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[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
IT'S TUESDAY, MARCH 5TH, 2004.
IT'S FOUR 30 AND I'LL RISE WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONER AND STAFF.UM, JUST TO UPDATE ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS SEEN RECENTLY.
UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS MOVING THROUGH COUNCIL WITH SOME WORK SESSIONS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ET CETERA.
THEY DID A WORK SESSION LAST WEEK.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE NEXT WEEK AND MM-HMM,
WHAT, I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK? YES.
UM, GOING TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK AND THE VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING WILL BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL MARCH 26TH.
UM, AND THEN THE NAVAJO LOSS PROJECT, WHICH IS THE DUPLEX PROJECT OVER HERE, DID BREAK, DID START CONSTRUCTION THIS WEEK.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.WE WILL ACCEPT THAT AS WRITTEN AND APPROVED.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FILLED OUT FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM CORRECT
SO WE WILL CLOSE THAT AND MOVE ON
[5.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Development Review (DEV) to allow for construction of 19 townhomes (Jordan Townhomes) at 630 Jordan Road. The property is ±2.06 acres, and is located northeast the intersection of Jordan Road and Navahopi Road. APN: 401-58-001A]
TO NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES.THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 19 TOWN HOMES KNOWN AS JORDAN TOWN HOMES AT SIX 30 JORDAN ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS PLUS OR MINUS 2.06 ACRES AND IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF JORDAN ROAD AND NAVA HOPI ROAD.
THERE IS ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 1 DASH FIVE EIGHT DASH 0 0 1 A.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 22 DASH 0 0 0 0 1.
AND THE OWNER APPLICANT IS MICM, SEDONA JORDAN LOFS PROJECT LP MIRAMONTE HOLMES, REPRESENTED BY JERRY GRAY.
THANK YOU CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
SO WE DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
UM, AS ALWAYS, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT MORE INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ANYTHING WE'RE HAPPY TO GO INTO, UM, DETAIL ON ON ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
BUT JUST, UH, WE WILL JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THIS PROJECT IS.
UM, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS WHAT THE CHAIR JUST READ, BUT THE PROJECT IS LOCATED ON JORDAN ROAD, UM, AND IT'S JUST OVER TWO ACRES.
IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A 19 UNIT TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE ZONING AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN DESIGNATIONS ARE BOTH FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT THIS PROJECT IS.
UM, THE VICINITY MAP SHOWS IS HERE WITH THE PROPERTY SOMEWHAT HIGHLIGHTED IF YOU CAN TELL.
UM, YOU HAVE JORDAN ROAD RUNNING NORTH TO SOUTH HERE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE ALONG JORDAN ROAD, YOU HAVE AN RM THREE, WHICH IS THE HIGHER DENSITY MULTIFAMILY TRANSITIONING DOWN INTO THE RM TWO, WHICH IS THIS SECTION OF JORDAN ROAD.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S SOME RM ONE AND THEN IT MOVES MORE INTO SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH AND OFF OF JORDAN.
UM, THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY SHOWS THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
AND AS WE SAW IN THE SITE VISIT TODAY, THE, THERE'S SOME LOW SHRUBS AND SMALL TREES ON THE SITE, BUT IT'S MOSTLY JUST A FLAT VACANT LOT OR
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FLAT FOR SEDONA.UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
THEY ARE PROPOSING A NEW ROAD, WHICH IS REFERRED TO IN THE PROJECT DOCUMENTS AS HARRIS COURT THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE LOT WITH TWO BUILDINGS ON THE NORTH AND TWO BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH.
UM, THIS GO, THIS ROAD WOULD GO THROUGH, UM, THE SITE AND CONNECT TO QUAIL TAIL TRAIL HERE.
AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WOULD BE A ROAD FOR A SUBDIVISION ON THAT EIGHT UNIT SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BUT NOT RECORDED.
UM, THAT PROPERTY IS ALSO OWNED BY THE APPLICANT AND I BELIEVE THEY ANTICIPATE KIND OF BUILDING THESE TWO OUT TOGETHER.
BUT AGAIN, THAT SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND ONCE THEY GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT, THE LOTS, THE PLA WOULD BE ABLE TO BE RECORDED.
UM, THE OF THE BUILDINGS, THESE BUILDINGS TO THE NORTH OF THE ROAD AND THEN THE ONE ON THE SOUTHWEST OF THE ROAD ARE FIVE UNIT BUILDINGS.
WITH THIS ONE HERE BEING A FOUR UNIT BUILDING, UH, WHEN WE REVIEWED, SORRY, I'M SORRY.
WHEN WE REVIEWED THE PLANS, WE DID REVIEW THEM AS UM, LIKE FOR SETBACKS AND DENSITY FOR EACH PROPERTY SEPARATELY, NOT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE BECAUSE OF THAT NEW ROAD GOING THROUGH, UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS HOW THIS PROPERTY FITS IN WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
UM, AS WE SAW ON THE SITE VISIT THIS MORNING, THIS ENTRANCE ONTO JORDAN ROAD LINES UP WITH A DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN HERE.
UM, I THINK I'M ONLY SHOWING ONE ELEVATION.
ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE MORE OR LESS THE SAME COLOR SCHEME AND DESIGN.
THERE WAS A MATERIALS BOARD, CAN'T SEE THE EDGE OF IT, BUT YEAH, WE DID.
UM, TO SEE THE COLORS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, WE WORKED WITH THEM QUITE A BIT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE FACING THE ROADS HAVE THAT LEVEL OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING WITH THE DIFFERENT, UM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS WHERE YOU STILL HAVE SOME WAINSCOTTING OF THE ROCK AND THE LITTLE ROOFS KIND OF WRAPPING AROUND THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING SO THAT ALL OF THE SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE FACING STREETS HAVE THAT ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING.
UM, THE REVIEW, WHICH AGAIN WE GO TO IN MUCH MORE DETAIL IN YOUR PACKET, WE LOOKED AT HEIGHT, DENSITY, SETBACKS, GRADING AND DRAINAGE ACCESS, PARKING, LANDSCAPING SITE AND BUILDING DESIGN, OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
WE ALSO REVIEWED THE PROJECT FOR REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW APPLICATION AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH AS THE PROPERTY HAS A MULTI-FAMILY DESIGNATION.
AND THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.
IT WAS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD REVIEW.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT AND THE APPLICANT COMPLETED THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN.
THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND BELIEVE THIS AFTERNOON YOU WERE EMAILED, UM, THAT THERE HAD BEEN A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS THAT HAD COME IN SINCE UM, THE PACKET WAS DISTRIBUTED LAST WEEK.
UM, AND JUST AS A POINT AS WE, I THINK WE POINTED OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT TOO, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT DID COME IN KIND OF FALL OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, BUT REALLY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION IS LOOKING AT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, THE DESIGN OF THE SITE.
AND A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS ARE EITHER THINGS WE DON'T REVIEW FOR OR RULE BE REVIEWING FOR ONCE WE GET TO THE BUILDING PERMITS OR THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ADDRESSED IN CITY CODE AND WOULD JUST BE ENFORCED.
UM, THINGS LIKE GARBAGE CAN COMING BACK IN AND THAT SORT OF THING WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME WAY IN ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO CLARIFY ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THOSE ITEMS. UM, SO IN CONCLUSION, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, UM, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE AS WELL.
THEY DO NOT HAVE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION BUT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
SO WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF.
WHOMEVER WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST JUST INDICATE TO ME.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS REGARDING, UM, THIS SITE VISIT THIS MORNING.
I DID ASK IF WE COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DOG PARK.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO FIND THOSE ON THE PLANS TODAY.
YEAH, SO I THINK THE PLANS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THESE ONES HERE WHERE THEY, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING A, A DOG PARK IN THIS AREA AND THEIR LETTER OF INTENT REFERENCES AS WELL.
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YES, WE DID FIND THAT.COULD YOU PULL THE MIC DOWN PLEASE? THANK YOU.
WE DID FIND THAT WITHIN THE DRAWINGS ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UHHUH
AND THEN WHAT SIZE OF THAT, WHAT SIZE ARE YOU CONSIDERING FOR THAT DOG BARK? WE DON'T HAVE THOSE DIMENSIONS YET.
SO THEN MY OTHER QUESTION THEN ON THIS, UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN IS IN YOUR LETTER OF INTENT YOU DISCUSSED RAMADA AND BARBECUE GRILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE JUST TWO RAMADA AND THEN FOUR BENCHES.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IT'S MORE OF A MEET AND GREET FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE.
AND THEN, UM, THE NOTE ON THE LANDSCAPING, UM, PLAT DOES STATE THAT YA ARMADAS ARE GOING TO HAVE A PICNIC TABLE AND THEN WITH A BARBECUE GRILL.
WHAT KIND OF GRILL ARE YOU IN INSTALLING? CHARCOAL, GAS GRILLS? MOST LIKELY CHARCOAL.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF SPECIFIC THINGS ABOUT THE DOG PARK AND THE FENCING AND THE SIZE AND ANYTHING ABOUT IT AT ALL? NO, WE DON'T.
SO IN THAT LOCATION, THE FENCING WOULD BE LIMITED TO SIX FEET AND THEY'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE COLOR AND MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS.
CARRIE CHARLOTTE, UM, WE REFERENCED 19 TOWN HOMES, BUT THEN 24 AND OTHER PLACES AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF, OF SIX OF 'EM AND THEY COUNT, UH, TWO OF 'EM, COUNT AS ONE AND SO FORTH.
COULD YOU RUN US THROUGH HOW MANY FRONT DOORS THERE ARE? LET'S LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
UM, AND WHAT THE SIZES OF THE UNITS ARE, SQUARE FOOTAGE, HOW MANY OF EACH TYPE GET THE SIZES? SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, SOME EARLIER VERSIONS OF THE PLANS DID INCLUDE A FEW MORE UNITS BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE SMALLER UNITS.
THIS VERSION OF THE PLAN WITH THE 19 REPLACE THE SMALLER UNITS WITH LARGER UNITS.
SO THERE AREN'T ANY OF THE, THERE AREN'T ANY OF THE SMALLER UNITS, BUT I, THEY DID NOT UPDATE THINGS LIKE THEIR TRAFFIC REPORTS.
SINCE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS WAS GETTING LOWER, WE DIDN'T REQUIRE THEM TO UPDATE SOME OF THOSE PROJECT DOCUMENTS.
SINCE THAT'S, AND I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION OF STAFF AND SHE TOLD ME THAT THE SITE PLAN AT LEAST INDICATED THAT THERE WERE GONNA BE 14 THREE BEDROOM YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT THE FOUR PLANS SHOW, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND WHAT ARE THE SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THOSE? HAVE THE RANGES.
REMEMBER ARCHITECT DIDN'T COME
I CAN ASK ANOTHER QUESTION WHILE SHE'S FLIPPING THROUGH IF YOU WANT.
UM, SO SINCE THE, THIS HARRIS COURT OR PERHAPS ANOTHER NAME WILL BE CHOSEN, UM, EXTENDS INTO JORDAN ESTATES MM-HMM.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE A RETENTION BASIN THERE, IS THERE A BUILDING PERMIT NEEDED FOR THAT SIDE OF THE YEAH, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO GET GRADING PERMITS FOR ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEY, MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ANTICIPATE DOING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, BUT SINCE THAT EIGHT UNIT SUBDIVISION HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, THAT ALL THOSE APPROVALS ARE IN PLACE, THEY JUST NEED THIS ONE APPROVED SO THEY CAN DO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE SAME TIME.
SO YEAH, THERE WILL BE PERMITS FOR EVERYTHING.
WELL, I KNEW THAT, I JUST WONDERED AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS SINCE IT WASN'T COMING TONIGHT, BUT OKAY.
UM, PUBLIC ART, THERE'S A CONTRIBUTION TO PUBLIC ART AS OPPOSED TO PROVIDING PUBLIC ART.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, YEAH, WELL WHEN WE KNOW THE OTHER THEN WE'LL KNOW.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS PROJECTS LIKE ART AND THE ROUNDABOUTS THAT THE CITY IS WORKING ON.
I JUST WONDERED HOW MUCH YEAH, ME TOO.
I'M NOT LOCATING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE UNITS.
WE WERE FOCUSING ON THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, UH, TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, WHICH I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR SHORTEST ONE IS 21 FEET, EIGHT INCHES.
I'M NOT LOCATING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WOULD SOMEONE ELSE ON YOUR TEAM BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CHECKING.
THEY NO, THEY DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
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WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS HERE TO SEE IF THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING ON THE FRONT.WHAT WE WERE FOCUSED ON WAS THE LOT COVERAGE AND THEY MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO I MEAN, THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM APARTMENTS ARE, I WOULD THINK SORT OF UNUSUAL AROUND HERE.
SO I JUST WONDERED HOW TINY ARE THEY OR HOW LARGE ARE THEY? OKAY.
UM, AND I'M THINKING SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS WERE JUST NOT UPDATED.
UH, WAS TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION COMMENCING IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2023.
WHAT'S THE NEW PLAN?
AND WE WOULD START DEVELOPING WITHIN FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS, UH, FROM NOW.
AND A CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE OF HOW LONG? I'M THINKING 18 MONTHS AT MAX.
UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THAT FOR, ARE WE, THERE'S, IT'S ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA, UM, WHICH IS ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET PER UNIT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 19 UNITS.
BUT THEN THERE ARE TWO STORIES.
SO 2000 SQUARE FEET OR SO AROUND THERE PER UNIT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ESTIMATE FOR A THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM.
AND THE 60 CENTS WOULD BE BASED ON THE FOOTPRINT, SIZE OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IS THERE ANY VISITOR PARKING ASIDE FROM ON A DRIVEWAY? NO, THERE'S NONE.
NO ADDITIONAL PLANNED RIGHT NOW.
UM, IS BELLA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT LOCAL? DO THEY HAVE A LOCAL PRESENCE HERE? I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN FLAGSTAFF.
THEY'RE BASED ON FLAGSTAFF AND THAT.
WOULD YOU COME UP TO THE MIC PLEASE? THANK YOU.
AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF? CHRIS KIMBERLY FROM ANI HOMES.
UH, BELLA IS OUT OF FLAGSTAFF.
UH, THEY MANAGE, UH, IN FLAGSTAFF AND IN COTTONWOOD.
UH, AND WE HAVEN'T SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THEM, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WELL, THAT'S THE ONE YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, THEY CURRENTLY MANAGE IN COTTONWOOD FOR YOU REMOTELY? I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN COTTONWOOD.
OUR COTTONWOOD PROJECT IS A, A REGULAR MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
IT'S KENNY MANAGEMENT AND IT'S FOR SALE HOUSING.
I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU MANAGE, UH, AT A DISTANCE FOR RENTALS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE CHOOSING NOT TO PUT IN ANY CC AND R OR RULES.
UM, HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW THINGS ARE GONNA BE? 'CAUSE I, I LIVE IN, BESIDES, UH, WHOEVER OUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS, WILL BE BASED OUT OF FLAGSTAFF, WHICH IS 50 MINUTES AWAY.
OUR OFFICES AND FLAGSTAFF, I LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF.
I'M THROUGH SEDONA TWICE, TWICE A WEEK.
SO, SO YOU'LL PAY ATTENTION IF THE GARBAGE IS TAKEN BACK IN? MA'AM, I'M THE ONE THAT PERSONALLY SIGNS THE LOANS
SO YES, I DO PERSONALLY SIGNS THE LOANS.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT LOANS THAT WOULD BE, BUT, OKAY.
I, I, I, I HAVE, I'M THE, THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY.
I, UH, WE OWN THE PROJECT, SO YES, I HAVE A VERY BIG VEST IN INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THESE ARE RUN CORRECTLY.
AND I BELIEVE MR. KIMBERLY, WHEN HE SAYS HE DRIVES THROUGH TWICE A, A MONTH OR TWICE A WEEK ON ALL OUR PROPERTIES, UM, HE DOES VERIFY, UM, A RC CHANGES IN ANY OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
GARBAGE CANS BEING LEFT OUT, WE GET NOTIFIED AND WE CONTACT THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE CONTACTED TO GET THOSE THINGS TAKEN CARE OF.
I'LL JUST SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT RULES IN PLACE.
IT'S, UH, FOR YOUR OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES, YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM EITHER.
WE, WE HAVE RULES IN OUR LEASES AND, AND WE, WE MAY SELL THESE, I DON'T KNOW, WITH THIS HAS TAKEN SO LONG TO DO, AND WITH THE PRICE INCREASES AND, AND BUILDING COSTS, WE, THEY COULD BE SOLD AS FOR SALE OR THEY COULD BE RENTED.
BUT IF WE DO RENT THEM, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF CONDITIONS IN OUR LEASES THAT CONTROL THINGS.
DO YOU THINK IT'S AS STRONG AS CCNRS OR YOU, YOU'RE EQUATING IT TO THE CCNRS? MA'AM, IT'S WAY STRONGER THAN CCNRS BECAUSE A TENANT, IF WE DO RENT THESE, A TENANT IS NOT, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT CCNRS, THE ONLY LEGAL DOCUMENT THEY HAVE AS A LEASE, AND THEY HAVE TO
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ABIDE BY THAT LEASE.WILL THE LEASE ALLOW SUBLEASES? NO.
IF YOU'RE NOT READY, I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN.
UM, ON THE, WHEN, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE FOR SALE OR FOR FOR LEASE? BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT AS A, A RENT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING RENTAL HOUSING.
I RIGHT NOW, BASED ON COST AND THAT, I WOULD SAY WE'RE GONNA LEASE IT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA RESERVE THE RIGHT IF I WANT TO SELL THEM LEGALLY, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO IF THEY DECIDED TO DO THAT, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO BASIC, ESSENTIALLY A CONDO CONVERSION.
AND SO YOU WOULD SEE A PRELIMINARY PLAQUE.
LEGALLY THE, THESE ARE FOR LEASE? YES.
AND, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE FOUR AND FIVE OR THREE AND FOUR
ARE THESE FOR FAMILIES? THAT'S WHO ARE YOU MARKETING THESE TO? THAT THAT'S OUR HOPE.
WELL, I WON'T GET INTO EXTERNALITIES, BUT IT'S HARD FOR A FAMILY TO LIVE IN.
SO THEN IF IT IS FOR FAMILIES, I WOULD'VE EXPECTED MORE AMENITIES FOR CHILDREN IN A PROJECT THIS SMALL, YOU CAN'T REALLY PROVIDE FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A GYM SET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, THE ONES THAT YOU ORDINARILY SEE, WE'VE, WE SEE 'EM IN OUR APARTMENT COMPLEXES HERE IN TOWN.
UM, BEYOND THE RAMADA, BEYOND THE BARBECUE.
I WOULD THINK YOU'D HAVE SOME AMENITIES FOR CHILDREN.
WHAT WE FOUND IS, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THIS SMALL, UM, DOG PARKS ARE PEOPLE LIKE DOG PARKS.
UM, AND THEY HAVE A PLACE THAT'S SET ASIDE THAT IS MANAGED AND CLEANED UP AND MAINTAINED.
UH, IS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE PLAYGROUND SETS FOR THE, FOR THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M NOT GONNA KID YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DIRT LEFT TO DO IT.
I MEAN IT JUST, IT WOULDN'T REALLY MM-HMM.
I CAN GO NEXT IF, DID YOU WANT HIM, DO YOU WANNA FINISH THE WEEK? SURE.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME IN FROM THE PUBLIC WAS CONCERNS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, I WASN'T SURE IF THAT FOLLOWED, FOLLOWED, FELL INTO THE CATEGORY OF SOMETHING WE DON'T TALK ABOUT HERE.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, IF IT'S A BROWNFIELD OR NOT.
WE DON'T REQUIRE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS AS PART OF THIS REVIEW PROCESS.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REVIEW FOR.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S EVALUATED AT SOME POINT DURING THE PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING ON A SAFE PROPERTY? I HAVE TO GET A PHASE ONE OR WE CAN'T GET A LOAN.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PHASE ONE? NO.
DO YOU HIRE A ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT? THEY COME IN RESEARCH PROPERTY, DO SOILS, ENGINEERING, SOIL TESTING, AND THEY WRITE A REPORT THAT I CAN TAKE TO A BANK.
PHASE ONE IS THE FIRST LEVEL OF ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, ASSESSMENT.
IF YOU CAN'T PASS THAT, THEN I, I WOULDN'T BUY THE PROPERTY.
WE DO THAT WHILE WE'RE IN DUE DILIGENCE.
DID YOU WANNA, IS PHASE ONE JUST A VISUAL ASSESSMENT? NO, MA'AM.
I JUST SAID WE'D DO A SOIL TEST.
THEY DO HISTORIC, THEY GO BACK THROUGH THE RECORDS AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE PRIOR USES WERE.
AND THEY DO TEST THE SOIL SO THE BANK WOULD BE PRIVY TO THIS.
WELL, WE ARE, BEFORE WE WOULD EVEN GO TO THE BANK, CONSIDER BUYING THE LAND, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PHASE ONE.
AND YES, I CANNOT GET A LOAN WITH A BANK FOR CONSTRUCTION FINANCING OR, UH, PERMANENT FINANCING WITHOUT A PHASE ONE.
SO THE BANK WOULD BE APPRISED OF THE RESULTS? YES, OF COURSE.
UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I WAS FEELING LACKED IS A COMMITMENT TO SUSTAINABILITY.
A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE US USUALLY PROPOSE THINGS LIKE PERMEABLE PAVEMENTS OR STORMWATER CAPTURE AND REUSE, SOLAR BIKE RACKS,
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WATER, YOU KNOW, WATER STATIONS, LEAD CERTIFICATION.UM, AND WHEN I READ THE SUSTAINABILITY SECTION, I BASICALLY SAW, YOU KNOW, UM, EV CAPABLE, WHICH I THINK IS ACTUALLY A LAND DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT'S ACTUALLY A DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUILDING CODE WE HAVE TO DO FOR BUILDING CODE.
UM, AND SO, UH, I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE MORE OF A COMMITMENT.
UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, S YOU KNOW, BEING PROGRESSIVE, WE, WE ARE FOLLOWING ALL THE CODES AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.
BUT YOU ALSO SAID THIS IS A SMALL PROJECT AND WE CAN'T PROVIDE CERTAIN THINGS.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T PROVIDE THINGS.
I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING CONSTRUCTION AND I'VE SEEN SMALL PROJECTS BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMITMENTS TO CHILDREN AND PLAYGROUNDS AND THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD, YOU KNOW, I GUESS PROMOTE COMMUNITY GATHERING.
AND SO I GUESS IT'S JUST THAT RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY WHEN YOU SAY WE CAN'T PROVIDE BECAUSE IT'S A CHOICE YOU CAN PROVIDE.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS I UNDERSTAND PERHAPS MAYBE WERE CHECKING ALL OF THE BOXES AND MEETING THE BARE MINIMUMS, BUT I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN MORE AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO CARRIE, DO WE SEE THIS PROJECT AGAIN AFTER TONIGHT? UM, NO.
WALK ME THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN AFTER TONIGHT.
SO THIS IS JUST A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION.
AND SO IT DOES NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL UNLESS IT GETS APPEALED.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THIS, IF IT DOESN'T GET APPEALED, IT WOULD GO TO BUILDING PERMITS WHERE THEY WOULD SUBMIT THEIR FULL PLANS.
AND OUR BUILDING, OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD THEN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT HOW THE BUILDINGS ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED.
OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WOULD LOOK AT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE STORM WATER FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEN WE WOULD JUST VERIFY THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING MEETS THE, UM, THE APPROVED PLANS.
AND THEN ONCE THEY GET ALL OF THAT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION.
UM, UH, KINDA READING BETWEEN THE LINES, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW CONDITIONS ON SITE AND SO FORTH, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT INFORMATION, UH, ISN'T AVAILABLE OR NOR IS IT NECESSARILY OUR, UH, RIGHT.
UH, PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, THINGS SUCH AS FINAL, FINAL GEOTECHNICAL APPROACH, UH, UH, SITE GRADING PLAN FOR OVER 5,000 CUBIC YARDS OF MATERIAL, UH, A SW PLAN AND SO FORTH.
UH, I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, AND ASSUMING THAT WITH THE PHASE ONE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY, UH, LENDERS AND BANKS AND SO FORTH, AND THE ASSURANCE IS THAT IF THERE WERE NECESSARILY ISSUES HERE THAT THE PROJECT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE WHERE IT'S AT TODAY, UH, BASED ON, UH, THE OWNER'S COMMENTS AND SO FORTH.
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE PART OF A PHASE ONE PLAN, WHETHER THAT COMES OUT IN THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE DUE BEFORE THE PROJECT IS PERMITTED.
DID THAT REQUEST A QUESTION?
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM OR FOR REQUIRE FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THEY MEET ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE FROM OTHER AGENCIES.
UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS, UH, AS THIS GOES FOR INSTANCE, THROUGH THROUGH ENGINEERING WHERE CERTAIN THINGS ARE NECESSARY FOR, UH, IT IS APPROVED, UH, IS THAT INFORMATION NECESSARILY PART OF A PACKET THAT WOULD GO TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT? NO.
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SO THE ENGINEER IN HANUKAH CAN JUMP IN, BUT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL LOOK AT HOW THE DRAINAGE IS WORKING AND HOW THE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROADS ARE CONSTRUCTED.WELL, I I'M JUST SAYING FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE'S A ISSUE WITH TOP SOIL, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOP SOIL REMOVAL AND SO FORTH ON SITE, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME AS IF, AND I'M NOT SAYING THERE IS AN ISSUE, UH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE A LOGICAL THING TO EXAMINE, UH, IF YOU'RE REMOVING OR MOVING TOP SOIL ON SITE OR DOING GRADING ON SITE TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE IS IN FACT AN ISSUE OR NOT.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, CITIZENS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF AT ANY POINT IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS THAT INFORMATION, UH, BECOMES PART OF THE PUBLIC, UH, DOMAIN.
NO, THE GEO TECHNICAL REPORTS THAT WE GET ARE ABOUT SOIL STRENGTH.
AND WHAT, LIKE, HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT A BUILDING DOESN'T SINK, NOT WHAT IS IN THE SOIL.
IT, IT WOULDN'T BE PART OF A SW PLAN.
I MEAN, ANNIKA IS SHAKING HER HEAD.
UM, AND I'M NOT FULLY PREPARED IN TERMS OF REVIEWING THE PLANS.
I WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH MY IPAD AND EVERY TIME I'D LOOK FOR SOMETHING, IT WOULD, EVERYTHING WOULD GO BACK TO PAGE ONCE.
SO I WAS, WAS HAVING SOME, SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH THE PDF DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, SO WITH THE 19 UNITS AND WITH THE, I CAN'T DO THE MATH REAL QUICK, WITH, UH, THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN THE PLAN, UH, 20 PLUS, UH, 42.
SO 62 BEDROOMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLAN, IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, UH, DO WE KNOW A NUMBER OF PARKING PLACES? SO EACH UNIT BETWEEN THE GARAGES AND THE DRIVEWAY? YEAH.
SO EACH UNIT HAS A MINIMUM OF TWO PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT.
THE UNITS THAT HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE ALSO WOULD HAVE TWO ON THE DRIVEWAY.
SO SOME OF THEM WOULD HAVE FOUR PARKING SPACES.
BUT THEY ALL HAVE AT LEAST TWO.
AND AGAIN, THE REASON I'M WONDERING IS IF IN FACT, UH, THE, THE VISION THAT, UH, THERE ARE FAMILIES THAT ARE MOVING INTO THIS, IF THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UH, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS THERE? UH, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU HAVE FOUR INDIVIDUAL WORKERS WHO RENT A FOUR BEDROOM UNIT AND HAVE FOUR VEHICLES, HOW, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT PARKING FOR VISITORS AND SO FORTH, HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK IF YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE ROAD? I MEAN, THAT'S MORE OF A, IT'S NOT REALLY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WOULD BE MORE THAT HOPEFULLY THIS, SOMEONE THINKS THEY CAN'T FIT ALL THEIR CARS, THEY DON'T RENT THE UNIT.
UM, SO YEAH, THE, THE CODE REQUIREMENT IS 1.75 SPACES PER UNIT.
SO IT WOULD BE UP TO ANY UNIT BEING, HOW DO YOU DEFINE A UNIT AGAIN? UM, EACH OF THE 19.
SO NINE, WE HAVE 19 UNITS, SO MM-HMM.
AND SO THEN ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE DEVELOPER.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY PEOPLE, IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO RENT A UNIT, WOULD CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THEIR DECISION MAKING.
NOT GETTING A LOT OF ANSWERS FOR MY QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I MIGHT ASK A COUPLE OF THE SAME QUESTIONS.
SO, BUT I AM TRYING TO VISUALIZE, UM, WHO, WHO'S GOING TO DO THE MAINTENANCE, THE GARDENING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WILL YOU BE DOING THAT OR IT'LL BE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
AND SO WHERE ARE THEIR GARDENERS GONNA PARK JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY ON JORDAN ROAD OR MOST LIKELY? WELL, I HOPING AVAILABLE PUBLIC PARKING.
WELL, I'M HOPING NOT TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'D HAVE TO PARK LEGALLY.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY LEGAL PARKING ON JORDAN ROAD.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE LOW MAINTENANCE, LANDSCAPING, I MEAN OTHER ON TREE TREE TRIMMING AND WEED PULLING, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE TONS OF MAINTENANCE, LOW WATER, LOW MAINTENANCE.
AND AS CARRIE HAS SAID, THAT IT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PARK LEGALLY LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD.
THEY'D HAVE TO FIND A LOCATION THAT'S SAFE AND IF THEY HAVE TO WALK A LITTLE WAYS, THEN THAT WOULD BE WHAT THEY'D NEED TO DO.
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AND I, I SEE THAT BEING OVER IN FRONT OF SOME NEIGHBOR'S YARD OR SOMETHING.THAT'S WAS, IF IT'S A PUBLIC STREET, I'M SURE THEY WOULD PROBABLY DO THAT.
I THINK I'LL END MY QUESTIONS THERE, COLIN.
UM, ARE THERE, IS THERE ANY BIKE PARKING ON THIS PROPERTY? WE DON'T HAVE ANY SLATED AT THIS POINT.
AND THE CODE IS, IF YOU PROVIDE ANY, THEN THERE'S A RATIO, RIGHT, CARRIE, THAT'S NOT REQUIRED.
SO WHAT THEY HAD THERE IS BIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, EACH UNIT HAS A GARAGE AND SOME STORAGE.
SO THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED, THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE BIKES IN THERE YEAH.
IF THEY WERE HAVING A PARKING LOT.
UM, THERE IS, FOR SOMEONE WHO'S ON JORDAN ROAD A LOT, THERE IS A FREE PUBLIC PARKING LOT VERY CLOSE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERUTILIZED BASED ON THE CITY'S THE, THE BIG ONE UP NORTH ON JORDAN THAT I HAVE.
NO, EAST, WEST, NORTH, OR SOUTH.
SO, I'M SORRY, IS THAT THE BANK PARKING AREA? NO.
ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THIS MORNING MENTIONED THAT TO YOU.
NO, THAT'S FARTHER, THAT'S FARTHER DOWN.
UM, I I HOPE THAT YOUR LEASE, YOU CONSIDER INCENTIVIZING, UM, CARLESS OPTIONS, INCENTIVIZING BIKE COMMUTING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
NOT ONLY IS THE CITY PUTTING A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE INTO OUR BIKE ABILITY AND UH, PUBLIC TRANSIT, BUT OBVIOUSLY PARKING CAN BE A BIG CONCERN IN UPTOWN, ESPECIALLY DURING HIGH SEASON.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YOUR TENANTS WILL HOPEFULLY KNOW ABOUT.
BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IN YOUR DOCUMENTATION TO REALLY ENCOURAGE, UH, ALTERNATIVE USES OF TRANSIT FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS WE'RE CONCERNED, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT THREE BEDROOM, FOUR BEDROOM UNITS BUILT FOR FAMILIES.
YET THERE'S A LACK OF AMENITIES FOR FAMILIES.
I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT SCREAMS TO ME IS POTENTIAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL GROUPS, LIKE A BUNCH OF COUPLES COMING INTO UPTOWN AND SHORT-TERM RENTING.
UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE I READ IN THE DOCUMENT, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT IT WAS GONNA BE LEASED NO LESS THAN 30 DAYS.
SO BECAUSE THEY'RE DEVELOPING UNDERCURRENT ZONING, WE CAN'T PUT ANY REQUIREMENTS ON THERE.
UM, A DEED RESTRICTION FOR THAT? NO.
UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE THAN FOUR UNITS ON THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD NOT, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
IF THEY WENT THROUGH A SUBDIVISION TO SELL THEM INDIVIDUALLY, THEN WE COULD NOT RESTRICT THOSE UNITS FROM BEING SOLD.
BUT AS A RENTAL PRODUCT, THEY CANNOT BE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UM, CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP TO THAT? MM-HMM.
UH, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.
BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE ASKED, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A DENSITY ALLOWANCE AND THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.
AND THAT IF THAT WOULD INVOKE OUR POWERS OR AUTHORITY OR YEAH.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO INCREASE THE DENSITY, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A ZONE CHANGE OR SOME DIFFERENT ALLOWANCES.
BUT SINCE THEY HAVE THE RM TWO ZONING THAT ALLOWS THE 12 UNITS PER ACRE IN THEIR MEETING, THAT WE CAN'T PUT ANY ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
BUT AS A RENTAL PRODUCT, BECAUSE THERE, AND KURT CAN LIKE TELL ME TO BE QUIET IF I'M SAYING SOMETHING WRONG.
BUT AS A RENTAL PRODUCT, SINCE THERE'S MORE THAN FOUR ON THE PROPERTY, MM-HMM.
IF THEY CAME BACK AND DID A SUBDIVISION TO CREATE INDIVIDUAL LOTS FOR EACH ONE AND INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RESTRICT THOSE BECAUSE THEY WOULD EACH BE ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S
SO CHAIR COMMISSIONERS PERHAPS I, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT.
THE DEFINITION OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WHICH IS IMPOSED ON THE CITY BY STATE LAW IS A ONE TO FOUR, UM, DWELLING UNIT.
UM, SO IT CAN'T EXCEED FOUR DWELLING UNITS.
SO IN THIS CASE, AS ON THIS ONE PARCEL, THERE'S 19 PROPOSED UNITS.
SO AS IF RENTED OUT ON THIS ONE PARCEL, UM, IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM BEING USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL 'CAUSE IT EXCEEDS THE DEATH WHAT IS LEGALLY ALLOWED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THE STATE DIDN'T INTEND THAT, UM, DEVELOPERS COULD COME IN AND BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
AND SO, UH, IT'S LIMITED TO ONE TO FOUR, BUT IF IT WAS CONDOMINIUMIZED YES.
WHICH HAS HAP HAPPENED WITH OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
UM, THEN THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL, UH, UNITS AT THAT POINT.
SO THEY FALL WITHIN THE DEFINITION THEY COULD BECOME YES.
SO WHAT IS MAKES THIS PROJECT APPEALING, I THINK TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE COMMISSION, IS THAT YOU PROPOSED RENTAL HOUSING.
AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THAT IS OUR INTENT.
BUT BECAUSE THIS THING HAS TAKEN SO LONG, I DON'T, YOU
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MUST NOT REMEMBER I I US COMING BEFORE YOU BEFORE WE REMEMBER.AND LET ME BE CLEAR, WE CAME BEFORE YOU AND I DON'T WANT TO BRING UP PAST HISTORY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE WE WERE ENCOURAGED BY THE CITY TO DO THAT.
AND I, WELL, WE DON'T WANNA, WE DON'T NEED BRING BRING THAT UP.
WE GOT OUR CAT HANDED TO US AND I'M STILL YEAH.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA UNDERSCORE THAT IT, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS PROJECT YES.
APPEALING TO THIS COMMUNITY, APPEALING TO THE DECISION MAKERS THAT SIT ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND TO ALL OF US THAT WANNA SEE MORE OFFERINGS OF RENTAL, RENTAL UNITS.
SO IF THAT WERE TO GO SIDEWAYS, AS YOU HAVE SUGGESTED, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO LONG AND BECOMES, UM, CON UH, TURNED INTO CONDOMINIUMS, IT REALLY WILL HAVE TAKEN AWAY THE LURE AND LUSTER AND THE ATTRACTION OF WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING US TODAY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT, BUT I, AND AGAIN, IF WE DID DO THAT, WE'D HAVE TO COME IN AND GET REAPPROVED MM-HMM.
IT IS NOT MY INTENT TO GO THROUGH THIS ANYMORE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE CORRELATION BETWEEN IT? BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN SO LONG AND, UM, AN INABILITY TO MAKE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMMITMENT TO RENTAL.
NO, DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, PLEASE.
NO, I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
I'M NOT GONNA DO, GONNA DO RENTAL.
I, WE ARE FULLY ANTICIPATING OF DOING RENTAL SINCE WE GOT OUR HAT HANDED TO US LAST TIME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME HAS TRANSPIRED, BUT IF YOU READ THE NEWSPAPERS, THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
WE'RE GONNA DO RENTALS, WE GOTTA GET THIS STARTED.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE A WORRY.
WE COULDN'T, IF WE WANTED TO SELL 'EM, WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT ANOTHER APPROVAL AND I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS ANYMORE.
BUT I THINK MY SORT OF, I DON'T KNOW, DISCOMFORT IS THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE SO MUCH AMBIGUITY AROUND WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, OH, LET'S BE CLEAR.
YOU TALKED ABOUT A DOG PARK TODAY AND NOBODY KNEW THAT THERE WAS A DOG PARK ON THE PLANS.
NOBODY KNOWS WHAT DIMENSIONS ARE LIKE THERE'S AMBIGUITY ON THIS PROJECT.
AND SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND AMBIGUITY IS WE WILL MAKE THE DOG PARK AS BIG AS WE CAN.
WE HAVE TO GET ON SITE EVERY TIME WE DO A DOG, DOG PARK AND WE'VE DONE 20 OF THEM, WE MAKE 'EM AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S AN OBVIOUS THING WE'RE PUTTING UP FENCING.
DOG PARKS ARE, ARE SOMEWHAT SIMPLISTIC.
SO YOU WANT TO BLEND INTO WHAT YOU, YOU HAVE IN THE SURROUNDINGS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW TODAY NOBODY SEEMED TO EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE IMPLEMENTED ON THE PLAN.
I JUST TOOK OVER ON THIS PROJECT ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO AND I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE DOG PARK.
ART DOES NOT TYPICALLY PUT A DOG PARK ON THE PLANS AS THE CIVIL ENGINEER.
THIS WAS DONE BY THE LANDSCAPE ENGINEER ARCHITECT.
SO WHEN I SAT WITH CARRIE, WE FOUND IT ON THE PLANS, WE'RE ABLE TO SHOW YOU YES.
I READ THROUGH THE LOI AGAIN AND FOUND WHERE ALONG WITH THE BENCHES AND THE BARBECUE GRILLS AND THE FEW AMENITIES WE ARE PUTTING IN THE DOG PARK IS PART OF IT.
SO THAT EXPLAINS WHY THIS MORNING I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE DOG PARK UNTIL, UM, COMMISSIONER MARTIN BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION.
AND I'D LIKE TO SAY I HAVE AN EXPECTATION AS WELL, UM, AS A COMMISSIONER, I READ THE 223 PAGES BEFORE I WENT TO THE SITE PLAN THIS MORNING.
SO I, WE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO NO.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THAT ANSWER.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO NAIL THIS DOWN.
THIS IS IMPORTANT AND THAT'S A DETAIL THAT WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE AT A LATER TIME ONCE WE KNOW THE SPACE AND, AND WE WILL KEEP ALL OF THE SETBACKS AS DISCUSSED THIS MORNING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND, AND I'M GONNA RELATE THIS, THE DOG PARK TO AMENITIES FOR CHILDREN.
IF THIS IS A PROJECT FOR FAMILIES, FOR FAMILIES, THERE IS AVAILABILITY ON THE LOT TO PUT IN A SMALL PLAYGROUND AREA.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
WE WILL TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION, MA'AM.
OR IT COULD HAVE, UH, WE COULD CONTEMPLATE THIS IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
WE MIGHT JUST PEG THAT FOR NOW.
I'D LIKE TO GO BACK IF I CAN TO, UM, SARAH'S COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, SUSTAINABILITY ON THE PROJECT AND OF THE LAUNDRY LIST THAT SHE READ OFF.
ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE THAT YOU CAN SEE NOW AFTER CONSIDERING HER SUGGESTIONS
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THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO INTEGRATE ON YOUR PROJECT? OR ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE, SARAH, THAT WE WANNA SUGGEST THAT THEY FOLLOW UP ON? AND I'LL, I'LL PITCH THAT TO YOU FIRST.DO YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT A BIT? OH, I, I MEAN I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MUCH TO THINK ABOUT.
THERE'S A LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED IF YOU WOULD PRIORITIZE THEM.
IF YOU WERE TO SUGGEST THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE, WELL, I THINK BIKE, I THINK BIKE RACKS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION OF STORMWATER, CAPTION, REUSE, PERMEABLE PAVEMENTS, I MEAN PROPOSING AS BLACK ASPHALT IS NOT ONLY IMPERMEABLE, BUT IT ALSO CREATES A HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WATER EFFICIENT FIXTURES.
SO WHAT RAIN SENSORS ON IRRIGATION.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE DEFINITION OF YOUR SUSTAINABILITY INSTEAD OF ASPHALT ARE DRIVEWAY PAVERS, DO YOU CONSIDER THOSE SUSTAINABLE? ARE THEY PERMEABLE? DO THEY HAVE OPEN SPACE VOIDS? YEAH, THE BRICKS.
AS, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT SET IN SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT POLY SAND THAT THEN LOCKS ONCE IT'S SETTLEMENT SAND.
WE CAN ADD THAT TO OUR, OUR, SO JUST BE CLEAR.
THE DRY WES, MUCH LIKE OUR PARK PLACE PROJECT, OUR DRIVEWAYS ARE MADE OUT OF PAVERS.
AND, UM, IT IS MORE COSTLY, BUT IT'S A BETTER PRODUCT.
NOT TO BE BLUNT, NOT FOR SUSTAINABILITY, BUT IT'S A BETTER PRODUCT THAT LOOKS BETTER.
A AND IT'S IF YOU DO HAVE TO, IF THE CUSTOMER EVER, OR IF WE EVER HAVE TO GO IN, IN THE CASE OF A RENTAL AND YOU KNOW, DIG UP A WATER PIPE OR SOMETHING, IT'S EASY TO DO.
SO I CAN, I MEAN I THINK THAT CERTAINLY HELPS.
BUT OBVIOUSLY YOUR BIGGEST SURFACE AREA FOR DRIVING IS YOUR ASPHALT DRIVE.
SO NOT THE STREET BUT THE DRIVEWAYS TO THE HOUSES.
I WILL COMMIT TO USE PAVERS 'CAUSE FRANKLY WE WERE GONNA DO THAT.
BIKE RACKS, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST BE BLUNT.
IF YOU WANT ME TO PUT BIKE RACKS IN, I'LL PUT BIKE RACKS IN.
NOBODY PUTS BIKES ON A BIKE RACK ANYMORE WITH THE COST OF THESE BIKES.
WE DO, UH, CONDO CONDOMINIUM PROJECTS IN DOWNTOWN FLAGSTAFF.
WE HAVE BIKE RACKS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
PEOPLE TAKE THEIR BIKES UP IN THE ELEVATOR AND PUT 'EM IN THEIR UNITS.
'CAUSE THESE BIKES ARE SO EXPENSIVE.
WELL I WAS THINKING MORE ALONG THE LINE MAYBE THAT CALI WAS THAT UM, VISITORS AND FRIENDS AND FAMILIES AND THEIR KIDS, YOU KNOW, MY BIKE THERE.
OUR EXPERIENCE RATHER THAN DRIVE THERE.
OUR EXPERIENCE FROM OUR IS THAT YOUR THOUGHT?
IT'S JUST AN ISSUE THAT OUR, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE.
OUR CUSTOMERS, UH, OUR RENTERS DON'T USE OUTSIDE BIKE RACKS 'CAUSE THEY GOT A $2,500 BIKE THAT WON'T BE THERE IN THE MORNING.
EVEN THOUGH THEY PROBABLY WON'T GET USED
THAT'S, YOU SAID THERE WAS NO VISITOR PARKING.
SO IF I'M HAVING A PARTY, I'VE GOT TWO CARS IN MY GARAGE AND I CAN PARK TWO ON SITE.
WHERE, WHERE DO THE REST OF MY VISITORS AND GUESTS, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA BE PARKING ON HARRIS COURT? COMMISS STREET COMMISSIONER KELLY SAID THERE'S A PUBLIC PARKING AREA CLOSE BY.
SO THEY WON'T BE, THEY WON'T BE PARKING CONTROL WHERE SOMEONE WOULD PARK THEIR CAR IS I UNDERSTAND.
AND, AND I WOULD THINK THAT ENFORCEMENT, POLICE ENFORCEMENT WOULD KEEP EVERYTHING SAFE.
I, IF THEY HAVE VISITORS, THEY'LL BE PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY.
SO I, I MEAN, SO THEY COULD HAVE TWO VISITORS IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS, BUT I'M ASKING ABOUT WHERE DOES THE EXCESS PARKING, WHERE WILL THAT BE? WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT WILL FLOW TO? WILL IT FLOW OFFSITE? I I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT THERE WILL BE EXCESS PARKING.
I WOULD THINK PUBLIC STREETS, WHEREVER IT'S ALLOWED, PEOPLE WILL PARK THERE.
UM, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE SIGNAGE FOR THE COMPLEX ITSELF.
DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY? THE MONUMENT AT THE ENTRY? WE DIDN'T, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO BLEND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, OKAY, WELL THE ORCHARDS HAS A SIGN THAT SAYS THE ORCHARDS AND IF WE DID SOMETHING IT WOULD BE A VERY SHORT YEAH.
LOW LEVEL, LOW HEIGHT MONUMENT.
AND SO ARE THESE UNITS GOING TO BE SEPARATELY ADDRESSED? ARE THEY GONNA BE NUMBER 1, 2, 3, 4 18 90? SO GENERALLY, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL ON ONE LOT, THE
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ADDRESSING STANDARDS WOULD BE ONE ADDRESS AND THEN UNIT NUMBERS.AND IF THEY BECOME CONDO WISE, THEN THAT WOULD CHANGE.
AND THEY COULD GET NEW ADDRESSES.
BUT THAT THERE'S STANDARDS THROUGH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OF HOW ADDRESSING HAPPENS.
AND SO THEY'LL HAVE TO, THEY'LL WORK WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS MM-HMM.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY WANTS.
DOESN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO DONATE THE MONEY TO LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT? WELL, IT, IT IS JUST A QUESTION.
IF YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE ART IN THE PROJECT VIS-A-VIS THE CONTRIBUTION.
NO, I, IT'S, TO US IT'S SIMPLER RATHER THAN TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ART TO PUT IN AND WHAT'S GONNA GET IMPROVED AND WHAT'S NOT GONNA GET APPROVED TO JUST PAY THE MONEY.
OH, WE'RE MUCH BETTER OFF TO LET YOU ALL MAKE THAT DECISION.
WHATEVER WE PUT UP WOULD NOT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULDN'T LIKE IT.
AND SOME WOULD WANT, AND IT'S THIS WAY, IT'S THE CITY CAN DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT.
THE CALCULATION IS IT'S $22,800.
AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE THE ART AND THE ROUNDABOUTS PROJECTS THAT NEED FUNDING.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT MONEY.
CHARLOTTE JUST CALCULATED IT'D BE 22,000.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT DOWN HERE? WILL, UH, NO, I'LL JUST KEEP THAT TO MYSELF.
UM, WE, I WILL BE DEPLETED OF ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS.
THEN I'LL, UM, OPEN THIS, UH, TO A PUBLIC FORUM, PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, I HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS HERE.
IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, HASN'T YET FILLED ONE OUT, YOU CAN GO OVER TO THE DONNA AND, UH, DO.
UH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
COME UP TO THE LECTERN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE.
DO WE HAVE THE BOX OR, OH, THERE IT IS.
UH, FIRST UP IS LARRY PEC, FOLLOWED BY STEVEN JAMES GARNER.
I LIVE AT SIX 90 QUAIL TAIL TRAIL.
AND IT'S, WHICH IS JUST UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER, JUST OFF THE MAP THERE WITH MY WIFE AND JOYCE.
UH, WE'VE LIVED IN UPTOWN SEDONA FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.
UM, I ALSO HAVE BEEN A LICENSED ENGINEER ALMOST 50 YEARS HERE IN WISCONSIN, IN ILLINOIS.
AND I'D LIKE TO TALK, UH, ABOUT A COUPLE SUBJECTS.
ONE OF 'EM BEING, UM, THE SOIL THERE.
UH, THIS WAS A, THE JORDANS HAD APPLE ORCHARDS AND BUGS LIKED TO EAT APPLES.
SO I WAS LOOKING UP WHAT THEY, THEY DID WAY BACK THEN AND THEY USED KIND OF A, A, A VERY TOXIC CHEMICAL TO KILL THE BUGS ON THE APPLE TREES.
AND IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THIS SITE IS CONTAMINATED BY SOME, UH, SOURCE OF THAT, UH, BUG POISON THAT WAS USED WAY BACK WHEN.
SO I, MY RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO YOU AND I GUESS FURTHER UP THE LADDER ON PERMITS AND CONSOLE AND SO FORTH, IS THAT THEY BE REQUIRED TO DO SOME TESTING.
I TALK ABOUT MIRAMONT TO BE REQUIRED TO DO SOME SOIL TESTING OUT THERE AND REPORT WHAT THEY FIND AND THEN REMEDIATE IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, UH, FOUND.
UM, THE SECOND THING I LIKE TO MENTION, UH, IS, IS ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENTS.
UM, AND, UH, THEY'RE BASICALLY A RECORDS OBSERVATION.
YOU FIND ALL THE RECORDS ABOUT PARTICULAR SITE AND YOU WALK THE SITE AND LOOK FOR LEAKY CHEMICAL BARRELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S THE EXTENT OF A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT.
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IT IS FAIRLY SIMPLE.UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, UH, THIS MAP DOESN'T SHOW THAT, UH, HERE, UH, THAT QUAIL TAIL TRAIL IS BEING IMPROVED.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF IT IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THERE.
UM, THAT'S FOR THE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER TO CLARIFY, BUT THIS PLAN DOESN'T REALLY, UH, SHOW IT TOO MUCH.
AFTER, UH, MR. GARNEY, UH, SHIRLEY TULLEY AND DAVID MEYERS.
HELLO, MY NAME'S STEVEN JAMES CAREY.
I LIVE AT, UH, 2 29 WILSON CANYON ROAD.
UH, LARRY STOLE ALL MY THUNDER, BUT HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT THIS STUFF THAN I DO.
UM, IT'S NO SECRET THAT THIS WAS AN APPLE ORCHARD BACK IN THE DAY.
AND AS YOU GUYS WALKED IN THAT SITE TODAY, YOU DIDN'T SEE ONE LIVING TREE THERE ACROSS THE ROAD.
UM, WHAT THE SUBDIVISION IS BEAUTIFUL TREES.
THE, THE REASON, UH, THAT THIS HAPPENED WAS THE CHEMICALS THAT LARRY SPEAKS OF WHEN THE ORCHARDS WERE THERE WHEN 1915 TO 1973 WHERE ARSENIC, COPPER LEAD AND SULFUR.
WHEN YOU START KICKING UP DUST AND IT GOES IN THE AIR, IT'S GONNA GO IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S ALSO GONNA AFFECT THEIR WORKERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT POTENTIALLY LIVE THERE.
UH, AND MAYBE LIKE SOME OTHER CONCERNS, UH, OTHER THAN SAFETY IS, UH, THAT WE COULD CONSIDER IS THE LIGHTING.
WHAT KIND OF LIGHTING IS THIS PLACE GOING TO ADMIT THAT THAT PLACE IS BEAUTIFUL AND DARK AT NIGHT? YOU CAN WALK ACROSS MY STREET INTO THAT FIELD AND YOU CAN SEE THE UNIVERSE, THE SKY LIT UP WITH THE MOON.
NOW I KNOW THAT SHOULDN'T GET IN, GET IN THE WAY, EVERYBODY TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, BUT IT'S A DARK CITY, YOU KNOW, AND LET'S TRY AND KEEP IT THAT WAY.
ALSO, A LOT OF TRAFFIC WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT COMING DOWN QUAIL TAIL AND KICKING UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF MOM'S HOUSE AND GOING DOWN SUNSET THERE.
WE'RE JUST KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT A LOT OF THAT STUFF TOO.
UH, AND THAT, AND THAT'S ALL JUST THE GENERAL CONCERN OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
LIKE IT'S, IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY UP THERE.
EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY UP THERE.
YOU'RE AT THE END OF THE LINE THERE.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LAND LEFT.
IT'S A, IT IS KIND OF A, A SPECIAL SPOT TO EVERYBODY.
SHIRLEY T UM, AND THEN DAVID MEYERS.
CAN YOU SWING THE MIC AROUND LUCAS? LUCAS WILCOXON WAS MY NEPHEW.
HIS POLICE OFFICER RETIRED HERE NOW.
SO OUR WILCOX FAMILY GOT SHORTENED BECAUSE JOE WILCOXON HAD A SON, MY BROTHER DON.
AND WHEN THEY WEREN'T STANDING TOGETHER, HE BECAME JOE WILCOX.
ANYWAY, SO, UM, I'M HERE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN APARTMENT.
SHIRLEY, JUST STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
MY NAME'S UH, SHIRLEY WILCOX T AND UH, REASON WHY I'M HERE IS OUR FAMILY OWNS THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CROSSED FROM THE JORDAN LOSS PROJECT.
IT'S, THE ADDRESS IS THREE TWO OH NAVA HOPI, ROADIN ROADIN JORDAN.
UM, IT ONCE WAS A HOME AND UH, WE REMODELED IT INTO A FOURPLEX.
SO WHAT WE WANNA SAY IS WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THE NEED FOR PLACES FOR PEOPLE AND OR EMPLOYEES TO LIVE HERE.
UM, WHEN WE MOVED HERE IN PHOENIX IN 1980, WE OPENED OVER THE YEARS SIX BUSINESSES IN THE UPTOWN AREA.
SO AGAIN, WE ARE AWARE OF THE NEED OF HOUSING FOR EVERYONE HERE.
SO WE WANNA SAY THAT WE DO NOT OPPOSE THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR HOUSING.
UM, WE DO HAVE ONE CONCERN, WHICH IS WHY THEY WANTED ME TO COME TONIGHT.
BEING RIGHT ACROSS THAT AREA, IT'S BEEN AN EMPTY LOT.
SO PEOPLE THAT MAYBE DON'T DRIVE IT
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MUCH DON'T REALLY SEE ALL THE SEMI TRUCKS WITH LONG TRAILERS THAT TURN AROUND THE AREA.TOUR BUSES THAT GET DOWN THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND A SPOT IN THE, USED TO BE VALLEY NATIONAL BANK, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE SPOTS FOR BUSES THERE.
THEY'RE TAKEN BY CARS, TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE SIGNAGE THERE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, A TICKET, IF YOU'RE NOT A LARGE LONG VEHICLE, DON'T PARK HERE.
WE NEED IT OPEN OUR MAPS, YOU KNOW, VIA PAMPHLETS, UH, AND THE SIGNAGE DIRECT THESE PEOPLE'S, THESE PEOPLE WITH THESE VEHICLES TO THIS AREA.
WELL, WHEN THEY'RE STUCK THEY COME UP JORDAN AND THEY'RE TURNING AROUND THAT SPOT.
MY LIVING ROOM WINDOW LOOKS RIGHT OVER THAT PROPERTY LOT.
AND YES, I ENJOY MY VIEW IN THE SUNSET FROM THERE SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT POSSIBLY BLOCKING.
UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, BECAUSE OF THOSE LONGER VEHICLES WHERE THE ROUNDABOUTS ARE, IF THEY CAN MAYBE PUT A VEHICLE SIZE, LENGTH LIMIT, SIMILAR TO IF THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GO UP OAK CREEK CANYON, THEY SAY NOTHING LONGER THAN THIS CAN TURN DOWN THIS ROAD.
IT MAY ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS. UM, AND THE OTHER ONE, KIND OF LIKE OFF THE, THE SUBJECT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
ARE WE LIMITED ON TIME?
THE ROUNDABOUTS ARE SMALL AND IT'S TIGHT TURNING.
WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS IN, IN THAT AREA ALL THE TIME.
WE REALLY NEED, REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS STOPPING THE PEDESTRIANS WALKING THROUGH THESE ROUNDABOUTS.
DAVID MYERS, YOU AND, UH, FOLLOWED BY MONICA BILLS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS.
UH, A LOT OF MY COMMENTS ARE, UH, ABOUT ISSUES RAISED BY, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND ALSO SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS.
SO MY FIRST ONE IS ABOUT THE POTENTIALLY WORRISOME AND QUESTIONABLE SOIL QUALITY.
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID, SOME OF MY SPECIFICS ARE, UM, THE FAILURE TO SHARE THE REPORT LEADS ONE TO QUESTION WHAT'S IN THE REPORT.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A, A DEEPER ANALYSIS OF THE SOIL VISUAL EVIDENCE OF POSSIBLE CONTAMINATION IS STRAIGHTFORWARD AND STOCK STARK BASED ON A COMPARISON BETWEEN WHAT GROWS ON THE TOWNHOMES LOT AND WHAT GROWS ON THE OTHER MI MONTE LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF QUAIL TAIL.
THE LADDER BEING A TYPICALLY VERDANT HIGH DESERT ASSORTMENT OF JUNIPER, BUSHES, SHRUBS, AND CACTI ON THE TOWN HOME.
LOT BUSHES AND SHRUBS DON'T THRIVE AS THEY DO ON THE JORDAN ESTATES PROPERTY AND JUVENILE TREES FALL OVER.
THERE ARE ALMOST NO JUNIPER BUSHES ON THE TOWN HOMES AND SEVERAL ON THE ESTATES LOT.
THE PRICKLY PAIR PLANTS ON THE NORTH LOT ARE MUCH LARGER AND MORE NUMEROUS THAN ON THE TOWNHOMES LOT.
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ON BEHALF OF THE WELFARE OF NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING MYSELF.
THOSE WORKING ON THE PROJECT AND THOSE LIVING IN THE PROJECT.
ANOTHER ISSUE IS THE MINIMUM RENTALS ARE AN INVITATION TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THE EUPHEMISTIC 30 DAY VISITING NURSE REFERENCED IN THE PROPOSAL MAY BE A FICTION.
MOST VISITING NURSE CONTRACTS ARE AT LEAST 60 DAYS IN THE MEDIAN IS 90 DAYS.
THAT ASIDE, WHAT'S ANY 30 DAY RENTER TO DO, BUT HAVE SOME FURNISHING COMPANY LIKE RENTA CENTER, DELIVERING, THEN PICK UP FURNITURE.
A PERSON WITH SUFFICIENT MEANS CAN AFFORD TO ADD THIS COST TO A RENTAL, EVEN IF THEY CHOOSE TO OCCUPY THE UNIT FOR ONE OR TWO WEEKS.
BY PLACING A MINIMUM OF SIX MONTHS FOR LEASES IN THE PROPERTY BYLAWS, MIRA MONTE CAN DEMONSTRATE ITS COMMITMENT NOT TO TOLERATE AND SUPPORT SHORT TERM RENTALS.
ROLLING TRASH RECEPTACLES FOR INDIVIDUAL UNITS ARE AN INVITATION FOR JAVELINA SCAVENGING, AS WE KNOW.
UH, DRIVING AROUND TOWN ON MONDAY MORNING, THERE'S ALWAYS A LEARNING CURVE FOR SECURING TRASH LIDS OF CONTAINERS LEFT AT THE CURB THE NIGHT BEFORE PICKUP.
AND SOME GUILTY, EVEN FORGET ON OCCASION TO SECURE THE LIDS.
A TRUCK WILL SPEND LONGER AND MAKE MUCH MORE NOISE DEALING WITH 19 TRASH RECEPTACLES THAN, UH, EMPTYING A SHARED FIVE BY SIX FOOT UNIT FOR ALL TRASH.
AND I'M GONNA PASS MY TIME ONTO MONICA BILLS, WHO'S GOING TO THANK YOU? YES, I AM MONICA BILLS, AND WE RESIDE AT 5 9 5 SUNSET
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LANE, UH, IN SEDONA, WHICH IS THE CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY.AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'M GOING TO MISS THE QUAIL THAT COME TO VISIT MY YARD.
TRAFFIC IS THE FOURTH ISSUE THAT TRULY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, AGAIN, LIVING IN THE TIGHT LITTLE COMMUNITY WHERE WE'RE AT, WE ACCESS OUR HOME VERY FREQUENTLY FROM JORDAN TO HILLSIDE TO SUNSET LANE, AND AT THE CORNER OF JORDAN AND HILLSIDE IS LA VIDA APARTMENTS.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WITH WHAT DREAD I REACH THE INTERSECTION THERE BECAUSE PARKING, THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE ARE SO BACKED UP.
THEY'RE BACKED RIGHT INTO, I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, A FOOT OF THE STREET ITSELF.
AND SO I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW AFRAID I'VE BEEN THAT I'M GOING TO BE EITHER HIT THIS WAY OR THIS WAY TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION.
SO WE TRULY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THESE UNITS AND, UH, WHAT IS IT? 54 BEDROOMS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS A STATEMENT THAT WE ARE HOPING THAT THERE WILL BE FAMILIES THERE.
UM, BUT BEING FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SEDONA, MOST OF THE TIMES IT IS TWO PEOPLE OR THE APARTMENTS ARE SHARED BY WORKERS IN THE AREA, AND EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE A VEHICLE.
AND SO TRAFFIC IS TRULY AN ISSUE.
UH, PARKING, MAKING IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MUSICAL CAR, UH, BACKING OUT AND TRAINING POSITIONS EVERY DAY FOR WORKERS TO GET TO THEIR JOBS.
UH, SO IT REALLY HASN'T BEEN, UM, ADDRESSED AS TO HOW THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO IMPACT OUR LITTLE TINY COMMUNITY THERE.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO PROHIBIT EGRESS VIA QUAIL TAIL TO WILSTON CANYON, EXCEPT FOR QUAIL TAIL.
RESIDENTS AS WILTON CANYON, SUNSET LANE, AND HILLSIDE ARE EVEN LESS ADEQUATE FOR HEAVIER TRAFFIC THAN VAN DEEN OR SMITH, BECAUSE OF COURSE, WE'RE EXPECTING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO QUICKLY DECIDE, OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH VANEEN OR SMITH IN ORDER TO GET OUT WHERE WE NEED TO GO, OR TO THE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT UNDER CONSTRUCTION OFF OF
SO, YES, I, I AM PROPOSING THAT THERE BE FEWER BEDROOMS, FEWER PARKING AREAS.
I MEAN, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE PARKING AREAS, VISITING, PARKING, THAT IT TO US IS TRULY AN ISSUE.
YES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE VISITORS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
MARK TENNER BOOK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DEB, UH, SHEHAN.
I LIVE IN UPTOWN AND I'VE TRIED TO BE POSITIVE, BUT I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.
ONE, ON PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS.
THEY'RE TYPICALLY ONLY BASED ON RECORD SEARCH AND A VISUAL SEARCH OF THE PROPERTY.
SOIL SAMPLES THAT WERE DONE THERE WERE DONE FOR GEOTECHNICAL.
PHASE TWO TYPICALLY IS A COMPOSITE SET OF SAMPLES TO SEE IF THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE OF SOIL CONTAMINATION.
PHASE THREE IS IF THAT SHOWS IN PHASE TWO, YOU DO MORE DETAILED SAMPLING TO SEE WHAT MIGHT BE REMOVED.
SO MY, UH, POSITIVE COMMENTS ARE, UH, THE EXISTING QUAIL TAIL TRAIL, UH, RIGHT AWAY DOESN'T SHOW CURBS IN THE CURRENT, UH, DRAWING.
AND MY, UH, UH, FEAR IS THAT BECOMES, UH, AN INFORMAL, UH, PARKING AREA.
AND THE OTHER THING IS IT DOESN'T SHOW PAVING OF THE COMPLETE QUAIL TAIL TRAIL RIGHT AWAY.
AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DRAWINGS INCLUDE THAT.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NO PARKING, UH, SHOWN ON THE HARRIS COURT UP INTO THE, UH, JORDAN ESTATES AREA TO PREVENT, AGAIN, VISITOR PARKING AND OTHER PARKING FROM KIND OF MIGRATING TO THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS THE, UH, SURVEY DRAWINGS DON'T SEEM TO SHOW THE HISTORIC PIPELINE THAT CAME FROM OAK CREEK UP TO, UH, THE ORCHARDS.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, UH, AT LEAST INDICATED ON THE, ON THE SURVEY DRAWINGS AND GIVEN
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TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SOCIETY MAYBE DISPLAYED.UH, I AGREE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL TRASH CONTAINERS ARE PROBABLY A RECIPE FOR DISASTER GIVEN THE HALINA POPULATION IN THE AREA.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, THE FACT THAT 30 DAY RENTALS COULD BE, OR 90 DAY RENTALS COULD BE SUBLET AS SHORT AS INFORMAL SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UH, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THE RENTAL AGREEMENTS ARE VERY CLEAR, UH, THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED.
UH, THE OTHER, UH, QUESTION THAT I HAD ABOUT THE CONTROL, THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR TO ANOTHER FOR ANOTHER, UH, 18 MONTHS OR SO.
SO MY CONCERN, UH, FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON QUAIL TAIL TRAIL IS JUST ACCESSIBILITY, MAKING SURE THAT THE LAY DOWN AREA IS, UH, MOVED TO ONE SIDE AND THAT WE HAVE ACCESS AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE ACCESS UP AND DOWN.
ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THERE'S A FOUR INCH WATER MAIN THAT GOES UP QUAIL TAIL, AND IT CROSS, IT'S GONNA BE CROSSED BY AN EIGHT INCH WATER MAIN.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BE INTERCONNECTED JUST FOR REDUNDANCY PURPOSES AND ALSO HIGHER PRESSURE, UH, IN OTHER, FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE ON COIL TAIL.
AND ALSO, UH, I THINK I HEARD THAT THE HVAC UNITS WOULD BE PLACED ON THE GROUND.
MY CONCERN REMAINS WHERE ARE THE, UH, MAINTENANCE STAFF, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE GROUNDS? WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK WHILE THEY'RE ACCESSING USE UNITS? UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I LIVE AT 1 8 9 WILSON CANYON ROAD.
AND I WAS HOPING TO BE ABLE TO MAYBE ADDRESS DIRECTLY, BUT IS THAT NOT ALLOWED? YOU CAN ADDRESS US.
I WOULD LIKE, AND, AND THE APPLICANT DEVELOPER WILL HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.
I, I WOULD LIKE A REALISTIC PROJECTED TIMEFRAME.
I KNOW IT'S AN UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW, BUT FROM THE TIME THE PROJECT IS EITHER DISAPPROVED OR APPROVED, UM, I KNOW THAT I HAVE SEEN SO MANY, I'D REALLY LOVE TO KNOW HOW MANY INCOMPLETE PROJECTS MARYMONT IS INVOLVED IN IN NORTHERN ARIZONA RIGHT NOW.
UM, TIMEFRAME IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
SINCE IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS ME, IT'S LIKE I'M NEXT DOOR.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK A REALISTIC QUESTION TO THEM ABOUT WHAT, WHAT GIVES YOU THE GREATER PROFIT RENTING OUT THESE PROPERTIES OR SELLING THEM OUTRIGHT? WHAT'S THEIR BIGGEST RETURN ON INVESTMENT? BECAUSE I SORT OF HAD THE SENSE THAT, UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE CYA SCENARIO GOING ON WITH, OH, WELL WE STARTED THIS PROJECT.
WE STARTED THIS PROJECT UNDER THE GUISE OF AFFORDABLE WORK HOUSING FOR THE CITY.
UM, I SEE INCOMPLETE PROJECTS IN FLAGSTAFF.
I SEE INCOMPLETE PROJECTS OUT BY THE HIGH SCHOOL.
I I JUST DON'T WANNA BE LIVING IN A CONSTRUCTION ZONE FOR YEARS.
UM, SO THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE BECAUSE THE SUPPLY CHAIN RIGHT NOW AND STAFFING PROBLEMS IS A LOT OF MY CONCERN AS WELL.
THEY CAN'T FIND THE WORKERS, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE SUPPLIES.
AND THERE EVERYTHING SITS IN THAT BEAUTIFUL VIEW CORRIDOR.
OH, WILSON CANYON ROAD ACCESS.
I MISSED WHETHER IT WAS ONE GARAGE, ONE CAR GARAGE, OR TWO CAR GARAGE OR COMBINATION OF BOTH.
COMBINATION BASED ON THE UNIT.
WELL, WE'RE TALKING THREE AND FOUR BEDROOMS, SO, UM, COULD BE THREE OR FOUR CARS BELONGING TO EACH UNIT.
AND I THOUGHT THEY WEREN'T GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO WILSON CANYON ROAD IN THE BE IN THE FIRST PHASE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME SORT OF BARRIER THERE, BECAUSE I ENVISION ALL THIS PARKING HAPPENING ON WILSON CANYON ROAD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO WE WILL, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.
CARRIE, I'VE MADE A LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP.
I'M SURE THERE'S SOME OF THOSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO.
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AND OVERALL I'D LIKE TO SAY, BECAUSE OF THIS GREAT CONCERN ABOUT THE SOILS, I'D LIKE TO HEAR HOW WE MIGHT, UM, ENABLE THE APPLICANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND PROVIDE THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT WOULD, UM, QUELL THE FEARS THAT WE CLEARLY HEARD TONIGHT.AND THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
I KNOW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
UM, BUT WITH THAT ASKED IS, IS WOULD A PHASE TWO, IS THAT VOLUNTARY? AGAIN, WE DON'T REQUIRE A PHASE ONE OR A PHASE TWO LIKE THEY WERE SAYING EARLIER.
I'LL, I'LL BE LOOKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT OR HIS ATTORNEY.
UM, REGARDING COIL TAIL TRAIL, THAT IS A PRIVATE ROAD AS YOU SEE HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL BE CROSSING IT TO GET TO THE ESTATE'S PROPERTY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S NOT PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AT THIS INTERSECTION, THERE'S, UM, ANY, ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THEY WOULD DO WOULD BE VOLUNTARY TO THAT ROAD.
I MEAN, SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE HERE THEY HAVE THE SIDEWALK KIND OF WRAPPING AROUND THE CORNER TO HERE.
BUT ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, UM, WOULD BE AT THE APPLICANT'S DISCRETION.
SO THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE PAVED AND THEN IT WOULD STOP AGAIN INTO THE QUAIL, WHAT'S EXISTING.
UM, THE LIGHTING, THEY'LL, THEY ARE AT ABOUT HALF OF THEIR LOUD LUMEN COUNT, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
UM, AND THE WARMER LIGHT COLOR, SO THEIR LIGHTING PLAN IS FULLY COMPLIANT WITH OUR DARK SKY REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT SOME SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING REGARDING THE, THE TRUCKS OR SOMETHING THAT HAVE BEEN USING THE SITE AS A TURNAROUND.
WE'LL WORK WITH OUR RIGHT OF WAY PEOPLE AND SEE YEAH.
UM, AND WE CANNOT REQUIRE A DUMPSTER VERSUS A TRASH CAN.
BUT IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THE APPLICANT WANTED TO DO, RIGHT, IT WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF ENCLOSURE.
BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T DICTATE WHICH DIRECTION THEY CHOOSE TO GO FOR THAT.
SO WE COULD, WE COULD EXPLORE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, THERE WERE SOME, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, I BELIEVE THEN THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IN HANUKAH CAN JUMP IN IF SHE WANTS TO.
BUT, UM, I BELIEVE WE ASSUMED THAT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC FROM HERE WOULD BE BACKING OUT INTO HARRIS COURT AND THEN, UM, EXITING ONTO JORDAN ROAD, WE DID NOT, BASED ON KIND OF THE STREET LAYOUT AND GRID, WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE THE OTHER SIDE STREETS BEING USED, UM, FOR ACCESS TO AND FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN I KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING ON THE ROADS.
THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PAVEMENT THERE IF IT, IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE PROCESSES WHERE WE CAN, UM, SIGN THINGS FOR NO PARKING AND THAT SORT OF THING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING THE REQUIRED ROAD WIDTHS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT THAT'S, UM, A, WE'VE DONE THAT IN, IN MULTIPLE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.
UM, UM, AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME, UM, AGAIN, THE ACTUAL TIMEFRAME, THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THEY, WE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY DICTATE THAT OTHER THAN ONCE THEY, THEY HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMIT, THEY HAVE TWO YEARS TO GET THEIR PERMIT.
THEY'VE INDICATED THAT THEY'RE HOPING TO GET STARTED A LITTLE FASTER THAN THAT, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN AN ACTIVE PERMIT.
SO ONGOING INSPECTIONS AND MM-HMM.
UM, AND YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.
BUT IF I MISS SOMETHING OR IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO, TO ADD ANYTHING IN, WE LOOK LIKE WE HAD A CHANGE IN FACE UP HERE, SO I'LL LET OUR NEW POST PERSON INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND SAY ANYTHING ELSE HE WANTS TO SAY.
SO, SO MY NAME'S WHITNEY CUNNINGHAM.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH ASPY WATKINS AND DIESEL.
UH, WE ARE ATTORNEYS WORKING WITH MIR MONTE ON THIS PROJECT, AS WITH OTHER PROJECTS.
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AND, AND I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE A STATEMENT, BUT I, BUT I DO WANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS.I THINK THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THING IS A REAL, I MEAN, I, I HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW VALID IT IS.
I ASSUME THE, THE ORCHARD WAS PROBABLY BIGGER AT ONE POINT THAN THAT LOT THAT'S OUT THERE AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS DEVELOPED AROUND IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN, AN EXTRA BURDEN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PLACE ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, BUT I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS IF THIS IS BUILT FOR FAMILIES AND KIDS ARE GONNA BE RUNNING AROUND AND EATING DIRT, WOULDN'T YOU WANNA KNOW? I MEAN, DOES IT, DOESN'T IT SEEM LIKE THE NEXT RIGHT THING TO DO IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE MOST PEOPLE INVOLVED WOULD BE, WOULDN'T SHE WANNA KNOW? MM-HMM.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER
BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, A CONCERN AND SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AND BE ENGAGED AND TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
WOULD YOUR CLIENT, UM, BE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT? UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER LEVIN COMMISSIONER WILL THE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD IN THE LAST APPLICATION BY MIR MONTE ON THIS PROJECT.
AT THAT TIME, MI MONTE WAS PROPOSING AN 84 UNIT, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND, AND THESE CONCERNS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY WERE BROUGHT FORWARD.
THEY WERE EVALUATED AT THAT TIME.
WE COULDN'T FIND GOOD SCIENCE, UH, TO SUBSTANTIATE THOSE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY MIRAMONT WANTS TO BUILD A SAFE PROJECT.
AND AS MR. KIMBERLY POINTED OUT, THERE IS ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THAT ARE DONE IN SUPPORT OF, UM, BANK FINANCING FOR PURPOSES OF THIS HEARING.
WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE'VE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES, EVERY REGULATORY AND CODE REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY IMPOSES FOR US TO PASS THIS THRESHOLD TONIGHT.
UM, I THINK I'D BE HESITANT TO COMMIT TO, UH, ADVISING MY CLIENT TO ACCEPT, UH, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY IMPOSED MM-HMM.
UM, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
WE DO DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYOR MONTE HAS MADE A REPUTATION BUILDING QUALITY AND SAFE, UH, COMMUNITIES.
AND, AND THIS WILL BE ONE OF THEM.
WELL, I CAN APPRECIATE, UM, THAT YOU'VE CHECKED OFF ALL THE BOXES.
I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS A, A GOOD NEIGHBOR EXTENSION OF YOUR ARM TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS EXPRESSED SO, SO MUCH CONCERN ABOUT THIS.
AND I THINK, UH, SARAH HAS RAISED SOME ADDITIONAL AND GOOD POINTS THAT IF YOU ARE BUILDING FOR FAMILIES AND THERE ARE GONNA BE CHILDREN THERE, YOU WOULD WANT THE VERY BEST POSSIBLE, UH, INFORMATION.
AND IF THAT MEANS GOING BEYOND THAT PHASE ONE, WHICH WE CAN'T DICTATE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THAT'S WHY I'M CHARACTERIZING IT AS BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU CON SERIOUSLY CONSIDER IT WHAT, WHAT WHATEVER IT WOULD TAKE TO ASSUAGE THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT ARE, ARE HEARTFELT.
AND I'M NOT DISMISSIVE OF THEM AT ALL.
I I DO THINK THAT, UM, THERE, THERE, THERE MAY NOT BE AN INVESTIGATION THAT MIRAMONT COULD UNDERTAKE THAT WOULD SATISFY SOME OF THE VIEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD.
WHAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO IS SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW.
ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, COLLIE NO COMMENTS.
UM, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE THOROUGH PACKET.
WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THOROUGH PACKETS, AND I LOVE WHEN WE DO, UM, A LOT OF PAGES, BUT THOROUGH, UH, ULTIMATELY, UM, I HAVE A LOT OF EMPATHY FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND OUR CONCERNS HERE ON THE COMMISSION.
UM, BUT I'M OF THE OPINION THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT MEETS ALL OF OUR EXPECTED CODES.
UM, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING.
YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR HEIGHT, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR COLOR, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR COVERAGE, WHICH WE ACTUALLY DON'T GET VERY OFTEN, UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT AREN'T ASKING FOR SOMETHING.
SO IS THIS THE MOST INSPIRED, UM, PROJECT THAT I'VE EVER SEEN? NO.
UM, I REMEMBER OUR PREVIOUS MEETING VERY, VERY WELL.
UM, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THREE-ISH YEARS AGO, UH, I WAS IN FAVOR OF THE 84 UNITS IF, IF MEMORY SERVES ME.
BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS WISH FOR THE MOST INSPIRED DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY DEVELOPING IN
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SEDONA IS HARD NO MATTER WHAT.AND YOU GUYS HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE PACKET LOOKS REALLY GOOD.
UM, SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT PACKET.
WELL, I'LL JUST MAKE THIS ONE COMMENT THAT, UM, I THINK YOU DID CHECK ALL THE BOXES.
UM, AND IN MY OPINION, WE NEED SOME MORE BOXES.
I, SO I WANNA BACKTRACK THEN A LITTLE BIT AND SEE IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS UP HERE ON SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DID SUGGEST.
COULD I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? OKAY.
UM, VISITOR PARKING HAS, HAS, HAS COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE, UM, ON THE OTHER, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HARRIS COURT DOG PARK BEING ON THE NORTH SIDE, ON THAT SOUTH SIDE, IF AND WITH SETBACKS AND ALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS, UM, TO HAVE SOME VISITOR PARKING THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOME SPACE, BUT NO.
SO COMMISSIONER THERE, OBVIOUSLY THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A TRADE OFF TO HOW, UM, YOU UTILIZE YOUR GROUND SPACE AND, UM, WE, WE, WE COULD BUILD LARGER PARKING LOTS AT THE EXPENSE OF, OF LANDSCAPING.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO MEET, UH, LANDSCAPING RATIOS, WHICH WE HAVE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE QUOTE UNQUOTE OVER PARKED IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED MORE SPACES THAN ARE STRICTLY REQUIRED.
UM, PARKING AS, AS IN WITH TRAFFIC GENERALLY IN SEDONA CAN BE PROBLEMATIC.
UM, BUT, UH, WHAT MIRA MONTE WAS ABLE TO DO HERE WAS PROVIDE, UM, MORE PARKING FOR EVERY SINGLE UNIT THAN WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED, UM, BY CODE.
AND, AND, UM, I GUESS I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, THAT, UM, THEY ARE UNDER THEIR LOT COVERAGE.
SO IF THEY EXPERIENCED SOME ISSUES, UM, THAT IT, AND WERE INTERESTED IN ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THERE IS SPACE ON THE LOT, BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO KIND OF INITIATE THAT AND WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY NEW PARKING AREAS MEET, UM, ANY KIND OF CODE REQUIREMENT IN ANY DIS SPACE.
DISPLACED LANDSCAPING IS REPLACED.
IT JUST COMES, IT, IT COMES AT, AT A COST OF THE SPACE THAT IS SURE.
THERE'S A TRADE OFF AND OPEN SPACE IS ALWAYS A NICE MM-HMM.
BUT CLUTTERED STREETS IS NOT A NICE VISUAL, SO UNDERSTOOD MR. KIMBERLY DIDN'T MENTION IT, BUT THAT OPEN SPACE MAY BE THE BEST AMENITY FOR A FAMILY LIVING AT THIS PROJECT TO THE NORTH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHIN, WITHIN THIS PROJECT.
BUT I, I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CARRIE ABOUT MM-HMM.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL GATHERING PLACES? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT A DOG PARK IS A GATHERING PLACE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DOG OWNERS, BUT IF I HAVE A CHILD, THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING OUT THERE UNSUPERVISED, UM, TO PLAY, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH URINE AND FECES AND WHO KNOWS IF DOGS ARE UNDER CONTROL OR NOT.
UM, SO IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE COMMUNITY GARDENS OR GATHERING SPACES, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES BESIDES JUST THE DOG PARK, IF THIS IS GEARED TOWARDS FAMILIES, THE, THERE, THERE MAY BE.
SO YOU, ONE THING YOU HEARD FROM MR. KIMBERLY IS THAT SOME OUTDOOR BIKE PARKING COULD BE ADDED.
AND, AND THE POINT IS THAT AS THE PROJECT GOES THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION, OF COURSE WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON TONIGHT ARE THE, THE POTENTIALLY INSUFFICIENT NUMBER OF BOXES, BUT THE BOXES THAT NEED TO BE CHECKED OFF AS THE, AS THE PROJECT GOES THROUGH, UM, CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, EXACTLY HOW BIG CAN THIS DOG PART BE, WHAT DOES THIS CORNER OF THE LOT LOOK LIKE, AND WOULD IT BE IMPROVED BY AN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, BENCH OR, OR GATHERING PLACE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
IS THERE CONSENSUS, UH, AMONG THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, AND CONSENT, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT THAT BIKE RACKS WOULD BE ADDED TO THE PROJECT? THE, UM, DRIVEWAY PAD WOULD BE PAVER OF PERMEABLE PAVERS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? SINGLE TRASH LOCATION.
EQUIPMENT OR SOME SORT OF PLAYGROUND AREA.
AND LOOKING AT THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS THE GREEN SPACE AVAILABLE FOR SOME SORT OF SPACE.
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MAYBE THAT BECAUSE I'D VOTE FOR PARKINGBUT ANYWAYS, IT'S JUST A, JUST A THOUGHT.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT? SURE.
SO, SO YOU, YOU HEARD MAYOR MONTE'S COMMITMENT TO THE BIKE RACKS YES.
UM, AND, AND IF THE COMMISSION WANTED TO ADD THOSE TO THE CONDITIONS, WE'D HAVE NO OBJECTION.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD INCORPORATE THOSE INTO CONDITIONS.
INSIDER ARE JUST NOT TO DO THAT PART TONIGHT.
BUT AS, BUT AS TO BIKE RACKS AND, AND PAVERS, NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
BUT MAYBE THERE IS A WAY THAT STAFF COULD COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT WOULD, UM, MEMORIALIZE THE COMMISSION'S INTEREST IN SEEING PLAYGROUNDS, GATHERING SPACES, PLACES.
UM, I, I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT I DON'T HAVE A CODE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.
AND, UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT SEES AS A VALUABLE ASSET TO THE PROJECT, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS A SETBACK REQUIREMENT OR IF THERE'S A FENCE THAT, THAT, THAT IS THERE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, I GUESS I'M CONCERNED IT'LL GET LOST IF IT'S NOT WRITTEN AND IT'LL BE OVERLOOKED AND NOT INSTALLED.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR ANOTHER WAY FROM STAFF
SO, SO CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A, A DIFFERENT WAY, UH, OH, I'M SO SORRY.
IT'S MEMORIALIZED HERE IN THE MEETING.
UH, UH, THE COMMISSION'S DESIRE AND WISH, BUT IT IS NOT A, A REASON TO APPROVE OR DENY THE PROJECT.
HOW ABOUT A PUBLIC ART ATTRACTIVE, UH, PLAYGROUND SET
IF THEY CHOSE TO CHANGE THEIR MIND ABOUT MAKING A CASH PAYMENT, WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING MEETS PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENTS.
BUT THAT THE, THE REQUIREMENT THERE IS JUST THAT THEY CHOOSE ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS FOR MM-HMM.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO I HAVE, UM, THE DRIVEWAY PAVERS ADDED.
I DON'T HAVE THAT UP HERE 'CAUSE MY, THE COMPUTERS WEREN'T WORKING.
BUT AS A CONDITION UNDER, UM, EIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD CHECK BEFORE ISSUANCE OF GRADING AND BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, TO ADD A, A SUB CONDITION UNDER THAT, THAT THE DRIVEWAYS BE SHOWN WITH PERMEABLE PAPERS ON THE PLANS THAT THEY SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMITS.
AND THEN THE INSTALLATION OF BIKE RACKS BEING A, UM, CONDITION UNDER NINE PRIOR TO THE CER ISSUANCE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS UP HERE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, CAN I JUST MAKE ONE, ONE COMMENT.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT I'LL VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT, UH, I DO NOT APPRECIATE KIND OF A NEGATIVE VIBE THAT IT'S BEEN PUSHED IF THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.
BUT WE'RE JUST UP HERE TRYING TO DO OUR JOBS.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO EXTEND THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DELAY IT BY YEARS AND YEARS.
WE'RE JUST UP HERE TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE JOB THAT WAS GIVEN TO US.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, I'D APPRECIATE NOT GETTING, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE VIBES PUSHED THIS WAY.
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I CAN DO IT.
IF CARRIE TELLS ME WHERE TO PUT THE PAPER THINGS AGAIN 'CAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.
IT WOULD BE, UH, AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS REVISED.
UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 22 DASH 0 0 0 0 1 DEVELOPMENT JORDAN TOWN HOMES BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4, AND SAT SATISFAC SATISFACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AND THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS REVISED.
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AS REVISED.YOU KNOW, I'M, I GOTTA BACK UP.
YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR REASONS FOR DENY.
UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE PROJECT, AND YES, IT IS STRAIGHTFORWARD AND CHECKS, UM, BOXES, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S ALIGNMENT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT.
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ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO IN TWO WEEKS YOU, WE WILL HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. ONE BEING, UM, THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE AND THE OTHER BEING THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY AROUND THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION.UM, DUE TO THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA, WE WILL NOT BE SCHEDULING A SITE VISIT IN THE MORNING.
UM, IT'S JUST, THERE'S NO SAFE WAY TO GET AROUND THAT.
NO, THEY'RE THE, I MEAN, THE ROAD IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THEY'RE DOING SOME STAGING AROUND WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE, BUT YOU WANNA GO AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTY FROM AFAR.
IT JUST SEEMS ODD THAT WE WOULD BE PUT INTO A POSITION WHERE WE COULDN'T SEE WHAT WE WERE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE.
UM, YEAH, I I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT TO THE GARAGE SITE LATELY.
I KNOW THAT WITH THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION, IT'S, YEAH, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN GET, GET ON THAT SITE AND I DON'T, DOES THE CITY HAVE A DRONE? NO, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BUY ONE.
I MEAN, THE ROAD RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS OPEN.
THAT SECTION'S NOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
YOU JUST CAN'T TAKE A LEFT ON FOREST.
THERE'S A PUBLIC PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARKING GARAGE.
WELL, I, I WENT TO THAT PARKING LOT AND YOU CAN SEE AT LEAST THAT PART THAT'S GOING ON IN THE WALL THEY'RE BUILDING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO I GUESS WE COULD GO AND SOUNDS GOOD.
YEAH, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE ACTUAL SITE, BUT YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT ON THE, TO RIGHT ACROSS FROM ME TO LIKE WATCH IT, LOCATE IT FROM ACROSS THE STREET.
I DON'T, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE PLAN OR, OR SOMETHING CAN ASK.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT PACKET WILL BE COMING OUT NEXT WEEK.
SO WE'RE NOT DOING OFFICIAL SITE VISIT, WE'RE DOING AN UNOFFICIAL SITE VISIT.
IS THAT WHAT WE WE'RE JUST TAKING OURSELVES THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE MARCH OR MARCH APRIL 2ND WAS THE NEXT ONE ON THE LIST.
UM, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING FOR THAT MEETING.
UM, BUT THERE WAS A COUPLE, THE, THERE'S A PROPOSED CIRCLE K IN FRONT OF WHERE THE NAVAJO TOWNHOUSE IS BEING BUILT.
THERE WAS A COUPLE ISSUES WITH THEIR, UM, SIGN PLAN THAT WE PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THE NEXT TWO DAYS BEFORE WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, BUT WE'LL KNOW BY THE END OF THE WEEK IF YOU WANNA CHECK BACK IN WITH ME IF YOU HAVE A BIG VACATION PLANNED FOR THAT WEEK.
AND YOU'LL KNOW BY FRIDAY, UM, WELL, THURSDAY.
BUT YEAH, SO YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO GO ON AGAIN.
SEDONA AZ DO GOV SLASH PROJECTS AND START LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THE PROJECT DOCUMENTS.
IF YOU WANNA GET A HEAD START AT, UM, LOOKING THROUGH ANY OF THOSE MATERIALS.
ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT THIS MEETING WITH THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, WILL HAVE A LARGE GROUP HERE IN THE CHAMBERS? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'VE STARTED THE PUBLIC NOTICING.
UM, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE, WAS IT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UM, REGARDING THE PARKING GARAGE OR IF THEY WOULD COME OUT FOR THAT.
UM, SO I ASKED IF WE WERE HAVING HUGE CLOUDS, IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR US TO HAVE
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SOME SORT OF SECURITY HERE.SOMEONE FROM DEPARTMENT KNOW IT SOUNDS GOOFY.
IF WE START HEARING THAT WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS, ANTICIPATE WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HAVE SOMEONE HERE, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
I DID NOT FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE AT THAT LAST MEETING WHEN PEOPLE WERE YELLING AT EACH OTHER.
AND, UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN AND NOT HAVING SECURITY HERE.
I SHARE, I SHARE THAT FEELING.
UM, IF THERE NO MORE BUSINESS CONVERSATION UP HERE, DOES THAT, THAT'S ON OUR OWN.
THE, ON THE 19TH, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT.
IT'S, WE'RE NOT HAVING AN OFFICIAL SITE VISIT.
BUT IF YOU WANT LIKE A SITE PLAN OR SOMETHING PRINTED OUT, LET ME KNOW.
WE CAN GO ANY DAY AFTER TODAY.
YOU CAN GO WHILE IT'S STILL LIGHT AND THEN YOU CAN WALK YOUR AROUND.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOT THERE.
WITH NO OBJECTION, WE'LL ADJOURN IT.
UH, ADJOURN OUR MEETING AT, UH, SIX 12.