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          [1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
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CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          IT'S TUESDAY, JANUARY 16TH, 2024, 4:30 PM I'LL RISE PLEASE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          CHAIR LEVIN. 
          HERE. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          HOSNI. 
          HOSSEINI. 
          HERE. 
          HOSSEINI. 
          SORRY. 
          . 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MARTIN. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEEL. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER BRAM? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER HURST. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER ESKI HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOVE 
          [2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. 
          I HAVE NONE. 
          STAFF. 
          MM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF. 
          UH, CHAIR, COMMISSIONER. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE. 
          WE DO HAVE A NEW ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WHO MAY BE HELPING OUT ON OCCASION. 
          MONIQUE CODY. 
          SHE'S HERE, UM, SITTING OVER HERE. 
          OH. 
          SO I WANT TO JUST INTRODUCE HER TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY, MY PHONE RANG AT THAT EXACT MOMENT. 
          WHAT IS HER NAME? MONIQUE. 
          CODY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME, MONIQUE. 
          MOVING ON 
          [3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
TO NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES FOR THE NUMBER NOVEMBER 21, 23 REGULAR MEETING AND THE NOVEMBER 21, 23 SITE VISIT. 
          IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, UM, THEY STAND APPROVED. 
          UM, MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM. 
          THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 3 1 0.018. 
          ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE. 
          AND WE HAVE NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE, SO I SUSPECT WE HAVE NO GUARDS. 
          SO I'LL CLOSE THAT, UH, AGENDA ITEM AND MOVE ON 
          [5. Discussion of the December 2023 Draft of the Sedona Community Plan.]
TO THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S NUMBER FIVE. 
          DISCUSSION, WELL, OTHER THAN FUTURE MEETINGS, UM, BUT ACT, UH, NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSSION OF THE DECEMBER 23 DRAFT OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          AND I, I JUST WANTED TO OPEN WITH A FEW REMARKS TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS AND THE PUBLIC THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, FOR THE THOUSANDS OF HOURS THAT WENT INTO DEVELOPING THIS FIRST DRAFT FOR OUR REVIEW. 
          UM, AND ALL OF THE PUBLIC THAT SHOWED UP AT THE MANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FORMS. I WENT TO THE ONE LAST SAT THURSDAY, NO, THURSDAY, I GUESS IT WAS. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          KEEP MY CALENDAR . 
          UH, AND IT WAS SUPERB, UH, AND I SAW A LOT OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS THERE AS WELL. 
          I HOPE YOU ALL GOT TO ONE OR THE OTHER OF THOSE, UM, IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          AND I, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE BREADTH AND DEPTH, UH, THE QUALITY OF ANALYSIS AND THE WRITING IN THIS FIRST DRAFT IS EXCEPTIONAL, AND YOU MAKE OUR WORK A LOT EASIER. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU'VE GIVEN US A ROADMAP FOR, UH, IMPLEMENTATION AND THE CITY. 
          UH, AND I THINK SOME OF US, AT LEAST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT, TALK MORE ABOUT THE ACTION ITEMS THAT, UH, OCCUR IN EACH OF THOSE CHAPTERS. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE OSTENSIBLY WE'RE TAKING THIS COMMUNITY PLAN WHEN, WHEN IT GETS IMPLEMENTED. 
          UM, ON MY, UM, SPEAKING TO MY OWN EXPERIENCE TO PREPARE FOR THIS MEETING, I KIND OF WENT HA,  WHERE TO START. 
          AND, UH, CHARLOTTE AND I CHATTED A BIT AND, AND I DID WITH CYNTHIA AS WELL AT THE MEETING. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS THAT EACH OF US HAD WITH STAFF WERE EXCEPTIONALLY HELPFUL. 
          UM, I, 
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WE, WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. 
          AND, UH, I THINK IT WAS A EXCELLENT WAY TO TEAM UP AND HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS WITH STAFF TO GO THROUGH THE PRINCIPAL IN, UH, AREAS OF INTEREST TO EACH OF US. 
          SO I FOUND THAT REALLY HELPFUL. 
          UM, AND I THOUGHT THAT THOSE FORUMS WERE VERY HELPFUL AND SHARPENING MY EYES TOWARDS, UM, THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU WANTED THE PUBLIC TO REACT TO AND RESPOND TO, WHICH I GUESS, UH, FOR THE MOST PART WERE THE, SOME OF THE KEY ITEMS. UM, HOUSING CERTAINLY WAS EMPHASIZED A LOT AT THAT. 
          UM, I REREAD, I REREAD THE DRAFT AGAIN. 
          UM, PERHAPS OTHERS HAVE VIEWED, DID THE SAME. 
          AND I LOOKED AT THE COMMENTS THAT WERE EMBEDDED IN THE DRAFT THAT YOU SENT OUT TO US, WHICH WAS, UM, ENLIGHTENING. 
          AND LASTLY, I COMPARED IT TO THE 2013 PLAN, BUT NOT, I DID NOT REREAD THE 2013 PLAN, BUT I WAS LOOKING FOR THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT WERE GOING TO BE CARRIED FORWARD, AS WELL AS IF OR NOT THE VISION STATEMENT CHANGED AND OTHER THINGS. 
          AND THE VISION STATEMENT IS NEARLY IDENTICAL, WHICH IS, I THINK TO BE EXPECTED, UM, BEFORE SYMPHONY SYMPHONY, CYNTHIA. 
          UM, LEADS, LEADS US OFF WITH A PRESENTATION I WANTED JUST TO SUGGEST, AND I WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS, UH, FOR, UM, OUR REVIEW AND COMMENTS TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND A POSSIBLE CONTINUANCE IF, UH, WE FEEL WE NEED IT AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THROUGH ALL, ALL OF IT TO, UM, WORK THROUGH THE KEY ISSUES, SEE IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS THERE. 
          THE VISION ITSELF, THE CORE VALUES AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          AND I'D ASK YOU, AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW THIS ALREADY, TO SAVE ANY GRAMMATICAL, CLERICAL MISSING WORDS, MISSING THOUGHTS, UM, FROM THIS REVIEW. 
          AND YOU COULD JUST FOLLOW UP DIRECTLY WITH STAFF ON THAT IF YOU HAVE IT SEPARATELY ALREADY. 
          UM, AND I THINK MOST OF THE TIME WE'LL BE SPENDING, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, GOING THROUGH THE CHAPTERS FROM, I'M CALLING THEM CHAPTERS FROM COMMUNITY TO ECONOMY AND TOURISM WITH AN EMPHASIS ON THE ANALYSIS AND THE ACTION STEPS. 
          SO IF ANY, ANY ONE OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT APPROACH OR SUGGEST ANOTHER WAY, I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO HEARING THAT NOW. 
          I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE I SECOND THAT APPROACH. 
          WHAT'S THAT? I SECOND THAT APPROACH. 
          IT'S BROAD. 
          I THINK IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD APPROACH IF I GET INTO THE WEEDS TOO MUCH. 
          WE, YES. 
          JUST KICK ME. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          I THINK WE WANNA AVOID THE WEEDS FOR SURE. 
           AND ANYONE ELSE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, CYNTHIA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US OFF THEN? AND WELCOME FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS WORKS, . 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M NOT REALLY GONNA GIVE MUCH OF A PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE WANT AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE TO HEAR FROM YOU. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I WILL GO OVER JUST SOME NOTES, UM, TO KEEP IN MIND. 
          AND THE FIRST POINT IS OUR CURRENT, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PLANNING PROCESS AND WHERE WE ARE IN THAT. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN THE 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD, AND THE 60 DAYS, UH, IS REALLY INTENDED FOR PARTNER AGENCIES TO COMMENT, UM, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC. 
          SO WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE WEEKS TO GO. 
          UH, WE ARE GETTING COMMENTS COMING IN PRETTY MUCH DAILY ON THE WEBSITE ITSELF. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW ON THE WEBSITE, UH, THE DOCUMENT, THE DRAFT PLAN ITSELF HAS HAD 1,772 VIEWS, WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE ARE 638 COMMENTS BY 19 PEOPLE. 
          SO SAY THAT LAST NUMBER AGAIN. 
          638 COMMENTS MADE BY 19 PEOPLE. 
          AND I THINK WHAT'S MOST INTERESTING IS THE 1700 VIEWS, BUT ONLY 19 PEOPLE CHOSE TO WRITE A COMMENT. 
          SO HOWEVER YOU MIGHT INTERPRET THAT. 
          UM, AND I CHECKED LIKE AN HOUR AGO, AND THERE'S ONE MORE PERSON THAT MADE A COMMENT . 
          UH, AND THEN, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE TWO PUBLIC FORUMS, UH, LAST WEEK. 
          AND PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT AT THOSE. 
          I THINK 
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OVERALL ROUGHLY 200 PEOPLE, UM, IS WHAT WE HAD ATTEND, AND WE HEARD VERY GOOD THINGS, WHICH IS NICE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAD SOME INTERESTING FEEDBACK. 
          UH, WE HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING YET, OTHERWISE I COULD SHARE SOME OF THE RESULTS, LIKE OF THE, THE POLLS THAT WE HAD GOING. 
          UM, AND SO JUST A RECAP OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND THINGS THAT WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO GET INTO TODAY, FOR ONE REASON IS THAT WE HAD THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL. 
          UM, AND SO SOME OF THOSE SMALLER ITEMS THAT YOU DISCUSSED AT OUR MEETINGS, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO TODAY. 
          UM, AND AS CHAIR LEVIN MENTIONED, WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO EDITING. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THAT AND WE'RE AWARE OF OUR TYPOS, ET CETERA. 
          UM, FORMATTING, WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW SUGGESTIONS AND WE PLAN TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL HELP WITH CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND THEN SIMILAR WITH THE GRAPHICS, WHERE WE HAVE CHARTS, WE HAVE COMMENTS ON THOSE, WE HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT OTHER THINGS WE MAY WANT TO ADD. 
          UM, AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT, UM, RENDITION OF THE PLAN. 
          AND LET'S SEE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO TODAY'S WORK SESSION IS NOT TO COVER THOSE SMALLER ITEMS. UM, BUT WHAT WE WANNA DO IS FOCUS ON THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CONTENT CHANGES, UM, ESPECIALLY POLICIES AND ACTIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN ANOTHER, UM, POINT TO MAKE IS, AS YOU'RE DISCUSSING THIS, BE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU AS COMMISSIONERS MIGHT BE USING THE PLAN IN THE FUTURE, UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN EVERYONE ELSE ON HOW THE PLAN IS USED. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE REVIEWING A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, HOW MIGHT YOU USE A POLICY TO HELP GUIDE A DECISION, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS WHAT'S NEXT, SO AFTER THIS, THE FEBRUARY 20TH PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE THE FORMAL REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND FOR THAT, WE WILL HAVE A PRETTY LARGE STAFF REPORT THAT WILL INCLUDE ALL OF THE BACKGROUND INFO IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING WHY YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY. 
          UM, BUT THAT WOULD INCLUDE A SUMMARY OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, UM, AND THEN SEPARATED OUT ALL OF THE COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT PLAN. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE A LIST OF CHANGES, UH, THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM THE 2013 PLAN, AS WELL AS ANY CHANGES, UH, BETWEEN THIS DRAFT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND WE'LL HAVE, OR LIKE A DRAFT TOO, UM, FOR YOU TO LOOK AT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 20TH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND PEOPLE CAN ALSO WRITE IN LETTERS IN ADVANCE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO THE MEETING TO SPEAK. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          WE WILL GO OVER THE CHANGES, AND THEN IT'S THE COMMISSION'S TIME TO DECIDE ON CHANGES TO THE PLAN. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD GET TO A POINT OF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL, YOU MAY HAVE A LIST OF, WE RECOMMEND IT WITH THESE CHANGES. 
          IT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT'S APPROACHED. 
          YOU CAN ALSO NOT RECOMMEND IT  OR YOU COULD CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. 
          SO, SO THAT IS AN IDEA OF WHAT'S COMING ON FEBRUARY 20TH. 
          UM, AND THIS IS ALSO FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING THIS AND IS NOT HERE TODAY, JUST TO KIND OF LET THEM KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT'S NEXT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION THEN. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OUT OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, THEN YOU'LL TURN AROUND AND DO ANOTHER DRAFT FOR THE 20TH. 
          YES. 
          WE WILL TAKE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE THE EDITING AND THE FORMATTING CHANGES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN WE WILL HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING THAT IS KIND OF SUBSTANTIVE, UM, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT ARE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD. 
          AND, AND IF I MAY, UH, CHAIR IT WILL BE MORE THAN JUST TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S STILL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE NEXT 16, 15 DAYS THAT 
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WE HAVE FROM THE PUBLIC OUTREACH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND, AND ALL THAT CULMINATING INTO A SECOND DRAFT. 
          BUT TO BE CLEAR, IF WE MAKE SUBSTANTIVE, LET'S SAY, UH, SUGGESTIONS AND REVISIONS OR INTERPRETATION OR EXPANSION OF THE ANALYSIS AROUND THE POLICY, YOU WILL TAKE THAT IF THERE'S CONSENSUS HERE, AND YOU AGREE, UH, YOU WILL TAKE THAT INTO THE SECOND GRAPH DRAFT FOR THE 20TH? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN IT TO BE CUMBERSOME, JUST I WANTED CLARITY ON WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT WITH RESPECT TO THAT SECOND DRAFT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF I COULD ASK, UM, ON THE SECOND DRAFT IN THE, WHAT I'M ASSUMING THIS COULD BE A HUMONGOUS PACKET, WE'RE GONNA RECEIVE  YES. 
          1700 COMMENTS. 
          , HOW LONG WILL WE HA OR HOW , HOW FAR IN ADVANCE WILL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO BEGIN LOOKING AT THAT? REVIEWING THAT? BEFORE THE 20TH? YES. 
          BEFORE THE 20TH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WERE HOPEFULLY NOT THE 19TH . 
          WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER TODAY. 
          UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT FEBRUARY 8TH. 
          UM, SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FROM THE EIGHTH TO THE 20TH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S GENEROUS. 
          OH, WELL. 
          AND THEN TAKE IT BACK ON PIGGYBACK ON WHAT GEORGE'S, UM, COMMENT IS. 
          WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY OR AN INTEREST IN HAVING A WORK SESSION? I MEAN, WITH EVERYBODY, NOT SIX OF THEM, UM, TO SEE IT, I, I, I FEEL A, UH, A BIG RESPONSIBILITY TO ASSIMILATE ALL THAT AND VOTE ON IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN THE SAME MEETING. 
          IT MAY NOT COME OUT LIKE I WAS EXPECTING ANYWAY. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IF A WORK SESSION WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ALSO, UM, AS TO FORMAT, WE'LL COME BACK AND DISCUSS THAT. 
          WILL YOU DO A RED LINE VERSION SO WE WILL SEE THE CHANGES AND DON'T HAVE TO REREAD THE ENTIRETY? YES. 
          UM, NOT SURE IF IT WILL BE LIKE A TRADITIONAL RED LINE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN WORD. 
          UM, IF WE DON'T DO DO IT IN THAT MANNER, WE WOULD HAVE A LIST OF CHANGES AND PAGE REFERENCES. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK FOR MY PART, I DON'T WANNA REREAD IT. 
          NO. 
          BUT IF WE COULD GET INTO THE CHANGES EASILY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AS TO, UM, IT'S HARD TO KNOW, I GUESS IF WE NEED A WORK SESSION. 
          IT'S HARD TO, IT IS HARD TO KNOW. 
          BUT, UM, AND, AND MAYBE THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IS FEBRUARY 20TH A HARD DATE? BECAUSE IF, UM, PERHAPS THAT MEETING DOESN'T ENABLE US TO REACH A CONCLUSION, COULD THAT BE CONTINUED? MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY AROUND THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          THEY CAN BE CONTINUED. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE TONIGHT, BUT YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          IN LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS, WE ARE GOING THROUGH CODING AND CATEGORIZING AND, UH, THE MAJORITY ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF EDITING, FORMATTING COMMENTS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF MORE EDITORIAL LIKE, I LIKE THIS OR I DON'T LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT I KIND OF THINK IT MIGHT BE A RELATIVELY SHORT LIST OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES COMING FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION AND OR THE PUBLIC. 
          WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DECISION? BUT, SO I, I GUESS THE HARD, HARD DATE THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH IS MARCH 12TH. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S A DATE THAT CAN'T MOVE. 
          WE WOULD RATHER NOT . 
          SO I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE MARCH 12TH IS COUNCIL. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          SO THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM AFTER THE 20TH. 
          NOT A LOT TO GET IT IN FOR THE RIGHT MARCH 12TH. 
          BUT IT, IT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO STICK TO DESIGNATED P AND Z MEETINGS IF WE NEEDED TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY. 
          WELL, AND THAT PROBABLY COMES TO YOUR SUGGESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE ALL OVER THE 13TH, PERHAPS THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY WOULD BE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE EVER DONE WHERE WE HAD A WORK SESSION ON A MM-HMM. 
          , WHAT IS IT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          A DIFFERENT, UH, THAN NORMAL. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE STOPPED DOING WORK, WORK SESSIONS, UM, PRIOR TO THE 
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FULL MEETINGS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D, I MEAN, WE WOULD CALL ANOTHER MEETING, WE COULD CONDUCT OURSELVES AS THOUGH WE'RE A WORK SESSION, BUT IT WOULD EITHER BE A CONTINUANCE OR A NEW MEETING. 
          IS THAT WHAT WE WERE GONNA SAY, CARRIE? NO, . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR AGENDA, JUST FUTURE READING DATES AT THE END OF THE AGENDA. 
          BUT, UM, YOU HAVE ONE OTHER SCHEDULED MEETING IS THIS, UM, AND THAT IS THE MEETING THAT YOU CONTINUED THE UM, SADDLE ROCK SADDLE ROCK CROSSING TOO. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK WHEN WE HAVE ONE OTHER THING ON THAT AGENDA. 
          YOU CAN, AND THAT WOULD BE BEFORE THAT EIGHTH DATE THAT OF CYNTHIA'S GOAL TO GET THE COMMUNITY PLAN OUT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR ONLY OTHER REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THE 20TH. 
          THE, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU A MINUTE? WHICH, UH, PROJECT, UM, THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROJECT FOR THE CULTURAL PARK. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND WHEN IS THAT, WHEN IS THAT CALENDAR FOR THOSE, THOSE ARE BOTH SCHEDULED FOR THE SIXTH AND THE OTHER, THE, THE VILLAGE AT SALVA ROCK CROSSING THAT WAS CONTINUED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE TUESDAY AFTER THAT IS A COUNCIL MEETING DATE. 
          AND SO WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE SCHEDULING ANYTHING FOR THAT. 
          COUNCIL USUALLY DOES THOSE TUESDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO THE THURSDAY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE IF YOU GUYS ARE AVAILABLE TO DO A WORK SESSION. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO THAT ON A THURSDAY BEFORE THE TUESDAY MEETING. 
          BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, BASICALLY BASED ON THE SCHEDULE, IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING AND STICK TO MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE 20TH, UM, THERE WOULD BE A, A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          THE OTHER OPTION IS TO, I THINK AS CYNTHIA HAS, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED FOR TONIGHT IS TO POTENTIALLY CONTINUE IT TO TOMORROW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO YOU COULD DO THAT AGAIN. 
          THE 20TH AND THE 21ST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          KATHY, CAN I, YES. 
          I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR WHAT THE INTENTION OF THIS IS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, CHARLOTTE AND I SPENT THREE AND A HALF HOURS TODAY IN A WORK SESSION GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, I MEAN, IS THE INTENTION TONIGHT, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA REGURGITATE ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IF WE ALL DO WHATEVER, WE WILL BE HERE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW MORNING. 
          SO IS THE INTENTION THAT WE TALK ABOUT JUST THE BIG SORT OF UMBRELLA ISSUES OR, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH. 
          YES, THERE IS. 
          UM, AND I THOUGHT IF WE USE THE FRAMEWORK THAT I OUTLINED, WE COULD TAKE EACH CHAPTER, UM, AND, UH, SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OUTSTANDING OR ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT DESERVE DISCUSSION AT THE COMMISSION, FULL COMMISSION LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD, 'CAUSE YOU MAY HAVE HAD YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. 
          AND, AND SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, AND I KNOW THAT I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR, FOR INSTANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          JOE WILL ATTEST TO THAT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WAS CHANGING. 
          THERE MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT INTERESTS AT THIS END OF THE TABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE A COMMONALITY OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT WE SHARED AND HAD, UM, WHAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF WERE. 
          SO I SEE YOU'D, I SEE YOU'D LIKE TO STREAMLINE IT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A COMMUNAL COMMITMENT AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          TO BE ABLE TO, UM, AS A FULL BODY OKAY. 
          TO REVIEW IT AND PASS IT ON. 
          CAN I, CAN I ANSWER? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM. 
          , CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP ON THAT? YEAH. 
          BECAUSE I KIND OF FEEL THE SAME WAY AS SARAH DOES. 
          WE GOT IN THE WEEDS IN MY MEETING AS WELL. 
          UM, IS, CAN I PROPOSE NOW THAT I'VE DIGESTED YOUR SUGGESTION, THAT STAFF TELL US AT THE START WHAT THE BIG PICTURE FEEDBACK THEY GOT FROM ALL OF US AT EACH CHAPTER AND THEN WE GET INTO ANYTHING WE THINK IS ADDITIONALLY IMPORTANT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, CYNTHIA, TELL US LIKE, THIS WAS THE BROAD THEMES OF ALL OF YOUR MEETINGS FROM THIS CHAPTER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WE GET THOSE LITTLE POINTS BECAUSE NOT A BAD IDEA. 
          THEY ARE THE ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO KNOW ALL THE THINGS. 
          , ARE YOU, ARE YOU PREPARED? DO YOU HAVE THAT? I MEAN, AND IT COULD, TO ME IT'S VERY ISH LIKE, HEY, WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WE NEED TO COVER THIS MORE IN DEPTH. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE, SURE. 
          AND, AND IN HOPES THAT COULD THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO REGURGITATE THEIR THREE HOUR MEETING THAT THEY HAD EARLIER OR, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT THAT WE ALL NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE CONTENT IS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WHEN WE GET ALL THEIR BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT FEEDBACK CHANGES, YOU'RE SAYING THAT STAFF STAFF MAY WELL BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          DO YOU HAVE A SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU HEARD FROM US INDIVIDUALLY THAT WOULD LEND TO THAT KIND OF SHARING TONIGHT? I HAVE ALL OF THE NOTES. 
          UM, ANOTHER POSSIBLE APPROACH WOULD BE TO BRING UP THE ISSUES THAT EVERYONE KEEP, KEEPS BRINGING UP AND SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THOSE. 
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OKAY. 
          AND A QUICK RUNDOWN OF THAT TYPE OF THING WOULD BE THE DELLS FOREST SERVICE LAND SWAP. 
          WHAT ELSE? HEIGHT THAT WOULD COME UP IN LAND USE. 
          IN THE LAND USE. 
          THERE'S A HANDFUL, PRINCIPALLY, HANDFUL OF ITEMS. UHHUH, UM, HEALTHCARE SCHOOLS, ANNEXATION, ANNEXATION. 
          SOME, SOME OF THESE ITEMS. MAYBE THEY'RE NOT IN HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY OR JURISDICTION. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO LET'S USE THE BROAD FRAMEWORK THAT I SUGGESTED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          BUT LEAD WITH YOU ON WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE, THAT'S, UH, GERMANE TO THAT PER CHAPTER SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          IS THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTIONS. 
          ANOTHER ONE, , I FEEL A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE IN TERMS OF EVEN ASK ASKING THIS, BUT, UM, DO YOU HAVE A, A SENSE, UH, FROM THE CITY COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE COME MARCH IF THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WE DON'T LIKE THIS. 
          I MEAN, HAVE YOU HAD ANY FEEDBACK OR NO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WHERE WE COULD SIT DOWN WITH THEM. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET. 
          YOU MEAN THE TWO ON TWO OR, RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS VERY VALUABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE INTENT OF IS NO ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. 
          I COULD TRY. 
          IT WAS A JOHNNY CARSON CARAC. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PULL OUT YOUR PLANS AND I WILL FIRST ASK, UM, CYNTHIA, IF, UM, LEMME GET BACK TO MY NOTES IF YOU HEARD ANY, UM, ANYTHING ABOUT, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE KEY ISSUES AND WAS THERE CONSENSUS OR WAS THERE SHOCK? WAS THERE, I HAVE TO SAY FOR MYSELF, I WAS SURPRISED THAT THE OHVS, UH, WERE ELEVATED TO A COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, DOCUMENT BECAUSE, UM, I DIDN'T SEE IT AS AN OVERARCHING ISSUE MYSELF. 
          AND, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A 10 YEAR ISSUE, WHICH THIS DOCUMENT IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS OVER TIME. 
          AND IT'S EXTRA JURISDICTIONAL IN ITS SCOPE. 
          UM, AND THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY CONSIDERED IT IN DEPTH. 
          SO, UM, I'LL JUST SAY FOR MY PART, UH, AMONG THE THREE THAT WERE LISTED SDRS OVER TOURISM AND NO HVS, UM, I WAS JUST SURPRISED AT THAT. 
          AND WHAT DID YOU HEAR FROM US COLLECTIVELY? I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE, LET'S JUST CHECK REAL QUICK SPECIFIC NOTES FROM COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFIC FROM COMMISSIONERS, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WHY IT'S IN HERE IS THAT IT, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, IT'S IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          TOP THREE, FOUR ISSUES. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO DOUBT. 
          NO DOUBT. 
          AND ALSO TO MAKE THAT POINT OF WHERE OUR JURISDICTION IS OR IS NOT RIGHT. 
          AS A, IT RELATES TO THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
           KIND OF FOLLOWING UP AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHEN I CAN SAY SO. 
          WELL ANYWAY, , WHEN I'M GONNA CALL WEEDS . 
          IF AN OH IF THE OHV IS A, AN OVERARCHING KEY ISSUE, WHY DON'T WE SEE IT ELSEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT? WHERE, WHERE WOULD IT FALL? YOU KNOW, WITH PRIORITY OR PO POLICIES AND ACTION STEPS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          IT IS UNDER THE ENVIRONMENT SECTION UNDER RECREATION NATIONAL RESOURCES. 
          YEAH. 
          NATURAL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I DON'T, DO YOU HAVE A PAGE REFERENCE? 
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UH, RECREATION IS ON PAGE 79. 
          AND LET'S SEE, I THINK BOTH OF THE POLICIES RELATE BACK TO THE OHVS. 
          UM, IN PARTICULAR, THIS GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE IS WORKING ON THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL, I WOULD SAY IF IT, AGAIN, IF IT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF A KEY ISSUE MM-HMM. 
           IN THE DOCUMENT, THE WORDS AREN'T EVEN ON PAGE 79. 
          I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOME INDIRECT REFERENCE TO IT, BUT THERE'S KIND OF A MISMATCH MAYBE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, AND THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS, IF YOU ALL DON'T FEEL THAT IT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF A KEY ISSUE IN THE INTRODUCTION, WE, WE CAN DOWNGRADE IT AND PUT IT AS A KEY ISSUE UNDER RECREATION. 
          I THINK I'D BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING, I THINK I'D BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT UNDER RECREATION IF WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THEM SOME CONSENSUS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DON'T, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANNA DISALLOW ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT APPARENTLY, UM, MADE IT SO, YEAH. 
          SO, UM, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO THINK THAT THROUGH CAREFULLY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. 
          UM, AND IF IT GETS ADDRESSED IN, IN AN ACTIONABLE WAY, IF WE CAN SEE IT IN ACTIONS ON THAT PAGE, IF WE CAN SEE A POLICY THAT, UM, CALLS OUT THE, UM, DIRECTION WE WANT, UM, THAT WHOLE RECREATIONAL ELEMENT TO TAKE, UM, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, OF DOWNGRADING IT AND ADDRESSING IT IN UNDER THIS CHAPTER. 
          BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES IS A, YOU KNOW, TOP THREE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR CITIZENS. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT RECREATION MANAGEMENT AND WHAT IT STATES, IT DOES DISCUSS NOT ONLY OUR OHV ISSUE, BUT OUR ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, TRAIL, UM, OH, DEGRADING BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, NON-ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. 
          SO REALLY THE TOP THREE ISSUES IS RECREATIONAL MANAGEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WHERE? OH SO I WOULD PUT RECREATIONAL MANAGEMENT AS THE NUMBER THREE ISSUE, AND THEN O HVS BEING AN EXAMPLE OF THE PARTNERSHIP. 
          AND SO, 'CAUSE WE REALLY, LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS. 
          LET'S SAY THERE'S NO MORE OHS IN FIVE YEARS, WE STILL HAVE RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THIS HAS BEEN A CONTINUOUS THEME FROM THE ORIGINAL COMMUNITY PLAN AND PRIOR TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN WITH STAFF WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA FOR SEVERAL DECADES. 
          SO WHY NOT MAKE IT CHANGE IT THAT WAY? AND THEN YOU'RE ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE. 
          ONE COULD ALSO SAY OVERT TOURISM ADDRESSES IT TO SOME YEAH. 
          BUT THEN YEAH, THERE'S SOME CROSSOVER. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S A CROSSOVER FOR SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I WORRY ABOUT PICKING ONE ITEM AS A KEY ISSUE. 
          LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A RECREATIONAL MANAGEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           BEING A TOP THREE CONCERN. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT CLEARLY, THE PUBLIC DIDN'T SAY IT WAS RECREATION MANAGEMENT, THEY SAID SPECIFICALLY IT WAS OHVS, BUT WE'RE ALSO, BUT LET'S SEE WHERE WE HAVE CONSENSUS COLLIE. 
          I I WAS ALSO GONNA SAY IT'S A, A TOP ISSUE FOR CERTAIN GROUPS. 
          AND WHEN THOSE CERTAIN GROUPS ARE IN THE ROOM, THE WORDS ARE GONNA GET USED. 
          IF, IF THE WORD RECREATION MANAGEMENT WAS MORE USED IN THOSE ROOMS, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE TOP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA USE THE, THE VERBIAGE THAT'S PROVIDED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO I, I THINK IF IT'S ENCOMPASSING AND IT'S A PRIORITY, IT SHOULD, IT COVERS OHVS. 
          I THINK IT'S WHAT YOU STATED IS REALLY CLEAR AND HELPFUL BECAUSE IT'S LARGER RECREATION MANAGEMENT IS LARGER THAN ABSOLUTELY A SINGLE SUB-ISSUE IN FIVE YEARS. 
          WHO KNOWS, SAY FIVE YEARS, ARIZONA DOESN'T ALLOW OHVS ON ROADS ANYMORE, LIKE MOST STATES. 
          YEAH. 
          HYPOTHETICALLY, IT'S A HUGE, THE FRONT PAGE OF OUR COMMUNITY PLAN IS ALL OF A SUDDEN MOOT. 
          BUT RECREATION 1 0 3. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT RECREATION MANAGEMENT ABSOLUTELY. 
          STILL WOULD BE A COMPONENT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT FIVE 
          [00:35:01]
OR 10 YEARS. 
          BECAUSE THAT ALSO CAN COVER LIKE HELICOPTER TOURS. 
          I MEAN, IT CAN COVER JUST ABOUT ANYTHING, RIGHT. 
          JEEP, YOU NAME IT. 
          YEAH. 
          TRAILS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, OVERT TOURISM IS CAN I HANDLE THE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC, PARKING, WASTE, LITTER, FOOT BIKE TRAFFIC SENSITIVE SITES, UH, THAT WITHOUT DESIGNATED TRAILS, ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE, GRAFFITI LITTER. 
          WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? UM, 13. 
          13. 
          13. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE THE SAME, IT'S A SUBSET OF OVERT TOURISM AND KIND OF REPEATING OURSELF. 
          YOU COULD CALL IT OVERT TOURISM AND RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          IT'S TRUE THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OR SHOULD, SHOULD OVERT TOURISM BE TERMED RECREATION MANAGEMENT INSTEAD? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BECAUSE WE DID HAVE SOME CRITICISMS OF THE WORD OVERT TOURISM. 
          THEY LIKED, UH, RIGHT. 
          SIZING TOURISM. 
          WHAT'S THAT? RIGHT? SIZING TOURISM. 
          YEAH. 
          OR TOURISM MITIGATION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT SOUNDS EVEN WORSE. 
          . 
          AND ACTUALLY, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THE OVER, UH, AS WE'RE STATING HERE, OVERT TOURISM IS, I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY NEGATIVE IT IS TERM. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND WE ARE A TOURIST KINDA WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES, NOT STATED IN THE SAME, UM, VOCABULARY IN THE 2013 PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, YEAH. 
          I'M SENSITIVE TO HOW, HOW IT SOUNDS, UM, AS WELL. 
          AND I ALSO REALLY LIKE THE IDEA, UM, OF REGIONALISM. 
          I THINK, UH, FOLKS FORGET ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE. 
          SO EVERYONE WENT TO COTTONWOOD NOW COTTONWOODS HAVING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE. 
          SO WE BECOME THIS REGIONAL ISSUE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA OF REGIONAL CONSIDERATION THAT SETS SUBGROUP OF OVERT TOURISM. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CONNECTING THAT WITH REGIONAL, YOU KNOW, A RECREATIONAL MANAGEMENT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S THE SAME THING BECAUSE KNOW WITH THE VERDE RIVER, THAT'S, IT'S AFFECTING COTTONWOOD, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO IT RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          WE MAY JUST BE ABLE TO DO RECREATION MANAGEMENT WITH, MAY BE SOME SUBGROUPS IN THERE, BUT I, I REALLY LIKE HAVING THE BEGINNING OF OUR COMMUNITY PLAN TALK ABOUT REGIONALISM BECAUSE IT'S OFTEN FORGOTTEN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL, THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THREE BIG ONES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO WE PERHAPS WE WANNA CHANGE THE WORD OVER TOURISM. 
          WE WANNA MERGE, UM, RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OR, UM, AND, AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF WE COME TO A CONCLUSION HOW BEST TO DO THAT. 
          UM, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD START. 
           COMMISSION. 
          I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SUGGESTION. 
          AND AS I POINTED OUT TO ME THIS MORNING, REGIONAL CONSIDERATIONS AND REGIONAL PLANNING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I WAS READING IT AND THINKING OF, UH, NOT REGIONAL PLANS LIKE A YAVAPI PLAN OR A COCONINO PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS, BUT MORE WHAT IS COTTONWOOD DOING? WHAT IS CAMP VERDE DOING IN THE COUNTY? IN THE COUNTY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          UM, SO THAT BY ITSELF IS A LITTLE, I, AND I THINK THEY WERE GONNA CLARIFY THAT. 
          MAKE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR. 
          WELL LET, LET'S FINISH WITH THE, THE ONE WE'RE PRESENTLY ON. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          UNLESS YOU WANT TO SEE, YOU SEE SOME MERGING GOING ON WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, NO, NOT REALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO BACK TO WHERE, WHERE WE LAST LANDED. 
          UM, AND, UM, COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT WORD FOR OVER TOURISM. 
          HOW ABOUT JUST TOURISM? TOURISM AND RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S JUST SAY TOURISM. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          TOURISM AND RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          AND RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          I WONDER IF EVERYONE ELSE WILL THINK THE SAME. 
          YEAH. 
          AS THE KEY ONE. 
          SINGLE KEY ISSUE. 
          WHAT'S THAT? WHEN YOU AREN'T WHISPERING TO ME? . 
          UH, UH. 
          AND THEN OHV AS A CATEGORY GOES AWAY AND, AND THE OHV GOES UNDER THAT, I MEAN, GETS DISCUSSED AS A, A, AN ITEM WITHIN THAT KEY ISSUE. 
          SO DO I HAVE IT CORRECTLY? THEN WE WOULD ADD RECREATION MANAGEMENT AS AN OVERARCHING KEY ISSUE. 
          AND O OVERT TOURISM AND OHVS WOULD FALL UNDER THAT OR WITHIN IT? I THINK WE'RE CHANGING THE CHINA, I THINK WE'RE MERGING, WE'RE CALLING OVER TOURISM. 
          TOURISM, WE'RE MERGING IT WITH RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND TOURISM AND RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, CYNTHIA? 
          [00:40:01]
YEAH. 
          BUT WHICH, AND THEN THE OH, FEES GET DISCUSSED UNDER THAT RIGHT CHAPTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND IT DOESN'T LOSE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE PUBLIC. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, SAW IN IT BUBBLING UP TO A KEY ISSUE ON ITS OWN STANDING ALONE. 
          WHAT ORDER WOULD YOU HAVE THAT WORDING? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE RECREATION MANAGEMENT AND TOURISM . 
          AND, AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS GOOFY, BUT IT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THAT FIRST IMPRESSION? UHHUH. 
          . 
          UM, AND YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S THE WI, I HAVEN'T GOT THE EEDS YET, BUT I GET CLOSE . 
          BUT THAT FIRST IMPRESSION, BECAUSE THE, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT HERE, RECREATION MANAGEMENT OR TOURISM, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD, WE WANTED TO STICK OUT FIRST, THE TOURISM COMPONENT. 
          I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK I, I THINK, UM, THERE'S CONSENSUS THAT TOURISM AND ALL OF ITS FACETS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ECONOMIC ISSUES THAT GETS DISCUSSED IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          SO I WOULD ARGUE NOT TO, UH, I WOULD ARGUE TO LEAD WITH TOURISM. 
          AND, AND I AGREE. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KINDA LOOK AT THIS, I THINK RECREATIONAL MANAGEMENT IS ALMOST A SUBSET OF TOURISM. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I WOULD KIND OF TEND TO, I THINK TOURISM IS WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO SAY. 
          THAT'S OUR BIG ITEM. 
          BUT NON TOURISTS ARE INVOLVED IN RECREATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND, AND ARE AFFECTED BY RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          SO I WOULD NOT DROP THE SECOND. 
          NO, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T NEED, I'M JUST SAYING IN REALITY, IT'S PART OF, YEAH, IT'S PART OF TOURISM, BUT IT'S BIGGER THAN JUST YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          RECREATION MANAGEMENT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY. 
          LOCALS INCLUDED. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, THAT WAS BIG. 
          SO, SO WE'LL HAVE THREE, THREE ITEMS, THREE KEY ISSUES. 
          PAGE 14, CORRECT? GOES TO TWO. 
          NO, IT GOES TO TWO. 
          SHORT-TERM RENTAL, NO SHORT TERM RENTAL STANDS. 
          TOUR MARKET RECREATIONAL MANAGEMENT, AND REGIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. 
          AND RE, EXCUSE ME. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE THREE. 
          WE HAVE THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, YEAH, . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON KEY ISSUES? THAT WAS GOOD. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT TOPIC? JUST REALLY QUICK. 
          SURE. 
          UM, WHEN AND REGIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. 
          THEY, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SLANG ON THE SECOND PARAGRAPH PAGE, PLEASE. 
          UH, PAGE 13, UNDER REGIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. 
          IT JUST SAYS THE VALLEY COMMUNITIES. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE SPELL THAT OUT TO VERDE VALLEY? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BECAUSE I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEONE TO THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PHOENIX. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YOU NEVER KNOW. 
          LET'S GO TO VISION. 
          PAGE 17. 
          AS I SAID IN THE OPENING, THIS PRETTY MUCH MIRRORS WHAT WAS SAID IN 2013, SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY STILL, UH, A VERY VIABLE VISION FOR THIS COMMUNITY. 
          ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? CAN I THROW THE BRAKES ON FOR A SECOND? GO BACK TO, YEAH. 
          UH, CHAPTER ONE. 
          WE ARE ONLY DOING THAT ONCE THOUGH. 
          GEORGE  GET HIGH. 
          JILL, KATE? UM, NOT, NOT PAGE, BUT TERMS OF GENERAL COMMENT. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, ST AND WHETHER ST WERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SOLE REASON FOR ALL THE WOES IN THE CITY AND SO FORTH, AND RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          RATHER THAN JUST SAYING IT CONTRIBUTES TO YES. 
          YOU KNOW, ACCELERATED X, Y, AND Z PRICES, IT CONTRIBUTES TO MM-HMM. 
           YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHERE LACK HOUSING FOR WHERE THAT CAME UP. 
          OH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT THAT. 
          WAS THAT IN CHAPTER ONE, ALL THE COMMENTS WERE MADE. 
          SO ARE YOU ASKING CYNTHIA IF SHE'S GONNA NO, I'M ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THE WAY IT'S WORDED. 
          WELL, I, I, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF A BIG ISSUE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OR IF IT'S CONSIDERED A, JUST A GRAMMATICAL ISSUE. 
          UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, DOES IS, IS STR THE REASON FOR ALL THE WOES IN SEDONA? OR DOES IT CONTRIBUTE? UM, SO ON PAGE 11, WELL ON PAGE 11, THE IMPACTS ARE OUTLINED. 
          UM, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS ADDRESSED IS HOW IT HAS IMPACTED, UH, THE COMMUNITY, REAL ESTATE, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, DOES, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MORE GEORGE, OR ARE YOU QUESTIONING WHETHER IT'S A KEY ISSUE OR DID WE SAY IN SOMEPLACE IN THE PLAN THAT IT WAS THE SOLE REASON FOR OUR DISCONTENT? 
          [00:45:02]
LET'S MOVE ON. 
          LET'S MOVE ON. 
          AND, AND IF YOU, YOU WANNA TAKE US BACK WHEN YOU, WE GO BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU OKAY. 
          IF YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW WHEN YOU COALESCE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT, AND THEN WE'LL WALK IT BACK. 
          WHERE ARE WE, UM, VISION REGIONAL CONSIDERATIONS? I THOUGHT WE WERE ON VISION. 
          VISION. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I SHOULD JUST GIVE THIS TO MY BAD . 
          I'M ALREADY LOST VISION. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC HEARING WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. THOMPSON. 
          UM, LET ME GET SOME ADVICE HERE FROM STAFF BECAUSE, UM, WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T CALLED FOR IT. 
          HOW COULD WE HANDLE THAT? CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO SO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S NOT REQUIRED. 
          SO WE DON'T LIST IT AS A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN AT THE DISCRETION. 
          DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR AS LONG. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          AN ACQUIT SENSE OF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. 
          YOU CAN TAKE COMMENTS ON PUBLIC. 
          UM, I MIGHT EVEN SEGUE SINCE, UM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UM, COUNSELOR, FORMER COUNCILLOR THOMPSON WANTED TO DISCUSS VISION. 
          SO LET'S WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THAT AND THEN I'LL CALL ON YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, KURT . 
          UM, NOT TO REHASH FROM THIS MORNING, , BUT, UH, I, THIS MORNING, OUR MEETING THIS MORNING. 
          OH, WAS THAT RECENT? YEAH, I FORGOT. 
          VERY RECENT. 
          YES. 
          UM, YEAH, BUT I HAVE NO, UH, ISSUE WITH THE VISION STATEMENT ITSELF, BUT THE CHAPTER CONTENTS, I DID MAKE THE COMMENT THIS MORNING UNDER GUIDING PRINCIPLES, MM-HMM. 
           ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THAT PERHAPS TWO AND THREE COULD BE REVERSED IN ORDER. 
          UH, AGAIN, JUST TO ADDRESS THAT, THE CONCERN THAT SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE THAT, UM, TOURISM AND TOURISTS ARE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF BEFORE COMMUNITY. 
          MM MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I WOULD JUST SAY OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE STRENGTH AND COMMUNITY LIVABILITY AND CONNECTIONS. 
          AND THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE, UH, THE DIVERSITY BUSINESS AND RESPONSIBLE TOURISM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, REORDER RENU TWO AND THREE. 
          YEAH. 
          FLIP 'EM. 
          YEAH, NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. 
          DONE. 
          ANYBODY ELSE ON VISION? I'M ON GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          WE'RE NOT THERE YET, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S THE NEXT PAGE. 
          ? NO, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          ANYONE. 
          OKAY. 
          CORE VALUES. 
          YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS THERE WILL, OR GUIDING PRINCIPLES? WELL, IT'S SPECIFICALLY WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY AND RE IN, UM, RESILIENCY ON 19. 
          UH, THERE IS NO PAGE NUMBER HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          THERE ISN'T, I NUMBERED MINE. 
          THAT'S PAGES OF 13 ONLINE. 
          IS IT DIFFERENT COS NO, WE STILL DON'T HAVE PAGE NUMBERS AFTER 13. 
          SO I JUST, UH, IF, IF IT WOULD, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THIS AREA THAT I, IT PROBABLY GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND I MENTIONED IT IN OUR PRIVATE MEETINGS, BUT, UM, IT KIND OF GOES LIKE THIS. 
          IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THERE'S ACCESS TO CLEAN ENERGY AND SEDONA IS REDUCED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          RIGHT? WELL, IN ACTUALITY, IF YOU DRIVE AN EV TO SEDONA, UM, AND THAT'S YOUR, UH, EV CHARGING STATION IS YOUR GAS STATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           SEDONA DOES NOT HAVE A GAS STATION. 
          THERE'S LITTLE CHARGERS LIKE WE HAVE OUT HERE THAT ARE 6.6 KILOWATTS. 
          AND IF YOU PUT YOUR CAR UP TO THAT WITHIN 10 HOURS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO, TO PHOENIX IF YOU CAME FROM THERE. 
          BUT AN ACTUAL CHARGING STATION, THE ONLY ONES THERE ARE IS IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. 
          THERE SIMPLY ISN'T ONE IN ALL OF SEDONA. 
          SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE NEED LANGUAGE OR WE NEED TO AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THAT THE THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A LEVEL THREE CHARGING STATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WHERE WITHIN SOMEWHERE AROUND AN HOUR YOU COULD GET A HUNDRED MILES OR MORE YEAH. 
          FAST CHARGE. 
          AND, UH, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY IN HERE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TOO INTO THE WEEDS OR WELL, IS IT IN THE, UM, IN THE, UH, SUSTAINABILITY SECTION? IT ISN'T ANYWHERE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LEVEL THREE CHARGING STATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IT SHOULD BE. 
          WELL, IT'S PROBABLY NOT, PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED TO LAND IN GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          NO, BUT I JUST, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          WHEN WE GET TO THE RIGHT PLACE, 
          [00:50:01]
I DON'T WANNA FORGET. 
          I THINK IT'S ON PAGE 200 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST DID NOT WANT WRITE YOURSELF LEAVE IT OUT A POST-IT NOTE. 
          I'VE GOT IT. 
          SO WE'D COME BACK TO IT. 
          IT'S RIGHT HERE AND THEN OKAY. 
          ALL IT IS. 
          PAGE 83. 
          AND WE HAVE A POLICY. 
          LET'S WAIT UNTIL WE GET THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          DID WE, DID WE GO PAST THE VISION? WE DID , BUT LET'S FINISH ON THIS PAGE SINCE WE'RE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          COULD I MAKE A COMMENT? JUST, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE LIKE A LITTLE BRIEF FINGERS UP OR THUMB UP, THUMB DOWN. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HERITAGE HONOR AND PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND HERITAGE, DO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF FIRST PEOPLE SOMEWHERE IN THIS DOCUMENT? AND IF SO, WHAT THEN FLOWS FROM THAT ON A PRACTICAL BASIS? AND IF PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT, THEN I'M OKAY JUST TO REFERENCE TO HERITAGE. 
          OH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD, GOOD THING TO BRING UP CHARLOTTE. 
          I AGREE. 
          UM, DOES THAT COME UP LATER IN THE PLAN? AND AM I JUST NOT REMEMBERING IT, CYNTHIA? NO, IT DID. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND OTHER CULTURAL, UM, VALUES IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, AS FAR AS, SO IF IT'S MISSING IN TWO PLACES, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO, TO CARRY IT THROUGH LIKE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S IN HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK MORE GENERAL STATEMENTS ABOUT DIVERSITY MM. 
          THAT'S ARE IN THERE. 
          NOT QUITE IT. 
          IS IT? SO IT NEVER CAME UP? NO. 
          SOUNDS LIKE SHOULD BE A BULLET POINT UNDER WHAT'S GONNA BE GUIDING PRINCIPLE NUMBER TWO. 
          I MEAN, WHAT'S GUIDING PRINCIPLE NUMBER ONE, BULLET POINT UNDER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVE BULLET POINTS UNDERNEATH IT. 
          WELL, UNDER HERE, UNDER GUIDING PENCIL NUMBER ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE RESPECT, PROTECT THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENT. 
          WE ENSURE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          AND A BULLET POINT FOR, UH, UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECTING THE INDIGENOUS OR THE FIRST PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I WOULD VERY MUCH AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I HAD CUP VISITORS THIS WEEKEND THAT DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORICAL SITES IN THE SEDONA, AND THEY'VE LIVED IN THE VALLEY FOR 20 YEARS. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          SO I, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          WELL, THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM IS GOING TO CATCH UP ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO STAY TUNED. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          UM, SO DO WE NEED TO WORDSMITH THAT? AND DO YOU WANNA COME BACK TO THAT? I, I DON'T WANNA WORDSMITH IT. 
          YOU WANT, I DON'T WANT COME BACK TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT, THERE'S SOME CAN WE JUST PUNT YES. 
          TO STAFF ON THAT THERE'S SOME APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE WHEN ACKNOWLEDGING FIRST PEOPLES THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD AND ACCEPTED. 
          UM, THAT I'M SURE THAT CAN BE USED IN THIS SCENARIO AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE AND THEN IT NEEDS TO CARRY THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT SHOULD BE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, EARLY AND OFTEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          CARRY THROUGH TO THE CULTURAL HERITAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          IN, IN THE FURTHER ON THE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT POINT, CHARLOTTE. 
          IT WAS A BIG MESS. 
          THINK. 
          WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO VISION AND, UM, MR. THOMPSON, IF YOU CARE TO COME UP TO THE MIC, STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND, UH, YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          OH, REALLY? . 
          PERFECT. 
          UM, NICE TO SEE YOU. 
          MY NAME IS JOHN THOMPSON. 
          I LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          AND IF IT'S GONNA GO TO FIVE MINUTES, I'LL MAKE MY FIRST PRELIMINARY COMMENT AS PART OF THE FIVE. 
          UH, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT LOGISTICALLY THAT I WAS VERY SURPRISED TO FIND THAT THIS WAS SCHEDULED, UM, BECAUSE I MUND IMPRESSION THAT COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTED UNTIL JANUARY 31ST. 
          YES. 
          SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH A PARTIAL COMMENTED DOCUMENT. 
          YOU CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE MY COMMENTS AMONG THOSE 19. 
          AND I HAVE LOTS OF 'EM SAVED UP, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ADDING THEM TO THE DOCUMENT BECAUSE AS YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU WORK STUFF, YOU FIND OUT THAT, OH, HERE IT IS. 
          LET ME MOVE THIS COMMENT OR WHATEVER. 
          I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT MANY TIMES. 
          SO, UM, I WAS KIND OF AT THE LAST MINUTE THAT I DECIDED, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS, UM, I SHOULD AT LEAST PULL TOGETHER MY OVERVIEW, MAIN CONCERN OR PRIMARY CONCERN THAT I'VE HIT SO FAR WITH THE VISION STATEMENT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, UH, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. 
          UM, ONE CRITICISM OF PAST COMMUNITY PLANS IS THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING IN THEM THAT WILL JUSTIFY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. 
          THIS IS MOSTLY UNAVOIDABLE. 
          IT'S AN ASPIRATIONAL DOCUMENT. 
          SO WE MAKE MANY DECLARATIONS IN BROAD 
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AND GENERAL TERMS, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ASPIRATIONS, PARTS OF WHICH CAN BE IN CONFLICT WITH ONE ANOTHER. 
          THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN DEALT WITH THIS REALITY BY INTRODUCING HIERARCHY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF OUR VISION. 
          FIRST, THE VISION STATEMENT ITSELF ENDS WITH THE PHRASE WITH PRIORITY GIVEN TO THE PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          IT THEN DEFINES SUSTAINABILITY BROADLY AND IDENTIFIED IT AS AN INCLUSIVE AND FUNDAMENTAL GOAL OF THE PLAN, THEREBY SETTING IT UNIQUELY ABOVE ALL OTHER GOALS. 
          AND THEN WHEN THE CITY'S VISION WAS DIVIDED INTO ITS THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS, THEY WERE PRESENTED GRAPHICALLY AS CIRCLES. 
          ONE FOR TOURISM, A SLIGHTLY LARGER SECOND ONE FOR COMMUNITY, WHICH WE'RE OVERLAPPING A LITTLE BIT, AND A THIRD ONE, MUCH LARGER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, WHICH COMPLETELY ENCIRCLED THE OTHER TWO. 
          SO EVEN BY PAGE EIGHT OF THE PLAN, IT WAS CLEAR THAT NO MATTER WHERE OR HOW FAR WE DREAMED TO TRAVEL, THIS CITY HAD A SINGLE NORTH STAR THAT GUIDES US. 
          STAFF PROPOSED, AND COUNCIL EVENTUALLY AGREED TO TREAT THE CURRENT REVISION AS AN UPDATE, CLAIMING THAT THE VISION WAS FINE AS IS AND DIDN'T NEED TO BE DEBATED. 
          BUT THE VISION STATEMENT IN THE DRAFT YOU HAVE HAS BEEN CHANGED IN SOME SIGNIFICANT WAYS. 
          ALSO OTHER WORDS, INCLUSIVE AND FUNDAMENTAL ARE GONE FROM ANY MENTION OF SUSTAINABILITY. 
          WAS THAT THE FIVE MINUTES? TWO? YOU GOT TWO MORE? WAS THAT A THREE MINUTE TIMER? THANK YOU, DONNA. 
          YEAH, SO ALSO THE WORDS INCLUSIVE AND FUNDAMENTAL ARE GONE FROM ANY MENTION OF SUSTAINABILITY AND THE HIERARCHY OF THE CIRCLE GRAPHICS FOR THE THREE VISION COMPONENTS HAS BEEN REPLACED BY ONE NOW SHOWING THREE APPARENTLY EQUAL GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          THERE IS A NEW SECTION ON CORE VALUES, WHICH WOULD BE NICE, EXCEPT THAT THE CORE VALUE OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IS CLEARLY FOCUSED ON JUST OUR IMMEDIATE AREA AND MOSTLY EMPHASIZES BEAUTY AS THE MAIN THING WE NEED TO PROTECT, GIVEN THE EXPECTATION THAT OUR VISION HAD NOT CHANGED. 
          I URGE YOU TO INVESTIGATE TO WHAT DEGREE THE COMMUNITY PLAN COMMITTEE INITIATED OR DIRECTED THESE CHANGES AND ANY OTHERS IN THE VISION CHAPTER AND TO WHAT DEGREE PUBLIC INPUT WAS SOUGHT PRIOR TO THIS DRAFT BEING SUBMITTED FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD. 
          UH, MR. THOMPSON WAS THE CHAIR OF THE CITIZEN STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE 2013, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVE. 
          YEAH, I THINK I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON HIS COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, WHERE WE ARE, YEAH. 
          WHERE WE ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SPECIFICALLY THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, IN 2023 ENVIRONMENT GUIDING PRINCIPLE NUMBER ONE, WHICH PULLS IN SOME VERY SPECIFIC LOCAL ENVIRONMENT AND, AND DOESN'T MENTION, UM, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AT ALL. 
          OR ANY KIND OF, UM, BROADER STROKES TO HOW WE WILL PROTECT THE LARGER ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR, OUR MEETING WASN'T THIS MORNING, SO I DON'T REMEMBER AS WELL . 
          UM, BUT TAKING THE PICTURE OF WE ARE, WE, I, WHERE I KNOW THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN HAS SOME THINGS THAT COULD AND I THINK WILL BE ADJUSTED IN TIME. 
          THE CORE OF THE DOCUMENT IS, IS VERY GOOD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE UNDERUTILIZED IT SINCE IT WAS PASSED. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M MAKING THAT UP. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS PASSED. 
          MORE RECENTLY, I THINK IT IT WAS, BUT IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN IN PLACE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IT'S NOT NEW. 
          AND SO TO KIND OF IGNORE THAT, THAT PLAN IS CURRENTLY APPROVED AND IN PLACE, AND AGAIN, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THIS DIOCESE, BUT IT HAS NO TEETH TO BE IMPLEMENTED WHEN THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT'S HOPEFULLY GOING TO HELP US IMPLEMENT THINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT ENVIRONMENT, OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE IMPORTANT AND IT SHOULD INFORM CODE. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE THIS DOCUMENT, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT, I THINK ABOUT HOW IT WILL INFORM CODE MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THE TANGIBLE, A LOT OF THE TANGIBLE NATURE OF THE DOCUMENT, RIGHT. 
          FOR US SPECIFICALLY RIGHT. 
          IS HOW IT'LL INFORM CODE. 
          AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT IN ANY OF THE ENVIRONMENT SECTIONS. 
          NOT JUST HERE IN GUIDING PRINCIPLES, BUT, UM, THE, SO MAYBE 
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ARE YOU, GO AHEAD. 
          HAVE YOU COMPLETED YOUR THOUGHT? I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A FLOATING THOUGHT. 
          SO YES. 
          , , LEMME GRAB IT. 
          UM, COULD, UM, COULD YOU THINK OF WHERE THAT CAN BE ADDED INTO THE RESPECTIVE CHAPTER TO, UH, REEMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION AND ANY REVISIONS TO THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT MAY FOLLOW? RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK THAT IN GUIDING, ARE YOU NOT FINDING THAT IN THE RIGHT, IN THE EXACTLY IN THE, IN THE MEAT OF THE DOCUMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, AND I ALSO, AT A LATER POINT, WOULD YOU BRING THAT LANGUAGE FORWARD? SURE. 
          BUT I THINK IT SHOULD, IT COULD HAVE A PLACE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          IN THE, IN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          DO YOU WANNA SUGGEST WHERE THAT IS, UH, UNDER, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE THIS IS. 
          'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE PAGE NUMBERS. 
          GUIDING PRINCIPLE ONE. 
          YES. 
          THERE'S THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO DO YOU WANT IT UNDER THE, THE ITEMS ABOVE AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE FUTURE IN 2033, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT AS LIKE A GUIDING PRINCIPLE, CONSIDERING IT AS A DOC, IT IS OUR CURRENT ONLY CLIENT OR ENVIRONMENTALLY FOCUSED CITY DOCUMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S COMING OUT. 
          MY BRAIN IS, I THINK BEHIND MY MOUTH TODAY. 
          WELL, COLLIE, MAYBE IT CAN BE, UM, PUT INTO THE THIRD BULLET. 
          SURE. 
          THE, WE INCORPORATE SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY PRACTICES INTO ALL OF OUR ACTIONS. 
          IS THAT THE BULLET WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? AND AS REFLECTED IN, UH, AND ADOPTED PLANS. 
          AND THE ADOPTED PLANS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YEAH. 
          ADOPT. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AND I MEAN, AND ADOPTED PLANS. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST CLIMATE ACTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A, A BUNCH OF ADOPTED PLANS, BUT WHEN BUT THE THINGS THAT WOULD FLOW FROM THAT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND, AND SO THAT BULLET POINT CAN HOPEFULLY BE USED, YOU KNOW, AS JOHN SAID THAT THIS DOCUMENT'S MEANT TO THE CAN, UH, INFORM ANY KIND OF DECISION. 
          BUT THE GOAL OF INSPIRATIONAL SOME THE LANGUAGE IS TO LIKE ENCOURAGE, LIKE, OKAY, THIS PLAN SHOULD BE YEAH. 
          PUT TO USE SIMILAR. 
          WELL, AND THAT'LL HARDEN HARDEN IT A BIT THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          DO YOU HAVE THAT STAFF WITHOUT US WORDSMITHING IT? YOU WORDSMITH. 
          HUH? YOU WORDSMITH. 
          WE GOT IT. 
          I WROTE . 
          UM, SO TO, TO ADD AT THE END OF THAT, UM, THAT THIRD BULLET, UH, AS IDENTIFIED IN, IN ADOPTED PLANS OR SOME, SOME LANGUAGE TO THAT EFFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YOU COULD DO A SPECIFIC CALL OUT ON THAT CLIMATE ACTION. 
          SURE. 
          OTHER THAN I EXPECT THAT PLAN TO BE AS, AS ADJUSTED, AMENDED, ADJUSTED. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER. 
          I THINK THE MORE IN GENERAL, AND THIS WAS AN OVERARCHING FEEDBACK THAT I PROVIDED, IS LIKE THE MORE SPECIFIC THAT WE CAN BE AND POINTED WITH WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, THE BETTER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M ALL FOR BEING SPECIFIC. 
          AND THAT GOES TO CYNTHIA'S, UM, PRIOR REMARKS ABOUT HOW THE COMMISSION WILL USE THIS DOCUMENT SO WE CAN LOOK FOR THE LANGUAGE SO STAFF CAN LOOK FOR THE LANGUAGE THAT GUIDES DECISION MAKING. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND, AND, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM ACTUALLY WITH CLIMATE ACTION BEING IN THERE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT IS POLITICAL, EVEN THOUGH I READ COMMENTS TO THE, TO TO THAT BEING, WE SHOULDN'T BRING POLITICS INTO THIS. 
          UM, THAT IS THE NAME OF THE PLAN. 
          THE NAME OF THE PLAN IS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WHEN YOU SAID JUST PLANS, WE COULD HAVE OTHER, WE COULD HAVE OTHER ACTION PLANS OR OTHER PLANS DEVELOPED MM-HMM. 
           IN THE NEXT YEARS OR TWO. 
          AND SO TO LIMIT IT OR TO WHEN, WHENEVER YOU NAME ONE, THEN YOU'RE EXCLUDING EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          WELL, WE CAN SAY THAT WE'RE NOT RIGHT. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN SAY THAT. 
          AND THEN ANY OTHER NOT LIMITED. 
          NOT LIMITED TO. 
          NOT LIMITED TO. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT UNDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SUSTAINABILITY CHAPTER, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE RIGHT MARGIN TO HAVE BULLET POINTS THAT WE DO HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'LL GET THOSE PLANS. 
          BRING IN THERE, BRING, YEAH. 
          YOU GOT THE POST-IT NOTE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WHERE AM I? CHARLOTTE? GUIDING PRINCIPLE NUMBER TWO, MAYBE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, UM, ANYTHING THAT YOU GOT COLLECTIVELY FROM US ON THAT, CYNTHIA, BEFORE WE DIVE IN? WE'RE ON TWO. 
          NUMBER TWO OR 'CAUSE NUMBER ONE IS GONNA BE NUMBER TWO. 
          OH, I THOUGHT WE SWITCHED TWO AND THREE. 
          OH, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          WELL, MM-HMM,  AS IT'S WRITTEN, THE SUPPORT REGIONAL ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, WHAT DID WE DECIDE WE'RE GONNA SWITCH ONE AND TWO? NO, TWO AND THREE. 
          TWO AND THREE. 
          YEAH. 
          TWO AND THREE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          SO I HAVE A POINT OUT, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ON THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE, OLD TWO, NEW THREE, UH, SUPPORTING REGIONAL ECONOMIC DIVERSITY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS A BUSINESS OWNER UNDER THE ECONOMY SECTION. 
          UM, BULLET NUMBER THREE, UH, BUSINESSES WILL BE INNOVATIVE, CREATIVE, AND 
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CONSCIENTIOUS REGARDING GOODS AND SERVICES MARKETING BEST PRACTICE, AND TEACHING EVERYONE TO RESPECT OUR COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENT. 
          I THINK THAT THE STATEMENT TEACHING EVERYONE TO RESPECT COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENT AS A BUSINESS OWN, AS A BUSINESS'S RESPONSIBILITY, UM, IS OVERREACHING. 
          AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF THAT'S A GOOD PLACE. 
          IT'S A GOVERNMENT OVERREACH TELLING A BUSINESS PERSON WHAT THEIR POLICIES SHOULD BE. 
          SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME, UM, CHANGE TO THAT. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR SUGGESTIONS? WELL, I THINK ELIMINATING TEACHING EVERYONE TO RESPECT OUR COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND, AND I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE, I'M AN ACCOUNTANT. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE DISCUSSING SOMEONE'S P AND L AND EDUCATING THEM ABOUT HOW TO GO HIKING. 
          LIKE IT'S, IT'S OFF CENTER . 
          BUT WHY? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE, IT'S KIND OF FUNNY, BUT IT'S NOT IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE IT, SOMEONE MIGHT LOOK AT THAT AND GO, WELL, THAT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE DONE READING. 
          IT LOSES THE VALIDITY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF A DOCUMENT. 
          IT SEEMS TO BE THAT IT, IT SHOULD BE TAILORED TO BUSINESSES THAT ACTUALLY, UM, ARE INVOLVED IN, UM, RECREATIONAL TOURISM AND RECREATION MANAGEMENT. 
          MANAGEMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE COULD SAY, SAY, BUT NOT TO ACCOUNTANT AND AN ENCOURAGING APPROPRIATE SERVICES. 
          I THINK IT FLOWS FROM THE, THE ONE ABOVE SHADED AREA ABOVE UHHUH  SUPPORT BUSINESSES THAT PRACTICE RESPECT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          AND THEN MORE SPECIFICALLY, MM-HMM. 
           BUSINESSES WILL BE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT IT'S, BUT I THINK IT REFERS TO THE ONES A KIND OF BUSINESS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          TO ME. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, SO MAYBE WE, UM, QUALIFY THE BUSINESS. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, CYNTHIA? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I THINK WE, WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS BEEN DISCUSSING, UM, ATTRACTING MORE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE, DOCTORS, ATTORNEYS, ACCOUNTANTS, FOLKS LIKE THAT. 
          AND, AND SO, BUT WHEN WE READ THIS, IT'S MORE BUSINESSES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, TOURISM AND ENVIRONMENTAL, WHEN IN FACT WE STILL NEED THESE PROFESSIONAL, WE HAVE A, A LACK OF THAT PROFESSIONAL GROUP HERE IN SEDONA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          POINT NOTED. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON, UM, TWO, THREE, ? CAN WE TURN THE PAGE? LET'S GO TO, UM, GUIDING PRINCIPLE NUMBER TWO. 
          THAT IS NOW THREE OR THREE. 
          THAT'S NOW TWO. 
          SORRY. 
          CAN'T KEEP UP FOR MY PART. 
          I, I WONDERED WHY, UH, ASSISTED LIVING DIDN'T COME UP. 
          IT DIDN'T, THE PRIOR PLAN SENIORS ARE MENTIONED ON 51, BUT IT DIDN'T BUBBLE UP. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, UM, NOT IN THIS, UH, HOUSING DIVERSITY SECTION JUST TO TELL YOU WHERE I WAS COMING FROM. 
          ANYTHING FROM THE COLLECTIVE GROUP. 
          I THINK THAT ON THAT SECTION, CYNTHIA, UH, MORE MENTION OF DIVERSITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WHAT WAS THAT? UH, DIVERSITY KIND OF, UM, SPELLED OUT MORE MEANING WHAT? SO WE HEARD THIS EVENING ABOUT, UM, INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, BUT ALSO JUST INCLUSIVITY, EQUITY, ET CETERA. 
          MM-HMM MM-HMM. 
          EMPHASIZED MORE. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UNDER SENSE OF COMMUNITY OR UNDER GUIDING PRINCIPLE THREE ON THE TOP IN THE SHADED AREA? IS THAT WHERE STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY LIVABILITY AND CONNECTIONS? I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. 
          NO. 
          OH, NO. 
          AND I WOULDN'T, YEAH. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING DISCUSSED IN THE SAME WAY THAT DIVERSITY IS DISCUSSED. 
          WELL, IT'S DIVERSITY OF HOUSING, NOT DIVERSITY OF PEOPLE. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT DIVERSITY OF PEOPLE, BUT I, I DO THINK THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF FIRST PEOPLES ISN'T THE SAME AS DISCUSSING DIVERSITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          OR DIVERSITY OF HOUSING. 
          NO, I, YEAH, WE'RE, YES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIVERSITY OF HOUSING, BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING CONFUSED. 
          'CAUSE THE WORD DIVERSITY IS BEING USED BOTH WITH RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I I DO TOO. 
          AND, AND I HAD HAD A COMMENT RIGHT HERE UNDER HOUSING DIVERSITY TO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, MULTIFAMILY, INCLUDING INDEPENDENT LIVING OR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          THE SAME. 
          WHICH IS WHERE I HOPE TO GO SOMEDAY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS LOOKING OUT FOR MYSELF TOO, OR MORE INDEPENDENT THAN ASSISTED. 
          SO IT'S CALLED, IT'S CALLED SENIOR, I WOULD CALL IT SENIOR HOUSING. 
          SENIOR HOUSING ONLY BECAUSE IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE AS A SOCIAL WORKER, THIS IS, WAS 90% OF MY WORK. 
          THERE ARE SO MANY LEVELS OF CARE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA JUST POINT OUT ASSISTED OR INDEPENDENT OR SKILLED NURSING OR WHATEVER. 
          SO WE WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO ADD IN THE BULLET NUMBER TWO UNDER HOUSING DIVERSITY OR THREE, I'M NOT SURE WHICH. 
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UM, A REFERENCE TO SENIOR HOUSING FOR SENIORS, I GUESS. 
          AND WAS RETIREES CHOSEN INSTEAD OF THE WORD SENIOR? I MEAN, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WRITE THIS, BUT I MEAN, I COULD SEE SOMEONE THINKING RETIREES SOUNDS SO MUCH BETTER THAN SENIOR HOUSING. 
          OR YOU CAN USE THE TERM AGING. 
          WELL, YOU CAN BE A RETIRE AND STILL WORKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I KNOW. 
          BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY WROTE THE DOCUMENT, DID SOMEONE JUST THINK THAT WAS A MORE PC WORD, RETIREE HOUSING INSTEAD OF SENIOR HOUSING OR AGING HOUSING? THAT'S ALL. 
          I JUST, MM-HMM. 
           THROWING THAT OUT THERE. 
          NOT SAYING TO CHANGE IT. 
          I'M JUST LIKE, AND I THINK IT'S FINE TO ADD SOMETHING JUST TO, UM, UNDERSCORE AGAIN, GIVE MORE EMPHASIS TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I, I SORT OF FEEL LIKE, AGAIN, GUIDING PRINCIPLE WAY UP HERE YEAH. 
          AND AS WE GO BACK FURTHER INTO THE DOCUMENT WITH THAT MISSING MIDDLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND IN THE WHOLE HOUSING SECTION MM-HMM. 
           THERE I THINK ARE REFERENCES. 
          I HOPE THERE ARE THERE. 
          PAGE 51 I NOTED. 
          YEAH. 
          SENIOR HOUSING OR, MM-HMM. 
           ALTERNATIVES FOR SENIORS, WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO SATISFY ME, BUT I'M PERFECTLY YEAH. 
          HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          EMPHASIZE IT FURTHER HERE. 
          I DIDN'T REALLY SEE THAT HERE. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          ON PAGE 50, MY PAGE 51, UNDER HOUSING DIVERSITY, UNDER THE POLICY NUMBER ONE, COMPLETE AND THRIVING COMMUNITY IS MADE OF PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT STAGES IN LIFE. 
          SINGLES, COUPLES, FAMILIES, AND SENIORS, DA DA. 
          SO, UM, MAYBE IT'S ONLY RIGHT THAT IT BE ALSO REFLECTED UNDER HOUSING DIVERSITY GUIDING PRINCIPLE NUMBER TWO SO THAT IT FOLLOWS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WHATEVER WORDS YOU WANT TO USE , BUT MAKE IT OLD. 
          . 
          OLD PEOPLE. 
          OLD FOLKS. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE MOVE FROM THAT? ANYONE? OKAY. 
          COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          BIG CHAPTER HERE ON COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WHAT DID THE, UM, WHAT, WHAT WERE THE THOUGHTS THAT BUBBLED UP FROM OUR TWO ON TWOS WITH STAFF? UM, IF ANY, LET'S SEE ON THE ACTION ITEMS, UH, THIS CAME UP THIS MORNING ACTUALLY ABOUT, UH, THE SECOND ACTION ITEM ESTABLISH PROCEDURES. 
          CYNTHIA, WOULD YOU MIND MOVING THE MIC UP, OR DO YOU HAVE TO JUST LEAN OVER MORE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ESTABLISH PROCEDURES FOR PLANNING AND DESIGN, ET CETERA. 
          UM, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY WAS IT AN ACTION ITEM, WHAT DID IT MEAN, ET CETERA. 
          UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT REWORDING THAT, SO IT WAS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR. 
          UM, THAT WAS A COMMENT. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT HEALTHCARE. 
          AND ACTUALLY, UH, IT'S APPEARS IN TWO CHAPTERS AND THEY'RE SORT OF DUPLICATIVE. 
          IT'S ALSO UNDER ECONOMY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          ARE THEY DIFFERENT ENOUGH OR SHOULD IT JUST BE ONE POLICY IN ONE LOCATION? SO, AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU RESUMMARIZE THAT? I GOT LOST, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, PAGE 27, UH, PARTNER WITH THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY, AND IT'S ON THIS PAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS, BUT IT'S ALSO UNDER ECONOMIC CHAPTER AS WELL. 
          CAN YOU GIVE US THAT REFERENCE PAGE? MM-HMM. 
          , UH, IT'S ALSO ON PAGE 90. 
          OKAY. 
          ECONOMY STARTS ON 87 AT THE BOTTOM OF 90 IS ANOTHER POLICY. 
          COLLABORATE WITH THE REGIONAL PARTNERS. 
          WELL, LET'S JUST DO ONE AT A TIME TO ENSURE HEALTHCARE. 
          SO THEY'RE VERY, VERY SIMILAR STATEMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE WERE NO CHANGES SUGGESTED OUT OF THIS? OR WAS IT JUST CLARIFICATION OR CLARIFICATION? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO, CYNTHIA. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          . 
          UM, I GUESS THAT'S NOT A QUESTION. 
          THAT WAS JUST A OKAY. 
          KIND OF A REVIEW OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD. 
          OKAY. 
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AND AS FAR AS COMMISSIONERS, THAT WAS IT. 
          READ REITERATE SOMETHING I SAID THIS MORNING THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT EVERY TIME, BUT, UM, IF WE HAVE POLICIES AND WE HAVE NO ACTION ITEMS MM-HMM. 
          , THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I WOULD, AGAIN, ENCOURAGE IF WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE A POLICY MM-HMM. 
          , WE OUGHT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'VE, I HAVE A NOTE TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT ALL OF OUR POLICY STATEMENTS BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME POLICIES THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ACTION ITEM. 
          AND SOME ARE ACTION ITEMS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. 
          SOME OF 'EM MIGHT NEED TO BE REWORDED, ET CETERA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT THIS PARTNER WITH HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY, IF YOU READ THE, THE MEAT OF IT, IT'S, DOESN'T REALLY SAY MUCH. 
          SO MOVE YOUR MIC DOWN FOR ME PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU READ THE MEAT OF THIS, UH, ACTION ITEM, IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY MUCH. 
          IT JUST SAYS IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          AND THEY HAVE IT ALL OVER THE NATION WORLD. 
          SO I NATIONWIDE, I AGREE WITH CHARLOTTE. 
          JUST SOME ACTION ITEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY COMMITTEE TO GATHER, COME UP WITH IDEAS FOR, 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS, 'CAUSE THIS IS TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, BUT ON PAGE 90 90, IT JUST SAYS IT'S ALMOST VERBATIM, AS YOU KNOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN, SO THIS ONE'S TALKING ABOUT HOW TO GET TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND THIS ONE'S JUST SAYING COLLABORATIVE. 
          SO I JUST THINK IT'S AMBIGUOUS. 
          ANY MORE, UM, SUGGESTED, UH, REVISIONS OR FOR ANY DISCUSSION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY CHAPTER, THE WHOLE CHAPTER THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ALREADY RELAYED TO STAFF ON YOUR ONE-ON-ONES, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MY SOAPBOX ON PARKS AND RECS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT ALL FUTURE PARKS AND RECS SHOULD HAVE ADAPTIVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT ALL PARKS AND RECS OR ALL PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, THAT'S WHEN IT'S TIME TO REMODEL IT. 
          THEY NEED TO ADAPT TO BRING IN ADAPTIVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. 
          FOLKS THINK THAT ADAPTIVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS ONLY FOR CHILDREN, BUT IT'S ALSO FOR ADULTS ADAPTED SWINGS. 
          I'VE ALSO, I'VE SEEN SENIORS ON ADAPTIVE SWINGS, UM, IN WHEELCHAIR ACCESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, I FEEL THIS PLAN JUST TOTALLY DISREGARDS OUR ADAPTIVE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE EMPHASIS WITH THAT, PLEASE. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THAT'S ON PAGE 28. 
          EXPAND THE SECOND ITEM THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          PROBABLY IS THE, UNDER THE VARIETY OF FACILITIES AND PARK AMENITIES, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE FOR THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, JOE. 
          I THINK IT'S A PASSION OF BEERS. 
          I'VE JUST SEEN WITH MY PAST EXPERIENCE THAT CITY DIDN'T HAVE ADAPTIVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND THEN WE ADDED ADAPTIVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND THEN PARKS THAT WEREN'T ENGAGED BECAME ENGAGED. 
          WE HAD A BIGGER ADAPTIVE COMMUNITY BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN PLAYS OR TRAILS AND IT BECOMES LIKE A BIGGER ACTIVATION WITHIN YEAH. 
          WITH FAMILIES. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS, UM, CHAPTER THAT YOU DIDN'T ALREADY BRING UP PRIVATELY? I, LANDUS. 
          LANDUS. 
          ANYONE? ? ARE YOU GOOD, GEORGE? I'M GOOD ON THREE. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'D YOU HEAR FROM US CYNTHIA? ON LAND USE? OKAY. 
          THE DELLS . 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT DISCUSSION? THERE HAVE BEEN MANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE DELLS. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO IS TO ADD IN AN ACTION 
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ITEM TO DO A MASTER PLAN FOR THE DELLS. 
          WE HAVE IN HERE DO A MASTER PLAN FOR CULTURAL PARK. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO RANK THOSE IN PRIORITY, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA START DOING THE CULTURAL PARK MASTER PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THIS YEAR. 
          UM, BUT SOMEBODY SUGGESTED THAT IT'S POSSIBLE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS THAT WE MAY WANNA DO A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT IN THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS, ONE WAS DONE. 
          SO THERE ARE BUILDING BLOCKS THERE, AT LEAST RIGHT. 
          FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW AND THAT POINT OF TIME. 
          UM, AND MAYBE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, STEVE. 
          NO, I'M NOT. 
          I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA ELABORATE ON THE FACT THAT WHETHER WE CALL IT LET'S, LET'S DO ANOTHER MASTER PLAN, THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST IDENTIFY THAT THE PO THAT WE HAVE THIS LAND AND WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS THAT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, FOR LOOKING AT ITS USE, DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT IS TODAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK THE FACT THAT IT'S MISSING FROM HERE IS, IS KIND OF LACKING, IS AN OVERSIGHT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE SHOULD AT LEAST IDENTIFY THAT THERE IS, UM, THIS OPPORTUNITY AS A NEW, UM, COMMISSIONER, COULD SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DELLS IS? . 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK THE SAME THING. 
          , I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I KNOW YEAH. 
          THE TERM DELLS, IT'S KIND OF A NICKNAME, BUT, UM, I GUESS IT ACTUALLY ORIGINATED FROM A PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL YEARS AGO. 
          UM, BUT IT IS THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY, UM, ACROSS FROM THE WASTEWATER FACILITY PLANT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE HIGHWAY AND YOU MAY SEE IRRIGATION SPRINKLERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THE CITY OWNS ABOUT 200 ACRES ON THAT SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THERE WAS A, A STUDY DONE. 
          UM, I WOULDN'T CALL IT A MASTER PLAN. 
          AND THERE IT WASN'T REALLY A CFA PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WAS A STUDY OF POTENTIAL USES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THAT COULD OCCUR OUT THERE. 
          AND THERE WAS NOT A CONSENSUS AMONG THAT COMMITTEE. 
          AND IT WASN'T, UH, APPROVED OR ADOPTED BY COUNCIL OR ANYTHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO, SO IS THIS THE AREA EAST OF THE IRRIGATION AREA? IT IS THE IRRIGATION AREA. 
          IT IS WHERE THEY SPRAY IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S, OKAY, SO THAT'LL HAVE TO BE COORDINATED YES. 
          WITH THE WASTEWATER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, AND HONESTLY, THE REASON THAT IT, IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T IN HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED WITH WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA, AND THE THOUGHT WAS YOU COULD DO A MASTER PLAN, BUT WE WOULD BE BUSY ENOUGH OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS DEALING WITH CULTURAL PARK THAT IT WAS UNLIKELY THAT MUCH COULD HAPPEN OUT AT THE DELLS. 
          BUT IT IS COMING UP SO OFTEN THAT THERE'S A SUGGESTION TO DO A MASTER PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, WHEN IT DID COME UP, UM, IT CAN GET CONTENTIOUS BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE STRONGLY BELIEVING WE SHOULD NOT, FOR EXAMPLE, DO HOUSING OUT THERE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER CONTINGENT SAYING, IT'S THE PERFECT PLACE YOU SHOULD DO HOUSING OUT THERE. 
          IT'S THE ONLY PLACE . 
          WELL, ISN'T THIS AREA, ISN'T IT ALLOCATED FOR WASTEWATER DISPOSAL? IT IS. 
          AND SO I'M SURE THAT ROXANNE AND THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WOULD NOT BE HAPPY ABOUT DIVVYING UP THE PROPERTY FOR NON WASTEWATER PURPOSES. 
          THEY, I MEAN, THERE ARE INJECTION WELLS OUT THERE AND THERE WERE PLANS FOR FUTURE INJECTION WELLS AND TO ACTUALLY STOP DOING THE SPRAYING. 
          'CAUSE IT'S WASTEFUL. 
          BUT DUE, HOW, HOW'S IT WASTEFUL? HUH? HOW IS IT WASTEFUL? BECAUSE IT'S JUST EVAPORATING AND GOING BACK IT'S AS OPPOSED TO INJECTING ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL BE ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, YOU'RE, YOU SHOULD BE ON IT FOR SURE. 
          , YOU'RE ON IT. 
          BUT THAT, THAT IS WHY IT WASN'T PUT IN HERE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO STOP USING IT FOR IRRIGATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO TWO INJECTION. 
          WELL, THAT'S GONNA COST MILLIONS. 
          AND WE HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF OTHER REASONS WHY IT WOULD TAKE 10 YEARS TO GET TO THAT POINT. 
          AND, AND I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED IT ALONG WITH MASTER PLAN FOR THAT AREA. 
          PEOPLE MIGHT ASSUME THAT IT'S KIND OF A DONE DEAL, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE. 
          AND IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, PLACEMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, IT MIGHT OCCUR IN 2040 RIGHT. 
          OR 2035. 
          BUT IF WE INCLUDE IT IN, IN HERE, PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE EXPECTATIONS 
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THAT, WELL, WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR? LET'S DO THIS. 
          WELL, IT'S ONLY A SUGGESTION TO INITIATE A PLANNING EFFORT TO DETERMINE WHAT THE POTENTIAL LAND USES COULD BE WITHOUT SPECIFYING THEM NOW IN THIS PLAN YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST A CITY OWED LAND. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ACREAGE, LOT OF INTEREST. 
          SO IF WE ADD AN ACTION ITEM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS MEANT BY A MASTER PLAN TO DETERMINE FUTURE LAND USES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND, AND TWO, REALLY EMPHASIZE WHAT ITS CURRENT USES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED 200 ACRES FOR SPRAYING, UH, OR WHAT THE MM-HMM. 
          , UH, STATE DEQ REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR MM-HMM. 
           SETBACKS AND BUFFERS AND HOLDING THE LAND AVAILABLE, ALL THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND IT, IT COULD BE THAT, UM, IT WAS ALL PART OF THE CONSENT DECREE BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN MM-HMM. 
          , THEY PUT THE WASTEWATER PLANT IN THERE ALONG WITH THE ASSOCIATED LAND. 
          YOU KNOW, THE STATE MAY HAVE SOME, UM, UH, INPUT OR, UH, REASONS WHY YOU CAN'T OR CAN'T DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          WOULD THE DELLS HAVE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY BEFORE YOU COULD MAKE SUCH PLANS? NO. 
          IT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTY. 
          IT DOESN'T, IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY. 
          AM I CORRECT? IT IS OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT IT'S WITHIN COUNTY JURISDICTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO INSTEAD OF IT COMING THROUGH CITY PLANNING AND ZONING, WE WOULD GO THROUGH YAVAPAI COUNTY'S PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD QUESTION. 
          BUT YOU COULD ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE, BUT YOU COULD STILL PROBABLY ANNEX IT AND THEN HAVE WHAT YOU WOULD CALL COUNTY ISLANDS WITHIN THE CITY, CITY OF MESA, FULL OF COUNTY ISLANDS. 
          THAT, THAT BRINGS ME TO, WELL, I HAD TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS FROM THIS MORNING IN THIS. 
          ONE OF THEM WAS THE WORD ANNEXATION. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE NO ACTION ITEMS FOR OPEN SPACE. 
          YOU'RE THINKING OF ADDING ONE FOR THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE DELLS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT WE TALK ABOUT UNDER ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS TO PRESERVE AS MUCH NATURAL OPEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE ON PAGE 36, UH, PRESERVE AREAS AND ALL THAT. 
          BUT WE SAY WE DON'T DEVELOP THAT WITH THROUGH LAND ACQUISITION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THROUGH ANNEXATION THROUGH WHAT MEANS, YOU KNOW? SO AGAIN, I THINK IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF, OKAY, IF THIS IS A POLICY, WHAT'S THE ACTION ITEM? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
           WITHIN THE 10 YEAR MM-HMM. 
           HORIZON. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I ALMOST FEEL LIKE I'M LOOKING FOR ACTION ITEMS AT THE END OF EACH OF THESE LITTLE BLURBS. 
          AND WE ONLY OCCASIONALLY GET THEM. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT IN MINE, IS LIKE, I WANT, I WANT MORE DIRECTION ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO INFORM THE TRICKLE DOWN. 
          UM, OTHERWISE IT'S JUST LANGUAGE THAT'S CAN BE PICKED AND PICKED AND CHOOSE, CHOSEN FROM WHEN NEEDED. 
          MM-HMM. 
           RATHER THAN A DIRECTION FOR 10 YEARS. 
          SO I'M FINDING MYSELF READING THESE BLURBS AND SAYING, OKAY, THEN WHAT, WELL, DO YOU WANT ANY LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT ANNEXATION THIS? UM, I LEAVE THAT SINCE WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          I'LL LEAVE THAT TO, OKAY. 
          UH, WELL, I THINK THIS, UM, IDEA WHEN YOU SAID YOU'RE SORT OF EXPECTING OR LOOKING FOR IT TO BE POLICY ACTION. 
          POLICY ACTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE THAT WAY. 
          UM, AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE HEARING FROM PEOPLE EXPECTING THAT. 
          AND SO MY RESPONSE ON, UH, THE ONE THAT, UM, LET'S SEE, WHICH ONE WAS IT? OH, ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, UM, TO PRESERVE AS MUCH NATURAL OPEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE. 
          THE EXAMPLE OF WHY THERE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE AN ACTION ITEM IS THAT IS INTENDED TO BE A GUIDING PRINCIPLE. 
          AND THE EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF, IF THE COMMISSION IS REVIEWING A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE DEVELOPER, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK TO, TO THEN TALK TO THEM ABOUT TRYING TO MAXIMIZE OPEN SPACE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW POLICIES MIGHT BE USED. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE AN ACTION ITEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT HYPOTHETICALLY, IN THAT SCENARIO, IF IT WASN'T IN CODE, IF, IF THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO DEVELOP 90% OF THE LOT AND THE CODE SAID THEY 
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COULD, EVEN IF THIS DOCUMENT SAID PRESERVE, WE COULD BE LIKE, HI, PLEASE PRESERVE. 
          AND THEY'D BE LIKE, NO. 
          AND WE'D BE LIKE, HAVE A NICE DAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN CODE THAT IF THEY WERE COMING IN FOR REZONING, IF THEY WERE ASKING FOR SOMETHING, THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE LEVERAGE. 
          BUT WE SEE ANY PROJECT THAT'S OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE ASKING US FOR SOMETHING OR NOT. 
          AND I FIND MY HANDS TIED OFTEN. 
          I THINK WE ALL DO IN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUSH THEM TO DO BETTER THINGS, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT REALLY ASKING FOR ANYTHING, WE HAVE NO ABILITY. 
          SO I THINK FOR ME, THE POLICY FOLLOW, FOLLOW-UP IS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           YEAH. 
          IS THE FOLLOW UP. 
          NOT THIS, THIS IS A GREAT DOCUMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT TO ME, ONCE THIS HAS BEEN INTEGRATED INTO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THIS DOCUMENT ISN'T NO LONGER HELPFUL. 
          BUT IT, IT IS NO LONGER THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR US HERE. 
          WELL, NO. 
          ONE OF THE IT IS AND RIGHT. 
          BUT WE CAN'T AND OUR RELIANCE ON THE LDC. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HAD IS TO REMOVE WISHY-WASHY WORDS LIKE ENCOURAGE, GET RID OF THAT AND HAVE IT JUST SAY DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS TO PRESERVE. 
          YEAH. 
          SHELL, IT NEEDS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE DIRECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           NOT LIKE, OH, LET'S ENCOURAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL IT'S, THIS IS ULTIMATELY A CITY DOCUMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND TO ME, WHERE IT IS ASPIRATIONAL MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THE CITY SETS THE GOALS FOR THE CITY. 
          THERE'S NO ONE GETTING IN THE CITY'S WAY PER SE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER OR SOME, A NONPROFIT GROUP WHO SET THEIR, SET THEIR GOALS, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN GET IN THEIR WAY. 
          NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT, NOTHING CAN IN THE CITY'S WAY, BUT THIS DOCUMENT TO ME, FEELS WISH WASHY ONLY BECAUSE IF THE CITY SAYS THEY'RE GONNA DO A THING, DO IT. 
          DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S BE PROACTIVE, NOT REACTIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO STRENGTHENING THE LANGUAGE YOU'VE ALREADY PICKED UP ON THAT IN YOUR ONE-ON-ONE. 
          YES. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          SO WE DON'T NEED TO, BUT I THINK CARRIE MAY HAVE DISCUSS THAT ANY FURTHER. 
          SOMETHING TO ADD. 
          OKAY. 
          CARRIE, WELCOME. 
          WELL, MY ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS GONNA BE WHAT YOU CONCLUDED WITH. 
          SO, UM, JUST THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THIS DOCUMENT IS USED WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ZONE CHANGES, BUT IT ALSO DOES INFORM CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD JUST ADD IS THAT, UM, IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN LIGHT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO REMEMBER THAT NOT EVERY PROJECT IS GOING TO HIT EVERYTHING PERFECTLY. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COME UP IS, YES, WE HAVE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE OF WE WANT TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE. 
          WE WANT TO CREATE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE A HOUSING ISSUE WHERE IF YOU PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT ON EVERY LOT, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET THE DENSITY NEEDED TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS THOSE BALANCES MM-HMM. 
           THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER. 
          AND WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO THINK OF EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT WE MIGHT COME ACROSS AS WE LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. 
          BUT WHAT WE WANT IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT POLICIES THAT AS YOU AS DECISION MAKERS OR THE CITY COUNCIL AS DECISION MAKERS CAN SAY, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS AND THEY ALL HAVE TO SOMEHOW WORK TOGETHER. 
          AND YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET THE PROJECT THAT DOES EVERYTHING PERFECTLY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE NEED TO PROVIDE ENOUGH GUIDANCE THAT WE KNOW WHERE THE CITY WANTS TO GO, BUT NOT BE SO STRINGENT IN EVERYTHING THAT SOMEONE COULD POINT TO IT AND SAYS, WELL, THIS PROJECT DOESN'T PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE, SO WE HAVE TO DENY THIS PROJECT. 
          'CAUSE IT DOESN'T PROVIDE OPEN SPACE WHERE IT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE ACCOMPLISHING OTHER PURPOSES OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          WHERE WE MIGHT, YOU, AS DECISION MAKERS CAN SAY, WE'RE OKAY WITH NO OPEN SPACE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE OF THE BENEFITS IT'S OFFERING, AND THAT'S JUST GONNA BE A DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE PROJECT BY PROJECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S HOW IT TRICKLES TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THE CODE IS WHAT INFORMS WHAT IS REQUIRED AND WHAT IS NOT, AND WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO BE FLEXIBLE ON. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS. 
          I, I, I TAKE THIS BECAUSE WE UP HERE LIVE IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE , THAT'S KIND OF THE WELL, YOU ALSO GET TO LIVE WITH ZONE CHANGES TOO, SO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE WAY THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING WOULD BE THAT AS YOU ARE, UM, AND WE, WE TALK WITH OUR SUSTAINABILITY PEOPLE, OUR HOUSING PEOPLE. 
          'CAUSE AS WE WORK THROUGH PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEFICIENCIES OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT DEFICIENCIES OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN COME TO LIGHT WHEN WE SEE HOW THEY ACTUALLY APPLY THE PROJECTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THAT'S HOW, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LISTENING TO YOU, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT AND THEN FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, WE'RE ALWAYS LIKE, OKAY, YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT DOESN'T QUITE WORK. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES THAT WE BRING TO YOU COME FROM IS, OKAY, YEAH, THIS, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE. 
          THIS DOESN'T, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RESULTS THAT WE WANTED. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A CONTINUAL, UM, PROCESS. 
          THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GETS CHANGED A LOT MORE 
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OFTEN IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          UM, AND SO THE COMMUNITY PLAN'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SIT HERE AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE GUIDING US FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. 
          UM, AND SO GETTING SUPER SPECIFIC COULD BE A GOOD THING. 
          IT COULD BE A BAD THING. 
          AND YOU GUYS GET TO, YOU GUYS ARE THE LUCKY ONES WHO GET TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND WHERE THINGS MIGHT CONFLICT A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND I'M THINKING OF YOUR EXAMPLE OF HOUSING AND OPEN SPACE. 
          THE WAY THIS POLICY MIGHT HELP YOU ALL IS THAT MAYBE YOU LOOK AT A PROPERTY, SAY IN A CFA LIKE SHELBY, THAT ALLOWS FOR TALL, TALLER BUILDINGS. 
          WELL, YOU CAN GET MORE OPEN SPACE IF YOU GO TALLER, GO UP. 
          MM-HMM. 
           . 
          AND SO THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU LOOK TO THE PLAN AND IT SAYS, WE REALLY WANNA PRESERVE OPEN SPACE, SO LET'S LET 'EM GO ANOTHER STORY TALLER, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ON THAT TWO ACRE LOT , ALL THAT OPEN SPACE. 
          YEAH. 
          OPEN SPACE VIEWS. 
          TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN YOU RUN INTO THE BULLET POINTS THAT TALK ABOUT PRESERVING VIEWS. 
          THEN YOU GET TO PLAY WITH OPEN SPACE DENSITY, HEIGHT, AND VIEWS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ACTUALLY DOES ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, YOU KNOW, IN THE, WHEN IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE FINDINGS, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT DECISION MAKERS CAN, BASICALLY, YOU GET THE DECISION, YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY BENEFITS OF PROPERTY OR PROJECT IS OFFERING AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE IT OR NOT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO. 
          UM, GO AHEAD. 
          I DON'T WANNA GO BACK BACKWARDS, BUT , UH, THIS OPEN SPACE DISCUSSION ALSO REMINDS ME OF CREEK ACCESS, YOU KNOW, AND THE CONTINUING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD MM-HMM. 
           ACQUIRE PARK LAND OR, OR NATURE PRESERVE OR SOMETHING, BUT CREEK ACCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOULD NUMBER ONE, BE INCLUDED AND NUM AND IF SO, UNDER OPEN SPACE OR UNDER PARKS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY FINISHED WITH IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN BOTH. 
          WOULDN'T YEAH. 
          PROBABLY WOULD BE IN BOTH. 
          I, I RAISED THAT, THAT ISSUE TOO. 
          IT DIDN'T, BUT THAT DIDN'T BUBBLE UP. 
          UM, CITY ACQUISITION OF, OF, UM, LANDS THAT WERE ADJACENT TO OAK CREEK. 
          IS THAT WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT? YEAH, IT BUBBLED UP AT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING COUNCIL. 
          STRATEGIC PLANNING WHEN LAST, WELL, NOT THIS MOST RECENT ONE IN DECEMBER, BUT THE INTERESTING ONE IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND I REMEMBER A LONG CONVERSATION WITH ANDY ABOUT THAT. 
          ANDY GAVE ABOUT WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE? THE DOWNSIDE OF CITY OF CORN, THE CONSIDERATIONS AND ADA A AND ALL THIS AND THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT GOES AWAY. 
          SO IT IS ADDRESSED ON PAGE 80 IN THE ENVIRONMENT CHAPTER. 
          SEE, WE'RE GETTING FINAL, BUT I THINK IT MAY NOT BE ADDRESSED EXACTLY THE WAY YOU WERE REFERENCING. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHERE YEAH. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE IT DIDN'T APPEAR, BASICALLY. 
          AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION IN THE ONE-ON-ONE, UM, MEETINGS AND THE ACTION ITEM IS PURSUE WORKING WITH PRI WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPER. 
          MM-HMM. 
           DEVELOPERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT THERE ISN'T AN ACTION ITEM FOR CITY ACQUISITION OR ENCOURAGING MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          SO RATHER THAN HAVING TO WAIT FOR THAT, DID YOU WANNA ADD THAT WHILE WE'RE HERE? WELL, SEE, I FEEL LIKE THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A PRIORITY AND IT SEEMS LIKE THINGS THAT I KEEP HEARING UHHUH , BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, IS THIS YES. 
          NO, I DON'T. 
          WELL, YEAH, I'VE ALWAYS FELT STRONGLY ABOUT PUBLIC PUR PURCHASE OF THAT, THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          UM, THERE CERTAINLY WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON IT AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT CITIZENS DON'T REALIZE THAT THE CITY CAN ACQUIRE PROPERTY. 
          I THINK THAT THOSE THAT ARE IN THE KNOW, UNDERSTAND THAT CITIES BUY PROPERTY FOR STRATEGIC REASONS AND MAY SELL IT OR DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THE AVERAGE CITIZEN REALLY THINKS OF THE CITY AS LANDOWNER. 
          SO I AM UNDER THE AGREEMENT THAT CITY, YOU KNOW, ACQUISITION OF CITY ACQUIRING LAND IS, IS AN APPROPRIATE ACTION ITEM IN THOSE AREAS WITH, UM, ACCESSED OAK CREEK, ESPECIALLY IN YEAH. 
          WE TALK ABOUT THE RIPARIAN RESERVES AND YEAH. 
          OR PRESERVES AND HOW WE WANNA HAVE THAT LOOK. 
          AND WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT DURING THE SANTA FE FOR SHEBBY. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET QUESTIONNAIRE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I HIT IT THERE, BUT IT DIDN'T HIT IT HERE. 
          SO I, I WOULD, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH CHARLOTTE. 
          WELL, TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LANGUAGE ON PAGE 80 MM-HMM. 
          , IF WE JUST SORT OF UNDER ACTION ITEM NUMBER TWO MM-HMM. 
          , IF WE 
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EXPANDED IT TO SAY, IF PURSUE WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, DEVELOPERS TO ENSURE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PRESERVES THE OAK CREEK CORRIDOR, INCLUDING PUBLIC ACQUISITION, PUBLIC ACQUISITION POTENTIAL. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. 
          POTENTIAL PUBLICAL ACQUISITION. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I MADE A NOTE TO JUST ADD A FOURTH ACTION ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          THAT WOULD GET MORE EMPHASIS. 
          THAT'S PERFECT. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          ARE WE BACK 36? YES. 
          I'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE LAST SENTENCE ON TRIANGLE, BULLET POINT NUMBER TWO, WHERE I THINK IT KIND OF OPENS UP A, UH, CAN OF WORMS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPEN SPACE, BUT THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION IS CURRENTLY THEN BY LDC, IS TO ALLOW FOR TALLER BUILDINGS AND LOCATIONS THAT WILL NOT IMPACT SCENIC VIEWS. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THAT BELONGS IN A DISCUSSION ON OPEN SPACE. 
          WELL, IF WE COULD GO DENSITY HIGHER, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE OPEN SPACE ON PROPERTIES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           POTENTIALLY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I STILL DON'T THINK THAT, I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS YOU COULD DO, CREATE OPEN SPACE, AND I THINK BRINGING UP POTENTIAL FOR, UH, ALLOWING TALLER BUILDINGS. 
          I, I THINK THAT, UH, IS PRETTY CONTROVERSIAL. 
          AND, AND TO STATE THAT THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT IS SO WE HAVE MORE OPEN SPACE. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THAT I WOULDN'T BUY IT, BUT I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE HERE. 
          YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE UNDER THE LAND USE, UM, CHAPTER OR JUST STRIKE IT? WELL, AND, AND BOTH. 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEING IN ANOTHER LOCATION, BUT I THINK WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT OPEN SPACE HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL FOR INCLUDING IT ELSEWHERE. 
          BUT IT'S TALKING ABOUT THAT BULLET POINT IS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS TO PRESERVE AS MUCH NATURAL OPEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE. 
          THAT, THAT WHOLE BULLET POINT IS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAST SENTENCE, I DITCH THAT WHOLE BULLET POINT. 
          I, I PERSONALLY JUST DON'T LIKE THE END OF THE SENTENCE. 
          THAT WILL NOT IMPACT SCENIC VIEWS. 
          ONLY BECAUSE THE LIMITS THAT PUT ON PROJECTS IS LIKE EVERYWHERE. 
          THAT ISN'T LIKE THE RECYCLING CENTER CORRIDOR , AND EVEN THERE, LIKE YOU HAVE SOME CORNERS THAT'S STILL, YOU'D STILL HAVE THAT ISSUE WITH. 
          UM, BUT IF, IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT DISCUSSING DENSITY UNDER A DEVELOPMENT BULLET POINT IS APPROPRIATE, THEN I THINK THE WHOLE BULLET POINT SHOULD MOVE. 
          WELL, I, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT TO PRESERVE NATURAL MM-HMM. 
           OPEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE. 
          BUT I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA START TALKING ABOUT TALLER BUILDINGS, THEN DO WE WANNA GET INTO DISCUSSION OF, WELL, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA BE LOCATED? ARE THEY LOCATED ALONG 89 A ARE AT THE BASE OF AIRPORT MESA? YEAH. 
          UH, WHERE'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT TALLER BUILDINGS? I I THINK IT JUST CONFUSES THIS ISSUE WHERE THIS ISSUE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT, UH, DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND CREATING OPEN SPACE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, BUT THE SENSE BEFORE IT TALKS ABOUT CLUSTERING THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT AVENUES OF BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP AND CREATE OPEN SPACE. 
          HOW DO YOU DO THAT? YOU CLUSTER YOUR BUILDINGS, YOU GO HIGHER, IT'S JUST KIND OF MM-HMM. 
           IT FOLLOWS THEY'RE TOOLS. 
          THEY'RE TOOLS RATHER THAN SUGGESTIONS. 
          BUT LIKE CARRIE TOLD US, IT'S ULTIMATELY OUR DECISION WHETHER THE DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE TOOLS. 
          BUT I THINK LIMITING OUR TOOLS, AND IF I HAD A CHOICE IN THAT SENTENCE, GETTING RID OF NOT IMPACT SCENIC VIEWS. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT SHOULD BE STRUCK AS WELL. 
          UM, I I WOULDN'T HAVE JUST PUT IN SUITABLE LOCATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND THEN I, IF ANY, IF, IF THERE'S DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THIS BULLET POINT, I SAY MOVE IT. 
          I DON'T SAY STRIKE IT IN ANY WAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT, I THINK IT'S FINE IN LAND, IN, IN OPEN SPACE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THERE ARE MORE HUMANS ON THE PLANET THAN EVER. 
          THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SLOWING DOWN ANYTIME SOON. 
          WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET CREATIVE, AND THAT'S GONNA IMPACT OPEN SPACE. 
          UM, ANOTHER THOUGHT IS WE COULD REWORD THIS SENTENCE SO THAT IT, IT MAKES MORE SENSE WHY IT'S IN THIS LOCATION. 
          SO IT TIES TO THE OPEN SPACE MORE CLEARLY. 
          I LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE I, RIGHT NOW IN MY HEAD, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE CULTURAL PARK AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE SCENIC VIEW. 
          THERE IS THE, IS THE WHOLE AREA, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW. 
          NO, WE HAVEN'T. 
          IT HASN'T COME TO US, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT ALLOWING MULTI-STORY BUILDING THERE OR NOT. 
          AND SO IF, IF WE DON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS A TOOL, WHAT WE'RE KIND OF IMPLYING IS THAT WE DON'T ALLOW MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS AND WE CAN'T DO THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL, AND, AND 
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I GUESS I'M, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THIS ITEM. 
          . 
          I MEAN, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, I FIRST READ THIS, UH, I WAS THINKING IT WAS SPECIFIC TO RIPARIAN ENVIRONMENT, BUT AS I'M READING IT, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO RIPARIAN ENVIRONMENT, IT'S SPECIFIC TO ANY DEVELOPMENTAL AREA SUCH AS YES. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE CULTURAL PARK, FOR INSTANCE, I WASN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT THAT. 
          I WAS THINKING MORE ABOUT MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, OAK CREEK HERITAGE RESORT YEAH. 
          SORT OF THING. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND EVEN IF WE WANNA JUST GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT SAYS NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE DOLLS, THAT'S ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL PLACE AGAIN, WITH OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING, THAT IF WE DON'T, WE JUST HAVE TO REALLY THINK WHAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT FLAVOR OF COUNCIL? WHAT'S THE NEXT FLAVOR OF THE COMMISSION? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THAT FUTURE WHEN WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE? SO IF YOU WANTED TO RETAIN THAT, IF THERE'S ANY CONSENSUS FOR THAT, UH, WE COULD PUT SUITABLE IN FRONT OF LOCATIONS AND THEN PERIOD. 
          AGREED. 
          YEP. 
          I, THAT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY. 
          DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION? ANOTHER OPTION THAT IS CURRENTLY LIMITED, ANOTHER OPTION THAT IS CURRENTLY LIMITED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? DO WE EVEN NEED TO HAVE THAT ANOTHER OPTION? ANOTHER OPTION, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. 
          YEAH. 
          AVAILABLE? YEAH, I AGREE. 
          I READ THAT AND I WAS LIKE, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE JUST DISSING THE LDC HERE. 
          LIKE . 
          I MEAN, I GET, I I KNOW THE INTENTION OF THE SENTENCE IS LIKE, WE CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE COULD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THERE A WAY TO COMBINE THE TWO SENTENCES? I MEAN, WE HAVE THE INITIAL SENTENCE AND WE HAVE ENCOURAGED CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THEN, UH, ALLOW FOR TALLER BUILDINGS TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          I COULD, COULD WE PUT'EM I THINK RATHER THAN GETTING INTO WORDSMITHING YEAH. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN OKAY. 
          REDO THE ENTIRE PARAGRAPH. 
          AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. 
          YES. 
          AND WE HAVE CONSENSUS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          WISH I'D THOUGHT OF THAT, . 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NOW CAN WE DROP TO THE NEXT ITEM? OH, NO, WE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DELLS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN THE LAST BULLET POINT, IT SAYS, TO AVOID IMPACTS OF SPRAWL AND MAINTAIN RURAL CHARACTER OF THIS AREA. 
          YES. 
          INTENSE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED. 
          I MEAN, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          DO WE WANNA SAY THAT? YES. 
          WELL, AGAIN, THAT YES, WE DO. 
          THAT GOES BACK TO THESE ARE POLICIES SAYS WHO? UHHUH , YOU KNOW, UHHUH , WHERE, WHO, WELL, FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THOSE HAVE BEEN LONG TERM POLICIES OF THE CITY OF SEDONA ON SPRAWL THAT WAS CARRIED FORWARD FROM PREVIOUS PLANS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF IT'S NO LONGER A PRIORITY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          WELL, I SURE THINK IT IS. 
          WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT MASTER PLANNING THIS AREA, BUT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE DISCOURAGED. 
          RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IT NOW SETS UP AS A CONTRADICTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          ALTHOUGH IT SAYS INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT, DISCOURAGED. 
          WELL, IF I, DO YOU DEFINE THAT? I FIND THE, YEAH, I FIND THE WORDING HARD TO, LIKE, WHAT IS IT, WHAT IS THE INTENTION OF THE WORDING? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION IN HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE TO TOTALLY TAKE ALL PROJECTS OFF. 
          LIKE, IF HOUSING IS A PRIORITY, THEN MM-HMM. 
           HOUSING'S A PRIORITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A TOP THREE MM-HMM. 
          , THEN SPRAWL. 
          SPRAWL IS A VERY SPECIFIC WORLD WORD IN PLANNING THAT I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY TRANSLATES TO EVERYONE ELSE. 
          SO I THINK THE INTENTION OF THIS IS LIKE, WE DON'T WANT BIG SUBSTANTIVE SUBDIVISIONS LINING 89 A OR WAREHOUSE BIG BOX OR, OR STRIP MALLS. 
          RIGHT. 
          LINING 89 A ALL THE WAY TO COTTONWOOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO ME, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THIS SPRAWL. 
          OKAY. 
          HOWEVER, BY SAYING THAT, LIKE, NO, LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW FOR, I THINK IT'S LIMIT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING IN OUR CURRENT SITUATION. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S CHANGING IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. 
          IT DIDN'T, I MEAN, HOUSING WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE 2013 PLAN WHEN I, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T DIFFERENTLY, DIFFERENTLY, BUT IT WAS WITH MUCH LESS EMPHASIS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IT, IT'S, IT SPOKE MOSTLY TO DIVERSITY. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO, UM, ARE WE TRYING TO DO TWO THINGS HERE? ONE IS TO TAKE THE NEGATIVE OUT OF THE, UM, LAST SENTENCE. 
          I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT PROBABLY NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLANATION AND TWEAKING OF, OF THE LAST SENTENCE IN PARTICULAR. 
          CAN YOU TAKE OUR COMMENT? 'CAUSE I THINK TODAY AND YEAH. 
          AND DO THAT AND SPECIFICALLY IMPACTS OF SPRAWL YEAH. 
          NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT IS MEANT BY THAT? 
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ALL RIGHTY. 
          GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ACTION ITEMS COMING FROM THIS. 
          WELL, ONE WILL BE THE DELLS MASTER PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT'S ENOUGH. 
          IS THAT ENOUGH? OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH. 
          ARE WE IN FUTURE LAND USE NOW? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I WONDER IF, UM, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO PUT THIS MAP ON YOUR DISPLAY SO WE CAN ZOOM IN PLEASE. 
          IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ON PAGE 38 FOR ACTIONS. 
          DID, DID WE POINT TO THIS AS A, A PLACE WHERE, UM, AGING IN PLACE OR SENIOR HOUSING MIGHT GO? THERE'S TWO PAGES LATER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THERE'S ANOTHER, YEAH, WE CAN KEEP REPEATING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAYBE THAT'S BETTER. 
          GEORGE HAS POINTED OUT ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE MIGHT BRING GREATER EMPHASIS TO THAT. 
          SO I'LL RETRACT MY COMMENT. 
          I HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE MAP THOUGHT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE JUST, UH, I KNOW THIS ISN'T A ZONING MAP AND I'M SORRY THAT MY BRAIN HAS A HARD TIME WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A ZONING MAP, BUT I'M GONNA DO MY BEST NOT TO CONFLATE THE TWO . 
          UM, MIXED USE IS OBVIOUSLY EXPANDED SLIGHTLY IN THIS POTENTIAL FUTURE USE, BUT IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT EXPANDED ENOUGH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THE WAY MIXED USE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED, OR UM, WAS JUST, YOU GUYS JUST CHANGED THE MIXED USE USES ON, NOT JUST, BUT LIKE, DIDN'T YOU JUST GET RID OF LIKE THE M THE NUMBERS THAT WANNA, AM I MAKING THINGS UP IN THE COOL ? SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH, UM, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, UH, MIXED USES CREDIBLE BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO WALKABILITY, WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING DIVERSIFICATION, WHEN IT COMES TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GOALS. 
          MIXED USE IS A TOOL TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHERE I APPLAUD THE SLIGHT ADDITION OF MIXED USE, WHICH IS SLIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE POTENTIAL OF EXPANDING THE MIXED USE AVAILABILITY. 
          DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE TAKEN UP. 
          PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. 
          YOU CAN HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN MIXED USE. 
          MAYBE WE COULD, WE COULD SAY THAT YOU COULD. 
          WE'RE IN THE PLAN WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU CAN DO . 
          EVERYTHING IS, EVERYTHING IS GOOD RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT KURT'S ATTENTION, , SORRY, KURT. 
          I ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THIS MAP AND ASKED THEM TO POINT OUT TO ME WHERE THOSE NEW MIXED USE AREAS WERE. 
          AND, UM, IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THAT MAYBE IN YOUR MIND OR OTHERS THAT WE HAD OVERLOOKED AREAS THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROMOTING, THAT YOU THINK ARE ALSO SUITABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I BROUGHT IT UP IN OUR MEETING, BUT I CAN, SO DID, UM, DID YOU GET MORE SPECIFIC THEN IN YOUR MEETING ABOUT I DID. 
          WHERE YOU WANTED TO SEE THOSE? I DID. 
          AND, AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP TO THE COMMISSION IS I THINK THAT THAT'S A TOOL TO REALLY MEET THE BIG GOALS OKAY. 
          IS, IS MIXED USE. 
          AND I THINK, UM, RIGHT. 
          FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF BEST PRACTICES IN PLANNING, IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY GOOD TOOL TO DO BEST PRACTICES AT THE MOMENT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE GRAY ON THE MAP? I WANT MORE GRAY JUST TO COMMENT FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE COLORBLIND. 
          OH, THIS MAP MEANS NOTHING. 
          HEARD THAT? OH, WE'VE HEARD THAT. 
          OH DEAR. 
          YEAH, IT'S RED GREEN. 
          IT'S REALLY . 
          I COULDN'T TELL YOU A THING ON THE MAP. 
          I STUDIED IT. 
          SO WE DID CROSS HATCHERS OR DO OH, THAT'S AWESOME. 
          DID YOU LIKE WE NEED NUMBERS OR LETTERS. 
          OH, NUMBERS OR LETTERS. 
          GOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I FORGOT, CYNTHIA, DO YOU WANNA WALK US THROUGH THE, UM, STAFF'S, UM, APPROACH TO ADDING MULTI-USE? MM-HMM. 
           INTO THE AREAS THAT ARE NOW DEPICTED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE GRAY THAT, UM, YOU WERE JUST REFERRING TO IS MIXED USE. 
          AND THE CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN IS THAT MOST OF THOSE GRAY AREAS WERE PLANNED AREAS. 
          RIGHT BEFORE THAT WAS THE DESIGNATION PLANNED AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PLANNED AREAS WERE REALLY NOT VERY SPECIFIC. 
          DIDN'T PROVIDE MUCH GUIDANCE. 
          UM, AND SO MOST OF THOSE, WE CHANGED IT TO MIXED USE. 
          UM, THERE'S A FEW CHANGES. 
          LET'S SEE THE ONE ON RIGBY ROAD, UM, 
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LET'S SEE, I THOUGHT I CAN POINT OUT THIS ONE. 
          UH, THAT ONE WE DID ACTUALLY MEET WITH THE OWNERS AND CHANGED THAT ONE TO MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH THEY WERE FINE WITH DOING THAT. 
          TAKE THAT OUT AGAIN PLEASE. 
          DO YOU HAVE A CLICK? DO YOU HAVE A YEAH, SHE HAS A LITTLE MOUSE ON IT. 
          WHAT DO YOU CALL HIM? ? THE LITTLE WANDER SKY. 
          THE DARK LIGHT BOX. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR CONTEXT, THE, THE DULL JUST TO THE EAST OF THAT IS SAFEWAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S SAFEWAY. 
          WHERE CYNTHIA HAS HER POINTER. 
          NOW IT'S NORTH TO THE TRAILER PARK. 
          YES. 
          CYNTHIA, WOULD IT BE TRUE THAT ALL OF THE AREAS DEPICTED IN COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL LODGING COULD GO MIXED USE ? I THINK MOST OF THE AREAS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL LODGING ON THIS MAP ARE CURRENTLY LODGING PROJECTS. 
          SO ALRIGHT. 
          THEN TAKE THAT ONE OUT. 
          BUT JUST STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL. 
          STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL. 
          SO IF THOSE ARE ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL YEAH. 
          A MIX OF USES IS ALREADY ALLOWED. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT WE REALLY TRIED TO TARGET, 'CAUSE I TALKED WITH CYNTHIA A LOT ABOUT THIS AS WELL, IS THOSE AREAS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN DOING SOME KIND OF MIXED USE OR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT THE COMMUN, BUT IT'S NOT ZONED FOR IT. 
          AND THE HURDLE OF GETTING A COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT HAS, HAS BEEN A BIG ONE FOR PEOPLE. 
          AND SO IN SEEING A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT I, WE THINK THAT THE CITY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, UM, MAKING THESE CHANGES TO THE MAP DOES HELP ENCOURAGE IT. 
          AND SO WE RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, JUST OUR KNOWLEDGE OF WHO'S ASKED ABOUT WHICH DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, WHAT IDEAS HAVE FLOATED AROUND FOR YEARS, UM, MAYBE TRYING TO TAKE IT, TAKE THAT HURDLE OF THE MAJOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE COMMERCIAL GOING FROM COMMERCIAL TO MIXED USE WOULD NOT REALLY BE ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING ON THE NO, I'M SAYING THAT IN COMMERCIAL MIXED USE WOULD BE ALLOWED. 
          IT'S ALREADY ALLOWED. 
          SO WE DON'T, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS MAP RIGHT, WE SEE ALL OF THAT PLUS ALL OF THE PLANNED AREAS THAT ARE NOW MIXED USED AND SHOW UP IN GRAY. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, YEAH, SO I MEAN CURRENTLY WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR WHERE IT IS NOT NOW, UM, ENCOURAGED SOME OF THE HIGHER DENSITY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY? TO BE QUITE HONEST FOR, FOR OPTIONS? MM-HMM. 
           YOU MEAN LIKE THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS? SOME OF THE LIKE THE RSS TENS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, COMMERCIAL'S ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO DO ALL THE THINGS MIXED USE, BUT UM, UNFORTUNATELY OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS AREN'T SUPER MOTIVATED TO CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR PROPERTIES. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          OR MAINTAIN THEM OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAPPEN, SO TO SAY, LOOK AT HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL WE HAVE, IT'LL HELP WITH THINGS. 
          NO, NOT SO, I MEAN, THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD THE ABILITY TO DO THE THINGS IN MIXED USE AND THEY DON'T AND THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE. 
          THEY OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO ALLOWING OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE APPROPRIATE IS. 
          WELL I'M, YEAH. 
          AND I'M THINKING OF A COUPLE THAT EXIST IN, UM, GRASSHOPPER FLATS. 
          YEAH. 
          A FOUNDRY THAT'S ALSO UP RENTAL PROPERTY AND A HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I GUESS I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES IN MIND MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I THINK WE'D BE REALLY INTERESTED IN TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THOSE. 
          WHEN, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS WE DID TRY TO FOCUS ON, UM, FOCUS OUR ENERGIES ON LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE A LITTLE LARGER AND HAVE A MAYBE A LITTLE MORE POTENTIAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, OR SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS WHERE IT'S MOSTLY BUILT OUT. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE, WELL MY THOUGHT, MY THOUGHT AROUND IT IS MIXED USE CREATES WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, WHEN YOU HAVE AMENITIES CLOSE TO PEOPLE'S HOMES, THEY WALK AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT AMEN AMENITIES CLOSE TO PEOPLE'S HOMES, THEN THEY WON'T WALK. 
          LIKE ONE OF THE PEOPLE I, SOMEONE WAS JUST TALKING TO ME ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE REASON COLLEGE TOWNS CAN BE SO POPULAR IS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE ONE OF THE ONLY FOREST DEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOU CAN WALK TO ANYTHING YOU NEED. 
          RIGHT. 
          , UM, FOR A LOT OF REASONS. 
          BUT IF YOU GO TO THESE LARGE EXPANSIVE NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU ALLOW FOR A CORNER STORE, YOU ALLOW FOR A CAFE, YOU ALLOW FOR THOSE THINGS, THEN YOU'RE CREATING WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND WHEN THESE REDEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN, WE CAN GET SIDEWALKS, WE CAN GET BIKE PATHS, WE CAN GET THE THINGS THAT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, USING MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AS AN EXAMPLE, IT'S ONE OF IT'S, I'M IN KACHINA, IT'S LIKE ONE OF THE OLDEST PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS IN TOWN. 
          THERE IS NO SIDEWALK. 
          IT'S BASICALLY FULLY BUILT. 
          THERE'S 
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NO MOTIVATION FOR ANYONE TO CHANGE. 
          I WOULD LOVE A SIDEWALK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          SO GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO WALK TO AMENITIES IS HOW I THINK ABOUT MIXED USE. 
          LESS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STRATEGICALLY WHAT PARCEL I SEE IT AS STRATEGICALLY WHAT CHUNK OF LAND. 
          SO YOU CAN HAVE OH YEAH. 
          IF I WALK A BLOCK THAT WAY I HAVE A CORNER STORE AND I WALK TWO BLOCKS THAT WAY AND I'VE GOT A COFFEE SHOP, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST ONE PARCEL. 
          SO THAT'S MORE WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT CARRIE RATHER THAN SINGLE PARCELS. 
          I THINK IT'S, UM, SHORTSIGHTED TO ONLY PICK AND CHOOSE PARCELS THAT I GET. 
          WHY, LIKE YOU CAN FIND ONES THAT ARE DEFINITELY BETTER THAN OTHERS. 
          UH, BUT FOR ME, MIXED USE IS A SOLUTION FOR DENSITY, A SOLUTION FOR WALKABILITY, A SOLUTION FOR HOUSING DIVERSITY, COMMUNITY FOR COMMUNITY. 
          RIGHT NOW WALKING IN THIS TOWN IS MISERABLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE, NO. 
          AND, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA FIX TRAFFIC WITHOUT PEOPLE GETTING OUTTA THEIR CARS. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA FIX PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO LIVE HERE WITHOUT GIVING THEM PLACES TO GO THAT ARE ENJOYABLE. 
          AND SO TO ME, ONE OF THE BEST TOOLS WE HAVE TO HIT ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS AND ALL OF THOSE PAIN POINTS IS MIXED USE. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND WE'LL GET SOME BAD, WE'LL GET SOME BAD DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET THOSE ANYWAY. 
          SO THE WAY THE THE PLAN IS PRESENTED NOW IS ENCOURAGING MIXED USE WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S INTENTIONAL THAT WE WE'RE AVOIDING MAKING ANY BLANKET STATEMENT ABOUT ALLOWING IT OR EVEN HIGHER DENSITY INTO NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT'S AN INTENTIONAL RIGHT. 
          STANCE THAT THE PLAN IS TAKING. 
          AND IF, IF WE WERE TO PROPOSE IT IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, WOULD THAT BE A BLANKET STATEMENT ANYWHERE? UM, AND THEN I THINK ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT FROM OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THAT WOULD BRING A LOT OF OPPOSITION, RIGHT? SO WE, AS A 10 YEAR PLAN, WE FELT LIKE 10 YEARS WE CAN WORK ON THIS COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AREA FOR MIXED USE AND HIGHER DENSITY, BUT WORK ON IT. 
          I MEAN LIKE THE, THE DOESN'T COMMERCIALS ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT ALREADY. 
          WELL ONE OF THE IDEAS IN THE PLAN HERE IS THAT WE'RE THINKING A LOT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL MAYBE THAT HAVE HAD IT FOR YEARS, LIKE 30 YEARS, THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO. 
          THEY MIGHT JUST THINK COMMERCIAL, OH, I CAN ONLY DO COMMERCIAL. 
          SO THAT PLAN ITSELF IS ALSO TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHAT YOU CAN OR CAN'T DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY. 
          I, MY EXPERIENCE IS THERE'S NO MOTIVATION FOR CHANGE BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY CAN MAKE ON A PROPERTY THEY HAVEN'T TOUCHED IN 30 YEARS IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. 
          I GUESS. 
          AND, AND THIS IS KIND OF A FUNDAMENTAL PERSONAL, I KNOW WHY IT ENDED UP LIKE THIS. 
          I'M NOT ARGUING THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS HAPPENED. 
          I'M ARGUING THAT WE'RE LOSING A, A VALUABLE TOOL BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE THE GO PATHS THAT GO PAST THEIR HOUSES UNTIL THEY GO PAST THEIR HOUSES . 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I GUESS WHAT, WHAT IS THE SUGGESTION? THE SUGGESTION IS TO MAKE SOME BROAD SWEEPING AVAILABILITY FOR MIXED USE AND WHETHER THAT'S, WE WANNA PUT THAT ON A MAP OR A PATH LIKE, HEY, YOU THINK YOUR PROPERTY IS A GOOD FIT AND WHICH ISN'T A REZONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT COULD TAKE A MAJOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT LIKE, SO MAYBE WE DON'T WANNA PUT MIXED USE ON THIS MAP FOR THE FEAR OF PEOPLE BEING ANGRY. 
          I DON'T CARE IF PEOPLE ARE ANGRY WITH ME ABOUT ME SAYING THAT WE SHOULD PUT MIXED USE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT IF, IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT, THEN A PATH TO MIXED USE THAT ISN'T SO BURDENSOME COULD BE AN OPTION. 
          WELL I THINK AND YOU, YOU SIT ON A COUPLE, YOU, YOU'VE HIT ON A COUPLE THINGS. 
          SO LET'S THINK ABOUT THE MULTI-USE PATHS AND HOW BUSY THEY ARE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY IS AS THEY GET BUSIER AND BUSIER, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HEY, IT'S TO BE SO NICE IF THERE WAS A CAFE HERE SO I COULD GET BREAKFAST AND THERE'S A BATHROOM. 
          UM, AND THE CITIES DON'T WANNA PUT BATHROOMS ON MIXED USE PATHS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPERVISED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE FOLKS THAT SHOULDN'T BE USING THE BATHROOMS OUT. 
          SO THEN YOU WANNA HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH COMMERCIAL TO HAVE A COFFEE SHOP SO WE CAN GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE AND MOVE ON. 
          AND SO WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MIXED USE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD ENVISION ALL DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IT COULD JUST HONESTLY BE A COFFEE CART OR A CO A SMALL STANDALONE BUILDING THAT ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, FOR A COFFEE SHOP AND A BATHROOM. 
          ESPECIALLY AS WE BECOME MORE WALKABLE AND THE LACK OF BATHROOMS AND, AND, AND I, AND IT SEEMS GOOFY BUT HONESTLY DON'T YOU THINK IT'S AN EYESORE WHEN WE DRIVE BY THE GAS STATIONS AND THERE'S FOUR PORTA-POTTIES IN THE DRIVE, IN THE PARKING 
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LOT AND THAT WHOLE THING, THAT SAME CONCEPT WITH WALKABILITY WITH CITIZENS IS STILL THERE AS WELL. 
          JOGGERS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA GO FOUR MILES BUT THEY CAN'T GO 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. 
          STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT LIKE YOU, I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, RIGHT. 
          GOING HOW, HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY LOTS? I DON'T KNOW. 
          WELL, SO GOING BACK TO WHAT COLLIE SAID, I THINK THAT THE APPROPRIATE DIRECTION AND CYNTHIA CAN SHOOT ME A GLARE IF I'M SAYING SOMETHING WRONG. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE MORE TO PROVIDE A PATH FOR IT RATHER THAN UM, SPECIFIC PROPERTIES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND WHETHER, AND YOU'RE NOT TILL THE LAST CHAPTER YET THE IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER, BUT WE HAVE CHANGED THE RIGHT MAJOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA. 
          YES. 
          THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAN IT CURRENTLY IS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YOU COULD PUT SOMETHING IN, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL MIXED USE PATHS COULD BE CONSIDERED IF THEY ARE ALONG AN ESTABLISHED SHARED USE PATH. 
          IF THEY'RE WITHIN YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT RIGHT. 
          SOME, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE PROVIDING A NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITY. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN HAVE KIND OF SOME CRITERIA IN THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND IS FOR THESE SMALLER PROPERTIES, I BELIEVE THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT WOULD BE A MINOR AMENDMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN AS YOU KNOW, A LOT, LIKE I WAS SAYING, A LOT OF THESE CHANGES TO THE MAP CAME FROM THE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OF WHAT, WHAT ARE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN. 
          AND SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS THE CITY BUILDS OUT OUR SHARED USE PATH NETWORK AND WE GET MORE AND MORE, UM, CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO DO THIS 'CAUSE WE DON'T DO THIS, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'D BE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE PROJECTS THAT WE COULD BRING TO YOU. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULD ALSO, IN 10 YEARS WE CAN REVISIT AND SAY HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          THE CITY NOW HAS A THOUSAND MILES OF SHARED USE PATHS AND WE WANT A COFFEE SHOP ON EVERY CORNER OR SOME, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE MORE INFORMATION BUT LAYING SOME KIND OF PATH FOR IT RATHER THAN TAKING, I THINK WE'RE I THAT I'M GETTING CONFUSED. 
          'CAUSE WHEN YOU SAY THE PATH, I DON'T MEAN A LITERAL PATH. 
          NO, NO. 
          I THOUGHT YOU MEANT A LITERAL PATH. 
          HOW TO, HOW TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          I DO, I DO, I DO MEAN THAT. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT YOUR, THAT'S PHYSICAL PATH. 
          SO PATH GOES. 
          YEAH. 
          YES I DO. 
          BUT CARRIE, I THINK CARRIE HAS SUMMED IT UP AND THAT THAT CAN BE AN ACTION. 
          BUT CAN WE ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE CFAS WILL GO INTO MUCH MORE DETAILED PLANNING AND THE WAY WE HAVE DRAWN THESE CFAS ARE ALL AREAS WHERE WE ENVISION MIXED USE HAPPENING. 
          ARE THEY DEEPER THAN THE ONE LOT OFF OF THE COMMERCIAL? YES. 
          THE C FFA PROPOSED THE MOST PART. 
          AND ALSO THE OTHER NOTE THAT'S IN HERE IS THAT THESE BOUNDARIES WOULD BE DETERMINED AT THE TIME OF THE RIGHT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THESE ARE SUGGESTED BOUNDARIES. 
          WELL THEN MAYBE WE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT IN ALSO IN THE ACTION PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          IF IT'S NOT ALREADY, I THINK IT'S IN HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SOMEWHERE. 
          SO I, I KIND OF HEAR TWO THINGS. 
          CREATE THE PATH AS AN ACTION ITEM, NOT A PHYSICAL PATH, BUT THE WAY WE KNOW THAT MAKE YOUR PROPERTY EASIER. 
          A PROPERTY OR THE POTENTIAL OF MORE MIXED USE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND SECONDARILY, UH, UNDERSCORE THAT IN THE CFA, THE WEST SEDONA COURT OR CFA PLANNING AND UPTOWN, THAT THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED AS A THOUGHT AS WELL. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT MAKES SENSE. 
          MY, ONE OF THE THINGS CYNTHIA SAID THIS MORNING WAS KIND OF LIKE A LIGHT BULBS THING FOR ME. 
          THERE IS SO MUCH IN THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ASPECT OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          AND AS SHE SAID, WITH THE CHANGE IN STATUTE BECAUSE, OR NOT CHANGE IN STATUTE WITH OUR DROP IN POPULATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THE ONLY REQUIRED BY STATUTE THING THAT WE HAVE TO PRODUCE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP? THAT'S LAND. 
          WE'RE DOING OTHER THINGS. 
          LAND USE AND CIRCULATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THE WAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW AND DEALING WITH IT BY FEBRUARY 20TH IS SLIPPING IN SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT. 
          MM-HMM  AND PROBABLY THE MOST CONCRETE TOOL THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE. 
          YOU KNOW, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS ITS OWN MEETING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH IN HERE ALSO THAT THIS IS GONNA GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. 
          AND, AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE INTENTIONAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHERS FEEL ABOUT THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, AS I SAID, I SPENT AN HOUR ON IT. 
           JOE'S DISMAY WHEN I WAS NO, NO, NO. 
          IT WAS LIKE, I CONSIDER THIS PIECE OF THIS 
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ONE MAP. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT, THE MOST IMPORTANT MAP OF ANY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I AM SHOCKED, I WILL SAY I AM SHOCKED THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THAT WELL, BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT, BUT NO ONE IS, NO ONE. 
          I RANDOMLY WENT UP TO STRANGERS. 
          HI, I AM JOE MARTIN. 
          I'M ON PNZ, HOW ARE YOU TODAY? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT? PAINT CHIPS, PARKING AND GARBAGE? OR, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF EVERYONE'S HEAD BECAUSE THIS AFFECTS YOUR PROPERTY VALUES. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS THE KEY. 
          THIS IS THE KEY OF THE FUTURE OF SEDONA. 
          AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD HAVE A MEETING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WOULD SHOW. 
          NO. 
          WELL, WE'VE BEEN TALKING, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS. 
          HAVE YOU, THROUGH OUR PLANNING PROCESS YEAH. 
          WITH OUR, OUR WORKING GROUP. 
          YES. 
          THEY, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CHAPTER, UHHUH . 
          AND WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE CHAPTER, EYES GLAZE OVER. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT I DON'T DOUBT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T, IT SHOULDN'T GET ITS ATTENTION NOW. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I'M, I'M JUST AFRAID OF IT. 
          SO MAYBE WE GO UP A LITTLE HIGHER HERE. 
          UM, IN THE, WHAT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND EMBELLISH, UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, IF WE CAN'T PULL IT OUT AND EXPLAIN IT AND ALMOST HAVE IT, UM, BE ITS OWN MEETING. 
          OH, OH, OH. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING NOW? OH, OKAY. 
          WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S PRACTICAL. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT GIVEN THE TIME CONSTRAINTS, BUT, UM, WELL, AND IT'S, IT'S ALSO, IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY, IT'S NOT A ZONING MAP WHERE WE'RE GIVING A SUGGESTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, IF ZONING, WHAT HA WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR FULL MAP ZONING CHANGES? IS THAT A WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS? YES. 
          OR DO YOU GUYS JUST TAKE IF A PROPERTY OWNER CAME IN? NO. 
          LIKE WHEN YOU GUYS CHANGE THE ZONING MAP? WELL, THAT'S, WE, THE CITY DOESN'T WAIT FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF THE ONE TIME THAT, SO WE DON'T EVER REALLY CHANGE THE ZONING MAP ON OUR OWN. 
          I THINK WE DID CF ON SOMETHING ONCE. 
          THIS IS KIND OF THE ONE TIME THAT WE WOULD REALLY LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          BUT EVEN CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, OR GENERALLY INITIATED BY, IT'S THE SINGLE 10 YEARS AGO. 
          UH, HOW DID YOU ADDRESS THIS ASPECT? HUH? THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE PLAN. 
          THEY DIDN'T CHANGE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WASN'T CHANGED. 
          NO. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          WELL, BUT NOW WE ARE INITIATING CHANGES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO DRAWING ATTENTION TO THAT AND UNDERSTANDING IT AND HAVING THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND IT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE NEED TO SPEND TIME ON IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T DUNNO THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           PULL IT OUT. 
          MAKES SENSE TO ME. 
          BUT TIME-WISE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, BUT ALSO IF SHE'S BEEN TRYING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND THE EXPERIENCE SHE'S HAD IS THEY DON'T WANNA, PEOPLE AREN'T ENGAGING. 
          AND ALSO JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, WELL, THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T GO THERE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WE TRIED UHHUH,  DIDN'T GO VERY FAR. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I JUST ALSO WANTED TO MAKE YOU ALL AWARE THAT WE HAVE NOTIFIED ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHOSE LAND USE DESIGNATION HAS CHANGED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, BY THE END OF ALL OF THIS, THEY WILL HAVE GOTTEN, I THINK, THREE TO FOUR LETTERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SENT ONE LETTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE SENDING THEM ANOTHER ONE. 
          AND WAS THAT PUTTING THEM ON NOTICE SO THAT THEY COULD AFFECT THE PROPOSED CHANGE SO THAT THEY CAN COMMENT? AND SO FAR WE'VE ONLY HAD, I WOULD SAY, MAYBE THREE PHONE CALLS AND THEY'RE JUST QUESTIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T SAY, I DON'T LIKE THIS OR ANYTHING. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A DOWNWARD ZONING. 
          IT'S AN ENHANCED OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK WOULD BE PROBABLY NON-EXISTENT, I'M GUESSING. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT MOST OF THE LARGER PROPERTIES WHO ARE AFFECTED, THEY'RE ALREADY AWARE THAT, YEAH. 
          UM, THE COMMUNITY FUND DESIGNATION THEY HAVE IS, DOES NOT MATCH UP WITH WHAT THEY HOPE TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. 
          SO A LOT OF, WELL, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE PROPERTY OWNER, IT'S THEMSELVES SURROUNDINGS, IT'S ALSO THE SURROUNDING ONES. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE NOT REACHING OUT TO THEM AT THIS POINT. 
          YOU'RE JUST REACHING OUT TO WELL, WITH THE GENERAL NOTIFICATIONS ABOUT THE PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT NOT PARCEL SPECIFICALLY. 
          BUT I'LL SAY THOUGH, ONE OF THE PHONE CALLS WAS FROM AN ADJACENT PARCEL OWNER. 
          OH. 
          WHO WAS AWARE, YEAH. 
          OF THE FUTURE LAND USE, MA'AM. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF HIS WAS CHANGING. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT WE PUT THIS ON PUBLIC NOTICE. 
          I RECEIVED TWO POSTCARDS, FACEBOOK EMAILS REPEATEDLY TO COMMENT ON THIS COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          AND AS A, AS A COMMISSIONER, I'VE ASKED PEOPLE TO COMMENT ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
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I'VE INVITED LIKE, WHAT, HOW MANY PEOPLE, STEVE, DID WE INVITE FOUR PEOPLE? UH, YOU AND I TOGETHER? MM-HMM. 
           AT ONE SECTION TO COME TO TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THEM OPPORTUNITY. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY AT THIS POINT. 
          WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHEN THE EYES GLASS OVER, I MEAN PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, BUT GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT A MAP WITH A LOT OF PRETTY COLORS. 
          ALL THEY WANNA DO IS GO ON HERE AND SAY, OKAY, WHERE'S MY HOUSE? WHERE'S MY HOUSE ? AND IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SEE MY HOUSE NEXT TO SOMETHING THAT USED TO BE RESIDENTIAL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND NOW IT'S MIXED USE, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WHOA, WAIT A SECOND HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S MY HOUSE. 
          RIGHT NEXT TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO GETS YOUR ATTENTION. 
          BUT IT'S NOT LIKE ANY OF, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, WERE SINGLE FAMILY THAT WERE SWITCHING TO MIXED USE IN MOST CASES IT WAS PLANNED AREA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT FROM MIXED USE. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE ACTUALLY THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN THERE AS A PLANNED AREA. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IT'S HARD TO TELL LOOKING AT THIS MAP, BUT WHEN YOU DID THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP, DID YOU GUYS ANTICIPATE THE, YOU KNOW, FOREST ROAD, YOU KNOW, EXTENSION SO THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOME MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL ALONG THAT? WE, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE UPTOWN CFA PLAN, WE MET WITH, UH, SOME OF THOSE LANDOWNERS AND TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND SO I FEEL LIKE THEY KIND OF DECIDED WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO AT THAT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND FOR EXAMPLE, THEY, ONE OF THE MAJOR PROPERTY OWNERS SUBDIVIDED AND RETAINED THEIR, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DESIGNATION. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA POTENTIALLY LOOK AT? I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          LATTE DRIVE-THROUGH WHAT?  . 
          OH, LATTE DRIVE A LATTE. 
          DRIVE-THROUGH LIKE TOPOGRAPHICALLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND CARRIE MAY, SHE'S MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT, , IS THAT ONCE IT LEAVES, YOU KNOW, THE NEW PART STARTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S LIKE A STEEP THERE, THERE'S NOTHING THERE. 
          STEEP DOWNHILL. 
          UNLESS YOU'RE SELLING TOBO AND RUN TICKETS, MAYBE A SKATEBOARD TOBO AND RUN  RENTAL SKATEBOARD. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT WITH THE DRIVEWAYS FOR SOME OF THE SUBDIVIDED PARCELS, IT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING TO GET TO THEM. 
          UM, , SO THEY HAVEN'T SUBDIVIDED YET. 
          THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION IN THAT YOU WILL HOPEFULLY BE SEEING SOON. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHAT COLLIE WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IS IF THERE IS A PATH FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES TO BECOME MIXED USE, ONCE THIS ROAD GOES IN, IT WILL HAVE A SHARED USE PATH. 
          IT WOULD HAVE SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT AMENITIES. 
          AND SO IT MIGHT FALL INTO A CATEGORY WHERE WE'D SAY, OKAY, NOW THAT THIS ROAD IS BUILT MM-HMM. 
          , UM, IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, HERE'S A PATH FOR YOU TO DO THAT. 
          IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WE'RE USING PATH, AGAIN, TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          SORRY, , COULD WE SAY PATHWAY PROCESS? YOU HAVE A PROCESS. 
          A PROCESS. 
          THE PROCESS ON A PROCESS PROCESS, BECAUSE YOU'RE ON YEAH. 
          SO LIKE THAT CRITERIA THAT WE COME UP WITH, UM, TO CREATE THE PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, MIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT COVER THAT, BUT I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WE CAN RE WE CAN LOOK AT THEM MORE PARCEL BY PARCEL. 
          I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF MY COMMENTS TOO. 
          UM, BUT THE LARGEST PARCEL THAT THAT ROAD IS GOING THROUGH THERE, MOVING FORWARD WITH A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, AND THE PATH QUOTE PROCESS, UM, REALLY GETS AT PAGE 98 WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLAN AMENDMENTS AND WHAT WOULD BE MINOR VERSUS MAJOR. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD PROBABLY NOW FALL UNDER MINOR. 
          AND I'M, I'M REQUESTING JUST A, A THOUGHT ON SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC AND MAYBE MORE STREAMLINED THAN EVEN THAT FOR MIXED USE IN PLACES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE MORE WALKABLE A PROCESS ON THE PATH. 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M CALLING IT. 
          GUESS JUST WHAT TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT NONE OF THIS CHANGES ZONING FOR ANYBODY, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND SO EVEN IF SOMEBODY HAS THEIR COMMUNITY PLAN DESIGNATION CHANGE, THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A ZONING PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WITH THE MI, WITH MOST OF THESE CHANGES BEING CLASSIFIED AS A MINOR AMENDMENT, IT'S THE EXACT SAME PROCESS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS REQUIREMENT AS THE ZONE CHANGE PROCESS. 
          SO IT WOULD NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARINGS OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE WOULD JUST DO, OR THE ONCE 
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THE YEAR THING. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT WOULD NOT APPLY TO MOST OF THESE ANYMORE. 
          AND, AND JUST TO READ FROM THIS ONE, UM, IT CAN BE A MINOR AMENDMENT IF IT'S LESS THAN FIVE ACRES. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO, LET'S SEE, NOT GOING TO LODGING, NOT GOING TO COMMERCIAL LODGING. 
          SO I THINK IN YOUR MIND, IF YOU'RE THINKING OF SOME EXAMPLES OUT THERE, AND I THINK THE ONES ON FOREST ROAD, ARE THOSE GONNA BE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES? YEAH. 
          THEY'RE ALL LESS THAN FIVE ACRES. 
          SO IN THAT CASE, IT'S JUST A MINOR AMENDMENT ZONE CHANGE. 
          YOU DO IT THE SAME TIME YOU DO THE ZONE CHANGE. 
          SO LET'S, I WANNA GO BACK TO WHERE CHARLOTTE STARTED AND, AND I HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          , IF, IF, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I CAN PROBABLY ASSIMILATE THIS AND MAKE A DECISION ON IT YEAH. 
          BY OUR NEXT MEETING. 
          UM, BUT MAYBE IF WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COUNSEL, IT COULD BE, UH, THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER OUTSIDE OF, OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE'RE SHOWN ON FEBRUARY 20TH, AND WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE WANNA RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL BE CHANGED YES. 
          WHEN WE VOTE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MAYBE ONE THING WE COULD CONSIDER WOULD BE TO SUGGEST TO COUNSEL THAT THEY MAY WISH MM-HMM. 
           TO HOLD SEPARATE HEARINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           A SEPARATE HEARING ON THIS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY OUR RECOMMENDATION IS YEAH. 
          TO APPROVE THIS AS PART OF YEAH. 
          BUT YOU MAY WISH TO RIGHT. 
          PULL THIS OUT AND CREATE A, A, A LARGER PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           GOOD. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          AM I, I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          AS LONG AS YOU'RE, WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE MOVING IT FROM FORWARD NOW ON THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I DID WHAT'S THE DALE'S, UM, LAND USE DESIGNATION? IT'S IN THE COUNTY. 
          SO IT'S NOT ON THE CITY MAP. 
          IT'S THE PARDON? IT'S COUNTY. 
          IT'S COUNTY. 
          IT'S COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          WHEN WE SAY IT'S CITY OWNED, IT'S CITY OWNED. 
          BUT IT'S WITHIN THE COUNTY. 
          IS IT? I THINK IT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          OH, THE ZONING IN THE COUNTY. 
          I WOULD'VE NEVER GUESSED THAT. 
          . 
          I THINK, I THINK ALL OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          INTERESTING. 
          I WOULDN'T LIVE EITHER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING OUT THERE. 
          UNLESS, UNLESS WE ANNEXED IT IN. 
          JOE LIKES THE WORD ANNEX, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO, I MEAN, TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A, A PLAN FOR IT. 
          NO, TRUE. 
          TRUE. 
          WE DON'T, WE DON'T. 
          ANOTHER IDEA ON THE MAP, UM, THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS PUTTING TOGETHER A TABLE THAT LISTS OUT MM-HMM. 
          , ALL OF THE PARCELS, WHAT THEY'RE GOING FROM, AND TWO, UM, WHICH MIGHT HELP PEOPLE GOOD. 
          KIND OF DIGEST THIS A LITTLE EASIER. 
          GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          ADD LIST OF CHANGES. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO JUST TOUCH POINT OF WHAT WILL SAID IN REGARDS TO, UH, HIM BEING COLORBLIND AND CAN'T READ THE MAP. 
          UM, SO AS YOU LIST OUT PARCELS, OR EVEN ON THE LEGEND, IF MAYBE WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO A, UH, NUMERIC SYSTEM. 
          I'M SORRY, A A WHAT SYSTEM? NUMERICAL. 
          NUMERICAL. 
          OH, NUMERICAL. 
          BUT YOU, THERE IS A MAP THAT EXISTS THAT THERE IS I THINK THE CURRENT ZONING MAP, LIKE IT'LL SAY C MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
           ON ALL THE COMMERCIAL AND IT LISTS ALL THE REVISIONS YEAH. 
          IN A LEAD BOX. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S NUMERICAL OR JUST USING NO, THE ZONING APP WILL SAY LIKE, YEP. 
          CO OR S 10 L YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          S 10 OR, YEAH. 
          SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY JUST DO THAT. 
          WELL, YOU CAN'T SEE THE BARRIERS STILL. 
          I CAN FIGURE THAT OUT IF IT'S JUST, IF YOU, YOU NEED TO, CAN YOU MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE THICKEN THE LINES AND PUT SOME, I MEAN, IN THE COLOR ITSELF, IT NEEDS TO SAY SINGLE FAMILY OR SOMETHING IN THE COLOR, BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THAT COLOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHICH COLOR HERE IS THE SAME AS THE COLOR UP HERE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST ALL A MISHMASH OF NOTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THE, THIS MAP IS THE OFFICIAL DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY, THE OFFICIAL MAP DONE BY OUR GIS DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, PART OF THE ISSUE IS SCALE IN THE PLAN. 
          UM, SO WE, WE WILL LOOK INTO HOW TO IMPROVE ON THAT. 
          THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR EVERYBODY. 
          BUT MAYBE WE CAN DO, MAY SEE BROWN WHEN IT'S RED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, MAYBE WE COULD DO A QR CODE THAT PUTS 'EM TO THE WEBSITE THAT IS AVAILABLE SO THEY CAN EXPAND BY OH YEAH. 
          SO MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO ACCESSIBILITY. 
          IT'S ON THE PLAN, SEDONA, WHERE YOU CAN GO TO THE MAP AND ZOOM IN, AND THEN WHEN WE DO THE FINAL 
          [02:25:01]
PLAN, WE'LL HAVE EMBEDDED LINKS SO THAT YOU CAN CLICK ON THE MAP AND IT'LL PULL UP A LARGE ZOOMABLE VERSION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST AGAIN, IT'S BACK TO ACCESSIBILITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND IF WE CAN DO IT, LIKE, LIKE WILL SAID, WE DON'T WANNA SPEND A FORTUNE ON IT, BUT IF THERE'S JUST A WAY TO MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE, UM, VISION ISSUES AND MAKE THE PLAN MORE ACCESSIBLE TO OUR ADAPTIVE COMMUNITY. 
          ANYTHING WITHIN THE LAND USE CHAPTER, ANYTHING MORE YOU WANNA BRING UP? IT WASN'T RESOLVED IN YOUR PRIVATE MEETINGS. 
          I DID HAVE A QUESTION THAT I FAILED TO BRING UP AT THE MEETING, AND THAT WAS, LET'S SEE, EXPLAIN ARA, UH, RANGER ROAD. 
          IS THIS A FUTURE CFA? UM, WE LEARNED THIS MORNING WAS RANGER ROAD WILL BE PART OF THE NEW UPTOWN CFA OH. 
          OH. 
          WELL THEN THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONNECTED. 
          AND THAT IDEA KIND OF FLOATED IN MY HEAD, BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IT IS, YEAH. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU'RE JUST GONNA GO WITH UPTOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE MAP ON 47, IT JUST GROUPS WHAT USED TO BE THREE CFAS INTO ONE. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          I SEE IT PULLS IN THE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, THE FORUM, UH, ASKED US TO GIVE OUR PREFERENCE FOR STARTING OFF WITH THE WEST SEDONA OR THE UPTOWN CFA AND IT WAS PREPONDERANCE WAS WENT TO WHAT? WEST SEDONA, WHICH HAD BEEN ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          WAS THERE A PRIORITY FOR TIMING ON THOSE? ARE YOU USING THAT AS YOUR DIRECTION OR INTERNALLY? UM, WE MAY NOW  . 
          YEAH. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW WHICH WAY THAT WOULD GO. 
          AND IT WAS DEFINITELY ON BOTH DAYS, SATURDAY AND THURSDAY. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? IT WAS PREDOMINANTLY WEST SEDONA. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WOULD SEE, I WOULD'VE GUESSED UPTOWN BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IN THEORY IT'S MUCH FURTHER ALONG ALREADY. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT, BUT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I'M SAYING THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE IN TERMS OF WEST SEDONA. 
          THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY PLANNING PERIOD. 
          THE END, THE WEST SEDONA COURT CORRIDOR PLAN YEP. 
          WAS A THING FOR 20 YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          20 YEARS AGO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          HEY STEVE. 
          SO NOW, NOW MAYBE WE CAN GET ON WITH IT. 
          THINK ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT MIXED USE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, STEVE ON THE WEST SEDONA CORRIDOR COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA, THE OPPORTUNITIES, DO YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT WE COULD PUT A BULLET POINT REFERENCING THE 2024 PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE? COULD YOU TELL ME WHERE YOU ARE PAGE WISE? PAGE 45. 
          AND WHAT WOULD YOU MIND SAYING THAT AGAIN? I DIDN'T, CAN YOU THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU SAID UNDER, I SAID UNDER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN WE REFERENCE THE 2024 BUILDING CODE ON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE? MY ISSUE IS THAT, UM, I THINK MOST OF WEST 89 A LOOKS LIKE A DUMP AND PEOPLE AREN'T MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTIES, THEIR BUILDINGS, THEIR LANDSCAPING. 
          I HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME TO VISIT AND THEY'RE LIKE, THIS IS SEDONA. 
          WE'RE NOT A FRISCO AVAIL IN ASPEN, A PARK CITY, AND WE SHOULD BE. 
          UM, NO. 
          AND SO WE TALKED A LOT TODAY ABOUT HOW DO WE GET, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE CRAP. 
          A LOT OF THEM ON 89 A. 
          AND SO HOW DO WE, I THINK I PHRASED IT, INCENTIVIZE I IN PHRASED IT, THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ENVIRONMENT. 
          UHHUH OUR FABRIC IS FADING AND DULL AND GETTING HOLES AND YEAH. 
          UM, WE SHOULDN'T BE IN THAT SITUATION. 
          SO WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE PLANNING ON ADOPTING THE 2024 CODE FOUR CODE, UHHUH,  AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, MORE STAFF. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE ACCOUNTABILITY TO GET THESE PROPERTY OWNERS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE PRIDE  YES. 
          AND MAINTAIN THEIR BUILDINGS. 
          AND MAINTAIN THEIR LANDSCAPING AND EXCELLENT. 
          TOO MANY SIGNS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YEAH. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE LANGUAGE OR HAVE YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT? NO. 
          , WE TALKED ABOUT IT TODAY, BUT, BUT YOU PITCHED THAT AND YOU CAN EXPRESS THAT. 
          SO YES. 
          UM, IS THERE AN ACTION ITEM IN WITHIN THAT? THERE IS NOT. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JUST GOT BROUGHT UP IN OUR DISCUSSION TODAY. 
          UM, AND, AND THE ANSWER WAS THAT, UH, WHEN WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO UPDATE OUR BUILDING CODES, AND AS PART OF THAT WHOLE PROJECT OR PROCESS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO 
          [02:30:01]
ADOPT THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE AS WELL. 
          HMM. 
          AND SO, UM, IT ANSWERED TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, MAYBE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFYING THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IDENTIFYING THE PROCESS THAT YOU JUST STATED, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT IS TO LOOK AT, UH, UPDATING THESE BUILDINGS, PROVIDING A MORE COHESIVE, UH, DESIGN TO THEM. 
          UM, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE OR OTHER AREAS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY BE WHAT WE'D WANNA FOCUS ON AND NOT, NOT SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, SAY JUST THE IPMC. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GLAD YOU PICKED UP ON THAT AND MADE THAT, UM, SUGGESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, WELL, I ALSO FEEL THAT IN REGARDS TO WORKING WITH OLDER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE MAINTENANCE ISSUES, THAT A LOT OF TIMES, UM, THERE ARE CITIES THAT OFFER GRANTS FOR FACADE REPAIR AND, AND, AND PROPERTY MAN, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY, LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DOES? UH, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, UH, THAT GETS THOSE GRANTS PUT INTO THE CITY? I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER, UM, OPPORTUNITIES THERE. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A CDC HERE? I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DEVELOP A GRANT PROGRAM? I THINK SO. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. 
          ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY LIST. 
          . 
          EXCELLENT. 
          KATHY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. 
          DO WE HAVE A POTENTIAL STOPPING OR PAUSING POINT FOR THIS EVENING? I, I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU LEAVING AT SEVEN 15? I, THAT WAS KIND OF MY GOAL. 
          YEAH. 
          WAS SEVEN 15, SO I CAN GET HOME FOR SEVEN 30. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK WE NEED A BREAK. 
          UH, 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          SO WE'LL COME BACK AT, UM, SEVEN 15. 
          IT DID GET COLDER OUTSIDE, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. 
          GOOD TO KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          MICS ARE ON. 
          WE'RE BACK IN SESSION AT SEVEN 16. 
          I DUNNO WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS ANY MORE. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          ANY MORE COMMENTS IN THE, UH, LAND USE SECTION? I HAVE A COMMENT THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN I WAS DISCUSSING ACCESSIBILITY FOR FOLKS THAT VISION ISSUES AND OTHER ADOPT FOLKS. 
          UM, THE OTHER OPTION OR OTHER THING THAT I KEEPS COMING ACROSS IN MY HEAD IS HOW MANY LANGUAGES IS THIS DOCUMENT GOING TO BE IN? YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES A POINT OF SAYING, UM, WE NEED OUR CITY PUBLICATIONS AND OTHER THINGS TO BE AVAILABLE TO SPANISH SPEAKING. 
          SPANISH READING. 
          WE HAVE A CALL IN RIGHT NOW, UM, TO SOMEBODY THAT DOES TRANSLATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO OUR INTENT IS TO GET IT IN SPANISH AS WELL. 
          PERFECT. 
          IS THAT AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS, AM I CORRECT? 20% OF OUR POPULATION IS HISPANIC? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN DO WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS ARE AFTER THE CENSUS? WHAT OTHER, UM, NATIONALITIES THAT WE HAVE HERE? ETHNIC GROUPS? YES. 
          VERY SMALL, VERY NEGLIGIBLE ON EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER THAN, UM, CAUCASIAN. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOUSING. 
          HAVE WE COME TO THE POINT WHERE YOU WANTED US TO GO BACK, OR IS THAT LITTLE LATER IN THE PLAN THAT YOU, THAT YOU WELL, YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? WE'LL START WITH HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WASN'T BIG ISSUE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT PAGE WE'RE ON PAGE 49. 
          HOUSING. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FIRST PAGE OF JEFF CHAPTER FIVE. 
          CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING MEANS? I THINK IT REFER TO THIS DIAGRAM. 
          I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE DIAGRAM, ISN'T THERE? PAGE, PAGE 52. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          IT'S PAGE 52. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MINOR, 
          [02:35:01]
BUT, UM, PAGE 52. 
          I THINK 0.2 OR PHASE TWO SHOULD PRECEDE, NEVERMIND. 
          NO, NEVERMIND. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAID TOO, . 
          YEAH, IT DOES. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD HAVE A PLAN FIRST. 
          BUT THE COMMITMENT WAS FOR, THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY ON PAGE 52 WHERE IT OUTLINES WHY DOES SEDONA LACK AMPLE MIDDLE, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN IT LISTS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS O OKAY. 
          NOW WHAT, SO WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED POLICIES OR ACTION PLANS AROUND BEING ABLE TO FULFILL THIS MISSING MIDDLE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THAT ABOUT THAT? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAME TO A CONCLUSION. 
          WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WE NEEDED SUGGESTIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACTION ITEMS. RIGHT. 
          NO ACTION ITEMS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ACTION ITEMS. YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS AGO, MORE OR MORE, THERE WAS A WAVE OF, UM, APARTMENTS THAT CONVERTED TO CONDOMINIUMS. MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THAT TOOK ITS OWN TOLL ON OUR RENTAL HOUSING. 
          YOU ADD TO THAT, THE STR YEAH. 
          ISSUE WITH 1100 UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN LOST, A PORTION OF WHICH HAVE BEEN LOST TO LONG-TERM RENTALS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S BEEN A STACKABLE PROBLEM THAT'S GOTTEN WORSE OVER TIME WITH DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO DO YOU SEE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL ACTION ITEMS THAT WE'RE MISSING? UH, WELL, I MEAN, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE LAND USE, OBVIOUSLY. 
          YES. 
          AND BEING ABLE TO EXPAND ON THAT SO THAT WE COULD HAVE MORE MULTI-USE MIXED USE. 
          YES. 
          UM, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY COME UP WITH A SOLUTION OTHER THAN WE NEEDED SOME . 
          WE NEED MORE. 
          WE NEED MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE NEED MORE, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER AT THE CONFERENCE MM-HMM. 
          , THAT DOMINION, UM, COMPANY THAT WAS DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          YES. 
          THERE WAS AN ARTICLE. 
          I SAW THE OTHER SPEAK UP TO THE NIGHT ARTICLE I SAW THE OTHER DAY ABOUT, UH, TWO OR THREE PROJECTS IN GLENDALE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT THEY WERE EITHER BREAKING GROUND ON OR IN VARIOUS STAGES OF ANYWAY. 
          I WONDER IF AN ACTION ITEM COULD BE EXPLORE PARTNERS, PARTNERSHIPS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE'VE GOT PARTNERSHIPS ELSEWHERE WITH DEVELOPERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT MAYBE, UM, FED UP A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE MORE LASER FOCUSED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BECAUSE, UM, THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY DIDN'T SEEM TO DO THE SCALE THAT WE WOULD NEED, THE SMALLER SCALE THAT WE WOULD NEED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY WERE VERY, BUT THEY WERE, THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THE MIDDLE, THAT, THAT WHOLE SESSION THAT WE ATTENDED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT WAS ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, UM, BRINGING BACK KIND OF THE OLD FASHIONED DUPLEXES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OR COURT STYLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           LIVING OR COHOUSING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALL OF THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          DO YOU, DO WE NEED TO EMBELLISH ANYTHING IN HERE? WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW REALISTIC IT IS TO SAY, UM, INVESTIGATE PARTNERSHIPS WITH MM-HMM. 
           DEVELOPERS. 
          I MEAN, USUALLY WE GO TO, I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY SHANNON'S NOT HERE, BUT IF SHE WAS, YEAH, SHE WOULD SAY THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HER JOB IS, . 
          UM, AND IT JUST TAKES TIME. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW AND SHE'S STARTING TO GET SOME TRACTION, AND THE CITY HAS ACQUIRED LAND AND SHE IS WORKING WITH VARIOUS DEVELOPERS. 
          AND PROBABLY IN THE NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GONNA SEE A, UM, A COUPLE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS COME THROUGH, BUT JUST THE, IT, SO IT IS HAPPENING. 
          UM, AND SO WE WOULD JUST, I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THE WORK THAT SHE'S BEEN DOING. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THIS IS A CHAPTER WHERE I WOULD PROBABLY GROUP ALL OF THE ACTION ITEMS TOGETHER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BECAUSE MM-HMM. 
           UNDER HOUSING DIVERSITY, THERE'S THREE ACTION ITEMS, AND THEN A COUPLE PAGES LATER, THERE'S THREE MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND REALLY ALL OF THEM WILL BE GETTING AT HOW CAN WE GET MORE MISSING MIDDLE. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO, SO YOU'RE THINKING OF COMBINING THEM, DID YOU SAY, OR, WELL, THIS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE IT'S NOT ONE ACTION PER POLICY. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE ASSESS POSSIBLE CHANGES TO PROGRAMS, PROCEDURES THAT WOULD APPLY WHETHER IT'S MISSING MIDDLE OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          SIMILARLY, WE'VE GOT PARTNER WITH DEVELOPERS. 
          SO ALL OF THESE ACTION ITEMS MM-HMM. 
           CAN APPLY TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING. 
          MM-HMM. 
           
          [02:40:01]
SOMETHING. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY WITH REGARDS TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE IMPACTS OF THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CITIES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HAVING A SISTER CITY WITH IS CANMORE CANADA. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHEN THE MAYOR CAME TO VISIT, HE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE MANAGING THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL SORT OF CRISIS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID IS THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE AN ADDITIONAL TAX THAT THEY PAY. 
          UM, AND THAT MONEY GOES TO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, CITY ACQUIRED PROPERTY, THEN THEY BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THEN THEY ALSO DIVERT SOME OF IT TO, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES. 
          SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT ACTION ITEM THAT PERHAPS OUR CITY COULD DO. 
          WE HAVE THAT CAPACITY. 
          KURT, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? ? , I WAS JUST SAYING THAT WHEN THE MAYOR FROM CANMORE CAME, HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE MANAGES THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL CRISIS IN HIS AREA, AND THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED AN ADDITIONAL TAX WITHIN THEIR CITY, AND THOSE FUNDS GO TO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND AND AN INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADE FUND. 
          AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY, SO, SO WE'RE LIMITED TO TAXING, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE THE EXACT SAME WAY THAT WE TAX HO HOTEL, TRADITIONAL LODGING. 
          SO ANY INCREASE WOULD BE ON BOTH, UH, ANY FURTHER INCREASES IN HOTEL BED TAX HAS TO BE USED TO MANAGING TOURISM AS WELL. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE COULD EXACTLY APPLY IT TOWARDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, WE'RE LIMITED TO $200, UH, UP TO $250 FOR THE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WE CAN GIVE BOTH. 
          OH. 
          WE ARE LIMITED, WE'RE LIMITED BY STATE LAW. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT, CAN'T EXCEED $250 ANNUALLY, SO I, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THAT, NOT DIRECTLY. 
          NO. 
          THAT'S TOO BAD. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THERE ARE A LOT OF INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS OUT THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND IT MAY BE PART OF SHANNON'S, UM, JOB DESCRIPTION ANYWAY, TO BE INVESTIGATING THOSE WITH, UH, CITIES THAT ARE LIKE US CITIES THAT AREN'T LIKE US AND IN TERMS OF SIZE AND SO FORTH. 
          BUT I ALWAYS WONDER, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA REINVENT THE WHEEL. 
          WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE? MM-HMM. 
           AND, MM-HMM. 
          , MAYBE SOME KIND OF STATEMENT ABOUT, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY SEE THE RESULTS. 
          IF SHE'S DOING IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GET REPORTED OUT. 
          MAYBE SHE'S MAKING REPORTS TO COUNSEL AND I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER ONES ARE DOING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, SOME SORT OF MORE ROBUST COMPARISON SEEKING OUT INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS. AND TO THAT POINT, IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          UM, THERE'S A SUGGESTION OF ADDITIONAL STAFFING. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH SECTION IT WAS IN. 
          SUSTAINABILITY. 
          WAS IT? WE SAID THIS MORNING, , WE, WE JUST SAID, WE JUST SAID DON'T ADD, UM, ADD PEOPLE. 
          IT'S NOT THAT, DON'T ADD PEOPLE. 
          A A LOT OF THIS MIGHT IMPLY THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF. 
          YES. 
          BUT TO CALL OUT AS AN ACTION ITEM, UM, ADD STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST DOESN'T SEEM, THEN I WON'T MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO ADD STAFF TO THE HOUSING AREA. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK ADDITIONAL STAFFING COULD FLOW FROM A LOT OF THIS. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          POINT, POINT WELL MADE, UM, WHEN WE DID OUR ONE-ON-ONE, I MADE A COMMENT AND I, I STILL MAINTAIN IT. 
          THIS IS A HORRIBLE GRAPHIC. 
          WHICH ONE? HUH? OH, YOU DON'T LIKE IT MISSING THE MIDDLE HOUSING? IS IT HARD TO UNDERSTAND. 
          NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TAKEN FROM VANCOUVER AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY A VANCOUVER SORT OF TOWN. 
          IT'S NOT A SEDONA SORT OF TOWN, BUT IT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A 12 STORY BUILDING HERE. 
          WELL, YOU COUNTED ALL THE LITTLE DOTS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT ALL IT SAYS IS MID AND HIGHRISE. 
          SO WE COULD DEFINE WHAT MID AND HIGHRISE IS. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT SOME OF THE GRAPHICS WE'RE USED IN ARE OBVIOUSLY CUT AND PASTE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE FOR SEDONA A AS TO THE INFERENCES AS TO THE CONTENT. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE FIRST THING PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY IS LIKE, OH MY GOD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERING ONE Q3, FOUR, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL, MAYBE IF YOU WERE TRUNCATED, YOU'RE FOCUSING ON TRUNCATED. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IT'S THE MISSING MIDDLE THAT'S REALLY, UM, THE FOCUS. 
          IT'S NOT THE TWO EXTREMITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT SO SNA I KNOW PEOPLE WITH, BUT IT'S BOOKMARKED BY, YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT DIDN'T BOTHER ME, BUT, HMM. 
          DIDN'T BOTHER ME. 
          WELL, MAYBE WE WON'T STRIKE ILLUSTRATION SOURCE. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT , IF ANY COMMENTS WERE EVEN MADE OF OKAY. 
          MOVE ON, . 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S THE PLACEHOLDER MAP ON THE NEXT PAGE, CYNTHIA? 
          [02:45:02]
UH, THIS IS A MAP THAT WE DEVELOPED, UM, FOR ANOTHER PROJECT A FEW YEARS BACK, AND IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. 
          SO SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THE THE EXISTING MAP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, OR THERE'S ANOTHER ONE? NO, THIS MAP ONE, ONE NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. 
          THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU WOULDN'T KNOW, BUT CARRIE KNOWS  WHEN SHE LOOKS AT THIS MAP, SHE KNOWS IT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          SHE'S LIKE, THAT SHOULD BE BLUE AND NOT RED, OR YEAH. 
          , WHICH IS IMPORTANT. 
          NO, THAT'S GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          ARE THERE REALLY, UM, MULTI-FAMILY HOMES UP ON COFFEE POT ROAD? I, YEP. 
          I, YOU KNOW, CONDOS? YEP, YEP, YEP. 
          RIGHT BEHIND BASHES AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ON YOUR RIGHT, THERE'S A TWO STORY APARTMENT HOUSE RIGHT BEHIND BASHES. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S UPPER WAYS, BUT MAYBE IT'S, NO, NO, THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND, YOU KNOW WHERE THE BREWERY IS. 
          IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
           ROAD. 
          NOW, I KNOW, I WONDER IF ON PAGE 55, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UPDATE THE DIGA, THAT IN THE TEXT, UH, WE CAN DESCRIBE WHAT THE DIGA IS AND WHAT, AND HOW IT MIGHT BE, UM, IN WHAT DIRECTION IT WOULD TAKE TO BE UPDATED. 
          'CAUSE I, I'M GUESSING THEY'RE, OR THAT'S RECEIVED A LOT OF ATTENTION OR HAS IT THE REVISING THE DIGA? I DID HAVE A COMMENT FROM SOMEBODY THAT, TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT. 
          AND ALSO TO HAVE WHAT HAVE IT EXPLAINED IN THE TEXT SOMEWHERE, WHAT, WHAT THAT DOCUMENT IS, AND ALSO WHAT ITS AUTHORITY IS BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A POLICY. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S ALSO AN EXAMPLE OF, I WAS GONNA BRING IT UP EARLIER. 
          STATE OF ARIZONA HAS VERY DIFFERENT LAWS FROM OTHER PLACES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO CONSTRAINTS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS AND OTHER PLACES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, IN SOME CASES LIKE THIS, ARIZONA LAW DOESN'T ALLOW US TO REQUIRE, TO INNOVATE. 
          YEAH. 
          TO INNOVATE. 
          WE BRIEFLY SPOKE, UM, ON OUR, UH, TWO BY TWOS OR TWO BY THREE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, REACHING OUT TO THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY ABOUT THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. 
          CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT WENT AND WHAT THE OUTCOMES OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS? SURE. 
          UM, I CAN SAY THAT, UH, OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY WERE STARKLY DIFFERENT FROM OUR APRIL MEETING WITH, UH, WHERE WE HAD THE LARGE, UH, TURNOUT FOR OUR HOUSING MEETING AT THE SCHOOL. 
          UM, UH, MANY FROM THAT COMMUNITY, UH, NOT ONLY ARE BEGGING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR, UM, MAYBE, UH, UH, CITY, UH, TENANT BYLAWS AND GUIDELINES AND, UM, UH, THAT THEY'RE, UM, VERY FEARFUL OF LOSING THE HOUSING THAT THEY HAVE. 
          EVEN THOUGH THAT HOUSING MIGHT TO MOST PEOPLE NOT LOOK LIKE SOMEONE SHOULD BE LIVING THERE, IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE, AND THEY'RE AFRAID OF LANDLORDS KICKING THEM OUT, IF THEY RAISE ANY KIND OF CONCERN OR COMPLAINT, UM, EVEN THOUGH, UH, THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE LIVING IN, UM, PROBABLY SHOULD BE GREATLY UPDATED. 
          AND SO, UM, WHEREAS IN OUR HOUSING MEETING ON APRIL, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, WHY CAN'T I USE MY RV TO RENT THAT OUT? UM, THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST SAYING WE NEED A PLACE THAT'S SAFE AND SECURE AND THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE SOME ADVOCACY FOR US SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE FEARFUL OF GETTING KICKED OUT OF OUR PLACE FOR ANY, ANY KIND OF COMPLAINT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, A STARK DIFFERENCE FROM, UM, SPEAKING WITH THAT COMMUNITY AND, AND THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMUNITY CAN CODE ENFORCEMENT PLAY A ROLE IN THAT? SO, AND WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS TODAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHY SARAH SAYS SMILING MY SERVICES. 
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SO PART OF IT IS THAT, UM, THEY ARE FEARFUL OF BRINGING UP THOSE CONCERNS THAT IF THEY TALK TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT OPEN ELECTRIC HERE, OR WATER, WE DON'T HAVE HOT WATER, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 
          AND THEN WE CONTACT THE LANDLORD AND THEY'RE VERY FEARFUL THAT THE LANDLORD'S SAYING, GET OUTTA HERE BECAUSE THERE'S 12 OTHER FAMILIES THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS, THIS PLACE. 
          SO, UM, YES, WE IN CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, BUT QUITE OFTEN, UM, WE ARE NOT AWARE OF IT. 
          AND, UM, I EXPLAINED TODAY, I'VE, I'VE EVEN BEEN A RECIPIENT OF CALLS AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL CALLS IN MY CAREER HERE WHERE SOMEONE HAS CALLED AND SAID, I'M A RENTER. 
          THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          THIS IS WHAT I'M LIVING IN. 
          ARE THE RULES AGAINST THIS? YES, THERE ARE. 
          WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIMME YOUR ADDRESS? MM-HMM. 
          , I'M NOT SURE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO AFTER THIS IN CASE THE LANDLORD KICKS ME OUT BECAUSE I'M COMPLAINING. 
          SO, UM, THAT IS A CONSISTENT VIEWPOINT, IF YOU WILL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, FROM MANY OF OUR TENANTS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS A REACTIVE SITUATION AS OPPOSED TO A PROACTIVE SITUATION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MM-HMM. 
          , IT'D BE GREAT TO BE PROACTIVE, BUT KURT, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW. 
          COULD YOU GO INTO A HOME IF FROM THE OUTSIDE YOU THOUGHT IT LOOKED SUBSTANDARD, COULD CODE ENFORCEMENT JUST, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE A COMPLAINT AND WE HAVE TO BE REACTIVE? OR CAN WE HAVE PROACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT COULD GO THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS? AND SO ADMINISTRATIVE RESEARCH WARRANTS REQUIRE PROBABLE CAUSE IN ORDER TO, TO ENTER. 
          SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND IT CAN BE BASED SOMETIMES OFF OF THE OUTSIDE, ENOUGH TO LEAD YOU ONTO THE INSIDE, BUT GENERALLY YOU'RE GONNA NEED A COMPLAINT FROM THE INSIDE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO AS I LOOK AT THIS SECTION OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE HERE ON ADVOCATE FOR SAFE AND SECURE RENTAL HOUSING IN A COORDINATED WAY, WHAT WE NEED, OR WHAT I THINK IS, IS MAYBE NECESSARY IS, IS THERE POSSIBLY A WAY FOR THE CITY TO DEVELOP IN THEIR HOUSING DIVISION, KIND OF AN BUMAN, A PERSON THAT COULD ACT AS A LIAISON BETWEEN TENANTS, UM, AND THE CITY? UH, BECAUSE, UH, I MEAN, LET'S THINK ABOUT IT. 
          IF I'M A SINGLE MOM AND I CAN BARELY MAKE IT, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA COMPLAIN 'CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY PLACE I CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN. 
          BUT MY CHILD GOT EXECUTED YESTERDAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 
          SO THERE'S JUST LIKE THIS, THERE'S HEALTH AND SAFETY, NOT ONLY FOR THAT RESIDENT, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AROUND, ESPECIALLY IN OUR, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, UM, CLOSELY POPULATED OR DENSELY POPULATED. 
          YOU KNOW, WORRY ABOUT FIRE HAZARD AND SPREAD TO OTHER DWELLINGS. 
          AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HAVE A POSITION WITHIN THE CITY THAT GIVES THEM RESOURCES, OTHER ALTERNATIVE HOUSING, UM, UH, FREE LAWYERS, ALL SORTS OF THINGS. 
          I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A GRASSROOT COMMUNITY EFFORT IN THAT, BUT ALSO PARTIALLY FUNDED BY THE CITY. 
          SO MAYBE AN ACTION ITEM COULD BE ADVOCACY WITHIN, LIKE, PERSONNEL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THE PARTNERSHIPS SOME, 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA, I AGREE WITH CHARLOTTE, WE SHOULDN'T DICTATE HIRING MORE STAFF, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT PARTNER SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER TALK ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          'CAUSE YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , HOW ARE WE GONNA ADVOCATE FOR IT? AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND, AND, AND KEEPING THE SAFETY OF SEDONA RESIDENTS IN MIND. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK TO SHANNON ABOUT. 
          UM, BECAUSE SHE'S WORKED IN OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE PROGRAMS LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN THIS SECTION. 
          NONPROFITS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT KIND OF WORK TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, NORTHERN ARIZONA INTERFAITH COUNCIL HAS TAKEN A PRINCIPAL ROLE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS AROUND HOUSING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IF FOLKS DON'T KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY JUST THINK TO JUST CALL THE CITY NUMBER OR THEY JUST DON'T, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO FIND THE RESOURCES FOR THEIR PROFITS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YES. 
          AND THAT'S AGREED. 
          AND, AND ALSO GOING BACK TO THE COMPLAINTS AND LIVING CONDITIONS AND TENANT LAWS. 
          RIGHT NOW, UM, UH, ALL WE HAVE THAT WE CAN DO IS POINT TOWARDS THE STATE. 
          AND THE STATE REALLY DOES NOT HAVE STRONG TENANT ADVOCACY, UH, RIGHTS OR LAWS. 
          RIGHT. 
          [02:55:01]
AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR THAT COMMUNITY. 
          I CAN SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE. 
          WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, I MOVED INTO A LONG-TERM RENTAL AND THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES. 
          I DIDN'T COMPLAIN 'CAUSE I WAS AFRAID OF BEING KICKED OUT. 
          AND NOT THAT I COULDN'T AFFORD TO, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. 
          SO THAT'S A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC ISSUE IN SEDONA. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN POPULATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          I DIDN'T SAY A PEEP. 
          HMM. 
          UNTIL YOU LEFT . 
          RIGHT. 
           UNTIL I LEFT. 
          RIGHT. 
          CYNTHIA? UM, CAN I ASK YOU, ON THE HOUSING SECTION UNDER OVERVIEW, CAN WE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SUNSET LOFTS? IS THAT STILL IN THE WORKS? , I DON'T KNOW. 
          FINISH THE PROJECT OR UNDER, UNDER ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO SAY THAT IT'S HASN'T GOING TO? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, THAT MIGHT GET TOO SPECIFIC FOR THIS DOCUMENT AND WELL, WE GET INTO LAST SPECIFIC, I MEAN, IF IT'S NOT VIABLE, I UNDERSTAND OR WELL, I THINK IT'S POTENTIALLY NOT VIABLE. 
          LAST I HEARD IT WAS INFLUX. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I LEAVE IT OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE IN HOUSING COMMISSIONERS CIRCULATION. 
          DONE A GREAT JOB. 
          WE'RE MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH . 
          THESE WILL BE DONE BY MIDNIGHT. 
          NO, I THINK WE'RE ABOUT 75% THROUGH JUST BY PAGE NUMBERS BASED ON NUMBER OF COMMENTS. 
          WE'RE AT 3 24 VERSUS WE CAN EASILY BY 10 15 . 
          WE CAN KNOCK IT OUT TONIGHT. 
          WE DON'T FADE. 
          SO, CIRCULATION, WHAT DID, UH, WHAT'D THE GROUP TELL YOU, CYNTHIA? UM, LET'S SEE. 
          SAID IT WAS PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
           PERFECT AS WRITTEN. 
          . 
          I DON'T DOUBT THAT. 
          . 
          OH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT BYPASSES AND BRIDGES. 
          IS THAT TO DEFINITIVE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS? WAS A QUESTION. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAD SOME COMMENTS ON MO MULTIMODAL. 
          PAGE 60 SUGGESTION WAS TO STRIKE THINGS LIKE WHERE IT SAYS EVERYONE MUST BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. 
          THE EVERYONE ITEM I THINK WAS AN ISSUE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND THEN AN ACTION ITEM FOR SEDONA IN MOTION. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WILL TALK WITH PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE I THINK THE WHOLE SEDONA IN MOTION PROGRAM IS LIKE ONE BIG ACTION ITEM. 
          THERE'S 20 SOME ACTIONS. 
          UM, SO I THINK I'LL TALK WITH THEM AS TO HOW WE MIGHT PRESENT THAT INFORMATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, AND YOU'RE GONNA CHECK WITH THEM ALSO ABOUT THE, THAT TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN THE BACK OF MY BRAIN, I'M THINKING IT HAD A LIFESPAN. 
          YOU KNOW, IT WAS A 10 YEAR MASTER PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE'RE YEAH. 
          PART OF THE WAY INTO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS GOING TO EXTEND BEYOND THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IT, I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO HOW DOES THAT, MEL YEAH, YEAH. 
          UM, I HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS. UM, ON THE VERY FIRST BULLET UNDER OVERVIEW, UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION AT THE Y AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS. 
          DOES THAT INCLUDE THE, UH, EXISTING PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT QUE? LET'S SEE, AS FAR AS A KEY ISSUE, IS THAT WHERE YOU ARE OR ARE YOU ON THE NEXT PAGE? NO, I'M ON UNDER OVERVIEW. 
          THE FIRST BULLET POINT THERE. 
          OH. 
          UNDER OVERVIEW. 
          UNDER KEY ISSUES. 
          BECAUSE HAVING THE UNDERPASS, IT'S GONNA HAVE LIMITED SUCCESS UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING DONE AT THE CROSSING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S GONNA REQUIRE COORDINATION WITH ADOT ADOT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO I I WHAT COULD BE  MORE OF A KEY ISSUE THAN THAT? MM-HMM. 
           ALONG WITH STRATEGIES FOR HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE WITH ADOT TO GET THIS RESOLVED. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OR STRATEGIES FOR PEOPLE TO USE THE UNDERPASS INSTEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO HOW TO 
          [03:00:01]
TRY TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TEMPORARY CROSSING GUARDS WE HAVE THERE. 
          AND THAT WE HAVE DOWN IN THE, UH, BACK AND BEYOND AREA AND SO FORTH, UPTOWN, EVERYWHERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          DO YOU REALLY THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE THAT UNDERPASS WHEN THEY CAN STILL CROSS ACROSS THE STREET? NO WAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          NO WAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          BUT THEN WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          COUNCIL DID. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT DECISION IF YOU CROSS, IF YOU ELIMINATE THE CROSSWALK. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF YOU ELIMINATE, YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE STRATEGY IS IF PEDESTRIANS, THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE YEARS OF STUDIES AND WOULD INCLUDE CLOSING THE CROSSWALKS AT TIME DURING HEAVY WEEKENDS TO SEE WHAT KIND IMPACT THAT MAKES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, INCLUDING TIME CROSSING. 
          UM, SO THAT THE CROSSING MIGHT TAKE LONGER THAN IT WOULD BE TO WALK AROUND, UM, WITH THE TCS THERE, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU CAN WAIT FOR THE LIGHT, UM, OR FOR US TO LIGHT TO CROSS, BUT YOU'D BE QUICKER TO WALK AROUND. 
          SO THERE'LL BE STUDIES DONE. 
          AND THOSE STUDIES ARE A REQUIREMENT OF ADOT. 
          THEY'RE PART OF THE PERMIT. 
          YEP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I, I, I DOUBT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED THERE 10 TIMES A WEEK. 
          AND WHENEVER THERE ARE NO CROSSING YARDS, I SEE A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE IN LENGTH OF TRAFFIC BACKUP. 
          OH YEAH. 
          IT'S INCREDIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          TO THE GOOD OR THE BAD. 
          TO THE BAD. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          'CAUSE AT LEAST THE CROSSING GUARDS HOLD THE PEOPLE FOR CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME VERSUS YEAH. 
          OTHERWISE IT'S TWO PEOPLE CROSSED AND ONE PERSON. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UH, THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT IT IN HERE, BUT, UH, TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE IN 2033. 
          UM, HOW CAN WE USE AI AND TECHNOLOGY TO HELP PREDICT WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC CRISIS IN TOWN? MM-HMM. 
           EASIER THAN, RATHER THAN LOOKING AT CALENDAR, LOOK AT THE CALENDAR. 
          IS THERE SOME WAY TO COORDINATE WITH LODGING BUSINESSES TO SEE WHERE THEY HAVE A BIG UPTICK? AND I MEAN, IT SHOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT CALL UP DR. 
          GOOGLE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN'S TRAFFIC CAN BE HEAVY IN SEDONA. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ACTION ITEMS, A SIM PROJECT TO INCORPORATE AI OR INCORPORATE THE LATEST TECHNO. 
          I MEAN, THAT BY ITSELF IS SORT OF ALREADY CONTINUING MAKING PROGRESS ON ALL SIM STRATEGIES. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY IN THERE. 
          AH, IT IS A SIM STRATEGY REALLY. 
          IT'S ALSO NUMBER THREE AND FOUR UNDERNEATH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S IN, IN THREE AND FOUR. 
          YOU'RE SAYING ACTION ITEM ON PAGE 61. 
          MM-HMM. 
           USE TECHNOLOGY TO IMPROVE CIRCULATION, ET CETERA. 
          GOT ONLINE DASHBOARD. 
          DO YOU WANNA JUST SEE THE WORDS AI IN THERE? NO. 
          NO. 
          WHY NOT? IT SCARE, IT SCARES SOME PEOPLE, BUT WHY NOT? AT LEAST IT SHOWS THAT WE'RE HIP . 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          THAT'S IT. 
          WE CAN SPELL . 
          IS IT GOOD? YEAH. 
          I CALLED ALL THAT AI STUFF WIDGETS FOR A LONG TIME. 
          . 
          I WAS TALKING TO A PERSON AND I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST USE A WIDGET AND IT CAN PROJECT. 
          AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I'M LIKE, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I USE AI TO PROJECT YOUR PROFIT . 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          CHANGES THE CONVERSATION. 
          IT'D BE BE GREAT. 
          GREAT. 
          IF THEY COULD BE COORDINATE WITH THE POLICE SO THE POLICE KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THEY NEED TO GO OUT TO THE Y AND YEAH. 
          REROUTE TRAFFIC OR YEAH. 
          PUT SOMEONE OUT THERE WITH PREDICTIVE BULLETPROOF. 
          I I SEE THE WORD Y AND I, I WANTED, I WAS THINKING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE FOLKS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, SLY CFA, THAT ROUNDABOUT RIGHT THERE. 
          THEY WERE, THEY WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ENTER THAT ROUNDABOUT. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S THE SECONDARY ROUNDABOUT. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE, WHY DO YOU THINK MAYBE WE COULD JUST SAY PARTICULARLY AT ROUNDABOUTS INSTEAD OF JUST AT THE Y 'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU THINK OUR TRAFFIC CONGESTION IS JUST AT THE TOP OF THAT OLD, OF THE OLD Y MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT I THINK EVERYTHING STEMS FROM THERE. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A PACK BACKISH, I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY RELATED TO MM-HMM. 
           OR TOAL? I NOT THE Y YEAH. 
          TODAY. 
          I CAN'T PRONOUNCE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT THAT WHOLE AREA. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW TO OVERVIEW SECOND, FIRST LINE. 
          THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT PAGE 58. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. 
          WE NEED OVERPASS. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE CALLS IT THE Y BUT IT'S THAT KINDA GREATER, THE GREATER Y AREA. 
          Y AREA. 
          , THE METROPOLITAN, THE METROPOLITAN Y AREA. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT I'M GONNA GET ALL RILED UP ABOUT, BUT I JUST THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND IS IT ALWAYS 
          [03:05:01]
GONNA BE CALLED THE Y AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE CALLED THE Y THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          IT'S HIS STORY. 
          HEY, ON PAGE 61, WHO'S JEFF SPECK?  FORGOT. 
          AND WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN TO, AND WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN TO  ? WHY DO WE CALL HIM OUT ? 'CAUSE WE'RE QUOTING, I WROTE THIS ARTICLE. 
          HUH? I WROTE THIS ARTICLE. 
          OKAY. 
          WALKABLE CITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL, WHY, WHY DON'T YOU START THAT WITH THE AUTHOR? 'CAUSE I, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMEBODY THAT LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY UNTIL I GOT TO THE CITATION. 
          I AGREE. 
          OH, THAT JEFF BECK, STEVE, ALL PEOPLE ARE THINKING. 
          YES. 
          TOGGLE BACK FOR A SECOND. 
          CAN A CODE COMPLAINER BE ANONYMOUS IN ORDER FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE ACTION? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T HAVE TO KNOW WHO'S MAKING THE COMPLAINT IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE A CODE COMPLIANT. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT IF THEY HAVE ONE TENANT ON THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S A COMPLAINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLUMBING OR ELECTRICAL WITHIN THAT, OFTENTIMES A SHED RIGHT. 
          THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE, UM, THAT THEY'RE USING. 
          BUT YES, IT CAN ABSOLUTELY BE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANONYMOUSLY AND CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          JUST LET ME ADD THAT. 
          THAT'S, AS LONG AS THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW WHO IT IS, BECAUSE WE'RE SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY HIDE. 
          IF YOU EMAIL IN YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SAY YOU'RE GONNA COMPLAIN AND YOU WANT TO BE ON IT ANONYMOUS, WE, WE DON'T GO AROUND DISCLOSING THAT. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, IF SOMEONE WERE TO REQUEST PUBLIC RECORDS, IT COULD BE COME OUT. 
          SO IT NEEDS TO TRULY BE AN ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT. 
          CAN THEY DO THAT BY TELEPHONE WITHOUT HAVING THE CALLER ID? YEAH. 
          WE DON'T RECORD THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THOSE ARE, THERE'S NO RECORD OF THOSE. 
          I'M GOING OVER USER BURNER PHONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY USE OUR WEBSITE, SO YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE APP, LIKE CONNECT, UM, SEDONA APP? LIKE WHEN, BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN APP RIGHT? THAT I CAN TALK ABOUT LIKE HOLES IN THE, IS THAT PUBLIC RECORD? SO YOU SAY USER FISHER MARTIN, THAT THAT'S A PUBLIC RECORD ONCE WE RECEIVE IT. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF, IF WE, IF YOU CAN ANONYMOUSLY PUT SOMETHING IN THE APP OR NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST CURIOUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          CYNTHIA, IN THE SECTION, UM, IN THE ILLUSTRATIONS ON STREETS, UM, WE END UP WITH A COUPLE OF ACTIONS AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU COULD CLARIFY AND OR ADD, UM, WILL THE COMPLETE STREET ASSESSMENT BE PART OF THE CFA PLANNING AND WILL IT, UM, WILL IT JUST ROLL INTO THAT 68 ON PAGE 68? OH, THERE WE GO. 
          THANKS. 
          68. 
          AND IF, IF IT IS GONNA BE PART AND PARCEL OF THE CFA PLANNING, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD INDICATE THAT WITHIN THE ACTION STATEMENT IT SEEMS TO STAND ALONE THERE. 
          AND IT WON'T LIVE ALONE. 
          IT HAS TO RELATE TO WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA DO ON THE CORRIDOR. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT ACTUALLY DISCUSSION HASN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR. 
          YEAH. 
          AS TO HOW AND WHERE. 
          BUT IF YOU WERE TO THINK IT THROUGH, MOST LIKELY IT WOULD BE PART OF THE CFA PLANNING PROCESS. 
          WELL, I THINK A COMPLETE STREET ASSESSMENT MOST LIKELY WILL HAPPEN BY HIRING CONSULTANT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TO DO THAT. 
          BUT WHICH I, I WAS GOING MORE TO. 
          IS IT, WOULD IT BE LINKED TO THE C FFA PLANNING PROCESS? IT COULD BE, YEAH. 
          AND MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE USE OF DOING IT ALONE? WELL, IF WE ALREADY HAVE A CFA. 
          WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COURT. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CORRIDOR. 
          OH YEAH. 
          NO, I MEAN THE STATEMENT WAS JUST IN GENERAL, NOT NECESSARILY 89 A FIRST. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M TRYING TO THINK HERE. 
          LIKE, LET'S SAY SOLDIERS PASSED CFA, THE PLANNING HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT WE'VE HAD, AS PART OF THAT PLANNING MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT, UM, WALKABILITY AND SAFETY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU COULD GO IN, HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO AN EVALUATION AS OPPOSED TO YOU'RE NOT GONNA WAIT TO DO A CFA 'CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL I'M JUST GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA LINK THAT OR, OR JUST THINK ABOUT LINKING THAT TO THE CFA PLANNING PROCESS. 
          I ALSO WANNA SEE THIS COMPLETE STREET DIAGRAM UPDATED 
          [03:10:01]
AND THIS DIAGRAM, WE DON'T ACCOUNT FOR ANY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT LIKE CURB INLETS TO BIOSWALES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT WOULD TREAT RUNOFF FROM THE PUBLIC ROAD. 
          SO DIFFERENT SECTION GREEN STREETS, . 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEY SHOULD OVERLAP, YOU KNOW, LIKE IMPLEMENTING SUSTAINABLE STRATEGIES FOR MITIGATING THAT I'M NOT IN WOULD BE COMPLETE STREET. 
          WOULD THIS GRAPHIC EITHER. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THAT WAS WISCONSIN. 
          AND CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME IN DETAIL, OH, THE GRAPHIC ON 67  AS A CIVIL ENGINEER, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS. 
          OH, YOU DO TOO. 
          I WOULD FREAK OUT IF SOMEONE MEANS NO, SERIOUSLY. 
          THEY'RE TURNING, TURNING. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE ALL YOUR POINTS OF IMPACT, RIGHT? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          ALL THE PLACES YOU COULD GET HIT POINTS OF FAILURE. 
          SO USE THE BIKE PATH. 
          OH, I DO HAVE A NOTE THOUGH TO ADD, ADD A KEY OR A LEGEND OR SOMETHING. 
          YOU'RE, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE IN WATER . 
          YEAH. 
          IT, IT IS. 
          I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS. 
          IT'S STUCK DRIVING TRANSPARENCY AND IT'S COMPLICATION COMPLEXITY. 
          A NUMBER OF, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE PUNCHY HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S LATE. 
          SIX NINE. 
          I, WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING, BUT AGAIN, MM-HMM. 
          FOR ONE SEVEN. 
          ROUTE 1 79. 
          WE HAVE NO ACTION ITEMS OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND IT BEGS FOR AN ACTION ITEM, WHICH ONES WOULD, WOULD YOU ADD? UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIM PROJECTS MIGHT BE APPLICABLE TO IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEEDS ARE. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WELL, THERE'S GOTTA BE A NEED. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALTHOUGH WAIT, I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM, ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          I THINK TODAY YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A LIST MM-HMM. 
           OF PROPOSED THINGS THAT WE WERE GONNA MAYBE LINK TO THAT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          UM, OH. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          AND WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A FEW OF THOSE. 
          THE SNUBBY ROUNDABOUT. 
          THE AKKA P CROSSING. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT LIKE WHAT CHARLOTTE SAID, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN ON PAGE SIX IN THERE TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN ON PAGE 68, SO ADD ON PAGE 68, THE POLICY, UM, EXPLORE TRANSFER OF 89 A YEP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE NEED, YEAH, LET'S DO THIS. 
          BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO FIGURE TO PUT IN HERE, HOW DID WE DO THIS? LIKE WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS FOR ACTUALLY ACQUIRING THIS? I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS. 
          DIDN'T CITY GO THROUGH THAT 15 YEARS AGO? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'D BE NICE, LIKE, I READ THIS AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, WE NEED TO DO THIS. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, HOW, HOW DO WE DO THIS? HOW MUCH MONEY DOES IT COST? WHAT'S THE PROCESS? IT'D BE REALLY NICE TO KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS IS. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE, I, I DON'T KNOW YET. 
          'CAUSE I HAVEN'T ASKED THE QUESTION. 
          ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THAT'S WHY IT SAYS EXPLORE . 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO RESEARCHING HOW ALL OF THESE THINGS WOULD HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          IT'S JUST SAYING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK INTO. 
          YEAH. 
          IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 
          SO IT WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE FROM THE PUBLIC TO DO SO. 
          IT DOES. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          WELL, WELL IT FAILED BEFORE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF ADOT WAS WILLING TO TRANSFER, UM, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH. 
          THAT'S SHOCKING TO ME THAT THAT FAILED. 
          THE, THE CITY MOVED TO, TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY AND ADA WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT UH, AND IT WAS A REFERENDUM THAT UNDID CITY ACTION. 
          THE VOTERS UNDID IT AT THAT TIME AND, AND REQUIRE THAT ANY FUTURE ATTEMPT TO TAKE OVER THE 89 AA WOULD REQUIRE, AGAIN, A FUTURE VOTE FROM THE COMPANY. 
          WHY WOULD, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          WHY WOULD THE PUBLIC NOT WANT US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT WE DO WITH IMPROVEMENTS AND WIDENING AND ALL? I THINK IT WAS MOSTLY DUE TO THE COST. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WAS THE PRIMARY OBJECTION. 
          THEN WE'D BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE AND TURN INTO A OVERLY LARGE ROAD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE DO HAVE CITIZENS IN SEDONA THAT FEEL THAT THE CITY'S BUDGET'S TOO BIG. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEY'RE LOUD ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT I AM OF AGREEMENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE STOPLIGHTS NEED TO BE UPDATED. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S JUST A LOT YEAH. 
          IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, MORE SIDEWALKS LIKE YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WE DON'T HAVE SO MANY STOPLIGHTS, BECAUSE OF A DOT'S RULES. 
          SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER. 
          YEAH. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          CAN WE BUY JUST 20 FEET IN FRONT OF CLOY POCKET? ? WE RUN OUTTA REAL ESTATE THERE . 
          SO, WELL, THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO BUY IT THEN. 
          WE CONTROL THE CROSSWALK. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO BUY IT WITH THE BUDGET, THE STATE BUDGET BEING THE WAY IT IS, WE WOULD HELP DECREASE THE DEFICIT. 
          YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A GOOD TIME TO BUY, BUY IT. 
          AND WE KNOW THE GOVERNOR. 
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I DO NOT KNOW THE GOVERNOR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          JUST, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE, MOVE OUT, CIRCULATION ON PAGE 70, UNDER UPTOWN WHERE IT SAYS, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS. 
          IT SAYS 2020 MAINSTREAM IMPROVEMENTS, 80% REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          THAT WE DID HAVE A COMMENT AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS FROM YOU. 
          UM, MAYBE THAT TO CHANGE TRAFFIC TO CONGESTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THE WORD TRAFFIC TO CONGESTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT VOLUME. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S MORE SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN ALSO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT. 
          LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF A 45 MINUTE WAIT, IT'S NOW ONLY A 20 MINUTE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S HOW THEY, UM, MONITOR THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IS ONE OF THE WAYS THEY DO THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, AND THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO THE SOUTHBOUND LANES. 
          OH. 
          UM, BUT IT, YEAH, IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR THERE. 
          HMM. 
          INTERESTING. 
          YEAH, IT'S JUST MAIN STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MAYBE THAT COULD BE ADDED. 
          WELL, NO, IT DOES SAY NET. 
          IT DOES SAY THE TWO SOUTHBOUND, BUT THERE'S A COMMA, SO YOU'RE NOT SURE WHERE THE 80% APPLIES TO NECESSARILY. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE ENGINEER ? I'D SAY ABOUT THE UPTOWN ACTION ITEMS. MM-HMM. 
          , THEY'RE ALL IN PROCESS NOW. 
          UM, THE FOUR OF THEM. 
          OH, WELL NOT THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN, BUT THE OTHER ONES. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          AND I WONDER IF THERE'S, IS THERE NOTHING ELSE THAN JUST THE C FFA? HUH? YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          'CAUSE THOSE, AGAIN, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE SIM PLAN AND WE ALREADY REFERENCED ELSEWHERE. 
          DO ALL YOUR SIM PROJECTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'LL BE DONE WHEN THIS IS PRINTED. 
          AND WE HAVE THE EVACUATION PLAN MENTIONED IN HERE. 
          DID I SEE THAT? IT IS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MAYBE DELETE THE STUFF THAT'S IN PROGRESS. 
          THEY'RE NOT ACTIONS, THEY'RE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OR JUST UNDERWAY. 
          RANGER ROAD ROUNDABOUT. 
          THAT'LL TAKE COURT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO PUT IN EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE PARKING IDEAS. 
          I MEAN, 'CAUSE I KNOW PARKING IS SUCH A BIG DEAL IN UPTOWN REGARDING, YOU KNOW, VACANT LOTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          PAGE 72. 
          73. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S ALL IN CONJUNCTION, OF COURSE. 
          TRANSIT, PARKING, UM, SHARED USE PA YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO UP THERE IN, IN UPTOWN. 
          SO YES, IT DOES FIT IN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'VE GOT, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS LIKE THE NEXT, I'M SORRY, I HAVEN'T MEMORIZED THE C COMMUNITY PLAN AND IT IS EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEMORIZE THE DRAFT . 
          JUST, JUST THE FINAL. 
          JUST THE FINAL. 
          ARE YOU GONNA QUIZ ME ? IS THAT, IS THAT GONNA BE PART OF LIKE MY, UH, ANOTHER INDOCTRINATION? ? WE DON'T HAVE TO MEMORIZE THE DRAFT. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          HAZING ANYTHING ON PUBLIC PARKING THAT'S MISSING. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS NICE IF PARKING GARAGE WAS NOT ACTUALLY IN HERE. 
          DO YOU WANNA, WHATEVER THAT, DO YOU WANNA EXPAND ON THAT? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ? NO. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT ASSUMED THAT IT'S A FETA COMPLETE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL, AND I THINK PARKING SOLUTIONS AREN'T NECESSARILY PARKING GARAGES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARKING SOLUTIONS. 
          SO I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I THINK KEEPING IT GENERAL LEAVES FOR OPPORTUNITY OF CREATIVITY. 
          NUMBER SEVEN. 
          HEY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THIS. 
          WE WANNA PUSH IT THROUGH. 
          DO YOU THINK I'VE GOT A COUPLE PAGES OF COMMENTS ON IT, BUT, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHTYY, A COUPLE PAGES. 
          ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? COMMISSION. 
          YOU HANGING IN THERE? STAFF? HUH? ? NO, WE'RE GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT? SOME PIZZA CAN'T 
          [03:20:01]
BRING WINE . 
          THAT WOULD SLOW IT DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          BOY, IT'S, IT'S TOO BAD THERE'S NOT COCKTAILS. 
          SO WE'D GO BY MUCH BETTER. 
          . 
          I WILL SAY WE'VE GOT WATER . 
          I, I DO HAVE WATER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE SIPPY CUPS. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE STAINLESS STEEL FOOD. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OH MY GOSH. 
          IF I DRANK A WHOLE STAINLESS STEEL, Y'ALL WOULD BE PICKING ME UP. 
          OKAY. 
          LET, LET'S FOCUS HERE ON ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M WONDERING, UNDER THE GOAL ON PAGE 75 MM-HMM. 
          , IF WE SHOULD HAVE SOME REFERENCE, UM, TO JOE'S COMMENT ABOUT RESILIENCY, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT BUILT INTO THE GOAL. 
          HMM. 
          PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE. 
          WELL, MM-HMM. 
          , IF YOU SAY, SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT RESILIENCY MEANS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THAT'S A GOOD ONE TO ADD. 
          OH, IT'S UP THERE IN RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT NOT IN THE GOAL. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? MM-HMM. 
           DIDN'T CARRY THROUGH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT USING THE WORD RESILIENCE, BUT THE PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE I THINK WAS MEANT TO REFLECT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THEY'RE PRETTY SYNONYMOUS. 
          I WOULD AGREE. 
          OH, I KNOW. 
          IN OUR MEETINGS I ASKED ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THAT CONCEPT ON THAT KEY ISSUE OF THE RAPID SPREAD OF HIGHLY INVASIVE TREE OF HEAVEN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ARE WE GONNA SCRATCH THAT? 'CAUSE THERE'S OTHER HIGHLY INVASIVE PLANTS IN SEDONA? OR DO WE JUST WANT THE TREE OF HEAVEN? I THOUGHT WAS USUAL FOCUS SO FAR. 
          I HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T HAD TOO MANY COMMENTS ON IT. 
          I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IT IS, UM, COMPARED TO ANY OTHER INVASIVES THE WORST. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED THAT. 
          I NOTICED IT ON THE, UM, PROPOSED LODGE SITE ON SIBLEY HILL ROAD. 
          IT WAS COVERED IN IT. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT IS PERCEIVED TO BE A DETRIMENT TO OUR, OUR, UH, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE AN ACTION RELATED TO IT. 
          I'M JUST NOT, I, I GET WHY WE'RE DOING IT. 
          I'M JUST NOT SURE IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          BUT IF IT'S, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE ALL, I'M, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M GONNA GET ALL RILED UP ABOUT, BUT I'M JUST, IS IT LARGE ENOUGH TO BE A COMMUNITY PLAN ITEM? WELL, I THINK IT'S KIND OF STRANGE THAT WE HAVE THE PAGE 85 INVASIVE TREE. 
          I HAVE IT ON HERE, BUT WE HAVE NOTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE POTABLE WATER USE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          RIGHT. 
          OR, AND WE, THIS IS LIKE THE FIRST TIME TOO. 
          WE'VE CALLED OUT ONE SPECIFIC THING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SAY THE RAPID SPREAD OF HIGHLY INVASIVE PLANT SPECIES. 
          'CAUSE THEN IT WOULD COVER WHATEVER WHAT NEEDS TO BE COVERED INSTEAD OF POINT. 
          'CAUSE WE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T USED AN EXAMPLE LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE PLAN. 
          WHAT WAS YOUR POINT, GEORGE? UM, UNDER KEY ISSUES. 
          NOTHING SAID ABOUT POTABLE WATER. 
          NOT ONE WORD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE TO INCLUDE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          'CAUSE WE WON'T LIVE HERE IF WE DON'T HAVE WATER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT TALKS ABOUT AGING WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT SHOULD BE AGING WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          EVEN THOUGH PRIVATE COMPANIES PAY FOR IT, IT'S STILL YES. 
          A CITYWIDE CONCERN. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO ADDING WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE POTABLE WATER. 
          WATER. 
          AND I WOULD SAY, UH, POTABLE WATER AVAILABILITY, AVAILABILITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          THE CONCERN ABOUT AVAILABILITY OF POTABLE WATER. 
          WELL, IT IS A CONCERN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS THAT IT'S A CONCERN. 
          OH, THEY DO. 
          WE WE DON'T KNOW . 
          WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE, WHEN WE MET WITH THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND WE SHARED WITH THEM THAT, THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. 
          THAT'S NUTS. 
          BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          WHENEVER THEY SIGN OFF ON THINGS, THEY MM-HMM. 
          WE DON'T HAVE DATA AND WE ALSO 
          [03:25:01]
HAVE THE OAK CREEK WATER DISTRICT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          NO, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, I WOULD EXPECT THE CITY OF SEDONA TO HAVE A PORTABLE WATER PLAN PERIOD. 
          EXPLAIN TO THE CITIZENS WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR WATER, WHAT AQUIFER'S FEELING THIS AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER COMPANY, I STILL THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF AN ACTION ITEM IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE WATER'S COMING FROM. 
          AND THAT'S HISTORIC. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE ON PAGE 81, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT PARTICIPATING IN REGIONAL STATE WA STATEWIDE WATER PLANNING. 
          AND THEN IT ALSO REFERENCES, UM, THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY IN THE CITY THAT JUST STARTED THIS YEAR. 
          YES. 
          WITH OUR RIPPLE EFFECT PROGRAM. 
          BUT I STILL, I THINK IT, IS IT ONLY ARIZONA WATER? IS IT ALSO OAK CREEK WATER DISTRICT? ARIZONA WATER IS THE ONE DRIVING THIS. 
          BUT WE HAVE, UH, THEY HAVE INVITED THE OAK CREEK DISTRICT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALONG WITH, UH, WAS IT BIG PARK DOWN IN UHHUH VC YEAH. 
          AND THE VOC. 
          SO YES, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT REGIONAL, BUT THEY ARE THE, UH, THE DRIVING FORCE AND, AND, UH, OUR PARTNERS ON THIS, WE'VE GOT SOME LITTLE ACRONYM LIKE DRIP OR I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S, UH, RIPPLE EFFECT. 
          RIPPLE. 
          RIPPLE. 
          WELL, THAT'S THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT. 
          . 
          AND I THINK WHAT'S THE MORE IMPORTANT COMPONENTS IS WHERE IT DESCRIBES, UM, JOINT WATER RESOURCE PROGRAM, INTEGRATED DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. 
          SO THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, ANALYZING DATA AND COMING UP WITH A PLAN BASICALLY. 
          AND A GROUP OF US ARE, WILL BE DOWN AT THE SONORAN IN INSTITUTE IN PHOENIX NEXT WEEK GOING THROUGH A WORKSHOP, UH, IN REGARDS TO THIS FOR THREE DAYS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO BACK TO WHAT GEORGE WAS SAYING, LET'S, WE HAVE WATER CONSERVATION AND THESE PLANS SITTING RIGHT HERE. 
          THEN THE KEY ISSUES OVERVIEW, THE PORTABLE WATER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SOME SORT OF WORDAGE VERBIAGE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW, OH, THIS CHAPTER, THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION ON THE WATER CONSERVATION COMPONENT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND SAY, OH, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER IN SEDONA? AND I HATE TO USE THE COMMENT, WELL, ARIZONA WATER, A PRIVATE COMPANY SAYS WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I MEAN MM-HMM. 
          , IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE MORE. 
          WE KNOW MORE INVOLVEMENT. 
          WE SHOULD KNOW MORE. 
          AND THE CITY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, COULD WE LIST UNDER ACCOMPLISHMENTS, THE ADDITION OF THE EAST SIDE WATER TANK, ARIZONA WATER, EAST SIDE WATER TANK? EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T CONSTRUCT IT, WE APPROVED IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          FOR STORAGE. 
          CAN I ASK A ELAINE P WELL, I JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION. 
          THE EVACUATION AND REENTRY PLAN THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY PUT TOGETHER IN 2023, THERE WAS STILL A LOT OF CONCERNED RESIDENTS FROM THE UPTOWN AREA. 
          DO YOU KNOW IF THAT PLAN IS BEING REVISITED TO MEET THE CONCERNS OF THE UPTOWN CITIZENS? ANYONE? OKAY. 
          IT WAS JUST DONE IN THIS YEAR. 
          2023. 
          YEAH. 
          IT, IT WAS JUST DONE. 
          BUT THE, THERE WAS A BIG COMMUNITY, UM, QUESTIONING FROM THE UPTOWN COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF NOT CLEAR EXIT AND REENTRY WHAT STREETS EXACTLY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO COME OUT OF. 
          SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF ANYONE KNEW IF THERE WERE ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS. 
          UM, A SECOND. 
          I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING UNDER UPTOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SO WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, DEVELOP AN INTEGRATED AREA PLAN THAT ADDRESSES CIRCULATION, PARKING NEIGHBORHOODS, ET CETERA. 
          AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT WOULD INCORPORATE THAT ISSUE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I KNOW PERSONALLY FROM HAVING TALKED, UM, ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THAT'S THE INTENT IS TO LOOK AT ALL OF IT BECAUSE IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [03:30:01]
CYNTHIA. 
          ON PAGE 81, UNDER THE ACTIONS COLUMN, I, UH, TELL ME IF I'M INTERPRETING THIS CORRECTLY, BUT IDENTIFY APPROPRIATE STANDARDS, UM, DOT.DOT CAN BE APPLIED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH WOULD INFER TO ME WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS. 
          WAIT, WHAT? WHICH ONE? AND SO I GUESS MY OVERARCHING COMMENT IS WE, WE SHOULD BE IDENTIFYING STANDARDS FOR RESIDENT FOR ALL USES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BECAUSE NUMBER TWO IMPLIES THAT IT'S ONLY COMMERCIAL BECAUSE YOU'D BE GOING THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GOT INTO TALKING ABOUT STANDARDS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I'M WONDERING, UH, ON THE, YOU KNOW, OFFSIDE DO ACTION. 
          DO THESE ACTIONS WORK THEIR WAY INTO EITHER THE SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER'S WORK PLAN AND OR WEAVE INTO COUNCIL SETTING PRIORITIES AND BUDGET BUDGETING? BECAUSE IF WE TOOK ALL OF THESE OUT AND, YOU KNOW, PUT 'EM UP LIKE LITTLE BUILDING BLOCKS, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON. 
          AND AS WE GO THROUGH THESE FOLLOWING ONES, I HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, NUGGETS IN THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OF IMPORTANT THINGS THAT ARE SUGGESTED THAT THE CITY UNDERTAKE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           SOME OF THESE ACTION ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES OFF HAND, BUT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE DEPARTMENTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN SOME CASES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING OR THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          AND THEN THERE MIGHT BE A FEW THAT WE NEED TO CHECK WITH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MAKE SURE. 
          AND MORE BROADLY, UM, THIS SUGGESTS ACTIONS, YOU KNOW, ACTIONS FOR COUNCIL SETTING PRIORITIES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, AND THEN SHUFFLED DOWN TO STAFF WORK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IDEALLY THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN YEAH. 
          WHEN THEY'RE DISCUSSING PRIORITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT'S IN THEIR PURVIEW. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, LET'S STEPPING BACK ONE PAGE. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS GRAPHIC OUT ON THE OAK CREEK WATERSHED 'CAUSE IT'S TOO SMALL TO READ. 
          WELL, IT'S 17 YEARS OLD AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER QUALITY ON OAK CREEK. 
          AND I THINK USING DATA THAT'S 17 YEARS OLD, I'D RATHER JUST NOT, BOY, YOU HAVE GOOD EYES ALSO. 
          AND PLUS THE AGENCY THAT PREPARED IT IN THE LINK, IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. 
          IT'S CALLED ARIS, ARIZONA NEMO. 
          ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE WATERSHED MAP? YES. 
          YEP. 
          OH, REMOVE IT FOR, IT WAS INTENDED JUST TO ILLUSTRATE WHERE, WHERE THE WATERSHED, BUT IT'S TALKING ABOUT DEGRADATION OF OAK CREEK AND SO FORTH. 
          AND I, I'D IT'S SHOWING MORE THAN JUST THE WATERSHED. 
          I WAS ABLE TO BLOW THE SCREEN UP ON MY COMPUTER. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S SEVEN. 
          IT'S IT'S 17 YEARS OLD. 
          YEAH. 
          NOBODY WAS, BUT THE WATERSHED BOUNDARY HASN'T CHANGED. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE DATA ON THERE IS LIKELY WRONG. 
          OH. 
          WE JUST ASSUME NO ONE WOULD READ THAT DATA. 
          BUT  WELL, I DO. 
          WELL WE CAN FIND ANOTHER MAP THAT SHOWS WATERSHED, UNLESS THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT. 
          NO. 
          THE MAP'S IMPORTANT, BUT A CURRENT MAP WOULD BE BEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OR I CAN JUST DELETE THIS DATA ON PAGE 80, UNDER ACTIONS NUMBER TWO, WE DISCUSSED POTENTIAL CITY ACQUISITION. 
          PUBLIC PURCHASE. 
          YEAH. 
          PUBLIC. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ACQUISITION, PUBLIC ACQUISITION. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT GOES IN RIGHT. 
          , SHE WAS GONNA MAKE IT A SEPARATE BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR. 
          AND JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE MATH ON COMMENT NUMBER 4 78, THEY WERE QUESTIONING THE WATER USAGE NUMBER FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. 
          AND THEY SAID YOU'D HAVE TO CONSUME FOUR FEET OF WATER ON A FOOTBALL FIELD EVERY DAY TO COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS. 
          AND, AND KELLY'S MATH IS WRONG. 
          SO 
          [03:35:01]
THE NUMBERS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE ARE GOOD. 
          I SUGGESTED THAT WE SEE AVERAGE DAILY CONSUMPTION GALLONS PER DAY. 
          I HAD SOME NOTES TO ACRE FEET REDO THIS WHOLE TABLE. 
          YEAH, THAT'D BE EASIER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOBODY KNOWS WHAT AN ACRE FOOT IS PERSONALLY. 
          ? NO. 
          ON PAGE 83, I HAD ASKED THIS MORNING IN THE BOX ABOUT, WITH THE QUOTE, OUR FOCUS IS ON EQUITABLE TRANSITION, UM, TO TRY TO MOVE OR REDUCE EMISSIONS OF BY 50% BY 2030. 
          THAT MAYBE WE COULD INCLUDE WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS. 
          MM MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, MAYBE THIS IS A SECTION WHERE THE EV CLA UH, CHARGING STATION SHOULD BE AN ACTION ITEM PERHAPS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE A, A LEVEL THREE. 
          AND I THINK ACTUALLY, I THINK WE, THAT'S THE ONLY UNDERSTANDABLE, QUANTIFIABLE THING THAT WOULD EQUATE TO THE SIM TO WHAT A GAS STATION IS TODAY FOR AN EV IS A LEVEL THREE. 
          SO CAN WE SAY LIKE A LEVEL THREE AND HIGHER SO THAT IN FIVE YEARS WHEN THERE'S LEVEL FOUR, WOULD THAT WORK? OR I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          I I THINK IT'S TOO SPECIFIC. 
          YES. 
          I THINK LEVEL THREE OR HIGHER IS FINE BECAUSE THEY, THEY KEEP, IT'S GONNA CHANGE. 
          BUT, BUT WHAT WON'T CHANGE IS THAT A LEVEL TWO OR A LEVEL ONE IS NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU ANY RANGE AT ALL. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEONE THAT WORKS HERE, FOR INSTANCE, AT CITY HALL AND COMMUTE FROM COTTONWOOD OR ELSEWHERE, AND THEY PLUG THEIR CAR IN FOR EIGHT HOURS A DAY, IT'S GONNA GET 'EM BACK HOME AND THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SOME, SOME EMPLOYEES HAVE TO GET, GET JUMPS, , THEIR ELECTRIC CAR DOES NOT LAST ON THEIR WAY HOME. 
          NO. 
          I NEED TO TALK WITH SUSTAINABILITY ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, 'CAUSE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS IS THEY MAY ALREADY ADDRESS THIS IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE IT LISTED AS A POLICY IN GENERAL, BUT I THINK GETTING INTO THINGS LIKE LEVELS, IT'S TOO SPECIFIC FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          IT MAY BE, BUT THE, NO, I, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS UNTIL TWO MONTHS AGO. 
          SO I'M TALKING TWO MONTHS YOUNG. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT MOST PEOPLE, IF THEY SEE YOU HAVE A CHARGER, THEY THINK, OH, THEY'VE GOT A, AN EV CHARGER. 
          AND IF IT WON'T CHARGE AN EV TO GO SOMEWHERE, THEN IT'S REALLY NOT AN EV CHARGER. 
          IT, IT HAS A PURPOSE. 
          IF YOU STAY OVERNIGHT IN A HOTEL YEAH. 
          AND YOU CAN PLUG IN THE WHOLE TIME NIGHT YOU'RE THERE, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR. 
          AND THAT WORKS FINE IF YOU'RE GONNA BE IN A PARKING LOT FOR FOUR HOURS AND YOU CAN GET SIX MILES OF RANGE FOR EACH HOUR THAT YOU'RE THERE. 
          OKAY, WELL, YOU CAN GO, YOU KNOW, 24 MILES, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT LIKE DRIVING IN AND FILLING UP YOUR TANK. 
          THERE IS NO PLACE TO DO THAT UNLESS YOU GO TO OAK CREEK, WHICH I WOULD SUGGEST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING DOWN THERE, THE, THE LITTLE PLACES AROUND THERE, IF THERE WAS A, A COFFEE SHOP OR A, A LITTLE RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO PEOPLE, WHAT THEY NORMALLY DO IS THEY'LL PULL IN, THEY'LL GO TO, UH, AND GET A SANDWICH OR WHATEVER. 
          AND WHEN THEY DINNER WITH THEIR LUNCH, THEIR CAR IS FULL. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, 45 MINUTES LATER IT'S DONE. 
          UM, WE JUST DON'T, THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN SEDONA. 
          I, I WOULD AGREE WITH IT. 
          HAVING THE RIGHT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO, UM, DO THEIR BEST FOR THE PLANET IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE. 
          AND I WOULD SEE INCLUDING IT IN THE PLAN. 
          SO SPECIFIC, DOES THIS MEAN MODIFYING THE POLICY BECAUSE WE HAVE MAXIMIZED RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION AND STORAGE CAPACITY, SUCH AS EV CHARGERS, ET CETERA? MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK IT'S WANTING TO ELEVATE, UH, THE TYPE OF JAR BI GUESS THE WHOLE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE. 
          BUT I THINK ONE OF THE, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO WHAT CYNTHIA SAID IS THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, MUCH OF THIS COMES OUT OF THE, UM, THE PLAN AND, UM, IT MIGHT MAY ALREADY BE ADDRESSED IN THERE. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, IS GO BACK AND TALK WITH BRYCE, UM, AND, AND DISCUSS THIS. 
          UH, MAYBE THE SPECIFICS ARE BETTER IN THE PLAN MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THAN HERE. 
          OR MAYBE WE JUST SAY QUICKER CHARGING OPPORTUNITIES MM-HMM. 
           INSTEAD OF SAYING LEVEL THREE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, OR, BUT, BUT YES, I THINK THAT, UH, RIGHT. 
          LET'S TALK WITH OUR SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IF WE DO GET INTO THINGS LIKE LEVELS MM-HMM. 
          , WE'RE GONNA NEED AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
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AND AGAIN, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE IF IT'S NOT ALREADY IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          ISN'T, ISN'T THERE A LEVEL THREE AT POSSE GROUNDS? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          I BY THE HUB, RIGHT. 
          THERE'S EV CHARGERS, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A LEVEL, THERE'S EV CHARGERS. 
          IT MIGHT EVEN BE A LEVEL TWO, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S NO LEVEL THREES. 
          THE ONLY ONES THEY HAVE ARE THE RIVIAN AND THE, UM, TESLA ONES DOWN IN, IN THE VILLAGE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE LIKE 300 KILOWATT PER HOUR. 
          UM, AND THESE ARE 6.6. 
          AND IF YOU CAN JUST DO THE MATH, THERE'S JUST A HUGE DIFFERENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN DEFINITELY CHECK INTO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, LUCK WITH TRANSPORTATION. 
          I'M SORRY? REPEAT? NO, NO. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ADDING THE SPECIFICITY. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE WITH TRANSPORTATION, WE REFERENCED GO FORTH AND, AND COMPLETE THE SIM PROJECTS. 
          , YOU KNOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN HAS SPECIFIC THINGS IN IT, WE DON'T REALLY REFERENCE CONTINUE EXCEPT IN THIS LITTLE BOX, WE DON'T REALLY REFERENCE THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND ITEMS THAT ARE IN IT. 
          UM, SO THE INTENT IS WITH ALL OF THE PLANS, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A, A REFERENCE LIST AT THE APPENDIX BASICALLY. 
          UM, BUT ALSO WHEN THEY ARE MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENT TO HAVE A LINK TO THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND SO THAT IS NOT CLEAR IN THIS DRAFT, BUT IT REALLY APPLIES TO ALL OF OUR PLANS THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN WOULDN'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL IF THERE'S ALREADY ANOTHER PLAN THAT ADDRESSES IT. 
          AND YET WE DO FOR SOME OF THE SIMS. YEAH. 
          WE DO WHAT WE DO THAT FOR THE SIMS, SOME OF THE SIMS AT LEAST. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, AS LONG AS THERE'S A CLEAR LINKAGE MM-HMM. 
           AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE, IF YOU WANNA SEE WHAT'S IN THE PLAN, AND WE'RE SAYING HERE AS A POLICY, WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS PLAN, THEN GREAT. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT LINKAGE IS QUITE THERE. 
          RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
           AND WHY SPECIFIC ON THE ONE AND NOT THE OTHER? WELL, AND THAT'S THE PART OF THE EDITING AND CONSISTENCY. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE WALKING AND BIKING PLATE PAGE, WE DO HAVE, UM, TWO WEBS PAGES THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO LINK TO. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE ON EACH OF THESE PAGES. 
          IT'S JUST NOT IN THE DRAFT. 
          WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT ON EVERY, EVERY ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE, BUT WHERE'S THE REFERENCE? ? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD MOVED ON. 
          ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HAD TODAY UNDER WATER CONSERVATION AND WASTEWATER IS UNDER ACTION PLAN. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING, EXPLORING THE IDEA OF THE CITY IMPLEMENTING A DOMESTIC WATER METER PROGRAM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT OUR SEWER FACILITY CHARGES ARE ACTUALLY BASED ON WHAT WE CONSUME. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY PLAYING THE SAME OR IT BEING, YOU SAID, BASED ON, YOU KNOW RIGHT. 
          FIXTURE UNITS, WATER SUPPLY FIXTURE UNITS. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH IS FINE, UNLESS YOUR PROPERTY IS AN AIRBNB, YOU'RE DOING 11 LOADS OF LAUNDRY DURING A DAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO BOTH PROPERTIES COULD BE THE SAME, BUT THE USES ARE DIFFERENT AND THEREFORE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE A WAY THAT WE COULD ADDRESS AGING INFRASTRUCTURE IS YEAH. 
          IF OUR SEWER FACILITY CHARGES WERE ACTUALLY BASED ON OUR DOMESTIC WATER CONSUMPTION. 
          AND YOU COULD BREAK OFF, YOU KNOW, AT YOUR MAIN LINE WHERE YOUR CONNECTION IS A SEPARATE LINE FOR IRRIGATION, SO THAT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE CALCULATIONS. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT EXPLORED. 
          WELL, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ACTION ITEMS FOR WASTEWATER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, THAT TYPE OF PLAN IS IN PLACE LACE SPRINGS. 
          SO OUR OUT, THE WAYNE MINE, WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL VALVE, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE IRRIGATION PUT OFF. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO VALVES. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, ON PAGE OF 85, THERE'S THE CONTROL OF THE SPREAD OF NON-INVASIVE PLANT SPECIES. 
          AND IT DOES GO INTO, YOU KNOW, SOME DETAIL IN THE TREE OF HEAVEN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN JUST BE REWORKED AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          IT'S A WHOLE PARAGRAPH ABOUT THE TREE OF HEAVEN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WE CAN, WE CAN USE AN EXAMPLE, BUT I THINK JUST INVASIVE PLANTS THAT KIND OF TAKE OVER, TAKE 
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OVER COMMUNITIES. 
          WHAT IS, IF THAT COULD JUST WANT PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE THERE'S OTHER INVASIVE SPECIES MM-HMM. 
           THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN AFFECT OUR ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, BUT I DO RECOGNIZE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          SO I DON'T, AND THE OTHER OTHER THING, IF, IF THIS IS LIKE SUCH AN ISSUE THAT WE WANTED TO POINT IT OUT, MAYBE HAVING A GRAPHIC, 'CAUSE I HAD TO GOOGLE IT AGAIN TO GET THE IMAGE YOU PUT DOWN THEIR PHOTO. 
          WE ALL KNOW ABOUT TREE HEAVEN NOW. 
          YEAH, WE DO. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, PUT A GRAPH AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I KNEW THAT AT SCHLEY, I CAN LOOK AT, LOOK AT IT MAY, MAYBE EVEN AT THE FIRST SENTENCE THERE, JUST SAY STATING AS AN EXAMPLE, PETRIA HEAVEN. 
          THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS, BUT THIS, WELL, THIS OBVIOUSLY IS, IT'S A HOT TOPIC, HAS RISEN TO BE A REAL CAUSE OF CONCERN. 
          WE CAN RE WE CAN REWORK THAT PARAGRAPH BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY DOES HAVE A SENTENCE IN THERE WHILE THERE ARE OTHER INVASIVE PLANTS. 
          AND WE COULD EXPAND ON THAT AND MAYBE START THE PARAGRAPH WITH THAT STATEMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK SAYING THAT THIS, THIS TREE IS LIKE OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN AND THEN HAVE AN IMAGE OF IT. 
          YOU KNOW, RIGHT. 
          YOUTUBE, OR NOT YOUTUBE. 
          GOOGLE HAS SOME NICE IMAGING OF THE LEAF AND HOW IT GROWS. 
          OH NO, WE, WE GOT PLENTY OF PHOTOS. 
          WE JUST I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT IN THE DRAFT. 
          WE DIDN'T PUT PHOTOS IN. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT YEAH, NO, I, I I, I I BET YOU HAVE LOTS OF PHOTOS. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING IT MAKES IT EASIER TO SEE WHAT IT'S ON PAGE 84 UNDER INNOVATIVE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M TIRED, SO I MAY NOT BE AS ARTICULATED AS I'D LIKE TO BE, BUT ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS WE HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT ADDING WAS EDUCATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POLICIES OF CITY PROPERTIES, SETTING EXAMPLES AND IMPLEMENTING SUSTAINABLE DESIGNS AND ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, UM, DESIGNS. 
          I THINK EDUCATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY BUILD BUILDING IMPLEMENTS SOMETHING LIKE AN EDUCATION PLAQUE THAT SAYS THIS IS A BIOSWALE THAT TREATS, YOU KNOW, OUR ROOF WATER SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T JUST SEE LANDSCAPING, THEY REALIZE THAT IT ACTUALLY SERVES A PURPOSE. 
          OR IF WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, ALONG 89 A OR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS, THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY SERVING A PURPOSE TOWARDS SUSTAINABILITY, HAVING LITTLE EDUCATION BLOCKS YEAH. 
          TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND THEN HOPEFULLY ENCOURAGE AND MAKE THEM EXCITED OTHER CITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE THAT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S NEAT. 
          IT'S NEAT TO SEE. 
          AND THEN IT MAKES YOU THINK, OH, MAYBE I COULD DO THAT AT MY HOUSE. 
          SO MY BRAIN'S NOT TOTALLY FUNCTIONING. 
          DID YOU MENTION PARKS? NO. 
          OH. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT'D BE LIKE THE YEAH. 
          UH, FOREST STRANGER PARK. 
          RIGHT. 
          WOULD BE PERFECT PLACE BECAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING IN SWALES AND THINGS HAVE SOME EDUCATIONAL BORDERS. 
          YEAH. 
          LITTLE EDUCATIONAL SIGNS, YOU KNOW THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'D BE A GOOD ACTION. 
          BRING THE PAGE TO ECONOMY. 
          YEAH. 
           ONE, TWO. 
          EVERYONE TURN. 
          OKAY, THEN IT'S LOOKING GOOD. 
          COMMISSION STAFF. 
          HANG IN THERE. 
          I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO IT ONE NIGHT. 
          WE'RE TIED TO OUR CHAIRS, SO WE CAN'T LEAVE. 
          . 
          . 
          IT OFTEN FEELS THAT WAY, HUH? . 
          JUST TO GET AHEAD OF YOU A LITTLE. 
          WHAT'S THAT? JUST TO JUMP AHEAD. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL PROBABLY BE REMOVING THE CHART ON PAGE 89. 
          RIGHT. 
          UHHUH, . 
          JUST TO SAVE YOU SOME CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          GOOD. 
          UM, ON PAGE 91, ACTIONS UNDER ACTIONS, WE, UM, TALKED THIS MORNING ABOUT SOME REFERENCE TO HEALTHCARE, THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OR PARTNERSHIP PROGRAMS, MAYBE UNDER THAT OR NOT THAT VVI RIO WOULD BE THE PARTNER, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE HEALTHCARE NEEDS TO BE YES. 
          FOCUS CENTER A LITTLE MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          DID YOU SEE THE ARTICLE FROM THE NEW CEO IN THE PAPER? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WHO FOLLOWS UP ON BROADBAND? IS THAT A, I'M JUST GONNA SAY BRO, , IS THAT A CITY COUNCIL DIRECTIVE? YEAH. 
          THAT'S UNDERWAY. 
          IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE MAYBE IT GETS MOVED TO ACCOMPLISHMENTS. 
          APPARENTLY THEY'RE WORKING ON, IS THAT COMING, COMING OUT SOON? THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, I BELIEVE IS WORKING ON IT. 
          IT'S ACTIVELY BEING WORKED ON, WORKED ON THE CITY, HAD AN RFP OH. 
          UM, TO PARTNER WITH DIFFERENT, UM, BROADBAND PROVIDERS. 
          THIS, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CITY WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO PUT UP FOR THAT. 
          UH, BUT THERE'S ALSO BEAD FUNDING, UM, FROM THE 
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FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMING THROUGH THE STATE. 
          AND THAT THE, THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION, UH, WHICH WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL ABOUT JUNE, UM, ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT TYPE OF FUNDING. 
          SO MAYBE IT DOESN'T GO INTO ACTIONS AT ALL. 
          HOW ABOUT ACCOMPLISHMENTS? ? IT OUGHT TO GO SOMEWHERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE TWO . 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I HAVE A COMMENT ON, UM, PAGE 91 IN REGARDS TO, UM, SUPPORT PROGRAMS, ASSIST LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THEN SUPPORT BUSINESS PROSPERITY BY CONNECTING THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THERE IS A DIRECTION HERE THAT IMPLIES THAT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE VERDE VALLEY REGIONAL ECONOMIC ORGANIZATIONS ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD ADD THE CITY OF SEDONA AS WELL. 
          I THINK IT'S KEY THAT THE CITY PARTICIPATES WITH BUSINESS, LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS AND ENTREPRENEURS IN ORDER TO CREATE A VIBRANT LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE THE CITY MENTIONED IN HERE AT ALL THE POLICY OF SUPPORT PROGRAMS. MM-HMM. 
           THE CITY IS WHO WOULD DO THAT? WELL, IT JUST SAYS SUPPORT PROGRAMS THAT ASSIST LOCAL BUSINESS ENTREPRENEURS, TELE COMMUNITY, AND IT SAYS THERE'S A NEED TO WORK WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          SO WE'RE SAYING THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO WORK WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE VALLEY. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SORRY, IT'S, IT'S, I'M SORRY. 
          IT, WE COULD ADD IN THE WORD THE CITY. 
          CYNTHIA, DO THE ACTIONS ON, ON PAGE 93 BECOME THE WORK PLAN FOR THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD? IS THAT ITS TITLE? TAB? TAB? NO. 
          WELL, SO THE ACTION ITEMS, THOSE WE GOT FROM OUR, UM, TOURISM TEAM STAFF, MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'LL BE COMING UP WITH THEIR OWN WORK PROGRAM. 
          SO, SO THIS IS A LIST OF THINGS THAT THE TOURISM PROGRAM IS PLANNING TO DO, BUT THIS PLAN IS NOT GONNA LIKE PRESUPPOSE WHAT THE COMMITTEE WILL COME UP WITH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHEN YOU REFER TO TOURISM PROGRAM MM-HMM. 
           IS, IS THAT A DEPARTMENT ? RIGHT NOW IT'S OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND PUBLIC RELATIONS STAFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          KEEGAN AND LAUREN, AND, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY'RE PLANNING TO HIRE ANOTHER, THERE'S A, WE ALREADY HIRED A TOURISM COORDINATOR LOWER LEVEL, AND THEN THEY ARE PROPOSING TO HIRE MORE OF A MANAGER LEVEL POSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS WOULD THEN SET THEM UP OR THESE EFFECTIVE TAB? IS THIS A TAB? YEAH. 
          OR STAFF OR BOTH, I GUESS IS WHAT I WANNA YOU MEAN THE ACTION ITEMS? YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          IT DEPENDS ON WHICH, WHICH ONE. 
          AND SOME OF THESE ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY. 
          UM, AND THIS IS AN AWKWARD CHAPTER BECAUSE OF THE TIMING. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I MEAN SURE. 
          I THINK NEXT WEEK THEY'RE HAVING THEIR OWN PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, RIGHT. 
          WE DIDN'T PROBABLY GO INTO, UM, AS MUCH DETAIL BECAUSE WE'RE EXPECTING THAT THEY ARE GONNA FIGURE ALL THAT OUT. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST A BIRTHING MOMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          YES. 
          IT'S, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          OOH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR SHOULD WE MOVE ALONG ON THE AGENDA? I'M GONNA LET GEORGE HAVE TWO MINUTES TO GO BACK AND FIND THAT QUESTION. 
          I  ON PAGE 96, UHHUH UNDER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM. 
          YES. 
          I THINK IT IS A TRUE STATEMENT. 
          THE, AS PROVIDED IN A RS, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THEN REVIEWS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TO DETERMINE THE CONFORMITY WITH THE ADOPTIVE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I RECALL A FORMER COMM, UH, COMMISSIONER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHO'S NOW A COUNCIL PERSON. 
          MM-HMM. 
           SAYING, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. 
          YOU MEAN PROCEDURALLY, PROCEDURALLY THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIVE IT BACK TO PNC. 
          RIGHT? WELL, IT IS LEGISLATIVE, RIGHT. 
          . 
          SO, SO KIRK CAN YEAH. 
          TAKE A STAB AT THAT ONE. 
          I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. 
          BUT IT IS STATUTORY, I THINK, ISN'T IT? RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK IT IS. 
          AND UM, 
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COMMISSIONER FURMAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FELT LIKE WE EITHER NEED TO DO IT MM-HMM. 
           OR CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OR CHANGE THE LAW. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS, BUT NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LISTED IN THE STATUTE ABOUT, IT'S IN THE STATUTE, THE GENERAL PLANS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO NECESSARILY NO, IN, IN THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CITY GENERAL PLANS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THERE IS A STATEMENT THAT SAYS P AND C SHOULD BE REVIEWING CIPI COULD GET THE EXACT REFERENCE. 
          I, I I DON'T NEED THE REFERENCE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING PUT IT IN HERE. 
          IS WE OR IS WE NOT? RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , YES. 
          GEORGE AND I, AND I THINK, OH, EXCUSE ME. 
          IF I RECALL, UH, PETE, WHEN HE GOT ON COUNCIL, BROUGHT THIS UP AS A CLEANUP ITEM TO MAKE IT, TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE SO THAT IT MET WITH, SO THAT IT ALIGNED WITH THE ACTUAL PRACTICE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, STRIKE IT. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS NO APPETITE. 
          PEOPLE JUST, SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT IT SAYS. 
          IT SAYS, THE LEGISLATIVE BODY MAY ESTABLISH A PLANNING AGENCY, AND, UM, AND THEN THE PLANNING AGENCY SHALL PERIODICALLY REVIEW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN THE MUNICIPALITY. 
          SO THERE'S A MAY AND A SHALL, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO A LITTLE MORE TO SEE. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION'S COMING FROM. 
          HMM. 
          AND AMBIGUOUS LAW NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE. 
          WHAT ? OKAY. 
          SO GOING WAY BACK, WAY BACK MACHINE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED OFF, UM, OH MY GOD. 
          AND IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE I HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS BROKE. 
          I, I TOLD HIM HE COULD REMEMBER. 
          OH, I DID. 
          YOU WE GOT TO DO ONE, ONE WAY BACK MACHINE FRIEND WHO HAS ASKED ME ABOUT THIS. 
          SO UNDER COMMUNITY PAGE, PLEASE, PAGE EIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT IS BACK UNDER COMMUNITY PROFILE SENTENCES USED TO DECLINE IN SEDONAS YEAR ROUND RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCIES IS LIKELY DUE TO INCREASING NUMBER OF HOUSES BEING CONVERTED INTO SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS. 
          AND IT'S PRETTY DEFINITIVE STATEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND IT'S, WE'RE SHOWING A 200, UH, PERSON DECREASE FROM 2010, 2022. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAD THE SAME REACTION. 
          I SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT COST OF LIVING OR THE JOBS THAT WERE AVAILABLE, OR HAD WE ACTUALLY ASKED ANYBODY? AND UHHUH , I COULD OVERSTATED IT NEEDS TO BE REWORKED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, COULD CONTRIBUTE TO IT. 
          BUT YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          EVEN THOUGH I DON'T MM-HMM. 
          , I DON'T LOVE SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          IT'S NOT ALL ON THAT. 
          LOTS OF OTHER FACTORS THAT COULD WE, WE ACTUALLY HAD SOME COMMENTS ONLINE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN REGARDS TO THAT VERY SAME THING. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I THINK IT MISREPRESENTS. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU GEORGE. 
          I SAW MINE. 
          , ARE WE ON PAGE 98 NOW? WELL, I'LL, IN THE WAY BACK MACHINE. 
          I'LL, I'LL THROW IN ON PAGE NINE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO EXPLAIN THE REASONS FOR DECLINE IN POPULATION. 
          I, MARK SAID THIS, WHEN WE TALK WELL FOR, UH, YEAR ROUND, HOW DOES IT RELATE? GROWTH TABLE, AGE DISTRIBUTION. 
          MAYBE THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT. 
          ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          I'M SORRY, CHAIR. 
          I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD. 
          YOU'RE, I'M, I'M GONNA RETRACT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          , I DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT WELL, AND I, IT GOES TO THE, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING ABOUT JUST SOME MORE EXPLANATION ABOUT YEAH. 
          HOW TO READ THESE TABLES. 
          WHAT DOES IT MEAN INTERPRETIVE. 
          WHAT, BUT THEN WOULDN'T BE, WOULDN'T WE BE MAKING THE MISTAKE THAT WAS JUST POINTED OUT OF MAKING AN ASSUMPTION WITHOUT, WELL, WHY IS IT THERE? I MEAN, IT, IT SHOWS TO INTERPRET IT TO SHOW CHANGES WHERE TO INTERPRET. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WE LEAVING IT TO THE READER TO INTERPRET OR ARE WE RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY SEES THAT OUR POPULATION IS DROPPED. 
          YEAH. 
          TO SEE WHAT THAT THE, THAT OUR POPULATION HAS DROPPED AND LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS BASED ON AGE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE AT ONE POINT WE HAD A BUNCH OF FAMILIES. 
          NOW WE DON'T, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'RE DENYING THAT THE INFORMATION SHOULDN'T BE THIS WAY. 
          IT'S THE INTERPRETATION. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THERE ARE SOME GRAPH PHOBIC PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE GONNA, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO HELP THEM EXPLAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT PERHAPS 
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BY CHANGING THE PARAGRAPH UP FRONT, UM, AND SAYING THAT ST MAYBE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE, WE ARE SHOWING THE DECLINE. 
          AND, AND, AND SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED, WE'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED IT'S JUST NOT THE PRINCIPLE REASON PROBABLY. 
          RIGHT, EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT ONCE WE DEFINE THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE ARE REASONS AS TO WHY IT'S DECLINING AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING THAT DECLINE RATE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, MM-HMM. 
          , UM, NOT NE BUT IF, BUT IF THE SUGGESTION WAS TO REMOVE THE SENTENCE FROM PAGE EIGHT, THEN I DON'T WANNA MAKE ASSUMPTIONS OR INTERPRET ANOTHER CHART. 
          NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IF WE'VE ALREADY CHANGED THAT, THAT PORTION UP YEAH. 
          TOP THEN IN MY MIND, WE ARE NOW JUST PROVIDING INFORMATION TO SHOW THAT YES, IT IS DECLINING AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS, UH, SO NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE NEED TO NOW EXPLAIN THOSE GRAPHICS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, MM-HMM. 
           IS THAT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND ONE LAST THING ON PAGE 98, UM, NINE, EIGHT MAJOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA NUMBER TWO, MODIFICATION TO THE TEXT. 
          IT'S REALLY NOT RELATED TO THE MODIFICATION OF THE TEXT, BUT A CHANGE IN THE DENSITY RANGES WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. 
          IT MADE ME WONDER ABOUT DO ADUS QUALIFY FOR THIS? SO IF YOU'VE GOT A RESIDENTIAL LOT, UH, WITH A HOUSE ON IT, YOU NOW HAVE AN A DU TWO HOUSES PER, IT GOES TO THAT PHOENIX QUESTION. 
          IS IT A DUA HOUSE? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE ON HOW YOU DEFINE THAT WITHIN THE LDC. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT, I'M SORRY RIGHT HERE IS, IT JUST MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT. 
          YES. 
          WELL, A DU ACCESSORY, RIGHT. 
          ACCESSORY TO THE, THE PRIMARY USE, WHICH WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN IT'S TWO HOUSES OR ONE HOUSE THAT GETS BACK TO THE, THE STOVE, DOESN'T IT? UM, YES. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          UH, ONE, ARE WE SAYING THAT WE ARE, UH, MAKING A CHANGE TO OUR SINGLE FAMILY ZONING TO ALLOW FOR TWO HOMES? OR ARE WE SAYING AN A DU IS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING TO THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING AND THEREFORE IT'S NOT TRULY A HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS ALL THE CAPABILITIES OF A HOUSE. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          I, I THINK THAT WHAT YOU SAID, YES, THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT TWO WAYS, UM, IN, IN THE DEFINITION OF THE BUILDING CODE, WHICH SHOULD NEVER MIX WITH THE ZONING CODE. 
          BUT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE OUT THERE LOOKING AT THAT SAYING, WELL, WAIT, THAT'S A HABITABLE STRUCTURE. 
          'CAUSE IT HAS ALL THESE THINGS THAT THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES FOR A HABITABLE STRUCTURE. 
          SO YES, I DO, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THAT QUESTION IS ALSO THE CONFUSION OF ARE WE ALLOWING TWO HOMES ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT? AND I THINK MY ANSWER TO THAT IS, A, WE COULD EITHER SAY YES AND WE'RE CHANGING THE CODE TO ALLOW FOR TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON A SINGLE FAMILY ZONED LOT. 
          OR WE COULD LOOK AT IT AS NO, BASED UPON OUR DEFINITIONS, THAT A DU STILL IS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. 
          IT IS ACCESSORY TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S TWO WAYS WE COULD BE LOOKING AT THAT. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE OF THE, THAT YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU WANTED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND YOU DON'T WANNA CHANGE YOUR IDU, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THEN YOU'RE GONNA SAY IT'S SUCCESS. 
          IT'S AN ACCESSORY DWELLING. 
          BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT ONE WAY, WHAT YOU SAID YEAH. 
          THEN EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE, RIGHT. 
          DURING THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          AND I, AND I HESITATE TO, UM, MAKE IT MORE CONCRETE BECAUSE SEDONA NEEDS TO BE ADAPTABLE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR HOUSING MARKET AT THE MOMENT. 
          BUT THEN WHEN WE HAVE TOO MUCH, DO WE CHANGE IT AND CLARIFY IT? OR DO WE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S JUST AMBIGUOUS INTENTIONALLY, REALLY. 
          OH. 
          UM, WE'LL CLOSE THAT AGENDA ITEM I 
          [6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. 
          [04:05:03]
SO I GUESS WE WOULD ASK YOU, DID YOU WANT TO CONTINUE? NO, NO, NO. 
          . 
          . 
          SO, SO WITH THAT, WITH THAT, WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, THE FUTURE MEETING DATE WOULD BE OUR FEBRUARY 20TH. 
          SIXTH. 
          OH, THE SIXTH. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M, I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE I SHOULD GO HOME. 
          WE DO OTHER WORK LATE. 
          SO FEBRUARY 6TH WOULD BE THE FUTURE MEETING DATE. 
          UM, AND ON THE DOCKET RIGHT NOW IS THE VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING, UH, AND THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK, WHICH WOULD BE A COP. 
          IT IS MM-HMM. 
          , OR I'M SORRY, IT, IT MAY BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNING, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH. 
          OH, IT IS. 
          SO CURRENTLY THE CULTURAL PARK IS ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR, UH, AMPHITHEATER. 
          AND SO THE REQUEST WILL BE, UH, THAT ONE, ONE PARCEL OF THE MULTIPLE PARCELS OUT THERE, BE AT ADDITIONAL USE OF, UH, OVERNIGHT PARKING . 
          THAT'S UNIQUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          . 
          I WAS STUMBLING. 
          WHERE THERE'S A WAY. 
          . 
          AND WHAT ABOUT THE 20TH? FEBRUARY 20TH WOULD BE OUR HEARING FOR THE, FOR THE MEETING. 
          AND YOU WON'T SCHEDULE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, NO. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WE WOULD EXPECT THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT ONE OR ONE OR TWO. 
          IS IT, IS, IS IT EXPECTED ON THE SIXTH THAT THAT COULD BE A MEETING THAT'S KINDA LIKE TONIGHT WHERE WE WOULD GO THIS LATE? UM, YOU TRYING TO MAKE DINNER PLANS? I, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, ESPECIALLY IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO INVESTIGATE THESE, UM, UH, ON OUR WEBSITE, THE, THE PROJECTS PORTIONS OF OUR WEBSITE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY, IF YOU HADN'T ALREADY REVIEW THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THE LAST MEETING WITH THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND YOU KNOW, PROBABLY GLEAM SOME CONCLUSIONS OF YOUR OWN THROUGH THAT TO WHERE THAT MIGHT BE A A FAIRLY QUICK, UH, I MEAN, ROCKS ARE NOT GONNA BE QUICK. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, WITH SADDLE ROCK, UH, BEING CONTINUED, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS ON, ON THAT QUESTION. 
          I VOTE FOR PIZZA. 
          . 
          CAN CAN YOU TELL US, HAVE THEY MADE SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PLAN? NO, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          TALK ABOUT THAT UNDER THIS AGENDA. 
          I DON'T, SORRY. 
          BUT YOU COULD CALL. 
          YEAH. 
          TOMORROW I SEE THEM PUTTING UP TREE PROTECTION FENCES AND EVERYTHING THERE. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE PRETTY, UM, CONFIDENT, AREN'T THEY? YES. 
          THEY TEND TO BE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, NO OTHER COMMENTS ON UPCOMING AGENDAS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          JUST BEFORE WE, UM, ADJOURN, I SHOULD HAVE SAID IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN TO STAFF AND COMMISSION FOR THAT THOROUGH REVIEW AND HELPING US GET THROUGH IT. 
          KURT, STEVE AND CYNTHIA. 
          ON ON. 
          I'M PROUD OF ALL OF YOU FOR KNOCKING IT OUT IN ONE NIGHT. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'D LIKE TO EXTEND THAT SAME THANKS TO THE COMMISSION. 
          WE WERE JUST HERE TO LISTEN. 
          HUH? WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE JUST HERE TO LISTEN. 
          YEAH, NO ANSWER. 
          ALL OUR CRAZY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THIS IS GOOD JOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, WE'RE ADJOURNED. 
          ADJOURNED. 
          53. 
          THANK YOU.
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