Mar 12, 2024 City Council

AND ALSO, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AS TO WHERE TO SIGN UP FOR, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF YOU CAN COME OFF THAT , THERE'S A LIGHT SWITCH AGAINST THAT WALL UNDER, SO IF YOU COULD NOT LEAN ON THE LIGHT SWITCH AND, UH, OR HIT THE UP BUTTON SO THAT THE, THERE YOU GO.

ALL NEW TECHNOLOGY.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS RIGHT.

WELL, LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

SO SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE FILLED OUT THE, FOR THE, THE CORRECT THING.

WE HAVE, UH, THREE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, COMMENT.

ONE WOULD BE FOR, UH, THE OPEN, UH, CALL TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS BEFORE THE, YOU KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING OR BEFORE WE GET TO THE ITEMS. THEN FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM.

SO, UH, IF YOU'RE GONNA FILL OUT A CARD, MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE FOR THE RIGHT TOPIC.

OKAY? EVERYBODY'S IN PLACE.

UH, WE HAVE COUNCILLOR KINSELLA UP.

[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]

PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY OF JUSTICE ALL, AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL.

READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO.

UH, MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE

[2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART (Part 1 of 2)]

PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU.

HERE.

COUNCILOR DUNN.

PRESENT.

COUNCILOR FOLTZ? HERE.

COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON HERE.

AND THEN, UH, EVERYBODY CAME FOR THE RIGHT TIME.

I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL HERE.

JUST FOR THE MOMENT OF ART, THIS IS THE FIRST , THE FIRST MEETING, AND OF THE MONTH, SO YOU GET TO ENJOY SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR US.

PATIENT AND KIND, BUT ENCOURAGES THEM WITH THEIR STRUGGLES AND FRUSTRATIONS AS THEY WORK WITH FINE MOTOR SKILLS AND UNFAMILIAR TOOLS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS.

UM, MARCH IS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, AND SO I'VE CHOSEN TO INVITE NANCY WILSON TO CELEBRATE HER WORK AND HERSELF.

UH, SHE IS A FIBER ARTIST AND A MASTER SPINNER.

NANCY RETIRED FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA SIX YEARS AGO AFTER ALMOST 25 YEARS OF SERVICE.

HER FIBER BACKGROUND GOES BACK TO 1988 WHEN SHE AND HER HUSBAND ACQUIRED THEIR FIRST LLAMA.

SHE HAS A BS IN TEXTILES AND CLOTHING, SO IT SEEMED OBVIOUS THAT SHE WOULD EVENTUALLY LEARN TO SPIN FIBER.

HER FIRST ART FORM AS A CHILD WAS HAND SPUN ART.

WHEN HER MOM TAUGHT HER TO KNIT, SHE HAD ALWAYS MADE HER OWN CLOTHES.

SO WEAVING SEEMED A NATURAL PROGRESSION, WHICH RETIREMENT MADE POSSIBLE.

NANCY WEAVES MOSTLY ON A RIGID HEAD LOOM AND WEAVES GARMENTS WITH MINIMAL SEAMS INCORPORATING HER HAND SPUN YARN.

I ALSO WANNA MENTION SHE'S A VERY VALUABLE MEMBER OF AN ARTIST IN THE ARTIST IN THE CLASSROOM PROGRAM.

SO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

I PAIRED HER WITH A TEACHER, MAUREEN BARTON, A SECOND GRADE TEACHER AT WEST SEDONA ELEMENTARY.

AND THE CURRICULUM WAS WEAVING ACROSS CULTURES.

NANCY, INTEGRATED WEAVING PROJECTS WITH CULTURAL TRADITIONS THAT ALIGN SECOND GRADE STANDARDS IN SOCIAL STUDIES LESSONS, WHICH INCLUDED MEXICAN PIONEER AND NAVAJO CULTURES.

THEY EXPLORED ALL THREE OF THOSE.

MATH WAS USED WHEN MEASURING AND ESTIMATING URINE LENGTHS, MATHEMATICAL PRACTICE WITH APPROPRIATE TOOLS ATTENDED TO PRECISION PATTERNS AND REPETITION.

AND ENGLISH WAS INTEGRATED WITH STORIES LIKE CHARLIE NEEDS A CLOAK AND THE GOAT IN THE RUG.

SO A LITTLE QUOTE FROM MAUREEN.

NANCY WORKS EXTREMELY WELL WITH THIS AGE GROUP.

SHE'S NOT ONLY

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SHE ALLOWED FREEDOM OF CHOICE AND DESIGN WHILE STRUCTURING THE PROCESS.

THE LESSONS WERE MAGNIFICENT.

I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER THAT MY STUDENTS ARE EMPOWERED BY THIS EXPERIENCE.

THE ARTISTS IN THE CLASSROOM PROGRAM NOT ONLY BRINGS PROFESSIONAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO OUR SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT ALSO ENABLES OUR STUDENTS TO EXPERIENCE SUCCESS THROUGH THEIR OWN EFFORTS IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

THEY WILL HAVE THE MEMORIES AND CREATIVE ART PROJECTS TO KEEP FOREVER.

AND I JUST ONE QUOTE FROM A, A, A BOY, A LITTLE BOY IN SECOND GRADE, MRS. WILSON IS VERY HELPFUL AND LOVING AND JOYFUL AND CARING.

OUR PROJECTS LOOK VERY GOOD.

AND MY MOM, DAD, STEPMOM, STEP GRANDPA AND GRANDMA WILL LOVE THEM.

SO NANCY IS A MEMBER OF THE VERDE VALLEY WEAVERS AND SPINNERS GUILD, AS WELL AS THE MOUNTAIN SPINNERS AND WEAVERS GUILD.

SHE'S ALSO ON THE BOARD OF THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN LLAMA AND ALPACA ASSOCIATION.

AND THERE ARE BUSINESS CARDS ARE IN THE FRONT IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED, OR YOU CAN ALWAYS CONTACT ME.

AND, UM, I'M HAPPY TO CONNECT YOU WITH NANCY.

PLEASE WELCOME NANCY WILSON.

HI, NANCY.

IT'S VERY GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

IT'S BEEN SUCH A LONG TIME.

I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE SO TALENTED.

OKAY, SO YOU WANNA GET THE NEXT SLIDE? UH OH.

THAT'S OKAY.

HERE WE GO.

ALRIGHT, UM, THIS ONE, I'M VERY LOW TECH, SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE WE GO.

THERE WE GO.

SO LLAMAS STARTED IT ALL.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 13 LLAMAS AND ONE ALPACA.

I TOOK MY FIRST SPINNING CLASS IN 1988, SHORTLY AFTER WE GOT OUR FIRST LLAMAS.

AND IT IS TRULY MY FAVORITE WAY TO RELAX.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, LLAMAS ARE EASY TO CARE FOR.

I FEED THEM ONCE A DAY, GENERALLY IN THE EVENING, LATE AFTERNOON, WE GIVE THEM GRASS, HAY, AND ESPECIALLY FORMULATED FREE CHOICE.

MINERAL GESTATION IS ABOUT 350 DAYS.

CREAS, WHICH IS THE SPANISH WORD FOR BABY, IS WHAT WE CALL A NEWBORN LLAMA OR ALPACA.

AND THEY'RE GENERALLY AROUND 20 TO 30 POUNDS AT BIRTH AND THEY'RE UP IN NURSING WITHIN A COUPLE OF HOURS.

THEY'RE USUALLY BORN DURING THE DAY AND GENERALLY UNASSISTED.

YAY.

I ORIGINALLY DID MY OWN SHEARING AND IT WOULD TAKE ME ABOUT AN HOUR TO SHEAR ONE LLAMA.

AND WITH A LARGE GROUP, THAT ADDS UP TO A LOT OF TIME.

SO NOW THEY GET PROFESSIONALLY SHORT EVERY YEAR OR EVERY OTHER YEAR, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH FIBER THEY'VE GROWN OVER THE YEAR.

SO I LIKE COLD WINTERS.

A SHEARER TAKES A FRACTION OF THE TIME TO DO WHAT I WOULD DO IN AN HOUR, AND THE WHOLE HERD'S DONE.

I BLOW OFF THE LLAMAS PRIOR TO SHEARING TO GET THE VEGETABLE MATTER OUT OF THE FLEECE.

NEXT LLAMA AND ALPACA FIBER HAS VERY LOW LAIN CONTENT, SO IT'S VERY DRY.

THE BEST FIBER IS THE BLANKET AREA, WHICH IS THE AREA OF THE BODY BETWEEN THE FRONT AND REAR LEGS.

SO THIS IS CAPRI AFTER BEING HAND SHORED BY ME.

UM, A PROFESSIONAL SHEARER WOULD HAVE MADE IT EVEN SHORTER, SO HENCE IS A SPINNER.

I'D HAVE LONGER FIBER TO WORK WITH AND IT WOULD BE A LOT SMOOTHER.

I LIKE TO HAVE SHEARING DONE LATE SPRING SO THAT THE LLAMAS HAVE A CHANCE TO GROW SOME FIBER BACK FOR SUN PROTECTION.

NEXT LLAMA AND ALPACA FIBER COMES IN A WIDE VARIETY OF NATURAL COLORS AND COLOR PATTERNS SUCH AS APPALOOSA, PINTO, AND THAT SORT OF COLOR PATTERN SIMILAR TO LIKE IN HORSES.

UM, AFTER SHEARING, I SEND THE FIBER TO A MILL FOR CARTING INTO ROVING.

AND ROVING IS A FORM OF FIBER THAT'S READY TO SPIN AND DIE AS SHOWN HERE.

SO THE NATURAL COLORS ON THE LEFT DYED FIBER ON THE RIGHT.

I USE A CROCKPOT TO DO MY DYEING, AND I USE CHEMICAL DYES.

I CHOOSE MY COLORS SIMILAR TO WHAT A POTTER MIGHT DO.

I GO IN THERE AND IT'S LIKE, OH, TONIGHT I THINK THIS COLOR LOOKS GOOD.

SO WHAT OTHER COLORS WILL LOOK GOOD WITH IT? SO MY, UH, COLOR THEORY IS KIND OF MINIMAL.

LEFT, WHICH IS THE HORIZONTAL YARN.

I LIKE TO COM.

THESE ARE SOME OF MY HAND SPUN YARNS.

I LIKE TO COMBINE DIFFERENT COLORWAYS INTO MY YARNS USING A VARIETY OF TECHNIQUES SUCH AS MAYBE SPINNING TWO COLORS, TWO DIFFERENT YARNS FIBERS TOGETHER, DIFFERENT COLORWAYS, UH, SPINNING NATURAL WITH DYED AND THAT SORT OF THING.

WEAVING'S RELATIVELY NEW TO ME.

I USE A RIGID HEAD OF LOOM.

UH, I LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T TAKE UP A LOT OF ROOM.

IT'S EASY TO SET UP AND GET TO THE WEAVING PART AND NOT SPEND LOTS OF TIME DOING THE WARPING PART.

I ENJOY WATCHING THE SUBTLE COLOR VARIATIONS AS I WEAVE WITH MY HAND SPUN YARN.

THE LEFT IS A PICTURE OF A RWANDA THAT I, UH, WOVE FROM THE HAND SPUN IS THE

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AND THE YARN WAS SPUN FROM RANDOM COLORS IN JUST A RANDOM ORDER.

AND EVEN THOUGH I DID THAT, IT ENDED UP HAVING SOME INTERESTING COLOR EFFECTS WITH STRIPING THAT I HADN'T PLANNED ON.

BUT I REALLY LIKE HOW IT, HOW IT ENDED UP WORKING OUT.

THE SHAWL AT THE RIGHT USES A GRAY ALPACA BLEND, AND I MADE A GRADIENT YARN, UH, BY BLENDING A MAROON FIBER WITH GRAY, BLACK, BROWN AND WHITE FIBER TO CREATE THE GRADATION.

BEING PART OF THE ARTISTS IN THE CLASSROOM PROGRAM HAS ALLOWED ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING FIBER ARTS TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF FIBER ARTISTS.

MY HOPE IS THAT THEY WILL LEARN TO APPRECIATE HANDMADE ITEMS AND THE EFFORT INVOLVED IN MAKING THEM.

FIBER ART HELPS WITH MANUAL DEXTERITY.

THE STUDENTS INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER IN A NON-COMPETITIVE SETTING.

PRIOR TO OUR ACTUAL WEAVING, I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE NAVAJO CULTURE AND THE IMPORTANCE WEAVING PLAYS IN THAT CULTURE.

I SHOWED THEM NAVAJO RUGS IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WEAVING STYLES AND DEMONSTRATED THE PROCESS OF TAKING RAW WOOL THROUGH THE WASHING, CARTING AND SPINNING PROCESS USING A TRADITIONAL NAVAJO SPINDLE.

THE STUDENTS WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN THE SPINNING WITH SEVERAL OF THEM ASKING TO TRY THE SPINDLE, WHICH I LET THEM DO NEXT.

THE STUDENTS WERE EAGER TO GET STARTED ON THEIR WEAVING PROJECTS.

SOME OF THEM WERE HELPING THEIR FELLOW STUDENTS.

ONE GIRL WAS MISSED THE FIRST DAY, AND THE NEXT DAY I HAD OBVIOUSLY HAD TO TRAIN THE TRAINER EXPERIENCE BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE IN HER LITTLE GROUP OF DESKS WAS HELPING HER GET STARTED.

I'D LIKE TO BRING A VARIETY OF COLORS AND TEXTURES OF YARN SO THAT THE KIDS HAVE LOTS OF CHOICES.

SAMPLES OF COMBINING YARNS AND FIRES FIBERS IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

SEVERAL STUDENTS HAD SPECIFIC OBJECTS AND OBJECTIVES IN MIND FOR THEIR PROJECTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, ONE GIRL WAS WEAVING A BLANKET FOR HER AMERICAN GIRL DOLL.

ANOTHER, UH, WAS SELECTING COLORS FOR HIS WEAVING BASED ON HIS KARATE BELT COLORS.

THERE WAS ANOTHER BOY WHO WAS WORKING VERY INTENTLY ON HIS PROJECT, TAKING GREAT CARE WITH EACH MOVEMENT OF THE LEFT YARN.

ANOTHER GIRL WANTED TO WEAVE A REPRESENTATION OF THE AMERICAN FLAG AND ASKED HOW TO ADD STARS TO HER WEAVING.

IN THE WEAVING PROCESS.

STUDENTS WOULD LOOK ON IN ON WHAT OTHERS WERE MAKING WITHOUT MAKING ANY JUDGMENTS ABOUT THEIR WORK OR THEIR COLOR CHOICES.

I CONTINUE TO CONTINUALLY SCAN THE CLASS TO SEE WHERE HELP IS NEEDED AND TO CHECK IN WITH THE STUDENTS.

THEY LOVE TO SHARE WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

I GIVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK SO THAT THEY FEEL SUCCESSFUL WITH THEIR PROJECT AND THE WHOLE WEAVING EXPERIENCE.

AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, I INCORPORATE STEM, WHICH IS SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING, AND MATH.

I INCORPORATE THOSE TOPICS INTO THE CLASSROOM PROJECT NEXT.

SO THIS IS, UM, THIS YEAR'S CLASS WITH THE PROJECTS IN THE WORKS, ALL SMILING, INCLUDING ME.

NEXT, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I DID AS PART OF THE ART ARTIST IN THE CLASSROOM PROJECT WAS COVERING BARS OF SOAP WITH WOOL AND SALTING THEM.

AND THEY REALLY LIKED HAVING ALL THAT SOAP AND BUBBLES AND ALL THE SOAPY WATER, NICE CLEAN PROJECT.

UM, SO I WANNA SAY ART AND STEM.

WHILE MAY, THEY MAY SEEM AS OPPOSITES, THEY REALLY COMPLIMENT ONE ANOTHER.

ART INSPIRES CREATIVITY AND STEM REQUIRES THAT CREATIVITY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. NEXT, UM, IN MY MASTER SPINNERS PROGRAM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ASSIGNED TO DO WAS TO TAKE AND CREATE A YARN INSPIRED BY A PHOTO.

SO THIS WAS THE PHOTO AND THE YARN OR THE FIBERS THAT I CHOSE TO USE.

NEXT, I USED A DRUM CARTER ON THE LEFT TO PREPARE THE FIBERS FOR SPINNING ON THE RIGHT.

WE USED TO HAVE A FESTIVAL AT ANTE, AND ONE YEAR WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO USE YARN AROUND THE FACILITY, ALSO KNOWN AS YARN BOMBING.

THIS IS AN ENGINEERING CONCEPT BECAUSE HERE WE'RE USING YARN TO SUPPORT A PLANT IN ITS PLANTER IN A BEAUTIFUL WAY.

NEXT, THE SHOULDER WRAP AT THE FRONT OF THE TABLE.

ON THE LEFT PICTURE, UH, USE BOTH A HAND SPUN WARP, WHICH ARE THE LENGTHWISE THREADS, AS WELL AS FOR THE LEFT, WHICH ARE THE CROSSWISE THREAD.

SO THAT, UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THE THINGS ARE VARIOUS PROCESSES IN THE, IN THE FORM OF GETTING FIBER TO YARN.

THE RIGHT PHOTO SHOWS A START OF A WEAVING PROJECT ON MY RIGID HEAD LOOM.

OKAY, THESE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT I'VE WOVEN.

THE LEFT PHOTO USES CLASPED WEF, WHICH YOU DON'T TRY AND SAY FAST.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT THERE'S A PICTURE SHOWING SIMPLE PATTERNS THEN THAT CAN BE CREATED ON THE RIGID HEAD LOOM.

NEXT, HERE'S

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THE LEFT SHOWS A COMMERCIAL YARN AND HAND SPUN YARN.

THE CENTER ONE IS OPTICAL BLENDING, WHERE YOU HAVE ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT COLORS IN THE YARN, BUT THE EFFECT TREE IS A THIRD COLOR.

AND THEN THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS, UM, A YARN WITH DIFFERENT COLORS OF NATURAL FIBERS.

AND ACTUALLY THE PIC, THE PIECE THAT I'M WEARING TODAY IS IN THE EXAMPLE OF MODIFYING AN EXISTING HAND SPUN GARMENT THAT ENDED HERE.

AND I NEVER WORE IT.

SO I FIGURED OUT A WAY TO ADD PICK UP STITCHES AND ADD ON THE LENGTH TO IT.

AND NOW IT'S ONE OF MY THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO WEAR .

NEXT, THIS IS THE VERDE VALLEY WEAVERS AND SPINNERS GUILD, WHICH MEETS HERE AT SEDONA ART CENTER.

IT'S THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THE MONTH, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A DISPLAY AT THE CAMP VERDE LIBRARY SHOWING WORK DONE BY THE MEMBERS.

NEXT, THIS IS THE MOUNTAIN SPINNERS AND WEAVERS GUILD ALSO DOING, HAS A DISPLAY.

THIS ONE'S AT THE PRESCOTT LIBRARY, AND THIS IS THE PRESCOTT GUILD.

WE HAVE THREE TIMES THAT WE'RE, UH, VENDORS AT THE PRESCOTT FARMER'S MARKET.

AND SO THIS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S WEAVING, KNITTING, EVEN SOME FELTING IN THERE.

THE YARNS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS SLIDE ARE A CABLED CONSTRUCTION, WHERE I'VE GOT TWO, TWO PLY YARNS.

SO YOU'VE IN ESSENCE, GOT FOUR YARNS THAT YOU PLY TOGETHER IN AN INTERESTING WAY TO CREATE THIS TEXT WHERE YOU'VE GOT LITTLE, ALMOST LOOKS LIKE LITTLE BEADS ON FOUR SIDES OF THE YARN.

SO I REALLY DO HAVE THE LLAMAS TO THANK FOR GETTING ME INVOLVED IN THE FIBER ARTS.

I'M QUITE CERTAIN THAT WITHOUT THEM I WOULDN'T HAVE BECOME A SPINNER.

AND, UH, OF COURSE, ON THE RIGHT IS ARCTIC, OUR PYRENEES, WHO I, I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO THE FEEDING WITHOUT HIS HELP.

SO I WANNA THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

AND, UM, HERE'S SOME UPCOMING FIBER EVENTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE AREA.

THANK YOU, NANCY.

OKAY, WE'LL JUST GIVE NANCY A SECOND OR TWO TO GO.

THERE YOU GO.

SO ITEM THREE, CONSENT, UH, ITEMS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF, THE PUBLIC OR THE COUNCIL, UH, TO PULL THESE ITEMS. IF THERE'S ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ON THEM, DO WE HAVE ANY INTEREST? OKAY, SO WE HAVE ITEMS, UH, CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION FOR ITEMS A TO EI MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH E.

[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE]

SECOND.

OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS APPOINTMENTS.

WE HAVE NONE.

SUMMARY OF CURRENT

[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS]

EVENTS BY THE MAYOR, COUNCIL'S CITY MANAGER ON YOUR, UH, AND ON YOUR COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.

UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN.

I COULDN'T PASS UP A LARGE AUDIENCE FOR THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS.

I'M SURE NOT.

UH, JUST AS A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR MOST OF THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS, I AM THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO TWO REGIONAL WATER BOARDS.

AND SO WATER EVENTS ARE A FAVORITE OF MINE.

SO GET OUT YOUR CALENDARS AND SCHEDULE THE, UH, WEDNESDAY NEXT WEEK.

THE 20TH IS THE KSB SPEAKER SERIES CONTINUES WHERE, UH, ONE OF OUR OWN ROXANNE HOLLAND IS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT WASTEWATER QUALITY AND MANAGEMENT.

ONLY LOCAL GOVERNMENT AFICIONADOS CAN GET EXCITED ABOUT WASTEWATER QUALITY AND MANAGEMENT .

UM, BUT IT SHOULD BE INTERESTING.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOUR ATTENDANCE THERE.

AND THEN ON THE 22ND OF NEXT WEEK, FRIDAY IS WORLD WATER DAY AND THERE WILL BE AN EVENT AT CRESCENT MOON PICNIC SITE WHERE WE CAN ALL LEARN ABOUT OAK CREEK WATER QUALITY.

WE CAN LEARN ABOUT, UH, WHERE OUR WATER COMES FROM IN THE SEDONA AREA AND, AND SORT OF HOW WE GET IT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO THOSE ARE TWO GREAT EVENTS.

THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL WILLIAMSON? YEAH.

UM, I'M, I JUST WANNA UPDATE THE COUNCIL A LITTLE ON THE RECYCLE CENTER, UH, LAST YEAR, THE COST THAT WHAT THEY COULD SELL THE MATERIALS FOR SORT OF BOTTOMED OUT THIS YEAR.

GUESS WHAT? IT'S REBOUNDED.

OH, AND SO , WHICH IS WHAT THEY KEEP SAYING THAT IT'S TOTALLY CYCLICAL.

SO, UM, THEY'RE PLEASED TO REPORT THAT THEY'RE IN PRETTY SOLID FINANCIAL SITUATION THIS YEAR.

AND THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE GOT THEIR SPENDING UNDER CONTROL.

THEIR INCOME IS INCREASING, SO IT LOOKS REAL SOLID FOR THE, FOR THE YEAR, AT LEAST THIS FAR.

IN SERVING, UH, IN THAT, UH, COMMITTEE.

ON THIS END, COUNCILOR FUL.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR MY ASSIGNMENT TO THE NORTHERN ARIZONA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, AND SPECIFICALLY THE AREA COUNCIL ON AGING, WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR TWO COCONINO COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED

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AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO INFLUENCE HOW FUNDING IS MADE AVAILABLE, AND PROGRAMMING IS MADE AVAILABLE FOR SENIOR CITIZENS THROUGHOUT THE FOUR COUNTY NAAG REGION.

IF THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING OF INTEREST TO YOU, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CONNECT YOU WITH THE RIGHT FOLKS.

THANKS, MAYOR.

JUST WANNA SAY THAT SATURDAY MORNING IS THE ST.

PATRICK'S DAY PARADE AND WEATHER LOOKS IFFY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ALL TALK TO THE WEATHER PEOPLE AND GET THAT RAIN REMOVED SO WE HAVE A BRIGHT SUNSHINY DAY FOR OUR PARADE.

SO HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL OUT THERE.

10 O'CLOCK JORDAN ROAD, RIGHT? EXCELLENT.

UH, PUBLIC FORUM ITEM SIX.

I HAVE THOSE CARDS ALREADY.

UH, DEPUTY CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FOR THE, UH, THE PUBLIC FORUM?

[6. PUBLIC FORUM (Part 1 of 2)]

NO, MA'AM.

SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH THAT.

UH, I'M GONNA CALL, UH, PEOPLE'S NAMES UP AND WE'LL HAVE IT ON DECK.

SO THIS WOULD BE STEVE SLEAVES, FOLLOWED BY ED KETTLER, STEVE.

YOU'LL START WITH YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

WE HAVE NEW TIMERS UP ON THE WALL, SO JUST FOLLOW THE TIMERS AND, UM, ED LER, DO, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.

SO THAT'S FINE.

AS LONG AS YOU RIGHT NEARBY.

STEVE, IT'S ALL YOURS.

MY NAME IS STEVE SLEAVES.

I'VE LIVED IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, BEAUTIFUL SEDONA FOR 25 YEARS.

MR. MAYOR MADAM VICE MAYOR COUNCILORS, COUNCILOR KINSELLA .

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO EXERCISE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

SO I HAVE HERE A PETITION ADDRESSED TO THE SERONA CITY GOVERNMENT AND TO EACH OF YOU BY NAME ALLOW ME TO READ IT.

IT SAYS, PETITION TO SEDONA CITY GOVERNMENT, WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA BANKS WITH WELLS FARGO BANK, AND WHEREAS WELLS FARGO IS THE WORLD'S TOP LENDER OF OPERATING CAPITAL TO THE OIL AND GAS FRACKING INDUSTRY, THEREFORE, WE THE UNDERSIGNED CONCERNED CITIZENS RESPECTFULLY DEMAND, AND I MEAN, RESPECTFULLY, THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA STOP DOING BUSINESS WITH WELLS FARGO BANK.

SO I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THESE 150 PEOPLE, 153 NOW I THINK, WHO HAVE SIGNED THEIR NAMES IN INC.

ON PAPER TO, TO, TO, UH, GET SOME ACTION FROM THE CITY GOVERNMENT HERE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE? THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE.

HUNDRED 53 NAMES.

WELLS FARGO IS THE WORLD'S LARGEST FUNDER OF MONEY FOR FRACKING AND FRACKING.

COUNCILOR FURMAN IS REALLY BAD FOR WATER.

UH, PROBABLY YOU KNOW THAT IN SEVERAL WAYS.

SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT WELLS FARGO DOES, BUT WE CAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE COMPLICIT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO LET WELLS FARGO USE OUR MONEY TO DO THEIR DIRTY WORK, TO COMMIT THEIR CRIMES AGAINST NATURE.

RACKING IS A CRIME AGAINST NATURE AND OIL MONEY IS DIRTY MONEY.

NOW LOOK, WE'RE REASONABLE PEOPLE, AND WE KNOW THIS IS NOT GONNA BE EASY TO CHANGE.

FIND A NEW BANK.

THAT MIGHT TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT YOUR EFFORT BEHIND IT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT, YOU HAVE PUBLIC SUPPORT TO BACK YOU UP.

I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOUR ATTENTION ONCE AGAIN AND I WILL BE BACK.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

YOU WANNA LEAVE THAT PETITION WITH THE CITY CLERK? LEAVE IT WITH THE CITY CLERK.

SO SHE HAS TO RECORD THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT INTO THE RECORD.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

CHRISTINA MANNING, ARE YOU NEARBY? OKAY.

UH, ED KETTLER, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINA MANNING.

CAN YOU JUST WORK YOUR WAY UP PLEASE?

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ED, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES.

MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

HEY, IT'S, WHO'S IN CHARGE? EXCUSE ME.

UH, MY MISTAKE.

YOU HAVE TO, UH, START WITH YOUR NAME, RESIDENT.

MY NAME IS ED LER AND I'M A CITIZEN OF SEDONA.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

MY QUESTION IS, WHO'S IN CHARGE LATER THIS AFTERNOON? THE CULTURAL PARK MATTER WILL COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, BUT I HAVE SEEN REPORTS IN THE RED ROCK NEWS THAT WORK HAS ALREADY STARTED WITHOUT ALL THE APPROVALS.

SO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? AS CITIZENS, WE HAVE TO GET APPROVALS FROM THE CITY TO DO MAJOR WORK.

SO WHY DOES CITY STAFF GET TO GO OFF AND GET WORK STARTED BEFORE ALL THE I'S ARE DOTTED AND THE T'S ARE CROSSED? THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IS THERE A TWO TIER SYSTEM HERE? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CITY GETS TO RUN AMUCK OR IS THIS HYPOCRISY AND ARROGANCE THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE PROCESSES? WHY HAVE THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL NOT DIRECTED THE CITY MANAGER TO STOP THIS VIOLATION OF PROCESS? IF YOU EXPECT US TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND THE ORDINANCES, THEN THE CITY SHOULD TOO.

YOU ARE GOVERNED AND YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB AS GOVERNANCE TO STOP SOMETHING.

IT'S NOT FOLLOWING THE PROCESS.

IF YOU EXPECT US TO FOLLOW RULES, YOU SHOULD TOO.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE AS RIGHT NOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE INMATES ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM AND THE OPTICS OF THIS ARE VERY, VERY POOR.

MR. K.

CHRISTINA MANNING WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CHRIS AS A GALLO.

THESE ARE ALL SPECIFIC TO ANOTHER ISSUE THOUGH.

NO, THIS IS, NO, THIS IS ALL, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS IS WHAT'S THAT? NO, THAT WAS, BUT THAT ONE WAS NOT.

WELL, RIGHT, BUT HE HE WASN'T SPECIFIC.

CHRISTINA MANNING.

YES, YOU'RE UP.

AND CHRIS, UH, GRILLO GALLO, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY.

WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT HERE, BY THE TIME I CALL YOUR NAME, MAYBE YOU'RE OUTSIDE IN THE LOBBY.

UH, CHRISTINA AGAIN, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MY NAME IS KRISTI MANNING AND I AM A RESIDENT OF ST.

PAUL MINNESOTA.

BUT MY MOTHER IS A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND I'M HERE VISITING HER AND I, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT STEVE SPOKE ABOUT.

I AM A PROFESSOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY AT A SMALL COLLEGE IN ST.

PAUL, MINNESOTA.

I STUDY CLIMATE ANXIETY, AND MANY OF US IN THIS ROOM PROBABLY KNOW A YOUNG PERSON WHO IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR FUTURE.

I WORK WITH A LOT OF THEM.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE NEARLY PARALYZED BY WORRY BECAUSE THEY SEE CLIMATE CHANGE ADVANCING AND THEY SEE A LACK OF ACTION IN RESPONSE.

MANY OF US ARE WORRIED, MANY OF US WHO ARE OLDER THAN THE COLLEGE STUDENTS I WORK WITH ARE WORRIED, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.

RIGHT? AND WHAT STEVE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHERE WE DO OUR BANKING HAS A HUGE IMPACT BECAUSE BANKS, WELLS FARGO IS ONE OF THE TOP.

CITIBANK IS ANOTHER.

CHASE BANK IS ANOTHER.

THEY ARE LOANING OUR MONEY TO THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY, CREATING MORE FRACKING, UM, MORE PIPELINES, MORE COAL-FIRED POWER PLANTS.

AND BY CHANGING WHERE WE DO OUR MONEY BUSINESS, WE TAKE AWAY THEIR POWER TO RUIN YOUNG PEOPLE'S FUTURES.

SO I JUST WANNA SPEAK IN FAVOR OF WHAT STEVE IS ASKING COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, TO CONSIDER DOING, AND AS WELL AS EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, THAT IT IS A, A RELATIVELY SMALL THING THAT WE CAN DO AS INDIVIDUALS THAT HAS AN OUTSIZE IMPACT.

AND THERE ARE MANY YOUNG PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WOULD BE GRATEFUL TO SEE THE ADULTS IN THE ROOM, WHO HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR FUTURE TO ACTUALLY TAKE POSITIVE ACTION.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, AND SO GLAD TO BE HERE WITH YOU IN SEDONA.

THANK YOU, CHRISTINA.

OKAY, LAST CALL FOR CHRIS GALLO GRILLO.

UH, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK TO THE, JUST THE PUBLIC COMMENT OF THAT'S NOT ON, UH, FOR SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA? YOU HAVE ANY MORE, UH, CARDS? NO.

THEN WE WILL CLOSE OUT.

THE PUBLIC FORUM WILL MOVE TO PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.

WE HAVE TWO.

I'M REALLY PROUD OF THESE.

AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH, WE HAVE TIMOTHY ESPINOZA, DAVE OLIVAR, AND KAREN PENAL PRI PERMIT.

UH,

[7.a. Proclamation, American Red Cross Month, March 2024.]

THAT WORKS.

THEY'RE OUTSIDE IN THE LOBBY, SO GIVE THEM A LITTLE LEEWAY TO GET IN.

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COME COME RIGHT UP FRONT HERE.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

THESE PEOPLE DON'T BITE.

BELIEVE ME, .

GOOD EVENING.

WELL, I'M GONNA READ THE PROCLAMATION AND THEN WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO RESPOND.

AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH, MARCH, 2024.

WHEREAS DURING AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH IN MARCH, WE RECOGNIZED THE COMPASSION OF PEOPLE IN SEDONA AND REAFFIRM OUR COMMITMENT TO CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER IN TIMES OF CRISIS.

WHEREAS THIS GENEROUS SPIRIT IS WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ADVANCES THE HUMAN HUMANITARIAN LEGACY OF AMERICAN RED CROSS FOUNDER CLARA BARTON, ONE OF THE MOST HONORED WOMEN IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY, WHO NOBLE DEDICATED HERSELF TO ALLEVIATING SUFFERING.

WHEREAS TODAY, KINDHEARTED INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY EXEMPLIFY BARTON'S COMMITMENT AS THEY STEP UP THROUGH THE, UH, ARIZONA NORTHERN, UH, I'M SORRY, ARIZONA, I GUESS NEW MEXICO REGION, TO PROVIDE A BEACON OF HOPE FOR OUR NEIGHBORS IN NEED.

THROUGH THEIR VOLUNTARY AND SELFLESS CONTRIBUTIONS, THEY MAKE A LIFESAVING DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S DARKEST HOURS, WHETHER IT'S DELIVERING SHELTER FOOD COMFORT DURING DISASTERS, PROVIDING CRITICAL BLOOD DONATIONS FOR HOSPITAL PATIENTS, SUPPORTING MILITARY FAMILIES, VETERANS, AND CAREGIVERS.

THROUGH THE UNIQUE CHALLENGES OF SERVICE SAVING LIVES WITH FIRST AID CPR ARE THE SKILLS AND OR DELIVERING AID AND RECONNECTING LOVED ONES, UH, SEPARATED BY GLOBAL CRISIS.

WHEREAS WE HEREBY RECOGNIZE THIS MONTH OF MARCH IN HONOR OF THOSE WHO LEAD WITH THEIR HEARTS TO SERVE PEOPLE IN NEED.

WE ASK EVERYONE TO JOIN IN THIS COMMITMENT TO STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY.

NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT BLO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH, 2024 AS RED CROSS MONTH.

I ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS IN SEDONA TO REACH OUT AND SUPPORT ITS HUMANITARIAN MISSION ISSUED TODAY, THIS 12TH DAY OF MARCH, 2024.

SOMEBODY, LET'S GET OVER HERE.

THAT'S MY JOB.

A HE SHOULD GO AROUND TO THE THANK YOU MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS RED CROSS IS INDEED A MAJOR ORGANIZATION ON THIS GLOBE, DOMESTICALLY US WE ARE 18,000 EMPLOYEES, BUT THE SPIRIT OF THE RED CROSS IS OUR OVER 200,000 VOLUNTEERS.

WHAT YOU SEE BEHIND ME NEXT TO ME IS THE SPIRIT OF THE RED CROSS.

WE DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE SHORT, TALL, WHITE, BLACK, BROWN, OR GREEN.

IF YOU NEED HELP, WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE.

I'D LIKE TO SPEND JUST A FEW MINUTES TO PROPER, SAY, EDUCATE YOU.

WHATEVER WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF SERVICE.

THERE ARE FIVE MAIN PARTS TO THE RED CROSS.

FIRST IS DISASTER SERVICES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KNOWN FOR.

I HAVE BEEN WITH THE RED CROSS SINCE 2006.

I HAVE WORKED KATRINA SUPERSTORM SANDY, THE LIGHTEST, UH, HURRICANES IN FLORIDA AND FIRES IN CALIFORNIA.

I SEEN THE SAME PEOPLE THERE SOME OF THE TIME, BUT I'VE MADE SOME FAST FRIENDS.

BLOOD, BLOOD IS THE BACKBONE OF THE RED CROSS.

YOU DONATE, WE PROCESS AND WE DELIVER 45% OF THE BLOOD THAT'S USED IN EMERGENCY ROOMS AND HOSPITALS TRAINING.

WE ARE BELIEVERS IN HUMANITY.

WE TRAIN PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THINGS WITHIN THEIR HOUSEHOLD.

THERE ARE 22 CLASSES AMONGST THEM ARE CHILDCARE, FIRST AID, CPR.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE AWARE AHEAD OF THE ACCIDENT TO PREVENT THE ACCIDENT SERVICE TO THE ARMED FORCES.

THERE'S A STORY GOING ABOUT THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS COUNTRY, FAR, FAR AWAY THAT HAD THIS HIDDEN KIND OF THING AS THEY'RE WORKING THE INTELLIGENCE, THIS YOUNG MAN WAS CALLED IN BY THE COMPANY COMMANDER SAYING, THE OLD MAN WANTS TO SEE YOU.

HE WALKED INTO THE COLONEL'S OFFICE AND HE SAID, HOW DID YOUR MOM GET THIS TELEPHONE NUMBER? SHE CAME THROUGH THE RED CROSS.

THE KID HAD NOT TALKED TO HIS MOM IN SIX MONTHS.

SHE WAS WORRIED.

WE WORKED THROUGH

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INTERNATIONAL SERVICE.

WE PROVIDE SUPPORT TO 120 GROUPS OUT THERE.

LET ME RECHANGE THAT.

IN THE EVENT OF A DISASTER, WE'LL PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS AND THE RED CRESCENT.

THERE ARE OVER 120 COUNTRIES PARTICIPATING IN THAT.

LET ME COME BACK TO BLOOD AND DONATIONS.

THAT IS THE BACKBONE OF THE MONIES WE EARN.

COLLECTING BLOOD, PROCESSING BLOOD TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE AND DELIVERING IT TO USE TO SAVE LIVES.

EACH OF YOU IS A CANTEEN OF BLOOD AND A COURT GOES A LONG WAY.

AND ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR, THE VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL PEOPLE FOR THIS DECLARATION THAT REALLY DESCRIBED, AND SOMEBODY PUT SOME WORK INTO THAT DOCUMENT TO DESCRIBE WHAT THE SPIRIT OF THE REST RED CROSS PROVIDES.

[7.b. Proclamation, Verde Valley Stand Down, March 27, 2024]

ANOTHER, UH, PROCLAMATION.

JOHN DAVIS AND JACK ROSS, PLEASE COME UP.

BOTH OF THESE ARE FRIENDS OF MINE AND THEY DO FABULOUS WORK FOR OUR VETERANS.

I'M VERY PROUD TO OFFER THIS PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA DEEPLY RESPECTS AND HONORS THE AMERICAN VETERAN.

AND WHEREAS SEDONA HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROCLAIMED A PURPLE HEART CITY AND IS SINCERELY THANKFUL FOR OUR COMBAT WOUNDED.

AND WHEREAS THE VERDE VALLEY STAND DOWN WILL BE HELD WEDNESDAY, MARCH 27TH, 20, UH, 24, IN COOPERATION WITH THE VERDE, VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES, AND THE VERDE VALLEY VETERANS SERVICE ORGANIZATION.

WHEREAS THE VERDE VALLEY STAND DOWN IS AN OUTREACH PROGRAM DESIGNED TO ASSIST VETERANS IN THE BETTERMENT OF THEIR LIVES AND WELLBEING.

AND WHEREAS THE VERDE VALLEY STAND DOWN PROVIDES SOMETHING FOR EVERY VETERAN AND THEIR FAMILIES, AND CONNECTS THOSE WHO ARE HOMELESS AND AT RISK WITH ESSENTIAL AND CRITICAL SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THEM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS THE VERDE VALLEY STAND DOWN PROVIDES MANY AMENITIES AND BENEFITS, INCLUDING HYGIENE AND HEALTH SUPPLIES, UH, SURPLUS GEAR AND CLOTHING, VISION, HEARING, DENTAL AND MEDICAL ASSISTANCE, HAIRCUTS, VETERAN ENROLLMENT, VETERANS COURT INFORMATION, COVID RELATED ASSISTANCE, ALCOHOL, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, COUNSELING, AND MUCH MORE.

WHEREAS THIS ANNUAL EVENT IS A COMMUNITY SERVICE FOR ALL VETERANS WHO SERVE HONORABLY AND WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE VERDE VALLEY VETERANS WITH THE, UH, CEREMONY AT THE SEDONA ELKS LODGE.

20, UH, 2291 THAT'S RIGHT HERE IN SEDONA, LOCATED ONE 10 AIRPORT ROAD.

NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT JALO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM VERDE VALLEY, STAND DOWN AS A COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT OF THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES AND CALL UPON ALL CITIZENS TO RESPECTFULLY ASSIST AMERICAN VETERANS ISSUED THIS 12TH DAY OF MARCH 20, 24.

SECOND.

WE GOT ANYTIME.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS JOHN DAVISON.

I REPRESENT NORTHERN ARIZONA VETERAN STAND DOWNS.

WE'VE BEEN DOING STAND DOWNS IN NORTHERN ARIZONA FOR 13 YEARS.

THIS ACTUALLY IS OUR THIRD YEAR DOING IT IN THE VERDE VALLEY.

WE'VE BEEN ROTATING COMMUNITIES.

SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT SEDONA IS OUR HOST COMMUNITY, UM, THIS YEAR.

AND, AND WE'RE, I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THIS BECAUSE THE PROCLAMATION SAID IT ALL REALLY.

BUT ANYWAY, WE THANK YOU FOR THE RESPECT THAT YOU HAVE FOR VETERANS.

WE THANK YOU FOR, UH, UH, HOSTING THIS, THIS EVENT.

CITY OF SEDONA MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND, AND THE SUPPORT OF YOUR STAFF.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND WE'D LIKE ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE SEDONA AREA, AREA VETERAN AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WHICH IS ACRONYM IS SAFECO.

JACK ROSS IS HERE.

DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? YES.

THANK YOU, JOHN.

I DO WANT TO THANK JOHN PERSONALLY, UH, THE MILITARY ORDER OF PURPLE HEARTS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA FOR INCLUDING SAFECO IN THIS GREAT PROGRAM.

AND SEDONA, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE VETERAN NEIGHBORS AND YOU MAY BE VETERANS YOURSELVES.

IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND FIND OUT WHAT PROGRAMS

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CAN ASSIST YOU AND MAKE YOUR LIFE BETTER.

IT'LL BE A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT JOHN HAS ORGANIZED TO COME TO THE ELKS ON THE 27TH.

IT'S A WEDNESDAY, NINE TO 1400, TWO O'CLOCK.

THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH AND I'LL SEE YOU ALL AT THE EVENT.

ITEM EIGHT, REGULAR BUSINESS EIGHT A.

[8.a. AB 2719 Presentation/public hearing/discussion/possible direction regarding the draft Community Plan and adoption of the Community Plan 2023. (Part 1 of 2)]

ITEM EIGHT, A AB 27 19 PRESENTATION, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE DRAFT COMMUNITY PLAN AND ADOPTION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN 2023.

JUST TO LET YOU, EVERYBODY HERE KNOW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO MOVE THROUGH THIS.

AND THEY WON'T MOVE THE ITEM TILL TOMORROW.

SO WE CAN HAVE ALL THE MORE TIME TO HEAR PEOPLE FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, TIME FOR PEOPLE TO BE HEARD.

SO, UM, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE, UH, EIGHT, A FEW CARDS, FIVE CARDS, I BELIEVE.

SO, UH, MIKE, UH, MCCARTHY IF YOU'RE IN THE ROOM HERE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK PEOPLE TO, UH, AGAIN, START WITH YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND, UM, STAY WITHIN THE THREE MINUTES, NOT TO GO BEYOND.

AND WE HAVE ECK, UH, JEAN, UH, LEY, IF YOU CAN COME UP.

UH, MIKE, YOU, YOU'RE UP FOR THREE MINUTES.

I'M MIKE MCCARTHY.

I'M BOTH A SCOTTSDALE AND A SEDONA RESIDENT ON STEADILY HILL.

ON, UH, WHERE WALLOW LANE DOWN THERE.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE FOR YOUR PLAN IS TO SEE IF YOU CAN ADD OR LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE, UH, ADDITIONAL LOOKING AT SOUND POLLUTION, SOUND MITIGATION.

UM, I KNOW OTHER CITIES LIKE SCOTTSDALE ARE TACKLING THIS NOW.

IT'S BECOMING A BIG PROBLEM.

I LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S PLENTY OF SOUND POLLUTION FROM THE HOTELS BLASTING ME WITH, UH, MUSIC FROM WEDDINGS.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND WE MAKING SOME PROGRESS, BUT IT'S STILL THERE.

SO I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU COULD ADD THAT IN.

I'D APPRECIATE THAT THERE TOO.

I'D BE GLAD TO BE ON A COMMITTEE WITH YOU ON THAT.

THE SECOND ISSUE I HAD IS IN, UH, THE EPLEY HILLS CFA, THERE'S A PLAN FOR A TRAIL BIKE TRAIL WALKING TRAIL, UH, THROUGH THE CREEK AND UP THE BARE WALL OF WASH.

AND, UH, WHEN THE CFA WAS WORKING ON HIS PLAN, WE ALL SENT LETTERS FROM THE WHOLE AREA.

NOT A GOOD IDEA.

UH, IT'S DANGEROUS.

UH, EVEN I WON'T WALK ALONG THERE.

IT'S ALSO PRIVATE LAND, UH, BECAUSE THE CREEK COMES THROUGH AND CHANGES AS A VERY ROUGH PART OF THE CREEK.

WE CALL THE CITY PLANNERS WHEN THE CFA WAS GOING ON, AND WE SAID IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, BASICALLY WE GOT THAT THIS WAS JUST A PUBLIC RELATIONS KIND OF THING.

SO I'M ASKING THROUGH TO EXCLUDE THAT FROM THE PLAN THAT'S REFERENCED IN YOUR PLAN.

AND SECONDLY, IT RUNS UP BARE WHILE A WASH, WHICH CAN BE SOMETIMES SIX FOOT DEEP, SOMETIMES FILLED IN.

BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM IS FLASH FLOODS THERE, YOU'LL HEAR A SOUND.

IMAGINE A FREIGHT TRAIN IN THIS ROOM, AND YOU HAVE NINE SECONDS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.

I'VE HEARD IT THREE OR FOUR SECONDS.

YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT THAT IS.

THAT GIVES YOU FOUR OR FIVE SECONDS TO GET UP THE HILLS.

SO WHILE IT'S A GOOD DREAM, IT'S REALLY NOT PRACTICAL.

SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE A DREAM IN ANOTHER PLACE? TAKE THIS OFF THE MAP.

UH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, AS YOU WORK ON THIS.

OKAY, JEAN AND THEN MIRIAM, UH, WECKER LEE.

I'M MIRIAM WECKER LEE.

UM, JEAN'S MY HUSBAND.

SO I'LL BE TALKING TODAY FOR BOTH OF YOU.

FOR BOTH OF US.

THAT'LL BE THREE MINUTES EACH.

NO, WELL, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANT.

I MEAN, I, I WOULD, BUT IF YOU, IF HE'S, IS HE HERE? YES.

SO HE'S GOING TO TALK FOR, OH, YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE GONNA TALK FOR SIX MINUTES IS WHAT YOU, OKAY.

I JUST WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

WE HAVE TO, I, I, I WON'T OVERTALK I WILL JUST STATE WHAT I NEED TO SAY AND THEN I WILL PUT THE NEXT PERSON.

BUT WE HAVE TO SET THE CLOCK APPROPRIATELY.

THERE'S A DOZEN HOMES THERE, AND WE OWN THE PROPERTY.

SO, GO AHEAD.

UM, MY NAME IS MIRIAM ACKERLEY.

WE HAVE A HOME THAT W WE BUILT 40 YEARS AGO ON, UH, THE CREEK ACROSS FROM LE BEARS.

AND THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TO MAKE IT A PUBLIC CREEK WALK.

IF I AM HEARING IT RIGHT, AND AGAIN, I'M WITH MIKE.

UM, THE DAMAGE TO THE CREEK WOULD BE OUTRAGEOUS.

NOT ONLY WITH EROSION OF THE CREEK BY HAVING SO MANY PEOPLE YOU WOULD BE HAVING TO TRESPASS THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY.

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AND FOR SOMEONE TO JUST COME ALONG WITH 12 FEET OF CREEK WALK DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

IT WOULD BE IN MY LIVING ROOM, BASICALLY.

YOU HAVE BEEN MAYOR ON MY DECK.

I HAVE BEEN.

UM, AND IT, IT, I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN THAT PLAY IN THAT YARD.

UM, IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS.

IT, IT ALREADY IS GREEN WITH ALGAE AND POLLUTION FROM WHAT'S GOING ON THAT COMES DOWN THE CREEK, THE NOISE, THE TRAFFIC, THE UM, THE TRESPASSING OF OUR PROPERTY.

WE HAVE SIGNS ALL UP AND DOWN BARE WALLOW.

AND YET PEOPLE CONSTANTLY ARE IN OUR YARDS COMING ACROSS THE CREEK.

I HAD A NEIGHBOR, SOME WOMEN WALKED ACROSS THE CREEK FROM THE OTHER SIDE, PEED IN A BUCKET AND THREW IT ON HER, ON HER DECK.

THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT DOES GO ON WHEN YOU HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST.

MY HUSBAND AND THE MEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CLEAN THAT CREEK OUT EVERY SINGLE YEAR AFTER THE FLOODS.

EVERY SINGLE, EVERY SINGLE, UH, SPRING.

AND THERE'S A LOT.

THOSE TREES ARE FALLING DOWN, UM, BECAUSE OF THE EROSION WE HAVE LOST ACROSS THE CREEK TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE 200 YEARS OLD THAT HAVE JUST FALLEN INTO THE CREEK AND IT'S ERODED.

ANY OF YOU ARE INVITED TO COME AND LOOK, BUT TO OPEN IT UP TO THE MASSES.

AND I THINK THIS CITY NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, NOT THE, THE THREE TO 6 MILLION PEOPLE THAT COME TO VISIT.

JUST COMING DOWN TO THIS MEETING THIS EVENING WAS A NIGHTMARE.

AND THE TRAFFIC GOING THAT WAY WAS SOLID COMING BOTH WAYS.

MAYBE THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED MORE THAN ANY OTHER ISSUE AT ALL IN THIS CITY.

FOR ALL OF US, FOR ALL OF US AND THE TOURISTS.

BUT TO OPEN IT UP AND POLLUTE IT CAUSE MORE BACTERIAL GROWTH, CAUSE MORE EROSION.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS THAT FOR THAT BEAUTIFUL, INCREDIBLE CREEK THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE.

THERE ARE OPEN SPACES, UM, SLIDE ROCK.

WHOA, THAT, THAT HASN'T WORKED OUT VERY WELL.

UM, AND, AND THERE'S RESTAURANTS, THERE'S, THERE'S CAMPING GROUNDS.

PEOPLE WANNA SEE THE CREEK.

THERE ARE WAYS TO SEE IT AND THEY'RE OPEN.

BUT I WOULD, I WOULD PRAY AND HOPE, AND WE WILL AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, PRESERVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL COSTS BECAUSE IT IS SO IMPORTANT, NOT ONLY FOR US, BUT FOR THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY.

MIM ERNIE TRO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, CRAIG SWANSON.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR JABOT, VICE MAYOR PLU AND COUNSELORS.

I'M ERNIE STRAU, A SEDONA RESIDENT FOR 26 YEARS, FORMER S VICE MAYOR AND CURRENT MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN WORKING GROUP.

I MENTIONED THIS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN EACH OF THE LAST THREE COMMUNITY PLANS.

BEFORE I CONTINUE AND MAKE SOME VERY STRONG STATEMENTS, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I AM ABSOLUTELY NOT CRITICAL OF CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, SOUTHWEST DECISION RESOURCES, NOR ANY MEMBER OF THE WORKING GROUP.

IF ANYTHING, I THINK WE ALL EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS, BUT YOU, MY FRIENDS, HAVE BEEN PLACED IN A STRANGE CONUNDRUM.

AS YOU KNOW, BY ARIZONA STATUTE, YOU MUST COMPLETE A COMMUNITY PLAN EVERY 10 YEARS.

HOWEVER, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 30 YEARS, THE COMMUNITY IS NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR OR AGAINST APPROVING THE PLAN THAT IS DESIGNED TO GUIDE YOU IN YOUR FORMAL DECISION MAKING.

ONLY YOU GET TO APPROVE YOUR OWN GUIDANCE PLAN.

AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR GUIDANCE PLAN AT ANY TIME, YOU CAN JUST CHANGE IT WITH A MAJOR AMENDMENT.

SO COINCIDENTALLY ALSO, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 30 YEARS AS A SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN, OR SEDONA HAS A SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN, ENCOURAGED OUR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER EXPANDING CITY LIMITS BY ANNEXATION OF ADDITIONAL PRIVATE LANDS.

I PASSED OUT SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU SEE ITEM EIGHT, PAGE 48 OF DRAFT NUMBER

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FOUR.

CONVERSELY, THE COMMUNITY PLAN CURRENT ONE SAYS ON PAGE 25, SINCE INCORPORATION IN 1988, THE CITY HAS NOT PURSUED ANY ANNEXATION OF ADJOINING LAND.

ALSO, A KEY ISSUE, UH, STATED ON THE SAME PAGE IS DESIRE TO GROW ONLY WITHIN CURRENT LIMITS.

NEITHER PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS NOR THE GROUP WORKING GROUP EVER ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF WHETHER SEDONA SHOULD ATTEMPT TO GROW OUTSIDE OUR CURRENT BOUNDARIES.

WHEN BROUGHT UP BY P AND Z, I USED MY THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AGAINST OPENING THIS CAN OF WORMS TO OBVIOUSLY NO AVAIL.

NEW COUNCILS MAY ACCEPT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD MORE SPRAWL AND CONGESTION TO THE VERDE VALLEY AS COTTONWOOD DID WITH SPRING CREEK RANCH.

SO I URGE AND IMPLORE YOU TO REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH ALL PREVIOUS PLANS.

AND STRIKE THE EIGHTH LAND USE ACTION ON PAGE 48.

UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE, UM, ERNIE I THINK KNOWS THIS, BUT I WILL SAY IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL YOU IN THE ROOM.

THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY PLAN APPROVED BY VOTERS ONLY APPLIES IN STATE LAW TO COMMUNITIES OVER 10,000 PEOPLE.

SEDONA LOST POPULATION.

IT'S LESS THAN 10,000.

AND WE, FOR TWO YEARS, LAST YEAR, WE TRIED TO GET THE, THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO ALLOW US TO PUT THE MEASURE OF COMMUNITY PANEL APPROVAL BEFORE THE VOTERS, AS WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE, THE STATE LEGISLATURE DIDN'T DO IT.

THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT, THEY DIDN'T DO IT.

UH, AND WE HAVE NO LEGAL MECHANISM TO DO THAT.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE CITY DECIDED NOT TO DO THIS.

WE WERE, I AGREE.

THANK YOU ERNIE.

WE WERE PROHIBITED BY STATE LAW AND WE ARE TRYING AGAIN THIS YEAR TO GET THAT AMENDMENT, TO GET THAT CHANGE IN THE LAW THAT WILL ALLOW US TO ONCE AGAIN PUT IT BEFORE THE VOTERS.

BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T US GANG, IT WAS YOUR STATE LEGISLATURE.

AND WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AHEAD AND TRIED TO DO IT LAST YEAR AND THEY REFUSED.

SO I JUST WROTE TO CORRECT THE RECORD.

DO, DO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH US? WE REALLY WANT YOU TO VOTE ON IT.

WE DON'T EVEN, WE'RE NOT EVEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY.

WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO.

ANYWAY.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD.

I'M NOT TAKING, I CAN'T TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

PLEASE.

UH, CRAIG, YOU'RE UP AND YOU HAVE, UH, ROGER EASTMAN WILL BE FOLLOW, WILL BE FOLLOWING YOU.

CRAIG.

MY NAME IS CRAIG SWANSON.

I'M A RESIDENT OF, UH, SEDONA AND I'M REPRESENTING KEEP SEDONA BEAUTIFUL.

I WAS GONNA SECOND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE STATE NOT REQUIRING, NOT ALLOWING THE CITY TO DO THAT.

IT'S CLEARLY IN THE STATUTE.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY PARENTHETICALLY, THAT THE REASON COTTONWOOD AND X SPRING CREEK RANCH IS SO THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ENCIRCLE THE STATE TRUST LAND THERE.

SO IF AND WHEN THAT IS EVER SOLD, IT CAN BE ANNEXED INTO COTTONWOOD.

THAT WAS THEIR REASON FOR ANNEXING THAT LAND.

I'M GONNA KEEP MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE PLAN SHORT.

I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD PLAN.

I THINK THE FAILING IN IT NOW, WHICH IS RECTIFIABLE, IS READABILITY.

THERE ARE TOO MANY BULLET POINTS IT DOESN'T READ WELL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE PLAN.

AND I URGE YOU TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE PLAN IN TERMS OF ADJUSTING THE LANGUAGE OF IT FOR READABILITY, PARTICULARLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT USED TO READING A COMMUNITY PLAN.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

IS REALLY ONE OF YOUR MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS BECAUSE THIS IS EVERY 10 YEARS WHEN YOU DECIDE THE FUTURE OF SEDONA, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE HERE, HOW THE RESIDENTS ARE AFFECTED BY GROWTH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

THANK YOU, CRAIG.

OKAY, ROGER, UH, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY KATHLEEN.

TODD, IF YOU CAN COME UP, STAND SOMEWHERE NEARBY.

KATHLEEN TODD, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, JUST STAND NEARBY, ROGER.

THREE MINUTES.

YOU KNOW THE DRILL.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, GOOD TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING.

ROGER EASTMAN, 80 PEAKY DRIVE, JUST DOWN THE ROAD HERE IN SEDONA.

SO THIS IS A BIG NIGHT FOR YOU.

THE ADOPTION OR AMENDMENT OF A GENERAL PLAN, OR OUR SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN

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SO I WANNA GO BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT TO 1893.

THE WORLD'S COLUMBIA EXPOSITION IN CHICAGO.

AND DANIEL BURNHAM.

DANIEL BURNHAM, THE FATHER OF PLANNING AND IN THE UNITED STATES SAID, MAKE NO LITTLE PLANS.

THEY HAVE NO MAGIC TO STIR MEN'S BLOOD, MAKE BIG PLANS, AIM HIGH IN WORK, AND HOPE LOFTY WORDS.

BUT TODAY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY MAKE THOSE BIG PLANS THAT DANIEL BURNHAM WAS INTENDING WITHOUT FIRST TAKING BABY STEPS.

MARY AND I HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

AND WHILE I THINK THE HOUSING GOAL IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN REALLY IS A WORTHY GOAL, IT'S SOLID, IT'S REALISTIC, IT REALLY SETS A BIG AMBITION FOR HOUSING.

I QUESTION SOME OF THE POLICIES IN THE HOUSING SECTION, AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE SOME BABY STEPS TOWARDS GETTING TO THAT REALISTIC HOUSING GOAL.

SPECIFICALLY I'M TALKING ABOUT, AND I WON'T USE ACRONYMS, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

ADU IS THE ACRONYM FOR THAT.

AND I EXPLAINED IN MY LETTER THAT HOPEFULLY YOU ALL RECEIVED WHY I THINK SOME CHANGES, SIMPLE WORD CHANGES IN THE POLICY STATEMENT AND THE ACTION STATEMENT WILL HELP US TAKE THAT BABY STEP FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

WE ALREADY ALLOW A DU, EXCUSE ME, GUEST HOUSES.

GUEST HOUSES ARE REALLY ADUS WITHOUT THAT FULL KITCHEN, WITHOUT THE STOVE.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE THEM AND THEY PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR A LIVING UNIT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL OR A COUPLE.

SO YES, AS THE MAYOR AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT, A DU THAT GUEST HOUSE COULD BECOME A VACATION RENTAL AND THE CITY CAN DO VERY LITTLE ABOUT IT.

MAYBE NOTHING ABOUT IT.

BUT I THINK THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE NEGATIVES.

THE OWNER LIVES ON THE PROPERTY IN THE MAIN HOUSE OR IN THE A DU.

NOW, LET'S FACE IT, WE'RE ALL AGING.

AND IF WE PROVIDE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE ON THEIR PROPERTIES, POTENTIALLY AN OLDER COUPLE COULD MOVE INTO THE A DU AND THEIR FAMILY COULD LIVE IN THE BIGGER HOUSE OR VICE VERSA.

AND EVEN IF THE A DU OR THE GUEST HOUSE BECOMES A A VACATION RENTAL, THERE'S STILL SOMEBODY LIVING ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THE PROBLEMS OF THOSE BIG PARTY HOUSES ARE MITIGATED AND WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS RATHER THAN THE HOUSE BEING EMPTY FOR AN UNSPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME.

SO I'VE OBVIOUSLY RUN OUT OF TIME, BUT I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, TO THINK ABOUT LETTING ADUS BECOME PART OF OUR POLICY.

KATHLEEN TODD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE THOMAS.

THANK YOU, ROGER.

HELLO, MY NAME IS CATHERINE TODD AND I ACTUALLY LIVE IN SEDONA.

GOOD.

UM, SO I DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF TIME 'CAUSE I WORKED DURING THE DAY AND I WAS JUST TOLD ABOUT THIS MEETING.

SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF THIS DOESN'T SOUND QUITE RIGHT.

UM, SO I FEEL THAT WE AS SEDONA RESIDENTS SHOULD HAVE MORE OF A SAY IN WHAT THE CITY PLANS.

BECAUSE WHEN I WENT TO THE OPEN HOUSE, THERE WERE PEOPLE USING THE STICKY NOTES, UH, TO VOTE YES OR NO ON THE HOT BUTTON POINTS, WHO LIVE OUT OF STATE, UH, WHO'S WHO VOTE IN THEIR OWN HOMETOWNS AND THEY CAN THEY, THEIR VOTE COUNTED IN OUR SEDONA CITY PLAN.

AND I WATCHED THEM DO IT.

AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND THEN I ASKED, UM, SOMEBODY LIKE, HOW ARE, ARE YOU GUYS COUNTING THESE? ARE YOU, ARE THESE ACTUALLY COUNTING AS SOMETHING? AND THEY SAID, YES, THESE, THESE STICKY NOTES COUNT, WHICH I WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF SHOCKED AT.

UM, SECOND POINT, UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE CULTURAL PARK SHOULD BE USED FOR EITHER LOW INCOME HOUSING OR THE HOMELESS CAR PARKING.

WE PAID 21, EXCUSE ME, $23 MILLION FOR THE PURCHASE.

AND IT SHOULD BE USED FOR THE BENEFIT OF SEDONA RESIDENTS, NOT PEOPLE WHO DESIRE TO LIVE IN SEDONA.

UH, AND THEN I ALSO, UH, HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE TERM WORKFORCE HOUSING.

PEOPLE ARE KEEP USING IT, UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING.

AND SO EVERYBODY'S BEHIND, LET'S GET WORKFORCE HOUSING.

UM, BUT I'VE SAT IN ON A MEETING, UM, THAT WAS, UH, ABOUT CHANGING THE ZONING BEHIND THE STA OR NEXT TO STAGE COACH.

AND THE LAWYER REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER SAID THAT ALTHOUGH THEY'RE CALLING A WORKFORCE HOUSING, THEY CANNOT LIMIT THE HOUSING TO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SEDONA.

SO IT'S NOT WORKFORCE HOUSING.

SO AT THE SEDONA PLANNING OPEN HOUSE, I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH MAYOR

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JALO AND, AND ASKED IF WE COULD LIMIT THE TAXPAYER FUNDED HOUSING.

'CAUSE THAT'S TRULY WHAT IT WILL BE TO POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS AND HEALTHCARE WORKERS AND TEACHERS AND PEOPLE WHO WE REALLY NEED HERE.

AND THAT THE TAXPAYERS WOULD BE THRILLED TO PULL IN THAT THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA WOULD BENEFIT FROM.

UM, AND NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THE SEDONA TOURISM, BUT THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS OF SEDONA BENEFIT FROM HAVING THESE TEACHERS AND HEALTHCARE WORKERS AND POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS AND TRUE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

BUT I WAS TOLD, UM, THAT DUE TO HOUSING LAWS, THERE CAN BE NO LIMIT TO EMPLOYMENT AND THAT, SO IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY FORM OF TAXPAYER FUNDED HOUSING UNLESS WE CAN GUARANTEE THAT ONLY PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SEDONA SHOULD BE GRANTED ACCESS.

THANK YOU KATHLEEN.

UH, MICHELLE THOMAS WILL BE OH YEAH, AND THEN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY UH, CAROL WYATT.

WYATT.

CAROL WYATT WILL BE NEXT.

UH, MICHELLE, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE.

I'M MICHELLE THOMAS AND I LIVE IN, UM, SCOTTSDALE.

I'M HERE FOR MY GRANDPA.

UM, HE HAS WHERE SCOTTSDALE IS WHERE I LIVE, BUT I'M HERE FOR MY GRANDPA WHO HAS A HOUSE IN SEDONA.

AND, UM, I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS, CONCERNS REGARDING THE COMMUNITY FOCUS PLAN.

YOU GUYS PUT THE POTENTIAL FOR PUBLIC CREEK ACCESS OR CREEKSIDE PARK.

IT'S VERY VAGUE.

IS THIS FOR TOURISTS? HOW ARE YOU GUYS GONNA KEEP IT CLEAN? WHAT ABOUT PORTA-POTTIES TRASH, I MEAN SLIDE ROCK, IT'S CLOSED MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR DUE TO POLLUTION.

ARE YOU GUYS GONNA POLLUTE THE CREEK IN THE SAME SENSE? UM, YOU GUYS PUT AGAIN, THE ANNEXATION OF LAND, EXPANDING CITY LIMITS.

IT'S VERY VAGUE.

WHAT LAND ARE YOU GUYS TRYING TO TAKE? HOW ARE YOUR MEANS OF GETTING IT? IS IT IMMINENT DOMAIN? WHAT ARE YOU PAYING FOR IT? HOW DO THE RESIDENTS GET TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENED WITH IT? UM, NEXT POINT IS, UH, FOR THE, UM, YOU GUYS PUT PURSUE WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPER TO ENSURE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PRESERVES THE OAK CREEK CORRIDOR, INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL FOR CITY ACQUISITION FOR PERMANENT PROTECTION.

YOU GUYS DON'T PROTECT WHAT YOU HAVE.

YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO PUT A HOMELESS PARK IN A PARKING LOT AND NOW YOU WANNA TAKE THE CREEK.

SO ARE YOU GUYS GONNA HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVE ON THE CREEK? ARE THEY GONNA BE TRESPASSING INTO OUR HOUSES? MY GRANDPA BUILT THIS HOUSE BEFORE SEDONA WAS EVEN A CITY.

IT IS HIS PRIDE AND JOY AND I WANNA PROTECT IT FOR HIM.

HE CAN'T BE HERE 'CAUSE HE'S TOO OLD TO MAKE IT UP HERE TO SPEAK, BUT I'M HERE FOR HIM.

UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, YOU GUYS PUT ALL OF THESE THINGS OF PATHWAYS.

THE PATHWAYS ARE AT THE FOOTSTEPS OF HIS HOUSE.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO FOR, YOU KNOW, GOING THE PATHWAY GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE WASH.

RIGHT NEXT TO THE WASH IS MY GRANDPA'S HOUSE.

ARE YOU GUYS GONNA, HOW ARE YOU GONNA STOP THE TRESPASSING? 'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE TRESPASSING AS IT IS.

WE'VE HAD, OUR HOUSE IS BROKEN INTO.

WE'VE HAD TO INSTALL SECURITY CAMERAS, WE'VE HAD STUFF BROKEN.

WE'VE HAD TO GET PEOPLE TO LEAVE OUR DRIVEWAYS THAT THEY'VE DECIDED THAT THEY'RE GONNA CAMP IN.

SO I MEAN, AS A, AS A HOMEOWNER, HE DOESN'T FEEL PROTECTED.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE TRAFFIC YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON THE CFA TO ADD A HOTEL AT THE FOOT OF SNOBBY HILL.

UM, IT'S GONNA BE I THINK LIKE AN 80 SOMETHING ROOM HOTEL.

THE TRAFFIC TO GET INTO SEDONA TODAY TO COME TO THIS MEETING WAS INSANE.

THE ROUNDABOUT ON SCHLEY HILL IS INSANE.

TO ADD ANOTHER HOTEL THAT HAS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COMING TO IT IS INSANE.

THE TRAFFIC IS COMPLETELY OVERWHELMING HERE.

IF YOU TALK TO ANYONE THAT'S A RESIDENT OF ARIZONA, THEY SAY THEY DON'T GO TO SEDONA BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.

THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE ARE OUT OF TOWN AND THEY'RE TOURISTS.

AND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING BEFORE YOU WORK ON ANY PUBLIC ACCESS TO ANYTHING HOMELESS CAMP IS MAKE IT WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.

AND SO THEY CAN GET OUTTA TOWN SAFE.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

IF THERE WAS A FIRE, YOU'D BE STUCK IN TRAFFIC.

AND WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WALK ON FOOT OUTTA TOWN? IT JUST, YOU GUYS' PLANS.

DON'T LOOK FOR PROTECTION OF THE RESIDENTS OR THE HOMEOWNERS.

YOU GUYS ARE ONLY LOOKING AT TOURISM.

MICHELLE.

WE HAVE CAROL WYATT? YES.

HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME? WYATT.

WYATT.

IT IS WYATT.

UNITS IS A WAY TO INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE HOMES IN SEDONA WITHOUT ADDING MORE ACREAGE OR NEEDING TO EXPAND THE, THE CITY BOUNDARIES AT ALL.

IT'S LIKE IF YOU HOLD YOUR NOSE.

THANK, THANK YOU MAYOR.

AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE.

MAYOR, UH, JALO AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I, I WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT AFFORD, ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IN SUPPORT OF THE ADUS OR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING

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UM, MY, MY OLDER SON AND HIS FAMILY LIVE IN MINNEAPOLIS AND THEY, THEY NEEDED TO REPAIR THEIR GARAGE AND WHILE THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, THEY DECIDED TO EXPAND THE GARAGE, ADD A SECOND STORY ONTO IT, AND TO USE IT AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.

UM, AND THEIR IDEA IS THAT THEY WILL RENT IT OUT NOW, BUT THEY ALSO PUT EVERYTHING IN THERE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN SO THAT AS THEY AGE, THEY COULD MOVE INTO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND RENT THEIR HOUSE OUT.

SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT, IT IS A, A WAY TO AGE IN PLACE EVEN AS YOUR SPACE NEEDS DWINDLE.

AND I JUST WANNA SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO THINK MORE ABOUT ADUS.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO, UH, SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT HASN'T ALREADY SPOKEN? OKAY.

WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THAT SESSION.

MR. MAYOR, IF WE COULD JUST CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TILL TOMORROW.

WE WILL CON YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO, TO TOMORROW SO THAT WE, THIS ONE TOPIC.

SO WE CAN GIVE AS MUCH TIME AS WE CAN TO THE, UH, NEXT, UH, ITEM OF SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

WE'LL BE CONTINUING THIS, UH, THIS TOPIC TOMORROW, TWO O'CLOCK.

EVERY, ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SHOW UP TOMORROW FOR THAT ONE TOPIC OR ANY TOPIC? ACTUALLY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.

WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN PORTION TOMORROW, AND WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE NOW WITH THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

OKAY? OKAY.

CAN I ASK YOU TO PLEASE KEEP YOUR VOICES DOWN BECAUSE IT ALL, IT DOES CARRY UP HERE MORE.

ARE THERE ANY CHAIRS OPEN? WELL, WE HAVE HERE BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE STANDING, SO IF THERE'S ANY VACANT SEATS, COULD YOU TELL US WHERE THEY ARE AND THEN PEOPLE COULD COME IN? OKAY.

ITEM B, AB 30 36 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF HIS OWN CHANGE, ZC TO AMEND THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ADD SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM AS PERMITTED USE TO 75 CULTURAL PARK PLACE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE FORMER CULTURAL PARK.

OKAY,

[8.b. AB 3036 Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Zone Change (ZC) to amend an existing PD (Planned Development) to add the “Safe Place to Park” Program as a permitted use at 75 Cultural Park Place (northwest corner of former Cultural Park). The property is within the Western Gateway Community Focus Area, is ±6 acres, and is located northwest corner of the intersection of W State Route 89A and Cultural Park Place. APN: 408-47-009A The requested Zone Change an amendment to the permitted uses in the existing PD (Planned Development). Case Number: PZ24-00002 (ZC) Owner/Applicant: City of Sedona (Shannon Boone).]

THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE WESTERN GATEWAY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA IS, UH, WITH A, UH, SIX, SIX ACRES PLUS, PLUS OR MINUS SIX ACRES, AND IS LOCATED NORTH, THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST 89 A AND CULTURAL PARK PLACE.

OKAY, UH, A PN 40, UH, 4 0 8 4 7 DASH 0 0 9.

A REQUEST ZONE, CHANGE TO AMENDMENT.

UH, THE PERMITTED USES THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S THE, ALL THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, CODES.

AND THE DATE.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE STAFF HERE.

GATEWAY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, UH, OUR PRESENTATION.

YES, THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND MAYORS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

UM, I AM JOINED BY OUR HOUSING STAFF AND WE'RE GONNA, UM, TAG TEAM THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

UM, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE, UM, HAD A WORK SESSION ON THIS ITEM, AND YOU'VE HAD, UM, PACKETS TO READ AND COMMENTS TO READ.

I, WE DON'T WANT TO GO IN TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME GOING INTO ALL OF THOSE DETAILS.

WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

BUT, UM, THIS PRESENTATION, WE'LL JUST GIVE KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

UM, SO AS THE MAYOR STATED, THIS PROJECT IS TO CONSIDER A, UM, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE ALLOWED USES AT, UM, ON A PORTION OF THE CULTURAL PARK, UM, THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE CULTURAL PARK.

UM, AND THIS, THE APPLICANT ON THIS PROJECT IS OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE HERE WITH ME TONIGHT.

UM, THIS PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY IS THIS, UM, CORNER OF THE CULTURAL PARK.

SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE CULTURAL PARK, BUT TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS AREA HERE.

UM, THIS AREA IS PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC AND PLANNED AREA IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND IS ALSO PART OF THE WESTERN

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THE CURRENT ZONING IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS A SITE PLAN SPECIFIC ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR SPECIFICALLY THE USES THAT WERE REVIEWED AND APPROVED WHEN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS THE CULTURAL PARK, UM, CONCERT VENUE.

THIS AREA WAS A PARKING LOT FOR THAT CULTURAL PARK.

UM, SO THAT'S HOW IT WAS DEVELOPED, BUT THE PROPOSED USE OF THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED AS THE PERMITTED USE ON THIS LAND FOR THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, AGAIN, THIS SIDE HIGHLIGHTS THE, THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UP HERE.

UM, YOU HAVE THE HIGH SCHOOL DOWN HERE.

YOU HAVE THE MARRIOTT HOTEL HERE, PARK PLACE DEVELOPMENT HERE, THE SEDONA SUMMIT HERE, AND THE HOTEL HERE.

JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND THERE'S ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT.

SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UM, THAT SHOWS WHERE OR HOW THE SITE WOULD BE LAID OUT.

IF THIS PROJECT WERE APPROVED, YOU HAVE THE ENTRANCE HERE.

THERE WOULD BE A, A GATE AND ENTRANCE SIGN COMING DOWN INTO THIS AREA OF THE CULTURAL PARK.

THE SITE MANAGER WOULD BE LOCATED HERE AS, UM, PARTICIPANTS WOULD ENTER THE PROGRAM AS A PLACE TO CHECK IN THIS AREA OVER HERE WOULD HAVE THE PORTABLE SHOWERS AND RESTROOMS, AND THAT WOULD BE WHERE THERE WOULD BE A COUPLE A DA SPACES AND RV PARKING.

AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE PARKING SPACES WOULD BE IN THIS AREA HERE.

UM, PUBLIC INPUT, THE REQUIRED 300 FOOT RADIUS THAT OUR CODE REQUIRES FOR NOTICING OF PUBLIC HEARINGS DID NOT IN ONLY INCLUDED CITY OWNED PROPERTIES IN THE FOREST SERVICE PROPERTY.

SO OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT DID EXPANDED RESEARCH AND GOING OUT AND TALKING WITH LOCAL GROUPS AND BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS.

AND ALL OF THAT OUTLINED THAT THEY DID IS OUTLINED IN YOUR PACKET, AND THEY CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT.

UM, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE AND WE HAVE BEEN ACCEPTING PUBLIC COMMENTS SINCE WE POSTED IT, AND YOU HAVE ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE.

WE HAVEN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE RECEIVED ANYTHING SINCE THE PACKET WENT OUT.

SO THERE WAS NOTHING TO UPDATE, UM, AS YOU SOMETIMES GET UPDATES THE DAY OF THE HEARING.

UM, AND SO IN LOOKING AT THIS, WE REVIEWED WHETHER THIS PROJECT WOULD IMPLEMENT THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE CFA PLAN OR NOT.

AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS HOUSING DIVERSITY AND SUPPORT OF NON-TRADITIONAL HOUSING, WHICH ARE CALLED OUT AS AREAS THAT THESE PLANS SUPPORT.

UM, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND SUPPORT OF LOCAL BUSINESSES.

UM, AND THEN ALSO THE MASTER PLANNING OF THE CULTURAL PARK.

SO THE CFA PLAN DOES SPECIFY THAT THE ENTIRE CULTURAL PARK SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AS A WHOLE, AND THAT IS THE CITY'S INTENT.

UM, AS WE STATED AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HEARING ON THIS ITEM, THIS, THIS WOULD NOT EXCLUDE THIS AREA FROM BEING PART OF THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN.

THE CITY IS WORKING ON STARTING THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, BUT WE ARE WAITING UNTIL THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS DONE JUST TO HAVE THAT, THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND ALSO TO NOT OVERWHELM OUR STAFF.

UM, BUT THIS PORTION, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE EXCLUDED FROM THAT.

IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN.

UM, BUT THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO TAKE, UH, NOT, IT WON'T BE A QUICK PROCESS.

THERE IS PUBLIC OUTREACH, THERE'S PLANNING INVOLVED, AND THEN ONCE IT'S ADOPTED, THERE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTION WILL NEED TO HAPPEN.

AND SO EVEN IF WE ARE VERY EFFICIENT AND USING OUR TIME AND GETTING THAT MASTER PLANNING THROUGH, THAT'S, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE WE SEE SOME KIND OF GROUND BE BROKEN FOR ANY KIND OF PROJECT THAT MIGHT COME OUT OF THAT PROCESS.

AND SO THIS IS A PROPOSAL OF HOW THIS LAND COULD BE USED IN THE MEANTIME TO, UM, SUPPORT THE LOCAL WORKFORCE.

UM, THERE ARE FINDINGS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.

AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL DETAILED IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, BUT WE LOOK AT PREVIOUS APPROVALS, THE ADOPTED PLANS, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, IMPACTS ON PROPERTY OWNERS, ENVIRONMENTAL AND FINANCIAL IMPACTS AND COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THE STANDARDS THAT THE CITY HAS.

SO STAFF DID REVIEW AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEVEL, AND WE DID A HEARING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024.

THEY WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

UM, ALL OF THIS AS WELL, HEARD THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND

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ULTIMATELY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT ON A FOUR TO ONE VOTE.

UM, WITH COMMISSIONER MARTIN DID VOTE NO, SHE DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THE WESTERN, THAT THE PLAN MET THE, UM, GOALS OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY PLAN.

COMMISSIONER ESKI AND COMMISSIONER BRAM DID NOT, WEREN'T, WEREN'T PART OF THE VOTE.

AND THEN THE OTHER FOUR CHAIR, LEVIN VICE CHAIR HOSSAINI COMMISSIONERS HURSTON WHEEL DID, UM, ADOPT STAFF'S EVALUATION OF THE PROJECT AS THEIR FINDINGS AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

SO THAT CONCLUDES WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON, MUST TALK TO MY LEFT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY? NOT AT THIS TIME.

COUNCILOR FURMAN.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE TABLE AT THIS POINT.

CARRIE, THANK YOU FOR THE, THE PRESENTATION.

MY, UH, FIRST OF MY QUESTIONS HAS TO DO WITH, UH, FENCING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS OF YOUR THOUGHTS RELATIVE TO FENCING.

MY QUESTION, UH, AND CONCERN IS REALLY ABOUT THE FOREST SERVICE BOUNDARY ON THE WEST END OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND I'M GONNA USE THE OG TERM.

THERE'S CRYPTOBIOTIC SOIL IN THERE.

I'M, I NOW UNDERSTAND MOST, WE JUST CALL IT BIO CRUST, BUT OG IS CRYPTOBIOTIC SOIL THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED.

WE IN THE CITY AND IN THE FOREST SERVICE, UH, GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO NOT IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT, UM, IN THAT MANNER.

SO I, AND I'M THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE MONITOR.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE A LOT OF NIGHTTIME USE, BUT I SUSPECT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DO WALK IN THE FOREST AT NIGHT TO DO THINGS THAT THEY WANNA DO.

AND MY CONCERN IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT THOUGHTS OR WHAT ARE YOU COMMITTING TO RELATIVE TO PROTECTING THAT FOREST SERVICE BOUNDARY? SO WE HAVE HEARD THAT FEEDBACK AND WE DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THE FENCING OF THOSE TWO SIDES.

UM, WE ARE THINKING AT THIS TIME THAT THAT WOULD BE A POST AND CHAIN TYPE OF FENCING AROUND THOSE TWO SIDES.

WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU JUST, WE, I'M NOT GONNA STOP ANY, ANYONE FROM LAUGHING OR ANY, JUST KEEP IT DOWN.

PLEASE TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE.

MAYOR.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY POSTING CHAIN.

I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT.

ONE OF MY THOUGHTS IS THAT THERE ALREADY IS A LOT OF THREE OR FOUR STRAND FOREST SERVICE, BARBED WIRE FENCING THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE IN CHARACTER WITH WHAT THE FOREST SERVICE DOES IN THESE KIND OF AREAS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO? OR THERE IS A LARGE SECTION THAT ALREADY HAS THE, THE THREE WIRE FOREST SERVICE TYPE FENCING.

SO YES, THAT'S FEASIBLE AS WELL.

HAS THE FOREST SERVICE COMMENTED ON THIS ISSUE AT ALL WITH YOU? HAVE YOU ENGAGED WITH THEM IN THIS CONVERSATION? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

COUNSELOR.

I HAVE ENGAGED WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT CONSISTENCY WITH THE POST AND BARBED WIRE FENCING.

UM, SO I THINK IF WE CONTINUE THAT AROUND THE BOUNDARY THAT IMMEDIATELY ABUTS THE FOREST LAND, THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT WE DO.

AND, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO.

I, I DON'T KNOW QUITE WHERE MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ON THIS ISSUE, BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY THOUGHT THROUGH AND YOU'RE COMMITTING TO DOING THAT? OR DO WE NEED TO YES, SIR.

PUT, WE DON'T NEED TO PUT THAT IN THE TERMS, UH, UH, IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THEN AT THIS POINT, I'M WILLING TO GO ON RECORD SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MY SECOND QUESTION, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA MORPH AND DO A THREE QUESTION.

SECOND QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE TREATMENT OF THE GRAY WATER ON THE PROPERTY.

I, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, I WANNA JUST BE CLEAR THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH A DEQ.

WE'RE VERY MUCH AWARE THAT WE WANNA PROTECT THE WASHES THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE FOREST SERVICE PROPERTY AS WELL.

AND, AND WE'RE TAKING STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN WITH THE, THE GRAY WATER.

I SEE.

I'D SAY YES.

AND KURT HARRIS IS ALSO HERE AND HE'S OUR RESIDENT EXPERT ON GRAY WATER.

I THINK IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M JUST GONNA PUT HIM ON THE SPOT.

I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION, KURT.

IT WAS ABOUT, UH, THE GRAY WATER RETENTION ON THE SITE AND HOW WE'RE GONNA PROTECT THE, UH, THE, THE DRY WASHES OUT THERE FROM AND, AND THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT EXISTS OUT THERE, THAT, THAT COULD BE IMPACTED BY A RELEASE OF WATER.

OUR PHASING OF THE, THE GRAY WATER AND THE USE OF THE SHOWERS.

UM, PART OF THE PRE-APPLICATION, MEANING WE JUST HAD WITH A DQ, WAS DIRECTLY ABOUT WATER MONITORING AND WATER BALANCE.

UH, PART OF THAT WOULD BE

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SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING, GOING TO TREE WELLS.

UH, THE TREE WELLS WOULD, UH, FIRST OF ALL FROM THE SHOWERS, WE WOULD HAVE LIKE A DISTRIBUTION BOX TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS EQUAL FLOW GOING FROM THE SHOWERS TO THE TREE.

SO YOU'RE NOT OVER WATERING YOUR FIRST INITIAL TREE AS YOU'RE GOING.

SO WE COULD USE THE SYSTEM IN SERIES OR PARALLEL AND WHAT THE PLAN WAS, WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND WATER THE, THE, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ABOUT EIGHT TREES.

AND THEN THERE'S AN AREA THAT WE DEFINED AS OUR, OUR CATCH AREA.

SO LIKE IN THE WINTER MONTHS WHERE YOUR EVA TRANSPIRATION AREAS, THAT'S WHERE WE, THE, THE, UH, FINAL WOULD GO IF WE HAD, UH, THAT MUCH USE OF SHOWERS.

UM, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE ARE VERY DIFFERENT ON HOW THEY SHOWERS.

IT CAN BE PEOPLE WHO WANNA SHOWER EVERY DAY.

THEY CAN TAKE A, YOU KNOW, FIVE UH, GALLON SHOWER, THEY CAN TAKE A 20 GALLON SHOWER.

IT ALL DEPENDS.

SO IT'S A VERY VARIABLE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING IN, IN THE REPORT TO BE A PHASED MONITORING APPROACH TO SEE HOW THE USE IS AND BASED ON THE USE.

THEN WE WERE GONNA ALLOCATE THAT DISCHARGE TO THOSE TREE WELLS AND THOSE AREAS WOULD BE GONNA BE FENCED.

UM, THAT'S TO PREVENT THE USERS TO GET ACCESS TO GRAY WATER AND ALL THAT.

AND THEN OF COURSE, DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, WE'RE GONNA MONITOR AS WELL TO MAKE SURE ABOUT VECTORS, UM, AND OTHER, OTHER INTANGIBLES.

BUT IT'S A MOVING THING.

SO IN THE SUMMER TOO, THEN YOUR EVA TRANSFER GOES WAY UP.

SO IT MIGHT BE GOING TO THE FIRST COUPLE OF TREES.

THOSE ARE THINGS YOU KIND OF MONITOR.

THE A DQ WAS QUITE SUPPORTIVE TOO, BECAUSE IT'S A SHORT DURATION TO YEAR PROJECT.

SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH CONCERNS.

AND SORT OF THE MONITORING OF OUR SUCCESS, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM, IS THAT GONNA BE OUR CONTRACTOR, KURT? IS THAT GONNA BE YOU AND YOUR STAFF? I THINK IT'LL BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH.

WE'D WORK WITH THE HOUSING MANAGER THERE AND THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH OUR STAFF.

WE'RE GONNA BE OUT THERE, UM, MONITORING THE SITUATION ANYWAYS, LOOKING AT DRAINAGE, ALL THAT AS PART OF WHAT WE DO.

UM, AND THEN ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A CALL OUT OR ANY ISSUE, WHAT WOULD BE THERE.

SO RIGHT NOW IT'S TO PLUM THE SHOWERS.

UM, AND THEN THAT WAS ALSO A BACKUP PLAN.

IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN THE GRAY WATER.

WE, THERE'S THE ACTUAL STORAGE ON THE SHOWERS THAT WE WOULD HAVE X AMOUNT OF DAYS OF STORAGE WITH ON THE SHOWERS THAT WE CAN GET IT RESOLVED.

WELL, I, I APPRECIATE THOSE ANSWERS.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, WE HAVE GIVEN IT THE THOUGHT THAT I, I, I THOUGHT WE DID, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY SEE IT IN THE PACKET.

I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

MY LAST QUESTION IS PROBABLY GONNA BE MULTIPLE QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT METRICS FOR REPORTING.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS YOU INTEND TO REPORT, WHETHER IT'S A DOH REPORTING.

I THINK MY MORE CONCERN IS ABOUT REPORTING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OPERATION OF THIS PROGRAM.

SO I'LL START THERE.

TELL ME WHAT YOU, YOU THINK THE METRIC REPORTING THAT YOU INTEND TO DO IS.

SO I DO HAVE THAT IN MY PRESENTATION.

UM, I UNDERSTOOD WE WERE DOING THE ZONING PIECE FIRST, BUT I CAN GO AHEAD WITH THAT PRESENTATION WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

I'M, I'M HAPPY TO DEFER THAT TO THE, TO THE RIGHT.

WE'LL WAIT TO YOUR PRESENTATION.

UH, DID YOU HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS DONE? 'CAUSE I'D LIKE KURT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO ADD TO WHAT YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT.

ARE YOU DONE? SEE WHAT KURT SAYS? BUT YES, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE VERN, THE METRIC REPORTING THING TO ANOTHER SPOT IN THE PRESENT.

KURT, I JUST, FOR THE AUDIENCE HERE, MAY, MAY NOT KNOW WHAT A DEQ IS.

OH.

SO CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF AN ORGANIZATION THEY ARE AND IT'S A LEGITIMATE ORGANIZATION.

UH, YES, MAYOR, THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, A DEQ.

UH, THE PERMIT HAS TO GO THROUGH THEM BECAUSE WE'RE ASSUMING IT'LL PROBABLY BE OVER A 3000 GALLON PER DAY MAX FLOWS.

SO IT CAN'T BE DELEGATED THROUGH, UH, YAVAPI COUNTY.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON.

YOU'RE GOOD VICE MAYOR.

UH, I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ABOUT OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT ARE LOOKING AT OR ALREADY HAVE EXISTING PROGRAMS, AND THEY DO PRIORITIZE, THEY DO HAVE THEIR WORKFORCE AS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

UH, I HAVE QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

I'VE READ.

IT'S GONNA BE DONE IN ADVANCE.

I'VE READ, PEOPLE CAN SHOW UP ON SITE AT THE, THE DAY THAT THEY WANT TO BE PART.

I'VE READ THAT THE, THEY'LL HAVE TO SIGN IN A GROUP.

PEOPLE WHO STAY AT, IN THIS FACILITY WOULD HAVE TO, WELL NOT IN THE FACILITY, BUT IN THEIR CARS, IN THIS PARKING AREA, WOULD HAVE TO, UH, AGREE TO SERVICES, WRAPAROUND SERVICES.

I'VE READ THAT THEY DON'T, I'M KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT, ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

SO I'D LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION ABOUT THAT.

ALSO,

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I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T DO IT.

THEY'RE IN THE NINTH CIRCUIT, THEY'RE UNDER THE RULES OF THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS.

THEY HAVE THE, THEY HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME LEGAL CONSTRAINTS THAT WE DO.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY OTHER CITIES CAN PRIORITIZE THEIR WORKFORCE AND WE CAN'T.

SO LET'S START WITH THE APPLICATION THEN WE'LL GO TO THAT QUESTION.

YEAH, YEAH.

THERE WAS A POINT OF ORDER HERE, MAYOR WAS A QUESTION ON THE, ON THE DESK ABOUT, WE HAVE MULTIPLE ITEMS THAT ARE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE THE SAME TOPIC.

ONE IS THE ZONE CHANGE, THE OTHER IS THE PROGRAM.

I FELL INTO THAT TRAP TOO.

HOW DO YOU WANNA HANDLE THIS, MAYOR, ABOUT WHAT TOPICS YOU WANNA TAKE ON NOW? WELL, THIS IS JUST A ZONING.

YOU, YOU DO HAVE MORE PRESENTATION.

MORE PRESENTATION.

SO WOULD THAT QUESTION ALSO BE HANDLED BY YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION? OKAY.

SO WHY DON'T WE JUST FOCUS ON, WELL HOLD THAT QUESTION.

BUT FOR ME, I CAN'T VOTE ON THE ZONING WITHOUT ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

WELL, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, BUT I CAN'T.

THAT'S FAIR.

YEAH, THAT'S FAIR.

BUT I, I HAVE A, SHANNON'S GOING TO BE GIVEN A MORE OF A PRESENTATION.

SO, SO HOW ARE WE, HOW WE GONNA HANDLE THIS? THIS IS, THIS IS QUESTIONS.

SO WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS NOW.

I, I KNOW, BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS ON THE PROGRAM.

AND THAT IS THE SECOND PRESENTATION.

SO I DON'T WANNA VOTE ON THE FIRST WITHOUT HEARING THE SECOND.

THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.

I, I UNDERSTAND.

SO WHY DON'T WE JUST CONTINUE, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS NOW OF THE ZONING TO FINISH UP THE ZONING, OTHERWISE WE COULD JUST GO TO SHANNON WITH THE SECOND PORTION.

SO ALL THOSE, THE QUESTIONS CAN BE ASKED BEFORE WE OF COURSE, BEFORE WE DO ANY KIND OF A, A VOTE.

SO, WELL, SIR, I'M SORRY, I'M, I AM NOW CONFUSED.

THIS IS THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, NOT THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

SO WE DO, I THINK, AND I'M LOOKING AT KURT, KURT, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT, NO, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THEY'RE, THEY, FOR LEGAL REASONS, THEY WERE PUT ON AS TWO SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS, UM, BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE AWKWARD TO COMBINE THEM.

UH, BUT YOU CAN HOLD, YOU CAN DO THESE TWO IN ANY ORDER.

UM, AND YOU CAN DISCUSS THEM BOTH AND TAKE PRESENTATIONS ON BOTH AND THEN DO YOUR VOTES ON BOTH AT THE VERY END.

WHICH IS WHAT I HAD TOUCHED.

JESSICA? WHAT? YES, I JUST, THERE'S ONLY ONE MOTION IN THE PACKET, RIGHT? THERE'S NO, THERE'S 2 0 1 FOR EACH ITEM.

BUT THEY CAN, LIKE I SAID, THEY CAN BOTH BE DONE AT THE VERY END.

WHENEVER, WHEN COUNSEL'S READY TO DO BOTH MOTIONS, THERE'S, THERE'S, AND THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY EVEN AN ORDER.

THE, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO THE REZONE BEFORE APPROVING THE CONTRACTS.

'CAUSE OTHERWISE THE CONTRACTS WOULDN'T BE VALID.

BUT COUNSEL CAN DO THOSE IN ANY ORDER THEY WANT WHOEVER'S SITTING, AGAIN, LEANING AGAINST THE, THE LIGHT SWITCH ON THE WALL, PLEASE , PLEASE TURN IT BACK ON.

YES, THANK YOU.

I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE SUSTAINABLE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT.

VICE MAYOR DOES THAT ADDRESS, I GUESS WOULD BE YOU'RE CONSIDER WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE TWO OF THEM AT THE END.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON MY PRESENTATION, I CAN ANSWER THEM.

OTHERWISE WE CAN HAVE SHANNON DO HER PRESENTATION.

SO, UH, COUNCILOR FOLTZ ON, UH, CARRIE'S PRESENTATION.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

YOU ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT, CARRIE, REGARDING THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.

BUT HAVING SEEN SOME, UH, OTHER COMMUNICATION WITH, UH, STEVE, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE THE RFP FOR THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS TO GO OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.

IS THAT FAIR? YES.

AND THAT WILL COVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY? CORRECT.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

COUNCIL DUNN, I WILL HOLD MY QUESTIONS TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION.

PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT, CARRIE, I BELIEVE YOURS HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, BUT PLEASE, I'M SURE YOU WANNA STICK AROUND.

OH, I'LL, I'LL STAY.

WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT PORTION, WHICH ONE IS YOURS? IS IT THIS ONE THAT SAYS 30 26? YEAH, THAT'S IT.

SO SHANNON,

[8.c. AB 3031 Discussion/possible action regarding contracts with the Arizona Department of Housing and the Verde Valley Homeless Coalition for the proposed Safe Place to Park program.]

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MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL.

UM, THIS PORTION WE'RE GONNA TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROGRAM COMPONENTS, UM, OF THE TEMPORARY SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM, UM, WHICH IS NOT TO EXCEED TWO YEARS.

UH, IT'S TO PROVIDE LEGAL AND SAFE OVERNIGHT PARKING WITH NECESSARY AMENITIES FOR LOCAL WORKERS, BECAUSE KEEPING WORKERS CLOSE TO THEIR JOBS REDUCES COMMUTING TIMES AND RELATED ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION ALLOWS HOUSEHOLDS TO SAVE TIME AND GROW THEIR SAVINGS, STIMULATES THE LOCAL ECONOMY WITH LOCAL WORKERS LIVING, SHOPPING, AND RECREATING IN THE COMMUNITY, AND TURNS TRANSIENT WORKERS INTO SEDONA RESIDENTS WHO CAN DEVELOP A SENSE OF BELONGING AND SHARE INTEREST IN THE BEST OUTCOMES OF THE CITY.

UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT, SHANNON, COULD YOU TALK INTO YOUR MIC MORE? I'M SORRY.

YEAH, IT'S OKAY.

CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? OOPS.

NOPE.

THE NEXT ONE.

SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT IS THE PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THIS IS REPEATEDLY, REPEATEDLY BEEN ASKED.

THIS IS A PROGRAM DESIGNED FOR THE LOCAL WORKFORCE.

UM, ACCEPTABLE FORMS OF PROOF FOR ENROLLMENT INCLUDE THE THINGS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, A PAY STATEMENT FROM AN EMPLOYER WITH A PHYSICAL ADDRESS WITHIN THE SEDONA CITY LIMITS STATED WITHIN THE PAST 30 DAYS.

UM, ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE A SEDONA SCHOOL REPORT CARD OR SOME OTHER SCHOOL ID THAT WOULD QUALIFY A FAMILY FOR PARTICIPATION IF THEIR CHILDREN ATTEND A LOCAL SCHOOL, UM, ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS A LETTER FROM THE EMPLOYER OR TAX RETURNS, OR 10 90 NINES OR W TWOS.

ALL OF THAT WILL ONLY BE ACCEPTED.

UM, IF THERE IS ALSO VERBAL CONFIRMATION OF CURRENT EMPLOYMENT THAT CAN BE OBTAINED FROM A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE NUMBER, UM, SELF-EMPLOYED, PEOPLE CAN BE ACCEPTED INTO THE PROGRAM IF THEIR BUSINESS IS REGISTERED TO A SEDONA ADDRESS AND THEIR NAME IS ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE.

ANY OTHERS CAN PLEASE.

IT'S REALLY HARD ENOUGH TO HEAR AS IT IS.

PLEASE TRY TO KEEP THE VOICES DOWN OR TAKE IT OUT TO THE LOBBY AND THEN COME BACK.

GO AHEAD SHANNON.

ANY OTHER SELF-EMPLOYED PEOPLE AND THOSE WHO CANNOT BE EMPLOYED BECAUSE THEY'RE RETIRED OR DISABLED, HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE A VERIFIABLE CONNECTION TO SEDONA WITH ONE OF THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS, AN ARIZONA DRIVER'S LICENSE, STATE ID OR VEHICLE REGISTRATION SHOWING A SEDONA PHYSICAL ADDRESS AND NOT ISSUED LATER THAN 20 OR IN 2024 OR LATER.

UM, REMOTE OR GIG WORKERS OR ANYONE ELSE WHO CANNOT PROVIDE THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS, BUT WHO CLAIM TO LIVE IN SEDONA WILL BE REFERRED TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT FOR A REVIEW PANEL DECISION.

THE REVIEW PANEL WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION OF ELIGIBILITY WITHIN SEVEN DAYS.

WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 44 LOCAL WORKERS, ALL OF WHOM ARE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROGRAM AND WORK IN PLACES THAT WE VISIT EVERY DAY AND KNOW WELL, NEXT.

I AM SORRY, I SKIPPED AHEAD A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

THEIR COMPONENTS OF THEIR SERVICE PLAN.

UM, THAT COMPONENT IS ONE OF THE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE BEST PRACTICES, ONE OF THE PARTS OF THE INTENTIONAL PROGRAM DESIGN, WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT DESIGNING THIS PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY FOR THE LOCAL WORKFORCE.

UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE NEEDS OF THAT LOCAL WORKFORCE, AND MANY OF THE PROGRAM COMPONENTS HAVE STEMMED FROM THAT.

UM, SECONDLY WAS THE STRATEGIC LOCATION.

UM, THE, WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS BEING THE TEMPORARY USE AND THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE CULTURAL PARK.

UM, WE ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE TWO YEARS BEFORE WE'RE READY TO BREAK GROUND ON THOSE PROJECTS THAT COME OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE FULL CULTURAL PARK SITE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THIS SITE IS CONSIDERED STRATEGIC BECAUSE IT'S NOT VISIBLE FOR MANY ROADWAY OR ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY.

UM, ANOTHER OF THE BEST PRACTICES, THE SOCIAL SERVICE INTEGRATION, UM, WE'VE WORKED TO INTEGRATE THIRD PARTY SERVICES AND TAILORED THE, THE SERVICES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE TARGET POPULATION.

UM, PARTICIPANTS WILL HAVE INDIVIDUAL SERVICE PLANS.

UM, THEY WILL DETERMINE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THEIR PLANS.

SO IT'S NOT AS THOUGH EVERYONE WILL BE FORCED TO PURSUE HOUSING OR, UM, ANY SPECIFIC GOAL.

IT'LL BE DEPENDENT ON THOSE PEOPLE'S NEEDS.

UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE WHO PLAN TO REMAIN LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLES, THE SEASONAL WORKERS OR OTHERS WHO ENJOY THAT LIFESTYLE WILL BE ASKED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR DOING SO LEGALLY WHEN THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM CEASES TO EXIST.

SO THAT'LL BE ONE OF

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UM, COUNSELOR FERMAN, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE METRICS, AND SO THIS IS, UM, A LIST HERE OF THE DATA THAT WE PLAN TO TRACK ON THIS PROGRAM.

UM, THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED PARTICIPANTS, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES USING THE SPACE NIGHTLY, UM, THE NUMBER OF NIGHTS PARTICIPANTS STAY, PARTICIPANT DEMOGRAPHICS, OBVIOUSLY.

UM, THERE'S A LIST OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS THERE, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HOUSED AND THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT THEY'RE EXITED TO.

UM, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ACTIVELY TRYING TO BECOME HOUSED, AND THE REASONS WHY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TURNED AWAY AND THE REASONS WHY.

UM, WE ASSUME THOSE WILL BE LIKE THE SITE IS FULL OR THEY CAN'T SHOW LOCAL EMPLOYMENT OR THE VEHICLE DOESN'T MEET REQUIREMENTS.

UM, ALSO THE NUMBER OF REFERRALS TO OTHER SERVICES.

UM, THE NUMBER OF POLICE RESPONSES TO THE PROGRAM SITE OR THE NUMBER OF EMERGENCY CALLS FROM THE PROGRAM SITE.

UM, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKED TO LEAVE THE PROGRAM FOR NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE RULES.

ALL OF THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND REPORT ON REGULARLY.

WE WILL BE MONITORING THAT DATA CONSTANTLY.

UM, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE REALLY WANNA KNOW.

ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THIS PROGRAM IS THAT WE CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS POPULATION TO HELP ADVISE US IN PROVIDING HOUSING.

AND THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING CONTRACT.

UM, THE AWARD IS CONTINGENT ON SERVING UNSHELTERED PERSONS, UM, AS WE DEFINED IN THE GRANT APPLICATION.

AND AS YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, REPEATEDLY, THESE ARE THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE PROGRAM, PROVIDING THE SPACE FOR 40 VEHICLES PER NIGHT WITH THE SHOWER TRAILERS, RESTROOMS, AND WASTE RECEPTACLES.

UM, THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION AS THE MANAGER OF THE SITE.

AND THEY WILL REPORT REGULARLY TO THE HMIS OR THE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM AND TO THE CITY OF SEDONA.

UM, AND TO ASSESS THE IMPACT OF THE PROGRAM WITH PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND OUTCOMES.

UM, AND WE JUST WENT OVER THE METRICS THERE.

UM, SECONDLY, UM, THE WORD IS CONTINGENT ON OUR ABILITY TO BEGIN THE PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION NO LATER THAN JULY 1ST, 2024.

UM, THIRD, TO PERFORM ALL ALLOWABLE ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE FOR THIS CONTRACT, WHICH BEGAN JANUARY 1ST, 2024, AND ENDS JUNE 30TH, 2026.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE GRANT ALSO RESTRICTS US TO TWO YEARS.

UM, AND THEN FINALLY, TO SUBMIT QUARTERLY REPORTS ON THE ACTIVITIES.

UM, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING HAS ARE MAYBE A FEW LESS DATA POINTS THAN WHAT WE HAVE TRACKED, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GONE OVER THOSE, I THINK.

AND THE TOTAL GRANT AMOUNT, UM, IS $875,638.

UM, THOSE EXPENDITURES, UM, WILL BE REIMBURSED BY THE GRANT.

GO TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.

UM, THIS IS JUST THE GRANT BUDGET, SO THE PARTS OF OUR BUDGET THAT THE GRANT WOULD COVER.

AND THEN NEXT WE CAN LOOK AT THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION CONTRACT.

UM, KIND OF GONNA GO OVER THAT ONE IN TWO PARTS.

FIRST, THE SITE MANAGER MANAGEMENT PIECE AND THEN THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT PIECE.

SO THESE ARE THE KEY RESPONSIBILITIES FOR SITE MANAGEMENT, UM, ENROLLING PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS.

SO WE DO PLAN TO HAVE, UM, EV EVENTS IN ADVANCE OF OPENING OF THE SITE TO REGISTER THE PARTICIPANTS.

UM, ENSURING PARTICIPANT ELIGIBILITY, UM, PERFORMING ID CHECKS AND INFORMATION COLLECTION AND TRACKING UPON CHECK-IN, UM, OPENING THE SITE DAILY AT 4:00 PM COLLECTING ENTRANCE FEES, ASSIGNING PARKING SPOTS, CLOSING THE SITE DAILY AT 10:00 PM UM, NOT ALLOWING ACCESS AFTER HOURS, UM, PERFORMING SITE INSPECTION ROUNDS.

UM, AS, UM, RHONDA FROM THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION MENTIONED IN THE JANUARY MEETING, WE ANTICIPATE AT LEAST EVERY COUPLE OF HOURS THE SITE MANAGER WOULD DO ROUNDS, UH, MAINTAINING CLEANLINESS OF THE SITE, UM, UM, ENSURING NO TRASH OR BELONGINGS ARE LEFT BEHIND.

UM, THE VVHC STAFF WILL ENSURE THAT ALL VEHICLES HAVE EXIT UPON CLOSURE AND WILL ARRANGE FOR TOWING OF VEHICLES LEFT BEHIND AT CLOSURE.

UM, AND THE

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STAFF WILL NOTIFY SEDONA PD OF ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND ENSURE THAT ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY OR VIOLATION OF PROGRAM RULES RESULTS IN TERMINATION FROM THE PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S THE KIND OF SITE MANAGEMENT PIECE.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.

IT WAS REALLY HARD TO FIT ALL THESE CONTRACT WORDS ON SLIDES AND MAYBE NOT THE BEST WAY TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION.

SO, UM, THE KEY POINTS OF THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, RECRUITING, HIRING AND MAINTAINING STAFF, MAINTAINING A SAFE, SECURE SITE, REPORTING SITE ISSUES TO THE CITY, ENROLLING ELIGIBLE PARTICIPANTS.

UM, UM, DEVELOPING INDIVIDUAL SERVICE PLANS WITH TIMELINES AND BENCHMARKS FOR EACH PARTICIPANT.

AND KEEPING DATA ON PERSONS TURNED AWAY FROM THE PROGRAM DUE TO SPACE OR INELIGIBILITY, PROVIDING REFERRALS TO APPROPRIATE SUPPORT SERVICES, KEEPING PROGRAM FILES, SUBMITTING APPLICABLE REPORTS TO THE CITY OF SEDONA.

SUBMITTING APPLICABLE REPORTS TO THE HMIS INFORMATION SYSTEM.

UM, KEEPING CLIENT FILES, PROGRAM ACCOUNTING, MANAGING PERSONNEL COMPLETING AUDITS AND OTHER SUBMISSIONS AND OVERSEEING PROGRAM TO ENSURE A COST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT DELIVERY OF SERVICES.

ENSURING THAT AN OPEN PROCESS IS CONDUCTED IN ALL OUTREACH ACTIVITIES AND COMPLYING WITH THE PROGRAM POLICIES ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY.

LEMME GO BACK UP.

I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE WE COVERED IN THE FIRST MEETING, SO WE CAN LEAVE IT AT THAT AND JUST TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS.

BEFORE WE GO TO THE VICE MAYOR, I WANNA GO BACK TO PETE TO MAKE SURE YOUR QUESTION WAS, OR QUESTIONS WAS ANSWERED.

UH, I, TO DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND MORE TIME LOOKING AT THE, THE SET OF REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THAT.

SO I DIDN'T GET THROUGH ALL OF 'EM, BUT IT WAS LOOKING PRETTY ROBUST.

AM I, UH, CORRECT IN SAYING THAT YOU HAVE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS TO DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, THAT WAS A, A SHORTER LIST THAN THE LIST THAT YOU DEVELOPED, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT EVERYTHING YOU'RE REPORTING, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING UNIQUE IN THERE.

THE, THE, THE, THE LARGER PAGE HAD THAT PLUS MORE, CORRECT? YEAH.

I WOULD LOVE TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME LOOKING AT THOSE AND, AND, AND I DEFER BACK TO YOU.

I'LL PASS MAYOR BACK TO YOU.

UH, MAYBE STARTING THE OTHER SIDE OF DIOCESE.

SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

WILL SOMEBODY BE REQUIRED TO MAKE AN APPLICATION IN ADVANCE? 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT IN, IN THE FAQS.

SO THE PLAN AT THIS TIME IS TO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO REGISTER IN ADVANCE, BUT THAT THEY COULD REGISTER AT THE SITE.

HOWEVER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR EVERYONE TO GET CHECKED IN IF THERE WAS A LINE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO WHEN THE SITE MANAGER IS AVAILABLE, THEY CAN, UM, MAKE APPLICATION AT THE SITE.

AND THEN WHAT WILL THE SITE MANAGER HAVE ON SITE THAT WOULD ENABLE THEM TO VERIFY CORRECT INFORMATION? RIGHT? SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE VERIFYING, UM, IF IT'S, FOR EXAMPLE, VERIFYING EMPLOYMENT, IDEALLY THE PERSON COMES WITH A PAY STUB.

UM, IN CASES WHERE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, UM, YOU'VE SEEN THE LIST OF RULES.

WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE VERIFIED WITH THEIR PHONE, WITH INTERNET ACCESS, PLEASE, THE COMMENTS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY, WE HAVE A LOT, A LOT OF CARDS THAT WE NEED TO READ, BUT WE HAVE TO, UH, OR LISTEN TO.

BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR STAFF TOO.

YOU WANT TO HEAR SOME OF THEIR ANSWERS AS WELL.

SO PLEASE, I'M SORRY, SHARON.

I, I, I THINK I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

NOTION THAT SOMEBODY PUTTING A LOT OF BURDEN ON A PERSON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS ARE, BUT A PERSON WHO HAS A LOT TO DO, CHECKING PEOPLE IN, AND YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF BURDEN ON THAT PERSON THEN TO ALSO VALIDATE BECAUSE SOMEBODY BRINGS A PAY STUB THAT'S SIX MONTHS OLD.

IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? NOT ACCEPTABLE? HOW DO, RIGHT.

BUT SEE, THERE'S SO MANY RULES THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ON SITE.

IT JUST MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO FULLY VET.

SO I, THE PEOPLE PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE REQUIRING REGISTRATION IN ADVANCE.

OFTEN IF YOU'RE PUTTING ALL OF THAT ON TO THE ONSITE INDIVIDUAL.

I THINK THAT HAS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S JUST, I JUST CAN SEE PEOPLE BEING TURNED AWAY NOT BEING COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

I SEE THE POLICE HAVING TO COME OUT TO THAT SITE WAY TOO

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SO THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN.

YEAH, NO PROBLEM.

IN WAYS THAT DON'T MEET, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT.

WE'LL DISCUSS THAT LATER.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THESE INDIVIDUAL SERVICE PLANS, I THINK THE IDEA, AT LEAST AS IT WAS EXPLAINED, AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS MORPH IF I UNDERSTAND THAT OVER TIME AND YOU GET MORE INFORMATION, BUT WHAT WAS SOLD TO ME WAS THIS, THAT OUR BUSINESSES NEED EMPLOYEES.

WE ALL KNOW SOME PLACES ARE STILL CLOSED MULTIPLE DAYS A WEEK BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EMPLOYEES TO SERVICE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND FOR THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE WANT OUR BUSINESSES TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND WANT THEM TO BE OPEN.

I, I'M NOT SURE THAT HAVING FOLKS WHO ARE, WHO CHOOSE A LIFESTYLE OF LIVING IN THEIR CAR MEETS THAT CRITERIA.

SO FOR ME, UH, I WANT US TO, AND I'LL GO BACK TO THE LEGAL QUESTION IN A MINUTE, BUT I WANT US TO REALLY BE SUPPORTING OUR BUSINESSES.

AND, UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD, I HOPE THAT THERE ARE PE BUSINESS PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE GONNA COME AND SPEAK TO US ABOUT THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND HOW THIS WILL HELP HELP THEM.

BUT I, I, I THINK OUR RULES HAVE TO BE MORE DESIGNED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OR MEET THE, THE PROGRAM ELEMENTS THAT WERE FIRST PRESENTED TO US WHEN THIS PROGRAM WAS DISCUSSED.

OH, EVEN, WHAT WAS IT EIGHT MONTHS AGO? OH, NO, A YEAR AGO, BECAUSE IT WAS AT OUR BUDGET HEARING.

OH, ALMOST A YEAR AGO.

AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS PRESENTED.

AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MADE COUNCIL WANT TO LOOK FURTHER INTO THIS INITIATIVE WAS BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA SUPPORT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

AND NOW IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE NOT EXACTLY DOING THAT.

WE'RE DOING IT TO SOME DEGREE, BUT NOT AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED.

SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT BECAUSE OF LEGAL ISSUES? IS THAT BECAUSE OF PROGRAMMATIC ISSUES? YOU KNOW, WHY HAS THAT CHANGED? AND HOW DO WE GO BACK TO OUR, THE ORIGINAL INTENT? OKAY.

UM, FIRST, UM, AT THE JANUARY MEETING, YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT WE DID HEAR FROM SEASONAL WORKERS.

UM, THE REASON THAT THEY ARE BEING INCLUDED IS PRIMARILY LOGISTICS.

AND THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST TIME THAT COUNCIL HAS SAID, OH, MAYBE NOT SEASONAL WORKERS.

UM, WELL THAT'S, IT'S, I'M TALKING, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF COUNCIL FEELS, BUT, RIGHT.

UM, I DO THINK THAT THE SEASONAL WORKERS ARE STILL SUPPORTING OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THAT ACHIEVES THE SAME GOAL.

AND BASED ON THAT UNDERSTANDING, UM, WE JUST HAVEN'T EXCLUDED SEASONAL WORKERS.

REALLY, IT CAME DOWN TO LOGISTICS.

UM, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? WHO'S A SEASONAL WORKER AND WHO'S NOT? HOW, HOW MANY MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR DO YOU HAVE TO WORK? HOW MANY DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK? LIKE WHAT ARE THOSE REQUIREMENTS? SO, UM, HAPPY TO CONSIDER THIS IN OTHER WAYS, OR I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.

UM, WELL, WE, WE HAD SOMEBODY TESTIFY AND THEY SAID THEY WERE, THEY, THEY CHOSE THIS LIFESTYLE AND THEY CAME TO SEDONA TO DO MOUNTAIN BIKING IN SEASONALLY.

AND THEY WERE SLEEPING ILLEGALLY, EXCEPT THEY REALLY WEREN'T, BUT THEY JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE LAW.

THEY, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE, THEY WERE SLEEPING IN THEIR VEHICLES ILLEGALLY.

'CAUSE WE DO BAN CAMP, YOU KNOW, PARKING, CAMPING, SLEEPING IN VEHICLES ON CITY STREETS.

SO THEY, BUT WE DON'T BAN IT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

AND IF YOU HAVE AGREEMENT FROM SOMEBODY WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN SLEEP THERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT, IN FACT, HE SAID, OH, THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.

UH, AND, AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

SO THAT SOLVED THAT PERSON'S PROBLEM.

UH, BUT, UH, IT STILL FEELS TO ME LIKE THE PROGRAM HAS CHANGED

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UH, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D, IF THE 44 PEOPLE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE THEY FIT IN THAT SPECTRUM OF, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WORKERS, BECAUSE WE THEN WE ADDED PEOPLE WHOSE KIDS GO TO SCHOOL HERE.

AND, AND THEN WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO CAME AND TESTIFIED WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR CHILD.

AND THEY SAID, BUT WE DON'T REALLY, THIS IS OUR LIFESTYLE.

WE PROBABLY, WE WOULDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT 'CAUSE WE'RE MOVING OUT OF THE AREA.

BUT, UM, THE, THAT I COULD BE SYMPATHETIC TO, TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHILDREN IN SCHOOL.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S WHO 19 FAMILIES WHO ARE HOMELESS IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT THEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF THE SCHOOL WRITES AN EDITORIAL IN THE PAPER SAYING, THIS IS A TERRIBLE THING TO DO.

SO I, I, IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT HEALTHY.

IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE KIDS.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.

SO I'D LIKE TO COME BACK TO THE WORKFORCE TO GO BACK TO PRIORITIZING AND, AND THE GOALS THAT WERE SET INITIALLY IN THIS PROJECT.

AND I DON'T KNOW.

AND, AND HERE'S MY QUESTION 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA PONTIFICATE, BUT, WHICH I KNOW I AM.

BUT, UH, THE, IF WE WERE TO LIMIT, AND AGAIN, WE WON'T DEAL WITH THE LEGAL ISSUE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WERE TO PRIORITIZE IS WHAT I'LL CALL IT TRUE PE PEOPLE WHO LI WHO WORK HERE IN THIS CITY AND CANNOT FIND PLACES TO LIVE.

WOULD WE FILL 40 SPOTS? YES.

AND I'LL LET JEANIE TALK ABOUT THE POPULATION OF THE 44 PEOPLE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO.

HI, THANK YOU.

SO YES, I, IN THE OUTREACH, UM, THAT WE DID, WE DID GET TO KNOW, IS SHE THERE? YES.

KATHY, IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH I COULD JUST ASK A QUESTION? NO, SHE'S, YES.

YOU CAN ASK A QUESTION 'CAUSE THANK YOU.

SHE'S ILL TODAY.

I I HAVE A QUESTION.

AND, UM, IF, IF A PRIVATE BUSINESS BOUGHT A PIECE OF LAND AND ALLOWED PARKING OF SEVERAL CARS, 20 CARS, WHATEVER IT WAS, IS THAT AN ALLOWABLE USE THAT A PRIVATE OWNER COULD DO ON PRIVATE LAND? BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, IF WE'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT WORKFORCE AND ARE THESE THE WORKERS THERE AND WHAT IS THE, UM, ROLE OF THE BUSINESSES INVOLVED, WOULD A WOULD A BUSINESS BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND IS THAT ALLOWABLE? I GUESS THAT GOES BACK TO A ZONING QUESTION.

IT'S SO HARD TO SEPARATE THESE TWO THINGS.

IT'S PROGRAMMATIC, BUT IT'S ZONING.

BUT I, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER PLACE.

SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND COUNCILOR KINSELLA, THE ANSWER IS NO.

'CAUSE THEY WOULD NEED TO REZONE JUST LIKE THE CITY'S GOING THROUGH A PROCESS TO DO THAT, TO MAKE THAT AN ALLOWABLE USE IN THEIR ZONE ZONING DISTRICT.

MOST LIKELY, MOST OF THE, IF IT'S A BUSINESS, IT'D BE COMMERCIAL ZONING AND IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SET UP A, THEIR OWN SAFE PLACE TO PARK WITHOUT A REZONE.

SO THEY HAVE BEEN FORCED TO LIVE IN THEIR CARS, NOT BY CHOICE.

I, I THINK THAT WAS FOR ME GETTING A LITTLE LOST, SO I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

SO THE POPULATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE, UM, PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE WHO WORK HERE AND WHO HAPPEN NOT TO LIVE IN A HOME BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD IT.

SO, UM, IN, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LONGTIME RESIDENTS HERE, 10 YEARS.

UM, THEY LOST THEIR RENTAL DUE TO WHATEVER REASON, THE RENT BECAME TOO HIGH, IT WAS SOLD TO, UM, BECOME A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

AND THIS PERSON IS NOW LIVING IN THEIR CAR AND THEY'VE LIVED HERE FOR 10 YEARS.

THEY WORK FULL-TIME AT A LOCAL RESTAURANT.

THEY CANNOT AFFORD HOUSING.

AND THEY ARE ACQUAINTED WITH MANY OTHERS WHO ALSO WORK IN SEDONA, WHO LIVE IN THEIR, IN THEIR VEHICLES.

NINE LONG-TIME RESIDENTS LOST THEIR HOUSING DUE TO INCREASED RENTS OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL CONVERSION.

FIVE OF THESE PEOPLE WORK FULL-TIME.

ONE OF THEM WORKS FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME, AND THEY STILL CANNOT LOCATE HOUSING.

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TWO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THEIR VEHICLES ARE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, WHO USED TO LIVE IN A HOUSE, BUT THEY LOST THEIR HOUSING AND THEY CAN NO LONGER, YOU KNOW, AFFORD IT.

AND THEY LIVE IN THEIR CAR.

SO IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING THROUGH AND TRANSIENT WORKERS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE CITIZENS OF SEDONA.

THEY LIVE HERE, THEY LIVE AMONG US, AND THEY JUST NEED TO, UM, THEY NEED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ASSISTANCE.

THEY, UM, IT'S, IT'S A STRUGGLE FOR THEM TO FIND HOUSING, WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON TAKES A LONG TIME TO BUILD THAT HOUSING.

BUT THIS PROGRAM COULD BE A REALLY A CONDUIT TO CAPTURE THIS GROUP, MEET THEIR NEEDS, MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE, RIGHT, JUST MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE AND GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF ASSISTANCE AND THEN CON THEN TRANSITION THEM INTO HOUSING WHEN IT IS AVAILABLE.

SO, SO MY LAST QUESTION, UH, FOR THE MOMENT IS IF THAT IS THE STATED OBJECTIVE, I DON'T SEE WHY WE WANT TO OFFER THIS ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO SLEEP HERE.

IF, IF THEY ARE SEASONAL AND NOT, AND, AND THIS IS THEIR LIFESTYLE AND THEY DON'T WANNA TRANSITION INTO HOUSING.

I THINK OUR PRIORITY SHOULD BE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY WANT TO LIVE IN A HOUSE AND ARE PREVENTED FROM LIVING IN A HOUSE FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS, AVAILABILITY, PRICE, ET CETERA.

SO WHY HAVE WE OPENED IT UP TO ALL KINDS OF OTHER FOLKS AND NOT PRIORITIZING THESE FOLKS? SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE ACTUALLY OPENED IT UP.

WE JUST HADN'T DEFINED WHAT A LOCAL WORKER IS.

UM, AND AS WE DEFINE THAT FURTHER, PLEASE, PLEASE, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL, BUT YOU WANT TO HEAR THE COMMENTS FROM STAFF AS WE DEFINE THAT FURTHER.

THIS IS WHERE WE LANDED.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHERE IT HAS TO STAY.

SO AS I SAID, WE'RE TOTALLY OPEN TO THIS CONVERSATION.

UM, APP, I, I'M GUESSING THAT WE DON'T KNOW OR DIDN'T ASK PEOPLE IF THEY'RE SEASONAL WORKERS, WE ONLY ASK THEM IF THEY WORK LOCALLY.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THOUGH THAT MAYBE SUPPORTS, UM, ALLOWING SEASONAL WORKERS IS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM THERE ARE AS WELL.

MM-HMM .

AND WE COULD PROVIDE A TYPE OF HOUSING THAT MEETS THEIR NEEDS BETTER THAN ANYTHING THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY THINKING ABOUT, LIKE DORMITORY STYLE HOUSING WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A SHORTER TERM LEASE SUCH AS THREE MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, SHORT OF THAT REASONING, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY THAT WE ALLOW SEASONAL WORKERS.

IT'S JUST WHERE WE'VE EVOLVED TO RIGHT NOW.

GOOD.

THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO REVIEW.

COUNCILOR DUNN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS? S VICE MAYOR, DID YOU WANT TO ASK YOUR LEGAL QUESTION? OH, YEAH, YOUR LEGAL QUESTION.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND MADAM VICE MAYOR.

SO I'VE LOOKED AT OVER 40 DIFFERENT SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAMS AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS, AND WE ARE PUSHING THAT LIMIT FURTHER THAN ANY OTHER ONE I'M AWARE OF.

SO IF YOU'RE AWARE OF ANOTHER ONE, THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT AND WE CAN PERHAPS ADJUST IT AND MAKE IT MORE STRICT.

UH, BUT IT ALREADY DOES PRIORITIZE LOCAL WORKERS AND THOSE, UM, IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT THAT WAS AT THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL TO ALSO INCLUDE THOSE, UM, AND REQUIRES A NEXUS TO SEDONA, UH, OR, AND THAT CAN BE SHOWN WITH A JOB.

UM, THERE'S PERHAPS ROOM TO DO MORE ON REQUIRING THE LENGTH OF A JOB.

IF THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO COUNCIL, THEN WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS THE SEASON WORK, WE DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY SAY THEY'RE HERE PERMANENTLY AND THEN THE JOB NOT WORK OUT AND THEY MOVE ON.

SO, UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WERE SHOWN TO COUNCIL, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION, UM, THE RAZ CLAUSE UP THERE IS THE, WAS ALSO TALKS ABOUT TRANSIT WORKERS WITH THE INTENT TO MAKE THEM PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND, AND HOPES THAT THEY'LL STAY IN AND LIVE AND WORK HERE.

UM, BUT THE, THE REQUIREMENTS THERE WERE DESIGNED TO CAPTURE THE, THE LOCAL WORKFORCE FIRST FOREMOST.

UM, AND THEN IF THERE'S AVAILABILITY, UM, AND THE, THEN IT COULD BE EXPANDED, BUT THE LOCAL WORKFORCE AND THE, UM, THOSE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS IS PUSHING IT FURTHER THAN ANY OTHER SAFE PLACE PARK.

UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES

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I'LL SHARE THEM WITH YOU.

WALKING AWAY, LEAVING THE LAND THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE WE DID THIS? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? CARRIE'S LOOKING REALLY CONFUSED.

COUNCILOR DUNN, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND THANKS FOR PUTTING UP WITH ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS UP HERE.

SO, UM, AND, AND NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME OBVIOUSLY.

UM, SO ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY BEING CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, AND I HAVE CONCERNS IS SOMEONE WHO BACKS UP TO THE FOREST SERVICE AS WELL.

AND THAT'S THE SMOKING, UM, ALLOWING SMOKING IN A VEHICLE BUT NOT OUT OF THE VEHICLE.

UM, FIRST LET'S GET REAL AND SECOND, UM, PEOPLE WILL, YOU KNOW, FLICK MATCHES OR UH, CIGARETTE BUTTS.

AND WHEN WE'RE IN OUR REALLY DRY SEASON, IT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO TAKE A LOT.

AND UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO DO AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WEED PREVENTION AND, YOU KNOW, NATURAL GROWTH, UM, IN THE AREA, UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT YES, I UNDERSTAND MANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY CURRENTLY LIVING OUT IN THE FOREST AND THERE'S NOBODY PREVENTING THEM FROM SMOKING, WHATEVER IT IS THEY CHOOSE TO SMOKE, UM, AND THROWING CIGARETTE BUTTS AND WHATEVER ELSE, AND POTENTIALLY SETTING SEDONA ON FIRE.

SO I AM AWARE OF THAT.

HOWEVER, CAN WE NOT HOLD OURSELVES TO A HIGHER STANDARD? I THINK WE COULD NOT ALLOW SMOKING AT THE SITE AT ALL.

HOWEVER, WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, WHICH THAT WAS MY FIRST INSTINCT IS LET'S JUST NOT ALLOW SMOKING, UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND PEOPLE WHO SMOKE ARE JUST GONNA WALK OUTSIDE THE PROGRAM BOUNDARIES BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT AND SMOKE OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF INSIDE THEIR CAR WHERE THEY HAVE HOPEFULLY AN ASHTRAY OR SOMETHING.

UM, I JUST, I DON'T HAVE A BETTER ANSWER TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONTROL PEOPLE'S SMOKING HABITS.

UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO EXCLUDE SMOKING FROM THE PROGRAM ENTIRELY.

, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A, A RIGHT ANSWER HERE, RIGHT? , I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HENCE THE CHALLENGE.

ADDICTIONS OR ADDICTIONS, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE.

YOU KNOW, MINE MIGHT BE CHOCOLATE, BUT, UM, WELL MINE IS SO, SO, UM, IT'S JUST, I I THINK WHEREVER POSSIBLE WE NEED TO TRY AND, AND THINK HOW WE CAN HOLD OURSELVES TO A HIGHER STANDARD, UM, AS A CITY OF SEDONA WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE WORRIED ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS AND, AND FIRE AND WILDFIRE, UM, IT IS, IT IS A CONSIDERATION.

ALL OF US HAVE, WE ALL TALK ABOUT BEING FIREWISE, SO FORTH AND SO ON.

SO, UM, IF YOU CAN GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT OR WHATEVER, I'D APPRECIATE THAT THERE MAY BE NO ANSWER.

BUT WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE CREATED AN OUTDOOR DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA? YES.

WELL, SO ARE THOSE ALL SMOKERS WHO'S JUST SAID THAT? JUST, JUST CURIOUS.

UM, LET'S GO, GO THROUGH, JUST GO THROUGH WHATEVER PROCESS TO, TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS THE ONLY ANSWER.

IF IT'S THE ONLY ANSWER, IT'S THE ONLY ANSWER.

AND NO, NO PROJECT'S EVER GONNA BE PERFECT.

AND, UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO ME, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE ONE OF THOSE DEALS WHERE, YOU KNOW, PERFECT IS THE ENEMY OF GOOD ENOUGH.

SO I, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND RAISE IT AS A CONCERN THAT, THAT I HAVE.

UM, JUST AROUND SAFETY, UM, HEALTH BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALL GROWNUPS IF YOU WANNA SMOKE AND YOU KNOW, GOD BLESS DARWIN.

SO THERE YOU GO.

UM, SO THIS IS ABOUT ABOUT, UM, DECIDING THAT WE DON'T LIKE HOW THIS IS RUNNING.

UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE CRITERION IN YOUR MIND TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROGRAM IS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT SUCCESSFUL WITHIN THE TWO YEARS? BECAUSE AT THE END OF TWO YEARS, WE'VE ALREADY SAID THIS PROJECT WILL END.

UM, BUT BEFORE THAT, HOW DO YOU AS, AS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THIS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT US APPEAR? UM, HOW WOULD YOU DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE BEING SUCCESSFUL OR NOT SUCCESSFUL? THAT'S PART ONE.

PART TWO IS IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME YOU DECIDED YOU WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW RELYING ON THIS SERVICE AND THIS SERVICE MAY NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE.

SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS? UM, AND THEN THE THIRD PART OF THIS IS IF YOU DECIDED YOU WERE GONNA TAKE IT DOWN AND, AND ACTUALLY THIS WILL APPLY IN TWO YEARS WHEN WE NO LONGER HAVE THIS OR WHENEVER THAT MIGHT BE, HOW DO YOU PERCEIVE THIS SORT OF FOLDING UP THE TENTS AND

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NO, I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE PROBABLY BETTER ANSWERED BY SHANNON AND JEANNIE 'CAUSE THEY WOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF MEMBERS IN CHARGE OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, I THINK AS FAR AS THE LAND IT IS CURRENTLY WAS DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO AS A PARKING LOT.

SO, UM, THERE WAS WASN'T, THERE'S NO VEGETATION OTHER THAN WEEDS THAT WAS BEING REMOVED FOR THIS.

IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE TREES THAT ARE THERE WILL STAY THERE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IF THIS GOES AWAY, YOU KNOW, WELL WHEN IT GOES AWAY IN TWO YEARS OR IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO END THE PROGRAM SOONER THAN THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE MADE DRASTIC CHANGES TO THE LAND, UM, IN COMPARISON TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.

UM, SO IT WOULD GO BACK TO THAT AND IT WOULD, AGAIN, IT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN OF THE CULTURAL PARK AND SOMETHING WILL GET BUILT HERE AND THAT WILL LIKELY CHANGE THE LAND MUCH MORE THAN THIS PROGRAM WOULD.

UM, I THINK BACK TO OTHER CITY PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS BEEN MUCH MORE ACTIVE IN PURSUING PROJECTS IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAN IN MY FIRST FEW YEARS HERE.

UM, BUT I THINK BACK TO THE, I THINK THE LAST ONE THAT WAS KIND OF A BIG DEAL WAS THE SHUTTLE, UM, PARKING LOT ON 1 79, WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AS WE WERE, YOU KNOW, TAKING WHAT WAS A, A CHURCH PARKING LOT AND TURNING IT INTO A SHUTTLE STOP.

UM, AND THE CITY DID, I THINK WE DID A GREAT JOB OF MANAGING THAT, RESPONDING TO NEIGHBOR CONCERNS, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAME THROUGH WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF NEIGHBOR CONCERNS ABOUT IT.

UM, AND WHEN WE CAME BACK SIX TO 12 MONTHS, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE TIMEFRAME, WHEN WE CAME BACK LATER TO DO THE ZONE CHANGE TO MAKE IT MORE PERMANENT, THEN JUST THE CUP UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAME OUT AND SAID THE CITY DID A GREAT JOB AT MANAGING THIS AND WE HAVE NO MORE CONCERNS.

AND SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD PRACTICE THOSE SAME, UM, METHODS HERE.

WHEREAS IF THERE IS A CONCERN, WE HAVE STAFF THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND ARE RESPONSIVE AND, UM, WE, WE WANT TO SEE THIS PROGRAM BE SUCCESSFUL AS WELL.

SO I GUESS THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.

AND I WOULD REFER TO SHANNON AND JEANIE.

I'M GONNA JUST TRY AND SUMMARIZE IT AT THIS.

YOU DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE DOING ANYTHING PARTICULARLY EGREGIOUS TO THE LAND AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS TODAY? WHEN WE SET THIS UP AND WHEN WE'RE READY TO TAKE IT DOWN, WHENEVER THAT MIGHT BE, WE'RE JUST GONNA ROLL UP THOSE FLATBED TRUCKS, GET RID OF THE PORTA-POTTIES AND THE SHOWERS REPURPOSE THE GENERATOR.

AND WHEN WE'RE OFF THE PROPERTY, IT WILL LOOK THE SAME AS WHEN WE STARTED ON THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE I'M HEARING YOU SAY.

THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE, YES.

PERFECT.

I'M GOING TO TURN BACK TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF STAFF ABOUT THE OTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, SO YOUR QUESTION AS TO HOW DO WE DETERMINE IF IT'S, UM, NOT SUCCESSFUL OR SUCCESSFUL, I MEAN, OR SUCCESSFUL? OBVIOUSLY WE WILL DETERMINE IT'S SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE'RE HOUSING PEOPLE.

UM, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HOUSED IS GONNA BE THE MOST CRITICAL FACTOR IN THAT.

UM, THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED PARTICIPANTS, UM, COMPARED TO MAYBE, UH, I'M SORRY, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE A NUMBER OF REGISTERED PARTICIPANTS WHO ARE ABLE TO PARK COMPARED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE TURNED AWAY WILL BE TELLING US THINGS AS WELL.

I MEAN, ALL OF THESE DATA POINTS REALLY CAN PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION TOGETHER, BUT DETERMINING IF IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL.

UM, UM, LET'S SEE HERE.

UM, IF WE HAVE WAY MORE PEOPLE THAN WE COULD POSSIBLY SERVE, I THINK THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT PROGRAM FOR THIS ELIGIBILITY FOR THE USE.

UM, COUNCILOR ELLER, WE CAN HEAR YOUR MIC ON.

OH, SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

UM, THE, THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT PEOPLE STAY, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HELP IDENTIFY PLACES FOR PEOPLE AND MOVE PEOPLE ALONG, UM, AND KIND OF ROTATE THROUGH.

SO WE DON'T WANNA HAVE 40 PEOPLE IN THE PROGRAM FOR TWO YEARS.

THAT'S NOT THE GOAL.

UM, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GATHER ABOUT, UM, THE HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE NEEDED AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BEING HOUSED, IF WE CAN PROVIDE THE RIGHT TYPE OF HOUSING THAT MEETS THEIR NEEDS, I THINK THAT WILL TELL US, UM, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.

THE, THE NEGATIVES, THE NUMBER OF POLICE RESPONSES TO THE PROGRAM SITE IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA TELL US, UM, IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.

I ACTUALLY, I, I ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION FROM THE POLICE CHIEF AND I THINK SHE TOLD ME LIKE

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MORE THAN TWO, UM, CALLS AND NOW I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS A WEEK OR A MONTH.

I NEED TO LOOK BACK.

, UM, CHIEF, CAN YOU STEP UP? HE'S RIGHT HERE.

, CAN YOU STEP UP AND ADDRESS THAT, EITHER CHIEF OR DEPUTY CHIEF, UM, ON THE MIC.

SO TYPICALLY FOR US, GOOD EVENING.

UM, TYPICALLY FOR US, IF WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE SITE AND IT'S FOR A REPEAT PERSON, THEN THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY, UM, NOT BE SUCCESSFUL.

THAT, UM, THE WARNINGS AND POTENTIAL RULES ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED.

SO JUST LIKE ANYTHING, WE TYPICALLY TRY TO GET A, A WARNING FOR COMPLIANCE.

IF WE HAVE TO RESPOND AGAIN, THEN THAT WOULD NOT BE IDEAL AND WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, REACT TO THAT SITUATION.

SO, UM, I THINK WHEN ANY PROGRAM STARTS, YOU HAVE AN ADJUSTMENT.

SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THERE WOULD BE SOME ADJUSTMENT, BUT WE WOULD ULTIMATELY WANT TO SEE THE COMPLIANCE IN THAT REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO IF WE WERE HAVING MULTIPLE CALLS AT ONE NIGHT, UM, SOME THE SAME INDIVIDUALS, THAT WOULD NOT, UM, BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

SO THE LAST PART OF THAT QUESTION WAS IN TWO YEARS, LET'S SAY IT'S SUCCESSFUL AND IN TWO YEARS WE'RE GONNA SHUT THIS DOWN.

UM, OR MAYBE I SHOULD ASK MY NEXT QUESTION FIRST, 'CAUSE THAT MIGHT HELP.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT, UM, SHELBY, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, CONFIRMED AND WE BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA BREAK GROUND IN MY LIFETIME, UM, FOR HOUSING WORKFORCE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT, THAT'S WHAT ITS INTENT IS.

UM, AND THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THAT IS 38 UNITS.

SO STARTING OUT, AM I, DO I, AM I REMEMBERING RIGHT? OR MEMORY CARE TIME OR, THE SHELBY PROJECT IS 30 UNITS, AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE THE FIRST TO BREAK GROUND.

WE ARE STILL ANTICIPATING, UM, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THEM ALL THEIR PLAN APPROVALS AND EVERYTHING IN A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY'LL BREAK GROUND IN THE FIRST HALF OF THIS YEAR.

SO BEFORE JULY 1ST.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE.

SO, UM, THE PROPOSED PROJECT ON GOODROW, I BELIEVE IS 58 UNITS.

UM, THEY HAVE PLANS IN THEIR FINAL STAGES.

I ANTICIPATE THEY WOULD BREAK GROUND BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

UM, THERE'S A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, DEVELOPMENT AT 4 0 1 JORDAN.

I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT PUTTING THAT OUT TO AN RFP.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO THAT.

WE PUT AN RFP OUT FOR THE CULTURAL PARK AND GOT SEVERAL RESPONSES.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY NONE OF THEM HAD PROJECTS THEY COULD FUND TODAY WITHOUT USING THE LITECH PROGRAM.

AND THAT'S SO A LOT LOWER LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY THAN WE WERE LOOKING FOR, CONSIDERING WE ALREADY HAVE ONE LITECH PROJECT BEING BUILT.

SO TRYING TO KEEP THE AFFORDABILITY LEVELS ACROSS THE SPECTRUM.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE PROPOSALS FOR THAT SITE IF WE CAN WORK OUT THE FUNDING.

UM, THERE ARE PROBABLY FOUR OTHER PROJECTS IN VARIOUS PHASES OF FREE, OF PRE-DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO WILL WE HAVE, UM, THE 1300 UNITS THAT WE NEED IN TWO YEARS? PROBABLY NOT, BUT HOPEFULLY WE HAVE ENOUGH UNITS THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE BY THAT TIME.

UM, FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T FOUND HOUSING BY THAT TIME, UM, WE PLAN TO USE THE FEES THAT COME FROM THE PROGRAM TO HELP SUPPORT FOLKS WITH DOWN PAYMENT AS OR NOT DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.

UM, RENTAL, RENTAL, RENTAL ASSISTANCE, RENTAL DEPOSIT ASSISTANCE, UM, AND FIRST MONTH'S RENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR MOVE, MOVE-IN ASSISTANCE.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYONE WILL KNOW WELL IN ADVANCE WHEN THE PROGRAM IS CLOSING AND HOPEFULLY I WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT A SUCCESS IF WE HAD TO TELL A BUNCH OF PEOPLE GO BACK INTO HIDING AND, YOU KNOW, LIVE IN YOUR CAR SOME MORE.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE GOAL, BUT THIS GIVES US TWO YEARS OF TIME TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO HOUSING AND MATCH HOUSING THAT IS BEING BUILT TO THEIR NEEDS.

SO AT LEAST WE, WE SUSPECT THAT BY THE TIME THIS PROGRAM IS WINDING DOWN, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE SHELBY UP AND RUNNING, AND THEREFORE AT LEAST 30 OF THOSE VEHICLES SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND HOUSING SOMEWHERE IN SEDONA, WE HOPE.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE PART OF THE OVERALL HOUSING STRATEGY.

ALSO, WE, WE DIDN'T, UM, I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THERE ARE ALSO PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF SEDONA HAPPENING BECAUSE THE OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS AND UNINCORPORATED AREAS NEED HOUSING JUST AS BADLY AS WE DO.

UM, SO THERE ARE SIMILAR PROJECTS, UM, IN COTTONWOOD.

THERE'S A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROJECT, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY UNHOUSED.

SO, UM, JUST BRINGING ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM.

[02:15:01]

AND, UM, JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE, WHAT I JUST HEARD WAS THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERDE VALLEY WIDE EFFORT IN SOME REGARD TO TRY AND HOUSE THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WORKING WITHIN THE VERDE VALLEY AND CURRENTLY CANNOT AFFORD HOUSING.

UH, COUNCILOR FUL, BEFORE YOU BEGIN, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT IF WE COULD SUSPEND THESE QUESTIONS SO WE CAN LET SOME OF THE QUESTIONS TO THE AUDIENCE.

UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE COUNCILOR FULTZ GO, AND THEN I'M GONNA GO AND THEN WE'LL, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALREADY, OH NO, YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN SPEAK.

TWO AND A HALF TO THREE HOURS.

YES, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT THIS IS A PROCESS OF MAYBE YOU'LL HEAR SOME THINGS THAT WILL, UH, ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS BEFOREHAND.

AND THEN WE, ONCE WE ARE DONE WITH ASKING QUESTIONS, WE WILL SHIFT GEARS AND TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT OF WHICH WE HAVE QUITE A FEW WITH THREE MINUTES EACH.

WE HAVE 63 64 CARDS.

THAT'S YOU PEOPLE, AND EVERYBODY GETS THREE MINUTES.

SO I THINK THEY'RE STILL HERE.

WELL, BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE HOPE WILL SOLVE SOME OF YOUR, YOUR, UH, CONCERNS.

AND IF NOT, WELL WELL, THIS IS A PROCESS.

SO I HAVE, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND IT'S REALLY JUST CLARIFYING WHAT I'VE HEARD CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE.

EXCUSE QUESTION.

QUIET PLEASE.

SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD OR READ, UH, WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TIME HAS THE COMMUNITY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE AWARE OR BECOME AWARE OF SAFE PLACE TO PARK? AND, UH, THE TIMELINE THAT I HAVE, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION, IS THAT, UH, THIS FIRST CAME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AS PART OF ITS PRIORITY SETTING, UH, RETREAT IN JANUARY OF 2023.

OH OH, IN 2023.

THREE, YEAH.

SO, SO THIS HAS BEEN A, A CONCEPT AT LEAST IN THE PUBLIC FORUM FOR ABOUT 14 MONTHS AT THIS TIME.

THEN SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, COUNCIL DID APPROVE, UM, UH, A BUDGET APPROPRIATION FOR FISCAL 24, AND THAT OCCURRED IN JUNE OF 2023, FOLLOWED BY ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET IN AUGUST OF 2023.

AND THEN WE'VE HAD CERTAIN ADDITIONAL, UH, BRIEFINGS FROM THE HOUSING STAFF.

SO, UM, IS THAT YOUR, ALSO YOUR RECOLLECTION OF THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO BECOME AWARE OF THE PROGRAM? YES.

AND HAVE YOU PROVIDED A-A-F-A-Q, UH, AND A WEBSITE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AT THIS POINT? YES.

SO PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT THIS.

FAIR ENOUGH.

I BELIEVE SO.

THE OTHER AREA THAT I'VE SEEN SOME INTERESTING, UH, THOUGHTS, UH, ACROSS SOCIAL MEDIA IN PARTICULAR IS COULDN'T THIS MONEY HAVE BEEN USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE? AND, UH, SHANNON, YOU SPECIFICALLY WENT BACK TO EIGHT OH, AND ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THAT.

COULD YOU SPEAK TO, UM, THE COMPETITIVE NATURE OF THE GRANT PROCESS TO START WITH? YEAH, SO, UM, I BELIEVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS FOR THIS GRANT FUNDING WAS 114, AND THEY FUNDED 17 APPLICATIONS, ONE OF THOSE BEING OURS.

UM, BECAUSE IT WAS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE APPLIED FOR LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FUNDED.

UM, AND WE WERE ALSO TOLD IF AT THIS TIME WE ASK TO REPROGRAM OR CHANGE THE USE OF THE FUNDS, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE, THE PROGRAMS THAT WERE DENIED FUNDING.

SO LIKE SPECIFICALLY THE IDEA OF RENT VOUCHERS.

UH, I BELIEVE THE FEEDBACK WAS, GEE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS HAD WANTED, WELL, WE TURNED DOWN OTHER GRANT REQUESTS FOR THAT IN MARKETS OR CITIES WHERE THE MONEY WOULD'VE GONE A LOT FURTHER.

SO BASICALLY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN IT.

AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE LIKE TO INVEST IN A SHELTER, FOR INSTANCE, THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO EXECUTE ON THAT GIVEN THE TIMEFRAME REQUIRED BY THE GRANT ITSELF? CORRECT.

SO WE WEREN'T AWARE, UM, THAT THERE WAS CAPACITY TO MANAGE A ANOTHER SHELTER FOR THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION HERE IN SEDONA AT THAT TIME.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, IF WE WERE TO ASK NOW TO REPROGRAM THOSE FUNDS FOR A SHELTER, WE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BECAUSE, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING BELIEVES, AND I AGREE, THAT A HOMELESS SHELTER SERVES A TOTALLY DIFFERENT POPULATION THAN THE POPULATION THAT WE'RE SERVING WITH THIS PROGRAM.

COUNCILOR, UH, WILLIAMSON? UH, YES.

AND THEN, THEN I'LL GO AND I, I'LL, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.

[02:20:01]

KNOW.

SPEAK.

UM, LET'S SEE.

I HAD, UM, TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION OF TIMING.

IF WE FIND OUT IN THREE MONTHS SAY THAT IT AIN'T WORKING, IT AIN'T SERVING THE RIGHT PEOPLE, PEOPLE AREN'T SHOWING UP, THERE'S TOO MUCH DISTURBANCE, UM, HOW QUICKLY CAN WE SAY, GOOD, WE TRIED.

IS IT WORKING? SHUT IT DOWN.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA BE ABLE TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY? UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE GRANT, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE GRANT? SO THE GRANT IS REIMBURSABLE, SO WE WOULDN'T GET REIMBURSED FOR FUNDS THAT WE DON'T SPEND.

WELL THAT, WELL, SO THE ANSWER, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS IF WE DECIDE TO CUT IT DOWN TO SHUT IT DOWN, WE WOULDN'T SUBMIT ANY MORE CLAIMS AND WE JUST WOULDN'T TAKE ANY MORE OF THEIR MONEY.

IT WOULD BE OVER.

THERE'S NO PROBLEM JUST SHUTTING IT DOWN.

IN TERMS OF, OF A PROGRAM THERE, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY IT COULDN'T BE SHUT DOWN, UH, VERY, VERY QUICKLY AFTER WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE END UP MAKING THAT DETERMINATION? I BELIEVE IF WE MADE THAT DETERMINATION, WE COULD CLOSE THE GATE AND NOT OPEN THE NEXT DAY.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM DOING THAT.

UM, HOWEVER, WE WILL HAVE RENTAL EQUIPMENT ON SITE.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M SAYING THERE'S STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT THAT IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO, UM, TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS HOW THE, THE CONTRACTS ADDRESS THAT WITH THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION, UM, I NEED TO REVISIT WHAT THE SORT OF EXIT CLAUSE IS THERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW, KURT, IF YOU KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, IT'S, IT'S AT WILL.

SO WE, WE CAN TERMINATE, UH, JUST UPON PROVIDING NOTICE AND, AND MAY COUNSEL ALSO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THERE'S, UH, NOTHING LEGALLY TO PREVENT THE CITY FROM CLOSING IMMEDIATELY.

IT'S JUST LIKE A HOTEL THAT DECIDES IT DOESN'T WANNA BE A HOTEL ANYMORE.

OR IT'S JUST LIKE AN, UH, OVERNIGHT KOA CAMPGROUND THAT DOESN'T WANT TO DO CAMPGROUNDS ANYMORE.

THEY JUST DON'T RENT OUT ANYMORE.

THERE'S NO LEASEHOLD INTEREST BY ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS.

THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO LEAVE EVERY MORNING AT 8:00 AM THERE'S NO LEGAL OBLIGATION EITHER FINANCIALLY OR LEGALLY TO CONTINUE IT IF WE DECIDE IT'S NOT WORKING.

CORRECT.

UH, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS IN TERMS OF VEHICLES.

YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THERE WERE VIS VEHICLE REQUIREMENTS.

COULD YOU REMIND ME WHAT THOSE ARE? UM, THAT YOU HAVE TO BE IN AN OPERABLE MOTOR VEHICLE HAVE, UM, DRIVER'S LICENSE AND REGISTRATION.

INSURANCE, DID YOU WANT, I HAVEN'T GONE GONE YET, SO DO YOU MIND IF I GO BEFORE WHAT AND WHAT INSURANCE AND INSURANCE QUESTION? NO, I, WHAT, THAT WAS THE QUESTION I GOT.

I WANT YOU ANSWER.

SO I WANT TO DO YOUR, THANK YOU.

THE PEOPLE GETTING, UH, ANSWER AS YOU SAID, HOPEFULLY WE'RE ANSWERING SOME OF THEIR QUESTIONS.

WELL, I'M HOPING THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE POINT, POINT IS.

THEY SAID THAT IT WILL NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY.

UH, I, I DID WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT, IBEL, I, CARRIE, I THINK IT WAS YOU WHO SAID THAT NO COMMENTS HAVE COME IN SINCE THE PACKET WAS RELEASED.

I'LL START WITH THE METRICS QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR THAT LIST OF, OF METRIC ITEMS. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAD ANY IN MY MIND IN ADDITION TO THAT.

SO I I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, UH, SO THE REST OF THE QUESTION THEN IS WHAT WILL BE THE REPORTING FREQUENCY, UH, UM, UH, AND AND FORMAT? WILL IT BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE? WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR IDEA OF HOW WE GET THIS DATA OUT? UM, SO THE GRANT REQUIRES QUARTERLY REPORTING.

UM, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO SHARE THAT DATA QUARTERLY WITH COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.

UM, OBVIOUSLY OUR STAFF WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE REPORTS FROM THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION MORE FREQUENTLY, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE BEGINNING AS WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE POPULATION BETTER AND THE NEEDS OF THE PROGRAM.

GIVEN THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC SCRUTINY ON THIS PROJECT, I'M, IT'S NOT CONVINCED THAT QUARTERLY IS MAYBE THE RIGHT FREQUENCY.

AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, AND IT WOULD, ARE YOU SAYING IT WOULD JUST BE A, A DOCUMENT PDF DOCUMENT ONLINE? OR ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA PROVIDE DATA SO PEOPLE CAN WORK WITH DATA? DO WE HAVE THOUGHTS ON HOW TO DO THAT? WE CAN PROVIDE DATA, UM, AND PUT IT ONLINE.

WE CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL QUARTERLY TO DISCUSS.

UM, WE CAN GIVE MORE THAN DATA.

WE CAN INCLUDE NARRATIVE.

UM, I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, IN THE DISCUSSION PORTION OF THIS COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS ABOUT FREQUENCY OF REPORTING FOR THAT.

LET ME ASK SOME OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AS, AS, UM, THE PRESENTATION WAS GOING ON.

[02:25:03]

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN LOTS OF COMMENTS IN THROUGH THE CLERK AND OTHER METHODS SINCE THE I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY IN THE PAST.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYONE OUT THERE LISTENING OR IN THE AUDIENCE KNOWS THAT IF YOU SUBMITTED YOUR COMMENTS LATER THAN WHEN THE PACKET WAS AVAILABLE, WE DID GET THOSE COMMENTS AND WE SPENT, UH, DAYS READING COMMENTS, THAT'S FOR SURE.

UH, MY NEXT QUESTION, UM, SHANNON, YOU MENTIONED THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT REVIEW PANEL TO, CAN YOU GIMME SOME MORE IDEAS OF WHO'S, WHO'S THE REVIEW PANEL? HOW DOES THAT OPERATE? WE HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED YET EXACTLY WHO IT WOULD BE, BUT I ANTICIPATE THAT KURT WOULD BE ON IT.

UM, PROBABLY MYSELF AND JEANIE.

UM, OKAY.

THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

MAYBE NOT ALL THE DETAILS ARE YET WORKED OUT, BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE THINKING THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT TO HELP INDEPENDENTLY REVIEW THAT STUFF.

THAT'S GREAT.

ON THIS, UH, LIST OF, UH, DATA IS THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ACTIVELY TRYING TO BECOME HOUSED IN REASONS.

AND IT KIND OF TOUCHES ON PERHAPS SOME QUESTIONS THAT SOME OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ASKED AS WELL.

AND, AND SO I THINK I WANNA ASK THE QUESTION TO BE CLEAR.

IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS WORKING, GETS THROUGH THE SCREENING PROCESS AND ISN'T USING THE SERVICES, THEY'RE IN THAT COUNT OF THAT BOTTOM CRITERIA, ARE THEY STILL ALLOWED TO RETURN? DO THEY NEED TO BE ACTIVELY COOPERATING WITH THE PROGRAM TO HELP OR? I, I BELIEVE YES, THEY WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED TO RETURN UNLESS WE ADD SOMETHING TO SORT OF THE CURRENT PROGRAM AS IT IS.

UM, THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT.

UM, EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT ACTIVELY TRYING TO BE HOUSED, THEY COULD BE PROVIDING US INFORMATION THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND HOW TO ADDRESS THIS TYPE OF HOMELESSNESS.

I ANTICIPATED THAT AS WELL.

AND AND I THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU'RE MEASURING IT AND WE WILL GET THAT DATA.

UM, ONE OF THE IDEAS I WOULD CURIOUS IF YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THE RATE GOES UP FOR SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY WANT HELP BUT WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SERVICES AND NOW WE CHARGE MORE.

SO JUST AN I AN IDEA YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD YES.

SO THAT'S INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT.

MAYBE AS, AS WE MOVE ON, UH, ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION THAT I STARTED WITH ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD SOME OTHER QUESTIONS PERHAPS IS A GOOD IDEA TO DO A NICE PHOTO SURVEY OF THE SITE NOW ON THAT BORDER.

AND SO WE CAN DOCUMENT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND AND KNOW OVER TIME, UH, WHAT THE CHANGE IS, WHETHER THAT'S PHOTOS OR VIDEOS OR DRONE SHOTS OR WHATEVER WE HAVE CAPABLE.

BUT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.

CITY MANAGER, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPORTIVE? SORRY FOR WAKING.

I DID MISS THAT COUNSELOR.

I WAS, UH, MENTIONING THE, UH, IDEA ABOUT DOING SOME TYPE OF PHOTO DOCUMENTATION, PHOTO VIDEO, DRONE SHOTS, WHATEVER OF THE AREA OF, ESPECIALLY PARTICULARLY THE BORDER.

BUT WE, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT OTHER CONCERNS THAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE AND IT MIGHT BE GOOD JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING LOCKED IN THE CABINET.

SO SURE.

WE CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE.

WE DO ALREADY HAVE SOME OH, WONDERFUL.

DOCUMENTATION OF THE STATE.

DATA IN YOUR DATABASE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PULL AND KNOW OVER TIME.

I HAD A QUESTION THAT WAS KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THE CHIEF CHIEF ANSWERED ONE KIND OF QUESTION.

IT MIGHT BE A CHIEF QUESTION, IT MIGHT BE A CITY MANAGER QUESTION THAT I, I'M SURE THAT THE CHIEF HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THE LOAD ON, ON HER DEPARTMENT AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THE TRIGGER IN THE CHIEF'S MIND OR IN THE CITY MANAGER'S MIND ABOUT, OOH, THIS IS NOW REQUIRING MORE PUBLIC SERVICE, PUBLIC SAFETY ACTIVITY THAN WE THOUGHT.

IT'S EITHER GONNA BE A BUDGET ACTION OR A, IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT SHUTTING THE PROGRAM DOWN.

AND I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THOUGHT HAS GONE IN PREPARING FOR THAT EVENTUALITY.

THANK YOU, COUNSELOR.

AS THE CHIEF MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE A TRANSITION PERIOD ONCE THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK OPENS UP, BUT IT'S HARD TO PUT A NUMBER ON.

WHAT'S GONNA SAY IS, IS TOO MUCH CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, WE PATROL THAT AREA AS IT IS, AS, UH, THE CULTURAL PARK.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S WITHIN THE CITY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BASICALLY GONNA TAKE A LITTLE TIME FOR, UH, EVERYBODY TO GET SETTLED IN.

IF THE PROGRAM GETS APPROVED FOR US TO SAY IT'S TAXING OUR RESOURCES, THAT AREA'S CURRENTLY IN A BEAT, IT'S PATROLLED AND WE'LL SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON A, A REGULAR BASIS, WE'LL HAVE TO CONSTANTLY EVALUATE TO SEE, UH, THE OVERALL, UH, SUCCESS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR US AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT AVAILABLE

[02:30:01]

YES SIR.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO PULL THE, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THE, THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

DO YOU, I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU FOR WHAT THE METRIC IS.

ARE YOU PREPARED WITH A METRIC IN YOUR OWN MINDS NOW OF HOW MANY CALLS FOR SERVICE WILL START TO MAKE YOU CONCERNED? I I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THAT SOME MORE THOUGHT AND GET BACK TO YOU.

I DON'T WANNA KNOW THE NUMBER, I JUST WANNA KNOW THAT YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, .

OH YES.

AND COUNSELOR.

I, I JUST ADD TO THAT, THAT I, I'VE SAT RIGHT HERE AND LISTENED TO, UM, CONCERNS, FEARS ABOUT VARIOUS PROJECTS.

EVERYTHING FROM A SHARED USE PATH TO THIS IS, IS GOING TO, IT'S GONNA BE A BURDEN ON POLICE.

IT'S GONNA RESULT IN CRIME, IT'S GONNA RESULT IN, AND IT, AND IT DOESN'T MATERIALIZE.

THIS IS A CONTAINED LIMITED WITH OVERSIGHT 365 DAYS A YEAR.

SO I DON'T HAVE THE CONCERNS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF MANPOWER DRAIN ON, ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ABLE TO TRACK AND MONITOR AND STAY ON TOP OF.

APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, SAME, THANK YOU SIR.

YOU THINK, THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

AND THEN MY LAST, UH, QUESTION, IT GOT BACK TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD BEFORE.

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A LITTLE QUIET ABOUT REGISTERING IN ADVANCE? THANK YOU.

AND A QUESTION I HAD WAS ABOUT INTERNET ACCESS ON THE SITE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GREAT.

IS IT WAS, AM I MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT OR IS IT DEPENDS ON YOUR CARRIER? APPARENTLY, BECAUSE WE HAD REPORTS BOTH WAYS, BUT WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, PROVIDING SOME TYPE OF A BOOSTER THERE TO SUPPORT INTERNET SERVICE.

AND THAT CERTAINLY IMPACTS OUR ABILITY TO, TO MANAGE THIS PROGRAM REAL TIME WITH PEOPLE CHECKING TOO, IF THE INTERNET SERVICE ISN'T GOOD, THAT WON'T HAPPEN.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW, MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT, NOW I, I WILL GO ON.

I HAVE ONLY A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, SHANNON, YOU MENTIONED BEFORE THAT FOR IF THE CASE AROSE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE A PHYSICAL ADDRESS AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS CORRECT OR NOT.

'CAUSE IF THEY HAD A PHYSICAL ADDRESS, UH, IT WISH TO PROVIDE THE APP ON THE APPLICATION.

MAYBE I MISHEARD, BUT, UH, THEN IF THEY HAD AN ADDRESS, THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO PARK IN THEIR CAR.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING I MISHEARD? I THINK SO.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BUT NO, THEY WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PHYSICAL ADDRESS TO PARTICIPATE IN.

I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR THE APPLICATION THAT THEY WOULD PUT DOWN ON, ON THE FORM.

SO I MISHEARD.

THAT'S WHAT I WANNA BE SURE.

I THINK MAYBE YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UM, SEDONA IN THE, IN THE REQUIREMENTS SHOWING THE NEXUS TO SEDONA.

UM, FOR, FOR, UM, THE EXCEPTIONS, SO FOLKS WHO WOULD BE, UM, CLAIMING THEY DON'T WORK BECAUSE THEY'RE RETIRED OR DISABLED, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO SHOW THAT NEXUS TO SEDONA.

AND ONE WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW DOCUMENTATION WITH A PREVIOUS SEDONA ADDRESS.

SO OF THIS PROJECT, WHAT'S THE CLOSEST, UH, NEIGHBOR? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE AWAY? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE THROUGH THE FOREST.

SO NOT ON THE ROADWAYS.

SO FOR REFERENCE ON THIS MAP YOU HAVE, THIS IS THE SITE, THIS TO THE EDGE OF THE SITE HERE IS APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF A MILE.

THIS IS A TIMESHARE RESORT.

THIS IS A, LIKE THESE FIRST LOTS HERE ARE, IT'S A SUBDIVISION THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, SO THERE'S NO HOUSES THERE.

SO THERE ARE SOME HOUSES ALONG BRISTOL CONE, BUT NOT RIGHT ALONG THIS BORDER.

AND THEN THE PARK PLACE DEVELOPMENT IS HERE, SO THAT MIGHT BE, BUT YEAH.

BUT FOR REFERENCE, THE PER THE PINK LINE TO THIS LINE HERE IS ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE.

IN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT'S EITHER SMOKE IN THE CAR OR NO SMOKING AT ALL, BUT IS THAT A POSSIBILITY TO SMOKE? YOU PUT A PAIR DOWN HOWEVER MANY FEET AS I ASKED EARLIER, IF A DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA IS MORE APPEALING, WE CAN DO THAT.

UM, LET'S GO BACK TO THE SMOKING.

UH, I'M NOT KEEN ON PEOPLE SMOKING IN THE FOREST AND I'M CONCERNED OF, UH, THAT PEOPLE WILL DO IT IF THEY'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY AND IF THEY WERE TO WALK OUT OR GET OUT, THEY COULDN'T GET BACK IN, I WOULD BELIEVE.

BUT, AND I HEARD SOME GRUMBLING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PARK ON THE SITE, UH, UH, SMOKE ON THE SITE.

BUT WOULD IT BE OUT OF THE REALM OR ANY RULES THAT SAY WE COULDN'T PUT A PAD DOWN PAVEMENT, UH, BLOCKS SO IT COULD BE RIPPED, YOU KNOW, TAKEN UP, NOT CONCRETE, POURED, MARKED.

IT WOULD BE A DESIGNATED PLACE TO, TO SMOKE AND THIS WOULD GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.

GOD, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'D WANT TO, I'M NOT A SMOKER, NEVER HAVE BEEN.

BUT PEOPLE WANNA DO THESE THINGS.

I WOULD JUST HATE HATE TO SEE SOMEBODY LEAVE THE PREMISES AND SMOKE AND CAUSE A FIRE.

SO IS IT

[02:35:01]

UM, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE TO PUT DOWN A PAD BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIRT THERE.

UM, AS LONG AS THERE'S NOTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY LIGHT UP.

THAT'S OKAY.

WE, I THINK WE'RE ALL COGNIZANT OF FOREST FIRES.

UM, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE VERDE VALLEY, UH, GROUP THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLING THIS BRIEFLY 'CAUSE I WANNA GET TO QUESTIONS.

BUT BRIEFLY TELL US ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS.

I KNOW YOU HAVE THE COTTONWOOD CHIEF HERE, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

IF MAYBE HE COULD TOUCH ON HOW QUALIFIED, I MEAN, WE SAW DURING OUR LAST MEETING, IT WAS QUITE AMAZING WHAT WE LEARNED ABOUT THEM IN THAT ONE MEETING.

BUT FOR THE AUDIENCE THAT'S HERE TODAY, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL? I THINK I'LL LET RHONDA TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION, IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU.

THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

UM, THE BRODE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION HAS BEEN A 5 0 1 C3 SINCE 2018.

WE'VE RUN A DAY CENTER SINCE I JOINED IN 2020.

WE TOOK IT FROM A FIVE DAY A WEEK, DAYTIME ONLY CENTER THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

WE OPENED SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND LATER THAT YEAR WE OPENED AS A TEMPORARY EMERGENCY SHELTER.

WE ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, UM, FOR PEOPLE USING THE SHELTER TO FIND THEMSELVES HOMELESS.

I HAVE EDUCATED MYSELF ABOUT THE HOMELESSNESS PROBLEM AND HAVE BECOME AN ADVOCATE AND HOPE TO, BY TAKING ON THIS PROJECT TO SERVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE IT'S, IT, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE AND WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO TRANSITION TO HOUSING, BACK TO HOUSING.

EXCELLENT.

AND WHAT'S YOUR SUCCESS RATE, UH, FOR OTHER, OR MAYBE NOT SUCCESS RATE, BUT YOUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE, THE, UH, CLIENTS? IS THAT WHAT THEY REFER TO? SO OUR, WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY BECAUSE THEY DO SLEEP AT OUR SHELTER.

SO WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH OUR CLIENTS.

BUT CAN YOU MOVE YOUR, YOUR MIC CLOSER? SURE.

UM, KNOWING THAT THE POPULATION THAT WE SERVE IS LESS HIGH FUNCTIONING THAN PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY EMPLOYED AND LIVING IN THEIR CARS, UM, WE ARE STARTING A LOT OF TIMES FROM THE BASICS.

SO SOMEBODY WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, GETTING THEM INTO TREATMENT.

I'M WORKING WITH SPECTRUM RIGHT NOW.

THEY HAVE A VAN THAT COMES TO OUR FACILITY EVERY WEEK.

I'VE SPOKEN TO THEM ABOUT COMING OUT HERE, UM, IN THE FUTURE IF WE CAN, IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS PROGRAM AND THEY ARE AMENABLE TO DOING THAT, SO WE CAN GET PEOPLE HEALTHCARE SERVICES, WE CAN GET THEM SIGNED UP IF THEY NEED HEALTHCARE, UM, INSURANCE.

AND, UM, SO WE, WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO START WITH BABY STEPS OF GETTING THEM INTO HEALTHCARE, POSSIBLY, UM, HELPING THEM GET JOBS.

AND ONCE THEY'RE MAKING THOSE STEPS AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET THEM INTO OUR HOMELESS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN HELP THEM INTO HOUSING BECAUSE WE HAVE PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND, UM, US VETS AND THE VETERANS PROGRAM THAT WE CAN HELP GET PEOPLE INTO HOUSING.

THEY JUST HAVE TO BE PART OF THE, A PART OF THE MECHANISM THAT GETS THEM INTO HOUSING.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THEY ARE VERY GOOD ABOUT IF YOU DON'T ABIDE BY THE RULES, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.

SO THE, UM, THE PEOPLE HERE IN SEDONA, THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR.

I DON'T, THEY MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH YOUR ORGANIZATION.

SO THE COTTONWOOD CHIEF IS HERE AND I'M SURE HE'S HAD SOME KIND OF ENGAGEMENT WITH YOU AND CHIEF, WOULD YOU MIND STEPPING UP? AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME.

EVENING MAYOR, UH, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, CHRISTOPHER DOWELL.

I AM THE CURRENT INTERIM CHIEF FOR THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD.

UM, SO WE, UH, WE'VE BEEN PART OF THE, UM, UH, BOARD OF DIRECTORS WITH THE HOMELESS COALITION SINCE ITS EXISTENCE.

AND WHEN I SAY WE, UM, THAT IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD FOR THE, FOR THEIR EXISTENCE.

I AM THE CURRENT BOARD MEMBER.

UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF COLLABORATION THAT GOES ON THERE.

SO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO'S ON THE BOARD.

UM, I SPEAK WITH CHIEF FOLEY QUITE A BIT.

IN FACT, TODAY WE JUST TALKED ABOUT A SITUATION WITH A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL.

UM, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, I WAS A LITTLE BIT SKEPTICAL OF THE SITUATION WHEN I FIRST CAME TO COTTONWOOD.

UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, WITH THE RULES THAT THE HOMELESS COALITION HAS AND ENFORCES, UM, THERE WON'T BE MULTIPLE CALLS TO THE SITE.

THEY ARE VERY, UM, THEY POLICE THEMSELVES.

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UM, AND IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT THE SERVICES.

WE'RE THEREFORE THE GROUP AS A TOTAL GET TO GET THE SERVICES OF NOT ONE INDIVIDUAL.

SO IF ONE PERSON'S DISRUPTING THAT, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THEY HAVE TO GO.

UM, OUR EXPERIENCE WITH RESPONSE TO THE HOMELESS COALITION HAS BEEN MINIMAL.

UM, AGAIN, WE DO RESPOND TO TIMES WE HAVE THOSE INCIDENTS, BUT IT'S HONESTLY MINIMAL.

AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A POLICE OFFICER WHO THAT'S THEIR SOLE JOB.

THEY'RE AN OUTREACH SERVICE OFFICER AND WHEN THEY HAVE A CHALLENGE OR SOMETHING, THEY COME TO THE HOMELESS COALITION AND THEY TAKE CARE OF IT.

AND IT KIND OF HELPS WITH THAT COLLABORATION.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO ME.

I APPRECIATE YOU EVEN COMING TONIGHT.

THAT'S VERY NICE.

UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR MY QUESTIONS.

I'D LIKE TO TURN, UH, THE MIC OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER WHO WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE, SOME ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP RECENTLY ABOUT THE PROPERTY, UH, TO ADDRESS SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

LAND USE DECISION IS MADE.

UM, MAYOR, THERE HAS BEEN, UM, CONCERN EXPRESSED FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT WORK BEING DONE AT THE SITE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT THAT ISN'T.

UM, ON JANUARY 9TH, THE COUNCIL HAD A WORK SESSION ON THIS PROGRAM AND UNANIMOUSLY DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

COUNCIL MAKES THAT POLICY DECISION, WHICH IS YOUR ROLE, AND THEN YOU TASK ME WITH FIGURING OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.

AND THAT IS MY ROLE.

SO STAFF HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK, UM, TO GET TO THIS POINT, STARTING AS COL UH, COUNSELOR FOLTZ POINTED OUT 14 MONTHS AGO.

SO WE MADE THE APPLICATION TO PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THIS LAND USE TO HAPPEN.

UM, TOOK THAT THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

AND NOW THAT'S BEFORE YOU FOR ACTION.

WE NEGOTIATED THE CONTRACT WITH THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION TO, FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT OF THE PROGRAM THAT IS NOW IN FRONT OF YOU FOR YOUR ACTION.

WE FINALIZED THE GRANT AGREEMENT WITH A DO THAT IS NOW IN FRONT OF YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

WE'VE BEEN BUILDING A BUDGET, OBTAINING BIDS AND PRICING, DETERMINING LEAD TIMES, PHASING PLANS, UH, FOR THE TEMPORARY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS PROJECT.

IF THE EXPENDITURES ARE OVER 100,000, THOSE WILL COME TO YOU LATER IF THIS IS APPROVED.

IF THEY ARE UNDER THAT THRESHOLD, THEN THAT IS WITHIN MY AUTHORITY TO, UH, APPROVE THOSE PURCHASES.

AND WE'VE BEEN REFINING THE PROGRAM, DETERMINING THE RULES AND ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC INPUT.

YOU HEARD THOSE DETAILS TONIGHT.

AND YES, WE DID SOME GRADING AND SITE PREP.

WE LAID GRAVEL AND MILLINGS FROM OUR SURPLUS MATERIALS YARD.

WE DIDN'T BUY ANY MATERIAL.

WE TOOK THOSE BECAUSE THE ACCESS WAS GETTING MUDDY.

AND WE HAD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.

WE HAD STAFF THAT NEEDED TO ACCESS THE SITE.

AND WE HAD COUNSELORS WHO WANTED TO GO PUT EYES ON IT SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DELIBERATION AND YOUR DECISIONS, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, THE MAINTENANCE STAFF LAID SOME FIRE HOSE ON THE GROUND TO DELINEATE PARKING SPACES TO, BECAUSE THAT SITE, YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT AN AERIAL MAP.

THERE'S TOPOGRAPHY, THERE IS SOME VEGETATION.

AND WE HAD TO MAKE SOME DETERMINATIONS ABOUT WHAT THE SIZING WOULD BE SO THAT WHEN WE COME TO YOU WITH A SITE PLAN, IT'S BASED ON REALITY.

UM, SO YES, WE NEEDED TO GO OUT THERE.

YOU MENTIONED AND ASK THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ABOUT THE, UM, THE WATER REUSE AND THE WORK WITH A DEQ.

THOSE FOLKS NEEDED TO ACCESS THE SITE TO GET OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT.

UM, YOU ASKED ABOUT FENCING.

WE NEEDED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE AREAS WITH TOPOGRAPHY THAT CREATE NATURAL BARRIERS VERSUS WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH LINEAR FOOT AND WHAT KIND OF FENCING WOULD BE NEEDED.

THAT IS OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

UM, AND WE WOULD'VE BEEN CRITICIZED IF WE HADN'T DONE THAT TYPE OF DUE DILIGENCE AND DIDN'T BRING YOU A SOLID REFINED PLAN.

IN MY OPINION, NONE OF THIS WORK CAN REASONABLY BE CHARACTERIZED AS CONSTRUCTION.

NONE OF IT HAS CHANGED THE EXISTING LAND USE OR VIOLATES CURRENT ZONING.

NONE OF IT IS PERMANENT.

NONE OF IT REQUIRED A PERMIT.

IT ALSO DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.

IT WAS DONE AS WORKLOAD ALLOWED DURING NORMAL STAFF SCHEDULES AND NO OTHER EXPENDITURES WERE MADE.

STAFF HAVE NOT INSTALLED AND WILL NOT BE INSTALLING THE FENCING, THE GATES, THE PORTABLE SHOWERS, THE PORTABLE BATHROOMS, THE SIGNAGE, THE SOLAR BALLARD LIGHTING, OR ANY OTHER ELEMENTS UNTIL A FINAL

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SO ANYONE CLAIMING THAT THE PROJECT HAS BEEN BUILT IS FLAT WRONG.

THE MINOR SITE PREP IS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED FROM STAFF WHEN COUNSEL DIRECTS US TO MOVE A PROJECT FORWARD.

AND I STAND BY THE WORK THAT WAS DONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VICE MAYOR.

AND YOU STOPPED THAT WORK.

I MEAN, IT WAS COMPLETED.

THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT.

THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL WORK GOING ON OUT THERE.

AND THERE WEREN'T TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS SPENT.

NO, THERE WERE NO EXPENDITURES OTHER THAN STAFF TIME ON EXISTING STAFF HOURS.

COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON.

SO I WANNA GET TO THE QUESTIONS.

NEVERMIND.

I, I GO ON.

READY.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S BEST TO GO TO GO ON AND, UH, LET THE PEOPLE, RIGHT.

UH, SO NOW I I, WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA TAKE A BREAK FOR A WHILE.

WE'RE GONNA WAIT TO TAKE OUR BREAK BECAUSE I WANT, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WANNA LEAVE.

UH, BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ALL TO DO IS BE POLITE AND COURTEOUS TO PEOPLE WHO SPEAK.

WE DON'T MIND IF YOU APPLAUD.

I PREFER YOU DON'T BOO.

YOU DON'T WANNA INTIMIDATE, YOU DON'T WANNA BULLY ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S UP ON THE MIC.

AND WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN AT THE P AND Z MEETING.

SO WE'RE JUST GONNA ASK YOU TO TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING YOU TO DO.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MUZZLE ANYBODY BY NOT MAKING NOISE.

NOT APPLAUDING, JUST DON'T BULLY PEOPLE.

IT WAS TERRIBLE WHAT I SAW AT THE P AND Z MEETING A MONTH OR SO AGO.

OKAY, WELL I HAVE MY OPINION.

OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED HERE AND THERE IT SAYS, WITH, WITH THE, UH, THE CARDS, UH, WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO BE AS, UH, CLOSE TO THREE MINUTES NOT TO GO OVER.

WE HAVE 64 CARDS AT THREE MINUTES EACH.

AT THREE MINUTES.

EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET THERE.

THREE MINUTES.

I'M NOT GONNA CUT IT.

TWO, TWO.

I SAID I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO.

I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

SO EVERYBODY GETS THREE MINUTES.

BUT IF, IF, IF SOMEBODY HEARS THE SAME THING THAT SAID AND THEY WANNA GET UP AND SAY, I HEARD SO AND SO, SAY THAT COMMENT AND I AM IN LINE WITH THAT.

OH, WIDELY IT WOULD HELP MOVE THIS FORWARD.

'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANNA SPEAK AND MAYBE DON'T HEAR THE SAME THING.

SO 65 MARY JALA, CAN YOU JUST ANNOUNCE THIS IS OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REASON? YES.

IT, THIS IS WILL BE OPENING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD RIGHT NOW.

PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, TRACY RANDALL WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DAVID LEARY.

I SHOWED UP HERE AT THREE 30.

I PUT MY NAME IN FIRST.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND I APPRECIATE TRACY, SO IT ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THE OTHER METRIC I'D HAVE IS JUST CLEANLINESS.

MY NAME'S TRACY RANDALL.

I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT AND PRESIDENT OF THE VERDE VALLEY CYCLIST COALITION.

I'M GOING TO BE SHORTER 'CAUSE YOU ACTUALLY DID ADDRESS A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.

UM, FIRST I WANNA THANK PETE FURMAN 'CAUSE HE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN JUST GUIDING US THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND I ALSO WANNA THANK YOU MELISSA, 'CAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT I HAVE CONCERNS WITH.

SO I'M GONNA CHANGE MY COMMENTS A LITTLE BIT AND HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE LESS THAN THREE MINUTES.

UM, FIRST, THANK YOU SO MUCH KAREN FOR TALKING TO THE FOREST SERVICE AND PUTTING FOREST SERVICE FENCING THERE.

I THINK THAT'S GONNA MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO OUR TRAIL SYSTEMS. THE TWO AREAS THAT I'D ASK, I LOVE ALL YOUR METRICS, I'D ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE DO METRICS FOR IMPACT TO THE AREA.

I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU GUYS WILL KEEP THE BOUNDARIES THAT ARE YOUR PROPERTY CLEAN.

I HAVE MORE CONCERN ABOUT OUTSIDE OF IT.

AND THE TWO AREAS OF CONCERN.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GREAT LENGTHS WITH.

WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT ORGANIZATION? I WROTE IT DOWN A DEQ, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF WATER.

UM, I HAVE TWO EXAMPLES OF US HAVING ISSUES WITH WATER.

ONE IS ON CRESTY.

UM, PETE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO WALK DOWN.

WE'VE HAD TO REROUTE THAT TRAIL BECAUSE OF WATER ISSUES.

UM, THE SECOND IS BLOWOUT, I MEAN, BOTTOM OUT, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE.

UM, I THINK YOU GUYS MUST HAVE BEEN DOING SOME TESTING OF THE WATER.

AND SO I GOT ALERTED BY PEOPLE THAT WERE DOWN RIDING IN THE BLOWOUT AR IN THE BOTTOM OUT AREA AND THE WATER WAS UP TO HERE.

AND SO I WOULD ASK, GO AND LOOK AT THE IMPACT YOU'RE HAVING OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY.

ARE YOU PUSHING WATER ONTO THE TRAIL? SO THAT'S PART OF YOUR METRICS.

UM,

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UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GUYS SPEND TIME OUT OF THAT TRAILHEAD.

I SPEND A LOT OF TIME OUT OF IT AND IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE DIRTIEST TRAILHEADS WE HAVE.

SO IT MAKES ME VERY CONCERNED THAT WE'RE USING IT MORE.

AND SO CAN WE HAVE A METRIC TO CLEAN UP WHAT'S THERE IN ADDITION TO NOT ADDING MORE, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS TO THE AREA.

SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ASKING SUCH THOROUGH QUESTIONS.

AND THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING A GROUP THAT'S BEEN VERY WORKING WITH YOU TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD.

THANK YOU, TRACY.

ALRIGHT, DAVID, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY SALLY MOORE.

HI, NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE.

UH, CAN YOU PULL UP THE, UH, ZONING MAP PLEASE? UH, MY NAME IS DAVID LEARY.

I'M, UH, SEDONA RESIDENCE, A RETIRED, UH, GEOLOGIST TO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS.

FIRST TIME COMING TO ONE OF THESE THINGS.

UH, BUT I SPENT MY CAREER 30 PLUS YEARS IN PROJECT PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT, EXECUTION, UH, RISKING AND, UH, TRYING TO EVALUATE PROJECTS GLOBALLY.

AND SO I COME IN HERE AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB AT CHARACTERIZING YOUR PLAN.

UM, BUT IT'S A SUCCESS CASE PLAN, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, THE QUESTION I ALWAYS POSED TEAMS WAS WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG? RIGHT? AND FOR THIS, IT JUST WE'RE A MILE FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, WE'RE ADJACENT TO THE NATIONAL FOREST.

UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A BOUNCER TO GUARD THIS PARKING LOT.

UM, THERE ARE SO MANY RED FLAGS ON THIS THAT I ASK YOU SERIOUSLY.

YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG AND THEN TO THE QUESTION OF MISSION CREEP.

I'M GLAD TO LEARN TONIGHT THAT THIS IS JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED RIGHT IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, IT'S NOT A HOMELESS THING WHERE THEY'RE NOT EMPLOYED.

AND SO WHAT MY SECOND COMMENT IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO SAVE SOMEBODY FROM AN EXTRA TWO GALLONS OF GAS TO AND FROM COTTONWOOD EVERY DAY.

THAT'S A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT, RIGHT? SO THE BUS, THE BUSINESSES NEED TO PAY ENOUGH THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE WHERE HOUSING IS.

CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE HOUSING BUSINESS.

SALLY MOORE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, STEVE HEIN.

JUST START WITH THE NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT PLEASE.

SALLY MOORE.

SEDONA RESIDENT.

SEDONA, HOLD THE MIC DOWN.

JUST PULL THE MIC DOWN JUST TO IT LIKE THAT.

RE RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

I'M OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE.

I JUST TOTALLY AM WRONG LOCATION.

THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE ELSE.

ISN'T THERE A SCHOOL DOWN IN THE VILLAGE THAT'S EMPTY? PUT 'EM IN THE SCHOOL.

BUT I AGREE WITH THIS GUY.

YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T BE ON THE HOUSING COMMITTEE.

YOU, YOU GOT OTHER THINGS TO DO.

THERE'S A LOT OF IFS, ANDS AND BUTS.

MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

HOW CAN YOU REALLY HONESTLY VOTE ON SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CLEAR CONCRETE WRITTEN GUIDELINES? IT'S JUST A GOING ON A WHIM, SO TO SPEAK.

STEVE, STEVE HY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DAN, UH, GARVEY.

, MY HUSBAND AND I WENT TO THE, UM, BIKE FESTIVAL SATURDAY AND THE GUY THAT WAS INTRODUCING THE BAND GOT UP THERE AND SAID, AND GUESS WHAT? VERY LOUD.

HE SAYS, THERE'S GONNA BE A SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

SO EVERYBODY, WELL THEN YOU JUST OPENED IT UP TO EVERYBODY.

, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA TELL THEIR FRIENDS AND THEIR FRIENDS AND, AND YOU CAN FUDGE ANYTHING IN LIFE.

YOU COULD SAY YOU WORK HERE UNLESS YOU HAVE AN ID, YOU CAN USE SOMEBODY ELSE'S, UH, PAY STUB.

SO UNLESS YOU SAY THAT, AND YOU KNOW, THE POLICEMEN KNOW THAT.

THAT'S SALLY MOORE.

I CAN USE HER.

SHE'S WORKING.

I'M NOT, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE JUST OUTTA HAND.

SAVE THE CULTURAL PARK, THE AMPHITHEATER FOR TOURISTS WANNA COME.

YOUR RESIDENTS WILL WANNA STAY AND ENJOY WHAT IS POSSIBLE.

TRY TO GET THAT BACK.

TRY NOT TO SWEEP THIS UNDER THE RUG.

JUST TAKE A PAUSE, THINK ABOUT IT.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS? AND LISTEN TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

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MY NAME IS STEVE HEIN.

I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 33 YEARS.

I'M A HOMEOWNER.

I'VE BEEN BOTH AN EMPLOYEE AND AN EMPLOYEE.

SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN AT MY HOUSE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER.

UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NUTS AND BOLTS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LAWS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ZONING.

BUT WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

OKAY? I KNOW THAT THE, THE COUNCIL WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE GRABBED THIS BULL BY THE HORNS.

BUT I ALSO KNOW FROM BEING IN BUSINESS, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MARGIN IN MY BUSINESS TO SUPPORT MY FAMILY AND TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR MY EMPLOYEES.

OKAY? SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

TWO WEEKS AGO THERE WAS A NICE RAIN STORM AND MY ROOF LEAKED.

I CALLED MY ROOFER THAT PUT IT IN, HAS BEEN HERE 44 YEARS.

AND HE SAID, AND THEY SAID, OH, WE COULDN'T FIND ANY EMPLOYEES.

WE MOVED OUR BUSINESS TO PHOENIX.

OKAY? MY DAUGHTER, WHO IS A, UH, WORKER IN ONE OF THE GROCERY STORES A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, THEY HAD A JOB FAIR WHERE USUALLY YEARS AGO, MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE WOULD COME TO APPLY FOR JOBS THAT HAD BENEFITS.

NOBODY CAME JUST LAST NIGHT, SHE CALLED US AND SAID SOMEBODY QUIT.

AND THEN SHE WAS GOING TO BE HOME LATE.

IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, EVEN IF THIS IS A STOP GAP, UNTIL THERE IS HOUSING, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, WE ARE GOING TO WAKE UP WITH NO GROCERY STORES, NO GAS STATIONS, NO DRUG STORES, NO PLUMBERS, NO ELECTRICIANS, NO EVERYTHING THAT MAKES OUR LIFE COMFORTABLE AND MAKES US A COMMUNITY HERE.

THEY ARE ALL GONNA DISAPPEAR.

THEY'RE ALREADY DISAPPEARING.

SO PLEASE, ALL I UNDERSTAND THE POINTS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST IT, THEY HAVE GOOD VALID POINTS, BUT I WANT THEM TO ALL AND THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS, IF WE DIDN'T TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO KEEP THE EMPLOYEES THAT CAN'T AFFORD HOUSING.

BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT THE AIRBNB SYSTEM AND NOT DEGRADING IT HAS MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR, FOR EMPLOYEES TO FIND PLACES TO LIVE.

PLEASE EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE.

THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES TO ALL OF US THAT LIVE HERE.

OKAY? WE ALL LIVE HERE.

WE'RE ALL PART OF THE SAME COMMUNITY.

WHEN WE DON'T HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE TO DRIVE TO COTTONWOOD FOR A GROCERY STORE, I HAVE TO CALL ANOTHER ROOFER.

HE SAID, I HAVE SUCH A SMALL CREW NOW IT'LL BE TWO WEEKS BEFORE I CAN GET TO YOUR HOUSE.

SO EVERY TIME IT RAINS, OUR DRYWALL IN THE ROOF GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE RUINED.

OKAY, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.

THANK YOU STEVE.

DAN GARBY, FOLLOWED BY RETZ.

START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF, UH, RESIDENCE.

YES, MY NAME'S DON KIRBY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.

AND ACTUALLY I LIVE ABOUT PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE THAN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM THE SITE.

AND I LIVE OFF BRISTOL C**N.

UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I'M AGAINST THE PROJECT AND SINCE I DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE, I GUESS ACCORDING TO THE STATE, THIS IS MY VOTE .

UM, SO IT'S, IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS FIRMLY SET IN JELLO.

UH, IT, IT KEEPS MOVING AROUND.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, CAN YOU DO THIS? AND THEY SAY, WELL, YEAH, WE'LL THINK ABOUT IT.

AND THAT SORT OF BOTHERS ME.

IT, IT BOTHERS ME A LOT.

SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT ALL THESE COMMENTS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING OVER HERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MAKE A VOTE TONIGHT OR, OR TOMORROW.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

I'M GONNA CUT IT SHORT HERE BECAUSE I WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO TALK.

AND THERE ARE, WE COULD MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

SO THANKS.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE, THE STAFF HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN MORE DIRECTION FROM US AND THEY GET, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A A COMMENT PERIOD.

WE WANT TO WAIT FOR THAT COMMENT PERIOD TILL AFTER YOU ALL SPOKE SO WE CAN HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AND THEN MAKE FINAL CHANGES TO THIS PLAN.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF LISTENING TO YOU GUYS.

OKAY? WE WANNA, IF WE HEAR SOMETHING THAT IS A REALLY GOOD THOUGHT

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THAT'S WHY IT'S ANGEL AS YOU SAID, OR POSSIBLY I WOULDN'T CALL IT THAT, BUT I GET IT.

BUT THAT'S WHY NOTHING'S IN STONE UNTIL WE MOVE WITH OUR COMMENTS.

ALRIGHT, UH, KARA, YOUR, UH, THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS KARA KRETZ AND I'M A RESIDENT OF WEST SEDONA.

I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM AT CULTURAL PARK.

I WOULD LIKE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD THAT THE CHANGE.ORG PETITION, MY HUSBAND STARTED ON FEBRUARY 4TH, HAS OVER 586 SIGNERS SO FAR THAT HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR NUMBERS.

UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AND READ THOSE COMMENTS.

THERE'S MANY COMMENTS ON IT AS WELL.

UM, THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER, UH, CHANGE.ORG PETITION TO SAVE CULTURAL PARK.

IT WAS, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED, THAT HAS OVER 75,000 SIGNATURE SIGNATURES ON IT SINCE IT STARTED.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD ANSWER BEFORE YOU DECIDE THIS IS HOW MUCH RESIDENT PUSHBACK DO YOU NEED IN ORDER TO STOP THIS PROGRAM? MY SECOND QUESTION, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHY IS THIS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE BEING DONE ON A PERMANENT BASIS WHEN THE SOLUTION IS, UH, STATED TO BE TEMPORARY FOR TWO YEARS? THE QUESTION IS, WHY NOT MAKE THIS ZONING CHANGE TEMPORARY IN ONE YEAR AND THEN REVIEW IT AND RENEW IT IF NECESSARY? THERE IS NO REASON FOR A PERMANENT ZONING CHANGE.

WHAT INCENTIVE DOES THE CITY HAVE TO FINISH THE PROJECT SOONER? IS IT BECAUSE YOU CARE ABOUT THE HOMELESS SO MUCH? THEN WHY ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH ALLOWING WORKERS TO SLEEP IN THEIR CARS IN EXTREME TEMPERATURES FOR TWO YEARS? YOU SHOULD BE SAD, THANK YOU THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE SLEPT FOR TWO YEARS IN THEIR CAR.

WHY NOT, UH, CHANGE? WHAT IS THE PLAN TO CHANGE THE ZONING BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL USE AS AN, UH, AS AN INDOOR, UH, AFTER THE INDOOR HOUSING IS TEMPORARY SOLUTION IS DONE, WILL YOU CHANGE IT BACK TO WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS? WHAT'S YOUR EXIT PLAN AND WHERE'S YOUR COMMITMENT? YOUR WORDS DO NOT HOLD MUCH TRUST TO THE RESIDENTS AT THIS POINT.

WE WANNA SEE IT IN WRITING.

AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT IS, I AM SHOCKED THAT PEOPLE AS SMART AS YOU GUYS AND AS SMART AS WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, THAT THE BEST PLAN YOU COULD COME UP WITH TO HOUSE 40 WORKERS IS A TWO YEAR MILLION DOLLAR.

IT'LL COME TO A MILLION DOLLARS AFTER THE GRANT IS IS SPENT TWO YEARS AND 40 PEOPLE.

THIS IS WHAT IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT 44 PEOPLE.

AND THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT'S GOING INTO SOLVING THAT PROBLEM.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT COULD BUILD A 40 UNIT, UH, UNIT IN MONTHS AND HAVE THIS THING DONE.

DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE IT.

BILL NUNAN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TK HYATT.

TK HYATT.

JUST BE READY AFTERWARDS.

MR. NEWAN, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MY NAME IS, UH, DR.

BILL NEWAN AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.

I MOVED HERE FROM PORTLAND TWO YEARS AGO TO ESCAPE THE HOMELESS CRISIS THAT WAS CREATED BY THE CITY THERE.

SO I'M SORRY TO SEE THE, THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERING MAKING SOME OF THE MISTAKES THAT, UH, PORTLAND MADE 20 YEARS AGO THAT DESTROYED THAT ONCE.

BEAUTIFUL CITY.

UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SORT OF TRUNCATE MY REMARKS GIVEN THE TIME, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE BASIC POINT IS IF YOU WANT A HOMELESS CAR PARK, PUT IT IN THE DELLS.

THE CITY OWNS THE DELLS.

I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY WHO ARE ANXIOUS TO REZONE IT FOR YOUR PURPOSES.

THE PEOPLE OF OF SEDONA WANT THE CULTURAL PARK IN THE AMPHITHEATER USED AS A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.

BUT IF THE CITY MAKES THIS PERMANENT ZONING CHANGE NEXT, UH, PERMANENT ZONING CHANGE TO PUT A PUT A HOMELESS CAR PARK RIGHT NEXT TO THE STAGE OF THE AMPHITHEATER, YOU'RE GONNA BE DRIVING A STAKE THROUGH THE HEART OF THAT AMPHITHEATER.

THAT COULD KILL IT FOREVER.

I MEAN, WHO'S GOING TO WANT TO PERFORM ON A STAGE NEXT TO A HOMELESS CAR PARK? THE OTHER THING I LEARNED FROM TALKING TO PEOPLE AROUND SEDONA THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS IS THAT THEY'RE REALLY MAD ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT JUST SORT OF OPPOSED TO IT.

THEY'RE REALLY ANGRY AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN TREATED TONIGHT, HAVING TO SIT THROUGH HOURS OF VERY UN UNHELPFUL, BUREAUCRATIC DRL SO THAT THEY COULD NOT WERE NOT ALLOWED TO STICK THEIR MINDS, IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WILL, WILL STICK WITH THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA FOR A LONG TIME.

UH, WE KNOW THE CITY GOT A GRANT FOR $875,000 TO OPEN A HOMELESS PARK IN THE CULTURAL PARK, BUT THAT

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I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY GAVE YOU A GRANT TO BURN DOWN THE CITY, WOULD YOU DO THAT ? I DON'T.

I MEAN, I HOPE NOT.

BUT YOU HA YOU HAVE SOME DISCRETION TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA FROM BAD IDEAS.

AND TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT TO DO THAT.

LEADERSHIP ISN'T ALWAYS ABOUT TAKING MONEY.

SOMETIMES THE MOST IMPORTANT PART ABOUT LEADERSHIP IS NOT TAKING IT.

AND TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT TO REFUSE IT.

BUT IF THE CITY DOES PASS THIS MISBEGOTTEN ZONING ORDINANCE I'VE ALREADY PREPARED, AND TOMORROW I WILL FILE FOR A BALLOT REFERENDUM SO THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA CAN CORRECT THAT MISTAKE.

AND ONCE WE DO RESURRECT THE CULTURAL PARK AS THE CENTER OF ARTS IN THE CITY, YOU CAN EITHER GET ON BOARD WITH WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT OR BE LEFT BEHIND.

SO PLEASE DON'T KILL THE CULTURAL PARK TONIGHT.

DON'T VOTE FOR THIS ZONING CHANGE.

BUT IF YOU DO PASS IT, I WILL BE AT CITY HALL TOMORROW TO START THE PROCESS FOR THE BALLOT REFERENDUM.

OKAY, TK HYATT.

IT'S FOLLOWED BY SUSAN GARVEY.

MY NAME IS TK HYATT.

I LIVE IN SEDONA AND I'M OPPOSED THE HOMELESS CAR PARK IN THE CULTURAL PARK BECAUSE THERE ARE BETTER AND MORE APPROPRIATE PLACES FOR THIS TEMPORARY LOCATION.

AND BILL NEWNAN AND CARRET SAID IT BEST.

SUSAN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JIM MCCABE, SUSAN STOCK WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

UH, SUSAN GARBY AND I LIVE IN WEST SEDONA LESS THAN A MILE FROM THE CULTURAL PARK.

LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING MY HUSBAND DON AND I ARE OPPOSED TO THE REZONING OF THE CULTURAL PARK TO ACCOMMODATE A SAFE PLACE TO PARK A PROJECT CREATED AND PROMOTED BY THE CITY HOUSING MANAGER, WHO BY THE WAY, DOESN'T RESIDE IN SEDONA, BUT I DIGRESS.

THE ROAD TO LITIGATION IS OFTEN PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS.

JUST ASK SAN LUIS ABBO, WHICH IS, UH, WHERE, WHERE A RESTRAINING ORDER NOW PREVENTS THE CITY FROM PHASING OUT ITS OWN TWO YEAR EXPERIMENT WITH A SAFE PARKING PLACE.

SO I ASKED YOU IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, HOW LONG BEFORE SEDONA IS SUED, HOW LONG BEFORE SOMEONE IS INJURED ON THE SITE, GOD FORBID IT'S A CHILD.

HOW LONG BEFORE WE ATTRACT OUTSIDE ACTIVISTS? AND OUR SIMPLE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE TORN UPON, APART AND CHALLENGED.

HOW LONG BEFORE WE END UP IN LITIGATION OVER DISCRIMINATION OR A LACK OF DIVERSITY OR A FEDERAL VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS? HOW LONG BEFORE THE ONE SACRED GROUND OF OUR WESTERN GATEWAY IS DESECRATED BY A FULL ON HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT? NOT LONG AT ALL, JUST AS THE RESIDENTS OF PORTLAND, SEATTLE, OR SAN FRANCISCO.

IN SUMMARY, WE ASKING YOU TO EITHER VOTE THIS PROPOSAL DOWN OR PUT IT ON THE NEXT BALLOT SO THAT THE CITIZENS OF SEDONA, THOSE OF US WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME, CAN HAVE OUR SAY TOO.

THANK YOU MCKAY.

JIM MCCABE IS FOLLOWED BY SUSAN, UH, PIERCE PRICE.

OKAY, MY NAME IS JIM MCCABE AND I AM A RESIDENT.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR 13 YEARS.

I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU, MR. MAYOR, THAT WHAT YOU HEARD AT THE P AND Z MEETING WASN'T UNRULY PEOPLE.

IT WEREN'T PEOPLE.

THEY WERE NOT PEOPLE OUT OF LINE.

THEY WERE PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY UPSET BY THIS AND BEING UPSET BY WE'RE, WE'RE UPSET BY THE FACT THAT THE P AND Z DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB.

AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN.

THREE AND A HALF, FOUR AND A HALF HOURS, WHATEVER THIS IS.

OKAY? AS THE FATHER OF FIVE AND NINE GRANDCHILDREN, I THINK I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT CHILDREN'S SAFETY AND I SEE MAJOR DANGER IN THIS PROJECT.

I THINK OF CHILDREN IN THE BATHROOMS AND SHOWERS AT NIGHT WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE FROM WHEREVER OUR CITIES ARE FILLED WITH CRIME LAWLESSNESS AND LIVING IN THE CARS IS STAGE ONE OF THIS.

SEDONA WILL BECOME ANOTHER.

SAN FRANCISCO OR PORTLAND.

WHAT ABOUT THE CARS RUNNING ALL NIGHT? WHAT ABOUT THE ENGINES RUNNING ALL NIGHT IN THE SUMMER TO KEEP THE CARS COOL IN THE WINTER TO GIVE THEM SOME HEAT? WHEN WILL THIS TOWN START THINKING ABOUT ITS CITIZENS AND NOT PUTTING TOURISTS AND EVERYONE ELSE FIRST AT OUR EXPENSE? I'M GONNA REPEAT THAT BECAUSE I KNOW I'M GONNA EAT THESE WORDS LATER.

WHEN WILL THIS TOWN START THINKING ABOUT ITS CITIZENS AND NOT PUTTING TOURISTS AND OTHER PEOPLE FIRST? YOU CAN TWIST THE FACTS ALL, YOU CAN TWIST THE FACTS ALL YOU WANT, BUT THIS PROJECT IS A DISASTER AND IT WILL OPEN UP ALL KINDS OF LITIGATION WHEN IT GOES WRONG.

'CAUSE IT'S GOING WRONG.

THIS WAS BILLED AS A PLACE TO SPEND THE NIGHT FOR EMPLOYEES.

EMPLOYEES.

WELL,

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THAT'S NOT WHAT I READ.

THIS IS GOING TO BE OPENED UP.

THIS IS GONNA BE OPENED UP TO ANYONE, NOT JUST, YOU DON'T JUST HAVE TO HAVE A JOB IN TOWN.

MATTER OF FACT, THE CITY ATTORNEYS SAID AT THE P AND Z MEETING, UM, THAT THEY CANNOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE UNEMPLOYED AND DISABLED.

SO ANYBODY CAN COME IN AND GET THIS.

HOW DOES SUCH A SMALL HANDFUL OF PEOPLE DESTROY ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL TOWNS IN AMERICA? AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M OPPOSED TO YOUR PROJECT SUSAN PRICE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY STEVE DUIS.

HELLO, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS SUSAN PRICE.

I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

I BELIEVE IN ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, BUT THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AT THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY IS THE RIGHT IDEA, THE WRONG LOCATION.

I COULD CONTINUE WITH MY OTHER STATEMENTS, BUT EVERYBODY HAS ALREADY SAID THEM, SO THANK YOU.

STEVE WILLIS WILL BE, UH, FOLLOWED BY DAVE SWAR ROCK.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM AN EMPLOYEE OF THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION.

I AM A NIGHT SECURITY OVERWATCH.

I GET TO WATCH 20 PEOPLE SLEEP SAFELY.

I MONITOR THEM.

I I MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT BREAKING DOWN, UH, NOT DOING DRUGS, NOT HAVING ALCOHOL.

NONE OF THAT IS ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY.

THERE ARE RULES AND THEY ARE STRICTLY ENFORCED.

YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.

YOU HAVE AN ISSUE.

YOU'RE GONE ONE NIGHT, TWO NIGHTS A WEEK, TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS A MONTH, DOESN'T MATTER.

YOU'RE GONE.

YOU BREAK THE RULES, YOU'RE DONE.

RHONDA IS A FANTASTIC LEADER.

SHE HAS A VISION FOR THIS PARK.

I GET WHAT ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING.

I'M NOT FOR WHERE IT GETS PLACED.

I'M FOR THE PARK TO BE SOMEWHERE.

BUT JUST SO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A FREE FOR ALL KIND OF THING.

TH TH THAT'S NOT THE WAY THIS WORKS.

THERE'S KINKS THAT NEED TO BE IRONED OUT.

UH, THEY CAN'T BE IRONED OUT UNTIL WE GET STARTED.

BUT REGARDLESS, UM, IT, IT'S, IT IS, IN MY OPINION, IT'S A GOOD THING.

THERE'S ONE MORE THING I'M GOING TO ADD.

I'M COTTONWOOD CITY COUNCILMAN STEVE DEIS, AND I AM FOR THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU.

THANK YOU, .

I JUST, I'M GUESSING THIS IS DAVE.

OH, DAVE IS UP.

AND THEN TO FOLLOW BY, I CAN'T TELL IF THIS IS GINNY HOLDEN.

I CAN'T.

IT'S REALLY H-A-D-E-N, LAST NAME HAYDEN.

OH, IS THAT YOU? HAYDEN.

HAYDEN.

AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHER EMPLOYERS I'VE TALKED TO, THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY.

DAVE, YOU, YOU, UH, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE.

DAVE SWORN OUT.

UH, CITY OF SEDONA.

SO I CAN SEE THE RED ROCK NEWS, UH, HEADLINE TOMORROW, NEW VORTEX IN SEDONA, THE HOMELESS CAR PARK.

BUT ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU FROM AN EMPLOYER STANDPOINT, OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED AND HIRED QUITE A FEW PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS THAT, UH, LIVED IN THEIR CARS OUT IN THE FOREST.

ALL BUT ONE OF 'EM WAS A DRUG ADDICT.

IN THE END, YOU SPEND THREE OR FOUR MONTHS TRAINING THEM.

IT TAKES ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO MAKE 'EM A GOOD EMPLOYEE.

YOU TRY TO FIND 'EM HOUSING, YOU PAY 'EM ENOUGH TO GET HOUSING.

THEY DON'T WANNA LIVE IN A HOUSE.

AND THEN THEY JUST DON'T ANSWER THEIR PHONE.

THEY DON'T SHOW UP TO WORK.

THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T ANSWER THEIR PHONE.

SO, AS FAR AS AN EMPLOYER, WE WOULD NEVER HIRE ANYBODY THAT WAS LIVING IN THE CAR PARK BECAUSE OUR EXPERIENCE IS WE TRAIN 'EM AND THEN THEY DISAPPEAR AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK OUT.

NOW, I WAS ON A, A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT THE CITY CALLED IN FOR THEIR INPUT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, THERE WERE MAYBE 10 OF US.

THERE WAS ONE EMPLOYER THERE THAT SAID THEY HAD SUCCESS HIRING PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THEIR CARS.

THERE WAS ANOTHER AGENCY THAT WAS THERE IN FAVOR OF IT.

THE REST OF US SAID, NO WAY.

THIS JUST, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD DO.

THE CITY STAFF SEEMED TO HAVE ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MIND, AND THEY HAD ALL THE REASONS AND WHY THIS SHOULD BE A GOOD THING, BUT FROM AN EMPLOYER STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP US.

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WE, WE REALLY WANNA SEE THE CITY WORK HARD ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND GET THAT GOING AND SPEND THAT EFFORT AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, DAVE.

OKAY, MR. HALLEN, UH, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL.

RUSHING.

MY NAME IS JIM HAYDEN AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.

ONE AREA THAT HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED WAS RECENTLY, UH, THE SAINT JOHN VIENNA CATHOLIC PARISH HAS COME UP WITH A PLAN TO USE, UH, DIFFERENT SEGMENTS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AS YOU COME INTO THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE PARISH FROM SOLDIERS PASS ROAD, WE HAD, THEY HAVE TWO ACRES ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD AND TWO ACRES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD.

AND THEY WANT TO HOPEFULLY WORK WITH THE CITY TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SUCH A PARTNERSHIP WOULD, UH, PROVIDE THE FIRST AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR WORKING CLASS P PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.

IT WOULD ALLOW FOR OUR FUTURE STAFF TO HAVE HOUSING.

IT WOULD HELP US CONTINUE TO GROW AS A, AS A, UH, PARISH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE LATINO COMMUNITY.

AND THE PARTNERSHIP WOULD PROVIDE CAPITAL TO HELP US COMPLETE THE REST OF THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES 15.3 ACRES OF LAND THAT THEY, THEY OWN, UH, ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THANK YOU, MICHAEL.

UH, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY DALE CASEY.

I'M MICHAEL RUSHER, LIKE THE FOOTBALL RUSHER.

AND I HAVE A SEDONA MAILING ADDRESS.

I FEEL LIKE THE BLONDE THAT HAD TO CLIMB OVER A CHAIN LINK FENCE TO SEE WHAT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE, BECAUSE I REALIZED I DID HAVEN'T READ THE WHOLE PROPOSAL.

BUT WHAT I'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT, UH, HAS A LOT OF RED FLAGS.

AS DAVID SAID EARLIER, ONE OF THOSE RED FLAGS IS TO DO A SITE STUDY ON PERCOLATION FOR THE TREES, SUMMERTIME AND WINTERTIME.

MAYBE THEY'VE DONE THAT.

I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.

ANOTHER THING IS TO HAVE A SURVEY.

HOW MANY HOMELESS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HOW MANY WALK WORKFORCE, WORKFORCE PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? NOW? THERE'S AN UNDERUSED PARKING AREA IN UPTOWN SEDONA.

IT NEEDS A, UH, CHANGE IN OVERNIGHT PARKING.

WHAT A SIMPLE THING THAT WOULD BE.

BUT I KNOW PEOPLE IN UPTOWN DON'T WANT IT THERE.

WE DON'T WANT IT IN WEST SEDONA EITHER.

DALE CASEY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY KAREN.

UH, TON DALE.

NAME, INVEST, UH, NAME AND CITY.

I AM DALE CASEY.

I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 34 YEARS.

UH, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE REASON WE HAVE THIS HOUSING PROBLEM IS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, STATE LEGISLATURE PASSING THE BILLS THAT, UH, CREATED THE STRS THROUGHOUT THE VERDE VALLEY AND THE STATE.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT AT THIS TIME.

UH, I AM ADDITIONALLY AGAINST, OR I'M SORRY, I'M ADAMANTLY AGAINST USING THE PARK FOR HOMELESS CAMPING, WHETHER IN TENTS, CARS, OR VANS.

IT WILL JUST BE A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WE WILL HAVE A HOMELESS CAMP LIKE WE SEE IN SAN FRANCISCO, LA PORTLAND.

ALL THE OTHERS, THE 8 MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME ACROSS OUR BORDER HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN CELL PHONES, AND THEY COMMUNICATE WITH MEMBERS OF THE NGOS WHO GIVE THEM INFO ON WHERE THEY CAN GO.

IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE MANY OF THEM WILL BE BUSED TO SEDONA.

WHEN THIS HAPPENS, SEDONA WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.

CRIME WILL BECOME COMMON AS WE ARE SEEING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

I ASK YOU TO NOT APPROVE THE ZONE CHANGE TO AMEND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO ADD THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

DALE.

KAREN TON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY PATSY, UH, BRUNER.

BRUNER? YES.

SHE LEFT.

DO WE HAVE KAREN? OKAY.

WE DO NOT HAVE KAREN ANYMORE.

I'M DISAPPOINTED.

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PATSY, ARE YOU HERE? NO, SHE LEFT.

OH, SHE LEFT TOO.

THAT'S CAROL, UH, CONLIN.

SHE LEFT.

I'M SORRY SHE LEFT.

BUT SHE'S OPPOSED TO THE CAR PARK.

JANINE MILLER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SOY.

UH, SHIPMAN, NOT HERE.

HI, I'M JANINE MILLER, AN ALMOST 20 YEAR RESIDENT BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNER IN SEDONA, HAVING ME EMAILED MAYOR COUNCIL AND HOUSING DIRECTOR, A BUILDING FOR SALE IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT WOULD WORK AS A TEMPORARY SHELTER.

I'M OF THE OPINION PAUSING THE GRANT AND REVISING THE PROJECT USING THE $425,000 ALLOCATED FROM THE GRANT FOR VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION TO OPERATE THE SAID SHELTER.

IN LIEU OF THE HOMELESS PARKING LOT, UNINTENDED, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HAPPEN.

AS WE KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS FOLLOW THE RULES.

AT THE CULTURAL PARK, THE HOMELESS PARKING LOT SPACE WAS BEING DEFINED BEFORE A FORMAL ZONING CHANGE AND PROJECT APPROVAL BY COUNCIL WAS REPORTED BY A RESIDENT AND THE RED ROCK NEWS, A SOLE ATTENDANT TO OVERSEE THE ENTIRE HOMELESS PARKING LOT AND ONE PERSON NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES WHERE CIGARETTES ARE INVOLVED.

AND THAT PARCEL OF BEAUTIFUL LAND POSSIBLY GOES UP IN FLAMES, ENDANGERING EVERYONE.

THEY COULD ALSO WALK OFF PROPERTY AND SMOKE.

THE PROJECT.

BRINGS THE RISK TOO CLOSE TO SEDONA.

THE PROJECT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE WESTERN GATEWAY.

CFA AS CARS, WHILE USED AS SHELTER ARE NOT DIVERSE HOUSING JUST BECAUSE ONE THINKS JUST BECAUSE ONE THINKS OR SAYS.

SO.

THIS IS NOT THE LOCATION FOR THIS PROJECT.

ALSO, I WANT TO ADD THAT IN THE ORIGINAL PACKET, SCHEDULE A SCOPE OF WORK, LETTER B WAS LISTED AS WORK MUST BE IMPLEMENTED BY JANUARY 31ST, 2024.

IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION, IT IS PRESENTED AS BEING IMPLEMENTED BY JULY 1ST, 2024.

THIS IS CONTRARY TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SENT TO ME BY SHANNON IN AN EMAIL, AND I'M WONDERING WHY THAT WAS CHANGED.

I AM OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE AND OPPOSED TO THE HOMELESS PARKING LOT PROJECT.

AND I URGE COUNSEL TO VOTE NO TO BOTH.

KATHY, HOW IS NEXT? UH, DUET WINTER WILL BE FOLLOWING HER.

KATHY HOWELL.

APOLOGIES.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I WAS UP NEXT, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL PEOPLE, UH, YOU ALL ALREADY KNOW MY FEELINGS.

I'VE ALREADY SENT YOU EMAILS.

YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I STAND ON THIS.

I'M NOT FOR IT.

I'M AN UPTOWN RESIDENT.

I THANK YOU FOR THE PARKING LOT THAT I'M GONNA GET.

I THANK YOU FOR FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANNA SEE FOR THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PARCEL OF LAND IN SEDONA.

THANK YOU, JOE.

IT WINTER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MICHAEL WRIGHT.

IT'S JOTA, BUT THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL.

UH, MY NAME IS JOETTA WINTER AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

I'M ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE HOMELESS CAMP AT THE CULTURAL PARK.

I MOVED TO THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY FOUR YEARS AGO AFTER WATCHING THE POWERS TO BE DESTROY MY WONDERFUL CITY AND STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS WOULD I HAVE DREAMED THAT SEDONA WOULD SEEK OUT FUNDS TO CREATE A HOMELESS CAMP.

THIS IS NOT A CASE OF NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

THIS IS A SHORTSIGHTED, DISASTROUS IDEA THAT WILL STIGMA STIGMATIZE THE CULTURAL PARK NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR CITY.

OUR SOCIETY IS NORMALIZING HOMELESSNESS AS A WAY OF LIFE, AND IT IS NOT.

THERE IS NOTHING COMPASSIONATE ABOUT HELPING SOMEONE LIVE IN THEIR CAR.

IF YOU THE COUNCIL VOTE TO PASS THIS ZONING CHANGE AND IMPLEMENT THIS AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, I AND MANY OTHERS WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REPLACE ALL OF YOU WITH REPRESENTATIVES THAT WILL DO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT THE SPECIAL INTERESTS.

AND A YNE MICHAEL, YOU KNOW, UH, NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

MICHAEL WRIGHT, UH, FELT WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY RICHARD, UH, MAINE

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UM, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL WRIGHT.

I'M A RESIDENT OF WEST SEDONA.

WE HAVE AN URGENT PROBLEM OF WORKING HOMELESS IN THIS TOWN.

THE, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME HERE AND TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO GET WORK WORKFORCE, THE DIFFICULTY OF HAVING STORES CLOSED WITHOUT HAVING PEOPLE THAT COULD DO THE WORK.

SO WE HAVE THE PROBLEM AND ANYBODY WHO, THEY MAY NOT LIKE THE APPROACH, BUT THEY CAN'T PRETEND WE DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM.

AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, THERE ARE FOUR WAYS WE COULD ADDRESS IT.

THE OBVIOUS ONE, AND THE ONE I WOULD PREFER IS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE BUSINESSES THAT PAY PEOPLE ENOUGH MONEY SO THAT THEY CAN BUY OUR RENT HOUSES IN THIS TOWN.

BUT WE KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT AN OPTION.

PARTLY BECAUSE OF LOCK, LACK OF RESOURCE, LACK OF HOUSING, BECAUSE OF THE, THE DIFFICULTY WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

SO THE SECOND SOLUTION WOULD BE WE HAVE FEWER SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND PUT A LIMIT ON THAT.

BUT THAT SOLUTION'S NOT GONNA WORK BECAUSE IN THIS STATE, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

SO THE THIRD SOLUTION IS WE BUILD SHORT-TERM.

WE BUILT WORKPLACE HOUSING THAT COULD BE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S THE ANSWER THAT I WOULD PREFER.

AND THAT'S THE ANSWER THAT I BELIEVE THE CITY IS WORKING TOWARD.

SO WE'RE, THAT'S THE LONG TERM SOLUTION, IS WE'VE GOT TO HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO WE'VE GOT, ARE WE GONNA JUST PRETEND THIS ISN'T GONNA GO ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS TILL TILL THAT GETS DONE? SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS A SOLUTION.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT AND THEY NEED TO BE FINALIZED.

THERE'S SOME STILL, IT'S STILL A LITTLE TOO, TOO VAGUE ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

SO I DON'T SAY IT'S PERFECT AT THIS POINT.

IT NEEDS WORK, BUT IT IS A BRIDGE FROM NOW TO THE FUTURE.

THE FUTURE IS DEALING WITH HOUSING THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA RUN UNDER GOOD.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING CHANGE.

I REALIZE THAT I'M NOT IN THE MINORITY MAJORITY IN THIS GROUP.

I DON'T THINK THIS GROUP NECESSARILY PRESENTS WHEN THEY SAY THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA THAT IT DOES.

MICHAEL.

RICHARD, ARE YOU STILL HERE? RICHARD MAIN.

JOHN MARTINEZ.

I KNOW YOU'RE STILL IN THE BACK.

THE PONDS THERE, WE GOT HIKING TRAILS AROUND THAT.

I AGREE.

WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JAMES.

UH, DUNLEY.

BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING, MAYOR? UH, NOT YET.

BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING, MAYOR, I'M NOT TAKING OFF MY HEAD BECAUSE I'M BLIND.

ALL OF YOU WITH ALL THE LIGHTS ON THE MIC, JOHN WON'T BE OFF RECORD ON THAT ONE.

OKAY? OKAY.

JOHN MARTINEZ FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA.

AND WHAT I WANNA SAY IS, UNFORTUNATELY PERCEPTION EQUALS REALITY.

WHEN CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING ON TO WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT KIND OF MADE A LOT OF PEOPLE UPSET THAT SOMETHING WAS GOING ON WITH BASICALLY YOUR APPROVAL FOR FULL COUNSEL.

I KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE SEDONA RESIDENTS EMPATHIZE WITH THE PLIGHT OF THE HOMELESS.

I WOULD KNOW WHAT HOMELESS IS LIKE, BUT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE WILL NOT HELP THEIR, UH, NEEDS IN THE LONG RUN.

THINGS TAKE SO MUCH TIME TO BUILD, ESPECIALLY IN SEDONA WITH ALL OF THE, UH, BUILDING CODES THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

IN FACT, AS I'M SURE MOST OF YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE AUDIENCE KNOWS IS THAT IN COTTONWOOD RIGHT ACROSS THE MEDICAL CENTER, THEY BUILT 162 UNITS AND IT TOOK LESS THAN SIX YEARS.

WE COULD NEVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT HERE IN SEDONA.

BUT I AGREE THAT SAFETY IS IMPORTANT WITH ALL OUR BUILDING COATS AND SPEED IS FURTHER ON DOWN THE LINE.

BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, AND I MENTIONED IT BEFORE, THE DELLS IS THE PLACE THINGS SHOULD BE.

WE ALREADY OWN IT.

WE CAN MAKE SPECIAL, PLEASE, PLEASE, WE CAN MAKE SPECIAL ALLOWANCES FOR ALL THE IMPACT FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE COULD TELL THE CONTRACTOR OR THE BUILDER, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTS TO BUY THAT LIKE THEY DO WITH INDIAN LAND.

WE'LL CHARGE YOU A DOLLAR A YEAR.

WE'VE GOT FUNDS IN THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT TO DO THAT.

BUT I REMEMBER WHEN I BROUGHT THAT UP ONCE BEFORE I WAS RIDICULED BY SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE DAIS IS THAT WHO IN THE HECK WANTS TO LIVE ACROSS FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? YEAH, THAT SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD IDEA, EXCEPT FOR ONE THING.

WE BUILT A PARK AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

WE GOT ROMANA THERE, WE GOT PICNIC TABLES THERE, WE GOT

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SO THAT'S NOT REALLY VALID, ESPECIALLY IF YOU BUILD IT FOR THE BACK OF THAT 200 ACRES.

WE GOT GREAT VIEWS.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THE AF OH, EXCUSE ME, WHEN I BROUGHT THAT IDEA UP ALSO, IS THAT CARS, THEY'RE GONNA BE DRIVING HERE FROM THAT AREA AND IT'S GONNA WORSEN THE TRAFFIC.

WELL, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE'VE GOT A SHUTTLE, THE VER SHUTTLE THAT COMES BY THERE THAT PICKED THAT UP.

IF THE EMPLOYERS COULD OFFER SOME REIMBURSEMENT FOR USING THE BUS, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.

BUT WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, AND THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR, FOR KURT, IS INSURANCE IS INSURANCE.

WHAT'S THE LIABILITY OF THE CITY? I MEAN, I WAS SITTING HERE AND I'M SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO MY NEIGHBOR IN THE CHAIR.

THAT'S ALMOST HOW CLOSE THE PARKING SPOTS ARE FROM ONE CAR TO THE OTHER.

PEOPLE GET P****D.

THERE'S MUSIC THAT ARE PLAYED LOUD, THINGS LIKE THAT.

IF SOMEONE CUT OUTTA THEIR CAR AND TRIES TO MAKE, UH, THE END OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL, THEY'LL SILENCE THEIR MUSIC.

SOMEONE GETS HURT.

IT'S ON US.

THANK YOU MR. MARTINEZ.

JAMES DUN DUNLAP AND WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY LYNN PERKINS.

WHAT ABOUT LYNN OUTSIDE IN THE HALL? NO.

I THOUGHT I SAW YOU WALK IN BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY PRONOUNCED KRUMSKY, BUT DON'T WORRY.

I, I I MARRIED IT.

I KNOW EXACTLY.

IT'S BEEN VERY HARD MY ENTIRE LIFE.

UM, AND IT'S LATE CAROL KREMSKY FROM SEDONA.

UH, SO AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, UH, SOME OF YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, I VOLUNTEER AT THE FOOD BANK.

I'M THERE EVERY WEEK.

I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.

AND I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN TALKING TO SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT COME IN ABOUT THE, IF THEY WERE LIVING IN THEIR CARS, IF THEY WERE HOMELESS, WHAT WAS GOING ON.

AND I WAS REALLY SURPRISED TO FIND THAT IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD.

'CAUSE I, I MADE A POINT OF ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.

I GOT ABOUT 40 DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE LIVING IN THEIR CARS AND THEY WERE WORKING IN SEDONA.

AND SO THE QUESTION BECOMES WHY? 'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A VERY NICE LIFESTYLE FOR MOST OF US.

THERE MAY BE SOME WHO CONSIDER A LARK, BUT FOR MANY PEOPLE IT'S NOT.

AND THE QUESTION, AND THE, AND THE REAL ANSWER WAS BASICALLY IT'S ABOUT THE COST.

SO THE NUMBERS ARE REALLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

A RETAIL WORKER WHO'S WORKING FULL TIME, AND THAT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO DO.

AND MAKING $18 AN HOUR, WHICH IS OFTEN NEAR A TOP SALARY.

IF THEY WERE GONNA SPEND WITH THE GOVERNMENT, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY SHOULD SPEND ON HOUSING, THEIR MAXIMUM RENT WOULD BE $988 A MONTH.

AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN GET FOR $988 A MONTH.

THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES, BUT THEY AREN'T REALLY, UM, VERY GOOD.

AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY FULL.

UH, ROOMS ARE RENTING RIGHT NOW FOR $1,200 A MONTH IF YOU CAN FIND ONE.

AND TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS ARE RENTING FOR 2100.

I ACTUALLY JUST SAW ONE LISTED FOR 2200 ON NEXT DOOR.

ALSO VERY HARD TO FIND BECAUSE ONLY 4% OF OUR HOUSING IS ACTUALLY APARTMENTS.

THE LONG-TERM RENTAL HOUSING THAT WE USED TO HAVE THAT WORKERS USED TO GET TOGETHER AND RENT TOGETHER, IT'S DISAPPEARED.

A LOT OF IT IS TURNED INTO SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO THERE JUST ISN'T MUCH IN THE WAY OF HOUSING AVAILABLE.

SO IN SEDONA, 40% OF OUR RENTERS ARE PAYING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME.

THEY'RE PAYING MORE THAN THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY SHOULD BE PAYING.

THE PROBLEM IS THE SAME IN COTTONWOOD AND CLARKDALE.

IT'D BE NICE TO SAY, JUST GO FIND SOMEPLACE NEARBY.

THERE'S NO PLACE TO FIND THERE EITHER.

THEY, I HAVE THE SAME SORT OF NUMBERS.

THEY'VE GOT ABOUT 40% OF THEIR RENTERS PAYING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME.

SO WE REALLY CAN'T JUST IGNORE THIS PROBLEM AND HOPE IT GOES AWAY.

IF, IF WE DO IGNORE IT AND HOPE IT GOES AWAY, SO WILL THE WORKERS.

AND WE JUST WON'T HAVE STORES TO GO TO OR RESTAURANTS TO GO TO.

SO I ASK THAT YOU, I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT PLANS UNDERWAY.

WE'RE WORKING ON HOUSING.

IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

I JUST ASK THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS AS A SHORT TERM SOLUTION, AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE ON WITH BUILDING OUR LONG-TERM HOUSING PLAN.

TIFFANY'S THE LAST NAME.

NO, NO, I, I, OH, IT SAYS HERB.

I COULDN'T EVEN READ IT.

I HAVE, I HAVE CORRECT.

ONCE I SAW YOU, I KNEW WHO YOU WERE.

SO THAT'S HOW I PUT TWO.

AND TOGETHER, UH, HERB, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, JOHN BRADSHAW.

UH, AND I'M OPPOSED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT THE CULTURAL PARK.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME IS HERB TIFFANY.

I LIVE IN COVILLE, BUT I'VE BEEN A BUSINESS OWNER IN SEDONA FOR 30 YEARS NOW.

AND I AM OPPOSED TO THE SAFE PARK PROGRAM.

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UM, JUST FOR JUST THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0 MM-HMM.

AND WE'RE, AND, AND WE'RE TRYING TO RESTORE THE CULTURE PARK TO WHAT ITS INTENT WAS, WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE, UH, WHICH SHOULD BE A CENTERPIECE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, AND I WANNA ALSO STATE, STATE THAT NOT ONE MEMBER OF OUR BOARD IS OPPOSED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING.

THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT.

IT'S REALLY NOT.

WE JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THE CAR PARK AND WE DON'T WANNA SEE THE CULTURE PARK USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND I WANT TO SAY BUILDING NEW, TRULY AFFORDABLE, UH, HOMES IN SEDONA.

YOU CAN'T DO IT.

YOU CANNOT BUILD AFFORDABLE HOMES ON UNAFFORDABLE DIRT.

IT'S, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

UM, AND, AND IF IT, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, IT'D ALREADY BEEN DONE, WE'D HAVE COMPLETED UNITS OR WE'D AT LEAST BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

SO THERE'S A REASON IT'S NOT DONE HERE.

UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT UPSETS ME, EVERY TIME I TALK TO SOMEBODY ABOUT THE DELLS, IT SEEMS TO GET SHOVED UNDER THE CARPET.

THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'VE GOT A 225 ACRE SITE VERSUS A 41 ACRE SITE WOULD GIVE YOU TREMENDOUSLY, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE NUMBERS OF UNITS.

UH, AND IT WOULD ALSO GIVE YOU A, A DIVERSITY OF UNITS.

YOU DIDN'T, WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE SAME COOKIE CUTTER APARTMENT COMPLEX AS ONE AFTER THE OTHER.

UM, AND THEN THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE CULTURAL PARK, IT DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO AFFORDABLE CONSTRUCTION.

WITH THAT TERRAIN OUT THERE.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RETAINING WALLS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IMPORT EXPORT SCENARIOS.

UH, IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE.

BUT REALLY THE MOST PROHIBITIVE COST THAT WE FACE IN OUR SEDONA IS THE ROCK EXCAVATION.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT KILLS THESE PROJECTS.

AND I KNOW IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN SEDONA.

AND I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT'S NOT.

UM, AND THAT'S, I I JUST SINCERELY HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER THE DELLS PROJECT IN LIEU OF THE CULTURAL PARK AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU HERB.

JOHN, BRAD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARY NELL TELLY.

UH, TERRY IS MARY.

UH, NELL STILL HERE.

OKAY, GOOD.

JOHN, UH, THREE MINUTES, UH, YOU HAVE WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY RESIDENCE.

DON'T NEED THREE MINUTES.

UM, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.

UH, MY NAME'S JOHN BRADSHAW, A LIFETIME RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

UM, I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH WHAT HERB TIFFANY JUST SAID, SO I'M NOT GONNA REGURGITATE THAT.

THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO IS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT JOHN MARTINEZ SAID ABOUT PERCEPTION AND WHAT THE PERCEPTION OF THE COMMUNITY IS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, THERE IS A PERCEPTION OUT THERE THAT, UH, THIS IS BEING RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS AND THERE'S NO CHOICE THAT ANY OF US HAVE.

UM, I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE TRUTH, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PERCEPTION IS.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THE ONE THING THAT NO CITY COUNCIL OR NO CITY STAFF SHOULD EVER DO.

AND THAT'S, YOU WOKE UP THE SLEEPING GIANT OF THE CITIZENS OF SEDONA AND THEY'LL MAKE SURE, AND THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEIR VOICES ARE HEARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

SO PLEASE LISTEN TO WHAT'S BEING SAID TONIGHT AND PUT THIS ON PAUSE AND GIVE IT A BREAK.

WHEN I SAY BREAK, I MEAN PUT THE BRAKES ON AND RETHINK THIS BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT I THINK WE CAN ALL GET BEHIND AND THE CITIZENS CAN SUPPORT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

MARY N. TERRY BY LINDSAY AKIS.

HELLO, MY NAME IS MARY TER AND I'M A 24 YEAR HOMEOWNER HERE IN, UH, FOOTHILL SOUTH, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THIS PROPERTY THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.

IT'S ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FROM THE CULTURAL PARK.

WE ARE IN THE COMMUNITY, ARE OPPOSED TO THE USE OF THIS CULTURAL PARK.

IT'S AN OVERNIGHT VEHICLE CAMP.

UH, THE PROPOSAL IS COMPLETELY UNENFORCEABLE.

UH, THERE'S NO WAY TO ENFORCE FOOT TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THIS SUB PARKING AREA.

AND AS SUCH, THE OVERNIGHT USAGE WILL OPEN THIS ONCE RENEWABLE PROPERTY TO VAGRANT DRUG DEALERS AND CRIMINALS, NOT JUST TEMPORARILY OR SELF-EMPLOYED PEOPLE NEEDING A JOB AND BEING SOUGHT FOR THEIR LOW WAGE.

THAT JOBS THAT SO DESPERATELY ARE NEEDED BY THE, UH, EXISTING AND EVER-GROWING TOURIST INDUSTRY.

AND THESE USERS ARE SUPPOSEDLY ONLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR ONE NIGHT IN AND OUT THE NEXT MORNING EACH VISIT.

THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS PROPOSED UNENFORCEABLE.

IT IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF HOPE THAT THE CULTURAL PART COULD ONCE AGAIN BE AS ITS NAME IMPLIES,

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IS THE NEXT STEP AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY PLAN, AND TURN THIS VEHICLE CAMP INTO A PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR BUSINESSES SEEKING CHEAP LABOR FORCE.

I ALSO WANT TO PROTEST THE SUBTLE LACK OF TRANSPARENT WAY OUR CITY REPRESENTATIVES ARE AND HAVE DEALT WITH SHOVING THIS DOWN, THIS DECISION DOWN THE THROATS OF THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE PREPARED TO VOTE AND WHO PAY TAXES.

IN ADDITION TO THE TOURIST RELATED BUSINESSES, WHICH ARE THE TARGET FOR THIS UNTENABLE IDEA, PLEASE DON'T TURN THIS VALUABLE PROPERTY INTO A SLUM, BUT INSTEAD SPEND THE CITY'S MONEY ON REVIVING A REAL CULTURAL PARK THAT WILL BE APPRECIATED BY ALL OF US WHO LIVE HERE AND IN YOUR CITY AND MIND, AS WELL AS THE TOURIST WHO ARE NOW OVERWHELMING OUR CITY SERVICES.

AND MORE ON THE WAY THANKS TO NEWLY APPROVED REQUESTS FOR MORE AND MORE TOURIST ACCOMMODATIONS AND YOUR FOCUS ON THIS RATHER THAN THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE.

I DON'T FEEL THE COUNCIL SHOULD APPROVE ANY ITEM WHERE SO MANY DETAILS STILL REMAIN UNSOLVED.

OKAY, LYNN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER, UH, DOWELL.

CHRISTOPHER, ARE YOU STILL HERE? HE'S GONE.

HE'S GONE.

AND CHRISTOPHER FORD, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY.

OKAY, LYNN.

HI, MY NAME'S LYNN ZAKA AND I'M A RESIDENT OF WEST SEDONA.

I'LL KEEP MY, UH, COMMENTS BRIEF TONIGHT, BUT I CAME HERE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT THE SAFE PLACE, UH, TO PARK PROGRAM.

INITIALLY, I WAS SKEPTICAL OF THE PLAN AND HAD A NUMBER OF CONCERNS, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEEN VOICED TONIGHT.

UH, ONCE I READ THE PROPOSAL, I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN THAT HAS MANY CONTROLS IN PLACE, INCLUDING OVERSIGHT BY VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION.

THAT SAID, I DO THINK, UH, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE REFINEMENT.

I THOUGHT IN PARTICULAR, CONSULAR, PLEBE BROUGHT UP A NUMBER OF GOOD POINTS, AND I DO THINK THAT SOME OF THESE, SOME REFINEMENT IS WARRANTED.

UM, WE HAVE A CRITICAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THE AREA, AND IT, IT PROVIDES SOME SHORT TERM RELIEF FOR THAT COHORT AS THE CITY PROVIDES SOME MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER THAT THIS POPULATION IS SUPPORTING THE CITY AND SERVICES THAT US RESIDENTS ARE USING EVERY DAY.

UH, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT, I'VE HEARD MANY COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT THE PERMANENCE OF THIS.

AND, UH, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUED AS PERMANENT.

IT'S TEMPORARY IN NATURE.

CERTAINLY AS, AS ONE OF THE COUNSELORS BROUGHT UP AT ANY TIME, IT COULD BE STOPPED IF IT GOES, UH, SIDEWAYS.

AND, UH, IT'S A REASONABLE SHORT TERM.

AND I STRESS SHORT TERM USE OF THIS PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY, AS I UNDERSTAND, TO LOOK AT A NUMBER OF OPTIONS AND HOW IT WILL BE USED.

THAT MIGHT INCLUDE SUB HOUSING.

IT MIGHT BE AFFORDABLE, IT MIGHT BE MARKET RATE, IT MIGHT BE, UM, GATHERING SPACES.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES OUT THERE.

BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT THAT WILL NOT BE DETERMINED FOR AT LEAST A FEW YEARS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A PROCESS THAT'S VETTED OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT PERHAPS A NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE ALREADY DECIDED WHAT THAT LONG TERM, UH, YOU SHOULD BE.

AND I THINK THERE WOULD BE JUMPING THE GUN.

I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO, UH, UH, SPEND THE RIGHT TIME AND DUE DILIGENCE FOR THE PERMANENT SOLUTION.

SO IN CONCLUSION, I, I APPLAUD THE CITY AND COUNCIL FOR, UH, DEVISING THIS PLAN IS A SHORT TERM SOLUTION.

I DO THINK SOME REFINEMENT IS INDICATED BEFORE MOVING FORWARD, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT COME TO PASS.

LYNN , CHRISTOPHER FORD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CRAIG SWANSON.

I FIND IT SURREAL THAT THIS CITY IS PREPARED TO LET PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN SLEEP IN WHAT SHOULD BE ITS PREMIER CULTURAL ATTRACTION.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS CHRIS FORD.

I'M A FULL-TIME RESIDENT OF SEDONA, UH, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.

I DO WANNA EXPRESS MY VERY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PERMANENT ZONING CHANGE AT THE CULTURAL PARK.

YES, OF COURSE, WE, WE ALL WANT TO HELP THE HOUSING SITUATION OF THOSE LESS FORTUNATE.

BUT SAFE PLACE TO PARK IS THE WRONG SOLUTION IN THE WRONG PLACE, AND IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEM WITH ANY DIGNITY.

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I THINK THE CITY OWNS WHAT 106 OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE BETTER SUITED, SAFER, AND HUMANE.

THE DOLLS, OF COURSE, HAS BEEN MENTIONED.

NOW, THERE ARE TWO PETITIONS OPPOSED TO SAFE PLACE TO PARK CURRENTLY IN OPERATION THAT ALREADY BE MENTIONED.

BUT LET'S REPEAT IT.

THERE'S ONE WITH 586 VERIFIED SEDONA SIGNATURES AND ANOTHER WHICH HAS 1,498 SIGNATURES.

THESE SEEM TO BE IGNORED.

YOU CAN DISPUTE THESE FIGURES, BUT AS A PROPORTION OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS POPULATION, THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT.

AND THOSE PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE HEARD.

TAX PAYER DOLLARS FUNDED THE PURCHASE OF THE CULTURAL PART, WHICH IS AN ASSET THAT BELONGS TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.

SO DO WE WANT A HOMELESS PARKING LOT OR A RENOVATED AMPHITHEATER, AN ARTS VILLAGE? WE OPENED THIS MEETING WITH A MOMENT OF ART, AND YET WE SPENT HOURS ON DESCRIBING HOW WE ARE GONNA PERMANENTLY CHANGE THE ZONING AND DESTROY THIS CITY'S MOST GREATEST UNDERUSED ASSET.

NOW, MOST OF YOU HERE ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.

AND I AM, AND I DON'T THINK YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU HAVE HERE.

THE PERFORMANCE INDUSTRY HAS CHANGED BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION.

RED ROCKS IN COLORADO GENERATES $40 MILLION IN PROFIT A YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE.

OTHER CITIES ARE BUILDING AMPHITHEATERS, AND YET WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PERFORMANCE VENUES IN THE SOUTHWEST RIGHT HERE, UNUSED.

SO OTHER CITIES SEE THIS OPPORTUNITY.

WHY IS SEDONA SO UNINTERESTED IN LACKING IN VISION? THE CITY CAN REVIVE PERFORMANT ARTS IN THE AMPHITHEATER AND HAVE WORKFORCE HOUSING SUITABLY PAID FOR BY IT.

WE CAN HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT.

SO I JUST THINK IT'S SUCH A POOR REFLECTION ON THIS CITY THAT TAKES PRIDE IN THE SUPPORT OF THE ARTS THAT THIS MISGUIDED PLAN HAS GOT AS FAR AS IT HAS.

AND I DO URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS PERMANENT ZONING CHANGE WHEN THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS BETTER SUITED.

IT'S CLEAR FROM LISTENING TO EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T DISLIKE, JUST DISLIKE THIS PROPOSITION.

THEY HATE IT.

AND I THINK WE'LL BE LOSING A BIG PART OF THE SOUL OF WHAT SEDONA COULD BE IF THIS GOES AHEAD.

GREG SWANSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY UH, PAUL.

OH, PAUL SHA.

MY NAME IS CRAIG SWANSON.

I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND I LIVE ABOUT A THIRD, UH, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE AWAY FROM THE PROJECT.

I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS AS ONE SMALL STEP TO SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TO SOLVE.

I THINK THE PROGRAM IS WELL PLANNED OUT TO TARGET THOSE WHO NEED A SAFE PLACE, AND THAT'S WHAT'S THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE THEM TEMPORARILY.

THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCEPTANCE INTO THE PROGRAM ARE THOROUGH.

BUT I AGREE.

I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE, UH, QUALMS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER PLU HAD, PARTICULARLY THE ONSITE STAFF, UH, SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO VET PEOPLE THAT DAY.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE SEPARATELY.

UH, THAT'S STATED.

I'M A RETIRED PROJECT MANAGER AND I KNOW THAT THE KEY ELEMENT TO SUCCESS OF ANY PROJECT IS DOING THOROUGH RISK MANAGEMENT.

FIRST.

WHAT CAN GO WRONG? HOW DO WE PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING? HOW DO WE SET UP PARAMETERS FOR SUCCESS? AND I'M CONVINCED THE RULES OF THIS PROGRAM REFLECT THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE DETAILS HAVE BEEN CLEARLY THOUGHT OUT IN ADVANCE.

AND PREPARED FOR THAT.

DOESN'T MEAN THAT THINGS WON'T COME UP, BUT THE FOREST SERVICE HAS SOMETHING CALLED ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT.

WHENEVER THEY DO A PROJECT REGULARLY, THEY LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR SUCCESS.

THEY EVALUATE WHETHER THEY'RE BEING MET OR NOT.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY ADAPT THE PROGRAM SO THAT IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.

AND THAT'S THE KIND OF SITUATION WE SHOULD HAVE HERE.

ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE PROGRAM IS SUCCESSFUL AND INCLUDED TO CONCLUDE, AND I'M SORRY I HAVE TO SAY THIS, BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A CARING COMMUNITY, BUT THE ANGER AND THE FEAR THAT I'VE SEEN DEMONSTRATED TONIGHT MAKES ME ASHAMED.

CRAIG.

UH, PAUL VALIER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MIRIAM LUCKY L.

BETTER EYES THAN MINE.

YEAH, IT'S TOUGH, HUH? YOU? NO, I GOT LUKE MIRIAM

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LUKI.

ANYTHING CLOSE.

STARTS WITH A FIRST NAME STARTS WITH AN M .

MAYOR BLO, MEMBERS OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS PAUL CHEVALIER AND I LIVE IN SEDONA AND I'M A LITTLE HOARSE.

THE PROPOSED USE OF THE OLD CULTURAL PARK GROUNDS FOR A PARKING LOT FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE WITH CARS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED TODAY FOR MANY REASONS.

FIRST OF ALL, LET'S BE VERY CLEAR THAT PARKING USE CANNOT BE LIMITED TO HOMELESS CAR OWNERS WHO HAVE JOBS IN THE CITY.

THE STATE WHICH IS FOOTING THE BILL, HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT CITY RETIRED AND DISABLED CAR OWNERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE IT AS WELL.

MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE NO JOBS.

I HOPE YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE, INCLUDING THOSE SLEEPING IN CARS, HAVE MENTAL DRUG AND ALCOHOL PROBLEMS. YOU HEARD THAT FROM ONE BUSINESS OWNER TONIGHT.

AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT THE CITY WILL BE TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THIS PARKING AREA.

I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS THE CAPABILITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PEOPLE.

MOREOVER, THE PROGRAM WILL DO HARM TO ITS PARTICIPANTS IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.

I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT TWO.

THE PROGRAM DOES NOT ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO TURN THEIR CAR ENGINES ON IN EXTREME WEATHER, TO STAY WARM WHEN IT'S COLD OR COOL IN THE HEAT WHILE THEY'RE SLEEPY.

THUS LEAVING THE PEOPLE IN THE CARS WITH TWO BAD CHOICES.

EITHER DON'T SLEEP OR SLEEP AND RISK GETTING SICK, PERHAPS SERIOUSLY SICK FROM THE EXTREME WEATHER.

FINALLY, THE PROGRAM FORCES THESE PEOPLE, THESE CARS TO BE DRIVEN OUT EACH MORNING BEFORE 8:00 AM WITHOUT REGARD TO THE WEATHER OR WHETHER THE DRIVER'S MENTAL DRIVING CONDITION IS SUITABLE, BOTH OF WHICH COULD PUT PEOPLE IN THESE CARS, PLUS OTHER CARS THEY MAY HIT AT RISK OF SERIOUS, PERHAPS DEADLY DRIVING ACCIDENTS.

AND WHAT MAKES IT SADDER IS THAT THIS RULE IS UNNECESSARY.

AND MOREOVER, THESE PEOPLE MOST MORNINGS WILL HAVE NO PLACE TO GO AT 8:00 AM EXCEPT TO ILLEGAL PARKING OR THE FOREST.

BUT THERE IS AN EVEN MORE COMPELLING REASON TO VOTE AGAINST THIS PROGRAM.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN A DEMOCRACY HAS A DUTY TO REPRESENT THE PUBLIC, WHICH MEANS FOLLOWING THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT AND NOT THEIR WILL.

THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN SEDONA DO NOT FAVOR THIS CULTURAL PARK PROGRAM.

YOU HAVE PETITIONS, YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT.

YOU HAVE THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN EMAILS.

AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME, YOU MUST AT LEAST HAVE SOME DOUBT.

AND THERE'S A GREAT RULE THAT ALL PEOPLE IN YOUR POSITION SHOULD FOLLOW.

WHEN IN DOUBT DON'T.

NOW, JOHN BRADSHAW TONIGHT SAID, YOU'VE WAKING A SLEEPING GIANT.

I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

SO HAVE MANY OF YOU, PAUL.

WE HAVE TO.

DON'T DO IT.

WE HAVE TOO MANY, I'VE GOT 40 MORE PEOPLE TO GO.

WELL CLOSE ENOUGH.

SUSAN, UH, DE SUTTER.

WE FOLLOWED BY DAVID WOLF.

MY NAME IS ACTUALLY SUZANNE DE SUTTER.

I'VE, UH, LIVED IN SEDONA AS A RENTER FOR 27 YEARS.

I'VE WORKED FULL-TIME UNTIL I RETIRED.

I, I VOLUNTEERED AT THE FOOD BANK AT VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS AND AS THIS BIG SISTER AND A COUPLE OTHER PLACES.

UM, THERE'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE WE NEED A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THAT IN ABOUT PROBABLY SIX MONTHS.

I'VE BEEN ABLE TO RENT HERE AND AFFORD IT UNTIL RECENTLY.

UM, AND I KNOW ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT I KNOW I WON'T END UP LIVING IN MY CAR.

BUT I ALSO, UM, LISTENING TONIGHT, IT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT EVERYONE'S OPPOSED TO SERVING PEOPLE WHO WILL SERVE THE CITY AND WORK IN THE CITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THE LOCATION OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, AND, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THE CITY OF SEDONA IS OPPOSED TO IT.

WE KNOW ABOUT A PETITION THAT 2000 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT ARE OPPOSING IT.

BUT SOME SOLUTION HAS TO, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION.

AND SINCE THAT'S TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE, WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF STOP GAP.

SO MAYBE IT'S THE LOCATION.

UM, THAT'S ALL.

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DAVID WOLF WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TIMOTHY, UH, HOMOS, THE LITTLE, UH, GIANT MINISTRY.

I, I THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

ALL THE STAFF COUNCIL, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP THE HOMELESS AND THE AUDIENCE.

MY HEART IS WITH THE CAUSE.

UM, BUT THIS IS LIKE, I, I HAVE TO TALK FROM THE HEART 'CAUSE I HAVE A SON WHO'S A RECOVERING ADDICT.

SO I'VE BEEN THROUGH REAL LIFE SITUATIONS WHERE I WANTED TO HELP MY SON WHEN HE WASN'T READY, WE COULDN'T HELP HIM.

AND I'M ASKING THE CITY, THIS IS LIKE A SOBRIETY TEST FOR OURSELVES.

ARE WE READY TO HELP THE WILLING OR ARE WE JUST TRYING TO THROW OUT A CARPET TO HELP THOSE WHO ARE NOT READY FOR HELP? AND THAT'S THE MESSAGE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY COMING FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE AND IT'S COLLECTIVE, IT'S LIKE A COLLECTIVE SOLUTION.

THE SOLUTION NEEDS TO COME FROM THE VILLAGE, IT NEEDS TO COME FROM THE CHURCH, IT NEEDS TO COME FROM US BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING A HARD TIME.

SO THE FOOD BANKS, THE CHURCHES, I GO TO SYNAGOGUE HERE BEHIND BOSCH'S.

WE ALL NEED TO HELP OUR FELLOW CITIZENS OF SEDONA.

AND IF SOMEONE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, LET THE MARKETPLACE DETERMINE WHERE THAT INDIVIDUAL SHOULD LIVE.

IT'S NOT US.

I COME FROM NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY.

WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO WORK TO LIVE IN NEW YORK, BUT THEY WORK IN NEW YORK.

COMMUTING IS A FACT OF LIFE, BUT WHY COMMUTE PROBLEMS INTO SEDONA? AND MY SON, WHEN HE WAS AN ADDICT, YOU KNOW, AND HE WAS TAKING DRUGS, HE, HE SAID TO ME, AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I COULD SAY, HE WOULD COME TO MY OFFICE ON FIFTH AVENUE AND TELL ME HE NEEDED MONEY.

AND I SAID TO MY SON, HOW DO YOU FEEL WHEN YOU ASK FOR THE MONEY? AND HE SAYS, I FEEL GOOD.

AND THAT TURNED ME AROUND.

HE WASN'T READY.

I HAD TO WAIT TILL HE WAS READY TO HELP HIMSELF.

SO THIS IS A TWO TIERED SOBRIETY TEST.

WE CAN ONLY HELP THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP THEMSELVES.

AND WE OURSELVES, AS RESIDENCES, AS GOVERNORS OF THIS TOWN, THIS VILLAGE, WE NEED TO TAKE A SOBRIETY TEST AND SEE IF WE'RE REALLY COMING OUT WITH A LONG TERM OR SHORT TERM SOLUTION.

SO I'M, I'M REALLY OPPOSED TO BOTH, BOTH, UH, PROPOSALS UNTIL WE'RE READY FOR A LONG-TERM SOLUTION WITH SOCIAL SERVICES, THE SHERIFF, HOMELESS, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, I THINK IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO HELP THIS PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT A PARCEL OF LAND AND OUTDOOR PARKING LOT.

THANK YOU, MR. WOLF.

CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE? MR. WOLF? WOLF, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OAK CREEK, WHICH IS, GO BACK TO THE GO GO TO THE MIC PLEASE.

AND, AND, AND THEN SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

RUBIN'S ARTICLE IN WASHINGTON POST TODAY.

I'M IN THE COMMUNITY OF SEDONA.

I WORK IN SEDONA.

MY WIFE HAS A PLACE WHERE DO YOU LIVE, SIR? I LIVE AT 90 AOSA DRIVE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK.

THANK THAT'S, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOU, OKAY.

IT'S ON THE RECORD.

IT'S ALL ONE.

WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL NEIGHBORS.

IT HAD NOTHING TO DO.

I GET IT.

I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.

MY NAME'S TIMOTHY HOLMES AND I'VE, UH, LIVED IN SEDONA CONTINUOUSLY FOR ABOUT 23 YEARS.

UH, I'VE LIVED HERE AND TAUGHT HERE EXCEPT FOR BRIEF, UM, TEACHING ASSIGNMENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA AND UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA WHERE I CAME FROM.

AND IN MINNESOTA, SOME OF THE BIGGEST COMPANIES HAVE RELOCATED THERE BECAUSE OF THE GREAT LABOR FORCE.

AND IT'S A GREAT LABOR FORCE BECAUSE YOU PUT THE RESOURCES INTO DEVELOPING THAT.

AND I CAME TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF, UH, THIS PROJECT, THE PARKING PLACE FOR FREE.

BUT I'VE DISCOVERED A BIGGER PROBLEM.

I WANNA ADDRESS THE PERSON WHO SAID, OR PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THEIR CARS.

DO YOU HAVE EMPIRICAL DATA ON THAT? YES.

HAVE YOU INTERVIEWED THE THOUSANDS OF WOMEN WHO GOT AWAY WITH JUST THE CAR AND THE KIDS? THAT'S AN ISSUE HERE.

IF THAT'S THE BELIEF THAT PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING THAT LIFESTYLE, THEN YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND YOU GET SOME GRACE ON IT BECAUSE IT'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE ABOUT ECONOMICS.

I WOULD REFER YOU TO JERRY OR UH, JENNIFER

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HOW WELL ECO, UH, TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS' WORK IT.

YOU NEED TO LOOK AT YOUR ATTITUDES.

MAYBE THAT'S THE RIGHT PLACE OR THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT THOSE KIND OF ATTITUDES ARE NOT GONNA HELP AND THEY'RE NOT TRUE.

KURT SMITH.

KIRK WITH A K SMITH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, JEN MAY.

I THINK SHE JUST STEPPED OUT, BUT NOT, SHE DIDN'T LEAVE.

WERE YOU FOLLOWED BY, UH, HARRIET? UH, SHELLY'S OR SKELLY? NO.

HI, I AM JENNIFER MAY.

I LIVE IN COVILLE CURRENTLY.

I WAS BORN IN SEDONA, UH, RAISED IN SEDONA.

I GREW UP IN SEDONA AND HAVE A BUSINESS THAT I OPERATE HERE IN SEDONA.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA READ MY STATEMENTS.

UM, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR.

I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH A GROUP OF PASSIONATE COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS DRIVEN BY A SHARED VISION FOR THE REVITALIZATION OF THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK.

OUR PROPOSAL, AND I AM ON ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0.

OUR PROPOSAL NOT ONLY SEEKS TO BREATHE NEW LIFE INTO THIS CHAIR SPACE, BUT ALSO ADDRESSES THE PRESSING ISSUE OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING SHORTAGE IN OUR CITY.

THROUGH OUR 5 0 1 3 C NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, WE PROPOSED TO REVIVE THE CULTURAL PARKS ORIGINAL PURPOSE, INCLUDING THE MUSIC VENUE.

THIS REVIVAL PROMISES TO GENERATE INCREASED TAX REVENUE FROM EVENTS, WHICH COULD AND SHOULD BE EARMARKED TO GENERATE INCREASED, I'M SORRY, EARMARKED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF MUCH NEEDED WORKFORCE HOUSING YEAR AFTER YEAR.

RATHER THAN BURDENING TO SEDONA TAXPAYERS.

THIS SUSTAINABLE APPROACH ENSURES A CONTINUOUS STREAM OF FUNDING FOR ESSENTIAL HOUSING INITIATIVES.

WE UNDERSTAND THE SKEPTICISM SURROUNDING THE ENDEAVOR, GIVEN THE PARK'S PREVIOUS SETBACKS.

HOWEVER, TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

THE SHIFT FROM CD SALES TO DIGITAL MUSIC PLATFORMS HAS TRANSFORMED THE LANDSCAPE OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

WITH TOURING NOW BEING THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME FOR ALL ARTISTS, LEVERAGING THIS SHIFT, WE AIM TO PARTNER WITH PROFESSIONAL MUSIC MANAGEMENT COMPANIES TO CREATE A VENUE AKIN TO THE SUCCESSFUL RED ROCK AMPHITHEATER IN COLORADO THAT CHRIS FORD TALKED ABOUT.

THIS HAS PROVEN TO BE A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE GENERATOR FOR ITS CITY.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE BENEFITS OF EXPLORING THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CULTURAL PARK FOR HOUSING, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, WHILE ALSO OFFERING A COST-EFFECTIVE SOLUTION.

AND THIS ELEMENT IS INCLUDED OUR IN OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE CULTURAL PARK, THE GENEROSITY OF THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS, JENS FOLD AND THOMPSON, WHO HAVE ALSO DONATED A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE DELLS, FURTHER REITERATES OUR COMMITMENT TO THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT.

THIS PLAN INTEGRATES OPEN PARKS, REGENERATIVE FARMING AND RETAIL SHOPS, EMBODYING A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT.

I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT AN EXCLUSION OF ANYONE, BUT RATHER THE PURSUIT OF THE MOST EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION FOR OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING NEEDS.

WE INVITE AND VALUE COMMUNITY INPUT AS WE COLLECTIVELY WORK TOWARDS ADDRESSING THE HOUSING SHORTAGE.

I SINCERELY HOPE THE CITY WILL LOOK TO ONE OF THE OTHER 106 PARCELS THAT OWNS FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND NOT IGNORE THAT THE TAX DOLLARS FROM A REVITALIZED AMPHITHEATER SPECIFICALLY EARMARKED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE OUR GOAL TO SUSTAINABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNTIL ALL OF THOSE NEEDS ARE MET.

THANK YOU HARRIET.

UH, SKELLY OR SHELLY? I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY.

OH, NO'S MOVING.

SOMEBODY'S COMING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HER.

OH, OKAY.

NO, NO.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHEN THOSE CARS COME THERE AND THEY'RE TURNED AWAY, WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE GONNA GO? ARE THEY GONNA GO TO THE SUMMIT TIMESHARES? ARE THEY GONNA GO TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD OFF OF BRISTOL CONE PINES? UM, WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE GONNA GO AND HOW IS THAT GONNA BE ADVERTISED? ADVERTISED THIS PARKING AREA? I MEAN, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME AND THERE WILL BE MORE AND MORE DRUG PROBLEMS. I'VE ALSO OWNED A RESTAURANT AND HAVE WORKED IN A RESTAURANT, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TIME PERIOD FROM 4:00 PM TO 10:00 PM WHERE PEOPLE CAN CHECK IN.

UH, DAWN KOS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT COSTA.

UM, HELLO, I'M DAWN KOS.

I'VE LIVED HERE IN SEDONA FOR, UH, 15 YEARS.

FULL-TIME.

I'VE OWNED PROPERTY HERE SINCE 1990.

UM, I AM COMPLETELY IN OPPOSITION TO THE CITY, PUTTING IN THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, UM, AT THE PARK CULTURAL PARK CENTER.

I THINK THAT, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT HERE TONIGHT, THE SMOKING IN THE CAR, NOT IN THE CAR.

ARE THERE CHILDREN IN THE CAR WHEN YOU'RE SMOKING? SHOULD WE HAVE A FIRE PIT OUT THERE? WE HAVE BANDS ALL THE TIME ABOUT FIRES IN THIS AREA.

I'VE ALSO HEARD, UM, PEOPLE COMPARE IT OR STAND UP HERE SAYING THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS CENTER, UM, CAN BE COMPARED TO THIS PARKING LOT.

THAT'S A CENTER, THAT'S, THAT'S A SHELTER.

THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PARK A CAR AND LIVE IN A CAR.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN EVEN COMPARE THOSE.

UM, ALSO I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PLANS THAT ARE IN DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY FOR LOW INCOME ALREADY.

UM, HOUSING.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ONLY TALKED TO 40 PEOPLE THAT WANNA PARK THEIR VEHICLES.

WHAT

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DO YOU KNOW RESTAURANT WORKERS DON'T GET OUT OF, OF HERE UNTIL OUT OF WORK UNTIL AFTER 11 O'CLOCK, 12 O'CLOCK? WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE GOING? RESTAURANTS ARE A BIG, UM, BUSINESS HERE IN TOWN, AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA BE COMPLETELY OUT OF EVEN POSSIBLY EVEN DOING THIS.

UM, I CAME FROM CALIFORNIA AND PEOPLE THAT WORK IN BEVERLY HILLS DON'T LIVE IN BEVERLY HILLS.

I HAVE BEEN TO, UM, VAIL, COLORADO.

I'VE BEEN TO JACKSON HOLE.

EVERYONE DRIVES TO WORK.

AND IN CALIFORNIA YOU'RE DRIVING TWO HOURS ONE WAY.

THIS IS JUST WHERE THE STATE OF LIFE IS.

AND WITH WORKERS, PEOPLE NOT THERE NOT BEING ENOUGH WORKERS HERE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WORKERS ANYWHERE YOU HEAR ABOUT IT IN EVERY SINGLE CITY.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS JUST HERE IN SEDONA.

I SUPPORT THE CULTURAL CENTER TO BE REVIVED.

ROBERT KOSTER.

WE FOLLOWED BY SCOTT ROSS.

HI, MY NAME IS ROBERT KOSTER.

I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA.

I'M A VOTER HERE IN SEDONA.

UM, I'M FOR THE CULTURAL PARK.

I'M AGAINST THE MEASURES.

I GUESS THE BIGGEST QUESTION I HAVE TO ASK, I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKE GOOD COMMENTS BOTH FOR AND AGAINST, BUT THE BIGGEST QUESTION I WANT TO ASK IS, WHAT IS A LEGACY THAT YOU, MR. MAYOR, THE PEOPLE ON, ON THE COUNCIL, THE OTHER PEOPLE HERE IN THIS ROOM WANNA LEAVE? UH, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO MAKE A CHANGE HERE THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE SAY WILL PROBABLY BE A PERMANENT CHANGE ONCE DONE, IT'S VERY HARD TO BE UNDONE.

AND I LOOK AT MANY PLACES, THIS IS A PROBLEM, NOT JUST HERE IN SEDONA.

YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY WHERE SOMETHING HAS CHANGED THAT WAS ONCE A VALUED ASSET THAT THE PEOPLE, THAT COMMUNITY USED, FAMILIES USED, UH, FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS USED THAT ONCE CHANGED, IS GONE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE.

I MEAN THE, THE, THE, UH, COLORADO SPRINGS RED ROCK HAS BEEN USED AS EXAMPLE OF A SUCCESS.

I CAN GIVE THIS EXAMPLE OF A FAILURE.

UM, THE, UH, VERIZON AMPHITHEATER IN IRVINE, THE WILD RIVERS THAT WAS THERE IN IRVINE, WAS A GREAT VENUE FOR MANY GENERATIONS OF, OF KIDS GOING THROUGH IT, FAMILIES GOING THROUGH IT, ENJOYING THAT TO TAKE WITH THEM.

UM, IT'S GONE NOW.

IT'S BASICALLY BOXES OF APARTMENTS AFTER APARTMENTS AFTER APARTMENTS.

SO WHAT I WANNA REALLY WANT TO JUST IMPLORE EVERYBODY HERE IS DON'T JUST LOOK AT THE SHORT TERM.

LOOK AT THE LONG TERM, LOOK AT THE LEGACY THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE AND LEAVE FOR THE CITY BECAUSE THIS CULTURAL PARK IS A LEGACY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE FOR ALL TO ENJOY.

SCOTT ROSS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CONNIE TATE.

SCOTT ROSS.

GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

CONNIE TATE.

IS THAT YOU? CONNIE? THAT'S ME.

OKAY, COME ON OUT.

AND THEN HARRY, IS HARRY STILL WITH YOU? YES.

I BELIEVE THEY WANT TO DO THE VERY BEST FOR OUR WORKFORCE IN A HUMANE AND AFFORDABLE WAY.

HE'S OKAY.

SO HE'LL BE NEXT AFTER YOU.

HE MUST KNOW HIM.

UH, GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

UM, START WITH YOUR NAME.

WE'VE HEARD SO MANY COMMON, YOU, YOU HAVE TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND SAY, OH, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT THAT.

CONNIE TATE AND I LIVE AT 50 RIM STONE CIRCLE.

UH, SO I'M VERY NEAR THE CULTURAL PARK AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AT THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY.

AND THE OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING CHANGE DOES NOT EQUATE TO IGNORING THE HOMELESSNESS.

I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A SEDONA TREASURE IN WEST SEDONA.

THE CULTURAL PARK HAS ITS ICONIC AMPHITHEATER.

WE, YOU, YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM THE, THE OF PEOPLE WHO SAY IT MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN ME, BUT TO LOSE THAT.

UM, AND AS WE'VE SAID, WHEN THAT ZONING CHANGE IS MADE, IT'S HARD TO GO BACK THE COMMUNITY OF SEDONA.

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THEY DON'T WANT IT AT THE CULTURAL PARK.

SO I MISSED HERE THIS EVENING TO URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THE ZONING CHANGE, SAVE THE CULTURAL PARK, AND FIND AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO WE STILL HAVE ALMOST, UH, 18 CARDS.

IF YOU HAVE HEARD SOMEONE THAT'S ALREADY SAID THE SAME THING IN ORDER TO, UH, EXPEDITE THIS MOVING FORWARD, IF YOU WOULD MAKE YOUR COMMENTS QUICK AND THEN RELINQUISH.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, I'M JUST ASKING.

IT'S ALREADY GETTING LATE.

AND IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND, IT IS PAST MY BEDTIME.

THERE YOU GO.

BUT MY NAME IS M**K TATE AND I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA.

HARRY TATE.

ACTUALLY, REAL NAME.

UH, I AM OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AT THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE IN ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, BUT REZONING THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY IS NOT THE ANSWER.

COMMON SENSE TELLS ME THE BEST LOCATION FOR A SAFE PLACE TO PARK IS THE DILLS.

BUT IN THE YEARS I SPENT ON THIS PLANET, I HAVE FOUND THAT COMMON SENSE IS VERY UNCOMMON.

THE DES IS NOT NEAR ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, THEREFORE IT IS VERY UNLIKELY THERE WOULD BE ANY OPPOSITION.

I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT 90% OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS NEAR AND BORDERING THE PROPOSED SITE ARE AGAINST IT.

SO IF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ARE TRULY REPRESENTING THE SEDONA RESIDENTS WHO WILL BE MOST AFFECTED BY THIS DECISION, THEY WILL VOTE NO.

I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO SUPPORT IT PROBABLY LIVE A BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SITE.

DOES THE SAYING OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND, RING A BELL? I DO BELIEVE IF THE SITE WAS BEING BILLED OVER IN THE CHAPEL AREA, THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS COMING FROM THE POWERS THAT BE.

I HAVE READ IN PRINT AND I HEARD PEOPLE SAY WE NEED TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

IT PROBABLY IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT NOT AT THIS LOCATION.

OBVIOUSLY.

OBVIOUSLY THERE MUST BE AT LEAST 40 TRULY COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THIS WAY.

I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SPEAK THIS EVENING AND THEY'RE VERY COMPASSIONATE ABOUT IT.

THOSE 40 COULD SOLVE THIS PROBLEM WITHOUT HAVING TO BUILD 40 PARKING SPACES AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CULTURAL PARK.

THEY COULD INVITE THESE PEOPLE INTO THEIR HOMES.

A TRULY COMPASSIONATE PERSON WOULD DO THIS.

THESE COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE ARE VERY SPECIAL AND THAT IS WHY THERE ARE SO FEW OF THEM.

THEY'RE RARE.

A PERSON THAT WANTS OTHERS TO THINK THEY'RE COMPASSIONATE TALKS ABOUT IT TO BOOST THEIR OWN EGO.

FINALLY, IF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL VOTE TO APPROVE THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AT THE CULTURAL PARK, I WOULD SUGGEST THEY FIND A NEW HOBBY.

THIS ONE ISN'T WORKING OUT FOR THEM OR FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA, THE GOOD PEOPLE OF SEDONA.

THE CULTURAL PARK WITH ITS ICONIC AMPHITHEATER IS A SEDONA TREASURE THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED AND RENOVATED.

UH, MELANIE PARRISH.

PAR PARISH.

IS THAT YOU MELANIE? YEAH.

I DON'T WANT, I REALLY DON'T.

VERY CORNELL.

I DON'T WANNA ADDRESS SOMEONE'S NAME.

COR VERI COMET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT JUST ME THEN.

DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MUCH OF A RESPONSE.

UM, I CAN SAY THE SAME FOR PLACES LIKE VAIL, BEAVER CREEK, KEYSTONE, BASICALLY ANY OF THE SKI TOWNS, OF COURSE, I THINK WHETHER BEING THE, THE ISSUE.

SO MELANIE, YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MELANIE PAR, MELANIE PARISH, UH, SEDONA.

UM, I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT THREE YEARS AND I WAS LIVING IN BRECKENRIDGE, COLORADO FOR 32 YEARS BEFORE HERE.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH BRECKENRIDGE, IT'S EMULATES SEDONA.

IN TERMS OF THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS. UM, IT'S A SMALL TOURIST TOWN.

THERE'S ABOUT 5,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE YEAR ROUND AND COME A BUSY DAY, WE'LL HAVE CLOSE TO 40,000 PEOPLE IN OUR TOWN.

THAT IS ONE MILE LONG.

UM, THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF WORKFORCE.

SO, UM, WITH THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE BEING $1.9 MILLION, THE PERSON WORKING AT THE, UH, LIQUOR STORE OR THE WHOLE FOODS OR WHEREVER, IT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE.

SO OUR TOWN, THE TOWN COUNCIL THERE IN BRECKENRIDGE IS FORCED WITH THE SAME CHALLENGES.

UM, THEY ADDRESS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING REGULARLY AT THEIR MEETINGS AND HAVE COME UP WITH A NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS.

UM, SOME HAVE WORKED, SOME HAVE NOT.

BUT, UM, I DO KNOW THAT A CAR PARK WAS NEVER ONE OF THOSE ON THE TABLE FOR CONSIDERATION.

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BUT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM HEAD ON WITHOUT LOOKING AT A PARKING AS A RESOURCE FOR THE WORKFORCE.

OH, AND ON THAT, ON THE, FOR THE CULTURAL PARK THERE, THERE IN VAIL, THERE'S THE GERALD FORD, OUR GERALD FORD, UM, AMPHITHEATER.

AND THAT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL.

AND IT'S A SMALLER SIZE, LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE HERE IN SEDONA.

THE TOWN OF DILLON ALSO HAS REVAMPED THEIR, UM, THEIR, UH, AMPHITHEATER AND HAS 35 PAGE SHOWS, 15 FREE, THEY DO MOVIES AND YOGA AND HAS BROUGHT SOME LIFE INTO A SMALLER TOWN THERE IN COLORADO THAT'S ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF BRECKENRIDGE AND KEYSTONE.

AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, IN BRECKENRIDGE ITSELF.

WE HAVE THE RIVERWALK CENTER.

SO I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF EXAMPLES AND RESOURCES TO REACH OUT TO, TO MAKE THAT A, IN A, UM, WONDERFUL NEW VENUE.

RE REINVIGORATE THAT AREA.

WE STILL HAVEN'T FOUND, UH, RIE.

KERI, UH, COR.

UH, JOSEPH JANIK, J-A-N-I-K, DOCTOR MD.

REVEREND ANTHONY JOHNSON.

DR.

UH, I'M SORRY.

ARE YOU STILL HERE? NO.

YES HE IS.

HERE HE COMES, WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, I DON'T KNOW THERE, SOMEONE DIDN'T PUT THEIR NAME DOWN.

THEY LIVE IN MONTREAL ROAD.

OH, MIKE, UH, WHAT? TERRY.

OH, TER.

IS THAT TO NAME TERRY? YEAH, TERRY.

THIS, THAT'S AN EMAIL ADDRESS.

COURSE WHOEVER HAS IT.

THE EMAIL ADDRESS OF TERRY.

SOMETHING AT A OL WHO HAS STILL HAS A OL .

IT, THIS MAY WALK.

UH, REVEREND ANTHONY JOHNSON, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

UH, REVEREND ANTHONY JOHNSON.

I RESIDE IN COVILLE.

I WORK HERE IN SEDONA.

I'M THE MINISTER OF THE SEDONA UNITARIAN UNIVERSITY FELLOWSHIP.

UM, A SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

I JUST WANTED, FIRST LET ME THANK ALL OF YOU.

IT'S BEEN VERY INSIGHTFUL TO HEAR THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

AND I WOULD SAY IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, A CITY OF SEDONA IS IN GOOD HANDS.

BUT A SAFE PLACE TO PARK FOR ME IS IF YOU ALLOW ME BEYOND THE DETAILS.

THE DETAILS.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DETAILS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE.

THESE PEOPLE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR NEIGHBORS.

THIS FOR ME, IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISPLAY WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY.

WE'RE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS OUR DARE I SAY WHAT? MY FRIENDS FROM THE, UH, THAT AWARD, THAT PROCLAMATION YOU GAVE TODAY.

HUMANITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW OUR HOSPITALITY THIS OPPORTUNITY HELPS BOTH WORKING PEOPLE AND BUSINESS PEOPLE BOTH.

SO BASICALLY MY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING IS NIGHT PARKING ONLY.

SO THE WORD THAT'S COMING UP IS STOP GAP FOR RIGHT NOW.

AND I WOULD REMIND US ALL NOW IS ALL WE HAVE.

THANK YOU, REVEREND.

WE DON'T HAVE A ANYBODY THAT'S OWNING UP TO OWNING AN A OL ACCOUNT.

SO THAT TERRY HI GUESS.

I GAVE MINE UP 20 YEARS AGO, BUT I STILL HAVE IT.

DO YOU REALLY? OKAY, NEVERMIND.

MARK 10 BROOKE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TIM JESSOP.

HI, UH, MY NAME'S MARK 10 BROOKE.

I'M HERE TO SUPPORT SAFE PLACE TO PARK YOU LIVE.

UH, SINCE WE REMAIN A COMMUNITY, IT DEPENDS ON THE TOURIST ECONOMY.

JOBS ARE TYPICALLY VERY LOW WAGE, GIVEN THE HIGH COST OF REAL ESTATE, AS POINTED OUT EARLIER, THIS MAKES IT A VERY DIFFICULT PLACE TO FIND HOUSING FOR THOSE THAT WORK HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RELATIVELY LOW WAGES THAT ARE PAID.

COMPLICATING THE MATTER IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

THIS HAS REDUCED THE OPTIONS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE TO LIVE OUT OF VEHICLE.

SO THERE THE REASONS FOR, UH, PURSUING THIS, IT FILLS THE NEED.

THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE OPTIONS.

SECONDLY, THE, UH, RULES ARE WELL

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THOUGHT OUT.

READING TO THE RULES, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, WE HAVE A GOOD SOLUTION TO PROVIDE BASIC SAFETY, HYGIENE AND SLEEPING.

AND THIRDLY, THIS SOLUTION IS TEMPORARY UNTIL ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE HOUSING IS PROVIDED, UH, DEVELOPED.

UH, THIS USE REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THE FUTURE USE OF CULTURAL PARK FOR ANY OF THESE ADDITIONAL USES.

SO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL FOR TEMPORARY USE AND ENSURE THAT THE DIGNITY OF THAT USE IN THIS SPACE IS MAINTAINED.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MANY COUNTERARGUMENTS TO THIS PROPOSAL SEEM TO BE BASED ON FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN.

I BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED SOLUTION WILL BE DEVELOPED IN A WAY THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THOSE ISSUES.

PLEASE PROVIDE THIS HUMANE AND THOUGHTFUL PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU, MARK.

TIM JESSOP WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, HOLD ON.

UH, STEVE NER.

STEVE, YOU STILL HERE? YES.

HOW YOU DOING? OKAY, GOOD.

COME ON UP, STEVE, BEFORE YOU.

HOW'S THE LOUD SPEAKER OUT THERE? GOOD.

UH, TIM, YOU'RE GOOD TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THE COUNCIL.

UH, I AM TIM JESSUP.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR 24 YEARS IN SEDONA.

UH, I WORK FOR THE BAND CHICAGO, WHICH HAS QUITE A PRESENCE HERE IN SEDONA.

UH, WE'VE HAD FOUR STUDIOS THAT I'VE BUILT HERE OVER MANY YEARS.

I'VE WORKED FOR THEM.

UH, LEE LOCK, NAMED ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS LIVES HERE AS WELL.

OUR CURRENT STUDIO IS ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM THIS PROPOSED SITE.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT REALLY THE PROBLEM HERE, THE DILEMMA IS ECONOMIC.

IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE, OUR HANDS TIED IN TERMS OF, OF SHORT TERM HOUSING, THIS PROBLEM WOULD BE A LOT SMALLER THAN IT IS.

BUT I THINK TO UPEND THE CULTURAL PARK AND TURN IT INTO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS REALLY TO KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE AND, AND EAT IT.

UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE REALITY CHECK, IF WHEN THE CITY BOUGHT THAT PARCEL OF LAND FOR $23 MILLION AND IMMEDIATELY WENT TO WORK ON RE RESTORING IT, RENOVATING IT, UH, THIS SUMMER, WE COULD HAVE HAD CHICAGO ALONG WITH EARTH, WIND AND FIRE PERFORMING TOGETHER RIGHT HERE ON THIS STAGE.

AND THAT WON'T HAPPEN.

NOW, HOWEVER, WE ARE AFFILIATED WITH CAA, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LARGEST BOOKING AGENCIES IN THE WORLD.

AND IF WE ACTUALLY HAD A, UH, UH, VENUE THAT WAS ACTUALLY FUNCTIONAL HERE, WE COULD HAVE THROUGH CAAA NONSTOP FLOW OF MAJOR ARTISTS COMING THROUGH HERE.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT KIND OF REVENUE THAT WE COULD BRING VIA THE CULTURAL PARK, IF IT'S A FUNCTIONING VENUE, WOULD BRING TREMENDOUS RESOURCES FINANCIALLY FOR ALL OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND, UH, ENABLING HIGHER PAY, PAY SCALES, PAY RATES FOR THE LOCALS.

AND, UH, IT REALLY SEEMS THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY ATTACK THIS PROBLEM, IS FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, SINCE THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT SHORT TERM HOUSING.

SO, WITH THAT, UH, I HOPE THAT, UH, THIS WILL BE VOTED DOWN.

THANK YOU, TIM.

STEVE SEGMENT WILL BE, UH, UH, FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE.

CATHERINE.

TODD.

CATHERINE, ARE YOU STILL HERE? MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.

STEVE EGNER A RESIDENT, 25 YEARS LOCAL BUSINESSMAN.

I SENT YOU MY COMMENTS TONIGHT AND I THINK YOU'VE ALL READ 'EM.

I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE, THE HIJACKING OF TONIGHT.

I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING, AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS NOT ABOUT HOMELESSNESS HELPING PEOPLE.

UM, MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID, LIFE'S MOST PERSISTENT AND URGENT QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR OTHERS? WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT HOW IT AFFECTS.

CAN WE NOT INTERRUPT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, PLEASE? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTS US.

COME TONIGHT AND TALK ABOUT THIS.

IT SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT US.

IT'S WHAT CAN WE DO FOR OTHER PEOPLE? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WOMAN THAT LEAVES HER HOME AT NIGHT BECAUSE HER HUSBAND'S BEATING HER? WHERE DOES SHE GO? THAT'S SAFE.

WHERE DOES SOMEBODY COME HERE THAT'S GONNA GET A JOB IN TWO WEEKS AND NEEDS A PLACE TO STAY? THIS WAS A START.

WE WERE SUPPOSED TO

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WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION 14 MONTHS AGO.

WHERE WERE YOU? 14 MONTHS AGO? THIS WASN'T HIJACKED AND FORCED ON ANYBODY.

WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IT.

I HAVE BEEN ON A TEAM THAT'S WORKED ON THIS MONTH AFTER MONTH AFTER MONTH, TRYING TO PUT A START TO SOMETHING LITTLE THAT'LL GROW INTO SOMETHING BIG.

OKAY? OUR JOB IS TO START SOMETHING.

WE CAN'T BUILD HOTELS IN THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.

WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT IS, OH, I WANT TO REVIVE MY FAILED EVENT CENTER.

THAT'S FINE.

THIS, THIS GROUP CAN LOOK AT THAT AT A LATER DATE.

BUT TONIGHT, SPECIFICALLY, LET'S TALK ABOUT TAKING A BABY STEP TO TRY TO HELP SOME PEOPLE.

OKAY? LET'S DON'T BE SO SELF-CENTERED.

I'M JUST GONNA ASK ONE MORE TIME.

PLEASE DON'T, NOBODY'S BOTHERED ANYBODY.

YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN FABULOUS TONIGHT.

IT'S GETTING LATE.

SO TRY TO CONTINUE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.

DON'T INTERRUPT PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT FAIR, IT'S NOT NICE, AND IT'S JUST BULLYING.

I DIDN'T INTERRUPT THEM.

I DID, I DIDN'T SAY WHO IT IS.

I YOU WANNA DRAW ATTENTION TO YOURSELF? THAT'S UP TO YOU.

I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, YOU DON'T NEED TO CALL OUT, BE POLITE THE WAY YOU WOULD EXPECT TO BE TREATED.

THAT'S ALL.

JODY JACKSON BY LISA DOLL.

LISA, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OH, OKAY.

THEY'RE FIGHTING BACK AND FORTH.

IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, IF YOU'RE GONNA BEAK OR GO UP, IT'S, IT'S DISTRACTING TO OTHER PEOPLE.

I'M SITTING, YOU SAID BE QUIET.

SO I I WAS QUIET AND THEN I GOT CALLED AN A*****E OVER HERE, SO, WELL, THAT'S, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S RIGHT EITHER.

SO NOBODY SHOULD BE DOING THAT.

OKAY, FINE.

BUT OTHERWISE, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A DISPUTE, TAKE IT OUTSIDE, REALLY.

LET'S ON WITH THE EVENING.

WHAT'S THAT? THEN LET'S GET ON WITH THE EVENING.

THANK YOU, SIR.

JODY JACKSON.

LISA DO HAS LEFT.

THAT'S DISAPPOINTING.

I KNOW YOU'RE HERE, BUT YOU'RE GOING NEXT.

UH, JODY, UH, JACKSON IS, IS SHE STILL HERE? OKAY.

MARK, YOU'RE UP.

START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

MARK JACOBSON.

RE SEDONA RESIDENT FOR 32 YEARS.

YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, THE, FROM MY, FROM WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE IN, SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IN TWO YEARS.

I'M ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER.

I OWN TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY IN TOWN.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST THING COMES TO MIND IS REALLY INCREDIBLE WHERE OUR MINDS GO WHEN FEARMONGERING IS EVER PRESENT IN THE BEHAVIORS WE EXHIBIT.

IT'S TRULY, TRULY DESPICABLE.

UM, I SUPPORT THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT, I WASN'T SO SURE, BUT, UM, I TALKED TO STAFF, I DID SOME RESEARCH, AND THE MORE I LOOKED INTO IT, THE MORE RESEARCH I DID, DID THE MORE IT MADE SENSE.

YOU KNOW? IS IT IDEAL? NO, IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT NEITHER IS, YOU KNOW, BEING HOMELESS, NEITHER IS LOSING YOUR HOME AND HA BEING FORCED TO LIVE IN YOUR CAR.

UM, AS AN EMPLOYER, I'VE, I'VE, WELL, TWO MONTHS AGO I LOST AN EMPLOYEE.

UM, HE LOST HIS HOUSE, COULDN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, AND SO HE PACKED UP AND MOVED AWAY.

AS FAR AS HOMELESS PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW QUITE A FEW OF THEM.

UH, I HAVE, I'M FRIENDS WITH SEVERAL OF THEM, AND IN MY BUSINESS, I'VE HIRED A FEW OF THEM ON OCCASION.

UM, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S USUALLY ON A PART-TIME BASIS, UH, AS NEEDED.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO HELP THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE, HELP PEOPLE WHERE, WHERE THEY NEED HELP.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AS, AS SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN THESE KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCES, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SHOW SOME COMPASSION AND HUMILITY FOR OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS.

UM, IT IS A TEMPORARY MEASURE.

IT IS A, A, UH, STOCK GAP.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, IT'S A, IT'S GOT A TWO YEAR, TWO YEAR PLAN.

IT'S A TWO YEAR PLAN.

BOTTOM LINE.

THEY GOT FUNDING FOR TWO YEARS.

AND, AND,

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SO THAT HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM WOULD BE MEASURED BY THE ATTENDANCE OR THE PARTICIPATION AND HOW THEY TRANSITION INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.

I'M ALL ABOUT HOUSING SOLUTIONS TO RESTORE OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU, MARK.

OKAY, BACK TO THE GLASSES.

UH, SOME, UH, JO, JO, JOANNA WILLIAMS. JOANNA, UH, THAT'S MIAH.

JE, JEREMIAH, OR JEREMIAH.

I'M SORRY TO BUTCHER YOUR NAME, BUT AT LEAST I GOT YOUR LAST NAME RIGHT.

IT'S ALL RIGHT.

I GO BY JAY CAMERON WILD.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE UP NEXT.

UH, JAY WILLIAMS, SEDONA RESIDENT.

UH, TO START OFF, I WANNA QUICKLY ADDRESS A FEW THINGS.

I'M AN AREA DIRECTOR FOR A LOCAL COMPANY.

I'VE BEEN IN MANAGEMENT IN SEDONA FOR OVER A DECADE.

I WAS ONE OF THE EMPLOYERS PRESENT FOR THE INITIAL EMPLOYER FEEDBACK MEETING.

I WANNA CLARIFY THAT THERE WAS ABOUT TWO EMPLOYERS WHO HAD ISSUES WITH, UH, POTENTIALLY TRANSIENT EMPLOYEES.

MOST OF US WERE OKAY WITH IT AND IN FAVOR OF THIS.

AND ALSO, ALL OF MY EMPLOYEES MAKE OVER $20 AN HOUR, INCLUDING THE STARTING ONES.

UH, MANY OF THESE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO NOT BE SEASONAL, BUT IS SIMPLY NOT FEASIBLE GIVEN THE CONDITIONS.

LIKEWISE, COTTONWOOD IS NOT AFFORDABLE.

COTTONWOOD COSTS MORE NOW THAN SEDONA DID WHEN IT BE, WHEN THE COST OF LIVING BECAME UNSUSTAINABLE.

AND AS A RESIDENT FOR OVER 25 YEARS AND A HOMEOWNER FOR OVER A DECADE, MY TAXES HAVE GONE TOWARDS THE CULTURAL PARK A LOT MORE THAN PLENTY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT.

SO, WITH THAT SAID, I WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS PATHETIC, AND ALL I HEAR ARE JUSTIFICATIONS FROM THOSE WHO WANT TO DENY PEACE AND SAFETY TO THEIR PEERS.

SITTING HERE TONIGHT, I'VE HEARD THOSE AGAINST THIS, REFER TO POTENTIAL PARTICIPANTS AS ANIMALS, VAGRANTS AND DRUG DEALERS, AND THE PARKING AREA AS A ZOO, ALL WHILE PROUDLY TRUMPETING THEIR IGNORANCE ABOUT THE STRUGGLE THESE PEOPLE FACE.

PREJUDICE IS AN UGLY WORD, AND PREJUDICE IS THE RIGHT WORD TO USE HERE.

PREJUDICE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER HAD TO WOR PREJUDICE FROM THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING AS FUNDAMENTAL AS WHERE THEY WILL SLEEP AT NIGHT, TO WHOM THE CONCERN OF IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE WOKEN UP BY THE POLICE AND FORCED TO MOVE OR ARRESTED WHILE TRYING TO REST PEACEFULLY, CANNOT EVEN BE IMAGINED.

THE UGLINESS AND CRUELTY SHOWN HERE TONIGHT BY THE COWARDLY AND VOCAL MINORITY, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE THE KINDNESS TO RECOGNIZE THEIR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, IS DESPICABLE AND IS IN A PRIME, AND IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE IGNORANCE OF THOSE WHO GET THEIR ALTERNATE FACTS FROM BAD SOURCES.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ENCOURAGING HOMELESSNESS.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT REWARDING THE DRUG ADDICTS.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ASSISTING MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ARE POSITIVELY AFFECTING IT.

THIS IS NOT THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THE KEYSTONE HERE, AND I'M SURE THAT MANY OF THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THAT WHEN IT CAME AROUND.

WELL, THIS IS JUST A STEPPING STONE.

AND TO ANYONE WHO WOULD USE THAT AS A JUSTIFICATION FOR NOT DOING THIS, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO HOME AND THROW AWAY YOUR FIRE EXTINGUISHER AND SMOKE ALARMS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO WHY WOULD YOU USE SUCH SMALL PETTY THINGS WHEN YOU CAN WAIT FOR THE FIRE TRUCK? I IMPLORE THE COUNCIL TO NOT LET THE SELFISH FEW SWAY US.

DO NOT LET THE FEAR OF THOSE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF, DEFINE OUR COMMUNITY.

I'M A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF SEDONA, AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE PLACE TO PARK.

UH, CAMERON.

UH, YOU'RE FOLLOWED BY.

I'M GOING TO JENNY HAYDEN HATTER.

WE, HE SPOKE ALREADY.

I, HE'S 66.

NO, NO.

I PUT THEM BEHIND.

OH, WHY'D YOU DO THAT? OH, .

'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T OH, OKAY.

WHEN I TOOK A BREAK.

CAMERON, YOU'RE UP.

ALRIGHT, NOW I UNDERSTAND.

PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM.

UH, MY NAME IS CAMERON WILD.

I LIVE IN SEDONA.

UM, I AM OPEN TO THIS IDEA OF HAVING THIS SAFE PLACE TO PARK AT CULTURAL PARK.

UM, I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A TEMPORARY SOLUTION TO A MUCH LARGER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE HERE IN SEDONA AND NATIONWIDE.

FRANKLY, UM, HOUSING COSTS HAVE RISEN EXPONENTIALLY NATIONWIDE, AND THAT'S MAGNIFIED HERE IN SEDONA, WHERE IT'S A RESORT TOWN WITH VERY LIMITED LAND.

AND OUR MEDIAN HOME SALE PRICE IS NOW OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.

UM, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT VACATION RENTALS AND HOW IF WE JUST HAD SOME VACATION RENTAL POLICY, MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A PLACE TO SLEEP.

BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE NUMBERS JUST WILL NOT WORK WHEN WE HAVE HOUSES THAT ARE WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS ON AVERAGE.

UM, I, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE, LISTEN, LISTENING TO WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID TONIGHT, I THINK THERE ARE A FEW CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND, UM, I THINK MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HAVE AS WELL.

UM, ONE IS, I THINK MORE CLEARLY DEFINING HOW, UH,

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THE, UM, THE NEXUS TO SEDONA, TO ME SEEMED A LITTLE BIT AMBIGUOUS.

UM, IN MY OPINION, IF, IF WE'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO WORK IN SEDONA, WE SHOULD HAVE MINIMUM WORK REQUIREMENTS.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE THE SIDE EFFECT OF, UM, SCREENING PEOPLE SO THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, I GUESS A HIGHER CALIBER OF PERSON THAT IS LOOKING TO STAY HERE.

SOMEBODY THAT IS REALLY MAKING AN EFFORT TO GET ON THEIR FEET.

THEY'RE INVOLVED IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.

THESE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT WE WANT TO EMBRACE AND, AND KEEP WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST SAYING THAT YOU HAVE A KID IN SCHOOL, UM, IN SEDONA WITHOUT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WORKING IN SEDONA, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY LOOSE REQUIREMENT.

UM, I ALSO WOULD, I, I DIDN'T HEAR IF THERE WAS ANY SORT OF TERM LIMIT ON, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM FOR THE FULL TWO YEARS OR IF THAT'S MAYBE THREE MONTHS.

AND THEN THEY NEED TO FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION SO THAT, UM, OTHER PEOPLE IN NEED CAN MOVE THROUGH.

UM, AND THEN JUST HEARING SOME OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY OTHERS AND COUNCIL PEOPLE, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE ADVANCED REGISTRATION.

OTHERWISE I WOULD SEE, YOU KNOW, DOZENS, MAYBE HUNDREDS OF CARS LINING UP AT, YOU KNOW, NOON EVERY DAY TRYING TO GET A PLACE TO PARK AT AT, UM, CULTURAL PARK.

AND SO I THINK IF THAT REGISTRATION WAS HANDLED OFFSITE, IT WOULD BE A MUCH CLEANER PROCESS.

AND PEOPLE THAT GET OFF WORK AT 11:00 PM WOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO THAT NIGHT.

AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE CONCERNS ABOUT WATER, UH, IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THAT HAD BEEN FULLY STUDIED.

AND, AND THE RESPONSE THAT, THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AS THIS, UH, PROGRAM UNFOLDS TO ME IS A LITTLE CONCERNING.

UM, YOU KNOW, WATER DOESN'T NECESSARILY PERCOLATE HERE IN SEDONA.

IT TENDS TO, UH, JUST FOLLOW THE LAND.

AND AS TRACY SPOKE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, AREAS THAT WE'VE SEEN WHERE THAT'S BECOME A MAJOR ISSUE.

THE CRESTY TRAIL THAT SHE MENTIONED, UM, BECAME FULL OF GREEN ALGAE AND IT STARTED TO STINK BECAUSE THERE IS UNCONTROLLED RUNOFF THERE.

SO I HATE TO SEE THE SAME THING IN A CULTURAL PARK.

THANK YOU, CAMERON.

I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THIS, BUT I'M DOWN TO MY FINAL CARD.

SO, AL ELLO, IF YOU'RE STILL HERE, HE'S COMING.

HE'S COMING.

IF ANYBODY HAS NOT SPOKEN AND WANNA FILL OUT A CARD, I WANT TO HEAR YOU.

THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ALL HEAR YOU.

SO NOW WOULD BE THE TIME OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE TONIGHT.

CAN I SPEAK AGAIN? NO, THANK YOU.

I KNOW YOU WOULD.

MARK.

AL CARMELO, SAY YOUR NAME, WHICH WE KNOW.

AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

AL AL CAMELO.

SEDONA CITY RESIDENT SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST.

A NEW WAY OF LOOKING AT THIS.

THE OTHER NIGHT I SAW A MOVIE CALLED CABRINI AT HARKINS.

IT'S ABOUT A NUN WHO WAS EVENTUALLY CAN CANONIZED AS A SAINT WHO CAME FROM ITALY IN THE 1880S TO NEW YORK CITY TO START AN ORPHANAGE FOR HOMELESS CHILDREN FOR POOR ITALIAN IMMIGRANTS WHO LIVED IN SLUMS. THEY WERE LOCKED DOWN.

THEY WERE LOOKED DOWN UPON EVEN LESS THAN DOGS.

EVEN THE IRISH LOOKED DOWN UPON THEM, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY, UH, SO TREATED GENERATIONS BEFORE.

EVEN THE CHURCH WAS UNWILLING TO HELP CABRINA AND HER FELLOW NUNS SUCCEED IN HELPING THE POOR.

IT IS REALLY A STRONG STATEMENT ABOUT HOW WE IN AMERICA SO EASILY PUSH ASIDE IMMIGRANTS AND OTHER HAVE NOTS AS EVIL.

WHETHER THEY BE JEWISH, IRISH, BLACKS, POLLS, MEXICANS, NATIVE AMERICANS, ITALIANS, CHINESE, THE POOR, OR THE HOMELESS.

WE HAVE BEEN GOOD AT MINIMIZING AND PUSHING POOR PEOPLE AWAY AS IF THEY WILL GO AWAY.

IS A, I SEE A SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

WE SHOULD STAND UP JUST AS MOTHER CABRINI DID, TO MAKE THE PEOPLE OF NEW YORK CITY ASHAMED OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING, TREATING ITALIANS LIKE DOGS AND WANT THEM TO GO AWAY BECAUSE THEY WERE UNDESIRABLE.

A SAFE PLACE TO PARK IS AN IDEA WORTH PURSUING.

A SMALL WAY OF CHIPPING AWAY AT A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM.

MAYBE IT WON'T WORK, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE, IS IT? IT'S THAT THE CITY THROUGH ITS LEADERSHIP IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING.

IT'S WORTH TAKING A CHANCE.

THANK YOU AL.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

AND PUBLIC HEARING.

PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL GET HIM, I'LL GET IT RIGHT TONIGHT.

UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, A 15 MINUTE BREAK.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY.

I HOPE YOU WILL STAY 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT DONE YET.

AND WE'RE IN IT FOR THE, FOR THE LONG HAUL.

SO, UH, WE'LL TAKE THAT BREAK.

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EMPLOYEE

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LUNCH.

I HAVE, I HAD MY LUNCH AT LIKE, KIDDING.

I'LL, I GOTTA SAY TEST, TEST, TEST.

PUTTING TOGETHER EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

EVERY NOW AND THEN IT'S GONNA GET CALL TO RESUME THIS HORRIBLE FEELING.

MARK.

TAKE CARE.

OKAY, WE ALL HERE.

KAREN, CAN YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH KATHY? IS SHE STILL ON? NOT RIGHT NOW.

THERE WE AM HERE.

THERE'S KATHY.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK INTO SESSION AND KATHY, IN CASE WE MAY LOSE YOU, YOU WANNA SPEAK NOW? UH, YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR.

I, I'M SORRY WE JUST LEFT THE HOSPITAL AND I JUST DON'T HAVE SERVICE AND I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT LOSING SERVICE ON THE RIDE DOWN FOR COMMENTS.

SO IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I, I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY SOMETHING BRIEF AND I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MY BOOK GETS RECORDED LATER.

YES, PLEASE.

BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE DON'T LOSE SERVICE TO THAT POINT.

UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF COMPELLING TESTIMONY TONIGHT.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE VERY HEARTFELT ON THESE ISSUES BECAUSE THEY CARE.

I APPLAUD THEM FOR CARING.

I THANK THEM.

I ALSO THINK THEY WANT US CITY GOVERNMENT TO CARE.

AND ONE OF THAT WE CAN DO THAT IS BY TRYING PROGRAMS TO SEE WHAT CAN WORK AND WHAT MAY NOT WORK.

I WAS, I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.

THERE ARE MANY RESERVATIONS WE OFTEN GO INTO WITH, UH, MANY PROGRAMS WE GO INTO WITH RESERVATIONS.

I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IF THIS PROGRAM ISN'T WORKING, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO STOP THE PROGRAM.

AND THAT WAS DESCRIBED EARLY ON ABOUT NOT ACCEPTING OTHER PEOPLE IN.

IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM.

WE HAVE TOOLS AT OUR FINGERTIPS TO DO THIS.

UH, I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT PUTS PEOPLE IN TOUCH WITH SERVICES, WHICH IS VITAL.

UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD IS, SO THE 41ST PERSON CALLS AND SAYS, I NEED THE A PLACE TO STAY TONIGHT.

AND I'M GOING, I WANT TO TRY TO GET IN, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT LOO THE NUMBERS SO THAT THINGS DON'T GET OUT OF CONTROL OF ANY EXCEPTIONS.

I WANNA MAKE SURE ANY EXCEPTIONS AT ANY TIME WOULDN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT POLICY BEING REVIEWED.

AND THAT COMING BACK TO COUNCIL AND OUR ABILITY TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT FOR ANY CHANGES.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD TOO.

UM, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM SENDING PEOPLE TO SLEEP IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE FOREST, WHICH HAS PARKING? IT IS DIFFERENT.

THAT IS CAMPING.

PEOPLE LEAVE THEIR BELONGINGS THERE.

PEOPLE ARE ARE COMING AND GOING THERE IN A MORE, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, THIS IS PARKING.

WE DO NOT, CITY OF SEDONA DOES NOT ALLOW PARKING OVERNIGHT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

THIS IS A PLACE THAT ONE CAN DO THAT SAFELY.

IT'S HAPPENING.

WE KNOW THAT IT'S HAPPENING.

UM, WE CAN'T TURN A BLIND EYE TO THAT.

I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE SOME PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN PARK.

I THINK THAT THE LOCATION IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THIS TO BE A TEST PROGRAM.

WE KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE A LIMIT ON IT FOR TWO YEARS.

THIS COULD RUN ANYWHERE LESS THAN THAT.

UH, I THINK THAT IT'S A USE WHILE WE ARE DOING THE PARK PLANNING FOR THE PARK, WHICH WILL BE A FULL COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS.

AGAIN, I RESERVATIONS WE ALL DO WHEN WE GO INTO SOMETHING NEW, WE ALL DO WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THIS MEANINGFUL TO PEOPLE.

'CAUSE IT TOUCHES PEOPLE IN MANY ASPECTS OF THEIR LIVES.

I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY THINGS.

UH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROGRAM AND I, I I HOPE THAT WE, WHEN WE GET TO A FINAL VOTE THAT I'M STILL ON AND CAN GIVE THAT THUMBS UP.

SO I, KATHY, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK IN CASE, UM, YOU DO LOSE, UM, SIGNAL.

I WANTED TO HEAR FROM KATHY TO HAVE HER SAY WHAT SHE COULD, WHILE SHE CAN HOPEFULLY SHE CAN COME BACK.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO NOW IS, OH, SHANNON RESPONSE.

OH NO, NO.

I, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS IS

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AND WE DO WANT RESPONSES TO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS AND THEN WE CAN ASK, UH, WE CAN JUST GIVE OUR, UH, COMMENTS AS, AS WELL AFTERWARDS.

SO SHANNON, YOU HAVE A LOT TO SAY.

I HAVE A LOT TO SAY AS WELL.

SO I THINK WE ALL DO.

SHANNON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK.

UM, THE FIRST THING I WOULD SAY IS THIS IS NOT AN EITHER OR REGARD REGARDING THE CULTURAL PARK, UM, OR REGARDING BUILDING HOUSING.

THIS IS AN A AND TO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

UM, NO, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A MUSIC VENUE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS IS GOING TO DETERMINE THE FUTURE USES OF THE CULTURAL PARK WILL BE.

UM, THIS IS SHANNON.

WHO IS THIS? IT'S SHANNON.

IT'S SHANNON.

YOU SHANNON.

GIVING HER HER RESPONSES TO ALL THE QUESTIONS BEFORE.

UM, AS I SAID, UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A MUSIC VENUE.

I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS AND WHAT COMES UP FOR THE CULTURAL PARK END USE.

REGARDLESS OF THE END USE THOUGH, EVEN IF IT'S TO SAVE THE AMPHITHEATER, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN WITHIN TWO YEARS.

THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE THERE.

UM, REGARDING THE DELLS, UM, I EXPLAINED TO ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT I TALKED TO THAT THE DELLS IS, YES, IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT IT'S IN THE COUNTY.

SO THE ZONING PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET THE ZONING CHANGED THERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY TO DO THAT.

WE DON'T GET TO COME TO OUR COUNCIL AND MAKE THAT DECISION HERE.

UM, I'M GONNA ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE KEEP YOUR TALKING QUIETER.

WE CAN BECAUSE I CAN HEAR IT UP HERE.

IF YOU WANNA TAKE IT INTO THE LOBBY, YOU ARE FREE TO DO THAT AND COME BACK.

BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT US.

WE TRY NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU.

IN GENERAL, THE REFERENCES THAT WERE MADE TO OTHER CITIES, UM, OBVIOUSLY SEDONA WILL NEVER BE SAN FRANCISCO, PORTLAND OR LA OR EVEN PHOENIX, UM, OR JUST NOT A CITY OF THAT SIZE.

AND MOST OF THE PROGRAMS IN THOSE CITIES WERE NOT RESTRICTED TO A LOCAL WORKFORCE.

UM, SAN LUIS OBISPO WAS MENTIONED AGAIN TONIGHT, EVEN THOUGH WE DISCUSSED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROGRAM.

UM, AND AS FAR AS BRECKENRIDGE GOES, I, I CAN'T FIND EXACTLY WHERE THE SITES ARE THERE, BUT THE STATE OF COLORADO HAS A STATEWIDE SAFE PARKING INITIATIVE THAT'S RUN BY A NONPROFIT.

HMM.

UM, THEY MOVE THE SITES REGULARLY.

IT'S VERY HARD TO TELL EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE ON THEIR WEBSITE, BUT IT DOES EXIST IN COLORADO.

UM, KIND OF THE, THE OTHER LINE OF ARGUMENT THAT WAS MADE, UM, REGARDING THE SLEEPING GIANT.

REMEMBER WHEN THE SLEEPING GIANT, UM, WAS OPPOSING ALL THE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING? SURE, THEY'RE AWAKE AGAIN NOW, BUT WE'RE GONNA NEED MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

UM, MAYBE IF WE HADN'T OPPOSED IT, THEN WE WOULD BE IN A BETTER POSITION NOW.

AND AS FAR AS THE LEGACY OF THIS COUNCIL, IN MY OPINION, THIS COUNCIL WILL BE THE FIRST TO BUILD AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS WHEN SHELBY GETS BUILT THE FIRST TRULY AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE.

UM, AND AFTER YEARS OF THE CITY'S ATTITUDE IN GENERAL, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT WAS THE COUNCILS, BUT AFTER YEARS OF REJECTING MULTIFAMILY PROPOSALS AND NOT BUILDING HOUSING, THIS COUNCIL TURNED THAT AROUND.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PROGRAMS COMPONENTS GO, SHE'S KATHY, YOUR MIC.

WE'RE GONNA BOOST IT.

KATHY, YOUR MIC IS ON.

UM, WE TALKED IN THE JANUARY MEETING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS POPULATION AND THE STREET HOMELESS.

SOMEONE MENTIONED, UM, THE FOLKS WHO WORK PAST 10, AND WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.

, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS DON'T SEEM TO RECOGNIZE THAT DIFFERENCE.

UM, THE ISSUE OF THE CAR RUNNING, WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT FOLKS CAN START THEIR CARS AT NIGHT TO GET WARM.

THEY JUST CAN'T STAY ASLEEP ALL NIGHT WHILE THEIR CAR IS RUNNING.

UM, THIS PROGRAM WILL NOT ADD TO THE NUMBER OF CIGARETTES SMOKED IN SEDONA.

THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DRIVE TO SEDONA FOR WORK EVERY DAY, OR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THEIR CARS.

UM, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ADVERTISED.

UM, I I DON'T SEE ANY REASON THAT IT WOULD DRAW PEOPLE FROM A, AROUND THE COUNTRY TO COME HERE BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE EMPLOYED HERE.

UM,

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UM, ONCE PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED, BECAUSE WE DO PLAN TO HAVE PRE-REGISTRATION EVENTS, WE'LL KNOW MORE ABOUT THEIR HOURS.

UM, WE CAN ESTABLISH THEN EXACTLY HOW THE CALL IN POLICY WORKS.

BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED HAVING A POLICY WHERE ANYONE WHO WORKS TOO LATE COULD CALL IN TO RESERVE A SPOT AT SOME TIME.

WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHAT THOSE HOURS ARE.

UM, WE MAY ALSO HAVE TO ASK PEOPLE TO PARK HERE ONLY ON WORK NIGHTS OR OTHERWISE LIMIT THE NUMBER OF NIGHTS PER WEEK OR PER MONTH SO THAT EVERYONE WHO REGISTERS FOR THE PROGRAM HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE SPACE WHEN THEY NEED TO.

SO THAT TERM OR TIME LIMIT IS ONE OF THOSE POSSIBLE ADAPTATIONS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE.

AND SOME OF THESE ADAPTATIONS WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE ONCE PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED.

OTHERS WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE WITHIN THE FIRST FEW DAYS, WEEKS, OR MONTHS OF THE PROGRAM.

BUT, UM, TO THE PERSON WHO SPOKE ABOUT REALIZING THAT THIS IS A NEW THING AND WE KNOW WE WILL NEED TO ADAPT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA MONITOR AND MEASURE IT CLOSELY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.

THANK YOU SHANNON.

UH, ANY OF THE OTHER STAFF? GINA, YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? I, NO.

YOU SURE? YEAH.

SHE'S SURE.

CARRIE, I THINK SHANNON COVERED IT ALL.

I THINK THE ONE THING, UM, THAT CAME UP THAT MAYBE IS MORE IN MY WHEELHOUSE IS THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BEING A PERMANENT ZONE CHANGE.

AND THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY KIND OF TIME LIMIT OR ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY.

MAINLY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT FOR CITY PROJECTS IN THE PAST.

UM, THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY.

IF THE CITY DECIDES TO NOT CONTINUE WITH THE PROGRAM, THE, THE COUNCIL WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION.

AND THE ZONING DOES NOT OBLIGATE YOU TO DO ANY PARTICULAR USE.

IT JUST ALLOWS IT.

AND IF FOR SOME REASON THE CITY DECIDED TO NOT BE THE PROPERTY OWNER ANYMORE, YOU COULD ALWAYS COME BACK WITH A ZONE CHANGE TO REMOVE THIS BEFORE YOU SOLD THE PROPERTY.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CITY'S INTENT.

UM, BUT THAT IS ALWAYS AN OPTION.

IF YOU WERE AFRAID THAT SOMEONE ELSE WOULD COME IN AND OPERATE A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, WE CAN, YOU CAN CHANGE IT BACK.

UM, AND SO THAT'S GENERALLY WHY WE DON'T, UM, RECOMMEND ANY KIND OF TIME LIMITATIONS ON CITY OWNED PROPERTIES WHEN IT'S A CITY INITIATED PROJECT.

ANY PARTICULAR, I JESSICA, YOU WANT TO, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE USEFUL.

UM, HOLLY MENTIONED FOUR ISSUES SPECIFICALLY, UM, TO, TO TO CHANGE OR TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO.

AND I JUST, AND I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM, FROM ALL OF US ABOUT HOW WE FEEL ABOUT NO SEASONAL WORKERS OR, OR LIFE CHOICE PEOPLE, NO CHILDREN PRE-REGISTRATION AND WHETHER OR NOT SMOKING WAS TO BE ALLOWED.

SO EITHER WE CAN DO IT SEPARATELY OR WE CAN DO IT IN OUR COMMENTS.

BUT I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPERATIONAL ISSUES WHICH, WHICH I THOUGHT WERE RAISED THAT I THOUGHT WERE VERY GOOD POINTS.

I THANK YOU MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO ADD TO COUNCILOR WILLIAMS' LIST THE DATA REPORTING CONVERSATION.

AND I ACTUALLY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHETHER MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT CARRIE JUST PUT ON THE TABLE ABOUT POTENTIALLY LIMITING SOMEHOW IN TIME.

THIS IS ZONING CHANGE.

PLEASE.

SO, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE US CONSIDER A MODIFICATION TO WHAT COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON JUST SAID.

IT'S NOT ABOUT NO CHILDREN, IT'S ABOUT NOT USING CHILDREN WHO ARE AT SCHOOL AS THE ONLY REQUIREMENT.

UM, NOT THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT IF THERE ARE FAMILIES WHO ARE WORKING HERE, THEY DON'T GET TO STAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE CHILDREN.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, CLARIFY THAT, THAT THAT MAKES WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

ICE MAYOR, YOU WANNA GO? NOT YET, NO, BECAUSE JESSICA GAVE MY MY COMMENT AND, AND ACTUALLY, AND IT, I ALSO WOULD ADD, IF PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN A SERVICE PLAN THAT LEADS TO HOUSING, THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED.

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WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE THE LIFESTYLE CHOICE.

SO IF, I MEAN I'LL, I CAN, I CAN GO FIRST.

I AGREE.

THERE SHOULD BE NO SEASONAL WORKERS AND NO LIFESTYLE PEOPLE.

UM, I AGREE.

IT SHOULD.

EVERY SOMEBODY HAS TO WORK.

WHETHER THEY HAVE KIDS OR THEY DON'T HAVE KIDS, SOMEBODY HAS TO WORK.

UM, I THINK RE I SUPPORT PRE-REGISTRATION.

I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT MAKES ANY SENSE AT ALL.

YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY ACTUALLY CHECK PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE WAITING TO GET IN.

AND WHILE I DON'T THINK IT'S IDEAL, I THINK IT HAS TO ALLOW SMOKING PEOPLE SMOKE.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THERE'S NO DRUGS.

THERE'S NO ALCOHOL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE, PEOPLE NEED LITTLE THINGS IN LIFE THAT MAKE THEM FEEL A LITTLE BETTER.

I THINK SMOKING, I THINK I WAS OUT THERE.

IT'S ALL DIRT.

THERE'S ALMOST NOTHING THERE.

THAT'S NOT DIRT.

SO I THINK THEY OUGHT TO BE ALLOWED TO SMOKE IN THEIR CAR, OUT OF THEIR CAR.

I WOULD LEAVE IT TO YOU IF YOU WANTED TO CREATE A SMOKING AREA.

THAT WOULD BE FINE.

MY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THEN PEOPLE TEND TO GATHER AROUND AND YAK THE, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THAT'S OPERATIONAL.

I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

BUT I THINK SMOKING SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

I DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT YOUR ISSUE ON DATA REPORTING IS, BUT I THINK WE GOTTA DO IT.

, IS THAT ENOUGH? ? AND, UM, I THINK THOSE WERE ALL THE POINTS THAT, THAT I HAD DOWN.

SO WHO'S KEEPING THE, WHO'S KEEPING THE LIST OF THE TOPICS? MAYOR, COULD I JUMP IN? SURE.

I AGREE WITH THE CAVEATS THAT CASTLE WILLIAMSON LAID OUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SMOKING.

I, I, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BEING A NON-SMOKING SITE, BUT I THINK BELOW THE OTHER PARAMETERS I COULD GET BEHIND.

ANYTHING ELSE WHILE WE HAVE YOU IN A CELL SERVICE? ? WELL THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW SWITCH BACK AND I'M GONNA LOSE IT, SO.

I APPRECIATE THE ACCOMMODATION.

JUST TURN YOUR, YOUR SPEAKER OFF PLEASE.

UH, DID YOU FINISH? DIDN'T EVEN START THEN.

WHY DON'T YOU START .

IF WE'RE TRYING TO OPINE ON SOME OF THESE TOPICS, THE SEASONAL WORKERS LIFESTYLE ISSUE, I STRUGGLE WITH QUITE FRANKLY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT AND IT DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME TO HELP PEOPLE WITH THE LIFESTYLE, BUT I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE DATA REPORTING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

AND WE CAN WATCH THAT AND SORT OF CHANGE THE INTENT OF THIS PROGRAM.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE OR NOT.

WE ARE GONNA BE WATCHING IT.

PRE-REGISTRATION.

I'M DEFINITELY SUPPORTIVE OF, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

UM, SMOKING, I, YOU KNOW, I COULD SUPPORT A NO SMOKING POSITION ON THIS THING, BUT I COULD ALSO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE SMOKING.

SO I, I, I'M NOT A SMOKER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ADDICTION IS LIKE.

UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SMALL PLEASURES.

ACTIVELY TRYING TO BECOME HOUSED.

UM, THE DATA, THE DATA THING FOR ME IS DO WE GO BEYOND QUARTERLY REPORTING IN A PDF FORMAT, WHICH I THINK WE NEED TO DO.

I I THINK WE NEED TO BE PROVIDING THE DATA ON THE WEBSITE OR WHATEVER IN AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET KIND OF FORM ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

PERHAPS.

I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUTTA HERE NOW FOR CONSIDERATION AND THAT MAYBE WE SOMEHOW SCHEDULE THIS COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT IT, TO HEAR THIS REPORT AND TALK ABOUT IT.

THIS IS A ITEM OF SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY INTEREST AND IT SHOULDN'T JUST KIND OF GO UNMONITORED.

I THINK EVEN A MONTHLY REPORT ON THE WEBSITE ISN'T ENOUGH FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS PROGRAM.

THIS IS A BRAND NEW THING FOR US TO ATTEMPT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND I THINK IT NEEDS, UH, AS MUCH PUBLIC SURFACING OF THE DATA AS WE CAN GET.

OR DID I LEAVE OUT A TOPIC? I DON'T THINK YOU DID.

CHILDREN.

YOU GOT 'EM CHILDREN.

WELL, NO, THE ISSUE IS ONE OF THE ADULTS HAS TO WORK IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ELIGIBLE.

SO IT CAN'T BE A CHILD WITH TWO UNEMPLOYED PARENTS.

I HAVEN'T QUITE THOUGHT ABOUT IT THAT WAY.

I MEAN, CLEARLY ONE OF THE POPULATIONS HERE THAT I'M MOTIVATED TO HELP ARE KIDS WHO ARE SLEEPING IN CARS.

THAT'S NOT A WAY TO LEARN, THAT'S NOT A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT.

IT CAN'T BE SUCCESSFUL.

SO AM I GONNA REQUIRE THEY ALL THAT THE PARENT THAT ATTENDS TO THEM HAS A JOB.

I'M INTERESTED IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT

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THAT'S WHO I WANNA BE SERVING HERE.

PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

AND SO IF THAT MEANS WHEN THEY FIRST COME TO THE CAMP THAT, UH, THE PARENT IS UNEMPLOYED, WELL, IF THEY HAVE A KID IN SCHOOL, I THINK I'M MOTIVATED TO WANNA HELP THAT FAMILY, SO.

OH, OKAY, BRIAN? SURE.

SO WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT DIRECTION AT THE MOMENT.

AS FAR AS AND NOT REALLY OVERALL COMMENTS.

SO YES.

ON PRIOR REGISTRATION, YES.

ON NO, NO.

IT IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO OUT THERE.

ON NO.

UM, THIS SHOULD NOT BE SERVING LIFESTYLE PEOPLE.

UH, TOTALLY AGREE THAT MONTHLY REPORTING, UH, IS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, ESPECIALLY OUT OF THE GATE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS MAYBE IT PROVES TO BE IN A STABLE STATE AND THERE'S NO, UH, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES POPPING UP AND SO FORTH.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS INITIATIVE, I, I'VE, YOU KNOW, TO AN EXTREME, I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT.

I WANT YOU TO HAVE AS MUCH VISIBILITY INTO WHAT'S GOING ON.

UM, 'CAUSE I WANT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

UH, THE CHILDREN AND WORKING PARENTS THING.

I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT, WITH, BUT I'D BE OKAY WITH IT AS LONG AS WE DO THE, THE, THAT YOU GOTTA BE LOOKING TO GET HOUSED.

'CAUSE THAT'S HUGE, RIGHT? IF, IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT GETTING HOUSED, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.

SO LET'S SEE IF I, I THINK, OH, AND SMOKING, OH MY, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE WE CAN SAY NO AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA WORK AROUND IT.

THE FOREST, I MEAN, PEOPLE CAN GO OUT AND SMOKE AT CULTURAL PARK ALL DAY LONG, EVERY DAY ANYWAYS.

I MEAN, I'VE RUN ACROSS PEOPLE SMOKING POT, YOU KNOW, ON THE TRAILS MANY A TIME.

AND YES, THAT'S SCARY.

BUT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S PRACTICAL OR WILL BE EFFECTIVE TO TRY TO, UH, OUTLAW SMOKING.

THE FIRE HAS.

SO I THINK I'VE SPOKEN TO EACH OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE LIST, MELISSA? WELL, I HAVE NOTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE LIST.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AROUND CHILDREN, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A CHILD ENROLLED IN SCHOOL, SOMEBODY'S WORKING.

UM, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ISN'T AT LEAST ONE PARENT WHO'S WORKING, UM, WHEN WITHOUT A CHILD IN SCHOOL.

BUT THAT'S ME AND THAT'S MY BACKGROUND AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS USED TO.

UM, SO I THINK THAT THE ISSUE AROUND CHILDREN IS, IS COMPLICATED.

AND, UM, IF THIS IS, UH, IF THIS IS MEANT TO BE WORKFORCE, UH, FOCUSED, IF THIS IS THE INTENT IS TO HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN OUR COMMUNITY, IN THEIR CARS ON OUR STREETS, TO GIVE THEM A SAFE PLACE TO WORK AS WE WORK TOWARDS GIVING THEM A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, UM, THEN IT ISN'T ABOUT A CHILD IN SCHOOL, IT'S ABOUT WORKFORCE.

UM, HOWEVER, THAT SHOULDN'T EXCLUDE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHILDREN FROM COMING AS FAR AS SMOKING IS CONCERNED.

UM, I I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HAZARDS, UM, IN A COMMUNITY WHERE WE HAVE DROUGHT CONDITIONS FREQUENTLY DURING THE YEAR.

UM, SO I'M, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT.

I, I, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO, TO HEAR, TO ME, I WOULD LUMP IT ALL INTO SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, WHICH IS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

UM, WE TALK ABOUT KEEPING THE SITE CLEAN AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, BUT AS SOMEONE WHO GOES OUT ON THE TRAIL AS PART OF A TRAIL AMBASSADOR FOR FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST ARE GONNA GO WALK OUT AND, AND LEAVE JUNK.

AND, UM, OUT THERE AT, AT CULTURAL PARK, THOSE OF YOU WHO RIDE YOUR BIKES THERE, YOU HIKE THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE A LOT ALREADY OF BROKEN GLASS AND OTHER THINGS OUT THERE.

I DON'T WANT US TO BE ADDING TO THAT.

UM, AND, AND SO AGAIN, I LEAVE IT TO, TO YOU TO FIGURE OUT WITH THAT DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO NOT JUST MEASURE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, BUT ALSO SAFEGUARD AGAINST ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

WHETHER THAT'S IMAGES OR HAVING PEOPLE GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS OF THE FOREST HELPING.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

THAT'S UP TO YOU.

UM, BUT I THINK WE, WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THIS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT IS TEMPORARY AND WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT

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VICE SMEAR.

YOU JUST WELL, THEY WERE MY SUGGESTIONS EXCEPT FOR THE SMOKING, RIGHT.

AND YEAH, SO YOU'RE SUPPORTING THEM AS, AS IT IS OR 'CAUSE YOU'VE SUGGESTED THEM, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO I JUST WANNA BE SURE, BUT IN TERMS OF SMOKING, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JESSICA, BUT I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD HAVE IT ALLOW SMOKING.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

SO, OH, DATA FOR SURE.

MONTHLY AT A MINIMUM.

OH YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH ALL THAT.

THE, THE ISSUES I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE SMOKING.

AND I, I THINK I WAS CLEAR ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT I'M AFRAID THAT SOMEBODY WILL GO OUTSIDE DURING A DROUGHT, SMOKE DROP A BUTT, AND SETS THE FIRE, THE WHOLE FOREST ON FIRE.

IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE IN THE CONFINES, A SMOKING AREA, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY.

SO TO ME, IF WE'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE, WE NEED TO HAVE A PLACE.

AND THAT'S CHECKED OVER BY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PERSON WHO'S IN CHARGE, WHATEVER, I DUNNO, WHATEVER THE MANAGER, WHOEVER, WHATEVER HIS TITLE IS, THAT HAS TO BE STRICTLY ENFORCED BECAUSE THAT WOULD LOCK LIGHT A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD ON FIRE BY ONE SPARK.

SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT THE FIRE, BUT SOMEONE'S GONNA SMOKE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T CONTROL THEMSELVES SOMETIMES.

AND I WOULD RATHER BE OVERCAUTIOUS.

SO EVERYTHING ELSE I, I AGREE WITH, UH, I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER COMMENTS TO MAKE, BUT AS FAR AS THESE ITEMS, DEFINITELY PETE, I APPRECIATE THE ONCE A MONTH.

I, I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT'S CRITICAL MORE THAN YOU KNOW, QUARTERLY, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND WE'LL FIND OUT REAL QUICK.

AND THEN IF IT HAS TO, SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN.

KAREN, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? I, I JUST, WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THAT, IF WE COULD JUST GO DOWN THE LIST AND GET THUMBS UP, SOME THUMBS DOWN.

I DON'T THINK WE CAPTURED WHERE WAS CONSENSUS.

I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON SMOKING AND THE CHILDREN, EVERYTHING ELSE WE DO.

WHY DON'T WE DO, THAT'S FINE.

NO, NO, I, I LET'S JUST GO DOWN THE LINE.

I UNDERSTAND.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

SO I THINK THERE WAS CONSENSUS AROUND NO SEASONAL OR LIFESTYLE CHOICE.

UM, SO SOMEONE HAS TO WORK YES.

WHETHER THEY HAVE KIDS OR NOT HAVE KIDS, RIGHT? YES.

THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF, WELL, WE GOT OUR THUMBS.

SO THERE YOU GO.

PETE, YOU DID, KATHY WAS A THUMBS UP.

OKAY, KATHY.

I THINK EVERYONE WAS ON BOARD WITH PRE-REGISTRATION, MONTHLY REPORTING, PUTTING THE DATE ON THE WEBSITE FOR TRANSPARENCY.

AND THIS PROBABLY GOES BACK TO SEASONAL OR LIFESTYLE CHOICE, BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO WANT TO BE HOUSED, SO THAT'S RIGHT.

CRITERIA.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF SMOKING, SMOKING ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED, ALLOWED SMOKING ALLOWED.

I, THAT'S OKAY.

WE'RE JUST VOTING.

WHAT DO I NOT BE? KATHY'S TRYING.

HE GOT IT.

YOU THINK KATHY? OKAY.

I I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

SHARON, GO AHEAD.

UM, THE WORDING HAS BEEN A LITTLE DIFFERENT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT WHAT ABOUT SEASONAL WORKERS, UM, WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK ON FINDING SEASONAL HOUSING? WHAT DOES SEASONAL HOUSING MEAN? A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD, WHEN THEY COME BACK NEXT YEAR, THEY COULD RENT FOR THREE MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, I SEE I'M CONFLICTED ON THAT BECAUSE I REALIZE THOSE SEASONAL WORKERS SERVE A PURPOSE HERE.

AND THEY, THE BIKE SHOP, UH, THERE'S SOME OTHER, EVEN THE OHB COMPANIES, THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY, THEY NEED PEOPLE ONLY CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR.

SO IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD, WHICH WAY, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT SEARCHING FOR HOUSING, BUT THEY SERVE A PURPOSE AND I'M CONFLICTED ON THAT.

SO, UM, JESSICA, JESSICA, THANK YOU.

WELL, I THINK WE HAVE SO MANY HOUSING ISSUES RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD NOT, I I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD TAKE THAT UP AS AN ISSUE IMMEDIATELY.

I MEAN, THAT WOULD JUST BE MY GOAL.

VICE MAYOR, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT SERVING A PURPOSE, BUT IT DOESN'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OUR ISSUE.

THAT'S FAIR.

I'M FINE WITHOUT IT.

BUT THEY DON'T, THEY HAVE TO, YOU'RE CLEAR THEY HAVE TO, THEY, YOU KNOW, BE, UH, PERMANENT RESIDENCE, NOT SEASONAL, BUT I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING SOMEWHERE NOW ANYWAY, LET THEM GO WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

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UM, KAREN, I GIVE YOU ALL THE NUMBERS YOU WANT.

I BELIEVE SO, SO, SO KAREN, I, UM, HAD ADDED WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA DO SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY AROUND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, MONITORING IT, MAKING IT A METRIC AROUND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OR DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THIS FACILITY.

I DUNNO HOW EVERYONE ELSE IS THINKING.

I THINK IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION, WE WOULD NEED SOME MORE SPECIFICITY AROUND WHAT, WHAT THAT MIGHT ENTAIL OR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

MAYOR.

YES, I THINK TO THAT POINT, THE, THE A DQ, YOU KNOW, POINTS US TOWARDS MANAGING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WATER, THE EFFLUENT, RIGHT? LIKE THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REASONABLY MONITORED ON AN ONGOING BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, FLOODING ANY TRAILS.

SO THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE A, A MOST SIGNIFICANT MEASURABLE, BECAUSE WE'RE EXPECTING THE HOMELESS COALITION TO MANAGE THE SITE CLEAN.

SO THAT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE AS PART OF REPORTING.

I WOULDN'T THINK I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO JUMP IN, BUT YES, YOU ARE.

PLEASE.

I'LL, I'LL ALLOW IT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE, AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS THAT A SITE LIKE THIS PROVIDES TRASH, PROVIDES TOILETS FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD NOT HAVE THOSE AMENITIES OUT IN THE FOREST.

AND SO THERE'S PROBABLY SOME REPORTING AS FAR AS HOW MUCH TRASH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE COLLECTING THERE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY OTHERWISE END UP, UM, IN OTHER PLACES, WHICH IS, I THINK A GOOD NUMBER TO HAVE.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO WE HAVE THE, THE INFORMATION YOU NEED, YOU SAID.

OKAY, SO NOW LET'S GO ONTO COMMENTS.

SO, UH, BRIAN, DID YOU WANNA START OR? SURE, I CAN DO THAT, MAYOR.

UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SWUNG MY INTEREST WAS THAT THERE ARE THE SOCIAL SERVICES THAT WRAP AROUND THIS TO HELP PEOPLE FIND HOUSING.

THIS HAS BEEN, UH, A LONG EVENING, A LONG SEASON OF, UH, GETTING TO THIS POINT WITHOUT A DOUBT.

AND, UH, FOR ME, UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE THIS PROJECT INITIALLY WAS, UH, BROUGHT TO LIGHT, I WAS IN SAN FRANCISCO, AND IT'D BEEN THE FIRST TIME I'D BEEN THERE IN YEARS.

WE SPENT A WEEK, WE STAYED IN UNION SQUARE, AND IT WAS HORRIFYING, UTTERLY HORRIFYING IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY.

I COULDN'T BELIEVE I WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO GO ON VACATION THERE, TO BE QUITE HONEST.

AND SO THEN A COUPLE MONTHS LATER, THIS PROJECT CAME UP AND I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, THE SAME THING COULD HAPPEN IN SEDONA.

SO LIKE, I GET THE CONCERNS FROM THE FOLKS WHO'VE SHARED THEM THIS EVENING.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT NOBODY IN THE RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, COME HERE.

UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITHOUT A DOUBT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT AN IDEAL THING.

LIKE THIS IS NOT, NOT NOTHING TO BE PROUD ABOUT, THAT WE'RE PROVIDING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK TO SLEEP, UM, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT WILL BE SAFE AND IT WILL BE IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.

UM, SO I DO RELUCTANTLY SUPPORT IN THAT REGARD.

UM, AND IT'S ALSO TEMPORARY.

AND I, I'VE BEEN CLEAR IN MY COMMENTS THAT I EXPECT THAT THIS IS TEMPORARY.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, THE RFPS GOING OUT, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

IT'S THE WHOLE THING.

IT'S NOT A CARVE OUT FOR SAFE PLACE TO CONTINUE ON IN, UH, INDEFINITELY.

IT'S, IT'S TWO YEARS OR LESS.

UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO NOW AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ELSE WE CAN DO NOW.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT USING THE DELLS AND THE, THE DELLS.

I MEAN, WE'RE SPRAYING EFFLUENT FROM THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT THERE TO USE THE DELLS.

WE WOULD HAVE TO INVEST IN INJECTION WELLS TO THE COST OF HOW MANY MILLION? ABOUT 20.

ABOUT 20 MILLION.

THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IN ORDER TO, TO MOVE THIS PROJECT TO THE DELLS.

PLUS THE TIME FOR APPROPRIATING THE FUNDS, GETTING THE RFPS OUT, AWARDING A CONTRACT, GETTING IT BUILT.

IT'S TWO YEARS, PROBABLY IT'S MORE THAN TWO YEARS TO BUILD FOUR INJECTION WELLS.

OKAY? SO IT'S, SO THE, SO THE DELLS IS NOT A REALISTIC ALTERNATIVE, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE POTENTIALLY INTEREST IN IT, BUT IT'S LOGISTICALLY, AND FRANKLY RIGHT NOW FINANCIALLY, A NON-VIABLE ALTERNATIVE.

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THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION TO RUN THIS, THAT WE HAVE GREAT FAITH IN, UM, GIVES ME COMFORT THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS PROPERLY.

LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS I THINK THAT ARE INTERESTING THAT I'VE HEARD THIS EVENING, LIKE THE DELLS LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD IN SEDONA.

AND THEN THE, THE PERSON SAYS, BUT YOU COULD BUILD IN THE DELLS.

WELL, IT, IT'S STILL JUST AS EXPENSIVE IN THE DELLS AS IT IS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

SO AGAIN, I JUST DON'T SEE, UM, AN ALTERNATIVE THERE.

AND FOR ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DEARLY WANTING TO SEE THE RESURRECTION OF THE CULTURAL PARK AMPHITHEATER, YOU KNOW, AS SHANNON JUST SAID, WELL, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT COMES TO LIGHT THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS AND WHETHER THAT, YOU KNOW, PERCOLATES TO THE TOP OR NOT.

UH, I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER IT WILL OR WILL NOT.

BUT WHAT I DO BELIEVE VERY FIRMLY IS, IS THAT, UH, PUTTING SAFE PLACE TO PARK AT CULTURAL PARK WILL NOT IN ANY WAY STOP A RESURRECTION OF THE CULTURAL PARK AMPHITHEATER, SHOULD THAT BE THE DIRECTION THAT THE COMMUNITY ULTIMATELY WANTS TO GO.

SO THERE'S PROBABLY A WHOLE LOT MORE THAT COULD BE SAID, BUT I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH THANKING EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN HERE THIS EVENING.

AND I KNOW MOST FOLKS HAVE LEFT, MAYBE THEY'RE WATCHING FROM HOME AT THIS POINT.

BUT I ADMIRE THE PASSION OF EVERYBODY.

AND YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU OPPOSE THIS, IF, IF COUNSEL DOES MOVE FORWARD THIS EVENING FOR THOSE THAT OPPOSE IT, I ASK YOU TO GET CLOSER TO IT AND NOT GET FURTHER FROM IT BY FURTHER OPPOSITION.

I ASK YOU TO GET INVOLVED, BE PART OF MONITORING, UM, 'CAUSE WE WANNA BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT AND, AND LET YOU ALL SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

SO I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME.

THANKS MAYOR.

COUNCILOR DUNN.

WELL, I THINK COUNSELOR FOLTZ HAS PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING.

UM, THERE IS, I, I BELIEVE THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH LAND THE CITY OWNS AND THE PROPERTIES AT WHICH WE COULD OR COULD NOT BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND MUCH OF THE PLACES WHERE WE COULD BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO BUILD HOUSING THERE.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOTTA BE OUR TOP PRIORITY IS BUILDING THE ACTUAL HOUSING.

UM, THIS HAS GOT TO BE TEMPORARY.

I THINK EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL AGREES THIS IS MEANT TO BE TEMPORARY.

THERE'S TWO YEARS OF FUNDING THAT WAS WHAT, 90 SOME ODD PERCENT GIVEN TO THE CITY VIA THE STATE.

UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THIS DONE, IT IS TEMPORARY.

AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN OUR COMMUNITY NOW.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WHETHER WE, WE LIKE OR DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY LIVE IN THEIR CAR, WHETHER THAT MAKES US FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, WHETHER IT MAKES US FEEL LIKE, WOW, THAT'S HORRIBLE.

WHATEVER IT IS, HE MAKES YOU FEEL.

IT, IT, I ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR FEELINGS.

IT'S HOW YOU FEEL, IT'S HOW YOU FEEL.

HOWEVER, THE WAY I FEEL IS IF WE DON'T DO THIS NOW, THEN THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A TIME FOR US TO DO THIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS THE EXPRESSION, IF NOT, IF NOT NOW, WHEN, AND WE CAN WAIT TWO YEARS UNTIL WE HAVE HOUSING, BUT THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE LIVING ON THE STREET IN THEIR CARS.

UM, WE'LL BE LIVING IN THE FOREST WITH UNSAFE CONDITIONS.

SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE THIS IS IS TIME FOR, FOR US TO DO WHAT MIGHT BE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT PROBABLY IN THE LONG RUN IS THE BEST THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THESE PEOPLE ARE RESIDENTS HERE.

THEY ARE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND TO DENY THAT BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN THEIR CAR, JUST FEELS IN INCORRECT TO ME.

SO, UM, I'M IN FAVOR AND I AGREE THIS HAS TO BE A TEMPORARY AND A SAFE PLACE FOR RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

VICE MAYOR, I'M COMING FROM A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PLACE.

I, I'M LOOKING BACK WITH REGRET, BUT I KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T LOOK BACK, JUST LOOK FORWARD.

BUT I THINK, I THINK WE MADE SOME MISTAKES HERE.

AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING A ZONING CHANGE.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DONE A CUP.

I KNOW IT WAS AN EXTRA STEP, BUT WOULD LIMIT, IT WOULD BE AN ACTUAL ACTION OF THE COUNCIL THAT COULD NOT BE CHANGED WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

WHERE ZONING IS NOT LIKE THAT.

ZONING IS PERMANENT, PERMANENT CHANGE UNLESS YOU REZONE IT AND CHANGE IT TO BACK

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OR TO SOMETHING ELSE.

SO I'M, I'M SORRY THAT WE, WE WENT IN THIS DIRECTION.

I ALSO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CRACK THE CODE OF INFORMING THE PUBLIC.

WE STARTED THIS AS, UH, COUNCILPERSON FOLTZ SAID 14 MONTHS AGO.

AND WHY IT HA IT, IT'S JUST TAKEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BECOME SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SEE.

NOW, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED AND WE'VE GONE OUT TO TRY AND BRING OUR ACTIONS.

I MEAN, WE WRITE COLUMNS IN THE NEWSPAPER.

WE SEND OUT PRESS RELEASES, WE HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA, WE TALK ON THE DAAS, BUT SOMEHOW WE DON'T CONNECT WITH THE PUBLIC ON OUR ACTIONS UNTIL WE'RE RIGHT THERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT.

UH, AND THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR, FOR MANY YEARS.

WE'VE TRIED EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO DO.

SO IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY, WE WEREN'T REALLY, WE WERE NOT HIDING ANYTHING.

UH, IT JUST, IT TOOK THE COMMUNITY A WHILE TO CATCH UP.

AND WE NEED TO DO BETTER.

WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER BETTER ON THAT.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, I STRUGGLED A LOT THIS PAST WEEK THINKING ABOUT THIS MEETING, NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO IT, BY THE WAY, AT ALL.

I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LIVE IN A REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY AND WE GET ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AND WHO ARE THE PEOPLE, WHO ARE THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE REPRESENTING.

EVEN THOUGH TO TONIGHT AT, AT THIS HEARING, WE HAD OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, UH, USAGE OF THE CULTURAL PARK.

IN OUR EMAILS, IN THE CORRESPONDENCE, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

SO WHY PEOPLE WEREN'T HERE, I DON'T KNOW.

UH, BUT IT WAS MORE 50 50.

SO WHO IS THE COMMUNITY? WHICH IS WHY I WISH THAT WE HAD THE AUTHORITY TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT.

'CAUSE I WANNA HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY WANTS TO DO.

AND I THINK THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S AS DIVISIVE AS THIS, IT COULD BREAK THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN .

SO I ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS GONNA PASS.

I CAN COUNT THE VOTES.

UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO A REFERENDUM ACTUALLY.

AND IT'S A BIZARRE THING FOR ME TO BE THINKING ABOUT AND SAYING, BECAUSE IT'D BE THE ONLY WAY THAT THE PEOPLE WILL HAVE A VOICE THROUGH THE BALLOT BOX.

IN FACT, I WOULD SIGN THE PETITION BECAUSE I BELIEVE SO STRONGLY THAT PEOPLE SHOULD, IN SOMETHING THAT IS THIS CONTROVERSIAL, HAVE A SAY IN IT AND A SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD DETERMINE, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE HERE REPRESENTED WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR MAILBOX COMPLETELY.

BUT I DID HEAR IT LOUD AND CLEAR.

SO I, IT GO, YOU KNOW, IT GOES BACK TO WHEN I FIRST RAN FOR OFFICE.

THIS IS MY FIRST TERM.

AND IN 2020 I RAN FOR OFFICE AND HAD AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE LIBRARY, AND IT WAS STANDING ROOM ONLY.

AND IT WAS A PRETTY FRIENDLY AUDIENCE.

IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS ANNOUNCED IN THE NEWSPAPER OR TAKEN OUT AN AD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT JUST, IT WAS KIND OF WORD OF MOUTH.

AND WE WENT THROUGH, IT WAS A TOWN HALL TYPE OF SITUATION.

WE WENT THROUGH ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS FACING.

AND, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IS A PRETTY STRONGLY FELT ISSUE.

THEY WERE ALIGNED ON TRAFFIC.

TOURISM WAS A PRETTY STRONGLY FELT ISSUE.

THEN, AND IN, DURING THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THERE WERE FIVE SESSIONS ON HOUSING TO TRY TO GET THE COMMUNITY'S SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING, TO DO SOMETHING.

PEOPLE WERE FAIRLY ALIGNED ON TOURISM.

WE WENT THROUGH ISSUE BY ISSUE.

WHEN WE CAME TO HOUSING, IT WAS THE ONE THING THAT WAS 50 50 IN THAT AUDIENCE.

NOW, IT HAD TO DO WITH DENSITY AND HEIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE WAS NOT A CLEAR PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT TO DO ABOUT HOUSING.

ALTHOUGH EVERY OTHER ISSUE THERE WERE SOLUTIONS.

SO, AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S FOUR YEARS AGO.

BUT I KNOW THAT HOUSING HAS BEEN AN ISSUE IN THIS COMMUNITY FAR BEFORE MY TIME HERE.

AND I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 11 YEARS.

SO I, I, I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT WHAT WE DO.

AND

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AND IT DREW HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME TO THOSE HUNDREDS.

HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T FIND A SOLUTION.

AND IT REALLY TROUBLES ME.

I HAVE TO SAY, IT ALSO TROUBLES ME THAT THIS IS CONNECTED TO THE CULTURAL PARK.

I WANNA DISCONNECT IT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS SHORT TERM INITIATIVE WILL BE A DECISION MAKER FOR WHAT TO DO WITH THE CULTURAL PARK.

I THINK IT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE.

IT SHOULD BE HANDLED SEPARATELY.

I DON'T THINK ONE GOES AGAINST THE OTHER.

UH, BUT HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, I'M JUST REALLY , I'M REALLY ON THE FENCE, I HAVE TO SAY.

SO THREAT, I, I TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND WE'LL COME BACK TO VOTING.

I'LL, I'LL DECIDE WHAT I'M GONNA DO.

UH OH, GO AHEAD.

ONE MORE THING BEFORE I FINISH.

IF, IF THE PROGRAM IS, UH, VOTED ON TONIGHT, AND THERE IS A REFERENDUM TOMORROW, I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD PUT A HOLD ON THIS PROJECT UNTIL THE VOTERS SPEAK.

SO SOMETHING COUNCILOR FOLTZ SAID, WHICH I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR A WHILE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY UP HERE OR STAFF THAT ARE EXTREMELY PROUD OF THIS.

THIS IS A LAST DITCH EFFORT.

THEY'RE PROUD OF THEIR WORK.

I'M PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE.

AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT.

ALL, ALL OF THEM, ALL THE WAY FROM CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE HOUSING TEAM AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT.

AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK.

BUT NO ONE'S REALLY PROUD BECAUSE THIS ISN'T REALLY THE ANSWER.

IT'S ONE OF MANY ANSWERS.

THE FACT IS THAT THE SHELBY PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD.

IT MAY TAKE TWO YEARS UNTIL IT'S DONE.

'CAUSE IT DOES TAKE TIME.

BUT THAT'S AN ANSWER.

A PHYSICAL PLACE TO LIVE IS THE ANSWER.

THIS IS JUST A STOP GAP.

AND THE FACT THAT I FIND IT UPSETTING THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE WHO TOOK AN INTERESTING PROJECT, LIKE THE CULTURAL PARK AND DECIDED TO MAKE THAT THEY WERE GONNA CHAMPION FOR THAT AND TOSS EMPLOYEE HOUSING OR, UH, THE UN HOMED UNDER THE BUS WHEN THE TWO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AT ALL.

THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID, THERE WAS NOT, I CAN'T THINK OF, UH, ANY TRUTHFUL FACT THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE TODAY.

OH, WE'LL DO THE DELLS, WELL, COUNCIL FOLTZ SAID, UH, $21 MILLION AND PROBABLY FIVE TO SIX YEARS, BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE AND GET SPRAYED ON LIKE A, YOU KNOW, IRRIGATION EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.

THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER.

SO NOBODY WAS GIVING US A GREAT ANSWER.

OH, WELL, THERE'S, WE HAVE A BETTER ANSWER.

WELL, I DIDN'T HEAR, AND I WAS LISTENING FOR, GIMME A GOOD ANSWER.

NO ONE HAS AN ANSWER.

THE DELLS CERTAINLY IS NOT THE ANSWER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

BECAUSE IF WE WANNA DO THIS FOR TWO YEARS, CERTAINLY BY THE TIME WE DO, WAS IT, UH, KAREN, SIX INJECTION WELLS, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO GET, TAKE FOUR MORE.

FOUR MORE.

TAKES YEARS TO DO THAT.

AND IT'S $21 MILLION NOW.

WELL, WE'VE LEARNED ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, IT'S NEVER ON TO BID.

IT NEVER COMES IN ON, ON BID.

IT'S ALWAYS OVERBID.

SO WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT THE MONEY'S GONNA BE? AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE AUDIENCE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE IN WHAT THEY TALK ABOUT.

THEY NEVER MENTIONED $21 MILLION TODAY.

AND BY THE TIME IT WOULD GET DONE MAYBE FIVE TO SIX YEARS FROM NOW, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY MORE MILLIONS IT WOULD BE.

BUT THAT WAS FINE.

SO IF THEY HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS GOOD, IF, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GET INTO THE HISTORY OF THE DELLS AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF, BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT THEY TOOK WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A NICE PROJECT.

IT MIGHT BE A NICE PROJECT BECAUSE I TOO WANNA SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC PROCESS IS.

AND MAYBE THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HAVE THAT WITH, WITH WHATEVER IT, THE PRESENTATION IS.

TODAY THAT THERE WERE TWO, I THINK, PETITIONS AND THEY USE CHANGE.ORG.

THAT'S THE PUBLIC PROCESS.

BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT IT WAS MENTIONED

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YOU'VE HAD THESE PETITIONS, MAYOR JAB LOW, AND YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO, WHO SENT THAT TO ME.

WE'VE NEVER SEEN THEM.

AND CHANGE.ORG IS NOT A REAL PETITION.

IT MEANS TO ME, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS.

IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE ANYBODY ACROSS THE COUNTRY CAN SIGN IT.

AND I WANNA KNOW THE PEOPLE IN SEDONA SIGN IT.

I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO SAY.

NOT SOMEONE IN NEW YORK CITY, NOT SOMEONE IN LA COUNTY TO HAVE.

I THINK THEY SAID THAT THE CULTURAL PARK PETITION HAS 7,000 NAMES ON IT.

THAT'S THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THERE WAS 7,000 PEOPLE FROM SEDONA.

BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING, WE'VE NEVER SEEN IT.

AND TO SAY YOU DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE PETITIONS, I WOULD WANNA VERIFY IT.

IF YOU WANT TO DO A PETITION, AND VICE MAYOR SAID, IF THE REFERENDUM COME MOVES FORWARD, SO BE IT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE THE RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

AND SO BE IT.

AND I WOULD HONOR THAT.

BUT TELLING ME, YOU KNOW, CHANGE.ORG MEANS NOTHING TO ME.

'CAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LEGAL, IT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC.

IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.

HEY, WOULD YOU SIGN THIS FOR ME? SEND IT TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

GO TO THIS WEBSITE AND SIGN IT.

NOT TRUE.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

HEY, CAN WE NOT HAVE THE BACK AND FORTH? REALLY? THAT'S FINE.

THIS IS MY TIME.

YOU HAD YOUR TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST A YEAR OR SO AGO, LAST SPRING, SIR, IF YOU WANNA CONTINUE TO TALK, YOU COULD TAKE IT OUTSIDE.

I'VE JUST ABOUT HAD ENOUGH, THANK YOU.

LAST YEAR, SPRINGTIME, WE'RE BACK INTO SPRING.

YOU KNOW HOW MANY PHONE CALLS WE GET FROM PEOPLE AND EMAILS.

I CAN'T GET INTO MY FAVORITE RESTAURANT.

I CAN'T GET TO HERE TO THERE BECAUSE NOBODY WORKING THERE.

SO THAT, THAT HAPPENS.

NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THAT.

JUST WE DON'T WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO, TO, UH, LIVE IN A PARKING LOT.

I GET IT.

NEITHER DO I.

AND ONCE WE HAVE SHELBY BUILT, I HOPE THAT EVERY PERSON THAT GOES INTO THAT LOT WILL GO INTO THE SHELBY PROJECT AND TWO YEARS IT WILL BE CLOSED.

WE HAD SOMEBODY, I MEAN, WE, WE GAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION.

A LOT OF YOU PEOPLE HERE SAID, OH, WE DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT.

WE JUST WANT TO SPEAK.

WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF IT.

AND YET SOMEONE STILL HAD THE, THE, THE POINT OF SAYING, OH, YOU WANNA BUILD A FIRE PIT? NO ONE MADE THE WORD SAID THE WORD FIRE PIT.

I SAID, PUT DOWN SOME BRICKS OR SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY CAN SMOKE ON.

HOW DO YOU EQUATE THE THE TWO TO, TO A FIRE PIT? I DON'T GET IT.

THERE WAS SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT IN LINE WITH THE PRESENTATION.

PEOPLE CAME, AND I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.

THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR SCRIPT.

THEY WANNA STICK TO IT.

EVEN IF THE PAST TWO HOURS, IT WAS ALL FACTUALLY CHALLENGED.

BUT THEY HAD TO SAY WHAT THEY'RE SAY AND THAT'S THEIR RIGHT.

BUT IT'S NOT FACTUAL.

SO LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE I HAVE HERE.

UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT ST.

LOUIS OBISPO AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT PROJECT, AND A LOT OF THE OTHERS ARE REGULAR TENT CITIES, A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT.

THAT'S NOT THIS, BUT YET THERE'S CERTAIN PLACES THAT YOU'LL SEE IT WRITTEN THAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

AND IT'S NOT, AGAIN, NOT FACTUAL INFORMATION.

UM, THE DELLS TALKED ABOUT THE DELLS, THE VICE MAYOR SAID, AND I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE, HOUSING AND TRAFFIC, TWO BIGGEST ISSUES.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON THE TRAFFIC.

AND I DON'T WANNA GO TOO DEEP INTO THAT, EXCEPT IF YOU THINK THAT HAVING A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT EVENT VENUE FILL UP ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON OR A SATURDAY NIGHT IS NOT GONNA BRING TRAFFIC.

THAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED.

AND I'VE, I'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THEM AND IT STILL HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT YET THIS IS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD THAT FAILED 20 YEARS AGO FOR

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WHATEVER REASON.

ANYWAY, I'M NOT GONNA CONTINUE ON.

UM, I TOO AM VERY MIXED WITH THIS NOW BECAUSE, UM, I BELIEVE WE ARE CHARGED WITH REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE.

AND THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WE'RE VERY CLEAR.

BUT LIKE THE VICE MAYOR SAID, I DO, I KEEP GOING BACK TO YOU, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

WE RECEIVED A GOOD AMOUNT OF EMAILS.

TO THE CONTRARY, I'VE SPOKEN TO A GOOD AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TO THE CONTRARY.

SO IF THIS IS THE MIX, I WOULD NORMALLY SAY, WELL, OKAY, THAT'S THE PEOPLE I'M REPRESENTING, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE.

SO IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A, A REFERENDUM, SO BE IT.

MAYBE THAT'LL BE THE ANSWER.

I, I'M, I'M ON THE, THE, THE FENCE.

REALLY ON THE FENCE BECAUSE I WALKED IN HERE, PEOPLE KNOW I WAS SUPPORTING THIS A HUNDRED PERCENT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, IF THEY HAD, IF THEY WERE AGAINST IT WITH CONCRETE REASONS THAT SAID, LET'S BUILD IT HERE, A LEGITIMATE PLACE.

NOBODY HAD A LEGITIMATE REASON.

SO I'M STILL ON THE FENCE, BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT.

SO ANYWAY, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR.

LOTS OF NOTES AND WHAT TO SAY.

I, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO, I WANNA START OFF BY SAYING THAT THE GOAL OF THE PROGRAM, I'M GONNA QUOTE TO HELP INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WHO WORK AND ATTEND SCHOOL IN SEDONA YET ARE EXPERIENCING VEHICULAR HOMELESSNESS IS, IS A WORTHY GOAL.

YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF US TAKING ACTION TO DO THAT.

IF I CAN HELP A LOCAL WORKER WHO IS KICKED OUT OF THEIR RENTAL HOUSE BECAUSE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS THEN, AND THEY'RE AT THEIR, THEY'RE WORKING, YES, I, I WANNA HELP THAT PERSON.

IF I CAN HELP, AS I SAID BEFORE, A KID IN SCHOOL WHO'S SLEEPING IN THE CAR, THAT'S JUST NOT CONDUCIVE TO LEARNING.

AND I'M WANTING TO HELP A FAMILY THAT IS IN THAT, IN THAT POSITION.

VICE MAYOR SPOKE ABOUT REGRETS.

YOU KNOW, MY REGRETS ARE THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL IN YEARS PAST HAVE LIMITED THE TYPES OF HOUSING WE HAVE IN TOWN.

UH, THAT'S MY REGRET.

I WASN'T HERE FOR THOSE DAYS, BUT I'M REGRETFUL THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY DIDN'T SEE THIS ISSUE COMING YEARS AGO AND, AND FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET DIFFERENT, A WIDER DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES IN THIS TOWN.

I'M ALSO REGRETFUL THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE, IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM, HAVE DECIDED THAT THERE'S NO LOCAL IMPACTS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S IS IT ALL THE PROBLEM? IS THAT THE REASON WE'RE HERE? NO, IT'S NOT THE REASON WE'RE HERE.

IT'S A BUNCH OF THINGS.

BUT THAT CERTAINLY PLAYED A BIG ROLE.

VICE MAYOR.

YOU EXPRESSED REGRET ABOUT MAYBE THE ZONING CHANGE WASN'T THE RIGHT THING IN THE CUP WAS RIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT I MIGHT BE THERE WITH YOU, THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BETTER FOR US TO TAKE A DIFFERENT PATH, BUT IT'S NOT TOO LATE ACTUALLY FOR US TO PUT ON THE TABLE TONIGHT.

THAT WE LIMIT THE TIME OF THE ZONING THAT WE SAY IN TWO YEARS THE ZONING REVERTS.

AND THIS COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO TAKE A DELIBERATE ACTION, AND THE COMMUNITY GETS ANOTHER CHANCE TO WEIGH IN, IN TWO YEARS TIME AS TO WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S GIVEN US TIME TO BUILD HOUSING.

ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THAT THE PRESENCE OF THIS, UH, PROJECT AT THE CULTURAL PARK IS GOING TO INFLUENCE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN OF THE CULTURAL PARK.

AND SO IF WE AS A COUNCIL PUT A TIME LIMIT, I, I'M LOOKING FOR WAYS TO TAKE THIS PROJECT OUT OF THE CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, AS A DOMINATING ELEMENT OR A MUST BE ELEMENT OF THE MASTER PLAN IN FUTURE TIME.

AND I THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME INFLUENCE IN THAT BY SAYING THERE'S A TWO YEAR DURATION ON THE ZONING, AND THEN WHEN WE'RE DOING THE MASTER PLAN, THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE THINK THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE.

IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE THERE.

IT'S NOT PERHAPS EVEN A ALLOWED USE.

WE COULD THINK THROUGH THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

AND I THINK WE GIVE TO OUR COMMUNITY THE SENSE THAT WE'VE HEARD THEIR FEARS AND THAT WE, WE, WE'LL, WE CAN OFFER UP SOMETHING HERE ALONG THOSE LINES.

I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE.

CAN WE ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY? THAT'S WHAT I WANTED SURE.

ON THAT ONE TOPIC.

I'LL PAUSE FOR THAT.

AND WE'LL GO BACK TO YOU, PETE.

WE? UH, I MEAN, OR THERE COULD BE A REFERENDUM FROM THE VOTERS, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN THREATENED TONIGHT.

ON, ON THE TWO.

ON A LIMIT IN THE REZONE.

SO IT'S NOT, UH, NORMAL ZONINGS, UH, ZONING IS INTENDED TO BE, UH, QUOTE, PERMANENT IN THAT IT'S, IT APPLIES TO THAT PROPERTY FOREVER, UNTIL IT'S REZONED TO SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING LEGALLY THAT WOULD, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S US, WE'RE NOT GONNA SUE OURSELVES, AREN'T

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SO, UM, SO NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT COUNCIL FROM REZONING FOR JUST TWO YEARS IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT.

ALTHOUGH I WOULD STATE WITH THE, THE GRANT AND THE RUN UP FOR THE TIME FOR THE GRANT TO STOP, HOPEFULLY BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN TWO YEARS FROM TODAY'S DATE.

UM, SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO, TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY TO SAY THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT OR WHEN YOU JUST SAID WE COULD, WE CAN, WE CAN.

I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT YOU SAID, WELL, WE'LL GO WITH THE, THE GRANT MONEY WHEN THAT RUNS OUT, THEN WE STOP.

BUT HE, HE WAS SAYING WE CAN, BUT THE GRANT MAY BE LONGER, LONGER IN YOUR MIC.

WELL, I'M SORRY.

SO JUNE, JUNE 30TH, 2026.

SAY IT AGAIN.

I, WHAT I HEARD, UM, THE ATTORNEY SAY, AND HE CAN TELL ME I'M INCORRECT, BUT, UM, WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY IS, IS THAT, UH, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE TWO YEARS.

IT'S ABOUT SETTING IT SO THAT BY THE TIME THEY ACTUALLY START THE WORK, WE DON'T LIMIT OURSELVES AS FAR AS THE GRANT.

SO THE GRANT GOES BEYOND THE TWO YEAR LIMITS FROM TODAY.

SO IT'S ABOUT THE DATE THAT YOU WOULD USE IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THIS TWO YEAR TIMEFRAME.

AND SO, PERHAPS I, I, SHANNON AND JEANIE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK QUICKER ABOUT WHEN THEY EXPECT THE PARK TO ACTUALLY START, BUT IF OPPOSED, YOU COULD, IT'D BE TWO YEARS AND TWO MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IS THE GRANT OVER JUNE OF 2026? RIGHT.

UM, SO THAT'S THE END OF JUNE.

SO JUNE, 2028 WOULD BE SIX.

SO I'M SORRY, SIX WE'RE ONLY 24.

CAN THAT BE IN THE, IN THE MOTION? SHOULD WE DO OUR THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON THAT ELEMENT.

I SUPPORT IT.

CAN WE DRAFT A NEW, I DON'T, WE CAN DO AN AS AMENDED IN THE MOTION.

IT CAN, IT CAN JUST BE ADDED INTO THE MOTION.

UM, KATHY, KATHY, GO AHEAD.

EMMA.

THUMBS DOWN.

THAT MIGHT HAPPEN THAT THEY WERE SURE WOULD HAPPEN, LIKE NOTHING IS EVER TEMPORARY IN GOVERNMENT.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

ALRIGHT, SO I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE HERE, MAYOR, THAT A AS AS EXPRESSED BY SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, LONG-TERM VENT, VEHICULAR LIVING IS NOT A DESIRED OUTCOME HERE.

IT'S NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING.

IT'S NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR LONG TERM, UH, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, AND THIS, IN MY OPINION, ALSO IS NOT THE BEST LOCATION.

BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.

I'VE THOUGHT THROUGH IT.

I HAVE LISTENED TO EVERYONE.

I'VE HAVEN'T HEARD VIABLE ALTERNATIVES POSED HERE TONIGHT.

UH, MOSTLY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE PLANNING WORK THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AT THE CULTURE OF PARK.

BUT I THINK WE CAN HAVE A TEMPORARY PROGRAM THERE.

IT'S GONNA TAKE US AT THIS AMOUNT OF TIME TO MAKE IT THROUGH A MASTER PLANNING EFFORT ANYHOW.

OR MAYBE SHORTEN, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A, A NEW PROGRAM FOR US.

AND NOBODY KNOWS IF THIS THING IS GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL, UH, THERE'S EVEN A CHANCE THAT IT WON'T BE, UH, YOU KNOW, YES, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IT WON'T BE SUCCESSFUL.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT THEIR FEARS TONIGHT, AND I HEAR PEOPLE SPEAK OF FEARS.

AND WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THAT THEY CARE AND THEY'RE FEARFUL, FEARFUL OF SOMETHING.

BUT WE CANNOT LET OUR FEARS OF THE UNKNOWN OR, OR EVEN PROBABILITIES SUBSTITUTE FOR REAL DATA.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF GOOD DATA AT THE START OF THIS THING.

WE'VE HAD SOME, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S WORKERS IN NEED OF HELP.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S FAMILIES THAT NEED HELP.

WE DON'T HAVE A REALLY GREAT HANDLE OF THE NUMBERS, BUT WE KNOW THAT'S TRUE.

AND I'M TRYING TO RECOGNIZE THE FACTS ON THE GROUND.

THE FACTS ON THE GROUND ARE THE, IS THAT WE HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT NEED HELP, AND WE CAN DO THIS TEMPORARY THING.

IT'S NOT THE BEST THING.

WE, WE ALL HAVE SAID THAT THERE'S OTHER, WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

WE'RE WORKING ON MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS TOWN, AND WE'RE GONNA NEED EVERYONE'S HELP TO GET THOSE PROJECTS PASSED AS WELL.

I HOPE YOU, UH, SHOW EQUAL ENTHUSIASM FOR THOSE IN THE FUTURE.

YOU KNOW, YOU PLAN THE WORK, THEN YOU WORK THE PLAN, GATHER AND ANALYZE THE DATA WITH CLEAR EYES.

AND SO I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROGRAM, UH, TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY AS WE'VE AMENDED IT.

SO, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, PETE.

AND THANKS FOR MAKING THAT OTHER SUGGESTION ON THE TWO YEAR JESSICA.

YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IT'S GONNA WORK.

IT COULD NOT WORK.

LUCKILY, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE COULD STOP IT EASILY AND WITHOUT A LOT OF ADO.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF I THINK I, I'M SORT OF INTERESTED WHETHER EVERYBODY WHO SORT OF THOUGHT OF ALL THE THINGS, ALL THE AWFUL THINGS

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UM, WHETHER YOU LIVE YOUR LIVES THAT WAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN WHEN YOU GET IN A CAR AND YOU GO ON THE HIGHWAY AND THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS? DO YOU, I MEAN, FEARS ARE ONE THING, UM, IN REALITY IS SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY.

UM, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS ONE THING THAT I KEEP HEARING THAT FRANKLY IS JUST, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW AS MUCH AS, AS, AS PEOPLE ON OUR STAFF AND PEOPLE WHO SPEND THE TIME.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS EASY ASSUMPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO, TO PEOPLE THAT HOUSING'S AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND THAT IT'S A QUESTION OF COMMUTING.

AND THAT IF WE ONLY IF BUSINESS BUSINESSES ONLY PAID MORE MONEY, WHY EVERYTHING WOULD BE SOLVED, OR IF, UH, PEOPLE WOULD JUST, OR IF WE GAVE PEOPLE HOUSING ALLOWANCES, THINGS WOULD BE SOLVED.

THERE IS NO AVAILABLE HOUSING IN THE VERDE VALLEY.

IT'S TOTALLY LIMITED COTTONWOOD LIT RIM ROCK, CAMP VERDE.

IT'S NOT JUST SITTING THERE WAITING FOR PEOPLE WITH, WITH $2,500 A MONTH TO GO AND RENT IT.

IT'S NOT THERE.

UM, SO JUST TO SAY THAT BUSINESSES RAIL AGAINST BUSINESSES FOR NOT PAYING ENOUGH MONEY, YOU'D HAVE TO PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR FOR SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD, UM, THE LITTLE BIT OF HOUSING THAT'S OUT THERE.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS, YOU KNOW WHAT PETE SAID, NO ONE ON THIS DAY THINGS, IT'S GREAT THAT PEOPLE LIVE IN THEIR CARS.

UM, YOU KNOW, STANDING UP AND, AND DECLARING YOUR PA YOUR COMPASSION FOR THESE PEOPLE AND HOW AWFUL IT IS THAT WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO LIVE IN CARS.

THEY LIVE IN THEIR CARS.

THEY LIVE IN THEIR CARS IN VERY UNCERTAIN AND STRESSFUL CIRCUMSTANCES.

UM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, PETE SAID THAT HE REGRETS THAT WE DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING.

ODDLY ENOUGH, WE DID SEE THIS COMING IN 2005, I THINK IT WAS THAT LONG AGO.

THERE WAS A HOUSING COMMITTEE ESTABLISHED JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE SAW THIS HAPPENING.

IT WAS HAPPENING THEN I WAS ON THAT HOUSING COMMITTEE.

AND THE REASON NOTHING HAPPENED, , THE REA, THE REASON NOTHING HAPPENED, OR THE SAME REASON THIS HAVING TROUBLE NOW.

NOBODY WANTS DENSITY.

NO ONE WANTS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING ANYWHERE NEAR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WITHIN A MILE AND A HALF.

NOBODY ACTUALLY WANTS, AND IT'S WHAT, IT'S WHAT HOLLY WAS TALKING ABOUT.

NO ONE ACTUALLY WANTS EXCEPTS WHAT HAS TO BE DONE TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE 1.5 MILLION FOR A HOUSE.

UM, AND, BUT I GUESS IN A WAY, WE'RE KIND OF, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, THE STATE SEES THIS.

THE STATE KNOWS IT'S HAPPENING.

THE STATE'S GONNA SOLVE IT BY TAKING AWAY ALL OF OUR ABILITY TO DECIDE WHAT GETS BUILT WHERE.

AND IT'S NOT THAT WE DIDN'T SEE IT'S COMING.

IT'S THAT AS A COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK IT'S NOT JUST US, IT'S ALL THROUGH ARIZONA.

IT'S PROBABLY ALL THROUGH THE, IT'S ALL THROUGH THE WHOLE COUNTRY.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT WHAT'S NECESSARY IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF HOUSING THAT'S NEEDED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE, UM, THAT, THAT NEED TO BE HOUSED, BUT THAT PROVIDE ALL THE SERVICES THAT WE REQUIRE.

THEY'RE HOSPITALS.

THEY'RE NOT JUST OUR RESTAURANTS, .

THEY'RE NOT JUST OUR SHOE STORES.

THAT ONE SHOE STORE WE HAVE.

IT'S OUR HOSPITAL.

IT'S EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

WE DON'T WANNA BUILD HOUSING FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

'CAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT AS, YEAH, IT BOTHERS US.

SO THE STATE'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT FOR US.

WE WON'T BE HAPPY.

NO, WE WON'T BE HAPPY.

NOBODY WILL BE HAPPY.

SO ANYWAY, I THINK THIS IS A, IT'S A PROGRAM.

DID I LOVE THE PROGRAM? NO.

DO I WANNA DO THE PROGRAM? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I WISH I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THE PROGRAM, BUT I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO HORRIBLE.

PEOPLE LIVE IN CARS.

COMPASSION COMES IS NOT SAYING, OH, THOSE POOR PEOPLE, THEY LIVE IN CARS.

WELL, OKAY, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO HELP? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE

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IT'S SAYING, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO AS A COMMUNITY TO HELP IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY THAT PRESERVES THE COMMUNITY, PRESERVES SOME DIGNITY? AND IS A, IS A MEASURE WE CAN TAKE BEFORE THE HOUSING, WHICH WE WANNA BUILD, CAN BE DONE.

LASTLY, I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO BUILD A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT FOR, UH, OUR WORKERS IN SIX MONTHS.

I DOES IT.

THOSE PEOPLE YOU WANNA IGNORE REALITY, HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO BUILD HOUSING AND HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE HOUSING TO BE AFFORDABLE.

SO I THOUGH THAT WAS, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF NICE TO STAND, BUT SAY, I COULD BUILD IT IN SIX MONTHS, BE MY GUEST.

GO FOR IT.

SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO AND WE CAN DO.

AND IF IT DOESN'T AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE COULD STOP IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT GUARANTEES IN LIFE.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO TELL YOU TO GO.

THANKS MAYOR.

UH, KATHY? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS IMPRESSED WITH THE ARTICULATE COMMENTS THAT COME FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND, UH, THANK THEM FOR THE THOUGHT TO DIAGNOSING THE DISSECTING AND DELIVERING ON ISSUES.

UM, I, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER S'S COMMENTS MOST CLOSELY.

I PUT MY OWN SO I WON'T REPEAT THEM.

UH, I JUST, AGAIN, WANTED TO EXPRESS MY REGRETTABLE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NECESSARY.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT REALLY DESERVES TO BE, TO BE TRIED.

UH, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO FOR A MOTION? WOW.

ONLY HAVE ANOTHER THREE HOURS LEFT, BUT WE'RE GOOD.

UM, OKAY.

CAN I HAVE THE MOTION THEN, ARE, ARE WE DOING THE MOTION WITH THE, THE CHANGES WE HAVE TO, RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE, DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? DID YOU WRITE DOWN WHAT THE, THE CHANGES ARE? KURT, DID YOU GET THE THERE'S ONLY ONE CHANGE TO THE ZONE CHANGE TO THE ZONE CHANGE, YEAH.

SO I WAS JUST GONNA READ THE ZONE CHANGE.

I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 1 0 1 REGARDING CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 0 2.

ZC AMENDING THE EXISTING PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT ON A PN 4 0 8 DASH 47 DASH 0 0 9 A, ADDING THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM AS OUTLINED IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS AS A PERMITTED USE BASED ON CONSISTENCY AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

UM, COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC, SECTION 8.3 AND 8.6, AND SATISFACTION OF THE ZONE CHANGE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS ACTION, UM, WILL BE IN EFFECT UNTIL JUNE 30TH.

JUNE 30TH, 2026.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? NO.

SO WE HAVE, AYE, AYE.

OH, GOOD.

THANK YOU KATHY.

SO WE HAVE SIX TO ONE.

UH, THE VICE MAYOR BEING THE ABSTENTION, UH, NOT THE ABSTENTION.

NOW WE NEED THE SECOND ONE.

DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THAT AS WELL, PLEASE? OKAY.

LET ME GO AND FIND IT.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM IN THE CONTRACTS FOR BOTH THE SITE MANAGEMENT WITH THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION AND THE GRANT FUNDING AGREEMENT FROM THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.

AT WHAT POINT DO WE ADD THE PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES OR WAS THAT DIRECTION THAT WAS ALREADY GIVEN? THAT'S ON THE RECORD.

THAT'S DIRECTION.

SPACES AND IF YOU CARED ABOUT THAT BEING EXPANDED TO 50 AT SOME POINT, OR IS IT GONNA STAY AT 40? STAYING AT 40.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED THAT AND SNAPS ACKNOWLEDGED IT THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH ALL THE DETAILS THAT THERE WAS CONSENSUS FOR, UM, AS AMENDMENT.

SO, SO IT'S ALREADY, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF.

THE ONE OTHER QUESTION WAS WHETHER THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT 40 HOUSING OR 40 PARKING

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40? OKAY.

WELL, IF THAT'S NOT A CONCERN, THEN YEAH, WE DON'T NEED AN AS AMENDED.

THERE A SECOND.

THERE IS COUNCIL DUNN.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

KATHY? AYE.

THANK YOU .

KATHY, YOU DID NO, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THOSE OPPOSED NO.

SO SIX TO ONE WITH THE VICE MAYOR AGAIN.

WE WANT TO DO THE, UH, YEAH, WE HAVE TO DO ITEM D, AB 30 27, DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION AND STATE BUDGET, AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA.

[8.d. AB 3027 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.]

SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I DIDN'T HAVE A REPORT THIS WEEK.

UM, JUST TWO BILLS, WELL, THREE, IF YOU COUNT THE, THE SENATE ONE HAVE, UM, MOVED FORWARD THAT THE CITY'S IN OPPOSITION TO, UH, THAT'S HB 25 70.

THE, AND THAT IT'S COUNTERPART SB UH, 1 1 1 2.

SO, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY PASSED.

THEY SWAP, THE BILLS PASSED AND IT'S, UH, WAITING FOR THE GOVERNOR TO EITHER SIGN OR VETO, UH, THE LEAGUES PUT FORTH, AND I THINK YOU GOT COPIES OF IT, THE, UH, REQUESTING THAT SHE VETO THAT.

UH, THE OTHER ONE THAT'S MOVED FORWARD IS THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS.

ONE, UM, 2275.

UH, IT JUST PASSED THE HOUSE.

SO IT IS GOING OVER TO THE SENATE NOW.

UH, PREVIOUSLY IT'S STILL BEEN HANGING OUT IN THE SENATE WAITING FOR THAT THIRD, OR THE HOUSE WAITING FOR THAT THIRD READ.

AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE IF WE HAD A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, MORE THAN $500,000 THAT IT GO TO THE LEGISLATURE AND OR GOVERNOR TO BE APPROVED.

UH, THE OTHER ONE THAT HAS, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT ACTUALLY THERE.

OH, UM, SB 10 52, THAT WAS THE THIRD ONE, UM, PASSED SENATE.

THAT WAS THE OHV, UM, SIZE INCREASE THAT PASSED YESTERDAY.

IT PASSED, YES.

AND IT WAS SENT TO THE HOUSE TODAY.

DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION ON, UH, HB 24 26? I HAVE AN UPDATE FROM DEANNA BINLEY WHO WAS DOWN THERE.

THAT'S THE COMMUNITY, THE STICKER.

NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT ONE.

ACCORDING TO DEANNA BINLEY, UH, HB 24 26, WHICH SHE SHARED WITH ME ON FRIDAY, FAILED YESTERDAY AT THE SENATE TRANSPORTATION HEARING.

THIS IS A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED ANYBODY FROM ALL 50 STATES WHO OWN A TITLE OHV TO COME TO ARIZONA, TITLE THEIR OHV HERE, THEN GET AN OHV STICKER FOR $25, AND THEN THEY, THEN A HIGHWAY LEGAL, UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A DISASTER FOR ARIZONA, ESPECIALLY SEDONA.

SO, BUT YET THAT IS GONNA GO, IT MAY GO TO A STATE STUDY COMMITTEE AND CAN SHOOT IT DOWN COMPLETELY.

SO THERE'S ONE MORE.

THEN THERE'S THE OTHER, RIGHT.

OHV BILL.

THAT'S, UH, SB 10 55.

DID YOU GET THAT ONE TOO? OKAY.

UH, UH, SENATOR, UH, KERR GATHERED ENOUGH SUPPORT FROM THE SENATE TO PASS THE THIRD READING SB 10 55.

THE MANDATORY OHV EDUCATION BILL HAS A FEW AMENDMENTS AS WELL.

UH, THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

EVEN THE REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THIS.

OKAY, WELL THAT'S GOOD.

THIS BILL WILL NOW BE REFERRED TO THE HOUSE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.

MANDATORY OHV EDUCATION IS BEING RECOGNIZED AS, UH, NECESSARY BY OUR, UH, LEGISLATORS.

UH, FINALLY, LEGISLATOR, FINALLY, UH, THEY'RE GONNA KEEP ME POSTED.

INFORMATION, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH, WITH THE LEGISLATURE ON THESE BILLS.

SO THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING.

THEY WERE DOWN THERE THE PAST TWO DAYS.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

I I HAVE ONE THING.

I I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, AND I'M GOING TO REPEAT THIS A COUPLE MORE TIMES.

'CAUSE OUR AUDIENCES, IT'S GOTTEN SO MUCH SMALLER, BUT THERE IS AN, THERE IS A MOVEMENT IN THE LEGISLATURE.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF BILLS LAST YEAR, AND ALSO FOR THIS YEAR, THE GOVERNOR HAD VETOED ALL OF THEM LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR.

DON'T KNOW, DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA PASS.

DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S GONNA DO.

BUT THEY ALL RESTRICT THE RIGHTS OF CITIES, MUNICIPALITIES TO HANDLE, YOU BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER, JESSICA, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HANDLE ZONING.

SO WE WOULD BE, IF THESE PASSED AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THEM, WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T MATTER.

'CAUSE THE LEGISLATURE WOULD, IN EFFECT, MAKE OUR DECISIONS FOR US.

SO PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS ISSUE, UH, AND WE COULD PROVIDE SOME, SOME

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AND, UH, IF ANYBODY KNOWS PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE GOVERNOR WHO MIGHT BE AT THE LAST STOP.

UH, THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR, BECAUSE SHE VETOED SO MANY BILLS LAST YEAR, 143, WHICH WAS A ALL TIME HIGH, HAS REFERRED ITEMS. SEE, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.

WE DON'T, TO THE BALLOT.

SO WHEN YOU GET YOUR BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, IT'D BE PAGES LONG ON ALL THESE, ALL THESE INITIATIVES AND REFERENDUM THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS GONE DIRECTLY TO THE BALLOT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THE, THE GOVERNOR MIGHT VETO THEM.

AND SO THIS WAY THEY LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON IT BE VERY LONG, LONG BALLOT BESIDES ALL THE ELECTED OFFICES THAT WILL BE THERE.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR US TO GET THE COMMUNITY EDUCATED SO THAT WE CAN AMPLIFY OUR VOICE, BUT KNOW THAT THESE ARE REALLY DANGEROUS THINGS FOR US.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL DENSITY.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL SETBACKS.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL HEIGHT, ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT REALLY, UH, OUR PART OF OUR UNIQUENESS, OUR CHARM AND SPECIAL CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM US.

TRUE.

AND MATTER OF FACT, THERE WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE HEARING HERE IN THESE CA IN THIS COUNCIL CHAMBER, UH, THREE YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, NO, TWO YEARS AGO, WHERE THEY, THE, THE, THE PANEL WAS HERE AND SAYING THEY HAD BUILDERS ON THE PANEL.

THEY HAD, UM, ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THE PANEL WHO SAID, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE LOCAL CONTROL AWAY, IN ESSENCE.

SO THAT'S SCARY.

THAT HAPPENS.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.

UM, ITEM E DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE.

UH, MAYOR, ARE YOU TAKING COMMENT ON THE LAST ITEM? WE HAD A QUESTION.

OH, WHICH ITEM? THE LEGISLATIVE, YES.

I, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

UH, I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT TIME.

WHO, WHO HAS A CARD? SEAN.

OH, SEAN.

SEAN.

YOU KNOW HOW, HOW IT WORKS.

WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO TRY TO STRIP THE POWER WAVE FROM THE TWO TOP SENATE AND HOUSE LEADERS TO ALLOW THEM TO, OR TO KIND OF FORCE THEIR HAND TO AT LEAST EXPLAIN WHY THEY WON'T ASSIGN SOMETHING TO COMMITTEE.

SEAN SMITH, RESIDENT.

THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF AND CITY MANAGER.

I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF REITERATE SOME STORIES OR SOME LEARNINGS THAT I DID IN TRACKING THIS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

THE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS, I CALLED THE GREAT ZONING TAKE DOWN, AND STEVEN KAISER STARTED IT OFF WITH HIS OMNIBUS PACKAGE, AND THEN HE BROKE IT UP INTO THE INDIVIDUAL BILLS, NOT ABLE TO GET HIS THINGS THROUGH.

AND THEN THOSE INDIVIDUAL BILLS, WELL, THE LAST SESSION FAILED, AND THEY KIND OF SLICED IT UP AND DICED IT UP AGAIN.

AND WE SAW THIS YEAR ALL THE BILLS KIND OF HAD LIMITS ON, FOR CITIES ABOVE 75,000.

THESE THINGS APPLIED.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE, THEY KIND OF FIGURED OUT THAT THERE'S JUST GONNA BE A LOT OF OPPOSITION FROM SMALLER TOWNS, UH, FOR THIS KIND OF STUFF TO GO THROUGH.

BUT IN EVERY CASE, WE SAW, UH, THE SENATE PRESIDENT WARREN PETERSON AND THE HOUSE SPEAKER BEN TOMA COME OUT SAYING, BASICALLY THEY, THEY WEREN'T, I MEAN, AND THERE WAS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM WARREN PETERSON IN THE MEETING WITH, UH, ZONA, UH, RE UH, RESPONSIBLE TOURISM THAT HE, HE WAS GONNA DROP STONE DEAD.

ANYTHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH CAPPING ST OR, OR AFFECTING ST IN, IN ANY WAY, BECAUSE HIM AND HIS WIFE HAVE VESTED INTEREST IN IT.

THAT, SO I THINK AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO TRY TO COME TOGETHER, LIKE YOU SAY, AS AN ORGANIZ, AS A CITIZENRY, AND KIND OF ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.

BUT WE NEED TO ALSO TRY TO FIND SOME WAY TO STOP THE PRESIDENT FROM NOT ALLOWING THESE BILLS TO GO TO COMMITTEE.

IT WOULD'VE BEEN A WAY DIFFERENT STORY, I THINK AT LEAST SOME OF THESE, IF THEY HAD GONE TO COMMITTEE, BUT THEY DIDN'T EVEN GET A CHANCE TO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY.

AND THAT'S JUST, I THINK THAT'S A POWER WE NEED TO LEARN TO TRY, FIND A WAY TO TAKE AWAY FROM STATE SENATE PRESIDENTS AND, AND HAVE SPEAKERS BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S SO MUCH DOESN'T GET DONE.

AND WE END UP WITH A BUNCH OF THESE BILLS THAT ARE DESIGNED FOR VETO BECAUSE WARREN PETERSON, BEN TOMA DECIDED THEY WANT REALLY P**S OFF THE GOVERNOR.

SO THAT'S JUST NOT A WAY TO GET ANYTHING DONE.

AND WE HAVE TO TRY TO FIND A WAY.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL TRY TO SPEAK WITH THEIR LOBBYISTS, THE LOBBYISTS THAT WE HIRED, AND TRY TO CRAFT WAYS THAT WE CAN MAYBE ROS UP SOME DOLLARS FROM OTHER CITIES AND WHATEVER CITIZENS INITIATIVE,

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AND AT LEAST THEN WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE REAL CARDS LIE.

THANK YOU, SEAN.

YEAH, THE ITEM E, THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? YES.

ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? YES, BRIAN?

[8.e. Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items]

I'D, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST THAT WE GET AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S, UH, STR MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

WE'RE NOW PASSED, UH, RENEWAL SEASON FOR YEAR TWO.

UH, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT COMPLIANCE, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT, UH, HOW WELL WE'RE ABLE TO MANAGE, UH, AGAINST THE, UH, LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED AND WHETHER WE'RE SUFFICIENTLY STAFFED, ET CETERA.

I SUPPORT THAT.

I SUPPORT IT.

I THINK WE, I SUPPORT THAT.

I THINK WE'RE UNANIM.

WELL, JESSICA, I THINK IT'S FINE.

WE UNANIMOUS.

SO SOMETIME, UH, WHEN DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING FOR A UPDATED, UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING? PROBABLY MAY TIMEFRAME.

WE'LL GET IT SCHEDULED.

PETE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO, NO.

I, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING, BUT I'M HEARING ALL SORTS OF THINGS NOW.

UM, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.

[10. ADJOURNMENT (Part 1 of 2)]

THE MAYOR, WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE MEETING TILL TOMORROW AT 2:00 PM PLEASE.

OH, THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.

YES, I WOULD.

WELL, OKAY, SO YES, SO, UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN PORTION WILL BE CONTINUED TO TOMORROW, UH, TWO O'CLOCK IN THESE CHAMBERS.

WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.

ERIC.

JOE, COULD WE LEAVE OUR STUFF HERE?

[2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART (Part 2 of 2)]

SO WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE THIS MEETING FROM YESTERDAY.

THIS WOULD BE, UH, REGULAR BUSINESS AB 27 19 PRESENTATION.

UH, UH, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, WHY DON'T YOU PUT A PAUSE ON THAT.

WE HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD.

WE'RE GOING, MAYOR, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL FIRST? YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

MADAM CLERK OR DEPUTY CLERK? MAYOR JALO.

PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU.

HERE.

COUNCILOR DUNN.

PRESENT.

COUNCILOR FOLTZ? HERE.

COUNCILOR FURMAN.

PRESENT.

COUNCILOR KINSELLA IS EXCUSED.

ABSENT, CORRECT.

COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON HERE.

WE HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD, UH, FROM MIKE, UH, MCCARTHY.

NOW BEFORE WE GET TO THE ABS, THE AGENDA BILLS, UH,

[6. PUBLIC FORUM (Part 2 of 2)]

COME UP TO, TO THE, UH, PODIUM.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, NOT ON THE AGENDA, THAT'S WHY, UH, WE WANT TO DO IT BEFORE THE, I, I OPEN THE, UH, AGENDA BILL, SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU HAVE A CLOCK UP ON THE WALL.

COME DOWN IN WHEELCHAIRS WHEN THE CARS ARE PARKED ALONG THERE, OTHER CARS WILL SWAY OVER, UH, TO THAT PROCESS THERE.

THANK YOU ALL.

MIKE MCCARTHY AND I HAVE A RESIDENCE IN SCOTTSDALE, BUT ALSO HERE ON BEAR WALLOW AND SIDLEY HILL, UH, DISTRICT THERE.

AND, UH, I, UH, WORK AT THE UNIVERSITY.

SO THIS IS MY SPRING BREAK, SO I OFTEN DON'T GET A CHANCE TO COME AND MEET WITH YOU.

I'M ON SPRING BREAK, SO I'M GONNA TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TWICE NOW HERE.

SO THANKS SO MUCH.

I HAVE A FEW ISSUES THAT, UH, I WANNA BRING UP THE, THE COUNCIL.

AND PREVIOUSLY I'VE WORKED THIS AT THE LOWER LEVEL, SO I'M WORKING UP THE HIGHER LEVELS NOW.

UH, THE FIRST ISSUE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS I, I KNOW YOU, WE ARE A DARK SKY COMMUNITY, BUT I'M CONCERNED WITH THE INCREASING AMOUNT OF LIGHTS AND MORE SPECIFICALLY WITH THE LIGHTS AT THE HOTELS ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM US.

THEY HAVE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF LIGHTS.

I'VE BEEN WORKING, TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM FOR FOUR YEARS NOW.

I DID HAVE A VERY PLEASANT MEETING WITH YOUR COMMUNITY, UH, COMMUNITY PERSON.

CARRIE WAS GREAT, FILED A COMPLAINT TODAY.

UH, THE LIGHTS WERE SO BRIGHT LAST NIGHT.

THEY ARE LIGHTING UP THE CREEK AND OUR HOUSES, UH, THEY'RE NOT COVERED.

SO I'M ASKING THAT, UH, A A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION AS I DRIVE ALONG 89 A 1 79.

I'M JUST SEEING A LOT MORE LIGHTS WHILE THEY'RE PART-TIME IN SCOTTSDALE.

ALMOST EVERY AIRBNB IS NOW USING STRINGING LIGHTS.

I'M, I'M JUST HOPING WE'RE NOT GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.

UH, THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS SY HILL PARKING.

I WALK MY DOG ALONG THERE.

I HAVE BIG STANDARD POODLE JUMPS AROUND A LITTLE BIT, AND, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS CARS PARKED ALONG THERE, SOMETIMES OVER THE EDGE.

TODAY, THERE WAS 10 OF 'EM TODAY.

UH, PREVIOUSLY OR LAWYER AT THE PLANNING MEETINGS.

KURT HERE HAD SAID THAT WE COULD CLOSE THAT DOWN SO THEY CAN'T PARK THERE.

I'M RECOMMENDING THAT.

I KNOW THERE'S A PLAN.

IF THE HOTEL GETS BUILT, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A SIDEWALK.

I RECOMMEND IT BE CLOSED TILL THEN.

UH, I FEEL VERY SCARED WHEN I WALK ALONG THERE.

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE

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SO IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT AND CONSIDER IT.

I'VE MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING BEFORE.

UH, THE THIRD AREA, UH, IS MORE WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT, BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE A GOAL TO PRESERVE AND NOT HAVE A FIRE HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN SEEING, UH, AT THE AIRBNBS AND, BUT ALSO THE HOTELS, IS WE'RE SEEING PROPANE FIRE PITS THAT ARE SHOOTING FIRE THREE FEET HIGH AND LEFT UNATTENDED FOR OVER SIX, SEVEN HOURS.

AND, UH, ALONG THE CREEK THERE, THEY'RE ON THE CREEK THERE.

UH, IN THE FALL WE HAVE THE SYCAMORE TREES, DROPS THOUSANDS OF LEAVES.

I KNOW YOUR FIRE MARSHAL SAID THEY'RE SAFE, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE AMENDMENT TO THE FIRE CODE AND YOU HAVE INFLUENCE ON THEM.

A LITTLE AMENDMENT TO FIRE CODE TO SAY, HEY, EVEN IF YOU'RE USING PROPANE, YOU STILL HAVE TO BE AROUND IT.

UH, AND PERHAPS SOME KIND OF, THEY DON'T NEARLY NEED TO BE THREE FEET HIGH.

SO IF YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT AND CONNECT THAT UP WITH THE RIGHT PERSON, I'LL TRY AND ALSO TALK WITH THEM.

OKAY? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR.

YES, I UNDERSTAND WE CANNOT ENGAGE, BUT MAY I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? YES.

ON, ON YOUR ITEM TWO ON THE PARKING, GO BACK, COME UP TO THE PARK ON YOUR ITEM TWO ON THE PARKING.

ARE YOU SPEAKING OF THE AREA BETWEEN WHERE YOU, YOU WOULD ACCESS SIBLEY HILL ROAD AND THEN COMING DOWN TOWARDS THE ROUNDABOUT? IS THAT WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING AT THE ROUNDABOUT, THE ROAD, UH, GOING UP THEY PARK ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE.

UH, YOU HAVE TO WONDER, OKAY, WHY ARE THEY ALL PARKING THERE? IS THERE NOT ENOUGH SPOTS? IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPOTS, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO BACK AND FORTH.

WE CAN'T.

I DO HAVE ANOTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

IS THIS SOMETHING NEW? I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOWN IN SCOTTSDALE.

IS THIS SOMETHING NEW SINCE BIKE WEEK AND NOW IT'S SPRING BREAK? OR DID, WAS IT OCCURRING BEFORE THAT NO.

OCCURS ALL THE TIME AND THANK YOU.

AND WE CAN'T, UH, CON WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT HERE AT THIS POINT.

JUST, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF AND HAVE YOU ANGRY SO MUCH.

GO TO REGULAR BUSINESS AB 27 19 PRESENTATION, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE DRAFT COMMUNITY PLAN AND ADOPTION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN 2023.

SO NOW LET'S

[8.a. AB 2719 Presentation/public hearing/discussion/possible direction regarding the draft Community Plan and adoption of the Community Plan 2023. (Part 2 of 2)]

I'M GUESSING THAT WOULD BE, STEVE WOULD BE LEADING THE WAY.

I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS TAKING CHARGE HERE, BUT THANK YOU.

WELL, HELLO.

YOU CAN LET CYNTHIA, YOU KNOW, HAND IT ALL OVER TO HER.

IT'S WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.

HELLO, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

UH, , IT SEEMS LIKE DE DEJA VU.

THAT WAS YESTERDAY, , BUT YES.

UM, AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, PERSEVERING LAST NIGHT AND PUSHING THROUGH AND ALLOWING US TO HAVE TIME TO, TO, TO HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION ON THE REMAINDER OF THIS DRAFT.

SO YES, WE DO WANT TO HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION, UM, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF, UH, UH, MUCH OF THIS YOU SAW BEFORE, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC WHO MAY NOT HAVE, WE WANT TO DO A QUICK RUN THROUGH OF THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE CAN GET TO OUR, OUR DISCUSSIONS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

GOOD AFTERNOON, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCILORS.

WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA START? ANY PARTICULAR THAT WE HAVE IN, IN THE BOOK? OKAY.

SO HERE'S OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.

UM, AS STEVE SAID, WE'LL DO JUST A BRIEF RECAP OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT FEBRUARY 28TH.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THE LIST THERE, WE MADE IT THROUGH LAND USE.

SO WE WILL START, OR I GUESS CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION STARTING WITH HOUSING.

UM, AND HOUSING IS PAGE 50 IF YOU WANNA GET PREPARED THERE.

THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, AND WE HAD ONE AT THE SCHOOL.

SO I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE FULL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

UM, FROM 2022 TO 2024.

UM, I THINK THAT WAS COVERED PRETTY THOROUGHLY, UM, ON FEBRUARY 28TH.

AND THAT INFORMATION IS POSTED ON OUR PLAN ON WEBSITE.

UM, THIS IS JUST THE ABBREVIATED VERSION, UH, JUST TO BASICALLY SHOW HOW MUCH OF THE, UM, PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, STARTING OUT WITH OUR CITIZEN WORK GROUP.

AND NEXT THING WE HAD WAS OUR, UM, HOUSEHOLD SURVEY THAT WAS SENT OUT WHERE WE RECEIVED ABOUT 590 RESPONSES.

UM, AND THEN WE HAD FOUR COMMUNITY FORUMS, WHICH WERE THE, THE BIG, UM, COMMUNITY WIDE, UH, LET'S SEE.

THREE WERE AT

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UM, AND THEN WE HAD SOME VIRTUAL FORUMS, AND THEN WE HAD OUR 60 DAY DRAFT PLAN REVIEW.

AND THAT WAS, UH, DECEMBER 1ST THROUGH FEBRUARY 1ST.

AND THEN SINCE THAT POINT, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT DRAFTS GOING THROUGH P AND Z AND COUNSEL, UM, WHICH HAS LANDED US ON DRAFT NUMBER FOUR.

AND, AND THIS ONE I DID COVER, UH, FEBRUARY 28TH.

BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO KIND OF REPEAT THIS ONE, UM, BECAUSE WE DO GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS A VERY HIGH LEVEL, BIG PICTURE DOCUMENT.

UM, AND IT, THE INTENT IS THAT IT SHOULD INFORM OTHER PROJECTS, PROGRAMS, PLANS, ET CETERA.

AND SO WHEN WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, WE DEFINITELY GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS.

THE MAJORITY OF COMMENTS WERE REALLY AT A MORE, UM, DETAILED LEVEL AND, AND NOT, UM, AT THAT HIGHER LEVEL.

SO WE'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I DON'T SEE MY COMMENT IN HERE.

UM, AND SO A LOT OF THOSE ACTUALLY FALL UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND SO ONE, THERE'S SEVERAL ACTION ITEMS IN THE PLAN TO AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND THAT IS TYPICAL.

THE PLAN IS EVERY 10 YEARS WHEN WE UPDATE IT.

AND, LET'S SEE, OUR LAST PLAN WAS 20 13, 20 14, AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WAS UPDATED IN 2018.

AND SO WE WOULD DO THE SAME, UM, PROCESS BECAUSE THE IDEA IS THAT EVERYTHING SHOULD ALIGN.

UH, SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SHOULD ALIGN WITH COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO IF THERE'S A, A RECOMMENDATION IN THE PLAN THAT IS MAYBE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS CONTRARY TO THAT OR DOES NOT, UM, FACILITATE THAT FROM HAPPENING, UH, THEN WE WOULD CHANGE THE CODE.

SO WE, WE HAVE DEFINITELY HEARD ALL OF THE COMMENTS, UM, AT THAT DETAILED LEVEL.

THE OTHER TYPE OF COMMENTS WOULD BE LOCATION SPECIFIC, AND IN PARTICULAR, MOST OF THEM ARE REFERRING MORE TO, UM, OUR COMMUNITY FOCUS AREAS.

AND SO THE, THE TWO THAT THE PLAN IS PROPOSING TO, TO DO OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS WOULD BE WEST SEDONA COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND UPTOWN.

UH, AND THE DIFFERENCE WITH UPTOWN, BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A DRAFT PLAN, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA COMBINE THAT WITH THE RANGER ROAD AREA, UH, MUCH LARGER AREA.

UM, SO BASICALLY THE PLAN IS GIVING DIRECTION TO THAT NEXT LEVEL OF PLANNING.

AND I DIDN'T PUT THE UMBRELLA, BUT I DID IN A SLIDE COMING UP, SO, OH, I GUESS I FORGOT TO FILL THAT IN.

IN ALIGNMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH THE PLAN.

UM, THIS ONE IS SOMETHING THAT STEVEN AND I WANTED TO BRING UP.

UM, AT THE LAST MEETING FEBRUARY 28TH, THERE WAS A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT POLICY VERSUS STRATEGY AND COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION.

FEBRUARY 28TH WAS TO CHANGE POLICY TO STRATEGY.

AND THAT DOES SHOW IN YOUR NUMBER FOUR DRAFT.

UM, BUT AFTER WE HAD TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, WE KIND OF WANNA BRING THAT UP AGAIN WITH YOU ALL.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT POINTS, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

UM, THE WORD POLICY HAS BEEN USED IN THE COM COMMUNITY PLAN SINCE THE CITY'S FIRST PLAN IN 91, I BELIEVE IT WAS.

UM, AND THE WAY THAT THAT WORD IS USED IN THIS PLAN, UM, IS AS A, IT SHOULD GUIDE DECISION MAKING.

UM, AND THAT WOULD BE DECISIONS MADE BY COUNCIL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, CITY MANAGEMENT, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND THEN THAT WOULD TRICKLE DOWN TO PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS, PRIORITIES AND FUNDING.

UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION, 'CAUSE I, I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T THINK OF THIS ONE.

UM, THE POLICIES ALSO GIVE DIRECTION TO DEVELOPERS.

SO IF THEY ARE COMING IN WITH A PROPOSAL, WE HOPE THAT THEY HAVE LOOKED AT OUR COMMUNITY PLAN AND ARE

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UM, ALSO PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES.

SO THAT COULD BE CURRENT, UM, OR IT COULD BE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE LOOKING TO OPEN A BUSINESS OR DEVELOP PROPERTY OR EVEN JUST MOVE HERE.

UM, THE PLAN WOULD PROVIDE, UM, GUIDANCE FOR THEM AS WELL.

UM, AND THEN ANOTHER POINT THAT WE, WE WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT THE STATE STATUTE, WHICH WE DID REFERENCE JUST BRIEFLY, UH, LAST TIME, USES THE TERM POLICY THROUGHOUT.

UM, AND SO EXAMPLES, JUST THE BASIC STATEMENT, UM, ABOUT A GENERAL PLAN CONSISTING OF GOALS AND POLICIES.

AND THEN AS YOU READ THROUGH, UM, THIS PART OF THE, UM, LET'S SEE.

YEAH, SO POLICIES AND IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES IS USED QUITE OFTEN IF YOU READ THROUGH THE STATUTE.

AND WHAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING IS THAT THEY TERM IT AS, UM, POLICIES AND IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES.

SO I GUESS KIND OF MY READ ON THAT IS THAT STRATEGIES ARE MORE IMPLEMENTATION ORIENTED, UM, AND POLICIES ARE MORE GENERAL.

AND THE REASON WE WANTED TO BRING THIS UP IS THAT THE PLAN WENT THROUGH A 60 DAY REVIEW AND THEN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, UM, WITH THE TERM POLICY.

AND SO I GUESS OUR CONCERN IS JUST THAT THAT MIGHT CHANGE THE MEANING OF SOME OF THESE STATEMENTS IF THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE POLICIES AS OPPOSED TO SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SEE A STRATEGY AS MORE ACTION ORIENTED.

SO THAT'S JUST OUR PITCH FOR, UM, WANTING TO RETAIN THE TERM POLICY AS OPPOSED TO STRATEGY.

AND STEVE MIGHT WANNA CHIME IN.

I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT WE DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON MANY OTHER CITY'S GENERAL PLANS AND, UM, THE CONSENSUS IS, UH, THE USE OF THE WORD POLICIES.

SO TO KEEP IN, IN LINE WITH THOSE AS WELL.

WE CAN MOVE ON.

WE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT ONE.

DO YOU HAVE CONSENSUS ON, UH, WE GO FIND, TO GO BACK TO POLICY INSTEAD OF STRATEGY? OKAY.

QUESTION.

MAYOR, PLEASE, PETE.

THANKS CYNTHIA AND STEVE FOR THAT.

AND I CAN, I CAN SEE THE POINTS THAT YOU MAKE ABOUT IT BEING HISTORICAL IN USE.

MY QUESTION JUST LEFT TO ME FROM READING YOUR PAGE, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICIES VERSUS STRATEGIES.

I GET IT, YOU MENTIONED IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES, BUT THIS DOCUMENT IS FULL OF HOUSING ACTIONS.

HOW DOES THAT LAYER IN THERE AS WELL? IN PART OF OUR RESEARCH THAT WE WERE DOING, UM, IT VARIES AS TO THE LANGUAGE THAT AT LEAST IF WE STICK WITH ARIZONA, BUT IT'S TYPICAL NATIONWIDE.

UM, SOME PEOPLE USE STRATEGIES INTERCHANGEABLY WITH ACTIONS, AND THERE ARE SOME THAT USE STRATEGIES IN PLACE OF POLICIES.

UM, SO YOU COULD GO EITHER WAY.

I GUESS IF, IF I WERE TO CHANGE ANYTHING, I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAT AN ACTION WOULD BE A STRATEGY STRATEGY AS OPPOSED TO A POLICY BEING A STRATEGY, OR, OR, OR WE COULD JUST HAVE SOME REFERENCE WORDS IN THE DOCUMENT THAT ACTIONS OR STRATEGIES.

BUT YES, AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT TOO.

WE TALKED ABOUT OUR LAST MEETING AS WELL, IS REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, LET'S DEFINE IT BETTER IN, IN THE CODE OR IN THE PLAN.

SO AS I MENTIONED, UH, WE ENDED WITH THE LAND USE CHAPTER.

SO WE WILL START UP THE DISCUSSION WITH HOUSING, AND WE'VE GOT, LET'S SEE, HOUSING, ENVIRONMENT, ECONOMY, AND IMPLEMENTATION.

SO I CAN GO THROUGH THE SLIDES THERE.

THEY'RE NOT THAT MANY SLIDES THAT COVER THINGS LIKE CHANGES, REVISIONS.

AND THEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN END THAT AND OPEN IT FOR FULL DISCUSSION AS OPPOSED TO LAST TIME WHERE I WOULD GIVE A SHORT PRESENTATION ABOUT A CHAPTER, THEN YOU GUYS WOULD TALK.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS.

LET, LET'S MOVE ON THE MOST, UH, QUICKEST WAY.

SO GO THROUGH YOUR CHAPTER.

WE WON'T INTERRUPT YOU, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO IT AT THE END.

SO FOR THE HOUSING CHAPTER, A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WANTED TO POINT OUT.

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UM, WHAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE 2013 PLAN? WE, IT, IN THE OLD PLAN, IT WAS LAND USE AND HOUSING, BECAUSE HOUSING HAS BECOME SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

UM, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SEPARATE THAT OUT AND MAKE HOUSING AS A STANDALONE CHAPTER.

UM, OTHER CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE 2013, AND SOME OF THESE WERE ACTION ITEMS IN THE PLAN, UH, WE NOW HAVE A HOUSING PROGRAM WITH TWO STAFF, UH, HOUSING MANAGER AND COORDINATOR.

UM, AND SO THAT EXPANDS THE CITY'S ABILITIES BEYOND WHAT WAS POSSIBLE IN 2013.

AND THEN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ABOUT HOUSING.

THAT WAS, I WOULD SAY THE, THE BIGGEST TOPIC.

UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HELD ADDITIONAL, UM, WORKSHOPS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND IN PARTICULAR WE HAD OUR, OUR BIGGER WORKSHOP AT THE SCHOOL IN APRIL OF 23.

AND THEN IN AUGUST THERE WAS A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS THAT WERE HOSTED BY MEMBERS OF OUR WORK GROUP.

UM, AND SO WE, WE THANK THEM IMMENSELY FOR DOING THAT.

IT WAS A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT.

UM, WE ALSO DID SOME IN SPANISH, UH, WORKING WITH THE NORTHERN ARIZONA INTERFAITH COUNCIL.

UM, AND WE ALSO WANT TO THANK THEM AS WELL FOR HELPING US ORGANIZE THAT.

UM, SO A LOT OF, UH, DISCUSSION WENT INTO THAT AND FED INTO, UH, SOME OF THE POLICIES AND ACTIONS.

AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD FROM, FROM OUR VOLUNTEERS IS THAT ONE OF THE, THE BIG BENEFITS OF DOING THAT DETAILED LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS THAT IT FELT LIKE PEOPLE HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AFTERWARDS OF THE HOUSING SITUATION.

UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF MAYBE MISCONCEPTIONS OUT THERE OR, OR JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING TERMINOLOGY OR WHAT THE SITUATION IN THE CITY IS.

UM, SO THAT WAS HELPFUL.

NOW WE GET TO CIRCULATION AND CHANGES FROM THE PLAN.

THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES.

UM, THE 2013 PLAN, WHEN THEY DID COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, TAKE THAT UP DURING THE CIRCULATION PART.

SHOULD WE STICK TO HOUSING? LET'S STICK.

WELL, I WAS GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THESE, EVERY FIVE SLIDES MAYBE.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT? LET'S GET YEAH, WE OKAY.

UM, SO CIRCULATION A LOT HAS HAPPENED.

UM, WE DID THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, AND I THINK ALL OF THESE ITEMS THAT ARE MENTIONED HERE ARE ACTION ITEMS IN THE 2013 PLAN.

UM, SO WE DID A TRANSPORTATION PLAN, A TRANSIT PLAN, BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN PLAN.

AND THEN OUT OF ALL OF THAT CAME THE SEDONA AND MOTION PROJECTS.

UM, SO 2023, OOPS, I MEANT TO SAY 2013 AND 2023.

TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS THE NUMBER ONE TOPIC.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE FELT LIKE WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THIS TIME AROUND IS THAT PARKING BECAME MORE OF AN ISSUE, UM, AND IN MULTIPLE AREAS, WHETHER IT'S TRAILHEAD PARKING OR UPTOWN PARKING.

UM, SO IT DOES HAVE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, CONTENT TALKING ABOUT PARKING AND POLICIES RELATED TO PARKING.

UM, YEAH, SO THAT COVERS THAT ONE.

SO STICKING WITH THE CIRCULATION, HERE'S OUR UMBRELLA, UM, OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE COMMUNITY PLAN TAKES PLANNING INTO PROJECTS.

SO AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, COMMUNITY PLAN WOULD HAVE AN ACTION ITEM TO DO THESE MORE DETAILED PLANS, AND THEN THOSE PLANS WOULD COME UP WITH THE SPECIFICS FOR ACTUAL PROJECTS.

UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE SODA SEDONA IN MOTION, UM, OUR NEW STEPS, WHICH IS, UH, SEDONA TRAILS AND PATHWAY SYSTEM.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE SHUTTLE AND TRANSIT PROGRAM.

SO THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU A, A PICTURE OF HOW THINGS SHOULD FILTER DOWN FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

AND THEN WE DID HAVE A CHANGE, UH, RECOMMENDED FROM P AND Z.

THERE WAS A POLICY OR IS A POLICY EXPLORER TRANSFERRING, UM, STATE ROUTE 89 A FROM STATE TO CITY.

AND THEY WANTED TO ADD IN THERE ALSO EXPLORE, UM, TRANSFER OF 1 79,

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UM, WITHIN CITY LIMITS.

AND SO THAT WAS THEIR ONLY CHANGE ON CIRCULATION.

AND IF WE MOVE ON TO ENVIRONMENT, YES.

WHO PUT THE 89 A INTO THE PLAN TO BEGIN WITH? UH, THAT ONE GROUP OR THAT ONE WAS, UM, BOTH COMMUNITY BUT ALSO PUBLIC WORKS CITY.

PUBLIC WORKS.

PUT IN TAKING OF THE EX EXPLORING OF TAKING, YES.

I'LL SEE MY COMMENTS.

I'LL LATER.

, WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT ONE.

UH, ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY, UM, THAT WAS REALLY BEEFED UP FROM OUR 2013 PLAN.

UH, SUSTAINABILITY WAS GIVEN A LOT MORE EMPHASIS.

UM, ALSO OAK CREEK, UM, OPEN SPACE.

WE JUST MOVED THAT FROM OUR PARKS CHAPTER INTO THE ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY.

IT SEEMED TO FIT BETTER THERE.

UM, RECREATION MANAGEMENT HAS MORE POLICIES, UM, AND THEN INNOVATIVE GREEN BUILDING ALSO HAS A LOT MORE POLICIES THAN OUR 2013 PLAN.

AND THEN PNZ DID HAVE QUITE A FEW SUGGESTIONS ON THE ENVIRONMENT, UM, AND I SHOULD HAVE HIGHLIGHTED.

UM, BUT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PLAN, WE CAN GO THROUGH THESE MORE SPECIFICALLY WHERE THEY ADDED IN, UM, NOT NECESSARILY ALL NEW POLICIES, BUT ELEMENTS OF THE POLICIES.

AND AGAIN, I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE DISCUSSION, I CAN BRING THIS SLIDE BACK UP AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM.

UM, NOW ENVIRONMENT, AGAIN, WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T MEET WITH EVERYBODY WE WANTED TO AS FAR AS NATURAL RESOURCES BEFORE WE GOT THE DRAFT TO YOU ALL.

SO SINCE THAT TIME, WE MET WITH FOREST SERVICE, UH, GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY.

UM, AND THE DISCUSSION WAS AROUND URBAN WILDLIFE, UM, INVASIVE SPECIES, UM, FOREST MANAGEMENT, ET CETERA.

AND SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF POLICIES.

AND THIS CAME ABOUT BY LOOKING AT ALL OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WERE A LOT OF LIKE SPECIFIC THINGS.

AND WE CAME UP WITH CONDENSING THAT DOWN INTO A ONE POLICY AND ONE ACTION.

UM, BASICALLY PROVIDING MORE EDUCATION AND RESOURCES ABOUT LIVING IN THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE, UM, FOR PROPERTY OWNERS AND FOR BUSINESSES, UM, THAT WOULD ADDRESS URBAN WILDLIFE, LANDSCAPING, WATER CONSERVATION, INVASIVE SPECIES MANAGEMENT, UM, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH AGENCIES AND NONPROFITS.

AND THEN THE, UH, RELATED ACTION ITEM, UM, WAS THAT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA TO GET TOGETHER A WORK GROUP, UM, NOT JUST OF OUR PARTNERS, THE AGENCY PARTNERS, UM, BUT YOU COULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, ET CETERA.

UM, SO THAT CAME FROM OUR AGENCY PARTNERS INPUT, UM, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN TO THE PLAN AND ECONOMY AND TOURISM.

THE CHANGES TO THE 2013 PLAN ARE THAT UNFORTUNATELY TOURISM KIND OF HAD A MINOR ROLE IN THE 2013 PLAN.

AND THAT WAS, UM, UP THERE IN THE TOP THREE ISSUES FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT SINCE 2013.

UM, SO THERE IS A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT TOURISM.

UM, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IT WAS KEPT RELATIVELY BRIEF KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A NEW TOURISM PROGRAM THAT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPING, UM, A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR TOURISM AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND WITH THE NEW ADVISORY BOARD.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE TOURISM SECTION IS PROBABLY NOT AS ROBUST AS IT COULD BE BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THAT IS COMING, UM, DOWN THE ROAD.

AND SO IT MIGHT BE EASIER NOW TO JUST OPEN IT UP AND THAT WAY YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO FOLLOW, UM, EACH CHAPTER THE WAY WE DID LAST TIME.

AND THEN THE IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER, UH, WE DID HAVE A FEW CHANGES FOR THE MAJOR AND MINOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA, AND I'M THINKING THAT WE MIGHT WANNA WAIT TILL WE GET TO DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE.

THAT ONE'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX.

UM, SO THAT WAS IT FOR MY RECAP AND UPDATE ON CHANGES.

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'CAUSE WE JUMPED AROUND ANYWAY.

WE DID .

IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO DO IT THAT WAY.

SO, UH, PETE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? I KNOW YOU SAID YOU HAD, I THOUGHT YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

I, I DO.

AND I'M GONNA JUST START IN THE HOUSING SECTION SINCE THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT.

I HAVE OTHER COMMENTS ON THE OTHER SECTIONS AS WELL, BUT I DON'T WANNA TALK FOR AN HOUR.

WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THESE TAKEN CARE OF.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION ABOUT HOUSING IS WE USE THE TERM THROUGHOUT THE HOUSING SECTION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOW WHEN WE USE THAT, HOW DOES STAFF INTERPRETING THE WORD AFFORDABLE, HOW ARE WE USING THAT? AND, AND THE QUESTION I'M LEANING YOU TOWARDS IS, IS IT ALL AFFORDABLE, DEFINED, AFFORDABLE PROJECTS? LITECH AND THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE KNOW ARE AS AFFORDABLE INCLUDE LOWER SQUARE FOOT MARKET RATE STUFF THAT IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

ON PAGE 54, WE HAVE A VERY BRIEF AND SIMPLE, UM, DESCRIPTION OF AFFORDABLE, WHICH IS THAT IT COSTS NO MORE THAN 30% OF A HOUSEHOLD'S INCOME.

AND SHANNON AND JEANNIE ARE HERE IF, IF YOU WANT A MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION.

UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT IS COMMONLY USED FOR EXAMPLE, WITH FUNDING, UM, GRANTS, THAT SORT OF THING.

AND AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I DID SEE THAT IN THE, IN THE DRAFTS AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING .

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND GET TO AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

WHETHER IT'S THROUGH HOUSING STAFF OR YOU FOLKS OR SURE, SURE.

SO I BELIEVE IT, IT DOES, UH, ENCOMPASS WHAT CYNTHIA WAS STA STATING THAT 30% WILL GIVE US A RANGE FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE AND INCOME LEVELS.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE ALSO HAVE SOME ACTION ITEMS IN HERE THAT IDENTIFY LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT CODES TO TRY TO MAKE CONSTRUCTION, UH, THE, THE COST OF BUILDING LOWER AND THUS MAYBE LOWER THE COST OF HOMES.

AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, STEVE.

AND, AND AGAIN, I GET STUCK HERE THINKING THAT ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T SAY IT, THAT BOX THAT WE'VE GOT ABOUT WHAT IS AFFORDABLE DOESN'T SAY THAT MARKET RATE HOUSING CAN DELIVER HOUSING THAT COSTS IN THAT, THAT INCOME RANGE.

IT'S POSSIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER TRYING TO DO SOMETHING IN SEDONA, BUT FROM A PHILOSOPHICAL STANDPOINT, MARKET RATE CAN DELIVER SOME OF THESE KIND OF SOLUTIONS.

AND I'M AFRAID THAT THIS DOCUMENT MAYBE ALMOST BECAUSE OF THAT PARAGRAPH, KIND OF FUNNELS THIS DOWN, ONLY PRIORITIZING AND TRYING TO WORK ON THESE HARD TO ACHIEVE LITECH REALLY COMPLICATED PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA DELAY THE ACHIEVEMENT OF THE HOW THE, THE REALLY VALUABLE HOUSING GOALS THAT WE HAVE IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT COME .

IS THERE A WAY WE CAN FIX THAT ? I GUESS WE WOULD NEED TO FIND OUT WHETHER COUNCIL WANTS TO PURSUE THAT KIND OF DIRECTION TO BE MORE CLARITY IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THIS ALL IS NOT PRECLUDING MARKET RATE SOLUTIONS.

, MAY I JOIN THAT, THAT QUESTION COMMENT? YES.

I, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COUNCILOR FURMAN THAT, UM, WE NEED HOUSING AND CALL CALLING IT AFFORDABLE.

LIKE I GET IT THAT THAT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE IF IT'S NO MORE THAN 30% OF YOUR INCOME.

BUT I AGREE THAT IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO SAY EVERYTHING'S HAS TO BE GEARED TOWARDS LOW INCOME AGAIN.

SO NOT WANTING TO REPEAT.

TOTALLY AGREE WITH COUNCILOR FURMAN.

WE NEED TO HAVE HOUSING BUILT.

YOU KNOW, THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON WHAT THE ACTUAL ACHIEVABLE RATES ARE IN THE MARKET.

AND, UH, AND, AND I THINK THIS PLAN NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING HOUSING, UH, AS OPPOSED TO MAKING IT SEEM LIKE IT'S SOMEHOW LOW INCOME ORIENTED.

SO THANKS MAYOR.

ON THE SAME TOPIC.

RIGHT? YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE.

AND LOOK AT THE, AND I'M LOSING THE NAME OF THE PROJECT.

, UH, THE LA THE LATEST, NO, SHELBY, NO MARKET HOUSING THAT WAS BUILT.

OPINION, OPINION LOFTS.

OPINION LOFTS.

NO.

THE ONE THAT'S GOING UP NOW, NOT NO OPINION LOFTS.

OPINION LOFTS, THAT'S FULL

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AND THAT'S MARKET.

AND THEY HAD NO PROBLEMS FILLING IT UP AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.

AND IT'S NOT FANCY.

IT'S, I THINK IT'S PRETTY BASIC, BUT IT, IT'S IT'S SET AT MARKET RATE AND THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO BUILD IT.

HE'S PULLING ANOTHER ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

SO I AGREE.

AND I ACTUALLY WANTED TO, TO, IN ON THE STRATEGY 5.1, YOU HAVE MORE, RIGHT? NO, I KNOW TO ADD ADUS IN THERE TOO, BECAUSE I, I'M A PROPONENT OF ADUS.

THINK WE SHOULD BE RESTRICTING OURSELVES TO NOT BEING ABLE TO, TO NOT HAVE THAT IN HERE AS AN OPTION, AS A ALTERNATIVE.

I ALREADY HAD THAT PENCILED IN .

I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF ADUS.

THERE WAS THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT.

IT WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY CLEAR HOW IT COULD HELP US, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE TURNED INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS.

OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE BANNED THEM.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUED AND THEY ARE DOING JUST FINE.

AND OUR APPROACH TO THE A DU ISSUE, UM, IS THAT THE DETAILS OF THAT WOULD BE COVERED DURING THE, UH, AMENDMENTS TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING.

AND WE HAD BROUGHT THAT FORTH EARLIER, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE READY TO BRING FORTH.

AGAIN, IF, IF, UH, COUNSELS, UH, SO CHOOSES, WELL HAVING IT IN THE PLAN WOULDN'T HURT AS LONG AS IT'S, WE HAVE TO WORK ON IT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES.

AND, AND OTHERS.

SO I, I GET THAT.

SO I WOULD BE OPEN TO, TO HAVING IT IN A PLAN AND THEN SEEING HOW IT PENCILS OUT.

'CAUSE I, IF WE, IF WE COULD RESTRICT THEM SO THEY COULDN'T BE SHORT TERM RENTALS, I GET IT, THAT'S FINE.

BUT THAT'S WHAT BEEN A STICKING POINT FOR ME FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING TO THE INVENTORY OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.

PEOPLE GET, GET BACK TO YOU.

I DIDN'T FORGET YOU.

SO, UM, BRIAN, YOU WANNA ON THE SAME TOPIC? YEAH.

ON THIS A DU THING.

SO IS IT THAT WE WOULD EXPLORE THEM AS OPPOSED TO SAYING WE WANT TO PURSUE THEM IN THIS PLAN? BE EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, ON PAGE, UH, 54 ON STRATEGY 5.1.

IT SAYS EXAMPLES OF ALTERNATIVES.

IT JUST AN EXAMPLE.

AT LEAST IT JUST WOULD THE LAST SENTENCE IN STRATEGY 5.1, RIGHT? RIGHT.

JUST ADDING ADUS IS AN EXAMPLE.

ARE WE GOOD WITH THE SAME TOPIC? ALRIGHT, THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO PETE, LET HIM FINISH HIS QUESTIONS.

UH, DID WE GET ENOUGH DIRECTION ON MY AFFORDABILITY LANGUAGE? YEAH, NO.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH.

I'M SUPPORTIVE.

BRIAN, UH, MELISSA, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE? I'M CONCERNED.

PLEASE SHARE.

UM, I'M JUST, I I JUST GET CONCERNED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MARKET RATE, WHETHER YOU HAVE MARKET FORCES THAT WILL DRIVE THE PRICES DOWN OR NOT.

WHAT YOU END UP DOING IS BUILDING A LOT OF APARTMENTS THAT EITHER PEOPLE ARE LEASING, BASICALLY THEY'RE LEASING 'EM AS IF THEY WERE THEIR SECOND HOME, AND THEN THEY'RE SUBLETTING THEM AND TURNING THEM INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AND SO THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY BACK ON THEIR, ON THEIR RENT RATE BY HAVING SOMEBODY ELSE PAY FOR IT WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH, WITH MARKET RATE.

IT'S NOT AIMED AT PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, UM, EARNING $15 AN HOUR OR $18 AN HOUR.

IT'S STILL POTENTIALLY $2,300 FOR A 900 SQUARE FOOT ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT BECAUSE THEY'LL FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL RENT THAT AND THEN THEY'LL JUST TURN AROUND AND THEY'RE GONNA SUBLET IT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO IN THEIR LEASE.

AND THEY'RE, WE'RE JUST INCREASING THE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS POTENTIALLY OF, OF STRS JUST A DIFFERENT FORMAT.

SO, UM, AND, AND I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN.

I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN IN LONDON, UM, AND OTHER PLACES IN EUROPE.

SO THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN AROUND US JUST SAYING, GO, GO FORTH AND BUILD AS MANY APARTMENTS AND TOWN HOMES AND WHATEVER THAT YOU WANNA BUILD ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT MARKET FORCES WILL COME INTO PLAY AND PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

BRIAN, YOU HAD SOMETHING? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW A PROPERTY MANAGER WORTH THEIR SALT THAT WOULD ALLOW A TENANT TO SUBLET THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT PERMISSION.

SO JUST DEPENDS OF THE LEASE.

I'M NOT GONNA TOUCH, SO CAN, CAN I JUST JUMP IN REAL QUICK AND MAYBE I CAN PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TOO? OH, VOICE OUTTA THE PAST.

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UM, I THINK THESE ARE ALL GOOD COMMENTS.

THE WAY, UM, OUR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WORKS RIGHT NOW IS THAT, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE LAND THAT'S ACTUALLY ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU, THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT COULD PROBABLY BE USED, BUT, SO THERE'S THAT.

UM, ALSO THE WAY OUR CODE IS ANYTHING OVER 12 UNITS PER ACRE DOES REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF ASSURANCES THAT THIS WILL BE USED FOR LONG-TERM RENTAL OR ELSE WE DON'T APPROVE THAT DENSITY.

UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE.

UM, THE NAVAJO LOFTS PROJECT THAT YOU REFERENCED JUST HAS A NO SHORT-TERM RENTAL, NO SUBLEASING, UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CLAUSE.

THE OPINION LOFTS PROJECT HAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR.

UM, BECAUSE THEY WENT OVER THAT 12 UNITS PER ACRE, THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING.

UM, SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE THERE, BUT WE HAVE, UM, HAD SUCCESS IN DOING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH DEVELOPERS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

VICE MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OKAY, THEN TAKE IT BACK TO PETE, UH, ON SUPPORTING, UH, HIS SUGGESTION CHANGE IN LANGUAGE TO ENCOURAGE MARKET RATE.

AFFORDABLE.

YOU MEAN BY MARKET RATE? YOU BASICALLY ON THE MIC, PLEASE.

PARDON ME? NO, YOU MEAN UNSUBSIDIZED? CORRECT.

BECAUSE AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE GUY WHO DID PINION, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO DO IT THAT WAY.

HE, HE WANTED, HE COULD RENT THEM FOR MUCH MORE MONEY.

SO I HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I STILL HAVE THAT CONCERN THAT, THAT THE CLARIFICATION, I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS GREAT IN THEORY.

I THINK YOU HAVE ONE DEVELOPER WHO'S WANTED TO DO IT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M, I THINK THAT CERTAINLY AT THE CULTURE PARK, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME ROBUST MARKET RATE OR A HOTEL TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE INCOME TO SUBSIDIZE ANY, ANYTHING THAT IS AFFORDABLE.

SO I'M, I'M, I'M IFFY ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT.

UM, I JUST, I THINK THE, THE COST OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SHOWS YOU WHAT MARKET FORCES DO.

UM, YOU KNOW, BUT DO YOU, DO YOU SUPPORT THE CHANGING OF THE LANGUAGE AS, AS PETE HAS SUGGESTED? I DON'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT MARKET RATE.

UM, I SUP YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO IT, THAT'S FINE.

I JUST THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT WORKS.

CAN WE DO A THUMBS UP THUMB, THUMBS DOWN FOR PETE'S, UH, SUGGESTION.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4.

42.

WE HAVE TWO.

UH, MELISSA AND JESSICA ARE AGAINST.

MY VIEW, RIGHT, THIS IS JUST MY VIEW, I WOULD THINK A CHANGE LIKE THIS IN A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT POLICY WOULD HAVE A MORE ROBUST STRUCTURED CONVERSATION ABOUT, HEY, WE USED TO ALWAYS SAY THIS AND WE'RE NOT, AND NOW WE'RE PUTTING IN THIS OTHER LANGUAGE.

MY SECOND TOPIC THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IN THIS HOUSING SECTION RELATES TO A CONVERSATION THAT I, I BROUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT EARLIER DURING OUR LAND USE SECTION, BUT I'M RE-MOTIVATED TO BRING IT UP AGAIN IN THE HOUSING SECTION, UH, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF ERNIE STRAUS, UH, HANDOUT AND COMMENTS THAT HE GAVE TO US LAST NIGHT.

AND IT HAS TO DO ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THIS GROWTH, UM, ISSUE.

SO WE PUT IN THE LAND USE ACTION ABOUT A STRATEGY FOR ANNEXATION.

BUT MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT HISTORICALLY AND OUR COMMUNITY PLANS IN THE PAST, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN LANGUAGE IN HERE ABOUT NOT GROWING OUTSIDE OF OUR CURRENT BOUNDARIES AND PROVIDING HOUSING.

AND COMMERCIAL REALLY IS, IS WHAT THIS LANGUAGE HAS BEEN.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, THERE'S THAT GROWING ONLY WITHIN THE CURRENTLY ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LIMITS IS BOTH ON PAGE 17 AND 25 OF THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY KIND OF USED IN PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLANS AS WELL.

SO I'M OKAY WITH CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITY PLANS, BUT WHAT I'M NOT OKAY WITH IS THAT, THAT I, I VIEW THAT THAT IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT KIND OF CHANGE THAT WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT LANGUAGE AND THEN ACTUALLY ADDED SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT ANNEXATION.

THAT'S A PRETTY BIG CHANGE.

AND I'VE TRIED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE PROCESS OF OUR COMMUNITY PLAN AS MUCH AS I COULD.

AND I CERTAINLY WATCHED THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS AMPED UP AFTER LAST NIGHT'S MEETING, I WASN'T GONNA SLEEP VERY WELL.

SO I KIND OF WATCHED ONCE AGAIN, THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING ON, ON THIS TOPIC AS WELL.

AND I, IN, IN

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AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD REALLY THAT DEPTH OF A CONVERSATION.

AND I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK ANY OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN MEETINGS HAD THAT DEPTH OF A CONVERSATION.

AND SO I I, I DRAFTED SOME LANGUAGE AND WHETHER IT'S A POLICY OR AN ACTION, UH, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I, I WILL READ THAT TO YOU OF, OF WHAT MY THINKING IS.

AN AN INTENT THAT WE HAVE.

UM, BUT I WILL, I WILL JUST TELL YOU, I WILL ADMIT, YOU KNOW, AS I SIT HERE TODAY THAT PHILOSOPHICALLY I'M ANTI SPRAWL.

I JUST FROM A SUSTAINABILITY AND A ECOLOGICAL MINDSET THAT MY VIEW IS THAT WE SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS WITHIN OUR CURRENT BOUNDARIES BEFORE WE GO MESSING SOMETHING ELSE UP, RIGHT? AND SO THAT, THAT IS MY PHILOSOPHY AND THAT MAY NOT BE SHARED WITH EVERYBODY, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGE IN, IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF.

SO, AND, AND MY BIG CONCERN HERE IS THAT WE'RE DOING SOME GREAT CHANGES IN ADDITIONS IN THIS DOCUMENT TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, HOUSING DIVERSITY AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.

AND I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING ON IT AND BEFORE.

AND WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA ENGAGE IN A MASTER PLANNING ACT, UH, ACTIVITY AT THE CULTURAL PARK.

AND IF ANNEXATION AND EXPANSION HOUSING BEYOND OUR CURRENT BOUNDARIES IS ON THE TABLE, IT'S GONNA DILUTE FROM THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ABOUT THE CULTURAL PARK.

AND I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT THE CULTURAL PARK AND THE DENSIFICATION, UH, CHANGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ON 89 A AND WEST SEDONA IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO GO TO SOLVE THE HOUSING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN.

ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

SO HERE'S SOME LANGUAGE THAT I GINNED UP MYSELF LAST NIGHT, , AND IT, IT READS LIKE THIS.

I'LL READ IT A COUPLE TIMES.

UH, I APOLOGIZE THAT I DIDN'T GET TO SUBMIT IT, BUT I LITERALLY WROTE THIS LANGUAGE LAST NIGHT AND NOW IT WAS AFTER A LONG DAY AND I DIDN'T SLEEP VERY WELL.

I DIDN'T SLEEP WITH, OH, MAYBE DAY, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT, BUT HERE WE GO FOR THE TERM OF THIS PLAN.

PRIORITIZE HOUSING GROWTH WITHIN THE CURRENT CITY LIMITS BY FOCUSING OUR HOUSING DIVERSITY AND AFFORDABILITY EFFORTS TO THE CULTURAL PARK, THE MIXED USE IN COMMERCIAL AREAS, PRINCIPALLY IN WEST SEDONA, RIGHT? SO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I'M THINKING BEHIND THE CHOICE OF THOSE WORDS FOR THE TERM OF THIS PLAN.

THAT LANGUAGE IS MEANT TO INCLUDE, THAT IT'S FOR THIS PLAN, NOT NECESSARILY FOR ALL OF FUTURE, RIGHT? WE CAN SOLVE OUR HOUSING PRO, UH, UH, WE CAN START TO SOLVE OUR HOUSING ISSUES MAYBE WITHIN THE TERM OF THIS PLAN.

AND I MIGHT BE MORE OPEN TO A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF OUR, OUR TOWN.

BUT I'M SAYING FOR THE TERM OF THIS PLAN, THE NEXT 10 YEARS HOUSING GROWTH, WE PRIORITIZE HOUSING GROWTH WITHIN THE CURRENT CITY LIMITS.

THAT MEANS WE DON'T RESTRICT IT ONLY, BUT WE PRIORITIZE IT.

WE'RE OPEN-MINDED TO DOING OTHER THINGS, BUT WE SHOULD PRIORITIZE STAYING WITHIN OUR CURRENT CITY LIMITS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I SAY BY FOCUSING OUR HOUSING DIVERSITY AND AFFORDABILITY EFFORTS, THOSE ARE THE TWO CHAPTERS IN THE PLAN TO THE CULTURAL PARK, THE MIXED USE AND THE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE, IN THE, UH, UH, LAND USE, UH, SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT.

AND THEN I JUST, IN CASE PEOPLE AREN'T CLEAR, THOSE ARE ALL PRINCIPALLY IN WEST SEDONA, BUT THE WORD PRINCIPALLY IS IN THERE ONCE AGAIN TO SAY, I'M NOT FIXED.

WE DON'T HAVE TO ONLY DO IT IN THERE, BUT WE SHOULD PRIORITIZE AND PRINCIP, UH, PRIORITIZE OUR ACTIONS WITHIN THAT ZONE.

SO THAT I, THAT'S MY CONCERN, MY POTENTIAL SOLUTION IS THAT WHETHER IT'S A, A POLICY, A STRATEGY POLICY, I THINK WE'RE CHANGING BACK TO POLICY OR AN ACTION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

MAYBE PHILOSOPHICALLY IT WOULD FIT BETTER IN ONE PLACE OR ANOTHER WITH YOU FOLKS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

ARE YOU GOOD? YES, JESSICA, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.

I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY GOOD LANGUAGE.

UM, I, I'M LOOKING FORWARD, I THINK I, I DON'T LIKE PRIMARILY IN WEST SEDONA BECAUSE I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO DUPLEXES IN TRIPLEXES, NOT ONLY PRIMARILY IN WESTONA ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

UM, SO I, I I DON'T LIKE THE WORD PRI PRIMARILY FOR THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE

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I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT EXCLUDING IT, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD LAND PE IT WOULD LAND SUPPORT TO ANYBODY WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO DO ANYTHING IN MY AREA.

SO I, I LIKE, I I, I LIKE YOUR CONCEPT.

I TOTALLY AGREE.

WE SHOULD FOCUS HOUSING.

UM, I, I THINK ANNEXATION IS SOMETHING THAT NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT, BUT IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, I WANT TO, I WANT TO DO IT IN SEDONA, BUT I WANT TO DO IT FOR POTENTIALLY CITYWIDE.

SO IF WE CAN JUST CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE, I WOULD BE HAPPY.

THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

THANKS MA'AM.

SO THESE THINGS ARE NOT NECESSARILY, UH, IF WE HAVE A A ANNEXATION, WE HAVE A PRIORITY FOR BUILD BUILDING HOUSING WITHIN OUR BORDERS.

SO I THINK THAT WE'RE JUST OPENING, WE'RE BEING BROADER.

UH, AND SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANTED HIM TO CHANGE.

YOU DIDN'T WANT IT TO SAY WEST SEDONA? TRY.

MY, THE, THE LAST PART OF MY, UH, MY, MY STATEMENT WAS PRINCIPALLY IN WEST SEDONA.

AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING STRIKING THE PRINCIPALLY IN WEST SEDONA PART OF THAT STATEMENT.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I I I DON'T WANT IT TO BE, WE CAN'T TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT LATER.

AND AT THAT TIME YOU CAN FILL OUT A CALL, FILL OUT A CARD, AND YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO SAY.

BUT WE DON'T TAKE COMMENTS JUST FROM THE AUDIENCE.

UH, DID, WERE YOU COMPLETED? YES, MELISSA AND BRIAN.

HMM.

SO LIKE THE VICE MAYOR, I DON'T THINK THAT ANNEXATION AND SAYING WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS BUILDING MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WHICH POLICY YOU WERE LOOKING AT TO CHANGE, WHICH IS I THINK WHERE THE VICE MAYOR WAS GOING.

LIKE, OF ALL THESE POLICIES HERE, WERE YOU TRYING TO REWORD SOMETHING SPECIFIC? NO.

EITHER ADDING A NEW POLICY OR A HOUSING ACTION.

I, I, I, I DON'T HAVE A PHILOSOPHY ABOUT WHERE THIS GOES AND IT MAY, THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE MAY FIT BETTER IN ONE OF THE OTHER SURE.

CATEGORIES IN, IN YOUR OPINION.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR YOUR QUESTION, IT WASN'T A MODIFICATION OF ANY OF OUR POLICIES.

IT WAS POTENTIALLY A NEW POLICY AND, AND DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANNEXATION PER SE.

NO, IT'S MORE ABOUT HOUSING, WHICH IS WHY I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED 'CAUSE YOU BROUGHT IT UP IN TERMS OF ANNEXATION AND, AND SPRAWL.

UM, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF, WE SHOULD START WITH THE LANDS WE HAVE INSIDE OF THE CITY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE THE IDEA OF ANNEXATION.

LAST NIGHT WE KEPT HEARING THE DELLS, THE DELLS, THE DELLS, THE DELLS, THE DELLS.

AND QUITE HONESTLY, THE DELLS ARE NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

AND SO IF WE REALLY WANTED TO PUT THE DELLS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO ANNEXATION.

SO I THINK THEY'RE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, WHATEVER IT IS WE DECIDE TO DO WITH THE DELLS.

UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THE CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THE DELLS FOR 10 YEARS.

I THINK THAT THAT'S WAY TOO LONG FOR US TO NOT HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

SO I'M OKAY WITH US SAYING, LET'S FOCUS WITH THE LANDS WE HAVE NOW, AND IF THAT MEANS WE NEED CFA CHANGES, LET'S GET THAT PROCESS GOING.

IF THAT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPER INCENTIVES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DO.

I'M MAKING STUFF UP HERE AS WE GO ALONG.

SO JUST NOD YOUR HEAD AND HUMOR ME.

SO WHATEVER IT IS WE, WE NEED TO DO AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, THEN I'M OKAY WITH US GIVING THAT DIRECTION.

UM, I'M OKAY WITH YOUR WORDING AGAIN, LIKE, LIKE COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON, I'D LIKE TO NOT JUST FOCUS IT, UM, ON WEST SEDONA, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER WE HAVE PROPERTIES, IF PEOPLE WANNA BUILD THERE AND THEY WANNA BUILD THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER THEN BACK TO YOUR, YOUR MARKET RATE AND WHATEVER CONSIDERATIONS, THEN WE SHOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.

THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH LAND.

IF I COULD MAYOR AND, YOU KNOW, APOLOGIZE IF MY PRESENTATION ISN'T CRYSTAL CLEAR AT, AT THE START THAT YES, IT'S A GOOD CATCH THOUGH.

I, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE ANNEXATION ACTIVITY IS SEPARATE FROM WHERE WE'RE GONNA GROW OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS HOUSING ACTIVITY.

AND SO I'M, I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT WE KILL THE ANNEXATION LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD IN THE LAND USE ACTION.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY A NEW POLICY OR A NEW HOUSING ACTION BECAUSE THIS LANGUAGE IS FOCUSED ON HOUSING GROWTH.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP AT, WELL I BROUGHT UP THIS SECTION BECAUSE WE'RE ON HOUSING AND I DID IT LAST NIGHT, SO THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME.

BUT YEAH.

GOOD.

CAN I, CAN I SAY ONE THING BEFORE YOU START? 'CAUSE

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IT'S IN THIS.

BECAUSE THERE IS ALSO IN HERE ABOUT EXPLORING THE, THE DELLS AND I AND SO WE'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ON THAT EITHER.

WE CAN GO DOWN MULTIPLE PATHS, THE ACTIONS.

BRIAN, IN THE INTEREST OF EXPEDIENCY, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON'S ALTERATION TO COUNCILOR FURMAN'S LANGUAGE .

AND I DO NOT SEE ANY MUTUAL EXCLUSIVITY RELATED TO THE DELL'S.

LET'S MOVE ON.

RIGHT? DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? I BELIEVE WE ARE UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS.

DOES THAT HELP YOU, CYNTHIA? YES.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE HONOR.

ARE YOU ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT FOR HOUSING.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR HOUSING? CAN I STILL HAVE, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE 89 A AND SOME THINGS.

OH YES, SORRY, I DID HAVE GO FOR IT.

POLICY 5.3.

MAYBE I'M JUST PICKING THIS, THIS IDEA OF ENCOURAGING COLLABORATION AMONG EMPLOYERS TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

SO I, AND, AND I REALIZE THIS IS POLICY AND NOT HOW TO, BUT LIKE HOW DO WE MAKE SURE SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS ON THIS AND THAT THE NEXT COMMUNITY WORKING GROUP IN 10 YEARS ISN'T LOOKING AT THIS AND GOING, WELL, YEAH, NOTHING HAPPENED ON THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MORE TEETH TO PUT INTO THAT AT ALL OR NOT, BUT IF THERE IS, I'D SURE LIKE TO, TO SEE IT.

AND I DON'T, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO PROPOSE.

AND, AND IT MAY WELL BE THAT IT'S A, AN ACTION TO TAKE THAT'S AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

THAT IT'S JUST SIMPLY STAFF ASSIGNMENT OR, OR WHATNOT.

SO THE, THE NEXT TOPIC FROM, UH, THAT YOU WANT TO GO OVER.

I GUESS THIS IS THE RIGHT PERSON.

SO I ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE YOU WERE GOING PETE.

SO, UM, THIS CAME BACK UP FOR ME AND I WAS CONFUSED AND IT'S PROBABLY MY QUESTIONS ARE ADDRESSED TO THIS BODY.

FROM US TO START THAT PROCESS WELL OR DO IT ON YOUR OWN BY ADDING IT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND HAVING THIS, UH, UH, PROPOSED, UM, BOTH, UH, THE, THE CONTINUATION OF THE UPTOWN CFA AND THE WEST SEDONA CFA, UM, THAT WAS ALSO A PART OF OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH OF EXPLAINING AND, UH, GETTING FEEDBACK ON WHAT AND WHERE.

UM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE, ONE OF THE, THE ITEMS WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE CFAS FOR UPTOWN AND FOR WEST SEDONA SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.

AND THE PROCESS STARTED FOR INCLUSION OF MULTIFAMILY.

UM, AND THIS BODY SAID, NO, WE SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A NOTE IN THE, UM, FROM THE P AND Z TO EXPAND THE DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE WERE APPROPRIATE AS DETERMINED THROUGH THE CFA PLANNING PROCESS.

MY QUESTION AT THE TIME WAS, ARE WE GIVING THE STAFF THAT DIRECTION TO, TO START THAT CFA PLANNING PROCESS TO LOOK FOR WHETHER OR NOT CHANGES SHOULD BE MADE? AND THE ANSWER FROM THIS BODY WAS NO.

AND I WAS JUST CONFUSED BY THAT.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS WHILE WE'RE SITTING IN HOUSING.

'CAUSE THIS WAS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN CHANGE THE CFA OR START THE PROCESS TO LOOK INTO CHANGING THE CFA.

SO I'M JUST ASKING THIS BODY, I DON'T KNOW IF I NECESSARILY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU, VICE MAYOR CFAS THAT EXIST OR CFAS THAT ARE TO BE DEVELOPED.

UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'M GONNA LOOK TO YOU GUYS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE ALREADY HAVE A CFA FOR WEST SEDONA AND A CFA FOR UPTOWN THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.

IS THAT CORRECT OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE BRAND NEW CFAS? I I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CFA PROCESS.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE.

UM, WHO, WHO ARE WE LOOKING AT JUST SORT OF ALL THOSE VAGUENESS? SURE.

SO, UM, WE HAVE THE WESTERN GATEWAY, CFA, UM, BUT THE CFA IDENTIFIED, UM, IN THE DASHED LINES IN THE WEST SEDONA ON OUR, UH, FLU, OUR FLU, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, IS THE PROPOSAL OF CREATE CREATING A CA WEST SEDONA CFA, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THAT CORRIDOR.

AND THE DISCUSSION WAS, UM, SHOULD WE ADD THIS PARCEL OR THIS PARCEL OR THIS PARCEL OR WHAT, WHAT SHOULD THAT BE? AND THE RESPONSE WAS THOSE ARE THE, THE MORE SPECIFIC LOWER LEVEL THINGS THAT WOULD, UH, BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE DID CREATE THIS CFA.

AND SO, UH, IT WAS DECIDED THAT AT THIS LEVEL, UH, IT IT IT SHOULD NOT BE PLACED AT THIS LEVEL THAT CREATING THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS FOR THE SPECIFIC USES WOULD BE PART OF THAT CFA PROCESS WHEN IT WAS UNDERTOOK.

SO IS THERE, IS THERE ANY INTENTION TO UNDERTAKE SUCH A PROCESS? YES.

THAT, THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION DURING THE WHOLE TIME WAS WHAT DO YOU NEED, IF ANYTHING,

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UM, SO IN, YES, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING DIRECTION ALSO FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN IF APPROVED AS SUCH.

SO THIS, THIS, THIS ABILITY FOR YOU TO MOVE FORWARD, THE DIRECTION BASICALLY TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD COME FROM APPROVAL OF THE PLAN AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

AND NONE OF THIS WAS CHANGED FROM THE, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD.

I'M JUST AGAIN, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE APPROVING WHEN IT COMES TO, TO THIS.

UM, SO IF WE APPROVE THE PLAN AS THIS PIECE STANDS, 'CAUSE IT WAS LAST WEEK, UM, DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND, AND INVESTIGATE INTO THE AREAS WE JUST SAID WE PRIMARILY WANTED TO LOOK AT HOUSING.

WHAT I WANNA KNOW BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, YOU'D HAVE THE DIRECTION, BUT STIFF TIME AND AVAILABILITY PLAY A LOT OF INTO THAT.

AND IF WE MOVE FORWARD ACCORDING TO OUR DIRECTION, AFTER COMPLETING THIS PROCESS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN STAFF IS GONNA BE TAKING ON THE CULTURAL PARK, RIGHT? UH, A QUESTION IS IF THERE'S ENOUGH STAFF TO HANDLE THAT AND THAT'LL BE ON THEM TO HANDLE AS THEY SEE FIT.

AND AS LONG AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE OH, OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, OH, YOU GUYS HAVE TO GO AND DO THIS RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

AS OPPOSED TO GIVING THEM WHEN YOU CAN, WE'VE GIVEN THE DIRECTION THAT SOMETIME WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.

I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

AND CIRCUMSTANCES MAY SAY THAT MAYBE WE DO UPTOWN CFA FIRST.

UM, SO, BUT ABSOLUTELY THE, THE INTENT IS THESE ARE AREAS WE WANT TO EXPLORE.

UM, AND WE'RE NOT SAYING WHICH ONE IS FIRST BECAUSE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE GONNA DEVELOP THAT WILL TELL US WHICH ONE WILL MOVE FIRST.

ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TRANSFER OF 89 A 1 79.

UM, MY THOUGHTS IN, I KNOW COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON AND MYSELF AND, UH, CYNTHIA, YOU WERE HERE JUST HERE DURING THAT.

WERE YOU HERE FOR THAT DISCUSSION? BACK IN, UH, ON 89 A BACK, I DON'T KNOW, 10 YEARS AGO? IT WAS SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME.

OH, I JUST, BUT I HEARD ALL ABOUT IT.

I'M SURE YOU DID.

I COULD TELL YOU OFF AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT IT.

AND IT WAS DIVISIVE.

IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST BAD FOR THIS COMMUNITY IN MY OPINION.

AND IN THINKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, A DOT NEEDS TO DO AN OVERLAY.

LAST I HEARD, I DUNNO HOW MANY YEARS AGO, $20 MILLION TO DO AN OVERLAY.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

WHY DO WE NEED TO GO AND TO SAY, AND I GET IT, DO SOME PEOPLE WANNA SAY, WELL WE GET THE SIX FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF 89 A, WE COULD HAVE THAT, WE COULD DEVELOP THAT.

THAT'S THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THE EASEMENT, WHATEVER.

IT'S TO ME, UH, IT WOULD BE NICE IF ADOT WAS EASY TO WORK WITH.

I'M HOPING NOW WE'RE MAKING IT GETTING A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.

WE'LL KNOW HOPEFULLY SOON.

I'M GONNA BE HAVING A MEETING WITH ADOT NEXT WEEK.

UH, LOOKING FORWARD FOR THEIR PLAN.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING GOOD FOR THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO SIDES VERY STRONG.

AND REMEMBER FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, IT STARTED BECAUSE OF LIGHTS ON 89 A WE WANT LIGHTS, WE DON'T WANT LIGHTS.

AND IT JUST RIPPED THIS COMMUNITY APART FOR A LONG TIME.

AND IT ALSO LEFT A REAL BAD TASTE IN A DOT'S MOUTH.

I DON'T KNOW, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? I'M SORRY.

WHAT IS THE THOUGHT OF P AND Z TO EVEN SUGGEST IT? WHAT WAS, WHAT'S THE END GAME THAT THEY FEEL IT'S WORTH GOING DOWN THAT ROAD AGAIN TO EVEN, YOU KNOW, JUST TO PURSUE IT? OR WAS IT JUST A WISH, A BUCKET LIST KIND OF THING? OKAY.

I CAN, UM, ANSWER REGARDING 1 79.

'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT REASONS WITH WEST 89.

UH, THE EXAMPLE THAT PEOPLE WERE BRINGING UP ABOUT 1 79 IS WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH, WITH THE CROSSWALK AT TO LOCKBA.

BECAUSE THAT IS UNDER A

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DOTS CONTROL.

SO I THINK THAT WAS WHAT THEY HAD IN MIND WHEN THEY SUGGESTED THAT.

JUST THE ONE THING THAT'S THEY WANTED THE ENTIRE 1 79 JUST FOR THE CROSSWALK? NO, THE SPECIFIC, THEY SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED THAT SECTION OF 1 79 BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, ROUNDABOUTS.

UH, FOR THAT REASON, THE, THE DISCUSSION WAS MOSTLY CENTERED AROUND 89 A AND THEN 1 79 WAS ADDED ON TO THAT DISCUSSION.

WERE THEY TALKING ABOUT ALL OF 89 A YES OR JUST FROM COOKS HILL DOWN TO THE Y NO, NO, IT WAS ALL OF 89 A.

AND THEN UNTIL 1 79.

JUST FROM THE SCH HILL ROUNDABOUT TO THE Y YES.

WOULD THAT OH, THEY SAID WITHIN CITY LIMITS.

THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW BECAUSE, UH, I HAD HEARD SOME PEOPLE WANT ALL OF, FROM THE, THE, UH, CITY BORDER TO THE Y.

SO I WILL POINT OUT THOUGH THE LANGUAGES EXPLORE I, THOSE ARE LIKE DETAILS THAT YEAH, WE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, SOME PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT WORD EXPLORE AND THAT'S GONNA BE A REAL HOT BUTTON IF THEY DON'T SEE THE WORD EXPLORE.

COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THINGS ON THAT SECTION OF UPTOWN 89 A TO BEAUTIFY IT, TO MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, TO MAKE THE CHANGES WE NEED.

UM, I THINK THAT IF YOU, IN THE, IN THE SORT OF IDEAL WORLD, YOU COULD MAKE THOSE KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ALL OF 89 A WE COULD DO IT.

IT, I, I THINK SO.

I THINK THAT IS THE THOUGHT BEHIND SOME OF THAT.

I WILL SAY THAT MY, AND I ACTUALLY SUPPORTED TAKING OVER 89 A FOR THOSE VERY REASONS, BUT I AM ALSO AWARE OF HOW MUCH THAT IS GOING TO COST.

AND I THINK HA THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, WHICH IS PART OF THE EXPLORATION OF THE, OF, AND IT'S SAYING EXPLORE.

I KNOW OF EXPLORING THE WORD, BUT PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT ONE WORD EXPLORE.

I KNOW, I KNOW.

BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE PURPOSE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW BEHIND THE 89 A THING, I THINK AMAZING THINGS COULD BE DONE THERE.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE, AND I AGREE, BUT SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT.

I'M SAYING YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, I SORT OF ANSWERED IT AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT THE THING IS, DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN OR DO WE WANNA REMOVE IT OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT? IT SAYS EXPLORE.

I'LL BE GOOD WITH EXPLORING, I THINK.

WHY NOT? WELL, WE, THANKS MAYOR.

I MEAN WE CAN EXPLORE ALL WE WANT, BUT THE VOTERS HAVE TO VOTE.

WELL THAT IS, THAT IS THE NEXT POINT I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT IS THERE WAS THIS AS INITIATIVE DONE, WE CAN'T TAKE 89 NOW.

WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD TAKE ANY ROAD IF THAT SYSTEM'S INITIATIVE LIMITED TO ALL ROADS 89 A ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, STATE ROADS OR JUST 89 A ANY I ANY CLUE ON PAGE 68 AT THE BOTTOM WE ADDED A STATEMENT AT KURT'S.

SUGGESTION 68.

PAGE 68 IN THE YELLOW BOX.

OH, I SEE TRANSFERRING.

I CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON THE CITY ATTORNEY TO GET THIS STUFF RIGHT.

UH, OKAY.

AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT IS A, ACCORDING TO THIS, TRANSFERRING A HIGHWAY, KURT, ANY STATE HIGHWAY, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT THE ORDER IS.

I DIDN'T REALIZE IT, IT INCLUDED 81 79 BACK THEN.

IT WASN'T BACK THEN, BUT THE INITIATIVE PASSED BY THE RESIDENCE WAS FOR ANY HIGHWAY.

THAT WAS ALSO 10 YEARS AGO.

SO, OKAY.

ALRIGHT THEN I'M FINE AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR THERE WITH THAT BOX.

CAN WE, I, YOU, YOU, CYNTHIA, YOU GREAT AT COLOR SCHEMES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IS THAT YELLOW BOLD ENOUGH TO, BECAUSE I, I KNOW 'CAUSE I, I'LL, I'LL GET PHONE CALLS.

SO PERSONALLY, MS. COLLEAGUES, I DON'T WANNA EXPLORE IT.

I DON'T WANNA EXPLORE IT EITHER.

OBVIOUSLY I DON'T WANNA EXPLORE IT, BUT I, I WANNA BE OPEN ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING THAT.

SO, UH, AND COUNCIL WILLIAMSON IS RIGHT, WE COULD DO SO MUCH MORE WITH OUR ROADS, BUT THE EXPENSE TO TAKE ON ON 89 A ALONE, I THINK, KAREN, DON'T WE PAY TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, GREENS, UH, ON 1 79? NOT ON 89 A DO WE SPRAY AND WEED?

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WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, UM, 89 A AS WELL.

OH, WE DO MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO IT'S JUST THAT RESURFACE THAT IS REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE.

SO IF, IF WE, I REMEMBER WHEN THE DISCUSSION WAS DECIDED THAT A DOT WANT TO NICELY GIVE US THE ROAD IT WAS ALONG WITH, RIGHT.

TELL YOU SOMETHING.

GIVE IT, WELL, THERE WAS A, A PRICE DIG TO IT FOR THEM.

I THINK IT WAS 20 MILLION FOR ONE AT THE TIME, ONE RESURFACING THAT IT, IT WOULD COST AND THEN THEY ALL PUT IT INTO A TRUST, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF FUND AND YOU CAN SAVE ON THE INTEREST AND WHATEVER.

BUT IT, I REMEMBER THE CITY MANAGER BACK THEN.

CAROL, WERE YOU DEPUTY BACK THEN? NO.

EVERYTHING WOULD'VE BEEN FOCUSED.

I REMEMBER THE CITY MANAGER BACK THEN SAYING IT WOULD HAVE COMPLETELY STRAPPED THE CITY WHERE THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BACK THEN.

YOU REMEMBER THAT, RIGHT? NO, THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT.

WELL, I WON'T SAY THAT.

I I'LL GO BY FACTS AND I THAT'S CAME FROM THIS, I WAS A COMMISSIONER BACK THEN.

GO AHEAD PETER.

AFFIRM ME.

MAYOR.

THE, THESE WORDS EXPLORE, I THINK ARE PRETTY LOOSE.

EXPLORE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE COUNCIL HAS TO EXPLORE IT, BUT SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE STARTS TO DO SOME WORK AND IF ADOT WERE TO CHANGE THEIR VIEW AND COME TO US WITH A BIG POT OF MONEY TO SAY, PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF OUR HANDS AND WE'LL PAY FOR MAINTENANCE FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.

OR YOU, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I, I DON'T THINK ADOT WOULD EVER CHANGE ITS OPINIONS, BUT IF THEY DID, I WOULDN'T WANNA PRECLUDE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE'S A NEW DEAL.

AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO TAKE A LOT OF WORK, BUT IT HAS TO GO TO THE VOTERS.

I I I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M, I'M GLAD THAT WE PUT THAT SECTION IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT YEAH.

JESSICA, IF IT'S NOT IN HERE, I DON'T THINK IT PRECLUDES US FROM DOING ANYTHING.

UM, SO I'M PERFECTLY, SINCE THE ISSUE WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT UP BY CITY STAFF AND PEOPLE HERE DON'T WANT IT.

I MEAN, WE COULD EV IF IT, IF IT BECAME REASONABLE TO DO IT, WE COULD STILL DO IT.

I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN HERE.

BRIAN, ARE WE ONLY TALKING ABOUT TAKING OVER 89 A WITH THIS AS OPPOSED TO 1 79? I DON'T WANT EITHER ONE OF 'EM BECAUSE THE SAME 89 A WOULD BE WAY MORE EXPENSIVE.

PROBABLY DOUBLE, BUT WHAT'S YOUR POINT? TAKING OVER 1 79 FROM THE SCH NIBLEY ROUNDABOUT TO THE Y THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I MIGHT THINK ABOUT.

I JUST, NOT ALL OF 1 79.

THAT SECTION IN THE EVENT WE DON'T GET WHAT WE WANT.

WHEN THAT UNDERPASS IS COMPLETE, THEN AT LEAST HAVING CONTROL OVER IT CHANGES THE GAME DRAMATICALLY.

WELL, BUT REMEMBER THAT HAS TO GO TO THE VOTERS.

WE JUST EXPLAINED THAT, BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THE CITY BEING ABLE TO SHUT DOWN THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK .

I I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

SO I WOULD LEAVE ONE SEVEN, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LEAVE 1 79 IN THERE AS AN EXPLORATION.

AND I AM AMBIVALENT ABOUT 89 A, SO, BUT DO YOU WANT TO DIAL THAT IN FROM SCH HILL ROAD TO THE Y NOT THE ENTIRE FROM THE CITY LIMITS? I, I DON'T THINK IT, IT MATTERS.

I MEAN, WE'RE EXPLORING, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE A VERY SMALL FOCUS TO IT.

SO ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT? I THINK WE ARE YOU NOT, MELISSA HASN'T WEIGHED IN.

WHAT ARE WE AGREEING TO? I, I TO, TO, TO REMOVE THIS EXCEPT FOR 79.

I THINK WE NEED TO SAY WHAT WE MEAN BY 1 79.

DO YOU WANT ME TO READ A POTENTIAL OKAY.

REVISION.

WELL BEFORE YOU DO, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MELISSA HAS TO SAY.

WE, I JUST CUT HER OFF AND I DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

UM, I THINK THERE'S NO HARM EVER IN EXPLORING THE AREAS OF THE ROAD THAT ARE CAUSING US ENORMOUS PROBLEMS AND OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO CONTROL AND OVER WHICH I KEEP HEARING FROM RESIDENTS THEY WISH WE HAD SOME CONTROL.

AND SO EXPLORE DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE DOING IT.

IT'S GONNA NEED A REFERENDUM IN ORDER FOR US TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH IT IF ADOT WERE EVEN TO AGREE.

SO I THINK THERE'S JUST, THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS HERE.

THAT'S A LIST.

BUT FOR SURE I BELIEVE THAT IT DOESN'T HURT US TO LOOK AT AREAS WHERE WE BELIEVE WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD THESE ARE TRAFFIC ISSUES OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO CONTROL AND WISH WE HAD SOME.

SO I THINK WE'RE GO AHEAD FOR THE LANGUAGE.

SO THIS WOULD BE STRATEGY 6.16, WHICH IS ON PAGE 68.

UH, WE WOULD KEEP EXPLORE TRANSFER OF CROSS OUT WEST SR 89 9 A SO THAT IT SAYS SR 1 79 FROM THE Y TO THE S NIBLEY HILL ROUNDABOUT FROM STATE TO CITY JURISDICTION.

WELL BRIAN, WE, HE WAS SAYING GO TO THE CITY OF LINE, LET'S SAY LIMITS HOW MUCH EVERY NIGHT TO THE RANDOM, BUT I WOULD RATHER GO TO DIAL IT IN.

I'M AMBIVALENT.

SO WHY DON'T WE DO WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

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UH, THERE CHANEL BE ROUNDABOUT TO THE Y MM-HMM.

BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

THERE'S A DI DIRECT PURPOSE ON THAT.

SO, OKAY.

UH, I HAVE OTHER CIRCULATION TRANSIT QUESTIONS.

YEAH, SURE.

AND THE CIRCULATION STREETS QUESTIONS JUST THREE.

SO I THINK I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 65, NOT PACKET PAGE, BUT DOCUMENT PAGE 65 WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.

AND UNDER STRATEGY SIX 10 WE REFERENCED THE $109 MILLION IN TRANSIT CAPITAL AND OPERATING COSTS.

I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DATED NUMBER AND I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

BUT MY QUESTION, I THINK THIS REALLY GOES TO CITY MANAGER, WHEN IN OUR PROCESS DO WE GET AN UPDATE OF THE WHOLE TRANSIT PLAN AND MAYBE UPDATE NUMBERS LIKE THE 109 MILLION, WHEN MIGHT THAT BE NORMALLY SCHEDULED IN THE COURSE OF ACTION? THANK YOU.

SO THE NEXT UPDATE WILL BE APRIL 24TH AS PART OF THE SIM MEETING.

SO WE DO THOSE PERIODIC MEETINGS, TRANSIT IS PART OF SIM AND WE PROVIDE KIND OF WHERE WE ARE ONCE THERE IS A NEXT STEP DECISION TO MAKE THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATELY AGENDIZED ITEM, RIGHT? SO THE, YOU KNOW, MICRO TRANSIT PROGRAM YOU'LL SEE SEPARATELY BE WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO MAKE THE LONGER TERM DECISIONS REGARDING IS THERE A HUB OR ISN'T THERE A HUB, IS THERE A FIXED ROUTE OR ISN'T THERE A FIXED ROUTE? AT THIS POINT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE YET.

AND SO ONCE MICRO TRANSIT, ONCE WE'VE GOT SOME OF THAT UNDER OUR BELT, ROBERT WILL BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO SEE WHAT IS THE DEMAND OF THAT PROGRAM, HOW SUCCESSFUL IT IS, SHOULD WE BUILD ON THAT OR SHOULD WE AUGMENT THAT WITH ANOTHER KIND OF SYSTEM? RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS.

SO YOU'LL GET IT PIECEMEAL UNTIL THERE'S A BIGGER DECISION TO MAKE.

DO DO WE, DO WE WORRY, I WORRY A LITTLE BIT, DO WE WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS LIKE 109 MILLION BEING IN THE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS A BIG NUMBER, BUT I SUSPECT THAT TODAY'S NUMBER IS EVEN BIGGER AND 10 YEARS AND IN 10 YEARS IT MIGHT BE EVEN BIGGER.

AND I, I KIND OF, I GET NERVOUS WHEN WE HAVE ESPECIALLY LOW BALL CAPITAL INVESTMENT DOLLARS IN A DOCUMENT THAT MAY LIST MISLEAD PEOPLE AS TO WHERE THIS THING MIGHT END UP.

AND IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR, UH, ACTION STRATEGY TO CALL FOR UPDATING THE, THE OVERALL NUMBER? WELL, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE REFINED.

SO YOU'LL SEE A NUMBER IN THE CIP THIS YEAR, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT A THREE YEAR FUNDED CIP AND THEN THE OUT YEARS.

UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT AND WE REFINE THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR BASED ON SORT OF THE NEWEST INFORMATION, THE NEWEST COST, WHAT FEDERAL GRANTS ARE COMING IN, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A HUGE COMPONENT OF DECISION MAKING AROUND TIMING, UM, OF TRANSIT AND THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT SERVICES AND OPERATIONAL LEVELS WE'RE ABLE TO, TO, UM, OFFER THE PUBLIC.

SO ALL OF THAT PLAYS IN, BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT WILL BE A CONTINUAL PROCESS REVISITED EVERY YEAR.

I APPRECIATE THAT, KAREN, IT TOOK YOU TWICE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION BEFORE I YES.

AND BEFORE I HERE, BUT I FINALLY GOT IT , RIGHT? AND THE FIRST ANSWER WAS MORE AROUND THE OPERATIONS AND THE DECISIONS AROUND OPERATIONS VERSUS THE FUNDING SIDE OF THINGS.

SO, YEAH.

I I, I'M, I CAN MOVE THAT.

MY NEXT QUESTION IS ON PAGE 67, WHICH IS THAT COMPLETE STREET DIAGRAM, WHICH I STILL SEE IT IN HERE.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REACT TO ON THAT, UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED ON THE COMPLETE STREETS IS SEPARATED BIKE LANES.

UH, I SEPARATED BIKE LANES ARE THE RECOMMENDED APPROACH, UH, ESPECIALLY ON STREETS THAT MIGHT HAVE BUSES AND CARS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE THE, THE DIAGRAM TO REFLECT THE SEPARATED BY CLEAN STRATEGY.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? THAT IS IN THE WORKS, AND I DID FIND AN ALTERNATIVE.

SO PETE, UH, MR. I, I REACTED TO THAT NUMBER THERE ALSO.

OH, IN THE PRIOR CONVERSATION, THE TRANSIT NUMBER? YES, THE TRANSIT NUMBER.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A NUMBER IN THERE.

IS THERE A, A COST GOING UP AFTER COVID? SHOULD WE DATE THAT PROJECTION? CAN WE PUT A SURE.

WE'D HAVE WORD LIKE EXPENSIVE .

VERY, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PHILOSOPHY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE A OUTDATED ISH KIND OF NUMBER OR NUMBERS THAT GET OUTDATED? FOR ME, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT TALKS ABOUT HOW THE PLAN PROJECTED THAT AND HOW NOW

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A DATE WHEN THAT PROJECTION IN THERE THAT MIGHT INDICATE SOME 2013 MM-HMM.

MY, UH, NEXT, NO, MY NEXT QUESTION IS ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO I'M DONE WITH CIRCULATION.

ANYBODY ELSE ON CIRCULATION? BRIAN? HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD.

I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE VICE MAYOR GO FIRST IF SHE WOULD LIKE.

NO, I JUST WAS GONNA FINISH THAT ONE.

UH, STRATEGY 6.10, CAN WE SAY THAT THERE'S FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED FUNDING, I MEAN, TO SHOW THAT WE ARE ACTIVE AND WE BELIEVE THAT BASED ON OUR SUCCESS RATE, HOWEVER YOU WANNA WORD IT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE MONEY FORTHCOMING.

WHAT ABOUT BYPASSES OR BRIDGES? THE, IT'S TOO HARD STATEMENT IS KIND OF HOW I LOOK AT THAT AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY'S LOOKING FOR VISION.

UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS, SHOULD BE IN THE EXPLORE REALM AND, YOU KNOW, DO I THINK WE CAN SELF-FUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS? HECK NO.

YOU KNOW, IT WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT FEDERAL DOT SUPPORT, I WOULD EXPECT.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITIES.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE REASONS FOR NO BEYOND COST, I MEAN JURISDICTION, OKAY? SO IT'S HARD.

I MEAN, SOMETIMES THINGS THAT ARE WORTHWHILE ARE HARD.

UH, THE TRAFFIC MODELING.

UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW A BYPASS OF THE Y WOULD NOT IMPROVE TRAFFIC AROUND THE Y LIKE HOW, HOW, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT, THAT IT WOULDN'T MATTER.

LIKE I, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

AND, AND I AM SENSITIVE TO THE LAST PIECE ABOUT CONTRADICTORY TO SEDONAS CORE VALUES AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

THAT'S A DEFINITE CONCERN ABOUT ANY TYPE OF A BRIDGE CROSSING, ET CETERA.

I GET THAT.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SENSE OF PLACE OR COMMUNITY CHARACTER, WELL, IF YOU TAKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CARS OFF THE ROAD, THEN YOU ENHANCE THE SENSE OF PLACE AND THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY ARE COMPLETELY AT ODDS WITH ONE ANOTHER.

IS IT HARD? YES.

INSANELY HARD, INSANELY EXPENSIVE, TONS OF COOPERATION GONNA BE REQUIRED, BUT I THINK THAT WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO AT LEAST GIVE IT AN HONEST EXPLORATION SOMETIME IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

CAN I, CAN I, CAN I JUST ADD REAL QUICKLY THAT WHERE ALL OF THIS LANGUAGE CAME FROM IS FROM THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, WHICH DID DO AN EXPLORATION OF THIS? UM, THIS DOESN'T REFLECT THE DETAIL THAT IS IN THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN ANALYSIS.

UM, BUT ALSO THAT IS FROM 2018, I BELIEVE.

AND SO THERE COULD BE, UM, THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN.

SO, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVE FROM BEING A, IT'S TOO HARD AND WE DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT TO, IT SHOULD BE EXPLORED.

THAT'S MY TAKE JESSICA.

IN ORDER TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE AROUND TOWN.

EVERYBODY WHO HATES SPRAWL AND WHO LOVES SPRAWL, UM, OF, OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACTING OAK CREEK AND ANYBODY WHO, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST NOT EXCITED ABOUT PROVIDING A VERY EXPENSIVE ENVIRONMENTALLY VERY, UM, DAMAGING YEAH.

DAMAGING.

IT.

IT, I I MEAN I'M SURE THERE ENVIRONMENTALLY IT'S GOING TO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING FOR THE BETTER.

IT CAN'T, IT'S GOING TO IMPINGE ON WHAT IS NOW A PRETTY, YOU KNOW, NICE AREA.

IT'S, IT'S SORT OF PRISTINE IN A LOT OF WAY.

THE CREEK ITSELF.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE A TRANSIT SYSTEM, BUT HERE WE'RE PROVIDING PEOPLE WITH, WITH LOTS OF WAYS TO AVOID HAVING TO EVER USE IT.

AND I THINK AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER, AND CISCO BACK TO ME, TO THE, USING, SOLVING OUR PROBLEMS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, I DON'T THINK WE OWE IT TO PEOPLE TO, TO DESTROY THE ENVIRONMENT

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SO I I TOTALLY, TOTALLY DON'T SUPPORT DOING THAT AS A, AS A, AS A, UM, I THINK BRIAN THING, WHAT BRIAN WAS SAYING, TO BE FAIR, BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT EXPLORING IT, NOT DOING NO, I KNOW.

I DON'T WANNA EXPLORE IT.

BECAUSE MY POINT OF YOU, YOU EXPLORE IT AND YOU'RE SAYING YEAH.

ENVIRONMENT'S A CONCERN.

AND, AND, AND I, I THINK ENVIRONMENT IS NOT ONLY A CONCERN.

ENVIRONMENT IS LIKE THE BIGGEST THING.

UM, I REMEMBER WHEN THEY BUILT FREEWAYS OUT IN THE OCEAN, UH, TO, TO BYPASS CITIES.

I MEAN, IT JUST DESTROYS EVERYTHING TO BUILD MORE ROADS.

AND I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FOR THAT.

SO THERE WERE PROPOSALS IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER A WHILE BACK OF DOING BYPASS ROADS AND THOSE ACROSS OAK CREEK.

I AGREE WITH COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, I WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER THAT.

WE, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE THE VICE MAYOR, POSSIBLY NOT PARTICULARLY JESSICA, THERE WAS A, FOR, UM, THERE WAS SOME, A DEVELOPER WANTED TO BUILD A BRIDGE ACROSS OAK CREEK.

WERE YOU HERE ON THE COUNCIL FOR THAT? OKAY.

AND IN ORDER TO BUILD A BRIDGE, IT'S NOT A ONE LANE BRIDGE, IT WAS A FOUR LANE BRIDGE, OR AT LEAST A THREE LANE BRIDGE WITH A CENTER MEDIAN.

IT WAS A HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT PERSONALLY.

THE OTHER THING IN THE PAPER WAS A BYPASS ROAD FROM THE SN HILL ROUNDABOUT OR SOMEWHERE THERE, WHICH IS NEVER SEES TRAFFIC THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT PUT IT THERE TO TAKE IT DIRECTLY UP, UH, EAST TWO 17, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THERE THROUGH THE US FOREST SERVICE.

IT'S NICE TO SAY, WELL, LET'S DO A LAND SWAP, OR I DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I MOVED HERE FOR.

AND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO 1 79 AND NEL HILL ROAD WHERE IT, ESPECIALLY THE NEL HILL ROUNDABOUT IS ALREADY THE CRUX OF OUR, ONE OF OUR PROBLEMS. BACK WHEN I WAS BACK IN 2014 OR 2016 WHEN I WAS FIRST ON COUNCIL, THERE WAS A THOUGHT OF PUTTING A BRIDGE ACROSS 89 A UP IN THE CANYON BY, UH, MIDGLEY BRIDGE ACROSS THE CANYON TO SNOBBY ROUNDABOUT.

AND I SAID, WELL, I WAS NEW.

I SAID, WAIT, I, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT.

AND ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON NEL HILL ROAD GRABBED ME, FORTUNATELY GRABBED ME AND SAID, COME WITH ME KID.

LET'S TAKE A WALK.

AND THAT WAS THE MOST EYE-OPENING EXPERIENCE TO WALK ON NEL HILL ROAD.

I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BRING MORE TRAFFIC THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE LAST PRISTINE ROAD THAT WE HAVE HERE.

AND OKAY, SO I'M NOT DOING FOR THE APPLAUSE .

SO, BUT TO SO TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA EXPLORE IT.

I THINK I JUST EXPLORED IT RIGHT NOW IN MY MIND.

ME TOO.

YOU ALL THINK IT'S TOO HARD? FINE.

IT'S TOO HARD.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S BEEN EXPLORED AND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE SIM TO GET CARS OFF THE ROAD.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE SHARED USE PATHS TO GET THE CARS OFF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD, BIKES OFF THE ROAD.

UNLESS THERE WAS SOME OTHER AREA THAT WE COULD, NOW SOMEBODY SAID, JUST TO BACKTRACK, I HAD DISCUSSION WITH SOMEBODY AT, AT THE LOCAL PAPER, AND WE TALKED ABOUT, WELL, WIDENING 89 A UP IN THE CANYON.

I SAID, COULD, COULD YOU ? RIGHT? I SAID, AND THAT INDIVIDUAL, WHICH I WILL NOT NAME, WAS SAYING, WELL, THE PEOPLE IN THE CANYON, HE WASN'T GIVING ME OPINION.

'CAUSE I SAID, I DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA.

BUT HE SAID, THE PEOPLE IN THE CANYON, AND WE KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO WERE, UH, UH, WHATEVER THE GROUP WAS SO MANY YEARS AGO, VERY EFFECTIVE TRAFFIC MATTERS.

REALLY.

A PHENOMENAL CITIZENS GROUP.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOUR LANES UP IN THE CANYON.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, WHATEVER YOU'D EXPLORE, BRIAN, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD TURN OUT GOOD EXCEPT BRING MORE TRAFFIC.

SO I, YES, IT'S, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S TOO HARD.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S TOO ENVIRONMENTALLY CHALLENGING AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I LIKE TO DO.

SO THERE'S 30 MILLION MORE PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THAT'S THE ONES WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY, THAT WE KNOW OF, THAT HAVE BEEN COUNTED IN A CENSUS SINCE 2010.

PEOPLE ARE GROWING, WHETHER IT'S IN PHOENIX, WHEREVER MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING.

THE NUMBER OF

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SO YEAH, WE CAN, I MEAN, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, YOU'RE SAYING, OH, BUILDING ROADS IS TERRIBLE.

WE'RE BUILDING, WE'RE WE'RE BUILDING ROADS, WE'RE BUILDING PIECES OF ROADS HERE, THERE, AND EVERYWHERE.

AND IF YOU ADD IT ALL UP, WE'RE BUILDING A NEW ROAD.

SO WHETHER IT'S PIECEMEAL HERE OR THERE, VERSUS LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT MATERIALLY COULD MATTER, PARTICULARLY AS THIS POPULATION OF THIS COUNTRY CONTINUES TO GROW, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WANNA JUST PUT OUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND NOT AT LEAST LOOK OKAY.

THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALL WANT TO BY CONSENSUS, SAY, KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS, AND IT'S TOO HARD.

I RESPECT THAT.

SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S TOO HARD AND I'M NOT, I'M CERTAINLY NOT ONE OR ANY OF US HERE ARE PUTTING OUR HEADS IN THE SAND.

IT'S JUST THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES TO ME.

YOU MAY, YOU MAY DIFFER.

I LIKE TO SPEAK.

YEAH, NO, YOU WILL.

I'M, I'M, I KNOW YOU WANNA DO IT.

IT'S, THAT'S A HUGE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE DOING THE PINCH POINTS, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN, WE'RE NOT BUILDING REALLY ANY ROADS, PER SE.

EXCEPT MAYBE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT WE'RE NOT BUILDING BRAND NEW ROADS.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO PETE, 'CAUSE I'M SURE HE HAS SOMETHING ENVIRONMENTAL TO TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO ROADS.

UH, UH, THANK YOU COUNCILOR, FOLKS FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

UH, I TOO LOOKED, LOOKED AT THAT AND I THOUGHT IT LOOKED OUTTA PLACE.

'CAUSE IT'S A NEGATIVE SORT OF BLOCK HERE IN WHAT IS OUGHT TO BE A VERY INSPIRATIONAL KIND OF FORWARD LOOKING DOCUMENT.

AND I THOUGHT IT ADDED A, A TONE OF NEGATIVITY THAT DIDN'T ACTUALLY ADD MUCH VALUE TO THE CONVERSATION.

BUT BEYOND THAT, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THIS BALANCE IS, EVERYTHING'S A BALANCE.

AND, UH, BUT ONE THING I'M SURE OF THAT SOMEDAY, GOD WILLING, WE DON'T HAVE A WILDFIRE RACE THROUGH OUR TOWN.

SO THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.

BUT IF IT EVER HAPPENS, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT WE WILL ALL BE FLOCKING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT OTHER EXIT STRATEGY CAN WE HAVE IN AN EMERGENCY.

THERE'S PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFITS ALSO SHOULD BE ON THIS CONVERSATION AND WORTHY OF EXPLORATION.

SO, SO YOU'RE FINE WITH KEEPING THAT IN THERE.

NO, I, I DON'T LIKE THE NEGATIVITY OF THAT BLOCK.

AND I WOULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT AN EXPLORATION CONCEPT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY REASONS ALONE.

MELISSA? SO FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT, UM, TAKING IT DOWN A LEVEL THAT, UH, IT'S OKAY.

TIRED AND GRUMPY FROM LAST NIGHT.

IT'S OKAY.

WONDER WAY.

UM, I, I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY SEVERE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, UM, ON THE CREEK.

IF YOU GO ONE WAY ON THE CANYONS, IF YOU GO ANOTHER WAY, THERE'S GONNA BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

SO YOU'RE ALSO BUILDING, WHEN YOU BUILD THEM IN THE CANYON, ACROSS THE CANYON, WHEN YOU BUILD THEM ACROSS THE CREEK, IN MY MIND, YOU'RE BUILDING ANOTHER TOURIST ROUTE.

LET'S GO AND LET'S GO TAKE THIS ROAD THAT GOES OVER THE CREEK AND WE'RE GONNA STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND TAKE SOME PICTURES OF THE LOVELY CREEK.

'CAUSE WE NEVER SEE THAT ON 1 79.

WE NEVER SEE PEOPLE STOP AND NO EVERY DAY TAKE PICTURES, UM, AND OPEN THEIR DOOR INTO THE ROADWAY.

SO KNOWING THAT WE NEVER SEE THAT BEHAVIOR.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WE'D SEE IT AGAIN.

SO, UM, OKAY.

YEAH, THAT WAS TONGUE IN CHEEK, PETE, LIGHTEN UP.

SO WE ARE, I THINK THAT, THAT CREATING NEW TOURIST ATTRACTIONS ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT WE WANNA DO.

I UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY ASPECT.

I UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT WE ONLY HAVE TWO WAYS OUT OF TOWN.

UM, ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT, IT'S 89 A AND IT'S 1 79 IN ANY DIRECTION.

THIS IS IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ADDING OTHER BRIDGES REALLY SOLVES A PROBLEM.

YOU DISPERSE THE PROBLEM, I THINK, BUT YOU'RE GONNA END UP ON 89 A OR 1 79.

'CAUSE WHERE ELSE ARE YOU GONNA END UP UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER MAJOR ROAD.

THESE ARE CONNECTING ROADS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING, I LIVE OVER IN THE CHAPEL AREA AND I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DO 1 79 IN THE ROUNDABOUTS, BUT I WANNA GET TO WEST SEDONA.

HOW CAN I DO THAT THAT I'M NOT IMPACTED? AND I, I GUARANTEE YOU, WITHIN A FEW MONTHS OF OPENING, YOU'LL BE JUST AS IMPACTED.

WE CAN DO TO ENHANCE THE IDEA OF THE EVACUATION STRATEGIES? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT ON THAT NOTE, KAREN? BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY THAT I WOULD THINK ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE THAT NUMBER OF TOURISM, THEY WERE GOING TO FIND THOSE ROADS AND THEY'RE GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL ROADS OVER THE CREEK IN THE CANYONS, AND THEY'RE GONNA TAKE 'EM.

UM, AND MAYBE THEN YOU'LL BE ON 1 79 INSTEAD OF, UH, ON THESE ALTERNATIVE ROADS.

SO DO WE WANT, DO YOU WANNA EXPLORE THEM? I CAN SEE EXPLORING SOMETHING.

IS THERE ANYTHING

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'CAUSE I THINK THE OTHER IMPACTS ULTIMATELY ARE, ARE NOT REALLY GONNA BE HELPFUL FOR RESIDENTS.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION FOR, WAS FOR THE SAME REASON.

SO KAREN, THE, UH, ALL HAZARDS EVACUATION PLAN, DID THEY, UH, MENTION ANYTHING IN THERE THAT YOU RECALL ABOUT HAVING, UH, AN ADDITIONAL ROAD OF EVACUATION OR THE CURRENT ROADS SUFFICIENT FOR THEIR PLANS? AND DO YOU, ANY THOUGHTS? YOU MEAN CITYWIDE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UPTOWN SPECIFICALLY AND FOREST ROAD CITY CITYWIDE OR UPTOWN? WHAT? I MEAN ANY, ANY WHICH WAY.

SO THE, THE PLAN DID NOT GET THAT GRANULAR, BUT THERE, I MEAN, THERE IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE CITY THAT, THAT SUFFER OR ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A THREAT IN THAT THERE MIGHT BE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, OR A NARROW WINDY, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON TOPOGRAPHY AND ACCESS.

THAT, THAT THOSE ARE LIMITATIONS.

AND THOSE ARE, UM, THOSE COMPROMISE SAFETY AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS HAVE BEEN PUT ON AN INDEFINITE HOLD BASED ON, UM, RESIDENT PUSHBACK, NEIGHBORHOOD PUSHBACK.

SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WILL NEED TO GRAPPLE WITH IN THE FUTURE.

THERE ARE LOCATIONS WHERE ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS COULD, COULD REASONABLY BE MADE.

THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE THAT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT OF THOSE CONNECTIONS.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS THAT WERE EXPLORED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO? THAT WOULD SOUND YEAH.

PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

DID IDENTIFY WAYS TO CREATE NEW CONNECTIONS THAT WOULD HELP EASE BOTTLENECKS AND CREATE ALTERNATE ROUTES.

AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE OR TWO PEOPLE AGAINST THAT, I THINK, OR A HUNDRED PEOPLE.

I DON'T THINK THEY, I THINK AT THE TIME THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT SAFETY.

THEY DID.

I REMEMBER THAT THEY SAID PEOPLE ON, THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT SAFETY.

THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY NEW IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEY DID NOT WANT PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, DIDN'T CARE ABOUT SAFETY.

SO.

WE CARE ABOUT SAFETY, SO.

UM, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD PUT IN NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS TO EXPLORE NOT THAT, WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IT IN, UH, 6 1 3.

YOU MEAN IN WHAT? IN THIS PLAN? IN THE CIP IN IN THIS PLAN.

I THINK THEY'RE GREAT.

WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME COUNCIL'S TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO THERE HADN'T BEEN ANY PREVIOUS COUNCIL DIRECTION TO RECONSIDER.

I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING THAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON BROUGHT UP AT A PRIORITY SETTING.

THAT WAS WHERE IT WAS, YES.

NOT TOO LONG AGO, BUT, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT GOT ENOUGH RIGHT.

TRACTION THAT, THAT, THAT WAS A PRIORITY OVER ANYTHING ELSE WE MIGHT BE DOING RELATED TO SIM PROJECTS.

SO I THINK, I THINK THE SENTIMENT AS I RECALL IT, WAS THAT THERE WAS STILL, UM, AN APPREHENSION ABOUT ADVANCING THAT AT THIS TIME, GIVEN ALL THE OTHER SIM PROJECTS THAT WERE GOING ON.

ESPECIALLY, RIGHT.

I THINK, I'M SORRY, WHO? HIM? STEVE .

I CAN'T SUPER SEEK.

NO, BUT I CAN DO, I COULD, I COULD SUPERSEDE YOU.

SO, UM, YES.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT TO POLICY, UH, 6.13, UH, WHERE WE IDENTIFY EXPLORING, UH, POTENTIAL STREET CONNECTIONS THAT CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE MAINTAINING THE SAFETY AND INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND WITHIN THE BODY OF THAT PARAGRAPH, WE HAVE A SENTENCE THAT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY CONCERN IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY.

UH, AND ONLY ONE OUTLET EXISTS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS IT IN THIS POLICY HERE, JESSICA.

WELL, ABOUT THE, THE PARAGRAPH THAT SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEMATIC, AND I AGREE, IT'S SORT OF, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN HERE.

WHY IS IT IN HERE? BECAUSE IT WAS A HUGE, UH, COMMUNITY, PUBLIC I SEE.

COMMENT IN QUESTION.

THAT'S WHY IT'S IN HERE, BECAUSE IT CAME UP SO MUCH.

SO IT CAME UP BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO EXPLORE IT, NOT NECESSARILY.

COULD BE MUCH LENGTHIER, LIKE MAYBE IN THE APPENDIX, IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHY.

UM, THERE WOULD BE DEBATES, BUT I THINK SOME PEOPLE QUESTIONED WHY, AND THAT WAS THE INTENT OF, OF THIS IS TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHY, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, UM, THE DETAILS OF WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED.

AND THAT'S WHERE THIS, THAT LITTLE BOX

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HERE'S THE REASONS I, I'M, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, FOR ME, IT'S NOT AN IDEA OF IT'S TOO HARD.

IT'S AN IDEA THAT IT, IT'S SORT OF, IT, IT, IT'S AGAINST THE IDEA OF, OF, OF PRESERVING THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

IT GOES AGAINST SORT OF CORE VALUES.

BUT THAT, I GUESS IS, IS MUCH TOO SUBJECTIVE TO HAVE AS A, AS A BOX.

SO I MEAN, THE IDEA, I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO HARD.

ANYTHING CAN BE DONE WITH ENGINEERING ANYTHING.

RIGHT? BUT, SO I WOULD ADD THAT MAYBE THE RIGHT WORD WOULD BE FEASIBLE.

I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S FEASIBLE.

I'VE WORKED WITH, DOESN'T CHANGE IT.

I'VE WORKED WITH OR FOR COUNTY, STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND THE FEDERAL IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENTS, BUT ALL OF THEM HAVE IMPEDIMENTS.

AND SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A PROJECT OF THAT MAGNITUDE ACROSS NATIONAL FOREST, THAT REQUIRES NEPA, NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT, UM, THAT ALLOWS FOR NATIONWIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE ENGINEERING COSTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

SO, AGAIN, WE COULD ELABORATE ON THAT TO BETTER INFORM PEOPLE, BECAUSE I GUESS I DON'T LOOK AT THAT BOX AND SEE IT AS NEGATIVE.

IT'S SIMPLY STATING WHAT HAS BEEN STUDIED WELL.

BUT THE, I'M STILL CONTINUING.

THE, THE WHOLE THING IS THAT IT TAKES A LONG TIME.

IF IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, WE SHOULD DO IT.

I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT GOES TO YOUR POINT.

THE FACT THAT IT TAKES A LONG TIME AND IT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY ISN'T PARTICULARLY, DOESN'T, DOESN'T MOVE ME.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, WE SHOULD DO IT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, WHICH IS WHY I DON'T WANNA EXPLORE IT .

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WITH IT, SO.

IT'S NOT MY ISSUE.

SO AS FAR AS WHERE ARE WE WOULD TAKE EITHER ALTERING IT OR REMOVING IT OR LEAVING IT AS IS, UH, YOU HAVE ANY CONSENSUS HERE TODAY? NO.

WHAT PAGE WAS THAT ON? AGAIN, THAT'S ON 60 THE BOTTOM.

I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE EXPLORER.

AND IF NOT THAT, THEN ELIMINATE IT.

CYNTHIA, WHEN YOU WERE GETTING THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS INTEREST YOU SAID, BUT WAS THERE ENOUGH PUSH THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IT ONCE THEY KNEW THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED? WAS IT STILL CHALLENGE, UH, WAS IT STILL INTEREST? AND, UH, OF COURSE FOR THE, FOR THE SAME REASONS.

I THINK COUNCILLOR FOLTZ IS BRINGING UP, SO THERE'S ALWAYS MULTIPLE SIDES TO EVERY ISSUE.

WELL, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T COMMIT US TO DOING ANYTHING EXCEPT EXPLORE.

I WOULD NEVER, I, I SAY THAT NOW.

RIGHT NOW, I, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT.

BUT LEAVING IT IN DOESN'T HURT IF IT'S IN THE DOCUMENT.

VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE AN OPINION.

WE GET SO MANY EMAILS ABOUT THE SUBJECT AND PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WE GET EMAILS FROM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE CITY, PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY, AND THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT DOING IT.

SO SOMETHING HAS TO BE IN HERE TO EXPLAIN THAT.

AND AGAIN, ONE IDEA WOULD BE TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH A LOT MORE DETAIL, BUT IN THE APPENDIX, BECAUSE IT ISN'T, IT IS HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS WITH A REFERENCE IN THE BODY.

SO THAT YOU WOULD SEND THEM TO THE APPENDIX.

WHAT, WHAT'S YOU SHAKING? WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CONVINCE THE COMMUNITY WITH THIS THEN THAT IT'S TOO HARD AND WE SHOULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

I DON'T CARE THAT YOU GOTTA DO A NEPA PROCESS.

WE KNOW YOU GOTTA DO A NEPA TO GO PUT A TRASH CAN OVER ON FOREST SERVICE LAND.

SO WHAT, IT'S HARD.

IT'S COSTLY.

WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.

AND IF EVERYTHING STILL COMES BACK AND IT'S NO, THEN IT'S, NO, I ACCEPT THAT.

IT'S JUST THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THE EFFORT TO EXPLORE IT.

THE LAST TIME WE'VE DONE THIS? WAS THAT SIX MONTHS AGO? 20 YEARS AGO.

I GIVE UP.

I, I THINK, NO, REALLY.

I THINK THAT IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE REALLY WANNA DO, TALK, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARE.

I DON'T WANT TO DO IT, BUT THEN I'M JUST ONE PERSON WHO DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT.

AND SO AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY, BUT IT IS A COMMUNITY'S PLAN.

IT IS A COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO I I I WOULD BE FINE WITH EXPLORE.

CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION? OF COURSE.

SO, UM, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE EXPLORED THIS? WHEN WAS

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JUST HOW, HOW LONG? BECAUSE I HEAR I'VE BEEN HEARING THIS EVER SINCE I, RIGHT.

I LIVED HERE, WHICH HAS BEEN FOREVER.

SO, SO AS FAR AS I KNOW FOR CITY, UM, DOCUMENTATION IS THE 2018 TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

UM, YOU HEAR THINGS LIKE MAYBE THE COUNTY HAD LOOKED INTO IT PERHAPS MORE RECENTLY.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THE 2018 MASTER PLAN, THE COUNTY DID LOOK INTO IT RECENTLY.

I, YEAH, I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THAT ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO BEFORE, BECAUSE IT WAS RANDY GAR.

IT WAS BEFORE HE WAS OUT OF OFFICE.

AND THAT WAS A BRIDGE, THAT WAS A COUNTY PROPERTY BRIDGE FROM VILLAGE THAT WAS A LOW WATER CROSSING, REPLACED THAT.

AND THEY, RIGHT.

AND ALSO JUST A REMINDER ON THE ENTIRE PLAN AND ALL ISSUES , UM, IF IT'S NOT IN HERE, THAT DOES NOT PREVENT EXACTLY YOU FROM DOING SOMETHING, BUT I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE IN HERE.

SO I GO WITH, I GO WITH EXPLORE BECAUSE IF IT WAS A, IF IT WAS A HUGE ISSUE, THEN IT, THIS, IT BELONGS IN HERE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS SUCH A HUGE ISSUE.

IF IT'S A HUGE ISSUE, I DON'T CARE.

I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL LEAVE IT IN.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE WORD EXPLORE IN THERE, OR DO YOU WANT THAT AS A ACTION ITEM OR POLICY STATEMENT? ACTION ITEM.

UM, UM, AS A WHOLE TRY AND FORM A COMMUNITY AROUND THE, THE LOCAL VERDE VALLEY AREA TO SET UP A WORKING GROUP TO DEAL WITH THIS.

SO I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK FROM THESE QUESTIONS.

AND WE HAVE THREE CARDS.

JOE, YOU READY FOR THE OKAY.

UM, ED, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, THE DRILL.

MY NAME'S ED KETTLER.

I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, AND I LIVE OFF OF BREWER ROAD, SO I'M INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE CIRCULATION ISSUES.

UM, PETE, THE ONE WORD I THINK YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MAY HAVE BEEN INITIALLY INSTEAD OF PRIMARILY MIGHT HAVE HELPED WITH THE WORDING OF THAT.

SO, UM, WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, PROBABLY IS MID-JANUARY, I LOOKED AT THE, WHAT YOU CALL CIRCULATION WHEN I CALL TRAFFIC.

AND IT IS A SERIES OF SNAPSHOTS AROUND TOWN.

AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE IS A PROBLEM THAT IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM MUCH BROADER THAN THE CITY OF SEDONA.

AND WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS THAT THE COUNCIL WORKS WITH YAVAPI COUNTY, UH, WITH COTTONWOOD, UH, VILLE AND SOME OTHER, AND THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK TO LOOK AT IT AS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, DUNN MENTIONED GETTING FROM VOC UP TO WEST SEDONA IS, IS ALWAYS A PAIN.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY BOUNDARIES, AND YOU FORM A COMMUNITY AROUND THIS, YOU CAN GET THINGS DONE A LITTLE BETTER.

SOME OF THESE THINGS CAN BE DONE WITH TECHNOLOGY.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT A PLAN OF HOW DO WE TAKE TRAFFIC COMING INTO WEST SEDONA AWAY.

IF YOU HAD INTELLIGENT SIGNAGE, AND I KNOW THAT'S A, A LONG RUNNING, UH, PAIN POINT.

I, UH, BUT IF YOU USED TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT SAID, HEY, OUT IN COTTONWOOD, DOWNTOWN SEDONA IS CONGESTED, USE TWO 60 TO GO TO I 70 AT COVILLE COVILLE ROAD TO GET INTO, UH, WHAT IS IT, UH, BEAVER FLATS OR WHATEVER TO GET IN THERE.

IF YOU USE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, THEN YOU CAN GET AWAY FROM THE THE TIME ZONE PROBLEM OF DEALING WITH ADOT.

BUT ADOT HAS TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

SO IF WE LOOK AT THINGS AS THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING IN OUR STAYING IN OUR BOX, I THINK THERE'S SOME SOLUTION SETS IN THERE THAT COULD HELP US GET THROUGH THESE THINGS.

THERE'S ALSO SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE FIXED SHORT TERM.

UH, THE OTHER NIGHT, MONDAY NIGHT, I WAS COMING HOME AT FIVE O'CLOCK AND HERE COME THE TILLOCK CROSSING GUARDS AND THEY'RE DONE.

AND THE TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP ON 89 A ALL THE WAY BACK TO AIRPORT ROAD.

HOW ABOUT A COUPLE MORE HOURS, FOLKS? THAT'S A LOW PAIN POINT.

UH, WHEN WE'RE HAVING DAYS LIKE THE LAST TWO DAYS, UH, AT THE ROUNDABOUTS, HOW ABOUT SOME EXTRA POLICE OR SOME NON PEACE OFFICER TYPE PEOPLE DIRECTING TRAFFIC TO TAKE SOME OF THE LOAD OFF AND MOVE THINGS AROUND? BECAUSE GOD KNOWS I LIVED IN ENGLAND FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

I AM A ROUNDABOUT PRO .

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE NOT QUALIFIED.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS,

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SO WE CAN DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE IT'S ON THE TOPIC.

THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION OF THE, IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND NAAG THAT COVERS THAT.

I WAS AT A MEETING YESTERDAY MORNING ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER MEETINGS, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, DOING NOT THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT HAS TO BE DONE, UH, THROUGH THE VERDE VALLEY, UH, FOR ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS WORKING TOGETHER AND THE CITIES AND TOWNS, UH, BRIAN AND JESSICA IN FURTHER TO THAT, UNLESS SOMETHING'S CHANGED, OUR, UH, DEPUTY CITY MAYOR MANAGER, SORRY, WE DON'T HAVE A DEPUTY CITY MAYOR, MAYOR YET.

CAN WE, CAN WE BRING IT BACK AS A MAYOR? WE CAN DO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

ANDY DICKEY ACTUALLY CHAIRS THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AMONG, UH, THE STAFF, LIKE MUNICIPAL STAFF THAT ARE PART OF NACO.

I I THINK I'M HALFWAY GETTING THAT RIGHT.

UM, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IN A GOOD SPOT FOR BRINGING OUR PROJECTS TO NACOG TO ADVOCATE.

UM, AGAIN, NOT JUST WITHIN OUR OWN LITTLE BOX, BUT IT DOES GET PUT INTO A GREATER CONTEXT OF ACTUALLY FOUR COUNTIES, UH, THAT MAKE UP NACO.

SO, UM, AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT MORE HOURS OF THE CROSSING GUARDS.

WITHOUT A DOUBT THEY'RE WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN GOLD WITHOUT A DOUBT.

IF WE CAN ONLY GET SOME MORE, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'RE PAYING THEM A, A DECENT WAGE AND WE CAN'T GET ENOUGH PEOPLE TO APPLY.

IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED, WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOLUNTEER? PAY YOU GOOD MONEY? NOBODY ELSE DOES MY HOURLY RATE MY AIRPLANE.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.

WE JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THESE GOOD PEOPLE TO DO IT.

SO, UH, OKAY.

BUT THANK YOU, ED.

UH, JESSICA, DID YOU HAVE YES, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THERE WAS A, THERE'S A VERDE VALLEY REGIONAL PLAN, UM, ON TRAFFIC THAT THEY PUT OUT RECENTLY.

AND THEY LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE THE S NEBBY HILL, AND THEY LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE THE CROSSING, AND THEY BASICALLY CAME OUT WITH A TOO HARD TO DO, NOT WORTH ANY, NOT WORTH PURSUING.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BITING THE BULLET.

AND, UH, DID WE GET THE RESULTS OF THAT, UH, STUDY? KAREN? WHICH STUDY? THE VOLPI STUDY? I'M SORRY.

NO, NO, NO, NO.

NOT YET.

BECAUSE THAT REALLY DID, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THIS.

THAT'S, THAT'S DONE BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, ED AND THAT'S, THAT WAS DONE RECENTLY.

OH, WELL WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION.

NO, NOT ON THE VOLPI STUDY.

NO.

OH, OKAY.

BUT THE VOLPI INSTITUTE, UH, CAME OUT HERE AND THEY DID A, A STUDY OF THE, THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ED THAT TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE YET.

SO IT HASN'T BEEN PUBLIC.

NOT AT ALL.

BUT WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT WAS.

YEAH, NO, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT WAS TOO.

AND MAYOR AND, AND IT'S ACTUALLY, VOLPI INSTITUTE IS PART OF FDOT, THE FEDERAL DOT.

SO IT'S NOT A, WE'RE NOT PAYING CONSULTANTS FOR THIS.

THIS LITERALLY IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAKING AN INTEREST IN OUR TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES HERE.

PLEASE TELL THE WORD YOU'RE SAYING.

IT SOUNDS LIKE VOL.

V AS IN VICTOR, OLPE, VOL.

P VOLPE INSTITUTE.

YOU CAN FIND THAT ONLINE.

THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT, BUT NOT A REPORT, UNFORTUNATELY.

CYNTHIA, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING OR, OKAY, STEVE, UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT POLICY 6.4 DOES, UH, ADDRESS MR. CUTLER'S, UH, PART OF YOUR CONCERN, UH, THAT BEING, PURSUING A COLLABORATIVE REGIONAL CIRCULATION PLAN THAT ADDRESSES DESTINATION ACCESS, TRANSIT AND PARKING.

AND NEXT UP WILL BE, UH, LESLIE, ARE YOU STILL? YEAH, LESLIE.

AND IT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY ERNIE STRAU.

I THINK I, ARE YOU STILL HERE? YEAH.

AND THEN SARAH, WATCH AFTER.

FOR PERMANENT PROTECTION, WHERE I GREW UP CONSERVE AND PRESERVE OUR SYNONYMOUS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS LESLIE WAGNER.

I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE.

MY HUSBAND AND I OWN TWO HOMES ON BARE WALLA LANE, AND WE'RE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IN TOWN AS WELL.

I REACHED OUT TO PRINCIPAL PLANNER, CYNTHIA LOVELY, VIA EMAIL ABOUT THE CHANGES BEING PROPOSED TO THE CITY PLAN REGARDING CONSERVATION EFFORTS AS THEY'RE BEING CALLED.

AND I WAS SURPRISED BY HER RESPONSE THAT THE DRAFT PLAN DOES NOT DIRECTLY PROPOSE THIS OR USE THE TERM CONSERVATION EFFORT.

AND MY RESPONSE TO CYNTHIA AND NOW TO YOU COUNSEL, IS THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN, SPECIFICALLY POLICY EIGHT THAT WAS IN THE INITIAL SLIDES TO QUOTE, PURSUE WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO ENSURE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PRESERVES THE OAK CREEK CORRIDOR, INCLUDING PERMANENT POTENTIAL FOR CITY ACQUISITION

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SO, YES, IN FACT, THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN ARE DIRECTLY USING CONSERVATION AS SMOKE AND MIRRORS FOR THIS BACK ROUTE ROUTE TO ALLOW TOURISM INTO THE BACKYARDS OF THE RESIDENTS OF BARE WALLA LANE.

IF YOUR TRUE AGENDA IS ABOUT PRESERVING OAK CREEK, DO YOU REALLY NOT THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN THE STEWARDS OF THE LAND THAT THEY LIVE ON AND OWN ARE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB AT PRESERVING IT? WE'VE MAINTAINED OUR PROPERTIES FOR OVER 50 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS, SO WE DO NOT NEED THE CITY TO STEP IN.

NOW, IN REFERENCE TO PAGE 45 OF THE COMMUNITY FOCUS PLAN, PROPOSED POTENTIAL FOR PUBLIC CREEK ACCESS AND OR SIDE PARK.

IS THIS A JOKE? WE'VE HAD SO MUCH LUCK WITH SIDEWALK ROCK BEING CLOSED 13 TIMES IN ONE YEAR DUE TO BACTERIA.

YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT THIS RIGHT INTO THE BACKYARD OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THESE TOURISTS ARE GOING TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.

HOW YOU PLAN TO KEEP GARBAGE DIRTY DIAPERS AND GLASS OUT OF THE CREEK.

WE ALREADY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH BROKEN GLASS FROM THE RESORT GUESTS ACROSS THE CREEK, AND NOW YOU'RE ADDING THOUSANDS OF TOURISTS TO THE MIX.

LET'S FACE THE FACTS.

THESE PROPOSED PUBLIC CREEK SPACES WILL ONLY BE USED BY TOURISTS.

ASK ANY RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND THEY'LL TELL YOU THERE'S NO WAY THEY'D GO TO SLIDE ROCK BECAUSE ONE, THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM, AND TWO, IT'S FILTHY AND RIDDLED WITH BACTERIA.

ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP CIGARETTE BUTTS FROM BEING FLICKED INTO THE DRY LEAVES THAT WILL BE PILED KNEE HIGH IN THE FALL FROM THE HUNDREDS OF SYCAMORE TREES LINING THE CREEK FROM BURNING OUR HOMES DOWN.

WE ALREADY HAVE A HECK OF A TIME FINDING INSURANCE COMPANY TO COVER OUR HOMES ON BARE WALLOW BECAUSE OF THE CRITICAL HIGH FIRE DANGER.

NOT ONLY IS A FIRE ITSELF A HUGE THREAT TO OUR PROPERTIES, BUT HOW WILL WE EVACUATE OUR HOMES AND SAVE THE LIVES OF OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILIES? WE HAVE A NEW RESORT BEING BUILT AT THE BOTTOM OF SIBLEY HILL ROAD.

MIND YOU, A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE DURING THE HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES OF COVID-19.

UH, THE REALITY IS THAT THIS TERRIBLE TRAFFIC PROBLEM, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THAT SIBLEY HILL ROUNDABOUT.

I ASK EVERYONE HERE, DO YOU WANT TOURISTS WALKING IN YOUR BACKYARD? DO YOU WANT TO OPEN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR HOME AND YOUR YARD SO THAT TOURISTS CAN HAVE MORE PLACES TO VISIT? DOES ANYONE ON COUNCIL HAVE A HOME IN ANY OF THESE AREAS? THAT'LL BE AFFECTED BY THE CHANGES SPECIFIC FINISH.

FINISH YOUR SENTENCE, UH, SPECIFICALLY ON OAK CREEK AND THE ESSENCE OF ADDING MORE PLAYGROUNDS FOR TOURISTS FOR CAN I FINISH THE WHOLE THING? YEAH, WE GET IT.

I THINK WE GET IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THAT WAS A FORMATIVE DEVICE.

MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION YOU WANT? I THOUGHT I SAW, I DID WANNA TALK ABOUT THE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME, BUT I, I HAD IT ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO DISCUSS, WHICH WAS ABOUT THE CREEK WALK AND THE BEAR YESTERDAY AREA, WHICH I TALK ABOUT NOW.

AND I WAS, WELL, WHY DON'T WE FINISH THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

AND THEN, UM, BUT THANK YOU, LESLIE, THAT WAS, IT WAS ON MY MIND BECAUSE OF YESTERDAY'S COMMENTS TOO.

BUT I, AT YOUR HOUSE TWO YEARS AGO, YOUR HOUSE, IT'S FABULOUS DOWN THERE.

IT'S VERY PRISTINE, ALMOST VIRGIN LAND.

ERNIE STRAU WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SARAH.

I'M ERNIE STRAU.

I LIVE IN SEDONA.

AND FRANKLY, I AGREE 100% WITH WHAT YOU SAID.

UM, LAST NIGHT, I THINK I WAS A LITTLE OVERLY CUTE, PERHAPS IN THE TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, AND, UH, COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON, UH, CALLED ME ON IT A LITTLE BIT.

I DID, BUT I ABSOLUTELY KNEW THAT IT'S THE LEGISLATURE THAT PROHIBITED THE PUBLIC THING.

MY POINT WAS THOUGH, THAT, UM, IN THE PAST, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING AS MAJOR AND LIFE CHANGING AND DRAMATIC AS ANNEXING OTHER LAND AROUND SEDONA, A PRIVATE CITIZEN LIKE ME COULD HAVE STARTED, UH, AN ISSUE TO HAVE PEOPLE OPPOSE THE ADOPTION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

THAT'S NO LONGER POSSIBLE.

IT'S ALL ALL YOURS.

IT'S IN YOUR, UH, BACK POCKET.

ACTION, IT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE ALMOST, UH, HIGHLY ENCOURAGED TO DO.

WHAT I'M REALLY HERE TO SAY IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AGAIN AT ITEM EIGHT, THERE ARE THREE PHRASES THAT WHEN I READ THEM DISTURBED ME.

THE FIRST PHRASE IS EVALUATE THE ANNEXATION OF LAND.

WHERE ARE YOU? I'M ON, UH, PAGE 48 ITEM.

AND THESE ARE LAND USE ACTIONS.

TO ME, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, WHEN WE HAD AN

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OKAY? NOT JUST A STRATEGY OR A POLICY, IT'S AN ACTION.

WE WANT SOMETHING DONE.

OKAY? SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO BE DONE.

EVALUATE THE ANNEXATION OF LAND.

AH, BUT THEN IT GOES ON, IT SAYS EXPANDING THE CITY LIMITS.

OH.

OH, OKAY.

EXPANDING THE CITY LIMITS.

WHERE, WHEN FOR WHAT PURPOSE? NOTHING SAYS ANY OF THAT.

UH, WE JUST ANNEX ANY LAND ANYWHERE.

RIGHT? THE THIRD SAYS TO ENCOMPASS ADDITIONAL PRIVATE LAND.

NOW, WE TALKED EARLIER AND, AND PETE MENTIONED, UH, AND, AND BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF THE DELLS VERSUS, UH, THE CULTURAL PARK.

AND YOU HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

UH, I HAVE NO POSITION ON THAT.

THIS WAS NOT MY POINT OF NOT AGREEING TO THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ELIMINATING, UH, ANY POSSIBILITY OF ANNEXING, UH, THE DELLS BECAUSE THE DELLS IS NOT PRIVATE LAND.

RIGHT? SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, I, I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ELEMENTS HERE.

AND IF THIS WERE TO REMAIN IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IT NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT EXACTLY.

MORE WHAT THIS THANK YOU.

WHAT THE POINT IS.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

SARAH, ANYBODY ELSE HERE? UH, WISHES TO SPEAK NOW WOULD BE THE ONLY TIME TODAY, UH, FILL OUT A CARD.

OTHERWISE, SARAH WILL BE OUR LAST.

I'M SARAH WATTS.

I LIVE IN SEDONA.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, GREET THE MAYOR, THE VICE MAYOR, THE COUNCIL, THE STAFF, AND COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR ENDURANCE YESTERDAY AND YOUR, UM, UM, PERSEVERANCE IN ADVANCING THE ZONING OF THE SAFE PLACES TO PARK, UH, FACILITY.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMEND OUR CITY MANAGER OSBORNE, FOR, UH, CORRECTING THE MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PREP SITE PREP AND CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEY'VE LEFT, BUT, OH, NO, SORRY.

THE, UH, HOUSING GROUP THAT WAS HERE LAST NIGHT.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR ENDURANCE.

I'VE JUST COME TO SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE COMMENT MADE LAST NIGHT BY, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME, ABOUT, UM, CONTINUING TO INVESTIGATE THE NOISE POLLUTION, UH, THE ACCELERATING NOISE POLLUTION IN SEDONA.

AND, UM, THE SOURCES OF IT.

I THINK THE OHV INITIATIVE LAST YEAR, UM, WAS PART OF THAT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO, AND I, I APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE I'VE ONLY READ A HUNDRED PAGES OF THE, UM, PROGRAM, I MEAN THE PLAN.

BUT, UM, IT MAY BE IN THERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE NOISE POLLUTION AS A, A TOPIC, UM, ADDRESSED.

THANK YOU, SARAH.

OKAY, WE'LL BE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, COMING BACK.

WE'LL GIVE IT BACK TO, TO CYNTHIA AND STEVE.

UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT, WELL, WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE BARE WALLOW.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

THE BARE WALLOW, UH, YES.

ABOUT THE CREEK WALK.

SO THAT'S IN THE GO PLAN.

THERE'S, THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A MAP IN THERE OR A LAND TOPOGRAPHY AND HAS ALL THE YELLOW LINES.

UM, WHAT THIS IS REFERRING TO, AND, AND I THINK WE CAN SAY THIS IN GENERAL ABOUT ALL PLANNING, IS LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, UM, AND WHAT WE DEAL WITH SOMETIMES DAILY, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, WEAR PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS, UM, SOMETIMES NOT VERY OFTEN AS, AS WE'RE HEARING THAT THERE ARE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAD THE SAME PARCEL FOR MAYBE 50 YEARS.

AND IT, AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT CLOSELY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE ALL THEIR, THROUGH ALL THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO IT'S ACTUALLY IN TWO DIFFERENT PLANS.

UM, THE SCH, NIBLEY HILL, CFA PLAN, AS WELL AS THE GO PLAN.

AND, UM, ACTUALLY I HAD A NOTE HERE ON THE ACTION ITEM.

JUST TELL US WHERE YOU ARE SO WE CAN FOLLOW.

SHE REFERENCED, UM, ACTION EIGHT ON PAGE 89, WHICH IS PURSUE WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO ENSURE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PRESERVES THE OAK CREEK CORRIDOR.

UM, AND THEN THE NEXT PIECE ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR CITY ACQUISITION.

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BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE ALSO DEAL WITH A LOT OF SITUATIONS WHERE PROPERTIES ARE CHANGING HANDS AND BEING DEVELOPED.

AND THIS STATEMENT, THERE'S, THERE'S NO UNDERLYING, UM, , UH, INTENT OTHER THAN TO PROTECT THE CREEK FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WHICH COULD BE IN THE FORM OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, OR IT COULD BE A RESORT OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF THAT.

UM, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY TO GO PUT A TRAIL IN NEXT TO EVERYBODY'S HOUSE, IT'S LOOKING OUT INTO THE FUTURE WHEN THOSE HOUSES MAY CHANGE HANDS AND BE PURCHASED BY, UM, SAY A LARGE LANDOWNER, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN HAPPEN IN THAT AREA.

UM, AND IT IS MAKING THE POINT THAT WHEN THOSE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS COME THROUGH TO THE CITY, THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, UH, COMMUNITY BENEFIT WISE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WHETHER IT'S PRESERVING THE CREEK OR PUTTING IN A PATHWAY.

UM, SO THAT IS LIKE THE LENS THAT WE SEE THESE THINGS THROUGH IS LOOKING OUT INTO THE FUTURE WHEN A, A HOMEOWNER MAY NO LONGER OWN THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND IT COULD BE CORPORATE INVESTOR LOOKING AT BUILDING A LARGE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT BEHIND THAT STATEMENT.

SO, SO TO ASSUAGE PEOPLE'S FEARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO, THROUGH EMINENT DOMAIN, TAKE THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND HAVE TOURISTS WALKING IN THEIR BACKYARD, CAN WE CHANGE THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT TO THIS STATEMENT? BECAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE.

WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND WHATEVER STATEMENTS HERE THAT WE CAN CHANGE, AND THE OTHER PLANS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE, DONE THROUGH ANOTHER PROCESS.

AND AGAIN, THERE ARE PLANS.

IT, THESE AREN'T, UM, THINGS THAT WOULD HAPPEN TOMORROW.

AGAIN, IT'S AS DEVELOPMENTS COME THROUGH.

SO IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY, UH, THAT WE COULD CHANGE, UM, IN THIS PLAN, WELL, INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL FOR CITY ACQUISITION FOR PERMANENT PROTECTION WHEN PROPERTIES BECOME AVAILABLE YEAH.

SALE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD, RIGHT.

AND AN EXAMPLE, JUST SO THAT, UM, PEOPLE CAN KIND OF PICTURE IN THEIR MIND WHERE WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS BEFORE, ACROSS THE CREEK AND UPSTREAM, UM, THERE'S ROUGHLY 19 ACRES THAT WE'VE HAD MANY DEVELOPERS LOOKING AT TO DEVELOP THAT.

AND OUR BIG CONCERN IS KEEPING IT NATURAL IN THE WAY IT IS, BECAUSE THE PRIVATE LAND ACTUALLY GOES ACROSS THE CREEK.

AND WE'VE MET WITH QUITE A FEW DEVELOPERS WITH MANY IDEAS, UM, THAT I THINK THE CITY WOULD REALLY NOT LIKE TO SEE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHERE THIS LANGUAGE IS GOING.

SO WE CAN ADD, UM, AS MADE AVAILABLE AS OPPORTUNITIES ARISE, ET CETERA.

SO THAT'S A, THAT'S THE INTENT, IS TO KIND OF PREVENT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WOULD NOT WANNA SEE NEAR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WE HAVE MET WITH PLENTY OF DEVELOPERS WITH LOTS OF CRAZY IDEAS, INCLUDING ONE THAT WANTED TO HELICOPTER PEOPLE IN BECAUSE IT WAS A HILL THAT YOU COULDN'T GET A ROAD TO.

SO WE CAN'T TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO, ANSWER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? I JUST, IF YES OR NO, AND YES.

UH, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE THEN, AND THEN FILL OUT A CARD? YES.

YOU COULD FILL IT OUT AFTERWARDS.

CHANGED, THEN, THEN IT CAN BECOME AN OPTION.

HOW DO YOU NAME, OH, I'M SORRY, MIRIAM ACKERLEY.

I HAVE A HOME ON BARE WALL, TWO 90 BARE WALLA LANE.

HOW DO YOU, HOW, IF YOU LEAVE THAT LANGUAGE, I WAS, I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IF IT GOES INTO THE CFA PLAN, THAT THEN IT CAN BE CHANGED.

THE CODE CAN BE CHANGED.

AND WHEN A CODE IS

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IS THAT, IS THAT, CAN SOMEONE CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? SO WITH THE, WHETHER IT IS THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, OR A CFA, WHICH THE STATE CONSIDERS A SPECIFIC AREA OF PLAN, RIGHT? THESE ARE ALL GUIDING DOCUMENTS.

THERE'S NO REGULATORY, UM, ASPECT TO THEM.

THEY'RE GUIDING IN THE SENSE THAT IF THE CITY GOES TO AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH MIGHT ALLOW FOR CERTAIN THINGS, THAT IS LIKE A SEPARATE, UH, PUBLIC PLANNING PROCESS.

AND SO THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE INPUT INTO THAT.

BUT WHATEVER IS IN A CFA PLAN OR THE GO PLAN GENERAL PLAN, THESE ARE NOT REGULATORY.

UH, SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF KURT HAS ANY MORE TO ADD ON THAT.

WHAT, AGAIN, I'M, THIS IS MY IGNORANCE SHOWING, BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REGULATORY AND CODE? WHAT CODE IS REGULATORY? UM, OH, THE PLAN IS NOT, BUT A CODE IS REGULATORY.

SO, SO IT COULD CHANGE FROM A PLAN TO REGULATORY, IS THAT ONLY IF PUBLIC PROCESS? NO, ONLY THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS AFTER, AFTER A PUBLIC PROCESS WOULD, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED.

AND AND WHAT IS A GO GO? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

WHAT'S A GO THE GO PLAN? YEAH, WE'RE, OH, I'M SORRY.

THAT WAS THE, A BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN PLAN.

IS THAT IN THE WORKS OR HAS THAT BEEN, UH, APPROVED OR, OKAY, THAT ONE IS COMPLETED AND IT IS KIND OF A OFFSHOOT OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT REGULATORY, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY SUGGESTING THAT SOMEBODY GO OUT AND BUILD A PATHWAY.

IT IS THERE SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE IS A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT COMING THROUGH, UM, IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO, UM, NEGOTIATE WITH THAT DEVELOPER.

BUT IT IS NOT REGULATORY EITHER.

MAY I SAY SOMETHING? UH, UH, YES.

SO LET ME, LET ME SEE IF THIS A ASKS YOUR QUESTION.

UM, THERE IS, THERE'S NO INDICATION HERE NOR IN THE PLAN, NOR IN OUR CODES, NOR IN THE GO PLAN FOR US TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN OR ANY OTHER PROCEDURE TO TAKE LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PRIVATE HANDS AND TURN IT INTO A, UH, SHARED USE PATH, UM, ALLOWING INDIVIDUALS TO THEN USE IT FOR BIKING, HIKING, OR WHATEVER THROUGH THAT AREA.

IS THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT.

I AM.

AND YET, IN, IN THE LANGUAGE OF THAT HUGE DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE READ THROUGH, IT DOES SAY THAT, UM, YOU DO TALK ABOUT ACQUISITIONS AND, UM, ACQUIRING THEM.

AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD ALSO MEAN IF YOU WANTED THAT ON PAGE 48 OF THE COMMUNITY FOCUS PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, UH, EVALUATE THE ANNEXATION OF LAND, EXPANDING SOME PRIVATE LAND.

AND THE LANGUAGE IS ALSO SO VAGUE THAT I'M AFRAID THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S AMBIGUOUS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN WALK ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND I DON'T WANNA BE ON THE WRONG SIDE BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR PRIVACY.

UM, SO, OKAY.

UH, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? NO.

ANYTHING ELSE, MELISSA? HOLLY? OKAY.

FEEL FREE THOUGH.

I MIGHT TO MEET WITH OUR, I, I GOT THEIR CARD AND I'M, I'M, I'M GOING TO CALL.

UM, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE WHAT ALL OF YOU DID AND LISTEN TO ME EARLIER.

UM, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IT IS SOMETIMES HARD WHEN YOU DON'T GET TO TALK BACK AND FORTH.

SO, BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THEM OR YOU CAN CONTACT ANY OF THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

YEAH, ANY OF US.

WELL, THANK YOU.

WE'RE VERY HAPPY.

I'VE COME DOWN TO YOUR HOUSE IN THE PAST BY ALL MEANS.

BUT I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.

AND JUST, JUST TO MENTION THAT I HAVE OPEN HOURS AT THE OFFICE THAT'S RIGHT AT THE LIBRARY EVERY MONDAY FROM 10 TO 12.

YOU SHOULD TRY THAT.

WHERE ANYONE CAN COME BY AND TALK TO ME ABOUT ANY ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE CITY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A POINT AT WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS GONNA BE THERE.

RIGHT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, BUT, BUT THIS IS A HOT BUTTON AND WE'RE ALL, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC THING.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND THIS WHOLE ANNEXATION PIECE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE CONCERNING SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, SHOULD WE BE MORE SPECIFIC? ISN'T THE PURPOSE OF THE PLAN TO BE MORE HIGHER LEVEL AND NOT BE SPECIFIC?

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SO WHY NOT LOOK AT THAT BCA AHEAD? IS THAT THE, WHEN WE WERE HEARING COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WHEN THEY HAD ANNEX ANNEXATION IN THEIR MIND THEY WERE THINKING OF VOC.

SO NOT NO, WE'RE NOT, JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

THEY WERE WORRIED WE WERE TAKING IT OR THEY, THEY SOME OF 'EM WERE PROPOSING IT.

DID THEY LIVE IN THE VOC? YES.

OR, OR THEY JUST THOUGHT, WELL, THE MOST RECENT ONE I CAN THINK OF, I THINK WAS AT OUR WORKSHOP IN JANUARY.

UM, WHO THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE A WAY OF, UM, HELPING OUR HOUSING SITUATION .

SO MOST OF THEM WERE NOT IN THEIR MINDS THINKING DELLS, FOR EXAMPLE, I SHOULD SAY THANK YOU, BUT THAT I CAN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK FOR P AND Z.

WHO IS, THAT'S WHO COMMEND RECOMMENDED THIS.

DID YOU QUESTION ANSWER? WELL, NO, I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE AS A BODY, IF WE WANNA BE MORE SPECIFIC IN THAT ME ASK WHERE YOU'RE REFERENCING PAGE BACK TO NOW.

WHATCHA REFERENCING 40? I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT IS.

PAGE 48, EARNINGS PAGE.

PAGE ITEM ITEM EIGHT.

EVALUATE THE ACCUSATION OF LAND, EXPANDING CITY LIMITS, JESSICA, TO THE EXTENT THAT EVERYBODY, OR WE'RE GONNA LOOK, EVERYBODY'S GONNA LOOK AT IT AND ASSUME IT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEIR LAND.

IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA WITH THAT IDEA.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

TO DO WHAT? TO SPECIFY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DELLS.

UM, WELL, WE'RE NOT, IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE TOO.

BUT WE WOULDN'T BE A PRIVATE LAND.

OKAY, THEN YES, IT SAYS PRIVATE LAND IN THERE.

IT DOES SAY PRIVATE.

AND I WONDER WHY THAT'S IN THERE.

PRIVATE IS REFERRING ALSO TO CITY OWNED PROPERTY, RIGHT? BUT SO THAT'S SORT OF COUNTERINTUITIVE.

OWNED AND OPPOSED TO NATIONAL LAND, RIGHT? YEAH.

THAT'S TOTALLY NOT COMMON LANGUAGE AS OPPOSED TO FEDERAL, WHICH IS MOST OF THE LAND OUT THERE.

OH, WELL I THINK THAT'S A ARCANE DECISION DISTINCTION THAT'S NOT UNDERSTOOD BY US, LET ALONE ANYBODY, ANY RESIDENT THAT MIGHT READ IT AND DECIDE WE'RE COMING FOR THEIR BACKYARDS.

EXCEPT THAT'S NOT REALLY ANNEXATION.

I UNDERSTAND.

ALONG THE CREEK WALK.

I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND.

MAYOR, MAYOR, WEIGH IN ON THIS TOO.

YES, PLEASE.

YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTION OF TRYING TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS.

I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA STATE, I FOR 1:00 AM STILL REMAIN SUPPORTIVE OF KILLING THE WHOLE ANNEXATION CONVERSATION IN THIS DOCUMENT.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT, IT DESERVES A, A PLACE HERE.

BUT I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENT HERE.

IF YOU, IF IF YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE IT IN, THEN IT SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC THOUGHTS.

I'M GOOD WITH BEING MORE SPECIFIC.

AND HOW SO? EXPANDING CITY LIMITS TO ENCOMPASS CITY OWNED LAND, KURT.

IF YOU FELT THAT THAT IS MORE SPECIFIC.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

I'M SEEING HIS HEAD'S NODDING UP AND DOWN HERE.

SO, OH, I THINK WE'RE ALL, I ENCOMPASS CITY OWNED LAND, UM, NOT CONNECTED TO THE CITY IN THE COUNTY OF YAVAPI.

THAT MIGHT BE TOO, THAT MIGHT BE TOO SPECIFIC.

COMMONLY CALLED THE BILLS .

IF WE LEFT OUT YAVAPAI COUNTY AND JUST SAID NOT CONNECTED TO THE CITY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD.

WELL THEN GO FOR, SO KURT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN, PLEASE? NO.

AND ANY EXPANSION OF ANNEXATION IS GONNA BE LAND THAT'S NOT CONNECTED TO THE CITY RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T.

WELL, BUT YEAH.

OF CITY OWNED LAND.

CITY OWNED LAND NOT CONNECTED TO CITY.

THAT SECOND PART'S JUST NOT NEEDED.

I DON'T, IN OTHER PLACES IT WOULDN'T BE THAT WAY.

I SEE.

BUT HERE, WE, I MEAN IF IT'S CITY OWNED LAND, IT'S, YOU'RE RIGHT.

HAVE WE, HAVE WE CONFUSED YOU GUYS OR ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? I THINK WE'RE THERE.

SO DOES THAT SOLVE OKAY.

ARE WE IN AGREEMENT? YES, EXACTLY.

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WE GOT IT.

NEXT PLEASE.

AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK AFTER THE NEXT SECTION.

OR NOW ONE OR THE OTHER.

NOW LET'S TAKE A BREAK NOW IT'LL TAKE 20 MINUTES.

15 MINUTES, JOANNE? 25 TO FIVE.

WELL LET'S MAKE SURE WE'VE, THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE FEEL LIKE THEY COULD LEAVE MORE CARD.

THERE'S NO MORE CARD.

THE 19TH AND THE 26TH.

I'VE GOT ON WHAT WE MADE THIS PRETTIER.

WE DID THIS.

TAKE A SEAT PLEASE.

CYNTHIA.

HOW FAR ARE WE NOW IN THE BOOK? I MEAN, OTHER THAN WHAT I SEE HERE, 48 VERSUS A HUNDRED AND HUNDRED.

CAN WE GO BACK AND FORTH? WE BEEN BACK.

WE HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH, BUT WE HAVE COVERED, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING IT LOOKS LIKE, EXCEPT FOR THE ECONOMY CHAPTER.

WE TOUCHED ON ENVIRONMENT.

WE HAVEN'T DONE TOURISM.

OH, THAT'S WITH THE ECONOMY TOURISM, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE THE ENVIRONMENT.

JUST A LITTLE BIT.

'CAUSE I HAVE SOME COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO JUST FOR THE COUNSEL, BRIAN'S NOT HERE, BUT I'D SORT OF LIKE TO GET OUTTA HERE BEFORE EIGHT O'CLOCK OR NINE O'CLOCK OR 10 O'CLOCK, SO OH, PLEASE.

BUT THAT'S MY POINT.

BUT WE, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET THIS DONE TONIGHT.

I THINK WE HAVE TO GET IT DONE TONIGHT.

ARE YOU IN GOOD SHAPE? YES.

JUST WAITING FOR YOU, BRIAN.

OKAY, CARRY ON.

OH, , SORRY.

UH, LET ME BACK UP JUST A MINUTE.

IT TO HAVEN'T BEEN STANDING SO MUCH.

OKAY, SO GOING BACK TO UH, THE PRESENTATION I ALREADY MENTIONED THE CHANGES FROM 2013, UM, THE P AND Z CHANGES, WHICH IN THE MARCH 5TH DRAFT ARE MARCH.

UM, THERE'S A LITTLE RED NOTE IN AN ARROW AND THEY ARE UNDERLINED.

UM, AND THEN WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, OR AT LEAST I EXPLAINED THIS, YOU ALL CAN DISCUSS IT.

UM, SO THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD ON ENVIRONMENT.

SO WE CAN START DISCUSSION ON THAT CHAPTER, WHICH IS PAGE 77, PETE.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THESE ARE ALL KIND OF SMALLISH ISSUES.

ONE OF 'EM IN PARTICULARLY IS SMALL, BUT IT'S CURIOUS TO MY MIND, PAGE 77, AT LEAST ON THE, LET ME MAKE SURE IT'S STILL PAGE 77, PAGE 77, UP AT THE OVERVIEW SECTION OF ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABLE KEY ISSUES.

THE SECOND TO LAST BULLET TALKS ABOUT THE INVASIVE TREE OF HEAVEN.

THAT JUST SEEMED RATHER SPECIFIC.

, I'VE GOT CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I HATE THAT TREE .

AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, IT'S LIKE THERE ARE SEVEN, THERE ARE OVER 70 I THINK, UH, INVASIVE SPECIES CALLED OUT IN THE COOPERATIVE EXTENSION, RIGHT? YEAH.

WITH LANDS THAT ARE OUTSIDE, NEARBY, PERHAPS, UH, OUR, OUR CITY LIMITS.

AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED UM, IN THE, THE RECENT MEETING, UM, WITH GAME AND FISH AND FOREST SERVICE.

UM, AND I THINK AS FAR AS WHICH ONE IS THE WORST, MIGHT DEPEND ON WHAT YOUR DISCIPLINE IS OR YOUR OPINION.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD REMINDER FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UM, WE CREATED A PLANT LIST AND SO THAT WAS REALLY, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE CODE, IT HAS TO DO WITH DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND SO WE DO HAVE A LIST OF, OF THE MAJOR WEEDS THAT ARE OF CONCERN IN SEDONA.

UM, SO THERE CERTAINLY ARE OTHERS.

THAT ONE I THINK IS PROBABLY THE MOST PROMINENT BECAUSE IT'S THE LARGEST OTHER THAN MAYBE SIBERIAN ELEMENT AND TAMARIS TREES.

UM, I THINK THAT, SO I MEAN WE CAN ADD IN THE OTHER ONES HERE ARE, HERE ARE THE ONES OF MAJOR CONCERN AND OTHERS OR, OR WHATEVER.

IT JUST SEEMED ODDLY SPECIFIC.

YEAH, SHE .

AND THEN ON PAGE 78 MM-HMM, AND POLICY 7.1, WHICH IS PARTNERING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE FOR LANDS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS TO REMAIN O PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.

I WONDER IF WE CAN'T BROADEN THAT JUST TO PAR, YOU KNOW, BE TALKING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE EVEN

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SO THEY'RE NOT EXCHANGED FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT 89.

WHAT DID I HAVE HERE? WHERE ARE YOU PETE? NO, I'M LOOKING AT MY NOTE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND MY OWN NOTES.

SOMETIMES THAT'S MAY OR MAY I ASK A FOLLOW ON QUESTION TO COUNCILOR FURMAN'S POLICY 7.1 MM-HMM.

SO IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT A LAND SWAP, CAN YOU NOT ANNEX THE FOREST SERVICE LAND? AND THEN CAN YOU PUT A ZONING CATEGORY ON FOREST SERVICE LAND IF YOU'VE ANNEXED IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE? YEAH.

SO IF, IF, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IF LANDS ANNEX, THEN IT, IT AUTOMATICALLY GETS THE CLOSEST ZONING THAT WE HAVE TO WHAT IT WAS WHEN WE ANNEXED IT.

SO WHAT IT'S GONNA GET IS GO IS WHATEVER THE COUNTY HAS IT ZONED AS.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY HAS.

UM, A LOT OF IT'S AT LEAST, SO AT LEAST FOR AN EXAMPLE OF THE DELLS AND THE WASTEWATER THAT'S ZONED THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL TWO ACRE, UM, PER UNIT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HOW THAT, IF THAT'S THE LEAST DENSE THAT THE COUNTY HAS.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE REST OF IT IS, BUT YES, IT WOULD COME IN AND THEN WE COULD CONTROL ZONING ON IT.

SO IS THAT ACTUALLY A GOOD DEFENSIVE STRATEGY? I I THINK YOU'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

LAND SWAPS VERSUS, VERSUS THE ZONING.

UM, ONE'S JUST PREVENTING IT, THE, IT BECOMING PRIVATELY OWNED IN PERIOD MM-HMM.

, I MEAN, BUT POLICY 7.3 ALSO KIND OF RELATES THE FOREST SERVICE WILL NOT ALLOW, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

IS THERE MORE ON THAT? I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 90.

PAGE 90, ENVIRONMENTAL ACTION 19.

YEP, THAT'S STILL THERE.

ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE DOING A, A VERY SPECIFIC CALL OUT TO AN ENTITY AND MAYBE IT'S USEFUL OR, AND OR OTHERS IN THERE AS WELL.

WERE YOU LOOKING WHAT NUMBER? PAGE EIGHT, UH, PAGE 90, ENVIRONMENTAL ACTION 19, WHICH IS THE VERDE WATERSHED RESTORATION COALITION.

THERE'S LOTS OF FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING ON INVASIVE SPECIES, SO THERE'S NO CHANGE YOU FIND ADDING OR OTHERS.

I DIDN'T HEAR THAT PART.

THAT'S IT FOR ENVIRONMENT FOR ME.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ENVIRONMENT? I DO, SIR.

IT'S JUST SORT OF THIS MORE BROAD SORT OF IDEA.

LISTEN.

SO ON, UM, PAGE 77, WE HEARD THIS LAST NIGHT AS WELL ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASING AMOUNT OF NOISE INSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.

YOU HAVE A REFERENCE THERE, LIKE TO THE OHV NOISE AND TRAFFIC THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT I'VE HEARD FREQUENTLY IS THAT THERE'S NO TRAILHEADS, UM, YOU KNOW, DOWN INSPIRATION, BUT THERE'S NOW A LOT OF OHVS GOING DOWN THERE THINKING MAYBE THERE WILL BE OR THEY'RE GONNA FIND ONE.

AND WE, SO WE, WE HAVE THE SAME THING OVER IN THE WEST SEDONA NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH THERE, NOT ON DRY CREEK, UM, I'M ASSUMING THINKING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TRAILHEADS, UM, FOR THEIR OHVS.

SO NOISE IS BECOMING A BIGGER AND BIGGER CONCERN WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, UH, JUST GENERAL NOISE POLLUTION AND THEN THE OHV.

SO YOU REFERENCE THE OOHV HERE AS A FORM OF TRAFFIC.

UM, BUT THEN I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE.

THERE'S NO POLICY AROUND THIS THAT I CAN FIND NO ACTION ITEMS AROUND THIS THAT I CAN FIND.

IT'S LIKE THIS POOR LITTLE ORPHANED KEY ISSUE THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A HOME.

SO I WAS WONDERING WHERE YOU WOULD PUT IT AND WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE AS A COUNCIL THINK THIS SHOULD BE BROADENED BEYOND JUST OHV NOISE, BUT ALSO INTO GENERAL NOISE POLLUTION, UM, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH COULD BE LOUD MUSIC FROM, YOU KNOW, STRS.

IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, LOUD NOISES COMING FROM NEW EVENT CENTERS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

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SO THERE'S TWO THINGS THERE.

ONE IS, SHOULD WE BROADEN THIS AND INCLUDE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S MORE ABOUT JUST NOISE IN GENERAL? UM, AND THE GUIDANCE AROUND THAT, WHATEVER THAT WOULD TURN INTO.

AND THEN THIS, THIS LITTLE SET OF KEY ISSUES, WHICH I COULDN'T FIND ANY REFERENCE TO.

BUT DON'T WE HAVE OUR NOISE CODE? YES.

DOESN'T THAT JUST COVER EVERYTHING? IT'S A WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE IN HERE? I MEAN, OHV NOISE AND TRAFFIC THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS.

WELL, THE NOISE WITH THE OHVS, WHAT WE'VE WORKED ON, WE'RE WORKING ON IT, UH, TO HAVE IT CALLED OUT HERE.

I DON'T, I DON'T SORT OF THINK IT'S KIND OF POINTLESS.

WELL, IT'S, IT'S A MATTER PERHAPS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD, UM, ONCE AGAIN THINK ABOUT REVIEWING WHAT THOSE ORDINANCES STATE AS FAR AS DECIBEL LEVELS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON, ARE CONCERNED SORT OF GENERALLY WHAT'S COMMERCIAL, WHAT'S RESIDENTIAL? JUST, JUST BECAUSE THE VOLUME OF NOISE ITSELF IS STARTING TO INCREASE.

UM, I I'M NOT, I'M NOT HAVING A SOLUTION HERE.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'VE HEARD THIS NOW FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I HEARD IT LAST NIGHT AND WE MENTIONED THIS IS A KEY ISSUE, BUT THEN THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO IT.

LIKE WE ALREADY TALK ABOUT IT IN OUR CODES TO YOUR POINT, BUT THERE'S IF'S A KEY ISSUE THEN IT SEEMS IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

UM, AS IN OTHER AREAS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, WE CAN HAVE AN ACTION ITEM OF LOOKING AT A REEVALUATING, UH, THE NOISE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN OUR CODES, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING, AS THE MAYOR DID SAY, WE DO HAVE THAT AVAILABILITY NOW, BUT MAYBE WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT'S NOT ENOUGH OR MAYBE OUR LEVELS ARE TOO HIGH OR MAYBE, UH, THAT, THAT WE ALLOW.

UM, SO, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE LEANING TOWARDS IS MORE OF AN ACTION ITEM TO REEVALUATE THE CODES IN THAT AREA.

I HONESTLY WASN'T LEANING TOWARDS ANYTHING IN SPECIFIC.

UM, I JUST KNOW WE MENTIONED SOMETHING AS A KEY ISSUE HERE AND THEN DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT AT ALL.

AND THEN, UM, WE ARE STARTING TO HEAR AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY BELIEVE THERE'S A RISING INCIDENTS OF LOUDER AND MORE CONTINUOUS, UH, NOISE INSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S HANDLED THROUGH THE CODES, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M KIND OF GENERALLY WANTING TO LEAVE THAT TO YOU GUYS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MEANS AND JUST PRESENT SORT OF WITH THE ISSUE.

AND ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS COUNSEL THAT YOU WILL BRING TO US AT SOME POINT? OKAY, SO BRIAN, BRIAN, YOU GOT SOMETHING TO ME, THIS FEELS LIKE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM OF ASKING TO HAVE AN AGENDA IS TO HAVE A WORK SESSION PERHAPS EVALUATING IT, ET CETERA.

I DON'T SEE WHERE IT REQUIRES ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION IN THE PLAN.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT NECESSARILY.

I JUST DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE, I MEAN, OTHER THAN SAYING EVALUATE OUR CODE CURRENTLY AND ITS ENFORCEMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WOULD SAY, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, YOU KNOW, TO ACTUALLY TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

AND I WOULD ALSO BE, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE OF, OH, THINGS ARE GETTING LOUDER.

YEAH, YEAH.

I'M NOT, OKAY.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I WANNA, I MEAN THIS IS, PEOPLE SAY , I'M JUST NOT HAPPY WITH JUST HAVING AGENDA ITEMS. THIS SORT OF RANDOM AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW, NON-SPECIFIC AND, AND JUST SORT OF, LET'S EXPLORE, THIS JUST DOESN'T, DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME.

I, UM, WHAT'S RANDOM ABOUT EXAMINE OUR NOISE ORDINANCE AND EVALUATE ITS APPLICABILITY AND EFFICACY IN THE YEAR 2024 WELL, WE DON'T NEED AN AGENDA FOR THAT.

THEY CAN DO IT, AND IF IT'S REQUIRED, THEY'LL CHANGE THE CODE.

I'M, I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM CYNTHIA FIRST ON EXACTLY WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.

MAYBE THEY'RE COMING CLOSE TO BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL ANYWAY.

ARE YOU HAVING ANY KINDA UPDATES? I BELIEVE IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA, AT LEAST OHVS, APRIL 9TH.

UM, BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADD IS THAT, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DATE, 2016 OR SOMETHING, UM, WHERE THE CITY DID, UH, THE OHV REPORT, IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT.

AS PART OF THAT, WE DID LOOK AT OUR SOUND CODE.

UH, WE DID TESTING DECIBEL LEVEL TESTING TO TRY TO GET AT WHAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP IS THAT, UM, PEOPLE'S

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PERCEPTION OF THE NOISE AND HOW THAT RELATES TO OUR CODE.

AND SO WE HAVE INFORMATION IN THE REPORT ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD TALK MORE ABOUT, BUT I, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN HOW IT WOULD FIT.

I DON'T SEE IT FITTING AT ALL IN A COMMUNITY PLAN, POSSIBLE AGENDA ITEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, COUNCILOR F IS SAYING, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT THE COMMITTEE, IT'S, IT'S OKAY, MELISSA.

I THINK IT IS JUST SORT OF HANGING OUT THERE IN, IN, IN NO MAN'S LAND.

SO I, BUT YES, I KNOW YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

YEAH, I, I SUPPORT THIS, UH, THIS OBSERVATION THAT WE'VE GOT A KEY ISSUE, BUT THEN NOTHING ADDRESSED IN IT.

AND SO I STRUGGLE.

I HADN'T SEEN THAT.

I, I STRUGGLE WITH THAT AS WELL.

NOT THAT I WANT TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL OF OUR KEY ISSUES AND SEE IF WE'VE GOT THINGS IN THERE, .

I DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

BUT YOU, YOU POINT THIS OUT AND, AND NOISE IS A CONSTANT ISSUE THAT'S BROUGHT UP AMONGST OUR RESIDENTS, OUR COMMUNITY, AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE, EXPLORE ITEMS IN HERE, MAY EXPLORE SOMETHING ABOUT THE NOISE, YOU KNOW, SOLUTIONS FOR NOISE IMPROVEMENT IN OUR CODE, WHATEVER IT IS.

BUT I, I SEE THE DICHOTOMY THAT YOU, YOU POINTED OUT, AND I, I THINK THAT'S, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW FROM KURT, IS THERE ANYTHING MORE THAT WE COULD REALLY DO WITH OUR SOUND CODE THAT WOULD NOT, UH, BE VIOLATING STATE ORDINANCES OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT? I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE WASTING OUR TIME WITH? S SO, UH, AND, AND I THINK THE, THE GENERAL PLAN CAN ADDRESS THINGS LARGER THAN JUST THE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

UM, THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO MITIGATE SOUND OTHER THAN JUST THROUGH OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.

BUT COUNCIL DID LAST UPDATE THE NOISE ORDINANCE IN 2021.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S SITTING PRETTY GOOD RIGHT NOW.

UM, BUT, UH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE CAN'T BE, IT CAN'T BE EXPLORED AS TO OTHER WAYS TO MITIGATE NOISE OUTSIDE OF A, OF, UM, THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO NO, THERE'S NOTHING MORE WE CAN DO ON OHV NOISE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT A STATEMENT.

AND THAT'S THE POINT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE OHV NOISE.

BUT WHAT WE COULD DISCUSS THAT MORE ON APRIL 9TH.

BUT, UH, JESSICA, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I GUESS I'D BE INTERESTED, IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING.

UM, AND IF IT'S A QUESTION OF MAYBE SIGNAGE TO DIRECT PEOPLE AWAY FROM IT OR, OR SAY NO FOREST ACCESS DON'T COME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

IT JUST, IT SEEMS, JUST SEEMS SO AMORPHOUS TO ME.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

I HAVE NO IDEA OF OF WHO'S COMPLAINING WHERE THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT.

IS IT, IS IT GEOGRAPHICALLY LOCATED SOMEWHERE? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, AND I, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF'S TIME IS WORTH LIKE TRYING TO IDENTIFY ALL THE INDIVIDUAL.

UH, MAYBE WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SORT OF GATHER THE INFORMATION.

I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST, THIS SEEMS AWFULLY VAGUE TO ME, STEVE.

UM, SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S TWO THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, ONE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, SHOULD WE EVEN BE ADDRESSING NOISE ISSUES WITHIN HERE? BUT I THINK THE OTHER PART THAT COUNCILOR DUNN WAS TRYING TO MAKE, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, IS THAT WE REFERENCE THIS AS A KEY ISSUE, BUT THEN NOWHERE ELSE IN THIS CHAPTER DO WE IDENTIFY A POLICY OR AN ACTION OR, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER.

WELL, JUST TO THROW IT OUT THERE, UM, OHV FOR IT COULD FIT UNDER YOUR POLICY 7.6, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE THAT IS ON NOW.

UH, 81, IS IT STILL STILL 81 ? I BELIEVE SO.

AND, AND THE REASON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FOSTERING RESPONSIBLE RECREATION THROUGH MESSAGING AND WAY FINDING, THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE WHERE WE BRING UP THE TERM OHV AGAIN TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE MAKE SURE WE REDIRECT THEM, UM, AWAY FROM PLACES WHERE THERE ARE NO TRAILHEADS OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU WOULD WANNA SAY.

BUT IT'S BASICALLY, PERHAPS IT FITS THERE.

SO THERE, THERE'S AT LEAST SOME CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC PART OF IT, IF NOT JUST THE NOISE PART OF IT.

UM, I REALIZE WHERE THE NOISE ORDINANCE THING IS WHAT IT IS, BUT AGAIN, THERE HAS TO BE IN ME, TO ME, THERE HAS TO BE THIS TIE SOMEWHERE TO THE,

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TO THAT KEY ISSUE.

'CAUSE IT IS A KEY ISSUE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO TO, UM, KIND OF SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT IN THE INTRODUCTION, UH, WE'VE GOT KEY KEY ISSUES AND OHV OHVS IS ADDRESSED THERE.

UM, IT COULD BE MORE ROBUST, BUT WHAT WE MIGHT WANNA DO ON THE KEY ISSUE IS TO REFERENCE THAT PAGE IN THE INTRODUCTION WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT OHVS.

UM, BECAUSE WHAT THE INTRODUCTION IS GETTING AT ARE THE LIMITATIONS TO CITY REGULATIONS BECAUSE IT'S A MORE OF A STATE ISSUE.

UM, SO I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP BECAUSE A KEY ISSUE, I GUESS, KIND OF FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IT COULD BE A KEY ISSUE, BUT WHAT IF WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER IT? UM, SO THAT I THINK IS WHY THAT'S IN THERE.

AND THEN AS FAR AS WHERE IT'S ADDRESSED, BUT DON'T THINK WE CALL IT OUT DIRECTLY, UM, IS 7.7, ENGAGE IN PARTNERSHIPS THAT WORK TO PROTECT AND RESTORE THE ENVIRONMENT FROM THE IMPACTS OF OUTDOOR RECREATION.

UM, THAT WAS WRITTEN WITH OHVS IN MIND, UM, AS WELL AS 7.6 ON RECREATION MANAGEMENT ABOUT, UH, EDUCATIONAL MESSAGING AND WAY FINDING, I GUESS IN, IN MY MIND, FOR THE COMFORT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE READING THIS, WHO FEEL LIKE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOW BEING IMPACTED BY PEOPLE COMING THERE AND THERE'S NO, NO PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.

LIKE THEY'RE, IT'S NOT MORGAN, RIGHT? THERE'S NO, NO HV TRAILHEAD AT THE END OF IT THAT HAS SOME KIND OF REFERENCE IN 7.6 THAT THE CITY MIGHT CONSIDER OR WILL CONSIDER, OR AT SOME POINT MIGHT LOOK AT, UM, SIGNAGE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, NO HV TRAIL ACCESS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

JUST SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS ARE HELPFUL AND PEOPLE WILL STOP LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT DON'T EXIST.

OR GOOGLE SHOWS THEM THAT THERE'S A TRAIL, BUT THEY'RE ON THE WRONG ROADS TOGETHER, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON, RIGHT.

NO, BUT I JUST THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD PUT AT LEAST THE TRAFFIC PART OF IT.

I THINK THAT, UM, WE COULD ALSO PUT A REFERENCE TO THAT OHV REPORT BECAUSE ALL OF THAT WAS LOOKED INTO.

WE PUT UP SIGNAGE ON, UM, BROKEN ARROW, THINK WE PUT A SIGNAGE UP ON SOLDIERS' PASS ROAD.

UM, AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD, UM, IS WHEN THE, UH, COMPANIES WENT IN OVER HERE ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK SOME OF THEM WERE HAVING A HARD TIME TURNING LEFT AND WOULD GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS, CAME TO OUR ATTENTION.

AND I BELIEVE, UM, OUR STAFF SPOKE WITH THE OWNERS OF THOSE BUSINESSES ABOUT THAT.

SO THAT MIGHT BE WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.

UM, AS WELL AS WE'VE SEEN, UM, A GROWTH, I THINK IN NOT A HUGE GROWTH, BUT RESIDENTS OWNING OHVS AS WELL.

UH, THEY'RE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

SO I'VE DONE MY DUE DILIGENCE, , OKAY.

VICE, VICE MAYOR, I HAVE A DIFFERENT TOPIC, BUT IN THE SAME, UH, ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY KEY ISSUES, SECTION H 77.

AND, UH, I KNOW THAT OUR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH ARIZONA WATER IS COMING UP FOR RENEWAL, WHICH WOULD BE 25 YEARS, I BELIEVE, THE RENEWAL.

SO WE HAVE AGING WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AS A KEY ISSUE.

SO LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THE WATER PART OF THAT.

IS THERE ANYTHING, KURT, THAT ALLOWS US TO NEGOTIATE WITHIN THAT FRANCHISE AGREEMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE WON'T HAVE FOR 25 MORE YEARS ABOUT THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE? SO, I MEAN, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

THEY'RE, ALL WE'RE GETTING IS, UH, UH, 3% OF THEIR, THEIR GROSS SALES, UH, FRANCHISE FEE IN EXCHANGE FOR THEM BEING ALLOWED TO BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, SO WE'RE NOT THAT'S IT.

WE'RE NOT GIVING, IT'S JUST A, FOR THE, THE RIGHT TO BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND IT'S A FRANCHISE FEE.

SO IN THE PAST, COUNCIL HAD A POLICY BACK IN THE LAST TIME THE FRANCHISE FREE, UH, AGREEMENT CAME UP, COUNCIL DESIGNATED THAT 3% TO GO TO FIRE HYDRANTS 'CAUSE THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH FIRE HYDRANTS IN THE CITY.

AND SO THE CITY SPENT ITS FRANCHISE FEE ON INSTALLING A NUMBER, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WERE INSTALLED OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS, FRANCHISE, UH, OR FIRE HYDRANTS.

UH, BUT THAT WENT AWAY, UM, AT SOME POINT THAT NO LONGER BECAME THE POLICY AND OTHERWISE WITHOUT ANY DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, THAT MONEY JUST GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND, UM, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AS FAR AS I KNOW.

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I KNOW THERE IS.

I MEAN THERE'S BEEN THE ISSUES IN THE UPTOWN PART OF THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO HELP WITH PRESSURE UP THERE.

GETTING THE WATER TANK, UM, BUILT AFTER 20 YEARS OF, IS SUPPOSED TO HELP, UM, WITH SYSTEM WIDE PRESSURE AS WELL.

UM, SUPPOSED TO BEING THE OPERATIVE WORK, SUPPOSED TO, YEAH.

I'M NOT A ENGINEER OR ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH WATER.

BUT, UM, THERE'S, THAT AGREEMENT WILL BE COMING UP TO COUNCIL IN JUST, UH, ON THE SAME MEETING, THE 26TH AND TWO WEEKS.

UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE THROUGH THE, TO ARIZONA WATER COMPANY.

UM, YEAH, I I I'M NOT SO SURE THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY AGREE WE HAVE AGING WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

I MEAN, MAYBE THERE ARE SOME AREAS, BUT A LOT OF OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM'S FAIRLY NEW COMPARED TO RIGHT.

I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT WASTEWATER.

'CAUSE THAT'S UNDER OUR CONTROL.

AND I THOUGHT, WELL, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

DID THIS QUESTION COME FROM THE PEOPLE IN UPTOWN, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDED THAT WE ADDED, SO ON PAGE 89, NUMBER 10, UH, TO ADD IN ADDRESSING AGING WATER SYSTEM.

SO HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK WHEN IT'S NOT OUR WATER SYSTEM? UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVE NO CONTROL.

WE CAN'T, EVEN FOR THE, THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE NEW.

AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS NEW 10 INCH MAINS IN EBOLA HILLS, ASSUMING IT'S THEM OR SOMEBODY ELSE IN UPTOWN.

UH, SO WHY IS IT HERE? WELL, THE LANGUAGE IS INVESTIGATE STRATEGIES FOR EITHER INCENTIVIZING OR REGULATING WATER CONSERVATION MEASURES AND ADDRESSING AGING WATER SYSTEMS. SO AT THIS POINT, INVESTIGATING STRATEGIES, WHETHER IT'S INCENTIVIZING OR REGULAR RE REGULATING, OR MAYBE THERE'S OTHER STRATEGIES THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF, WE COULD INCENTIVIZE ARIZONA WATER.

I MEAN, ONE OPTION THINKING ABOUT JUST RIGHT NOW IS YOU COULD REGULATE, IF THERE HAPPENED TO BE A LOT OF LEAKS IN A SYSTEM, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES IF YOU WERE ABLE TO DISCOVER THOSE.

AND THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE TO SAVE SOME WATER.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE.

TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A NO WIN SITUATION WITH THEM.

IT'S, IT'S THEIR EQUIPMENT.

AND I BELIEVE IF TALKING WITH JOHN SNICKERS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, IN THEIR 10 YEAR PLAN.

SO THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THE UPTOWN, BUT TO DO THE ENTIRE CITY, IF THAT'S WHAT THIS IS REFERENCING, IT'S NOT ANY TIME IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

SO, AND THEN IT'S INTERESTING THAT SOME PEOPLE IN UPTOWN WERE UPSET.

WELL, IF THEY HAD 10 INCH MAINS PUT IN, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR STREETS STRIP UP.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY WHERE OAK CREEK WATER HAS ITS AREA, PUT ALL NEW MAINS IN, THEY ARE PUTTING IN ALL NEW PIPES AND THEY HAVE RIPPED UP ALL THE STREETS.

AND GUESS WHAT? EVERYONE'S SURVIVING.

NO, I I, I GET IT.

AND I THINK THEY WOULD ALL, THEY'RE WILLING TO SURVIVE TO GET 10, UH, 10 INCH MEANS BECAUSE ONE FIRE HOUSE FIRE, THEY ALL, ALL HAD NO WATER.

SO, UH, BUT THAT'S FOR THEM.

UH, AND THAT'S NOT FOR, SO DO WE WANNA LEAVE THIS IN OR NOT ABOUT AGING? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM, RIGHT? PZ? NO, IT CAME FROM PZ, P AND Z.

DID IT COME FROM ONE PERSON ON P AND Z? I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW.

IS IT NIE STRAU AGAIN? IT WOULD'VE HAD, I'M NOT, I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT, UH, PUTTING IN SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT.

A, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 200,000 A YEAR.

BUT THEN THE WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CAN, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT, INTO DOING THAT.

SO, WELL, WE CAN DO SOMETHING IF WE WANNA TAKE THAT 3%.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT REPRESENTS IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL DOLLARS.

DO YOU, I MEANT ABOUT AGING PIPES.

WE COULD GIVE IT BACK TO THEM TO UPGRADE THEIR CISCO.

IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT AMOUNT, HOW MUCH MONEY IT REPRESENTS.

THE, THE 3% IS ACTUALLY OFFSET BY THE TAXES THAT THEY WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO PAY THE CITY.

SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY A WASH.

THEY'RE NOT PAYING ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.

IF WE DID NOT HAVE A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH THEM, THEY WOULD BE PAYING 3.5% IN CITY TAX ON THEIR SERVICE.

SO THERE'S NO EXTRA MONEY THERE.

ALTHOUGH IT IS, IT IS A PRIOR COUNCIL DEDICATED THIS, THIS EXTRA MONEY SOMEWHERE.

SO TO THE FIRE HYDRANTS , WE MADE

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YEAH, I MEAN IT'S GENERAL FUND MONEY, BUT THEY HAD MADE A POLICY DECISION THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY IT'S COMING OUT OF THIS POT, BUT IT'S ALL ONE POT.

BUT YEAH.

APPROXIMATELY 211,000.

HMM.

211,000 APPROXIMATELY.

SO THE REAL ISSUE THAT'S BEING ASKED IS FOR THE CITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO FIXING OLD WATER PIPES.

SO FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR.

NO, I KNOW.

SO, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY, ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S NOT DWELL ON THIS BECAUSE WE WANT, WE ONLY HAVE THREE HOURS LEFT, SO, UM, NO, WE HAVE UNTIL MIDNIGHT.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID WELL UNTIL NEXT BREAK.

THREE HOURS THE NEXT BREAK, AND THEN WE MIDNIGHT UNTIL 1:00 AM OKAY.

SO, BUT I DO HAVE THE SAME QUESTION THAT JESSICA HAD, UH, THE UNDERLINED PORTION THAT P AND Z ADDED.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP OR REMOVE? I WANNA TAKE IT OUT.

I'M FINE WITH TAKING THAT OUT.

WE HAVE CONSENSUS HERE ON, ON THE DAIS.

WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON ADE.

YAY.

WE'VE BEEN DOING GOOD.

SLOW BUT GOOD MR. MAYOR, WE'RE SLOW BECAUSE WE CARE.

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.

THAT IS NEVER A QUESTION.

AND WE CARE BECAUSE WE'RE SLOW.

DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AGING WATER SYSTEM? AND THAT'S, DON'T DO IT.

DON'T START.

SEE, I THOUGHT THEY WOULD, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT AGING, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT US UP HERE, BUT, WELL, ANYWAY, MOVING ALONG.

JEAN, ME MOVING ALONG NEXT, CYNTHIA, ANY MORE ON ENVIRONMENT CHAPTER? BRIAN? I DO.

THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE THE LAST ONE WITH, UH, LIKE PAGE 60.

ARE YOU READY? UH OH, I HOPE NOT.

UM, WHAT PAGE? PAGE 81 60? NO, I WAS JOKING ABOUT PAGE 60 WAS THE, UH, THE WHOLE, IT'S TOO HARD.

81.

PAGE 81.

UM, YOU KNOW, UNDER POLICY 7.7, YOU KNOW, I, THE LAST SENDS ABOUT, OH, TO HELP WITH FUNDRAISING AND ON THE GROUND PROJECTS.

AND IT JUST GOT ME THINKING ABOUT SHOULD WE HAVE A POLICY TO EXPLORE, UH, USER FEES, UM, WHERE APPLICABLE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYWHERE WHERE IT IS APPLICABLE, BUT ANYTHING TO, UH, CHARGE ADDITIONAL VISITOR FEES THAT CAN BE USED FOR MITIGATION OR OTHERWISE BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, UH, TO OFFSET THE IMPACT OF TOURISM.

HOW WOULD THAT EVEN WORK? I DON'T KNOW.

, I MEAN, I HAVE A, I HAVE A TOLLGATE RIGHT AT, UH, DRY CREEK ROAD, AND I WAS TOLL FREE STATE, DRY CREEK VISTA, YOU KNOW, THE FOREST SERVICE ROAD THERE.

I'D HAVE A NICE TOLLGATE RIGHT THERE.

EASY PASS.

WE DON'T USE TOLLGATES ANYMORE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW, IT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT A POLICY THING, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEM.

BUT, UM, I THINK EXPECTING TOURISTS TO FUND MORE OF THEIR EXPERIENCE HERE AND HELPING OFFSET THEIR IMPACT WOULD NOT BE A, A BAD THING TO EXPLORE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN SUCH A THING.

MAY GO NOWHERE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT HEARING IT.

I DON'T SEE ANY INTEREST.

IT'S FINE MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

IT'S BETTER THAN LAST TIME.

I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT INTERESTING, IT'S JUST THAT WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO HAVE ANY KIND OF COMMENT ON, ON EITHER DIRECTION.

IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE RED ROCK PASS AND IF THEY'D RAISE THEIR RATES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT IN OUR CONTROL.

UM, BUT WHAT COULD BE IN HER CONTROL? I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

BUT CYNTHIA HAS HER HAND UP, SO PERHAPS SHE HAS SOME IDEAS.

I BET SHE DOES.

SO IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE PROPERTY.

'CAUSE WE KNOW THE FOREST SERVICE IS A DIFFERENT THING.

UM, BUT OFTEN IN OTHER PLACES, UH, PARKING FEES GO TOWARDS THAT.

UM, AND THEN ANOTHER EXAMPLE HERE IN TOWN, UM, IS THE OVERLOOK AT THE AIRPORT, RIGHT? SO THEY ARE CHARGING A PARKING FEE.

THEY DID NOT USED TO CHARGE A FEE.

SO LET'S SAY THAT THE CITY OWNS SOME PROPERTY AND THERE'S PARKING, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE JESSICA.

OH YEAH.

AND I REMEMBER THE SCREAMING ABOUT IT APPLIES TO RESIDENTS TOO.

WHATEVER YOU DO.

I'M NOT LOOKING TO HIT THE RESIDENTS UP AND I KNOW THAT MAKES IT MORE COMPLICATING FOR SURE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IT SAYS HERE? IT SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, AND THE CHAMBER, INCLUDING MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT ORGANIZE VOLUNTEERS TO HELP WITH FUNDRAISING.

IT MAKES IT A LOT MORE COMPLICATED, I GUESS IT'S ALMOST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I'M ALSO THINKING YOU MEAN YOU COULD, NEVERMIND.

I, OKAY.

I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING ANYWHERE.

CYNTHIA,

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HOW DOES THE CHAMBER WITH WHAT THEY DO NOW PLAY INTO THAT SENTENCE? 7.7.

ENGAGE IN PARTNERSHIP THAT WORK.

UM, THE CHAMBER IS KIND OF A, A CONDUIT TO BUSINESSES AS WELL AS TOURISTS.

AND HAVING THEM INVOLVED IN THIS PARTNERSHIP, UM, HELPS WITH COMMUNICATION.

DEFINITELY.

UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS THE THOUGHT THERE.

AND FOR A WHILE THERE WAS A GROUP THAT USED TO MEET, TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTIVE ANYMORE.

ON PAGE 84, SO, UH, UNDER WATER CONSERVATION, THERE'S THE LEADING SENTENCE THERE AT THE TOP.

I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER SENTENCE OR TWO ALONG THE LINES OF FURTHER EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WHEN ARIZONA WATER COMPANY SAYS THAT OUR WELLS ARE STABLE, THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I THOUGHT THAT MEANT LIKE LEVEL AND STABLE MEANS THEY'RE DECREASING ANNUALLY AT A STABLE RATE, RATE , WHICH MEANS WE ARE IN FACT DEPLETING THEM.

AND I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF EDUCATION THAT'S IN THIS DOCUMENT.

I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT EDUCATIONAL STATEMENT TO INCLUDE AND THEN FOLLOW WITH A POLICY PROPOSED TO BE 7.13.

OF COURSE, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE LATEST VERSION, SO IT MAY NOT NARROW TO ME BE ONE.

BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A POLICY TOWARDS, UH, GETTING LAWN GRASS WATERED LAWN GRASS OUT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.

THAT IS CRAZY THAT WE HAVE GRASS BEING WATERED HERE.

NOW, CAN WE LEGALLY DO THAT? YOU CAN, YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE IT.

UM, YOU CAN WORK WITH ARIZONA WATER AND CHARGE DIFFERENT RATES FOR DIFFERENT USES.

UM, YOU CAN LIMIT TIMES.

THERE'S A LOT YOU CAN DO AROUND IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN STRAIGHT UP PROHIBIT, UM, GRASP, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY WORTHY OF A, A BULLET POINT, A POLICY POINT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

WE MAY WANNA ADD FOUNTAINS AS WELL.

ADD WHAT? FOUNTAINS? FOUNTAINS.

FOUNTAINS.

BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S COME UP.

YOU MEAN LIKE FAKE WATERFALLS? LET'S JUST SAY.

SO IS THERE INTEREST IN HAVING YES.

7 1 3.

OH, UNANIMOUS.

WE HAVE YOU, JESSICA.

AND THEN PAGE 87, INNOVATIVE BUILDING.

UM, ARE WE GONNA LOOK AT NOT REQUIRING DARK COLORS? IT'S AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY ISSUE.

IT RUNS COMPLETELY COUNTER TO OUR LDC AND, AND REQUIREMENTS OF BLENDING IN AND ALL THAT.

BUT IT'S A REALITY.

WE MAKE OUR, WE REQUIRE OUR HOMES TO BE HEAT SINKS BY THE DARK COLORS THAT ARE REQUIRED.

SO DON'T, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AN UPCOMING AT SOME POINT LDC REVIEW OF SOME OF OUR GREEN STUFF.

AND WOULDN'T THIS ALREADY BE ON THE LIST? YES, IT WOULD.

I'M GOOD.

I KNOW THAT IT'S A HOUSING THING, BUT IT'S PART OF THE IS MM-HMM.

YOU MAYOR, ANYTHING ELSE TO THIS TOPIC? MOVING ALONG.

WHAT'S UP NEXT? ECONOMY AND TOURISM.

PAGE 91.

AND I GUESS FOR A BRIEF INTRODUCTION, SIMILAR TO WHAT, UM, I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS COULD BE FAR MORE ROBUST, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW TOURISM PROGRAM MM-HMM.

, UM, WE KIND OF REFRAINED FROM GOING TOO FAR INTO THE TOPIC OF TOURISM.

ON, UH, PAGE NINE ON THE, ON THE OPENING HERE.

IS THAT PAGE 92? IS THAT WHAT WE SAID? YEAH, PAGE 92 IN THE OVERVIEW.

YOU'VE GOT THE STR BULLET THERE SECOND FROM THE BOTTOM.

AND THAT SENTENCE JUST TALKS ABOUT UNREGULATED HOTEL ROOMS. THIS IS THE ECONOMY SECTION.

LOSS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING IS A, IS A NICE REFERENCE HERE AS WELL.

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IS THAT THE ONLY ONE, PETE? YEP.

ANYTHING ELSE ON TOURISM? WELL, ECONOMIC INITIATIVES.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HIRED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

I THINK WE REFERENCE, LEMME JUST FIND THIS.

I HAVE IT ON PAGE 1 0 3, PLAINTIFF LIMITATION.

I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S STILL THE SAME PAGE NUMBER THOUGH.

IT IS.

THEY SHOULD BE.

WELL, SOMEWHERE IN HERE IT'S NOT, THAT ISN'T THE, OH, LEMME SEE.

WE HAD, OH, HIRED IT.

IT IS 1 0 3.

BUT WITHIN, WHEN SHE LEFT, WE DIDN'T REPLACE HER.

SO THAT, THAT'S A LIST OF PAST ACHIEVEMENTS ACTIVITIES.

OKAY, NEXT UP.

OH, MELISSA, JUST, IT'S JUST, UM, A GENERAL QUESTION AND IT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY THE VERY END WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AMENDING THE PLAN BECAUSE THIS LOOKS LIKE THE ECONOMY AND TOURISM SECTION IS AN AREA WHERE WE WOULD DO AMENDING THAT WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING FROM OUR GROUP OR NEW GROUP, WE WOULD WANT THEM TO SORT OF FEED INTO THIS MORE, GIVE US MORE IDEAS OF WHAT THOSE POLICIES MAYBE, SORRY, I ALMOST USED STRATEGY , WHAT THOSE POLICIES MAY BE.

SO THAT FEELS LIKE IN YOUR, UM, YOUR PLAN AMENDMENTS, THAT FEELS LIKE IT'S KIND OF A MAJOR AMENDMENT.

IS IT NOT GOING TO BE A MAJOR AMENDMENT OR, SO LET ME PULL UP THIS.

I THINK IT'D JUST BE A MINOR AMENDMENT.

AMENDMENT MAYOR, COUNCIL, WE HAVE CRITERIA, MAJOR AMENDMENTS ARE JUST PROPOSING FOR THE LAND USE ONLY.

MORE HIGHER DENSITY OR GOING ZONING ANYTHING TO LODGING OR COMMERCIAL FROM RESIDENTIAL THOUGH CYNTHIA CAN PULL 'EM UP HERE.

UH, BUT JUST CHANGING TEXT ALONE IN A SECTION LIKE, LIKE THIS WHOLE SECTION I THINK WOULD JUST BE A MINOR AMENDMENT WOULD JUST COME TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL COULD AMEND IT.

SO THAT, SO I WAS JUST THINKING MORE, NOT THE TOURISM SIDE, BUT THE ECONOMIC ECONOMIC SIDE.

SO LONG AS THEY DON'T TOUCH THE FUTURE LAND USE OR ANY OF THE LAND USE TYPE OF ISSUES.

IT SHOULD JUST BE A MINOR AMENDMENT THEN.

CAN YOU, OH, WE CAN'T ZOOM IN ON THERE.

IT'S ALRIGHT.

IT'S ON PAGE 1 0 2.

THE LIST OF MAJOR CRITERIA.

ANY NEW LAND USE GOING TO HIGHER DENSITIES.

SO AS LONG AS THEY DON'T TOUCH HOUSING FOR INSTANCE THERE, IT'S FINE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNEW WHERE WE STOOD FOR THIS.

BRIAN, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I DO.

ALRIGHT ON PAGE 1 0 2.

THE LAST ITEM, IF I CAN FIND MY MOUSE HERE.

THERE WE GO.

THE ACTIONS CALLED OUT, UH, BULLET ITEM.

WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PREPARING THAT ANNUAL REPORT? AND I ASSUME PRESENTING IT TO COUNSEL, IS THAT GONNA BE THE PRINCIPAL PLANNER OR SOMEBODY IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA DO THAT? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE ROUGHLY IN APRIL OF NEXT YEAR OF HOW WE'RE DOING ON THIS COMMUNITY PLAN? YES.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.

UM, IT ACTUALLY, THE CITY USED TO DO THIS AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME BEFORE I GOT HERE, UM, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE DOING THE PERIODIC REVIEWS.

NO.

UH, YOU KNOW, MULTI-YEAR, UH, PLANS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PROCESS.

DO YOU REMEMBER IT SCOTT? I DON'T REMEMBER IT HAPPENING.

WELL, YOU TWO YEARS BEFORE ME, SO I DON'T REMEMBER.

KAREN, WE, WE DID DO IT.

UM, I WANNA SAY IT WAS THE FIRST AND MIGHT HAVE EVEN BEEN 2021 THAT IT WAS PART OF THE COUNCIL PACKET FOR THE ANNUAL RETREAT.

SO IT WAS REALLY PRESENTED AS SORT OF BACKGROUND MATERIAL FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, DISCUSS DISCUSSING PRIORITIES FOR THE COMING YEAR.

LIKE THIS IS A CHECK-IN THIS IS WHERE WE ARE IF, AND THAT PROMPTED ANY DISCUSSION OF NEXT THINGS ON, ON THE LIST.

BUT MANY OF THE THINGS ARE ALSO,

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BUT YEAH, I THINK WE'VE, THAT WAS THE LAST WE'D DONE IT THAT WAY.

UM, AT LEAST IN 28, 21 I THINK 2022.

AND, AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IT'S ACTUALLY PER THAT, LOOKING AT THAT STATUTE, UM, IT'S THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DO THE REPORT TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL.

UM, COUNCIL OF FURMAN'S AWARE OF THAT.

HE REMEMBERS THAT I WAS ON PZ BEFORE THAT AND I, I DON'T REMEMBER DOING THAT.

BUT EITHER WAY, YES.

THE ANNUAL REPORT IS SUPPOSED TO BE MADE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, TO THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.

YOU GOOD, BRIAN? OKAY.

I'M GOOD, THANK YOU.

OKAY, CYNTHIA.

I'M GOING TO JUMP BACK TO THE PRESENTATION WHERE THERE IS A SLIDE ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER.

UM, SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THOSE CHANGES.

UM, ON THE MAJOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA, WHICH IS THE PAGE WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT, WHICH IS 1 0 2.

UM, THE CHANGES TO NON-RESIDENTIAL USE WHEN IT'S MORE THAN FIVE ACRES.

UM, AND THEN ANY LAND USE, THE CHANGES TO COMMERCIAL SLASH LODGING, UM, AND MITRE AMENDMENTS WOULD BE ANY RESIDENTIAL CHANGES, UH, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY CHANGES, CHANGES LESS THAN FIVE ACRES TO NON-RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE, LET'S SEE, THE IDEA BEHIND ALL OF THIS IS TO MAKE IT LESS COMPLICATED.

UM, IT WILL ALIGN WITH OTHER, OTHER CITIES IN THE REGION AND ALSO JUST TO MEET SOME OF THE, UH, OBJECTIVES, FOR EXAMPLE, OF HOUSING, UM, WHICH IS WHAT'S LISTED THERE TO FURTHER GOALS OF HOUSING DIVERSITY AND AFFORDABILITY, UM, WHICH IS REALLY GETTING BACK TO THAT HOUSING CHAPTER.

UM, SO THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENCES.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CARRIE LEFT, STEVE OR I CAN ANSWER ANYTHING.

PETE, I'M, I'M STILL IN MY MIND, I'M TRYING TO GET A PICTURE OF THAT FIRST BULLET.

COULD YOU JUST REVIEW THAT ONE AGAIN WITH ME ONE MORE TIME? MM-HMM, .

SO RIGHT NOW, LET'S SEE IT, IT PROBABLY IS EASIER IF I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, UM, WHICH I DID WITH P AND Z, WE, THERE'S A PROPERTY WHERE THE OWNER CAME IN, UM, AND IT WAS SHOWING AS, I THINK THAT ONE WAS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YET IT WAS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL.

IT TOTALLY MADE SENSE THAT IT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE AS COMMERCIAL, BUT THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN IN OUR, UM, OUR CRITERIA, THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH A MAJOR AMENDMENT PROCESS, WHICH IT'S LENGTHY, IT'S EXPENSIVE, AND THE PARCEL WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN OLD BUILDING ON A LITTLE TINY PARCEL.

UM, AND SO HE'S LIKE, NEVERMIND , THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING, UM, THAT IS LESS THAN FIVE ACRES.

UM, AND NOW WITH THAT CHANGE, IF HE WAS TO COME BACK, HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH MAJOR.

IT WOULD BE A MINOR AMENDMENT.

SO, SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.

DOES THAT, YEAH.

SO THIS APPLIES ONLY TO RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTIES THAT ARE TRYING TO CONVERT TO ANYTHING NON-RESIDENTIAL.

IS THAT RIGHT? OR IS IT, I THINK IT'S ANY, UM, YOUR EXAMPLE IS THIS SAYS WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL CHANGES.

EXAMPLE IS RESIDENTIAL CO CHANGES TO NON-RESIDENTIAL.

IS THAT A CHANGE TO NON-RESIDENTIAL PARCELS OR ANY PARCEL THAT'S TRYING TO CHANGE TO NON-RESIDENTIAL? SO IT'S JUST A THAT IS GOOD POINT.

I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S ANY, UM, LET'S SEE.

SO IT ONLY APPLIES TO PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NON-RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S HOW I READ IT.

THAT'S HOW I WOULD INTERPRET IT.

AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS THAT HOW MANY OF THESE PARCELS ARE THERE THAT ARE UNDER FIVE ACRES? YEAH, I HOPE NOT.

JUST ONE.

I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY RUN, UM, A SEARCH THROUGH GIS SO GREATER THAN 10, GREATER

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THAN 20.

ANY JUST AN IDEA.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY THAT ARE VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED, BUT I MEAN, WE COULD GET A NUMBER IF YOU'D LIKE OR, OR THE MAP.

SO I CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN JUST VISUALIZE WHERE THEY ARE.

UP DRY CREEK AND OVER THERE.

UH, I DO HAVE THE MAP, JUST A GUESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA HELP.

I DON'T WANNA DWELL ON THAT.

PETE, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE? NOPE.

JESSICA? NO, THANK YOU.

MOVE ALONG PLEASE.

OKAY, SO YEAH, UM, THIS IS THE, ALMOST THE LAST SLIDE THAT I HAVE.

WOW.

UM, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, SINCE THE 28TH IS TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PLAN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

UM, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON EITHER IMPROVING ON SOME OF THE MAPS THAT ARE IN HERE.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN SOME ADDITIONAL MAPS, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT IS THE VERDE VALLEY REGION, A MAP OF THAT, UM, JUST A BASIC CITY MAP, HERE'S THE CITY LIMITS, THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, ILLUSTRATIONS YOU MENTIONED THE COMPLETE STREETS, UM, WE FOUND AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT ONE.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS.

UM, CHARTS AND DATA, I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE.

UM, IMPROVING ON THOSE, WHETHER IT'S THE COLORS OR IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CORRECTIONS, UM, APPENDICES WE ARE LOOKING AT, AND WE HAVE A ROUGH DRAFT RIGHT NOW OF, UH, REFERENCE LIST, UH, GLOSSARY AND ACRONYMS, AND THEN JUST KIND OF FOR EASE, UM, PUTTING ALL OF OUR POLICIES AND ACTIONS INTO ONE LIST SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO FLIP THROUGH EVERYTHING.

UM, AND THEN FOR FINAL EDITING, GRAMMAR STYLE FORMAT, GRAPHICS, UM, AGAIN, WHATEVER WE CAN DO, UH, FOR EASE OF, OF READING, FINDING INFORMATION.

UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND WE WILL WORK ON OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, UM, TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE PLAN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND ALSO ANSWER TO SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS MAYBE THAT DON'T WARRANT, YOU KNOW, ADDING AN ACTION OR POLICY.

SO, ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT STEPS ARE, I, I, I DO HAVE SOMETHING.

IT HAS TO DO WITH RENOVATING THE HUB.

SO IT'S NUMBER SEVEN.

OH, AND I HAVE IT.

IF YOU, I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF HAVING A COMMUNITY CENTER.

PERHAPS IT WOULD BE AT THE CULTURAL PARK IF PEOPLE WANTED IT THERE, PERHAPS IT'D BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THIS TO ME SOUNDED LIKE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS ALL CAME FROM, THAT THIS WOULD BE OUR COMMUNITY CENTER AT THE HUB.

AND I'M THINKING OF A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONCEPT FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE IN HERE AS THE COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTING US TO THE HUB.

I MEAN, WE CAN RENOVATE THE HUB FOR ANY KINDS OF PURPOSES.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE SOMEWHERE IN HERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVER DISCUSSED BY THE GROUP ABOUT THE, THE CREATION DEVELOPMENT OF A COMMUNITY CENTER.

IT HAS COME UP, BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION MIGHT BE HOW DO, HOW DO YOU DEFINE COMMUNITY CENTER? I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FOR RECREATION CENTERS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

IT IS, IT'S A, IT'S A RECREATION AND IT'S ALSO A MEETING PLACE.

SO FROM WHAT I RECALL IN DISCUSSING THINGS LIKE RECREATION CENTERS, BECAUSE THAT CAME UP 10 YEARS AGO AS WELL, UM, IS JUST THE, THE COST OF DOING THAT, UM, WAS ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK IT DIDN'T, UM, MAKE IT VERY FAR.

BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL REFERENCE THE COTTONWOOD ONE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE.

, IT LOSES MILLIONS A YEAR.

WELL, WE'RE NOT COTTONWOOD REMEMBER.

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THANK GOD WE'RE NOT COTTONWOOD.

UH, AND THEY MAY WANT IT, THEY MAY HAVE DEVELOPED SOMETHING THAT WAS BEYOND WHAT THEY COULD AFFORD.

SO I DON'T THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD USE THEM AS A GUIDANCE OF PERHAPS WHAT WE SHOULDN'T DO .

BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE COULD INVEST IN FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING HERE IS NOT, IT'S EXPLORE.

BUT EVEN TO HAVE, YOU JUST WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE THE HUB, UH, DESIGNATED HERE.

BUT IN OTHER, EXPLORE A LOCATION FOR A FUTURE HUB.

NO, NOT A HUB, FUTURE HUB COMMUNITY.

BUT IT DOES SAY JUST AS A MULTIPURPOSE COMMUNITY SPACE, NOT CENTER.

SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM THEN? THE, THE PROBLEM ISN'T THE HUB, THE PROBLEM IS IT DOESN'T ANYWHERE ELSE, SAY BEYOND A MULTIPURPOSE SPACE.

SO YOU WANNA ADD A PRIORITY.

CORRECT.

YOU WANNA ADD TO IT TO EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY.

IT'S NOT ABOUT A SITE, IT'S THE FEASIBILITY.

AND WHAT SIZE MAKES SENSE FOR COMMUNITY OF OUR SIZE.

WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME POLICIES.

WHERE IS THE, UH, SO WE'VE GOT ON PAGE LOOKS LIKE 28 .

LET'S SEE.

PROVIDE A VARIETY OF FACILITIES AND PARK AMENITIES.

UM, SO THAT IS ONE OF 'EM THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE GENERAL.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT ON THE NEXT PAGE, LET'S SEE, RECREATION EVENTS CENTER, UM, .

SO AGAIN, WE COULD ADD SOMETHING TO ANY OF THESE POLICIES.

WELL FIRST FIND OUT IF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THIS, MELISSA? SO, UM, I BELIEVE, AND PEOPLE ON STAFF SHOULD CORRECT ME IF I AM FAULTY IN MY MEMORY, BUT WHEN WE FIRST PURCHASED CULTURAL PARK, WE SENT OUT A SURVEY AND WE ASKED PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? AND I BELIEVE CLOSE TO THE NUMBER ONE THING WAS A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER.

WELL, RIGHT.

SO THIS WOULD BE, SO THAT KIND OF FALLS INTO THAT WHOLE THING.

I'M NOT GONNA GO ANY FURTHER THAN THAT AFTER LAST NIGHT.

BUT, UM, THANK YOU THAT THAT SEEMED TO BE LIKE THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT KEPT COMING UP OVER OVER'S.

AND IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A LITTLE OVER DREAMT, UM, IN, IN SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT THAT COULD BE, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE COMMUNITY IS ALREADY SORT OF INITIALLY STATED IT WAS SOMETHING OF INTEREST FOR THEM.

MAYBE NOT THE RIGHT LOCATION.

I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

VICE MAYOR IN STRATEGY 3.4, THERE IS THAT LAST SENTENCE.

FACILITIES SUCH AS PARKS, THE LIBRARY AND STUDIOS.

WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? UH, IT'S THAT 28, 38, 28.

PAGE 28, 3 0.4.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LIST.

YOU COULD ADD A COMMUNITY CENTER IN THAT LITTLE LIST.

YEAH, I SEE.

COMMUNITY CENTER.

THAT LAST SENTENCE IS ABOUT ACTIVITIES.

I GOT IT.

I I DON'T LIKE IT THERE.

'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT GIVES IT ENOUGH WEIGHT.

YES, EXACTLY.

I THINK, I THINK, UH, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOOD.

ALRIGHT, SO, SO IF I'M HEARING CONSENSUS, WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD ANOTHER ACTION.

SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE DONE? DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE DONE? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DONE, BUT CYNTHIA, CYNTHIA, YOU SAID YOU'RE DONE.

EVERYONE FROM THE LIBRARY TO THE FOREST SERVICE.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY, BOY, TO OUR CITIZEN WORK GROUP, TO ERNIE IN PARTICULAR.

THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING EVERY MEETING AND SPEAKING.

DID HE WRITE THIS WHOLE THING TOO? YEAH.

YOU WOULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT? UM, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, OUR PARTNERS, UH, WHETHER NONPROFIT AGENCIES, UM, FOREST SERVICE ALL, WE HAD A, A REALLY GREAT, UH, PARTNER WORKSHOP WHERE WE HAD

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AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS A GREAT MEETING.

AND OF COURSE TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR SHOWING UP TO ALL OF OUR MEETINGS.

UM, THE FIRST ONE THAT WE DID TO KICK THIS OFF WAS SEPTEMBER OF 2022 THAT WE HELD AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

I REMEMBER.

AND AS FAR AS I AM AWARE, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, BUT EVEN MIKE SAID PROBABLY LAST 20 YEARS WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST TURNOUT THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR, BUT JOHN O'BRIEN WAS SPEAKING THAT'S RIGHT.

FOR A CITY EVENT.

UM, SO THAT WENT REALLY WELL.

UM, YEAH.

SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO THROW A THANK YOU INTO ALL OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS TOO, THAT HAVE HELPED US FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT WE SAT DOWN WITH, HAD MANY MEETINGS WITH.

UM, SO I WANT TO THANK THEM AS WELL.

AND CYNTHIA, CYNTHIA WAS A ONE PERSON SHOW FOR A LONG TIME.

SHE WAS THE DRIVING FORCE.

SO MUCH SO SHE'S GONNA STAY ANOTHER 10, 15 YEARS, RIGHT? SHE GOTTA STAY TILL THREE.

I, I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I, I DID NOTICE IN OUR PLANTS THAT OWN WEBSITE, THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DOCUMENT GOT ELEVATED AND ITS VISIBILITY, SO IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP.

AND I, THIS IS A VERY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS VERY INTERESTING DOCUMENT ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED.

SO ALONG THOSE LINES, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? JUST GENERALLY, MELISSA, I JUST GENERALLY WANTED TO ADD MY THINGS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

THIS IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING.

IT TOOK TWO YEARS.

UM, I CAN JUST IMAGINE SITTING HERE IN CONSULT WHAT THAT MUST HAVE BEEN LIKE.

SO, UM, I WANT TO, UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT REALLY, REALLY HARD WORK AND ALL THIS GOOD WORK.

AND OF COURSE THAT GOES OUT TO EVERYONE ON STAFF BECAUSE AS YOU POINT OUT, STEVE, THERE PROBABLY WASN'T A SINGLE PERSON THAT YOU DIDN'T, UM, HARASS AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO GET SOME INFORMATION FROM.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE IN THE CITY FOR PUTTING US TOGETHER AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR CARING ENOUGH THAT EVEN THOUGH WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT IT IN FRONT OF THEM, THEY STILL SHOWED UP AND THEY STILL DO THE WORK.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S IMPRESSIVE.

ALL THE THANKS TO EVERYBODY.

AND MY QUESTION IS, UH, WHEN DO WE ADOPT THIS? WHEN IS THIS BACK FOR THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA GET TO FINAL ADOPTION.

REGULAR AGENDA MARCH 26TH.

SO WE'RE GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO ATTENTIVELY BE FOR A CONSENT AGENDA? NO, IT'S GONNA BE, NO, IT'S A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM.

SO WE'LL SEE IF, UH, THE FINAL DRAFT THE WEEK BEFORE WITH THE REGULAR PACKET.

SO IN THAT MEETING IT'S WITH, YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING A PRESENTATION AGAIN? NO, NO.

WHAT I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING? SO IF CYNTHIA, AND SO IT'S TWO WEEKS, WHICH MEANS PACKETS ARE DUE VERY QUICKLY.

SO DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF CHANGES AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE YOUR TIMELINE IS TO GET THOSE CHANGES COMPLETED, WE WOULD PROBABLY DO A SIMILAR, UH, WASN'T RED LINE, IT WAS HIGHLIGHT CHANGE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF TRACK WHAT SHE HAD DONE.

THE DIRECTION WILL BE IN THE MINUTES.

SO YOU CAN RECONCILE THAT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS CAPTURED.

BUT THE INTENT IS THAT WE WILL TAKE THAT DIRECTION FROM, FROM TODAY, BRING THAT BACK IN THE FORM OF THE PACKET, SO YOU'LL HAVE A WEEK OR SO TO REVIEW IT AND THEN ASK FOR THE ADOPTION, UM, ON THE 26TH.

I DID ASK KURT EARLIER, , UM, IF WE WANNA LIKE, MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY AND, YOU KNOW, ADD PHOTOS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN DO THAT AFTER THE 26TH.

NO, UP UP TO THE 26TH.

UP, UP TO, SORRY.

YEAH, SO IN BETWEEN THE PACKET AND COMING TO THE COUNCIL MEETING, THERE MIGHT STILL BE SOME BEAUTIFICATION AESTHETIC.

YEAH, AESTHETIC CHANGES.

I, I SEEM TO REMEMBER YOU HAD A HAND IN SOMETHING OF THE 2010 OR WHENEVER, 2013.

YOU DID A LOT OF AMAZING GRAPHICS.

WELL, AND THAT'S THE FUN PART, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD ANY TIME TO DO ANYTHING FUN.

I DON'T KNOW WHY.

BUT ANYWAY, I KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU PUT IN BOTH OF YOU.

I'M GLAD YOU HELPED STEVE ALONG BECAUSE HE REALLY NEEDED HELP WITH THIS.

I KNOW.

AND I RECOGNIZE HOW MUCH HELP STEVE NEEDED.

SO IN, IN MANY AREAS.