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EVERYONE.[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
THIS IS THE CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, MARCH 19TH, 2024.AND, UM, WHAT I'M CALLING THIS TO ORDER AND WILL YOU PLEASE RISE WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND COMMISSIONER BRAM IS EXCUSED.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA PASS ON? OKAY.
THE, UM, I'M SORRY, THE LAST WEEK THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERED THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM AND THEY DID APPROVE THAT ON A SIX TO ONE VOTE.
AND THEY, UM, CONTINUED DISCUSSION ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT, AND THEY WILL HOPEFULLY BE CONCLUDING THEIR REVIEW OF THAT AT THE MEETING NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND THE VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING PROJECT IS ALSO GOING TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK ON THE SAME.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
THAT ITEM AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.MARCH 5TH, 2024, REGULAR MEETING.
AND MARCH 5TH, 2024 SITE VISIT.
[4. PUBLIC FORUM]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 3 1 0.01 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION THAT AT LATER DATE, AND I HAVE NO CARDS, SO NO ONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
[5.a. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for Preliminary Plat approval to subdivide ±2.65 acres into a 4-unit single family subdivision at 741 Forest Road (Bowers Subdivision). The property is zoned Single Family Residential (RS-18) and is located northwest of the intersection of State Route 89A and Brewer Road. APN: 401-38-012. Case Number: PZ21-00020 (SUB) Owner/Applicant: 741 Forest Road LLC (David Bowers) and Sefton Engineering (Luke Sefton)]
MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, A CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL TO SUBDIVIDE PLUS OR MINUS 2.6 ACRES INTO A FIVE UNIT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION AT 7 4 1 FOREST ROAD, THE BOWERS SUBDIVISION.THE PROPERTY IS ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RS 18 AND IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 89 A AND BREWER ROAD, ARIZONA.
PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 1 DASH THREE EIGHT DASH 0 1 2.
CASE NUMBER PZ 21 0 0 2 DIVISION.
THE OWNER APPLICANT IS 7 4 1 FOREST ROAD, LLC, REPRESENTED BY DAVID BOWERS AND SEFTON ENGINEERING, LUKE SEFTON.
OKAY, CARRIE, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT WAS A MISTAKE ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT WAS A FOUR UNIT SUBDIVISION, NOT A FIVE UNIT SUBDIVISION, SO GOT, OH, DID I SAY FIVE? GOT THE WRONG NUMBER.
OKAY, SO IT IS FOUR UNIT, I BELIEVE ALL THE OTHER PROJECT DOCUMENTS SAY THAT, SO ANYWAY, SO YES, UM, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLOT FOR THE V SUBDIVISION.
UM, THIS IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE PLA THEN, I MEAN, I DON'T, IT'S BEEN MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF SINCE THE COM.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SAW A PLA.
TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE A PLA YOU ALSO SEE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS THE AREA AROUND THE FOREST OR EXTENSION THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY BUILDING.
UM, THERE ARE NO CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THIS PLA, IT'S JUST THE DIVISION OF THE LAND.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE CITY'S UNDERTAKING THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILDING AS PART OF THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION.
UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, THE PLATING PROCEDURES, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT STEPS.
A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW WOULD BE REQUIRED IF THERE WERE MORE THAN 10 LOTS SINCE THERE ARE NOT.
UM, THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION GIVES A RECOMMENDATION
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THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES ACTION.UM, IF THAT ACTION INCLUDES ANY CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE THE PLAT TO BE REVISED, THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN SUBMIT A REVISED PLA TO STAFF FOR REVIEW TO MAKE SURE IT'S MEETING THE CONDITIONS.
AND THEN FINAL PLAT IS REVIEWED BY THE COUNCIL.
SO IF, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TAKES ACTION, THIS IS THE ONE TIME THAT YOU WOULD GET TO SEE A PLAT.
UM, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCEDURE PROVIDES A MECHANISM FOR THE CITY TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AND DETERMINE IF IT COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.
AND, UM, YEAH, SO THIS IS THE, THIS ONE, UM, HERE IS IN GREEN, UM, IS WHERE THE PLAT IS.
AND SO THE FOREST ROAD INTERSECTS WITH 89 A AND UPTOWN.
OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU HAVE THE HYATT HERE WITH ALL OF THE TIMESHARE PARCELS AND THEIR INDIVIDUAL PARCEL NUMBERS.
THE CITY IS BUILDING THIS FOREST ROAD EXTENSION THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROJECT AND MEET UP WITH WEST 89 A SOUTH OF THE PROJECT.
UM, KIND OF SHOWING THE AERIAL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WAS TAKEN AFTER THE ROUGH GRADING OF THE ROAD BEGINS.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT ROAD IS GOING THROUGH.
UM, IT IS A FOUR UNIT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, APPROXIMATELY 2.65 ACRES, WHICH WORKS OUT TO ABOUT ONE AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE.
AND AS I SAID, THE CITY IS CONSTRUCTING THE ROAD AND THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THAT RECENTLY, YOU KNOW THAT CONSTRUCTION ON THAT ROAD IS WELL UNDERWAY.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY WITH THE HALF TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS THAT 18,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
UM, AND SO AS I SAID, THIS IS JUST FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LAND.
THERE'S NO HOME CONSTRUCTION PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
UM, IF THE SUBDIVISION IS APPROVED, ANY HOME CONSTRUCTION IS REVIEWED THROUGH OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, UNLESS THEY'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AGAIN, GOING BACK, THIS IS WHAT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS THE COVER PAGE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
YOU SEE THE, THE NEW ROAD COMING THROUGH HERE THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY BISECT THE PROPERTY CREATING, UM, LOTS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND THIS SUBDIVISION WOULD DIVIDE EACH ONE OF THOSE LOTS INTO TWO LOTS FOR THE TOTAL OF FOUR.
AND THIS KIND OF SHOWS HOW YOU CAN SEE THAT, HOW IT FITS IN WITH WHAT'S BEING DONE OUT THERE.
THIS ACCESS IS, THERE'S A ACCESS POINT IN THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH END OF THE NEW ROAD.
THERE'S TWO LAWS ON EACH SIDE OF THE NEW ROAD.
UM, AND THE PLAT DOES HAVE SHARED DRIVEWAYS FOR EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CURB CUTS BECAUSE THIS ROAD IS ANTICIPATED TO HOPE TO BE ONE OF THE MAIN WAYS INTO UPTOWN.
AND SO REDUCING THE NUMBER OF CURB CUTS AND PUTTING THEM ON THOSE, UM, IF WE GO BACK HERE, IT'S THESE AREAS HERE.
SO ON THE STRAIGHTER PARTS OF THE ROW, NOT AROUND CURVES, UM, WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WORKED ON WITH THE APPLICANT JUST TO TRY TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CONFLICTS THERE.
UM, THE REVIEW CRITERIA, SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS ARE IN ARTICLE SEVEN OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE FINDINGS FOR APPROVAL ARE IN ARTICLE EIGHT.
UM, THE COMPLETE EVALUATION OF THAT WAS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF THOSE.
AND AGAIN, UM, FUTURE HOME CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE REVIEWED THROUGH OUR ESTABLISHED PROCESSES, UNLESS THEY WERE ASKING FOR SOME KIND OF VARIANCE, THEN THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE WOULD LOOK AT THE BUILDING DESIGN AND HEIGHT, MASSING, PARKING, GARAGE TYPES, LIGHTING TYPE OF REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WE DID THROUGH THIS PROCESS WORK WITH BOTH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE PLAT METAL, ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS, UM, WE, THE APPLICANT COMPLETED THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PROCESS AND THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN POSTED AND THE HEARING HAS BEEN NOTICED AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT.
AND SO, UM, WITH THAT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PLAT AND ARE OPEN TO QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF
UM, THIS HAS BEEN IN, IN PROCESS FOR A WHILE.
THIS IS LIKE THE FOURTH OR WHATEVER ITERATION OF IT THAT YOU'VE SEEN.
YEAH, THERE'S BEEN, UM, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH THE APPLICANT A COUPLE TIMES.
I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE INITIAL ONES
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HAD FIVE LOTS.UM, I THINK THEY DETERMINED THAT THE, THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY WERE, UM, THE ORIGINAL PLAN HAD THREE LOTS, BUT WITH I THINK SOME OF THE GRADING FOR THE ROAD, THAT FIFTH LOT JUST WASN'T WORKING OUT.
UM, WE WORKED ON THE, SO THERE'S BEEN VERY SMALL CHANGES AT EACH KIND OF STEP ALONG THE WAY, GETTING THE SHARED DRIVEWAYS RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, THE ROADS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME ADJUSTMENTS AS THEY KIND OF FIGURED OUT WHERE THE ROAD WAS, KIND OF THE FINAL CONFIGURATION OF THE ROAD.
UM, LOOKING AT THE EARLIER ONES AND THE THINGS THAT WERE NOT RESPONDED TO THAT YOU WOULD GO BACK TO THEM AGAIN ON, IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT IT ENDED UP WITH.
THE STATEMENT THAT APPEARS SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS ITERATION IS THE CITY'S BUILDING FOREST ROAD.
WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL CITY FINISHES.
UM, SO IT, IT SORT OF MAKES ME WONDER WHY NOW, BECAUSE WE STILL DON'T KNOW THINGS.
WE DON'T KNOW THINGS UNTIL THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION IS COMPLETED.
SO ARE WE HOLDING THEM UP IF WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION AT THIS POINT? I MEAN, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING EITHER UNTIL THE ROAD'S COMPLETED, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE HAD PROBABLY BEEN NOT QUITE THE IMMEDIACY OF SOME OTHER PROJECTS YOU SEE BECAUSE OF THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION, SO THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE TURNED BACK THE APPLICATION AS QUICKLY.
UM, SO IT'S WHY IT HAS BEEN LINGERING A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE GOING FASTER WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THEM ANYTHING.
BUT, UM, NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD'S BEEN ROUGH GRADED, WE KNOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MORE, WE KNOW PRETTY CLEAR ON WHERE THE ROAD'S GONNA GO AND, UM, JUST DIVIDING THE PROPERTY, UM, THE, THEY'RE STILL WORKING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ON SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION THINGS, BUT OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS LEADING THAT EFFORT.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY, AND MAYBE IT'S A DISCUSSION POINT AS OPPOSED TO A QUESTION RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US TO ACTUALLY ENVISION IT, UM, GIVEN THE GRADE CHANGES IN GRADE THERE AND ALL, IF WE COULD HAVE GONE OUT THERE YEAH.
IF THERE WAS A DRONE, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT MADE IT A LITTLE EASIER TO VISUALIZE, BUT MM-HMM.
CHAIR, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER.
SO USUALLY WHEN A SUBDIVISION PLAT COMES, THERE'S NO ROAD AT ALL.
IT'S JUST A BIG PIECE OF DIRT.
UM, AND SO THERE'S NOTHING TO VISUALIZE.
THIS IS A, A RARE ONE WHERE THE ROAD'S BEING CONSTRUCTED FOR A SUBDIVISION BEFOREHAND BECAUSE THE CITY'S BUILDING IT.
SO USUALLY A SUBDIVISION PLATT'S GONNA COME WITH NOTHING.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK IT'D BE NECESSARILY A NEED TO, TO PAUSE IT OR HOLD IT UP FOR ANY REASON, JUST BECAUSE THE ROAD'S NOT COMPLETE THE ROAD'S A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGNED.
UM, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY OR IF, WELL, I MEAN, MAYBE A FEW, BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MUCH CHANGES LEFT.
AND I THINK PUBLIC WORKS COULD TALK TO THAT IF THAT WAS A CONCERN.
WE DID HAVE A SUBDIVISION IN THUNDERBIRD, THUNDERBIRD HILLS, I THINK, AND THERE WERE NO ROADS CUT IN, BUT IT WAS ACCESSIBLE.
HELP ME REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT EIGHT OR MAYBE EIGHT TO 12 LOTS.
BUT YEAH, SO LIKE, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS A QUESTION GOING IN THERE IS WHERE EXACTLY IS THE R GETTING? IT WAS LIKE, WELL, IT'S IN THIS AREA HERE, BUT WE WERE, WE WERE ABLE TO WALK THE PROPERTY, I GUESS IS, IS MY POINT.
SO WE KNEW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, WHAT THE VEGETATION WAS, WHAT THE ACCESS WAS GONNA BE.
IT, IT DOES FEEL ODD, UH, TO ME NOT TO BE ABLE TO WALK THE, THE SITE OR HAVE POLES ON FOUR CORNERS.
UM, AND, AND TO BE ALSO THE TIMING OF IT BECAUSE YEAH, UHHUH, WE COULD WALK IT WHEN THE ROAD'S FINISHED AND THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE ROAD'S FINISHED EITHER.
SO WHY NOW? BUT DOWN HERE IT'S A QUESTION.
UM, WELL, WELL I DID, OH, I'M SORRY.
OH YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE OF OTHERS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HELPING ME UP HERE TONIGHT.
APPRECIATE IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT APPROPRIATE DEDICATION LANGUAGE REFERS TO? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.
IT SAYS, UM, PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE DEDICATION LANGUAGE ON THE PLAT.
THE DEDICATION LANGUAGE SHALL BE CAPITALIZED.
I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
I BELIEVE THAT CAME FROM OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, OUR ENGINEERS.
THERE'S JUST A STANDARD CONDITION THAT STATES THAT THE PLA SHALL PROVIDE APPROPRIATE DEDICATION LANGUAGE.
WHAT ARE WE DEDICATING OR IT'S DEDICATED TO SOME.
I DON'T, I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF THAT, AGAIN,
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WE TOOK OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR A SUBDIVISION.WE TRIED TO DELETE THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS NOT DOING THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO TYPICALLY YOU WOULD, THEY WOULD BE DEDICATING A ROAD AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION.
SO IF THERE IS NO DEDICATION LANGUAGE NEEDED, THEN WELL, THEY WON'T PROVIDE IT.
BUT I THINK JUST IN CASE IT'S IN THERE, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S TYPICALLY A ROAD BEING DEDICATED OR I KNOW THERE ARE SOME DRAINAGE AND SLOPE EASEMENTS AS WELL THAT, UM, AND ANDY WANTS TO TALK, SO WE'LL LET HIM
SORRY THAT TOOK ME A MINUTE TO GET CAUGHT UP THERE.
SO WE WILL NEED TO HAVE SOME DEDICATION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHTS FOR ACCESS FOR UTILITIES, UM, THAT SORT OF THING THAT'LL BE PROVIDED FOR THE DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY AS A DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK WE WERE BEING GENERAL WITH THAT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE DETAIL OF, UH, SOME OF THAT INFORMATION YET.
I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT EVEN REFERRED TO, SO.
UM, I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE OF THE CURVE AND THE COMMON DRIVEWAY, WELL, I WOULDN'T, LET ME JUST SAY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BACK OUT ONTO FOREST ROAD EXTENSION,
SO I'M WONDERING IF THE COMMON DRIVEWAY IS SUCH THAT, OR IF THE DRIVEWAY IS, WHEN IT SPLITS IS LONG ENOUGH, WILL BE LONG ENOUGH SO THAT PEOPLE WILL COME OUT, UH, HEADFIRST.
IS THAT THE INTENT TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF SPACE? BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE THERE IF THAT'S HOW THEY DESIGN IT, THAT AND THE NUMBER OF, WE DO SEE A NUMBER OF LOTS HAVE TURNAROUND AREAS.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE ONCE IT COMES IN.
BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE THERE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, IF YOU SEE THIS IS THE, THE SHADED AREA HERE OR THE SHARED EASEMENTS, AND THEN YOU SEE THE SETBACKS FROM THERE.
SO I THINK THE SHARED ACCESS ABOUT 30 FEET AND THEN IT'S A 25 FOOT SETBACK FROM THERE.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CC NR WELL, LET ME ASK THIS.
IS THE, UH, DEVELOPER GOING TO BE ALSO THE BUILDER OR OVERSEE THE BUILDING? WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP THERE? OR THEY'RE SIMPLY DOING, UM, LUKE EPTON WAS EPTON ENGINEERING.
I HAVE THE BOWERS HERE, BUT THERE'S NO PLAN FOR ANY TYPE OF BUILDING IN OUR HOMES THERE RIGHT NOW.
ARE, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BUILDERS.
SO IT WOULD BE ALL CUSTOM HOMES OR IT WOULD BE TURNED OVER TO A BUILDER OR, YEAH, I MEAN, THEY COULD SELL THE LAND VACANT AS IS, OR A BUILDER COULD COME IN AND WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE, OR I MEAN, OURS, SOMEBODY COULD BUY IT AND BUILD THEIR OWN PERSONAL HOUSE THERE.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE HAD THIS QUESTION COME UP BEFORE, BUT AT WHAT POINT DOES CCNRS GET RECORDED? UM, THIS CAME UP DURING THE, YEAH, SO GENERALLY THE CITY DOESN'T REVIEW CCNRS BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT GENERALLY THEY WORK ON THEM DURING THE FINAL PLOT PROCESS WHEN THEY'RE FINALIZING EVERYTHING.
SO IS IT FAIR TO ASK THE OWNER NOW IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER CCNRS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT SHORT TERM RENTALS BEING CONSTRUCTED THERE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT TAKES PLACE BEYOND OUR ACTION TONIGHT AND THEREFORE WE HAVE NO SAY IN IT? YEAH, IT'S THE LADDER.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, SO YOU CAN'T PUT THOSE KIND OF CONDITIONS ON IT.
IT'S NOT CON WELL, IT'S A SUBDIVISION.
HAS A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT.
SO CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR THAT YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK THAT.
UH, IT JUST CAN'T BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OR, OR DENIAL.
YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK THE QUESTION.
WE'RE AT, WE'RE A BUILDER SUBDIVIDES THAN WE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION, BUT NOT IN THIS INSTANCE WITH FOUR SEPARATE SEPARATELY OWNED HOMES.
EVEN IF IT WAS A SUBDIVISION OF FOUR HOMES.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LINKED IN ANY WAY BY CCNRS OR COVENANTS DEEDS.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A, A SHARED USE PATH, BUT I REALLY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS.
UM, THIS SHADED AREA ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT WOULD WRAP AROUND AND JUST A PICKY PIGGYBACK.
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I SAW IT WAS REFERRED TO ALTERNATELY AS TRAILER PATH.IS IT THE KIND THAT IS A MULTI-USE.
THAT'S WHAT IS THAT A SIX FOOTER? 10 FOOT WHAT? IT'S 10 FOOT, YEAH.
IT'S PART OF THE STEPS PROGRAM.
UM, AND THIS ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE PLAT VERSUS A DEVELOPER LATER ON, OR A BUILDER LATER ON.
BUT IF THE LDC SAYS REGARDING STEEP SLOPES AND RIDGE LINES DON'T BUILD ON RIDGE LINES, HOW IS IT, HOW, IF THE DEVELOPER ISN'T THE BUILDER, HOW IS THIS ASSURED? SO SOMETHING YOU WOULD LOOK AT MM-HMM.
AS THE INDIVIDUAL HOUSES WERE BEING PRESENTED TO YOU.
AND WE ALSO LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE WILL GET THE LOT LINES AS CLOSE TO A RIDGE LINE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEN THERE'S A SETBACK FROM THEM.
SO JUST THE SETBACK FROM MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS.
THIS IS MORE OF A, IT'S NOT REALLY A RIDGE LINE ON HERE, IT'S KIND OF JUST A STEADY SLOPE DOWN
WHAT IS THAT GRADE? UM, IT'S STEEP.
IS IT? THE ROAD ITSELF IS 13, RIGHT? BOB ROAD IS, VARIES FROM 12.
WELL, IT VARIES ACTUALLY FROM 2% UP TO AS MUCH AS HIGH 50%.
SO I WAS TALKING MAXIMUM GRADE, SO APPARENTLY IT'S 15.
BUT I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE CITY RIGHT NOW IS USING THOSE LOTS FOR FILL.
SO THEY'RE BUILDING UP, UM, ALMOST, UM, SOME PLACES 30 FEET OF FILL AND IT'LL BE FAIRLY FLAT WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH PROBABLY A TWO OR 3% SLOPE.
SO THINGS WE CAN'T SEE 'CAUSE WE CAN'T WALK THERE.
IT'S A LITTLE OFF TOPIC, BUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THOSE GIANT BOULDERS THAT ARE ON 89 A RIGHT NOW, ALONG NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK, THEY WILL BE WISE FOR TO GO TO HER MICROPHONE IF WE TALK.
SO FOR THE RECORD, BOB WELCH, ASSOCIATE CITY ENGINEER AND PROJECT MANAGER ON THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT RELATIVE TO THE BOULDERS.
THEY WILL BE USED FOR THE RETAINING WALL CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL OCCUR ALONG THE BOWERS PROPERTY.
UM, BASICALLY THE FULL SOUTHERN PORTION ALL THE WAY AROUND THE U PORTION TO JUST BEFORE THE, UM, THE, UM, END OF THE CURVE THERE AT THE TOP.
SO ROUGHLY, I THINK, DO YOU HAVE A POINTER? I DO.
HOW ABOUT UP HERE? SO IT DOESN'T WORK ON A TV.
SO FROM ABOUT A POINT HERE, MM-HMM.
IT'LL BE A RET, UH, ROCKERY TYPE RETAINING WALL.
A VERY ATTRACTIVE RETAINING WALL, AND IT IS TAKING QUITE A WHILE FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO CONSTRUCT.
UH, SO WE HAVE A GOOD, UH, ROCKERY WALL BUILDER ON THIS.
IT'S USING LARGE ROCKS, WHICH YOU WILL FIND AFTER YOU DRIVE THIS ROAD WHEN THE PROJECT'S COMPLETE A VERY ATTRACTIVE LOOK.
WIL, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? NO, I, I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO WALK THE PROPERTY AND SO I CAN KIND OF VISUALIZE IT.
AND THE ROCK WALL IS BEAUTIFUL.
THINK JOE HAS SOME, I'M SORRY.
OH, JOE, I, I ALSO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
I ALSO WALKED THE PROPERTY AND, UH, A LOT OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON LOTS FOUR, THREE AND FOUR IS JUST FULL OF RED DIRT.
THERE'S VERY LITTLE VEGETATION NOW IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE ONLY, ONLY THING I SAW WAS, UH, I, UH, SYMPATHIZE.
LIKE FIVE COYOTE, LIKE EVERY 20 MINUTES THERE WAS ANOTHER COYOTE AND ANOTHER COYOTE, AND THE ROCK WALLS WERE BEAUTIFUL AS WELL.
WE'VE ANSWERED ALL OUR QUESTIONS UP HERE.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN GETTING MORE INFORMATION, ASKING QUESTIONS, EXPRESSING ANY CONCERNS OR SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.
AND RICHARD DIETER, IF YOU'D COME TO THE MIC, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
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THANK YOU.THANK YOU THAT I'M, I I YOU'RE UP HERE FOR THE PARKING GARAGE.
I'VE, I'M SORRY TO CALL YOU TO THE LECTERN.
ANYWAY, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM HAVING A GARAGE,
WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
WHERE IS GEORGE? KEEP ME STRAIGHT.
OKAY, SO WE WILL OPEN AND CLOSE THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TO BE MADE.
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.
AND A MOTION MOTION IS ON PAGE NINE OF YOUR PACKET.
OR MAYBE YOU PRINTED IT OFF FOR YOURSELF.
ONCE AGAIN, I CAN'T GET ONLINE AND I CAN'T CALL IT UP.
I'M HAPPY TO DO IT TWO WEEKS AGO.
THERE'S A GRANDMA THAT LIVES IN MY IPAD.
I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLOT AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 21 DASH 0 0 0 2 0 BOWERS SUBDIVISION BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.5, AND SATISFACTION OF THE SUBDIVISION FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
DON'T NEVER BE THIS QUICK AGAIN,
THANK YOU BOWERS FAMILY AND OTHERS.
WE'LL WAIT TILL YOU EXIT AND THEN WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
[5.b. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Development Review (DEV) to allow for construction of a parking garage (Uptown Parking Garage) at 430 & 460 Forest Road. The property is zoned M3 (Mixed Use Activity Center), is ±1.24 acres, and is located on the north side of Forest Road west of Smith Road. APN: 401-16-100 & 401-16-071. Case Number: PZ21-00003 (DEV) Owner/Applicant: City of Sedona (Public Works, Bob Welch)]
ALL RIGHTY.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE B PUBLIC HEARING.
POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR REPRO APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO ALLOW THE, FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A PARKING GARAGE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE AT 4 3 0 AND 4 6 0 FOREST ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS OWNED M THREE MIXED USE ACTIVITY CENTER, AND IT'S 1.24 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES, AND IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD, WEST OF SMITH ROAD, ARIZONA.
PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 1 DASH 16 DASH ZERO AND 4 0 1 DASH 16 DASH 0 7 1.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 21 0 0 0 0 3.
AND THE OWNER APPLICANT IS NONE OTHER THAN CITY OF SEDONA, REPRESENTED BY BOB WELCH OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
SO ARE YOU GONNA LEAD OFF BOB OR CARRIE? I'M GONNA DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
I AM JOINED BY JAN LAURENT, WHO IS THE, UM, WITH THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
AND BOB, WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR MANAGER FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO I WILL GIVE JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND THEN JAN WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DESIGN SPECIFICS OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, THIS IS ALL THE THINGS THAT THE CHAIR JUST SAID.
UM, AND THE APPLICATION IS FOR A THREE LEVEL, 262 SPACE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, AS THE CHAIR READ, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED M THREE, WHICH IS THE MIXED USE ACTIVITY CENTER, AND IT IS COMMERCIAL IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
THERE WAS AN ASSOCIATED COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE PARCEL BACK IN 2021.
UM, AND THAT WAS DONE WITH THE, UM, EXPRESSED INTENT OF DEVELOPING THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND SO, UM, THIS IS JUST THE NEXT STEP IN THAT PROCESS.
UM, VICINITY MAP, IT MIGHT LOOK VERY FAMILIAR TO THE VICINITY MAP THAT YOU WERE JUST LOOKING AT, BECAUSE THIS IS ON FOREST ROAD TOO.
WE'RE DOING ALL THE FOREST ROAD PROJECTS TONIGHT.
AND SO, UM, WITH THE NEW FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, THIS, THIS GARAGE WOULD BE RIGHT OFF OF THAT NEW, UM, WAY INTO UPTOWN.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY TWO PROPERTIES, BUT THEY WOULD BE COMBINED WITH THIS APPLICATION AND DEVELOPED AS A PARKING GARAGE.
UM, THIS IS THE LAYOUT OF THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UM, I DID NOT INCLUDE THE GROUND FLOOR OR THE UPPER LEVEL BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T TOO EXCITING.
BUT, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS YOU HAVE THE ENTRANCE AT THE CENTER, UM, EXITS ON EITHER SIDE, UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE LEVEL TO BE AT THE GROUND LEVEL ONE UP, ONE DOWN.
UM, THIS IS ALSO THE LEVEL WHERE YOU HAVE THE POLICE SUBSTATION AND SOME RESTROOMS, AND THEN
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BIKE PARKING ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE THERE.UM, THIS HOW IT FITS INTO THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, UM, OVER TO THE EAST HERE.
THIS IS, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS ZONE COMMERCIAL, THIS IS A, LIKE A CENTURY LINK DATA CENTER.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME HOUSES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST.
THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE RENDERING OF THE GARAGE.
UM, AND THEN THE ELEVATIONS YOU HAVE HERE, THE TOP ELEVATION HERE IS THE VIEW FROM FOREST ROAD.
UM, AND THEN YOU SEE KIND OF THE NEXT TWO ARE THE SIDE VIEWS AS YOU SEE THE PARKING GARAGE SET INTO THE HILLSIDE THERE.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE, THIS, THIS MIDDLE ONE HERE WOULD BE THE VIEW FROM THE BACK.
AND SO IT'S, EVEN THOUGH IT IS, YOU KNOW, A THIRD LEVEL, UM, IT'S PRETTY EVEN WITH THE GROUND LEVEL AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN THIS BOTTOM ONE IS THE ELEVATION FROM THAT CENTURYLINK DATA CENTER TO THE, TO THE EAST.
UM, THE, YOUR STAFF REPORT HAS OUR COMPLETE REVIEW OF THE PROJECT FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE AND THE FINDINGS FOR A DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW APPLICATION, UM, FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
THERE, THERE WAS THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, BOB AND JAN CAN TALK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THAT.
UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN NOTICED POSTING ON THE PROPERTY MAILING TO THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PHASE OF REVIEW.
AGAIN, THIS IS AN ONGOING PROJECT.
THERE WERE COMMENTS AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH AS TO WHETHER THE GARAGE SHOULD PROCEED OR NOT.
UM, THEY CAN TALK MORE TO THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FOR THAT.
BUT REALLY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION IS LOOKING AT THE DESIGN OF THE GARAGE, WHETHER IT MEETS OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE APPLICATION, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS.
UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFICATIONS ABOUT WHAT THE DIFFERENT PHASES ARE OR MM-HMM.
UM, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UM, BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND THEN JAN HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL, IF YOU WANT HIM TO DO THAT NOW, OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME FIRST.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT OF NO, WE CAN WAIT.
AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF, WOULD YOU JUST, UH, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? I'M AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I'M WITH GABOR LARON ARCHITECTS.
WE'RE BASED IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT OVER THE LAST, UH, COUPLE OF YEARS.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT DOING THAT RIGHT OUT OF THE SHOOT.
ALRIGHT, SO THE, UH, BUILDING ITSELF IS LARGELY INSPIRED BY THE MAGNIFICENT, UH, ROCK FORMATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN SEDONA.
UH, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, THE SORT OF UNDULATING FORMS, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL KIND OF BOXY GARAGE WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT, UH, TO FIT INTO THE HILLSIDE, UH, AND ALSO TO INTRODUCE COLORS AND FORMS THAT ARE, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY APPROPRIATE TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, UH, HERE IN SEDONA.
SO THIS IS, UH, BEING PASSED AROUND THE COLORS THAT HAVE BEEN SELECTED.
AND, UH, THE INSPIRATION FOR THOSE COLORS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SLIDE UP ON THE, UH, UH, ON THE SCREEN IS THE, THE ACTUAL ROCK FORMATIONS.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, UH, RED COLORS AND SO FORTH.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M HAPPY TO REPORT, WE'RE USING BOB'S ROCKS FROM THE EXCAVATION OF THE ROAD
SO WE HAVE GABON WALLS THAT WILL HAVE THAT REDDISH, OH, OOPS.
IT'S LIKE, WHO THAT DARN SOMEBODY SAWING THROUGH THE SHEET ROCK
WE'RE DOING OUR OWN EXCAVATION THERE.
UH, SO THAT, UH, IS A KEY COMPONENT THAT WILL BE AROUND THE THREE OF THE FOUR SIDES OF THE, UH, GARAGE ITSELF.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE, UH, PAINTED, UH, UH, UM, CONCRETE WALLS AS WELL AS MASONRY WALLS THAT ARE WORKING, UH, WITH THAT COLOR PALETTE.
WE'VE INTRODUCED SOME VARIATION, UH, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD, UH, FROM P AND Z, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH CARRIE AND HER STAFF, UH, IN TERMS OF THE COLORS AND THE, UH, MODULATION OF THE FEATURES THAT YOU SAW, UH, AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDES, UH, OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UH, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DO HAVE SOME SIGNATURE WALLS, UH, THAT WE ARE INTRODUCING LAYERED CONCRETE COLORS.
UH, IN ESSENCE, AGAIN, MIMICKING WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
WE'VE HAD SOME SAMPLES BUILT FULL SIZE.
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SEE SOME OF THE MATERIAL ON THE MATERIAL BOARD THAT WE WORKED WITH.UH, WE'VE DONE SOME INSPECTIONS WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR WHO WILL BUILDING, WHO WILL BE BUILDING THOSE WALLS.
UH, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A, A NOD TO THE KIND OF UNIQUE CHARACTER THAT IS SEDONA.
SO HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE FOREST ROAD SIDE OF THINGS.
WE HAVE WHAT AMOUNTS TO A COUPLE OF RATHER UNUSUAL FEATURES.
THE UNDULATING WALL BEING FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, THAT IS SCREENING THE UPPER LEVEL.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU SEE THE BOOKENDING WALLS, WHICH ARE THE ITEM NUMBER ONE, AS WELL AS THE CENTRAL WALL, WHICH IS THAT LAYERED COVERED, UH, LAYERED COLORED CONCRETE.
UH, THAT'S MIMICKING THE LAYERS OF THE, UH, SANDSTONE AND THE LIKE IN THE, UH, ROCK FORMATIONS.
UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, A FAIRLY, UH, SIGNIFICANT EFFORT WITH PARK SMART AND BEING ENERGY FRIENDLY.
AH, I GUESS I HAVE THE HANDY DEAL HERE.
UH, SO, UH, THESE, JUST BACKING UP, THESE ARE THOSE MODULATED COLORS IN THE, UH, CONCRETE ITSELF.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A RANGE OF, UH, ENERGY FRIENDLY KIND OF COMPONENTS, NOT LEAST OF WHICH IS THE SOLAR ARRAY THAT IS WORKING ITS WAY FACING SOUTH ACROSS.
IT'S ALSO PROVIDING US WITH A NICE VIEWING SHADED PLATFORM, WHICH WILL HAVE BRONZE PLAQUES THAT ARE DESCRIBING THE ROCK FORMATIONS TO THE SOUTH.
WE HAVE MAGNIFICENT VIEWS FROM THIS, UH, GARAGE ITSELF.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE, UH, A RATHER FRIENDLY ARRANGEMENT WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF BICYCLE PARKING.
UH, HERE YOU SEE, JUST TUCKED BEHIND THE BICYCLE PARKING IS THE POLICE, UH, DEPARTMENT BEAT OFFICE THAT IS PROVIDED RIGHT THERE AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
AS CARRIE HAD MENTIONED, THERE IS ONE ENTRY POINT AND THEN A TRIO OF EXIT POINTS AT THE ENDS, UH, OF THE GARAGE.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A KIND OF FOCAL POINT CENTRAL STAIR, UH, THAT WORKS ITS WAY UP SO THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, THIS CAN BE MORE THAN JUST ABOUT PARKING VEHICLES.
IT CAN BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE IN THOSE VIEWS AND SO FORTH.
UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TAKING A LOOK, UH, AT THE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT LAYERING EFFECT.
SO AS WE WORK OUR WAY TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER, WE CAN, WE ARE ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO THE HILLSIDE STRETCHING IN WHERE THAT'S OUR THREE STORIES BASICALLY DOWN 1, 2, 3.
UH, SO IN ESSENCE, WE'RE ONLY A COUPLE FEET ABOVE THE CURRENT GRADES AT THAT CORNER.
IT'S REALLY VERY MUCH SUBMERGED.
UH, AS WE WORK OUR WAY ACROSS, THE GRADES DO DROP.
SO WE TOOK THE SLOPE OF THE GARAGE ITSELF ACTUALLY SLOPES LIKE YOU SEE FOREST ROAD SLOPING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE AND MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SO AGAIN, ON THAT NORTH SIDE, WE'VE MODULATED THOSE FORMS AND ARE USING SOME VARIEGATED COLORS.
IN ADDITION TO THE PAINTED CONCRETE, WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, COLORED MATERIALS THAT ARE THE MASONRY ITSELF, UH, AGAIN, WITH A NOD TOWARDS THE, UH, CHARACTER OF THE ROCK FORMATIONS AND SO FORTH.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? OKAY, AND THE, UH, LANDSCAPING AROUND THE, UH, PERIMETER OF THE FACILITY, UH, WE PULLED THE BUILDING AS FAR AS WE COULD OVER, UH, TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WITH THE IDEA OF MAXIMIZING THE BUFFER SPACE, UH, THAT WE HAVE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTS.
WE ARE USING NATIVE, UH, MATERIAL WITH THE DESERT WILLOWS AND JUNIPERS THAT ARE WORKING THEIR WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER, UH, PROVIDING THAT BUFFER REQUIREMENT.
AND HERE YOU SEE THE SOLAR ARRAYS.
THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL WAS RATHER KEEN ON.
UH, SO WE ARE GENERATING ENOUGH POWER, UH, TO BASICALLY SUPPORT THE STRUCTURE WITHOUT, UH, POWER, UH, WHEN THE SUN IS UP.
UH, SO WE HAVE THAT PAIR, UH, THIS IS DOWN A HALF LEVEL FROM THE NEIGHBORS HERE.
UH, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONSCIOUS DECISIONS THAT WOULD MAKE BE MADE SO THAT WE ARE OUTSIDE OF THE VIEW CORRIDORS TO THE ROCKS IN THE MOUNTAINS THAT ARE TO THE SOUTH.
THIS IS DOWN, UH, ONE LEVEL, A HALF A LEVEL, REALLY FROM THAT TOP LEVEL.
AND THEN OUR GROUND LEVEL IS BELOW.
AND THESE ARE THE THREE FLOORS.
AND WE HAVE THESE SLIDES AVAILABLE.
UH, SO THIS IS BASICALLY FULLY BURIED UNDER THE, UH, UH, UH, GROUND LEVEL AREA.
UH, SO WE'RE DOWN WHAT AMOUNTS TO A HALF LEVEL DOWN, ONE FULL LEVEL HERE.
AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'RE UP ONE LEVEL.
AND THEN, UH, BASICALLY ONE AND A HALF LEVELS, UH, THAT FOLLOWS THE SLOPE OF THE, UH, OF THE UH, UH, SOIL ITSELF AND THE GROUND PLANE.
AND WITH THAT, I THINK I'VE COVERED THE BASES, BUT I HAVE ADDITIONAL SLIDES IF YOU HAVE SOME MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK.
I APPRECIATE THE BREVITY OF YOUR PRESENTATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, MR. LAURENT
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CO.UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE SOLAR CAN MANAGE THE POWER NEEDS OF THE BUILDING WHEN THE SUN IS UP.
DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL OF THE CHARGING THAT IT LEAST USED TO BE ON THE TOP FLOOR? SO WE HAVE, UH, THE CHARGING IS ACTUALLY LOCATED ON THE GROUND LEVEL.
UH, AND THE INITIAL PUSH IS FOR SIX, UH, STATIONS.
UH, THE ARRANGEMENT THAT THE CITY HAS, UH, WITH THE CHARGING COMPANY IN ESSENCE IS ONE THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE SERVICE AND THEY'RE ABLE TO, UH, SELL THOSE, UM, THOSE, UH, SERVICES TO EV USERS.
SO THE ELECTRICITY IT'S COVERING IS LIGHTS AND HVAC LIKES AND YES.
SO WE HAVE FANS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAVE TO EXHAUST ANY OF THE, UH, UH, FUMES THAT WE HAVE FROM THE CARS AND SO FORTH AND DISPERSE THAT.
AND FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ ENGINEERING PLANS, BUT, UM, ARE THE PARKING LEVELS THEMSELVES FLAT OR AT SOME KIND OF DECLINE? THE REASON I ASK, AND THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN A MEETING AT SOME POINT IN THE LAST THREE TO FIVE YEARS, UM, IF THIS BUILDING WAS TO EVER REDEVELOP, UH, IF THE ACTUAL PARKING LEVELS AREN'T FLAT, YOU BASICALLY CAN'T REUSE IT.
SO THE, THE LEVELS DO SLOPE SO THAT WE GET DRAINAGE, BUT AT A VERY MODEST RATE.
SO EACH OF THE SIX PLATES, IF YOU WILL, UH, IN ESSENCE ARE FLAT SLOPING AT ABOUT 1%.
SO A VERY GENTLE SLOPE AKIN TO WHAT YOU HAVE OUT IN THE PLAZA HERE.
UH, AND THEY SLOPE IN THE, UH, FROM THE WESTERN EDGE TO THE EAST, AND THEN THEY GO UP IN TEARS.
SO YOU HAVE IN ESSENCE, KIND OF THINK OF IT AS TRAYS.
SO YOU HAVE SIX TRAYS THAT ARE HALF LEVELS APART, AND WE'VE SET IT UP SO THAT, AND YOU CAN SEE WE DO HAVE AN OFFICE TYPE SPACE WITH THE PD, UH, ON THAT FIRST LEVEL.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY CANDIDATE IF THERE WAS A COMMERCIAL NEED.
WELL, OLD PARKING GARAGES ARE NOW BEING TURNED INTO HOUSING.
BUT YOU CAN'T TURN THEM INTO HOUSING WITH THE ONES THAT HAVE PARKING AT EVERY YES.
AND WE DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING, UH, KIND OF SLOPE, BUT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT MINIMAL SLOPE.
ONE, WE WANTED TO ACCOMMODATE THE SLOPE THAT'S IN INHERENT IN THE GRADES ON THE SITE ITSELF.
AND TWO, WE HAVE TO HANDLE DRAINAGE.
I KNOW THAT THEY DO HAVE TO GO FROM ONE.
SO THE RAMPS ARE, THEY'RE SET UP IN PAIRS ON THE EAST AND THE WEST ENDS.
AND AS FOR CURB CUTS, THREE CURB CUTS.
UM, IS THERE A REASON THAT WE HAVE THAT, IF THERE IS THAT THIRD ONE BESIDES ONE ENTRY EXIT AND ONE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THE WHOLE GOAL, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE GO, GOES PAST THIS BUILDING.
THE PA THE PATH GOES PAST THIS BUILDING IS TO MINIMIZE CURB CUTS, ESPECIALLY WITH BICYCLE TRAFFIC.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THAT THIRD CURB CUT.
THE, THE INTENTION, ONE OF THE, THE KEY FUNCTIONS, IF THERE IS AN EVENT, LET'S SAY THERE'S A, UH, UH, AN ART SHOW MM-HMM.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS TO GET THE, UH, NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS THAT ALL RELEASE AT SIMILAR TIME.
SO, UH, ON THOSE OCCASIONS, IT, IT REALLY DOES MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE SECOND, UH, UH, SET OF EGRESS CUTS.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANY EVENTS THAT WOULD BE NEAR THERE THAT WOULD CREATE THAT KIND OF POINT LOAD.
IT MIGHT ALSO BE EMERGENCY EVACUATION.
I'M JUST, TWO OF THE CURB CUTS ARE SINGLE AISLE, SO THEY'RE NOT LIKE THE, THEY'RE NOT SEPARATE FROM EACH OTHER.
WELL, SO LIKE THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE UHHUH AND THE ONE ON INGRESS, IT'S JUST A ONE CAR UHHUH IN AND OUT.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THE WIDTH THAT A TYPICAL CURB CUT WOULD BIKING IN UPTOWN'S REALLY SCARY IN GENERAL.
SO ANY INFRASTRUCTURE WE CAN PUT INTO PLACE TO MAKE BIKING IN UPTOWN LESS SCARY.
'CAUSE IT'S VERY SCARY
SO I GUESS THAT'S MY ONLY FEEDBACK.
I, I WOULD LOVE TO ONLY SEE TWO CURB CUTS IF THAT'S A REALISTIC THING TO DO.
UM, IF IT'S EMERGENCY AND EGRESS AND STUFF, THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT, UM, TO ME, AVOIDING THE POTENTIAL OF CAR VERSUS BIKE INTERACTION IS ALWAYS A GOOD GOAL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MALTESE PATH GOING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THERE'S BIKE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN THE PICTURES.
SO I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE WITH CURB CUTS ON A BIKE.
ONE THING THOUGH, THAT'S UNUSUAL, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE CONTROLLED TRAFFIC.
SO YOU HAVE THE TRAFFIC ARMS. MM-HMM.
SO THAT REALLY SLOWS DOWN THE PACE OF A VEHICLE, UH, ENTERING AND LEAVING THE GARAGE.
SO THERE IS A BIT OF A BUILT-IN PAUSE FACTOR THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAKES IT MORE EASY TO SEE, OH MY GOODNESS, HERE COMES THE BIKE.
I BETTER GIVE HIM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, DOES THAT MEAN HYPOTHETICALLY, CARRIE, THAT WE COULD PUT THE ARM DOWN IN ONE OF, IF, IF THIS BECOMES AN ISSUE, THAT AN ARM
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COULD BE CLOSED AND ONLY USED IN CASE OF EMERGENCY? ANDY IS NODDING.UM, ONE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BOB, THE SGIS PATH IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
OH, THERE, THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS.
HERE, THERE WILL BE MULTIMODAL TRAVEL ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT THE BIG PATH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, THIS IS, THIS, UM, PARKING GARAGE IS SORT OF ONE PIECE OF, UH, OF THE PUZZLE FOR ENCOURAGING TRANSIT PARK AND RIDE, UH, WALK TO UPTOWN SHOPS.
SO, UM, I HAVE A COUP A COUPLE QUESTIONS AROUND THAT.
WHEN WOULD WE EXPECT THE CITY PUBLIC WORKS TO BE LOOKING AT ANY CHANGES TO THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS? UH, THAT MAY GO ONE WAY.
WOULD THAT COME BEFORE MASTER PLANNING OR, UH, OVERALL COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA, UM, SINCE THAT WILL BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE UTILIZATION OF THE GARAGE ITSELF.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS GONNA HAVE TO DO WITH RESTRICTED PARKING IN THAT RESIDENTIAL ZONE THERE.
THAT COULD INCLUDE AN ELEMENT OF ONE WAY MM-HMM.
UM, WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THAT EFFORT, ASSUMING IT WILL BE ONE WAY, THE MAIN FOCUS IS GONNA BE RESTRICTING THAT TO RESIDENTIAL PARKING ONLY.
AND PUSHING IT TO THE GARAGE AND OTHER PARKING FACILITIES.
AND DO WE HAVE A CONFIRMATION NOW THAT THAT WILL BE A TRANSIT STOP THERE? SO THERE WILL BE A TRANSIT STOP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UM, THE GARAGE.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT RIGHT THERE.
AND THE POLICE IS THAT, THAT'S NOT A SUBSTATION, IS IT AN OFFICE? WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING INTO THAT SPACE? IT'S A SMALL SUBSTATION.
IT'S THREE OR FOUR MAN SUBSTATION FOR THE POLICE.
AND THAT PLACES THERE, THERE 24 7.
I CAN'T SAY WHAT, WHAT THE MAN HOURS WILL BE THERE, BUT, UH, I'M ASSUMING THERE'LL BE SOME REPRESENTATION THERE DURING THE DAY.
AND WOULD THE TRAFFIC ASSISTANCE PERHAPS USE THAT FACILITY AS WELL? THE, OR MAYBE WE WON'T NEED ANY TRAFFIC ASSISTANCE ANYMORE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE TCAS NECESSARILY STATIONED THERE.
I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, A NEED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO UTILIZE SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEY COULD DO IT REMOTELY FROM THERE AND, AND THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME SPACE IN THAT GARAGE.
SO IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, TRAFFIC CON CONTROLS BECOME VERY IMPORTANT, BARRICADES, ET CETERA.
THEY NEED AREAS TO STORE THAT STUFF THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UH, UNDER EMERGENCY CONDITIONS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE IT READY AT HAND.
SO THIS WOULD SERVE AS ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITY.
ANDY, DID YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? BOB COVERED IT.
SEE I GOT ANYTHING ELSE HERE? OH, REGARD AGAIN REGARDING PARKING AND ASSISTING OUR VISITORS IN FINDING AVAILABLE PARKING.
IS ANY OF THAT TECHNOLOGY BEING CONSIDERED IN TANDEM WITH THE, EITHER USING THIS PARKING GARAGE OR THE OTHER PARKING LOTS OF THE CITY OWNS? AND AND HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD ARE YOU IN SOFTWARE APPS OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO ASSIST THE VISITOR KNOWING WHERE PARKING EXISTS? YOU WANNA START THAT, BOB? YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START THAT OFF.
SO WE, WE WILL BE EVALUATING, UH, A NUMBER OF PAID ACCESS REVENUE COLLECTION SYSTEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARKING GARAGE.
UH, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT A YEAR AGO, THE, THE INTENT WAS TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING ON A FREE LEVEL BASIS.
HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THE INTEREST HAS CHANGED SINCE THAT POINT.
AND, UH, SO WE'RE CURRENTLY EVALUATING THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. UM, DON'T ASK ME TO CHARACTERIZE 'EM YET AT THIS STAGE BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY EARLY ON, BUT, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GOOD SYSTEMS OUT THERE.
UM, THE INTENT FOR THIS PARKING TO GARAGE IS TO MAKE IT INTELLIGENT.
AND WHEN I SAY INTELLIGENT, THAT MEANS, UH, IT'S KIND OF BROADCASTING ITSELF IN TERMS OF SPACE AVAILABILITY, NUMBER OF SPACES, ET CETERA, WHERE THEY ARE.
AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF MOBILE APPS OUT THERE THAT KIND OF SUPPORT THAT VERY WELL.
SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT IT VERY DILIGENTLY AND, UH, WITH, UH, THE INTEREST OF A NUMBER OF FACTORS, WHAT THOSE SYSTEMS COST ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WHAT ARE THE,
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WHAT ARE THE MAINTENANCE WIFI NECESSITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT COST, ET CETERA.OH, SPEAKING OF COST, UM, YEAH, THAT WAS A QUESTION.
UH, THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT, UM, NOT QUOTE, NOT IN THE BUDGET.
SO I'M WONDERING DOES THE CITY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO WAIVE OUR OWN REQUIREMENTS OR HOW ELSE WILL THAT BE EXPRESSED OTHER THAN THE, UH, SIGN SIGN BOARDS PROVIDING HISTORICAL GEOLOGICAL INFORMATION ON THE VIEWING DECK.
SO THERE ARE WE GONNA EXPECT ANY MORE IN THAT, IN THAT REALM? SO THERE'S NOT A PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT FOR THIS.
IT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE AND BECAUSE REALLY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS LIKE THE POLICE SUBSTATION IN THE RESTROOMS, IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR A PUBLIC.
SO THIS ISN'T CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL, IT'S CONSIDERED A COMMUNITY FACILITY.
WHAT IS OUR NO, WELL, SO OUR, WHAT WOULD EXCLUDE THEM FROM PUBLIC ART? TION ART IS REQUIRED WHEN THE BUILDING IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER.
AND SO BUILDINGS BELOW THAT THRESHOLD, THIS DOESN'T INVOKE IT, DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT.
WHY DID WE SAY IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET? WELL, BUT MY EVALUATION, WHY DID THE APPLICANT SAY IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET? UH, THAT WOULD IMPLY THEY HAD CONSIDERED IT MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT SINCE IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.
SO ANDY, I DON'T KNOW IF BOB WANTS TO ADD ON TO THIS OR NOT, BUT WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL ART PIECES THAT MIGHT BE ADDED ALONG WITH THE FACILITY.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME PRETTY PROMINENT COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES THAT'LL BE INCLUDED WITH THIS AREA THAT WOULD LEND ITSELF WELL TO THAT SORT OF THING.
SO I KNOW OUR TEAM HAS BEEN PLUGGED IN WITH NANCY LATTANZI AND HER PROGRAMS AND UM, AS WELL AS SOME OTHERS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT SOME ARTISTIC TYPE ELEMENTS THAT MIGHT BE ADDED.
SO WE'RE LEAVING OUR MINDS OPEN TO THAT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, FUTURE ART, ART, UM, INCORPORATION WITH THE OKAY.
THAT'S AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS UP HERE, CHARLOTTE.
THIS IS A PROJECT SORT OF LIKE THE ONE BEFORE WHERE I'M SORT OF WONDERING WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS NOW? UM, AND PART, AND I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE, AND WE'VE SEEN ITERATIONS BEFORE.
UM, ON THE PROJECT PAGE, THERE'S A PARAGRAPH ABOUT ON NOVEMBER 15TH, 2023, WHAT CITY COUNCIL WAS PRESENTED WITH FINDING AND RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, DIRECTED STAFF TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, EMPLOYEE GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PARKING GARAGE PROJECT, FINALIZE A PLAN FOR FINALIZE A PLAN FOR CONSOLIDATION OF THE EXISTING PUBLIC PARKING LOTS AND ON STREET PARKING AND RESTRICT NON-RESIDENT PARKING ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
AND AGREED THE, UH, GARAGE MUST BE FULL, FULLY FUNDED BY USER FEES.
SO KEEP ME IN THE, IN THE RAIL.
UM, DON'T LET ME GO OFF THE RAILS HERE, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PART OF THE PROJECT THIS IS ON THE PROJECT PAGE,
WE LOOK AT AND WHAT PARTS IS STRICTLY CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? AND SO I GUESS A GOOD, IF YOU KIND OF THINK BACK TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE REVIEWED, IN THIS CASE, THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS REVIEWING THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
CITY COUNCIL NEEDS THE FINAL DESIGN, WELL, OUR CITY STAFF OR NEEDS THE FINAL DESIGN SO THEY CAN GET THE FINAL ESTIMATES FOR THE PARKING TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, THIS APPROVED DESIGN WILL COST THIS MUCH AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING ALL THE OTHER THINGS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION OF WHETHER, UM, THEY WANT, THEY WISH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
AND SO IN THE SAME WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS AGO YOU WERE LOOKING AT A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, THE COMMISSION SAID, THIS PLAN MEETS OUR REQUIREMENTS, WE'LL APPROVE IT, AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS WELCOME TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE CAN BUILD THIS AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO WHAT, WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT IS, DOES THE DESIGN OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE MEET THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR DESIGN? AND THEN CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION PLUS EVERYTHING ELSE THEY HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO DO AND MAKE A FINAL DECISION.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THOUGHT THE, IT MAKES SENSE.
UM, AND I SORT OF SUSPECTED THAT WAS THE CASE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT.
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BID AT THIS POINT.ARE YOU SAYING IT'S NOT OUT BID YET? I THOUGHT THEY WERE WAITING FOR THE ESTIMATE TO COME IN.
THIS, THIS CONSTRUCTION IS BEING CONDUCTED UNDER A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.
SEE MAR SO THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN ASPECTS OF THE PARKING GARAGE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, PRIMARILY FOR VALUE ENGINEERING.
SO HE ACTS IN PART AS A CONSULTANT TO THE CITY TO HELP US CONTROL COSTS AND ARRIVE AT A, UH, GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THIS PARKING GARAGE THAT IS WITHIN OUR BUDGET.
SO WE ARE CURRENTLY INHABIT IN THAT PROCESS BACK AND FORTH.
AND IT'S A THREE WAY PROCESS BETWEEN THE OWNER OF THE CITY, OUR ARCHITECT AND THE, AND OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.
AND WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
UM, IF THERE NEEDED TO BE FURTHER RE-ENGINEERING ONCE YOU GOT THE S THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR SOME REASON, WOULD WE SEE THIS AGAIN, IF ANY OF THE CHANGES WERE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE? YES, YOU WOULD.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING TO CHANGE HOW THE WALLS GET BUILT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU WOULDN'T SEE.
IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, GO FROM THEIR WAVY, THE WAVY WALL TO SOMETHING STRAIGHT AND REFLECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE EXTREME.
WE'D SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA.
BUT YEAH, SAME THING AS WITH ANY OTHER PROJECT, IF THEY'RE GONNA, IF THERE WERE CHANGES THAT WE LOOKED AT AND SAID THIS IS NOT WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED, WE WOULD BRING IT BACK.
AND I HAVE BEEN IN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE MEETINGS, SO I'M KEEPING THEM IN, TRYING TO KEEP THEM IN LINE.
UM, CAN I PIGGYBACK ON THAT? THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS ABOUT 10.3 MILLION, RIGHT? I DUNNO.
OH, I THINK WE WERE, YEAH, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET I THINK WAS CLOSER TO 11 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT WAS, UM, SOMETIME BACK.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, 'CAUSE I SEE THIS PROJECT, I DON'T SEE IT BEING CLOSE TO THAT.
SO, SO CERTAINLY SINCE THAT TIME THERE'S BEEN SOME INFLATIONARY COSTS, UM, THAT WERE HONESTLY HAVING TO DEAL WITH.
SO, UM, BUDGET IS, UH, NO LONGER AT 11.5.
COULD YOU JUST REFRESH, AT LEAST FOR ME, WHAT THE OVERALL DIMENSIONS ARE FROM THE TIPPY TOP OF THE LIGHT POLES ON THE TOP FLOOR OR THE SOLAR ARRAY, WHICHEVER IS TALLER.
UM, ALL TO GRADE TO GRADE AND THEN, WELL, IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY.
THE EXISTING GRADES OR FROM THE, THE STREET SIDE GRADE.
SO I GUESS IF WE, LET'S SAY STREET SIDE GRADES.
YEAH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, THERE'S THE STREET SIDE VIEW.
UH, SO THE POLES THEMSELVES ARE ABOUT 16 FEET FROM THAT, UH, ELEVATED LEVEL.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT 20, UH, 23 FEET, 24 FEET FROM WHERE THE GRADE WAS.
AND FROM THE SIDEWALK LEVEL, WE ARE SLOPING A BIT MORE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY ALL TOLD THE HIGHEST POINT IS ABOUT 30 FEET.
AND THE LENGTH, THE LENGTH OF THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, UH, IS ABOUT 280 FEET.
SO FROM ALONGSIDE THAT IS FROM, UH, STRETCHING ACROSS THE STREET SIDE.
AND THEN WE'RE ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET, 120 FEET I SHOULD SAY IN THE, IN THE, UH, DEPTH.
A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIGHT WELL IN THE CENTER.
UM, AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS AND IN LOOKING AT THE EARLIER DOCUMENTS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF HAVING, UM, AN IT HUB IN THE BUILDING AND THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION OF, UH, SHOULD THERE NOT BE ADEQUATE DEMAND FOR PARKING BEING ABLE TO CONVERT TO OFFICE OR SOME OTHER USE.
WERE THOSE, ARE THOSE IN THE PLANS AT THIS POINT? THEY ARE, YES.
SO THERE'S A IT HUB, THERE'S A POLICE PRESENCE AND THERE'S YES.
THE, UH, IN FACT WE JUST MET WITH IT GROUP LAST LAST WEEK TO FINALIZE SOME OF THE SPACE FOR THE IT INFRASTRUCTURE GOING IN THIS PARKING GARAGE.
UH, I'LL ADD THAT IN ANTICIPATION OF A TRANSIT HUB DOWN OFF OF, UH, THE RANGER ROAD BREWER ROAD EXTENSION.
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FOR A THREE INCH CONDUIT FROM THE, UM, INTERSECTION WITH STATE ROUTE 89 A IN THE NEW FOREST ROAD ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PARKING GARAGE.AND THAT WILL SERVE ULTIMATELY ONCE, UH, THE CONNECTION IS MADE TO THE HUB AND DOWN TO BREWER, UM, ALLOW IT TO PUT IN, I THINK IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAIR OF FIBER OPTIC LINE THAT WOULD BE, BUT THAT WOULD INTERCONNECT THE, UM, BREWER OFFICES WITH THE HUB, WITH THE NEW TRANSIT STATION AND THE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, OH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE IN LIEU FEE PROGRAM? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT WELL, SO THE CITY ADOPTED FEW, FEW YEARS BACK, UM, OF PARKING IN LIEU FEE FOR UPTOWN GIVING UPTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS THE ABILITY TO PAY A CERTAIN FEE RATHER THAN PROVIDING A PARKING SPACE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
NO ONE HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
UH, WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED ANYTHING, BUT IT IS THERE, UM, WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT IF, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO SIX PARKING SPACES ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WOULD PAY THE CITY A FEE.
THAT FEE, IF THEY PAID IT, UM, COULD GO TO A NUMBER OF THINGS.
PARKING GARAGE, INCREASED TRANSIT, INCREASED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CONNECTIVITY, AND UPTOWN KIND OF WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF PEOPLE.
UM, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THE SQUARE FOOT.
IT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THINGS WITH THE IDEA THAT NOT HAVING TO WALK BY A BUILDING THAN A PARKING LOT, A BUILDING IN A PARKING LOT JUST GIVES AN OVERALL BETTER EXPERIENCE.
IT CONCENTRATES PARKING IN A CERTAIN AREA.
UM, THAT PROGRAM, THAT PROGRAM IS STILL IN EXISTENCE.
NO BUSINESS OWNER HAS PAID THE FEE YET.
AND THAT FEE'S 30,000 PER PARKING.
I THINK IT'S LIKE 35,000 WITH SOME INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENTS EACH YEAR THAT CAN BE DONE.
SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME ONE OPERATIONAL QUESTION, I, I COULD STRETCH IT INTO MAYBE COMMUNITY PLAN GOALS OR CFA PLANNING OR, UM, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES THERE ARE IN UPTOWN? SECONDLY, MM-HMM.
BUT, SO I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY EMPLOYEES THERE ARE IN UPTOWN.
I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, WHEN THE CITY FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT DOING A PARKING GARAGE IN UPTOWN AND LOOKING AT THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PLANNING DID, UM, WAS GO OUT AND VERIFY PARKING THAT, UM, BUSINESSES UP THERE WERE MEETING THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT WE FOUND, MM-HMM.
BUT WHAT WE FOUND IS A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES HAD CONVERTED EXISTING PARKING INTO STORAGE, THAT SORT OF THING.
WE WORKED WITH A LOT OF BUSINESSES TO REMOVE THAT STORAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE ALL PROVIDING THE PARKING THAT THEY HAD SAID THEY WERE GOING TO.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT EACH BUSINESS UP THERE IT HA SHOULD HAVE.
AND SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING COMES UP, WE HAVE THOSE RECORDS.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION AT ALL.
WELL, I'M WONDERING THEN, ARE YOU SAYING THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT, 80% OF THE BUSINESSES UP THERE ARE ABLE TO PARK THEIR EMPLOYEES? I AM SAYING THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, THEY ARE PROVIDING THE PARKING THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE WHEN THEIR DEVELOPMENTS WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
IF THEY, YOU KNOW, TELL CERTAIN THINGS TO THEIR EMPLOYEES AS TO WHETHER THEY CAN OR CAN'T PARK ON THE LOT.
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PAY HOURLY FOR THEIR ENTIRE WORK SHIFT, I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT.I THINK, I THINK YOU SAID, UH, PAID NOW, I MEAN FREE NOW.
AND YOU WERE GONNA CONSIDER PAID ANDY WANTS AT SOME OTHER TIME AND WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
SO I, I, I'LL LET ANDY JUMP IN WHERE, WHERE HE THINKS I'M WRONG, BUT THE PARKING GARAGE JUST PROVIDE US SOME FLEXIBILITY TO DO A NUMBER OF THINGS.
ONE, ONE IS TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF OUR PARKING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
WE DID DO A STUDY AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A BALLPARK NUMBER, ANDY, IN OUR SECOND PARKING STUDY ANALYSIS.
BUT IT, IT'S A GENERAL NUMBER AT, AT THIS TIME.
THERE, THERE IS A NEED, UM, TO LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, I THINK.
UH, AND WE WILL BE DOING THAT.
UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTORS DIRECTIVES WE'VE GOTTEN BACK IN NOVEMBER.
UM, SO, UH, BUT THIS, THIS PARKING GARAGE IS A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, COULD I, ANDY, IF YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL RESTRICTED PARKING, UM, WAY FINDING.
THESE, THESE THINGS ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD ONCE WE HIRE A PARKING MANAGER THAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEW BUDGET, IT'S PROPOSED WITH THAT TO START AN FY 25.
SO THIS SUMMER, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA START PURSUING ALL THESE ADDITIONAL ANALYSES THAT WE WERE DIRECTED BY COUNCIL TO, TO PURSUE.
UM, AND THE SECOND ONE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG 'CAUSE I'M SURE YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
AND THE SECOND ONE, SOMEHOW THEY WENT DOWN AND IT WAS, I WANNA SAY SOMEWHERE IN THE MID TWENTIES, I WANNA SAY 25%, I DUNNO, UH, OF THE PARKING DEFICIT WAS DUE TO LACK OF EMPLOYEE PARKING.
SO THAT MUST HAVE BEEN CARRIE'S DIRECTIVE TO GET RID OF THAT STORAGE IN THE PARKING LOTS.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS UP HERE? YEAH, JOE.
I'M GLAD THIS IS DOING PARK SMART.
IS THERE GONNA BE ANY SORT OF EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE ON THE STRUCTURE THAT TALKS ABOUT BEING CERTIFIED BRONZE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO SHOW ITS COMMITMENT TO SUSTAINABILITY BY HIGHLIGHTING THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING.
'CAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IF THEY DON'T KNOW.
UM, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HAD.
UM, I THINK LAST TIME WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH THE BIKING AND EVERYTHING, POSSIBLY PROVIDING A WATER STATION.
UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE, FROM THE LAST MEETING, I DUNNO IF THAT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN ANDY, YOU KNOW, QUESTION AS WELL.
AND THEN ON SHEET, I GUESS IT'S SHEET 13 OF 17 OF THE KIMLEY HORN PLANS, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU COULD, THE PLANT MIX.
I HAD BROUGHT IT UP LAST TIME.
CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND THAT WEDGE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, CONCERNS IS THAT GONNA BE ACCESSIBLE BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS? I KNOW IN LOS ANGELES RIGHT THERE, SOME CRIME STUFF WOULD HAPPEN IN AREAS LIKE THIS.
UM, IT IS A SPACE THAT'S ABOUT, UH, 10 12 FEET WIDE UHHUH
UH, AND IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY VISIBLE OF THE, THERE IS ACTUALLY A PARKING DECK TO THE NORTH.
SO THERE IS SOME ACTIVITY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE IN THAT AREA.
BUT, UH, UM, WE, IT, IT IS FAIRLY STEEP.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE NECESSARILY EASY TO GET IN AND, AND, AND, UM, HANG OUT THERE.
BUT I THINK IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR POLICE BEAT OFFICE THERE YEAH.
ARE GONNA WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO.
I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT CONCERN AGAIN.
UM, PEOPLE SLEEPING THERE, CHIME IN AND ADD, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CAMERAS THAT ARE BEING ADDED TO THE PARKING GARAGE ITSELF FOR GREAT, UM, VARIOUS REASONS, INCLUDING SECURITY.
UH, A LOT OF THESE ON THE TOP DECK WILL HAVE 360 DEGREE VIEWS.
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SO MOST EVERY COMPONENT FOOT SQUARE FOOT OF THAT PARKING GARAGE WILL BE VIEWABLE, VIEWABLE FROM A SECURITY CAMERA PULL.UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO BACK TO PAGE TWO OF THE PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS THE FRONT.
UM, I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR EDUCATION, RIGHT? IN THAT LANDSCAPING STRIP ALONG THE WHOLE PROJECT FRONTAGE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE THAT A FUNCTIONING BIOSWALE WITH EDUCATION PLAQUES TO DIVERT SOME STORM WATER TO THOSE AND SAY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TREATING AND MITIGATING RUNOFF AND CREATING AN EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THERE AS WELL? THAT PEOPLE WILL BE WALKING BY? JUST A SUGGESTION.
UM, WE, WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME, UM, I THINK SOME RETENTION ALONG THE BACKSIDE YA, UM, THAT CAN SUPPORT SOME VEGETATION IN THE, IN THAT AREA.
SO YOU SAW ALONG THE EAST EDGE OF THAT PARKING GARAGE.
SO WE ARE COLLECTING SOME RAINFALL RUNOFF ON THE BACKSIDE.
AND WE'VE GOT SOME VEGETATION PLANTED IN THERE.
THERE IS A LOW SPOT ALONG THAT BACKSIDE FOR COLLECTING THAT RAINWATER AND COLLECTING IT AND THEN GETTING IN, GETTING SOME INTO THE DRAIN PIPE.
WE CAN PERHAPS DO SOMETHING WITH RAISING THE SIDES OF THAT INLET SO THAT WE PAWN SOME LEVEL OF WATER THAT WILL ALLOW INFILTRATION.
WELL I WAS JUST MORE INTERESTED IN THIS BEING A VISIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO THE PUBLIC AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY MAKE AN ACTIVE BIOSWALE ALONG THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WITH LITTLE SIGNS THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THAT WAS JUST, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S TOO SMALL, IF YOU CAN'T DIVERT A ROOF DOWN SPOUT, YOU KNOW, YADA YADA YADA.
AND THEN WE'RE, WE'VE GOT TREATMENT SYSTEMS ON THAT, UH, SYSTEM AS WELL.
I KNOW I'M ASKING ABOVE AND BEYOND.
IT JUST, YOU KNOW, I LIKE OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE CONTROL TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR SUSTAINABILITY, YOU KNOW, VISION.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS A REALLY SILLY QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS ALL PROJECT STARTED BEFORE MY TIME AND I JUST DON'T REALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE PUTTING THIS UP HERE
'CAUSE WE'RE STILL GETTING ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING INTO UPTOWN TO PARK.
SO NOT, NOT TO BE, UH, RE QUOTING SOMEBODY, BUT, UM, THE PARKING GARAGE IS NOT A DESTINATION.
PEOPLE WANT TO PARK NEXT TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
UM, AND THE GENERAL LIMIT FOR PEOPLE PARKING IS GENERALLY WITHIN 400 FEET OF WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
UH, WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR PARKING IN THE UPTOWN AREA.
UM, CERTAINLY TRANSIT PLAYS A ROLE.
AND WHEN I SAY OUR WOES, OUR NEED, UH, TO HANDLE OUR TOURISM.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST ONE COMPONENT, UM, OF THAT.
AND, UM, UH, IT WILL SERVE MARKING.
WELL THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR ME.
UM, I NOTICED IN THE PLANS THERE'S TWO SETS OF BATHROOMS. IS THAT CORRECT? ONE'S IN THE LOWER LEVEL AND ONE ON THE UPPER LEVEL? CORRECT.
SO, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, PUBLIC BATHROOMS ARE, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES, RIGHT? WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO BATHE.
WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HANG OUT IN THE AIR CONDITIONING.
UM, WHAT HAS, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT HAS THE CITY THOUGHT ABOUT SECURITY IN REGARDS TO THE BATHROOMS? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CITIES DON'T WANNA PUT PUBLIC BATHROOMS IN 'CAUSE OF SOME OF THOSE OBSTACLES.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA SAY WE'RE VANDAL PROOF IN ANY REGARD HERE.
UM, I, I KNOW WE'VE SPOKEN WITH THE FACILITIES MANAGERS AND HE'S DIRECTED US TO USE SOME, SOME FACILITY TYPES, UM, THAT ARE NOT PRONE TO VANDALISM.
SO, UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY WEIGHING THOSE BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPENSIVE.
SO STAINLESS STEEL, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, TOILET, STAINLESS STEEL SINKS, ET CETERA.
VERY EXPENSIVE OVER PORCELAIN.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SERVE A PURPOSE.
UM, I THINK THE ASPECT OF HAVING A POLICE SUBSTATION THERE SERVES SOME DETERRENCE.
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STOP EVERYTHING.YEAH, IT'S LIKE ANY, ANYTHING.
I THINK SO WE'VE GOT SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS.
I THINK WE'RE MAKING A GOOD EFFORT TO MINIMIZE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION WAS IN REGARDS TO THE SECURITY CAMERAS AND TO THE RESIDENT THAT'S TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHEN I WALKED THE PROPERTY YESTERDAY, I, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SEE YOU'VE SHOWED IN ON THE PLANS HOW CLOSE THAT DRIVEWAY IS TO THE, UM, WHAT, WHAT THINGS ARE YOU GUYS GONNA PUT IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THAT HOUSE HAS SOME PROP PRIVACY? BECAUSE YOU, ON THEIR DRIVEWAY, YOU CAN SEE INTO THEIR HOME.
YEAH, SO HIS DRIVEWAY WAS PREVIOUSLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
WE RELOCATED HIS DRIVEWAY TO WITHIN, WITHIN HIS PROPERTY.
I, I THINK IT'S A RATHER NICE DRIVEWAY IN
UM, AND THAT, THAT A AFFORD US, AFFORDED US THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR LANDSCAPE AREA AND, AND PERHAPS HIDE THAT FACADE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM HIM.
UM, CERTAINLY, UM, HE'S CLOSE TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
UH, HE WILL BE EXPERIENCING SOME PERHAPS LIGHT CASTING AND SOME NOISE.
I THINK WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO MAINTAIN.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT DOING IS PROVIDING A, A, A VERY SMOOTH PARKING DECK SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE TURNING, YOU GET THAT SCREECHING SOUND WITH THE TIRE SKIDDING.
SO IF WE CAN ADD SOME COARSENESS TO OUR SURFACE, THAT HELPS A LOT CUT DOWN THAT NOISE.
UM, I KNOW JAN HAS DONE SOME WORK PUTTING UP SOME, UM, WALLS ON THE UPPER DECK TO AVOID THAT LIGHT CASTING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WE DO WANT SOME LIGHTING UP THERE AT AT NIGHT.
WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
ANOTHER REASON IS FOR SECURITY AND, AND SO PEOPLE CAN VISIBLY SEE WHERE THEY'RE WALKING.
WILL THERE BE SOME IMPACT TO THIS, TO THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS? YES.
SO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION THOUGH WAS REALLY ABOUT THE SECURITY CAMERAS IN, IN REGARDS TO IS THERE A WAY TO PROGRAM THOSE SECURITY CAMERAS SO THAT, THAT WHOEVER LIVES THERE, THEY CHOOSE TO WALK NAKED? IT'S NOT ON THE SECURITY CAMERA.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, JOE.
AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY, 'CAUSE WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH IT LAST WEEK, IS THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BLOCK OUT MASK MASK AREAS.
SO WHILE THEY CAN SEE 360 DEGREES, THEY CAN MASK OUT AREAS SO THAT THERE'S STILL PRIVACY AMONG THE NEIGHBORS.
LIKE, IT'S SO WORLD'S CHANGING, ISN'T IT? RIGHT.
CAN I ADD, CAN I PIGGYBACK ON, ON WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE GARAGE HAVING TO DO THEN WITH, YOU KNOW, CARS COMING OUT LIGHTS, RIGHT.
WE, I WOULD ENVISION THAT THIS, THIS BE A SELF-OPERATING, SO IT'S NOT, THERE'S ATTENDANT FREE.
SO WITH A PAID ACCESS REVENUE COLLECTION SYSTEM, YOU WOULD BE PAYING, UH, AT A KIOSK AND THUS THE GATES, ET CETERA, TO ALLOW EXIT AND ENTRANCE.
WELL, IF YOU PUT IT THERE, THEY'LL COME ADD THAT.
I THINK OUR ARCHITECT HAD A VERY GOOD IDEA YEARS AGO, UH, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS, WHEN WE IMPLANTING THE SPACE ON THIS DURING, DURING THE OFF PEAK HOURS OF OUR TOURIST SEASON, SOMETIMES WE HAVE EXTRA PARKING SPACE AVAILABLE.
AND WOULDN'T THIS SERVE AS A NICE PLACE TO PERHAPS HOLD A CRAFT FARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE UPPER TECH OR ONE THE DECK.
SO THAT IDEA CAME ABOUT, I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY GOOD ONE, BUT SO IT, IT CAN BE SERVED, UH, AS SOMETHING ELSE.
AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE AFFORDED WITH THE ACCESS CONTROL, YOU COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, LIMIT THE HOURS IN ESSENCE, NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO ENTER THE GARAGE, SAY AT 10:00 PM THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO LEAVE THE GARAGE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER TO DEAL WITH THAT.
AND YOU'RE GONNA MONITOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES A CAR WILL BE PARKED THERE AND BE LEFT THERE.
'CAUSE SOMETHING'S FISHY GOING ON.
BUT BEYOND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU'D HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY IF YOU SO DESIRED.
WELL, I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET INTO OPERATIONAL ISSUES, BUT I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT IT'S DEFINITELY A SECURITY ISSUE TO OPERATE AT 24 7.
UM, SO, WELL THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT ON THE RECORD.
ANYTHING ELSE? WILL, YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE ONE COMMENT AT LEAST.
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NO, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.I, I'M SURE IT WAS IN THE MATERIALS, UM, BUT I MAYBE DIDN'T BRING THAT PART WITH ME.
WHAT'S THE MAX HEADROOM? WHAT'S THE MAX HEIGHT FOR AUTO CENTER? UH, IT VARIES A BIT DEPENDING ON WHICH LEVEL.
UH, I WANNA SAY THAT WE HAVE SEVEN FOOT 10, UH, UH, IS OUR, IS IT'S REALLY AT THE RAMPS THAT DRIVE THAT.
UH, BUT WE HAVE ABOUT NINE FEET ON THE GROUND LEVEL WITH THE IDEA.
IF THAT WERE TO BE CONVERTED IN THE FUTURE, UH, YOU'D BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF CLEARANCE.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TRAILERS, RVS, OR ANYTHING? MM-HMM.
UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW, AND I HAVE TWO CARDS.
MR. DIETER, YOU'RE FIRST AND YOU'RE FOLLOWED BY JESSE ALEXANDER.
MY NAME'S RICHARD DIETER AND I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA ON SMITH ROAD.
IT'S ABOUT SEVEN HOUSES UP FROM THE PROPOSED PARKING GARAGE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE I TRAVEL TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK TO THIS SECTION OF TOWN, HORSE ROAD ISN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC THAT THAT PARKING GARAGE IS GOING TO CREATE.
I THINK THAT IF YOU DO THE VERY MOST MAXIMUM THING AT ALL AS FAR AS UPTOWN PARKING ON THAT SITE, JUST LEVEL IT PUT IN ASPHALT, GO AHEAD AND STRIPE IT AND PUT IN THE CONCRETE BEARS THAT WAY YOU'LL SAVE A LOT OF MONEY.
IT'LL CUT DOWN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THAT BIG PARKING GARAGE WOULD CAUSE AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY UNSIGHTLY BUILDING OR STRUCTURES.
BUT FOR ME TO GET OUTTA SMITH ROAD LAST SUMMER, THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE RIGHT NOW.
AND COMING INTO UPTOWN, COMING FROM THIS DIRECTION ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, I DON'T EVEN GO OUT BECAUSE SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND SUNDAY, THE TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY PAST MARIPOSA GRILL.
AND SOMETIMES EVEN UP PAST AIRPORT ROAD, THE TRAFFIC'S TERRIBLE.
WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO MANY TOURISTS THAT IS IN SEDONA ALREADY, THAT IF WE ACCOMMODATE THREE OR FOUR TIMES MORE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MOVE AT ALL.
AND IT WON'T BE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN EVEN LIVE.
IS MR. ALEXANDER IN THE ROOM? COME ON UP.
I'M SORRY, THE THE CLOCK IS NOT WORKING.
IT, IT DIDN'T START ON THE OTHER SPEAKER.
YOU COULD HAVE TALKED ALL NIGHT.
I WORK IN UPTOWN, LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF.
BEEN IN SEDONA SINCE 2001, UM, UPTOWN SINCE ABOUT 2005.
AND, UH, I REPRESENT, OH, AROUND 40 TENANTS, 150 PLUS EMPLOYEES THAT, UH, I COULD HAVE GOT HERE TODAY, BUT SPRING BREAK'S HAPPENING AND, AND, UH, WE DIDN'T WANNA REPEAT OF NOVEMBER'S MEETING AND WE NEVER GOT OUTTA HERE.
UM, BUT BASICALLY, OBVIOUSLY I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE STRUCTURE, I THINK FOR YOUR CONCERNS AS FAR AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING OF IT, I THINK IT PROVIDES A CONSOLIDATION OF PARKING SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT DRIVING ALL OVER.
UM, WHICH IS WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW.
WE CURRENTLY, AS FAR AS 24 HOURS A DAY, WE HAVE A PARKING LOT OVER PAST, UH, BY THE CHURCH, THE MAIN PUBLIC ONE.
UM, UPTOWN KIND OF ROLLS UP ITS STREETS AT NINE O'CLOCK EVERY DAY, EVERY NIGHT, EVEN IN SEASON RIGHT NOW.
UM, SUMMER MIGHT GO TILL NINE 30, BUT, UH, WE ALSO OPERATE CANYON BREEZE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS, UH, ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS THERE THAT, UH, EVEN THEN WE'RE CLOSED BY NINE 30.
AND SO, UM, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, UH, AS AN ISSUE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE PARKING ALONG THE STREETS.
I MEAN, I USED TO MANAGE LEBERTS AND ALL MY EMPLOYEES WOULD PARK IN VAN DEER AND SMITH AND ALL THOSE PLACES AND RUSH DOWN INTO, AS TOM GILMAN WOULD SAY, THE RATS WERE COMING DOWN TO THE SEWER
UM, I DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD SAY.
UH, MY EMPLOYEES WILL PARK WHEREVER IT'S CONVENIENT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD PARK IN THIS GARAGE, BUT I DO THINK THAT THEY WOULD GO OVER TO THE PUBLIC LOT BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR IT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING IS RIGHT NOW THEY KNOW WHEN THE CITY STOPS CHARGING FOR THE STREET PARKING, UM, ON STREET, WHEN THEY STOP, UH, ENFORCING IT, UM, THEY WILL PARK ON THE STREET IF YOU LET 'EM.
I'VE HAD TO FIRE PEOPLE FOR PARKING, MY OWN PARKING GARAGE, SONOMA PLAZA, BECAUSE I CATCH PEOPLE.
UM, SO I THINK IT'LL PUSH 'EM TO THE PUBLIC LOT, WHICH IS OVER BEHIND WAYSIDE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED CONSOLIDATION.
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NEED MORE WALKABILITY, WHICH IF WE GET 'EM OFF OF THOSE STREETS AND WE PUT SOME SIDEWALKS IN THERE, WHICH COUNCILOR FOLTZ IS ADAMANT ABOUT DOING, UM, I THINK THAT THAT WILL HELP THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT UP THERE.WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE PARKING LOTS AND CREATE SOME SEATING AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
MAYBE EVEN SOME GREEN SPACE, UM, THAT WE GET ALONG JORDAN ROAD AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE HERE ABOUT THAT? OH, POLICE, THAT SUBSTATION.
WE CURRENTLY, I, ONE OF THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS I OPERATE IS, IS SELMA PLAZA.
WE PROVIDE TO THE CITY AND THE, AND THE POLICE A FREE SPACE THAT THEY CAN USE AS A SUBSTATION.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT ADEQUATE.
THIS IS NEEDED FOR WHAT WE NEED IN UPTOWN AND IT'S FOR, FOR JUST A PRESENCE OF THEM UP THERE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD, UH, ALLOW THEM TO GROW.
UM, AND PUBLIC RESTROOMS. I THINK MAYBE THAT'S ONE WHERE YOU CLOSE AT CERTAIN TIMES, YOU DON'T OPERATE IT OVERNIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I HAVE THE ONLY PUBLIC RESTROOMS IN UPTOWN SEDONA ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S NONE ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET NOW.
THEY'RE ALL ON MY SIDE, THE EAST SIDE.
AND, UH, WE CLOSE 'EM AT 9 30, 10 O'CLOCK, JUST DEPENDING.
I HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS, SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND A MOTION PLEASE.
ANY DISCUSSION UP HERE? I HAVE DISCUSSION.
I WANT TO JUST REITERATE WHAT, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN SAID IN REGARDS TO ENCOURAGING PARKING TIMES, UH, CLOSING DOWN WHEN PEOPLE CAN COME INTO THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU, THE CITY TO CONSIDER THAT.
AND THEN ALSO TOO, UM, I WANNA SAY THAT I REALLY FIND IT'S INSPIRING TO KNOW THAT WE CAN TURN A PARKING GARAGE IN A WAY TO A LITTLE TOURIST DESTINATION TO SEE THE BEAUTIFUL VIEW THAT THAT LOT HAS.
SPENT SOME TIME THERE, HISTORY AND IT WAS JUST BEAUTIFUL.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT'S GONE IN AND, UM, AGAIN, JUST THINK ABOUT THOSE PARKING TIMES.
ANYONE ELSE? I'LL TAKE A MOTION, PLEASE.
I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 21 DASH 0 0 0 0, I BELIEVE THREE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE FACE.
WHAT? BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4 IN SATISFACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND COULD YOU STATE YOUR REASONS FOR, UH, YOUR VOTE? I'LL BE HAPPY TO.
UM, WHEN THIS STARTED, UH, AS THE COMMISSION, WE VOTED TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND I WAS, I VOTED FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF FOREST ROAD, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A COMMITMENT MADE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT WOULD BE BUILT IN AS RESIDENTIAL AND MANNER AS POSSIBLE.
UM, IN FACT, THE M PURPOSE OF AN M THREE ZONE, WE SAY IT IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE M THREE ZONE SHALL BE AT A WALKABLE SCALE THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WHILE I HAVE OTHER ISSUES WITH IT, WITH A DIFFERENT HAT THAT I WEAR AS A CITIZEN OF UPTOWN, RESIDENT OF UPTOWN, UM, FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING STANDPOINT, I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S TOO BIG.
IT'S OUT OF SCALE AND DOES NOT MEET THE COMMITMENT THAT WAS MADE.
I COULD SAY OTHER THINGS WITH MY OTHER HAT ON, BUT FOR P AND Z, THAT'S MM-HMM.
I'LL GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
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SIX, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE APRIL 2ND MEETING, SO, UM, LOOKING LIKE IT, THAT ONE WILL BE CANCELED.UM, SO THAT'S A SOMEWHAT SIGNIFICANT PROJECT.
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IF YOU WANNA START LOOKING AT THE PROJECT DOCUMENTS NOW.WE DID A SITE VISIT FOR THAT ONE BACK IN NOVEMBER.
I DON'T, THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED ANY OF THE, LIKE, BUILDING POSITIONS, MAYBE LIKE A COUPLE DEGREES HERE AND THERE.
SO I WASN'T ANTICIPATING NEEDING TO DO ANOTHER SITE VISIT.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
AND EVERYTHING'S UP ALREADY? UH, YEAH, THERE, YEAH.
WE HAVE TO DO THE, WE HAVE TO START THE NOTICING FOR IT THIS WEEK, UHHUH.
AND SO WHAT IS ONLINE RIGHT NOW IS THEIR KIND OF FINAL VERSION OF EVERYTHING.
IS THAT THE ONLY ITEM ON THE 16TH? YES.
IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE THE ONLY ITEM ON THE 16TH.
I THINK IT'LL, WE DON'T WANNA GO TO 11, RIGHT? MR. MES? I GUESS I CAN GET A HOTEL ROOM AGAIN.
THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH OF THOSE LATELY.
UH, THAT AGENDA ITEM AND IF, UH, THERE ARE NO, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? THERE ARE NO OBJECT WITH YOUR CONSENTS.