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SORRY.THIS IS BOTH AGENDA ITEMS ARE, UH, HAVE A LOT OF ATTENTION AND INTEREST FROM THE PUBLIC.
[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
I WANNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THE CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.IT'S FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024 AT FOUR 30.
AND IF YOU WILL RISE WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PER ROLL CALL PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER GSKI EXCUSED HERE.
AND COMMISSIONER GRAHAM IS EXCUSED.
UH, WOULD YOU TAKE A MOMENT TO SILENCE YOUR PHONES, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
WE'LL GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
ONTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 16TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING.IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS TO THESE MINUTES, THEY STAND APPROVED.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 0.1 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
AND I HAVE NO ONE THAT'S, UM, SUBMITTED A CARD ON THAT AGENDA ITEM.
[5. Update/discussion regarding the Community Plan Update.]
MOVING ON TO NUMBER FIVE, UPDATE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.I THINK THE ONLY UPDATE WOULD BE THAT WE'RE STILL ON SCHEDULE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT ON THE 20TH BY THE CITY COUNCIL BY YOU, BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
OH, YOU BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE AMENDED DRAFT, UM, TO COUNCIL.
AND CYNTHIA IS WORKING HARD TO GET THAT AMENDED DRAFT INTO YOUR HANDS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT.
UM, BUT YES, THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
IS ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT AGENDA? NO, WE DID NOT PUT ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT AGENDA.
WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT TAKE THE WHOLE TIME.
[6.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Zone Change (ZC) to amend an existing PD (Planned Development) to add the “Safe Place to Park” Program as a permitted use at 75 Cultural Park Place (northwest corner of former Cultural Park). The property is within the Western Gateway Community Focus Area, is ±6 acres, and is located northwest corner of the intersection of W State Route 89A and Cultural Park Place. APN: 408-47-009A. The requested Zone Change an amendment to the permitted uses in the existing PD (Planned Development).]
CLOSE AGENDA NUMBER FIVE AND MOVE ON TO SIX.A CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION.
POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONE CHANGE TO AMEND AN EXISTING PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ADD SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM AS A PERMITTED USE AT 75 CULTURAL PARK PLACE, NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE FORMER CULTURAL PARK.
THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE WESTERN GATEWAY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA IS SIX PLUS OR MINUS ACRES, AND IS LOCATED NORTH ON LOCATED NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A AND CULTURAL PARK PLACE PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 DASH FOUR SEVEN DASH 0 0 9 A.
THE REQUESTED ZONE CHANGE IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PERMITTED USES IN THE EXISTING PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
AND I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO, UM, DESCRIBE THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE COMMISSION WILL REVIEW THIS AGENDA ITEM.
UH, FIRST STAFF WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION OR MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS AS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF YOU THERE.
AND THEN, UM, THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE ONE MEMBER ON THE TV OVER THERE, AND SHE'LL CHIME IN AS WELL.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU SHOULD, UH, FILL OUT ONE OF THESE
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CARDS AND HAND IT OVER TO MEGAN.AND THEN YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON SPEAK IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY COME TO ME FOR JUST THREE MINUTE MINUTES EACH.
THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PUBLIC FORUM PORTION, AND BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK TO THE COMMISSION HERE.
AND THEN, UH, WE TAKE A VOTE ON THE MATTER.
SO THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO PROCEED.
SO WHO'S LEADING US OFF, CARRIE? HI.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO TAG TEAM THIS A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT.
I AM JOINED HERE BY OUR HOUSING STAFF MEMBERS.
SHANNON BOONE IS OUR HOUSING MANAGER, AND SHE'S THERE.
AND THEN JEANNIE FREERIDER FREE.
I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR LAST NAME.
SHE'S OUR HOUSING COORDINATOR.
SO THEY WORK IN OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND HAVE PUT TOGETHER THIS PROGRAM.
SO WE WILL KIND OF BE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE THREE OF US FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, SO AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ADD THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM AS A PERMITTED USE.
UM, THIS IS ON A PORTION OF THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY.
THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS ACTING AS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS, UM, PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
UM, THE SITE THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED IS ABOUT SIX ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT, BUT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS THE PARKING AREA WHEN THE CULTURAL PARK WAS OPEN AND FUNCTIONING AS A, THE OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER.
SO FOR THE VICINITY MAP, THIS, UM, DID NOT HIGHLIGHT IT, BUT IT IS THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE AERIAL, THE OLD AMPHITHEATER, THIS IS THE TRAILHEAD PARKING AREA WITH THE LIGHT AT CULTURAL PARK PLACE, KIND OF OFF DOWN TO THE RIGHT OF THIS IMAGE.
UM, THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THIS IS DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC AND PLANNED AREA.
UM, BUT IT IS ALSO PART OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA.
THIS PLAN WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 2016 AND WENT THROUGH SOME AMENDMENTS IN 2020 OR 2022.
UM, THE CURRENT ZONING IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT, BUT YET THIS IS A ZONE CHANGE.
UM, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AS OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IS SPECIFIC TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS PROPOSED WHEN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT WAS PROPOSED.
SO FOR, IN THIS CASE, THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY ALLOWS FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AS ESSENTIALLY AS THE CULTURAL PARK AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED WITH THE AMPHITHEATER AND PARKING AREAS.
AND THE FULL BUILD BUILD OUT OF THAT PLAN INCLUDED A NUMBER OF OTHER USES THAT OBVIOUSLY NEVER WERE REALIZED.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT WHERE YOU HAVE THE LIST AND THE CODE OF HERE'S ALL THE ALLOWED USES THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO.
THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING IS SPECIFIC TO THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO IN ORDER FOR THIS PROGRAM OR REALLY ANYTHING ELSE TO BE ALLOWED OUT THERE, THERE IS A PLAN.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ADD IN THIS AS AN ALLOWED USE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO THE WAY THINGS ARE DESCRIBED, UM, IN THE APPLICATION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THIS APPLICATION, WITH A SAFE PLACE TO PARK, YOU WOULD NOT BE APPROVING A GENERAL IDEA THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARK THERE AND CAMP OVERNIGHT.
YOU WOULD BE PROPO APPROVING THE SPECIFIC PROGRAM THAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE HOUSING, UM, DEPARTMENT.
WITH ALL THOSE, WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT STIPULATIONS AND RULES AND ALL THAT.
ANY DEVIATION FROM THAT COULD, UM, BE SEEN AS A ZONING VIOLATION AND WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY, OR IS THIS AN AMENDMENT TO THAT PROGRAM, TO THAT USE THAT WE WOULD WANNA MAKE.
AND SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT WHAT YOU ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT IS SPECIFICALLY THE PROGRAM THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU AND WHETHER THIS PROPERTY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE USE FOR WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
THE PROPERTY HERE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS PINK BOX OVER HERE.
UM, THIS YELLOW ZONING IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING, SO WORKING, UM, KIND OF EAST ON 89 A, WHICH IS THIS HIGHWAY.
HERE YOU SEE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT YELLOW ZONES.
THOSE ARE ALL PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS THE CULTURAL PARK PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE SEDONAS SUMMIT PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
YOU HAVE THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE HOSPITAL, AND EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS ITS OWN PERMITTED USES.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, WE, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS CULTURAL PARK PLAN DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PROPERTY IN THE CORNER HERE, UM, JUST FOR CONTEXT SAKE,
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UM, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A REALLY ZOOMED OUT PORTION OF THE MAP, THE DISTANCE FROM THE EDGE OF THIS PROPERTY HERE TO THE EDGE OF THE ACT, THE FULL CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY IS ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE.SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOW FAR DIFFERENT THINGS ARE AWAY AND THAT SORT OF THING, THAT IS KIND OF THE SCALE.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT SIX ACRES IN SIZE.
AND SO THEN MOVING ON, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE CLOSER.
LOOK AGAIN, IT'S ALL, THIS IS THAT CULTURAL PARK PD, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NATIONAL FOREST ZONING TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST.
YOU HAVE THE INTERSECTION AT CULTURAL PARK PLACE DOWN HERE.
YOU HAVE THE CITIES, UM, TRAILHEAD, SHUTTLE PARKING LOT HERE WITH THE MARRIOTT HOTEL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL ON THAT SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JEANIE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROGRAM, UM, UH, THAT THEY'RE THAT ASKING THAT THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER.
AND YOU CAN USE, YOU CAN CLICK THROUGH.
CAN I PULL THAT OVER? TRY TO MOVE THIS BECAUSE IT MESSES UP.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR AND THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU AND WITH MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AS CARRIE MENTIONED, WE ARE GOING, CAN YOU EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING? CAN YOU MOVE THAT MIC CLOSER? SURE.
OR CAN, OR CAN YOU LEAN OVER BETTER
UM, WE ARE RE REQUESTING A ZONING CHANGE TO AMEND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, AS CARRIE WAS SAYING.
AND TODAY, HERE TONIGHT, WHAT I'M GOING TO REALLY FOCUS IN ON IS THE PROGRAM, UM, THE PROGRAM, UM, COMPONENTS.
AND, UM, SO THE PROGRAM INTENT OF THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
IT'S A SAFE LEGAL PARKING AREA FOR LOCALLY EMPLOYED INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN THEIR VEHICLES OR CHILDREN IN THE K THROUGH 12 GRADES IN LOCAL SCHOOL SYSTEM WHO LIVE IN THEIR VEHICLES.
AND THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO PROVIDE A SAFE SPACE TO SLEEP AND TO PROVIDE CONNECTIONS WITH APPROPRIATE SUPPORT SERVICE WHERE SERVICES WHERE NEEDED.
SO WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SAFE PARKING? WELL, WE ARE PRESENTING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
THE 2020 HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT SHOWED A SHORTFALL OF 1,260 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
SHORT TERM RENTALS MAKE UP MORE THAN 16% OF SEDONAS HOUSING STOCK, AND THAT TOTALS ABOUT 1,069 HOMES.
UH, THE AVERAGE RENT FOR A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT IS 2,150.
HOME PRICES, THEY'VE INCREASED ABOUT 50% SINCE 2020.
THE AVERAGE PRICE IS HOVERING AROUND NINE $970,000.
SO SEDONA HAS STRUGGLED LIKE MANY TOURISM BASED COMMUNITIES WITH LIMITED HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE FOR OUR WORKFORCE.
AS A RESULT, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITUATION, FOR THE MOST PART, WILL ONLY BE OVERCOME BY BUILDING HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE.
AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS TAKES YEARS DUE TO THESE FACTORS.
MANY FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE AND WORK IN SEDONA HAVE BEEN FORCED TO MAKE A CHOICE TO LIVE IN THEIR CARS.
UH, THE REALITY, THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT THE SEDONA OAK CREEK UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS REPORTED THAT 19 HOMELESS STUDENTS ARE ENROLLED FROM 13 FAMILIES.
AND OF THESE 13 FAMILIES, FIVE OF THE FAMILIES ARE KNOWN TO LIVE IN CARS OR CAMPERS.
UM, THESE ARE THE MOST CURRENT NUMBERS THAT I HAVE.
UH, THE LOCAL FOOD PANTRY HAS SURVEYED PARTICIPANTS, AND THEY HAVE REPORTED THAT 39 INDIVIDUALS SAID THAT THEY LIVE IN THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY WORK IN SEDONA DUE TO THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THEY LIVE IN THEIR VEHICLES.
UM, FURTHER OUTREACH THAT THE CITY CONDUCTED, UH, INDICATED AN ADDITIONAL 35 PERSONS LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLES AND WORKING LOCALLY.
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SO SAFE PARKING PROGRAMS IN GENERAL.THEY'RE NOT SUPER NEW, THEY'RE KIND OF RELATIVELY NEW-ISH.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A FEW YEARS, SO THERE'S BEEN SOME ACADEMIC RESEARCH SURROUNDING THESE.
UM, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED 45 SAFE PARKING PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE US.
MOST OF THEM ARE BASED IN THE WESTERN STATES.
UM, SO WE'VE STUDIED ALL THIS RESEARCH AND WE HAVE TRIED TO INCORPORATE THE BEST PRACTICES OF ALL THESE SAFE PARKING PROGRAMS INTO OUR UNIQUE PROGRAM, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS.
UH, SO BEST PRACTICES WOULD INCLUDE STAFFING ON SITE DURING THE ENTIRE HOURS OF OPERATION, A GATE THAT LOCKS ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, PARTICIPANTS, UM, WHO WISH TO UTILIZE THE SITE.
THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM TO GET IN.
SO SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO LIVE IN THEIR VEHICLES.
RESEARCH DOES SHOW THAT THE NEEDS OF THIS GROUP, THIS POPULATION, THIS, THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SHELTERING IN THEIR VEHICLES ARE QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS, UH, WHO ARE LIVING OUTDOORS.
PARTICIPANTS IN SAFE PARKING PROGRAMS ACTUALLY DEFY THE HARMFUL STEREOTYPES OF HOMELESSNESS, NAMELY THAT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ARE DANGEROUS.
THEY'RE THIEVES, THEY'RE MENTALLY UNWELL, THEY'RE DOING DRUGS, ET CETERA.
INDIVIDUALS SHELTERING IN VEHICLES DO HAVE ACCESS TO GREATER RESOURCES.
THEY MAY, THEY MAY EMPLOYMENT, EXCUSE ME, THEY MAY, THEIR, THEY MAINTAIN THEIR EMPLOYMENT AND THEY MAINTAIN A VEHICLE.
THEY OFTEN MAINTAIN WORK AND COMMUNITY TIES THAT ARE NOT AFFORDED TO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LIVING ON THE STREET, BUT THEY STILL FACE UNIQUE LEGAL, SOCIAL, AND ECONOMIC CHALLENGES.
THE VEHICULAR HOMELESS SURVIVE IN A PRECARIOUS SITUATION.
THEY ARE EXPOSED TO CITATIONS, TO TOWING IMPOUNDMENT FEES THAT THREATEN THEIR ECONOMIC STABILITY AND THEIR QUOTE UNQUOTE HOMES.
FURTHER RESEARCH INDICATES THAT CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF, COMMUNITIES WITH SAFE PARKING PROGRAMS, WERE NOT SEEING INCREASES IN CRIME.
SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF SAFE PARKING.
WELL, THESE PROGRAMS AIM TO MEET THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLES BY OFFERING SAFETY, BASIC NEEDS, CONNECTIONS TO SUPPORTIVE SERVICES AS APPROPRIATE.
PROVIDING THESE SERVICES IN A SAFE PARKING PROGRAM CAN PREVENT INDIVIDUALS FROM ACTUALLY SLIPPING FURTHER INTO HARDSHIP.
ADULTS ARE ABLE TO FOCUS ON WORK, THEY SAVE SAVING FOR THEIR HOUSING, UM, AND THEY BECOME PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
SAFE PARKING LOTS PROVIDE A SPACE, UH, WITH BASIC HYGIENE AMENITIES FOR VEHICULAR RESIDENTS TO PARK OVERNIGHT.
WITHOUT THE RISK OF BEING MOVED ALONG, JOBS CAN BE MAINTAINED AND ULTIMATELY HOUSING CAN BE FOUND.
OUR SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM IS NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION, AND IT IS NOT HOUSING.
IT IS A TEMPORARY STRATEGY THAT SEEKS TO ADDRESS THE BASIC NEEDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY LIVING IN THEIR CARS IN OUR COMMUNITY, BY PROVIDING A DESIGNATED AND A SECURE PARKING AREA FOR THE WORKING, HOMELESS, CONNECTING PARTICIPANTS TO SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS.
THE PROGRAM WILL ALLOW US TO COLLECT DATA ON THIS POPULATION TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR UNIQUE CHALLENGES, WHICH WILL INFORM FUTURE POLICIES AND HOUSING SOLUTIONS.
SO WHO, WHO ARE THEY? WHO ARE OUR PARKERS? WELL, THESE ARE YOUR LOCAL RESTAURANT SERVERS, YOUR SPA ATTENDANTS, YOUR GROCERY STORE, CASHIERS, YOUR COFFEE SHOP, BARISTAS, HOSPITALITY AND HOTEL PERSONNEL, RETAIL STORE CLERKS, TEACHERS AT CITY EMPLOYEES, JEEP TOUR DRIVERS, AND OTHER OUTDOOR ADVENTURE GUIDES, SOME OF WHOM YOU'LL HEAR FROM TONIGHT.
WE SEE, AND WE INTERACT WITH THEM EVERY DAY IN OUR DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WE DON'T REALIZE THEIR LIVING SITUATIONS.
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ASK AND THEY DON'T TELL.BUT EVERY NIGHT THEY RETURN TO THEIR VEHICLES, TO THE NATIONAL FOREST, OR AT POSSE GROUND PARK, OR IN A FRIEND'S DRIVEWAY TO SPEND THE NIGHT HOPING THEY DON'T GET DISRUPTED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
AND THEN EVERY MORNING THEY PREPARE FOR ANOTHER DAY OF SERVING THE PUBLIC US IN THEIR JOBS.
THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM IS FOR THEM.
IT'S FOR OUR BUSINESSES, AND IT'S FOR US AS A COMMUNITY.
OUR VISION OF SAFE PLACE TO PARK IS AMONG OTHER THINGS, A CLEAN SPACE WHERE PEOPLE RESPECT CIVILIZED NORMS AND ARE GOVERNED BY STANDARDS SET BY LAW.
WE'RE NOT DENYING HELP TO THOSE IN NEED.
WE ARE PROVIDING AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE IN ORDER TO RESPECT ALL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, EVEN THOSE WHO LIVE IN THEIR VEHICLES.
SO WHILE THE CITY IS GOING THROUGH ITS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS PROPOSING THE USE OF A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM.
UH, THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM.
AS MENTIONED, IT'S A TEMPORARY STRATEGY FOR PROVIDING AN SAFE PARKING AREA FOR INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WHO WORK OR ATTEND SCHOOL IN SEDONA, YET ARE EXPERIENCING VEHICULAR HOMELESSNESS.
THE PROGRAM AIMS TO OFFER A SECURE SPACE, BASIC AMENITIES AND CONNECTIONS TO HOUSING AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.
SO THE COMPONENTS INCLUDE, UM, A DESIGNATED SAFE PARKING AREA FOR THOSE LIVING IN THEIR CARS, SHOWER TRAILERS AND PORTABLE RESTROOMS, WHICH ARE ALSO A DA COMPLIANT, UH, WASTE AND RECYCLING RECEPTACLES WAY FINDING SIGNS AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING, SOLAR LIGHTING FEATURES.
UM, SITE MANAGEMENT WILL BE, UH, PROVIDED BY THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION, WHO HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO WORK WITH DIVERSE POPULATIONS IN NEED.
THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION WILL ACT AS A SERVICE HUB TO CONNECT PARTICIPANTS TO SERVICES, AND THEY WILL PROVIDE REGULAR REPORTING TO THE CITY OF SEDONA AND TO THE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS HMIS.
THIS WILL ENABLE EFFECTIVE MONITORING AND EVALUATION OF PROGRAM SUCCESS.
TO ASSESS THE IMPACT OF THE PROGRAM, WE WILL PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND OUTCOMES WILL BE ESTABLISHED.
METRICS WILL INCLUDE THINGS LIKE NUMBER OF HOME, UH, NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS SERVED SUCCESSFUL TRANSITIONS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, EMPLOYMENT RATES WILL BE TRACKED, CONNECTIONS TO SERVICES, UH, THE NUMBERS OF AND THE REASONS WHY PEOPLE ARE TURNED AWAY, UH, NUMBER OF INCIDENTS, ET CETERA.
THERE WILL BE ALSO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS, UH, WHICH INVOLVES A LIST, WHICH I'LL QUICKLY BULLET POINT DOWN.
UH, THE, THE PARTICIPANTS MUST SHOW PROOF PROOF OF SEDONA EMPLOYMENT.
IDEALLY, A PAY STATEMENT DATED WITHIN THE LAST MONTH.
UH, ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF VERIFICATION ARE OUTLINED FOR THE SITE MANAGER.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE SELF-EMPLOYED.
FAIR HOUSING LAWS DO MANDATE THAT WE CANNOT DISCRIMINATE ON THE BASIS OF AGE OR DISABILITY.
AND SO THOSE WHO CANNOT WORK BECAUSE THEY ARE RETIRED OR DISABLED, NEED TO DEMONSTRATE A VERIFIABLE CONNECTION TO SEDONA.
FAMILIES WITH STUDENTS ENROLLED IN A LOCAL K THROUGH 12 SCHOOL ARE ALSO ELIGIBLE.
UH, AND THEN CODE OF CONDUCT WAIVER OUTLINING PARTICIPANT EXPECTATIONS AND GUIDELINES MUST BE REVIEWED AND SIGNED BY THE PARTICIPANT.
SO, UM, WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY, UM, CONSULTING WITH THE POLICE, THE FIRE FOREST SERVICE, AND PUBLIC WORKS.
SO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ALL OF THOSE GROUPS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THIS PLAN.
UH, THERE WILL BE MANAGED ACCESS TO THE SITE.
PARKING SPACES WILL DEFINE SEMI-PRIVATE SPACE.
BATHROOMS WILL HAVE LOCKS, UM, AND WILL BE LOCKED DURING THE HOURS OF CLOSURE.
UM, THERE WILL BE LOCKING GATES AT, FROM THE OUTSIDE.
THERE WILL BE LOCKED FROM THE OUTSIDE DURING, UH, CLOSURE.
UM, THERE WILL BE LOCKING GATES AT BOTH EXIT POINTS.
UH, POLICE, FIRE EMERGENCY AND CITY STAFF WILL HAVE ACCESS KEYS TO THESE EXIT POINTS.
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PLAN WILL BE DISSEMINATED TO PARTICIPANTS AND THE CITY WILL PROVIDE WAY FINDING SIGNAGE AT, UM, TO THE EXIT POINTS.UM, IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW HOW TO EXIT PUBLIC WORKS WILL REMOVE ONSITE GRAFFITI ON THE STRUCTURES THERE, AND THEY WILL MAKE THE SPACE ATTRACTIVE TO ENCOURAGE PARTICIPANTS TO TAKE CARE OF THE SITE.
EVERYONE IS KIND OF PARKED CLOSE TOGETHER, WHICH WILL PROVIDE NATURAL SURVEILLANCE AND A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE WILL LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER.
A POTABLE WATER CONNECTION WILL BE ON SITE FOR PARTICIPANT USE AND FOR USE IN THE SHOWER FACILITY.
THE A DA AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT REQUIREMENTS WILL BE FOLLOWED IN REGARDS TO THE SHOWER AND RESTROOM FACILITIES AND THE HANDICAPPED PARKING AREAS TO ENSURE A DA COMPLIANCE CELL PHONE ACCESS CAN BE IMPROVED IF NEEDED BY PROVIDING A PORTABLE SIGNAL BOOSTER IF WE FIND THAT THAT'S, UM, NECESSARY.
AND THEN IN CASES OF EXTREME WEATHER, THESE CITIES, UM, EXTREME WEATHER FUNDING CAN PROVIDE OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS TO A LOCAL HOTEL IF NECESSARY.
UM, SO THESE ARE A FEW OF SAMPLES OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM, UM, PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED IN USING THIS PROGRAM.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF, I WON'T READ THROUGH THEM, BUT YOU CAN TAKE A MINUTE TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE VOICES OF THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE PARTICIPATING IN THE PLAN IF IT DOES GET APPROVED.
JEANNIE, CAN YOU STAY ON THAT PAGE JUST SO WE CAN FINISH? OKAY.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF JEANIE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO SHANNON OR ANYTHING IN HER PRESENTATION? NO, I HAVE MORE OF A COMMENT OR A QUESTION.
THANK YOU, JEANIE, FOR EXPLAINING THE PROGRAM MORE, UM, WHICH I FIND VERY INTERESTING.
PERSONALLY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A LEGAL QUESTION OR NOT, UM, BUT THE ROLE OF PLANNING AND ZONING HERE TONIGHT IS NOT TO QUESTION THE WISDOM OF THE PROGRAM, THE NEED FOR THE PROGRAM, THE ASPECTS OF THE CRITERIA FOR THE PROGRAM.
IT IS TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LOCATION FOR THE PROGRAM, AND THEREFORE YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE PROGRAM, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
BROADLY SPEAKING, OR, WELL, THAT'S MY CLARIFICATION QUESTION.
UH, SO, SO, UH, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, I WOULDN'T DEFINE IT QUITE SO NEARLY THAT YOU ONLY GONNA LOOK AT THAT.
UM, IN ORDER TO APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A ZONE CHANGE, YOU GO THROUGH THE 14 CRITERIA, UH, LISTED IN THE LDC.
AND THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, UH, MINIMIZES IMPACT ON SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND SO IT'S NOT THAT NARROW, BUT, UM, JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE WE WOULDN'T HAVE P AND Z DECIDE WHETHER IT WAS A, UH, A GOOD SUPERMARKET OR NOT, OR THE RIGHT TYPE OF, UM, HOTEL, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO AS, UM, INTO THAT TYPE OF DETAIL EITHER.
SO IT'S, IT'S A BALANCING TEST, BUT THE, THE, THE APPROVAL CRITERIA ARE THE FOUR LISTED IN, IN THE STAFF OR THE 14 LIFTED, LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE BASIS IS OF.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GO BACK TO ME FOR LIKE ONE SLIDE.
UM, SO THE, THERE HAS BEEN AN A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS.
UM, THE REQUIRED 300 FOOT RADIUS, WHICH IS THE STANDARD FOR ALL PROJECTS IN THE CITY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY AS I WAS POINTING OUT, IT'S A QUARTER MILE FROM THE EDGE OF THIS PROPERTY TO THE EDGE OF THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY.
SO THAT 300 FOOT RADIUS ONLY INCLUDED THE CITY AND FOREST SERVICE LAND.
SO, UM, JEANNIE AND SHANNON DID DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH ON THE PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHERE THEY GOT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, QUOTES THAT YOU SAW AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AND THAT ARE, UM, ALL OF THEIR OUTREACH WAS DETAILED IN THE APPLICATION PACKET.
UM, THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND WE DID ALL OF THE LEGAL NOTICING
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AS FAR AS POSTING ON THE PROPERTY AND PUBLISHING IN THE PAPER.UM, ALL COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, I BE, WELL PROBABLY AS OF ABOUT FOUR O'CLOCK TODAY, FOUR O'CLOCK HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU UP UNTIL NOON TODAY.
WE DID UPDATE THE MEETING MATERIALS PAGE FOR, UM, THIS MEETING AND THEN FROM NOON ON, THOSE WERE PROVIDED TO YOU, UM, AND PAPER COPIES PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
BUT SHANNON ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE PUBLIC INPUT AND THE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS OR TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, IMPACTS.
SO MOST OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS CONCERNED WITH IMPACTS TO NEARBY RESIDENTS, IMPACTS TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND FISCAL IMPACTS.
UM, AS CARRIE MENTIONED, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES PUBLIC OUTREACH TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROJECT SITE.
AND THERE, THERE WEREN'T ANY OTHER THAN US AND THE FOREST SERVICE, BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON DEVELOPING THIS PROGRAM FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
AND WE HAD SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK TO, UM, DIFFERENT GROUPS, UM, AND GET SOME FEEDBACK AS WE DESIGNED THE PROGRAM AND CREATED THE RULES AROUND THE PROGRAM.
UM, A LOT OF THE CONCERN WAS AROUND, UM, INCREASED CRIME, UM, FOR NEARBY RESIDENTS AND, UM, DEVALUATION OF PROPERTIES.
AND WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANY EVIDENCE THAT EITHER OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE A CONCERN.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IF YOU EXCUSE ME, WE NEED TO KEEP THE QUORUM IN DURING THE MEETING.
AS YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WENT TO THE SITE VISIT THIS MORNING, YOU CAN'T SEE ANOTHER HOME FROM THE SITE.
UM, IT'S ALSO NOT VISIBLE FROM 89 A OR ANY MAJOR ROADWAYS OTHER THAN CULTURAL PARKWAY THAT GOES INTO THE SITE.
UM, THIS PROJECT WILL NOT PRODUCE ANY NOISE COMPARED TO THE FORMER APPROVED USE.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT ALLOWING OUR LOCAL WORKERS, UM, AS JEANIE MENTIONED, THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY EVERY DAY, UM, TO SLEEP IN THEIR VEHICLES AT THE CULTURAL PARK WOULD RESULT IN INCREASED CRIME OR CREATE ANY DANGER FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS.
UM, THE PROGRAM WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED ON THIS SITE, BUT FOR ITS ABILITY TO HOST THIS PROGRAM WITH MINIMAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS, UH, MANY COMMENTS SUGGESTED THAT OTHER PROGRAMS SUCH AS THESE HAVE RESULTED IN SUCH NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
BUT IN TRUTH, THE, THE PROGRAMS THAT THIS IS BEING COMPARED TO ARE EITHER ENCAMPMENTS, WHICH OCCURRED NATURALLY WITHOUT REGULATION OR SITE MANAGEMENT, OR THEY ARE PROGRAMS WHERE PARKERS WERE ALLOWED TO ESTABLISH RESIDENTS AND WERE NOT REQUIRED TO LEAVE DAILY.
UM, NOR WERE MOST OF THESE PROGRAMS RESTRICTED TO LOCAL WORKERS.
UM, IN REGARDS TO CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO THE ENVIRONMENT, UM, THIS PROGRAM WILL MAKE USE OF AN AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS A PARKING AREA FOR THE AMPHITHEATER.
UM, WHILE THE SITE WILL NEED TO BE CLEANED UP, THE PROGRAM IS BUILT INTO THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE AND NO SIGNIFICANT GRADING OR REMOVAL OF EXISTING VE VEGETATION OTHER THAN MAYBE SOME LOW WEEDS IS NEEDED.
UM, MANY OF THE ANTICIPATED PARTICIPANTS OF THE PROGRAM ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLES IN THE NATIONAL FOREST OR AROUND TOWN, UM, WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO AMENITIES PROPOSED BY THIS PROGRAM AND INCLUDING RESTROOMS, DUMPSTERS, SHOWER FACILITIES, AND COOKING FACILITIES.
SO THIS PROGRAM WILL ALSO REDUCE THE IMPACT ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT WOULD BE RECURRING WOULD BE OCCURRING IF THE PROGRAM DIDN'T EXIST.
UM, THIS PROGRAM IS SUPPORTED BY THE FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER AND COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION AND MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLANS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE FULL CULTURAL PARK IS LIKELY TO BE REDEVELOPED ONCE WE COMPLETE THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
UM, SO THIS TEMPORARY USE IS ACTUALLY FAR LESS INVASIVE THAN THE LONG-TERM ANTICIPATED USES.
UM, SOME OF THE SITE COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE USING ARE ALSO ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, SO, UM, THE LIGHTING ON THE SITE WILL ALL BE SOLAR LIGHTING.
UM, WE HAVE INCORPORATED A SUSTAINABLE GRAY WATER SYSTEM AND ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER, UM, TO DESIGN THAT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE, UM, BRYCE, OUR SUSTAINABILITY DIRECTOR IS HERE
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IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE USE OF THE GENERATOR ON THE SITE.
WE KNOW THAT ISN'T IDEAL, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T PRES PRESENT, UM, UH, AN ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, DANGER.
UM, IDEALLY WE WOULD HAVE ELECTRICAL THERE, BUT WHEN WE TALKED TO A PS ABOUT IT, THEY SAID IT WOULD TAKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO GET THINGS HOOKED UP AND THEY SUSPECTED THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THE ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL PANEL THAT WE NEED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, IT SEEMS TO BE A COMMON THING DELAYING PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW OF SOME HOUSING PROJECTS THAT WERE HELD UP FOR MONTHS WAITING FOR AN ELECTRICAL PANEL.
SO, UM, AND THEN FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THE FISCAL IMPACTS.
SO THERE IS NO ADVERSE FISCAL IMPACT ON THE CITY.
UM, $400,000 FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S BUDGET FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT APPLIED FOR AND WAS AWARDED $870,000 IN GRANT MONEY FROM THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING TO SUPPORT TWO YEARS OF OPERATIONS OF THE SITE.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE ACTUAL COST TO US, UM, THAT EXCEED THE GRANT WOULD ONLY BE ABOUT 150,000.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE IN THE BUDGET THAN WE ANTICIPATE NEEDING FOR THE PROGRAM.
UM, THOSE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE IMPACTS THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, QUESTIONS, UH, FROM STAFF, CAN WE CIRCLE, I WANNA CIRCLE BACK TO CHARLOTTE'S QUESTION, KURT.
UM, CAN YOU MOVE THE MIC OVER? THAT QUESTION CONFUSED ME A LITTLE BIT.
IT SEEMS IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE HAD A PRIVATE DEVELOPER COMING IN FRONT OF US FOR A ZONE CHANGE, WE WOULD WANNA KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT.
SO I FEEL LIKE TRANSPARENCY IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS TO WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS PROPOSING.
SO, SO CHAIRMAN COMMISSION, LIKE I SAID, AND MAYBE I DIDN'T DESCRIBE IT WELL ENOUGH, BUT IF, IF YOU HAD A REST, A PROPOSED RESTAURANT, YOU WOULDN'T ASK THE MENU, UM, AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SERVE ON, OR IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A, A GROCERY STORE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SELL.
WHAT, AND WHETHER IT'S ORGANIC MILK OR REGULAR, SO NOT THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, UH, INTO THE PROGRAM, BUT THE GENERAL EFFECT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND ANY OF THE, THE REQUIRED FINDINGS IN ORDER TO APPROVE A REZONE OR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONE, THOSE ARE ALL, ALL FAIR GAME.
SO I'LL JUST, UM, FINISH UP OUR PRESENTATION REALLY, HOPEFULLY, UM, EXPEDITIOUSLY.
UM, SO AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU KNOW, SAYING SIMILAR TO OTHER ZONE CHANGES THAT YOU'VE SEEN, WE ARE LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY PLAN AND CFA PLAN COMPLIANCE AND THAT THOSE ARE OUTLINED, BUT KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS WERE THAT THIS ADDRESSES, UM, HOUSING DIVERSITY AND NON-TRADITIONAL HOUSING, UM, STATEMENTS IN THE COMMUNITY PLANS, CFA PLANS, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, UM, PROVIDING, AS SHANNON AND JEANNIE MENTIONED, PROVIDING AMENITIES HERE THAT, UM, PEOPLE CURRENTLY LIVING IN THEIR CARS IN THE FOREST DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES AS FAR AS THEM BEING ABLE TO HOPEFULLY KEEP WORKFORCE.
UM, AND THEN I DID JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE MASTER PLANNING OF THE CULTURAL PARK.
UM, SO ONE OF THE STATEMENTS IN THE CFA PLAN RELATED TO THIS AREA IS THAT THE ENTIRE 40 ACRES SHOULD BE MASTER PLANNED, AND THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OUR INTENTION.
UM, AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THAT IS THE NEXT THING ON OUR LIST.
I BELIEVE STEVE HAS AN RFP READY TO GO, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS AND THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
IT WOULD NOT BE SECTIONED OFF AND STAY THIS, UM, FOREVER.
THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT EV THE WHOLE 40 ACRES WOULD BE MASTER PLAN, AND THIS WOULD BE A TEMPORARY USE ON THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY WHILE THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS IS GOING ON.
SO, UM, THIS DOES NOT REMOVE THE PROPERTY FROM THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, IT WILL BE INCLUDED.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER ADOPTED PLANS, UM, SUCH AS THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THE GO SEDONA PLAN, AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IN THE EVALUATION OF THIS PROJECT.
SO AS KURT MENTIONED, THE FI UM, THE FINDINGS FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS ARE OUTLINED IN 8.3 E FIVE AND STAFF'S.
UM, EVALUATION OF EACH ONE OF THOSE IS DETAILED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE, UM, ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE.
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RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE, OR RECOMMENDING THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO PLANNING TO CITY COUNCIL ON THIS APPLICATION.AND SO WE'RE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
I HAVE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? ALTHOUGH I'M SCARED NOW THAT I'M GONNA BE REALLY LOUD.
UM, CARRIE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS IS A TEMPORARY PROGRAM, BUT WE'RE THEY'RE SEEKING A ZONE CHANGE.
WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? SO, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ARE NOT TEMPORARY USE PERMIT.
WELL, SO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST GIVE TO ANY PROPERTY.
YOU HAS TO BE, UM, LISTED IN THE LIST OF, OF PERMITTED, CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USES ON A PROPERTY.
SO BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY DID NOT INCLUDE AN ALLOWANCE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS USE, WE CANNOT APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS USE.
UM, AND SO TO DO THIS, WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO DO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, YOU'D ACTUALLY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ZONE CHANGE TO ADD THIS PROGRAM AS A CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE AND THEN COME BACK AND GET THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR IT.
SO IT'D ACTUALLY ADD A STEP TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S, WE, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS AN EXTRA STEP THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO, IF WE COULD JUST ADD IT AS A PERMITTED USE WILL.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, COLLEAGUE? SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, ONE IS SMOKING, IT SAYS NO SMOKING.
UM, AND YET IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN SMOKE IN YOUR CAR AND IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN IN THE CAR AND THE PARENT IS SMOKING, UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM FOR ME MENTALLY.
UM, AND FOR THE CHILDREN PHYSICALLY, I THINK SO, UH, I, UH, I WOULD WOULD'VE PREFERRED THAT YOU SAY SMOKING IS JUST BANNED.
UM, SO MAYBE SOMEONE COULD TELL ME WHY THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, SO MAYBE, UM, WE CAN ANSWER 'EM AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, IF A CHILD IS IN SCHOOL AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO PARK THERE, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SUMMER WHEN THE CHILD IS NOT IN SCHOOL WITH THAT FAMILY? UH, MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT.
THERE ARE TWO RV PARKING SPOTS, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, LISTED ON THERE.
AND I WAS CURIOUS AS TO THIS MAXIMUM SIZE OF THE RV THAT'S GONNA BE ALLOWED IN THERE.
UM, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A MA A MAXIMUM SIZE.
UM, AND I, SORRY, I CAN'T GET OVER THE, UM, DIESEL GENERATOR.
UM, I, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WOULD'VE SAID IT'S OKAY TO RUN A DIESEL GENERATOR FOR 16 HOURS A DAY.
MAYBE IT ISN'T, AND IT'S NO PROBLEM AND IT'S NO IMPACT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE AN IMPACT TO ME.
UM, AND IF A PS IS IS SLOW, CAN'T YOU JUST RENT SOMETHING TEMPORARY UNTIL A PS GETS THEIR THING DONE? SO, UH, MAYBE SOMEONE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
UM, YOU'VE ANSWERED SOME OF MY QUESTIONS, SO I'M NOT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE ALLOWING PETS.
UM, I MEAN, THAT WOULD REALLY BE NICE AND PEOPLE LOVE THEIR ANIMALS AND ALL THAT.
THIS IS JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE PLACE WHERE WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT.
SO MAYBE, UM, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE ALLOWING PETS.
UM, THERE, THERE'S SOME RULES.
I, I KNOW YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT GRAY WATER AND, UH, THAT THERE IS A PLAN, BUT THERE'S, I THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE LAW ABOUT, ABOUT KITCHEN WATER, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT DIFFERENTIATES, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NORMALLY CONSIDERED GRAY WATER, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, WE WOULD BE COMPLYING WITH THE, THE KITCHEN WATER AND WHAT YOU DO WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU DO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, I ASSUME THERE'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF A SINK OR SOMETHING THERE WHERE THE FOOD PREP IS AT.
SO, UM, MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT.
UM, AND THEN JUST THE LAST ONE, I THINK THERE'S A LEGAL QUESTION MORE THAN, TO ME IT'S A LEGAL QUESTION.
UM, THIS IS DESIGNATED LIKE SEDONAS SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
AND WHEN YOU CALL IT A SAFE PLACE TO PARK, DOES THAT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE PERSON THAT'S PARKING
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THERE WOULD HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE SAFE.UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GIVES MORE LIABILITY TO THE CITY BECAUSE WE CALL IT A SAFE PLACE AS OPPOSED TO A LEGAL PLACE.
I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.
YOU FINISHED COMMISSIONER HURST? THAT'S ALL.
OKAY, I'LL, I'LL ANSWER THE FIRST ONE.
UM, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE IT PROVIDES ANY ADDITIONAL LIABILITY.
UM, AND IT IS, IT IS, WE'LL HAVE AN ONSITE, UH, HOST AND IT WILL BE FENCED OFF.
SO I BELIEVE IT IS SAFER AT LEAST THAN PARKING IN ON RANDOM STREETS OR OUT IN THE NATIONAL FORCE WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE AROUND.
UM, AS FAR AS A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS, IF I WERE CALLING BALLS AND STRIKES, AND IT'S REALLY UP TO, UH, CHAIR 11, UM, UH, I THINK THE SMOKING, THE SCHOOL ISSUE AND THE PETS ARE PROBABLY GETTING INTO THE, THE WEEDS ON THIS.
WE WOULDN'T ASK A A, A GROCERY STORE WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW SMOKING IN, UH, SOME SECTION OF IT OR A HOTEL, WHICH ROOMS ARE GONNA BE SMOKING AND NOT.
ARE YOU GONNA ALLOW PETS IN OR NOT? UM, UH, ARE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE, THE KIDS ARE GOING TO SCHOOL AT THE, AT THE HOTEL.
I MEAN, THOSE SEEM LIKE THAT'S GETTING, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE, UH, VICE CHAIR HOI, UH, ORIGINAL QUESTION.
WHAT, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE NOT HERE, UH, BUT THE DIESEL GENERATOR, GRAY WATER, SOME OF THE OTHER ONES SEEM PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE AND SO I'LL LET STAFF ADDRESS THOSE.
AND IF WE COULD HAVE, UM, MAYBE KURT OR BRYCE, IF EITHER OF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE, UM, THE DIESEL GENERATOR AND THE GRAY WATER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I'M THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER.
UM, I HELP WRITE THE GRAY WATER RULES, SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THERE'S, UH, KITCHEN SINK WASTEWATER IS CONSIDERED BLACKWATER.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S BLACK, IT'S BECAUSE THE POTENTIAL PATHOGENS OF PEOPLE USING RAW CHICKEN OR TURKEY IN THAT REGARD.
SO THAT WAS A LITTLE CAVEAT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
IT'S SHOWERS, IT'S NOT A FOOD PREPARATION KITCHEN PREP, SO THAT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY FOR THE PERMIT THAT WE'RE APPLYING TO.
UM, IF PEOPLE ARE USING THAT, IF THEY'RE NOT CUTTING UP CHICKEN, THEN IT'S REALLY NOT A BIG ISSUE.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S DIRECT DISCHARGE, SO IT'LL BE GOING TO TREE WELLS IN SERIES, SO IT WON'T BE ANY, UM, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT'LL BE USED AFTER DARK.
SO BY THE TIME MORNING COMES AROUND FOR MORNING SHOWERS, THERE WON'T BE ANY STANDING WATER.
AND ACTUALLY THE WAY WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DESIGN IT IS THAT IT'LL GO THROUGH TREE TO TREE.
SO, AND THE TREES WILL BE PRUNED AND MANAGED IN THE WAY THAT THE TREES ARE GONNA LOVE IT AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY GROW FAR MORE.
SO WE'LL ACTUALLY LOOKING AT TRIMMING THEM MORE.
AND THEN THE ELECTRICAL GENERATOR WAS, IS BECAUSE, UH, THE POWER REC CRITERIA TO GET A PS TO BRING POWER ALL THE WAY OUT THERE WAS COST PROHIBITIVE.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, GENERATOR AS A TRANSITION POINT TO GET TO THE, JUST RUN THE LIGHTS IN THE SHOWERS.
AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH, WE LOOKED AT, UH, SOLAR BATTERY SYSTEMS AND SO ON.
BUT IF YOU PENCIL OUT THE COST FOR A TWO YEAR LENGTH, IT DIDN'T PENCIL OUT IN A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.
UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
UH, MY NAME'S, UH, BRYCE BECK, THE SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER HERE WITH THE, THE CITY.
UH, AND SO SPEAKING OF THE SAME, UH, TWO POINTS THERE, UM, FOR THE GRAY WATER SYSTEMS, UH, IN GENERAL THERE'S A SECTION WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE WATER ON A LOCATION, YOU'RE WANTING TO GET THE MOST USES OUT OF THAT WATER TO MAKE IT VIABLE, UM, AND CONSTANTLY BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT RESOURCE INSTEAD OF JUST A ONE AND DONE KIND OF SCENARIO.
UH, SO UTILIZING, UH, GRAY WATER SYSTEM ON THE SITE WOULD BE IDEAL, UH, COMPONENT TO IT.
UM, AND IT ALSO, UH, IF THAT GRAY WATER SYSTEM ULTIMATELY ENDED UP IN SAY, A BLACKWATER TANK, THAT WOULD INCREASE YOUR HAUL COSTS, UH, FOR, UH, THE SERVICES AT THAT SITE, WHICH WOULD ALSO INCREASE THE ASSOCIATED EMISSIONS THAT ARE AS, WOULD BE, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE HAULING OF THAT, UH, MATERIAL.
UM, AND SO THOSE COMPONENTS ALL KIND OF PLAY A ROLE AND AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW INTO THE PICTURE OF DOES IT ALIGN WITH CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, DOES IT ALIGN WITH THESE GOALS? UH, THAT COMPONENT OF BEING ABLE TO REUSE THAT WATER AND EFFECTIVELY GET AN EXTRA LIFE OUT OF IT AND PROVIDE RESOURCES FOR THE VEGETATION IN THE AREA IS AN IDEAL SOURCE.
AND BEING ABLE TO USE THAT WATER, UH, SPEAKING TO THE, UH, GENERATION, UH, THE DIESEL GENERATOR
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COMPONENT, WHILE THAT DIESEL GENERATOR DOES HAVE OBVIOUSLY AN EMISSION SOURCE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, YOU'RE ALSO GETTING UP TO 40 VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT HAVING TO DRIVE ALL OVER TOWN TO FIND EXTRA PLACES TO PARK ON A DAILY BASIS.AND THAT COMPONENT THEMSELVES IS BEING KIND OF OFFSET BY THE EMISSIONS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DIESEL COMPONENT.
AND THAT'S FACTORED INTO OUR ACCOUNTING MECHANISMS FOR CARBON ACCOUNTING, UM, FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES ON IT.
AND SO IT'S THE SAME THING WE LOOK AT WHEN WE LOOK AT TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE LOCATIONS IS WE HAVE THE SHUTTLES THEMSELVES ARE DIESEL GENERATOR OR, UH, EMISSIONS GENERATORS, BUT HOW MUCH IS THAT KIND OF AVOIDING OR OFFSETTING FROM FOLKS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THAT SHUTTLE SERVICE? THE SAME KIND OF COMPONENT IS HERE.
YOU DO HAVE AN EMISSION SOURCE, BUT THEN THERE ARE OFFSETS THAT ARE HAPPENING FROM PEOPLE NOT HAVING TO TRAVEL ALL OVER THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO, UM, GET TO PLACES THAT THEY CAN GO TO AND WHATNOT AND REDUCE THAT EMISSION SOURCE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN HAS A STRONG, UH, COMPONENT OF IMPROVING EQUITY INTO, UM, THE ASPECTS OF INITIATIVES AND PROGRAMS. UH, AND SO THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IDENTIFIES THAT THERE'S A NECESSITY OF BUILDING EQUITY AMONG ALL RESIDENTS OF SEDONA AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IF THEY'RE TO RECOGNIZE CLIMATE GOALS IN LIFE AND IN SUSTAINED LIFE IN THE REGION.
AND SO THIS COMPONENT OF BEING ABLE TO BUILD EQUITY, UH, INTO THIS INITIATIVE IS ALSO CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UH, COMPLIANT.
I'D LIKE TO FURTHER ADD, UM, I WORKED FOR ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND APPROVED BUNCH OF CAMPS, SCHOOLS THAT HAD FAILED WASTEWATER SYSTEMS. WE USE GRAY WATER FOR THESE CAMPS AND SCHOOLS AND INCORPORATED LANDSCAPING.
THERE ISN'T A BIG NUISANCE ISSUE AND IT ACTUALLY SAVED, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THESE CAMPS, TENS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT HUNDRED THOUSANDS OF MONEY, OF SAVING THEIR ONSITE SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THEIR, UH, BLACKWATER WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, MY ONLY QUESTION, I WASN'T QUESTIONING THE GRAY WATER ITSELF.
I WAS QUESTIONING THE KITCHEN WATER.
IF THERE ISN'T ANY KITCHEN WATER, THEN THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.
BRYCE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO YOUR PLAN IS TO CAPTURE THE GRAY WATER AND USE SOME SORT OF LIKE GRAVITY DRIP IRRIGATION SYSTEM OR SOMETHING TO REUSE IT FOR LANDSCAPING PURPOSES? THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT FOR THAT REUSE OF THAT WATER.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY CONCENTRATED SOURCE WITH THOSE SHOWERS.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME P PRETTY PEAK FLOWS THERE.
SO, UH, YEAH, THE, THERE GENERALLY WE HAVE A TANK SYSTEM THAT WOULD THEN CAPTURE AND HOLD SOME OF THAT AND THEN BE ABLE TO DISPERSE IT THROUGH THAT IRRIGATION LINE.
UM, YOU HAVE GENERALLY THOSE SYSTEMS, UH, CAN ALSO HAVE A FILTER THAT IS BEFORE IT ENDS UP GETTING DISTRIBUTED.
UH, THE SOILS ITSELF ACTS AS A BIT OF A FILTER.
THE PLANTS THEMSELVES, UH, CAN ACT AS A BIT OF A FILTER.
AND SO YOU'RE PREVENTING ALL OF THAT FROM BEING ABLE TO GET FURTHER INTO A WATERSHED, GETTING INTO, UH, A, A MORE EPHEMERAL TRIBUTARY OR THE LIKE THERE.
SO IT'S AN EFFECTIVE SOURCE OF, UH, BEING ABLE TO RECYCLE THAT WATER.
I WONDER IF SOMEONE COULD ADJUST THE TEMPERATURE IN THIS ROOM DOWNWARD
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF? JOE, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE BLACK WATER.
ARE WE SAYING THERE'S NO SINKS? I THOUGHT THERE WAS A COMMUNITY COOKING AREA.
THERE WILL BE A SOURCE OF, PUT THE MIC UP.
THERE WILL BE A SOURCE OF POTABLE WATER.
BUT, BUT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW TO ELIMINATE THE BLACK WATER AND ARE WE COLLECTING IT AND HAULING IT OUT? I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHAT'S HAPPENING.
IF I DO BUY A CHICKEN BREAST AND I WANNA COOK IT, HOW, SO THAT WATER WOULD HAVE TO BE DUMPED IN THE PORTLET IF IT WAS USED FOR COOKING, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING A BOTTLE FILLING STATION LIKELY, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES FOR DRINKING WATER.
WE'RE NOT PROVIDING A SINK FOR PREPARING FOOD.
THE, THE FOOD PREPARATION AREA IS MORE ABOUT CONTAINING FIRE SOURCES.
SO IT'S JUST, YOU CAN ONLY TAKE YOUR STOVE THERE TO, TO PREPARE FOOD.
CAN YOU JUST MAYBE JUST, JUST LIKE EXPLAIN YOUR VISION A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY? LIKE IF I, WHEN I WALK INTO THE COOKING AREA, WHAT TOOLS DO I NEED AND WHAT HAVE YOU PROVIDED WE ARE NOT PROVIDING ANY TOOLS FOR COOKING.
SO NO TABLES CAN BE USED? NO, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
LIKE WHAT'S, IF I WALK IN AND WHAT IS BEING PROVIDED? TABLES PERHAPS A TABLE.
WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T FULLY FLESHED OUT WHAT THAT AREA LOOKS LIKE, BUT NOT UTENSILS OR FOOD OR, UM, SINKS OR ANY, ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
UM, MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD ENCOUNTER IF YOU, UM, WENT TO A PARK.
ANYONE ELSE? SO IS THIS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS OR BRING THE MIC OVER? DO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND THEN BRING
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THE MIC OVER.OH, I, I SAID IS THIS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS NOW OR ARE WE GONNA DO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND THEN THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO ASK STAFF GOT IT.
ANY QUESTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE NOW? GOT IT.
AND IF THERE ARE NO MORE, I'M GOING, OH, I HAVE A LOT.
BUT KURT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOP ME IF IT'S IN THE WEEDS AND YOU QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, I ALSO DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS AND I'M SURE PROBABLY ONE OF THE STUDIES YOU READ IS BY USC.
DID YOU READ THAT REPORT FROM 2021? SO I DUG INTO THAT A HUNDRED PAGE REPORT AND I THINK WHAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS THERE WERE TWO REALLY IMPORTANT FACTORS IN MAKING THESE PROGRAMS SUCCESSFUL.
NOT ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE IN NEED BUT ALSO TO GET COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
AND UM, ONE OF THEM WAS REALLY DEFINING WHAT THE FOCUS OF THIS IS, IS THE FOCUS THAT THIS IS REALLY TEMPORARY AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THE BRIDGE TO REHOUSE PEOPLE AS RAPIDLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF A FLY BY OUR PANTS, TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT AS IT AS IT GOES.
ITS STRUCTURE WAS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT IN ALL OF THESE CASE STUDIES THAT I READ.
UM, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THE BUY-IN HAS TO COME FROM THE BEGINNING UNTIL THE END.
SO YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR AN APPLICANT? IS THERE GOING TO BE AN APPLICATION WHERE WE UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS AND THEN THEIR INTENTIONS? YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE PREFER TO BE VAN LIFE PEOPLE AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY NOT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT IN THIS SITUATION.
UM, SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.
THERE WAS AN INTERVIEW PROCESS, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, PROOF OF EMPLOYMENT, BUT NOT JUST SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN HERE TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR HOW LONG SOMEBODY'S BEEN EMPLOYED IN THE AREA, THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS.
SO THAT IT'S SOMEBODY WE'RE PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLE THAT REALLY ARE ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMING IN AND COMING OUT.
UM, BACKGROUND CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, CREATING A BAD SITUATION.
UM, UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T WORK AND HEARING IT DIRECTLY FROM THE SOURCE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON SITE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT WAS WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, WHICH WERE METRICS.
SO WHAT'S THE ACTION PLAN TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING EFFECTIVE, IF WE ARE, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED IT.
LIKE MY SON WAS IN CHARTER SCHOOL LAST YEAR AND THERE WAS A TEACHER LIVING IN HER CAR.
SO, UM, AND I FEEL LIKE AS A CITY PROGRAM WE HAVE THE, UM, WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD? UM, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE HIGH STANDARDS FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SETTING THE PROGRAM.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND I FEEL LIKE IF THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE HELPING PEOPLE THAT REALLY ARE ENGAGED IN THIS COM COMMUNITY AND SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY, THAT IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, A PANHANDLER OR SOMEBODY ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TRY AND COME TOGETHER AND CREATE SOMETHING.
BUT I THINK STRUCTURE'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND BENCHMARKS AND FINDING METRICS.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE THE STAFF FOR THAT OR IF YOU GUYS HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IS IT A LOTTERY? IS IT FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE OR ARE YOU GUYS GONNA REALLY HAVE A THOROUGH VETTING PROCESS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUT? SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED FROM THE SUCCESSFUL ONES.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF PAGES HERE.
UH, SO THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO BE MANAGING THIS, THAT'S GONNA BE PROVIDED BY VERDE VALLEY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TRAINING? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS? YOU KNOW, I HAVE QUESTIONS ALONG THAT PROCESS AND ARE, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATION WITH THEM.
IS THIS LIKE, HOW ARE WE REALLY, WHAT ARE THE SERVICES WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING? ARE WE REALLY PROACTIVELY CHECKING IN WITH THESE PEOPLE AND REALLY ACTIVELY ASSISTING THEM IN ORDER TO REHOUSE? THAT WAS ANOTHER THING I READ IN THIS REPORT THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE CASE STUDIES WERE ACTIVELY TRYING TO REHOUSE BETWEEN 30 TO 50 CENT 50% OF PEOPLE WITHIN 30 DAYS, WHICH I KNOW IS PROBABLY VERY UNREALISTIC FOR OUR AREA, BUT IT WAS A VERY ACTIVE COLLABORATIVE, NOT JUST LIKE SOMEBODY GETS IN AND THEN IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, AS FAR AS LEGAL, I HAD QUESTIONS AROUND IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS A TEMPORARY SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT HAD SOME VERY GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW HARD IS IT REALLY GOING TO BE TO TRANSITION TO ANOTHER PLACE? UM, OR BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY AS A PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO CREATE THIS AS A PERMANENT SITUATION.
AND IF IT'S ONLY TWO YEARS OUT, WE SHOULD ACTIVELY BE ALREADY LOOKING FOR THAT NEXT LOCATION.
BUT ARE WE SETTING A PRECEDENT? WILL SOMEBODY HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY, HEY, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS AND THAT'S ONE OF MY LEGAL CONCERNS.
AND THEN, UM, YOU MENTIONED THE FAIR
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HOUSING ACT, BUT I THINK YOU ALSO SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION THAT THIS ISN'T HOUSING.SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT DOES OR DOESN'T APPLY.
UM, HOW ARE PEOPLE GONNA LEARN ABOUT THE PROGRAM? HOW ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY GONNA KNOW THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE? MM-HMM,
UM, PERFORMANCE MEASURES, LET'S SEE.
KIND OF AN AWKWARD QUESTION TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SMOKING SITUATION.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE A COUPLE HAVING SEX IN THEIR CAR NEXT TO A CAR WITH A FAMILY? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT SOMETHING THAT I THINK ABOUT WITH A YOUNG CHILD, UM, COLLABORATION WITH FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER, I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL.
I SAW THAT THEY OFFERED TO PROVIDE A LOT OF HELP, SO I HOPE THAT WE WILL ENGAGE WITH THEM AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UM, IS THERE GONNA BE A CONTRACT THAT SOMEBODY SIGNS THAT OUTLINES WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE AND THEREFORE IF THERE'S A VIOLATION, SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE STEPS ARE IN CASE OF VIOLATIONS, LIKE ONE OFFENSE TO OFFENSE SO THAT SOMEBODY MAY BE SIGNED SO THAT THERE IS NO ROOM FOR MISUNDERSTANDING SO THAT WE CAN BE SWIFT SO THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, IT'S ADDRESSED SO THAT THIS IS AS, YOU KNOW, SAFE OF AN ENVIRONMENT AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WIFI, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT VERY GOOD SERVICE OUT THERE AND PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IF THEIR WORK SCHEDULE HAS CHANGED, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, IF THEY NEED TO CONTACT SOMEBODY, IF THEY NEED TO BE CONTACTED.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE RESOURCES THEY NEED.
IS IT NOT FOR EVERYONE
SO IF THE PLACE IS NOT COMPLETELY FENCED IN, WHAT HAPPENS WITH MONITORING LIKE THE CRYPTO BACTERIA FOR SOCIAL PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE WALKING IN AND OUT OR POSSIBLY WANNA USE THE BATHROOM.
THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW, EARTH CRUST OUT THERE.
AND SO IS THERE A PLAN FOR ENVIRONMENTALLY TO MAYBE TAKE PHOTOS BEFOREHAND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN TRACK AS WE GO TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, NO HARM IS BEING DONE TO THE ADJACENT ENVIRONMENT AND OR CONSIDER FENCING IN THE WHOLE AREA SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOCIAL HIKING IN AND OUT.
I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTIONS.
I THINK WERE MOSTLY ANSWERED IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET A BUY-IN OF LIKE HOPE AND COMMUNITY FOR THIS.
SO I THINK I AM OF THE ELK THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS THE DETAILS SO THAT PEOPLE REALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE NEED A SOLUTION.
UM, AND THIS IS THE BEST WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.
UM, I'M GONNA LET KURT START
SO I WOULD SAY THE WIFI QUESTION AND MANAGER QUALIFICATIONS ARE NOT CON UH, REASONS FOR APPROVAL DENIAL OF THE PROJECT.
JUST LIKE IF IT WAS A HOTEL, WE WOULDN'T BE, UH, QUESTIONING THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE MANAGER THEY'RE GONNA HIRE TO RUN THE HOTEL THAT'S UP FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE, WE'LL START WITH THE, UH, THE TEMP TEMPORARY, UH, SITUATION OF THIS.
SO THIS IS NOT LIKE, UH, IT IS NOT A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT.
UH, IT IS NOT EVEN, UH, A TYPICAL RV PARK OR ANY OTHER SAFE PLACE TO PARK, UM, THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT MAYBE SHANNON KNOWS OF SOME, BUT THIS IS, THEY'RE ONLY THERE AT NIGHT AND THEY HAVE TO LEAVE EVERY MORNING BEFORE 9:00 AM.
UM, IF THEY DON'T, THE VEHICLE DOESN'T LEAVE, THEN IT GETS TOWED OUT.
SO THERE'S NO, UH, LANDLORD TENANCY TYPE RELATIONSHIP, NO.
UM, ABILITY FOR THEM TO ESTABLISH ANY TYPE OF SQUATTER'S RIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT WAS ESTABLISHED THAT WAY FOR SOME OF THOSE REASONS.
ALSO BECAUSE IT'S SET UP THAT WAY, IT DOES NOT, UM, COMPLY OR IT DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE FAIR HOUSING ACT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, UH, HOUSING IN THAT LEGAL SENSE THAT IT'S PERMANENT, UM, UH, DECENT AND SANITARY OR WHATEVER THE, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THE FHA.
UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT TRYING TO COMPLY WITH AND WILL COMPLY WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AS MUCH AS, AS POSSIBLE FOR THIS TYPE OF, UH, PROGRAM AND SITUATION.
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SO I DON'T SEE IT BEING AN ISSUE.IT WAS, UH, IN THE COUNCIL PACKET.
IT WAS LISTED AS BEING FOR TWO YEARS ONLY.
UM, COUNCIL APPROVED IT TENTATIVELY, UH, APPROVED IT FOR THAT.
THE, THE CONTRACT WITH THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS CARE COALITION WOULD BE FOR ONLY TWO YEARS.
THE GRANT WAS FOR ONLY FOR TWO YEARS.
AND SO IN, IN ORDER FOR THIS TO GO PAST THE TWO YEARS, AND THE STAFF DOESN'T ENVISION IT GOING PAST TWO YEARS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PLANNING PROCESS AT THE CULTURAL PARK.
AND IT, IT LIKELY WON'T FIT IN THERE WITH THE FUTURE PLANS.
BUT IF IT DID, UH, COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND THE ADDITIONAL USE OF THE LAND FOR THAT, THAT PUBLIC LAND FOR THAT USE.
UM, THE, UM, UH, THERE IS FOR, THERE WILL BE RULES THAT EVERY, UM, PARTICIPANT HAS TO SIGN AND ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE RULES.
UM, ANY VIOLATION OF THE RULES CAN GET THEM PROHIBITED FROM COMING BACK FROM THE PARK.
THEY CAN BE TRESPASSED, UM, IF THEY TRY TO COME BACK WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED BACK.
UM, THERE'S, UH, STATE LAWS AGAINST PUBLIC SEXUAL INDECENCY AND INDECENT EXPOSURE.
UH, SO IF A COUPLE WAS HAVING SEX IN A VEHICLE NEXT DOOR AND THAT WAS VISIBLE IN ANY WAY, THEN THEY COULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.
UM, IS THE CITY CONSIDERING IF THIS PROGRAM IS REALLY SUCCESSFUL, IT SEEMS LIKE A GREAT BRIDGE TO HAVING PERMANENT HOUSING FOR PEOPLE.
IS THE CITY ALREADY LOOKING FORWARD TO CONSIDER IF THIS IS A TEMPORARY SITUATION WHILE THE MASTER PLAN IS BEING DEVELOPED? ARE WE ALREADY LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS WHERE THIS MAY BE, UM, MORE APPROPRIATE? LONG TIME, LONG TERM? UM, IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD START LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, JUST KIND OF GOING BACK TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND, AND THE ONE THAT KURT JUST MENTIONED IN PARTICULAR, UM, WE DO ANTICIPATE HAVING A FAMILY SECTION.
SO IF THERE ARE, UM, PARTICIPANTS WHO HAVE CHILDREN IN THEIR VEHICLES, THEY WOULD BE IN A, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SECTION THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
UM, UM, YOU ASKED ABOUT BACKGROUND CHECKS.
WE WILL CHECK THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY.
WE DON'T PLAN TO DO FULL BACKGROUND CHECKS.
I THINK THOSE ARE KIND OF THE SAME.
UM, THERE IS, UM, THIS ACTUALLY CAME UP IN THE COUNCIL MEETING, KIND OF A, A LENGTHY INTAKE.
UM, FORM
SO THEY WOULD STILL BE USING THAT, WHICH WOULD HELP US IDENTIFY, UM, INDIVIDUAL GOALS.
ALL PARTICIPANTS WOULD BE ON AN INDIVIDUAL SERVICE PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES WHAT THEIR GOALS ARE.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, SORT OF VAN LIFERS, UM, ARE NOT LOOKING TO GET INTO HOUSING.
PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE SEASONALLY, NOT PERMANENTLY.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE METRICS, WE SET OUR METRIC.
THE OTHER PROGRAMS WERE AROUND 40%, I THINK, OF PEOPLE THAT THEY HOUSED, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS THAT WE DID WHERE IT WAS ONLY FOR, UM, LOCAL WORKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE DID SET OUR GOAL, UM, AT 50% OF PARTICIPANTS WOULD BE HOUSED.
WE HAVEN'T SET A TIMELINE YET.
AND I THINK THAT INITIALLY, WE'LL, WE'LL GO WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, WHEN HOUSING IS AVAILABLE, WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE A TIMELINE AND BE LOOKING TO MOVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE INTO HOUSING ONCE IT'S BUILT.
UM, THE TERM OF EMPLOYMENT, WE DIDN'T SET A MINIMUM TERM OF EMPLOYMENT, BUT WE DID SET UP THAT, UM, OR WE'RE WORKING WITH THE HOMELESS COALITION TO INCLUDE IN THE INDIVIDUAL SERVICE PLANS THAT WHEN THEY CHECK BACK WITH FOLKS, THEIR EMPLOYMENT WILL BE VERIFIED AT LEAST MONTHLY.
AND I WOULD JUST CLARIFY WHEN, IF SHANNON WITH, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT ANY OTHER PLACES FOR THIS PROGRAM AND IT IS NOT PERMITTED IN OTHER AREAS, SO IF THAT WERE SOMETHING THE CITY WERE TO PURSUE MM-HMM.
I'M GUESSING IT WILL NOT BE A PERMITTED USE.
AND SO YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE BE LOOKING AT CHANGING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ADD THIS AS A CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE WITH USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
UM, AND THEN YOU, SO THEN EACH LOCATION WOULD HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF IT WERE TO BE PURSUED IN THE FUTURE.
BUT NO OTHER LOTS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AT THIS TIME.
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QUESTIONS? OKAY.I DO, I'LL, I'LL, I JUST GO AHEAD, CHERYL.
UM, I KNOW THAT KIRK JUST MENTIONED THAT TALKING ABOUT WIFI, UM, OR CELL SERVICE MAY BE IN THE WEEDS, BUT I'M STILL, YOU KNOW, QUITE CONCERNED AT THE SITE VISIT TODAY, UM, AT THE AREA AROUND THE SHOWERS AND SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES THAT WE WERE AT, THERE WAS NO CELL SERVICE.
HOWEVER, FURTHER UP ON THE SITE, THERE WAS CELL SERVICE.
IF I THINK ABOUT SOMEONE, IT WAS A PARKING SPACE THAT WE WERE AT, AT THE PARKING SPACE.
THERE'S AN ANIMAL OUTSIDE THE DOOR.
UM, I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU SAY IF NEEDED, THERE'S A BOOSTER.
UM, I ALSO KNOW AND APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE, YOUR STAFF IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TALKING A LITTLE ABOUT EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, UM, AM CONCERNED WITH THE LENGTH IF SOMEONE CAN'T GET OUTTA THEIR CAR, IF THEY NEED HELP BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO I KNOW THAT YOU SAID IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THERE WILL THERE BE BOOSTERS IF NEEDED.
UM, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE, THERE WILL BE BOOSTERS.
UM, AND, AND SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND MAYBE IN THE WEEDS, BUT THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS OR THE SAFETY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IS UTMOST OF IMPORTANCE.
'CAUSE IT'S IN A VULNERABLE COMMUNITY THAT IS TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
AND I JUST, I WOULD HATE TO BE THAT SITE SUPERVISOR DEALING WITH A HYSTERICAL PERSON WHO COULDN'T GET OUTTA THEIR CAR AND WE COULDN'T CALL FOR SERVICES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO, UH, FROM STAFF.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CFA OBJECTIVES FOR THIS, UM, WESTERN GATEWAY, IT TALKS A LOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ALTERNATIVE TO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND OPPORTUNITY TO AGE IN PLACE.
UM, THE CFA ALSO DISCUSSES ENCOURAGING DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS MIXED OF HOUSING TYPES, CAN, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVES TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT CAN BE PROVIDED TO MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I'M STRUGGLING WITH, UM, UNDERSTANDING HOW AN AUTOMOBILE THAT IS NOT HABITABLE FOR HOUSING CAN BE CONSIDERED MEETING THE CFA.
SO IF I COULD HAVE STAFF KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT.
SO THIS, UM, I KNOW THE COMMUNITY PLAN ON THE CFA WHEN THEY WERE WRITTEN, THEY WERE A LITTLE OPEN-ENDED ON WHAT WE CONSIDER HOUSING JUST BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS NON-TRADITIONAL HOUSING, NEW TRENDS IN HOUSING.
AND GRANTED, AS HAS BEEN SAID, THIS IS NOT BEING SEEN AS A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
THE WHOLE AREA IS GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH A MASTER PLANNING PROCESS WITH THE FOCUS BEING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO THIS IS, WE'RE SEEING THIS AS AN INTERIM SOLUTION TO AN IMMEDIATE NEED, UM, FOR HOUSING.
AND NO, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS INTENDING THIS TO BE A PERMANENT, AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CITY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING SOLUTIONS.
SHANNON AND JEANNIE ARE WORKING ON HUNDREDS OF VARIOUS UNITS IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, BUT JUST WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND THE APPROVAL PROCESS, THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ONLINE AND THEN NEXT YEAR AT LEAST, UM, AND THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE NEED.
SO HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO THE CFA? HOW DOES ALLOWING THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK 'CAUSE STAFF? MM-HMM.
UM, BUT HOW DOES THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK EXACTLY.
MEET THE CFA? IT'S PROVIDING A HOUSING OPTION AT THIS TIME UNTIL WE CAN PROVIDE A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION.
I'M GOING TO, UH, BEFORE I OPEN, UM, UP THE PUBLIC FORUM PART OF THIS, I NEED TO DETERMINE IF I HAVE ALL OF THE CARDS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
AND I HAVE THREE THAT HAVEN'T SPECIFIED.
SO I HAVE NO BETTER WAY THAN TO CALL OUT YOUR NAMES
AND IF YOU'LL JUST INDICATE IF IT'S FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM, THEN I'LL MARK IT.
SO, ELAINE S IS IT FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM? NOT HERE.
UM, MARTIN RECO, IT'S NOT FOR THIS.
UM, GREG BIDDLE NOT FOR THIS NEXT, NEXT ITEM.
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SO I'LL CALL THESE, UH, IN THE ORDER IN WHICH I HAVE THEM, AND THEN I'LL CALL A SECOND NAME.IF YOU'LL STAGE YOURSELF BEHIND, UH, THE PERSON AT THE MIC, WE CAN KEEP THIS FLOWING.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND I'LL ASK YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
UM, STARTING WITH, OH, THAT'S SIX P
BUT I HAD THESE ORGANIZED, UH, STARTING WITH, UH, STEVEN THOMPSON AND FOLLOWED BY GEORGE ALT.
AND THE, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE, CAN WE, CAN THE SPEAKER SEE THE, ARE YOU GONNA SET THE BUZZER UP? IT'S, OH, I FORGOT.
UH, MY NAME IS STEVEN THOMPSON, 55 KEIO SEDONA.
UH, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT, UH, CULTURAL PARK SITE.
IT'S, UH, THE PRECIOUS NATURE OF WHAT IT IS.
UH, ITS ORIGINAL APPROVAL, WHICH WAS BASED ON, UH, VERY STRONG LAND HUSBANDRY ETHIC.
UH, IT WAS A FOREST SERVICE TRADE.
IT WAS GUARANTEED TO BE MOSTLY PRESERVED.
UM, YOU CAN SAY THAT'S ANCIENT HISTORY, BUT THAT'S THE ETHICS OF HOW THIS GOT WHERE IT IS.
BEYOND THAT, IT'S A VERY SPECIAL PLACE.
IT'S A WESTERN GATEWAY TO OUR TOWN.
IT IS, UM, A WHAT BETTER HOOD ORNAMENT FOR A CULTURAL CENTER THAT SEDONA PROFESSES TO BE THAN TO HAVE A CULTURAL PARK AT OUR ENTRY.
UH, BEYOND THAT, I THINK THERE'S SOME VERY STRONG REASONS FOR, UM, UH, NOT THAT I'M AGAINST HOUSING PEOPLE.
I'VE LIVED OUTSIDE OF WALLS MYSELF, UH, AND I'VE NEVER LIVED IN A CAR, BUT HAD A PRETTY GOOD TIME DOING IT OUT IN THE FOREST OUT THERE.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE, UH, SOLUTIONS TO THE ISSUE OF HOUSING.
ONE, I THINK WE INCENTIVIZE THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
AND BEING IN A RELATED DEVELOPMENT FIELD, I KNOW THERE ARE REASONS WHY, UH, DEVELOPERS WOULD WANT TO PROVIDE THIS ELEMENT TO THE TOWN.
OPEN UP FLEX ZONING, ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, UH, INCENTIVES THAT ALLOW THE DENSITY OF A PROJECT TO ABSORB SOME HOUSING FOR, FOR STAFF, FOR, UM, THE HOMELESS.
UH, AND THEN THERE ARE SATELLITE, UH, ELEMENTS THAT WE COULD HELP SUPPORT IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, WHICH IN THE MOUNTAIN WEST IS THE WAY IT'S DONE.
JUST IF YOU EVER GET OUT OF TOWN, GO SEE, UH, YOU TRAVEL.
THERE ARE BUS AND SHUTTLE SYSTEMS THAT ARE FREE.
IT'S REALLY A PRETTY NICE WAY TO LIVE.
UM, IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN ON ANOTHER SITE THAT'S, SAY LESS ROCKY, LESS, UM, APPARENT, LESS IMPORTANT, IT COULD BE A LOT LESS ECONOMIC, UH, A FACTOR TO DEVELOP.
FOR INSTANCE, THERE ARE SITES WITHOUT HARD ROCK.
WE'VE DONE SOME, UH, A LOT OF INVESTIGATION OF WHAT IT TAKES TO, UM, EXCAVATE ROCK IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD, WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO WHEN YOU BUILD SOMETHING.
THIS MAY BE PROJECTING ONTO THE IDEA OF A NEW MASTER PLAN WITH, WITH, UH, HOUSING.
BUT, UH, HOW IS HOUSING AFFORDABLE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT COSTS THIS MUCH MONEY AND COSTS THIS MUCH MONEY TO DEVELOP? WHERE'S THE CULTURAL RESPONSIBILITY OR THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY TO THAT? THANK YOU.
IF YOU COULD WITHHOLD YOUR CLAPPING, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
AND PASTOR ALT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SAMANTHA DRAPER.
IN 1985, WHEN WE MOVED HERE, UH, I REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS, IF I MEMORY SERVE ME CORRECTLY, THERE WAS ONE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE Y AND THERE WERE CATTLE THAT WERE GRAZING ALONG THE HILLSIDE THERE.
THE HILLSIDE SHOPS ARE, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN.
UM, I WAS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THESE, UH, CHANGES IN ORGANIZATIONS.
UH, I WAS PART OF THE, UH, BOY SCOUT TROOP BACK IN THE EARLY DAYS.
I WAS THE FIRST SCOUT MASTER THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
AND WE PRODUCED, UH, THREE DOZEN EAGLE SCOUTS OUT OF A LITTLE TROOP HERE IN SEDONA.
GREAT, UH, GREAT ORGANIZATION.
I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE SON MEDICAL CENTER IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
UM, I WAS THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE, UH, MARCUS J LAWRENCE, UH, FOUNDATION.
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WE DIDN'T HAVE FOUNDATIONS WHEN IN THE EARLY DAYS.THE GREATER SEDONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION WAS ONE OF 'EM THAT I WAS PART OF.
IT'S NOW CALLED THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION OF SEDONA.
THE SEDONA YOUTH ACTIVITIES PROGRAM MORPHED INTO THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS IS A PROMINENT ORGANIZATION.
IT'S A NATIONAL PREMIER PROTOTYPE ORGANIZATION RIGHT HERE IN SEDONA HOPE HOUSE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
I'M GLAD TO SAY THAT I WAS INVOLVED WITH ALL THESE PROJECTS AND ALL OF THEM ADDED TO THE COMMUNITY.
I'M NOW INVOLVED WITH, UH, SEDONA SEDONA, UM, AREA VETERANS, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, SAY KO COULDN'T REMEMBER THAT.
UM, AND ALSO SEDONA LAGO GARDENS, WHICH IS A COMMUNITY FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH, UH, NEURODIVERSITY.
UM, THE ONE ORGANIZATION THAT I'VE BEEN PART OF FOR A LUMBER OF YEARS, DECADES IS THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE.
WE'VE HIT STONEWALL AFTER STONEWALL ALL FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE SPEAKING FOR THIS TEMPORARY PROJECT.
WE ARE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
BUT IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, REALLY INTERESTED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE MEETS RIGHT ON THESE GROUNDS, TH THIRD THURSDAY AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
IF NOT, HERE, WHERE, IF NOT NOW, WHEN, IF NOT US, IF NOT US, WHO HISTORIANS ARE GONNA WRITE ABOUT THIS ERA OF OUR HISTORY.
LET'S BE PROUD OF WHAT THEY WRITE.
HI, MY NAME IS SAMANTHA DRAPER.
I AM CURRENTLY LIVING IN MY VEHICLE WITH MY DAUGHTER.
UM, AND SO WE ARE IN SEDONA, BUT WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UM, I TEACH ART AND I'M AN ASSISTANT TEACHER AT, UH, THE RED ROCK WILDING SCHOOL WILD SCHOOL OUT IN CAMP VERDE.
AND, UM, I JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO COME UP HERE AND PROVIDE, UM, PERSPECTIVE TO PEOPLE.
SO I USED TO WORK, I'M A SINGLE MOM.
I USED TO WORK, UM, AT A BIG TECH COMPANY AND MAKE A LOT $55,000 A YEAR.
UM, UH, AND IT WAS NOT EMOTIONALLY, MENTALLY, OR PHYSICALLY OKAY FOR ME.
I HAD TO DO THE, THE JOB OF TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR HER, TRYING TO BE THERE FOR HER, TRYING TO FULL-TIME, UM, HAVE FINANCIAL, SORRY, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UM, PROVIDE, UH, AS ONE PERSON.
AND THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES OF, YOU KNOW, MARRYING SOMEONE OR BEING WITH SOMEONE OR TEMPORARILY DOING SOMETHING.
AND I, I COULDN'T DO THAT FOR MY CHILD.
UM, WE DECIDED TO LIVE NOMAD LIFE.
WE'VE BEEN LIVING NOMAD LIFE FOR A YEAR, AND IT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST HEALTHIEST THINGS THAT I HAVE EVER DONE, IS LETTING GO OF THAT FINANCIAL ASPECT OF MY LIFE AND BEING THERE FOR MY CHILD FULL TIME.
IT'S BEEN NOTHING THAT I'VE EXPECTED OR WAS WORRIED ABOUT.
UM, AND I AM, FOR THIS PROJECT, I THINK IT COULD HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND OF COURSE, UNDERNEATH THE RIGHT, UM, UH, CRITERIA.
BUT, UM,
WE, WE WENT TO MANY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS THAT WEREN'T WORKING OUT.
MY GOAL WAS TO HOMESCHOOL HER OR PUT HER IN A SCHOOL THAT I FELT GOOD ABOUT, UM, ENERGY-WISE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN DREAMING ABOUT, BUT THE ONLY WAY I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS IS BY LETTING GO OF THAT FINANCIAL ASPECT OF MY LIFE AND BEING ABLE TO, UM, LET GO OF THAT, MORE OF THAT STABILITY THAT, UH, A HOME OFFERS IN ORDER TO BE THERE FOR HER EMOTIONALLY.
UM, AND TO BE THERE EMOTIONALLY MYSELF.
UM, I'M NOT YOUR TYPICAL HOMELESS.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DO ANY DRUGS.
I, THE ONLY THING I PARTICIPATE IN IS CAFFEINE.
AND, UM, THAT THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY I DO THIS.
AND IT WOULD, I, IT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL TO HAVE THIS AVAILABLE.
I WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON GOING ALL THE WAY FROM COTTONWOOD ALL THE WAY TO CAMP VERDE.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR GUYS'
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TIME.UM, PATRICIA BRUNER, FOLLOWED BY DON COS.
UM, I'M PATSY BRENNER, AND I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR, UM, ALMOST 18 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE FOOD BANK FOR ABOUT 17 OF THOSE YEARS.
AND, UH, I'M A VERY ACTIVE VOLUNTEER.
UM, ANYTHING I SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE POSITIVES OF THIS PROGRAM.
UH, WE HAVE A SITUATION, SEDONA, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT POPULATION LIVING IN THEIR CARS, THEIR VANS, THEIR RVS, UH, SOME BY CHOICE, SOME NOT BY CHOICE, BUT THE COMMON THREAD FOR ALL OF THEM IS THAT THEY HAVE TO FIND A NEW PLACE TO PARK, OR KEEP GOING BACK TO THE SAME PLACE TO PARK EVERY NIGHT.
UH, THEY HAVE TO PICK UP IN THE MORNING AND MOVE ON, WHICH IS WHAT WE'LL BE DOING WITH THIS SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
BUT IT WILL BE A SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
THEY WON'T BE ROUSTED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
I MEAN, THERE WOULD BE AN ATTENDANT.
THE SHOWERS ADD A GREAT DEAL, AND THE SPACE TO COOK, UM, AND THE BATHROOMS, IT'S NOT A WHOLE FIX, BUT WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET TO A WHOLE FIX IF WE DON'T START DOING THE LITTLE THINGS.
SO THIS ADDRESSES ONE ELEMENT OF OUR POPULATION.
AND I KNOW FROM WORKING AT THE FOOD BANK, WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH PEOPLE WHO DO QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM.
AND THEIR RESPONSE HAS BEEN, UM, LIKE MS. DRAPER, UM, VERY POSITIVE, BECAUSE AS ONE GENTLEMAN SAID, WE HAVE TO GET UP AND MOVE ANYWAY IN THE MORNING.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEN WE HAVE TO GO FIND A PLACE TO PARK IN THE EVENING.
THEY WILL HAVE A PLACE TO PARK.
THEY'LL KNOW WHAT IT IS THERE.
THE CRITERIA LIMITS THE ACCESS.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ENCAMPMENT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE RAINBOW FAMILY.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BUNCH OF TENTS WHERE THERE WON'T BE CAMPFIRES.
UM, I ONLY SEE THIS AS AN IMPROVEMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND ESPECIALLY FOR THAT POPULATION.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 'EM, YOU'D BE SHOCKED BY HOW MANY OF THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THEM EVERY DAY AT, YOU KNOW, WHOLE FOODS AT, UH, BASHES, EVERYWHERE.
I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT SINCE 1990, AND I'VE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE, AND I'M PART OF THAT GROUP THATS STRONGLY DISAGREES WITH THE PROPOSED HOMELESS CAMP IN THE CULTURAL CENTER.
UM, TO SPEND OVER $20 MILLION IN THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY AND TO TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT FOR HOMELESS IS SO INCREDIBLY UNBELIEVABLE.
EVEN IF IT'S ONLY PROPOSED, PROPOSED FOR TWO YEARS, WHICH AS WE'VE ALREADY HEARD, THAT CAN BE EXTENDED.
I THINK THAT, UM, THE COMMITTEE HERE HAS SAID THAT THEY HAVE PLANNED TO EVENTUALLY OPEN UP THIS WHOLE AREA WITH, UM, AFFORDABLE LIVING.
HOW LONG IS THAT GONNA TAKE? 30 YEARS, 20 YEARS, 10 YEARS EVEN.
SO, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS ONLY, IS NOT ONLY PROPOSED FOR TWO YEARS.
UM, PEOPLE IN EVERY SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CLASS HAD BEEN COMMUTING TO AND FROM WORK DECADES OVER THE WHOLE WORLD IN CALIFORNIA, PEOPLE SPEND OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GET TO WORK.
DO YOU THINK THAT THESE WORKERS IN BEVERLY HILLS LIVE IN BEVERLY HILLS? NO, THEY DO NOT.
THEY TRAVEL INTO CITIES AND WORK THEIR JOBS.
UM, I THINK THAT IF THE CITY TAKES THIS ON, THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM AND LIABILITY POSSIBILITIES.
IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME AND DROVES.
HOW WILL THIS BE ADVERTISED? ARE WE GONNA END UP WITH ANOTHER PROBLEM? LIKE SAN FRANCISCO? UM, PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREETS, NOT BEING ABLE TO GET PEOPLE OUT.
HOW ARE, HOW IS THE SEDONA POLICE GONNA BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE PROBLEMS? UM, THIS ENCAMPMENT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT THERE COULD BE WITH, UM, PEOPLE HAVING SEX IN THE CAR NEXT TO OTHER KIDS, UM, AND PETS.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS AN IDEA.
SO, UH, THIS PROPOSAL, IT WAS PROPOSITION'S NOT GONNA SOLVE ANYTHING.
UM, THERE'S ALREADY PLACES IN TOWN THAT ARE PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE
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USED.FOR EXAMPLE, BIG PARK SCHOOL AND VOC.
OKAY? IT'S NOT PART OF SEDONA, BUT IT'S EMPTY.
LET'S USE THIS PROPERTY AS PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE SHELTER.
UM, ANOTHER IDEA IS THE SHUTTLE PARKING LOTS.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED.
UM, THEY CAN'T PARK THERE AFTER DARK.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE SHUTTLES TO GO HIKING, WHY NOT TURN THAT? PUT SOME BATHROOMS THERE, PUT SOME WATER THERE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE USE THAT TIME FROM DUSK TO DAWN.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY A PLACE THAT'S THERE.
UM, SEDONA COULD BUY OTHER PROPERTY.
WHAT ABOUT BY THE SEWER AREA? YOU MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CAMPGROUND, BASICALLY.
THERE'S ALREADY CAMPGROUNDS HERE.
WHY DOESN'T SEDONA SET UP A COUPLE OF SITES AT THE LOCAL CAMPGROUNDS FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE AREA THAT CAN'T, UM, AFFORD HOUSING? UM, IT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE TAKING TAXPAYER MONEY AND USING THIS LAND FOR THAT.
LET'S NOT CLAP AS WE DID NOT CLAP.
TELL THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK PLEASE.
UH, DEREK FAFF, UH, FOLLOWED BY MARK JACOBSON.
I CAME HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE CITY.
AND, UH, THANK YOU CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR COMMITTEE, CITY STAFF FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK.
AND, UM, I LIKE TO, WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS THE APPRECIATION OF THE IDEA OF HAVING THIS, UM, TEMPORARY SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND THE WILL TO FULFILL IT AND PROVIDE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR WHOM I FEEL A KINSHIP IN THE SENSE THAT WE ALL LIVE HERE IN SEDONA AND WE ALL WORK IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO MAKE IT A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE.
UH, DEREK FAF, CITY OF SEDONA.
CHAIR COUNT, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I WAS INITIALLY OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT.
I HAD A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT SEEING PEOPLE EXPRESS ONLINE ABOUT, UH, LEGAL ISSUES, CRIME, UH, HOW IT'S GONNA GET PAID FOR, ET CETERA.
UM, UNLIKE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING COMPLAINT ABOUT THIS PROGRAM, I WENT TO THE MEETING WHERE IT WAS DISCUSSED AT COUNCIL.
UH, I HEARD THE STAFF REPORTS.
I HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTUALLY GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THIS PROGRAM.
UM, AND, UH, ACTUALLY TALKED TO KURT ABOUT SOME LEGAL CONCERNS I HAD.
AND I CAME AWAY FROM THE MEETING IN SUPPORT OF THE PROGRAM.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISINFORMATION THAT'S BEING CIRCULATED.
SOME I THINK IN UNINTENTIONALLY UNTRUE OTHERS, UH, UH, PEOPLE WITH AN AGENDA WHO WANT TO PREVENT THIS THING.
SO JUST, I WANT TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH, IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, SOME, SOME POINTS THAT I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO CONSIDER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DIDN'T BUY THE CULTURAL PARK FOR $23 MILLION TO TURN IT INTO A HOMELESS PARK, CAR PARK.
UM, WHATEVER WE END UP DOING WITH THE CULTURAL PARK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DOWN THE LINE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA END UP DOING, WHAT'S GONNA END UP HAPPENING WITH THAT.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UH, I THINK THAT THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK IS A GOOD USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT OTHER LOCATIONS? UH, IN FACT, SOMEONE WHO JUST SPOKE, TALKED ABOUT BIG PARK, UH, FOREST LAND, NONE OF THOSE ARE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
THE CITY HAS NO CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS IN THE VOC OR ON THE FOREST LANDS.
UM, SOMEONE LINE MENTIONED A 1.2 ACRE LOT ON SHELBY.
WELL, WHY NOT PUT IT THERE? THERE'S ALREADY UTILITIES THERE.
WELL, THERE'S ALREADY A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BREAK GROUND IN THE NEAR FUTURE ON THAT.
UH, SOMEONE SAID WE SHOULD DO IT IN THE DELLS.
EXCEPT IF WE DO IT IN THE DELLS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLEAN UP A BUNCH OF WASTEWATER THAT WE'VE BEEN SPRAYING THERE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, INSTALL INJECTION WELLS THAT RUN ABOUT A MILLION BUCKS A PIECE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS MAKES SENSE.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
ONE OF THE THING PROBLEMS I THINK WE KEEP RUNNING INTO WITH PEOPLE IN SEDONA IS WE, WE LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE WHO WORK LOW WAGE JOBS, AND WE ACT LIKE IT'S SOME SORT OF PRIVILEGE THAT THEY GET TO LIVE HERE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE SUPPORTING US.
THEY'RE SUPPORTING OUR ECONOMY, THEY'RE SUPPORTING OUR BUSINESSES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH FOR THEM TO EXPECT A LITTLE BIT IN RETURN.
UM, I HEAR PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, THEY SHOULDN'T LIVE HERE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT IF WE DRIVE OFF EVERYBODY WHO'S STRUGGLING, UH, WITH HOUSING AND, AND, UM, MEDICAL
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CARE AND ALL THAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY WORKERS.YOU KNOW, WE NEED THESE PEOPLE TO KEEP OUR ECONOMY AFLOAT.
SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT SO THEY CAN STAY HERE AND THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR PART.
BUT THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE US DOING OURS.
UH, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR 32 YEARS, AND A BUSINESS OWNER FOR JUST ABOUT THAT LONG.
UH, I ALSO OWN PROPERTY IN SEDONA, AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE, UH, THE HOUSING COMMITTEE, THE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO HATS OFF TO STAFF.
UM, THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER, ALL THE RESEARCH AND COORDINATING AND PUTTING THIS PROPOSAL TOGETHER.
AND, UM, SO AS A RESIDENT, BEING HERE 32 YEARS, I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF CHANGES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, AS OF LATE IN THE LAST, UH, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX YEARS, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR COMMUNITIES CHANGED.
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE CHANGED.
YOU KNOW, YOU DRIVE DOWN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU DON'T SEE THE FAMILIES THAT YOU USED TO AND OR VACATION RENTALS, SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS, SCHOOLS HAVE CHANGED.
ATTENDANCE ARE LOW, ALL THE FAMILIES HAVE LEFT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS ALL DUE TO HOUSING, HOUSING CRISIS AS A BUSINESS OWNER, UM, IN MY BUSINESS, I'M IN ADVERTISING BUSINESS AND I WORK WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES OR MY CLIENTS, AND I KEEP PRETTY GOOD TABS ON HOW MY CLIENTS ARE DOING.
I'VE GOT RETAILERS, CONTRACTORS, HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, ALL OF 'EM.
THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS THE, THE, THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM IS LACK OF HELP OR PROBLEMS WITH HELP AND, UM, FINDING, WELL, LET'S SAY ATTRACTING, RETAINING, AND, AND QUALIFIED HELP.
UM, IN MY BUSINESS, UH, I LOST AN EMPLOYEE LAST MONTH.
UM, HE WAS UP A, YOU KNOW, SINGLE YOUNG MAN.
HE WAS, HAD SOME, UH, FINANCIAL CHALLENGES IN HIS LIFE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, CAME DOWN TO, HE WORKED THREE JOBS.
YOU KNOW, IT CAME DOWN TO WHETHER HE'S GONNA LOSE HIS CAR OR HIS APARTMENT.
YOU KNOW, THE APARTMENT'S WAY MORE EXPENSIVE AND THE CAR KEEPS HIM MOBILE.
SO HE LET GO OF THE, HE LET GO OF THE APARTMENT, AND, AND NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO BE PUT IN THAT PRE PREDICAMENT AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.
SO I SUPPORT THIS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SUSAN PRICE IS, UH, FOLLOWED BY WILLIAM ESPOSITO.
HELLO, MY NAME IS SUSAN PRICE.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THIS PROGRAM.
UH, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY, LIKE THE DELLS.
UH, SINCE THIS IS TEMPORARY, I ALSO THINK IT SHOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FIRST, AND THEN GO THROUGH THE NE NEXT PROCESS.
I'M NOT SURE SAVING TIME IS WITH ALL THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE, IS THAT IMPORTANT? THE OTHER THING I REALLY HAVE A, AN ISSUE WITH OR, OR CONCERN IS THAT THERE IS GONNA BE 40 SPACES, POSSIBLY TWO PEOPLE IN EVERY SPACE.
HOW MANY PORTA POTTIES ARE THERE GONNA BE? UM, IT'S, THAT'S COULD BE, YOU KNOW, 80 OR LESS PEOPLE.
HAS THAT BEEN FIGURED OUT HOW MANY PORTA-POTTIES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? SO PEOPLE AREN'T STANDING IN LINE? AND IF YOU CAN'T WAIT, WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? SINCE THIS IS A SPACE THAT WE ALL VALUE AND LOVE.
SO I AM AGAINST THIS ZONE CHANGE TO AMEND THE EXISTING, UH, PD TO ADD THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
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JESSE MARTIN FOLLOWS, MR. ESP ESPOSITO.THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS.
UH, SOMEONE WHO PLEASE, UH, FOR THE RECORD, STATE YOUR NAME.
CITY OF RESIDENCE, WILLIAM ESPOSITO, LIVING HERE IN SEDONA.
I CAME HERE TONIGHT, UH, UH, TO KEEP MY MIND OPEN TO THE OPPOSITION.
UM, BUT BASED ON EVERYTHING I'M HEARING, I'M STILL FIRMLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
IT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M ONE OF THE CRIMINALS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, I HEARD THE, A BIG HURRAH FROM THE CROWD WHEN THAT WAS MENTIONED.
I'M ONE OF THE CRIMINALS WHO LIVE OUT THERE.
UM, SO I'M GONNA SPEAK THIS NO LONGER IS GOING TO AFFECT ME.
UH, I WORK AT A FLOWER SHOP IN TOWN.
I'VE BEEN HIRED BY A HIKING COMPANY TO BE A GUIDE.
AND I HAVE AN INTERVIEW FOR THE, UM, I'VE BEEN INTERVIEWING FOR THE CARETAKER POSITION AT THE STUPA, BUT, UH, I'VE DECIDED I AM GOING TO LEAVE.
I CAN TELL THAT, UM, THERE'S JUST NOT GONNA BE A FUTURE HERE FOR ME BECAUSE OF HOUSING.
YOU WANT TO TELL THAT TO MY BOSS AT THE FLOWER SHOP? YOU THINK SHE'LL BE HAPPY? EXCUSE ME, BUT I'M LEAVING.
DO YOU EVER SHOP AT A FLOWER SHOP? MR. ESPOSITO, PLEASE FACE THE COMMISSION IS NOT A FLOWER SHOP.
YOU KNOW WHO WORKS THERE? NO, I DON'T CARE.
I'M NOT HERE TO SUPPORT MERCHANTS.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS TOWN.
I WILL ALSO MENTION, UH, WHEN I, I WAS LIVING IN THE LAKE TAHOE AREA, I DECIDED I HAD TO LEAVE THERE.
I WAS WORKING WITH ADULTS WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES.
I THINK WHAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS THESE JOBS NO LONGER MEET COST OF LIVING.
THERE'S AN NPR ARTICLE YESTERDAY.
ABOUT 50 50% OF AMERICANS ARE NOT AFFORDING RENT.
SO YOU CAN PRETEND THE WORLD CAN GO BACK TO THE NINETIES, LIVE OUT THE REST OF YOUR LIVES HERE, OR YOU CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CAPITALISM ONLY WORKS WITH DEEP ETHICS BEHIND IT.
AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PLEASE DO NOT ENGAGE WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT COME OUT TO PROVIDE COMMENT DURING THE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM.
JESSE MARTIN, YOU'RE FOLLOWED BY MARK KENRICK.
I'M JESSE MARTIN OF SEDONA, ARIZONA.
UM, I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM AT THE ALREADY IMPACTED PROPOSED SITE.
UM, I'M COMPELLED TO SHARE BECAUSE MY LIFE IN SEDONA BEGAN AS A YOUNG LOCAL WORKER WHO FOUND IT DIFFICULT TO AFFORD OR FIND DESIRABLE HOUSING.
IN ORDER TO GAIN MY FINANCIAL FOOTING HERE, MY BEST OPTION WAS TO SLEEP IN MY VEHICLE.
EXCUSE ME, COULD I ASK YOU TO SPEAK UP? YES, SIR.
UH, SINCE THERE WAS NO DESIGNATED SAFE PLACE TO PARK AT THE TIME, I USED TO PARK IN THE FOREST AND I USED TO PARK BEHIND, UH, BUSINESSES.
UM, AND FOR ME, THIS ARRANGEMENT WAS TEMPORARY SO I COULD SAVE MONEY WHILE STILL LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY I LOVED AND BUILD MY NETWORKS.
UM, THAT WAS IN 2001 WHEN I MOVED HERE.
SO EVENTUALLY I BECAME A HOMEOWNER IN WEST SEDONA HERE.
AND AFTER THAT, UM, MY WIFE AND I BECAME LANDLORDS.
UH, WE OFFERED TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE TO LOCAL WORKERS, INCLUDING WORKERS WHO WORKED FOR ME AND MY BUSINESS.
I'M ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER OF 19 YEARS HERE.
UM, SO SPEAKING AS SOMEONE WHO HAS CLIMBED THE ENTIRE LADDER OF HOUSING, STARTING FROM, UH, LIVING IN MY CAR, TO TAKING IT UPON MYSELF AS A PRIVATE SECTOR PROVIDER OF AFFORDABLE LONG-TERM HOUSING, UH, I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT A PROGRAM LIKE THIS CAN BE HUGELY BENEFICIAL TO OUR LOCALS WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE, BUT ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING THEIR FOOTING.
UM, AND I WOULD ARGUE IT WOULD BE A POSITIVE TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, BECAUSE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE HERE BAD ENOUGH TO SACRIFICE SECURE HOUSING AND TO DEAL WITH ALL THE DIFFICULTIES OF MANAGING A LIFE OUT OF A CAR, UM, IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS A LOT OF CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO CONTRIBUTE BACK INTO THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR ECLECTIC LITTLE COMMUNITY.
UH, THANKS FOR EVEN CONSIDERING SUCH A COMPASSIONATE GESTURE.
THE CHOSEN LOCATION COULD NOT BE ANY MORE PERFECT SPOT FOR THIS USE.
UH, I THINK THAT IT COULD HAVE A POSITIVE RETURN ON CIVIC INVESTMENT, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
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NEXT, UH, SPEAKER WILL BE MICHAEL WRIGHT AFTER MR. BROOK.HI, MY NAME'S MARK BROOK, AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
SINCE WE REMAIN A VERY DIFFICULT PLACE TO FIND HOUSING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LOW WAGES THAT ARE OFTEN OFFERED BY LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND SINCE THERE'S A HUGE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WE NEED TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE NO OTHER OPTION THAN LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLE.
UH, SOME REASONS THAT I SUPPORT THIS APPROACH.
FIRST, IT FILLS A NEED IN THE COMMUNITY WITH FEW AFFORDABLE OPTIONS, UH, FOR LOCAL HOUSING.
TRAVEL FROM DISTANT LOCATIONS MAKES LITTLE ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL SENSE.
THESE ARE ESSENTIAL WORKERS BY AND LARGE, AND SINCE THEY SUPPORT OUR NEEDS, WE NEED TO SUPPORT THEIRS.
SECOND, THE RULES ARE VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT.
READING THROUGH THE RULES MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO HANG OUT.
IT IS A PLACE TO RECUPERATE AFTER A HARD DAY'S WORK.
IT IS BASIC SUPPORT FOR SAFETY, HYGIENE, AND A PLACE TO MAKE MEALS.
PROBLEMS WITH SMOKING AND DRUGS ARE ADDRESSED AND THE OPERATION IS FULLY SUPERVISED.
TIME IN AND TIMEOUT ARE STRICTLY CONTROLLED.
THE SOLUTION IS TEMPORARY UNTIL MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING CAN BE DEVELOPED.
THE USE DOES NOT IMPACT THE FUTURE USE OF CULTURAL PARK AND ANY ULTIMATE USES, AND IT MAKES USE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE INTERIM.
SO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL FOR THIS TEMPORARY USE AND ENSURE THAT THE DIGNITY OF THOSE THAT USE THIS SPACE IS MAINTAINED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO YOU AND TO STAFF.
MICKEY REYNOLDS WILL BE AFTER.
THANK YOU TO THE CHAIR AND THE COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, I SPENT MY CAREER IN CONSERVATION FIELDS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL FIELD, MOSTLY OVERSEAS.
UH, AND ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT I DEVELOPED AND WORKED ON DURING THAT TIME, IT'S CALLED WILDLANDS AND HUMAN NEEDS.
BECAUSE ALTHOUGH WE WERE TRYING TO PRESERVE ENDANGERED WILDLIFE IN PLACES WHERE THAT HAVE HUGE POVERTY, YOU CAN'T DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE FIELD HAS STRUGGLED WITH, AND IT'S VERY HARD.
THESE ARE HARD CHOICES, AND WE'RE FACING HARD CHOICES, NOT QUITE AT THAT SCALE, BUT JUST THE SAME.
AND NO HUMAN NEED IS GREATER THAN THE NEED FOR HOUSING AND, AND PARTICULARLY FOR PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN.
SO I'M STRONGLY IN, IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I'M SURE THERE'RE GONNA BE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE GO ALONG, BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT I DID LEARN IS THERE'S NO FIRST FIX THAT'S GONNA HOLD AT ALL.
IT'S A, IT'S A ONGOING PROCESS.
SO ANYBODY WHO THINKS EVERY QUESTION WILL BE ANSWERED HERE IS IN A DREAM WORLD, THIS IS AN ONGOING PROCESS.
I THINK THE STAFF IS SHOWN THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY AND THE COMMITMENT, AND I THINK IF THE COMMUNITY STANDS BEHIND THEM, THIS IS GONNA MAKE THIS CITY VERY PROUD.
SUZANNE DE SUTTER WILL FOLLOW MICKEY REYNOLDS.
I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION THAT MY QUESTION WAS ALREADY ANSWERED.
GOOD EVENING, PLANNING AND ZONING.
MY NAME IS MICKEY REYNOLDS, AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN, RAISED IN NORTHERN ARIZONA.
YOU KNOW, I CAME HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND.
I, I WASN'T REALLY SURE HOW, WHICH WAY I WOULD FEEL ABOUT THIS.
UM, I STARTED TO THINK AS I WAS LISTENING TO EVERYBODY, I'M IN CONSTRUCTION AND REAL ESTATE, AND YOU KNOW, ALL I EVER HEAR IN OUR TOWN LATELY IS COMPLAINTS ABOUT EVERYTHING.
COMPLAINTS ABOUT HOUSING, COMPLAINTS ABOUT AIRBNBS, COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE COST OF EVERYTHING, THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, THE COST OF HOW DO WE EVER EASE THAT IF WE CAN'T EVEN GET ANYBODY TO COME HERE? SO I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF.
I NEEDED SOME WORK DONE ON MY HOME.
I CALLED ONE OF MY CONTRACTORS WHO LIVES IN BOISE, IDAHO, AND I SAID, HEY, YOU CAN, WILL YOU COME HELP ME? HE SAID, SURE.
HE'S HOMELESS TECHNICALLY NOW HE LIVES IN HIS VAN.
AND HE SLEPT IN MY DRIVEWAY, IN HIS VAN.
AND I STRUGGLED WITH LIKE, SHOULD I INVITE HIM IN? SHOULD I NOT? WHAT DO I DO? HE SAYS TO ME, M**K, I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE TO SEDONA.
I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD IT.
AND I SAID, WHAT IS IT LIKE, LIKE LIVING IN YOUR VAN? HE IS LIKE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIKE SLEEP? AND THEN HAVE SOMEBODY BANG ON YOUR DOOR WITH A GUN AND WAKE YOU UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING? AND SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CREATE A SAFE SPACE.
I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB.
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I'D LIKE TO COMMEND YOU ON ALL OF THE RESEARCH.WE DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD.
WE CAN'T KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE STREET.
I MOVED BACK TO SEDONA A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING IN CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO BUILD IT.
ARE WE GONNA FLY THEM IN? WHERE ARE WE GONNA HOUSE ALL THOSE PEOPLE? IT'S A PROBLEM.
WE NEED TO CREATE COMFORTABLE SPACES WHERE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE, TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, TO BECOME PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND IF WE CONTINUE TO DENY THAT WE WILL NEVER, EVER LOWER THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, LOWER THE COST OF HOUSING, THERE'S THIS COUNTRY'S 9 MILLION DOORS SHORT.
WE NEED 9 MILLION IN THIS COUNTRY, LET ALONE WHAT THIS STATE NEEDS, LET ALONE WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS.
THIS ISN'T PERFECT, BUT WHAT IS PERFECT? SO I, I THINK THAT, I HOPE YOU VOTE YES, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE PERFECT.
AND WE ALL AS A COMMUNITY HAVE TO KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA EVOLVE AND DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN AND GIVE FEEDBACK AND LEARN AND GROW.
UH, PBA, FOLLOWED BY JAMES MCCABE.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE CITY FOR 27 YEARS.
UH, I'VE SEEN IT GO FROM LIKE GEORGE ALT, I THINK SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST SO, UH, JUST A, A ONE STOPLIGHT TOWN TO THIS MECCA THAT WE HAVE NOW, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS SAN LUIS OBISPO COUNTY IN CALIFORNIA HAD A TEMPORARY PARKING FACILITY, AND THEY ARE NOW TRYING TO CLOSE IT.
THEY ARE NOW BEING SUED TO KEEP IT OPEN.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO A LAWSUIT IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, UM, TO KEEP, TO LET THE RE THE, THE RESIDENTS CAMPING ALONG THE RIVER STAY AND ANOTHER ONE IN SANTA BARBARA WHERE THE A CLU SUED ON BEHALF OF THE HOMELESS IN SANTA BARBARA.
SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO A BIG LAWSUIT BECAUSE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A TEMPORARY FIX.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU MIGHT BE GETTING ALL OF US IN A SITUATION WHERE IN WE'RE IN A LAWSUIT ON THIS.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE ONCE YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME AND THEY DON'T WANNA, THEY DON'T WANNA LEAVE.
THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY, OTHER THAN I WOULD LIKE A CLARIFICATION ON THE AREA THAT WE'RE PUTTING THIS FACILITY IN.
UM, I WALKED IT AND I THINK WHERE YOU HAVE IT SHOWN IS DOWN IN THAT, I'LL CALL IT THE HOLE.
NOW, ARE YOU GONNA FENCE OFF ALL SIX ACRES? BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT PLACE TO FENCE OFF THE TERRAIN MAKES IT DIFFICULT.
THERE'S DRAINAGE AREAS IN THERE.
THE PARKING AREA, PARKING AREAS WITHIN THERE ARE REALLY SMALL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET 40 CARS IN ONE PARKING AREA.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING ALL THE CARS IN ONE AREA, IS THIS ONE PERSON WHO'S SUPPOSED TO KEEP AN EYE OUT, HE'S GONNA HAVE PEOPLE SPREAD OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
HOW'S HE GONNA KEEP TABS ON THAT? AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IF THAT'S THE AREA THAT YOU ARE HAVING THIS HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT AT, THERE'S A SIGN IN THE DIRT PARKING AREA THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT.
IT'S, IT'S THE DIRT LOT THAT'S NEXT TO THE GATE THAT GOES DOWN TO THE ROCK QUARRY.
THERE'S A REZONING SIGN ON THERE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT SAYS WHAT THAT IS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE REZONING FOR THAT LOT IS.
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MY NAME IS JIM MCCABE.I AND I LIVE IN FOOTHILL SOUTH, AND I'VE BEEN THERE ABOUT 13 YEARS.
UM, TO START OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE ALL KNOW THIS IS NOT GONNA BE TWO YEARS.
WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE AN EXTENSION.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, MOST OF WHAT I HEARD HERE TODAY, UM, IS BOGUS.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT IT FROM.
AS THE FATHER OF FIVE WITH NINE GRANDCHILDREN, I THINK I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF CHILDREN'S SAFETY.
I THINK OF CHILDREN IN THE BATHROOM AND THE SHOWERS AT NIGHT WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE.
WHEREVER FROM WHEREVER OUR CITIES ARE FILLED WITH CRIME AND LAWLESSNESS AND SLEEPING IN CARS IS STAGE ONE.
SEDONA IS HEADING TO INTO ANOTHER SAN FRANCISCO OR PORTLAND, I THINK OF ALL THE CARS RUNNING THEIR AIR CONDITIONING ALL SUMMER.
AND WHAT ABOUT RUNNING THEIR ENGINES ALL WINTER? WHAT ABOUT THE OIL THEY DROP ON THE GROUND? WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THE TOXIC THINGS THAT COME OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE CAR? WHEN YOU SEE THESE DROPS ON A STREET, WHEN WILL THIS TOWN START THINKING ABOUT ITS RESIDENTS AND NOT PUT TOURISTS AND VISITORS FIRST AT OUR EXPENSE, BY THE WAY, I JUST NOTICED THAT ON CHANGE.ORG, WHICH IS TO STOP THE HOMELESS PARKING, IT HAS 340 PEOPLE AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
340 PEOPLE AGAINST THIS IN 24 HOURS.
WE CAN TWIST THE FACTS ALL WE WANT, BUT THIS PROJECT IS A DISASTER AND IT OPENS UP THE TOWN TO ALL KINDS OF LITIGATION WHEN IT GOES WRONG AND IT WILL GO WRONG.
RANDY SHAMS, FOLLOWED BY CHIP NORTON.
HI, MY NAME IS RANDY SHAMS. I'VE BEEN IN SEDONA OVER 25 YEARS NOW.
I'M A MUSICIAN HERE IN TOWN AND I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN THEIR CARS AND I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
AND I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME HIKING BACK THERE.
I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME BIKING BACK THERE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE SEEN COYOTES, I'VE SEEN DEER, I'VE SEEN BOBCATS, I'VE SEEN MOUNTAIN LIONS.
I'VE BEEN SURROUNDED BY COYOTES, AND I'VE HELPED OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE SURROUNDED BY COYOTES.
NOW, DURING THE DAY, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH A PROBLEM, BUT IF YOU LIKE TO HIKE, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE IN THE EVENING ON INTO, WHEN IT GETS DARK, IT BECOMES A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
AND HAVING PEOPLE OUT THERE ALL NIGHT LONG, THIS, IT IS A WILDERNESS AREA, IS WHAT IT IS.
UM, EVEN IF YOU FENCE IT OFF, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY GONNA HELP IT TOO MUCH.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ANIMALS ARE GONNA GET IN AND IT, IT'S NOT ONLY GONNA DISRUPT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE, IT'S GONNA DISRUPT THE WILDLIFE THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
AND, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK.
BUT, UM, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE.
KAREN SCHUMANN WILL FOLLOW CHIP NORTON
THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION AND STAFF.
I LIVE IN CAMP VERDE AND I'M PRESIDENT OF THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION.
AND I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS MANAGEMENT OF THE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE IN COTTONWOOD.
UM, IT'S LOCATED ON MAIN STREET, RIGHT NEXT TO OLD TOWN COTTONWOOD, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BUSIEST COMMERCIAL AREAS IN COTTONWOOD.
UH, OUR BOARD, THE MAYOR OF CAMPER IS ON OUR BOARD.
THE ACTING CHIEF OF POLICE IS ON OUR BOARD.
THE, UH, CEO OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS ON OUR BOARD.
AND RATHER THAN HAVING THIS EXPLOSION OF CRIME AND DISRUPTION, YOU KNOW, IN THE HEART OF COTTONWOOD, THE THE OPPOSITE HAS HAPPENED.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE MANAGEMENT, UM, HAS A VERY DISCIPLINED APPROACH TO MANAGING, UH, FOLKS THAT DO NOT HAVE HOMES.
AND WE'RE MANAGING A GROUP THAT IS, THAT IS NOWHERE NEAR AS SELECTED AS, UH, THE FOLKS THAT ARE GONNA BE, UH, USING THIS, UM, FACILITY OR THIS, UH, SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE, IT'S NOT A PLACE OF INCIDENT.
AND IT'S, IT'S, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S BECAUSE
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THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE OUR STAFF AND A LOT OF THE FOLKS WE COLLABORATE WITH TO PROVIDE SERVICES ARE ALL WORKING COLLABORATIVE COLLABORATIVELY TOGETHER IN THAT AREA.SO RATHER THAN A PLACE OF WHERE YOU'RE READING ABOUT CRIME AND, AND DISTASTEFUL INCIDENTS, WE'RE HAVING EVENTS THERE.
AND IF YOU SAW THE TURNOUT THERE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY ONE OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
AND IT'S BECAUSE RHONDA, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, RUNS A VERY TIGHT SHIP.
I JUST, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
MS. SCHUMANN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, CAROL KER MINSKY, KAREN SCHUMANN.
YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST NIGHTMARE CITIES HAVE IS THE HOMELESS.
AND I FEEL LIKE IF THIS PROPOSAL PASSES, THE WORD GETS OUT THAT SEDONA IS OPEN TO THE HOMELESS AND WE'RE WELL KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND IT INVITES THE HOMELESS.
UM, PATSY ALREADY TOOK A LITTLE OF MY THUNDER BECAUSE SHE'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE DID OVER AT THE FOOD BANK, WHICH IS THAT WE PUT OUT THE, THE FLYER THAT TALKED ABOUT THE SAFE SPACE TO PARK, AND WE WERE ASKING PEOPLE IF THEY WERE INTERESTED.
AND SO WE TALKED TO 39 PEOPLE WHO WERE ALL VERY POSITIVE.
AND I HAD ONE PERSON WHO SAID, THAT SOUNDS REALLY COOL TOO, BUT EH, I'M KIND OF HAPPY WITH WHAT I'M DOING NOW.
SO ONE OUT OF 40 IS NOT TOO BAD.
UM, WHAT I FOUND WITH THESE PEOPLE, BECAUSE I GOT TO KNOW THEM VERY WELL, I WORKED THERE EVERY WEEK AND I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR FOUR YEARS, IS THAT THEY'RE WORKING IN OUR RESTAURANTS.
THEY'RE WORKING IN OUR RETAIL SHOPS, AND BASICALLY THEY DON'T WANT TO BE LIVING IN THEIR CARS FOR THE MOST PART.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE METRICS ON THIS, IT MAKES SENSE.
UH, THE HOUSING THEY CAN AFFORD IS NOT AVAILABLE HERE.
IT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN COTTONWOOD, IT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN CLARKDALE.
IF YOU'RE A RETAIL WORKER, YOU'RE WORKING FULL TIME, WHICH IS IN MANY CASES HARD TO DO.
MANY OF 'EM WORK MULTIPLE JOBS.
UH, AND YOU'RE MAKING $18 AN HOUR, WHICH IN MANY CASES, AT THE HIGH END, UH, IF YOU SPEND 30% OF YOUR INCOME ON HOUSING, WHICH IS WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS YOU SHOULD BE SPENDING, YOUR MAX RENT WOULD BE $988 A MONTH.
BUT RIGHT NOW, ROOMS ARE RENTING FOR $1,200 A MONTH IF YOU CAN FIND THEM TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS FOR $2,100.
I HAVE PEOPLE COME INTO THE FOOD BANK EVERY WEEK TELLING ME, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA LOSE MY APARTMENT.
THEY JUST RAISED THE RENT, OR I'M NOT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO LIVE IN MY CAR.
AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING HERE.
SO OUR CHALLENGE IS, OF COURSE, THAT WE HAVE, UH, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY ISSUE AND WE'RE ALL VERY AWARE OF THAT.
THE CITY'S GOT A NUMBER OF PLANS.
THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ACTUALLY OUT BUYING HOMES AND RENTING THEM OUT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN OUR WORKFORCE.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EFFORTS GOING ON.
AND WE NEED TO BUY THAT TIME IF WE WANNA HAVE ANYBODY WORKING IN OUR, IN OUR FACILITIES AND IN OUR STORES.
IF WE WANNA BE ABLE TO WALK UP TO THE DELI AND IT'S OPEN, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK INTO A A, TO A RETAIL STORE AND THEN IT HAS THE REGULAR HOURS WE NEED TO HAVE EMPLOYEES.
AND SO I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS SAFE SPACE TO PARK AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS MOVE FORWARD AS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION AND INTO OUR LONG-TERM HOUSING ISSUES.
TRACY RANDALL IS NEXT, FOLLOWED BY SEAN SMITH.
I'M FEELING DIZZY FROM THE HEAT
UM, I'M HERE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE VERDE VALLEY CYCLIST COALITION.
WE REPRESENT 300 CYCLISTS IN THE VERDE VALLEY, MOST OF THEM RESIDING IN SEDONA.
AND THIS GROUP WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE BUILDING OF THE WESTERN GATE WAY, WHICH THIS PROPERTY, UM, FOOTPRINT GOES AGAINST.
UM, I TODAY WENT OUT AND ATTENDED THE ONSITE.
UM, SO I COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF WHERE THE BOUNDARIES WERE VERSUS THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE BUILT.
AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT SOME OF THE THINGS I WAS CONCERNED WITH WHEN I WENT OUT ON THE TRAILS LOOKED BACK INTO THE PROPERTY WERE ADDRESSED.
I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THOUGH, 'CAUSE I HEAR THAT THIS IS A FLUID SITUATION AND SO YOU GUYS ARE STILL, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE STILL DECIDING HOW TO DO THINGS.
SO I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS IS GONNA BE HERE.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE KNOWS IF IT GETS APPROVED.
UM, I WILL SAY THE FENCING YOU HAVE PLANNED, YOU DON'T SEE FROM THE, THE, THE TRAILS.
YOU DON'T DISTURB THE NATURAL EXPERIENCE.
BUT I'M HEARING PEOPLE SAY, LET'S PUT FENCES AROUND THE WHOLE
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THING.THAT MAY BE THE DECISION YOU MAKE.
I WOULD ARGUE THE FENCING YOU HAVE PICKED OUT ISN'T VERY NICE FOR THE TRAIL USERS OR THE RESIDENTS.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE AN ENCAMPMENT, WHICH IS, I DON'T THINK A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR EITHER PARTY.
SO IF THE DECISION IS TO PUT MORE FENCING, I'D ARGUE LET'S SPEND A LITTLE MORE MONEY AND MAKE IT A NICE EXPERIENCE LIKE WE HAVE AROUND THE MARRIOTT OR UPTOWN SEDONA.
SO IT'S LOOKS GOOD FOR ALL USERS OF THAT LAND.
UM, THE NEXT THING IS TRAIL ACCESS.
I HEARD SARAH, YOU MENTION MAYBE WE SHOULD FENCE IT OFF 'CAUSE OF THE CREST.
I WOULD ADVOCATE AGAINST THAT 'CAUSE IT DESTROYS THE NATURAL EXPERIENCE.
WHAT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR IS PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA ACCESS THOSE TRAILS.
NOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU PUT THERE, REGARDLESS OF IT'S THIS OR FUTURE CONSTRUCTION, LET'S NOW THINK ABOUT WHAT TRAIL HEADS WE NEED SO WE HAVE PEOPLE KNOWING WHERE TO GO TO GET ONTO OUTER LIMITS AND BOTTOM OUT.
AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU, UM, WITH THE FOREST SERVICE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, I WAS PLEASED BY THE SETBACKS, SO IT'S NOT SITTING RIGHT ON THE TRAIL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING, SO I JUST WOULD ASK AS THOSE DECISIONS GET MADE, BE MINDFUL OF THE TRAILS AROUND YOU AND HOW CLOSE YOU'RE GETTING TO THAT VICINITY.
SOMEONE HERE TALKED ABOUT GRAY WATER, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD.
THE ONLY THING I'LL ASK THE GROUP TO CONTINUE TO CONSIDER IS THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THAT LAND, UM, NATURALLY GOES INTO ONE OF THE TRAIL SYSTEMS. AND SO IT'S HIGH UP TOP WHERE YOUR SHOWERS ARE.
THEN THERE'S A LOW SPOT THAT GOES INTO BOTTOM OUT.
AND SO DEPENDING UPON HOW THEY DO THAT, WE'VE GOT WATER RUNNING INTO WHERE WE'RE ALL BIKING AND HIKING.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL ASK, WHAT'S YOUR EXIT PLAN? UM, SO THAT'S IT.
FOLLOWING MR. SMITH IS ANTHONY JOHNSON.
HI, SEAN SMITH, RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ONGOING CIVIC ENGAGEMENT.
I OWN A HOME IN SEDONA, BUT I'VE BEEN HOMELESS, I'M DATING MYSELF, BUT I SLEPT IN THE PINTO STATION WAGON AND SHARED A VERY SMALL RV WITH TWO OTHERS.
I SLEPT AT THE RISK OF POLICE ACTION.
SO I WANNA HIGHLIGHT ONE ASPECT OF THE WORD SAFE IN THE NAME.
WHILE THE SAFETY OF ANYONE IS IN ANY CONTEXT CAN NEVER BE ASSURED, I TAKE THE WORD SAFE AND THE NAME TO LARGELY MEAN SAFE FROM LEGAL AND LIO.
THAT WAS A PRIMARY CONCERN FOR THOSE THAT SPOKE AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND ARE LOOKING FOR A LEGAL PLACE TO PARK.
AND AS ONE SPEAKER MENTIONED TONIGHT, AS FAR AS THE TYPICAL DEFINITION OF SAFETY, CONSIDER THERE ARE RISKS SLEEPING IN THE FOREST, INCLUDING FROM UNTOWARD ACTORS.
SO TO ME, SAFETY IS A WASH, SAFE PLACE TO PARK IS A GOOD STEP AND A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH TO THE HOUSING CRISIS FOR WORKERS THAT FILLS AN IMPORTANT NEED WHILE THE HARD WORK CONTINUES IN OTHER INITIATIVES ALREADY IN PLAY TO MY FELLOW RESIDENTS, PLEASE GO WATCH THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
MANY QUESTIONS ASKED HERE TONIGHT WERE ANSWERED AND THE CITY ATTORNEY ADDRESSED THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO PROTECTED CLASSES INVOLVED.
HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THE LEGAL RISK.
NOT BEING BOLD ON ISSUES WAS A RECURRING CHARGE AGAINST PAST COUNSELS.
I PLED THIS COUNSEL FOR COMPASSIONATE ACTION.
I'VE LOST COUNT HOW MANY TIMES I'VE HEARD BUSINESS OWNERS, NOT JUST WORKERS HAVING HOUSING TROUBLES, MOSTLY FROM LONG TERM TO SHORT TERM RENTAL CONVERSIONS.
I FEEL IT IS REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT FOR SEDONA BEING A SMALL CITY, THE SCALE OF PROBLEMS WE MIGHT ENCOUNTER WITH SAFE PLACE TO PARK WILL BE MANAGEABLE.
I TRUST THE CITY AND STAFF COUNCIL TO PLAN FOR ISSUES WE EXPECT AND TO CRAFT SOLUTIONS, TO UNFORESEEABLE ISSUES AS THEY ARISE.
LIKE FIGURING OUT WHAT CONSTITUTES A WORKER.
I TRUST CITY, STAFF AND COUNCIL TO MONITOR COSTS AND EITHER ADJUST THE BUDGET TO A REASONABLE SPEND OR SHUT IT DOWN, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, WE NEED TO SAY THAT WE ANSWER THE CALL OF COMPASSION FOR OUR WORKERS UNTIL WE GET ENOUGH ATTAINABLE HOUSING, WHICH I DEFINE AS A PROPER MIX OF TRANSITIONAL, AFFORDABLE, AND WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IT CORRECTS PAST COUNCILS, NOT INCLUDING WORKERS IN THE HOUSING, HOW THE HOUSING MIX HAS EVOLVED.
BUSINESSES SHOULD HELP THE HOUSING CRISIS, AND, UH, FOR OWNERS AND WORKERS.
BUSINESSES ARE SUBJECT TO THE LAWS OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND SETTING LABOR RATES.
ARE THEY RISK FAILURE? WE CAN'T ASK BUSINESSES TO INFLATE OUR WAY OUTTA THE CRISIS.
I'VE ENGAGED MY FELLOW RESIDENTS ONLINE.
I'VE HEARD IMPORTANT CONCERNS, AND MANY SAID THAT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND THIS COUNT, THIS MEETING SO FAR.
AND THEY EXPECT TO HEAR THESE CONCERNS NEXT WEEK.
BUT IN ALL OF THE DISCUSSION, I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FOR WHICH A SOLUTION CAN'T BE FOUND.
AND I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD A FATAL FLAW YET.
TO ME, THAT RANKS COMPASSION OVER LESSER SOLVABLE CONCERNS.
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HEATHER AARON MALLOY.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
I'M THE REVEREND ANTHONY M TO OISE JOHNSON, FORMER SEDONA RESIDENT NOW LIVING IN VILLE.
I WOULD ASK FOR JUST A MOMENT TO IMAGINE A PLACE AND A SPACE BEYOND THE DETAILS, WHETHER ONE IS FORWARD OR AGAINST IT, BEYOND THE DETAILS.
THESE PEOPLE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISPLAY WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS OUR HUMANITY.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING EVERYONE IN HERE HAS IN COMMON, LAST TIME I CHECKED, WE ARE ALL HUMANS.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW OUR HOSPITALITY.
THIS OPPORTUNITY, TO ME, HELPS BOTH WORKING PEOPLE, WORKING PEOPLE, AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
I HOPE WE AVAIL OURSELVES OF THAT.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT CALLING YOU REVEREND.
AND AFTER, UH, HEATHER MALLOY, UH, HARRY LY.
UM, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 34 YEARS.
UM, BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND I'VE HAD THE GREAT PRIVILEGE OF BEING HERE.
IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUT HERE SPEAKING, UM, YOUR MIND.
AND IT'S REALLY AWESOME THAT WE HAVE THIS FORUM THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US.
SO WE'RE, UM, WE HAVE THAT PLEASURE OF HAVING THIS, THIS FORUM, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I THINK IF, IF THE PROGRAM'S PASSED, I'D, I'D THINK IT'D BE GREAT.
UH, CONSIDERATION TO HAVE SENIORITY FOR LONGTIME RESIDENTS, LONGTIME LOCALS AND PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN.
UM, ALSO WONDERING WHAT THE PATHWAY IS TO HOME OWNERSHIP.
WHAT PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN MOVING SAFE PLACE TO PARK NATIONALLY INTO OWNING PROPERTY OR CO-HOUSING OR LAND TRUST WITHIN SEDONA.
WE ALREADY HAVE LAND, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE CO-HOUSING AS PART OF OUR, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EXPLORE FURTHER.
UM, A RESIDENT, UH, BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE COURT CASE THAT, OR A LAWSUIT THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, UM, IN THE SAN LUIS OBISPO COUNTY, THERE WAS A SAFE PLACE TO PARK THAT WAS A TEMPORARY PROGRAM, UH, FOR TWO YEARS.
AND, UM, AN ARTICLE HAS JUST COME OUT, UM, AND THE COUNTY'S BEING SUED.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY GOOD TO EXAMINE IS A SAFE PLACE TO PARK HAS BEEN, UM, YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE SUCCESSES IN THE NATION, BUT LET'S LOOK AT THE FAILURES.
UM, AND, AND HOW COULD WE, HOW COULD WE REDUCE OUR, UH, LIABILITY AS A CITY SO WE DON'T GET SUED.
UM, IN THE ARTICLE, UM, I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO SHARE IT, BUT IN THE ARTICLE, IT STATES, UM, SO THE RESTRAINING ORDER WILL BE AN ORDER FROM THE COURT TO THE COUNTY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO TO REFRAIN FROM CLOSING THE SITE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS A PROCESS IS PUT INTO PLACE TO SEE, TO IT THAT PEOPLE GET ACTUAL HOUSING, NOT PUT ON A WAITING LIST, NOT SHOVING THEM INTO A SHELTER.
UH, THE RESTRAINING ORDER COMES ON TOP OF A LAWSUIT THE GROUP FILED LAST MONTH.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE LAWSUIT IS AN ATTEMPT TO GET THE COURT TO FIND THAT THE COUNTY AND C-A-P-S-L-O HAVE VIOLATED THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF OUR CLIENTS, THE RESIDENTS AT THE OKLAHOMA SITE, UH, THAT THE COUNTY AND C-A-P-S-L-O BROKE THEIR PROMISE TO PROVIDE HOUSING ASSISTANCE AND UNJUSTLY EVICTED THEM WITHOUT AUTHORING, OFFERING THEM ANY SUB SUBSTATIVE, UH, HOUSING.
UM, COUNTY OFFICIALS SAY THERE ARE CURRENTLY 21 PEOPLE STILL LIVING AT THE SITE AND THEY'RE NOT LEAVING.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY COMMENTS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION TODAY.
I APPLIED TO THIS COMMISSION ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO SO THAT I COULD HOPEFULLY HELP.
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LICKS SEDONA RESIDENT.I'VE BEEN A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONER IN 2016, AND I'VE ATTENDED A LOT OF MEETINGS LIKE THIS.
AND BASICALLY, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE IN MY GENERATION, ABOUT 30 YEARS OLD, WHO DON'T HAVE THE TIME, CAPACITY, OR ABILITY TO BE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER TONIGHT.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT BEYOND MEASURE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS PUSHED THROUGH BECAUSE THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF THIS SOLUTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SEDONA.
AND EVERYBODY I KNOW IN MY AGE GROUP THAT'S NOT BEING SHELTERED BY THEIR PARENTS HAS SPENT TIME IN THEIR VEHICLE TRANSITIONING INTO THE WORKFORCE HERE.
IT MIGHT MIGHT'VE BEEN A NIGHT THE FIRST TIME THEY VISITED.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A WEEK, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A MONTH, BUT IT HAS HAPPENED TO PRETTY MUCH EVERY MILLENNIAL AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER BECAUSE OF A LANDLORD EVICTING THEM WITH SHORT NOTICE, AN AIRBNB MOVING INTO THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, I WORK TWO TO THREE JOBS JUST TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE AS WELL.
AND MY CONCERN IS HOW DO YOU GET A SPOT IF YOU'RE WORKING TILL 11:00 PM AND YOU HAVE TO START WORKING AGAIN AT 6:00 AM THAT'S MY BIGGEST QUESTION.
I DO THINK PARENTS SHOULD HAVE FIRST ORDER OF ABILITY TO GO THERE THAT NIGHT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP LATE BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING TWO TO THREE JOBS? AND ALSO THE COMPASSION AND THE HOSPITALITY TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY MAKING THIS CITY FUNCTION.
LIKE I'VE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE SAY, WE ARE THE ONES SERVING YOU.
WE JUST WANT SAFETY TO LITERALLY NOT GET KNOCKED ON AT NIGHT.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE SOLUTION.
YES, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF UNITS UNDERWAY, BUT IF A RECESSION HAPPENS, ARE THOSE HUNDREDS OF UNITS REALLY GONNA COME UP? THEY MIGHT TURN INTO ANOTHER VERSION OF THIS, LET'S BE HONEST.
BUT THAT IS HOW THIS CITY IS GONNA KEEP FUNCTIONING HOTELS, ANYTHING.
SO IN THAT SENSE, PLEASE DO CONSIDER THIS FROM THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT I KNOW, HUNDREDS WHO HAVE BEEN IN THIS SITUATION AND WHO HAVE BEEN CLEAR AND HELPFUL TO THE SEDONA COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
I HAVE, UH, TWO CARDS THAT DIDN'T INDICATE WHICH AGENDA ITEM, UH, THEY WISH TO SPEAK TO.
UH, ZOE, ELLIE VID, ARE YOU HERE? AND, UH, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? UM, UH, SHE WANTED TO REGISTER HER SUPPORT, I'M SORRY, REGISTER HER SUPPORT BEFORE SHE WAS ABLE TO SPEAK, BUT SHE WANTED TO REGISTER THE SUPPORT.
DID I ASK FOR ALENE ELLIS EARLIER? IS SHE HERE? AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA? ITEM LEFT THE BUILDING.
THERE SHOULD BE A CARD FOR WILLIAM NUNAN THAT I HANDED IN BINGHAM.
NUNAN NUNAN, I'M SORRY, NUN SCH.
COUPLE OF, LET ME GO THROUGH THESE.
COULD YOU CHECK FOR NUNAN? MM-HMM.
MY NAME IS, UH, MY NAME IS DR. WILLIAM NOONAN, AND MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED TO SEDONA, UH, TWO YEARS AGO FROM PORTLAND TO ESCAPE BELIEVE THE HOMELESS CRISIS THERE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY LIVING IN THE RIM, STONE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT'S NEAR THE CULTURAL PARK.
AND THERE'S AN OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION AMONG OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE ZONING CHANGE THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT.
WE CANVASED OUR NEIGHBORS OVER THE WEEKEND AND FOUND ONLY FOUR PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF IT, AND 36 OPPOSED TO IT.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE MORE PEOPLE LEARNED ABOUT THE PROGRAM, THE MORE OPPOSED THEY BECAME TO IT, BECAUSE THE CITY HAS MISLEADINGLY PRESENTED THIS AS A WORKFORCE HOUSING SOLUTION.
BUT IF YOU READ THE FINE PRINT OF THEIR PROPOSALS, WHICH I DID, YOU CAN SEE THE WORKERS ARE ONLY ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE, UH, GONNA BE PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROGRAM.
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UH, BASICALLY, UH, COMPETING IN A DAILY LOTTERY EVERY DAY FOR ADMISSION TO THE PARK.UH, COMPETING WITH UNEMPLOYED HOME WITH, UH, UNEMPLOYED DISABLED PEOPLE, UNEMPLOYED RETIRED PEOPLE, UNEMPLOYED PARENTS OF SCHOOLCHILDREN, AND MAYBE EVEN JUST UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE WHO DECIDED TO TAKE A COURSE AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
SO LET'S JUST NOT PRETEND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S LIMITED, UH, TO WORKERS.
UM, ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY PLANS TO MAKE, UH, THE PARKING LOT AVAILABLE TO DISABLED PEOPLE WITH WHAT THEY CALL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. AND AS A PHYSICIAN, I KNOW THAT THAT'S CODE FOR PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS AND DRUG ADDICTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN IN PORTLAND THE, THE NIGHTMARE THAT OCCURS WHEN YOU HOUSE, UH, THE MENTALLY ILL IN PUBLIC.
UH, AND SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S PERFECTLY PREDICTABLE THAT THE NEARBY TRAILHEAD, UH, NEAR THE SITE WILL BECOME LITTERED WITH, UH, TRASH AND DRUG PARAPHERNALIA AND PSYCHOTIC PEOPLE WHO WILL, WHO WILL CHASE AWAY, UH, BOTH LOCAL RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS.
THE CITY ALSO, I THINK MISLEADINGLY SAYS THIS HOMICIDE IS TEMPORARY, BUT I'VE READ THROUGH ALL OF THE CITY'S SUBMISSIONS, AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT, THAT COMMITS THEM TO MAKING THIS TEMPORARY.
THERE'S NO SUNSET PROVISIONS, NO LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF SPACES.
UH, AND IF THE CITY DOES TRY TO CLOSE IT, I, YOU KNOW, I PRACTICED BOTH LAW AND MEDICINE FOR MANY YEARS.
AND SO AS AN ATTORNEY, I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S QUITE LIKELY THAT SEDONA WOULD FIND ITSELF, UH, IN THE SAME POSITION THAT SAN LUIS OBISPO FOUND ITSELF IN JUST LAST WEEK WHEN IT TRIED TO CLOSE THEIR PARK BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH NUISANCES THAT AROSE, UH, AFTER THEY OPENED IT.
SO THESE SAFE CAR PARKS HAVE A, HAVE A, A RECORD OF FAILURE, UH, THAT SEDONA REALLY SHOULD NOT REPEAT.
THE CITY IS ALSO SOMEWHAT DISINGENUOUSLY, UH, CONDUCTED, UH, A MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
'CAUSE THE CITY, UH, SOMEWHAT DISINGENUOUSLY INTERPRETED ITS RULES, UH, TO LIMIT THE, THE OUTREACH TO 300 FEET FROM THE PARKING SPOTS, WHICH MEANS THEY REALLY JUST CONSULTED WITH THE TREES INSTEAD OF THE, THE PEOPLE IN THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WE REALLY DON'T TRUST PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY SO CYNICALLY MANIPULATING THAT TYPE OF, OF RULE, UH, TO, TO RUN THIS CAR PARK, UH, PRACTICALLY NEXT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WAS THERE ONE OTHER THAT I, UM, OVERLOOKED? ANDWE AND SCHWEISS SCHWEISS, UM, PATRICK SCHWEISS, UH, DID NOT INDICATE, UH, WHICH ITEM HE WISHED TO SPEAK TO.
IS HE STILL HERE?
AND THERESA'S ON WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WHICH ITEM DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO? THIS ONE OR THE NEXT? OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR DOUBLE CHECKING.
OKAY, NOW I'LL CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC FORUM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, PATIENCE AND FOR MAKING THE TIME TO COME AND TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL AT THIS POINT TO ASK THE STAFF IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES THAT CAME OUTTA THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THAT THEY WISH TO CORRECT IN TERMS OF FACTS.
AND I WROTE DOWN, UM, UH, NO LIMITATION ON SPACES, FENCING, COMPETING FOR ELIGIBILITY AND, UM, MENTAL HEALTH.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE OTHERS THAT YOU WOULD WISH TO JUST, UM, PERHAPS ANSWER THE PUBLIC'S CONCERN ABOUT.
UM, I THINK THE ONLY TWO THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER, AND I'D PROBABLY REFER TO JEANIE AND SHANNON ON THE OTHERS, WOULD BE THE FENCING.
I KNOW WE TALKED AT LENGTH WITH, UM, SHANNON AND JEANIE ABOUT THIS.
UM, THE TYPE OF FENCING IS WHATEVER THEY DECIDE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE.
UM, I KNOW AT ONE POINT THERE WAS THE THOUGHT DEFENSE, THE WHOLE THING, RIGHT? UM, THAT DID NOT SEEM NECESSARY.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO FENCING AS NEEDED.
UM, AND SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, UNINTENDED ACCESS TO FOREST SERVICE OR WE NEED TO CONTROL ACCESS TO A CERTAIN AREA, MM-HMM.
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UM, IS OKAY IMP YOU KNOW, IF THE PROGRAM IS IMPLEMENTED, WILL FENCE IS NEEDED.UM, AND THE OTHER, I THINK, UM, THE VERDE VALLEY CYCLING MM-HMM.
SO, UM, PERHAPS WITH EXPERIENCE YOU CAN DETERMINE IF RIGHT.
THERE'S A, A WAY TO, UM, ENABLE THAT NOT TO HAPPEN.
AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE REZONING SIGN, AND THAT WAS MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S NO OTHER CASES GOING ON RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST THIS ONE.
BUT BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, WE HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT DO A REALLY QUICK TURNAROUND AND GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THIS NEXT WEEK, UM, THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT SCHEDULED FOR THE 27TH, WHICH WOULD BE IN THREE WEEKS.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE NOTICING DEADLINES, THE, THE SIGNS FOR BOTH OF THEM ARE UP RIGHT NOW.
ONE IS FOR A CITY COUNCIL HEARING AND A A FEW WEEKS, AND ONE IS FOR THE MEETING TONIGHT.
AND JEANNIE AND SHARON, DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU WISH TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP? UM, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LOOK UP THE SAN LUIS OBISPO SITE BECAUSE AS SOMEONE MENTIONED, THIS IS RECENT, IT WAS, IT'S 24 7, IT'S OPEN ALL DAY.
THAT'S, SO THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
AND ALL THE ONES THAT ARE IN LITIGATION WERE ONES THAT WERE, BECAME ENCAMPMENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
THAT'S A GOOD DISTINCTION TO MAKE.
AND THAT GAVE RISE TO THE LITIGATION SUBSEQUENTLY? YES.
I, I DON'T KNOW OF, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, OF, OF THE ONES THAT ARE OPEN ONLY AT NIGHT OVERNIGHT, ONLY THAT ANY OF THOSE HAVE ENDED UP IN LITIGATION THAT I'VE SEEN.
UM, ALSO, SOMEONE MENTIONED THE PROXIMITY OF NEIGHBORS, UM, TRULY FOLLOWED THE, THE LETTER OF THE RULE AND SENT NOTIFICATION TO FOLKS WITHIN 300 FEET.
BUT THE NEAREST HOME, I BELIEVE IS 2000 FEET.
UM, SO IT WASN'T AS THOUGH IF WE HAD JUST GONE 400, WE WOULD'VE NOTIFIED MORE PEOPLE.
UM, WHICH IS DISCRETIONARY OF COURSE.
I DON'T WANNA ARGUE THAT POINT, BUT PERHAPS WHEN IT, OR IT, MAYBE IT'S ALREADY BEEN NOTICED FOR COUNSEL, BUT PERHAPS THAT BOUNDARY COULD BE PUSHED OUT.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE EXIT STRATEGY, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
AND THE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT A FEE HAS BEEN ONGOING.
UM, IF WE DO INCORPORATE A FEE, IT WOULD BE REINVESTED BACK INTO THE PROGRAM.
AND WE HAD CONSIDERED THAT PERHAPS THAT THAT WOULD BE BEST USED WHEN WE CLOSED THE SITE AS HOUSING ASSISTANCE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE REMAINING, UM, AT THAT TIME, MENTAL HEALTH, UM, MENTAL HEALTH, IF IT QUALIFIES AS A DISABILITY, I'LL LET THE CITY ATTORNEY ADDRESS HOW, UM, HOW THAT APPLIES TO OUR RULES.
I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE QUESTION NECESSARILY, BUT YES, PEOPLE DO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND THEY'D STILL NEED A PLACE TO, TO SLEEP AT TIMES.
SO,
SO THOSE ARE STILL IN THE WORKS, BUT YES, POTENTIALLY, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO SHOW, UH, THAT THEY'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OR HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE CITY OF SEDONA STILL.
SO THEY CAN'T JUST BE FROM ANYWHERE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT I HAVE.
IF I MISS SOMETHING, LET ME KNOW.
I THINK WE COULD VOTE AND BE DONE WITH THIS GROUP PRETTY QUICKLY.
OH, THE, THE NUMBER OF PORTA-POTTIES, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DID IS ASK THE PORTA POTTY PROVIDER, HOW MANY DO YOU NEED TO HAVE FOR THIS MANY PEOPLE?
UM, UM, AND WHY NOT THE DELLS? UM, THE CITY DOES OWN THE SITE, BUT THE DELLS ARE NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY.
SO THE ZONING THAT APPLIES TO THAT SITE IS THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNTY.
UM, SOMEONE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, PARKING SPACES.
THE PARKING SPACES WILL BE DEFINED WITH, UM, REUSED FIRE HOSE.
SO IT, THEY AREN'T, UM, THEY AREN'T HUGE.
THEY'RE REGULAR SIZED PARKING SPACES, AND THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE MAP, UM, ON THE SCREEN UP THERE.
UM, IT'S NOT A VERY LARGE AREA.
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IN FACT, THEY'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE CONDENSED THAN THAT ONCE THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM ACTUALLY GOT OUT THERE AND IDENTIFIED SPACES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.THEY'RE NOT SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND, AND THEY ARE LIMITED TO 40.
THEY COULD BE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS.
SHARON, WE'RE NOT RESPONDING TO THE QUESTIONS.
SHOUTED OUT FROM THE AUDIENCE.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NEED ANY CLARIFICATION ON ANYTHING BEFORE? I'M GONNA ASK FOR A MOTION.
WILL JOE, SARAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT, UM, WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS, MY INITIAL RESPONSE WAS PERHAPS MAYBE THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
AND SO I WAS SORT OF IN THAT CAMP, AND I'M JUST SHARING MY EXPERIENCE HERE.
BUT WHAT I DID IS I THEN FOLLOWED THROUGH AND I EDUCATED MYSELF ON SPECIFICALLY WHAT THIS PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE.
AND I HAVE FOLLOWED THE NEXT DOOR.
I HAVE READ ALL OF THE COMMENTS.
I READ THE CHANGE.ORG PETITION.
I HAVE READ ALL OF THE CONCERNS.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS A REACTION BASED IN FEAR AND NIMBYISM AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT SO DESPERATELY NEED IT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS, IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.
UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP, AND WE WILL HAVE A SAN FRANCISCO SITUATION IF WE DO NOT PROACTIVELY TRY AND FIND A WAY TO BRIDGE THE GAP HERE AND MAKE A TRANSITION AND HELP PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REALLY LOOK AT THIS FROM BOTH SIDES BECAUSE MY INITIAL RESPONSE WAS, WOW, THIS SEEMS LIKE A TERRIBLE IDEA UNTIL I REALLY EDUCATED MYSELF.
AND THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT THIS PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONSTRUCT AND AN OUTLINE, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE A STRUCTURE.
UM, AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY MISSING THE UNITY AND COMMUNITY HERE, AND WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY GOBSMACKED, YOU KNOW, TO THE AUDIENCE MEMBER THAT SAID, I DON'T GIVE A S**T WHEN SOMEBODY WAS SHARING THEIR EXPERIENCE.
AND THANKFULLY A LOT OF THE PEOPLE UP HERE DO.
AND I'M JUST REALLY GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE UP HERE AND THAT PERSON IS NOT, BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN WITH THE INFORMATION GIVEN AT THE TIME.
AND IT MAY NOT WORK, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST TRY.
AND SO I HOPE PEOPLE WILL REALLY TRY AND COME TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE.
HOWEVER, I CAN'T, WE CAN'T ACCESS TO THE COMPUTER IF ANYBODY HAS.
I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 0 2 ZONE CHANGE, SAFE PLACE TO PARK AMENDING THE EXISTING PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT ON A PN ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 4 7 0 0 9 A, ADDING THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM AS OUTLINED IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS AS A PERMITTED USE BASED ON CONSISTENCY AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC, SECTION 8.3 AND 8.6, AND SATISFACTION OF THE ZONE CHANGE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
I'LL SECOND IT FROM MR. HURST.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
IS, UH, CALLIE, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? NO, LOOKS LIKE SHE SIGNED OFF.
ALL THOSE, UM, WE, UM, CONCUR WITH THE, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE, SAY AYE.
AND CAN YOU STATE THE REASONS FOR THE NO VOTE, PLEASE.
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BELIEVE THAT THIS, UM, APPLIES TO THE CFA.WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE COME BACK TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
SO WE'LL RETURN AT, UM, SEVEN 20.
WE'RE RECONVENING AT, UH, 7 25.
[6.b. Continued public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Zone Change (ZC) and Development Review (DEV) to allow for development of a 110-room hotel and 40-unit multifamily housing project (Village at Saddlerock Crossing) at 1259 & 1335 W State Route 89A; 82 & 86 Saddlerock Circle; and 105 Elk Road. The property is within the Soldiers Pass Community Focus Area, is ±6.3 acres, and is located south of the intersection of W State Route 89A and Soldiers Pass Road between Saddlerock Circle and Elk Road. APN: 408-26-004B, 408-26-004C, 408-26-009C, 408-26-009C, 408-26-010, 408-26-011, 408-26-012, 408-26-013, 408-26-014, 408-26-086A, 408-26-088. The requested Zone Change is from CO (Commercial) and RM-2 (Medium-High Density Multifamily) to L (Lodging).]
ITEM NUMBER SIX B, CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF HIS ZONE CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 110 ROOM HOTEL AND A 40 UNIT UNIT.MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECT VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING AT TWO, EXCUSE ME, AT 1 2 5 9, AND 1 3 3 5 WEST STATE ROUTE 89, A 82 AND 86 SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND 1 0 5 ELK ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE SOLDIER'S PASS COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA IS 6.3 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES, AND IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A AND SOLDIER PASS ROAD BETWEEN SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND ELK ROAD.
ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 DASH 26 DASH ZERO FOUR B AND 4 0 8 DASH 26 0 4 C 4 0 8 DASH 2 6 9 C 4 0 8 2 6 9.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL THOSE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
WE, WE KNOW WHAT PROJECT THIS IS ABOUT.
THE REQUESTED ZONE CHANGE IS FROM COMMERCIAL AND OUR, EXCUSE ME, AN RM TWO MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY TO LODGING.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER PC 19 0 0 0 5, ZONE CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THE OWNER APPLICANT IS THE BANEY CORPORATION REPRESENTED BY KURT BANEY.
AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE IS, UH, WITH MORRIS, BPLC, JASON MORRIS, AND BENJAMIN TATE.
SO WE'LL START OFF WITH A STAFF, UM, LED PRESENTATION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO FIRST MAKE A NOTE THAT KI UH, COMMISSIONER GSKI IS EXPECTED BACK ABOUT SEVEN 30, SO IN A COUPLE MINUTES.
SO SHE HAD TO STEP AWAY FOR A MINUTE DURING THE LAST ITEM.
UM, AND SHE WILL LET US KNOW WHEN SHE'S BACK.
UM, SO THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, SO IT'S NOT A, A NEW PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE FULL PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE.
I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CHANGES, UM, SOME OF THE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS THAT STAFF STILL HAD.
AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL FROM AFTER ME.
UM, SO THIS IS STILL THE SAME INFORMATION, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE DIFFERENT PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS.
THE CURRENT APPLICATION HAS, UM, WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN 2019.
IT'S GONE THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT, UM, REVISIONS.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS FOR 110 LODGING UNITS AND 40 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UM, THERE WAS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HEARING ON NOVEMBER 7TH.
I WAS DOING THIS TOO QUICK THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, AT THAT MEETING, THE, THE STAFF DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE PROJECT, UM, AND THE COMMISSION OPTED TO GIVE THEM A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW THEM TO ADDRESS THE IDENTIFIED AREAS OF NON-COMPLIANCE.
UM, THIS IS BETWEEN, THE PROPERTY IS BETWEEN SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND ELK ROAD SOUTH OF 8 89 A AND WEST SEDONA.
IF YOU'VE GONE BY THE PROPERTY LATELY, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION YARD.
THEY DO HAVE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT FOR THAT.
IT IS FOR A WATERLINE REPLACEMENT PROJECT, UM, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
BUT IF YOU'VE NOTICED THAT THERE IS A SEPARATE TEMPORARY USE PERMIT THAT THAT CONTRACTOR DID INSTALL, UM, THEY'VE FENCED THE SITE TO PRESERVE ALL THE EXISTING TREES AND THAT, SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THE PROPERTY IS IN, JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER THAT THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN WITH THAT ONE ACRE OF MULTIFAMILY BEING IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
UM, IT IS ALSO WITHIN THE SOLDIER'S PAST COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN.
UM, BUT IT HAS CURRENT ZONING OF COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY WITH THE PROPOSED ZONING BEING FOR LODGING ZONING MAP.
THIS SHOWS SOME OF THE AREA LAND
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USES YOU SEE MOST ALONG, ALONG THE HIGHWAY.YOU MOSTLY HAVE COMMERCIAL WITH, UM, AN UNUSED LODGING DESIGNATION ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, THIS LODGING IS THE, UM, SKY ROCK LODGE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED NOW.
USED TO BE A BEST WESTERN MM-HMM,
UM, SO THIS IS THE REVISED, SLIGHTLY REVISED SITE PLAN FROM WHAT YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL.
UM, THE MAIN LOCATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, ARE GENERALLY THE SAME.
OR ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE THEY ARE THE SAME.
THE TWO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN ARE THE CONNECTION TO ELK ROAD, UH, AT THIS LOCATION AND THE ADDITION OF SOME LOT LOADING SPACES HERE, WHICH THEN REDUCE SOME OF THE PARKING IN THAT AREA IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE WORK.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE, UM, WE HAD IDENTIFIED THAT THEY WERE NOT MEETING THE CODE.
THEY HAVE ALSO ADDED A, I BELIEVE THEY'RE CALLING IT A SHORT TERM LODGING, RIGHT? UM, AT THE ENTRANCE HERE, THE, THE SIZE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES THREE LOADING SPACES.
AND SO THAT'S HOW THEY'RE, UM, PROPOSING TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN THIS CONNECTION TO ELK ROAD FROM THE TOP LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE, YOU REMEMBER THEY WERE PLANNING ON DIGGING DOWN FOR THE FIRST LEVEL.
UM, YOU ALSO SEE ALONG HERE, DIDN'T CIRCLE IT, BUT THE, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY A GRAVEL WALKWAY IS NOW BEING SHOWN AS A CONCRETE SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA.
SO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED THAT THEY HAVE STATED THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE SOLAR READY.
UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND DESIGNS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED TO, UM, BE CLOSER TO COMPLIANT WITH OUR HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
AS YOU SEE IN THE PACKET, THERE ARE STILL SOME AREAS OF UNCERTAINTY.
UM, IF THE COMMISSION CHOSE TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT TONIGHT, WE HAVE DRAFTED POTENTIAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT, UM, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSING IF THEY WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT THROUGH BUILDING PERMITS AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CHECK.
THERE'S JUST SOME DETAILS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE MEETING THE DIFFERENT UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANES AND MASSING AND SOME HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS THAT SHOULDN'T REQUIRE HUGE CHANGES TO THE BUILDINGS.
A LOT OF IT IS JUST CLARIFICATION ON THE PLANS.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO PRO PROPOSING SOME ADDITIONAL BICYCLE PARKING THEY HAVE ADDRESSED.
UM, THEY HAVE WELL DETAILED A LOT OF SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES THAT THE HOTEL WOULD INTEND TO IMPLEMENT IN THEIR LETTER OF INTENT.
AND THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED THE REQUESTED CLARIFICATIONS ON THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, SOME OUTSTANDING ITEMS RELATED TO THE CFA PLAN, UM, THAT ARE HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED TO THE POINT WHERE WE WOULD SAY THIS PROJECT IS COMPLIANT ARE THE INCLUSION OF LODGING AS THE PRIMARY USE.
UM, THE CFA RECOMMENDATION IS FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND IS KIND OF OUTLINED IN THE MEMO THAT WE PROVIDED.
UM, THE ONLY MIXED USE ZONE THAT REQUIRE, THAT ALLOWS FOR LODGING ALLOWS LESS LODGING THAN IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, THERE'S A QUESTION AND AS TO WHETHER THE AREAS THEY'VE DESIGNATED AS THEIR COMMUNITY SPACES REALLY MEET THE INTENT OF WHAT THAT COMMUNITY OR WHAT THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA WAS GOING FOR.
WHEN IT TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY SPACES AND THEIR, UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED AND HAVE NOT GOTTEN OR BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW OR, UM, EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE, UM, INCREASE IN NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GOING TO BE MET WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND THEN SOME OF THE DETAILS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND SO THOSE ARE RELATED TO THE CFA PLAN.
UM, OUTSTANDING ITEMS UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, THERE'S STILL SOME, UN, UN IS UNCLARITY A WORD? I DON'T THINK IT IS, BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT
UM, SO, UM, REGARDING SETBACKS AND LOT COVERAGE, UM, AGAIN, SOME HEIGHT DETAILS WERE NOT COMPLETELY ADDRESSED.
THOSE ARE MOSTLY, AGAIN, AROUND THE DETAILS OF THE BUILDING.
WE'D STILL HAD SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THEIR PARKING ANALYSIS, UM, MASSING REQUIREMENTS AND ADDRESSING SOME OF THE HEIGHT STUFF.
THEY LOWERED A PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND NOW THERE'S NOT THAT THREE FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN A COUPLE, UM, POINTS.
IT'S A TWO FOOT SEPARATION NOW, I THINK.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE HEIGHT WOULD BE FINE, BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADJUSTED BACK.
UM, THERE'S STILL SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS ON THE LIGHTING APPLICATION, MAINLY AROUND THEIR SIGN LIGHTING AND THE MASTER DESIGN PLAN THAT THEY
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HAVE.UM, THERE IS STILL SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD AROUND THAT THAT, UM, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH INSTALLING ANY SIGNS.
UM, REGARDING PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT YOU LOOK AT FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, FOR APPROVING A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO UPDATES TO THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT FROM THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND AS YOU SAW IN YOUR PACKET AND THE UPDATES TO PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDING, AND WE DID, THERE HAVE BEEN QUITE A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST WEEK.
UM, MAJORITY OF THESE COMMENTS ARE FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE SADDLE ROCK SUBDIVISION IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THE WAY THE PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS CONDUCTED AND WHETHER THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WITH THIS DESIGN.
THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OF SUPPORT THAT I BELIEVE WERE PART OF THE LAST PACKET OF COMMENTS THAT WERE UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE AT ABOUT NOON TODAY.
BUT I BELIEVE WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE THERE.
SO THERE ARE SOME STILL SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE PUBLIC INPUT AND HOW THIS PROJECT IS ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, SO AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE IT IS A ZONE CHANGE AND A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WE ARE LOOKING FOR HOW THIS PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE CFA PLAN.
ANY OTHER ADOPTED PLANS, INCLUDING YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ACRONYMS ARE.
THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THEY GO SEDONA PLAN, WHICH IS OUR PATHWAYS PLAN, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, OTHER THINGS THE CITY'S ADOPTED, AS WELL AS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ARTICLES 2, 3, 5, 6, AND EIGHT ALL HAVE THINGS THAT DEVELOPMENTS NEED TO COMPLY WITH IN ORDER TO BE FOUND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
AND SAME FINDINGS THAT ARE ON FOR EVERY APPLICATION.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS APPROVALS, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS, INTERGOVERNMENT AGREEMENTS, COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, MINIMIZING IMPACT ON ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS, MINIMIZE, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL AND FINANCIAL IMPACTS COMPLY WITH UTILITY SERVICE AND IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS, PROVIDING ADEQUATE ROAD SYSTEMS, PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES.
AND THAT THERE IS A RATIONAL FACING PLAN.
SO THOSE ARE THE FINDINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MADE IF THE COMMISSION CHOSE TO APPROVE IT, OR THE FINDINGS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO STATE ARE NOT BEING THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO DENY THE PROJECT.
UM, SO AS OUTLINED IN THE MEMO THAT YOU RECEIVED, WE ARE STILL RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, AGAIN, BENJAMIN TATE, WITH, WITH YOU, MORRIS BA 25 25 E SERVES IN A BILTMORE CIRCLE ON BEHALF OF THE BANEY FAMILY, WHO AGAIN, I'M, I'M DELIGHTED TO BE JOINED BY, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, SITTING HERE IN THE FRONT ROW, KURT, UH, ROBIN AND, AND HAYDEN BANEY.
SO, OH, AND COLLIE IS BACK, JUST TO NOTE THAT.
UH, SO MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS, THE COMMISSION, AS YOU KNOW, UH, IN NOVEMBER OF 20 20 23, WE ASKED THIS, UH, BODY FOR A CONTINUANCE TO ADDRESS THE OUTSTANDING AREAS OF NON-COMPLIANCE AS IT RELATED TO BOTH THE, UH, LARGELY THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA, BUT ALSO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND REALLY FOCUSED ON THE CODE ISSUES, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS AT LEAST SOME DISAGREEMENT AS AS TO HOW THIS IS MEETING THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA IN PARTICULAR.
UM, SO OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS, UH, WHICH REALLY, IF YOU CONSIDER, UH, THE FOLLOWING THE POST MEETING AND THEN GOING INTO THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY, THEN TWO OTHER INTERVENING MAJOR HOLIDAYS, WE EFFECTIVELY HAD, UH, FROM THE TIME WE KIND OF GOT UP AND ROLLING AGAIN TO THE TIME WE HAD COMMITTED TO RESUBMITTING THIS TO STAFF IN THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY OF 2024, ABOUT A SIX WEEK TURNAROUND, UH, WE BROUGHT ON ANOTHER ARCHITECT TO HELP, UH, WITH THAT EFFORT, WHICH WAS A, A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO REVISE, UH, WHAT WAS APPROXIMATELY 40 PAGES OF PLAN SHEETS AND, AND A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE, UH, LETTER OF INTENT TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IN MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT I WOULD POINT OUT, JUST TO SET THIS ONE THING ASIDE, AND IF THERE ARE ANY, NOT ASIDE, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT A SPECIFIC AREA OF COMPLIANCE OR NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, BOTH OF OUR ARCHITECTS WOULD BE HERE AND THEN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF THE STAFF ANALYSIS
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ON THIS AS IT RELATES TO THE CODE ISSUES, UH, IS THAT, UH, IT'S NOTED AT THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT THERE THAT THESE AREAS OF NON-COMPLIANCE ARE MINOR AREAS OF NON-COMPLIANCE THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT THROUGH THE BUILDING PROCESS.SO, AGAIN, AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, UH, SMALL ITEMS OF CLARIFICATION ON HOW BUILDING PLANES ARE BEING RELIEVED, HOW WHAT DATA IS BEING USED FOR THE HEIGHT.
UH, BUT AT THIS POINT, STAFF HAS GIVEN YOU STIPULATIONS, UH, THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TONIGHT.
UH, IN THAT SAME TIME, UH, WHEN THESE PLANS AS, AS I MENTIONED, WERE BEING REVIEWED OR REVISED BY OUR TEAM, UH, WE ALSO WENT THROUGH A MASSIVE OVERHAUL OF THE LETTER OF INTENT, UH, TO MORE CLEARLY ARTICULATE THE WAYS IN WHICH THE PROJECT IS IMPLEMENTING THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF NOT ONLY THE CFA, BUT ALSO THE OTHER ADOPTED PLANS THAT CARRIE MENTIONED.
SO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THE SEDONA GO PATHWAYS PLAN, AND, AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IN PARTICULAR, UH, AND, AND I DON'T SAY THIS LIGHTLY, BUT IN, IN, IN TO THAT END, IN THE SEVEN YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, UH, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A STAFF REPORT GO SO FAR OUT OF ITS WAY TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, EVERY IMPERFECTION AND BLEMISH OF A PROJECT WHILE, UH, DIMINISHING AND DISCREDITING ALL OF THE POSITIVES AND THE, THE POSITIVE BENEFITS THAT THIS PROJECT IS BRINGING.
UM, THIS IS A WORTHY PROJECT, AND, UH, IT'S ONLY GOTTEN BETTER, WHICH I WILL, I'M GONNA BE GOING THROUGH MY PRESENTATION SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT THIS COMMISSION SAW IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS ENCOURAGED, AND IN FACT, OUR WHOLE TEAM WAS ENCOURAGED, I SHOULD SAY, UH, BY MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MADE AT THAT LAST HEARING, RECOGNIZING, UH, SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS THAT THIS PROJECT IS EXTOLLING AS PART OF OUR OVERALL PROPOSAL.
AND SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, UH, IS WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE UPDATES AND THEN SHARE WITH YOU, UH, THE AREAS THAT WE FEEL THAT STAFF'S ANALYSIS, UH, DOES NOT ACCURATELY REFLECT THIS PROJECT AND HOW WE FEEL THAT IT IS MEETING, UH, ALL OF THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF NOT ONLY THE CFA, BUT ALSO THE OTHER ADOPTED PLANS THAT CARRIE HAD MENTIONED.
I'LL SKIP THROUGH THESE BECAUSE, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY COVERED WHERE THIS PROJECT IS AND WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED.
UH, THESE ARE THE RENDERINGS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT TO THE LAST MEETING, UH, WHICH ARE EFFECTIVELY THE SAME.
SO UPDATES, UH, THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, SO THE, THE PLAN SET WAS REVISED AND, AND THIS WAS WHERE BRINGING IN ANOTHER OUR, UH, THE TEAM AT DAVIS ARCHITECTURE TO HELP OUT WAS VERY CRITICAL JUST IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAD TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE, UH, CODE ISSUES.
BUT THE STAFF REPORT TELLS YOU THAT THE REMAINING AREAS OF NON-COMPLIANCE ARE MINOR ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH STIPULATIONS AND ULTIMATELY RESOLVED THROUGH THE BUILDING PROCESS.
AND AT THAT SAME TIME, THE PLAN SET AND LETTER OF INTENT, UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, BEING REVISED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE AREAS, UH, OF THE CFA, IN EFFECT, WHAT WE DID IN AN, IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE IT MORE MUCH CLEARER HOW WE ARE ADDRESSING EACH OF THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF EACH OF THE STRATEGIES WITHIN THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA, UH, WE REFORMATTED THE LOI IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO PERUSE IT, TO EFFECTIVELY MIRROR THE WAY THAT STAFF DOES THEIR ANALYSIS.
SO POLICY STRATEGY, IMPLEMENTATION FOR EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT OF THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA, UH, AND THEN ALSO WORKING, IMPLEMENTING THOSE ELEMENTS INTO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THE S SEDONA GO PATHWAYS PLAN, UH, AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
BUT IN ADDITION TO MAKING ALL OF THOSE REVISIONS THAT WE'RE ALL, UH, RESPONSIVE TO STAFF COMMENTS, UH, TWO OTHER FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT THINGS HAVE OCCURRED.
THE BANEY HAVE MADE, UH, WHAT I BELIEVE ARE SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL COMMITMENTS IN THE WAY OF SUSTAINABILITY, WHICH I'LL COVER.
UH, BUT ALSO WE'VE HAD SOME VERY, UH, FRUITFUL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE HISTO, THE SEDONAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION SOCIETY, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WHICH IS HERE TONIGHT.
UH, AND THEY HAVE ACCEPTED, UH, OUR PROPOSAL FOR A $25,000 ENDOWMENT, UH, THAT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
UH, SO THAT PROVIDES THEM WITH THE FUNDING, UH, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THEM, NOT ONLY TO IMPROVE, UH, COOK CEMETERY AND CREATE AS, UH, IN MY CONVERSATION WITH, UH, MR. MYERS TO MAKE THE COOK CEMETERY FEEL AS IMPORTANT AS IT IS, UH, WHICH IS IN LARGE PART THE NATURE OF THE GIFT, BUT ALSO OUR ONGOING, UH, COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH THEM TO IMPROVE NOT ONLY THE CEMETERY ITSELF, BUT ACCESS, UH, TO THE CEMETERY, UH, SITE PLAN UPDATES.
KERRY COVERED MANY OF THESE, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH THEM.
SO I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, MENTIONED REPEATEDLY IN THE PREVIOUS STAFF REPORT, IS THE VEHICULAR CONNECTION TO ELK ROAD.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS MENTIONED, UH, REPEATEDLY IN THE, THE, UM, SOLDIERS PASS CFA PLAN AS, AS, AS A PRIORITY FOR THIS AREA.
AND IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH CARRIE, IN PARTICULAR, AFTER THE LAST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THAT THE,
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THE INSISTENCE OR THE, THE DE THE, I WOULD SAY, STRONG DESIRE FOR STAFF TO SEE THIS CONNECTION OCCUR, UH, IS THAT IF, IF WE DON'T PROVIDE IT NOW AND THERE IS FURTHER REDEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF US AND TO THE WEST OF US, UH, IT EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATES THE FUTURE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT WITHIN THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA PLAN, WHICH IS OFF HIGHWAY VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION.SO THE CARS DON'T HAVE TO USE 89 A TO GET EAST TO WEST, UH, THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR.
UH, WE DID ADD A FULL FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON ELK ROAD, WHICH HAD PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY BEEN A THREE FOOT GRAVEL PATH, DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC BIKE RACKS FROM 20 TO 40, 20 BEING THE CODE MINIMUM, UH, AND 40 NOW BEING PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UH, ADDITIONAL SEATING AREAS ALONG PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS, AS CARRIE MENTIONED.
TWO COMMERCIAL LOADING ZONES, PERMANENT COMMERCIAL LOADING ZONES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
IN, UH, ADDITIONALLY A TEMPORARY OR A SHORT TERM LOADING ZONE, UH, IN THE PORTES SHARE THAT STILL PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDS WHAT THE BANEY WILL NEED, UH, IN TERMS OF THEIR HOTEL OPERATIONS AND HOW OFTEN, BASED ON THEIR MODELS AT ALL OF THEIR OTHER HOTELS, THEY NEED 50 FOOT COMMERCIAL LOADING ZONE SPACES LIKE THIS.
UH, BUT STILL NONETHELESS, PROVIDING TWO PERMANENT ONES AND A, A SHORT TERM SPACE.
WE ADDED DUMPSTERS TO THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT.
THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN THAT WAS ADDRESSED, UH, IN THESE STAFF COMMENTS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH DUMPSTERS, DUMPSTERS TO SERVE THE WHOLE SITE.
SO NOW BOTH THE MULTIFAMILY SOUTH AND MULTIFAMILY NORTH HAVE THEIR OWN DUMPSTERS.
UH, AND FINALLY, UH, ENHANCED STRIPING AND MATERIALS, UH, AT THE CROSSWALKS, AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOLDIERS, UH, SOLDIERS PASS AND STATE ROUTE 89 A, UH, SUBJECT TO EIGHT OUT APPROVAL.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS, UH, IN THE STAFF REVIEW AND ALSO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOTICE NO NOTICED IN THE CFA PLAN, UH, WAS ENHANCED CROSSWALKS ALONG 89 A.
UH, AND SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WERE POTENTIAL, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO 89 A WERE THINGS LIKE ROUNDABOUTS AND MEDIANS, UH, EITHER OF WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A MUCH LARGER, MORE COORDINATED PLAN WITH ADOT AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, UH, BEFORE YOU COULD START PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE MEDIANS, ROUNDABOUTS ONTO THE WEST 89 A SUSTAINABILITY.
SO THESE ARE ALL THE MEASURES THAT WERE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT.
SO RAINWATER HARVESTING INTEGRATED INTO ALL THE HOTEL BUILDINGS, UH, SOLAR PANELS ON THE PARKING AREA, CANOPIES, WHICH YOU SEE HERE, UH, A TOTAL OF 10 ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS.
SO FOUR ON THE UPPER LEVEL OF THE GARAGE, TWO ON THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE GARAGE, AND THEN TWO ON THE SURFACE PARKING LOT IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
UH, DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING WAS PART OF THE PLAN BEFORE IT'S STILL PART OF THE PLAN.
NOW, IF YOU, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED IN SOME OF THE OPPOSITION COMMENTS YOU RECEIVED FROM THE NE UH, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WAS CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHTING AND IN PARTICULAR LOSING THAT DARK SKY ELEMENT, UH, OF THIS AREA.
I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IS NOT TRUE.
UH, AND ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE ARE FULLY IN COMPLIANT WITH THE, THE LDC, UH, IN STAFF'S REVIEW IS LIGHTING.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS SITE NOT BEING DARK SKY COMPLIANT, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IS NOT TRUE.
THESE WERE ALL OF THE GREEN HOTEL, UH, SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES THAT WERE MENTIONED IN OUR PREVIOUS LOI AND WE ARE STILL COMMITTING TO TODAY, UH, FROM IN-ROOM RECYCLING TO COMPOSTING FOOD WASTE, LOW FLOW BATHROOM FIXTURES, ENERGY STAR APPLIANCES, AUTOMATIC LIGHTING, EV CHARGING STATIONS.
AND NOW THIS IS A LIST OF THE ADDITIONAL SUSTAINABILITY COMMITMENTS THAT WE HAVE MADE.
UH, IN THE INTERIM, THE, THE LAST ONE AT THE BOTTOM IS A BRAND NEW ONE.
THIS IS NOT IN THE LOI, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMMIT TO AS PART OF A STIPULATION.
UH, BUT I'LL START FROM THE TOP.
SO, AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, 'CAUSE IT WAS NEW INFORMATION TO ME, BUT IT HADN'T BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE LOI AND IT'S THE AT OTHER HOTELS THAT, THAT, UH, OXFORD SUITES AND THE BEYS OPERATE, UH, THEY'VE GONE COMPLETELY AWAY FROM SINGLE USE PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES IN FAVOR OF A COMPANY THAT THEY'VE PARTNERED WITH CALLED PATH, UH, AND PATH MAKES ALUMINUM REUSABLE WATER BOTTLES, UH, THAT CAN BE REUSED HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS OF TIMES ONCE YOU BUY 'EM.
THEY'RE NOT TERRIBLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A SINGLE USE WATER BOTTLE.
UH, YOU CAN BUY 'EM IN THE HOTEL GIFT SHOP.
THEY PROVIDE 'EM COMPLIMENTARY IN THE ROOMS, UH, TO COMPLETELY REPLACE PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES.
BUT AS A WAY OF TAKING THAT COMMITMENT, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETHING FAIRLY DIFFICULT FOR A CITY TO REGULATE, UH, AS FAR AS NOT USING VERSUS USING PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES.
UH, WE ARE ALSO COMMITTING TO, AS A WAY OF SUPPORTING THAT EFFORT, A MINIMUM OF FIVE FILTERED WATER BOTTLE FILL STATIONS IN THE HOTEL, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE REGULATED AND CHECKED THROUGH A, A INSPECTION PROCESS WITH THE CITY.
UH, ADDITIONALLY COLD WATER, HOTEL LAUNDRY SYSTEM.
THIS IS SOMETHING THEY'VE DONE SUCCESSFULLY AT OTHER HOTELS, WHICH COMPLETELY ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR HOT WATER IN THEIR LAUNDRY SYSTEM, WHICH IS AN ENORMOUS CONSUMER OF NATURAL GAS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DIRECTLY, UH, RECOMMENDED.
NOT, NOT THE COLD WATER LAUNDRY SYSTEM, BUT THE RE REDUCTION IN NATURAL GAS CONSUMPTION.
SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE IN THAT MEMO FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA, UM, COMPLIMENTARY HOTEL SHUTTLE SERVICE WITHIN A FIVE MILE RADIUS.
COMPLIMENTARY BIKE RENTALS FOR HOTEL GUESTS, LEAK DETECTION DEVICES ON HOTEL SUPPLY OR ON WATER SUPPLY LINES.
AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WAS DIRECTLY RECOMMENDED BY THE
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SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE, UH, SOLAR READY BUILDING ROOFTOPS.SO IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL SOLAR THAT WE WILL BE CONSTRUCTING ON THE CANOPIES OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH WILL P UH, POWER A NUMBER OF ESSENTIAL ONSITE FUNCTIONS, UH, THEY'RE NOW ALSO COMMITTING TO PUTTING IN THE CONDUIT JUNCTION BOXES AND NECESSARY SUPPORT STRUCTURES ON THE REMAINING BUILDINGS, UH, FOR ROOFTOP SOLAR ON THE BUILDINGS, IF IT, UH, PRESENTS ITSELF AS SOMETHING THAT IS FINANCIALLY VIABLE FOR THE PROJECT, UH, ENROLLMENT IN A PS IN, IN FACT, RATHER THAN ME JUST SAYING IT AT THE END OF EVERYTHING, ANYTIME YOU SEE THREE GREEN STARS NEXT TO SOMETHING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE THAT WE'VE NOW INCORPORATED.
SO ENROLLMENT IN THE A PS GREEN CHOICE PROGRAM, UH, WE'RE ADDING 20 EV READY SPACES IN ADDITION TO THE 10 EV SPACES THAT WE WILL BE CONSTRUCTING.
SO AGAIN, CONDUIT INJUNCTION BOXES, SO THAT IT'S AS SIMPLE AS BUYING THE CHARGING EQUIPMENT AND, UH, OPENING UP THAT JUNCTION BOX AND PLUGGING IT IN.
SO PLUG AND PLAY IS ABOUT AS SIMPLE AS IT GETS, UH, PERMEABLE PABLE PAVERS ON ALL INTERIOR INTERNAL WALKWAYS.
UH, ONE THING THAT WAS NOT NOTED IN THE UPDATED STAFF REPORT THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED AGAIN BY THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WEREN'T DOING, WHICH IS THE RECYCLING OF CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO THE, THE BANEY WILL UTILIZE A, A CONTRACTOR WHO WILL DO THAT.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE, UH, FOUND OR NOT FOUND, IT'S NOT LIKE WE DISCOVERED IT.
UM, THE COCONINO COUNTY HAS A CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN.
YOU CAN PULL IT STRAIGHT OFF OF THEIR WEBSITE.
UH, IT'S A FAIRLY THOROUGH MATRIX OF EACH TYPE OF BUILDING MATERIAL AND THEN ESSENTIALLY A CHART FOR WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, WHERE IT GOES, HOW IT'S BEING DISPOSED OF, UH, SO THAT YOU HAVE A, A, A VERY THOROUGH PLAN FOR HOW BUILDING MATERIALS AND EXCESS BUILDING MATERIALS IN, IN PARTICULAR ARE BEING DEALT WITH.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED INTO THE LOI AND SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SUBMIT PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION FOR CITY STAFF TO HAVE ON FILE.
UH, AND FINALLY, AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T IN THE LOI, UH, BUT AGAIN, IF, IF IT'S THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE IS HAP SOMETHING WE WOULD HAPPILY INCLUDE IN A STIPULATION, UH, THAT THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL BE BUILT TO A LEAD SILVER STANDARD.
UM, AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, THE ACTUAL CERTIFICATION PROCESS IS A BIT OF AN EXTORTION PROCESS, UH, AND EXORBITANTLY EXPENSIVE, UM, FOR NOT REALLY GETTING ANY ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OTHER THAN BEING ABLE TO SAY THAT YOU'RE LEAD CERTIFIED, UH, YOU'RE STILL BUILDING TO THE SAME STANDARD.
IT STILL HAS THE SAME ULTIMATE BENEFIT TO THE, THE LONGEVITY OF THE PROJECT AND THE SUSTAIN THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THE CERTIFICATION.
SO THAT'S ONE ADDITIONAL SUSTAINABILITY COMMITMENT SINCE WE SUBMITTED THE LOI.
OH, DID THAT JUMP AHEAD? ONE SLIDE.
SO THAT IS GOING REALLY QUICKLY.
SO FOR THE CFA ANALYSIS, WHAT I'VE DONE, UH, IS EFFECTIVELY COLOR CODED AND, AND NOTE THE ONES THAT STAFF'S FOUND THAT WERE FULLY COMPLIANT, ONES THAT WERE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT, AND THE ONES IN WHICH WERE NON COMPLIANT.
UH, SO 21 AREAS OF THE CFA, WE'VE, WE ARE FOUND TO BE FULLY COMPLIANT.
11, THAT WE ARE FOUND TO BE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT.
ONE THAT HAS TO DO WITH EXISTING ONSITE LIGHTING IS JUST NOT APPLICABLE 'CAUSE THERE IS NONE.
AND, AND THEN ONE, UH, IN WHICH WE WERE FOUND TO BE, UH, NON-COMPLIANT.
SO THE, THE FIRST OF THOSE, UH, IS THAT, UH, IT'S THE STRATEGY THAT THE, WE MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF THE COMMERCIAL LAND USES ON THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS USING A VARIETY OF METHODS, TOUCHES, BUILDING DESIGN, SITE LAYOUT, AND LANDSCAPING.
UH, AND THE STAFF COMMENT ON THIS, AND THAT WE WERE STILL FOUND TO JUST BE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT IS THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.
UM, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IN THAT RESPECT.
THE FIRST IS THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED WITH FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE, MEANING THAT VERSUS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD BUILD TODAY BY, RIGHT, WITH THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONING, WHICH YOU WOULD LIKELY HAVE BACK OF HOUSE FUNCTIONS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT.
THE SITE THAT FACES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS LIKE COMMERCIAL LOADING ZONES, THE, THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE ON THE BACKSIDES OF THINGS LIKE GROCERY STORES, FOR EXAMPLE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DESIGNED TO BE VISIBLE FROM ALL SIDES THAT IT'S GOING TO BE TRAVELED AND, AND TRAVERSED ON ALL SIDES.
SO IT IS FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE IN THE TRUEST SENSE OF THE WORD, AND A MORE THOROUGH EXPLANATION WAS GIVEN IN THE UPDATED LOI OF HOW, UH, WE ARE MITIGATING THE IMPACT OF THESE BUILDINGS IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.
SO THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THE SLOPE OF THE SITE, WHICH DOES SLOPE FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH, UH, WHICH BY ESSENTIALLY ALLOWING OUR BUILDINGS TO KIND OF RIDE DOWN THAT SLOPE IS ACTUALLY LOWERING THE EFFECT OF HEIGHT OF THOSE BUILDINGS OR THE PERCEIVED HEIGHT OF THOSE BUILDINGS RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THE LODGING BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY FACE THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE ONES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ALL HAVE SETBACKS THAT EXCEED, UH, THE STANDARDS IN THE LDC.
THE CLOSEST LODGING BUILDING TO THE NEAREST SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS 50 FEET, AND THAT EXTENDS UP TO 115 FEET AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, UM, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE BROKEN UP IN A WAY THAT SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THEIR MASSING.
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HAVE ANY LODGING BUILDING THAT EXCEEDS, I THINK IT'S 34 ROOMS. UH, SO ALL OF OUR LODGING BUILDINGS ARE BROKEN UP INTO SMALLER BUILDINGS TO REDUCE THEIR MASSING, TO REDUCE THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THOSE BUILDINGS.BUT AGAIN, THE ORIENTATION OF THOSE BUILDINGS, AND I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST HEARING IF I DIDN'T, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I ARTICULATED MORE THOROUGHLY IN THE LOI IS THAT WHEN THESE BUILDINGS WERE ORIENTED ON OUR SITE PLAN, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOES BACK SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THE SITE PLAN, OUR ARCHITECTS WENT AND LOOKED AT THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH IS REALLY THAT CUL-DE-SAC OF FOUR HOMES THAT'S RIGHT THERE JUST SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, AND LOOKED AT WHERE THEIR WINDOWS WERE AND WHERE THEIR FRONT DOORS WERE AND HOW THEY WERE ORIENTED AND THEN ORIENTED OUR BUILDINGS.
AND YOU LOOK AT, THERE'S NOT A UNIFORM BUILDING ON SITE AS IT RELATES TO, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE BUILDING THAT ALIGNS WITH THE STREET IN ANY DIRECTION OR ANOTHER.
THEY ALL HAVE KIND OF ODD ANGLES TO THEM.
THOSE BUILDINGS WERE ORIENTED TO ALIGN WITH THOSE VIEW CORRIDORS FROM THOSE HOMES SO THAT WE WEREN'T BLOCKING THOSE VIEW SHEDS.
AND YOU'LL FIND, AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT I THINK IS MOST PERPLEXING AS IT RELATES TO PRESERVING THOSE VIEW CORRIDORS, IS THAT LATER IN THE CFA ANALYSIS, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, UH, WHAT GOAL IT IS, SENSE OF PLACE STRATEGY ONE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT, WHAT PAGE IT'S ON, BUT WE'RE FOUND TO BE FULLY IN, FULLY COMPLIANT, UH, AS IT RELATES TO MITIGATING THE IMPACT OF OUR BUILDINGS AND PRESERVING VIEW SHEDS WHEREVER WE CAN.
SO I FIND IT SLIGHTLY CONTRADICTORY THAT WE'RE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT HERE AND FULLY COMPLIANT THERE.
COMPATIBLE LAND USES, UH, SO THIS IS ONE WHERE, UH, IT RELATES TO THE PARTIAL COMPLIANCE, I SHOULD SAY RELATES TO THE, UH, THE LACK OF COMMUNITY SPACES.
AND THIS IS A BIT OF A EX, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE MY EXPRESSION HERE, BUT DAMNED IF WE DO, DAMNED IF WE DON'T.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, IF, IF ANY OF YOU WERE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WHEN THIS WENT THROUGH CONCEPT REVIEW YEARS AGO, AND ACTUALLY THROUGH SEVERAL REVIEWS OF THE SITE, WE HAD ITERATIONS OF THIS PROJECT THAT HAD VERY SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY SPACES TO THEM, LARGE PLAZAS.
AND I, I CAN GO THROUGH SEVERAL SITE PLANS HERE THAT SHOW THEM.
AND THE REASON THAT THOSE PLAZAS WENT AWAY IS THAT, AND I MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE SAT DOWN WITH STAFF IN FEBRUARY OF 2020 TO, TO JUST ASK WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE OUT OF THIS PROJECT.
AND THEY PROVIDED US, AND I SHOWED THEM AT THE LAST MEETING THOSE BUBBLE PLANS WHERE WE WERE GOING FROM A TRUE MIXED USE PROJECT THAT HAD COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, LODGING TO A JUST RESIDENTIAL AND LODGING PROJECT, UH, STAFF, UH, GAVE US DIRECTION TO PRIORITIZE MORE RESIDENTIAL AND MORE, UH, MULTIFAMILY OVER LARGE COMMUNITY SPACES.
AND THAT WAS DIRECTION THAT WE FOLLOWED WITH THESE PLANS.
AND SO THE REASON THAT THOSE COMMUNITY SPACES DISAPPEARED IS BECAUSE WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION TO PRIORITIZE HOUSING, WHICH WE'VE DONE OVER LARGER COMMUNITY SPACES.
WE'RE STILL PROVIDING COMMUNITY SPACES.
THEY MAY NOT BE AS BIG OR AS GRAND OR AS, UH, SIGNIFICANT AS PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE PROJECT, BUT THEY DO EXIST, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UH, SO OBVIOUSLY, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY WHERE THE, AGAIN, THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, ONE OF THE AREAS IS OF PARTIAL COMPLIANCE ON THIS, IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING A HOTEL IN A CFA, UH, THAT NO LONGER ENCOURAGES LODGING AS ONE OF ITS USES FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND I, I, I WON'T BEAT IT AT HORSE HERE, BUT I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE REITERATED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME THIS PROJECT WAS UNDER REVIEW, UH, AND THE TIME THAT THE BANEY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AND PURSUED THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WASN'T ENCOURAGED USE.
AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF LONG RANGE PLANNING DOCUMENTS LIKE THIS IS LONG RANGE PLANNING.
IT'S TO PROVIDE A SIGNAL TO FUTURE DEVELOPERS AND FUTURE PROPERTY OWNERS OF WHAT USES ARE AND ARE NOT ENCOURAGED ON SITE.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT OF A SHIP TO TURN AROUND WHEN YOU'RE SEVERAL YEARS INTO A PROCESS PROCESS AND HAVE INVESTED CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS IN DESIGN AND REDESIGN AND REDESIGN OF A PROJECT.
UH, SO WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS POSITION TODAY WHERE WE'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH A GOAL THAT WE RELIED UPON IN THE SUBMITTAL OF OUR APPLICATION THAT THE BANEY RELIED UPON IN THE PURCHASE OF THE LAND AND THE DIRECTION THAT THEY CHOSE TO GO WITH THIS PROJECT.
UH, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF YOU REALLY READ BETWEEN THE LINES ON WHAT THE INTENT OF THOSE CFA GOALS WERE, WHICH IS A MIXED USE PROJECT, UH, THAT CONNECTS BETWEEN ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT MINIMIZES THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, THEN THE PLAN THAT YOU'VE GOT IN FRONT OF YOU IS FAR AND AWAY AND SEVERAL MAG MAG ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.
THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I COVERED AT THE LAST MEETING.
I'VE GOT THE TABLES AT THE BACK OF THIS PRESENTATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
UH, BUT EVEN IN THE LEAST INTENSE VERSION OF A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE BY, RIGHT? SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED ON THE SITE, WHICH INCLUDE GAS STATIONS, RETAIL DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS,
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ALL OF THESE COMMERCIAL USES, AND APPLY THEM TO THIS SITE AT EVEN 15% LOT COVERAGE, WHICH IS ONLY A QUARTER OF THE LOT COVERAGE PERMITTED BY THE LDC FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING, IT WOULD PRODUCE FOUR AND A HALF TIMES THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.SO IF WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE MOST RESPONSIBLE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS SITE, AND GETTING AT WHAT REALLY IS THE, THE PRIORITY OF THE CITY WITHIN THE CFA TO MINIMIZE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND CREATE THE MOST RESPONSIBLE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT, IT'S THE PROPOSAL YOU'VE GOT IN FRONT OF YOU, THE HOUSING ANALYSIS.
THIS IS ONE THAT I, THAT IS PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING, I THINK BOTH FOR ME AND FOR, FOR THE BANEY.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE, AND IT ACTUALLY GOES TO, TO ONE OF CARRIE'S SORT OF MAIN OUTSTANDING POINTS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE ADEQUATELY DEMONSTRATED THAT THE HOUSING COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS OBJECTIVELY A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC BENEFIT, 40 TOTAL UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY WITH 28 OF THOSE UNITS BEING COMMITTED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING INCOME QUALIFIED AT 80% OF A MI, UH, THAT THE, THE STANDARD WE'RE BEING JUDGED BY, WHICH IS TO TAKE THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE'RE PROVIDING, THE NUMBER OF, OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE'VE INDICATED THAT THIS PROPERTY WILL HAVE, WHICH IS 30 EMPLOYEES FULL-TIME, OR FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT THAT INCLUDES PART-TIME EMPLOYEES.
SO 30 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEES IS THE TOTAL.
BUT WE'VE ESSENTIALLY BEEN TOLD THROUGH THIS ANALYSIS THAT IF WE HAVE 28 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY AND WE HAVE 30 EMPLOYEES, THAT THAT'S NO NET BENEFIT, AND THAT WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE SOMEHOW STILL PROVIDING A NET BENEFIT DESPITE THE FACT THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE THE SAME.
BUT THAT'S NOT A PUBLISHED STANDARD OR A FORMULA THAT YOU CAN FIND ANYWHERE IN THE LDC, ANYWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN OR ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, CITY OF SEDONAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING GUIDELINES.
WHAT YOU WILL FIND IS THE DIGA GUIDELINES, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND GUIDELINES FOR, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR IS THE ADOPTED STANDARD THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED THE DEVELOPERS USE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE PROVIDING A PUBLIC BENEFIT AS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL.
AND WHAT THE DIGA GUIDELINES SAY IS THAT A, FOR, IF YOU ARE PROVIDING, IF YOU ARE DOING A LODGING DEVELOPMENT, YOU SHOULD BE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS EQUAL TO 12% OF THE LODGING UNITS THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING.
WE ARE PROVIDING 233% OF THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND THAT IS THE ONLY PUBLISHED STANDARD OR GUIDELINE THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS FOR MEASURING WHETHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT.
AND THERE IS NO, AT LEAST I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DATA OR, OR BEEN PROVIDED WITH ANY FORMULA THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS MEASUREMENT THAT WE'RE NOW BEING JUDGED BY IS AN ACCEPTED STANDARD.
BECAUSE FOR ONE, IT ASSUMES THAT ANY EMPLOYEE THAT WE ARE EMPLOYING ON THIS SITE DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, WHICH STATISTICALLY IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT INVENTING PEOPLE HERE.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY LIKELY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE POTENTIALLY COMING TO WORK HERE.
SO, UH, I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THE STANDARD THAT WE HAVE USED FOR CALCULATING THE AMOUNT AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE ARE GONNA PROVIDE ON THE SITE, WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDS THE BIGGEST STANDARD, UH, IS THE ONLY STANDARD THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS ADOPTED OR PUBLISHED OR PUT THE CITY, OR SORRY, PUT THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE AS BEING THE CITY'S STANDARD.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE, AT LEAST WITH NOW, THE WAY THAT THIS ANALYSIS IS BEING DONE, THAT THE GOALPOSTS ARE BEING MOVED A LITTLE BIT.
WALKING AND BIKING IMPROVEMENTS.
SO BIKE AMENITIES, THIS IS ONE AGAIN, WHERE I'M, I'M, I'M PUZZLED HOW THIS IS STILL PARTIALLY COMPLIANT.
WE WERE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT THE LAST TIME AROUND WHEN WE HAD A 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE PATH, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO INCORPORATE AND ALLOW BICYCLES, WHICH THE ANALYSIS CONCEDES.
UH, BUT IT'S STILL FOUND TO BE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE'VE, IN THE LOI DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC BIKE RACKS WE'RE PROVIDING.
SO NOW INSTEAD OF 20, WE'RE PROVIDING 40, WE'VE PROVIDED A DETAILED, UH, DESCRIPTION OF THE BIKE STORAGE ROOM IN THE HOTEL, WHICH CAN HOLD BETWEEN 36 AND 42 BIKES, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU STORE THEM.
AND WILL INCLUDE A BICYCLE FIXIT STATION, WHICH WILL HAVE A GROUND MOUNTED STAND, A TOOLS, AN AIR PUMP, SO THAT THE HOTEL GUESTS ARE NOT USING ANY OF THESE RACKS AND THAT THEY HAVE A PLACE TO STORE THEIR BIKES IF THEY'RE COMING TO VISIT.
AND WE'VE ALSO NOTED IN, IN THE PLANS, UH, THAT THERE WILL BE BIKE STORAGE AREAS WITHIN THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS THEMSELVES, MEANING THAT THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS ARE NOT USING THOSE BIKE RACKS EITHER.
SO ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT, WE'VE MADE ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL COMMITMENTS TO BICYCLE AMENITIES.
AND YET STILL, SOMEHOW THIS IS FOUND TO ONLY BE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT.
UH, THIS IS ONE WE WERE FOUND TO BE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT.
THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY FINDING NODES STAFF HAS PROPOSED A STIPULATION.
AND WHAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UH, IS PROVIDING, PROVIDING
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AREAS THROUGHOUT THE SITE, UH, WHERE PE PEDESTRIANS, PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THE SITE AROUND THE SITE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND NEARBY POINTS OF INTEREST SUCH AS COOK CEMETERY, UH, NEARBY TRAIL HEADS, NEARBY POINTS OF INTEREST.UH, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE LOI FOUR PLACES IN WHICH THOSE WAYFINDING NODES WILL GO, UH, ONE ALONG THE CONNECTOR ROAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, AND ONE ON, I BELIEVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
UH, THIS WAS FOUND TO BE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT BECAUSE WE HADN'T PROVIDED MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THOSE WAYFINDING NODES WILL INCLUDE.
I THINK OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WITH THESE WAYFINDING NODES WAS WE WOULD LIKE STAFF'S INPUT ON WHAT THEY WANT US TO INCLUDE ON THOSE, AND WE WOULD HAPPILY INCLUDE THOSE, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF, UH, ON WHAT ULTIMATELY IS THE CONTENT OF THOSE NODES.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE WAY, EXACTLY THE WAY THAT THE STIP READS, UH, THAT WE ARE AMENABLE TO, OOP, JUMPED ONE AHEAD.
UH, THIS IS, UH, COOK CEMETERY SENSE OF PLACE.
THIS IS THE ONE WE WERE FOUND TO FULLY BE NONCOMPLIANT, AND IT WAS BECAUSE WE HADN'T PROVIDED ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AT THAT POINT, UH, AS TO HOW WE WERE MEETING THIS GOAL.
UH, THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE HAD BEEN WORKING ON, UH, QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST PERIOD OF TIME, UH, WHICH I MENTIONED EARLIER, WHICH IS THAT WE'VE NOW REACHED, UH, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO PROVIDE THEM, UH, WITH THIS $25,000 ENDOWMENT AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM, UH, ON IMPROVEMENTS TO NOT ONLY THE CEMETERY, BUT ACCESS, UH, TO IT.
AND THERE WAS A MENTION THAT WE HAD, WE HADN'T PROVIDED ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON, UH, THE EIGHT SPACE PARKING LOT THAT HAD BEEN IN PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE LOI.
THAT SECTION HAS BEEN COMPLETELY DELETED FROM, UH, THE LATEST VERSION OF THE LOI STAFF IS CORRECT.
UH, THE, THE PARCEL ON WHICH WE HAD CONTEMPLATED IMPROVING THAT PARKING LOT WOULDN'T ACTUALLY ALLOW THAT USE.
UH, SO WE'VE JUST SIMPLY ELIMINATED THAT AND FOUND IT MORE FRUITFUL AND BENEFICIAL TO JUST WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, UM, HISTORIC BUILDING SENSE OF PLACE.
UH, THIS ONE IS FOUND TO BE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT USING ANY OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS THAT HAD BEEN ON THE PREVIOUS BUILDINGS ON SITE.
AND IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH OWNERSHIP, UH, WHEN THEY DID DEMOLISH THOSE STRUCTURES, THEY DID DO AN EVALUATION OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS THEY RECOVERED AS PART OF THAT DEMOLITION.
UH, THERE WAS NOTHING OF SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL VALUE, UH, FROM THOSE BUILDING MATERIALS.
I MEAN, THIS WAS CMU, WHICH IS, UH, CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS.
THIS, THIS STUFF YOU SEE ON ANY GIVEN BLOCK WALL OR, OR STRUCTURE, UH, AND STONE VENEER.
SO NOT THE TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT REALLY LEND THEMSELVES TO HAVING ANY TYPE OF HISTORIC VALUE THAT COULD BE REPURPOSED, UH, IN A NEW SITE.
UH, AND WE WILL COORDINATE WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY ON THE, UH, PERMANENT EXHIBIT THAT WE PLAN ON DOING IN THE LOBBY, UH, TO COMMEMORATE THE COOK'S HOMESTEAD, WHICH WAS ON PART OF THIS SITE.
THE COOK'S HOMESTEAD WAS A MUCH LARGER AREA THAN JUST THIS SITE.
UH, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE, UH, HAVE COMMITTED TO IN THE LOI AND SOMETHING WE WILL WORK WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR INPUT ON WHAT EXACTLY THAT WILL INCLUDE.
UH, THIS IS ONE I ALREADY MENTIONED, UH, WHICH KIND OF REITERATES ITSELF IN THE CFA, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITY SPACES.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION BY STAFF TO PRIORITIZE HOUSING OVER COMMUNITY SPACES.
UH, SO IT MAKES IT AWFULLY CHALLENGING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOTH WHEN WE WOULD BE GIVEN DIRECTION BY STAFF TO PRIORITIZE ONE OVER THE OTHER.
FINALLY, I PROMISE I'M ALMOST DONE, UH, THE THREE OTHER ADOPTED AREA PLANS, UH, AND I, I TOOK THIS SCREENSHOT DIRECTLY FROM THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, WHICH NOTES THAT THE PROPOSAL IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE GOALS AND POLICIES OF OTHER ADOPTIVE PLANS, INCLUDING THE THREE PLANS, UH, THAT HAVE ALREADY NAMED.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ONE WHERE I'M A, A BIT PERPLEXED AS TO HOW WE COULD BE FOUND, JUST POINT BLANK, NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THESE PLANS.
AND THE REASON THAT I SAY THAT IS I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT OUR NOVEMBER, 2023 STAFF REPORT, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SCREENSHOT FOR THIS FIRST ONE.
THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE IS FROM OUR, OUR LAST STAFF REPORT.
AND WHAT IT NOTES, UH, IS THREE AREAS THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN AND ONE AREA IN WHICH WE ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN, UH, SO THAT WE ARE, UH, ELIMINATING OR CONSOLIDATING REDUNDANT DRIVEWAYS, LIMITING LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS.
UH, IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT OFF HIGHWAY CONNECTIONS FOR VEHICLE BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS ARE RECOMMENDED.
THOUGH THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PROJECT TO INCLUDE THIS TYPE OF CONNECTION.
WE ARE NOW PROVIDING THAT, AND IN FACT, WE ARE GOING BEYOND JUST PROVIDING A PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CONNECTION.
WE'RE PROVIDING A VEHICULAR CONNECTION, WHICH WAS, AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WAS OUTLINED IN THE CFA AS AN IMPORTANT GOAL.
SO I STRUGGLE TO SEE HOW WE ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH A PLAN THAT WE HAVE TAKE GONE FROM BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THREE THINGS AND NOT ONE TO NOW ADDING THAT FOURTH THING AND STILL NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE.
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SEDONA GO PATHWAYS PLAN, UM, IT NOTES IN THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH, UH, AREAS IN WHICH WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE, BUT ALSO NOTES THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, IN OUR INTEREST AND IN THE PROJECT'S INTEREST TO ADD THAT EAST-WEST CONNECTION, WHICH IS AGAIN, SOMETHING WE ARE NOW DOING.AND THEN TO FURTHER IMPLEMENT THE PLAN, IT'S RECOMMENDED TO INCLUDE AMENITIES SUCH AS WAYFINDING STATIONS, WHICH WE'VE COMMITTED TO BIKE PARKING, WHICH WE'VE DOUBLED AND INTEGRATION WITH OF TRANSIT WITH BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE.
SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALSO DONE BY ADDING BIKE RACKS AS PART OF THAT ENHANCED LINK STATION THAT WILL BE ON STATE ROUTE 89 A THAT IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO AGAIN, I STRUGGLE TO SEE HOW WE ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH A PLAN THAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY PARTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH AND HAVE NOW ADDED THE REMAINING THINGS THE STAFF HAD ASKED FOR.
AND FINALLY, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
THIS IS ONE WE'RE, AGAIN, I, I STRUGGLE TO SEE HOW WE ARE NOT MEETING THE GOALS AND IMPLEMENTATIONS OF THIS PLAN.
SO THE IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS BROKEN DOWN, WHICH IS THE SCREENSHOT HERE IN THE NOVEMBER, 2023 STAFF REPORT, THE FIRST SET OF BULLETS BEING THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING, UH, WHICH INCLUDED THE AREAS OF, UH, THE, THE USE OF SOLAR ON LANDSCAPING AND EXTERIOR LIGHTING, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, RAINWATER HARVESTING PUMPS, NATIVE PLANTS, RECYCLING AND FOOD WASTE, COMPOSTING.
AND THEN A LIST OF ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, UH, THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS ENCOURAGING.
THE LIST OF BULLET POINTS ON THE LEFT THERE WITH THE GREEN CHECK MARKS ARE ALL OF THOSE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING AND HAVE COMMITTED TO.
SO ENROLLMENT IN THE A PS GREEN CHOICE PROGRAM, SOLAR READY BUILDING, ROOFTOPS COMMITMENT TO RECYCLING, BUILDING MATERIALS BUILDING TO A LEAD SILVER STANDARD, ADDING 20 EV READY SPACES IN ADDITION TO THE 10 EV SPACES, WE'RE PROVIDING LEAK DETECTION DEVICES ON WATER SUPPLY LINES AND PERMEABLE PAVERS ON ALL INTERNAL PATHWAYS.
OOPS, SORRY, I'M LOSING TRACK.
MO WAS GOING THE WRONG WAY, THAT'S WHY.
SO FINALLY, AND THEN I PROMISE I'LL SHUT UP AND GIVE YOU GUYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS IS WHERE THE STAFF REPORT BOILS IT DOWN TO REALLY THOSE FOUR THINGS.
SO THE FIRST BEING WE ARE PROPOSING A LODGING DEVELOPMENT IN A CFA THAT NO LONGER ENCOURAGES ELECTION.
I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON WHICH VERSION OF THE CFA WE SHOULD BE HELD TO, GIVEN THE VERSION OF THE CFA THAT THE BANEY HAVE RELIED UPON AND INVESTED IN RELIANCE UPON THROUGHOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE LIFE LI THE LIFESPAN OF THIS PROJECT.
THE NEXT IS THE LACK OF CLARITY REGARDING THE PROPOSED HOUSING AND WHETHER IT WOULD BE A NET POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE TO THE CITY AS THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED THE REQUESTED INFORMATION REGARDING EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS.
SO TO FULLY CLEAR THE AIR ON THAT, AGAIN, THERE WILL BE 30 EMPLOYEES, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT OR FULL-TIME, OR FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT.
SO THAT INCLUDES YOUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND IT INCLUDES YOUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AND AGAIN, THIS GOES TO THE STANDARD THAT WE ARE BEING HELD TO, IS THAT THERE IS NO MENTION IN STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF OUR HOUSING COMPONENT OF THE DIGA GUIDELINES, WHICH IS THE GUIDELINE THAT IS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND PUBLISHED ON SEDONAS WEBSITE AS BEING THE ACCEPTED OR EXPECTED STANDARD FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS PART OF ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND THAT THEY ARE, THOSE GUIDELINES AS PUBLISH OR STATED IN THOSE GUIDELINES THEMSELVES INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE AND INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A PART OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE PROVIDING 233% OF THAT GUIDELINE.
YET THERE IS NO MENTION OF THAT ANYWHERE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THE STAFF ANALYSIS, AS I MENTIONED, ASSUMES THAT EVERY PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYEE WILL NEED HOUSING, WHICH IS STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
UH, AND THERE IT GOES BACK TO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE ARE FOUND, AGAIN, BEING PARTIALLY AND COMPLIANT WITH THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA.
THERE'S A CFA GOAL, AND I THINK I ACTUALLY JUMPED STRAIGHT OVER IT AND I THINK I SCROLLED TOO QUICKLY.
UH, WHERE IT SAYS THAT THE, SORRY, THE CFA STRATEGY SAYS INCREASING MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN THE SOLDIERS' PAST CFA, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT A NET INCREASE.
IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT A GROSS INCREASE.
IT JUST SAYS, ARE YOU INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN THE SOLDIERS' PAST CFA? YET WE WERE FOUND TO BE PARTIALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT GOAL BECAUSE OF THIS FORMULA RELATED TO OUR NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, WHETHER IT'S A NET GAIN OR A GROSS GAIN, A POLICY GOAL THAT SAYS, ARE YOU INCREASING THAT AMOUNT? THE OBJECTIVE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, THERE ARE CURRENTLY ZERO UNITS OF HOUSING ON THAT SITE.
THERE WILL BE 40 UNITS OF HOUSING ON THAT SITE IF THIS DEVELOPMENT MOVES FORWARD.
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PUBLIC BENEFITS, UH, THIS IS ONE THAT I FIND TO BE PARTICULARLY TROUBLING BECAUSE THE WAY THAT IT'S FRAMED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT THERE IS A LACK OF PUBLIC BENEFIT, SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC BENEFIT BEYOND THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.MANY OF THE ITEMS BEING CLAIMED AS A PUBLIC BENEFIT, SUCH AS THE ROAD CONNECTIONS AND THE SIDEWALK ARE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S TRUE IN CERTAIN RESPECTS.
THERE ARE PARTS OF CHAPTER OR ARTICLE FIVE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UH, CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND PROVIDING THOSE TYPES OF CONNECTIONS.
YES, THOSE ARE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT THE WAY THAT THIS IS BEING ANALYZED, WHICH IS PARTICULARLY TROUBLESOME TO ME, UH, IS THAT STAFF IS TAKING THINGS THAT ARE POLICY GOALS IN DOCUMENTS LIKE THE SOLDIERS PASS CFA PLAN.
UH, THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE IS THE ROADWAY CONNECTION FROM SOLDIERS PASS FROM SADDLE ROCK CIRCUS SOLDIERS PASS THE CONNECTION WE'RE PROVIDING TO THE SIGNAL AND CONSIDERING THAT TO BE A CODE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THERE IS A REVIEW CRITERIA IN THE LDC THAT TALKS ABOUT CONFORMANCE WITH OTHER ADOPTIVE PLANS LIKE THE CFA PLAN, LIKE THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THE SEDONA SEDONA GO PATHWAYS PLAN.
BUT THOSE ARE STILL POLICY DOCUMENTS.
THERE ARE STILL ITEMS THAT USE CONDITIONAL LANGUAGE LIKE SHOULD, THAT ARE ITEMS THAT THE DEVELOPER SHOULD PROVIDE, THAT THAT WILL PROVIDE AN ENHANCED BENEFIT TO THE PROJECT, BUT CANNOT BE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
YOU CAN'T BOOTSTRAP A POLICY DOCUMENT THAT IS NON-REGULATORY TO A REVIEW CRITERIA IN THE LDC AND THEN CALL EVERYTHING THAT'S IN A NON-REGULATORY DOCUMENT REGULATORY.
AND SO WHEN I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT IT WAS PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING TO US AS A DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT MANY OF OUR PUBLIC BENEFITS WERE BEING DISCREDITED OR DIMINISHED IN OR DISMISSED AS NOT BEING PUBLIC BENEFITS BECAUSE THEIR CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN FACT PUBLIC BENEFITS BECAUSE, AND I, EXCUSE ME, LEMME BACKTRACK ON THAT.
THERE ARE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT I WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A PUBLIC BENEFIT, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF WOULD EXCLUDE THOSE BECAUSE WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO THOSE BY THE CODE REGARDLESS.
BUT THINGS LIKE THE CONNECTION TO SOLDIERS PASS IS IN FACT A DEMONSTRABLE PUBLIC BENEFIT.
AND THAT CANNOT BE CONSIDERED A CODE REQUIREMENT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A REVIEW CRITERIA IN THE LDC THAT REQUIRES CONFORMANCE WITH THOSE DOCUMENTS.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THOSE ITEMS, AGAIN, I'M GOING WAY TOO FAST ON THOSE SUCH AS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, SUCH AS THE CONNECTION TO SOLDIERS PASS, SUCH AS THE ENDOWMENT TO THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, UH, WHICH ARE DEMONSTRABLE PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT ARE NOT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO THAT IS A DISTINCTION THAT I WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEARLY, UH, BETWEEN ITEMS THAT ARE IN POLICY, DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN FACT OUTLINED IN THOSE DOCUMENTS AS COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND ACTUAL CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AND FINALLY, UH, AND I'LL BACK UP.
SO NO ONE LOSES TRACK OF THE LANGUAGE, NO EXPLANATION AS TO HOW THE PROPOSED LODGING ZONING AND THIS PROJECT MINIMIZES THE IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT IS FACTUALLY UNTRUE.
ON PAGES 11, 12 13, I WENT BACK AND CHECKED 11, 12, 13, 21, 23, AND 26.
THE LOI ADDRESSES HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THE DESIGNS OF THE BUILDINGS ARE MITIGATING THE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, THE ORIENTATION AND CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDINGS, THE BREAK 'EM UP OF THE BUILDING, MASSING THE ENHANCED SETBACKS OF THE LODGING BUILDINGS, THE USE OF THE PROPERTY SLOPE TO REDUCE THE RELATIVE HEIGHT OF THE LODGING BUILDINGS, THE FORE SIDED ARCHITECTURE, NO BACK OF HOUSE FACING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ONE THING THAT WAS REFERENCED REPEATEDLY IN THE MOST RECENT ROUND OF COMMUNITY COMMENTS WAS A CONCERN ABOUT BALCONIES FACING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAD TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK MYSELF TODAY 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SAY SOMETHING THAT WAS UNTRUE.
WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE PRIVATE BALCONY ANYWHERE ON THIS PROJECT THAT FACES A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE LARGER QUESTION OF THE MOST RESPONSIBLE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE, BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS DAIS, AND IN FACT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT WOULD CONCEDE THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AS SOMETHING IT IS VACANT LAND, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND UNLESS THE CITY INTENDS TO BUY THIS PROPERTY AND TURN IT INTO A PUBLIC PARK, EVEN THEN IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AS SOMETHING.
SO THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT IS THE MOST RESPONSIBLE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY? IS IT DEVELOPMENT UNDER ITS CURRENT ZONING OR IS IT DEVELOPMENT AS SOMETHING ELSE? AND THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER
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ABOUT DEVELOPMENT UNDER OF THIS SITE BUY RIGHT UNDER ITS EXISTING ZONING, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A HALF ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND ONE ACRE OF RESIDENTIAL.AND EVEN IN THE MOST IDYLLIC VERSION OF DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, IF YOU WERE TO USE ONLY A QUARTER OF THE AVAILABLE LOT COVERAGE, YOU WOULD STILL END UP WITH A TRIP GENERATION FOR THIS PROJECT.
THAT IS FOUR AND A HALF TIMES THE NUMBER OF TOTAL TRIPS OF THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
AND THAT IS TO SAY NOTHING OF THE OTHER IMPACTS THAT YOU GET WITH TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THAT I THINK WOULD BE THINGS THAT WOULD BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS WOULD FIND UNDESIRABLE, WHETHER IT'S DRIVE-THROUGHS OR GAS STATIONS OR ANY KIND OF TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL RETAIL USE.
RETAIL IS A HIGH TURNOVER USE.
YOU GET MORE CARS COMING IN AND OUT, YOU GET MORE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT EVERY DAY.
IT IS JUST A BUSIER USE THAN LODGING WHERE PEOPLE COME ONCE IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN THEY CHECK IN AND ONCE IN THE, UH, IN THE MORNING WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING.
I'VE GONE THROUGH THE SUMMARY, UH, ONCE BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING.
UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY IS A 110 UNIT HOTEL THAT IS STAYS WITHIN THE LDCS HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE'S NOTHING ON THIS HEIGHT SITE THAT IS TALLER THAN TWO STORIES WITH 40 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS THE SINGLE LARGEST PROPOSAL OF MULTIFAMILY VIA LODGING DEVELOPER.
THAT IS BY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE THAT HAS EVER EXISTED OR BEEN PROPOSED IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
AND WE WERE ALL HERE FOR THE LAST PRESENTATION, WHICH IDENTIFIED THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA CURRENTLY HAS A SHORTFALL OF 1,260 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
THAT'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER.
AND ALTHOUGH THIS PROJECT DOES NOT SOLVE THAT PROBLEM ENTIRELY, IT IS ONE SMALL STEP TOWARDS THAT SOLUTION.
AND IT'S, AND I'M SURE YOU CAN APPRECIATE THIS AS A COMMISSION, PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING FOR US AS A DEVELOPER TO SIT HERE AND, AND LISTEN TO THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH FROM WHERE WE'RE SITTING, IS A VERY WORTHY PROPOSAL FOR THE, UH, SAFE PLACE TO PARK, UH, DEVELOP, UH, PROPOSAL THAT WAS BEFORE THIS, BUT THAT SO MUCH EFFORT IS BEING PUT INTO A PLAN TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING AND PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY IN THE CITY OF STATE HONOR TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP IN THEIR CARS.
YET STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF A PROJECT THAT WILL INCLUDE 28 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE INCOME QUALIFIED THAT WOULD HOUSE MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE HERE TONIGHT.
AND I'LL JUST LEAVE THAT SUMMARY UP ON THE SCREEN AND, AND I'LL CLOSE BY BY SAYING THIS, UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA CLOSE BY MAKING THIS PERSONAL, BUT BUT NOT IN THE WAY THAT I THINK YOU'RE EXPECTING ME TO MAKE THIS PERSONAL, UH, PERSONAL IN THE SENSE, UH, OF THE FAMILY THAT IS INTENDING TO DEVELOP THIS SITE THAT IS NOW OWNED PARTS OF THIS PROPERTY FOR GOING ON 10 YEARS.
THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF PROPERTY OWNER, THE TYPE OF DEVELOPER THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA WANTS.
AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HAS, THAT HAS ELAPSED SINCE WE FIRST SUBMITTED A CONCEPT PLAN TO THE CITY OF SEDONA ON THIS PROJECT.
THEY'VE PLANNED, BUILT, CONSTRUCTED, AND OPENED THREE OTHER HOTELS IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SO THAT IF THERE'S A, THERE WAS A SENSE THAT THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE OF SQUEEZING THE LAST DOLLAR OUT OF THIS PROPERTY.
IF THIS WAS JUST ABOUT THE, THE BANEY FAMILY TURNING A PROFIT, THEY WOULD'VE PULLED UP STAKES ON THIS PROPERTY A LONG TIME AGO AND, AND DEPLOYED THEIR RESOURCES ELSEWHERE WHERE THEY COULD BE, UH, UTILIZED IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER TO, TO BUILD HOTELS.
BUT THE REASON THAT THEY'VE PERSISTED, THE REASON THAT THEY'VE STAYED AFTER THIS, THE REASON THAT WE ARE NOW BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN TONIGHT AFTER ASKING FOR THIS CONTINUUM IS TO CORRECT MANY OF THESE ISSUES, UH, IS THAT THEY TRULY BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT AND THEY BELIEVE IN THE, IN THE MERITS OF THIS PROJECT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, AS I MENTIONED, AND YOU HEARD ROBIN BANEY TALK ABOUT, UH, IN THE PREVIOUS HEARING, THIS IS A FAMILY WITH DEEP TIES TO THIS COMMUNITY.
GOING BACK TO ROBIN'S CHILDHOOD, THIS IS, THIS IS A FAMILY THAT WILL BE IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME AND WILL BE INCREDIBLE STEWARDS AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY OF SEDONA FOR A LONG TIME IF WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP, UH, IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TAKE A DRINK OF WATER AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
BEFORE, UM, WE MOVE TO QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, I WANTED TO DISCLOSE THAT I'M MEMBER OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, UH, SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM, AND I'M AN OFFICER, UH, OF THE SOCIETY.
I'M ALSO AWARE OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT
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HAVE TAKEN PLACE BETWEEN, UH, THE APPLICANT AND, UM, AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.SO SHOULD WE START ON THIS END? DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? I MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION.
I I, I'M, I'M TRYING AND STRUGGLING WITH THE ISSUE THAT THE LAST TIME YOU MADE THE PRESENTATION, UM, UH, STAFF WAS RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT.
AND, UH, YOU ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE.
SOME OF US DID NOT VOTE FOR THAT CONTINUANCE.
BUT YOU, YOU WERE GIVEN THAT CONTINUANCE.
MY EXPECTATION TONIGHT WAS TO COME BACK AND THAT THERE WOULD, WHATEVER QUESTIONS, WHATEVER NEEDED TO BE WORKED OUT SOMEHOW WOULD BE WORKED OUT.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND, AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME, WHY STAFF IS SAYING ONE THING AND YOU'RE SEEING IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF IS SAYING WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
IS THERE NO COMMUNICATION GOING ON? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NO COMMUNICATION, THEY'RE JUST GUESSING TO WHAT EACH OTHER WANTS.
UM, MY EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU'D BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE.
AND ANNA, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT, AND YET I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND YOUR YOUR REASONS BACK AND FORTH.
UM, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE RUN INTO VERY MUCH WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS STRONGLY ADVOCATING FOR IT OR IN THIS CASE AGAINST IT.
AND, UM, SO MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND, IS THERE A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM? UM, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER HURST, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, UH, THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID AFTER THIS LAST, LAST COMMISSION MEETING, UH, WAS REQUEST A MEETING WITH, WITH STAFF, WITH CARRIE, UH, WHICH WE DID.
SO WE WENT DOWN, I BELIEVE THE WEEK AFTER THE MEETING OR UP, LET'S GET THOSE TWO MIXED UP, EXCUSE ME.
UM, AND SAT DOWN WITH CARRIE TO WALK THROUGH COMMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH OUR NEW, WITH OUR ADDITIONAL ARCHITECT.
WE BROUGHT ON BOARD AND TALKED THROUGH HOW WE WERE GONNA ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE CODE ISSUES.
AND I, I REALLY WANNA BIFURCATE THESE TWO THINGS BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE REALLY TWO QUESTIONS HERE.
THERE'S THE CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES, WHICH STAFF HAS NOW SAID ARE MINIMAL ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH STIPULATIONS.
AND THEN THERE'S THE CFA COMPLIANCE ISSUES, WHICH ARE KIND OF AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ANIMAL, BUT I DIGRESS.
SO WE HAD THAT MEETING WITH STAFF NOT LONG AFTER THE, THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING.
I BELIEVE IT WAS THE WEEK AFTER TWO WEEKS, WHICH TOOK US, SORRY, TWO WEEKS AFTER.
UM, WE KIND OF HAD OUR FEEDBACK ON HOW WE WERE GONNA ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE CODE ISSUES.
'CAUSE THE, THE BULK OF THAT MEETING WAS THE, WAS THE CODE ISSUES BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT OUR ARCHITECT WAS GOING TO ADDRESS.
UH, AND THE ARCHITECT GOT TO WORK THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY, CAME AROUND, HAD A FEW WEEKS TO WORK BEFORE THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY.
UH, OUR ARCHITECT DID REQUEST ANOTHER MEETING WITH STAFF, UH, AND WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS JUST SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THAT.
AND, UH, WE WENT ON OUR WAY AND CONTINUED TO ADDRESS THEM IN THE BEST WAY THAT WE COULD.
AND AGAIN, FROM EFFECTIVELY, FROM THE TIME WE SAT DOWN WITH STAFF IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER TO THE TIME WE HAD AFTER THE NEW YEAR'S HOLIDAY TO RESUBMIT WAS EFFECTIVELY A SIX WEEK PERIOD OF TIME, UH, TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE CODE ISSUES.
AND THEN ALSO BOTH THROUGH THE PLANS AND THROUGH ADDITIONAL EXPLANATION IN THE CFA, OR SORRY, IN THE LOI ADDRESS WHAT WE SAW AS THE REMAINING ISSUES, UH, RELATED TO CFA COMPLIANCE.
BUT I THINK THAT IS WHERE THERE'S THE BIGGEST DISCONNECT BETWEEN OUR POSITION AND STAFF'S POSITION IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CFA PLAN.
THERE ARE SOME, AND AGAIN, I THINK I MUST HAVE JUST BLEW THROUGH STRAIGHT THROUGH A SLIDE THAT I FOUND TO BE ONE THAT WAS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT, BUT I'LL, I'LL REFERENCE IT NOW BECAUSE I DIDN'T DO IT IN MY PRESENTATION.
HAS TO DO WITH A CFA POLICY, OR SORRY, A CFA STRATEGY THAT SAYS THAT THEY ENCOURAGE THE USE OF SOLAR ON BUILDINGS, ENCOURAGE, THERE'S NO PERCENTAGE ASSIGNED TO IT, THERE'S NO, UH, SCOPE ASSIGNED TO IT.
IT SIMPLY SAYS THAT SOLAR IS ENCOURAGED.
EVEN IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS PLAN, WE WERE COMMITTING TO NOT JUST DOING SOLAR READY, BUT DOING ACTUAL SOLAR CANOPIES ON OUR PARKING STRUCTURE THAT WE IDENTIFIED NOT ONLY AS AREAS WHERE WE WERE BUILDING SOLAR, BUT WHAT THAT SOLAR WOULD POWER, WHICH WERE ESSENTIAL ONSITE FUNCTIONS LIKE LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION CONTROLS,
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UH, THE PUMPS ON OUR RAINWATER HARVESTING SYSTEM, LIGHTING IN THE PARKING GARAGE.THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE DEMONSTRABLE SUSTAINABILITY GOALS THAT ARE BEING MET.
YET WE WERE FOUND TO ONLY BE PARTIALLY IN COMPLIANT WITH THAT GOAL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT GOAL BECAUSE WE WEREN'T DOING ANY SOLAR ON THE BUILDINGS.
AND THAT ONE, FRANKLY ASTONISHES ME.
I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN HAVE A POLICY GOAL THAT JUST ENCOURAGES SOLAR.
WE'RE PROVIDING SOLAR AND STILL FOUND TO ONLY BE PARTIALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT STRATEGY.
AND SO THAT'S AN AREA COMMISSIONER HURST, WHERE I THINK THERE'S JUST DAYLIGHT BETWEEN STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THIS, WHICH IS IN SOME PLACES BRUTALLY UNSPARING AND WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING TO MEET THAT GOAL.
CAN I COMMENT AS WELL? MM-HMM,
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, UM, THE CHECKLIST THAT YOU HAVE THAT DETERMINE THAT HAVE OUR EVALUATION OF PARTIALLY COMPLIANT, NOT COMPLIANT.
WE ONLY WILL CHECK FULLY COMPLIANT IF THE PLANS AS SUBMITTED ARE FULLY COMPLIANT.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, IF IT'S BEING ADDRESSED THROUGH A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THAT WILL BE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT.
SO EVEN IF WE'VE PROPOSED A, UM, A CONDITION THAT THAT ADDRESSES IT, THAT WOULD MAKE THE PROJECT FULLY COMPLIANT AS CONDITIONED, WE WILL CHECK THAT AS PARTIALLY COMPLIANT.
UM, AND WE DO A THOROUGH EVALUATION OF THE PLANS AND PART OF WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DOES, AND WHAT STAFF DOES IS TRY TO WEIGH THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE PROJECT IS OFFERING.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE DON'T WANNA CHECK A FULLY COMPLIANT BY EVEN, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT AN APPLICANT MIGHT SEE AS A MINOR NONCOMPLIANCE ISSUE.
IF IT'S NOT FULLY COMPLIANT, WE WILL CHECK THAT PARTIALLY COMPLIANT BOXES.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A RANGE IN THERE OF THE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT.
AS FAR AS, UM, A TYPICAL REVIEW OF A PROJECT, THIS PROJECT HAS A DESIGNATION, AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR PROJECT, DOCUMENTS OF PZ 19.
THAT MEANS THIS PROJECT WAS STARTED IN 2019.
MM-HMM,
UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED VARIOUS COMMENTS, AND SO TYPICALLY YOU WOULD NOT SEE A PROJECT AT THIS STAGE BECAUSE WE WOULD BE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WITH THIS PROJECT.
WE, UM, OFFERED THOSE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE REVIEW PROCESS AND WERE, THEY WERE NOT TAKEN UP ON IT.
SO AFTER A COUPLE ROUNDS OF PROVIDING THE SAME COMMENTS, NOT HAVING A MEETING, GETTING A RESUBMITTAL WITHOUT THE COMMENTS BEING ADDRESSED, UM, WE STAFF DETERMINED THAT IT WAS TIME TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD TO A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GETTING THOSE ANSWERS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY TYPICALLY YOU WOULDN'T SEE THIS BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE MORE COMMUNICATION, UM, BEFORE YOU SEE THE PROJECT AND THE TIME BETWEEN THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND THIS ONE.
THERE REALLY WASN'T TIME FOR THAT BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GET A PROJECT IN AND TO REVIEW IT AND TO PREPARE THE STAFF MEMO THERE, THERE JUST WASN'T THE TIME TO HAVE THAT BACK AND FORTH THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE BEFORE YOU SEE IT.
BUT BECAUSE THIS WAS CONTINUED TO THIS SPECIFIC DATE, WE, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE OF HAVING THOSE TYPES OF BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATIONS.
ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SH SHANNON, IS SHE STILL HERE? YOU KNOW,
MAYBE WHEN WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IT WILL ABOUT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL LODGING HERE, BUT IT'S CURIOUS.
UM, THE CITY HAS TALKED ABOUT THERE BEING DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE PIPELINE, UM, INCLUDING PURCHASE OF SOME OLDER PROBABLY, UH, HOTELS TO BE LODGING UNITS, CURRENT LODGING UNITS TO BE USED FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING OR FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ALL ARE IN THE, IN THE PIPELINE, BUT APPARENTLY THEY EXIST.
CAN YOU GIMME AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY LODGING UNITS WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF CIRCULATION IF THOSE MATERIALIZE? SO THERE'S ONLY ONE PROJECT PROPOSED LIKE THAT.
UM, IT'S A 24 UNIT HOTEL, AND WE ACTUALLY JUST LEARNED TODAY THAT HOUSING SOLUTIONS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA DID NOT GET AWARDED THE FUNDING THEY APPLIED FOR, FOR THAT PROJECT.
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UM, SOMEWHAT TO WILL'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VARIOUS MOTIONS THAT ARE DRAFTED FOR US, ONE OF WHICH, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IF I LIKE MANY THINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT, MANY THINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT, UM, WOULD REQUIRE SOME DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS TO GET TO, UM, LET'S SAY A FULL STAFF APPROVAL.DO THE OWNERS DO, DO YOU ALL AGREE WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS? YOU KNOW, WHICH ONES THEY ARE, RIGHT? THEY HAD PURPLE AND ALL.
SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AGREE TO ALL THOSE? YEAH.
MADAM CHAIR, UH, VICE CHAIRMAN? UH, YES.
THE, THE COMMITMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE THROUGH THE LOI ARE NOT SUPERFICIAL.
UH, THEY'RE COMMITMENTS THAT WE INTEND TO MAKE.
AND IF WE HAVE TO MEMORIALIZE THOSE THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEN YES.
AND I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU'D MET, OBVIOUSLY YOU'D MET WITH THIS HISTORICAL SOCIETY, WE JUST HEARD ABOUT, UM, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AND I GATHER YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T MET WITH, UM, SHANNON, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, WITH HOUSING, MADAM CHAIR, VICE CHAIR? THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.
I THINK JUST WE'RE WAITING TO KIND OF SEE IF THIS HAS A PULSE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
UM, BECAUSE IF THE, AGAIN, THE COMMITMENTS IN THE LOI, UH, WHICH INCLUDE THOSE 28 UNITS BEING AT 80% OF A MI FOR MINIMUM OF 50 YEARS, ALL OF THE, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE, AGAIN, VERY CLEARLY OUTLINED IN THE DIGA GUIDELINES.
YEAH, I HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
AFFORDABLE, UM, I'M SORRY, DO YOU WANNA COME UP AND MAKE A COMMENT? YES.
JUST GO TO THE CENTER PODIUM IF YOU WILL.
STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
HAYDEN MANNEY FROM BEND, OREGON.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ON THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PORTION OF THAT.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED OUR AFFORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING PARTNER, UH, THE PROFESSIONAL WE NEED TO WORK WITH TO DEVELOP THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
UM, WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP TENTATIVELY DEVELOPED WITH HIM, BUT WE HAVEN'T SIGNED A CONTRACT.
AND ONCE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE PLANS TO, TO MEET WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH THE CITY.
AND, UH, SO WE HAVE MADE INROADS ON MOVING FORWARD, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, JUST, UH, WE NEED TO KNOW IF IT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT BEFORE WE SIGN A CONTRACT WITH A PROFESSIONAL.
I HAVE COMMENTS, BUT THAT'S IT FOR QUESTIONS.
SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SHANNON, ON THIS PROJECT, WHEN YOU'RE WORKING FOR OUR DIFFERENT HOUSING, YOU KNOW, PIPELINE IDEAS AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE NUMBERS ON THIS PROJECT? HAS THIS BEEN ON YOUR RADAR? NO, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO ME AT ALL.
COMMENTS? YOU WANNA RESERVE THOSE UNTIL AFTER SHE'S SCARED ME.
EVERYBODY STILL HERE? SHE TOLD CALLIE'S BACK.
UM, IT'S A BRIEF, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FROM THE STAFF REPORT, AND I DIDN'T HEAR YOU GO OVER IT.
YOU HAVEN'T, UM, HAD A DISCUSSION WITH ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT THE EASEMENT FOR THE SEWER SMELL.
UM, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU COVER THAT.
I JUST, I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN EASY, WHEN WE TALKED, I'M PRETTY SURE I BROUGHT IT UP LAST MEETING.
UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A KNOWN SEWER SMELL AND A KNOWN FIX WITH A SMALL EASEMENT AND, AND THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED.
UM, OR DO YOU GUYS HAVE, HAVE YOU MADE A COMMITMENT TO ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS WORKS ABOUT THAT EASEMENT OR, BECAUSE STAFF REPORTS BASICALLY SOUND, SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED IT SINCE, UH, MADAM CHAIR, UH, COMMISSIONER KOWSKI, THAT, THAT'S SPEAKING TO THEM, RIGHT.
SORRY, I'M TRYING TO SPEAK TO YOU INSTEAD OF SPEAK TO THIS IS A STRANGE INTERACTION.
UM, UH, SO MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER KSKY, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST A BIT OF AN OVERSIGHT.
WE WERE OBVIOUSLY HAD A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIR AT THE SAME TIME AND THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT WE JUST HADN'T GOTTEN TO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT.
BUT WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT THROUGH WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
IF IT IS AS SIMPLE AS A, A SMALL EASEMENT, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO THE, UH, PUBLIC AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC FORUM.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I'LL CALL FIRST AND A SECOND NAME SO THE SECOND PERSON CAN BE ON
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DECK.AND, UH, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF ADDRESS.
UH, OUR FIRST, UH, ONE UP IS GREG BIDDLE, FOLLOWED BY NATE MEYERS.
UH, MY NAME IS GREG BIDDLE, A LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG TIME RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
UM, WE SHARE A PROPERTY LINE WITH THIS PROJECT.
UH, ONE OF THE BIG PLUSES FOR OUR PARCEL OF PROPERTY IS THE VIEW WHICH EVERYBODY IN SEDONA UNDERSTANDS VIEW.
UH, WE HAVE A GREAT VIEW OF COFFEE POT AND GRAY BACK AND OFF.
UH, IN THAT NORTHERN DIRECTION, UH, THERE WERE SOME PVC PIPES PLACED ON THE BANEY PROPERTY, I AM ASSUMING TO REPRESENT BUILDING HEIGHTS.
UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WITH A TWO INCH PVC PIPE.
I STUCK UP IN THE AIR TO UNDERSTAND MASS.
SO STANDING THERE ON OUR PROPERTY LOOKING AT THESE PIPES, IT WAS APPEARING THAT VIEW THAT WE NOW HAVE WAS TO BE BLOCKED BY THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT.
SO WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY DEVALUE OUR PROPERTY AND NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY DEVALUED IN SEDONA.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST ASK, AND I'M
YOU COULD EASILY LOWER A STRUCTURE 2, 3, 4, THERE'S 10 FOOT OF DIRT THERE, WHICH IS PRETTY UNUSUAL FOR SEDONA.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE CONSIDERATION BE TO POTENTIALLY LOWER THOSE UNITS THAT ARE AT THE BACK SOUTH END OF THEIR PROPERTY, AND, UH, BE ABLE TO KEEP THE VIEW ZONE THAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND I KNOW THE, THE PEOPLE IN SADDLE ROCK ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR US.
AS YOU KNOW, THE CLOSER YOU STAND TO A WALL, THE HARDER IT IS TO SEE OVER IT.
THE FURTHER AWAY YOU GET FROM THE WALL, THE EASIER IT IS TO SEE OVER.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE STANDING PRETTY CLOSE TO THE WALL.
SO, UH, THAT'S MY CONCERN THAT, UH, WE DO NOT GET OUR VIEW TAKEN AWAY FROM OUR PARCEL OF PROPERTY.
NATE MYERS, FOLLOWED BY ALAN ROTKIN.
THANK YOU, NATE MYERS OF SEDONA.
AS MR. TATE SAID, I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM, UH, CHAIR LEVIN COMMISSIONERS, UH, THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT.
UH, IN NOVEMBER, 2023, THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY BEGAN DISCUSSIONS WITH BANEY DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES REGARDING SUPPORT OF THE SOCIETY'S EFFORTS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AT COOK'S CEDAR GLADES CEMETERY, THE FINAL RESTING PLACE OF NAMESAKE, SEDONA SCHLEY, HER HUSBAND TC AND THEIR LITTLE GIRL PEARL, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER NOTEWORTHY PEOPLE FROM SEDONAS PAST.
WHILE OUR PLANS ARE STILL IN DEVELOPMENT, THE GENERAL IDEA THAT THE THE SOCIETY HAS FOR THE CEMETERY IS TO MAKE IT WELCOMING TO FAMILY MEMBERS AND DESCENDANTS, SEDONA RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS ALIKE.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT AN UNKNOWN NUMBER OF FAMILIES, RESIDENTS, AND TOURISTS ALREADY MAKE THEIR WAY TO COOKS, MANY OF WHOM LEAVE MEMORIAL TOKENS ON SEDONA SCHLEY'S GRAVE.
CONCEPTUALLY, WE ARE LOOKING AT IMPROVED WALKWAYS AND LANDSCAPING, IMPROVED FENCING ALONG AT LEAST THREE EDGES OF THE CEMETERY AND A NEW GATE ON THE EAST SIDE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE SOCIETY IS EXPLORING WAYS TO PROVIDE INTERPRETATION TO CEMETERY GUESTS.
THIS WOULD LIKELY INCLUDE AT LEAST ONE TEXT PANEL OR KIOSK.
WELCOMING, WELCOMING GUESTS TO THE CEMETERY WITH A HISTORY OF THE SITE AND WAY FINDING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR SHARING.
THE STORIES OF THOSE BURIED IN THE CEMETERY ARE BEING EXPLORED, INCLUDING AN APP THAT VISITORS COULD DOWNLOAD AND EXPLORE ON THEIR PHONES.
OF COURSE, ALL IMPROVEMENTS ARE SUBJECT TO THE PROPER PERMITTING FROM THIS BODY AND THE CITY, AND CERTIFICATION OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
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IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT IS NOT ENVISIONED THAT THE CEMETERY BECOME A TOURIST DESTINATION, DRAWING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE A YEAR.THE SOCIETY ENDEAVORS TO MAKE THE CEMETERY APPEAR AS IMPORTANT AS IT IS CREATING A WELCOMING PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO EXPLORE THE IMPORTANT STORIES OF THOSE BURIED THERE AND PAYING THEIR RESPECTS.
WE ALSO ENDEAVOR TO MAKE IT A PEACEFUL AND RESPECTFUL FINAL RESTING PLACE FOR THOSE TURD THERE.
WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A HISTORIC SITE THAT A COMMUNITY THAT THIS COMMUNITY CAN BE PROUD OF.
BANEY DEVELOPMENT SUPPORTS THIS VISION AND HAS GRACIOUSLY OFFERED THE SOCIETY A GIFT OF $25,000 TO BE USED TOWARDS THESE IMPROVEMENTS PENDING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL GIFT THAT WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
WE VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH BANEY DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO MAKE COOK CEDAR GLADES CEMETERY A GEM IN THE CROWN OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY, IN ADDITION TO DEVELOPING A PERMANENT EXHIBIT ON THE GROUNDS OF THE VILLAGE AT SADDLEBROOK CROSSING, WHICH IS PART OF OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVE TO BRING SEDONAS HISTORY TO PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE AND NOT JUST, UH, LIMITED TO JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK.
MARTIN KCO WILL FOLLOW MR. SIRKIN.
I LIVE IN SEDONA AT SADDLEBROOK CROSSING.
UM, MY HOUSE, UH, THE FACES THIS PROPERTY AND I TAKE A LITTLE NOTICE WITH THE DESCRIPTION THAT THERE IS NO BALCONY FACING MY HOUSE.
I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT THE PLAN AND SEE THAT THE NORTH BUILDINGS HAVE BALCONIES OUT THE BACK AND FACE DIRECTLY INTO MY BACKYARD.
UM, AND I WOULD BE LOOKING DIRECTLY ON THEM.
THE, THE HEIGHT OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH HAS BEEN OVER CODE AND HAS BEEN OVER CODE FOR EVERY ITERATION OF ITS IN HERE, HAS NOT CHANGED.
AND NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON TOP OF THE TOP OF THESE BUILDINGS, AND WE KNOW THAT THE HEIGHT OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE INCORRECT.
FAMILY HOUSING, UM, STUDIO APARTMENTS, THESE ARE FOR, WERE, THEY'RE LIKE PACKED IN.
IT'S, THEY CAME UP WITH THIS NUMBER BY TAKING THIS SMALL SPACE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT AND MAYBE JUST HAD A BEDROOM OVERLOOKING ME.
AND INSTEAD HAVING A LIVING ROOM WITH A BALCONY AND A DECK THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO OUT ON AND COOK AND HANG OUT AT NIGHT.
AND I, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.
IT WAS A WAY TO MAKE 20 UNITS INTO 40 WAS TO MAKE A, TAKE A APARTMENT AND TURN IT INTO A STUDIO APARTMENT.
WATER AND SEWER ARE AN ISSUE IN THIS TOWN.
OUR, OUR, OUR AREA HAS NOT BEEN CONNECTED TO SEDONA SEWER AND THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO USE UP MORE CAPACITY OF THE SEWER PLANT.
THERE'S BEEN, IT SEEMS LIKE I, MY HAT'S OFF TO THE STAFF.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN HARD TO GET ANSWERS OUT OF THESE DEVELOPMENT OR THEY'VE NEVER REACHED OUT TO ME AS A HOMEOWNER IN THIS AREA, IN A, IN A WAY THAT HAS LISTENED TO MY NEEDS.
UM, AND I DON'T FEEL THAT AS, AS TIME GOES ON, THAT THERE WILL BE LIGHT SOUND AND ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVING THIS MANY PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THEY WILL BE AN, UH, UH, THAT, THAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED A, A RELATIONSHIP WITH EITHER THE BOARD HERE OR FOLLOWING THE RULES OF SEDONA.
THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO PUSH THE LIMITS OF OUR CODE SO THAT THE SOUND AND HAVING A POOL OUT ON THE ROOFTOP WITH PEOPLE OUT THERE TILL NO MATTER WHAT TIME AND SUITES WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE OUT THIR 20 FEET IN THE AIR OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TILL TILL KNOWS.
SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SOUND LIGHT AND THOSE ISSUES AND I REALLY THANK THE STAFF AND, AND YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE THIS LATE.
AND IT WAS A VERY HARD THING TO FOLLOW THE, THE FIRST PRESENTATION HERE WHERE THE NEED FOR HOUSING IS SO GREAT AND WE ARE GIVING THIS LITTLE STICK OF A FEW HOUSING IN THIS PROJECT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS PROJECT WILL REPLACE HOMES THAT ARE BEING DISPLACED BY SHORT TERM RENTALS.
MARTIN RECO, ARE YOU HERE? NO.
BILL MUNCH FOLLOWED BY PATRICK SCHWEISS.
I'M A, UH, RESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK.
UM, I HAD PLANNED ON MAKING A STATEMENT OF MY OWN, BUT IF I'M ALLOWED, UH, WE HAD A SUPPORTER HERE TONIGHT WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT THE VERY LAST MINUTE.
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DIRECTOR OF WILD TIME RESTAURANTS, WOULD I BE ABLE TO MAKE A STATEMENT ON HIS BEHALF? IS THAT PERMISSIBLE?UM, THIS IS HIS VOICE, NOT MINE.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, IS THE REGIONAL MANAGER OVERSEEING OPERATIONS FOR SEVERAL LOCAL, UH, LOCAL BUSINESSES IN SEDONA, INCLUDING SHOREBIRD MOLE STAGE, STAGECOACH COUNTRY, ROADHOUSE, JAYBIRDS, AND SPOKEN WHEEL.
I HAVE A DEEP SEED COMMITMENT TO THE WELLBEING OF BOTH OUR COMMUNITY AND MY EMPLOYEES.
OVER THE YEARS, I'VE WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE CHALLENGES FACED BY OUR WORKFORCE, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO FINDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SEE SOME OF MY EMPLOYEES RESORTING TO SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS DUE TO THE LACK OF VIABLE ALTERNATIVES.
THIS PROJECT PRESENTS A VITAL OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS PRESSING ISSUE BY PROVIDING QUALITY HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN REACH FOR ALL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT UNDER CONSIDERATION, WHICH INCLUDES A 110 UNIT RESPONSIBLE LODGING ESTABLISHMENT AND A 40 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING COMPLEX WITH A SIGNIFICANT PORTION ALLOCATED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THIS INITIATIVE NOT ONLY SERVES THE COMMON GOOD, BUT ALSO ACTS AS A CATALYST FOR ECONOMIC VITALITY.
ACCESSIBLE HOUSING OPTIONS ARE ESSENTIAL FOR ENSURING THAT BUSINESSES LIKE MINE CAN ATTRACT AND RETAIN A DEDICATED WORKFORCE WHO ARE INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY'S SUCCESS.
FOR THOSE WHO VOICE CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASED TRAFFIC, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD HAVE MUCH LESS IMPACT THAN IN COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADDED TRANSIT ALTERNATIVES THEY'RE OFFERING THROUGH THE BIKE RENTALS AND SHUTTLE SERVICE.
MOREOVER, IT'S WORTH HIGHLIGHTING THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES BEYOND MIRROR CONSTRUCTION.
UH, IT REPRESENTS A BEACON OF PROGRESS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS DESIGN, IT REDUCES TRAFFIC FLOW AND CRUCIAL HOUSING INVESTMENTS ARE PRECISELY WHAT WE NEED TO THRIVE HERE IN SEDONA.
I URGE THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL TO ENDORSE THIS PROJECT, RECOGNIZING ITS IMMENSE POTENTIAL TO POSITIVELY IMPACT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY WHILE PROVIDING MUCH NEEDED HOUSING SOLUTIONS FOR OUR WORKFORCE.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE PERSPECTIVES OF BOTH MYSELF AND MY EMPLOYEES ON THIS CRUCIAL MATTER.
DONALD SIEGEL WILD TIME GROUP ON MY OWN PART, AS A LOCAL RESIDENT WHO IS IN THE HOTEL BUSINESS HERE AND HAS WORKED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME, UM, WE, WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND YES, THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY AND HOTEL PROJECT I'M SUPPORTING AS A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, PROJECT PERSONALLY.
MR. SCHWEISS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ZA THANK YOU CHAIR LEVIN.
AND, AND, UM, COUNCIL, COUNCIL PEOPLE COMMISSION PEOPLE.
I RESIDE AT 3 0 4 CA LINDA IN WEST SEDONA, AND I'M ALSO, UH, THE HEAD OF THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL.
SO I'M SPEAKING ON YOUR BEHALF OF BOTH ME PERSONALLY AND THE ORGANIZATION.
I AM INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED WITH THE PHILANTHROPIC WORK THAT THE BANEY DO IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WHERE THEIR PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY, VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS JUST BASED ON THEIR PAST HISTORY IN SUPPORTING OUR NONPROFITS, OURSELVES INCLUDED.
UM, AND THIS HAS KNOWN HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND EVERY, ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT ALL OF US DO HERE.
AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY GOOD NEIGHBORS.
MY WIFE'S A NATIVE, BORN AND RAISED HERE.
SHE GREW UP SEEING THE BEAUTIFUL BILES NURSERY AND WONDERFUL THINGS THAT'S BEEN THERE AND IT'S BEEN OF COURSE, VACANT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE A BETTER PROJECT FOR THIS SITE.
UH, BILL, BILL MECH HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE AS FAR AS, UH, WORKING TOGETHER AND BEING FRIENDS OVER THE YEARS.
EVERY PROPERTY HE HAS WORKED WITH HAS BEEN A SUPPORTER OF THE SEDONA FILM FESTIVAL.
EVERY PROPERTY HE HAS WORKED WITH HAS BEEN A SUPPORTER PHILANTHROPICALLY IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION HERE.
AND WHEN HE SHOWED ME THE PLANS, I COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER PROJECT FOR THAT SPACE.
I LOOK AT THAT EVERY TIME I COME OUT AND GO TO WORK, GO TO THE THEATERS, GO TO GO TO ANYWHERE IN WESTERN BECAUSE I COME OUT ON SOLDIER PASS ROAD AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE LOOKING AT.
AND I THINK IT'S AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
I HAVE EVERY FAITH THAT THE DEVELOPERS AND THE CITY CAN COME TO SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DE UH, DEMANDS AND SIGHT LINES AND THINGS CAN BE MET BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE COMMUNITY MINDED AND THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE PUTTING IN MORE THAN DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR A PRODUCT OF THIS SIZE SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THEIR CHARACTER AND TO WHAT THEY CAN BRING TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AND AS YOU HEARD, THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR CARS THINK OF IT.
IF WE CAN JUST IMPACT THOSE ALONE IN THIS PROPERTY, WE WILL HAVE SOLVED SO MANY PROBLEMS JUST IN THIS ONE STEP.
AND IT CAN BE AN EXAMPLE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
THE FACT THAT YOU'VE OPENED THREE OTHER PROJECTS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE TIME IT'S TAKEN YOU TO GO THROUGH THIS IS APPALLING TO ME.
I THINK THE CITY STAFF CAN WORK WITH
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YOU.YOU CAN WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF AND I KNOW THERE'S WAYS TO MAKE THIS WORK.
SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
WE HOPE YOU'RE GONNA BE NEIGHBORS.
WE HOPE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE PROJECT OPEN.
WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL GIVE THEM THE BLESSING.
MARK BROOK WILL BE FOLLOWING, UH, MS. ZN.
IT'S UNFAIR TO FOLLOW PAT SCHWEISS.
I AM A, I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA.
I AM A TEACHER AT WEST SEDONA SCHOOL FOR 25 YEARS.
AND I SAT THROUGH THE WHOLE ONE BEFORE THIS.
AND THE IDEA OF CHILDREN SLEEPING IN A CAR WHEN THEY COULD BE SLEEPING IN A HOME IS APPALLING TO ME BECAUSE I HAVE THOSE CHILDREN IN MY CLASSROOM.
WE HAVE 80% FREE AND REDUCED LUNCH AT OUR SCHOOL.
WE HAVE KIDS THAT I'VE BOUGHT CLOTHES FOR, I'VE MADE SURE THEY HAD SHOWERS AND THEIR READING LEVELS ARE LOWER THAN OTHER KIDS THAT HAVE SOMEWHERE TO SLEEP.
AND, AND THEN TO GO ON TO A TEACHER SLEEPING IN A CAR WHO'S TRYING TO GRADE PAPERS AT NIGHT SO THEY'RE READY FOR THE NEXT DAY, I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND IT.
AND IF THEY'RE WILLING TO BUILD 40 LOW INCOME HOUSING THAT ONE TEACHER COULD LIVE IN, WE HAVE TEACHERS EVERY YEAR SIGN A CONTRACT AND THEY DON'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE FIRST MONTH BECAUSE THEY DON'T FIND ANYWHERE TO LIVE.
AND THAT IS VERY, I'VE NEVER EVEN SEEN TEACHERS NOT FULFILL THEIR CONTRACT AND HAVE THEM IN TEARS 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO LEAVE AND LEAVE THEIR STUDENTS AFTER MEETING THEM.
AND OR NOT EVEN COME AT ALL IS, IT'S DIFFICULT AS A TEACHER AND AS A PARENT TO HAVE GONE THROUGH LIKE FOUR MATH TEACHERS IN A YEAR.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THAT MATH TEACHER TO LIVE AND THE PHILANTHROPIC STUFF.
UM, THIS GROUP, THEY DONATE TO, UM, TRACK MEETS AND THEY DONATE THEIR TIME AND THEIR EXECUTIVES ARE WILLING TO COME INTO CLASSROOMS AND TALK TO STUDENTS AND THEN LISTENING TO WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING WITH THE RECYCLING AND ALL OF THAT.
I WAS LIKE, WOW, THAT'S A FIELD TRIP RIGHT THERE.
UM, I, I APPLAUD YOU FOR COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THEM HERE WITH US.
KAISER'S UP AFTER MR. TENNER BROOKE.
UH, MY NAME'S MARK 10 BROOKE AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA.
I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY, UH, OPPOSITION TO THE CHANGE IN ZONING FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT UH, REQUIRES A CHANGE IN ZONING TO PROCEED WITH 110 ROOMS OF ADDITIONAL LODGING THAT SEDONA QUITE CLEARLY DOES NOT NEED.
UH, THE CITY COUNCIL CHANGED SOLDIERS PASS CFA TO REDUCE LODGING, UH, AS AN ALLOWABLE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CFA.
AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT CHANGE.
WHILE THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL DOES INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROPERTY IS REALLY DEDICATED TO THE LODGING DEVELOPMENT FOR WEDDINGS 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT, LARGE MEETING ROOMS, PARKING AREA, AND 24 OF THE 28 AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE STUDIO UNITS, NO BIGGER THAN A HOTEL ROOM.
TOGETHER ALL THESE COMPONENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES AND SIMILAR LOW WAGE STAFF THAT SNOW DID NOT HAVE.
THEY QUOTED A FIGURE OF 30 PEOPLE WITH FULL-TIME STAFF WOULD SERVE THIS, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, A QUICK LOOK ON GOOGLE SAYS THAT, UH, YOU CAN GET BY WITH AS LITTLE AS A QUARTER OF A, OF AN EMPLOYEE PER ROOM, BUT A TYPICAL MID-RANGE HOTEL IS ABOUT HALF AN EMPLOYEE PER ROOM.
BUT ON AVERAGE, UPSCALE IS ONE AND A HALF TO TWO.
SO WE'RE TALKING AT LEAST A HUNDRED NEW EMPLOYEES AND THAT'S EXCLUSIVE OF THE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT.
SO NOW WE'RE TALKING WELL OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT NEED TO FIND EMPLOYMENT.
AND NO, WE DON'T HAVE A WORKFORCE HERE THAT CAN BE SERVED, THAT CAN SERVE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD FOR SEDONA.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION REJECT THIS PROPOSAL AND CHANGE IN ZONING.
HOPEFULLY THIS PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED AS MULTIFAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NOT PLACE ADDITIONAL DEMAND ON THE LIMITED AVAILABLE WORKFORCE.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER STEVE.
UM, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONNECTION TO SEDONA THOUGH.
UM, ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, I DROVE UP HERE WITH MY GIRLFRIEND AT THE TIME AND PROPOSED UNDER A CATHEDRAL ROCK.
SO SEDONAS ALWAYS HAD A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART.
UM, AND I PLAN TO MOVE HERE, UH, EVENTUALLY ONCE THE KIDS ARE GROWING AND OUTTA THE HOUSE.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
I'M A FORMER STATE SENATOR AT ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATURE.
UM, I RESIGNED IN JUNE 'CAUSE IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT FOR THE FAMILY, SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
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A HUGE SERVICE TO YOUR COMMUNITY, SO THANK YOU FOR SERVING.UM, I THINK WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE LODGING.
SO WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR HOUSING SUPPLY STUDY COMMITTEE, WE ACTUALLY CAME UP TO SEDONA ABOUT A YEAR AGO, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, RIGHT IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
AND, UM, WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THEN ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, CRISIS THAT WAS GOING ON UP HERE, 1200 HOMES.
SHORT HEARING THE, UH, TESTIMONY FROM THE ISSUE BEFORE WAS VERY HEARTBREAKING.
HEARING ABOUT THE, THE FAMILIES LIVING IN CARS AND TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS AND BUILDING MORE HOUSING IS THAT SOLUTION.
AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THESE 40 UNITS BEING BUILT.
IT IS NOT THE 1200 THAT YOU NEED, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND 28 OF THOSE BEING AFFORDABLE, YOU CAN'T DISMISS THOSE.
OF COURSE, THEY'RE GONNA BE STUDIO SIZE.
AN AFFORDABLE UNIT'S NOT GONNA BE A FOUR BEDROOM MASSIVE UNIT.
IT'S GONNA BE SMALLER AND IT'S GONNA HAVE LESS AMENITIES.
THE LODGING ASPECT, STR ARE A BIG PROBLEM UP HERE.
SHORT TERM RENTALS, 17% OF YOUR HOUSING STOCK.
IF YOU WANT TO COMBAT THAT, YOU DON'T DECREASE LODGING OPPORTUNITIES.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE MORE HOTEL LODGING, YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE TR LODGING.
SO IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE TO SAY THAT WE NEED, IF YOU WANNA FIGHT STR, YOU NEED MORE HOTEL LODGING TO COMPETE AND STR ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE LESS AFFORDABLE.
AND MORE PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING HOTELS BECAUSE OF ALL THE FEES THAT GO ON TOP OF STR.
SO IF YOU WANT TO COMBAT THOSE, A GOOD WAY TO DO IT IS WITH MORE LODGING.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE DONE AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB WORKING WITH STAFF, TRYING TO JUMP THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS, CROSS ALL THE T'S, DOT ALL THE I'S.
UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE AND I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO KEEP THIS PROCESS MOVING.
UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WOULD BE GREAT STEWARDS, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, JACKIE CREEK SHANK, FOLLOWED BY CAROL RIZZIE.
MY NAME IS JACKIE KIRK SHANKS AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
I CAN ACTUALLY SEE, UH, MOST OF THE SITE OVER MY BACK FENCE THAT IS PROPOSED.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D REALLY BEG, UM, THE DEVELOPERS TO CANNABIS.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, 50% OF IT WAS REPLACED, UH, JUST AROUND COVID.
SO IT'S NOT THE SAME PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
VERY FEW OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE HEARD ANYTHING OR BEEN ASKED ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
SECOND OF ALL, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
HOW CAN 20 AFFORDABLE STUDIO UNITS AND 40 PLUS EMPLOYEES HELP AFFORDABLE HOUSING? ANOTHER QUESTION IS WHEN YOU HAVE A ROOFTOP THAT'S JUST BARELY OVER 20 FEET AND THEN YOU ADD PLANTS AND TREES THAT ARE FIVE TO SIX FEET HIGH IN, IN POTS AND THEN SOLAR PANELS, HOW DO YOU COMPLY WITH A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT? ANOTHER THING I HAVE IS DARK SKY.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE FOR DARK SKY, BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
A LOT OF NEIGHBORS HAVE PUT UP GREAT BIG STROBE WHITES AND NOBODY HAS CHECKED ON THAT.
SO IF YOU ARE COMPLIANT WITH DARK SKY, WHICH I SERIOUSLY DOUBT WHO'S GONNA CHECK ON THAT? ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, PAUL PAUL MATTHEWS STATEMENT THAT THE WATER USE WOULD BE THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF WATER USED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT BEFORE THE HOUSING WAS DECIDED? UM, I SHOP AT WHOLE FOODS A LOT.
I WALK THERE AND EVERY TIME I GO, WHETHER IT'S MORNING, NOON, EVENING, THE PARKING LOT'S FULL.
SO I'VE HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS IN SEDONA WHERE I'VE BEEN STALLED, YOU KNOW, GOING, TAKING A MILE, HALF AN HOUR TO GO A MILE.
AND HOW IS YOUR TRAFFIC SYSTEM GOING TO HELP THAT? UM, JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF DOUBTS.
ALL OF THESE ISSUES WILL CREATE NUMEROUS PROBLEMS FOR THIS SMALL QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED SADDLE ROCK.
THERE WILL BE OVERCROWDING NOISE, LIGHT POLLUTION, EXCESSIVE WATER USE, VISUAL OBSTRUCTION OF SOME SCENIC VIEWS AND UNMANAGEABLE TRAFFIC.
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THIS HAPPEN.DOREEN SLE FOLLOWED BY TINA GRAZA, NEITHER ONE.
UM, BERNARDO HIGUERA, FOLLOWED BY AL CAMILLO.
HELLO, UH, NAME IS BERNARDO HIGUERA.
I LIVE IN, UH, OF SEDONA AND SADDLE ROCK.
I WILL STATE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I HAD SUBMITTED IN WRITING.
UM, AFTER REVIEWING SOME OF THE MATERIAL SENT TO ME AND ATTENDING THE NOVEMBER MEETING, I PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING OBSERVATIONS.
THE MAIN REASON WE SEE WHAT, WHAT I CALL A LIMIT CYCLE AS AN ENGINEERING, BUT, UH, YOU GUYS CALL IT A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE CITY STAFF AND THE PROJECT PROPONENT IS THAT THE BASIC ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IS THIS PROJECT IS NOT DESIGNED TO FIT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SIZE OF THE LOT, THE CORRESPONDING POPULATION DENSITY, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SIZE OF THE LOT, GIVEN THE, UH, ALL THE DETAILS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
A 50 UNIT RESIDENTIAL OR A HUNDRED PERSON HOTEL, A HUNDRED ROOM HOTEL MAY WELL FIT, BUT BOTH OF 'EM, A COMBINATION OF THOSE PLAYS A SIGNIFICANT STRAIN.
AND I'LL, I CHOOSE TO FOCUS ON TRAFFIC, ALTHOUGH IT, UM, THERE'S MANY OTHER CONSEQUENCES.
UM, THE DEBATE, UH, THE DEBATE IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS THIS, THIS IS BECOMING A, UM, WHAT COLOR OF LIPSTICK DO WE PUT ON THIS PIG? THIS, THIS IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
THIS IS BASICALLY YOU GOT A VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEM THE STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT THE DEVELOPER TRIES TO ADDRESS TO BASICALLY, UM, SUGARCOAT IT.
AND THERE'S NO REAL RESOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.
I SENT AN EARLIER COMMENT ON THE TRAFFIC FLOW DISRUPTIONS AND THE IMPACTS OF HAVING SOLD YOUR PAST ROAD LIGHT.
NOW BECOMING REALLY A FOUR-WAY FLOW STOP, UH, IN REALITY RIGHT NOW IS REALLY A, A TWO-WAY.
YOU ONLY, UH, SOLDIER PASS ONLY TRIGGERS WHEN THERE'S PEDESTRIANS OR PEOPLE COMING FROM THE SOLDIER.
PASSI TRY TO TURN INTO 89 A, UH, THE TRAFFIC RESTRICTION IS GONNA COST THE, THE, THE SADDLE ROCK TRAFFIC.
THOSE OF US THAT GO WEST AND TRY TO MAKE A LEFT ON 89 A TO PROBABLY MOVE TO TOWARDS THE AIRPORT ROAD.
AND IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT CORNER OF VALLEY VIEW AND AIRPORT ROAD THAT IS BASICALLY ABOUT AS CLOSE, IT'S A BLIND TURN AND IT'S ABOUT AS CLOSE TO A TRAIN WRECK AS YOU CAN GET WITHOUT LAYING TRACK.
IT'S, IT IS GONNA CREATE TRAFFIC THERE, THERE WILL BE ACCIDENTS THERE.
RIGHT NOW, WHAT MAKES IT WORK IS THE RELATIVELY SMALL POPULATION.
UM, I'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS ON THE BIKE RACKS AND SHUTTLES.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE CITY COULD DO AT A FIXED ONE-TIME COST WITHOUT HAVING TO, UH, ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES ON THE HIGH DENSITY PLAN.
AND IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE SLIPPING ON CARS, BUILD A HUNDRED UNITS THERE, WHICH IS PROBABLY DOABLE.
DON'T TRY TO JUSTIFY A HIGH DENSITY PLAN BY THE, THE LOW PRICE HOUSING LURE TO, UH, TO ALLOW FOR A HOTEL.
SO I BASICALLY BELIEVE, UH, WE SHOULD NOT DO IT.
MR. PELA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SEAN SMITH.
AND THE LAST CARD IS, UH, PJ MULANI.
THE NAME'S AL ELLO, RESIDENT OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, AND, UM, RESIDENT OF THE AREA FOR 25 YEARS.
UM, I, UM, AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY BOARD.
AND, UM, BUT I'M NOT HERE IN THAT ROLE.
I'M NOT EVEN HERE AS A FRIEND OF THE DEVELOPER.
BUT IN MY PAST LIFE IN SEDONA, I HAD A, I MEAN, IN ST.
LOUIS, I HAD A STRONG CONNECTION TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS AS THEY WOULD TAKE FARMLAND AND IMAGINE IT AND TURN IT INTO COMMUNITIES AND CITIES AND TOWNS.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M ALWAYS, UM, ENTHRALLED ABOUT.
I'VE TRIED TO STAY ABREAST TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE OLD BIDDLES PROPERTY THESE PAST SEVEN YEARS SINCE THE FIRST PROPOSAL DEVELOPMENT WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY.
IT MOVED FROM A HOTEL AND RETAIL DEVELOPMENT
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TO A SMALLER HOTEL AND LONG TERM RENTAL PROPOSAL.I MEAN LONG TERM RENTAL PROPOSAL.
THAT SEEMS TO BE THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY WAS ENCOURAGING THE DEVELOPER TO GO OVER THESE PAST SEVEN YEARS.
AND I'M SURE THE DEVELOPER HAS INVESTED HUNDREDS OF HOURS AND IF NOT MORE, IN SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN PLANNING AND ENGINEERING TO GET TO THE PROPOSAL THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
IN MY MIND, SEDONA 89 A SAY, ROUTE 89 A IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE CONCEPT OF ZONING WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, THE BEST USE FOR A VALUABLE COMMERCIAL LAND ON STATE, RIGHT? 89 A SEEMS TO ME WITH THIS PRO PROPOSAL INDICATES LODGING AND AFFORDABLE RENTAL APARTMENTS, AFFORDABLE RENTAL APARTMENTS.
I'M ALSO ON THE COMMITTEE THAT INVOLVES, UH, THE SEDONA HOUSING.
AND I MUST ADMIT, IT IS AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TASK TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT IN SEDONA.
AS WE HEARD THIS EVENING, THE CITY TELLS THE DEVELOPER THAT THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR MIND AND THAT THEY NO LONGER WANT LODGING, BUT IT MUST BE A HUNDRED PERCENT RESIDENTIAL.
I'M NOT TOO SURE THAT'S GONNA SIT WELL WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO'S INVESTED A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY IN ACCOMMODATING THE CITY AS IT WENT DOWN THIS PATH OVER THESE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF THE SENATOR HERE.
IN ADDITION TO THE ANTI, IN ADDITION TO BE ANTI TRADITIONAL LODGING, WHEN THE PREFERRED CHOICE OF OVERNIGHT LODGING IN SEDONA, INSTEAD OF RENTING SOMEBODY'S HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
WHY NOT? WHY GIVE SHORT TERM RENTAL HOUSES TURNED INTO HOTELS A MORE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE BY NOT ALLOWING, ALLOWING TRADITIONAL LODGING TO BE BUILT? SEDONA, WE SHOULD SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE HIGH RESORT QUALITY LODGING AS THE LOGICAL PREFERENCE FOR OUR VISITORS WHO WANT TO STAY OVERNIGHT IN SEDONA.
HAVE WE GIVEN UP? HAVE WE DECIDED THAT WE DON'T CARE THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BEING TURNED INTO HOTEL COMMUNITIES? IN THE END, IF THERE IS A DEMAND FOR LODGING IN THEONA SEDONA AREA AND IT'S NOT BUILT IN SEDONA, IT'S GONNA BE BUILT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY OR THE CITIES.
PJ ANI GENTLEMAN, DID YOU HAVE SEAN SMITH? DID I REPEAT? I'M SORRY.
HI, SEAN SMITH, SEDONA RESIDENT JUST WEST OF SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE.
I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S ZEAL TO GET THE HIGHEST RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND HOW OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT'S ANALYSIS CONCLUDED THE MORE STANDARD HOTEL ROOMS THAN SEDONA WOULD YIELD THE HIGHEST RETURN.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE DEVELOPERS SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION IN THE FACE OF A FAST GROWING NATIONWIDE HOUSING CRISIS.
I FEEL THAT CRISIS COLORS, HOW THE COMMUNITY AND HOW I WOULD EXPECT THE STAFF VIEW REQUIREMENTS FOR A PROJECT THAT DOES NOT MAXIMIZE ATTAINABLE HOUSING SUPPLY.
THE ISSUE THAT FOR THE ISSUE IS THAT FOR A ZONING CHANGE, THE RESIDENTS THROUGH P AND Z HAVE A MAXIMUM LATITUDE TO REJECT PROJECTS THAT DON'T MAXIMIZE COMMON GOOD.
SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT THE MAXIMUM COMMON GOOD WOULD BE, NOT ONLY MAXIMUM ATTAINABLE HOUSING UNITS, THE APPLICANT IS TO BE ALLOTTED FOR THE NUMBER OF ATTAINABLE UNITS BEING GREATER THAN THE DIGA REQUIRES.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO PATRICK AND THINKING THAT THE BEST PRO, THIS IS THE BEST PROJECT WE CAN ACHIEVE, I THINK THERE'S A MISSING ELEMENT THAT COULD REALLY JACK UP THE VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN I THINK OF THE LARGEST COMMON GOOD IN TERMS OF LODGING, THE NATURAL ANSWER I'VE BEEN SURPRISED NOT TO SEE MENTIONED IS THE FASHION LODGING UNITS THAT ATTEMPT TO COMBAT THE UNFETTERED GROWTH OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL BEDS.
WE NEED TO SHUNT THE DESIRE FOR VISITORS TO WANT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO HOTEL HAS DONE MORE THAN RESERVED UNITS FOR EMPLOYEES.
TO ME, TO SUPPORT A ZONING CHANGE TO LODGING, I WOULD NEED TO SEE A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF UNITS BEING OF A TYPE THAT COMPETES WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THAT IS UNITS WITH SEPARATE LIVING AREAS, SEPARATE FROM SLEEPING AREAS WITH, WITH WALLS AND DOORS AND A KITCHEN.
IF THE APPLICANT WAS TO CREATE THAT KIND OF LODGING COMBINED WITH HOUSEKEEPING SERVICES, YOU'D PRESENT THE VALUE PROPOSITION THAT HITS THE TRIFECTA.
YOU'D HELP LODGING SUPPLY MATCH DEMAND, SHUNT DEMAND FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS AND ACHIEVE A NEAR MAXIMAL RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
THE INCREASE IN VEHICLE TRIPS AT THE AFFECTED INTERSECTION MAY PUSH US OVER ROAD CON CURRENCY LIMITS FOR A SYSTEM THAT I FEEL IS INADEQUATE TO THE TASK.
A COMMON GOOD THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED HERE IS IMPACT FEES TO GOOD UPGRADING THE SIGNAL MODEL AND TECHNOLOGY TO INCLUDE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
MY LAST TOWN HAS VERY, HAD VERY SIMILAR ATTRIBUTES TO THE SEDONA.
IT INSTALLED AN AI BASED SYSTEM AND HAD MAJOR IMPACT ON TRAFFIC FLOWS.
I APPRECIATE STEVE KAISER FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THE HOUSING CRISIS WHILE IN OFFICE AND EVEN NOW, AND I THANK HIM FOR LISTENING TO SEDONA AND HEARING THAT SMALL TOWNS NEED LOCAL SOLUTION AND CARVING OUT AN EXEMPTION FOR MOST OF HIS LEGISLATION FOR SMALL TOWNS.
I AGREE WITH STEVE THAT MORE LODGING CAN BE A WAY TO REDUCE DEMAND FOR SHORT-TERM
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RENTALS.BUT THE OFFERING HAS TO BE TRUE COMPETITION.
THE STANDARD HOTEL ROOM DOESN'T COMPETE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE 17% SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SEDONA.
AGAIN, BUILDING LODGING THAT MAKES PEOPLE THINK TWICE ABOUT GOING WITH AIRBNB IS REALLY WHAT WE NEED AS A SIDE OF THE OTHER, UH, COMMENTER HERE TONIGHT ABOUT THE DARK SKY.
IT PERTAINS TO EXTERIOR LIGHTING AND DOESN'T COM DOESN'T COMPEL WINDOW COVERINGS.
ASTRONOMERS HAVEN'T CONSIDERED SEDONA DARK SKY FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
IT'S JUST A MARKETING GIMMICK.
AND AS LONG AS THE BABY QUAIL HAS ALL THAT AWFUL BLARING LIGHTING.
HI, MY NAME IS PJ MILANI AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
AFTER SEEING WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN WENT THROUGH AND WHAT HE'S DONE AND WHAT HE'S COME UP WITH, I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA FOR SEDONA AND FOR THAT PIECE OF LAND THAT'S DOING NOTHING RIGHT NOW.
AND FOR SOMEONE TO GO THROUGH FOR SEVEN YEARS TO GET AN APPROVAL.
I THINK THERE'S, YOU SHOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT MYERS AND THE STAFF HAVE.
THAT CONCLUDES, UM, ALL, ALL THE CARDS I HAVE, SO I'M OH, ONE MORE.
GOT MIXED UP WITH THE OTHER ONES.
UM, ZOE, ZOE, ELLIE
ARE YOU TAKING HER PLACE? I AM NOT.
SHE WAS GONNA SPEAK FROM THE HEART.
IS THAT IT, DONNA? OKAY, THANK YOU.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT.
I THINK YOU SHOULD START AT THE OTHER END.
I THINK YOU SHOULD START AT THE OTHER END.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD COMPONENTS TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, I'VE BEEN ON P AND Z FOR A FEW YEARS NOW AND, AND I'M A LITTLE BIT BAFFLED BY THIS PROJECT.
I THINK I SAID THAT LAST TIME TOO, JUST NOT HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION.
I THINK WHEN YOU READ THE LOI WITH NOTHING ELSE BUT REALLY SPEAKS TO A LOT OF THE ISSUES.
BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT THE PLANS NEED TO SPEAK TO THAT, NOT JUST THE LOI FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROJECT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK A LOT OF THESE ISSUES ARE MISSING IS, SURE IT'S ADDRESSED IN THE LOI, BUT WHERE DO WE SEE IT ON THE PLANS AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S THOROUGH.
I DON'T THINK DEVELOPING IN SEDONA IS EASY.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WHO'S EVER DEVELOPED HERE WOULD EVER CLAIM THAT THIS IS AN EASY PLACE TO GET A PROJECT DONE.
UH, BUT PROJECTS DO GET DONE IN LESS TIME THAN SEVEN YEARS.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE COMPONENTS THAT I REALLY, REALLY LIKE.
I AGREE THAT THERE ARE FAR WORSE PROJECTS THAT COULD BE PUT ON THIS SITE, UM, THAT WOULDN'T NEED TO DO A ZONE CHANGE, BUT I ALSO AM LOST IN HOW EVERY OTHER PROJECT WE SEE WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED FROM THE PLANS.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AT THE MOMENT.
UM, I MET IN CONFLICT AS WELL, UH, KNOWING THE COMMUNICATION IN THE WORK THAT STAFF HAS PUT INTO THIS AND, AND ALSO SEEING THE WORK THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS PUT INTO THIS.
AND WE JUST SAT THROUGH A TWO AND A HALF HOUR PRESENTATION OF LACK OF HOUSING, AND YET THIS PLANT OFFERS US LACK OR OFFERS US HOUSING.
WHEN I LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS, UM, IN SADDLE ROCK, IT'S A BIG CONCERN TO LOSE YOUR VIEW.
SHED, IT'S A BIG CONCERN WITH NOISE AND TRAFFIC, BUT I ALSO ASKED MYSELF, IF YOU HAD ANOTHER PROJECT, WOULD THESE SAME CONCERNS COME TO YOU? IF IT WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, A SINGLE STORY BUILDING, UH, IT WOULD STILL HAVE NOISE.
IT WOULD STILL HAVE LIGHT ISSUES.
UM, IF THERE WERE ISSUES, DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
I'M JUST AT A REAL STRUGGLE AND, AND HONESTLY AS I SIT HERE AND I THINK ABOUT, UM, PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS AND THINK ABOUT WE COULD BUILD MORE HOUSING, I'M
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JUST AT A STRUGGLE AND I'M ALSO A STRUGGLE AT THE, THE CONFLICT BETWEEN, OR THE LACK OF SHOWING PROOF ON THE PLANS OF WHAT THE INTENT IS.SO IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO SAY, BUT HERE I AM NOT REALLY SURE WHAT TO SAY.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY FOR 28 PLUS YEARS.
UM, SPENT MOST OF MY CAREER IN THE LA SANTA MONICA MALIBU AREA, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST PROJECTS I'VE SEEN AS FAR AS WELL THOUGHT OUT AND PLANS AND COMMITMENT TO SUSTAINABILITY AND BEING ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, AND I ALSO, WHEN WE GOT THIS NEW PACKET, I WAS REALLY EXCITED.
I WAS LIKE, YEAH, I HOPE THEY HIT ALL THE MARKS.
AND I WAS HOPING TO SEE ALL YESES BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED THIS PROJECT TO HAPPEN.
UM, BUT I ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO REITERATE WHAT KALI SAID, I'M BAFFLED AT WHY WE'RE STILL HAVING CONVERSATIONS OF WAYS TO MAKE IT WORK.
UM, HOW IS THIS STILL HAPPENING? AND I FEEL LIKE I WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ADVOCATES AT THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE I, I, I REALLY, I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT SAID, IT'S DEVELOPERS LIKE YOU THAT WE WANNA EMBRACE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY HARD FOR ME BECAUSE THE DIRECTION I'VE RECEIVED IS, YOU KNOW, UM, TO GO AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE HOW ALL OF THE THINGS ARE BEING MET AND NOT EVERYTHING IS BEING MET YET.
AND SO THAT IS REALLY HARD FOR ME BECAUSE PERSONALLY I REALLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A JOB TO DO UP HERE AND I JUST, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DISCONNECT AND WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG.
AND THE CONTINUED COMMENTS OF CONTINUING TO WORK WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, GOSH, WHY IS IT NOT DONE? WHY IS IT NOT RESOLVED? UM, AND SO I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED TO SEE IT THIS TIME BECAUSE I WAS REALLY HOPING ALL THE BOXES WERE GONNA BE YESES.
AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S STILL NOS IS VERY DISAPPOINTING.
UM, AND HONESTLY, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO.
SO THAT'S JUST MY HONEST FEEDBACK BECAUSE WE NEED A PROJECT WITH THIS, WITH HOUSING AND IT'S REALLY WELL DONE.
I KIND OF ECHO, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
I, IT'S A DIFFICULT HURDLE TO GET OVER TO GO AGAINST A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I BEEN STAFF, I, I UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT I WOULD FEEL
UM, BUT I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT OF THE PROJECTS THAT COULD BE HERE, UM, LET'S NOT LET A GOOD ONE, A VERY GOOD ONE SLIP THROUGH BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE INSTITUTED, AGREED TO AND SIGNED.
IF THEY ARE NOT INSTITUTED, AGREED TO AND SIGNED, THEN THE PROJECT FALLS APART.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE ZONE CHANGE WITH AN APPROVAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
I, I, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT I'M, I'M OVER THE HURDLE AND READY TO MOVE ON
UM, THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE FOR ME IN SEEING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT TWO YEARS AGO, THE SOLDIERS PASS COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA WAS AMENDED.
AND THAT'S A PLAN THAT ANY DEVELOPER FOR THIS SITE OR ANY OTHER, UH, WITHIN THIS, UH, FOCUS AREA WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH.
AND YOU MENTIONED OR STATED THAT YOU HAD MET THE COMPLIANCE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA, BUT IN MY MIND AND IN STAFF'S MIND, YOU HAVEN'T, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT AMENDMENT IS THAT MIXED USE, UH, REPLACED LODGING.
IT DIDN'T EXCLUDE LODGING AND, AND THE M THREE ZONE PROVIDES FOR LODGING, BUT IT PROVIDES FOR LODGING ON THAT SITE AT A MUCH LOWER, UM, DENSITY THAN YOU PROPOSED.
SO, UM, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF THAT FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE COMPLIANT IN ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AREAS, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA COMPLIANCE, COMMUNITY PLAN COMPLIANCE, AND ULTIMATELY THE LDC
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THAT IT HAS FAILED TO DO SO.AND IN STAFF'S CALCULATION, UM, THE, UM, THAT MEDIUM DENSITY, THE M THREE ZONE WOULD PERMIT UP TO 50 UNITS OF HOUSING, EXCUSE ME, OF LODGING.
SO FOR THAT REASON, UM, AND BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN INTENTIONALLY OVERLOOKED, UM, OR DISREGARDED, UM, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS, UM, ZONE CHANGE OR THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
WELL, I JUST, UM, AS MUCH AS I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT IT, BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE, UM, WHEN WE DID THE SITE VISIT, UH, YOU COULD JUST SEE, UH, THAT THIS COULD BE SOMETHING GOOD.
UH, WE DEFINITELY NEEDED HOUSING.
WE SENT HOURS HERE TONIGHT, HEARING HOW MUCH WE NEEDED HOUSING.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO REACH AGREEMENT AND, AND GET COMPLIANCE AND GET AN APPROVAL, UH, WITH STAFF, UH, FOR ME TO SUPPORT IT.
SO ARE WE READY FOR, UM, CALL FOR ACTION? CAN I ASK A QUICK LEGAL QUESTION? SURE.
UM, KURT, BECAUSE, SO THERE'S NO GRANDFATHERING IN, IF SOMEBODY'S ALREADY IN THE PERMIT PROCESS BEFORE CFA CHANGES, THERE'S NO HONORING OF SO, SO GRANDFATHERING IMPLIES TO, TO, UH, ZONING, UM, AND, AND USES THAT ARE IN THE CODE NOT TO THE PLANNING PROCESS.
UH, COMMUNITY PLANS DO AND ARE UPDATED PERIODICALLY.
I HAVE A, I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION AS WELL, KURT.
UM, DUE TO, UM, OUR CHAIR WOMAN'S ASSOCIATION WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, IS SHE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE OR DOES SHE HAVE TO ABSTAIN? UH, SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY DIRECT PECUNIARY PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS DECISION.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT.
TWO AND ALL THOSE, UH, NOT IN FAVOR.
AND CALLIE, ARE YOU A NAY? OKAY.
I'LL ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION, UH, IF THIS IS THE CORRECT MOTION.
WOULD YOU JUST, IS THIS OR, UM, THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION OF APPROVAL, HERE'S THE ALTERNATE MOTION.
NOBODY SAID WE WEREN'T A BUREAUCRACY, SO, OKAY.
I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 19 0 0 0 0 5, ZONE CHANGE VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING BASED ON THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS, FINDINGS OF COMPLIANCE, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND ADJUSTABLE MEASURES,
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION?
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I SECOND.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
WAIT,
CAN I DIDN'T SKIP THE DISCUSSION PART OF THAT MOTION.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, MAYBE LEGAL QUESTION.
WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, UM, KIND OF THEM COMMITTING TO SOME OF THESE THINGS LIKE DIGA AND, UM, SOME OF THE SUSTAINABILITY.
IS THERE A PART OF THAT MOTION WHERE THEY HAVE TO COMMIT TO ALL THE THINGS THEY HAVE PROMISED US THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WERE A PART OF YOUR STAFF REPORT OUTLINE THE, THE COMPONENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND SO THAT IS, I'M READING THEM OUT.
I'LL, I'LL READ THEM AND THEN MAKE SURE I HAVE, DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING THEY PRESENTED AT THE MEETINGS BEFORE COUNCIL AND IN THEIR LETTER OF INTENT.
OKAY, SO, UM, WE HAVE, UM, SECONDARY BUSINESS, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
HAVE YOU READ THE MOTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DEVELOPMENT DETAILS? DO YOU HAVE ANY CONDITIONS OR CHANGES YOU WISH TO OFFER TO THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PZ 19 0 0 0 5.
I CAN MAKE ONE THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING CHANGE MOTION.
UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 19 DASH 0 0 0 0 5 DEVELOPMENT VILLAGE AT S ROCK CROSSING.
BASED ON THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS THAT IT RELATES TO, UM, HELP ME WITH THIS ONE.
YEAH, I DON'T,
IT COMPLIES WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE GENERAL PLAN.
DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT AGAIN? IT, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU WANTED TO SAY THAT.
IT COMPLIES WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN, THE, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE, UH, COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA, COMMUNITY FOCUS ERROR.
WHAT ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS PROVIDED? THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF THE SHE SHOULD READ.
BASED ON THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS PROPOSED BY STAFF IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL MEMO TO THE STAFF REPORT.
OKAY, THE SECOND FOR THIS MOTION.
I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
[7. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
ALL RIGHT.UH, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. AGENDA ON NUMBER SEVEN.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE MEETING ON THE 20TH IS DO YOU COMMUNITY PLAN? IS THE COMMUNITY PLAN PUBLIC? LET'S WAIT.
CAN YOU GO OUT QUIETLY PLEASE? NO CONVERSATIONS.
OKAY, SO THE 20TH IS YOUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, LIKE WE MENTIONED EARLIER, CYNTHIA IS WORKING HARD TO GET THAT UPDATED DRAFT TO YOU.
UM, SO I THINK HER GOAL IS STILL BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
IT MIGHT BE FRIDAY INSTEAD OF THURSDAY.
UM, BUT SHE WILL GET THAT TO YOU AND THEN SHE'LL PROBABLY LIKE SLEEP FOR
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LIKE THREE DAYS OR SOMETHING.UM, BUT YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR NEXT AGENDA.
UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE HAVE ON THAT.
WE DID NOT TRY TO SCHEDULE MULTIPLE THINGS ON THAT, THAT DATE.
UM, MARCH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONFIRMED, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROJECTS THAT, UM, WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT THIS WEEK.
UM, BUT THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING ON THE FIFTH.
AND, UM, I ASKED FOR A PRINTED COPY OF THE FIRST DRAFT.
UM, I'D LIKE ONE FOR THIS AMENDED DRAFT AND IF ANYONE ELSE WE LET STAFF KNOW, AND IF YOU DO, YOU PROBABLY WILL NEED, YOU'LL PROBABLY GET THE DIGITAL COPY FIRST AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO STOP BY SOMETIME NEXT WEEK TO GET THE PRINTED COPY.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS TO BE CONDUCTED, WE'LL, UM, ADJOURN WITHOUT OBJECTION AT 9 35.
I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO OBJECT.
I, I HAVE BLOOD ORANGES HERE IF ANYONE WANTS ANY.