* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. JUST STEP IN [00:00:01] WHENEVER, WHENEVER WE CAN. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA CALL THIS, [Historic Preservation Commission on April 8, 2024.] UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF SEDONA TO ORDER. IT IS APRIL 8TH, 2024. UM, WE CAN SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUDGET, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE OF LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. THANK YOU. AND, UM, DON, IF YOU WANNA DO THE ROLL CALL FOR ME, PLEASE. CHAIR UNGER PRESENT, VICE CHAIR MEYER PRESENT. AND COMMISSIONER HUGGINS PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FEENEY PRESENT. AND COMMISSIONER EGNER IS NOT HERE YET. NOT HERE, YEAH. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSION AND STAFF. UM, YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT? YEAH. I, I JUST GIVE YOU A SECOND. SOMEONE IF YOU SCROLL, SEE ON MINE. WELL, NOW I CAN'T EITHER. OH, WELL, TRYING TO BE INCONSPICUOUS. THAT DIDN'T WORK. , SORRY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. , UM, WHO'S BEHIND THAT CURTAIN ANYWAY. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, STEVE? UM, NONE THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY, TERRIFIC. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ANNOUNCE, DONNA? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP US UP OR SPEED US UP OR SLOW US DOWN WITH OR ANYTHING? NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF. OKAY, GREAT. ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION WITH ANNOUNCEMENTS? I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY NEEDING TO DO THAT. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 12TH, 2024 OVER THERE. STEVE, BY THE WAY, STEVE'S HERE. SO, FOR THE RECORD. FOR THE RECORD. UM, HEARING NO CORRECTIONS, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED NOW, THE PUBLIC FORUM, I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC ON NUMBER FOUR OF THE AGENDA. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO NUMBER FIVE, OUR REGULAR BUSINESS AND UPDATE ON THE RANGERS STATION PARK AND THE STAFF IS GONNA PRESENT THAT. LARRY? YES, YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONERS, UM, PROGRESS AT THE RANGER STATION IS MOVING RIGHT ALONG. UM, CURRENTLY, UH, WE HAVE COMPLETED ALL OF THE CONCRETE WORK, THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, 90% OF THE LANDSCAPING WE'RE WAITING ON A FEW STRAGGLING PLANTS THAT, UH, WEREN'T AVAILABLE. UH, THIS SPRING, UM, WE ARE 85% COMPLETE ON THE SHARED USE PATH, PARKING LOTS AND ALSO THE PLAZA AREA. SO I BROUGHT SOME PICTURES WITH ME TODAY TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE NOW. IT'S REALLY STARTING TO GET DEFINED. UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS STORMY BAY. IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN STORMY BAY, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A MAJOR ATTRACTION. WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO JUMP OUT OF THEIR CAR AND TAKE PICTURES WITH STORMY. EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED. YEAH. . WELL, IT IS SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN, SO IF ANYBODY'S BEEN THAT CURVE, IT'S, IT'S WORKING WELL. UM, AND LET ME SEE HERE. WE'LL GO BACK HERE. AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE A NEW FEATURE. THIS IS, UH, THE FLINTSTONE RECLINER, WHICH WAS , UH, CLAIMED FROM THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION PROJECT. UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE LARGE BOULDERS THAT WAS PART OF THE BLASTING. UM, SOME OF THE PUBLIC WORK ENGINEERS GOT A LOOK AT IT AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR BEHIND THE HOUSE. UM, IT'S LITERALLY LARGE ENOUGH FOR TWO PEOPLE TO SIT ON AND RECLINE. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER COOL FEATURE FOR THE PARK. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. GOD, AND THERE WILL BE A TREE BEHIND THAT. YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE A TREE BEHIND IT. WE'RE GETTING ONE DONATED FROM THE ROTARY CLUB, ANOTHER APPLE TREE. OH, NICE. FOR EARTH DAY. SO THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, SO THIS IS THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE PLAZA AREA. UM, OUR, OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR IS WAITING ON THE FINAL DELIVERY OF THE DG MATERIAL TO FINISH ALL OF THE SHARED USE PATH AND THE PLAZA AREA. SO IT'S STILL, THIS PICTURE SHOWS, EH, ABOUT HALF THE MATERIAL THAT IS THERE. THEY NEED TO GET ANOTHER COUPLE OF INCHES ON [00:05:01] IT. LET'S SEE. AND THEN, OOPS. NOT THE ONLY ONE. NO. SO THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE, UH, A DA RAMP THAT IS LOCATED BEHIND THE REST, UM, BEHIND THE BARN, UH, LOOKING TO THE SOUTH END OF THE PARK. UM, YOU CAN SEE, OF COURSE THE LAWN AREA THERE. UH, THE PLANTERS AROUND THE TREES, OF COURSE, SOME CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT. UM, OUR GC IS PLANNING ON BEING OUT OF HERE BY THE END OF THE WEEK FOR ALL OF THAT WORK. UM, AFTER THAT, WE HAVE SOME MORE LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS GOING IN. UH, SOME OF THE PLANTING BED AREAS, WHICH ARE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NATURAL, UH, SEDONA RED, AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE RIGHT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE RAIL. THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE, UM, ONE INCH MINUS LANDSCAPE STONE WITH WEED, WEED BARRIER FABRIC TO LESSEN THE MAINTENANCE FOR OUR STREETS MAINTENANCE CREW. IT'S JUST GONNA REALLY DEFINE THE AREAS. UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE GOT. UM, JUST ANOTHER VIEW WHERE THE PLAYGROUND WILL BE. WE ARE EXPECTING THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT TO BE DELIVERED THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK. OH, NICE. UM, AND THAT CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE PUTTING A TIMEFRAME ON THAT OF ABOUT SIX WEEKS. SO, UH, AS LONG AS THE WEATHER COOPERATES, UH, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING REAL GOOD. UM, PARKING BLOCKS AND PARKING, UH, SPACE. UM, FIRE HOSE DELINEATORS ARE GONNA BE STALLED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. AND LET'S SEE, JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF THE LAWN AREA. IT WAS REALLY BEAUTIFUL OUT THERE TODAY WHEN I TOOK THESE PICTURES. UH, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE, UM, USING THE SHARED USE PATHS. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF JOGGERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE WERE IN FOR SPRING BREAK. UM, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE INTERIOR OF THE PARK, BUT DEFINITELY THE EXTERIOR SHARED USE PATH THAT RUNS FROM, UH, BEHIND LOS ABOGADOS, DOWN TO, TO LOCK'S, UH, PARKING, THEIR EMPLOYEE PARKING. SO, LET'S SEE. AND THIS IS KIND OF A NICE VIEW FROM THE PARKING LOT AREA HERE. UM, AND, UH, THAT PINE TREE THAT'S JUST TO THE LEFT HERE, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, INSTALLING, UH, LANDSCAPE STONE AND WEED BARRIER. SO THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 10 OR 12 OF THESE PLANTING BEDS THAT, UH, WILL HAVE THAT SEDONA RED ROCK, WHICH, UM, IS BEING SOURCED FROM OUR, THE QUARRY YARD, WHERE OUR STREETS MAINTENANCE TEAM HAS CRUSHED ALL OF THIS STONE. SO, UH, WE'RE SUPPLYING STONE AND SAVING MONEY, UM, BY JUST HAVING THE LANDSCAPERS DO THE LABOR FOR US. UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BETTER VIEW OF THE SHARED USE PATH COMING THROUGH SOUTH END, GOING TOWARDS THE NORTH, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE RED ROCKS IN THE, IN THE BACKGROUND. IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE TO BE THERE. LET'S SEE, THINK I GOT A COUPLE MORE FOR YOU. LET'S SEE. UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE RETENTION PONDS AND THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, THEY HYDRO SEEDED AROUND THESE, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY START TO SEE THE GRASS THAT'S GROWING IN. I'M HOPING BY SUMMERTIME. THESE ARE JUST GONNA BE LUSH RETENTION PONDS. UM, PARKS AND REC ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN SOME PLAY FEATURES, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THEM WHERE CHILDREN CAN SLIDE DOWN INTO THEM, CLIMB BACK UP WITH LIKE A ROPE CLIMB UP. UM, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE PLAYGROUND INSTALLATION, SO IT'S GONNA BE A MINUTE TILL WE GET IT OPEN. UM, AND THE FINAL ONE, THIS IS THE SHARED USE PATH. IT'S RUNNING SOUTH TO NORTH. GOT THE GREAT OLD AMERICAN FLAG THERE, AND A GOOD PICTURE OF THE BARN. UM, JUST A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. SO REGARDING THE INTERIORS OF THE HOUSE AND THE BARN, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME ELEVATIONS FROM OUR ARCHITECT. UM, DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UM, THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE MECHANICAL DRAWINGS FOR, UH, THE HOUSE AND THE BARN. WE'RE ANTICIPATING, UH, CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR SUBMITTAL FOR PERMIT WITHIN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS. SO, UM, AND, AND WE'LL GET TO SEE THOSE PRIOR TO ALL THAT TAKING PLACE. YEAH, I'M SURE IT'LL MAKE THE ROUNDS. UH, EVERYBODY WILL GET TO GET A LOOK AT 'EM, AND I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS, BUT AT LEAST BY THAT POINT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE BASE OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. UH, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE DOING INSIDE, BUT MECHANICALLY MAKING THE, UH, THE DWELLINGS USABLE. SO. OKAY. SO THOSE, THE FINAL TOUCHES OF WHAT THE ACTUAL SPACE IS GONNA BE HAVE NOT BEEN DETERMINED. SO WE'RE BASICALLY JUST CREATING A WHITE CANVAS AND THEN, UM, PARKS AND REC WILL HAVE A BIG PART OF IT. OF COURSE, [00:10:01] INPUT FROM THE HPC WILL BE A PART OF IT. AND OF COURSE, DIRECTION FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, SO. GREAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT? YES. I GOT A QUICK QUESTION. IF THERE ARE MECHANICAL DRAWINGS BEING DONE UP FOR THE BARN MM-HMM, , UH, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE CLIMB THE DECISION'S BEEN MADE TO MAKE IT CLIMATE CONTROLLED? IT'S DID, IT'S GONNA BE POSTPONED. WE'RE GOING TO START OUT WITH THE BASICS, MEANING WE'RE GONNA HAVE CEILING FANS, LIGHTS, OPEN AIR, UM, WITH THE ABILITY TO BRING IN CLIMATE CONTROL IN THE FUTURE. UH, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IF WE'RE GONNA CLIMATE CONTROL THE BUILDING, UM, WE WOULD SERIOUSLY CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE INSIDE OF THE BARN. MM-HMM. AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INSULATION AND THEN WEATHER STRIPPING. IT IS A BARN. IF YOU'RE INSIDE THE BARN AND THE DOORS ARE CLOSED, OF COURSE YOU CAN SEE GAPS. AND IT'S NOT VERY, I WOULDN'T SAY THERE'S ANY ART FACTOR IN THAT BARN AT ALL. SO, UM, BUT EVERYTHING CAN BE DONE. UH, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT AT A FUTURE DATE. UM, BUT AS OF NOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE FORWARD TO TRY TO GET IT TO BE USABLE SPACE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YOU'LL HAVE FANS AND THINGS. THE HOUSE WILL BE, THE HOUSE WILL BE CLIMATE CONTROL. THAT'S, THAT'S A GIVEN. AND AND THERE'LL BE FANS IN THERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IF SO, THERE'LL BE YEAH. IT WON'T BE REAL COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IN THE HEAT OF THE DAY. YEAH. YEAH. WELL ACTUALLY, DEPENDING ON THE BREEZE AND WHAT YOU HAVE OPEN AND THE CIRCULATION WITH THE FANS COULD BE COMFORTABLE. YEAH. I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE A WAIT AND SEE, YOU KNOW, IS IT MISERABLE IN HERE? DO WE NEED TO GET THAT CLIMATE CONTROL? OR HEY, THIS IS NICE, WE'RE OUTSIDE, WE'RE ENJOYING OUR EVENT, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO THE AR I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THE ARCHITECT HAS BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT OUR DESIRE TO POSSIBLY DO THIS IN THE FUTURE. SO HE HAS WORKED INTO THE PLANS SOME OPTIONS ON HOW TO DO THAT. UM, SO WE, WE ARE STILL PUSHING TOWARDS THAT AND THERE ARE SOME BUDGETARY CONCERNS AS WELL. SO, BUT THEN, THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO DO ANY BREAKDOWN OR ANYTHING IF THEY DO, DO DECIDE TO DO IT, IT'S GONNA BE ALREADY SORT OF SET UP SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE HUGE DRAIN CHANGES AT THAT POINT. RIGHT? YES. THAT'S SORT OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON THE DUCT RUNS OR TO PUT THE EQUIPMENT. UM, BEING THAT IT'S A BARN, IT'S REALLY NICE, ALL THE WALLS ARE OPEN SO WE CAN INSULATE THAT AT ANY POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE. UH, SAME THING WITH THE ROOF. AND, UM, SO, UH, THAT IS PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS, UH, FOR THE INTERNAL BUILD OUT. UH, NOT TO BE FORGOTTEN, BUT NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE FA FIRST PHASE OF THE BUILD OUT. OKAY. OKAY. A QUESTION. UM, IT'S PROBABLY ONLY GONNA BE HOT THREE MONTHS A YEAR, THREE AND A HALF MONTHS A YEAR. MM-HMM. , I SUSPECT THE MOST TIME, IT MIGHT EVEN BE A LITTLE CHILLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT JUST INDUSTRIAL DUCT WORK AT THE TOP WITH A SWAMP COOLING SYSTEM? SO WE COULD JUST 'CAUSE SWAMP COOLING WORKS WELL WHEN YOU OPEN UP YOUR DOORS. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOT DECIDED. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD SEE A SIMPLE WAY TO DO IT. YEAH. THAT WAY WE JUST HAVE A NICE INDUSTRIAL PIPE. YOU HANG IT FROM THE CEILING, COMES DOWN A COUPLE SPOTS, OPEN UP YOUR DOORS, AND IF YOU GET A CROWD, YOU JUST FLIP IT ON. EXACTLY. AND IT DOES, AND IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY EXPENSIVE. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, YOU SAY IT'LL BE A DECISION POINT BETWEEN, UM, HPC AND, UM, PARKS AND REC, BUT WE DON'T TEND TO MEET TOGETHER AND I DON'T WANNA SEE US. THEY SAY THIS, WE SAY THAT, THEY SAY THAT, COULD WE MEET TOGETHER IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT? I THINK GO AHEAD. I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, UM, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE SCOPE OF HPC IS. YEAH. WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING YOU HERE IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE. UM, I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT UNDER THE SCOPE OF HPC, THAT YOU HAVE A DECISION PROCESS TO SAY YAY OR NAY ABOUT THE INTERIOR BUILD OUT OF THE, NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A YAY OR NAY, BUT I JUST THINK WE WANT SOME INPUT. SURE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S ALL. YEAH. I AGREE. ABSOLUTELY. I JUST, IT JUST, I FIND SOMETIMES WITH THE CITY, IT'S, IT'S SILOS AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION, THEN PARKS AND REC CAN HAVE SOME INPUT AND WE CAN HEAR IT, AND THEN WE COULD HAVE SOME INPUT AND HEAR IT, AND THEN YOU GUYS MAKE THE DECISION AS OPPOSED TO GOING FROM THIS SILO TO THAT SILO, AND THEN THIS SILO'S UPSET. 'CAUSE THAT SILO DIDN'T HEAR. THAT TENDS TO BE HOW IT KIND OF WORKS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT MAY, IT MAY BE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. EXACTLY. I DON'T KNOW. WE PROBABLY ARE, BUT I JUST, WHEN I HEAR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, WE HAVE, 'CAUSE THE INPUT I HEARD EIGHT YEARS AGO IS DIFFERENT THAN WE HAVE TODAY. RIGHT. OKAY. I GET IT. BUT SOMEHOW IT'S MOVED IT'S MORPHED. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. AND COUNCIL HAS A, HAS THEIR OWN THEIR OWN SAY YEAH. AS WELL. SO, UH, LARRY, YES, SIR. UH, HAS A DECISION BEEN MADE ABOUT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE LOFT? UM, THEY, OOPS, THEY, UM, THE BASIC DESIGN I'M SEEING IS, UH, A DA COMPLIANT STAIRWELL, BUT [00:15:01] NOT NECESSARILY ANY TYPE OF LIFT STATION TO GET UP TO IT. MM-HMM. . UM, I THINK THEY'RE CURRENTLY JUST TRYING TO FIT EVERYTHING IN. SO, UH, THE STAIRWELL ITSELF DOESN'T TAKE UP A LARGE PORTION OF THAT BARN, DEPENDING ON THE RISE IN THE RUN. MM-HMM. . UM, IT CURRENTLY HAS A TURNED STAIRWELL, UM, IN UNAPPROVED DESIGN. UM, AND THEY'RE JUST SANDY'S WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH, UM, SCHWAN ARCHITECTS TO, TO GET THAT OUT. YEAH, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THE, THE SPACE REQUIREMENT. YES. AT THE TIME. AND, UH, AND THE WAY THE STRINGERS WERE CUT AT THAT TIME, I THOUGHT, HMM. NOT SURE. YEAH. WELL, I I'M SURE THE STAIRWELL THEY HAD BACK IN THE DAY WASN'T COMPLIANT. YEAH. , GET SOME, UH, ROUGH CUT LUMBER AND CUT IT IN AND MAKE SURE IT'S LEVEL, SO RIGHT. MAYBE NOT EVEN THAT NOT WELL, THAT THING IS STILL SOLID. I GIVE YOU THAT. MM-HMM. . YEAH, IT PROBABLY WAS. YEAH. IT LOOKS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. IT LOOKS WONDERFUL AND THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ALL THE INFORMATION IS BEAUTIFUL. I, I WANTED TO ADD ON TO THAT IF I COULD. OH, SURE. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA SWITCH SPOTS WITH YOU LATER. YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL WORK. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU, SIR. YEP. SOURCE. IT'S GONNA COME UP. IT'LL JUST TAKE A SECOND. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. SO I WANTED TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE, UH, ON WHAT THE RANGER STATION WORK GROUP HAS BEEN DOING, WHICH NATE, UH, COMMISSIONER NATE MYERS AND MYSELF, UH, HAVE BEEN A PART OF THAT WORK GROUP. SO I WANTED TO KINDA GIVE YOU A SYNOPSIS OF, UM, WHAT THE WORK GROUP HAS COME UP WITH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BETTER FOR ME TO POINT WITH THE LATER POINTER OR WITH MY MOUSE. MOUSE HERE. CAN, CAN Y'ALL SEE, UH, ON THE SCREEN HERE, MY MOUSE HERE? MM-HMM. . SO THIS AREA HERE, WHICH IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE IN THE BARN FROM THE STREET, IS ON THE VERY RIGHT SIDE, UH, SOUTH END OF THE PARK. AND SO THIS AREA HERE IS GOING TO BE, UH, ADULT GAMES, IF YOU WILL. SO WHETHER IT BE CORNHOLE, UH, OR, UM, HORSESHOES OR OTHER TYPES OF GAMES, THIS IS AN AREA THAT, UH, IS GOING TO, UH, UH, BE OPEN TO THAT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TABLES WITH CHECKER CHEST, UH, UH, INTEGRAL INTO THE TABLE SO PEOPLE CAN GO THERE AND, AND PLAY CHECKERS OR CHESS OR WHATNOT. UM, THIS WAS AN AREA, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE RESIDENTS, UM, WERE VERY VOCAL ABOUT, UM, BEING ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED BY EVERYBODY, UH, INCLUDING, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADULTS WHO WANTED TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO AND, AND, AND MEET. AND, UM, AS, UH, SO, SO THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, UM, WILL BE ALSO HAVING SOME BENCHES. UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER ROCK THERE THAT'S YEP. PERFECT. FOR A SEAT. UM, AND WE'LL HAVE SOME BENCHES. SO THIS WILL BE OUR ADULT GAME AREA. ANY CHANCE OF, OF LARGE SHADE TREES IN THAT SPOT? SO RIGHT, RIGHT ON THIS EDGE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF VERY TALL TREES. GOOD. THAT FOR THE, FOR THE MOST PART OF THE DAY, UH, GIVES THAT VERY GOOD SHADE IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU FOR ASKING. 'CAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID DISCUSS FOR MM-HMM. FOR THAT. UM, AND AS LARRY HAD SAID, UH, THIS WHOLE AREA HERE, UH, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM HERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SLIDES FOR THE KIDS, UH, PLACE TO CLIMB OUT OF. BUT BACK IN THIS AREA, UH, SOMETHING ELSE, IT WAS ALSO ASKED FOR BY THE PUBLIC, AND THAT IS, UH, SOME ADULT, UH, EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, IF YOU WILL, BUT MADE WITH THE SAME MATERIALS AND FROM THE SAME COMPANY, WHICH WE ARE GETTING THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FROM. SO WHETHER THEY BE PULL-UPS OR, UH, PUSHUP BARS, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, UH, THERE'LL BE AN AREA HERE FOR THE ADULTS. UM, ALONG THIS BACK ROUTE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, IF YOU WILL, MAYBE A HISTORY WALK 2.0. UH, FOR THE PARK. THIS IS WHERE WE DISCUSSED, UM, THE ARTS HISTORIES IN SEDONA, UH, ALONG WITH, UM, UH, UH, ALONG [00:20:01] WITH THE RANGER STATION, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, SOME, YOU KNOW, SCHLEY, UH, THE SCHLEY'S, UM, WAS IT A HOTEL THAT THEY HAD RIGHT THERE? BOARDING HOUSE. YEAH. BOARDING HOUSE, YES. SO, UM, AND NATE HAS BEEN, UH, VERY GOOD ABOUT WRITING UP SOME PIECES, UH, TO DESCRIBE, UH, SOME OF THESE EVENTS AND OR, UH, STRUCTURES. AND SO EVERYWHERE YOU SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A ROAD SIGN, THAT'S GONNA BE AN INTERPRETIVE PANEL. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY EIGHT TO 10 OF THOSE INTERPRETIVE PANELS SO PEOPLE CAN WALK DOWN THAT PATH AND, UH, READ, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, THE HISTORY OF SEDONA. UH, AND A LOT OF, OF IT WILL BE THE ARTS OF SEDONA. UM, IN BETWEEN WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO PLACE PIECES OF ART, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE ATTRIBUTED TO SOME OF THE INTERPRETIVE PANELS. UM, YOU'LL SEE SOME OTHER A'S, UH, HERE, STORMY BAY, THAT'S WHERE STORMY BAY IS HERE. ANOTHER AREA FOR AN ART PIECE WOULD BE HERE. AND WITH ANOTHER PIECE DOWN HERE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, NANCY ARTS, UH, COORDINATOR, UM, AND LINDA GOLDSTEIN. AND, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT OPTIONS ON HOW TO ACQUIRE DIFFERENT PIECES OF ART. UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT A STRUCTURE MADE BY THE SAME ARTIST AS STORMY BAY, UH, BUT IT WAS OF A COWBOY, AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY NICE TO, UM, UH, TO, TO BALANCE, UH, THE OUTSIDE OF THE PARK HERE WITH THAT STRUCTURE. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ACQUIRE THAT THOUGH, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER PIECES AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY LOOKING AT, UH, A WAY WHERE, UH, WE CAN GATHER DONATIONS FOR ART FOR THE PARK. UM, AND, UH, SO THAT, UH, OTHER THAN, UH, AREAS FOR BENCHES AND TABLES, UM, AND, UH, WE'RE REPLACING BENCHES AND TABLES. WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, SHADE STRUCTURES. WE ALSO HAVE, UM, IN TWO AREAS HERE, ONE OVER HERE. I'M SORRY. OH BOY. YEAH. THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THESE LITTLE HOOPS KINDA REPRESENT A VINE, UH, TUNNEL, IF YOU WILL, FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH OR, OR JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, IT'S A VISUAL AND, AND A COOLING AREA. SO ONE HERE, UH, AND ONE ON THIS SIDE OF THE PARK HERE. SO, UM, THAT IS WHAT THE WORK GROUP, UH, CAME UP WITH AS A GENERAL, UH, IDEA FOR, UH, FOR THE PARK ITSELF. GOOD. MAY I ADD SOMETHING? YES, PLEASE. UH, I WANNA SET, UH, COMMISSIONER HUGGINS MIND AT EASE, HOPEFULLY, UH, AND LET HIM KNOW THAT THE HISTORY OF THE RANGERS AND THE, THE HOUSE AND, AND ALL THAT IS, IS PART OF THE INTERPRETIVE PANELS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT . ABSOLUTELY. I FIGURED THAT WAS ON YOUR MIND. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. IN FACT, I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOUR FIRST WRITEUP. YEAH. YEAH. . SO, UM, AND WE DO HAVE THE AREA WITHIN THE RANGER HOUSE. UM, I DUNNO IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, THE LAYOUT, AND WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. BUT ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE FLOOR PLAN LAYOUTS FOR THE HOUSE IS TO PROVIDE AN AREA OF EITHER HANGING ART OR INTERPRETIVE PANELS OR, UM, SO WE CAN, WE CAN ADD SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, INFORMATION IN THAT AREA AS WELL. GOOD. UH, I'M KIND OF A STICKLER FOR CONTINUITY, AND I'M HOPING THAT WHEN WE GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE INTERPRETER PANELS ON THE HISTORY WALK, WE COULD TAKE THAT SAME, AT LEAST DESIGN AND MOTIF AND CARRY IT THROUGH. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT, 'CAUSE TOO MANY INTERPRETIVE SIGNS ARE REALLY COMMERCIAL LOOKING AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE COULD KEEP THE CITY OTHER, TIE THE CITY TOGETHER WITH A COMMON LOOK, WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOME THINGS TO MAKE THINGS A LITTLE CHEAPER OR WHATEVER. BUT IF WE CAN GET A COMMON LOOK WE ALL DECIDE ON, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT. WELL, YEAH. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I THINK, I THINK TOO, I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE WANNA HAVE IS A CONSISTENCY AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S SEDONA. YEAH. AND THE MINUTE WE START BREAKING IT APART AND DOING IT DIFFERENT THINGS, THEN IT'S, IT, IT NO LONGER HAS A CONTINUITY THAT I THINK IT NEEDS IN ORDER TO DO THAT. YES. AND, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, SIGNER, I'M NOT SURE YOU WERE THERE AT THE TIME, BUT WHEN WE MET UP ON 89 A ON THE HISTORY BLOCK, I BROUGHT THAT UP YEAH. AS WELL. GOOD. UM, THAT WE WOULD WANNA HAVE THESE TWO INTERPRETIVE PANEL DESIGNS TO BE SIMILAR. GOOD. MM-HMM. GOOD. YEAH. I THINK IT'S LOOKING, LOOKING GOOD. UM, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU PLAN ON USING AS THE VINE? THE ONLY THING THAT VI DO, I DO A LOT OF [00:25:01] VINES AND SO I, I, UM, GRAPE DOES WELL HERE 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T BURN, BUT YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU'RE GROWING IT ON. MM-HMM. WHEN IT'S STARTING OFF. BUT GRAPE IS A GOOD ONE. IF YOU TRY, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, YOU COULD COVER THAT IN TWO YEARS. OKAY. AS OPPOSED TO IVYS. YES. AND IT'LL GO DORM, BUT THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE AN INTERPRETED PLAQUE ON THE DIFFERENT TYPES. IN FACT, WE COULD PROBABLY GO BACK AND GET SOME OF THE OLD CUTTINGS, UM, FROM THE SHERMANS THEY'RE AVAILABLE AND WE COULD START 'EM AND GET 'EM UP ABOUT YAYS EYES AND THEY'D TAKE OFF. AND THAT WOULD BE A, A GREAT THING, A STORY TALK. VERY GOOD. OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, STEVE. YES. A GOOD IDEA. YES. I, I WOULD LIKE JUST TO MENTION TOO, THAT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE ARTS, WE'RE GONNA, WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT ALL THE ARTS TOO. AND THIS IS PROBABLY JUST BECAUSE I'M CHAIR OF HISTO FOR, UH, WELL, I'M PRESIDENT OF CHAMBER MUSIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER, IT'S NOT JUST THE VISUAL ARTS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ACTUALLY APPROACH BECAUSE THIS TOWN IS BASED ON A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, CHAMBER MUSIC HAS BEEN HERE NOW 42 YEARS. UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER OF COURSE, BUT AS AGAIN, VISUAL ARTS. YEAH. I THINK WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE SPEAK TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS. 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT OTHER, OTHER, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SHOULD BE ANNOUNCED WITH THAT. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. YEAH. I, I, UH, CHAIR UNGER. YEAH. WE, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. WE, WE ARE, THE WORKING GROUP IS IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOU. WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT BRINGING IT UP AS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MICHELLE BRANCH AND, AND FOLKS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, GOOD. YES. AND CERTAINLY CHAMBER MUSIC. SEDONA AND THE FIN AND ALL THAT. YEAH. SEDONA SENT. YEAH, YOU BE CAREFUL. SORRY, SORRY, SORRY. SOMETHING. BE CAREFUL. ARE, I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN STUMP ON FOR THAT. GONNA, I HAVE ANY, ANY WALL SPACE ON THIS, UM, SHADED AREAS OR ANY FLAT WALL AREAS AT ALL THAT AREN'T ON THE OLD BUILDINGS WITHIN THESE, UH, TUNNELS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF? NO, NOT TUNNELS, BUT THEY'RE SHADE. YOU BUILDING A SHADE AREA OR SOMETHING. SO ARE BATHROOMS ON THE BATHROOMS? ARE THERE WALLS ON THE OUTSIDE? THERE ARE WALLS ON THE OUTSIDE. EVERY S YES. THE REASON I ASKED WHEN I WENT DOWN TO TUCSON FOR OUR TRAINING WITH THIS HPC AND I WENT DOWN TO THEIR COURTYARD, UH, THEY HAVE THIS SPECIAL MATERIAL THAT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE STUCCO THAT THEY CAN PRINT ON NOW. AND THEY PRINTED GREAT BIG, UM, PIECES OF THE OLD HISTORY OF WHAT WERE IS IN THE COURTYARD AT THAT TIME. AND THEY PUT 'EM ON THE SIDE OF THE WALL. YEAH. IT WAS WONDERFUL. YEAH. AND IT'S REALLY, AND IT WAS BLACK AND WHITE, BUT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. COOL. YOU HAD TO WALK UP AND TOUCH IT AND YOU CAN SEE IT. AND I HAVE PICTURES OF THAT AND I GOT SOME INFORMATION, BUT I, I WAS, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A MONOLITH OF, UM, WHAT'S THE STATUE DONE THAT WAS DONE BY, UH, MAX ERNST, UH, OH. THE BIG CAPRICORN CAPRICORN CAP. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A BIG MONOLITH OR ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING WITH CAPRICORN, MAYBE EVEN AN OLD PICTURE OF HIM AND CAPRICORN AND WITH A TALK ABOUT IT. BUT THESE TAKING THESE OLD, UM, PHOTO MEZ TONES AND BLACK AND WHITES AND APPLYING, AND YOU CAN PEEL 'EM OFF AND YOU CAN PUT ANOTHER ONE ON. BUT, UH, DOWN IN TUCSON, IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. AND THEIR HISTORY WALK WAS WALKING LONG OLD NEIGHBORHOODS SEEING THESE PICTURES. AND SOME OF 'EM WERE EIGHT, 10 FEET HIGH. MM-HMM. . SO IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. I'D LOVE TO SEE. WE CAN DO LOVE TO SEE IT. YEAH. YEAH. REALLY INTERESTING. I'LL SEND YOU SOME PICTURES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? WE GOOD? YOU GUYS GOOD? THAT, THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU FOR NUMBER. YEAH, THAT WAS PRETTY EASY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. THAT WAS GREAT. THANKS LARRY. THANK YOU LARRY. THANK YOU GUYS. AND STEVE, THAT WAS TERRIFIC. GOOD. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA GO ON NOW TO B DISCUSSION OF THE JUNE SHIPPO CONFERENCE AND SCHEDULE. UM, YOU, YOU STILL GOTTA GIVE STUFF TO, TO STEVE FOR HIM TO SIGN. UM, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING, I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING'S UP YET. IS THERE? I I DON'T THINK, NO. I SENT THE NEW ATTENDEES AN EMAIL A BIT AGO THAT SHOWS YOU THE OVERVIEW RIGHT. ON MY TEAM THAT THEY'RE STILL ASKING FOR CALL THE SESSIONS AND I HAVEN'T FOUND ANYTHING DELINEATING WHAT SESSIONS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IN THE CONFERENCE YET, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE COMING OUT WITH A FAIRLY OKAY. YEAH. WELL IF YOU HEAR ANYTHING, PLEASE LET ME, YEAH, I'M ON THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW AND IT ISN'T THERE YET. I, I LOOKED AT IT A COUPLE DAYS AGO, IT WASN'T STILL THERE, BUT I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER DOING YOUR WONDERFUL PRESENTATION WITH THEM. I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU'RE, YOU, YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT COMING SO I TO THAT CONFERENCE, SO I'M NOT GONNA DO IT WITHOUT YOU. , RIGHT, JACK. THAT'S RIGHT. . NO, JACK WAS GONNA DO THE, THE THING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE, UM, THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM. MM-HMM. BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT PROGRAM. THEY THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE ALMOST ALL THESE COMMUNITIES IN ARIZONA, [00:30:01] THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T ACTUALLY DO LANDMARKS WITH SOME OF THEIR MORE PROMINENT PIECES THAT THEY WANNA ACTUALLY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT. AND WHAT WE HAD CONSTRUCTED, IT STILL, I THINK NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR OUR LAND LAND, ISN'T IT? LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. DOESN'T IT STILL HAVE TO GO INTO THAT? ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON? IT DOES NEED TO BE INCORPORATED IN THERE. YES. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE ONLY THING UNDER THE SCOPE OF HPC IS THE LANDMARKING. YEAH. SO WE STILL NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO PUT ON. I I KNOW THAT THAT'S CAN BE LATER ON, BUT IF WE COULD PUT IT ON THE FUTURE, ONE OF OUR FUTURE, OUR FUTURE MEETINGS. 'CAUSE I DO WANNA KEEP ON TOP OF THAT. I DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT. OKAY. SO I DON'T THINK THERE REALLY IS ANYTHING, I THINK THERE ARE THREE OF US GOING TO THAT CONFERENCE. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT YOUR REGISTRATIONS ARE COMPLETE. OKAY. SO, UM, THE USE OF THE CITY VEHICLE, I NEED TO KNOW. OKAY. I'M NOT GONNA NEED IT. BUT, UM, AND I DUNNO IF STEVE HAD ANYTHING ELSE HE WANTED TO COVER OR NOT. NO, THAT WAS JUST FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. YEAH. AND WE THOUGHT, I, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WE, THERE'D BE SOMETHING THERE FOR US TO LOOK AT, BUT THERE ISN'T YET, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT ON THAT. UM, TIME'S GETTING SHORT . YEAH, I KNOW. UM, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE CELEBRATION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH NOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LEANING ON NATE FOR SOME OF THIS AND, UH, NO. YEAH, NO , YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT, SORRY, THAT'S A, THAT'S MAYBE A, A GENERATIONAL THING, UH, TO SAY NO WHEN I MEAN YES, YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. UM, AND WE, WE STARTED SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS, UH, UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO AND, UM, THEY KIND OF FELL OFF THE PLATE. SO I WILL, I WILL GET BACK ON THAT. AND, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING IN MAY. THE, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF THE MUSEUM'S SCHEDULE, UM, IS PRETTY FULL UNTIL MID-MAY. OKAY. BUT, UM, SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT PROBABLY MID-MAY OR, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, LATE MAY IN THE EVENING KIND OF THING. YEAH. UM, WOULD BE. UM, BUT I, I THINK AS LONG AS YOU LET US KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DO, WE, WE CAN DO THINGS THAT HELP, YOU KNOW. YES. WHEN'S THE PARK GONNA BE READY? WHEN'S THE PARK GONNA BE READY? IS IT GONNA BE, IS THAT AT ALL IN THE SCOPE OF THINGS, ? OH, NO. SO THE LAST TIME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT THE PARK MIGHT BE FAR ENOUGH ALONG IN JUNE. RIGHT, RIGHT. LATE JUNE THAT IF YOU WANTED TO WAIT OR MAYBE DO SEPARATE, UM, OR TWO DIFFERENT CEREMONIES, UM, THAT IT MIGHT BE FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO DO SOMETHING OUT AT THE PARK. IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE LOGICAL, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE QUARTER HISTORY PARK ANYWAY. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, AND IT GIVES US A COUPLE MONTHS TO GET READY. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE'RE NOT TIED TO, TO IT BEING SPECIFICALLY IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, WHICH I MEAN, IT'S OKAY, LET'S EXTEND THE CELEBRATION. WHO CARES? RIGHT. WELL, I, I THINK TOO, ALL WE COULD DO, WE COULD, WHAT WE COULD DO IS LOOK TO MAYBE JUST WRITING AN ARTICLE THAT GOES IN THE PAPER FOR THAT, THAT MONTH AND THEN EXPLAIN THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CELEBRATING IT THE NEXT MONTH. WELL, I THINK WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY HAVE THE RIBBON CUTTING, WE COULD HAVE A DISPLAY SET UP AND WE CAN HAVE OUR HISTORY INFORMATION AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT HOW THE PARK TIED INTO IT SO WE COULD BE THERE AT THE SAME TIME AND IT WOULDN'T TAKE AWAY FROM IT, IT WOULD JUST ADD TO THE VALUE, I THINK. MM-HMM. IT BE EASY OF WHAT IT IS. MM-HMM. . YEAH. BUT, AND, AND SO SORT OF TO, TO WAYLAY THAT, IF WE COULD, MAYBE WE COULD THINK ABOUT, AND YOU KNOW, NATE, MAYBE YOU AND I CAN TALK ABOUT IT. YEAH. JUST DOING A P AN ARTICLE FOR THE PAPER INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PRESS IT TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING DONE IN SUCH A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. I DO THESE KINDS OF THINGS ALL THE TIME, AND THIS IS REALLY SHORT, IT'S REALLY CALL AND YOU DO TOO. YOU KNOW, YOU MUST KNOW THAT IT'S WHEN THEY'RE EASIEST, THEY TAKE ENERGY. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK CELEBRATING, HAVING THE, THE PARK OPEN UP TOO IS A REALLY GOOD THING. I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH. NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD TIE THOSE. YEAH. LET'S, LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN TIE IT TOGETHER. I THINK THAT I WANNA PUT AS MUCH HISTORY INTO THE PARK AS WE CAN YEAH. IN PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS AND MINDS. THOUGHTS AND MINDS. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO, UM, THAT DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? AND DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA I WAS JUST SAY I'LL PUT IT ON MYSELF TO TALK WITH SANDY. OKAY. AND TRY TO GET, UH, UH, A MORE PINPOINT DATE ON WHEN SHE FEELS THE PARK WOULD BE READY TO OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. I GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM LARRY THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY AHEAD OF THE TIMELINE. WE ARE. UM, BUT IT'S GONNA ALSO DEPEND ON, UH, IF THEY, IF THEY FEEL THAT, UM, EVERYTHING, UH, SUCH AS THE GRASS HAS BEEN MM-HMM, YEAH. RIGHT. THAT WE CAN, IT CAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE. YEAH. UM, SO YOU DON'T WANNA RUIN IT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT. SURE. THAT MAKES SENSE. SURE. YEAH. AND NATE, YOU AND I CAN MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE COULD PUT IN THE PAPER UP. YEAH. YEAH. [00:35:01] I THINK THAT WORKS. I LIKE THAT IDEA. GOOD. OKAY. SO D UM, UPDATE ON THAT UPTOWN HISTORICAL WALK. I DON'T KNOW STEVE, I CAN TAKE THAT. M DID YOU GET THE THING ON YOU? EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE, I THINK. I THINK. OH, YOU GOT IT. HE'S GOT IT UP THERE TOO. YOU GOT IT UP THERE. YEP. GREAT. OKAY. OKAY. YEP. WELL, WE MET AND I TOOK YOUR IDEA, UH, AND YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DO THIS? THAT'S, UH, TIES IN WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN TOWN THAT HAS A LITTLE MOTIF. UM, SO WE, WE BUILT THIS AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE FRONT PAGE, UM, THIS IS THE PLAQUE THAT'S FOR ALL THE, THE MOVIES. AND SO WE USE THAT BECAUSE WE PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA FORMAT THAT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT OR ADD TO IT, BUT WE CAN. BUT THE LAST PLAQUES I DID TOOK MONTHS TO ORDER. THEY WERE ABOUT 350 BUCKS A PIECE. UM, AND THEY CAN'T BE CHANGED OUT. AND THEY ONLY LASTED FIVE TO SIX YEARS. SO WHEN WE DESIGNED THIS ONE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A FRAME. THIS FRAME TILTS AND OPENS UP. WE CAN ACTUALLY LAY IN A NEW DISPLAY PIECE IN ABOUT 30 SECONDS, UH, JUST RUB IT ON AND THEN IT LOCKS BACK DOWN ON VINYL THAT WE PRINTED ON A VINYL VINYL'S CHEAP. THE OTHER PLAQUES WHEN THEY WANT TO DO 'EM IS THREE, 400 BUCKS A PLAQUE. SO IF WE WANTED TO TAKE AND DO SOMETHING FOR ALL THE PLAQUES, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO DO AN EVENT, WE COULD CHANGE 'EM ALL FOR THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, TIE IT IN AND CHANGE 'EM BACK. SO THIS'LL BE WATERPROOF. IT'LL BE COVERED WITH A SCRATCH PROOF VINYL THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH. UM, IT'S RUSTED. WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ABOUT PUTTING COPPER OR SOMETHING BEHIND IT. THEN IF YOU FLIP IT WHERE IT HAS THE HISTORY PART, IT'S OPEN. NOW WE'RE GONNA EXPERIMENT WITH PUTTING SOMETHING BEHIND IT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YET. I WAS LOOKING AT IT TODAY, COPPER, BUT IT'S HARD TO JOIN COPPER AND STEEL. YEAH. MM-HMM. . UM, NOW IF YOU NOTICE, BUT THERE, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE. YEAH. LIKE WE COULD TALK TO CALEB ABOUT YEAH. WE CAN TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT. YEAH. AND IT'S JUST TWO PIECES OF STEEL. THAT ONE FOLDS IN HALF AND I PUT A, A, A JOINT IN THE BACK AND IT JUST LEANS LIKE THIS. NOW, IF WE DID 'EM DOWN AT THE, THE LIBRARY, WE COULD JUST DO A PIPE COMING UP AND PUT IT IN AN ANGLE. YEAH. AND, AND EVEN BE CHEAPER. MM-HMM. . BUT I THINK FOR UPTOWN YOU'LL SEE 10 OF THESE. AND THIS IS THE MIDDLE PIECE. NOW WE'RE ALSO DESIGNING TWO WINGS THAT ARE 16 BY 20, I THINK. AND THEY'RE GONNA BE DOWN THE LEFT AND RIGHT. AND THEY'LL MOUNT FLAT ON THE, THE RAILING GUARDRAIL. SO YOU'LL HAVE THIS AT AN ANGLE, THIS LIKE THIS, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A LIGHTING SYSTEM THAT SITS ON TOP LIKE THIS, THAT'S PHOTOVOLTAIC. UH, THE LIGHT COMES OVER AND SHINES AT IT. MM-HMM. . AND WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO VERSIONS OF THAT. SO THAT ONE THAT IT'S SMALLER AND CHEAP, THAT WHEN YOU WALKED UP TO IT, IT WOULD COME ON AND THEN GO OFF AND THEN LIGHT WOULD COME FROM THE BACK. UH, THERE ARE MORE COMMERCIAL ONES LIKE THIS THAT HAVE A LIGHT THAT COME DOWN. SO WE'RE GETTING TWO OF THOSE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE, SO WE CAN SHOW IT. I THINK IF WE CAN PULL THAT OFF, IT WOULD BE NICE. YEAH. THAT STRIP NOW IS FAIRLY DARK, NOT THE WAY IT USED TO BE. WE HAVE 35 LIGHTS NOW WE HAVE SIX MM-HMM. . SO I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT WOULD BE GOOD. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND, AND IT'S NOT DARK, IT'S DARK SKY QUIET. NO, NO. WE WOULD PUSH DOWN BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S FACING DOWNWARD. RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK HERE, YOU CAN SEE HERE HOW IT FOLDED UP AND WE BROUGHT IT UP AND IT MOUNTS TO THE RAILING. SO WE'RE WORKING ON, WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO SHOW THIS. I THINK. NOW HERE'S THE LAST PICTURE. YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT ON TOP. OH YEAH. OH YEAH. NOW THERE'S FLAT SPACE BETWEEN THE LIGHT AS PHOTOVOLTAIC CELLS, SO THAT THAT'S PICKS IT UP SO THAT THE SUN COMES IN, PICKS IT UP ALL DAY. YEAH. AND IT SHINES DOWN ON IT. AND I THINK NOW SOMEBODY MIGHT SAY THEY'LL BREAK THOSE OFF AND TEAR 'EM OFF. THEY MIGHT. BUT I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU TRY AND IF NOT, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN GET AROUND THAT. MM-HMM. . BUT THAT'S OUR VERSION. UH, WE, WE MAKE 10 OF THESE AND THEN I THINK WE START WITH THE 10, AND A FEW WOULD HAVE THE DOUBLE SIDES. THEN AS YOU DECIDED YOU WANTED TO TELL MORE STORIES, YOU WOULD JUST DO MORE PLAQUES. AND WE, AND THEY BOLT RIGHT UP EASY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO LIKE, SHARE WITH THE CITY AND GET FEEDBACK BACK. OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND REFINE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. RIGHT. WITH INPUT, AND THEN WE CAN GET A PRICING ON IT. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE DESIGN OR NO, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. I THINK IT'S GOOD. YEAH. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY MAKING IT, LIKE STEVE SAID, A CONSISTENT LOOK ACROSS ALL OF THEM. YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OLD ONES, LIKE THEY WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE. I MEAN, THEY, THEY ALL LOOK DIFFERENT. AND THAT WHAT ALL HAPPENS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA CHOOSE, YOU'RE GONNA CHOOSE THE STORY. AND I THINK WE'LL GET THREE OR FOUR OF US AND COME OUT. HOW DO WE YEAH. HOW DO WE DO THE BACKGROUND OF SETTINGS? YEAH. THAT IT'S IMPORTANT. YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. WE NEED TO HAVE A CON. AND THE CONSISTENCY MIGHT BE A, HISTORY'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN ART THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN SOMETHING ELSE. MAYBE, MAYBE JUST EVEN A COLOR. BUT COLOR. THEY'LL SPEAK TO EACH OTHER, SPEAK TO EACH OTHER, BUT THERE'LL BE A SUBTLE CHANGE [00:40:01] RELATE. AND, AND I'M THINKING THAT EACH OF THESE MODULES, YOU HAVE THE BIG ONE IN FRONT, LEFT AND RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE AN IDEA. EVERYTHING WOULD CORRELATE ON THAT GROUP. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE MIGHT BE ART, AND ANOTHER ONE MIGHT BE HISTORY OF OLDER, BUT THEN MAIN PANEL WOULD BE THE MAIN HISTORY PIECE. THIS WOULD BE COROLLARY HISTORY. AND THAT'S YOUR CALL ON THAT. SO I THINK IT'LL REALLY BE INTERESTING AS PEOPLE GO DOWN. AND I, AND I SPOKE TO, UH, UH, AT YOUR PLACE THE OTHER NIGHT. MM-HMM. . I SPOKE TO, UH, THE GRAPHIC DESIGNER YOU'VE BEEN TALKING TO, SHE WAS THERE. OH, MEAN WAY. YEAH. MM-HMM. . AND, UM, AND SO WE KIND OF GOT ON THE SAME PAGE WITH SOME THINGS AND TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOTTA BE EYE CATCHING BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WALKING PAST 'EM. SO YOU GOTTA CATCH YOUR ATTENTION RIGHT AWAY THAT THE TITLE'S GOTTA BE BIG. THEY GOTTA POP MM-HMM. THEY GOTTA BE ATTRACTIVE AND EYE CATCHING AND, AND, UM, DRAW YOU IN. UH, THE STORY'S GOTTA BE KIND OF SHORT AND PITHY. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, UH, SUPPLEMENT EVERYTHING WITH, WITH GREAT PHOTOGRAPHS. AND WHAT'S NICE THAT IF WE PUT THIS UP AND WE, IT WOULD GO, UH, WE JUST CALL UP AND FOR LIKE 30 BUCKS THEY PRINT A NEW ONE. YES. THAT'S, AND WE CAN CHANGE IT UP AND THEN WE CHANGE IT OUT. SO IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. WELL, AND THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER GOOD PART ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COME BACK REGULARLY MM-HMM. . AND THERE ARE PEOPLE HAVING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THERE WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT. YEAH. AND WE, AND, AND IF WE DECIDE AS A GROUP, WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING ON, ON THE, UH, THE HISTORY OF SEDONA, SO WE COULD CHANGE 'EM ALL TO THE HISTORY OF SEDONA. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND WE COULD DO IT BY STARTING WITH AT ONE END, AT, AT, YOU KNOW, 1780, YOU KNOW. YEAH. OR THE INDIANS. AND THEN IT MOVES THROUGH AND IT ENDS UP MAYBE IN THE 1950S. RIGHT. AND THAT WOULD BE THEN SIX MONTHS LATER, YOU CHANGE IT OUT AND YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONES. SO I THINK THE CHANGEABILITY IS REALLY KEY TO THIS. SO THESE MAY BE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE CITY'S USED TO GOING IN, BUT I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, THEY'RE GONNA SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY. AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE PRICE DOWN AS MUCH AS WE CAN. UM, SO ONCE THE CITY COMES BACK AND SAYS, YES, NO, LIKE THIS, THEN I CAN FIRM UP A PRICE. AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN SAY, HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THIS ? BUT IF YOU CAN PAY , IF YOU CAN PAY THAT MUCH FOR A HORSE, YOU CAN PAY SOME MONEY FOR SIGNS. . WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. I SEE WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. , ESPECIALLY I, BUT I, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF CHANGING TOO, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY THEN WILL DRAW PE MORE PEOPLE TO IT ON A REGULAR BASIS. ONCE YOU'VE GONE PAST IT, YOU DON'T, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GO BACK AGAIN. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THERE, THEN YOU'LL GO BACK AGAIN AND YOU'LL HAVE THAT MOTION. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD MOTION, YOU COULD DO A MAXFIELD PARISH PAINTING IN ONE OF THESE AND THEN JUST LOOK UP AND YOU SEE WHERE IS WHERE YOU PAINT FROM. MM-HMM. . I MEAN, WE CAN DO, THESE AREN'T GONNA BE YOUR BORING FEDERAL THINGS THAT YOU LOOK AT. AND IT HAS A BIRD AND A MONKEY. I MEAN, A CHIP MONKEY AND A WELL, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE UNUSUAL. THIS IS A SQUIRREL. IT'S, WE WON'T DO THAT KIND OF STUFF. YEAH. SO, OKAY. SO IF EVERYBODY'S KIND OF ONLINE WITH THIS UHOH, I THINK THE CITY'S LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS FROM EVERYBODY. YEAH. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD INPUT. WE HAVE, I THINK OUR INPUT IS POSITIVE. WOULD, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, LOGO ON THESE? I DUNNO, ONE OF THE THINGS I DIDN'T BRING UP. YES, WE COULD. IT'S EASY. YEAH. BUT WE WERE GONNA DO A QR CODE, AND THE QR CODE WILL TAKE YOU TO ANOTHER SITE. AND ACTUALLY SOMEBODY, IF WE WANT TO, CAN READ THE PLAQUE TO THEM. SO THEY'LL PULL IT UP THEIR, THEY HIT IT WITH THEIR PHONE, THEY'LL PULL IT UP, AND THEN IT'LL BE READ. AND FOR MORE INFORMATION IT'LL GO ON. AND EVEN SO IF WE DON'T USE A LOT OF VERBIAGE, YES. WE CAN GO ON AND ACTUALLY TELL MORE. TELL A LOT. I THINK IT'LL BE REALLY, I THINK PEOPLE, WHEN THEY FIGURE IT OUT WITH THEIR PHONE, THEY CAN PULL IT UP AND GET MORE INFORMATION AND THEY CAN SIT THERE AND BE LISTENING TO IT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO THE LOOP. YEAH. I ACTUALLY VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU JUST BRINGING THAT UP, UH, STEVE. 'CAUSE YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG DEAL. LIKE IT IF WE DO THIS RIGHT, AND WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING SHORT STORIES ON THERE. WELL, GUESS WHAT, IN 150 WORDS, IT'S HARD TO TELL THE COMPLETE STORY OF ANYTHING. RIGHT? MM-HMM. , YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT EVEN WHEN YOU SUPPLEMENT THINGS. SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT QR CODE SHOOTS YOU OFF TO ANOTHER SITE, SOMEBODY WHO'S, WHO'S VISUALLY, UH, IMPAIRED, MAYBE CAN LISTEN TO IT. UH, ANYONE ELSE CAN EXPLORE A LITTLE DEEPER, UH, SEE MORE PICTURES, SEE MORE STORIES TO LINK OUT TO THIS, THAT, THE OTHER THING. YEAH. IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY TAKING IT UP. AND LIKE I'VE TRIED TO SAY OF THE CITY, WE CAN ALWAYS DO 10% BETTER. SO I THINK THIS GETS GETS US UP TO ANOTHER LAYER, ANOTHER LEVEL. YEAH. AND THE OTHER THING I SEE AT BOTH ENDS, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT IT IS. SO IF WE HAVE A BIG PIECE OF STEEL THAT COMES UP ABOUT YAY HIGH, AND IT'S PLANTED ON BOTH ENDS THIS WAY, AND IT SAYS HISTORY WALK. OKAY. YEAH. NOW THAT'S THE BEGINNING AND THE END. BUT IT SAYS THE, [00:45:01] WHAT IS THAT? IT'S A HISTORY WALK. SO I THINK, UH, WE WON'T PUT ANYTHING ON THAT PROBABLY, BUT IT'LL JUST SAY WHAT THIS IS. BUT I, I THINK, I THINK BOB'S SUGGESTION THOUGH, OF HAVING THE SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, OR LOGO OR SOMETHING ON THERE. UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA BECAUSE IT, IT ALSO READS THAT THE CITY HAS PUT THIS TOGETHER. IT WASN'T THE BUSINESSES OR IT WASN'T THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. PUT IT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, IT BLEND IT AS SOMETHING THAT WAS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED BY THE CITY. WHAT, WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING. AND THE END OF EACH OF THESE, YOU HAVE THIS BIG SIGN THAT'S DONE. MAYBE IT'S A CUTOUT WITH ANOTHER CUTOUT BEHIND IT SO YOU CAN SEE IT. BUT THEN DOWN BELOW YOU COULD PUT THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC SOCIETY, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, MAYOR OR SO AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY DO, BUT YOU COULD DO SOME INFORMATION ON IT. INFORMATION YEAH. AND REALLY MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THEY ACT. PEOPLE WRITE STORIES ABOUT WHAT SEDONA DID BECAUSE THIS IS THREE STEPS ABOVE. WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT? YEAH. MM-HMM. . WELL, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE QR CODE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I, THEY HAD AT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEET A MEETING THE MONTH, THE YEARLY MEETING. THEY HAD SOMEBODY DOING THAT AND THEY WERE DOING IT IN TUCSON AND THEY WERE DOING IT IN OTHER PLACES. MM-HMM. . AND I, I THOUGHT THAT SOUNDED SO GOOD. YEAH. I MEAN, IT REALLY, IT, IT, IT'S SOMETHING AND, AND IT, I, PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S, SO I THINK, SO IT CAN BE A STEPPING STONE. WE CAN PUT THESE UP, GO TO ANOTHER LAYER. UM, WE CAN GET SOME TEAMS. I'M BIG ON TEAMS. YEAH. WE, WE GET SOME, THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE TOGETHER AND THEY, AND WE PUT THIS AUDIO TOGETHER, YOU CAN LEAD AND FIND US THE INFORMATION. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . AND THAT WOULD BE A TEAM THAT WOULD WORK ON THAT AUDIO SECTION. WE GET SOME PEOPLE THAT WORK ON THE ART SECTION. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW EVERYBODY WHERE WE'RE AT. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THIS ON A PIECE OF PAPER WITH AN ARCHITECT AND REALLY FEEL, SO THAT'S WHY I'M BUILDING IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU STEVE. SEE OTHER STEVE? YES. . STEVE, REAL QUICK, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SET UP A MEETING WITH THE POWERS THAT BE SO WE COULD ALL MEET UP THERE AGAIN LIKE WE DID? UH, I CAN TALK TO PUBLIC, PUBLIC WORKS. YEAH. IF WE COULD ALL MEET UP THERE AGAIN, OR THE POWERS THAT BE, WE'LL SET IT UP THERE. UH, WE, WE WILL PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE. WE'LL PUT THE TWO SIDES UP, SHOW 'EM EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THEN THEY CAN START PICKING AT IT. OKAY. GOOD DEAL. ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IN THE OLD SELF TIDYING TRAIL THAT, UH, IT WAS AN ERROR, AND I HOPE IT CAN BE FIXED, IS THE CRENSHAW BUILDING. THE CRENSHAW FA CRENSHAW WAS NEVER IN THAT BUILDING. IT'S THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT THAT SHE WAS, BUT YET THERE'S A SIGN AT THE CHEERS NOW CHEERS. BUILDING SAYS CRENSHAW BUILDING. AND I BROUGHT IT UP TO JANINE AND SHE SAID, WELL, WOULD YOU TAKE THE SIGN DOWN? BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE SIGN DOWN. GET NARROW. YEAH. . YEAH. WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, CEX BUILDING , BUT THAT'S WRONG. AND IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. WELL, WE ALL NEED GUIDANCE ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. STEVE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO MENTION ON THIS? WELL, UH, IT'LL COME UP IN OUR MEETING THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER EGNER ASKED ME TO SET UP WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON, ON THE HISTORY WALK. OKAY. BUT, UH, ONE OF THE FEEDBACK ITEMS OF FEEDBACK THAT I HEARD WAS THAT, UH, THESE BUMP OUTS HERE WERE THIS ONE SIGN THAT'S SHOWING UP HERE WERE MADE SO THAT PEOPLE AND OR, UH, THOSE IN, IN, UH, WHEELCHAIRS, UH, COULD KIND OF GET OFF TO THE SIDE AND OUT OF THE WALKWAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO MAYBE REST OR, OR SO THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT THIS SIGN DOESN'T ENCROACH TOO FAR INTO THAT. RIGHT. THAT, SO, BUT THAT'LL COME UP IN THE MEDIA AND THAT'S, AND I, AND, AND INSTEAD OF JUST A WHEELCHAIR CAN TURN WHEN WE'RE DONE EASY. 'CAUSE THE OTHER TWO ARE GONNA SIT FLAT. MM-HMM. . AND THIS IS ONLY GONNA COME OUT ABOUT 12 INCHES. OKAY. AND THE OTHER WAY I AND I HEARD IS THAT THEY HAVE THESE OTHER KICK OUTS ON THE OTHER CITY SIDE, ON THE STREET SIDE. AND I HEARD THOSE WERE WHEELBARROW, I MEAN WHEEL TURNAROUNDS. YEAH. THEY, THEY ALL WERE CONSIDERED FOR NOT JUST THE TURNAROUNDS, BUT FOR SOMEONE IN A WHEELCHAIR, WALKER, WHATEVER. ANYBODY WHO GET OUTTA THE WAY WANTS TO STAND THERE, LOOK, TAKE A BREATHER, GET OUT OF THE WAY FROM THE TRAFFIC OR THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, I WAS GONNA SAY WAS THIS AFTERNOON WHEN I WAS DRIVING THROUGH THERE, I WAS WATCHING HOW PEOPLE WERE USING 'EM AND THERE WERE FOUR OF 'EM RIGHT IN A ROW THAT PEOPLE WERE USING THEM AS THE PLACE WHERE THEY POSED FOR THEIR PICTURES. AND THEN SOMEBODY WAS STANDING OUT IN THE SIDEWALK AND TAKING A PICTURE OF REDS. NOW WE, WHEN WE PUT THIS UP THERE, PEOPLE WALKED RIGHT UP TO IT AND THEY TOOK PICTURES RIGHT NEXT TO IT. NICE. SO I, I UNDERSTAND. AND IF WORSE COMES TO WORSE, WE HAVE TO PUSH IT BACK A BIT. IT'S JUST CHANGED THE ANGLE A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. SO YEAH, WE WERE COGNIZANT THAT WE, WE WERE DOING IT. YEAH. AND MAKE IT, AND MAKE IT LOW ENOUGH SO THAT SOMEBODY IN A WHEELCHAIR [00:50:01] CAN SEE IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT CAN HAPPEN. OH, OF COURSE YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO. YEAH. BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE WORKING ON ALL OF THAT. WE REALLY OPENED THE AREA UP 'CAUSE WE AREN'T WINGING INTO IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. GOOD. GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO IF NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO FIVE E STATUS OF THE TWO LANDMARK APPLICATIONS. STEVE, DO YOU WANNA JUST GIVE US A RUNDOWN OF WHERE WE ARE? ABSOLUTELY. SO IT'S ALL MY FAULT. UH OH. OH, HE ACTUALLY SAID IT. , IT'S ON THE RECORD. IT'S ON THE RECORD. I HAD HOPED, UM, AT SOME POINT TO HAVE HAD THIS MEETING BE THE MEETING TO BRING THE LANDMARK APPLICATIONS FOR FORTH, UH, AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, MM-HMM. , BUT, UH, JUST DID NOT HAVE THE CHANCE TO DO SO. UM, WE ALSO, UH, WERE MADE AWARE, AWARE OF DIFFERENT TIMEFRAMES NOW FOR PUBLISHING OF THE NOTICES. SO THAT SET US BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. SO MY INTENT IS TO, UH, GET THAT GOING FOR NEXT MEETING AND THAT IS GONNA BE A MAY. IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DISCUSS AS PART OF OUR, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH TO SAY THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT IS IMPORTANT TO US? WELL THAT SOMETHING YOU OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD TIE THAT TOGETHER AND JUST TO HAVE THAT BE, WHAT THAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE FINDING THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS. IF WE ACTUALLY FOR THE MONTH OF MAY, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UM, HAVING A HEARING ON THOSE TWO, MEETING THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. MM-HMM. , THAT MIGHT BE A WAY OF ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING THE THING OF WANTING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A, IT'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. AND ALSO DO THAT. BUT LET US KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LET US KNOW HOW THE TIMING IS GOING WITH THAT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUBLISH IT VERY SOON. SO YOU'LL I'LL BE ABLE, I'LL, I'LL BE ABLE TO LET YOU KNOW RIGHT AWAY. TERRIFIC. WE'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT IF THE APPLICANTS ARE AVAILABLE TOO. YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO YEAH, YEAH. HAVE TO DO THAT. SO, WELL, WE MIGHT DO IT AND WE MIGHT NOT, BUT THAT'S JUST AN IDEA THAT MIGHT WORK. THAT IS ON MY SCHEDULE. OKAY, TERRIFIC. AND I'M, I'M PUSHING TOGETHER IT FOR NEXT MEETING. OH, TERRIFIC. OKAY. NOW FIVE F THEN UPDATE ON THE OAK CREEK TAVERN RECOGNITION PLAQUE. I KNOW WE HAVE IT. UM, NOW IT JUST NEEDS TO BE MOUNTED. AND I TALKED TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT DOING THAT. SO WELL SAYS GIVE IT TO ME AND I'LL MOUNT IT. SO, UM, YES. AND SO I TALKED TO, UM, ACTUALLY OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, UH, TO DOUBLE CHECK AS YOU REQUESTED. UM, AND IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION THAT THAT'S NOT THE JOB OF PUBLIC WORKS. WE COULD HAVE WHAT I COULD DO, WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET SO I CAN HIRE SOMEBODY TO INSTALL THAT. UM, SO WE HAVE OPTIONS. WHERE'S IT GOING? THE BUILDING OWNER? OH, THE, THE, UH, COULD INSTALL IT HIMSELF. COWBOY CLUB. JUST GIVE IT TO ME. I'LL INSTALL IT. I INSTALLED THE OTHER ONES ON THE MBE DITCH AND THOSE OTHER ONES. WELL, I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO ASK THEM WHERE THEY WANT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T THERE WAS COURTNEY. I THINK WHAT WE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. DO YOU THINK ON ANYTHING LIKE THIS OR POINT AND SAY, PUT IT THERE, THAT THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD WANNA HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS YES, THE BUILDING OWNER SAID, PUT IT HERE. HERE. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PLACE IT HERE. JUST IF WE CAN HAVE IT IN WRITING FROM THE BUILDING OWNER OF EXACTLY WHERE IT IS, THEN WE PROBABLY WILL BE. OKAY. YEAH. HAVING GOTTEN INTO TROUBLE WITH SOME SILLY STUFF, , I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET IN TROUBLE WITH THAT. I'M, I'M, LIKE I SAY, I'LL VOLUNTEER, HAPPY TO HAVE MY GUYS DO IT AND WE'LL JUST DO IT. OKAY. MAKE SURE IT GETS ON THE RIGHT BUILDING. SO BOB DOESN'T, UH, PUT ON IT. BOB'S GONNA MAKE SURE BOB'S GONNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE TO BUY MULTIPLE ERRORS. IS GONNA BE ANY KIND OF AN UNVEILING OR ANYTHING IS, UM, WELL, I, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, SCOTT, HE'LL SHOW UP. IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT UP A YEAH. THINGY AND YEAH. AND HAVE SCOTT KNOW THE MAYOR SHOW UP YEAH. AND DIDN'T GET TO PICK, GET THERE. YEAH. HE'LL SHOW UP FOR ANYTHING . SO, UH, THAT WAS ON RECORD, BUT NO, HE SHOULD, AND RED ROCK NEWS CAN TAKE A PICTURE AND WE'LL SEE IF THEY USE IT OR NOT. YEAH, YEAH, GOOD IDEA. JUST, JUST LET THEM KNOW AND YEAH, IT WOULD BE NICE. I, I WAS HOPING WE COULD DO SOMETHING THERE, BUT THIS THING HAS GOTTEN SORT OF OUT OF HAND TRYING TO GET THAT YEAH. JUST A PLAQUE AND THE MAYOR AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU AND THE MAYOR'S, WHATEVER. 'CAUSE STEVE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT COATING THOSE, THAT PLAQUE. UM, WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT PUBLIC WORKS DOES. UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY USE THE BUDGET MONEY FOR HPC TO BUY ONE OF THE PRODUCTS THAT COMMISSIONER HUGGINS HAD IDENTIFIED. MM-HMM. . IS IT BRONZE? [00:55:02] NO IT ISN'T. IT'S UH, IT'S A, IT'S ONE OF THE PLASTIC ONES. MM-HMM. . AND THERE IS A, SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT ON IT. BOB ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH IT. YEAH. IT, IT IS A SHEET THAT GOES OVER. IT'S CLEAR AND IF SOMEBODY WRITES ON IT, YOU JUST TEAR IT OFF, TEAR IT OFF, PUT IT OFF. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. SO I CAN, UH, PURCHASE THAT THROUGH THE FUNDS. OKAY. UH, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN STEVE DO YOU WANT, I I I GOING FROM HERE, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE REALLY CAN'T, TWO OF US CAN MEET MAYBE, BUT NOT THREE. UM, SO GOING FORWARD, UM, STEVE, DO YOU AND BOB WANNA JUST, UM, UH, TAKE THAT ON AND UH, AND THEN STEVE, THE OTHER STEVE, DO YOU WANNA JUST LET, YOU CAN LET THE PAPER KNOW WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THAT HAPPENS SO THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST COMING FROM THE CITY, LETTING THEM KNOW WHEN, WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IT UP OR I DON'T KNOW. I CAN RUN UP. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE CITY IS NOT GONNA, YOU CAN DO THAT. WANNA DO THAT? UP A PRESS RELEASE. OH, YOU CAN DO THE PRESS RELEASE AND YEAH. AND THEN I'LL JUST GIVE IT TO THE CITY AND THE CITY RELEASES. WE, WE CAN INSTALL IT AND YOU CAN GET TOGETHER AND DO THE PICTURE IN THEIR PRESS RELEASE. RELEASE ANYTIME. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. LET'S DO THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA DO GOING FORWARD GETS A LITTLE CRAZY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND YEAH, AND IF YOU COULD WRITE UP SOMETHING. SURE. BOB, YOU DO A REALLY GOOD JOB AND THEN YOU CAN SEND TO THE CITY SO THAT THEY CAN LOOK, LOOK IT OVER AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. SO, ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA AND WE HAVE, UH, MONDAY, MAY 13TH, UM, AS POSSIBLY THE NEXT MEETING. UM, IS THAT GONNA WORK FOR THE CITY? STEVE M ? YES. OKAY. UM, HOW, HOW, HOW ABOUT US? UH, DO, DO, DO YOU NEED TO LOOK AT YOUR CALENDAR? SO NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, SO WE SHOULDN'T SCHEDULED ANYTHING OVER IT. YEAH, IT SHOULD BE WORKING. SO, UH, LET'S LEAVE IT ON THE SCHEDULE FOR NOW, UNLESS IT COMES UP THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT DATE AND THEN WE CAN, THEN WE CAN LOOK TO CANCELING IT. BUT IF WE COULD LOOK AT POSSIBLY DOING THE LANDMARK THING OR, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING OR FIGURING, YOU KNOW, FIGURING ONE OF THOSE THINGS OR IF STEVE, STEVE NER IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION FROM ANY OF US ON ANY OF THOSE. BUT THIS ALL LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY GOOD. I THINK WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE WITH EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD HAVE ON A FUTURE AGENDA IS JUST TO, UH, CHOOSE ANOTHER BUILDING OR PROPERTY FOR RECOGNITION. YEAH, WE DO NEED TO DO THAT. SO WE CAN JUST GET THAT STARTED AGAIN. I'D LIKE TO SEE LIKE TWO A YEAR BEING DONE. I THINK THAT WHAT ABOUT THE ONLY GARLAND BUILDING WHERE THE GARLAND'S RUG IS THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOREVER. ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY TOOK ALL THE, WHEN THEY BUILT TO, THEY, THEY TOOK THAT MOUNTAIN DOWN. RIGHT. AND GARLAND'S IS ALL THERE AND THAT BUILDING'S IT'S GOTTA BE 50 YEARS OLD. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF UPTOWN BUILDINGS. YEAH. STEVE, IF, IF I COULD REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT, UM, THE PROGRAM IS NO LONGER, SO YEAH, WE CAN'T REALLY THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL IT GO GETS WE CAN WE, THIS IS A CON THE THE COWBOY CLUB SIGN IS A CONTINUATION OF WHAT WE WERE DOING THE OLD PROGRAM, SO RIGHT. UM, FOR US TO SAY THAT WE ARE GONNA, UH, DIRECT COMMIT THE COMMISSION TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER BUILDING TO RECEIVE SUCH RECOGNITION, WE HAVE TO WAIT IS NOT WITHIN YOUR SCOPE AT THIS POINT? NOT AT THIS POINT NOW. UH, AND YOUR PROCEEDING TO LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY INTRODUCE THAT INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IS THAT WHERE YOU ARE WITH THIS NOW? YES. THERE'S, THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF, UM, THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WHEN WE BRING THAT FORTH, THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE SUGGEST. ONE OF THE THINGS, THINGS THAT PUTS IN IT. SO, BUT THAT PROBABLY WON'T BE FOR ANOTHER SEVERAL MONTHS OR? YES, AT LEAST. AT LEAST. AT LEAST. OKAY. SO WE'RE SORT OF WHERE WE ARE. THIS IS . WELL, I MEAN I, I I MEAN I, I DON'T THINK THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THAT AS A BAD THING. I I HEAR A LOT OF GRUMBLING ABOUT IT, BUT LIKE, LISTEN, OUR JOB IS TO LANDMARK THINGS. WHY, WHY ARE WE NOT FOCUSING OUR, ALL OUR TIME ON? WE SHOULD NEED SOME, WE SHOULD BE PUTTING A ACTUALLY SHOULD S YOU KNOW, GARLAND'S ACTUALLY COULD BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER LANDMARK. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING. WE SHOULD NOT SHOULD BUILDING RECOGNITION. WE SHOULD BE BUILDING OUT A PLAN FOR LANDMARKING BUILDINGS AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT AND, AND GETTING THAT IN ORDER BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES ON THE, SO WE IDENTIFIED ALL THE BUILDINGS OVER 50 YEARS OLD. YES. AND WE WENT THROUGH AND WE PICKED THEM OUT AND WE PRETTY MUCH DID THE IMPORT. YEAH. RIGHT. THAT'S A FIVE YEAR SPAN NOW THAT, THAT I, THINGS ARE AND THERE ARE SOME, THEY'RE 50 YEARS OLD THAT WONDER 50-YEAR-OLD, [01:00:01] THEN FIND A FEW MORE. AND THAT JUST HITS ME AS IT'S A, IT'S INTRINSIC IN ITS DESIGN. IT'S RIGHT THERE AND IT'S, AND IT'S, IT HAS SOME OTHER HISTORIC, UM, UH, RELEVANCE TOO. SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT I THINK. I THINK, YEAH, I THINK NATE'S RIGHT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE, I'D LOVE TO KEEP GOING WITH THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM 'CAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANNA DO THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT MAYBE WE JUST KNOWING THAT WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT, MAYBE GOING AHEAD WITH SOME MORE LANDMARKS. AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE GARLANDS, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS TOO. BUT I'LL, I'LL ASK DANNY HOW DANNY HOW OLD IT IS. YEAH, YEAH. I'LL FIND OUT. I'LL GET SOME JC INFORMATION. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. OKAY. UH, MAY, MAY I ASK ABOUT A COUPLE POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS? YES, SURE. UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE STAFF , UH, UM, TO, UH, INVITE THE, UH, NEW CITY MANAGER TO ATTEND ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AT SOME POINT SO SHE CAN GET A FEEL FOR THE WORK THAT WE DO? I CAN DE DEFINITELY ASK HER. YES. YES. THAT WOULD BE GOOD. YES. GOOD, GOOD SUGGESTION. UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, WHICH YOU HAD SOME ROLE IN , , UH, IS THERE ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THAT? AND IF SO, COULD WE GET A PRESENTATION ON, UH, THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION? IF THERE'S, UH, IF THERE'S A CONNECTION YES, I CAN ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK. NEXT WEEK. YEAH, NEXT MEETING. WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE. YES, I CAN ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA. YES, IF YOU COULD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS, I HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT. I MEAN, I ASSUME THAT THAT PASSED, RIGHT? I DIDN'T STAY UP LATE LONG ENOUGH. UH, IT WAS WELL PAST MY BEDTIME WHEN YOU STARTED YOUR PRESENTATION. YES, YES. UM, YES, IT DID PASS. AND SO NO, WE DO HAVE A NEW COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND, UM, YOU CAN FIND THAT ON OUR WEBSITE IF YOU OH, COMES DOWN. YEAH, YEAH. IF YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST HAD NOTHING ELSE TO DO, . OH, GREAT. IT'S A HUNDRED THANKING PAGES. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED THE AGENDA? DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE AGENDA? NO, NO. UHUH. OKAY. THAT'S IT. UM, SO WE CAN GO ON TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE. SO, UM, WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJO ADJOURNED AT 5 0 5. 5 0 4. YEAH. PM I JUST, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT'S AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. IT'S FOR ME. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EVERYBODY HELP. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.