* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] I HAD LIKE TO CALL [1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL] THIS MEETING TO ORDER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. UM, TODAY'S FEBRUARY 20TH. IF YOU'D ALL JOIN ME IN AND RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. MY PLEDGE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL DONU. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? YES. VICE CHAIR HO. HERE. COMMISSIONER MARTIN? HERE. COMMISSIONER BRAM? HERE. COMMISSIONER HURST? HERE. COMMISSIONER WHEEL HERE. AND COMMISSIONER GSKI HERE. AND CHAIR LEVIN IS EXCUSED. THANK YOU. OKAY, UM, NUMBER [2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF] TWO IS ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? NO. VICE CHAIR. WE DO NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, UH, AS FOR COMMISSION ANNOUNCEMENTS, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THIS IS AN UNUSUALLY SMALL GROUP THAT YOU'RE SEEING SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING. WE HAVE TWO OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE, UM, NOT WELL ENOUGH TO TAKE PLACE IN PERSON, BUT THEY'RE HERE, UM, VIA ZOOM OR WHATEVER WE CALL IT , AND ONE WHO, UM, IS NOT WELL ENOUGH TO PARTICIPATE AT ALL. SO OUR THOUGHTS GO OUT AND WELL WISHES TO, UM, THE THREE OF YOU. NEXT. UH, WE'RE [3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES] GOING TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES. FEBRUARY 6TH SITE VISIT. FEBRUARY 6TH. REGULAR MEETING. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? OKAY, THEN WE'LL CONSIDER THOSE APPROVED. [4. PUBLIC FORUM] NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS 38 4 31 0 1 H. ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE. AND SO FAR, I HAVE ONLY ONE, UH, ITEM FOR PUBLIC FORM. IF, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ASIDE FROM JUDITH GRIMMER, WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT DURING THE PUBLIC FORM? IF SO, FILL OUT A CARD PLEASE AND TURN IT IN. AND IF MS. GRIMMER WOULD COME UP RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU WOULD, UH, STATE AGAIN YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. MY NAME IS JUDITH, A GRIMMER, AND, UH, I LIVE IN SEDONA. I MOVED HERE WITH MY HUSBAND IN 1985 AND BEEN LONGTIME RESIDENTS, BECAME MANAGERS OF SEDONA TERRACE APARTMENTS LLC IN 1988. AND I'M STILL HERE. SO, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK HONORABLE MAYOR AND ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IS SEDONA, ARIZONA, A SMART CITY, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. IF IT IS, I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE ADVANTAGES ARE AND THE DISADVANTAGES ARE. BUT THE THINGS THAT I HAVE RESEARCHED IS IF WE ARE A SMART CITY, IT INVOLVES TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEFINED. AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HAWAII, WHO WAS A SMART CITY WITH ALL THE FIRES AND THE HORRIBLE, UH, THING THAT HAPPENED THERE. AND SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FIND OUT IF WE ARE A SMART CITY AND IF SO, WHEN DID THAT OCCUR AND WAS THE PUBLIC INVOLVED? AND I HOPE THAT FROM HERE ON OUT, THAT PUBLIC IS INVOLVED IN DECISION MAKING. BECAUSE AS YOU UNDERSTAND, IF YOU CARRY A CELL PHONE, THEY KNOW YOUR LOCATION. IF YOU SEARCH ON GOOGLE TO DO RESEARCH, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR INTERESTS ARE. AND I JUST EXPERIENCED THAT RECENTLY WITHIN A DAY WHEN I HADN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY ABOUT SOME KIND OF FLOORING FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. SO [00:05:01] I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW MORE AND THAT I'M RAISING THAT QUESTION. I KNOW SMART SMIT CITIES ARE LIKE NEW YORK CITY WHEN THE POPULATION IS MASSIVE, CHICAGO, LA BUT SEDONA HAS CURRENTLY A POPULACE OF 9,868 PEOPLE THEREABOUTS IN 2024. WE HAVE DROPPED CONSIDERABLY AS A POPULATION, AS A TOWN OR CITY AS YOU WANNA CALL IT, AND STORES, UH, NORTH, UH, TO THE NORTH OF US IS SEDONA HILLSIDE, WHICH WE USED TO OWN THAT LAND. AND ALL THOSE STORES ARE SITTING EMPTY AND HAVE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE, AND I THANK YOU, UH, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. THANKS SO MUCH. AND YOU HAVE PERFECT TIMING. I NEGLECTED TO TELL YOU YOU HAD THREE MINUTES, BUT YOU I KNEW THAT . PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WITH A COMMENT FOR THIS SECTION OF THE AGENDA? OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC FORUM NUMBER [5.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a revised draft of the Sedona Community Plan, that may include a recommendation to City Council.] FIVE IS CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEM THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES. THIS IS OUR ONLY, UM, SUBJECT TODAY PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REVISED DRAFT OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN THAT MAY INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. SO WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE HERE TOO, ACTUALLY SO FAR, UH, WHO WANNA GIVE COMMENT ON THAT. WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS HAVE SOME PRESENTATION BY STAFF AND WE WILL ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AT, OF, OF STAFF. THEN WE'LL TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO A DISCUSSION, UH, AMONG OURSELVES. SO WITH THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHO'S GONNA START OUT. CYNTHIA OR CARRIE. IT LOOKS LIKE CYNTHIA. OKAY. TAKE IT AWAY. GOOD EVENING VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. OKAY. SORRY. HOLD. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LATEST DRAFT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. UH, THE MOST RECENT DRAFT IS DATED FEBRUARY. UM, SO AT THE TOP OF IT, IF ANYONE GETS CONFUSED, IT SAYS FEBRUARY DRAFT AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS ONE, WHICH WAS OUR DECEMBER DRAFT. UM, I WILL JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER SOME OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. UM, ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. UH, AT THE WORK SESSION WE DID GO OVER THE PLANNING PROCESS AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORY. UM, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO A BUNCH OF DETAIL ON THAT. UM, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT OUR CONSULTANTS SOUTHWEST DECISION RESOURCES DID PUT TOGETHER A REPORT. UH, THIS IS THE COVER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE COVERING THE ENTIRE TWO YEARS. SO THAT DOCUMENT IS AVAILABLE ON THE PLAN SEDONA WEBSITE AS WELL AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, MEETING, UH, WEBSITE. SO THIS IS, I DIDN'T PRINT A LOT OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S LIKE 60 PAGES OR SO. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, YOU CAN FIND A COPY OF ALL OF THE COMMENTS ON THE DECEMBER, UM, VERSION OF THE PLAN. AND THAT IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, MEETING PAGE FOR THE STATE. AND THAT ONE IN INCLUDING SOME OTHER COMMENTS IS ABOUT 288 PAGES. SO YOU CAN SEE WHY I DIDN'T PRINT ALL OF THESE THINGS FOR YOU. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE OUR QUICK SYNOPSIS ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND SO WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT NEXT WAS BASICALLY OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUR TIMELINE. UM, FOR THE PAST ABOUT 80 DAYS. SO SAY BACK TO DECEMBER 1ST, UM, SO I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON HOW MANY DRAFTS, ET CETERA. UM, WE DID A 60 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE. UM, THAT WAS DRAFT NUMBER ONE. WE WERE CALLING DECEMBER DRAFT. UM, WE HELD COMMUNITY [00:10:01] FORUMS, TWO OF 'EM IN JANUARY, UH, VERY WELL ATTENDED. AND THEN WE HAD A WORK SESSION WITH THE COMMISSION, UH, THAT WAS JANUARY 16TH. SO WE TOOK ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AND REVISED THE DECEMBER DRAFT, CAME UP WITH THE FEBRUARY DRAFT, WHICH IS NUMBER TWO. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. AND SO WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW IS WE'LL GO OVER THIS DRAFT, UM, WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC TEXT TESTIMONY AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THE DRAFT, SEE IF THERE'S OTHER CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE. UM, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING, UH, YOU GET TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL AND BY RECOMMEND IT COULD BE AS IS, IT COULD BE WITH CHANGES, ET CETERA. AND SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, UM, WE'LL FIND OUT . AND THEN FROM THERE WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDED VERSION, ASSUMING THERE'S CHANGES. UM, AND THEN THAT WILL BECOME DRAFT NUMBER THREE. SO, SO EVERYONE FOLLOWING ME, . UM, SO THEN THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR PUBLIC HEARING, MARCH 12TH, THEY WILL BE REVIEWING THE DRAFT NUMBER THREE. SO NOT ON FEBRUARY 28TH. OH, FEBRUARY 28TH. THAT WILL BE, UM, A WORK SESSION. AND THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT, AT THIS, UM, THIS DRAFT WITH YOUR CHANGES. 'CAUSE IT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND. IF YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CHANGES, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THAT READY FOR THEM. IF NOT, UM, WE'LL HAVE ALL OF OUR NOTES AND LET'S SEE, ALSO SOME CORRECTIONS TO THE PLAN. I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. UM, AND THEN AT THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING ON MARCH 12TH, THAT'S WHEN THE PLAN WOULD BE ADOPTED. UM, AND THE REASON THAT I HAVE THOSE HIGHLIGHTED RECOMMENDATION ADOPTION IS THAT THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PLAN AND IT'S NOT THE FINAL SAY. SO, UM, IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL WHO COULD MAKE REVISIONS BEFORE THEY ADOPT IT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS CLEAR ON THAT, THAT THIS IS NOT THE FINAL, FINAL STAGE. UM, BUT OUR GOAL, EXCUSE ME, CYNTHIA. YES. SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE PLAN TODAY, BUT JUST MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO SENATE CITY COUNCIL, YOU WOULD RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF IT AND THEN THEY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEY CAN EITHER ADOPT IT AS IS OR THEY CAN ALSO MAKE CHANGES. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO LET'S SEE. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A FINAL PLAN BEFORE MARCH 25TH. AND THAT IS BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE 10 YEARS SINCE OUR LAST PLAN WAS EFFECTIVE ON, UM, MARCH 25TH. AND THAT WAS BACK IN 20 13, 14. THANK YOU. OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T BE 10 YEARS . UM, YEAH, SO THE FINAL ONE WOULD BE FOUR, NUMBER FOUR. SO THE REASON I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IS THAT, SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT, IT'S GOING THROUGH THESE STAGES AND IT WILL EVOLVE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ON THAT? NO. OKAY. SO WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO KIND OF DIGEST ALL OF THESE COMMENTS AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ON THE CONVEO WEBSITE, AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, WHEN WE SAY CONVEO, THAT IS THE PLAN SEDONA.COM. SO IT'S A SEPARATE WEBSITE FROM THE CITY WEBSITE. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE POSTED THE DOCUMENT AND PEOPLE HAVE THE OPTION TO GO IN AND MAKE COMMENTS DIRECTLY ON THE DOCUMENT. UH, WE ALSO HAVE COMMENT FORMS THAT THEY CAN FILL OUT. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I THINK IT WORKED PRETTY WELL. UM, ACCORDING TO THIS, WE HAD 2,315 VIEWS OF THE DOCUMENT. AND YES, I KNOW THAT UM, MANY PEOPLE WENT IN THERE MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT THAT'S STILL A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER. UM, AND THEN COMMENTERS ONLY 26, WHICH IS INTERESTING. UM, BUT THEY HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS, 696 [00:15:02] TOTAL. UM, SO WE HAD COMMENT FORMS FILLED OUT AND WE ALSO HAD EMAILS THAT WERE SENT IN. AND I, UH, ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO SENT YOU SOME MORE COMMENT LETTERS THAT CAME IN. IF THERE WAS ANYTHING IN THE LAST FEW HOURS, UM, WE CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU. WE DID HAVE ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF, DID YOU GET A COPY OF THIS? WHO IS IT FROM? OH, OKAY. WE'LL HOLD ONTO THAT ONE FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, LET'S SEE, I THINK ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY, SO THE FEBRUARY DRAFT REVISIONS, UM, QUESTION WAS HOW IS IT DIFFERENT FROM THE DECEMBER DRAFT? AND IF I COULD EXPLAIN THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A TRACK CHANGES. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES, SOME OF 'EM ARE MINOR, BUT WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION SUGGESTIONS ON UM, FORMATTING GRAMMAR, HOW THINGS ARE ORGANIZED AND ARRANGED. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE CORRECTED THINGS, APOLOGIZED FOR TYPOS, ET CETERA. UM, WE HAVE SOME THINGS LIKE WEB LINKS THAT MAYBE ARE NOT ACTIVE OR WE HAVE THINGS IN THERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD WEB LINKS TO. UM, SIMILARLY WITH REFERENCING OF DOCUMENTS. UM, AND THEN ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE DID NOT CHANGE THE MAP. UM, FOR THE FEBRUARY DRAFT WE ONLY HAD TWO MINOR CHANGES AND I WANTED TO POINT THOSE OUT. UM, ONE OF 'EM WAS JUST A, A MISTAKE ON THE, THE MAPPING AND IT WOULD BE TO 80 RIGBY ROAD AND IT SHOULD SHOW AS MULTI-FAMILY HIGH DENSITY. SO THAT WAY IT MATCHES THE PARCEL JUST TO THE NORTH OF IT. SO THAT WAS JUST A MISTAKE ON THE MAP. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A CHANGE ON THE LEGEND UNDER OTHER OPEN SPACE, IT SHOULD SAY OTHER PRIVATE OR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU LOOKED AT THE LEGEND, YOU HAVE PARKS AND YOU HAVE FOREST SERVICE. AND THEN THE THIRD CATEGORY WOULD BE THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE. AND THEN, LET'S SEE, SOME OF THE MAJOR THINGS, AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE CHANGES. UM, WE TOOK SUGGESTIONS, LIKE ACTION ITEMS, THOSE ARE CONSOLIDATED IN ONE LIST AT THE END OF EACH CHAPTER. UH, WE MOVED THE OPEN SPACE SECTION TO THE ENVIRONMENT CHAPTER NEXT TO THE OAK CREEK SECTION. IT JUST MADE MORE SENSE TO PUT IT THERE THAN IN THE LAND USE SECTION. UM, LET'S SEE. THAT'S IT. OKAY. AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER REVISIONS PROPOSED, WHICH WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO A LOT OF THIS. UM, SOME OF IT WOULD BE CORRECTIONS FROM THE DECEMBER WE TOOK OUT SOME OF THE CHARTS BECAUSE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH THE DATA, HOW IT WAS PRESENTED, ET CETERA. UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THAT RIGHT AND ALSO THE MOST UPTODATE. SO WE WOULD WANNA UPDATE AND ADD A FEW CHARTS, UH, MAPS, SIMILAR ISSUE, SAME THING WITH ILLUSTRATIONS. UM, AND THEN ANOTHER SUGGESTION THAT WE'VE HAD IS WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ADD AN APPENDIX AND WE, WE THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR PEOPLE. AND SO THAT WOULD, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS REFERENCES AND RESOURCES. SO THROUGHOUT THE PLAN WE REFERENCE OTHER PLANS OR STUDIES REPORTS, ET CETERA. AND SO THAT WAY WE WOULD HAVE IT ALL IN ONE LIST. SO IF YOU WANTED TO GO TO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, IT WOULD BE LISTED, YOU COULD CLICK A LINK AND IT WOULD PULL UP THE PLAN. UM, SO THAT COULD GO IN THERE AS WELL AS GLOSSARY. UM, AND IF THERE'S ACRONYMS THAT CAN ALSO GO IN THERE. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING TERMS THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT WE COULD PUT IN A GLOSSARY. SO THOSE ARE UM, SOME OF THE THOUGHTS AS FAR AS CHANGES. UM, AND THEN WHAT I HAVE IN QUOTES HERE, THIS WOULD BE, UM, WHEN YOU GO TO, TO MAKE A MOTION, THE WAY WE CAN CAPTURE THAT IS TO SAY OTHER REVISIONS AS PROPOSED BY STAFF, INCLUDING CORRECTIONS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO GRAPHICS, IMAGES, AND DATA. SO AGAIN, THAT'S A GENERALIZED LIST [00:20:01] OF IMPROVEMENTS. UM, AND IT'S NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ALL OF THEM. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY PART OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY WOULD BE ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE. WE HAVE NOTED MANY OF THE, UM, CORRECTIONS ON THE FEBRUARY DRAFT THAT NEED TO BE MADE. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ENCOMPASSED BY THIS LARGER STATEMENT OF IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO TO BACK UP A MINUTE, WE WILL GO THROUGH EVERY CHAPTER AND WHEN I DO THAT, I WILL POINT OUT ANY OF THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE MADE. SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO BEFORE THAT IS TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS PLAN REALLY GETS IMPLEMENTED. AND I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THIS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE CHAPTERS BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, WITH HOUSING, THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY RELEVANT. UM, BUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PLAN, REALLY THE KEY COMPONENTS OF IT WOULD BE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND IN 2013 THEY DID NOT UPDATE THE MAP AT ALL. THERE, THERE WERE REALLY NO CHANGES OTHER THAN CORRECTIONS. AND SO THAT'S SOMEWHAT SIGNIFICANT THAT WE DID DO THAT THIS TIME AROUND. AND IT'S RELATIVELY SIMPLE, THE CHANGES WE MADE, WE HAD WHAT'S CALLED PLANNED AREAS IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN AND WE CHANGED THAT TO MIXED USE. AND THEN WE HAD A FEW OTHER PARCELS, UM, ONE OF WHICH SINGLE FAMILY, YEAH, IT WAS SINGLE FAMILY AND WE ARE PROPOSING MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAD BEEN TALKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR QUITE A WHILE IN ADVANCE. SO IT'S NOT A SURPRISE TO THEM. UM, ANYBODY WHO HAD PLANNED AREA OR ANY OTHER CHANGE. THEY RECEIVED ACTUALLY TWO LETTERS OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS, UM, LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT THE CHANGE AND THEN THEY COULD CALL US, THEY COULD EMAIL US IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, AND WE'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND I THINK MAYBE ONE WAY TO EXPLAIN IT ON PLANNED AREA, AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THIS ON THE MAP, UM, IF I CAN ZOOM IN, THE LARGER YOU CAN MAKE THAT THE BETTER . I KNOW IT'S KIND OF TERRIBLY OKAY ANYWAY, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY NECESSARILY MATTER. UM, BUT IT'S GRAY AND IT USED TO BE GRAY. UM, SO A PLANNED AREA WAS A VERY GENERAL TERM KIND OF IMPLYING THAT IT WOULD BE DETERMINED LATER WITH THE LAND USES. AND WE ARE SWITCHING THAT TO MIXED USE, WHICH IS ALSO A BROAD TERM AND IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO A PARCEL. WHEN WE SAY MIXED USE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A MIX OF USES IN THE AREA AROUND IT. UM, IT WOULD BE WHERE YOU WOULD SEE THE CHANGE IS IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WANTS TO DO A ZONE CHANGE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THIS MAP IS DIFFERENT. THE ZONE CHANGE SHOULD ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. UM, SO IF, IF THEY FALL WITHIN THAT MIXED USE GRAY ZONE AND THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THEIR ZONING, THE IDEAL THING IS THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALIGN FOR EXAMPLE WITH MIXED USE. UM, AND SO COUPLE OF POINTS ON THAT. ONE IS THAT IT'S NOT CHANGING ANYBODY'S PROPERTY. UM, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH IT, ET CETERA. UM, IT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE IT EASIER IF THEY WANNA DEVELOP AND THE PLANNED AREA WAS TOO VAGUE AND LIMITING. UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS, YOU COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT. UM, BUT WHY I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT IS SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A ZONING MAP, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS ZONING. AND THAT IF A CHANGE WERE TO OCCUR, IT STILL COMES THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WE STILL NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS, UM, ET CETERA. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MAP? YES. UM, MAYBE CLARIFICATION FOR ME OR CLARIFICATION FOR, FOR THE ROOM. SO IF YOU HAVE AN AREA [00:25:01] THAT IS COLORED AND GRAY, IT'S NOW CALLED A MIXED USED USE AREA. AND LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE THERE ARE 10 PARCELS WITHIN THAT AREA AND ONE PARCEL COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO BUILD MULTI-FAMILY AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER PARCEL THAT COMES IN, THEY WANNA BUILD COMMERCIAL. SO THEY STILL HAVE TO COME TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR A ZONE CHANGE IN THOSE AREAS IF THEY ARE CHANGING THEIR ZONING. YES. OKAY. SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH THIS MAP AND THE ZONING MAP ABSOLUTELY. TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE. YES. IF, IF THEY ARE DOING WHATEVER THEIR ZONING ALLOWS THEM TO DO, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP. OKAY. IT UM, DID THAT CONFUSE MORE THAN HELP? UM, I'M, I'M A LITTLE FENCED TODAY, SO EXCUSE ME. WELL IF THEY, IF THEY COME IN AND THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP, LET'S SAY THEIR ZONE COMMERCIAL AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO COMMERCIAL, UM, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH PLANNING A ZONING COMMISSION FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE A ZONE CHANGE AND IT WOULD NOT BE A, A CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. NOW WHERE IT GETS COMPLICATED, ALL OF THIS STUFF IS KIND OF COMPLICATED IS THAT IF YOU'RE ZONED COMMERCIAL, YOU GO TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SEE WHAT'S ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL. AND AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THIS GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING IS THAT, UM, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS A PERMITTED USE IN COMMERCIAL. AND IF I SAY ANY OF THIS WRONG OR CONFUSING, I'M GONNA HAVE CARRIE CORRECT ME 'CAUSE THIS IS HER EXPERTISE. YOU'RE GOOD SO FAR. OKAY. SO I, I I GUESS, UH, SO IS GOING FROM A AREA DESIGNATED AS A PLANNED AREA VERSUS MIXED USE, IS IT REALLY JUST A TERMINOLOGY CHANGE? I WOULD SAY SO MORE OR LESS. SO IF SOMEONE IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS CAME IN AND THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, ZONED SINGLE FAMILY AND THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN SINGLE FAMILY, WE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE. IF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SAYS YOU'RE STILL SINGLE FAMILY, WE'D BE LIKE, WELL NOW YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A MAJOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT AND THAT'S GONNA BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. WHEREAS IF THEY'RE IN A MIXED USE AREA, SAY, OKAY, THERE ARE SOME CONSIDERATIONS AND NOW LET'S CONTINUE TALKING, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC APPROVAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW HOW THEIR PROJECT IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE OVERALL VISION THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN LAYS OUT THE STANDARDS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EACH ZONE CHANGE IS EVALUATED ON ITS OWN MERITS, BUT IT REMOVES THE STEP OF THEM HAVING TO AMEND THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN AS WELL IF THEY'RE ALREADY IN A MIXED USE AREA. AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING ALIGNS WITH THE EXPECTATIONS FOR THOSE AREAS. SO JUST ONE MORE NOTE OF CLARIFICATION FOR ME. SO IN DEVELOPING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU DIDN'T TAKE A PARCEL, FOR INSTANCE, THAT HAD BEEN, UH, COMMERCIAL AND CHANGE IT TO MIXED USE? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK THE LIST, BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I DO NOT THINK WE MADE ANY CHANGES LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO IF SOMETHING WAS PLANNED AREA, NOW IT'S JUST CALLED A MIXED USE AREA? YES, I CAN ANSWER THAT. UM, 70 DRY CREEK IS COMMERCIAL AND LISTED AS MIXED USE ON FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO THEY'RE END ALL THE PARCELS ALONG WHITE BEAR NEXT TO IT. THOSE WERE ALL CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL AND THAT LISTED AS MIXED USE ON THE FUTURE PLAN USE MAP. UM, SO IS IT OKAY CHAIR IF I OR VICE CHAIR IF I THROW IN A COMMENT SINCE I'M TALKING? UM, OKAY. AND SHOULD WE MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN MIXED USE ZONING AND MIXED USE? UH, RIGHT. YEAH. SO THE PLUM, MY NEW ACRONYM, THE PROPERTIES THAT COLLIE IS MENTIONING ARE PLANNED AREA IN THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT ARE ZONED. THERE ARE SOME ZONINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE ALL PLANNED AREA IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SURE. UM, COLLIE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND THEN AFTER THAT WILL HAS SOME COMMENTS, RIGHT? OR QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. OKAY, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD WILL. THANK YOU. UM, SO I, I'M A PROPERTY OWNER FOR SOME OF THESE CHANGES AND WE DID RECEIVE OUR FIRST LETTER ON JANUARY 31ST. SO I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO BE AWARE. WE, WE DID EVENTUALLY RECEIVE A LETTER, BUT ONLY ONE OF THEM, UM, WHICH I WAS VERY HAPPY TO RECEIVE AND THEN PUT IN PUBLIC COMMENTS UNDER A [00:30:01] PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET. CYNTHIA, ARE WE NOT GETTING THE PROPERTY OWNER COMMENTS? UM, I WILL HAVE TO CHECK. I, IT MAY HAVE BEEN SKIPPED BECAUSE IT WAS A DIFFERENT FORM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTY OWNER COMMENTS AND UM, I KNOW MAC PUT ONE IN TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO. SO THAT'S, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMMENTS COMING IN TO PLAN SEDONA FROM ALL OF THE FORMS, NOT JUST THE RIGHT. UM, SINCE WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING EMAILS AND STUFF, THAT'D BE GREAT. SO IF YOU COULD PASS THOSE ALONG TO US IF YOU, IF YOU FIND THEM. YEAH. AWESOME. UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, ZONING AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT MAP AND I, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT THIS, CYNTHIA, BUT, UM, THERE ARE SOME PLANNED PREVIOUS PLANNED AREA DESIGNATED PLACES THAT WERE CHANGING TO MIXED USE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A ZONING MAP, BUT I THINK WE'RE LOSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE MIXED USE BASICALLY ANOTHER BLOCK OVER IN A LOT OF THESE AREAS. UM, BECAUSE IN GENERAL I, I DON'T SEE A TON OF PEOPLE REZONING THEIR COMMERCIAL TO MIXED USE. THERE'S VERY FEW REASONS WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO DO THAT, BUT, BUT TO CREATE A BUFFER AS IS, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT BEST PRACTICE, UM, THAT MIXED USE SHOULD REALLY BORDER CURRENT COMMERCIAL. AND SO I WANT TO BRING THAT UP AS AN OPTION BECAUSE A LOT OF THE GRAY THAT'S SHOWN ON THAT MAP OVERLAPS COMMERCIAL NOW AND I JUST DON'T SEE A TON OF PROPERTY OWNERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF DOWN ZONING RATHER THAN UP ZONING IF WE MOVED IT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ONE STREET OVER OR, UM, GAVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT IN WHAT USED TO BE LARGER PARCEL SINGLE FAMILY OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I JUST WANNA BRING UP THAT CONCERN. I'D JUST LIKE TO TAG ON ONE LITTLE THING BEFORE WE GET TO COMMISSIONER WILL. UM, SO THERE'S BEEN NOTIFICATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN CORRECT A NOTIFICATION LIKE A 300 FOOT OR ANY KIND OF FOOTAGE, UM, NOTIFICATION TO THOSE AROUND THOSE PROPERTIES, NOT A DIRECT NOTIFICATION. OKAY. THEY GOT THE GENERAL NOTIFICATION OF THIS HEARING. WELL, YEAH, YEAH, BUT NOT RIGHT. YOU, YOU ARE LIVING NEXT TO A FUTURE MIXED USE PARCEL PERHAPS ANYWAY. OKAY. UM, I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE WENT ALONG AS UM, COMMISSIONER GAKIS TALKING, THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS MORE NOTIFICATION TO, UM, AREAS ADJACENT. THEY STILL, THEY STILL HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS, CORRECT? I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING UNILATERAL FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT AS OPPOSED TO A REQUESTING NO, NONE. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOESN'T CHANGE THE ZONING MAP. AND SO IF SOMEONE WITH A, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WANTED TO TURN TO MIXED USE, THEY'D STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS, WHICH INCLUDES NOTIFICATION. COULD TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT THE WAY YOU MEANT IT. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT? I, I HAVE RIGHT FROM CALI. OH, OKAY. WE'RE FINISHED WITH, UM, WILL GO AHEAD. UH, I MADE THE ONLY ONE, I BELIEVE I BROUGHT THIS UP THE FIRST TIME WE WENT OVER THIS, BUT THIS MAP IS JUST SO MANY LARGE LIGHTS AND DARKS TO ME IT, THERE'S NO COLOR HERE. SO IF THERE WAS SOME WAY FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT NEEDED TO USE IT COULD SEE, UH, WHAT THE LEGEND IS AND, AND HOW IT'S SOMEHOW CONNECTED. WHETHER IT'S LINES GOING SIDEWAYS OR BOX, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A WAY THAT ALL OF US WOULD BE ABLE TO READ THIS MAP. SO YES, THOSE OF US THAT ARE COLOR CHALLENGED, YES, I AGREE. WE HAVE STEVE OVER HERE WHO IS ALSO COLORBLIND AND UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY CHANGED UP SOME OF OUR MAPS AND IMAGES, UM, WHEN IT IS FINALIZED, LIKE IF YOU GO INTO OUR CITY OF SEDONA GIS WEBSITE AND YOU PULL UP THE MAPS, THAT'S AN INTERACTIVE SITE WHERE YOU CAN CLICK ON A PARCEL AND IT WILL TELL YOU THE DESIGNATIONS. UM, AT THIS POINT, HAD WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE DONE THAT FOR THE DRAFT. UM, WE DID NOT. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE COLOR CHANGES, BECAUSE WE, WE DIDN'T GET INTO CHANGING THE MAP, WHICH IS WORKING WITH OUR, OUR GIS STAFF. UM, WE HAVEN'T MADE THE COLOR CHANGES, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'LL BE A SLIGHTLY BIGGER [00:35:01] DISCUSSION THAN YOU MIGHT THINK BECAUSE HOW IT MIGHT CORRELATE WITH THE ZONING MAP. UM, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY SHADES OF YELLOW , BUT I DON'T SEE ANY OF THEM, SO THAT'S NOT HELPFUL. , THERE'S ONE YET , BUT YES, WE, WE WILL TALK WITH OUR UM, GIS MAPPING PERSON ABOUT IT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, REGARDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DEFINITIONS OR, OKAY, ANYTHING FROM COMMISSIONER WISE ON THAT SUBJECT? YOU'RE MUTE. I SAID I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. ANYTHING FROM WHAT, UH, ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS I SHOULD SAY, UH, REGARDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP? YEAH, I HAD A QUE MEAN, MY QUESTION WAS IS I MIMIC WHAT COLI SAID ABOUT THE MIXED USE IN THE COMMERCIAL AND I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR HER RESPONSE TO THAT CONCERN REGARDING CREATING IT MORE OF A BORDER AND A TRANSITION AREA AS OPPOSED TO OVERLAPPING WHAT'S ALREADY COMMERCIAL. SO WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT AND BECAUSE THOSE AREAS ARE PLANNED AREA AND ARE JUST GOING TO MIXED USE, WE THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOME VALUE IN LEAVING THE AREAS THAT UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT ON JUST ITS INDIVIDUAL PARCEL, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO CHANGE IT, BUT THEN YOU LOSE THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA THAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED AS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT COMMERCIAL. AND SO IN DIFFERENT AREAS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE MIXED USE AREA, PLANNED AREA. NOW MIXED USE AREAS PROPOSED MIGHT BE FIVE OR SIX LOTS DEEP AND YOU MIGHT START GETTING, AS YOU LOOK AT A ZONING MAP, YOU MIGHT START GETTING DIFFERENT COLORS IN THERE, DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS BECAUSE AS DIFFERENT PROPERTY COM OWNER OWNERS COME IN AND TRY AND TRY TO ADDRESS THAT PLANNED AREA, MIXED USE AREA, THEY'RE GONNA, LIKE, SOMEONE MIGHT WANT TO DO A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING, SOMEONE MIGHT WANT TO DO A DUPLEX, SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO DO A TRIPLEX. LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT IDEAS OF HOW TO ADDRESS THE GOALS OF THE AREA AS A WHOLE, BUT LEAVING IT ON THE MAP AS JUST A SINGLE PLANNED AREA, MIXED USE AREA, KEEP SOME OF THAT ORIGINAL INTEGRITY OF WHY IT WAS CHANGED IN THE FIRST PLACE AND KEEPING THOSE BOUNDARIES AS IS. UM, JUST MAINTAIN SOME OF THAT HISTORY GOING FORWARD OF WHY IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN COMMERCIAL. SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS THE DECISION THAT WE MADE TO LEAVE IT AS IS, BUT OPEN TO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. SO, UM, I HEAR, I HEAR KEEPING IT AS IS, BUT I ALSO KNOW OUR NEED FOR HOUSING DIVERSITY AND MIXED USE IS SUCH A GREAT TOOL FOR HOUSING DIVERSITY AND SO TO JUST KEEP IT AS IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, FEELS SHORTSIGHTED FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. I GUESS THAT'S WHY I, I BROUGHT THIS IDEA UP QUITE A FEW TIMES AND SO I'M SORRY THAT YOU CONTINUE TO HEAR IT FROM ME. UM, BUT I'M, I'M REALLY PUSHING FOR THE EXPANSION OF MIXED USES, UM, ON THIS MAP FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS FOR HOUSING DIVERSIFICATION. UM, IT IS A TOOL THAT PEOPLE CAN USE TO GET THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS, WHICH IS ALREADY ARDUOUS. UH, IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THEM A CHANGE, IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, GUARANTEE THEY GET THIS PROJECT THROUGH, BUT IT IT, IT'S A TOOL THAT THEY COULD HAVE. SO RATHER THAN LIMITING OURSELVES BY A HISTORICAL MAP WHERE HOUSING WASN'T AS BIG OF AN ISSUE 10 YEARS AGO FEELS A LITTLE BIT SILLY UNNECESSARILY. UM, LIKE AS YOU GUYS SAY, THIS ISN'T A ZONING MAP, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYBODY HAS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, BUT LIMITING PEOPLE TO HAVE THIS TOOL SEEMS THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND I, I DON'T WANT US TO MISS IT, WHICH IS WHY I'M NOT, I KEEP BRINGING IT UP. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT AS I BRING IT UP AGAIN. SO I GUESS THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT WOULD BE, I REALLY SECOND THAT AS WELL. I REALLY SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. OKAY. HOW ABOUT WHEN WE GET TO THE ACTUAL DISCUSSION PERIOD, WHICH IS LATER ? UM, WE'LL SORT OF SEE BECAUSE THAT SEEMS MORE OF A DISCUSSION TO ME THAN A CLARIFICATION. I THINK IT'S A QUESTION AT LEAST I WAS OKAY. PREPARING AN ANSWER. OKAY, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. UM, BECAUSE I, I WAS NOT FOLLOWING COLLIE AT FIRST. UM, AND THEN AS I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP, I'M REALIZING THAT THE AREA THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, UM, IS WHITE BEAR, WHICH IS RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR OFFICE. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, AND I KNOW AT THIS SCALE YOU PROBABLY CANNOT SEE IT, BUT THERE'S A DASHED LINE AND THAT IN INDICATES A FUTURE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA AND THAT'S THE TRANSITIONAL AREA. SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH A COMMUNITY [00:40:01] FOCUS AREA PLANNING PROCESS, THAT'S WHEN WE WILL LOOK AT WHERE THE EXACT CFA BOUNDARY IS AND ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME IS WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THAT LEVEL, UM, THAT I BELIEVE COLEY'S TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE WOULD LOOK AT THESE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 'CAUSE THERE, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT ONES AS YOU HEAD NORTH ON DRY CREEK. UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD DO AT THE CFA STAGE AS OPPOSED TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN STAGE. OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. I HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, TIMING I GUESS. SO IF YOU HAVE A UM, MIXED USE AREA THAT'S COMPOSED OF MULTIPLE PARCELS AND YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE MIXED USE OVERALL EACH PARCEL IS LIKE A SQUARE ON THE CHECKERBOARD. MM-HMM . UM, THE FIRST ONES THAT COME IN AND SAY I WANT TO CHANGE TO SUCH AND SUCH, UH, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT REQUIRE REZONING WOULD GET MORE ATTENTION, UH, OR IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THEM AND THEN THOSE WHO WANT TO REDEVELOP LATER OR DEVELOP LATER WOULD HAVE TO ADHERE TO SOME IN CASE THERE'S NOT A BALANCE YET FOR MIXED USE. UM, IT'S A QUESTION I'M JUST SURE. I MEAN EACH ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION WOULD BE EVALUATED ON ITS OWN MERITS BASED ON THE TIME THAT IT WAS SUBMITTED. AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AS STAFF IS THAT WE ARE CONTINUALLY MEETING WITH PEOPLE WHO WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH? WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY PLAN SAY RIGHT NOW? WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT COUNCIL PRIORITIES? ALL OF THAT. AND SO EACH, YEAH, SO SOMETHING THAT CAME IN FIVE YEARS AGO MIGHT BE LOOKED AT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IF IT CAME IN TODAY, BUT WE WOULD JUST EVALUATE EACH ONE AS IT CAME IN AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND CITY COUNCIL WOULD MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. BUT THERE, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS ONLY HALF OF THE PROPERTIES IN THIS MIXED USE AREA CAN BE REZONED, SO YOU BETTER BE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES. MM-HMM , THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST WE WOULD EVALUATE THEM EACH ON THEIR OWN MERITS AS THEY'RE SUBMITTED. OKAY, THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING, OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA TELL US ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE MAPS? SORT OF LUMS? OKAY. OKAY. SO, UH, THE NEXT SLIDE THAT I HAVE HERE IS ALSO IMPLEMENTATION. AND THIS RELATES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE IF THEY WANT TO MAKE, MAKE A CHANGE, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED MAJOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA AND MINOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA. AND SO THE MAJOR AMENDMENT, IT USED TO HAPPEN JUST ONCE A YEAR AND THE STATE CHANGED THAT STATUTE AND SAYS THAT WE CAN DO IT ANY TIME OF THE YEAR. UM, BUT WHEN IT WAS ONCE A YEAR IT WAS A PRETTY ONEROUS PROCESS, UH, FOR A PROPERTY OWNER AND WE HAD ALL OF THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS PLAN IS WE SIMPLIFIED TO MAKE IT A LOT EASIER. THERE'S BASICALLY, UH, TWO RELEVANT CRITERIA HERE. UM, IF THEY WERE TO MAKE A CHANGE TO NON-RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S MORE THAN FIVE ACRES, THEN IT IS GONNA BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR AMENDMENT OR IF THEY ARE PROPOSING ANY LAND USE CHANGE TO, TO COMMERCIAL SLASH ZONING. UH, I THINK IT'S THE PURPLE COLOR ON THE MAP SLASH LODGING, COMMERCIAL SLASH LODGING , SORRY. UM, YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE MAJOR AND THEN WE'VE SWITCHED THINGS UP FOR WHAT IS CONSIDERED MINOR. UM, ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO RESIDENTIAL USE OR A RESIDENTIAL DENSITY CHANGE, UM, OR ANY CHANGE TO RE TO NON-RESIDENTIAL THAT'S LESS THAN FIVE ACRES. AND SO ONE OF THE REASONS FOR DOING THAT IS TO HELP WITH OUR HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY SITUATION BECAUSE THE WAY THE CRITERIA WAS SET UP IN THE PAST, IT WAS SUCH A, A LONG LENGTHY PROCESS TO GO THROUGH, UH, A MAJOR AMENDMENT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T BOTHER. UM, SO THIS WILL HOPEFULLY STREAMLINE THINGS A LITTLE BIT FOR SOME OF OUR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECTS THAT MIGHT COME THROUGH AND THAT CARRIE MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD. I WAS JUST GONNA ADD IN, UM, THIS CHANGES THE CRITERIA AND THE [00:45:01] PROCESS, BUT IT DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT WE REVIEW FOR. SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE IT, IT IS NOT A DIFFERENT SET OF REVIEW CRITERIA. WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE SAME FINDINGS AND THE SAME NOTIFICA. WELL, THE NOTIFICATION WOULD BE LESS BECAUSE THE MAJOR MEN WAS REQUIRING A CITYWIDE NOTIFICATION. UM, BUT WE WOULD DO NOTIFICATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS. WE WOULD TAKE IT THROUGH THE SAME PUBLIC PROCESS, THE SAME FINDINGS AS FAR AS FURTHERING THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND ALL THAT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE MET NO MATTER WHICH PROCESS WE GO THROUGH THIS JUST, UM, SO WE'RE NOT, WHEN WE SAY CRITERIA, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, IT'S THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING WHICH CATEGORY IT FITS IN. I LIKE THE IDEA MORE SPECIFICITY BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY, OR CURRENTLY IT WAS, THESE ARE MAJOR, EVERYTHING ELSE IS MINOR. BUT WITHOUT REALLY DEFINING MINE THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW, ALMOST EVERYTHING IS MAJOR. UM, WHICH AGAIN, AS CYNTHIA WAS SAYING, AS WE'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN DOING SOME PROJECTS THAT MIGHT ALIGN VERY CLOSELY WITH SOME OF THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE THE PROCESS TO GET THROUGH THAT IS ON IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS WANT TO TAKE ON BECAUSE OF THEY'RE IN THAT MAJOR AMENDMENT RIGHT CATEGORY. AND I WILL THROW OUT AN EXAMPLE REAL QUICK HERE BECAUSE IT MIGHT HELP PEOPLE VISUALIZE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE HAD A PROPERTY OWNER COME IN LITTLE TINY PARCEL WITH A HOUSE, UM, AND IT WAS IN BASICALLY KIND OF SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL AND SO THEY WANTED TO DO COMMERCIAL, UM, BUT THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAD IT DOWN FOR RESIDENTIAL. UM, AND SO HE DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE IT, BUT IT MADE TOTAL SENSE IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PARCEL AND YOU WERE LIKE, WELL YEAH, IF EVERYTHING NEXT TO IT IS COMMERCIAL, UM, BUT HE WOULD'VE HAD TO GONE THROUGH A MAJOR AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN A COSTLY, LENGTHY PROCESS AND IN THE END HE DECIDED IT WASN'T WORTH THAT. UM, SO THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF, OF HOW THE CODE IS NOW CAN DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT EITHER MIGHT MAKE COMPLETE SENSE, UM, OR HAVE GOOD REASON. SO, AND JUST TO CLARIFY WHICH ONES WOULD GO THROUGH P AND Z, WHICH ONES WOULD BE STAFF LEVEL? OH, STAFF DOES NOT DO ANY OF THESE. THEY ALL GO THROUGH P AND Z. OH, EVEN THE MINOR AMENDMENTS. YES. OKAY, THANKS. ALRIGHT, SO THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE NOTIFIED. UM, IT WOULD GO THROUGH YOUR, YOUR NORMAL PROCESS. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING, ET CETERA. SO IN LOOKING AT THE DRAFT COMMUNITY PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A MAJOR AMENDMENT HAS TO BE PRESENTED AT A PUBLIC HEARING WITHIN 12 MONTHS. SO IT'S A 12 MONTH PROCESS. IS THAT WHAT THAT INDICATES? IS THAT WHAT IT'S IMPLYING? YES. SO BY GOING TO A MINOR PLAN, IT MAY NOT BE A 12 MONTH PROCESS. I MEAN HOPEFULLY IT WON'T DRAG ON TOO LONG, BUT YEAH, THERE THERE'S A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN WORKING WITH APPLICANTS TO GET ALL 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE OTHER ISSUE WITH SOME OF THE MAJOR AMENDMENTS IS THAT IT'S ON SUCH A TIGHT TIMEFRAME. IT'S ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR TO THE TIMEFRAME WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH PNZ AND CITY COUNCIL AND IF YOU NEED TO WORK BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT A LITTLE BIT, IT'S LIKE, HEY, CAN YOU REFINE THIS? CAN YOU GET, GET US THIS INFORMATION? THERE'S VERY LITTLE TIME IN THAT PROCESS, EVEN THOUGH 12 MONTHS MIGHT SOUND LIKE A LONG TIME ONCE YOU GET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE. UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED FOR MAJOR AMENDMENTS AND JUST WITHDRAWN BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MEET SOME OF THOSE TIMEFRAMES. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT CHANGE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. APPLICATIONS. OKAY. NOW WE'RE INTO THE CHAPTERS. OKAY. CHAPTER ONE, . LET ME OPEN THAT ONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, JUST A SECOND, [00:50:16] . OKAY, GO AHEAD. OKAY, SO THE FORMAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO GO THROUGH THE CHAPTERS AND AT THE BEGINNING OF A CHAPTER, I WILL GO OVER ANY OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. UM, NOT ALL OF THEM OR WE WOULD BE HERE ALL NIGHT . OKAY. SO STARTING OFF, UM, LET'S SEE WITH THE INTRODUCTION. SO THE MAJOR CHANGES IN THE INTRODUCTION, I WOULD SAY IS UNDER KEY ISSUES. THE DECEMBER DRAFT LISTED ONLY THE KEY ISSUES THAT WERE RELEVANT TO MULTIPLE CHAPTERS WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU WOULD THEN GO TO SAY THE HOUSING CHAPTER TO SEE THE KEY ISSUES THERE. AND THAT JUST CONFUSED PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY SAID WHERE'S HOUSING, THAT'S A KEY ISSUE. UM, SO WE CHANGED THAT UP TO PUT ALL OF OUR MAJOR KEY ISSUES EXPLAINED IN THE INTRODUCTION. SO THAT WAS ONE CHANGE. UH, WE ALSO HAD A LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS FROM THE 2013 PLAN, AND AGAIN, THAT WAS CONFUSING TO PEOPLE. UM, IT REALLY WAS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. IT WAS A, A LIST TO SAY, HERE'S HOW WE IMPLEMENTED THE LAST PLAN. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE MOVED THAT INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, CHAPTER AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF EXPLAINING HERE'S HOW A PLAN GETS, UM, IMPLEMENTED. AND IT WAS JUST EXAMPLES. SO THAT WAS CHANGED. UM, LET'S SEE. WE DID CHANGE UP SOME OF THE CHARTS. UH, LET'S SEE. YEAH, I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS JUST LET ME KNOW. UM, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S OPEN FOR QUESTIONS ON THIS CHAPTER. WILL I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT? UM, ON PAGE 15, THERE'S A, A MAP OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UM, AND I JUST DID A QUICK REVIEW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE HAPPENS TO BE ONE IN HERE THAT IS ONLY A MONTHLY RENTAL. IT'S NOT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AS I DEFINE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. MM-HMM. . UM, SO I WAS JUST GONNA POINT THAT OUT TO THE PERSON THAT PUT THE MAP TOGETHER, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE CONTACT, BUT, UM, WE, I'D LIKE TO IDEALLY SEE THE LITTLE ZERO REMOVED FROM THAT ONE BECAUSE IT'S, UM, THERE ARE NO SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. OKAY. UM, AND I KNOW YOU DID LEAVE A MESSAGE WITH OUR SHORT TERM VACATION RENTAL COORDINATOR. UM, AND JUST TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ON THIS MAP. UM, THIS IS DATA THAT COMES FROM A THIRD PARTY. AND SO BASICALLY THEY SCAN THE INTERNET AND PICK UP WHO IS ADVERTISING AS A VACATION RENTAL. UM, SO ON THE ONE HAND THIS IS KIND OF A, A SNAPSHOT IN TIME. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THERE IN THE LEGEND, THERE'S SOME YELLOW DOTS, BUT THERE'S NO YELLOW DOTS ON THE MAP. WE HAVE A QUESTION IN, AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT WE WOULD CORRECT, UM, IN THE NEXT DRAFT. I DID NOT GET AN ANSWER TO THAT ONE YET. UM, AND ALSO WE HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN NUMBERS, WHEREAS THE MAP SAYS 10 80 UNIQUE LISTINGS AND THEN ON THE PAGE BEFORE THAT IT SAYS 1140. AND THAT WAS JUST A DIFFERENCE IN TIME. AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, SHORT TERM RENTALS IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING THE NUMBERS, SO. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST THE INTRODUCTION? OKAY, GREAT. SO, UM, SORRY, I DO, UM, AND THE KEY ISSUES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ARE THEY, UH, THERE ARE SIX DIFFERENT KEY ISSUES. IDENTIFY, DID YOU, UH, WEIGH SIGNIFICANCE OF ONE THROUGH SIX OR ARE THEY SOMEWHAT RANDOM, ONE THROUGH SIX? [00:55:01] ANY HIGHER? I IMPORTANCE ITEM NUMBER ONE THAN ITEM NUMBER SIX? OR ARE THEY ALL EQUALLY IMPORTANT? THEY'RE NOT ALL EQUALLY IMPORTANT, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND WE DIDN'T, IT'S REALLY HARD TO CALCULATE QUANTITY, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, COMMENTS. UM, BUT IN GENERAL, TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS NUMBER ONE. UM, AND WHERE THIS IS NOT IN ORDER OF COMMENTS, SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD BE PROBABLY NUMBER ONE. BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS VERY LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN DO. UM, AND THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T COME UP AS THE FIRST FEW OF THE KEY ISSUES HOUSING. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC OR WE ARE OUT THERE OR BUILDING THINGS TO HOPEFULLY IMPROVE IT. SO. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, WE FINISHED ONE CHAPTER. WOW. . OKAY, SO THE VISION CHAPTER HER, OKAY, THE VISION CHAPTER, EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVE A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT IT. UM, WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES, UM, WHETHER IT WAS REORDERING, UM, YOUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES. UM, WE DID CHANGE A FEW WORDS ON THE VISION STATEMENT, BUT IN GENERAL WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT MANY CHANGES. AND THEN ALSO HOW IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE CURRENT PLAN BECAUSE THAT QUESTION HAS COME UP AS WELL. UM, IT, IT WAS CHANGED AS FAR AS FORMAT AND THAT WAS BASED ON FEEDBACK REALLY PRIMARILY FROM OUR WORK GROUP, UM, WHO FOUND IT CONFUSING AND THEY WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE SAID THAT. UM, AND SO IT WAS REORGANIZED INTO CORE VALUES, GUIDING PRINCIPLES. UM, SO AFTER THE DECEMBER DRAFT, LIKE I SAID, WE MADE A FEW MINOR CHANGES BUT ESSENTIALLY LEFT IT THE SAME. AND WE FELT THAT THE GENERAL INTENT, UM, OF THIS CHAPTER WAS NOT VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN. UM, I THINK THAT YOU COULD GET INTO, AND WE DID WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON IT, HOW IT SHOULD BE ARRANGED AND WHAT WORDS YOU SHOULD USE. UM, AND THAT CAN GET COMPLICATED. SO WE DECIDED TO BE RELATIVELY HANDS OFF, UM, AND LEAVE THAT ONE UP TO P AND Z AND COUNCIL. OKAY. UM, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT ADDING IN SOME GRAPHS AND OTHER TABLES LATER, WAS ONE OF 'EM, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS DRAFT, UM, THAT HAD CORE VALUES AND THEN COMING OUT FROM IT WERE ENVIRONMENT, UM, ECONOMICS AND TOURISM AND THEN LIVABILITY? IS THAT OR SOME VERSION OF THAT GOING TO SHOW UP? SOMETIMES GRAPHICS ARE GOOD. . ONCE AGAIN, WE HAD OPINIONS ON BOTH SIDES FOR THAT ONE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SUGGEST CERTAINLY. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE STRONG OPINIONS, SO WE CAN EASILY PUT THAT BACK IN. YEAH. AND ONE OTHER QUESTION, UM, LAST TIME I THINK I HAD ASKED, AND THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. UH, YOU REORDERED THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND MOVED COMMUNITY ABOVE, UM, SUPPORTING REGIONAL ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, LOCAL BUSINESS AND RESPONSIBLE TOURISM. AND NOW I'M WONDERING , UH, IF WE SHOULD HAVE PUT ENVIRONMENT FIRST SO THAT IT WOULD READ AS THE ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE ONE COMMUNITY WOULD BE SECOND AND REGIONAL AND BUSINESSES AND TOURISM WOULD BE THIRD. AND THAT'S SOMETHING OTHERS CAN COMMENT ON IF THEY WANT, IF THEY HAVE AN OPINION ON IT OR NOT, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. OKAY. SO AGAIN, SIMILAR TO MY EARLIER COMMENTS. SO THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AGAIN, ARE THEY LISTED IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE AGAIN? WELL, I CAN SAY LAST TIME MY, MY REQUEST WAS TO MOVE COMMUNITY UP BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WE HEAR THAT COMMUNITY IS NOT AS VALUED AS, UM, TOURISTS [01:00:01] OR THOSE COMING HERE. UM, SO I JUST THOUGHT IT SENT A LITTLE BIT OF A SIGNAL THAT WAY. AND NOW I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IF ENVIRONMENT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE OVERARCHING AND THEN COMMUNITY. SO I GUESS I'M SAYING YES, LET'S SEND A SIGNAL WITH IT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAS TOO MUCH TOWEL ON THEIR HANDS. SO WHEN I READ THE THREE PRINCIPLES, I READ THEM AS JUST THREE PRINCIPLES, NOT IN ORDER. 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL SUPER IMPORTANT, STRENGTHENING OUR COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT. THEY KIND OF ALL GO TOGETHER IN A BIG CIRCLE OF KUMBAYA. ONE'S OFF BALANCE, THE OTHER ONE BECOMES OFF BALANCE SO THEY'RE TOGETHER AS EQUAL TO CREATE A COHESIVE COMMUNITY IN MY OPINION. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, IF I COULD REITERATE SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE IN THE BEGINNING THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY WE WERE LOOKING AT THINGS. UM, BUT THROUGH ALL THESE TWO YEARS OF PUBLIC INPUT AND INPUT FROM ELSEWHERE, UM, THAT'S WHERE THINGS KEEP GETTING CHANGED. YOU COULD TALK TO ONE PERSON THAT SAYS, NO, I THINK ENVIRONMENT SHOULD REFER US NO COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ABOUT COMMUNITY. SO YES, IT'S FOR US, WE WANT TO LEARN FROM YOU WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. UM, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD IT FROM UMPTEEN DIFFERENT CORNERS OF THE WORLD. AND, UH, AND, UH, JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER MARTIN MARTIN WAS SAYING IN THE BEGINNING, WE LOOK AT IT AS THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT MM-HMM . BUT YES, WE DO ALSO REALIZE THAT SOME PEOPLE PLACE A VALUE ON ONE OVER THE OTHER. ANOTHER THING THAT WE COULD DO, AND THIS, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE THE DECEMBER CHAPTER, BUT IF IT WOULD HELP, WE COULD SWITCH THAT TO BULLET POINTS INSTEAD OF 1, 2, 3, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE IN PRIORITY ORDER. WELL, THAT SOUNDS EASIER THAN CUTTING AND PASTING A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS, BUT, UM, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. I'M, I'M NOT HEARING AN OVERWHELMING DESIRE TO, TO CHANGE THAT, SO. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON VISION? ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? WELL, I SHOULD SAY QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS. OKIE DOKE. NEXT CHAPTER. OKAY. THE COMMUNITY CHAPTER WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE. UM, LET'S SEE. I DON'T THINK I HAD TOO MUCH ON THAT. I DIDN'T HAVE MAJOR CHANGES, UM, TO THIS SECTION, BUT AS WE GO THROUGH FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS, UM, AS WE GO. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, COMMENT. UM, THROUGH SEVERAL MEETINGS, IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SEE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY TALK ABOUT ADAPTABLE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN OUR PARKS FOR EXPANSION. I SEE IT'S NOT SPELLED OUT AS ADAPTABLE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. UM, BUT I DO, I DO APPRECIATE THE REWORDING OF THIS CHAPTER IN SOME AREAS WHERE ABILITIES, UM, HAS BECOME MORE OF A FOCUSED WORD INSTEAD OF IT'S NOT AS HIDDEN AND HOWEVER YOU'VE REWRITTEN IT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, IN THE BEGINNING DRAFT, THAT FIRST DRAFT, WE HAD ACTION PLANS ON PARKS AND STUFF, AND THAT'S NOT ON HERE ANY LONGER, SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A GREAT PARK, YOU KNOW, PLACE FOR THAT TO GO. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE GROW AS A CITY THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS ABLE BODIED AND, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE AMENITIES THAT ALLOW THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE NOT ABLE-BODIED TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOMES. SO, UM, I'M JUST PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT AGAIN, THE WAY YOU'VE REWORDED IT REGARDING ABILITIES, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL RESONATE WITH FUTURE PLANNERS. SO THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON COMMUNITY? YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN THAT ONE REALLY WELL. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE. I HAVE STORY. OH, YOU DO? OKAY. YEAH, I DO. GO AHEAD. UM, ON COMMUNITY ACTIONS, PAGE 31, THERE ARE BULLET 0.7, EIGHT AND NINE, WHICH WERE NOT IN THE ORIGINAL DRAFT. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD [01:05:01] TALK A LITTLE BIT HOW THEY ENDED UP, UM, INTO THE . AGAIN, MOST OF THESE ARE BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, IN FACT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER THAT CAME UP MULTIPLE TIMES, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, SIMILARLY WITH THE HUB, UM, THAT ONE ALSO CAME FROM STAFF, UM, AND SOME OF THE COMMUNITY GROUPS WHO FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD LOCATION IN GENERAL, IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE, IT, IT'S NOT REALLY, UM, DESIGNED FOR COMMUNITY MEETING SPACE YET. THAT'S HOW IT HAS BECOME USED. IT'S BEING USED THAT WAY. UM, SO THAT CAME OUT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S STAFF OR SOME OTHER GROUP. UM, AND MASTER PLAN FOR POSSE GROUNDS PARK. UM, THAT ONE BASICALLY THAT ONE'S COME UP RECENTLY. UM, THERE'S BEEN SO MANY CHANGES THERE THAT IT NEEDS A NEW MASTER PLAN. UM, AND WE'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS LIKE, DIDN'T, DIDN'T THEY HAVE ONE? DIDN'T THEY JUST DO ONE? BUT THEY DID A PARTIAL PLAN. IT WASN'T FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND THAT WAS NEVER FINALIZED OR APPROVED. YEAH, THANK YOU. AND, AND ALSO JUST IN GENERAL, IF, IF YOU SEE OTHER ACTIONS THAT WERE ADDED, UM, IF IT'S NOT SPECIFIC, THEN JUST IN GENERAL THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD IS YOU NEED MORE ACTION ITEMS AND THERE WERE CERTAIN TOPICS WHERE PERHAPS WE DIDN'T HAVE ACTION ITEMS, SO WE WERE RESPONDING TO THAT AS WELL. SO THE MASTER PLAN FOR POSSE PARK IS PUBLIC, WAS PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL AS STAFF COMMENT? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO, UM, JUST ONE QUESTION. UH, SO I KNOW WE DISCUSSED, UH, THE CULTURAL PARK MASTER PLAN, OTHER PLACES IN THE REPORT, UH, JUST SO ITEM NUMBER NINE, TALKING ABOUT MASTER PLAN FOR POSSE GROUNDS, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CULTURAL PARK IS ALONG THAT SAME CATEGORY OR THAT SAME LINE OF THINKING, UH, SHOULD WE IT'S IN THE LAND USE CHAPTER. OKAY. SO, BUT I, I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MASTER PLAN FOR POSSE GROUNDS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSE, GROUND MASTER PLAN AND CULTURAL PARK MASTER PLAN SHOULD BE KIND OF ADDRESSED IN THE SAME AREA OF THE REPORT. I THINK PROBABLY THE, WHETHER THE DIFFERENCES THAT FOR POSSE GROUND, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THAT'S A COMMUNITY PARK AND SO IT'S IN THE COMMUNITY SECTION. OKAY. WHEREAS LAND USE, I MEAN, PART OF THE PROCESS FOR MASTER PLANNING, THE CULTURAL PARK, AND STEVE CAN JUMP IN AND TELL ME I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S TO GO OUT AND DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, OBVI, YOU KNOW, THE CITY BOUGHT IT WITH THE IDEA OF DOING HOUSING, BUT THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT MIX OF LAND USES? WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHERE POSSE AROUND ALREADY HAS A DEFINED LAND USE? SO IT SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE IN THE LAND USE SECTION. AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IS. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. THAT SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME. YEAH, FOR SURE. WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. MOVING ON TO THE LAND USE CHAPTER. AND ON THIS ONE, LET'S SEE, THERE WAS SOME REWORDING OF THE GOAL, UM, AND THE CHARTS, WE CHANGED THOSE UP. AND LET'S SEE, WE DID ADD THE LEGEND AND PROBABLY THE MORE SIGNIFICANT THING IN THIS CHAPTER IS FOR EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES, WE ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DESCRIPTION. UM, THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WE HAD RECEIVED. UM, SO WE DID THAT. WE ALSO SPLIT OUT AGAIN, SO THE OTHER OPEN SPACE, IT WAS CLEAR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE THREE GREENS. UM, LET'S SEE. AND IF THE COLOR IS NOT CLEAR, HOPEFULLY THE DESCRIPTION IS CLEAR . UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO JUST ADD THAT THE INTENTION STATEMENT OF EACH OF THOSE, UM, WE, UM, LOOKED AT THE PURPOSE STATEMENTS OF THE DIFFERENT ZONING [01:10:01] DISTRICTS AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND TRIED TO KIND OF MATCH UP PURPOSES OF ZONING DISTRICTS WITH THE INTENTIONS OF THESE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. SO IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE ANY OF THAT LANGUAGE CAME FROM, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, LANGUAGE THAT WE ALREADY USE AND PURPOSE STATEMENTS FOR ZONING DISTRICTS. SO IT'S VERY CLEAR WHICH LAND USE WOULD SUPPORT WHICH ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY. LET'S SEE. A LOT OF THE OTHER CHANGES WERE JUST CLARIFICATION ON THINGS WE DIDN'T ADD. WE ADDED POLICIES, BUT WE DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING, I THINK, TO THE REMAINDER OF IT. SO QUESTIONS ON THE LAND USE CHAPTER. I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE IF IT BELONGS IN LAND USE OR, OR ELSEWHERE. SO JUST TELL ME WHERE THE PLACE WOULD BE. BUT, UM, I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, SOME VERBIAGE ABOUT LAND ACQUISITION, UM, WHETHER FOR RIPARIAN HABITAT, UM, PROTECTION OR FOR OTHER, OTHER USES. UM, AND I ALSO THINK ANNEXATION AS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEAR PERIOD SHOULD APPEAR SOMEWHERE. WOULD THOSE BE APPROPRIATE IN THE LAND USE CHAPTER OR ELSEWHERE? AND WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THAT? WELL, I, I HAD A SIMILAR COMMENT, UM, BUT I HIT IT IN, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL AND SUSTAINABLE ACTIONS, OR I FELT THAT TALKING ABOUT ACCESS TO CREEK TO INCLUDE AN ITEM THAT WOULD INCLUDE POTENTIAL CITY ACQUISITION OF PARCELS LONGO CREEK TO PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS. BUT MY COMMENT WAS IN, IN THAT SECTION, NOT THIS SECTION. MM-HMM. . SO IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME AS MUCH WHERE IT IS JUST THAT IT, THAT IT'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE. IT'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE. AND WE, I WOULD AGREE WITH SOME KIND OF COMMENTS ABOUT ANNEXATION. OKAY. SO TO ANSWER THE OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION QUESTION, IF IT'S NOT IN HERE, THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT BECAUSE WE INTENDED TO DO THAT. UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK ON THAT. UM, THAT'S PART OF THE PUTTING THE OPEN SPACE NEXT TO OAK CREEK BECAUSE OF THE CORRELATIONS THERE. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE ANNEXATION, THE MAIN REASON THAT WE DIDN'T PUT THAT IN HERE IS ANNEXATION. I KNOW IT INFLUENCES THE COMMUNITY GREATLY. UM, IS BASICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THIS IS PRIMARILY A LAND USE PLAN FOR WITHIN THE CITY. UM, AND YEAH, THAT WAS OUR REASON, AND I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY IN THE REALM OF, UH, PSE AND CITY COUNCIL TO ADVISE ON THAT. WELL, I WOULD SAY BY DEFINITION, ANNEXATION IS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, SO THAT'S SORT OF THE POINT. BUT, UM, AND WHETHER IT'S IN LAND USE OR WHETHER IT'S IN OPEN SPACE OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW. WHERE AGAIN, IT'S JUST I'M THINKING OF TOPICS THAT DESERVE DISCUSSION OR CON SOME KIND OF CONSIDERATION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEAR PERIOD. THAT'S WHAT THIS DOCUMENT MEANS TO ME. SO, UM, IF YOU HAD IT IN, WHERE WOULD YOU PUT IT? ? PROBABLY LAND USE. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IT WOULD DEFINITELY SHOW UP IN LAND USE BECAUSE IT WOULD EXTEND THE MAP. UM, AND KURT IS FAR MORE FAMILIAR WITH THIS TOPIC. IF, IF HE WANTS TO CHIME IN ON ANNEXATION BEING ADDED AS AN ACTION ITEM OR A POLICY. I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE AS SPECIFIC AS AN ACTION ITEM, BUT, SO SINCE 1988, THE CITY HAS NEVER ANNEXED ANY PARCEL. IT HAS THE EXACT SAME CITY BOUNDARIES AS IT HAD IN 1988. UM, SO I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, THERE IS NO POLICY, UH, FROM COUNCIL. MM-HMM. , UH, NOTHING HAS EVER TAKEN PLACE. UM, IF, IF, UH, P AND Z HAD A RECOMMENDATION, THEN THEY'RE CERTAINLY ARE WELCOME TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ON AS TO WHAT THAT POLICY WOULD BE. AND MAYBE SOME REASONS FOR, UM, OR AGAINST ANNEXATION. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT GENERALLY THEY, UH, LARGER CITIES LIKE DOWN IN THE PHOENIX AREA WHERE THEY HAVE LARGE PLANNING AREAS, UM, THEY WILL HAVE A PLANNING AREA IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, SHOWING AREAS THAT THEY PLAN TO, TO ANNEX IN PART, TO TRY TO BOX OUT OTHER CITIES. UM, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT SAME NEED HERE. I'M NOT SUGGESTING REALLY THAT IT GO FORWARD, [01:15:01] BUT THAT IT BE CONSIDERED, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT RUNNING OUT OF LAND AND, AND SO FORTH, OBVIOUSLY TO ME, OBVIOUSLY ONE SOLUTION IS TO GROW. UM, AND MM-HMM. , IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TABOO SUBJECT, ONE HAS TO WONDER WHY. I MEAN, IT'S, IT JUST HASN'T HAPPENED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TABOO. UM, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO BRING IT UP WITH ANY OF THE COUNSELORS. I, I WOULD AGREE THIS IDEA OF ANNEXATION AND, AND I THINK OF, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. WE, WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE AROUND THE CREEK OR OTHER HISTORICAL AREAS. BUT WHEN I ALSO THINK ABOUT IT, THIS CAME UP IN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS IN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO REGARDING THE DOLLS. IT'S A CITY OWNED PROPERTY THAT'S NOT WITHIN CITY LIMITS YET. IT FOILS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE COUNTY. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO CHANGE IT, WE HAVE TO GO TO COUNTY AND GO THROUGH COUNTY ZONING. BUT IF WE ANNEX THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE HOPPING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE CONTROL AS A CITY. SO, NOT SAYING WE SHOULD ADD EXIT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO OUT AND DO IT RIGHT AWAY. BUT I THINK, AGAIN, PUTTING IT INTO LAND USE AND SAYING THIS COULD BE AN IDEA FOR THE FUTURE, NOT SAYING TO DO IT TODAY, WE CAN ADD AN ACTION ITEM TO EVALUATE. UM, ANNEXATION, AGAIN, MY, MY COMMENTS A MINUTE AGO, I WAS TALKING PRIMARILY ABOUT ACQUISITION WITHIN THE CITY OF LIMITS, NOT ANNEXATION. UH, AND I, I THINK ANNEXATION HAS HAS ITS MERIT. BUT AGAIN, AS I'M LOOKING AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT MAP, UH, LAND USE MAP, UH, CITY'S BASICALLY SURROUNDED BY, UH, FOREST SERVICE LANDS AND, UH, KIND OF BEATING A DEAD HORSE IF YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO ANNEX LAND, THAT'S FOREST SERVICE LANDS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, MAYBE TALKING ABOUT IT 30 YEARS LATER. BUT, UH, UH, I, I, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE POSITIVES ASSOCIATED WITH ANNEXATION, BUT, UH, REALISTICALLY THEY'D PROBABLY BE A DIFFICULT THING TO DO. TRUE. IF I COULD ADD, UM, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND INCLUDING THE, UH, A SPACE, UH, AROUND THE OAK CREEK CORRIDOR TO TRY TO PRESERVE THAT. UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND HAVE HAD SOME COMMENTS OF MAKING, UH, NUMBER EIGHT IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY ACTIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, HAVE MORE TEETH TO IT, UH, AND ADD POSSIBLE AND ACQUISITIONS. SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER. MM-HMM. ONE OTHER KINDA MINOR POINT, BUT, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT NUMBERS, THEY CLICK WITH ME. SO ON PAGE 35, WHERE YOU HAVE THE TWO PIE CHARTS ON LAND USE, INCLUDING NATIONAL FOREST AND EXCLUDING NASH NATIONAL FOREST, AND THE EXCLUDING THAT 31% SINGLE FAMILY SHOULD BE 62%. YES. WE NOTICED THAT EARLIER. . THANK YOU. THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE EMBARRASSING THINGS. YEAH, I LOOKED AT, IT'S LIKE THEY CAN'T BE THE SAME NUMBER. . OKAY. I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON PAGE 39 IN DEFINITION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHEN I LOOK AT THE FIRST DRAFT AND THE SECOND DRAFT, THE SECOND DRAFT NOW STATES INCLUDES ONE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT ON ONE LOT AND ONE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. IS THAT OUT OF THE ZONING RULE OR HOW THAT AUTO ZONING. OKAY. OKAY. SO BACK TO MY DEAD HORSE. UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GET CONCURRENCE OR NON CONCURRENCE ON THE IDEA OF ADDING SOME VERBIAGE ABOUT, UM, STUDYING ANNEXATION. THAT'S ONE AND THE OTHER. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY SOME CONCURRENCE ON THE RIPARIAN AREAS OR OTHER SENSITIVE AREAS. YES. CONSIDERING MM-HMM. , YES. OKAY. SO THAT ONE COULD MAKE IT IN. AND THE ANNEXATION, IS THERE CONCURRENCE ON THAT? I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT IS A, WE COULD BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE, BUT , LET'S NOT BEAT IT TOO MUCH, BUT THERE'S ALREADY A, A DEAD HORSE. I SEE AN ACTION ITEM DEAD. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AS AN ACTION ITEM OR JUST MENTIONED. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I, I MEAN IN TERMS OF VERBIAGE SUCH AS EXAMINE, EXAMINE RIGHT. POTENTIAL. MM-HMM. OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANNEXATION. YEAH. RIGHT. EXACTLY. RIGHT. ANYBODY COMING IN OVER THE INTERNET HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? OR WILL SARAH OR COLLIE? [01:20:01] I, I, I HAVE ONE MORE. OKAY. OKAY. UH, I DO, I KIND OF LIKE THE ACQUISITION AND ANNEXATIONS IN THE SAME AREA. I THINK IT SOFTENS IT A LITTLE BIT. SO . OKAY. SO I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST FOUR HERE. WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING SOME LANGUAGE POINT TAKEN? ANYTHING ELSE? IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TOTALLY CLEAR? YES, IT'S ALL GRAY . IT'S ALL GRAY. OKAY. UM, UM, I'M STILL LOOKING HERE. ANYBODY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE LAND USE MAP? OKAY, WELL, UM, COULD YOU HANG ON FOR JUST A SECOND? SURE. UM, OKAY, SO ON PAGE 42, I'M TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY FOCUS AREAS, AND YOU'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, FOUR ADOPTED CFA PLANS. OKAY. AND WESTONA CORRIDOR AND UPTOWN ARE PROPOSED CFA PLANS, RIGHT? OKAY. YES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE COM CFAS? UM, AND THIS IS WHERE, AS YOU WERE EXPLAINING TO COLLIE, THE, YOU GOT SOME REFERENCE IN HERE ABOUT THE LINES BEING DRAWN AT THE TIME OF THE CREATION OF A CFA STUDY. OKAY. THAT WAS ADDED TO THE CAPTION. OKAY. OKAY. DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE INTO HOUSING ? MM-HMM, HALFWAY DONE. OKAY. OKAY. HOUSING, LET'S SEE. DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MAJOR TO POINT OUT, SO I THINK WE CAN JUMP INTO QUESTIONS. I HAVE A, A COMMENT, UH, IN ONE OF THE, UM, UM, COMMENTS THAT CAME IN, UH, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THIS MISSING MIDDLE AND A DEFINITION OF WHAT MISSING MIDDLE IS AND INCLUDES DUPLEXES, FOURPLEXES, COTTAGE COURTS, AND MULTIPLEXES. AND WE WE'RE CALLING IT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. SO IF WE'RE GONNA USE MISSING MIDDLE IN HERE, PERHAPS WE SHOULD DEFINE AT LEAST THE KIND OF THINGS THAT MISSING MIDDLE ARE. I, I WOULD LIKE, IF THERE WAS A REVISION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE DEFINITIONS IN THERE. SO TO ELIMINATE ANY CONFUSION. SO WE DISCUSSED THAT THIS MORNING, AND WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS TO SIMPLY MO REMOVE MISSING MIDDLE, UM, BECAUSE THE, THAT TERM COMES FROM, UM, AN AUTHOR, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE AUTHOR. UM, A CONSULTING FIRM. MM-HMM. . AND IT HAS A VERY SPECIFIC DEFINITION, AND FROM MY TAKE ON IT, THE DISTINCTION IS THAT THEY'RE REFERRING MORE TO INFILL. SO INFILL MEANING IF YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PUT A DUPLEX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING THAT. AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT, UM, THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. UH, WE TALK ABOUT MULTI-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE IN THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER POINT IS THAT IF YOU GO TO THE MISSING MIDDLE.COM [01:25:02] WEBSITE, AND THE EXAMPLES THAT ARE SHOWN, UM, IN OUR ZONING CODE, THOSE ARE MULTI MULTIFAMILY. MM-HMM. . SO IT'S KIND OF SEMANTICS, , IT, WE USE, WE HAVE BEEN USING MISSING METAL JUST AS AN EASY TERM FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY IS NOT. BUT IN SEDONA AND OUR ZONING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UM, THAT YOU WOULD, YOU LISTED OFF, THOSE ARE MULTIFAMILY FOR SEDONA KNOW. AND I, AND I THINK THAT CYNTHIA, CYNTHIA, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE MESSAGE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM RECEIVED FROM ROGER OUTLINING SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE DEFINITION IS? YES. YEAH. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD GET RID OF RID OF THE WORD MISSING, BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE MISSING SOME HOUSING . UM, BUT PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, CHANGING IT FROM THE DEFINED MIDDLE, MISS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING SEEMS CORRECT BASED ON HIS COMMENTS. BUT WE ARE MISSING A SECTION, OR MAYBE IT SHOULD BE LOWERCASE MISSING MIDDLE. UH, REGARDLESS WE WILL LOOK AT THAT. UM, I THINK WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. WE'RE NOT NEGATING THE FACT THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THESE OTHER TYPES OF BUILDINGS, WHETHER THEY BE TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES. WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING. SO, AND, UM, YEAH, AND, AND AS WE BROUGHT THIS FORTH TO THE PUBLIC, THIS DISCUSSION WAS ALWAYS ABOUT, UH, THAT CORRIDOR AREA ALONG 89 A, UM, SO DEFINITELY NOT TALKING ABOUT INFILL, NOT TALKING ABOUT PLACING A FOURPLEX IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS IS THAT BARRIER THAT THAT BUFFER IS OWNED THE CORRIDOR ALONG 89 A THIS, THAT'S WHERE THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN BROUGHT UP AT. I DON'T MEAN TO GO BACK TO THE LAST CHAPTER, BUT IT, THIS DISCUSSION SORT OF REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THE WESTERN GATEWAY, CFA, WHICH IS AN ADOPTED CFA MM-HMM. , COULD YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT OR INTERPLAY WITH THE RFP FOR THE CULTURAL PARK DEVELOPMENT? THE CURRENT MOST RECENT RFP? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? WELL, SURE. LET'S USE THE MOST RECENT . OKAY. AND, AND THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PHASES TO THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY. AND THE PHASE ONE IS FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE, LET'S SEE, THAT WOULD BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD CULTURAL PARK ROAD. UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR HOUSING PROGRAM IS WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THEN PHASE TWO IS THAT WE WILL DO A MASTER PLAN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT MASTER PLAN, THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT. TO YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, ABOUT HOW THE WESTERN GATEWAY CFA PLAN FITS INTO THAT IS THAT RIGHT NOW, AS WE DISCUSSED TWO WEEKS AGO WITH THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM, THE ZONING ON THAT PROPERTY ALLOWS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE CULTURAL PARK, WHICH, UM, WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR WHATEVER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE CONSIDERED. AND SO AS THIS GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, THERE WILL BE ZONE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO EITHER AMEND THAT P THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT, CREATE A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT, GO TO A MULTIFAMILY ZONE. THERE, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHAT THAT ZONING IS, BUT AS PART OF THAT ZONING PROCESS, IT WILL BE EVALUATED FOR HOW IT MEETS ALL OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE CFA PLAN. AND THE CFA PLAN DID ENCOURAGE HOUSING AND SOME OTHER, I THINK THEY'RE, YOU WERE AROUND AT THAT TIME, THE VILLAGE CONCEPT WAS THROWN AROUND A LOT. AND SO, UM, PART OF THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS WILL BE USING THAT CFA PLAN AND FIGURING OUT HOW THAT ALL CULMINATES IN, IN SOMETHING. AND WOULD THE, WOULD THE, UM, 89 A CFA OVERTAKE? THE NO, NO. IT WOULD KIND OF BE THE AREA THAT IS NOT IN THE CFA RIGHT NOW. OKAY. IT'S JUST KIND OF ZONED AND DESIGNATED, WHATEVER IT IS. OKAY. THANKS. I'M JUST ASKING 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S OKAY. CAN THE CITY INITIATE ZONING CHANGES BEFORE YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT? LIKE, CAN THE CITY COME, CAN, CAN, CAN THE COUNCIL DIRECT CITY STAFF TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD REZONE THIS TO BLAH, BLAH BLAH. OR DID YOU JUST WAIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, SEE WHAT'S COMING, AND THEN GO THAT WAY? LIKE HOW, LIKE, I KNOW I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART OR THE CART BEFORE [01:30:01] THE HORSE. I'M NOT SURE. UM, THE CITY COUNCIL PROB YES, THEY COULD DIRECT US. UM, WE GENERALLY DON'T BECAUSE IT'S ONLY IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THE CITY HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT LANDOWNER. UM, SO GENERALLY THE CITY DOES NOT GO IN AND REZONE A PRIVATE LANDOWNER'S PROPERTY. OH, YEAH, I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT PART. SO, YEAH, IF, IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY AS THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO INITIATE, UM, WE COULD DO THAT. OKAY. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY OF THAT DIRECTION, BUT IT'S TOO NEW. BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS. AND, AND IF I COULD FURTHER THAT, UM, THE WHOLE CULTURAL PARK AND THE MASTER PLAN FOR IT, UM, THAT WILL BE VETTED VERY SIMILAR, UH, TO WHAT, HOW THE COMMUNITY PLAN HAS BEEN VETTED. SO IT'LL BE A LONG PROCESS OF GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC, GETTING THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK ON THAT, AND THAT WILL GO INTO CREATING THAT MASTER PLAN AS WELL. UM, I HAVE WRITTEN A DRAFT OF THE RFP FOR THE DESIGN FIRM THAT, THAT MAY GET THAT CONTRACT. AND WITHIN THAT RFP IS LISTING THAT THEY DO HAVE TO FOLLOW, UH, THE R UM, THE WESTERN GATEWAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND THAT THERE IS EXTENSIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR. GREAT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. BACK TO HOUSING . SO WAS THERE SOME CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE ? I DID NOT SENSE THAT. MM-HMM. COMMISSIONER WHEEL OR GOKI, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, ? WELL, I THINK THE WAY IT WAS OUTLINED BY, SORRY, I JUST MOVED IT. THAT, UH, COMMENT WE RECEIVED FROM ROGER. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF, IF WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE SPECIFIC DEFINITION OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, THAT THAT HAS TO BE MODIFIED, UM, INCLUDING PERHAPS REMOVING THAT DIAGRAM. AND I THINK IN HIS PUBLIC COMMENT, HE PROVIDED A DIAGRAM THAT WAS, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE. BUT I, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE JUST CALL IT MISSING HOUSING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. WELL, IF THERE'S AN INDUSTRY TERM, I HATE TO KIND OF ALTER IT, , BUT WE AREN'T THE ONLY ONES. , ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? YEAH, I LIKE MISSING HOUSING AS AN ADJUSTMENT AND POTENTIALLY USING THAT OTHER DIAGRAM THAT'S A LITTLE MORE CLEAR TO FOLLOW UP ON THE DIAGRAM COMMENT. WE HAD BEEN USING THAT IN THE PAST, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC AND IT CONFUSED EVERYBODY. . THEY FELT THAT THAT WAS A CONFUSING GRAPHIC. SO WE WENT OUT AND TRIED TO FIND A SIMPLER GRAPHIC. UM, WE CAN ALSO CREATE A GRAPHIC FROM SCRATCH. THAT'S OUR OWN GRAPHIC. DO WE NEED A GRAPHIC? UM, I THINK IT US AT THIS POINT, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO GO RIGHT BACK TO CITY STAFF AND TO RECOGNIZE THAT NO ONE LIKES THIS GRAPHIC. YOU GOT FEEDBACK THAT NO ONE LIKES THE OTHER GRAPHIC. MM-HMM. . SO, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE NEED A GRAPHIC? RIGHT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, DOES IT, IS IT, IS IT A PIE CHART? IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? IS IT IS JUST A, SOMETHING DIFFERENT? SO I THINK WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH AT THE WORK SESSION. UM, WE DID DISCUSS IT IN THE MEETINGS PRIOR TO THE WORK SESSION, AND STILL THE NO ONE SEEMS TO LIKE IT. SO I THINK JUST PUT IT BACK TO STAFF TO TRY SOMETHING ELSE. RIGHT. WELL, AND, AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON NOW WHY WE, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED IT AS MUCH IS THAT WE HAVE DONE SO MANY, UM, OUTREACH, UH, WORKSHOPS, ET CETERA, ABOUT HOUSING. UM, YOU KNOW, LINDA MARTINEZ AND MARY GARLAND HOSTED A SERIES OF HOUSING WORKSHOPS, SO THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME EXPLAINING, UM, WHAT MULTIFAMILY IS. SO I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A FAR MORE EDUCATED, UM, POPULATION THAN WE DID, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO ON WHAT MULTIFAMILY IS. SO YOU MAY NOT NEED A PICTURE ANYMORE. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH YOU. THERE'S BEEN A GREAT AMOUNT OF OUTREACH AND EDUCATION ON THAT, BUT AS A DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE CARRIED AROUND FOR 10 YEARS, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW, IT DOESN'T HURT TO HAVE DESCRIPTORS IN THERE, IF NOT PICTURES, AT LEAST DESCRIPTIONS. SO, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT ONE WITH YOU. WAIT, CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT? I THINK, UH, WHAT CYNTHIA'S COMMENT ABOUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PUT, UM, MULTIPLEXES NEXT DOOR TO YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS THAT'S NOT WHAT [01:35:01] MISSING MIDDLE WAS ABOUT. UH, AND SO IF THERE COULD BE SOME CLARIFICATION WHEN YOU PUT IT IN THAT WHAT, REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, I, I'M NOT SURE IT'S AS CLEAR IN HERE AS YOU STATED IT TONIGHT. I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT GRAPHS IS TO BETTER DEFINE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THE TYPES OF PRODUCTS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE SEDONA CONTEXT. YES. MM-HMM. , AND AGAIN, MAYBE, UH, IT'S MY BRAIN MU THAT'S MISSING TODAY. BUT, UH, SO HIS MISSING MIDDLE BEEN USED ANYWHERE ELSE EXCEPT RIGHT HERE IN THESE TITLES. MM-HMM. TO, TO ME IT'S KIND OF A DEFINING TERM THAT SEDONA IS MORE OR LESS ADOPTED IN THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE. AND AGAIN, UH, I THINK IT ADDS SOME CONFUSION. I, I THINK THE, THE CONCEPT THAT SEDONA IS MISSING, THIS TYPE OF HOUSING IS ACCURATE, BUT REFERRING TO IT AS A MISSING MIDDLE, I THINK IT JUST COMPLICATES SOME PEOPLE'S THINKING. YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE MAY BE A WAY TO ADDRESS THIS IN A SENTENCE FORM WITHOUT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BECOMES THIS NEW, UH, ACRONYM IN SEDONA, YOU KNOW, OH, WHAT ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING HERE? AND PEOPLE MIGHT NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. AND PERHAPS SOME OF THAT EXPLANATION MIGHT COME FROM THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN FROM LINDA MARTINEZ, FROM ROGER EASTMAN. UH, YEAH. AND, AND WE CAN TALK TO HIM AS WELL. I, I THINK AN ANALOGY, UM, MIGHT BE THAT WHAT ROGER EASTMAN IS REFERRING TO MISSING MIDDLE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BRAND, UM, THAT'S SORT OF HOW I'M READING IT. IS THAT SIMILAR TO, UM, OH, I SAY KLEENEX AND TISSUE, TISSUE IS A GENERIC TERM, BUT PEOPLE STILL CALL ANYTHING TISSUE KLEENEX. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S WHERE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY THAT IMPORTANT AS LONG AS WE CONVEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF HOUSING. SO I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES ON WHAT WE NEED TO CHANGE. AND WHAT I HAVE FOR THIS ONE, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT STAFF WILL RE-LOOK AT THE SECTION AROUND THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND MAKE SURE IT CLEARLY, CLEARLY CONVEYS THE INTENTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY AS DISCUSSED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN PROCESS AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. MISSING HOUSING MAY BE A BETTER TERM AND MAYBE RECONSIDER THE GRAPHIC. FAIR ENOUGH. SHE'S GOOD. OKAY. I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE WRITING ALL THIS DOWN. . I SOMETIMES HAVE A, A PURPOSE. IT'S MY PURPOSE TODAY. . ANYTHING ELSE ON HOUSING COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION ON POLICY 5.6, UH, PAGE 53 OR 55. UM, ADDRESS RENTAL HOUSING CONDITIONS WHEN HEALTH, WELFARE AND SAFETY OF SEDONA RESIDENTS ARE AT RISK. UM, HOW, HOW DOES THE CITY CURRENTLY NOW INSPECT RENTALS? DO THEY DO THIS? DOES THE CITY, IF YOU'RE LESS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF POLICIES. LIKE IF YOU'RE A RENTAL, YOU HAVE TO BE INSPECTED ONCE A YEAR BY THE CITY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT CURRENTLY. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. WE DO NOT. OKAY. IS THAT, OH, SORRY. TYPICALLY THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN OTHER CITIES THROUGH A PERMIT PROGRAM. OKAY. UM, AND WE DO NOT HAVE SUCH A PROGRAM. SO WITH THIS POLICY 5.6 FOR THE FUTURE, THIS IS OPENING THE DOOR FOR POSSIBLY BEING ABLE TO HAVE A REASON TO DO A PERMIT OR INSPECTION OR SOME SORT OF THING LIKE THAT. POSSIBLY. IT'S ALSO LOOKING FOR BETTER ADV ADVOCATES AND ADVOCATION FOR, UH, THOSE THAT, THAT DO RENT. UM, WE'VE HEARD SO MUCH FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW, UM, THEY'RE AFRAID TO EVEN SPEAK UP. MM-HMM. AFRAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA, SO YES. UM, UH, WORKING ALONG BOTH LINES. GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER HOUSING ACTIONS THAT WE WANT TO TWEAK? I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ON PAGE 55, WHICH IS UP HERE. I REALLY LIKE YOUR LITTLE LIGHT BLUE [01:40:01] BLOW UP BOX THERE THAT DEFINES THE ROLE OF BUILDING CODES. I THINK IT'S VERY WELL PUT. OKAY. ONTO CIRCULATION ON. OKAY. LET'S SEE. WE DEFINITELY HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS CHAPTER, AS WE ALWAYS DO. UM, AS FAR AS MAJOR CHANGES, WE DIDN'T, LET'S SEE. ALL OF THOSE SECTIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. UM, WE DID ADD IN MORE GRAPHICS, A LOT OF CLARIFICATION FROM COMMENTS. UM, LET'S SEE. YEAH, SO ANY QUESTIONS ON CIRCULATION CHAPTER? UH, I HAVE A COMMENT. I CONTINUE TO NOT LIKE THE GRAPHIC ON PAGE 67, THE WATER COMPLETE STREETS. I THINK WHAT IT IS MISSING IS SPIKE, UH, SPACE FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. I THINK THAT MAKES A COMPLETE STREET WHERE, YOU KNOW, CURB AND LET DRAINS IS SOMEHOW THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY EFFORT TO CLEAN STORMWATER RUN OFF FROM THE STREETS. WAS THAT ADDRESSED, SARAH, ON PAGE 88? IN SUSTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL AND SUSTAINABILITY WITH USING THE HARD ENGINEERING VERSUS SOFT ENGINEERING? LET'S SEE, I'M SCROLLING, HOLD ON. THAT'S OKAY. PAGE 88. YEAH. OH YEAH. HOW THEY'RE SHOWING THE HEART AND SOFT ENGINEERING. DOES THAT ADDRESS THAT YOUR CONCERN OR YOU STILL THINK, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT REFLECTED IN BOTH PLACES, BUT I SUPPOSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A 10 YEAR PLAN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT OUR STREETS ALSO HAVE AN EFFORT AT BEING GREEN AND SUSTAINABLE. WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO FIND A DIAGRAM, OR LIKE I SAID, WE WILL CREATE OUR OWN TO GO ALONG WITH THE COMPLETE STREETS DIAGRAM IS, UM, IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR A NEW ONE OR MAKE ANOTHER ONE, UH, BEING MORE OBVIOUS IN THE SEPARATION BETWEEN TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE, THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT MAKES ME, I KNOW WHAT A COMPLETE STREET IS. OFTEN THERE'S A BUFFER BETWEEN TRAFFIC AND BIKES. TRAFFIC OR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS. AND I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER GRAPHIC THAT DOES THAT A LITTLE BETTER, BUT IN THIS ONE THAT SARAH'S TALKING ABOUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT JUST DOESN'T DO COMPLETE STREETS JUSTICE. IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I KNOW HOW BEAUTIFUL AN ACTUAL COMPLETE STREET CAN BE WITH, UM, STREETSCAPING AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO IF YOU'RE GONNA LOOK, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE THAT WE, UM, MAKE SURE THAT IT DEMONSTRATES HOW, UH, BEAUTIFUL THAT BROKEN UPNESS CAN BE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. OKAY. I HAD ONE UNDER CIRCULATION ACTIONS, AND I'VE, I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED THIS ONE BEFORE, BUT THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, UM, HAS SIM AS A, IT'S LIKE WHEN WE'RE USING COMPARISONS HERE, IT'S LIKE THE SUN AND A STAR , THERE'S A STAR, AND OUR STAR IS THE SUN. SO, UM, SIM IS OUR SON, BUT THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN IS THE, IS A STAR ANYWAY, UH, BUT SIM'S GONNA EXPIRE IN, IS IT GOT A 10 YEAR LIFE SPAN, IS THAT CORRECT? I COULD NOT FIND A DATE ON THERE. UM, WE CAN ASK, UH, PUBLIC WORKS OR KIMLEY HORN, WHO PREPARED THAT PLAN? I, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SOMEWHERE IN THIS 10 YEAR CYCLE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THERE NEEDS TO BE A REFRESH OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT ACTIVITY ON THEIR PART. SO IF YOU COULD CHECK ON THAT AND IF THERE IS, UM, MAYBE INCLUDE A REFERENCE TO IT. YEAH, PAGE, PAGE 60. IT IDENTIFIES TENURE PLAN SUN SETTING IN 2028. OKAY, THERE YOU GO. BUT THAT'S, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ACTION PLAN TOO, FOR RENEWAL. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S MY POINT. YEAH. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT 20 28 1 IS ACTUALLY THE SIM. YES. [01:45:01] WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, THE CYNTHIA, SPEAKING OF KIMLEY HORN, I'VE WORKED WITH THEM QUITE A BIT OVER THE, OVER THE YEARS OF MY CAREER. AND THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A REALLY GOOD DIAGRAM FOR YOU FOR COMPLETE STREET. UM, I'VE ACTUALLY WORKED ON PROJECTS WHERE THEY'VE DONE GREEN STREETS AND HAD SECTIONS, SO THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING. OKAY. YOU COULD USE JUST FYI, WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT. AND BACK ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WE CAN PUT IN AN ACTION ITEM TO UPDATE, REVISIT, WELL, LEMME KNOW. CHECK WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND SEE IF THEY OKAY. UH, HONESTLY THINK THEY WOULD DO THAT ANYWAY. WELL, LET'S HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE . OKAY. PUT IT IN A DOCUMENT. I, UM, PAGE 69, THE STREET SAFETY FOR EVERYONE DIAGRAM. I'VE HAD PERSONAL TUTORIALS ON HOW TO READ IT AND I STILL CAN'T READ IT. , SO I, I, HONEST TO GOD, I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT. I THINK IT'S CONFUSING. I JUST REALLY WOULD RECOMMEND PULLING IT OUT. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I LOVE THAT DIAGRAM. I'M SORRY, JOE . I'M GONNA FRAME IT AND I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU FOR A GIFT, UM, BECAUSE IT DOES MY COMPLAINT WITH THE COMPLETE STREET DIAGRAM ABOVE IT. IT ADDRESSES THAT SLIGHTLY IN MY, MY READING OF IT. OKAY. UM, AND AS A BICYCLIST, UH, CURB CUTS MAKE LIFE DANGEROUS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS SHOWS TO ME, UH, PEDESTRIAN AS WELL. OKAY. UM, SO I GET, I GET HOW IT'S CONFUSING, BUT I REALLY LIKE THIS. MAYBE IT'S A, IT'S ONE THAT COULD BE SHOWN IN A DIFFERENT, LIKE IF THE COMPLETE STREETS DIAGRAM GETS MORE ROBUST, MAYBE THAT'S SHOWN HERE. BUT, UM, I REALLY LOVE THIS DIAGRAM PERSONALLY, AND IT'S BASICALLY EVERY RED SPOT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO GET HIT. OKAY. FOR THERE TO BE AN ACCIDENT AND SOMETHING BAD TO HAPPEN. WE WANT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF RED XS ON THAT QUESTION. IS THERE A REASON THAT THE BIKES ARE GOING THE SAME DIRECTION, REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE THAT STREET THEY'RE ON? HAVE TO ASK THE ARTIST. THEY ALWAYS SHOULD. . IT'S THE WINE FEST . GOSH, I THINK IT'S JUST REPRESENTING THAT AS THE BIKE LANE. I WANTED TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL I AM FOR POLICY 6.16, EXPLORE TRANSFER OF WEST 89 A FROM THE STATE TO THE CITY JURISDICTION. I LIVE IN, I LIVE NEAR AIRPORT ROAD AND I LIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD OFF OF 89. A IN, IN ORDER FOR ME TO MAKE IT TO THE, UM, ADOBE JACK TRAIL HEAD, I HAVE TO CROSS THE MIDDLE OF 89 A UNLESS I WANNA WALK ALL THE WAY UP TO AIRPORT ROAD AND GO OVER. UM, I THINK THAT, AND ESPECIALLY THAT SECTION OF 89 A IS PSYCHOTIC, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE TOURISTS LIKE STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM OR THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION AND THEY JUST GO WHEREVER THEY WANT. UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S HERE AND, AND I'M GLAD THAT IT'S PART OF THE, UM, POLICY. SO THANKS FOR PUTTING THAT IN. IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REASON WHY I AGREE MORE. I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE A MAJOR PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. I AGREE AS WELL. IF, IF WE'RE, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THOSE SAME FEELINGS, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ACQUIRING 89 A, WOULDN'T WE TRY TO ACQUIRE 1 79? I MEAN, I MEAN, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH ACQUIRING EITHER ONE OF THOSE, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DISTINGUISH ONE FROM THE OTHER. I THINK IT'S BEEN THERE, DONE THAT ON THE 1 79 1. WELL, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT ON 89 A AND IT DIDN'T WORK. SO ONCE EVERY, I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT IN THERE FOR 89 A, YOU SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE 1 79. 'CAUSE THE SAME, SAME ISSUES, MAYBE NOT QUITE AS CONGESTED, BUT SIMILAR ISSUES EXIST WHERE, UH, IE UH, AK WHERE THE CITY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON 1 79 BECAUSE IT'S STATE OWNED. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SEPARATE 89 A AND NOT INCLUDE 1 79. I WAS WONDERING TOO, ON 89 A ARE THE SIGNALS, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS RUN BY THE STATE, NOT THE CITY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YES. SO AGAIN, THE TIMING OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, IF WE NEED HELP WITH THAT, WE HAVE TO CALL THE STATE AND ASK THEM TO RETIME. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU TO, TO PUT 1 79 ON THERE. I MEAN, IT ALWAYS IS THE FLAVOR OF THE GOVERNMENT AND THE GOVERNMENT CHANGES [01:50:01] ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS. AND SO IF WE DON'T CONTINUE ON TRYING TO KEEP THIS AS A PRIORITY, JUST BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK UNDER ANOTHER GOVERNMENT, SORRY, GOVERNOR LED, UM, YEARS, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE DONE IN THE FUTURE. I, THIS IS JUST SUCH A SAFETY ISSUE, AND ESPECIALLY WITH US FOCUSING ON WANTING TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN, MORE PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES, THIS IS ANOTHER OBSTACLE AS WELL, BECAUSE NOW, WE'LL, IF WE HAVE MORE CHILDREN, WE HAVE MORE, YOU KNOW, UH, CAUSES FOR CONCERN WITH KIDS BEING IN THE STREETS. SO IS THERE A CONSENSUS TO, WE ALREADY HAVE 89 A AS A POLICY TO ADD 1 79? I SUPPORT THAT. YEAH. I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED THAT IT'S 89 A AND 1 79 WITHIN CITY LIMITS KIND OF THING. UH, 68. 68. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YOU'RE A YES. WILL, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? WELL, I CERTAINLY WANT THE A HUNDRED FEET IN FRONT OF THE TALLI P BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OPEN. I'M NOT GONNA STOP PROGRESS. OKAY. I, I THINK IT, WHO KNOWS WHERE IT WOULD GO, BUT I DO THINK, I DO AGREE THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT ONE, YOU OUGHT TO LOOK AT BOTH, SO. OKAY. AND IT DOESN'T, LIKE, IT'D BE TOO DIFFICULT BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ THE PARAGRAPH OF SECTION 6.16, IT'S PRETTY GENERAL THAT WE JUST HAVE TO CHANGE THAT INTRO WORD. BUT THAT ALL WOULD STILL APPLY TO BOTH, BOTH HIGHWAYS. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT WE'RE SENDING ONTO COUNSEL. MAYBE ONE LITTLE LESS DRAMATIC ITEM THAT I COULD THROW OUT. UH, SO ON PAGE 60, UNDER YOUR LITTLE HIGHLIGHT BOX UNDER, WHAT ABOUT BYPASSES OR BRIDGES? UM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BULLET POINT THAT, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH ALL THE FOUR BULLET POINTS ON HERE, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT BULLET POINTS WOULD BE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON PUTTING A BRIDGE OR A BYPASS THAT INVOLVES CROSSING OF OAK CREEK OR ANY OTHER RIPARIAN OR ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS. SO YOU COULD DO IT AS EASY AS A BULLET POINT THAT SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON CIRCULATION? OKIE DOKE. WE'RE ONTO THE ENVIRONMENT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY CHAPTER, UH, CHANGES SINCE, LET'S SEE, THE DECEMBER DRAFT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DID MOVE THE OPEN SPACE SECTION INTO THIS CHAPTER. UM, LET'S SEE, I DON'T THINK WE MADE ANY OTHER LARGE CHANGES. UM, I THINK THAT'S IT. SO QUESTIONS, UH, I, I HATE TO DO THIS, BUT GOING BACK TO CIRCULATION , UM, WHERE I JUST WAS, UH, PUSHING ADDING 1 79 TO POLICY 6.16, MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO ROLL IT DOWN TO PAGE 70 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT 1 79 SPECIFICALLY AND MAYBE MIMIC THE ACQUISITION IN THAT POLICY 6.17 OR ADD A NEW POLICY, 6.18 MM-HMM. , RATHER THAN HAVING IT IN ONE LOCATION, YES, WE CAN REPEAT IT AND HAVE IT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME LANGUAGE, EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU FOR INDULGING. [01:55:06] SO WHERE WOULD YOU BE ADDING SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, POTENTIAL ACQUISITION, LOOKING AT ACQUISITION OF, UH, OF RIPARIAN AREAS OR OPEN SPACES? WHERE WOULD THAT FIT? VICE CHAIR? UM, I WAS REFERENCING PAGE 89 AND ACTION NUMBER 8 89 MM-HMM. . OKAY. YEAH, I AGREE. YEAH. AND THEN IT WOULD THIS BE WHERE MAYBE ACTION ITEM 21 WHERE EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANNEXATION, WOULD THAT GO INTO THIS ONE? OR IS THAT GOING BACK INTO LAND USE? I THINK SHE WAS ANNEXATION AND LAND USE. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. SO DOES, UM, THE ACTION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? YEAH, I ACTUALLY, I EXPANDED THAT SENTENCE TO SAY INCLUDING POTENTIAL CITY ACQUISITION. JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS ON THIS SECTION. MM-HMM. , UM, ON PAGE 84, POLICY 7.11, TALKING ABOUT REDUCING RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL WATER USE. UM, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, JOINT RESOURCE PROGRAM WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND SO FORTH. AND THE LAST SENTENCE TALKS ABOUT FINDING UNRESOLVED WATER LEAKS IS ONE METHOD OF REDUCING WATER USE, WHICH COULD HAPPEN LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION, OR MALFUNCTIONS OR DRIPS IN, UH, FAUCETS IN HOUSES. I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WHERE YOU HAVE A AGING WATER SYSTEM WHERE YOU HAVE LEAKAGE AND WATER LOSS THERE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A, A PHRASE OR WITHIN THAT SENTENCE THAT INDICATES, UH, RESOLVE LEAKS IN AGING WATER SYSTEM THAT'S WASTEWATER. OH, SORRY. OKAY. DIFFERENT TWO SY DIFFERENT WATER. AND TO GO ALONG WITH WHAT GEORGE SAID, SHOULD WE INCLUDE, UM, OAK CREEK WATER ALONG WITH ARIZONA WATER IN THIS SPOT? BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE ALSO, OH, I THINK IT'S JUST THE TWO OF THEM IN TOWN, RIGHT? YES. IT'S, IT'S MENTIONED IN THE PARAGRAPH FOR WATER CONSERVATION, THE INTRODUCTORY PARAGRAPH. YEAH, THE, THE PARAGRAPH UNDER POLICY. IT'S NOT CALLED OUT IN THE SPECIFIC PARAGRAPH BELOW. SO THAT'S BECAUSE THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY SPECIFICALLY HAS PARTNERED WITH THE CITY FOR THAT INTEGRATED DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. THAT IS A SPECIFIC PROGRAM THAT IS ONGOING. GOT IT. OAK CREEK INCLUDED. STEVE, COULD, COULD YOU TELL ME RELATED TO THE SUBJECT, HOW MUCH WATER IS SUPPLIED IN SEDONA FROM ARIZONA WATER VERSUS OAK CREEK WATER DISTRICT, ROUGHLY? OAK CREEK WATER DISTRICT IS WALGREENS TO CVS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 89 A UP TO THE AIRPORT. EVERYTHING ELSE IS ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, PERCENTAGE WISE, IS IT 10% OR 30%? IT'S PRETTY SMALL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL PERCENT, 85, 15, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO ARIZONA WATERS THE BIG ELEPHANT ABSOLUTELY. IN THE ROOM. YES. SO CAN WE ADD A POLICY, DO YOU THINK THEN ON THE WATER CONSERVATION WHERE WE HAVE POLICY SEVEN POINT, WHICHEVER TO MIMIC WHAT THE WASTEWATER IS FOR ADDRESSING AGING WATER INFRASTRUCTURE? DO YOU THAT I I GUESS ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES THERE, UH, CITY DOESN'T OWN THE WATER SYSTEM OKAY. VERSUS THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM. I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD HAVE A POLICY FOR ARIZONA WATER. YEAH. AND OAK OAK CREEK WATER IMPROVEMENT, IT'S, IT IS NOW WATER, A WATER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AS WELL. UM, THEY JUST GOT A GRANT TO REDO ALL THEIR WATER LINES IN THEIR WHOLE AREA. SO THEY'LL BE ALL NEW IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. ARE THEY CONSIDERED A PUBLIC AGENCY VERSUS ARIZONA OR A PSEUDO PUBLIC [02:00:01] VERSUS ARIZONA WATER, WHICH IS PRIVATE? IT'S, UH, YEAH. ARIZONA WATER'S A, A PRIVATE CORPORATION, BUT PROVIDING A PUBLIC UTILITY. AND SO THEY'RE REGULATED BY THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION, UM, OAK CREEK WATER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NOW AS A, AS A COUNTY WATER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. OKAY. UH, THE CITY WAS, UH, HAD SOME PARCELS IN THAT AND VOTED TO APPROVE THAT, UH, THE CREATION OF IT BEING A WATER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. CYNTHIA, ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DURING OUR MEETING WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF INVESTIGATING, HAVING WASTEWATER FEES BE, UM, BASED ON WATER USE AS OPPOSED TO, I THINK IT'S ZONING NOW, UM, IN ORDER TO FUND PROGRAMS AND RESTORATION. YES, I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION. I'M SKIMMING THE ACTION ITEMS TO SEE WHO ADDED SOMETHING ON THAT. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY POSSIBLY EVALUATE. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT'S PAYING THE SAME THING AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT'S BEING USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND LAUNDRY AND WATER USE GOES WAY UP. AND SO I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD SORT OF ROLL OUT SOME SORT OF METERING PROGRAM WHERE OUR WASTEWATER FEES COULD BE BASED ON OUR ACTUAL CONSUMPTION. SARAH, I'M WONDERING IF, UM, THE WASTEWATER SECTION, WELL, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WAS THERE IS A WASTEWATER PLAN AND, AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE COMPONENTS OF THE CURRENT PLAN. IT MAY INCLUDE, UM, A FUTURE RATE STUDY OR REVIEWING THE CURRENT RATE STUDY MODIFYING IT, WHICH WOULD THEN POTENTIALLY ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UH, BUT HOW DO WE SORT OF BRING THAT, UH, WHOLE WASTEWATER PLAN TO GREATER PROMINENCE, UM, BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THE AGING WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH. I GUESS THAT'S BEING DONE IN PART THROUGH THE WASTEWATER PLAN. IF WE COULD JUST MAYBE EMPHASIZE THE WASTEWATER PLAN A LITTLE MORE, OR DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I, I'LL TALK TO OUR WASTEWATER, UM, DIRECTOR ABOUT, UH, SARAH'S IDEA ON THE FEE STRUCTURES, BECAUSE I, I THINK IT'S ALSO MORE THAN WASTEWATER FINANCE, ET CETERA. YEAH. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO, SINCE WE DON'T OWN THE WATER SYSTEM, NOR THE METERS, UM, HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM TO GET THAT INFORMATION. AND MM-HMM. . UM, BUT, BUT IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, WELL RATES, WHETHER IT'S METERED IN A DIFFERENT WAY OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW , BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE ONLY THE WATER IS METERED AND THE WASTEWATER IS BASED ON WHAT'S METERED IN THE WATER, BUT THE WATER IS A PRIVATE SYSTEM, SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE WATER SYSTEM TO GET THE DATA CORRECT. TO PROVIDE FOR WASTEWATER RATES. WE CURRENTLY HAVE DIFFERENT RATES FOR NEW HOMES BASED UPON WATER SUPPLY FIXTURE UNITS, WHICH IS A VALUE APPLIED TO DIFFERENT PLUMBING FIXTURES. AND SO THE MORE WATER SUPPLY FIXTURE UNITS YOU HAVE, THE HIGHER YOUR, UM, SEWER CAPACITY FEE IS. BUT THAT ONLY TAKES IN ACCOUNT THAT PERMIT FEE, THAT ONE TIME PERMIT FEE FOR A NEW HOME. AND, UM, WHAT SARAH IS INDICATING IS THAT, UH, WE SHOULD BE RECOGNIZING THAT AFTER THAT FEE HAS BEEN PAID, HOMES GET USED DIFFERENTLY. UM, AND, UH, UH, SO A, A HOME THAT IS, HAS EIGHT BATHROOMS AND IS RENTED OUT WEEKLY, UM, USES MORE WATER THAN YOUR STANDARD THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOME. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THEY SHOULD BE GETTING HIGHER SEWER CHARGES BECAUSE THEY'RE USING THAT. WELL, IT'S ALSO AWARENESS AND EDUCATION TO THE HOMEOWNER. IF YOU'RE WATCHING YOUR BILL CYCLE AND YOU REALIZE YOUR WATER CONSUMPTION, AND THEREFORE WHAT YOU'RE ALSO PAYING FOR WASTEWATER FEES, THERE MAY BE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A SENSITIVITY TO TRYING TO USE WATER SAVING MEASURES INSTEAD OF JUST THE FLAT FEE. YOU KNOW, I GET IT EVERY MONTH, YOU KNOW, THE $47 I GET CHARGED EVERY MONTH OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND IT'S, IT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN A WHOLE LOT TO ME. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR MY WATER USE. THAT'S JUST THE WAY I LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT. [02:05:02] SO, WITHOUT GETTING TOO DEEP INTO THAT, IS THERE A CONSENSUS THAT WASTEWATER RATES AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES UPDATES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED? I MEAN, SORT OF PUT IT TOGETHER. DO YOU WANT A SEPARATE POLICY ON THAT OR JUST, UM, EXPAND THE POLICY? I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE. SOME 0.13, I DON'T. I THINK TWO, LIKE ON A POLICY WISE IS A SEPARATE POLICY THAT SAYS THAT THE CITY EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES BETWEEN A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP REGARDING WASTEWATER AND WATER CONSERVATION. RIGHT. 'CAUSE NOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT THE WATER IS RUN BY A PRIVATE ENTITY AND THEN ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THAT, UM, POLICY TO INCORPORATE THE OTHER IDEAS. BUT I THINK DEFINITELY A POLICY BY ITSELF THAT TALKS ABOUT A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. WELL, THAT GOES IN LINE WITH OTHER PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. WE'VE MM-HMM. REFERENCED HERE, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSING AREA. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I'M CARRIE IS A MASTER AT COMING UP WITH LANGUAGE . UM, UM, I GUESS WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT SEEMED LIKE AN ACTION ITEM TO ME TO EVALUATE USING WATER USE TO DETERMINE WASTEWATER FEES. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE NOW THINKING MORE A POTENTIAL POLICY UNDER WASTEWATER. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS. WELL, I, I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A POLICY RELATED TO THE RATE, NOT NECESSARILY A CONSERVATION PROGRAM, A PUBLIC PRIVATE CONSERVATION PROGRAM. I MEAN, I, THERE, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH, UH, HAVING A PROGRAM LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S TWO SEPARATE DISTINCT ITEMS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM. RATES USING WATER RATES FROM, UH, ARIZONA WATER. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. I AGREE. VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TO DETERMINE A MORE APPROPRIATE RATE THAT MIGHT ENCOURAGE SUSTAINABLE WASTEWATER USE. I DON'T KNOW, I'M TALKING IN CIRCLES. MAYBE GIMME A SECOND HERE. WE HAVE TWO POLICIES, OR ONE WHERE'S POLICY 7.11. REALLY A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TALKING ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION, BECAUSE IS, IS THIS REFERRING TO THE RIPPLE EFFECT? 7.11? IS THAT A JOKE? RIPPLE EFFECTS? NO, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PARTNERSHIP INTEGRATED DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. THAT'S WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. OKAY. CORRECT. RIPPLE EFFECT IS THE CAMPAIGN, RIGHT. PUBLIC MARKETING, THAT'S THE WATER RESILIENCY PORTION OF, OF THE CAMPAIGN, RIGHT. IS RIPPLE EFFECT. YES. SO THIS KIND OF, THIS 7.11 KIND OF YES. TALKS ABOUT THAT. YES, IT DOES. WHICH IS THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. CORRECT. SO, SO PERHAPS WE EXPAND ON, INSTEAD OF IT'S SIMPLY READING REDUCED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL WATER USE. WE CAN ADD IN THERE THE PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, UM, INVOLVING WASTE, WASTEWATER AND WATER CONSERVATION TO TRY TO ENCOMPASS MM-HMM. EVERYTHING IN THAT ONE POLICY. AND THEN IF WE, IT'S A SOFT, I THINK IT'S A SOFT GOAL, YOU KNOW, USING IT AS AN INTENTION THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE MORE AWARENESS AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND THEREFORE TAKE ACTION ON WHAT THEIR WATER USE IS. BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO GOING TO RESULT IN INCREASED REVENUE THAT CAN THEN BE DIRECTED TOWARDS AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A SEVERAL DIFFERENT LAYERS TO THE ONION IN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IN MY OPINION. MM-HMM. . AND WE CAN ADD AN ACTION ITEM. SO I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS UNDER WASTEWATER POLICIES THAT THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN ADDING A POLICY TO USE WATER USE, UM, TO DETERMINE WASTEWATER FEES. STAFF WILL DISCUSS THIS POTENTIAL WITH THE WATER COMPANY OR WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT OR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND COME UP WITH APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE OF WHAT THAT POLICY SHOULD BE. MM-HMM. DOES THAT WORK? I MEAN, AND, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO STATE IT, WE'RE FLAPPING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN WATER AND WASTEWATER, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, POLICY 7.11 TALKING ABOUT REDUCING RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL WATER USE. I MEAN, THE SIDE BENEFIT OF, AT LEAST PART OF THAT IS IF YOU'RE CONSERVING, REALLY CONSERVING WHAT YOU'RE USING WATER FOR IN YOUR HOUSE, LIKE, UH, LOW FLOW TOILETS OR TAKING SHORTER SHOWERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT, IT'S GOT THE SIDE BENEFIT. IT'S ALSO REDUCING WASTEWATER AND IT HAS A POSITIVE RESILIENCY IMPACT ON, YOU KNOW, POLICY 7.11, NOT ONLY ON WATER USE, BUT ALSO ON WASTEWATER PRODUCTION, WASTEWATER USE. MM-HMM. . SO WE'LL EXPLORE ADDING THAT TO THE WATER CONSERVATION POLICIES AS WELL. [02:10:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. CARRIE? I HAVE A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BELONGS IN HERE, AND I KNOW IT'S A HUGE CAN OF WORMS, BUT I'M GONNA SAY IT ANYWAY. I HAVE, THIS IS THE FIRST CITY THAT I'VE EVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF LIVING IN, WHERE WE HAVE A CHOICE OF FOUR DIFFERENT . I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, RIGHT. GARBAGE'S TRUCKS, RIGHT. THAT COME IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE EVERY DAY. FOUR OF THEM. FOUR FOUR SEPARATE ONES, YEAH. FOUR SEPARATE ONES. AND THEY, UM, UH, I GUESS GUESS THEY HAVE TIRES THAT DON'T HURT THE ROAD OR WHAT? NO, THEY'RE, THEY, OH, THEY DO, THEY DO, THEY DO THEIR SHARE DAMAGE AND WEAR, UH, WHICH THE CITY PAYS FOR. UH, AND IT MAY BE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE GET THE KIND OF STREET COVER THAT WE GET BECAUSE IT'S, IT WEARS IT OUT REAL QUICK. AND THERE'S A LOT, I I WOULD, I, IT WOULD SEEM UNDER ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY, I MEAN, PEOPLE WANT CHOICE. SO TAKING CHOICE AWAY FROM PEOPLE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT'S, UH, EASY TO DO. UH, IF WE ALREADY LIVED HERE AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE GARBAGE THING, WE'D JUST ACCEPT THAT, RIGHT? YES. THAT WAS EXPLORED AS LONG AS YES. LIKE 10 YEARS AGO OR SO. AND IT, YES, I, I READ ABOUT IT. OKAY. AND I, THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S A CAN OF WORMS, BUT I'M GONNA BRING IT UP ANYWAY. OKAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT THEY HAVE APPROACHED THAT CAN OF WORMS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET SURVEY. MM-HMM. THAT WENT OUT TO CITIZENS A FEW MONTHS AGO ASKING ABOUT PRIORITIES. AND ONE OF 'EM WAS, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN SEEING, IT WOULD BE AN RFP TO CONSIDER A SINGLE HAULER. AND I DON'T KNOW THE RESULTS OF THAT, BUT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY PLANNED TO BE BUILT INTO THE FISCAL 25 BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW EITHER. I JUST KNOW THAT WE DON'T MENTION IT ANYWHERE IN HERE. RIGHT. SO IT WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE NOISE IMPACT ON MY SLEEP WHEN I HAVE FOUR TRUCKS COMING THROUGH AT 6:00 AM DID THE COMMISSION WANT TO ADD A, A POLICY OR AN ACTION ITEM ABOUT THAT? OR IS THAT JUST A I WOULD PREFER TO JUST SEE IT. OKAY. SEE THE RESULTS OF THE QUESTION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN POSED. OKAY. WELL, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM THOUGH WITH, UH, SUGGESTING THAT IT BE REVIEWED FROM TIME TO TIME. UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT, UM, BECAUSE IF IT WAS DOABLE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ACTUALLY A GOOD THING. WE WOULD JUST ALL NOT LIKE IT COULD, COULD IT BE A, I MEAN, TRY AND THINK WHERE TO INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? COULD THAT BE A NUMBER ITEM OR BULLET POINT UNDER ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABLE SUSTAINABILITY ACTIONS? BECAUSE HAVING REDUCED TRUCKS ON THE ROAD WOULD BE A SUSTAINABLE ISSUE. JUST TO HAVE A ITEM ON THERE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, GARBAGE. SO, SORRY, VICE CHAIR HOSSEINI, YOU SAID THERE WAS A, THE CITIZENS' BUDGET SURVEY INCLUDED THAT? YES, I BELIEVE SO. SO WE CAN, UM, REVIEW, WE CAN GET WITH WHOEVER, I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT THAT DID, OR FINANCE THAT DID WHOEVER DID THAT SURVEY. AND WE CAN SEE WHAT THE RESULTS OF THAT WERE. AND IF THE RESULTS ARE OVERWHELMINGLY THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION CITY GOES IN, WE CAN ADD A, A POLICY REGARDING THAT. AND IF NOBODY WANTED IT, WE STILL PUT IT IN OR , OR WE CAN BRING IT UP AS A POTENTIAL FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. THERE YOU GO. UM, AND THEN THEY WOULD MAKE THE FINAL DECISION OF WHETHER THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED OR NOT. ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS, UM, PAGE 90, POLICY 20. IT'S, IT'S A MUCH MORE GENERAL STATEMENT, UM, BUT IT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE. AND THE STATEMENT IS, LEMME MAKE SURE EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT. EXPLORE AND IMPLEMENT INCENTIVES, REBATES, AND OTHER WAYS THAT SUPPORT ENERGY AND WATER CONSERVATION IMPROVEMENTS. UM, I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOME MORE GENERAL POLICIES THAT THAT COULD FALL UNDER, UNLESS WE WANNA CALL IT OUT SPECIFICALLY. THEN I WOULD SUGGEST A POLICY THAT IS ALONG THE LINES OF EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY. I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. I THINK OTHER WAYS IS A LITTLE TOO GENERIC TO REALLY GET THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, SINGLE HAULER. [02:15:02] IF WE COULD JUST MAKE IT LIKE 21, JUST DO IT AS ANOTHER ACTION. I, I THINK JUST REVIEW, YOU GUYS SAY, WE'RE NOT SAYING DO IT, WE'RE JUST SAYING REVIEW AND EXPLORE OR EXPLORE OPTIONS OR TRASH HAULING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE A SINGLE HAULER, THE CITY DOES IT. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH TRASH. IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG PROCESS. UM, AND, UH, I, WHERE I LIVE, I ONLY HAVE A SINGLE HAULER BECAUSE MY HOA CONTRACTS WITH ONLY ONE HAULER. SO I DON'T HAVE YOUR REALLY SAD THING WITH THE TRUCKS. THAT'S AWFUL. UM, I SEE WHAT IT DOES TO THE ROADS. SO I, I DO SEE THAT. UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S A, A, A SERIOUS THING TO PUT DOWN. OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR ECONOMY AND TOURISM? I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE OR WATCHING. OKAY. SO AT THE ECONOMY AND TOURISM CHAPTER, WE DID REFINE THAT. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAD COMMENTS. UM, I ALSO SPOKE WITH, UH, LAUREN BROWN, OUR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, WHO'S ALSO OVERSEEING THE TRUISM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T MISSING ANYTHING, UM, IMPORTANT. BUT ON THE TOURISM SIDE OF THINGS, AS FAR AS GETTING INTO DETAILS, WE WOULD BE DEFERRING TO, UM, WHAT THE TOURISM PROGRAM IS DOING AND ALSO WHAT THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD WILL BE DOING. UM, THEY WILL BE WORKING OUT THE DETAILS. SO THAT'S PART OF WHY WE DON'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A BIG TOPIC. QUESTIONS. I THOUGHT YOU GUYS DID A REALLY GREAT JOB WITH THIS BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A, A HOT TOPIC, UM, IN REGARDS TO JUST SOME OF THE REALLY HIGH ISSUES OF THE WAY THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE AFFECTED BY TOURISM. YOU HAVE IT LISTED AS A POLICY, YOU'VE KIND OF GONE OVER IT. IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE A TOURISM DIVISION. UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLOWING, UH, FOLKS THAT READ THIS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THE WEBSITES, UH, ON HERE. UH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS REALLY CRAFTED VERY WELL. UM, LIKE KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE TOURISM, UH, BOARD AND, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE. I, I THOUGHT IT GAVE GOOD DIRECTION AS TO WHAT THE POL THE TOURISM BOARD WAS ASKED TO DO. AND YOU KIND OF INCORPORATED THAT IN HERE AND, UH, AND GONE FORWARD. SO I THINK YOU DID A NICE JOB. THANKS. GOOD JOB, CYNTHIA . NO OTHER QUESTIONS. SO THE NEXT CHAPTER'S IMPLEMENTATION, AND I WILL SAY THAT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THIS WAS THE LEAST COMMENTED ON AND THE HARDEST TO DO . UM, YEAH, I, I ALREADY MENTIONED HOW WE MOVED THE 2013 IMPLEMENTATION LIST TO THIS CHAPTER. MM-HMM. SEEMED TO FIT BETTER. UM, LET'S SEE. I THINK WE ADDED A FEW POLICIES AND ACTIONS. UM, BUT OUR DISCUSSION EARLIER I THINK COVERS THE MAJOR POINTS, UM, IN THIS CHAPTER. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT? OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? UM, BETTER QUESTIONS OR WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE EVER PATIENT AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? I HAD A QUICK QUESTION, CYNTHIA, DO YOU GUYS, I ASSUME YOU GUYS ALSO REVIEW ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE THERE WAS A REALLY GOOD, UM, EMAIL THAT CAME IN FROM DAVID PRICE WHERE HE LISTED, AND I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THEM ALL, BUT HE LISTED A BUNCH OF COMMENTS AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS REVIEWED. 'CAUSE I ACTUALLY AGREED WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID IN IT. IS THAT THE ONE THAT CAME IN TODAY? UH, YES. [02:20:01] RIGHT BEFORE NOON. I PERSONALLY DID NOT HAVE TIME TO READ THAT ONE. OKAY. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. IT WAS A VERY EXCELLENT, HAD A LOT OF GREAT POINTS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE HERE, BUT IF YOU GUYS COULD JUST MAKE A POINT OF REVIEWING THAT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE NOW TO, WE WILL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION LATER, BUT WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA MOVE NOW TO THE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND THE FIRST UP WOULD BE ERNIE RAUL AFTER THAT. MARY, BY YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. TELL US YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE. I'M ERNIE STRAU. I LIVE IN SEDONA. UM, I HAVE TWO MAIN ISSUES TO, UH, PRESENT. UM, AND A LITTLE, IT'S ALL ABOUT HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. REALLY, UH, I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL IN 2002 TO OH SIX AND EVENTUALLY VICE, UH, MAYOR ALSO, I'VE SERVED AS VICE CHAIR OF THE SEDONA SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION WHEN IT EXISTED. SO THESE ARE TWO THINGS INVOLVED. THE FIRST DEALS WITH ANNEX ANNEXATION, AND, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY ALL THE WAY BACK THEN, AND NOW I DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, PARTICULAR PLAN IN FRONT OF ME, UH, JUST CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA HERE THAT WE USED TO PROHIBIT. IT USED TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY PLANT, A PROHIBITION AGAINST ANNEXATION. OKAY. I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME THAT WE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT GENERAL POLICY PRINCIPLE THAT WE, WE, THE CITY OF SEDONA, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER COTTONWOOD OR CAMP VERDE WAS IN, IN ENCROACHING, WE BELIEVED IN MAINTAINING OUR, UH, PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES. TO NOT SAY ANYTHING IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN ABOUT THAT, I THINK IS A, A BIG MISTAKE. I MEAN, IT RAISES LOTS OF QUESTIONS IN A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MIND. SO, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, FRANKLY, ON PAGE 47 UNDER LAND USE POLICIES, THIS BEING STATED OR CONSIDERED, AT LEAST FOR DISCUSSION COMING FORWARD FROM PNC TO CITY COUNCIL, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT SOME DISCUSSION AS TO A FUTURE POLICY REGARDING ANNEXATION. DO WE STILL HAVE THAT OR HAS IT JUST KIND OF FALLEN BY THE WAYSIDE? OKAY. NUMBER TWO, THAT SINGLE HOLLER ISSUE, UH, THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION SENT A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY WE'D WORKED ON THIS FOR ABOUT 18 MONTHS, RECOMMENDING THE SINGER SINGLE HOLLER. OKAY. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT A REFERENDUM WAS HELD, THIS WAS PUT ON A BALLOT, AND THE PUBLIC VOTED DOWN THE POSSIBILITY OF A SINGLE HOLLERER ON THE BASIS OF DESIRING CHOICE, PERSONAL CHOICE. EVERYBODY WANTED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I'M DONE. THANKS. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT MARY BY, IS MARY BYRD STILL HERE? NO. OKAY. MARY NELL. TERRY. HELLO. HI, MY NAME IS MARY NELL TERRY, AND I'M A 23 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY OF FOOTHILL SOUTH. THANK YOU. UH, ONE THAT IS, UH, ALMOST DIRECTLY ADJACENT ACROSS THE HIGHWAY TO, UH, THE CULTURAL PARK. AND WE, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE SURROUNDING ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE USE OF THE, UH, CULTURAL PARK AS AN OVERNIGHT PARKING FACILITY. UH, THE RULES FOR THE OVERNIGHT ONLY PARKING AT THE CULTURAL PARK ARE COMPLETELY UNENFORCEABLE, THUS MAKING THIS AN IDEAL PLACE FOR VAGRANTS, CRIMINALS, DRUG DEALERS, EVEN TOURISTS WANTING A, A PLACE TO PARK CHEAP OR TO CAMP OUT OVERNIGHT. DUE TO THE LACK OF ENFORCEMENT, OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE RE REPRESENTING ITS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHO PAY UNTOLD PROPERTY TAXES, [02:25:01] NOT JUST CATERING TO BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS WHO ARE IN NEED. D DIRE NEED OF CHEAP, UH, UH, CHEAP LABOR FORCE AND ALL. IS IT ALL THAT WE WANT FROM OUR BELOVED LITTLE SMALL TOWN IS A MECCA FOR TOURISTS? OR CAN IT STILL BE THE PLACE WE MOVED HERE TO ENJOY FOR ITS SCENERY, ART AND CULTURAL? PROVIDED OUR CITY GOVERNMENT DOESN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE TREASURE IT IS BY REDUCING IT TO AN AMUSEMENT PARK COMPLETELY WITH OVERNIGHT FACILITIES FOR ONE AND ALL. NO MATTER AS, AS MIGHT BE DEDUCED BY THE READING OF LOCAL MEDIA REPORTS, ONE COULD PERHAPS WONDER IF NO MATTER IF YOU DON'T WANNA PAY, THE CITY WILL ACCOMMODATE YOU, COMPLETE WITH SHOWERS AND RESTROOMS IN THE, UH, MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONCE A CULTURAL PARK. AND DON'T WORRY, THE CITY HAS ENOUGH TAX TO ENABLE IT TO BUY A POTENTIALLY RENEWABLE CULTURAL PARK, BUT TURN IT INTO A SLUM AND PERHAPS THE CITY DOESN'T PROVIDE RESOURCES TO MON PROPERLY MONITOR, UH, THIS LIVE IN YOUR CAR, ONLY AT NIGHT, PLACE TO STAY. WHO GETS KICKED OUT AND BY WHOM? HOW AND WHEN, WHO CLEANS UP THE DOG FECES? WHO CLEANS UP THE SHOWERS AND RESTROOMS THE CITY PROVIDES? WHO PICKS UP THE TRASH LEFT BEHIND CONCERNING FUTURE LAND USE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE CITY HAS ACCESS TO A PERFECT VENUE FOR A REAL PARK IN THE ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY, NOT JUST THE LITTLE POCKET PARKS WHICH THE CITY MAINTAINS AT PRESENT. THERE WAS ONCE A WALKTHROUGH DISPLAYING BRONZES WORKS OF ARTS IN ADDITION TO THE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE. TRULY A CULTURE PARK. THIS AREA ALSO IS PER A PERFECT SPOT FOR AN OBSERVATION POINT. IT'S USED AS PRESENT AS SUCH, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT MAINTAINED BY THE CITY, I URGE THE P AND Z TO RECONSIDER ITS PROPOSAL TO OF THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY AND ITS RE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR REVISION OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER. OKAY, THANK YOU MS. TERRY. AND JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, YOU COULD HAVE PROBABLY SPOKEN EARLIER IN THE AGENDA. UM, AND BE HOME BY NOW. , I CONSIDER THIS A PART OF THE SEDAN COMMUNITY PLAN. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND LINDA MARTINEZ IS NOT HERE. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR REQUESTED SPEAKERS. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, SO NOW WE, WE'LL GO BACK TO DISCUSSION. WE REALLY DID OUR DISCUSSION. GO AHEAD. CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP, UM, WITH THE LAST SPEAKER, UM, THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR CONSIDERATION AT CITY COUNCIL ON MARCH 12TH. UM, AND THERE'S, THROUGH OUR WEBSITE YOU CAN SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE CO THE COUNCIL IN ADVANCE OF THAT. AND YOU CAN COME AND THANK YOU. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES THERE AS WELL. JUST WANTED TO, WILL WILL A NOTICE BE MAILED TO THE RESIDENCE? UM, THE, THE NOTICE ONLY GOES TO NEIGHBORS WITHIN 300 FEET, SO PROBABLY NOT 300 FEET IS NOT RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M LETTING YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DATE WAS OUT THERE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO WE DID DISCUSSION MORE OR LESS AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE DOING COMMENTS. MM-HMM. . UM, ARE THERE OTHER IDEAS THAT HAVE COME TO YOUR MIND AS WE'VE MOVED FROM SECTION TO SECTION? DO WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DISCUSS? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SUMMARIZE MY NOTES? THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS I WON'T SUMMARIZE THAT ARE CLERICAL THINGS, AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING WE WILL, WE FEEL FREE TO FORWARD THOSE ALONG. UM, BUT OF THE ONES THAT ARE MORE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, UM, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING ACTION ITEMS REGARDING LAND ACQUISITION OR ANNEXATION, UM, TO AT LEAST EVALUATE, EXAMINE THOSE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES IN BOTH THE LAND USE SECTION AND THE ENVIRONMENT SECTION. UM, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION AROUND THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND THAT, UM, WE KIND OF GOT DIRECTION FOR WHAT YOU GUYS WANTED US TO LOOK AT AND HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE THAT SECTION MORE CLEAR. UM, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THE STREETS GRAPHICS, THE COMPLETE STREETS GRAPHICS AND THE STREET SAFETY FOR ALL. SO WE'LL RELOOK AT THOSE AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO GET SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AND A LITTLE MORE IN THE DIRECTION THAT, UM, THE, THE COMMISSION WAS GOING [02:30:02] OR ADDING. UM, EXPLORE THE TRANSFER OF 1 79 ALONG WITH WEST 89 A JUST AMENDING THAT POLICY ITEM OR ADDING IT AS A NEW ONE. WE'LL KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST DIRECTION IS THERE. UM, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF ON THE STATUS OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN AND THE SIM PROJECTS AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT CLEARER DIRECTION OF WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE HAPPENING IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS WITH THAT. AND, UM, EVALUATE SOME OF THE REFERENCES TO SIM IN LIGHT OF THAT. UM, AND THEN THE WATER, ALL THE WATER POLICIES REGARDING RESOLVING LEAKS IN THE WATER SYSTEM, MAYBE NOT JUST IN INDIVIDUAL HOUSES. UM, EXPLORING, UM, WHETHER WE CAN CHARGE SEWER FEES BASED ON WATER USE. AND AGAIN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED THAT WE'LL NEED TO CONTACT. UM, AND THEN, LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE. AND THEN, YEAH, AND THEN THE SINGLE HOLLER DISCUSSION. UM, AND THEN WE'LL REVIEW THE RESULTS OF THE CITIZEN BUDGET SURVEY AND INCLUDE A, UM, A POLICY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS A DIRECTION THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY AT LEAST EXPLORE. AND THEN WE ALSO IN THE SECTION ON WATER CONSERVATION AND WASTEWATER INVESTIGATING PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. OKAY. OKAY. JUST A MINUTE. YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO, COLLIE HAD MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT REVIEWING THE MIXED USE IN COMMERCIAL AND MAKING SURE THE MAPS ARE RIGHT. SO INVEST, SORRY, NOT JUST RIGHT THAT WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, UM, ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR MIXED USE AND NOT JUST GOING WITH HISTORICAL MAPS FOR THE FACT OF HISTORICAL MAPS SAKE. GOOD. GOOD. RIGHT. SORRY. THANK YOU. THAT'S OKAY. SO SORRY. SO FOR THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS FOR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WASTE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WAS THAT, WELL, I THINK IT WAS MORE LIKE WITH THE, WELL THAT ONE POLICY ABOUT THE RIPPLE EFFECT, THAT'S REALLY A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WATER CONSERVATION AND POSSIBLY WATER CONSERVATION. POSSIBLY, YEAH. AND POSSIBLY PUTTING IT UNDER WASTEWATER AS WELL. I'M, I'M NOT, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE WASTEWATER FOLKS VISION IS. OKAY. SO WE'RE INVESTIGATING ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARTNER PRI PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS FOR WATER CONSERVATION SIMILAR TO RIPPLE EFFECT. YEAH. OKAY. JUST POLICY 7.1. IS THAT AN EXISTING POLICY? OKAY. COULD I JUST MAKE A COMMENT ON THE, UM, SINGLE HAULER? UM, BECAUSE IF THERE'S IN A PRAYER THAT IT'S EVEN CONSIDERED, UH, A SINGLE HAULER IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA PASS. BUT IF YOU HAD A REDUCED HAUL, I MEAN I'D BE HAPPY IF THERE ARE ONLY TWO TRUCKS INSTEAD OF FOUR COMING AROUND AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF IS GONNA SPEND A HUNDRED AND THOUSAND DOLLARS CONVINCING THE COMMUNITY THIS IS A BAD IDEA. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REDUCED IT, YOU'D BE AT LEAST ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING. AND THEN WE HAVE, SO INSTEAD OF STATING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE THAT, THAT THAT'S THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU COULD DO IT TO HAVE SINGLE, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD HAVE CONTRACTS WITH TWO COMPANIES. SO, AND THEN, UM, I THINK THAT THAT CAN JUST BE ENCOMPASSED IN A GENERAL STATEMENT AND SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK INTO AS IT'S EXPLORED MORE. PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TOO SPECIFIC FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN. AND, AND THAT'S RIGHT. I JUST, I JUST WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE TERM SINGLE HAULER. MM-HMM . OKAY. BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE FOUR HAULERS BUT YOU DIVIDE THE CITY UP AND FORGE YOUR RESTRICTIONS. I MEAN IT JUST DEPENDS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HOPEFULLY MAYBE YOU COULD ELIMINATE THE TWO LITTLE GUYS, YOU KNOW, , LET'S SEE YOU COULD I SINGLE HOLLER. SO BOTH GUYS MIGHT HAVE THE BEST RATES. YOU GET BETTER RATES IF YOU GET A CONTRACT. YEAH, BIG CONTRACT. OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, HAVE A UM, REEVALUATE MIXED USE AREAS TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE ANY AREAS WHERE THEY CAN BE EXPANDED OR, OR MODIFIED OR OR ADDRESSED IN THE CFA PLAN. UM, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN I HAD, UM, ANNEXATION DID, WAS THAT ON YOUR, GOT THAT? YEP. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. CAN I ASK CLARIFICATION ON THIS BOAT THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE? I KNOW YOU WENT OVER IT AT THE BEGINNING CYNTHIA DAY, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY. YES, GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, [02:35:01] SO THE VOTE, THE MOTION AND VOTE WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE SENDS THIS TO CITY COUNCIL POTENTIALLY. AND ALL OF THE CHANGES IN THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD IS KIND OF LIKE ANY OTHER VOTE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THOSE TERMS. SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY GET TO SEE THIS AGAIN IN REGARDS TO THE CHANGES WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY. IT'S JUST US SENDING IT ALONG WITH SOME CHANGES TO BE LOOKED AT, IF THAT'S AS CLEAR AS MUD, RIGHT? YES. IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO YOU APPROVING A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WITH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE WOULD MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT, US BEING THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT, UM, ADHERES TO GOING FORWARD. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T SAY YES, I KNOW WE'RE ON A TIMELINE SO THAT THAT IS A COMPONENT, BUT OUT OF MY OWN CURIOSITY, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T SAY YES, I THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE A REASON AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REVISE OR CHANGE THEN WE WOULD GO THAT ROUTE. UM, THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. UM, LET'S SEE. OH, THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, UM, FOLLOWING UP ON CARRIE'S POINT IS THAT WITH A LIST OF REVISIONS THAT CARRIE HAS THERE, UM, WE WOULD MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND THEN SHOW THAT REVISED PLAN TO COUNSEL. OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE KIND OF HARD TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. SO DOES THAT COME AS LIKE A LITTLE ADDENDUM OR DID YOU THROW IT INTO THE PLAN AND THEN SAY THIS WAS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED AT THE LAST P AND Z MEETING? LIKE HOW DOES THAT APPEAR? SO COUNSEL KNOWS THAT HEY, THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT PNZ SAID LAST WEEK. SO WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THIS LIST, BUT WE'D ALSO PROVIDE THEM WITH AN UPDATED DRAFT WITH THE, THE CHANGES INCORPORATED INTO IT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN YOUR MOTION WOULD REFERENCE THE CHANGES. THESE CHANGES, SO, SO WOULD THAT BE DRAFT VERSION NUMBER THREE? THEY WOULD SEE YES. YES. AT THEIR WORK SESSION. WE MAY NOT HAVE EVERY SINGLE CORRECTION FIXED, BUT WE GET IT. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN DRAFTED IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT AND LET'S SEE WHERE IT GOES. YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. UH, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO SIT ON THE CITY COUNCIL, THE ADOPTION OF THE DRAFT COMMUNITY PLAN DATED FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024 WITH REVISIONS AS DIRECTED BY THE COMMISSION AND OTHER REVISIONS AS PROPOSED BY STAFF, INCLUDING CORRECTIONS, OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, THE GRAPHICS, IMAGES, AND DATA. OKAY. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, WAS THAT AN AYE? A AYE, RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT'S UNANIMOUS. UM, AND UH, WE WILL PASS IT ALONG WITH UH, A LOT OF CHANGES FOR YOU TO INCORPORATE. AND AGAIN, JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERED OR DOING A WORK SESSION FOR THIS NEXT WEDNESDAY AT THREE O'CLOCK I BELIEVE IT STARTS. YES. IS THAT, AND THEN, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 12TH AND THERE, UM, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER NOTICE, UM, GOING OUT ABOUT THE MARCH 12TH. SO IF PEOPLE HAVE RECEIVED POSTCARDS, THIS WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE AND HOPEFULLY THE LAST ONE THAT YOU WOULD RECEIVE. OKAY. SO IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION? YES. OKAY. AND ANY, ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS WE GET BETWEEN NOW AND ABOUT A WEEK IN ADVANCE OF THE HEARING, WE CAN PROVIDE TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN ADVANCE OF THE HEARING TOO. JUST AS YOU EXPERIENCE IT GETS A LITTLE ROUGH TO TRY TO DUMP IT ALL ON THEM THE SAME DAY. SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE GETTING THEM IN ADVANCE IF THERE ARE WRITTEN COMMENTS. AND THEN CAN YOU MAKE SURE TO GET THE PROPERTY OWNER COMMENTS IN THAT PACKET AS WELL? YES, I WAS JUST GONNA ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU. UM, WE WILL ALSO SEND OUT, I GUESS THIS WOULD BE LIKE THE THIRD, UM, PROPERTY OWNER NOTIFICATION ABOUT MAP CHANGES. UM, THERE'S THAT ONE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT. OKAY. OKAY, THAT'S GONNA CLOSE. UM, AGENDA ITEM FIVE, LET'S [6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS] GO TO NUMBER SIX. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. SO WE DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED FOR BOTH THE SHOOT, THE FIFTH AND THE 19TH I THINK ARE THE DATES. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. THE FIFTH WE WILL BE LOOKING OR YOU WILL BE CONSIDERING THE JORDAN TOWN HOMES PROJECT, WHICH IS UM, ON JORDAN ROAD. UM, IT'S JUST THE COUPLE ACRES CLOSEST TO THE ROAD, NOT THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY [02:40:01] THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR REZONING A COUPLE YEARS AGO. THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROJECT, UM, BUT IT'S 19 TOWNHOUSES. AND THEN ON THE 19TH THERE IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT SUBDIVISION APPLICATION FOR THE, UM, PROPERTY AROUND THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY BUILDING TO SPLIT THAT INTO MULTIPLE, ABOUT I THINK FOUR LOTS INSTEAD OF THE CURRENT TWO. UM, ALL OF YOU'LL GET THE PACKETS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A WEEK IN ADVANCE IN THE MEETING, BUT THOSE PROJECT, UM, APPLICATION PACKETS ARE ON OUR WEBSITE IF YOU ARE BORED AND WOULD LIKE TO START LOOKING THROUGH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR EITHER OF THOSE PROJECTS. AND ARE THERE GONNA BE SITE VISITS ON THOSE DAYS TOO? UM, PROBABLY NOT FOR THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION. IT IS AN ACTIVE, YEAH, NO THEY CAN'T CONSTRUCTION SITE WITH SOME SIGNIFICANT GRADING SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS YOU DRIVE BY. BUT WE CAN SCHEDULE A SITE VISIT FOR THE JORDAN TOWNHOUSES PROJECT. OKAY. UM, WITH THAT [8. ADJOURNMENT] I BELIEVE WE ARE ADJOURNED AT SEVEN 10. THANK YOU. GREAT MEETING. GOOD JOB. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.