* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKAY, WE'LL CALL [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR RELIGIOU STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR, FOR ALL. AND NOW JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM CLERK, [2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART] WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN. HERE. COUNCILOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FURMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. THANK YOU. AND, UH, FOR THOSE THAT, UH, ARE NORMALLY HERE, UH, YOU'LL KNOW OUR STAFF, BUT WE NOW HAVE A NEW STAFF MEMBER AND I'M VERY, VERY PROUD TO INTRODUCE ANNETTE SPEC PIC ART. I'M SORRY, AS A CITY MANAGER, UH, FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA AS OF THIS PAST MONDAY. SO, UH, MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE, UH, NANCY LA TANZI. THERE YOU ARE FOR A MOMENT OF ART. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. AND WELCOME ANNETTE. YOU MISSED IT BY A MONTH. LAST MONTH WAS FIBER ARTS AND I SAW YOU, I WATCHED IT ONLINE. OH, GOOD. OKAY. SO YOU'RE AHEAD OF IT. SO, UM, APRIL IS NATIONAL POETRY MONTH, AND I HAVE INVITED TWO POETS TO RECITE FOR US TODAY. POETRY IS AN ANCIENT ART FORM OF SELF-EXPRESSION AND SELF-REFLECTION, ENCAPSULATING EMOTIONS THAT EVERYDAY LANGUAGE MAY FAIL TO CONVEY IN OUR FAST-PACED TECHNOLOGICAL WORLD. POETRY SLOWS US DOWN, MAKES US PAY ATTENTION AND RECLAIM THE POWER OF WORDS. THROUGH POETRY, WE CAN EXPLORE OUR DEEPEST EMOTIONS FROM LOVE AND JOY TO GRIEF AND DESPAIR THROUGH METAPHOR. AS SIMILES AND SYMBOLISM, POETS CAPTURE AND ILLUMINATE EMOTIONS THAT ARE INTENSELY PERSONAL AND YET UNIVERSALLY UNDERSTOOD. ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, POETRY OUT LOUD IS A CONTEST FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT BEGINS WITH RECITING POEMS IN THEIR CLASSROOMS. THOSE RECOGNIZED ADVANCED TO THE SCHOOL-WIDE COMPETITIONS, AND THEN TO STATE CONTESTS. AND FINALLY, THERE'S A NATIONAL COMPETITION IN WASHINGTON DC WHERE STUDENTS CAN EARN UP TO $20,000. TWO, THIS IS REALLY SPECIAL. SO TWO, AND IT WAS IN THE PAPER. TWO OF OUR RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS MADE IT TO THE STATE FINAL, WHICH WAS MARCH 2ND AT NAU. FOR THE CRITERIA TO PERFORM AT THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL, STUDENTS MUST PREPARE THREE POEMS THAT ARE 25 LINES OR LESS, AND THAT ARE WRITTEN BEFORE THE 20TH CENTURY. CAROL GOLDSMITH, THEIR ENGLISH TEACHER, STATED THE POEMS THAT THEY PICK REFLECT WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY UNDERSTAND OR WANT TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT WHO AND WHAT THE WORLD IS TO THEM. ON FEBRUARY 17TH, SOPHOMORE RAYMOND PAPPAS COLLINS CAME IN FIRST PLACE AT THE NORTHERN ARIZONA REGIONAL AND THEN COMPETED AT THE STATE FINAL. ON MARCH 2ND, HE RECITED SON, DAUGHTER, WHICH IS A POEM BY KAI CONRAD. AND IT'S ABOUT A FATHER'S LACK OF ACCEPTANCE OF HIS TRANS SON. HE WILL ALSO PERFORM LOVE ARMED BY AFRO BEN ABOUT HOW LOVE ISN'T ALWAYS RAINBOWS AND CAN HURT. RAYMOND IS A 15-YEAR-OLD BOY WHOSE HOBBIES INCLUDE ART AND PLAYING PIANO, DRUMS AND TENNIS. RAYMOND STATES. WHAT ORIGINALLY ASPIRED ME TO GO INTO POETRY OUT LOUD WAS THAT I NEEDED A PUSH TO HELP ME START TO OVERCOME MY SOCIAL ANXIETY AND STAGE FRIGHT. I AM DEFINITELY SURPRISED I MADE IT TO WHERE I DID, BUT I AM DEFINITELY GLAD BECAUSE I FOUND A LIKING WITH POETRY AND THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. THE SECOND POET IS SENIOR ALEXIS BORO, AND HE CAME IN SECOND PLACE AT NORTHERN ARIZONA REGIONAL. HE RECITED THE ARROW IN THE SONG BY HENRY WADSWORTH LONGFELLOW. AND THAT'S, UH, THE ARROW IS A METAPHOR FOR POETRY IN THAT POEM. AND ALEX DMITRI'S, 1969 AND THAT POEM DELVES INTO THE HISTORIC EVENTS OF THAT YEAR AND THE JUXTAPOSITION OF MAN LANDING ON THE MOON TO COME HOME IN PEACE, BUT THEY RETURN TO GO TO WAR. AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT YEAR THAT I THINK SOME OF US DO REMEMBER . ALEXIS BECAME INTERESTED IN THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE HE SAW IT AS A CHANCE TO PRACTICE PERFORMING ON STAGE IN HIS WORDS. AS A MUSICIAN WITH PLANS TO PERFORM IN FRONT OF AN AUDIENCE, I TOOK THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TEST MY ABILITIES IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC. LEARNING AND RECITING A POEM IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM LEARNING AND SINGING A SONG. SO I SAW THAT RELATIONSHIP AND USED IT AS PRACTICE. THE ENCOURAGEMENT FROM MY TEACHERS, CLASSMATES AND FAMILY WAS ALSO A HUGE FACTOR, AND THAT MOTIVATED ME TO [00:05:01] CONTINUE. IT'S ALSO FASCINATING HOW BY RECITING THE POEMS, YOU CAN ALMOST SEE YOURSELF AS THEIR AUTHOR, WHICH MEANS, FOR ME, IT WAS EASY TO EMPATHIZE WITH THEIR FEELINGS, WHICH AIDS IN UNDERSTANDING THE TOPICS. SO PLEASE WELCOME FIRST RAYMOND PAPPAS COLUMNS, WHO WILL RECITE SON, DAUGHTER, AND LOVE ARMS. AND THEN ALEXIS BORO WILL RECITE THE ARROW ON THE SONG IN 1969, SON SLASH DAUGHTER BY KAI TI IN A DREAM, MY DAD FELL FROM THE TOP OF A STEEP WHITE MOUNTAIN DOWN INTO A BLUE CVAS, LIKE THE SPACE BETWEEN TWO WAVES WHERE THE LIGHT SHINES THROUGH. JUST ENOUGH TO TELL YOU, YOU WILL MISS THIS LIFE DEARLY. THE FALLING TOOK YEARS. I COULD HEAR HIM MOVING THROUGH THE AIR AND FINALLY NOTHING IN ANOTHER DREAM. MY DAD WAS AN ANGEL. HIS SEE-THROUGH BODY DANGLING IN THE AIR FLOATING ABOVE ME. FISH TIMMERY LIKE TINFOIL. AND I CRIED AND CRIED WHEN HE TOLD ME, I CAN'T COME BACK TO EARTH. NOW, NOT EVER. WHEN MY DAD TOLD ME HE'LL ALWAYS BE MY DAUGHTER. MAYBE IT WAS LIKE THAT. WILL I BE ALLOWED TO COME BACK TO EARTH AND BE YOUR SON? LOVE? ARMED BY AFRO BEN SONG FROM AP LEISURE, LOVE IN FANTASTIC TRIUMPH SAT WHILST BLEEDING HEARTS AROUND HIM FLOWED FOR WHOM FRESH PAINS HE DID CREATE. IN STRANGE TYRA POWER, HE SHOWED FROM TH BRIGHT EYES, HE TOOK HIS FIRE, WHICH ROUNDABOUT IN SPORT HE HURLED, WHICH WAS FROM MINE. HE TOOK DESIRE ENOUGH TO UNDO THE AMOROUS WORLD FROM ME. HE TOOK HIS SI AND TEARS FROM ME, HIS PRIDE AND CRUELTY FROM ME, HIS LANGU AND FEARS IN EVERY KILLING DART FROM THE THUS THOU AND I, THE GOD HAVE ARMED AND SET HIM UP WITH DEITY. BUT MY POOR HEART ALONE IS HARMED WHILE SPYING THE VICTOR IS AND FREE THE ARROW ON THE SONG BY HENRY WADSWORTH LONGFELLOW, I SHOWED AN ARROW INTO THE AIR, IT FELL TO EARTH. I KNEW NOT WHERE. FOR SO SWIFTLY IT FLEW. THE SITE COULD NOT FOLLOW IN ITS FLIGHT, I BREATHED THE SONG INTO THE AIR, IT FELL TO EARTH. I KNEW NOT WHERE FOR WHO HAS A SIGHT SO KEEN AND STRONG THAT IT CAN FOLLOW THE FLIGHT OF A SONG. LONG, LONG, A WORD IN AN OAK, I FOUND THE ARROW STILL UNBROKE. AND THE SONG FROM BEGINNING TO END, I FOUND AGAIN IN THE HEART OF A FRIEND. MM-HMM, 1969 BY ALEX SYMR, THE SUMMER EVERYONE LEFT FOR THE MOON, EVEN THOUGH YET TO BE BORN AND THE DEAD WHO CAME VACATION HERE, BUT MADE US SOLD THERE BY THE VEIL BETWEEN WORLDS. THE NUMBER ONE SONG IN AMERICA WAS IN THE YEAR 25. 25. BECAUSE WHO HAS EVER LIVED IN THE PRESENT WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH OF A FUTURE TO CONTINUE WITHOUT US? HOW THE BEST LOVER WON'T NEED TO FORGIVE YOU AND SURELY TAKE EVERYTHING OFF YOUR HANDS WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK, WITHOUT KNOWING YOUR NAME. NO MATTER THE NUMBER OF TIMES YOU MARRIED OR DIDN'T YOUR FAVORITE MIDNIGHT MOVIE, THE CIGARETTES, YOU COULDN'T GIVE UP WHEN TO KISS OR PEOPLE YOU SHOULDN'T. AND NOW TO FOREVER BE KISSED BY THE EARTH, IN THE EARTH WITH THE EARTH, WHEN WE ALL BRUTALLY LEFT IT TO LOOK BACK ON EACH OTHER FROM ABOVE, SHOCKED BY HOW BRIGHT EVEN OUR PAIN IS RUNNING WIDELY BESIDE US, LIKE AN UNDERGROUND RIVER. AND WHATEVER LANGUAGE IS GOOD FOR A SIGN. A MESSAGE LEFT UP THERE THAT READS, HEAR MEN FROM PLANET EARTH. FIRST SET FOOD UPON THE MOON. JULY, 1969, 80, WE CAME IN PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND. THEN THEY RETURNED TO CONTINUE THE WAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST ONE LAST ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THOSE INTERESTED. THERE IS A SEDONA POETRY SLAM SATURDAY, THIS APRIL 13TH AT SEVEN 30 AT MARY FISHER. IT'S A [00:10:01] FREE EVENT THANKS TO FUNDING FROM THE NORTHERN ARIZONA BOOK FESTIVAL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT WAS REALLY VERY SPECIAL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON WITH OUR [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE ] ITEM THREE CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE STAFF OR, UH, COUNSEL OR, UH, THE PUBLIC CAN PULL ANY OF THESE ITEMS. A THROUGH I. ANYBODY HAVE INTEREST? NO. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? THEN I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM THREE A THROUGH A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE NONE. SUMMARY OF CURRENT [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] EVENTS, VICE MAYOR. WELL, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC MEETING ON EVACUATION PLAN FOR SEDONA KNOW YOUR ZONE WILL BE, UM, NEXT BE HELD NEXT MONDAY, APRIL 15TH AT 4:00 PM AT THE HUB OF POSSE GROUNDS. I ATTENDED THE LAST ONE. IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED, AND ALL THE PEOPLE WERE VERY, UH, EXPRESSED THEIR, UH, COMPLETE AMAZEMENT THAT WE HAD DONE THIS. THEIR THANKS TO THE CHIEF, THE DEPARTMENT, THE COUNTY SHERIFFS FROM BOTH COUNTIES AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGERS. I THINK YOU'LL GET A LOT OUT OF IT IF YOU CAN ATTEND AND YOU'LL KNOW YOUR ZONE WHEN YOU LEAVE. THAT WAY, IF WE EVER HAVE TO BE EVACUATED, YOU'LL KNOW WHEN IT'S TIME TO GO. SO FOUR O'CLOCK MONDAY AT THE HUB, AT POSSE ROUNDS. OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. OKAY. [6. PUBLIC FORUM] ITEM SIX, PUBLIC FORUM. WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC FORUM. ARE THERE ANY CARDS? MADAM CLERK? OKAY. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO SPEAK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE CURRENT, UH, AGENDA. SO, UH, MR. MARTINEZ, ARE YOU HERE? JOHN, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. DO YOU KNOW THE DRILL? WE HAVE ALL THESE FANCY NEW CLOCKS HERE FOR YOU TO KEEP. OH, YEAH. KEEP YOU ON CLOSE. UH, TIES. YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, SIR . GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MADAM VICE MAYOR. COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINEZ AND I STILL LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. UM, COMING BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE, THE GRANT THAT YOU GAVE US, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WERE REGARDING, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH BRINGING, UH, THE, THE RENOWNED FLUTIST FROM AMERICAN INDIANS. UH, NAKA CARLOS, AKA HE'S WELL KNOWN, AND HE WILL BE PERFORMING WITH THE SEDONA SYMPHONY APRIL THE 27TH. TICKETS ARE STILL AVAILABLE GOING FAST, BUT HE, LIKE I SAID, HE IS WELL, WELL RENOWNED. AND I WANT TO BRING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HE TALKS ABOUT. MR. CARLOS NAKA, THE PREMIER NATIVE AMERICAN FLUTIST, BRINGS A UNIQUE ARTISTRY TO THE PERFORMANCE IN THE SYMPHONIC AND CHAMBER MUSIC TRADITION. HIS MELTING OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN FLUTE WITH A LIMITED NUMBER OF NOTES AND WELL-KNOWN TEMPERED SCALE WITH EUROPEAN CLASSICAL MUSIC REQUIRES AN ART, AN ARTISTRY THAT UNDERSTANDS TWO DESPERATE MUSICAL TRADITIONS, WHILE MASTERING THE TECHNICAL DEMANDS OF BOTH. NAKA SERVES AN EFFECTIVE AMBASSADOR IN REACHING NEW CONCERT AUDIENCES CONSISTENTLY DRAWING CAPACITY OR NEAR CAPACITY HOUSES BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESSFUL CAREER AND OTHER GENRES OF MUSIC. AKA A 10 TIME GRAMMY NOMINEE HAS MANY FANS FOLLOWING HIM INTO THE CONCERT HALL, INCLUDING NATIVE AMERICANS WHO ARE OFTEN FIRST TIME CONCERT GOERS. AKA'S ARTISTIC ASPIRATIONS HAVE ALWAYS INCLUDED MUSICAL CLASSICAL PERFORMANCES. THE DESIRE SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL WITHIN THE NATIVE AMERICAN COMMUNITY HAS BORN OF AKA'S EDUCATION, MUSIC THEORY, AND TRUMPET PERFORMANCE. HIS TRUMPET PLANE ENDED WITH HIS, WHEN HIS WAS PERMANENTLY DAMAGED IN A CAR ACCIDENT IN EARLY 1980S, HE BEGAN PLAYING THE TRADITIONAL FLUTE AND A NEW CAREER WAS BORN. ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE PLAYED AN INSTRUMENT PARTICULARLY LIKE A WOODWIND, KNOWS ALL ABOUT THAT ATURE. AND ALSO WITH THE TRUMPET, SPECIFICALLY UNIQUE, A UNIQUE PERFORMER, A CRI, [00:15:01] A CULTURAL AMBASSADOR, EDUCATOR, AND LECTURER WITH AN ION CLASSIC VIEW. R CARLOS NAKA SUCCESSFULLY BRIDGES THE DISTANCE BETWEEN MUSICAL TRADITIONS OF NATIVE AMERICAN AND CLASSICAL MUSIC. HE WILL BE AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, UH, AS I SAID, APRIL THE 27TH, ALONG WITH THE SEDONA SYMPHONY. IT'S GONNA BE AN OUTSTANDING THING. LIKE I SAID, TICKETS ARE GOING FAST, SO PLEASE, IT WAS THE GRANT THAT YOU PRESENTED, THE SYMPHONY. PLEASE BE THERE TO REPRESENT OR WHAT YOU GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOHN. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. WE HAVE TWO. ROXANNA, ARE YOU HERE, ROXANNA? SHE'S NOT HERE YET. SHE'S NOT HERE YET. OKAY. SOMEONE'S HAND. OKAY, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, PROCLAMATION [7.b. Proclamation, Fair Housing Month, April 2024.] FOR FAIR HOUSING MONTH APRIL, 2024. WHEREAS THE FAIR HOUSING ACT ENACTED IN APRIL 11TH, 1968 ENSHRINED INTO FEDERAL LAW THE GOAL OF ELIMINATING RACIAL SEGREGATION AND ENDING HOUSING DISCRIMINATION IN THE UNITED STATES. EXCUSE ME. AND WHEREAS THE FAIR HOUSING ACT PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION IN HOUSING BASED ON RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, FA UH, FA, FAMILIAL, OH, THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD STATUS, NATIONAL ORIGIN AND DISABILITY AND, UH, UH, COMMITS RECIPIENTS OF FEDERAL FUNDING TO AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHER FAIR HOUSING IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA IS COMMITTED TO THE MISSION AND INTENT OF CONGRESS TO PROVIDE FAIR AND EQUAL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES TO ALL. AND WHEREAS OUR SOCIAL FABRIC AND, UH, ECONOMY, HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENT ARE STRENGTHENED IN DIVERSE INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS IN HONOR OF FAIR HOUSING MONTH, WE PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION TO THE NORTHERN ARIZONA INTERFAITH COUNCIL FOR THEIR WORK PROMOTING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, CIVIC LEADERSHIP, INCLUS INCLUSIVITY, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. AND HOUSING EQUITY IN SEDONA. NOW, THEREFORE, I, SCOTT BLO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SERONA CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF APRIL, 2024 AS FAIR HOUSING MONTH IN SEDONA AS AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY COMMITTED TO FAIR HOUSING AND TO PROMOTE INTO PROMOTING APPROPRIATE ACTIVITIES BY PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ENTITIES TO PROVIDE AND ADVOCATE, ADVOCATE FOR EQUAL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND PROSPECTIVE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA ISSUED THIS NINTH DAY OF APRIL, 2024. ROXANNA [7.a. Proclamation, Stand With Me, Be Drug Free , April 15-20, 2024] STILL HASN'T COME IN. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS FOR HER. GIVE THIS TO THE CLERK. OKAY. KELLY LEE FOR MATT FORCE. GEE, OKAY. YES. COME. SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT I REPRESENT HER. THAT'S FINE. PLEASE JUST COME UP AND I'LL READ THIS AND THEN I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO PRESENT IT TO YOU. THANK YOU. SURE. WHEREAS MAT FORCE HAS PROCLAIMED APRIL 15TH TO THE 20TH OF 2024 TO BE STAND BY ME, BE DRUG FREE WEEK. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA EMBRACES A VISION OF HEALTHY, VIBRANT, STRONG COMMUNITY FOR CHILDREN, YOUTH, FAMILIES, PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND CELEBRATES THE FACT THAT A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO NOT ABUSE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL. WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA RECOGNIZES THAT YOUTH PREVENTION AND ESSENTIAL BA ESSENTIAL BASED ON THE FACT THAT NINE OF 10 PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDERS BEGIN USING SUBSTANCE AS A TEENAGER. WHEREAS KNOWING THAT FAMILIES ARE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY ILLEGAL DRUG USE, INCLUDING WORK PROBLEMS, LEGAL PROBLEMS, MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, PHYSICAL ILLNESS, ADDICTION, UH, ACCIDENTS, ACCIDENTAL DEATH, ECONOMIC LOSS, CHILD ABUSE, AND DESTRUCTION OF FAMILIES DRIVING WHILE IMPAIRED AND CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS AND PROPERTY. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA WOULD LIKE TO, UH, COMMEND AND PAY TRIBUTE TO ALL OF ITS CITIZENS WHO CHOSE TO BE FREE OF ILLEGAL DRUG USE. NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT BLO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, ON BEHALF OF, OF THE CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF APRIL 15TH THROUGH THE 20TH, 2024 TO BE STAND BY ME, BE DRUG FREE WEEK AND ENCOURAGES ITS CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN CELEBRATION OF [00:20:01] DRUG-FREE, HEALTHY COMMUNITY, AND PARTIC BY PARTICIPATING IN A PLANNED EVENT ACTIVITIES AND DISPLAYS ISSUED THIS NINTH DAY APRIL, 2024. YES. EXCUSE ME, PLEASE. YES, I WOULD. COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME SO WE HAVE IT ON THE RECORD AS SUSAN? OKAY. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, BUT YEAH. YOU NEED, MY NAME IS DEL TERRY AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL FOR THIS PROCLAMATION. UH, I ALSO WANNA APOLOGIZE FOR MY DARK SUNGLASSES, BUT I JUST HAD, UH, CATARACT SURGERY AND SO I HAVE TO WEAR THEM, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO BE COOL. . OKAY. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU, I AM CHAIRMAN OF THE GREATER SEDONA SUBSTANCE ABUSE COALITION, UH, HERE IN SEDONA. AND WE TRY SO HARD TO, UH, KEEP OUR YOUTH AWAY FROM DRUGS AND NOW VAPING. AND WE HAVE TO START IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. WE HAVE COLORING BOOKS THAT WE TAKE TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THAT SAY, UM, WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOUR BODY? WHAT IS BAD FOR YOUR BODY? AND DIFFERENT PICTURES TO TO COLOR. UM, I HAVE THREATENED TO QUIT, UH, BEING THE CHAIRMAN SEVERAL TIMES, AND THEN BECAUSE I GET, UH, SO DISAPPOINTED WITH ALL THE DRUG USE. BUT THEN I THINK IF WE CAN SAVE THREE OR FOUR KIDS, WE HAVE WON. SO, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU. AND WE HOPE THAT WE WILL SEE SOME OF YOU WITH YOUR CHILDREN OUT AT MARPER, UM, FARM, AND WE WALK FOR A MILE AND, AND THE KIDS HAVE ACTIVITIES AND IT'S FREE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. OKAY. BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE REGULAR BUSINESS, I JUST WANT LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, UH, UNLESS YOU'RE JULIE, RICHARD, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, WHO'S UP FIRST? THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LENGTHY MEETING. WE HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. EVERYTHING WILL BE HEARD IN ACCORDING TO THE, UH, PACKET. UH, AND WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH ASKING QUESTIONS OF E FOR EACH PERSON. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE TAKING, UH, COMMENT CARDS FOR EACH ITEM, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LENGTHY MEETING. SO I JUST WANNA LET PEOPLE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, WE DO HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. SO BEAR WITH US, UH, PLEASE. WE, WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE HEARD FOR WHATEVER SPECIFIC ITEM YOU WISH TO ADDRESS US ON AS WELL. OKAY. ITEM, [8.a. AB 3043 Presentation/discussion from Julie Richardson, Chief Executive Officer of the Sedona Arts Center, to report to the City Council on the economic and social impacts of the non-profit arts and culture industry on Sedona. ] UH, EIGHT, A AB 30 43 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION FROM JULIE RICHARD, EXEC, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE SEDONA ART CENTER TO REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL IMPACTS OF THE NONPROFIT ARTS AND, UH, CULTURE INDUSTRY IN SEDONA. DO YOU CARE? SEE WHAT IT DOES. THERE WE GO. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. HI, JULIE, OR AFTERNOON, UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JULIE RICHARD, AND I'M THE CEO OF SEDONA ART CENTER. UM, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, LETTING ME DO THIS TODAY. I WANNA, UH, ALSO SAY THAT THE PRESENTATION AND THE DATA IN THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, CREATED BY AMERICANS FOR THE ARTS, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT RUNS THIS STUDY. THE ARTS CENTER MANAGED IT ON BEHALF OF AMERICANS FOR THE ARTS, FOR THE, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE NON-PROFIT ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN SEDONA. THIS PRESENTATION WAS CREATED MOSTLY, UM, BY RANDY COHEN, WHO IS THE VP OF RESEARCH FOR AMERICANS FOR THE ARTS. SO I WILL TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS BEST I CAN, BY THE END. UM, BUT I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU THAT, UH, AS AN FYI. SO I WANNA JUST KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND HERE. UM, I'VE BEEN THE CEO AT SEDONA ARTS CENTER FOR THREE YEARS. PRIOR TO THAT, I RAN THE MAIN ARTS COMMISSION, WHICH IS A STATE [00:25:01] ARTS AGENCY, A GOVERNMENT AGENCY. UM, I'VE RUN THE WEST VALLEY ARTS COUNCIL DOWN IN PHOENIX AND MANY OTHER, UH, OR SEVERAL OTHER, NOT MANY OTHER, BUT SEVERAL OTHER ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY. UM, I'VE DONE TONS OF CULTURAL AND STRATEGIC PLANNING ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS, A LOT OF PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT, ARTS EDUCATION, AND I'VE SAT ON SEVERAL NATIONAL AND STATE BOARDS. WHY THE ARTS CENTER TO RUN THIS STUDY? WELL, THIS IS WAS MY FOURTH ARTS AND ECON, UH, ARTS AND ECONOMIC PROSPERITY STUDY. UM, I'VE DONE THESE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND ON BEHALF OF THE STATE OF MAINE AS WELL. AND WE OBTAINED, UH, FUNDING FROM THE CHAMBER THROUGH THE CITY TO DO THIS, UM, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. SO I KNEW THE DATA WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE OF SEDONA AND CULTURAL TOURISM HERE IN A SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE ART CENTER. AND JUST IT, I FELT LIKE IT WAS A ROLE THAT WE SHOULD PLAY IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, OKAY. GOTTA JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING LIKE I SHOULD. UM, I FIRST JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, THE ARTS AND CULTURE, THE MEMBERS OF THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT. UM, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE SPEAKING AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM COMING AND, UM, AND JUST SUPPORTING THIS DATA 'CAUSE THEY DID A LOT OF THE WORK. SO, UM, TO BEGIN WITH, THERE WERE 373 STUDY REGIONS IN THIS, IN THIS NATIONAL STUDY. SEDONA WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE 373, UM, REGIONS. AND THE LITTLE RED DOT THAT'S THERE IS, UH, IS SEDONA. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE REGIONS ARE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THEY LITERALLY ARE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO WE WERE JUST ONE OF THOSE 373 REGIONS. THIS IS THE SIXTH STUDY, HENCE A EP SIX OR ARTS AND ECONOMIC PROSPERITY SIX, THE SIXTH STUDY THAT AMERICANS FOR THE ARTS HAS CONDUCTED OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS. SO IT'S BEEN A LONGITUDINAL STUDY. UM, AND SO THEY'VE COLLECTED LONGITUDINAL DATA ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT SEDONA HAS PARTICIPATED, EVEN THOUGH THE STATE OF ARIZONA HAS PARTICIPATED IN SEVERAL COMMUNITIES IN ARIZONA HAVE PARTICIPATED. THERE WE GO. UM, SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA CAN BOAST THAT WE HAVE $13.5 MILLION IN SPENDING ON BEHALF OF THE NON-PROFIT, ARTS AND CULTURE SECTOR IN SEDONA. BUT THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS TO THIS, UM, TO THIS STUDY. THE FIRST IS ORGANIZATIONS. UM, SO JUST THE ORGANIZATIONAL DATA THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THIS. AND THEY PULLED THAT, UM, AMERICANS FOR THE ARTS PULLED THAT FROM DATA ARTS, WHICH IS, UH, A FORM ESSENTIALLY THAT THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS IN THE STATE HAVE TO FILL OUT IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR A GRANT FROM THE ARIZONA COMMISSION ON THE ARTS. AND, UM, IF THEY DID NOT, IF THEY DON'T APPLY FOR GRANTS, 'CAUSE SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THIS ARE VERY SMALL, THEN THEY FILLED OUT A VERY SMALL, UM, QUESTIONNAIRE TO GET THEIR DATA INTO THE STUDY. THE OTHER HALF OF THIS, UM, IS AUDIENCES AUDIENCE SPENDING, AND THAT REPRESENTS 7.6 MILLION OF THE 13 POINT HALF MILLION IN TOTAL ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT WOULD CONSISTED OF DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED THROUGH AUDIENCE SURVEYS. SO THOSE TWO COMPONENTS, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO, OKAY. UM, OVERALL, 230 JOBS WERE CREATED OR ARE CREATED ON BEHALF OF THE NONPROFIT ARTS AND CULTURE INDUSTRY THAT REPRESENTS FULL-TIME, PART-TIME, AND SEASONAL EMPLOYMENT BY THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND GOVERNMENT REVENUE. SO THIS REPRESENTS INCOME THAT THE CITY, THE STATE, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COLLECT ON BEHALF OF THE NONPROFIT ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATION. SO THAT'S INCOME TAX, SALES TAX, PROPERTY TAX FUNDS THAT THE CITY COLLECTS FROM LICENSES AND FEES AND SUCH, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT IS ALSO, UM, REPRESENTS BOTH THE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS THE AUDIENCES WHO TRAVEL HERE. SO ATTENDEES, THIS IS ON AVERAGE IN ALL OF THE ATTENDEES, AND THIS IS BASED SOLELY ON THE AUDIENCE SURVEYS THAT WERE COLLECTED. UM, THEY SPENT $89 AND 23 CENTS PER PERSON PER EVENT. AND THAT'S AN AVERAGE ACROSS ALL OF THE SURVEYS THAT WERE COLLECTED. AND THE DOLLAR, THE BOTTOM LINE DOLLAR DATA, UM, [00:30:01] THIS, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF ADMISSION TO THE EVENT. SO WHEN THE ORGANIZATIONS FILLED OUT THEIR, THEIR SURVEYS ADMISSION THAT THEY COLLECTED ACTUALLY WENT ON THEIR SURVEY. SO THERE'S NO DOUBLE DIPPING IN THIS, IN THIS DATA. UM, THIS REPRESENTS THE ANCILLARY DATA. SO, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY THAT I LIVE IN BOSTON AND I'M GONNA COME HERE TO TAKE A WATERCOLOR CLASS. SO I SIGN UP FOR THAT CLASS, I BUY AN AIRPLANE TICKET, I STAY IN A HOTEL FOR FOUR NIGHTS. I MIGHT HAVE BOUGHT A COUPLE OF NEW OUTFITS TO WEAR WHILE I'M IN THAT CLASS. UM, UH, THE SUPPLIES AND THE GROCERIES THAT I MIGHT BUY AT WHOLE FOODS TO MUNCH ON WHILE I'M IN CLASS. UM, ANYTHING, UH, THE UBER THAT I TOOK FROM, UH, THE HOTEL OR FROM THE AIRPORT TO HERE, FROM FLAGSTAFF TO HERE, UM, ANY FOOD AND DRINK AT ANY RESTAURANTS, THAT IS THE ANCILLARY MONEY, THAT IS THE DATA THAT'S COLLECTED ON THESE SURVEYS. AND WE COLLECTED, UM, A TOTAL OF 509 SURVEYS OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. LET'S SEE. DO YOU GO ALONG? WHY DON'T WE, YOU COULD, WOULD THAT BE OKAY, JULIE? YEAH, THAT'D BE FINE. DO YOU HAVE MUCH MORE OF THE PRESENTATION? UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S LIKE 10 MORE SLIDES. OKAY. THEN WHY DON'T WE GIVE, TAKE QUESTIONS NOW IF YOU FEEL UP TO IT. WHAT DOES THE 2360 AND LODGING REPRESENT? SO THAT'S AN AVERAGE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, AN AVERAGE OF WHAT? AN SO, SO THERE'S A, SO WHEN WE COLLECTED THE SURVEYS, WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY TOTALED UP ALL OF THE DOLLARS AND THEN THEY AVERAGED IT OVER ALL OF THE SURVEYS THAT WERE COLLECTED. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT A, THAT, UH, APPARENTLY A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T, DIDN'T STAY IN LODGING. THEY EITHER WERE WITH FRIENDS OR DO DO WE KNOW, DOES THAT WELL, NEVERMIND, ACTUALLY THEY DO, THEY DO STAY IN LODGING, BUT THAT'S AN AVERAGE. SO THERE WERE 500, 509 SURVEYS OKAY. THAT WERE COLLECTED. BUT SOME OF THOSE WERE, YOU'LL, WE'LL GET TO IT, WE'LL GET TO IT. JUST HOLD . AND IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT THAT POINT, I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT FURTHER. UM, JUST ONE OTHER POINT ON THIS IS THAT, SO WE, OUR ATTENDEES OVERALL LOCAL AND TOURISTS. SO LOCALS AND TOURISTS BOTH, UM, ON AVERAGE SPENT AN 80 $89 AND 23 CENTS PER PERSON PER EVENT. THE NATIONAL AVERAGE ON THIS STUDY WAS $38 AND 46 CENTS. SO WE SPEND, OUR ATTENDEES SPEND TWICE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AND, UM, IT INCLUDES, LIKE I SAID, LOCAL AND NON-LOCAL TOURISTS. S SO ATTENDEES BY LOCALS WAS 60% ATTENDEES BY NON-LOCALS WAS 40%. AND THIS IS 10%. NON, NON-LOCAL ATTENDEES WAS ACTUALLY 10% HIGHER IN OUR STUDY THAN IT WAS IN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AND FOR PURPOSES OF THIS STUDY, NON-LOCALS MEANS EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF YAVAPI OR COCONINO COUNTY. OKAY. SO BOTH YAVAPAI AND COCONINO COUNTY. SO THIS IS AN INTERESTING SLIDE. SO OUR LOCALS ON AVERAGE SPENT $41 AND 55 CENTS PER EVENT. OUR NON-LOCALS SPENT ON AVERAGE $159 AND 91 CENTS, WHICH IS WAY, WAY, WAY MORE THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. FROM THIS STUDY. THEY SPENT AN AVERAGE OF $60 AND 57 CENTS. SO 159 VERSUS 60. SO OUR CULTURAL TOURIST SPEND ALMOST THREE TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AND IN ADDITION, I WAS ABLE TO GET WHERE WE RANKED NATIONALLY, AND WE ACTUALLY RANKED SECOND IN ALL OF THE 373 STUDY REGIONS ON WHAT OUR CULTURAL TOURISTS SPEND ON AVERAGE WHEN THEY COME HERE. WHO WAS NUMBER ONE? YOU WOULD ASK THAT I SOMEPLACE IN FLORIDA. OKAY. SOMEPLACE IN FLORIDA. AND, UM, SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, ALMOST 50% OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE SAY THEY TRAVEL HERE BECAUSE IT'S THE PRIMARY PURPOSE FOR COMING TO SEDONA. SO THAT'S ANOTHER REALLY INTERESTING FACT. IN ADDITION, UM, THIS STUDY ALSO COLLECTED INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, THEY ASK PEOPLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY SOCIAL IMPACT RESPONSES BY THE ATTENDEES THAT CAME TO THESE EVENTS. SO, UM, THIS VENUE OR [00:35:01] FACILITY IS AN IMPORTANT PILLAR FOR ME. WITHIN MY COM COMMUNITY. 80% OF THE PEOPLE FELT THAT, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I WOULD FEEL A GREAT SENSE OF LOSS IF THIS ACTIVITY OR OR VENUE WAS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. 85% STATED THAT THIS ACTIVITY OR VENUE IS INSPIRING A SENSE OF PRIDE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY. 88% SAID THAT, AND MY ATTENDANCE IS MY WAY OF ENSURING THAT THIS ACTIVITY OR VENUE IS PRESERVED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. AND 86% OF THE ATTENDEES SAID THAT IN ADDITION, THEY ALSO COLLECTED INFORMATION ON VOLUNTEER HOURS. AND THIS IS ALSO PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. UM, WE HAD ON AVERAGE OVER 597 VOLUNTEERS OVER 31,000 HOURS WITH A TOTAL VALUE OF $941,000, UM, IN VOLUNTEER HOURS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS, WHICH I IS PROBABLY NOT, UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE REALLY SUPER SURPRISED ABOUT. 'CAUSE OUR SEDONA IS VERY VOLUNTEER DRIVEN. UM, ALSO THIS STUDY IS ENDORSED, UM, AND HAS BEEN ENDORSED NATIONALLY BY MANY NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES CONFERENCE ON MAYORS IN THE INDEPENDENT SECTOR AND THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND MANY MORE. THIS IS THE KIND OF THE ALPHABET SOUP LOGO, UM, SLIDE THAT, THAT REPRESENTS ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ENDORSE ALL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ENDORSE THE STUDY. AND IN ADDITION, UM, THEY ALSO DISCOVERED THAT 86% SAY ARTS AND CULTURE IS IMPORTANT TO THEIR COMMUNITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE AND LIVABILITY. AND 79% BELIEVE ARTS AND CULTURE IS IMPORTANT TO THEIR COMMUNITIES', BUSINESSES, ECONOMY, AND LOCAL JOBS. AND THIS IS BRAND NEW, UM, DATA THAT JUST CAME OUT AT IN MARCH. SO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC ANALYSIS ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, UM, STARTED AN ARTS AND CULTURE SATELLITE ACCOUNT. UH, I, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN, BUT I THINK IT WAS AROUND 2012, 2013. SO THEY'VE BEEN COLLECTING DATA, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE ARTS IN A WAY TO QUANTIFY ARTS AND CULTURE'S IMPACT ON THE GDP IN GENERAL. AND, UM, THIS SPECIFIC, THIS SPECIFIC DATA INCLUDES FOR-PROFIT AS WELL AS NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. SO FOR-PROFIT ARTS SUCH AS DESIGNERS, ARCHITECTS, MUSIC VENUES, UM, STADIUMS AND MORE. BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS. BUT WHAT WE FOUND OVER THE YEARS IS THAT INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS QUITE OFTEN ARE OVERLOOKED IN THESE STUDIES BECAUSE MANY OF THEM DON'T FILL OUT SCHEDULE CS, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY GET THIS DATA FROM. SO, UM, THE BIG PICTURE IS THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY MANY, MANY ARTISTS THAT, UM, ARE PART OF THIS DATA, BUT OVERALL, $14.2 BILLION OR 3% OF THE GROSS STATE PRODUCT AND 84,479 JOBS ARE PART OF THE ARTS AND ARTS AND CULTURE CREATIVE ECONOMY IN ARIZONA, WHICH IS BIGGER THAN THE UTILITIES, EDUCATION AND AGRICULTURE. SO, UM, THIS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND HOT OFF THE PRESS. IN ADDITION, UM, ARTS, THE ARTS BUILD EMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING, 72% AGREE THAT THE ARTS AND CULTURE PROVIDES SHARED EXPERIENCES WITH PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT RACES AND PROMOTE UNDERSTANDING 63% SAY THE ARTS AND CULTURE, HELP THEM BETTER UNDERSTAND OTHER CULTURES IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND THIS WAS A QUOTE THAT I TOOK OUT OF THE LARGE, UM, THE LARGE, UH, UM, STUDY RESULTS OVERALL. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE COMPLETE, UM, STUDY THAT, UH, AND RESULTS. AND I JUST BASICALLY GAVE YOU ALL THE, THE ONE PAGER THAT IS THE SNAPSHOT, BUT IF YOU WANT THIS, I CAN EMAIL THIS TO YOU AS WELL, BUT IT'S, THEY, UM, THIS SAYS, INVESTMENT IN THE NONPROFIT ARTS AND CULTURE INDUSTRY BUILDS THE COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE WANNA LIVE AND WORK. IT'S WHERE ENTREPRENEURS AND CREATIVE ECONOMY BUSINESSES ARE LAUNCHED AND WHERE NIGHTTIME ECONOMIES FLOURISH, WHEN WE PRIORITIZE DIVERSE CULTURAL EXPRESSIONS AND TRADITIONS, IT NURTURES SOCIAL CONNECTIONS, PROMOTES COMMUNITY PRIDE AND IDENTITY, AND BOOSTS TOURISM BY PROVIDING THE AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCES THAT DRAW VISITORS TO THE COMMUNITY. IF VISITORS HAVE A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE, IT MAY BECOME A PLACE TO WORK AND ULTIMATE, ULTIMATELY ONE IN WHICH TO LIVE, WHICH WE FOUND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHERE PEOPLE VISIT AND THEN THEY COME AND WANNA LIVE HERE. SO CREATING LIVABLE COMMUNITIES IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO FOR, FOR FY 25, WE'RE REQUESTING AN, UH, REINVESTMENT INTO THE NONPROFIT ARTS AND CULTURE SECTOR IN SEDONA OF $550,000, WHICH REPRESENTS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, ESSENTIALLY THAT THE NONPROFIT ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS GIVE BACK TO THE CITY OF SEDONA, UM, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. [00:40:01] AND, UH, JUST A SMALL FRACTION OF THE TOTAL ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? WE HAVE, UH, A LOT OF CARDS FROM THE AUDIENCE. UH, KATHY, HAS THIS SURVEY BEEN DONE BEFORE? IS ARE THERE EARLIER NUMBERS TO COMPARE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS TO IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN SEDONA. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, BUT WE WILL BE DOING THIS GOING FORWARD. SO EVERY, THEY'LL, THEY CONDUCT THIS STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS. OKAY. AND, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS BASELINE DATA, RIGHT? IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE TRENDING, AND THIS IS THIS SUMMARY REASON THIS SLIDE GOT SKIPPED, AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW I'D MANAGE THAT. BUT, UM, THE, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT COLLECTED THE AUDIENCE SURVEYS ARE ON THE LEFT. AND, UM, THE ORGAN, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL SURVEY PORTION OF THIS ARE ON THE RIGHT. SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE THIS UP BECAUSE THIS IS THE ME OF THE STUDY. THANK YOU. OKAY. JULIE, BEFORE YOU GO AWAY, LET ME, UH, BRING UP SOME OF THE, UH, CARDS, UH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE. I, I GOT QUESTIONS. OH, PLEASE. I DO KNOW THIS SIDE. YOU HAD ANY, OKAY. THANK YOU. HI, JULIE. THANKS FOR COMING. UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO RECEIVE THE SURVEY AS WELL AS YOUR PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN WHAT'S IN THE, THE PACKET MATERIALS, SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UH, QUESTION FOR YOU AND, AND MAYBE FOR STAFF, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S STAFF THAT CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT YOUR 550 K ASK COMPARES TO WHAT CURRENTLY, LIKE WHAT'S IN OUR FY 24 BUDGET, IS THIS, UH, A COMPARISON? UH, IS THIS A COMPARISON WE CAN MAKE TO THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM WHERE WE'VE NOW DESIGNATED A PORTION OF THAT TO BE DEDICATED TO THE ARTS? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, ARE YOU ASKING FOR A WHOLE LOT MORE OR QUITE A BIT MORE? UM, RIGHT NOW WE, UH, WE ARE PART OF THE OVERALL GRANTS POOL, AND I THINK IT'S DIVIDED UP BETWEEN 25 OR 30 NONPROFITS. MM-HMM. IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, SO WHAT WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT WE WOULD BE SEPARATED OUT FROM THE REST OF THE NONPROFITS AND THAT THIS FUND BE DEDICATED SOLELY TO THE NONPROFIT ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY. OKAY. BUT WE DID WIND UP SAYING WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT, 40, 40, 20? YEAH. 40 FOR ARTS, 40 FOR NON-ARTS. AND THEN THE COMMITTEE HAS DISCRETION OVER THE FINAL 20. RIGHT. AND WE IN THREE 50 AND WE INCREASED TO THREE 50. SO IF IT WINDS UP BEING A 50 50 SPLIT, THEN ROUGHLY IT'S 175 GOING TO ARTS. SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE MORE, JUST A LITTLE MORE. OKAY. GOT IT. GOT IT. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TRYING TO SQUARE ALL OF THIS WITH IS OTHER DATA THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. MM-HMM. . SO TWO WEEKS AGO WE HAD THE, UH, TOURISM UPDATE FROM OUR BRAND CONSULTANTS WHO PROVIDED INPUT ABOUT HOW THE COMMUNITY AND VISITORS SEE THE ARTS AS IT RELATES TO THE TOURISM EXPERIENCE HERE. AND THE BIG SURPRISE WAS IT, IT SCORED VERY, VERY LOW. MM-HMM. , ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? NO. YEAH. UM, PROBABLY BECAUSE THIS IS VERY, THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO EXPERIENCE WHAT WE DO IS, UM, HUGE IMPACT FOR SMALL NUMBERS. SO WE VERY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY AMAZING ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO COME TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME OF THESE THINGS. MM-HMM. . SO I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE HERE IS THE OVERALL ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THE ARTS AND CULTURE NONPROFITS HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WAY MORE THAN THE AVERAGE TOURIST. THEY SPEND MORE MONEY AND THEY STAY LONGER. IT'S A, IT'S A COMMON, UM, DATA POINT THAT WE IN THE ARTS, UH, SPOUT FREQUENTLY BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. AND THEY, UM, THEY TEND TO EXPERIENCE MORE OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, UM, IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY COME FOR. MM-HMM. . AND OF THE 13 AND A HALF MILLION ECONOMIC IMPACT, UM, IS THAT AN EXTRAPOLATED NUMBER THEN FROM THE 509 SURVEYS? IT'S DIRECT. SO IT'S, IT'S THE ORGANIZATION, IT'S THE ORGANIZATION SURVEYS. MM-HMM. AS WELL AS THE AUDIENCE SURVEYS. SO IT'S BOTH THINGS. OKAY. SO THE FACT THAT WE EXIST HERE IS ALSO ECONOMIC IMPACT. SURE. AND THEN THE SURVEYS AND THE AUDIENCES WHO COME HERE EXCLUSIVELY FOR WHAT WE DO IS THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT. AND SO THE LITTLE WHITE SLIPS OF PAPER I GOT WHEN I WENT TO EMERSON THEATER COLLECTIVE, AND WHEN I WENT TO SF LIKE THAT'S ALL YOUR SURVEY? YES. OKAY. GOT IT. AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE I TRYING, THANK YOU FOR FILLING THOSE OUT, BY THE WAY, . EXACTLY. I MEAN, I FEEL BAD, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I'M A LOCAL, IT'S LIKE, UH, I SPENT [00:45:01] ZERO ON LODGING, ZERO ON THIS, ZERO ON THAT, BUT I'M HERE. UM, BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T A TOURIST. THAT'S TRUE. SO, SO THE LAST PIECE, AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO SQUARE WITH THINGS. UM, YESTERDAY WHILE WATCHING MY PURDUE BOILERMAKERS LOSE THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, I KNOW. AND BASKETBALL BAD TOO. I STARTED REVIEWING OUR FISCAL 25 BUDGET BOOK. MM-HMM. . AND LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY SURVEY ABOUT WHERE THEY WANT TO SEE MONEY SPENT OR NOT SPENT, IT WAS DON'T NEED TO SPEND ANYMORE ON THE ARTS, WAS BASICALLY MY TAKEAWAY FROM READING THAT SURVEY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THAT YET EITHER. I, NO, I HADN'T SEEN ALL OF IT. I'D HEARD SOME BITS AND PIECES OF IT, BUT MM-HMM. , I JUST DON'T AGREE. , . I KEEP GOING. SO SEDONA TALKS ABOUT IT BEING A CITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS. AND SEDONA WAS FOUNDED ON THE ARTS. IT REALLY WAS. I MEAN, WE, MAX ERNST AND DOROTHY, A TANNING WERE TWO OF SOME OF THE MOST FAMOUS ARTISTS IN THE WORLD THAT CAME HERE AND SETTLED HERE AND THRIVED HERE AND CREATED SOME OF THEIR MOST, UM, IMPORTANT WORK HERE. AND THE ART CENTER WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE COMMUNITY. IN FACT, THE CITY OF SEDONA VOTED ON BECOMING A CITY AT SEDONA ART CENTER. SO WE GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY, AND WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT AT SOME POINT. AND IT'S TIME THAT WE REFOCUS ON THOSE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT BRING THE RIGHT KIND OF TOURIST BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IN, UM, BIGGER NUMBERS. AND THAT, UM, WE SUPPORT THE ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS THAT EXIST HERE SO THAT WE CAN THRIVE AND, UM, AND, AND BE THE KIND OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE REALLY DESERVE TO BE BECAUSE WE'RE A WORLD CLASS DESTINATION AND THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT EXIST HERE NEED TO ALSO BE WORLD CLASS. AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THIS CITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS, WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S TELLING US IN THE BUDGET SURVEY DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT. AND WHAT VISITORS COMING HERE ARE SAYING IS IMPORTANT TO THEM WHEN THEY COME ISN'T SUPPORTING THAT. SO STRATEGICALLY, YES. WE GOTTA WORK ON THAT. YEAH. THE OTHER THING I'LL ASK LAST QUESTION IS, SO THIS SURVEY IS FOCUSED ON NON-PROFIT ARTS AND CULTURE. YES. WE HAVE A VERY LARGE FOR-PROFIT ARTS YES, WE DO. AND CULTURE COMPONENT AS WELL. MM-HMM. . ANY, ANY WAY TO KNOW HOW THAT PIECE COMPARES TO THE NONPROFIT PIECE? THE ONLY, UM, PIECE OF DATA THAT I'VE GOT FOR THAT IS THE BEA, UM, DATA, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THIS INCLUDES FOR-PROFIT NUMBERS AS WELL. I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA THAT PEELS OFF SEDONA SPECIFICALLY. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD GET SOME SNAPSHOT OF THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL. UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. IT WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK. YEAH. AT STATE LEVEL DOESN'T HELP. YEAH. RIGHT. ALL THAT. WELL, I MEAN, AT THE, THE STATE COULD POTENTIALLY HELP US DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE A PROJECT, IT WOULD BE A PRETTY MAJOR PROJECT TO FIGURE THAT OUT. HEY, IF YOU CAN ASK US FOR 550 K, YOU CAN ASK THEM FOR SOME DATA. RIGHT. . TRUE. ALL RIGHT. BLESS YOUR HEART. UH, OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY. HOW IS THE ART CENTER RELATED TO ANOTHER NONPROFIT THAT I BELIEVE CALLS ITSELF THE SEDONA ART MUSEUM, SOMETHING OR ANOTHER? UM, WE'RE NOT RELATED TO THAT. UH, I AM AWARE OF THAT EFFORT. UM, WE ARE A PROFESSIONAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, GOES BACK 65 YEARS AND, UM, WE HAVE FULLY PROFESSIONAL STAFF, UM, AND WE HIRE PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS. UH, THAT EFFORT IS, UM, WORKING ON TRYING TO BECOME, UH, A MUSEUM, WHICH I COMPLETELY SUPPORT. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ART MUSEUM IN, IN SEDONA. I THINK WE NEED IT. HOW ABOUT CONNECTED TO THE SEDONA ART CENTER IN BETWEEN YOUR MAIN BUILDING AND THE ART BARN ? HMM. HMM. HOLD ON THAT THOUGHT. . OKAY. I'M GOOD. THAT'S FOR THE NEXT MEETING NOW, . ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, JULIE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MELISSA. I JUST HAVE ONE REALLY QUICK QUESTION. SO NON-LOCAL WAS DEFINED AS NOT IN OUR COUNTIES. YES. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT IS FOR THE NUMBERS OF ARIZONA VERSUS NOT ARIZONA? I DON'T, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, NO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON A LOT OF THE NUMBERS AND, AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE ACTUALLY DRAWING PEOPLE FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY HERE FOR YOUR WATERCOLOR CLASSES OR WHAT IT IS, VERSUS THEY'RE COMING UP FROM TUCSON OR THEY'RE COMING UP FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, PHOENIX MAYBE. YEAH. SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD NUMBER, I THINK, TO UNDERSTAND. I WILL SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT, FIND OUT THAT NUMBER. I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN. UM, [00:50:01] BUT IF THEY COME AND THEY STAY OVERNIGHT AND THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY IN HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS, THAT'S ALL ADDITIONAL ECONOMIC IMPACT IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING ON, UM, PAYING FOR THAT, THAT WATERCOLOR CLASS THAT THEY'RE TAKING. IT HAS TO DO, DO MORE WITH, UH, REAL DESTINATION. THINK. OKAY. RIGHT. IF YOU'RE COMING UP FROM PHOENIX OR TUCSON, YOU GET IN YOUR CAR AND YOU DRIVE HERE. MM-HMM. , AND YOU MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE STAYING AT $23 AND 60 CENTS A NIGHT, IT'S AN AVERAGE , BUT EVEN AS AN AVERAGE, IT SEEMS VERY WEIRD. AND IT'S ONE NIGHT. AND, AND IF THEY'RE ONLY HERE FOR ONE NIGHT, NO, NO. THAT THE STUDY ONLY COUNTS ONE NIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. UM, THAT ASIDE, THAT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THE INTENT IS I'M COMING FROM BOSTON, I'M COMING FROM NEW YORK, I'M COMING FROM WHEREVER, EUROPE, WHEREVER IT IS I'M COMING FROM. THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT ASPECT OF THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE CLASSES THAT YOU'RE HOLDING. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ASK FOR $550,000, IT'D BE REALLY NICE TO KNOW WHO YOU'RE DRAWING. YEAH. AND I, I BRING YOUR ATTENTION BACK TO THAT $159 NUMBER, BECAUSE THAT IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE COMPARED TO, I MEAN, IT RANKS SECOND NATIONALLY, SO THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING DONE. I HAVE TO, OKAY. MELISSA BLI, ALL YOU DONE. OKAY. UH, PETE, I WAS TRYING TO DO THE MATH ON JESSICA'S QUESTION EARLIER, SO THIS, THIS WILL BE WRONG, BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING, UH, ARITHMETIC EXERCISE TO RUN THROUGH. IF, IF THE AVERAGE IS 2360, LET'S JUST SAY A HOTEL IS $230 A NIGHT, BUT, SO THAT'S LIKE ONE IN 10 PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR THAT NIGHT OF A, OF A HOTEL, BUT WE KNOW 60% ARE LOCAL, SO IT'S REALLY ONE IN FOUR STAYING OVERNIGHT. SO IT'S STILL QUITE A BIT OF, YOU KNOW, YEAH. IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND HOW THAT PLAYS WITH OUR VISITATION NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND OTHER SOURCES. OKAY. I CAN, SO I ASKED AMERICANS FOR THAT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT NUMBER. UM, SO I, LET ME JUST READ THIS AND SEE IF IT MAKES ANY SENSE. SO FIRST THEY CALCULATE THE AVERAGE PER PERSON EXPENDITURE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL AUDIENCE SURVEY THAT WE COLLECTED. SO THE TOTAL EVENT RELATED SPENDING THAT WAS REPORTED ON THE SURVEY, DIVIDED BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE TRAVEL PARTY THAT WAS REPORTED ON THE SURVEY. THEN THEY CALCULATE THE AVERAGE FOR ALL THE SURVEYS THAT WERE COLLECTED. AND THEN THEY DO THAT SEPARATELY FOR THE LOCALS, THE NON-LOCALS, AND THEN FINALLY ALL THE SURVEYS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE NUMBERS. OKAY. THANK YOU JULIE. I HAVE EIGHT CARDS FOR THIS ITEM. SO WE HAVE RANDY MCGRAIN, UH, PLEASE STEP UP. IT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY RUSSELL FOX. RANDY, YOU KNOW THE DRILL, SIR. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. HI MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. UM, REALLY PLEASED TO SPEAK ON THIS. I HAVE TO ADMIT, SEDONA ART CENTER IS MY NEIGHBOR. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY'RE MY NEIGHBOR IS BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE WHEN WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A HOTEL. AND HAVING AN ART CENTER NEXT TO A HOTEL WAS INSTRUMENTAL TO US. AND AS MUCH AS I SUPPORT THE ARTS, UH, PERSONALLY, UH, WE SUPPORT THIS HOTEL SUPPORTS THE ART CENTER BECAUSE THERE'S A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. THE PLANET AIR FESTIVAL IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO US. ALSO, I'M PRETTY AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR TOURISM IN THIS TOWN, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, COUNSELOR ARTS ARE WAY TOO LOW. WE GET THEM HIGHER BY INVESTING MORE IN ARTS. WE CAN'T, WE'RE LOSING SOME OF WHAT SEDONA HAS MEANT AND WHY PEOPLE COME. SO LET'S START TO CHANGE THAT NARRATIVE AND START TO OFFER SEDONA IN A DIFFERENT WAY. YOU DO THAT BY SUPPORTING NOT-FOR-PROFIT ARTS. AND LASTLY, THE KIND OF ARTISTS THAT WORK FOR NOT-FOR-PROFIT ARE LOCALS. AND THAT MONEY THEN FILTERS TO THEM AND MAKES THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING. AND I WANNA LIVE IN A COMMUNITY AND BE IN BUSINESS IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS THRIVING ARTISTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RANDY RUSSELL FOX WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MELISSA PATS P I'M SORRY. GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RUSSELL FOX AND FROM THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. I'M THE FORMER CONDUCTOR AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE VERDE VALLEY SYMPHONY, YETTA, NOW THE SEDONA SYMPHONY. AND CURRENTLY I'M FOUNDER AND BOARD CHAIR OF THE SEDONA CONSERVATORY. AND IN THAT CAPACITY, I'M HERE TO SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND VISIONARY REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK. SEDONA CONSERVATORY INCORPORATED IS A TAX EXEMPT 5 0 1 C3 BODY OF PERFORMING AND FINE ARTS PROFESSIONALS, CORPORATE AND PLANNING AND STRATEGY EXPERTS, LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT SPECIALISTS AND DEDICATED ARTS PATRONS. EACH IS COMMITTED TO FOUR SUSTAINING PRINCIPLES DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE CULTURAL PARK. [00:55:01] NUMBER ONE, RUSSELL, IS THIS ITEM SPECIFIC TO HER THE CULTURAL PARK OR THE, TO THE INFLUENCE OF THE CULTURAL PARK? YOU'RE ON MY TIME, HOWEVER, SO GIVE JUST A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW PEOPLE, I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, BUT I THINK I, I HOPE SO. I HOPE SO. KURT, DO YOU THINK IT'S CLOSE? MAYOR AND COUNSEL? YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ELIMINATED THE, THE NEED FOR IT TO BE ON TOPIC. YOU AND GENERALLY ANYTHING CAN GO DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, PERIOD. OKAY. WE'LL GIVE YOU TIME, RUSSELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE VALUE AND INFLUENCE OF THE PERFORMING AND CREATIVE ARTS IN OUR PERSONAL LIVES AND WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY IS INCALCULABLE. SOCIETIES DO RISE AND FALL ON THE VALUES AND PRINCIPLES EMBODIED IN THEIR CULTURAL ARTS. THEREFORE, SUSTAINING AND ADVANCING HUMANITY'S HIGHEST ARTISTIC EXPRESSIONS IS WORTH OUR EVERY EFFORT. AND THEN THERE'S THIS VALUE ADDED FACT ARTS DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES ARE CHIEF ECONOMIC DERIVE IN EVERY FORWARD THINKING MUNICIPALITY STRATEGIC PLAN. JULIE RICHARDS SPOKE TO THAT ISSUE. VISIONARY ARTS SUPPORT AND THE RESULTING COMMERCIAL VIABILITY ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN. AS SUCH, ALL GREAT ARTS ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE ACTUALLY A MARRIAGE OF VISION AND RESOURCES. WHETHER IT'S NEW CHOREOGRAPHY, THEATER OR MUSIC, OR THE CREATION OF AN INTERNATIONAL CULTURAL CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING AND FINE ARTS AND AND HUMANITIES AT THE CULTURAL PARK, THE PRINCIPLE REMAINS THE SAME. TRULY SIGNIFICANT CULTURAL ADVANCEMENTS CAN ONLY COME FORTH AND BE SUSTAINED THROUGH A MEANINGFUL RESOURCES OF THOSE WHO VALUE SUCH ACHIEVEMENTS. AND I TRUST THAT THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS IN THIS ROOM FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY. SEDONA IS THE IDEAL LOCATION, UH, FOR RE-ENVISIONED CULTURAL CENTER FOR THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES. WITH ITS INSPIRING AND CONSTANTLY RECOG, INSTANTLY RECOGNIZABLE LANDSCAPES, THIS SECLUDED LITTLE ARTS COLONY HAS NOW BECOME A WORLD DESTINATION. WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, ARE NOW MUCH IN LARGE POPULATION HOPES FOR AND ENVISIONS A MAJOR RENAISSANCE IN THE PERFORMING AND VISUAL ARTS WITH WORLD CLASS ARTS, EDUCATION, FACILITIES, MUSEUMS, AS WELL AS APPROPRIATELY DESIGNED AND POSITIONED PERFORMANCE VENUES. SO A CONSERVATORY'S VISION AND MASTER PLAN FOR THE CULTURAL PARK ADDRESSES ALL MAJOR ISSUES OF SEDONAS, MUCH ANTICIPATED EXPANSION OF THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES, TRULY SUSTAINABLE TOURISM, HIGH-END ECONOMIC GROWTH, AND THE ALL IMPORTANT ISSUES OF AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE AND SENIOR HOUSING. SO THE OPPORTUNE MOMENT IS NOW FOR SECURING THIS IRREPLACEABLE ASSET, THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK, NOT ONLY AS AN INTERNATIONAL CULTURAL DESTINATION, BUT AS A LASTING LEGACY FOR THE VISIONARY COMMUNITY LEADERS WHO NOW CAN MAKE THIS POSSIBLE. WE EARNESTLY ASK YOU TO EXPAND YOUR VISION AND ALLOW US TO ALL GO FORWARD, HAND IN HAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU RUSSELL. UH, MELISSA? UM, YES, PAT? YES, PAT, WHENEVER I SEE YOU, I GET IT WRONG, BUT THAT'S OKAY. I, I, I, I ANSWER STILL. I AM MELISSA PANKA. I AM A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER. I JUST WANNA REITERATE THE IMPORTANCE THAT THE ARTS BRING TO OUR CITY. UM, FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE, A SOCIAL PERSPECTIVE. SOMEONE WHO'S SITTING NEXT TO ME MADE THE COMMENT OF, CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING IN THIS ROOM WITH NO ART ON THE WALLS? CAN YOU IMAGINE DRIVING THROUGH SEDONA WITHOUT ANY OF THE ARTS, THAT ART THAT IS THERE? I THINK WE OFTEN FORGET HOW MUCH ART AND CULTURE WE HAVE IN OUR CITY. 'CAUSE WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME. WE LIVE WITH IT AND WE EMBRACE IT. SO THE FACT THAT WE WANNA INVEST IN IT AND CONTINUE TO UTILIZE IT AND EXPAND IT TO GET TOURISM IN HERE, INVEST IN OUR OWN ARTISTS, INVEST IN THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND THE NONPROFITS IS SO VITALLY IMPORTANT. AND YES, IT IS SO EASY TO LOOK AT ANY NUMBER IN ANY REPORT AND START PICKING IT APART. I WOULD SAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FAITH IN THE FACT THAT THIS IS, THIS STUDY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 30 YEARS. IT KEEPS ADDING TO IT. WE GET MORE DATA. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO HAVE SOME GOOD BENCHMARK DATA. BUT I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO DEFINITELY, PLEASE TAKE THAT ALL INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE BUDGETS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE WHITNEY MUNCH, FOLLOWED BY NICHOLAS KIRSTEN. I'M WINIFRED MINCH, REPRESENTING SEDONA CHAMBER BALLET. SEDONA, ALL ART SPEAKS TO OUR NEED TO REVEAL, HEAL, AND TRANSFORM. IT TRANSFORMS OUR ORDINARY LIVES, AND IT LETS US IMAGINE WHAT IS POSSIBLE. THAT'S A QUOTE THAT I READ THIS MORNING. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, SHE, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS THE CHAIRMAN OF SEDONA BALLET, I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY TO ADVOCATE FOR AN INCREASE IN ARTS FUNDING FOR OUR BELOVED CITY OF SEDONA. WE ARE AT A PIVOTAL MOMENT WHERE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST IN SOMETHING TRULY TRANSFORMATIVE FORMATIVE OUR ARTS COMMUNITY. TONIGHT, YOU [01:00:01] HEARD THAT THE AMERICAN FOR THE ARTS STUDY STUDY SHED LIGHT ON A REMARKABLE STATISTIC. THE ARTS HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL POSITIVE IMPACT ON CITY REVENUE. TO BE PRECISE, THE STUDY REVEALED THAT THE ARTS CONTRIBUTE OVER 550,000 TO OUR CITY COFFERS. THIS ISN'T MERELY A NUMBER, IT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE PROFOUND ECONOMIC VALUE OF THE ARTS IN SEDONA. LET ME ILLUSTRATE THIS IMPACT THROUGH A TANGIBLE EXAMPLE. OUR RECENT PERFORMANCE WITH THE AMERICAN BALLET THEATER WAS ONE NIGHT. THIS EVENT NOT ONLY SHOWCASED INCREDIBLE TALENT, BUT ALSO ATTRACTED A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OUTTA TOWN RESIDENTS. IN FACT, OVER 35% OF THE AUDIENCE TRAVELED FROM AFAR TO WITNESS THE SPECTACLE. OVER 280 PEOPLE, THESE VISITORS DIDN'T JUST COME FOR PERFORMANCE. THEY IMMERSED THEMSELVES IN THE SEDONA EXPERIENCE. THEY STAYED IN OUR HOTELS, THEY DINED IN OUR RESTAURANTS, AND THEY EXPLORED OUR LOCAL ATTRACTIONS FOR OVER THREE DAYS. THE INFLUX OF TOURISM TRANSLATES TO INCREASED REVENUE FOR THE CITY, BENEFITING NOT ONLY THE ARTS, BUT ALSO THE ECONOMY. ARTS TOURISM CAN CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO A LOCAL ECONOMY BY GENERATING REVENUE FOR ARTISTS, ARTISANS, GALLERIES, AND CULTURAL INSTITUTION. BUT UNLIKE MASS TOURISM, WHICH FOCUSES ON HIGH VOLUME, LOW SPENDING, VISITORS, ARTS TOURS TEND TO SEEK OUT AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCES AND ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN OUR LOCAL ARTWORK, PERFORMANCES AND WORKSHOPS. THIS WILL CREATE SUSTAINABLE LIVELIHOODS FOR LOCAL ARTISTS AND ARTISANS WHILE SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESS AND CULTURAL INITIATIVES. BUT THE IMPACT OF ART GOES SO FAR BEYOND DOLLARS AND CENTS. IT ENRICHES OUR CULTURAL FABRIC OF THIS CITY. IT FOSTERS CREATIVITY, DIVERSITY, AND COMMUNITY COHESION. IT PROVIDES AN AVENUE FOR EXPRESSION AND CONNECTION THAT TRANSCENDS OUR BOUNDARIES AND UNITES US IN A SHARED EXPERIENCE BY INVESTING IN THE ARTS, WE INVEST IN THE SOUL OF SEDONA. WE SEND A POWERFUL MESSAGE THAT WE VALUE CREATIVITY, INNOVATION, AND PER THE PURSUIT OF BEAUTY, WE DEMONSTRATE OUR COMMITMENT TO NURTURING A VIBRANT CULTURAL SCENE THAT ATTRACTS VISITORS, SUPPORTS LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND ENHANCES THE QUALITY OF OUR LIFE. THEREFORE, I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER INCREASING ARTS FUNDING FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. LET'S SEIZE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HARNESS THE ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL POTENTIAL OF THE ARTS FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR CITY, OUR RESIDENTS, AND OUR BUSINESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WINNIE NICHOLAS WILL BE, UH, FOLLOWED BY PATRICK SCHWEISS. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS WHAT I FEEL ABOUT HOW THE ARTS ARE GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CITY. UM, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THERE'S A BOOK THAT I JUST, JUST CAME OUT FROM TWO NEUROSCIENTISTS FROM JOHN HOPKINS NEUROSCIENCE CENTER, AND IT'S CALLED YOUR BRAIN ON ART. AND IT'S THE MOST DEEP RESEARCH ON WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS TO PEOPLE AND THE ENVIRONMENT WHEN ART GOES INTO IT. AND IT'S ALL VERY POSITIVE AND NURTURING AND COMMUNITY, UH, HEALING AND BRINGING PEOPLE AND COMMUNITY TOGETHER IN A SAFE AND SECURE WAY THAT IS NOT INTIMIDATING IN ANY WAY. AND, UH, IT, IT DOES A LOT TO, IT DOES BRING A SUPER, UH, A SPECIAL GROUP OF VISITORS BECAUSE THE ARTS, UH, CALL FORTH PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE SENSITIVE TO ENVIRONMENT, TO OTHER PEOPLE, TO MUSIC, TO EDUCATION, AND TO NATURE AS A WHOLE. SO MY WISH IS THAT, UH, YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE ARTS AND LOOK INTO THE DEEPER UNDERSTANDING NOW THAT WE HAVE FROM THESE WONDERFUL NEUROSCIENCE WOMEN WHO DELVE DEEPLY INTO WHAT ARCHERY DOES TO OUR BRAIN AND AFFECTS US, OUR BRAIN, OUR BODY AND EVERYTHING. SO OUR ENVIRONMENT NEEDS TO BE FULL OF ART AND SUPPORT THE ARTS. UH, AND IT IS ALSO AN ECONOMICALLY VIABLE REASON AS WELL. I'M SPEAKING TO THE SOUL, NOURISHING, HEALING FOOD. I CALL IT SOUL FOOD. ART IS SOUL FOOD ON WHATEVER LEVEL IT COMES OUT. AND PARTICULARLY FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO NEED TO HAVE AN AVENUE THAT IS SAFE, SECURE, AND TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR THEM IN A POSITIVE WAY. SO THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE ARTS AS YOU DO, AND HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE. IN YOUR ENLIGHTENED WAY. COULD YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND CITY OF, UH, OF WHERE YOU LIVE? I'M [01:05:01] NICHOLAS KIRSTEN CHEN. I HAVE TWO ART GALLERIES INTO OCK. WHERE DO YOU LIVE, SIR? IN SEDONA. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE NEED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. PATRICK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY NATE MYERS. PATRICK, I KNOW YOU KNOW THE DRILL. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, I'M PATRICK SCHWEISS. I LIVE IN SEDONA, AND I REPRESENT MYSELF AND THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL. I WILL BE BRIEF, WHICH I KNOW IS UNUSUAL . SO, BUT I WANNA TAKE JUST A COUPLE SECONDS TO THANK JULIE AND THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER FOR PUTTING, WORKING WITH THEM TO PUT THIS AND WORKING WITH ALL OF US TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. IT'S A YEOMAN'S JOB AND I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU PULLED OFF IN PUTTING THIS. SO THANK YOU, JULIE. ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, I'M ONE THAT DOESN'T LIKE TO DEAL WITH STATISTICS. I THOSE NUMBERS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OVERWHELMING. THEY'RE WONDERFUL. THEY MEAN A LOT OF THINGS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. I JUDGE BY THE PEOPLE LEAVING OUR THEATERS AND LEAVING OUR EVENTS AND THE LOOKS IN THEIR FACES AND WHAT WE BROUGHT TO THEM AND WHAT THE ARTS CENTER BRINGS TO THEM, AND WHAT OUR ARTS COMMUNITY BRINGS THEM WHEN THEY'RE GAZING ON SOME, WHETHER IT'S THE WORK HERE, THE BEAUTIFUL WORK HERE IN THE CHAMBERS, OR A SCULPTURE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND YOU CAN'T PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE ON THAT. WHAT YOU CAN PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE ON IS THE CITY'S ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AND TO HELP PROMOTE THE ARTS. AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ALREADY FOR ALREADY UPPING THAT BUDGET FOR THE SMALL GRANTS AND CHANGING THOSE PERCENTAGES. UM, WE HAD A WONDERFUL MEETING, JULIE AND I WITH HOLLY A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND I HOPE THAT THAT HAD SOME IMPETUS ON, ON MAKING THAT HAPPEN AS WE WERE GOING INTO THE BUDGETING PROCESS BECAUSE IT WAS SO WONDERFUL A FEW YEARS AGO. AND WE'VE LOST A LITTLE BIT OF SIGHT OF THIS, AND SOME OF YOU KNOW THIS, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE STORY, BUT WHEN ROD ADAMS WAS OUR MAYOR, AND WHEN PUT QUI WAS OUR MAYOR, UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED A QUALIFYING ARTS ORGANIZATIONS GRANTS. THAT WAS FOR THE BIGGER ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, THE MULTI-DAY ARTS ORGANIZATIONS THAT GOT A BIGGER CHUNK OF SUPPORT FROM THE CITY BECAUSE WE BRING OVERNIGHT VISITORS AND WE BRING PEOPLE WHO SPEND MORE MONEY, MORE TIME, THOSE HIGHER QUALIFIED VISITORS TO SEDONA. UM, AND THEN IT KEPT US OUT OF THE POOL FOR THE SMALL GRANTS, WHICH MEANT THOSE SMALLER ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER ARTS OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN GOT BIGGER GRANTS BECAUSE WE WERE TAKEN OUTTA THAT POOL. THE CITY HAS LOST THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE ALL KNOW THE STORY. I WON'T GO INTO THAT. I CAN TELL YOU SOMETIME, UH, WHERE THAT WENT AWAY. BUT ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO GET IT BACK TOWARDS SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND TO INCREASE YOUR FUNDING FOR THE ARTS, WE ARE SO IMPORTANT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, BUT ON THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FILM FESTIVALS AND OTHER ARTS FESTIVAL DONATION DESTINATION EVENTS, TICKET SALES ONLY ACCOUNT FOR ONE THIRD OF OUR ANNUAL OPERATING REVENUE. THE REST ALL HAS TO BE MADE UP FROM GRANTS CITY SUPPORT, GOVERNMENT SUPPORT MEMBERSHIPS. WE ARE RIGHT ON THERE. OURS IS 34% COME FROM TICKET SALES, BOTH FOR THE MARY FISHER AND ALICE GILL SHELDON THEATERS AND OUR FILM FESTIVAL. SO WE DEPEND ON THIS KIND OF SUPPORT. SO WHERE EVERY, WHETHER IT'S THE $550,000 THAT YOU'RE BOOSTING THE ARTS, WHICH WOULD BE AWESOME, OR SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN YOUR INCREASE, AND THAT IT WOULD SHOW A GREAT, GREAT DEAL OF SUPPORT FROM THE CITY SAYING WE TRULY WANT TO BE AND WANT TO SUPPORT BEING A CITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS. IT WOULD MEAN A LOT TO US. IT WOULD HELP US DO WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY TO MAKE THIS CITY A DESTINATION AND TO MAKE A REALLY WONDERFUL, VIABLE ARTS COMMUNITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, PATRICK. OKAY. NATE MYERS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MIKE. UP. MIKE, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. GO FOR IT. MAYOR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS. THANK YOU. I'M NATE MYERS OF SEDONA, AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW ME AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM. I WANNA START BY THANKING JULIE AND HER TEAM AT THE SEDONA ART CENTER FOR LEADING THE EFFORT TO DOCUMENT THE ECONOMIC VALUE OF ARTS AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS AND EVENTS HERE IN SEDONA THROUGH THE A EP SIX SURVEY. UH, THE FINDINGS OF THAT SURVEY THAT SEDONAS NONPROFITS ARTS AND CULTURE INDUSTRY GENERATED 13 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN 2022 REVEALED JUST HOW IMPORTANT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE ONE I REPRESENT, LIKE SEDONA ART CENTER, LIKE THE FILM FESTIVAL, UH, SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY, THE SEDONA SYMPHONY CHAMBER MUSIC, SEDONA, OTHER LOCAL THEATER COMPANIES, NUMEROUS ART GALLERIES, NON-PROFIT IN THIS CASE, BUT ALSO THE FOR-PROFIT ONES, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, AND OTHERS ARE VITAL TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. ANOTHER AMAZING FINDING IS THAT VISITORS OF SEDONA SPEND AN AVERAGE OF $159 AND 91 CENTS ON ARTS AND CULTURE. AND THAT'S JUST TO EMPHASIZE TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE LOCALS SPEND $41 AND 55 CENTS ON AVERAGE, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 29 77. THAT TELLS ME THAT LOCAL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE FIND TREMENDOUS VALUE IN THE OFFERINGS OF OUR LOCAL ARTS AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS. NOT ONLY DOES THAT REPRESENT A SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC IMPACT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY SHOULD TAKE PRIDE IN. TO THAT POINT, A WHOPPING 88% OF RESPONDENTS TO THE SURVEY AGREED WITH THE STATEMENT, THIS ACTIVITY OR VENUE IS INSPIRING A SENSE OF PRIDE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY. [01:10:01] WHILE MUCH OF THE FOCUS OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF ARTS AND CULTURE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE BRING EVEN MORE VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY. ARTS AND CULTURE EXPERIENCES CONNECT PEOPLE TO HEALTH, WELLBEING AND IDENTITY. THEY IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE, AND CRUCIALLY, THEY ESTABLISH A SENSE OF PLACE. UH, I'D LIKE TO ALSO TAKE NOTE THAT, UM, COUNCILLOR FOLTZ MENTIONED A STUDY I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. WE WERE NOT ASKED TO PARTICIPATE IN IT. UM, AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IF OTHER ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN WERE ALSO NOT PARTICIPANTS, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT DATA REFLECTS ACTUAL SENTIMENT. UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO WRAP UP WITH A COUPLE OF QUOTES. FIRST, A STATEMENT FROM THE ARTS COUNCIL OF ENGLAND THEATERS, MUSEUMS, GALLERIES AND LIBRARIES ARE THE BEATING HEART OF OUR TOWNS AND CITIES. NOT ONLY DO THEY BRING PROSPERITY, THEY BRING COMMUNITIES TOGETHER AND MAKE LIFE WORTH LIVING. AND FINALLY, FROM ARCHITECT DANIEL LIBESKIND, SORRY IF I BUTCHERED THAT NAME. ART AND CULTURE ARE NOT JUST FRILLS, BUT CRUCIAL ELEMENTS TO HUMAN LIFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, NATE. MIKE WOULD, MIKE WILL BE OUR LAST, UH, SPEAKER. SO, UH, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS, UH, AN INTEREST TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE ITEM NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO FILL OUT A CARD. MIKE, YOU KNOW, ALSO KNOW THE DRILL. SO, NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. BEEN HERE BEFORE . YOU HAVE, UH, MY NAME IS MIKE UP, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF SEDONA VISUAL ARTIST COALITION. AND I LIVE IN CORNFIELD, BUT I'M IN SEDONA ALL THE TIME. UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND. I, I'VE BEEN A CERAMIC ARTIST FOR THE LAST 14 YEARS. BEFORE THAT, I SPENT 28 YEARS IN HIGH TECH SALES AND MARKETING, MOSTLY STARTUPS AND MOSTLY SOFTWARE. UM, IN THOSE ROLES, UM, MOSTLY AT A DIRECTOR OR VP LEVEL, YOU HAD TO HAVE DATA TO JUSTIFY WHY YOU WANTED TO HIRE A NEW PERSON OR WHY YOU WANTED TO INVEST IN A MARKETING PROGRAM. WELL, THE DATA JULIE HAS PRESENTED IS, I MEAN, IT'S ROCK SOLID BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 30 YEARS. THEY'VE REFINED THIS STUDY. SO IT'S NOT JUST SOME WISHFUL THINKING THAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $160 A PERSON. SO I'LL TAKE A LITTLE DIFFERENT TACTIC BECAUSE I THINK, UH, I THINK HIS NAME WAS NATE AND MY PAL PATRICK. THERE HE IS, UM, DID A GOOD JOB OF TALKING ABOUT THE CULTURAL AND THE, UH, THE EMOTIONAL IMPACT OF THE ARTS. BUT I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE FINANCIAL PART BECAUSE EVEN IF, LET'S SAY YOU TOOK $450,000 IS WHAT YOU WERE GONNA INVEST IN THE ARTS, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT AM I, WHAT'S MY ROI, WHAT AM I GONNA GET BACK FOR THAT MONEY? WELL, EVEN IF YOU ONLY HIT THE $550,000, THE STUDY SHOWS, THAT'S A 20% RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. WHERE ARE YOU GONNA GET 20% RETURN ON YOUR MONEY IN TODAY'S MARKET? NOT GONNA HAPPEN. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU INVESTED THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN, IN SUPPORTING THE ARTS, YOU WOULDN'T JUST GET $550,000 IN THE IMPACT. THE IMPACT WOULD BE HIGHER. LET'S HOPE IT'S AT LEAST 10% HIGHER THAN THE 550,000. SO, UM, I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S JUSTIFIABLE. AND I BELIEVE AS YOU GUYS, AS THE, THE FINANCIAL STEWARDS OF THE BUDGET, THAT YOU WOULD GET THAT KIND OF IMPACT. A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. SO WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRACKING THE DATA FOR THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE OPEN STUDIO TOUR. UM, IF YOU'VE SEEN OUR GRANT PROPOSALS, IT'S PRETTY WELL SPELLED OUT IN THOSE PROPOSALS. SO IT'S 2000 TO 2300 PEOPLE THAT COME SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 50 TO 60 ON AVERAGE ARE LOCALS. MM-HMM, . UM, AND THEN 20 TO PER TO 30% IS FROM PHOENIX. AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. UM, AND THEY, A LOT OF THEM LITERALLY TELL ME THAT THEY PLANNED THEIR VACATION EVERY YEAR TO COME THE LAST WEEKEND IN APRIL BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT'S WHEN THE OPEN STUDIO TOUR IS. UM, SO, SO THAT IMPACT IS HUGE. UM, JESSICA KNOWS, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS AT HER HOUSE, HER HUSBAND IS IS FRONT AND CENTER. UM, SO I JUST URGE YOU TO LOOK AT INCREASING THAT INVESTMENT BECAUSE YOU, YOU'LL GET IT BACK. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. SO THANK YOU, MIKE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, YOU HAVE A QUESTION TO COMMENT? I DO. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO, TO, UM, COUNCILMAN LTZ STATEMENT ABOUT THE PART, THE SUPPORT FOR ADDITIONAL ART FUNDING IN THE, [01:15:01] UM, CITIZEN SURVEY THAT THE CITY RAN. AND I THINK WE ALL READ IT AND THERE WAS NONE. OF COURSE, THERE WASN'T SUPPORT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL SPENDING, BUT I WOULD LIKE . KAREN, ANNETTE. ANNETTE. ANNETTE. IS ANNETTE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TALK? OKAY. ANNETTE, TELL ME THE BASIS OF THE CITIZEN SURVEY, HOW THAT WAS CONDUCTED. THE OTHER . NO, KAREN, IF YOU COULD JUST, UM, JUST GIVE US A ONE MINUTE THING ABOUT THE CITIZEN SURVEY, UH, BUDGET SURVEY, WHO IT WENT OUT TO, HOW MANY RESPONSES WE GOT, AND WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO LIVE IN SEDONA COULD HAVE PARTICIPATED. SO, UM, COUNSELOR, IT'S NOT A SCIENTIFIC SURVEY WHATSOEVER. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO EACH YEAR JUST TO GET, UH, SOME SENTIMENT. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A SCIENTIFIC SURVEY. UM, WE PUT IT OUT THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS. I BELIEVE IT GOES OUT THROUGH E NOTIFY WITH LINKS. MM-HMM. SO PEOPLE CAN FILL IT OUT NUMEROUS TIMES. UM, I DO KNOW THAT, THAT NANCY LATTANZI OUR ARTS AND CULTURE SPECIALIST, UM, BECAUSE SHE HELPED US DESIGN SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AROUND ARTS SPENDING WAS, HAD DISTRIBUTED IT SPECIFICALLY TO ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AND HER CONTACTS THROUGHOUT THE ARTS COMMUNITY. SO WE WERE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS HAD A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, ACCESS AND KNEW ABOUT IT. UM, AND SO WE COULD GAUGE, YOU KNOW, THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT ARTS RELATED PRIORITIES AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO, TO HAVE PEOPLE KNOW THE BASIS OF, OF THE STATEMENT SO THAT YOU COULD SORT OF GAUGE THAT. THANK YOU. COULD I, COULD I JUST ADD ONE THING? UM, WE, WE, I DO REMEMBER GETTING THE LINK FROM NANCY. UM, IF WE WOULD'VE HAD MORE TIME, WE WOULD'VE ACTUALLY BLASTED THAT OUT TO OUR EE LIST, WHICH WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO SO. AND I THINK THAT THE REST OF THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY WOULD'VE DONE THE SAME THING AND WE WOULD'VE HAD DIFFERENT RESULTS. JULIE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO IT WHEN YOU RECEIVED IT? WE GOT IT. WE GOT IT LIKE THE DAY THAT IT WAS DUE. OKAY. SO YEAH. RIGHT. BUT THIS WAS A RESIDENT FOCUSED SURVEY. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO ACTUALLY HAVING AN ARTS ORGANIZATION BLAST THAT OUT TO ITS MEMBERS REALLY WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD BE SKEWED. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO PUT IN CONTEXT AND TO GIVE SOME SPECIFICITY TO THE, THE DETAILS ABOUT WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT RESPONSE CAME FROM. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JULIE. OH, YOU HAVE A QUESTION NOW? BRIAN, COMMENT PLEASE. SO, AT A MINIMUM, YOU'RE ASKING FOR 375,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE LIKELY EARMARKED THROUGH THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM. SO, YOU KNOW, TUG AT OUR HEARTSTRINGS, TELL A GOOD STORY, MAKE US WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. WE CAN'T JUST GO WRITE A BLANK CHECK. MM-HMM. . SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE ART COMMUNITY GONNA COME FORWARD WITH AS FAR AS IDEAS AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO INTERSECT WITH OUR TOURISM WORK? MM-HMM. . BECAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T DIVORCE THE ONE FROM THE OTHER. SO THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME COMMUNICATION AND COLLABORATION. SO I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR IDEAS, NOT JUST A DOLLAR SIGN, BUT I'M OPEN TO HEARING IDEAS. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. EASY. VICE MAYOR. WELL, WE HAVE TWO DAYS, TWO FULL DAYS OF BUDGET HEARINGS NEXT WEEK ON THE 17TH AND 18TH. SO IF YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR US, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE INITIAL, IT'S HARD TO GET ON AFTER THAT. YEAH, I'LL GET TOGETHER WITH MY CREW HERE. YEAH. . OKAY. WE ALREADY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS ANYWAY, SO I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT. YEAH, . THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. SURE. GSRC. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM EIGHT [8.b. AB 3038 Presentation/discussion/possible direction on the final report and recommendations from the Greater Sedona Recreation Collaborative (GSRC) regarding motorized trail and off-highway vehicle use in and around the Greater Sedona area.] B AB 30 38 PRESENTATION. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION ON THE FINAL REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATIONAL COLLABORATIVE. THAT'S THE GSRC REGARDING MOTORIZED TRAIL AND OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE USE IN AND AROUND THE GREATER SEDONA AREA. HELLO? HI. HELLO. OH WOW. THANK YOU. [01:20:05] OKAY. GOOD EVENING. YEP. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN NOW. , I CAN HEAR YOU NOW. SO, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. THANKS FOR HAVING US BACK. IT'S BEEN A MINUTE SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE. AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO TALKING TO THIS EVENING ABOUT THE PROPOSED STRATEGIES. I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUES, MARK ETH AND JESSICA ARCHIBALD AND A HOST OF OTHERS SEATED BEHIND ME WHO WILL ALSO BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. UM, WE WOULD ASK, UNLESS IT'S CLARIFYING RESPECTFULLY, UM, TO GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN HAVE ROBUST DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL DIRECTION AS ADVISED BY THE AGENDA. UM, WHEN WE ARE THROUGH, MARK WILL ASK A FEW OF THE FOLKS SEATED BEHIND ME TO COME UP ONE BY ONE TO PRESENT A FEW SLIDES JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW THE PIECES WE'RE HOPING THAT PIECES WORK TOGETHER THIS EVENING. TONIGHT WE'LL BE REVIEWING THE PROCESS AND STRUCTURE IN WHICH WE'VE ARRIVED HERE AT THESE PROPOSED STRATEGIES. HOW WE IDENTIFIED THE PRIMARY CHALLENGES AND THE STRATEGIES THAT ENSUED FROM THOSE STRATEGIES BEHIND MOTORIZED USE. WHAT ARE THOSE STRATEGIES AND HOW DID WE BUILD CONSENSUS SURROUNDING THOSE? WHAT ARE THE ACTION TEAMS DOING AT THAT TIME? WE HAD A WORKING GROUP, BUT WE ALSO HAD SIGNIFICANT WORK ONGOING OUTSIDE OF THE WORK GROUP. AND THEN PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, AND WHAT I KNOW YOU'RE MOST INTERESTED IN OR WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS BEYOND THE RELEASE OF THIS REPORT IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED. IT'S ONLY A 52 PAGE REPORT. ACTUALLY, I KNOW I SEE YOUR I AS MS. MAYOR JAO. THE REST ARE IMPORTANT APPENDICES TO REFLECT ALL OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE. BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE FULL REPORT. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HARD AT WORK AND I HOPE YOU'VE READ EVERY SINGLE PAGE. ALMOST EXCELLENT. . SO YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE REPORT, THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, THE FAQ'S, UM, AND THE WHAT PRESS RELEASE. AND THE PRESS RELEASE. WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT OF COVERAGE, UM, TODAY AND NOT MUCH BEYOND THAT. I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY. I THINK IT CAME OUT JUST, UM, IN A LINK. I'LL MAKE SURE YOU SEE THAT THE RED ROCK NEWS CAME OUT WITH THIS, A SMALL PIECE TODAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO WHAT IS THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE? WELL, IT EMERGED FROM GROWING CONCERNS, CHANGING CONDITIONS, RECOGNITION OF RECREATIONAL CROSS-JURISDICTIONAL NATURE, AND THE VALUE OF COLLABORATING WITH DIVERSE PARTNERS. IT IDENTIFIED A FEW KEY OBJECTIVES TO IDENTIFY AND PROVIDE INPUT ON SHORT TO LONG-TERM STRATEGIES, ENCOURAGE BROAD PARTICIPATION, COLLABORATION, AND CONSENSUS, PROVIDE A PLATFORM FOR SHARED LEARNING, ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION, AND BUILD UPON, NOT REPLICATE PREVIOUS EFFORTS. LASTLY, TO UTILIZE A HOLISTIC AND BALANCED PERSPECTIVE, WE DO BELIEVE WE ACHIEVE THAT WITH THIS INCREDIBLY HARDWORKING WORKING GROUP. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHO THOSE FOLKS WERE HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. AS A REMINDER, THIS IS AN ENORMOUS GEOGRAPHY, MUCH LARGER THAN SOME OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY. ALSO, AS A REMINDER, THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE IN THE FUTURE MAY INCLUDE MORE THAN MOTORIZED WORK. THIS IS A FORWARD THINKING NETWORK, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AS IT RELATES TO COLLABORATION. 'CAUSE IT TURNS OUT RECREATION BEYOND O HVS IS ALSO IMPORTANT IN SEDONA. SO THE GEOGRAPHY INCLUDES THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE RED ROCK RANGER STATION, RANGER DISTRICT WEST OF FOREST ROAD, 5 2 5 SOUTH TO COVILLE EAST TO THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF MANS MOUNTAIN WILDERNESS AND NORTH TO RED ROCK, SECRET CANYON AND WILDERNESS. SO IT'S A VERY LARGE LANDSCAPE IN WHICH THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE RESIDES. WELL, WE PRESENTED BRIEFLY ON THIS WHEN WE MENTION WE MET WITH YOU LAST YEAR, BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT. FIRST. THIS WAS NOT OUR GROUP IN ISOLATION OR JUST THE FOREST SERVICE, BUT THIS GROUP WAS COVED BY SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY OR LAND MANAGEMENT JURISDICTION THAT INCLUDES ARIZONA GAME AND FISH, ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS, THE CITY OF SEDONA. THANK YOU. MELISSA COCONINO, NATIONAL FOREST AND YAVAPAI COUNTY. THOSE CO-CONVENERS ARE SEATED BEHIND ME, AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM THEM IN JUST A MOMENT. THE WORK GROUP INCLUDED 17 INDIVIDUALS. THESE ARE YOUR CITIZENS AND AN ADDITIONAL, SEVERAL OTHER ALTERNATES THAT SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS GROUP. YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY REPRESENT SEVERAL DIFFERENT GROUPS, SLIGHTLY OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU MAY HAVE READ IN THE PAPER THIS MORNING. THIS WAS NOT JUST AN, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS REPRESENTING. WE HAD ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, PERMITTEES RECREATION, USER GROUPS, RECREATION, NON-GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS, THE RED ROCK, OHV, CONSERVATION CREW, AND SEVERAL [01:25:01] RESIDENTIAL REPRESENTATIVES. I'M JUST GONNA PAUSE FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH INCREDIBLE HARD WORK WENT INTO THIS. AND I'M ALSO GONNA IN, UH, ASK OUR WORKING GROUP AND ALSO NEW FRIENDS TO JUST RAISE THEIR HANDS, WHETHER YOU WERE AN ALTERNATE OR A WORK GROUP MEMBER. ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. JUST A LITTLE DIAGRAM HERE. AS YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, THE MOTORIZED RECREATION WORKING GROUP IS THE FIRST WORKING GROUP WITHIN THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE. WHAT'S AHEAD? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT THING THAT NEEDS COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION. YOU CAN SEE THE CO-CONVENERS THERE IN THE CENTER. AND THEN WE DID HAVE FIVE ACTION TEAMS THAT WERE ALSO DOING WORK OUTSIDE OF THE REGULAR MONTHLY WORKING GROUP MEETINGS, WHICH INCLUDED WORK ON ENVIRONMENTAL AND CONSERVATION AND RESTORATION OF WHICH MUCH WORK HAS BEEN ONGOING OVER THOSE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. DATA GATHERING AND MONITORING, COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION POLICY AND LEGISLATION AND SUSTAINABLE FUNDING. WE HAD ONE WORKING GROUP MEMBER DO A LITTLE MATH AT OUR LAST MEETING. AND WITH THE 17 WORK GROUP MEMBERS, THEY ESTIMATED THAT THEY EACH WORKED 150 HOURS IN WORKING GROUP MEETINGS AND ACTION TEAMS, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 24, 2500 HOURS OF YOUR CITIZENS TRYING TO TACKLE THIS, THIS ISSUE. HERE'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN SUMMARIZED FROM THE LAST TIME. WE MET WITH YOU IN MAY FROM MAY TO JULY. SDR DID INITIAL PLANNING AND MET WITH CO-CONVENERS, GOT EVERYBODY ON BOARD, BEGAN TO DISCUSS THE SHARED FUNDING. THANK YOU, CITY OF SEDONA, AS WELL AS OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING TO THIS. FROM JANUARY TO AUGUST, WE CONVENED THE WORK GROUP. WE LEARNED, WE'VE BEEN INTO THE FIELD. WE PROPOSED INITIAL STRATEGIES AND DEVELOPED THOSE FROM AUGUST TO JANUARY. THOSE INITIAL STRATEGIES WERE LOOKED AT BY THE CO-CONVENERS. THESE ARE THE CONVENERS THAT WILL BE EXECUTING AND IMPLEMENTING THESE POTENTIAL STRATEGIES. THE CO-CONVENERS DID NOT VOTE WITHIN CONSENSUS. THEY WERE THERE TO APPLY ANY REASONABLE SIDEBOARDS IF NEED BE, AND REALLY TO HELP GUIDE THE GROUP ON WHAT COULD AND WOULD BE IMPLEMENTABLE IN THE FUTURE. IN MARCH, WE RELEASED THE PHASE ONE REPORT, THE BIG BOOK THAT YOUR MAYOR HAS JUST PUT ON THE DAIS. AND IN APRIL, WE BEGAN THE ROAD SHOW. YOU'RE THE SECOND WE TESTED OUT, UM, IT ON THE FOREST SERVICE LEADERSHIP. HERE WE ARE THIS EVENING WITH SEDONA CITY COUNCIL. MATT EBERHART BEHIND ME HAS A SLATED FOR A COUPLE OF STATE PARKS AND TRAILS. CHARLIE'S QUEUED US UP FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND CRAIG HAS ALSO QUEUED US UP FOR AN EVENT AT, UM, KEEPS SADONA BEAUTIFUL. AND WE HOPE THERE'S MORE, BECAUSE WE'D REALLY LIKE TO TELL FOLKS WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO. WITH THAT, I'M GONNA PASS IT TO MY COLLEAGUE, JESSICA, AND WE'LL GET INTO THE MEET OF WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. THANK YOU. THANKS, SANDY. OOH, EXCUSE ME. . THERE WE GO. OKAY, THANKS ANDY. UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT IS REALLY HOW WE GOT TO THE STRATEGIES THAT WE CAME TO THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VERY EXTENSIVE REPORT. UM, THIS GROUP SPENT A LOT OF TIME TACKLING CHALLENGES, AND THOSE CHALLENGES WERE LOOKED AT NOT ONLY FROM WHAT, WHAT THE CHALLENGES YOU MOST COMMONLY HEAR, BUT ALSO WITH THE ROOT CAUSES OF THOSE CHALLENGES. THERE WAS A LOT OF DEDICATION FROM THIS GROUP TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY WHAT THE SYMPTOMS ARE, BUT HOW WE REALLY ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF, OF THOSE CHALLENGES. SO AN EXAMPLE MIGHT BE THAT NOISE IS FREQUENTLY MENTIONED THAT AS A CHALLENGE. UM, BUT AN EXAMPLE OF LOOKING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER IS THAT THAT NOISE IMPACT IS EXACERBATED BECAUSE MANY OF THE AREAS THAT OHVS USE ARE RIGHT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR OTHER RECREATIONAL AREAS OF NON-MOTORIZED USERS. UM, THIS ROOT CAUSE ASSESSMENT WAS REALLY GUIDED BY PREVIOUS ASSESSMENT THAT ANDY MENTIONED. WORKING GROUP DISCUSSIONS, SHARED LEARNING, AND THEN ALSO THE ADOPTION OF THE INTERAGENCY VISITOR USE MANAGEMENT FRAMEWORK, WHICH THE GROUP DECIDED TO USE. THIS IS A FRAMEWORK THAT'S OFTEN USED BY AGENCIES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO INFORM THEIR, THEIR STRATEGY DEVELOPMENT FOR, FOR VISITOR USE, MANAGEMENT AND RECREATION MANAGEMENT MORE BROADLY. OKAY, NEXT SLIDE. OH, HERE WE GO. WE'RE ALREADY HERE. . IT'S GREAT. UM, SO THIS IS WHAT THE GROUP CAME UP WITH. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE VOLUME AND RECREATIONAL DEMAND WAS, THERE'S THREE BUCKETS OF OVERARCHING CHALLENGES. ONE OF THOSE WAS VOLUME AND RECREATIONAL DEMAND. UM, SO THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YOU CAN THINK OF THIS AS SEDONA IS A REALLY POPULAR AREA, AND THAT'S POPULAR FOR NON-MOTORIZED RECREATION AND MOTORIZED RECREATION. UM, THIS ALSO IS PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND ENVIRONMENT. THAT WAS THE SECOND CHALLENGE BUCKET. UM, THIS IS LOOKING AT REALLY THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MOTORIZED RECREATION IN THE SEDONA AREA ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED. UM, AND THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S USED FOR MOTORIZED RECREATION WASN'T REALLY DESIGNED FOR MOTORIZED RECREATION. UM, THESE ARE RANCHING ROADS, UH, THAT ARE ADJACENT TO REALLY IMPORTANT NATURAL RESOURCES. THEY'RE ALSO REALLY ADJACENT TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CHALLENGE IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENT. WE'RE LOOKING AT A REALLY SENSITIVE DESERT ENVIRONMENT THAT THAT IS, UM, EASILY IMPACTED BY ALL SORTS OF RECREATION [01:30:01] IMPACTS. AND THEN FINALLY, USER BEHAVIOR. AND THIS MAY BE THE MOST FAMILIAR TO ALL. UM, WE LOOKED AT ILLEGAL AND INAPPROPRIATE USER BEHAVIOR THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE, THE GREATER SEDONA AREA. UM, AND SOME OF THOSE ROOT CAUSES WERE, WE LOOKED AT WERE HOW SOCIAL MEDIA AND ADVERTISING THE, IT REALLY INFLUENCES THAT PERCEPTION OF WHAT APPROPRIATE USER BEHAVIOR MIGHT BE, THAT KIND OF TEAR IT UP EXPERIENCE THAT YOU MAY SEE IN COMMERCIALS. UM, ALSO THE TYPE OF USER THAT COMING TO SEDONA MAY NOT HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIARITY WITH MOTORIZED RECREATION OR OUTDOOR RECREATION MORE BROADLY. AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S A NOTE THAT, THAT THE SIGNAGE AND BARRIERS THAT EXIST, THE PHYSICAL BARRIERS TO MOTIVATE GOOD BEHAVIOR AND STAYING ON ROAD ARE NOT CONSISTENT OR PERHAPS NOT INFECTIVE GOOD. OKAY. SO ALL ALONG THE WAY TO, TO BUILD CONSENSUS, WE USE THIS, UM, THIS REALLY AWESOME APPROACH AND VERY ADVANCED, VERY TECHNICAL APPROACH WITH THE THUMBS. AND SO ALL ALONG THE WAY, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING STRATEGIES, WE ITERATIVELY LOOKED AT, UM, WHERE PEOPLE WERE AT, WHERE THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS WERE AT AND LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR THOSE STRATEGIES. AND SO THUMBS UP MEANT SUPPORT, THUMBS TO THE SIDE MEANT SUPPORT WITH RESERVATIONS. MAYBE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MAYBE YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS STRATEGY. AND THEN FINALLY THUMBS DOWN WAS, UM, DO NOT SUPPORT THIS. SO AS WE WERE DISCUSSING STRATEGIES, WE WERE CONSTANTLY CHECKING IN WITH THE WORKING GROUP WHERE THERE WERE RESERVATIONS OR DO NOT SUPPORT. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE RESERVATIONS WERE, HOW THEY COULD BE ADDRESSED, AND HOW THE STRATEGIES COULD BE IMPROVED. AND IN TERMS OF WHAT CONSENSUS MEANS, THAT'S NOT A VOTE. IT, UH, MEANS GENERALLY WHERE PEOPLE, THERE'S A GENERAL AGREEMENT. UM, AND THAT LOOKS LIKE GENERAL AGREEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROPOSED STRATEGY. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF ALL THE STRATEGIES THAT CAME OUT OF THIS GROUP. MARK'S GONNA GO INTO MUCH MORE DETAIL, UM, OF WHAT THOSE STRATEGIES ENTAILED. AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY DETAILED IN THAT LARGE REPORT. UM, SOME IMPORTANT THINGS TO NOTE ABOUT THIS IS THAT, AS MENTIONED, UM, THE GROUP SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THOSE CHALLENGE BUCKETS AND MAKING SURE THAT THE STRATEGIES THEY WERE PROPOSING ADDRESS THEM. SO EACH STRATEGY IS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH ONE OF THOSE CHALLENGES AND THE ROOT CAUSES. ANOTHER THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT WE HAD A LOT OF FULL CONSENSUS ON STRATEGIES, WHICH IS REALLY AMAZING CONSIDERING THE DISPARATE VIEWS OF THIS GROUP AND, AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM. UM, AND THEN ONE QUICK THING TO MENTION HERE IS WHERE WE SAY PARTIAL MOST, UM, THAT'S REALLY REFLECTIVE OF NEAR FULL CONSENSUS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN ONE AND FOUR MEMBERS NOT AGREEING WITH THE STRATEGY. AND THAT'S ALL NOTED IN THE, IN THE REPORT. READY MARK? YES. THANK YOU. THE FOLLOWING SEVEN SLIDES SHOW THE OUTCOMES OF THE WORKING GROUP, INCLUDING THE STRATEGIES AND MAIN TACTICS PROPOSED. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES THE LEVEL OF CONSENSUS FOR EACH STRATEGY THAT WAS ACHIEVED. THE WORKING GROUP USED AND MAINTAINED A DELIBERATE APPROACH TO DEVELOP THEIR STRATEGIES. THIS APPROACH INCLUDED EXTENSIVE DATA COLLECTION AND A SUBSTANTIAL SHARED LEARNING PROCESS TO INFORM GROUP DECISION MAKING FOR SPEED LIMITS ACTION. TEAM EFFORTS WITHIN THE WORKING GROUP SHOWED THAT SPEED WAS A MAJOR FACTOR IN BOTH DUST AND NOISE. AND THAT VEHICLES TRAVELING AT 15 MILES AN HOUR PRODUCE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS OF BOTH THAN EVEN 25 MILES PER HOUR. BECAUSE OF THESE EFFORTS, MANY IN THE WORKING GROUP SOUGHT A 15 MILE, MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON DIRT ROADS. PREVIOUS FOREST SERVICE ENGINEERING STUDIES ON FOREST ROAD 1 52 C SHOWED 25 MILES AN HOUR BEING APPROPRIATE FOR THESE FOREST SERVICE ROADS THAT ACCESS POPULAR OHV AREAS. SPEED LIMITS CAN ONLY BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE FOREST SERVICE IF SUPPORTED BY THESE ENGINEERING STUDIES. AND SOME IN THE WORKING GROUP FELT THAT THE PREVIOUS STUDIES WERE NOT THOROUGH ENOUGH. THE WORKING GROUP PROPOSES A NEW ENGINEERING STUDY WITH REGULAR EVALUATION CONDUCTED BY A THIRD PARTY TO UNDERSTAND CURRENT CONDITIONS IF EXISTING SPEED LIMITS ARE APPROPRIATE, AND TO INFORM FUTURE MANAGEMENT DECISIONS. A FEW WORKING GROUP MEMBERS FELT THAT THE PREVIOUS ENGINEERING REPORTS CONCLUSION OF 25 MILES AN HOUR WAS APPROPRIATE AND RECOGNIZED. THE ROADS THAT ACCESS OHV AREAS ARE POPULAR FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS FOR PERMIT SYSTEMS REQUIRING A PERMIT SYSTEM FOR RECREATION ON FOREST SERVICE LANDS REQUIRES WELL-FOUNDED REASONING AND AN INTENSIVE REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS. IT IS LIKELY A LONGER TERM STRATEGY. OUR CO CONVENERS WERE HONEST ABOUT THE CHALLENGES RELATED TO A PERMIT SYSTEM, WHICH ALLOWED THE WORKING GROUP TO HAVE INFORMED DISCUSSIONS TO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE. OHV VOLUME REMAINS A PRIMARY ROOT CAUSE OF SOCIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS IN THE AREA. AND A PERMIT SYSTEM IN THE ASSOCIATED TACTICS WERE VIEWED BY THE WORKING GROUP AS AN IMPORTANT TOOL FOR MANAGING VOLUME IN THE SEDONA REGION. ONE WORKING GROUP MEMBER DID EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT HOW THIS PERMIT SYSTEM MAY IMPACT ALREADY PERMANENTED BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA. [01:35:02] CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS WITH ROCK WERE RECOGNIZED TO HAVE POSITIVE EFFECTS ON VOLUME, USER RELATED IMPACTS AND USER BEHAVIOR. AN EXAMPLE BEING THE CONTINUED MODIFICATION OF VEHICLES TO INCLUDE MUFFLERS THAT REDUCE NOISE FROM THEIR CURRENT LEVELS. CONTINUING THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BUSINESSES IN ROCK WAS ALSO VIEWED AS A WAY TO ADDRESS A VARIETY OF PRIORITIES THROUGH POSITIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN LENGTHY FEDERAL REVIEW APPROVAL PROCESSES WITH THE BENEFIT OF SEEING POSITIVE RESULTS IN A SHORTER TIMEFRAME FOR MOTORIZED SYSTEM PLANNING. THE TACTICS RELATED TO DESIGNING AND CONSTRUCTING AN APPROPRIATE OHV ROUTE SYSTEM ESTABLISH THE BLUE BLUEPRINT FOR THE STRATEGY. THESE TACTICS AIM TO ENSURE THAT A SYSTEM ADDRESSES IMPACTS AND DOES NOT RECREATE OR INCREASE THOSE IMPACTS. AND PROPOSES SIDEBOARDS FOR A THIRD PARTY OHV PLANNER TO USE AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT FOR THE STRATEGIES. THE CONTINUED INVOLVEMENT OF THE WORKING GROUP IN PLANNING A MOTORIZED SYSTEM. AND THE GSRC VIEWS THIS INVOLVEMENT AS A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO ITS SUCCESS. DEFINING EXPERIENCES SPEEDS, ACCESS, ROUTES AND SAFETY CAN ADDRESS MANY CHALLENGES IDENTIFIED, BUT IS UNDERSTOOD TO HAVE A LONGER TIMEFRAME. SHORTER TERM PLANNING AND ROUTE MODIFICATIONS SUCH AS REALIGNING FOREST ROAD 1 52 C AWAY FROM THE ASTRAY NOCHE NEIGHBORHOOD AND A REDESIGN OF THE BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD ARE SEEN AS OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. A COUPLE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS DID EXPRESS CONCERN OVER THE POTENTIAL LOCATION OF A MOTORIZED TRAIL SYSTEM. AND THE CHALLENGES RELATED TO A NEW SYSTEM BEING A POTENTIAL DESTINATION FOR OHV USE IN THE AREA. INCREASING EDUCATIONAL MESSAGING AND OPPORTUNITIES IN THE AREA WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF CURRENT EFFORTS FROM OUR COVE AGENCIES AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON PROGRAMMING ON THE GROUND. RESTORATION AND SIGNAGE PRESENTING UNIFIED MESSAGING AND BRANDING WILL ACHIEVE GREATER VISIBILITY AND IMPACT. AND THE WORKING GROUP SEES CURRENT EFFORTS AS BEING IMPORTANT TO SEEING IMPROVEMENTS ON THE LAND AND WANTS TO STRENGTHEN THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE PROGRAMS IN THE AREA. CONTINUING COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS WITHIN THE COOCH CONVENERS AND ACTIVE INPUT FROM THE WORKING GROUP WILL BE IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE TACTICS. THESE ARE CURRENT EFFORTS HAPPENING IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE THAT ARE LOOKING AT EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR OHV USERS THAT MIRROR THE SENTIMENTS PRESENTED IN THE REPORT. AND SOME OF OUR WORKING GROUP MEMBERS ARE ACTIVE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AN ASSESSMENT OF AN ASSESSMENT OF THE SIGNS AND BARRIERS BEING UTILIZED IS AN EFFECTIVE STARTING POINT FOR IMPROVING COMMUNICATION VIA SIGNAGE AND USING BARRIERS TO PREVENT DAMAGE AND RESTORE IMPACTED AREAS. UNDERSTANDING CURRENT NEEDS AND ACTING ON THEM WITH MORE EDUCATION, INFORMATIONAL MESSAGING AND PHYSICALLY PREVENTING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ARE VIEWED AS SHORT-TERM ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT ARE PREVENTATIVE RESPONSIVE AND CONTINUE TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS IN PLACE. THE WORKING GROUP RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF ONGOING MONITORING TO BEST ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE ON THE LAND AND TO UNDERSTAND CHANGES AND TRENDS TO MAKE SURE THE STRATEGY REMAINS EFFECTIVE. AND THE FINAL STRATEGY WE'LL PRESENT TODAY IS LAW ENFORCEMENT. COORDINATED ENFORCEMENT AND VISITOR CONTACT EFFORTS WILL ALSO IMPROVE USER EDUCATION AND AWARENESS AND ENSURE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OF OHV RELATED LAWS WILL HAVE THE IMPACT THAT'S INTENDED. THE WORKING GROUP IN CO-CONVENERS SEE OPPORTUNITY IN THE GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIPS AND ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT THAT GSRC HAS CONTRIBUTED TO AND IS ENCOURAGED BY THE COOPERATION THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. THIS IS ANOTHER ARENA THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED AT THE STATE LEVEL ALONG WITH ONGOING EFFORTS TO STRENGTHEN THE EFFECTIVENESS OF EXISTING LAWS, LANGUAGE CHANGES. OUR LAW AND POLICY ACTION TEAM PUT FORWARD IN THEIR REPORT ARE BEING DISCUSSED AT THIS LEG LEGISLATIVE LEVEL TO SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THEIR WORK TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND MAKE CITATIONS MORE ENFORCEABLE IN OUR COURTS. OKAY. AND OUR LAST SECTION HERE IS JUST TO FOCUS IN ON WHAT THE ACTION TEAMS ARE DOING. SO AS, LEMME JUST MAKE A SUGGESTION BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE HAVING ALL THESE SECTIONS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE QUESTIONS PER SECTION. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . WOULD YOU, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T REALLY WANNA BE INTERRUPTED, BUT, UH, EVEN JUST THE LAST SECTION, I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED UNLESS YOU WANT TO CONTINUE AND THEN HAVE TO GO BACK. ARE THEY ABOUT THE PROCESS OR, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE CO-CONVENERS ARE GONNA CHIME IN ON THE STRATEGIES THEMSELVES. SO IF, IF POSSIBLE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM THE CO-CONVENERS THAT MAY FILL IN THAT QUESTION FOR YOU, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. YEP. WRITE 'EM DOWN. OKAY. YOU'D RATHER WRITE 'EM DOWN? WE'LL WRITE 'EM DOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, ACTION TEAM EFFORTS. SO AS ANDY MENTIONED, WE HAD FIVE ACTION TEAMS THAT WERE FOCUSED IN ON SPECIFIC TOPICS. UM, AND NEXT SLIDE. UM, THESE ACTION TEAMS, THE ROLE OF THEM WERE TO MEET OUTSIDE OF THE WORKING GROUPS AND [01:40:01] TO REALLY DIVE DEEP ON THESE TOP, UM, THEY MET TO PROBLEM SOLVE AND THEN ALSO TO SHARE BACK THEIR FINDINGS WITH THE WORKING GROUP. AND THIS WAS REALLY INSTRUMENTAL FOR INFORMING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE STRATEGIES THAT MARK JUST PRESENTED. UM, WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THE, THE TIME HERE TODAY TO DO JUSTICE TO ALL THE AMAZING WORK THAT THESE GROUPS PUT IN, BUT WE DID JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT A FEW KEY OUTCOMES FROM THEM. UM, FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS AND EDUCATION OUTREACH OR ACTION TEAM, THEY HELPED US WITH THE WEBSITE DESIGN THE FORMAT OF THE AT A GLANCE MONTHLY REPORTS THAT WENT OUT TO THOSE WHO STAYED SIGNED UP TO STAY INFORMED. THEY ALSO HELPED WITH MANY OF THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET TODAY, INCLUDING THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, THE PRESS RELEASE AND MORE. UM, THE SUSTAINABLE FUNDING TEAM RECOGNIZED EARLY ON THAT FOR IMPLEMENTATION TO HAPPEN FOR THESE STRATEGIES, THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE AN INVESTMENT OF ADDITIONAL FUNDS. AND THEY CREATED A REALLY EXTENSIVE REFERENCE LIBRARY OF THOSE POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES FROM BOTH GOVERNMENTAL AND NON-GOVERNMENTAL, UH, SOURCES. THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND RESTORATION TEAM DID A LOT OF WORK CONVENING SPECIALISTS IN THE FIELD TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT ARE THE BEST PRACTICES FOR CONSERVATION AND RESTORATION SPECIFIC TO SEDONA AND ALSO SPECIFIC TO TO IMPACT FROM MOTORIZED RECREATION. AND THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THAT WORK NOW. DATA GATHERING AND MONITORING ACTION TEAM RECOGNIZE THE VALUE OF HAVING, UM, DATA FOR INFORMED DECISION MAKING FOR THE WORKING GROUP AND ALSO FOR THE LAND MANAGERS. THEY SPENT TIME WORKING ON VEHICLE COUNTS, UM, VALIDATING THE RESULTS OF AUTOMATED VEHICLE COUNTERS THAT ARE OUT ON THE LANDSCAPE THROUGH MANUAL ACCOUNTS AND HOW, AND, UM, ALSO THROUGH GAME CAMERAS. ADDITIONALLY, THEY WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN VEHICLE TYPE, SPEED, DUST, AND NOISE. UH, AND THEY HAVE SOME REALLY INTERESTING RESULTS THAT YOU CAN FIND IN, IN THE REPORT THERE. AND THEN MARK SPOKE WELL TO THE POLICY AND LEGISLATION EFFORTS THAT TEAM LOOKED AT POLICY AT THE STATE LEVEL, MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POTENTIAL CHANGES TO EXISTING POLICIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEW POLICIES. MANY OF THAT WENT, MANY OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS WENT TO THE FULL WORKING GROUP FOR CONSENSUS, THOUGH NOT ALL OF THEM. AND NOW WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE OUR COOCH CONVENERS AND ALSO SOME WORKING GROUP MEMBERS TO REFLECT ON, ON THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS PROCESS. AND NEXT STEPS FIRST STEP WILL BE PLANNING AND ZONING. COMMISSIONER CHARLIE PITCHER. CHARLIE, YOU'RE ON THE ROAD. . GOOD EVENING. I'M CHARLES PITCHER. I'M A RESIDENT OF YAVAPAI COUNTY. I'M THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER FOR YAVAPI, UH, ONE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY. AND I'VE BEEN THE COUNTY'S REPRESENTATIVE. SO WHERE THE COUNTY HAS REALLY FOCUSED THEIR EFFORTS SINCE THE OHV PROBLEMS PER SE DON'T HAPPEN IN ON COUNTY LAND WHERE WE CAN ENFORCE IT, BUT THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE FOREST SERVICE LANDS. SO WE'RE WORKING HARD. AND WE JUST HAD A BILL THAT WAS INTRODUCED BY OUR, UH, PRO BONO LOBBYISTS THAT WORKS WITH OUR, MY, OUR COUNTY SUPERVISOR, BILL 1176, THE FIRST BILL TO GET UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM APPROPRIATIONS TO PROVIDE FOR ONGOING STATEWIDE FUNDING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR OHV. SO THIS IS, YOU NEVER GET UNANIMOUS FROM APPROPRIATIONS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA 'CAUSE IT MEANS ALL THE REPUBLICANS AND ALL THE DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR IT. . WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AS APPROPRIATE AND WE, WE JUST RECEIVED THE COUNTY JUST RECEIVED A MILLION DOLLARS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. NOW, IT'S NOT EARMARKED FOR OHV, BUT IT INCREASES OUR OVERALL ABILITY TO DO ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS IN THE COUNTY. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE ON ALL THE KINDS OF PROJECTS. THERE'S ONE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, WHICH I, I WON'T REALLY LIKE, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA MEAN IT'S GONNA TAKE ME 15 MINUTES LONGER TO GET INTO TOWN. BUT PUTTING THE BARRIERS ALONG DRY CREEK ROAD TO PREVENT THE PARKING, TO REDUCE THE SAFETY ISSUE, THAT'S NOT JUST OHV, BUT IT IS MOTORIZED RECREATION ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WHERE EVERYWHERE YOU GO IN THE COUNTY WHERE THERE'S A FOREST SERVICE PARKING LOT FOR A TRAILHEAD, YOU FIND PARKING ON THE STREETS SOMETIMES AS LONG AS A MILE FROM THE ON PUBLIC ROADS. BUT, BUT THE BIG ONE HERE IS THIS 1176, WHICH WILL PROVIDE FOR ONGOING STATEWIDE ENFORCEMENT FOR HVS. THAT'S REALLY NEXT UP WE HAVE TIM HOLT FROM THE ARIZONA GAME AND FISH MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCILLORS. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. GOOD. I'VE BEEN HERE. YOU TOO, TIM. YEAH, I'VE BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES. SO GOOD TO SEE YOU. UM, FROM A GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE, I JUST WANNA GO INTO A FEW THINGS THAT, [01:45:01] UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE, UM, DOING AS PART OF OUR STANDARD BUSINESS AND A FEW PLACES THAT WE CAN ENHANCE AS WELL. SO, UM, FIRST ONE, PROBABLY THE MOST EXCITING IS A RECENT HIRING OF A DEDICATED OHV LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR THIS AREA. HE'S SITTING RIGHT BACK HERE. RICHARD MOSES , FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE EVER BEEN IN THE POSITION OF TRYING TO HIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, IT'S NOT REALLY EASY TO DO. SO WE ARE, WE'RE REALLY THANKFUL TO GET RICH MOSES BACK. UM, AND HE KNOWS THE JOB VERY WELL 'CAUSE HE DID IT FOR US FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS PRIOR TO GOING TO DPS. NOW HE'S COMING BACK. SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE OUR OHV LAW ENFORCEMENT PATROLS SATURATION PATROLS, UM, IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE GSRC AREA WITH THE FORCE SERVICE, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND YAP, PI COUNTY. UM, AND GENERALLY WE FOCUS THESE IN THE SPRINGTIME, RIGHT? THAT'S THE BUSY TIME OF YEAR AND THE FALL. UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE OUR COORDINATION WITH THE OHV RENTAL COMPANIES STATEWIDE FOR EXHIBITION OF THE OHV SAFETY VIDEO. IT'S ONE OF THE BEST SUCCESS STORIES I THINK OF THIS, OF THIS GROUP. BUT ALL, UH, I THINK MOST OF YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY HEARD, THE OHP RENTAL COMPANIES ARE REPORTING 80, 70 TO 80% LESS ACCIDENTS. UM, SINCE THAT VIDEO IS BEING SHOWN, AGAIN, IT'S VOLUNTARY. WE DON'T HAVE A STATE LAW OR, OR ANY KIND OF ORDINANCE, LOCAL COUNTY ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO SHOW IT. SO THE, THE RENTAL COMPANIES HAVE DONE THIS ON THEIR OWN AND IT'S MADE A DIFFERENCE. SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BEST SUCCESS STORIES OUT OF THIS GROUP. NEXT SLIDE. UM, DISTRIBUTION, UH, CURRENT DISTRIBUTION OF OUR OHV EDUCATION MATERIALS IN THE FIELD AND OUTDOOR RECREATION EVENTS. THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW. UM, SOMETHING THAT IS NEW IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF AS WE PRODUCE THESE THINGS IN SPANISH. UM, AND WE SEE, WE DON'T SEE IT SO MUCH HERE, THE NEED FOR THE SPANISH, UM, ISSUANCE OF THESE BROCHURES AND EDUCATION, BUT ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE. VERY BIG, UH, VERY BIG PRESENCE FROM OUR, UH, SPANISH SPEAKING POPULATION. UM, WE'RE HOPING TO ENHANCE OUR PARTICIPATION WITH ROCK NOW THAT RICH IS HERE. UM, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE OUR COORDINATION WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE LAND MANAGEMENT PLANNING EFFORTS FOR, FOR ROUTE MANAGEMENT AND ALSO OUR COORDINATION WITH THE LOCAL LANDOWNERS, UH, PERMITTEES RANCHERS AND SO FORTH. UM, CONTINUE PARTICIPATION WITH THE GSRC FOR THE, LIKE I SAID, THE ROUTE PLANNING. UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, NOT ONLY JUST FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT AT THE CORE OF OUR MISSION THAT, UH, FROM A WILDLIFE CONSERVATION STANDPOINT, THAT THE WILDLIFE WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL DURING THAT PLANNING EFFORT. SO, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT I'VE ALWAYS HAD A VISION FOR, JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME OR THE FUNDING OF THE PERSONNEL TO DO, IS WORKING WITH OUR LOCAL COURTS TO DEVELOP A PROCESS FOR MANDATORY OHV EDUCATION. UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR ON OUR, ON OUR GAME AND FISH VIOLATION SIDE STANDPOINT THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE MANDATORY EDUCATION ON SOME, UM, ON SOME VIOLATIONS AND ALSO A DONATION BACK TO OUR, WHAT WE CALL OUR WILDLIFE THEFT PREVENTION FUND. WE'RE HOPING TO KIND OF DUPLICATE THAT EFFORT WITH THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE, UM, SIDE OF THINGS, UM, HERE IN THE NEW NEAR FUTURE, MAYBE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, BUT THAT'LL BE A LOCAL COURT THING. SO THAT'S IT FROM GAME OF FISH PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU. THANKS, TIM. NEXT UP IS MATT EVERHART WITH ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS. GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS INVOLVEMENT IN THE, IN THE PROCESS AND OUR CONTINUED EFFORTS MOVING FORWARD. I'M MATTHEW EBERHART, THE STATE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE COORDINATOR WITH ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS. I'VE BEEN SERVING AS THAT ROLE IN THAT ROLE FOR EIGHT YEARS NOW. AND AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS UTILIZE TWO OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE EDUCATION OR OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE PROGRAM GRANTS FOR A TOTAL OF $99,950 RELATED TO SDR SERVICES FOR FACILITATING THIS VERY UNIQUE AND PASSIONATE GROUP. AS WE ALL KNOW, UM, MOVING FORWARD, ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS CURRENTLY HAS A SEAT ON THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE, UM, COUNCIL AT THE LEGISLATURE WHERE OUR DIRECTOR OR HIS DESIGNEE SERVES FOR THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE FOCUSED, UM, EFFORTS. THERE'S CURRENTLY SEVERAL LEGISLATIVE BILLS RELATED TO OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE EDUCATION, SIZE AND WEIGHT AND OTHER THINGS RELATED TO OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE EDUCATION THAT WE'RE INVOLVED WITH AND LISTENING TO AND WILL CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE COMMITTEES AND, UH, FOLLOW THOSE BILLS. WE'RE ALSO CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN THE APPRECIATE AZ CAMPAIGN WITH THE OFFICE OF TOURISM AND TREAD LIGHTLY RELATED TO OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE SPECIFIC MESSAGING. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE LEAVE NO TRACE PRINCIPLES AND THE APPRECIATE AZ CAMPAIGN CURRENTLY, THEY'RE NOW GOING TO EXPAND INTO A MOTORIZED SECTION THAT IS GOING TO FOCUS JUST ON THE TREAD PRINCIPLES AND PROMOTING SAVE AND ETHICAL OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE USE THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WITH THAT, WE'LL DEVELOP TOOLS TO MAKE AVAILABLE TO CITIES LIKE YOURSELF TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN MATERIALS RELATED TO PICKING IMAGING MESSAGING SPECIFIC TO YOUR USERS AND PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY THAT WOULD HELP YOU TO PROMOTE SAFE AND RESPONSIBLE USE FOR WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVE TO SEDONA OR OTHER SIMILAR TOWNS AND CITIES RELATED TO OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE RECREATION. WE'RE ALSO WORKING AS [01:50:01] AN AGENCY WITHIN ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS. WE HAVE OUR OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT I MANAGE WHERE WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS FROM THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE COMMUNITY THAT ARE ENGAGED IN TRAILSIDE MEET AND GREETS, OUTREACH AND EDUCATION EVENTS. UM, THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH ARIZONA GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT FOR YOUTH CURRICULUM RELATED TO THE QUAIL KIDS PROGRAM, AS WELL AS A VARIETY OF OTHER RESPONSIBLE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE EDUCATION, UM, EFFORTS, CLEANUPS, TRAIL MAINTENANCE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, TREAD LIGHTLY, UH, ARIZONA OFFICE OF TOURISM AND THE STATE LAND DEPARTMENT AND TREAD LIGHTLY IN GAME AND FISH ON THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE DEALERSHIP EDUCATION PROGRAM WHERE WE'VE DEVELOPED AND PACKED 10,000 BACKPACKS. CURRENTLY 5,000 OF THEM HAVE BEEN PACKED AND ARE READY FOR DISTRIBUTION. WE HAVE JUST OVER 2000 DISTRIBUTED TO DEALERSHIPS ACROSS THE STATE WHERE AT THE POINT OF PURCHASE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO RECEIVE A BACKPACK WITH A VARIETY OF INFORMATION ON TREAD PRINCIPLES, WHERE TO GO, HOW TO BEHAVE WHEN THEY ARRIVE, UM, AND THAT'S FREE TO THE DEALERSHIPS. SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO EXPAND THAT EFFORT IN WORKING WITH TREAD LIGHTLY AND THOSE OTHER PARTNERS TO GAUGE INTEREST. WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT, I BELIEVE, A A HUNDRED DIFFERENT DEALERSHIPS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ACROSS THE STATE THAT WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO. UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 2000 DISTRIBUTED THAT ARE ALREADY GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND IT'S A CONTINUED, IT'S A PROGRAM THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW. UM, AND AS ALWAYS, ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS RECEIVE 60% OF THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE RECREATION FUND, WHICH WE DISTRIBUTE 88% TOWARDS GRANTS. AND THAT CAN BE FOR ANYTHING FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ANYTHING RELATED TO OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE RECREATION, WHETHER IT'S TRAILHEAD DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT FACILITIES, TRAIL MAINTENANCE, EDUCATION AND OUTREACH PROGRAMS, LAW ENFORCEMENT SPECIFIC GRANTS, EMERGENCY AND MITIGATION FOR THE PROTECTION OF CULTURAL SITES AND HABITAT RESOURCES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT'S OUR PRIMARY DRIVE AT STATE PARKS IS DISTRIBUTING THOSE GRANT DOLLARS. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO STATE PARKS. I HAVE A QUESTION. VICE MAYOR. WHAT, WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT IN THE POT THAT YOU DISTRIBUTE THAT WE DISTRIBUTE? SO IT'S A ROLLING PROCESS. SO THE FA EXCUSE ME, THE POT IS FILLED BY THE RESIDENT NON-RESIDENT AND ONE HALF OF 1% OF ALL GAS TAX. THOSE THREE FUNDS MAKE UP THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE RECREATION FUND, WHICH WE RECEIVE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DEADLINE OR AN END DATE. IT, IT DOES ROLL OVER AT THE END OF EACH FISCAL YEAR, WHICH OUR FISCAL YEAR RUNS JULY 1ST TO JUNE 30TH. SO WHAT'S IN THE, WHAT CURRENTLY? THE POT HAS $4.4 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR GRANTS. THANK YOU. OKAY, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALEX SCHLUTER, RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M ALEX SCHLUTER. I'M THE ACTING DISTRICT RANGER ON THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT AND A RESIDENT OF VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. AND BEFORE I GET STARTED, I JUST WANTED TO THANK ALL OF THE OHV WORKING GROUP MEMBERS AS WELL AS SDR AND THE CO-CONVENERS. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY USEFUL PRODUCT. THIS THIS REPORT BOTH FOR THE DISTRICT, FOR THE FOREST, AND FOR MYSELF BEING NEW IN THIS ROLE TO, TO HAVE THIS PALLET OF OPTIONS TO LOOK AT AND THINK THROUGH THESE SITUATIONS. SO WE'RE GONNA TALK SPECIFICS HERE. SO SHORT TERM, BREAKING THIS INTO TWO SLIDES, SHORT TERM, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING ALREADY. ONES THAT WE WANT TO START, PLAN TO START, OR ONES THAT WE WANNA WORK WITH A PARTNER TO COMPLETE WITHIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS. SO YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT FINISH IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS. SO THE FIRST ONE IS CONTINUING TO BUILD OUR PROGRAM INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY WITH PARTNERS TO GET OUT THERE AND DO THESE RESTORATION PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE IMPACTS OF OHVS. YOU CAN SEE IN THE UPPER RIGHT THERE, PROBABLY THE MOST WELL KNOWN LOCATION FOR OHV IMPACTS IS THE DONUT AND THE LEFT PICTURE IS THE ORIGINAL DAMAGE. THE RIGHT PICTURE IS AFTER INSTALLATION OF FENCING AS WELL AS SEEDING. AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THAT GREEN COMING BACK AND THE SUCCESS WE'VE HAD ON THAT PROJECT. THAT'S JUST ONE OF MANY. THE SECOND BULLET HERE, UH, RELATED TO GROWING OUR PROGRAM, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR A COUPLE YEARS TO HIRE AN OHV COORDINATOR, A PERMANENT POSITION THAT IS THEIR YEAR ROUND. THIS IS A FIELD GOING POSITION, COLLABORATES WITH OUR PARTNERS WITH RED ROCK OHV CONSERVATION CORPS AND OTHERS. GOOD NEWS, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, WE HAD AN ACCEPTANCE OF A TENTATIVE OFFER FOR THAT POSITION. SO WITHIN TWO OR THREE MONTHS, THAT PERSON SHOULD BE HERE ON THE GROUND IN THE FLESH, WHICH IS AWESOME. UM, IN LIEU OF THAT, WE'VE HAD TEMPORARY POSITIONS. SO TEMPORARY POSITIONS ARE LIMITED TO ABOUT A SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME, BUT THEY'VE, THEY'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD SUCCESS WITH OUR PARTNERS WITH, WITH ROCK, WITH FRIENDS OF FOREST AND WITH THE COCONINO TRAILS CLUB. MOVING ON TO THE FOURTH BULLET THERE, 1 52 C EYEBROW ROAD REALIGNMENT. MARK MENTIONED THIS, THIS IS A ROAD THAT A FORMER ROAD THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO 1 52 C AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE APPROACHED US WITH A PROPOSAL TO MOVE THE ALIGNMENT TO THAT FORMER ROAD [01:55:01] AND GET THAT ROAD A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCES AND REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS. IT'S, WE'VE RECEIVED THEIR PROPOSAL, WE'RE REVIEWING IT NOW. I EXPECT THAT TO BE MOVING FORWARD RELATIVELY QUICKLY, CERTAINLY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. THAT SECOND TO LAST BULLET ALSO GOT MENTIONED. THE SPEED STUDY. UM, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A SUBSET OF OUR WORKING GROUP TO HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE DESIGN A SPEED STUDY, BOTH IN LINE WITH FOREST SERVICE, UM, UH, POLICY, AS WELL AS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PERCEIVED SHORTFALLS OF PRIOR STUDIES AND MAKE SURE WE GET SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS. WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR THAT, BUT IF WE CAN FIND A WILLING PARTNER, WE CAN FIND THE CAPACITY TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. . LASTLY, UH, THE BIGGER PROJECT ON HERE OF ALL OF THESE BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD REDESIGN. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TWO BIGGEST IMPACTS OF BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD ARE TRAFFIC, CONGESTION AND NOISE. SO THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION STARTS WITH THE, THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT'S ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT. WHEN SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TURN AROUND, THEY HAVE TO DO A THREE OR MORE POINT TURN AND TRAFFIC BACKS UP. THAT EXACERBATES THE OTHER ISSUE. THE NOISE NOISE IS BAD ENOUGH WHEN OHVS AND OTHER VEHICLES ARE RUNNING BY ON MORGAN ROAD, BUT WHEN THEY HAVE TO STOP TO STAGE OR AIR DOWN OR WAIT FOR TRAFFIC INGESTION, AGAIN, THAT NOISE, UH, IS EXACERBATED AND BECOMES AN EVEN GREATER IMPACT. SO I'M HOPING TO WORK WITH YOUR CITY STAFF TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ONE OF THOSE GRANTS, MATT, WINK, WINK, UH, AND, AND DO A PROJECT TO REDESIGN THIS TRAILHEAD TO DO TWO THINGS. THE FIRST IS TO IMPROVE THAT TRAFFIC FLOW, GET RID OF THAT ONE WAY AND ONE WAY OUT, HAVE A CIRCULAR FLOW WHERE WE CAN'T PREVENT ALL OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, BUT CERTAINLY COULD REDUCE THE TRAFFIC ISSUES SIGNIFICANTLY. AND, AND PREVENT THAT. WE'D ALSO WIDEN THE ENTRANCE ROAD SO THAT IT'S TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY ONLY ONE VEHICLE BY, YOU CAN PROBABLY SQUEEZE TWO FOR THE MOST PART, BUT YOU GOTTA SLOW DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. AND THEN LASTLY, THERE WOULD BE A STAGING AREA, PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HOUSES AND AT THE TRAIL HEAD. AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THIS SLIDE. SO LET'S GO TO THE SECOND ONE. SO MEDIUM TERM. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT COULD START, YOU KNOW, SOONER, BUT REALLY PROBABLY MORE REALISTICALLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS AND THEN TWO THROUGH FIVE YEARS. THE FIRST BULLET IS REALLY CONTINUATION OF THE FIRST BULLET FROM THE LAST SLIDE, BUT I PUT THIS IN HERE AS WELL BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE VERY CLEAR THAT WITH ANY OHE PRESENCE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTS AND WE EXPECT THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO NEED TO ADDRESS THEM AS THEY, AS THEY POP UP. SO WHEN YOU HAVE ONE PERSON GO OFF TRAIL, IT MIGHT NOT SHOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT, BUT A COUPLE DO. WE NOTICE THAT THROUGH MONITORING WE WANT TO GET OUT THERE AND WITH A BIGGER, MORE ROBUST PROGRAM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD, WE CAN BE THERE FASTER, GET THROUGH OUR PLANNING PROCESSES AND ADDRESS AND PREVENT THOSE IMPACTS MORE EFFICIENTLY. SECOND BULLET HERE, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE REDESIGN THE BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD, THAT IT ACTUALLY DOES SUCCESSFULLY REDUCE IMPACTS. SO PART OF THE DESIGN OF THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MONITORING LOOKS LIKE. THERE'S BEEN SOME REALLY GOOD MONITORING EFFORTS SO FAR. OUR MONITORING ACTION TEAM, I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT TITLE, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE RIGHT TITLE. THEY'VE DONE REALLY GOOD WORK TRYING TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THAT DATA COLLECTION AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. LET'S BUILD ON THAT. MAKE SURE WE KNOW FROM THE START WHAT DATA WE NEED TO COLLECT TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS OF IS IT SUCCESSFUL OR NOT. IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, THAT'S AWESOME. I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE CAN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS. IF IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A KEY TO THE FOREST SERVICE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. OTHER MANAGEMENT APPROACHES. AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS THINKING ABOUT OUR CAPACITY AS AN AGENCY. RIGHT NOW I LOOK AT OUR ORG CHART AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH IS PRIORITY NUMBER ONE IS ALWAYS DAY TO DAY, KEEP THE LIGHTS ON, KEEP THE TOILETS CLEAN, COLLECT TRASH. BEYOND THAT, WE DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT PRIORITIES, WHICH ARE VERY, VERY BROAD. OUR DAY-TO-DAY AND OUR, OUR OUR DIFFERENT PRIORITIES FILL OUR PLATE. AND WHAT WE REALLY NEED HELP WITH AND MORE, MORE CAPACITY FOR IS THAT BROADER VIEW, STRATEGIC VIEW OF PLANNING. AND SO I'M WORKING INTERNALLY TO GET SUPPORT AND EVENTUALLY HIRE A RECREATION PLANNING LEAD TO WORK ON OHV PROJECTS AS WELL AS OTHER RECREATION RELATED PROJECTS SPECIFIC TO OHVS. IN THIS REPORT, ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT I THINK IS REALLY GONNA PAY A LOT OF DIVIDENDS IS THAT ROUTE PLANNING THAT MARK DESCRIBED. AND SO THERE'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ROLE FOR AT LEAST A SUBSET OF THE OHP WORKING GROUP TO HELP US WALK THAT LINE BETWEEN CREATING AN EXPERIENCE THAT'S A QUALITY EXPERIENCE OUT THERE THAT MEETS IT, THAT MEETS FOREST SERVICE DIRECTION UNDER OUR FOREST PLAN, BUT ALSO DOESN'T CREATE A DESTINATION AND DOESN'T BECOME AN EVEN BIGGER TOURIST DRAW. I UNDERSTAND THAT. WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA NEED HELP WITH THAT. AND THEN SEEKING FUNDING FOR IMPLEMENTING THAT IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT ASPECT. SO I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT. UM, QUESTIONS NOW OR LATER? WELL, I THINK BECAUSE OF, UH, YOUR TOPIC, ALEX, I THINK WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE DAIS, I BELIEVE AS FAR AS, UH, MORGAN ROAD, BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD. OKAY. [02:00:02] ONE SLIDE LEFT. YEAH, THERE'S JUST, UM, ALRIGHT, JUST DON'T, DON'T LEAVE THE BUILDING. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THEY'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BEHIND US FOR QUESTIONS, WHICH I KNOW YOU HAVE MANY. I WENT TO THE BATHROOM BEFORE WE STARTED . THANK YOU HONOR . OKAY, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST ONE OF YOUR OWN COUNSELOR DUNN. SO I WANNA MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THAT I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE COUNCIL AS I GO THROUGH THIS. AND I DID NOT REPRESENT THE COUNCIL. WHEN I SAT AS A COVENA, IT WAS BASICALLY AS AN EXTENDED STAFF MEMBER AT THE BEHEST OF THE, UM, FORMER CITY MANAGER, KAREN K ANNETTE HAD NO CLUE WHAT WE WERE DOING AT THAT TIME. NOW SHE KNOWS, UM, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO, TO SEE IN THE NEXT SET OF SLIDES IS BASICALLY WHAT WE AS A CITY CAN DO. RE REMEMBERING THAT MOST OF THE ISSUES DO NOT RESIDE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF SEDONA. THEY RESIDE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS WITHIN COUNTY OR WITHIN THE FOREST SERVICE. AND, UH, I BELIEVE I COULD SAY THIS WITHOUT EVERYONE ON THE DAES JUMPING ON ME. I THINK WE'RE PRETTY AWARE THAT, UM, IF THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT IS NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THESE BEHAVIORS, IT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY. UM, IT IS A PRIMARY ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THEREFORE YOU WILL SEE US, OR IN HERE YOU'LL SEE REFERENCES TO WHAT THE CITY CAN DO TO SUPPORT, BUT WE ACTUALLY ARE NOT THE OWNERS OF THOSE ACTIVITIES. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. WE DON'T HAVE THESE SLIDES, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE THESE SLIDES? NO, NO, NO. COOL THOUGHT. THERE WAS ONE SLIDE MAP FROM GREG. THEY WERE SWEAT, THEY WERE SENT LAST NIGHT. THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE, THE PREVIOUSLY DOWNLOADED VERSION AND JOANNE WAS ABLE TO KEEP THE MOST, SHE, JOANNE SENT THEM OUT, BUT THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. SO SCREEN I SEE IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT. SO. OKAY. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD? MM-HMM. PLEASE. OKAY. UM, SO I WANTED TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR FIRST OF ALL THAT THE SUPPORT THAT, UM, ISSUES THAT CAME OUT, I DIDN'T MAKE THESE UP. THEY'RE ALSO BASED ON THE DIRECTIVES THAT WERE FOUND INSIDE THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN THAT WE JUST RATIFIED. NOT THE OLD ONE, BUT THE NEW ONE. UM, AND I THINK I, I BELIEVE YOU WERE SENT ALL SENT THE DOCUMENT THAT I WROTE THAT WAS BASICALLY THE BASIS FOR THESE SLIDES. UM, KAREN REVIEWED THAT, UM, GAVE ME FEEDBACK AND CORRECTIONS AND SO THOSE WERE THEN INCORPORATED. SO ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN VETTED. THIS ISN'T, UM, MY BEING COMPLETELY RANDOM. PROBABLY A LITTLE RANDOM, BUT NOT COMPLETELY. SO BASED ON THAT, I STARTED WITH THE USER BEHAVIOR. UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE STRATEGIES THAT YOU SEE IN BOLD AND WHERE WE COULD, UM, PROVIDE SUPPORT IS THE OVERALL STRATEGY. WE CAN INCREASE AWARENESS AND EDUCATION THROUGH EXISTING, UM, AND NEW CHANNELS AND METHODS. FOR THIS, WE CANNOT SAY WE ALREADY HAVE OFFERED THE USE OF THE CITY STATE, UM, STATE LOBBYISTS. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED, UM, ALREADY WHERE WE'VE GONE IN AND, AND TRIED TO GET, UM, EDUCATION MANDATORY EDUCATION, SO FORTH AND SO ON, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED. UM, IF THERE IS A STATE LAW REGARDING MANDATORY EDUCATION, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD THEN ENFORCE THAT LAW IF THE VEHICLE IS STOPPED FOR SOME OTHER REASON. SO I'VE ALSO, BY THE WAY, HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, AS THESE WERE ALL BEING CREATED AND ON BEHEST OF THE, UH, GROUP. GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, SHARED RESOURCES THAT WERE MENTIONED, UM, BY, UH, ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND ALSO BY GAME AND FISH, THAT WE WOULD THEN USE THESE THROUGH OUR TOURISM DEPARTMENT AS THEY BEGIN TO BUILD OUT ITS STRATEGY AROUND BRANDING AND ADVERTISING. UM, THE PRESERVATION, RESTORATION OF PUBLIC LANDS THROUGH IGAS, WHICH WE CURRENTLY HAVE. INTERGOVERNMENT INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES. AND THE SUPPORT MAY TAKE THE FORM OF MONIES AGREEMENT TO FUND A STUDY, WHICH WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WHICH WAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THAT WE, THAT WE FUNDED. UM, ALL OF THIS REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, SO NONE OF THIS IS BEING GUARANTEED. ALL OF THIS ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO, UM, AS THESE IDEAS ARE PRESENTED FORWARD, UM, WE CAN ALSO THEN IN INCREASE THE USE OF APPROPRIATE BARRIERS AND SIGNAGE REGARDING THE OOHV USAGE AND BEHAVIORS. WE'VE HELPED WITH FUNDING. UM, WE'VE GIVEN INTO ROCK AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO TRY AND ALREADY WORK ON ALL OF THESE SORTS OF THINGS. SO WE COULD DO FUNDING FOR TESTING, MONITORING EQUIPMENT OR ACTIVITY BARRIER MATERIALS, INSTALLATION OF SIGNS AND BARRIERS. UM, ALL OF THESE WOULD REQUIRE APPROPRIATE, APPROPRIATE BUDGETARY [02:05:01] CONSIDERATIONS AND OR A SPECIFIC SET OF LANGUAGES WITHIN AN IGA. SO ALL OF THIS WOULD REQUIRE COMING BACK IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AT SOME POINT IN TIME. AGAIN, THIS IS NO GUARANTEE THAT ANY OF THIS WILL COME TO PASS. THIS IS JUST WHAT WE COULD DO. GOING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, INCREASING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF EXISTING SIGNAGE AND BARRIERS. UM, I THINK I ALREADY DID THAT SLIDE, SORRY. GOING TO MOTORIZED ROOT PLANNING THAT'S IN THERE. THE OTHER ONE'S IN THERE TWICE. HERE WE COULD SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF ROOT ROOT PLANNING, WHERE THE NEW OHV ROUTES ARE FOCUSED ON THE PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE, LOCAL HERITAGE SITES, ALL OF WHICH COMES OUT OF, UM, OUR COMMUNITY PLAN. WE ALSO WOULD LOOK AT MITIGATING SOCIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ON HUMAN HEALTH AND SAFETY, SUCH AS WHAT IS HAPPENING OVER AT BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD OFF OF MORGAN. SO I KNOW WE HAVE A FOCUS ON SAFETY, HOWEVER, CARL AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DATA, UM, AND AND MONITORING TEAM HAVE DONE WORK ON SHOWING HOW NOISE, UM, HAS A VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON HUMAN HEALTH AND ON HUMAN SOCIAL ACTIVITIES. SO THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ALSO COMES INTO PLAY, UM, PERMITTING TO, UH, LIMIT THE OVERALL NUMBERS OF ALLOWED OHVS PORTRAYAL. OBVIOUSLY, PERMITTING IS SOMETHING THAT'S OF INTEREST TO THE CITY. UM, WE WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF VOLUNTARY OR MANDATORY PERMITTING SYSTEMS. UM, RIGHT NOW, WE SHOULD NOTE THAT NOTHING WAS MENTIONED ABOUT PERMITTING SO FAR OTHER THAN IN THE OVERALL. UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE TO THE CITY. UM, GOING ON IS NOT ME. OKAY. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE LAST SLIDE. WE'D INVITE CRAIG SWANSON FROM KEEP SEDONA BEAUTIFUL, AND NINA BARLOW FROM BARLOW ADVENTURES . SO I'M NINA BARLOW, UH, WITH BARLOW ADVENTURES. UH, WE OWN BARLOW JEEP RENTALS HERE IN TOWN. UM, AND I AM, UM, ALSO ON THE WORKING GROUP FOR THE GSRC. AND I'M CRAIG SWANSON, UH, ON THE WORKING GROUP PRESIDENT OF KEEP SEDONA. BEAUTIFUL. AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF INTRODUCTORY THINGS I'D LIKE TO MENTION. ALL OF THE ACTIONS THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT SO FAR ARE BECAUSE OF THE OHV CRISIS IN SEDONA AND THE CREATION OF THIS GROUP. THE CREATION OF THIS GROUP HAS SPAWNED ACTIVITY THAT IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY MUCH LIKE SOLVING THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM IN SEDONA. THIS IS AN INCREMENTAL PROCESS. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ONE ISSUE, ONE EVENT THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. IT'S GONNA BE A COLLECTION OF THINGS OVER TIME THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. THE WORKING GROUP IS REALLY INTERESTED IN CONTINUING ON WITH THIS. WE FOUND THIS EXTREMELY VALUABLE, UH, AND PRETTY MUCH TO A PERSON. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT STEPS, AND PART OF THAT IS PROVIDING THE STRATEGY ON PRIORITIZATION. THESE ARE TASKS THAT THE FOREST SERVICE WILL TACKLE. GSRC ISN'T GONNA TACKLE IT. THE WORKING GROUP ISN'T GOING TO TACKLE IT, BUT WE'RE READY TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE, UH, TO THE CO-CONVENERS AS THEY WORK ON PRIORITIZING THESE. AND I WANT TO NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S ANY TIME ONE OF THE CO-CONVENERS STARTS TAKING ACTION ON ONE OF THESE. THEIR PROCESS IS GONNA INCLUDE ROBUST PUBLIC OUTREACH. EVEN THOUGH THE PAPER SAID THAT, UH, OUR MEETINGS WERE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC, WE NEVER INTENDED THIS TO BE A PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS. THE PUBLIC OUTREACH COMES WHEN A PROPOSAL FOR CHANGE IS MADE. AND UNTIL THEN, THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH, UH, IS NOT IN THE CARDS. SO WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO HELP ANY WAY WE CAN ON PRIORITIZING THE STRATEGIES. OKAY. UM, UH, AS CRAIG SAID, THIS IS NOT, UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOME SHORT TERM THINGS, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME ALL RIGHT. THERE ARE SHORT TERM THINGS. THERE ARE LONG TERM THINGS, BUT I THINK MOST OF US IN THE WORKING GROUP UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT, UM, A ONE AND DONE SORT OF THING. THIS IS ONGOING, POTENTIALLY INDEFINITELY. THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMETHING. SO, UM, THE, UH, WITH REGARD TO TRIBUTE, LET'S DISTRIBUTING EXISTING AND NEW COMMUNICATION EDUCATION EFFORTS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE TOPICS WHERE WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. WE HAVE AMAZING RESOURCES WITH, UH, ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS AND GAME AND FISH WHO HAVE ALREADY CREATED SOME AMAZING THINGS AS WELL [02:10:01] AS TREAD LIGHTLY. AND, AND AS MELISSA MENTIONED, CAN BE INTEGRATED WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY'S NEW DESTINATION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. UH, EXISTING CHAMBER THINGS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, THROUGH THE BUSINESSES THEMSELVES. UM, SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S JUST CONNECTING DOTS. THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN EASY THING. AND A LOT OF THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. AS TIM MENTIONED, THE GAME AND FISH VIDEO HAS, UM, JUST HAD A TREMENDOUS POSITIVE RESULT ON, ON THE RENTAL INDUSTRY HERE. UM, AND SO IT'S THE, THE, LIKE I SAID, NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL, CONTINUING WITH GREAT THINGS WE ALREADY HAVE. SO THAT IS A, A, A QUICKER THING, AND ONGOING. AND, AND WHEN THE STRATEGIES ARE PRIORITIZED, AND ONE OF THE CO-CONVENERS TAKE BEGINS TO TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING, AND THE OUTLINE OF THE STEPS THEY'RE GONNA TAKE, STARTS FIRMING UP. THE NEED FOR MONEY IS GONNA COME INTO PLACE THAT MAY BE SUPPLIED BY THE COVENA THEMSELVES. THEY MAY COME TO THE WORKING GROUP AND SAY, YOU GUYS DID ALL SORTS OF, UH, EXPLORATION INTO FUNDING SOURCES. WELL, HERE'S OUR PROJECT. WHAT SHOULD WE GO AFTER? WE'RE THERE TO HELP IN ANY WAY WE CAN TO SECURE THE NECESSARY FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT PROJECTS THAT THE CO-CONVENERS INSTIGATE. UM, I, I THINK MONITORING WA WAS MENTIONED ALSO ALREADY, UH, THESE THINGS AS WE, SOME OF THESE PROPOSED STRATEGIES ARE IMPLEMENTED, MONITORING THEIR EFFECTIVENESS IS OF COURSE, UH, CRITICAL TO THAT. UM, AND SOME OF THE PHYSICAL THINGS THAT, UH, LIKE THE, UH, ROCK IS DOING ALREADY AND CAN CONTINUE TO DO AND CAN, AND, AND SOME OF THE WORK WE DID WITH BRIAN PRO, PRO BRIAN P , UM, YEAH, HE, HE WAS REALLY INSTRUMENTAL, UM, IN THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL AND RESTORATION GROUP ON, UM, SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES FOR, UM, THE NEED FOR CLOSURE AND REMEDIATION AND STUFF ON THE GROUND. SO, UH, WHERE SIGNAGE IS NEEDED, WHERE BARRIERS ARE NEEDED, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO, UM, MONITOR THE WORK WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE LEARN CARRYING FORWARD TO DO BETTER ON NEW PROJECTS. SO, AND LOBBYING FOR CHANGES, UH, PARTICULARLY AT THE STATE LEVEL IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WE ALL KNOW ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE THE STATE OF ARIZONA DEEMS IN ITS WISDOM THAT O HVS ARE STREET LEGAL. WELL, THAT FIGHT TO CHANGE THAT WITHIN ARIZONA IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY. CHARLIE MENTIONED BILL 1176. WE, THE MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP, PARTICULARLY MEMBERS OF NONPROFITS, ARE HERE TO HELP COMMUNICATE TO THE COMMUNITY WHAT THOSE INITIATIVES ARE, WHAT WE NEED HELP FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND LETTING THE LEGISLATORS KNOW THEY NEED TO DO. THE CO-CONVENERS CAN'T LOBBY THEMSELVES. THEY CAN'T DO THAT. IT HAS TO BE THE PUBLIC THAT LOBBIES FOR CHANGES. AND ONE OF OUR ACTION TEAMS, THE LAW AND POLICY ACTION TEAM IDENTIFIED A HOST OF THINGS WITHIN CURRENT CODE THAT DESPERATELY NEED CHANGING. AND IT'S UP TO US TO GET A MOVEMENT GOING, ESSENTIALLY AMONG THE PUBLIC TO TELL OUR LEGISLATORS IT'S TIME TO TAKE ACTION ON THESE THINGS, AND WE'RE READY TO DO SO. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A LONG TERM EFFORT. CONVINCING THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN CHARLIE'S UNANIMOUS VOTE IN THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE IS A HARD THING TO DO, BUT WE'RE READY TO ASSIST ON IT. GREAT. OKAY. AND THESE GUYS ARE SO COMMITTED. THEIR NEXT MEETING IS MAY 9TH. UM, WE KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THANKS FOR BEING PATIENT, BUT I WAS INSPIRED EARLIER BY THE POETRY AND THE ARTS, AND I WANTED TO QUOTE ONE OF OUR DEDICATED WORKING GROUP MEMBERS IN, IN ONE OF THEIR SIGNATURES. AND IT SAYS, NEVER DOUBT THAT A SMALL GROUP OF THOUGHTFUL, COMMITTED CITIZENS CAN CHANGE THE WORLD. IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY EVER HAS. AND THAT'S A MARGARET MEAD QUOTE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, DEANNA. THANK YOU, RANDY. I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. UH, I'M SURE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I'LL LET THE COUNSELOR GO FIRST. ANY, ANY OF THE COUNSELORS WISH TO START? I, I JUST HAVE A PROCESS QUESTION, VICE MAYOR. YEAH. SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR, FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE AND FOR THIS REPORT, WHAT HAPPENS NOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE STRATEGIES, BUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THOSE STRATEGIES TURN INTO ACTIONS? I'LL TAKE A STAB AT [02:15:01] THAT FIRST, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CO-CONVENERS, WHO ARE THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTERS OF THOSE DECISIONS. UM, IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, AS YOU HEARD FROM CRAIG AND NINA, THE WORKING GROUP IS STILL REALLY COMMITTED TO ENGAGING ON THE TOPICS AND BEING OF USE TO THE CO CONVENERS WHENEVER THEY CAN. AND SO THERE'S STILL PLANS FOR CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT FOR THE WORKING GROUP, AND THE CO-CONVENERS ARE WELCOME TO, TO BRING ANY ASK THEY HAVE OF THAT GROUP. UM, SO THERE'S ONE NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF CONTINUED WORKING GROUP ENGAGEMENT, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CO-CONVENERS IF THEY'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING. GOOD EVENING STILL. UM, MEMBER MAYOR MEMBERS, UM, AS I MENTIONED, ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS, THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED ON OUR SLIDES WE'RE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN. UM, I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE FUNDING ACTION TEAM RELATED TO THIS WORKING GROUP AS WELL. UM, AND SO WE LOOKED AT A WIDE VARIETY OF NOT JUST STATE PARK DOLLARS, BUT FEDERAL FUNDING, MANUFACTURER FUNDING, AND A VARIETY OF OTHER SOURCES THAT COULD BE UTILIZED TO HELP IMPLEMENT ANY NUMBER OF THE STRATEGIES THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THIS DOCUMENT. SO WHETHER IT'S EDUCATION AND USER BEHAVIOR, WHETHER IT'S ROUTE SYSTEM PLANNING, UM, BUT BASICALLY STATE PARKS IS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THIS GROUP TO IDENTIFY WAYS THAT WE CAN, WHETHER WE USE STATE PARKS FUNDING OR OTHER FUNDING POOLS TO HELP BRING FORWARD CHANGE, UM, AND POSITIVE FEEDBACK RELATED TO OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE RECREATION ALONG WITH THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE ALREADY ENGAGED WITH, LIKE THE APPRECIATE AZ PROGRAM. SO REALLY WE'RE LOOKING TO THIS WORKING GROUP TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT WHAT IT WAS ALREADY HAPPENING AND WHAT WE'RE ALREADY ENGAGED IN. THANK YOU. PETE, YOU FOLLOW UP? YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, YEAH, AS A FOLLOW UP, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU WHETHER ANY OF YOUR GRANT DOLLARS HAVE BEEN USED HERE LOCALLY WITHIN THE GS GSRC AREA, YET YOU HAVE APPLICATIONS ON FILE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, OR WHAT IS THE LOCAL IMPACT FOR US AT THE FUNDING THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE? YEAH, SO CURRENTLY SINCE THE, UH, SO IN 2017, WE INITIATED WHAT WE CALL OUR SUPPLEMENTAL OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE GRANT PROGRAM. PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS TWO COMPETITIVE CYCLES, ONE IN JANUARY, ONE IN JULY. SINCE THEN, WE'VE TRIED TO DIVERSIFY THE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE AND HOW IT'S SPENT TO EXPEDITE FUNDING. WITH THAT CAME A LAW ENFORCEMENT SPECIFIC CATEGORY, ONLY OPEN TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES. THAT'S THE AVA PI, COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, COCONINO COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE US FOREST SERVICE, WHETHER IT'S FLAGSTAFF OR SEDONA RANGER DISTRICT. AND SINCE THAT PROGRAM INITIATED, WE'VE AWARDED $2.5 MILLION IN LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY SPECIFIC GRANTS. 9% OF THOSE GRANTS HAVE BEEN AWARDED TO COCONINO COUNTY, AND 7% HAVE GONE TO YAVAPAI COUNTY. AND WE ALSO HAVE INTERACTIVE TOOLS ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE WE HAVE A HISTORY OF ALL OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE AND OUR 13 OR 14 OTHER PROGRAMS AND INTERACTIVE MAP WHERE YOU CAN CLICK ON THE PROJECT AND IDENTIFY THE AMOUNT THAT WAS AWARDED, WHO IT WENT TO, WHAT THE PROJECT WAS FOR. ON OUR STATE PARKS WEBSITE, WE ALSO HAVE AN ACTIVE GRANT TRACKING SHEET FOR ANY ACTIVE GRANTS THAT SHOWS THE PROGRESS, WHO IT WAS AWARDED TO, WHAT FOR HOW MUCH MATCH AMOUNTS, AND THEN THE TOTAL IMPACT OF THAT PROJECT. SO A AWESOME THAT THE COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE APPLIED FOR THAT. DID, UH, FOREST SERVICE FISHER GAME, ANYBODY ELSE APPLY TO YOU AT THIS? THAT'S, THAT'S AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. SO WHETHER I CAN GIVE YOU STATISTICS OH, AT THE CAN AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, I, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, SO YAVAPAI COUNTY, AND IT'S A VARIETY OF ENTITIES WITHIN THAT COUNTY. AND I CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU THE SPECIFIC BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THOSE AGENCIES WERE BY COUNTY IF NEEDED. BUT IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE CURRENTLY. GREAT. THANK YOU. CAN I, A CONSULT JUST TO ASK FOR EXPLANATION TO WHAT HE JUST SAID? WE HAVE ALL FOLLOW UPS. OKAY. GO AHEAD, KATHY. YEAH, I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FOLLOW UP, UM, SOME OF THE, THE COMMITMENT GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL PUT DOWN AS NEXT STEPS. SO I'M READING THIS AS THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO SEE THESE THINGS THROUGH. SO FOR AN EXAMPLE, THE MANDATORY OHV EDUCATION, UM, WHO DEVELOPS THAT AND WHO'S SPENDING THE MONEY TO DEVELOP THAT? WHERE'S THE COMMITMENT TO SEE THIS TURN INTO AN ACTUAL THING THAT HAPPENS? THAT'S WHAT I'M, WHAT I UNDERSTAND IN TERMS OF THE MANDATORY EDUCATION, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE WORKING GROUP IS THAT THAT BE, BE DEVELOPED BY ARIZONA GAMENT FISH DEPARTMENT, WHO ALREADY HOSTS A SERIES OF EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS. NOW, OF COURSE, THAT CHANGE WILL HAVE TO COME FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND HOW THAT'S IMPLEMENTED WILL BE DETERMINED BY THAT. SORRY, I THINK JUST TO MAKE COMMENTS ON STRATEGIES IN GENERAL, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE BROAD THEN. WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT ONE THING. THIS TAKES CONTINUED DIALOGUE AND YOU KNOW, MELISSA HAS ALREADY OFFERED HER HEAT [02:20:01] MAP. WE'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. BUT, BUT HERE WE ARE, RIGHT? WE HAVE THESE SET OF STRATEGIES. SOME ARE REAL EASY TO IMPLEMENT AND TAKE A LITTLE MONEY. SOME ARE NOT SO EASY TO IMPLEMENT AND TAKE A LOT OF MONEY. CAPACITY IS NEEDED FOR THOSE. SOME ARE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND WILL TAKE LONGER. AND SO THE ONLY THING WE CAN SAY IS THAT WE'RE HERE, WE'RE COMMITTED, WE'RE MEETING ON MAY 9TH, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE AND WE CAN COME BACK AND IT WILL BE OPEN AND WE CAN REPORT BACK ON THOSE THINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND WE TAKE DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL ON WHAT YOU THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT TONIGHT. CAN I, CAN I LET VICE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, MY TIME BECAUSE I THINK IT'S DIRECTLY RELATED. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. UH, THE MAYOR AND I WENT DOWN AND MET WITH THE LEGISLATURE ON THE ISSUE OF OHVS AND MANDATORY EDUCATION WAS ONE OF THEM. AND WE WERE TOLD THERE WAS NO SUPPORT FOR MANDATORY EDUCATION. ZERO ZIP, ZILCH NOT HAPPENING. THAT'S, UH, SENATOR KERR TOLD US THAT YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO THAT? THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, UH, PETE FIRST AND THAT I WASN'T DONE. OKAY. SO, OKAY. I, I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT SOME OF THESE, SOME THINGS ARE EASIER THOUGH. THERE'S A LOW FRUIT, RIGHT? WE ALL WANNA GO FOR WHEN WE CAN. I GUESS IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE THAT BROKEN DOWN IN THE WAY THAT IF THERE WASN'T, THERE'S GOING TO BE NEEDS FOR THIS GROUP TO KEEP GOING, TO GET SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AREN'T THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR SUPPORT FOR THAT. I GUESS WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS, IS THERE A CHART THAT YOU COULD DO? THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THERE'S SUPPORT, THERE'S NOT A MONETARY INVESTMENT VERSUS, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I, I, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM BROKEN DOWN. ONE, ONE OF THE SLIDES DID IT, ONE OF YOUR, UM, I THINK IT WAS ALEX DID THAT, BROKE IT DOWN INTO, HERE'S ZERO TO THREE YEARS. HERE'S TWO TO FIVE YEARS. I GUESS, I GUESS I WANT AN UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OF THESE THINGS OF WHERE THEY FALL ON THAT SO THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHAT KIND OF COMMITMENT IS NEEDED FROM EACH GROUP, FROM EACH FINANCIAL PARTICIPANT. WHAT IS THE REAL CHANCE OF ONGOING COMMITMENT AND, AND SUCCESS FOR EACH OF THEM. SO I'M, I'M TRYING, I JUST WANT TO TRY AND WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT BETTER. SO, KATHY, WE WANT THAT TOO. EVERYBODY IN THE GROUP WANTS THAT. MELISSA WANTS MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE. 'CAUSE SHE'S VERY PROCESS ORIENTED AND SHE'S GONNA HELP US DO THAT. UM, BUT THAT IS THE INTENTION. AND SO, UM, WE CAN BUCKET THEM IN THE WAY THAT WE THINK IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. KIND OF LIKE ALEX HAS STARTED WITHIN A ONE TO THREE MONTHS. UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHICH THINGS ARE MORE IMPLEMENTABLE AND WHY WE CAN START TO PUT PRICE TAGS ON THINGS. WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, THAT REALLY IS THE INTENTION OF THE NEXT PHASE. IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? I MEAN, WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU ADD? STAY TUNED. CAST WILLIAMSON AND I, I'M GONNA WEIGH IN. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, I, I WANNA ADDRESS THAT FROM THE WORKING GROUP'S PERSPECTIVE. THE WORKING GROUP WAS MAKING A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS. WE CAME UP WITH IDEAS, WE CAME UP WITH THEM WITHOUT THE, UH, CO-CONVENERS VOTING ON THEM. WE DIDN'T LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY, IS THIS ONE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTABLE? NOW OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING OFF THE WALL, WE WOULDN'T HAVE INCLUDED IT, BUT WE DIDN'T MAKE THOSE JUDGEMENTS. WHAT WE DID IS PROVIDED THE CO-CONVENERS WITH A MENU OF THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE WILL HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM. NEVER EXPECTING THAT THIS REPORT IS GOING TO COME AND SAY, HERE'S THE ORDER THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE PLACE. HERE'S WHAT THE CO-CONVENERS COMMIT TO DO. THAT'S THE NEXT STEP. THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE RESULTS OF WHAT WE DID, OUR DOCUMENT, DIGEST IT, ANALYZE IT, COME BACK TO US. WE HAVE SUGGESTED TIMEFRAMES AND SUGGESTED DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR A NUMBER OF OUR ACTIVITIES. WELL, THAT WAS OUR GUESS THAT IT SEEMED AS IF THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A SHORT TERM OR A LONG TERM OR LESS EXPENSIVE OR MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT WE KNEW THEY WEREN'T GOING, THIS DOCUMENT WASN'T GONNA HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHEN THINGS WERE GONNA HAPPEN BY WHOM, HOW THAT ABSOLUTELY IS THE NEXT STEP. THANKS, CRAIG. CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? YEAH. OKAY. PLEASE. ME TOO. SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A GOOD DIALOGUE. I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. I GUESS WHAT I'M USED TO SITTING UP HERE IN THIS PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT, IS WHEN, UH, PUBLIC WORKS COMES TO US AND SAYS WE WANNA WORK ON SOLVING TRAFFIC [02:25:01] ISSUES, AND HERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PROPOSALS THAT WE COULD DO. THIS ONE WE THINK WILL GET US A 2% IMPROVEMENT IN TRAFFIC. THIS ONE WILL GET US A 20% IMPROVEMENT IN TRAFFIC. I GUESS, UM, I I, YOU KNOW, TO EXACTLY, UM, YOUR POINT, CRAIG, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR A WAY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH THING GETS. WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? WHAT IS THE PRICE TAG FOR IT? WHAT IS THE COMMITMENT TO IT AND TO FUNDING THAT PRICE TAG FROM A CONVENER, NOT, YOU KNOW, AS WELL, BROADER. SO I, I GUESS I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR INFORMATION LIKE THAT IN ORDER TO FRAME IT. OKAY. I THINK COUNCIL DUNN HAS AN ANSWER FOR THAT. WELL, I HAVE A PROCESS, OKAY, FOR THAT. THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WHAT FROM WHICH WE HOPE WE WOULD GET ANSWERS. SO WHEN, UM, IN, IN THE, THE BUSINESS I WAS IN, WE, WE CALL IT HEAT MAPPING. SO ONCE WE HAVE A MILLION IDEAS AND SOFTWARE, WHAT PEOPLE WANT, UM, WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT AGAINST OUR ENGINEERING STAFF AND HOW MUCH BENEFIT THE CUSTOMER'S GOING TO GET AND HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO COST US, SKILL LEVELS, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY, RIGHT? I THINK ALEX CALLS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, LIKE SOMETHING MATRIX, UH, QUADRANT MATRIXES OR SOMETHING. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU BUILD, RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU BUILD A MATRIX THAT SAYS WE COULD GET A LOT OF BENEFIT AROUND OHVS, BUT IT'S GONNA COST US A LOT. WHAT WE DON'T HAVE, AND WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS HOW WE CREATE THE COST, RIGHT? SO IF, IF WE WERE DOING THIS AT MICROSOFT OR AMAZON OR ANY OF THOSE PLACES, I KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO FIGURE THAT OUT. HOWEVER, THAT IS SOMETHING YOU NEED FROM THE FOREST SERVICE. IT'S WHAT I NEED FROM GAME AND FISH. IT'S WHAT I NEED FROM THE COUNTY. IT'S WHAT I NEED FROM ARIZONA STATE PARKS, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT. SO WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE HEAT MAPPING, THAT SHOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE FIGURE OUT ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTION. HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST? WHO'S GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT? HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE US TO DO THIS? AND HOW MUCH BANG FOR THE BUCK BASICALLY, DO WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE IN RELIEVING THE ROOT CAUSES OF, OF THESE, THESE THINGS. AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THESE GUYS HAVE COME UP WITH THROUGH THE GSRC MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT TACTICS, AND WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE START TO DO THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS. AND THAT SHOULD BE, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE, . THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE THE ACTUAL FIRST NEXT STEP. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY, ONCE WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING THERE TO COME BACK AND REPORT WHAT IT IS WE'RE SEEING AND HOW, HOW WE THINK THAT THIS WILL WORK. SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE MY RESPONSE AS, AS A MEMBER OF THE CO-CONVENERS ON THE GSRC. HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE? MY QUESTIONS? WELL, AGAIN, I'VE NEVER DONE IT WITH THIS KIND OF GROUP OF PEOPLE BEFORE, AND I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN AND UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT WAS. MY LIMITATIONS WERE, BUT NORMALLY WE COULD DO A HEAT MAP AND UNDERSTAND THE PRIORITIES AND THE LENGTH OF TIME AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, AND THE COST TO THE BUSINESS AND THE COST TO CONSUMERS. WE COULD KNOW THAT WITHIN TWO OR THREE DAYS. OH MY GOODNESS. WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THAT BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT, WHETHER WE HAVE THE RIGHT SKILL SETS, HOW MANY OF THE SKILL SETS WE NEED. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NO CLUE IF THAT HELPS. NO, IT DOESN'T HELP . IT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 YEARS. YES, I DO TOO. THANK YOU. RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T HAVE 10 YEARS, REALLY. I DON'T HAVE THE PATIENCE FOR 10 YEARS. WE GOTTA, THIS HAS STARTED IN 2016, MY QUESTION. RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE NO FURTHER ALONG, A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG THAN WE WERE, BUT IN 2016 AND NOW WE'RE STARTING THIS PROCESS ALL OVER. WELL, I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE THING. I'VE BEEN SITTING BACK LISTENING TO THE COUNSELORS SPEAK ABOUT A LOT OF THESE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS. AND THIS TEAM IS IN ITSELF A LOT FURTHER ALONG THAN WE EVER WERE BEFORE DURING THE PRIOR FOREST SUPERVISOR AT LOWER JOE WEST DURING THAT WHOLE ISSUE. BUT WHEN WE STARTED ON THIS PROCESS, I WAS CRYSTAL, CRYSTAL CLEAR, WE NEED A MEASURABLE PERMIT SYSTEM. AND FOR ANDY TO SAY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PERMITTING WAS NOT MENTIONED. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. OKAY. THEN ONE OF, I THINK ONE OF THE TWO OF YOU DID. YOU ARE CORRECT AND WE CAN DIVE DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE. NO, ACTUALLY, I, I SAID THAT IN REFERENCE TO THE COCONINO FOREST. WHEN HE LISTED HIS ITEMS, ONE OF THE, NOTHING SHOWED UP IN EITHER ZERO TO THREE OR TWO TO FIVE. OKAY? BUT THAT WAS THIS COUNCIL, THIS BODY, THIS CITY, THE RESIDENTS WERE LOOKING [02:30:01] FOR A PERMITTING NUMBER, NOT A PERMIT OF OPEN SEASON, A MEASURABLE NUMBER. UH, AARON, UH, THE NEW FOREST SUPERVISOR HAD A, AND I HAD A MEETING WITH THE FORMER CITY MANAGER WHERE HE WAS VERY CLEAR THAT SAID HE NEEDED A NUMBER FROM THE ORGANIZATION, FROM A, A COMMUNITY GROUP, LOCAL GROUP, CITIZENS GROUP, THAT THE FOREST SERVICE WAS NOT GONNA COME UP WITH A NUMBER. THAT IT HAD TO COME FROM A, AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THIS COMBINING ALL THESE MINES. OTHERWISE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A PERMIT SYSTEM, UNMEASURED PERMIT SYSTEM. AND YET IT WAS MENTIONED BY WHOEVER PERMITTING WAS NOT, IT WAS OFF THE TABLE MENTIONED OR IT'S OFF THE TABLE. SO I SEE SO MUCH DATA, SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE. YOU REALLY ARE FOCUSED ON MANY DIFFERENT STRATEGIES AND FUNDING. BUT THIS CITY, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS LOOKING FOR A PERMITTING SYSTEM. AND I THINK THESE TWO PEOPLE, I KNOW THAT ONE IS LINED UP TO DIVE INTO THE PERMITTING THING. AND SO WE, WE HEAR YOU. I WOULD NOT SAY PERMITTING IS, IS OFF THE TABLE. THERE'S A SEQUENCE. AND I KNOW THAT ALEX WILL SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. SO PLEASE GIVE HIM THE TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT. I, I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER'S GONNA BE. ALEX GONNA LET HIM SPEAK 'CAUSE WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS ALREADY, BUT, BUT NINA'S UP FIRST. I, I GET IT. AND NINA AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS A LONG TIME AGO. GO AHEAD, NINA. RIGHT. AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS KIND OF SOME OF THE OVERALL FRUSTRATIONS. OF COURSE YOU'RE HEARING, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE WITH YOU ALL THESE YEARS. SO YOU HAVE UH, IT, I MENTIONED THIS BRIEFLY THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, SO TO SPEAK, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED DOING. AND THEN THERE ARE THINGS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PERMITTING SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT MORE EXPLORING AND, AND JUST THE WORD PERMIT, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, ERIN CAN GO INTO THIS MORE. UM, BUT JUST THE WORD PERMIT IS REALLY BIG. I MEAN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REQUIRING A PERMIT FOR PUBLIC ACCESS? ARE YOU REQUIRING A PERMIT FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL OPERATORS AND THEREFORE, UH, DEFINING, YOU KNOW, RENTAL COMPANIES AS, AS COMMERCIAL OUTFITTER GUIDES? YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED IN FOR, TO PERMIT. BUT PERMITTING WAS OVERWHELMINGLY AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY EVEN FROM THE RENTAL COMPANIES WAS, UH, DISCUSSED AND IS ACTUALLY A, A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF, UM, OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. EXCUSE ME, THE PROPOSING STRATEGIES. SO , I'M LIKE LOOKING AT ANDY GOING, I DIDN'T SAY THE R WORD. UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I HEAR THE FRUSTRATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE FRUSTRATIONS THAT, BUT THE, THE THINGS THAT, UM, ARE, HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED. UM, ARE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST SITTING AROUND THAT AND TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF. NO. SAID THAT NO, I KNOW. NO, LET ME SHARE WITH YOU. YOU THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE HEARING FRUSTRATION. LET ME SHARE FRUSTRATION WITH YOU THAT IN YOUR FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FROM THIS GROUP, TURN THE PAGE ITEM TWO, IS IT GUARANTEED THAT A LIMITED PERMIT SYSTEM WILL BE PUT INTO PLACE FOR OHV USE IN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA? LIKE THE ONE IN SOLDIER PASS, RIGHT? THE ANSWER IS NO. A LIMITED USE PERMIT SYSTEM IS HEAVY HANDED MANAGEMENT APPROACH. UH, AND BURDENSOME TO, TO BOTH THE, THE VISITOR AND THE IMPLEMENTING AGENCY. WHAT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN PUTTING UP WITH THE SAME ANSWER, LOOKING FOR THE SAME ANSWER, BUT NOW IT'S BURDENSOME TO THE AGENCY. FOREST SERVICE. OKAY. AND THE VISITOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT I, AND I'M READING ALMOST THROUGH THE WHOLE THING, THE WHOLE BOOK. IT'S A NICE BOOK, , BUT THANKS, IT'S BURDENSOME TO THE RESIDENT OR THE VISITOR THAT CAN'T GO ONLINE, DO A RESERVATION ONLINE AND HAVE A PERMIT ONLINE. THAT'S BURDENSOME. I'M SORRY. THAT'S MY FRUSTRATION. OKAY. AND NINA, WE'RE FRIENDS FOR A LONG TIME. YOU AND MARY, UH, YOU DO A LOT FOR THIS, THIS CITY. YOU'RE NOT HELPING WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO I'M GONNA LET COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON JUMP IN 'CAUSE I KNOW SHE HAS A QUESTION. WELL, YEAH, I GUESS A LOT. MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, I'M REALLY DISTURBED WHEN I HEAR THIS, JUST ME, THAT SOMETHING'S LIKELY TO GO ON FOREVER. , I MEAN, FOREVER. UM, AND THAT'S MANAGEMENT . WELL, NO, IT ISN'T. AND I, I, THAT MEANS THAT WE SOMEHOW ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS FOREVER. AND WHAT ARE WE GETTING [02:35:01] FOR IT? AND WHAT I DON'T SEE IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR IT, WHEN REALLY WHAT WE WANT. AH, AND IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE PERMITS, MAYBE WE, I MEAN MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THE PROCESS. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I'M, I I FIND THIS I FIND THIS PROCESS EXEMPLIFIES WHAT GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY ISN'T. AND IT'S ALWAYS ACCUSED OF BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SORT OF SELF PERPETRATING KIND OF THING. AND SO I'M NOT, I'M REALLY NOT. I'M FRUSTRATED. I'M NOT ATTACKING WORK THAT PEOPLE DID. I KNOW HOW MUCH TIME HAS BEEN IN THERE. I KNOW HOW MUCH WORK HAS BEEN DONE. I UNDERSTAND THAT EACH OF THESE AGENCIES AS EACH OF THESE AGENCIES, AND WE CAN'T MAKE ANYBODY DO ANYTHING. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA BE THROUGH SOME KIND OF COOPERATIVE BEHAVIOR. BUT, BUT THOSE, THOSE THINGS REALLY BOTHER ME. I MEAN, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING 10 YEARS, WE ARE TALKING 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW, OR FOREVER I GUESS IS, UH, IN THE PARLANCE OF, AND THERE IS A, THERE IS REALLY A POINT AT WHICH CHURNING OUT DATA AND INFORMATION ISN'T ALWAYS SOLVING A PROBLEM, . AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT HERE. UM, WE MEAN THERE'S NO END TO THE AMOUNT OF LIKE SPEED LIMITS, YOU KNOW? OKAY, FINE. BUT THE COMMUNITY, THE LABOR'S OBSERVER ARE TOTALLY DIVIDED, TOTALLY DIVIDED ON SPEED. SO SHOULD WE WASTE ANY TIME REALLY DOING THAT? IT'S A SUGGESTION. UM, AND IT'S, IT GOES BACK TO, TO, TO WHAT COUNCILOR DUNN SAID, IT'S A SUGGESTION THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A HUGE AMOUNT OF, OF STAFF TIME OR SOMEBODY'S TIME WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, TOWARD WHAT END. UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU HAVE EXPERTS THAT HAVE ALREADY OPINED THAT 25 IS FINE. I MEAN, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I AM, UH, I'M KIND OF, I'M, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT IT'S NOT THE KIND OF THING THAT I AM, I'M NOT SEEING THE RESULTS OF THIS. I, I WAS REALLY HOPING, UM, AND, AND MY CALL, I THINK MY COLLEAGUE KATHY KINSELLA WAS, WAS PROBABLY MUCH NICER THAN I WAS ABOUT THAT SAYING SHE WOULD'VE LIKED, I, I EXPECTED TO SEE PRIORITIES, I EXPECTED TO SEE THINGS LAID OUT, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE YEARS. SO I'M SORRY YOU ARE LOOKING THROUGH QUESTIONS. I KNOW. I'M SORRY, HONOR, YOU'RE ON A GOOD RUN. SO I'M SORRY, I, I, I APOLOGIZE. CAN WE RUN THROUGH QUESTIONS? THE YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND THEN GET TO DISCUSSION PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU BRIAN. I'M SORRY, I DID GET OFF OFF TRACK'S. OKAY. IT'S OKAY. IT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US. GOTCHA. GIVING ME THE MIC. OKAY. GREAT. PERMITS OR NO, CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT IN REGARDS TO, SO OH, PERMITTING. I HOPE SO. SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO, TO, SO YOU BROUGHT PERMITS UP. YES. AND AS WE'VE CONTINUALLY SAID, THAT IS A PRETTY MUCH LAST CASE RESORT FOR THE FOREST SERVICE. THAT IS THE MOST STRINGENT MANAGEMENT APPROACH WE AT CAN CHOOSE FROM, RIGHT? SO WE ARE GOING TO TRY LIGHTER HANDED APPROACHES FIRST. SO A COUPLE OF THOSE JUST TO GIVE SPECIFICS AS TO RESULTS FROM THIS, THIS PROJECT, THIS, UH, EFFORT. SO A COUPLE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT 1 52 C ROAD REALIGNMENT, UM, THAT'S PART OF THIS MOMENTUM THAT'S BEEN BUILT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AGAIN, WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, I FORESEE MOVING FORWARD. AND LET'S TALK ABOUT BROKEN ARROW. SO THAT GRANT OPPORTUNITY IS A ROLLING BASIS. AND MATT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON ANY OF THIS INFORMATION, BUT MY HOPE IS TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF WITHIN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS TO GET AN APPLICATION IN. AND THEN THAT GETS CONSIDERED THIS SUMMER. I BELIEVE IT GETS ANNOUNCED IN LATE JULY. AND THEN ONCE THAT'S ANNOUNCED, THERE'S A TWO YEAR DEADLINE TO IMPLEMENT THAT. AFTER THAT IT'S, IT, THE STATE DOES NOT REIMBURSE AFTER THE TWO YEARS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN ACTUAL DEADLINE THAT THE PROJECT HAS TO BE DONE. I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO POTENTIALLY SPEED THAT UP. FOR EXAMPLE, I HOPE, I PRAY THAT THE CITY'S CONTRACTING PROCESSES ARE FASTER THAN A FOREST SERVICES. I THINK THEY ARE. UM, BUT IF WE CAN GET THAT KIND OF SUPPORT AND IF THAT GRANT SUCCESSFUL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN IN MY MIND RELATIVELY QUICKLY COMPARED TO SOME OF THESE TIMELINES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND ONE LAST THING ABOUT OUR, OUR STAFF AND THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE WITH VOLUNTEERS, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL PART OF THE SAME MOMENTUM. I JUST GOT HANDED TODAY, THE REPORT FOR THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS OVER THE WINTER SEASON. THIS IS JUST THIS PAST SEASON. [02:40:01] AND THEY INSTALLED OVER 3,600, UH, FEET OF FENCING, UH, 40 JUNCTION SIGNS INSTALLED TO IMPROVE WAY FINDING SO PEOPLE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY GET OFF TRAIL. UM, 12 VOLUNTEER EVENTS WITH OVER 300 HOURS. THAT IS SIGNIFICANT IN MY MIND. AND SO I GOT A COPY HERE. I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU, I CAN, I CAN UH, SEND YOU THE DIGITAL COPY LATER TONIGHT. BUT ONE THING, ALEX, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU SAID YOU APPLIED AND YOU WERE GONNA MEET WITH CITY STAFF? THAT'S FOR US TO DO THE WORK IN THE FOREST SERVICE ON BROKEN ARROW. THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP. YES. FOR THE WHERE'S, OKAY. PARTNERSHIP QUESTIONS. THIS IS MY QUESTION. , WHERE'S, WHAT'S THE FOREST SERVICE DOING FOR THE PARTNERSHIP? SO THE FOREST SERVICE, WE COULD FINANCIALLY CONTRIBUTE THE PROJECT WE ESTIMATED TO COST $750,000. I DON'T FORESEE THE FOREST SERVICE BEING ABLE TO COVER THAT MUCH. I GET THAT IN THE, UH, BUT YOU REALLY EXPECT US TO, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE SARCASTIC, YOU EXPECT US TO PAY, THAT'S THE QUESTION. 750,000, MAYBE 700,000, YOU'RE GONNA PAY THE 50, JUST A GUESS, RIGHT? BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC, PRIVATE OR PARTNERSHIP IS A PARTNERSHIP. I JUST DON'T WANT THE CITY TO BE OVERBURDENED. BUT TO ME, BROKEN ARROW IS THE LONGEST RUNNING PROBLEM IN THIS CITY. NOT TO MENTION JUST BEING OVER IN, UH, OVERRUN WITH OHVS IN GENERAL, BUT BROKEN ARROW IS THE LONGEST RUNNING PROBLEM. ASIDE FROM WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN 5, 2 5, WHICH IS ONLY A COUPLE YEARS, FIVE YEARS I BELIEVE BROKEN OUT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 20 YEARS. AND NOW WITH THE PRICE TAG OF $700,000, I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW YOU'VE MET WITH THE FORMER CITY MANAGER. I I I'M SURE WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER, BUT WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THAT CAN GO? MM-HMM, AGAIN, $700,000 TODAY IN APRIL. GIMME TWO WEEKS. IT COULD BE 900,000 OR A MILLION. 'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYMORE, RIGHT? SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU CAME AND SAID, WE THINK WE CAN KICK IN A QUARTER, A THIRD, BUT THIS HAS TO END. IT HAS TO END SOON. AND I'M NOT REALLY HEARING ANYTHING. AND THE THINGS THAT WE STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS WITH QUESTION ISN'T A ISN'T A FACTUAL THAT WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, IT WAS TO ADDRESS BROKEN ARROW AND THE VOLUME. AND WHEN WE HAD THIS MEETING 18 MONTHS AGO AND IT ALL STARTED AND THE GSRC WASN'T ANYWHERE NEAR AS IMPACTFUL AS IT IS NOW. AND WELL ORGANIZED AS IT IS NOW. WE WERE PROMISED WE'LL GET THERE. THIS IS A NEW PRO, UH, NEW PROGRESS. WE WERE TOLD LAURA JOE WEST, THAT PROCESS DIDN'T WORK. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DIDN'T WORK. SAME. THERE'S NOWHERE NEAR AS GOOD A DATA WITHOUT A DOUBT. WE STARTED AGAIN IN GOOD CONSCIENCE. GOOD. I DON'T SEE, DO YOU TO GET, GO FOR A QUESTION, BRIAN, DO YOU SEE ANY US ANY FURTHER ALONG THAN WE WERE BACK THAT PERIOD OF TIME? YES, ACTUALLY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS IF WE COULD GET ONTO THAT. PLEASE. WE'RE GONNA GET ONTO THAT. I'M GONNA LET YOU GET ONTO THAT. BUT, SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT FRUSTRATIONS LATER. GO AHEAD BRIAN. I HAVE A FOLLOW UP WITH ALEX WHILE HE'S AT THE PODIUM. HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. RYAN'S BEEN THE SOUL OF PATIENCE. YES, HE HAS BEEN. HE REALLY HAS. GO AHEAD. YOU SURE? YEP. OKAY. I'M SORRY BUT THIS HAS BEEN LONG ENOUGH. OKAY. UH, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU WORKING GROUP. THANK YOU. CO-CONVENERS. THANK YOU. SDR YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. I WILL HAVE COMMENTS WHEN WE GET TO COMMENTS LATER. QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE, CAN SOMEBODY DESCRIBE WHAT THE MODEL FOR ENFORCEMENT LOOKS LIKE OUT THERE? BECAUSE THERE IS GAME AND FISH, THERE'S JAVA, YAVAPAI COUNTY, THERE'S AMBASSADORS. I HAVE NO CONCEIVED IDEA OF WHAT ENFORCEMENT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IN A PRACTICAL WAY. I'LL PUT IT INTO CONTEXT THAT WOULD HELP ME IF SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER IN HOW WE THINK ABOUT IT. IN THE CITY OF SEDONA WHERE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THREE BEATS AND SO THERE'S A PATROL OFFICER IN EACH OF THOSE THREE BEATS AT ANY GIVEN TIME, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING COMMUNITY SERVICE. HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT DOES ENFORCEMENT LOOK LIKE IN [02:45:01] THE FOREST? SO I CAN ANSWER FROM THE FOREST SERVICE PERSPECTIVE. 'CAUSE ENFORCEMENT IS DEFINITELY A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY. SO FOREST SERVICE PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE GOT TWO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ON THE RED ROCK RAIDER DISTRICT COVERING 550,000 ACRES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE WHAT ARE CALLED FOREST PROTECTION OFFICERS. THAT'S A MUCH A SMALL GROUP OF EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF TRAINING TO DO SOME ENFORCEMENT. THEY'RE NOT ARMED AND NOTHING LIKE THAT. THEY CAN WRITE A CITATION FOR CERTAIN ACTIVITIES. THEY HAVE TO TYPICALLY HAVE TO SEE THAT ACTIVITY OCCUR. THEY CAN'T JUST INFER FROM EVIDENCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT HAS TO BE PRETTY DIRECT AND THEY HAVE TO BE OUT THERE. SO THAT'S A PRETTY SMALL CONTINGENT AS WELL. PROBABLY LESS THAN 10 FOLKS ON OUR DISTRICT. I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN HOW MANY FPOS WE HAVE FORCE PROTECTION OFFICERS. SO THOSE FOLKS ARE OUT THERE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE PERSON WE'RE TRYING TO HIRE THAT, UH, OHV COORDINATOR, THEY WOULD LIKELY BECOME A FORCE PROTECTION OFFICER SO THAT IF THEY'RE OUT THERE AND THEY SEE SOMEBODY GET OFF TRAIL AND CAUSE RESOURCE DAMAGE, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WRITE A CITATION. THE HOPE IS THAT WITH ENFORCEMENT SHARED BETWEEN MULTIPLE AGENCIES, THAT YOU ESTABLISH A CULTURE OF IF WE ACTUALLY, IF WE DO SOMETHING RECKLESS OR SOMETHING REALLY AWFUL, THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY, A SIGNIFICANT CHANCE OF GETTING CAUGHT. THAT'S PRETTY HARD WITH THE LIMITED FORCES WE HAVE. BUT THE HOPE IS THAT THE, THAT IN COMBINATION WITH EDUCATION CAN, CAN MAKE SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. TIM, THANK YOU COUNSELOR. UM, ALEX SAID IT VERY WELL. IT'S SHARED, IT'S A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY. THE FORCE HAS SOME, WE STATUTORILY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OHP ENFORCEMENT SPECIFICALLY, UM, IN STATE STATUTE. AND IF THIS OTHER ONE, THIS OTHER POTENTIAL BILL PASSES, THEN THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WILL BE, WILL BE STATUTORY RESPONSIBLE AS WELL. SO NOT ONLY DOES THE FORCE DO IT OUT OF OBLIGATION TO THE FORCE, THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE PLAYS A BIG PART IN THAT AS WELL. VOLUNTARILY. THEY DON'T GET ANY OHP FUNDING CURRENTLY FROM THAT, FROM THE $25 DECAL THAT COMES TO US FOR ENFORCEMENT AND STATE PARKS. STATE PARKS DOESN'T HAVE ANY STATE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, BUT THEY, THEY, THEY THROW THAT MONEY BACK TO THE GAME OF FISH DEPARTMENT OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR ADDITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. WHAT'S IT LOOK LIKE ON THE GROUND? I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF YOUR QUESTION. MM-HMM , UH, WE HAVE SEVEN DEDICATED, UM, OHV LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE STATE. THAT'S NOT VERY MANY. RICH MOSES IS ONE. WE JUST GOT HIM, UH, HERE FOR THIS AREA. SO I'M LOOKING, LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. UM, BUT NOT ONLY DO WE JUST HAVE THE SEVEN, THE REST OF OUR 75 FIELD OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE STATE ALSO HAVE SPECIALIZED TRAINING IN OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND WHEN THEY SEE IT, UM, THEY GO, THEY ENFORCE THOSE STATE LAWS. AND, UM, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THE SEVEN OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE DEDICATED, THEY TRAVEL AROUND THE STATE, THEY'RE EXPECTED TO TRAVEL AROUND THE STATE AND THEY GO, UM, SEDONA, WE'VE DONE ALMOST TWO, WHAT WE CALL SATURATION PATROLS IN THE SEDONA AREA IN THE SPRING. 'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S WHEN IT'S HEAVILY VISITED BY OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES. UM, AND ALSO THE FALL. SO THEY TRAVEL AROUND THE STATE AND DO THESE SET, UM, PROVIDE A LOT OF RESOURCES. SEVEN OFFICERS, THEY ALL BRING THEIR OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES. A LOT OF TIMES WE PUT, A LOT OF TIMES WE PUT OUR AIRPLANE UP IN THE SKY AS WELL SO WE CAN SEE, UM, PARTICULARLY THOSE VIOLATIONS OF PEOPLE GOING CROSS COUNTRY. SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GAME OF FISH DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBILITY. WE ALSO PUT ON A STATEWIDE, UM, OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, TRAINING PROGRAM. I THINK IT'S THREE OR FOUR DAYS LONG FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OTHER CITY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO ATTEND. SO THEY, SO THEY'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH, UM, OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE LAW ENFORCEMENT. DID THAT, DID THAT HELP COUNSELOR? IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. SO YOU, YOU BOTH HAVE SAID SHARED RESPONSIBILITY, HOW ABOUT SHARED COORDINATION? SO DO YOU ALL ACTUALLY PLAN WHERE YOUR OFFICERS WILL BE? ABSOLUTELY. UM, WE DO, WE WORK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, NOT SO MUCH THE FORCE PROTECTION OFFICERS THAT ALEX MENTIONED, BUT WE DO WORK WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNTY IT'S IN. UM, SO WE, YEAH, WHENEVER WE DO HAVE ONE OF THESE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE SATURATION PATROLS, THAT'S PART OF IT. IT'S A SHARED, SHARED RESOURCE EVENT. AND, UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE, BUT I DIDN'T, DIDN'T QUITE, OKAY, SO LET ME PUT IT IN MORE PRACTICAL TERMS. SO LET'S SAY WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY GOES BLASTING THROUGH THE FENCING AT THE OLD DONUT HOLE AND STARTS RUNNING DONUTS AGAIN. HOW, HOW OFTEN IS THERE A LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE ON THE DIAMONDBACK GULCH OHV TRAIL TO ACTUALLY CATCH AN OFFENDER MISBEHAVING? THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION. I COULD, I I DON'T, I'M NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. BUT WHEN 'CAUSE BE, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S A PROBLEM AREA WHEN OUR OFFICERS IN THAT AREA, WE ALL KNOW THAT'S A PROBLEM AREA. WE DO SPEND TIME THERE. SO, OKAY, THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER. THAT'S NOT SATISFYING. RIGHT, BECAUSE I GET THE FEELING THAT MEANS THAT MY CHANCES OF GETTING BUSTED ARE SLIM TO NONE, UH, FOR ANY KIND OF MISBEHAVIOR ANYWHERE IN THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT. NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER VIOLATION IN THE FOREST. [02:50:01] NOT SATISFYING. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. UM, WHAT ABOUT AMBASSADORS? SO, UH, ALEX I THINK YOU JUST MENTIONED, I THINK IT WAS YOU ALEX, THAT MENTIONED 300 VOLUNTEER HOURS THERE HAD JUST BEEN ON ON AMBASSADOR ACTIVITY. WHO ARE THE AMBASSADORS? WHERE ARE THEY, WHAT ROLE DO THEY PLAY? ARE THEY OUT ON SCH NIBLEY HILL ROAD? ARE THEY OUT ON MORGAN ROAD? ARE THEY OUT ON 1 52 C? WHERE ARE THEY AND WHAT ARE THEY DOING AND, AND HOW, PUT THAT IN PRACTICAL TERMS OF HOW OFTEN DO THEY HAVE A PRESENCE THAT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN ENCOURAGING BETTER BEHAVIOR FROM USERS? THIS IS ONE I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU WITH A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICS 'CAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE DUG INTO IN THE SIX WEEKS I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION. BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE EVENTS, AMBASSADOR EVENTS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH TREAD LIGHTLY. MM-HMM WHERE WE'LL HAVE YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE 'EM OUT THERE, YOU CAN'T MISS 'EM. THEY'VE GOT THIS HUGE TENT THAT'S VERY COLORFUL AND THEY TRY TO FLAG FOLKS DOWN AS THEY'RE ENTERING. FOR EXAMPLE, DIAMONDBACK GULCH JUST UP UP THE TRAIL FROM THE DONUT AREA WE JUST MENTIONED AND AND EDUCATE THEM AND TALK ABOUT, HEY, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE BEHA BEHAVIOR OUT HERE? HAVE YOU, IS THIS YOUR OHV? HAVE YOU USED AN OHV BEFORE? BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF FIRST TIME USERS AND FOLKS HAVE BEEN PRETTY RECEPTIVE TO THAT. SO THOSE VOLUNTEER HOURS I WAS TALKING ABOUT ARE MOSTLY FOR RESTORATION PROJECTS, NOT THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. I THINK THAT'S A SEPARATE PROGRAM. I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF OUR OTHER CO-CONVENERS HAVE MORE INFO ON THAT ROCK. YEAH, ROCK HAS BEEN PART OF THAT. SO NINA, YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE TO ADD, BUT UM, I CAN FOLLOW UP AND AND GET MORE INFORMATION AS TO HOW MANY EVENTS WE'VE HAD AND WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE. OKAY. IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT CONFLICT BETWEEN DIFFERENT USERS OF THE FOREST IN PARTICULAR HIKERS AND BIKERS, UM, I GUESS EQUESTRIAN AS WELL, UH, VERSUS OHVS, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THIS IS TO ANYBODY? HA HAVE YOU LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER WAYS CAN WE REDUCE SOME OF THAT CONFLICT? SO AS A FOR INSTANCE, WHEN I THINK ABOUT CHICKEN POINT, OKAY. WHETHER I HIKE OUT THERE, WHETHER I BIKE OUT THERE, I MAY RUN INTO ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO A DOZEN OR MORE OHVS AND JEEPS AND THEY'RE LITERALLY DRIVING RIGHT UP TO CHICKEN POINT. OKAY. LIKE TO ME THAT'S A CONFLICT OF USE AT THAT POINT. SO DID YOU ALL LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THOSE TYPES OF ENVIRONMENTS WHERE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE SHOULD HAVE THE VEHICLES STOP A QUARTER MILE BACK FROM SUCH A SIGNIFICANT SCENIC VISTA AS THAT AND HAVE PEOPLE WALK THAT LAST QUARTER MILE AS A FOR INSTANCE. DO YOU WANT ANYBODY THAT EVER COME UP? HAS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED? I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DISCUSSED. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER ALL THE TIME. I THINK ABOUT RED ROCK LOOP ROAD, WE'VE GOT, UH, AN AREA WHERE WE HAD VEHICLES GET OFF THE ROAD TO THIS OVERLOOK AND CAUSE SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE. NOW YOU CAN SEE THERE'S BOULDERS THERE. WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND FOLKS CAN ONLY WALK UP THERE. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION. OKAY. I CAN ADD TO THAT JUST TO SAY THAT THESE ARE KIND OF THE SPECIFIC DETAILS THAT WE, WE INTEND TO GET TO THROUGH MOTORIZED SYSTEM PLANNING IN THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM. AND THERE, THERE WILL BE CONTINUED HOPEFULLY ENGAGEMENT FROM THE WORKING GROUP ON THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS. OKAY. LAST QUESTION FOR RIGHT NOW. HOW CAN THIS COUNCIL HELP BRING FURTHER URGENCY TO ANY OF THE COVE ORGANIZATIONS? 'CAUSE WE'D LOVE TO HAVE AARON IN HERE, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A COUNTY SUPERVISOR IN HERE. WE, I MEAN, WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW HOW THIS COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT THE SITUATION, RIGHT? AND YOU'VE ALREADY CAUGHT A LEVEL OF DISSATISFACTION, RIGHT? I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR LATER, BUT WHAT CAN THIS COUNCIL DO TO HELP YOU, HELP ALL OF US MAKE PROGRESS MORE QUICKLY? WHAT CAN WE DO HELP CONTINUE THE, FROM THE FOREST SERVICE PERSPECTIVE, HELP CONTINUE THE MOMENTUM? SO IT'S, IT'S, AS I'VE DESCRIBED, WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH HIRING. WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH OUR CONTRACTING PROCESSES. IT'S FINDING PARTNERS THAT CAN, WHO DON'T HAVE THOSE CHALLENGES OR AT LEAST THOSE CHALLENGES ARE MUCH MORE MANAGEABLE AND WORKING TOGETHER TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES TOGETHER. THE FOREST SERVICE CAN ADDRESS EVERY ONE OF THESE ISSUES IN TIME, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT ALL AT ONCE. WE HAVE NOWHERE NEAR THE CAPACITY AND EVERY PROJECT WE DO TAKE ON, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE TRADE-OFFS. WHAT ELSE IS COMING OFF THE PLATO WORK? I HOPE TO TALK TO YOU ALL MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT ENTIRE PLATE OF WORK LOOKS LIKE. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GETTING IT TONIGHT, BUT, UH, IN THE COMING MONTHS, GET TO KNOW YOU ALL BETTER AND, AND DISCUSS THAT. SO IT'S JUST SUPPORTING THAT MOMENTUM, FIGURING OUT WHERE GAPS ARE WITH ANY OF THE PARTNERS SUPPORTING THAT MOMENTUM AND TRY TO TRY TO FILL THAT IN. UM, AARON IS WELCOME IS HE'S HAPPY TO COME AT ANY TIME, SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO INVITE HIM, I HAVE NO DOUBT HE WOULD LOVE TO JOIN. OH, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE HIM HERE. NO QUESTION. [02:55:01] OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO COMMENTS? OTHER THAN MY COMMENTS? VICE MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHARLIE. I, I LOOKED UP THIS BILL THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 1176 AND IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO KNOW SINCE THEY DO STRIKERS WHAT THE BILL ACTUALLY IS. BUT WHAT I FIND IS A $250,000 TO THE TRAIL FUND, IS THAT THE SAME THING? I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF THE, THE DECAL REVENUE. I DO NOT KNOW THE NUMBERS. I I I, I WATCHED THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS BEYOND MY PURVIEW , BUT I DO WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT BACK TO WHAT BRIAN'S TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S A NUMBER OF EXISTING STATUTES THAT ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE. SO WE CAN'T, AN OFFICER CAN'T WRITE A TICKET FOR A CHILD IN AN OHV BECAUSE THE COURTS WON'T ENFORCE IT BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE STATUTE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BILLS RIGHT NOW IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT CAME OUT OF THE WORK THAT THIS TEAM DID TO REFINE THE LANGUAGE SO THE OFFICERS CAN ACTUALLY WRITE CITATIONS FOR BAD BEHAVIORS. AND, AND THAT'S PART, THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL ISSUE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE MAKING UP. ALL, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TALK TO THE OFFICERS AND GO, YEAH, I WROTE THIS ONE BUT I WENT TO COURT AND THE JUDGE THREW IT OUT. WHAT'S THE NEXT OFFICER GONNA DO? HE'S NOT GONNA WRITE THE CITATION. SO THERE'S A, THERE ARE A LOT OF, WE HAVEN'T DONE WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR MAYOR, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS HAD AN AMAZING GROUP OF YOUR CITIZENS PUT TOGETHER A REPORT YEAH. THAT SAYS HERE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO. NOW IT'S UP TO THIS GROUP TO REALLY RESPOND BACK TO THAT LIST. AND THAT'S OUR JOB. AND IT WAS DONE WELL UP UNTIL IT HAS TO GO TO THEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT. COUNCILOR FURMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHO I WANNA DIRECT THE FIRST QUESTION TOO, AND MAYBE TIM I'LL CALL YOU UP, UH, TO THE PODIUM. YOU TALKED TO, UH, UH, TIM, YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SAID IT WAS GAME AND FISH THAT ENFORCES OHV SPEED AS AS OUR OHG RULES. SO MAYBE IT'S ALEX WHO, WHO, WHO SETS THE SPEED LIMIT IN THE FOREST SERVICE SECTIONS 5 2 5 FOREST. SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE FOREST SERVICE. IT IS THE FOREST SERVICE ALONG FOREST ROADS AND WE SET THE SPEED ON THE CITY LIMIT GOING INTO BROKEN ARROW. BUT YOU THEN HAVE THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE REST OF BROKEN ARROW Y YEAH. WHEN IT GETS TO FOREST SERVICE BOUNDARY. CORRECT. YEP. AND THEN ENFORCEMENT, THAT SPEED LIMIT THEN IS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY. OKAY, SO THE QUESTION I WANNA ASK, AND ANDY YOU'LL HAVE A SHARE IN THIS TOO, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONSENSUS SYSTEM THAT YOU BUILT AND THAT'S ALL GREAT AND WONDERFUL. WE ALL TRY TO ACHIEVE CONSENSUS, BUT THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD WITH MAJORITY OF VOTES . AND SO I NOTICED RELATIVE TO SPEED 19 MEMBERS SAY 15 MILES AN HOUR AND FOUR GO 25 MILES AN HOUR. WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE FOR YOU, ALEX? WHAT IN, IN TERMS OF YOUR THINKING NOW IN YOUR NATIONAL FOREST? IN, IN, IN THE FOREST SERVICE SEGMENT AND THE SPEED LIMITS, IT'S THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, A MAJORITY, A VAST MAJORITY, 80% OF THE, OF THE VOTES ON THE, ON THE COMMITTEE WERE SAYING SAYING LOOK AT US SLOWER SPEED 15 MILES AN HOUR. SO WE WOULD NEED DATA TO SUPPORT SETTING A SPEED THAT IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE THAT THAT 25 MILES AN HOUR IS, IS TOO FAST. SO FAR SPEED STUDIES HAVE NOT PROVIDED DATA THAT SUPPORTED THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND SO ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS LOOKING AT ANOTHER SPEED STUDY, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE SOME, SOME SHORTFALLS THAT WERE PERCEIVED THAT WE COULD ADDRESS. SO THAT WOULD BE STEP ONE FOR US TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE SPEED. UM, OBVIOUSLY ON CITY STREETS THAT WOULD BE LESS RELEVANT FOR US. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN THERE'S AREAS LIKE BROKEN ARROW FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ONCE IT GETS TO NATIONAL FORCE THAT SPEED IS LIKELY THE ISSUE. THE THE TRAIL ITSELF IS ROUGH ENOUGH THAT I'D, I'D BE IMPRESSED HONESTLY IF SOMEBODY WAS ABLE TO GO THAT FAST . UM, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE NOT. THAT'S TRUE. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE IN THAT LOCATION SPECIFICALLY. I'M REALLY THINKING MORE ABOUT WEST SEDONA. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND AND TRUTHFULLY I AM TOO. SO I HEARD YOU SAY SPEED STUDY AND YOU'VE DONE THEM IN THE PAST, HASN'T REALLY SHOWN IS THE SPEED STUDY ONLY ABOUT SAFETY. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS ISSUE, AND I SAID 18 [03:00:01] MONTHS AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SPEED IS THE THING THAT CAN HAVE THE MOST IMPACT HERE. SPEED IS NOT ONLY SAFETY, IT'S DUST, IT'S DAMAGE, IT'S NOISE, RIGHT? IT'S ALL OF THE THINGS. AND SO WHEN YOU DO A SPEED STUDY, IS IT ONLY LOOKING AT SAFETY OR YOU KNOW, ARE YOU MOTIVATED TO LOOK AT THE OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO SPEED AS WELL WHEN YOU SET SPEEDS FOR MOST ISSUES? WE LOOK AT A DIVERSITY OF ASPECTS, YOU KNOW, TO ALL OF THE IMPACTS. I WILL HAVE TO RE-LOOK AT THIS AND, AND FOLLOW UP AND LET YOU KNOW THE EXACT POLICY, BUT I BELIEVE ALL OF OUR SPEED LIMITS HAVE TO BE BASED ON SAFETY. SO I WILL DOUBLE CHECK AND GET BACK TO YOU. GREAT. SO WE GOT A FEDERAL LEGISLATION LOBBYIST EFFORT TO ALLOW US TO DO MORE THINGS RELATIVE TO SPEED. IF, IF THAT'S THE TRUTH, ALEX, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, SO SPEED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PERMIT SYSTEM. I GET WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THE, THIS USE SYSTEM PLANNING EFFORT REALLY IS THE NEXT EFFORT THERE. AND ONCE AGAIN, I'LL REMIND EVERYBODY OF THE, THE FACT THAT IT WAS A 22 TO ONE VOTE FROM, FROM YOUR GROUP SUPPORT OF, OF A PERMIT SYSTEM. TO ME THAT SPEAKS, UH, SPEAKS VOLUMES. UNFORTUNATELY. WE TALKED ABOUT, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK I GET THAT AS WELL. SO NOW THESE MINOR QUESTIONS I HAVE, BUT IMPORTANT TO ME, UH, IN THE, UH, REPORT, IT'S THE REPORT, PAGE 55, IT'S OUR PACKET. PAGE 2 0 8 MENTIONS THE CITY FUNDED KIMLEY HORN REPORT AND IT'S FOOTNOTE 49 WAS A REFERENCE TO THAT CITY FUNDED REPORT. AND THE, THE DOCUMENT WE GOT IN OUR PACKET, UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T, WASN'T LINKABLE MARK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A ONLINE IT'S, IT, IT, IT, IT'S LINKABLE, BUT IN OUR PACKET IT WASN'T LINKABLE. OKAY. UH, SO I WASN'T ABLE UNTIL TONIGHT CLICK ON THE LINK. 'CAUSE I WENT TO YOUR WEBSITE AND I CLICKED ON THAT LINK AND WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS REPORT AND THE FLAWS THAT WERE IN IT AND WE'D ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO LABEL THAT REPORT IF ANYONE GOT IT WITH OUR CONCERNS WITH IT. YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT REPORT ON YOUR WEBSITE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT TITLE PAGE ON IT. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REWORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND GET WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT DOCUMENT THAT CLAIMS, THAT POINTS OUT THE LIMITATIONS OF THAT STUDY. ABSOLUTELY. GREAT. AND THEN I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN MAKE, UH, YOUR DOCUMENT SEARCHABLE. NOW, I NOTICED NOT ONLY DID THE LINKS NOT WORK IN OUR COPY IN THE PACKET, BUT I COULDN'T SEARCH ON IT. AND I WENT TO YOUR WEBSITE AND I COULDN'T SEARCH ON IT EITHER. SO I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT CYCLING AT ALL AND THE CROWDING OUT ASPECTS OF OHVS VERSUS OTHER USES. AND I WAS ABLE TO KIND OF, WHEN I READ THE REPORT, I DID SEE ONE MENTION I THINK IN APPENDIX. SO I KNOW THAT THE, THE CONCEPT IS OUT THERE, BUT THE DOCUMENT ITSELF WASN'T SEARCHABLE. AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS. THANKS PETE. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE WHOLE IDEA OF, OF CHANGING THE SPEEDS. UM, DO YOU, WHAT'S THE COMMUNITY INPUT INTO A CHANGING OF SPEED, UM, DECISION BY, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITY ITSELF IS SPLIT ON CHANGING THE SPEED WHILE THE COMMITTEE ITSELF WAS SPLIT AND THE COMMUNITY IS SPLIT. SO HOW, WHAT ROLE THOUGH, DO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY'S VIEWS, UH, PLAY IN, IN YOUR CHANGING A SPEED LIMIT FOR SAFETY ? SO, UH, WE HAVE CERTAIN SPECIFICATIONS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW FOR A SPEED STUDY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, LIKE I MENTIONED, I KNOW THAT FOLKS HAVE CONCERNS, JUST LIKE THE STUDY THAT, THAT COUNCILOR FURMAN JUST MENTIONED, LIMITATIONS ABOUT THE SPEED STUDY THAT'S DONE IN THE PAST. SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WORKING GROUP TO BE INVOLVED IN ADDRESSING THOSE LIMITATIONS AS WE DESIGN THAT STUDY AND, AND BE PART OF IT THAT WAY. I, THIS WAS, WOULD NOT BE A PUBLIC PROCESS TO DO. OKAY. SO THE PEOPLE IN THEIR SAME COMMUNITY WHO DON'T WANT THE SPEED CHANGED, WOULD NOT BE CONSULTED? I, I WOULD SAY THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A GROUP OF OHV, THE WORKING GROUP TO, I'M SAYING OTHER THAN THE WORKING GROUP. THE WORKING GROUP WANTS THE SPEED REDUCED. OTHER MEMBERS OF THEIR SAME COMMUNITY DON'T WANT THE SPEED REDUCED. [03:05:01] SO ONLY THE WORKING GROUP WOULD'VE INPUT INTO THE SPEED STUDY. UM, I ALSO, OKAY. I, I SHOULDN'T ASK. SO WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION? , RATHER THAN ME PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, CAN YOU REPHRASE IT? UH, YES. YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY WHERE, UH, IT'S NOT A BIG COMMUNITY WHERE SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE MOST AFFECTED WANT THE SPEED LIMIT REDUCED. THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE SELF SAME COMMUNITY THAT ARE NOT ON THE WORK GROUP WHO DON'T WANT THE SPEED REDUCED. ARE THERE VIEWS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU CHANGE SPEED OR NOT? GOT IT. , I THINK, I THINK THERE'S AN UNDERESTIMATION HERE OF THE DIVERSITY OF OUR WORKING GROUP. I THINK EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS MOSTLY CONSENSUS ON THIS, THERE IS A VAST DIVERSITY OF VIEWS THAT I THINK CAN BE REPRESENTED IN CONVERSATION AND IN ESTABLISHING A SPEED STUDY, I WOULD HESITATE TO OPEN IT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, FOR EXAMPLE. I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU DO, I'M ASKING, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. AND SO I, I WOULD NOT COMMIT TO IT AT THIS POINT, BUT THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES. WELL, I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU CHANGE YOUR PROCESS AT ALL. I'M ASKING WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS, AS CURRENTLY IMAGINED, THE ANSWER IS, IS NO. IT WOULD BE THE WORKING GROUP WOULD HAVE INPUT AND YOU WOULD DO YOUR THING. UM, SO YOU'LL AT SOME POINT COME BACK WITH AN, WITH A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE SPEED STUDY. UM, THAT PRESUMABLY WILL GIVE YOU THE RESULTS THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE WORK GROUP WANT IS, I MEAN, IS SO YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THE SPEED STUDY. IS THAT WHAT WE COULD HEAR IN THE FUTURE? SO IT WAS LISTED THERE. WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING NECESSARILY SET ASIDE FOR THIS, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF, IF PARTNER'S WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AND, AND BRING THAT TO THE TABLE, WE CAN CARVE OUT ROOM IN OUR CAPACITY TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE DESIGN IN A WAY THAT IS REPLICABLE, THAT IS OBJECTIVE, AND WE CAN HAVE AN OBJECTIVE RESULT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ANSWERS THOSE QUESTIONS. WHETHER OR NOT IT BEATS THE SAFETY GUIDANCE OF THE FOREST SERVICE AND SPEECH SHOULD BE CHANGED AND THEN GETS REPLICATED INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE CONDITIONS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, USE CHANGES. AND SO I DON'T EXPECT ONE SPEED STUDY TO ANSWER FOREVER WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE. THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I WAS NOT CLEAR. OKAY. SO, UM, ALEX, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO TAKE A SEAT. WE'RE GOING TO, UM, GO TO THE CARDS AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK, UH, AFTER WE HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, CARL JACKSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ROB ADAMS. SO THIS HAS BEEN EXPECTED, BUT VERY FRUSTRATING. SO, UH, MY NAME'S CARL JACKSON. I'M A STONE OWNER RESIDENT, AND I ALSO LIVE IN BROKEN ARROW. AND I'M ALSO A PRETTY ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE GSRC. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, FOREMOST, I DO WANT TO SAY IF ALL THE PROPOSED STRATEGIES WERE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY. . YOU'RE RIGHT. AND WE'D BE FAR DOWN THE ROAD TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT IMPACTS AND BROKEN ARROW, THAT'S WHY THE GSRC FULL REPORT RECOMMENDS A, A PERMIT SYSTEM TO REDUCE VOLUME IMPACTS BOTH SOCIAL IMPACTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ON MORGAN ROAD AND IN THE FOREST, BECAUSE WE HAVE OHVS DRIVING ON THE RED ROCKS, LEAVING BLACK RUBBER MARKS AND HAVING IMPACTS UP AT CHICKEN POINT CONFLICTS WITH HIKERS, BIKERS AND OHVS. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT A PERMIT SYSTEM. AND WE WANT A GATE TO, TO, UH, TO ENFORCE THE PERMIT SYSTEM. IT'S VERY SIMPLE PERMIT SYSTEM TO REDUCE VOLUME IMPACTS BOTH OUTSIDE OF THE FOREST IN THE, ON THE CITY AND IN THE FOREST WITH A GATE FOR ENFORCEMENT. WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT. THE FOREST SERVICE TOLD YOU IN THEIR FACTS, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU PERMIT SYSTEM. IT WASN'T EVEN ON ANY OF THE SLIDES. WE ARE NOT GETTING A PERMIT SYSTEM. MM-HMM. SUPPORTED BY THE FOREST SERVICE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. IT'S THE LAST THING THEY'RE GONNA DO, KICKING AND SCREAMING. SO I DON'T, SO BASED ON THAT, IT WAS A KEY PILLAR OF THE GSRC FULL REPORT AND WE'RE [03:10:01] NOT GETTING IT. AND ALSO IT WAS A CITY REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE A PERMIT SYSTEM FOR OHV SAFETY ON PUBLIC ROADS. REMEMBER, THIS IS ABOUT THE CITY. QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE, THE SPEED LIMIT. YOU'RE TALKING THE FOREST SERVICE ABOUT SPEED LIMITS ON THE FOREST ROAD, TALKING ABOUT SPEED LIMITS ON CITY ROADS. SO HOW DO WE IMPROVE SAFETY IF WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A PERMIT SYSTEM, WE'RE NOT GONNA IMPROVE SAFETY. OHV SAFETY ON PUBLIC ROADS IS WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL DEMANDS. AND IT'S NOT GONNA GET IT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA GET A PERMIT SYSTEM. SO WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS? THERE'S TWO, I THINK THE CITY HAS TO JUST STEP AWAY AND TAKE THE PROCESS INTO ITS OWN HANDS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEM ANY OTHER WAY. SO WHAT CAN THE CITY DO IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET A PERMIT SYSTEM? ONE, REVISIT THE ORDINANCE, REVISIT THE PROHIBITION OF OHVS ON PUBLIC ROADS. THAT'S ONE IDEA. THE OTHER IDEA IS A REDUCED SPEED LIMIT, BUT A REDUCED SPEED LIMIT JUST FOR UTVS AND SIDE BYSIDE, NOT FOR ALL VEHICLES. MOABS DOING IT. GRAND COUNTY'S DOING IT. IT'S A SPEED LIMIT THAT'S SET 10 MILES BELOW THE MAXIMUM STATED SPEED LIMIT LIMIT ON THE ROAD. SO IN MORGAN, ALL THE VEHICLES COULD GO 25, EXCEPT IF YOU'RE A UTV OR A SIDE BY SIDE, YOU HAVE TO GO 10 MILES LESS AS 15. WE'VE DONE THE WORK. IT WILL REDUCE NOISE AND IT WILL IMPROVE SAFETY. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COLE. I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, ROB ADAMS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, JANET JOHNSON. JANET, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OH, BEHIND THAT. OKAY. THERE YOU GO, . ALRIGHT. I DIDN'T SEE YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UH, MY NAME'S ROB ADAMS. I LIVE IN BROKEN ARROW. UM, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS OHV ISSUE FOR OVER 10 YEARS, AND THE IMPACTS OF THE O HVS ON THE FOREST FLOOR AND PA UH, THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ON THE OTHER USERS IN THE FOREST AND HOW TO MITIGATE THAT. UH, I'VE BEEN ON THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS, TWO CITIZEN ENGAGEMENTS AND, AND THE GSRC, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TOO MUCH, UH, DUE TO AN ACCIDENT. BUT THE OUTCOME WITH ALL OF THESE GROUPS HAS ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. AND I CALL IT C IT'S, IT'S CALLED SIGNS ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION. THAT'S THE SAME OUTCOME EVERY TIME. IT'S THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. AND HONESTLY, WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE SOLUTIONS, NOTHING. AN INCREASE IN THE PROBLEM IS THE, IS THE OUTCOME. NOW, I HAVE TO SAY, BECAUSE OF THE PARTICIPATION OF THE, UH, CONVENING GROUP, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE TEETH IN THAT IN THE ENFORCEMENT. THERE'S MORE TEETH IN, IN THE SIGNAGE AND, AND RESTORATION AND WHATNOT. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IT REALLY ISN'T MITIGATING THE, THE NUMBERS OF THE VEHICLES IN THE FOREST AND THE IMPACTS TO EVERYBODY THERE. SO AT WHAT POINT DOES THE FOREST SERVICE SAY, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACTS THAT ARE CAUSED ARE WORTH THE HEAVY HANDEDNESS THAT WE NEED TO AFFECT IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEM? AND THAT IS REALLY CONCERNING TO ME. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE BEEN SCRATCHING MY HEAD ABOUT, UH, FOR 10 YEARS, IS WHY THE FOREST SERVICE HAS RESISTED DOING A GATED PERMITTED ACCESS. UH, ANOTHER IDEA THAT CAME UP WAS, UH, CREATING A, AN AREA PARTICULARLY FOR, FOR O HBS, UH, WHERE YOU WOULD REDIRECT TRAFFIC TO A DIFFERENT AREA AND IT WOULD BASICALLY DECREASE THE NUMBERS OF OHVS IN A MAJORITY OF THE FOREST. NOW THIS IS ONE WAY THAT THE FOREST SERVICE CAN ADDRESS THE POLITICAL PROBLEM WITH, WITH REDUCED USAGE OF THE FOREST. I UNDERSTAND THAT POLITICAL PROBLEM, UH, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START SAYING YOU CAN'T USE THE FOREST, IT BECOMES A PROBLEM, BUT THERE IS A SOLUTION, REDIRECT THOSE TO A DIFFERENT AREA AND AND DECREASE THE NUMBERS IN A MAJORITY OF THE AREAS. SO THERE ARE ANSWERS AND I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE FOREST SERVICE WON'T GET ON BOARD WITH THESE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ROB. JANET JOHNSON. I KNOW YOU KNOW THE, THE DRILL WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ANNE GLICKSTEIN. HI, I'M JANET JOHNSON. I LIVE IN THE BEAR MOUNTAIN AREA, AUSTRALIA NOCHE RANCH. UM, FIVE YEARS AGO, WE, MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED TO SEDONA. UH, WE STARTED BUILDING A HOUSE. WE HAD A DAILY COMMUTE OUT TO OUR HOUSE, UH, THAT RESULTED IN ABOUT OH FIVE OR SIX NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES. EVERY TRIP JUST ABOUT, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID, IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER [03:15:01] IN TERMS OF THAT WITH THE EDUCATION THAT HAS, UH, ENSUED BY THE OHV COMPANIES, THAT KIND OF THING. THERE'S STILL MUCH, MUCH TOO MUCH TRAFFIC. WE ARE NOW DOWN TO ONLY MAYBE ONE NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE. EVERY TWO WEEKS IT'S GOTTEN BETTER. OKAY? BUT IT'S STILL CRAZY. UH, THE DUST, THE NOISE IS TERRIBLE. THE, UH, EYEBROW ROAD FOR US WOULD BE HUGE. IN FACT, WE'VE ALREADY PUT A LOT OF OUR OWN MONEY INTO IT IN GETTING THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS AND STUDIES. WE'RE AT ABOUT $15,000. IT'S JUST OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE VERY MUCH WANT THAT DONE. WHEN WE FIRST START, WHEN WE FIRST APPROACHED THE FOREST SERVICE, THE, UH, THE ATTITUDE OR, OR THE ANSWER WAS, IT, IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY YOU WOULD EVER GET THIS. WE DON'T DO THAT KIND OF THING. FORGET IT. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. AND NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE THIS ISN'T SUCH AN UNREASONABLE IDEA. SO A FEW REALLY GOOD THINGS HAVE COME OUT OF THAT, BUT THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS THERE ARE NO SPEED LIMIT SIGNS ON THE FOREST SERVICE ROADS OUT IN OUR AREA. THERE JUST AREN'T ANY. UM, SO HOW DO YOU ENFORCE SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S NO SIGNS ? SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE PROBLEM. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD GET THAT ADDRESSED. YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF THE 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT WITH OHVS GOING 10 MILES SLOWER, THAT MIGHT WORK. YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A STUDY FOR THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE DEFINITELY POSITIVE THINGS THAT HAS HA THAT HAVE HAPPENED, AT LEAST FOR US IN THIS REPORT. BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE ON THE RADAR AND WE HOPE THEY DO GET DONE. IN ANY EVENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME PROGRESS TOO. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JANET ANN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MELISSA TIKIS. . ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE BOTH WITH FRIENDS OF THE FOREST. I'M ANNIE GLICKSTEIN. I LIVE IN SEDONA. I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF, UH, DRY CREEK ROAD. MM-HMM, . SO O HVS GO BY ME EVERY DAY, AND IT'S BEEN SPRING BREAK. UM, BUT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF FRIENDS OF THE FOREST ON THIS WORKING GROUP, I WASN'T THERE REPRESENTING MYSELF. I WAS REPRESENTING 600 MEMBERS. 700 NOW, YEAH. UM, MEMBERS THAT ARE EITHER VOLUNTEERS OR DONORS. SO I ALIGNED WITH WHAT THE FOREST SERVICE DOES. 'CAUSE THAT'S OUR MISSION, RIGHT? WE SUPPORT THE FOREST SERVICE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T POINT OUT FLAWS IN STUDIES LIKE THE ENGINEERING STUDY. AND, UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE VEHICLES A SPEED LIMIT FOR 15 OR 25, THE VEHICLE, THE WEIGHT OF THE VEHICLE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ANGLE WAS IT GOING AT? YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES. SO HAVING THE ENGINEERING SAFETY STUDY, UM, KIND OF DRIVES THAT FOR OUR GROUP, RIGHT? UM, THE RESTORATION THAT ROCK, THE FOREST SERVICE, THE FRIENDS OF THE FOREST HAVE DONE, I WANT YOU GUYS TO LOOK OUT AT 5, 2 5 THIS SPRING WITH ALL THE HYDRO SEEDING WE'VE DONE, THE SEED BALLS THAT WE'VE PUT OUT ON, UH, WHAT IS IT? POWER LINE, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT PLACES. SO THERE'S RESTORATION EFFORTS, BUT THERE'S GROUPS THAT I NEVER WANNA BE A PART OF. LIKE THE LAW PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING, DOING ALL THESE LEGAL THINGS FOR THE HELMETS, FOR THE CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, UM, ALL THESE THINGS. THERE'S NO SILVER BULLET FOR THIS PROBLEM. THANK YOU NONE. IT'S GOTTA BE ALL OF THESE THINGS BEING DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY. THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN AMAZING WHERE I THOUGHT ONE THING JUST AS A REGULAR CITIZEN, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO GROUND ME. IN FACT, , YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD TALK TO US WHEN WE SAID, OH, WELL, WE JUST GOTTA DO THIS. IT'S LIKE, WELL, THIS IS THE REALITY BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES, SO MANY DIFFERENT PARTNERS. THAT'S WHY THIS COLLABORATIVE IS SO IMPORTANT, BECAUSE OF THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED. I MEAN, I, I CAN REACH OUT TO ANY ONE OF THESE GUYS AND THEY SUPPORT US ALL THE TIME. YOU KNOW, WHEN ROCK IS OUT THERE DOING THEIR EDUCATIONAL THINGS FOR THE MOTORIZED, WE'RE OUT THERE DOING THE EDUCATIONAL FOR THE HIKERS. YOU KNOW, IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER, WE'LL BE AT DEVIL'S BRIDGE. THEY'LL BE OVER, YOU KNOW, AT THE DONUT HOLE. SO THE COLLABORATION IS SUPER IMPORTANT AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MELISSA. WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY PETE SANDERS. [03:20:01] HI, MELISSA TIKIS AGAIN. I'M A RESIDENT IN SEDONA. I ALSO AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF FRIENDS OF THE FOREST. ANNIE MADE SOME GREAT COMMENTS. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS I WANNA POINT OUT FOR US THAT'S SO IMPORTANT IS WE'RE CELEBRATING OUR 30TH ANNIVERSARY RIGHT NOW. UM, OF ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEERS, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 30 YEARS. I PLAN ON US BEING AROUND AT LEAST ANOTHER 30 MORE. I CERTAINLY HOPE WE ARE NOT STILL DOING ALL THESE THINGS EVEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW, . UM, HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK ONE OF THE BEAUTIES THAT WE HAVE FOUND AND THAT WE'RE REALLY CAREFUL WITH IS AS AN ENTITY, AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE ARE COMPLETELY APOLITICAL. SO WE DO HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. UM, WE HAVE HALF OF OUR MEMBERS LOVE OHVS AND RECREATE ON THEM, AND THE OTHER HALF ABSOLUTELY HATES THEM AND REFUSES TO RECREATE ON THAT AND GETS VERY UPSET. WE, AS AN ENTITY, OUR WHOLE SOLE, FULL, SOLE PURPOSE AND FOCUS IS SUPPORTING THE FOREST SERVICE. SO WHATEVER THE FOREST SERVICE IS LOOKING TO DO, WE LOOK TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM. MAJORITY OF IT IS IN OUR VOLUNTEER HOURS, BUT WE ALSO DO PROVIDE FUNDING. SO WE DO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. AND OUR COMMITMENT TO THE GSRC AND THE FOREST SERVICE GOING FORWARD IS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE WALK A VERY FINE LINE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T, UM, ALIENATE OUR MEMBERS. AND AT THE SAME TIME, OUR WHOLE POINT IS TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER. SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE GOING THROUGH THE STREETS OF SEDONA, WHAT THE TRAILS LOOK LIKE IF YOU'RE AN EQUESTRIAN, IF YOU'RE A HIKER, IF YOU'RE A BIKER, OR IF YOU'RE AN OHVR. ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE TRY TO BALANCE. SO I JUST, I ALSO LOOK AT IT ISN'T ONE SINGLE THING THAT IS GONNA SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING A LOT OF COMPROMISES ACROSS THE BOARD. WE'VE HAD TO DO IT. I THINK ANNIE AND I HAVE BEEN VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE REPRESENT THINGS THAT WE'RE USUALLY TRY NOT TO REPRESENT OUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION THAT WE ARE BRINGING FORTH WITH OUR ENTITIES WHAT FO'S OPINION IS. AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE EASIEST THING. AND I WOULD ASK FOR EVERYONE WHO IS HERE TO ALSO KEEP THAT IN MIND IS EVERYONE HAS GOT THEIR DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND THEIR DIFFERENT FOCUSES. NO ONE IS GONNA WIN. THERE ISN'T A SINGLE THING THAT'S GONNA WORK. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT REALISTIC, AND I HOPE THAT EVERYONE IS WILLING TO COMPROMISE AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT WILL WORK, KNOWING IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF WORK. AND I THINK FOF IS IN FOR WHATEVER THE NEXT PHASE OF THE GSRC IS. UM, THAT'S PART OF OUR PLAN IS WE WILL HELP HOWEVER WE CAN. SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, PETE, I FOLLOW THE, UH, I'M SORRY, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE ADAMS. EVERYBODY'S REGULARS HERE SO YOU ALL KNOW HOW TO, WHAT TO DO. PETE SANDERS, SEDONA RESIDENT, UH, 44 YEARS PERMITEE HOLDER FOR HIKING TOURS WITH THE FOREST SERVICE FOR 34 YEARS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR VOLUNTEERISM TO OUR TOWN FOR THESE WONDERFULLY ENTERTAINING MEETINGS. YOU GET TO SIT THROUGH . UM, AND THANK YOU TO MELISSA DUNN. I HAVE SO ENJOYED HAVING YOUR BRAIN AND ENERGY AT THE GRC MEETINGS. IF I WANNA SAY IT OFF THE TOP, YOUR FRUSTRATION, MAYOR JALO, AND YOUR FRUSTRATION, JESSICA, IS BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT DONE THEIR JOB WITH THE GSRC. THERE HASN'T BEEN A CITY COUNCIL REP AMONG THE CO-CONVENERS SAYING FORCEFULLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, I'VE BEEN THERE. I AM NOT A A JEEP PERSON. I DON'T LIVE IN THESE AREAS. I WAS VOLUNTEERING AS A SPIRITUAL COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE, AND I HEARD ALL THESE CO-CONVENERS GIVE EXCELLENT WISDOM AND WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN'T DO. AND I'VE BEEN SAYING WE GOTTA HAVE A PERMIT. AND THERE ARE PERMITS IN THE TONTO AREA. PERMITS ARE NOT IMPOSSIBLE. SO, ALEX, MAKE IT HAPPEN. . BUT MAYOR, YOU SHOULD FUND THE GRC FOR TWO REASONS. I'VE LIVED HERE 40 YEARS AND IT BUGGED ME SEEING IN THE PAPER HOW MUCH MONEY WENT TO FUND STUDIES YOU HAD CLOSE TO A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS OF VOLUNTEER DONATION MONEY. DON'T EXCUSE MY FRENCH, PUSH ON THIS REPORT. TAKE IT AND USE IT FOR WHAT YOU NEED AND THEN DRIVE THE NEXT PHASE FOR WHAT YOU WANT. AND, AND KAREN, YOU KNOW, SHE'S OVERLOADED, BUT NOBODY WAS EVER REALLY SAYING AT THOSE MEETINGS, I WAS THERE. THE CITY WANTS A PERMIT SYSTEM AND WE NEEDED THAT FROM THIS COVE. YOU'RE ONE OF THE CO-CONVENERS. FOREST SERVICE SAYS WE CAN'T. I HEARD FROM THE OTHER CO-CONVENERS. WELL, WE'RE DOING IT IN TONTO. SO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT IT, AND MOST OF THE GRC WANTED IT, SOME KIND OF SYSTEM. LET'S GO FORWARD. DON'T SQUANDER THIS INCREDIBLE VOLUNTEERISM [03:25:01] OF TIME AND SEA BALLS, . YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT THE, JUST THE EDUCATION, GETTING THESE PEOPLE ALL IN A GROUP OF ROOMS, SHARING THINGS, TALKING ABOUT, WELL, CAN I PUT IN THE GRANT TO YOU AND JESSICA, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. IT'S NOT GONNA BE FOREVER. BUT I'VE, HE'S LIKE MY 10TH DISTRICT RANGER THAT I'VE LIVED THROUGH. OKAY, WE GONNA KEEP HIM FOR, AND STUFF IS GOING. HE'S, HE'S GREAT SO FAR. I REALLY LIKE HIM . BUT YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA STICK IN THERE FOR THE LONG HAUL. AND THE CITY BEING AN ACTIVE COKE CONVENER IS THE WAY TO DO IT. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME, PETE. I JUST WANNA ADDRESS WHAT YOU SAID. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE AT THE, THE MEETING WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS. WE WERE REALLY CLEAR. MM-HMM, . AND I'M NOT KNOCKING THIS REPORT, THIS REPORT WAS PROBABLY THE BEST REPORT THAT'S EVER BEEN PUT OUT. I'M NOT KNOCKING IT AT ALL. I'M NOT KNOCKING THE HARD WORK AT ALL. PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME LIKE THE LAST TIME I I, IT'S A REALLY GOOD REPORT. IT'S JUST THIS, THESE TWO ITEMS WERE RE WE WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT AND THE AREN'T SET. PETE, YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THERE AS FAR AS ATTENDING THE MEETINGS. I ONLY ATTENDED ONE MEETING BY ZOOM, I THINK DURING COVID, MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW WHY. IT WAS ON ON ZOOM. IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. I HAVEN'T BEEN INVITED. BELIEVE ME, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME AND JUST STRESS THESE TWO POINTS. BROKEN ARROW AND A NUMBERED PERMITTING SYSTEM. AND THEY KNOW ME. I'M THE ONE WHO SPEAKS UP FOR WEIRD S**T . IF I HAD KNOWN, I GET IT. IF I HAD KNOWN HOW FORCEFUL YOU WERE, I WOULD'VE BEEN EVERY MEETING SAYING, LET'S MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON A PERMIT SYSTEM. SO LET'S DO THAT. LET'S GO FORWARD, STICK IN THERE, KEEP FUNDING BEING A COVENA. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GETTING A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DONATED WORK IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'RE PAYING THEM. OKAY, THANK YOU. PETE. MELISSA, JESSICA, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING OR MELISSA, DID YOU WANT I I DO. I WANTED ADDRESS. OH, YOU WANNA ADDRESS POINT. OKAY. HI CHRISTINE, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE POINT ABOUT, UM, NO ONE FROM THE CITY SITTING IN, IN THE MEETINGS TALKING ABOUT PERMIT SYSTEMS. BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER ON MY SLIDE, IT EVEN SAID PERMIT SYSTEMS ARE CRITICAL FOR THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHEN I SAID, AND BY THE WAY, DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT PERMIT SYSTEM DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE ZERO TO THREE OR THE TWO TO FIVE? SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS REALLY CLEAR. WE HAVE BEEN THERE AS THE CITY SAYING, PERMIT SYSTEMS ARE CRITICAL. WE NEED TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE CONFLICT, AND YOU'LL FIND THAT IN THE REPORT, BUT IT WASN'T EMPHASIZED. BUT THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT USES ALSO REALLY CRITICAL. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, PETE, I OBVIOUSLY WASN'T LOUD ENOUGH, BUT, UM, AND I THOUGHT I WAS PRETTY LOUD. THIS IS CRITICAL. AND, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN SITTING THERE SAYING, THIS IS CRITICAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, CHRISTINE. CHRISTINE, CHRISTINE ADAMS. I LIVE IN SEDONA. I LIVE IN THE BROKEN ARROW AREA. AND, UM, THERE IS A SILVER BULLET AVAILABLE. AND THAT IS A PERMITTING SYSTEM IN BROKEN ARROW. YOU DID IT AT SOLDIERS PASS. IT WORKS REALLY GOOD. I'VE GONE ONLINE. YOU CAN GET A PERMIT TO GO IN REALLY EASY. BUT INSTEAD, BROKEN ARROW HAS BEEN, IT'S A SACRIFICIAL LAMB. I MEAN, I REALLY JUST NEED TO CALL IT WHAT IT IS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN THEIR JEEPS AND GONE ON THRILL RIDES. SO THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HIKING IN SEDONA IS SUBMARINE. SUBMARINE, YOU KNOW, ROCK CHICKEN POINT. I MEAN, GO OUT THERE WHEN IT'S SNOWING, YOU KNOW, AND WALK THROUGH THOSE TRAILS. YOU GO OUT THERE NOW AND ALL YOU SEE ARE SKID MARKS. ALL YOU SEE IS DUST. PEOPLE DON'T WANNA HIKE OUT THERE. THE ANIMALS AREN'T AROUND. THE BIRDS DON'T SING. THEY'RE IN OUR YARD BECAUSE WE FEED THEM, YOU KNOW? AND THEY, THEY COME TO A SACRED PLACE AND A AND A SWEET PLACE. BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REALLY NEED ISN'T, I MEAN, I THINK THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB. AND I, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE FACTS AND WE HAVE TO HAVE, UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE IS WILL NOTHING GETS DONE IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT THE WILL TO DO IT. AND THAT SOMETIMES TAKES BEING HIT OVER THE HEAD REALLY, REALLY HARD. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY, WHEN WHEN THE HUNGER PROJECT WAS CREATED, IT WAS CREATED OUT OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE TO FEED EACH OTHER. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, A MASSIVE PROBLEM IN THE WORLD. AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST A MICROCOSM OF WHAT'S GOING ON. I, I THINK WE REALLY [03:30:01] NEED, THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN BROKEN ARROW IN THE CITY. THEY REALLY DON'T. I MEAN, THE CITY SHOULD REALLY FOCUS ON BROKEN ARROW AND GET SOMETHING DONE. I KNOW WE'VE GOT PROBLEMS OUT IN 5 25. THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE. BUT BROKEN ARROW CAN BE A SILVER BULLET. AND THE, AND THE, THE FOREST SERVICE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE GONE THROUGH SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM THE FOREST SERVICE. I KNOW THESE PERMITS HAPPEN. MY SISTER LIVES IN, UH, BEND. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BEN HAD SO MANY HIKERS. THEY, THEY, THEY HAD TO DEVELOP A PERMIT SYSTEM FOR THAT. WE NEED THAT HERE. SO THIS COMES FROM THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. AND I JUST ASK FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK INSIDE YOUR HEARTS, TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND LET'S GET SOMETHING DONE PLEASED. AND, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IN A BIG PARKING LOT IS GONNA DO IT. YOU CAN PUT A BULLDOZER IN THERE RIGHT NOW AND MAKE IT TWO WAY PASSING THROUGH. BUT IF YOU BUILD A BIGGER PARKING LOT IN A MORE BEAUTIFUL ONE, IT'S JUST GONNA PERPETUATE THE PROBLEM WITHOUT A GATE. SO I AM NOT FOR A PAR A NEW PARKING LOT UNLESS THERE'S A GATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHRISTINE. BECKY ROSS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DEANNA BINLEY. ARE YOU GUYS HERE? OH, I'M SORRY. WAIT MINUTE. HOLD ON ONE, ONE SECOND. I FORGOT ABOUT GUY LA ONION GUY. ARE YOU STILL HERE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, SORRY ABOUT THAT GUY. AND THEN WE'LL GET TO BE BECKY AND THEN DEANNA. AND THEN THAT'LL BE IT. MY NAME'S GUY LAMIAN. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA. UH, I ALSO AM A TRAINED RESEARCHER. I HAVE A DEGREE IN RESEARCH PSYCHOLOGY AND I TEACH NURSING RESEARCH AT AN UNNAMED UNIVERSITY. . I WANT TO GO RIGHT TO MY BOTTOM LINE BECAUSE I'M TIME LIMITED ONE. THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION FINDINGS HAVE SHOWN THAT NOISE IS THE SECOND LARGEST ENVIRONMENTAL CAUSE OF HEALTH PROBLEMS JUST AFTER THE IMPACT OF AIR POLLUTION AND CHILDREN MAY ALSO BE AFFECTED. MY REFERENCE IS, UH, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA DAVIS, THEIR DEPARTMENT OF EN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES. TWO. ACCORDING TO THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, EXCESSIVE NOISE CAN CAUSE ANNOYANCE. IN ADDITION, RESEARCH SHOWS IT INCREASES THE RISK FOR ISCHEMIC HEART DISEASE AND HYPERTENSION, SLEEP DISTURBANCES, HEARING IMPAIRMENT, TINNITUS, COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT WITH INCREASING EVIDENCE FOR OTHER HEALTH IMPACTS SUCH AS ADVERSE HEALTH OUT ADVERSE BIRTH OUTCOMES AND MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. SO I CONDUCTED AT NO EXPENSE TO THE CITY A PILOT STUDY TO SEE IF THESE THINGS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, OCCURRING HERE IN OUR CITY. SO THIS WAS A STUDY OF RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES, UH, IN OUR CITY. 71% ANNOYANCE, 61% LOWERED QUALITY OF LIFE, 52% ANXIETY, 52% DEPRESSION, 48% SLEEP DISTURBANCES, 42% TINNITUS, THAT'S RINGING IN THE EARS. 29% STRESS, 29% HYPERTENSION, 28% HEARING LOSS, 16% COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT, AND 6% ISCHEMIC ART DISEASE. THE MAJORITY OF THE RESPONDENTS, AND THEY SELF-SELECTED, I BELIEVE, LIVED, UH, NEAR 89 A IN WEST SEDONA. SO THIS IS MERELY A PILOT STUDY AND MY RECOMMENDATION AND SUGGESTION, AND I ATTEMPTED TO SEND IT TO YOUR GROUP. AND NOW I HAVE ALL YOUR EMAILS. SO, UH, I'LL DROP, I'LL DROP THIS, UH, IN YOUR BOX. AND I'M SUGGESTING THE PREVIOUS STUDY, WHICH I REQUESTED, THANK YOU. UH, AND THE, UM, RESOLUTION, WHICH I REQUESTED, THANK YOU, UH, DID NOT CONSIDER HEALTH IMPACTS. SO IN, IN MY MIND, THE HEALTH OF RESIDENTS HERE IS IN OUR CITY. IS YOUR BUSINESS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FOREST? THANK YOU GUY. NOW, UH, QUI ROSS, FOLLOWED BY DEANNA, AND THEN THAT GUY SWANSON AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW. HE KEEPS POPPING. KEEPS POPPING UP. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BECKY ROSS. UM, I'M A 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF WINDMILL RANCH, WHICH IS, UH, 5 25 AREA WEST SEDONA. I AM A FOREST SERVICE PARTNER AS A GRAZING PERMITEE. UM, AND I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF, UH, BASICALLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A PARTICIPANT OF THE [03:35:01] GSRC, THE MAJORITY OF OUR GROUP RECOMMENDED A 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT PERMIT SYSTEM AND TRAIL PLANNING. AND I HOPE THAT ALL THREE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER CAN IMPROVE THE OHB SITUATION ON THE CAL RANCH. UM, BUT THE FOREST SERVICE HAS OFTEN SAID THAT THE 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT AND PERMIT SYSTEM IS POTENTIALLY NOT FEASIBLE. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF TIME IN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND IT STILL WON'T RESULT IN AN EFFECTIVE SOLUTION. THERE IS A CHANCE THAT IMPLEMENTING A TRAIL ROUTE WILL BE THE ONLY OUTCOME, UM, OF THE CO-CONVENERS. I REALIZE MY POSITION TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS GROUP AS A GRAZING PERMITEE REPRESENTATIVE, BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT WORRY ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS OF THE OUTCOME. WE WILL WAIT YEARS FOR NEPA FUNDING AND BUILD A ROUTE. AND FINALLY, WE WILL ADD A NICE OHV TRAIL TO THE ALREADY EXISTING FOREST SERVICE ROADS THAT OHVS ALWAYS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO. HOW WILL THIS MODEL SOLVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, ROAD DEGRADATION AND SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE IDENTIFY IN THE GROUP AND THAT I SEE EVERY DAY WHERE I LIVE. UM, AND ONE LAST QUICK POINT. I AM A SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLE OF A PERMIT SYSTEM ON THE FOREST. I BET 80 YEARS AGO WHEN PERMIT NUMBERS WERE IMPOSED ON CATTLE RANCHERS, THEY WERE NOT WELL RECEIVED. BUT WE CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE WORKING TODAY AND EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH LIMITATIONS ON CATTLE. NOW. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BECKY. DEANNA, DEANNA BENLEY, BEAR MOUNTAIN MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. SINCERELY, AFTER 18 MONTHS OF MEETINGS, THE DELIVERABLE IS READY. IN MY OPINION, WE HAD THREE MAIN ASKS, A LIMITED ENTRY PERMIT SYSTEM GATES THAT WOULD ENFORCE THAT PERMIT SYSTEM AND A 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT. SADLY, NONE OF THESE PROPOSED STRATEGIES RECEIVED FULL CONSENSUS. BUT LET'S START WITH THE PERMIT SYSTEM IN THE Q AND A PORTION OF THE REPORT, THE FOREST SERVICE HAS ALREADY REJECTED THE PERMIT SYSTEM, AND THIS IS THEIR RESPONSE. A LIMITED ENTRY PERMIT SYSTEM IS A HEAVY HANDED MANAGEMENT APPROACH, BURDENSOME TO BOTH THE VISITOR AND THE IMPLEMENTING AGENCY. WHILE NOT OFF THE TABLE, FOREST SERVICE WILL PRIORITIZE MANAGEMENT APPROACHES THAT ARE LIGHTER HANDED. BUT PLEASE NOTE THERE IS NO MENTION OF PROTECTING RESOURCES, ONLY THE VISITOR. NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT. THROUGHOUT THE MEETINGS, FOREST SERVICE SPOKE UP SEVERAL TIMES THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DO 15 MORE LIKE 25 OR 35. AND IF YOU HAVE SEEN ANY OF MY VIDEOS, YOU KNOW THAT 25 AND 35 AND HIGHER WILL CONTINUE TO KILL OUR VEGETATION, DESTROY OUR ROADS, AND THE NOISE ELIMINATES QUALITY OF LIFE. LAST YEAR, A ROUTE PLANNER WAS BROUGHT IN TO SPEAK, UM, AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS ABOUT CREATING A NEW OHV TRAIL SYSTEM. HE TALKED ABOUT CONNECTING ROUTES, ADDING ROUTES, SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN, AND CREATING AN AMAZING , AN AMAZING USER EXPERIENCE. I LITERALLY CRIED IN THAT MEETING. MY BIGGEST FEAR THIS ENTIRE TIME HAS BEEN THAT BEAR MOUNTAIN WILL BE TURNED INTO A GLOBAL OHB DESTINATION. AS I HEARD THE PLANNER SPEAK, ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT IS MORE TRAFFIC FOR BEAR MOUNTAIN. PLEASE KNOW THAT THE ROUTE PLANNING STRATEGY ALSO DID NOT RECEIVE FULL CONSENSUS WITH THE PERMIT SYSTEM AND LOW SPEED LIMITS ALREADY BEING REJECTED BY THE FOREST. WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IS TRAIL PLANNING. SOON WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO START MEETINGS DISCUSSING NEW TRAILS, CONNECTING TRAILS, ET CETERA. THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE CAME INTO THESE MEETINGS LOOKING FOR. THE ONLY WAY THIS WOULD WORK IS IF THESE TRAILS WERE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOCATION. BUT WHERE NOW IS THERE A CHANCE THAT A WELL-PLANNED TRAIL SYSTEM COULD REDUCE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF OHVS? YES, THERE IS THAT CHANCE, BUT AT WHAT COST? WHAT IF WE CREATE A NEW AND AWESOME OHB TRAIL SYSTEM? BUT ALL WE DO IS ATTRACT MORE OHVS THAN EVER. WE WILL ONLY INCREASE THE PROBLEM AND MORE OHB TRAFFIC FOR ALL OF US, BOTH THE FOREST AND RIGHT HERE IN TOWN. ONE SENTENCE . AND IF WE GO DOWN THE PATH GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. ONE, IF WE GO DOWN THE PATH OF NEW TRAILS, IMPLEMENTATION OF ANY PROJECT WILL TAKE YEARS. [03:40:01] WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME. OKAY. WE HAVE TO SOLVE THIS NOW. THANK YOU DEANNA. MAY I ADDRESS TWO THINGS FROM EARLIER? AM I ALLOWED? NO, IT OKAY. SORRY. CAN YOU CRAIG, MY NAME'S CRAIG SWANSON. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF NOW. I WANT TO ANSWER THREE THINGS THAT CAME UP DURING THE DISCUSSION. THE NOTION THAT THIS WILL GO ON FOREVER. NO, IT WON'T. MONITORING WILL GO ON FOREVER. THAT WAS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THAT WAS SPOKEN ABOUT. WE WILL HAVE TO MONITOR THE SITUATION OUT THERE FOREVER. SECOND ON SPEEDS. CITY CAN DO WHATEVER IT WANTS TO OUT ON OREGON ROAD. JUST DO IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK THE FOREST SERVICE, JUST DO IT. THIRD ENFORCEMENT, ENFORCEMENT IS SPOTTY EVERYWHERE. YOU CAN'T REASONABLY EXPECT THERE TO BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OUT THERE ALL THE TIME. SOCIAL MEDIA WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT BECAUSE IF THE FINES OUT THERE FOR SPEEDING OR RECKLESS DRIVING ARE 2, 3, 4, $500, SOCIAL MEDIA IS GONNA GRAB THAT. AND EVERYBODY WHO IS ON AN OHV IS GONNA UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO DO THAT. 'CAUSE THEY INTERMITTENTLY ENFORCE. AND TRUST ME, YOU DON'T WANT TO GET ONE OF THOSE TICKETS. NOW FOR WHAT I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THERE ARE TOO MANY VEHICLES GOING TOO FAST, PERIOD. THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROBLEM. THAT'S IT. IF WE DON'T GET A PERMIT SYSTEM, AND I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE WHETHER IT STARTS WITH A LIMIT NOW OR THE LIMIT COMES LATER. BUT IF WE DON'T GET A PERMIT SYSTEM THAT RESULTS IN LIMITED ENTRY AND WE DON'T GET SPEED LIMITS OUT THERE. ALL OF THE, I PUT IN A LOT MORE THAN 150 HOURS . THAT WAS ALL OF THE FIVE OR 600 HOURS I PUT IN TO THIS WILL HAVE BEEN FOR NAUGH, NOT THERE HAS TO BE A LIMITED PERMANENT SYSTEM EVENTUALLY. AND THERE HAS TO BE SPEED LIMITS EVENTUALLY, OR THIS WILL CONTINUE. THE, THE, IT'S INCONCEIVABLE TO ME THAT DETERMINING A SPEED LIMIT CAN'T TAKE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION. MY BRAIN EXPLODES WHEN I THINK OF THAT. I KNOW THE FOREST SERVICE HAS RULES AND REGULATIONS, BUT THAT'S INCONCEIVABLE TO ME. WE'VE GOTTA HAVE SPEED LIMITS. WE HAVE TO HAVE A LIMITED PERMANENT SYSTEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CRAIG. YOU DO? YEAH. OKAY. NO, GO AHEAD. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK. OKAY. CRAIG, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID. WHEN YOU HAVE THE RESISTANCE THAT WE HAVE, WHAT DOES EVENTUALLY MEAN IN YOUR, IN YOUR MIND, HOW MUCH LONGER WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE IF FOR THE EVENTUAL SYSTEM? IF I SAW THE, PERSONALLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, IF I SAW THE FOREST SERVICE COME BACK WITHIN 60 DAYS AND SAID TO GSRC, WE WILL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER A PERMIT SYSTEM. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. THEY HAVE TO INDICATE THAT THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN. THEY THEN HAVE TO INDICATE TO ME WHAT THE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE TO EVALUATE IT AND DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE NEXT STEPS. I EXPECT THAT WOULD TAKE A NUMBER OF MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, A YEAR. I, I DON'T KNOW. THEY'RE SO UNDERFUNDED. HOW THEY DO THEIR WORK DAY TO DAY BOGGLES MY MIND. EXACTLY. THAT'S TRUE. IT'S AWFUL. SO YOU GOTTA GIVE THEM TIME TO DO THIS KIND OF STUFF. AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA PULL SOMETHING OUTTA THE AIR IN SAY, TWO YEARS. IF THERE'S A PERMIT SYSTEM IN PLACE WITHIN TWO YEARS THAT HAS THE EVENTUALITY OF A NUMBER TO IT, I'M GONNA THINK THAT THIS IS WORTHWHILE BECAUSE I'M GONNA BELIEVE THAT THE NUMBER IS GONNA END UP BEING PUT ON IT. THAT IT'S NOT GONNA STAY OPEN-ENDED FOREVER. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW AND YOU HAVE NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER THAT THE FOREST SERVICE IS WILLING TO GO THE PERMIT ROUTE. I WHERE ARE, WHERE ARE YOU? WELL, WHERE I AM IS USING THE RESOURCES OF KEEP STONE A BEAUTIFUL, TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE FOREST SERVICE AND SAY, THIS B******T HAS TO STOP. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR EIGHT YEARS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND NOT THE SAME PEOPLE. [03:45:02] GRANTED, I DON'T, DON'T, DON'T TAKE THE HIT. BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. D DIFFERENT COUNCIL. I'VE BEEN ON HERE. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON'S BEEN ON HERE LONGER THAN ME. I'M ON HERE 10 YEARS. ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK, IS THAT WE USE THE INTERAGENCY FRAMEWORK TO FRAME THIS DELIVERABLE. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ALL OF THOSE APPENDICES ARE IN THE BACK, THE 200 EXTRA PAGES, BECAUSE THEY SUPPLY THE JUSTIFICATION TO THE FOREST SERVICE, UH, FOR WHY CURRENT CONDITIONS, DESIRED CONDITIONS AREN'T BEING MET. CE SCENIC INTEGRITY OBJECTIVES AREN'T BEING MET. WELL, IF THEY AREN'T BEING MET, THE FOREST SERVICE HAS AN OBLIGATION TO ADJUST TO MEET 'EM. IF THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT IS TO PUT IN A PERMIT SYSTEM AND SPEED LIMITS, THEN WE NEED TO HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. OKAY. THANK YOU CRAIG. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK, UH, UNTIL, UH, 8 30, 8 38 35. AND, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE COMMENTS, WHICH I'VE ALREADY GIVEN MINE. HMM. PARTIES. OKAY. CAN WE HAVE THE COUNCIL PEOPLE TAKE THEIR SEATS, PLEASE? HEY, PETE, THERE'S NO OFFENSE TO IT. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. DO YOUR, YOU WOULD'VE KNOWN. OKAY. FINGERS CROSSED. OKAY, SO NOW I'D LIKE TO GO OVER YOUR COMMENTS. I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE VICE MAYOR. YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN WITH US FROM THE BEGINNING, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SENSE, PARTICULARLY THE CO-CONVENERS OF WHERE WE STARTED HERE, PARTICULARLY THE FOREST SERVICE AND, AND EVERYBODY ELSE. WE, WE WERE IN THIS ROOM OVER TWO YEARS AGO. WE HAD WRITTEN A LETTER TO THE FOREST SERVICE, A VERY RESPECTFUL LETTER REQUESTING A PERMIT SYSTEM. I THINK IT WAS IN 2021 OR 2022. AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT WAS NOT IN CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROCESS. AND THAT THIS CONVENING OF THE GSRC WAS THAT PROCESS. AND IT WOULD TAKE TWO YEARS, WHICH IT'S TAKEN, AND THERE WOULD BE A NEPA STUDY THAT WOULD'VE BEEN COMPLETED. AND AT THE END OF THAT NEPA STUDY, THERE WOULD BE A PERMIT SYSTEM. IF THE NEPA STUDY SHOWED THAT, THAT WOULD WORK OUT TWO YEARS AGO. MORE THAN THAT, BECAUSE IT TOOK A YEAR TO JUST GET THIS MOVING. AMY TOLD US VERY SPECIFICALLY IN THIS ROOM ON THE RECORD, I, WE'D GO BACK AND GET YOU THE DATE OF THAT MEETING AND YOU CAN LISTEN TO IT. THAT THIS WAS THE PROCESS TO INCLUDE A NEPA STUDY THAT WOULD RESULT IN A PERMITTING SYSTEM FOR PEOPLE TO SAY THAT A PERMITTING SYSTEM WASN'T CLEAR IS INSANE. IT WAS CRYSTAL CLEAR. THERE IS A LETTER, THERE IS A RESPONSE TO THE LETTER. THERE IS A MEETING, THERE IS ALL ON THE RECORD. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DISAPPOINTED. AND THAT'S WHY DISAPPOINTMENT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE. YEAH. CLOSE TO WHAT WE FEEL. WE FEEL SCAMMED. THAT'S HOW WE FEEL. NOW, YOU DID GREAT WORK. AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS A REJECTION OF THE WORK YOU DID. IT'S THAT WE WERE LED DOWN A PATH AND NOW WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT THAT PATH ISN'T GOING TO RESULT IN THE PLACE THAT WE WERE EXPECTING IT TO BE. BECAUSE THIS NEPA STUDY MAY STILL HAVE TO BE DONE, AND THAT MAY TAKE ANOTHER TWO YEARS. 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T GO AWAY. IT'S STILL PART OF THE PROCESS. SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED HERE. AND THEY, AND WE JUST ASKED FOR A, I I KNOW IT'S NOT A SIMPLE THING TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT ONE THING, A PERMIT SYSTEM, A LIMITED PERMIT SYSTEM AT ON MORGAN ROAD, FOUR BROKEN ARROW, THAT WAS OUR ONE REQUEST. SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE US LIKE JUST BEING, WANTING TO GET UP OUTTA OUR CHAIRS AND SCREAM SERIOUSLY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF YOU. AND WE REALLY DO [03:50:01] APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT YOU PUT IN TO ALL OF THIS. BUT IT IS NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT WE EXPECTED WOULD BE THE RESULT OF THIS TWO YEAR EFFORT, MORE THAN TWO YEAR EFFORT. AND JUST TELL US THE TRUTH BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT IN THIS PROCESS, THEN TELL US THAT. DON'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS. WE'RE JUST NOT. NOBODY HAS THE PATIENCE, THE ENERGY, THE OUR RESIDENTS. WE CAN'T EXPECT THEM. THEY'VE WAITED PATIENTLY FOR THIS. THEY WEREN'T EVEN PATIENT TO BEGIN WITH, BUT THEY TRUSTED THE PROCESS. RIGHT. AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THE PROCESS WORKED ON OUR BEHALF. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU GUYS. BUT WE WERE PROMISED THINGS, A COMMITMENT WAS MADE TO US. AND THAT'S WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE JUST DIDN'T GET WHAT WAS PROMISED TO US. AND IT'S VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTING. I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD ONE THING TO THAT. THE FRUSTRATION IS ALL YOUR FACES HAVE CHANGED IN JUST TWO YEARS TIME. NONE OF YOU WERE HERE, UH, DE UH, DEANNA AND BECKY AND OH, CHARLIE, YOU WERE, YOU WERE THERE. OH, AND, AND CRAIG. WELL, AND YOU, NOBODY ELSE REMEMBERS THE PERMIT SYSTEM DISCUSSION AND NOBODY MOVED IT FORWARD. AND, AND TO HAVE PETE SANDERS SAY NOBODY MENTIONED THE PERMIT SYSTEM AND IT NEVER CAME. AND I KNOW CRAIG KNOWS, AND I, I KNOW CRAIG'S BEEN FIGHTING FOR IT. SO THAT'S THE FRUSTRATION. UH, BRIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT? SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I'LL START MY REMARKS WITH, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT CRAIG SWANSON SAID EARLIER THIS EVENING, THAT THIS WHOLE PROCESS BEGAN BECAUSE THERE WAS A CRISIS OVER OHVS. AND AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, UH, A, AN APT DESCRIPTION OF IT. UH, I ACTUALLY WAS SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE AS A COUNCIL CANDIDATE TWO YEARS AGO WHEN YOU ALL WERE INFORMED YOU WEREN'T GONNA GET WHAT YOU WANTED. AND SITTING OUT THERE AND LOOKING AT YOUR FACES AND SEEING THE LOOK OF UTTER SHOCK, DISMAYED DEFEAT. IT WAS THE MOST SAD THING I'VE SEEN , UH, IN THESE CHAMBER. I HAD A OF HAIR. YOU DID. YOU DID . YOU DID. AND, AND IT WASN'T EVEN GRAY, RIGHT? SO, SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS, LIKE WHO, WHO, BECAUSE IT WAS A CRISIS. THAT MEANS THERE WAS, THERE WERE ENTITIES THAT WERE AGGRIEVED AT THE TIME. WELL, WHO WAS AGGRIEVED AT THE TIME? RESIDENTS AND RANCHERS. RIGHT? I MEAN, THOSE WERE THE, THE, THE TWO STAKEHOLDERS THAT WERE AGGRIEVED AT THE TIME. AND SO NOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH A TWO HOUR OR TWO, NOT TWO HOUR, TWO YEAR PROCESS. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THOSE TWO STAKEHOLDER GROUPS WOULD STILL SAY THAT THEY'RE AGGRIEVED BY THE OUTCOME OF THE REPORT. SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A, A GAP IN EXPECTATIONS HERE. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK A GAP IN EXPECTATIONS FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. BECAUSE I THINK WE DID EXPECT THAT WHAT WAS PRESENTED WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE DOING THIS STUFF RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE TIMELINE. AND LIKE, I, I THINK WE ALL THOUGHT THAT, AT LEAST I THOUGHT, UH, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GETTING TONIGHT. SO THERE WAS AN EXPECTATIONS GAP. IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD A DESIRE TO SEE A PRIORITIZED LIST AND, AND SO FORTH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE OF WHAT ACTUALLY WILL GET WORKED ON. UM, AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY A HUGE THANK YOU TO THE WORKING GROUP, ALL MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP, SDR FOR FACILITATING THE CONVENING GROUP MEMBERS. I, YOUR WORK IS SIGNIFICANT AND DESPITE THE FRUSTRATION OVER THE LACK OF A PERMIT AND LIMITED ENTRY PERMIT SYSTEM, THERE IS MUCH GOOD IN WHAT YOU ALL HAVE WORKED ON. AND I DO EXPECT THAT THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS MADE ON MULTIPLE FRONTS. SO I, I SEE A LOT OF GOOD THAT HAS COME THROUGH THIS. UM, FOR, FOR ALEX IN PARTICULAR AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FOREST SERVICE, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY OUR FOCUS IS UPON YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE FOREST SERVICE. THE IDEA THAT A LIMITED ENTRY PERMIT SYSTEM IS HEAVY HANDED. I CANNOT ACCEPT A HEAVY HANDED APPROACH WOULD BE WE'RE SHUTTING EVERYTHING DOWN PERIOD AS IT RELATES TO OHVS. WE DID NOT ASK FOR THAT. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THAT. BUT WE DO BELIEVE [03:55:01] THAT A LIMITED ENTRY PERMIT SYSTEM, PRINCIPALLY FOR MORGAN ROAD, IS A VERY REASONABLE EXPECTATION AT THIS POINT. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO YOU IS THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT OF THE COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST MUST SURELY BE ONE OF THE CROWN GEMS OF THE US FOREST SERVICE. AND THERE ARE AMPLE OTHER FORESTS IN THE US TO BE ABLE TO POINT TO WHERE WHEN THERE WAS A CRISIS, EMERGENCY ACTION WAS TAKEN. YOU DO HAVE AUTHORITY TO TAKE ACTION. LIKE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU. THE FOREST HAD SERVICE HAD THAT AUTHORITY TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE SAID THIS IS A CRISIS. IT'S STILL A CRISIS. AND YOU STILL HAVE EMERGENCY AUTHORITY IN WHICH YOU COULD CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING. AND IT DOES REQUIRE ENORMOUS COURAGE. I GET THAT. I DON'T ENVY YOU, BUT YOU ARE THE FACE OF THE US FOREST SERVICE AND WE EXPECT A HECK OF A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING. THE NOTION THAT IT'S HEAVY HANDED TO HAVE A LIMITED ENTRY SYSTEM. I JUST CAN'T ACCEPT THAT. SO, UM, I'M GONNA WRAP UP MY COMMENTS. I THINK AT THAT, AGAIN, A HUGE THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR YOUR INVOLVEMENT. YOUR WORK IS SIGNIFICANT, IT IS VALUABLE. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. AND FOR A SERVICE, ALEX, YOU KNOW, CRAIG'S GIVEN YOU 60 DAYS. I'LL, I'LL GO, I'LL GO ALONG WITH THAT. WE, WE'VE GOTTA SEE, WE GOTTA SEE THE COURAGE. PLEASE, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL DUNN. WELL, I'M IN AN ODD POSITION. UM, 'CAUSE IF I THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE, I'M BASICALLY THANKING MYSELF, WHICH FEELS A LITTLE ODD. UM, HOWEVER, I I I THINK THAT IT HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT THEME IN OUR MEETINGS. AND CARL CAN CORRECT ME IF I'VE MISINTERPRETED IT, BUT IT'S BEEN A CONSISTENT THEME IN THE MEETINGS THAT WE WERE DOING ALL OF THE DATA ANALYSIS AND THE MONITORING TO SHOW THE IMPACT OF SPEED AND THE IMPACT OF VOLUME AND THE IMPACT OF ALL THOSE THINGS. AND YOU, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S JUST NOT IGNORED. UM, AND SAY IT'S TOO DIFFICULT TO DO IT, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA PRETEND WE NEVER SAW IT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO BE IN A GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT PERHAPS AS I HAVE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT WORRIES TO DO, LIKE WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT'S GONNA SHUT DOWN. RIGHT? I I GET THAT. BUT YOU LIVE HERE AND YOU'RE A MEMBER BASICALLY OF OUR BROADER COMMUNITY. AND, UM, WE PROBABLY HAVE HIGHER EXPECTATIONS BECAUSE OF THAT. YOU KNOW, UH, WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE EMERGENCY AUTHORITY OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW QUITE HONESTLY. BUT NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER. AND ANY OF US WHO HAVE EVER DONE ANY OF THESE COMPLICATED THINGS, WE KNOW THAT. AND WE HAVE BEEN STEADFAST IN SAYING WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AROUND MORGAN. UM, AND THAT WHILE WE REALLY HURT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT IN THE WESTERN CANYON REGIONS AS A MEMBER OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, WE LOOK TO SEDONA FIRST AND THEN OUTSIDE OUR JURISDICTION AFTER. BUT IF WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND IT WORKS ON MORGAN, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU ALREADY HAVE AT LEAST A PARTIAL SOLUTION OF LOOKING FORWARD TOWARDS WHAT WE COULD DO IN THE WESTERN CANYONS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S MORE COMPLICATED. SO I, I THINK EVERYONE HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR FROM THE TIME I STARTED, WHICH I GRANT YOU. THAT WAS LIKE AFTER MEMORIAL DAY. SO I, I'VE BEEN THERE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS THE SAME MESSAGE. WE NEED THE FOREST SERVICE TO STEP UP IN WHATEVER WAY THEY CAN STEP UP AND HELP US OUT. BECAUSE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HEAVY HANDED, THE CITY COULD DO SOME PRETTY HEAVY HANDED THINGS THAT WILL MAKE THE FOREST SERVICE FEEL REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THE DECISIONS THAT THEY'VE MADE. AND WE'RE ABOUT TO DISCUSS THAT AFTER THIS. SO, UH, WE NEED YOU TO STEP UP AND HELP US OUT HERE AND HELP THE RESIDENTS OUT HERE. UM, WE, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT. I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR. I LOVE THE 60 DAYS. I JUST REALLY, UM, HOPE CRAIG'S UP FOR THE TASK. SO I, THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY, I GUESS. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DUN, UH, VICE MAYOR. YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE PARTNERSHIP, ALEX, THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, WHERE WE DO ALL THE WORK AND [04:00:01] FUND IT AND YOU GIVE US PERMISSION TO GO ONTO YOUR LAND, IS A PRETTY SKEWED PARTNERSHIP. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DO IT FOR MORGAN ROAD, WE WOULD DO IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO IT, BUT WE WOULD DO IT BECAUSE IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO US. SO I'M JUST ONE VOTE ON THE COUNCIL, BUT THAT YOU WOULD GET MY VOTE FOR THAT I WOULD MOVE SOMETHING OFF OR RECOMMEND MOVING SOMETHING OFF OUR PRIORITY LIST TO GET THAT DONE AND PAY FOR IT. YOU JUST HAVE TO TELL US IT'S OKAY. AND YOU TOLD ME WHEN WE MET, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO UP TO WASHINGTON, DC OR ANYWHERE ELSE. YOU COULD JUST MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WELL, AARON COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. NO, HE SAID HE COULD DO IT. WELL THAT, NO, I KNOW HE, BUT THEY BOTH, I, I UNDERSTAND. AND AARON TOLD US ACTUALLY WHEN WE MET WITH HIM THAT HE WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THE GSRC TOLD HIM TO DO. SO IF THE G-G-S-R-C SAID PERMIT FOREST SERVICE WOULD GO FOR PERMIT, AND HE DID THAT WITH THE MAYOR AND MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER, FORMER CITY MANAGER IN A ROOM HERE ON THIS SITE ONLY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. SO THAT CONTRIBUTES TO OUR DISAPPOINTMENT AS WELL. WHEN THE SUPERVISOR TELLS US, THEY JUST HAVE TO TELL ME THEY WANT IT AND WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON, ANYTHING? OH, PROBABLY . DON'T LET ME TWIST YOUR ARM. NOW I HAVE TO SAY THAT, UM, I'M VERY IMPRESSED BY THE FACT THAT THE REPRESENTATIVES OF ALL THE GROUPS, HIGH LEVEL REPRESENTATIVES CAME HERE THIS EVENING MM-HMM. AND HAVE STAYED DURING THIS UNBEARABLE DISCUSSION AND, AND CONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM. UM, I THINK THAT IS A TESTAMENT TO THE COHESIVENESS OF THE GROUP AND TO, TO THE WORTH OF, OF THIS ENDLESS PROCESS, UM, THAT BASICALLY TRIES TO BRING INDIVIDUAL AGENCIES WITH INDIVIDUAL MISSIONS AND INDIVIDUAL MANDATES AND IN DIFFERENT WAYS OF PROCEEDING, DIFFERENT WAYS OF HANDLING THINGS, UH, TO WORK TOGETHER AS A GROUP. AND I THINK THAT, AS BRIAN SAID, WE'VE SEEN, I SAW A LOT OF THE, OF THE REPORTS THAT I SAW UP THERE, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD OUTCOMES ON, ON SOME LEVELS FROM, FROM BRINGING THESE PEOPLE TOGETHER WHO REALLY, IT, IT'S SORT OF LIKE MOUNTAIN LIONS AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW. AND, AND RABBITS, THEY, I MEAN, THEY DON'T NATURALLY COME TOGETHER TO WORK TOGETHER IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO. AND I THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD MECHANISM FOR GETTING THAT TO HAPPEN. AND I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR WORK ON THAT. I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. UM, I AM, AS I SAID BEFORE, EXTREMELY, AND I WILL JUST, I'M GONNA REPEAT BECAUSE I THINK THIS REALLY IS THE SALIENT POINT, WHICH IS I WAS TOLD IN THIS ROOM BY THE HEAD OF, OF THE REGION OR WHATEVER SHE WAS, THAT THIS WAS THE PROCESS. AND IF IT CAME OUT AT THE END, IT WOULD HAPPEN. AND THEN TO HEAR IT, AND THEN I WASN'T IN THE MEETING WITH THE MAYOR AND THE VICE MAYOR TO HEAR THAT IT WAS REPEATED IN A, IN A SMALL MEETING WITH THEM FROM, FROM THE HIGHER UP THAT IF IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THEY WOULD MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND, AND WE SORT OF SAT HERE AND WE FUNDED WHAT NEEDED TO BE FUNDED AND THEN TO HAVE IT, IT'S REALLY, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. AND I GUESS THAT'S THE, THE RUB THAT, THAT I KEEP FEELING. UM, I KNOW THE FOREST SERVICE HAS LIT, HAS NO MONEY, AND I KNOW THE FOREST SERVICE HAS NO STAFF AND I KNOW THE FOREST SERVICE HAS AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THEY'RE EXPECTED TO DO THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT SEDONA WATTS ABOUT ATVS. I KNOW THAT'S TRUE. UM, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS HAS BEEN THE PROCESS THAT THE VICE MAYOR LAID OUT. AND, UH, AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY CAN'T FORCE THE FOREST SERVICE TO DO ANYTHING, UM, IT, IT'S [04:05:01] JUST REALLY A SAD, A SAD WAY THIS WENT DOWN. I THINK THE RESTORATION WORK HAS BEEN AMAZING. I THINK THAT THAT HAS BEEN A, FOR ME, A REAL HIGH POINT IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WHEN PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING GET TOGETHER A LOT OF TIMES ON THEIR DAYS OFF AND GO AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE AND I'M VERY PLEASED ABOUT THAT. EDUCATION AND SIGNS ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE IN THE END, UH, WHAT, WHAT GETS DONE AND WHAT WORKS. SO EVEN THOUGH I SAID, OH, THE ANSWER IS EDUCATION, JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN THE ANSWER TO EVERY OTHER ISSUE THAT EVER COMES BEFORE ANYBODY, IT ACTUALLY IS THE ANSWER. SO I HAVE NO TROUBLE WITH THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, THE SEDONA PASS, THE SOLDIERS PASS ISSUE, I THINK WAS VERY PIVOTAL. P PIVOTAL PI PIVOTAL FOR ME AT THE, UH, BECAUSE I WAS ON COUNCIL THEN AND WE HEARD THE RESIDENTS AND THE FOREST SERVICE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY. THE CITY PAID FOR THE NEPA. WE DID WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. AND, AND IT WORKED. AND I MEAN, I SORT OF THOUGHT THIS WOULD WORK TOO. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO, TO FILL IN WHERE SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND I KNOW THE FOREST SERVICE HAS NO MONEY. SO I THINK THOSE OF US ARE NOT WITHSTANDING YOUR COMP, THE FOREST SERVICE COMPLICATED EXPLANATION OF HOW IT'S 7,300 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF USERS AND, AND INTERACTION AND, UM, RURAL URBAN HAPPEN. UM, IT, WE SAW IT COULD BE DONE. AND MORGAN ROAD IS A PLACE WHERE IT CLEARLY, CLEARLY, I THINK OBJECTIVELY NEEDS TO BE DONE. MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT, IS IT GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE AND MORE PERMITTING SYSTEMS IMPLEMENTED IN A LOT OF PLACES BECAUSE THE VOLUME OF USE IS JUST GROWING SO DRAMATICALLY. AND SO SOMETIMES IT SEEMS TO ME IT MAKES SENSE TO SORT OF EMBRACE THE FUTURE AND DO IT WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO BE DONE. UM, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT SPEED HERE AND I KNOW THAT I WILL DISAGREE WITH EVERYBODY ON THIS. I DON'T WANNA BE STUCK BEHIND AN H AN A TV GOING 35 MILES AN HOUR DOWN CRAIG DRY CREEK ROAD, I'M SORRY, 15 MILES AN HOUR, 15 MILES AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, RIGHT? THAT DRY CREEK ROAD. AND I JUST, I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. I KNOW I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE OVERRULED, BUT I DON'T, I MEAN, I KNOW EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT SAFETY. I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY NOTICED A LOT OF ISSUES ON DRY CREEK ROAD OF SAFE OF, OF I, I SEE PEOPLE ROLLING THEIR EYES IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE. I PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK OUT THERE. UM, WHAT HAPPENS ON FOREST SERVICE PROPERTY IS SOMETHING ELSE. I THINK PERHAPS ON DIRT AND, AND IN, IN A, IN THE FOREST SERVICE, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. I WON'T BE CAUGHT BEHIND THEM, UM, GOING ON PAVEMENT. SO I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT PERSONALLY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF REDUCING THE SPEED LIMIT TO 15 MILES AN HOUR ON ASPHALT. SO THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILOR FURMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. LEADS ME TO MY FAVORITE SAYING IN THESE OCCASIONS THAT IT'S ALL BEEN SAID ALREADY, UH, BUT NOT BY EVERYBODY. SO HERE I GO, , I HAVE A COPY OF EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD. UH, I, I, I WILL, I WILL CHIME IN TO SAY THAT I TOO THOUGHT THAT THIS PROCESS THAT WE LAUNCHED WAS THE, A COMPILATION OF A MORE PROFESSIONAL, MORE THOROUGH, STAKEHOLDER SUPPORTED PROCESS THAT THE FOREST SERVICE WAS GONNA SAY, OKAY, UH, UH, LET'S, LET'S MOVE IN THE DIRECTION IF THERE WAS CONSENSUS, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT A BIG CONSENSUS GUY. IT'S A MAJORITY VOTE THAT IS OUR, UH, FORM OF GOVERNMENT IN THIS, UH, IN THIS COUNTRY. UM, UH, AND SO I EXPECT, I WAS HOPING TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ENTHUSIASM FROM THE FOREST SERVICE PERSPECTIVE POINT OF VIEW, SAYING, OKAY, UH, I, I DON'T EXPECT THAT IT'S A DONE DEAL. AND GETTING FROM [04:10:01] HERE TO THE END IS STILL A BIG LIFT. THESE ARE GOVERNMENT PROCESSES AFTER ALL, AND I WILL STILL EXPECT IT POTENTIALLY TO GET SIDEWAYS. BUT I REALLY THOUGHT IF THE REPORT WAS CLEAR THAT WE'D HAVE SOME SUPPORT FROM THE SURF FOREST SERVICE TO MOVE TOWARDS PERMITTING AND, UH, UH, UH, AROUND BROKEN ARROW PARTICULARLY, AND, AND ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE. THE WORK IN THIS DOCUMENT IS, IS BEAUTIFUL. IT REALLY IS A VERY THOROUGH AND I THINK, PROFESSIONALLY DONE DOCUMENT. AND I'M VERY HAPPY AS I LEAVE THROUGH ALL THE HUNDREDS OF PAGES THAT ARE IN THERE. YOU, UH, ALL DID TREMENDOUS WORK PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. AND, AND I HAD ASSUMED THAT IT WAS GONNA CARRY THE DAY AND MOVE IT FORWARD. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE EXPRESSING IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE MADE THE IMPACT THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA MAKE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT ONLY DO I WALK AND CYCLE ALL OVER, BUT I'M ALSO A BACKPACKER. AND EVERY DAY IT SEEMS, I TURN AROUND AND SEE HEAVY HANDED APPROACHES BEING USED, ESPECIALLY IN THE NATIONAL FOREST SERVICE. I GET, THAT'S NOT THE US FOREST SERVICE, BUT NATIONAL PARKS SYSTEMS ARE DOING PERMITTED THINGS. E EVERY PLACE I TURN AROUND TO THESE DAYS. AND THE HEAVY HANDED APPROACH IS JUST NECESSARY FOR WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR WORLD TODAY. THAT THERE'S MORE USE, THERE'S MORE UNTHOUGHTFUL USE, RIGHT? AND SO THE HEAVY HANDED APPROACH SEEMS TO BE NEEDED. AND, AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE USED AROUND HERE TOO. WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. SO, THAT'S MY COMMENTS, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. I WOULD PROBABLY MAKE IT EASY AND JUST SAY DITTO TO EVERYTHING, BUT I WON'T. UM, I, I HAVE TO SAY, I, I DO THINK THAT THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD EFFORT. UM, IT WAS GREAT TEAM BUILDING. I'M GLAD TO SEE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER. I THINK THE INFORMATION HERE WAS VALUABLE. I LIKE THAT THINGS ARE LAID OUT. SO THERE IS REALLY A, A TRUE AND DEEP APPRECIATION FOR THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. THE VOLUNTEER HOURS THAT WENT INTO IT, EVERYBODY THAT GAVE THEIR TIME, REALLY, THANK YOU. HOWEVER, I DO REMEMBER THIS, THE WAY THAT IT WAS LAID OUT BY THE VICE MAYOR, AND THAT THERE WAS A, I DON'T WANNA SAY PROMISE, BUT CERTAINLY AN EXPECTATION THAT FOREST SERVICES, HERE'S THE PROCESS WE NEED SO THAT YOU HAVE OUR BACK SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A LEGITIMATE CLAIM THAT A PERMIT SYSTEM IS WHAT'S NEEDED. HELP US, HELP US TO HELP YOU BY GIVING US A PROCESS AND GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET TO THIS GOAL. THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT THE CITY FUNDED, PARTICIPATED IN, DIRECTED. THERE WAS A CLEAR GOAL, UM, AT THIS POINT, TWO PLUS YEARS AFTER THAT, I DID HAVE AN EXPECTATION WHEN WE WERE ALL WAITING FOR THE GSRC REPORT TO COME OUT. BEFORE IT DID, I THOUGHT THE NEXT CONVERSATION WE WOULD BE HAVING WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A PERMIT SYSTEM. BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE. AND I, I, IT'S A, A DEEP, DEEP, DEEP DISAPPOINTMENT. 'CAUSE IS THERE A SILVER BULLET? YEAH. WELL, CERTAINLY FROM MORGAN ROAD, THERE IS FOR BROKEN ARROW. THERE IS WITH A PERMIT SYSTEM THAT WOULD FIX THAT. UM, WOULD A PERMIT SYSTEM HELP REDUCING THE DEVASTATION TO THE FOREST IN THE FOREST AREA WHERE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE BREAD AND BUTTER FOR SEDONA. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME HERE, IS FOR THE BEAUTY OF THE LANDS THAT ARE CONTINUALLY BEING DESTROYED BY WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, WOULD A PERMIT SYSTEM BE A SILVER BULLET DOWN THERE? MAYBE NOT A COMPLETE SILVER BULLET, BUT IT WOULD BE A BRONZE BULLET. IT'D GET US, IT'D GET US THERE. UM, SO I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. AND I TAKE THAT BACK. I'M SENDING THAT OUT AGAIN WITH I BACK THAT UP. WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR US TO GET YOU, YOU ASKED US FOR A SYSTEM, I'M SORRY, ALEX, LOOKING AT YOU. AND IT'S, YOU WEREN'T HERE. NONE OF THIS IS YOUR FAULT AND YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD PARTNER, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING FORWARD OUR MESSAGE. BUT THE SERVICE, THE FOREST SERVICE ASKS US TO DO THIS. NOW WE'RE ASKING YOU THE SAME QUESTION. YOU TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET YOU TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU CAN HELP US. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THE PERMIT SYSTEM. I ALSO STILL DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING. I'M LOOKING AT THE NEXT STEPS AGAIN, AND IT'S GOT THE 1 52 C EYEBROW ROAD REALIGNMENT, BUT I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COMMITMENT IS TO THAT ROAD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ROAD WOULD HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING DOWN THERE. THE, THE DUST, THE NOISE, THE INTRUSION. UM, SO [04:15:01] I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS. I'D LIKE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMITMENT IS TO THE EYEBROW. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE. UM, THE SPEED LIMIT, ACTUALLY, I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON, I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE SPEED LIMIT REDUCTION FOR SOME VEHICLES, BUT NOT OTHERS, MAKES SENSE. BECAUSE YOU'RE EITHER STUCK BEHIND IT. YOU HAVE OTHER VEHICLES THAT ARE STILL GOING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONSISTENT SPEED LIMIT IN THE FOREST SERVICE THAT IS GREATLY REDUCED. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES FOR US IN THIS CASE ON, UM, MORGAN ROAD. SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT UP THERE WITH THE SPEED LIMIT AT THIS POINT. I, I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED. UM, SO WITH THAT, AGAIN, I JUST, AGAIN, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET US TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY GETTING A PERMIT SYSTEM? THAT IS THE QUESTION OUT THERE TO GSRC. NOT, THERE'S NOT ANOTHER QUESTION FROM ME. WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE. I ASKED ABOUT EYEBROW, BUT WHAT THAT IS THE MAIN QUESTION. WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET US TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING, WHAT WE'VE THOUGHT WE WERE FUNDING, WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE ALL WORKING TOWARD. SO I, I END WITH THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, PETE SAID, PETE SANDERS SAID, FUND THE NEXT STEP. WHY? THIS MONEY IS PUBLIC MONEY. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO USE PUBLIC MONEY, SPEND PUBLIC MONEY WISELY, LIKE ALL OF YOUR ORGANIZATIONS. YOU ALL CAREFUL HOW YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY. WE SPENT WHATEVER IT WAS WE SPENT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PROCESS. WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING THAT WE WERE PROMISED. WHY WOULD I WANNA DO IT AGAIN? NOW, I WANNA BE A GOOD PARTNER AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, BUT WHO WOULD SPEND MONEY AND THEN KNOW YOU'RE GONNA WASTE IT AGAIN AND JUST HAPPILY DO THAT. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M GONNA BE WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR THE NEXT STEP, BUT I'M REALLY CAUTIOUS ABOUT PUTTING PUBLIC FUNDS IN THE GARBAGE. AND I'M GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT BECAUSE I'VE SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY, AND I DON'T WANNA REPEAT MYSELF, BUT I'M, I HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS WHEN IT WITH THE, FOR THE, THE, UH, THE NEXT STEP. SO LET'S, UH, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT TO ADD? WE'LL CLOSE THIS ITEM OUT. OKAY. WE HAVE, IT'S FOR PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION. UH, IS THERE ANY DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO HAVE FROM THE COUNCIL? IS THERE, IS THERE, ARE WE PURSUING THIS IDEA OF, AGAIN, SENDING THAT DIRECT REQUEST FOR PERMIT SYSTEM BACK AND HAVING HIS 60 DAY RESPONSE TO THAT? I MEAN, THAT WAS WHAT CRAIG SORT OF LAID OUT THERE. UM, I THINK I HEARD SOME SUPPORT FOR THAT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW. I I JUST WANT A REAL ANSWER FROM THE FOREST SERVICE ABOUT YOU. OKAY. YOU USED THE WORDS HEAVY HANDED AT THIS TIME. TO ME, THAT WASN'T LIKE THE FIRM. ABSOLUTE, ABSOLUTE. NO. I WANT TO EITHER HEAR THE ABSOLUTE NO, AND THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO CONTINUE. OR I WANT TO HEAR, YES, WE'RE MO WE ARE GONNA DO THIS AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO THAT. SO I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE FEEDBACK TO THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE POSED UP HERE. ANYBODY WISH TO RESPOND? ALEX? CAN, CAN YOU, DO YOU FEEL YOU'RE CAPABLE? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE CAPABLE, BUT DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU, YOU ARE IN A POSITION TO RESPOND? OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE AARON, UH, CONTACT ME OR US? WELL, WE CAN GIVE A, A LONGER RESPONSE, BUT, BUT I'LL JUST REITERATE WHAT I'VE SAID IS THAT WE CAN TRY SOME OF THESE LIGHTER APPROACHES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPROACH THAT'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERMIT SYSTEM. IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO A PERMIT SYSTEM, TELL ME. OUR INTENTION WOULD BE TO TRY THOSE FIRST. OKAY, THEN THAT'S NOT, THAT'S A NO NO AT THIS TIME. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. SAME ANSWER IN 60 DAYS AFTER YOU'VE GONE BACK AND HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH OTHER PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT. GIVE US THE 60 DAYS TO, TO DISCUSS IT. I'LL, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'M GOING TO, I'LL CALL AARON TOMORROW AND I'LL TALK WITH HIM BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT MADE THE COMMITMENT. YOU DIDN'T, YOU WEREN'T HERE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING? EVERYBODY IN HERE, YOU SEE THE CAMERAS. THESE MEETINGS ARE ALL RECORDED. AND WE HAVE THAT RECORDING. I JUST CHECKED, WE HAVE THAT RECORDING FROM THAT MEETING. I'M GONNA WATCH IT JUST TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE RIGHT. BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES, SOMEONE'S GOTTA BITE THE BULLET. AND WHEN A COMMITMENT IS MADE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE ASKING US FOR MONEY, A COMMITMENT'S MADE, HONOR IT. [04:20:01] NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR POLICY, WHILE WE'RE GONNA TRY THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S OFF THE TABLE AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, PERMIT SYSTEM AND MORGAN ROAD, THAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. BRIAN, I THINK TO COUNSELOR KINSELLA, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, I THINK LIKE THE ANSWER FOR LIKE EYEBROW ROAD IN PARTICULAR WOULD BE PART OF A, A SLIGHTLY BROADER NEXT STEP, WHICH IS ALL OF THE PROJECTS OR STRATEGIES THAT WERE PROPOSED, RIGHT? SO I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHAT'S THE PRIORITY OF THOSE, WHAT'S REALLY GONNA HAPPEN AND SO FORTH. AND EYEBROW IS DEFINITELY A HIGH PRIORITY, I THINK TO US. UH, 'CAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE THAN JUST A RESPONSE ON THE EYEBROW, I THINK IS A NEXT STEP, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S IT. WITHIN THEIR BOUNDARY, NOT IN THE CITY. SO, RIGHT. BUT, BUT WE HAVE BEEN, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN FUNDING IT. I I BUT WITH, WITHIN THEIR REPORT, THERE'S THAT SERIES OF STRATEGIES AND WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE PRIORITY OF THEM, WHAT, WHO'S GONNA DO WHAT AND WHEN. SO WE WANT ALL OF THAT. SO THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE GET THAT WITHIN 60 DAYS? WHO, WHO CAN ANSWER THAT? NO, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WELL LET 'EM ANSWER. YEAH, ALEX, I THINK OUR PRIORITIES WOULD DIFFER BY AGENCY. WE HAVE DIFFERENT MISSIONS, WE HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, MOTIVATIONS. SO, SO YOU WOULD GET DIFFERENT RESPONSES, WHETHER IT'S WITHIN 60 DAYS. I MEAN, WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT. I MEAN, CLEARLY WE, WE LOOK AT THIS REPORT AND WE THINK ABOUT WHAT'S FEASIBLE FOR OUR OWN ORGANIZATION. SO I DON'T THINK 60 DAYS IS UNREASONABLE TO HAVE A RESPONSE, WHETHER IT MEETS THE EXPECTATIONS YOU HAVE. UH, I, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO CLARIFY WHAT THOSE EXPECTATIONS ARE SO THAT WE CAN SCOTT HIT 'EM. WHAT, WHAT'S THE PRIORITY OF, OF ALL THOSE STRATEGIES, WHAT'S THE PRIORITY OF GETTING THEM ACCOMPLISHED? WHO'S GONNA OWN THEM? WHAT RESOURCES ARE REQUIRED? I MEAN, IT'S STANDARD PROJECT MANAGEMENT KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND I THINK COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON WANTS TO ADD, WELL, I WANTED TO SORT OF SAY, ISN'T THAT THE LARGER G-G-R-G-S-R-C ROLE? I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY ALEX'S ROLE. AND SO I'M NOT POINTING TO HIM AS HAVING TO ANSWER THAT. I'M SAYING I KNOW, BUT HE'S UP THERE ACTING LIKE IT IS, AND I'M SAYING I DON'T THINK IT IS. I WOULD ASK THE, THE, THE GROUP WHETHER, WHAT A TIMEFRAME WHERE WE COULD GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO US WOULD BE SO, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. NO, YOU'RE FINE. OKAY. SO, SO I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE TABLE, QUESTIONS ON THE TABLE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET AN ANSWER. WE ARE NOT. IS ANYBODY, CERTAINLY ANYBODY, I'VE LOST TRACK OF EXACTLY WHICH QUESTIONS QUESTION. WHAT I'VE HEARD IS QUESTION. YOU TEND TO DO THAT. WE GET AN, I'VE HEARD TWO THINGS FROM BRIAN. I'VE HEARD YOU WANT A BREAKDOWN OF THE STRATEGIES AND PRICE PRIORITIZED IN SOME WAY THROUGH DISCUSSION WITH THE GSRC AND SOME DOLLAR FIGURES. I DON'T KNOW KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW COMPLICATED SOME OF THESE ARE. WE CAN, WE'RE CONVENING ON MAY 9TH, AND YOU COULD BE CERTAIN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT. SO CAN WE STOP WITH THAT? I, I THINK THIS 60 DAY THING, I DON'T WANT YOU TO JUST BE DISAPPOINTED, RIGHT? WITH, WELL, 61. WELL, LET'S JUST, I DON'T, I WANNA BE REASONABLE ABOUT WHAT THAT'S GONNA TAKE, AND I CAN'T ANSWER THAT FROM RIGHT HERE. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S A WHOLE COMMITMENT OF FOLKS WHO ARE WILLING TO UNDERTAKE THAT. THERE'S ALSO THE PERMIT QUESTION, RIGHT? AND THAT'S POINTED DIRECTLY AT ALEX. AND I THINK THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. OKAY. SO I, I GUESS I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ASKS THAT WE MAKE SURE IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL GETTING TIRED OF THIS CONVERSATION, THAT THOSE ARE CLEARLY WRITTEN DOWN SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO THOSE IN A WAY THAT'S CLEAR. 'CAUSE I'M, THERE'S A LOT OF ASKS AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO THOSE. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU HEAR AS THE ASKS? YEAH, I'M, BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT WE WERE PRETTY CLEAR, RIGHT? I DON'T HEAR A LOT, RIGHT? BRIAN'S IS CLEAR. I'M A LITTLE LESS CONCERNED ON WHAT YOU NEED FROM THE FOREST, HONESTLY. AND MAYBE ALEX HAS GOT IT. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT HE, I'LL JUST READ WHAT I WROTE. SO WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE FOR EACH AGENCY RESOURCES NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH EACH PROJECT? AND I WOULD ADD, WHAT ARE THE CONTINGENCIES? THANK YOU FOR THAT, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NICE TO HAVE A BUDGET TO SAY THIS IS GONNA COST 7 80, 700 50,000, BUT IF THERE'S NO SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THAT, DEFINITELY A CONTINGENCY. SO , I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHO'S GONNA FUND IT. AND IF THERE'S NO POSSIBLE FUNDING FOR IT, WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT TOO. SO THANK YOU FOR ADDING THAT. THE PRIORITY IS, IT'S 60 DAYS WOULD BE TOUGH FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE, WE BALANCE THEM AGAINST ALL OUR OTHER PRIORITIES. LIKE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE IN OUR PLANNING CYCLE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, SO IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD TIMING. THAT WON'T BE DONE FOR A FEW MONTHS, BUT [04:25:01] WE'RE IN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S DEFINITELY RELEVANT. I JUST AM A LITTLE, I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION. ABOUT THE AND BROKEN ARROW. YEAH. ABOUT FOREST SERVICES SUGGESTION THAT THEY BUILD A BIG STAGING AREA AND THAT IT'D BE FI THEY THEY PUT IN FOR A GRANT. UM, SO ARE YOU PLANNING ON MOVING AHEAD WITH THAT NOW? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ON? I BELIEVE THAT, THAT SEEMED TO ME TO BE LEFT OPEN. I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO DO THAT. WHAT'S THAT? OUR STAFF, OUR STAFF TO, BECAUSE THEY EXPECT US TO PAY FOR IT. I, I AND THEY'RE GONNA GET THE GRANT FOR THE NO, THEY'RE GONNA GET, YOU ASKED ME THE, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. I, I THE ALEX SAID HE WAS GOING TO PUT IN, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR A GRANT TO PAY FOR THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, RIGHT? CAN I CLARIFY? SO ABSOLUTELY WHAT MY ASK IS, IS, IS TO WORK WITH THE CITY, UHHUH , I'M NOT SURE WHO SPECIFICALLY THAT THE RIGHT ENTITY WOULD BE. THE CITY OF SEDONA WOULD BE A MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE GRANT APPLICANT THAN WOULD THE FOREST SERVICE BE FOR THIS SAME PROJECT? IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHO'S APPLYING FOR IT IN COMBINATION WITH THE FACT THAT THE CITY MOST LIKELY HAS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT CONTRACTING AND CHEAPER CONTRACTING PROCESSES THAN US. SO WORKING WITH THEM TO COLLABORATIVELY DEVELOP WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT PROJECT HAS IN MY MIND THREE PHASES. THE FIRST ONE IS THE DESIGN, GETTING WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS A, A CONCEPTUAL, IT'S A, IT'S A DRAWING TO AN ENGINEERED DESIGN THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES. THAT'S PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO IS THE FOREST SERVICE, DOING THE NEPA AUTHORIZING THE PROJECT. WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE ENGINEER DESIGN. AND PHASE THREE IS ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN DO A GRANT, $750,000 IS OUR ESTIMATE FOR ONE AND THREE. SO FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, THE FOREST SERVICE ROLE IN THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT, THAT FUNDING AT ALL. AND WE WOULD TAKE ON THE NEPA IN-HOUSE, NOT A THIRD PARTY. OKAY. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S FAIRLY THAT NO, I UNDERSTAND. HOW LONG WOULD THAT NEPA TAKE? MY GUESS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOT A REALLY WEALTH FLESHED OUT ACTION AND WE KNOW IT'S COMING, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN THREE MONTHS, I WOULD THINK. OKAY. I I JUST, JESSICA, JUST A SECOND. KAREN WALKED AWAY IN ON OH, GREAT ONE, UH, CONTINUOUSLY. THAT'S ASSUMING WE DON'T FIND RESO ISSUES WITH RESOURCES LIKE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT OR CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT WE AREN'T ABLE TO WORK THROUGH. I DON'T EXPECT THAT, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY WITH OUR PROJECTS. UNDERSTOOD. SO, THANK KAREN. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING ME, MAYOR. I, I WOULD JUST CAUTION AGAINST YES, EITHER APPLYING FOR A GRANT STARTING DESIGN ON A PROJECT. THANK YOU. THAT I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVEMENT THAT'S HAPPENED. WE JUST HEARD AT LEAST ONE BROKEN ARROW RESIDENT SAY THAT THEY DON'T DESIRE THIS PROJECT. AND WE JUST HAD A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE CHAPEL ROAD PARKING LOT, WHERE THE CITY WORKED WITH THE FOREST TO DESIGN AND PLAN TO BUILD A PARKING LOT. AND WHEN THE NEIGHBORS FOUND OUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING, THE, THE PROJECT IS NOW DEAD. AND SO I, I JUST WOULD, I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH GSRC HAS ENGAGED THE BROKEN ARROW NEIGHBORHOOD MORE THAN JUST THE COUPLE REPRESENTATIVES. YES. BUT I THINK THAT HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE CITY WOULD COMMIT TO MOVING THIS FORWARD. OR WE WOULD REPLY FOR GRANT. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF MY QUESTION WAS TO GET TO THERE. OKAY. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ALEX, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH ANNETTE MOVING FORWARD, AND HOWEVER SHE SEES FIT FOR HER STAFF AND HER TIME AND FUNDING AND WHATEVER ELSE, IT'LL COME UNDER HER, UH, HER LEADERSHIP SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. NOW, CAN WE READY? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF YOU WANNA HANG OUT FOR THE NEXT OHV DISCUSSION, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT. ACTUALLY, I WOULD RECOMMEND IT. YOU WILL MOVE OVER. OKAY. ITEM [8.c. AB 2950 Discussion/possible action regarding an Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Title 10 (Vehicles and Traffic) by adding Chapter 10.30 (Improper Motor Vehicle Equipment) and a voluntary agreement with local OHV rental companies.] C, AB 29 50 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE 10 VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC BY ADDING CHAPTER 10.30 IMPROPER MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT, AND A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL OHV RENTAL COMPANIES. SORRY, KURT'S GONNA START AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO, WE'LL JUMP IN TO THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS AS WELL. [04:30:17] IT'S ON, BUT DID YOU BREAK IT, KURT? WHAT'D YOU DO? GEE, IT'S THE, IT'S ON, ON THERE. DOESN'T WANNA TURN OFF. HELP JOE. THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT, UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU. THIS IS, UH, JUST THE TIMELINE OF THE IMPROPER MOTOR VEHICLE ORDINANCE. UH, LAST TIME COUNSEL DISCUSSED, THIS WAS SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS SUGGESTED TO BE PUT ON HOLD FOR SIX MONTHS UNTIL APRIL 9TH, 2024, WHICH IS TONIGHT. UM, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND, IT HASN'T CHANGED. HV STILL DON'T HAVE DOT APPROVED TIRES. THEY'RE STILL, UH, CONSIDERED UNSAFE, UM, BY THE MANUFACTURERS ROVA. THE MANUFACTURING, UH, ASSOCIATION, UH, LOBBIES THE STATE LEGISLATURES TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE NOT STREET LEGAL, UH, BUT THE ARE IN ARIZONA. UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER INFORMATION THERE. UH, THE MANUFACTURER POSITIONS HAVEN'T CHANGED. HERE'S A 2024 POLARIS EXPEDITION OWNER'S MANUAL THAT SAYS THEY SHOULD AVOID OPERATING ON PUBLIC ROADS. UM, THEY'RE MISSING SAFETY FEATURES. UM, AND WHILE IT'S NOT, WHILE MAYBE LEGAL TO DRIVE ON SOME PUBLIC ROADS, IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED, UH, TO DRIVE ON ON PAVED REPUBLIC ROADS. UH, THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY, STATUTORY AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE HASN'T CHANGED EITHER. UM, THE CITY STILL, UH, THROUGH A RS TITLE 28, TOLD TO ADOPT ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS RELATED TO CONTROL AND MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC. UH, THE OHV SPECIFIC SECTION OF STATE LOSS SAYS STILL THAT A PERSON SHALL NOT DRIVE AN OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE ON ROADS, TRAILS, ROUTES, OR ERRORS CLOSED AS INDICATED IN THE RULES OF REGULATIONS OF A MUNICIPALITY. UM, AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, IT STILL SAYS THE SAME THING. A PERSON SHALL DRIVE AN OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE ONLY ON ROADS, TRAILS, ROUTES, OR ERRORS THAT ARE OPENED AS INDICATED IN THE RULES OF REGULATIONS OF A MUNICIPALITY. UM, THE CITY HAS NEVER DECLARED ITS ROADS OPEN TO OHV TRAFFIC. UM, THE ORDINANCE WAS PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE OF A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT WITH THE, UH, LOCAL OHV RENTAL COMPANIES. UH, THEY PROPOSED THIS IN LIEU OF THE CITY ADOPTING THE, UH, IMPROPER MOTOR, IMPROPER MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT ORDINANCE. UM, AND THESE WERE THE SEVEN DIFFERENT, UH, PARTS OF THEIR AGREEMENT. AND THIS IS ABOUT WHERE THEY SIT TODAY, UH, DEPENDING ON THE OHV BUSINESS. SO THE FIRST ONE TURNS SIGNAL 71 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT. UM, SOME OF THE VEHICLES ARE HARDER TO PUT TURN SIGNALS ON AND GET 'EM TO INCORPORATE IN THEN OTHERS. UM, THERE'S ALSO FLEETS THAT ARE ROTATING, SO THEY CAN BE A HUNDRED PERCENT AT ONE TIME. UM, A FEW WEEKS LATER THEY CAN END UP, UH, ROTATING SOME EQUIPMENT OUT. SO THEN THEY DROP THEIR PERCENTAGE. UH, THE ENHANCED, UM, CUSTOMER EDUCATION, THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT. UH, ALL FOUR, UH, OHP RENTAL COMPANIES HAVE EXPRESSED THAT IT'S HELPED THEM. AND THEY'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN LESS ACCIDENTS WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS. UH, SPEED GOVERNED TO 35 MILES PER HOUR. UM, THIS IS 24 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, AGAINST SOME OF THE OHVS ARE READILY ABLE TO DO SO, UH, VIA THEIR COMPUTER SYSTEMS. UM, OTHERS DO NOT HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. UH, AS THEY GET MORE MODERNIZED, IT'S LIKELY THAT MORE OF THEM COULD BE GOVERNED. UH, SAME THING WITH QUIETER MUFFLER. SO 29 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT. UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE COMPANY. SOME ARE WORKING WITH DIRECTLY WITH THE MANUFACTURER, SO LIKE POLARIS. UM, AND IF THEY CAN WORK DIRECTLY WITH THEM, THEY CAN GET MUFFLERS THAT'LL FIT. UM, SOME ARE ALREADY QUIETER, LIKE CAN-AM AND HONDAS THAT HAVE, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, EITHER NO, THEY HAVE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION INSTEAD OF CBTS, UH, DIFFERENT MOTOR DESIGNS. UH, BUT THEN SOME OF THEM, WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE MANUFACTURERS, THEY'RE UNABLE TO GET A MUFFLER, UH, TO WORK ON THE, ON THE VEHICLES, ON THE OHP WITHOUT DAMAGING THE MOTOR OR THE, UH, DAMAGING THE HP. SO THAT EXPLAINS THE 29% NUMBER THAT ONE OF THE RENTAL COMPANIES IS WORKING WITH. UH, BUT THAT SAME RENTAL COMPANY, UH, WAS EXPRESSED IN, IN THE MEETINGS WITH STAFF AND WITH, UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, THAT THEY ARE WILLING AND DEDICATED TO CONTINUE TO RESEARCH, TRYING TO FIND WAYS. THEY HAVE NOTHING AGAINST LOUDER MUFFLERS. IT'S JUST THAT THE MARKET AND GENERAL SUPPORTS, OR QUIETER MUFFLERS, JUST THE MARKET GENERALLY ONLY SUPPORTS LOUDER MUFFLERS. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE BUY FOR THEIR O FEESS ARE LOUDER MUFFLERS, NOT QUIETER ONES. UM, THEY CONTINUE TO LIMIT USAGE ON MORGAN DRIVE. UM, THEY ALL HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, TALL DISTINCTIVE FLAGS. AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS THIS PHRASE, AND I JUST QUOTED IN HERE, UM, THAT THEY AGREED TO WORK WITH THE GSRC AND WORK IN UNISON TO, WITH THE CITY TO PROMOTE SAFE USE OF OS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. [04:35:01] AND ON FOREST TRAILS. CONTINUE TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR THE CHANGING TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND PAVE ROADS USED TO ACCESS THE FORCE TO LIMIT PAVE ROAD USAGE. UM, SO THEY DID PARTICIPATE. THEY HAD A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE GSRC. UM, AND I BELIEVE, AND, AND THEY'RE HERE. BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE STILL WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE SAFE USAGE OF OHV ON THE CITY ROADS. THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, HASN'T CHANGED OTHER THAN TO CLARIFY THAT IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO CITY STREETS, UM, NOT STATE HIGHWAYS. UM, IT WOULD STILL PROHIBIT UNSAFE VEHICLES IN GENERAL ON CITY ROADS. AND THEN IT WOULD DECLARE, UM, CURRENTLY SPECIFICALLY THAT CITY ROADS ARE CLOSED TO O HVS. SO THAT'S THE BASIC FORM THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL LAST SEPTEMBER. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THE SLIDESHOW. THERE IS THE, UH, MAP OF OHV ACCIDENTS IN THE AREA. AND LET'S SEE. NOW THERE'S THE, UH, ACROSS THE STATE ANYWAY, UM, DID YOU WANNA GO OVER THIS MAY OR DO YOU WANT, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO YEAH, YOU COULD PUT THE MAP UP THERE. OKAY. OH, IT DIDN'T POP UP. LET ME, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT IT, BUT YOU GUYS ARE NOT. LET ME CLOSE OUT. NO. OKAY. BUT YOU LET ME. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE MAP OF RECENT, UH, OHB CRASHES, UM, 253 SIRIUS 94 FATAL TIME PERIOD OF THAT. AGAIN, KURT, I, YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THE MAYOR. HERE IT IS UP HERE. OH, THERE, IT'S FIVE YEARS. FIVE YEARS, RIGHT? SO, UH, OH, HERE IT IS. I'M LOOKING ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR THIS MAP. SO AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, IT WAS SAID, IT WAS SAID BY SOME PEOPLE THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACCIDENTS IN THE STATE. AND WE DIDN'T KNOW, BUT IT TOOK SOME TIME. BUT THROUGH OUR CONNECTION WITH ADOT, I WAS ABLE TO GET THE, THE INFORMATION THAT'S UP THERE. IT'S NOT SHOWING THE LEGEND ON THERE, BUT FROM, YEAH. OH, THERE IT IS. OKAY. SO FROM, UH, JULY OF 18 TO JUNE OF 23, THERE WERE 91 FATAL ACCIDENTS. UH, 253 SERIOUS INJURIES. AND THAT'S ALL I, I'M BELIEVING THAT THEY'RE ALL ON STATE ROADS AND REGULAR ROADS, NOT IN THE FOREST. MAYBE A ACTUALLY LOOK ON THE MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE A COUPLE IN THE FOREST, BUT, SO THE ACCIDENTS DO HAPPEN. WE DON'T HAVE, WE'RE LUCKY WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF AC BLESS YOU. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ACCIDENTS IN SEDONA, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HAD SOME SERIOUS ONES. SO, UH, KURT MENTIONED THAT THE FOUR COMPANIES HERE HAVE BEEN WILLING TO WORK WITH US IN VARIOUS WAYS, BUT SINCERELY WORKING WITH US. SO I CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT WE, ONE, THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S, I THINK ESPECIALLY AFTER TONIGHT, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE THE IMPACT TO THE FOREST SERVICE. BUT THESE FOUR COMPANIES HAVE ACTED IN VERY, UH, RESPONSIBLE WAYS AS BEST AS THEY COULD. UH, SO WE HAVE THE INFORMATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO, BUT, UH, I CAME UP WITH AN IDEA AND I THREW IT OUT TO THEM. AND THEY'RE SOMEWHAT INTERESTED, MAYBE TOTALLY INTERESTED OF CREATING OUR OWN CITY PERMIT FOR JUST THEIR VEHICLES. WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING, GOING TO INSTITUTE IT. WE WANT TO GO TO TURN IT OVER TO ANNETTE TO FIGURE OUT IF OVER A MONTH OR TWO PERIOD, UH, TIME WHEN SHE HAS STAFF TIME TO DO IT, TO SEE HOW WE WOULD DO IT. BECAUSE IMPLEMENTATION, WE DON'T HAVE MECHANICS THAT ARE GONNA DO INSPECTIONS. SO THEY WOULD SELF-INSPECT, AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE TIRES. OKAY. BUT THEY WOULD DO THE SPEED LIMITERS, WHICH WOULD MAKE THEM GO SLOW ENOUGH, 35 MILES AN HOUR. SO THAT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF, MORE OF THE SAFETY ISSUES TO, UH, MAKE ME COMFORTABLE. IT'S UP TO YOU. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR OPINION AS WELL. SO, UH, BUT BY REDUCING THE SPEED, DOING THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNALS, I THINK IS A BIG START. THEY CAN'T DO THE BUMPERS, THEY CAN'T DO THE ANTILOCK BRAKES, THEY CAN'T, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, UNABLE TO BE DONE. THE MUFFLERS, IT WAS, UH, TOLD TO US THAT FOR AND YES, UH, CAN-AM [04:40:01] AND HONDA ARE QUIETER THAN THE POLARIS, BUT IF THEY DO OTHER MUFFLERS TO REDUCE THE NOISE FURTHER, THEY COULD DAMAGE THE ENGINES BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH BACK PRESSURE. AND IT, TO ME, THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE WANT JUST TO UPDATE YOU HERE. AND YEAH, I'LL LET THE VICE BE, 'CAUSE SHE, YOU CAN ADD SOME OF BRIAN, YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOME AS WELL. BUT I WANTED TO THROW IT OUT JUST TO UPDATE YOU ALL. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING TODAY. THAT WAY, IF THERE'S INTEREST, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FOR ANOTHER VOTE IN A MONTH OR SO. VICE MAYOR. YES. I, I WANTED TO ALSO COMPLIMENT THE FOUR RENTAL COMPANIES FOR WORKING IN, IN, UH, A COLLABORATION WITH US. AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT HAS A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH POLARIS WAS ABLE TO GET POLARIS TO ACTUALLY REDESIGN A MUFFLER AND PUT IT ON THE VEHICLES THAT THEY HAVE. AND THESE ARE NOT, AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE OTHER, UH, RENTAL COMPANIES WHO HAVE POLARIS, IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO THEM. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S REALLY ONLY FOR THIS SPECIAL PROGRAM. BUT, UH, THAT TOOK A LOT OF MUSCLE TO GET THE MANUFACTURER TO GO AND THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO IT. SO I, I FEEL LIKE WHATEVER WE DO, WE HAVE TO PROTECT THESE COMPANIES AND GIVE THEM, THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT IS POSSIBLE WITHIN THEIR ABILITY TO DO IT. UH, AND THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON IT. SO, UH, THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR AFTERMARKET PRODUCTS OR THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO CONVINCE THE MANUFACTURERS. UH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO, UH, THROUGHOUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION WAS THAT WE CAN'T, IF WE COULD ISSUE A PERMIT OF SOME SORT FOR THE RENTAL COMPANIES, WE HAVE TO ALSO DO SOMETHING FOR THE VEHICLES THAT ARE OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS, RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. THEY CAN'T GO ON A STREET TO GET TO A TRAIL. SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT IF THEY WERE WILLING TO DO THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS THAT THE RENTAL COMPANIES DO, DIRECTIONAL SIGNALS, UH, GOVERNORS, MUFFLERS, MUFFLERS, UH, RE AND, UH, THEY COULD ALSO GET A PERMIT. SO WE WOULD BE ENCOURAGING GOOD BEHAVIOR, NOT IN, IN THAT SENSE, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THE OPPOSITE, WHICH IS ENFORCING BA YOU KNOW, GIVING PEOPLE BEING HEAVY HANDED. YES. RIGHT. BEING HEAVY HANDED AGAINST THEM IF FOR, UM, FOR BAD BEHAVIOR. SO I KIND OF LIKED THIS IDEA. IT HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH AT ALL. IT WOULD NOT, IT'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME. BUT THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO EVERYBODY HERE TO GET YOUR OPINIONS. BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I WANT TO ECHO ALSO, UH, MY APPRECIATION FOR THE RENTAL COMPANY OWNERS WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US. I BELIEVE IN GOOD FAITH TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF THE VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE SENDING OUT IN THIS CITY. SO THANK YOU. UH, THREE OF THEM ARE HERE THIS EVENING, SO THANK YOU FOR STICKING OUT THE MEETING THIS EVENING. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I ALSO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF IMPLEMENTING, UH, THE ORDINANCE, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS PERMIT, CITY PERMIT SYSTEM. THAT REQUIRES GREAT DEFINITION STILL. SO I WOULD DO THEM AT THE SAME TIME. I WOULD NOT BE IMPLEMENTING THE ORDINANCE AHEAD OF THE PERMIT SYSTEM, OTHERWISE WE CREATE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND OUR GOAL IS NOT TO INJURE OUR RENTAL COMPANIES THAT OUR BUSINESSES AND OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE TRYING TO DO RIGHT BY, UH, WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT. UH, THE OTHER PIECE I WILL ADD ON IS THAT THROUGH SPEAKING WITH ALEX, WHO LOOKS LIKE HE'S, HE, NO, HE'S THERE. OH, THERE YOU ARE. SORRY. YOU WERE LIKE HIDING BEHIND KURT. SORRY. UH, YOU KNOW, AND SPEAKING WITH ALEX FROM THE FOREST SERVICE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF, UH, PERMITS THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT IS, IS GUIDING PERMITS. UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR THE RENTAL COMPANIES. AND IT'S ANOTHER TOPIC WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT TAKES LONGER TO IMPLEMENT, BUT ALSO CAN HAVE SOME POSITIVE SAFETY ASPECTS WITH THAT. BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE RENTAL CLIENT WHO ARE FOLLOWING A GUIDE FROM THE RENTAL COMPANY. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LOOKED AT AS WELL. BUT THAT IS DEFINITELY A, UH, SECOND STEP BEYOND WHAT WE'RE ALREADY SPEAKING OF. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I WILL JUST SAY IS, IS THAT I DO BELIEVE IT'S TIME TO WIND DOWN THIS COUNCIL SUBGROUP WORKING ON THIS BECAUSE WE'RE [04:45:01] GETTING INTO A LEVEL OF WEEDS NOW THAT IS NOT WHERE I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE. AND AS PER WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, WE NEED TO BE HANDING THIS OFF TO STAFF TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, UH, AT THIS POINT. SO, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GONNA TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. ANNETTE, I DON'T HAVE TO THROW THE BALL INTO YOUR COURT IF KAREN WANTS TO JUMP IN. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA AS FAR AS STAFF TIME, BECAUSE THE POLICE NEED TO WEIGH IN, UH, CODE WOULD NEED TO WEIGH IN. HOW WOULD WE IMPLEMENT IT? THAT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SIGNS, PUBLIC WORKS TO PUT UP SIGNS ON THE ROADS THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE, IT WOULD BE NO OHVS EXCEPT PERMITTED OR HOWEVER IT WOULD NEED TO BE LEGALLY DONE. AND DO YOU FEEL THAT STAFF IS, UH, YOU HAVE SOME TIME COMING UP THAT WE COULD MOVE THIS FORWARD, AT LEAST FOR YOUR RESEARCH? IS THIS, ARE YOU REFERRING TO IMPLEMENTING THIS ORDINANCE OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PERMIT SYSTEM? WELL, BOTH, IT WOULD BE DONE IN TANDEM. OKAY. SO THAT I THINK WILL TAKE A BIT OF TIME BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF WOULD NEED TO RESEARCH. IS ANYBODY ELSE DOING THIS WHERE WE CAN SEE WHAT CODE THEY HAVE IN THEIR CITY THAT WE COULD USE AS A STARTING POINT, AS WELL AS FIGURE OUT WHAT'S IT GONNA TAKE TO CREATE BASICALLY A MINIATURE DMV FUNCTION AT THE CITY, UM, FOR THIS ONE CLASS OF VEHICLES. SO I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE A BIT OF TIME, A FEW MONTHS AT THE VERY LEAST. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN I SUPPOSE IF WE COULD FIND A MODEL, WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH LEGAL ON DRAFTING ALL THE CODE PROVISIONS, THE ENFORCEMENT LANGUAGE, THE APPEALS PROCEDURES FOR TICKET. YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE ELEMENT TO IT TO THE, TO DO THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE AS WELL IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. RIGHT. UM, YEAH, SO I THINK IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE. AND I KNOW IT COULDN'T BE DONE RIGHT AWAY. YOU'D HAVE TO WORK AROUND STAFF TIME AND, AND I GET THAT. BUT, UM, MY THOUGHT IS THAT ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED, IT WOULD JUST BE IN THE, UH, KURT, IT WOULD JUST PRETTY MUCH BE, UH, PD BECAUSE SIGNS WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE PERMIT, THE PERMITS, THE DECALS OR WHATEVER WOULD BE PRINTED UP. WE'D GIVE THEM WORK THROUGH THE RENTAL COMPANIES TO PUT THEM ON THE CARS, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYOR. YES. I, I I THINK THIS IS, IF REST OF COUNCIL AGREES, ONCE THEY'VE EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO OPINE AS WELL, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T, IF THEY AGREE, I THINK WE'RE NOT GOING ANY FURTHER THAN PROVIDING DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER. THAT'S FAIR. WITH NO EXPECTATION ON TIMING TONIGHT. LIKE THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM REASONABLE SPRINGING THIS ON, ON, ON STAFF TONIGHT AND SAYING, OH YEAH, YOU CAN GET THIS DONE IN TWO MONTHS. RIGHT. NO, I WON'T. I DON'T EXPECT THAT, BUT I WANT IT TO BE VERY , BUT THANK YOU. UH, JESSICA, AND THEN KATHY. YEAH, I, THIS WOULD ONLY BE, I'M ASSUMING LEGALLY THAT'S, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS LEGALLY? NO, I HAVE NOT GIVEN THIS A LOT OF THOUGHT. OKAY. UH, WE COULD DO A PERMIT SYSTEM, CORRECT. UM, THE EXTENT OF IT, OR THE DETAILS WOULD HAVE TO BE FIGURED OUT. IT WOULDN'T BE PRO, PRESUMABLY IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO 89 A AND 1 79, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THAT IF YOU DROVE UP AND YOU MANAGED TO MAKE IT TO MORGAN ROAD, YOU CAN'T GO ON IT. WELL, WHO'S TO STOP YOU? IS THERE GONNA BE A CO I MEAN, REALLY THAT'S ALL GOTTA BE THOUGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO ENFORCEMENT WOULD PRIMARILY FALL ON PD, UH, WHERE THE INSPECTION PART OR THE PERMITTING PART WOULD GO OKAY. WOULD BE COMPLETELY TO BE DETERMINED. AND IF IT IS TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH OHP RENTAL COMPANIES, THERE'S A LOT TO BE HASHED OUT THERE. OKAY. IF THEY'RE EVEN WILLING TO PARTNER THAT WAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I, I WILL OPINE ON, UH, I, I THINK IT BEARS LOOKING INTO, I THINK IT'S A, A CREATIVE WAY TO DO BOTH. SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO. UM, I I, I'D HATE TO PUT ANOTHER PRIORITY ON STAFF'S PLATE, SO I, I I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M LOOKING FOR IT BEING A TOMORROW THING. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO PUSH OTHER STUFF ASIDE IN ORDER TO DO IT AS A PRIORITY, BUT WITHIN SOME REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME ON A WORK LIST. UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOUR WORKLOAD'S GOING TO DECREASE SUBSTANTIALLY AFTER THE BUDGET PERIOD, SO WE WILL OH, YEAH. SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT GOING AHEAD AND, AND HAVING STAFF AND LEGAL TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF IT'S EVEN FEASIBLE. OKAY. PETE. OH, I'M SORRY, KATHY, YOU WERE FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GO TO PETE. YEAH. UM, SO THIS [04:50:01] IS A NEW IDEA. THIS IS A BIG IDEA, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. WE'RE ABOUT TO NEXT WEEK GO INTO OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING FORWARD. WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THIS WHERE WE WERE SAYING IF WE HAD TO BUMP A PRIORITY IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER PRIORITY. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING POTENTIALLY A NEW DEPARTMENT WHEN WE'VE GOT A TOURISM BUREAU THAT'S BRAND NEW. I, I, I JUST, I JUST, THERE'S NOT, TO ME, NEARLY ENOUGH CONTEXT TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT, REASONABLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. UM, AT THIS POINT. UM, I, I AM VERY RELUCTANT TO EVEN SAY THIS NEEDS TO GO ON THE PLATE FOR PUTTING THE TIME IN TO SAY WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE. I, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS WHERE WE ARE, OR FOR ME AT THE MOMENT, AS I SAID, IT'S, THIS IS, THIS IS BIG. I MEAN, AND EVEN JUST IN THINKING ABOUT IT, YOU CAN'T, ONE CAN'T HELP ONESELF RIGHT? ABOUT GOING DOWN THE PATH OF WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? WOULD THERE BE A DECAL? WOULD THERE BE A, THIS, HOW MANY ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE WOULD WE NEED? THAT'S ALREADY TIME CONSUMING. THAT'S ALREADY WEEDS, THAT'S ALREADY STARTING A, A, A BUREAU, AS YOU SAID, A MOTOR VEHICLE, LITTLE MINI MOTOR VEHICLE DEPARTMENT. I, I, I DON'T THINK, THIS IS NOT WHAT I ANTICIPATED WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. OKAY. PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. IT IS A, IT IS A NEW IDEA AND IT CERTAINLY WILL REQUIRE LOTS OF FUTURE CONVERSATIONS SHAPING OUT, BUT I, UNDER, IT'S GROWN ON ME A LITTLE BIT. I, I'M WILLING TO HAVE STAFF START TO THINK THROUGH WHAT THIS MIGHT MEAN. AND IT'S GONNA CLEARLY PLAY A ROLE IN OUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, NEXT WEEK. NOT SUPER INFORMED BY A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN THERE ABOUT WHETHER IT BUMPS PRIORITIES OR IT DOESN'T BUMP PRIORITIES AND WHEN WE MIGHT GET TO IT. BUT I'M WILLING TO GIVE IT AN, AN OPEN MIND AND CONSIDER. THANK YOU. UH, WELL, BRIAN, YOU ALREADY WENT. DO YOU WANT ANYTHING MORE? UH, MELISSA, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN. UM, I'LL GO GET A CUP OF COFFEE. YEAH. . UM, WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE I WOULD START. WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? SO IF THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE IS LIMITING THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON MORGAN ROAD, WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, AD NAUSEUM WITH LIMITED PERMIT SYSTEMS, THIS TO ME IS NOT GONNA SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. UM, THEY SAY, UH, ON THE, ON YOUR SLIDE, UH, THEY HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO GO OUT THERE. WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? FIVE PEOPLE KNOW PEOPLE, A HUNDRED PEOPLE. AND THEN THERE'S ALL THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T RENTING, BUT ARE BRINGING THEIR OWN VEHICLES IN. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE GOING OUT THERE AND WORD WILL SPREAD VIA SOCIAL MEDIA VERY RAPIDLY THAT IF YOU WANT TO GO ON ANY OF SNOBBY MORGAN SOLDIERS PASS DRY CREEK, YOU'RE GONNA NEED THIS PERMIT. AND THE FIRST PLACE YOU SHOULD DO IS STOP WHEREVER THIS PERMIT PLACE IS, GET YOUR PERMIT, AND NOW YOU CAN GO WHEREVER YOU WANNA GO. I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW ENFORCEABLE THIS IS. I MEAN, THIS IS RANDOMLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WHO'S GONNA STAND THERE AND MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT A PERMIT? RIGHT? THIS ISN'T LIKE THE JERSEY TOLL PIKE WHERE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE QR CODE AND THERE'S A READER AND IT SAYS, OKAY, YOU CAN GO THROUGH. SO, WELL, I HOPE NOT. ANYWAY. I DON'T KNOW. AND THAT'S LOOKING WELL, THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA, . SO I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM OF LIMITING THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WE WANT TO HAVE GO DOWN OUR STREETS TO GET TO TRAILHEAD. UM, I THINK IT'S ADDING ANOTHER LAYER OF COMPLEXITY TO EVERYONE WHO'S EVENTUALLY GOING TO GET A SEDONA PERMIT IF THEY'RE GONNA COME HERE. SO I, I'M JUST NOT EVEN CONVINCED THAT THIS IS SOLVING IT. IT MIGHT BE SOLVING A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM I THOUGHT WE WERE FOCUSED ON, WHICH IS LIMITING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO GO DOWN OUR CITY STREETS. BECAUSE A PERMIT HAS TO BE APPLIED. EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT. YOU CAN'T SAY ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE RENTAL AGENCIES INSIDE THOSE CITY LIMITS CAN GET A PERMIT. I WILL BET YOU THAT WOULD BE CHALLENGED. WELL, I DON'T KNOW, JESSICA, JESSICA, THAT'S PLEASE DON'T, PLEASE DON'T. SO THE, THE POINT IS, [04:55:01] I, I, TO ME, OUR ORDINANCE WOULD BECOME NON UNIFORMLY APPLIED, WHICH TO ME, EVERYBODY GETS APPLIED EQUALLY UNDER THE LAW. AND HERE WE'RE SAYING ONLY A CERTAIN SUBSET OF PEOPLE WE'RE NOT. NO, WE'RE NOT. NO, NO, NO. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. I'M KIND OF RESPONDING OVER TO JESSICA. EVENTUALLY YOU END UP WITH EVERYONE POTENTIALLY HAVING THE PERMIT. ONLY IF THEY MEET THE, THE REQUIREMENTS, SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, THE MUFFLER, THE, UH, DIRECTIONALS. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. THEN WE DON'T MIND BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SAFER THAN WHAT THEY ARE, THAN WHAT THEY ARE NOW, IF THEY HAVE THE, UH, THE SPEED REDUCTION ALSO, ONE ITEM WAS NOT MENTIONED. THE GPS YEAH. OKAY. FOR A COMPANY, AN INDIVIDUAL TO DRIVE IN HERE, ASSUMED COMING IN BY, UH, TRAILER FROM EITHER DOWNSTATE OR UPSTATE COMING TO SEDONA TRAILERING IN STAYING AT AN AIRBNB, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE DIRECTIONAL SIGNALS MOST OFTEN NOT. ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THE, THE QUIETER MUFFLERS? PROBABLY NOT ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO ONE OF THE FOUR OHV COMPANIES GET INSPECTED THERE BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO INSPECT THEIR OWN OKAY. ASSUMING THAT THEY WANT TO DO THAT, AND THIS IS WHAT'S, BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE, YOU'RE YOU'RE DESIGNING SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T RESEARCHED THAT'S OH ONE CAN'T HELP. BUT IT HAS TO BE RESEARCHED AND THAT'S FINE. BUT THAT'S THE, THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WITH THE FOUR RENTAL COMPANIES. CONTINUE. I, I JUST FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT, NOT SOLVING, WE'RE NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SOLVING. OKAY. WHICH IS TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE ON OUR CITY STREETS. SPEED'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM. LOCATION'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM. THOSE, THOSE ARE NOT PROBLEMS ON OUR CITY STREETS. SO THE QUIETER MUFFLERS WILL ONLY IF THEY CAN PUT THEM ON, NOT EVERYONE CAN PUT THE QUIETER MUFFLERS ON. AND BY LAW THEY CAN BE 96 DECIBELS. MM-HMM. . AND SO THE WAY TO HELP THIS IS TO HAVE FEWER OF THEM. AND I'M, I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT SOLVES A PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR AND BRIAN, IT DOES HAVE TO BE UNIFORMLY APPLIED. AND THE IDEA WAS THAT IT WOULD BE UNIFORMLY APPLIED. EVERYBODY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET CERTAIN CONDITIONS, AND IF THEY MET THOSE CONDITIONS, THEY WOULD GET A PERMIT. SO THAT'S, I DON'T SEE THAT, THAT'S AN ISSUE. WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T PUT, WE WOULDN'T PUT REQUIREMENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T MEET. THEY'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MEET THEM. NO. SO I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT EVENTUALLY, ESPECIALLY IF POLARIS IS CHANGING ALL THEIR MODELS, EVENTUALLY EVERYONE CAN MEET. THEY'RE NOT CHANGING ALL THEIR MODELS . WELL, YEAH, BUT MY, MY POINT BEING THAT EVENTUALLY EVERYONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MEET WHATEVER OUR STANDARDS ARE, EVERYONE ON SOCIAL MEDIA WILL KNOW TO COME TO WHATEVER THE POINT IS, GET THEIR PERMIT. NOW THEY CAN GO ANYWHERE. AND SO HAVE WE ACTUALLY RESOLVE THE ISSUE OR ARE WE BACK TO SAYING, HEY ALEX, THIS IS ON YOU, BUD. I, SO I, I I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE. I DON'T AGREE EITHER. BUT THIS IS A DISCUSSION WE SHOULD HAVE. RIGHT. AND IF STAFF COULD DO RESEARCH AND BRING IT BACK TO US, THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN HAVE AS A COUNCIL AND DECIDE WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT. WE CAN'T. WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON THE ORDINANCE? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT TOO. ARE WE? YEAH. WE'RE AGENDAS FOR, TO ME, THE ORDINANCE IS THE HEAVY HANDED APPROACH THAT WILL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO GO DOWN MORGAN ROAD. RIGHT. IF WE WANTED TO ONLY APPLY IT TO MORGAN, FOR INSTANCE, INSTEAD OF ALSO SNUBBY AND SOLDIERS AND, AND DRY CREEK. MM-HMM. THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL CITY STREETS. CORRECT. YEAH. I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THOSE ARE THE FOUR MATERIAL HEADS. SO WOULD THAT HEAVY HANDEDLY HELP THE PROBLEM? WOULD THAT STOP THE NOISE AND, AND WHATEVER? YES. ARE THERE ISSUES EVEN WITH THE ORDINANCE? OF COURSE THERE ARE. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO HAPPEN TO OWN THESE VEHICLES AND THEY LIVE ON A STREET WHERE THEY POTENTIALLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DRIVE THEIR VEHICLE. BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM TO NOT GO TO THE TRAILHEAD. THAT SAME THING WOULD APPLY. YOU CAN'T USE THE TRAILHEADS THAT ARE ON THOSE STREETS UNLESS YOU TRAILER YOUR VEHICLE IN. RIGHT, RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU COULD TRAILER YOUR VEHICLE VEHICLE IN. NOTHING'S STOPPING YOU FROM DOING THAT. HOWEVER, THAT HAS ALL THOSE ISSUES, RIGHT? LIKE WHERE ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO PARK THEIR TRUCKS WITH THEIR TRAILERS, SO FORTH AND SO ON. SO THERE'S NO SIMPLE SOLUTION HERE FOR SURE. BUT IF THE POINT OF THE ORDINANCE WAS TO SAY, [05:00:01] WE DON'T WANT VEHICLES THAT COULD BE UNSAFE, LET ALONE THE HEALTH HAZARD THAT THESE GUYS WERE BRINGING UP, CARL, WHICH IS NOISE, WHICH ISN'T A SAFETY ISSUE. IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A HEALTH AND WELFARE ISSUE FOR OUR, OUR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. RIGHT? THEN, THEN WE NEED TO SAY THAT THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. AND DOES THE ORDINANCE SOLVE THAT? WELL, YES, IT DOES. DOES IT SOLVE IT SIMPLY AND CLEANLY? ABSOLUTELY NOT. WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE OF IT TO WHAT, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, UM, YOU'RE STILL PATIENT TRYING TO BE SO, UH, BUT I WANNA MOVE THINGS ON HERE 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE TOPICS TONIGHT. YES. SO, UM, THIS, THE ORDINANCE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT SAFETY. AND SO THE PERMIT ASPECT ADDED ON OR LAYERED ON ACTUALLY IS SUPPORTIVE OF SAFETY. SO I THINK THAT THEY DO GO TOGETHER AND THEY DO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S REALLY ANY NEED TO CONTINUE TO DEBATE THAT. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A MAJORITY UP HERE THAT IS, UH, WANTING TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO BEGIN LOOKING AT THIS. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT MAKING A, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE VOTING ON WHETHER TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE TONIGHT. MM-HMM. . SO I REALLY THINK WE'RE PROBABLY AT A POINT OF SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GIVING DIRECTION. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT TOPIC. AGREE. KIRK, WHAT? KATHY, WERE WERE YOU SAYING I I SAID, I JUST POINTED TO BRIAN AND I SAID AGREE. OH. OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT I MISSED SOMETHING. OKAY. UM, KURT, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? NO, MAYOR, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO SUMMARIZE THAT WE GOT ABOUT FIVE OF THE 12 COUNSELORS ARE WILLING TO HAVE STAFF LOOK INTO THIS, UM, TO THE CITY MANAGER'S. POINT FIVE, IT'S LATE TWO FIVE VERSUS TWO. 5 0 7. YEAH, I KNOW. THERE YOU GO. IT'S OKAY. IT'S LATE. YEAH. UM, TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT, IT COULD TAKE SOME TIME TO DEVELOP THIS AND, AND BRING BACK, AND THEN IT WOULD STILL, AS A NEW ORDINANCE REQUIRE A COUPLE MEETINGS IF IT CHANGES SUBSTANTIALLY. SO, BUT WE CAN START THAT PROCESS. BUT BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WE DO HAVE TWO CARDS. OH, OKAY. I KNOW YOU'D BE SHOCKED. . DAN, YOU WANNA COME UP AND DAN LER AND DAVE, YOU'LL BE NEXT. YOU GOTTA STATE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. UH, FIRST NAME DAN, LAST NAME KALER, RESIDENT OF CLARKDALE. I'M A BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN SEDONA AND A ROCK MEMBER. UM, I HAD THIS HUGE PAGE OF STUFF TO SAY, BUT AFTER ALL THE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE GSRC, I THINK WE'LL JUST BE QUIET ABOUT IT. BUT JUST ONE POINT ON THAT, WITH THE GSRC, EVERYTHING THAT THEY BROUGHT IN THAT REPORT IS WHAT WE CONSIDER PHASE ONE. I'M SORRY, THEY CONSIDER PHASE ONE. THAT'S JUST RECOMMENDATION. PHASE TWO IS THE ACTION PART OF IT. AND SO IN 30 DAYS IS WHEN THEY START THEIR ACTION PART. I KNOW IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED, BUT IT JUST SEEMED THAT NEVER KIND OF CAME CLEAR ACROSS THE DISCUSSIONS. MM-HMM. , UM, I'M JUST GONNA SKIP ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE. UM, I KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR VEHICLES ARE STREET LEGAL. THEY, UM, ARE INSURED, THEY ARE REGISTERED. UM, THEY DO MEET ALL THE STATE NOISE LEVELS. HOWEVER, WE'RE WORKING REALLY, REALLY HARD TO FIND A SOLUTION TO MAKE THEM QUIETER. I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE THEM QUIETER. I I, YOU CAN'T EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION, BUT THEY STILL ARE LEGAL. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'D BE SO NICE TO BE QUIET. SO I, I AM PROMISING THAT I'M STILL WORKING ON THE MUFFLERS. I'M GONNA FIND A SOLUTION TO IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THAT'S, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN RD IN FACILITY. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I'M REACHING OUT TO SOME TO HOPEFULLY GET A BETTER FEEL ON HOW TO GET THE MUFFLERS DONE. UM, JUST AS PART OF OUR EDUCATION WITH EACH CUSTOMER, WE DO PROMOTE SIGHT TEAM. WE DON'T PROMOTE RACING, WE DON'T PROMOTE DRIVING FAST. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO NOT PROMOTE IS BROKEN ARROW. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IT ON OUR MAPS. IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND ONCE A MONTH SAYS, I WANT TO GO TO BROKEN ARROW, I GOTTA GO FIND THE MAP FOR BROKEN ARROW. JUST BECAUSE WE NEVER SEND ANYBODY OVER THERE, WE TRY REALLY HARD TO STAY OFF MORGAN DRIVE. AND THE EASIEST WAY TO TELL 'EM IS YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH TRAFFIC IN DOWNTOWN AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COME THROUGH TRAFFIC BACK AND THEY DECIDE TO GO TO WEST SEDONA AND OUT IN THE WEST CANYON. UM, AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, UM, I HAVE A LITTLE INKLING TO IT, AND I THINK THAT, UM, I REALLY ENCOURAGE THE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS PERMITTING SYSTEM OR THIS REGISTRATION PERMITTING WITHIN THE CITY. UM, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT'S FAIR NOT JUST TO SAY A RENTAL COMPANY, BUT TO A RESIDENT OR EVEN ANY SEDONA PERSON, SEDONA, ARIZONA RESIDENT THAT HAS A VEHICLE. SO THEY, THEY, THE, LIKE MELISSA SAID, HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SO, I MEAN, EVERYBODY CAN HAVE A PERMIT SOON, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. RIGHT. AND I THINK IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO FIGURE OUT THE NOISE REQUIREMENT, WHICH ALSO GOES BACK TO THE GSRC, IF THERE'S [05:05:01] A SPEED, THE SPEED, MORE SPEED MAKES MORE NOISE. AND, UH, THAT'S VERY UNDERSTANDABLE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD ALSO BE CONTROLLED. UM, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DAN. DAVE, CITY NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. DAVE SWART OUT. SEDONA. I LIVE IN SEDONA. I LIVE IN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M GLAD I DON'T, UH, HAVE THESE THINGS GOING BY MY STREET, TO BE HONEST. BUT I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO LOOK AT, IS THIS A CITY PROBLEM OR A FOREST SERVICE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE? IF THIS IS A FOREST SERVICE PROBLEM, I'M NOT SURE THAT DOING A PERMIT IN THE CITY MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE. I THINK MAYBE WORKING WITHIN THE GSRC IS GOOD WORK WITH THEM ON, UH, WHATEVER THEY CAN COME UP WITH THAT EVERYBODY CAN AGREE ON, THAT'S GONNA WORK. BUT THAT, THAT'S MY THING. AND IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER BUREAUCRATIC THING. YEAH. WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S GOOD FOR US, WE CAN CHARGE THESE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN A HUNDRED BUCKS TO GET A PERMIT OR SOMETHING. I, I, I, YOU KNOW, TO DO THE INSPECTION, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD FOR US. BLINKERS ARE GOOD FOR US BECAUSE THEY NEED TO HAVE BLINKERS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO STICK THEIR ARM OUT. I MEAN, THAT'S GOOD FOR US. GOVERNORS ARE GOOD FOR US. IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T WRECK THE VEHICLES, THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN. UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T KNOW IF SPENDING A LOT OF STAFF TIME MAKES A LOT OF SENSE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT, BUT NOT A LOT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU DAVE. BLESS YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, ANNETTE, DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE SOME ENOUGH DIRECTION, YOUR FIRST, AND THIS IS DAY TWO, . YOU'RE DOING GREAT. JUST WAIT, WE, WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME, SO YOU'LL GET MORE AND MORE EVERY TIME WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, WE'LL GET MORE WORK. DON'T, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. WAIT TILL DAY THREE. . ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOOD. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO, IT'S STILL NOT THE LAST ITEM. TAKE CARE. THANK YOU. NICE UNIFORM. IT LOOKS SHARP. YOU LOOK GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. NOTHING PERSONAL THERE, RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ITEM D [8.d. AB 2952 Discussion/possible action regarding the approval of a contract for services with the Sedona Chamber of Commerce in the amount of $347,093 for the operations of the Visitor Center for fiscal year 2025, subject to approval of a written contract by the City Attorney.] AB 29 52. CAN WE PLEASE KEEP THE COMMENTS OUTSIDE PLEASE, GUYS? DAN. THANK YOU. OKAY, AB 29 52. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL FOR A CONTRACT FOR SERVICES FOR, FOR THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN THE AMOUNT OF $347 AND 93, I'M SORRY, $347,093 FOR THE OPERATION OF THE VISIT CENTER FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. SUBJECT TO APPROVAL FOR THE WRITTEN CONTRACT, EXCUSE ME, BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK FOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I'LL SAY . WOW. . IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AGAIN TONIGHT. UM, NICE TO SEE YOU ALL. JUST PUT MY ITEMS UP HERE. ALRIGHT. UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR JALO, VICE MAYOR, PLU COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. JOINING ME TO MY SIDE HERE IS, UM, OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, MIKE WISE AND GARY STEWART, THE CHAMBERS FINANCE DIRECTOR. JUST EACH OF US BRING A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE TO THE OPERATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER. AND, UH, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE ALL THREE WERE HERE SO THAT WE COULD GIVE YOU CONFIDENCE IN MAKING A DECISION THIS EVENING ON THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. UH, LET'S START WITH, UH, THE AGENDA. SO TODAY WILL BE, OR THIS EVENING, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE VISITOR CENTER SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, THE STATUS OF THE CURRENT AND FISCAL YEAR'S CONTRACTED KPIS, CO HARRISON SNAPSHOT OF OTHER, UH, VISITOR CENTERS AROUND THE STATE, AND THEN CLOSING WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 25 PROPOSED BUDGET. SO, WE'LL START WITH THE, A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE VISITOR THAT ARE SERVICES IS, AS YOU KNOW, SEDONA, ARIZONA IS A PREMIER TOURISM DESTINATION OFFERING, UH, OUR VISITORS AMAZING RED ROCKS, HIKING, INCREDIBLE RESORTS, THE ARTS, SPIRITUAL AND PERSONAL ENRICHMENT WELLNESS, AND AN INCREDIBLE ARRAY OF EVENTS. AND THE VISITOR CENTER HAS BEEN HERE ALL ALONG, SERVING THOSE VISITORS, PROVIDING THE INCREDIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICES OR CUSTOMER SERVICE, EXCUSE ME, THAT VISITORS DO EXPECT FROM A DESTINATION [05:10:01] SUCH AS SEDONA. THE VISITOR CENTER IS A TURNKEY OPERATION. WE ARE FULLY STAFFED AND OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JUST TWO HOLIDAYS. WE WORK HAND IN HAND WITH IMPORTANT FOR, UH, PARTNERS, SUCH AS THE FOREST SERVICE TO ENSURE THAT WE PROVIDE THE MOST ACCURATE AND UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION FOR SEDONAS VISITORS. WE HAVE JUST OVER 30 VOLUNTEERS, UH, TO DATE. I THINK WE'RE AT AROUND 32 TO BE SPECIFIC. AND THESE VOLUNTEERS ASSIST OUR GUESTS IN ADDITION TO, UH, A SMALL FULL, A SMALL STAFF OF, UH, FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME, WHICH WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT LATER. THE VOLUNTEERS ARE RESIDENTS, SO THEY ARE, UM, REALLY PASSIONATE, UH, LOVE WHAT THEY DO, THEY LOVE THE COMMUNITY, AND IT JUST REALLY SHOWS AT THE VISITOR CENTER, THE VALUE IN DOLLARS, IF WE WERE TO PAY THOSE VOLUNTEERS EQUATES TO THAT 206, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS VALUE THAT YOU SEE UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. THEY, UM, PROVIDE NEARLY 6,500 VOLUNTEER HOURS A YEAR. UH, THIS WAS BASED ON FISCAL 23. SO NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE VOLUNTEERS ARE THIS INCREDIBLE HUMAN ASSET THAT WE JUST WOULD BE SO, UM, LOST WITHOUT. AND SO WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HAPPY, EDUCATED, AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT THEY DO EACH DAY. SERVICES PROVIDED. THIS WAS OUTLINED IN YOUR, UH, SCOPE OF WORKING CONTRACT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH ONE LINE BY LINE. I, I THINK YOU, UM, KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE A REALLY WELL-OILED AND WELL-MANAGED OPERATION, UH, THAT WE DO MORE THAN SIMPLY ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR THOSE WHO COME IN. WE, UM, ALSO MANAGE THE PHONE, INCOMING PHONE CALLS, AND, UM, REPLY TO THE EMAILS AND, AND THEN I'LL KIND OF TOUCH ON SOME OF THE OTHER SERVICES THAT WE DO PROVIDE. UM, I THINK THE, THE KEY HERE IS THAT I, I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T HAD A CHANCE YET TO VISIT OR SPEND ANY AMOUNT OF TIME AT THE VISITOR CENTER TO DO SO, BECAUSE THERE IS, IN ADDITION TO THE VERY KIND OF BLACK AND WHITE THINGS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THERE IS JUST THIS KIND OF AMAZING QUALITY AND EXPERIENCE THAT YOU JUST DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU SPEND SOME TIME AT THE VISITOR CENTER AND ACTUALLY SEE IT IN ACTION. I, I DO WANNA THANK, UH, MAYOR JAB LOW FOR AT, UH, COMING UP AND SPENDING SOME TIME WITH US. I KNOW COUNCILOR FURMAN HAS BEEN UP THERE. I BELIEVE, UH, YOUR, UH, TAP CHAIRMAN DAVID PRICE HAS, HAS SPENT A LITTLE TIME WITH US AS WELL. SO I THINK THEY CAN ATTEST THAT SPEND A LITTLE TIME UP THERE IS REALLY GIVES YOU A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT THE VISITOR CENTER IS ALL ABOUT. SPEAKING OF VALUE, LOCAL INFLUENCE, UM, ONE OF THE LARGEST BENEFITS OF THE VISITOR CENTER IS, IS PEOPLE, AS I MENTIONED, THE VOLUNTEERS, AND AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN. SO VISITORS WANT LOCAL ADVICE ON WHERE TO STAY, WHAT TO DO, UH, WHERE TO RECREATE. AND FROM A DESTINATION MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, WHO BETTER TO ASK THE VISITORS TO ACT LIKE A LOCAL THAN A LOCAL? OUR VISITOR CENTER HELPS TO FORM DECISIONS THAT ARE IN SEDONAS BEST INTERESTS. IT'S THE STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS THAT IN PERSON LOCAL INFLUENCE THAT CAN REALLY DETER A VISITOR FROM INAPPROPRIATELY. CREATING A SOCIAL TRAIL OR LEAVING TRASH BEHIND ON OUR LAND LOCAL INFLUENCE IS VERY POWERFUL. OUR PERSONAL INTERACTIONS AT THE VISITOR CENTER LEAVE AN IMPRESSION WITH VISITORS THAT THEY HAVE STEPPED INTO A COMMUNITY THAT IS FILLED WITH KIND AND WELCOMING RESIDENTS WHO ONLY WANT WHAT'S BEST, NOT ONLY FOR THOSE VISITING FOLKS, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. AND AS THEY SAY, YOU CATCH MORE BEES WITH HONEY THAN VINEGAR. SO BY BEING WELCOMING, WE HAVE THAT MUCH MORE ABILITY TO INFLUENCE VISITOR BEHAVIOR. THEREFORE, THE VISITOR CENTER REALLY IS A CRITICAL PART OF DESTINATION STEWARDSHIP TO REINFORCE DESTIN DESTINATION STEWARDSHIP. IN ADDITION, WHAT WE COMMUNICATE AT THE COUNTER WITH OUR GUESTS DOESN'T STOP THERE. WE DO HAVE POINTS THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE VISITOR CENTER THAT ENSURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE THE, UM, LEAVE NO TRACE PRINCIPLES, FOR EXAMPLE, STICK STICKING TO THE TRAILS, LEAVE WHAT YOU FIND, AND THESE CAN ALL BE REFRESHED. I MEAN, THESE HAVE BEEN UP FOR A FEW YEARS. THEY ARE STILL VERY RELEVANT. BUT, UM, POINT BEING IS THAT WE USE EVERY LITTLE BIT OF REAL ESTATE TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS KNOW WHAT WE EXPECT OF THEM WHEN THEY VISIT OUR BEAUTIFUL DESTINATION. THE GOLDEN RULE OF TOURISM. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE AN INTERNATIONAL DESTINATION. I'LL BE ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE CITY'S RESEARCH SHOWS. I KNOW WHAT WE ALWAYS USED TO, UM, IDENTIFY WAS AROUND 20% INTERNATIONAL VISITATION. SO, UM, WE DO OUR VERY BEST TO GRACIOUSLY SERVE EVERYONE WHO WALKS THROUGH OUR DOORS AND WHO STEPS INTO THE VISITOR CENTER. WHETHER FOLKS ARE HERE TO HIKE OR BIKE, OR [05:15:01] SEE THE VORTEXES. WE ARE EDUCATED AND TRAINED TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS WITH THE FRIENDLINESS AND POSITIVITY THAT SO MANY PEOPLE COME TO SEDONA FOR. THERE ARE MANY, MANY POINTS OF INTERACTION FOR TRAVELERS FROM THE INSPIRATION STAGE TO PLANNING THEIR TRIP, TO TRAVELING HERE AND TO ARRIVING AND ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING THE DESTINATION. WE ALL BELIEVE THAT SEDONA IS AN EXTREMELY SPECIAL PLACE. IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT ONE OF THE FIRST STOPS A VISITOR MAKES SHOULD LEAVE THEM FEELING VALIDATED THAT THEY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION TO COME. OUR VISITOR CENTER HELPS, THAT HELPS THE DESTINATION TO FULFILL THAT PROMISE TO ITS VISITORS. AND SEDONA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PLACE OF SOULFUL BEAUTY, MINDFULNESS, WARMTH, AND HUMAN KINDNESS. SPEAKING OF POSITIVITY, HERE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE POSITIVE REVIEWS ABOUT THE PER PERSONAL ATTENTION WE PROVIDE. UH, WE DO HAVE SMALL CARDS ON THE COUNTERS WITH A LINK IN QR CODE FOR VISITORS TO, UH, PLACE A GOOGLE REVIEW. SINCE THEY'RE SHORT, UM, I'LL JUST READ, WELL, I WON'T READ ALL OF THEM, BUT I'LL AT LEAST READ THIS BOTTOM ONE. I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR PACKET, SO I'M SURE YOU'VE READ 'EM. UM, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE AUDIENCE, UH, ELEANOR WAS PROFESSIONAL, KNOWLEDGEABLE, AND SO PLEASANT WITH US. THE TEAM OF VOLUNTEERS YOU HAVE AT THE CHAMBER ARE INVALUABLE. PLEASE KEEP THEM HELPING YOU. SO WHEN IT COMES TO HOW TO SERVICE VISITORS, AND I THINK THIS IS THE KEY QUESTION I I SUSPECT MANY OF YOU HAVE IN YOUR MIND ON, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER TONIGHT, BUT YOU KNOW, WHETHER SERVICING VISITORS IS BEST IN PERSON OR THE USE OF DIGITAL TOOLS, I DO STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT EACH VISITOR CENTER NEEDS TO DO WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEIR DESTINATION. AND THE VISITORS THAT ARE VISITING THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE OVER 400 MILES OF TRAILS, SEDONA HAS A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE HIKERS THAT INFORMATION FOR A SAFE HIKING EXPERIENCE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MONSOON SEASON AND THE WEATHER CHANGES ON A, ON A DIME. WE NEED THE VISITOR CENTER FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE THOSE VISITORS TO A SAFE ALTERNATIVE TO ENJOY THEIR DAY. I, I THINK THAT DIGITAL TOOLS ABSOLUTELY ARE POSSIBLE TO INFORM VISITORS OF SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, CERTAINLY IN REAL TIME DATA AND EVERYTHING, BUT THERE IS NOTHING LIKE SOMEONE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? DON'T GO HIKING AT X, Y, Z TRAIL TODAY. IT'S GONNA BE A MESS. IT'S NOT SAFE. AND PLEASE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER SHOPPING AT OUR, AT OUR RETAIL OUTLETS AND ENJOYING A NICE LUNCH INSTEAD. I REALLY THINK THAT ENDORSEMENT JUST HELPS IN IN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THOUGH, I I, I WANNA MAKE A A A KIND OF A LONG POINT HERE. UM, PROBABLY THE LONGEST ONE THAT I'LL HAVE TONIGHT, AND THAT IS THAT I, I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT AGAINST TECHNOLOGY. IN FACT, UM, YEARS AGO, YOU'LL SEE UP HERE IN ONE OF THE SLIDES, WE INSTALLED THESE KIOSKS. WE HAD ONE INSIDE THE VISITOR CENTER, ONE OUTSIDE THE VISITOR CENTER. UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONE OUTSIDE THE VISITOR CENTER WAS STOLEN, WHICH IS VERY UNFORTUNATE. AND THIS ONE WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT AT THE TIME, SO THIS WAS THEN, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NOW, BUT AT THE TIME, FOLKS, SOME FOLKS WERE ENGAGING WITH IT, BUT THEN THEY WOULD COME UP TO THE COUNTER TO VALIDATE WHAT THEY SAW ON THE KIOSK. SO IT DIDN'T REALLY QUITE SAVE TIME OR HELP US DEAL WITH, UM, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT IN THE VISITOR CENTER, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE INITIAL IDEA. UM, THE OTHER PIECE WAS A, WAS, UH, IPADS THAT WE HAD ON OUR COUNTERS, UH, WHICH WERE GOING TO HELP US SURVEY THOSE WHO WERE WALKING THROUGH AND WALKING INTO THE VISITOR CENTER. IT WAS JUST A QUICKER WAY FOR US TO GET, UM, PROFILE INFORMATION ON THE VISITORS. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS ENGAGING WITH THAT EITHER, AND WE EVEN STARTED TO INCENTIVIZE AND THEY JUST WEREN'T GRABBING ONTO IT. SO, BUT THE, THE POINT I, THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE WE, THAT WAS A LITTLE WHILE AGO, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE AT THE TIME WHEN WE INTRODUCED BOTH OF THOSE PLATFORMS. UM, EVEN THE VENDORS THAT WE WERE USING WERE USING THEM AT TRADE SHOWS AND WHATNOT AS LIKE SALES TOOLS TO SAY, HEY, LOOK AT WHAT THIS AWESOME VISITOR CENTER IN SEDONA DOES. WE WERE ACTUALLY AHEAD OF OUR TIME. THEN WHILE THOSE DIDN'T WORK, THEN MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN WORK NOW. UM, I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH THAT'S BEEN CREATED AND SO MUCH, SO MUCH HAS BEEN INNOVATED IN TERMS OF TECHNOLOGY THAT IT REALLY COULD BE REINTRODUCED FOR SURE. I KNOW WE USE A LOT OF QR CODES, SO THAT'S BEEN WORKING WELL, ESPECIALLY SINCE COVID AND QR CODES HAVE BECOME A LOT BETTER. UM, BUT [05:20:01] YEAH, I JUST, I GUESS MY BOTTOM LINE POINT I'M MAKING RIGHT NOW IS JUST THAT WE'RE OPEN. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE KEY, THE KEY IDEA HERE. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT A HYBRID APPROACH IS PROBABLY THE BEST. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WORKING WITH THE TAB AND DIGGING DEEPER INTO THE, INTO THE PROSPECTS AND THE OPTIONS, AND LOOKING AT SOMETHING MORE LIKE AN EXPERIENCE CENTER, WHICH I KNOW HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNEW THAT YOU WERE AWARE WHERE OUR HEADS WERE AT ON THAT. UM, SO LET'S TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT FISCAL 24. THIS WAS DONE ADMITTEDLY, UH, IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, OR I SHOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SUBMITTED WHEN WE PRESENTED OR WHEN WE WERE SUBMITTING FOR THE PRESENTATION. THAT WAS MEANT TO HAPPEN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SO, UM, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA HERE I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UM, OUR MARCH AVERAGE WAS AROUND 600 WALK-INS A DAY, WHICH IS THE SECOND BULLET POINT UP FROM THE BOTTOM. UM, BUT APRIL SO FAR IS AVERAGING ABOUT 750 WALK-INS A DAY. SO, UM, DOING REALLY WELL AT THE VISITOR CENTER, KEEPING VERY BUSY AND EVERYONE'S HAPPY AND BUZZING. UM, WE DID SEE INCREASES OF EIGHT AND 10% IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY COMPARED TO JANUARY AND FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR. UM, BUT YEAH, OVERALL DOING WELL, IT'S JUST A STEADY RECOVER FROM COVID. SO THAT'S BEEN A POSITIVE. HERE ARE THE ACTUAL FIGURES, AND AGAIN, I, I WOULD, I WISH THAT I COULD, I CAN VERBALIZE SOME UPDATES HERE, HERE FOR YOU. UM, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THE REPORT THAT YOU GET FROM US ON THE QUARTERLY REPORT. THAT'LL BE, UH, REFLECTIVE OF Q3 SUCH, UH, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AND MARCH. BUT WE BASICALLY WRAPPED UP, UM, THROUGH MARCH YEAR TO DATE, UH, WE WERE AT A HUNDRED, NEARLY 105,000 WALK-INS, WHICH IS AROUND 70% OF OUR ANNUAL GOAL. AND THEN ON THE PHONE AND EMAIL INQUIRIES, WE WERE ALMOST, WELL, WE WERE JUST A LITTLE OVER 4,900 THROUGH, UH, AGAIN, YEAR TO DATE THROUGH MARCH, WHICH IS PLACES US AROUND 65% OF OUR GOALS. SO PACING PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE, FOUR, THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH THE YEAR, THROUGH MARCH. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, YOU'LL SEE THIS IN A WRITTEN REPORT THAT'LL BE COMING TO YOU THIS MONTH. AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER KPI THAT IS, UM, THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR REPORTS ARE THE, UM, MORE, UM, OPEN-ENDED QUESTION, A LITTLE LESS HARD AND FAST DATA, UM, UM, WITH THE VISITOR CENTER EXPERIENCE AND VISITOR CENTER SATISFACTION, WHICH WE'VE BEEN GLEANING FROM A VISITOR SURVEY THAT WE SEND OUT EVERY MONTH VIA EMAIL TO THOSE WHO HAVE ORDERED OUR VISITOR GUIDE. THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS. WE'VE BEEN DOING A SURVEY METHODOLOGY WE'VE HAD IN PLACE FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN GATHERING VISITOR CENTER SATISFACTION DATA FOR QUITE A WHILE. UM, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE MOVING FORWARD IS THAT WE ARE NO LONGER SENDING OUT OUR VISITOR GUIDES, SO WE'RE NOT COLLECTING THOSE, UM, EMAIL ADDRESSES TO THOSE WHO HAVE ORDERED A GUIDE AS STARTING ON APRIL ONE. SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE IDEAS THAT THE STAFF AND I ARE, UH, DISCUSSING, PERHAPS A QR CODE THAT DIRECTS, UH, A WALK-IN VISITOR TO A SHORT SURVEY THAT'S JUST POINTED ON THE VISITOR CENTER, NOT OUR BIGGER VISITOR DEMOGRAPHICS AND ALL OF THAT. UM, THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE SURVEY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THE VISITOR CENTER INCORPORATED INTO OUR CONSUMER NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT EVERY MONTH. SO I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO MOST VIABLE OPTIONS. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST DIGGING INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND I CAN ADVISE ANNETTE AND LETS YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET THIS AT LEAST TAKING US THROUGH, UH, THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT NEW KPIS FOR NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. UM, NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE VISITOR OR THE, SOME OF THE VISITOR CENTERS AROUND THE STATE, BECAUSE, UM, THIS WAS REALLY INSIGHTFUL AND I KNOW HEATHER HERMAN, UH, UH, DID SOME RESEARCH AS WELL, WHICH WAS INTERESTING TO SEE. UM, WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED IS THAT THERE ARE ROUGHLY 60, UH, JUST UNDER 70 OR SO VISITOR CENTERS IN ARIZONA. UM, THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER REMAINS THE SECOND BUSIEST IN THE STATE NEXT TO THE GRAND CANYON OUT OF THE NEARLY 76, 66 TO BE EXACT, UM, THROUGHOUT THE STATE. 20 ARE STATE PARKS. ONE IS A NATIONAL PARK, ONE IS A NATIONAL HERITAGE SITE. THREE ARE STATE RE RECREATION CENTERS, AND 21 ARE IN SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T TEND TO TRACK THE WAY [05:25:01] SOME OF THE MORE SOPHISTICATED, LARGER TOURISM DESTINATIONS DO. UM, SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE ARE 20 OF THE VISITOR CENTERS THAT ARE FROM CITIES AND TOWNS THAT DO HAVE SOME SENSE OF TRACKING IN PLACE. AND WHAT I THINK YOU'LL NOTICE, AND YOU'LL SEE WE, WE LEFT YOU A SHEET, UM, THAT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO THE PERCENTAGE. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT WAS THE PERCENTAGE OF DESTINATION VISITOR VOLUME TO ANNUAL WALK-IN VISITORS SO THAT WE COULD GET A, A GOOD SENSE OF HOW ARE THERE, AT LEAST WITH THAT MEASUREMENT, HOW ARE THERE, HOW ARE THOSE? YES, THAT ONE, JESSICA, IT'S THE SAME ONE THAT YOU'VE GOT UP THERE, SORT OF, IT'S JUST PRETTY MUCH THE SAME INFORMATION. IT JUST HAS A PERCENTAGE OF HOW MANY, HOW MANY, BASED ON HOW MANY VOLUME, WHAT'S THE VOLUME OF THE, OF VISITORS THAT ARE COMING INTO THAT TOWN OR CITY AND HOW MANY ARE BEING SERVICED AT THE, HOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE IS BEING SERVICED AT THE, THEIR VISITOR CENTER, 4 22. SO THAT JUST HAS THAT PERCENTAGE, WHICH MADE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR. UM, BUT WHEN YOU DO LOOK AT THAT, AT THOSE TWO DATA POINTS, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT WHILE IT DOES STILL SEEM LIKE IT'S A, LIKE SEDONAS, YOU KNOW, GOT 4.6 OR 4.5 ISH PERCENT, WHICH DOES SOUND LIKE A LOW NUMBER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE VISITOR CENTERS AROUND THE STATE, I MEAN, WE'RE STILL ONE OF THE HIGHEST. UM, SO I THINK THAT HELPED US TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, RECOGNIZE THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDE AT THE VISITOR CENTER, AS WELL AS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE REFERRALS PROVIDED TO THE MANY BUSINESSES. I MEAN, IT'S THERE, IT'S JUST, IT'S INTERESTING HOW THE, MAYBE THE PUBLIC AT LARGE IS, IS VIEWING VISITOR CENTERS THESE DAYS. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A BIGGER THING, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYONE'S KIND OF IN THE SAME KIND OF EVOLUTION OF HOW, WHAT A VISITOR CENTER SHOULD BE. BUT COMPARING OURSELVES TO THOSE IN THE STATE, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING VERY WELL IN TERMS OF SERVICING THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF VISITOR VISITORS IN OUR DESTINATION. SHE, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES. YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS YET, PHOENIX HAS 19.5 MILLION VISITORS, AND YET THEY ONLY HAVE I SAW THAT TOO. YEAH. UH, THEY ONLY HAVE 16,500 PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE VISITOR CENTER. SO HOW ARE THEY SERVICING THE 19 MILLION PEOPLE? WOULD BE INTERESTING IF YOU COULD MAYBE FIND THAT OUT OR HEATHER, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING INTO THE VISITOR CENTER? THERE ISN'T ONE ACCORDING TO THE DRIP PLANT. HMM. THEY SAY HERE WHAT THEY NEED. OH, I, I WAS LOOKING ONLINE. NO BRICK, AND THERE IS NO BRICK AND MORTAR VISITOR CENTER. THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. MM-HMM. , BUT ALSO CONSIDER PHOENIX SKY HARBOR AIRPORT AND THE WELCOME STAFF THAT THEY HAVE IN THE AIRPORT THAT ALSO SERVES OH, THE AIRPORT VISITORS. SO IT KIND OF DUPLICATES AS A PSEUDO VISITOR CENTER CENTER. I WASN'T LOOKING AT THIS, PLEASE. DO YOU MIND, IS IT ALL RIGHT TO, IT'S 'CAUSE I ACTUALLY GOT A LOT OF AS ASSISTANCE FROM A RESIDENT RESEARCHER, UH, CHERYL ON THIS. SO CHERYL, I MEAN, IF YOU SURE, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU YOU'D LIKE TO ADD COME UP THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, SO THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE THERE FOR PHOENIX AND FOR SCOTTSDALE, PHOENIX IN PARTICULAR, IS IN THE VISITOR, OR NOT THE VISITOR CENTER, BUT THE CONVENTION CENTER. SO WHILE YOU HAVE 19 AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THERE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE VISITOR CENTER IN THE KIOSKS ARE COMING FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER. AND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACTUALLY VISITING PHOENIX. THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS FOR MAYBE THE NEXT TIME THEY COME BACK. BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OUR SCENARIO HERE. UM, IT'S BIG CITY AND WHILE THEY DON'T HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING THAT'S, THEY HAVE MORE KIOSKS AROUND TOWN. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, IT DOES ACTUALLY. AND I THINK ABOUT IT. I, I WAS IN PHOENIX MULTIPLE TIMES AT CONFERENCES WHERE IT WASN'T ABOUT GOING TO PHOENIX, IT WAS ABOUT WHERE THE CONFERENCE WAS BEING HELD. MM-HMM. . AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. YEAH. YEP. MAKES SENSE. OKAY. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND REVIEW. UM, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M SORRY. LET ME GO BACK 'CAUSE THERE'S AN IMPORTANT POINT, AN IMPORTANT OTHER POINT, AND YOU PROBABLY SAW THAT OUTLINED IN READ THAT I DID WANNA MAKE, UM, THE FUNDING FOR THE CENTERS DOES TYPICALLY COME FROM TAX REV REVENUE VERSUS OTHER SOURCES LIKE GRANTS OR MEMBERSHIP [05:30:01] DUES. UM, AND AS WE DO LOOK AHEAD IN PARTNERSHIP, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED TO A FEW OF YOU ABOUT THIS, UM, NOTION, IT'S, IT'S NOT WHAT I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT, BUT AS WE DO LOOK FORWARD IN PARTNERSHIP, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANNA SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT OF THE NOTION OF INDUSTRY STANDARD, A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING OF BED TAX DOLLARS OR FROM BED TAX DOLLARS TOWARDS THE FUNDING OF THE VISITOR CENTER, WHICH DOES SEEM TO BE, AGAIN, IN OUR RESEARCH IN THE TAB, WE COULD DIG FURTHER INTO THIS, BUT THAT DOES SEEM TO BE WHAT IS TYPICALLY DONE. SO JUST SOMETHING TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND FOR OUR FUTURE. OH, MICHELLE, WHEN YOU HAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED IN READ, ARE ALL THESE XS A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY THE CITY? CHERYL? YES. THANK YOU. OH, VOICE. SOME BEYOND. I, I, YEAH, WE, I JUST WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS JUST FUNDED BY BED TAX. RIGHT. BUT NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A BREAKDOWN. SURE. NOT GOOD QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO LET'S TAKE A PEEK AT OUR PROPOSED BUDGET. UH, YOU HAVE A DETAILED BUDGET IN YOUR PACKET. WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON, UM, ONLINE IS THE, UM, KIND OF ABBREVIATED VERSION. UM, THERE IS A, A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE, AND I'LL, AND I'LL GET TO THIS, A SLIGHT DIFFERENT DIFFERENCE IN OUR ASK COMPARED TO THE AGENDA BILL, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN A SECOND. SO, AS WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THIS YEAR, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED EXPENSES UNDER EMPLOYEES. WE WENT FROM, UH, TWO SALARIED HIGHER UPS AND HOURLY STAFF TO ONE SALARIED HIGHER UP AND HOURLY STAFF. WE ALSO REDUCED VOL, OUR VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, PUBLIC RESTROOMS WE ARE UNDER IN PUBLIC RESTROOMS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T INCREASE THE RESTROOM CLEANING FREQUENCY AS WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED. PLUS WE'VE SEEN FEWER, UM, PLUMBING ISSUES. UM, SO THAT'S BEEN A PLUS SO FAR, UH, VISITOR CENTER OCCUPANCY, WE DIDN'T RENEW OUR COPIER LEASE, UM, AND PURCHASED A SMALLER PRINTER INSTEAD. WE ALSO SCALED BACK SIGNIFICANTLY WITH OUR STORAGE. WE HAD TWO UNITS. WE, UM, UH, SCALED BACK DOWN TO ONE OR SCALED DOWN TO ONE AND ON COLLATERAL THAT WAS OVER BUDGETED THIS YEAR. UM, BUT WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE TWO PURCHASES OF COUNTER MAPS NEXT YEAR. SO IT'S WITH THESE EXPENSE REDUCTIONS IN MIND AND WHERE WE BELIEVE WE WILL LAND, UM, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR THAT WE CREATED THE FISCAL 25 BUDGET THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, THE TOTAL EXPENSE TO OPERATE THE VISITOR CENTER FOR FISCAL 25 IS 370,900, CARRYING OVER THE SAME ARRANGEMENT THAT YOU WERE USED TO THIS YEAR, WHICH IS THE 15% MANAGEMENT FEE APPROACH AND THE 80 20 ARRANGEMENT THAT PUTS THE CITY SHARE FOR FISCAL 25 AT THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE TWO TWENTY EIGHT, WHICH IS A SAVINGS OF ROUGHLY $83,000, UM, FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. THIS IS A VERY LEAN BUDGET. UH, WE ARE DOING THIS REALLY OPERATIONALLY WIDE. I MEAN, WE DID THIS WITH OUR ADMIN OFFICE AS WELL. SO IF YOU WERE WONDERING HOW WE SCALED BACK SO MUCH, THAT'S HOW WE JUST REALLY, REALLY SCALED BACK IN MANY WAYS. UM, ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO ON THE AGENDA BILL, THE CITY'S 80% WAS 3 47, 0 93, WHERE I'M, OUR ASK HERE IS 3 41 2 28. SO IN THE ORIGINAL 3 47 FIGURE, UM, WE ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE BUILDING VALUE ALLOCATION, BUT IN THE LATEST FIGURE, WE CHOSE TO JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE AND JUST CONSIDER THAT PART OF THE 80%. AND SO THAT'S WHY OUR ASK IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED. SO, UM, WE'RE ONLY ASKING CITY TO COVER 80% OF THAT PORTION OF THE VALUE. UM, SO THE ASK THEN TONIGHT IS FOR THE CITY FUNDING, UH, TOTAL EXPENSE PLUS 15% MANAGEMENT FEE, 80% WITH THE CITY COVERING 20, OR WITH THE CHAMBER COVERING 20%, UH, YOUR 80% WOULD BE 3 41 TO 28. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER WHICH WAY YOU WANT US? WELL, ANY QUESTIONS HERE, JESSICA, START ON THE OTHER END, BRIAN. OH, NO, . UH, NO, ACTUALLY MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. I SAW THAT YOU HAD, UH, REFERENCED A NEED FOR CHANGE OF SURVEY PROCESS, AND I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT. SO YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT ALREADY, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL HAVE COMMENTS REGARDING THAT, BUT OTHERWISE, MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UM, ON YOUR SLIDE WITH THE FUNDING BED TAX SLASH CITY, [05:35:01] UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT BEING FUNDED BY THE CITY. ARE THEY ALSO, ARE ALL THESE ALSO RUN BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, COUNSELOR. DUN, SORRY. SO THAT'S FINE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE OUR 80 20 ARRANGEMENT. YEAH. UH, IT'S RUN BY THIS OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I'M QUESTIONING, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHETHER OR NOT IN YOUR RED LINED, YOU MADE A, A COMMENT ABOUT HOW THEY'RE ALL A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY THE CITY. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, ARE THEY ALSO ALWAYS RUN BY THIS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS OPPOSED BY CITY PERSONNEL? OR IS THAT THE HEADS GO? NO, THEY'RE NOT ALL RAN BY THE CHAMBER. THERE'S BEEN CHANGES, LIKE COTTONWOOD HAS HAD A CHANGE WHERE THE CITY IS NOW, UM, TAKING OVER THE OPERATION OF IT, THE FUNDING MODEL, WHETHER WHO'S RUNNING IT, UM, REMAINS THE SAME. THERE IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A QUESTION ON YOURS. THERE, YOU'LL SEE A SECTION IN HERE CALLED GRANTS, THE GRANT MONEY THAT COMES FROM A OT IN THIS, UM, THIS FORM IS USED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. UM, IT, IT IS NOT USED FOR THE OPERATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER. SO WHEN IT SAYS A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING FOR, UM, OR, OR, YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING BY BED TAX, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE I SIT BACK DOWN? NO. HEATHER, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? 'CAUSE I SAW SOMETHING ON YOUR FACE THAT YOU HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION MAYBE. OH, NO, I CAN, I THINK I CAN JUST, UM, CLARIFY BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM, UM, MY REPORT AND JUST A A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN COTTONWOOD DOES OPERATE THE VISITOR CENTER. THEY, UM, RECEIVE A, A PERCENTAGE OF FUNDING FROM THE CITY. THE THING THAT WAS TAKEN FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FROM THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD WAS THEIR MAJORITY OF FUNDING AND THE DESTINATION MARKETING. SO THE CITY CREATED THEIR OWN DMO AND THEY LEASE THE, UM, OLD TOWN SPACE IN COTTONWOOD. IT'S A CITY BUILDING. THEY LEASE IT FOR A DOLLAR A YEAR TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO HAVE A SECOND VISITOR CENTER LOCATION. AND THEN THEY DO PROVIDE SOME FUNDING WITH THAT. AND THEN THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES OF, UM, VISITOR CENTERS AROUND THE STATE AND HOW THEY'RE MANAGED. AND WILLIAMS, AS AN EXAMPLE, USED TO BE RUN BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND THE CITY MOVED THEIR FUNDING EIGHT YEARS AGO. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CLOSED THEIR DOORS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AFTER THE FUNDING WAS REMOVED FROM THEM. AND THE VISITOR CENTER STAYED WITH THE CITY. SO THE BUILDING WAS OWNED BY THE CITY. SO THE VISITOR CENTER IS JUST NOW RUN BY CITY STAFF AND, UM, BECAME A, A DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF WILLIAMS. AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES IN THERE. THANK YOU, HEATHER. ANYTHING ELSE? YOU DONE? OKAY. SO WE DIDN'T SEE THIS LAST YEAR, SO I NEED A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION AND I, MAYBE IT'S A GARY QUESTION. BUILDING VALUE ALLOCATION, FEBRUARY, 2024, APPRAISAL $25,500. I DON'T GET IT. TELL ME WHAT IT IS. I CAN'T PUT A DATE ON IT. I'M NOT GOOD AT DATES. IT WAS ONE OF OUR JANUARY TIMEFRAMES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING. WE TALKED ABOUT THE ALLOCATION THAT WAS, UH, BEING ASKED TO BE FUNDED BY THE CITY, WAS THE INTEREST EXPENSE ALLOCATED. AND, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR BELIEF IS THAT PART OF OUR SKIN IN THE GAME IS OUR BUILDING. AND, UM, SO WE NEVER HAD THE APPRAISAL THAT WE HAD, THAT WE RECEIVED IN FEBRUARY THAT SAID, WE HAD EVIDENCE, WE HAD, WE HAD A STUDY DONE THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING IS. UM, AND RATHER THAN SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE BUILDING VALUE SHOULD BE PUT IN HERE, WE KIND OF TIPTOED AND PUT 25% IN THERE AND GOT ADDITIONAL $10,000 OF FUNDING. SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, WE, WE HAD [05:40:01] INFORMATION, UM, AND WE FELT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE FUNDING FOR THE BUILDING THAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE. SO IS THAT OTHERWISE BE KNOWN AS RENT? YES. OKAY. $8,500 WE'RE PUTTING THROUGH LIKE 2,500 . I DIDN'T, JUST ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING IT. THAT'S BUILDING VALUE SOUNDS BETTER THAN RENT. I WISH I WOULD'VE SAID THAT AT THE BEGINNING. . SO I'M GOING TO GO NOW. UM, SO SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP TODAY AT THE LOING COUNCIL TO RAISE MORE FUNDS. HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF SELLING, YOU KNOW, UM, BALLOON RIDES, JEEP TOURS? UH, I KNOW YOU DO SELL A LOT OF NICE, UH, THINGS, ITEMS AT THE VISIT CENTER, BUT HOTELS, BOOKING HOTELS AS A CONCIERGE, HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED AT DOING THAT? BECAUSE I TALKED WITH, UM, A COUPLE DIFFERENT COMPANIES, UH, TOUR GUYS, AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT'S GOOD MONEY TO BE HAD THAT WAY. WE COULDN'T DO IT. MM-HMM. . BUT YOU COULD DO IT. YEAH. SO WE, WE'VE DEFINITELY SOLD GREATER LEVELS OF MERCHANDISE IN THE PAST. UM, BUT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, LIKE YOU SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, TOURS AND, AND BOOKING HOTEL BOOKINGS. UM, WE ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE KEY FUNCTIONS OF THAT KIOSK THAT, UM, WE TOOK DOWN EVENTUALLY, UM, DID HAVE A BOOKING, UM, ABILITY. AND WE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE IT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, LARGELY FOR THOSE WHO COME TO INTO TOWN AND THOSE VISITOR CENTERS CLOSED. MM-HMM. , THEY'RE STILL ABLE TO GET WHAT THEY NEED AND ACTUALLY EVEN BOOK A BOOK A STAY IF THEY HADN'T ALREADY DONE SO PRIOR TO COMING. UM, BUT THAT'S ABOUT THE EXTENT OF IT. WE HAVE TALKED, HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE OPTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, DOING A GREATER DEEPER DIVE INTO THAT CONCEPT. YES. BEFORE YOUR MEMBERS MM-HMM. , YOU'D JUST BE, YOU KNOW, DOING BOOKINGS FOR THEM AND YOU'D BE HELPING THEM. THEY'D BE HELPING YOU BY PAYING YOU. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER REVENUE SOURCE THAT YOU'RE REALLY NOT USING. MM-HMM. OR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT IS TRUE. YEAH. YEAH. SO, UH, I, EVERYTHING ELSE I HAVE IS QUESTIONS I ANSWERED. UH, JUST BY VISITING THERE, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ANSWERED JUST BY BEING THERE. SO KATHY, UH, I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. PETE, NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. NO QUESTIONS. WELL, OKAY. WE HAVE CARDS. ASSUMING PEOPLE ARE STILL HERE. RANDY MCGRAIN, YOU STILL HERE? THERE HE IS. YOU WERE BEHIND THE PODIUM. BOY, YOU REALLY STUCK WITH US. GOOD TONIGHT. THANK YOU. IT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MR. MARTINEZ. THANK, THANK YOU. NO, IT'S YOU NOW. NOW IT'S YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. UM, UH, I WAS REALLY GLAD I COULD COME HERE AND SPEAK TODAY. I ALSO, I WAS HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AND I SPENT THREE DAYS IN UP, RANDY, YOUR NAME. OH, RANDY MCGRAIN SEDONA. UM, SO I CAME AND SPENT THREE DAYS IN UPTOWN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. AND I SPENT MUCH LONGER IN A VISITOR CENTER THAN I'VE EVER SPENT IN A VISITOR CENTER IN MY LIFE. AND I HAD OTHER PEOPLE WITH ME. I'VE NEVER SEEN A VISITOR CENTER OPERATE QUITE LIKE THIS VISITOR CENTER. IT'S TRUE. IT IS. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR TOURISM HERE. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I APPLIED FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, TAB, I EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A DESTINATION MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION PRIMARILY AND A MARKETING ORGANIZATION. SECONDARILY, THIS IS A PLACE TO MANAGE THE DESTINATION. THIS IS A PLACE FOR PERSON TO PERSON CONTACT, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT. UH, WE CREATE, WE BREAK DOWN OUR PERCEPTIONS OF EACH OTHER. WE CAN SAY TOURISTS, BUT THEN YOU MEET A FAMILY AND YOU CHANGE YOUR PERCEPTION. YOU CAN SAY, OH, THOSE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA DON'T WANT ANYBODY. AND THEN YOU MEET THIS INCREDIBLY CARING VOLUNTEER WHO REALLY HELPS YOU. SO I, I FIND IT TO BE AN INCREDIBLY VALUABLE THING. I SAW IT INCREDIBLY BUSY AND I DON'T KNOW, IT WOULD BE A VOID IF IT WASN'T THERE. AND IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO SUSTAIN WITHOUT THE CITY FUNDING. OBVIOUSLY. I WAS INTERESTED IN THAT PHOENIX COMMENT. IF YOU GO TO PHOENIX, YOU'RE GOING, LIKE YOU SAID TO A CONFERENCE, NOBODY JUST GOES TO PHOENIX. THAT'S, GEEZ, I WONDER WHAT WE SHOULD DO. BUT YOU PE ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE GO TO SEDONA AND WE CAPTURE ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE JUST OFF OF 1 79 AND 89 A THAT THEY'RE JUST LIKE, OH, WE'RE DRIVING THROUGH. AND THEN THEY SEE THIS AND THEN THEY STOP. AND IF, AND TO ME, THE LOCATION IS CRITICAL, ESPECIALLY IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE A FOREST ROAD GARAGE AREA. WE GET PEOPLE WALKING OUT, THEY CAPTURE 'EM AT THE VISITOR CENTER AND THEY START TO EXPLAIN WHAT VISITING THIS AREA IS LIKE, WHAT RESPONSIBLE VISITING IS LIKE. UM, IT'S A VALUE. IT'S VALUABLE TO THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY REALLY DO HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO I STRONGLY SUPPORT CONTINUING TO FUND THE VISITOR CENTER. IT'S [05:45:01] A VERY VALUABLE ASSET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, JOHN MARTINEZ WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MATT DEL TERRY. SHE LEFT, I THINK. OKAY. THEN ELLEN ROBERTS, SHE LEFT. GEE, TOUGH CROWN. ALRIGHT, HOLD ON. AND PETE SANDERS. OKAY, GO. JOHN, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? , FIRST OF ALL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINEZ AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. BEFORE I START OFF, I WANTED TO SAY THAT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE INTERESTED, I GAVE THESE FLYERS TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. THERE'S WHOLE STACK OF 'EM. IT'S RIGHT OVER THERE WITH REGARD TO THE CARLOS MACKAY. UM, SOME OF YOU MIGHT HAVE READ THE ARTICLE THAT, UH, MICHELLE WROTE BECAUSE, AND IT AMAZED ME THAT THE VISITOR CENTER IS OVER 68 YEARS OLD. IT'S BEEN SERVICING THE CITY OF SEDONA. WELL, ACTUALLY AT THE TIME IT WAS WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL SEDONA, BUT IT WAS NOT INCORPORATED YET. SO IT'S OLDER THAN THE INCORPORATION OF THE CITY OF SEDONA. BUT WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT ABOUT ALL THE STATISTICS THAT WAS PROVIDED AND WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TALKED IS THAT IT IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS STAFFED WITH FRIENDLY AND VERY, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE VOLUNTEERS. AND IN FACT, AS, UH, THE MAYOR SAID THIS MORNING IS THAT THOSE VOLUNTEERS REALLY PRESENT THE POSITIVE FACE, THE POSITIVE FACE OF HOW, WHAT SEDONA IS LIKE, FRIENDLY. AND WHEN A LOT OF THE INDIVIDUALS, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THERE, UH, ARE SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT JANA HEES, WHO IS OUR ARTISTIC DIRECTOR FOR THE SEDONA SYMPHONY, SHE GOES THERE OFTEN JUST TO, TO KEEP, UH, WHENEVER SHE COMES HERE TO DO THE CONCERT, SAYS, WHAT IS THE LATEST THINGS GOING UP THERE? AND SHE MENTIONED TO ME THAT SAYS, MAN, THOSE VOLUNTEERS ARE SO FRIENDLY WHEN YOU LEAVE THERE, THEY'RE NO LONGER GUESTS. THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE FAMILY. AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THAT THEY ARE THE FACE CUSTOMER SERVICE. CUSTOMER SERVICE IS WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING. I'M SURE ALL OF YOU HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THESE BIG ORGANIZATIONS THE WAY THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. GO ON THE INTERNET, GO TALK TO GO TALK TO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THEY TALK TO YOU AND THEY PROVIDE THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND IF YOU LOSE THAT, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE. A BIG THING. I'LL GIVE A PERFECT EXAMPLE, IS THAT BANK OF AMERICA NO LONGER HAS A BRANCH IN THE ENTIRE VERDE VALLEY. AND MY BANK IS WELLS FARGO. AND I'VE GONE TO THEM AND THEY SAID THEY HAVE GOTTEN HUNDREDS OF CUSTOMERS FROM BANK OF AMERICA BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE THEY CAN TALK TO PEOPLE WITH. SO DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN HERE. LACK OF CUSTOMER SERVICE AND THE REPUTATION THAT APPLIES IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN ANY OF THE POSITIVE SOCIAL MEDIA TYPE THINGS THAT MIGHT COME THROUGH. SO I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE. I WOULD LOVE THE MOTION THAT IS PRESENTED TO BE CHANGED TO BASICALLY GO BACK TO PRE PANDEMIC AREAS TIMES AND PUT $500,000 TO FUND THE, THE VISITOR SUMMER WHEN YOU TAKE THE VALUE OF MONEY. THAT'S BASICALLY THE SAME AS WHAT MICHELLE'S ASKING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, JOHN. PETE SANDERS. PETE, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE. PETE SANDERS, SEDONA, ARIZONA. AGAIN, THANK YOU COUNSEL. UH, AS LONG AS WE'RE EXPERIENCING THIS HUGE LONG MEETING, I KNOW YOU HAVE EVEN LONGER HOURS OF REVIEW AND CLOSE SESSIONS, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY, I VERY PASSIONATELY FEEL YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE THE VISITOR CENTER UNTIL YOU HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO REPLACE IT WITH. UM, AND THAT MAY NEVER COME. I GIVE LECTURES AND PROGRAMS IN TOWN AND I TRACK HOW PEOPLE GET THERE. AND THE PEOPLE WHO COME THAT AREN'T FROM MY WEBSITE, 40% OF THEM COME FROM, UH, HAVING MY RACK CARD IN THE VISITOR CENTER. AND THE OTHER 60% OF 'EM COME FROM SEEING IT ON THE VISIT SEDONA CHAMBER CALENDAR OF EVENTS. UNFORTUNATELY, I HOPE THIS WILL CHANGE. I GOT IN ON THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARDS SCENIC SEDONA WEBSITE. THE MINUTE THEY HEADED IT UP, KEEGAN CALLED ME. I HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE PERSON COME TO MY PROGRAMS FROM THAT. SO I HOPE WHILE YOU'RE GETTING THAT TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD MORE FULLY GOING, LET'S NOT [05:50:01] THROW OUT WHAT HAS BEEN WORKING. UH, THE VISITOR CENTER REPRESENTS KINDNESS. NOW, MAYBE I'M JUST AN OLD FART AT 73, BUT I LIKE BEING ABLE TO TALK TO SOMEONE. AND WHEN I GO IN THERE AND I'M PUTTING THEIR RACK CARDS IN, EVERYBODY THERE HAS A PHONE. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO GO THERE, THEY WANT TO TALK TO SOMEBODY. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WHEN THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING GOING UP THE CANYON. IF IT'S A FRIDAY, SATURDAY, YOU CAN'T REACH ANYBODY AT THE CITY. CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY GO UP. IT'S PAST MIDGLEY BRIDGE CALL STATE TROOPERS, AND YOU CAN'T GET ANYBODY. SO THE CHAMBER HAS PROVIDED A MAJOR SAFETY SERVICE. WHEN THERE'S SNOW, WHEN THERE'S CLOSURES, THEY CAN HELP BUSINESSES. I JUST THINK THE VALUE OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE WORKING THERE IS WORTH YOUR KEEPING AT LEAST FOR ONE MORE YEAR, UH, UNTIL YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO REPLACE IT WITH. AND I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THE FUNDING REQUEST. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR TOWN. THANK YOU, PETE. OKAY. PETE'S CARD WAS THE LAST, IT WAS MORE CALM THIS TIME. YES, YOU WERE . PETE WAS THE LAST. IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO, UH, SPEAK NOW, NOW WAS THE TIME. FILL OUT A CARD. OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THIS. MORE CARDS AT THE END WHERE I DON'T SEE THEM. THOSE ARE BLANK. THOSE ARE, WELL, CHERYL, YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH. I'M SORRY. YOU SHOULD KNOW . OKAY. YOU CAN COME UP AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE CARD. IS IT CHERYL'S CARD? I DON'T NEED PUT IT ON TOP. THREE CARDS. PUT IT . OH MY GOODNESS. OKAY. ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE, CHERYL BARRON. CHERYL BARRON. CHERYL, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, . OKAY. CHERYL, FOLLOWED BY, UH, AL CAMELLA. NAME, NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. HELLO, MY NAME IS CHERYL BARON. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I OWN A SMALL BED AND BREAKFAST IN UPTOWN AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE LODGING COUNCIL. I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING FOR THIS VISITOR CENTER. ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET IS INFORMATION FROM 14 ARIZONA OFFICE OF TOURISM DESIGNATED VISITOR CENTERS. GO AHEAD. THAT ARE SIMILAR TO SEDONA. 20 OF THE 66 ARE IN STATE. UH, IN THE STATE ARE STATE PARKS, WHICH ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE STATE ONE NATIONAL PARK, WHICH IS FEDERALLY FUNDED, THREE STATE FUNDED RECREATION SITES AND 21 SMALL REMOTE TOWNS THAT DO NOT TRACK INFORMATION AND DO NOT HAVE KPI OBLIGATIONS LIKE SEDONA OF THE 14 THAT HAVE SIMILAR FUNDING NEEDS. UM, 12 ARE FUNDED A HUNDRED PERCENT BY BED TAX DOLLARS AND HAVE A ALWAYS BEEN AND TO ARE FUNDED THROUGH GIFT SHOP SALES AND TO ARE BOOKINGS. AND THAT'S PAIGE AND KINGMAN. IN THE PAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT ONLY 4% OF OUR TOTAL VISITORS COME TO SEDONA ACTUALLY WALK THROUGH THE DOOR OF THE VISITOR CENTER. IF YOU WOULD REFER TO THE SPREADSHEET, YOU CAN SEE THAT SEDONA HAS 4.6% KINGMAN, 3.6%, FLAGSTAFF 2.2, PHOENIX 0.8, UH, SCOTTSDALE 0.7, AND WILLIAMS 0.5. SEDONA IS THE HIGHEST WALK-IN RATE IN THE STATE WITH SIMILAR VISITOR CENTERS. UM, AND WHILE THAT PERCENTAGE APPEARS TO BE LOW, IT'S ACTUALLY EQUATING TO OVER 138,000 VISITORS. JUST LAST YEAR, LAUREN KEEGAN, ROB, KAREN, AND HEATHER, HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB PUTTING THE NEW DMO TOGETHER. AND IN THAT, IN IN TIME, THAT DEPARTMENT WILL BE RUNNING AT A LEVEL THAT WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND RUN A VISITOR CENTER. THAT DAY IS NOT TODAY. IN ORDER TO KEEP IT UP AND RUNNING AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST, WE NEED TO PAY FOR THE SERVICE THAT THE CHAMBER IS PROVIDING. MICHELLE HAS CLEARLY SHOWN THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY ARE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND THEY AS AN ORGANIZATION ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO KEEP THINGS UP AND RUNNING UNTIL THE TIME THAT THE CITY CAN TAKE IT OVER. ONCE THE CITY TAKES OVER THE OPERATIONS, WILL THEY THEN ASK THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT TO PAY 20% OF THE EXPENSES? I DON'T THINK SO. THE CITY WILL PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT OPERATION, SO WHY NOT DO THAT NOW? UM, MY ASK IS TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION FROM 80 20 AND GO THE FULL A HUNDRED PERCENT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE TO CONVINCE EVERYBODY THAT THE VISITOR CENTER IS WORTHY OF THAT. UM, THAT'S REALLY, I HAVE MORE ON THERE, BUT IT'S KIND OF BEATING A DEAD HORSE . SO AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA LODGING COUNCIL AND ALL THE LODGING PARTNERS IN TOWN, UM, WE ASK THAT YOU FUND IT A HUNDRED PERCENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. CHERYL. AL [05:55:01] WILL BE FOLLOWED BY VICTORIA AL MELLO, RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I'M HERE TO WELCOME OUR NEW CITY MANAGER. ANNETTE, WELCOME TO SEDONA, DAY TWO . I HAVE A LONG, UM, SPEECH HERE. I'LL JUST GO TO THE LAST PARAGRAPH. YAY. SO DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER. GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS THING, KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND DO SOME SERIOUS HOMEWORK TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE VISITOR CENTER FITS INTO THE CITY'S LONG RANGE MASTER PLAN TO MANAGE THE TOURISM ECONOMY AND OUR CUSTOMERS. AND NEVER FORGET WITHOUT TOURISM SEDONA AS WE KNOW, IT WOULD NOT EXIST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AL VICTORIA. NOW VICTORIA'S THE LAST CARD. IF ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK. NOBODY ELSE. OKAY, VICTORIA, GO FOR IT. UH, MY NAME'S VICTORIA LAKI. I RESIDE IN COTTONWOOD. UH, THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH US TODAY. I WORK FOR THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND I MANAGE THE VISITOR CENTER IN UPTOWN. UH, WE HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL VISITOR CENTER PROVIDING IMPORTANT SERVICES ALONG WITH PROVIDING CONNECTION AND COMMUNITY WITH OTHERS. UM, ARIZONA HAS 66 VISITOR CENTERS AND WE'RE THE SECOND BUSIEST VISITOR CENTER IN THE STATE. UM, WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF FACTS AND FIGURES AND STATISTICS WE'VE GIVEN YOU. UM, BUT FOR INSTANCE, IN JUST THE FIRST 12 DAYS OF MARCH, WE ASSISTED 7,200 VISITORS. UH, THINK ABOUT THE TIME AND EFFORT AND STAFFING THAT TAKES. UM, WE DO FIELD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR, UM, QUESTIONS WITH THE CITY, QUESTIONS WITH EVENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. UM, ANY NUMBER OF CRAZY QUESTIONS WE GET ON ANY GIVEN DAY. UM, OUR RATIO OF WALK-IN VISITORS TO OUR OVERALL VISITATION IN SEDONA IS 4.6%. UM, THE GREATEST, THE HIGHEST RATE IN THE STATE. UH, THIS IS GREAT NEWS BECAUSE THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO HELP OTHERS MAKE GOOD DECISIONS THAT BENEFIT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. UM, WHAT MAKES THE SEDONA VISITOR CENTER DIFFERENT THAN MOST OTHER VISITOR CENTERS IS WE HAVE 400 MILES OF STUNNING US FOREST SERVICE, RED ROCK DISTRICT TRAILS. UH, WE REQUEST THAT HIRE STATE HIKERS, STAY ON THE TRAILS, CHOOSE APPROPRIATE HIKES AND HIKE AT THE TRAILHEADS THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THEIR HOTELS TO REDUCE TRAFFIC. WE DO TRY AND REDUCE TRAFFIC AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH OUR SUGGESTIONS. UM, WE DON'T WANT SOCIAL MEDIA DICTATING WHERE HIKERS GO. THIS LEADS TO HIKERS, GOING TO CAVES, UH, GOING OFF TRAIL AND DESTROYING THE HABITAT. UH, WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO EDUCATE HIKERS, UH, FOR THEM TO RECREATE RESPONSIBLY AND SAFELY. UM, I COULD GO INTO, UM, UH, WE DO POSSESS THE, UM, FEATURES OF A SUCCESSFUL VISITOR CENTER, UM, WITH OUR BEAUTIFUL BUSTLING UPTOWN LOCATION, UM, AND WITH OUR, UH, WAYS THAT WE INCORPORATE TECHNOLOGY. BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT AT THIS POINT. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICTORIA. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THAT PORTION NOW. WE'LL GO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. AND NOW GO FOR COMMENTS. ANYBODY WANNA START OFF WITH COMMENTS? SURE. BRIAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I'M GONNA START WITH THE END. THE END IS THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE, UH, REQUEST, UH, THAT IS IN OUR PACKET FOR FUNDING FOR NEXT YEAR. UM, MY COMMENTS THEN ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, FOR STARTING THIS AT 10:00 PM UH, I THINK IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE WORSE FOR YOU THAN US, UH, BECAUSE AT LEAST WE'RE TALKING ENGAGING AND YOU'RE SITTING AROUND WAITING UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN THERE. UH, EVERYBODY THAT'S, UH, HERE FOR THIS TOPIC. UM, THANK YOU ALSO TO HEATHER FOR YOUR WORK IN THE PACKET. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, THE, THE PART ON PACKET PAGE 3 59, UH, THAT TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE SUMMARIZED FINDINGS ABOUT, UH, VISITOR SERVICES, UH, IN THE FUTURE. UM, I WON'T READ IT ALL OFF, BUT THOSE FOUR BULLETS, I'M LIKE, OKAY, YEAH. THAT CHALLENGES OUR THINKING ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE PART OF SUPPORTING VISITORS GOING FORWARD. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE TAB AT LEAST. I HOPE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE GIVING DIRECTION HERE, THAT THE TAB AND STAFF SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY THAT CAN INCORPORATE, UH, TECHNOLOGY AS WELL AS IN-PERSON AS NEEDED, UH, ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE FOR VISITOR SERVICES. UM, LIKE A LOT OF TOPICS, I TRY TO SQUARE WHAT WE HEAR IN ONE ENVIRONMENT WITH WHAT WE SEE IN ANOTHER. AND LIKE, I DON'T DOUBT [06:00:01] THAT THE EXPERIENCE IN THE VISITOR CENTER IS EXCELLENT, RIGHT? LIKE THE SURVEYS POINT TO THAT. AND EVEN THOUGH I'VE NOT GONE AND SPENT THE TIME, ANYBODY THAT I KNOW THAT HAS, HAS SPOKEN VERY HIGHLY OF IT. SO I DON'T DOUBT THAT, RIGHT? BUT THE ONE THING THAT JUST TROUBLES THE HECK OUT OF ME IS THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS NOT TELLING US THEY WANT THE VISITOR CENTER. THEY'RE JUST NOT. I MEAN, WE HEAR FROM A FEW HOTELIERS. I MEAN, CHERYL, YOU'VE BEATEN THE DRUM TO GET THE LODGING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO EITHER SHOW UP OR TO, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATE TO US TO SUPPORT THE VISITOR CENTER. MICHELLE, YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING IN YOUR COMMUNICATIONS TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER. WE'RE NOT GETTING INPUT THAT SAYS THIS MATTERS. WE'RE JUST NOT, WE'VE GOTTEN MORE EMAIL FROM VOLUNTEERS OF THE VISITOR CENTER THAN WE HAVE BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THE LAST EMAIL I CAN REMEMBER GETTING FROM A BUSINESS WAS FROM SOMEBODY THAT ACTUALLY LIVES IN VILLE AND HER BUSINESSES IN VILLE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I JUST STRUGGLE WITH THAT. LIKE, WHY DOES THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY NOT TELL US THAT THIS MATTERS? I HAVE A, UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THIS. UM, BUT I DO HAVE OUR MEMBERSHIP SURVEY. MM-HMM. . AND THERE IS A REFERENCE TO THE VISITOR CENTER IN THERE. I I AM NOT, I DON'T WANT TO MISS, YOU KNOW, MISSTATE A NUMBER OR PERCENTAGE, BUT I'LL, I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD HELP IN THIS QUESTION. YEAH. YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY GIVEN YOU WHAT MY, YOU KNOW MM-HMM. DECISION IS ON THIS, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT THAT I'M NEEDING CONVINCING OR SOMETHING HERE, RIGHT? BUT IT'S JUST THAT DOESN'T SQUARE WELL AT ALL. RIGHT? AND WE SHOULD BE HEARING DIRECTLY FROM THE BUSINESSES LIKE WE DO ABOUT OTHER TOPICS AROUND TOWN, UH, THAT COME IN FRONT OF US AND WE'RE JUST NOT HEARING IT. SO THAT'S KIND OF TROUBLESOME. UM, BEYOND THAT THE, THE SURVEY. SO, UH, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S COMING FROM WORK WITH THE CHAMBER STAFF TAB, LIKE WE'VE GOTTA GET MUCH BETTER DATA ABOUT VISITOR SERVICES OVER EITHER, YOU KNOW, GET IT READY TO GO FOR THE NEXT CONTRACT YEAR, WHATEVER. UM, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A MUCH MORE ROBUST, UH, SURVEY PROCESS AND THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND NPS QUESTION. AND I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT I'LL THINK WILL HELP ALL OF US IS A QUESTION THAT BASICALLY SAYS, IF THIS VISITOR CENTER DIDN'T EXIST, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO GAIN THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO HAVE A GREAT SEDONA EXPERIENCE? AND FOR THAT TO BE A FREEFORM QUESTION, NOT A PROMPTED, YOU KNOW, CANNED, HERE'S YOUR THREE CHOICES OR FIVE CHOICES. SO I THINK WITH THAT, I AM GOOD TO GO. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE LATE TONIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR BRIAN, I HAVE A QUE MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE. YOU SAID YOU SUPPORTED THE S BUT THE, IN THE PACKET, BUT THE PACKET, UH, HAD 3 47 0 93. BUT MICHELLE HAD REVISED THE ASKED DOWN TO 3 41, 2 28. I'M, I DO MEAN THE 3 41, 2 28 AS REQUEST. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNSEL. DONE. SO I'LL ALSO SKIP TO THE, TO THE BOTTOM FIRST AND SAY, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THE ASK, UM, AS STATED TO BE, TO BE CLEAR FOR COUNSELOR KINSELLA. UM, HOWEVER, I REALLY DO THINK WE'RE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF OR TAB AND OR BOTH, AND I'LL JUST STARE AT ANNETTE. UH, WELCOME TO DAY THREE. 'CAUSE IT ALMOST IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE RIGHT VISITOR CENTER IS FOR SEDONA, FOR THE GENERATIONS THAT ARE COMING NOW AND WILL BE COMING IN THE FUTURE. BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, THE AVERAGE AGE IN SEDONA, AS IT AGES SOME WILL DROP OFF AND THE GENERATION BEHIND THAT WILL BECOME THAT AGE GROUP. AND WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IT IS PEOPLE ARE REALLY DOING AND HOW PEOPLE ARE REALLY USING VISITOR CENTERS. UM, AND, AND I DON'T WANT US TO KEEP KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD. UM, I FELT PERSONALLY, AND I'M SURE EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DID THE LAST YEAR IS WE KICKED IT DOWN THE ROAD, CAME UP WITH THE 80 20 AND WE'RE EXPECTING [06:05:01] SOMETHING, RIGHT. BETTER NUMBERS TO, TO, UM, BRIAN'S POINT, UM, QUITE HONESTLY, I LOOK AT YOUR SURVEY AND YOU KNOW, HOW MANY SKIPPED 131, HOW MANY ANSWERED 13, RIGHT? AND THEN YOUR BIG LONG GREEN BAR IS LIKE EIGHT PEOPLE. SO THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T USEFUL IN THE LONG RUN. RIGHT. AND MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE TELLING, BUT I JUST REALLY, BESIDES GETTING BETTER DATA AND YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE BETTER DATA. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I, I REALLY DON'T WANT US TO KICK THE CAN. SO MY, MY DIRECTION TO, TO STAFF IS, UM, LET'S PUSH FORWARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS WE REALLY, WE REALLY NEED. WHETHER IT'S THROUGH TAB IN THE TOURISM BUREAU, WHATEVER IT IS, VICE MAYOR, I'M GONNA BE SHORT. I SUPPORT THE, UH, CONTINUATION AT THE REQUESTED AMOUNT. 3 41 2 2 8. IS THAT, IF I'M READING THAT CORRECTLY, ? YEAH. THANK YOU. UH, I DO TOO. I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE I AM WITH THAT. UH, I DID WANNA ADD, AND I WASN'T SURE WHAT COUNCILOR DUNWOOD WAS TALKING ABOUT A VISIT CENTER FOR THE FUTURE. AND OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT TECHNOLOGY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT DURING MY VISIT AT LAST TWO VISITS, UH, TO THE VISIT CENTER, I SAW A LOT OF YOUNGER PEOPLE THERE. AND THEY WERE IN THEIR, I WOULD GUESS, THIRTIES WITH SOME LITTLE KIDS. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN I TELL YOU? 68 YEARS OLD, TO ME THAT'S YOUNGER , BUT YEAH, I'M NOT SEEING 20 YEAR OLDS, OR I ACTUALLY THINK I DID, BUT THEY WERE PROBABLY JUST GO IN THE BATHROOM. THEY JUST LOOK YOUNG TO YOU. YEAH, THEY DO YOUNG, RIGHT. BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT THERE, THIS WAS A, A GOOD STEADY VICTORIA WILL TELL YOU, THEY A LOT OF YOUNGER PEOPLE THERE THAT GO THERE NOW. AND I WOULD ASK THEM, YOU HAVE A SMARTPHONE? AND OF COURSE THEY HAVE A SMARTPHONE. YOU DIDN'T, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION FOR GOOGLE. THEY SAID, NO, YOU GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION DOING FACE-TO-FACE. I DON'T WANNA GO TO TO THAT. I DID IT THIS MORNING. BUT, UH, THERE'S A LOT, UH, FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE. YOUNGER, MAYBE 52. I DON'T KNOW , BUT, UH, ANYWAY, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE GOING TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE. WHAT WOULD THE TECHNOLOGY BE IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXPAND, UH, KIOSKS, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SO THAT INTO THE FUTURE IF YOU, WE CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING WELL AS A NEXT STEP. SO ANYWAY, UH, AND FOR THE, UH, 3 41, 2, 2 8 FOR SOME PEOPLE WANT TO EXACT NUMBERS. COUNSELOR ELLA. WELL, SINCE THE D IS CAST, SINCE FOUR COUNSELORS HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT WHAT THEY SUPPORT AND THE NUMBER, UM, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A BIG REVEAL WHEN WE GO TO A MOTION. SO, UH, I'LL USE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST SAY THAT I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR DUNN THAT THIS IS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. UM, THIS IS WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR AS WELL. HOWEVER, I, I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A SOMEWHAT APPROPRIATE KICK THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE STARTED ON WITH A BIG PROJECT IN, WITH THE TOURISM BUREAU, BRINGING THAT IN HOUSE. BUT WE'RE NOT YET FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO HAVE REALLY DEFINED WHAT WE NEED, WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, HOW IT, WHAT FUNDING WILL BE REQUIRED. SO I THINK KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IS PROBABLY IN ORDER. UM, I HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, AS WELL, AND I'VE EXPRESSED THIS THE LAST TIME THAT WE MET LIKE THIS, THAT I, I STILL, AND I DON'T FEEL THAT THE BUSINESSES HAVE ENOUGH SKIN IN THE GAME, AND GARY, TO USE THE, THE TERM THAT YOU SAID, THAT THE BUILDING IS THE SKIN IN, IN THE GAME. BUT, BUT YOU ARE ASKING FOR MORE SUPPORT FOR THE BUILDING AS WELL IN THIS WONDERFUL NEW WORD WE LEARNED TONIGHT, RENT . UM, SO AGAIN, I, I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE THINGS ARE, BUT I DON'T HAVE A BETTER OPTION AT THE MOMENT THAN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. SO WITH THE 3 4 1 2 28 ASK THAT WE ALREADY KNOW IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, UM, I WILL SUPPORT THAT RELUCTANTLY. COUNCIL FURMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF MY WORDS EITHER HERE. UH, BUT I DID WANNA SAY, UH, FROM THE OUTSET THAT THANKS TO THIS NEW DATA THAT WE'VE SEEN BOTH IN YOUR PACKET HERE AND FROM THE WORK THAT THE TAB, UH, THE, UH, OUR VISITOR BUREAU DID AND HEATHER SUBMITTED BEFORE WITHIN IN THAT PACKET, I'M ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THAT THE VISITOR CENTER IS WELL RUN, UH, COST EFFICIENT. IT'S RECEIVED WELL BY THE VISITORS THAT WALK IN THERE, RIGHT? I, THE DATA SHOW THAT IF I WERE, UH, TUCSON, I'D BE WORRIED, I'D [06:10:01] BE REALLY WORRIED ACCORDING TO THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU GOT. BUT, BUT HERE'S THE THING THAT KEEPS TRIPPING ME UP, IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT 5% OF OUR VISITORS ARE COMING THERE WHILE YOU LOOK AT THE VISITOR INTERCEPT DATA THAT WE STUDIED FROM OUR TOURISM BUREAU. 15% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE USUALLY, OR ALWAYS LOOK FOR ONE, WE'RE GETTING A THIRD OF 'EM INTO OUR VISITOR'S CENTER. SO SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT, SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WORKING WELL, WHAT WE'VE GOT, IT'S NOT WORKING WELL FROM A BROADER PERSPECTIVE OF WHO COMES TO SEDONA. UH, AND I SUSPECT THAT IT'S BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE GOES DOWN, UH, TO UPTOWN. SURE, THAT'S THAT'S FINE. BUT THAT SPEAKS TO ME THAT OUR APPROACH ISN'T RIGHT. WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE AND THEY'RE NOT ALL IN UPTOWN. AND SO I THINK THE FUTURE OF THE VISITOR CENTER LOOKS RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT DOES TODAY. SO I'VE BEEN DOING A SURVEY OF MY OWN FOR THE LAST YEAR, TALKING TO PEOPLE EVERY TIME I'M OUT HIKING ON THE TRAILS AND MY NUMBERS. I'VE SPOKEN NOW TO ROUGH SPEAKING 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T TAKEN THE EXACT DATA A HUNDRED PEOPLE ON THE TRAILS. NOW THIS IS MOSTLY BY SUGAR LOAF WHERE I LIVE, BUT IT'S NOT ONLY IN SUGAR LOAF, IT'S OUT IN WEST SEDONA AS WELL. OUT OF THE CULTURAL PART, ABOUT FIVE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THEY'VE GONE TO THE VISITOR CENTER, SO THAT THAT'S CLOSE TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE TRACKING AT 5%. BUT 99% OF THEM TELL ME THAT THEY ARE SO HAPPY VISITING HERE. THEY'RE HAVING A POSITIVE VISITOR EXPERIENCE. PEOPLE ARE NICE. THEY'RE GETTING THIS EX, THEY'RE GETTING THE FEEDBACK THAT THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE THAT WE ALL BELIEVE IS CRUCIAL FOR OUR VISITORS TO HAVE. AND THEY'RE GETTING IT WITHOUT GOING TO THE VISITOR CENTER. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, THAT THIS IS A, A RA A RADICAL CHANGE IS NEEDED. AND I ALSO THINK THAT TODAY'S A VOTE BEFORE US DECISION FOR US IS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. AND IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT IN 12 MONTHS WE'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT UH, IDEA. WELL, SO I'M ACTUALLY NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION TODAY BECAUSE YOU LOST ME WHEN YOU CAME IN WITH THE BUILDING VALUE ALLOCATION CHANGE. AND YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR I WAS ALSO AGAINST THE FEE. THIS ISN'T THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL THAT I BELIEVE IN. I WOULD PAY FOR SOME OF YOUR SERVICES TO HELP MANAGE IT, BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT OF THE FEE. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR ME. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT HOW WE WORK. UH, AND I WILL PUT EVERYONE ON WARNING THAT NEXT YEAR IF WE'RE BACK IN THIS 80 20 AND WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF WORK, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE ME COMPLETELY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. WAIT A MINUTE. I'M NOT CLEAR ON, I'M NOT SUPPORTING EMOTION. NOT OKAY. BUT, OKAY. JESSICA, I'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE VISITOR CENTER. I LIKE FACE TO FACE INTERACTION. I THINK IT, UM, I THINK IT SERVES A PURPOSE IN A PURPOSE IN THE WHOLE RANGE OF, OF, OF OPTIONS WE OFFER VISITORS. UM, I ALSO AGREE THAT I'M NOT SURE THIS MODEL REMAINS THE ONE THAT WE NEED FOR THE FUTURE. I THINK I AM REALLY, REALLY EXCITED TO SEE, UM, THE TAB AND, AND THE NEW DMO TAKE A REAL DEEP LOOK AT, AT WHAT'S OUT THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THE BEST PRACTICES NOW 68 YEARS LATER FOR FOR MANAGING, UM, THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE IN OUR KIND OF, OF LOCALITY. I, SO I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK IT'S KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW. A KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD WOULD BE JUST NOT DOING ANYTHING. I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE KEEPING WITH WHAT WE ALL SORT OF BELIEVE WE NEED SOME VERSION OF SOMEHOW, SOMEWHERE UNTIL, UNTIL THE RESEARCH CAN BE DONE. SO I, I HAVE NO TROUBLE. I'M NOT AT ALL. I'M VERY COMFORTABLE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS. UM, ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION, MR. MAYOR? YES I AM. HOLD MR. MAYOR, HOLD ON. COUNSELORS, ONE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, FOR, FOR THE AGREEMENT, UH, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT HAS COUNCIL JUST FUNDING VISITOR SERVICES, WHICH WAS DEFINED AS KIND OF WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT MAINTAINING OPERATING STAFFING, THE VISITOR CENTER UP ON THE BUDGET. HERE WE HAVE A PROPOSAL, AND THIS WAS BECAUSE IT CAME UP, I THINK OF, OF A MONTH OR SO AGO ABOUT REPAIRS. SO IN LINE TWO AND THREE, IT TALKS ALSO ABOUT REPAIRS, [06:15:01] BOTH MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS OF THE RESTROOMS AND OF THE, THE BUILDING. UM, IF AS LONG AS IT'S CAPPED AT THE 3 41, 2 28 DOES, DOES COUNCIL CARE? THAT'S MY QUESTION. I, I'D ADD THAT INTO THE CONTRACT IF REPAIRS OF THE BUILDING ALSO THAT CAME UP. WHAT YOU WANT MAINTENANCE, REPAIRS AND SERVICES. NO, THAT'S, IT'S MY QUESTION FOR COUNSEL. DO THEY CARE ABOUT REPAIRING THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF JUST MAINTAINING IT TODAY? IT'S JUST BEEN MAINTENANCE. NO, WE'VE REPAIRED, WE PUT THE BATH, WE'VE REPAIR. NO, I MEAN THAT WAS SEPARATE YEARS. THIS, THIS LAST YEAR. THAT WAS BACK WHEN WE WERE A PART, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP I GUESS THAN I WOULD FEEL FINE ADDING REPAIRS. 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE BUDGET. WE'RE APPROVING IT. HOLD ON. EXCUSE ME, KURT. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW, BECAUSE THE MOTION, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN OBVIOUSLY WOULD CHANGE THE, I JUST NEED DIRECTION. I JUST NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL ABOUT THE LANGUAGE. IT'S LEAVING IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT THE CONTRACT. THE CURRENT CONTRACTS SPECIFIC THAT IT'S ONLY FOR VISITOR SERVICES AND AS DEFINED. THAT'S ONLY, UM, IT'S ONLY MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING, NOT ANY REPAIRS OF THE BUILDING. SO MEANING I THE REQUEST WAS A ROOF LEAK OR, OR ALONG THOSE LINES, SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF OR NO. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? GARY, DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT? WE NEED TO HOLD ON KATHY, LET GARY FINISH PLEASE. YEAH, GO AHEAD GARY. UH, WE ARE UNDER BUDGET, THANKFULLY TO LESS PLUMBING REPAIRS, BUT WE HAVE A LEAKY ROOF AND WE'VE GOTTEN PROPOSALS AND WE NEED TO SPEND AROUND $12,000 TO FIX THE LEAKS AND TO RESE, UH, RECOAT THE, THE ROOF. AND SINCE IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY IN THE BUDGET, WE THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO COME AND ASK FOR SPECIALLY, AND WHEN WE ASKED FOR IT, SPECIALLY WE WERE TOLD IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE COVERED IN THIS YEAR IN THIS CURRENT CONTRACT. BUT, SO THE QUESTION IS, FOR THIS NEXT YEAR ARE AS, AS LONG AS IT STAYS UNDER THE 3 41, 2 28 DOES, DOES COUNCIL CARE WHETHER IT INCLUDES REPAIRS INSTEAD OF JUST MAINTENANCE? IT SAYS REPAIR, CORRECT. BUT I HAVEN'T DRAFTED THE AGREEMENT AND THIS ISN'T THE AGREEMENT. NO, NO, I KNOW, BUT KAREN YEAH, IF I COULD JUST WEIGH IN PLEASE, PLEASE. 396 OF THE PACKET WHERE YOU HAVE THE FY 25 PROPOSED BUDGET, IT IS 30 LINE ITEMS AND THERE IS NO REPAIR IN HERE. THERE'S, THERE'S MAINTENANCE AND THERE'S UTILITIES. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO REPAIR. SO THIS BUDGET REFERENCING REPAIRS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BUDGET THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE. I THINK IT WAS NOT THE CITY'S INTENTION TO COVER REPAIRS. BUILDING REPAIRS, IF WE'RE PAYING FOR RENT, LEASE, THE PROPERTY TAX, FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT AND, AND, AND THE LIT RENT BUILDING AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. THOSE ARE ALL SEPARATE LINEUPS. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR THE CHAMBER IS WHAT DO YOU INTEND , WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR? WHAT'S IN OUR PACKET OR YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE? UM, IT'S KIND OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE THERE TOO. SO ARE YOU THEN SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING FOR WHAT'S IN THE, OUR PACKET, WHICH DOESN'T REFERENCE REPAIR, WE CALL IT BUILDING AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. FINE. THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IT FROM AN ACCOUNTING OKAY. LEDGER ACCOUNT TITLE. BUT UP THERE, AND I DIDN'T PICK UP ON IT, THANK YOU KURT. BUT UP THERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REPAIRING OF A ROOF. TO ME, A MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS ARE SO HARD TO DISTINGUISH. THEY'RE ONE IN THE SAME. THIS IS WHERE WE END UP EVERY TIME, EVERY SINGLE TIME. AND THIS IS WHERE WE THEN START GETTING OUR BACKUP AND FEEL BETRAYED, YOU KNOW, UM, AGAIN, SO I MEAN IT IS JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, I, ARE YOU INTENDING TO RE TO TWO FIX THE ROOF. FIX THE ROOF . AREN'T THE LANDLORDS USUALLY READY? AND I THINK, LISTEN, WE HAVE TO MOVE AHEAD NOW BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? I MEAN, SO, SO I NEED, YEAH, I NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL, WHICH IS, I RAISED THE QUESTION. UM, YOU KNOW, IF COUNSEL'S WILLING TO FUND A 3 41, 2 20, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS WHETHER IT'S FOR MAINTENANCE OR REPAIRS. RIGHT. BUT THAT IT COULD TO SOME COUNSELORS, WHICH IS WHY I RAISED IT AND IT WOULD REQUIRE ME TO CHANGE JUST ADDING IN REPAIRS. UM, ALTHOUGH FOR COUNTY PURPOSES, THE MAY THE SAME. I THINK DEFINITION LEGALLY DIFFERENT. A MAINTENANCE IS A ROUTINE, UH, [06:20:01] CLEANING, UM, AND A MOLD REPAIR IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S BROKEN AND NEEDS TO BE FIXED LIKE A LEAKY ROOF. BUT IT'S ALREADY REDUCED FROM LAST YEAR ANYWAY. CORRECT. IT SIGNIFICANTLY FROM LAST YEAR. IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY. RIGHT. SO, UM, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN ALL VOTE. RIGHT? THANK YOU. . I MOVE. WE ASK KURT AS, AS LONG AS THE, THE MOTION MAKES IT CLEAR WHETHER IT'S GONNA INCLUDE REPAIRS OR NOT. 'CAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO INCLUDE REPAIRS. OKAY. I GUESS WE HAVE TO OPEN IT. BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA, BUT YOU'RE GONNA INCLUDE A NUMBER THAT INCLUDES A REPAIR. NO, I'M GONNA INCLUDE THE NUMBER FROM THE, FROM THE PACKET. THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S HIGHER. OH, IT'S HIGHER. YEAH, THAT'S THE WRONG WAY. SCREW IT. SO EITHER YOU'RE GONNA DO 3 41 TO 28 MINUS 12,000, OR YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORDING TO, BUT THEY COULD CHANGE THIS SLIDE. IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE CITY PAY FOR THE REPAIR 80%, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK CITY TO PAY FOR IT. THE CHAMBER WILL PAY FOR IT. WE HEARD THE ANSWER WAS NO. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD. SO FOR YOU, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR MEANS MAINTENANCE. SAY YES. YES. , DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, KURT? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M GETTING DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL THEN. WE WON'T INCLUDE IN REPAIRS. IT'LL JUST BE AS IT WAS THIS LAST YEAR. MAINTENANCE. I THINK OUR INTENT IS ONLY TO FUND MAINTENANCE. SO LET'S GO TO OUR INTENT. OKAY. OKAY. MAKE A MOTION PLEASE. I MAKE, I MOVE TO APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR SERVICES WITH THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN THE AMOUNT OF $341,228 FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE VISITOR CENTER FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COME ON GUYS. SECOND. FIVE, SPARE SECOND, JOE. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. SIX TO ONE WITH, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN, THE DISSENTING VOTE. COME ON, LONNIE, HANG OUT. WOULD YOU PLEASE? THAT IS AMAZING. AND WE'RE NOT DONE YET. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEARING WITH US. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. MY THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU ME TO WAKE UP. I KNOW. YEAH, I WAS GONNA, SAME CONTRACT. THANKS MICHELLE FOR GETTING TO WEAR. OKAY. ITEM [8.e. AB 3027 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.] E, AB 30 27. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION AND ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT-TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION AND STATE BUDGET AND A POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND MADAME VICE MAYOR AND COUNCILOR. SO WE DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO REPORT. THE LEGISLATURE IS NOW MEETING ONCE A WEEK. UH, THEY'VE GOTTEN THROUGH, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THEIR BILLS. THEY STILL HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED LEFT. I DID ADD IN HERE OUR, UH, LIST FINALLY. 'CAUSE I WAS LOSING TRACK, UM, OF OUR 33 BILLS THAT THE COUNCIL WAS EITHER FOR OR AGAINST. THERE WERE TWO NEW ONES I WANTED TO, I HIGHLIGHTED THAT'S WHY THEY WERE HIGHLIGHTED. THOSE WERE ONES THAT COUNSEL HADN'T APPROVED. BUT, UH, BASED ON OUR, ON SOME URGENCY, UM, AND TAKING SOME POSITIONING. UM, AND IT WAS SBU 10 55 WAS SIGNED, UH, BY THE GOVERNOR AND VICE MAYOR. YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT 1176. THE EARLIER IN THE MEETING, IT ORIGINALLY WAS A GENERAL FRIEND APPROPRIATION OF 250,000 TO THE ARIZONA TRAIL FUND. UH, BUT THE STRYKER STRUCK THAT, AND IT JUST MADE IT SO THAT THE OHV, OH, I'M GONNA GET IT WRONG NOW, BUT THE, THE OHV DECAL FEES COULD NOW, UH, THE FUNDS COULD ALSO GO TO FUND, UH, LOCAL SHERIFFS FOR OHV, UH, RULE ENFORCEMENTS. SO BE PREVIOUSLY IT WASN'T THAT THE, THAT APPROPRIATION, THOSE FUNDS WERE NOT ABLE TO BE USED BY, BY, UH, COUNTY SHERIFFS. BUT NOW THEY COULD BE. SO IS IT STILL TOO 50? NO, IT'S, IT'S, NO, IT'S NOT A SET AMOUNT, IT'S JUST WHATEVER THEY BRING IN NOW, IT'S CAN BE, THEY CAN APPLY. SO Y COUNTY COO, COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE COULD A COULD APPLY, UM, FOR, FOR FUNDS TO HELP DO OHV ENFORCEMENT, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS. THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE THAN JUST TWO 50 SINCE WE HAVE NO BUDGET THAT THEY HAVE APPROVED AN, AN APPROPRIATION. YES. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WERE ADDED. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS MORE ON THOSE, THEN LET ME KNOW. THE, THE OTHER MAJOR ONE THAT'S MAKING MOVES RIGHT NOW IS THE, UH, A DU ORDINANCE. IT'S AT THE VERY END OF THE PACKET. UM, SO THE ONE THAT'S STILL ALIVE IS SB 1415. UH, THERE WAS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT, THE LEAGUE'S BEEN WORKING CLOSELY. UH, I'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE LEAGUE, UM, [06:25:01] ABOUT THIS. AND THE QUESTION FOR, SPECIFICALLY FOR SEDONA, SOME LEGISLATORS HAD QUESTIONS WAS, WOULD SEDONA SUPPORT ADUS IF THEY COULD PROHIBIT THEM FROM BEING USED AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS? AND SO THAT'S ONE THING I NEED TO, UH, WE CAN JUST, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS BRIEFLY TONIGHT. AND I, I, I FELT THE ANSWER FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNSEL WAS PRETTY MUCH THAT YES, COUNCIL WAS ALREADY KIND OF MOVING THAT DIRECTION AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO ADUS, BUT THE HOLDUP HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED, UM, AS SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IS THAT'S STILL TRUE. YEAH. OKAY. YEP. I'M HEARING, I'VE SEEN ALL NODS UP THERE AND YESES. SO, UH, BUT THEN UNFORTUNATELY THIS MORNING OR SOMETHING MID-MORNING, MAYBE SINCE THIS REPORT JUST WENT OUT THIS MORNING, IT WAS ACCURATE EARLIER, UM, THE PROPONENT OF THIS BILL, UM, UH, REPRESENTATIVE CARD CARDONE OR CARBONE AND THE OTHER, UM, HE, SOME OTHER PROPONENTS, UM, KIND OF RENEGED ON THAT DEAL. AND THE AMENDMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW WOULD NOT ONLY, SO CURRENTLY IT'S THE 75,000 PERSONS IS WHAT IT LIMITED TO. SO THIS WASN'T EVEN GOING TO APPLY TO SEDONA, BUT THIS CHANGE TO THE STATE, SHORT-TERM RENTAL LAW WAS GOING TO BE A, A BENEFICIAL TO SEDONA SO THAT WE COULD, UM, MOVE MORE QUICKLY ON THE A DU ORDINANCE. UM, BUT THEY'VE RENEGED ON BOTH THAT, TAKING THAT OUT AND THE 75,000 PERSON CAP. SO THEY'RE GONNA REMOVE THAT. SO IT WOULD APPLY TO ALL CITIES AND TOWNS, UM, AND WITH NO RESTRICTIONS AND COUNTIES YEAH. WITH NO CAP ON SIZE, NO RESTRICTIONS FOR THE, UM, NO CAP ON THE SIZE, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME RESTRICTIONS, BUT NO, BUT THEY CAN, THEY CAN AND THEY CAN BE TURNED INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS. CORRECT. THEY COULD JUST BE SHORT TERM RENTALS. RIGHT. SO AND IT'S TWO ADUS. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. CORRECT. AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN THE MAIN HOUSE. SO IT COULD BE THREE ADUS. SO IT COULD BE THREE STR ST IT COULD BE AN, IT COULD BE THREE ST THREE, IT WON'T BE THREE STANDALONE UNITS, BUT IT COULD BE AN A DU INSIDE THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEN A ONE ADDITIONAL STANDALONE A DU. SO, AND THE SETBACKS, AS YOU SEE ARE FIVE FEET AND THERE'S UH, FIVE FEET. YEAH. INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL 10 OR 15 . WHOA. SO, OKAY. AND YOU NEED US TO CONTACT, UH, KEN BENNETT AND HELP HIM TO VOTE NO ON THIS? YES. SO IT'LL BE, IT'S IN THE SENATE, UH, TOMORROW. AND SO, UM, I THINK MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR ARE GOING TO REACH OUT AND WE'LL HAVE, IF WE THINK SO, WE CAN HAVE, UM, PAUL AND TODD REACH OUT AS WELL. OR, UH, DUNNO IF WE NEED FOUR PEOPLE CONTACTING HIM OR IF JUST THE TWO'S ENOUGH. SO MR. MAYOR, WE CAN DISCUSS IT. I'M SORRY. YES, GO AHEAD. UH, JUST ADDING ONTO THIS, SO, UH, DURING THE SADDLE ROCK TOPIC AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WHEN I POINTED OUT FORMER SENATOR KAISER BEING IN THE AUDIENCE WHO'S, UH, BEEN VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN, UH, THESE TYPES OF ISSUES, UH, HE ACTUALLY, UH, CAME BACK UP HERE AND I HAD LUNCH WITH HIM A WEEK AGO. AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE DISCUSSED. AND WHEN I SAW THE, UH, LEAGUE, UH, ALERT TODAY ABOUT, UH, HB 27 20 GETTING UPDATED AS YOU JUST DESCRIBED, KURT, I SHOT HIM AN EMAIL AND JUST SAID LIKE, THIS IS CRAZINESS. LIKE THIS IS THE STUFF THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. THAT MAKES NO SENSE. AND HE HAD ASKED ME IN FOLLOW UP LAST WEEK AND ASKED ME AGAIN TODAY IF WE HAD ANY POLICY DOCUMENTED HERE OF SAYING THAT, UM, THAT OWNER OCCUPIED WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A REQUIREMENT LIKE THAT IF WE WERE WE, THAT WE COULD BE OKAY WITH BRINGING ADUS BACK IF IT WAS AN OWNER OCCUPIED HOME IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND WHICH KIND OF BRINGS IT BACK TO SORT OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, AIRBNB LAW ITSELF, RIGHT? LIKE AS LONG AS YOU'RE LIVING THERE AND IF YOU WANNA RENT OUT A PIECE, IT'S OKAY. RIGHT? AND I TOLD 'EM, I'M LIKE, HEY, WE'VE TALKED TO THIS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DOCUMENTED. AND I'M NOT ASKING US TO DOCUMENT ANYTHING TONIGHT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE REASON TO AGENDIZE SOME SORT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS TO HAVE PERHAPS SOME POLICY OR PREFERENCE. I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M KIND OF OUT OF MY LEAGUE ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, UH, THAT ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION GOING ON WITH SOMEBODY THAT EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT A SENATOR AND NOT ABLE TO, UH, LOBBY ON A PAID BASIS TO THE LEGISLATURE, HE'S STILL SHARING HIS OPINION WITH THE LEGISLATURE. SO GO AHEAD PLEASE. SO IF WE HAD A POLICY, WHAT WOULD HE DO WITH IT EXACTLY? HE'S SAYING [06:30:01] THAT HE HAS LEGISLATORS THAT HE WOULD SHARE THAT WITH TO SHOW THAT WE'RE NOT JUST ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO ANYTHING INVOLVING ADUS. WELL, SINCE THEY'RE HEARING IT TOMORROW, AND I THINK WE CAN GO ON THE RECORD TONIGHT, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD. I JUST SENT, KIM HAD AN EMAIL, DID HE ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE TWO ADUS? SO THAT, I MEAN, IT, IT'S ODOR OCCUPANCY, IT TWO 18 JUST MAKING IT LOOK LIKE A, A A BE A BREAD AND BREAKFAST PLACE. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, I MEAN, WHEN HE AND I ACTUALLY MET LAST WEEK, THERE WASN'T A TWO 80 UI KNOW, BUT DEAL ON THE TABLE. SO, UH, SO THAT REALLY WASN'T PART OF THE, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO RESPOND BACK TO HIM 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN IN COUNCIL MEETINGS. UM, I AM JUST, BUT HE, HE'S ACTUALLY EXPRESSED HIS DESIRE TO SEE THAT NONE OF THE ADUS WOULD BE ABLE TO BE STD. SO HE ACTUALLY IS WANTING TO SEE HOUSING BE BUILT TOPIC FOR ANOTHER TIME OR OFFLINE. HAPPY TO SHARE WHAT I HEARD. BUT ANYWAYS, SO, SO I GUESS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BE ON RECORD THEN OF HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. HOW ARE WE WAIT ISN'T, ISN'T, WOULDN'T WE NORMALLY HAVE A POLICY ISSUE ABOUT THIS? WOULDN'T WE TAKE THIS UP THROUGH THE LDC? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO WANT TO DO THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE IS A TIMELY PIECE OF, OF LEGISLATION PENDING. BUT NORMALLY, WOULDN'T WE ADDRESS THIS THROUGH A MUCH MORE THOROUGH PROCESS? I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PREFERENCE, NOT POLICY, NOT TRUE POLICY. I THINK I, I AGREE WITH YOU COUNSELOR. MM-HMM. , I AGREE WITH YOU. ACTUALLY IT DOESN'T, I'M SO TIRED OF THIS AND TIRED OF HIM AND TIRED OF ALL OF THEM WHO WON'T DO ANYTHING. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA SAY WHAT I ALWAYS SAY, BUT , BUT I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T CARE TO HAVE A PREFERENCE AT THIS POINT. I, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE PREFERENCE FOR OR AGAINST IS GOING TO MAKE THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF DIFFERENCE TO, TO WHAT HAPPENS. UM, NO ONE HAS CARED IN THE PAST AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CARE NOW. SO I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO OPINION. VICE MAYOR, WELL I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR MONTHS NOW FOR US TO LOOK AT THE PHOENIX ORDINANCE, WHICH IS EXACTLY THIS, WHICH IS OWNER OCCUPIED AD YOU KNOW, ADUS ON OWNER OCCUPIED NON, UH, STR, WHICH KURT HAS CAUTIONED. THE, THE MAIN HOUSE COULD STILL BE USED AS STR THOUGH. HMM. THE MAIN HOUSE COULD STILL BE USED AS STR. YEAH. YEAH. WHICH, WHICH KURT HAS RAISED SOME LEGAL CONCERNS ABOUT, BUT SO FAR IT'S WORKING IN PHOENIX. UNLESS THIS IS GONNA UNDO IT , WHICH MIGHT BE THE REASON THEY WANTED TO IT. UH, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE. SO WE'VE, I THINK WE NEED A COMPROMISED POSITION. I THINK WE SHOULD TRY. I MEAN WE CAN, WE CAN JUST WORK THE GOVERNOR AND TELL HER TO VETO IT. BUT IF WE HAD A COMPROMISE POSITION AT LEAST THAT YOU COULD GO BACK WITH, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH THE LEAGUE WAS TRYING TO, TO GET A COMPROMISE POSITION AND ASKED US TO SUPPORT THEIR COMPROMISE, WHICH, WHICH WE WERE NEGOTIATING. CORRECT. SO THE, THE, THE LEAGUE'S INITIAL POSITION WAS SO THAT ANY NEW ADUS BUILT AFTER THE ENACTMENT OF SB 1415 COULD BE PROHIBITED FROM BEING USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. UM, THE FALLBACK POSITION THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE LEAGUE WASN'T NECESSARILY AGAINST, WAS TO REQUIRE THE OWNER TO RESIGN ON THE PROPERTY IF IT WAS GONNA BE USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. UH, WHICH IS WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN THE PACKET. BUT NOW WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS JUST GETTING RID OF THAT ALTOGETHER. SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM THE LEGAL'S PERSPECTIVE, EITHER THE FIRST TWO POSITIONS WOULD SATISFY A LOT OF THE GOALS OF THE CITY. YOU KNOW, I FEEL REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE THAT OUR LOBBYISTS ARE NOT WEIGHING IN. YEAH. WHY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS SESSION THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM THEM ON THIS. NO, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME. OKAY. NOT THE FIRST TIME. AND DID YOU REACH OUT TO 'EM AT ALL? SO, I MEAN, THIS JUST CAME OUT DURING ALL OF THESE MEETINGS. UH, AND [06:35:01] WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE, RIGHT? AND WE, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACT QUICKLY. AGILE. AGILE, GOOD WORD. OH, LOOK AT THAT. AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. THAT'S SO GREAT. 1130. ALL GOOD FOR NOW . SO I WOULD LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING WE COULD TALK TO, TO KAISER ABOUT IN THE SMALLEST HOPE THAT HE MIGHT CONVINCE SOME PEOPLE, BUT DON'T GO DOWN TOMORROW. YEAH. WELL HOW YOU GONNA GET THE, I CAN SEND AN EMAIL WHEN CORRECT. WE FINISH HERE IF THAT'S THE, AND, AND I CAN CONTACT, YOU KNOW, NICK PONDER, UM, WITH HIGHER GROUND WHO USED TO BE WITH THE LEAGUE, WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL, PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS AT THE LEAGUE THAT WE AGREED TO WITH THE LEAGUE OR, OR JUST AS LONG. BUT, SO I MEAN THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THERE. ONE WOULD BE A COMPLETE, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE, I, I IMAGINE THAT'D BE THE CITY'S PREFERENCE, BUT WE, THE CITY WOULD ALSO BE OKAY WITH THIS REQUIRING OWNER OCCUPIED, UM, ON THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW THE AD TO BE USED AS SHORT TERM RENTAL. SO I MEAN THAT, THAT'S YOUR BACKUP POSITION. COUNCIL. I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL BECAUSE QUESTION MAYOR, IT'S, IT'S OPPOSED THE BILL AS WE UNDERSTAND IT NOW, BUT OUR BACKUP POSITION IS TO SUPPORT IT IF IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE. MM-HMM. , I MEAN ANOTHER OPTION IS JUST TO BE, I MEAN, NEUTRAL ON IT. AT LEAST IF THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE US SOME FLEXIBILITY ON MAKING SURE THAT NOT ALL THE NEW ADUS JUST BECOME SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY. WELL I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO BE VERY, VERY USEFUL. SO I'LL LET YOU CONTINUE. IT'S JUST THAT I LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THIS. EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WAS IN THERE THAT PROTECTED US WAS TAKEN OUT ON PURPOSE. RIGHT. , WELL IT'S, IT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE TAKEN OUT TOMORROW, RIGHT? PART OF AMENDMENT. IT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN OUT YET. IT'S, YEAH, IT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROPOSING IT. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT IN THE REAL WORLD IT'S BEST TO DEAL WITH REALITY . OKAY, SO WHERE ARE WE AT? LET'S JUST MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE ON JUST, UH, AS A BACKUP PLAN TO GO BACK TO WHERE IT WAS. OTHERWISE WE VOTE NO. SO THE CITY'S OPPOSED TO THE THE BILL, UNLESS IT GOES BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY, WHICH I DOUBT THEY'RE GONNA DO, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY NO, THEY, THAT IS WHAT IT IS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE TO VOTE TOMORROW TO CHANGE IT. TO CHANGE IT. YEAH. I MEAN I, I MEAN I GET, I GATHER THAT THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL AT LEAST IS, WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF AN A DA LOCAL A DU ORDINANCE NOT DEFINED ALL. 'CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS LIKE COUNCILLOR ILLA SAID, UM, GRANTED THAT SOME TYPE OF RESTRICTION WAS, WAS DONE ON THE A DU. SO THEY COULDN'T JUST PROBABLY USE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, WHETHER IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED OR STRAIGHT PROHIBITION. BUT I DON'T SEE COUNSELOR DUNN. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION AROUND ADUS, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAD WAS THE FACT THAT AS PEOPLE ARE AGING IN PLACE, THEY'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN A DU ON PROPERTY WHERE THEY COULD HAVE A CAREGIVER LIVE AND PERHAPS A CAREGIVER WITH THEIR FAMILY, RIGHT. LIVE. UM, BUT OUR HESITANCY HAS ALWAYS BEEN AROUND THE FACT THAT YOU DO THAT AND WHAT PEOPLE DO IS CREATE AN SDR, RIGHT? OR THEY LIVE IN THE A A DU AND THEY CREATE AN STR OF THEIR, THEIR MAIN PROPERTY. SO WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT SCENARIO AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT SCENARIO WHERE WE WOULD SAY NOW THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE THAT AS PEOPLE ARE AGING IN PLACE, THEY COULD BUILD AN A DU, LET THEIR CAREGIVER AND THEIR FAMILY LIVE THERE AND NOT, NOT JUST TURN IT INTO AN STR. THIS IS REALLY LATE FOR ME. SO I HOPE THAT MADE SENSE. IT DOES MAKE SENSE. DO YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION? I THINK SO FROM THE MAJORITY COUNSEL AND, ALRIGHT, CAN I, CAN I REPEAT 'CAUSE I WANT TO SHOOT RIGHT HIM A MESSAGE BACK. SO IS IT THAT OBVIOUSLY WE OPPOSE THIS NEW VERSION AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, BUT THAT WE COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF 180 DU AND OWNER OCCUPANCY 180 DU 180 DU AND OWNER OCCUPANCY. IS THAT RIGHT? ON PREMISE? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. IN EITHER THE MAIN OR IN THE A DU UNIT, CORRECT? I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT. WHY? YEAH, I I SAY IT IN DETAIL. YEAH. I'M, I'M ASKING FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA AT ALL. IF IT, IF IT IS A STILL A POSSIBILITY OF IT BEING A SHORT TERM RENTAL, I'M NOT FOR IT BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE IT IN PLACE AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, OH, I'M, I'M LIVING IN THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEY, THEY GO TO CHICAGO, WELL JUST THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN TO GET IT DONE. BUT BY SAYING OWNER OCCUPANCY, I MEAN AS LONG AS WE ENFORCE OUR RULES, THEN THAT DOES CREATE A NET ADDITION OF HOUSING. OKAY, [06:40:02] GO LIVE IN CHICAGO. 'CAUSE THEN IT'S NOT OWNER OCCUPIED, BUT YEAH. BUT UNLESS WE GO IN AND UH, INSPECT IT, HOW DO YOU KNOW? WE'VE GOTTA BE WILLING TO DO THAT ANYWAYS IN, IN ENFORCING OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL. SO IT COULD BE PART OF THE ANNUAL PERMIT PROCESS FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL. OH, WE A UNANIM WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE WATER DOWN OUR POSITIONS IF WE, BY SUPPORTING IT EVEN UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WITHOUT THERE BEING A PROHIBITION ON STR I MEAN WE HAVE BEEN STEADFAST IN SAYING WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY FROM FURTHER PROLIFERATION OF STR THIS DOESN'T DO THAT. SO I MEAN, I THINK WE WATERED DOWN OUR OWN POSITION THAT WE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH. YEAH, WE WERE CONS WE HAD, YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH, TOTALLY RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOW FACED WITH A HORRIFIC SITUATION THAT'S ABOUT TO BE IMPOSED ON US AND TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING. BUT, BUT WE ALSO COULD ASSUME THAT THE GOVERNOR WOULD SURELY VETO THAT BILL. WE COULD ASSUME. I WOULD NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING. I ASSUME ANYTHING. ANYTHING YOU'D HOPE. BUT, BUT SHE'S WANTING TO GET SOME KIND OF, SHE'S WANTING TO SIGN SOME KIND OF HOUSING BILL. RIGHT. BUT AND HOW DO YOU KNOW AND SHE CAN'T CHANGE IT, RIGHT? SHE CAN LEAVE VETO, SHE CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES WHATSOEVER. OKAY. SO THERE'S NOTHING TO, IT'S EITHER SHE VETOES IT OR NOTHING. SO, SO WE DON'T SUPPORT 180 DU AND OWNER OCCUPANCY BECAUSE THAT WATERS DOWN OUR POSITION. I, THAT'S WHAT I WELL SOME PEOPLE DON'T. SOME PEOPLE DO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S UP AND THUMBS DOWN RIGHT NOW. WHO, WHO WANTS THE, UH, THE RESTRICTION, UH, ON A, ON UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS? I THINK THE ISSUE IS WHO SUPPORTS WHAT MELISSA SAID, WHICH IS ONE OWNER OCCUPIED AND ONE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT. THAT'S IT. WHICH IS WHAT I INTERPRET THE HIGHLIGHTED CORRECT WORDS TO MEAN. BUT IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL. CORRECT. ONE OF THE UNION, LIKE THE A DU COULD BECOME A SHORT TERM. WELL JUST ONE. ALRIGHT. UP OR DOWN. SO WHO SUPPORTS THAT? OKAY, WE'LL LIVE WITH THE RESULTS. OKAY. COUNSELOR LTZ. I DIDN'T SEE AND MELISSA I COULDN'T SEE. SO WE'RE OPPOSITE. FOUR THREE. SO FOURTH THREE. THREE. I HAVE A THUMB DOWN. SHORT TERM. NO, SHORT TERM. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WOULD YOU SUPPORT AN A DU ORDINANCE IF IT WERE ABLE TO BE COMPLETELY PROHIBITED FROM BEING SHORT TERM RENTALS? YES. NOTHING TO DO WITH R? YES. YES. OKAY. WELL WE CAN AT LEAST COME BACK WITH THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM F, DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS? ANYTHING? NOTHING. OKAY. MEETING [10. ADJOURNMENT] TOMORROW. MEETING'S ADJOURNED. THERE IS NO MEETING TOMORROW. THERE IS NO MEETING TOMORROW. I THINK THE AGENDA. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.