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I'D LIKE TO CALL[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL ]
THE, THIS MEETING TO ORDER.THIS IS CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THE TIME IS FOUR 30.
IF YOU'D ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
I PLEDGE ALLE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
ITEM NUMBER TWO.ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF, COMMISSIONERS.
ANYTHING FROM UP HERE? OKAY, CARRIE? UM, JUST A COUPLE UPDATES ON CITY COUNCIL.
THINGS OF THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN.
AND SO WE DO NOT HAVE A RESOLUTION ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT ONE YET.
WAS THAT TO A DATE CERTAIN? UM, THERE, THEY SAID WITHIN SIX MONTHS THEY GAVE THEM SIX MONTHS.
AND SO WE WILL NEED TO RE-NOTICE IT.
'CAUSE THERE WASN'T A SPECIFIC DATE, BUT YEAH.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.
UH, THE MARCH 19TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING.
IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OR CHANGES, THEY'LL STAND APPROVED.
CLOSE THAT ITEM AND GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
AND I WILL JUST RECHECK THE CARDS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYONE THAT SIGNED UP FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
SO I WILL CLOSE THAT ITEM AND, UM, MOVE ON TO AGENDA
[5.a. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Development Review (DEV) to allow for development of a 70-room hotel with amenities including a restaurant, spa, meeting space, and employee housing units (Oak Creek Heritage Lodge) at 65-195 Schnebly Hill Road; 20 Bear Wallow Lane . The property is within the Schnebly Community Focus Area, is ±11.58 acres, and is located west of Schnebly Hill Road between State Route 179 and Bear Wallow Lane. APN: 401-11-001C, -002F; 401-12-016C; 401-18-001A, -002C, -031B, D & G. The property is zoned OC (Oak Creek Heritage Area).]
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 70 ROOM HOTEL WITH AMENITIES INCLUDING RESTAURANT SPA, SPA MEETING SPACE, AND EMPLOYEE HOUSING UNITS.OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE AT 65 THROUGH 1 95 SCHLEY HILL ROAD 20 BARE WALLA LANE.
THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE SCHLEY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA.
IT IS 11.5 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES, AND IS LOCATED WEST OF HILL ROAD BETWEEN STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND BARE WALLA LANE PARCELS 4 0 1 DASH 11 0 0 1 C AND 0 0 2 F AND 4 0 1 DASH 12 0 1 16 C 4 0 1 18 0 0 1 A AND 0 0 2 C AND 0 3 1 B, D AND G.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OAK CREEK HERITAGE AREA.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 23 0 0 0 0 4 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THE OWNER APPLICANT IS ARTIE OLSON DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTED BY TONY EK, WHO'S PRESENT TONIGHT WITH HIS TEAM.
SO, UM, WE'LL LEAD OFF WITH CARRIE.
WE'LL JUST, UM, GO THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS.
THIS WILL BE, UM, AGAIN, AS ALWAYS, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL ALSO ASSUME THAT YOU'VE READ THROUGH THE PACKET FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
CARRIE, CAN WE COOL THIS ROOM DOWN? MORE
SO AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION FOR THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE, UM,
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LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SCH NIBLEY HILL ROAD.UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ALREADY OLSEN DEVELOPMENT AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE TEAM THAT THEY'RE BEING REPRESENTED BY.
UH, AND AS THE CHAIR STATED, THE APPLICATION IS FOR 70 LODGING UNITS AND ASSOCIATED AMENITIES, INCLUDING A RESTAURANT SPA MEETING SPACE, AND EMPLOYEE HOUSING.
UM, JUST TO START OFF WITH A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY USED TO BE ZONED RSS 10 AND, UH, WHICH ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, HOWEVER, IT IS PART OF THE SNUBBY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA.
THIS CFA WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2013 COMMUNITY PLAN AS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS IN NEED OF ADDITIONAL PLANNING.
THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THAT CFA PLAN HAPPENED BETWEEN 2016 AND 2017 WITH THIS TYPICAL CFA PROCESS WHERE WE GO TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS AND DO PUBLIC OUTREACH AND DETERMINE WHAT IS THE BEST PLAN FOR THAT AREA.
THAT PROCESS CONCLUDED WITH THE CFA PLAN BEING ADOPTED IN 2017, AND IT WAS AMENDED IN 2020.
UM, FOLLOWING THE ADOPTION OF THE SNUBBY CFA PLAN.
THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE ZONING DISTRICT WAS DEVELOPED AS AN IMPLEMENTATION TOOL FOR THAT ZONING FOR THAT CFA PLAN.
UM, IT TOOK THE, UM, THE EXPECTATIONS AND THE VISION OF THAT CFA PLAN AND CREATED A ZONING DISTRICT WITH SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2018 LEC UPDATE AS A NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THEN IN 2020, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES, INCLUDING THE ONES UNDER IN CONSIDERATION TONIGHT, THAT ALL WENT THROUGH AS A REZONING APPLICATION TO APPLY THAT NEW ZONING DISTRICT TO THAT PROPERTY.
SO, UM, SO THIS IS JUST A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION.
IT'S NOT, THE ZONING WAS ADDRESSED IN 2020.
UM, AND SO JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, IF IT, IF THIS PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT OC DISTRICT AND THE OC DISTRICT IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IN THAT IT REFERENCES THE SCH NIBLEY CFA PLAN, UM, THERE, BUT THERE IS NO REZONING APPLICATION UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.
AND THAT, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS AFTER THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED, THE PROPERTY OWNER SUBMITTED FOR A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW.
AND THAT IS WHERE WE, UM, TAKE THE PRO THE PROJECT THROUGH THE PROCESS, DO PUBLIC NOTICES AND ALL OF THAT TO TRY TO GET THAT INITIAL FEEDBACK SO THEY KNOW WHAT ISSUES THEY MAY BE UP AGAINST.
UM, THAT PROCESS WAS COMPLETED BETWEEN 2021 AND 2022.
THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT CONCEPTUAL REVIEW WORK SESSIONS, UM, IN DECEMBER OF 21 AND MARCH OF 22.
TAKING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER, THE, THEY DEVELOPED THEIR SUBMITTAL FURTHER COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW, AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO.
UM, WENT THROUGH SOME STAFF REVIEW AND SOME CHANGES THROUGH THAT.
UM, AND THEN WENT TO A WORK SESSION AND A SITE VISIT BACK IN NOVEMBER WITH THIS BODY AND THAT.
AND THEY TOOK, THE FEEDBACK THEY GOT FROM THAT MADE FURTHER CHANGES.
AND NOW WE ARE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, JUST TO REFERENCE THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT, YOU HAVE THEM HIGHLIGHTED HERE IF YOU CAN SEE THEM.
UM, HERE YOU HAVE SNUBBY HILL ROAD HERE WITH THE SNUBBY ROUNDABOUT HERE.
JUST IF YOU NEED SOME CONTEXT, THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN, UM, THIS IS THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
AND THIS, THIS SHOWS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
UM, THE BLUE LINE REPRESENTS THE LIMITS OF THE FLOODWAY, WHICH THE CFA PLAN DOES NOT ALLOW DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE FLOODWAY.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT LINE IS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE PINK LINE IS THE SETBACKS ON THE PROPERTY.
SO KINDA WHAT'S LEFT OVER IS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONCENTRATED.
AND SO IF WE ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, YOU HAVE SNUBBY HILL ROAD NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT IN THIS PLAN.
IT FITS BETTER ON THE PAGE THIS WAY.
UM, THE ENTRANCE IS LOCATED ALONG S CHAMBLEE HILL ROAD WITH, UM, THE LOBBY, THE SPA AND THE RESTAURANT IN THIS AREA HERE, THE MEETING ROOM AND BACK OF HOUSE BUILDING AND EMPLOYEE HOUSING UNITS IN THESE, IN THIS AREA WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS BEING THE LODGING UNITS.
UM, JUST TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS, UM, OF WHAT, AND THERE IS A SAMPLE BOARD RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME THAT WE CAN
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BRING UP FOR A CLOSER LOOK IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.UM, AND SO YOU, WE HAVE THE LOBBY, THE RESTAURANT, UM, THE SPA BUILDING.
AND THEN THIS IS, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE TWO STORY LODGING BUILDINGS.
AND THIS IS SOME OF THE ONE STORY LODGING BUILDINGS.
UM, AS STATED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE ARE 26 DIFFERENT BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY, AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THEM, WE CAN ANSWER THOSE, BUT I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THOSE IN DETAIL DURING THIS PRESENTATION.
SO AS YOU SEE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THE, UM, THIS PROJECT WAS REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE SNOBBY CFA PLAN AND THE OOC DISTRICT, WHICH GO HAND IN HAND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ALONG WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO ALL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
SO SAME THING, THERE'S JUST SOME EXTRA THINGS IN THERE FOR THE OC DISTRICT.
WE, UM, DID THAT EVALUATION FOR ALL APPLICABLE CODE SECTIONS.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO CODE SECTIONS REGARDING SIGNS.
AND, AND THAT'S IN ARTICLE SIX.
AND ARTICLE EIGHT IS JUST HOW THINGS GET APPROVED AND WHAT THE FINDINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE FOR APPROVAL.
AND AGAIN, THE THOSE DETAILS ARE IN YOUR PACKET AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY OF ANY OF THAT REVIEW.
UM, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE SNUBBY CFA PLAN, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG THING FOR THIS AREA.
THE VISION OF THAT PLAN IS THAT THE CFA IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HEART OF SEDONA, A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AREA FOCUSED ON OAK CREEK AND SEDONAS HERITAGE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT IS A MIX OF USES THAT PRESERVES THE OAK CRUDE CRITERION CORRIDOR WITH NATURAL HILLSIDES, OPEN FIELDS, AND A VARIETY OF MODESTLY SCALED BUILDINGS SUSTAINING THE DISTINCT CAR, HISTORIC CHARACTER AND CONTEXT.
AND FROM THAT VISION, THERE ARE, UM, GOALS AND FOR EACH OF ENVIRONMENT, LAND USE, COMMUNITY CIRCULATION.
AND THERE WAS A CFA CHECKLIST IN YOUR PACKET THAT KIND OF GOES INTO THE DETAILS AND HOW STAFF EVALUATED EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
UM, THE OC DISTRICT, AS I STATED EARLIER, WAS ADOPTED TO ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THE SNUBBY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CFA VISION FOR PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY MIXED USE AREA.
AND KIND OF JUST REPEATS THE VISION STATEMENT THERE.
THEY STATED EARLIER, UM, IN ADDITION TO HAVING AN OC DISTRICT, MULTIPLE SECTIONS OF THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HAD SECTIONS ADDED TO THEM OF WHAT THAT, WHAT SHOULD BE DONE IN THE OC DISTRICT.
UM, THERE IS A SUMMARY OF THOSE STANDARDS IN YOUR PACKET, AND WE PROVIDED OUR EVALUATION OF ALL OF THOSE AS WELL.
SO PUBLIC INPUT, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT.
THE APPLICANT COMPLETED THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIP PARTICIPATION PLAN, AND THEN THEY CAN SPEAK MORE TO ALL OF THE EFFORT THAT THEY WENT INTO FOR THAT.
UM, THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE AND WE COMPLETED ALL THE REQUIRED NOTICING.
UM, WE HAVE, UNLESS SOMETHING HAS COME IN SINCE FOUR O'CLOCK, WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED UP UNTIL ABOUT NOON TODAY.
THEY WERE UPDATED ON THE WEBSITE, BUT THEN THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED AFTERNOON, AFTERNOON, TODAY, WERE PROVIDED IS PRINTED COPIES FOR YOU AT THE MEETING.
UM, SO AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION, UM, BASED ON SATISFACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TOO, AND THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL THE, UH, APPLICANT MAKES ITS PRESENTATION BEFORE QUESTIONS.
MR. ROSA, AND BEFORE EACH OF YOU SPEAK, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND AFFILIATION.
I LIVE IN LADERA RANCH, CALIFORNIA WITH AUDI OLSEN, DEVELOPMENT AS VICE PRESIDENT OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
UH, BOB OLSEN, UH, RD OLSON COMPANIES AND LIVE IN, UH, ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR PROJECT TODAY TO YOU.
WE ARE WITH ARTIE OLSON DEVELOPMENT, THE APPLICANT
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AND OWNER.FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK CITY STAFF, CARRIE, CYNTHIA HANCO, STEVE, UH, THEIR TENACITY AND THEIR ATTENTION TO DETAIL HAS RESULTED IN A PROJECT THAT WE ARE VERY PROUD TO PRESENT TODAY.
AS CARRIE HAS MENTIONED, OUR SITE CONSISTS OF 11 AND A HALF ACRES, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT FOUR OVER FOUR ACRES ARE IN THIS PORTION TO THE NORTH THAT WILL BE PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE IN ADDITION TO A DEEP SETBACK ALONG SCHLEY HILL ROAD.
SO OUT OF THE 11 HALF ACRES, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
AND, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE OTHER LANDSCAPED AREAS THAT OCCUR OUTSIDE OF BUILDING FOOTPRINTS WITH THOSE LANDSCAPED AREAS, THIS SITE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 50% PERCEIVED AS OPEN AND LANDSCAPED.
WE ARE PROPOSING 70 LODGING UNITS, 70 HOTEL ROOMS THAT EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY SIX UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, OUR ZONE HAS A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE THAT IS ALLOWABLE.
OUR ANCILLARY FUNCTIONS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED ARE A RESTAURANT, A WELLNESS CENTER, AND A MEETING FACILITY.
AS A PUBLIC BENEFIT, WE'RE ALSO OFFERING FOR WORKFORCE APARTMENT UNITS.
THESE APARTMENT UNITS ARE NOT REQUIRED, HOWEVER, UH, FOR A PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND AS A NEED AND A REALITY OF DEVELOPING HERE IN SEDONA, UH, FOR OUR EMPLOYEES USE, UH, THEY, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SLEEP UP TO 10 EMPLOYEES DEPENDING ON THE BED STRUCTURE, WHETHER THEY'RE BUNKS OR, OR IF IT'S A FAMILY AND A COUPLE, UH, KING SIZE BED.
ONE, WE'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE ZONED FOR HOTEL USE.
THIS IS NOT AN APPLICATION FOR A REZONE.
WE HO WE HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS A HOTEL USE THAT IS ALLOWABLE.
AND THEN SECOND, UH, THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE ARE EXCEPTIONALLY PROUD OF.
AND AS A RESULT OF INCREDIBLE COLLABORATION WITH CITY STAFF, WITH P AND Z IN, IN THE FORM OF WORK SESSIONS AND WITH THE PUBLIC IN THE FORM OF OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE APPLICABLE CFA STRATEGY ITEMS IN THE CHECKLIST AND ALL OF THE SEDONA OAK CREEK DISTRICT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ITEMS. AS I MENTIONED, OUR OUTREACH PROGRAM HAS BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS.
WE'VE HAD THREE FORMAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH EVENTS AT OUR SITE, AND WE'VE ALSO HAD THREE FORMAL WORK SESSIONS WITH THE PNZ COMMISSIONERS.
UH, THAT FEEDBACK AND THAT INSIGHT LED US DOWN TO A PATH OF PRESENTING A PROJECT THAT IS IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CHECKLIST ITEMS OF THE CFA AND THE LDC.
MAJOR CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED ALONG THE WAY WAS ONE, FOCUSING THE MORE PUBLIC ORIENTED BUILDINGS TO BE AT THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE SITE RATHER THAN AT THE NORTH.
UH, OUR SITE IS A TRANSITIONAL SITE AT THE SOUTH.
WE HAVE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONING ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND AT THE NORTH WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO THIS TRANSITIONAL SITE LENT US AND THE FEEDBACK TO PUBLIC BUILDINGS IN THE SOUTH HALF AND RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF BUILDINGS AT THE NORTH HALF.
AND, AND OUR SINGLE STORY COTTAGES OCCUR AT THE, PREDOMINANTLY AT THE NORTH HALF OF THE PROPERTY.
DO YOU WANNA BACK, UH, NO, THIS IS FINE.
SO, UH, SPEAKING OF THE CFA, UH, MADE A SINCERE EFFORT TO INTEGRATE
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THE IMPORTANT STRATEGIC ELEMENTS OF THE CFA AND THAT SHOWS IN THE COMPLIANCE, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH OUR CHECKLIST THAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED, I'D LIKE OUR TEAM TO PRESENT, UH, AND WE'LL CALL UP WATG, OUR ARCHITECT TO WALK THROUGH THE SITE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, THEN FOLLOWED BY OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, AND OUR CONSULTING ARCHITECT.MY NAME IS GREG VIEGAS WITH WATG ARCHITECTS.
I'M HERE WITH MY ASSOCIATE, UH, ROB JURY, AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING, UH, THE NEXT, UH, HANDFUL OF SLIDES.
AND WE'LL TRY AND BE AS SUCCINCT AS, AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
UH, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE SITE, UH, IT'S JUST ANOTHER IMAGE, UH, BRIGHT VIEW OF IT.
UH, WE INCLUDED THIS ZONING, UH, MAP BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT, WHAT TONY WAS REFERRING TO RELATIVE TO NORTH BEING UP.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES TO OUR NORTH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL ZONES TO, TO THE WEST AND ACTUALLY TO THE SOUTH.
AND THIS WAS KEY ACTUALLY, WE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDES, THIS WAS ACTUALLY USED TO, UH, INFLUENCE THE SITE DESIGN AND THE CLUSTERING AND THE LOCATION AND SIZE OF MOST OF THE BUILDINGS.
WE ALSO DID A SURVEY OF SEVERAL OF, WE ACTUALLY, IT'S A LARGER SURVEY THAN THIS, BUT WE INCLUDED 14 OF SOME OF THE LARGER RESIDENCES TO THE RIGHT, WHICH IS NORTH, AS WELL AS ALL THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UH, ALONG TO OUR SOUTH AND AND EDGE OR EDGING OUR PROPERTY.
AND I THINK WHAT THE SURVEY WAS INTENDED TO SHOW IS THAT NOTHING'S OVER TWO STORIES.
THERE'S SEVERAL ONE STORY BUILDINGS, UH, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE, UH, RELATIVE TO AESTHETICS AND, AND WE HAVE A KIND OF AN APPROACH TO IT IN THE HERITAGE ZONE, BUT THIS IS REALLY MASS AND SCALE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
THIS SLIDE WAS PRESENTED TO KIND OF JUST VERY QUICKLY IDENTIFY SEVERAL, UH, ITEMS THAT INFLUENCED THE DESIGN.
SO THE BLUE DOTS ARE ROUGHLY OVER 50% OF THE ONE STORY BUILDINGS TONY REFERENCED.
THE HIGHEST PART OF OUR, UH, GRADING IS TO THE RIGHT THERE TO THE NORTH.
AND ALL OF THOSE BLUE DOTS ARE ONE STORY BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS THAT, THAT SINGLE RED DOT THAT YOU WILL SEE IN A, IN, IN A, IN A RENDERING HERE THAT ROB WILL REVIEW THE ROOF OF THAT RED DOT'S ACTUALLY EQUAL TO THE ROOF OF THE ONE STORY BUILDING.
AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE OUR GRADE IS SLOPING TOWARDS THE CREEK AND AWAY FROM SIBLEY HILL ROAD.
SO THAT'S A, A BIG REASON WHY ALL THE TWO STORIES ARE PUSHED EXCEPTION OF OUR ENTRY BUILDING, PUSHED AS CLOSE AS WE CAN DOWN THE SLOPE TOWARDS THE CREEK AND ALL OUR VIEWS FROM NORTH AND SOUTH SCH, NIBLEY, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ROOF AND THE BUILDINGS SIT LOWER INTO THAT LANDSCAPE.
SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE KEY, UH, INDICATORS OF, OF KIND OF HOW WE UTILIZE THE HEIGHT, HOW WE UTILIZE THE SITE, UH, TO CLEAR OUR, OUR BEST VIEWS OF THROUGH THE SITE.
AND THESE VIEWS WE HAD DONE, EXCUSE ME.
SOME OF THEM WERE, WERE SHOWN DURING THE WORK SESSION, BUT WE ADDED A FEW MORE.
THESE ARE MORE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE HAVE BEEN COGNIZANT ABOUT VIEW CORRIDORS.
THIS ONE'S FROM HIGHWAY 89 LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, AND YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE ROOFS PROPOSED OF THE NORTH CLUSTER JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THIS TREE RIGHT HERE.
THIS, THIS VIEW IS LOOKING UP, GOING UP ON SN HILL ROAD, AND YOU CAN SEE THE NORTH CLUSTER ONE STORY CABINS OR BUNGALOWS.
AND TO THE LEFT THERE IS THE TWO STORY RESIDENCE OR CABINS, HOSPITALITY.
THAT'S THE, THE ROOFS ARE, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE MIC OR SHARE IT?
I WAS JUST POINTING OUT THAT THE BUILDING TO THE FAR LEFT IS ACTUALLY, THAT WAS THE TWO STORY UNIT.
THOSE TWO UNITS TO THE RIGHT ARE SINGLE STORY, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE MAXIMIZING THE SLOPE, THE, THE ROOFS APPEAR THE SAME HEIGHT.
THIS VIEW IS FROM THE SAME LOCATION OR CLOSE TO IT JUST LOOKING SOUTH, RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF BARE WALLOW.
AND THEN THIS IS FURTHER DOWN LOOKING SOUTH OFF OF SCH NIBLEY HILL.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE SPA BUILDING IN THE DISTANCE AND THE NORTH CLUSTER BUILDING TO THE RIGHT.
AND THIS IS A, A CHARACTER AND INSPIRATION SLIDE THAT WE WANTED TO DISTINGUISH THE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL AESTHETICS FOR EACH CLUSTER.
AND THERE'S FOUR CLUSTERS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THE SOUTH CLUSTER, WHICH IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED AND INSPIRED FROM THE HEART
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PUMP HOUSE AND THE SCHLEY HOUSE.AND THIS, THIS HAS A, A RIVER ROCK MATERIAL CLADDING TO IT AND MORE GRAY, UH, GRAY COLORATION AND A, A STRONGER PALETTE OF STONE.
AND THEN THE CENTRAL CLUSTER IS BASED OFF OF HISTORIC MASONRY AND WOOD CONSTRUCTION.
THE SEDONA JORDAN, UH, PACKAGING HOUSE AND THE JORDAN SALES BUILDING WERE KEY INSPIRATIONS FOR THIS, THE CENTRAL CLUSTER.
I CAN I, UH, INTERRUPT AND ASK YOU IF YOU TAKE THAT MATERIAL BOARD AND WHEN YOU DISTINGUISH THE CLUSTERS AND THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF MATERIALS, COULD YOU POINT TO THOSE SURE.
OR HAVE SOMEONE HELP YOU
SO FOR THE SOUTH CLUSTER, IT WOULD BE THE GRAYS AND THE BLUES.
UH, AND THEN FOR THE CENTRAL CLUSTER, IT WOULD BE THE SEDONA RED STONES UP HERE.
AND THEN FOR THE WEST CLUSTER, IT WOULD BE A, A REDDER RIVER ROCK, SIMILAR TO THE, THE SOUTH CLUSTER, BUT IT WOULD HAVE A, A REDDER COLOR TO IT.
SO IT'S A, A HYBRID THAT'S CONNECTING THE SEDONA STONE FROM THE CENTRAL CLUSTER AND THE SOUTH STONE.
AND THEN THE NORTH WE WOULD INTRODUCE A, UM, IT'S A MORE OF A VOLCANIC ROCK STONE.
THAT'S, THAT'S INDIVIDUAL JUST FOR THE NORTH CLUSTER.
AND THAT'S THIS ONE RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN OTHER MATERIALS ON THIS BOARD WERE SHOWING WE WOULD DO RECLAIMED WOOD.
WE ALSO INTRODUCED, UH, POST THE WORK SESSION TO RE REUSE A LOT OF THE SAME MATERIALS THAT WAS THIS ALASKAN YELLOW CEDAR THAT'S ON THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT WE WOULD THEN IMPLEMENT INTO THE PROJECT AND BOARD AND BATTEN, AND THEN ASPHALT SHINGLE, AND THEN STANDING METAL SEAM.
AND THESE WOULD ALL BE IN THE LRV COLOR SPECTRUM THAT WERE, IT WAS THE, IT'S THE LOWER NUMBERS THAT ARE, BUT IT'S 15 OR BELOW, I BELIEVE.
THIS IS A RENDERING THAT WE'VE SHOWN PREVIOUSLY OF THE, OF THE ENTRANCE LOBBY BUILDING.
AND YOU COULD SEE THAT IT'S CLAD IN, IN A RED SEDONA STONE THAT WOULD BE LOCALLY SOURCED WITH STANDING STANDING METAL SEAM.
AND IT'S, IT'S MAIN INSPIRATION IS THAT IT'S A, IT'S A, NOT NECESSARILY SMALL BUILDING, BUT COMPACT, COMPACT BUILDING THAT HEARKENS BACK TO A, A BARN TYPE ARCHITECTURE, AGRICULTURAL, YOU KNOW, COLD ROLLED STEEL.
AND IT, IT IS THE BUILDING THAT HAS THE MOST GLASS, BUT IT IS THE ENTRANCE AND THE, THE MAIN FOCAL POINT FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THE, THE REASONING FOR THE GLASS IS TO REALLY MAKE YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPE INSTEAD OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO YOUR, YOUR EYE AND YOUR EXPERIENCE GOES THROUGH THE PROJECT AND, UM, DOESN'T JUST, ISN'T STATIONARY ON THE PROJECT ITSELF OR THE PRO THE BUILDING, THIS IS TECHNICALLY PART OF THE SOUTH CLUSTER.
SO IT'S, IT'S CLAD IN THE, THE RIVER ROCK STONE IN THE GRAY COLORS.
AND IT IS LIKE THE CENTRAL CLUSTER TRYING TO PAY MORE HOMAGE TO THE PUBLIC SPACE IN THE OPEN, OPEN SPACE.
THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING OVER THE BRIDGE OF THE CREEK GOING INTO THE, UM, THE MEETING SPACE.
AND THEN THIS VIEW IS OF THE GUEST ROOMS. UH, WE TRY TO IMPLEMENT A STRONG CONNECTION FOR THE SITE.
SO WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE PORCHES THAT AS YOU WALK THROUGH THE SITE AND OR BIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE AN EXPERIENCE OF BEING OUT ON THOSE PORCHES AND BEING ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THE PEOPLE GOING BY.
AND THEN THIS, THIS IS A NEW RENDERING OF HOW WE WOULD REPURPOSE THE, THE REMNANTS OF, OF THE COTTAGE THAT'S ON THE SITE CURRENTLY, AND PLACE THEM ON THIS, THIS ENTRANCE BUILDING THAT THEN WE WOULD CREATE A SMALL HISTORICAL GALLERY ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND IT WOULD BE CLAD IN THE ALASKAN CEDAR SIDING.
AND IT WOULD, IT, WE WOULD REDO THE ROOF.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A GREEN ASPHALT SHINGLE, BUT WE'D MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT MATCHED THE EXISTING CHARACTER.
UM, I'M ERIC BROWN, AND I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT
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ABOUT THE, UH, HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT, UH, ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS PROPERTY.AND HAVE I HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, UM, BY THE HISTORIC, UM, UH, INTER, UH, RESEARCH.
AND SO, UH, THE RED DOTS UP THERE ARE SHOWING THE, UH, HISTORIC PARTS.
AND SO THERE'S THE IRRIGATION CHANNEL THAT'S ALONG SCH NIBLEY HILL ROAD, UM, THE, UH, TWO WELL HOUSES THAT ARE THOSE LITTLE STONE STRUCTURES.
AND THEN THE, UH, PORTION OF THE EXISTING COTTAGE AT, AT 95 SN HILL ROAD.
THAT'S THE RED, UH, BUILDING IN THE CENTER.
UM, THE, UH, HISTORIC DITCH, UH, IS, PARTS OF IT ARE, ARE VERY INTACT.
PARTS OF IT ARE, ARE PIPES THAT GO OVER THE WASH.
PARTS OF IT ARE, UH, VERY HARD TO FIND, BUT WHAT WE'LL DO IS TO RECREATE THE LITTLE DIFFERENT PORTIONS.
AND THEN AT THE VERY NORTH END, THAT'S GONNA BE INTEGRATED INTO THE WALKWAY, THE TRAIL THAT RUNS ALONG SNE HILL ROAD AND WILL BE RIGHT ALONGSIDE.
SO IT'LL BE KIND OF A, A NEAT WATER FEATURE FOR, UH, EVERYONE THAT USES THAT TRAIL.
SO HERE'S THE, UH, PORTION OF THE DITCH THAT'S, UM, AT THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS AWAY FROM, UH, THE STREET AND THE, UH, TRAIL.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE TWO WELLHOUSE, THE NORTHERN WELLHOUSE AND THE SOUTHERN WELLHOUSE.
THIS, UH, DEMONSTRATES HOW THESE WELL HOUSES WILL BE INTEGRATED INTO THE, UH, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE VERY, UH, SOUTHERN WELLHOUSE.
THE PATHWAY THAT RUNS THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROJECT, UM, ENDS AT THAT LAST, UH, COTTAGE OF THE LAST, UH, HOSPITALITY ROOM.
AND THERE WILL BE A DISPLAY TELLING YOU ABOUT THE, THE WELLHOUSE THERE.
AND THEN THE NORTH ONE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND A SIMILAR KIND OF FEATURE THERE.
THAT'S ALONGSIDE THE, UH, THE PATH THAT TAKES YOU TO THE, UH, TRAIL ALONG THE CREEK.
AND THEN THERE'S THE, UH, 95, UH, SCHLEY HILL ROAD COTTAGE.
AND THE, THESE TWO, UH, PHOTOS HERE, WELL, THESE THREE ARE OF, UH, THE CURRENT SITUATION, THESE TWO.
AND THEN THIS THIRD IS, UH, MIL AUNT MILDRED IN FRONT OF THE COTTAGE, TAKEN ABOUT 1970.
AND, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S BEEN, UH, RESTORED WITH OR REPURPOSED, RENOVATED, UH, ADDED ON SUCH THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WOOD IS NEW.
SO THE PORTION AND THE FRONT PORTION OF THIS BUILDING, UH, THAT IS IDENTIFIABLE IS WHAT IS THEN BROUGHT INTO THE, UH, THE ENTRANCE DRIVE.
AND THIS IS JUST OPPOSITE OR JUST ALONGSIDE THE LOBBY.
SO AS YOU COME DOWN THE ENTRANCE DRIVE HERE ON THE RIGHT, UM, YOU'LL BE LOOKING RIGHT AT THIS BUILDING AND, UM, PASS BY IT, EITHER BY WALKING OR DRIVING, COMING TO THE LOBBY.
WHAT'S ALSO NEAT ABOUT THIS IS THEN ON THE PUBLIC SIDE OF, OF THIS BUILDING IS THE, UH, UH, HISTORIC DISPLAY THAT'LL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, AND THE PATRONS, UM, THAT'LL SHOW THE LOCAL HISTORY OF, OF THIS BUILDING, OF THIS PROPERTY AND OF THIS PART OF SEDONA.
AND THE FOURTH, THE FOURTH PICTURE, ERIC, YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS THE FOURTH PICTURE ON THAT SLIDE.
THE ONE IN THE, UH, BOTTOM LEFT.
UH, THE BOTTOM LEFT, OH, THAT'S THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING OF THE, OF THE LITTLE COTTAGE THERE.
AND, UM, INTERESTING THAT, THAT'S TAKEN AT EYE LEVEL AND YOU'RE ALMOST HITTING YOUR HEAD ON THE EVE.
UM, BUT IT KIND OF DEMONSTRATES THE, UH, THE WAY THAT THAT BUILDING IS COBBLED TOGETHER.
AND I'M THINKING IT HAS USED, UH, REMNANT WINDOWS ITSELF, UM, AS IT WAS ADDED ON TO, UM, WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE LIKE AN APPLE SHED OR SOMETHING THAT WAS USED, UM, BACK HISTORICALLY.
MY NAME IS SANDEEP FLIA AND I'M A, I'M THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT, AND I'M WITH BRIGHTVIEW DESIGN GROUP.
WE ARE LOCATED IN IRVINE, CALIFORNIA AS WELL.
AND, UM, I WILL BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PLANTING DESIGN.
AND BASICALLY, UM, WE STARTED OUR PROCESS BY REALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT THE EXISTING TREES ON THE
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SITE.AND TREE PRESERVATION WAS A BIG GOAL AS WE STARTED WORKING ON THE, ON THE OUTDOOR SPACES AROUND THE BUILDINGS.
SO, UM, I MEAN, WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THE SITE PLAN WHERE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY TREE THAT'S THERE IS KIND OF PRESERVED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WALKING, UH, CHANGING ALIGNMENT OF THE WALKWAYS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO IT WAS A LOT OF WORK, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KIND OF GIVE IMPORTANCE TO EVERY SINGLE TREE THAT'S OUT THERE ON THE SITE.
SO IN GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE 53% OF THE TREES IN PLACE ON SITE.
AND OF THE ONES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED, WE ARE TRANSPLANTING 17 OF THEM IN THE PROMINENT PARTS OF THE SITE BECAUSE WE DO, WE DO REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT'S FOR US TO KEEP THE SITE LOOKING NATURALIZED, UM, YOU KNOW, IN ITS CURRENT STATE.
UM, THIS SLIDE ALSO KIND OF SHOWS ALL THE, UM, LAND DEVELOPMENT GOLD REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MEET IN TERMS OF, UH, PERCENTAGE OF NATIVE PLANTS.
SO THAT WAS OUR NEXT GOAL IS, UM, TO MAXIMIZE, UH, USE OF NATIVE, NATIVE PLANTS ON THE SITE.
SO OUR REQUIREMENT IS 75%, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GO TO 87% IN UTILIZING, UM, NATIVE PLANTS, UM, NATIVE TO THE SITE, NA NATIVE, WELL, UM, NATIVE TO THE AREA, WHICH KIND OF GOES BACK TO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE DREAM MANUAL, UH, FROM THE CITY.
AND, UM, BECAUSE THIS SITE IS SO SPEC, IT'S SO UNIQUE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, INDIVIDUAL SMALLER, UM, I WOULD SAY SYSTEMS THAT ARE OCCURRING.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE KIND OF DID A JUXTAPOSITION OF THREE DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES.
SO WE STARTED WITH OBVIOUSLY THE RIPARIAN TYPOLOGY, WHICH SITS RIGHT NEXT TO OAK CREEK.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO HAVE THE NON RIPARIAN TRANSITIONAL TYPOLOGY, WHICH IS, AS YOU MOVE AWAY AWAY FROM THE, UH, OAK CREEK, YOU KIND OF START TO SEEING THE PALETTE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, LESS GREEN AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE HIGH, HIGH DESERT SIDE.
BUT THEN ON THE THIRD OVERLAY THAT WE DID ON THAT IN CONSULTATION WITH, UM, UH, MAX LECHER, AND HE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LOOKED OVER OUR PLANTING PALLETS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE SITE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GROWING OUT THERE, WHAT'S HISTORICALLY GROWN IN THAT AREA? MM-HMM,
SO THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO.
AND SO WE CREATED AN A HERITAGE AGRICULTURE OVERLAY ON TOP OF THESE TWO, UH, EXISTING OVERLAYS.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO, UH, REALLY CELEBRATE THE HISTORIC REMNANTS ON THE SITE, YOU KNOW, THE IRRIGATION CHANNELS, THE WELLS, UH, THE NEW, UH, HERITAGE GALLERY THAT WE ARE ALSO ADDING AS PART OF THE, THE BUILDINGS.
SO, UM, WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IS THAT, UM, AS USERS, RESIDENTS AS, UH, GUESTS WHO COME TO THE SITE, THEY LEAVE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THE SITE WITH THEM IN TERMS OF LIKE JUST SEEING THESE THREE DIFFERENT LAYERS COME TOGETHER AND SEEING HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONALLY WE SORT OF CURATE THE EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE SITE.
UM, AND, UM, WE ARE PRESERVING 49% OF THE SITE AS OPEN SPACE AND ONLY 1.5%, UM, IS BEING, UH, PROVIDED AS LAWN AREA WHILE WE ARE, UH, ALLOWED FOR A 10% IN THERE.
AND WE ARE ALSO IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE PARKING LOT REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO, UM, MEET.
UM, SO THE NEXT THREE, UH, SLIDES KIND OF QUICKLY SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENT, UM, PLAN PALLETS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST ONE IS THE RIP, WHERE YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE MORE LUSHNESS, A LITTLE MORE, MORE GREEN JUST BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE SOURCE OF WATER BEING SO CLOSE TO THE PLANT MATERIAL.
AND THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, THE NON RIPPER TRANSITIONAL.
SO THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM OAK CREEK, SO WE START TO SEE A LITTLE BIT, UM, SORT OF LIKE THE DRY LOOK THAT'S COMING INTO THE PLANT MATERIAL.
AND THEN AS WE GO INTO THE HERITAGE AGRICULTURE, YOU KIND OF START TO SEE THE, THE ORCHARDS AND SORT OF THE GROUND PLANE PLANTING THAT BRING IN A LOT OF SPLASH OF COLOR.
AND WE ALSO KIND OF GET TO SEE THAT SEASONALITY THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE YEAR.
UM, THE NEXT, UH, UM, UH, CFA OBJECTIVE I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE NETWORK.
SO THIS IS A, UH, CFA MAP THAT WAS TAKEN, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITY DOCUMENTS AND IT KIND OF SHOWS, UH, WHERE OUR SITE SITS AND CONCEPTUALLY THE LAYOUT OF THE BROADER, UM, CIRCULATION SYSTEM THAT OCCURS IN THE VICINITY OF THE SITE.
AND THE INTENT FOR US, OBVIOUSLY IN DOING THAT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING SAFE AND CONVENIENT ACCESS TO UPTOWN AS WELL AS THE, UH, TRAIL SYSTEM.
AND, UM, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN AS WE ZOOM INTO THE SITE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT WE HAVE THE PUBLIC TRAIL THAT'S RUNS ALONG SCHLEY HILL ROAD AND, UM, YOU SEE THE WIDTH OF THE, UH, TRAIL CHANGING.
AND, UH, OUR SOLE PURPOSE IN DOING THAT WAS TO MAXIMIZE PRESERVATION OF TREES WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE
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THAT AS PEOPLE DRIVE ON SCH NELI HILL ROAD, UM, THE, WHAT THEY SEE TODAY IS GOING TO KIND OF STAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.AFTER THE PROJECT IS BUILT, WE ALSO HAVE A TRAIL THAT SORT OF CONNECTS, UH, ALONG, UM, UH, UM, SORRY, I FORGET.
BARE WALL, AIR WALL, BARE WALLER LANE.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A 12 FOOT EASEMENT THAT'S ON THE WESTERN PART OF THIS SITE FOR A FUTURE CONNECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE BROADER, UH, CONNECTIVE SYSTEM.
UM, HERE WE KIND ZOOM INTO THE FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TODAY FOR THE TRAIL THAT RUNS ALONG SH HILL.
UH, THE ONE ON THE TOP IS WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED WHERE, UH, THE TRAIL IS, UM, THE DARKEST COLOR IS 10 FEET WIDE.
UM, THE ORANGE COLOR IS EIGHT FEET, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO SIX FEET, UM, KIND OF CLOSER IN HERE AGAIN TO PRESERVE THE ONE, YOU KNOW, THE TREE THAT'S RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE, UH, PROJECT.
AND THEN, UM, TWO, FOUR FOOT SECTIONS HERE, WHICH BASICALLY CIRCLE AROUND AN EXISTING TREE AGAIN TO PRESERVE THAT IN PLACE.
THE SECOND OPTION IS A 10 FOOT IN ENTIRETY WITH TWO SECTIONS IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH WOULD BE FIVE FEET IN WIDTH.
THE THIRD OPTION IS, UM, THE, THE TRADE ALIGNMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED WITHIN THE CITY DOCUMENTS THAT WE BASICALLY OVERLAID ON THE SITE PLAN TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT PARTICULAR ALIGNMENT IS.
AND THE FOURTH IS IF WE WERE TO HAVE A WIDER, UM, KIND OF, UM, ROAD, UH, WIDTH AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT AS WE GO FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, THE NUMBER OF IMPACTED TREES ARE CONTINUING TO INCREASE THE IMPACT ON THE IRRIGATION CHANNEL.
YOU KNOW, IT, THERE IS NONE ON ON OUR OPTION, YOU KNOW, OPTION ONE, BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT SCHEMES, YOU CAN KIND OF START TO SEE THAT THERE IS SOME IMPACT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, UH, WITH, WITH THOSE, UH, OPTIONS.
UM, TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND, UM, AS WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THAT WE ARE PRESERVING THE IRRIGATION CHANNELS AS WELL AS THE WELLS ON SITE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA CELEBRATE THAT.
WE WANNA HAVE SIGNAGE THAT TELLS A STORY ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT THE HISTORY OF THOSE COMPONENTS HAS BEEN.
SO AGAIN, WE, WE WANT, UH, PEOPLE TO LEAVE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY AND A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, APPRECIATION FOR THE SITE ITSELF AND YOU KNOW, WHAT HISTORICALLY THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS WAS.
AND, UM, WE WILL ALSO BE, UM, I MEAN, COMING INTO THE CHAMBERS HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU JUST CAN'T MISS THE ART ASPECT THAT'S HERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS HERE, IS THAT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PUBLIC ART COMPONENTS THAT ARE INTEGRATED WITHIN THE PROJECT.
AND, UH, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, CELEBRATING THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF THE CITY AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, UH, INVITING LOCAL ARTISTS TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND, UH, THE LAST ONE, THIS PARTICULAR ONE TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION, FLOODPLAIN AND VIEWSHED PRESERVATION.
SO THE THREE COLORS THAT YOU SEE ON SITE, THE DARK GREEN KIND OF ILLUSTRATES HOW WE ARE PRESERVING, UM, OPEN SPACE.
WE HAVE, UH, SORT OF THIS MEANDERING SET BAG THAT'S A ALONG SCHEV HILL ROAD, AND IT CONNECTS THROUGH THE EXISTING WASH WITH THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH WE ARE PRESERVING AN ENTIRETY WITH SOME VERY MINOR WALKWAYS THAT BASICALLY WOULD ALLOW, UH, USERS TO BE ABLE TO EXPLORE THAT PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH IS, UH, BASICALLY BE BEING PRESERVED.
AND TO BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, UM, STARGAZING AND ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES, WHICH REALLY REPRESENTS SEDONA.
I THINK THAT'S THE PORTION OF THE SITE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THAT.
THE LIGHT GREEN IS WHAT SHOWS, UM, THE VIEW SHED, UM, PRESERVATION PORTION.
SO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN HERE IS THAT AS YOU'RE, UM, WALKING UP OR DRIVING DOWN SCHLEY HILL, THAT THERE ARE THESE LONG VIEW SHEDS THAT WE ARE PRESERVING IN PLACE, AND ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PERMEATE THROUGH THE SITE ALL THE WAY UP TO OAK CREEK.
SO SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE EXISTING TODAY ARE MAINTAINED, UM, EVEN WITH THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, AND YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S IT.
I MEAN, AGAIN, WE ARE PRESERVING 49% AS OPEN SPACE, AND THAT'S, UH, KIND OF LIKE A, UM, THE LAST DATA POINT ON THIS SHEET.
WITH THAT, I'LL PASS IT ON TO THANK YOU LUKE SEFTON.
I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS SITE, UM, ON THE DRAINAGE.
UM, NORMALLY ON A COMMERCIAL SITE LIKE THIS, WE USUALLY LOOK AT THE WHOLE SITE AND I DETERMINE WHAT THE FIRST FLUSH AND WHAT THE DETENTION PONDS ARE.
BUT ON THIS SITE TO THE ASSISTANT OF TONY, UM, WE WORKED WELL WITH SANDEEP'S TEAM TO DIVIDE THIS INTO EACH CLUSTER IS ITS OWN DRAINAGE BASIN IN THE PARKING LOT SO THAT WE COULD SETTLE THE WATER IN DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, WITHIN THE PLANTS OR WITHIN RAIN CATCHMENTS.
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TREE WELL AREAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.SO WE REALLY GOT DOWN TO LIKE WHERE EVERY DROP IS GOING ON THIS SITE IN DETAIL.
SO, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NOT ONLY PROCESS IT, BUT WE CONTAIN IT ON SITE.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE, WE'RE WE'RE REDUCING THE FLOWS BY, WELL, I MEAN, IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE AT 90% AND THEY WANT ME TO GO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, SO WE WILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT WE'RE TREATING ALL THE WATER, UM, THE FOUR INCH WATER LINE ALONG S NEBBY HILL ROAD THAT WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
UM, IT'LL HAVE TO BE AN EIGHT INCH.
UM, AND THAT'S A GREAT DEAL BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE FIRE FLOW UP, UP SN HILL TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES TOO.
IT'LL MAKE THE PRESSURE IN THERE A LOT BETTER.
UM, AND THEN THE SEWER SYSTEM WE WORKED, UM, TO GET IT TO ALL GRAVITY, MOST OF IT GRAVITYS, UH, TO SY HILL ROAD.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING GOING BACK TO THE, THE CITY'S, UH, LIFT STATION IN THE BACK OR HAVING TO DO ANYTHING THERE.
SO WE GOT MOST OF IT TO GRAVITY.
THERE ARE A COUPLE AREAS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SMALL PUMPS ON.
UM, AND THEN THIS PROPERTY, WHEN I DO ALL THE PLANNING PROFILES, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THEM, THE, THE EXISTING LINE AND THE PROPOSED LINE ARE ALMOST OVER EACH OTHER, AND THAT'S JUST THE SOFTWARE.
BUT BASICALLY WE'RE RIGHT AT GRADE ON A LOT OF THE STUFF.
BUT YOU KNOW HOW THE SOFTWARE WORKS, IT ALWAYS WANTS TO PUT LINES EVERYWHERE, BUT THEY'RE, ANYWAYS.
UM, I WANTED TO UTILIZE THE COUPLE FEW SLIDES HERE THAT, UH, REALLY, UH, ARTICULATE HOW IMPORTANT, UH, SUSTAINABILITY WAS TO THE DESIGN TEAM, TO THE OWNER AND TO THIS PROJECT.
SO OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE YOUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ON THE LEFT, AND THE ITEMS INDICATED TO THE RIGHT ARE THE OWNER'S COMMITMENTS, UH, TO THIS PROJECT TO LEAD CERTIFY THREE OF OUR MAIN PUBLIC BUILDINGS TO GO THROUGH COCONINO COUNTY, UH, BRONZE LEVEL CERTIFICATION AND ALSO THE VERDE VALLEY REGIONAL, UH, ECONOMIC ORGANIZATION BRONZE LEVEL.
UH, SO THOSE ARE DEFINITE COMMITMENTS.
UH, THE TEAM, UH, EVEN AUTHORIZED A WATER, UH, CONSERVATION AND SUSTAINABILITY STUDY THAT WAS IN OUR, UH, ORIGINAL SUBMISSION, UH, WHERE WE REALLY DIALED IN THE WATER USE AND WHERE WE CAN SAVE ON WATER, UM, AND, UH, AND HOW THE TEAM WANTS TO UTILIZE AND GO BEYOND CODE IN TERMS OF EFFICIENCY.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE LOOKED AT THE SNUBBY, UH, COMMUNITY FOCUS PLAN, THE, UH, KEEP SEDONA BEAUTIFUL AS WELL AS, UH, A PS AND WORKING WITH THEM.
SO MOST OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE'VE LISTED HERE, WE, WE APPRECIATE, UH, BRYCE BECK'S, UH, UH, ENCOURAGEMENT.
UH, WE MET WITH HIM ON TWO OCCASIONS AND VALUED THAT TIME TOGETHER.
UM, THE PLANS ARE DESIGNED NOT ONLY WITH JUST PASSIVE SOLAR DESIGN, WHICH IS JUST GOOD DESIGN FOR SHADING AND ORIENTATION AND WIND AND MATERIALS, BUT WE ARE, THE PLANS DO INDICATE, UH, MULTIPLE LOCATIONS FOR ROOFTOP, UH, PHOTOVOLTAIC SOLAR PANELS AND, UH, AS A RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCE.
UH, THE LIGHTING, OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EFFICIENT LIGHTING WILL BE PUT IN IN TERMS OF, UH, SITE LIGHTING AS WELL, AND DIMMING SYSTEMS AND, UH, ELEMENTS TO REDUCE THE NIGHT SKY POLLUTION, ENERGY STAR CERTIFIED EQUIPMENT UP AND DOWN FOR EVERYTHING.
AND THEN, UM, ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS WAS IF, UH, VRF, WHICH IS THIS VARIABLE REFRIGERANT FLOW TYPE SYSTEMS, THEY'RE ELECTRIC SYSTEMS AND THEY'RE REFRIGERANT SYSTEMS. SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO USE CHILLERS AND BOILERS AND, AND USE THAT TYPE OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL PLANT TYPE STUFF TO HEAT AND COOL OUR BUILDING.
SO WHAT THIS IS DONE VERY EFFICIENTLY THROUGH THESE VRF SYSTEMS, UH, WATER CONSERVATION, SUPER IMPORTANT, ALL LOW FLOW FIXTURES BEING GOING BEYOND CODE.
UH, WE WANT TO PLACE STRATEGIC WATER FOR FILLING STATIONS FOR OUR GUESTS.
THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS USE, UTILIZING RAIN SENSORS AND SMART METERING.
UH, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO, TO REDUCE WATER CONS, UH, WATER USE, UH, NATURAL SYSTEMS. WE ARE HARVESTING RAINWATER COLLECTION.
WE HAVE FOUR LARGE, UH, COLLECTION TANKS AND THAT WILL BE USED TO COLLECT WATER WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE AND USE IT, UH, ON THE LANDSCAPE.
UM, AND THEN EVEN GOING TO SOME REALLY, UH, CUTTING EDGE, UM, UH, DEVICES NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, TO HEAT WATER, UH, TO UTILIZE HEAT PUMPS AND THEN UTILIZE THE SOLAR POWER TO, TO RUN THAT ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING AT, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, AS
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WELL AS MATERIAL CONSUMPTION AND TRASH AND, AND HAVING OUR GUESTS INFORMED, UH, THROUGH EMAILS AND PROGRAMS AND MAKING THEM A PART OF THE, OF THE PROJECT AND A PART OF THEIR EXPERIENCE TO, TO REALLY CONSERVE AND, AND, UM, PROMOTE THE LAND.UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER RIGHT NOW TO THEIR TRAFFIC PERSON.
BRIAN MAKOWSKI WITH KIMLEY HORN TRAFFIC ENGINEER OUT OF PHOENIX.
UM, SO WE COMPLETED THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THE INTENTION OF THE TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS REALLY TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THE SITE BY PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE MODES AND, UM, AND TRAVEL OPTIONS FOR BOTH THE GUESTS AS WELL AS THE EMPLOYEE.
SO A LIST OF, OF SEVERAL OF THESE HERE, SUCH AS INCENTIVE PROGRAMS FOR CARPOOL, VAN POOL AND TRANSIT USE, MARKETING AND PROMOTING COMMUTER PROGRAMS. WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG SEV HILL ROAD, AGAIN, ALLOWING THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF ALTERNATIVE TRAVEL MODE SO THAT, UM, EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS GUESTS CAN, CAN ENJOY THOSE, THOSE AND USE OF THOSE FACILITIES.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THE ON DEMAND MICRO TRANSIT, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE PROVIDING ELECTRIC SHUTTLE VAN, UH, TO FACILITATE GUEST MOVEMENTS.
WE DID DO THE, UH, A TRAFFIC STUDY AS WELL WITH, WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL THESE TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES AND ANTICIPATE 52 PEAK HOUR TRIPS, UH, DURING THE PEAK HOUR, UH, WHICH WOULD BE SATURDAY MIDDAY.
UM, THAT'S LESS THAN A TRIP IN EACH DIRECTION EVERY TWO MINUTES, UH, ALONG S HILL ROAD.
SO EVALUATE THAT WITHIN THE OVERALL TRA UH, TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
WE ARE PROVIDING, UM, ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ALONG SNE HILL ROAD, UH, TO WIDEN THAT TO 26 FEET.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CITY'S MAKING SOME PRETTY CRITICAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT UNDERSTAND THERE IS, UH, TRAFFIC ALONG 1 79, BUT A LOT IS GENERATED FROM OFF THE SITE.
THE IMPACTS ARE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT GRADE, AND THE CITY IS, IS CURRENTLY IMPLEMENTING A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING IN ORDER TO ALLEVIATE THE IMPACTS OF, OF THAT, AS WELL AS PROVIDING AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE UP TO UPTOWN.
AND THAT'S CURRENTLY IN DESIGN, UM, WHICH WILL, UH, GREATLY ALLEVIATE, UH, TRAFFIC IN THE FUTURE ALONG 1 79.
SO WE'D LIKE TO CONCLUDE OUR PRESENTATION WITH A COMPARISON OF OUR PROPOSED PROJECT WITH THE VISION OF THE CFA.
UH, THIS PAGE IS, UH, DIRECTLY VERBATIM OUT OF THE CFA AND ON THE LEFT WE SEE A DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO, WHICH SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE AVOIDED, AND THAT'S JUST SUBURBAN SPRAWL HOUSING.
ON THE RIGHT WE SEE A SCENARIO OF THE CFA'S VISION.
UH, SO THIS IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL REGULATIONS AND RULES AND RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE CFA TO ACHIEVE A PROJECT SIMILAR TO SCENARIO TWO.
SO NOW ON THE LEFT IS CFA, SCENARIO TWO, THE CFA VISION FOR A POTENTIAL PROJECT.
AT THIS SITE, WE'VE OVERLAID THE OUTLINE OF OUR SITE, THE RED BOUNDARY ON THIS EXHIBIT, UH, FOR BETTER REFERENCE.
AND ON THE RIGHT, WHAT YOU SEE IS OUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
UH, THE MAIN TAKEAWAYS ARE VISUALLY OUR PROJECT CLUSTERS MORE EFFECTIVELY, UH, VISUALLY, OUR PROJECT HAS MORE OPEN SPACE, AND IN FACT, THE DATA ALSO SHOWS THAT THE PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE IS GREATER WITH OUR PROPOSED PROJECT AS COMPARED TO THIS VISION SITE PLAN.
IN ADDITION, UH, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, THE AREA OF BUILDING COVERAGE IS LESS ON OUR PROPOSED PROJECT AS COMPARED TO THE CFA'S VISION.
SO BUILDING SIZE, SCALE FOOTPRINT, SITE OPEN SPACE IS LESS AND MORE FAVORABLE ON OUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
THE CFA SCENARIO TWO EQUATES TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.
SO WE, AGAIN, CIRCLING BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION,
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THANKING CARRIE, CYNTHIA, HANUKAH AND STEVE FOR A VERY EFFECTIVE PROCESS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT HAS RESULTED IN THIS PROJECT.THANK YOU FOR, UH, EACH OF THE TEAM MEMBERS THAT PROVIDED THEIR SUBJECT AREA EXPERTISE.
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
I'LL TRY TO LEAVE A FEW COMMENTS FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
UM, WHERE DO I START? UM, MY FOCUS IS ALWAYS A LITTLE MORE ENGINEERING RELATED, SO I'M PROBABLY GONNA BEND LUKE'S EAR A LITTLE BIT.
UH, SO I, I, I GUESS, UH, I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE HOW THE SITE IS REALLY GONNA BE BUILT.
UM, I LOOKED DOWN THE STREET AT NAVAJO OFFICE WHERE THE ENTIRE, UH, SITE HAS BEEN STRIPPED, UH, AND REGRADED AND STARTING WITH A BLANK SLATE WITH, UH, IF THERE'S SOMETHING LESS THAN ZERO VE VEGETATION.
AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA SEE THAT AT THIS SITE.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR CUT AND FILL FOR THIS SITE.
MM-HMM,
AND, UM, I, I HEARD YOUR COMMENT THAT, UH, THAT EXISTING AND PROPOSED GRADES ARE GONNA BE THE SAME, AND THAT MAY BE THE CASE, BUT I ALSO SEE AREAS WHERE THERE'S UP TO 10 FOOT OF CUT AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON SITE.
UH, AND WORKING INTO ALL OF THIS IS, UH, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE LANDSCAPING AND THE, THE TREES ON SITE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE CUTTING, FILL, CUTTING AND FILLING ON SITE, THOSE TREES ARE GONNA BE GONE.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF TREES, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, WELL, 53% OF 945 LESS 17 THAT ARE RELOCATED.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 400 SOME ODD TREES THAT ARE REMOVED FROM SITE.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FOR BUILDING OR FOR CUT AND FILL AND RECREATING OF SITE, BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IS THE SITE LOOK LIKE DURING CONSTRUCTION AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA NOT ONLY PRESERVE TREES, BUT PRESERVE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON SITE.
SO WE, WE DEFINITELY LONG-WINDED COMMENTS.
AND APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR THOUGHTS HERE THAT WE WILL FIRST ABSOLUTELY HAVE AN ARBORIST ON SITE TO HELP US ALONG.
UH, SECOND, THERE ARE, UH, MANY TREES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ARE ABSOLUTELY WORTH SAVING, UH, THAT ARE NOT IN THE FLOODWAY.
THE FLOODWAY WILL STAY PRESERVED, BUT, UH, OUTSIDE THE FLOODWAY AND GRADING'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE ON SITE AND THERE WILL BE PROTECTIVE MEASURES IN PLACE AND THERE WILL BE SHORT RETAINING WALLS THAT WOULD BE PERMANENT ADJACENT TO SOME OF THESE TREES TO PROTECT THEM AND PROTECT, UH, THEIR CURRENT ELEVATION.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE, WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND CIVIL ENGINEER GAVE IT A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT TO USE AN ELEGANT SMALL SHORT RETAINING WALL.
WE, WE DON'T PREFER RETAINING WALLS HIGHER THAN TWO AND A HALF FEET.
SO MANY OF OUR WALLS ARE, ARE SHORT IN LENGTH AND SHORT, SHORT AND HEIGHT, AND WOULD BE CLAD WITH STONES SIMILAR TO THE STONE BEING USED IN THE CLUSTER.
UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A TREE PRESERVATION PLAN WHERE THEY SHOW FENCING AROUND ALL THE TREES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PRESERVE.
AND WE WOULD DO AN INSPECTION, UM, AFTER THAT FENCING IS, SO IT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR APPROVED BUILDING PERMIT PLANS, AND THEN WE WOULD NEED TO INSPECT THAT BEFORE THEY START ANY OF THE MAJOR SITE GRADING TO MAKE SURE ALL THE FENCING IS IN THE CORRECT LOCATION.
AND THE GRADE NATURALLY DOES DROP SUBSTANTIALLY FROM S NEGLEY HILL ROAD DOWN TO THE CREEK, ESPECIALLY AT THE CENTER, CENTRAL AND NORTH END OF THE SITE.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT SLOPE.
SO IF YOU SEE 10 FOOT CUTS, UH, IT'S LOCATIONS WHERE SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE PARTIALLY BURIED IN THAT SLOPE, SO THAT FROM THE PUBLIC SIDE WE ONLY
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SEE ONE, ONE AND A HALF STORIES.AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, STORY OR LEVEL IS HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC AND CUT INTO THE SLOPE.
UH, ALSO THE MOST OF THE BUILDINGS, IF I CAN SHOW YOU ON THE PLAN, ALL BUILDINGS ALONG THE FLOODWAY INCLUDING, UH, THE NORTH CLUSTER, WE, WE ARE NOT MANIPULATING THE GRADE ALONG THE FLOODWAY.
WE'RE, WE'RE LEAVING THE GRADE NATURAL AND ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE AN ELEVATION AT THE FLOODWAY LINE WILL BE ON PIERS AND VEGETATION WILL BE ALLOWED TO GROW UNDERNEATH.
SO DISTURBING AS AS LITTLE OF THE GRADE NATURAL GRADE AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE'RE CLOSE TO THE CREEK.
AND THAT ALSO HAPPENS IN THE NORTH CLUSTER WHERE FIVE OF THOSE OUT OF THE SIX WILL ALSO BE ON PIERS FOR SOME PORTION OF THE BUILDING TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL GRADE.
UM, LUKE DO OR, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE TOTAL CUT AND FILL IS GONNA BE FOR THIS SITE YET, IF YOU WELL, WE DO.
IT WAS, UH, WE DID BALANCE IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING, UH, TO BRING INFILL OR RIGHT.
BUT, AND LIKE TONY SAID, IN A COUPLE AREAS WHERE WE'RE BRINGING THE DRIVEWAY OFF, WE HAVE TO, THAT'S A BIG FILL AREA.
UM, A COUPLE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRE TRUCK WOULDN'T HAVE, UM, ELEVATION, BUT THAT'S BY THE POOL.
AND THEN ON THE, UM, BACK OF HOUSE, UM, WE'RE WORKING IN THE SLOPE THERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SLOPE IN THE CUT SO THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG DROP OFF FROM THE STREET DOWN.
UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO USE THAT.
AND THEN, LIKE YOU ALSO SAID, UM, WE IDENTIFIED ALL THE TREES, ESPECIALLY ALONG STENY HILL ROAD, THAT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF ALL THE MESQUITE AND TRYING TO GET THE PATHWAY IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, SMALL RETAINING PRE WELLS WHERE WE'RE PROTECTING, UM, THAT AS WE GO BY WITH THE, THE PATHWAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT SANDEEP AND HER TEAM JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WE DIDN'T, WEREN'T GETTING INTO THE ROOT ROOT SYSTEMS AND WHICH TREES THEY WANTED TO SAVE.
SO, AND OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A BALANCED SITE THAT, THAT IS THE PRIMARY DIRECTION TO OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND OUR PRIMARY GOAL REGARDING GRADING, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, WE'RE THERE MUST BE A STOCKPILE SOMEWHERE AND HAVE YOU STAGED THE SITE YET FIGURING OUT WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE STOCKPILES OF MATERIAL AND SO FORTH, UM, ANSWERING CONSTRUCTION QUESTIONS.
YEAH, SO PROBABLY WOULD BE THE PARKING LOT.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A MATTER OF PUSH AND PULL AND, AND IT, IT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS, IT IS BIG ENOUGH TO MOVE DIRT AROUND AND JUST BE SENSITIVE TO THE TREES AND WHATNOT, SO.
WITH BOB OLSON AND WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA USE THE PARKING LOT TOO.
I MEAN, THE PARKING LOT'S GONNA BE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG ONE, SO, OKAY.
UM, I KNOW, CAN I TAG ONTO THAT? SURE.
LUKE, HAVE YOU GUYS DONE TEST PITS TO SEE WHAT THE SOIL PROFILE IS OUT THERE? SO TO SEE IF IT'S ACTUALLY FEASIBLE TO REUSE WHAT YOU HAVE AND IF IT'S GONNA COMPACT AND IF THERE'S A COMPACTION FACTOR OR AN EXPANSION FACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORK? UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE DID GO OUT AND DO BORINGS, UHHUH,
SO ANYWAY, UM, I, NO, I SHOULD HAVE STARTED BY SAYING I THINK THE PROJECT IS A REALLY GOOD PROJECT AND IT, IT'S JUST, UM, IF YOU WOULD HAVE ANY OTHER PROJECT ON SITE, I THINK YOU'D HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT I HAVE OR THE, THE CITIZEN CITIZENS HAVE ABOUT TRAFFIC, WATER USE NOISE.
UM, I THINK THEY GO HAND IN HAND WITH ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT THERE.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'M VERY, UH, UNCOMFORTABLE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SOLUTION,
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BUT, UH, TRAFFIC AGAIN WITH, UH, INCREASE OF, I THINK BASED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, 600 VEHICLES FROM 2000 TO 2,600 VEHICLES PER DAY, UH, ON ONLEY HILL ROAD, AND IT'S ALL GONNA END UP AT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE THERE.AND WITH THE DATA INFORMATION TALKING ABOUT FIVE SECOND DELAYS AND SO FORTH, AGAIN, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS IN TWO REAL DELAYS, BUT FOR, I WOULD SAY ANY OF US, BUT PROBABLY MORE LIKE ALL OF US WHO'VE SAT IN TRAFFIC ON 1 79 COMING, UH, INTO THE Y FROM THE SOUTH, UH, THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT DELAYS.
UM, AND I'M AN ENGINEER, I CREATE ENGINEERING STUDIES, OR I HAVE IN THE PAST AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DATA, A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT, UH, JUST BASED ON EMPIRICAL AND, YOU KNOW, HISTORY WITH THE LOCATION AND SO FORTH, UM, I JUST SEE THE TRAFFIC IS, IS GONNA BACK UP ON SCHLEY HILL AND ALSO ON 1 79 COMING IN FROM THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IS BAD, ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC'S GONNA MAKE IT WORSE.
BUT TRYING TO THINK BIG PICTURE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE.
YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT LATER.
AND THAT'S WHY I POINTED TO THE CITY PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY BEING DONE TO THE CROSSING.
UM, JUST NORTH OF THE, THE SITE OR THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE SITE OF ALONG 1 79 IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTORS TO THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
UM, AT THE SHEM HILL ROUNDABOUT, AND THE FACT THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE RELOCATED SO SUCH THAT IT'S GONNA BE GREAT SEPARATED WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW TRAFFIC FLOW ALONG 1 79 TO BE GREATLY IMPROVED.
AND THEN, I MEAN, THAT'S THE SECOND PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY ADOT.
RIGHT? ACTUALLY CLOSING THAT CROSSING.
SO YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE BELOW GRADE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, BUT THE AT GRADE CROSSING IS GONNA STILL EXIST.
BUT AGAIN, FROM WHAT THE SITE CAN DO, WHAT, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WAS ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN TRY TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE USING A SHARED PARKING SOLUTION IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR PARKING COUNTS LOW, NOT GENERATE AS MUCH TRAFFIC, GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I REFERENCED DURING THE PEAK HOUR, WE'RE ADDING 52 VEHICLES IN AN HOUR.
SO WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THAT AND WHAT'S GOING INTO THE ROUNDABOUT AND COMING OUT OF THE ROUNDABOUT, IT'S LESS THAN A VEHICLE EVERY TWO MINUTES REALIZE, REALIZE THAT THERE ARE TRAFFIC ISSUES THERE.
BUT YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE WITHIN THE TRAFFIC REPORT, THERE IS NO DEGRADATION ON ANY LEG OF THAT ROUNDABOUT BEYOND ITS CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
CAN YOU GET MORE DEGRADATION AND LEVEL OF SERVICE FF YEAH.
SO, UM, CYNTHIA IS HERE, AND I'M GONNA MAYBE SORRY, BECAUSE SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THE CFA PLANNING FOR THIS AREA, AND I KNOW TRAFFIC WAS, UM, DISCUSSED AT LENGTH AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BUT GOING FROM RESIDENTIAL TO LAW TO A POTENTIAL LODGING USE, UM, TRAFFIC WAS DISCUSSED WITH THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAD ANYTHING TO ADD ABOUT THE REASONS WHY THE CFA RECOMMENDED THE USES THAT IT DID.
SO SOMETHING WILL BE BUILT THERE, AND ORIGINALLY IT WAS ZONED AS SMALL LOT RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO DURING THE CFA PLANNING, WE DID LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF VARIOUS LAND USES.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT LODGING WAS SUPPORTED IS THAT IT CREATED LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USES.
UM, AND I SEE HANUKKAH'S NODDING HER HEAD
UM, SO I KNOW THAT IS SURPRISING TO SOME PEOPLE, BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY SAY.
UM, THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, ITE.
UM, SO YEAH, IF IF IT'S NOT THIS, THEN OTHER LAND
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USES WILL ALSO CREATE TRAFFIC AS WELL.AND THEN THE, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT DURING THE PLANNING, UM, IS THE LOCATION WE FELT WAS GOOD FOR LODGING IN THAT IT WILL BE TOURISTS AND THEY'LL WANNA WALK.
AND THAT ALSO IS ANOTHER DIFFERENCE, UM, WITH RESIDENTIAL VERSUS TOURIST IS THE PROXIMITY TO THE TOURIST DESTINATIONS.
YES, WE, WE WILL HAVE A HOTEL SHUTTLE THAT WILL BE ON A TIMETABLE AND TRANSPORTS GROUPS OF GUESTS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN INSTEAD OF JUST ONE AT A TIME.
THUS ADDING TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, UH, WE ARE ENCOURAGING THE WALKABILITY OF OUR SITE UP TO TRAILS AND OVER TO ALAK AND UPTOWN.
AND, UH, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE GRADE OF THIS ROUNDABOUT.
UH, IT HAS AN OVERALL GRADE, BUT THAT OVERALL GRADE BREAKS DOWN INTO THREE COMPONENTS AND THREE DIRECTIONS, AND ONE IS GRADE B, SECOND IS GRADE C, AND A THIRD IS GRADE F.
EVEN THE B AND C HOLDS THEIR GRADES AND DOES NOT GET DOWNGRADED BASED ON OUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S 52 CARS, 26 IN EACH DIRECTION.
OUT OF HOW MANY TOTAL IN THE INTERSECTION? 3000 NOT IN THE OVERALL INTERSECTION.
I CAN'T RECALL WHAT THE OVERALL INTERSECTION IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I DO HAVE NOTES IN THERE THAT'S IMPORTANT.
IF IT'S HUNDREDS, IT'S HUNDREDS OF GOING THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT WITHIN DURING THAT HOUR, AND THUS THE DELAY OF ONLY FOUR AND A HALF SECONDS ON AVERAGE, THE AMOUNT OF CARS WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE ROUNDABOUT IS NOT SIGNIFICANT.
AND AGAIN, IT DOES NOT DEGRADE THE B AND C COMPONENTS.
UH, SO THUS, I KNOW F YOU CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN F, BUT A, B AND C ARE NOT DOWNGRADED.
AND, AND THUS BY, UH, MY CONCLUSION, IF F WAS A D IT WOULDN'T BE DOWNGRADED EITHER.
ARE YOU, MAY I JUMP IN? OH, SURE.
I THINK YOU WANT TO ALSO, UM, ARE, ARE YOU AWARE OR IS THE CITY AWARE OF, UM, WHAT AMOUNT OF YOUR RESIDENT GUESTS CHOOSE SHUTTLES AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE TRAFFIC? HOW VEHICULAR TRIPS AND DO WE KNOW THAT ON A, A COMMUNITY-WIDE BASIS, ALL OF THE HOTELS THAT HAVE INSTITUTED SHUTTLE SYSTEMS, HOW EFFECTIVE ARE THEY? WHAT PERCENT IMPACT ARE THEY MAKING? WE'VE NEVER DONE ANY SPECIFIC STUDIES, UM, WHEN ANECDOTALLY DID MAYBE NEGLIGIBLE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE IF THEY GROUP PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO IT COULD BE THAT THEY'RE IN THE SHUTTLE INSTEAD OF THEIR CAR.
AND SO IT'S BEEN A, A COMMON, UM, AMENITY THAT COMES UP IN THE PROJECTS THAT WE HEAR.
AND I JUST REALLY WANNA KNOW IF WHAT, WHAT IS THEIR EFFECTIVENESS? ARE PEOPLE CHOOSING THAT OR ARE THEY CHOOSING THEIR OWN CARS? AND SO IF YOU'RE NOT MEASURING THAT, MAYBE WE, WE NEED TO BE MEASURING THAT AT SOME POINT.
SEE WHAT THE EFFICACY OF THAT AMENITY TRULY IS AND WHAT IT'S IMPACT IS ON AFFECTING, UM, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
PERHAPS RESORTS SHOULD CHARGE PEOPLE $50 EVERY TIME THEY REMOVE THEIR CAR FROM THE LOT
I KNOW THAT WOULDN'T WORK, BUT COULD I TAG ON WHILE KIMLEY HOR IS HERE? MM-HMM.
WHEN YOU GOT UP EARLIER, YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT CITY PROJECTS AND YOU SAID AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE FOR UPTOWN INTO THE CITY.
AND I WAS WONDERING, IS THAT A EUPHEMISM FOR SOMETHING I KNOW ABOUT ALREADY OR I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALREADY? WHAT IS THAT? FOREST ROAD EXTENSION ALONG THE WEST SIDE WILL PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE, UM, UP INTO UPTOWN.
AND IT ALSO WILL, UM, GO ALONG THE BACK OF, UH, IN THE WEST SIDE OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF 1 79.
SO THERE WILL ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, ONE OF THE BEST SOLUTIONS TO A TRAFFIC PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYTHING GOING ALONG ONE PARTICULAR CORRIDOR IS TO PROVIDE SOME NETWORK DENSITY.
THIS IS ACTUALLY PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL OPTION FOR TRAFFIC GOING NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND ALONG 1 79 TO GET TO, UM, UPTOWN THERE.
IT'S GONNA HAVE A SWITCHBACK JUST TO THE MM-HMM.
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GOING LIKE THAT.AND THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING ENGINEERED.
UM, I, I WOULD JUST SAY ABOUT THE USE OF THE SHUTTLES.
AT LEAST FOR THOSE PEOPLE ARE USING.
UM, AND I ALSO HAD OBSERVATION, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD'VE REALLY IMPACTED YOUR STUDY, BUT IS THE, UH, YOUNG LADY IN THE AUDIENCE INDICATED THAT TRAFFIC COUNTS WERE DONE, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PANDEMIC AND, YOU KNOW, IN 2019? 2019 OR 2020 2021, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD'VE MADE AN IMPACT, BUT IT WAS NOTEWORTHY THAT TRACK TRAFFIC WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER THAN IT, IT WAS.
UH, TRAFFIC WAS HEAVIER BECAUSE OCCUPANCY WAS UP COMPARED TO TODAY.
I THOUGHT I SAW OCCUPANCY BASED ON YOUR CHART WAS, UH, LOWER DURING THAT PERIOD READY TO SPEAK.
CAN IS THIS SOMETHING ON? OKAY.
SO THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, THEY, THEY TOOK COUNTS IN MARCH, 2021.
SO A YEAR AFTER COVID, THAT WAS LIKE OUR PEAK BOOM TRAFFIC YEAR.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE CONSERVATIVE NUMBER.
LEMME SEE IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TRAFFIC WISE.
UH, LET'S SEE, REAL QUICK, WHAT ELSE? THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY RIGHT NOW.
COLLEAGUE TERRY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT MAP WITH THE PROPERTY LINE FLOODWAY.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN WE'RE TOUTING THIS OPEN SPACE IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT BUILDABLE BECAUSE THE CFA DOES NOT ALLOW BUILDING IN THE FLOODWAY.
BUT THE CFA WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE COUNTED AS OPEN SPACE AS WELL.
BUT I'M, IT'S, IT'S NOT PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT HAS CHOSEN TO KEEP IT UP IN OPEN SPACE.
IT'S PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BUILD IN IT.
AS PART OF THE OC DISTRICT, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT.
I THOUGHT, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IN MY OWN BRAIN, I LIKE THIS MAP.
UM, SO I WANTED TO DECLARE, I, I THINK I OBVIOUSLY OPEN SPACE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I'M NOT NEGATING THE FACT THAT THAT BIG CHUNK OF LAND THAT IS YOUR PROPERTY MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPABLE WAS JUST WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.
I'M JUST THAT, UM, I ACTUALLY HAD A, I HAVE A TRAFFIC QUESTION, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE FOR THE TRAFFIC PERSON.
UM, THERE WAS A BULLET POINT ON, UM, THE LIST ABOUT INCENTIVES FOR EMPLOYEE CARPOOLS AND, AND BIKES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED INCENTIVES? DO YOU GUYS HAVE A LIST YET FOR, UH, THE GOALS OF GETTING EMPLOYEES TO EITHER CARPOOL OR TAKE THE BUS OR WHATEVER, DIFFERENT WAY THEY GET THERE? YEAH, SO WE, WE DO DESIGNATE ONE OF OUR MANAGERS TO BE A TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT MANAGER FOR OUR FACILITY.
AND HE WOULD IMPLEMENT PROGRAMS FOR CARPOOLING, VAN POOLING, UH, IF THERE'S A NEED FOR EMPLOYEES BIKING TO THE SITE AND HAVING SHOWERS AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO USE, UH, GIVING DISCOUNTS TO THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
THERE'S, YEAH, SO THE, THE ONLY INCENTIVE I HEARD THERE IS A POTENTIAL DISCOUNT FOR, FOR, UH, THE BUSES WHICH ARE, UH, A DOLLAR A RIDE.
UM, AND ORGANIZING GROUPS OF EMPLOYEES TO PULL TOGETHER.
SO THE, THE IDEA IS IT SAVES THEM MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DRIVING THEIR OWN CAR AND THAT'S THE INCENTIVE.
WELL, IT LOWERS THE DEMAND ON TRAFFIC.
IF I, I, I'M TALKING FROM THE EMPLOYEE'S PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO I'M WONDERING HOW YOU'RE INCENTIVIZING THOSE EMPLOYEES TO GET OUT OF THEIR CAR.
LIKELY FINANCIALLY IS, MY GUESS.
INCENTIVE TO ME MEANS FINANCIAL, BUT I GUESS IT COULD BE TIME OR RESOURCE.
UM, SO THAT'S MORE MY QUESTION.
TRAFFIC IS TRAFFIC IS TRAFFIC.
I'M, I'M MORE LIKE WITHOUT GIVING EMPLOYEES A REASON NOT TO DRIVE, HOW ARE THEY NOT GONNA DRIVE? MM-HMM.
THERE WILL BE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR THAT.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICS AT THE MOMENT? NOT AT THE MOMENT.
WE, WE HAVE OTHER OPERATIONS WHERE OTHER HOTELS WHERE WE'RE SENSITIVE TO TRAFFIC GENERATION AND OUR EMPLOYEES ARE GIVEN, UM, WE
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TAKE CARE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND WE DO HAVE INCENTIVES FOR CARPOOLING.SO WHOEVER'S CARPOOLING WE PAY FOR THEIR GAS, THERE'S ALWAYS A PROGRAM TO WORK.
UM, I HAD ONE OTHER THING THAT I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN.
SO CAN I FIND IT, AND IF IT'S WORTH ASKING, I WILL OF COURSE POP BACK IN.
WELL, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON THE OPEN, THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, YOU SHOWED SOME WALKWAYS ALONG THERE SO PEOPLE CAN STARGAZE AND WHATEVER.
UH, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR, UM, THOSE WALKWAYS? I MEAN, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA BE MADE OF AND WHAT THERE'LL BE NATURAL PATHS.
THAT WOULD MEANDER THROUGH THE OPEN SPACE.
SO IS IT, IS IT A GRAVEL, SAND, DIRT, JUST WHATEVER'S THERE NOW? CORRECT.
WILL THAT AREA BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC REPUBLIC? THE PORTION OF IT IS AT THE CREEK FRONT OF WHAT WE'RE OFFERING UP IS FOR THE EASEMENT, UM, BUT NOT ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
SO NOT IN THE FOUR ACRE PARCEL? NO.
UM, CAN YOU PUT UP THE, UM, SLIDE TO WHICH WE SEE THE PUBLIC EASEMENT ALONG THE CREEK? AND BECAUSE I THINK THE PATHS WERE ALSO ON THAT WHAT SECTION OF YOURS? I WAS IN THAT ONE.
SO I UNDERSTAND AS WE TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT SECTION, UNLESS IT'S WHERE THAT EASEMENT IS FOR PUBLIC AREA, IS NOT GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AS COMMISSIONERS HAS REALLY DEALT ON THIS IDEA OF WHAT'S THE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF THIS, OF THIS PROJECT.
AND, AND I RECOGNIZE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT I'M REALLY WONDERING IF CONCEPTUALLY IS, ARE YOU ABLE TO OPEN UP THE SPACE FOR PUBLIC ACCESS ASIDE FROM YOUR EASEMENT? SO FIRST OF ALL, AGAIN, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION.
THEY ARE NOT EXPECTED TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC BENEFIT IN THE SAME WAY A ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION OKAY.
THEY'RE EXPECTED TO MEET THE, THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, REGARDING THE CREEK WALK, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT IS A PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT WHAT WE WOULD BE GETTING FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, WOULD BE AN EASEMENT.
THAT WE WOULD NEED TO OBTAIN EASEMENTS FROM OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THAT.
AND THEN, SO IT'S KIND OF THE FIR SO IT'S NOT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S NOW A CREEK WALK ON THIS LITTLE PORTION.
WE'D HAVE TO ASSEMBLE ADDITIONAL.
SO I, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND I WRITE MINE DOWN AS I'M READING THROUGH, SO I MAY BE SORT OF JUMPING AROUND ON WHO THEY'RE FOR.
BUT, UM, THE FIRST ONE THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN ASKED WAS, THERE IS PUBLIC ART THAT'S GONNA BE A COMPONENT, IT'S A REQUIREMENT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA YET WHETHER YOU INTEND TO PROVIDE PUBLIC ART OR CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUND OR, AND IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE IT YOURSELF, WHAT MIGHT IT BE? MM-HMM.
YOU GOT ANY IDEAS YET? UH, PLACEHOLDERS.
SO WE HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS WHERE PUBLIC ART IS PART OF OUR PROP, OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE DO BRING IN AN ART CONSULTANT WHO WILL STUDY AND BRING SOMETHING FORWARD THAT WE WOULD BRING TO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROCESS IS, BUT WE WOULD BRING THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, GUESSING PLANNING, I'M NOT SURE.
SO THE, IT'S A, THE PUBLIC ART PROCESS WOULD BE THEY WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT A PUBLIC ART PLAN.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT ARE WHETHER IT, YOU KNOW, MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS PUBLIC AND ART.
AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THIS PLAN, UM, THEY HAVE THE DOTS THAT SHOW PUBLIC ART OPPORTUNITIES.
THIS LOCATION THAT BACK HERE LIKELY WOULD NOT QUALIFY AS PUBLIC ART, EVEN IF THEY PUT ART THERE.
AND SO, UM, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT PLAN, MAKE
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SURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE COUNTING FOR PUBLIC ART IS ACTUALLY PUBLIC AND ART.UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT DON'T QUALIFY.
SO LIKE A MASS PRODUCED STATUARY FROM YOUR LOCAL GARDEN CENTER DOES NOT QUALIFY AS ART.
UM, THERE'S BUSINESS SIGN, EVEN IF IT'S ARTISTIC, DOES NOT QUALIFY AS ART.
UM, AND SO WE LOOK AT WHAT IT IS AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND DETERMINE WHETHER, UM, WHETHER THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S BASED ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THEY'RE EXPECTED TO PROVIDE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT OR PAY THE IN LIE FEE BEFORE THEY CAN GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
AND IT WOULD BE A PROCESS THAT WOULD INVOLVE CHOOSING A LOCAL ARTIST AND LETTING THE LOCAL ARTISTS IMAGINE THE CONCEPT AND IMPLEMENT THAT CONCEPT.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THERE ARE ONES I VOTED FOR ON THOSE ROUNDABOUTS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT
AND SO, YEAH, SO WE WORK WITH NANCY AS WELL.
UM, ARE THERE, SO WE NOW HAVE A NEW COMMUNITY PLAN THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED.
AND SO THIS PROJECT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT.
AND ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR LITTLE CHECK SHEETS, IT IS COMPLIANT WITH IT.
BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN TO THE NEW ONE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER? YOU SAID THEY, IT, IT, THAT COMPLI, UH, COMPORTS WITH IT, BUT THAT AFFECT THIS THAT YOU HAD TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT OR, NO, BECAUSE MOST OF THE, AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S THIS, THE CFA PLAN THAT WAS ALSO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WAS NOT ABANDONED AS PART OF THE NEW RIGHT.
COMMUNITY PLAN THAT, UM, AND NOTHING ELSE THAT BECAME MORE, THAT, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE SPECIFICS ARE.
AND SO ALL THE SPECIFICS REGARDING THIS PROJECT OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THAT OC ZONE STAYED THE SAME.
UM, WE, WE GOT A LOT OF, UH, EMAILS AND, UM, COMMENTS IN, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR SOME OF 'EM, NOT ALL OF THEM, UM, COULD YOU JUST CONFIRM THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BEDS? THERE WERE SOME ARITHMETIC, I'M NOT REALLY SURE I AGREED WITH.
SO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BEDS, THE SEATING CAPACITY OF THE RESTAURANT, THE SPA CAPACITY.
AND IF, IF YOU WANNA BE LOOKING THAT UP, I CAN ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION, PLEASE.
SO, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEIGHTS, OH, GO AHEAD.
OUT OF THE 70 ROOMS, WE WILL HAVE ROOMS THAT ARE DOUBLE QUEEN BEDS.
SO THE TOTAL WOULD BE 89 BEDS WITHIN THE 70 ROOMS. OKAY.
AND THE RESTAURANT CAPACITY, SEATING CAPACITY, IF I CAN HAVE A FEW MINUTES FOR THAT.
MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WILL ANSWER IT.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND, UM, WHAT IS THE, JUST WHAT IS THE CERTIFICATE OF NO RISE IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? HANUKKAH, GO AHEAD.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING, CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE? OH, HELLO.
HANUKKAH OIDA, UH, ASSISTANT ENGINEER WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA.
RIGHT CERTIFICATE IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME FROM LUKE OR THEIR ENGINEER, WHICH CERTIFIES, IF ANY STRUCTURE IS BUILT IN A FLOOD WAY, IT CERTIFIES THAT IT DOES NOT RAISE THE, UM, THE FLOOD LEVELS.
SO PUTTING THINGS LIKE PIERS INTO THE FLOODWAY TO SUPPORT HOUSES, NO ISSUE.
IF WE PUT, YOU KNOW, A BIG BOX THERE, A BIG STRUCTURE IN THE FLOODWAY, THEN YES, THAT WOULD, UM, RAISE THE FLOOD ELEVATION.
BUT IF IT'S JUST PIERS AND JUST YEAH.
TO CLARIFY, CLARIFY, THAT'S A PRETTY STANDARD CONDITION.
THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY STRUCTURES IN THE FLOODWAY.
THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN THAT MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS.
SOMEHOW, THE WAY I WAS READING IT, I GOT THE FEELING THAT THE HEIGHT, THERE COULD BE A HEIGHT DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN REGULAR GRADE ONES AND ONES THAT WERE IN THE FLOODLINE.
SO, OH, SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES
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ALLOW THAT.IF A PROPERTY IS IN A FLOODPLAIN, UM, WHEN YOU BUILD IN A FLOODPLAIN, YOU HAVE TO RAISE YOUR BUILDING TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT.
YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY GO TO THE GROUND BECAUSE THERE'S FLOOD WATER THERE.
SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES ALLOW YOU TO MEASURE YOUR HEIGHT TO THAT FLOOD LEVEL RATHER THAN TO THE GROUND.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HIGHER BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT THEY'RE DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A PORTION OF THAT THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD IN.
AND SO THAT WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
JUST BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T BUILD IN IT, WE, AND THOSE ARE GENERALLY, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S A FLOODWAY OR A FLOODPLAIN, THOSE ARE THE, THE LOWEST AREAS OF THE SITE.
AND SO WHEN THAT CODE CHANGE WENT INTO EFFECT, IT WASN'T GOING TO, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT HEIGHTS AT THE HIGHER LEVELS OF THE STATE.
IT'S NOT GONNA VISUALLY BE AS IMPACTFUL.
UM, SO THE RESTAURANT OCCUPANCY IS TIED TO OUR PARKING ANALYSIS.
AND WITHIN THE PARKING STUDY WE IDENTIFY, UH, 71 CARS.
SO ON AVERAGE, ONE AND A HALF PERSONS PER CAR.
SOMEBODY MADE A, WHOEVER SENT THIS IN MADE A CALCULATION OF 240, WHICH I JUST THOUGHT SOUNDED A LITTLE HIGH.
AND THE SP CAPACITY, SAME KIND OF THING.
YOU MAY HAVE, UM, SPOT CAPACITY IS BASED ON OUR FOUR TREATMENT ROOMS. OKAY.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE 30 TO 60 PEOPLE THERE? NO.
UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTFUL LETTERS ABOUT THE WALKING PATH ALONG SCHLEY MM-HMM.
UM, AND THEY HAD SOME IDEAS ABOUT THE, THE DEPTH OR THE WIDTH OF IT.
I JUST WANNA SAY I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE, BUT, UM, AT THIS POINT, DO YOU THINK THAT MOST THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SATISFIED WITH YOUR PREFERRED OPTION?
AND THAT'S SPLITTING THE EIGHT FEET INTO TWO FOUR FOOT SEGMENTS IF NEEDED FOR THE SOLE REASON TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF SCHEV HILL ROAD.
AND THAT'S WHAT OUR PROPOSAL DOES.
OUR PREFERRED PROPOSAL WAS THE FIRST OPTION THAT DOES HAVE APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE PATH AT EIGHT FEET WITH SOME OF THE PORTION SPLITTING INTO TWO SO THAT WE CAN GET AROUND EXISTING TREES AND PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREES.
COULD I FOLLOW UP ON THAT, JUST ON THAT ITEM? UM, WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THAT PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MR. LECHER WAS THAT THEY WOULD PREFER A FIVE TO SIX FOOT, UH, SINGLE USE PATH AND NOT A, UM, UM, WHAT DO WE CALL IT? UH, IN ADDITION TO, UH, SPURS AROUND BARE WALLOW.
SO I, I THINK THERE'S SOME DISTANCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU ARE ALLUDING TO AS A, PERHAPS A NEW CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC LATER, BUT SURE.
UM, WHEN YOU SHOWED THE SLIDE, YOU SHOWED FOUR OPTIONS.
BUT YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT YOU WERE SETTLING ON EIGHT FEET.
SO THAT'S NEW INFORMATION TO US, AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN PRETTY, UM, UNITED IN WHAT, HOW THEY WANT THAT TO CONTINUE THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL, UH, ALONG SHELBY HILL ROAD.
SO I HOPE WE CAN FIND, UM, THE COMMON GROUND THERE BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO THEM, UM, AND IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO YOU TO ALSO SAVE TREES.
SO WE NEED TO FIND THE RIGHT SOLUTION THERE.
AND IT'S A SINGLE WOULD BE SINGLE USE AS OPPOSED TO MULTI-USE, BECAUSE OSTENSIBLY AT SOME FUTURE DATE WE WOULD SEE A BIKE LANE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO, UM, WE, WE GOTTA GET THAT RIGHT.
WE GOTTA GET IT RIGHT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMENT THAT, THAT WE, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO IMPLEMENT A SIX FOOT WIDE PATH.
OUR LIMITATIONS ARE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY AND THE CITY
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DID REDUCE.THAT'S THE, SO AGAIN, THIS GOES, MAYBE CYNTHIA CAN WEIGH IN, BUT THIS GOES BACK TO THE CFA PLANNING PROCESS.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, FIVE FOOT PATHS GENERALLY ISN'T WIDE ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
UM, SO IT WAS CARS ON THE ROAD BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS ON THE PATHWAY, IF, IF I'M CORRECT, AND SHE'S NODDING.
SO UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A, AGAIN, THERE WAS A PLANNING PROCESS THAT WENT THROUGH THAT RECOMMENDED THAT MM-HMM.
WELL, SO AGAIN, A SHARED USE PATH, A STANDARD SHARED USE PATH IS 10 FEET IN THE CITY.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SOME UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES THROUGH THIS AREA, WE SAY, OKAY, MAYBE DOWN TO EIGHT FEET.
UM, WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO SAVE A TREE YEAH.
BUT IN, IN GENERAL, THIS, THIS WAS NOT ENVISIONED AS A WALKING ONLY PATH AND TO ACCOMMODATE THE MULTI-USE, IS IT, UM, IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
SO IS IT UNCOMMON TO THINK THAT BIKES WOULD, WOULD, UH, GO SOUTHBOUND ON THE ROAD AND PEDESTRIANS WOULD USE THE WALKWAY THAT THEY WOULD BE SEPARATED? THE BIKES WOULD NOT CHOOSE THE SIX FOOTER? I'M NOT A BIKER.
BUT THE, I MEAN, IT AGAIN, THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THE CFA PLAN RECOMMENDING THE WIDER PATHWAY.
WE'LL DO CARS ON THE ROAD, WE'LL DO PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES ON THE PATHWAY.
CARRIE, SARAH, OR I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE MORE? A COUPLE MORE.
UM, THE SAME, UH, CORRESPONDENCE WAS ALSO TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE FRONT, THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND WHETHER THE MAIN ENTRANCE SHOULD BE FURTHER SOUTH OR WHERE YOU HAVE IT NOW.
AND THERE SEEMED TO BE PROS AND CONS TO BOTH.
SO AGAIN, JUST YOU SEEM TO HAVE SETTLED ON THE NORTH.
UM, ARE PEOPLE RE REASONABLY HAPPY WITH THAT? SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, WHY IT'S IN THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, BUT AS YOU GET FURTHER SOUTH, YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE WASH THAT'S THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED IN ITS NATURAL STATE.
UM, IF YOU LOCATE IT, OBVIOUSLY SOUTH OF THE WASH YOU'RE BUILDING THEN BRIDGES MORE THAN JUST THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT THEY HAVE OVER THE WASH, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD NOT, WOULD BE A LARGER IMPACT.
AND SO LOCATING THE ENT, THE MAIN ENTRANCE NORTH OF THE WASH, UM, WOULD, IS ELIMINATES THE NEED TO BRIDGE THE WASH WITH A VEHICLE BRIDGE.
I MEAN, I'M SATISFIED WHERE IT IS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A SUBJECT OF IS OF INTEREST.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S PRETTY MUCH GETTING ALL THE CATEGORIES COVERED.
UM, QUESTION I HAD, DID YOU GUYS COORDINATE WITH FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER REGARDING THEIR RIVER CONSERVATION CERTIFICATION PROGRAM? I, I HAVE BEEN CORRESPONDING WITH ISAAC.
AND WE ARE WORKING OUT AN ARRANGEMENT TO WORK TOGETHER, UH, TO IMPROVE THE CREEK.
UH, THEIR PRIORITY WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REMOVE INVASIVE SPECIES AND WE'RE 100% IN SUPPORT OF THAT EFFORT.
I JUST, I DIDN'T SEE IT ON, YOU KNOW, THAT LAST SLIDE WITH LEAD AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT WAS.
LUKE, AS FAR AS PROTECTING OAK CREEK, THIS IS A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YES.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE STATE GENERAL PERMIT.
DOES THAT REQUIRE MONITORING AND TESTING? HOW ARE WE PROTECTING THE CREEK DURING EARTH WORK MOVING AND, UM, WELL, WE'LL DO A STORM WATER PROTECTION PLAN, UHHUH,
DRAIN IN THERE SO THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, TREAT IT AND USE IT FOR LANDSCAPING.
UM, ANOTHER KIND OF QUESTION THAT THAT GOES WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ON,
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YOU KNOW, I'M VERY BIG INTO SUSTAINABILITY AND STORM WATER REUSE AND CAPTURE AND ALL OF THAT, BUT IN A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE THAT NATURALLY FLOWS WHEN RAIN HAPPENS INTO THE CREEK BY RETAINING AND DETAINING EVERYTHING NOW ON SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, 95%, ARE WE AFFECTING THE HYDROLOGY OF OAK CREEK AT ALL BY PREVENTING THAT FROM CONTINUING TO GO DOWN THERE?REALLY CREEK DOESN'T CARE, BUT, UM, SO IT'S A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, BUT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO DETENTION.
I JUST, THE NATURAL NORMALLY THAT YEAH.
IF WE WERE ON THIS CREEK, IF IT WAS ANYWHERE ELSE, WE COULD ACTUALLY PROVE THAT WE COULD JUST LET THE WATER GO INTO THE CREEK.
AND BECAUSE OF THE TIME OF PEAK, UM, IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING ON SITE JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THAT ARE TO THE NATURAL FLOW OF OAK CREEK AND THE HYDROLOGY, SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE RETAINING OKAY.
THERE'S GONNA BE GROUNDWATER SURCHARGE AND ALL OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, HAS MATURE TREES, SHRUBS, OLD ORCHARDS, AND I KNOW THAT YOU SAID 53% ARE GONNA BE SAVED.
UM, SO 47% MINUS THE 17, LIKE YOU SAID.
UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED AND SHIPPED AND SHIPPED OFF, OR THAT'S, LIKE YOU SAID, OF OVER 400 TREES.
UM, HAVE THEY BEEN TA I, I ASSUME YOU'VE DONE A TREE INVENTORY AND YOU'VE TAGGED THE HEALTH OF TREES AND WHAT'S YEAH, WE'VE DONE A DETAILED INVENTORY.
YOU KNOW, WE LOOK, WE HAVE PICTURES OF EVERY TREE AND, YOU KNOW, SIZE AND EVERYTHING.
UM, OUT OF THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE BEING, UM, NOT A PART OF THE 53%, ABOUT 285 OF THEM ARE EITHER DYING OR IN INVASIVE.
SO, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF, UH, FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER WAS TO LIKE, AS TONY SAID, TO REMOVE THEM.
SO THAT JUST ELIMINATES 50% OFF THE 47%.
SO, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE 17TH THAT ARE BEING TRANSPLANTED ARE THE HEALTHIEST ONES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO THE HEALTH OF THE TREES VARIES FROM EXCELLENCE TO GOOD, TO FAIR TO POOR.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TREE INVENTORY MAP, THERE'S SORT OF THAT BROWN COLOR, WHICH REPRESENTS THE ONES THAT WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT ON SITE.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'RE, THEY'RE A HAZARD, THEY'RE A HAZARD FOR OF DISEASE, YOU KNOW, TO THE ONES THAT ARE HEALTHY AND EXISTING.
AND, UH, SO I THINK, I MEAN, IN ADDITION TO THE ONES BEING PRESERVED IN PLACE, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO, TO MAXIMIZE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY HAS SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL BACKGROUND.
IT'S WHERE THE FIRST HOMESTEADERS SETTLED AND, YOU KNOW, NOT TO PUT SOMEBODY ON THE SPOT, BUT I KNOW THAT OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS HERE FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, AND I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HIS, UM, OPINION ON THE PROJECT.
NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? PUBLIC ART.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE REALLY TAKEN WHAT WE SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, GOING BACK TO THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AND THE SUSTAINABILITY AND THE EFFORT THAT'S GONE INTO REALLY TRYING TO CHECK ALL OF THE BOXES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANNA APPLAUD THAT EFFORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVITY OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE CFA AND WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT DOING SOMETHING IN SCALE AND CABINS.
AND I WOULDN'T REALLY CONSIDER THESE CABINS.
UM, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, STEPPING BACK FROM A 40,000 FOOT VIEW WHERE OUR COMMUNITY HAS STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT HOTELS, AND, UM, HERE WE ARE WHERE IT SEEMS THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR A PROJECT THAT HAS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, IMPACT, HISTORICAL IMPACT, UM, IS ONLY GONNA BE PROVIDING FOUR HOUSING UNITS.
AND YET THEN WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS WHERE IT'S AN INFILL PROJECT AND THEY'RE, IT JUST, I STRUGGLE WITH COMMON SENSE SOMETIMES WITH WHAT DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE, QUITE HONESTLY.
UM, SO I'M JUST, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS ENVIRONMENT.
UM, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED MM-HMM.
SO I'LL, I'LL CONCLUDE AND WITH ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS, WHICH IS HISTORY.
AND, UH, WHEN WE LAST MET, I KINDA SHONE A LIGHT ON ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THERE.
AND AT THE TIME, UM, WHAT WE DISCUSSED WAS WHETHER IT HAD SIGNIFICANCE, HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, WHETHER, WHETHER IT HAD HISTORICAL INTEGRITY, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT, BECAUSE NEITHER ONE OF US REALLY KNEW ITS HISTORY.
SO IN THE INTERVENING TIME BETWEEN THAT MEETING AND THIS ONE, I DID SOME RESEARCH, WHICH, UM, I LOVE TO
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DO IT WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE PHOTO, UH, ARCHIVES AT THE SEDONA HISTORICAL MUSEUM.AND WHAT I FOUND IS THAT THIS PROPERTY, UM, AND RIGHTLY SO, IT'S BEEN CALLED THE HERITAGE AREA.
WE'VE CALLED IT THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE AREA, AND CREATED A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR IT ACTUALLY REPRESENTS S UH, A LONG SPAN, A LONG ARC OF HISTORY IN THIS COMMUNITY FROM WHAT WE COULD ASSUME WOULD'VE BEEN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES THAT WOULD'VE, UM, BEEN ON THAT CREEK FISHED THAT CREEK GROWN THEIR CROPS THERE TO THE EARLY HOMESTEADERS IN THE LATE 18 HUNDREDS.
UH, IT ALSO IN, IN ITS PROXIMITY, UM, AND THE HOMESTEADERS PUTTING IN IRRIGATION DITCHES AND GROWING FRUIT AND, AND HAVING, UM, HAVING, UM, MAKING THAT THEIR LIVELIHOOD AS OTHER HOMESTEADERS DID ALONG OAK CREEK.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN THAT SETTING, UM, WHAT WE CALL SCHEV HILL WAS, UH, THE OLD MAN'S TRAIL.
AND SO CATTLE WERE DRIVEN FROM THAT, UM, UP THAT TRAIL, UM, TO, UM, SUMMER PASTURES, IF YOU WILL, FOR GRAZING.
WHAT I FOUND OUT WAS MILDRED SMITH JOHNSON, WHO WAS THE SECRETARY FOR ZANE GRAY, AND HER HUSBAND LIVED IN WHAT WE'RE CALLING NOW THE COTTAGE AT 95 SHELBY HILL ROAD.
SO THAT WAS PARTICULARLY, UM, UH, HISTORICAL BECAUSE CALL OF THE CANYON WAS THE FIRST SILENT FILM MADE IN THE SEDONA OAK CREEK AREA.
SO WHAT GREATER HISTORY DO WE HAVE? WE'VE GOT AGRICULTURE, WE HAVE HOMESTEADING, WE HAVE CATTLE RUNNING UP UMMS CREEK, AND THEN WE FIND OUT WE HAVE THIS INCREDIBLE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE OCCUPANT IN THIS COTTAGE WHO BY THE WAY, CAME FROM NEW YORK, WORKED IN THE FILM INDUSTRY AS HER HUSBAND DID, AND FOUND THEMSELVES IN SEDONA THE LATE 1940S.
SO THAT HOME ISN'T JUST 50 YEARS OLD, IT'S, UH, 75 YEARS OLD AS IT'S THE ANCILLARY BUILDING, WHICH APPARENTLY WAS FIRST A GARAGE, I SUSPECT WHEN THAT WAS REMODELED BECAUSE OF THOSE LARGE NORTH FACING WINDOWS THAT BECAUSE BOTH HARRY AND UH, MILDRED WERE ARTISTS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT THAT THEY COULD WELL HAVE PAINTED THERE.
SO FROM WHERE I COME FROM, UH, AND I DO NOT QUESTION NANCY BURGESS'S, UM, EXPERTISE.
I WORKED WITH NANCY, AND SHE HAS BEEN THE CONSULTANT ON THIS PROJECT AND WROTE A FOLLOW UP LETTER, WHICH I FULLY APPRECIATE.
I'M GONNA WALK BACK MY INITIAL REQUEST TO SEE THAT PROPERTY LANDMARKED, BUT I AM STRUGGLING WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA BE TORN DOWN AND MATERIALS ARE GONNA BE SALVAGED AND MAKE A NEW BUILDING, WHICH ISN'T GREEN.
I MEAN, OLD BUILDINGS ARE GREEN, RIGHT.
YOU TEAR 'EM DOWN AND THEY'RE IRREPLACEABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE STORYTELLER AND, AND SALVAGE SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS AND THEN CREATE A HERITAGE GALLERY.
THE OTHER IS THE, UH, IRRIGATION DITCH ITSELF.
I AM I WRONG THAT YOU ARE ADDING A WATERFALL FEATURE TO THAT? THAT'S ANOTHER HEART, UM, HISTORIC ELEMENT ARTIFACT ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU WANNA CELEBRATE AND TELL THE STORY ABOUT.
BUT ARE YOU DOING A WATERFALL ELEMENT? THERE'S AT THE NORTH END OF THE, OF THE HISTORIC CHANNEL TO EXTEND IT TO THE NORTH? MM-HMM.
AND, AND THE IMAGE OF IT SEEPING OUT OF THE ROCK AND INTO THE DITCH, UH, CAME TO MIND.
AND I MIGHT SUGGEST, AND I THINK MAX KLEISER DID THE SAME, THAT IF THAT DITCH WERE ACTUALLY FUNCTIONAL MM-HMM.
SO WERE YOU THEN SEEING WATER FLOWING IN THE DITCH, OR NO? YES.
THE, THE MAIN INTENT AND MAKING IT FULLY FUNCTIONAL AND THE MAIN INTENT ON SIDE.
THE MAIN INTENT IS TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TELL THE STORY OF THAT PROPERTY TO YOUR GUESS? AND, AND HOW MIGHT THOSE ACTUALLY BE? THEY COULD ACTUALLY BE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE, UM, ART, ART AND CULTURE ON THE SITE.
I CAN SEE THAT THEY MIGHT EVEN TAKE THE PLACE, DEPENDING
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ON HOW ROBUST, HOW SERIOUS YOU WERE ABOUT, UM, MAKING THAT PART OF THE GUEST EXPERIENCE AND, AND HONORING THE HISTORY ON THE SITE.UH, EACH OF OUR HOTELS HAS A COMPONENT THAT, THAT SHOWS RESPECT AND HIGHLIGHTS THE HISTORY.
AND THIS SITE IS UNIQUELY SEDONA, OBVIOUSLY WITH, WITH A GREAT DEAL OF HISTORY.
CHAIRPERSON THAT IT'S AN INCREDIBLE SITE.
WE HAVE THE WATER WELLS, WHICH ARE THE WATER WELL, WELL HOUSES.
AND, UH, THE, UH, YOU'VE SEEN OUR PRESENTATION FOR THE IRRIGATION CHANNEL AND THE TWO WATER WELL SHEDS AND OUR PROPOSAL FOR COTTAGE 95.
UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING COTTAGE AND JUST REBUILDING TO LOOK LIKE ITS ORIGINAL VERSION.
WE, WE ARE PAINSTAKINGLY, PAINSTAKINGLY SALVAGING THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
WHAT WE IDENTIFY AS, AND WHAT OUR HISTORIAN IDENTIFIES AS SOME OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL OF THAT COTTAGE, YOU'RE CORRECT THAT OVER THE YEARS IT HAS WINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED ONTO IT.
IT EVEN HAS A ROOF THAT LOOKS SECONDARY THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED ONTO IT.
SO THE, THERE, THERE IS A COTTAGE THERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SALVAGE AND REBUILD AND TURN IT INTO THIS PUBLIC EXPERIENCE, THIS GUEST EXPERIENCE, AND HAVE A HERITAGE GALLERY THAT CELEBRATES THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.
I DON'T ARGUE THAT IT HAS CHANGED OVER TIME AS MANY HISTORICAL STRUCTURES HAVE.
AND SO THAT, UM, WHAT LOOKS LIKE A FREESTANDING ADD-ON AT SOME POINT WHERE, UH, A WASHER OR WASHING AND, AND DRYER REPLACE WOULD CERTAINLY NOT HAVE BEEN DATED, UH, INTO THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES.
WHAT WE DID FIND IS THAT, UH, AND DAVID TRACY, THE FORMER OWNERS, SUGGESTED THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, UH, CONFIGURATION WAS SOMETHING LIKE 10 BY 14 THAT'S VERY SMALL.
SO UNDER THE SHELL OF THIS HISTORICAL STRUCTURE THAT HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.
THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S ORIGINAL TO THAT.
I GUESS I JUST STRUGGLE WITH TEARING DOWN DEMOLISHING AND SAVING MATERIALS AND RECREATING, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS NOT HISTORICAL, UM, IS DIFFICULT FOR ME.
UM, THE OTHER ITEM I HAD I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS, LET'S SEE, THE FUNCTIONAL, UH, DITCH, THE, AND THE FARLEY STEEL.
I MEAN, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL USE HISTORIC NAMES AND AUTHENTICATE THESE THINGS, BUT I WOULD WOULD ALSO LIKE TO UNDERSCORE THAT WHEN YOU CREATE HISTORY ON THAT PRO, WHEN YOU CREATE THE STORY THAT TELLS THE HISTORY TO WORK WITH THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE MUSEUM, BECAUSE WE'VE OFTEN SEEN PEOPLE MISINTERPRET OR HAVE ANECDOTAL MATERIAL THAT REALLY DOESN'T HOLD UP TO HISTORICAL RESEARCH.
SO IF YOU WILL CREATE THAT PARTNERSHIP WHEN YOU, UH, BUILD THIS, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND I KNOW THE COMMUNITY WOULD TOO, BECAUSE AUTHENTICITY IS IMPORTANT TO US.
AND HISTORICAL RELEVANCE AND SAVING, SAVING THE HISTORY FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT WILL COME, UH, VISIT THIS COMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT TO US.
APPRECIATE AND TO US AUTHENTICITY.
UH, TO ADD ON OTHER PROJECTS, WE'VE HIRED HISTORIANS TO CREATE A JOURNAL, AND THE JOURNAL DOCUMENTS THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.
AND THE JOURNAL CAN BE SUBMITTED TO A LIBRARY AND EVEN HA AND EVEN, UH, YEAH.
SO GUESTS HA HAS SOMETHING TAN TANGIBLE.
WELL, WE HAVE A REAL RESOURCE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE MUSEUM IN THE SOCIETY.
SO UTILIZE THEIR ARCHIVES, THEIR PHOTOS, UM, THEIR ORAL HISTORIES, ALL THE WAYS THAT ARE POSSIBLE TO CELEBRATE.
I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT WE COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE.
IT'S PART OF THE GUEST EXPERIENCE TO GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE OF PLACE.
UH, AND IT'S, IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL GUESS AMENITY AS WE SEE IT.
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MM-HMM.UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME OF THE ACCESS, UH, UH, LUKE HAS TO SOME OF ZANE GRAY'S MATERIALS AND SOME OF THE HISTORY AVAILABLE.
SO WE WANT TO CELEBRATE IT AND IT'S, WE THINK IT'S THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY.
I SHOULD ADD, AS A FOOTNOTE, NOT ONLY WAS THAT THE FIRST, UH, SILENT FILM, BUT THEN THE FIRST FILM WAS SOUND WAS MADE, WESTERN WAS MADE HERE IN SEDONA OAK CREEK.
I WON'T OVERSTATE ANYTHING MORE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR APPLICANT? I RE BEFORE I GO TO THE PUBLIC, I REMEMBERED MINE.
UM, WE HAVE A COMMENT, I THINK IT JUST CAME IN RECENTLY FROM CRAIG, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF KEEP SEDONA BEAUTIFUL.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING THE INTENTION BEHIND THAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO CLARIFY TO CRAIG'S LETTER OF THAT THEY AREN'T, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL KSB AS AN ORGANIZATION IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT, UM, AT THE, AND THEY HAVEN'T HEARD FROM Y'ALL THAT, THAT THAT'S CORRECT AND CORRECT.
SO, SO IN OUR LOI, WE SEPARATED, UH, SOME OF OUR CERCA, WE SEPARATE OUR CER CERTIFICATION PROGRAMS, ONE BEING COMMITMENTS TO ACHIEVE, AND THEN ANOTHER CATEGORY OF WE WILL WORK WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE FUTURE, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WONDERFUL PROGRAM, UH, THAT ASSISTS LANDOWNERS WITH DARK SKY, UH, CONCEPTS.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE A WONDERFUL PROGRAM, UH, THAT, UH, KEEPS THE CREEK CLEAN AND, UH, GO OUT AND, UH, PICK UP LITTER.
SO THEY HAVE WONDERFUL PROGRAMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE WITH OUR OPERATION.
SO THAT FALLS UNDER THE CATEGORY OF WILL WORK TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS WORDED IN THE LOI, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING.
UM, AND THEN THIS JUST MIGHT BE A, WHY IS LEAD CERTIFIED IN QUOTATIONS ON YOUR SLIDE? IS THAT HOW IT'S, IS IT, ARE YOU LIKE QUOTING 'CAUSE IT'S A PROPER NAME AND OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE THINGS TO MEET LEED CERTIFICATION BUT NOT GET LEAD CERTIFIED? I JUST WANT TO, I KNOW TONY, I CAN TAKE THAT ONE.
I JUST WANNA KNOW WHY IT'S QUOTES.
OH, I THINK IT WAS, UM, LEAD CERTIFIEDS IN QUOTES BECAUSE IT'S, IT THAT IS A CERTIFICATION.
IT COULD BEEN SILVER AND THERE'S PLATINUM AND SUCH.
IT JUST FELT LIKE LEAD CERTIFIED AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, APOLOGIES, I WANTED MAKE SURE THE SEMANTIC, THAT WASN'T THE NO, IT IS LEAD CERTIFIED AND IT IS THE SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES THAT CAN BE, SO YOU'LL GET THE ACTUAL CERTIFICATION, NOT JUST MEET THE, THAT IS THE COM.
ONE FINAL QUESTION, I GUESS I'M STILL BEATING THE SAME HORSE.
DID YOU LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF WHICH WE DO IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF REUSING EITHER ONE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, EITHER FOR EMPLOYEE HOUSING OR FOR A HOTEL UNIT OR FOR A GALLERY ITSELF? IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION ALSO IN THE INTERIOR RIGHT COURSE.
AND THAT'S, I I WOULD BELIEVE THAT WORK WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO SALVAGE THE HISTORY, THE HISTORICAL COMPONENTS.
THOSE TWO WORDS WILL GO TOGETHER.
SO YOU DIDN'T REALLY EVALUATE WHETHER YOU COULD REUSE IT? UH, THAT, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S THE STANDARD YOU WANTED.
YOU WOULD SALVAGE THE MATERIALS.
ANYBODY ELSE? JUST ONE QUICK ONE.
UH, SO CARRIE, IS, IS THERE ANY LEGAL STATUS OF THE FOUR ACRES? IT IS NOT BEING DEVELOPED.
IS IT DEEDED OR WILL IT CONTINUE TO BE OWNED? WELL THERE, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT, RIGHT? IF THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING, IT, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WOULD BE CONTINUED TO BE OWNED BY THE APPLICANT AND OR PROPERTY OWNER, AND IT WOULD NEED TO STAY AS IT'S SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
THE CFA PLAN DOES SUGGEST THAT IF THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COULD CREATE A CONSERVATION THING OR WHERE THE PROPERTY COULD BE DEEDED TO THE CITY THAT'S NOT SET UP RIGHT NOW AND IS NOT BEING CONTEMPLATED.
BUT IF THAT WERE A POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE, IT, IT COULD HAPPEN.
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OKAY.UM, LET'S LOOK IT UP FOR PUBLIC.
CAN WE GET A BREAK? SURE, PLEASE.
WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK AT, UM, SIX 40.
SO WHAT DOES HE PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE, OF THIS, UM, AGENDA ITEM.
AND I HAVE PROBABLY A DOZEN OR MORE CARDS I'LL CALL THEM IN THE ORDER THAT I HAVE, THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN TO ME.
AND IF YOU'LL COME TO THE MICROPHONE, SAY YOUR NAME PLEASE AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
YOU CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS OF US, UH, BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE US ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS.
AND THERE'S A TIMER ON THE WALL IF YOU WANNA KEEP AN EYE ON THAT.
SO MY FIRST CARD, UH, PERSON IS, UH, CHRISTINE WAGNER, AND SHE'S FOLLOWED BY MIRIAM KERLEY.
CHRISTINE, ARE YOU IN THE ROOM? YES, I AM.
AND I BELIEVE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE IS GONNA DONATE.
IF YOU'LL GO UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE AND USE THE MIC.
THANK WELL, MY VOICE PROJECTS PRETTY FAR.
WE ARE OUT THERE, BUT, BUT WE NEED IT ON A RECORDING.
I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST, THERE'S A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WHO'S WILLING TO DONATE THEIR SPEAKING TIME TO ME.
THEY SPILLED OUT A FILLED OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND I'D LIKE TO THAT TIME WHAT THAT NAME? WHAT IS THAT NAME? TYRONE LEY.
WE CAN'T BORROW TIME FROM OTHERS.
ARE YOU NOW, WE'VE JUST BEEN HERE LISTENING TO THE PROJECT APPLICANT AND ALL OF YOU FOR THE LAST TWO HOURS.
WE'VE ALL BEEN SITTING HERE TOGETHER.
AND, AND WE NEED, PLEASE STOP THE CLOCK.
WE WERE DOING AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, EVERYBODY.
OKAY, LET'S START, LET'S START THE CLOCK AGAIN, PLEASE THEN, AND EVERYONE THAT FOLLOWS YOU WILL ALSO HAVE THE SAME THREE MINUTES.
CAN WE, CAN WE START THE CLOCK AGAIN, PLEASE? PARDON ME? YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO THAT'S TERRIFIC.
LET ME, UM, REMIND THIS PLANNING COMMISSION THAT YOU HAVE, IT'S, UM, EXCUSE YOUR OBLIGATION IS, EXCUSE ME, WOULD YOU EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING? WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE? CAN YOU PLEASE START THE CLOCK AGAIN? NO, NO.
I HAVE A RESIDENCE HERE IN SEDONA WITH MY FAMILY.
I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MORE FIF MORE THAN 50 FAMILY MEMBERS.
AND WE'RE SPEAKING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE.
YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO, UM, TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT IN THE TOTALITY.
YOU HAVE A PROJECT TO APPLY THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO THIS PROJECT, THIS TYPE AND SCALE BASED UPON THAT THIS, THE TYPE AND SCALE OF THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT HERE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS UNIQUE AND SENSITIVE LOCATION.
IN FACT, IT IS THE UNIQUENESS AND NATURAL BEAUTY OF THIS UN UNDERDEVELOPED LOCATION OF THIS PROMPTED THE FORMER PROPERTY OWNER AND THIS OUT-OF-STATE DEVELOPER TO GO SO FAR AS TO HAVE THE ZONING CODE CHANGED TO ALLOW FOR THIS VERY PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL USE IN THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR HAS NOW BEEN CHANGED TO ALLOW FOR DISNEY STYLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND HIGH IMPACT ACCESSORY USES OF THE PROPERTY THAT ARE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE FORMER AND EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES THAT TO PERMANENTLY DESTROY THE BEAUTY AND TRANQUILITY OF THIS LOCATION ON
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OAK CREEK IN THE HEART OF SEDONA, IT IS THE OBLIGATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROJECT IS, AND THIS IS A MANDATORY SHALL, THE PROJECT SHALL BE CONSISTENT AND CONFORM WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN AND OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS.NOW, IT'S NOT LOST ON US THAT THE DEVELOPER HERE AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE SITTING ALL NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND PATTING EACH OTHER'S BACK.
IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE RECOMMENDING THIS PROJECT AS TOTALLY IN COMPLIANCE.
WHEN I HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS PROJECT COMPARED TO THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE CITY CODE AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
SO WHY HAS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NOT DONE THEIR JOB ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS? YOU HAVE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW HERE FOR THIS PROJECT AND, UH, I HOPE YOU EXERCISE IT ON THE BASE ON THIS BASIS ALONE.
THE PROJECT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA AND MUST BE DENIED.
I'VE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS TO YOU, ALL OF YOU PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS IN THE PAST TWO DAYS, LETTING YOU KNOW HOW THIS IS NOT COMPLIANT, UM, IN MANY, MANY WAYS.
AND I NEED MORE THAN THREE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT YOU SHOULD BE DENYING THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S TOO MANY QUESTIONS, THERE'S TOO MANY ADMISSIONS, AND YOU BETTER NOT MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT ON THIS OTHER THAN DENYING THIS PROJECT.
MIRIAM WECKER LEE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TY WECKER.
I, I'D LIKE TO USE HIS MINUTES IF THAT'S NO.
AND, UH, YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE? UM, I OWN A HOME AT TWO 90 BARE WALLOW.
AND MY NAME IS MIRIAM WECKER LEE, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED A NEW WATER MAIN FROM A FOUR INCH TO AN EIGHT INCH AND I ASSUME IT'S GONNA GO ALONG S NEBBY HILL.
IS THAT THE CASE? BECAUSE IF IT IS HOW MANY TREES AND MUCH DISRUPTION AND HOW MUCH DIGGING WITH BACKHOES TO PUT IN A BRAND NEW MAIN JUST TO PROVIDE FOR YOUR RESORT, WE'RE FINE THERE, BUT IT'S JUST FOR YOUR RESORT.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
IF THE, IF THE MEN WOULD BE SO KIND AS TO, TO SHARE THAT WITH ALL OF US HERE TONIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WILL AFFECT ALL OF US.
DO YOU HAVE AN AN, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER, BOB? WE CAN WHEN, EXCUSE ME, WE, UH, DON'T, UH, ASK QUESTIONS, UH, DURING THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, BUT WE ARE NOTING THEM SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO THEM AFTER WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
MY OTHER BIG CONCERN IS THAT THEY HAVE WATER RIGHTS ON THREE PARCELS TO PUMP WATER FROM OAK CREEK, PUMP WATER FROM OAK CREEK FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE IN THE AMOUNT OF, OF TREES AND PLANTS.
HOW MUCH WATER PER GALLON DO THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PUMP OUT OF THAT CREEK? AND DO THEY HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE? AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE PLANTING AND ZONING, THIS CITY IS ALL ABOUT THE RED ROCKS AND THE OAK CREEK AND THEY COULD PUMP IT DRY WITH THEIR PROJECT BECAUSE NO ONE'S ASKED THEM THAT QUESTION.
AND WHEN THEY BROUGHT UP THE PART ABOUT THEY, THEY MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WATER USAGE IN THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
YOU ALSO IN THE CFA PLAN, IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR A MEETING ROOM AS AN EVENT CENTER.
IT'S NOT IN HERE AND IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT HERE.
THE OTHER ITEM, AND, AND TO BE NOTED, MR. OLSON IS ONE OF THE HOW A BOY WITH A HAMMER.
THIS IS A FORBES ARTICLE FROM 2021 BECAME ONE OF THE AMERICA'S TOP HOTEL BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS.
DO WE WANT THAT IN SEDONA? FOR WHO? FOR MARRIOTT.
MARRIOTT HAS CALLED HIM, UH, THE INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE YEAR TWICE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
HE'S BUILT OVER 50 HOTELS AND PROJECTS FOR MARRIOTT AND HYATT.
IS THIS WHAT WE WANT? IS THIS WHAT WE REALLY WANT IN THIS CITY? AND THE TRAFFIC? OH MY GOD, IF WE HAD A FIRE BETWEEN THE RV PARK, THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA THAT LIVE ON SIBLEY HILL IN BARE WALLOW WOULD NEVER GET OUT ON A SATURDAY NIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE A WEDDING GOING ON AND YOU HAVE THE RESTAURANT FULL AND THE THERE IS NO WAY IT WOULD BE TRAGIC.
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CAN'T GET OUT.AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WANTING IN THIS CITY.
UH, THEN NEXT, UH, MICHELLE THOMAS, FOLLOWED BY MARY BIRD.
HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHELLE THOMAS.
MY GRANDPA BUILT HIS HOUSE IN THE EIGHTIES IN SEDONA BEFORE IT WAS EVEN INCORPORATED.
UM, HE, EVERY YEAR WE COME UP HERE, IT GETS WORSE AND WORSE.
AND THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S ONLY GONNA MAKE IT WORSE.
UM, AS FAR AS THEY TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND PRESERVING IT, THEY PULLED, UM, RIGHTS TO GET 9 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER FROM THE CREEK A YEAR.
THEY PULLED IT WITH THIS SIT STATE OF ARIZONA AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE RECORD WHERE THEY PULLED FOR IT.
SO WHAT IN THE HECK ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH 9 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR? WHY WOULD THEY PULL TO HAVE THAT MUCH? THE ONLY HISTORY THEY CARE ABOUT IS USING THE WATER RIGHTS FROM 1910 TO PULL THEM.
UM, THERE'S TWO PATHS AND THEY'RE ON BARE WALLOW LANE.
THOSE TWO PATHS DON'T CONNECT.
SO ARE THEY GONNA BE TRESPASSING? WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE GONNA GO? UM, IN ADDITION TO THEIR PATH, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR, THEIR DRIVEWAY TO GET INTO THEIR PROPERTY.
YET THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE TRAFFIC.
SO THESE CARS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE MAKING LEFT TURNS TO GET INTO A PARKING LOT ARE GONNA BE HINDERED BY PEDESTRIANS WALKING ACROSS.
IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME THING AS THE CROSSWALK WE ALREADY HAVE.
THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS A PATH FOR EVERYONE TO USE, YET IT'S GONNA GET IN THE WAY OF CARS.
THERE'S ALREADY A BACKUP MILES LONG AT THAT ROUNDABOUT.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE WAITING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN AND HAVE PEOPLE WALKING BY WITH THIS PATH THAT THEY'RE SENDING IT TO THE CREEK, BUT IS GONNA BE PORTA-POTTIES.
WHERE ARE THE TRASH FROM THESE INDIVIDUALS GOING? THEY HAVE NO PLANS FOR THAT EXCEPT, HEY, YOU GET A CREEK WALK THAT DOESN'T EVEN CONNECT.
THERE ARE TWO PATH STOP HALFWAY DOWN BARE WALLOW AND THEN RECONNECT AT THE CREEK.
UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IT WAS DONE IN MARCH OF 21.
THE COVID RESTRICTIONS WERE LIFTED IN JUNE OF 21.
SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE WHEN RESTRICTIONS WERE STILL IN PLACE.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SEDONA WAS AT ITS BUSIEST IF THERE WAS RESTRICTIONS STILL IN PLACE.
UM, THE UPGRADING OF THE WATER MAIN, ARE THEY GONNA CLOSE S NEBBY HILL IS IT GONNA BE DOWN TO ONE WAY.
HOW ARE WE GONNA GET IN DURING THAT TIME? I MEAN, THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS AS NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE BEHIND THIS.
WE ARE GONNA BE THE ONES SUFFERING.
WE'RE GONNA BE THE ONES THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO GET INTO OUR HOUSE.
WE ALREADY WAIT IN HOURS OF TRAFFIC AS IT IS.
AND THIS IS ONLY GONNA MAKE IT WORSE.
THEY HAVE A GUEST HOTEL OF 70 ROOMS. THEY'RE SAYING 6,900 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT IS GONNA HAVE 106 PEOPLE.
EACH PERSON NEEDS 60 SQUARE FEET OF A RESTAURANT.
WHAT'S THEIR FIRE CODE GONNA BE? WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF IT? WHERE'S THE OVERFLOW PARKING GONNA GO? BECAUSE IN 90 PARKING SPOTS, 70 ROOM, I MEAN, IT'S AT LEAST 70 CARS.
YOU HAVE WHAT, 20, 30 EMPLOYEES LIKE THEY'RE PUTTING THIS BEST CASE SCENARIO FORWARD, BUT THAT'S NOT THE TRUE CASE OF THE MATTER.
THE TRUE CASE OF THE MATTER IS THEY'RE BULLSHITTING.
THEY ARE MAKING IT LOOK THE BEST THEY CAN IN ORDER TO GET THIS THROUGH.
AND AS SOON AS IT'S THROUGH, THEY'RE GONNA JUST KEEP BLOWING IT UP AND MOVING FORWARD AND DOING WHATEVER THEY CAN TO MAKE IT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.
AND IT'S NOT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA, IT'S FOR TOURISM.
AND AS THE PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR SEDONA, YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT RESIDENTS NOT TOURISM.
THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS AT FULL VACANCY.
MARY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY NATE MYERS.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, UNINCORPORATED YBA PI COUNTY, AND I'M SENSITIVE TO ALL THE CRITICISMS AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, ET CETERA.
AND WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, I THOUGHT, OH DEAR, ANOTHER HOTEL.
BUT THEN I FOLLOWED WHAT, UH, HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND HOW THEY HAVE AMENDED THEIR PLAN.
AND I CERTAINLY THINK, AND I ALSO FOLLOWED A BIT ON THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN WHEN IT WAS BEING DEVELOPED.
AND I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT, AFTER LOOKING ONLINE AT WHAT, AT WHAT IT CONTAINS AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE CHANGED, THAT IT CERTAINLY, IT FITS IN WITH THE SY SEDONA FOCUS AREA PLAN.
UH, I WAS LOOKING, I PARTICULARLY NOTED THE AESTHETICS AND HOW THEY'RE KEEPING THE LOCAL CHARACTER IN HISTORY AND THE VIEWS THERE.
UH, ART AND ARCHITECTURE ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE VOLUNTEERISM, I WAS A DOCENT WITH THE CHICAGO ART, UH, ARCHITECTURE FOUNDATION.
AND OVER THE YEARS, I VOLUNTEERED AT HISTORIC, UH, HO HOUSES AND, UH, HISTORIC AREAS IN DIFFERENT PARTS.
AND I, I REALLY LIKE HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE STRUCTURES IN TUNE WITH THE
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HERITAGE AREA OF THAT.UH, ALSO, NUMBER TWO, THE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT.
WE ALL KNOW WE NEED MORE OF THAT IN TOWN.
AND NUMBER THREE, UH, TRAFFIC.
I KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE, BUT I, I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING A SHUTTLE.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WORK IN HOTELS IN THIS TOWN, AND IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING TO GET A SURVEY ON HOW MANY PROVIDE A SHUTTLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MANY OF THEM DO PROVIDE SHUTTLES FOR THE GUESTS.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE CITY WOULD FIND OUT JUST HOW MANY ARE DOING THAT.
UH, I THINK WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THE HOTELS, THEY WANNA PARK THEIR CAR AND STAY, AND HERE THEY CAN WALK TO TILLOCK AND CAN WALK TO UPTOWN VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER HOTELS THEY HAVE TO GET IN THEIR CAR AND GO ELSEWHERE.
SO I THINK THAT AND THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU, UH, AS, UH, MS. LOVELY POINTED OUT, UH, THE TRAFFIC SHOWED THAT IF THERE WERE HOUSES THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE MORE TRAFFIC.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD ARGUMENT TO ME.
AND THEN NUMBER FOUR, SUSTAINABILITY.
I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE RESEARCH AND THEIR PLANS FOR SUSTAINABILITY, BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TOO.
SO IN GENERAL, I THINK I'M VERY, UH, IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AS IT STANDS.
NATE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SEAN SMITH BUSINESS.
UH, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW ME AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM.
THANK YOU FOR THE SHOUT OUT EARLIER.
UM, I'M ALSO THE VICE CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, AND I WAS ASKED THIS MORNING BY CHAIR, UH, BRYN UNGER OF THAT COMMISSION TO PASS ALONG HER REGRETS THAT SHE CAN'T BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON, UH, THIS EVENING.
NOW, UH, AS A STEWARD OF OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO VERY BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.
UM, AND NOTE THAT THE HISTORY OF ANY COMMUNITY IS WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE.
JOSEPH AND SARAH JEAN FARLEY HOMESTEADED THE SITE IN OR AROUND 1907, THEY SAID ABOUT DIGGING A SERIES OF IRRIGATION DITCHES TO BRING WATER TO ORCHARDS OF PLUM PEAR, APPLE, AND PEACH TREES.
IN 1915, THE FARLEYS LEFT SEDONA FOR THE OIL FIELDS, FIELDS OF TEXAS, BUT RETURNED IN 1924 AND REPURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
BY THE LATE 1940S, MILDRED JOHNSON AND HER HUSBAND HARRY, LIVED AT 95 SHIBLEY HILL ROAD.
MILDRED WAS A FASCINATING CHARACTER, HAVING WORKED AS A SECRETARY FOR FAME NOVELIST, ZANE GRAY.
GRAY, OF COURSE, WAS AN IMPORTANT, HAS AN IMPORTANT HISTORY IN SEDONA AND OAK CREEK CANYON, WHERE HE WROTE CALL OF THE CANYON.
AND WHERE THAT MOVIE AS COMMISSION OR CHAIR LEVIN MENTIONED WAS, WAS, UH, SHOT MILDRED PASSED AWAY IN 1974 AND WAS BURIED IN TUCSON AFTER MEMORIAL SERVICE AT SEDONAS CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS.
NOW IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT NANCY BURGESS HAS SUBMITTED HER AUTHORITATIVE OPINION THAT DUE TO NUMEROUS CHANGES TO THE BUILDING AT 95 SIBLEY HILL ROAD, THAT IT NO LONGER MAINTAINS HISTORICAL INTEGRITY.
THAT MEANS IT IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION LANDMARKING.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEVELOPER AND LISTENING TO YOU GUYS TODAY, UH, IS PROPOSING A PROJECT TO SALVAGE SOME OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, AND USE THEM ON SITE.
IN MY OPINION, UM, THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.
IF SAVING THE BUILDING IS NOT AN OPTION, UH, I APPLAUD THE DEVELOPER FOR INCLUDING INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE TO SHARE THE UNIQUE HISTORY OF THE SITE WITH RESORT GUESTS.
IF SAID PANELS COULD BE DEVELOPED IN SUCH A WAY AS TO MATCH OR COMPLIMENT THE FORTHCOMING UPTOWN HISTORY WALK, IT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT RESOURCE FOR GUESTS AND OTHER VISITORS, AND COULD HELP DRAW RESORT GUESTS TO WALK UPTOWN FOLLOWING THE HISTORY, WALK TO SHOPPING AND DINING AMENITIES.
UM, AND, UH, I GAVE YOU MY CARD JUST NOW.
I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS, UH, ON THE INTERPRETIVE PANELS AND ON, I BELIEVE YOU'RE CALLING IT YOUR HERITAGE GALLERY.
UM, AND, AND SEE IT A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN YOU GUYS AND, UH, AND THE MUSEUM.
SEAN SMITH LEFT STEVE, UH, IT MAY, UH, SIEGEL PERHAPS, UM, FOLLOWED, FOLLOWED BY MARK 10 BOOK.
I HAVE ANOTHER CARD FROM STEVE NER.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS, OH, MAYBE THIS IS, LET'S SEE.
NO, I CAN'T, I CAN'T READ IF IT'S CIGNA OR NOT, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER CARD HERE.
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YEAH.THIS IS A DIFFERENT STEVE THAT'S NOT HERE.
HI, MY NAME'S MARK BROOK, AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA.
UH, I'M HERE TODAY IN OPPOSITION OF THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE HOTEL.
I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT CLEARLY DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THE SCHLEY CFA.
UH, VERY SPECIFICALLY, THE FIRST REQUIREMENT IS THAT DEVELOPMENTS MUST MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTERS, SCENIC VIEWS, NATURAL RESOURCES, AND DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS SCENIC SETTING IN ITS IDEAL LOCATION FOR LOW INTENSITY LODGING, SMALL INTIMATE OPTIONS LIKE COTTAGES AND CABINS.
WHILE THE DEVELOPER CONTINUES TO CALL THEIR LARGE STRUCTURES ON THE SITE COTTAGES AND CABINS, THEY'RE CLEARLY NOT THAT.
THESE ARE LARGE MULTI-STORE SUITES THAT INCLUDES LARGE AMOUNTS OF FLOOR TO CEILING GLASS, AND SEVERAL BUILDINGS INCLUDE ELEVATORS TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT PERSONALLY, I'VE NEVER SEEN A COTTAGE OR A CABIN WITH AN ELEVATOR.
I'VE ALSO SUGGESTED THAT IF YOU WANNA SEE A COTTAGE OR A CABIN IN SEDONA, YOU JUST NEED TO DRIVE UP OAK CREEK CANYON.
DOWN HALLS CABINS ARE A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THESE SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
NOT THESE LARGE, MODERN STRUCTURES THAT ARE DEPICTED IN THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE MORE OF A HOME IN A COMMUNITY LIKE BEVERLY HILLS.
SECOND REQUIREMENT IN THE CFA IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BEST PROTECT OAK CREEK.
AND THE SURROUNDING RIPARIAN HABITAT MAINTAINS THE OAK CREEK FLOODWAY IN A NATURAL STATE WITH ONLY MINOR IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE CORRIDOR.
THE MINOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN A RIPARIAN, UH, CORRIDOR ARE THE OPERATIVE WORDS HERE FOR THIS DESIGN.
THE DEVELOPER HAS DECIDED TO DEFINE THE CORRIDOR AS THE FLOODWAY, AND THEY'VE PLACED MOST OF THE BUILDINGS RIGHT UP TO THAT BOUNDARY.
IN SEVERAL CASES, UH, PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING EXTEND OUT OVER THE ZONE, THEN THEY MERELY HAVE ELEVATED STRUCTURES ABOVE THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
I WOULD REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR INCLUDES NOT JUST THE FLOODWAY, BUT THE FLOOD PLAIN AND THE UPLAND TERRESTRIAL ECOSYSTEMS THAT DEPENDS ON THE PERENNIAL WATERS OF OAK CREEK.
THE TREE SURVEY, CLEARLY, UH, THE TREE SURVEY DEVELOPED BY THE DEVELOPER CLEARLY SHOWS THAT RIPARIAN TREES AND SHRUBS EXTEND UP TO AND BEYOND THE 5,500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THEREFORE, I BELIEVE THAT ALL BUILDINGS AND PATHWAYS NEED TO BE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE ZONE.
AND I ALSO NOTICED THE CFA SHOWED NO BUILDINGS IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
THEREFORE, THIS DEVELOPMENT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE CFA GUIDELINES BY RIGHT.
THE DEVELOPER CAN BUILD ON THIS SITE, BUT ONLY IF THEY BUILD SUCH, IF THEY BUILD SMALLER STRUCTURES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE RIP REPAIR CORRIDOR.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND, UH, COUNSELORS.
I MEAN, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WRONG NIGHT.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF SEDONA RESIDENCE UNITE.
YOU SHOULD HAVE A PETITION IN YOUR PACKET THAT HAS 350 SIGNATURES FROM RESIDENTS.
THAT IS, THOSE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR ORGANIZATION, AND WE'RE ASKING YOU NOT TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE RESIDENCES OF SEDONA DEPEND UPON YOU TO HOLD THE STANDARDS DEFINED IN ZONING AND CFA DOCUMENTS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT TYPICALLY CFAS ARE GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS.
BUT CARRIE READ RIGHT OUT OF THE, UH, THE WEBSITE WHERE I FOUND IT.
THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE DISTRICT ZONING IS INTENDED TO ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THE SCHLEY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CFA VISION.
I WON'T READ THE REST JUST TO SAVE TIME, BUT THERE'S TWO THINGS IN IT.
PRESERVATION OF THE OAK CREEK RIPARIAN CORRIDOR, WHICH MARK SPOKE TO, AND I'LL PICK UP ON THAT.
AND MODESTLY SCALED BUILDINGS.
SO LET'S TAKE A MINUTE TO LOOK AT THE BEAUTIFUL ARTWORK OVER HERE OF THIS WONDERFUL WHITE DOG.
ISN'T THAT A BEAUTIFUL WHITE DOG? YOU DON'T SEE THE DOG SECOND FROM THE LEFT.
IT'S NOT A DOG, IS IT? IT'S A HORSE.
I CAN CALL IT A DOG FOR DAYS AND DAYS AND DAYS.
BUT IF I ASK TO COME TO DINNER AND BRING MY DOG, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA LET ME BRING THEM IN THE HOUSE.
WELL, THE, THEY KEEP CALLING THESE COTTAGES.
THESE ARE NOT COTTAGES IN THE CFA, THERE'S A PICTURE, THERE'S SIX OF THEM.
NICE COLOR PICTURES OF CADAGE, UH, CABBAGES.
THOSE ARE COTTAGES AND CABINS.
SO LET'S GET BACK TO REALITY HERE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE, UM, PRESERVATION OF THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR.
MARK STARTED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS
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THE CRITERIA.I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT HE SPOKE TO ONE.
AND I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE THE TIME TO FIND AN EXPERT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT DESTROYING THEIR HABITAT UNINTENTIONALLY.
SO FOR THIS REASON, WE REALLY FEEL THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE CFA.
THIS PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE FEW LEFT ON OAK CREEK.
UH, PLEASE DON'T ALLOW IT TO BE DISRESPECTED.
SACRIFICE TO THE GREED OF AN OUTSIDE DEVELOPER.
PLEASE PROTECT THIS PROPERTY CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS THAT WE ASK YOU TO UPHOLD FOR THE SAKE OF THE RESIDENCE.
WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MAX LESCHER.
HI, MY NAME IS STEVE EGNER OF 95 PORTAL LANE, UM, 25 YEAR RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION IN SEDONA, PAST PRESIDENT OF THE SEDONA LODGING COUNCIL AND MEMBER OF THE HPC, UH, PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK PRO OR CON TO THIS, UH, HOTEL TONIGHT.
'CAUSE AS A HOTEL OWNER, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
WHAT I WANNA SPEAK TO IS SOMETHING I THINK WAS OVERLOOKED.
UM, THIS HOTEL WAS IN WALKING DISTANCE WITH A WALKING PASS TO THE HEART OF SEDONA.
AS A HOTEL OWNER IN THE AREA, I FIND ALL MY CUSTOMERS WALK TO DINNER EVERY NIGHT.
THEY WALK IN THE MORNING FOR BREAKFAST.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A WALKING STUDY OR WE TALKED ABOUT WALKING, BUT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE AREA TO WALK TO AND FROM.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED A LONG TIME WITH A, A SEDONA, UM, HISTORY WALK IN 89 A I'M THE ONE THAT STARTED IT AND GOT IT GOING.
AND THE, THE GOAL WAS, IS WHEN SOMEBODY GOES TO A HOTEL, THEY NEVER GET BACK IN THEIR CAR.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY GOAL AND KNOWS WHAT I WORK FOR.
I THINK THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN MOVE, GO TO THIS HOTEL, PARK THEIR CAR, TAKE AN ELECTRIC BIKE, TAKE A BIKE WALK, PICK UP A TRAM, AND STARTING THIS JUNE, THIS, UH, SEDONA IS GONNA START IT'S DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE.
I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT YET, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO USE A CELL PHONE, CALL UP A VAN TO PICK YOU UP, TAKE YOU TO DINNER, TAKE YOU BACK, TAKE YOU TO YOUR DOCTOR, OR TAKE YOU IN MOST AREAS OF THE TOWN.
SO I THINK SEDONA HAS GONE A LONG WAY IN TRANSPORTATION, AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO INCORPORATE THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUILDING IT.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY, WE'RE TAXING OUR VISITORS FOR IT.
AND I THINK THAT I WANTED TO BRING IT UP TONIGHT.
I THINK THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY I THINK IS FAIR AND FINE, AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH TRAFFIC.
MAX LECHER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY RANDY.
AND I'VE BEEN IN A UNIQUE POSITION TO THINK ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR A WHILE.
FIRST AS A NEIGHBOR, SECOND AS A PARTICIPANT IN THE CFA PLANNING PROCESS.
THIRD IS A CITIZEN OBER, OBSERVING AND COMMENTING ON THE IMPLEMENTATION TOOLS DEVELOPED BY CITY STAFF AND ALSO AS AN ARCHITECT AND PLANNER MYSELF, WHO'S WRESTLED WITH THESE ISSUES FROM BOTH SIDES AND PERSPECTIVES BEFORE.
AND THEN AGAIN, AS A NEIGHBOR OBSERVING AND COMMENTING ON THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
IT, IT WOULD BE WRONG TO SAY THAT I HAVEN'T STRUGGLED WITH MY OWN FEELINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
AND IN MANY WAYS IT IS REINFORCED MY OPINION THAT TRYING TO LEGISLATE A PARTICULAR DESIRED OUTCOME IN THIS CASE, THAT OF PRESERVING THE HISTORIC AND AGRICULTURAL CHARACTER OF AN AREA IS FRAUGHT WITH GREAT DIFFICULTY AT BEST.
THAT SAID, ALTHOUGH THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I ENVISIONED WHEN WORKING IN THE CFA PLANNING PROCESS, MM-HMM
THESE DAYS I'VE OBSERVED WHAT MANY OWNERS, DESIGNERS, AND OTHER BUILDERS ARE DOING WITH SMALL RESIDENTIAL LOTS THESE DAYS, FILLING SETBACK TO SMALL SETBACK, GOING TWO STORY MAXIMIZING THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. GIVEN THAT WE STILL HAVE NO CONTROL OVER AIRBNBS, I FEEL THAT A WELL-MANAGED HOTEL, EVEN IN THIS CONFIGURATION, WILL BE BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN THE ALTERNATIVE.
IT'S AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR VISITORS TO STAY, AS STEVE HAS MENTIONED, WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF SHOPS, GALLERIES, AND RESTAURANTS, EVEN TRAILHEADS AND CLOSE ENOUGH TO BOTH EXISTING AND A FUTURE EXPANDED SHUTTLE SERVICE.
GIVEN THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE HUNG IN THIS FAR AND WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL
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THE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA ARE MET, WE'RE LEFT WITH A SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENT ABOUT WHETHER THIS FEELS HISTORIC ENOUGH AND IF THE LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE REALLY WORKS TO PRESERVE THE AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE OR NOT.WHILE I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH THE FEELINGS ABOUT CHANGE THAT SOME HAVE EXPRESSED, I DO FEEL THAT IN THE BALANCE WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT THROUGH THEIR DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO REFINE AND IMPROVE SOME OF THE LINGERING CIRCULATION PATHWAY LANDSCAPE AND GRADING ISSUES THAT REMAIN.
LEGAL RESIDENCE IS IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX.
UM, I AM A HOTEL OWNER AND UNLIKE STEVE, I'M GONNA SPEAK FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, LOCAL, YES, I OWN THE BEST WESTERN AURORA ROBLES IN UPTOWN.
I ALSO OWN A HOTEL IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK.
THERE'S NOTHING I WOULD LIKE TO DO MORE THAN OPPOSE THIS PROJECT AND HAVE NO MORE HOTELS IN MY MARKET.
BUT I ALSO WAS INVOLVED IN THE CFA.
I'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF.
THEY DON'T GIVE ANYTHING AWAY.
I'M ON THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD.
I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE TOURISM ISSUE HERE IN THIS TOWN.
SO MY QUESTION WAS, AND I READ A LOT OF THIS LETTER OF INTENT AND A LOT OF THIS PACKAGE, UM, IT STRETCHES EVERY, UH, EVERY CRITERIA PROBABLY TO THE EDGE, BUT INSIDE THE LINES.
AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE ANYBODY'S GREEDY, IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT BUSINESS RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT SIZE, THE RIGHT SCALE, THE RIGHT CAPACITY TO BRING SOLUTIONS.
I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT EXECUTED PROJECT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, 'CAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL TO ME AS WELL.
AND, UH, IT IS IN THE, IT'S NAMED HERITAGE.
IT'S IN THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE AREA.
I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT YOU DO WITH THAT COTTAGE.
I'M EXCITED TO VISIT A HERITAGE MUSEUM THERE AND TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT.
SO I, I CAN OFFER MY SUPPORT TO THIS.
AND I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE POSITION OF THE COMMISSIONERS, AND I FEEL VERY BADLY FOR THE RESIDENTS.
I'M SITTING BACK THERE IN PAIN WITH THEM, MY BACK.
UM, BUT THIS IS A LEGAL CONFORMING USE BY ANY STANDARD.
SARAH WATTS, UH, FOLLOWED BY ALEC CHAPMAN.
CHAMAN? NOT SURE COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU HAVE ALLOWED ME TO SPEAK STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR YET ANOTHER LONG MEETING.
I AM HERE TO OPPOSE APPROVAL OF THE, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT.
AND I'M ALSO HERE TO SAY THAT I DISAGREE ON HOW THE STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE CFA AND THE LAND USE, UH, CODE.
I THINK IT'S BEEN EVALUATED IMPROPERLY.
I THINK IT'S BEEN STRETCHED NOT JUST TO THE EDGE, BUT OVERSTRETCHED IN TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL MEANING AS I READ IT, OF THE CFA.
UM, SOMEONE JUST READ THE CFAI WAS GONNA READ IT.
UM, I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO CONSTRUCTED THE CFA MEANT THE TERM DISTINCT IDENTITY FOR THIS PIECE OF LAND.
AND THEN THEY NAMED WHAT IT TOOK TO MAINTAIN THE DISTINCT IDENTITY OF THIS PIECE OF LAND AND THE PROJECT LEVELS THAT, IN MY OPINION.
FOR EXAMPLE, CRAIG SWANSON, WHO CALLED JUST NOW TO SAY, I THINK YOU SAID HE CALLED, UM, TO SAY THAT HIS, UH, THAT KEEPS IT ON A BEAUTIFULS NAME HAS BEEN USED INAPPROPRIATELY BOTH TONIGHT AND ON PAGE 70 AND 71 OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, BECAUSE HE KEEPS IT ON A BEAUTIFUL, IS AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
HE SAYS THAT, UM, ON THE SOUTH, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE SOUTHWEST FOUR BUILDINGS, THAT THOSE BUILDINGS, UM, THAT ARE THE CLOSEST TO THE CREEK IN THE PICTURE.
UM, THE BALCONIES ACTUALLY HANG OVER THE DROP OFF INTO THE CREEK.
SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PIERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO AND DURING THEIR CONSTRUCTION TO THE CREEK BED, BUT THIS IS CONSTRUCTION INSIDE A CREEK BED THAT SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED.
SO FOR PEOPLE INTERESTED IN PRESERVING THE CREEK, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I'M, I'M HAVING WITH THIS PROJECT IN, IN ADDITION IS THE WATER.
AND I DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER, BUT WE HERE IN SEDONA DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER WE HAVE IN OUR AQUIFER.
WE DON'T, WE DO KNOW HOW MUCH THE WATER COMPANY'S PULLING OUT OF THE AQUIFER,
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AND THEY SAY THAT'S, THAT'S DECLINING IN TERMS OF THEIR ABILITY TO, UM, TO REMOVE WATER FROM THE AQUIFER.I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPERS IN THIS LAND HAVE PUMPS.
THREE PUMPS IS IS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PUMP WATER OUT OF OAK CREEK.
AND MY LAST CONCERN, UM, IS IF YOU WOULD IMAGINE, UH, AN EVENT WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT, THERE ARE PEOPLE AT THE RESTAURANT, THERE'S A WEDDING, THERE ARE PEOPLE AT THE WEDDING, AND THERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TAKEN A ROOM IN THE HOTEL AND, UH, A FIRE HAPPENS OR EVACUATION IS NECESSARY FOR SOME REASON.
HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET OUT? HOW'S THE FIRETRUCK GONNA GET IN THERE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ALEC CHAPMAN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY LORI HUTCHINSON.
HI, MY NAME IS ALEC CHAPMAN AND I OWN THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AT 1 26 ASSEMBLY HILL ROAD.
I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA SINCE 2007.
I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL HERE, KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
SO THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO WAS ASK IF THE MEETING ROOM WILL BE USED FOR WEDDINGS.
UM, SO IT'S NOT A MEETING ROOM, IT'S A WEDDING VENUE.
IT'S A WEDDING VENUE, UM, WITH LOUD MUSIC, INDOOR AND OUTDOOR.
UM, SO CURRENTLY WHEN SOLOMON, THE GUITARIST WHO PLAYS AT CLARKS IN THE VILLAGE, AND HE PLAYS AT SECRET GARDEN CAFE, A LITTLE ACOUSTIC GUITAR WITH A LITTLE AMP.
I CAN HEAR THE, HIS MUSIC CLEARLY, WHERE I CAN NAME THE SONG HE'S PLAYING FROM MY PROPERTY THERE OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE TIMES WHEN LE BEARISH HAS A WEDDING.
IT'S 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND I HEAR THE MUSIC FROM LEBERTS INSIDE MY HOME.
I I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE RECORDINGS OF IT.
AND THEN MARY AND TIM KYLO NEXT DOOR TO ME HAVE SAID THE SAME THING, UM, AS WELL.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S THAT THE, OKAY, SO THE TRAFFIC, WE'VE ALREADY BEAT THAT TO DEATH IS ALREADY A HUGE ISSUE OVER THERE.
AND THEN I WANT TO BRING UP TWO, UM, AT ONE OF THEIR EVENTS, UH, OVER THAT THEY HOSTED, THERE WAS A WOMAN FROM BARE WALLOW THAT, UH, HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE SIXTIES.
MAYBE SOME PEOPLE MAY KNOW HER.
SHE SAID THAT PREVIOUS OWNER BEFORE DAVID, UM, THEY HAD DUG UP SOME INDIAN REMAINS.
SO, AND THEN THEY HAD BEEN COVERED UP.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, INDIAN REMAINS OR ANYTHING THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT, BUT I WANT TO BRING THAT UP.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY BEDS, UM, THEY DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT MANY OF THE ROOMS ARE TWO BEDROOM, UM, WITH A PULLOUT BED.
MY NEIGHBOR'S IN, UH, HER FIRE INSURANCE, HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE GOT DROPPED RECENTLY BECAUSE IT'S TOO HIGH RISK OF A FIRE.
SO, UM, I'M IMAGINING EVERYONE TRYING TO ESCAPE, YOU KNOW, FROM A POTENTIAL FIRE.
SO, UM, YEAH, UH, TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE.
BUT YEAH, IT'S JUST WAY TOO SENSITIVE OF A PROJECT.
UM, THE ANIMALS, EVERY DAY GO, COME FROM THE MOUNTAIN, SNOOPY ROCK AREA, THEY GO DOWN MY DRIVEWAY, THEY GO GET WATER, AND THEN THEY COME BACK.
I HAVE A RING CAMERA, I SEE THEM ALL DAY PASSING.
SO ABOUT 20 DEER, TWO HERDS OF JAVELINA.
SO WHERE HAVE ALL, WHERE ARE ALL THESE ANIMALS GONNA GO, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS THERE.
I MEAN, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
LAURIE HUTCHINSON IN THE ROOM? NO, UH, THE LAST CARD I HAD IS, UH, LAURA SHOPPER.
UM, I SAW ON ONE OF THE SLIDES, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT EMPLOYEE HOUSING AND I THINK I SAW FOUR UNITS, AND IF I'M CORRECT, I COULD BE INCORRECT.
I SAW THAT EACH UNIT IS 354 SQUARE FEET, SO I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE CONFIRMED.
AND HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE THEY? UM, ARE THE DEVELOPERS THINKING THAT WE'LL BE LIVING IN EACH UNIT? AND I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL THE DEVELOPMENT BE EMPLOYING ONCE IT'S ALL BUILT, AND WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING, ARE, WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE COMING FROM? AND, UM, I SAW SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER SLIDE ABOUT A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND COMPLYING WITH THAT.
AND I'M CURIOUS WHERE THAT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS COMING FROM.
AND LASTLY, MY CONCERNS ARE ABOUT
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THE FLORA AND FAUNA THAT WAS JUST EXPRESSED.I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO ANIMALS AND PLANTS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, SO I'M SPEAKING FOR THEM.
SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLO FLORA AND FAUNA IN THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ARCHEOLOGICAL HISTORY, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF BENEFITS TO THE LOCALS.
I HAVE NO OTHER CARDS AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND CARRIE AND I AND OTHERS WILL HAVE KEPT A LIST OF THE ITEMS THAT BOTH THE APPLICANT AND CITY STAFF CAN RESPOND TO.
UM, 9 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER HAS BEEN STATED AS BEING USED BY THE PROJECT.
UM, REQUEST FROM, UH, FROM THE CREEK, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.
UM, TWO PATHS ON BARE WALL CONFLICT BETWEEN CARS AND PEDESTRIANS, MUSIC SOUND, HOW WILL THAT BE MITIGATED? AND THE DESCRIPTION OF, UH, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE WORKING ONSITE AND HOW MANY FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES EQUIVALENTS THAT IS.
AND THE UNITS THEMSELVES, HOW MANY WILL THEY ACTUALLY HOUSE? HOW MUCH POTABLE WATER? EXCUSE ME, PLEASE.
I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU AGAIN TO STAY QUIET.
SO I CAN ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THOSE.
I THINK MOST OF THEM WOULD BE BETTER ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE CREEK IS HERE.
THE CITY DOES NOT GET INTO WATER RIGHTS.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE REVIEW FOR.
SO, UM, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS BETTER WHAT THEIR WATER RIGHTS FOR THE PROPERTY ARE.
THERE ARE, YES, THERE ARE PATHWAYS ALONG BOTH SNUBBY HILL ROAD AND BUILT BARE WALLOW.
THEY DO GO ACROSS DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY, THEY, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN'T.
UM, ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE SNUBBY HILL CFA WAS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS ALONG SNUBBY HILLS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, OF CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIANS ALONG THE PATH AND CARS TURNING IN.
BUT YOU, YOU CAN'T GO TO ZERO 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET ONTO THE PROPERTY SOMEHOW, AND PEOPLE HAVE TO WALK BY ON THE PATHWAY, UM, TO RE IT.
AND SO WHAT THEY HAVE IS ONE TWO WAY DRIVEWAY ALONG SNE HILL ROAD.
AND ONE THE, THE DRIVEWAY DOWN BY THE, AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SIDE IS ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.
SO, UM, BE ABLE TO, THAT THE DRIVEWAY ON BARE WALLOW IS A SECONDARY EMERGENCY EXIT, WHICH IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR VALET.
THE VAL, THE CARDS WOULD COME BACK UP TO THE LOBBY AND THEY WOULD EXIT OUT ON UBBLE HILL ROAD.
AND THAT'S A GATED AREA, ISN'T IT? YEAH.
AND SO IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED THAT THE BARE WALLOW DRIVEWAY WOULD BE USED ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT IT IS THERE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS IN CASE THEY NEED TO GET OUT THAT WAY.
UM, TO REITERATE, THE CREEK WALK, RIGHT NOW WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS AN EASEMENT THAT AGAIN, THE CITY WOULD NEED TO ASSEMBLE OTHER EASEMENTS ON OTHER PROPERTIES IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A CREEK WALK.
AND PART OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON A CREEK WALK, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE CFA PROCESS AND THROUGH OTHER PROJECTS, IS IF WE WERE GONNA DO THAT, WE'D, IT, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THE PRO, WHERE THE CREEK WALK WOULD CROSS THE CREEK, WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR ACCESSING IT, THAT PEOPLE HAVE THROWN OUT HOURS OF IN OR HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, MOST OF THE CREEK WALK, ALL OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE CREEK IS PRIVATELY HELD.
AND SO YOU'RE DEALING WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ALL HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT USE OF THE CREEK.
AND SO THERE'D BE A LOT OF WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, UNDERGONE IN COLLABORATION WITH ALL THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ACTUALLY MAKE THE CREEK WALK A REALITY.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS PROJECT IS GETTING THE EASEMENT SO THAT WE CAN START MAKING THAT CONNECTION AND START THAT PROCESS THERE.
UM, THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE, SOME BALCONIES OVER THE FLOODWAY.
THERE ARE NO PI, THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE FLOODWAY.
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I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL THAT REALLY DIRECTLY RELATES TO ME.I THINK I'LL, I WOULD TURN IT OVER TO TONY TO ANSWER THE REST OF IT, UNLESS YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING I MISSED THAT I SHOULD BE.
AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, EMPLOYEE HOUSING UNITS.
CHARLOTTE, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, ARCHEOLOGICAL THINK MIGHT BE
WELL, IS THERE A
IF THEY COME ACROSS 'EM, THEY TO STOP CONSTRUCTION AND CONTRACT AND CONTACT THE RIGHT AGENCIES.
SO WOULD THE, IS MY UNDERSTANDING NATIONAL ACT ABOUT ARCHEOLOGICAL REMAINS AND THEIR DISCOVERY PERTAIN TO PRIVATE PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT IT'S THE, UM, RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CONTRACTOR IF THEY COME ACROSS SOMETHING TO TAKE THE RIGHT PROCEDURES TO, WE MIGHT HAVE A SUBJECT AREA EXPERT IN THE ROOM AND I THINK THEY, TO SHUT DOWN, I'M GONNA DEVIATE FROM PROCESS, BUT DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS FOR? SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS STATE LAW THAT, UM, IF A CONTRACTOR ON A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT COMES ACROSS ANY, UH, REMAINS, THEY HAVE TO CEASE CONSTRUCTION IMMEDIATELY, UH, NOTIFY A DEPARTMENT OF THE STATE THAT WOULD SEND OUT AN ARCHEOLOGIST TO INVESTIGATE.
SO THE DISCOVERY OF SUCH ITEMS AS HUMAN REMAINS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ARTIFACTS, STRUCTURES OR ARTIFACTS OR ANYTHING WOULD IMMEDIATELY STOP.
AND I'VE, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN PART OF A PROJECT THAT HAD TO STOP FOR THAT.
SO UHHUH
I KNOW IT WAS DEVIATING FROM PROCEDURE THERE.
UM, SO I GUESS THE DEVELOPER SHOULD BE ON NOTICE SINCE THERE'S AN ASSERTION THAT THERE MAY BE, UH, REMAINS ON THE SAME AS A COMMERCIAL PROJECT.
IT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE USING A REGISTERED CONTRACTOR WHO WOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH ALLSTATE LAWS AROUND CONSTRUCTION.
TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING, EMPLOYEE HOUSING, YES.
THE, THE FIGURE THAT WAS SPOKEN IS THE AVERAGE, THE AVERAGE SIZE.
SOME WILL BE SMALLER, SOME WILL BE SLIGHTLY SMALLER.
UH, OTHERS WILL BE LARGER, NAMELY THE A DA HANDICAP UNIT.
HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE YOU ANTICIPATING BEING ABLE TO HOUSE THEN IN THOSE UNITS? TOTAL WE CAN SLEEP UP TO, IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT WE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SLEEP UP TO 10 EMPLOYEES.
WHEN YOU SAY SLEEP, WILL THEY HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A BED? OH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.
THEY, THEY ARE FULLY FUNCTIONAL, UH, APARTMENTS.
THEY'LL, THEY DO HAVE A KITCHEN.
SOME WILL HAVE BUNK BEDS, BUT DEPENDS, IT DEPENDS ON THE EMPLOYEE STATUS.
IF IT'S A COUPLE, OBVIOUSLY, UH, KING OR QUEEN BED WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED IF IT'S, YOU SAY HOW MANY EMPLOYEES YOU ANTICIPATED THAT THESE UNITS WOULD AC ACCOMMODATE UP TO 10 EMPLOYEES? 10 TOTAL? YES.
WERE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE YEAH, YOU WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH? CAN YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE 9 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT EQUATES TO, BUT, UH, WE HAVE THE RIGHTS, THE PROPERTY HAS THE RIGHTS OF, UM, 28 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
UM, CURRENTLY IT'S BEEN, IT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN USED FOR IRRIGATION.
THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED.
WE'RE NOT USING THE, WE HAVE NO ANTICIPATION OR, UM, WE'RE USING POTABLE WATER FROM THE CITY.
UH, SO IT'S BEING USED FOR IRRIGATION.
A MINIMAL, I I DOUBT THAT WE'RE COMING CLOSE TO THIS, WHAT OUR RIGHTS ARE.
THE CURRENT USE, IF YOU KNOW THE SITE, THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL GREEN LAWN, IT DENSE GRASS, NOT NATIVE.
AND THE, THE CREEK WATER IS USED TO IRRIGATE THAT LAWN ABOUT FOUR ACRES OF LAWN.
AND WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE WATER USAGE, BUT WE WILL ALSO IRRIGATE OUR LOW TOLERANCE OR DROUGHT TOLERANCE, UH, LOW WATER TYPE PLANTS.
YOU'LL BE, IT WOULD BE USED FOR IRRIGATION FOR, BUT, BUT OUR PLANT PALLET IS, IS NOT A THICK LAWN.
IT'S, IT'S MORE DROUGHT TOLERANT, LOW WATERING TYPE PLANTS.
AND I WOULD ACTUALLY, MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, I'D RATHER USE CREEK WATER THAN POTABLE WATER, BUT, UM, NOT MY DECISION.
UM, AND FYI, UH, OAK CREEK RUNS ROUGHLY 35, 40 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND, WHILE 9 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR.
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LESS THAN ONE 10TH, 1% OF THE FLOW OF THE CREEK FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES.ANY FOLLOW UP? YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
CAN WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION HERE? HAS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEY SEE NO CONCERNS? NO, NOT THAT I'VE BEEN AWARE OF.
I THINK THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE TALKED TO THEM.
YEAH, THEY DID RELEASE COMMENTS AND WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM.
I'LL HAVE TO REVIEW THE BUILDING PERMIT PLANS AS WELL.
UM, HOW'S THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR BEING DEFINED? SO THE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE CFA REQUIRE OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS NO BUILDING IN THE FLOODWAY.
AND THERE IS NO BUILDING IN THE FLOODWAY? CORRECT.
AGAIN, THERE'S SOME BALCONIES THAT CANTILEVER, BUT THE PIERS FOR THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODWAY.
UM, KURT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT DEVELOPERS HAVE TO ADHERE TO AS FAR AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE CFA PEOPLE THROUGHOUT COMMUNITY PLAN, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, ALL OF THE THINGS.
UM, WHAT IS A PROJECT REQUIRED TO MEET? SO, SO EVEN AT THIS LEVEL, THE, THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, IS THE SAME FOR IF IT WAS A REZONE OR A CUP OR ANYTHING ELSE.
AND SO IT'S THE SAME 12 CRITERIA.
AND SO THEY DO HAVE TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CFA PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, STAFFS ANALYZE THAT AND FOUND THAT THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE AS YOU SAW IN THE REPORT.
IS IT THE OLD PLAN OR THE NEW PLAN IN THIS MOMENT OF LIKE THREE WEEKS AFTER WE GOT A NEW PLAN? SO, UH, I MEAN IT COULD, IT COULD BE EITHER.
IN THIS CASE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THIS AREA 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE THERE WAS ANY LARGE CHANGES.
UH, WHAT HAPPENS IF A PROJECT COMMITS TO DOING THINGS AND THEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN? AND WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS, YOU KNOW, A RECENT HOTEL THAT WAS BUILT IN TOWN SO THE RESTAURANT WOULDN'T BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND NOW THE RESTAURANT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO ARE THERE CONSEQUENCES FOR COMMITMENTS THAT AREN'T MET? WE'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT.
ANYTHING EXPRESSED AT THIS MEETING, UM, IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WHETHER IT'S OKAY, AN ACTUAL CONDITION OR NOT.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SPECIFICALLY STATES IF THEY, IF THEY PROMISE TO DO ANYTHING HERE AT THIS MEETING, UM, THEN THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.
AND SO ULTIMATELY, UH, THEIR, THEIR RIGHTS OR THEIR, THE REVIEW IN THIS CASE, THE, THE DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL COULD BE REVOKED.
ARE THERE CONSEQUENCES IF A PROJECT IS FINISHED AND THEY DIDN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS OR THEY GO BACK ON THINGS THAT THEY COMMIT TO CORRECT? THE, THE APPROVAL COULD BE REVOKED IF THEY, IF THEY DIDN'T FALL THROUGH FOLLOW LEVEL.
SO THEY LOSE THEIR CFO BASICALLY.
DID YOU ANSWER THE EMPLOYEE FTE MM-HMM? DID I MISS THAT? NO, NO, WE DIDN'T.
DID YOU, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES YOU'RE EXPECTING OR ANTICIPATING? WELL, WE WOULD HAVE A TOTAL OF 66, UM, TOTAL EMPLOYEES.
FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WOULD BE 47.
NOW THAT'S A 24 HOUR OPERATION, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DO.
JUST BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WATER RIGHTS.
KURT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WATER RIGHTS OR IS THAT OUTSIDE OF YOUR SCOPE? UH, I, I HAVE A, SOME UNDERSTANDING OF YES.
CAN YOU ABANDON YOUR WATER RIGHTS? YOU HAVE TO CLAIM THEM OR THEY CAN BE ABANDONED IN SOME GEN? GENERALLY THEY RUN WITH THE LAND.
UM, AND GENERALLY ANYONE WHO HAS WATER RIGHTS WILL, WILL JUST MAINTAIN IT.
'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT PROPERTIES WILL GENERALLY GIVE UP.
UH, BUT YOU COULD, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD ABANDON YOUR PROPERTY OR YOUR WATER RIGHTS.
BUT JUST 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE WATER RIGHTS DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE THE FULL AMOUNT.
UM, YOU COULD USE NONE OF IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND, AND MAINTAIN THOSE RIGHTS AT LEAST.
AND HOW DO YOU MONITOR IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC AMOUNT SUCH AS TWO ACRE FEET PER YEAR, HOW DO YOU MONITOR WHETHER THAT'S BEEN EXCEEDED OR NOT? SO GENERALLY THE AMOUNTS ARE, I MEAN, THOSE AMOUNTS ARE SO HIGH.
NINE, YOU KNOW, 28 ACRE FEET AND YOU KNOW, A LITTLE OVER 9 MILLION, UM, GALLONS OF WATER.
IS THAT WHERE THAT FIGURE CAME FROM? YES.
AND THEY'RE 325,000, UM, GALLONS IN AN ACRE FOOT OF WATER.
SO, UH, SO YEAH, I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE ROUGHLY THE SAME OR CLOSE.
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GENERALLY ARE LARGE ENOUGH THAT NO ONE'S MONITORING IT.SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE UP OR DOWN OAK CREEK THAT HAS WATER RIGHTS IS GONNA HAVE A, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF A METER ON WHAT THEY'RE PUMPING OUT OF THE CREEK.
AND THAT'S THE SAME ON DOWN THROUGH, UM, COVILLE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE OAK, UH, THE COVILLE DITCH IN COTTONWOOD WITH THE COTTONWOOD DITCH AND, AND CAMP VERDE WITH THE DITCHES THERE.
SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY DIVERT IT AND THEY ESTIMATE IT'S ALL BASED ON ESTIMATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S ACTUALLY METERING IT.
YEAH, MADAM, I'M SURE IF I COULD ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, 9 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR, THIS REALLY ISN'T LEAVING THE HYDRO SYSTEM.
I MEAN WHETHER YOU'RE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT, IT'S BASICALLY STAYING, IT GOES INTO GROUNDWATER, EVENTUALLY SEEPS BACK INTO OAK CREEK.
YOU'RE NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE MM-HMM.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT A LOSS OF WATER.
THANK YOU FOR THE WATER EDUCATION.
I HAVE ONE MORE THING I WANNA TALK ABOUT.
'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S A THING THAT'S BEEN LEFT IN THE ETHER OF WHICH OF THOSE FOUR OPTIONS MM-HMM.
UM, I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING AND I REMEMBER THE BALANCE OF, WE WANT PEDESTRIANS TO ENGAGE WITH THAT PATH.
AND ALL THE DATA WE HAVE IS WIDER PATHS ARE BETTER ENGAGED WITH, I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN ON A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK WITH A STROLLER, A DOG, A BIKE, WHATEVER.
AND YOU COME AND YOU INTERSECT WITH ANOTHER PERSON AND IT'S JUST UNCOMFORTABLE.
AND PEOPLE WON'T WALK IF IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE.
SO I REALLY WANNA ADVOCATE FOR THE WIDEST POSSIBLE PATH WITH THE MOST TREE SAVING.
AND I KNOW THAT IS LIKE NOT A THING THAT THESE EQUATE TO.
UM, SO I, I AM, I'M LEANING TOWARDS TWO.
IS THAT THE ONE WHERE WE SPLIT AND THEN HAVE A LITTLE, IT MIGHT BE ONE.
IT'S HARD TO, I HAVE A BAD ANGLE OF BOTH OF THESE SCREENS.
UM, DEFINITELY NOT THE PROPOSED CFA 10 FOOT CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES.
I FEEL LIKE THAT, THAT DON'T DO THAT.
UM, SO, AND WITH THE DISRUPTION OF THE EARTH IN THESE AREAS THAT THERE WILL BE TREE LOSS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF MOVING DIRT.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO TO SAVE THE HEALTHY TREES, I THINK WE SHOULD, WHILE ALSO ENCOURAGING, 'CAUSE YOUR HOTEL GUESTS WON'T WALK THIS PATH IF IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE MORE THAN ONCE.
SO MAKING IT A GOOD EXPERIENCE IS IMPORTANT.
SO ONE OR TWO, I MIGHT HAVE TO GET CLOSER TO THAT SCREEN TO HAVE A STRONGER OPINION THAN ONE OR TWO BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL WHERE IT GOES TO SIX.
SO NUMBER TWO HAS A, IN THE RED IS A 10 FOOT WIDE PATH FOR A MAJORITY OF THE FRONTAGE.
AND NUMBER ONE TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE SAVING OF MORE TREES.
THUS WHAT'S MORE, DO YOU HAVE A QUANTITATIVE? YEAH, IT'S ON THERE.
YEAH, I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW I READ IT SOMEWHERE, BUT I'M WONDERING IF IT'S ON THAT SHEET SOMEWHERE.
IT SAYS, SO IT'S A DIFFERENCE.
IT'S DOWN THE, IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 40 TREES ON THE TOP AND 43 ON NUMBER TWO.
SO A LOSS OF THREE TREES TO GO WITH PROPOSITION TWO.
THREE ADDITIONAL TREES, THREE ADDITIONAL TREES.
WE DON'T KNOW WHICH TREES, WE DON'T KNOW HOW BIG ALL THOSE THINGS I'M, THEY WOULD BE THE, THE THREE TREES WOULD BE ON THE, WHERE IT'S SOUTH PATH WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT'S ORANGE.
I MEAN YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT, UM, SO FOR THE POINT OF US COMMISSION, I THINK, UH, MAKING THAT PATH ENJOYABLE, WELL NOT ONLY THERE'S SOME DATA TO SUGGEST RAISE THE VALUE OF HOMES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE A WIDE WALKABLE PATH HISTORICALLY.
BUT I THINK, UH, ENGAGING PEOPLE IN WALKING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S GONNA BE ALL UPHILL FROM THERE, GIVING THEM A GOOD TIME BEFORE THEY HIT UPHILL.
UM, I THINK I'D BE IN FAVOR OF TWO, KEEPING IT WIDE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SPLIT, WHICH I ACTUALLY THINK WILL BE REALLY NICE AS AN INTERACTION AS A PEDESTRIAN THAT SPLIT AROUND TREES.
SO THAT WAS MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT.
COULD I, COULD I JUST ADD TO THAT WE RECENTLY, UH, GOT THE SANDBORNE TRAIL, UM, AND PART OF IT IS 10 FEET AND PART OF IS EIGHT FEET.
UH, AND QUITE FRANKLY, THEY BOTH WORK, IN MY OPINION, THEY BOTH WORK AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE 10 FOOT, UM, WHEN THEY GET ON THE TREND TO STATE, THEY DON'T REALLY REALIZE THAT IT'S NARROW THAT MUCH.
SO I THINK THAT SAVING THE TREES IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE.
AND IF IT, IF IT NEEDS TO GO TO AN EIGHT, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE OKAY WITH THAT.
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UM, UH, IF IT COULD BE 10, THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOO.UM, BUT IF IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH WHAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IS THEN PEOPLE DON'T USE IT.
THE BIKES DON'T WANNA RIDE ON IT AND OR THE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA BE WHERE THE BIKES ARE.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST LIKE THE FIVE FOOT WOULD NEVER WORK.
IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S GOTTA BE EIGHT FEET OR MORE.
SO, SO I MEAN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE NOVEMBER WORK SESSION AS WELL.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS KIND OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE HEARD AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
SO THERE IS A, THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL DOES A, DOES SAY 10 FOOT PATHWAY ALONG SNUBBY REDUCED TO EIGHT WHERE MATURE TREES MAY BE COMPROMISED.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO GO OUT THERE ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, HANUKAH AND I CAN GO OUT AND ONCE THEY HAVE IT STAKED AND FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS TO DETERMINE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE PLACES TO REDUCE TO THE EIGHT FEET.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
YEAH, I LIKE THAT PLAN VERY MUCH INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF THIS ABSTRACT, YOU KNOW, SO THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, MEETING THE GOALS OF, OF MAKING IT MORE WALK.
AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT CONDITION HAS LIKE A SUB-CON CONDITION.
WHAT NUMBER, WHAT NUMBER IS THAT CARRIE? SORRY? 10 10 X-X-I-I-I TWO ABOVE 11.
UM, THAT ANY PORTION OF THE PATHWAY THAT GOES ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY WILL NEED TO BE PROVIDED A PEDESTRIAN EASEMENT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAINTAINING THE PUBLIC ACCESS THROUGH THAT PATHWAY.
SO IT'S A SECOND TO LAST SUB CONDITION UNDER NUMBER 10.
AND THO THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT, UM, WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM.
I THINK THAT'S THE PLAN WE CAN FOR 10, BUT REDUCED TAPE WHERE THERE ARE TREES.
IS THAT RIGHT? AND REDUCE TO EIGHT WHERE THEY'RE MATURE.
SO WE'LL LEAVE THAT AS WRITTEN.
NO, THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS.
WAIT, CAN YOU STRAIGHTEN ME OUT ABOUT SOMETHING GARY? SO THERE'S, I CAN TRY.
THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S BEFORE US THAT HAS APPROXIMATELY 40 SOMETHING FTE AS WELL.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 40 WORKHOUSE USE, YOU KNOW, UNITS.
AND THE PULSE AND THE CLIMATE THAT I GOT FROM THE CITY AT THOSE MEETINGS WAS, WELL IT'S NOT A NET BENEFIT, WHICH TO ME, ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT.
I MEAN THAT SEEMS LIKE A BENEFIT TO ME.
BUT THE PULSE WAS, IT'S NOT A BENEFIT.
THIS PROJECT'S NOT HELD TO THE SAME THING.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A ZONE CHANGE.
IT'S SO THE FACT THAT THIS OFFERS FOUR, ANOTHER ONE OFFERS 40, WE, WE CAN'T, YOU HAVE TO REVIEW EACH PROJECT FOR WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
AND THE OTHER PROJECT YOU'RE REFERRING TO HAD A ZONE CHANGE.
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE, THEY DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO BUILD A HOTEL WHERE THIS PROJECT HAS A ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR HOTEL USE.
AND SO THAT'S, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN THE ZONING.
SO WE CAN'T REQUIRE THEM OR ASK THEM TO, WELL IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE CITY WAS LIKE, OH, IT'S NO NET, YOU KNOW, 40, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT EQUAL.
AND HAD SORT OF MY EXPERIENCE WAS A DISTASTE AROUND THAT AND THIS ONE'S ONLY OFFERING FOUR AND WE'RE KIND OF LIKE, HEY, THIS IS GREAT.
THIS PROJECT WAS PROPOSING A ZONE CHANGE AS WELL.
WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE HAD A SIMILAR CONVERSATION EVALUATION.
BUT THIS ZONING WAS CHANGED FOUR YEARS AGO.
UM, AND SO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU FOR STRAIGHTENING ME OUT.
IS THE COMMISSION READY FOR A MOTION? OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN ONE.
UM, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 23 DASH 0 0 0 4 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4 AND SATISFACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
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THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
WHAT ABOUT THE WATER USE? NOT EVEN DISCUSSED BY ANY HERE.
WHAT ABOUT THE WATER TREES ARE GONNA BE FROM THE WATER MAKING YOU DID NOT EXERCISE YOU.
WE HAVE MORE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, WOULD YOU TAKE YOUR CONVERSATION OUT INTO THE LOBBY PLEASE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX JUST AS SOON AS IT GETS QUIET.
APPLICANTS AND DEVELOPER DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
IF YOU COULD ALSO, YOUR TEAM BACK THERE IS KIBITZING
MOVE 'EM ALONG WHEN WE'RE DONE.
I KEEP IT LUKE, WE HAVE MORE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, SO IF YOU'LL TAKE YOUR CONVERSATION OUT INTO THE LOBBY, YOU SEE? YEAH, YEAH.
OKAY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX IN NEWPORT, NOT ORANGE COUNTY.
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OKAY.FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE MAY 7TH, UH, DATE.
UM, WHICH I THINK WORKS OUT 'CAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE GONE FOR THAT ONE.
UM, AND I DO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONFIRMED FOR MAY 21ST, BUT I AM 80% SURE WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING.
AND SO WE WILL PROBABLY KNOW BY IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
AND WE'LL WHAT WOULD THAT ONE BE? UM, IT'D LIKELY BE THE PROPOSED CIRCLE K UH, I WAS WONDERING WHEN THAT WAS GONNA COME UP.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY WERE IS THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW? DEVELOPMENT REVIEW
IT'S A COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
AND YEAH, SO YOU CAN GO AND I THINK THE, THE SIGN PLAN IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S OUTSTANDING ON THAT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT, I GUESS YOU COULD START LOOKING.
SO CARRIE CAN, CAN, I'M JUST WONDERING.
YEAH, I KNOW IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL BUT IS JUNE, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT JUNE YET? YOU KNOW WHAT, AFTER THE CIRCLE K WE'RE ALL HOLDING UP HEAD
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY, LIKE, ANYTHING THAT'S CLOSE.
WHAT ABOUT THAT HOUSING BEHIND THE METERY? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROJECT IS CALLED.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE FAR.
YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING FAR FURTHER AWAY.
WE DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION IN FOR THAT ONE YET.
THAT'S, THAT'S MORE WHAT MY QUESTION WAS.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN A BUSY FEW MONTHS, BUT WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO, AT LEAST FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE MIGHT BE A WORK SESSION OR SOMETHING ON SOMETHING IF WE FEEL THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN COMMUNICATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE HAD ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING COME UP.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY PLANNED ABSENCES COMMISSIONERS, BE SURE AND LET STAFF KNOW.
I THINK I, IF ANYTHING COMES UP FROM MOST PEOPLE, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THE PLANNED ABSENCES.
WE JUST HAVE TO LET STAFF KNOW.
WE DON'T NEED TO LET YOU AS CHAIR KNOW.
IS THAT CORRECT OR WHAT'S THE PROCESS? IT'S A COURTESY.
AND I KEEP TRACK OF THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR GONE, WE MIGHT NOT SCHEDULE, UM, THINGS FOR THAT DATE.
'CAUSE WE WANNA HAVE, ESPECIALLY LIKE A WORK SESSION, WE WOULDN'T IF WE ONLY HAD FOUR OF YOU YEAH.
WOULDN'T BE GOOD TO GO FORWARD.
THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE FUTURE.
WE WOULD PROBABLY RESCHEDULE A WORK SESSION.
CAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT SADDLEBROOK? UH, SADDLE ROCK? OKAY.
KIND OF SORT WOULD WE EXPECT TO SEE THAT COME BACK TO US IF, UM, IF THEY MADE CHANGES THAT AFFECTED THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPROVAL? YEAH.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK SUCH AS THE FOOTPRINT.
SO IF THERE WERE CHANGES TO THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE SIGN OR THE MIX OF USES OR SOMETHING THAT WERE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH THAT WE MM-HMM.
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REVIEWED AND APPROVED.UM, WE WOULD NEED TO BRING IT BACK, BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING FROM 'EM, SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DETERMINATION.
SO BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE CIRAN ITEM WOULDN'T
WE CAN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IT.
WE CAN'T REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS ON THAT.
SO I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN THIS, UM, MEETING AT ALMOST EIGHT O'CLOCK
AND IF YOU NEED SOME MORE SNACKS FOR YOUR DRIVE HOME, HUH? WHAT'S THAT? THANKS FOR GETTING THE PIZZA CHERRY AND THE SALAD.