABOUT THE LDC BECAUSE WE, WE HA WE HAVE NOBODY NOW ON STAFF TO DO LONG-TERM PROJECTS. I MEAN, WE DON'T, DO WE, DO WE HAVE, WHO ARE WE GONNA HAVE ON THE CULTURAL PARK? ARE YOU GONNA BE THE HEAD FOR THE CULTURAL PARK PLANNING EFFORT? I MEAN, WE HAVE TWO MASSIVE, WE HAVE THAT COMING, WHICH WE CAN'T PUT OFF. AND THAT'S WHY THE LDC JUST GETS PUTTING BACK, I GUESS FOR THE LDCI JUST SEE THAT AS CRITICAL BECAUSE ADU ARE ONE ASPECT OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE CHANGES THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE SMALL HOMES AND DIFFERENT CON DIFFERENT KINDS OF HOUSING HERE THAT WE REALLY NEED AND WOULD REALLY BE APPROPRIATE FOR A LOT OF SILLY SITES THAT WE HAVE. AND SO I AM JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHOLE HOUSING LDC BUILDING CODE AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING. UM, AND WITHOUT A CHANGE IN, IN THOSE TO ACCOMMODATE NEW TYPES OF HOUSING, WE'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH EIGHT PROJECTS SORT OF IN A QUEUE, WHICH ARE GONNA TAKE FIVE YEARS TO GET EVEN STARTED OR, OR SO, AND IT'S A, IT'S, I THINK IT'S, FOR ME, IT'S A REAL PROBLEM. CAN I HEAR A RESPONSE FROM SOMEBODY ON THAT? SURE, SURE. AS FAR AS THE STAFFING GOES, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THAT PERSON IS GOING TO RETIRE. UM, BUT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY, UM, WE ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT OUR STAFFING AND HOW TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT. UM, OUR TWO NEW PLANNERS ARE BEING TRAINED, UH, SO THAT, UH, CARRIE CAN BE, UM, HAVE HAVE MORE TIME ON HER HANDS TO DO OTHER THINGS. UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING, WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER POSITION TO FILL. UM, SO, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE STAFFING MEASURES FOR THOSE VERY SAME REASONS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND THE CULTURAL PARK WILL BE, UH, PREDOMINANTLY MUCH OF THE WORK IS GONNA BE DONE BY THAT, UH, CONSULTANT THAT WE HIRE. YEAH. BUT AS WE'VE POINTED OUT, I THINK KAREN'S POINTED HOW MUCH TIME IT AT STAFF TIME, IT TAKES KNOWLEDGEABLE STAFF TIME TO DIRECT CONSULTANTS ON THESE BIG PROJECTS. I MEAN, I THINK ANY CONSULTANT CAN SORT OF COME IN AND AND DESIGN, BUT IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, BUT I, I HEAR YOUR ANSWER AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M TALK ABOUT THE LDC AND THE HOUSING, YES OR NO. I MEAN, IN TERMS OF IT BEING CRITICAL TO BEING ABLE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DIFFERENT IT NEEDS, I THINK OUR REGULATIONS HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT. AND I THINK THIS IS PART OF WHAT THE, UM, THE STATE ZONING OVERRIDE IS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT COMMUNITIES ARE REALLY, AREN'T DOING ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE KIND OF HOUSING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND SO IS THAT, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? AND IS THE LDC REVISION CRITICAL TO THAT OR NOT? SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE EXPLORED THAT MIGHT, UM, MIGHT PLAY INTO ALLOWING ADDITIONAL HOUSING COULD BE DUPLEXES OR TRIPLEXES AND SINGLE FAMILY. RIGHT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT, I WOULD JUST ASK WHAT OTHER [00:50:01] TYPES OF HOUSING, UM, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A PROVISION FOR? I, I WOULD ARGUE THAT CHANGING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL OPENED UP A A GREAT DEAL OF OPPORTUNITY. WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT PLAY OUT IN A COUPLE PROJECTS. UM, AND I THINK THAT, SO THINGS LIKE TINY HOMES WE DID IN THE LAST LDC UPDATE MAKE A PROVISION FOR THAT AND, AND CO-HOUSING. SO WE DO HAVE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL KINDS OF HOUSING. MM-HMM. . AND WE HAVE EVEN MORE DISCRETION WHEN WE APPLY THE DIGA IF IT'S TRULY A DEEDED RESTRICTED, AFFORDABLE PROJECT. SO I, I DO THINK THAT A LAND DEVELOPMENT OVERHAUL, THAT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING ISSUE MIGHT BE THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY THEN. CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? THAT'S, I MEAN, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT? I THINK THAT, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE STAFFING TO DO THAT? SO I LET HER FINISH. OKAY. I'M JUST CLARIFYING WHAT MY QUESTION WAS. SO IF THAT, IF THAT PARTICULAR KILLER INITIATIVE THING IS, IS CRITICAL FOR COUNCIL AND YOU ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD AT LEAST EXPLORE WITH THE COMMUNITY, I WOULD SAY I, I DON'T WANNA COMMIT TO ANYTHING, BUT I WOULD SAY ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH STEVE AND WITH SHANNON AND THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN SOMEONE WHO COULD FACILITATE. I THINK THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT IS THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH ABSOLUTELY. IS TAKING THE TEMPERATURE OF THE COMMUNITY AROUND, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING RESIDENTS THAT ALL THAT LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD ACCEPT AND UNDER WHAT DESIGN CONDITIONS, RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU CAN CREATE A DUPLEX OR A TRIPLEX PRODUCT REALLY APPEARED LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND I'VE SEEN IT BE DONE PLACES WHERE YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCE AND IT HAD THE SAME FEEL AND AESTHETIC OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT, THAT MAYBE PEOPLE CAN ACCEPT THAT. AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH. UM, BUT I WOULD SAY GIVE US THAT DIRECTION AND LET US SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, WE CAN PURSUE IN THIS NEXT YEAR WITH EXISTING RESOURCES AND GET BACK TO YOU. WELL, I'D BE INTERESTED IN HOW OTHER PEOPLE FELT ABOUT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THAT. I THINK THAT YOU'RE, YOUR ANALYSIS OF THE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IS ACTUALLY ACCURATE. I THINK IT'S BEING DONE IN A LOT OF PLACES AND I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL AND IT ACTUALLY WORKS AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S BETTER IT PENCILS OUT IN WAYS THAT SOME OF OUR OTHER INITIATIVES DON'T. SO, OKAY. PETE'S NEXT THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO BRIAN. GO AHEAD PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I'LL JUST ADD TO THE LIST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS ISSUE AS WELL. UH, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND EFFORTS ABOUT CONTRACTING. I APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTY IT IS MANAGING CONTRACTORS AND, AND I REALLY DO THINK GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL IS MOVING TOWARDS MORE OF A PROJECT MANAGEMENT, CONTRACT MANAGEMENT TYPE OF ACTIVITY. SO YOU CAN DEAL WITH THE FLUCTUATIONS IN THE, THE DOERS THAT THE WORKLOAD OF THE DOERS. AND SO I, I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS NOT JUST OUR, YOUR STRUGGLE. IT'S, IT'S EVERYONE'S STRUGGLE THAT'S WORKING IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT THESE DAYS. AND I APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTY THAT I AM INTERESTED IN THE LDC CONVERS, UH, THE A DU CONVERSATION. I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT COUNCIL MILLER WILLIAMS JUST PUT UP ABOUT, UH, OTHER THINGS. MY LIST INCLUDES THINGS LIKE WHAT ELSE IS THERE, RIGHT? MY PRIORITIES ARE HOUSING AND THEN SOME OF THE, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AND LOOKING AT THE LDC OF WHAT ELSE IS IN THE LDC THAT'S SLOWING DOWN OR PROHIBITING MARKET RATE SOLUTIONS FOR HOUSING. AND THEY MIGHT ALSO BE THINGS LIKE PROCESS. WHAT IS THE PROCESS WE DRAG PEOPLE THROUGH AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN BE DOING TO ACHIEVE MORE PROCESS CERTAINTY? NOT OUTCOME CERTAINTY, BUT PROCESS CERTAINTY. SO WE [00:55:01] MOVE PROJECTS THROUGH A SYSTEM AND GET AN ANSWER IN A TIMELY WAY. I SCRATCH MY HEAD WHEN I SEE P AND Z MEETINGS BEING CANCELED AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING. SO I STRUGGLE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE BARRIERS WHEN WE SAY HOUSING IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT TRYING TO APPROVE HOUSING, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECTS IN THIS TOWN AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER BARRIERS? SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE LDC REVIEW COULD HELP ANSWER. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT FORWARD AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I LIKE OPENING WORMY CANS, , I, I LOOK AT THE WORDS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR DOCUMENT HERE AND I SEE THINGS LIKE UPDATE TO THE BUILDING CODE. THAT'S ANOTHER I-I-I-B-C BUILDING CODE ACTIVITY. AND, AND I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT DO POP UP THAT TALK ABOUT INCREASING THE COST OF HOUSING. 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS SAFER. I DON'T GENERALLY PERCEIVE THAT THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE WITH OUR CURRENT STANDARD OF, OF BUILDING. AND SO DO WE REALLY NEED TO DO ANOTHER IBC UPDATE? IS THAT RESOURCES THAT COULD HELP ADVANCE SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS? UM, AND SO HERE'S THE WORMY CAN THAT I'LL OPEN IF I HAVE TO. IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME TO PRIORITIZE THINGS LIKE THE GARAGE AND THE LDC UPDATE, WHERE WOULD I BE? I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION OF PRIORITIZATION OF OUR PROJECTS AND WHERE OUR PRIORITIES ARE. AND WHAT I RECALL IS WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE RUNWAY WITH PARKING AVAILABILITY IN, IN UPTOWN, ESPECIALLY IF WE BUILT THE LOT. AND IF, IF YOU THOUGHT THAT THAT GOT IN YOUR WAY OF DOING THE LDC UPDATE, I MIGHT BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THOSE THINGS FIT TOGETHER. SO CAN CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? YEAH, PLEASE RESPOND TO THAT. SO TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. , SO PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING, PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLANNING. SO TOTALLY UNRELATED IF WE DIDN'T DO THE GARAGE, THAT DOESN'T GIVE STEVE ANY MORE CAPACITY AT ALL. RIGHT? THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE CITY MANAGER AND I'M NOT AND I ASK THE QUESTIONS AND YOU GIVE GOOD ANSWERS AND, UM, BUT THEY'RE QUESTIONS THAT WE ALL HAVE BECAUSE WE'RE STRUGGLE. WE STRUGGLE, I STRUGGLE WITH WANTING TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO GET MORE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECTS MOVING IN THIS TOWN. SO, AND, AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT IS TANGENTIALLY RELATED TO PARKING GARAGE, UH, BUT TOTALLY RELATED TO PARKING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ONE OF THE BIG, UM, ASPECTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ARE REQUIREMENTS AROUND PARKING. YES. AND ADMITTEDLY, I BELIEVE THINGS ARE CHANGING. TRANSIT WILL CHANGE, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND OUR CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT REQUIRE ONSITE PARKING EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT UPTOWN IS RELATIVE TO THAT REQUIREMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE DIPPED OUR TOE INTO IN LIEU FEES, BUT IS IT THE RIGHT RATE? AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY. WHO KNOWS NOW WITH THE GARAGE MOVING FORWARD, WHAT THAT OPENS UP FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND, AND CONSOLIDATION. BUT A COMPREHENSIVE CITYWIDE PARKING MASTER PLAN, I BELIEVE WILL NEED TO BE DONE IN ADVANCE OF THE LDC UPDATE BECAUSE THAT WILL FEED WHAT CHANGES WE MAKE TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE LDC. SO WE HAVE, THAT MIGHT BE ONE AREA WHERE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CHICKEN AND AN EGG SITUATION. UM, WHERE SHOULD WE JUMP INTO A COMPREHENSIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR GOALS ARE RELATED TO PARKING FOR THE VARIOUS PARTS OF TOWN, AS AN EXAMPLE. AND THAT PLAYS INTO HOUSING TOO. WE HAVE CURRENT RE REQUIREMENTS. LUCKILY THE, THE DIGGA DOES GIVE US DISCRETION FOR PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR MULTIFAMILY WHEN IT IS PROXIMATE TO TRANSIT. SO WE HAVE SOME LATITUDE THERE, BUT COULD THERE BE MORE, UM, AND, AND LESS ONEROUS REQUIREMENTS AROUND ONSITE PARKING FOR MULTIFAMILY THAT COULD FACILITATE MORE UNITS AND LESS PARKING. A LOT OF THINGS THAT WILL PLAY INTO THIS PROCESS. YEP. YEAH, THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS, KAREN. I APPRECIATE, UH, THOSE. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOUSING AND, AND I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AND YOU KNOW, THE, THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, THEY'RE PEOPLE INTENSIVE, [01:00:01] THEY'RE DIFFICULT, THEY'RE COMPLEX PROJECTS TO MOVE AND EVEN DIGA RELATED THINGS WILL TAKE, RIGHT? IT'S A CONVERSATION AND IT'S JUST RIGHT. IT'S THOSE ARE, AND SO WHERE I JUST CONTINUE TO WANT TO FIGURE OUT IS JUST MARKET RATE. WHAT IS PROCESS THAT WE CAN CREATE? WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT, I, YOU KNOW, THERE I'M AWARE OF CON PROJECT CONVERSATIONS IN THE CITY AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO SOME THINGS AND IT JUST SEEMS TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO DO 'EM. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DOES. AND WHETHER IT'S JUST FINANCING AND PEOPLE TALK A GOOD GAME AND THE PROJECTS AREN'T READY TO GO, OR WHETHER OUR LDC AND OUR PROCESS PROHIBITS THOSE FROM MOVING THROUGH THE SYSTEM. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF DISCUSSION ANALYSIS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HAPPEN. SO, SO IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT, UM, THOSE ARE THE VERY SAME CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT. UH, I WAS JUST HAVING ONE ABOUT THE PARKING ISSUE YESTERDAY AND HOW THAT, UM, SEEMS TO PROHIBIT CERTAIN THINGS. UM, WE ARE ALREADY TALKING PROCESS AND HOW CAN WE CHANGE OUR PROCESSES TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. SO YES, WE, MY THOUGHTS ARE THE VERY SAME. WE DO SEE THE SAME THINGS. UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO CHANGE THOSE PROCESSES TO MAKE IT EASIER. THE FACT THAT HOUSING IS NOW UNDER THE ROOF OF, UM, THE PHYSICAL ROOF OF COM DEV AND TWO OFFICES AWAY FROM MINE MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR US TO GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THESE THINGS. UM, SO YES, THERE ARE, UH, THINGS IN THE WORK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE. ABSOLUTELY. UM, THAT'S GOOD FOR NOW, MARY. THANK YOU. GOOD VICE MAYOR. BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING OR YEAH, I WAS NEXT, I THOUGHT. YES. I I DROPPED HER. SHE HAD, UH, THE VICE MAYOR SHOWN HER HAND. I FORGOT YOU WANNA GO? I, I'LL BE QUICK, JOE. UM, I CONCUR WITH THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ON AT LEAST ADDRESSING MULTIFAMILY IN, UH, ON SINGLE FAMILY, UH, PROPERTY. AND, AND, AND REALLY THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS ALREADY UNDERWAY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE COMMUNITY PLAN HAD THAT MEETING AT WEST SEDONA SCHOOL AND THAT WAS ALL ABOUT EDUCATING, COMMUNICATING TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT ALTERNATIVE, UH, STANDARDS. SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THAT, RIGHT? LIKE THERE WASN'T A, A VIOLENT UPHEAVAL OF DISSENT FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT ADDRESSING THAT. SO, UH, THE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MOVE THINGS ALONG, BUT I BUT YOUR QUESTION WAS GREAT, KAREN, OF OKAY, SO WHAT IS WHAT, YEAH. WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BEING RESTRICTED FROM BEING CONSIDERED RIGHT NOW, WHICH I WAS GONNA ASK THAT OF YOU, IF YOU COULD TELL US WHAT THAT IS. I THINK THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS THE ONE THING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TALK A LOT ABOUT TINY HOMES. YOU CAN BUILD A TINY HOME IN SEDONA THAT'S NOT PROHIBITED. IT'S, WE'VE GOT THIS CO-HOUSING WHERE YOU CAN DO MULTIPLE UNITS ON A PARCEL, BUT GIVEN THE HOW EXPENSIVE LAND IS HERE MM-HMM. DENSITY AND BUILDING UP IS SO MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. AND EVEN THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE PENCIL, RIGHT? WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THIS GAP FUNDING AND, AND BRINGING IN LAYERING AND THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION. BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT IS THE ONE AREA, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT COULD, COULD MOVE THE NEEDLE A BIT, IS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE, THE BUILDING MATERIALS, LIKE THE PRIMARY MATERIALS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD SEE IN THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS LIMITING RIGHT NOW? I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE WANT TO USE, YOU KNOW, SHIPPING CONTAINERS AS HOUSING, BUT AS A FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT? YES. YEAH, THERE IS. AND IN FACT, YOU CAN'T DO SHIPPING CONTAINER HOUSING IN SEDONA, I GUESS IF YOU REALLY MODIFIED IT TO THE IRC STANDARDS, UM, WHICH WE HADN'T SEEN YET. BUT, UM, YEAH, OUR AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS ARE OUR HIRE BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE A, A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN, IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT HERE. SO COULD WE LOWER OUR, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE FACADE LOOKS LIKE OF A BUILDING? YEAH. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT'S ABOUT LOWERING STANDARDS PER SE, AND SHIPPING CONTAINERS ARE AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, RIGHT? BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT ACCOMPANY TINY HOUSES OR WHATEVER THAT OH, WELL YOU [01:05:01] CAN'T, YEAH, YOU CAN DO A TINY HOUSE, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IS THERE ANY OTHER LIMITATION AROUND THAT? I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THERE ISN'T. CAN I JUST STOP FOR A MINUTE? I THINK WE'RE GOING A LITTLE BIT, UH, FAR. UH, KURT, I MEAN, WE'RE DISCUSSING WHAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING A, A SPECIAL MEETING FOR AS OPPOSED TO THE, JUST THE AGENDA ITEM. I MEAN, IF KURT, IF YOU THINK WE'RE FINE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK WE'RE GOING WAY BEYOND IN A GOOD DISCUSSION. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HERE AND FOR TIME CONSTRAINTS, BUT, AND WE'RE DOING GOOD WITH TIME. SO MARY, YOU TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS LEGALLY, WE'RE FINE. UM, YOU, YOU'RE THE CHAIR AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN STATE WHEN YOU BELIEVE COUNSELS ARE GOING BEYOND. I'D SEE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT POINTS RAISED. I DON'T, WE COULD SPEND TWO HOURS DOING THAT. MM-HMM. . AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SPECIAL MEETING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A, A SPECIAL MEETING. WE, WE ARE DOING GOOD ON TIME, ALTHOUGH, UM, YOU CAN GO SIDEWAYS AT ANY MINUTE, . BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IF THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT YOU ALL CAN IDENTIFY THAT YOU, THAT ARE HIGH PRIORITY THINGS TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE ABSENCE OF A COMPREHENSIVE OVERHAUL THAT RECONCILES EVERYTHING TO EVERYTHING ELSE, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO KNOW THAT. BECAUSE I, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE THE NEEDLE, WHETHER THAT BE HOUSING OR OTHER THINGS, UM, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT CAN I REQUEST WE KEEP THIS AT A HIGHER LEVEL RATHER THAN WHAT BUILDING MATERIALS MIGHT BE? I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD, I MEAN, I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SEWER HOOKUP WASTEWATER. IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT FOR THIS. CAN WE JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT WANNA SEE ON THE LIST TO TALK ABOUT AND LEAVE IT AT THE MACRO. RIGHT. RIGHT. MULTILEVEL, MULTILEVEL, MULTIFAMILY. MULTIFAMILY IN A SINGLE FAMILY ZONED LOT. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. AND THEN PETE, DID YOU HAVE YOU GOOD? I'M GOOD. NO, I HAVE THAT. OKAY. I, I GUESS I, I DISAGREE A LITTLE. THIS TO ME IS EXACTLY THE TIME IN PLACE WE SHOULD BE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE WE, THIS IS OUR PRIORITIES. ANYWAY. THAT BEING SAID, UH, I READ THIS MORNING THAT, SO KAISER, WHO BROUGHT THE BILL OR LED THE STUDY COMMITTEE AND BROUGHT THE BILLS LAST YEAR THAT DIDN'T GET PASSED. HE LEFT THE LEGISLATURE AND NOW HE'S WITH SOME NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WANTING TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF ZONING AND HOUSING. THERE IS ANOTHER LEGISLATOR WHO IS IN THE LEGISLATURE CARRYING HIS WATER THIS SESSION. AND I READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT HER BELIEFS. AND SHE, AND HE WAS A REPUBLICAN. SHE'S A DEMOCRAT. UH, AND I THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE FACING THIS. I DON'T WANNA SEE US CAUGHT BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR PERFECTION, YOU KNOW, WAITING FOR THE LEGISLATURE. WE, WE NEED TO BE IN FRONT OF THIS SO THAT WE CAN SAY WE'RE DOING THINGS, AND THAT WE'RE NOT CAUGHT UP IN, UH, FLAT-FOOTED WHILE OUR FATE IS BEING DECIDED IN PHOENIX. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT EVERY WAY WE CAN CREATE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS? AND WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT BARRIERS. MM-HMM. FROM, FROM ARCHITECTS, FROM ENGINEERS WITHIN THE TOWN. THEY DON'T QUITE GET AS SPECIFIC AS I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUES. BUT, UH, I DO THINK THIS IS A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE FACING US THAT MAY BE TAKEN OUT OF OUR HANDS AND WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT, AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AS FAST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. OKAY. UH, YES, MELISSA, GO AHEAD. UM, THIS IS A PRIORITY SETTING AND QUITE HONESTLY, HOUSING HAS GOTTA BE ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES. IT'S BEEN ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES. PROJECTS ARE, ARE NOT THE TOP PRIORITY. HOUSING IS THE TOP PRIORITY. AND THEN WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT WE WANNA SEE WITHIN HOUSING THAT WE NEED TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT ONE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER. IN ORDER FOR US TO FACILITATE THE GOAL OF HOUSING. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT US TO BE REALLY CAREFUL OF AS WE GO FORWARD IS THINKING ABOUT THE FACT ABOUT CHANGES. WHATEVER THOSE CHANGES MAY BE. WE ARE IN OUR OPTIMISTIC FASHION, ASSUMING THAT THIS WILL ALLOW US TO CREATE HOUSING FOR WORKFORCE. IT'LL CREATE HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE, UM, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. BUT DO [01:10:01] WE LAND IN THE TRAP WHERE IT ALLOWS SOMEONE TO CREATE MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS AND THEN TURN THEM INTO SDRS? WILL IT ALLOW THEM TO MAKE NEW MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING THAT ARE ONLY MARKET RATE, UM, AND NOT AFFORDABLE? SO AS WE THINK ABOUT HOUSING BEING SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO JUST THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE FALLING INTO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT OUR LAND, WE CAN'T DEED RESTRICT IT. SO IF IT'S NOT DEEDED RESTRICTED LAND, IS THERE THINGS WE CAN OR CANNOT DO IF THEY DON'T NEED A LOT OF, UM, UH, EXEMPTIONS TO THE, TO THE RULES WHERE WE CAN THEN ASK THEM TO DO THINGS INSTEAD? WE NEED TO, I THINK, TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND THAT TO ME IS WHEN WE START TO THINK ABOUT THESE MORE, UH, BROAD THINKING PROJECTS. LIKE, WHAT ABOUT PARKING? WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. 'CAUSE THAT WILL HELP US DEFINE WHETHER OR NOT THE SMALLER THINGS THAT WE DO DON'T END UP BEING A ZONE TRAP. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT. WE WANT TO NOT BE FLATFOOTED. WE DO WANT TO MAKE IT LOOK AT LEAST LIKE WE'RE TRYING BASED ON THE LIMITATIONS WE HAVE ON STAFF, UM, TO START TO THINK IN THESE BROADER TERMS, TO START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE NEED SO THAT WE CAN GO IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATURE THROUGH OUR LOBBYISTS OR WHOMEVER AND SAY, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. DON'T STOP US FROM THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. SO THAT'S JUST SOME THOUGHTS. SO, CAN I, DO YOU MIND IF I GO, JESSICA, THANK YOU. SO NOT AT ALL. THANK YOU. , UH, VICE MAYOR. JUST CHECK ME ON THIS. UH, AND KURT, IF I REMEMBER WHEN THE, THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE WAS HERE, THEY WERE LOOKING TO GO FAR BEYOND WHERE WE WOULD EVER GO. SO EVEN IF WE DO ALL THESE AMAZING THINGS THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE STILL GONNA COME IN. THEY WANTED, I REMEMBER THEY WANTED TO, THE HEIGHT, THEY WANTED TO GO THREE, FOUR STORIES, FOUR CITIES AND TOWNS, NO MATTER WHAT THEY HAD FOR RESTRICTIONS, DENSITY ALSO, NO MATTER WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS WERE AND THE FOOTPRINT, THEY WANTED TO GO TO THE MAXIMUM SIZE THAT YOU CAN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR PLANS WERE. SO, I, I, I APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCILOR DUNN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAPS. I AGREE. BUT EVEN IF THE BEST LAID PLANS, AND THEY STILL COME BACK AND BITE US. SO I I, AND YEAH, WE HEARD THE SAME STORY TOGETHER. THE VICE MAYOR ABOUT KAISER GOING TO THIS, I THINK IT'S A NONPROFIT. HE'S GOING TO VERY CONCERNING THAT THESE PEOPLE JUST WANNA COME IN AND AS RAM PROJECTS DOWN OUR THROAT, NO MATTER HOW AGGRESSIVE WE ARE, IT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S, WE SHOULD JUST DO WHAT WE WANNA DO AND HOPE FOR THE BEST, I THINK. BUT WE DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A DOUBT AND JUST DO WHAT WE CAN. BUT DON'T BE SURPRISED IF THIS GROUP COMES UP AND SAYS, SEDONA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FIVE STORIES, FOUR STORIES, WHATEVER THEY TELL US, AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. WE WERE ACTUALLY EXEMPTED BY OUR POPULATION FROM THOSE STATES. WELL, OKAY. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I APPRECIATE. AND KURT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, THAT'S CORRECT. SO THOSE WERE PROPOSED, BUT GENERALLY IN, IN LARGER, UH, CITIES. SO, BUT THERE WERE SOME, SOME RESTRICTIONS. SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN IMPOSED ON THE CITY HAD THAT BILL PASSED. RIGHT. BUT IT'S ALSO, IF I REMEMBER BACK THEN, PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED, YES. EXEMPTED. AND I FORGOT THAT POINT THAT YOU JUST SAID IT, BUT ONCE IT TRICKLES DOWN, AND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE LACK OF LOCAL CONTROL. SO, UM, THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME, ALWAYS PRO, UH, PARAMOUNT. YEAH. I, I THINK WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE THINK IS RIGHT, RIGHT. TO REACH OUR GOALS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE STATE DOES. I THINK THAT WE, I I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. I, I ABSOLUTELY, I'M SORRY. IT'S MY, I'M NEVER OPTIMISTIC ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT I, THERE HAS TO BE THINGS WE CAN DO AND WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO DO THEM. NOW, I THINK PART OF THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION WITH DUPLEXES, 'CAUSE THE STR ISSUE IS A VERY REAL ONE. I MEAN, I WOULD LOOK TO KURT, IS THERE A WAY TO STRUCTURE THE CREATION OF DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT ALLOWS US TO DEEDED, RESTRICT THEM? I MEAN, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF YOU PROPOSE ONE OF THESE, WE WAIVE ALL OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT FEES, WE WAIVE ALL OF YOUR SEWER FEES, AND WE PAY FOR THAT WITH, WITH OUR HOUSING MONEY. I MEAN, AND IF WE DO THAT, IT HELPS PENCIL OUT AND IT ALSO WILL HELP THE RESTRICT. SO I THINK THERE'S, I THINK AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES, THAT HAS TO PLAY INTO IT. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO STRUCTURE IT IN SUCH A [01:15:01] WAY THAT WE DON'T JUST CREATE MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. BUT I'D BE INTERESTED IN, I WOULD LIKE THAT DONE SO THAT WE CAN HEAR WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND SO I HEARD, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, MAYOR, I WOULD REALLY, NO, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I, WOULD YOU PLEASE FIND OUT WHETHER PEOPLE WANNA PROCEED OR NOT WITH THE, I KNOW WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WITH THE STAFF LEGAL AND, UM, STAFF LOOKING AT DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AS PART OF A, OF A, AT LEAST A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DISCUSSION. I WOULD DEFINITELY DO THAT, BUT I WANT JUST OPINE FOR ONE SECOND. SURE. THE FEE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE PEOPLE TO DEEDED RESTRICT THEIR PROPERTIES NOW IS WHAT, $25 THAT WE'RE PAYING? 15? YES. 15. I HAD REALTORS CONTACT ME AND SAY, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA SUE US BECAUSE WE'RE ENTICING PEOPLE TO DO DEEDED RESTRICTIONS. I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT MINDFUL OF THAT SO MUCH, BUT IF WE WERE TO PAY THEIR FEES, I'D NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF HURDLE THAT WOULD BE. AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO GO TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT A LATER TIME. UM, BUT IS EVERY STEP, THERE'S TWO STEPS BACK. MAY MAYOR, COUNSEL, I JUST WANNA SAY THE PHOENIX OR A DU ORDINANCE IS A POTENTIAL WAY OF, OF, OF MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. SO THAT IS A, A POSSIBILITY. SO TAKING COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON'S SUGGESTION, I THINK WE, I'D LIKE TO POLL EVERYBODY HERE AND SEE IF WE WANT TO, NOW YOU'RE ASKING TO HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING AND EXECUTIVE SESSION IN THE FUTURE TO TALK ABOUT EXACTLY THIS. I'M, WHAT ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS WHETHER COUNCIL WANTS YEAH. STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THIS INITIATIVE. IF THEY DETERMINE THERE'S A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE'LL HAVE ONE. IF THEY DON'T DETERMINE THAT, THEN THEY'LL MOVE AHEAD AND REPORT BACK TO US AT A, AT WHATEVER TIME MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO DO IT. YES. KAREN, BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN WE JUST ASK SHANNON, SHE'S BEEN LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION MM-HMM. TO, TO WEIGH IN IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT, UM, INFORM THIS, THIS DISCUSSION. ABSOLUTELY. I JUST WANTED TO WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT AND SAY THAT LDC UPDATE IS NOT CRITICAL TO MOVING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS FORWARD. UM, IN FACT, ONLY THE ONE, UM, PENDING PROJECT ON GOOD ROW NEEDS A ZONE CHANGE. UM, THERE'S NOT, UH, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY AN ADVANTAGE TO DOING THAT UPDATE NOW FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND AS COUNSELOR DUNN POINTED OUT, IF WE DO THAT UPDATE, WE MIGHT OPEN UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT MORE NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO COME IN AND TAKE UP THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE WHERE WE COULD PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, I DO THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO DO A WORK SESSION EXECUTIVE SESSION, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES REGARDING THE A DU ORDINANCE AND, UM, MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEXES IN SINGLE FAMILY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. BUT THE FULL A-D-L-D-C UPDATE ISN'T CRITICAL, UM, TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S HELPFUL TO ME. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO YOU WANNA GO DOWN, START, I KNOW JESSICA, WE KNOW WHERE YOU ARE. UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN, ARE YOU WILLING TO, DO YOU AGREE TO HAVE A FUTURE MEETING IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE ON A DU ON, ON ADUS IN GENERAL? ADU IS THE, UH, DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD? YEAH. WELL, YES I AM, AND I'M THE MANAGER HAVE ALSO PUT ON THE TABLE A BARRIER IS THE PARKING. AND I DON'T, THAT'S A GREAT THING TO TALK ABOUT AND I WANNA KNOW WHERE THAT IS. AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE THINGS. I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT A DEVELOPER AND A BUILDER. I DON'T HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I JUST HEAR THINGS. RIGHT. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLACE 'EM. AND SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I'M PROBABLY ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. RIGHT. OKAY. COUNSEL ELLA, I THINK THE QUESTION, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP AND SOME OF WHERE IT GOT CONVOLUTED WAS, AND I AGREED WITH WHAT THE, WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID, YES, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS SO THAT WE'RE IN CONTROL OF THEM, BUT WE WERE GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE TALKING ABOUT VERY SPECIFICS, WIRING AND THINGS. AND THAT'S WHERE I WANTED TO PULL IN THE CONVERSATION. UM, FOR ME, THE QUESTION AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS THERE'S A PRIORITY ON OUR LIST OF REVISITING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I BELIEVE THAT WE, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THERE'S AGREEMENT TO THAT THIS SHOULD BE MOVED TO AN OUT YEAR AS OPPOSED ON THE PRIORITY LIST FOR NEXT YEAR. BUT THAT WE WANNA REPLACE THAT WITH A MORE STRUCTURED CONVERSATION THAT BECOMES A PRIORITY ON HOUSING INITIATIVES, UM, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MULTI-FAMILY OPTIONS, ADUS, AND OTHER THINGS YET TO BE IDENTIFIED THE STAFF CAN BRING TO US. SO THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT. [01:20:01] IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IF THAT'S THE OTHER SHARED UNDERSTANDING YES. THAT I AM IN SUPPORT OF, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT. ARE YOU IN SUPPORT OF ONE OF THOSE ITEMS FOR STAFF TO PURSUE BEING DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES? I JUST SAID I DIDN'T HEAR, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST CLARIFYING IF DIDN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY. I CERTAINLY MEANT WHEN I SAID UNDER MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. OPTIONS. OKAY. YEAH, SHE WAS CLEAR. NO, WELL, I'M SORRY. I'M SLOW SOMETIMES. THAT'S OKAY. I, I AGREE. ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ON OUR CALENDAR, BUT HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT TOO FAR. VICE MAYOR MELISSA, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THE STAFF TO LOOK INTO WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE GOOD IDEAS OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE TRYING TO, BECAUSE WE ALL THINK THEY'RE GOOD IDEAS OR WHETHER OR NOT WE, WE, THAT'S NOT TRUE. OKAY. PLEASE. WE BELIEVE LOOKING INTO THEM IS A GOOD IDEA. CAN I REPHRASE THAT? SO THAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA IS NOT AN OBJECTION. HOWEVER, THESE ARE, THESE ARE COMPLEX THINGS AND THEY'RE COMPLEX TOPICS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS FAR AS WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE THEM. SO WE JUST GOING TO STOP AT WHAT, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD DO THEM VERSUS WHAT IS THE COMPLEXITY. SHOULD WE TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM, WHICH WILL TAKE, UM, A LOT MORE TIME, I THINK, THAN OF STAFF TIME THAN JUST SAYING WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? BECAUSE I THINK SHANNON PROBABLY KNOWS WHAT ALL THOSE OPTIONS ARE. AND I THINK STEVE ALREADY KNOWS SOME OF THE COMPLEXITIES OF THOSE OPTIONS. SO WHAT IS IT WE'RE ASKING STAFF TO DO? EXACTLY. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO, 'CAUSE WE HAVE RANGED ALL OVER THE PLACE HERE. , I, HOLLY WILL DO IT BETTER. , I, I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING FOR STAFF TO ADVISE US IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED IN OUR LDC OR DIGGA OR ANY OTHER POLICY THAT PREVENTS US FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF HOUSING. OKAY. AND, AND LEGAL. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING SOMEONE WAS GOING TO SAY. MM-HMM. , BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE. AND I, AND I WOULD EXPECT STAFF TO ALSO QUEBEC AND SAY, WITHOUT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PARKING MASTER PLAN, FOR INSTANCE, WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO. BECAUSE WHEN WE REZONE AND WE WANNA PUT IN MULTIPLE HOUSING, HOW MANY CARS DOES THAT MULTIPLE HOUSING HAVE TO DO, EVEN IF IT'S A DUPLEX OR A TRIPLEX, RIGHT? BECAUSE ARE THERE TWO CARS PER EACH ESTABLISHMENT, OR IS THERE ONE CAR? SO THAT GOES BACK TO THIS WHOLE, HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT PARKING AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. AND SO THIS IS, UM, TO USE COUNSELOR. LET'S SEE, WHAT'S THE COMBINED WORD? FULMAN. FETS OR FULLMAN. YOU'RE FULMAN FULLMAN. UM, IS, IS, IS TALKING ABOUT THIS IS A CAN OF WORMS AND, AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE AN EXPECTATION IN MY MIND TO HAVE THEM COME BACK NEXT SESSION, FOR INSTANCE, AND HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. SO I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, TO ADD ON TO OUR, THAT THIS, THIS COMES BACK TO US AT A TIME WHEN STAFF BELIEVES THAT THEY'RE READY TO COME BACK TO US AND THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO IMPOSE A TIMEFRAME ON THIS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DOES IN PHOENIX. SO I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE STIPULATION, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER. AND TOO MUCH COFFEE. COMPLETE SENSE. NO COMPLETE SENSE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THERE WAS INTEREST IN ONE OTHER THING TO ADD TO IT, THE OPTION, AND IT MAY ALREADY BE THERE, THE OPTION TO ENTICE OR ENCOURAGE MAYBE, POSSIBLY THE LOTS THAT WE'RE GIVING UP FOR PARKING NOW THAT THEY COULD BE TURNED INTO HOUSING. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING? I DON'T KNOW, YES OR NO. ANYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING THAT'S A HURDLE TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING. IF SOME PROPERTY OWNER SAYS, YOU'RE NO LONGER GONNA BE PAYING ME FOR MY, MY PARKING SPACES, I WANNA TURN IT TO HOUSING. IS THAT ALREADY AVAILABLE? CAN THAT BE DONE? OR, OR IS THERE A HINDRANCE IN THAT? ASSUMING SOMEBODY WANTS TO, THERE ARE A COUPLE. WELL, THE HINDRANCE WOULD BE THAT ANYONE WHO CURRENTLY HAS A PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD NEED TO BUY THEMSELVES OUT OF THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT VIA THE, IN, IN FEE PROGRAM. BUT ANY PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL CAN BECOME MULTI-FAMILY WITHOUT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CASE. I JUST WANNA BE SURE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE ENTITLEMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST CONVERTING PARKING INTO SOMETHING ELSE MEANS WHAT DO THEY DO WITH THEIR PARKING TO COMPLY WITH THEIR PARKING? UNLESS THEY, THEY HAVE EXCESS, EXCESS PARKING. YEAH. NOBODY HAS US PARKING. I'M TRYING TO THINK. POSITIVE. IN FACT, MOST OF THEM HAVE OUR GRAND AS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PARK. BUT, UM, [01:25:01] BUT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. I THINK, YOU KNOW, 4 0 1 JORDAN, WHICH SHANNON MENTIONED YESTERDAY, WHICH IS BASICALLY A PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW DOES HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING AND DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CONVERTED TO PARKING. IT'S, UM, GREAT BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS IT AND, AND CONTROLS WHAT HAPPENS THERE. SO I'M GONNA GO ON THIS SIDE. COUNCILOR FULLMAN ON THIS. ULMAN, FULLMAN, WHATEVER. FERT AND FULLMAN ATTORNEYS A LAW FIRM. YEAH. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MY ANSWER IS YES. THANK YOU. LET'S KEEP IT AT THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION KAREN? I THINK SO, YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ARE YOU DONE WITH THAT PRESENTATION, STEVE? UM, YES SIR. , I JUST WANT MAYBE YOU HAD PLEASE. HE IS NOW. OKAY. AND THANK YOU SHANNON FOR COMING OVER. YEAH, WE THANK YOU. GREAT. OKAY, SO, UH, YOU WANNA TAKE A FEW MINUTE BREAK OR YOU WANNA WAIT TILL 10 OR JUST GO ON TO OTHER PROJECT INITIATIVES? I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UH, BREAK SOUNDS FABULOUS. THERE YOU GO. 10 MINUTE BREAK. IT SOUNDS FABULOUS. STAND UP. JUST THEY LIKE THESE KIND OF POLICY DECISION DISCUSSIONS, WHICH WE DON'T WAIT. I KNOW WE'RE ON JUST WAITING FOR. ALRIGHT. UM, VICE MAYOR, WE, WE WILL BE BACK SHORTLY. OKAY. SO LET'S COME BACK INTO SESSION. UH, OTHER PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES, UH, PURSUE INTERNAL PERFORMANCE AUDIT PROGRAM. THAT WAS SOMETHING FROM, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST YEAR. UH, KAREN, YOU WANNA DISCUSS THAT AT ALL? THIS WAS COUNSELOR, UM, HERMAN'S PROPOSAL FROM LAST YEAR. WE AGREED THAT IT WOULD STAY ON THE, THE LIST, UM, TO, TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE AS WE HAVE KIND OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTEGRATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. UM, SO THIS IS ANOTHER THING, KIND OF STAFF TIME AND, AND RESOURCE AND ABILITY TO START A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, PETE. 'CAUSE IT'S JUST, YOU ARE ME. JUST WANT YOU LEAD OFF. YEAH, THANK YOU. AND I DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME HERE EITHER, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, KAREN AND I DID START OFF LAST YEAR HAVING SOME INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS AND MOVING IT, BUT THEN IT JUST KIND OF WENT SILENT BECAUSE WE HAD ALL THESE OTHER THINGS TO DO AND WE'VE TAKEN ON, UH, FOR ME, THE IDEAL MODEL OF THIS PERFORMANCE AUDIT PROGRAM, AN INDEPENDENT AUDITOR IS THEY ARE, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY A PARTNER WITH THE CITY, WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WITH THE CITY, UH, TO, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE A TEAM AND THEY HELP GET STUFF DONE AND COUNCILS USE THEM AND MANAGERS USE THEM AND RIGHT. IT'S A VERY POSITIVE THING. SO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DIDN'T PURSUE IT WITH KAREN MUCH MORE IS THAT I THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION TO START WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER. I INTEND TO BRING UP THESE QUESTIONS WHEN WE TALK TO CITY MANAGER CANDIDATES AND THEN SEE IF THE CITY MANAGER THEMSELVES UNDERSTANDS THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL OF WHAT AUDITING CAN BE AND, UH, AND CONTINUE IT THAT WAY. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IT STILL STAY HERE. I AM GOING TO BE PERSONALLY PURSUING AS THE IDEAS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO. OKAY. UH, BEFORE I WEIGH IN, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE ON THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION, WHICH PROBABLY GOES TO KAREN FOR THIS. THE, THE, THIS SECTION OF OTHER PROJECTS INITIATIVES, IS THAT CONSIDERED A PRIORITY OR, I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, IT'S JUST ANOTHER, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT LIST. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THIS LIST. SO THEY AREN'T CONSIDERED COUNCIL PRIORITIES AT THIS TIME. AND THIS IS A PRETTY ABBREVIATED LIST. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT IF YOU RECALL, THE LIST HAS BEEN BIGGER IN THE PAST MM-HMM. . AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT I BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF WHEN YOU'RE SETTING YOUR PRIORITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, HOME RULE WAS ON THIS LIST. HOME RULE IS A PRETTY BIG UNDERTAKING FROM A COMMUNICATION STANDPOINT, FROM A ELECTION STANDPOINT, FROM A, AN ANALYSIS STANDPOINT THROUGH FINANCE. IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR THEM TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PURSUING A HOME ROLL ELECTION. SO WHEN THAT'S ON, WHEN THAT'S IN CYCLE MM-HMM. , I, I WANT THAT TO BE ON THIS OTHER'S LIST SO THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE THAT THERE ARE SOME BIG THINGS HAPPENING, UM, THAT ARE CONSUMING STAFF RESOURCES. SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE [01:30:01] DECIDING WHAT ADDITIONAL THINGS TO PUT ON THE PLATE FROM A POLICY PRIORITY STANDPOINT, IT'S JUST A FULLER PICTURE OF, OF WHAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. SO IS IT SAFE FOR ME TO BE THINKING IN MY HEAD OF THIS LIST AS JUST A PLACE WHERE THINGS AREN'T BEING LOST RATHER THAN COUNCIL PRIORITIES? HERE'S THE NAME OF EACH AND OTHER PROJECT INITIATIVES AS A PRIORITY. I JUST WANT TO BE THAT'S RIGHT. THESE ARE NOT, UM, THESE ARE NOT COUNCIL PRIORITIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO. MM-HMM. THAT I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. I, UH, HAVE A QUESTION ALSO, AND I DO REMEMBER THIS COMING UP LAST YEAR. UM, THAT MODEL THAT, UH, COUNCILOR, UH, FURMAN IS DISCUSSING, UH, OR PROPOSING, IS IT DONE FOR IN ANY OTHER CITY OR TOWN IN ARIZONA HAVING AN AUDITOR, HAVING SOMEONE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING? I I'M SURE THERE ARE. UM, AND I HAVEN'T A I'VE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I ENGAGE WITH OTHER MANAGERS OR, OR MAYORS, I ASK, I HAVEN'T FOUND ONE. I I THINK IT'S, IT'S SOMEPLACE, IT'S PROBABLY UNUSUAL FOR THE SMALLER RURAL COMMUNITIES. IT'S MORE OF A SURE. THE PHOENIXES AND TUCSONS OF THE WORLD PROBABLY HAVE INTERNAL PROGRAMS LIKE THIS. UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN OTHER SMALL COMMUNITIES, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T OF COURSE HAPPEN. SCOTTSDALE HAS A ACTUALLY A VERY WELL-KNOWN PROGRAM. AND, AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S NOT MY MODEL. IT, IT'S THE, I DIDN'T SAY WE, IT'S THE, UH, INDEPENDENT, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE GROUP, CITY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION, BUT IT'S THE AUDITOR'S ASSOCIATION. IT'S THEIR MODEL. THIS IS HOW THEY BELIEVE AND YEAH. RIGHT. WELL, OKAY. I, I'D LIKE TO POLL THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN US MOVING FORWARD, KEEPING IT ON, IT'S NOT ON A PRIORITY LIST, BUT ON AN INTEREST LIST. AND YES, YOU, YOU ARE OF COURSE FREE TO CONTINUE TO BRING IT UP TO THE NEW CITY MANAGER, BUT, WELL, AND, AND LET ME JUST, JUST MAYBE TOUCH ON THAT FOR A SECOND BECAUSE COUNSELOR, WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU WILL PURSUE IT INDEPENDENTLY, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE MODEL CORRECT. THAT, THAT WE USE HERE. AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE IS COUNCIL, A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WANTS IT TO BE PURSUED WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER AS OPPOSED TO BE, BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER IS GONNA HAVE TO SAY, YOU ARE ONE INDIVIDUAL AND I TAKE MY DI DIRECTION FROM THE MAJORITY OF COUNSEL. SO I WOULD JUST OFFER THAT. NO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WAS GOING TO GO THERE AS WELL. BUT I MEAN, WHEN, AND WHEN I SAY WHAT I JUST SAID, I SHOULD HAVE SAID YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE, UH, FREEDOM TO DISCUSS ANYTHING AS, AS ONE INDIVIDUAL TO OFFER YOUR OPINION. RIGHT. BUT NOT TO, AND YOU WOULDN'T BE SPEAKING AND YOU KNOW THAT. YES. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I GET, I TOTALLY GET THAT. YEAH. SO TO CLARIFY, YOU JUST, YEAH, ME PUR ME PURSUING IS IN MY ROLE AS COUNSELOR WITH THE POWERS THAT I HAVE OR DON'T HAVE. RIGHT. . RIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IF I TAKE A POLL HERE, UH, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT, UH, CONSIDERING THIS MOVING FORWARD. UH, COUNCILOR, UH, WILLIAMSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST? NOT REALLY. COUNCILOR KINSELLA, SINCE THIS ISN'T A PRIORITY AND THIS IS JUST A LIST OF THINGS TO KEEP UNDER CONSIDERATION. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE STAYING ON THE LIST. IN FACT, I THINK THIS PART OF THIS LIST MIGHT GROW AND THE OTHER ONE GET CUT A LITTLE BIT. BUT I, I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THIS LIST BEING INCLUSIVE OF THIS ITEM. OKAY. I'VE STATED MY POINT VICE MAYOR, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN ON THE LIST FOR A FEW YEARS. UH, I WOULD WAIT TILL WE HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER AND THEN, AND I KNOW SHERRY PUSHED IT BACK A COUPLE TIMES. SHERRY'S RIGHT THERE. SO SHE'S MM-HMM. THIS IS FOR THE AUDITOR FOR, UH, THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO A PERFORMANCE, TO HER PERFORMANCE ORDER. THIS IS NOT A FINANCIAL, THIS IS A FINANCIAL AUDITOR. THIS IS NOT, DID YOU UNDERSTAND THE SAME THING? THIS IS NOT A FINANCIAL, THIS IS NOT FINANCIAL. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. I JUST WANNA BE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. I, YOU KNOW, I WAS COMING IN WHEN I APOLOGIZE. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT IS, SO MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, IF I REMEMBER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IT'S GOING TO BE SHADOWING THE, THE CITY MANAGER TO DO AN AUDIT OF EMPLOYEES. ARE THEY BEING FUNCTIONING IN THEIR FALSE CAPACITY? UH, OR ARE THEY BEING UTILIZED APPROPRIATELY ACCORDING TO THAT FIRM OR THAT PERSON? IS, IS THAT, IS THAT A BAD ACCURATE YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD START. IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO BE WITH EMPLOYEES. IT, IT COULD BE PROJECTS. IT COULD BE THINGS LIKE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER, [01:35:01] YOU KNOW? RIGHT. SO WE, IT'S REALLY ABOUT BEST PRACTICES AND AN INDEPENDENT VIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON. IT'S AS OPPOSED TO US DOING IT ON OUR OWN. I WOULD WAIT TILL THE NEW CITY, SEE IF THE NEW CITY MANAGER HAS ANY INTEREST IN THIS, BECAUSE I JUST SEE THAT PERSON NEEDING SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR TO GET UP TO SPEED. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WANNA BE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THEM TO GET UP TO SPEED OR IT'D BE A HINDRANCE. I DON'T KNOW. WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. TO YOUR POINT, IF COUNSELOR FURMAN WANTS TO HAVE A, A ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSION WITH THE NEW MANAGER AND THE NEW MAGIC COMES BACK TO US AND SAYS, I LIKE THAT IDEA, I WOULD REVISIT IT THEN. CORRECT. BUT AS FAR AS WHAT I'M SAYING, AND IF THE SAME PERSON COMES BACK AND SAYS, I SEE NO PURPOSE OF IT HERE, EVEN AFTER A YEAR, AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT MANAGER HOPEFULLY TO FIT INTO THAT JOB AFTER A YEAR OR SO TO GET MORE COMFORTABLE TO, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND PROCESSES TO GO WITH BEFORE THEY EVEN MAKE THAT DECISION. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? IT DOES. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDED MODEL BY THE INDEPENDENT AUDITORS ASSOCIATION IS, IT'S NOT A POSITION THAT REPORTS TO A MANAGER. IT'S A, ANOTHER POSITION THAT REPORTS TO THE COUNCIL. AND IT'S A, IT'S A, A SEPARATE PATH OF GETTING RECOMMENDATIONS OF POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT A COUNCIL MIGHT BE. DOES DR. CUT THE CITY MANAGER? I DON'T KNOW. THAT IS SO, NEEDS A LOT MORE CONVERSATION. ANOTHER POSITION TO REPORT TO COUNCIL. AH, RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF THIS. I DON'T WANNA GO TOO DEEP IN WHY I DON'T WANT THIS. I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS. I MEAN, IT'S UP TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT, UH, TO ME FOR THE SIZE OF THIS, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT SCOTTSDALE. WE'RE NOT PHOENIX. OKAY. WE'RE LUCKY WE HAVE THE EMPLOYEES WE HAVE NOW TO, TO HAVE MORE OVERSIGHT ON TOP OF THEM TO TELL THEM HOW TO DO THEIR JOB OR WHAT NOT TO, UH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED, SO THIS IS A POSITION, A COMPANY, A COMPANY, A FIRM THAT WOULD BE HIRED AS A CONSULTANT TYPE OF FIRM POSITION IS BEST THE RECOMMENDED MODEL. IT'S A POSITION I DON'T SUPPORT IT AT, BUT I, IF THE, IF THE MANAGER COMES BACK WITH IT, RIGHT, I'D BE ABLE, YEAH. I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS A BUDGETARY ISSUE AS WELL. AND IF THE CITY, NEW CITY MANAGER, I MEAN, IF COUNCILOR FURMAN WOULD WANT TO DISCUSS IT AND SEE IF THEY THINK THAT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE THING FOR A, A CITY OF OUR SIZE, UM, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IT IS. BUT IF THAT, IF THEY CAME THEN BACK TO, UH, COUNSEL WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEN I, WE WOULD HAVE THAT. I THINK WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THEN. RIGHT. BUT, UM, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO, TO ADD WHEN WE, WHEN WE COULD SPEND OUR STAFF BUDGET ON STAFF POSITIONS, THAT MIGHT BE MORE USEFUL FOR US TO GET PRIORITY PROJECTS MOVED FORWARD. I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. BRIAN. UH, I DON'T PERSONALLY SUPPORT IT BEING ON OUR PRIORITY LIST, BUT I DON'T OBJECT TO IT BEING ON THE OTHER PROJECTS INITIATIVES LIST AT THIS TIME. AND I DON'T WANT SEE IT JUST SIT THERE FOR YEARS ON END EITHER. SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT GAINS TRACTION MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME WE'RE SITTING HERE NEXT YEAR, THEN PROBABLY IT NEEDS TO GO AWAY AT THAT TIME. P SO I'M COUNTING FOUR TO THREE. IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT, JOE? OKAY. SO, UH, ARE WE IN AGREEMENT? WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO A PERSONAL CONVERSATION. ONE-ON-ONE WITH, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN AND, AND THE NEW CITY MANAGER AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME, GIVEN THAT ALL THE, UH, LEARNING CURVE THAT THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. AND THEN IF THAT PERSON COMES BACK TO US AT A LATER DATE, WE WOULD LEAVE IT AT THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH A FOUR TO THREE VOTE. IS IS IT STAYING ON THE LIST THEN? ON THIS? NO, NO. THANK YOU. BRIAN SAYS IT'S A, OH, THAT'S THREE. WHO WERE THE FOUR? WELL, I THOUGHT, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU, VICE MAYOR, COUNCILOR DUNN, MYSELF AND JESSICA. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WAS SELLA VERY WISHY-WASHY AND FURMAN . SO NOW WE, WE ARE SEEING THAT. WHERE ARE YOU? I AGAIN, I DON'T, THIS ISN'T THE LIST OF PRIORITIES. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THINGS FROM LIST TO LIST. THAT THAT'S WHERE THIS IS. I DON'T, I DON'T. OKAY. WELL THEN WE'RE STILL FOUR TO THREE. UH, OPPOSED OKAY. OPPOSED TO KEEPING IT ON THE LIST OPPOSED TO KEEPING ON THE LIST. NOT OPPOSED [01:40:01] TO COUNCIL FROM AND HAVING HIS OWN PERSONAL CONVERSATION. WE ALL, WE ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK TO THE CITY MANOR ABOUT ANY OF OUR OWN COURSE PERSONAL AGENDA ITEMS. AND SO TO BE CLEAR THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S IT. WE ALL HAVE THAT. RIGHT. AND FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, WE ALL USE IT. . OH YEAH. NO, WE ALL DO. BUT ALSO, AND SO THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. THE QUESTION WHICH YOU IDENTIFIED IS, IS IT ON OR OFF? THE LIST? ON LIST. AND I THINK A LOT OF OUR ISSUES COULD BE PUT ON THIS LIST. I THINK THIS ISSUE CAN COME OFF PENDING. UH, DEVELOPMENT. WE DECIDED, WHAT'S THAT? I THOUGHT WE WERE DECIDED. WHY ARE WE, BECAUSE SHE, JESSICA WANTS TO CONTINUE. OKAY. DREW OUT, BUT IT'S JUST ME. OKAY. UH, DEVELOP AN IMPACT FEE UPDATE. WHO MIGHT THAT BE? SHERRY? VERY CHRISTMASSY. GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING. SO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, CONTRACTED WITH THE SAME FIRM THAT WE HAVE BEEN USING FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE UPDATE. WE ARE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH AND DO AN UPDATE EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO WE ARE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UM, THEY HAVE COME DONE THE KICKOFF MEETING. WE'VE STARTED PROVIDING INFORMATION FOR THEM FOR THE CALCULATIONS THAT THEY DO. UM, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH REVIEWING ALL THAT DATA. I THINK WE MAY HAVE GIVEN THEM ALL THE DATA NOW, NOT AT THE TIME THAT YOU HAD YOUR PACKET. UM, THAT WE HAD THAT PREPARED. THERE WAS STILL A FEW THINGS THAT, UH, WE WERE WAITING ON FROM, UM, CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS. SO, BUT I THINK ALL, THEY'VE GOT EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED. IT'S ABOUT A SIX MONTH PROCESS OF ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT THEY DO AND GO THROUGH BEFORE WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE COMING TO COUNCIL. AND THEN IT'S ABOUT A NINE MONTH PROCESS, UM, FOR, UM, ONCE WE HAVE LIKE THE WORK SESSION WITH YOU TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT BEFORE THE FEES WOULD ACTUALLY BE EFFECTIVE. UM, THIS IS A DIFFERENT TIMELINE THAN WHEN WE, UH, WENT THROUGH THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. SO WHEN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNSEL AT THE END OF NOVEMBER AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL IT'S AT LEAST 30 DAYS OF JANUARY ONE WAS GONNA BE THE EFFECTIVE DATE. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT LAYERS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES AND HOW THOSE WORK. SO EVEN FROM WHEN YOU SAY, YEP, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 75 DAYS BEFORE THE FEES CAN TAKE EFFECT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS WITHIN THIS PROCESS AND THAT'S WHY IT TAKES SUCH A LONG TIME. . SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL, ELLA, CAN THIS ROLL INTO WHAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING BEFORE? BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND SPURRING DEVELOPMENT, WHAT OUR OBSTACLES TO DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THIS SHOULD COME OFF THIS LIST AND BE COMBINED WITH OUR CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, ABOUT HOUSING INITIATIVES, INCLUDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ISSUES THAT WE MAY WANNA TAKE ON INDIVIDUALLY. BUT I SEE THESE AS RELATED, UM, AT LEAST ON THE BIGGER LEVEL RELATED, UM, THAT COULD BE FOLDED INTO THAT CONVERSATION AND COMBINED INTO AN ITEM. THE LAST TIME THAT THE FEE STUDY UPDATE WAS DONE, THE STRUCTURE OF HOW THESE FEES WA WAS SET UP WAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE LIKE SMALLER FEES FOR LIKE A SMALLER HOME, EVEN LIKE TINY HOME LEVEL. SO IT'S, IT'S BASED OFF OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIZE OF THE HOME IN THE WAY THE FEES ARE STRUCTURED. SO AGAIN, THAT MIGHT BE, SO ANYTHING MORE THAT WE WOULD DO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPURRING CERTAIN KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT OR NOT. I, I SEE THIS, I STILL SEE THIS AS AS FOLDED IN AND MAYBE WE COULD COMBINE THEM, BUT THAT'S AN OPINION. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE STRUCTURE OF THE DIFF FEES ALREADY, THIS IS REALLY, IT'S A RELATED ISSUE, BUT IT'S NOT TIED NECESSARILY TO THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING. I THINK YOU CAN HAVE A MEANINGFUL POLICY CONVERSATION WHEN YOU SEE THE PROPOSED UPDATED FEES AS TO WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SUBSIDIZE, WHAT FEES YOU WOULD WANT TO DECREASE, UM, FOR WHAT SIZE OR TYPE OF HOUSING. SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT WE MIGHT END UP ALLOWING AS OTHER HOUSING TYPES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT, IT, IT, IT DOES. I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR ME IS THEN DOES THIS, IF IT'S HAPPENING AND IT'S UNDERWAY, UM, DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON THIS LIST? BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S BEING DRIVEN TO US ANYWAY FROM THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE. THAT WAS ALREADY BECAUSE IT WAS ON A LIST FOR LAST YEAR. OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE IDENTIFYING THAT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO DO BECAUSE THERE'S WORK HAPPENING AND WE KNOW IT'S COMING BACK, SHOULD IT ACTUALLY MOVE ON TO THE PRIORITY LIST? SO THOSE ARE [01:45:01] SORT OF THE, JUST THE PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS I HAVE TOWARD THIS ABOUT DEVELOPING OUR PRIORITIES. OOH, SILENCE. . OH, WELL I, I OF COURSE HAVE AN OPINION. GO AHEAD. I BELIEVE WHAT KAREN SAID EARLIER WAS THAT THIS IS A PLACE SHE PUTS IMPORTANT STUFF THAT THE STAFF IS DOING LIKE HOME RULE AND HAS TO DO AND WILL DO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A PRIORITY FOR THE COUNCIL OR NOT. AND THAT THAT'S WHY THIS IS HERE AND THAT'S WHERE IT BELONGS. AND IT'S REALLY NOT OUR PRIORITY. IT'S A PRIORITY FOR STAFF THIS YEAR. AND THEY'RE DOING IT AND IT'S LIKE HOME RULE AND THERE MAY BE OTHER. IS THAT, IS THAT A GOOD CHARACTERIZATION? IT VERY MUCH SO. AND JUST LIKE HOME RULE THIS FOR YOUR NEXT YEAR, THIS WILL COME OFF BECAUSE BY THEN IT WILL BE COMPLETED. MM-HMM. . WE GOOD? OKAY. ANYTHING ON THIS SIDE? THE QUIET SIDE AND, OKAY. THANK YOU SHERRY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UPDATE NUMBER THREE. UH, UPDATE ON BUILDING CODE. I GUESS THAT'S STEVE AGAIN. HE DOESN'T GET ENOUGH OF US, I GUESS. HURRY, HURRY, HURRY, HURRY. AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT TIRED OF ME NEVER UHUH, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH TOO MUCH. WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN. OKAY. SO THE BUILDING CODE UPDATES. UM, WHEN WE UPDATED IN 2018, WE HAD MET WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, COUNTIES AND, UM, PROPOSED THAT WE ALL, UH, BE CONSISTENT IN OUR BASE BUILDING CODES THE YEAR, THE ADDITION. UM, AND THAT WE WOULD KEEP TO A SIX YEAR CYCLE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE VERDE VALLEY AREA TO HELP DESIGNERS, TO HELP CONTRACTORS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT ADDITIONS OF THE CODE, UH, AS PART OF THE DESIGN. UM, THE OTHER REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT THE NEW CODES DO THE UPDATES IS THAT IN SIX YEARS THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF NEW PRODUCTS, NEW PROCEDURES AND INSTRUCTION. UM, THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THESE CODES TO ADDRESS THESE NEW PRODUCTS AND PROCEDURES, THEN WE START FALLING BEHIND. UM, UM, PV INSTALLATIONS BY THEMSELVES CHANGE EXPONENTIALLY. WE HAVE SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CODE TO PROPERLY ADDRESS THEM. UM, STEVE PV PV YES. IS PHOTOVOLTAIC. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED BE, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, YOU SAID WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT TO YOU. SO SOLAR PANELS AND, OKAY. UM, SO WE ALSO ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE COST ISSUE. AND SO PART OF WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IN THIS UPDATE IS LOOKING AT WHAT THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS ARE GONNA BE FOR THIS UPDATED CODE. AND THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THAT. SO, UM, AND ICC, WHICH IS THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL WHO WRITES THESE CODES, UM, HAS STARTED THEIR OWN PROGRAM OF IDENTIFYING WHAT THE ADDITIONAL COSTS ARE FOR EACH OF THESE UPDATED CODES. SO, UM, I DO WISH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FOR THOSE REASONS THAT I STATED. OKAY. QUESTIONS? OKAY. COMMENTS? NOTHING. OKAY. PROCEED. PROCEED. GO FOR, I I I JUST HAD ONE, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, STEVE. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND. FOR PHOTOVOLTAIC, WOULD THAT BE LIKE FOR THE VIEWS OF SOME OF THESE PANELS ON THE ROOFTOPS? IF IT'S A UNSIGHTLY VIEW, IS THAT PART OF WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TYPE OF HOOKUP? IS IT WHAT, WHAT IS THE ISSUE? NO, IT IS THE TYPES OF EQUIPMENT MEANS OF HOOKING THEM UP. THE, THE, THE, UH, WAY IT GETS PROCESSED FROM DC TO AC CURRENT. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S [01:50:01] THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL INSTALLATION AND THE WORKINGS OF IT NOT SO WHAT YOU WERE, UH, IDENTIFYING WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THE LDC AND NOT BY THE BUILDING CODES. WHAT ABOUT, AND I'VE HAD TWO PEOPLE ACTUALLY CALL ME ABOUT THIS, WHERE THEIR NEIGHBORS PUT IN A, A PHOTO OF A VOLTAIC SYSTEM AND THEY BROUGHT ALL THE WORKINGS DOWN ON THE SIDE OF A GARAGE OF THE HOUSE AND THEY DIDN'T PAINT THE ELEC, YOU KNOW, ALL THE ELECTRONICS MM-HMM. AND THE BOXES TO MATCH THE REST OF THE HOUSE. WHY THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW. BUT DO WE HAVE THAT IN OUR CODE? WE DO. AND IT IS A REQUIREMENT. SO IF THEY HADN'T DONE IT, THEN IT'S EITHER NOT A COMPLETED PERMIT. UM, WE DO HAVE MANY OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THE CONTRACTOR MAKES A DEAL WITH THE HOMEOWNER AND SAYS, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN, YOU PAINT IT. RIGHT. UH, SO WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE OPEN FOR THOSE REASONS. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME. MOVE FORTH AND CONQUER. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE. POSSIBLE. UH, NEW CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES DISCUSSION UPDATE, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING, UH, PROJECTED FOR DECEMBER FOR LAST, UH, FOR TODAY. OKAY. SMALL GRANT PROGRAM EXPANSION. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE VICE MAYOR. IT IS. OKAY. I HAVE SOME HANDOUTS. OOH. MATERIALS TO HAND OUT. THIS IS A TWO PARTER. ONE PART IS ABOUT THE, THE OVERALL BUDGET. AND THE SECOND PART THANK YOU, IS A CHANGE TO THE WAY WE LOOK AT THE WAY WE LOOK AT THE PROGRAM. SO IN DOING SOME RESEARCH, I, IN DOING SOME RESEARCH, UH, I'VE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH STEPHANIE GIBA WHO MANAGES THIS PROGRAM FOR US AND ALSO WITH MEMBERS OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY. AND IF YOU RECALL, LAST, UH, YEAR, WELL, THIS YEAR FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR. FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO WE, WE, UM, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS STARTS IN FEBRUARY FOR THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM. AND THE AWARDS ARE MADE FOR THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR. SO IN THIS FI IN, IN THE AWARDS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE AWARDED $200,000. AND THE TOTAL ASK WAS ABOUT 3 75. THERE WERE 29 ORGANIZATIONS THAT APPLIED FOR SMALL GRANTS. AND THE WAY THAT THAT WAS BROKEN DOWN, THE ARTS COMMUNITY RECEIVED 86,000. WOW. OF THE 200,000. AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY GOT 114,000. UH, WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU IN THE HANDOUT TO SHOW YOU THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 2008, 2009, WE HAD A DIFFERENT PROCESS WHERE THE ARTS COMMUNITY GOT $120,000 WORTH OF, OF, OF FUNDING FROM THE CITY. AND IT WAS CONSIDERED TO BE , UH, RELATED TO TOURISM. AND THEY JUST FILLED OUT AN APPLICATION. THE SECOND PAGE YOU HAVE IS THE APPLICATION THEY FILLED OUT. WOW. AND THEN THEY WERE AWARDED MONEY. SO SINCE 2008, MORE AND MORE WHAT I'LL CALL SOCIAL SERVICE HUMAN SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE APPLIED. SO WHERE IT USED TO BE MORE LIKE 60 40 ARTS TO SOCIAL SERVICES. NOW IT'S THE REVERSE WHERE THE ARTS HAVE BEEN REDUCED FROM 120,000 TO 86,000 JUST IN THOSE TWO YEARS. I DIDN'T DO AN ANALYSIS OF, UH, THE TIME FROM 2009 TO 2022. BUT, UH, I WAS THINKING ABOUT, AND I ASKED STEPHANIE, HOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL? AND I WENT THROUGH THE, THE PRESENTATION AND THERE WERE A LOT OF GROUPS THAT THEY WANTED TO FUND MORE, BUT THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY STAYED WITH THEIR BUDGET OF $200,000. SO WE SAID THAT WE WANTED TO INCREASE THE BUDGET. SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH COUNCIL WANTS TO INCREASE THE BUDGET, BUT THEN THEY FEEL TORN. THE GROUP, THE GROUP THAT EVALUATES, FEELS TORN COMMITTEE BETWEEN COMMITTEE FUNDING FOR THE ARTS, WHICH TENDS TO BE A HIGHER AMOUNT THAN FUNDING FOR AND, AND A HIGHER ASK THAN FUNDING FOR THE HUMAN SERVICE SOCIAL SERVICES. AND THEY FEEL TORN BETWEEN BASIC, UH, QUALITY [01:55:01] OF LIFE, BASIC LIVING CONDITIONS VERSUS THE ARTS. AND IN MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THAT NOW THE CHAMBER YEARS AGO USED TO FUND EVENTS AND I'VE LOOKED AT VARIOUS OTHER, UM, CITIES AND THEY FUND EVENTS THAT BRING IN TOURISTS. EXAMPLE OF THE FILM FESTIVAL IS CERTAINLY IS AVAILABLE FOR LOCALS, BUT IT BRINGS IN A HUGE NUMBER OF TOURISTS. AND THE SAME THING WITH THE PLAN AIR FESTIVAL THAT, THAT THE ART CENTER DOES EVERY OCTOBER BRINGS IN LOTS OF ARTISTS, BRINGS IN THEIR FOLLOWERS, BRINGS IN OTHER PEOPLE. SO WHY WOULDN'T WE POTENTIALLY WANT TO, UH, SEPARATE OUT THE FUNDING, WHICH STEPHANIE COMPLETELY SUPPORTS. AND I TOLD HER I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT TODAY. SHE GAVE ME PERMISSION TO DO SO, UH, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT TORN. SO WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR THE ARTS THAT I WOULD PROPOSE COMES OUT OF BED TAX MONEY AND A BUDGET FOR THE HUMAN SERVICES SOCIAL SERVICES END. AND ALSO THAT INCLUDES EDUCATION. 'CAUSE THERE WAS GRANTS THAT WE GAVE FOR, FOR THE SCHOOLS. UH, AND THAT IS GENERAL FUND FUNDED. SO THAT'S MY TWO CONVERSATIONS. I WANNA HAVE THE TOTAL BUDGET AND THEN THE SEPARATION OF THE BUDGET AND THE SEPARATION OF THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE BUDGET TO SEE WHETHER YOU GUYS AGREE. AND WHEN I FIRST HAD THIS IDEA, I HAD NO IDEA THAT THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO DO. COUNCIL FOR YEARS FUNDED THE ARTS THROUGH A TOURISM. AND, UH, AND THEN THE ARTS JUST AUTOMATICALLY, THERE WERE LIKE FIVE ORGANIZATIONS. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THEY'D BE AUTOMATIC, BUT THEY FILLED OUT A SIMPLE FORM AND IT WAS DIFFERENT FORM FROM WHAT WE HAVE NOW. I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT THIS NECESSARILY BE THE FORM I'M SHOWING YOU IS WHAT IT USED TO BE. AND THAT THIS WAS NOT, IS NOT UNIQUE IN THE SENSE OF, OF A FUNDING SITUATION. GOOD. OKAY. COUNCIL FOLTZ. THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK, UM, I I, I THINK ABOUT THIS FIRST AS YOU KNOW, TO WHAT LEVEL DO WE WANT TO FUND THE THE GRANTS DOING QUESTIONS. OH, GO AHEAD. WHATEVER. OKAY. I, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS. I JUST HAVE COMMENTS, SO I'LL OKAY THEN LET'S, THANK YOU MELISSA. SO I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UM, HOW WOULD THEY CLASSIFY SOMETHING LIKE THE, UH, FUNDING THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE CHILDREN'S THEATER, WHICH IS ARTS, BUT IT DOESN'T BRING IN TOURISM. MM-HMM. IT DOESN'T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS. RIGHT. IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND ALLOW CHILDREN TO HAVE AN OUTLET THAT THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THROUGH THE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES. SO HOW WOULD THAT HA BE HANDLED? YOU KNOW, IT'D BE UP TO STEPHANIE, BUT IN MY MIND THAT WOULD BE UNDER EDUCATION MORE THAN IT WOULD BE ARTS. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT TOURISM DRIVEN. I'M TALKING ABOUT EVENTS. IT'S REALLY THE EVENTS. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT HAS TO BE CLEAR. THAT WAS MY POINT, IS THAT THERE'S, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU CAN'T CALL IT ARTS 'CAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF THINGS THAT MIGHT BE ARTS RELATED, WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TOURISM TYPE EVENTS. AND SO WE WOULD NEED CLARITY AND LANGUAGE TO, TO MOVE THAT FORWARD IN MY MIND, BECAUSE I WOULD WOULDN'T WANT SOMETHING LIKE CHILDREN'S THEATER TO SUDDENLY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO AND SORT OF FALL IN BETWEEN THE CRACKS AND NO LONGER BE FUNDED BY, BY THE CITY. SO ON THIS APPLICATION IT SAID, DOES YOUR ORGANIZATION HOLD EVENTS PRIMARILY? AND THIS IS THE DON CITY LIMITS MULTI-DAY EVENTS THAT ATTRACT OUT OF TOWN VISITORS. AND IT'S ALL GEARED TOWARDS TOR EVENTS THAT AREN'T EVENTS THAT CREATE TOURISM. PETE. YEP. THANK YOU MAYOR. I, YEAH. VICE MAYOR. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. MM-HMM. WHAT YOU PERCEIVE AS THE PROBLEM. AND I DIDN'T HEAR IT IN A WAY THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU THINK THE PROBLEM IS. AND I HEARD YOU SAY LAST YEAR WAS 86,000 FOR THE ARTS AND ONE 14 FOR EVERYONE ELSE. MM-HMM. . SO WHAT, WHAT CONCERNED YOU ABOUT THAT ALLOCATION? THAT, UM, OUR SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS IS DECREASING. OKAY. AND THAT THE COMMITTEE IS TORN BETWEEN FUNDING FOR THE ARTS VERSUS [02:00:01] FUNDING FOR BASIC NECESSITIES OF LIFE. AND SO THEY FELT THAT THEY RAN UP AGAINST THE LIMIT, THEIR BUDGET LIMIT AND HAD DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO MAKE AND CORRECT. AND SO THE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP IS SHOULD THE NUMBER BE BIGGER? CORRECT. I THINK, WHICH, YOU KNOW, JUST PROJECTING OUT, THIS WILL ALWAYS BE A PROBLEM, RIGHT. NO MATTER WHAT NUMBER YOU PUT IN THE POOL, IT'S GONNA BE USED UP AS SOON AS THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND, YOU KNOW, GOOD ON THEM. . BUT, BUT THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THAT IF THE MONEY WAS SEPARATED AND WE USED BED TAX DOLLARS FOR EVENTS THAT BRING IN TOURISM, WHICH IS NOW COMBINED WITH THE, UH, IN, IN THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, WE POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE A LARGER POT THAT WASN'T JUST GENERAL FUND FUNDED. YEAH. SO I, I, I WONDER IF WHEN YOU START TO DESIGNATE THE POTS, WHETHER YOU DON'T THEN ALSO CREATE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT IN ANY GIVEN YEAR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S LESS S THAN THE OTHER. AND IF, IF IT WAS JUST GENERAL MONEY EVERY YEAR THE COMMITTEE CAN ADAPT TO WHATEVER THE PROPOSALS ARE ON THE TABLE AND ALLOCATE IT OUT. WHEREAS IF YOU START TO DESIGNATE IT, NOW WE END UP WITH KIND OF RESERVE FUND ISSUE THAT MAYBE THERE WASN'T AS MANY REQUESTS IN THAT POT. AND WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT MONEY? DOES THAT TRANSFER OVER? DOES IT PUT IN THE RESERVE FUND FOR THE NEXT YEAR? I MEAN, , THERE'S NEVER BEEN A SITUA AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THEY FUND CHAMBER MUSIC ORCHESTRA, THE SYMPHONY, WHICH NOW IS A NEW NAME OF SYMPHONY, UH, THE ART CENTER, THE FILM FESTIVAL, AND THE ARTS, UM, UH, SHOW THAT'S AT PO AT, UH, THIS, THE, UM, RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL EVERY SINGLE YEAR THOSE HAVE GOTTEN FUNDING WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT MISSING A YEAR. THEY GET FUNDED AND THEY TAKE OUT MONEY THAT WOULD BE IN THE OTHER POT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT'S THEY, AND THEY FEEL COMPELLED TO FUND THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS. MM-HMM. IN SEDONA. AND THE OTHER GROUPS ARE GETTING LESS MONEY BECAUSE THE ARTS ARE ASKING FOR LARGER AMOUNTS AND REQUIRE LARGER AMOUNTS. AND SO IT'S A CONFLICT AND WE HAVE THIS OTHER POT OF MONEY. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MY, THAT WAS WHAT MY THINKING WAS. AND WE FUND THEM EVERY SINGLE YEAR. WE'RE NOT GONNA NOT FUND THESE ORGANIZATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON KAT THANK COUNCIL. YEAH, I, I HAVE A SERIES, I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS. UM, SO THIS IS AN ACTUAL SHEET FROM 2008 AND 2000? YES. AND THEY GOT $30,000 THEN UP TO 30,000? YES. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SORT OF ON A GLOBAL PICTURE, THIS IS REALLY NOT A SMALL GRANT PROGRAM. NO. IT WAS PER, PERHAPS AND THAT SMALL, SMALL GRANTS, AND IT WAS, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT MAYBE BETTER PART OF OUR TOURISM DEPARTMENT, UM, RATHER THAN HAVE IT PART, PART OF THE SMALL GRANTS AT ALL HAVE IT BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS JUST, IT'S MARKETING AND IT'S PROMOTION AND IT'S ALL OF THAT. SO I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF, UH, ANY SMALL GRANT PROGRAM. I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE LIKE A SERVICE CONTRACT. WE HAVE THESE EVENTS AND WE'RE GONNA FUND THEM EVERY YEAR TO SOME AMOUNT. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WHERE THIS BELONGS AND WHAT IT IS. I PROFOUNDLY DO NOT BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME AS SMALL GRANTS. IT'S NOT, AND I'M NOT SURE IT SHOULD BE HANDLED AS PART OF THAT SAME PROCESS. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK WISH KAREN, I TALKED TO KAREN ABOUT IT. SHE WAS NOT READY TO MOVE IT TO THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT. OKAY. SO IF WE, OKAY. SO IN THE INTERIM, SHE WANTED PART. YES, EXACTLY. OKAY. SO LET'S MOVE ON FROM THAT. IF YOU DID THIS, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN REDUCING THE OTHER POT OR IS THIS IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER POT AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE? 1 62 OR WHATEVER? WE USUALLY 200,000, 200,000. NOW THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL THIS UP. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE NO FEELING ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I GUESS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THIS IS MORE LIKE A SERVICE CONTRACT THAN A GRANT. I MEAN, IF WE INTEND TO FUND THESE EVERY YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IS, IS BECAUSE [02:05:01] THIS IS REALLY NOT SMALL GROUPS THAT ARE COMING EVERY YEAR AND WANT, LIKE VERDE VALLEY SANCTUARY AND THINGS THAT WANT SORT OF SMALLER POTS OF MONEY FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS. SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS SHOULD BE STRUCTURED. I'M NOT, IF WE SAY $30,000, THEY'RE ALL GONNA ASK FOR $30,000. UM, UH, THIS IS NO, I KNOW THIS IS WHAT IT WAS. THIS IS WHAT IT WAS. UM, I WOULD BE REALLY, I MEAN, I WOULD TOTALLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF DESIGNING A PRO A PROGRAM AS HOW THIS WOULD WORK RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND I, SO I THINK IT IS AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, I MEAN, I'M READY TO SAY YES. I WANNA LOOK AT A PROJECT, WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. YEAH. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN QUESTIONS, RIGHT? NOT COMMENTS. SO SHE HAS BEEN ASKING SOME QUESTIONS. I HAVE BEEN VICE MAYOR, SO, BUT LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT. YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, OKAY. COMMENTS LATER. I DID ASK QUESTIONS, BUT THEN I GOT CARRIED AWAY, SO THANK YOU. SO COUNCIL ELLA AND THEN PETE, YOU HAVE SOMEONE. OKAY, SO I, I'M, I I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I WANNA UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE I HAVE, I ECHO A LOT OF WHAT COUNCIL WILLIAMSON HAD IN HER QUESTIONS. UM, TO ME IT'S A RATIO. IT'S A RATIO ISSUE. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET? IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT A RATIO OF NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT OVER THE YEARS MM-HMM. BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THIS MORPHED INTO SMALL GRANTS. MM-HMM. , IT WAS A DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAT MORPHED INTO SMALL GRANTS AND RECEIVED THE LION'S SHARE OF THE SMALL GRANTS THAT WERE ISSUED WENT TO THE ARTS. OH. SINCE THE PANDEMIC THAT HAS SHIFTED AND MORE OF THE MONEY HAS GONE TO AND MORE OF THE SOCIAL SERVICE HUMAN SERVICE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN AWARE OF SMALL GRANTS AND THEY REALLY DON'T ASK FOR A LOT OF MONEY. THEY ASK FOR SMALL AMOUNTS OF MONEY. THE ARTS ASK FOR LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY. SO THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO SEPARATE THESE PROGRAMS, THESE FUND PRO, THESE FUNDING STREAMS COULD, UH, COMPLETELY. SO THERE'S A SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM AND THEN THERE'S A, AN ARTS SUPPORT EVENTS, EVENTS SUPPORT PROGRAM THAT SUPPORT. SO THE QUESTION THAT I, A QUESTION, A QUESTION THAT I HAVE, 'CAUSE I HAVE MORE, IS, IS THAT AN ACCOUNTING PROBLEM FOR STAFF? SHALL WE SAY? NO. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHILD HAD NEW SOFTWARE TO HELP ANYWAY. THAT, THAT THAT, OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS IMPORTANT. AND ALSO THEN I HEARD YOU SAY, AND I WANT ALSO JUST CONFIRMATION THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE POT OF MONEY THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR HUMAN SERVICE PROGRAMS TO REMAIN BECAUSE FROM ITS SOURCE. BECAUSE WE COULD MOVE THE EVENTS PROGRAMS INTO FUNDS THAT ARE COMING FROM BED TAX FUNDS. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND YOUR STAFF CONFIRMATION AS WELL'S LOOKING FOR SHERRY TO GIMME A NOD OR SOMETHING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, SO IF YOU WANT TO DESIGNATE IT COMING FROM BED TAX, BUT IT'S UNRESTRICTED MONEY AND IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUNDS, SO IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED THAT DESIGNATION. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT KAREN MAY THINK, BUT MAYBE IT COULD BE PART OF, UM, THE ARTS AND CULTURE PROGRAM WE ALREADY HAVE UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT NANCY RUNS. UM, JUST CODING IT THERE OR, YEAH. AND, AND I THINK IT REALLY SIX ONE HALF DOZEN OF ANOTHER IN TERMS OF SOURCES AS, AS SHERRY MENTIONED, IT'S, IT'S ALL GENERAL FUND REALLY. UM, WHERE WE BUDGET IT INTERNALLY, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION TOO. SO, OKAY. SO, OKAY. MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, SO, UM, I'D LIKE WHEN WE GET TO COMMENT, I'LL OPINE ON THAT QUESTION. OKAY. MY, I HAVE A QUESTION WHICH WOULD BE TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER HER THOUGHTS ON THIS TOPIC. WELL, I WAS GONNA DO THAT TOO, BUT THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, SO I, I HAVE NO QUALMS WITH, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DESIGNATE THIS MUCH SHOULD BE FOR THIS POT AND THIS MUCH SHOULD BE FOR THIS POT. UM, I GUESS THE ONLY THING I WOULD OFFER IS THAT TIMING FOR FY 25 MM-HMM. , IF WE ARE TO CREATE TWO POTS AND THE COMMITTEE, SO STEPHANIE AND HER TEAM UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ALLOCATED IN EACH, SO THAT WHEN THEY SIT DOWN WITH ALL THE APPLICATIONS, THEY CAN CREATE THEIR TWO PILES AND THEN DISTRIBUTE FUNDS. THAT SHOULD BE [02:10:01] A VERY EASY ADMINISTRATIVE TWEAK IF WE WANTED TO CREATE TWO SEPARATE PROGRAMS OR AN ADDITIONAL PROGRAM SPECIFIC TO EVENTS THAT HAD DIFFERENT CRITERIA OR APPLICATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY FY 25. BUT, BUT I, I DON'T SEE WHY YOU COULDN'T JUST USE THE EXISTING APPLICATIONS, THE EXISTING PROCESS AND THEN JUST LET THE COMMITTEE SORT IT OUT AT THE END. PETE, YOU GOOD? DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? DO YOU, KAREN, DO YOU AGREE THAT THIS PROBLEM OF LARGE EVENTS, GRANTS KIND OF POSITIONS THE COMMITTEE IN A DIFFICULT SPOT? 'CAUSE IT'S ALL COMING FROM THE SAME POOL? I THINK IT REALLY IS JUST A POLICY KIND OF DECISION AROUND HOW MUCH DO WE AS A CITY WANT TO BE DEDICATING TO ARTS. UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE ARE TYPICALLY LARGER ASKS. IT'S ALL RIGHT NOW COMPETING FOR A, YOU KNOW, $200,000, YOU KNOW, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT COULD BE ANYTHING YOU WANT. BUT IF, IF YOU REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT YOU NEED A, ANOTHER DEDICATED SOURCE FOR ARTS, THAT'S REALLY MORE POLICY THAN IT IS SORT OF A QUANDARY. 'CAUSE YEAH, THE SMALL GRANTS COMMITTEE MOST YEARS HAS TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, HOW DO WE ALLOCATE THIS FINITE AMOUNT OF MONEY AMONGST A LOT OF COMPETING, I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ALL HAVE VALUE. THAT GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED BEFORE, THOUGH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PETE, OF, OF WHEN I SAID, IS THIS JUST A RATIO ISSUE? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, TO ME IT'S SOUNDING LIKE IT'S JUST A RATIO ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO SET UP TWO COMPLETELY PROGRAMS. WELL, I WAS, HERE'S A $300,000 POT. 200,000 GOES IN THIS CA TO THESE CATEGORIES AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND GOES THERE. THAT'S JUST A RATIO ISSUE. WE THINK IT MONEY IS THAT, IS THAT IT, IT'S A DISTRIBUTION ISSUE. IT'S HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO HAVE FOR THESE TYPES OF AWARDS AND HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO HAVE FOR THESE TYPES OF, I WAS ACTUALLY ON THE COMMITTEE AND SO I CAN ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHICH IS THE COMMITTEE DID STRUGGLE AND THERE WERE TIMES WHEN CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE DID NOT WANNA FUND THE EVENTS AT ALL BECAUSE THEY WERE UNHAPPY WITH THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEY THOUGHT THAT THE EVENTS SHOULD BE SELF-SUSTAINING. AND THERE WAS ALWAYS A A A A PULL. THERE REALLY ACTUALLY WAS A PULL BETWEEN FUNDING THE ART, THE LARGE ARTS INSTITUTIONS AND FUNDING THE SMALLER, THE SMALLER, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE THE CHILDREN'S THEATER AND, AND THE SMALLER THINGS. SO I CAN ACTUALLY ATTEST TO TO, TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS THAT KIND OF A PROBLEM. I DON'T THINK, AND IT WAS A CHALLENGE FOR THE COMMITTEE AND FOR THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I THINK THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED SEVERAL TIMES. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM. NO, I WAS, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT, THAT WAS MY OWN, MY OWN EXPERIENCE. 'CAUSE PETE HAD ASKED BEFORE, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIX? AND WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT. SO, UH, THANK YOU . UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS WHOLEHEARTEDLY. I MEAN, QUITE HONESTLY, WHO WAS IT THAT MENTIONED WHAT, OH, ABOUT SEPARATING THE TWO AND HAVING, HAVING A SEPARATE POT OR HOWEVER WE DO IT. SO THE, SO THE ARCH DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE HUMAN SERVICES PART BECAUSE THAT'S E EVIDENTLY GROWING. UH, YOU KNOW, UH, E EXPONENTIALLY EACH THE ASKS OF GROWING EACH YEAR FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS. SO I WANNA BE ATTENTIVE TO THAT. BUT ALSO ALL THESE ARTS, UH, APPLICATIONS, THEY ARE ALL, TECHNICALLY, I THINK THE VICE MAYOR SAID IT WELL, BRINGING THE RIGHT KIND OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING. SO THAT WOULD WORK MORE TOWARD TOURISM ULTIMATELY. MAYBE WE'LL GO INTO WHEN THE TOURISM, UH, GROUP IS UP AND REALLY GOING A HUNDRED PERCENT, MAYBE THAT COULD GO INTO THAT GROUP. BUT, SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE, UH, VICE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL. BRIAN, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO ASK. I WOULD LOVE TO OPINE. SO TO ME IT'S A, IT'S A BUDGETING QUESTION. I MEAN, I, I WOULD KEEP THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. IT'S A BUDGETING QUESTION. WE HAD A 200 K BUDGET AND THEY HAD REQUESTS FOR 3 75. RIGHT? WE ARE AN EXTRAORDINARILY FORTUNATE COMMUNITY WITH RESOURCES THAT ARE THE [02:15:01] ENVY OF ANY OTHER SMALL TOWN IN AMERICA, PROBABLY. AND IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE A BETTER PLACE TO INVEST SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES IN THE GRANT REQUESTS THAT COME IN. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE VICE MAYOR FIRST STARTED, RIGHT? UH, DESCRIBING THE, THE SITUATION, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST WORDS I WROTE DOWN TO MYSELF WERE COMPETITIVE GRANT PROGRAM. I'M GLAD THAT THE COMMITTEE STRUGGLES. I WANT THEM TO STRUGGLE. THAT IS A GOOD THING FOR THEM TO DECIDE THIS. WE THINK THIS BRINGS MORE VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY THAN THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. UM, THE, THE 2008 MODEL HERE, HONESTLY, I WOULD BE VERY STRONGLY OPPOSED TO, I, I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE US HAVE A MODEL THAT IF YOU CAN CHECK BOXES, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO MONEY. MM-HMM. , I, I REALLY DO NOT LIKE THAT. I LIKE THE COMPETITIVE GRANT NATURE OF WHAT WE HAVE AS A MODEL TODAY. HONESTLY, I'M, I WOULD JUST ASSUME NOT TRY TO SAY, OH, THIS MUCH SHOULD GO TO ARTS VERSUS THE OTHERS. I WOULD RATHER JUST FUND AT A LEVEL THAT, AGAIN, LET THE COMMITTEE WORK IT OUT THEMSELVES. SO IF THERE WAS 375 AND REQUEST THIS YEAR, I'D BUMP UP OUR FUNDING TO THREE 50. RIGHT? I DON'T WANNA FUND IT TO A POINT WHERE WE LOSE QUALITY OVER HOW THE MONEY IS GRANTED. BUT I'D LIKE TO THINK, YOU KNOW, VICE MAYOR, IF WE INCREASED OUR BUDGET TO THREE 50, THEN I THINK IT PROBABLY SOLVES THE ARTS PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE ADDRESSED. I JUST DON'T FEEL A NEED TO CREATE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE, SEPARATE POTS OF MONEY, ET CETERA. LET THE GRANT COMMITTEE WORK THAT OUT. IT'S A COMPETITIVE PROCESS. THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH IT. JUST GIVE 'EM MORE MONEY TO, TO, TO GRANT. THANK YOU. COMMENT. YEAH. WELL, I JUST WANNA SEE, I, MELISSA, YOU, YOU HAVEN'T REALLY SAID ANYTHING, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE VICE MAYOR TO ADDRESS, UH OH UH, BRIAN IF SHE CHOOSES. SURE. UH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF COUNSEL WAS GOING TO BE READY TO JUMP FROM 200,000 TO $350,000 IN ONE YEAR. UH, THE, THE, UH, I THINK THAT THE MAYOR SAID IT, AND I DIDN'T REALLY SAY IT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ATTEND THESE EVENTS ARE THE PEOPLE WE'RE TARGETING. MM-HMM. AS OUR, OUR IDEAL TOURISTS. RIGHT. STAY MULTIPLE DAYS IN THE COMMUNITY, HAVE A LOVE FOR THE ARTS. WE WANNA PROMOTE OURSELVES AS AN ARTS COMMUNITY. AND BY OVER, WHEN I FIRST CAME TO SEDONA, I'D NEVER EVEN HEARD OF SEDONA. IT WAS IN 1993 SLASH FOUR. IT WAS RIGHT OVER THE HOLIDAYS THAT YEAR. AND THAT WE WERE TRAVELING WITH SOME FRIENDS WHO SAID, OH, YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. IT'S AN ARTS COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK WE ARE AN ARTS COMMUNITY ANYMORE THE WAY WE USED TO BE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO BACK TO, TO BEING THAT COMMUNITY. UH, AND I, AND I, IT'S NOT ONLY MY PERSPECTIVE OF THE ARTS FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME FEEL THAT WAY AS WELL. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DESIGNATION FOR THE ARTS. UH, AND IT STRUCK ME THAT IN 2008 THAT PEOPLE GOT $120,000. AND THIS YEAR THEY GOT 86,000 WHERE WE'RE IN MUCH BETTER FINANCIAL SHAPE AND THAN WE WERE IN 2008. IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION, AND YET WE STILL GAVE $120,000 TO THE ARTS. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE REPLACE OUR APPLICATION WITH THIS. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT, WHAT IT WAS BACK THEN. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE POD INCREASE, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE ARTS ALLOCATED A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THAT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT SLOWLY. 'CAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT GRANT, WHO KNOWS WHAT ORGANIZATIONS WILL, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE ADDED TO. AND AGAIN, AS JESSICA POINTED OUT, AND STEPHANIE TOLD ME THEY REALLY, REALLY STRUGGLE. AND YOU, I WOULD STRUGGLE AND I'M AN ARTS FAN, I WOULD STRUGGLE OVER BASIC NECESSITIES IF IT'S COMING OUT OF THE SAME POT OF MONEY. SO THAT'S MY THINKING ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A PERCENTAGE OUT OF THAT BIGGER POT. RIGHT. I JUST THINK LET'S MAKE THAT POT BIG ENOUGH THAT IT SURELY IS GOING TO MEET THE NEEDS WHEN THE DAY IS DONE. SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S 350 AND YOU SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, ARTS AND NON-ARTS WILL EACH GET AT LEAST 35% OUT OF THAT POT. AND THEN THERE'S STILL ROOM TO PLAY DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON [02:20:01] WITH THE GRANT REQUEST. I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM BY BUMPING UP THE, THE PROGRAM INVESTMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND I DON'T SEE GOING FROM TWO 50 TO THREE 50 AS A BIG NUMBER WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FINANCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. AND WHAT SHERRY SHOWED TO US YESTERDAY. I MEAN, AGAIN, INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY, BOTH FROM HAVING THE RIGHT PEOPLE HERE AND, AND IN SUPPORTING THE ARTS THAT IS SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY TOO. BECAUSE ARTISTS ARE OF THE COMMUNITY PLUS ALL THE HUMAN NEEDS. WHICH AGAIN, WE WANNA SUPPORT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. SO I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE WE AT 200,000 OR 250,000, CORRECT. 200,000. YEAH. NOT TWO 50. SO IT'S 150 BUMP. YEAH, 200 TO TO THREE 50. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. AND BY THE WAY, YOU SAID TWO 50 TO THREE 50 DID FOUR. OH, SORRY. I MEANT I KNEW IT WAS 200, BUT THERE WERE NINE GRANTS TO THE ARTS AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE 29 APPLICATIONS. AND SO THERE WERE NINE GRANTS TO THE ARTS AND 20 GRANTS TO THE OTHERS. AND I DID NOT CONSIDER PERELLA PLAYERS, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT IS ARTS, BUT IT'S ONLY IN THE SCHOOLS IN THE ARTS CATEGORY. I CONSIDERED THAT IN THE OTHER CATEGORY. JESSICA, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. I DID. KATHY, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BETWEEN EVENTS AND ARTS BECAUSE WIDE FESTIVALS AT EVENT, I DON'T CONSIDER THAT ART. THE MOUNTAIN BIKE IS, WAIT, I'M JUST SAYING. SO I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT IDEAS HERE, UM, BETWEEN EVENTS AND ARTS. SO I CAN YOU CLARIFY PLEASE? YES. THE WINE FESTIVAL WASN'T IN THIS. THEY DIDN'T REQUEST MONEY THIS PAST YEAR. THEY COULD, THEY COULD HAVE, BUT THEY DIDN'T. SO I JUST WENT THROUGH AND ANALYZED. BUT DIDN'T THE, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE DID, DIDN'T THEY? THE MOUNTAIN BIKE DID. AND YEAH, SO I GUESS, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF, WAS THE MOUNTAIN BIKING CLUB GOT 3000? NO, THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT'S DIFFERENT. SO, UM, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE, IN TERMS OF, OF CAT, OH, I'M SORRY. THE WINE FEST DID GET $2,000. I'M SORRY, IN TERMS OF, OF PHRASING THIS, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARTS AND NOT Y EVENTS, RIGHT? THAT'S A DIFFERENT, A WHOLE ART EVENTS, DIFFERENT CATEGORY. PARDON ME? ART EVENTS, ALL THE ARTS FOLKS AT ARE ASK FOR, I KNOW ASK FOR GRANTS FOR THEIR EVENTS. I UNDERSTAND. BUT THIS TALKED ABOUT EVENTS AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, OR WE, I WAS TALKING ABOUT EVENTS IN TERMS OF, OF MARKETING AND EVERYTHING AS BEING A TOURISM RELATED THING. MM-HMM. . SO I'M, SO THE CLARIFICATION IS IT'S JUST THE ARTS WHICH YOU COULD ENUMERATE ON YOUR HAND BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN, OKAY. SO IT'S THE FILM FESTIVAL, THE UM, UH, ART BARN. THE ART, THE ART CENTER, UH, THE CHAMBER MUSIC, THE SYMPHONY, PIANO AND BALLET. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO NOTE, SHOULD WE, I GUESS WE SHOULD LIST SOME, BUT WHAT IF A NEW ORGANIZATION COMES? NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND. AND I'M TALKING ONLY ABOUT WHAT NOW EXISTS. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CATEGORIZATION. OKAY. OKAY. UH, QUESTIONS JUST TO FOLLOW ON THAT LINE OF THINKING, WHICH I, UH, ENJOYED AND VERY SYMPATHETIC TO. UH, BUT TO PURSUE THAT. SO I THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB OF SAYING WHAT'S ARTS? MM-HMM. , I'M STILL CONFUSED ABOUT WHERE THE WINE FESTIVAL, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL MIGHT FIT IN. WHETHER IF THEY ORGANIZATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THAT APPLY. I, UH, VERY MUCH LIKE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT COMPETITIVE GRANTS. I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT SOCIAL SERVICES COMPETING FOR EVENT MONEY. AND SO, BUT I HAVE QUESTION ABOUT IS ARTS WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I GET WHAT THAT LIST IS. I DON'T THINK THE WINE FESTIVAL AND THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL FIT IN THAT DEFINITION OF ARTS, BUT MAYBE IT DOES. AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S CULINARY ART. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DECIDE. UH, I DON'T SEE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL ON THIS LIST FOR, FOR THIS PAST YEAR UNLESS THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME. I THOUGHT THEY APPLIED IN, HAD WERE NOT GRANTED. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT THAT'S IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD SOMEWHERE. I DON'T, PEOPLE WHO APPLIED AND GOT NO FUNDING ARE ON THIS LIST. OKAY. AND I DON'T SEE THEM ON THIS LIST. SO WE WANT TO TREAT ALL EVENTS THE SAME AS ART EVENTS. WE CAN KATHY, GO AHEAD. AND I THINK WE'VE MOVED INTO COMMENTS COMBINED WITH QUESTIONS. YES. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. WE DID. WE THANK, WE ALWAYS DO, BUT THAT'S OKAY. WELL, I TRY, I TRY TO KEEP US FROM THAT. BUT, UM, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT COUNCILLOR FO IS ONTO SOMETHING HERE THAT YET THE PARTIALLY SOLVING THE PROBLEM IS INCREASING THE POT. I AGREE WITH THAT. I ALSO HAVE HEARD AND [02:25:02] WAS FOUND IT COMPELLING. WHAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON SAID THAT WHEN YOU INCREASE THE POT, YOU WILL INCREASE THE APPLICATIONS JUST BY NATURE. IF I KNOW THAT 30,000 IS AVAILABLE OR X AMOUNT IS AVAILABLE, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO APPLY FOR. SO I THINK A, A JUMP FROM 200 TO THREE 50 IS BIG IN ONE YEAR, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE CHANGING STRUCTURE. SO I'D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAUTIOUS AND MAYBE JUST BUMP IT DOWN SLIGHTLY TO 300,000. I ALSO STILL, I'M USING THE WORD RATIO DIS DISTRIBUTION ALLOTMENT, WHATEVER WORDS PEOPLE WANNA USE. AND I THINK THEY'RE SOMEWHAT, THERE'S SYNONYMS AT THE MOMENT. UM, I WOULD, I LIKED THE IDEA AS WELL THAT OF WHAT IF 40% WENT TO ARTS OR EVENTS RELATED AND 40% WENT TO HUMAN SERVICES WITH 20% TO BE ALLOCATED. WHERE THE GREATEST NEED WAS TO ACTUALLY, I LIKE THE IDEA OF GIVING DISCRETION TO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND POWER TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THIS. SO THERE IS THAT VETTING THAT'S DONE AND, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY TO SAY THIS IS WHAT'S VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT. SO I I I THINK THAT WE ARE, TO KAREN'S POINT BEFORE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING BIGGER THAN THE SOLUTION, I THINK FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING NEEDS TO BE. AND THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, IS THAT WE JUST INCREASE THE POT DIRECT AN ALLOCATION AND THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. AS LONG AS THAT'S, THAT STAFF CAN DIRECT THE COMMITTEE APPROPRIATELY. AND STAFF DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ACCOUNTING IN THAT WAY. OKAY. UM, I QUESTION FOR, UH, YOU ALL HERE IS BRIAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT HAVING PERCENTAGES, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PERCENTAGE FOR EACH, IF WE WENT TO THAT MODEL. AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I'M REAL CONCERNED THE HUMAN ISSUE, HUMAN SERVICES WOULD BE GROWING AND AGAIN, BE KNOCKING OUT THE ARTS OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND, OR IF WE DON'T HAVE SEPARATE POTS. BUT IF YOU HAVE THE PERCENTAGES, I'D BE FINE WITH THAT. AS LONG AS, AND YOU, YOU, THE WAY YOU SAID IT, I THINK IT WAS 30 AND 30. SO THAT WOULD GIVE AN OVERLAP. WHAT, WHAT THAT OR WHAT? THAT'S 40 40. 2040. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. WHATEVER ELSE. I DON'T WANT TO DIE ON A HILL OVER WHAT THE PERCENTAGES ARE. NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING. EIGHT PERCENTAGE. YEAH. AS LONG I DON'T WANNA SEE HUMAN SERVICES GET, YOU KNOW, OVERSHADOWED AGAIN. UH, AND YOU COUNCILOR ILLA, YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THE POT, BUT TO THE 150,000 THAT COUNCILOR F'S PROPOSAL. NO, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRETTY BIG JUMP. SO I ACTUALLY, I MEAN, AND PROPOSAL IT GOES THAT WAY. THAT'S FINE. MY PROPOSAL WAS TO INCREASE IT FROM 200,000 TO 300,000 AND THAT WE GIVE A A, WE DIRECT AN ALLOCATION OF 40% FOR ARTS AND EVENTS, 40% FOR HUMAN SERVICES AND 20% AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMITTEE. I LIKE THAT. I LIKE I COULD SUPPORT, I CAN SUPPORT THAT. YEAH. COUNCILOR DUNN, HOW ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT THAT? SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OH, SURE. OF THE CITY MANAGER PLEASE. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OR PURPOSE OF THE SMALL GRANTS? WELL, AS VICE MAYOR INDICATED, IT HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME. SO THIS 2008, 2009, THIS WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT IT DID SEEM LIKE THERE WAS A FOCUS ON SORT OF LARGER, UM, FUNDING FOR LARGER ARTS INITIATIVES AND ORGANIZATIONS. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO AN ARTS SMALL GRANTS OVER TIME THAT MORPHED INTO JUST SORT OF A GENERAL SMALL GRANTS THAT WAS SORT OF ANY PROGRAM, PROJECT OR INITIATIVE THAT SERVED THE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDED COMMUNITY BENEFIT COMMUNITY. GOOD. SO, AND THAT'S, WE'VE SEEN SORT OF THE TRANSITION BETWEEN MORE OF AN ARTS FOCUS TO MORE GENERAL NON-PROFIT. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BROAD AT THIS POINT. AND THEN THE COMMITTEE DECIDES WHAT'S, WHAT'S GIVING MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK, WHAT'S MORE NEEDED AND WHAT'S PROVIDING A GREATER COMMUNITY BENEFIT. OKAY. SO I THINK, I THINK FOR ME THE KEY WORDS ARE PHRASE IS COMMUNITY BENEFIT. UM, AND THIS DOES GET CONFUSING WHEN YOU START TO SAY THEY APPLY EVERY YEAR, THEY GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT EVERY YEAR. HOW IS THAT NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE RECYCLING CENTER? HOW IS THAT NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE LIBRARY? HOW IS THAT NOT DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE A SERVICE CONTRACT WITH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL OF THOSE AS WELL PROVIDE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. . AND THEY [02:30:01] PROVIDE BENEFIT EVERY YEAR TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, AS OPPOSED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAN'S NEED TO OUTREACH, WHICH ASKS FOR A SMALL GRANT IN ORDER TO DO BACKPACKS FOR, UM, HOMELESS CHILDREN. MM-HMM. . SO THIS IS, I THINK, A REALLY MUDDY AREA. AND IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON, I THINK OUR DECISION AROUND THE POLICIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE REQUESTS, UM, AND THE DIRECTION THEREFORE THAT WE WANNA RE WE WANT TO, TO DO SO. I'M NOT SURE THAT I COULD EASILY SAY WHAT EVENTS SHOULD BELONG WHERE. I THINK THAT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THINGS LIKE, UM, WINE FEST OR UM, OCTOBER FEST OR EVEN PIER. 'CAUSE WE'RE FUNDING, WE ARE, THERE IS AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE ABOUT WHY ARE THESE NOT SELF-SUFFICIENT. RIGHT. WHY DO THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, UH, CITY FUNDING IN ORDER FOR THEM TO, TO BRING MONEY IN? DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY? I I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE COULD HAVE AROUND WHAT, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY APPLY, UM, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S A SERVICE CONTRACT? SO I THINK ALL OF THAT REQUIRES MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT AROUND WHAT WE WANT TO DO. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS ABOUT GIVING DIRECTION TO THE COMMITTEE AROUND WHAT WOULD QUALIFY. AND THEN POTS, WHETHER YOU WANNA TAKE THEM FROM ONE PETER OR PAUL'S HANDS. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S THE SAME AS TAKING FROM ONE PLACE AND THEN SAYING WHAT PERCENTAGE YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOT. YOU STILL HAVE POTS. SO I'M OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF SEPARATING OUT POTS TO DIFFERENT KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS, BUT I THINK WE STILL NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT ARE THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, WHAT DIRECTION DO WE WANT TO GIVE TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND TO THIS COMMITTEE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ONE THING OR ANOTHER. AS FOR THE AMOUNT, UM, QUITE HONESTLY, $50,000 IS WHAT YOU'VE NOW SEPARATED IT BY BETWEEN 303 50. AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT IS ALL THAT RELEVANT AT THIS POINT. UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO, UH, RAISE THIS AMOUNT BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE REQUESTS COMING IN, EVEN ON THE HUMANITARIAN SIDE. RIGHT. AND EVEN ON THE PROGRAM SIDE FOR KIDS PROGRAMS, HOWEVER WE WANNA CLASSIFY THEM AS ARTS OR HUMANITY, I DON'T CARE. SO I THINK THERE ARE MORE REQUESTS COMING IN. I THINK WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING INCREASING THE AMOUNT. I'M HAPPY WITH US DOING IT BY PERCENTAGE ALLOTMENT. UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL PERHAPS A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LARGE EVENTS AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THESE ARE, OR INSTITUTIONS AND WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE SERVICE CONTRACTS OR WHETHER OR NOT SHOULD THEY BE FUNDED AT ALL. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M VICE MAYOR, PLEASE. I, I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. IN TERMS OF THE ULTIMATE, WE ARE NOW JUST THE APPLICATIONS OPEN UP IN A FEW WEEKS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE JUST CAUGHT FOR THIS YEAR. BUT I DO THINK AS PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR TOURISM, WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WHETHER THIS WHOLE, THE, ALL OF THESE EVENTS SHOULD BE, AGAIN, FUNDED THROUGH TOURISM DOLLARS. AND I KNOW SHERRY, IT'S ALL ONE POT, BUT TO ME IT ISN'T EXACTLY BECAUSE TOURISM IS GONNA HAVE A BUDGET AND SHOULD EVENTS BE INCLUDED IN THAT BUDGET IS PART OF A LARGER DISCUSSION. AND BY THE WAY, THE PLEN AIR FESTIVAL AND THE FILM FESTIVAL ARE NOT FUNDED UNDER THESE SMALL GRANTS. THEY THEY ARE, THEY HAVE TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT. THE, THE COMMITTEE REQUIRES NEW INITIATIVES. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO, SO THESE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS APPLY FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT EVERY TIME. AND WHETHER THAT SHOULD BE THE WAY IT IS, YOU KNOW, IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION, WHICH I THINK BELONGS IN A TOURISM BASED DISCUSSION. NOT TODAY. SO TODAY FOR ME IS, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS 'CAUSE I THINK THEY WERE REALLY GOOD. HOW MUCH IS, WHAT SHOULD THE POT BE AND WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE A ALLOCATION FOR ARTS AND EVENTS. AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY, I THINK THEY'RE VERY SAVVY, VERY, VERY SAVVY. SO WE CAN GIVE THEM THAT DIRECTION. UH, FOR ME, I AGREE THAT 50,001 WAY OR THE OTHER, SMALL POTATOES TO US, BIG POTATOES TO THEM, HUGE. SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE INCREASED AMOUNT TO THREE 50 AS COUNCILOR FOLTZ [02:35:01] HAD ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED. GIVE ME THE CREDIT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO MAKE A DECISION. GO AHEAD. OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE IN COMMENTS. DID YOU NOT MAKE YOUR COMMENTS YET? I, I HAVE NEW COMMENTS. GO RIGHT AHEAD. UH, I COULD SUPPORT THREE 50 ON A AND, BUT I DON'T, I WOULD, IF WE HAVE AN ALLOCATION, I WOULD SUPPORT 40% FOR THE ARTS, BUT I WOULD NOT MAKE A DISTINCTION ANY FURTHER THAN THAT. I WOULD TOTALLY LEAVE IT. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT OUR ISSUE. THEY SHOULD REALLY MAKE THAT DECISION. THIS IS THE ALL ABOUT ARTS. AND SO I I IF 40% IS THE AMOUNT THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE, FOR THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, THERE IS GONNA BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION THOUGH ON TERMS OF THE ANGELO PLAYERS. THAT'S ART. BUT DOES IT FIT INTO YOUR ART ALLOCATION? I MEAN, SO IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ART, THE FOUR OR FIVE GROUPS THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE LARGER ONES, THAT HAS TO BE CLEAR WHEN WE DIRECT THE COMMITTEE AS WHAT TO DO. SO. BUT DOWN THE ROAD, DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. THIS ARTS THINGS FELL APART FOR VERY SPECIFIC REASONS AND WAS RECREATED IN ORDER TO AVOID THE REASON YOU DON'T LIKE, IN ORDER TO AVOID THE REASONS THAT THE ORIGINAL ONE FELL APART. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK WE DO NEED TO ESTABLISH A SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS PROGRAM IN A MORE DIRECT WAY. AND WE SHOULD SOME SOMETIME BE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT. I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS, IT'S A PRIORITY FOR NOW, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO, TO TALK ABOUT. 'CAUSE IF WE ARE, IF WE WANNA ESTABLISH ARTS AS A REAL PRIORITY AND AND THE DEFINITION OF OUR COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO DO THAT AND NOT MUSH IT UP WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT FOR THE TIME BEING THREE 50 IS OKAY WITH ME AND 40% IS OKAY WITH ME. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER. AND I THINK YOU HAD STEPPED OUT WHEN IT WAS, UH, MENTIONED EARLIER. DO YOU SEE THIS IN A LONG RANGE PLAN, THE ARTS? BECAUSE THE ONES THAT ARE TOURISM BASED, DO YOU SEE THAT GOING INTO THE TOURISM, UH, COMMITTEE OR GROUP IN THE LONG RANGE? DO YOU OR DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD STAY IN THIS PROCESS HERE? I WOULD, I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO WANT TO SET UP A SEPARATE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. MM-HMM. BECAUSE IT'S JUST NO, I GET IT. SORT OF UNNECESSARY. WELL, LEAVING IT, YOU KNOW, THE GROUP NOW AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE CROSSOVER IN, IN WHAT WE DO. I THINK IDENTIFYING IF, IF ONE OF THE INTENTIONS OF FUNDING ARTS OR ARTS EVENTS, AND I'M STILL UNCLEAR ON THAT PART. UM, IT IS RELATED TO DESTINATION MARKETING AND MANAGEMENT AND TOURISM. THAT MAKES SENSE. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WE'D WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE EVENTS ARE ON OFF SEASON OR YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WANT THEM AND DO CATER TO THE TYPE OF VISITOR. BUT WE COULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE EXISTING PROCESS AND STILL HAVE IT BE DIRECTED OR INFORMED BY TOURISM DECISIONS THAT WE, THAT YOU ALL MAKE FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE AND STILL NOT HAVE TO CREATE TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES. UM, SO, SO I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THAT. AND I COULD SEE AS WE ARE DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE NOW IT'S, WE'VE GOT A TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES COMBINED. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WANTING TO DO, HOW TO CAPTURE DAY TRIPPERS TO ACTUALLY STAY AND SPEND 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING TO OUR TRAFFIC. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA COME OUT OF SOME OF THE, THE DATA AND THE DECISIONS THAT THE NEW TOURISM BUREAU WILL BE MAKING. THIS COULD BE ONE OF THEM. PERFECT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT YOUR LONG RANGE PLANS, UH, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I TOO AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE BIGGER AMOUNT. THREE 50 WORKS FOR ME. UH, AND I, I, I HEARD COUNCILOR KINSELLA PUT ON THE TABLE OF 40, 40 20 MODEL, WHICH WOULD GIVE SOME EXTRA FLEXIBILITY TO THE COMMITTEE. AND I WASN'T SURE WHERE YOU WERE. YOU HAD SAID 40, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE REST OF IT. OKAY. I CAN EXPLAIN. I DON'T THINK WE, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ARTS. WE SHOULD SET THE PERCENTAGE FOR ARTS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW 40. WHY DID WE CHOOSE 40% FOR HUMAN RESOURCES? AND WHAT IS HUMAN RESOURCES? I BELIEVE THE, I MEAN, [02:40:01] I WOULD SUPPORT THE 40% BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. SAVE SOME MONEY FOR THE ARTS. I WOULD LEAVE, I DON'T WANNA MICROMANAGE THE COMMITTEE. I WOULD LEAVE THE REMAINDER, THE 60% TOTALLY UP TO THE COMMITTEE AS TO HOW THEY WOULD DISTRIBUTE THAT. I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SET A, AN A PORTION FOR, BECAUSE I WOULD SET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE REST OF IT FOR HUMAN RESOURCES . SO, I MEAN, I REALLY THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE A COMMITTEE FOR. I HAVE A QUESTION TO TO THAT, TO THE 40% BECAUSE, AND IT, I THINK, UH, VICE MAYOR CAN ANSWER IT WASN'T, I HAD THE IMPRESSION THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS LOOKING FOR MORE DIRECTION THOUGH ABOUT A SPLIT. IS, UM, DID I MISHEAR THAT OR, UH, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE LOOKING FOR MORE DIRECTION. THEY, THEY HAD ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING THAT THEY FELT OBLIGATED TO FUND THE ARTS BECAUSE THESE WERE INSTITUTIONS THAT ALWAYS GET FUNDED WHILE HAVING AN INCREASED NUMBER OF HUMAN SERVICES, SOCIAL SERVICES GRANTS THAT WERE FUNDAMENTAL TO LIFE. MM-HMM. . AND THAT, AND THOSE WERE SMALLER AND THEN THE ARTS WERE GETTING LESS MONEY 'CAUSE THOSE WERE INCREASING. SO HAVING A SEPARATE POT FOR THE ARTS WOULD MAKE THEIR LIVES EASIER. MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO EITHER WAY WOULD ADDRESS THAT, WHETHER IT'S 40, 40, 20 OR 40% VERSUS CORRECT. 60% UNALLOCATED. CORRECT. AND BY THE WAY, IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE, THE CITY FUNDED A STUDY, UH, OF THE ARTS COMMUNITIES AND ITS ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THE, IN SEDONA. AND THAT STUDY IS GONNA BE PRESENTED, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY ON FEBRUARY 1ST, WHICH IS NOT A COUNCIL DAY. THEY ORIGINALLY WANTED TO COME TO COUNCIL TO PRESENT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY CAN'T. SO COUNCIL'S GONNA BE INVITED TO, UH, ATTEND THAT AND WE'LL GET MORE EDUCATED ABOUT THE ARTS AND ITS ECONOMIC IMPACT. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE ARTS CENTER LED IT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT CONSULTANT THEY USED, BUT THE CITY FUNDED THE STUDY. AND SO THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY WILL BE FORTHCOMING SHORTLY. SO THAT WILL HELP INFORM US ALSO ABOUT TOURISM AND ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE LATER. BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH AN IMMINENT, UH, SMALL GRANTS COMMITTEE APPLICATION PROCESS ABOUT TO UNFOLD. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I BELIEVE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. I BELIEVE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ALSO ON THE 300,000, THREE 50 WAIT AGREEMENT. ON WHAT? WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. ON WHAT TALK, I'M GONNA FINISH THE AMOUNT, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, I, YOU SAID WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT AND ALSO IN AGREEMENT. BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE FIRST PART YOU WERE REFERRING TO ALL IN AGREEMENT AS FAR AS, UH, SEPARATING IT AS THE VICE MAYOR HAD SAID. YOU HAD BROUGHT UP SOME, SOME OPTIONS. UH, WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? CAN YOU CLEAR CLARIFY WITH THREE 50 OR 300? 350,000. THREE 50. OKAY. I AM ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. UH, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS A DIFFERENT TAKE OR DID NOT UNDERSTAND? KAREN, DO YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION? YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. NO. RIGHT. NO. NOT DONE YET. NO, I DON'T. SO WE TALKED ABOUT WE GIVING DIRECTION TO THE COMMITTEE FOR A 40, 40, 20 DISTRIBUTION. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT JUST SAYING WE WANT 40 FOR ARTS, RIGHT? 40 FOR ARTS. IS THAT A MINIMUM? 40 FOR ARTS? YES. OH, MINIMUM. YEAH. MINIMUM, YES. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHERE THE 20 WAS SUPPOSED TO EXPAND IF NECESSARY. BUT THE, THE COUNCIL WANTS 60 AND 40. SO, BUT IF I UNDERSTOOD COUNCILOR OL, HE WANTED THAT 20% IN CASE IT HAD TO GO BEYOND IT WAS KATHY. OH, KATHY. OH, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK SIMILAR. IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE 'CAUSE I'M SO TALL. YEAH, RIGHT. , BUT GLASSES. ISN'T THAT WHY YOU GLASSES, RIGHT? ? ISN'T THAT WHY YOU WANTED THE EXTRA 20%? YES. THAT IS WHY I WANTED THE EXTRA 20% AS OPPOSED TO 60% AND 40%. SO THEY COULD ALLOCATE WHERE GREATEST NEED WAS, WHETHER THEY THOUGHT IT WAS FOR SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS OR FOR HUMAN SERVICE ORGANIZATION. AND IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT, I THINK SOME OF US, WE ALL AGREE, WE WANNA GIVE MORE EMPOWERMENT TO THE COMMITTEE. THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE COMMITTEE JUST THAT KIND OF POWER TO MAKE A DECISION. MAYBE IT GOES BEYOND THE 40%, 40. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A AGREEING. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THERE IS, IS NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. SO [02:45:02] ARE WE ON 60 40 OR ARE WE ON, WE ON. WELL, CAN WE, CAN WE BREAK IT DOWN FURTHER? COULD WE FIRST AGREE, YES, WE ALL WANT TO INCREASE YES OR NO, AND THEN AGREE ON AN AMOUNT, YES OR NO? IT'S EASY. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ALLOCATION, YES OR NO. AND IF WE DID IT STAGE BY STAGE, INSTEAD OF BUNDLING IT ALL TOGETHER, IT MIGHT BE SMOOTHER AND QUICKER. PERFECT. OKAY. SO ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT TO EXPAND THE AMOUNT? YEP. YES. OKAY. HAVE THAT ONE. RIGHT. WELL, NOW, NOW THE AMOUNT, WHAT AMOUNT? THREE 50 RIGHT NOW TO THREE 50. WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THREE 50. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. YES. FINE. SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT FOR THREE 50. YEP. SO NOW THE PERCENTAGES THAT YOU WANT COUNSELOR CAN SELL IT. CAN YOU ACCEPT 40% AS A MINIMUM ALLOCATION FOR ARTS AND JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT? OR DO YOU THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THE 40, 40 20? I CAN GO EITHER WAY BECAUSE I THINK I, I TRUST THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL STILL END UP WITH 40% IN THE HUMAN NEEDS AREA. ALMOST SURELY. I, I CAN PROBABLY GO EITHER WAY. I LIKED THAT IT WAS GIVING MORE DISCRETION AND THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED THE SAME WAY BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. SO I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH 60 40. OKAY. I I'M NOT, IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? RIGHT? WE'RE WHAT? WE'RE NO IT'SS. NOT REALLY. IT'S NOT REALLY 60 40. IT'S JUST 40%. 40 FOR THE ARTS. MINIMUM ALLOCATION TO THE ARTS. ABSOLUTELY, YES. OKAY. I'M JUST, YES, MELISSA? YES, PETE. I'M NOT SEEING IT. I, I, I THINK SO. I WORRIED THAT THE, THE ARTS, UH, ALLOCATION, THE REQUESTS WOULD THEN ALSO GROW TO SOME HUGE NUMBER AND START TO PUT THAT SAME KIND OF PRESSURE ON THE SOCIAL SERVICES. I SAID BEFORE. THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MY, I I, I'M, I'M STUCK ON 40 40 20 BECAUSE THE 20 GIVES IT, AND I DON'T, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE HUMAN SERVICES GET SOMETHING. SO A 40% MINIMUM DOESN'T LEAVE MONEY. SO I, NO, I'M REVISING. I'M AT 40. 40 20 FIRMLY. I SEEM TO REMEMBER ME SAYING THAT TOO IN SUPPORT OF THAT FOR THE SAME REASON. MM-HMM. . SO NOW, UH, 40. 40 20 FOR THE, FOR THE REASON SO THAT THE ARTS WON'T O OVERSHADOW AND HURT. OKAY. VICE MAYOR? NO. OKAY. I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN FOUR THUMBS UP SO FAR. YES. SO FIVE. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE FIVE WE'RE UNANIMOUS. I JUST HAVE CLARIFY. I MEAN WE'LL STAY WITH THAT. OKAY. LEAVE IT. LEAVE IT. NO, I HAVE A QUESTION. WILL EVERYTHING FALL IN? WELL, I GUESS THAT IT, IF 40% ARE ALWAYS HUMAN SERVICES, IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOES THAT, IS THERE ONE MORE COMPONENT? NO. WHICH IS THE NEXT COMPONENT? THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. OKAY. THAT'S NOT IT FOR ME. . THAT'S NOT IT. THAT'S, I DO HAVE ONE MORE JUST CLARIFYING QUESTION. UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT ARTS EVENTS, WE TALKED ABOUT ARTS AND EVENTS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT JUST EVENTS IN, IN THIS CATEGORY. SO DO YOU WANT TO SAY IT IS 40% FOR THE ARTS? MM-HMM. AND EVENTS OR EVENTS? OR DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE WHAT FALLS INTO EACH BUCKET? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND YOU WILL, I HOPE , I'M SURE 40% FOR ARTS RELATED EVENTS THAT BRING IN TOURISM. AND IT'S THE HOST OF, UH, THE LIST THAT THE VICE MAYOR PRESENTED, WHICH ALL OF THOSE DID AS OPPOSED TO OTHER ARTS EVENTS LIKE IN THE SCHOOL, WHICH IS AN ART EVENT, BUT IT'S NOT RELATED TO TOURISM. SO THAT WOULD REVERT TO THE OTHER. AM I CORRECT IN THAT? I, I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. NO, IT WAS ORIGINALLY I WANTED, I I KNOW IT'S CHANGED SO MANY. YES. ORIGINALLY WHAT I WANTED WAS TOURISM DOLLARS TO GO TO EVENTS, BUT THAT IS NOT WHERE WE ENDED UP. SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T WANT IT, I WANT IT FOR THE ARTS. OKAY. AND THIS COMMITTEE CAN DECIDE WHAT THAT MEANS. OKAY. I LIKE THAT. I'M FINE. OKAY. I LOST IT SOMEWHERE WHERE THE TOURISM DOLLARS CAN'T BE USED FOR THIS. HOW DID, WHERE DID THAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE JUST ALL IN GENERAL FUNDS, SO WE'RE NOT SEPARATING IT OUT. OKAY. BUT I DO THINK LONG TERM, RIGHT, THAT WE SHOULD, AS PART OF OUR TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN, DECIDE ABOUT FUNDING FOR TOURISM RELATED EVENTS. OKAY. LIKE OTHER COMMUNITIES DO. LIKE WE USED TO, LIKE WE USED TO. EXACTLY. KAREN, NOW DO YOU HAVE HOPEFULLY YES, THANK YOU, . OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU . RIGHT. AND THAT WAS THE EASY ONE. I, I'M, I'M JUST, [02:50:01] IF STEPHANIE'S WATCHING, I'M SURE SHE'S JUMPING FOR JOY THAT SHE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO GET MORE EMPOWERMENT AND MORE, MORE LEEWAY AND BE ABLE TO HELP MORE PEOPLE. SO THAT'S A GREAT GROUP. . OKAY. FIVE TWO. UH, INCLUDE MORE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS IN CAPITAL PROJECTS. WHOSE REQUEST WAS THAT? JESSICA? I'M SORRY SCOTT. IT WAS MINE. . NO, IT'S FINE. UM, IT'S INTERESTING. GO AHEAD. I WAS EXCITED BY WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE BREWER ROAD PROPERTY. UM, COINCIDENTALLY, I ALSO, I THINK I SHARED, I TOOK A TRIP AND IN ONE OF THE CITIES I SAW A PARK. AND THAT WAS JUST A WOW FACTOR IN THAT, HOW IT WAS THE URBAN DESIGN OF, OF THE PARK. AND I ALSO MET AND TALKED WITH, UM, AN URBAN DESIGNER HERE IN THE, IN THE CITY AND, AND PERSUADED THAT I THINK THAT OUR CAPITAL PROJECT PEOPLE ARE AMAZING. I THINK THEY DO INCREDIBLE JOB IN DESIGNING. BUT I, I THINK, I THINK OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS CAN BE IMPROVED AND CAN BE ENHANCED AND BECOME A MUCH MORE AUTHENTIC AND INTEGRAL PART OF THE LANDSCAPE OF SEDONA, BOTH THE BUILT LANDSCAPE AND THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE. IF A FOCUS WAS, IF WE MANAGED TO GET A FOCUS MORE ON URBAN DESIGN AS PART OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, I'M THINKING PARTICULARLY ABOUT, I KNOW I TALKED TO KAREN AND TO ANDY ABOUT THAT, THE UNDERPASS, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, HOW TO GET PEOPLE TO USE IT. KAREN IS TALKING ABOUT REALLY PUSHING IT ON TERMS OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND AS PART OF OUR TOURISM, MAKING IT SOMETHING A MUST SEE IN SEDONA. BUT I ALSO THINK RATHER THAN JUST HAVING SIGNS THAT SAY UNDERPASS, THAT THERE COULD BE AT THE ENTRANCES, SOME ATTRACTIVENESS AND SOME ALLURING KIND OF DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT COULD KIND OF BRING PEOPLE NATURALLY INTO THAT. AND I WAS ALSO THINKING OF THE GARAGE WITH PERHAPS SOME URBAN DESIGN WORK AROUND THAT, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT'S BEEN DONE, I THINK THAT WE CAN DO BETTER. AND I REALLY WANT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO BRING ENHANCED URBAN DESIGN ALTERNATIVES EARLY INTO THE PROCESS OF CAPITAL PROJECTS TO LINK THEM BETTER AND TO, AND TO CREATE A MORE UNIFIED AND KIND OF AUTHENTIC FEEL TO HOW, HOW DEVELOPMENT OCCURS HERE IN SEDONA. SO THAT'S THE IMPETUS FOR, AND WHAT I WANT, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT I THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ANDY. I THINK YOU'LL, YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME, KAREN, MAYBE . UH, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE UNDERPASS WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED WITH ALL THOSE THINGS IN IN MIND, THE PARKING GARAGE. I, I DON'T, WE DIDN'T SEE A FINAL DRAFT OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT I WOULD TEND TO THINK THAT YOU WOULD ALREADY HAVE THAT IN YOUR PLAN. BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, I, AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON, THE PARK IS JUST COMING ALONG FAR, FAR EXCEEDING MY EXPECTATION EXACTLY WHAT SHE'S LOOKING FOR. BUT I THINK THAT YOU ALREADY DO THAT ANYWAY. SO CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO THAT, UH, EITHER ONE OF YOU OR BOTH? I, I GUESS I HAVE A, I HAVE A COUPLE THOUGHTS ON THAT, THAT I SHARED IN, IN THE PACKET MATERIALS, BUT I THINK THE PARK IS JUST A EXEMPLARY, UM, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE BRING PARKS AND ARTS AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLANNER SENSE OF SPACE OUTLAY ALONG ON THE PLANNING AND EXECUTION JOURNEY OF OUR ENGINEERING PROJECT MANAGERS. TWO THINGS THAT I THINK WE CAN DO MOVING FORWARD STRATEGICALLY ON CERTAIN PROJECTS. THE, THE PROJECTS THAT LEND THEMSELVES TO THIS KIND OF, THESE KINDS OF ENHANCEMENTS IS ONE, WE CAN INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO BRING IN ARCHITECTS AND DESIGN FOLKS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT AS PART OF THE PROJECT. SOMETIMES THAT'LL [02:55:01] BE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, IT COULD BE OTHERS, UM, THAT BRING THAT ADDITIONAL ELEMENT. THE REALLY THING THAT, THAT WHERE I THINK KIND OF THE MA THE MAGIC HAPPENS IN THOSE ELEVATED PROJECTS IS WHEN WE CAN BRING ARTS, SUSTAINABILITY, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, PROJECT ENGINEERING, PUBLIC WORKS ALL TOGETHER AND FOR THE PARK. YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THAT A STEP FARTHER. THERE WAS ALREADY A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT. BUT WE, WE BROUGHT IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOLKS AND ARTISTS AND OTHERS THROUGH A WORK GROUP PROCESS THAT'S ALL EXTREMELY RESOURCE INTENSIVE. MM-HMM. . SO I WISH WE COULD DO THAT ON EVERY SINGLE PROJECT. BUT THE REALITY IS WE HAVE SO MANY PROJECTS THAT WE WILL EITHER HAVE TO BE SELECTIVE ABOUT WHICH ONES WE CAN REALLY DO THAT COMPREHENSIVE TYPE OF, OF PROCESS, OR WE DO LESS PROJECTS. THAT'S THE TRADE OFF, RIGHT? UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS LIKE THAT MAYBE ARE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD THAN OTHERS AND OTHERS LEND THEMSELVES BETTER TO THOSE KINDS OF ENHANCEMENTS. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE SORT OF MY SUGGESTION IS WE DO BUILD THAT IN TO THE MAJORITY OF THE CIP PROJECTS THAT WE'RE BRINGING OUTSIDE EXPERTISE TO HELP ENSURE THAT. BUT IT REALLY IS GONNA TAKE THAT INPUT OF, OF ALL THE FOLKS ON OUR TEAM, ON ALL OUR TEAMS AND HOW DO WE DO THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER WITH AS MANY PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON THAT, THAT'S WHAT I HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED OUT YET. OKAY. UH, YOU WANNA START ON THIS SIDE? YOU GUYS WANT, CAN YOU WANT ME TO START ON THIS SIDE FOR YOU? ANSWER THE QUESTION. OKAY. WELL JUST, JESSICA, YOU GONNA HAVE A QUESTION OR YOU JUST WANNA NO, I, I, I RESPONSE I HAVE A RESPONSE. A RESPONSE. OKAY. BUT THAT'S OKAY. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE I, I SPEAK WITH AGAIN. RIGHT. ALRIGHT, SO, PETE, GO AHEAD. UH, I APPRECIATE THIS ITEM BEING ON THE AGENDA AND THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH MORE ROBUST URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS. AND KAREN, I THOUGHT YOU HAD A BEAUTIFUL RESPONSE ABOUT ITS DIRECTION TO STAFF REALLY TO YEAH. REALLY THINK ABOUT IT AND, AND WE'LL HAVE TO GROW INTO IT. AND WE DESIGNATE SOME PROJECTS INITIALLY, AND MAYBE OVER TIME WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE AND WE'LL DEVELOP OUR OWN EXPERTISE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT IT'S, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH KIND OF DIRECTION OF STAFF DIRECTION THAT YOU'VE TAKEN THIS SERIOUSLY AND WE'LL START SEEING MORE OF THIS RESPONSE IN FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS. BUT THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU, KATHY. SO I, I, I RECOGNIZE THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN, UM, THAT THIS WOULD PLACE IN TERMS OF TIMING, UM, ORGANIZATION, UH, SOLICITATION OF, OF APPROPRIATE INPUT. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S HARD, YOU KNOW, FOR STAFF. BUT THIS IS KAREN. YOU AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS FOR FOUR YEAR, WELL, FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW, ABOUT, UM, SILOS AND THAT WE TEND TO DO PROJECTS AND, UH, DEPARTMENT INITIATIVES IN SILOS. AND WE'VE GOTTEN SO MUCH BETTER, SO, SO MUCH BETTER ABOUT BRINGING THESE THINGS TOGETHER. AND I SEE THIS AS A, THIS, AS A NATURAL EXTENSION OF THAT. AND I THINK THAT IT IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, THAT GOES ON A PRIORITY LIST, BUT I THINK IT'S A DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN. AND, AND I I, AND EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT ADD TIME, UH, STAFF TIME, AND THEREFORE EXPENSE IN TERMS OF EXTRA HOURS THAT ARE ADDED ON IN BRINGING IN THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE, I THINK IT'S WORTH IT. 'CAUSE THIS IS FOR THE LONG-TERM HEALTH AESTHETIC PLANNING OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE SEVERAL BIG PROJECTS, AND MAYBE SOME OF THEM FIT INTO THIS, BUT IT'S STILL TIME TO DO THIS KIND OF INPUT. AND SOME OF THEM, MAYBE THERE ISN'T. BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT THESE PROJECTS HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY, UH, LIKE THE UNDERPASS, LIKE THE GARAGE, LIKE THE HISTORY WALK THAT'S GOING ON, WHICH HAD COMMUNITY INPUT, WHICH IS WHY IT'S BECOMING SUCH A GOOD LITTLE HISTORY WALK, I, I WANT US TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE AT INCORPORATING THIS, THIS TYPE OF INTEGRATION AND, AND, [03:00:01] UH, INTERSECTION OF, OF OUR VISIONS. UM, SO I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IT BE STATED AND DIRECTED AND ADOPTED AS POLICY TO TRY AND DO THIS. NOW I UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN AN EXISTING PARK THAT MAY HAVE A SMALLER GROUP, I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE THE INPUT OF USERS, YOU KNOW, STAKEHOLDERS THERE. BUT IS THAT SUCH A BIG INITIATIVE AS WHAT WE WOULD DO MAYBE FOR THE HISTORY WALK OR THE, YOU KNOW, GARAGE OR SOMETHING. BUT IT HAS TO START TO BE INGRAINED IN OUR THINKING AND IN OUR HABITS. AND IF WE DON'T ADOPT IT AND DIRECT IT THAT WAY, I, I, I'M JUST, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE UNDER, YOU KNOW, HAVING SUCH A BIG CHANGE AT THE TOP. THIS IS NOW IN YOUR, YOUR, YOUR INSTILLED DNA FROM US, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T GET LOST. 'CAUSE THIS, THIS IS VITAL TO ME FOR THE LONG TERM GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY. AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT. YOU HAVE, IT'S BEEN GREAT. NO ONE GAVE DIRECTION CORRECT. TO CREATE MAGIC AT RANGER STATION PARK. IT'S MAGIC. BUT WE DID IT. AND THAT WAS A TESTAMENT TO THIS LEVEL OF COOPERATION AND COHESION THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CREATE. WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE, WE'VE ADDED SUSTAINABILITY IN RECENT YEARS, RIGHT? THAT WASN'T PART OF THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY ORGANIZATIONALLY, THE DNA, UM, UNTIL IT IS, AND HOUSING, YOU KNOW, TOURISM, ALL OF THAT. LIKE, WE HAVE SO MANY NEW ELEMENTS AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE THE COHESION WITH ALL OF OUR GROUPS. AND, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB OF THAT. RANGER STATION PARK'S, THE EXAMPLE, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE BAR IS NOW SET. AND, AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY TRY TO DO THIS WITH A COMBINATION OF THAT INTERNAL APPROACH APPROACH TO, TO PROJECTS AS WELL AS SOME OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE, UM, ON KIND OF SOME OF THE MECHANICS WHERE WE CAN GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO A DESIGNER OR ARCHITECT WORKING ON THE PROJECT, UM, AND INCORPORATE THOSE ELEMENTS. AND, AND UNDER THIS, I HAD WRITTEN NOTES TO MYSELF IN, YOU KNOW, THE PACKET TO MAKE SURE TO BRING UP IN THE APPROPRIATE PART. AND ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I THINK IT'S HERE IS, IS OUR LACK OF COORDINATED STREET FURNITURE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND IN TERMS OF THAT SOMETIMES, UM, AND, AND THE, THE, I'M JUST GONNA USE AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS ISN'T SINGLING ANYTHING OUT AT ALL, BUT LIKE, SHOULD, WE SHOULD SHARED USE PATHS, HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE BENCHES PUT IN OR SOMETHING. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITY INPUT WOULD SAY, YOU DON'T NEED IT 'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A PARK, OR YOU DON'T NEED WHATEVER SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ARE CANOPIES AND TREES, ALL OF THAT TO GET INCORPORATED. I SEE THAT AS, AS COORDINATION AND FALLING UNDER THIS AS WELL IN TERMS OF BEAUTIFICATION AND LONG-TERM PLANNING. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON, ON THE TABLE THAT I THINK THIS EXTENDS TO EVERYTHING. MM-HMM. . OKAY. ANDY. SO, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE THOUGHT ABOUT THE SHARED USE PATHS, IT MAKES ME THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY THE RANGER STATION PARK, A LOT OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN NOW WAS NOT PRE-PLANNED. MM-HMM. . IT'S STUFF THAT WE'VE KIND OF INCORPORATED AND BROUGHT INTO THE PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT, FOR INSTANCE, HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO AARD YOUTH'S PATH? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS JUST BUILD THE FACILITY. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT EVENTUALLY THERE WOULD BE BENCHES, THERE WOULD BE SHADE STRUCTURES, THERE WOULD BE THESE THINGS THROUGHOUT THE, THE NETWORK IN STRATEGIC LOCATIONS. BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS TRY TO WORK THOSE THINGS OUT BEFORE WE COULD EVEN BUILD UP ONE LINEAR FOOT OF SHARED USE PATH. SO, SO REALLY WHAT GOES THROUGH MY MIND WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS IS FOR A LONG TIME I WAS ASKED THE QUESTION, HOW CAN WE DO MORE? HOW CAN WE DO IT FASTER? CAN WE BRING IN PROJECT MORE PROJECT MANAGERS? AND, AND MY ANSWER TO THAT WAS WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE MAXED OUT. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORKFLOW PROCESS, A LOT OF TIMES THE RESTRICTION IS ACTUALLY COUNSELED. MM-HMM. , IT'S HOW MANY PROJECTS CAN WE HANDLE WHERE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND TALK THEM INTO ALLOWING US TO BUILD A PROJECT. THERE'S [03:05:01] ONLY SO MUCH THAT WE AT EACH LEVEL CAN HANDLE. AND YOU KNOW, IF I LOOK AT OUR PUBLIC WORKS GROUP TODAY AND SAY, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO ADD MORE PROJECT MANAGERS? I WOULD SAY NO, BECAUSE OUR, OUR, OUR DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MAXED OUT AND, AND WE'RE FROM THE CITY MANAGER LEVEL UP, WE'RE MAXED OUT. SO ADDING MORE PROJECT MANAGERS IS NOT GONNA ALLOW US TO HANDLE THESE PRO THESE PROJECTS THAT WE EXPECT TO HAVE SUCH A HIGH LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC ON. MM-HMM. . AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT , YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN SANDBORN SEGMENT OF SHARED USE PATH, FOR INSTANCE. WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THAT BENCH? WOULD YOU PUT IT IN FRONT OF, UH, OR I, I I SHOULD SAY IN, UM, BEHIND JILL'S HOUSE? OR WOULD YOU PUT IT IN FRONT OF TOM'S HOUSE? MM-HMM. . WELL, WHILE THEY MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, A BENCH WOULD BE GREAT ON THAT PATH, JUST DON'T PUT IT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. MM-HMM. , ALL THESE THINGS TAKE SO MUCH TIME TO, TO ACCOUNT FOR, AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE TRYING TO DELIVER. SO I, I WOULDN'T ARGUE THAT DOING MORE OF THIS IS, IS A BAD IDEA. I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BE, UH, STRATEGIC ABOUT HOW WE DO IT. UM, YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, THE GARAGE FOR, FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS THAT HAS HAPPENED ALREADY. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, IT'S AND ENHANCED DESIGN. YES. YES. THIS IS NOT GONNA BE YOUR RUN OF THE MILL PARKING STRUCTURE AESTHETICALLY YEAH, OF COURSE. I MEAN, YOU, YOU COMPARE THIS TO A, A, A PARKING GARAGE IN PHOENIX AND THEIR APPLES AND ORANGES, YOU KNOW, AND YET WE, WE END UP TALKING ABOUT THE COST OF THEM IN MM-HMM. IN RELATION TO EACH OTHER. AND THEY'RE, AGAIN, THEY'RE APPLES AND ORANGES. YOU KNOW, WE, WE PUT SO MUCH INTO THE AESTHETIC. ONE, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, IS WE CAN PUT A LINE ITEM WITHIN, WITHIN A PROJECT, FOR INSTANCE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S MONEY ASSOCIATED AND THEREFORE EFFORT. THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO TRACK IT. YOU MEAN DESIGN MONEY? IT COULD BE ALL OF THE ABOVE. I MEAN, IT COULD BE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, WE, WE PUT THE ARTS, UM, ITEM INTO THE PROJECTS AND SOMETIMES THAT GENERATES FUNDING THAT IS USED ON A PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. AND SOMETIMES IT'S INCORPORATED AS WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT. BUT WHAT I WOULD BE REALLY HESITANT TO DO IS EXPECT FOR ALL THOSE LITTLE THINGS TO BE FIGURED OUT BEFORE WE CAN EVEN DO A PROJECT. MM-HMM. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS WE'RE GONNA GET EVEN LESS DONE TO A BIG DEGREE. ALBEIT, I DO THINK THAT THAT IS DEPENDENT ON THE PROJECT. YEAH. SO THERE ARE PROJECTS LIKE A PARK WHEN IT'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NEIGHBORS AND THERE'S, IT'S THE CITY CONTROLS THE LAND. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR RIGHTS OF WAY. WE'RE NOT BUILDING THINGS THROUGH AN, UH, AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT DE IT DOES DEPEND ON THE PROJECT. BUT, BUT AS I SAID, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK TO ECHO ANDY'S COMMENTS, IT DOES REQUIRE US TO MOVE MORE SLOWLY THE MORE ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU INCORPORATE INTO ANY PROJECT. BUT NOT TO SAY THAT THAT ISN'T WORTH IT, IT'S JUST THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNCIL WOULD JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE SLOWER. YEAH. AND MAYBE WE ARE NOT DOING AS MANY SIMULTANEOUSLY. RIGHT. IT'S LIKE QUALITY OR QUANTITY. WHICH, WHICH DO YOU WANT? BOTH? . YEAH. , YEAH. YES. THANK YOU ANDY, YOU COVERED THAT. YEAH, I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I DO. I, I ACTUALLY SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE A LOT. OH, GOOD. UH, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S, THAT SOME OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS, NOT FOR EVERY PROJECT, THESE LARGER PROJECTS ARE A LEGACY. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. UH, I LOOK AT THE GARAGE, THIS IS IT. LET'S HAVE THIS DIALOGUE A LITTLE BIT AS THIS HUGE MONSTROSITY I DO FROM, IT'S, I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW LARGE IT WAS TILL I WENT TO THE SITE, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND SAW IT, SAW HOW BIG IT'S GOING TO BE. I DON'T, WAS AN ARCHITECT AT [03:10:01] A, AND WHEN WE DID OUR DESIGN, YOU KNOW, KIMLEY HORN DID THE DESIGN RIGHT. OR SOMEBODY ELSE. SO KIMLEY HORN WAS A SUB, BUT, UH, THERE WAS AN ARCHITECT THAT WAS THE PRIME CONTRACT OR A CONSULTANT. AND I THINK IT'S SLEEK, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT LOOKS LIKE SEDONA. NOW I KNOW YOU, YOU JUST SAID BOTH OF YOU AND KAREN JUST SAID YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BELIEVE THE AESTHETIC. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT AESTHETIC IN ANY OF THE RENDERINGS, . SO I WOULD LIKE, AND, AND IT, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T EXIST, I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT. IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG WHITE BELT, LIKE TO ME. AND, UH, ANDY NOT IN THE RENDERINGS. I, I DON'T KNOW WHICH RENDERINGS YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT. SO THERE'S THE ONES YOU SHOW US. SO IN THE RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE, IT SHOWS THE, THE FASCIA TREATMENT THAT'S ROCK AND THAT SORT OF THING. THAT'S REALLY IS SEDONA. I MEAN, IT'S NOTHING LIKE A, A NORMAL, UM, PARKING GARAGE. SO CAN YOU JUST GET US A GRAPHIC IF WHEN WE COME BACK FOR LUNCH, JUST SURE. POP THAT UP. I'M SURE YOU HAVE IT HANDY. ABSOLUTELY. AND TO, TO ADDRESS THE, SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. THANK YOU. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THE, WHERE IS THE ART IN THAT GARAGE? YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT REP WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO SEE THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. . IS THERE A HORSE? IS THERE A HORSE? YES, A HORSE. THERE'S NO HORSE, BUT, BUT THANK YOU. YEAH. ART IS PART OF IT. AND YOU KNOW, EVEN THE, THE EX UM, THE LANDSCAPE AND COMMON SPACE AROUND THAT AREA, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO TO HOW, WHAT THE WHOLE AESTHETIC EXPERIENCE IS GOING TO BE. WONDERFUL. BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT ARE PROMINENT, YOU KNOW, LARGE, PROMINENT, AND ARE GOING TO EXIST FOR A LONG TIME SHOULD REFLECT OUR DESIGN SENSIBILITIES. AND SO HAVING AN, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ARCHITECTS ON STAFF, SO I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT DEGREE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE INCORPORATE AN ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT AS, AS PLANTS, BUT INTO, IN, INTO THE, UM, INITIAL STAGES. AND SO OF COURSE THE PARK DOES RAISE THE BAR. YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD LOOK ONLY TO THE PARK. HMM. NO, I'M, GO ON. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I, I THINK IT DOES RAISE THE BAR FOR WHAT COULD BE, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE PHENOMENAL. SO FOR THOSE LARGER PROJECTS, I WOULD BE WILLING TO WAIT. MM-HMM. . YEAH. AND, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO IMPLY THAT THAT'S NOT ALREADY BEING DONE. MM-HMM. IT, IT IS. I MEAN EVEN, EVEN THE UNDERPASS. OKAY. WHICH HAS THE WATER WHEEL, THE ARTWORK INSIDE THE HISTORICAL ELEMENTS. I MEAN, ANDY, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS INCORPORATED INTO THAT? SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST AN UNDERPASS, BUT THAT WAS DAY ONE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. MM-HMM. , WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE KINDS OF LEGACY TYPE PROJECTS REALLY DO NEED TO HAVE THAT EXTRA LEVEL OF SEDONA SPECIAL. AND, AND THEY, THEY DO, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT WITH THE UNDERPASS AND WITH THE PARKING GARAGE. MM-HMM. . BUT I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY IN, IN OTHER PROJECTS TO CONTINUE TO JUST SORT OF PUSH THE, PUSH THAT LEVEL OF, OF SEDONA SPECIAL. MM-HMM. , SEDONA. SPECIAL COUNCIL. DUN. I LIKE THAT PHRASE. SEDONA SPECIAL. I LIKE THAT. COUNCIL. DUN, ANY COMMENTS OR, OR QUESTIONS? SO, UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD REALLY LOVE FOR US TO NOT TALK ABOUT THE GARAGES, THE GARAGE, BUT RATHER, UM, THE HOLISTIC REQUIREMENT AND REQUESTS THAT WE MADE AROUND UPTOWN, UM, AND HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO SORT OF FIT TOGETHER WHEN IT'S DONE. NOT SAYING IT ALL HAS TO BE DONE AT ONCE, BUT JUST SORT OF THINKING ABOUT UPTOWN IN A HOLISTIC FASHION WITH URBAN DESIGN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON IS REALLY HEADED. MM-HMM. WITH ALL OF THIS. UM, SO I JUST WANNA SORT OF LIKE THROW THAT OUT THERE AND SAY, THINK ABOUT THE GARAGE AND THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE HOPE WILL HAPPEN IN UPTOWN SO THAT WE HAVE A CONSISTENT DESIGN WHEN WE'RE DONE. MM-HMM. AROUND, AROUND THAT. SO, IN HERE, THIS IS A QUESTION I THINK, UM, FOR THE CITY MANAGER, WHEN I READ THE PACKET, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INSIDE OF THE PACKET, UH, RESPONSE, UH, IS AROUND WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING, SHOULD THERE BE A POSITION OF AN URBAN PLANNER, RIGHT. UM, INSIDE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. MM-HMM. , UM, WHO CAN DECIDE A, SHOULD WE AT THIS [03:15:01] POINT IN TIME, BE CONSIDERING ANYTHING OTHER THAN LET'S GET AN SUP DONE, RIGHT? GET THE SHARED USE PATH DONE, AND WE'LL COME BACK LATER AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BE DOING ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT SHARED USE PATH, BECAUSE THOSE ARE COMPLICATED IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING MORE URBAN PLANNING DESIGN IN SOME NEW PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO RETROFIT. AND THEN HOW WILL THAT FIT IN? SO THEY CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL AT THAT POINT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKE THIS UP TO THE STANDARD OF THE RANGER STATION PARK OR THE UNDERPASS OR SEDONA SPECIAL SINCE THAT'S NOW A, A TERM OR, OR WE'VE APPARENTLY ADOPTED. UM, AND HOW THAT PHASES IN, BECAUSE NOT ALL THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE AT ONCE. IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE CONSIDERED IT WHEN WE START TO LAY OUT THE PLAN. RIGHT. SO, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL. SHOULD THERE BE, UM, CONSIDERATION FOR AN URBAN PLANNER IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? AND THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IN APRIL. I THINK IT IS WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET. SO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS, UM, A REQUEST BACK INTO TO COUNCIL FOR THAT. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO START THINKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THERE SHOULD BE SOMEONE ON STAFF WHO THINKS MORE HOLISTICALLY ABOUT THESE PIECES. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, BUT IT MIGHT BE A WAY TO DO THE COORDINATION THAT TO WHICH YOU WERE REFERRING. OKAY. YEAH. CAN I COMMENT? WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, PLEASE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO DO. UM, SO I DO THINK IT COULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH AN URBAN PLANNING MINDSET WHO CAN COORDINATE WITH THE ENGINEERING PROJECT MANAGERS MM-HMM. TO HELP INFORM THEIR NEXT STEPS IN FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEN BE THE COORDINATORS THAT BRING SUSTAINABILITY TO THE TABLE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ASPECTS OF, OF PLANNING AND ALL, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT PERSON WILL STILL NEED THE INPUT FROM THE PARKS AND THE ARTS AND THE SUSTAINABILITY AND ALL THIS. SO THE, THE BUR BURDEN'S A BAD WORD. THE, THE, YOU KNOW, RESOURCE, UM, OF THOSE OTHER AREAS STILL NEED TO COME TO THE TABLE. SO YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT MORE PROCESS. MM-HMM. . BUT I DO THINK THAT RATHER THAN SORT OF EXPECTING EVERY ENGINEERING PROJECT MANAGER TO BE THAT PERSON, THIS COULD HELP ALLEVIATE THAT ROLE. AND, AND THAT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S NOT WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, RIGHT? THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY THEIR PROJECT PEOPLE, THEY'RE ENGINEERS, THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING THE THINGS ALONG. AND THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED THAT THAT COULD BE A HELPFUL ROLE IN THAT FACILITATION COORDINATION. AND I'M SUPPORTING THAT IDEA WHOLEHEARTEDLY. I THINK THAT'S HOW WE MAKE OUR TRANSITION TOWARDS THINKING ABOUT THIS, IS TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S THINKING ABOUT THIS, AND AS THEY COORDINATE WITH ALL THESE OTHER GROUPS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME OF THAT LITTLE BIT OF DNA SPREAD INTO ALL THOSE OTHER GROUPS. AND IF THE PERSON, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ATTRACT AND THEN CAN RETAIN, THEN OVER TIME, REMEMBER RETAIN , IT WILL, IT WILL CONTINUE TO, AS, AS ANY TURNOVER HAPPENS ANYWHERE ELSE, YOU STILL HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S SPREADING THAT DNA OR A ROLE THAT IS SPREADING THAT DNA. SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA THAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED IN THE PACKET, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD SEE THAT COME BACK AGAIN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGET AS YOU KNOW, A A NEW SUGGESTED ROLE. THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BRIAN. MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SPOKEN MOST ELOQUENTLY ON THIS ISSUE, LEAVING ME WITH NOTHING TO SAY OTHER THAN I SUPPORT THE IDEA ON THE LIST AND THE IDEA OF, UH, LOOKING AT AN URBAN PLANNER. THANK YOU. SO I CAN'T SEE THE, THE PURPOSE OF HIRING AN URBAN PLANNER, BUT IF YOU HIRE A PLANNER WITH AN URBAN BACKGROUND, THAT THAT'S MULTIPURPOSE BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING A PROBLEM FINDING A PLANNER, LET ALONE AN URBAN PLANNER. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY ON STAFF THAT WOULD BE, THAT HAS THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ABSOLUTELY. I THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT. I KNOW WE, WE DO AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE ON STAFF WHO BRING AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RIGHT. CREATIVITY AND PERSPECTIVE AND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND PLACEMAKING. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DOES, RIGHT? UM, IT'S JUST THEY'RE SO TIED UP WITH OTHER [03:20:01] THINGS, RIGHT. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS FOR LONG RANGE PLANNING AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT CURRENT PLANNING HAS GOING ON, AND THAT'S REALLY THE AREA WHERE EVEN THE LDC UPDATE NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FINDING A PLANNER WHO CAN SERVE MULTIPLE PURPOSES WOULD, WOULD BE GREAT. AND I REALLY, I THINK, NEED TO COORDINATE WITH STEVE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CURRENT STAFF ALLOCATIONS ARE AND SEE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A NEW POSITION? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ONCE WE HAD SOME OF OUR PLANNING TEAM WHO ARE NEW UP TO SPEED, COULD THAT BE, I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF THIS IS A FULL-TIME ROLE OR WHETHER THIS IS A PART OF WHAT SOMEONE WOULD DO, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATE ON IN ADVANCE OF PUTTING TOGETHER DECISION PACKAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. AS LONG AS I KNOW THAT THIS IS A DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS US TO GO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS, UH, TO ASK. JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN PROVING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING IN THIS DIRECTION ANYWAY, SO THAT'S WHY I WOULDN'T SUPPORT JUST HIRING ANOTHER PERSON THAT I'M SURE, AND I KNOW THAT YOU DO HAVE PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS, BUT I KNOW YOU DO RECRUIT FOR THAT. UH, I DO AGREE THAT FOR MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, PARKING GARAGE, BUT I WAS AWARE THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS IN THERE DOING MORE WOULDN'T HURT. UH, BUT I, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IT HIGHER ON YOUR LIST AND IT'S PROMINENT IN YOUR DESIGN PLANS FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO. SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, BUT I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. UM, I, I AGREE. WELL, LET ME, I APPRECIATE ANDY SAYING ABOUT PARK BENCHES, BECAUSE I CAN JUST IMAGINE SOMEBODY WITH A, SHE HAD TO USE PATH IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE AND WE DECIDE WE'RE GONNA PUT A PARK BENCH RIGHT THERE. SO, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IT IN YOUR MIND STRATEGICALLY PLACED BENCHES YES, BUT NOT ON EVERY A HUNDRED FEET, A THOUSAND FEET OR WHATEVER. SAME THING WITH SHADE STRUCTURES, BUT YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THAT. SO, UM, SO I, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT HIRING JUST THAT ONE, UH, POSITION AS IT WAS SAID BEFORE, TO ME, IT'S, YOU ARE ALREADY DOING IT. SO I DON'T SEE MOVING FORWARD, UNLESS YOU DECIDE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING IT, THEN WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION OTHERWISE, BUT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M ALREADY AT AND I APPRECIATE THAT'S ALREADY BEING DONE. SO, MR. EXCUSE ME, BACK. YEAH. NEXT. SO THE REASON WHY SHE'S TAKING ON ME, OKAY, YOU WERE NOT TAKING ON TO ME. GO AHEAD. THE REASON WHY HAVING THIS AS AN INDEPENDENT POSITION, WHOSE FOCUS IS SOLELY ON THIS, IS WE HAVE SO MANY PROJECTS GOING ON THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH URBAN PLANNING DESIGN IN THEIR BACKGROUNDS, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY GET TO FOCUS ON THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. SO TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO THAT IS THEIR JOB AND THAT THE COORDINATION BETWEEN OTHER PEOPLE IS THEIR JOB, FIRST OF ALL, MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP FOCUS ON THAT. AND SECOND, THE PEOPLE WHO DO HAVE URBAN PLANNING BACKGROUNDS WHO ARE DOING OTHER PROJECTS, WILL ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO EXERCISE THAT URBAN PLANNING MUSCLE, SO TO SPEAK, OR DESIRE IF THEY SO CHOOSE BY COORDINATING IN AND BRINGING THEIR IDEAS IN AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SEEN IT MANY, MANY TIMES WHEN WE TRY TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO, UM, IS A GENERALIST. THEY GET PULLED INTO SOME PROJECT AND THEY CAN'T DO THE OTHER ASPECT THAT WE MAY HAVE BROUGHT THEM IN, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE YOU BRING IN WHO'S ONLY A SPECIALIST WHO CAN THEN ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO BRING IN THAT AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY TO ME, IT, IT COULD BE THAT WHEN, WHEN THE CITY MANAGER SPEAKS, UM, WITH, WITH THE COORDINATOR, THE DIRECTOR, THEY MIGHT SAY, I ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEONE WHO THIS, WHO, THEY'D BE PERFECT FOR THIS. THEY LOVE DOING THIS. AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS AND THEREFORE BR THAT BRING THAT TALENT ACROSS MANY PROJECTS AS OPPOSED TO THEY ONLY FOCUS ON THE ONE PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID I'D BE INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS, AND I KNOW WE PROBABLY LOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS MORE, BUT CANNOT BECAUSE THEY, WE'VE GOT SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. SO FOR ME, THIS, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CONSIDER THIS. UM, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY POTENTIALLY FOR SOMEONE IN OUR, IN OUR ORGANIZATION ALREADY, OR TO BRING IN SOMEONE WHO WILL DO THIS BY, BY FOCUSING ON IT, WE, WE MAINTAIN THAT IDEA ACROSS EVERYTHING INSTEAD OF THEM GETTING SUCKED INTO A PROJECT WHERE WE LOSE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A DAILY JOB TO DO. SO THAT'S ALL. OKAY. CAN YOU ADDRESS [03:25:01] THAT AT ALL, KAREN? AS FAR AS YOUR STAFF? DO YOU SEE A, THE NEED TO HIRE A SPECIFIC, SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT I JUST SAID WAS THAT , I UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER. MM-HMM. , WE'RE NOT SURE ON THE LONG RANGE SIDE WHAT COULD BE HAPPENING IN THE COMING MONTHS. SO I THINK THIS, THIS IS WORTH PURSUING WHETHER WE CAN DO THAT AND INCORPORATE IT WITH OUR EXISTING RESOURCES. LIKE HAVE SOMEONE WHO THIS IS PART OF THEIR JOB DUTIES IS TO ACT AS THIS COORDINATOR OR WILL IT NECESSITATE TRYING TO FIND AN ADDITIONAL PERSON. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION YET, BUT I DO THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO, THIS IS PART OF THEIR JOB OR ALL OF THEIR JOB, BUT THEY'RE FOCUSED ON IT AND THEY UNDERSTAND LIKE, HERE, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, IT WILL CREATE BETTER FACILITATION AND ASSURANCE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR CIP, THIS IS HAPPENING WITH AS MANY OF THESE PROJECTS AS POSSIBLE, THAT'S GOING TO HELP US FOCUS AND DO AND DO THAT. I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. JESSICA, NOW YOU WANT TO GO I SUPPORT, I SUPPORT A NEW PERSON TO DO IT. I THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THE ENGINEERS TO STOP MOVING FORWARD AND DOING THE PROJECTS. I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO STOP AND SAY, OH GEE, SHOULD I PUT A TREE THERE? LET'S SPEND ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL LET THE TREE BE IN THE FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY. I WANT. SO I THINK THIS ACTUALLY RATHER THAN DIMINISH, UM, ANY EXISTING STAFF, I THINK IT WOULD BE A HUGE, UM, BURDEN OFF PEOPLE'S BACKS AND ALLOW THEM TO JUST PUSH FORWARD DOING WHAT THEY DO BEST. 'CAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO STOP MOVING AHEAD ON PROJECTS. SO, UM, IT IS A BALANCE. IT'S NEVER GONNA BE PERFECT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MOVE TOWARD RAISING THE BAR ON, ON THE DESIGN COMPONENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT'S REALLY GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO I SUPPORT, UM, HOWEVER YOU THINK IT'S BEST ORGANIZING IT. I'M NOT GONNA SAY, DO WE NEED A NEW PERSON ENTIRELY OR NOT. MY INCLINATION IS ALWAYS TO SAY, YES, A NEW PERSON WHO DOES ONLY THIS, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE AMOUNT OF WORK EVERYBODY HAS ALREADY, THAT THIS IS A GENUINE INITIATIVE. UM, NOT JUST AN ADD-ON TO AN ALREADY OVERBURDENED PERSON AS SOMETHING MORE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND THINK ABOUT. SO, BUT I LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU ON HOW YOU WANNA PRESENT IT. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM. I DON'T THINK IT'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THEY'RE NOT DOING IT ALL AT ALL. 'CAUSE I THINK WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU DO DO IT AND THAT YOU HAVE WORKED TOWARD DOING IT. I THINK ANDY WAS VERY ELOQUENT ABOUT THE CONSTRAINTS UPON HIS STAFF IN IN, IN DOING THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT I'M SUGGESTING. AND I THINK THERE'S SOME SUPPORT ON COUNCIL FOR DOING IT. SO I THINK SAYING YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT IS REALLY, EH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD ALL WELCOME DOING IT AT A HIGHER LEVEL IF THAT'S POSSIBLE WITHIN THE CONSTRUCT OF THE ORGANIZATION. SO I DO SUPPORT LOOKING AT A PERSON. OKAY. COMMENTS? ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO, WELL, GO AHEAD. WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU THINK YOU RECEIVED? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU. . I THINK THAT ALL OF COUNCIL HAS AN INTEREST IN US ELEVATING, UM, THE EXECUTION OF PROJECTS FROM AN AESTHETIC, FROM A DESIGN, FROM, FROM A CREATIVE PERSPECTIVE. AND I WILL BE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE AN ADDITIONAL STAFF PERSON IS NECESSARY OR NOT NECESSARY IN ORDER, UH, FOR US TO BETTER DO THAT ON MORE PROJECTS. AND YOU WILL EITHER SEE THAT OR NOT SEE THAT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THROUGH A DECISION PACKAGE. BUT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU SEE A NEW POSITION, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT, UM, ABOUT DOING [03:30:01] AS WE APPROACH THE CIP. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. PERFECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, WE'RE GOT NEXT WOULD BE LUNCH. HOW ARE WE DOING TIME-WISE? I'M JUST CURIOUS. WELL, WE'RE UP TO KAREN. DO YOU KNOW? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE DOING OKAY. HOW TO BE, ARE YOU STILL GONNA GIVE US THAT OPTIMISTIC? ARE WE DOING WELL TIME-WISE? OH YEAH, WE'RE DOING GREAT. WE'RE SCHEDULED TILL FIVE, RIGHT. AND WE'RE, AND I WANNA MEET THAT. ALMOST DONE. WELL, WE HAVE A LOT THE PRIORITY LIST TO GO THROUGH. THE OTHER NEW THINGS ARE GONNA TAKE IS EQUAL AMOUNT DISCUSSION. YES. . WE'LL JUST HAVE TO KEEP IT UPON OURSELVES TO TRY TO MOVE IT ALONG. SO LUNCH HALF AN HOUR. IS THAT GOOD? OH, IS, ARE WE READY FOR LUNCH? IS LUNCH HERE? YES, LUNCH IS HERE. THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING ASKING ABOUT LUNCH. OKAY. UH, YEAH. EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT? HALF AN HOUR? SURE. OKAY. 12, 15. OKAY. TIME PUT MY YOU GUYS, YOU'RE GONNA DEDUCT FROM MY . OKAY. OKAY. ITEM THREE, I CONSIDER APPROVING LODGING IF SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS ARE INCLUDED. THIS IS WHOSE UNIT? THAT'S MINE. OKAY. HE ROLLS HIS EYES. , GO AHEAD. WELL, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS JUST REALLY SOMETHING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I'M NOT SURE WHICH SIDE OF THE DISCUSSION. NO, REALLY THAT I FALL, THAT I FALL ON. I, I MEAN, I REALLY JUST WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. SO, UM, I LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE AFTER FOUR YEARS OF REALLY INTENSIVE, REALLY INTENSIVE WORK ON CREATING HOUSING. AND I LOOK AT THE LIST OF THAT SHANNON GAVE US, WHICH ARE ALL NICE, BUT ARE ALL, ALL OF THEM HAVE REALLY SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES TO GETTING DONE. THE ONE THAT WAS THE MOST PROMISING, WHICH WAS THE, UM, SUNSET LOFTS, WAS THAT THE ONE IT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SUDDENLY DIED. I MEAN, SO WHAT I GUESS I'M SAYING IS THAT DESPITE THE BEST EFFORTS OF THE COUNCIL AND THE FOCUS FROM THE STAFF AND OUR HOUSING COORDINATOR, WE STILL ARE NOT PRODUCING HOUSING. AND WHILE WE BOUGHT THE CULTURAL PARK WITH THE INTENT OF HOUSING, THAT'S OPTIMISTICALLY FIVE YEARS, OPTIMISTICALLY FIVE TO 10 YEARS AWAY TO BE BUILDING THAT, THOSE UNITS. SO IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME WHILE I WAS, I GUESS TALKING , UM, THAT ALLOWING HOTELS WITH A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS OR WORKFORCE HOUSING USE SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER BECAUSE HOTELS GET BUILT. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE FOUND OUT WITH MARRIOTT, THEY OFFER, AND I DON'T EVER WANT TO TAKE MONEY FROM HOTELS AGAIN. THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY BUILD HOUSING. UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO MARRIOTT, THEY OFFERED, I DON'T KNOW, 200,000, UH, TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR HOUSING FUND INITIALLY. INITIALLY. AND WE, BUT WE SAID NO, THEY, THAT'S AFTER 10 MINUTES OF DISCUSSION AMONG THEMSELVES, THEY CAME BACK WITH EIGHT. I EXPECT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN A LOT MORE. SO I THINK WE DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH BUILDING WORKFORCE UNITS WITH HOTELS, THEY SAY IT'S ONLY THIS MUCH. I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE HOW MUCH IT ACTUALLY IS. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD RECONSIDER OUR POLICY. HEY, BRIAN HAS A COMMENT OR QUESTION. NO QUESTION. UH, COUNSELOR, HAVE YOU THOUGHT THROUGH LIKE, YOU KNOW, RATIO OF HOW MANY STAFF IT TAKES PER, YOU KNOW, X NUMBER OF ROOMS. SO IF WE APPROVED A 100 UNIT HOTEL, LIKE HOW MANY, HOW MANY NEW JOBS WOULD THAT CREATE AND HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT LIKE, OKAY, THEY GOTTA BE ABLE TO OFFSET THAT PLUS ON TOP OF THAT, YOU KNOW, ADD MORE, OTHERWISE IT'S JUST AN EXTRACTIVE PROJECT. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT AT ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OF WHAT YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE? NO, I HAVE FOR IT TO BE ATTRACTIVE TO YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S AN ISSUE AND I WOULD, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO EXPLORE THAT UNTIL WE DECIDE AS A POLICY LEVEL, IT'S WORTH EXPLORING. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T [03:35:01] KNOW IT OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S FINE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW. I WOULD SAY IT'S FUNDAMENTAL TO THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF A PROJECT COMES ALONG AGAIN AND THEY WANT TO, UH, OFFER A HUNDRED ROOMS AND THEN THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE'LL COME UP WITH 20 APARTMENTS, LET'S JUST SAY, RIGHT? LIKE, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH TO OFFSET THE DEMAND FOR EMPLOYEES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PULL OUT OF THE COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. . SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOTTA BUILD PAST THAT IN MY MIND. THEY'VE GOTTA BUILD PAST THAT FOR, UH, HOUSING. AND THEN WE STILL HAVE TO WEIGH, OKAY, WHAT KIND OF ADDITIONAL IMPACT IS THAT GONNA HAVE ON TRAFFIC? RIGHT? LIKE, WHAT ARE THOSE, YOU KNOW, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT, THAT ALSO GO ALONG WITH THIS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHERE IS IT LOCATED? AND THAT COULD BE DISASTROUS AS WELL. UM, NO, NO. ALL OF THOSE ARE SITE SPECIFIC ISSUES. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE POLICY ITSELF, WHICH WE HAVE NOW OF NOT CONSIDERING HOTELS. SO, YEAH, I I MEAN, ARE WE, ARE WE OKAY WITH DOING COMMENTING QUESTION ON THIS? OR ANYBODY HAVE ANY PREFERENCE? NO. GO. RIGHT. OKAY. IT'S JUST THE DISCUSSION NOW, I THINK. OKAY. WHEN WE HAVE THESE KIND OF POLICY DISCUSSIONS, I THINK IT'S REALLY WORTH ALLOWING US TO SORT OF JUST FREE FLOW WITH HOW WE DISCUSS IT. I'M FREE FLOWING HERE WITH YOUR COUNSELOR. I'M FREE FLOWING TOO. SO MY, MY FREE FLOWING THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT WE SHOULD KEEP AN OPEN MIND TO PROPOSALS THAT COME ALONG, BUT NOT, I, I DON'T SEE A, A NEED TO CHANGE WHAT OUR OVERALL ATTITUDE IS TOWARDS ADDITIONAL LODGING AT THIS TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE PROJECT THAT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, ZONING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY WELCOME IT TO MM-HMM. TO P AND Z, ET CETERA. AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT WINDS UP COMING TO US, THEN WE EVALUATE IT ON ITS MERITS. AND I GUESS THAT'S HOW I WOULD APPROACH ANY OF THESE. LIKE, WE'VE ALREADY STRUCK, UH, LODGING FROM THE CFA DESCRIPTIONS. I WOULDN'T REVERT BACK FROM THAT. AND WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, SORRY AGAIN, JUST, SORRY, JUST I'LL, I'LL STOP HERE IN A SECOND SO YOU CAN RESPOND. YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY TO ME, IF, IF WE WOULD SAY YES TO A HOTEL, IT'S GOTTA BE ABLE TO COVER ITS EMPLOYMENT, IT'S TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING IT'S GONNA CREATE PLUS SOME ADDITIONAL AMOUNT MORE, AND WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT MORE IS. MM-HMM. , GOSH, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN IS IT 20 UNITS? IS IT 30? IS IT 40? I MEAN, BUT IT WOULD BE SOME IT, YEAH. AND, AND NOT JUST ONE OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE TRULY A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. MM-HMM. . AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST APPROVED 30 UNITS TUESDAY NIGHT. RIGHT. IN A SENSE. RIGHT. LIKE, LIKE IF WE'RE NOT GETTING AT LEAST THAT MUCH INCREMENTAL, IT'S NOT VERY INTERESTING, I DON'T THINK. OKAY. I GUESS PART OF THE THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT WITHOUT CHANGING SORT OF OUR, OUR POLICY OFFICIALLY, UM, STAFF TELLS DEVELOPERS THAT THEY DON'T SUPPORT THE PROJECT 'CAUSE IT HAS A HOTEL. SO STAFF TELLS DEVELOPERS THAT NOW. AND, AND SO IF, IF WE WERE WILLING TO CONSIDER A PROPOSAL, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO SORT OF MAKE THAT DECISION AND LET STAFF KNOW HOW THEY WOULD INTERACT WITH, WITH DEVELOPERS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY JUST SAY WE CAN'T SUPPORT IT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA BRING IT FORWARD. DEVELOPERS HAVE TO INSIST THAT THEY BE BROUGHT FORWARD AND I THINK IT MAKES A REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION. I AGREE THAT MAYBE ECONOMICALLY THERE IS NO WAY THAT ANYBODY COULD SATISFY, UM, THAT LEVEL OF HOUSING REQUIREMENT. BUT WHETHER WE, LET'S, I MEAN, LET'S HEAR FROM SOMEBODY ELSE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY WHY I WANTED IT TO BE KIND OF OFFICIAL, NOT LEAVE IT JUST THE WAY IT IS. COUNCIL DON, YOU HAVE A POINT QUESTION OR COMMENT? I'M NOT SURE I HAVE A POINT, BUT A QUESTION OR COMMENT. JOIN THE CLUB. UM, I HAVE AN OPINION. GO FOR IT. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS COME TO MIND. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT A, UM, PROPOSAL HAS COME IN FRONT OF P AND Z RECENTLY, WHICH WAS A HOTEL AND, UM, PROPOSED SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING. I THINK IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED AND THE REASON WHY IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED IS NOT JUST THE NUMBERS WHICH COUNCILOR FUL IS QUITE RIGHT IN. AND IT DOES NEED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, WHICH MEANS IT MUST GO BEYOND WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO NEED. BUT IT'S ALSO THE TYPE, SO WHEN YOU SAY I'M GONNA BUILD WORKFORCE HOUSING AND IT'S ALL GOING TO BE LOFTS AND STUDIO APARTMENTS, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING FAMILIES TO LIVE THERE. RIGHT. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE IS, [03:40:01] YOU KNOW, I'LL BUILD SOME, I'LL TAKE A TINY LITTLE SPACE AND I'LL PUT 12 UNITS IN THAT TINY LITTLE SPACE WHERE 12 SINGLE INDIVIDUALS OR YOU KNOW, A A COUPLE WHERE ONE'S GONNA SLEEP ON A SOFA OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. NOT REALLY GOOD HOUSING. IS, IS THAT SUFFICIENT TO WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY? AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO, TO FIND WAYS TO ENCOURAGE FAMILIES IN THE WORKFORCE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE, WELL WE'RE NOT DOING THAT BY, BY SAYING STUDIO APARTMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, IT'S GREAT. SO I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY COMPLICATED AND UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AND I'M ALSO NOT COMFORTABLE WITH JUST SAYING, WELL, IT SHOULD JUST BE HOTELS. LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO THAT, WHY NOT SAY THAT ANY NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND US MUST SUR SUPPLY MUST SUPPLY SOME NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WITH HOUSING BY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, AN APARTMENT ON TOP OR BEHIND OR WHATEVER. SO I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS A RABBIT HOLE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS A POLICY, WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT THAT MEANS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M NOT DISAGREEING, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT, IT CAN BE WAY MORE EXPANSIVE THAN WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT. AND I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE THERE YET. WELL, IT COULD BE, BUT I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. SO WHEN WE CANCELED THE CFAS OR CHANGE THE CFAS, WE TOOK OUT LODGING AS A PREFERENCE, BUT WE DIDN'T ELIMINATE LODGING. CORRECT. STAFF IS FILLING. YEAH, CORRECT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND SO THERE, THERE'S NO, TO COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON'S, SHE STATED A COUPLE TIMES THERE'S A POLICY AGAINST LODGING. THERE'S NO POLICY AGAINST LODGING. THAT'S TRUE. THE CFA WAS AMENDED. IT USED TO ENCOURAGE LODGING IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS AND NOW IT'S LODGING IS NOT ENCOURAGED. AND, AND IT DIDN'T EVEN STRIKE OUT ALL LODGING. IT REPLACED IT WITH MIXED USE THROUGHOUT. AND MIXED USE COULD HAVE A COMPONENT OF LODGING, UM, DEPENDING ON WHICH MIXED USE YOU WERE LOOKING FOR. UH, AND THAT WAS ONLY THOSE TWO CFAS. THE OVERALL COMMUNITY PLAN STILL HAS LODGING AREA LIMITS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE SEMI WHERE CITY WHERE LODGING WOULD STILL, UH, AS OF THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, BE ALLOWED. WHILE THAT IS TRUE THANK YOU, KAREN. THE REALITY IS WHEN STAFF ENGAGE WITH DEVELOPERS WHO COME IN AND SAY, I WANNA BUILD A HOTEL, WE, WE TELL THEM THE REALITY IN OUR COMMUNITY GIVEN SENATE BILL 1350 AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IN RECENT YEARS IS THAT WE DO NOT BELIEVE BASED ON PRIOR POLICYMAKER CONVERSATIONS AS WELL AS JUST COMMUNITY SENTIMENT, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE AWARE OF COMMUNITY SENTIMENT, THAT THERE IS NO APPETITE IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR NEW LODGING. IF THAT'S DIFFERENT, THEN THE REALITY, THEN WE ALSO PROBABLY NEED THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS WILL BE DIFFERENT. THE REALITY OF ZONE CHANGES IS THAT THOSE ARE DISCRETIONARY DECISIONS. SO WHEN, AND MOST NEW HOTELS WILL NEED ZONING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK WE PROVIDE THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM TO INVEST BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO, TO PURSUE LAND USE ENTITLEMENT PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND PUT IN THE MONEY WITH LAND SURVEYS AND ARCHITECTURE AND, AND DESIGN AND EVERYTHING. EVEN TO GET TO THE POINT OF A REZONE, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THEM INVESTING MM-HMM. TIME AND MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY IS NEVER GONNA SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY BECAUSE IT'S, WHEN IT GOES THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, IT WON'T BE SUPPORTABLE. SO THAT'S, SO IF, IF THAT'S DIFFERENT, THEN I THINK WHAT COUNCIL WANTS US TO BE SAYING TO DEVELOPERS, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT. UM, BUT I THINK THE COMMUNITY PLAN WORK WAS MORE IN LINE WITH, WITH THIS TRAIN OF THINKING THAN OTHER, I GUESS WHAT I'M, MY QUESTION IS, IF A DEVELOPER CAME IN AND SAID, I'M GOING TO BE WILLING TO MAKE 50% OF MY ROOM'S WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHAT WOULD THE STAFF SAY? I THINK WE WOULD, I THINK WE'D BE OPEN TO, TO SUGGESTING THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD, UM, BE SALEABLE. SO UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHAT IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIGNIFICANT MEANS, 50% TO ME IS SIGNIFICANT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF 30% SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT LINE IS. MM-HMM. . BUT IF THAT'S WHAT STAFF WOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED OKAY. TO [03:45:01] CHANGE ANYTHING. RIGHT. I AGREE. OKAY. IS THERE, YOU WANNA APPLY OR YOU JUST WANT TO UH, I DO WANNA APPLY ON THAT BECAUSE I, AGAIN, THE PHRASING, SORRY, THE PHRASING WAS FOR, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER APPROVING, BUT WE DON'T NOT APPROVE. I AGREE WITH HOW COUNSELOR FULMAN THE FIRST, UM, UH, STATED IT THAT WE, NO ONE'S PREVENTED FROM APPLYING FOR ANYTHING THAT IS THEIR VISION TO APPLY. UM, I THINK WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THE, THE STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB OF CONVEYING POLICY OF COUNCIL AND THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T WANNA TAKE SOMETHING OR CREATE A POLICY ASIDE THAT INTERFERES WITH WHAT I THINK HAS BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE DIALOGUE. I THINK WE'RE EXACTLY WHERE WE NEED TO TO BE ON THIS. SO I DON'T, I DON'T SUPPORT ANY CHANGE AT THE MOMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IF THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AT ALL. SO, BUT YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION. SO IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT FEELS THAT THIS SHOULD MOVE FORWARD? OR CAN WE JUST THAT WHAT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD? I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE PROPOSING I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. I HEARD JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK, UH, JESSICA, YOU NO, NO, GO AHEAD. OKAY, GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. WHAT WOULD COUNCILOR FERMAN FERMAN WANT TO TALK FIRST? ESQUIRE, PETE FULMAN FORMAN, WHO DECIDES WHO'S FIRST AND SECOND? I, I DON'T CAME UP WITH IT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NOVEL TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION. I SHARE ALL OF MY COUNCIL'S, COUNCIL MEMBER, COLLEAGUES, UH, SENTIMENTS SHARED AND CONCERNS. SO, OKAY. SO MAYOR, THE THING I WANTED TO JUST ADD, AND IT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE VICE MAYOR JUST JOGGED MY MEMORY ON ALSO IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UH, TRADITIONAL LODGING OCCUPANCY RUNNING, UH, AGGREGATE ANNUAL AVERAGE IN THE MID, UPPER 60% RANGE. IT'S ABOUT 5% BELOW HISTORICAL HIGH, UM, ON A GOOD YEAR. AND IT'S NOT, 'CAUSE THERE AREN'T PEOPLE HERE, IT'S 'CAUSE THEY'RE STAYING IN ALTERNATIVE PROPERTY, UH, IN THE FORM OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT DOING MUCH OF A FAVOR TO OUR EXISTING, UM, TRADITIONAL LODGING, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS BY INCREASING CAPACITY. UH, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT I, I, I DON'T BELIEVE, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING JUST TRULY, TRULY EXTRAORDINARY, GETTING INTERNATIONAL COVERAGE, I DON'T SEE WHERE A NEW LODGING PROPERTY IS GONNA RESULT IN INCREASED DEMAND FOR TRADITIONAL LODGING, THUS TAKING AWAY SHARE FROM THE EXISTING PARTICIPANTS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT, NOT THAT I WANNA RUN A, UM, A PROTECTIVE ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? , I MEAN, I, I DO LIKE CAPITALISM, SO PROTECTIONISM ISN'T GREAT, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY ALREADY. WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH CAPACITY. SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE MORE. OKAY. SO I I'M NOT HEARING ANY SUPPORT FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD AT ALL. SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING A SUGGESTION. THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION. I APPRECIATE IT. THAT WAS MY INTENT. OKAY. UH, ITEM FOUR, CONSIDER INSTALLING PARKING GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY IN UPTOWN. THAT'S GONNA BE KAREN. AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. I MEAN, I'LL LEAVE IT FROM THERE. OKAY. WE TALKED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY. WE'RE GONNA DO IT AS PART OF THE, UH, OVERALL PARKING PLANNING AND, UH, FOR UPTOWN. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. AND THEN ANDY, YOU'RE, I, I'M GUESSING YOU'RE DOING WHAT I HAD ASKED YOU TO DO BEFORE. YOU HAVE SOME RENDERINGS OF THE PARKING GARAGE THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE? IF YOU CAN GET THE OTHER SCREEN UP. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S ON POLTERGEIST OR SOMETHING IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER HERE. I'M GONNA TRY THIS. KATHY DOES IT OUT. IT'S SO MUCH BETTER TODAY. GOOD. TAKES IT A SECOND SO FAR. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO THIS IS A COPY OF WHAT WE SHOWED TO THE PUBLIC AT OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING, UM, IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. IT SHOWS THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED BASED ON ELEMENTS OF OUR NATURAL LANDSCAPE HERE. SO IT LOOKS AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STAINED CONCRETE ELEMENT. AND I'LL SHOW THE BUILDING HERE IN JUST AS, UH, JUST A MINUTE AS WELL AS THE STEEL ELEMENTS. I'LL, I'LL POINT OUT. THEN WE HAVE THE GIAN BASKETS MASONRY AND, AND THE LANDSCAPE ITSELF. SO HERE'S, LET'S SEE, IS THIS THE ONE I JUST WANNA LOOK? [03:50:01] OKAY, I'LL KIND OF ZOOM IN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN SEE THAT STEEL ELEMENT RUNS ACROSS THE FRONT ELEVATION. AND THEN THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE STAINED CONCRETE AT, UM, AT THE ENDS OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS IN THE CENTER HERE. THEN THE ELEVATOR SHAFT HAS THAT MASONRY ELEMENT HERE. UM, WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS? UH, THE, THE GUARDRAIL FOR LIKE THE STAIRS FOR INSTANCE, IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL MM-HMM. CHEAP KIND OF PRODUCT. IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING NICE. SO JUST OVERALL, IT'S DEFINITELY, UM, INTENDED TO BLEND INTO OUR NATURAL LANDSCAPE. AND, AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET, I, YOU KNOW, A GOOD PORTION OF THE BUILDING YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SIDE ELEVATIONS IS ACTUALLY DUG INTO, LITERALLY INTO THE LANDSCAPE. SO THAT, THAT IN ITSELF IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PART ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT HOW WE'RE TAKING WHAT, WHATEVER IT WAS, FOUR ACRES WORTH OF PARKING AND PUTTING IT INTO THIS SITE, CONDENSING IT DOWN TO THE TWO ACRE SITE WE HAVE HERE AND, AND BEARING A GOOD PORTION OF IT, PORTION OF IT INTO THE GROUND. SO, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, UM, BEING BLENDED INTO THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE. ANY QUESTIONS, KATHY, THAT FOURTH IMAGE DOWN, WHAT IS THAT DEPICTING? SO THAT'S THE EAST ELEVATION, THAT WOULD BE THE SIDE OVER BY, TOWARDS, TOWARDS UPTOWN, YOU MIGHT SAY. IT FACES THE HOMES. YES. ANDY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LARGER SCALE? SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IS PLANNED FOR THE FRONT SETBACK AREA? THE LANDSCAPE? OH, RIGHT. BIKE RACKS. UM, ART WILL BE INCORPORATED AND LA UM, YEAH, THE, THE CONCEPT HERE REALLY IS TO MAKE IT WELCOMING AND AN INVITING FOR KIND OF A, A GATHERING SPACE SORT OF, UH, ATMOSPHERE. SO, YEAH, LIKE, LIKE KAREN WAS POINTING OUT, THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPE THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THE'S TREES, VEGETATION, DIFFERENT VEGETATION THAT WOULD BE SURROUNDING, UM, THE BUILDING. AND IT'S ALL BASED ON WHAT'S ALLOWABLE BY OUR CODE AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING. BUT, UM, YEAH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT IS TO MAKE IT VERY WELCOMING TO THE FRONTAGE OF THIS, OF THIS STRUCTURE. UM, THE OTHER THING TOO, I THOUGHT IT MUST BE IN ANOTHER PHOTO OR ANOTHER RENDERING. I MEAN, IT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE THE POLICE SUBSTATION WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THIS BUILDING AS WELL. I THINK IT, IT JUST CALLS IT OUT RIGHT HERE. THE FAR RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S JUST CALLING IT OUT THERE. AND THIS WAS AT THE, LIKE FIRST PART OF DESIGN. SO AS WE GET THE FINAL DESIGN COMPLETED, SOME OF THE, THE ART ELEMENTS AND THE FINALIZATION KIND OF LIKE FINISHING TOUCHES, UM, WILL BE INCORPORATED AND THAT WILL COME BACK IN THE SPRING. SO THIS IS NOW WHAT, YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SO, PRETTY CLOSE. YEAH, IT WAS SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, OF COURSE. HOW IS, YOU GOTTA GET ON MY GOING , HOW IS THE ART GOING TO BE INCORPORATED? YOU KNOW, WHAT MECHANISM? SO WE'VE, WE'VE INCLUDED NANCY LATTANZI IN THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT. SO SHE'S BEEN LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN PUT IN, UM, WHETHER IT BE A, YOU KNOW, SCULPTURE OF SOME SORT OR WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY, BUT SHE'S LOOKING AT WHAT OUR, OUR OPPORTUNITIES COULD BE FOR THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'LL BE PART OF, LIKE I SAID, THOSE KIND OF FINISHING TOUCHES ONCE WE GET, UM, THE DESIGN COMPLETED. AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE WHAT'S COMING BACK IN THE SPRING. SHE CAN HAVE A WORK GROUP OF ART LOCAL ARTISTS. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S GONNA GO TO THAT EXTENT. SHE HADN'T PUT TOGETHER A WORK GROUP FOR THIS. YEAH. THE, THE OTHER THING [03:55:01] THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE EVACUATION, UM, PROCESS FOR UPTOWN AND HOW THE GARAGE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THAT. AND, UM, SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF AUTOMATED GATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD CONTROL WHERE YOU CAN ENTER AND EXIT AND HOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE FOR DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, AS WELL AS PUTTING IN DIGITAL SIGNS THAT CAN PUT BROADCAST A MESSAGE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATE TO THESE, THESE FOLKS THAT ARE PARKED IN THIS FACILITY AND, AND GET MESSAGES TO THEM MOST EFFICIENTLY. DO YOU HAVE, THIS IS THE FRONT OF, WELL, IT'S THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT, BUT THE SIDES AND THE BACK, THE PRIOR SCREEN, BUT YOU COULDN'T REALLY TELL WHAT I THINK THAT WAS THIS WAY. WAIT, UH, IT'S FURTHER DOWN. YEAH, YOU REALLY GOTTA ZOOM IN TO, TO SEE IT. SO THIS WOULD BE THE WEST ELEVATION AT THE TOP HERE. AND THEN THAT EAST ELEVATION SO IS DOWN HERE. SO THIS IS, WHERE DOES THAT FACE THE EAST ELEVATION? BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH CONCRETE. YEAH, THIS WOULD BE THE SIDE WHERE THE, IT USED TO BE THE QUEST BUILDING. I ASSUME IT'S STILL QUEST, BUT YEAH, IT'D BE FACING ANOTHER BUILDING BASICALLY. AND THEN THAT'S THE BACK OF THE BUILDING OR THE NORTH SIDE. THERE WOULD BE THESE GIAN BASKETS THAT HELP KIND OF BLEND INTO THE ADJACENT RED DIRT AREAS AS WELL AS THE TREES AND LANDSCAPES THAT WOULD BE LOCATED ALONG THAT, UM, ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL. VICE, VICE MAYOR, YOU GOOD? I'M REALLY NOT GOOD, BUT I'M GOOD . I, I JUST THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE CREATIVITY, MORE ARTISTIC TOUCHES. I MEAN, A SCULPTURE PLOP, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T DO IT FOR ME. IT'S ABOUT THE WHAT WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE YOU THINKING? OF COURSE I WAS THINKING OF A MURAL, BUT I KNOW NOBODY ELSE WAS INTERESTED IN THAT. BUT SOMETHING THAT ARE ARTISTIC ELEMENTS THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY, WHERE'S THE STATUTE? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU HAVE A STATUTE WHO SEES THIS, WHERE IS IT GONNA BE? WELL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT HAS BEEN YET DETERMINED, WHICH IS WHY I'M INTERESTED IN THE, IN THE FEEDBACK AS WE'RE FINALIZING AND PUTTING THOSE FINAL TOUCHES ON. UM, IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'RE, YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN US TAKING A LOOK AT, UM, LET US KNOW. I THINK A WORK GROUP OF ARTISTS MM-HMM. WOULD FAR BETTER THAN ME TO ARTICULATE WHAT THAT AESTHETIC COULD LOOK LIKE. SO THERE'S, THERE'S ENHANCEMENTS. MM-HMM. . AND THEN THERE'S THE FACADE. MM-HMM. . SO AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, UNLESS WE GET DIRECTION TO GO IN A TOTALLY OTHER DIRECTION, I MEAN THE FACADE ELEMENTS ARE SET, BUT I THINK THERE COULD BE ENHANCEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT COULD GIVE THOSE KINDS OF TOUCHES. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL CONCEPT WAS THAT THE FACADE OR PARTS OF THE FACADE WOULD BE WRAPPED IN, UM, IN ROCK. MM-HMM. . YES. AND IT WAS SO COST PROHIBITIVE, I MEAN, SO EXPENSIVE THAT THEY LANDED ON THE LIKE VARIEGATED, UM, FOUR 20 COLORED CONCRETE. WELL, AND THEN FOUR 10, THE STEEL, STEEL STEEL AS WELL. YEAH. OTHER ELEMENTS, BUT WELL, WHATEVER. BUT YEAH, THAT, THOSE COULD BE THINGS AS LONG AS YOU'RE SAYING DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BETTER SHOT. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DIRECT THE OH, THAT'S ARCHITECT TO REDO THE FACADE. BUT, BUT YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, TO MAKE IT SEDONA SPECIAL. OH, THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S REALLY IRRITATING. . SO THE POLICE SUBSTATION IS CALLED OUT HERE. THAT'S WHAT, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER. THAT'S JUST PART OF THE YEAH, THE, AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THAT IS ONE, LIKE IT, SO IT CREATES [04:00:01] WINDOWS. SO MOST PARKING GARAGES, YOU'RE NOT SEEING, THEY DON'T HAVE THE OFFICE SPACE LIKE THAT, BUT, UM, BREAKS IT UP. BUT ALSO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THIS IS A PLACE, UM, THAT THEY CAN GO AND ACCESS PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THEY PROBABLY DO BLUE LIGHT OUTSIDE AND THAT KIND OF THING, ASSUMING THERE'S SOMEONE TO PUT IN THERE. SO THANK YOU. UH, COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON AND COUNCILLOR KINSELLA. YEAH, I THINK THE, FOR ME, THE ISSUE, IT'S NOT THE FACADE. I THINK THE FACADE IS BEAUTIFUL. THE ISSUE IS THE, THE RAW CONCRETE ON THE SIDES. YEAH. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW VISIBLE THOSE ARE GONNA BE. UM, BUT THEY WILL BE SOMEWHAT VISIBLE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT WRAPPING IT IN ROCK IS PROHIBITIVE. I'VE JUST, AND I ACTUALLY THINK A GROUP OF, OF, OF, OF ART PEOPLE, 'CAUSE THERE ARE THINGS I'VE SEEN ON CONCRETE BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST KIND OF ON THE OUTSIDE. THEY'RE KIND OF MAYBE FLOWING FROM ONE CONCRETE BLOCK AREA TO ANOTHER. I DON'T KNOW, VINES AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. AND I'VE, I HAVE A VERY CONVENTIONAL MIND, SO I'M NOT ABLE TO COME UP WITH THAT. BUT I THINK SOME, NOT PARTICULARLY COSTLY, BUT JUST KIND OF DECORATIVE ELEMENT ON THE CONCRETE AREAS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE ARTISTIC THAN I CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS. YES. RIGHT NOW, NOT WITH THE FACADE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY WANTS TO NO FOOL AROUND WITH THAT. AS FAR AS THE, UH, I THINK YOU SAID RAW CONCRETE, I THINK ANDY ADDRESS, IT'S GONNA BE STAINED. WELL, IT, BUT IT LOOK, IT'S STAINED, BUT IT IS JUST A CONCRETE AREA. A PLANE'S CONCRETE AREA. SO WHEN WE BRING THE COST BACK, ALSO WE WILL HAVE ESSENTIALLY A MENU. A WHAT? AND A MENU OF, OF DIFFERENT COSTS. MENU. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION THAT WE ADD BACK IN , BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS THAT COST IS PART OF A DECISION POINT. AND MM-HMM. , YOU CAN IN FACT GO BACK TO THAT WHITE DULL PHOENIX TYPE BUILDING. IN FACT, IF YOU WANT TO SOLVE OUR PARKING NEED, OR YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY TO THE EXTENT OF ADDING BACK IN OUR ROCK FASCIA AND WE'LL PROBABLY LAND SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN IN THE MIDDLE, GOOD WITH LIKELY WITH THIS BASIC FACADE, WITH SOME EXTERIOR ENHANCEMENTS. AND THAT MAY EVEN BE ON THE AREAS THAT IT'S A LARGER AREA OF JUST CONCRETE. AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SIDES WHAT IT'S A BUDDING OR HOW VISIBLE IT WILL BE, BUT LANDSCAPE IS ALSO A WAY MM-HMM. TO SOFTEN SOME OF THAT. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO YEAH, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE LOOKING AND THINKING ABOUT THAT AND, AND HAVE IT HAVE SOME OPTIONS WHEN IT COMES BACK. THANK YOU COUNCILOR KINSELLA. AND THEN COUNCILOR FOLTZ. MY POINTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. COUNCIL COUNCILOR FUL. THANK YOU MAYOR ANDY, I DON'T WANNA REDESIGN THE GARAGE. , I'LL SPARE YOU. UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I REMEMBER HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC DURING THE YEAR AGO PHASE THAT WE WERE IN WAS, GEE, WHAT ABOUT, UM, UTILIZING HYDROPONICS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALONG ADES OF THE BUILDING, HALA WHAT THEY'VE DONE UP IN JACKSON, WYOMING, WHICH I'VE SEEN THAT IT'S PRETTY COOL. UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A COST TO THAT TOO, BUT THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF SUNWISE AND EVERYTHING THAT COULD WORK ALONG THE SIDES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE THERE. IT BECOMES A COMMUNITY GATHERING THING, RIGHT? IT'S ALMOST LIKE A COMMUNITY GARDEN IN A VERTICAL SORT OF WAY. SO DUNNO IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AT ALL REMOTELY REALISTIC, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO AT LEAST, UH, MAKE A RUN AT AND SEE WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT. OKAY. AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THANK YOU RANDY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE HE WRAPS THIS UP? OKAY, LET'S GET BACK TO THE AGENDA. UH, ITEM FIVE, NEW TRAILS COORDINATED POSITION. UM, IS THAT PETE'S? YEP. OKAY, GO FOR IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, I HAVE THOUGHT LONG ABOUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IN TODAY'S SESSION. I CERTAINLY DID HAVE WRITEUP IN THE PACKET AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE ALL READ IT IN DETAIL, . UM, BUT AS I EXPERIENCED TODAY, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION I WANTED TO HAVE ABOUT THIS THAT ECHOES LINES OF WE HAD IN THE URBAN DESIGN CONVERSATION AS WELL. SO LET ME JUST TRY AND SORT OF SHORTCUT. WELL, I'M ALSO PREFACED BY SAYING THAT I THINK MY DESIRED OUTCOME FOR TODAY WAS AGAIN, KIND OF A, COULD WE ALL GET BEHIND SORT OF A REQUEST TO THINK ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET AND, AND WE CONSIDER IT AFTER CITY [04:05:01] MANAGER AND STAFF HAVE GIVEN IT ALL DUE CONSIDERATIONS. SO WHEN I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, AND I SURE, I'M ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT YOU ALL AGREE THAT THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT'S IN AND SURROUNDING SEDONA IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST DRIVER OF OUR ECONOMIC HEALTH, UH, AROUND I THINK EVERYBODY HERE AND EVERYONE THAT COMES HERE EXPERIENCES THE TRAILS IN IT A LITTLE DEGREE OR OR MOST DEGREE. AND SADLY, I THINK, NOT THAT I HAVE THE HISTORY IN MIND, BUT I SUSPECT THE TRAILS HAVE ALWAYS DRIVEN PEOPLE HERE. BUT I, I THINK THAT IF ARTS WAS EVER A BIGGER PART OF OUR ECONOMIC DRIVER, TRAILS HAVE OUTTAKE IT BECAUSE OF CHANGES IN HOW PEOPLE EXPERIENCE LIFE OR WHATEVER IT IS. BUT IT'S A ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL PART OF OUR ECONOMY. WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE GEMS THAT WE HAVE AROUND TOWN AND HOW WE NURTURE AND CARE FOR THEM, THE GEMS, G GEMS, LIKE FOR ME, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M WEIRD THAT WAY, BUT IT'S A CRITICAL THING THAT WE HAVE THAT IF IT DIDN'T EXIST, OUR COMMUNITY WOULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE. AND WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF AND A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT IT. UH, AND, UH, EXCUSE ME, WHILE I LOOK AT MY NOTES AND TRY AND REGAIN MY SPOT HERE. SO, UH, I, I THINK THAT THE ROADWAYS IS ANOTHER GEM THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN, AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE GREAT STAFF WORKING ON IT AND WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO THINK ABOUT IMPROVING IT. WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT ON IT, AND THAT'S WONDERFUL. AND I THINK ABOUT OUR TRAILS THAT IS THAT MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT TO US ECONOMICALLY AND HOW MUCH DEDICATED STAFF OR TIME DO WE HAVE ARE, ARE PUTTING IN IT. AND NOW WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I SAY IS THAT, UH, I AM ABSOLUTELY, UH, THANKFUL AND APPRECIATIVE OF THE EFFORT THAT OUR CITY MANAGER AND THE EXECUTIVE TEAM HAVE WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE COUNTY AND ALL THE FOLKS THAT THEY INTERFACE WITH. AND IT'S NOT TO DETRACT FROM ANY OF THAT WORK. UM, AND COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN, YOU'RE ON THE GSRC AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THAT AND ALL THAT WORK HAPPENS AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL. BUT WHAT I THINK IS LOTS OF THE WORK HAPPENS WHEN THE DOERS ARE TALKING WITH EACH OTHER. SO IT, IT HAPPENS BELOW THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL AND IT, AND I'M INSPIRED REALLY BY OUR, UM, I AM INSPIRED BY OUR, UH, TOURISM BUREAU AND WE HAVE, AND CONTINUE TO ADD, UH, COORDINATORS THAT ACTUALLY DO THE WORK, ACTUALLY ARE WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND FILL IN THE GAPS AND INTERFACING WITH THE EXTERNAL PEOPLE AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ALL DAY EVERY DAY. SAME THING WITH OUR SUSTAINABILITY TEAM. WE HAVE COORDINATORS THAT EXIST IN THAT, IN THAT GROUP, AND THEY WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS. THEY WORK FILL IN THE GAPS. THEY'RE DOING THE WORK, THEY TALKING WITH FOLKS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT TRAILS NEEDS AS WELL IN, IN OUR, IN OUR TOWN. SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S URBAN TRAILS AND THE TRAILS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION, BUT OR WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN OUR JURISDICTION, BUT ALSO THE LARGER PICTURE OF WHAT'S IN THE REGION, WHAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE TO COME HERE. AND THEN BEYOND THAT IS HOW DO WE GET FOLKS TO THINK ABOUT, AND, AND I KNOW ROBERT'S DOING GREAT WORK ABOUT THE SHUTTLE SYSTEM, BUT THERE'S A LARGER SORT OF EFFORT HERE THAT HAPPENS ABOUT COORDINATING WITH ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN, IN THE PICTURE. UH, AND YOU KNOW, TWO PHRASES, UH, ALWAYS EXIST IN MY MIND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT. IF IT'S EVERYBODY'S JOB, IT'S NOBODY'S JOB. AND IF IT'S NOBODY'S JOB, IT'S NOBODY'S JOB. AND SO IT'S THIS COORDINATOR LEVEL WORK IS WHERE LOTS OF THE RELATIONSHIPS GET BUILT, AND WE WORK WITH FOLKS IN THE FOREST SERVICE SO WHEN THEY NEED SOMETHING, THEY KNOW WHO TO CALL AND WE KNOW WHO TO CALL. AND WHEN WE WORK WITH ALL THE GROUPS THAT ARE IN TOWN, UH, I TRIED TO LIST THEM OUT IN, IN THE PACKET ABOUT THE NONPROFIT GROUPS AND THE GREAT CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT AROUND HERE ABOUT WORKING ON THE TRAILS. IT'S INTERFACING WITH THOSE GROUPS AS WELL. I THINK PARTICULARLY THERE'S TWO ELEMENTS THAT ARE MOVING IN THE FUTURE THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT. AND THAT'S WHEN GSRC PIVOTS TO THE LARGER RECREATION AREA. AND OF COURSE WE'LL BE [04:10:01] ENGAGING WITH FOREST SERVICE AND OTHERS AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL, BUT THERE'S THE DOER LEVEL, BUT WE'RE LOTS OF REAL CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN AND WE'RE, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE DESIGNATED TO BE THAT PERSON AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE MISS. AND THEN THE FOREST SERVICE WAS ALSO AN OUTCOME. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO GSRC PLAN, BUT THERE IS THE TRAILS PLAN. WE'RE AT THE LAST PHASE OF IT. THE NEXT PHASE PEOPLE ARE GONNA START TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS THAT NEXT PHASE OF TRAILS. AND THERE'S SOME AMAZING WORK THAT HAVE HAVE HAPPENED. YOU TALK ABOUT THIS GREAT BIG VERDE VALLEY PERIMETER TRAIL AND IT'S, I THINK IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT THING AND IT'LL MOVE SOME IN THESE NEXT YEARS, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE PLANNED. AND SEDONA HAS TO BE THINKING AND TO BE THOUGHT OF AT THE FUTURE WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE FOR OUR NEEDS AND OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR ECONOMY. SO I HAD A GREAT JOURNEY TALKING WITH PEOPLE OVER MANY WEEKS ABOUT THIS, UM, THIS IDEA AND A LOT OF SUPPORT. AND I WAS COMPLETELY IMPRESSED WITH, UM, THE PRESCOTT TRAILS COORDINATOR, CHRIS, I FORGET HIS LAST NAME, I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN HO I CAN'T EVEN READ MY OWN WRITING THESE DAYS. BUT, UH, HE, HE STARTED AT A VERY, PRESCOTT STARTED AT A VERY MINIMAL, UH, AMOUNT OF TRAIL THINGS THAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT AND DID. AND OVER TIME IT'S BUILT AMAZING. PRESCOTT HAS REALLY, UM, MADE A MARK IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING AROUND TRAILS. UM, BUT MY JOURNEY WOULD SURELY HAVE BEEN CUT SHORTER IF ONLY AFTER I SUBMITTED MY LANGUAGE FOR THE PACKET DID I, SOMEBODY CALLED MY ATTENTION TO PAGE 28 IN OUR GO SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN WITH STRATEGY 35. I DON'T KNOW IF 35 IS THE NUMBER OF A STRATEGY ESTABLISHING THE CITY BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN PROGRAM. AND THE WORDS ARE, THE CITY HAS NEVER HAD A DEDICATED PROGRAM OR STAFF FOCUSED ON BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN ISSUES. AND THEN B STRATEGY CREATE A CITY BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN COORDINATOR POSITION. AND I'LL READ FROM THAT TOO. A COORDINATOR WOULD BE DEDICATED TO ENSURING THAT ALL STRATEGIES ARE PURSUED FROM PROGRAMS AND POLICIES TO PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS. THE POSITION WOULD COORDINATE WITH VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS, SERVE AS A LIAISON WITH RESIDENTS, AGENCIES, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, THE ADVISOR GROUP, AND BUSINESSES PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHAT I TRIED TO SAY, BUT MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY AND, AND A LOT LESS WORDS . SO THAT'S KIND OF MY IDEA THAT WE, WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ACTIVITY IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST FOR OUR VISITORS OF COURSE, PRIMARILY FOR OUR RESIDENTS. I DO HAVE AN ORIENTATION THAT SAYS IF WE THINK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND WE MAKE IT THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD TO LIVE, TO WORK AND TO RAISE A FAMILY, WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MARKETING FOR TOURISM. THE TOURISTS WILL COME HERE, THEY'LL GET, WE WILL BE KNOWN. THE RED ROCKS WILL ALWAYS EXIST. PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME FOR THAT REASON. AND IF, AND IF WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON OUR COMMUNITY FOR, AS, FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE TRAILS PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE I WANTED TO START, MAYOR. OKAY. BEFORE WE GO FOR QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM ANDY OR KAREN. WE DO HAVE A BIKE COORDINATOR. WE HAD A BIKE COORDINATOR. HE, UH, UH, DOUG COP AND DIDN'T HE RETIRE FROM OUR SERVICES? WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED WHAT COUNCIL, UH, FURMAN'S TALKING ABOUT? HE HE DID. AND UM, ANDY HAS ACTUALLY RECENTLY SUCCESSFULLY RECRUITED TWO INDIVIDUALS TO BE BIKE HEAD COORDINATORS ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS. SO WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS LIMITED TO THEIR AVAILABILITY, THEIR WILLINGNESS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT OUR RESPONSE TO COUNSELOR FURMAN'S PROPOSAL REALLY WAS GOING BACK TO THE GO PLAN AND REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT THE NEEDS ARE RELATIVE TO THE STEPS PROGRAM AND OUR CREATION OF THIS URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM BEING MUCH LESS FOCUSED ON TRYING TO COORDINATE OR LIAISON WITH THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON THE FOREST. MAYBE THEY WOULD, THIS TYPE OF POSITION PERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO COORDINATE TO THE EXTENT THAT THE SHARED USE PATHS CONNECT AT CERTAIN LOCATIONS TO THE FOREST, BUT NOT SO MUCH TRAIL PLANNING SORT OF [04:15:01] OUTSIDE OF OUR URBAN SYSTEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE. THERE ARE A BUNCH OF THINGS IN HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TASKS AND ANDY COULD GET MORE GRANULAR ON THAT IF HE NEEDED TO ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE LIKE THAT COULD DO. I WOULD DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE LEVEL OF PERSON POSITION NEEDED TO DO THE INTERACTION WITH A-G-S-R-C OR A FOREST. THE REASON THAT THE MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE US FOREST SERVICE INCLUDE ME, ANDY, ROBERT, AND LAUREN IS BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS THE LEVEL THAT WE NEED WHEN WE'RE MEETING WITH AMY AND HER TEAM. ROBERT WOULD ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE IN ANY AND EVERY CONVERSATION RELATIVE TO TRANSIT, UM, AND THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. BUT IT, IT'S REALLY REPRESENTING THE CITY WITH EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS IS NOT ALWAYS APPROPRIATE TO BE THE ROLE OF A COORDINATOR. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK ON EVERY SINGLE THING TO ANDY OR TO MYSELF OR TO ROBERT AND, AND GET DIRECTION, I THINK, UM, ON THAT. SO YOU LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ORGANIZATION FOR THOSE INTERACTIONS, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, LIKE THE, I THINK THE DIFFERENTIATOR, AND I DON'T IF I MAY, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A DIFFERENTIATION AND PERHAPS I'M NOT MAKING MYSELF CLEAR, THAT LEVEL OF CONVERSATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THAT CONVERSATION. IT'S WHEN YOU LEAVE THOSE MEETINGS AND YOU GO BACK TO YOUR ORGANIZATIONS AND THEN THINGS TRICKLE DOWN TO THE STAFF. IT'S, IT'S A PERSON EXISTS IN OUR CITY AND, AND, UH, IN THE FOREST SERVICE THAT ACTUALLY THEN STARTS TO, WHAT DID THEY SAY IN THE MEETING? WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? AND THEY ACTUALLY START TAKING THE ACTIONS AND IT'S THAT CONVERSATION AT THAT LEVEL THEN THAT IS, OH, NOW I UNDERSTAND. TELL ME MORE WHAT THAT MEANT. RIGHT. THOSE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN ENTITIES HAPPEN EVERY DAY AND THEY NEED TO HAPPEN, BUT THEN THE REPRESENTATION, THE DIRECTION IS SET AT THE LEVEL, THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT ARE HAPPENING. BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHEN THAT FOREST SERVICE TRAIL PERSON DOESN'T, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CALL YOU. THEY'RE NOT GONNA CALL ANDY. THEY DO. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S, THEY DO, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF CONVERSATION. OKAY. BUT I, I'M JUST, AND I, NO, I UNDERSTAND. PERHAPS WE HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT HOW THE WORLD WORKS, BUT I'M A PRETTY REALIST HERE AND I KNOW HOW THINGS GET DONE AND, AND YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF COURSE. AND THEY'RE IMPORTANT AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I, BELIEVE ME, I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOUR, YOUR, UH, ASKING FOR THIS, UH, ITEM TO BE ON THE AGENDA. I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK YOU'RE AWARE THAT, UH, OF WHAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE CITY MANAGER, UH, MELISSA HAS TAKEN THE LEAD FOR US TO BE ON THE GSRC AND HAS BEEN DOING A FABULOUS JOB AND HAS REALLY ASSIMILATED WITH THAT GROUP. AND THAT'S NOT THE LEVEL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S AGAIN, HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, MELISSA'S A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE FOR ME AND HAS BEEN AND DOING A GREAT JOB. I AM ALSO, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THE, UH, RANGER LEVEL, UH, RANGER, TINDER, HOLT AND I COMMUNICATE AT AT LEAST EVERY OTHER WEEK, IF NOT EVERY WEEK, ON DIFFERENT THINGS. AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE LEVEL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE WE GO TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO TALK, UH, I TO GET SOME, I HAD THE CLARIFICATION I NEEDED. SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS SIDE? RIGHT MELISSA? SO WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE JOB DESCRIPTION THAT YOU BELIEVE IS ENGAGED. I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THE, UM, THE BIKE PED COORDINATOR, IF YOU ADDED BIKE PED TRAILS COORDINATOR WOULD BE THE ROLE THAT YOU, YOU WERE SUGGESTING HERE IS, IS THAT, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? I, I, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I WOULD LEAVE PERHAPS MORE OPEN THAN I THINK KAREN EXPRESSED THAT THERE'S ROOT WORK TO DO IN INTERFACING BEYOND JUST THE URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM, THAT WE DO HAVE A ROLE IN THE, IN A LARGER ROLE IN THE REGIONAL TRAIL SYSTEM. OKAY. SO, SO LET'S JUST ASSUME THAT OVER TIME THINGS WOULD MORPH FOR CHANGE AS IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THAT STATEMENT IS TRUE. MY QUESTION THEN BACK TO CITY MANAGER OR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, UM, IS DID I, AM I, HOW AM I [04:20:01] TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID? SO YOU'VE GOT TWO VOLUNTEERS. WE KNOW THAT VOLUNTEERS ARE NOT AS RELIABLE, SHALL WE SAY, NOT AS COMMITTED AS PEOPLE WHO THAT'S THEIR PAYING ROLE. UM, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT PAID ROLE FILLED? ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE TWO VOLUNTEERS ARE SUFFICIENT TO WHAT THE NEEDS ARE GOING FORWARD? I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR, YOUR THINKING IS. 'CAUSE I'M, I THINK I HEARD TWO THINGS, SO TRY TO TAKE THAT. SO I, I THINK IT'S GREAT WHAT ANDY'S TRYING TO DO WITH THE TWO VOLUNTEERS, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME HEADWAY THERE, UM, ON BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO, A FULL-TIME PERSON WHO COULD DO THE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE PACKET, LIKE WORK ON THE SIGNAGE AND THE EDUCATION AND THE MAPS AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS FOR OUR URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM, PRIMARILY NOT TO SAY THERE WOULDN'T BE OTHER COORDINATION THEY COULD DO, WILL BE NECESSARY AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT THE SYSTEM. SO WHETHER THAT'S FISCAL YEAR 25, OR WHETHER THAT'S FISCAL YEAR 26, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE GO PLAN AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE MAKING GREAT PROGRESS IN CREATING THE SUVS AND STARTING TO MAKE CONNECTIONS, UH, THAT EVENTUALLY, LIKE WE WILL BENEFIT FROM A POSITION LIKE THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL OF THE COORDINATION OR, OR REGIONAL DIALOGUE OR THAT WOULD THAT, THAT THIS PERSON WOULD HAVE BEYOND THAT, BUT I'D IMAGINE THAT WITH ANY NEW POSITION THAT THINGS EVOLVE AND, AND, AND GROW AND THERE COULD BE BENEFIT IN HAVING SOME OF THAT. BUT I, I THINK OUR PRIMARY, UM, GOAL WITH ADDING A POSITION LIKE THIS WOULD BE TO REALLY TAKE OWNERSHIP OF, OF OUR URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM. SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO COUNCILOR FURMAN. IT, IT SEEMS TO ME, AND, AND AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING, IF WE WERE TO SEE THIS ROLE AS CURRENTLY DEFINED, SHOW UP IN A, UH, BUDGET REQUEST TO MAKE THIS A FULL-TIME POSITION AND START WORKING ON PROJECTS THAT ARE AROUND THE URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM, UNDERSTANDING THAT LIKE WE MAY AT AT LEAST STARTING OUT ALSO HAVE SOME SIGNAGE OR WHATEVER THAT CONNECTS INTO WHERE WE'RE DOING OUR DROP-OFF POINTS FOR, UH, TRAIL SHUTTLES, FOR INSTANCE, UM, WHICH STARTS TO MOVE US INTO THAT DIRECTION OF HOW ARE WE ENGAGED WITH THE FOREST SERVICE TRAILS. UM, WOULD THAT BE SUFFICIENT TO WHAT IT IS YOU'RE THINKING, UNDERSTANDING IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED FOR, BUT OVER TIME IT COULD MORPH INTO THAT. AS YOU KNOW, UH, LAUREN, THE CITY MANAGER, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS TRUST THIS INDIVIDUAL TO DO MORE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MORE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO LIGHT BY THE OWNERS OF THOSE FACILITIES LIKE THE FOREST SERVICE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. DID THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? IT DID MAKE SENSE. AND YES, I THINK ANY STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IS A START. AND IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT START. AND I THINK MOVING BEYOND THE VOLUNTEERS TO HELP US COORDINATE THIS ACTIVITY IS IMPORTANT. TAKING OWNERSHIP. OKAY. MELISSA, ARE YOU DONE? I'M, THANK YOU. UH, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, QUESTION EITHER TO COUNCILOR FURMAN OR CITY MANAGER? PROBABLY BOTH. REALLY. WHAT, WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH ON THIS REQUEST IS WHAT IS THE GAP? MM-HMM. LIKE, CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE GIVE ME EXPLICIT EXAMPLES OF WHAT IS THE GAP FOR WHICH THIS ROLE WOULD FILL? 'CAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE IT. GOOD. WHY? SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR . WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CITY MANAGER FIRST AND THEN, BUT THEN PETE, SO IN YOUR PACKET, I'M GONNA ASK ANDY TO ELABORATE ON THESE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE SAID THAT ONCE YOU HAVE ENOUGH OF A URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM BUILT, THINGS LIKE DEVELOPING MAPS, HELPING TO, ONCE YOU HAVE THE FOUNDATIONAL LEGS, HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE OTHER STRATEGIC CONNECTIONS, UM, EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ON THE AVAILABILITY AND THE USE AND THE PROMOTION AND POTENTIALLY EVENTS [04:25:01] OR ACTIVITIES ALIGNED WITH THAT? UM, IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE GO PLAN THAT EVENTUALLY, IF WE'RE FOCUSED ON MULTIMODAL, AND AGAIN, THIS IS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MORE FOCUSED WITHIN THE CITY AND WITHIN THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO CREATE ADDITIONAL BIKES, BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES AND USE AND PROMOTION OF THAT USE, THIS IS WHAT THIS PERSON WOULD BE FOCUSED ON. SO I, BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S A GAP RELATED TO THAT CURRENTLY. I MEAN, STAFF'S ALREADY DOING THOSE THINGS TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE NECESSARY. RIGHT. SO, YEAH, IF, IF I COULD, UM, JUMP IN A LITTLE BIT. THERE'S A NEED FOR SOMEONE AND, AND IT'S ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COUNSELOR, UM, FULLMAN IS THAT WHAT FULLMAN, THIS IS GETTING REALLY CONFUSING. SORRY. , UM, COUNSELOR FURMAN. IT, IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HE WAS DESCRIBING WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD VERY RECENTLY A COUPLE OF SITUATIONS WHERE IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN MY MIND THAT WE NEED SOMEONE WHO THINKS ABOUT THIS SYSTEM ALREADY. AND, AND THIS WAS A, A POSITION I THINK THAT MANY OF US EXPECTED TO BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE. AT SOME POINT, WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT POINT THAT WOULD BE. AND JUST TO GIVE A REAL QUICK EXAMPLE, I HAD SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY ASK A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF OUR ROUTES RECENTLY. I WENT OUT AND STARTED LOOKING AT IT. I BROUGHT IN THE VOLUNTEERS TO LOOK AT IT. THEY GAVE ME A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THINGS, AND IT TURNED INTO NOT A CAPITAL PROJECT, BUT A WHOLE PROJECT IN ITSELF. AND THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE CALLED MY ATTENTION TO SOMETHING. WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE RIGHT NOW THAT ACTS IN A ROLE THAT FOCUSES ON THIS KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, WE GO OUT, WE DO PROJECTS, AND ONCE A YEAR WE WILL LOOK AT WHAT DO OUR PRIORITIES LOOK LIKE. BUT I, I CAN TELL YOU IF I'M ABLE TO FOCUS AND ACTUALLY DEVOTE LIKE TIME DIRECTLY TO THIS TOPIC, QUICKLY, THINGS START TO COME OUT. AND WE NEED TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS. BUT WHEN WE'RE SO FOCUSED ON SIM AND THESE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT, THAT ARE REALLY CONSIDERED A HIGHER PRIORITY, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEVOTE SPECIFICALLY TO FOCUSING IN THIS AREA. UM, SO WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT CAN DO THAT. SOMEBODY THAT ALSO COULD, COULD MANAGE AND SUPERVISE THESE VOLUNTEERS THAT RIGHT NOW THAT'S ON ME. UM, WHILE I SAW THE NEED AND TOOK IT ON, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE DOING IT, REALLY. UM, ANOTHER QUICK EXAMPLE I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT, I CAN'T REMEMBER, UM, IS LIKE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL. WE ALWAYS HAVE A BOOTH THERE. THAT'S QUITE A COORDINATION EFFORT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE OUR MERCHANDISE IS, IS FULLY, UM, UP TO SPEED AND COORDINATING ALL THE VOLUNTEERS THAT GO INTO THAT AND COORDINATING WITH THE EVENT ITSELF. POSSIBLE FUTURE EVENTS. WE'VE, WE USED TO HAVE A, A MAYOR, UM, RIDE WITH THE MAYOR EVENT. IT WAS, UH, SUPPOSED TO BE AN ANNUAL EVENT THAT LASTED FOR TWO YEARS. , I'VE, I'VE THOUGHT IT'D BE GREAT TO BRING THAT BACK, FOR INSTANCE. UM, THERE, THERE'S A LOT, I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THAT THIS PERSON COULD BE DOING. AND I THINK IT WAS REALLY COUNSELOR, UH, FURMAN BRINGING OUT THE IDEA THAT WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE GO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S TIME. WE'VE GOT, BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE SHOULD HAVE EIGHT MILES OF SHARED USE PATH BUILT. AND WE'RE MOVING FASTER AND FASTER INTO THAT. SO BEFORE YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS WE HAVE PROGRAMMED AND SAYING, ARE THESE IN THE CORRECT PRIORITY? WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING? AND THEN BEYOND CAPITAL, THERE'S A GROWING NEED FOR MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WITH THE, WITH THE VOLUNTEERS, I'M LOOKING AT THEM DEVELOPING, UH, BASICALLY IT WOULD BE LIKE ADOPT, ADOPT THE TRAIL KIND OF SITUATION WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE INSPECTION SHEETS AND THERE WOULD BE CERTAIN VOLUNTEERS THAT WOULD PERIODICALLY BE INSPECTING THESE TRAILS AND REPORTING BACK NEEDS FOR MAINTENANCE AND STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED. AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE AT THE CMMO LEVEL. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS. COUNCILOR FURMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, I LOVE THAT WEIGH SOUNDS AWESOME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ON MY QUESTION, CAN [04:30:01] YOU WEIGH IN ON MY QUESTION, COUNCILLOR FURMAN, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WHAT ANDY'S TALKING ABOUT. IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? NO, NO, IT ACTUALLY MAKES MORE SENSE. SO ANY ATTENTION IN THIS AREA STARTS TO FOCUS, RIGHT? ANDY SAYS, OH, YEAH. AND THEN I START TO THINK ABOUT IT AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS POP UP. ANY ATTENTION IN THIS AREA IS, IS THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S HAPPENING HAPPENSTANCE. IT'S NOBODY'S PARTICULAR JOB. IT'S AD HOC. WELL, AND, AND IT'S BEEN MOVING, IT'S FINE. BUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE TRAILS TO THIS COMMUNITY IS HUGE. WE KNOW, AND IT COULD BE EVEN MORE SO, RIGHT? SO LET ME ASK THAT QUESTION. HOLD ON. I, I, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION IT FROM ANDY. IS NOW THE TIME FOR THAT OR MAYBE A YEAR FROM NOW? I MEAN, IT'S CLOSE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S CLOSE. 'CAUSE YOU SAID YOU'RE SEEING IT. WELL, THE REALITY IS WHEN WE SAY NOW WE'RE TALKING JULY, SO IT WOULD BE IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, I THINK NOW IS THE TIME. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF POSITIONS. A BUNCH OF POSITIONS, YES. SO IT'S REALLY GONNA BE A MATTER OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE SUPPORT IN THE COMING YEAR. AND THAT WILL BE CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH SHERRY AND HER TEAM AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKS AT THE FORECAST AND HOW ARE WE DOING WHEN WE'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS. THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDED BUDGET NEEDS TO BE DONE BY MARCH. SO I WILL STILL BE HERE. UM, AND IF WE CAN'T SUPPORT ALL OF THESE POSITIONS IN ONE FELL SWOOP IN ONE YEAR, WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE. SO THIS MAY NOT BE A 25, IT MAY BE A 26 MM-HMM. , JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT WE CAN LIKE ONLY TAKE ON SO MANY NEW STAFF PEOPLE AT ONCE. BUT IT'S ON THE HORIZON. BUT, BUT I THINK HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND PUTTING IT ON THE RADAR AND SORT OF UNDERSTANDING THAT AS WE BUILD A, A BIKE AND PED FRIENDLY COMMUNITY, SOMEONE IN A ROLE THAT WOULD BE, WOULD OWN THAT, WOULD, WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. BRIAN, ARE YOU DONE? NO. OKAY. SO, UH, FINISH, I, I I MEAN, I'M NOT CONVINCED I CAN EITHER FOR THE CITY ORIENTED OR THE TRAIL ORIENTED, I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT THE NEED IS THERE. I, AND NOT TO BE INSULTING, BUT THIS FEELS LIKE A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM, UM, IS THE WAY THAT, THAT I PERCEIVE THIS AND I MAY WELL BE WRONG AND A YEAR FROM NOW I MAY BE SAYING BRING IT ON. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I JUST DO NOT SEE THIS. I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT HEADCOUNT ADS AS THE CITY MANAGER JUST BROUGHT UP. AND TO ME, THIS IS BOTTOM OF THE LIST, UH, AT BEST, UM, COMPARED TO WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER ASKS ARE THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING IN DECISION PACKAGES. SO, THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW, KATHY, THANK YOU. UM, I THINK COUNSELOR FULMAN THE FIRST, UM, REALLY DESCRIBE THIS. WELL, I, I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THIS POSITION, BECAUSE I'M HEARING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I'M HEARING A DESCRIPTION IN THE REQUEST THAT CAME FORWARD REGARDING TRAILS, WHICH ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY JURISDICTION, WHICH I'LL GET TO BACK FOR A SECOND. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT A REASON TO NOT DO IT. BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS CONSIDERATION VERSUS OUR INNER CITY URBAN SIDEWALK PATHWAY SYSTEM. I, I, I, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, AND I'M STRUGGLING TO SUPPORT THIS AS A STAFF POSITION AT THE MOMENT. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CURRENTLY FITS IN. UM, IF THIS WAS A STAFF POSITION, WOULDN'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER THE TRAILS. 'CAUSE YOU DO, EVEN THOUGH THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN A WIDER TERM, WHEN IT COMES BACK TO THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE MAKING COUNSELOR, YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO THE TRAILS. SO I I, I THINK THAT WE ARE ON VERY DIFFERENT PAGES IN TERMS OF THIS. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS PREMATURE. IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT TO ME NOW. UM, IF THERE WAS A, FOR A TRAIL POSITION, WHICH IS WHAT IN FRONT OF US, LIKE A JOINT PROPOSAL COMING OUT OF, YOU KNOW, FOREST SERVICE AND TRAIL KEEPERS AND YOU KNOW, THE CITY AND WHOEVER ELSE FOR FUNDING TOWARD A POSITION. 'CAUSE IT WAS NECESSARY TO DO X, Y, Z. THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER US KICKING INTO. BUT FOR US TO CREATE A POSITION THAT'S NOT GONNA HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THE TRAILS, WHICH IS YOUR PRIMARY CONCERN, AS I HEARD IT OR AS IT WAS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED, YOU MAY HAVE CHANGED TACTICS NOW, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT WAS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED. [04:35:01] BUT, UM, I, I CAN'T SEE THAT. UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT POSITION IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS THE, AS THE SUVS, WHICH I THINK WILL MORE MORPH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SPECIFICS NEEDS HERE. AND AGAIN, I AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID. WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POSITIONS THAT ARE GOING. I MEAN, EVERY DEPARTMENT WOULD LOVE TO PUT FORTH A PROPOSAL. I'M SURE, KAREN, YOU GET THIS PRESSURE ALL THE TIME. GIMME ANOTHER PERSON. I NEED ANOTHER SET OF HANDS. I NEED ANOTHER SET OF EYES. I NEED WHATEVER. WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND SELECTIVE IN HOW WE GROW STAFF WHEN WE'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. IS THIS, AT THIS TIME, THE RIGHT PLACE AND THE RIGHT NEED TO GROW STAFF? AS OF THE MOMENT, I'M NOT CONVINCED. SO AGAIN, I, I NEED MORE CLARITY HERE. I SEE THIS AGAIN AS AN OUT YEAR SORT OF ISSUE FOR DISCUSSION. UM, IF IT COMES FORWARD THAT WAY, AGAIN, FROM, FROM A STAFF DEFINED NEED PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU JESSICA. YEAH, I, UM, I, I DON'T, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT, UM, ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE TRAILS COORDINATOR IN SO FAR AS IT HAS TO DO WITH THE NATIONAL FOREST TRAILS. UM, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT ANDY IS SAYING, WHICH IS SORT OF AN INHERENT PROBLEM, WHICH IS IF SOMETHING COMES TO YOU, WE FEEL WE HAVE TO SOLVE IT. IT MAY BE THAT WE CAN'T SOLVE EVERYTHING THAT'S BROUGHT IN FRONT OF US. UM, BUT I, I WOULD REALLY LOOK TO STAFF, TO KAREN TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE RELATIVE NEEDS FOR THESE VARIOUS THINGS AND WHETHER SOMETHING CONTRACTED OUT MIGHT, MIGHT BE A BETTER FIT FOR THIS, WHICH IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE, IT CERTAINLY MIGHT BE SOMEONE YOU CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE TO DO A, DO A CHECKLIST, YOU KNOW, AND DO A ROUND OF OF, OF THAT. SO I'M NOT SURE, THIS IS ON THE, ON THE OTHER HAND, I REALLY, IF WE'RE, IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO ALTERNATELY USE THESE PATHWAYS IN AN AGGRESSIVE AND PROACTIVE WAY, HAVING SOMEONE PUSHING THAT IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE, IN TERMS OF ENHANCEMENTS, IN TERMS OF, UM, CREATING PERHAPS EVENTS AROUND SHARED USE PATHS IN UM, EVENT, THEN YOU DO NEED A PERSON. SO I THINK IF WE WANNA, I AM, I AM ACTUALLY FAIRLY CONVINCED THAT AT SOME POINT GETTING SOMEONE ON BOARD WHO CAN PUSH THE MULTIMODAL IN A VERY REAL, ON THE GROUND SENSE, IT COULD BE PRETTY USEFUL. UM, I'M NOT SURE NOW'S THE TIME, PARTICULARLY SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING ON SO MANY NEW PEOPLE FOR THE TOURISM BUREAU AND MY PET PROJECTS. SO I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, I REALLY THINK THAT I DO UNDERSTAND THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A POSITION LIKE THAT BOTH IN TERMS OF RELIEVING ANDY, UH, OF, OF THE, OF HAVING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS. 'CAUSE HE'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA PUT IT ON ITS STAFF WHO'S TRYING TO ACTUALLY PRODUCE THE PROJECTS. AND, AND IN TERMS OF, OF KIND OF COORDINATING THE, THE USE OF THE PATH. SO CAN I MAYBE MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION HERE? OF COURSE. SO THE PROJECT THAT I SPOKE OF IS, IT INCLUDES MAINTENANCE, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES, SO IF YOU LOOK AT POSSE GROUND PARK IN RELATION TO THE SANBORN THUNDER MOUNTAIN PROJECT. MM-HMM. . THOSE ARE KIND OF LIKE PIECES THAT EXIST THAT ARE NOT REALLY CONNECTED TOGETHER. AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT P***Y GROUND, I'M, I'M REALLY MORE TALKING ABOUT THE PARK AND RIDE THAT'S THERE THAT HAS A SHARED USE PATH THAT LINKS INTO IT. AND THERE'S SIGNAGE THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIOSKS NOW WE HAVE SIGNAGE THAT RELATE THAT TELLS A PERSON YOU'RE HERE AND THEN RELATES TO THEM WHERE THE SHARED USE PATHS ARE. MM-HMM. . WELL THO OUR SYSTEMS ARE, ARE MO ARE CHANGING SO QUICKLY THAT THE SIGNAGE THAT THERE, THAT'S THERE DOESN'T REALLY INDICATE ANY OTHER NEW SHARED USE PATHS. SO NOW WE NEED THAT SIGNAGE UPDATED, WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO A CONSULTANT TO GET THAT SIGN UPDATED. WE NEED ADDITIONAL STRIPING TO IDENTIFY FROM THE PARK TO THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WHOLE WINDING TRAIL. THERE'S [04:40:01] SIGNAGE, THERE'S STRIPING, THERE'S ALL THIS NEW STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE ORDERED THROUGH OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, THROUGH CONTRACTORS, THROUGH, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH THAT'S GOING INTO THAT. I MADE IT SOUND LIKE A QUICK, SIMPLE THING AND IT REALLY ISN'T. AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. IT'S, IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE OF A NEED. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, STREET FURNITURE AND, YOU KNOW, AMENITIES ALONG THE TRAILS. WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN INTO THAT YET. MM-HMM. , THAT'S A WHOLE THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO OUT AND IDENTIFY LOCATIONS, GET THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH DONE, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. OUR STAFF DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT CAN COORDINATE THAT. THEN BEYOND THAT, SPEAKING TO WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN WAS, UH, ALLUDING TO, WE ALSO NEED SOMEBODY THAT CAN CO CAN COORDINATE WITH THE FOREST BECAUSE THESE TRAILS ARE EVENTUALLY GOING TO LINK INTO THESE URBAN TRAILS. I MEAN, ARE GONNA LINK INTO THE FOREST TRAILS. WE DO NEED SOMEBODY THAT CAN COORDINATE THAT AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TIME FOR THAT EITHER RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. UM, THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE OUR CONTRACT THAT COMES UP PERIODICALLY. WE JUST APPROVED IT A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE WE'RE PAYING, UH, SUPPLEMENTING THE FOREST SERVICE TO DO WORK ON THE TRAILS. PART OF THAT IS IDENTIFYING WHAT WE WANT THEM TO WORK ON. WE HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO REALLY GET VERY INVOLVED IN GUIDING THEM AND DIRECTING THEM ON WHAT WE WANT THAT TO BE. A PERSON LIKE THIS COULD REALLY FOCUS ON THAT. SO I JUST WANNA THROW THAT OUT. WELL, THAT'S REALLY USEFUL. BUT, AND THEN THAT BRINGS TO MIND FOR ME, THE, AN ISSUE WHICH WE'VE ACTUALLY NEVER ADDRESSED WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD IN ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, WHICH IS BUILDING THEM, IS JUST STEP ONE . AND WHEN WE GO INTO BUILDING THEM, WE ALMOST NEVER ASK WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE ONGOING STAFF NEEDS IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THESE. UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, I LOOK AT THAT, I LOOK AT THE GARAGE WITH YOUR NEEDED FOR YOUR FOUR MAINTENANCE PEOPLE AND 17 THIS IS AND THAT. SO, UM, I, I THINK AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO CREATE PROJECTS, WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT, ME HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THERE WILL EITHER IMMEDIATELY OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER BE HEADCOUNT NEEDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND SO I THINK ONCE I THINK HAVING BUILT THE SHARED USE PATHS, WE HAVE ACTUALLY A RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE FUNCTION AND ARE MAINTAINED AND ARE KEPT UP. 'CAUSE ALL OF US KNOW NOTHING IS MORE FRUSTRATING THAN AN OUT OF DATE DIRECTIONAL SIGN WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE IN A NEW CITY AND IT'S A, OH WELL, WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO CHANGING THAT YET. THAT IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR. SO YOU HAVE REALLY IMPRESSED UPON ME THE NEED FOR, FOR A PERSON TO DO THIS. AND I I WAS NOT PREDISPOSED TO THINKING THIS WAS A PERSON. AND IF YOU THINK IT'S RIGHT NOW, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHAT WE WANNA DO AND NOT DO IN TERMS OF WHAT WE, WHEN WE SEE A, A DECISION PACKAGE COMING FORTH. UM, BUT I AM PERSUADED THAT EVERY THAT PROJECTS ARE GONNA COME WITH HEADCOUNT. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE PROCEED AND WHAT OUR ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT, AND I GUESS THIS IS HOW GOVERNMENTS GROW. . OKAY. KATHY, WERE YOU OFF? NO, I WAS. OKAY. GOOD VICE MAYOR. SO I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE TRAILS COORDINATOR POSITION. I DO UNDERSTAND THIS POSITION. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN JUST TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, ALL DECISION PACKAGES HAVE ONGOING COSTS IN THEM. I KNOW. SO WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS. WE, THEY HAVE ONE TIME COST AND ONGOING COSTS. SO IN EVALUATING DECISION PACKAGES, WE ARE EVALUATING THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR THEM. UH, MY VIEW IS RACK AND STACK WHAT YOU NEED, RIGHT. AND COME TO US. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WITH DECISION PACKAGES THAT WE'LL HAVE TO RACK AND STACK OURSELVES. YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU NEED THIS IN 25 OR 26, YOU TELL US AND THEN WHERE IT FITS WITHIN EVERYTHING ELSE YOU NEED. AND THEN [04:45:01] WE, WE'LL MAKE A DECISION DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. MM-HMM. . SO EVEN IF YOU WERE TO DO IT NEXT YEAR, DO YOU SEE THIS AS A FULL-TIME OR PART-TIME POSITION TO START OFF WITH TO, TO EASE INTO IT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND COUNCILOR, UH, PETE AND HIS DESIRES, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE POINT OF BEING A TRAILS COORDINATOR, BUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ANDY MENTIONED. I GET IT. AND IF WE EASE INTO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE SEE THE NEED, LIKE YOU SAID, A STEP, A STEP AT A TIME. RIGHT. LET ME JUST TRY TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION. WHEN I SAY TRAILS, I DON'T JUST MEAN MY MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS, FOOT TRAILS OUT AROUND I, WHEN I SAY TRAILS, I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL THE URBAN TRAILS AS WELL. TRAILS IS JUST MY WORD FOR ROAD BIKE, TRAILS, THE SUVS, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN TOWN THAT ATTRACTS OUR VISITORS AND OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THAT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY I READ IN THE, THE, UH, ITEM HERE. AND ANDY, YOU REALLY SWAYED ME WITH A LOT OF THE ADDITIONAL THINGS NEEDED, BUT SIGNS IS THAT A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, YOU DO SIGNS, YOU GONNA GO TO SOMETHING ELSE, YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING ELSE, YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING ELSE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FULL-TIME POSITION. OH NO, IT YET THAT'S SMALL. THAT, THAT IS JUST A, A SMALL PART OF WHAT DO I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, JUST TO GIVE ANOTHER IDEA OF, OF SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, YOU KNOW, WE IMPLEMENTED THE FIRST GREEN LANES, BIKE LANES RIGHT. IN, UH, ADOT JURISDICTION WAS HERE IN SEDONA. UM, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT AND IMPLEMENT THAT THROUGHOUT OUR URBAN TRAIL NETWORK. WE HAVE NOT EVEN BEGUN TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING. WHEN I WAS STARTING TO FOCUS ON THIS AREA, I WAS LIKE, OH GOSH, WE NEED TO DO THAT. AND, UM, THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NEEDED RIGHT NOW AND, AND HELPFUL TO HAVE IT. AND, AND I GET THAT AND I'M GONNA BE STRUGGLING WHEN WE COME TO THE BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THIS IS THE TIME NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR IT ISN'T. RIGHT. BUT THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING IS MY OWN PRIORITY. I SEE TOURISM AS CRITICAL. THIS IS, I'M NOT DOWNPLAYING THIS, RIGHT. THIS IS CRITICAL WHEN IT'S, IT'S TIME. I DON'T KNOW IN MY MIND IF IT'S TIME YET. I'M ALSO, UH, I THINK IT WAS, UH, BRIAN WHO SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HE'S COGNIZANT OF, UH, PUTTING ON TOO MUCH STAFF AT ONE TIME. WHETHER YOU EVEN HAVE THE LEADERSHIP TEAM IN PLACE, WHETHER YOU EVEN HAVE THE DESK SPACE, WHEREVER THEY, THAT PERSON COULD WORK OUTTA THE, THE PARKS OF REC BUILDING. YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND A SPOT. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A TIME IN MY MIND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE TO STEW ON FOR A LITTLE BIT, KAREN. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE AN OPTION, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING TOGETHER DECISION PACKAGES I UNDERSTAND AND PROPOSALS. AND WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THOSE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE JUSTIFICATION NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO HELP PRIORITIZE WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. WELL THAT'S, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, SO WE'VE BEEN INTERNALLY KIND OF GRAPPLING WITH THE, THE PARKING POSITION, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THAT A PLANNER TYPE IS THAT A PUBLIC, UH, WORKS RIGHT OF WAY TYPE. I THINK THE PERSON WHO'S GONNA DO THE OUTREACH AND THE INITIAL PLANNING IN COORDINATION WITH A, WITH SOME CONSULTANT SUPPORT FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS PARKING, SPECIFIC PARKING EXPERTISE IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN THE PERSON WHO'S GOING TO OWN THE PROGRAM INTO THE FUTURE. BUT I COULD SEE THE PERSON WHO'S MANAGING A RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROGRAM AND, UH, MAKING SURE SIGNAGE IS ADEQUATE AND WORKING WITH BUSINESSES ON A, ON MAYBE A PERMIT OR LOCATIONS FOR, FOR BUSINESS PARKING. COULD ALSO BE SOMEONE WHO COULD COORDINATE AT LEAST INITIALLY SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ANDY MENTIONED RELATIVE TO THE STEPS SYSTEM. MM-HMM. . SO MAYBE WE BRING ONE POSITION THAT SERVES DOUBLE DUTY, UM, WITH INITIALLY FROM SOME CONSULTANT SUPPORT AND THEN THAT PERSON COULD, COULD OWN THE OPERATIONALIZATION OF THOSE THINGS MOVING FORWARD. SO LET US CONTEMPLATE THAT AND, AND I WILL, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN THE BUDGET PROCESS WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND OPTIONS. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING, YOU KNOW, NOT TO MAKE A DECISION NOW. SO, UM, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS, ALYSSA? SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF, UM, MY OWN GENERAL ASSUMPTION, WHICH PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DISABUSE ME OF IT. THAT TO ME, THE SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE BUILDING, STEP SUVS, UM, BIKE LANES, DANGEROUS PLACES LIKE 89 A AND ROUNDABOUTS. UM, THE WHOLE POINT HERE IS [04:50:01] NOT JUST FOR RESIDENTS, BUT IT'S, THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ATTRACT TOURISTS WHO WANT TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND RENT A BIKE. UM, AND THEREBY USE THOSE URBAN TRAILS, SO TO SPEAK, TO SORT OF GET AROUND OUR CITY OR TO WALK AROUND THEM AS WELL. THE FACT THAT THEY'LL EVENTUALLY, UM, EITHER LEAD TO A, UH, TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE STOP WHERE YOU CAN GET ON THE SHUTTLE WITH YOUR BIKE AND GO SOMEWHERE, EVEN THOUGH I REALIZE THERE'S ONLY TWO BIKE HOLDERS ON OUR, ON OUR SHUTTLES, UM, OR THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ACTUALLY TERMINATE AT A TRAILHEAD SO THAT YOU CAN USE YOUR BIKE OR THE, YOUR WALKING CAPABILITY ON THE SUP TO GET THERE. THE WHOLE IDEA IS THOSE URBAN TRAILS WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD INTO THE FOREST SERVICE SYSTEM SO THAT WE WILL GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS AND GET THEM MOVING AROUND TO ME. THEREFORE, THIS IS PART OF OUR TOURISM PLAN, UM, IS, IS TO TRY AND, AND, AND GET THAT KIND OF TOURIST OR, UM, TO ENCOURAGE THE TOURISTS WHO DO COME TO DO THOSE SORTS OF OUTDOOR THINGS IN THE CITY, NOT JUST ON THE TRAILS. AND MAYBE I'M COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS SORT OF THE VISION AND I'M STEERING AT LAUREN. BUT, UM, I WAS THINKING THAT THAT REALLY WAS THE VISION WITH THE SUVS AND THE STEP PROGRAM. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER ? OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND NO COMMENTS EITHER. OKAY. I, I GUESS I JUST WANT TO SAY MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SHARED USE PATH IS THAT IT WAS, IT WAS NOT PRIMARILY A TOURIST FOCUSED, IT WAS PRIMARILY, UH, A RESIDENT FOCUSED WAY TO GET PEOPLE ABILITY TO WALK AND BIKE IN, UH, IN CURRENTLY UNSAFE AREAS LIKE THUNDER MOUNTAIN AND DRY CREEK. I THINK IT SERVES DUAL PURPOSES, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER INTENT. IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS A, IT WAS MEANT FOR TOURISTS. I THOUGHT IT WAS ALWAYS MEANT FOR RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS. I THINK INSOFAR AS IT CONNECTS TO, TO THE FOREST SERVICE A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO, NOT ONLY TO THE FOREST SERVICE BUT TO DESTINATIONS LIKE THE LIBRARY, OTHER, OTHER INSTITUTIONAL DESTINATIONS IN THE CITY, WHICH IS WHY THE NEVADA TRAIL WAS IMPORTANT. SO I THINK, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER INTENDED ONLY TO, IN MY, IN MY IDEA TO BE TOURIST TO BE FOR TOURISM. OKAY. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. ALRIGHT. UH, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK IT WILL BE . KAREN, YOU HAVE ANY, UH, ENOUGH OF INFORMATION? I FIGURED. OKAY. MORE THAN ENOUGH. MOST LIKELY . YOU OKAY. UH, MINOR IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AS ITEM SIX, MINOR IMPROVEMENT TO, TO COUNCIL PACKET. AGAIN, THAT'S COUNCIL FURMAN'S ITEM. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST, UH, THINK ABOUT WAYS TO MAKE OUR PACKETS SORT OF MORE READABLE AND DIGESTIBLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR US. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY'RE STRUCTURED NOW, IT'S DIFFICULT TO FLIP THROUGH ALL THE PAGES THAT YOU NEED TO FLIP THROUGH TO GET TO THE STUFF. AND SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO CONCEIVE OF A WAY OF PUTTING THE MEAT UP FRONT, WHICH IS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THE, THE AGENDA BILL ITEM AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE ON THERE. PERHAPS THE PRESENTATIONS THAT SOMETIMES GET LEFT OUT OF OUR, OUR PACKETS, BUT ARE AN ESSENTIAL PART OF WHAT WE DIGEST ON THE DAIS. AND THEN SOME OF THAT REAL DETAILED STUFF THAT SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT, ARE STILL IN THE PACKET, BUT IT'S JUST NOT INTERFERING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH ME BEING ABLE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH OR, AND, AND IT'S LESS ME BECAUSE I'M USED TO IT, BUT I JUST THINK ABOUT OUR POOR RESIDENTS AND HOW THE PACKET IS CONSTRUCTED AND THEY CAN'T DIGEST ANYTHING THAT'S IN THERE IN A COHERENT WAY. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO REALLY TELL 'EM WHERE TO GO LOOK. SO I, I TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WAYS TO MAKE THIS MORE OF AN OPEN GOVERNMENT PROCESS AND EASIER ACCESS TO, FOR EVERYBODY AND FOR ME TO DO BUSINESS ON THE DIET. KATHY, JESSICA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TIM? UM, I WILL IN A WHILE. OKAY. UM, I AGREE WITH THE FIRST POINT OF THIS, UH, COMPLETELY LIKE OF COMBINING THE SUMMARY EVENTS AND THE REPORTS OF COUNCIL BECAUSE SO OFTEN IT, YOU [04:55:01] IT'S CONFUSING WHICH GOES WHERE THAT, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GOOD, EASY ONE. YEAH. EASY CONSOLIDATION. THANK YOU FOR SUGGESTING IT. UM, ITEM TWO, IT, IT, IT MOSTLY FOR MOST OF US AND FOR MOST OF, I THINK THE PUBLIC, UM, THE PACKAGE IS A DIGITAL ITEM ANYWAY, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACCESSING IT ON A COMPUTER. SO DOES IT MATTER IF IT'S THERE AND YOU SKIP OVER IT AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET TO THE NEXT PIECE THAT YOU NEED? OR, OR PUT IT, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH A CONTRACT BEING PUT ON AS AN APPENDIX, BUT LIKE, AS KAREN KNOWS THE OTHER DAY, ONLY BECAUSE THE CONTRACT WAS THERE IN THE PACKET, WERE WE ABLE TO SEE THAT THERE WAS ONE DOCUMENT EXHIBIT A OF A CONTRACT, WHICH WAS AN APPENDIX TO THE AGENDA BILL. YOU KNOW, IT WAS MISTITLED AND I WOULD'VE MISSED THAT SERIOUSLY IF IT WAS, 'CAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE GONE TO AN EMPTY EXHIBIT A PAGE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THERE. SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S IN THE WAY THAT MUCH, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG FEELING ON THIS. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE, FOR THE FIRST ONE. I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND THE SECOND ONE, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW CUMBERSOME THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S BEING ACCESSED DIGITALLY. I DO HAVE ONE OTHER SUGGESTION ON THE, UM, AGENDA AS WELL, WHICH WOULD BE MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT I PARTAKE IN THEIR MEETINGS, START THEIR MEETINGS WITH A LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND THAT THESE ARE THE OF NATIVE PEOPLE AND THE INDIGENOUS LANDS ON WHICH WE ARE FUNCTIONING. UM, WE DON'T DO THAT IN SEDONA. WE HAVEN'T REALLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE HAVE COME IN AND WESTERNIZED AN AREA AND MADE A MUNICIPALITY AND A CORPORATE THING ON LANDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. AND I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION OF DO WE WANNA AN PUT A SIMPLE LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT? AND IT COULD BE THE WAY WE WENT WITH THE, UM, UM, VISION STATEMENT THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD JUST BE ON THE SCREEN AHEAD OF TIME OR JUST IN THE PRINTED MATERIALS. I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO ADD TIME ONTO THE MEETING, I WOULD LIKE MAYBE A VERBAL, VERBAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, BUT I'M OPEN TO OTHER WAYS TO DO IT. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST SOMEWHERE WHERE WE'RE LACKING THAT WE JUST DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THE PEOPLES THAT WENT BEFORE US IN THIS LAND AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE THAT HAVE BEEN OVERRUN BY WESTERN CULTURE. OKAY. THIS SIDE. ANYTHING BRIAN? OKAY, SO THE CONSOLIDATE FIVE AND EIGHT. YEP. GET THAT. UM, THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, UM, I GUESS I'M AMBIVALENT ABOUT THAT, BUT IF IT WERE TO BE DONE, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SEE IT UP HERE. IS MY MIND IS STILL WRAPPED AROUND HOW ON EARTH CAN WE SHORTEN THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW? SO TO THAT EFFECT, I HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL SUGGESTIONS. ONE IS, UM, I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW WHAT ONE OF 'EM IS, BUT, UH, THE, THE ONE OF 'EM IS THE, UM, THE PARKS AND REC REPORT. THE, CAN WE GET THAT UP HERE ON THE BOARD TO GET THAT SHORTENED AND JUST GET THAT ROTATING? LIKE I, I MEAN I JUST, IT JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO REPORT ON PARKS AND REC UPCOMING EVENTS. I MEAN, ANYBODY HAS ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT. SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED TO READ THAT OUT LOUD. I KNOW THAT MIGHT HURT VICE MAYOR. THE, THE HISTORICAL, THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE VICE MAYOR READING WHAT'S COMING UP. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US GET RID OF THAT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, ITEM IS MOMENT OF ART AND MOMENT OF ART. SO LIKE LAST YEAR I WISH TO SUGGEST AGAIN THAT WE ELIMINATE MOMENT OF ART. I AM ALL FOR THE ARTS. I LOVE THE PERFORMING ARTS, THE VISUAL ARTS. AND I THINK THAT WE COULD DO SO MUCH BETTER AS A COMMUNITY THAT IS ANIMATED BY THE ARTS, BY ELEVATING AND HONORING IN SOME WAY BETTER THAN IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR 15 MINUTES. WHEN THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT COME, IF IT'S AN ARTIST, IT'S THEIR FOUR FRIENDS SITTING IN THE FRONT ROW AND THEN THEY ALL LEAVE WHEN IT'S OVER. AND YOU GET 10 YOUNG PEOPLE FOR THE ORCHESTRA WITH THEIR TWO PARENTS EACH OTHER. THERE'S 20 PEOPLE OUT THERE, THEY ALL LEAVE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DO THAT. LIKE, LET'S DO SOMETHING BETTER AND HONOR THESE PEOPLE AND ENCOURAGE MORE OF THE COMMUNITY TO COME AND YES, ELIMINATE 15 MINUTES OUT OF OUR AGENDA TWICE OR EVERY OTHER MEETING. SO THANK YOU. OH, AND THAT LAST PART, SORRY. THE LINKS AND APPENDICES THINGS. I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT WAY IT IS. ALRIGHT. YOU READY? I AM READY . [05:00:01] AND ARE WE, LEAVE ME SOME, SOME, YOU'RE ALWAYS READY. I KNOW. LEAVE ME SOME TIME AND THAT AGENDA SO I CAN GO. WELL, WE, WE HAVE THREE MORE HOURS. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME TIME. OKAY, GREAT. MERGE FIVE AND EIGHT. YAY. YAY. SINCE I ALREADY DO THAT. , UM, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE PACKET. I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO DO IT. UM, STAFF SAYS IT'S JUST GONNA CAUSE THEM A LOT MORE WORK AND A LOT MORE PROBLEMS. AND SO I THINK AS CUMBERSOME AS IT IS, WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. I DON'T SEE IT AS A, AS A NEED. UM, I'D LIKE TO GET RID OF PARK AND REC BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON IN THE CITY AND YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT JUST REPEATS ITSELF. UM, I DON'T MIND HAVING A SLIDE UP THERE THAT REMINDS PEOPLE, I THINK IF THERE'S A MAJOR EVENT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WINE FEST OR SOMETHING, BUT JUST, OKAY, THE MOMENT OF ART. TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU, MR. BRIAN. I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY EVENT. I THINK PEOPLE LOOK AT IT ONLINE. I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE AND GET TO SEE THEIR FRIENDS AND THEIR KIDS PERFORM, I THINK THAT'S PRICELESS. AND I THINK A KIND OF IN THE SAME WAY AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AN AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IN OF ART IN THIS CONTEXT. I MEAN, DO I LIKE ALL OF THE MOMENTS OF ART? NO, BUT I, I JUST THINK IT'S A, I I THINK THEY'VE BECOME EXTENDED AND I, I GUESS I MIGHT REQUEST THAT THEY GO BACK TO BEING A MORE LIMITED FORUM. I KNOW IT STARTED AT LIKE FIVE MINUTES, IT'S NOW 20, 25 MINUTES, ONE HOUR. YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE ROOM TO HAVE IT LIKE THE ORCHESTRA, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN ASSUMPTION THAT ALL OF THEM HAVE TO BE REALLY LONG. UM, BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO, I THINK IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT AND I, EVEN IF NO ONE SHOWS UP HERE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO. AND WAS, THERE WAS ONE MORE THAT I'VE MISSED AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS. OH, THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T MIND, I DON'T REALLY WANT IT AS PART OF A COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I REALLY WOULDN'T MIND A PLAQUE SOMEWHERE THAT WAS A, A, A LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT KOA WAS THERE AND WAS ALWAYS SORT OF, AND, AND SORT OF PERMANENTLY ACKNOWLEDGED IT. SO I, I GUESS I WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION. I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER THAT TO HAVING IT JUST HERE, JUST AS A KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING ON OUR AGENDA. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PERMANENT KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF, OF, OF THAT PAST . SO LET'S GO DOWN HERE. UH, AS FAR AS A MOMENT OF ART, I, I'M SORRY BRIAN, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER'S GONNA BE, BUT SHE STANDS ALONE. BRIAN , BECAUSE I HAVE TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S FINE. BUT I, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETIMES LONG. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE CHILDREN HERE, LIKE WE HAD THE OTHER DAY, OH MY GOD. AND THE PARENTS, OH, THE CITY COUNCIL HEARD, YOU KNOW, I WENT THE VICE MAYOR AND I WENT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE OTHER DAY AND WE HAD THE CLASSROOM THERE WITH THE STUDENTS. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE STUDENTS CAME IN THAT THEY HEARD THAT THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL, THEY WANTED TO AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. I THOUGHT I WAS TOTALLY SURPRISED. BUT PEOPLE COMING HERE, THEY WANNA KNOW THAT THEY'RE ACKNOWLEDGED. SO THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS. I I UNDERSTAND, MAYOR, YOU COULD ATTEND THE ELEVATED I COULD MOMENT OF ART, DON'T DUNNO WHAT THAT IS, I'M SUGGESTING RIGHT. YOU DIDN'T SUGGEST WE ALL COULD ATTEND THAT AND THE SAME GRATIFICATION COULD BE ACHIEVED. I'M NOT TRYING TO DIMINISH THE EXCITEMENT, I NO, I UNDERSTAND AND HONOR OF BEING SEEN BY CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. I KNOW AND I KNEW THAT, I KNEW FROM LIZ, I KNEW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY BEFORE YOU SAID, UM, DO YOU WANNA TAKE A, DO YOU WANNA DO UP AND DOWN ON THESE THINGS SO WE CAN MOVE? YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S MUCH EASIER. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO. ANYBODY INTERESTED IN, IN, UH, ELIMINATING THE MOMENT OF ART . THE CHIEF STANDS ALONE. OKAY. ANYBODY INTERESTED IN ELIMINATING THE, UH, UH, PARKS AND REC? YEAH. HOLLY . WELL, YOU'RE HANDS UP. YOU STARTED NO, I DID. NO, I DID. BUT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, THAT, AND THAT'S FINE. UM, YEAH, YOU, THE HYPERLINK, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF, LET ME JUST, I I I, I THINK I NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE THAT I USE THE WORD REDUCE MAIN PACKET SIZE. AND I DON'T MEAN REDUCE, I JUST MEANT RESTRUCTURE. OKAY. IT WAS JUST PUTTING THE METEOR STUFF IN AN EASIER TO GET MY FINGERS ON SORT OF WAY. [05:05:01] BUT RESTRUCTURING, I, I GET IT. I I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO YEAH, IT'S CLARIFY. OKAY. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT THUMB DOWN. IS THAT, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO CHANGE THE PACKET AT ALL? NO. THUMBS DOWN. WE HAVE NOBODY, EVEN PETE NOW YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE, WE MEANT IT'S OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE CAN HAVE THE CITY CLERK, YOU KNOW, SPEAK ABOUT WHY, HOW HOW BAD IT'S IMP IT'S IMPORTANT. OKAY. SO WHAT WAS THE OTHER PARTS? INDIGENOUS LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT LAND. WELL, BEFORE WE DO A LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS. SO THE VICE MAYOR AND I WENT AND WE MET WITH THE HOPI DRIVE, THE MANAGER, WHAT WAS HIS TITLE? DIRECTOR? NO, HE WAS THE VICE CHAIRMAN. VICE CHAIR. OKAY. THEY HAVE A STRONG DESIRE TO COME AND SPEAK ABOUT THE LANDS. SO MAYBE YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING NEW. SO IF WE DO SOMETHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE COULD, THIS WAY WE CAN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHATEVER IT IS WE WANT TO DO. WHETHER IT'S UP ON THE, THE SCREEN, WHETHER IT'S A PLAQUE, WHATEVER IT IS. LET'S LEARN A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MAYBE WHAT WE EVEN KNOW. IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN THAT? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING TO DO THAT BEFORE JUNE. I, I WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE TOWARD DOING SOMETHING. I'M OPEN TO VARIOUS SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT IT IS. I THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN HAVING THE PEOPLES THEMSELVES COME AND PRESENT TO US ON THINGS. IT'S US MAKING ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF OUR USE OF NATIVE LANDS. SO THEY'RE SEPARATE. SO I'D LIKE US TO CONTINUE ON A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN, JUST ON SOME LEVEL OF RECOGNITION, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS. AND I GET THAT. I JUST WANT THROW THE EXTRA INFORMATION, PETER. YEAH, YEAH. I, YOU KNOW, I'M ON BOARD TO THINKING THROUGH IT AND I'M SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING TO DO SOMETHING REAL AND I WORRY ABOUT IF IT JUST APPEARED IN OUR PACKET, IT WOULD BE LIKE OUR VISION STATEMENT THAT IT'S JUST SORT OF PRO FORMA AND IT DOESN'T STICK POLITICALLY CORRECT. YEAH. AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, AND MAYBE IT MEANS LIKE FOR A YEAR WE DO IT. I, I DON'T KNOW AT THE, BUT I AM REALLY OPEN AND WOULD ENCOURAGE A DIALOGUE OF US TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO THAT WOULD BE REAL AND SIGNIFICANT IN THIS AREA. YES. SO, UNLIKE POSSIBLY MANY OTHER CITIES, WE ACTUALLY SIT IN THE MIDDLE OF MANY TRIBAL NATIONS. MM-HMM. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND, UM, IT FEELS TO ME A LITTLE GRATUITOUS THAT WE WOULD JUST COME UP WITH A STATEMENT ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT WITHOUT THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE CONVERSATION. UM, BECAUSE WE SIT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM. AND I DON'T WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE, OH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF WHITE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN AND TOOK OVER LAND AND NOW THEY'RE JUST COPYING A STATEMENT FROM WHATEVER. SO I, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY, BUT I WANT IT, I WANT US TO BE HONEST ABOUT THE FACT THAT, THAT, UM, THEY'RE STILL HERE. MM-HMM. . AND, UH, WE ENGAGE WITH THEM. THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF OUR BROADER COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. . AND TO, TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THEIR INVOLVEMENT JUST FEELS WRONG TO ME. WELL, I DON'T THINK KATHY WAS SAYING DO IT WITHOUT THE INVOLVEMENT. JUST COME UP WITH A POLICY FIRST AND THEN ENGAGE WITH THEM. AND THEN SO WE WOULD STILL GATHER THE INFORMATION TO, TO, TO COUNCIL COUNCILMAN FURMAN'S POINT. THAT SHOULD BE A, BUT NOBODY COULD GET THEIR NAMES. I SAID FURMAN SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE, UM, A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE AROUND HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED AND, AND NOT JUST SAY, YES, WE WANNA DO IT, BUT LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. FOR SURE. I THINK CATHERINE WAS SAYING SIMILAR TO THAT AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. LET'S JUST GET WHETHER WE WANNA DO IT AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANNA DO IT. SO LET'S SEE THE PROCESS OF HOW WE WANT TO DO THIS. SO WELL, DO WE HAVE EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH A THUMBS UP TO, TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION OF EXPLORING HOW TO BEST DO A LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT? OR IF WE SHOULD, WHAT'S THAT? OR IF WE SHOULD WELL, IF WE SHOULD. I MEAN THE, IF WE SHOULD, SHOULD BE BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITH OUR TRIBAL NEIGHBORS. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. PERHAPS THEY DON'T WANT US TO DO IT AND I JUST, I JUST WANT US TO HAVE THAT BROADER CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR NEIGHBORS. THAT, THAT'S STILL IN MY MIND. THATS ANOTHER QUESTION. PURSUING IT. RIGHT. SO SHOULD, LET'S DO A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. SHOULD WE, AND THEN WILL WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? ANOTHER, SHOULD WE HAVE, HAVE THE CONVERSATION EXPLORING HOW WE WOULD MAKE AN APPROPRIATE, IF APPROPRIATE LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT? YES. I DON'T CARE. I'M FINE. OKAY. SO WE GOT UNANIMOUS ON THAT. SO THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE, UH, TO DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. KAREN, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL SINCE I BROUGHT THIS UP, IF I DID SOME OUTREACH TO ASK FOR WHAT POTENTIAL LANGUAGE OR MIGHT BE AND IF I MADE SOME CONTACT WITH THE NATION UP TO YOU, IT WOULD BE IMPERATIVE. . I SAW THAT IN YOUR EYES. [05:10:01] I WANNA SAY BEFORE YOU DO THAT, JUST IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD YEAH. AT A CLIP THAT YEAH. NEXT WEEK I GET IT. THEN IF YOU WOULD TAKE THE LEAD AND THEN JUST LET JOE, OR I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO AGENDIZE A CONVERSATION. BUT IF THAT COULD BE FACILITATED NOT BY US, UM, THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCILOR DUNN TO JOIN ME IN THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY NO. NO. ON WHAT, BECAUSE THE VICE MAYOR AND I ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HOPI NATION. THAT'S, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. NO, WHAT YOU SAID FOR YOU TO DO OUTREACH TO FIND OUT WHAT SHOULD BE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY. OKAY. TO DO THE OUTREACH TO THE A NATION, WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE GROUP, ONE OF THE, UH, UH, GROUPS. I WOULD LIKE US TO CONTINUE WITH THIS RELATIONSHIP AND INVITE THOSE PEOPLE ON EVEN AS A, TO GET THE INFORMATION. I DON'T THINK IT'S STEPS ON THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I, IT DOESN'T STEP ON THAT. WHY YOU'RE, WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD YOU DO YOUR OUTREACH TO? I WILL RE I'LL FIND OUT WHO THE APPROPRIATE PERSON IS ADMINISTRATIVELY, I'LL START AT THE, AT THE NATION. YOU HAVE A PIE PATCH. APACHE NATION. I'LL PROBABLY GO TO THE CULTURAL CENTER THAT EXISTS WITH THE CHAIRMAN. I COULD PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF, I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN PLACE THAT, SO YOU WENT FROM OBJECTING THAT I DO ANY OUTREACH TO NOW OFFERING TO PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH THE CHAIRMAN. DIFFERENT GROUP. OKAY. DIFF DIFFERENT GROUP. OKAY. BUT I, I TEND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, YOU MIGHT GET TWO DIFFERENT, UH, INFORM BITS OF INFORMATION. THIS IS A VERY LIMITED SCOPE AND, AND, AND A THUMBS UP THAT'S BEEN GIVEN. I, I, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE SOFT, BUT THE THUMBS THUMB UP WAS NOT ABOUT ABOUT YOU DOING IT. THE THUMBS UP. SHOULD WE DO IT? UM, WELL ACTUALLY KATHY DO IT. THE THUMBS UP. ALRIGHT. DO YOU WANNA DO IT? GO FOR IT. IF MY ALSO MAY IN, IF I CAN INTERJECT, UM, BECAUSE OF WHERE SEDONA IS LOCATED ISN'T JUST THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION WHO IS OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR. YES. IT'S ALSO THE NAVAJO NATION. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE HOPI NATION I UNDERSTAND. FOR SO, BUT THERE ARE IMMEDIATE LANDS. RIGHT. AND BUT I, I JUST DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT WHEN WE MET WITH THE HOPI CHAIRMAN, THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ENTHUSIASTICALLY ABOUT WE WANT, THEY WANT US TO COME TO THEIR COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THEY WANT TO COME HERE. GREAT. PERFECT. SO THAT'S TRYING TO BUILD, WE NEVER HAD THAT WITH THE, UH, APACHE, UH, YEAH. BY APACHE WHERE WE MEET, WE GO TO MEETINGS WITH THEM, BUT THEY WOULD NEVER, UH, AT LEAST DURING MY TIME, A BIG OUTREACH. LIKE, LET'S GET TOGETHER AND DO THIS KIND OF THING. WELL, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT I WOULD BE MEETING WITH, I'VE MET WITH THE CHAIRMAN MYSELF. SO, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS, I THINK THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE DIFFERENT THINGS. OKAY. AND I ALSO THINK THIS KIND OF OUTREACH AT A LOWER LEVEL ON SOMETHING CONCRETE IS A GOOD INTRODUCTION AND A GOOD WAY AT A NON ELEVATED LEVEL AT THIS KIND AND IS A RESPECTFUL LEVEL. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO MOVE FORWARD TO TRY AND SORT OF GET RELATIONSHIPS STARTED THAT RIGHT. AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL THAN PERHAPS THE ELEVATED LEVEL. WHAT FLOOR? WHAT WHAT FLOOR TO THE ELEVATORS. THE ELEVATORS. YES. OKAY. THE FOURTH FLOOR. YES. OKAY. SO ARE WE, HAVE WE COVERED EVERYTHING IN ITEM SIX AND MORE AND MORE. OKAY. OKAY. SO LET'S GO ON TO, UH, FINALIZATION OF THE 2024 DASH 2025 WORK PROGRAM AND CHANGES TO THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURES. THAT'S NOW YOU'LL LEAVE SURE. RUN OUT THE DOOR. CAN WE JUST START WITH THE WORK PROGRAM? WE CAN START WITH, THAT'D BE GREAT. YEP. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. LET'S JUST START WITH ONE AND LET'S JUST DO THAT. AND I, HE SCARED OUR ATTORNEY OUT OF THE AND DOES THAT MEAN SCOTT? I'M SORRY. MAYOR. DOES THAT MEAN THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE CURRENT PRIORITIES AND DETERMINE WHETHER THEY CONTINUE TO BE PRIORITIES AND THEN WHATEVER NEW PRIORITIES WE THINK WE MIGHT HAVE ADDED. VICE MAYOR'S LEAVING TWO. GO FOR IT. ACTUALLY HAVE OUR FIVE MINUTE BREAK. EXCELLENT IDEA COUNSELOR. FIVE MINUTE BREAK. THANK YOU. YES. TALK TO LISA. YES, I WILL. WILL. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TOO. SHE'S ALREADY DONE. ENJOY YOURSELF. OKAY, WE ARE BACK. NOW WE'RE GONNA GO. ARE WE ALL BACK? YES, WE ARE. ALL BACK. JOANNE, YOU'RE IN PLACE. OKAY. UH, ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE WORK PROGRAM. SO HOW DO YOU WANNA START THIS? THIS IS COMING AT THE BEGINNING. AT THE BEGINNING. I HAVE TO GET UP THOUGH. GO AHEAD. MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? SURE. I I THINK SOME OF THESE OBVIOUSLY WILL BECOME CONTROVERSIAL AND TALK ABOUT, BUT THERE'S SOME THAT ARE KIND OF OBVIOUS, UM, [05:15:01] THAT WILL STAY ON AS, AS PRIORITIES. COULD WE MAYBE JUST NAIL THOSE DOWN FIRST AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE, THE MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSIONS LOW. HOW DO WE DO THAT? THUMBS UP DOWN LOW HAND FOOD FIRST. SO IF IT'S UNANIMOUS, IT STAYS ON. YEAH. YES. IS IS THERE WORTH A A BIT OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE ON THE LIST? MM-HMM. AND NOT ON THE LIST. AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A GOOD PLACE TO START, ZOE? I THINK SO. OKAY. KAREN, YOU WANT GIVE US ANY, ANY KIND OF IN INSIGHT FIRST? I'D FIRST LIKE TO SEE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH THIS . UM, BE BEFORE I YES, PLEASE. NO, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE YOU, YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH THAT CONVERSATION. OKAY. WHAT DOES IT, SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE ON THE LIST? OKAY. SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT MEANS TO ME. YEAH, OF COURSE. WE'RE ALL GONNA GET A CHANCE, SO GO AHEAD. YEAH, OF COURSE. BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS THE FACE. I KNOW WHEN I'VE GONE OUT TO CERTAIN, UM, ORGANIZATIONS IN MY ROLE AS A COUNSELOR AND PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST LISTS I BRING WITH ME AS A RESOURCE. AND WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, WHAT IS THE COUNCIL DOING? WHATEVER, FIRST OF ALL, HAVE THE UPDATES, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA SAY IT'S A PRIORITY OF COUNCIL. HERE'S DOCUMENTED PROOF THAT IT'S A PRIORITY OF COUNCIL. WE HAVE A LIST OF AGREED UPON BECAUSE WE ARE ALL SEVEN INDIVIDUALS, BUT WE HAVE AGREED UPON AS A BODY TO MOVE FORWARD ON AND, AND DEDICATE RESOURCES OF STAFF TIME, ENERGY, AND BUDGET MONEY TO THESE THINGS. SO I THINK HAVING THE LIST IN A WAY THAT ALSO KEEPS TRACK OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON IT, I HAVE FOUND VERY HELPFUL. AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A LIST AND MAYBE WE NEED TO BE MORE DISCERNING. BUT THAT GOES BACK TO MY SECOND POINT OF, I THINK THERE ARE SOME OBVIOUS ONES AND SOME OTHERS THAT AREN'T. JESSICA. OH, BRIAN FIRST. YEAH. AND THEN JESSICA, GO AHEAD. SO I'LL JUST KINDA REPEAT WHAT I HAD SHARED YESTERDAY THAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT WHEN THINKING ABOUT WHAT OUGHT TO STAY ON THE LIST. SO IT'S ITEMS THAT, UH, HAVE ONGOING POLICY DECISIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. ITEMS THAT WILL HAVE ONGOING BUDGET OR, YOU KNOW, FUNDING, APPROVALS WITH THEM. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO ADD, IF IT'S, IF IT'S YES TO THOSE COUPLE THINGS AND IT'S LIKELY TO EXTEND IT'S, IT'S LIKE HAPPENING, BUT IT'S LIKELY TO EXTEND BEYOND THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR, THEN THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER REASON TO KEEP IT ON AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THESE THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IMPORTANT BUT THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY DONE, THEY'RE FUNDED, THEY'RE BEING WORKED ON, AND THEY'LL BE DONE BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THANK YOU. SO LET ME JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE NUMBER ONE ITEM SIM MM-HMM. . IT'S IS A PRIORITY. IT'S DEFINITELY BEING MOVED FORWARD. IT'S GONNA NEED FUNDING, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE MULTI-YEAR. ANOTHER, I THINK WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH, SO ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. RIGHT. IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED ON A PRIORITY LIST? 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEING WORKED ON. WE'RE GONNA STILL CONTINUE TO GET UPDATES. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IN MY MIND, WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS AS FAR AS A PRIORITY MEANS IT HAS TO BE DONE. LIKE WE MOVED THE, UH, RANGER STATION UP HIGH AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 10 YEARS. IT TURNED OUT TO BE A LOT LESS BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE WANTED IT AND WE WANTED IT. MM-HMM. . SO I'D LIKE TO GET AN IDEA ABOUT THAT. HOW DOES SIM FACE INTO THAT? SO I THINK COUNCILOR DUNN AND I WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THIS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S WHAT YOU SAY IS A PRIORITY AND THEN THERE'S ALSO PROJECTS. MM-HMM. . AND SO TRAFFIC IS A PRIORITY AND WITHIN THAT IS A WHOLE HOST OF SIM PROJECTS. SO FOR THAT REASON, YOU KNOW, SIM MEETS THE, UH, THE FACTOR OF IT. IT HAS ONGOING POLICY DECISIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, ONGOING BUDGET AND PROJECT APPROVAL, MULTI-YEAR, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. I MEAN, HONESTLY, LIKE IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T KNOW THAT PICKLEBALL COURTS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PUT ON THE LIST. RIGHT. PER SE. I GET, BECAUSE IT'S A PROJECT WITHIN PARKS AND REC AS A, FOR INSTANCE, JESSICA AND THEN PETE YOU CALL IT. OKAY. I TOTALLY AGREE ON THE, ON THE FIRST CRITERIA, WHICH IS IT'S AN ISSUE THAT STILL REQUIRES POLICY DECISION MAKING. UM, I THINK A LOT OF THINGS ARE ONGOING THAT ARE NOT, I MEAN, THEIR PRIORITIES, I MEAN, PUBLIC SAFETY HAS NEVER BEEN OUR PRIORITY LIST. RIGHT? RIGHT. IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH IT, IT GETS ON THE PRIORITY LIST. RIGHT. SO I LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND IT WAS A PROBLEM. WE DID IT AND NOW IT'S ONGOING. SO I'M NOT SURE IT BELONGS ON THIS IMMEDIATE STUFF THAT IS KIND OF BEING FOCUSED ON BECAUSE IT'S NOW A PROJECT AND IT'S NOW IT'S [05:20:01] FOCUSED ON, BUT IT'S, IT'S ONGOING. SO I THINK ONGOING MAY NOT BE FOR ME, UH, A NEC I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S, BUT BUT IT'S ONGOING FROM A STANDPOINT OF POLICY DECISIONS AND BUDGETING. NOT THAT IT, NOT THAT IT'S ONGOING YES. AS A SOLO REASON TO KEEP IT ON. YES, EXACTLY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I I LOOK AT IT IS IT REQUIRES ONGOING POLICIES, POLICY DECISIONS. SO IN THE EXAMPLE OF SIM WE'LL GET YEAH. IN THE EXAMPLE OF SIM UHHUH THAT WOULD STAY REMAIN OR BRIAN, IT WOULD COME OFF. BUT BEYOND THE PROJECTS, IT WOULD STAY, SIM WOULD STAY ON. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERST UNDERSTAND. OKAY, THAT'S PETE, GO AHEAD. SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD LAYER ON TO WHAT HAS BROUGHT UP IN THIS EXACTLY GOOD, UH, POINTS FOR ME, THE PRIORITY LIST IS WHAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS STAFF TO SPEND MORE OF THEIR TIME PRESENTING TO US IN A PUBLIC SESSION. SO WE HAVE FI MEAN THERE'S MANY POINTS THAT STAFF BRINGS THINGS TO US AND THINGS LIKE SIM. SO I'LL TRY TO PREEMPT THAT ANSWER. YEAH. THINGS LIKE SIM WE HAVE AN ENHANCED LEVEL OF INTEREST. THERE'S ALL, EVERYTHING HAS GOT ONGOING REPORTING. MM-HMM. OR POTENTIALLY POLICY DECISIONS. BUT SIM IS ONE THAT JUST CATCHES OUR ATTENTION AND WE'RE SORT OF COMMUNICATING TO STAFF THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE KEPT IN THE LOOP A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT THE STANDARD PROCESS WOULD BE. I GET IT. SO THAT'S HOW I THINK ABOUT THE PRIORITY LIST. ARE WE ALL ON IN THE SAME AGREEMENT? GREAT. OKAY. SO NOW JUST FOR SET A BASELINE, WE ALL DID, I'M NOT SURE COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN AND I OFTEN HAVE PHILOSOPHICAL, WEIRD POSITION DIFFERENCES. AND I SAW THAT LOOK ON YOUR FACE. SO, , WE'RE CLOSE. . ALRIGHT. . OKAY. SO IF I CAN, IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT THEN. UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT WE MAKE POLICY DECISIONS AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN WE DO PROJECTS. PROJECTS. THE STAFF DOES. AND WE SAY TO THE STAFF, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT WE BELIEVE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT TO ME ARE THESE HIGHER LEVEL BRACKETS OF THINGS. AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WE HAVE PROJECTS AND THESE ARE THE PROJECTS. AND THEN WE MIGHT SAY, WE THINK THAT IS OF HIGHER PRIORITY TO ANOTHER PARKS AND REC. YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE PARKS AND RECS ON HERE, BUT WE HAVE TO DO PARKS AND RECS. IT'S PART OF WHAT THE CITY PROVIDES, RIGHT? WE PROVIDE A WAY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO GET OUT AND ENJOY AND, AND MEET AND ALL THIS. AND THAT'S PARKS AND RECS INSIDE OF PARKS AND RECS. SO IT'S NOT ON OUR PRIORITY LIST. INSIDE OF PARKS AND RECS, WE HAVE PROJECTS. THE RANGER STATION WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS. PICKLEBALL IS ANOTHER OF THE PROJECTS. THERE'S A HUNDRED PROJECTS THAT JOSH WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ON THE LIST. THE DOG PARK. WE DIDN'T PUT THE DOG PARK ON THE LIST. MY UNDERSTANDING IS STAFF THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE COMMUNITY. SORRY, IT WASN'T A PRIOR LIST. MM-HMM. . WELL, WHEN I, WHEN I WAS SITTING OUT IN THE AUDIENCE, IT SOUNDED LIKE THIS WAS WHAT THE STAFF HAD BROUGHT THIS TO COUNCIL, NOT COUNCIL ASKING STAFF, BUT WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. MY POINT IS, COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY TO STAFF, WE BELIEVE THAT YOUR PROJECTS ARE NOT IN THE PRIORITY ORDER IN WHICH WE THINK RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE PROJECTS COMPLETED. THAT WAS RANGER STATION. YES. RIGHT. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THAN US SAYING TRANSIT TRAFFIC. THESE ARE SUPER IMPORTANT CONCEPTS WHICH MAY REQUIRE MORE POLICY AND WE WANT TO KEEP THEM IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC EYE, IN FRONT OF OUR EYE, IN FRONT OF STAFF'S CONSIDERATION. BUT I'M GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANDY COMING TO ME WITH 23 DIFFERENT SIM PROJECTS AND HE CAN'T DO ALL OF THEM ALL AT ONCE. AND SO WHAT DO WE THEN THINK AS COUNCIL WOULD HELP OUR RESIDENTS, HELP OUR TOURISM HELP WHATEVER IT IS THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO HELP. WHICH OF THOSE WOULD WE ORDER AS P ONE, P TWO, P THREE? 'CAUSE NOT EVERY PROJECT COULD BE P ONE. THEY CAN'T ALL DO THAT. THOSE PROJECTS ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY. SO TO ME, I LOOK AT THIS LIST AND I WOULD SAY THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC TRANSIT, HOUSING AND TOURISM MANAGEMENT. I'M SORRY, THERE ARE NO MARKETINGS IN THERE, BUT I'M PICKING MANAGEMENT. THOSE ARE P ONE CONCEPTS, POLICY LEVEL CONCEPTS THAT WE, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO HAVE ON THIS LIST. THE PROJECTS INSIDE OF THEM, I THINK WE HAVE TO EVALUATE AND THEN ORDERS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THEM NOW OR DO THEM LATER. SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY I LOOKED AT THIS LIST. SO A LOT OF THE THINGS I SAW AS PROJECTS, I WOULD'VE JUST TAKEN OFF THIS LIST AND SAID, COME AND PRESENT THEM TO ME IN A REGULAR COUNCIL SESSION OR A WORK SESSION. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. ANYTHING YOU, SAME THING. UH, I THINK THAT [05:25:01] WE'VE GOT THE COUNCIL PRIORITY LIST. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THERE THAT TO ME WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THE ATTENTION UNLESS THEY WERE ON THE LIST. BUT THOSE ALSO ARE THE ONES THAT COME OFF ONCE THEY'RE COMPLETED. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. SO I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE US ELIMINATE ALL OF THEM. THEY POTENTIALLY COULD BE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, YOU KNOW, LIKE IMPORTANT INITIATIVES THAT WE KNOW WILL BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. WE, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT CLEARLY PICKLEBALL COURTS LOOK BUILT, GONE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN BUILT. HMM. WELL THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE BEING YES. THEY'RE NOT GONNA STOP DESIGN MOVING FORWARD. SO WE CAN STILL TAKE WHAT I'M SAYING I'M SAYING IS THAT THEY'RE FUNDED, THEY'RE BEING BUILT. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE ON NEXT YEAR'S PRIORITY LIST. THAT, THAT ONE IS REALLY CLEAR. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ARE NOT SO CLEAR. CULTURAL PARK MASTER PLAN TO ME IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. I'M I THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PROJECT WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN. NO, NO. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO, TO MELISSA'S POINT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PROJECT, TO ME IT IS SUCH A HUGE AND IMPORTANT PROJECT. AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S ABOUT HOUSING, IT'S ALSO ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE. SO I WOULD KEEP THAT ON THE LIST. SO LET'S, LET'S GET STARTED GOING DOWN THE LIST. UH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO THUMBS UP AND THUMBS DOWN TO START WITH IF THAT UNTIL IT DOESN'T WORK. AND IF WE HAVE UNANIMITY, THEN WE PUT IT ON THE LIST AND THEN WHATEVER DOESN'T HAVE UNANIMITY WE TALK ABOUT. SURE. I MEAN, THAT'S ONE WAY TO PROCEED. YEAH, I THINK NO, THAT'S GOOD. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAID ANYWAY, BUT YES. OKAY. SO, UH, TRAFFIC, TRANSPORTATION, SIM UNANIMOUS. WHAT A LONG LIST. I JUST HOLY MY GOD. TRANSIT HERE. JUST LOOK AT IT'S THE SAME. OKAY. IT'S JUST EASIER FOR YOU. OKAY. AFFORDABLE HOUSE, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING. ABSOLUTELY. SUSTAINABILITY. CLIMATE ACTION. PETER, YOU'RE SO SLOW TO DO THAT. I FIGURED YOU WOULD'VE HAD YOUR . OKAY. THAT'S NOT UNANIMOUS. THAT'S NOT UNANIMOUS. WHO'S WHO'S NOT? ME. TWO OF THEM. OH, YOU, YOU'RE NOT. AND I'M NOT. YOU'RE NOT. OKAY. SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE DISCUSS. SYSTEM COMMUNICATION AND, UH, RELATIONS. UM, I THINK IT'S BEING DONE AS A PROJECT. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A PRIORITY. OH, LET, CAN WE DISCUSS IT? YEAH. WELL, OR OR IS THERE, I MIGHT BE CONVINCED, BUT SORRY. IS IS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT IF THE SUPPORT IS SO LOW, IT CAN ALSO BE YES. ELIMINATED? NO, BECAUSE IF, IF YOU HAVE THE ONLY THUMBS UP ON SOMETHING, I WANT HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. EVEN IF I'M A THUMBS DOWN ON IT, MAYBE SHE'LL CHANGE YOUR MIND. HAVE THE SAME COURTESY. OKAY. WE HAVE, I UNDERSTAND. SUSTAINABILITY AND COMMUNICATIONS. RIGHT. OKAY. SO CITIZEN'S COMMUNICATION THERE IS NOT, UH, LET'S DISCUSS THAT THEN. OKAY. LET'S GO DOWN THE LIST. OKAY. UM, HOLD ON NOW. TRANSIT, UH, SIM TRANSIT, WORKFORCE HOUSING NUMBER SIX. WE'RE ON SHORT TERM. I'M JUST DOING MY LIST HERE. I MEAN, FOUR, FOUR. IT'S, NO, SORRY, SORRY. NEVERMIND. SIX, SIX ON SIX. OKAY. BUT SYSTEM COMMUNICATION. OKAY. SIX IS MANAGE IMPACT, UH, MONITOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. I THINK IT'S BEING DONE. MM-HMM. EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. SO THAT COMES OFF THE LIST, RIGHT? SO I DO WANT TO ASK, SO KAREN, DO, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL IF YOU ONE, WHATEVER NUMBER WE GO THROUGH, IF YOU FEEL IT DEFINITELY HAS TO BE AND WHAT YOU, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I'LL . OKAY. JUST, I JUST WANNA BE SURE. CAN, CAN, CAN I JUST, I'M OF THE MIND THAT IT SHOULD COME OFF AS WELL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS ON THE CONVERSATION LIST AS WELL. THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, BECAUSE I JUST WANNA RAISE A POINT ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT OUR FLOW HERE. YEAH. JUST, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MANAGING IMPACT AND MONITORING. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE PERMIT PROGRAM IN PLACE. THE PERMIT PROGRAM IS NOT WHAT'S A POLICY PRIORITY, RIGHT? IT'S THE LEGISL LEGISLATIVE, LEGISLATIVE ISSUES AROUND SHORT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, YEAH. SO LET'S PUT THAT UNDER DISCUSSION TO COME THAT OKAY. BROADBAND. NO, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT THEN. OKAY. EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. OKAY. UNANIMOUS OFF TRAILHEAD CONGESTION IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORHOODS ZERO [05:30:01] COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. UH, YOU MISSED CULTURAL PARK, I THINK. OH NO, I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. NO. 'CAUSE BEING DONE, IT'LL, RIGHT? NO, I, YEAH. OKAY. CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY ACQUISITION. OKAY. ACCELERATE RANGER STATION. IT CAN COME OFF. YEP. IT'LL BE DONE BY NEXT YEAR. CREATION OF A, A CITY TOURISM BUREAU. IT CAN COME OFF. NO, IT'S NO NEEDS TO CHANGE. ARE YOU KIDDING? ITS NAME RIGHT? YEAH. THE WORD CREATION COMES OFF. THAT'S ALL TOURISM MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? TOURISM SHOULD GO ON TOURISM, BUT TOURISM MANAGEMENT BUREAU TOURISM, YEAH. INSTEAD OF BUREAU. SO THE VOTE ON THAT IS WHAT? BUT IS THE, IS IT GOING TO, DO YOU FEEL IT SHOULD COME? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S BEING MATCH JUST FINE. I THINK THAT THE UP THE THUMBS UP MEANS WE WANT IT TO STAY ON, STAY ON THE LIST, RIGHT. IS ANYBODY DO, DO YOU SEE ANY CHANGE, CHANGE WHAT ITS TITLE IS? BUT TOURISM SHOULD STAY, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A, A THING ON KEEPING IT ON. YES. KEEPING IT ON. SO IS THAT UNANIMOUS? NO. YEAH, SURE. NO. PETE SAYS NO. MY ONLY POINT HERE IS, IS KEEPING IT ON THE LIST. WOULD YOU BE DOING ANY MORE REPORTING ABOUT THE TOURISM BUREAU THAN YOU WOULD ALREADY PLAN? NOT NECESSARILY, BUT I DO THINK THERE ARE MANY, MANY POLICY DECISIONS. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AS WE, BECAUSE IT'S BRAND NEW. SO THEY'RE, SO IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THE FIRST PROBABLY COUPLE YEARS OF THIS NEW PROGRAM FOR US, IT PROBABLY SHOULD STAY ON. OKAY. OKAY. FEEL FREE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. ASSESSMENT OF OHVS? NO. OFF THE AIRPORT. WELL, IT'S, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT TOO LONG SOMEWHERE. RIGHT? LET'S PUT AIRPORT DOWN. PICKLEBALL COURTS IS OFF. WE'VE ALREADY SAID. WELL, I DON'T AGREE BECAUSE, OKAY. WELL, ALRIGHT. TOLD YOU. OKAY. OKAY. ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING SYSTEM. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT, RIGHT? WHAT'S AN INTERNAL, IT'S AN INTERNAL THING, RIGHT? IT'S INTERNAL. SO WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO HAVE, REPEAT THAT, KAREN. MM-HMM. . I WOULD, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE MAINTAINING AN OTHER PROJECTS, INITIATIVES GROUP, I WOULD LIKE TO ITCHES TO REMAIN ON THE LIST BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG RESOURCE UNDERTAKING AND I WANNA KEEP THAT ON THE RADAR. OKAY. SO THAT'S OTHER PROJECTS. I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, THERE'S COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER IN IMPORTANT INITIATIVES THAT ARE CURRENTLY FOCUSED. RIGHT. JUST JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE, WE WILL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LISTS. WELL, WE ACTUALLY DO, DO INTERESTING. WE WE DO. BUT SHOULD IN THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD, SHOULD SOMETHING LIKE ERP HAVE BEEN IN THAT LIST AND NOT IN THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES LIST. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OH, WELL, YEAH. OKAY. REVISITS ON LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE ON THE LIST. I DO TOO. YOU DO TOO. IT'S JUST THREE OF US. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IT'S, IT IS GONNA BE WORKED ON WHEN IT'S GONNA BE WORKED ON WHEN THEY, EVERYTHING THAT THEY SAID BEFORE, BEFORE 26, UH, OR LATER. KAREN PUT ONTO THE OTHER IMPORTANT INITIATIVES. YEAH. WE CAN PUT IT ON THE OTHER LIST JUST TO COME OFF THE, THE PRIORITY LIST. COME OFF THE PRIORITY. YEAH. IT'S NOT OFF MY PRIORITY LIST. THAT'S WELL, I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND. OKAY. PURSUE INTERNAL PERFORMANCE AUDIT. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER LISTS. THAT'S NOT A PRIORITY ALREADY. SO HOW MANY DO WE HAVE AS PRIORITIES? WOULD SOMEBODY READ THEM? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND GREAT AS WELL? NO. AND WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 TO TALK ABOUT. OKAY. BUT WE HAVE FIVE PRIORITIES AT THE MOMENT. JOANNE, YOU HAVE THAT? YES. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND SO THOSE, TO DISCUSS OUR SUSTAINABILITY, RIGHT? COMMUNICATION, SHORT TERM RENTALS, BROADBAND, THE AIRPORT AND PICKLEBALL. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. OKAY. SO I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND WHY I THINK IT SHOULD BE ON THE LIST. MM-HMM. , WE HAVE A GOAL TO BE CARBON NEUTRAL BY 2030. HOW CAN WE NOT? THAT GOAL IS SO HUGE. IT IS A PRIORITY. HOW COULD WE NOT HAVE THIS PRIORITY NOT BE ON OUR LIST? COMPLETELY AGREE. I'M PERSUADED. BRIAN, WHAT ABOUT YOU? I'M NOT PERSUADED. OKAY, GOOD. LET'S HEAR. TO ME, IT'S, IT'S JUST A WHOLE HOST OF PROJECTS AND WE'RE GETTING UPDATES AS IT IS. I THINK WE GET EXCESSIVE UPDATES. LIKE, I, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT COMPOSTING THREE TIMES A YEAR. I REALLY DON'T. JUST SAYING SO I, IT, IT'S A BIG DEAL. BUT TO ME IT'S JUST A WHOLE HOST OF PROJECTS [05:35:01] THAT WOULD BE WELL SUITED FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES LIST IN OPINION. WHAT IF IT WAS JUST CLIMATE ACTION PLAN MEETING CLIMATE? I STILL STAND BY THAT. AND I MEAN I'M, I MEAN NO, I GOT IT. IF IT'S SIX TO ONE, THEY'LL WANT IT ON THERE. I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT ABOUT IT. SO I KNOW IT'S NOT A PILL VICE MAYOR. UH, I AGREE THAT THE PRESENTATIONS NEED WORK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PRESENTATION BE HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS AS OPPOSED TO ALL THE PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING ON. WHICH I HAVE NO IDEA IF ANY OF THEM ARE GOING TO HELP US ACHIEVE OUR GOALS. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T GET, THEY DON'T GET UM, LIKE RATED WITH A FOOTPRINT. RIGHT? HERE'S, HERE'S A 5% REDUCTION. THE CAP UPDATES ABSOLUTELY DO. YEAH. THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. IT'S LIKE, AND THAT, IF THAT'S THE BIG POLICY PRIORITY, THEN IT'S, IT'S CLIMATE ACTION GOALS OF 50% BY THREE, UH, 2030. YES. AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN FOCUS. MM-HMM. , THE PROBABLY SEMI-ANNUAL UPDATES ON THAT. I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. YEAH, THAT WORKS. SO THAT'S BACK ON WITH A CHANGE IN ITS NAME. . SO CLIMATE ACTION OBJECTIVES, WHATEVER KAREN WANTS TO CALL IT. CAP CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I WOULD SAY CLIMATE ACTION. OKAY. NEXT. CAN I TALK ABOUT PICKLEBALL? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. SO AGAIN, LIKE WE DID WITH RANGER PARK. GREAT. AND THIS AND PICKLEBALL, IT'S A PROJECT. I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A PROJECT. IT WAS ONE THAT WAS PRIORITIZED BECAUSE OF SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY INTEREST AND SIGNIFICANT TIME THAT WAS SPENT DISCUSSING IT. AND THERE WAS MONEY THAT NEEDS TO GO IN. AND IT REALLY CHANGED THE FACE OF OUR, IN MY OPINION, BIGGEST PARK, OUR MOST USED PARK. 'CAUSE IT HAD THE MOST DIVERSITY. UM, THERE WERE ACTUAL POLICY ISSUES THAT GO INTO THERE. IT TO, TO ME, THIS IS NOT ON THE DONE LIST YET BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT. WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T. WE'RE NOT THAT FAR ALONG. WE'RE NOT WHERE WE ARE. YOU TELL, TELL ME WHERE WE HAVE AN ACTUAL, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BREWER ROAD? NO, PICKLEBALL. PICKLEBALL. PICKLEBALL. PICKLEBALL. I COMPARED IT. I COMPARED IT. SKIPPED. ARE WE CALLED IN ORDER OR NOT? NO, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT. I SAID CAN I TALK ABOUT PICKLEBALL? OKAY. I'M SORRY. AND THEN I, AND THEN YOU PROBABLY HEARD BREWER ROAD, BECAUSE I SAID UNLIKE BREWER ROAD. SO YOU JUST SAW THE PLAN. RIGHT. THERE WILL BE A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. LET THAT YOU GUYS WILL SEE. AND ONCE THAT IS DONE, AND THAT IS APPROVED BECAUSE IT CAN BE STOPPED AT ANY TIME BEFORE THAT, ONCE THAT CONTRACT IS APPROVED, THEN I WOULD BE FINE WITH IT COMING OFF THE LIST. WELL THANK BUT UNTIL IT COMES, UNTIL WE'RE AT THAT POINT, I'M NOT, IT CAN COME OFF THE PRIORITY LIST, BUT STAY AS OUR PROJECT LIST. YEAH. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT A SECOND. WHEN IS THE CONTRACT GONNA BE LET, UM, IT, I'M, I'M JUST GUESSING HERE. I COULD GET YOU A BETTER DATE, BUT I'M, I'M THINKING IT'LL PROBABLY BE LIKE THE SPRINGTIME OR SO SO THEN IT WON'T EVEN BE 20, IT WON'T EVEN MATTER. 20 HOURS. YEAH. I MEAN THEY'RE STILL PROJECTING COMPLETION OF THE CONSTRUCTION BY END OF FISCAL YEAR. YEAH. OKAY. SO CAN I GET A CAVEAT ON THIS THAT IT CAN COME OFF THE LIST? UM, BUT IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEM WITH THE, UH, CONTRACT THAT IT GETS SLOWED, DELAYED, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT GOES BACK ON BECAUSE IT'LL BE AN UNFULFILLED PROJECT, AN UNFULFILLED GOAL. IT MAY BE A PROJECT THAT TAKES ANOTHER 30 OR 60 OR 90 DAYS. BUT WE'RE NOT, IT'S THE, THE PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO BE SABOTAGED. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S, IT'S MOVING FORWARD. CAN WE MOVE IT ONTO THE OTHER INITIATIVES LIST UNTIL THAT TIME THEN? YEAH. NO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT'S JUST NOT ON OUR PRIORITY. I JUST DON'T WANT IT THAT IT'S, IT HASN'T HAPPENED. THERE IS NO CONTRACT IN PLACE. THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS OUR, OUR FACE TO THE COMMUNITY, OUR REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE'D AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD ON. AND IF IT COMES OFF THE LIST BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY IN ON A DOTTED LINE, I JUST DON'T, I, TO ME THAT DOESN'T FEEL APPROPRIATE. I'M FINE WITH IT. MOVING TO THE OTHER INITIATIVES OR SOMETHING AND COMING OFF ONCE THERE'S A CONTRACT, IS THAT A COMPROMISED POSITION? NOT ME. IF I COULD ADD, I JUST, I DO THINK THERE'S SOME OPTICS HERE AND I THINK KATHY'S REACTING TO THAT IN SOME WAYS. WE TALK ABOUT THIS BEING THE PRIORITIES FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT IS IF IN UNDER A TRADITIONAL PLAN, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD RELEASE A DOCUMENT PRETTY QUICKLY ABOUT WHAT WE DID IN THIS MEETING TODAY. MM-HMM. . AND IT WOULD DISAPPEAR AND MM-HMM. IT'S NOT REALLY QUITE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S GOOD TO BE ON THE OTHER LIST AND IT'LL DISAPPEAR. THAT'S FINE. FINE. YOU KNOW, AT THE START OF THE YEAR. AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FROM HERE. SO EVEN THOUGH PART A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PLANNING FOR FISCAL YEAR FOR BUDGET IMPACTS, FOR FINANCIAL PLANNING. THE, THIS, THIS IS WHY [05:40:01] THIS IS A 12 TO 18 MONTH PLANNING PROCESS BECAUSE AS OF JANUARY ONE OF NEXT YEAR, THIS IS A NEW LIST. SO WE WILL MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. OH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR FY 25 LIST. YEAH, IT'S FOR, WE DO A YEAR PROJECT PLANNING AND THEN WE DO THE, THE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS ARE FOR 18 MONTHS, BUT WE UPDATE IT ONCE A YEAR, WHICH MEANS THAT NORMALLY WE DO IT IN JANUARY AND THEN, BUT THAT LEFT COLUMN OF COMPLETED COMES OFF. WE START ANEW WHAT WE DO FROM JANUARY TO DECEMBER OF 2024. SO WE WILL BE MAKING THE CHANGES. SO IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT, GOING TO THE OTHER PROJECTS INITIATIVES LIST, AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE, IT'LL COME OFF. YEP. OKAY. OKAY. I, I'D SAY THE SAME THING. WELL, MAYBE NOT THE SAME THING, BUT I'D SAY FOR BROADBAND THE SAME THING. THAT IT SHOULD PROBABLY GO ON THE OTHER INITIATIVES LIST. 'CAUSE IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PRIORITIZING IN TERMS OF SOMETHING WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH RIGHT AT THE MOMENT WITH MONEY AND POLICY AND WHATEVER. BUT TO NOT LOSE SIGHT IS, DO YOU THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR IT, KAREN? I THINK BROADBAND IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT 6 0 2. I DO TOO. IT'S, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY'VE TOLD US IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. AND THAT'S REALLY THE REASON WE'RE PURSUING IT IS BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SAID OUR SERVICE IS TERRIBLE. WE DESERVE BETTER FIBER TO THE HOME. WE WANT BROADBAND, WE WANT FASTER SPEEDS. AND IT'S PART OF AN ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION INITIATIVE. I WOULD PROBABLY KEEP THIS ONE AT BECAUSE WHEN WE GO OUT, WE, YOU KNOW, LAUREN AND AND ROB DO THEIR COMMUNICATIONS VIDEOS. WE TALK ABOUT ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY AND, AND I THINK THIS ONE IS WORTH MENTIONING. OKAY. YES, I THINK, YEAH, LET'S SEE YOU, LET'S SEE. KATHY, ARE YOU, I DON'T KNOW THAT, SO IT'S STAYING ON THE PRIORITY LIST. YEAH, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. OKAY. NEXT ITEM. SECOND COMMUNICATIONS. AGAIN, I THINK THAT COULD GO ON THE INITIATIVES. 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF. IT'S BEEN A PRIORITY CHANGE. IT'S, IT'S BEEN RESPONDED TO IN SUCH A GREAT WAY. I'M REALLY GRATEFUL, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THAT DEPARTMENT DOES. IT, IT'S LEAPS AND BOUNDS FROM WHERE IT WAS. UM, I THINK WITH EVERYTHING COMING ON WITH TOURISM, THERE'S GONNA BE AN EVEN GREATER NEED TO FOR OUR MESSAGING. UM, AND I, I DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF THAT, SO I'D LIKE IT TO MOVE TO THE OTHER INITIATIVES LIST. OH, NOT PRIORITY, RIGHT? OH, JESSICA, DO YOU WANT TO YEAH, I JUST THINK IT WAS A BIG PROBLEM. I THINK IT'S BEEN SOLVED. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE HAVE, THERE'S, IT'S SOLVING IT. NO, BUT IT'S AN ONGOING PROJECT NOW. AN ONGOING FUNCTION OF THE CITY AND I DON'T THINK IT GOES ON ANY, ON THE SECOND LIST EITHER. I DON'T WANT EVERYTHING JUST TO BE MOVED FROM THE FIRST LIST TO THE SECOND LIST. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, IT WAS A PROBLEM. THAT'S WHY IT WAS ON THE LIST. I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN THE PROBLEM OF A LACK OF A WAY TO COMMUNICATE HAS BEEN SOLVED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THIS. AND IT'S SHOWN ITS WORK. SO I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ON ANY LIST NOW. IT'S AN ONGOING CITY, UM, FUNCTION AND, AND WHATEVER HAS TO DO WITH TOURISM AND MARKETING WILL BE HANDLED IN THE TOURISM PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE PRIORITY. SO I THINK IT REALLY HAS TO COME OFF. I MEAN, I REALLY DO. OKAY. I I CAN AGREE WITH, UH, AND IT, IT'S DRAMATIC IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THAT? MM-HMM. WITH COMMUNICATION. SO YES. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT I CAN COME OFF TOTALLY. THUMBS, THUMBS UNANIMOUS. AGREE. THANKS KATHY. IT COMES OFF. UH, NO, BUT I'M FINE THEN I'M OKAY. IT COMES OFF. OKAY. IT COMES OFF. OKAY. NEXT. AIRPORT. AIRPORT. AIRPORT. AIRPORT. THAT'S THE PRIORITY. BECAUSE THAT'S AN ONGOING, I I SEE. UNTIL THEY MAKE A DECISION OR WE GET THAT REPORT, THAT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR US BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UM, I JUST FEEL SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD KEEP ON THE LIST FOR NOW. UH, JUSTIN. YEAH. I I I THINK IT BELONGS ON OUR OTHER PROJECTS. I DON'T THINK IT'S CRITICAL. IT COULD, I MEAN IT, WHATEVER WAY IT, IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT, IT BECOMES A BIG ISSUE RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE DOING. WE DON'T KNOW. I DON'T SEE THIS RISING [05:45:01] TO THE LEVEL. THERE'S NO POLICY DECISIONS TO BE MADE, NO MONEY TO BE PUT ASIDE, NO DECISIONS TO BE MADE. SO I REALLY THINK IT BELONGS ON THE OTHER INITIATIVES. I THOUGHT THERE ARE DECISIONS TO BE MADE. YEAH. WELL, NOT YET. YOU'RE SAYING IN THIS PLAN, IN THIS PROJECT PLANNING PERIOD, YES. THERE WILL BE DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE AND RATHER COMPLEX ONES. I WELL THEN IT DOES BELONG ON PRIORITIES. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU. NO, I SHE SAID IT. I THANK YOU. I FEEL THE SAME WAY SHE SAID IT AND IT MAKES YOU MAKE SENSE OF OUT OF IT. THAT'S RIGHT. . OKAY. NEXT. SHORT TERM RENTALS. SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO KAREN MADE THE CASE, I THINK, BETTER THAN I EVER COULD. THIS IS, THIS IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT OF IT. THESE ARE BIG POLICY ISSUES THAT GO TO LOCAL CONTROL. I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN A DRIVING FORCE FOR US. HOW DO WE NOT SAY THIS HAS HAD THE BIGGEST IMPACT ECONOMICALLY ON OUR COMMUNITY? 16 POINT HALF PERCENT OF OUR HOUSING STOCK GONE. HOW DOES WE NOT RETAIN THIS AS A, ON OUR PRIORITY LIST, AS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH FROM A POLICY POINT OF VIEW, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE NAME. YEAH. SHORT TERM TERM LEGISLATION OR, OR LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY. BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO KEEP STR IN THERE THOUGH IN THERE TOO. YES. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT? I THINK SO, YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN I, I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE AND, BUT I'M LOOKING, THINKING BACK WHEN YOU TELL SOMEBODY, OH, IT'S NO LONGER A PRIORITY, IT'S, BUT IT'S A PROJECT 'CAUSE IT'S MOVING FORWARD ANYWAY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ELEVATE TO THAT. I'M, I'M AFRAID THAT SOMEBODY WOULD SAY IT'S NOT A PRIORITY AND I AGREE WITH THAT. THEY COULD SAY THAT ABOUT EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS OR ANYTHING. SO I REALLY THINK, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A FRONT A PUBLIC DOCUMENT AND HAS THAT, THIS LIST HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES. SO, UM, I CERTAINLY THINK SHORT TERM LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM, MIDDLE LEGISLATION IS, IS HAS TO REMAIN ON THERE. I AGREE. I THINK SO. I THINK THAT THAT NOW MEANS THERE ARE NINE PRIORITIES. TRAFFIC TRANSIT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, CULTURAL PARK, TOURISM, CLIMATE ACTION OBJECTIVES, WHICH WE RENAMED BROADBAND AIRPORT AND SHORT-TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION. MM-HMM. IT WOULD BE RENAMED AND TWO ITEMS HAVE MOVED TO THE INITIATIVES LIST, WHICH ARE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PICKLEBALL AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS COME OFF. DID YOU SAY ERP WENT TO OTHER PROJECT PRIORITY LIST? DID YOU SAY IT? I THOUGHT I DID IF I DIDN'T. I'M SORRY. JOANNE HAS IT QUESTION. UH, THREE ITEMS WENT TO OTHER PROJECT INITIATIVES. UM, ERP WHAT WAS THAT? ERP, RIGHT? PICKLEBALL. OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHAT ABOUT URBAN DESIGN? HOLD ON JUST ONE SEC. I'M SORRY. KAREN, CAN YOU, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THE REVISED TITLES ARE RIGHT. CAN YOU JUST DEAL WITH THAT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MUCH. OKAY. UM, THE URBAN DESIGN IS SOMETHING, IS THAT A PRIORITY? NO. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S A BUDGET ISSUE, RIGHT? IT'S A DIRECTIVE, IT'S A DIRECTION, YEAH. IT'S NOT A PRIORITY. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? DOES IT BELONG ON THE OTHER LIST OR NO? NO, IT DOESN'T. IT'S JUST AN INTERNAL, AN INTERNAL FUNCTION OF, OF WHAT CITY DEPARTMENT DOES. OKAY. WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT THE, UH, VISITOR CENTER BELONGS ANYWHERE ON THE LIST? THE VISITOR CENTER? NO, IT GOES UNDER TO ME UNDER OUR DISCUSSION OF WE ALREADY HAVE TOURISM ON HERE AND THAT WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF THAT, A SUBCATEGORY OR SOMETHING. OKAY. SO WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT. UH, NOW WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE, UH, RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WENT A LOT EASIER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD. . OKAY. SO WHO'S GOING TO BRING THAT UP TO START WITH THAT? KAREN? OH, GO AHEAD. NO, I WAS, YEAH, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT, UM, WAS DECIDED THAT WOULD BE CHANGED WOULD THAT WE WOULD BE CONSOLIDATING THE SUMMARY OF EVENTS AND THE REPORTS ON COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. AND IF YOU GIVE THAT DIRECTION, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE. WAIT A MINUTE. SO SAY ONE MORE TIME THE TWO THINGS. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS AND REPORTS ON COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. COMBINE THEM TOGETHER. OKAY. I JUST WANT, AND, AND MOVE TO NUMBER FIVE. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT CHANGE ON THE AGENDAS. UM, AND I'LL BRING BACK AN ACTUAL AMENDMENT AT SOME POINT FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE. OKAY. AND THE INDIGENOUS LANDS PEOPLE THAT DOESN'T BELONG ANYWHERE HERE BECAUSE THAT'S JUST, UH, SOMETHING THAT WILL BRING FORWARD TO YOU TO PUT. OKAY. OKAY. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? UNANIMOUS. WHOA, JOE. OKAY. [05:50:02] AND THAT COVERS IT. WOW. PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ANYTHING ELSE KAREN? ANYTHING THAT WE MAY HAVE MISSED? , IS THERE A STONE UNTURNED? YEAH, I MEAN WE CAN, WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT ANYTHING. YEAH, JUST THROW ANY TOPIC OUT THERE. . ALRIGHT. UH, BRIAN, MELISSA. OKAY. HEARING [5. ADJOURNMENT] NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. I'M SHOCKED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.