* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. [00:00:02] OKAY. [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER MARCH 26TH, 2024 AT FOUR 30. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE PLEDGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TWO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. WELL, PEOPLE ARE STILL DOING CARDS FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS. JUST TRY TO KEEP ANY KIND OF COMMUNICATION TO, UH, A L MOAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND. AND, UH, PLEASE JOIN ME, UH, JOIN ME NOW FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM [2. ROLL CALL] CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? YES. MAYOR JALO. PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. HERE. COUNCILOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNSELOR FOLTZ. HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNCILLOR KINSELLA. HERE. COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON HERE. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE ] ITEM THREE. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE A STAFF, THE COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE AN ITEM PULLED. UH, THAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE ONE ITEM ALREADY BEING PULLED. UH, SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION OF, UH, WE'LL DO, DO 'EM SEPARATE. SO, MOTION FOR, UH, A THROUGH CI, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH C. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN ITEM D, [3.d. AB 3041 Approval of the addition of nine (9) “timed pay parking” spaces along Jordan Road pursuant to Sedona City Code Section 10-20-030.G. ] UH, COUNCILLOR KINSELLA. UH, ASK THAT THIS ITEM BE PULLED. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES, I ASKED AS IF THIS BE PULLED FOR A BRIEF PRESENTATION. UM, THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FAMILIARITY WITH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAD BEEN OPPORTUNITY PREVIOUSLY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, SO I WANTED TO PULL THE, THE ITEM FOR THOSE REASONS. OKAY. SO GO FOR IT. THANKS, JOE. UH, HELLO, COUNSELORS. MAYOR BLO. UM, MY NAME IS JOHN HALL PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. THIS ONE THAT WAS PULLED, THIS IS, HAS TO DO WITH OUR PROPOSAL TO ADD NINE PARKING, PAID PARKING SPACES ALONG THE WEST CURB LINE OF JORDAN ROAD, BETWEEN, UH, MESQUITE AVENUE AND, UM, AND APPLE AVENUE. THIS AREA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE SHOWS THE GENERAL AREA OF UPTOWN. THIS IS, UH, 89 A AND THIS IS JORDAN ROAD HERE. THIS IS WHERE THE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO PUT THE, THE NEW PARKING SPACES. THIS HIGHLIGHTED AREA DOWN HERE ARE THE 13 SPACES THAT WE, UH, SACRIFICE AS A RESULT OF THE SIM ONE B PROJECT. YOU'LL REMEMBER THE, UH, UPTOWN NORTHBOUND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT IS JUST AT PRACTICAL COMPLETION RIGHT NOW. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S DOING SOME GOOD. SO I THINK IT WAS WORTH TO REDUCE THAT FRICTION. AND NOW WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, TO, TO, UH, REPLACE THEM WITH NINE SPACES. THERE'S TWO PARKING KIOSKS RIGHT THERE, UH, WHERE WE, UH, HAVE SACRIFICED THOSE 13. WE PLAN ON MOVING HIM UP, UH, TO JORDAN ROAD. UH, THIS WAS, UH, EXHIBIT A IN THE AB. UH, WHAT WE'RE PLAN PROPOSING TO DO IS, UH, DO PARALLEL PARKING. THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM IN THIS ROAD. IT'S A 40 FOOT ROAD, 20 FOOT ON ONE SIDE. WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO PUT A 12 FOOT DOWN, UH, SOUTHBOUND LANE ALONG WITH THAT. CURRENTLY MOST, THIS ENTIRE BLOCK IS YELLOW CURVED FOR UNLOADING AND LOADING. VERY MUCH UNDERUSED RIGHT NOW. UH, THIS, UH, HEY KURT. UH, IT'S VERY MUCH UNDERUSED. SO WE THOUGHT WE, THIS IS THE PERFECT SPOT, UH, TO, UH, TO PUT THOSE KIOSKS. UM, WE, UH, SURVEYED, UH, ALL OF THE BUSINESSES ALONG THERE AND, UH, I JUST HAVE A PHOTO HERE TOO, TO SHOW THE STREET SCAPE OF WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IT. IT'S A NICE STREET SCAPE WITH, UH, UH, FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AND, UH, INDENTATIONS FOR BENCHES AND TRASH CANS. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, WAYS THAT WE CAN PUT THAT, THOSE KIOSKS IN THERE WITHOUT, UH, ENCROACHING ON THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK. UM, [00:05:02] AGAIN, I, UH, WE DID SOME SURVEY OF ALL OF THE BUSINESSES ALONG THERE AND GOT POSITIVE RESPONSES, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE. UM, WE, UH, WE DID GET ONE, OR YOU COUNSELORS DID GET ONE EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT ASKING WHY, WHY WE DID NOT, UM, SURVEY RESIDENTS. WELL, WE DID NOT, WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT THEY WERE BEING ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THIS WHATSOEVER. UH, THAT, THAT SAME EMAIL SAID, WELL, YOU'D BE CAUSING SOME CONGESTION AND A, AND A PINCH POINT THERE, UH, IF WE PUT THEM IN. BUT I, AFTER CONSULTING, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT MY COLLEAGUES HERE IN PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR CONSULTANT TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, THE CONGESTION, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME GOOD LUCK AT TIMES, AS YOU KNOW IT IN THESE ROUNDABOUTS, THE Y ROUNDABOUT AND THE, UH, JORDAN ROUNDABOUT. THAT'S WHERE THE PINCH POINT IS. THIS WOULD NOT CAUSE ANY DECREASE IN THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS ROUNDABOUT. WHATEVER FRICTION WE MIGHT EXPERIENCE WITH THE, WITH THESE PARKING SPACES. SIMILARLY, UH, WITH PEOPLE CIRCLING AROUND UPTOWN LOOKING FOR PARKING SPACES, THESE NINE SPACES IS JUST GONNA REDUCE THAT BY NINE PEOPLE. 'CAUSE THERE'LL BE NINE EXTRA PARKING SPACES. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UH, YOU COULD KIND OF CONSIDER THIS AS A SOMEWHAT TEMPORARY, UM, PROPOSAL TO PUT THESE IN BECAUSE COME THE FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING OF 25, FISCAL YEAR IN JU IN JULY, WE'LL BE REASSESSING ALL THE NUMBERS FOR, FOR PARKING, THE PARKING GARAGE, ALL OF OUR FREE PARKING LOTS. AND THE PAY PARKING HERE, THAT'S ALL GONNA BE REASSESSED IN JULY. SO THAT'S ABOUT IT ON THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON THIS SIDE? LEMME JUST HOLD ON. I'LL BE GOOD. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL KINSELLA. THANK YOU. COULD YOU PULL BACK, I THINK YOU HAD A SHOT THAT GAVE US MORE OF THE AREA. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE, IF YOU COULD. OH, UM, WELL, THIS IS A STILL SHOT. UM, YOU CAN GO TO GIS. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ON THIS. UM, YEAH, WELL, THAT'S ALL. YEAH, IT'D BE BACK HERE. OKAY. SO JOHN, I'LL JUST CLARIFY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE YELLOW STRIP THERE ALONG JORDAN MM-HMM. THE PROPERTIES TO THE BACK OF THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT STREET IS, BUT THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL BACK THERE END OF THE YEAR OR WHATEVER. YEAH. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. SO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION BEGINS THE RESIDENTIAL AREA YEAH. TO THE WEST OF THAT AREA THERE. YEP. SO ONE BLOCK OVER TO THE WEST, PLEASE DON'T SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE, SO THANK YOU. IT'S DISTURBING. SO I, I, I, SINCE IT WAS A LOADING ZONE THAT WAS BEING USED THERE AND THERE'S TRAFFIC IN AND OUT, AND WE'VE LOST THE SPACES ON THE OTHER, THERE'S NO NET INCREASE TO TRAFFIC THAT WE THINK WILL BE GENERATED BY THE ADDITION OF THESE SPOTS. RIGHT. AND, UH, VERDE SHUFFLE DOES, UH, SHUTTLE DOES, UH, UNLOAD THERE AT THIS SOUTHWEST POINT RIGHT HERE WHERE MY MOUSE IS. MM-HMM. , WE WILL PROVI BE PROVIDING, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, 30 30 FEET OF RED CURB FOR, UH, SAFE SITE SITE DISTANCE, UH, FOR THE SAFE PEDESTRIAN FLOW AT THAT CROSSWALK THERE. AND THEN 40 FEET OF YELLOW CURB FOR, FOR UNLOADING AND LOADING. AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE UTILIZED CERTAINLY BY VERDE SHUFFLE SHUTTLE, BUT BY OTHERS AS WELL. SO WE'RE NOT TAKING THE LOADING, UNLOAD, UNLOADING ZONE AWAY. WE'RE JUST REDUCING IT. RIGHT NOW. IT'S THE ENTIRE BLOCK. AND, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA HAVE LOADING AND UNLOADING IN PARKING LOTS IN SERVING THEIR PROPERTIES. SO THE 40 FOOT REMAINING LOADING ZONE, UH, YOU'VE SURVEYED AND FEEL THAT THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR THE NEED. YES. AND I'VE SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT QUESTION TO ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE, UH, BUSINESSES THERE. OKAY. THERE'S SHOPS. NONE OF THEM HAVE HUGE, UH, HUGE, UH, SHIPMENTS. THANK YOU. OKAY. BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? SURE. SO THE 30 FOOT SITE DISTANCE YOU JUST REFERENCED, IS THAT CONSIDERED WHAT IS STANDARD FOR A 25 MILE AN HOUR ROAD? YES. OKAY. SO NO RISK TO PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ACCORDING TO STANDARD RULES OF STREET DESIGN AND, AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. RIGHT. [00:10:01] OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, THANKS MAYOR. YES. UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, WE'RE PLANNING TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF PARKING, COMPLETE ASSESSMENT OF UPTOWN PARKING. AND, UH, THE GARAGE IS HOW MANY YEARS AWAY? TWO YEARS AWAY, THREE YEARS AWAY, DEPENDING. SO THIS IS AN INTERIM SOLUTION? YES. AND WE'RE TAKING PARKING METERS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST. YES. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? MENTION TO THAT? THE, YEAH, THIS IS REPURPOSING. JOHN, CAN YOU SIT FORWARD? THIS IS REPURPOSING THOSE TWO, UH, KI PARKING KIOSKS THAT WE HAVE. AND THE REASON WHY THIS DOESN'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS BECAUSE THEY'RE SOLAR POWERED. SO THERE'S NO ELECTRICITY THAT WE HAVE TO RUN TO IT. IN FACT, WE COULD EVEN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE, IN THE, IN THE BOTTOM HOUSING OF IT THAT WE COULD CHOP THAT OFF AND PUT 'EM ON TOP OF THAT WALL THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU AT THE, AT THE STREET SCAPE. SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF PUTTING THAT IN WITH JUST IN-HOUSE STAFF AND, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, UH, FOR THE PARKING PAY, PARKING SIGN, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY, UH, SIMPLE ONE AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS SORT OF A NO BRAINER, AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT ON, ON CON CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE DO HAVE A CARD. SO WE'LL GO INTO PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT. UH, MARK BROOK, IF YOU'D STAND, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS, IF YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD RIGHT AWAY, UH, IF NOT, THEN MARK WILL BE OUR ONLY SPEAKER. SO MARK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, HOW IT WORKS. THREE MINUTES. NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. I'LL BE BRIEF. UH, MARK BROOKS. UH, SEDONA. UH, I'M, I'M KIND OF A NEUTRAL ON THIS, UH, PARKING CHANGE. I DID WANNA POINT OUT SOME THINGS. I THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE SHUTTLE LOADING ZONE'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING. I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST PERHAPS MAKING THAT LOADING ZONE A LITTLE LARGER BECAUSE MICRO TRANSIT WILL BE COMING INTO PLAY AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEM WAITING FOR THIS. UH, I APPRECIATE THE SAFE, UH, PEDESTRIAN SITE DISTANCES. UH, I NOTICED THERE'S PARKING NOW ON THE NORTH END NEAR APPLE. THAT IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE THAT MAKE THAT TURN A LOT. SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ADDED THAT. UH, THIRD THING, I THINK YOU SHOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER MOVING THE, UH, PAID PARKING NORTH OF APPLE ALL THE WAY TO SIBLEY. THERE'S A BUNCH OF FREE PARKING UP THERE THAT I THINK IF YOU HAVE TWO KIOSKS, YOU COULD COVER THEM BOTH. AND FINALLY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AS PART OF THE OVERALL MONITORING, THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE TO, UH, HAVE SPACE MONITORING AS A PILOT PROGRAM THROUGHOUT THIS AREA TO KNOW WHEN THESE SPACES ARE OCCUPIED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MARK. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO ONE MORE QUESTION. THIS IS RELATED TO MARK. I'D LIKE TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. SO, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, AT THIS TIME ON THIS ITEM. AND COUNCIL KINSELLA, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH. UH, TWO OF THE SPOTS ARE MARKED FOR 20 FEET, AND THE OTHER SPOTS ARE MARKED FOR 27 FEET. COULD YOU SAY WHY, PLEASE? WELL, THE ONES ON THE ENDS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE 20 FEET, BECAUSE IT'S, IF THERE'S NOBODY IN THE LOADING ZONE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BACK OUT IT INTO THAT AND THEY WON'T NEED TO, UH, SORT OF, UH, GO BACK AND FORTH. LIKE IF, UH, IN THE, IN THE INTER INTERIM ONES THERE, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THERE'D BE A, A CAR ON BOTH ENDS OF YOU. SO YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE TO, TO BACK UP AND GET OUT ON THE ENDS. THERE WOULD BE NOBODY PARKED IN FRONT OF YOU OR BEHIND YOU, DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE YOU'RE IN. THAT'S SORT OF STANDARD PROCEDURE THERE. THANK YOU. I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION. UH, JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. GO AHEAD. I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM D. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND YOU OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT'S UNANIMOUS. OKAY. ITEM FOUR APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE NONE. SUMMARY CURRENT [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] EVENTS, UH, BY MYSELF, THE, UH, CITY MANAGER OR THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR, YOUR COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. ANYTHING TODAY? NOTHING. OKAY. OH YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, NOW WE'LL [6. PUBLIC FORUM] HAVE PUBLIC FORUM PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, UH, SPEAKING TO THINGS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, ITEM SIX. SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM. WE HAVE, UH, ALEXIS PARKER, WE COME UP. AND THEN BEHIND ALEXIS IS MARK 10. BROOKE, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ON DECK. SO, ALEXIS, I KNOW IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME. WELCOME. THANK YOU. WE DON'T BITE. I DO. ALRIGHT, , SO YOU HAVE CLOCKS HERE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. DON'T YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND JUST YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. UM, I, MY NAME IS ALEXIS PARKER. [00:15:01] I LIVE OVER ON COFFEE POT. UM, MY ISSUE IS VANDALISM. THERE'S A LOT OF ABANDONED HOMES THAT THE BUMS ARE UTILIZING AS THEIR OWN PRIVATE METH PLACES. AND I'M SURPRISED THAT NONE OF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THAT. SO IT'S CAUSING WRAP ISSUES. THERE'S ONE OVER WHERE THE, IT'S CALLED THE ANGEL KITCHEN. THERE'S ONE IN THE ANGEL KITCHEN OVERSIGHT IS THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT. AND THE PEOPLE WERE THERE VANDALIZING THE PROPERTY SAYING IT'S A, A GRAND GRANDEUR THING, BUT NOW THEY HAVE RATS, WHICH IS GOING TO, THOSE RATS ARE GONNA MULTIPLY AND GO INTO THE BUSINESSES. SO UNLESS WE GET THE VANDALISM AND, AND UNDER CONTROL, UH, ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THESE BUILDINGS THAT WE DO, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE MORE HIDEOUTS. JUST BRINGING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE EVEN FOR YOUR FIRST TIME THAT YOU WANTED TO COME UP. WELL, I'M, I LIVE HERE, SO I WOULD LIKE A, A NICE PLACE TO LIVE, YOU KNOW. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO MARK, UH, BROOK, AND THEN MARK WOULD BE THE LAST SPEAKER AGAIN, IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK TO FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT, NOW IS A TIME. UH, GO FOR IT. MARK. UH, MARK BROOK SEDONA. UH, I'M HERE, UH, TO SPEAK ABOUT THE, UH, OAK CREEK, UH, HERITAGE HOTEL. I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT BEFORE, UH, COUNCIL, BUT IT WILL BE BEFORE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING IN THE NEXT MONTH. UH, I'VE GOT A PETITION WITH ABOUT 350 NAMES IN OPPOSITION TO THAT. AND THE REASON, UH, FOR THE OPPOSITION IS IT'S ADDING 70 MORE ROOMS, UH, TO THE CITY OF SEDONA THAT PROBABLY DOES NOT NEED 70 MORE ROOMS OF, UH, UH, LODGING. ALSO A 4,600 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT, 200 AND, UH, 2,500, UH, SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR SEATING, SPA MEETING ROOM, AND SO FORTH. CONCERNS ARE, IT'S MORE LODGING THAT WE DON'T REQUIRE. UH, IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON LOCAL WORKFORCE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE HOUSING FOR. UH, THE CFA IS PRETTY CLEAR IN SAYING THAT CABINS OR COTTAGES WOULD BE ALLOWED. UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED ARE NOT CABBAGES, CABBAGES, UH, NOT COTTAGES OR CABINS. UH, THEY ARE CLEARLY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THEY'RE LARGE BUILDINGS, TWO STORY BUILDINGS WITH SUITES IN THEM. IT ALSO DOES NOT, UH, IN MY OPINION, UH, PRESERVE OAK CREEK. I THINK, UH, THE COMMUNITY PLAN CALLS FOR TRYING TO, UH, UH, PRESERVE THE OAK CREEK AS A SPECIAL ENVIRONMENT HERE IN ARIZONA. UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS THESE PROPERTIES NOT DEVELOPED AS A HOTEL, WHICH WE DON'T NEED, BUT AS A CONSERVATION PROPERTY. SO WE CAN TAKE THAT, UH, ECOLOGICAL ZONE OUT OF DEVELOPMENT. UH, IT ALSO, UH, WOULD IMPACT, UH, SCH NIBLEY ROAD, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE F WHICH IS THE WORST. AND IT WOULD, AND RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE WAITING UP TO 30 MINUTES JUST TO EXIT SNUBBY ROAD INTO THE ROUNDABOUT. THIS WOULD MAKE IT F MINUS, AND WE DON'T NEED THAT IN SEDONA. SO, UH, I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. I'M HOPING THAT THE, UH, UH, PETITION FINDS ITS WAY TO THE, UH, PACKET, UH, FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. AND I HOPE PEOPLE IN SEDONA THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THIS WILL COME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING TO OPPOSE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARK. ALRIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER PEOPLE INTERESTED WITH CARDS, YOU HAVE A CARD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL ME, MA'AM. YES, I DO. IS THIS FOR JUST THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR ANOTHER TOPIC? UH, WOULD YOU RATHER I WAIT UNTIL I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO, TO, TO SPEAK THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, UH, UH, 3 0 3 5. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU, YOU'LL GO, YOU'LL GO WITH THE REST FOR THE HOTEL, RIGHT? RIGHT. NOT NOW. OKAY. BUT THANKS FOR CHECKING. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU WERE HEARD. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA CLOSE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM, UH, PROCLAMATIONS RECOGNITION. SORRY, MAYOR. EXCUSE ME. DID I MISS SOMETHING? DO WE HAVE A NO. CAN WE DO A STAFF REFERRAL TO THE FIRST ISSUE THAT SPOKE TODAY? CAN SHE HAVE A STAFF CONTACT? OH, FOR MARK AND THE PETITION? NO, THE FIRST SPEAKER. OH, THIS. WELL, SHE'S GONNA BE SPEAKING ON THE, THE, NO, NO, NO, NO. FOR THE VANDALISM. OH, OH, OH. I'M SORRY. I'M ALREADY, YEP. TWO STEPS AHEAD. YEP. SURE. SO, UH, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? YEAH, I, I WONDER IF SOMEONE ON STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE FIRST SPEAKER, RIGHT. FOR ALEXIS, YOU STILL HERE? HERE? OKAY. IF WE HAVE HER CONTACT INFORMATION ON THE SPEAKER CARD, WE CAN READ. WE DO. SO WE, YEAH. THANK YOU, PETE. UH, YOUR NUMBER'S ON HERE. WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE CONTACT YOU ABOUT THAT INFORMATION. ACTUALLY, YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE, BUT WE, WE HAVE YOUR NUMBER. THAT'S WHY YOU, WE ASK EVERYBODY. I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE. YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE. I'M SORRY. OKAY. THERE'S NO MICROPHONE OUT THERE EITHER, SO, SO, OKAY. THANKS PETE. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. UM, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS ARE IN NONE. SO REGULAR BUSINESS. UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A [8.c. AB 2952 Discussion/possible action regarding the approval of a contract for services with the Sedona Chamber of Commerce in the amount of $347,093 for the operations of the Visitor Center for fiscal year 2025, subject to approval of a written contract by the City Attorney.] LITTLE, UH, CHANGE UP HERE, UH, TO SPEEDY, UH, EXPEDITE SOME OF THE ITEMS. SO ITEMS C UH, I'M GONNA MOVE THAT UP, WHICH [00:20:01] IS ITEM, UH, AB 29 52, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APP APPRO, UH, APPROVAL FOR SERVICES FOR THE SONOMA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. UH, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT UP. AND IF THE COUNCIL IS IN AGREEMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THAT ITEM FOR TODAY AND MOVE IT TO, UH, UH, APRIL 9TH. EVIDENTLY, THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE PROVIDED AT THAT TIME, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION. IS THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL IN AGREEMENT FOR THAT? SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, TABLE THAT ITEM? DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? WE HAVE NO CARDS AT ALL. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. I, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE ITEM, UM, EIGHT C. EIGHT C, UH, NO, IT'S D SORRY. NO, C NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. THE FIRST TIME. C WHERE? CC, I'M SORRY. EIGHT CI DO . WE ALSO HAVE GLASSES ON TODAY, SO I, OKAY. A SECOND FOR THAT. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OKAY. THAT WILL BE MOVED TO, UH, APRIL 9TH. OKAY. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA MOVE UP, [8.d. AB 3042 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a 25-year Franchise Agreement with Arizona Water Company to be referred to the voters at the July 30, 2024 Primary Election. ] UH, ITEM D. SO THAT'S, UH, AB 30 30 42. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF A 25 YEAR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY TO BE, UH, REFERRED TO THE VOTERS ON THE JULY 30TH, 2024 PRIMARY ELECTION. SO, JOHN, UH, DOES JOHN NEED TO COME UP COURT? HE, HE DOES NOT. MAYOR, UH, HE'S JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN CASE COUNSEL HAD ANY. OKAY. WRONG ONE. SORRY. IS THAT WATER FRANCHISE? YEAH. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS JUST JUST A CONTINUATION OF, UH, A PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM THAT OCCURRED LAST MONTH, OR ACTUALLY IN JANUARY WHEN COUNCIL, UH, CALLED THE ELECTION FOR THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. UM, THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE, IT'LL GO ON THE PRIMARY ELECTION THAT'S NOW GONNA BE HELD ON JULY 30TH. UH, THE AGREEMENT, UH, WASN'T QUITE READY AT THAT TIME WHEN WE NEEDED TO CALL THE ELECTION. SO THE AGREEMENT IS HERE BEFORE COUNCIL NOW TO, UH, APPROVE OR, OR REALLY TO REFER TO THE VOTERS FOR APPROVAL. UM, THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT REQUIRES, UH, VOTERS TO APPROVE IT. THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT IS SET UP TO LAST 25 YEARS. UH, THE LAST AGREEMENT WAS WITH, UH, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY WAS IN 1999 AND WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. THEN. UH, THE NEW AGREEMENT IS, HAS QUITE A FEW CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL ONE, WHICH IS, UH, SHORTER, NOT QUITE AS DETAILED, UH, BUT THE, THE GENERAL SUBJECT, UH, THE FRANCHISE FEE, A LOT OF IT REMAINS THE SAME. SO, UNLESS THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I DIDN'T HAVE A, A SET PRESENTATION ON THIS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADEAS? UH, COUNCILOR FERMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JOHN, I WILL ASK YOU TO COME ON UP. I THINK YOU'RE GONNA END UP ANSWERING THIS QUESTION. APPRECIATE THAT, KURT, AND YOU AND I HAVE SPOKE ABOUT THIS. I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT AND I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I SET THE CONTEXT RIGHT. JOHN, YOU AND I WORK ON TWO REGIONAL WATER BOARDS TOGETHER, AND I THINK WE GOT A GREAT COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP. EVERY TIME I TALK TO STAFF, I THINK ARIZONA WATER COMPANY IS WORKING WELL WITH THE CITY. APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, AND I THINK THAT YOUR CREWS ALL BELIEVE THAT I WORK FOR ARIZONA WATER BECAUSE I TALKED TO 'EM SO MANY TIMES, . AND SO THE QUESTION THAT I WANNA ASK THOUGH IS THAT THE CONTEXT IS THESE AGREEMENTS REALLY ONLY COME UP IN FRONT OF US EVERY 25 YEARS. AND SO IT'S GONNA FAR EXCEED THE LENGTH THAT YOU AND I WILL BE WORKING ON WATER ISSUES IN THIS TOWN. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, GIVEN THE RISING IMPORTANCE OF WATER, DROUGHT, WATER SUPPLY, WATER QUALITY WATER USE IN ALL OF THE COUNTRY, ARIZONA, MAYBE IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE OF THE WESTERN DROUGHT ISSUES, I NOTICED IN THE AGREEMENT THERE'S REALLY NO, UH, AGREEMENT BETWEEN US ABOUT DATA SHARING. AND I THINK DATA SHARING IS REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY AROUND WATER USE AND WATER QUALITY AND WELL LEVELS. AND, UH, IF WE MOVE TOWARDS ANY TYPE OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF BILLING FOR OUR SEWER USE, WHICH MIGHT BE WATER BASED BILLING, PERHAPS WE NEED THAT DATA FROM YOU GUYS. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN COOPERATIVE WITH THE CITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT AS I SAID, 25 YEARS IS A LONG TIME, AND THERE'LL BE OTHER PEOPLE HERE MAKING THESE DECISIONS. AND MAYBE A COOPERATIVE SHARING WON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE AS MAYBE EVEN AS WATER STRESS CONTINUES. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN AS TO WHY WE CAN'T HAVE SOME TYPE OF BETTER QUALIFIED DATA SHARING AGREEMENT IN THIS FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. AND KURT, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL. WELL, I'LL, I'LL START. SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED OF ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. UM, THEY REITERATED THAT THEY HAVE [00:25:01] ALWAYS SHARED ANY INFORMATION WITH THE CITY THAT THE CITY'S REQUESTED AND, AND WILL DO SO AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. UH, THEY ALSO EXPRESSED THAT THEY HAVE THAT TYPE OF AGREEMENT WHERE THEY DO SHARE THAT DATA WITH OTHER CITIES. UH, THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS THE CITY OF BUCKEYE, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE AN AREA, UH, THAT ARIZONA WATER COMPANY PROVIDES WATER, BUT THE CITY PROVIDES, UH, WASTEWATER SERVICES AND THEY'RE ABLE TO, UM, THEY CAN DO BILLING BASED ON THE WATER. UH, AND THEY, THEY CAN ALSO SHUT OFF THE WATER ACCOUNT. ARIZONA WATER COMPANY WILL SHUT OFF THEIR WATER SERVICES IF THE, THE UTILITY CUSTOMERS AREN'T PAYING THE CITY, UH, WASTEWATER BILL. SO THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS. UH, THOSE DON'T, THEY, THEY EXPRESS, AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THOSE DON'T BELONG IN THE, IN THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. UM, THAT THAT TYPE OF DATA SHARING IS SPECIFIC TO, UH, DIFFERENT USES. THIS IS JUST TO ALLOW THEM TO BE IN THE, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, THAT'S WHAT THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT IS FOR. AND SO THOSE AGREEMENTS ARE IN PLACE IN OTHER PLACES. HOW, HOW, IF SOMEONE WERE TO NOT COOPERATE, HOW, HOW ARE THOSE ENFORCED IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE 25 YEAR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT? SO THEY HAVE ALWAYS COOPERATED. UM, AND THAT'S NOT THERE, THERE, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES REALLY. THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT IS FOR WIDE USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, AND DATA SHARING SO THAT THE CITY COULD ENFORCE ITS BILLING OR WASTEWATER OR CHANGE ITS BILLING STRUCTURE IS A, A SEPARATE ISSUE AS, AS HOW ARIZONA WATER COMPANY SEES IT. OKAY. JUST IF PETE'S DONE YET. PETE, ARE YOU DONE? IT'S A FOLLOW UP. IF IT'S A FOLLOW UP, THAT'S FINE. OKAY, SURE. IS THE DATA SHARING FOR BUCKEYE, UM, PURSUANT TO ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT? A SEPARATE AGREEMENT? YES. A SEPARATE AGREEMENT. SO, SO PERHAPS WE COULD DIRECT STAFF TO A CHIEF STAFF TO, AND WE CAN, AND THEY'VE EXPRESSED THEY'RE WILLING TO DO, ENTER INTO THAT SEPARATE AGREEMENT. WONDERFUL. THEY JUST DON'T WANT IT IN THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. WE GO. SO, PERFECT. JOHN, PLEASE. YEAH. UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MY NAME'S JOHN SNICKERS. I'M THE DIVISION MANAGER FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND I LIVE IN CORNFIELD. UM, YES, THERE IS A MECHANISM IN PLACE AND, AND I, I AM ASKED THAT QUESTION PROBABLY ANNUALLY ABOUT SPECIFIC DATA. MOST DATA WE ALREADY PROVIDE OUTSIDE OF AN AGREEMENT, AND WE HAVE FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. UM, THE, THE MECHANISM JUST NEEDS TO BE AN AGREEMENT FORMULATED BETWEEN THE CITY OF SEDONA AND ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, WHICH IS, UH, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE DO IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. AND, AND TO, UM, KURT'S POINT, THE AGREEMENT IS GEARED TOWARDS THE, UM, RIGHT OF WAY, UH, UM, AREAS OF THE CITY AND, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF RUNNING THE WATER SYSTEM. AND I THINK THAT THE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE NATURE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS, UM, ARE, ARE FLUID AND THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES. AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DIFFERENT, GET, GET TRAPPED IN A 25 YEAR AGREEMENT WHEN WE COULD AMEND A REGULAR AGREEMENT OVER TWO YEARS, ONE YEAR, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, HOWEVER LONG WE NEED TO, UM, UPDATE CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY. GREAT. YEAH. WELL, I'M, I'M PLEASED TO NOW UNDERSTAND, PERHAPS I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN ALTERNATIVE MECHANISM FOR US TO USE. AND SO HOW WOULD WE, DO WE NEED TO DIRECT STAFF TO PURSUE THAT AGREEMENT? SO IT'S BEEN AN OPTION. IT'S JUST SO STAFF HASN'T SEEN THEY NEED TO PRESENT THIS OPTION TO CITY COUNCIL OR PURSUE IT YET, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF WASTEWATER BILLING, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS. UM, PEOPLE PAY THEIR WASTEWATER BILLS, UH, GENERALLY, UM, OR THOSE ARE RESOLVED THROUGH PROPERTY SALES. UH, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION STAFF CAN PURSUE IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED. INTERESTING. AND, AND JUST ONE LAST THING. THE RECENTLY THE INTEGRATED DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH STAFF ON, A LOT OF INFORMATION ALONG THOSE LINES IS COMING OUT OF THAT PROGRAM ALONE. YEAH. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON. SO COULD WE JUST DO THAT HERE? YEAH, YEAH. COUNSEL CAN DISCUSS IT THAT'S REASONABLY RELATED TO THIS TOPIC, SO COUNSEL COULD DISCUSS IT IF THEY'RE INTERESTED. I'M FOR IT. I, FOR DIRECTING STAFF C, COULD WE GET CLARIFICATION DIRECTING STAFF FOR WHAT TO ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT FOR DATA SHARING SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DO FOR OTHER JURISDICTIONS LIKE BUCKEYE? FOR FOR WHAT PURPOSE? MAY, MAY I ASK, I JUST TO HAVE IT. I MEAN, WE COULD, IT'S TO THAT. OKAY. JESSICA, UH, UH, KATHY. OKAY. FROM WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, KURT, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THERE. THIS WOULD BE OPEN TO US AT ANY TIME, AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF A NEED AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF INFORMATION SHARING. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD JUST HOLD FOR FUTURE? IF IT EVER CAME UP IT, WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE [00:30:01] ON THIS? SO I'D DEFER A LITTLE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND PERHAPS WASTEWATER, BUT, BUT YES, STAFF HAS NOT SEEN THE NEED TO PURSUE THIS AT THIS POINT. ANY INFORMATION WE'VE NEEDED FROM ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, THEY'VE SHARED WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AS WE'VE NEEDED IT. KAREN, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT? I THINK THAT THAT'S TRUE. UM, IF THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT SORT OF TRANSITION WHAT HAPPENS OVER TIME AND THERE'S A REASON TO MEMORIALIZE SOMETHING, I THINK WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE LIST OF, OF TO-DOS AND THINGS TO, TO PURSUE IF THERE'S A STANDARDIZED AGREEMENT AND IT'S SIMPLE ENOUGH TO, TO JUST MEMORIALIZE THAT, THAT WAY. OKAY. COUNCILOR FULTZ. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHEN COUNCILOR FURMAN BROUGHT UP HIS INITIAL SET OF QUESTIONS, IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT WHETHER THIS WOULD BE USED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE BILLING METHOD FOR SEWER, UH, OR FOR DELINQUENT BILLING. IT ALSO WAS ABOUT, UH, CONSERVATION USAGE, WATER QUALITY. THOSE THINGS ARE BEYOND WHAT THIS CONVERSATION JUST STARTED TO NARROW IN ON. SO I THINK FOR THE REASONS THAT COUNCILOR FURMAN INITIALLY, UH, BROUGHT UP, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO SECURE A DATA SHARING AGREEMENT FOR THE PURPOSES OF BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND, USE QUALITY, ET CETERA OF WATER HERE IN SEDONA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANKS, MAYOR. I AGREE. JOHN, YOU MAY NOT BE HERE. PETE, YOU WON'T BE HERE. ALREADY SAID, UH, STAFF MAY NOT BE HERE. THERE'S THINGS THAT WE SAY TODAY AND MAYBE WON'T HAPPEN WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT, EVEN THOUGH OUR WORKING RELATIONSHIP DOESN'T REQUIRE ONE. NOW, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO ONE MM-HMM. , IF YOU'RE OPEN TO THAT, THEN I, I CAN HELP WITH THAT AGREEMENT OUT OUTSIDE OF THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. MM-HMM? , I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE WE TRAP THAT, THAT LANGUAGE. OKAY. RIGHT. A SEPARATE AGREEMENT. SO, BUT I, I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT. OKAY. KURT, IS THAT OKAY TO DO NOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUTSIDE THE, UH, THE AGENDA? AGENDA? IT'S REASONABLY RELATED AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL PURSUE, IT'S JUST DIRECTION FROM, FROM STAFF. IT WON'T BE A VOTE ON THAT. OKAY. AND WE CAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT, MELISSA. OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THEN WE NEED, UH, OH, I HAVE TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, JOE, ANY COURTS? 'CAUSE IT, THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM, SO NO, NO CARDS. OKAY. SO THEN, SO DO WE, SO I MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR? YES, PLEASE. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ADDITION OF THE DESCRIBED, SORRY, I'M ON THE WRONG PAGE. THAT'S WHY I'M NOT ON THAT PAGE. THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO DO IT. . SOMEBODY TELL ME THE PAGE NUMBER 180 6. 180 6. 180 6 OF PACKET TWO. OF PACKET TWO. I COULD, THAT'S WHY I CAN'T FIND IT. OR I CAN MAKE THE MOTION IF YOU LIKE. PLEASE DO. PLEASE, PLEASE. YES, I HAVE IT TO, I I MOTION YOU THOUGHT IT WAS ME. I, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE VOTERS AT THE JULY 30, 20, 24 PRIMARY ELECTION. I SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE. OKAY, THANK YOU, JOHN. OKAY, NOW WE'RE GOOD. MAYBE WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. . OKAY. ITEM A REGULAR [8.a. AB 3035 Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Zone Change (ZC) to allow for development of a 110-room hotel and 40- unit multifamily housing project (Village at Saddlerock Crossing) at 1259 & 1335 W State Route 89A; 82 & 86 Saddlerock Circle; and 105 Elk Road. The property is within the Soldiers Pass Community Focus Area, is ±6.3 acres, and is located south of the intersection of W State Route 89A and Soldiers Pass Road between Saddlerock Circle and Elk Road. APN: 408-26-004B, 408-26-004C, 408-26-009C, 408-26-009C, 408-26- 010, 408-26-011, 408-26-012, 408-26-013, 408-26-014, 408-26-086A, 408-26-088. The requested Zone Change is from CO (Commercial) and RM-2 (Medium-High Density Multifamily) to L (Lodging). Case Number: PZ19-00005 (ZC, DEV) Owner/Applicant: The Baney Corporation (Curt Baney) Authorized Representative: Withey Morris Baugh, PLC (Jason Morris and Benjamin Tate).] BUSINESS AB 30 35 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF HIS OWN CHANGE. CC TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF 110 ROOM HOTEL AND 40 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING PROJECT CALLED THE VILLAGE OF SADDLE ROCK CROSSING AT 1259 AND 1335 WEST, SOUTH, SOUTH STATE, ROUTE 89, A 82 AND 86 SOUTH ROCK CIRCLE AND 1 0 5 ELK ROAD. THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE SOLDIER PASS COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA, WHICH IS, UH, PLUS A MILE 6.3 ACRES, AND IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST OUT WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A AND SOLDIER PASS ROAD BETWEEN SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND ELK ROAD. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, A PN 4 0 8 26 0 0 4 B, 4 0 8, UH, 28 DASH 0 0 4 C, ET CETERA, IN THE, IN THE 26 0 8 DASH 26. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THE, THE REQUEST, UH, ZONE CHANGE IS FROM, UH, FROM COMMERCIAL TO RM TWO, UH, MEDIUM, HIGH LEVEL, UH, DENSITY. DID I GET THAT WRONG? YES. OKAY. HOLD ON LINE, TELL ME. OKAY. OKAY. UH, TWO L LODGING, CASE NUMBER PZ ONE NINE DASH 0 0 5 Z-C-D-E-V. UH, OWNER APPLICANT, THE BANEY CORPORATION, [00:35:01] KURT BANEY, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE, UH, WHITNEY MORRIS, UH, PLC, JASON MORRIS, AND BENJAMIN TATE PRESENTING. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK BEFORE WE GET STARTED IS THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A LONG ITEM, AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT IN CARDS TO SPEAK AND WE WANT TO HEAR EVERYBODY SPEAK, BUT IT TAKES TIME TO GET TO THAT PORTION OF THE, THE MEETING. UH, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. THE COUNCIL WILL BE ASKING QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND ALL THE CARDS. EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK, AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, AND THEN WE'LL, UH, GIVE EITHER MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT IT WILL TAKE QUITE SOME TIME, COUPLE OF HOURS. SO I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO BE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY COULD SPEAK AND LEAVE. WE HAVE TO GET TO THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING. SO JUST BEAR WITH US PLEASE AND LET'S GET STARTED. SO, CARRIE, YOU WANT TO, UH, START THE, UH, THE, UM, PRESENTATION? YES. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE HAD A LOT OF PACKET MATERIALS THAT I'M ASSUMING I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT YOU'VE READ THROUGH THEM. UM, SO WE WILL GO THROUGH VERY QUICKLY MY PRESENTATION. UM, BUT WE ARE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS AND AVAILABLE. SO IF YOU HAVE CLARIFICATIONS ON ANYTHING, PLEASE LET US KNOW. BUT WE'RE KIND OF STARTING THIS ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU'VE READ THROUGH YOUR PACKET MATERIALS. UM, SO THIS PROPERTY IS 11 SEPARATE PROPERTIES JUST AROUND THE SOLDIERS PASS ROAD 89 A INTERSECTION. UM, THE BANEY CORPORATION OWNS THESE PROPERTIES, AND THEY ARE, IT'S ABOUT 6.36 ACRES TOTAL. THE PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY VACANT. THEY PREVIOUS HAD THE BIDS NURSERY ON THEM. UM, JUST A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE PROPERTY. THERE WERE, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE SEPARATE APPLICATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. ONE STARTED IN 2014 AND ONE IN 2016. UM, ALL BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS INCLUDED LODGING, RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL COMPONENTS, AND BOTH WERE WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THE FORMAL PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, THE CURRENT APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN APRIL OF 2019 AND HAD THAT SAME MIX OF LODGING, RESIDENTIAL, AND RETAIL USES AT THE TIME. UM, BASED ON KIND OF THE FEEDBACK WE WERE GETTING FROM THE COMMUNITY STAFF DID RECOMMEND TO THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL. AND SO THEN THERE WAS A CHANGE, UM, IN THAT APPLICATION TO WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH, UM, THE PROPOSAL BEING FOR 110 LODGING UNITS AND 40 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS. UM, THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP OF THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, ALL OF THESE SEPARATE PROPERTIES, THE, THE PINK PINK BOXES ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT USED TO BE ON THE PROPERTY. IT IS CURRENTLY VACANT. UM, YOU HAVE 89 A KIND OF RUNNING THROUGH THE STREET. THE SITE HERE OR THE SCREEN HERE, THIS IS A SOLDIER'S PASS ROAD COMING IN HERE, RIGHT INTO THE CENTER OF THE SITE. AERIAL MAP SHOWS THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE GONE, AND THAT IS THE PROPERTY THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. THE LANDUS DESIGNATIONS CURRENTLY ON THESE PROPERTIES ARE COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, IN BOTH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND IN THE ZONING. THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UM, OCCUPIES THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE WITH A MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATION BEING ABOUT AN ACRE IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO WITHIN THE SOLDIER'S PAST COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA. THIS PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL OF 2016, AND MOST RECENTLY AMENDED IN AUGUST OF 2020. THOSE 20, OR SORRY, 2022. UM, THE 2022 AMENDMENTS DID REPLACE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LODGING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. AND AGAIN, THE CURRENT ZONING IS COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THE PROPOSED ZONING WITH THIS APPLICATION IS LODGING. THIS IS A ZONING MAP THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE, THE PROPERTY DOWN HERE IN OUTLINED IN PINK WITH THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS ALONG, UM, IN THE VICINITY. THE BLUE IS OTHER COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THE RED IS OTHER LODGING ZONING. SO THIS PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET IS ZONED LODGING. THERE IS NO LODGING CONSTRUCTED ON THAT PROPERTY. THAT IS THE CHASE BANK AND SWAN PROPERTY. UH, BUT THEN YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE COMMERCIAL ALONG THE, UM, THE HIGHWAY WITH VARIOUS OTHER COLORS THAT ARE EITHER MIXED USE OR MULTIFAMILY. MOVING TO SINGLE FAMILY FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ROAD FROM 89 A ZOOMS IN A LITTLE MORE. AND SO YOU SEE IN THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE THAT APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL IN THE, OR THE MULTI-FAMILY [00:40:01] IN BOTH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE ZONING. THE SITE PLAN BEING PROPOSED, UM, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN. UM, THE MAIN COMPONENTS OF THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE KINDA ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE. YOU HAVE THE HOTEL COMPONENT, WHICH IS THAT 110 LODGING UNITS, UM, INCLUDING RESTAURANT TO MEETING SPACE AND OTHER HOTEL AMENITIES. THERE ARE 40 MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SIDE ON THE NORTH, NORTH AND SOUTH HERE. UM, THE CURRENT APPLICATION DID, UM, SHOWS THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT 28 OF THESE BDD RESTRICTED FOR AFFORDABILITY AND ALL WOULD BE RESTRICTED FOR LONG-TERM RENTAL. UM, IN THE, IN BETWEEN THE TWO MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS OR THE MULTIFAMILY SECTIONS, IS A TWO STORY PARKING STRUCTURE WITH ONE STORY BEING UNDERGROUND THAT CONTAINS THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE, UM, A CONNECTION, A NEW CONNECTOR ROAD FROM, UH, SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, WHICH IS TO THE WEST OF THE PROJECT SITE OUT TO THE SOLDIERS' PASS ROAD LIGHT. MM-HMM, . UM, SO THIS IS THE AREA OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT SHOWN IN CONTEXT WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE THAT. UM, AND AGAIN, ZOOMING INTO HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT FITS IN WITH THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT. JUST TO GO REALLY QUICKLY THROUGH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THIS WOULD BE THE LOBBY BUILDING AND WHAT THEY ARE CALLING THE TREE HOUSE SUITES. UM, THIS IS AN, THE FOUR SIDES OF THE ELEVATION OF THE LODGING BUILDINGS. THERE'S THREE OF THESE KIND OF ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE MULTIFAMILY. THIS IS THE NORTHERN MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. SO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UM, IS CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THE ZONING IS CONSIDERED ULTIMATELY BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE ZONE CHANGE PORTION OF THE APPLICATION. THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE SOLDIERS' PAST CFA. YOU CAN SEE THE PLANNING BOUNDARY HERE ON THE SCREEN. THE VISION OF THE SOLDIERS' PAST CFA PLAN IS A DYNAMIC AND WALKABLE CENTER OF ACTIVITY FOR NEIGHBORS, VISITORS, AND BUSINESSES. THE ALREADY DIVERSE MIX OF LAND USES WILL BE ENHANCED BY NEW DEVELOPMENT. OH, WILL BE ENHANCED AND NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLEMENT EXISTING LAND USES. PEOPLE WILL WALK, BIKE, AND USE TRANSIT MORE AS IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DESIGNED WITH PEOPLE IN MIND BY APPROVING CONNECTIVITY, SAFETY, AND CONVENIENCE. AND, UM, THE SOLDIERS PASS BASED ON THAT VISION. THE SOLDIERS PAST C OF A HAS OBJECTIVES REGARDING LAND USE, HOUSING DIVERSITY, TRAFFIC FLOW AND CONNECTIVITY, WALKING AND BIKE IMPROVEMENTS, AND SENSE OF COMMUNITY. AND AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2016 AND AMENDED IN 2022. AND THE FULL EVALUATION OR STAFF'S FULL EVALUATION OF THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH YOUR AGENDA BILL. AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT. UM, ZONE CHANGES ARE ALSO, UM, REVIEWED FOR ADHERENCE OR, AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND OTHER ADOPTED PLANS. UM, AGAIN, THE FULL EVALUATION IS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND AGENDA. BILL, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, BUT SOME OF THE PLANS THAT WE LOOKED AT ARE THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. UM, SO YEAH, WITHOUT GETTING INTO SUPER DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THAT WAS, UM, THE, THE EVALUATION WAS THERE AND WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. UM, WE DIDN'T WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THAT WE MARK OFF SOME AREAS AS PARTIALLY COMPLIANT, FULLY COMPLIANT OR NOT COMPLIANT. AND SO THERE'S KIND OF A SLIDING SCALE THERE. UM, I THINK AS WE SAID IN THE AGENDA, BILL, THE AREAS THAT ARE, THEY NEED COMPLIANCE WITH A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO BE ADDRESSED ARE MARKED AS PARTIALLY COMPLIANT. UM, EVEN IF BY ADHERING TO A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THEY BECOME FULLY COMPLIANT. SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR RANKING SYSTEM, HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE AS WELL. UM, THE, THE PROJECT IS ALSO EVALUATED FOR ADHERENCE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT IS GENERALLY ADDRESSED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PORTION OF THE APPLICATION. AND AGAIN, UM, THE FULL EVALUATION OF THAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT. UM, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL OF THE PROJECTS, THIS WAS SENT TO OUT TO OUR REVIEWING AGENCIES AND THERE WERE, UM, MOST COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED THROUGH, UM, OR MANY COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED THROUGH RESUBMITTAL OF PLANS AND CHANGES TO PLANS. BUT THERE WERE STILL SOME OUTSTANDING COMMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THOSE ARE POINTED OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT. UM, THE [00:45:01] PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS PROCESS, ON THIS PROJECT, UM, HAS FOLLOWED ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS REGARDING THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT. UM, THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS HOPE RECEIVED EVERYTHING. UM, I BELIEVE I SENT THE LAST ROUND OF COMMENTS TO JOANNE AT ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON. I HOPE YOU GOT THOSE IN YOUR YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN HAVING TROUBLE WITH SUDDEN LINK, SO IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH. OH, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, I TRIED. WE CAN GET THOSE TO YOU IF, IF WE NEED TO. UM, AGAIN, WE LOOK AT APPLICATIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, COMPLIANCE AND CONSIST CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE CFA PLAN, OTHER ADOPTED PLANS, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE FINDINGS REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, WHICH ARE IN ARTICLE EIGHT. UM, THE FINDINGS, UM, INCLUDE CONSISTENCY WITH PREVIOUS APPROVALS, COMMUNITY PLAN, APPLICABLE PLANS, INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THE PROJECT MINIMIZES IMPACTS ON ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND MINIMIZES ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL AND FINANCIAL IMPACTS, COMPLIANCE WITH UTILITY SERVICE AND IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS, AND PROVIDING ADEQUATE ROAD SERVICES, PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES, AND INCLUDES A RATIONAL PHASING PLAN. SO BASED ON ALL OF THIS EVALUATION AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, CITY STAFF DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR REZONING OR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD THEIR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023. AT THAT HEARING, THEY VOTED TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE NOTED DEFICIENCIES. AND STAFF RECEIVED RESUBMITTED PLANS FROM THE APPLICANT AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY OF 2024. AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD A HELD THEIR CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING ON FEBRUARY 6TH. AT THAT. UM, AT THAT HEARING, STAFF CONTINUED TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE PROJECT AND THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE ZONE CHANGE, STATING THAT THEY FELT THE PROJECT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE CFA PLAN. THIS WAS A FOUR TO TWO VOTE WITH CHAIR LEVIN AND COMMISSIONER HERS OPPOSED. AND COMMISSIONER BRAM EXCUSED. SO TONIGHT THE CITY COUNCIL IS BEING ASKED TO ACT ON THE ZONE CHANGE PORTION OF THE APPLICATION. UM, CITY COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE PROJECT, WHICH IS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OR DENY THE PROJECT, WHICH IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. MOTIONS FOR BOTH ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET MATERIALS. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE ALSO HAVE A, A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. YES. THE APPLICANT HAS A POWERPOINT, UH, PRESENTATION AS WELL. WHEN WILL THAT, WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO YOUR QUESTIONS TO YOU FIRST AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP. SO, UM, ANY OR WOULD YOU RATHER SEE HAVE THE HOPE? I WOULD PREFER THE OTHER WAY, MAYOR. 'CAUSE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS REALLY ARE CONTINGENT ON YEAH, I JUST GIVING YOU GUYS THE OPTION. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WHY DON'T YOU HAVE, UH, UH, VENT TATE COME UP? I BELIEVE HE'S MAKING THE PRESENTATION NOW. BEN, I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU, IF YOU'RE CAN ACCOMMODATE US. THIS IS A, UH, 60 OR 58, UH, SLIDE PRESENTATION, WHICH IS 2025 SLIDES MORE THAN WHAT YOU PRESENTED TO P AND Z. SO I'M GONNA ASK, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE HERE TILL 10 O'CLOCK, UH, BUT WE WANNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION. SO IF YOU COULD JUST BEAR WITH US AND TRY TO EXPEDITE THE SLIDES SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE YOUR INFORMATION OUT THERE AND WE CAN GET HOME BEFORE MIDNIGHT. UH, YES. UH, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS, THE COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, BENJAMIN TATE WITH, WITH E MORRIS SPA, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE BANEY CORPORATION. SO, UH, I GUESS AS A POINT OF, UH, CLARIFICATION, MR. MAYOR, THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION IS 56 SLIDES LONG, BUT MOST OF THOSE SLIDES ARE ACTUALLY FOR INFORMATION LATER. IF QUESTIONS COME UP, THE A THE PRESENTATION IN CHIEF IS PROBABLY ONLY, ONLY ABOUT 20, 25 SLIDES. THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. SO BEFORE I GET STARTED, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF OPENING COMMENTS AND I TRIED TO KEEP TRACK OF MY THOUGHTS. UH, SO MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS COUNSEL, AS YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN AN INCREDIBLY LONG ROAD, UH, TO GET HERE. THE BANEY STARTED ACQUIRING THIS PROPERTY, I BELIEVE IN THE LATE AUGHTS. UH, WE'VE SUBMITTED OUR FIRST CON CONCEPT REVIEW IN 2016 FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, BUT WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY BE HERE AND, AND TO PRESENT THIS CASE TO COUNSEL AND, AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS, THIS PROJECT THAT, THAT WE TRULY BELIEVE IN. AND, AND I'M GONNA USE THE OP THE WORD OPPORTUNITY A LOT TONIGHT, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY AN ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY TO RESPONSIBLY, [00:50:01] UH, DEVELOP A SITE IN A WAY, UH, THAT, UM, WILL YIELD PUBLIC BENEFITS, UH, ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE GREATER THAN I THINK ANY, CERTAINLY ANY LODGING DEVELOPMENT HAS EVER PROPOSED IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. UH, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A SEGMENT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, THAT OTHERWISE COULDN'T BE DEVELOPED AS A STANDALONE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I WILL, I WILL GET INTO IN THE PRESENTATION AS FAR AS THE WAY, WAY THAT THE PERCENTAGES OF A MI WILL WORK AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMICS OF DEVELOPING IT, AND THEN ALSO THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD SERVE. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO UTILIZE THE ZONE CHANGE PROCESS TO GET PUBLIC BENEFITS, AGAIN, ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE GREATER THAN IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH DEVELOPMENT BY, RIGHT. UH, THE ZONE CHANGE, CHANGE MECHANISM EXISTS AND THAT LEGISLATIVE DISCRETION EXISTS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO EXPECT AND DEMAND MUCH GREATER PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT THEY COULD GET THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL ZONING AND MULTIFAMILY ZONING THAT THIS PROJECT OTHERWISE HAS. UH, AND, AND CERTAINLY WE'RE UNDER NO DELUSIONS OR ILLUSIONS, I SHOULD SAY, UH, THAT HOTEL HAS BECOME SOMEWHAT OF A, A, A DIRTY WORD IN SEDONA. AND THAT, UH, THE UNREGULATED RISE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THIS COMMUNITY HAS HAD AN ENORMOUSLY OUTSIZED IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA. UH, I'M CERTAINLY NO STRANGER TO THAT CONCEPT. I ACTUALLY PRESENTED ON THAT VERY TOPIC AT THE ARIZONA'S AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE BACK IN 2018. AND ACTUALLY CARRIE SAT ON THAT PANEL, UH, TO DISCUSS THE OUTSIZE IMPACT THAT SDRS ARE HAVING ON SEDONA. SO WE ARE CERTAINLY UNDER NO, UH, ILLUSIONS ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THAT IS HAVING. UM, AND WITH ALL THAT SAID, AND WITH ALL OF THAT IN MIND, UH, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, I, I WOULD, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ASK AS I MOVE THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT YOU KEEP AN OPEN MIND, UH, TO THE FACT THAT OF ALL OF THE POTENTIAL FORMS OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR ON THIS PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S BY RIGHT OR WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE TONIGHT, THAT THE MOST RESPONSIBLE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY. I'LL GO THROUGH THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY BECAUSE CARRIE REALLY COVERED ALL THIS. IT'S APPROXIMATELY SIX AND A THIRD ACRES, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 89 A AT SOLDIERS PASS ROAD. IT'S FIVE AND A THIRD ACRES COMMERCIAL AND ONE ACRE OF MULTIFAMILY. WE ARE SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 89 A, A HOTEL ON THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOLDIERS PASSING 89 A SOME COMMERCIAL AND THE BPOE LODGE TO THE EAST AND SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH AND COMMERCIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST. UH, SO HERE TONIGHT WITH ME IS THE BANEY FAMILY. THEY'RE SITTING IN THE FRONT ROW. UH, THE BANEY CORPORATION IS A SECOND GENERATION, UH, FAMILY OWNED HOSPITALITY COMPANY, UH, AND OWNS 17 HOTELS THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN UNITED STATES, UH, CALIFORNIA, OREGON, IDAHO, UH, AND WASHINGTON ARE PRIMARILY WHERE THEIR HOTELS EXIST. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY BEGAN ACQUIRING THIS SITE IN 2006, UH, ULTIMATELY WITH THE GOAL OF DEVELOPING A, A HOTEL ON THIS PROPERTY. UH, ROBIN BANEY, THE COO OF THE COMPANY, GREW UP IN PRESCOTT, UH, WENT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL IN PRESCOTT. AND THEY ALWAYS HAD A DREAM OF, UH, BEING ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING CLOSER TO ROBIN'S FAMILY, WHICH STILL LIVES IN, IN PRESCOTT. UH, SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS A 110 UNIT, UH, LODGING DEVELOPMENT WITH 40 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY, UH, CONSISTING ENTIRELY OF ONE AND TWO STORY BUILDINGS WITH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 27 FEET. 22 FEET IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT YOU CAN GET WITH NORMAL STANDARDS, 27 FEET WITH ALTERNATE STANDARDS. DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, USE ALTERNATE STANDARDS WHERE OTHER PARTS USE THE 22 FOOT NORMAL STANDARDS. AND THAT'S ONE MISCONCEPTION, UH, THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA ELEMENTS THAT HAVE, HAVE, UH, CIRCULATED ON THIS PROPERTY FAIRLY RECENTLY, IS ABOUT THE HEIGHT. AND WHETHER THIS HAS ANY THIRD STORY ELEMENTS, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IT DOES NOT. UH, THERE'S NOTHING ON THIS PROPERTY THAT IS TALLER THAN TWO STORIES OR 27 FEET. UH, THE DEVELOPMENT IS BISECTED BY A CONNECTOR ROAD, UH, THAT WILL PROVIDE SIGNALED ACCESS TO THE SOLDIERS PASS AN 89 A SIGNAL FROM SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN, UH, STRONGLY ENCOURAGED ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO INCLUDE, UH, ONE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT HAS OCCURRED SINCE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PROPOSAL WAS FOR 28 UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AND 12 UNITS OF MARKET RATE HOUSING. THE PROPOSAL IS NOW THAT ALL 40 OF THOSE UNITS BE DEDICATED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE PERCENTAGES OF A MI CH HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT BASED ON SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, WHICH I WILL GET INTO LATER. BUT THAT IS ONE THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS THAT, UH, WE ARE NOW PROPOSING THAT ALL 40 OF THOSE UNITS BE DEDICATED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR A MINIMUM OF 50 YEARS. UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME RENDERINGS OF THE PROJECTS. SO JUST KIND OF TAKING YOU ON A QUICK TOUR. SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, LOOKING SORT OF HOVERING FROM THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF SOLDIERS PASSING 89 A LOOKING BACK SOUTH TOWARDS THE PROJECT. SO TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU WOULD SEE THE 28 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS, UH, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THAT AT THE VERY FAR END WOULD BE THE OTHER 12 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY, WHICH ARE ALSO NOW WORKFORCE HOUSING. ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CONNECTOR ROAD, YOU SEE THE, IN THE FOUR SCREEN HERE, UH, ONE OF OUR THREE MAIN LODGING BUILDINGS. AND I JUST WANNA POINT THIS OUT 'CAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ANOTHER [00:55:01] POINT OF MIS UH, NOT MISINFORMATION BECAUSE IT IS SHOWN ON THE, ON THE PICTURE, BUT IT WAS AN UNFORTUNATE ARTISTIC FLOURISH OF THE PERSON WHO DID THE RENDERINGS, WHICH IS NOT ACTUALLY IN THE PLANS. THERE ARE NO HOT TUBS OR ANY TYPES OF WATER AMENITIES ON THE BALCONIES OF THE LODGING. UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE RENDERER DECIDED TO THROW IN. 'CAUSE I THINK THEY THOUGHT IT LOOKED COOL, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE MISSED. UH, BUT IT IS NOT IN THE PLANTS, IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROJECT. I'M HERE CATEGORICALLY TO SAY THERE WILL BE NO HOT TUBS OR ANY TYPE OF THING LIKE THAT ON ANY OF THE IES ANYWHERE. GOD, THIS MOUSE WHEEL MOVES SO FAST QUICKLY. SO THIS WOULD BE IF YOU ARE SORT OF HOVERING ABOVE THE PARKING STRUCTURE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CONNECT ROAD. LOOKING BACK WEST TOWARDS OUR LOBBY BUILDING. UH, AS YOU WILL SEE, THE LOBBY BUILDING IS ONE STORY. THERE'S A SMALL ROOFTOP LOUNGE UP THERE, BUT IT IS NOT ON TOP OF THE SECOND STORY. IT IS ON TOP OF THE FIRST STORY, WHICH I KNOW HAS BEEN ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, POINTS OF CLARIFICATION THAT I WANTED TO STRESS. UH, IT IS SITTING ON TOP OF THE FIRST STORY, NOT ON TOP OF THE SECOND STORY. SO THERE'S NOTHING ON THIS PROPERTY AGAIN THAT IS TALLER THAN TWO STORIES. UH, THE TREE HOUSE SUITES ARE HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PICTURE, UH, CIRCLING A 75 FOOT PONDEROSA PINE THAT WILL BE, UH, RETAINING IS ONE OF THE, I THINK THE 18, UH, MATURE TREES THAT WE'RE KEEPING, UH, AS WE CLEAR THE SITE. THIS IS FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. SO AGAIN, LOOKING BACK WEST ON 89 A THE 28 UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING UP FRONT HERE ARE PARKING AREA. JUST OFF TO THE LEFT THERE YOU CAN SEE THE SOLAR ON TOP OF THE PARKING CANOPIES THERE. THE ONE THING THAT HAS CHANGED FROM THESE RENDERINGS IS THAT WE DO NOW HAVE THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION OR THE VEHICULAR CONNECTION THAT WILL CONNECT THE CONNECTOR ROAD TO ELK ROAD. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CHANGED BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER AND PLANNING COMMISSION IN FEBRUARY. AS THAT WE DO NOW HAVE THAT OFF HIGHWAY EAST WEST VEHICULAR CIRCULATION, UH, FROM THE CONNECTOR ROAD TO ELK ROAD. GOD, THAT MEANS THIS WHEEL MOVES QUICKLY, JUST CLICK. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, AND THEN FINALLY FROM THE, UH, ROOFTOP LOUNGE LOOKING NORTH, UH, OVER 89 A, UH, AROUND SUNSET. SO THE HOTEL ELEMENT, I'VE ALREADY COVERED THIS. 110 ROOMS, 102 STANDARD ROOMS WITH EIGHT TREEHOUSE SUITES. UH, TOTAL, THE STANDARD ROOMS DIVIDED INTO THREE, UH, WINGS. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. THE, THE WINGS THEMSELVES, AND I'LL GET INTO THIS A LITTLE LATER, ARE, ARE KIND OF, UH, AT AN, AT NON-UNIFORM ANGLES. AND THAT WAS VERY MUCH BY DESIGN. WHEN THE ARCHITECTS FIRST STARTED LAYING OUT THIS SITE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY LOOKED AT, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CFA GOALS AS WELL, WAS PRESERVING VIEW SHEDS TO THE GREATEST DEGREES POSSIBLE. AND SO THE LODGING BUILDINGS WERE ACTUALLY ANGLED AND ORIENTED, UH, BASED ON THE FRONT YARDS, WINDOWS ORIENTATION OF THE HOMES OF THOSE FOUR HOMES THAT ARE IN THAT SMALL CUL-DE-SAC JUST SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY, TO ENSURE THAT WHEREVER WE ARE ABLE TO, WE ARE PRESERVING THOSE VIEWS LOOKING FROM SOUTH TO NOR MM-HMM, , UH, WE ARE IMPLEMENTING, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN THE SUSTAINABILITY GOALS HERE, A, A PARK ONCE PHILOSOPHY. AND, AND THAT IS THROUGH A NUMBER OF, OF POLICIES THAT WE PLAN ON IMPLEMENTING, UH, TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE THAT ONCE THEIR CAR COMES INTO THE PRO PROPERTY, ONCE THEY CHECK IN, THAT IT DOESN'T LEAVE UNTIL THEY CHECK OUT. UH, AMONG THOSE THINGS ARE VALET SERVICE FOR HOTEL GUESTS, SO IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR CAR ONCE YOU PUT IT IN. UH, TWO, THE BANEY OFFER, UH, AT OTHER PROPERTIES, AND THEY'LL DO IT HERE, A SHUTTLE SERVICE TO WITHIN FIVE, A FIVE MILE RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY, UH, FIVE MILES FROM THIS PROPERTY GETS YOU TO BELL ROCK. UH, SO JUST ANOTHER AMENITY, A COMPLIMENTARY AMENITY FOR HOTEL GUESTS IS A WAY TO ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO USE THEIR CARS, UH, ONCE THEY PARK. UH, AND ALSO COMPLIMENTARY BIKE RENTALS FOR HOTEL GUESTS AS WELL. AS FAR AS THE HOTEL AMENITIES ARE CONCERNED, THERE'S A 3,800 SQUARE FOOT LOBBY RESTAURANT JUST OFF THE MAIN LOBBY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LOBBY, A 1800 SQUARE FOOT ROOFTOP ROOFTOP TERRACE, WHICH IS THIS AREA THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE THAT IS SCREENED ON ALL SIDES, UH, BY THE BUILDINGS AND LANDSCAPING TO ENSURE THAT IF YOU ARE IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH OF THIS, THAT YOU WON'T SEE IT EITHER DURING THE DAY OR AT NIGHT. BECAUSE AT NIGHT OUR LIGHTING IS STILL REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE DARK SKY ORDINANCES IN THE CITY OF SEDONAS LIGHTING CODE. UH, SO THERE WILL BE NO LIGHTS SPILLAGE WHATSOEVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I KIND OF JUMPED AHEAD OF MY SLIDES THERE. AND ANOTHER THING, UH, I DON'T THINK WE'VE COVERED THIS IN A STIPULATION, UH, BUT WE WILL BE CEASING ROOFTOP ACTIVITIES AT 10:00 PM WE'VE HEARD AT LEAST SOME ADDITIONAL FEED OR SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT LIVE MUSIC UP THERE. IF THAT'S A CONCERN, WE'RE HAPPY TO STIPULATE THAT THERE CAN'T BE LIVE MUSIC UP THERE. IF IT'S JUST ONE MORE THING TO ENSURE THAT NOISE WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE. UH, WITH THE ROOFTOP TERRACE, BOTH THE RESTAURANT AND THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE WILL BE SEMI-PUBLIC. THIS IS JUST A WAY FOR US TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING OVERFLOW ISSUES. SO BOTH THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE AND RESTAURANT WILL BE RESERVATION ONLY, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC. AND IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT HALF OF THAT CAPACITY IS RESERVED FOR HOTEL GUESTS AT ALL TIME. AND IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE COMING THAT WE'RE NEVER OVERFLOW, WE NEVER HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE TOO MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE COMING AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THEM, UH, THERE IS A 3000 SQUARE FOOT BASEMENT LEVEL MEETING SPACE AGAIN, IN ORDER TO ENSURE WE DON'T HAVE PARKING ISSUES. THIS MEETING SPACE WILL BE FOR GUESTS ONLY RESERVATIONS, [01:00:01] WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND I'M GONNA TAKE A LITTLE SIP OF WATER HERE. THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, THE ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT THAT HAS PROBABLY CHANGED THE MOST SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, JUST IN TERMS OF THE COMPOSITION BETWEEN MARKET RATE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE PROJECT, WE HAD 28 UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, AT 80% OF A MI OR LESS. UH, AFTER PNZ, WE WENT AND MET WITH SHANNON BOONE, YOUR HOUSING MANAGER, TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND SEE, UH, WHETHER WE WERE GETTING CLOSE TO THE MARK OR HITTING THE MARK, OR WHETHER THERE, THERE WERE ELEMENTS OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING EL PART OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE COULD BE DOING BETTER. UH, AND THE FIRST COMMENT THAT WE GOT WAS THAT ALL 100% OF THIS, UH, THESE UNITS NEEDED TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING. UH, AND THAT WAS IMMEDIATELY WHAT WE DID. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TO CONSIDER WAS, UH, WHETHER WE WERE GONNA STICK WITH THE SAME MIX OF UNITS OR WHETHER VOLUME WAS THE PRIORITY. UH, WE'VE HEARD DIFFERENT THINGS FROM, FROM DIFFERENT BODIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE. SO AT LEAST FOR NOW, THE UNIT MIX IS STAYING THE SAME, WHICH IS A GREATER DIVERSITY OF UNITS. WE HAVE 24 STUDIOS, SIX ONE BEDROOMS AND TEN TWO BEDROOM UNITS, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FAMILY SITUATIONS FOR WHOMEVER IS A COMET IS, UH, OCCUPYING THIS WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, FOR THE 28 UNITS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. THAT WILL BE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A MI FOR THE 12 UNITS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. THAT WILL BE AT 150% OF A MI. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE VERY SURPRISED TO LEARN THROUGH OUR CONVERSATION WITH SHANNON, UH, WAS THAT THERE'S A COMPLIMENT OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY, UH, THAT IS, UH, HAS WELL PAYING JOBS, BUT, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, CAN'T QUALIFY FOR TRADITIONAL WORKFORCE HOUSING AT 80% OF A MI OR LESS. UH, BUT NONETHELESS CAN'T COMPETE FOR MARKET RATE WORKFORCE HOUSING, EVEN IN 150% OF A MI. AND SO, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS TRY AND SORT OF FALL WITHIN THOSE BOUNDS TO WHERE WE'RE AVERAGE INCOME AVERAGING SOMEWHERE AROUND 120% OF A MI WITH A COMMITMENT THAT THESE WILL REMAIN AFFORDABLE TO THE TARGET POPULATION FOR A MINIMUM OF 50 YEARS, AND THAT THEY'LL ALL BE DEED RESTRICTED AGAINST SHORT TERM RENTALS IN PERPETUITY. AND WHAT THIS AMOUNTS TO, AND THIS KIND OF GETS BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER ABOUT THE, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CONTRIBUTION, UH, IS EVEN JUST IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF THIS PROJECT, AVERAGING $350,000 PER UNIT, WHICH FRANKLY IS PROBABLY LOW UNDER, UNDER CURRENT PRICING FOR BUILDING MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THAT'S ABOUT A $14 MILLION CONTRIBUTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UH, FOR CONTEXT, THE LAST ZONE CHANGE THAT THIS BODY APPROVED IN 2018 FOR THE MARRIOTT RESIDENTS INN WAS 90 UNITS. AND THE DEVELOPER, UH, CONTRIBUTED $824,000 TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND. SO THAT'S ABOUT 17 TIMES THE TOTAL CONTRIBUTION AND ABOUT 14 TIMES THE PER UNIT CONTRIBUTION RELATIVE TO THE LAST ZONE CHANGE THAT THIS BODY APPROVED. UH, AND THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T EVEN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. AND FRANKLY, I THINK THIS IS AN EVEN LARGER NUMBER THAT I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO CALCULATE. UH, DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF EXPRESSING IT, THE LOST RENT THAT THE BANEY ARE COMMITTING TO BY RESTRICTING THE RENTS ON THESE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE BUILDING A MARKET RATE PRODUCT BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET ABOVE A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI REALLY, ONCE YOU GET ABOVE 80% OF A MI, AND I'M SURE SHANNON WILL BE ABLE TO VERIFY THIS, MOST OF THE TAX CREDITS AND INCENTIVES THAT YOU GET TO OFFSET THE COST OF THAT RENT RESTRICTION AND TO BUILD WORKFORCE HOUSING MORE OR LESS VANISH. SO WHAT THE, IN EFFECT, WHAT THE NIES ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD IS 40 UNITS OF MARKET RATE, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, AND THEN SELF RESTRICTING THE AMOUNT OF RENT THAT THEY CAN RECEIVE ON THAT. AND ECONOMICALLY, THAT IS A VERY CHALLENGING THING TO DO UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME OTHER ECONOMIC ENGINE TO OFFSET IT. BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GIVING UP THAT RENT THAT THE MARKET WOULD OTHERWISE BEAR FOR A PERIOD OF 50 YEARS, IF YOU THINK OF THAT IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITY COSTS, THAT IS TENS OF MILLIONS OF ADDITIONAL DOLLARS OF CONTRIBUTION IN TERMS OF A PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT FRANKLY, I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO CALCULATE CIRCULATION. SO AS RECOMMENDED BY THE SOLDIERS PAST CFA, WE DO HAVE THE CONNECTOR ROAD. WE ARE ALSO ADDING THE ELK ROAD CR, UH, VEHICULAR CONNECTION TO IMPROVED EASTWEST CIRCULATION FROM SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE OVER TO ELK ROAD, UH, AND COMPLETION OF EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALK FROM VALLEY VIEW DRIVE TO STATE ROUTE 89 A 89 A. AS A BIT OF AN ASIDE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD THROUGH VERY RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY, UH, IS THAT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF DESIRE TO HAVE THAT SIDEWALK EXTEND PAST OUR PROPERTY LINE ALL THE WAY TO VALLEY VIEW DRIVE. UH, WE PUT IT IN THE PLAN BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF ASKED US TO DO, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE CFA PLAN HAD, UM, RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO TO HAVE THAT SIDEWALK EXTEND FURTHER SOUTH. UH, BUT IF THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE SIDEWALK EXTENDING PAST OUR PROPERTY, UH, AND THAT IS THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, THEN BY ALL MEANS WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ELIMINATE THAT PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK. UM, WE HAVE ARE ALSO PROVIDING A RELOCATED LINKS STOP SHELTER AND VERDE, UH, SHUTTLE STOP, IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE MY CURSOR IS, RIGHT HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. WE ARE ALSO PUTTING IN A DESAL LANE THERE, UH, TO ALLOW TRAFFIC TO GET OUT OF [01:05:01] THE WAY AND NOT IMPEDE TRAFFIC GOING EAST ON 89 A. THAT WILL ALSO ALLOW THE SHUTTLE TO PULL OFF OF 89 A TO PICK PEOPLE UP AND NOT BLOCK THE THROUGH LANES OF TRAFFIC. UH, AND FINALLY, WE ARE PROPOSING ENHANCED CROSSWALKS, UH, AT ALL FOUR CORNERS OF THE INTERSECTION FOR 89 A AND SOLDIERS PASS SUBJECT TO ADOT APPROVING THEM. SO, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, UH, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF ITERATIONS. UH, STARTING BACK IN, IN 2016 AND 2017, AT WHICH TIME IT WAS, UH, A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD COMMERCIAL, IT HAD RETAIL, IT HAD RESIDENTIAL, IT HAD LODGING, UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CFA PLAN HAD ORIGINALLY SHOWED. AS, AS CARRIE NOTED, AND I'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WE WENT THROUGH BEFORE WE GOT TO THE CURRENT FORM OF IT. UH, WE JUST WEREN'T HITTING THE MARK AND WE WEREN'T GETTING THE, THE MIX OF USES THAT STAFF WANTED. UH, AND SO IN FEBRUARY OF 2020, WE HAD A MEETING WITH STAFF, UH, TO GET BETTER DIRECTION ON WHAT, ON, ON HOW WE SHOULD APPROACH THIS PROJECT AND WHAT THE COMPOSITION OF LAND USES, UH, SHOULD BE. CLEARLY WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T GETTING IT RIGHT. UH, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT REPEATEDLY IS HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN TO GET TO THIS POINT. AND GRANTED, SOME OF THOSE DELAYS ARE, ARE CERTAINLY FALL WITHIN OUR COURT. UH, BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY OF 2020 IS THAT WE EFFECTIVELY STARTED OVER ON THIS PROJECT, AND I MEAN, TRULY STARTED OVER. 'CAUSE WHAT THE DIRECTION THAT WE GOT IN THAT 2020 MEETING, UH, AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, WAS TO FOCUS MORE ON RESIDENTIAL, ELIMINATE THE RETAIL, ELIMINATE THE PUBLIC PLAZA, UH, AND JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT THAT WAS LODGING AND MULTIFAMILY. UH, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THERE ARE BUBBLE DIAGRAMS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US BY STAFF, UH, AS POTENTIAL EXAMPLES OF HOW WE SHOULD LAY OUT THIS SITE PLAN. UH, AS WE MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT IS ONE OF THE DIAGRAMS THAT WAS PROVIDED BY STAFF. AND WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT IS OUR CURRENT SITE PLAN. UH, SO WE, WE FOLLOWED THAT, THAT DIRECTION. AND IN FEBRUARY OF 2020, UH, THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF WORK THAT THE BANEY HAD PUT IN, IN TERMS OF DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT, UH, WE SET ASIDE. AND AT THE DIRECTION OF STAFF, WE STARTED OVER. AND SO THROUGH THE SUMMER OF 2020 AND INTO OUR CONCEPT REVIEW IN THE FALL OF 2020, UH, WE STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS MORE OR LESS WHAT YOU SEE NOW. AND FOR THE NEXT 18 MONTHS AFTER THAT WAS OUR FORMAL REVIEW PROCESSES WHERE WE HAD TO REDO OUR GRADING AND DRAINAGE, OUR LANDSCAPE, OUR ELEVATIONS, ALL OF THE ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, WHICH IS A, A LOT OF WORK IN TERMS OF, UH, DESIGN DELIVERABLES. AND SO I ONLY SAY THAT TO RESPOND TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CRITICISMS THAT HAS BEEN, UM, OFFERED OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH AGAIN, IS AT LEAST TO SOME DEGREE FAIR. UH, BUT IT HAS TAKEN US SO LONG TO GET TO THIS POINT. IF YOU MEASURE IT FROM 2016, IF YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IN FEBRUARY OF 2020 WE STARTED OVER ON THIS PROJECT, AND THAT IN JUNE OF 2022, WE HAD SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE AS FAR AS WHETHER WE WERE, WE WERE EVEN GONNA CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. WHEN THE CFA PLAN CHANGED IN AUGUST OF 2022, THEN IT DOESN'T SEEM QUITE AS LONG TO GET TO THIS POINT. BUT I WA I WANT TO GET BACK TO WHAT I THINK REALLY TELLS THE STORY ON THIS PROJECT. AND THAT'S THE COMMITMENTS THAT THE BAYNEY HAVE MADE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC BENEFITS AND REALLY SUSTAINABILITY. 'CAUSE FRANKLY, THIS PROJECT IS A LOT BETTER AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THE INPUT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM STAFF. THE INPUT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM PLANNING AND ZONING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THE INPUT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE COMMUNITY AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, THIS WAS JUST A, A, A RELATIVELY GARDEN VARIETY OXFORD SUITES HOTEL THAT COULD BE BUILT IN JUST ABOUT ANY JURISDICTION. UH, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THE SUSTAINABILITY CRI UH, COMMITMENTS HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY. THE WORKFORCE HOUSING COMMITMENT HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY. IT'S HAS FEWER HOTEL ROOMS, IT'S GOT BETTER, UH, CIRCULATION. EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS PROJECT HAS GOTTEN BETTER AS A RESULT OF ALL THE INPUT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM ALL OF THE BODIES THAT HAVE PROVIDED INPUT TO THIS PROJECT. AND SUSTAINABILITY IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM. UH, SO RAIN WATER HARVESTING TANKS ON ALL OF THE HOTEL BUILDINGS THAT WILL COLLECT RAIN WATER TO, UH, WATER OUR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION. IT REDUCES STORMWATER RETENTION REQUIREMENTS BY A THIRD SOLAR PANELS ON THE PARKING AREA. CANOPIES, UH, IT'S A RENEWABLE SOURCE THAT WILL POWER OUR LANDSCAPE LIGHTING, LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION CONTROLS, RAINWATER HARVEST HARVESTING PUMPS, UH, AND POTENTIALLY THE PARKING STRUCTURE. LIGHTING, UH, 10 TOTAL ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGERS. FOUR ON EACH OF THE TWO LEVELS OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE AND TWO IN THE SURFACE PARKING AREA. AND AN ADDITIONAL 20 EV READY SPACES WITH JUNCTION BOXES AND CONDUIT FOR FUTURE EV CHARGING STATIONS, DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING, LDC COMPLIANT ZEROSCAPE LANDSCAPING WITH 67% NATIVE TREES AND 60% NATIVE SHRUBS. I'M NOT GONNA READ THIS LIST, UH, BECAUSE OF HOW LONG IT IS, BUT THIS IS THE GREEN HOTEL COMMITMENT THAT THE OXFORD SUITES DO AT ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES, UH, WHICH INCLUDES COMPO, INCLUDES COMPOSTING FOOD WASTE IN-ROOM RECYCLING, UH, LED LIGHTING, TANKLESS WATER COOLERS. THE LIST GOES ON. UH, SOME ADDITIONAL SUSTAINABILITY, UH, COMMITMENTS THAT THEY HAVE MADE, A MINIMUM OF FIVE FILTERED WATER BOTTLE FILL STATIONS IN THE HOTEL. THEY'RE ELIMINATING SINGLE USE PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES. THEY PARTNER WITH A COMPANY CALLED PATH, WHICH MAKES ALUMINUM REFILLABLE WATER BOTTLES THAT ARE SOLD VERY MUCH IN THE SAME WAY THAT SINGLE USE WATER BOTTLES ARE, BUT THEY CAN BE REFILLED. AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING ANY SINGLE USE PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES SOLD [01:10:01] IN THE HOTEL, PROVIDED COMPLIMENTARY IN THE ROOMS, THEY'LL HAVE THESE PATH WATER BOTTLES INSTEAD WITH FILL STATIONS IN THE HOTEL TO FILL THEM UP. A COLD WATER, HOTEL, LAUNDRY SYSTEM. THIS DRAMATICALLY REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF NATURAL GAS THAT YOU NEED TO USE TO OPERATE THE HOTEL BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH NATURAL GAS IS NEEDED TO HEAT HOT WATER FOR LAUNDRY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH LAUNDRY A HOTEL GOES THROUGH EVERY DAY, UH, COMPLIMENTARY HOTEL SHUTTLE SERVICE, WHICH I MENTIONED. COMPLIMENTARY BIKE RENTALS FOR HOTEL GUESTS, LEAK DETECTION DEVICES ON WATER SUPPLY LINES, SOLAR READY BUILDING ROOFTOPS ON ALL OF THE REMAINING BUILDINGS. SO CONDUIT JUNCTION BOXES, SUPPORT STRUCTURES FOR SOLAR PANELS ON ALL OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, ENROLLMENT IN APSS GREEN CHOICE PROGRAM, PERMEABLE PAVERS ON ALL THE INTERNAL WALKWAYS, RECYCLING OF BUILDING AND, AND CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. AND FINALLY, THAT THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL BE BUILT TO A LEAD SILVER STANDARD. SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE THERE WITH THE LITTLE THREE GREEN ASTERISKS NEXT TO IT, UH, WERE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WERE SUGGESTED BY THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE AND IN THE NOVEMBER P AND Z THAT WE ADDED FROM NOVEMBER TO FEBRUARY OUTREACH. UH, SO WE DID HOST TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS FOR THIS PROJECT. ONE WAS IN A VIRTUAL MEETING IN, UH, SORRY, AUGUST OF 2021. ONE WAS A ONSITE MEETING IN DECEMBER OF 2021. FOR BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS, UH, WE MAILED LETTERS NOT ONLY TO THE 300 FOOT RADIUS THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CODE, WE ALSO SENT LETTERS TO EVERY HOMEOWNER IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AT THAT ONSITE MEETING THAT WE HAD IN DECEMBER WHERE WE TOOK THE TIME TO PUT UP STORY POLES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ILLUSTRATE WHERE THE HEIGHTS WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY. UH, ONLY SIX PEOPLE SIGNED INTO THAT MEETING AND EIGHT TO NINE PEOPLE I BELIEVE ATTENDED IN TOTAL. IF I HAD TO GUESS JUST BASED ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SIGNED IN, UH, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED. UM, MORE RECENTLY, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF ONE ONE-ON-ONE OUTREACH IN THE WEST SEDONA COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE THE 56 LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND 80 SIGNATURES ON THE SUPPORT PETITION IN YOUR PACKETS. OVER THE LAST WEEK. WE'VE DONE, UH, A LOT OF, AND BY A LOT, I MEAN THE, OUR TEAM HAS KNOCKED EVERY DOOR IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, LAST FRIDAY, UH, THERE WAS A, UH, RESIDENT LED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. WE OFFERED AND REQUESTED TO ATTEND THAT MEETING, UH, AND THAT REQUEST WAS DECLINED. HMM. UH, BUT NONETHELESS, UH, THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND THROUGH, UH, A COUPLE OF OF THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS AND LETTERS THAT WE'VE READ, WE HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE COMMON RESIDENT CONCERNS. AND THIS IS THE TIME THAT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND ALL THOSE AND HOPEFULLY CLEAR THE AIR ON A LOT OF THE MISINFORMATION THAT IS GOING AROUND ABOUT THE PROJECTS, BECAUSE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF IT. UH, THE FIRST IS THE NOISE AND, AND AND LIGHT FROM THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE IN THE POOL. GRANTED, IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT THIS ON PAPER AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE CONTEXT FOR IT, IT IS PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE WHY A ROOFTOP LOUNGE ADJACENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD SOUND SCARY AND WOULD SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT IN A COMMUNITY. UH, BUT THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE DESIGN OF THE LOUNGE ITSELF. SO, TO START, AGAIN, IT IS SCREENED ON ALL SIDES TO THE SOUTHEAST AND WEST BY PARTS OF THE BUILDING, SO IT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IN FACT, THOSE WALLS AND MASONRY STRUCTURES WILL ALSO SCREEN SOUND. IT IS ORIENTED NORTH TOWARDS 89 A UH, THE BUILDING LIGHTING IS STILL SUBJECT TO CITY CODE AND THE DARK SKY REQUIREMENTS. SO THERE WILL BE NO LIGHTS SPILLAGE FROM THE ROOFTOP INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AGAIN, ALL OF THAT LIGHTING WILL ALSO BE ORIENTED DOWN INTO THE LOUNGE AREA AND WON'T EVEN FACE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY A STIPULATION, BUT WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE IT ONE, IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. UH, THAT ROOFTOP ACTIVITY CEASES AT 10:00 PM UH, LOSS OF THE VIEW SHED. SO AGAIN, THIS IS CURRENTLY A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL CONCEDE THAT AT SOME POINT THIS IS GOING TO DEVELOP AS SOMETHING. AND THE HEIGHTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS PROPERTY ARE THE SAME THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IF THIS WAS DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL ZONING, IF IT WAS DEVELOPED AS MULTIFAMILY ZONING. BUT THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T GET WITH TYPICAL COMMERCIAL ZONING, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF RETAIL AND STRIP CENTERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE FOUR-SIDED ARCHITECTURE. YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL OR YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL BACK OF HOUSE. YOU HAVE LOADING AREAS, YOU HAVE TRASH DUMPSTERS, YOU HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU GET ON THE BACKSIDE OF COMMERCIAL, WHICH BASED ON THE ORIENTATION OF THE SITE WOULD LIKELY FACE TO THE SOUTH. INSTEAD, WE HAVE HOTEL BUILDINGS THAT WILL HAVE FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE THAT ARE DESIGNED TO LOOK GOOD FROM ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS. BUT AS I POINTED OUT, THE BUILDINGS WERE DESIGNED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING TO ALIGN WITH THE HOMES CLOSEST TO THE CLOSEST TO THE PROJECT, SO THAT TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, WE WERE PRESERVING THOSE U SHEDS. AND THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD GOING UP TOWARDS THE AIRPORT, MESA IS ON A SLOPE AND IT'S ON A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SLOPE. IF YOU DRIVE EVEN HALFWAY UP INTO THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ARE ALREADY LOOKING DOWN OVER OUR SITE. AND THAT SLOPE CONTINUES ALL THE WAY TO 89 A SLOPING FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. AND SO THE RELATIVE HEIGHTS OF OUR BUILDINGS, AS YOU GO FARTHER UP INTO THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD, ONLY GET LOWER TO THE POINT WHERE EVEN IF YOU WERE ONLY HALFWAY UP INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE STARTING TO LOOK ONTO THE TOPS OF THESE ROOFS, NOT TO THE SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS. AND SO THE SAME HEIGHT PARAMETERS WOULD APPLY WHETHER WE WERE PROPOSING THIS PROJECT OR THIS WAS BEING DEVELOPED UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING. BUT WE VERY [01:15:01] INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED THE BUILDINGS IN A WAY THAT ACCOMMODATES VIEWS TO THE GREATEST DEGREE POSSIBLE. THAT IF YOU WERE DEVELOPING THIS WITH COMMERCIAL ZONING, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUT OF COMMERCIAL WOULD SIMPLY NOT BE POSSIBLE, UH, TRAFFIC INTO THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP FAIRLY RECENTLY. UH, AS FAR AS THE CONCERN OF THE CONNECTOR ROAD, WHICH CONNECTS SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE TWO SOLDIERS PASS ROAD, WHICH AGAIN, IS SOMETHING THAT IS EMPHASIZED IN THE CFA PLAN TO IMPROVE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE CIRCULATION. UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN THAT THIS IS GOING, GOING TO EXACERBATE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC, UH, IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD FOR VEHICLES LEAVING THE DEVELOPMENT ON SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND TURNING SOUTH. I THINK JUST AS FAR AS A PERCENTAGE OF OVERALL TURNING MOVEMENT, THAT'S PROBABLY A FAIRLY LOW PROBABILITY MOVEMENT BECAUSE MOST OF THE PLACES PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO GO ARE NORTH TO 89 A. BUT NONETHELESS, UH, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMMIT TO IF THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH IT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, TO COMMIT TO INSTALLING A RIGHT TURN ONLY SIGN ON OUR PROPERTY, UH, THAT AT THAT, THAT WOULD EXIST AT THAT INTERSECTION, AND EVEN STRIPING THE ROADWAY IN A WAY THAT DIRECTS TRAFFIC NORTH ON SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE. AND, UH, WE CAN'T PROHIBIT IT, BUT AT AT LEAST PUT SIGNAGE AND STRIPING TO, UH, INDICATE TO VEHICLES THAT THEY NEED TO GO OUT TOWARDS 89 A INSTEAD OF SOUTH ON SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE BALCONY'S FACING THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS IS ONE, UH, THAT I CAN CATEGORICALLY SAY IS NOT TRUE. THAT IS PARTIALLY OUR FAULT BECAUSE THERE IS A DIAGRAM IN OUR MASSING EXHIBIT THAT IS MISLABELED, UH, THAT IDENTIFIES ONE OF THE, UH, THE DECKS, OR SORRY, THE DECKS ON THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE SOUTH MULTIFAMILY AS BALCONIES. THOSE ARE ON THE, ON THE PERIPHERY. THOSE ARE PLANTERS. THEY'RE NOT BALCONIES. UH, BUT THE, THE LARGER AREAS IN THE MIDDLE HERE ARE NOT BALCONIES. THIS IS SIMPLY AN AREA TO ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO ACTUALLY ACCESS THEIR UNITS. SO IF YOU THINK OF IT AS A LANDING, PEOPLE GO UP THE STAIRS, THE ENTRIES TO THE UNITS FACE THAT AREA. SO IT'S SIMPLY, IT'S A COMMON AREA. IT'S NOT A BALCONY, IT'S NOT A PRIVATE AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS. IT'S SIMPLY A WAY FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ON THAT SECOND LEVEL TO ACCESS THEIR UNITS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE, IT'S THIS AREA CONNECTING THESE TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS, WHICH IS JUST AN AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS TO GET TO THEIR UNITS. AND THESE ONES HERE, WHICH WERE MISLABELED AS BALCONIES YOU CAN SEE ARE PLANTERS. UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE IS BEING RESTRICTED RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. UH, THIS WAS NOT OUR CALL. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT ADOT REQUIRED AS PART OF OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH WAS VERY RECENTLY APPROVED BY ADOT. UH, WE ESSENTIALLY LEFT IT UP TO THEIR DISCRETION. UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ULTIMATELY WITHIN ADOT RIGHT OF WAY TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANT THOSE TURNING MOVEMENTS TO WORK. UH, OUR COMMENT TO ADOT WAS, IF YOU WANT US TO, TO RESTRICT IT, IF YOU WANT US TO BUILD A PORK CHOP, WE'LL BUILD ONE. IF YOU WANT US TO LEAVE IT OPEN, WE'LL LEAVE IT OPEN. UH, THE DIRECTION THAT WE GOT FROM ADOT WAS BECAUSE WE ARE ADDING THE CONNECTOR ROUTE, WHICH WILL CREATE SIGNALED ACCESS FOR THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY, UH, TO THE SOLDIERS' PASS SIGNAL. THERE'S NO LONGER A NEED FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT GOING OUT OF SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, UH, ONTO 89 A WHEN THAT IS A FAR LESS SAFE TURNING MOVEMENT THAN TURNING AT THE LIGHT. AND SO IT WAS A DOT'S DIRECTION TO US TO INSTALL THAT PORK CHOP, UH, WATER CAPACITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ADEQUATE WATER. SO WE HAVE A WILL SERVE LETTER, UH, FROM THE OAK CREEK WATER COMPANY. UH, THAT LETTER IS CONTINGENT UPON, UH, US PROVIDING ALL OF THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE DELIVERY OF WATER TO THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT IS ON THE BANEY DIME. SO THAT IS, UH, ON US TO PROVIDE ALL OF THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET THE WATER TO THE PROPERTY. THE OAK CREEK WATER COMPANY HAS COMMITTED THAT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DELIVER WATER TO THE SITE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE INSTALLING AS PART OF THAT, WHICH IS INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH WILL SERVE THE LARGER AREA, IS A NEW FIRE LOOP, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH WILL ALSO SERVE THE HYDRANTS ALONG, UM, SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE ON 89 A, UH, WHICH PROVIDE MORE CONSISTENT AND BETTER WATER PRESSURE TO THE FIRE HYDRANTS. I PROMISE I'M ALMOST DONE, UH, PARKING OVERFLOW. SO THERE IS SOME CONCERN THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, PER OUR PARKING ANALYSIS. UH, WE ARE NEED, WE NEED 193 PARKING SPACES. WE ARE PROVIDING 208 PHYSICAL SPACES. IF WE OPERATE IN VALET MODE. YOU CAN GET A FEW MORE IN THERE BECAUSE THE VALET CAN OPERATE IN A WAY WHERE THEY CAN PARK, THEY CAN DOUBLE PARK CARS, THEY CAN PARK 'EM CLOSER TOGETHER. WE YIELD AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT SPACES OUT OF THAT. SO AT A REQUIREMENT OF 193 SPACES, WE ARE PROVIDING 216 WHEN WE ARE USING VALET, UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION. AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PARK ONCE STRATEGIES TO LIMIT TURNOVER AT THE HOTEL. UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED HERE, AGAIN, IF WE GO BACK TO THE IDEA THAT THIS IS GOING TO DEVELOP AS SOMETHING, AND WE'RE COMPARING THIS BETWEEN WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED BY WRIGHT VERSUS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER PREPARE WAS AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC GENERATION WOULD BE PRODUCED IF WE WERE TO DEVELOP THIS BY WRIGHT VERSUS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE. COMMERCIAL ZONING GETS YOU UP TO 60% LOCK COVERAGE. I ASK, WE ASK THE [01:20:01] TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO RUN FOUR SCENARIOS, 60% LOCK COVERAGE, 45%, 30%, AND 15%, WHICH REPRESENTS A HUNDRED PERCENT, 75%, 50%, AND 25% OF THE AVAILABLE LOT COVERAGE WITH THAT FIVE AND A 30 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL. AND THEN ALSO ADDING THE 12 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY, UH, THAT YOU CAN ALSO GET BY RIGHT WITH THIS PROJECT. AND EVEN UNDER THE MOST IDEAL OF THOSE SCENARIOS, WHICH WOULD BE THE 15% LOT COVERAGE, WHEN IN COMPARISON TO WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, IT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF TIMES AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE TODAY. AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT A HOTEL NEEDS TO BE SUCCESSFUL VERSUS WHAT RETAIL NEEDS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, A HOTEL NEEDS SOMEBODY TO CHECK IN, AND THEN THE HOTEL GETS PAID IN ORDER FOR RETAIL TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THEY NEED A CONSISTENT FLOW OF CUSTOMERS AND CONSIDERABLY MORE TURNOVER THROUGHOUT THE DAY FOR THAT RETAIL TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND TO BE VIABLE. SO IF YOU JUST THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BOTH OF THOSE USES NEED IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE DIFFERENCE. UH, SEWER GAS, UH, WE, WE COMMITTED TO IT VERBALLY AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HEARING, BUT I ALSO EMAILED HANUKAH EARLIER THIS WEEK TO SAY THAT WHATEVER EASEMENT THAT THE CITY NEEDS FOR ITS BIOFILTER TO DEAL WITH THE OFFGASSING ISSUE FROM THE SEWER AROUND THIS AREA, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE. IF IT NEEDS TO BECOME A STIPULATION AGAIN, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. UH, BUT THAT LEADS ME TO WHAT I THINK IS REALLY, UH, WHAT THE COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING HERE TODAY, UH, CONSIDERING THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PNZ AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND WHERE THIS PROJECT ULTIMATELY SITS IN TERMS OF ITS OVERALL POSTURE. UH, AND, AND THAT'S WHETHER FROM THE, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE COUNCIL, THE, THE PUBLIC BENEFITS ON THIS ARE SUFFICIENT, UH, IN ORDER TO APPROVE WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR HERE, WHICH IS 110 ROOM HOTEL DEVELOPMENT WITH 40 UNITS OF, OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH A FEW OF THEM. SO AGAIN, 40 UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AMOUNTS TO EVEN IN, JUST IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION COST, A $14 MILLION CONTRIBUTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT INCLUDING THE OPPORTUNITY COST THAT THEY'RE ALSO COMMITTING TO AS A RESULT OF COMMITTING THESE TO AFFORDABILITY FOR 50 YEARS. UM, AGAIN, THAT AMOUNTS TO A 17 TIMES IN TERMS OF TOTAL CONTRIBUTION RELATIVE TO THE LAST ZONE CHANGE THAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVED FOR A LODGING DEVELOPMENT AND 14 TIMES THE PER UNIT CONTRIBUTION. IF YOU CONSIDER THAT THE LAST HOTEL THAT WAS APPROVED WAS A 90 UNIT HOTEL. UH, WE ARE ALSO PROVIDING THE CONNECTOR ROAD, WHICH WILL CONNECT SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE TO SOLDIERS PASS ROAD AND THE ELK ROAD CONNECTOR, WHICH WILL IMPROVE OFF HIGHWAY CIRCULATION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, AT LEAST IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN IN THE PLANS FOR THIS AREA, UH, IS A HIGH PRIORITY OF THE CITY TO AT LEAST RELIEVE SOME OF THE CONGESTION ON STATE ROUTE 89 A, UH, NEW FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS AND ELK ROAD AND SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, THE IMPROVED WIDEN AND LANDSCAPE MULTI-USE PATH ON STATE ROUTE 89 A, THE NEW LINKS AND VERDE SHUTTLE SHELTER WITH THE REST STOP ON 89 A AND FINALLY THE $25,000, UH, ENDOWMENT THAT IS BEING OFFERED TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. AND BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE I I I JUST NEED TO POINT OUT, UH, BE BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF, UH, WORDS THROWN AROUND, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER, UH, EXPRESSION. UH, AS FAR AS OUR COMMITMENT TO THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THIS IS REALLY SHOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENTLY OR LOOKED AT NO DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT A DEVELOPER IS OFFERING, UH, AS PART OF A OVERALL PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE FOR A PROPOSAL. THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE WOULD BE THE $124,000 COMMITMENT THAT THE SEDONA, OR SORRY, THE MARRIOTT RESIDENCE INN OFFERED AS PART OF THEIR PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE TO ULTIMATELY EARN THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT, OFFERING $25,000 TO THIS. THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY CONTINGENT ON THIS PROJECT BEING APPROVED, UH, SHOULD BE LOOKED AT NO DIFFERENTLY. IF WE WERE OFFERING TO DO PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COOK CEMETERY, RATHER THAN OFFERING THAT MONEY TO THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, UH, TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS UNTIL THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED. UH, SO WHEN WORDS LIKE BRIBE GET THROWN AROUND, UH, I THINK THAT IS A REALLY UNFAIR WAY TO CHARACTERIZE THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT, AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC BENEFITS TO THE CITY OF SEDONAS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND SHOULD REALLY BE LOOKED AT NO DIFFERENTLY. UH, AND FINALLY, I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS. UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE, AND I WOULDN'T PRESUME TO, UH, UH, ASSUME THE, THE COUNCIL'S FRAME OF REFERENCE OR THE WAY THAT EACH OF ONE OF YOU IS LOOKING AT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS SHOULD EARN YOUR SUPPORT. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE, THE ULTIMATELY THE QUESTION THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO ANSWER HERE, UH, IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A RESPONSIBLE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROPERTY AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE MOST SPON RESPONSIBLE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROPERTY. [01:25:01] SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS AND YOU LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND YOU SEE HOW WELL IT PHYSICALLY FITS INTO THIS SPACE, AND CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPER IS OFFERING TO BUILD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT HOTEL, 40 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY, WHICH ECONOMICALLY SPEAKING DO NOT WORK ON THEIR OWN. THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS SEGMENT OF MULTIFAMILY GETS BUILT WHERE IT IS ESSENTIALLY MARKET RATE HOUSING THAT IS VOLUNTARILY BEING RESTRICTED IS IF THERE'S SOME OTHER ECONOMIC ENGINE TO OFFSET THE LOSS THAT WILL OCCUR AS A RESULT OF PROVIDING MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING TO A COMMUNITY IN SEDONA THAT THERE'S CLEARLY A NEED FOR THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED BY YOUR HOUSING MANAGER, YET NO ONE IS CURRENTLY BUILDING FOR. AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL. IF WE ARE, IF WE HAVE NOT TOTALLY HIT THE MARK, WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING AND MORE THAN OPEN TO ANY AND ALL SUGGESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO GET CLOSER, SO LONG AS IT CAN BE DONE IN A WAY THAT STILL ULTIMATELY MAKES A FINANCIAL FINANCIALLY VIABLE PROJECT FOR THE BANEY. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, IF IT DOESN'T, THEN THIS IS ALL JUST AN EXERCISE IN PHILOSOPHY. UM, AND I THINK THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO TAKE A BREAK AND FOR YOU GUYS TO ANSWER, ASK SOME QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU, BEN. SO, UM, WHY DON'T I START ON TO MY RIGHT, UH, COUNCILOR FOLTZ. OKAY, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I SUSPECT MY COLLEAGUES MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAN I, AND I MAY WELL ASK TO JUMP BACK IN LATER. UM, EITHER CARRIE OR MR. TATE, UM, THE ALTERNATE STANDARDS THAT PROVIDE FOR THE ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET OF HEIGHT, WHAT, WHAT ALTERNATE STANDARDS ARE BEING COMMITTED TO, TO, UH, RECEIVE THAT FIVE FOOT LEEWAY? SO I DID WANNA CLARIFY, UM, THERE ARE BUILDINGS HERE THAT EXCEED 27 FEET IN HEIGHT. UM, ALL THE BUILDINGS MEET THE CITY'S HEIGHT CODE, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OVER 27 FEET. UM, THE 27 FEET OR THE, THE HEIGHTS ABOVE 22 FEET ARE, ARE THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWED BASED ON A DARKER PAINT COLOR BY UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANES, WHICH IS BREAKING UP A BUILDING WALL. SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LARGE FLAT SECTION, UM, A SLOPED ROOF OF THREE AND A HALF TO 12 OR STEEPER, WHICH THE, THE BUILDING THAT THEY ARE TERMING, THE TREE HOUSE SUITES USES THAT SLOPE. AND I BELIEVE SOME OF THE MULTIFAMILY DOES AS WELL, THAT WOULD GET AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET. AND THEN ON PROJECTS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, I THINK IT'S 10% OF THE TOTAL BUILDING FOOTPRINT MAY BE INCREASED BY ANOTHER FIVE FEET. SO THEY'VE USED A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THOSE IN ORDER TO GET TO THE HEIGHTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO YOU CAN UNEQUIVOCALLY, MR. TATE COMMIT THAT THERE IS NO VIEW WHATSOEVER INTO THIS SECOND STORY LOUNGE AREA. AND TO, TO SAY THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY LIGHT SPILLAGE SEEMS OPTIMISTIC UNDER THE BEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES. HOW, HOW, HOW CAN YOU PROVIDE GREATER COMFORT ABOUT THAT ASPECT? UH, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ? UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE PROV REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WHICH WAS PART OF WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PACKAGE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IS A, A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN. AND WHAT THAT PHOTOMETRIC PLAN DOES, UH, IS IDENTIFY POINTS OF LIGHT THROUGHOUT THE SITE BASED ON WHERE OUR LIGHT FIXTURES ARE. UH, AND THERE THE, THE TERM THAT'S USED IS, UH, FOOT CANDLES. AND, AND SO THE, AS IT RELATES TO LIGHTS, SPILLAGE OVER THE PROPERTY LINE, THE TERM THAT WOULD BE USED IS ZERO FOOT CANDLES OF THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH MEANS THERE IS NO LIGHTS SPILLAGE GOING BEYOND THAT LINE. I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME POINTS IN OUR, AND AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE OUR PHOTOMETRIC PLAN IN FRONT OF ME. I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME POINTS WHERE IT'S MAYBE 0.2, 0.1, BUT AS A GENERAL MATTER, OUR PROJECT WILL HAVE ZERO FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINE ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROJECT IN TERMS OF THE, THE LUMINESCENCE BEYOND THE PROPERTY. OKAY. AND THE LAST TIME THAT YOU HELD COMMUNITY MEETINGS WAS IN 21, I THINK YOU SAID LATER, LATE 21, DECEMBER OF 21. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS A DIFFERENT DESIGN ESSENTIALLY THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN FRONT OF US COUNCIL MEMBER FULTON. IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, THIS IS WHERE I'M, I'M GOING ON THE HEIGHT QUESTION BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD THE, THE POLES OUT THERE AND WHATNOT. WOULD THAT STILL BE THE SAME COMPARISON TODAY AS IT WAS THEN, OR IT'S A DIFFERENT NOW, COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ, IT'S THE SAME. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY MINOR INCREMENTAL CHANGES, BUT ONLY FOR THE BETTER IN TERMS OF HEIGHT JUST TO BRING THOSE HEIGHTS INTO COMPLIANCE. BUT THE BUILDINGS AREN'T EXACTLY THE SAME PLACES THAT THEY WERE [01:30:01] ON THAT SITE PLAN AS THEY ARE ON THIS SITE PLAN. AND FRANKLY, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED BETWEEN THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN AT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN 2021, AND THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS THAT IT HAS 12 FEWER HOTEL ROOMS. SO THE PLAN THAT WE PROPOSED, THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THAT MEETING IN DECEMBER OF 2021, HAD 122 HOTEL ROOMS. BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, THE BUILDINGS, THE ORIENTATION, THE LOCATIONS, THE HEIGHTS, EVERYTHING OTHER THAN REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF HOTEL ROOMS WAS THE SAME. AND I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THAT MEETING STANDING AT THE PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE FOUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES SHOWING THE POLE AND BEING ABLE TO SEE IMPACT ON THE VIEW. I DON'T BELIEVE WE TOOK ANY PICTURES AT THAT MEETING. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A MISS. OKAY. UM, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE PROPERTY IN THE NUMBER OF INSTANCES, THE ROOF'S BEING SOLAR READY, WHY SOLAR READY AND NOT JUST GO AHEAD AND KEEP, KEEP GOING WITH THE SOLAR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ, ONCE YOU START ADDING THE PV PANELS TO THE BUILDINGS, THAT BECOMES A CONSIDERABLE ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT. UH, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF THE PANELS THEMSELVES, BUT ALSO THE STORAGE. BECAUSE YOU WOULD, IN, IN ORDER TO FULLY CAPTURE THAT, YOU WOULD PROBABLY ALSO WANT SOME BATTERY STORAGE ON PROPERTY. AND SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT INTO THE MILLIONS OF AN ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT TO PUT SOLAR ON ALL OF THOSE BUILDING ROOFTOPS. SO THE IDEA BEHIND DOING THE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THAT ONCE THE PROJECT GETS BUILT, ONCE IT'S STABILIZED, ONCE WE HAVE A, A BETTER SENSE OF THE ONGOING ECONOMICS OF THE PROJECT, IF IT'S VIABLE TO DO SOLAR, AND PARTICULARLY IF IT MAKES FINANCIAL SENSE, THEN IT'S VERY EASY TO, AT THAT POINT MAKE THE INVESTMENT AND INSTALL THEM. OKAY. AND WHEN WE SPOKE LAST WEEK, UH, FRIDAY, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS DOOR KNOCKING GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU MENTIONED IT AGAIN JUST NOW, AND YOU SAID YOU KNOCKED ON EVERY DOOR. HOW MANY DOORS OPENED TO YOUR PEOPLE? SO, UH, THAT WASN'T ME PERSONALLY. THAT WAS RIGHT. UH, ABBY FROM OUR TEAM RIGHT HERE, AND I BELIEVE ONE OF HER COLLEAGUES, UH, SHE COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU BETTER THAN I COULD HOW MANY DOORS OPENED TO US. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ASK, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DID YOU ACTUALLY SPEAK TO, AND I ASSUME YOU KEPT SOME RUNNING TALLY OF THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF DOORS OPEN. CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST SIT UP BY THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? EVERYTHING'S RECORDED, AUDIO AND VIDEO. THANK YOU. HELLO. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF DOORS OPENED AS A LOT OF MY OUTREACH WAS VERY ORGANIC, SO AS I WAS AT ONE DOOR, MAYBE ANOTHER NEIGHBOR WALKED UP. BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF STRONG SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION, IT WAS FAIRLY EVEN MOST PEOPLE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND HAD YET TO DECIDE THEIR POSITION. SO HOW MANY DOORS OVERALL ARE THERE? THERE'S 114. 114. OKAY. I'D SAY ROUGHLY 30 OPENED. OKAY. OKAY. UM, MAYOR, I THINK I'LL STOP THERE FOR THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILOR DUNN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA START WITH CARRIE. HI CARRIE. HI. UM, PROBABLY SICK OF ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA START WITH YOU BECAUSE I'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY THAT THIS IS THE MOST RESPONSIBLE USE OF THIS LAND COMPARED TO WHAT OTHER BY RIGHT. I ITEMS COULD BE BUILT THERE. MM-HMM. . SO I JUST WANT TO GET CLARITY, NOT JUST FOR MYSELF, BUT BASICALLY FOR EVERYONE. MM-HMM. WHAT COULD BE BUILT ON THAT LAND BY, RIGHT. UM, WITHOUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVER SHOW UP IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE WAYS FOR IT TO SHOW UP IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, BUT GENERALLY IT WOULD NOT SHOW UP BECAUSE THERE'S NO ZONE CHANGE REQUIRED. SO I'M GONNA THROW SOME STUFF OUT TO YOU AND YOU CAN JUST SAY, WELL, YES, NO, OR I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THAT WOULD BE PERFECTLY FINE. UM, AND IT MIGHT EVEN BE TRUE. SO ON THE RM TWO, THIS IS BASICALLY MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY, RIGHT? SO MULTIFAMILY FOR PEOPLE MM-HMM. TO BE CLEAR. RIGHT? SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH YOU, UM, WHICH MAYBE I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD, IS THAT THAT ENTIRE SIX ACRES COULD BE BUILT OUT AS HIGH TO MEDIUM, MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY, UM, MULTIFAMILY, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE RM TWO PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS LIMITED TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE. AS WE DEFINED DENSITY IN THE CODE, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS A ONE-TO-ONE SMALL UNITS COUNT AS DIFFERENT. THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WOULD [01:35:01] HAVE THAT SAME 12 UNITS PER ACRE CAP UNLESS THERE WERE COMMITMENTS TO LONG-TERM RENTAL, UM, AVAILABILITY. UM, AT WHICH, IN WHICH CASE THERE IS NO CAP. OKAY. SO LET, LET ME BE VERY SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS IN THAT I, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THIS, UM, BASICALLY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SIX ACRES YOU COULD END UP WITH AROUND 70 UNITS. UM, THAT'S JUST SIX TIMES 12 VERY EASILY. YES, I WOULD SAY. YEAH. SO, SO THESE COULD BE UNITS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT ARE, SAY, BEING BUILT OVER BY THE MARRIOTT RESIDENCE INN, WHICH ARE TOWN HOME TYPE BUILDINGS. WOULD THAT BE, THOSE ARE, THAT'S A LOWER DENSITY THAN 12 UNITS PER ACRE. BUT YES, YOU COULD DO THAT ON THE SITE. OKAY. SO, UM, THESE ARE ALL BASICALLY THEY'RE PRIVATE RESIDENCES THAT HAPPEN TO BE TOWN HOMES. AND BECAUSE ONCE THOSE ARE BUILT, THOSE COULD BE TURNED INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS BECAUSE THEY ARE PRIVATELY OWNED HOUSES, WHICH CURRENTLY WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT ARE DONE WITH THEM LATER. IS THIS TRUE? YES. IF THEY ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED TOWN HOMES, THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO RESET THEM. SO WE COULD IN ESSENCE, END UP WITH 70 SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT EXIST ON THAT PROPERTY. JUST SAYING IT'S A, IT'S FEASIBLE FOR BUY, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID THEY WANTED TO BUILD, UM, HOUSING, HOUSING APARTMENTS, UM, ON THERE, THEN DOES THAT NUMBER GO UP? YES. IF THEY ARE WILLING TO RESTRICT THEM FOR LONG-TERM RENTALS AND THERE IS NO SHORT-TERM RENTAL THERE ON THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, THERE WOULD BE NO MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE RESTRICTED BASED ON HEIGHT AND PARKING AND ALL THOSE OTHER TYPES OF REQUIREMENTS. SO YOU COULD END UP WITH A COMPLEX, I REALIZE IT'S A, IT'S A SMALLER, BUT IF ANYONE'S BEEN OUT IN COTTONWOOD, YOU'VE SEEN WHERE THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING THAT MASSIVE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS ON OLD 89 A. SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD GO UP BASED ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN TO COTTONWOOD. I DO. ALL RIGHT. KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YES, THE MULTIFAMILY IS A PERMITTED USE ON THIS PROPERTY. CORRECT. AND THAT'S REALLY ONLY LIMITED BY, UH, HOW HIGH YOU CAN GO AND HOW MUCH PARKING YOU CAN SUPPORT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, UM, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT OTHER COMMERCIAL USES. SO, UM, MR. TATE, YOU SPOKE OF THE, YOU COULD PUT A, A TRADITIONAL SHOPPING CENTER THERE. UM, AND OF COURSE THAT COULD BE TWO LEVELS, UM, POTENTIALLY DEPENDING ON THE HEIGHT. MM-HMM. . UM, SINCE THE HOTEL IS TWO LEVELS, THAT'S WHY I'M JUST SAYING THAT. AND THAT COULD HAVE, UM, ANY NUMBER OF SMALL STORES THAT ARE IN THERE. UM, AND ANY AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT FITS WHATEVER THE CODE SAYS YOU CAN HAVE TO SUPPORT THE PARKING. IS THAT? YES. AND SO I KNOW SOMEONE HAD ASKED A QUESTION AND HANUKAH AND I WERE LOOKING AT SOME NUMBERS YESTERDAY AND TAKING THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING HERE, AND IF ALL OF THAT WERE CONVERTED TO RETAIL, UM, AT A TRADITIONAL RETAIL PARKING RATE, THEY WOULD NEED MORE PARKING THAN THEY ARE CURRENTLY PROVIDING. SO THERE WOULD BE MORE PARKING. AND SO POTENTIALLY BUILDINGS WOULD BE LESS. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT YES, YOU COULD DO A RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER WITH, BUT I COULD ALSO BUILD PERHAPS A LARGE, UM, RESTAURANT WITH A BAR. RIGHT. AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE PARKING, WHICH WOULD TAKE UP DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE SITE. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S CAN BE HARD TO ACTUALLY SAY ACTUAL NUMBERS 'CAUSE YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW HOW EVERYTHING'S GONNA WORK OUT. CORRECT. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY PARK WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. MM-HMM. , WHICH IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT PEOPLE WILL PARK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IN ORDER TO, TO USE A FACILITY. AND OF COURSE THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER PARKING LOTS SORT OF IN THE GENERAL AREA. UM, SO, UH, YEAH, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS REALLY CLEAR TO PEOPLE WE COULD END UP WITH REALLY DENSE HOUSING IN THERE BY RIGHT. UM, AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EVER COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S BY RIGHT. WE COULD END UP WITH SHOPPING CENTERS THERE. SO JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUILDING THERE THAT MAY NEVER COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE BY RIGHT. AND THIS IS COMING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S A ZONING CHANGE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WERE AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCE OF BUYRIGHT VERSUS THE FACT THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR A ZONE CHANGE. UM, I, I DON'T, I ASSUME AT THIS POINT IT'S REALLY, I'M GONNA SWITCH OVER TO BEN. THANK YOU CARRIE. I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS. UM, SO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT, YOU SPOKE OF IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HOTEL, YOUR PUBLIC BENEFIT, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO AGREE THAT THERE IS A SUFFICIENT, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO, TO WARRANT THIS CHANGE AND, [01:40:01] AND THEREFORE NOT, UM, HONOR THE ORIGINAL STIPULATION AROUND THE CFA IS THIS, THIS WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHICH, UM, WE HONESTLY STILL DON'T KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAYOUT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE. WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU PLAN ON DOING RENT CONTROL, UM, SO THAT THE RENTS DON'T JUST KEEP GOING UP AND UP LIKE THEY HAVE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT, THAT TO ME, I STILL FEEL IS UNCLEAR. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE APARTMENT GONNA COST? WHAT ARE THE FLOOR PLANS? WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA PARK? SO YOU TALK ABOUT VALET PARKING, ARE YOU EXPECTING THE RESIDENTS TO ALSO DO VALET PARKING COUNCIL'S MEMBER DONE? NO. SO THE, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THE PARKING IS BROKEN DOWN BY, BY USE AND ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING IS DONE STRICTLY TO CODE. SO THERE'S A REQUIREMENT OF ONE SPACE PER STUDIO, 1.25 SPACES FOR ONE BEDROOM, 1.75 SPACES PER TWO BEDROOM. WE ARE PARKING TO CODE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ON ALL OF THOSE USES. OKAY. AND YOU TALKED ABOUT EVS. UM, WILL THE EVS, UH, ALSO BE EXTENDED TO APARTMENTS OR THE EVS ONLY LIKE INSIDE THE PARKING GARAGE? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN? NO. SO IF, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAYOUT ON THE PARKING STRUCTURE, THERE ARE FOUR ON THE UPPER LEVEL, FOUR ON THE LOWER LEVEL, AND THEN TWO ON THE SURFACE PARKING AREA IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. AND SO THEY'RE SPREAD OUT FAIRLY EVENLY OF THE, OF THE, OF THE INITIAL 10 WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING THE CHARGING STATIONS, UH, FAIRLY EVENLY THROUGHOUT THE SITE. SO THEY WILL BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. SO ON THE RESIDENTIAL, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT, AND YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF LOUD IT IS THE GREEN, HOW GREEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE, THE STANDARDS YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE TO, BUT YOU KEEP MENTIONING THE HOTEL AS BEING, UM, LIVING UP TO THESE HIGH STANDARDS, WHICH OF COURSE IS GREAT FOR YOUR UTILITY BILLS. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RESIDENTS? ARE THOSE ALSO GOING TO BE UP TO THE SAME STANDARD? ARE YOU THINKING THAT THOSE WOULD BE AT A DIFFERENT STANDARD BECAUSE OF THE COST OF BUILDING THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE SUSTAINABILITY, UH, ELEMENTS ARE BROKEN OUT IN THE LETTER OF INTENT, THERE IS A NUMBER, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT RELATE TO THE GREEN BUILDING PRACTICES FOR THE HOTEL. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I WOULD SAY FOR THE MOST PART ARE EXCLUSIVE TO THE HOTEL. WITH THE ONLY NOTABLE EXCEPTION BEING THE WATER BOTTLE FILL STATIONS, WHICH WOULD, THOSE FIVE FILL STATIONS WOULD ALSO BE IN THE HOTEL. EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. SO BUILDING TO A LEAD SILVER STANDARD IS NOT JUST FOR THE HOTEL, THAT IS FOR ALL OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY, THE LEAK DETECTION DEVICES ON THE WATER LINES, THAT IS FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. SO IT'S PERHAPS WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB. I WOULD HAVE TO, I DON'T HAVE THE LOI IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I, I BELIEVE IT'S FAIRLY SELF-EVIDENT WHICH ONES ARE MEANT FOR EVERYTHING VERSUS, VERSUS WHICH ONES ARE MEANT FOR THE HOTEL. BUT I COULD BE WRONG. OKAY. SO TO ME THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF WELL SELF-SUSTAINING BUILDINGS, WHICH YOU'RE BUILDING FOR THE HOTEL. WOULD WE BE BUILDING THIS FOR FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AS WELL? SO JUST ADDING IN ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IMPACTED BY THE VIEW SHED, I THINK THIS IS WHERE COUNCILOR FOLTZ WAS TRYING TO GO IS, UM, WITH THE POLL QUESTION IS, UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE'S VIEW SHEDS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND YOU? UH, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN, BUT IF I THINK IN TERMS OF THE PHYSICAL LAYOUT OF THE SITE AND WHERE THIS SITE MEETS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SLOPE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU MOVE UP FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT REALLY THE ONLY HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE, I SHOULD SAY THE ONLY HOMES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE ANY MEANINGFUL IMPACT TO THEIR VIEWS WOULD BE THE FOUR HOMES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE. RIGHT IN THAT SMALL CUL-DE-SAC IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. AS SOON AS YOU MOVE NORTH OF THOSE FOUR HOMES, IF YOU AND YOU LOOK AT WHERE OUR BUILDINGS ARE RELATIVE TO WHAT WE ARE AROUND IT, YOU VERY QUICKLY START TO RISE ABOVE OR EVEN WITH THOSE ROOFTOPS AS JUST FROM THE WAY THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SLOPES AND THE WAY THAT OUR BUILDINGS SLOPE AWAY FROM THE SITE. THE NEAREST BUILDING THAT WE HAVE FOR THE HOTEL TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THE NEAREST CORNER OF THE TREE HOUSE SUITES IS 50 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THE NEAREST LODGING BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE THAT WEST WING, AND CARRIE CAN CORRECT ME IF MY NUMBER IS A LITTLE BIT OFF HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 130 AND 150 FEET. AND SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT INITIAL DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND AS SOON AS YOU START MOVING AWAY FROM THAT HOME TO THE SOUTH AND THE BUILDINGS START SLOPING DOWN THE HILL TO THE NORTH, IT GETS BETTER IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. AND OUR MULTIFAMILY SOUTH, WHICH ARE THE ONLY OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE NEAR THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THAT IS PROPERTY STILL OWNED BY THE BILES. THERE ARE NO HOMES IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE MULTIFAMILY SOUTH BUILDINGS. OKAY. SO, SO ANOTHER QUESTION IS, THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT RESIDENTS AND, UM, YOU [01:45:01] KNOW, GUESTS SORT OF WANDERING OVER INTO THIS, THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHAT, IF ANYTHING, WERE ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT PLACING ON YOUR SIDE OF THE LINE TO SORT OF GIVE THE PEOPLE THE INDICATION THAT THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE MOVING BEYOND THAT PROPERTY LINE THAT COULD, I DON'T KNOW IF TREES A WALL, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING FRANKLY. COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME ANYONE'S ASKED US THAT QUESTION. UM, IT'S, WELL, I'M GLAD TO BE A FIRST. SO, WELL IT'S, IT'S, IT, I MEAN FRANKLY IT CAN BE AWFULLY HARD TO CONTROL HUMAN BEHAVIOR. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU CAN GIVE PEOPLE VISUALS CLUES. SURE. UM, I, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS IF IT, IF IT'S SIGNAGE, IF WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IF THAT HAD TO BE A SIGN THAT WE PUT ON THE INTERSECTION OF SOLDIERS PAST THE SOLDIERS PASS CONNECTOR AND SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, WE'D CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO THAT. LIKE, AS I ALREADY MENTIONED BEFORE, JUST EVEN PUTTING A SIGN DIRECTING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC BACK TOWARDS 89 A IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE OPEN TO. IN FACT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UH, WITH THE, THE BOARD AT THE BPOE WHEN I MET WITH THEM A MONTH AGO, UH, WAS THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDITION OF THE ELK ROAD VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THAT DRIVEWAY. UH, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE OFFERED TO THEM, BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT INCREASING THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THAT THEY ALREADY GET FOR PEOPLE USING ELK ROAD TO GET THROUGH THE ELKS LODGE PARKING LOT AND THEN OUT TO AIRPORT ROAD, UH, WAS THAT WE WOULD PUT A SIGN AGAIN ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT SAID LEFT TURN ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, NO THROUGH STREET, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO INDICATE TO PEOPLE EXITING THE PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE, UH, THAT THERE'S NOWHERE TO GET THROUGH IF YOU TURN RIGHT. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND, UM, I'LL JUST ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION RIGHT NOW, AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE BEEN READING ON THE, UM, EMAILS THAT I'VE SEEN FROM RESIDENTS IS THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU SAY THE RESTAURANT, THE BAR, THE CONFERENCE ROOM ONLY FOR GUESTS OR 50% OF THE RESTAURANT FOR GUESTS, BUT GUESTS HAVE GUESTS. SO IF THERE IS AN EVENT IN TOWN WHERE THERE ARE OTHER GUESTS STAYING AT OTHER HOTELS, UM, I DON'T HOW ARE YOU GONNA CONTROL THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GET MORE PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY THAN THE GUESTS IN THE RESIDENCE? I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW THE QUESTION. WOULD YOU MIND? SURE. SO SOMEONE'S HAVING A WEDDING IN TOWN. MM-HMM. , UM, THEY, THEY'RE, SOME GUESTS ARE STAYING AT YOUR PROPERTY AND SOME GUESTS ARE STAYING, WHO KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE STAYING, RIGHT? THEY'RE STAYING SOMEWHERE AND THOSE PEOPLE SAY, HEY, COME ON OVER TO OUR PLACE FOR DINNER OR LET'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GO AND WE'RE ALL, WE'RE RENTING A CONFERENCE ROOM SO WE CAN ALL MEET. NOW YOU HAVE MORE CARS THAN YOU HAVE GUESTS AND RESIDENTS BECAUSE THOSE GUESTS ARE GUESTS OF GUESTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. RIGHT. SO I'M I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE YOU, YOU SAY THAT IT'S LIMITED TO GUESTS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY LIMITED TO GUESTS, IT'S JUST THE RENTAL OR OR NON RESERVATIONS ARE LIMITED TO GUESTS AND YOU COULD FILL YOUR RESTAURANT WITH GUESTS AND THEIR GUESTS. SO ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE'VE AT LEAST TRIED TO MITIGATE THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT HAPPENING, AT LEAST AS IT RELATES TO THE RESTAURANT AND THE LOUNGE IS SO 50% OF THE RESTAURANT SPACE IS LIMIT, IS LIMITED TO GUESTS AT ALL TIMES. MEANING THAT AT A, AT A BARE MINIMUM, 50% OF THE CAPACITY FOR BOTH THE LA THROUGH OUR RESERVATION SYSTEM, 50% OF THE CAPACITY FOR BOTH THE RESTAURANT AND THE LOUNGE IS ALWAYS RESERVED FOR GUESTS. BUT 50% ISN'T ALWAYS RESERVED FOR THE PUBLIC. SO THAT IF ESSENTIALLY THE, THE GUEST PERCENTAGE CAN GO BEYOND 50% BECAUSE THOSE ARE PEOPLE ALREADY STAYING ON PROPERTY WHO WERE NOT GONNA BE ADDING ADDITIONAL CARS TO THE PARKING LOT. IF THEY MAKE RESERVATIONS THAT WOULD EXCEED THAT 50%, BUT THE RESERVATION SYSTEM WOULD NEVER ALLOW THE PUBLIC PERCENTAGE TO CREEP THE OTHER DIRECTION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THAT THERE COULD CERTAINLY BE SCENARIOS WHERE GUESTS ARE OCCUPYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE RESTAURANT OR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE LOUNGE, BUT THEN WHEN A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TRIED TO MAKE A RESERVATION, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, CAN I JUST ONE MORE, I JUST HAVE ONE. GO FOR IT. ONE MORE. SO, UM, I WENT THROUGH, UM, CARRIE'S BRILLIANTLY COLOR CODED LIST OF CFA AND THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE LOOKED AT THE PACKET, YOU SAW THE CFA CHECKLIST, UM, WHICH, UH, OUR STAFF WILL GO THROUGH TO SEE COMPLIANCE, PARTIAL COMPLIANCE AND NON-COMPLIANCE. AND SO I'M REFERENCING ONLY THAT, NOT THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, CHECKLIST 'CAUSE THIS IS ABOUT THE CFA AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS MEETS THE CFA. UM, WHEN I WENT THROUGH THAT, AND CARRIE CORRECT ME IF I'VE GOT MY NUMBERING WRONG, BUT I CAME UP WITH 16 FULLY COMPLIANT ITEMS, 13 PARTIALLY COMPLIANT ITEMS, AND FOUR NON-COMPLIANT ITEMS. SO ON THE OVERALL SCORE, YOU HAVE MORE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANT THAN ARE COMPLIANT. SO HOW ARE YOU GUYS THINKING [01:50:01] ABOUT THAT? SO LOOK AT MY PRESENTATION BACK UP . OKAY. SO ACCORDING TO MY MATH, UH, OF THE, WHAT IS THAT 34 TOTAL 21 WERE FULLY COMPLIANT, 11 WERE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT, ONE WAS NOT APPLICABLE AND ONE WAS NON-COMPLIANT. UM, OF THE 11 THAT WERE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT. FRANKLY, I THINK THAT, AND I, THIS WAS A VERY LARGE PORTION OF MY VERY TEDIOUS PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN FEBRUARY TO WHICH I ATTENDED, JUST SO THAT YOU , UH, ARE SOMEWHERE. FRANKLY, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW THE ANSWER BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME WHERE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING COULD BE CONSIDERED PARTIALLY COMPLIANT. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. OH, THERE, IT'S SO SOLAR. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE STRATEGIES WITHIN THE SOLDIERS PASS, CFA. AND WHAT THE STRATEGY SAYS IS THAT THE USE OF SOLAR ENERGY IN BUILDING DESIGNS FOR ENERGY, HEATING AND LIGHTING IS ENCOURAGED. ENCOURAGED IS A VERY BROAD WORD IN TERMS OF IT'S NOT REQUIRED. IT'S NOT A SHELL, IT'S NOT A SHOULD. IT'S THAT THE USE OF SOLAR IS ENCOURAGED. WE ARE NOT ONLY PROVIDING SOLAR, WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT TO PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON THE PARKING CANOPIES AND EVEN PUTTING THE LOI WHAT WE EXPECT THOSE SOLAR PANELS TO POWER AND GONE A STEP FURTHER. AND AS I MENTIONED, ALSO PUTTING SOLAR INFRASTRUCTURE ON ALL OF THE BUILDING ROOFTOPS. AND I, FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S PARTIALLY COMPLIANT. AND SO SHOULD WE JUST ASK CARRIE? THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. SURE. IT'S PARTIALLY COMPLIANT BECAUSE IN WHEN OUR SUSTAINABILITY STAFF REVIEWED IT, THEY SAID THAT A COMMITMENT TO PUTTING SOLAR ON THE BUILDING WOULD BE WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND. UM, AGAIN, AS IT SAYS IN YOUR AGENDA, BILL, AND AS I MAY HAVE GLOSSED OVER IN MY PRESENTATION, NO ONE PROJECT IS EVER EXPECTED TO BE FULLY COMPLIANT IN ALL, IN ALL AREAS. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PROJECTS ARE GONNA LEND THEMSELVES TO COMPLIANCE IN DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT WITHOUT, THE ONLY TIME THAT WE WOULD SAY THIS FULLY COMPLIANT IS IF THEY ARE COMMITTING TO SOLAR ENERGY. AND WE, AND THEY DIDN'T, THEY SAID THEY'LL MAKE THEM SOLAR READY. AND SO IT'S PARTIALLY COMPLIANT. UM, IT'S UP TO THE COM THE COUNCIL, THE COMMISSION, AND THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE IF THIS IS THE, THE CODE ALLOWS THE DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE CFA PLAN, IF THEY FEEL THE PUBLIC BENEFIT OUTWEIGHS THE NON-COMPLIANCE. AND SO IN OUR EVALUATION, WE, UM, REVIEW EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKES THEIRS. AND THEN CITY COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION GIVEN ALL OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH. THANK, THANK YOU COUNCILOR JOHN, VICE MAYOR. I REALLY WANNA GET TO THE PUBLIC, SO I'M GOING TO ASK A FEWER QUESTIONS AS, AND SAVE THINGS FOR COMMENTS LATER. UH, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT REALLY TROUBLES ME. THIS IS TO BEN, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WANT A SIDEWALK BEYOND YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY IN THREE YEARS. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT, UM, YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT THAT DISTURBED ME THAT, WELL, WE TALKED TO THEM AND NOTHING'S REALLY MUCH DIFFERENT. I, I, THAT, THAT DIDN'T SIT WELL WITH ME AT ALL. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I THINK ONGOING DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AND THINGS DO CHANGE. IT'S THREE YEARS, THAT'S A LONG TIME. UH, AND SO THE SECOND THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT IS, UM, THAT, THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN IT EASIER. I, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE KNOCKED ON ALL THE DOORS AND SAID YOU THOUGHT YOU'D SPOKEN TO 30 PEOPLE. WE'VE GOTTEN OVER 30 EMAILS. THEY'RE NOT 50 50. I COULD TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE ONE EMAIL THAT WAS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. SO IF YOU HAD, AND, AND I KNOW I'M PONTIFICATING A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT REALLY DISTURBED ME BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE LEARNED A LOT FROM COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD PUT YOU IN A BETTER POSITION TODAY THAN YOU'RE [01:55:01] CURRENTLY IN. SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT TO YOU. UM, TRAFFIC IS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE AS, AS WELL AS FITTING WITHIN A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND A FIT OF A LARGE PROJECT WITHIN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. UH, SO YOU SHOWED US A SLIDE BEFORE THAT YOU KIND OF GLOSSED OVER. CAN WE COME BACK TO THAT WITH YOUR, IF THERE WERE OTHER USES FOR THE PROPERTY, THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE GREATLY INCREASED. 'CAUSE I THINK, AS I SAID, TRAFFIC IS A BIG ISSUE FOR ME AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, AND I'D LIKE THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THOSE NUMBERS AND JUST GIVE ONE OR TWO EXAMPLES. SURE. UH, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. UM, SO AGAIN, WHAT I ASKED OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO DO WAS TO TAKE THE AVAILABLE LOCK COVERAGE THAT YOU GET WITHIN COMMERCIAL AND THEN APPLY THAT TO FOUR SCENARIOS BASED ON WHAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT, 75%, 50%, AND 25% OF THE AVAILABLE LOT COVERAGE THAT YOU GET WITH COMMERCIAL ZONING. GRANTED A HUNDRED PERCENT AND PROBABLY EVEN 75% ISN'T A REALISTIC NUMBER AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, JUST BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF BUILDINGS THAT WOULD OCCUPY THAT SPACE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE LEFT TO PARK IT, BUT HAD 'EM RUN THESE FOUR SCENARIOS REGARDLESS. AND THEN BASED ON THOSE SQUARE FOOTAGES ASSIGN USES TO THEM THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. AND SO THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. SHOPPING PLAZA, HIGH TURNOVER RESTAURANT, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, COFFEE SHOP, GAS STATION, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. AND THEN DIVIDE THOSE AMONG THE AVAILABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU WOULD GET WITH THE, THE A HUNDRED FIFTY, SEVENTY FIVE, FIFTY AND 25% LOT COVERAGE. AND THEN TAKE THOSE NUMBERS AND USING THE ITE MANUAL, WHICH IS A INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED STANDARD FOR TRIP GENERATION BASED ON REAMS OF DATA FROM AROUND THE WORLD, IT PROVIDES PROJECTIONS FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THOSE USES WOULD GENERATE ON A DAILY BASIS. AND SO AT A HUNDRED PERCENT LOT COVERAGE, WHICH AGAIN, NOT REALISTIC, IT WOULD RESULT IN 14,478 TOTAL DAILY TRIPS IN AND OUT OF THE SITE IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME AT 75% LOT COVERAGE, WHICH WOULD BE 45 COMMERCIAL, 45% COMMERCIAL LOT COVERAGE IN 12 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, AGAIN DIVIDED AMONG THOSE USES 12,182 DAILY TRIPS OVER THE COURSE OF A 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME AT 50% OF THE AVAILABLE LOT COVERAGE, IT'S 9,000 TRIPS OVER THE COURSE OF 24 HOURS AT 15%. SO 25% OF THE AVAILABLE LOCK COVERAGE, IT'S 6,000 TRIPS OVER THE COURSE OF 24 HOURS. WHEN YOU COMPARE EVEN, AGAIN, THE LEAST INTENSE OF THOSE FOUR SCENARIOS, WHICH IS 15% LOCK COVERAGE WITH 12 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY AND 6,000 TRIPS TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 1,374 TRIPS OVER THE COURSE OF A 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME IN AND OUT, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS IN OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. SO THAT'S ROUGHLY BETWEEN 1374 AND 6,002, ROUGHLY FOUR AND A HALF TIMES THE TRAFFIC AT 15% COMMERCIAL LOT COVERAGE. CARRIE, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH OUR EXPERIENCE? I MIGHT HAVE HANUKAH WEIGH IN 'CAUSE SHE'S MORE OF THE TRAFFIC EXPERT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PULLED SOME NUMBERS OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, UM, WHAT WE FOUND WAS LIKE THE MARIPOSA SITE, IS IT 10% LOT COVERAGE BETWEEN, AND THEN IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, YOU KIND OF KNOW HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH LAND EXTRA LAND MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. UM, I THINK 25% IS GENERALLY, IF IT'S ALL RETAIL, YOU'RE USUALLY AROUND 25% TO MAKE IT WORK. BUT AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY LOOKED AT ANY SITE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY FIT ON THE LOT FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. UH, ANNIKA YOU WANNA YEAH, IF I MAY COMMENT OR ADD TO THAT, THE PROBLEM WITH THEIR COMPARISONS IS THAT, AND, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH TO BEN FOR SENDING THAT TO ME YESTERDAY BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO REVERSE CALCULATE, UM, THE PROBLEM WITH THEIR, UM, COMPARISON IS WE KNOW THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDINGS AND IS IT ACTUALLY FEASIBLE TO PUT ON THIS SITE? UM, SO I I REVERSE CALCULATED FROM THEIR, UM, TRAFFIC TO SEE WHAT KIND OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IS AND IT IS FEASIBLE, UM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU CONSIDER, UM, PARKING STRUCTURES AND VARIOUS SOLUTIONS LIKE THAT, WHICH THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS TOO. SO IT IS, IT IS FEASIBLE. SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, THE NUMBERS MAKE SENSE TO YOU? THEY DO. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THE, IN OUR AGENDA BILL AND THROUGHOUT, UH, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS [02:00:01] AND STAFF'S COMMENTS IS THE NEED FOR THE, SEE, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ALL REALLY SQUISHY AND THINGS ARE CHANGING CONSTANTLY. UH, SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE'RE READY TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T FEEL TO ME COMPLETE AND THERE'S A LOT OF, OF COMMITMENTS THAT AREN'T IN WRITING. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND TYPICALLY WE WOULD HAVE THAT BEFORE US WHEN WE'RE VOTING ON A REZONE, SO WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING AND EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMITMENTS ARE, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO WHY HAVEN'T YOU PROPOSED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR ALL THESE MONTHS? VICE MAYOR PLU AS, AS YOU NOTED, UM, ESPECIALLY AS WE MOVED FROM THE NOVEMBER PNZ TO THE FEBRUARY PNZ AND THEN EVEN THE CHANGES BETWEEN FEBRUARY NOW AS IT RELATES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, THINGS ARE CHANGING AND, AND ESPECIALLY AS WE BETTER UNDERSTAND CERTAINLY WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COUNCIL ARE FOR THIS PROJECT, IF WE ARE, IF WE HAVE A HOPE OF GETTING APPROVED. AND SO IF YOU CONSIDER THAT P AND Z APPROVED THIS ON FEBRUARY 6TH, I BELIEVE WE MET WITH THE HOUSING MANAGER A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER THAT AND THEN HAD TO RUN OUR INTERNAL NUMBERS TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER COMMITTING TO ALL 40 AFFORDABLE EVEN WORKED FOR US. THERE WASN'T ENOUGH REALLY A LOT OF TIME THERE LEFT TO PUT TOGETHER A, A COHERENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THE COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD EXPECT TO SEE AND WOULD, WOULD, YOU KNOW, DEMAND TO SEE BEFORE THIS WOULD BE A DECISION THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD MAKE, THEN WE WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PREPARE THAT. IT, IT'S SOMETHING I EXPECT TO SEE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY COLLEAGUES WOULD FEEL ABOUT THAT. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE 'CAUSE IT, IT'S JUST TO TAG ON TO, BUT I'LL TAKE MY TERM TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND I LOST TRACK OF HOW MANY COMMENTS WE RECEIVED YESTERDAY, MAYBE 2030. UH, WELL THOUGHT OUT, REALLY GOOD COMMENTS, UH, JUST THIS WEEKEND ALONE, AND MANY OF THE COMMENTS HAD TO DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A COUPLE YEARS, THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU INPUT THAT YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. SO DOING IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND NOW YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A FAST PERIOD OF TIME, ANY COMMENTS YOU HAD FROM BEFORE MAY NOT BE THE SAME, BUT TO GO DOOR TO DOOR THE WEEKEND BEFORE, I JUST FEEL THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY A PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT, UH, PERIOD, UH, WAY TO GET PUBLIC OUTREACH. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, AND I THINK, UH, ABBY INTRODUCED HERSELF, UH, IT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR HER, IS THE DOOR THAT SHE WENT TO. HOW DOES SHE KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE WERE? BECAUSE IN THAT AREA NEXT DOOR TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A LOT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW, DID SHE CHECK, I HATE TO SAY CHECK ID, BUT HOW DID SHE KNOW THAT THEY, THEY WEREN'T GUESTS STAYING THERE, THAT THESE WERE OWNERS, THESE WERE PEOPLE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMENTS THAT SHE WAS GETTING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SHE COULD TALK FOR HERSELF OF COURSE, BUT TO ME THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN TO MANY OF THE PEOPLE HERE AS WELL AS TO ME. UH, MAYOR JALO, AND, AND I'LL ALLOW ABBY TO, TO SPEAK AS WELL. SO THE FIRST THING IS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ASKED FOR QUITE SOME TIME AGO FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST WAS A LIST OF ALL OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN SEDONA. AND THEN I COMPARED THAT LIST TO THE MAILING LIST FOR SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, SO, OR FOR THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE KNEW, WE ALREADY KNEW EXACTLY WHICH HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE REGISTERED AS SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO EVEN GOING INTO THE DOOR KNOCKING, THAT WAS A PIECE THAT WE HAD ALREADY WERE AWARE OF AND ADDRESSED. I'LL ALLOW ABBY TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND THEN I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO YOUR INITIAL COMMENTS AFTER THAT. AND I JUST HAVE ONE MORE ADD ON TO YOU. SURE. WHEN DID YOU PUT IN THAT REQUEST FOR THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS IN SADDLE ROCK AREA? I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I WANNA SAY IT WAS WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. OKAY. UH, BUT THAT NUMBER CHANGES VERY QUICKLY HERE. IT CONTINUES TO GO UP WITH CLOSE TO 17%. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, UNLESS IT'S REALLY ACCURATE AND CURRENT. IT MAY NOT BE, UH, REALLY, UH, APPROPRIATE. BUT GO AHEAD, ABBY. SO, YEAH. UM, SO I FOUND THROUGH PRACTICE GOING DOOR TO DOOR A LOT, LOT OF THEM WERE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO I STARTED MOST OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH, HI, DO YOU LIVE HERE FULL TIME? ARE YOU THE OWNER OF THIS HOME? UM, I ALSO, AS I BECAME ACQUAINTED WITH A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT, UM, DISCUSSED MY MY TRAIL, THAT WHAT I HAD TREKKED TO GETTING TO THEIR HOUSE AND, UM, VOICED [02:05:01] MY CONCERNS WITH HOW FEW PEOPLE WERE ANSWERING THE DOOR AND HOW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ANSWERING THE DOOR WERE ALSO NOT RESIDENTS. SO I ALSO LOOKED OVER THE MAP WITH SEVERAL OF THEM AND INDICATED LIKE, HEY, EIGHT HOUSES IN A ROW DID NOT ANSWER THE DOOR, OR HAD SOME SORT OF SUPPORT STAFF FOR AN AIRBNB ANSWER THE DOOR, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE? AND I'M NOT JUST OVERESTIMATING. AND I SAT DOWN WITH MULTIPLE RESIDENTS AND LOOKED AT MATTS, THIS IS A SHORT TERM RENTER. THIS RENTER IS A, THIS RENTER'S BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS, BUT THEY'RE LEAVING NEXT MONTH. THIS GUY'S SELLING HIS HOUSE. THIS. SO I, I HAD EX EXPANSIVE CONVERSATION WITH THE PEOPLE WHO I DID ENCOUNTER AND, UM, I TRIED MULTIPLE DOORS MULTIPLE TIMES IF I WALKED UP AND YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL VERSUS A HOME. AND IF I SENSED THAT IT WAS A HOME AND NOBODY WAS THERE THE FIRST OR SECOND DAY I WENT, I WENT BACK THE THIRD DAY AS WELL. SO WE MADE OUR ROUNDS . OKAY. SO BEN, YOU WANT TO FINISH UP AND THEN I'LL, I'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT COUNSELOR CHAIR. UH, SO THE COMMENT, THANK YOU, ABBY. SO THE COMMENT THAT I WANNA MAKE, AND IT'S, IT'S AN OFFER THAT I'LL CONT IF, IF, IF THIS CASE EXTENDS BEYOND TONIGHT AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO ADDITIONAL OUTREACH, I WILL HAPPILY SIT DOWN. WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, BUT I WILL MORE, I WOULD SIT DOWN WITH ANYONE WHO'S WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT WHAT I CAN'T DO IS FORCE PEOPLE TO DO IT. SO WHEN I HAVE, WHEN I, WHEN I SEND OUT LETTERS TO NOT ONLY OUR MAILING RADIUS, BUT EVERY HOME IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A MEETING THAT ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS WALK DOWN THE STREET TO ATTEND AND SEVEN PEOPLE SHOW UP. MM-HMM. , I CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING. AND SO WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE HOLD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WITH THE SAME MAILING LISTS THAT WE'VE SENT OUT, AND 19 PEOPLE ATTEND A VIRTUAL MEETING AND A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE ATTEND AN IN-PERSON MEETING, THE SIGNAL THAT SENDS TO ME IS THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INTEREST IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. ALL OF THIS INTEREST ABOUT THE PROJECT, ALL OF, ALL OF THE ATTENTION THAT IT'S GETTING, THIS IS ALL A VERY, VERY RECENT DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS ONLY OCCURRED MORE OR LESS SINCE THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED AT PNZ MM-HMM, . GOTCHA. AND THAT, THAT LAST OUTREACH THAT YOU DID, WHERE YOU ONLY HAD SEVEN PEOPLE, IT WAS 2021. YES. I THINK, WELL, I, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE YOU MY OPINION, BUT OKAY. I, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS I'LL RESERVE FOR LATER, BUT I WANNA MOVE FORWARD SO THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, I WANNA, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF, UM, SO THAT WE GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I I I DO HAVE TO SAY I, I, I DISAGREE. UH, WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, UM, THAT THIS IS VERY RECENT. I THINK THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THIS BEING RECENT THAT THERE'S COMMUNITY INTEREST IS THE LACK. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT YOU FIRST STARTED GIVING A PRESENTATION. I KNOW, I KNOW YOUR SECOND ONE WAS IN 2016, BUT WHAT WAS YOUR VERY FIRST ONE WHEN IT WAS UNDER THE NAME OF SADDLE ROCK COMMONS? WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? UH, AT THAT TIME I WASN'T EVEN INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT, SO I, I, I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. BUT AT THAT TIME, HOLD, SO SOLAR KINSELLA, THERE WERE APPLICATIONS THAT STARTED IN 2014 AND 20 16, 20 14. THANK YOU. UM, I STARTED WITH THE CITY IN 2012, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IF THERE WAS ANYTHING BEFORE THAT, BUT THERE WERE BOTH OF THOSE WENT THROUGH ESSENTIALLY A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW AND THEN WERE WITHDRAWN. RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT THERE WAS, IN 2014 AND 2016, THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME COMMUNITY INTEREST THEN. UM, I THINK THAT A LOT OF YEARS HAVE GONE BY, UH, WHERE THIS ISN'T RECENT, THIS IS JUST BECAUSE THE PROJECT HAS RESURFACED SOMEWHAT, SOMEWHAT RECENTLY. UM, BUT YOUR 2014 REQUEST THAT WAS REVIEWED AND WITHDRAWN BY YOURSELVES, THE APPLICANT WAS FOR 117 HOTEL ROOMS. THE 2016 REQUEST WAS FOR 120 HOTEL ROOMS, UM, ALSO WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES. SO AGAIN, AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING FOR 110 ROOMS. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE. I MEAN, YES, THE OTHER WERE MIXED USE. UH, THIS HAS GOT THE, THE HOUSING COMPONENT AS A LARGER PART OF IT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS ENOUGH SIGNIFICANCE THAT YOU ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GARNER YOU SOMEWHERE OVER A HUNDRED HOTEL ROOMS. SO, UM, IT JUST, JUST TO KNOW THAT I THINK THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN ONGOING SUPPORT SINCE, TO ME THERE'S STILL A SIMILARITY THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WANNA RESPOND TO THAT, BUT THAT WASN'T [02:10:01] REALLY A QUESTION. SO THAT WAS MY PREFACE. UM, COUPLE OF VERY, VERY BRIEF QUESTIONS, WHICH IS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LIVE MUSIC THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD COMMIT TONIGHT TO NO LIVE MUSIC UP ON THAT TERRACE, BUT CANNED MUSIC, PRERECORDED MUSIC CAN BE JUST AS LOUD AND JUST AS DISRUPTIVE AS LIVE MUSIC. SO, AND ALTHOUGH YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WOULD ALSO AGREE TO CEASE OPERATIONS AT 10 O'CLOCK, WELL, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WITH A BABY TRYING TO GO TO SLEEP, SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT NOT BE FEELING WELL, WHATEVER, AN EIGHT O'CLOCK DISTURBANCE CAN BE JUST AS DISTURBING AS A 10 30, 11 O'CLOCK DISTURBANCE. WOULD YOU COMMIT TO HAVING NO MUSIC CANNED LIVE OTHERWISE UP ON THAT TERRACE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA? WOULD THAT BE 24 HOURS A DAY OR JUST CEASE THE MUSIC EARLIER THAN 10:00 PM? I MEAN, UH, FOR THE POINT OF THIS QUESTION, LET'S JUST GO WITH ALWAYS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS. I THINK WHAT MAY BE A MORE, MAYBE MIDDLE GROUND SOLUTION IS THE WRONG WORD FOR IT, BUT WOULD BE COMMITTING TO A, A MAXIMUM DECIBEL LEVEL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER PROJECTS AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS, PARTICULARLY WITH ELEMENTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COMMONLY SEE WITH USE PERMITS FOR OUTDOOR DINING AND OUTDOOR RESTAURANTS AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHERE YOU COMMIT TO A MAXIMUM DECIBEL LEVEL OR YOU COMMIT TO TURNING OFF THE MUSIC AT A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, MAYBE EARLIER THAN 10:00 PM 'CAUSE CERTAINLY AT, YOU KNOW, THREE O'CLOCK ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON, I'M NOT SURE THAT MUSIC AT A REASONABLE DECIBEL LEVEL, 300 FEET AWAY IS GONNA BE A DISTURBANCE. OKAY. AND THE POOL AREA, IS THERE MUSIC THERE AS WELL? UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. NO. THERE'D BE NO SPEAKERS FOR MUSIC PLAYING. LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER RESORTS IN AREA DO HAVE MUSIC PLAYING AT THEIR POOLS FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THEIR GUESTS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE DO NOT HAVE MUSIC. THEY DO NOT HAVE MUSIC AT THEIR POOLS. THERE YOU GO. GUESTS LIKE, OKAY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. UM, CARRIE, IF THIS WAS APPROVED TONIGHT, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME IN WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE TO START THE PROJECT? PHYSICAL PHYSICALLY STARTED? UM, WELL, THERE'S CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO MEET, WHICH INCLUDE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ADDRESS A NUMBER OF THE ITEMS. BUT THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PORTION HAS A TIMEFRAME OF TWO YEARS FOR PERMITS TO BE ISSUED. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED AS REQUIRED BEFORE PERMITS ARE ISSUED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO. SO IT COULD GO TO TWO YEARS, AND THEN AT, AT THAT END OF THE TWO YEAR MARK, THERE COULD BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THEN WHAT WOULD THE TIMEFRAME BE FROM THERE? AND THIS GOES BACK TO MY CONCERNS THAT I PREFACED WITH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS ALL STARTED IN 2014, YET HERE WE ARE 10 YEARS LATER IN 2024 WITH, WITH A PROJECT THAT TO ME, AGAIN, HAS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES TO IT. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME THAT THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AND GONE THROUGH IN WHEN IT WAS ALLOWED UNDER THE, THE ZONING AT THAT TIME. SO, OKAY, WE GET TO TWO YEARS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? SO A PERMIT WOULD HAVE TO BE ISSUED WITHIN TWO YEARS. AND AGAIN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY PNC THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE A PERMIT IS ISSUED. UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, THE DEVELOP, THE PERMITS HAVE TO REMAIN ACTIVE, WHICH, UM, REQUIRES AN INSPECTION EVERY SIX MONTHS, UM, FOR THEM TO REMAIN ACTIVE. AND THE WAY THE CONDITIONS WERE WRITTEN, THE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETED FIRST BEFORE THE HOTEL UNITS, BUT THEY DID NOT PROPOSE ANY PHASING FOR ANYTHING. SO IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO, IT ALL BE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY. SO THO THOSE ARE ALL STANDARD TIMEFRAMES THAT I DON'T, THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THAT AT THE, AT PNZ. OKAY. I'M GONNA LEAVE MY QUESTIONS THERE BECAUSE A LOT HAVE BEEN ASKED, AND I WANNA MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG, BUT I, I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO MAYBE COME BACK FOR QUESTIONS, ABSOLUTES AFTERWARDS. YEAH. BUT I WANNA GET TO THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. WE ALL DO. UH, COUNCIL FURMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE SORT OF A PROCESS QUESTION ABOUT OUR, OUR PROCESS HERE, AND WE HAVEN'T ONLY BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS, WE'VE BEEN PONTIFICATING TOO. AND, AND SO I, I WOULD JUST REALLY ASK US IN FUTURE ITEMS THAT WE REALLY ADHERE TO THIS PROCESS OF ASKING QUESTIONS WHEN IT'S TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS AND NOT LATER. UH, I, AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE SETTING THIS UP NOW AS WE'LL, ASK QUESTIONS NOW WE'LL GET TO THE [02:15:01] AUDIENCE, WHICH I ALSO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD SORT OF GET TO AUDIENCE QUESTIONS, BUT ARE WE GONNA DO Q AND A LATER TOO? IS THAT OH, YES. OH YEAH. YEAH. I JUST, I, THE, THE MOST PART IS TO GET TO THE, UH, AUDIENCE. ALRIGHT. THEN I WILL TRY TO EDIT MY QUESTIONS AS WELL. BUT I, I DO HAVE A BURNING ONE HERE ON TOP OF MY HEAD AND IT REALLY GOES TO THE BANEY. YOU'VE BUILT OTHER HOTELS AROUND THE WEST COAST PRIMARILY. HAVE YOU EVER BUILT HOUSE A HOUSING PROJECT WITH A HOTEL? HAS THAT EVER BEEN A REQUIREMENT FOR YOU BEFORE? NO. IF YOU, MR. BANEY, IF YOU CAN COME UP, SOMEONE NEEDS TO OR BEN CAN ANSWER OF 'EM. NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. BUT I MEAN, RESIDENTIAL UNIT IS A HOTEL UNIT OR A RESIDENTIAL UNIT IS A MULTIFAMILY UNIT, SO A LOT OF SIMILARITIES. SO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING INTO A NEW VENTURE, BUT YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YET BEFORE? NO, BUT WE HAVE, BUT WE HAVE OPERATED APARTMENTS BEFORE. OH. IN CENTRAL OREGON. UH, IN BEND, KLAMATH FALLS. SO WE HAVE OPERATED MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS OKAY. IN THE PAST. WELL THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. ANOTHER QUESTION, UH, THIS ONE HASN'T BEEN ASKED. SO YOU PLAN TO DO SOME TYPE OF SHUTTLE SERVICE FOR YOUR GUESTS, AND I'M THINKING LONG TIME DOWN THE ROAD, SO I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. PREDICTING THE FUTURE IF AND WHEN THE CITY OF SEDONA EVER GETS A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT BE WILLING TO DEDICATE THE RESOURCES THAT YOU USE AND, AND OFFER TO THE CITY FOR THE OPERATION OF OUR SYSTEM? IF IT SORT OF MEETS, SORRY, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. SO YOU'RE GONNA SPEND SOME MONEY ON A SHUTTLE SYSTEM MM-HMM. EVENTUALLY WE MIGHT HAVE A SHUTTLE SYSTEM THAT MIGHT BE PERFECTLY ADEQUATE IN THIS TOWN. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, TO SPEND YOUR RESOURCES WITH THE CITY TO HELP OUR SHUTTLE SYSTEM OPERATE? I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO ANYTHING. I MEAN, WE'LL PROBABLY ALWAYS MAINTAIN A SHUTTLE JUST BECAUSE WE DO AT ALL OUR HOTELS, SO. ALRIGHT. WELL THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS. UH, I HAD MR. TATE, YOU ACTUALLY ON YOUR PAGE 21, YOU, YOU SAID IF THE COUNCIL WANTS NO ROOFTOP AFTER 10, BUT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT YOU'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO IT IN SOME OF YOUR DOC IN, IN PAGE 21. SO THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT A, A COUNCIL REQUEST ANYMORE. YOU'VE PUT THAT ON THE TABLE, IS DO YOU AGREE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT THAT ON THE TABLE? YES, ABSOLUTELY. COMES ON FROM, AND, AND THAT ALSO GOES WITH, UH, THE NO TURNING SIGN THAT'S ON PAGE 23. SURE. YOU'VE COMMITTED SOME OF THESE THINGS. YOU'RE NOT, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO SORT OF, UNLESS WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT . WELL, AND COUNCILLOR FERMAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, IS WE'RE OFFERING THOSE THINGS. IF FOR SOME REASON THE COUNCIL DIDN'T WANT US TO DO THEM, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING, BUT WE'RE MAKING THE OFFER. YEP. IS THERE, UH, ANY THOUGHT IN YOUR MIND ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS? YOU HAD A COMMITMENT OF 50 YEARS. WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM? OPEN TO BEING LONGER THAN 50 YEARS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN, THAT CAME FROM THE DIGA GUIDELINES. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL SORT OF FRAMEWORK OF IF YOU'RE GONNA COMMIT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU NEED TO COMMIT TO THESE MINIMUM THINGS ALONG WITH IT, OUR STANDARD. AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS, UH, A DEED, A DEED RESTRICTION OF 50 YEARS. YEAH. A COMMITMENT TO 50 YEARS. ANY OPENNESS IN YOUR MIND TO GOING BEYOND 50 YEARS? IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED UP TO THIS POINT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED OF US. I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THEIR ORIGINAL LETTER OF INTENT SAID THAT THE UNITS WOULD BE DEED RESTRICTED FOR 50 YEARS OR AS LONG AS THE U THE USE AS A HOTEL. AH, SO THAT, CARRIE, I'M GONNA TURN TO YOU AND, AND I THINK I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION SIMILAR TO ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ASKED BEFORE, BUT AT THIS STAGE IN THE PROCESS, WOULD THERE NORMALLY BE A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF US? YES. WE TYPICALLY APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN ZONE CHANGE. AND I GET THIS, YOUR STAFF REPORT HAS GOT TO STICK TO WHAT THE APPLICATION HAS IN IT. AND NOW THERE THIS HAS BEEN A MOVING TARGET SINCE PNZ AND THERE'S BEEN THINGS ADDED. SO I GET THAT YOUR STAFF REPORT CAN'T REFLECT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TIME. UH, THE ADDITIONAL THINGS HAVE BEEN PUT ON THE TABLE. MM-HMM. IS THERE. AND I THINK I WANNA ASK A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LDC REQUIREMENTS. CAN YOU SPECULATE NOW BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM PNZ, THE TIME THAT'S PASSED FROM PNZ, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS LEFT ABOUT THE LDC AS, AS I GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD? I THINK THEY'VE ALL BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR VIEW. UM, THE QUESTIONS WITH THE LDC IF THEY COMPLY WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD BE ADDRESSED. SOME OF THOSE ARE SOMEWHAT OPEN-ENDED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE, IT WASN'T THAT THEY NEED TO INCREASE THIS BY 2% OR IT WAS THAT THEY NEED TO PROVIDE A PLAN THAT COMPLIES WITH SETBACK [02:20:01] REQUIREMENTS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE HERE, THIS CORNER OF THE BUILDING HERE IS STICKING OVER THE SETBACK LINE. OTHER PLANS DON'T SHOW THAT. SO THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES LIKE THAT. AND SO THERE'S JUST A GENERAL CONDITION THAT THE PLAN SUBMITTED FOR BUILDING PERMIT WOULD NEED TO MEET ALL APPLICABLE LDC REQUIREMENTS. UM, THE ITEMS NOTED SEEMED MINOR ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH CHANGES TO THE PLANS THAT WE WOULD REVIEW AT A BUILDING PERMIT STAGE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS ALMOST A, A REPHRASING OF A QUESTION I WANTED TO PUT TO YOU THAT YOU THINK IT'S ACHIEVABLE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE LDC REQUIREMENTS IF IN FACT THEY DO TRY TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE LDC REQUIREMENTS. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, WE WOULD NOT ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS UNTIL THEY . OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T. YEP. YEP. THE QUESTION I HAD MR. TATE, FOR YOU, DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR COMMITMENT, MAYBE THIS GOES TO THE BANEY ABOUT ESTABLISHING SOME TYPE OF NAU FLAGSTAFF HOSPITALITY PROGRAM. AND I DIDN'T HEAR THAT MENTIONED AGAIN TONIGHT, SO I WANTED TO ASK THE STATUS OF THAT. WE, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE MIC. SO GO AHEAD. YOU CAN BOTH STAY UP THERE. WE DON'T BITE . JUST SAY YOUR NAME THOUGH. MY NAME'S ROBIN BANEY. AND, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE INVOLVED WITH IN BEND, OREGON. UM, WITH OSU CASCADES, WE HAVE A, A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEIR HOSPITALITY PROGRAM. WE DONATED, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WAS THAT? AN ENDOWMENT? AN ENDOWMENT SIGNIFICANT, A SIGNIFICANT ENDOWMENT. AND PRIOR TO THEM LAUNCHING THEIR PROGRAM, THEY HAD THEIR, UM, STAFF COME TO OUR CORPORATE OFFICE AND WE BROUGHT ALL OUR EXECUTIVES IN AND SOME OF OUR MANAGERS AND WE HELPED THEM DEVELOP THEIR CURRICULUM. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, SELF-SERVING BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS WE HIRE FROM THOSE PROGRAMS, AND NOT ONLY IN SEDONA, BUT A CHILD OR A YOUNG ADULT WHO'S IN THIS PROGRAM MIGHT GO WORK AT ONE OF OUR OTHER PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF, SO IT IT, IT HELPS US TO HELP THEM. YEP. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA, IT WASN'T MENTIONED TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S STILL ON YOUR LIST TO PURSUE. ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU HEAD MR. BEY? MM-HMM. . YEP. YEAH, CORRECT. UH, I JUST POINTED OUT, WE, WE RECRUIT FROM THE HOSPITALITY SCHOOLS AROUND THE NORTHWEST CHICO STATE, UH, WSU AND, UH, HAVE ONE IN OUR HOMETOWN. SO NOTHING COULD BE BETTER. AND WE WOULD, UH, PURSUE THAT IF, IF, IF, UH, THE COLLEGE WANTED TO PURSUE THAT. I DID HAVE A, A QUESTION ABOUT THE SOLAR KIND OF CAME UP AND I I, IT WASN'T CLEAR IN MY MIND THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. THAT IN YOUR STAFF ANALYSIS YOU MADE, THE STATEMENTS YOU DID ABOUT PARTIALLY COMPLIANT BECAUSE OF SOLAR. IT IS. BUT IS PART OF THAT BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THEIR, THEIR APPROACH LATER AND THEY ARE GONNA DO PANELS NOW WHEN IT WAS ONLY SOLAR REDDER BEFORE? OR AM I CONFUSED ABOUT THE ? THE, IS THAT QUESTION FOR EITHER OF US COUNCIL MEMBER? YOU COULD BE ABSOLUTELY. IN THE, IN THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THAT WAS REVIEWED IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE NOVEMBER P AND Z. SO THIS IS BEFORE WE STARTED MAKING ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE BETWEEN NOVEMBER AND FEBRUARY. RIGHT. THAT PLAN WE WERE COMMITTED. THE, THE SOLAR PANELS WERE ON THE PARKING STRUCTURE. THAT WAS IN THE LOI THAT WAS ALL PART OF IT. SO THERE WAS SOME, YES. SO THERE WAS NOTHING ON THE BUILDINGS IN THE NOVEMBER PLAN. AND BETWEEN NOVEMBER AND FEBRUARY, THEY CHANGED THE BUILDINGS TO SOLAR READY, BUT DID NOT ADD PANELS TO THE BUILDINGS. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. SO, UH, RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT WAS THE ADD. THE DID ADDITION. WAS SOLAR READY NOW? AND WHETHER THAT WOULD CHANGE YOUR STAFF ANALYSIS ABOUT PARTIAL COMPLIANCE OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW. AND I DON'T NEED TO ASK THAT. WELL, SO IF YOU, I MEAN, THERE WAS A COUPLE DIFFERENT CHECKLISTS. THE ONE ATTACHED TO THE MEMO FOR THE CONTINUANCE, UM, HAS THE UPDATE IN RED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT READILY AVAILABLE, BUT OUR, AGAIN, OUR INITIAL, UM, EVALUATION FOR THE NOVEMBER MEETING WAS THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING SOLAR ON THE UPPER LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE. BUT NO SOLAR PANELS WERE PROPOSED FOR THE BUILDINGS. AND IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT ANY OF THE BUILDINGS WILL USE SOLAR POWER. THE UPDATE FOR FEBRUARY WAS THE APPLICANT IS COMMITTED [02:25:01] TO MAKING THE BUILD HOTEL BUILDING SOLAR READY, BUT IS NOT COMMITTED TO INSTALLING SOLAR PANELS AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROJECT. YEP. AND MR. TATE, YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT SOLAR READY AND THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT REQUIRED TO PUT IN SOLAR ARE COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD. I THINK EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES BEFORE US, PEOPLE STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA OF THE EXPENSE OF TRYING TO DO SOLAR FROM THE GET GO. AND I DID APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT, UH, THAT ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND THE OPERATIONAL PROFITABILITY AND WORKMANSHIP OF YOUR PROJECT, THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE AND THAT YOU'VE MADE IT READY TO DO SO. AND SO, UH, I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT LAST QUESTION I THINK I HAVE FOR THIS SECTION RIGHT NOW IS BACK TO YOUR OUTREACH THAT YOU RECENTLY DID. AND IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID IS THAT YOU REQUESTED FROM US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE SDRS WERE AND THEN PERHAPS YOU PREPARED YOUR WALK LIST LEAVING THOSE OUT, OR YOU JUST IDENTIFIED THAT IN YOUR WALK LIST. I WHERE I'M GOING, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, DID YOU IDENTIFY STRS THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE ON OUR LIST? ? WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER FIRM, I, A FEW COMMENTS. UM, AND I, BECAUSE I, I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING BECAUSE I ALSO THINK THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A MISCONCEPTION ABOUT THE OUTREACH THAT WE'VE DONE, BOTH LEADING UP TO THE NOVEMBER PNZ, BUT THEN ALSO BETWEEN THE NOVEMBER PNZ AND THE FEBRUARY PNZ. SO IT WAS NOT AS THOUGH WE DID NOTHING BETWEEN THE DECEMBER 21 NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND WHEN WE SIT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, OR REALLY THE WEEK BEFORE WHERE WE STARTED GOING DOOR TO DOOR IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. SO FROM OCTOBER, AUGUST, AUGUST FROM, FROM ESSENTIALLY STARTING IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, SO AUGUST OF 2023, ABBY AND HER COLLEAGUE RANA HERE AND THEIR TEAM HAVE BEEN CONDUCTING ONE-ON-ONE OUTREACH IN WEST SEDONA, UH, EXTENSIVELY. THEY'VE SPENT OVER 30 FULL DAYS HERE OVER THE COURSE OF THIS PERIOD OF TIME, ALL OF THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT YOU FIND IN YOUR PACKET, I THINK THEY'RE GOING INTO NOVEMBER, THE FEBRUARY P AND Z, I BELIEVE THERE WERE 56 LETTERS. THOSE WERE ALL THE RESULT OF DIRECT ONE-ON-ONE COMMUNICATION THAT ANNA RAN AND ABBEY HAD WITH MEMBERS OF THE CENTER COMMUNITY, WHETHER THEY WERE GOING TO BUSINESSES, TO WORKFORCE, TO WORKFORCE MEETINGS, TO NONPROFIT GROUPS. THIS WAS ALL DIRECT ONE-ON-ONE ENGAGEMENT THAT YIELDED EACH ONE OF THOSE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKET. THE, THE MORE RECENT COMPONENT OF THIS WAS THE DOOR-TO-DOOR OUTREACH BASED ON THIS SPECIFIC, UM, COMMENT THAT WE HADN'T HAD ANY RECENT ENGAGEMENT WITH THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY. OKAY. SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'LL ASK MY QUESTION AGAIN. DO YOU THINK YOU IDENTIFIED SDRS THAT EXISTED THAT WE DIDN'T INDICATE WERE SDR? IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE COUNCILMAN FERMAN BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP AT THE FEBRUARY P AND Z, UH, SOMEBODY HAD MADE A COMMENT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TURNED OVER 50% SINCE 2021. THAT NUMBER SEEMED HIGH TO ME. SO I COMPARED MY MAILING LIST FROM THE DECEMBER, 2021 NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WHICH WAS THE LAST MAILING THAT WE HAD SENT TO THE CURRENT MAILING LIST FOR THOSE 114 PROPERTIES. 24 PROPERTIES HAVE TURNED OVER SINCE 2021, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 22%. BUT THEN IF YOU COMPARE THAT LIST TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL REGISTRY, 12 OF THOSE 24 HOMES THAT TURNED OVER BECAME SDRS, AN ADDITIONAL SIX OF THOSE THAT TURNED OVER ARE OUT OF TOWN MAILING ADDRESSES. AN ADDITIONAL TWO OF THEM ARE MAILING ADDRESSES THAT DON'T MATCH THE PROPERTY ADDRESS, MEANING OF THE 24 HOMES THAT HAVE TURNED OVER SINCE 2021, ONLY FOUR OF THEM ARE PRIMARY RESIDENCES. ALRIGHT, I'M DONE, MAYOR. THAT'S, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON AND, UH, COUNCILOR TO JUST TOP OFF SOMETHING. DID YOU WANNA I DO. THANK YOU. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK THE AUDIENCE. YOU'VE BEEN ENORMOUSLY PATIENT AND YOU'VE BEEN VERY QUIET AND VERY RESPECTFUL, WHICH HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE IN THESE CHAMBERS. AND I DO THANK YOU. AND I WOULD JUST, UM, HOPE THAT YOU CAN JUST HOLD ON A FEW MORE MINUTES. UM, MY QUESTIONS ARE ENTIRELY ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE. UM, AS I TOLD YOU ON, I, WE BELIEVE AT LEAST TWO OCCASIONS, I, UH, I, I SEE THAT WHAT WE'VE, I REMEMBER THAT ORIGINALLY THE 28 UNITS WERE A LOWER INCOME, MAYBE IT WAS 80% AND NOW IT'S AT A HUNDRED PERCENT. AND I ALSO SEE THAT THE OTHER ONES ARE AT 150%. UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE HOUSING MANAGER AS TO WHETHER THAT SERVES THE NEEDS OF SEDONA 150 FOR A, A STUDIO. [02:30:02] I MEAN, WE HAVE A RANGE OF NEEDS. WE HAVE A NEED FROM SMALL TO TO LARGE, UH, IN TERMS OF, OF INCOMES. IS THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU THAT THAT INCOME RANGE OR IS THAT, DOES THAT SERVE OUR NEEDS IN, IN SEDONA? SO WE DO HAVE A NEED THAT REACHES AS HIGH AS 150% OF A MI AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR DISCUSSION WAS. MM-HMM. . UM, SO IT WAS THE ADDITIONAL UNITS THAT AREN'T INCOME RESTRICTED, THOSE NEED TO BE AT LEAST TO 150% A MI THAT THE 12 UNITS. RIGHT. UM, SO THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF HOUSING THAT WITH THE AFFORDABILITY LEVELS THAT ARE PROPOSED, UM, WOULD REQUIRE PROBABLY FIVE TO 6 MILLION IN CITY SUBSIDY TO DEVELOP TODAY, UM, AS A STANDALONE PROJECT. OKAY. HOWEVER, IN THE ABSENCE OF THIS PROPOSAL, THE FULL SITE COULD BE HOUSING AND THE MARKET RATE HOUSING AND THE DEVELOPMENT COULD HELP OFFSET THE COSTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, , WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT LESS SUBSIDY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BUILD THOSE UNITS. UM, AND IF, BUT THEY WOULDN'T ALL BE, IF IT WAS, THEY WOULDN'T ALL BE AFFORDABLE. RIGHT. OKAY. . AND ADDITIONALLY, IF IT WAS ALL HOUSING, IT WOULD REQUIRE FEWER NEW EMPLOYEES. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND, AND POSSIBLY SUBCONTRACTORS, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE EMPLOYED. THEY'VE SENT OVER SOME NUMBERS THAT SAY, UM, I THINK IT WAS MAYBE 40 TO 50 EMPLOYEES IN A YEAR TOTAL AND, UM, KEEP, YOU KNOW, REPEATING THE 31 FTES. OKAY. FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS. BUT THAT, MY QUESTION WAS REALLY ABOUT THE, THE LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY. UM, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. I'M ASSUMING THAT NOT ALL THE EMPLOYEES, BECAUSE I WILL PONTIFICATE NOW AS WELL. SO I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. UM, , BECAUSE I WANNA MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND SINCE I'M THE LAST PERSON, I'M NOT GOING TO JUST GO AWAY BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE GOT A CHANCE TO TALK. UM, IS THERE YES, I'LL, I'LL COMMENT AFTER YOU FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY THOUGHT IS, I AM HAPPY THAT ALL OF THE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE AT SOME LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY. GOOD QUESTION. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD DO BETTER IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS? BECAUSE I KNOW, BECAUSE FOR ME PERSONALLY, UM, 50% OF THE NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS IF, IF YOU HAD A HOUSING EQUIVALENT TO 50% IS AN INCREDIBLE STATEMENT. UM, AND SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, COULD YOU DO BETTER THAN THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS YOU ARE PROPOS THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING HERE? COUNCIL WILLIAMSON HAVE A, A FEW COMMENTS. THE, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THE, WE'VE PROVIDED A VERY DETAILED EMPLOYMENT BREAKDOWN TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT. WE PROVIDED IT TO CARRIE MEYER. WE'VE PROVIDED IT TO, IN FACT, I THINK I SENT IT TO A COUPLE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AS WELL. THAT BREAKS IT DOWN BY RESPONSIBILITY BY THE NUMBER OF SHIFTS. UM, WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, THE ANNUAL AVERAGE IS 32 AND A HALF EMPLOYEES PER MONTH AVERAGED OUT OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR. THERE MAY BE 40 TO 50 W TWOS SENT OUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT THE BALANCE OF THOSE ARE SEASONAL EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ONLY NEEDED DURING PEAK TIMES. BUT WE'VE, WE'VE PROVIDED A VERY DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF BY RESPONSIBILITY BY SHIFT, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SHIFTS NEEDED, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES NEEDED, THAT WAS PROVIDED BY OXFORD'S VP OF OPS AS A PROJECTION FOR THIS PROJECT. THAT'S NUMBER RIGHT NOW, NUMBER TWO. NUMBER TWO, WHICH I KNOW IS THE ONE YOU'RE FAR MORE INTERESTED IN. YOU'VE GOT THAT RIGHT . UH, SO FRANKLY THIS IS, IS SOMETHING WHERE I THINK WE WERE, WE'RE TRULY SEEKING SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL IF WE, BECAUSE FRANKLY WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD ANY KIND OF CONSENSUS AS TO WHETHER THERE IS A PRIORITY FOR VOLUME OR THERE IS A PRIORITY FOR THE MIX OF UNITS. WE'VE HEARD BOTH. AND SO WE'VE CERTAINLY LOOKED AT SOME SCENARIOS WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RECONFIGURE THE FLOOR PLA THE, THE, THE FLOOR PLATE THAT WE HAVE. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SORT OF A FIXED PHYSICAL SPACE. MM-HMM. . BUT WITHIN THAT FIXED PHYSICAL SPACE, THERE IS SOME ROOM TO WORK WITH POTENTIALLY THAT WOULD CHANGE THE YIELD IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 12 UNITS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE, THE MARKET RATE PORTION THAT IS TEN TWO BEDROOM UNITS AND, AND TWO ONE BEDROOM UNITS. SO THEORETICALLY SPEAKING, YOU COULD TAKE [02:35:01] SOME OF THOSE TWO BEDROOM UNITS AND MAKE THEM EITHER ONE BEDROOM UNITS OR STUDIOS. ONE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WORKS FOR THE BANEY IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT. AND TWO, THAT IT ALSO WORKS FOR OUR PARKING, UH, THE, THE THIRD WRINKLE IN THAT EQUATION, WHICH, UH, FRANKLY, I, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT, HOW WE WOULD SOLVE THAT WITHOUT GOING BACK TO P AND Z. IS THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. AND IN ORDER TO AMEND A DR WHERE YOU'RE INCREASING THE DENSITY BY ANY AMOUNT, I BELIEVE IT HAS TO GO BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO SOLUTIONS IN THAT RESPECT. IF THERE'S CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL AS FAR AS WHAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE NUMBER OF UNITS OR WHAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE MIX OR RANGE OF UNITS BEFORE WE STARTED WORKING ON THAT WITH ANY LEVEL OF EARNESTNESS. WELL, I ALSO HAVE TO SAY THAT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT ALL THOSE UNITS BE ON SITE. I KNOW A WHOLE NEW WRINKLE. ALWAYS A NEW WRINKLE. I'M, I MYSELF, WELL, THAT'S A COMMENT. LOOKING FOR NUMBERS. CAN I, CAN I PROVIDE A COMMENT? YES. I'LL JUST BE QUICK. WE HAVE ASKED FOR THE EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW. WHEN WE GOT THEM YESTERDAY, THEY, WE HAVE NOT EVALUATED THEM. I KNOW. OKAY. I DON'T. THANK YOU. WANT TO TALK ABOUT EMPLOYMENT? I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A COMMENT IF I MAY PLEASE. CERTAINLY ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE, YES, THANK YOU. SO WE'RE PROVIDING 40 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. YES. YES. THERE ARE 50 BEDROOMS IN THIS PRO MM-HMM. PROPERTY. MM-HMM. 50 BEDROOM BEDROOMS. THE 10 BEST CASE POTENTIAL COULD HOUSE A HUNDRED EMPLOYEES, UH, AT A MINIMUM 40 EMPLOYEES. SO MOST LIKELY IT'LL SHAKE OUT SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. IT COULD BE 50, 60, MAYBE 70 EMPLOYEES COULD LIVE AT THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION. I APPRECIATE IT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE ANSWER TO DOING MORE UNITS IS, IS TWOFOLD. ONE, YOU COULD, IF, IF COUNCIL DIRECTED, UH, GO, GO TO SMALLER UNITS AND AT LEAST INCREASE THE NUMBER OR TWO. NO, YOU CAN'T PROVIDE MORE U MORE UNITS THAN YOU CURRENTLY ARE PROVIDING. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. THERE'S THAT, THAT THIS, THAT IT'S MAXED OUT. OKAY. UM, YEAH, SO TO TALK ABOUT THE, UM, INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF UNITS, YEAH. SO WE COULD BREAK THOSE TWO BEDROOMS DOWN INTO STUDIO UNITS OR ONE BEDROOMS AND WE'VE RAN THOSE NUMBERS AND WE COULD GET SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IF WE DID RUN OF THE MILL STUDIO APARTMENTS IN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. WE COULD GET MORE, WAY MORE, UM, IN THE FIFTIES. UH, BUT THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, DIFFERENT PEOPLE THROUGH THE CITY STAFF AND, AND DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD AND OUR OWN PERSONAL UH, DISCRETION TOO. WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A DIVERSE HOUSING ON THE PROP ON THE PROPERTY. UM, THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, I DON'T THINK IS ONLY FOR STUDIO APARTMENTS. WE WANT TO HAVE ROOM FOR, UH, FAMILIES TO LIVE. AND SO GETTING RID OF ALL THOSE TWO BEDROOM UNITS JUST TO STACK IN MORE STUDIOS FOR ONE PERSONALLY, ISN'T SOMETHING WE WOULD IDEALLY DO. IT'S WHY WE DIDN'T DO IT. IT'S NOT THE MIX OF UNITS WE WOULD LIKE TO BE PROUD OF IN PROVIDING A DIVERSE PRODUCT, BUT, UM, THE COST SUBSTANTIALLY IT GOES UP AS WELL. IF IF YOU DO WHAT IF YOU PROVIDE MORE STUDIOS? MORE UNITS? YEAH. YOU'RE MORE, YOU'RE PUTTING IN MORE KITCHENS. YOU'RE PUTTING IN MORE BATHROOMS. YOU'RE PUTTING IN MORE NO, NO, NO. HOLD ON. I'M NOT, YOU'RE NOT DONE YET. NO. YEAH, THAT'S WHY I JUST WANNA BE, THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST TRYING TO, OKAY. CLARIFICATION. SO IN THE 40 UNITS, GOING BACK TO THE 40 UNITS, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE 12 UNITS REMAIN. I MEAN THERE'S A COUPLE OF TWO BEDROOMS AND THERE'S SOME ONE BED. WHAT IS THE OVERALL NUMBER OF STUDIOS IN THE DEVELOPMENT? 24. 20. JUST 24. AND THEN THERE'S THE TWO BEDROOMS AND THEN THE REST. AND THEN THE REST ARE ONE BEDROOMS, SIX ONE BEDROOMS AND TEN TWO BEDROOMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER. THE CLARIFICATION AND BRIAN, IN THIS EXCHANGE, IT WAS QUESTION WAS PUT OUT I THINK BY MR. TATE ABOUT IT MIGHT NEED TO GO BACK TO PNZ THROUGH THE PROCESS. COULD I GET A CLARIFICATION EITHER FROM CARRIE OR THE CITY ATTORNEY AS TO WHAT TRIGGERS A, A RETURN TO PNZ AND, AND THAT PROCESS A CHANGE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO APPROVED PLANS AND AN INCREASE IN UNIT COUNT COULD BE THAT, UM, WITHOUT SEEING PLANS FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT OTHER [02:40:01] SITE ELEMENTS? WE, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU FOR SURE WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE. THANK YOU BRIAN. THEN WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE AUDIENCE. YEP. QUICKLY, UH, MR. TATE, YOU MENTIONED ADOT REQUIRING A PORK CHOP AT UH, UH, SADDLEBROOK SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE. SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE. YEAH. UH, OKAY. UH, BUT YOU ALSO SAID, WELL, IF YOU REALLY DON'T WANT US TO DO IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. SO, SO WHAT IS IT? DO WE HAVE TO, DO YOU HAVE TO OR DO YOU OR CAN WE SAY, OH NO, IT'S OKAY. DON'T BOTHER. SO COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ, THAT'S THE, IT'S WITHIN ADOS RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO IN ORDER FOR, FOR THEM TO ULTIMATELY ISSUE THE PERMITS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO OUR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE ADOT RIGHT OF WAY, WE NEED TO MEET ALL OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE REQUIRED IS THAT PORK CHOP. I THINK WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, HOW THAT INTERSECTION IS RESTRICTED. AND WE'VE SAID ESSENTIALLY CITY OF SEDONA ADOT, YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO WITH THAT INTERSECTION AND WE WILL DO IT. OKAY, THANKS. AND THEN YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR, I, AND FOR LACK OF A BETTER NAME, THERE'S THIS POPUP ART SHOW THING THAT HAPPENS QUITE FREQUENTLY. AND WHEN IT'S DOWN TOWARDS YOUR PROPERTY, UH, PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON YOUR PROPERTY. IS THAT KIND OF A SQUATTERS THING OR DO THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU? NO. COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ, THEY HAVE, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO LEASE THAT PARKING WHILE THE PROPERTY IS STILL VACANT. UM, THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE, THE WOMAN WHO RUNS THAT FAIR. UH, BUT THERE'S, WE'VE CERTAINLY NOT BEEN, HAVEN'T HIT THE BALL WITH THE FACT THAT IT IS A TEMPORARY THING WHERE WE WILL NOT ALWAYS BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT PARKING. OKAY. AND THEN, SO CARRIE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS OR NOT. SO THEY OPERATE UNDER WHAT, A CUP OR SOMETHING TO HAVE THOSE ART SHOW THINGS, A CUP OR A TEMP OR A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT? UM, THEY GOT A COUPLE YEARS AGO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE RESTAURANT PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. THEY'VE BEEN DOING THEM AT THE GLASS BLOWING PLACE AND SO THEY GET TEMPORARY USE PERMITS FOR THOSE. OKAY. SO THE CONS, THE UNDERLYING CONCERN HERE IS IF THOSE SHOWS KEEP GOING, WHERE ARE PEOPLE GONNA PARK IF THEY LOSE THEIR PARKING? WE WOULD EITHER MAKE THEM FIND A DIFFERENT PARKING LOT THAT IS AVAILABLE OR WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE TEMPORARY USE PERMITS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, UM, MR. TATE, YOU DID MENTION, UH, AND YOU DID PROVIDE YOUR ESTIMATE OF FTES REQUIRED TO RUN THE, THE PROPERTY. UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE MAX NUMBER AT PEAK? THE 32 AND A HALF I THINK WAS THE NUMBER ON AVERAGE OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. WHAT'S THE PEAK NUMBER? AND I BELIEVE IT'S IN, SO IT'S, I BEEN ON THE SLIDE IN THE PRESENTATION. IT'S ALSO IN, AND I BELIEVE IN, IN THE NUMBERS WE PROVIDED, I THINK WHAT IT SAYS IS 35 PLUS MAYBE ONE ADDITIONAL FRONT DESK PERSONNEL. OKAY. IT'S AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE, UM, BREAKDOWN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE SECOND QUICK. YEAH, ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THE, ON THE NUMBERS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE RENTS. UM, ON THE ORIGINAL 28 GOING UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT SOME NUMBER OF THOSE, SOME HALF OR SOME COULD BE AT 80, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN? THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO A HUNDRED THAT WE COULD PROVIDE SOME AT A LOWER, AT A LOWER INCOME? SO SOMETHING THAT I'VE WORKED ON IN THE PAST IN A DIFFERENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, UM, IS THE IDEA OF INCOME AVERAGING AND WHERE YOU, YOU NEED TO MEET A CERTAIN TARGETED, UH, INCOME, INCOME AVERAGE, UH, WHERE IT CAN ALLOW UNITS TO BE LOWER AND THEN SOME ON THE OTHER SIDE TO BE BE HIGHER. UM, THERE IS, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY AND IT WAS IN OUR TALKS, UHHUH, TO POSSIBLY KEEP SOME OF THOSE BELOW 100. WELL IF IT COULD BE, SAY AN AVERAGE OF 90 AND SO THEN YOU WOULD GET SOME 80 AND SOME A HUN BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED. UM, THAT WOULD, I THINK I WANNA PROVIDE SOME, SOME LOWER INCOME IF WE CAN. SO IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE, UM, OKAY. THAT ABOUT, THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. ALRIGHT EVERYONE, THANK YOU. THIS CROWD HAS BEEN EXCELLENT WITH YOUR PATIENCE. WE APPRECIATE IT. UM, SORRY IT TOOK THIS LONG, BUT IT'S, IT'S NEEDED BUT IT DOES. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING, WE HAVE, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 32 PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEAK. EVERYBODY WILL RECEIVE A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES. UH, IF YOU HEAR SOMEONE THAT SAID THE SAME THING THAT YOU CHIEF, THAT YOU PLAN ON SAYING, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SAYING THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY I FEEL AND RELINQUISH YOUR TIME 'CAUSE WE WANNA MOVE THIS FORWARD AS MUCH AS YOU [02:45:01] DO. SO. WE'LL, WE WILL START WITH, UH, ALAN, UH, KIN WHO'LL BE FOLLOWED BY KRISTEN BROCK. KRISTEN, ARE YOU STILL HERE? YES, I'M STILL HERE. OKAY. NO, JUST, JUST, YOU JUST BE, YOU'RE NICE AND CLOSE ANYWAY. OKAY. ARE WE MISSING? OKAY. TALK WITH YOUR, YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU DON'T NEED THE STREET, BUT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. RIGHT. MY NAME IS ALAN RAKIN. I LIVE ON, UH, VALLEY VIEW DRIVE. UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS ABOUT THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD. ONE WAS ABOUT MEETINGS. WE WERE, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING. WE WERE ORGANIZING TO TRY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WERE GONNA SPEAK AND WE DID NOT INVITE THE BABIES. THEY ALSO HELD, HAD A MEETING THIS SUNDAY IN WHICH WE WERE NOT INVITED. SO LET'S NOT GO ABOUT WHO'S INVITING WHO TO MEETINGS. UM, AND ALSO ABOUT SEMANTICS. I AM PASSING OUT THIS THING HERE THAT HAS SOME TALK ABOUT, UM, BALCONIES ON IT. UH, A A A PLACE ON THEIR, IN THEIR DESIGN, THEY HAVE PATIO DOORS AND OPEN SPACES WITH RAILINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN GO ONTO. YOU CAN SAY IT'S NOT A BALCONY OR WE CAN SAY IT'S A BALCONY. THEIR PLANS SAY IT WAS A BALCONY. I'M GONNA ASSUME FROM THEIR PLANS, THAT'S ALL I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET IS THAT THEY ARE BALCONIES FROM THAT. I WILL GO ON TO WHAT I WAS GONNA HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN A BIG DISADVANTAGE FOR US IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ON AND OFF NATURE OF THIS PROJECT AND GETTING INFORMATION HAS BEEN DIFFICULT WITH VERY LITTLE HELP FROM THE DEVELOPER. THERE'S BEEN NO COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS. THIS WEEK, BANEY REPRESENTATIVE WENT DOOR TO DOOR BUT ONLY IDENTIFIED HERSELF AS A SURVEYOR. NOT THAT SHE WAS WORKING FOR THE BANEY. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY CAME TO MY HOUSE AND SHE'S TOLD ME STRAIGHT OUT, THERE WERE NO BALCONIES ON THIS PROPERTY THAT FACED MY HOUSE. THIS, I ASKED HER ABOUT IT AND SHE SAID THERE SHE REPEATED, THERE ARE NO BALCONIES. AND SHE SAID SHE REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PLANS, BUT I SHOULD TALK WITH THE ARCHITECT. THIS HANDOUT SHOWS THERE WAS A BALCONY FACING MY HOUSE, WHICH IS LESS THAN 200 FEET, PROBABLY 175 FEET FROM MY BACK DOOR. UM, AND UH, THEY'RE ON THE SHEET. YOU HAVE THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW PLACES ARE ALL THE BALCONIES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS, THAT ARE FACING PROPERTIES ON SADDLEBROOK. THEY KEEP CONTINUE TO SAY THAT THE CLOSEST PROPERTIES AND THE ONLY PROPERTIES AFFECTED ARE THE, THE ONES IN THE CUL-DE-SAC VALLEY VIEW DRIVE HAS A NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT FACE DIRECTLY INTO THE BACKS OF THOSE BUILDINGS. AND IF THEY'RE NOT TELLING US THE TRUTH ABOUT BALCONIES, IF THEY'RE CALLING IT THIS OR THAT OR SOMETHING ELSE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS MISLEADING IN THE ARREST OF THEIR PROPOSAL. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S SOLAR READY, ARE WE TALKING, WHAT ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE PRODUCTS? ARE THESE SOLAR PANELS NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT? WHAT THE HEIGHT IS GONNA BE AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA TO TOWER BEYOND THE 27 FEET? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30 FEET NOW. THE IDEA THAT THERE'S LARGE EVENTS ON THESE THINGS THAT ON THE SITE AND GUESTS ARE UNLIKELY TO ALL STAY AT THE HOTEL, THERE'S NO WAY I'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT, UH, THAT THE EFFECT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THIS PROJECT HAS HAD WITH THE TURNOVER OF THE HOUSES TURNING INTO MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND I ALREADY KNOW OF MORE NEIGHBORS WHO WILL SELL AND THEY WILL BE MORE SHORT NEIGHBOR IN THE FUTURE. UM, I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD, SORRY, THE TIME UP THE TIMER JUST DIDN'T GO OFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KRISTEN BROCK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JACKIE KUSH. KUSH. WONDERFUL. UM, SO MY NAME IS KRISTEN BROCK AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. SO MY HUSBAND AND I OWN A HOME IN SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY THAT'S DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS REZONING. MY HUSBAND AND I OPPOSE THE REZONING OF THIS PARCEL OF LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO LODGING. WE MOVED HERE THREE YEARS AGO, WHICH MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHY WE MISSED THE MEETING WHEN MY HUSBAND RECEIVED A JOB AT THE SEDONA RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL, WHERE HE HAS BEEN WORKING AND TEACHING FOR THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS WHILE I WORK REMOTELY AS AN ACCOUNTANT AND I MISS THE KNOCK ON MY DOOR, I DO WORK REMOTELY, SO I AM ALWAYS THERE. , WE MOVED TO THIS TOWN IN PARTICULAR TO START A FAMILY AS WE WOULD LIKE TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN IN A SMALL TOWN THAT ALLOWS FOR DIVERSITY OF RESIDENTS AND A COMMUNITY FEEL. WE WANNA BE A PART OF A COMMUNITY WHERE WE KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR CHILDREN CAN KNOW THEIR CLASSMATES, AND THEY CAN FEEL SAFE PLAYING IN THEIR FRONT YARD. UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS, UM, A COMMUNITY WHERE IT'S INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR FAMILIES TO FIND HOUSING. CONVERTING THIS PROPERTY FROM RESIDENTIAL TO LODGING ONLY INCREASES THAT BURDEN TO OUR FAMILIES. IN ADDITION, AND AS NOTED IN OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, PUT FORTH FOR THE COUNCIL, I THINK IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VOTED ON TODAY. ONE OF THE SIX AREAS OF A FOCUS OVER THE [02:50:01] NEXT 10 YEARS THAT WOULD DEFINE IN OUR AND DISTINGUISH OUR OVERALL COMMUNITY CHARACTER IS DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TO ALLOW FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO GROW HERE. THIS REZONING IS ON OPPOSITION OF THAT COMMUNITY GOAL AS WE WOULD BE TAKING AWAY LAND CURRENTLY SET ASIDE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE TO FURTHER THE AGENDA OF OUR CORPORATION RATHER THAN CITY RESIDENTS. A VOTE FOR THIS REZONING IS SHOWING THAT COUNCIL IS NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THEIR OWN COMMUNITY INITIATIVES AND ARE PUTTING THE INTEREST OF PEOPLE WHO VISIT FOR THREE DAYS OVER THOSE WHO LIVE AND CONTRIBUTE TO THIS, THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR AND FOR YEARS TO COME. ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THE REZONING FROM COMMERCIAL TO LODGING IS AGAIN, THIS WOULD NEGATE THE COMMUNITY PLAN INITIATIVE FOR ECONOMIC DIVERSITY IN OUR TOWN. AS STATED IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE SEDONA ECONOMY NEEDS TO BE MORE DIVERSIFIED, UM, THUS BECOMING HEALTHIER AND MORE ROBUST AND LESS DEPENDENT ON TOURISM. THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY TO LODGING AGAIN, IS TAKING AWAY FROM POTENTIAL ECONOMIC DIVERSITY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND FOCUSING ON TOURISM RATHER THAN OTHER POTENTIAL SMALL BUSINESSES OR WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THAT LAND. WE MOVED HERE TO PARTICIPATE IN A SMALL TOWN THAT WILL PROVIDE AN ENRICHING PLACE FOR OUR FUTURE CHILDREN TO GROW UP. SAFETY IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND THIS REZONING TO LODGING NOT ONLY WILL DESTROY OUR SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY FEEL, BUT ALSO DECREASE THE SAFETY OF ITS RESIDENTS AND CHILDREN. WE DO NOT NEED OVER A HUNDRED HOTEL GUESTS DRIVING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND PARKING ON THE STREETS, THEREBY SHRINKING THE ROADWAY AND DECREASING THE WALKABILITY OF SADDLE ROCK. THE INCREASED VEHICLE AND FOOT TRAFFIC IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY HAVING A LARGE HOTEL WILL RISK THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN RIDING BIKES AND PLAYING BALL IN THEIR FRONT YARD. IN ADDITION, THESE GUESTS ARE NOT SCREENED AND FRANKLY, HAVING THE POSSIBILITY OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WALKING IN A SMALL RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IS NOT SAFE. THE NUMBER OF HOTEL GUESTS THAT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PUTS CHILDREN AT RISK OF BEING HIT BY VEHICLES AND FRANKLY OF, OF BEING KIDNAPPED OR BEING IN AN AT RISK SITUATION. BY HAVING THIS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WITH DIRECT ACCESS, THE CITY COUNCIL IS PUT INTO PLACE TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. AND I SAY THAT YOU SHOULD VOTE NO ON THIS REZONING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KRISTEN. OKAY, JACKIE, YOU'RE UP. AND AFTER JACKIE WILL BE KRISTEN TODD. MY NAME IS JACKIE CROOKSHANKS. I LIVE LESS THAN 200 FEET TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROJECT. MR. BITLAND SITS NEXT TO MY BACKYARD. THE IDEA OF PEOPLE WALKING ON A LEDGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS HOTEL LOOKING 16 FEET DOWN INTO MY BEDROOM, MY BACKYARD AND MY LIVING ROOM IS PRETTY DISTRESSING, BUT I HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENTS. FIRST, A HOTEL OF THIS SIZE WILL PROBABLY NEED A LOT MORE THAN 40 PEOPLE. THOSE 40 PEOPLE MIGHT TAKE UP THE LOW INCOME HOUSING THAT'S SET ASIDE. SO WHERE WILL THE REST OF THE WORKERS COME FROM? THIS TOWN IS KNOWN AND LIKE A LOT OF CITIES, IT'S SUFFERING FROM A DEARTH OF WORKERS TO PREPARE OUR FOOD STOCK, OUR GROCERY SHELVES, ET CETERA. MOSTLY 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE HOUSING. MM-HMM. WILL THESE WORKERS BE SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS AS WELL. SECONDLY, THIS TOWN DESPERATELY NEEDS LOW INCOME HOUSING. THE PRICES OF THE PROPOSED HOTEL ROOMS AT SADDLE ROCK VILLAGE ARE DESCRIBED AS LUXURY, SAY AROUND $500 A NIGHT. TOURISTS WILL AVOID THESE PRICES FOR SINGLE ROOMS AND FLOCK TO THE SHORT TERM RENTALS WHERE THEY CAN FIND LODGING FOR A WHOLE FAMILY OR A GROUP OF FRIENDS WITH A FULL KITCHEN AND OFTEN A LOVELY YARD FOR LESS. AS OF THIS MONTH, ONE IN EVERY FOUR HOUSES IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD IS REGISTERED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. IF THIS HOTEL IS BUILT, I ASSURE YOU THAT NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD WILL DOUBLE OR MAYBE EVEN TRIPLE SNAPPED BY UP BY INVESTORS WHO BUY AND RENT OUT HOUSES AT A LOWER COST THAN ROOMS IN THE SADDLE ROCK HOTEL. AT LEAST THREE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE TOLD ME THIS HOTEL WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SEDONA. AND THE CORE CORRELATION BETWEEN THE INCREASE IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE INCREASE IN HOMELESSNESS HOME HOMELESS WORKERS IS WELL ESTABLISHED. IS THAT WHAT SEDONA WANTS? SO MANY OF THE DETAILS OF THIS HOTEL AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS HAVEN'T BEEN CAREFULLY LAID OUT. DESPITE THE TOWN'S REPEATED AND DETAILED FEEDBACK, IT'S STILL A MOVING TARGET. IT'S STILL NOT GETTING WHAT IT NEEDS AND FINDING OUT WHAT RESIDENTS WANT. IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS PROPOSED VILLAGE WILL DO LITTLE TO MAKE THE QUALITY OF LIFE ANY BETTER FOR THE MAJORITY OF SEDONA CITIZENS. AND THEY MAY FLAW THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH TONS MORE ST PLEASE DON'T BE LULLED INTO APPROVING THIS FULL HEARTY PROJECT. [02:55:02] THANK YOU. YOU JACKIE, CATHERINE, EXCUSE ME. UH, CATHERINE TODD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY NICK. UH, PARSONS. HI, MY NAME IS CATHERINE TODD. I'M FROM SEDONA, ACTUALLY. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THE ZONING CHANGE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF SADDLE ROCK CROSSING SHOULD BE DENIED. CURRENTLY, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS LAND IS ZONED COMMERCIAL AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT ZONING CHANGES DO NOT HAVE TO BE ACTUALLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF RESIDENTS, BUT I FEEL LIKE AS THE COUNCIL, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT TRULY THE BEST INTEREST OF RESIDENTS. I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING OUT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOODS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RESIDENTS NEEDS BEING PUT ABOVE THOSE OF A CORPORATION OR THOSE HOPING TO PROFIT FROM THIS ZONING CHANGE. THE ONLY PEOPLE I'VE HEARD SPEAK AT OTHER MEETINGS OR THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO PROFIT OFF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NONE OF THE PEOPLE WOULD FEEL THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE LIGHTS SHINING DOWN INTO THE HOUSES AND YARDS AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT. MAYBE NOT FROM THE ROOFTOP FROM WHAT HE SAID, BUT FROM THE WINDOWS, THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NOISE, WHICH I GO TO BED AT 8 8 30. SO JUST SAYING THAT 10:00 PM IS REALLY LATE FOR ME. UH, THE, THE BIKES DRIVING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TRAFFIC DRIVING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET ACCESS ON THE COMMUNITY TRAILS TO THE TRAIL HEADS AND ALSO THEN OF COURSE, OVER PRIVATE PROPERTY. WOULD ANY OF YOU WANT TO HAVE A STRUCTURE BUILT JUST OVER YOUR FENCE LINE THAT CAN SEE INTO YOUR HOUSE, INTO YOUR BACKYARD, INTO YOUR WINDOWS? WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING YOUR BLINDS OPEN? WOULD YOU WANNA RELAX IN YOUR BACKYARD? WOULD YOU WANNA USE YOUR HOT TUB OR WANT TO GARDEN? WOULD YOU WANT YOUR PRIVACY AND QUIET ENJOYMENT VANISHING BEFORE YOUR EYES? THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND RIGHT OF QUIET ENJOYMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED IN WAYS THAT WE FIND UNACCEPTABLE WITH THE 40 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. HOW WOULD THEY MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO U PARK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THE PARKING IS STILL A QUESTION AND THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT THEY KEEP REFERRING TO WAS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, THEY SENT OUT SOMEBODY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. MANY OF THE HOUSES, AS HE MENTIONED, HAVE CHANGED HANDS SINCE 2021. AND THOSE WHO ARE FOR THIS, SEEM TO NOT LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT ANYTIME THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE, WE SHOULD CHOOSE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR COMMUNITY OVER THE DESIRES OF A CORPORATION. SEDONA DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER HOTEL OR RESORT, AND THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT IT. I IMPLORE THE CITY COUNCIL TO THINK OF THE RESIDENTS FIRST AND DENY THIS APPLICATION FOR A ZONING CHANGE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, THANK YOU CATHERINE. UH, NICK PARSONS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY UH, LARRY JACKSON. HI, UH, I'M NICK AND I LIVE IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD AND I OPPOSE THIS PROJECT. LIKE OTHERS, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC NOISE, LIGHT POLLUTION, AND DESTRUCTION OF OUR QUIET, LOVELY NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, BUT I'M MOST ALARMED BY THE, UH, BAYES GROUP OF, UH, USE OF, UH, SHADY OR QUESTIONABLE TACTICS TO GET THEIR UNPOPULAR PROJECT APPROVED. UH, THE FIRST AND ONLY COMMUNICATION WE'VE EVER RECEIVED. NO LETTER. UH, WAS A REPRESENTATIVE COMING INTO OUR DRIVEWAY A COUPLE DAYS AGO, UH, WITH AN ATTEMPT TO CHARM US WITH FALSE INFORMATION. UH, MAYBE INTENTIONAL, MAYBE NOT. UH, SHE CLAIMED THAT THEY CARED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS THE GAME THEY PLAY FROM TOWN TO TOWN, FROM BEND TO SEDONA, SIPHONING TOURISTS, MONEY OUT OF TOWNS, AND CLAIMING TO CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THEIR DEFINITION OF CARING ABOUT A COMMUNITY DIFFERS FROM OURS. MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT OUR HOME IN SADDLE ROCK BECAUSE IT'S A QUIET, LOW TRAFFIC NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LIKE OTHERS WHO LIVE HERE, GIVE LARGE AMOUNTS OF OUR TIME AND OUR MONEY TO THE COMMUNITY. SPECIFICALLY, WE DO THIS WITH A HUMANE SOCIETY, ADOPT A KITTY. WE DO THIS WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED, NO STIPULATIONS BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS OUR DEFINITION OF CARING FOR A COMMUNITY. THE BANEY GROUP CLAIMS THEY WILL DONATE MONEY, BUT ONLY IF THE PROJECT IS PASSED. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARING ABOUT A COMMUNITY AND ONLY SEEKING A STRIP MINE. AT FORTS TOURIST MONEY, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR PROJECT AND TOURIST MONEY. THEY'RE TRYING TO PERSUADE US TO ACT IN THEIR FAVOR. MAYBE THEY'LL THROW US A LITTLE MONEY IF THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT. THAT ISN'T THE DEFINITION OF CARING FOR A COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A BRIBE. I THANKS. THANK YOU. LARRY JACKSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MIKE VITECH. LARRY JACKSON, SEDONA RESIDENT. [03:00:01] I LIVED IN SADDLE ROCK FOR 26 YEARS. SADDLE ROCK IS NOT THE SAME AS IT WAS 26 YEARS AGO, AND NEITHER IS SEDONA. OVER THE YEARS SINCE SADDLE ROCK BARN VACATED THE PROPERTY, WE'VE HEARD MANY, MANY IDEAS FOR THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY. SOME ARE OUTRAGEOUS. I'M FROM THE SCHOOL OF THE DEVIL I KNOW VERSUS THE DEVIL. I DON'T KNOW. I ATTENDED TWO OUTREACH MEETINGS GOING BACK TO 2017. UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS OUT OF THE CITY FOR THE LAST TWO. I ATTENDED A MEETING OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT WAS ORGANIZED BY SEDONA RESIDENTS UNITED. I ATTENDED A MEETING ORGANIZED BY THIS DEVELOPER IN TERMS OF WHAT I'VE SEEN OF THE INPUT THEY PUT INTO THIS PROJECT. THEY'RE A QUALITY DEVELOPER. IT WILL GET DEVELOPED IF WE PASS IT. I'M AFRAID OF ALL THE OTHER USES THAT I'VE HEARD OVER THE YEARS FOR THIS PROPERTY. IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, I'VE SEEN A LOT. I'VE SPENT 30 YEARS IN PROPERTY DEVELOP, NOT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, BUT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS MUCH INPUT INTO THE AREA. MY COMMUNITY IS NOW HALF WHAT YOU CALL SHORT TERM RENTALS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS EFFECT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE ON IT, BUT I THINK THIS IS A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT PROJECT BY A QUALITY DEVELOPER. AGAIN, I'VE HEARD OVER THE YEARS, HALFWAY HOUSE WITH DRUG REHABILITATORS, UM, MEDICAL FACILITIES, LOAD, LOW, HIGH DENSITY, LOW INCOME HOUSING. I'VE HEARD ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THIS IS THE BEST USE OF THAT LAND THAT I'VE SEEN THAT WE CAN, WE CAN AGREE WITH. IN TERMS OF THOSE 11 ITEMS OF NON-COMPLIANCE. THE BARNEY GROUP WENT OVER WITH IT, AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT CAN'T BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE DE DETAILED DESIGN. THEY'RE ALL MINOR BIKE RACKS, SETBACKS. THEY'RE ALL CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF. GET RID OF THAT SIDEWALK EXTENSION. THE SHORT TERM RENTERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T PICK UP AFTER THEIR DOGS. I PUT SIGNS OUT FOR IT. DOES THIS BELONG TO YOU? DON'T GIVE 'EM A SIDEWALK TO GET MORE OF 'EM INTO MY COMMUNITY. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. THANK YOU, LARRY. MICHAEL VITEK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SUSAN, UH, RITTER. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE VITEK AND I LIVE IN SEDONA ON SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS NOW. FIRST THING I HAVE TO SAY IS MY DOOR, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IS NEVER KNOCKED ON. IF YOU WOULD'VE BEEN SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THAT AND GETTING INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS, YOU WOULD'VE HAD A DOOR TAG TO PUT ON WITH WHO YOU REPRESENTED AND PHONE NUMBER TO CALL. AND THEN YOU WOULD'VE PROBABLY GOT A HUNDRED PERCENT FROM THE RESIDENTS. AND IT'S EASY TO FIND OUT WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN GO TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE. IN FACT, MY SEARCH AND RESCUE TEAM, WE HAVE AN APP AND WE GO TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOUSE FOR FLOODS AND FIRES. WE KNOW THEIR NAMES. WE GO UP TO THE DOOR, KNOCK, HEY MR. JONES. SO THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT NOT THE NAMES IS REALLY BAD. BUT AS FAR AS MY, AS FAR AS I KNOW MY DOOR EVER AND I TALKED KNOCKED ON, UM, THE OTHER POINT I WANNA MAKE IS THE SADDLE ROCK CONNECTOR ROAD IS GONNA BE A PRIVATE ROAD. THAT ROAD CAN BE TERMINATED AND SHUT DOWN ANYTIME THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO 'CAUSE IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD THAT LEAVES SADDLE ROCK WITH BASICALLY ONE EXIT UP VALLEY VIEW TO AIRPORT ROAD AND AN INCLEMENT WEATHER, SNOW AND ICE. THE GRADE OF THAT ROAD RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION MAKES IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR A TWO WHEEL DRIVE CAR TO GET OUT OF THAT AREA. OKAY, THE, THE ROOFTOP GARDEN. YEP. THE, UM, LIGHTING THERE WILL BE NIGHT SKY COMPLIANT. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REFLECTIONS? THOSE LIGHTS WILL REFLECT AND THEY WILL GO UP INTO THE SKY. SO IT'S NOT REALLY NIGHT COMPLIANT. IT'S ALWAYS LIGHT. ALSO, THE CITY REQUIRED THE SAT CULTURAL PARK TO TERMINATE THEIR MUSIC AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. AND THAT WAS AN AREA THAT WAS AWAY FROM ANY HOUSES. NOW THIS IS RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD AND 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT IS MUCH TOO LATE. IT SHOULD BE TERMINATED NINE O'CLOCK OR EARLIER. SOMEBODY SAID, WELL HAVE A DECIBEL METER SO [03:05:01] YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH NOISE IS GOING. WHO'S GONNA ENFORCE IT AND WHAT'S GONNA BE THE PENALTY. UM, THE DEVELOPER AT ONE MEETING A LONG TIME AGO SAID HE WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE RESIDENCE OF SEDONA. WELL, A GOOD NEIGHBOR WOULD MAINTAIN HIS PROPERTY. YOU'VE ALL DRIVEN PAST HIS PROPERTY. DOES THAT LOOK LIKE A GOOD PROPERTY FOR SEDONA? FULL OF WEEDS? I COMPLAINED TO THE CITY A COUPLE TIMES AND I JUST GOT FED UP 'CAUSE HE NEVER TOOK CARE OF IT. UH, THE OTHER THING IS MONEY. MANY OF US GIVE TO OUR NONPROFITS IN SEDONA. WE DON'T ASK THEM TO DO SOMETHING FOR US LIKE THE BANEY CORPORATION HAS DONE. THEY WANNA PUT CONDITIONS. AND MANY OF YOUR LETTERS IN FAVOR OF THIS IN YOUR OWN HANDOUTS ARE FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RESIDENTS OF SEDONA. SO TAKE THAT FOR A GRAIN OF SALT. BUT I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS PROJECT THE WAY IT IS. THANK YOU MICHAEL. SUSAN RITTER BY WILL BE NEXT BY, UH, ELLEN MCLEOD. MCLEOD. I AM SUSAN RITTER. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1995. IT HAS SURE CHANGED. PUT THE MIC DOWN THE MIC. JUST PULL THE MIC DOWN. OKAY. THAT'S BETTER. I'M SUSAN RITTER. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1995 WHEN MY DAUGHTER AND HER HUSBAND HAD THEIR SECOND CHILD. UH, I HELPED THEM GET A HOME IN SADDLE ROCK. UH, A LOVELY COMMUNITY, BUSY THEN. NOW SADDLE ROCK IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. I DON'T KNOW WHO THINKS IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND, UH, TRYING TO OPEN THIS UP TO ANYTHING GOES IS NOT WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I MEAN, WE HAD OUR GRANDSON RIDING A BIKE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. FORTUNATELY, HE DRIVES OFF TO N AU EVERY DAY NOW. BUT, UH, IT IS, WE GOTTA KEEP OUR FAMILIES WITH PLACES TO LIVE AND RAISE THEIR CHILDREN. THIS IDEA OF SHORT TERM RENTALS ISN'T EVEN LEGAL IN SADDLE ROCK. I THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING IT. PEOPLE GOT DESPERATE. PEOPLE RAN OUTTA MONEY. WE HAD COVID. IT IS BEEN A ROUGH, ROUGH FEW YEARS HERE, BUT I THINK THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER TO HAVE THIS PROJECT. I DON'T THINK IT WILL DO ANYTHING POSITIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AT ALL. THANK YOU. IS ELLEN MCLEOD HERE? VICE MAYOR? SHE LEFT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT UP IS CHERYL STRAIT, FOLLOWED BY BOBBY WOODS. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF. SOME OF THE SUBJECTS HAVE BEEN COVERED ALREADY, SO I I'LL ELIMINATE THOSE. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF VINCENT? I'M SORRY. OF COURSE. CHERYL STRAIT AND I LIVE IN SADDLE ROCK. UM, WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR OVER FOUR YEARS. WE MOVED HERE. WE LOOKED AT EMPTY LOTS, DECIDED WE WOULD BUILD A HOUSE, DECIDED ON SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT WAS QUIET, IT WAS PEACEFUL. IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR COMING FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. WE DIDN'T WANT THE TRAFFIC ANYMORE. SO, UM, WE, WE ESPECIALLY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES. UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN COVERED. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF MAKING A RIGHT TURN ONLY ON 89 A IS WONDERFUL. I CAN BARELY MAKE A LEFT THERE AS IT IS. BUT THEN WHERE DO YOU TURN AROUND IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO GO WEST ON 89 A THERE'S NO PLACE TO TURN AROUND EITHER. SO, UM, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME, UM, EXITING OUT OF AIRPORT ROAD. IF YOU'RE NOT A RESIDENT HERE, YOU, YOU REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY, LIKE WE SAID ABOUT THE ICE AND THE ROADS AND THE CARS COMING DOWN OVER THE SPEED LIMIT DOWN THE HILL, AND, UM, NOT NECESSARILY PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO YOU WANTING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN ON AIRPORT ROAD. SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN WITH INCREASED, UH, TRAFFIC, UM, THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY. SCOOTERS, MOTORCYCLES, BICYCLES, UH, PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW, WANDERING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MAYBE IT'S LATE AS 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WHEN THE BAR CLOSES. I DON'T KNOW. UM, SO WE, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF THAT. DANGERS TO CHILDREN, OF COURSE. UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CUT THROUGH THE CVS PARKING LOT TO GET FROM AIRPORT ROAD ONTO 89. THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T EVEN BACK OUT OF A PARKING SPACE. THAT'S GONNA INCREASE, THAT'S GONNA CREATE MORE LIABILITY POTENTIALLY FOR CVS, THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW, UM, UTILITY VEHICLES. THAT CONCERNS ME A GREAT DEAL. NOT JUST WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A HOTEL, YOU HAVE DAILY TRASH PICKUP DELIVERIES, PACKAGES, CLEANING AND REPAIR SERVICES, [03:10:01] LOCKSMITHS, WINDOW CLEANERS, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, BUSES, SHUTTLES, TAXIS, UBER DRIVERS, UM, UTILITY COMPANIES. IT, IT GOES ON AND ON. THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE ALL THE TIME. THAT DOESN'T GO AWAY WHEN THE BUILDING IS FINISHED. UM, THE NOISE LEVELS, THE PARTIES, THE TOURISTS, EVERYBODY'S TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY. UM, I DON'T THINK THE HOTEL AT THIS POINT IS OF ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA. UM, HAVING A VERY LIMITED USAGE OF THE RESTAURANT AND, UM, AND LOUNGE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE IN THAT AREA. I'LL JUST WALK TO ANOTHER RESTAURANT. THANK YOU. UM, BIG CONCERN ABOUT DECLINING PROPERTY VALUES. THAT IS PROBABLY MY HUSBAND'S AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN. SO I'M CLOSING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, WE'VE NEVER BEEN CONTACTED BY THE DEVELOPER OTHER THAN TWO DAYS AGO. WE'VE LIVED HERE OVER FOUR YEARS. UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE AGAINST THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, SPECIFICALLY THE HOTEL. I'M NOT AGAINST, UH, LOW INCOME HOUSING WHATSOEVER. UM, BUT ANYWAY, EVERYBODY'S COVERED MOST OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, SO I'LL STOP THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, BOBBY, YOU'RE UP NEXT, UH, WITH SYLVIA THOMPSON, UH, WILL BE NEXT. UH, MY NAME IS BOBBY WOODS. UH, I LIVED IN COTTONWOOD, BUT MY FATHER MOVED OUR FAMILY UP HERE 55 YEARS AGO, SO WE'VE BEEN AROUND A LITTLE WHILE. I'M AN ARCHITECT AND BEEN PRACTICING IN THE AREA QUITE A WHILE. AND JUST BY HAPPENSTANCE I SAW THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS HEARING TODAY. SO I WAS PRETTY INTERESTED IN CHECKING IT OUT. UH, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL, UH, SOLUTION. AND WHEN I HEAR ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND HURDLES TO SOME DEGREE THAT THE ARCHITECTS HAD TO GET THROUGH IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPERS, IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE THAT THEY CAME TODAY WITH SUCH A WELL THOUGHT OUT PROJECT. UM, SO I WANNA WELCOME THE BLANEY'S TO CENTRAL ARIZONA FROM DOMINGUEZ MARAUDER TO A BADGER. UM, UH, I THINK YOU'D BE GREAT NEIGHBORS AND I, AND I HOPE THIS YOU HAVE SOME SUCCESS WITH THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. BOBBY. SYLVIA, UH, THOMPSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, HAYDEN. OH, UH, MR. BANEY. HELLO, SYLVIA THOMPSON. I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN SADDLE ROCK IN 2020 AND I'M A FULL-TIME RESIDENT. UM, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I BOUGHT IN SEDONA, I MOVED HERE NINE YEARS AGO, WAS IT WAS QUIET. IT WAS DARK AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. AND I AM PROBABLY THE MOST CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT ABOUT THE DARKNESS, THE NOISE, AND THE LIGHT. UM, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED THAT, FOR INSTANCE, THE POOL WILL ONLY BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE DONE LIGHT SPILLAGE ABOUT, UM, GOING, UM, OUTWARD. BUT I WONDER WHAT THE LIGHT SPILLAGE WILL BE GOING UPWARD. UM, I SIT MY, MY BACK DECK, WHICH I SIT ON ALL THE TIME, WHICH I HAVE A GORGEOUS, GORGEOUS VIEW OF THUNDER MOUNTAIN. I THINK I HAVE THE BEST VIEW IN SEDONA IS GONNA BE OVERLOOKING YOUR HOTEL. NOW I'M UP THE HILL, WHICH WILL GIVE ME EVEN MORE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK DOWN ON THE POOL AND DOWN ON THE BAR AND DOWN ON THE HOT TUB AND SEE THE LIGHTS AND THE PEOPLE AND HEAR THE NOISE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WORRY ABOUT. I'M A STAR FREAK. I'M OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE NIGHT SKY. I HAVE MY TELESCOPE. I WATCH THE METEOR SHOWERS. I MAKE WISHES ON THE MOON. I WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE THEM. AND THAT CONCERNS ME TREMENDOUSLY. I WALK EVERY DAY TO THE LABYRINTH THAT'S THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY. NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT THE LABYRINTH THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN SADDLE ROCK SUBDIVISION. MOST OF YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT IT WAS BUILT FOR US. I DON'T WANT VISITORS TO THE COMMUNITY, NOR DOES THE MAN WHO BUILT THAT AND MAINTAINS THAT, THAT, UM, LABYRINTH TO HAVE TO FIGHT PEOPLE, UM, UM, TO KEEP IT FROM THE COMMUNITY. I LIKE WHERE I LIVE, QUIET. I LIKE IT DARK. I PLAN TO DIE THERE. I DON'T PLAN TO GO ANY PLACE ELSE, BUT, AND I'M NOT GONNA DIE FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME, . SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT ANYWAY, I WANT IT TO STAY THE WAY IT IS. UM, UM, I BELIEVE IN PROGRESS, BUT NOT IN THIS KIND. AND I HATE TO TELL YOU, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I GOT NO LETTERS AND YOU HAVEN'T COME TO MY DOOR. AND I'VE BEEN STUCK IN THE HOUSE WITH A BROKEN FOOT FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS. SO MY HOUSE YOU MISSED. [03:15:01] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SYLVIA. MR. BENEY, HAY, HAYDEN, BENNY BANEY. I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK. I I THOUGHT I NEEDED TO FILL OUT ONE OF THOSE CARDS. NO, NO, YOU ARE GOOD. AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IN CASE YOU, YOU WANTED TO. OKAY. UH, OH. BOTH OF YOU. UH, KURT, DO YOU, YOU WANNA DO IT ALSO? NO, I'LL BE BRIEF. OKAY. KURT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. SO, KURT, BANEY BEND, OREGON, UH, DEVELOPER OF THE HOTEL. UH, JUST WANNA THANK THE COUNCIL FOR, FOR HEARING OUR APPLICATION. WE'RE, UH, REALLY GRATEFUL TO PRESENT. UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT, UH, PUT INTO THIS ON OUR PART. I KNOW THE CITY HAS ALSO PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, ONE COMMENT, UH, I THINK WE'VE REITERATED IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LOT OF INPUT OVER, OVER TIME. THE PROJECT'S, UH, MATURED AND, AND GOTTEN A LOT BETTER. UM, ONE OF THE THING CURRENT CONCERNS WE'VE HAD, UH, THAT WE'VE HEARD IS ABOUT THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING A LITTLE BIT. AND, UH, IT'S OUR INTENT TO GO AHEAD AND OPERATE IT OURSELVES. WE WANNA ENSURE THAT, UH, STANDARDS ARE HELD AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RENT NIGHTLY OR, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR OR 30 30 DAY RENTALS. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. UH, KATHY HOWE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MR. DILLER OR MRS. DILLER. I CAN'T SEE THE, WE THE FIRST, I THINK IT'S KEN DILLER. OKAY, PERFECT. KATHY, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES. KATHY HOWE, UM, I LIVE IN UPTOWN. I'VE BEEN A SEDONA RESIDENT SINCE, UH, JANUARY, JANUARY 2ND, 2002. AND I WAS VERY HAPPY TO GET BACK HERE FROM HAWAII. WHAT I'M GONNA SAY IS I WATCHED AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING DEALT WITH IN THE HAWAIIAN ISLANDS AND THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF IT. SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT I REALLY WANT TO SEE GREATER DENSITY HERE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT'S THE WAY WE SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. AND I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK OVER THIS PLAN. I LIKE IT. IT'S COMPACT. I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE US WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE NEED. I KNOW NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GONNA SUFFER OVER THINGS. I HAPPEN TO LIVE ON A STREET WITH NINE HOUSES. I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT GETS MAIL. DOES THAT TELL YOU HOW MANY SHORT TERM RENTALS I HAVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I'VE FOUND THAT THEY'RE VERY HAPPY, THEY'RE VERY GOOD PEOPLE. I HAVE 'EM OVER FOR COCKTAILS FROM TIME TO TIME. PLEASE APPROVE THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. YOU LIVE IN UPTOWN. I DO DON'T. ALRIGHT, JUST PLEASE TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. UH, MR. DILLER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DOREEN SLAVIN. THANKS COUNSEL. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING ALL YOU'RE DOING AND EVEN TO THE BANEY, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE UP TO. I RESPECT HOW MUCH EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO IT. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS AND I CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT. I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF AIRPORT ROAD AND WE WALK OUR LITTLE BOOMY RIGHT THROUGH THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY DAY. AND I ALWAYS PICK UP THE POOP, SO NOT TO WORRY. ALWAYS, ALWAYS PICK UP THE POOP. UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN COOKS HILL, WE KNOW IT'S PRETTY SEVERE AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE DENSITY THAT COMES WITH IT. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD MENTIONED. UM, AND THAT'S THE NOISE IMPACT. THE NOISE POLLUTION THAT'S GONNA EXIST DURING THE BUILDING MODE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS IS GONNA HAVE A REAL SEVERE IMPACT, NOT JUST TO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO WITH THE VIEW SHED BEING DISTURBED. IT'S GONNA OBVIOUSLY IMPACT, UH, HOME VALUES AS WELL, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT LIVE RIGHT BEHIND IT. UM, THE THING THAT I'D LOVE TO SEE, WHICH WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IS, LOOK, I I DON'T BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER FIT IF YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THE ZONING THAN WHAT THE BANEY HAVE OFFERED. MY SOLUTION, HOWEVER, IS ACTUALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THE ZONING TO IT, DO IT SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY BENEFITS THE LOCAL COMMUNITY THAT, THAT WE WANT. HOW ABOUT A PARK AREA? HOW ABOUT GENERATE A GREEN SPACE AREA WHERE, LOOK, UH, OUR, LET'S GET OUR TAX DOLLARS TO WORK. I TOOK A LOOK AT THIS AND BOY, THERE'S A PRETTY BIG SURPLUS OF MONEY THAT, THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY. AND OH MY GOD, IT WOULDN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DOLLARS TO CREATE A BEAUTIFUL GREEN SPACE IN THAT OPEN AREA AND SERVICE THE RESIDENTS WITHOUT HAVING A MASSIVE IMPACT THE WAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD. SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOTTA SAY. THAT WOULD BE MY, UH, INVITATION AND SOLUTION IS ACTUALLY TO REZONE IT TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROVIDE REAL VALUE FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND WOULD BE A REAL PLACE OF, UH, GATHERING AND RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF WEST SEDONA. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. THANKS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. DOREEN SLOVEN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY KAREN. UH, YODON. [03:20:03] THANK YOU. I AM SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. PULL THE MIC DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. I AM SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AS WELL AS MY HUSBAND. YOU NEED YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, REEN SLEVIN AND PAUL SLEVIN AT 70 SADDLE ROCK LANE. WE HAVE OWNED OUR PROPERTY SINCE 1992 AND WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY WATCHING SEDONA GROW. SO WE KNOW WHAT CAME OUT GOOD. WE KNOW WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED AND WE'RE STUCK WITH IT. SO I AM HERE TO SAY THAT ALSO BEING ON SADDLE ROCK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, I WISH PARTICIPATION IN OUR SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER THAN WHAT IT WAS. SO I CAN SEE HOW HERE IN THE CITY WITH OTHER PEOPLE, YOUNGER, OLDER, OR NOT EVEN TRUE RESIDENTS OF OUR SUBDIVISION DON'T TAKE AN ACT OF PARTICIPATION UNTIL IT'S AT THE END OF THE TRAIL. SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT HUMAN NATURE BEING WHAT IT IS, SOME PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED AND SOME ARE NOT. UM, WE PREFER MY HUSBAND AND I, UH, TO, UH, LOOK AT PROS AND CONS OF ANY SITUATION BEFORE MAKING A JUDGMENT. AND THANKS TO THE GENTLEMAN'S HERE, UH, WE WERE ABLE AT THE LAST MINUTE TO HAVE A MEETING ON MONDAY, UH, AND DISCUSS THE BUILDER SIDE. WE ALSO ATTENDED THE ANTI MEETING, WHICH WAS ON FRIDAY. AND JUST AS A SIDESTEP, MY FIRST QUESTION IS THAT MEETING WAS, WHY ISN'T THE OTHER PEOPLE INVITED? NO ANSWER. LATER I HEARD THE HEAD OF IT SAID, I DON'T WANT THEM THERE. SO, UH, HAVING TO LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES I THOUGHT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY. SO YOU ARE DOING THAT FOR US. THANK YOU. SO THAT WE CAN HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY. UH, CHANGE IS DIFFICULT AND NO FINAL DECISION IS EVER OKAYED BY EVERYBODY. SINCE THIS ITEM HAS LONG BEEN DEBATED AND ADJUSTMENTS MADE, ARE WE REALLY AT THE FINAL DECISION OR IS THERE ROOM TO RECONSIDER? NOTHING'S PERFECT. AND YOU HAVE SAT IN ON MANY REQUESTS TO BUILD IN SEDONA. YOU KNOW, GOOD PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HONEST PEOPLE. SORRY, THE TIME IS UP. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO APPRECIATE THAT. I BELIEVE THEY ARE VERY GOOD AND THIS WOULD BE A SHAME TO THROW IT AWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, DOREEN SLEVIN, THAT'S, OH, I'M SORRY. UH, KAREN JODEN AND WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN GRIFFIN. JOHN, YOU STILL HERE? I DIDN'T SEE YOU. OH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I'M KAREN YODER. I OWN PROPERTY IN THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY IN SEDONA. AND I THANK YOU ALL, THE COUNCIL, THE STAFF, AND THE BABIES FOR ALL OF THE TIME AND THE HARD WORK JOHN GRIFFIN, THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO ALL OF THIS. I ACTUALLY DID RECEIVE THE CORRESPONDENCE AND ZOOMED IN ON THE VIRTUAL MEETING IN AUGUST OF 2021. I ALSO REQUESTED THE STORY POLLS 'CAUSE I'M A VISUAL PERSON. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL. UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON DECEMBER OF 2021. AND SINCE THEN, IN ALL HONESTY, I HAVEN'T RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM YOU, BUT A LOT OF MY CONCERNS SEEM TO BE ADDRESSED IN YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN WRITING YET OR FORMALIZED YET. UM, THEY WERE IN MY, MY QUESTIONS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER THEM. BASICALLY REPEATING WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID. MOST OF US UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THAT CHANGE IS INEVITABLE AND DEVELOPMENT IS INHERENT TO HUMAN NATURE. WHEN CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT ARE MINDFUL OF RELEVANT AND APPROPRIATE, THEY TEND TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE ENVIRONMENT WITH MINIMAL NEGATIVE IMPACT IN THE SHORT TERM, WHICH IS DURING CONSTRUCTION, ONE OF YOU MENTIONED AND IN THE LONG TERM. SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, AS PART OF THE BANEY CORPORATION'S [03:25:01] RESEARCH AND DUE DILIGENCE, HAVE THEY OR YOU? UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER, I'M JUST, IT'S THEORETICAL. ANALYZED THE SEASONAL AND ANNUAL OCCUPANCY RATES OF THE EXISTING HOTELS AND RESORTS IN SEDONA FOR THE PAST THREE TO FIVE YEARS, JUST TO GET TRENDS TO DETERMINE IF WEST SEDONA ACTUALLY NEEDS ANOTHER HOTEL. ALTHOUGH YOUR HOTEL, ALL OF THE FEATURES SEEM BEAUTIFUL. I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE, THE LIGHT, THE TRAFFIC, THE DOG, THE BACTERIA FROM THE DOG, WASTE NOT BEING PICKED UP MORE. UM, SOME OF THOSE WERE ADDRESSED TONIGHT. UM, IF THAT, UM, RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION. NUMBER TWO, AS PART OF THE BANNEY CORPORATION'S RESEARCH, HAVE THEY SURVEYED THE CURRENT AVAILABILITY OF LOCAL EMPLOYEES? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU RECRUIT FROM THE HOSPITALITY COLLEGES, WHICH I THINK IS A PHENOMENAL IDEA, BUT I, UM, WONDERED IF YOU WERE GONNA BE RECRUITING EMPLOYEES FROM WITHIN A 30 MILE COMMUTING DISTANCE, WHICH WAS KIND OF REASONABLE OR FROM OUT OF THE AREA, WHICH MEANS THAT UP TO 35 PLUS ONE EMPLOYEES WOULD BE OCCUPYING YOUR, UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING, POSSIBLY. UM, WHICH WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HELP THE SHORTAGE OF LOW INCOME OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SEDONA, ONLY LEAVING FIVE OR SO OF THOSE UNITS AVAILABLE FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTS IN NEED. AND THREE, HAS THE BANEY CORPORATION CONDUCTED AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY CONSIDERING THE OPTIMAL MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THE GUESTS, RESIDENTS, AND STAFF THAT JUST PROJECTS YOU HAD ALREADY ADDRESSED VEHICULAR TRAFFIC? OKAY, TIME IS UP. OH, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. YEAH, THE, THE, THE BUZZ IS NOT WORKING FOR SOME REASON, BUT IT, WE CAN'T, IT'S SOMETHING NEW. ROGER, I NO, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE NEXT. BUT IS, UH, JOHN GRIFFIN, HAS HE LEFT? UH, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL? UH, ROGER EASTMAN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF JOHN. HE HAD A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT THAT KEPT HIM AWAY FROM TONIGHT. OKAY. SO YOU I'M HIS PROXY, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU. IT'S NOT SO, UH, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR CARD NEXT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, BY ALL MEANS, I CAN DO THAT. I'M STILL ROGER EASTMAN SEDONA RESIDENT, UM, COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO SUPPORT WHAT I BELIEVE IS RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT ON WHAT'S REALLY A VERY SPECIAL PARCEL. SO I'M GONNA GO BACK IN TIME JUST A LITTLE BIT. IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING STAFF, UM, SEDONA STAFF AND ALL THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS SPENT SOME TIME BRAINSTORMING WHAT WEST SEDONA CORRIDOR SHOULD LOOK LIKE. HOW CAN WE HAVE ACTIVITY CENTERS, PLACES OF HIGHER INTENSITY ACTIVITY RATHER THAN JUST A CONTINUOUS STRIP OF DEVELOPMENT. THAT PLAN WAS ACCEPTED, NOT ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND BECAME A GUIDE FOR US AS CITY PLANNERS AT THE TIME. AT THAT TIME, THE BILES FAMILY WAS THINKING ABOUT MOVING ON FROM THEIR PROPERTY. WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT CITY HALL BEING THERE BEFORE THIS PROPERTY BECAME AVAILABLE. BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, A HOTEL, RETAIL, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 'CAUSE IN THE TWO THOUSANDS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS STILL AN ISSUE. I MET THE BANEY FAMILY JUST BEFORE I LEFT THE CITY IN 2006 AND I'VE LOST TOUCH WITH THEM. AND THEIR PROPOSAL FOR THE HOTEL THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. SO YOU REALLY HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO THE SEDONA. IT'S A HUGE WIN FOR US BECAUSE OF ALL THE EXTRAORDINARY COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT MR. TATE HAS EXPLAINED TO YOU AND YOU SEE IN HIS PRESENTATION. AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A HOTEL AT THIS LOCATION WITH THE 40 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. AND AS HE HAS EXPLAINED, IF COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT DID GO HERE, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE SIMILAR PROBLEMS WITH LIGHTING AND TRAFFIC AND ALL THE REST OF THAT. AND YOU JUST WOULDN'T GET THE QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT I BELIEVE THIS HOTEL WOULD BRING YOU. I THINK IT'S DOUBTFUL THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL EVER SEE A PROJECT LIKE THIS AGAIN, THAT PROVIDES THESE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CRITICALLY IMPORTANT INTERSECTION IN SEDONA. THE BENEFITS YOU'RE GONNA RECEIVE, WE WILL RECEIVE AS RESIDENTS OUTWEIGH ANY PERCEIVED NEGATIVE, UM, COMMENTS. SO I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT AND RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE RIGHT DEVELOPER AT THE RIGHT TIME. AND I DO IMPLORE YOU TO SUPPORT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THIS PROJECT. AND IF I HAVE IN A FEW LAST SECONDS REMAINING, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY HOTEL NEXT TO RESIDENCES JUST DOING A QUICK COUNT. I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST SIX IN WEST SEDONA AND I HAVEN'T EVEN CONSIDERED THOSE ELSEWHERE. MM-HMM. , WE'RE [03:30:01] NOT HAVING PROBLEMS. ROGER, YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU, MA'AM. SORRY. THANK YOU CA UH, CAROL RIZZI WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SUSAN LONG. CAROL IZZY, JUST BRING THE MIC DOWN TO YOU PLEASE AND START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE. HI, CAROL IZZY, SEDONA, ARIZONA. I LIVE IN THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY. UH, WE HAD A MEETING THE OTHER DAY, THANKFULLY IT WAS A QUICK ONE, BUT, UH, IT WAS VERY AD HOC. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET MORE OF THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED BECAUSE WE REACHED OUT TO A PERSON WHO HAD A LIST OF THE COMMUNITY AND WAS UNWILLING TO SEND OUT A NOTICE. SO IT WAS A VERY QUICK SHORT MEETING THIS PAST MONDAY. BUT WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND, UH, THEY WERE ANSWERED. SO WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 25 YEARS. WE'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR 30. SO, UM, WE HAVE ALL THE CONCERNS THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS WITH ALL OF THOSE OTHER ISSUES. LIGHTING. SO ON, UH, ONE THING, MY HUSBAND'S UNDECIDED, WHEREAS I AM MORE PRO THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, YOU WILL GET THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU GET A VARIED COMMUNITY OF HOUSING, UH, STUDIO ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, WHICH I THINK NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER FAMILY. MY CONCERNS ARE WITH, UH, THE EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALK, WHICH WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS MANDATORY AND I'M HO IT WAS, UH, IMPOSITION ON THE DEVELOPER. SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT COULD BE TAKEN OFF AND JUST A SIDEWALK IF, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THAT THE SIDEWALK JUST GO TO THE END OF THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT INTO OUR COMMUNITY TO VALLEY VIEW. ALSO, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, THAT A DOT DO NOT, DOES NOT PUT THAT PORK CHOP IN. WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE A RIGHT AND LEFT, UH, OPPORTUNITY NOW AND I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD STAY NO MATTER WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, GOES FORWARD. UM, ALSO I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY LOVELY THAT THEY TOOK OUR SUGGESTION FOR A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY, NO LEFT TURNS INTO SADDLE ROCK, THAT THAT MIGHT DETER A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM MAKING THAT LEFT TURN. SO THAT'S VERY, UM, MUCH APPRECIATED. UM, WE DO HAVE ENOUGH HOTELS IN SEDONA, HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE IF THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, UH, WHICH AT SOME POINT IT WILL GET DEVELOPED. I'VE ENJOYED THIS PROPERTY EMPTY FOR 30 YEARS, SO I'M SURE AT SOME POINT IT WILL GET DEVELOPED. BUT THIS, IF THEY DO DO IT ACCORDING TO THEIR PLANS AND THE RENDERINGS THAT THEY SHOW, IT WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAROL. SUSAN LONG WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DANIEL TODD, MY NAME IS, UH, SUSAN LONG AND I AM A RESIDENT OF, UM, THE SADDLE ROCK ESTATES AND I, UM, DON'T AGREE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, UH, PROJECT. AND I'VE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 13 YEARS AND THE CHANGES IN SEDONA HAVE AFTER THE PANDEMIC HAVE JUST RUINED THIS TOWN. AND UNFORTUNATELY, MY HUSBAND AND I HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE WOULDN'T MOVE, THAT HE WOULD LEAVE THIS TOWN FEET FIRST. AND UNFORTUNATELY HE DIED IN OCTOBER, SORRY, IN A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT IN THE CANYON. SO I JUST CAME HERE TONIGHT TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT IF I'M GONNA END UP SELLING MY PROPERTY. AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, I, I BELIEVE I WILL. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY MS. LONG THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING. DANIEL TODD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CHERYL, UH, BENTLEY. DO WE NOT HAVE DANIEL TODD, CHERYL BAILEY. OH, THAT WORKS. BUT I'M, RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING FOR, FOR DANIEL TODD GOING ONCE GOING. HE WAS HERE. HE WAS HERE, BUT YEAH, HE JUST STEPPED OUT, SO. ALRIGHT, WELL, WELL CHERYL, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP AND WE'LL GIVE UH, DANIEL A SECOND CHANCE AFTER YOU'RE DONE, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE. SURE. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS CHERYL BAILEY AND I LIVE IN SADDLE ROCK HOMES. UM, ACTUALLY ONE OF THE HOMES RIGHT BEHIND THE FENCE. UM, AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY HUSBAND AND I, HE COULDN'T MAKE IT AS HE'S TRAVELING. UM, HE'S [03:35:01] LIVED HERE SINCE 2012 AND I'VE LIVED HERE FULL TIME SINCE 2020. UH, BOTH OF US ARE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT. UM, MY HUSBAND AND I ORIGINALLY MOVED HERE FROM THE EAST COAST AND MOVED TO SEDONA. UM, AS IT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO FIND A PLACE THAT WAS MORE OF A COMMUNITY AND LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFESTYLE AND A SLOWER PACE AND QUIET. UM, I ALSO TOO UNDERSTAND THAT CHANGE IS AN INVE AND IS INEVITABLE AS IS GROWTH. HOWEVER, CHANGE IT SHOULD BE DONE MINDFULLY AND CONSCIOUSLY. THIS LAND IS OPEN FOR DEVELOPMENT AND EVENTUALLY SOMETHING WILL GO THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS THE BEST THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I DID SPEAK TO A REPRESENTATIVE THAT CAME TO MY HOUSE THE OTHER DAY. IT WAS ABBY. UM, UNFORTUNATELY I'M A LITTLE SHOCKED BECAUSE ABBY NEVER REPRESENTED THAT SHE WAS WITH THE BANEY PROJECT. YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE FROM LIKE THE YAVAPI AREA, YOU NEVER SPECIFICALLY SAID THE BANEY. AND SO TONIGHT WHEN I HEARD THAT I WAS PARTICULARLY SHOCKED AND FELT VERY BETRAYED. UM, SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT, UH, THAT DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE 365 DAYS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY. UM, I EVEN MENTIONED TO ABBY THE OTHER DAY SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN USE OR EVEN COMMERCIAL USE 'CAUSE THINGS SHUT DOWN. UM, I HAVE TO ASK THAT IF THE HOTEL REALLY NEEDS, IF WE NEED ANOTHER HOTEL IN SEDONA. I ACTUALLY AM A WELLNESS PRACTITIONER AND I TRAVEL AROUND TO A NUMBER OF HOTELS. SO I WORK IN THE HOTEL INDUSTRY AND THIS IS A TRADE THAT I'M IN AND I RELY ON TOURISM AND I RELY ON HOTELS IN OUR COMMUNITY SUPPORTING ME AS A ENTREPRENEUR. I OFTEN GO TO HOTELS AND SEE THAT THEY'RE RUNNING AT ABOUT 60% CAPACITY. AND I HAVE OFTEN SEEN THAT THERE IS A BIG PROBLEM IN STAFFING. AND SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE ENOUGH EMPLOYEES. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS ONE HOTEL STEALS FROM THE OTHER HOTEL AND THEN THE OTHER HOTELS IN THE AREA SUFFER WITH EMPLOYEES. I ALSO ALSO HAVE TO SAY THAT THE PARK ONCE OPTION, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GONNA WORK BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AT HOTELS AND A TOURISTS WHO WANNA USE A SHUTTLE AND IT'S NOT READILY AVAILABLE. SAY IT'S STUCK ON COOKS HILL, THEY'RE GONNA GET IN THEIR CAR AND THEY'RE GONNA TRY AND DRIVE AND THEY'RE GONNA PARK WHEREVER THEY CAN BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SEDONA, YOU HAVE TO BE PATIENT WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR TRAFFIC. UM, I ALSO WANNA SAY THAT ONCE THE RESTAURANT TURNED INTO STAGECOACH, IT GREATLY AFFECTED, I'M SORRY, YOUR TIME'S UP. IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT BUZZING. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. I AM IN OPPOSITION AND I HOPE YOU TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE NO THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING. DANIEL. TODD, DID YOU COME BACK? SEC, LAST CHANCE. OKAY. UH, LESLIE LUNDBERG WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SEAN SMITH. LESLIE, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE. LESLIE LUNDBERG. SEDONA AND COINCIDENTALLY BEND, OREGON. I, UM, DON'T KNOW THE BANEY, I JUST MET THEM TONIGHT SO NOBODY THINKING I'M A PLANT. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY HIKE. I WAS UP FOR MY OUTFIT. I WAS ON A HIKE. WASN'T PLANNING ON DOING THIS. SO, UM, I WANNA SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE BANEY. I DON'T KNOW THEM, BUT I LIVE IN BEND, OREGON. THEY INVESTED IN BEND AND BUILT THE OXFORD HOTEL AT A TIME WHEN BEN HAD EXPERIENCED THE WORST ECONOMIC DOWNTURN IN ITS HISTORY. THEY DID A MARVELOUS JOB. THERE IS, I'VE WATCHED THEM SUPPORT THE OSU CASCADE CULINARY PROGRAM. IT'S EXCELLENT. IF YOU GOOGLE THE OXFORD HOTEL IN BEND, OREGON, YOU WILL SEE THAT ITS FOOTPRINT IS AS ELEGANT AND AS AS SUBTLE AS IT HAS NOT CHANGED THE FOOTPRINT AT ALL. SO, BUT I ALSO WANNA SWITCH TO THE BIGGER PICTURE, WHICH I THINK IS THE NEED FOR WORKER HOUSING, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE SPEND ENOUGH TIME ON. AND I WANNA SHIFT THE CONVERSATION FROM I TO WE, WE LIVE IN A TOURIST BASED COMMUNITY. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THAT INDUSTRY. WE BENEFIT FROM THE RESTAURANTS, WE BENEFIT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE BENEFIT FROM ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO INVEST IN THEIR HOUSING AND IF WE CAN GET THE BABIES OR SOMEBODY ELSE TO HELP PAY FOR IT, WHY NOT? BECAUSE IN THE END, AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUILD WORKER HOUSING, WE DON'T. AND SO ISN'T IT BETTER TO START WITH SOMETHING? SEE IF IT WORKS. MAYBE IT'S A MODEL THAT EXPANDS. SO THAT'S, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE WORKER HOUSING MORE IN MIND, UM, [03:40:01] AS THE TOP OF THE ISSUE. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LESLIE. SEAN SMITH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY UM, MITCH RIDGE. I DUNNO IF I GOT THAT LAST NAME, BUT IF YOUR NAME IS MITCH, YOU ARE UP NEXT. OKAY. SEAN, YOU KNOW THE DRILL. HI. SEAN SMITH, RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I APPLAUD THE APPLICANT'S FOR READILY INCREASING THE WORKFORCE HOUNDING AT GREAT INITIAL EXPENSE IN LOSS OF PROFIT IN PERPETUITY. I SEE SUCH ENCUMBRANCE ON NEW DEVELOPMENT TO INCREASE HOUSING SUPPLY AS SIMPLY THE NEW STATE OF PLAY FOR THE MARQUEE DESTINATION. THAT IS SEDONA. THIS IS A SHIFT I'M GRATEFUL FROM FOR AWAY FROM THE DAYS SINCE THE COUNCIL FAILED TO MORE FULLY LEVERAGE THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THE MARRIOTT. MM-HMM. . WELL, SEDONA STILL HAS CONTROL OF ZONING. WE SHOULD TONIGHT EXPRESS A VIEW THAT ZONING CHANGES IN THE PRESENCE OF A HOUSING CRISIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE IF THERE IS NO MAJOR BENEFIT RE TO RESIDENTS AND THAT MAY BRING TRAFFIC, DETRIMENTS AND POSSIBLY PARKING ISSUES IN SURROUNDING AREAS. THE ZONING CHANGE IN THIS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS DEFINITELY NOT APPROPRIATE FOR US FOR UNIT TYPES THAT DO NOT COMPETE WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS. I SEE A DENIAL TONIGHT RESULTING ONLY IN A REDUCTION OF PROFIT IN AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RENTING MORE UNITS LONG TERM FROM AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY RIGHT PROJECT VERSUS OPERATING THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF UNITS AS A HOTEL. I SUGGEST THAT THIS MARKET JUST ISN'T RIGHT FOR TRADITIONAL UNIT TYPES AT THIS TIME. I SUGGEST A RECONSIDERATION OF APPROACH TO EITHER UNITS THAT BE COMPETE WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR ALL UNITS BEING AFFORDABLE LONG-TERM RENTALS IN WHICH UNLIMITED DENSITY IS POSSIBLE IN THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONE. THIS PROJECT WOULD'VE SAILED THROUGH FOR 100% HIGH DENSITY, DEED RESTRICTED WORKFORCE RENTAL UNITS DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THE YEARS SPENT ON THIS PROJECT SO FAR COULD HAVE BEEN YEARS PROFITING FROM LONG-TERM RENTS FROM A BUYRIGHT PROJECT. LET'S HOLD FAST FOR A PROJECT LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SEAN. MITCH, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OKAY. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. UH, BRIDGET LARGE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EMAIL TODAY. IT'S FOUR PAGES. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. UH, WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DONALD. UH, SIEGEL. GO AHEAD BRIDGET. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE OWN A HOME IN AWA WITH YOUR NAME. OH, I'M SORRY, BRIDGET. I LIVE IN SEDONA FULL TIME. WE OWN A HOME IN SADDLE ROCK LIVING HERE FULL TIME. YOU HOLD OUR LIVES IN YOUR HANDS. MY FAMILY'S BEEN IN SEDONA SINCE 78. OUR MOM DIED HERE LAST YEAR. WE LIVED IN EVERY CORNER OF SEDONA. UM, AND IN MY CAREER, I CO-FOUNDED EDUCATIONAL NON-PROFIT FOR UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS AND VOLUNTEERED AS A CASA FOR ABUSED AND NEGLECTED KIDS. MY HUSBAND'S A VETERAN, HIS BROTHER, A NURSE, THEIR FATHER, A POLICE OFFICER, BOTH VETS. WE SERVED TO BUY A HOME OR WE SEARCHED TO BUY A HOME FOR YEARS WITH DISAPPOINTMENTS. YEARS LATER WE TRIED AGAIN IN SEDONA. MOM NEEDED HELP AND WANTED OUT. WE WANTED OUT OF THE RAT RACE. WE NEEDED PEACE AND QUIET. WE SEARCHED ALMOST THREE MORE YEARS UNTIL WE FOUND OUR HOME IN IDEAL, IN THE IDEAL COMMUNITY OF SADDLE ROCK. OUR LITTLE SLICE OF PARADISE OFF 89 A. WE HAD TWO YEARS BEFORE OUR HOA WAS DISMANTLED AND REALTORS DECIDED OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS DIDN'T MATTER. SHORT TERM RENTALS MOVED IN LIKE DOMINO'S AND THIS USE WILL PUT THE FINAL NAIL IN OUR COFFIN. WE KNEW BILES WOULD BE DEVELOPED, WENT TO THE MEETINGS, HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING SINCE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I DID. ONE DECEMBER OF 21 I HAD A SEVERE MEDICAL EMERGENCY AND WAS STUCK OUTTA STATE FOR NINE MONTHS. HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SINCE. NOBODY KNOCKED ON OUR DOOR. NOBODY KNOCKED ON OUR NEIGHBOR'S DOORS. UM, WE KNEW IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED, WENT TO THE MEETINGS, BUT WHILE THE APPLICANT WAS IGNORING CITY PLANNERS AND PNZ GUIDANCE FOR MORE HOUSING AND HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH US EITHER. THE AC APPLICANT HASN'T COMMUNICATED WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN OVER TWO YEARS. MANY THOUGHT THIS WAS ABANDONED LONG BEFORE THAT WE SHOWED UP AT SOME POINT THE PROJECT WASN'T ABANDONED. WE WERE LEFT TO FIGURE OUT THAT PLANS HAD CHANGED WHAT TO LOOK AT AND SENT DOWN RABBIT HOLES FOR LACK OF INFORMATION. I WATCHED THE NOVEMBER PNZ SHOCKED TO HEAR A COMMISSIONER THOUGHT THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME IN 15 YEARS. THE CITY HAD RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF A PROJECT, THEN HEARD MENTION OF AN 800 1800 SQUARE FOOT ROOFTOP TERRACE BAR. AND THE APPLICANT ADMITTING THEY WERE USED TO HAVING WIGGLE ROOM IN SEDONA, BUT WERE READY TO TAKE THEIR MEDICINE. THE APPLICANT PROMISED TO COME BACK IN FULL COMPLIANCE BUT DIDN'T. PNZ APPROVED IT ASKING HOW CAN WE NOT APPROVE 28 UNITS INSTEAD OF HOW CAN WE GIVE UP SIX ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING FOR ONLY 28 UNITS IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS. UM, BEFORE THE LAST MEETING, I GOT 25% OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEND OPPOSING COMMENTS. UM, PNZ IGNORED THE APPLICANT'S BROKEN PROMISE OF COMPLIANCE A WEEK AGO. I STUMBLED, I SCRAMBLED AGAIN. UM, STILL NO DEVELOPER CONTACT. I SET UP A MEETING LAST FRIDAY TO PLAN AN OPPOSITION TO THIS. SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T INVITE THE BANEY AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE [03:45:01] MISUNDERSTANDING. UM, YESTERDAY OR PR NABY, WHAT IS IT? SIX DAYS AGO, PR ABBY KNOCKED ON HER FIRST DOOR. YESTERDAY THE BEYS ATTORNEY CAME TO A HOME FOR AN INVITE ONLY MEETING FOR A SELECT FEW. I ASKED IF SOMEBODY ELSE COULD BUY. IT WAS TOO SHORT TERM. AND I WAS TOLD IT'S BY INVITE ONLY. DON'T TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO INVITE ANYBODY ELSE. UM, AND HUNG UP ON WE ARE NOT ARCHITECTS AND PLANNERS. YOUR CITY PLANNING HAS THE EXPERTISE AND LACK. UM, WE LACK AND THEY COULDN'T GET INFO. RESPECT YOUR CITY STAFF AND US. BRIDGET. I'M SORRY. OH, OKAY. WELL, OBVIOUSLY, UM, BUILDING IN SEDONA MUST BE A PRIVILEGE AND I'M OPPOSED TO THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY. THE BUZZ IS JUST NOT WORKING. OKAY, DONALD, UH, SGO. OH, THERE YOU GO. OH MY GOD. UH, TINA GRAZA, ARE YOU STILL HERE? UH, SHE HAD TO LEAVE. SHE HAD TO LEAVE. OKAY. OKAY. SO DONALD, UH, DONALD SIEGEL HAD TO LEAVE AS WELL. HE HAD A CHILD EMERGENCY REGISTER SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT THOUGH. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN'T DO ANY YEAH. YOU'RE NOT UP AT THE MIC. SO, UH, WE DON'T TAKE GO AHEAD. I CAN NOTE IT IN THE MINUTES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, JULIE FRY FREEZE. FRIES. I'M SORRY. I ALWAYS GET THAT NAME WRONG. I APOLOGIZE BY SUSAN. UH, RITTER. SHE ALREADY SPOKE. WE'VE ALREADY SPOKE. IT'S AN OKAY. MAYBE SHE DID TWO CARDS. OKAY. SHE LEFT. SHE LEFT. OKAY. JULIE AND THEN EL. JUST ELLEN, SHE SPOKE. SHE'S, SHE'S GONE. SHE GONE. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW I GOT BACK IN THERE. OKAY. THEN MARK, UH, BROOK, YOU WILL BE, HE SPOKE. HE DID. NOW FOR THIS ONE SPOKE GENERALLY. YES. HE SAID HE DID. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. IT'S ANOTHER ONE. THIS IS ON TOPIC. HE SPOKE FOR OTHER TOPICS TODAY. I THOUGHT HE SPOKE ON THIS TOPIC. MARK, YOU ALREADY. NO. OKAY. SPOKE ABOUT ELK CREEK HERE AT RESORT. HI, I AM JULIE FREEZE. I LIVED IN THE SADDLE ROCK SUBDIVISION. I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA SINCE 1995. AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING US. IT'S REALLY NICE. IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE BEING HEARD. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. IT WAS A VERY, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION. UM, IT'S THE FIRST ONE I'VE HEARD. I'VE BEEN HOME ALL DAY, ALL WEEK, 24 7. AND UNFORTUNATELY NO ONE CAME TO MY DOOR. UM, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO TALK TO YOU, UM, BUT, AND I WILL BE HOME IF YOU DO COME BACK. UM, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DEVELOPED ON THIS SITE. UM, I'M A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE GET QUITE UPSET WHEN THE SITES ARE DEVELOPED AND THEN WRITE THINGS, YOU KNOW, ON NEXT DOOR. UH, WHY WAS THIS SITE DEVELOPED AND BECAUSE IT'S DEVELOPABLE. UM, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE. UM, I DON'T KNOW. I DO KNOW THAT SINCE WE'VE HAD SUCH AN INFLUX OF TOURISTS, SINCE 2020, PEOPLE TURN AROUND IN MY DRIVEWAY AND THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC. MY SON WAS ALMOST KILLED TRYING TO DRIVE OUT ONTO 89 A AT WHERE THE PORK CHOP IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUT IN. ORIGINALLY WHEN THE SHOPPING CENTER WAS DEVELOPED WHERE WHOLE FOODS IS, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE. SO, UM, WE ADD SOMETHING AS EXTENSIVE AS THIS. UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC AND THE DANGER. UM, AND I, AND I RAISED MY KIDS IN SEDONA. SO TRAFFIC AND THE NOISE, UM, THE, WHAT WAS USED TO BE IT'S NOW THE STAGE COACH, THEY HAD TO PUT IN SOUNDPROOF WALLS BECAUSE OF THE NOISE. UM, THE MARTINI BAR WAS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE NOISE. UM, SO I CAN'T SEE WHY, UM, THEY SHOULD BE EXCEPTIONAL AND NOT AND BE ALLOWED TO HAVE NOISE WHEN NO ONE ELSE IS ALLOWED TO HAVE NOISE. IT REFLECTS OFF OF THE MOUNTAINS. UM, SO SOMETHING WILL GO THERE. WHAT SHOULD GO THERE, I REALLY CAN'T SAY. BUT, UM, AND THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY SHOULD POINT AT SOMEBODY ELSE WHO VIOLATED A RESTRICTION AND SAY, WELL, THEY'RE WRONG. SO I SHOULD BE WRONG TOO. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE. UM, I AM AGAINST IT, UM, BECAUSE, UM, I REALLY DON'T THINK WE KNOW THE IMPACT. I THINK, UM, A BASEMENT WAS MENTIONED AND TO PUT A BASEMENT IN A LOT OF BLASTING HAS TO HAPPEN. AND THAT CONCERNS ME ALSO. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON US. I'VE APPRAISED ALMOST EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IN THE CITY, AND I KNOW THAT TO, UM, TO YOU, YOU CAN SAY, OH, ONLY THESE FOUR HOUSES WOULD BE IMPACTED. BUT I'VE BEEN INSIDE THEM. AND YOU CAN SEE VIEWS QUITE DIFFERENTLY FROM INSIDE A HOUSE THAN JUST STARING AT THE [03:50:01] HOUSES AND SAYING, THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE, AND THIS EXCUSE ONE, EXCUSE ME. YOUR TIME IS UP. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING ME. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR OPINION. OKAY. MARK BROOK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY AUNT KELLY. UH, THANK YOU. I'M MARK 10 BROOKE AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. SORRY FOR THE THIRD TIME. UH, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IS, IS THERE A NET BENEFIT FROM THIS PROJECT? SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS. ONE IS, UH, UH, THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING THAT'S BEING PROVIDED VERSUS THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A BUDGET HOTEL WOULD HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE FOR EVERY FOUR ROOMS. SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 30 FOR THIS, UH, THIS SIZE. THIS IS NOT A BUDGET HOTEL. UH, A LUXURY HOTEL IS ON THE ORDER OF ONE TO ONE AND A HALF EMPLOYEES PER ROOM. SO THAT GETS ITSELF OVER A HUNDRED, UH, FOR THIS HOTEL. ANOTHER DATA POINT IS OXFORD HOTEL, OR OXFORD ECONOMICS, SAYS THAT ABOUT 0.66 EMPLOYEE, OR YEAH, 66 EMPLOYEES FOR EVERY A HUNDRED ROOMS. SO THAT WOULD LEAVE US AT ABOUT 73. THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE THERE'S, UH, SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING PROVIDED, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE WORKFORCE THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THIS, UH, THIS PROPERTY THAT'S NOT BEING PROVIDED. UH, AND JUST AS ANOTHER COMPARISON DATA POINT, THERE'S ANOTHER HOTEL IN UPTOWN WITH A HUNDRED ROOMS THAT HAS 148 EMPLOYEES. SO, UH, WE'RE NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM HERE. UH, WE'RE CREATING MORE OF A PROBLEM BY BUILDING A HOTEL. SECOND THING IS TRAFFIC. AND THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED SO FAR IS TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM. I THINK OTHERS HAVE STATED IT. THE REAL PROBLEM IS SOMEBODY COMES TO THE HOTEL AND THEN DURING THE DAY THEY GO OUT, THEY GO THROUGH THE Y, GO DOWN TO CATHEDRAL ROCK, THEY GO THROUGH THE Y TO SOLDIERS PASS. THEY GO THROUGH THE Y, THEY GET THEIR TRIP ON PINK JEEPS, THEY GO BACK THROUGH THE Y TO LOCKIE POCKE, THEY GO THROUGH THE Y AGAIN. THEY GO OUT TO, UH, UH, BOYNTON MOUNTAIN, AND THEY GO WITH ALL EVERYBODY ELSE TO SECRET SUBWAY. AND THERE'S A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT HIKE THERE EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR, UH, MORE RECENTLY. SO, AS YOU CAN TELL, THE ISSUE IS NOT THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY. THE ISSUE IS THAT IT BRINGS 110 MORE CARS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE Y, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MANAGE THAT. SO, AS I SEE IT, THERE'S NO REAL NET BENEFIT TO THIS PROJECT, BOTH IN TERMS OF PROVIDING WORKFORCE OR BECAUSE IT DRAWS MORE, UH, PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE SPOKE TO THE, TO THE FACT THAT THIS WILL JUST CANNIBALIZE BOTH OCCUPANCY AND CANNIBALIZE WORKFORCE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AS A RESULT, I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND THAT YOU NOT, UH, PASS THIS ZONING CHANGE AND THAT, UH, YOU ALLOW A BETTER USE FOR THIS PROPERTY TO COME FORTH. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE MULTI-FAMILY WORKFORCE HOUSING, AS OPPOSED TO A RESTAURANT, UH, EXCUSE ME, AS, AS OPPOSED TO A, UH, LODGING AND RESTAURANT FACILITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MARK. OKAY, ANN KELLY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ERNIE STRAU. HI, ANN KELLY, RESIDENT OF SEDONA, MEMBER OF SEDONA RESIDENCE UNITE FOR THE COUNCIL TO OVERLOOK NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE CFA. THE DEVELOPER MUST DEMONSTRATE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFIT. IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPER'S IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY IS THE SADDLE ROCK SUBDIVISION. NO HOTEL IN SEDONA IS AS CLOSE TO THIS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, UH, TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AS THIS ONE IS. DESPITE THAT, THE DEVELOPER FAILED TO PERFORM QUALITY COMMUNITY OUTREACH WITH THE CURRENT SATELLITE RESIDENTS. SENDING ABBY AROUND FOUR DAYS BEFORE A MEETING IS UNACCEPTABLE. UM, THEY NEED TO MEET WITH THE CURRENT RESIDENTS, FACE-TO-FACE, TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES, AND GET THINGS IN WRITING, FIND SOLUTIONS, WRITE IT DOWN BEFORE WE JUST CONTINUE SEEING THIS MOVING TARGET AS TO WHAT THEY'RE PROMISING. I'M NOT GONNA LIST ALL THE ISSUES. THEY FINALLY SHOWED UP ON THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, AND THE RESIDENTS DID A PHENOMENAL JOB HIGHLIGHT HIGHLIGHTING THEIR CONCERNS. I DO WANNA MENTION, THOUGH, IS THERE SUCH A THING AS A DARK SKY COMPLIANT POOL LIGHT? I'M NOT AN EXPERT. UM, AS FAR AS THE BROADER COMMUNITY BENEFITS, THE DEVELOPER STATES THAT THIS HIGH-END HOTEL WITH RESTAURANT MEETING CENTER, ROOFTOP BAR AND SWIMMING POOL WILL ONLY NEED 30 FTE, UH, EMPLOYEES. BUT THEN IT'S SUDDENLY IT'S 36, AND THEN AT PEAK IT MIGHT BE 40 OR 50. UM, WHERE WILL THEY COME FROM? SEDONA HAS NO EXTRA WORKERS. WE KNOW THAT. SO ONLY TWO OPTIONS EXIST. AS MARK JUST SAID. THEY EITHER CANNIBALIZE FROM CURRENT SEDONA EMPLOYERS CAUSING OTHER LOCAL SERVICES TO SUFFER, OR THEY ATTRACT NEW WORKERS TO SEDONA, UH, BY GIVING THEM A PLACE TO [03:55:01] LIVE. I THINK THEY FIGURED OUT IF THEY REALLY WANT WORKERS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE HOUSING. SO THE UNITS THAT THEY'RE OFFERING REALLY WILL JUST BASICALLY HOUSE THEIR EMPLOYEES. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A NET BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS. SO IN CLOSING, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT COUNSEL DENY THE ZONING CHANGE UNTIL THE DEVELOPERS DELIVER A DESIGN WITH COMMUNITY BENEFITS FOR WORKERS, BUSINESSES AND THE SADDLE ROCK RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANN. ERNIE STRAU WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ART BECKWITH AND ERNIE S STRAU. AND I LIVE IN SEDONA, AND I DIDN'T INTEND TO SPEAK TONIGHT AT ALL. UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I CAME HERE PROBABLY LEANING AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE I STARTED AT 11 O'CLOCK THIS MORNING READING THE PACKAGE, PACKAGE ONE THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN PAGES AND CAME AWAY THINKING MUCH OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT. OKAY? RELATIVELY OPPOSED. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER DARN HOTEL. WE DON'T NEED MORE TRAFFIC. HOWEVER, THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT CHANGED MY MIND. WHY? BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO ISSUES THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY THINKING ABOUT. THE TWO ISSUES ARE THE ALTERNATIVE. NOW, YOU KNOW, THE BANEY HAVE DONE, THIS IS THEIR THIRD PRESENTATION, RIGHT? AT LEAST I WAS ON COUNCIL OH TWO TO OH SIX, AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE STILL DOING THINGS AT THAT TIME. THEY HAD OWNED IT. UH, SO THE TWO ISSUES ARE THE ALTERNATIVE, OKAY? THAT WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE FOR. HOW ABOUT A GAS STATION THERE? HOW ABOUT A BIKE SHOP? HOW ABOUT AN OHV PLACE? YOU KNOW, IF ANY OF THOSE, IF THE BANEY FINALLY SAY, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF SEDONA, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, THEY REALLY HAVEN'T ALREADY. UM, AND THEY SELL THEIR PROPERTY, IT'S COMMERCIAL ZONE, AND ALL THE COMMERCIAL, YOU COULD HAVE FOUR OR FIVE BUSINESSES ALONG 1 79, THE GAS STATION WITH TRAFFIC, WITH THE CAR LIGHTS SHINING UP THE HILL AS PEOPLE PULL IN AND OUT THE TRAFFIC. AND THAT'S A SECOND ITEM I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. NOT ONLY THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T NEED ANOTHER HOTEL, BUT ALL THE, UH, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, HOWEVER, CHANGE THINGS TO A COMMERCIAL ZONE. AND YOU'VE GOT, AS HE INDICATED, AND I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND AND BELIEVE THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN TRANSPORTATION FOR A LONG TIME, UH, THAT YOU WILL DOUBLE, TRIPLE, UH, EVEN POSSIBLY QUADRUPLE THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT AND GOING TO, UH, 89 A CONSTANTLY DURING THE DAY AND SOMETIMES AT NIGHT. WHAT IF IT'S A BAR AND A RESTAURANT OR TWO BARS AND A RESTAURANT COULD GO THERE? AND WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS ONCE IT IS LEFT. AND I THINK THIS IS, THANK YOU. A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ERNIE ART. SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE. UH, ALEXIS PARKER, ART BECKWITH, UH, I LIVE IN SADDLE ROCK AS WELL. ACTUALLY. I LIVE IN THE CORNER RIGHT THERE AT THE SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THAT, UH, UM, MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX. I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 1995. I BUILT A HOUSE THERE KNOWING, BUT THAT WAS COMMERCIAL. KNOWING THAT SOMETHING WAS GONNA GET DEVELOPED THERE, KNOWING THAT I HAD MULTIFAMILY BEHIND ME, THAT MULTIFAMILY WAS GONNA GO THERE, I LIVED WITH IT. I MEAN, AS A YOUNG ENGINEER, I, UH, KNEW THE, THE ZONING REGULATIONS AND, UH, WAS VERY AWARE OF WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. I'VE BEEN IN THIS TOWN FOR, LIKE I SAID, 29 YEARS. AND I'VE SEEN NUMEROUS PROJECTS GO THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. EVEN BEFORE THE BEYS BEGAN WORKING ON IT. I WORKED AT A GROCERY STORE. THEY HAD THE DOCKING STATION OR THE, THE, THE, THE LOADING DOCK AT THE BACK OF THE, THE, THE BUILDING WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE OR, OR OR TRUCKS DELIVERING ALL [04:00:01] KINDS OF THINGS ALL DAY LONG, ALL NIGHT LONG, ALL KINDS OF NOISE. I'VE BEEN THROUGH RESTAURANTS, I'VE BEEN THROUGH GAS STATIONS, I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS, OTHER HOTELS. THE PATELS TRIED TO, UH, DEVELOP A HOTEL THERE AT ONE TIME. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I LIVE THERE. THAT CLOSEST BUILDING IS THE GREEN BUILDING, AND IT'S PROBABLY, UH, AT LEAST 50 FEET AWAY FROM MY HOUSE. YOU KNOW, NOT THAT I LOVE THAT. I'D LOVE FOR IT TO BECOME A DOG PARK, BUT THAT'S AN UNREALISTIC WANT. I'VE GOT THE, THE, THE OTHER PART, THE, THE, THE, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED HERE TONIGHT WERE THE STORY POLES. I SET THOSE STORY POLES. I STOOD IN MY FRONT YARD AND I LOOKED AT THE STORY POLES, AND I PROBABLY AM FOUR TO FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN ADJACENT. AND I COULD SEE RIGHT OVER, YES, I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, BUT GUESS WHAT? I'M NOT GONNA SEE WHOLE FOODS. OH BOY, WHAT A BUMMER. . REALLY? THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT. AND THERE'S GONNA BE A PARKING LOT. THERE'S GONNA BE THIS BEAUTIFUL ROAD THAT'S GONNA ALLOW ME TO TURN LEFT ON 89 A WHERE MY WIFE WON'T GO THERE ANYMORE. EVERY TIME I GET IN THE CAR AND SHE'S DRIVING, WE GO UP TO AIRPORT ROAD. I FIGHT MY WAY THROUGH BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I AM. I DON'T WANT THE PORK CHOP THERE. I LEAVE AT SIX 30 IN THE MORNING. WHY WOULD I WANNA GO TO A LIGHT WHEN I CAN JUST TURN LEFT? BUT IT'S ADOT. HOW DO YOU FIGHT ADOT? YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT I'VE EVER SEEN ON THIS SITE, THAT YOU'RE GONNA LOSE OUT ON A WHOLE LOT OF BENEFITS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OR ALEXIS PARKER, FOLLOWED BY SARAH WEILL. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. UM, THIS, THIS PERTAINS TO THE, THE NAME YOU GOT. NAME AND ADDRESS I GIVE IS ALEXIS PARKER. I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. I'M ACTUALLY RENTING, AND I'M GONNA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT A LOT OF YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS I AM THE YOUNGER GENERATION. WE'RE THE ONES WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT WHILE Y'ALL RETIRING. WE'RE THE ONES WORKING FOR YOU. SO REMEMBER THIS, WHEN I BREAK MY ARM AND I CAN'T AFFORD YOUR HOUSING AND I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE ANYMORE, AND YOU KICKED ME OUT IN THE STREET, HOW MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE ON THE STREET IN SEDONA THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RIGHT NOW? HOW MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW ARE VANDALIZING PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE ANYWHERE? SO YOU WANNA BRING OTHER PEOPLE INTO THE STATE? WE CAN'T. IT'S CROWDED ALREADY. SO WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS FANCY STUFF, BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE YOUNG GENERATION. I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY YOUNG, YOUNG, YOUNG, WHAT? YOUNG GENERATION HERE. AND I SEE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS WANNA BUILD AND BUILD AND BUILD, BUT YOU'RE NOT TAKING IN CONSIDERATION THE BEAUTY THAT GOD HAS MADE THIS LAND AND YOU'RE TAKING AWAY FROM IT. AND WHEN I BREAK AND I CAN'T WORK FOR YOU ANYMORE, AND YOU KICK US OUT IN THE STREET, WHATCHA GONNA DO? WHO'S GONNA WHO? UH, 70 YOU. YOU GO TO BASHES BASH HAS BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, GUESS WHAT? THEY HAVE A SIGN FIRE, HIRE FOR HELP. EVERYWHERE YOU GO, EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR HIRE. I WORKED AT MI AMO, IT'S 90%, 99, ACTUALLY 98% TURNOVER RATE. I WORKED THERE. ASK 'EM WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE GET TIRED OF WORKING FOR PEOPLE, HARASSING PEOPLE, AND PUSHING PEOPLE DOWN. WE WANT THE TRUTH. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN AND COME OUT. WE WANT THIS BEAUTY TO STAY THE WAY GOD MADE IT. AND YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE YOUNG GENERATION. STOP LOOKING AT JUST, YOU GUYS ARE ALL RETIRED AND I BROKE AND HALF OF THE PEOPLE I WORK FOR ARE IN HERE TODAY. AND I HAD TO STOP WORKING FOR THEM BECAUSE I BROKE MY ARM. AND IT'S A SHAME THAT WE'RE SO WORRIED ABOUT BUILDING AND BUILDING AND BUILDING AND NOT TAKING CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE SO MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT ARE WRECKING OUR ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK AND VANDALIZING PROPERTIES THAT I CLEAN. SO JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A YOUNG GENERATION THAT IS, WHEN YOU GUYS DIE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS UP AND THE BEAUTY THAT GOD CREATED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ALEXIS. LAST CALL WILL BE SARAH. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK, WE'LL HAVE TO DO THE CARD NOW, PLEASE. OTHERWISE WE'LL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. HI, MY, MY NAME IS SARAH WHEEL. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. UM, I'LL TRY AND KEEP THIS SHORT. I WAS ACTUALLY AT HOME IN MY BATHROBE WATCHING AND FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO COME DOWN AND, UM, JUST DO WHAT IS THE NEXT RIGHT THING ON BEHALF OF MY EXPERIENCE AND OPINION. AND SO I FELT LIKE THAT WAS USING MY VOICE TO SPEAK TONIGHT. UM, I WANTED TO START BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, I DEEPLY VALUE THE [04:05:01] CITY'S, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF AND THEIR OPINION AND ALL OF THE HARD WORK THAT HAS CLEARLY GONE INTO REVIEWING THIS PROJECT. AND JUST BECAUSE I'M IN CONFLICT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I GREATLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE. UM, AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE CAN HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AND IT CAN BE RESPECTED AND HONORED. UM, THIS IS AN EXCEPTIONAL PROJECT. I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING FIELD FOR 26 YEARS IN SOME VERY NICE PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST PROJECTS, IF NOT THE BEST PROJECT I'VE EVER SEEN. UM, THEIR COMMITMENT TO SUSTAINABILITY GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND. UH, THEIR COMMITMENT TO PURSUING LEED SILVER IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE YET TO SEE AND BE ESTABLISHED IN THE CITY. UM, THEY'VE CONTINUED TO IMPROVE THE PROJECT WHEN THEY'VE COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING WITH OUR SUGGESTIONS. AND THEY'VE TAKEN OUR FEEDBACK AND THEY'VE TRIED TO IMPROVE UPON THAT. I THINK THE MINDFULNESS OF THEIR ARCHITECTURE IS, UM, WHEN YOU COME TO LODGING IS IN SYNC WITH THE ENVIRONMENT. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS AN INFILL PROJECT. UM, AND IT'S GONNA HAVE A HIGH WALKABILITY SCORE. UM, AND HOUSING. I MEAN, WE NEED HOUSING IN WHATEVER FORM OR HOW MANY THAT COMES. WE NEED HOUSING. UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SPOKE TONIGHT ABOUT ENDOWMENTS BEING BRIBERIES. I SEE THAT AS A COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR ENDOWMENT COMMITMENT TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. THEIR POTENTIAL COLLABORATION WITH NAU IS ABOVE AND BEYOND. I WENT TO A PRESENTATION BY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST ISSUES THEY SAW LONG TERM WAS RETENTION. SO IF WE HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT'S GONNA COME IN AND MAKE A COMMITMENT WITH OUR LOCAL UNIVERSITY TO TRY AND RETAIN PEOPLE THAT WE CAN KEEP IN THE CITY, I THINK THAT THAT'S TO BE COMMENDED. UM, I THINK REALLY THE ISSUE IS TIMING. WE HAVE LODGING FATIGUE AND THERE'S A LOT OF POLARIZATION, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PULL BACK AND LOOK AT THE 40,000 FOOT VIEW AND THE POTENTIAL GENTRIFICATION OF 89 A AND WHEN WE LOOK 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS ARE WE GONNA WANT AND BE PROUD OF IN THE AREA? AND I THINK THAT THIS STANDS THE TEST OF TIME. UM, WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH A CONGLOMERATE. WE'RE DEALING WITH A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS. AND NOT ONLY IS IT A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS, BUT IT'S A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS WITH HISTORY IN THE AREA. SO WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO EMBRACE THEM THE WAY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO EMBRACE US? UM, SO YEAH, I JUST FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO GET DRESSED AND COME DOWN AND SPEAK TONIGHT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SARAH. OKAY. SEEING NOBODY ELSE WITH CARDS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL A BREAK. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHY. COME ON. WE GOT, WE HAVE, UH, FOUR HOURS LEFT TO GO. WE DO ACTUALLY. SO WE HAVE A BREAK. OKAY. UH, WE'LL TAKE A, UH, 20 MINUTE BREAK. KEEP IT DOWN TO A, A QUIET ROAR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, SO NOW WE WE'RE BACK TO EVERYTHING WITH THE COUNCIL. SO I'LL START WITH, UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON. WE'LL DO, UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, UH, IF, IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE ALL HAVE A A LOT. SO GO FOR IT. I WILL. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WHAT I HAVE REALLY LEARNED IS THAT ABSOLUTELY VERY FEW, I'D SAY I, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE HERE WHO PROVED ME WRONG. ALMOST NOBODY WANTS ANYTHING BUILT ANYWHERE NEAR THEM. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT IT IS. PEOPLE WHO SAID THIS WOULD BE FINE IF IT WAS HOUSING. THAT'S NOT TRUE. UH, CAREFUL, THAT'S NOT TRUE. THE EXACT SAME CONCERNS AS EVERYBODY WROTE TODAY SAID, TODAY WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME ONES WE WOULD HEAR IF IT WAS HOUSING. NOBODY WANTS ANYTHING BUILT NEAR THEM. NOW, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT RESIDENTS HAVE, UM, THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AND SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. AND FROM WHAT I HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER TONIGHT, I'M NOT GONNA GO BACK IN TIME AND, AND OH, YOU WERE BAD. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY HANDLED THE OUTREACH PROPERLY. I THINK IT WAS NOT GREAT OUTREACH. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU JUDGE AN ENTIRE PROGRAM PROJECT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THE AMOUNT OF OUTREACH THEY DID. THEY MET THE OUTREACH GOALS THAT CITY SET. UM, AND I THINK THAT FROM WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT, THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THEIR PLANS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE ISSUES. AND THEY AGREED TO MAKE MORE CHANGES TONIGHT IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE ISSUES. SO I THINK THEY ABSOLUTELY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF DEVELOPERS TO ADDRESS RESIDENT CONCERNS. THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T SAY THERE WILL BE NO CONSTRUCTION NOISE. YEAH, YEAH. WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. THEY CAN'T DO THAT. THAT'S NOT A REASONABLE [04:10:01] THING TO REQUEST. SO I I I, I FIND THAT, THAT I FIND THEM TO BE PRETTY, PRETTY REASONABLE ABOUT THAT. I HAPPEN, UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE. UM, I DON'T HATE HOTELS. I THINK HOTELS ARE INFINITELY PREPPED FOR PULL TO SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT HOTELS ADD TO OR DECREASE THE NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. AND PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER HOTEL BASED ON WHAT I MEAN, OCCUPANCY RATES. THEY'RE BUSINESS PEOPLE. THEY MAKE A DECISION THAT THEY CAN DO BUSINESS HERE. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, EVERY NEW HOTEL THAT COMES IN, EVERYBODY SAYS, OH YEAH, THEY ALL DO SEEM TO BE DOING JUST FINE UNTIL A LITTLE WHILE LATER THEY ALL COME AND SAY, OH, WE'RE SUFFERING. BUT THEY ALL STILL ARE HERE. AND IF WE OPENED IT UP, THERE WOULD BE HOTELS EVERYWHERE. BECAUSE HOTELS, HOTELS ARE IN DEMAND REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT THEY CHARGE. WHATEVER THEY'RE CHARGING IS LESS THAN OTHER HOTELS CHARGE WHO ARE FULL ALL THE TIME. SO I THINK US SITTING HERE SAYING THEY'LL NEVER, PEOPLE WILL NEVER, OH, PEOPLE WILL NEVER PAY THAT AMOUNT. AND THEY'LL ALWAYS JUST GO TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IT'S, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW THAT. AND I THINK IT'S KIND OF IRRELEVANT ANYWAY. I FIND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE CFA PLAN. I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLACE FOR A HOTEL. I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION FOR A HOTEL. WOULD I RATHER THERE WERE MORE HOUSING? YOU BET I'D RATHER IT WAS 50 50. I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE HALF. 'CAUSE YOU'D NEED A SUBSIDY STREAM. SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR THE HOUSING. UM, TAXPAYERS CAN'T PAY IT CAN'T BE BUILT WITHOUT A GOOD DEAL OF SUBSIDY. THERE HAS TO BE A A, AN INCOME STREAM TO PAY FOR THAT AND TO PAY FOR THE ONGOING, UM, MAINTENANCE OF, OF THE FACILITY. UM, THE CITY FOR ALL ITS HARD WORK AND INCREDIBLE STAFF HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO CREATE HOUSING AT THE RATE WE NEEDED CREATED. WE HAVE ONE PROJECT THAT WE KNOW IS MOST LIKELY TO BE BUILT. IT'S ACTUALLY GOT FUNDING AND MAY ACTUALLY, BUT IT'S 18 MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. WE NEED SOME WAY TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BUILD. AND THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT. DO I THINK THAT THIS IS THE LIMIT TO WHAT THEY COULD DO PERSONALLY? PROBABLY NOT. I, I REMINDED OF THE MARRIOTT INCIDENT. THEY OFFERED 200,000. WE SAID, MAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MUCH. THEY WENT BACK, THREE OF THEM TALKED FOR A MINUTE, THEY CAME BACK AND OFFERED 800,000. WAS THAT THE MOST, COULD WE HAVE GOTTEN TWO A MILLION? MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT I THINK FOR DAY UNITS IS A BIG, A BIG COMMITMENT. AND I'M, I'M VERY, ONE THING THAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM WORKING WITH SHANNON AND IN THE CITY TRYING, TRYING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT TAKES TO BUILD ANYTHING. AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT TAKES TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE UNITS OVER TIME. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE PAYING MARKET RATE. THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER GONNA BREAK EVEN OR THE DEVELOPER'S GOING TO EAT THE COST OF MAINTAINING. OBVIOUSLY IT'S WORTH IT TO THEM. AND THAT'S FINE. THAT'S ANOTHER BUSINESS DECISION. BUT I THINK TO NOT RECOGNIZE THE COST AND THE DIFFICULTIES OF CREATING HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IN THIS TOWN, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, WHICH EVERYBODY SAYS THEY WANT, BUT THEY ACTUALLY DON'T. IF IT'S ANYWHERE NEAR THEM. OR EVEN IF IT ISN'T, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WROTE IN ONE OF THE EMAILS OPPOSING IT, WELL, I DON'T LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT HE WENT ON. HE SAID, AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED MULTIFAMILY HOUSING HERE ON 89 A. HE DOESN'T THINK WE MULTIFAMILY IS APPROPRIATE THERE. HE WANTS IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AT THE EDGE OF TOWN SOMEWHERE. MAYBE IF WE HAD A SWAMP, HE'D LIKE IT IN THE SWAMP. BUT IT'S, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A REAL PROBLEM. UM, I WAS IMPRESSED. I THOUGHT THE SUSTAINABILITY PIECE OF THIS WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. AND I AM . I KNOW THAT, THAT [04:15:01] THAT STUFF COSTS MONEY TOO. I WOULD, UH, UH, I, THE QUESTION I DID HAVE IS WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING ABOUT THE ARABELLA SPA, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE SWIMMING POOL TECHNOLOGY THAT REDUCED WASTE AND REDUCED EVAPORATION AND SAVED WATER AND EVERYTHING. SO I WONDERED IF YOU GUYS USE THAT IN YOUR POOLS. MAY I RESPOND? COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON? YEAH. I WISH YOU WOULD. WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT I ALSO REPRESENTED THE AIR BELL RESPONSE. REMEMBER THAT , SO I CAN, I CAN PASS THEM ALL OF THAT INFORMATION ON ALL OF THOSE WATER SAVING TECHNOLOGIES. RIGHT. AND ARE, IS THERE A WILDERNESS TO LOOK AT THAT COUNSEL? BECAUSE IT, IT MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU USED IN YOUR POOLS, IT WOULD ADD TO THE SUSTAINABILITY AND THE WATER EFFORTS. UM, LET ME SEE. I'LL BE, I'M SORRY. I, UH, SO I, I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I, THE, I'LL BE SHORT IN THIS. I I RESERVE MY TIME TO COME BACK, BUT I'LL, I'LL, UM, I'LL TELL YOU THE MARRIOT NEIGHBORS, THEY SUPPORTED THE MARRIOTT HOTEL 'CAUSE THEY KNEW IT'S A BETTER NEIGHBOR, THAT HOTELS ARE BETTER NEIGHBORS THAN ALMOST ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL USE. SO I'M NOT SO SURE THAT PEOPLE'S FEARS OF HOTELS AS NEIGHBORS IS VERY MUCH, IS JUSTIFIED. UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. I THINK THERE ARE REAL CONCERNS. I THINK IF YOU DON'T WANT A SIDEWALK, THEY WON'T DO A SIDEWALK. I THINK THAT'S EASY ENOUGH. I WANT A SIDEWALK BECAUSE I AM A BELIEVER IN CONNECTIVITY, BUT I KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT CONNECTIVITY. THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO COME INTO THEIR COMMUNITY. THEY DON'T WANT STRONG EYE. ON THE OTHER HAND, LIKE THE IDEA OF PEOPLE FEELING INVITED TO WALK ALL THROUGH THROUGH EVERYBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW SHAKING. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALITY. AND IT'S NOT MY REALITY, BUT I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE'S REALITY. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS, THERE WON'T BE A SIDEWALK. IF YOU WANT A SIGN THAT SAYS 89 A EXIT 89 A THIS WAY, THEY'LL PUT A SIGN THAT SAYS EXIT 89. IF THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SAY DON ENTER, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU COULD SAY. THEY'LL DO IT. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN THE ROAD BE SHUT DOWN THE PRIVATE ROAD COUNCIL WILLIAMSON? UH, NO. IT CANNOT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IS DEDICATE A PUBLIC ACCESS ROADWAY EASEMENT IN PERPETUITY. THE ONLY WAY THAT GOES AWAY IS, IS IF THE CITY ABANDONS IT. THANK YOU. NOW THE OTHER THING. OKAY, WAIT, WAIT. OKAY. SO IT CAN'T BE SHUT DOWN. YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS WE'VE HEARD YEARS FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT HOW BAD THAT INTERSECTION IS, HOW SCARED THEY ARE TO TURN LEFT. BUT SUDDENLY THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM ANYMORE. SUDDENLY NOBODY CARES THAT IT'S HARD TO TURN LEFT THERE. NOBODY SEEMS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOW A KIND OF CONNECTION TO A LIGHT ON 89 DAYS SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE SAFE WHEN THEY TRAVEL. I THINK THAT'S A MAJOR AMENITY. AND I, I'M REALLY SORRY THAT, THAT RESIDENTS DON'T, DON'T ACCEPT THAT, THAT I, THEY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH RESORT THAT, OKAY, THAT'S A, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE AGAINST THE PROJECT, BUT I THINK SOME THINGS REALLY MAKE SENSE AND SOME THINGS DON'T. I THINK CONCERN ABOUT NOISE, I THINK THEY'RE WILLING TO AMELIORATE, IF THERE'S NO MUSIC, THERE'S NO MUSIC. I THINK THAT ALL OF US HAVE BEEN IN BARS WHERE THERE'S MOOD MUSIC, RESTAURANTS WHERE IT'S VERY, VERY SOFT. IT'S JUST BACKGROUND MUSIC. AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY ANY, WHY I, I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE OFFENDED BY THAT. UM, ARE THEY PERFECT? ARE THESE PEOPLE PERFECT? HAVE THEY DONE PERFECT OVER THE 173,000 GENERATIONS, WHICH THEY'VE PURSUED THIS PROJECT? NO, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN. AND HAVE THERE BEEN MISTAKES MADE? MOST PROBABLY THERE HAVE BEEN, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. I LIKE THE PROJECT. UM, AND I THINK THAT THE NA THE REASONABLE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINTS, WHICH ARE NOT COMPLAINTS ABOUT [04:20:01] THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ARE COMPLAINTS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED BY ANY DEVELOPER. I THINK THAT, THAT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR. I, UH, I LIKE THE PARK ONCE PHILOSOPHY. I THINK THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT IT. AND, UM, HAVING DONE VALET SERVICE, IT'S A, I KNOW WHAT A PAIN IT IS TO GET YOUR CAR OUT AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO THE, AND IT'S A WALKABLE LOCATION. SO ANYWAY, I WILL SUPPORT IT. IT MAY BE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME, YOU MAY NEED TO GO BACK AND THERE MAY BE MORE OUTREACH THAT'S NEEDED. THERE MAY BE, I WANT SOME MORE THOUGHT ABOUT THE INCOME AFFORDABILITY, THE 80%. I WANT SOME OF THAT. BUT OVERALL I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU COUNCILOR FURMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNCILOR FOR GIVING ME SOME TIME TO ORGANIZE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS. YOU ARE WELCOME. I TRIED TO KEEP ONE EAR ON YOU. YOU WANT ME TO, AND I WILL TRY NOT TO REPEAT MANY OF THE COMMENTS. I EXPECT YOU'LL BE SUCCESSFUL. . I WANNA START BY JUST PUTTING OUT THERE, ONCE AGAIN, I'LL SAY THAT I CAME INTO THIS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY BECAUSE I WAS ON THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WHEN THIS CHANGE TO THE CFA CAME THROUGH. AND AT THAT TIME, ALTHOUGH I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE CFA CHANGE, I DID PUT OUT THERE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT PIPELINE EXISTED, WHAT ACTIVE PROJECTS MIGHT BE EXISTED. AND WE'VE IMPACTED AND, AND THAT CONVERSATION, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF IT DID OR DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, WE NEVER DID DO ANYTHING ABOUT A PIPELINE. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT FAIRNESS AND PROCESS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I BRING TO THAT. SO NOW WHAT, WHO DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE A, A FAMILY THAT IS INVESTED IN SOME PROPERTY, SNATCHED UP SOME PROPERTY, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BUILD A 50 ROOM HOTEL WITHOUT COMING TO US TO ASK ANYTHING. NO, I'M, I'M NOT A HOTEL DEVELOPER. I'VE NEVER RUN A HOTEL. I SUSPECT THAT A 50 ROOM HOTEL JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND SO WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS WORKED WITH STAFF AND LISTENED TO STAFF AND YOU HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT HOUSING. AND SO YOU PUT ON THE TABLE TO BUILD 40 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS IN 120 ROOMS A HOTEL. SO 110, 110. SEE, I CORRECT MY NOTES HERE. 110 FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IF IT, IF THIS DIDN'T COME THROUGH, PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THE SAME THING. WHAT COULD BE THE NEXT THING THAT COMES THROUGH? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS I, BUT THIS PROJECT ATTEMPTS TO GET AT THE LARGEST CONCERN. I THINK THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL HAS TALKED ABOUT WAS OUR LACK OF HOUSING AND DIVERSITY OF HOUSING IN SEDONA. AND WE'RE TRYING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THAT. AND IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT. AND WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO HELP US MOVE THAT NEEDLE. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPRESSIVE. I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT DO WE NEED MORE HOTELS IN THIS TOWN? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK YOU COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION A HUNDRED DIFFERENT WAYS. 'CAUSE I THINK WHAT NEED MEANS IS DIFFERENT TO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ABOUT IS IF WE START TO SAY NO TO MORE HOTELS, THEN THERE'S AN IMPACT ON COMPETITION. YOU SORT OF CEMENT PLAYERS ARE IN PLACE, CHANGE BECOMES HARDER TO MAKE COMPETITION IS GOOD IN, IN ANY INDUSTRY SEGMENT. AND, AND I, FOR ONE, AM SUPPORTIVE OF COMPETITION. I, WE, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS AND THIS COUNCIL COUNCILS BEFORE ME ABOUT ATTRACTING A WEALTHIER CLIENTELE THAT'S GONNA COME TO TOWN AND SPEND SOME MORE TIME. AND WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE 'EM SOMEWHERE. AND, UH, UPSCALE OR UPSCALING HOTELS IS ONE WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND I THINK IT PUTS PRESSURE ON PERHAPS OUR, OUR DOWN MARKET HOTELS AND, AND THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMPETITION PLAYS OUT, BUT I KNOW THAT I'M MORE OF A FAN OF A, OF, OF COMPETITION THAN I AM A PROTECTION. AND WHEN WE SAY NO MORE HOTELS, I, I, I'M AFRAID OF WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT CAN MEAN. I THINK THAT PART OF OUR, THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE DRIFTED INTO OVER TIME WITH REGARD TO THIS PROJECT, AND I THINK [04:25:01] WE'VE SEEN IT COMING BECAUSE I THINK THE COUNCIL STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, IS JUST TALK ABOUT THE JOBS HOUSING BALANCE, WHICH I, I GET, AND I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION FOR THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE AND TO SET SOME POLICY AROUND. BUT WHAT I'M NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT TODAY IS THAT WE CRITICIZE THIS PROJECT FOR A JOBS HOUSING BALANCE, THAT WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT THE POLICY SHOULD BE AND WE SHOULDN'T BE HOLDING THEM TO A STANDARD WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE YET. I THINK THAT FROM THE BANEY FAMILY AND MY OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THEM AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD OVER TIME, UH, THIS IS A, A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS AGAIN, AND THIS TOWN HAS LOST MM-HMM. INDEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT HOTELS. THANK YOU COUNSELOR. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SEE ONE AGAIN, ONE WHO COULD POTENTIALLY NOT POTENTIALLY, THEY'VE EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT WE WANT IN THIS TOWN. THEY BRING TO US A PROJECT THAT, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND COUNCIL IS THE GREENEST DARN PROJECT I'VE EVER SEEN. AND I HAD BEEN KNOWN SITTING ON PLANNING AND ZONING TO WAVE MY FIST AND TALK TO DEVELOPERS ABOUT ONLY MEETING LDC MINIMUMS. WELL, THIS IS FAR BEYOND LDC MINIMUMS. AND, AND, AND THAT IS OF SOME VALUE, IF NOTHING MORE THAN IT SETS THE STANDARD FOR THE NEXT PROJECTS THAT COME ALONG. THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WE GET TO SAY YES TO AND THAT WE CAN APPRECIATE IN TOWN. NOW, I'M THE DEVELOPER HIMSELF PUT ON THE TABLE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE OPEN TO THE THOUGHT ABOUT ACTUALLY CRAFTING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE COULD REVIEW AND, AND, AND COME BACK. AND, AND I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT IDEA BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND I DON'T WANNA START ASKING WHOSE FAULT IT IS, BUT I DON'T LIKE HOW THIS PROJECT HAS KIND OF DRIFTED OVER TIME. AND WE HAVEN'T, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE PROCESS DIDN'T WORK OUT SO THAT STAFF COULD HAVE A FAIR AND UP TO DATE EVALUATION OF THE PROJECT THAT'S ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF US. AND SO I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE IDEA OF GIVING THIS SOME MORE TIME TO DEVELOP A A, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. ANOTHER THING THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST IS, IS, UH, DEVELOPERS ACTUALLY SHOULD TALK ABOUT HAVING A, A, UH, GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY AND PUT TOGETHER THEIR IDEAS AFTER TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK WE COULD GIVE SOME MORE TIME FOR THE DEVELOPER TO WORK ON THAT KIND OF AGREEMENT. AND WHETHER IT'S PART OF THE DA OR IT'S YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S THOSE OPERATING THINGS ABOUT MUSIC, AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR NOT. AND LIGHTS AND NO LIGHTS. AND DO THEY SHINE UP AND THEY CAN'T SHINE UP BECAUSE WE HAVE A DARK SKY POLICY. SO I, I THINK THERE WE ALL COULD BENEFIT PERHAPS IF THIS COUNCIL WANTED TO FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THIS PROJECT. NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANNA SEND IT THROUGH A BIG PROCESS AGAIN. WE'VE HEARD WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS, IS AFRAID OF AND THE DEVELOPERS HEARD. AND, AND I THINK OVER TIME THE DEVELOPERS ACTUALLY MADE SOME QUITE A BIT OF MOVES TO ADDRESS MANY OF THESE ISSUES. UH, I I'M A FAN OF SIDEWALKS AND CONNECTIVITY TOO. I KNOW YOU'RE , BUT THEY'RE NOT . AND YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY EVOLVES OVER TIME. AND I FOR ONE, BELIEVES THAT THE FUTURE, FUTURE, UH, RESIDENTS WHO WILL BE LIVING IN OUR HOUSES 10 YEARS FROM NOW WILL APPRECIATE SIDEWALKS. I I KNOW I DO THIS, THIS PROJECT HAPPENS TO BE RIGHT NEAR 89 A AND CARS MOVE FASTER NEXT TO THE HIGHWAYS. AND I, I THINK FROM A SAFETY ELEMENT ALONE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SIDEWALKS. WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO 89 A, WE KIND OF DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON A PROJECT ON 1 79. THERE WAS A HOUSING PROJECT, YOU REMEMBER, CARRIE, AND WE LET THE SIDEWALK GO THE END OF THE PROPERTY AND WE SAID TO DO SOMETHING THERE TO NOTICE TO PEOPLE. THERE WASN'T, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD NOW BEYOND THIS POINT OR SOMETHING. SO THERE'S AN IDEA THAT, THAT WE WE'VE COULDN'T DO BEFORE. BUT OVERALL, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO BACK AND SAY THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY IS OUR LACK OF DIVERSIFIED HOUSING. UH, DO I WANT A BUNCH OF STUDIO ROOMS IN THIS ONE PROJECT? YES, BUT PROBABLY NO. [04:30:02] YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THERE'S DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES NEXT TO EACH OTHER IS IMPORTANT. THERE'S POSSIBLE THAT A TWO BEDROOM UNIT COULD APPEAL TO A FAMILY AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND SO, UH, AND, AND WHETHER THE, THE NUMBER OF, OF 40, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PICK THAT. IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT FINANCIALLY MAKES SENSE TO YOU GUYS. HOW FAR CAN YOU STRETCH AND PUTTING TOGETHER ROOMS AND, UM, BUT OVERALL, I THINK THIS PROJECT, UH, DOES BRING MANY, UH, BENEFITS AND I DO FIND IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU ROMAN. COUNCIL KINSELLA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I, I WANNA COMPLIMENT YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY. I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION REALLY WAS EXCELLENT. UM, IT WAS VERY GOOD. BUT FOR ME, THIS JUST BOILS DOWN TO A CORE ISSUE, WHICH IS SHOULD THE ZONING CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PROJECT? UM, WE ONLY CHANGED THE ZONING TWO YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS FOR VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT, WELL RESEARCHED, WELL VETTED REASONS, UM, THAT WANTED TO GIVE A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE AS TO WHAT WE THOUGHT ALLOWABLE USES SHOULD BE IN A PARTICULAR AREA, THE CFA, BUT NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CFA, BECAUSE OF THE OVERALL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA AS A WHOLE. THE CFA IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. IT'S ASPIRATIONAL, IT RESPONDS TO CALLS FOR A VISION, BUT THE ZONING ISN'T, THE ZONING IS SOMETHING CONCRETE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO THE CFA AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT CAN GO HERE. THIS IS WHAT SHOULD NOT GO HERE IN ORDER TO MATCH THOSE VISIONS. YOU CAN CHANGE THAT ASPIRATIONAL WORDING IF YOU WANT, BUT ZONING IS SOMETHING TO ME THAT NEEDS TO BE MORE SET. IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE ZONING, THERE NEED TO BE VERY GOOD JUSTIFIABLE, QUANTIFIABLE REASONS FOR DOING IT. UM, A THE ZONING WAS CHANGED. IT WAS, AGAIN, JUST TWO YEARS AGO. THE DEVELOPER HAS HAD EIGHT YEARS PRIOR TO THAT CHANGE IN WHICH THEY COULD HAVE BROUGHT FORTH THIS PROJECT, UH, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN A GREAT PROJECT UNDER AND ALLOWED UNDER THAT ZONING AT THAT TIME. UM, BUT THEY DIDN'T, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE BAD OR THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I MEAN, THINGS HAPPEN, THINGS MOVE, BUT THE ZONING CHANGED. AND THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THIS WOULD'VE BEEN, I THINK, A WELCOMED PROJECT UNDER THE ZONING THAT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE ZONING BACK, THERE HAS TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THIS PROJECT THAT I LIKE VERY MUCH, I REALLY DO. IT'S ATTRACTIVE. IT HAS SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS. I ACTUALLY LIKE THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS AND IN THIS CASE THE SIDEWALK. BUT I CAN'T GET PAST THAT. THIS IS STILL A PROPOSAL FOR 110 HOTEL ROOMS. AND, AND AGAIN, THANKS TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR GIVING ME ALL THE TIME TO WRITE THIS RARE, I GET TO WRITE OUT MY COMMENTS. SO THANK YOU BOTH. UM, I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON THAT A HOTEL COULD BE A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR. UM, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO A HOTEL AND I THINK THAT IT'S A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR. UM, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND THE IMPACT IN THAT CASE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY. AND AGAIN, AS TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, WHAT WE SAID WHEN WE REVIEWED IT WAS GO WAS GOING TO BE DESIRABLE USES AND NOT A DESIRABLE USE BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT IT BRINGS INTO TRAFFIC AS A WHOLE BRINGS INTO LAND USE AS A WHOLE. UM, AGAIN, THE CFA LANGUAGE WAS AMENDED. THE ZONING WAS LANGUAGE. LANGUAGE WAS AMENDED SPECIFICALLY TO DISCOURAGE ADDITIONAL HOTEL USES. IT'S THE OVERALL IMPACT OF THE PROPOSAL ON THE WIDER SEDONA COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT WOULD, THAT WAS CHANGED TO MINIMIZE LODGING VERY SPECIFICALLY. THAT WAS THE REASON, AND I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER TRYING TO ADDRESS HOUSING. I REALLY DO. I I THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPLAUD YOU TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE 40 UNITS IN THIS CASE IS ENOUGH TO BE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. WHEN I REALLY DO THINK THAT YOUR PROJECT IS DOING, GOING TO CREATE MORE THAN 40 FULL-TIME POSITIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT WILL NEED TO BE HOUSED OR IF EVEN DOES CANNIBALIZE FROM ELSEWHERE, IT'S GOING TO CREATE THE NEED IN THAT LOCATION FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA COME IN, FILL THAT HOLE. WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH WORKERS IN SEDONA. THEY HAVE TO LIVE SOMEWHERE. IT, IT'S, IT'S AT BEST, [04:35:01] AT BEST A WASH. AND THAT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TO BE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. SO FOR ME, THE APPLICATION NUMBER ONE DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE CFA. IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE LDC, IT DOES NOT MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT DOES NOT OFFER ENOUGH BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE TO JUSTIFY A ZONE CHANGE. AND IT JUST DOESN'T MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR REZONING. SO AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH THIS PROJECT. I REALLY DO. AND FOR GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING YOU'VE GONE THROUGH WITH P AND Z AND, AND HERE, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN THE HOTEL IMPACT AND HOUSING NEEDS, BUT I CANNOT SUPPORT THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA GO BE, AND IT'LL JUST WORK OUR WAY DOWN. OKAY. UH, I I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING. IT WASN'T THE ZONE CHANGE THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. IT WAS THE CFA CHANGE, THE CFA, WE CHANGED THE ZONING, THE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. YOU CHANGED THE LANGUAGE IN THE C FFA PLAN. RIGHT? THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY HAS REMAINED THE SAME. IT'S A RIGHT, IT'S A FINE POINT. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, UM, I I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT I WOULD LIKE JUST TO CLARIFY. YOU, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE A, A VAN SHUTTLE, A BUS SHUTTLE THAT GOES FIVE MILE RADIUS TO BELL ROCK. THAT'S GREAT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO ANOTHER THREE MORE MILES DOWN TO THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? TO ME, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. THE MAY I RESPOND? YEAH, PLEASE. UH, SO MAYOR JALO, THE, THE, THE FIVE MILE RADIUS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BANEY, THAT'S JUST THE STANDARD RADIUS THAT THEY GO TO AT ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES. IF THERE'S A DESIRE FROM THIS COUNCIL TO SEE IT GO FURTHER, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO. IT JUST MAKES SENSE. SURE. BELL, BELL ROCK. YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, NOWHERE. OKAY. CAN YOU CLARIFY, UH, WHEN YOU SAY THE DECELERATION LANE AS PROPOSED, YOU SAY THAT THAT'S A BENEFIT, BUT WAS THAT DECELERATION LANE ON 89 A, WAS THAT REQUIRED BY ADOT? UH, MAYOR JAO? I'M NOT SURE THAT I REFER TO THE DECELERATION LANE AS A PUBLIC BENEFIT. I WAS SIMPLY REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT BY INSTALLING A DECELERATION LANE, IT WILL JUST, IT WILL HELP THROUGH TRAFFIC NOT HAVE TO STOP OR SLOW DOWN FOR PEOPLE ENTERING THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IT WILL ALSO HELP THE VERDE SHUTTLE SLASH LINKS. RIGHT. GET OFF OF THE THROUGH LANES TO PICK PEOPLE UP. RIGHT. BUT THE, THE TAKE I GOT ON WAS YOU'RE DOING THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT 'CAUSE AOC REQUIRES IT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANNA BE SURE. UM, SO THE SECOND EXIT ROAD, ARE YOU DOING THAT AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT OR AS A REQUIREMENT? THE, SORRY, WHICH ONE? THE SECOND, UH, EXIT ROAD ELK ROAD. YES. UH, ELK ROAD IS SOMETHING THAT IS SHOWN IN THE CFA PLAN AS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD, THAT THE IS ENCOURAGED FOR DEVELOPMENTS. IT'S IDENTIFIED AS A PUBLIC BENEFIT IN THE CFA PLAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE TREE HOUSE UNITS, ARE THEY TWO STORIES? THEY ARE TWO STORIES. OKAY. AND DO THOSE, ARE THEY NEXT TO, OR, YOU KNOW, ACROSS FROM HOUSES OR ARE THEY INTO THE PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT OF THE, THE COMPLEX, THE MAYOR JALO, THE, THE NEAREST POINT OF THE TREE HOUSE SUITES, WHICH WE'VE GOT SITELINE UP ON THE SCREEN HERE, UM, IS I THINK THE SETBACK IS 50 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. BUT THE WINDOWS FOR THE TREE HOUSE SUITES, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. AND, AND THE VIEWS, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ORIENTED, THE WINDOWS FROM THE TREE HOUSE SUITES WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOOKING TOWARDS MULTIFAMILY SOUTH. IF YOU SEE THE DIRECTION THEY'RE ANGLED OR THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BACK SIDES OF THE TREE HOUSE SUITES LOOKING BACK TOWARDS SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE. SO THEY'RE NOT LOOKING ONTO INTO OR ANYWHERE NEAR PEOPLE'S HOMES OR YARDS OR BEDROOMS. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT WAS THE ONE I RECEIVED THAT COMPLAINT SEVERAL TIMES. OKAY. IN DOLLARS. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT AT THE, THE RENT WOULD BE FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO WHEN WE, SOMEBODY SAYS TO ME, WELL, IS IT GONNA BE 800, A THOUSAND, 2000? EVERYBODY'S AFFORDABLE IDEA IS DIFFERENT. SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? AND YOU SAID THERE WAS GONNA BE A RANGE, BUT WHAT IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE? SAY A STUDIO OR ONE BEDROOM? WHAT, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL RENT GONNA BE? UH, MAYOR BLO, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AT THIS MOMENT BECAUSE THE A MI RATES AND THE RENT, THE MAXIMUM RENT THAT YOU CAN CHARGE BASED ON THOSE, UH, IS BASED ON RENTAL RATES IN THE AREAS. AND SHANNON'S PROBABLY BETTER ANSWERING THIS QUESTION THAN I AM, BUT I WILL GET TO, TO SHANNON. DON'T WORRY. YEAH, SO THE, THE RENTAL RATES ARE BASED ON THE A MI AS I UNDERSTAND IT. SO WE WOULD BE COMMITTING TO WHATEVER THOSE RENTAL RATES ARE BASED ON THE A MI THAT WE ARE. GIMME BALLPARK. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. BUT SHANNON DOES, AIDEN HAS THEM. OKAY. IF I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS. I, I WAS [04:40:01] WORKING WITH OUR, UH, LOW INCOME HOUSING PARTNER THAT WE, UM, HAD BEEN ADVISED OR YEAH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SORRY, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ON THIS PROJECT AND ANOTHER PROJECT I'M WORKING ON. SO HOW THOSE RATES ARE SET, IT'S A THIRD OF THE INCOME IS, SHOULD BE PUT TOWARDS HOUSING. UM, AND SO THE, THE A MI FOR SEDONA LAST I SAW WAS 66,000. UM, SO THE INCOMES OF THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE WOULD BE BETWEEN, AT A, IF THEY WERE A HUNDRED PERCENT TO 150% A MI UNITS, IT WOULD BE, YOU'D QUALIFY TO LIVE THERE IF YOU PAID BETWEEN SIX 66,000 AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND A YEAR AND LOWER AND LOWER AND LOWER. SO, YEAH. OKAY. DON, GO ON. UM, AND SO THE RENTS AND I TRIED TO JUST LOOK IT ON MY PHONE AND HAVE A SPREADSHEET WITH, WITH WHAT IT COMES OUT TO. SO WE DON'T REALLY SET THOSE RATES. SO IF WE, IF WE AGREE TO HAVE A A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI UNIT THAT'S SET BY WHAT THE A MI STANDARD IS FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA AND BALLPARK, I, THESE AREN'T EXACT NUMBERS. THE STUDIO UNITS, THE STUDIO UNITS WERE SHANNON. SHANNON, PLEASE HAVE SHANNON. UM, AT TODAY'S RATES, BASED ON TODAY'S INCOMES HAS CHANGES EVERY YEAR, BUT USUALLY VERY LITTLE. UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI STUDIO WOULD RENT FOR 1342 A MONTH MAXIMUM. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR A STUDIO, RIGHT? OR LOWER YOU SAID? NO. OH, THAT'S THE LOW. THAT'S RIGHT. JUST WANNA, THAT'S THE HIGHEST RENT THAT CAN BE CHARGED IF IT'S RESTRICTED TO A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI. OKAY. FOR A STUDIO. OKAY. SHANNON, DOES IT MATTER THE SIZE? THAT'S FOR A STUDIO. STUDIO? AND IS THE STUDIO DEFINED IN TERMS OF SIZE? NO. OKAY. NO. OKAY. OKAY. UM, YEAH. AND THEN THE ONE BEDROOMS AND THE TWO BEDROOMS GO UP FROM THERE. NOT MORE THAN I DON'T THINK. TWO BEDROOMS OR OVER TWO ONE BEDROOMS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI WOULD BE 1535 MAX AND TWO BEDROOMS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI WOULD BE 1725. SEE, THAT'S WHY WE LIKE HAVING HER HERE. SO, . OKAY. UH, THANK YOU. SO SHANNON, CAN YOU GO OVER IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION FOR 40 UNITS AND YOU, DID YOU SAY YOU JUST RECEIVED THE EMPLOYEE NUMBERS? WHEN WAS THAT? WHEN DID YOU GET THOSE NUMBERS? THURSDAY, I BELIEVE THURSDAY. WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THOSE NUMBERS FOR CARRIE. HOW LONG WOULD YOU HAVE YOU BEEN ASKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK IN LONG, BUT PROBABLY A COUPLE YEARS. COUPLE YEARS. AND WE JUST GET IT THURSDAY RIGHT BEFORE THIS HEARING. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT LET'S GO WITH WHAT OUR HOUSING PROFESSIONAL HAS TO SAY. SO, UH, WITH THAT, WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND WHAT NUMBER DID THEY GIVE YOU? UM, STILL THE, THE 31 FTES. UM, STILL KIND OF AMBIGUOUS AS TO HOW MANY ACTUAL, UM, LIKE BEATING HEARTS THAT IS NUMBER OF JOBS THAT WOULD BE CREATED AND THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT RIGHT. OVERALL, EVEN IF WE GO WITH THAT OR ASSUME MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE IN ACTUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE, IT, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A WASH FOR HOUSING. RIGHT. UM, AND IT MIGHT NOT BE, BUT BECAUSE YOU JUST GAVE THEM, GAVE THE INFORMATION JUST A FEW DAYS AGO. IS THAT FAIR? IN MY MIND, NO. I'M NOT ASKING THE QUESTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. IF YOU WANNA BE HEARD APPROPRIATELY, I THINK YOU'RE BEING HEARD VERY APPROPRIATELY, BUT WHEN WE GET THE NUMBERS LAST MINUTE, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING. SO CONTINUE. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS PROBABLY ENOUGH TO HOUSE THE NUMBER OF NEW WORKERS NEEDED FOR THE JOBS THIS CREATES. UM, AND MAYBE A FEW OTHERS. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE SITE COULD BE A LOT MORE HOUSING THAT CREATES FAR FEWER JOBS. UM, IT COULD ALSO NOT BE THAT THOUGH. AND IF WE HAD TIME TO NEGOTIATE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I PROBABLY WOULD'VE SUGGESTED THAT THE 28 UNITS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AT 80% A MI STAY AT THAT LEVEL. MM-HMM. . AND THAT THE ADDITIONAL 12 BE AT 120% A MI AND BELOW. BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT OF HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS. WE JUST HAD ONE PRELIMINARY MEETING. SO WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND PERCENTAGES, WHAT WOULD THE RENTS BE? THE SAME TYPE STUDIO, ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM. UM, 80% A MI STUDIOS WOULD BE 1,074 A MONTH. STILL A LOT OF MONEY, BUT ONE BEDROOM'S 1228 AND TWO BEDROOMS 1380. RIGHT. SO HAVING THAT INFORMATION WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL EARLIER. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. SHARON, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? I THINK THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE WITH US TOO. [04:45:01] I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE BASEMENT AND BUILDING THE BASEMENT AND IT'S THE PARKING GARAGE, THERE'S NO, IS THERE AN ACTUAL BASEMENT? THE MEETING SPACE IS ALSO TER SO HOW IS THAT, WAS THAT GONNA BE DUG? IS THAT GONNA BE, UH, BLASTED? 'CAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH THREE BLASTING PROJECTS IN SEDONA FOR THE PAST, UH, COUPLE OF MONTHS. IT'S STILL, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT IS HOT. SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A GEOTECH REPORT. I'M NOT QUALIFIED ENOUGH TO READ THAT GEOTECH REPORT TO TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT BLASTING WILL BE NECESSARY, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW THAT. OKAY. UM, OH, IT WILL BE, I'M TOLD IT'LL BE HAMMERED OUT. WE WON'T NEED A BLAST. WOULD BLASTING BE AN OPTION ONLY FOR THE, THEY EACH HAVE THEIR GOOD AND BAD BECAUSE WE JUST HAD A WATER TANK IN THE PROCESS. A WATER TANK BEING PUT IN AND YOU COULD BE BLAST, YOU COULD BE, UH, JACKHAMMERING WITH THE, ON THE, THE FRONT LOADER FOR MONTHS AND PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH THAT. IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE FOR BLASTING, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. MAYBE IF YOU TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND SAW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. UNDERSTOOD. , IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF IT GOES FORWARD AND CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES? SURE. SO WE'VE BEEN ASKED FOR, FOR MONTHS AND IT'S BEEN IN THE LOI HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE ANTICIPATE THIS DEVELOPMENT HAVE. WE'VE SAID APPROXIMATELY 30 FOR ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF TIME THAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING. AND THE RESPONSE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN BACK IS ESSENTIALLY, WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU IF I'M, IF I'M PARAPHRASING. AND SO IN RESPONSE TO THAT, WE PREPARED A FAR MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS FROM OXFORD'S VP OF OPERATIONS THAT BREAKS DOWN BY EMPLOYEE, BY SHIFT BY RESPONSIBILITY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN EXPECT TO HAVE, WHAT JOBS THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING, AND HOW MANY SHIFTS PER WEEK THAT'S GOING TO BE. SO WE ONLY PREPARED THAT BECAUSE WE KEPT SAYING THE SAME NUMBER, WHICH WAS NOT THAT FAR OFF OF THE ACTUAL NUMBER THAT WAS PROJECTED BASED ON THE VP OF OPS. ONLY BECAUSE THE RESPONSE THAT WE GOT BACK WHEN WE PROVIDED 30 EMPLOYEES WAS THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT . YEAH, SORRY. AND THE REASON THAT, THAT, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THAT NUMBER IS SO LOW IS MANY OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT WOULD BE DELEGATED OUT TO THE HOTELS THEMSELVES ON SITE ARE CENTRALIZED IN THE BANEY HOME OFFICE IN BEND, OREGON. SO HR, IT, SALES CALL CENTER, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT A LOT OF HOTELS HAVE PEOPLE ON SITE FOR, THEY HAVE AT THEIR HOME OFFICE IN BEND. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF FUNCTIONS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM FAR MORE EFFICIENCY IN THEIR HOTELS THAT THEY HAVE OUT IN COMMUNITIES. CARRIE, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? YES. THEIR, THEIR LOI DID SAY 30 FTES. WE HAD ASKED FOR MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT FTE MEANT, KNOWING THAT AT LEAST WITH THE CITY FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. AND SO WE HAD ASKED FOR SOME INFO, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON PART-TIME EMPLOYEES OR WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE RECEIVED OVER THE WEEKEND. OKAY. SO LEMME ASK, ALSO ASK YOU THIS, DO YOU HAVE A REQUIREMENT ON HOW MANY, ASIDE FROM YOUR OWN EMPLOYEES, FOR OUTSIDE EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD COME AND RENT, DO THEY HAVE TO WORK A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOURS IN OUR CITY? 30 HOURS, 40 HOURS PER, PER, PER WEEK. MARY? SORRY, BEFORE YOU GIVE THEM THE APARTMENT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING? YES. HOW THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR IT? YES. I THINK WE WOULD, WE WOULD JUST BE FOLLOWING WHATEVER FAIR HOUSING LAWS ALLOW FOR. OKAY. WHICH, IF SOMEBODY QUALIFIES AND SHANNON'S THE EXPERT ON THIS MORE THAN I AM, BUT IF SOMEBODY QUALIFIES FOR A UNIT, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN THEM AWAY. OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT. THEY CAN HAVE A LOCAL WORKER PREFERENCE, UM, BUT THEY CAN'T SIMPLY EXCLUDE PEOPLE WHO QUALIFY TO LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK HERE. OKAY. SO LET ME GO OVER, I DON'T ONLY HAVE ANOTHER TWO. YOUR OUTREACH, YOU HAVE ON PAGE 1 62 OF THE PACKET OF PACKET ONE. YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF NICE TYPE LETTERS FROM PEOPLE. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I I GET IF YOU WANNA DO THE GLOBAL OPINION, BUT PEOPLE FROM CAMP VERDE SENT A LETTER IN SUPPORT. UH, CAMERON, ARIZONA SENT A LETTER. JEROME SENT A LETTER J ANOTHER JEROME. MY POINT BEING IS THAT'S NOT REALISTIC OF WHAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING HERE. SO WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT TO PUT, TO PUT THOSE INTO THIS REPORT? MAYOR JAO, WITHOUT HAVING THE EXACT LETTERS IN FRONT OF ME, I BELIEVE SEVERAL OF THOSE LETTERS ARE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE CITY OF SEDONA WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, WHO SEE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT WE'RE PROVIDING AND SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S ATTRACTIVE THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE CITY THAT THEY WORK IN. WELL, THE LETTERS DON'T SAY THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT DO. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES YOU'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY, SO THEN I [04:50:01] JUST ALSO WANNA, AND THEN I'LL BE DONE WITH THIS POINT OF QUESTIONING. UH, YOU HAVE IN THAT SAME PACKET, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 1 71, 1 70 PETITION TO SUPPORT THE VILLAGE OF SADDLE ROCK CROSSING. AND YOU HAVE ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN PAGES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, LARGE SQUARES PEOPLE, YOUR NAME. NOBODY CAN, I CAN'T READ SIGNATURE, CAN'T READ THOSE AND A PHONE NUMBER, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHERE THEY LIVE. SO TO ME, AND THAT'S EVERY ONE OF THEM, IF YOU WANNA SET, GET A POINT ACROSS AND YOU HAD LOCALS HERE, OKAY, THAT WOULD MEAN SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. YOU HAVE A PHONE NUMBER. I, I DIDN'T WANNA CALL ANYBODY, BUT MOST OF THESE, UH, SIGNATURES I CAN'T READ LITERALLY. AND I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU ON MY, YOU YOU HAVE IT CARRIE. YOU CAN BRING IT UP IF WE NEED TO. 1 72. OH, IF YOU CAN BRING IT UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. PACKET ONE. I'LL FIND IT. YOU CAN I'LL FIND IT. THEY'RE NOT RIGHT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SEDONA PHONE NUMBERS SOME THREE OH ONE. RIGHT. BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT A TRUE REPRESENTATION WHERE YOU'RE JUST FINDING PEOPLE TO SIGN SO THAT YOU COULD FILL UP A PETITION? AND I LOOK, WHEN I GET THESE PETITIONS, I LOOK AT WHERE THEY LIVE. SO WE KNOW IF YOU HAD PEOPLE WHO LIVED HERE, THE S ROCK PEOPLE OVER OVERWHELMINGLY DIDN'T SIGN THIS. SO I WAS WONDERING WHERE DID YOU GET, THERE YOU GO. WHERE'D YOU GET THOSE FROM? UH, MAYOR JAO, MAY I PLEASE COME ON TO A MIC? MAN. GARY WITH ARIZONA MUNICIPAL STRATEGIES MAYOR JAO COUNSEL. SO WHEN WE DID OUR OUTREACH, FIRST OF ALL, WE ONLY TALKED TO FOLKS IN SEDONA. SO ALL OF OUR OUTREACH WAS DONE HERE. AND IT WAS ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF OUTREACH. THERE WAS, WE WOULD GO TO COFFEE SHOPS, WE'D WALK AROUND, WE WENT TO NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES, WE TALKED TO ALL KINDS OF NONPROFIT COMMUNITY LEADERS. WE FOCUSED A LOT ON PROBABLY, UM, A CONSTITUENT BASE THAT MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE THE KIND OF TIME AND RESOURCES AND AVAILABILITY TO COME SPEAK TO YOU. SO WE TALKED A LOT WITH OUR WORKERS IN THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, THE EMPLOYEES, THE KINDS OF FOLKS THAT WOULD REALLY WANT THIS KIND OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO WHEN WE SPOKE TO THEM, WE GAVE THEM A VARIETY OF OPTIONS TO ENGAGE. OBVIOUSLY OUR PREFERENCE IS TO ASK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM TO COME AND SPEND THE EVENING HERE WITH US TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU DIRECTLY AND TELL YOU ABOUT THEMSELVES. IF IN LIEU OF THAT, WE GAVE THEM THE OPTION TO SUBMIT A LETTER. SO WE SPENT TIME WITH ALL OF THEM. WE LISTENED TO THEIR COMMENTS ON IT. WE TOLD THEM ABOUT THEIR CASES. THEY EITHER DRAFTED A LETTER OR WE TALKED TO THEM AND TOLD THEM KIND OF ABOUT THE PROJECT. EVERY SINGLE LETTER YOU SUBMITTED WAS A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH THAT THAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE WAS A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE. EVERY LETTER WAS APPROVED BY THEM. THEY SIGNED IT THEMSELVES AND SUBMITTED. IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WRITE A LETTER, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME, WE ASKED THEM TO SIGN THE PETITION AND PUT SOME KIND OF VERIFYING CONTACT INFORMATION. SO EVERYONE YOU SEE THERE IS EITHER, WHILE THAT CON ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS NOT THERE, IT'S SOMEBODY WE SPOKE TO IN SEDONA THAT EITHER WORKS HERE OR LIVES HERE THAT WAS WILLING TO GIVE THAT PIECE OF CONTACT INFORMATION. OKAY. CAN I ASK, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THAT PETITION, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT ARE GONNA NOT LIVE IN SEDONA, BUT WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE WORKFORCE COMPONENT OF THIS, AND THAT'S WHY THEY SUPPORTED THE PROJECT. OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR CLARIFYING THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T WORK FOR THE BANNEY, BUT YOU'RE A SUBCONTRACTOR FOR THEM TO DO THIS RESEARCH OUTREACH. YES. YES. VICE MAYOR, YOU WANNA, WHEN WERE THESE OBTAINED? THESE WERE OBTAINED LAST YEAR, UM, IN ADVANCE OF PLANNING AND ZONING. SO OUR FIRST OUTREACH REALLY STARTED IN ADVANCE. SO THAT PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING WHERE WE CAME AND WE WALKED ALL OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WALKED UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALKS. WE WENT INTO EVERY BUSINESS THAT YOU CAN THINK OF. WE, ANYBODY WHO WOULD TALK TO US AT DIFFERENT COFFEE SHOPS OR RESTAURANTS OR ANYWHERE, WE WOULD TALK TO THEM AND TELL THEM ABOUT THE PROJECT. SO IT STARTED ABOUT PROBABLY TWO MONTHS BEFORE OUR FIRST PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. OKAY. BUT YOU COULD SEE THE PROBLEM HAVING, RIGHT? I CAN, YEAH. WE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF COMFORT ON ENGAGING. SO WE TRY TO WORK WITH WHAT WE CAN, AND WE KNOW THAT AS A VALUE FOR YOU, THE THINGS THAT MATTER THE MOST ARE THE FOLKS THAT COME IN AND SPEAK. MAYBE THE LETTERS SECONDHAND. AND THEN FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT BUT JUST WEREN'T WILLING TO ENGAGE AT A HIGHER LEVEL, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM TO COMMIT TO AS A SIGNATURE IN SUPPORT OF IT. THANK YOU FOR EX EXPLAINING THAT. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UM, I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. ALL THAT OUTREACH DOESN'T ADD UP FOR ME. I'M, I'M SURE IT'S ALL LEGIT. I'M SURE EVERYTHING YOU SAID, I BELIEVE YOU, BUT THAT DOESN'T TELL ME THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIVE HERE OR WOULD IF THEY REALLY WORK HERE. [04:55:01] YOU DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS DO THEY WORK HERE, DO THEY, COULD THEY LIVE HERE? IF ALL THOSE PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY WORK HERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 'CAUSE WE'RE STARVING FOR EMPLOYEES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. SO, SO LET'S JUST GET TO MY OPINION HERE. THIS IS AN AMAZING PROJECT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, IT'S GREEN. LIKE COUNCILOR, UH, FURMAN. WE, WE DON'T GET MANY PROJECTS LIKE THIS. ESPECIALLY. GREAT POINT ABOUT THE POOL OR THAT, UH, JESSICA, ABOUT THE POOL, RIGHT? AND YES, I REMEMBERED YOU WERE THERE FOR, FOR THE, UH, UH, THE POOL PROJECT. OKAY. YEAH. THE ARABELLA. BUT I HAVE IT IN MY HEAD. SO, UH, AND LOOK, IT'S GETTING PASSED BY BEDTIME. UH, SO THAT, IT'S AMAZING AND IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT EVEN SHANNON SAID IT'S IN NET ZERO AS FAR AS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT 110 LODGING UNITS IS TOO MUCH FOR THIS COMMUNITY. I, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT. PAY ONE PAYS FOR THE OTHER. I GET THAT. OKAY. BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T BE COMFORTABLE. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH DOING A REZONE FOR SOMETHING OVER 90 UNITS AND FOR 40 UNITS. IT'S, IT'S A WASH. YOU'RE NOT GIVING US ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL. 80 UNITS. I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF UNITS. I GET THAT. BUT THAT'S SUB SOMETHING THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL. WE COULD, WE COULD FILL THOSE UP IN A, IN A, IN A WEEK FOR EMPLOYEES. IT WOULD BE GREAT. WE WOULDN'T NEED A SAFE PLACE TO PARK. WE WOULDN'T NEED A, YOU KNOW, UH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE DOING LIVING WHERE THEY'RE LIVING. THAT WOULD BE A HELP. BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S 30 EMPLOYEES OF YOUR OWN, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU DID SAY, RIGHT, 30, THAT'S ONLY 10 MORE UNITS TO GET A, A REZONE THAT GIVES YOU A FAR GREATER VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY. SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS, UH, JUST FOR THAT REASON. IT JUST DOESN'T WASH OUT YET FOR ME. SO, UH, I'LL GO OVER TO THE VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE, THE LEVELS OF, UH, A MII DID, IT JUST STRUCK ME WHEN SHANNON GAVE THE NUMBERS, AND THEY'RE MOSTLY STUDIOS AT $1,200 OR EVEN A THOUSAND A MONTH, DEPENDING ON WHICH PERCENTAGE YOU USE, YOUR WORKERS AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE THERE. YOUR OWN WORK. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YOUR OWN WORKFORCE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE THERE. DON'T KNOW WHAT WAGES YOU PAY, BUT HOSPITALITY IS, IS LOW PAYING WAGES AND GENERALLY, AND YOU WERE HAVING ALL THESE STUDIOS, WHICH MEANS PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN SHARE THEM. 'CAUSE THEY'RE, I, I ASSUME THEY'RE SMALL, 500, 600 SQUARE FEET. WHAT SIZE ARE THEY? I I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF FOUR 50 TO 500 SQUARE. OKAY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S ONE PERSON COULD BARELY LIVE THERE. AND AT A, AT A THOUSAND OR $1,200 A MONTH, THAT, THAT'S NOT GONNA ACCOMMODATE THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY COULD ACCOMMODATE SOMEBODY ELSE. BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A WORKFORCE THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY. SO THIS IS NOT WELL THOUGHT OUT. I'M SORRY. IT'S A MOVING TARGET. IT'S, UH, IT'S A GORGEOUS, IT'S GORGEOUS. IF IT WERE SOMEWHERE ELSE, SOME OTHER CITY SOMEWHERE, I WOULD STAY THERE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT I JUST DON'T, I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT. IT IS, I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, IF THERE WAS MORE TIME AND THINGS WERE MORE FIRM, AND I COULD READ SOMETHING AND IT WOULD MAKE SENSE AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING, AND I KNOW THIS IS, YOU'VE BEEN GOING ON FOREVER, AND I'M NOT REALLY EVEN SUGGESTING IT, BUT IT JUST LACKS SPECIFICITY AND EVERYTHING WE RAISE, YOU SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE CAN CONSIDER THAT. THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS. VERY, VERY NERVOUS. I CAN'T LIVE IN THAT. I MEAN, I'M A GRAY PERSON. I, I LIKE LIVING IN THE GRAY WORLD. THIS IS TOO GRAY FOR ME. UH, SERIOUSLY SHADE GRAY. YES. AND, UH, WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WITHOUT THE CLARITY OF THE, OF HOW THIS WORKFORCE HOUSING IS GONNA GO. AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A REALLY A BENEFIT. OF COURSE, EVERY EVERY HOUSE THAT WE CAN HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS A BENEFIT, BUT NOT WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE WHO CAN FILL IT. AND IT'S NOT A NET GAIN FOR US. [05:00:02] IF IT WAS MORE HOUSING, I WOULD PERHAPS THINK DIFFERENTLY. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IF YOU HAD TAKEN THE TIME, INSTEAD OF GOING TO COFFEE SHOPS, TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE, THEY'RE A TOURIST IN A COFFEE SHOP, HAVING A CUP OF COFFEE, SIGNING A PETITION. I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T RESONATE WITH ME. IF YOU HAD TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS, IF YOU HAD WORKED OUT WITH THE RESIDENTS, SOME OF WHOM SAY THEY WERE HAPPY WITH, WITH SOME OF THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU MADE, IF YOU HAD PUT THE ENERGY INTO WORKING THINGS OUT WITH THEM AND THEY CAME HERE AND SUPPORTED THIS PROJECT, I WOULD LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY. BUT, BUT THEY DON'T, AND IT'S BECAUSE, AND THEY MIGHT, IF THEY KNEW MORE, THEY MIGHT, IF YOU COULD NEGOTIATE SOME THINGS THAT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM, BUT YOU DIDN'T DO THAT. VICE MAYOR, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO? I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE TO TALK AMONGST OURSELVES. WE, WE HAVE A, A ZONING CHANGE BEFORE US. I'M NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE ZONING CHANGE. NOW, IF WE TABLE IT AND GIVE YOU MORE TIME, IF THAT IS SOMETHING COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN UP OR DOWN MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING OR A MOTION TO DENY THE ZONING. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN, IN FRONT OF US. BUT IF I CAN, YOU ALSO SAID THOUGH, THAT WE COULD TAKE NO ACTION AND TABLE IT, THE TABLE. SO THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS ON THREE OPTIONS. PERHAPS THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN CHIME IN HERE. I, BUT I BELIEVE, I WILL BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO CONTINUE. WELL, I WOULD RATHER WAIT TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY UNTIL WE GO DOWN THE DA UNDERSTAND, AND THEN WE GET ONE COMMENT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND THE OTHER THING I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TO MY COLLEAGUES IS THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO COME TO US ON A CONSTANT BASIS TO TELL US WHO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OF A HOTEL, WHO TELL US HOW TERRIBLE IT IS. REALLY? YES. BEAR HOLLOW. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY BEEN HERE? I DON'T BEAR HOLLOW BEAR HOLLOW BEAR HOLLOW BEAR WALL, BEAR HOLLOW, DOWN OAK, UH, SNAY HILL ROAD. THEY TALK ABOUT LE BGE. RIGHT? AND, AND THE LIGHTS, THE BEER CANS. OH, UH, THE NOR THE MUSIC. THE MUSIC. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S ONE EXPERIENCE. BUT OTHER HOTELS THAT ARE OTHER EXPERIE, RIGHT? BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU HAVE LIVE MUSIC, WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF OUTDOOR, AND THE POCO PEOPLE CAME HERE AND TOLD US THAT TOO. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE OPEN SP IT'S REALLY WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH OPEN SPACE AND THERE'S WEDDINGS, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF EVENTS ON THERE. AND THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN HEAR IT. AND IT GOES ON LATE AT NIGHT. AND THEY COME HERE AND TALK TO US ABOUT THAT. NOW IT'S TOO LATE. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE ALREADY DEVELOPMENTS. BUT THEY ASK US FOR HELP. THEY ASK US TO HELP THEM TO NEGOTIATE WITH THESE HOTELS WHEN THEY FIND THEMSELVES AT, AT A DEAD END. AND VICE MAYOR, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST REFERRED TO ARE THINGS THAT AREN'T GONNA OCCUR AT THIS PROPERTY. WE'VE ALREADY SAID NO LIVE MUSIC, THERE'S NO SPACE FOR WEDDINGS TO OCCUR. SO ALL OF THE NEGATIVE EXTERNALITIES THAT YOU'VE JUST REFERRED TO ARE THINGS THAT CAN'T HAPPEN AT THIS PROPERTY. WELL, THERE'S A ROOFTOP WITH LIGHTS UNDERSTOOD. VICE SQUARE CLOSES AT 10. BUT YOU'VE ALSO SAID THAT THE, WHERE THERE'S EXTENSIVE OPEN SPACES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1800 SQUARE FEET, WHERE I THINK WE'VE SHOWN AN EXTENSIVE WILLINGNESS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY OF THERE, WHERE IT'S THE AMOUNT OF NOISE AND THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT WHEN THAT ACTIVITY CAN OCCUR. I THINK WE'VE DEMONSTRATED OPENNESS TO RESTRICTING ALL OF THOSE THINGS. YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED OPENNESS AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT THERE'S TOO MUCH OPENNESS. IT'S TOO FUZZY FOR ME. THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS BODY SHOULD BE SITTING HERE WRITING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR, OR ALL THESE CONDITIONS. 'CAUSE THERE'S PAGES. I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR JOB. I THINK YOU NEED TO BRING IT TO US AND THEN WE CAN REACT TO IT. BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST VERY FUZZY FOR ME. AND, AND THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY. UH, LET MY OTHER COLLEAGUES SPEAK. COUNCIL DUNN. I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID ON THE ONE HAND. THAT'S GOOD. AND THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID. ON THE OTHER HAND THAT IS SO VAGUE. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR NOT GOOD AT THIS POINT IN TIME. UM, THE COMMENT HERE ON THE DAIS, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THIS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE, YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS PROJECT BACK IN 2016. I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD'VE EVEN THOUGHT OF [05:05:01] THIS PROJECT BACK IN 2016. I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD'VE THOUGHT ABOUT L EEDS AND OR LE LEAD. I CAN NEVER, I CAN NEVER SPELL IT. UM, LEAD WE WOULDN'T BE THINKING ABOUT HOUSING FOR WORKFORCE. WE, THOSE WEREN'T, THOSE PROBABLY WEREN'T THINGS. I WAS IN ENGLAND, BY THE WAY. SO I WASN'T, I WASN'T LIVING IN MY HOME AT THE TIME. BUT I, I DON'T THINK THOSE WERE THINGS THAT PROBABLY THIS COMMUNITY WOULD BE THINKING ABOUT. SO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SHOWN THIS WILLINGNESS TO, TO MAKE CHANGES AS THINGS HAVE COME UP, THAT'S, THAT'S COMMENDABLE. SO, UM, I COMMEND YOU. HOWEVER, UM, IT STILL FEELS LIKE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD. MM-HMM, , UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THINGS ARE GONNA COST. WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HOUSING IS CONCERNED, WE'RE NOT SURE HOW BIG THE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE, OR THE HOME HOUSING PORTION IS GOING TO BE, SORRY, THIS IS REALLY LATE FOR ME. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, , UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS, THE OUTREACH HAS BEEN HORRIBLE. UM, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A HOME, YOU KNOW, ON THE PROPERTY. YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING A, A COMPLEX. AND, UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT ANYBODY WHO'S DOING ANYTHING THAT'S COMMERCIAL WOULD'VE SPENT WAY MORE TIME REACHING OUT AND, AND TALKING TO PEOPLE. I THINK THERE ARE WAY WORSE THINGS THAT COULD BE BUILT ON THIS SITE THAT YOU GUYS WANT. THAT CIRCLE K GREAT OVER OPEN 24 7 PIECE OF PROPERTY GUT. I MEAN, THAT COULD BE BUILT THERE. AND I AM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD MAKE ANY OF US HAPPY. UM, BUT ALSO DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON BETWEEN STAFF AND IN THIS PROJECT. UM, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE EITHER. IT FEELS LIKE STAFF HAS BEEN TRYING TO PULL TEETH TO GET YOU TO GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE COMPLIANT, PARTIALLY COMPLIANT OR NOT COMPLIANT. AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. I MEAN, THIS IS YOUR PROJECT. YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS SORT OF READY TO GO. UM, AND THAT AND YOUR EXPERIENCE, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST HOTEL YOU GUYS ARE BUILDING, RIGHT? UM, AND I REALIZE SEDONA MIGHT BE TRICKY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE LIKE, UM, BUT THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE. UM, SO I'M, I'M PRETTY CONFLICTED. I I UNDERSTAND FROM THE NEIGHBORS. I UNDERSTAND. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE BORDER THE FOREST AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ABOVE ME AND WHATEVER. I GET IT. I REALLY DO. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY BUILDING A NEW HOME, AND I LISTENED TO THAT, WHAT I CALL THE WORLD'S LARGEST JACKHAMMER. UM, SORT OF TRYING TO DIG OUT A FOUNDATION. BUT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT GETS BUILT ON THAT SITE. BECAUSE WELCOME TO SEDONA. THIS IS OUR SOIL, WHICH ISN'T SOIL AT ALL. IT'S ROCK. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS NOISE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THE WORLD'S LARGEST JACKHAMMER OR IF IT'S BLASTING, YOU'RE GONNA GET NOISE. AND SO I, I CAN'T COUNT THAT AS, AS A REASON AGAINST DOING THIS PROJECT. THAT'S GONNA BE ANY PROJECT. UM, THE LIGHTING. I GET THE LIGHTING. UM, I, WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, UM, I HAD THE WORLD'S MOST BEAUTIFUL DARK SKY. AND THEN THE SUBDIVISION ABOVE ME STARTED BUILDING MORE AND MORE HOMES. AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE, THEY HAVE UP WASH LIGHTS OR ANYTHING. THOSE ARE ALL ACTUALLY DARK SKY COMPLIANT, BUT THEIR DRAPES ARE OPEN AND THEY TURN ON THEIR LIGHTS IN THEIR LIVING ROOMS, RIGHT? I, I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. I'M NOT GONNA ASK THEM, COULD YOU PLEASE CLOSE YOUR BLINDS? 'CAUSE YOU'RE RUINING MY NIGHT SKY. UM, IF ANYTHING IS BUILT THERE THAT DOES NOT CLOSE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, WHICH IS NOT UNUSUAL IN SEDONA, RIGHT? MANY, MANY THINGS KIND OF ROLL UP AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, LITERALLY. UM, AND, AND IN THE SUMMER WHEN WE HAVE THESE GORGEOUS SUMMER SKIES, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T EVEN SHOW UP TILL 10, MAYBE 11, DEPENDING ON, ON WHEN, WHEN IT IS. SO UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT CLOSES, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET LIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO GET LIGHT POLLUTION. UM, IF IT'S HOUSING THAT'S BUILT THERE AND IT'S DENSE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND YOU COULD HAVE AN UNLIMITED NUMBER BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SLOTS, I THINK IS THE LIMIT. UM, AND I'M PARAPHRASING CARRIE, WHO'S MOCKING ME OVER HERE, , UM, IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF LIGHT POLLUTION. UM, CAN THESE GUYS CONTROL LIGHT POLLUTION? NO, THEY CAN'T. THEY CAN'T TELL PEOPLE TO CLOSE THEIR BLINDS AT NIGHT. THEY JUST, THEY, THEY CAN'T. UM, SO UNLESS IT'S A BUNCH OF STORES THAT GO IN THERE THAT CLOSE EARLY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. UM, [05:10:01] NOISE. SO THEY'VE SAID TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, THEY HAVE SAID IN THIS MEETING THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE LIVE MUSIC. THEY HAVE SAID MAYBE THEY WOULD DO MOOD MUSIC, SO IT'D BE QUIET. THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE NOTED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE POLE MUSIC AT ANY OF THEIR OTHER PLACES. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ONE HERE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IN WRITING, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT I, I CAN'T DO THAT TONIGHT. RIGHT? IF, IF IT BECOMES AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, GET GETS BUILT THERE, WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR MARKET RATE, YOU CAN NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE TO TURN OFF THEIR MUSIC AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. YOU CAN CALL THE POLICE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT NOISE IN VIOLATION OF THE NOISE ORDINANCES AND THEY'LL SEND SOMEBODY OUT. BUT IT'S JUST LIKE ALL THOSE STR THAT ARE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU, IT'S, IT'S THAT PROBLEM. SO YOU, YOU HAVE, IF THAT WERE A SUPER IMPORTANT ISSUE, YOU MIGHT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT TO CONTROL FOR THAT NOISE. NOTHING IS GONNA BE PERFECT THAT GETS BUILT THERE. UM, AND I HEAR YOU, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO IN YOUR SUB VOCAL TEXTS ARE SAYING, PLEASE DON'T EVER BUILD ANYTHING THERE, EVER, RIGHT? I HEAR THAT. UM, I WISH THE HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN MY VIEW OF THE ROCKS, UM, I WISH THEY WEREN'T BEING BUILT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY'RE BEING BUILT. IT'S THE WAY IT IS. UM, SO I'M AT A POINT WHERE I AM COMPLETELY CONFLICTED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THERE COULD BE WORSE THINGS, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WHEN THE STAFF OF THE CITY SAYS, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE YOU'VE BASICALLY SAID, HEY, WE'RE WE ARE BENDING OVER TO TRY AND GIVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE YOU. AND BY THE WAY, I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SAY WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO SAY THAT LIVES BEHIND YOU, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO ECHO AND SAY, HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? AND ONLY THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT THE SOLUTIONS THAT YOU'RE COMING UP WITH CAN HELP MEET THEIR DEMAND. RIGHT? I DON'T LIVE THERE, SO I CAN'T DO THAT. UM, SO I'M VERY CONFLICTED. I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE TABLING IT AND SEEING IF YOU GUYS CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH, UM, THINGS THAT MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW. THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE PARTIALLY COMPLIANT OR NOT COMPLIANT JUST ON THE C FFA PART OF IT, WHICH IS ALL I LOOKED AT, LIKE, I DIDN'T LOOK, I DID LOOK, BUT I FELT THAT MY, MY JOB TONIGHT WAS THE CFA PART OF THE COMPLIANCE. IT'S NOT MY JOB. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE STUFF THAT CARRIE KNOWS IN HER HEAD. IT WOULD TAKE ME PROBABLY YEARS TO LEARN IT ALL. AND SO I WOULD RELY ON HER TO, TO COME BACK AND SAY, WHEN WE WERE TALKING SOLAR PANELS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS PERFECT AND PARTIAL COMPLIANCE IS THE BEST COMPLIANCE WE'RE GONNA GET. I ALSO HEARD SOMEONE SAY, SHOULD WE BE WORRIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF THEY ACTUALLY PUT SOLAR PANELS UP THERE, THE HEIGHT'S GONNA GO UP REALLY HIGH? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE PUTTING FLAT SOLAR PANELS ON OR ANGLED SOLAR PANEL. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, RIGHT? THAT TO ME IS A DISCUSSION YOU HAVE WITH CARRIE OR HER TEAM. RIGHT? AND THEN I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT DISCUSSION SAYS. SO I REALIZE I'M PROBABLY BABBLING HERE BECAUSE I AM SO CONFLICTED ABOUT, ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING. THE WASH ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSING THAT'S BETTER THAN ANYTHING WE HAVE TODAY. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT? EVEN IF IT'S A WASH, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE PROJECTS GOING IN TODAY THAT HAVE A WASH, RIGHT? SO WILL THAT SET A PRECEDENT? WILL THAT MAKE COUNCIL THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF OUR CODES SHOULD CHANGE AROUND, HEY, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW STORE, YOU HAVE TO BUILD HOUSING TO GO WITH THE STORE OR WHATEVER IT IS. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO REACH OUT TO THAT COMMUNITY THAT'S BEHIND YOU AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND SOLUTIONS. BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE HOUSING IS OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT I IN THE LONG RUN. BUT I AM VERY CONFLICTED ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE HOTEL PIECE BECAUSE I JUST, I JUST SEE TOO MANY OPEN-ENDED ISSUES HERE. SO [05:15:01] DONE MY BEST TO TRY AND EXPLAIN MY POSITION. OKAY. COUNCILOR FOLTZ. THANK YOU, MAYOR. FIRST OFF, UH, BRAVO TO THE COMMUNITY THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT, THAT'S STILL HERE, HERE TONIGHT. UH, THAT IS PERHAPS WATCHING AT HOME STILL. UM, YOU'VE BEEN AMAZING. UH, I WAS JUST SHOCKED WHEN YOU ALL WERE CLAPPING FOR EACH OTHER, EVEN WHEN YOU DISAGREED WITH EACH OTHER. THAT'S A FIRST. SO, UH, FROM A CIVILITY AND CIVICS STANDPOINT, BRAVO. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT. THE, UH, I, I'M NOT CONFLICTED ABOUT WHERE I STAND ON THIS. AND SO I WILL GET TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE I AM HERE SHORTLY. I HOPE, I THINK THAT, UH, THE VICE MAYOR CALLED IT FUZZY THAT THINGS FEEL FUZZY. AND, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, THAT THERE'S STILL TOO MANY YEAH, WE COULD STIPULATE THAT. YEAH, THAT'S NOT QUITE SET YET. UM, SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ASPECT, THAT THINGS ARE NOT AS IN CONCRETE AS THEY NEED TO BE, THAT THERE'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACCOMPANYING THIS. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS MAKE ME UNCOMFORTABLE. I APPRECIATED THE CALL THAT WE, THE ZOOM THAT WE HAD ON FRIDAY, UH, BANEY FAMILY. THANK YOU. UH, MR. TATE, THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE FTE ESTIMATES. THAT WAS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WAS ON MY MIND THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN. AND ONCE I HAD A COPY IN HAND, I CONTACTED FOUR HOTELIERS IN TOWN AND I ASKED THEM WHAT THEIR OPINION WAS ABOUT THE REASONABLENESS OF THOSE NUMBERS. THREE ANSWERED AND ONE DEFERRED TO ANOTHER HOTEL YOU'RE IN TOWN. AND THE ANSWERS THAT I GOT BACK RANGED FROM SEEMS ABOUT RIGHT TO LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIGHT. UH, SEVERAL OF THEM ASKED ABOUT THE CENTRALIZED RESOURCES THAT WOULDN'T BE HERE, THE HR, ACCOUNTING, REVENUE MANAGEMENT, ET CETERA. BUT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS STILL ABOUT WHETHER IT MIGHT BE LIGHT BY A FEW PEOPLE AROUND, UH, BELL AND VALET. UH, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE HOUSEKEEPING QUESTIONS ABOUT SERVERS FOR THE RESTAURANT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT LIGHT STILL FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE MY HEAD'S AT ON THE 32 AND A HALF ESTIMATE. AND IN TERMS OF THINKING ABOUT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, UH, RELATIVE TO HOUSING, IF THERE IS NO COMMUNITY BENEFIT, UNLESS THERE IS A HOUSING COMPONENT THAT EXCEEDS WHAT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED TO STAFF THE PROPERTY LIKE THAT, THAT'S HARD FOR ME. LIKE THERE IS, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET ME AROUND THAT THE RM TWO WOULD ALREADY HAVE 12 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. SO YOU TAKE THAT OFF OF THE 40 THAT BRINGS YOU DOWN TO 28, IF YOU'RE LIGHT BY A FEW AND THEN YOU SAY THAT SHOULD BE 36, THEN YOU'RE A DEFICIT OF EIGHT JUST TO GET TO A WASH. AND THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING BEYOND THAT. IS IT 10 MORE UNITS? IS IT 20? I DON'T KNOW, BUT IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING PUSHING 55 OR 60 PROBABLY. OKAY. UM, TO WHERE I WOULD SAY, YEAH, I CAN SEE AN ACTUAL TRUE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FROM A HOUSING PERSPECTIVE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS PARK AND STAY, I SAY NO WAY, UH, PEOPLE ARE GONNA HOP IN THEIR VEHICLES. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE OFFERING THAT. I DON'T THINK YOUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REALLY WAS BASED THOUGH ON PARK AND STAY. WAS IT? SO, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THAT ALL YOUR MATH IS RIGHT, THEN THERE'S STILL A A, A PRETTY COMPELLING ARGUMENT THAT FROM A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, THAT THIS PARTICULAR USE OF THE LAND WOULD BE BENEFICIAL COMPARED TO OTHER POTENTIAL USES. UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION'S BEEN RAISED OF, WELL, DO WE NEED ANY MORE HOTELS IN TOWN? AND THE THE ONE PLACE WHERE I CAN SAY UNEQUIVOCALLY NO, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE HOTELS, IS FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT NO, WE DON'T REALLY NEED MORE TOURISTS AND WE DON'T NEED TO BE MOTIVATED TO BRING MORE MONEY INTO THE CITY IN TERMS OF MORE TAX REVENUE. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE IS MOTIVATED TO WANT TO APPROVE MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PURE SAKE OF BRINGING MORE DOLLARS INTO THE CITY. LIKE, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ABOUT. SO, YOU KNOW, FROM A, THAT HOTEL PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR FURMAN SPOKE TO COMPETITION, COMPETITION BEING GOOD. THAT IS CAPITALISM. THAT'S TRUE. UM, SO I'M NOT GONNA HANG ON THE IDEA THAT OH NO, WE, WE CAN'T HAVE MORE, MORE [05:20:01] HOTELS FOR JUST THE SAKE OF NOT WANTING MORE HOTELS. I THOUGHT THAT COUNCILOR DUNN DID A GREAT JOB, UH, EARLIER ON IN THE, UH, Q AND A AROUND FRAMING WHAT THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES ARE OF OTHER, UH, USES OF THIS LAND. AND THAT, UH, THEY MIGHT BE LESS DESIRABLE. I'M NOT INTO FEAR MONGERING, BUT AT 12 UNITS AN ACRE TIMES SIX, HAVING 72 STR ON THAT PROPERTY, WHICH FRANKLY, IF I'M A HOSPITALITY COMPANY AND I CAN'T GET THIS PROJECT THROUGH AND I COULD GO BUILD 72 ST AS A PSEUDO RESORT COMMUNITY, THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE, RIGHT? AND THAT IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE THAT THIS COMMUNITY WOULD WANT. SO AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO FEAR MONGER, BUT YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THE 24 7 SUPER MAC, DADDY A CIRCLE K, YOU NAME IT, UM, THIS MAY WELL BE, UH, THE BEST USE OF THE LAND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SECURE. UM, THE OUTREACH THAT'S BEEN BOTCHED, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, I WON'T REPEAT FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHARED, AND I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE REDONE. UM, I PERSONALLY WOULD LOVE AN INVITATION FROM ANYBODY THAT LIVES ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. I WOULD LOVE AN INVITATION TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE LAND FROM YOUR PARCEL. I, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAPPILY DO THAT. YOU CAN GRAB A CARD FROM ME OR GET, YOU KNOW, MY CONTACT INFORMATION ON THE CITY WEBSITE. I WILL COME AND MEET WITH YOU. UH, I WANNA SEE THE WHITE STICK, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY I CAN MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT SEEING THE WHITE STICK IN THE GROUND TO KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT IT REALLY IS. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S HYPERBOLE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. RIGHT? AND I'M SENSITIVE DESPITE WHAT IT MAY SOUND LIKE THAT WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF HYPERBOLE POTENTIALLY RUNNING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. UM, LET'S SEE. ONE LITTLE ADDED BENEFIT SINCE FORMER SENATOR KAISER'S IN THE ROOM. UM, WHEN YOU HELD A HEARING HERE, I WAS THE LAST PERSON TO SPEAK, AND I TOLD YOU IF YOU WANTED TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP HOUSING HERE, THEN LET US CAP STR USE STATE FUNDS TO PAY OFF ANY PROP 2 0 7 CLAIMS. 'CAUSE IF YOU WANT A QUICK WAY TO BRING HOUSING BACK HERE, IT'S TO GET RID OF ST. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU SPEND YOUR TIME ON THAT RATHER THAN TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FURTHER LOCAL CONTROL OVER ZONING IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAD THAT DISCUSS, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION HERE ONLY THREE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO. IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO. OKAY, WELL, SO IN ANY CASE, IF I, I'M NOT PREPARED TO, TO VOTE YES TONIGHT, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE A CONTINUANCE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SERIOUS HIGH QUALITY OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY. AGAIN, FOLKS FROM SADDLE ROCK, YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME. I MEAN, ALL THE EMAILS, THANK YOU BEING HERE TALKING, BEING AS POLITE AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN. THANK YOU. UM, YOU DESERVE TO HAVE PROPER OUTREACH. AND I THINK THAT IT IS IN THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST TO SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET THIS TO THE GOAL LINE THAT DOES NOT, UH, HAVE NEGATIVE REPERCUSSIONS THAT PEOPLE JUST SIMPLY CAN'T LIVE WITH. AND THAT WOULD BRING TRUE COMMUNITY BENEFITS. SO, UH, YEAH, MY, MY DESIRE IS TO SEE A CONTINUANCE AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO SOMETHING CAME UP THAT REMINDED ME, CARRIE, THE LAND, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IS THIS PROJECT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT AT ALL? OR IS IT CLOSE TO BEING IN COMPLIANCE AS CONDITIONED? IF THEY MEET ALL OF THE CONDITIONS, IT WOULD LIKELY BE IN COMPLIANCE. BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE OPEN-ENDED. UM, I THINK THERE WERE SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS ON LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING, AND I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, BUT, UM, WE DID NOT FEEL THERE WAS ANYTHING WITH THE DESIGN OF THE SITE THAT WAS SO EXTREME THAT IT COULDN'T BE ADDRESSED THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW. OKAY. SCOTT, COULD I HAVE ONE LAST THING? OKAY. I JUST, I'D LIKE TO LET THE DEVELOPER KNOW ABOUT AN EMAIL THAT WE JUST RECEIVED FROM SOMEONE AT SADDLE ROCK. AND SHE SAYS, I HAD WRITTEN AN EMAIL TO YOU PREVIOUSLY STATING I HAD OPPOSED THIS PROJECT AND CAME AWAY FROM THE MEETING. THIS MEETING WITH A CHANGE OF HEART. I THINK THE BAR BARNEY, THEY SAY FAMILY DID AN INJUSTICE [05:25:01] TO THEMSELVES BY NOT HAVING A MEETING WITH SADDLE ROCK RESIDENTS TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. SO THE RIGHT KIND OF INFORMATION TO THE RESIDENTS COULD HAVE MADE A REAL DIFFERENCE. I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO KNOW. I DIDN'T GET THAT, BUT THANK YOU. JUST, I, I, I DON'T HAVE, AND SO I JUST, IT, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IT, IT REALLY, WHATEVER WE SAY UP HERE, IT MADE A DIFFERENCE. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT. UM, AND SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY, SCOTT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FURMAN, YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. ALTHOUGH, UH, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON WILLIAMS DID GIVE ME A CHANCE TO COMPOSE MY THOUGHTS, I STILL DROPPED SOME STUFF OFF. AND SO I DID WANNA THROW THE ESSENTIAL ITEMS OUT THAT I THINK, UH, ONE IS, I, I THINK PERHAPS THE BIGGEST COMPARISON HOTEL THING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IN OUR MINDS IN THINKING ABOUT IMPACTS IS THE WILD. IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREETS. 106 ROOMS, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE ONE I THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT. CAN THEY OPERATE IN NEIGHBORHOODS? I DON'T LIVE RIGHT DOWN NEXT TO IT, BUT IT'S DOWN THE ROAD FOR ME. I'M KIND OF UP ABOVE IT, LOOKING DOWN. UH, BUT I SUSPECT THAT THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD MY NEIGHBORS COMPLETELY, UH, UPENDED ABOVE THE WILD. UH, MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR ME, AS I THINK ABOUT THIS, I, I KNOW OUR COMMUNITY IS, IS MAD AT OVER TOURISM. AND I KNOW THIS COMMUNITY IS MAD AT SDRS. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS MAD AT SDRS BECAUSE OF WHAT IT'S DONE TO THE COMMUNITIES. BUT I DON'T WANT US TO PIVOT AND TAKE OUT OUR ANGER ON SDRS TO THE ONE THING THAT WE CAN REGULATE. WE CAN'T REGULATE STR. SO WE GO AND, AND TAKE OUR ANGER OUT ON LODGING. AND I THINK THAT'S MISGUIDED. WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT CAREFULLY AS, AS WE THINK ABOUT PROJECTS THAT MOVE THROUGH HERE. AND THEN THE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE I THINK THERE WILL BE NOTHING MORE POTENT TO REIGNITE THE GROWTH STR IN THIS TOWN, IS BY SHUTTING DOWN LODGING THAT DEVELOPERS, INVESTORS IN THE WORLD WILL SAY, WELL, OKAY, IF HOTELS ARE OFF THE LIST, LET'S GO BACK AND START, INVEST IN THE PROPERTIES IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND MAKE MORE S STR. SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT. WE'VE SEEN A A, A LEVELING OUT. IT HASN'T DECLINED. IT'S STILL INCREASING A LITTLE BIT OF STR IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND, AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT WE COULD UNINTENTIONALLY PUT SOME FUEL BACK IN THE FIRE OF SDR GROWTH WITHOUT BEING CAREFUL. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS ABOUT THIS JOBS HOUSING MIXED CONVERSATION. AND COUNSELOR DUNN, YOU, YOU KIND OF SAID THAT IT'S, IT'S WHAT I DID TOO. I'M NOT SURE THAT IT, IT'S FAIR OR THAT WE'RE READY TO START TALKING TO PROJECTS ABOUT JOBS, HOUSING BALANCES. YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS PROJECT WERE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THE BANEY SAID TO HECK WITH IT, SELL THE PROJECT, AND SOME COMMERCIAL PROJECT WOULD COME IN. AND LET ME JUST POSE THE HYPOTHETICAL HERE, THAT A TRADER JOE'S WOULD COME INTO TOWN, THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD, RESIDENTS WOULD LOVE A TRADER JOE'S. AND THEY COULD EVEN SAY SOMETHING LIKE, IT'LL BE FOR RESIDENTS ONLY TRADER JOE'S . ARE WE GONNA MAKE 'EM BUILD HOUSING? IS THAT THE POLICY WE'RE STARTING TO CREATE? IS IT NOTHING IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD IN THIS TOWN WITHOUT HOUSING? I THINK WE, WE NEED TO SET A POLICY ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE START HOLDING DEVELOPERS TO A STANDARD WITHOUT IT HAVING BEING THOUGHT OUT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS MEANT TO SAY, UH, BEFORE, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR FOR GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PETE. UH, ANYBODY ELSE WANNA, OKAY. UM, SO WE'VE HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT TABLING THIS CONTINUANCE. UH, WHAT'S THAT? CONTINUANCE? CONTINUANCE? WELL, YES, CONTINUING, UH, KURT, DO YOU WANNA GIVE US SOME ENLIGHTENMENT ON YEAH. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, IN COUNCIL RULES PROCEDURE, IT'S A DEFER CONSIDERATION. YOU'RE WELCOME TO DEFER CONSIDERATION TO ANY FUTURE DAY IF COUNCIL WANTED TO. OKAY. SO WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THE COUNCIL EXPECT THE DEVELOPER TO CHANGE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE? JUST A SECOND. NO, I, TO, TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE. AND THE VERY LEAST OF WHICH I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND LOUD AND CLEAR IS THE OUTREACH. AND IF YOU DON'T GET IT RIGHT NEXT TIME, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A PROBLEM. BUT, UH, BUT [05:30:01] I THINK WE SHOULD SHARE WITH THEM WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE. I THINK MY, I I WAS CLEAR WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND LESS, UH, LODGING. I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN WAS SAYING. THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID ABOUT THAT, ABOUT HAVING, IF WE DON'T DO HOTELS, WELL THE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BRING MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS. THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ALSO TO BE SAID ABOUT, I DON'T WANNA SAY ROLLING OVER, BUT GIVING INTO SOMETHING FOR A ZONE CHANGE, WHICH WE DON'T DO ALL, ALL THAT OFTEN JUST TO GET TWO UNITS, THREE UNITS. THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH, BUT WE REALLY NEED MORE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT. HOW DO, HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL? SO YOU WANNA START ON THE SIDE WITH JESSICA, LET THIS WAY WE TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT WE, WHAT, WHAT WE EXPECT. YOU KNOW, TO SOME EXTENT IT'S A TRADE OFF BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE INCOMES SERVED. HMM. UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THE 40 UNITS. I WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH THE 40 UNITS, BUT IT HAS NOT HAPPY, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED 50% IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. BUT I WOULD, THE MORE WE GET, THE MORE LIKELY THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THEY NEED HIGHER INCOMES. SO I THINK THAT THE, I THINK THE A HUNDRED AND 150 ARE WAY TOO HIGH. THAT'S TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE TO ME. THE REDS WHICH ARE BEING CHARGED, I THINK I LIKE WHAT I THINK, I MEAN, THEY SHOULD WORK WITH, WITH SHANNON. UM, I THINK I LIKED SHANNON'S PROPOSAL OF GOING BACK TO 80% FOR THE 28TH AND A HUNDRED UP ONLY UP TO 120 FOR THE, FOR THE 12. BUT SHE'S THE ONE, I MEAN, I WOULD LOOK TO HER, BUT THE, THOSE INCOMES, THOSE RENTS ARE TOO HIGH FOR ME. I DON'T THINK. YES. COME TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. YES. I, THIS IS ROBIN BENEY. SHANNON, CAN YOU TELL THEM WHAT YOU SUGGESTED TO US FOR THE A MI? SO I BELIEVE THAT IS, IS WHAT I SUGGESTED. I TOLD YOU THAT WE NEED HOUSING UP TO 150% A MI, BUT I WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT YOU MAKE ALL OF YOUR HOUSING AT THAT RATE. SO, YEAH, SO, AND, AND I THINK IT IS A, IT IS A REAL ISSUE FOR THIS COUNCIL. I THINK WE DO HAVE TO SORT OF MAKE A DECISION AND WE'RE GONNA COME IN ALL OVER THE BOARD. AND I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM ANY DIRECTION. BUT I THINK IT REALLY IS A DECISION BETWEEN SERVING INCOMES AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS YOU GET. IF THEY HA IF WE SAY THAT IT GOES UP TO 150 AND 150 IS MARKET RATE, THEY COULD PROBABLY GIVE US A LOT OF THOSE . AND I MEAN, YOU MIGHT SAY THAT'S A GOOD DEAL BECAUSE WE NEED SOME OF THOSE AS WELL. AS I SAID, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ALL ON SITE. UH, THE UNITS COULD BE, CAN BE OFF SITE. UM, BUT I, I THINK SOME, SOME, I MEAN, ORIGINALLY YOUR THING WAS YOU'RE GONNA BUILD MARKET RATE AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE 80%. UM, BUT THE OTHER, WHAT YOU PROPOSED SAID THAT IT'S JUST TOO, TOO HIGH. RENTS FOR ME, A STUDIO AT 1300, JUST, I, I WOULD EVEN, I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME ARGUING THAT THAT'S AN AFFORDABLE UNIT . SO IT HA IT HAS TO BE, IT HAS TO BE LOWER. NOW HOW MUCH LOWER? I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WORKING WITH SHANNON, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I'M LOOKING FOR REAL, SOME REAL AFFORDABILITY AND IF IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT. UM, I NECESSARILY WOULDN'T LOOK TO 60 UNITS BECAUSE WELL, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE 60, THAT'S GREAT. BUT SO I, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR MORE AFFORDABILITY. I, I AM REALLY WALT WORKFORCE HOUSING. UM, I GUESS I THINK ANYBODY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN, BUT IT'S EASY TO BUILD MARKET RATE HOUSING. NOT EASY. IT'S NEVER EASY TO BUILD ANYTHING BUT MARKET RATE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, WE ALL, WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. IF YOU HAVE TO BUILD MORE MARKET RATE HOUSING TO SOME, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA WORK IT OUT, BUT I WOULD WANT YOU TO WORK WITH SHANNON AND END UP WITH SHANNON HAVING A RECOMMENDATION TO US ON THE, ON THE HOUSING COUNSELOR. MAY I ASK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION? CERTAINLY. YOU SAID 60 UNITS IS THEORETICALLY A NUMBER THAT WOULD WORK FOR YOU, BUT DOES THAT MEAN NO, I DIDN'T. BRIAN SAID THAT. OH, I SAID, YOU JUST SAID YOU JUST, BUT YOU JUST, OKAY. OH YEAH. IF THEY COULD PROVIDE 60 UNITS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. SO MY QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION IS DOES THAT MEAN 60 UNITS, BUT THAT WOULD ALSO [05:35:01] WARRANT AN INCREASE IN HOTEL UNITS AS WELL? OR IS THAT 60 UNITS AT A STEADFAST, NO MORE THAN 110 PROPOSED UNITS PUTTING THE, THE HOTEL UNITS. I'M LOOKING AT THOSE AS SET. I'M, EVEN IF THEY WANT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANNA DO, BUT I'M, IF THEY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW, HOW BUILT THE SITE BUILT OUT. I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SITE PLAN. UM, YOU KNOW, OKAY, ALL I'M SAYING IS AFFORDABILITY IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND IT, IT AT, AT 1300, IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S AT THE EDGE, THE VERY EDGE OF AFFORDABILITY. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, PETE, JUST TO SUM IT UP. YEP. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, FOR ME, UH, I, I THINK I'M SUPPORTIVE OF A DEFERRAL, SOME WE CALL IT. YEAH. I SUPPORT A DEFERRAL, UH, TO, TO WORK ON SOME OF THE ISSUES. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE GOT A LOT MORE GREAT GUIDANCE FOR YOU ABOUT NUMBERS. I'M A, I'M A UNITS GUY. FUNDAMENTALLY, I THINK MORE UNITS IS BETTER. UH, I THINK A HUNDRED, WE, WE HAVE A NEED FOR 150% A MI AND WE DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY HOUSING IN TOWN THAT WOULD GET LOCKED INTO 150% A MI. AND WE CERTAINLY NEED IT. I'M NOT FOCUSED ON HOUSING YOUR EMPLOYEES. I'M FOCUSED ON AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING IN THE TOWN IN GENERAL. I THINK THERE'S CITY EMPLOYEES AND FIREFIGHTERS AND, YOU KNOW, COPS AND DENTAL TECHNICIANS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN FIT TEACHERS, FIT IN THESE TEACHERS, THANK YOU MAYOR TEACHERS, RIGHT? YEP. IN THESE KIND OF CATEGORIES THAT I'M LOOKING FOR, FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET SOME HOUSING FOR. SO I, I'M NOT, I I, ALTHOUGH I SAID I'M A NUMBERS GUY, I'M ALSO LIKE, I WANNA SEE A MIXED COMMUNITY. 'CAUSE I REALLY DON'T WANT IT TO BE ALL OF ONE TYPE. SO UNITS WISE, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK TO US WITH A PROJECT THAT'S NOT GONNA PENCIL OUT. SO I TRUST THAT YOU'LL DO THAT, BUT I JUST SAY, SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL AND DO US THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO PROVIDE FOR THE NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF OUTREACH, IT'S LIKE, YEAH, YEAH. I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE OUTREACH WAS GREAT. BOTCHED IS A WORD THAT COUNCILOR FOLKS USE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS BOTCHED, BUT IT WASN'T GREAT. UH, AND SO I SUGGEST GOING BACK AND DOING SOME OF THAT. I THINK THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO KNOW THAT YOU WILL BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? I, I MENTIONED THAT BEFORE. MM-HMM. , THEY WANNA KNOW THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER AND THE NAME WE'VE MET BEFORE WE'VE TALKED, YOU'LL RESPOND TO THE COMPLAINT THAT COMES IN. ALL THE THINGS THAT I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THE BANEY FAMILY AND THE OXFORD HOTELS HAVE DONE IN ALL THE REST OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'RE IN. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A STRETCH TO ASK YOU TO, YOU KNOW, DEMONSTRATE TO THE COMMUNITY AND BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND JUST START THAT PROCESS. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNCILOR KINSELLA. YEAH. SO I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR AS TO DEFERRAL VERSUS A DENIAL BECAUSE, UH, IF, IF WE ARE SITTING HERE SAYING, DEFER THIS, AND HERE ARE THE EXPECTATIONS YOU MAY HAVE ASKED, WHAT WOULD WE WANT TO SEE? THAT'S US SAYING THIS IS THE PROPOSAL. AND IF IT COMES BACK, I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY INDICATING THAT IF YOU CHECK THIS BOX AND THAT BOX AND THIS BOX, I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD BE AN APPROVAL. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT. SO I, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CLEAR TO DO A DEFERRAL. IF, AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR KURT, IF THIS APPLICATION WERE DENIED TONIGHT, THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING THE APPLICANT FROM COMING FORWARD AGAIN WITH ANOTHER IMPROVED PROPOSAL. IS THAT TRUE? KURT CAREY? I, I JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT DEFERRAL GETS US BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S IMPLYING TO ME THAT WE'RE SAYING, HERE'S THE THRESHOLD, MEET THIS AND YOU'LL GET YOUR APPROVAL. AND THAT JUST DOESN'T SIT RIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S US DICTATING VERSUS YOU COMING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE VIEWING FOR A ZONING CHANGE. SO CAN YOU DIRECT ME ON THAT? MAYOR AND COUNCIL? THERE'S IN, IN THE LAND OF DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, IF A PROJECT IS DENIED BY ANY LEGISLATIVE BODY, SO P AND Z OR, OR CITY COUNCIL, THEN IT CAN'T COME BACK TO THAT BODY FOR ONE YEAR. OKAY. UH, AND BUT THE BODY CAN WAIVE THAT IF THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE. SO, UM, I THINK IT'S MATERIALLY DIFFERENT. IF THE NEW APPLICATION'S MATERIALLY DIFFERENT, THEN THE COUNCIL COULD WAIVE THE ONE YEAR DELAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, SIGNIFICANT APPLICATION FEES THAT WOULD APPLY TO A NEW PROJECT AS WELL. OKAY. WITH THAT SAID, OKAY. THAT PUTS DEFERRAL BACK ON THE TABLE FOR ME. OKAY. FOR ME. UM, BUT I AM REALLY WORRIED ABOUT US GIVING THIS SORT OF DIRECTION. THAT'S THE POINT BECAUSE OF THE EXPECTATION THAT THAT WILL SET 'CAUSE. SO THAT'S JUST, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD, OKAY, IF YOU HAD 110 UNITS OF HOUSING IN 40 UNITS OF HOTEL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE [05:40:01] A NO BRAINER. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA PENCIL OUT FOR YOU. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A REALISTIC ASK, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THRESHOLD IS. UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR US TO SET THAT FOR YOU. BUT AGAIN, DEFERRALS IS BACK ON THE TABLE FOR ME, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW RIGHT NOW. OKAY. LET ME ASK, UH, MR. TATE, IS THAT, OR, OR THE BANEY, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE, YOU WOULD CONSIDER IF WE WERE TO DEFER? WELL, MR. MAYOR, UH, JUST READING THE ROOM, I DON'T THINK APPROVAL IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ENTERTAINING TONIGHT, CORRECT? ? UM, I THINK WE'VE DEMONSTRATED IF, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE'VE BEEN AT THIS, THAT THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO GETTING THIS DONE. AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE DIRECT, IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL, IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GO, THEN THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'D LIKE TO GO. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE, I WANT TO PULL THE REST BECAUSE I'M REALLY ON THE FENCE. UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, IF YOU HAD YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU'D BE ABLE TO, WE'D BE ABLE TO MAKE A BETTER DECISION AND IT'S JUST NOT THERE. AND THAT'S NOT ON US. THAT'S ON YOU GUYS. SO, AS WELL AS THE OUTREACH AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON YOU GUYS. SO VICE MAYOR, UH, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE ANY SPECIFIC DIRECTION EXCEPT TO SAY IF CARRIE MEYER SAYS YAY, AND SHANNON BOONE SAYS, YAY, IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY FOR ME TO SAY YAY FOR, FOR WHAT? TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT. BUT THEY DON'T TODAY. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF THEY WORK WITH OUR STAFF AND THE STAFF COMES BACK AND SAYS THERE'S A NET GAIN, SAYS SHANNON, WHICH SHE DIDN'T SAY TONIGHT, THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY FOR ME. IF CARRIE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLIANCE, THERE WAS MORE COMPLIANCE, I, IT WOULD BE A LOT FOR ME. AND IF THE AUDIENCE, THE, THE RESIDENTS SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO US, WE UNDERSTAND IT. WE THINK WE MAY NOT LIKE, IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST THING 'CAUSE WE'D LIKE TO SEE NOTHING, BUT WE'RE COMFORTABLE. THEY'VE MADE THESE CHANGES AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY FOR ME. BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY WHAT THAT IS. MM-HMM. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. BUT THESE ARE THE SHANNON BO, CARRIE MEYERS AND HER DEPARTMENT AND THE RESIDENTS. I WOULD BE GOOD. OKAY. BUT I'M UNSURE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR TONIGHT. WHAT I'M SAYING FOR TONIGHT IS DEFER. OH. OH, YOU DIDN'T, THAT'S WHY I ASKED. I SAID IT. I WAS, I DIDN'T SAID IT. AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA PUT STAFF INTO THAT POSITION WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT'S THEIR JOB? THEY, THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, KAREN. YEAH, I I MEAN I, I JUST, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFICULT ASK AND POSITION TO PUT STAFF IN FOR THE SHEER REASON THAT 110 HOTEL ROOMS WILL NEVER CONFORM WITH THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN THAT THIS BODY CHANGED. THAT'S RIGHT. SO, RIGHT. BUT IN THEIR RIGHT IT'S ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO HAVE DECISION, A MATTER OF COUNSEL DETERMINING THAT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT'S BROUGHT FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT OUTWEIGHS THE FACT THAT YOU ALL MADE A LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS CFA. THAT EXCLUDES LOGIC. RIGHT. THANK YOU KAREN. UM, AND I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, THAT THERE IS, UM, THE TALKING ABOUT AMISS RENTAL RES AFFORDABILITY RESTRICTIONS IS ONE THING. TALKING ABOUT CHANGING UNIT MIX, CHANGING THE NO INCREASING, IT'S, THAT WOULD BE A, A NEW APPLICATION. UM, THIS IS, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. MM-HMM, AND ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THAT? I, I DON'T KNOW. WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK WITH, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT CAN BE DONE WITHIN THIS APPLICATION OR IF THERE WERE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IF A NEW APPLICATION WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND WE WOULDN'T TO PNC, RIGHT? YEAH. WE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE, WE SAW WHAT THE APPLICANT BROUGHT FORWARD. I MEAN, IF, IF, IF THERE'S 28 STUDIOS AND THAT BECAME 10 MORE ONE BEDROOMS, THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH. YEP. I DON'T KNOW IF JUST CHANGING THE UNIT COUNT WOULDN'T, BUT I THINK WHAT CARRIE'S POINT IS IF IT CHANGES THE FOOTPRINT OR THE, THE PLAN SIGNIFICANTLY, SO THEN THAT WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO GO BACK TO P AND C. SO SHANNON WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT, [05:45:01] UM, OFFSITE HOUSING OR CONTRIBUTION TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND IS ALSO AN OPTION. SO ASKING FOR MORE IN THE HOUSING SIDE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CURRENT PLAN. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT UP. IT'S NOT, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T MAKE ON THE FLY DECISIONS LIKE THIS. I'M JUST, I'M REALLY NOT. I'M GETTING EVEN LESS COMFORTABLE . ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT'S THE APPETITE FOR DENYING THIS APPLICATION AND LET THEM REAPPLY AND UH, SEE WHERE, WHERE IS THE COUNSEL ON THAT, BRIAN? TO BE CLEAR, WE CAN WAIVE THE YEAR ON THAT. WE CAN WAIVE THE YEAR. OKAY. ONLY IF THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES, KURT SAID. RIGHT. AS OPPOSED TO JUST, UH, DEFERRING. YES. I MEAN, BRIAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT BEFORE WEIGHING IN MYSELF. OKAY. BEN? UH, I THINK OUR PREFERENCE WOULD CERTAINLY BE TO FIND A WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT STARTING OVER. I THINK STARTING OVER IS JUST, THAT'S AN ENORMOUS LIFT AT THIS POINT. OH, I GET IT. IN TERMS OF WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CHANGE, AND FRANKLY IF IT IN, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY WAYS THAT WE CAN ADJUST THE, THE, THE UNIT MIX WITHOUT GOING BEYOND THE SITE PLAN. WOULD IT CHANGE THE DENSITY? YES. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A QUESTION WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO P AND Z, BUT AT LEAST FROM WHAT I HAVE UNDERSTANDING AS FAR AS THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE COUNCIL AND THE, AND THE PRIORITIES THAT I'VE WRITTEN DOWN AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE PERCENTAGES OF A MI, CERTAINLY THE OUTREACH, UH, THE AMOUNT OF LODGING, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. AND I THINK WE CAN AT AT LEAST IN SOME WAYS, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, JUST PUTTING MORE CERTAINTY AROUND THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL'S FINDING FUZZY TO USE TO BORROW A WORD FROM THE COUNCIL, UM, TO ONE, MAKE THIS A LOT CLEARER AS FAR AS THE PROPOSAL THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, THE COMMITMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT AS FAR AS THE WAY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA INTERACT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE CHANGING THE SITE PLAN BUT WILL LEAD TO A MORE COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND ALSO WORKING WITH SHANNON ON THE PERCENTAGES OF A MI AND, AND THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS ULTIMATELY YIELDS A PUBLIC BENEFIT, THE COUNCIL CAN SUPPORT SUBSTANTIAL, SUBSTANTIAL, UH, COMMUNITY BENEFIT. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE BACK TO DEF UH, BRIAN? YES. YEAH, SO BASED ON THAT RESPONSE, I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH THE DEFERRAL AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO COME BACK WITH WHAT THEY THINK THEY CAN DO IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR. AND YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND THEN WE'LL START OVER. I MEAN, I GET IT'S A HEAVY LIFT, RIGHT? SO I THINK WE OWE IT TO EVERYBODY TO GIVE IT A SHOT AT A DEFERRAL AT THIS POINT. OKAY. BUT I DO WANT TO CLARIFY, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE, GUARANTEE ON AS FAR AS WHICH WAY WE, WHEN YOU COME BACK, BUT YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH WORKING BETTER WITH OUR STAFF CERTAINLY, RIGHT? THE COMMUNITY. AND THE COMMUNITY. SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET A, YOU KNOW, A BETTER GRIP. I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT NOW, I'D BE SHOCKED BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, WHAT WE'RE GONNA SAY WHEN, WHEN YOU COME BACK. WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE IN THESE SEATS TOO. SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE IS WHAT I'M SAYING. UNDERSTOOD. MAYOR JAB. I MEAN ULTIMATELY THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE DECISION. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO BRIAN, YEAH. AND PLEASE ON THE OUTREACH, I MEAN LIKE MAKE SURE WE KNOW ABOUT IT AND ARE INVITED. 'CAUSE LIKE SERIOUSLY, I GOTTA SEE THE WHITE STICK . WELL, UH, MAYOR, UH, MAYOR JAO, COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ, THE ONLY THING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WITH THAT IS NOT ACCIDENTALLY CREATING A QUORUM AT A, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NOTICED. WE WE'RE GOOD. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE CAN ALWAYS NOTICE IT. KURT, YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YES, IT'S FINE. OKAY, SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, MAYOR. OKAY. WE DIDN'T SAY THIS, BUT I'M EXPECTING THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD IT. THAT WHEN, WHEN, AND IF IT COMES BACK, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HERE TOO, RIGHT? ? YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER, IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE'RE IN TROUBLE. NO. OKAY, SO HOW, HOW, OH, SORRY IF MELISSA, I'LL BE QUICK KATHY. NO PROBLEM. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS POINTED OUT TO, UM, IT'S A TAPE. WELL, THEY'RE TALKING SO I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT THEM. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS ABOUT SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFIT IN ORDER FOR THE ZONING CHANGE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CFA OR IT DOES, IT'S NOT IN VIOLATION. 'CAUSE CFAS ARE JUST ASPIRATIONAL DOCUMENT. I'M WATCHING KAREN DOING THIS. UM, [05:50:01] IT'S JUST AN ASPIRATIONAL DOCUMENT, BUT IT, IT DOES CONFLICT WITH WHAT WE UM, WHAT COUNCIL SAID. I WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THAT COUNCIL, BUT WHAT THAT COUNCIL SAID AND SAID, UM, HOWEVER, I ALSO HEARD SOMETHING INTERESTING. I'VE GOT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON WHO WANTS YOU TO PUT A MILLION UNITS SOMEWHERE IN SEDONA. UM, 500,000 WOULD BE GOOD. OKAY. HALF A MILLION. AND I ALSO HEARD SOMETHING REALLY INTERESTING FROM SHANNON, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF THE UNITS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A WASH, DON'T KNOW. UM, YOU COULD ALSO THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA DO A CONTRIBUTION TO THE HOUSING FUND TO MAKE UP FOR OTHER UNITS THAT COULD BE BUILT SOMEWHERE ELSE. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY JAN, BUT IT'S REALLY LATE AT NIGHT FOR ME. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER TO THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK TO WHATEVER COUNCIL IT IS YOU'RE COMING BACK TO. 'CAUSE THERE ISN'T AN ELECTION, UM, RIGHT IN AUGUST. SO I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE ON THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. BUT THAT IS ALSO AN OPTION THAT YOU HAVE NOW, UM, AVAILABLE TO YOU TO ALSO THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS WILL JUST, OR SHOULD JUST COME DOWN TO THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ENGAGED AND THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AND THAT, UM, YOU HAVE PROVIDED US, UH, THE RESIDING COUNCIL WITH SOMETHING THAT FEELS LIKE A SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFIT. AND THERE IS NO DEFINITION FOR WHAT THAT MEANS. SO AGAIN, SEVEN PEOPLE, GOOD LUCK. AND JUST LET ME ADD TO THAT, THAT'S AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT YOU'D BE HAVING EMPLOYED THERE THAT THEY COULD AFFORD TO PAY? NO, NOT NECESSARILY. MAYOR BLO. WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH SHANNON ON THAT BECAUSE YES, THANK, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH SHANNON THAT LED US DOWN THIS PATH TO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. IT WAS HERE'S A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT BEING SERVED. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU SHOULD FOCUS ON. MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD END UP NOT BEING OUR EMPLOYEES. YES. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TO, UM, COUNCILOR FURMAN'S POINT, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE ESSENTIAL WORKERS, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN RESTAURANTS, PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN STORES, UM, CLEANERS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. BUT WE HAVE A WHOLE SEGMENT OF CRITICAL WORKERS MEDICAL THAT'S RIGHT. WE, WE TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH NURSE PRACTITIONERS OR DOCTORS, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY DON'T STAY HERE OR THE YOUNG ONES DON'T COME HERE IS THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. RIGHT? SO THE FACT THAT, THAT THEY'RE GETTING PAID BETTER THAN A STORE CLERK IS GETTING PAID. MM-HMM. MEANS THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD MORE. AND SO HAVING HOUSING FOR CRITICAL WORKERS IN A DIVERSIFIED MANNER SO THEY CAN HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES JUST FEELS LIKE IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS. AND WE, WE ALSO, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT BROAD SPECTRUM OF WORKERS WHO WE WANT TO HAVE HERE AND WE WANT TO STAY HERE. SO, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE GREAT TEACHERS, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE GREAT SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND PEOPLE WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO COME HERE. SO THE LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE BEING POINTED OUT. I'M OLD AND PROBABLY GONNA DIE SOON. THANK YOU. UM, IS THE LONG-TERM VIABILITY REQUIRES US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE PULL THESE PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THEN RETAIN THEM. AND HOUSING IS ONE OF THOSE ASPECTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO PARTY ON, I HAD, YOU HAD RECOGNIZED ME, BUT I LET MELISSA GO BEFORE, SO, OKAY. AND THEN JESSICA AFTER YOU. SO MY QUESTION ACTUALLY IS FOR THE DEVELOPER, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET INTO A POINT OF THE CONVERSATION HERE, DEFER TO WHEN, RIGHT. SO THAT I, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE OUT THERE. IS THERE, IN OUR THINKING, IS THERE A LIMIT, LET'S CHECK WITH KURT, IS, IS THERE A LIMIT IF WE WANNA DEFER IT, DO WE, IS IT AN OPEN-ENDED? YEAH. THERE, THERE'S NO, UH, LIMIT ON IT. UH, ALTHOUGH YOU MAY CONFER WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT TO SEE WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE WITH THEM. OKAY. I WOULDN'T WANNA LEAVE IT COMPLETELY OPEN-ENDED THOUGH, BECAUSE THEN THAT'S WHAT, ONE YEAR, TWO YEAR. I MEAN, I WANT SOMETHING THAT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD TO COME BACK. SO MY QUESTION WOULD GO TO THE APPLICANT IS WHAT ARE YOU THINKING WOULD BE REASONABLE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. I MEAN, PLEASE. SO SOME OF THE CHANGES ON MIC. OKAY. IF SOME OF THE CHANGES ARE MADE TO THE PROJECT THAT BECOME ARCHITECTURAL OR ENGINEERING AND STUFF, THAT, THAT TAKES A LOT LONGER THAN IF WE'RE JUST STIPULATING TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, SO I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON HOUSING. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS, YOU KNOW, DO THIS, DO THAT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, WE, WE WENT TO A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI AND ONE 50 BECAUSE THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY SHANNON. SHE SAID THAT SHE'S SAYING NOW TONIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 28 SHOULD BE 80% AND THE, UH, THE OTHER 12 COULD BE 120%. [05:55:01] I, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT FAR OFF. WE'RE, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT FOR THAT. RIGHT. SO, I DON'T KNOW , IF WE AGREE TO THAT AND LET, LET'S SAY JUST FOR INSTANCE THAT WE AGREE TO A $500,000 IN LIEU OF FEE. IS THAT ENOUGH TO TIP THE NEEDLE? WELL, WE CAN'T COMMIT TO ANYTHING. LIKE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE NOT NEGOTIATING HERE. THAT'S, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I RESCIND ANY OF MY COMMENTS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND DEFER TO SHANNON. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT ANY OF US THINK. WORK WITH SHANNON AND HER SUPPORT. WILL, WILL, WILL BE OKAY. WILL BE WHAT'S PRESENTED. WE, WE, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT APPROACH. WE HAVE LOOKED AT, UH, ADDING UNITS TO IT AND WE'D HAVE TO GET RID OF THOSE TWO BEDROOM UNITS, UM, AND MAKE 'EM ONE BEDROOM UNITS OR STUDIO UNITS. AND WE COULD ADD MAYBE. WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THAT, I THINK. YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT HERE. WE'RE NOT MAKING THAT DECISION. YOU WORK WITH SHANNON. I THINK IF YOU, I THINK YOU NEED TO PROPOSE WHAT YOU WANNA PROPOSE WITH. I MEAN, YOU MADE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT A MIX OF UNITS. PEOPLE UP HERE TALKED ABOUT A MIX OF UNITS. I THINK THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY, I KNOW THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT. YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO, BUT, RIGHT. WE CAN'T TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT IF YOU DO A, B, C, AND D, WE WILL APPROVE YOUR PROJECT. WE CAN'T TELL YOU THAT. 'CAUSE ACTUALLY WE DON'T KNOW . SO I THINK PART OF WHAT HAS, YOU HAVE TO SORT OF STEP BACK AND REGROUND YOURSELF. OKAY. BUT WHEN, AND WORK WITH STAFF AND WORK WITH SHANNON, I THINK THAT'S YOUR BEST WAY FORWARD. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING. I THINK IT WAS COUNCILOR DUNN THAT MENTIONED ABOUT THE MEDICAL PEOPLE. WE'VE LOST DOCTORS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA LIVE, THEY CAN'T LIVE HERE. OKAY. UH, NAH HIRED NEW DOCTORS FOR SEDONA AND THEY WILL WORK IN FLAGSTAFF 'CAUSE IT'S A PLACE TO LIVE. SO THAT'S CRITICAL. BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA LIVE IN A STUDIO APARTMENT IF THEY'RE GONNA BRING A, A DOCTOR IS GONNA BE HOPEFULLY MARRIED WITH A CHILD. AND WE WANNA PUT CHILDREN BACK IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM 'CAUSE WE LOST THEM BECAUSE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. OKAY. UH, SO YOU MAY NEED TWO BEDROOMS IF YOU WANT TO. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A BOOM TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE A LEGACY FOR YOU TO PUT ON THE BANEY NAME . SO, HOWEVER, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, THAT'S FINE. BUT WE'VE LOST THESE CRITICAL MEDICAL STAFF BECAUSE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO KEEP THE UNIT MIX, THE DIVERSITY UNIT MIX THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY'RE ALL TWO BEDROOMS, BUT MORE THAN ONE OR TWO. SO WE'VE AGREED HERE TO DEFER IT. YES. WHATEVER. BUT SHANNON WOULD MAKE THE, UH, THE, THE BEST RECOMMENDATION FOR US. SO, OKAY. I'M SORRY. SO CAN I JUST YES. WEIGH IN. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DEFERRING IT, UM, FOR CONS AND CONTEXT SAKE, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID THE SAME THING AT THEIR HEARING IN NOVEMBER AND THEY DEFERRED IT FOR THREE MONTHS. THAT GAVE THE APPLICANT TIME TO RESUBMIT. IT DID NOT GIVE STAFF TIME TO REVIEW ANYTHING AND PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT RESUBMITTAL BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAMES THAT ARE NEEDED TO GET THINGS NOTICED. AND IN THE AGENDA BILL AND ALL OF THAT. I WOULD AGREE THAT YOU MAY NOT WANT TO LEAVE IT OPEN-ENDED. THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT IS THAT IT HAS DRAGGED ON. SO ONE YEAR, UM, SIX MONTHS, YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE. I'M JUST, I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE CONTEXT THAT THREE MONTHS WASN'T ENOUGH. THE THREE MONTHS DID NOT ALLOW TIME FOR A SUBMITTAL AND STAFF COMMENTS AND A RESUBMITTAL. AND SO IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING SOMETHING FOR STAFF REVIEW, A THREE MONTH CONTINUANCE MAY NOT PROVIDE ENOUGH TIME FOR THE BACK AND FORTH THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT COULD IT BE, EXCUSE ME, COULD IT BE JUST A CONTINUANCE OF THREE MONTHS TO GET WELL, NO, NEVERMIND, UH, I'M NOT GOING THERE BECAUSE THEN IT'S BACK AND FORTH ANYWAY. SO PLEASE. OKAY. BEN, I WAS GONNA MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE AS AN INTERIM MEASURE THAT IT, IT IS CONTINUED FOR THREE MONTHS, BUT IT'S THREE MONTHS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REPORT BACK ON PERHAPS WHERE WE ARE JUST AS A STATUS UPDATE. AND THEN FROM THERE MAYBE WE HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHEN WE WANNA SCHEDULE FOR ACTION. KIRK, CAN YOU DEAL WITH THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. A STATUS UPDATE TO US? NO, TO, TO STAFF. TO, OH, I WAS SUGGESTING A STATUS UPDATE TO THE COUNCIL. OH, TO THE COUNCIL. AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN CUT. NO. OH, OKAY. NO, THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME. FOR NONE OF US DOESN'T WORK. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER PRESENTATION WITH MORE DIRECTION AND THEN WE GO BACK AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT DEFINED ENOUGH. IT, IT HAS TO BE A CONTINUATION TO US MAKING A DECISION. OKAY. [06:00:01] SO WE DON'T WANNA NEED, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER SEVEN HOUR MEETING FOR THE SAME THING. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S ONLY SIX AND A HALF SO FAR. EXCUSE ME. IT'S ONLY SIX AND A HALF SO FAR. OH, WE'RE NOT DONE YET THOUGH. WE STILL HAVE MORE, WE HAVE MORE AGENDA ITEMS. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO YOU GUYS CAN GO HOME, BUT ARE WE DOING A SIX MONTH EXTE? UM, SIX MONTHS? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? IF THREE MONTHS ISN'T ENOUGH, I THINK SIX MONTHS. YEAH. IF, IS IT TOO, TOO LONG? YOU CAN BEAT IT. DON'T KNOW. YOU CAN BEAT IT. YOU CAN DO IT LESS THAN YOU CAN DO IT LESS. AND, AND, AND FRANKLY, THAT'S THE THING IS WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE THIS SIX MONTHS AND IF FOR SOME REASON WE'RE ABLE TO GET TO A CONSENSUS SOONER THAN THAT, WE CAN REQUEST A PUBLIC HEARING AND NOTICE IT. YEAH. IF YOU CAN DO IT. CAN I SUGGEST THERE A LANGUAGE BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX MONTHS AND THAT WE USE THAT LANGUAGE SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE? I WOULD RATHER SAY, INSTEAD OF YOU GO ASKING FOR A PUBLIC MEETING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, YOU SHOULD WORK WITH THE STAFF AND THEY'LL COME BRING IT BACK WHEN THEY'RE READY FOR IT. THEY WOULD BE ASKING FOR THE PUBLIC MEETING. THAT LEAVES IT OPEN AND IT JUST GOES ON AND ON TO A TIME LIMIT. AND THEN, BUT IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT BY AT THAT TIME, KURT, HOW WE, HOW, HOW DO YOU WANNA DO THIS ? BECAUSE IF THEY, IF THEY CAN'T GET TO THE SIX MONTHS, DOES IT, UH, SUNSET? SO I MEAN, IF IT WAS ON STAFF, IT WAS BECAUSE OF STAFF THAT DAY. THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE SIX MONTHS. THEY KNOW IT WOULDN'T JUST SUNSET. UM, SO, BUT I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR KINSELLA. I I THINK YOU JUST, YOU DO A MOTION TO DEFER FOR, FOR UP TO SIX MONTHS. MM-HMM. . AND, BUT IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT BACK IN SIX MONTHS, THEN THEY'D COME TO COUNCIL ANYWAY AND COUNCIL CAN THEN DENY IF IT'S NOT READY OR GIVE IT AN ADDITIONAL MOTION FOR DEFER. OKAY. OKAY. ARE YOU READY FOR THE MOTION? YES. , WHAT COURT'S THAT I MOVE? WE DEFER A DECISION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE THIS, KNOW WHAT THIS NUMBER IS. P CASE NUMBER PC 19 DASH 0 0 0 0 5. ZC VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING BE DEFERRED FOR UP TO SIX MONTHS. A MAXIMUM, RIGHT? NO, UP TO SIX MONTHS. SO THAT'S KURT'S LANGUAGE. OKAY. SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? NO. NO. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. DONE. YOU COULD HAVE ALL VOTED THEN TOO. . WE JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. ANYBODY? WELL THEY'RE GONNA CLEAR OUT AND BE LOUD. YEAH, YEAH. FIVE MINUTE WHILE THEY CLEAR OUT FIVE MINUTES. OKAY, LET'S, UH, FINISH UP THE COMMUNITY PLAN. WE NEED, UH, BRIAN READY? DID HE GO? DECIDED HE HAD ENOUGH? DOES HE THAT WAY OR DID HE GO THAT WAY? I KNOW. ALRIGHT. WE CAN WE THANK YOU CARRIE. CYNTHIA, I DON'T THINK I EVER SAW YOU HERE THIS LATE. WHAT? I DON'T NORMALLY SEE YOU HERE THIS LATE. WOW. AND WHO'S THAT GUY NEXT TO YOU? ALL DRESSED UP? ALRIGHT, [8.b. AB 2719 Discussion/possible action for the approval of a Resolution approving the Final Draft 2024 Sedona Community Plan.] IT'S SOMEPLACE TO GO, RIGHT? RIGHT. ITEM B, AB 2, 7 1 9. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FINAL DRAFT, 2024 SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN. CYNTHIA AND STEVE. HELLO, MR. MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. AND THANKS FOR STAYING UP FOR US. UM, , THANK YOU FOR STAYING UP FOR US . UM, SO HERE WE ARE AFTER 30 MONTHS OF MEETINGS AND OUTREACH AND MEETINGS AND OUTREACH AND MEETINGS. YOU KNOW, UM, WE HAVE, UM, BROUGHT TO YOU THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH HAS WITHIN IT, UM, THE COMMENTS AND CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED BY COUNCIL FROM OUR WORK SESSION. AND I AM GOING TO STOP SPEAKING SO THAT CYNTHIA CAN PRESENT A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION HERE AND, UH, WE CAN MOVE ON. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. [06:05:01] IF IT'S STILL EVENING . THIS IS A MOMENTOUS MOMENT FOR YOU, CYNTHIA . I'LL TRY. YOU'RE GONNA MISS IT. I KNOW YOU ARE. I GUESS I'M STILL AWAKE. SO, UH, OKAY, SO JUST A QUICK RECAP. IT'S LIKE MAYBE FIVE SLIDES, NOT 59 . UM, SO WE'VE MET WITH YOU, THIS WILL BE THE FOURTH TIME WE HAD THE WORK SESSION FEBRUARY 28TH, AND THEN MARCH 12TH WHEN WE, UH, HAD A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, HEARD PUBLIC INPUT ON MARCH 13TH. WE CONTINUED. UM, AND THAT WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PLAN. YOU SUGGESTED REVISIONS, UM, AND AS STEVE SAID, UM, WE MADE THOSE REVISION REVISIONS AND THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET. UM, AND THEN, SO WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE DID EMAIL YOU, UM, AN UPDATED VERSION TODAY. AND BASICALLY WE'VE ADDED, I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK LIST. UM, OKAY. SO WE UPDATED SOME MAPS AND WE ADDED A FEW NEW MAPS. WE IMPROVED THE LEGIBILITY OF THINGS LIKE CHARTS AND GRAPHS. UM, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS TO SPLIT UP THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS SO THAT PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY READ IT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ON A COMPUTER AND YOU CAN'T ZOOM IN AT LEAST, UM, IT'S A LOT MORE LEGIBLE NOW. SO IT'S DIVIDED INTO THREE PAGES BASICALLY. AND IF YOU PRINT IT, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO READ STREET NAMES AND EVERYTHING. UM, SO THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. UM, WE DID ADD IN ADDITIONAL DIAGRAMS, FOR EXAMPLE, COMPLETE STREETS, UM, AND OTHER DIAGRAMS OF POTENTIAL DESIGN IDEAS, UM, SOME OF WHICH CAME OUT OF CFA PLANS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDED A FEW PHOTOS HERE AND THERE. UM, SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT WITH THE PLAN? UM, FIRST THING ON OUR, WELL, THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS ON OUR LIST. ONE OF THE THINGS ON OUR LIST, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT LEVEL PLANNING IS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT PROBABLY IN THE NEXT, WHAT YEAR OR TWO TO DO ANOTHER AMENDMENT, MAJOR AMENDMENT I WOULD IMAGINE. UM, AND THEN COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLANS ARE ALSO ON THE LIST, UH, AS WELL AS THINGS LIKE CULTURAL PARK, UH, MASTER PLAN. SO ONCE THIS, UH, PLAN IS FINALIZED AND APPROVED, THEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THOSE MORE SPECIFIC, UH, PROJECTS, UM, THAT WILL BE COMING ALONG. AND YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY SLIDES . SO ANY QUESTIONS? SURE. OKAY. UH, PETE, THEN JESSICA? I HAVE NOTHING. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. I HAVE ONE QUESTION LEFT ON MY AGENDA AND IT'S THE HOBBY HORSE THAT I LIKE TO RIDE , WHICH HAS TO DO. MY QUESTION IS FOR ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, ARE THERE ANY PARCELS WHICH WE'VE CHANGED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION ON A PROJECT THAT MAY BE MOVING THAT RELIES ON THE OLD FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IF I'VE GOT THAT STATED CORRECTLY? DO WE KNOW? I I CANNOT THINK OF ONE. IN FACT, WE WERE THINKING MORE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN TO IN THE PAST. UM, UH, I HAVE A FEW LOTS IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW. UH, WHICH WE'RE ALL ON THE MULTIFAMILY SIDE OF THINGS, UH, HOUSING, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY WILL BENEFIT FROM THE CHANGES WE DID MAKE TO THE LAND, LAND USE MAP. BUT I CANNOT THINK OF ANYTHING IN THE PIPELINE RIGHT NOW THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY IT. UM, I'M HERE STILL. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING STILL. UM, THE LOBBY'S ALMOST CLEARED OUT, BUT WIW WE, I WORKED WITH CYNTHIA TO DO THE UPDATES TO THE LAND USE MAP AND ANYTHING THAT HAS A CURRENT APPLICATION ON, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO. AND SO NO KNOWING WHAT THE CURRENT APPLICATIONS ARE INFORMED SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE WERE MAKING. THANK YOU, CARRIE. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. KATHY, ANYTHING? I HAVE NOTHING. WOW. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, MELISSA, BRIAN. TWO PAGES SINGLE SPACED. LET'S GO. NO PROBLEM. GO FOR IT. OKAY. SO CAN I HAVE A, UH, MOTION? [06:10:01] I'LL MAKE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST DOING, I WANTED TO COMMENT. OH, YOU WANTED TO COMMENT? OKAY. DID IT GIVE US A PRESENTATION PUBLIC? YEAH, SHE JUST DID THAT WAS IT THAT SHE DID THAT WAS, IT WAS FIVE SLOT. THANK YOU. SHE WENT THROUGH IT QUITE, YEAH. YEAH. THAT, THAT WOULD BE ALL THAT I HAVE. UM, LAST TIME WE DID THE FULL THANK YOUS, SO REPEAT ON THAT ONE. UM, ALL OF CITY COUNCIL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, OUR CITIZEN WORK GROUP, WHICH THERE'S A FEW OF THEM STILL AWAKE THAT ARE HERE. . THANK YOU ERNIE AND ANNE. UM, OUR CONSULTANTS, UH, SOUTHWEST DECISION RESOURCES AND OUR PARTNERS, WHICH WOULD BE AGENCY PARTNERS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, AND THEN ALL OF THE COMMUNITY THAT SHOWED UP FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, FILLED OUT SURVEYS, THAT SORT OF THING. SO IT'S, YEAH. IF I COULD EXPAND ON THAT. UM, EXCUSE ME. OUR CITIZEN WORK GROUP NOT ONLY SAT THROUGH ALL THOSE MEETINGS, UM, BUT THEY WERE VERY VITAL INTO HELPING US WITH ALL THE PUBLIC OUTREACH. AND SO I WANT TO EXTEND AN EXTRA THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. THEN ANY COMMENTS? UH, THE ONLY COMMENT I WAS GONNA MAKE WAS TO REITERATE THE THANKS TO EVERYBODY THAT YOU JUST LAUNDRY LISTED. SO THAT WAS GONNA BE MY COMMENT. I JUST ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF WORDSMITHING INVOLVED WITH THIS AS WELL, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF PATIENCE GOES INTO THAT AND THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED. SO THANK YOU TO STAFF SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT. OKAY. DO YOU COMMENTS? NO, I JUST HAVE A MOTION. I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT PLEASE. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A LOT OF WORK. WE'RE TIRED. WE'VE HAD A LONG NIGHT, BUT I DON'T WANNA SHORT SHIFT THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A HUGE EFFORT AND I SAID IT IS A MON MONUMENTAL MOMENT FOR YOU TO FINALLY GET APPROVED. WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN 10 YEARS TO DO IT AGAIN. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. AND FOR, AND FOR TWO MEMBERS OF THE WORK GROUP WHO WORKED TIRELESSLY, ARE YOU PROUD OF IT? ARE YOU HAPPY WITH IT? I'M, BECAUSE THAT WASN'T ALWAYS THE CASE. 11 O'CLOCK, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO SAY? ? I KNOW. NO, BUT THAT WASN'T ALWAYS THE CASE. SO I THINK IT, IT WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF DIVERSE ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO ACHIEVE THIS AS OUR TENURE MAP FOR THE FUTURE. DID YOU TURN A CARD IN OR YOU DIDN'T TURN A CARD IN THERE? ONE MINUTE. BLESS LES. UM, I'VE SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT THAT I HOPE THAT SOMEHOW AT THE END OF IT, WHICH IS NOW THAT WE WOULD, WE, THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER SENDING THE FIRST 20 PAGES. IN OTHER WORDS, THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION AND THE VISION STATEMENTS TO EVERY HOME IN SEDONA. UH, I THINK LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT OUR VISIONS ARE AS A CITY IS ALMOST CRITICAL. AND IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, OH MY GOSH, YEAH, THAT'S, I WANNA READ MORE. THEY CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND GET THE REST OF IT, BUT I THINK IT'S, UH, AFTER ALL THIS EFFORT AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A VOTE, IT'S A GOOD THING TO GET IT IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ERNIE. AND I AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY. IT IS A GOOD THING TO GET IT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE AND HMM. AND THE SRS. YES. AND, YEAH. OKAY. UH, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I, I, I, GIVEN THAT WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE A VOTE ON THIS AND WE HAVE COST SAVINGS OF NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I THINK THERE'S SOME MERIT IN THAT IDEA. I THINK I'M KIND OF SUPPORTIVE OF IT. YOU KNOW, I USED TO, SO I I WANTED TO JUST PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT YES, IT'S, IT'S AFTER 11 O'CLOCK AND SO I WASN'T MOTIVATED TO SPEAK FOR VERY LONG, BUT THIS WAS A, AN IMMENSE PROJECT DONE BY A LOT OF EFFORT BY RESIDENTS AND MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE AND COUNTLESS OTHER FOLKS, INCLUDING STAFF AND AND MANAGEMENT. SO IT'S, IT'S GREAT. YOU KNOW, I USED TO WORK FOR A GUY MAYOR IN, IN ANOTHER TIME, IN ANOTHER PLACE THAT ALWAYS SAID, UH, NOTHING GOOD HAPPENS IN COUNCILS MEETING AFTER 10 O'CLOCK AND ONLY BAD THINGS HAPPEN AFTER MIDNIGHT . SO LET'S HURRY UP. SO THIS IS AN EXCEPTION. IT'S ALREADY AFTER 10 O'CLOCK. THIS IS A GOOD THING. AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING MIDNIGHT, BUT LET'S NOT GET TILL MIDNIGHT BECAUSE THEN IT GOES, YEAH, WE HAVE TO BE BACK AT TWO O'CLOCK TOMORROW. OKAY. SO I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 4 0 4, ADOPTING THE 2024 SEDONA [06:15:01] COMMUNITY PLAN. SECOND. AYE. WHO? SECOND VICE MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY, ANY, ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. UNANIMOUS THROUGH ALL LAUGHING. YAY. OKAY, CYNTHIA, STEVE, THANK YOU. WELL, NO, CYNTHIA, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. NO, THANK, THANK YOU AND EVERYBODY, THANK YOU ERNIE. THANK YOU ERNIE. AND THANK YOU ANNE AND STEVE, JUST A SUPERVISOR. HE JUST HAD A SUPERVISE YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU KAREN, FOR STICKING AROUND. . JOE, YOU STILL WITH US PHYSICALLY? HE SAID THAT TWO HOURS AGO BEFORE, BUT YOU WERE SNORING. I HEARD YOU. OH, . OKAY. UH, KURT. S WHAT'S THAT, JOE? NO, NO. JOE S YEAH. WELL SOME OF US AREN'T IN ON EVERYTHING AND WE HAVE QUESTIONS. WELL PAY ATTENTION. OKAY. I'M PAYING ATTENTION, THAT'S WHY I ASKED. OH, STOP. OKAY. WE DID A FRANCHISE [8.e. AB 3027 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona] AGREEMENT. OKAY. ITEM AB 30 27, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION. ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION AND STATE BUDGET, AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA, KURT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE UPDATES I PUT IN THE REPORT IS ALL I HAVE TO ADD TO COUNCIL, UNLESS COUNCIL HAS ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE ITEMS IN THE REPORT. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. TOUGH CROWD. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ITEM F REGARDING FUTURE MEETING, AGENDA ITEMS? ANYTHING. OKAY. BETTER NOT . YEAH, [10. ADJOURNMENT] WELL I, YEAH. OKAY. THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL SEE YOU ALL TOMORROW. TWO O'CLOCK. SAME BAD TIME. OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.