Apr 17, 2024 City Council

AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON HERE.

MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE, THE ROLL

[2. ROLL CALL]

CALL? MAYOR BLO.

HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU.

A KEY COUNCILOR KINSELLA.

HERE.

THANK YOU MADAM CLERK.

[3.a. Public Comment: Public comment on all budget items will be taken at the outset of the meeting. Each person commenting will have a maximum of two minutes. The entire period for the public comment will not exceed thirty minutes. ]

ITEM THREE, SPECIAL BUSINESS WORK SESSION REGARDING THE CITY OF SEDONA BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 24, 25.

THE COUNCIL MAY TAKE ACTION TO GIVE DIRECTION REGARDING AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED CITY BUDGET OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

WE'LL START WITH ITEM A PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS FOR ALL BUDGET ITEMS WILL BE TAKEN ON THE OUTSET OF THE MEETING.

EACH PERSON, UH, COMMENTING WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES.

EXCUSE ME, ALREADY, UH, TWO MINUTES.

THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL NOT EXCEED 30 MINUTES.

WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO GO OVER, SO WE HAVE TO MOVE.

AND BY THE WAY, COUNCILOR, WE HAVE A HARD STOP AT FIVE O'CLOCK TODAY.

SO, TRACY, TRACY RANDALL, START WITH YOUR NAME AND, UH, CITY OF RESIDENCE.

MY NAME IS TRACY RANDALL.

I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE VERDE VALLEY CYCLIST COALITION REPRESENTING 300 CYCLISTS, THE MAJORITY RESIDING IN SEDONA.

I WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE CITIZEN ADVISORY BUDGET BUDGET GROUP LAST YEAR.

I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE NEW PROGRAM MANAGER POSITION BEING ADDED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR A GROWING NEED FOR PARKING AND TRAILS MANAGEMENT.

WHY IS THE POSITION IMPORTANT FOR SEDONA AND THE VVCC? FEW PLACES HAVE SUCH AN INCREDIBLE ACCESS TO TRAILS FROM THEIR FRONT DOORS THROUGH THE WORK AND INVESTMENT OF VOLUNTEERS.

NON-PROFITS LIKE THE VVCC AND THE FOREST SERVICE.

A WORLD CLASS TRAIL SYSTEM OF 425 MILES HAS BEEN BUILT THAT RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS ENJOY.

IT'S A MAJOR FACTOR WHY I MOVED HERE.

HOWEVER, CHALLENGES HAVE EMERGED AND WE ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS POSITION.

THE, THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS LIMITED OR NO REPRESENTATION AND MANY OF THE MEETINGS AND WORKING GROUPS THAT FOCUS ON THE TRAILS AND CONNECTIONS RESULTING IN DELAYS.

THESE DELAYS RESULT IN TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ISSUES AS THE RIGHT TRAILS AND THOUGHTFUL TRAIL CONNECTIONS CAN ASSIST WITH OUR TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND SAFETY ISSUES.

THE TIMING IS RIGHT FOR THIS POSITION, AS IT AS MANY INITIATIVES WOULD BENEFIT FROM A PERSON AT THE CITY FOCUSED ON THE TRAILS, THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE, THE VERDE FRONT, RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT PLANNING EFFORTS, TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD, SIMS AND THE SHUTTLE, AND THE CULTURAL PARK MASTER PLANNING.

WE SPENT SOME TIME SEARCHING, UM, FOR OTHER CITIES WITH SURROUNDING TRAIL NETWORKS THAT HAD FOLKS ON THE CITY STAFF WITH THIS POSITION.

PRESCOTT HOT SPRINGS, ARKANSAS, BOULDER, PARK CITY, BONNIE LAKE, WASHINGTON, BRECKENRIDGE, MONTROSE, COLORADO, LAKE TAHOE, JACKSON HOLE, ALL HAVE FULL-TIME POSITIONS.

AND THIS WAS JUST A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH.

I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY MORE.

PLEASE VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THIS POSITION.

SEDONA NEEDS THIS POSITION.

ON THAT AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK THAT.

THANK YOU TRACY AND KELLY, YOU'RE UP NEXT.

GOOD MORNING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS ANN KELLY SEDONA, RESIDENT MEMBER OF SEDONA RESIDENTS UNITE MEMBER OF PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES.

I WANNA START OFF FIRST BY THANKING KAREN OSBORNE FOR HER SERVICE.

AND I, I PICKED THAT PHRASE BECAUSE I KNOW IT FELT LIKE COMBAT MANY TIMES.

, UM, EXCELLENT JOB, ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU AND, UH, SEDONA RESIDENTS.

UNITE IS TRYING TO GET A STRONGER, UH, MORE POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITY.

AND HOPEFULLY WE MAKE MADE SOME PROGRESS

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WELCOME ANNETTE AND, UH, KAREN.

ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT.

I KNOW I'VE ENJOYED MINE EXCEPT WHEN I DO THESE KIND OF THINGS.

UM, I HAVE, I HAVE THREE BUDGET ITEMS, UM, TO COMMENT ON THE, I CALL IT THE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM, THE, UH, SOFTWARE THAT'S USED TO MANAGE THE CITY.

UM, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO REPLACE FINANCIAL, BUT PLEASE LOOK BEYOND FINANCIAL.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A BETTER JOB OF WEBSITE MANAGEMENT, GETTING THE FACTS OUT THERE.

UM, BEING ABLE TO ELIMINATE RECORDS REQUESTS AND JUST FOLKS BEING ABLE TO GET STATUS ON PROJECTS AND FEEL THAT THE CITY IS MORE TRANSPARENT.

SO PLEASE GIVE THAT THE ATTENTION THAT IT NEEDS AND THE MONEY THAT IT NEEDS AND THE STAFFING THAT IT NEEDS.

IT'S A HUGE JOB.

ANY OF US HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT.

SHORT TERM RENTALS.

UM, THERESA ARTHUR'S DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.

THIS IS NOT A COMMENT AGAINST THERESA IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

UM, WE JUST NOW HAVE 1,130 SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

IT'S A HUGE TASK.

UM, WE'VE DONE SEARCHES.

WE FIND SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE BUILDING CODE VIOLATIONS.

THEY'VE TAKEN A CLOSET AND TURNED IT INTO A BEDROOM.

UM, WE CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHICH ONE IT IS 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A LICENSE NUMBER ON THEIR POSTING, WHICH THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.

AND THERE'S STILL 17 THAT AREN'T LICENSED.

SO WE NEED TO GET THERESA BETTER TOOLS, MORE, MORE RESOURCES WE NEED TO GET, UM, ENFORCEMENT POTENTIALLY MORE RESOURCES.

SO PLEASE LOOK AT THAT.

AND THE LAST ONE, PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

OH, THE THING'S NOT ON.

OR I'M OUT OF TIME.

ONE OF THOSE, OH, SORRY.

QUICKLY.

PARK PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM 11 X OR EQUIVALENT.

PLEASE LOOK AT THAT.

WE COULD DO A PILOT.

THREE 500 PARKING PLACES MAKE IT'S SO VISIBLE UP THERE FOR VISITORS.

THEY DON'T EVEN GET IN THE CAR AND END UP IN THE Y AND IT'S ONLY 300, $400,000.

YEAH, SEAN SMITH, SEDONA RESIDENT.

ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO, UH, FILL OUT A CARD? OKAY, THIS IS, IT'S TWO MINUTES, SEAN, SO IT'S NOT THREE TODAY.

SO, UH, TAKE, UH, THE PODIUM AND START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

AND BEFORE YOU START, ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK NOW WITH THE TIME, THIS WILL BE THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, UH, THE REST OF TODAY OR TOMORROW TO SPEAK.

SO SEAN'S NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

UM, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT, UH, ANNA HAD SAID, THE, THE GRANITE HAS SOFTWARE THAT YOU GUYS USE DOES HAVE SHORT TERM RENTAL MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE AS A MODULE.

SO IF WE DON'T MOVE TO A DIFFERENT CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU AT LEAST LOOK AT BOLTING THAT MODULE ON.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT COULD MAYBE HELP, YOU KNOW, BE A LABOR FORCE MULTIPLIER.

AND, UM, I JUST SENT AGAIN, A DOCUMENT THAT I HAD SENT IN JANUARY OF 2023 SO THAT ANNETTE WOULD HAVE IT, UH, WHICH INCLUDED A RESPONSE FROM LAUREN ABOUT THE NEED FOR, UM, OR MY DOCUMENT WAS ABOUT DISCUSSING THE NEEDS OF THIS, UH, CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH WAS THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE MORE OPEN AND HAVE KIND OF MORE SELF-SERVICE STUFF TO, PRIMARILY TO STEM OFF THE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW WITH SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

YOU KNOW, WHENEVER AN ISSUE GOES INTERNATIONAL IN MEDIA COVERAGE, IT'S KINDA LIKE, OKAY, WHAT COULD WE HAVE DONE MORE BETTER? AND SO IDENTIFYING ISSUES AND BEING DYNAMIC AND MAYBE DOING MORE RAPID SURVEYS, QUICK LITTLE ONE QUESTION THINGS.

AND, UH, ELECTRONIC TOWN HALLS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IS ALL WRAPPED UP INTO THAT DOCUMENT.

SO THE KIND OF, WE HEAD TOWARDS A, A MORE OPEN FUTURE AND, AND EVEN SIMPLE THINGS LIKE JUST HAVING A DA COMPLIANT WEBSITE AND, AND MOBILE FRIENDLY WEBSITE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND MUCH BETTER SEARCH.

SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ECHO THE PLUG THERE FOR KIND OF EVOLVING THE TECHNOLOGY AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE TECHNOLOGY WORKING GROUP THAT, THAT WE'RE IN STARTING AND, AND I'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT.

THANK YOU, SEAN.

OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC, UH, PORTION OF THE MEETING, PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM B, AN INTRODUCTION TO AN OVERVIEW OF THE 20 24, 25 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET PROCESS WILL BE PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED.

[3.b. An introduction to and overview of the 2024/2025 Fiscal Year Budget process will be presented and discussed. ]

SHERRY, GOOD MORNING MAYOR.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

PERSPECTIVE, BUT THE FUNDS ARE ALSO IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT AS WELL.

SO, UM, WE HAVE IN OUR, UM, TWO DAYS, UM, FOR OUR WORK SESSIONS.

UM, WE'LL START OFF WITH, UH, THIS INTRODUCTION OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS.

THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP.

AND WE HAVE, UM, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE GROUP HERE, UM, TODAY.

SO, UM, THEN WE'LL GO INTO EACH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, BUDGETS.

UM, DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL BE AVAILABLE AND SOME OF THEIR STAFFS.

AND WE'LL BRING STAFF WITH THEM, UM, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THEIR BUDGETS.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE, THE BIG PICTURE OF THE BUDGET AND SOME OF THE STRATEGIC, UM, ISSUES THERE.

LOOK AT THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL FUND, UM, SUMMARIES.

WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET FROM AN OVERALL

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UM, THE 10 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH WITH THE RECAP REVIEW.

UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE LONG RANGE FORECAST DURING, UM, THAT POINT AS WELL.

AND, UM, BASICALLY WE'LL GO AS FAR AS WE CAN TODAY AND THEN WHATEVER'S LEFT OVER OF THAT LIST WE'LL WE'LL CARRY ON WITH TOMORROW.

TAKE A PAUSE.

BRIAN, ONE QUICK QUESTION.

SORRY, ONE QUICK QUESTION.

IS IT AT THIS MEETING OR IS IT THE ADOPTION MEETING WHERE WE WIND UP GIVING DIRECTION ON THE SURPLUS? THIS MEETING? THIS MEETING? OKAY, THANK YOU.

OKAY, ANY OTHER QUICK, QUICK, QUICK QUESTIONS? NOTHING.

OKAY, SHERRY, GO FOR IT.

OKAY, SO, UM, JUST A, A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE BOOKS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.

UM, SO RIGHT AFTER THE TABLE OF CONTENTS IS A, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF THE BUDGET BOOK.

UM, SO FOR ANYONE WHO'S LOOKING AT THE BOOK ONLINE, IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF LAYOUT.

UM, THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT WE HAVE THE BUDGET MEMO, WHICH IS REALLY THE, UM, PART WHERE IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY INPUT SECTION, WHICH INCLUDES THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE RESULTS OF THE BUDGET SURVEY.

THEN WE HAVE OVERALL SUMMARY SCHEDULES, THE FUND SUMMARIES, THE 10 YEAR CIP, UH, LIST.

AND THEN EACH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THE ORDER WOULD BE OF THE DEPARTMENTS, THERE WILL BE A LITTLE SHIFTING AROUND OF THE ORDER, WHICH TYPICALLY HAPPENS ANYWAY 'CAUSE IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THIS SET UP, IT'S TOO FAR IN ADVANCE AND THINGS HAPPEN .

SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE GOALS FOR THE WORK SESSION, UM, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT, UM, WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.

UM, ONE IS TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT IS IS IN THE BUDGET, UM, BECAUSE THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT IS THAT NO EXPENDITURE CAN BE MADE FOR A PURPOSE THAT'S NOT AUTHORIZED IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET.

UM, THIS IS A MUCH MORE, UM, DETAILED INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

BUT THE ACTUAL FORMS THAT THE STATE, UM, AUDITOR GENERAL'S OFFICE REQUIRES TO BE USED FOR THE BUDGET ADOPTION IS AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.

SO IT LISTS, UM, LIKE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND ALL OF THAT.

SO IT DOESN'T IDENTIFY, OKAY, WELL WITHIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY'RE SPENDING EVERYTHING ON.

BUT IF WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAD A POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WAIT A SECOND, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? SO IT'S VERY HIGH LEVEL ON, ON WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OF WHAT, UM, WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN, UM, THE BUDGET.

UM, THE OTHER, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS THAT THIS HELPS US GET TO DETERMINING WHAT OUR BUDGET CAP WILL BE.

SO WE ARE UNDER HOME RULE.

UM, AT THIS POINT THE HOME RULE AUTHORIZATION IS EFFECTIVE THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET.

AND, UM, WHATEVER WE SET AS THE TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION AMOUNT ENDS UP BEING THE CAP ON HOW MUCH IT CAN BE WHEN WE COME BACK FOR FINAL BUDGET ADOPTION.

IT CAN BE REDUCED, THINGS CAN BE SHIFTED AROUND, BUT IT CANNOT EXCEED THAT CAP.

SO TODAY, ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS IS HELPING US DETERMINE WHAT IS GOING INTO THAT TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION.

UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, PART OF THE DISCUSSION, AS I SAID, WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE LONG RANGE FORECAST IS DISCUSSING OUR FINANCIAL CAPACITY, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE PRIORITIES AND EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE BUDGET TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT, THAT WE CAN AFFORD WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

UM, HERE IS THE CALENDAR, UM, FOR OUR FISCAL YEAR 24 25 BUDGET PROCESS.

WE STARTED BACK IN DECEMBER.

UM, SO WE ARE ALL THE WAY DOWN, UM, HERE TO THE BUDGET WORK SESSION.

SO THERE'S BEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO, UM, THIS PROCESS, UM, TO GET TO, UH, THE WORK SESSIONS TODAY WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, PUTTING TOGETHER EVERYTHING.

WE DO MEETINGS WITH THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW THE BUDGET REQUEST FROM THE DEPARTMENTS AND GET AN UNDERSTANDING TO DETERMINE WHAT CITY MANAGER IS WILLING TO RECOMMEND.

UM, AND COMPILING ALL OF THAT WORKING WITH CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP WILL HAVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO GET TO THE POINT OF A PROPOSED BUDGET.

UM, I DO WANT TO SAY SOME.

APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR INPUT AND SUPPORT IN THIS PROCESS.

SO, UM, EACH YEAR WE GET INPUT ON THE REVENUE FORECAST AND, UH, PARTICIPATING IN THAT GROUP THIS YEAR IS LAUREN BROWN.

UM, AS THE, UH, DIRECTOR FOR THE, THE NEW DEPARTMENT FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS, TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES.

PROBABLY OUR LONGEST DEPARTMENT NAME, .

UM, MICHELLE ECK FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, AND THE PERSPECTIVES THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT WHAT THE REVENUE FORECAST, UM, WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN CARRIE MEYER, UM, OUR PLANNING MANAGER WHO KNOWS ABOUT PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE, UM, THAT IMPACT OUR FORECAST.

SO GREATLY

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UM, I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR PARTICIPATING IN OUR BUDGET SURVEY.

WE HAD THE LARGEST, UH, RESPONSE, UM, YET SINCE WE'VE BEEN DOING THE BUDGET SURVEY, UM, IT WAS, I THINK AROUND 875, UM, PEOPLE PARTICIPATED AND THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.

UM, YOU SEE, UM, COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND THINK THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN A REALLY GREAT RESPONSE WHEN THEY GET AS MANY RESPONSES AS WE DO.

SO, UM, WE REALLY DO HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT RESPONSE TO OUR BUDGET SURVEY.

SO GREATLY APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY FOR PARTICIPATING IN THAT.

UM, I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP.

UM, THEY HAVE BEEN, UM, REALLY GREAT IN PROVIDING THOUGHTS AND IDEAS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND JUST BEEN A WONDERFUL GROUP TO WORK WITH.

UM, THE MEMBERS OF THAT WORK GROUP, WE HAVE, UM, JACK BENZI, PATRICIA LIVINGSTONE, ROBERT MASTERS AT SOUTHWELL HERE.

LANCE WALDROP IS HERE.

UM, DANIEL ICK MAY WAY, WONG IS HERE, AND LYNN AKAS IS HERE.

DID I, I DON'T THINK I MISSED ANYBODY.

SO, UM, SO GREATLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.

UM, THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS.

WE HAD THREE, UM, FULL DAY MEETINGS, UM, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE EFFORTS AND WORK THAT THEY PUT INTO THIS OUTSIDE OF THOSE MEETINGS.

SO THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO IT AND A LOT OF THOUGHT AND GREATLY APPRECIATE

[3.c. Recommendations of the Citizen’s Budget Work Group. ]

THAT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO, AT THIS POINT, UM, LYNN ZAKA HAS AGREED TO BE THE, UM, SPEAKER FOR THE GROUP REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HER, UM, TALK.

I WAS SURPRISED 'CAUSE ACTUALLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE PRETTY TECH SAVVY, BUT IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THAT ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THESE GROUPS DID, UH, INVEST IN THAT AT LEAST ANNUALLY.

GOOD MORNING, LYNN.

ALWAYS NICE TO SEE YOU.

YEAH, GOOD TO SEE ALL YOU.

AND WELCOME TO THE CITY.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT LINE FOR LINE, BUT I'M GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON A FEW OF THE ITEMS. THIS WILL TAKE ABOUT 10 MINUTES.

UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO START OUT WITH IS THIS.

THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AS YOU WILL NOTE, ARE MOSTLY FORWARD THINKING.

WE LOOKED AT THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, REVIEWED IT IN DETAIL.

SHERRY DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING HOW IT ALL GOES, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S BEEN WELL THOUGHT OUT.

IT'S A CULMINATION, IF YOU WILL, OF WHAT THE INITIATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON.

SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT THEN WE ALSO MOVED ON TO WHERE WE THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO IN THE FUTURE.

UM, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THIS, THAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE UNANIMOUS.

WE HAD SOME LIVELY CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE DID COME TO A CONSENSUS ON THESE ITEMS. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND START OUT.

THE 10 YEAR MASTER SUMMARY PROJECT LIST IS VERY ROBUST.

WE THINK THERE, UH, IS AN OPPORTUNITY PERHAPS TO BUILD OUT THE FUTURE YEARS COLUMN A LITTLE BIT MORE, AT LEAST TO PUT PLACEHOLDERS IN AND SOME ESTIMATED COSTS.

IT DOESN'T LOCK YOU IN, THINGS CHANGE, BUT IT HELPS, I THINK, WITH LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLANNING.

UM, COMMUNITY SURVEYS, THIS IS ONE THAT I'M GOING TO PROBABLY TAKE THE MOST TIME ON.

UM, OUR GROUP WAS, UH, SURPRISED AND I THINK, UH, DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY.

WE WERE, WE WERE DELIGHTED TO SEE THE PARTICIPATION.

AND WE ALSO DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY FROM THE EFFORTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO PUT TOGETHER THAT SURVEY.

IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK, UH, TO GET THAT SORT OF CONSENSUS.

THAT SAID, SURVEYS ARE A REALLY SPECIALIZED AREA OF EXPERTISE.

AND, UM, UH, I'LL, I'LL CONFESS, I GOT REALLY FIRED UP ABOUT THIS PERSONALLY AND SPENT A FEW HOURS AFTER THE MEETING DOING A LITTLE BENCHMARKING AND PRESENTED THOSE FINDINGS TO, UM, SHERRY AND KEEGAN LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES FROM, UH, SKI RESORTS LIKE PARK CITY VEIL, ASPEN TO TAOS SANTA FE THROUGH IN A PLACE IN FLORIDA, SARASOTA.

UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THIS AND THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EASY TO ACCESS THEIR SURVEYS.

AND THERE WERE SOME THEMES THAT EMERGED.

UM, FIRST, ALL OF THESE SURVEYS ESSENTIALLY HAD SOME BASIC DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, NOT THAT IDENTIFIED PEOPLE OF COURSE, BUT AGE DEMOGRAPHICS AND COMMUNITY DEMOGRAPHICS AND WHETHER YOU EVEN BELONG IN THAT COMMUNITY IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT.

AND SO WE WOULD URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT.

IT ALSO HAS THE SIDE BENEFIT OF POTENTIALLY SENDING SOME TARGETED COMMUNICATIONS TO COHORTS IN THAT COMMUNITY.

UM, INVEST IN BAILING SURVEYS.

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UM, I'D SAY THE BIGGEST ITEM IS AVOID SPECIFIC AND DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT ARE PREDICATED ON A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF THE TOPIC.

SO WHAT I MEAN HERE IS YOU ASK A SPECIFIC THING, DO WE SPEND MILLIONS ON MILLION ON SUCH? AND SO, AND LET'S FACE IT, MOST UH, CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE NOT GOTTEN INTO THE WEEDS.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO ANSWER, I BELIEVE, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, UH, WELL, I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY.

WHY SHOULD WE DO THIS? AND CERTAINLY YOU HAVE TO SAY, THERE WAS A THEME IN OUR SURVEY OF DON'T DO ANYTHING.

YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S CLEARLY, AND I, I WOULD WANNA GO BACK TO THAT BECAUSE FUNDAMENTALLY THIS POPULATION OF PEOPLE VOTED IN THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTED CERTAIN IDEAS.

SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT.

YOU HAVE A CITY COUNCIL THAT'S VOTED IN, UH, WITH FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT MAJORITIES, AND THEN THE CITIZENS SAY, I DON'T LIKE ANY OF IT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

SO YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

AND WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS, INSTEAD FOCUS ON BROAD PRIORITIES.

SO A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS IN THE OTHER SURVEYS WERE, UH, LET'S SAY, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU ABOUT TRAFFIC? RATE IT ON A ONE TO 10.

OKAY? NOT ARE IS THE BRIDGE THAT'S GONNA BE 42, YOU KNOW, 10 MILLION, WHATEVER, WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE LEADERS TO COME BACK WITH SOME PROPOSALS AND SOME IDEAS.

UH, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE MORE WITH GARBAGE COLLECTION COMING UP.

UM, INCREASE THE MARKETING OF THE STANDARD AND STANDARDIZED AND VETTED NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY.

I'VE SEEN THAT SENT OUT BY US PERIODICALLY.

A NUMBER OF THESE TOWNS, INTERESTINGLY JUST USE THAT.

YOU SAY, WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE LIMITING, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION, BUT MY SUSPICION IS THEY JUST USED IT BECAUSE IT'S STANDARDIZED AND VETTED.

UM, AT A MINIMUM, IF WE'RE NOT DOING IT ALREADY, WE SHOULD GET THE RESORT BENCHMARK THAT'S AVAILABLE TO RESORT COMMUNITIES.

SO, AS I WAS DIGGING INTO THIS, THERE IS A SPECIALIZED SMALL RESORT, UH, COHORT THAT WE COULD COMPARE OURSELVES AGAINST IF WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO DO SEDONA SPECIFIC SURVEYS, KEEP THEM BRIEF.

THAT WAS ANOTHER TAKEAWAY FROM THESE SURVEYS, HALF THE LENGTH OF OURS, AND NOT SPECIFIC PRIORITIES, BUT NOT SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS THAT REQUIRE A DETAILED UNDERSTANDING.

UM, AND THEN USE TOWN HALLS TO OBTAIN FEEDBACK AND SPECIFIC ISSUES.

SO THEN THE SORT OF SPECIFICITY THAT WE HAD ADDRESS THEM THROUGH MEETINGS, TOWN HALLS, ET CETERA, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND THEN GET THEIR RESPONSES TO IT.

UM, MOVING ON, GARBAGE COLLECTION, OH LORD, I SAW LAST YEAR, WE SAW LAST YEAR IT WAS PROPOSED.

WE KNOW THE HISTORY.

A FEW YEARS AGO IT WAS PROPOSED TO CONSOLIDATE.

MANY OF US HAVE COME FROM BIG CITIES AND OTHER PLACES WHERE IT'S BEEN CONSOLIDATED FOR, UM, EMPTY YEARS, UM, WITHOUT MUCH BLOW BACK.

UM, SO I'M GONNA WEAVE THAT INTO THE SITUATION THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

SURVEYS.

THE, THE QUESTION ON GARBAGE COLLECTION ASKED IF WE SHOULD CONSOLIDATE, AND THEN IT LISTED A NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS, WHICH I PERSONALLY AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, NOISE POLLUTION, ET CETERA, AS THE LOGIC.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM WAS, AND IT'LL HELP WITH ROADS OR WHATEVER.

UM, WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS NOT TO GO FORTH RIGHT AWAY, OBVIOUSLY IN THE FACE OF THE RESOUNDING NO, BUT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, SERIOUSLY, CONSIDERING THAT QUESTION UP ONCE AGAIN.

UH, BUT REPHRASING THAT SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT'S PUNCHED UP IS THE ROADS AND ROAD REPAIR.

ONCE I STARTED DIGGING INTO THAT, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF STUDIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, PARTICULARLY I THINK IN TEXAS WHERE HEAVY TRUCKS REALLY DEGRADE ROADS AND THAT RESULTS IN COST.

AND, UH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY

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TO ACCOMPLISH A NUMBER OF THINGS AT ONCE.

BUT I WOULD REFRAME THAT, AND AGAIN, FRAME THE QUESTION IN SUCH A WAY THAT, UM, UH, ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU ABOUT ROAD, UH, UH, EXPENSE AND REPAIR OR WHATEVER, AND, AND HIT IT AROUND THOSE AREAS AND THEN HELP EDUCATE PEOPLE SO THEY GET THE MESSAGE.

UH, SOME OF THE IDEAS TEED UP BY THE GROUP, WERE, WE'RE ALLOWING EXEMPTIONS FOR HOAS WITH PRIVATE ROADS, UH, THAT PREFER TO CONTRACT SEPARATELY, BUT OF COURSE LETTING THEM, UM, UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF THE SINGLE COLLECTION.

AND ALSO GI GIVING RFP SCORING PREFERENCE TO NORTHERN ARIZONA BASED COMPANIES IF ALL THINGS ARE CLOSE.

AND THEN AGAIN, EDUCATING THE PUBLIC.

OKAY, MOVING TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

OVER THAT JUST REALLY BRIEFLY.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE LATELY.

UM, WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS THE GROUP QUICKLY FORMED CONSENSUS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CULTURAL PARK.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

WE DIDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME ON THAT.

BUT WHAT WE DID SPEND SOME TIME ON, AND IT'S OUR BELIEF, AND, UH, IT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED BY THE CITY THAT PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT WITH THE EXPRESS PURPOSES OF LOOKING AT IT FOR HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY AND ALSO ACCESS TO THE BEAUTIFUL TRAIL AREAS.

SO IT HAS A DUAL BENEFIT FOR THE BROAD COMMUNITY AND ALSO FOR SOME OF THE HOUSING ISSUES.

WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, WE ENTHUSIASTICALLY, UH, ENDORSE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION AND TO HAVE A PROTOTYPE, REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A PROTOTYPE COMMUNITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, APARTMENTS, MAYBE TINY HOMES, UH, MARKET RATE HOUSING, UH, A PLACE THAT SUPPORTS, UH, IS LIVELY, CAN SUPPORT THE ARTS.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CULTURAL CENTER, BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS GATHERING PLACES, THINGS LIKE THAT MAY, MAY WAY, WAS VERY VOCAL AROUND THAT ONE.

AND, UH, UH, WE THINK IT'S JUST A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

WE, AND WE'RE PLEASED TO SEE RFPS ARE GOING OUT AND THAT, UH, THIS INITIATIVE WILL BE RAMPING UP SOON AS IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

WE THINK EVALUATING THE DES LAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAY OR MAY NOT BE WARRANTED.

LET'S DO FIRST THINGS FIRST.

SEE HOW THESE BUILD OUTS OF OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE GOING AT A MINIMUM.

UH, WE ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE WATER SPRINKLING IS GONNA BE USED THERE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF IMPEDIMENTS IN OUR OPINION TO USING THAT NOW FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, INCLUDING NO INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT THAT SAID, UM, UH, IT'S AN INTERESTING PIECE OF LAND AND WE THINK EVEN DOWN ROAD, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER OF YEARS, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO ANNEX, SO WE, WHO KNOWS, IT MIGHT BE A PARK, BUT, UH, TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OF THAT.

UM, LET'S SEE.

OKAY, THIS IS ONE THAT, UH, PERSONALLY I GOT REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.

I KNOW ED AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE DID, IS CONSIDERING SENDING THE BUILDING OF ACCESSORY HOUSING UNITS WITH, UH, KITCHENS.

AND I KNOW THIS HAS COME UP TO THE P AND Z AND ALSO FOR CONSOLE.

AND, UM, WHAT WE THINK COULD HAPPEN HERE IS YOU CONNECT THE INCENTIVE TO THE REQUEST TO BUILD OUT THAT A DU WITH A KITCHEN, AND YOU MAKE IT A CONDITION OF GETTING THAT INCENTIVE AND DOING, GOING FORTH A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY THAT PROHIBITS SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT THAT IS, FIRST OFF, IT'S VERY ECONOMICAL.

ANY INCENTIVE'S GONNA BE A LOT LESS THAN BUILDING HOUSING UNITS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

SECOND, IT CREATES MIXED COMMUNITIES, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, SOCIOECONOMIC, UH, IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.

AND, UH, IT, UH, IT JUST, UH, IT, IT PRO PROVIDES A PRACTICAL SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

UH, WE ALSO THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER IN SETTING REMODELS SO THAT YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE A LARGER HOME AND YOU CAN REMODEL TO AN APARTMENT WITHIN THAT HOME, IT COULD BE CONTEMPLATED AND INCENTED AGAIN, WITH THE PROVISO THAT THERE'S A SHORT TERM RESTRICTION.

OBVIOUSLY ALL THIS IS CONTINGENT ON, UH, THE STATE NOT DOING SOMETHING TO BOIC SET UP AND CREATE A NEW PROBLEM.

BUT WE DO THINK THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY AROUND THAT ON SUSTAINABILITY.

I'M GONNA GO

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BOTTOM LINE IS WE THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND AROUND, UH, PARTICULARLY NEW BUILDS AND IN THE AREA OF WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, HEAT PUMPS AND SOME OTHER ITEMS, STORM WATER COLLECTION AND SWALES AND HOW YOU USE THAT STORM WATER IS A PRETTY EASY COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION.

AND THE, UM, UH, THE VERDE RIVER PEOPLE PROVIDE FREE CONSULT FOR THAT.

SO IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD THING TO CONSIDER.

AND WE ALSO THINK WE SHOULD, UH, THE CITY SHOULD EXPAND THE CURRENT COMPOSTING PROGRAM FOR RESIDENTS AND CONTINUE TO INVEST IN RECYCLING PROGRAMS. WASTEWATER.

OKAY, THIS HAS COME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES TOO, BUT WE DO THINK THE CITY SHOULD PRIORITIZE A RATE STUDY TO REEVALUATE THE WA THE WASTEWATER FEES AND OPTIONS, A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUITABLE RATE STRUCTURE.

WE, WE TEND TO THINK THAT ESPECIALLY THE SHORT TERM OCCUPANCY THAT HAS A LOT OF TURNOVER, MAY BE GENERATING MORE OF THAT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT.

AND WE ALSO SUPPORT, UM, THE FUNDING OF DEEP WELL AND INJECTION DEVELOPMENT AND FUNDING.

WE HAD SOME PEOPLE WITH EXPERTISE ON THAT SUBJECT ON THE TEAM.

AND WHILE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, SHERRY EXPLAINED TO US HOW THIS COULD BE DONE WITH, UH, BONDS SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE USERS AT THE TIME ARE ACTUALLY FUNDING THE PAYMENT OF THOSE BONDS.

WHY WE LIKE IT IS CERTAINLY, IT'S BETTER THAN SPRAYING WATER, MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE, BUT ALSO, AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT IS IT'S A RELIABILITY FACTOR.

UH, AND THAT IS ESSENTIAL TO RUNNING A, A PROPER WASTEWATER FACILITY.

SO NOW I'M GONNA TURN OVER THE LAST COUPLE TO LANCE BECAUSE HE'S A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THOSE.

AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A DRAFT UP.

ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, HAVE, BORROW YOUR, UH, SURE.

HERE GO SO MUCH LANCE TALL WITH YOUR NAME.

NOT EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS YOU, SO JUST GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS LANCE, UH, G WALDROP.

I LIVE AT 2 0 5 LAKE DRIVE, AND I'VE BEEN IN RESIDENT CITY OF SEDONA FOR SEVEN YEARS, ALONG WITH MY WIFE DIANE.

UM, SHE TOUCHED ON, UH, WASTEWATER, UH, AND IT, UH, THE, UH, THE BULLET POINTS WERE RIGHT ON TARGET.

SO, UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO PW PUBLIC WORKS.

UH, THE, THE SUGGESTION, UH, AND KIND OF THE TONE AND TEMPO ABOUT ELECTRIFICATION OF MOTOR VEHICLES, UM, THERE, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO LET SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO THE DIRTY WORK FOR US AND MAYBE SET SOME BENCHMARKS FIRST.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, BECAUSE MY ENTIRE CAREER IS CENTERED ON FLEET MANAGEMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES AND SUCH, UH, AT THE COMMERCIAL GOVERNMENTAL LEVEL, PRIMARILY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, THAT FOR NOW WE CAN SUSTAIN, UH, 6,500 GROSS WEIGHT AND DOWN.

NOW WHAT THAT MEANS IS LIGHT PICKUP TRUCKS, STANDARD PASSENGER CAR MINIVANS, THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT THEY HAVE TO BE NON TACTICAL.

AND WHAT I MEAN IS NO POLICE CARS, NO SNOW PLOWS, NO DUMP TRUCKS, THAT KIND OF THING.

UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE KIND OF THE CORE MISSION OF ANY SORT OF A, A FEDERAL OR STATE OR, OR MUNICIPAL ENTITY, IT IS THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF LIFE AND PROPERTY.

AND SO ANYTHING IN THOSE ROLLING THAT ROLL STOCK THAT WAY, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT AS CONVENTIONAL ICE OR SOME SORT OF A MORE RELIABLE HYBRID SETUP.

UM, AND, UH, I BELIEVE YOU JUST WANTED ME TO TOUCH PUB PUBLIC WORKS, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

UM, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

UH, UH, THE, THE STATE OF ARIZONA LEADS THE NATION IN BATTERY FAILURE ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND I'M TALKING ABOUT MOTOR VEHICLE PLATFORMS, BOTH HYBRID STRAIGHT ELECTRIC AND ICE.

VOLKSWAGEN OF AMERICA IN 2012 DID A STUDY BECAUSE THE WARRANTY CLAIMS FOR ARIZONA WERE JUST ASTOUNDING.

AND THE OTHER, UH, TIER ONE STEPPED IN AND SAID, UH, YEAH, IT'S ASTOUNDING.

SO ESSENTIALLY A FIVE YEAR BATTERY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT YOU BUY FOR YOUR STANDARD PRIVATE CAR FROM O'REILLY'S, YOU CAN EXPECT TO GET TWO YEARS OUT OF IT AND PRORATE THE THREE YEARS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S THE SAME FOR ELECTRICS.

THEY JUST DON'T HOLD UP HERE.

AND THE TWO CAUSES ARE HEAT AND VIBRATION TEMPERATURE SHIFTS.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT CHEMICAL STORAGE DEVICES DETEST.

IT'S PHYSICS.

WE CAN'T ESCAPE FROM IT, AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

UM, AND THAT'S

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WHY, UH, I, I REALLY, UH, THERE ARE TWO RENEWABLE FUELS THAT, UH, ARE READILY AVAILABLE.

ONE IS B 10 OR B 20 BIODIESEL.

THE OTHER ONE IS E 85, WHICH IS 85% MOONSHINE OR CORN WHISKEY.

SO E 80 FIVE'S AVAILABLE.

AND THE COOL THING ABOUT THE, THE TIER ONES, I'M TALKING ABOUT FCA GENERAL MOTORS AND FORD, IS THAT IN THEIR FLEET LINES, THEY OFFER E 85 SPECIFICALLY FOR MUNICIPAL USE.

AND, UH, THAT'S A, A VERY, YOU KNOW, VERY PRUDENT MEASURE UNTIL SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND THE OES HAVE MADE FUEL CELL TECH AND ELECTRICAL TECH SOMETHING THAT IS VIABLE ACROSS THE BOARD.

'CAUSE IT'S ONE THING AS A, A STANDARD PEDESTRIAN OR STANDARD, UH, UH, UH, PRIVATE CITIZEN TO HAVE AN ELECTRIC, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING WHEN WE PUT OUR, UH, OUR UNIFORM OFFICERS IN OR IF WE HAVE TO PUSH SNOW, IT'S JUST, I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE JUST YET.

OR I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, TREAD CAREFULLY BEFORE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION.

ANYWAY, MY TIME IS UP AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.

THANK YOU FOR, FROM THE GROUP FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

UH, WE FOUND IT A REALLY INTERESTING PROCESS.

ARE THERE MICRO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE, YOU HAVE TO BE ON ONE MIC OR THE OTHER.

LYNN BROADCAST.

WHAT ON THE MICROPHONE? OH, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE, BRIAN? NOT SO MUCH QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU TO THE GROUP.

UM, YOUR MEMO READ VERY WELL.

UM, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH YOUR FEEDBACK ABOUT THE SURVEY.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ON MY MIND, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND I'VE DONE, UH, PROFESSIONAL SURVEY WRITING, SO I VERY MUCH AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR FINDINGS.

I'M SURE, UH, MY FELLOW COUNCILOR DUNN MIGHT HAVE SOME OPINIONS ABOUT SURVEY WRITING AS WELL.

UH, BUT OVERALL, JUST HUGE THANKS TO ALL OF YOU.

I THOUGHT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE EXCELLENT.

COUNCILOR DUNN, NOTHING, NO QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD HEARTILY AGREE.

I THINK, UM, THIS WAS VERY WELL DONE, VERY, VERY WELL WRITTEN, AND MY SURVEYMONKEY ACCOUNT WENT CRAZY WHEN I SAW WHAT YOU HAD IN OUR SURVEY, SO JUST, JUST SAYING EVEN IT WAS A LITTLE UPSET.

THANK YOU, LYNN.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY IN THE GROUP.

I PARTICIPATED IN THIS WORK GROUP FOR FIVE YEARS, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOW IT WORKS.

BUT WE ALSO DID A FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY, UH, EFFORT A FEW YEARS AGO, AND THAT GROUP, UH, UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED WE DO PAY AS YOU GO FINANCING.

AND SO I WONDERED, YOU SAID YOU RECOMMENDED BONDING, WHICH WOULD BE COUNTER TO WHAT WE RECOMMENDED AT THE TIME.

AND, UH, I WONDERED IF YOU HAD DISCUSSED THAT AT ALL.

WE DID NOT DISCUSS THE PAYS YOU GO.

AND SO, UH, WE DID DISCUSS THE BONDING AND, AND THAT WAS EXPLAINED TO US.

SO WE'RE OPEN, I GUESS WHAT WE, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY WE'RE OPEN TO HOW IT WOULD BE FINANCED, BUT THAT THE USERS WOULD BE THE ONES WHO SUPPORT THAT AT THE TIME.

AND WHAT REALLY WAS EYE-OPENING TO US WAS THAT IT'S NOT A $20 MILLION BOOM THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT IN, THAT THERE'S VARIOUS FINANCING STRATEGIES.

SO THE GROUP WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO THAT.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR TO SAY.

THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.

JESSICA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE I REALLY APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE VERY HIGH LEVEL AND NOT, NOT ABOUT ALL THE LITTLE THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL.

IT'S EXACTLY THE LEVEL OF FEEDBACK THAT I THINK I WELCOME.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK, COUNCILOR FURMAN.

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT IT'S TIME FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE UP AS TO HOW WE THINK ABOUT BUDGETING IN, IN GENERAL.

YEAH, I AGREE.

UH, THANKS TO THE GROUP ONCE AGAIN FOR, FOR DOING THIS.

I THINK IT'S A VERY, IM ONE OF THE IMPORTANT GROUPS THAT WE HAVE ANNUALLY IS THIS BUDGET WORK GROUP, AND I'M GLAD THAT IT'S CONTINUING AND SEEM TO HAVE BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE.

MUCH OF THE INPUT HERE IS TOPICS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT AS WELL.

UM, THE NEW THINGS I HEARD THAT I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE FIT INTO A FUTURE CONVERSATION.

PERHAPS YOU HAD SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THE, THE BUDGET ITSELF AND HOW IT'S CONSTRUCTED, THE SEVEN YEAR OUTLOOK OR THE, THE LACK OF DATA.

UM, I THINK THERE'S OTHER CONCEPTS THAT IT'S PERHAPS TIME TO TALK ABOUT.

WE JUST MENTIONED CASH FINANCING VERSUS BOND.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER IDEAS OUT THERE IN THE WORLD ABOUT A TWO YEAR BUDGET CYCLE INSTEAD OF A ONE YEAR BUDGET CYCLE.

AND, AND, UH, SO

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AND THEN THE WHOLE IDEA ABOUT THE SURVEY IMPROVEMENTS IN TOWN HALLS AND, UM, CITIZEN, UH, FEEDBACK AND COMMUNICATION STRATEGY, I, I THINK IS ALSO AN AREA THAT'S RIPE PERHAPS FOR US TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT CHANGES WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT.

WELL, THANK YOU.

I, I, I KNOW I SPEAK FOR THE GROUP IN SAYING IT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING EXPERIENCE.

IT WAS A HIGHLY ENGAGED GROUP.

WE THREW A LOT OF IDEAS AROUND AND I THINK WE ALL EMBRACED TAKING A MORE STRATEGIC VIEW BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BUDGET RIGHT BEFORE ROLLOUT, HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO BE IN VERY GOOD SHAPE AND WELL ATTUNED TO WHAT THE CITY'S BEEN WORKING ON.

SO TAKING A MORE STRATEGIC VIEW WAS HELPFUL.

AND WE ALSO THOUGHT THAT THE, UH, THE SURVEY OPPORTUNITY, PARTICULARLY AFTER DOING THE BENCHMARKING, IS ONE THAT IS, UH, TO USE YOUR WORD RIPE FOR, UH, UH, A REVISIT AND COULD HELP SUPPORT FORWARD MOVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

WELL, WE'RE NOT DONE LYNN.

WE'RE NOT DONE.

HI LYNN.

, OBVIOUSLY YOU WANNA GET THE HECK OUTTA HERE.

I'M BACK.

, YES, SIR CATHOLIC.

ELLA JUST WANNA ECHO THANK YOUS TO THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE.

UM, THIS WAS REALLY SUCH A, AN EASY READ , UM, WITH OBVIOUSLY SUCH REALLY IT REFLECTED THE CONVERSATION I FELT LIKE I COULD HEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS BANDING THIS ABOUT, AND I JUST APPRECIATE WHAT YOU CHOSE TO HIGHLIGHT AS THE HIGH LEVEL TOPICS TO, YOU KNOW, TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION.

AND I LIKE THAT IT ALSO, FOR ME, I LIKE THAT IT ECHOED THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ON MY MIND.

SO ESPECIALLY I THOUGHT THE, UM, WORDING ABOUT THE ADUS WAS PARTICULARLY HELPFUL AND SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING.

SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT IT COMES OUT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU GUYS ARE HAVING TOO, THAT THAT WAS SORT OF THE SAME TRAINS OF THOUGHTS ARE, ARE HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY.

SO AGAIN, I WON'T REPEAT EVERYTHING.

I'M JUST GONNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS WORK.

REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THE COMMITTEE DID.

THANK YOU, COUNSELOR.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THIS PORTION WITH SAYING THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I'VE NEVER PARTICIPATED IN THAT PARTICULAR GROUP, BUT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS OVER THE, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, HOW MUCH WORK GOES INTO IT.

OBVIOUSLY YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

I, I ALSO LIKED THE COMMENTS.

WHAT I REALLY APPRECIATED WAS THAT YOU KEPT IT HIGH LEVEL AND YOU DIDN'T DIG TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS.

AND I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY START TO GO THERE DURING THE GROUP, BUT FOR YOUR REPORT, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU KEPT IT INTO THE WEEDS AND I, I TOO HAVE HAD, UH, I HAD TO REFLECT, UH, CLOSELY ON THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT WERE, WERE BROUGHT, UH, FORTH FROM THE, THE PUBLIC, THE 800 COMMENTS, 800 PLUS.

AND I SEE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT, UH, AND THE WAY THE QUESTIONS WERE DESIGNED BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED, DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION AGAIN, COMMUNICATION.

SO, UM, THANK YOU AGAIN AND, UH, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY, THANKS AND WE'RE WELCOME.

YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO STAY IF YOU'D LIKE TO, IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE, .

ITEM D, AN OVERVIEW OF DEPARTMENT BUDGETS WILL BE PRESENTED AND REVIEWED, UH, WITH ANY DEPARTMENTS REQUESTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY,

[3.d. An overview of departmental budgets will be presented and reviewed with any departments requested by the City Council. ]

SO SHERRY, YOU GONNA DO THIS PORTION? UM, YES, I'M GONNA START IT OFF.

UM, SO WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS, UM, SO I MENTIONED THE TAB ORDER.

SO, UM, WE WILL BE STARTING WITH WASTEWATER AND, UM, IN EACH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT SECTIONS.

UM, SO WE'LL HAVE POWERPOINT SLIDES THAT WILL GIVE A SUMMARY OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE DIRECT COSTS FOR THE PROGRAM, A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE ONE TIME COSTS ARE THAT ARE INCLUDED, UH, THE DECISION PACKAGES FOR THAT DEPARTMENT, IF THERE ARE ANY CIP PROJECTS, IF THERE ARE ANY.

AND, UM, AND THEN DISCUSSION IF THEY HAVE ANY FEE CHANGES THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE.

UM, THEN THE, UM, ACCOMPLISHMENTS, GOALS AND, UM, PERFORMANCE MEASURES, WORKLOAD INDICATORS ARE IN THE NOTEBOOK, SO TO KIND OF REFER BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE POWERPOINT AND THE BOOK.

SO, UM, UH, ALSO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

SO WE DO TALK ABOUT, UM, ONGOING VERSUS ONE TIME ONGOING.

ARE THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, HAPPEN, UM, REGULARLY EACH YEAR ONE TIME OR THINGS THAT ARE, ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT TYPICALLY DONE EVERY YEAR? SO, UH, FOR INSTANCE, WE PUT ELECTION COSTS IN ONE TIME BECAUSE THOSE

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HAPPEN EVERY OTHER YEAR.

THEY'RE NOT AN EVERY YEAR TYPE THING.

UM, WHEN LOOKING AT THE CIP PROJECTS, UM, WE DO HAVE OUR PRIORITIZATION AND SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT ON SOME OF THE SLIDES.

UM, THE IMPERATIVE, UM, CATEGORY IS THE LEVEL ONE ESSENTIAL IS, IS LEVEL TWO IMPORTANT, LEVEL THREE AND DESIRABLE LEVEL FOUR.

SO, UM, WE WILL HAVE THE, THOSE IN THE SLIDES.

SO, SO GOING INTO WASTEWATER, DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT, UH, SO FOR WASTEWATER, THE CHANGES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, SO THE FISCAL YEAR 24, BUDGET, DIRECT COST, UM, ABOUT 3.6 MILLION, GOING TO ABOUT 3.9.

UM, A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE IN ONE-TIME COST ABOUT 95,000.

UM, SOME INCREASES IN THE WAGES AND BENEFITS.

AND WE'LL GO MORE, UM, IN THE, THE OVERALL BIG PICTURE SECTION ABOUT THE WAGES AND BENEFITS AND THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED THERE, ABOUT 93,000, UM, AND VARIOUS THINGS THAT I HAVE ON HERE.

UM, ANOTHER ONE OF THE, THE BIGGER ONES WOULD BE THE, UM, INCREASE IN THE COLLECTION SYSTEMS FOR THE PUMP AND MOTOR MAINTENANCE AND REBUILD SUPPLIES ABOUT 56,000.

THE CHANGE FROM THE FISCAL YEAR 24 TO FISCAL YEAR 25 IS 8%.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST THE ONGOING PORTION, UM, IT'S GOING UP 7% ON THE ONE TIME.

SO IN THE ONE TIME COST THERE'S ABOUT 564,000.

UM, A VARIETY OF THINGS IN HERE.

UM, THERE'S SOME CARRYOVERS FROM THE, UM, FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET INTO FISCAL YEAR 25 TO COMPLETE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. 95,000.

UM, THERE'S VEHICLE LEASES AND A BALANCE PAYOFF.

UM, THE TOTAL UP TO ABOUT 44,000.

THE VECTOR TRUCK FINANCE PURCHASE PAYMENT IS IN THE BUDGET, ABOUT 148,000.

UM, UH, THERE'S CARRYOVER FOR THE POLYMER, UM, CHLORINE POLYMER SKID REPLACEMENTS, BUT THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT IS BEING ADDED TO THAT AS WELL.

SO, UM, 79,000 THERE.

UM, AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BIG THINGS THAT ARE IN THE, THE ONE TIME COSTS.

ANYTHING ON ANY OF THE OPERATING BUDGET STUFF AT THAT TIME, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP TO THE MEASURES, UM, BEFORE WE HEAD INTO THE, THE CIP, UM, STUFF AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT, UM, GOALS, OBJECTIVES, UM, ACCOMPLISHMENTS, PERFORMANCE MEASURES FOR ROXANNE.

SO SOME OF THIS QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ARE KIND OF POINTING AT WHAT I THINK ARE ALSO THINGS THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER IN WHEN WE CONTINUE TO DO THE BUDGET PROCESS.

BUT ONE QUESTION, FIRST QUESTION I HAD REALLY IS THE PERSONNEL SERVICES.

I'M LOOKING AT WASTEWATER TWO ADMINISTRATION COSTS, THE PERSONNEL SERVICES, JUST A REMINDER TO MYSELF, IS THAT A FULLY BURDENED NUMBER? IS THAT JUST THE LA THE SALARY? THAT'S SALARY AND BENEFITS? THAT'S SALARY AND BENEFITS.

SO THEY ARE FULLY BURDENED.

THAT'S IT.

NOPE, THERE, THERE'S MORE.

NO, BE SURE.

AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT WASTEWATER THREE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS A QUESTION THAT PER IS THROUGHOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST WASTEWATER, BUT LOOKING AT WASTEWATER THREE.

AND WE KIND OF GO RIGHT TO LEFT IN THERE.

FISCAL 22, ACTUAL FISCAL 23 ACTUAL, THEN FISCAL 24 ESTIMATE.

WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON, COUNSELOR? I'M ON WASTEWATER THREE, ISN'T IT? WW THREE IN BOOK, SO NOT IN THE, IN THE BOOK.

IN THE BOOK, YEAH.

BIG BOOK.

SO THE ACTUALS THEN SFY 24 ESTIMATE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AGAIN, WHAT'S THE ESTIMATE? SO, UM, THE COLUMN RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THE, THE FISCAL YEAR 24 TARGET ARE THE NUMBERS FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET BOOK THAT WE TARGETED SAYING WE THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE WHAT THE AMOUNTS ARE.

THE FISCAL YEAR 24 ESTIMATE IS NOW OUR CURRENT ESTIMATE OF WHERE WE THINK THOSE NUMBERS WILL END UP BEING.

SO THE TARGET, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FISCAL YEAR 24 ACTUAL NUMBER YET.

YEAH, I, I THINK THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

WE USE THESE WORDS, WE DON'T ACTUALLY USE THE WORDS BUDGET VERY OFTEN, BUT WE USE THE WORD ESTIMATE.

WE USE ACTUALS, ACTUAL'S, A PRETTY CLEAR NUMBER, THE WORD ESTIMATE, THE WORDS TARGETS, THOSE AREN'T REALLY CLEAR WORDS IN MY MIND AS TO WHAT THE DEFINITIONS SHOULD BE.

SO PERHAPS IT'S JUST ABOUT ME LEARNING WHAT OUR WORD IS.

BUT WE'VE GOT A SFY 24 ESTIMATE AND THEN FY 24 PROJECTION.

25 PROJECTION IN ADVANCE OF THE YEAR.

SO IN THE WORKLOAD INDICATORS, WE CALLED IT A A PROJECTION.

SO THERE'S ALSO LIKE A 20 FISCAL YEAR,

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WE'RE PROJECTING HOW MUCH WE THINK, UM, IT COULD BE.

AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE MEASURE SECTION, IT'S CALLED A TARGET.

SO THE FIRST ESTIMATE WAS THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL 24.

THIS, THE, THE COLUMN TO THE LEFT OF IT PROJECTION IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ESTIMATING TO BE THE EXPENDITURE BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

CORRECT? YEAH.

AND THEN THAT, THAT WAS, UH, I'LL HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS IN SOME OF THE OTHER DETAIL SECTIONS, MAYOR, BUT THOSE WERE THE OVERVIEW THINGS I WANTED TO ASK.

VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? I DO, AND THIS IS ALSO NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY WASTEWATER, BUT IN GENERAL, WE'VE ENGAGED IN A LEASING PROGRAM FOR OUR VEHICLES A FEW YEARS BACK.

IS THERE A, A NATURAL PLACE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I SEE THAT THERE'S VEHICLE LEASES AND BALANCE PAYOFF.

MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU INTENDING TO PURCHASE THOSE VEHICLES? SO IS THE LEASE LEASE PURCHASE ON ALL OF OUR VEHICLES OR IS IT LEASE? AND THEN ONCE THE THE LEASE IS OVER, THEN WE, WE REPLACE THAT VEHICLE.

SO FOR THE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE GETTING THROUGH ENTERPRISE, UM, WE PAY LEASE PAYMENTS THROUGHOUT AND THEN WE HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER PAYING THIS BALANCE PAYOFF AMOUNT AND OWNING THE VEHICLE AT THE END.

OR WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, SELL THE VEHICLE AND GET A REPLACEMENT UM, VEHICLE.

SO, UM, THERE, THERE'S THE OPTION WHEN THE ENTERPRISE, UM, PROGRAM WAS FIRST INTRODUCED QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO, THAT WAS WHEN JUSTIN WAS STILL HERE.

UM, THE PLAN THAT ENTERPRISE WAS PROPOSING WAS THAT WE WOULD, UM, REPLACE VEHICLES A LOT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN WHAT WE WOULD, BUT SHORTLY AFTER WE WENT INTO THAT, THEN COVID HIT, WE CUT BACK ON THINGS AND WE NEVER HAVE REALLY GONE BACK TO THAT PLAN.

UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, AN A SU STUDENT, WE, WE GOT A REQUEST FROM AN A SU PROFESSOR IN THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS SCHOOL OF DO YOU HAVE PROJECTS THAT OUR STUDENTS CAN WORK ON? AND SO ONE OF THE STUDENTS IS WORKING ON AN EVALUATION OF THE, UM, PROGRAM, UM, TO, TO HELP ANALYZE AND FIGURE OUT IS THIS REALLY THE BEST THING FOR US? SO THAT IS IN THE WORKS.

OH, EXCELLENT.

SO SHERRY, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS NOW? ARE WE STILL LEASING OR WE'RE LEASING AND PURCHASING? UH, WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? UM, SO WE DO THE LEASING THROUGH ENTERPRISE, RIGHT? FOR A LOT OF THE VEHICLES.

UM, THEY DON'T REALLY DO, UM, LIKE THE PATROL, UM, THE POLICE PURSUIT VEHICLES BECAUSE OF THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THOSE.

SO THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROGRAM SET UP FOR THAT.

SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THE, UM, THE FINANCE PURCHASE, UM, WHERE BASICALLY IT'S JUST, UM, THROUGH A BANK, UM, THAT WE'RE FINANCING THE COST FOR THE PATROL VEHICLES.

AND I THOUGHT BACK IN, IN THE TIME WHEN JUSTIN WAS HERE, THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE ENTERPRISE LEASE THAT THEY DID DO.

THEY DIDN'T? NO, NO, NO.

SO THAT WAS MY MISUNDERSTANDING.

IT, IT, IT WAS, UM, VERY SPECIFICALLY ONE, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, THE THING THAT WAS VERY APPEALING ABOUT THE PROGRAM WAS THAT THEY SAID, UM, YOU CAN GET A TRUCK AN F-150 OR F TWO 50 AT THE GOVERNMENT RATES, DRIVE IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND THEN BE ABLE TO SELL IT FOR AS MUCH AS WHAT WE PAID FOR IT.

UM, AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THAT CYCLING THROUGH THE PROGRAM THAT WE NEVER REALLY GOT TO.

SO, AND BECAUSE OF, UM, THINGS KIND OF JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN THE WAY WE EXPECTED WITH COD, IT STILL MAKES SENSE TO REPLACE SOME OF THE OLDER VEHICLES INSTEAD OF SOME OF THESE NEWER ONES THAT'S NON-POLICE.

UH, THIS IS A PROCESS QUESTION.

SO SHERRY, OR MAYBE KAREN OR ANDY MIGHT WANNA ANSWER THIS.

SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE WITH WASTEWATER, THIS ONE TIME LIST OF EXPENSES, I ASSUME, ROXANNE, YOU PUT THIS TOGETHER AND SAID, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

BECAUSE WE'RE CLEARLY NOT, I MEAN, ADD ALL SEVEN OF US UP AND WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER THIS IS A SENSIBLE BUDGET REQUEST OR NOT.

SO WHO CHALLENGES YOU ON THAT? RIGHT, BECAUSE I SIT HERE AND LOOK AT THIS, I ONLY KNOW WHAT ABOUT THREE OF THESE THINGS ARE BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN MY WHEELHOUSE.

I KNOW WHAT A ZERO TURN MOWER IS, I KNOW WHAT CDL TRAINING IS AND I CAN GUESS WHAT A GPS LOCATOR THE REST OF IT YOU GOT ME.

SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR REVIEWING THIS BEFORE IT GETS TO US?

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SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO WE GO THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND, AND EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS AND WHAT THE NEED IS AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO PUSH THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

KAREN, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO ANSWER.

UH, I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT.

SO, SO WHEN YOU SEE YOUR BUDGET, YOU SEE IT IN A, UM, CONDENSED DIVERSION.

WHEN WE DO THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET MEETINGS, THE CITY MANAGER DEPARTMENT MEETINGS, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN LINE ITEM DETAIL AS WELL.

SO THERE IS A DEEPER DIVE AT THAT LEVEL.

SORRY, BUT BEFORE YOU SEE IT, WE'VE ALREADY SCRUBBED THROUGH, WE'VE ASKED ABOUT VARIANCES, UM, WE NOW HAVE A BUDGET ANALYST ON STAFF, WHICH HAS BEEN ALSO VERY HELPFUL, UM, IN, IN TAKING A LOOK AND, AND ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS AND REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE VETTING THE BUDGET BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU.

YEAH, I MEAN IT'S JUST, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S INFLATION, OBVIOUSLY YOU GOTTA DO THINGS 8% CHANGE, 7% ON ONGOING.

I MEAN, IT'S SOBERING, RIGHT? SO JUST ASKING.

SO IF SOMEBODY IN THE PUBLIC SAYS, HEY, WHO'S ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THIS? YOU KNOW, I WANNA BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? OH, COUNCILOR DOUG, AGAIN, IT'S JUST REALLY SORT OF A GENERAL QUESTION.

UM, MOSTLY ON PROCESS AND I'M JUST TAKING IT OUT ON WASTEWATER 'CAUSE YOU'RE FIRST, BUT THERE ARE SOMETIMES, UM, IN PARTICULAR, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO CIP PROJECTS YET, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE MENTIONED IN SORT OF GLANCING WAY LAST BUDGET AND DURING CONVERSATIONS, OTHER COUNCIL MEETINGS IN PARTICULAR, I'LL JUST PICK ON YOU, WHICH ARE THE RECHARGE WELLS, RIGHT? OR THE INJECTION WELLS THAT WE TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU NEED ANOTHER, I THINK TWO OR THREE, UM, MENTIONED IN LIKE IN THE DELLS AND THAT WOULD RELEASE THE PIPING AND THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THE PIPING CONSTANTLY FIXED.

DO YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE IT COMES HERE AND MAKE THE DECISION THAT WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT OFF? ONE OF THE REASONS I'M CONCERNED IS THAT EVERY YEAR, FOR ME, THIS IS ONLY MY SECOND ONE, THE NUMBER OF THE POTENTIAL COST HAS GONE UP PRETTY DRAMATICALLY FOR THINKING SEVEN AND 8% IS DRAMATIC AND IT'S GONNA KEEP GOING UP NOT JUST ON ON THE ACTUAL DOING OF IT, BUT I'M SURE WHEN YOU GET IN THERE AND YOU FIND OUT WHAT ADEC IS GONNA REQUIRE OF YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SPRAYING EFFLUENT ON THE PROPERTY AND ALSO THAT THOSE ARE, THERE'S THESE UNINTENDED COSTS I'M SURE THAT WILL SHOW UP IN ANY PROJECT.

AND SO I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE HAVING SOME DEEP DISCUSSION.

'CAUSE LAST YEAR WHAT I REMEMBER IS THAT YOU HAD VOLUNTARILY SAID, WE WON'T DO THAT THIS YEAR.

UM, AND WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT OFF.

BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS IF WE NEED TO DO THIS, IF WE WAIT TWO MORE YEARS, WHAT IS THAT GONNA COST US IN MATERIALS, IN PEOPLE, IN WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE? AND I JUST WANNA KNOW WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING AT A DEEP LEVEL AT YOURS AS OPPOSED TO, WELL, WE'LL CUT THAT LINE ITEM AND THEN WE'LL BE IN, IN BUDGET HEAVEN.

UM, UH, WHICH BY THE WAY, I FIND THIS MORE LIKE PURGATORY AND UM, AND, AND I JUST WORRY THAT IT'S GONNA COME IN FRONT OF US AND SUDDENLY WE'RE GONNA GO, WHEN DID THIS GET SO EXPENSIVE? AND I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER ITEMS IN HERE THE SAME WAY, BUT I'M PICKING ON YOU.

UH, YEAH, WE DEFINITELY TAKE A DEEP LOOK AT LONG-TERM PLANNING OF PROJECTS FOR CIP AND YOU'LL SEE WHEN I GO OVER THE CIP TODAY, WE'RE GONNA BE DELAYING THOSE PROJECTS AGAIN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, HOLISTIC VIEW OF WHAT OUR CIP LOOKS LIKE LONG TERM AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE DECISIONS ON WHAT DIRECTION TO GO.

HAVING ALL THAT INFORMATION BY NEXT BUDGET YEAR.

THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.

AND THEN JESSICA, YOU HAVE, UH, COUNSELOR DUNN.

I HAD THE EXACT SAME REACTION AND UH, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY, ROXANNE, THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE LONG-TERM VIEW BECAUSE I FELT LIKE HERE WE GO AGAIN.

THIS IS POPPING UP NOW, IT'S $25 MILLION AND YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DO WE BITE THE BULLET AND JUST SAY, WE HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE $30 MILLION AND WE'LL HAVE INVESTED 3 MILLION TO STAVE OFF, YOU KNOW, THE 25 MILLION, BUT THEN IT'S GONNA BE 30 MILLION.

SO, UH, I, I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE NOT ONLY THE INJECTION WELLS, BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU SEE THAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE THAT, THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT.

SO WE CAN GET OUR HEADS AROUND THAT.

WE'LL GO OVER ALL OF THAT.

THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES, NOT ONLY IN PRICE INCREASES AND TIMING OF THESE PROJECTS, BUT REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS AS WELL THAT COME INTO PLAY FOR OUR PROJECTS.

THANK

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YOU.

COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON.

AND IF ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, I JUST, SO NEXT YEAR INJECTION WELLS WILL BE DISCUSSED AT SOME LENGTH.

THERE'LL BE A, A PRO YOU'LL HAVE A PLAN FOR FOR HOW THOSE FIT INTO THE BUDGET.

WELL, WE ALREADY DO HAVE A PLAN, BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO THAT.

NO, NO, I KNOW, BUT THAT'S, AND A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ISN'T REALLY A PLAN.

IT'S, IT'S, I MEANT HOW YOU PLAN TO GO FORWARD.

SO YES.

UH, IS THERE ANY NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S EMERGING IN TERMS OF INJECTION WELLS THAT MIGHT, UM, FIT INTO TO THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU'RE HAVING? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY NEW TECHNOLOGY IN SPECIFIC TO RECHARGE WELLS, BUT THERE ARE SOME NEW REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT PRESENT POTENTIALLY A DIFFERENT FO MANAGEMENT MAKE IT CHEAPER.

PETE, ANYTHING? YES, COUNCILOR FURMAN.

GO.

THANK, MAYOR.

SO I'M GONNA, UH, ONLY TALK ABOUT SORT OF MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU ROXANNE, ON ABOUT THE OPERATIONS.

JUST SOME THINGS THAT, UH, HIT MY ATTENTION.

THESE PAGES ARE IN THE BOOK, I LOOK AT 'EM AND THEN HERE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT JUST POP OUT TO ME.

SO I'M LOOKING AT WASTEWATER FIVE UP IN THE WORKLOAD INDICATOR SECTION, ROXANNE SEWER HOTLINE.

WHERE DID I REALLY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? SURE.

IT WAS MORE THE NUMBER OF SAMPLES COLLECTED.

THE ZEROS? YEAH, THOSE ZEROS.

UH, YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY I DID NOT CATCH THAT BEFORE THESE BOOKS WENT OUT TO YOU, BUT I DO HAVE THE NUMBERS.

SO THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS OF SAMPLES THAT WE COLLECT OF VARIOUS PROCESSES, UM, TREATMENT PROCESSES, AND THEN THOSE ARE TESTED EITHER IN OUR LABORATORY OR CONTRACTED OUT TO AN OUTSIDE LAB.

UM, THE PROJECTION FOR FY 24 WAS WHAT WE EXPECTED TO DO.

UM, FOR THAT FIRST ONE, THE NUMBER OF SAMPLES COLLECTED IN WASTEWATER LAB FOR REQUIRED COMPLIANCE TESTING.

OUR PROJECTION WAS 943 AND OUR ESTIMATE IS 943.

THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SET SAMPLES AND TESTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.

UM, THE SECOND ONE ARE SAMPLES THAT WE TAKE AND ANALYZE FOR PROCESS CONTROL.

THIS ALLOWS US TO MAKE DECISIONS IN HOW WE VARY OUR PROCESS AND ALLOWS US TO, TO HAVE A MORE EFFICIENT TREATMENT.

UM, AND OUR ESTIMATE FOR OUR PROJECTION FOR FY 24 WAS 5,894.

AND AGAIN, THESE AREN'T REQUIRED TESTS, BUT THEY ARE, THEY HELP US MAKE DECISION MAKING IN HOW WE TREAT.

SO THAT, THAT IS GOOD.

AND THAT, THANK YOU.

I SUS WELL, I'M I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE DID PROJECT SOMETHING.

I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T CATCH THAT BEFORE IT WENT OUT.

SO AGAIN, THE RIGHT TO LEFT, IF I'M LOOKING AT THOSE COLUMNS IN THIS SECTION, WORKLOAD INDICATORS RIGHT TO LEFT.

FROM A TIMING POINT OF VIEW, I WOULD THINK THE COLUMNS WOULD READ FIFTH, AND THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A SHERRY AND AN NET QUESTION, OR AN NET, UH, INFO ITEM FY 22, ACTUAL FY 23 ACTUAL, I WOULD THINK THE NEXT COLUMN IN ORDER WOULD'VE BEEN WHAT WE PROJECTED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.

AND THEN THE NEXT COLUMN OVER WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE NOW ESTIMATING TO BE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

DO YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? TIMING WISE, WE SET THE BUDGET, NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA DO THIS YEAR.

AND THEN THE LEFTMOST COLUMN IS OUR ESTIMATE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO JUST SOME OF THE WORDS HERE.

AND IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, IT'S FY 24 PROJECTION IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO IN FY 24.

THAT'S WHAT WE FORECASTED WE WOULD DO LAST BUDGET SEASON AND THE 24 ESTIMATE IS WHAT WE ARE NOW THINKING WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA DO.

SO I THINK THOSE COLUMN ORDERS ARE JUST BACKWARDS.

'CAUSE 'CAUSE WE SET THE BUDGET FIRST AND NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA DO FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

SO JUST THAT WAS A, A NOTE.

AND SO BACK UP TO THE SEWER HOTLINE CALLS, THEY USED TO BE AT 24, THEY KIND OF WENT DOWN, MAYBE THEY'RE GOING BACK UP AGAIN.

IS THAT, DO YOU THINK AN INDICATION OF THE AGE OF THE SYSTEM, DO YOU EXPECT THOSE TO CONTINUE TO RISE OVER TIME AS WE ADDRESS THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE? SO THE SEWER HOTLINE IS A SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT WAS SET UP IN, UH, FY 21, I BELIEVE, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE SEWER SPILL THAT WE HAD INTO OAK CREEK.

I AN, I THINK THAT THAT NUMBER WAS HIGH BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF, UM, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ABOUT THAT HOTLINE.

SO IT'S A METHOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE A 24 HOUR NUMBER THAT THEY CAN CALL TO REPORT INSTANCES.

UM, IDEALLY THEY WOULD NOT CONTINUE TO INCREASE BECAUSE THAT MEANS THERE'S NO PROBLEMS. RIGHT? BUT IT JUST VARIES.

UM, SO FY 22

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IT WAS NEW PEOPLE WERE USING IT.

UM, AND THEN IT KIND OF JUST DROPPED OFF MAYBE BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T AS MANY PROBLEMS OR MAYBE BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING THOSE CALLS IN A DIFFERENT FASHION DIRECTLY TO THE DEPARTMENT LINE OR SOMETHING.

ON THE QUICK QUESTION ON THAT SAME TOPIC, HOW MANY OF THOSE CALLS WERE ACCURATE AND NOT JUST SOMEBODY THINKING THAT THERE WAS A SPILL OR THINKING THERE WAS A PROBLEM, IT WAS SOMEBODY'S IRRIGATION LINE PUMPING ONTO THE STREET? UM, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY, I, I DON'T HAVE THE, THE NUMBER ON THAT, BUT JUST TO GUESS I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 80% OF 'EM ACTUALLY RESULTED IN SOME KIND OF SEWER PROBLEM.

THAT'S EXTRA EYES IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.

GO AHEAD PETE.

AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION BEFORE WE GET TO THE CAPITAL STUFF.

SO I SAW IT SOMEWHERE IN ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS ANYMORE IN TERMS OF THESE PAGES, BUT IN TERMS OF YOUR BUDGET NEXT YEAR, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE DIDN'T INCREASE THE WASTEWATER FEE RATES.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND SO AS A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR BUDGET, IT ACTUALLY DROPPED DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN PERCENTAGE, JUST A COUPLE PERCENTAGE POINTS AS I RECALL.

HOW DOES THAT DECISION GET MADE ABOUT? SO COSTS ARISING, BUT WE DIDN'T INCREASE THE RATES.

I I CAN ANSWER THAT.

UM, SO, UM, WE HAVE ON AVERAGE EACH YEAR AN ESTIMATION OF THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS THAT SWITCH FROM ONE CATEGORY TO ANOTHER.

AND SO, UM, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS THAT ARE GOING FROM THE STANDARD RESIDENTIAL RATE, AH, TO THE LOW FLOW RESIDENTIAL RATE.

SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT A RATE CHANGE, THERE'S STILL SOME IMPACT OKAY.

BECAUSE OF THOSE CHANGES IN THE ACCOUNTS.

BUT WE DID MAKE A DECISION, DID WE MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT NOT INCREASING THE WASTEWATER RATES FOR NEXT BUDGET YEAR? SO YOU COULD DO THIS BUDGET? OR DID YOU MAKE THAT DECISION ABOUT NOT INCREASING THE WASTEWATER RATES? UM, SO THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDY IS CURRENTLY ON HOLD AND, UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.

GOES THE WASTE THE RATE STUDY IS A COMPLICATED THING.

IT'S A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WE KNOW COSTS ARE INCREASING, BUT WE DECIDED NOT TO INCREASE THE RATES.

UM, WE JUST DID NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RATE STUDY.

DO YOU, CAN YOU NOT JUST DO AN INFLATIONARY INCREASE WITHOUT DOING THE WASTEWATER STUDY? THE RATE STUDY? UM, THERE ARE A, A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS WITH THAT AND, UM, SO THERE ARE SOME POSSIBILITIES OF THINGS AND I'VE PROVIDED A LIST OF THINGS TO ANNETTE ON SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THAT.

UM, BUT CONTINUING WITH THE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS ALSO NOT A GOOD IDEA, MAYBE FOR A, A BRIDGE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND, UM, COMPLETING THE WASTEWATER STUDY AND DOING, GOING IN SOME DIRECTION.

UM, THE CURRENT WASTEWATER RATE STRUCTURE WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CONSULTANTS SAID, UM, THAT THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE NEXUS IN THE WAY THAT IT IS SET UP, UM, TO THE IMPACT ON THE SYSTEM.

AND THE CURRENT STRUCTURE HAS A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEADACHES AND THE WAY THAT IT IS HANDLED.

SO, UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AS BEING THIS IS THE ANSWER FOR ALL TIME.

WHAT'S IT? I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP.

FORECAST, WE WILL BE GOING OVER, UM, RE INCREASES AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS, AS WELL.

WELL THE LONGER WE PUT OFF, UM, MOVING AHEAD WITH TRANSFERRING THE COSTS OF WASTEWATER FROM, UH, FROM THE GOV FROM THE CITY TO THE USERS, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT'S GONNA BE WHEN WE FINALLY DO IT AND THE MUCH BIGGER HIT USERS ARE GOING TO TO GET FROM IT.

SO THIS HAS BEEN BEING PUT OFF FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AND I, I, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, BUT KAREN, I OR SOMEBODY, I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT COUNCIL MADE A DECISION NOT TO IMPOSE SCHEDULED RATE INCREASES, UM, OVER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

AND IT, I THINK IT MIGHT BE TIME.

I, I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF WAITING TOO LONG BEFORE REINSTITUTING THE SCHEDULED INCREASES BECAUSE I THINK WE DO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO HAVING IT PAY FOR ITSELF.

AND WE HAVE PUT OFF DOING THAT NOW REGARDLESS OF WHAT SYSTEM WE USE TO BILL.

SO DIDN'T WE DECIDE ABOUT THE, SO IS THERE AN ANSWER TO MY RATHER STRANGE QUESTION? WE, WE WILL BE GOING IN THE, IN THE LONG RANGE

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SO, SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TODAY ON, ON RATE INCREASES.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO, TO MAKE A DECISION ON ON, UM, RECOMMENDING RATES AND THEN WE CAN BRING THAT BACK.

YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS.

I SEE.

INTENT TO INCREASE, HAS TO, OKAY.

WOULDN'T THAT REQUIRE A PUBLIC NOTICE ON A PUBLIC HEARING? NO, NO, I, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING.

SO I DO UNDER, I I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE, THERE TODAY IS A, IS A A TIME WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION TO MOVE THAT PROCESS FORWARD IS MY QUESTION.

IT'S ACTUALLY A STATEMENT, BUT IT'S REALLY A QUESTION AND YOU SAY YES.

AND COUNSELOR, IF I MIGHT ALSO ADD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ALLOWED US TO AVOID A RATE INCREASE TO THIS POINT IS USING ARPA FUNDS.

SO PART OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THOSE ARPA FUNDS FROM COVID TIME AND WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE WHERE TO ALLOCATE IT.

WE HAVE ALLOCATED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ARPA TO THE WASTEWATER CAPITAL, WHICH HAS OFFSET THE NEED TO INCREASE RATES AT THIS TIME IN ORDER TO DO THE LARGER STUDY.

BUT I STILL HAVE MY CONCERN THAT BY THE TIME WE DO DO A RATE INCREASE, GIVEN THE COSTS THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE QUITE A, SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA PERCEIVE IT AS VERY, VERY, UH, HIGH.

VICE MAYOR, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR KURT .

DON'T WE HAVE SOME LEGAL OBLIGATIONS AROUND THIS AS WELL FOR THE WASTEWATER FUND TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT? Y YES.

AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, UM, IT'S, I IDEAL, UH, THAT IT'D BE SELF-SUFFICIENT.

AND THE, THE CURRENT, UH, COUNCIL POLICY ADOPTED A, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO NOW WAS TO MAKE THAT SELF-SUFFICIENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE MENTIONED THE DATE ALREADY.

2028 I THINK IS, UM, WE'RE COMING UP ON IT.

SO, SO THIS, THE FINAL SUBSIDY WOULD BE IN, IN THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET.

EVEN EARLIER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY.

ALRIGHT, CONTINUE ON.

INTO THE LONG RANGE FORECAST.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CIP PROJECT.

SO, UM, HERE'S A SUMMARY.

THIS ISN'T, UM, NECESSARILY IN THE SAME ORDER THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR BOOK, 'CAUSE WHAT'S IN YOUR BOOK IS IN ORDER BY THE CIP PROJECT NUMBER, WHICH MAKES IT EASIER TO FIND THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, BUT, UM, THIS IS CATEGORIZED WITH THE PROJECTS THAT ARE, UM, CARRYOVER PROJECTS, ONES THAT ARE NEW PROJECTS, UM, FUTURE PROJECTS.

AND THEN, UM, ONE THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IN THE PAST.

AT THE VERY BOTTOM IS ALTERNATE PROJECTS.

SO, UM, ROXANNE WILL TALK ABOUT, UM, THE OPTION WITH THE RECHARGE WELLS VERSUS THE ALTERNATE PROJECTS IN THE GRAND TOTALS AT THE BOTTOM OF, UM, THIS SLIDE, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE COSTS FOR THE ALTERNATE PROJECTS.

UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ABOUT 3 MILLION HERE IN THE ALTERNATE PROJECTS.

UM, WHICH IN ITSELF IS A SIGNIFICANT COST OF, OF INCURRING THOSE COSTS TO DO THE ALTERNATE TO DELAY, UM, DOING RECHARGE WELLS, UM, THE, UH, RECHARGE WELLS.

SO THERE'S A, A FOOTNOTE THERE ON THE RECHARGE WELLS THAT IT ASSUMES THAT WE WOULD DEBT FINANCE THOSE, UM, DURING THE COUNCIL RETREAT BACK IN DECEMBER, AND I THINK MAYBE EVEN WE TALKED ABOUT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WORK SESSIONS WITH THE RECHARGE WELLS, UM, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT TO BUY OURSELVES OUT WITH RATE INCREASES.

AND SO DOING DEBT FINANCING ON THIS IS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED.

UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS BALANCE OUT.

UM, I DO HAVE A NOTE HERE, UM, THAT, UM, ROXANNE HAS INDICATED THAT THERE COULD BE, UM, GRANT FUNDING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, UM, FOR THE RECHARGE.

WELL.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL PAN OUT THAT MAKES THE FINANCIAL PICTURE LOOK BETTER.

SHERRY, JUST BEFORE YOU GO ON, SOMETHING THAT THE VICE MAY HAVE MENTIONED, UH, THERE WAS A PRICE TAG OF 25 MILLION, WHICH I'VE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT, UH, PUBLICLY FOR TO THE COMMUNITY JUST AS A, UH, UH, CAP.

UM, NOTHING COSTS WHAT WE THINK IT'S GOING TO COST.

SO WITH YOUR NUMBERS AND FACTS AND FIGURES, WHAT WOULD YOU GUESSTIMATE THAT A $25 MILLION THOUGHT NOW WOULD REALLY COST? BECAUSE ALL OUR PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, UH, THE FROST ROAD EXTENSION, THE PARKING GARAGE, ARE ALL COMING IN WAY OVER.

SO WHAT DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE, UH, THAT A $25 MILLION COST WOULD REALLY BE? UM, SO I DO HAVE FACTORS BUILT

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MM-HMM, , UM, AS WELL, IT DEPENDS UPON HOW FAR IN THE FUTURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HOW MUCH OF THAT COMPOUNDING.

UM, I DID PUT IN THE BUDGET MEMO THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING FOR THE YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE IN COST FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IS HEADED IN A DOWNWARD TRACK, WHICH IS GOOD.

UM, INFLATION RATES HAVE BEEN COMING DOWN, SO THAT IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL.

UM, BUT WE DO, I MEAN, EVEN BEFORE, UM, THE HIGH INFLATION THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING, WE'VE SEEN THIS EVERY SINGLE YEAR WHERE IT'S LIKE COSTS HAVE GONE UP BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN INFLATION EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TALKING, UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE PLUS YEARS DOWN THE ROAD MM-HMM, , THEN THAT 25 MILLION IS PROBABLY 30 MILLION OR 35 MILLION.

SO IT JUST, IT DEPENDS UPON HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND HOW MUCH YOU'RE COMPOUNDING THAT YOU JUST ANSWERED THE QUESTION, JUST SAY FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT MIGHT BE 30 MILLION.

SO YEAH, I JUST SOMETHING OFF TOP OF MY HEAD, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, CONTINUE.

DO YOU WANNA OKAY.

MOVE TO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RECHARGE WELLS VERSUS THE ALTERNATIVE PROJECTS.

I WANT START THERE.

UH, IF I, BEFORE WE GET TO RECHARGE, WHAT THANK MAYOR.

I QUESTION ON WW SEVEN, WHICH IS THE FUTURE COLLECTIONS PROJECTS.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE 30-YEAR-OLD AGING INFRASTRUCTURE QUESTION, AND THAT'S A THING THAT IF IT'S REALLY, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM ABOUT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT SORT OF GETS OUTTA CONTROL PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS ALL RELATIVELY THE SAME AGE.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR IRRIGATION AND HOLD OFF THAT DECISION FOR RECHARGE WELLS IN THE FUTURE, UM, AND SPEND MONEY NOW TO SPEND MORE LATER.

AND SO HOW CONFIDENT, ROXANNE, ARE YOU ABOUT LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE COST IN HERE? AND IT ALMOST GOES BACK TO THE, THE QUESTION THAT THE, UH, BUDGET WORK GROUP BROUGHT UP THAT WE DON'T DETAIL THE YEARS SEVEN THROUGH.

WE DON'T DETAIL THE YEARS IN HERE, THE FUTURE YEARS ESPECIALLY, BUT HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU AND STAFF LOOK AT WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS CHARGES COULD BE? UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE WORRIES I HAVE THAT THIS IS ONE PARTICULAR AREA OF OUR CIP THAT JUST COULD REALLY CHANGE OVER TIME RELATIVE TO THE 30 YEAR, UM, POTENTIALLY.

UM, SO HOW I PUT THIS IN HERE, WE, WE HAVE A, IN-HOUSE, CCTV PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHERE WE SEND CAMERAS DOWN THE LINE TO DO CONDITION ASSESSMENTS.

UM, THESE ARE IN HERE AS PLACEHOLDERS.

SO WHEN WE FIND THOSE DEFECTS OR THOSE, THOSE PROBLEMS WITH THAT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CAN REPAIR IT.

UM, SO FAR WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS NOTHING MAJOR.

UM, DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR TWO FROM NOW, WE'VE SENT A CAMERA DOWN A LINE AND THERE IS SOMETHING MAJOR.

UM, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THE REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE MADE ARE NOT GOING TO BE HUGELY SIGNIFICANT OR VERY LONG STRETCHES OF LINES.

SO WE MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, 20 FEET OF PIPE THAT IS REALLY BAD, BUT THEN THE NEXT 200 FEET OF PIPE WOULD BE OKAY.

SO I, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE COULD GET BY WITH THIS.

UM, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP, WE COULD THEN PUT OFF SOME OF THOSE SMALLER REPAIRS TO ADDRESS THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF, OF A MAJOR ISSUE, UM, AND THEN BUILD THAT INTO THE LONGER RANGE FORECASTING TO, TO FIX THE SMALLER THINGS.

SO I'LL START BY SAYING, IN 2014 WE DID AN EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT OPTIMIZATION PLAN.

AND WHAT THAT DID IS IT LOOKED AT THE OPTIMAL COMBINATION OF EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES AND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK LONG TERM FOR OUR PLANT UP TO OUR PERMITTED AMOUNT OF 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

WHAT THAT LOOKED AT, LIKE WAS KEEPING OUR WETLANDS, UM, ABANDONING 200 ACRES OF IRRIGATION AND THEN ADDING UP TO SIX RECHARGE WELLS.

WE BUILT THE FIRST TWO RECHARGE WELLS TO MEET CAPACITY NEEDS THAT WERE IMMEDIATE.

SO WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE CAPACITY WE NEED RIGHT NOW TO DISPOSE OF ALL OF OUR EFFLUENT.

THE NEXT TWO WELLS, WELLS THREE AND FOUR WERE PLANNED TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN TO ALLOW US TO ABANDON THE 200 ACRES OF IRRIGATION.

AND THAT WAS SURROUNDED BY THE REDEVELOPMENT OF DELLS FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE THAT ENDS UP BEING.

UM, COUNCIL PRIORITIES DIDN'T PUSH THAT FORWARD AT THAT TIME.

SO WE HAVEN'T BUILT THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL WELLS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR CAPACITY AT THIS TIME.

WE ARE AT A POINT NOW THOUGH, WHERE OUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS FAILING AND NEEDS SOME MAJOR ATTENTION TO THE TUNE OF THE 300 OR THE $3 MILLION FOR THOSE THREE PROJECTS.

UM, OR WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RECHARGE WELLS TO ABANDON THAT IRRIGATION.

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SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE, WE'VE PUSHED THIS OUT TILL FISCAL YEAR 26.

WE HAVE THE ALTERNATES IN THERE STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 26, THE DESIGN OF THE RECHARGE WELLS STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 26, UM, TO FURTHER COMPLICATE THINGS, NOT COMPLICATE, BUT TO ADD ANOTHER OPTION TO OUR PLATE.

GEE, THANK YOU.

YES, .

UM, THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY IS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING RULE MAKING FOR, UM, IT'S CALLED ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION.

NOW, IT USED TO BE CALLED DIRECT POTABLE REUSE.

UM, THAT IS WHERE WE TAKE TREATED EFFLUENT AND THEN TURN IT INTO A POTABLE WATER FOR USE.

UM, THOSE RULES ARE EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED THIS SUMMER.

AND, UM, WITH THE GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATION COMING DOWN THE LINE FOR WATER UTILITIES, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT EFFLUENT WILL NEED BE NEEDED TO SUBSIDIZE SEDONAS, UM, POTABLE WATER USE SUPPLY.

SO I'VE PROPOSED A PROJECT, UM, IT'S WASTEWATER 19, THE FACILITY PLAN.

UM, THAT FACILITY PLAN IS LIKE A MASTER PLAN FOR OUR, OUR WASTEWATER RECLAMATION PLAN.

AND IT, ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THAT FACILITY PLAN IS LOOKING AT THE FEASIBILITY OF, OF ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION AS AN AFFLUENT DISPOSAL METHOD FOR US, AND A POTENTIAL WATER SUPPLY SOURCE FOR SEDONA.

UM, WHETHER THAT BE SENDING RECLAIMED WATER TO TOWN FOR THINGS LIKE IRRIGATION, UH, FLUSHING OF TOILETS, OR WHETHER THAT BE AN ACTUAL POTABLE REUSE.

UM, THIS PROJECT WILL LOOK AT THE PUMPING COSTS, WHAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE NEEDED TO DELIVER IT TO THE EDGE OF TOWN, BASICALLY.

UM, SO THAT WILL, HAVING THOSE ESTIMATES BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WILL ALLOW US TO TAKE A LOOK AT, DO WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR IRRIGATION AND CONTINUE THAT.

DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL RECHARGE WELLS OR DO WE WANNA ADD IN THIS POTABLE REUSE, UM, ASPECT? ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE IRRIGATION IS WE ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED IN THAT AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT STRATEGY IN HOW WE, HOW MUCH WE CAN DISPOSE.

IT'S DEPENDENT UPON THE WEATHER.

SO IN THE WINTER MONTHS WHEN IT'S COLD, UM, DURING REALLY WET SEASONS, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO IRRIGATE AS MUCH AND WE'RE FORCED TO STORE THE WATER IN A 70 MILLION GALLON WATER RESERVOIR.

UM, THAT RESERVOIR IS REGULATED BY, BY UH, A DEQ TO A MAXIMUM LEVEL, AND IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO OVERTOP.

UM, IF IT DOES OVERTOP, IT'S A PERMIT VIOLATION, IT BECOMES A BIG DEAL.

UM, WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE YEARS AN INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE LEVEL OF THAT RESERVOIR AND, AND HOW HIGH THAT RESERVOIR GETS EVERY YEAR.

AND I HAVE SOME GRAPHS WE CAN PULL UP IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.

UM, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

YEAH, A VISUAL IS A LOT EASIER.

UM, SO IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST TAB IN THAT, OKAY, SO THIS SHOWS OUR STORAGE RESERVOIR LEVEL.

THE RED LINE IS THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OF, OF THE RESERVOIR THAT WE WERE ALLOWED BEFORE IT OVERTOPS THE GREEN LINE.

UM, THE GREEN WAVY LINE IS OUR AVERAGE ANNUAL FLUENT FLOW.

SO THIS IS OUR AVERAGE DAILY FLOW ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

UM, AND THIS IS FROM THE INCEPTION OF, OF OUR RECORDS, UM, WHEN THIS RESERVOIR STARTED TO BE USED, THE PURPLE LINE IS THE WATER LEVEL RESERVOIR.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT VARIES SIGNIFICANTLY FROM YEAR TO YEAR, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS.

UM, AND, BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT IN RECENT YEARS IT'S STAYED PRETTY CONSISTENT AND PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, TO THE MAXIMUM LEVEL.

SO WE ARE SEEING A DECREASE IN THE UP UPTAKE OF IRRIGATION.

SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO IRRIGATE AND DROP THOSE RESERVOIR LEVELS AS LOW AS WE USED TO BE ABLE TO IN THE SUMMERTIME.

SO THE, THE LAND OUT THERE MAY BE TAKING LESS WATER LONG TERM AS IT USED TO.

UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT TAB, THIS IS THE RESERVOIR LEVEL COMPARED TO RAIN, ANNUAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT EARLY ON.

THE RESERVOIR LEVEL PRETTY MUCH MATCHED THE RAIN.

UM, BUT AS WE GET INTO LIKE 2015, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A DECREASE IN PRECIPITATION, BUT OUR RESERVOIR LEVELS REMAINING HIGH.

AND THAT COULD BE BECAUSE OF COLD TEMPERATURES AND OR A DECREASE OF THE LAND'S ABILITY TO ACCEPT THAT WATER JUST BEING OVERSATURATED.

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SO IRRIGATION DOES PRESENT AN OPERATIONAL CHALLENGE FOR US AND A RISK OF A PERMIT VIOLATION IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, TO KEEP THOSE RESERVOIR LEVELS DOWN.

WHEREAS RECHARGE WELLS IS A MORE RELIABLE, UM, CONSISTENT SOURCE FOR US.

WE'RE ABLE TO USE THOSE 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, THEY'RE AUTOMATED, UM, AND THEY TAKE THE WATER NO MATTER THE WEATHER.

UM, SO OPERATIONALLY RECHARGE WELLS ARE MORE RELIABLE FOR US.

JUST ONE SECOND.

ROXANNE.

COUNCILOR FULTZ.

THANK YOU MAYOR ROXANNE, I KNOW IT'S, UH, PROBABLY AN IMPOSSIBLE QUESTION, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT POTABLE RE UH, USE COULD COST? AND IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT STUDY AND IT'S A YEAR FROM NOW AND WE GO, HEY, THIS SOUNDS GREAT, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE? SO COULD WE GET THAT IN PLACE TO DOVETAIL NICELY WITH THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT AN AGING, UH, IRRIGATION SYSTEM RIGHT NOW? SO, UH, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S TWO FACTOR AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THE WATER SUPPLIER.

SO THERE'S EITHER A, THE CITY NEEDS TO BECOME A WATER SUPPLIER AND WE DISTRIBUTE THAT WATER THAT WE THEN TURN INTO POTABLE, UM, USE, OR WE DELIVER IT TO ANOTHER WATER UTILITY AND THEN THEY DO THE ADDITIONAL TREATMENT.

UM, IT'S LIKELY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL TREATMENT ON OUR SIDE BEFORE WE COULD BE DELIVERED TO THE, THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SIDE.

UM, THAT'S WHAT THAT FACILITY PLAN WILL LOOK AT IS THE FEASIBILITY OF DOING THAT AND SOME VERY HIGH LEVEL PLANNING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO I, I WON'T KNOW AND I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T GIVE YOU EVEN A BALLPARK UNTIL WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

UM, AS FAR AS TIMING GOES, UM, IF THE RULES ARE ACTUALLY RELEASED THIS SUMMER, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S PERMITTING THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THAT.

I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE A YEAR OR MORE TO GET THROUGH THROUGH A DEQ, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITIES MOVING TOWARDS THIS.

UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION, PROBABLY ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

SO MAYBE LIKE THREE YEARS TO IMPLEMENTATION.

SO DOES THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT TOO LONG FOR DEALING WITH THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN YOUR OPINION? UM, I MEAN WE CAN CONTINUE TO PUT BANDAIDS ON IT.

IT'S NOT IDEAL.

UM, THE RECHARGE WELLS ARE ALSO A TWO TO THREE YEAR, UM, TIMEFRAME FOR COMPLETION.

IF WE SAY ONCE WE START DESIGN, IT WILL BE TWO TO THREE YEARS BEFORE THEY'RE COMPLETED AND USABLE.

I HAVE A, OH, I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

I FORGOT ABOUT THE VICE MAYOR.

SHE'S JUST SITTING NEXT TO ME.

, ROXANNE, DO WE HAVE THAT TIME? UH, YES, WE DO.

SO FAILING, BUT WE'RE AT THE TIPPING POINT WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, DECIDE ONE WAY OR OR THE OTHER WHERE WE SHOULD INVEST OUR, OUR FUNDING FOR THAT.

UM, WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE REPAIRS OUT IN OUR IRRIGATION.

IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT, SO LET'S SAY TODAY WE MOVE, WE, THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECHARGE WELLS.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THE $3 MILLION.

BUT WE'D HAVE TO SPEND SOMETHING TO MAINTAIN THE IRRIGATIONS SYSTEM IN OPERATIONS BUDGET.

WE, WE ALREADY DO THAT.

SECOND QUESTION.

UH, REMEMBER THE STUDY THAT WAS TAKING PLACE, UH, TO LOOK AT POTABLE WATER OR WHETHER WE COULD PUT THE WATER INTO THE RIVER? DID WE EVER GET THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY? UH, THE PILOT STUDY WRAPPED UP ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED RESULTS FROM THAT SO THAT THAT COULD INFORM US AS WELL WHEN WE GET THE RESULTS OF THAT.

DO YOU ALL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEP.

YEAH, THESE TWO CHARTS ARE INTERESTING.

UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T READ THE LEGEND AT ALL.

SO, BUT CAN I ASK YOU TO GO TO THE PREVIOUS CHART? YEAH.

THIS, CAN YOU HELP ME REMEMBER, WHEN DID THE CURRENT INJECTION WELLS GET OPERATIONALIZED IN THE HISTORY OF THIS CHART? UH, 2017.

2017.

IF WE DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL RECHARGE WELLS, WE'RE LIMITED TO THE CAPACITY OF THOSE WELLS NOW.

AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THE, UH, CURRENT IRRIGATION SYSTEM EFFECTIVENESS OR EFFICIENCY HAS BEEN DROPPING BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S CHALLENGED.

AND SO WE'RE, IF WE REHAB THAT, WOULD SOME OF THESE NUMBERS IN THIS CHART SORT OF TURN THE OTHER WAY TO MAKE THE RESERVOIR LOOK A LITTLE BIT LESS ON THE MARGIN THAN IT, THAN IT MIGHT BE? NO, BECAUSE

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SO I'M WONDERING IF THE CURRENT IRRIGATION SYSTEM HAS BEEN LESS EFFECTIVE OVER OR NOT ACTUALLY GETTING THE EFFICIENCY OF THAT IRRIGATION SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S DEGRADING.

IS THE VOLUME, IS ANY ONE OF THESE NUMBERS THE VOLUME OF WATER WE'RE PUSHING INTO THE, THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM? UH, NO.

I, THE THIRD GRAPH, THE THIRD TAB ON THAT SHOWS, AND THIS ONE'S A COMPLICATED ONE BECAUSE AS ALL OF OUR EFFLUENT DISPOSAL METHODS, UM, THANK YOU.

SO THE LIGHT BLUE LINE ON THE TOP, THOSE ARE ALL THREE METHODS COMBINED AND HOW MUCH WE DISPOSE OF ON A, THIS IS, THIS IS BROKEN OUT MONTHLY, OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OR SO.

UM, THE RED LINE IS OUR INJECTION WELLS.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN DO ON A MONTHLY AVERAGE WITH THOSE.

THE IRRIGATION IS THE GREENISH YELLOWISH LINE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT GOES UP AND DOWN DEPENDING ON THE, THE SEASON THERE IS KIND OF THE, IT'S THE LIGHT GREENISH.

SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT LINE, IT'S RIGHT BELOW THE BLUE LINE ON THE SECOND LINE FROM THE TOP.

MY EYE KIND OF SAYS THAT THERE'S AN OVERALL DOWNWARD TREND IN THAT LIGHT GREEN LINE.

AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS AGING IS NOT WORKING, IS I I THINK IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING THOSE REPAIRS AND IT'S OPERATIONAL.

IT'S BECAUSE THE LAND IS NOT ACCEPTING AS MUCH WATER LAND IS NOT ACCEPTING AS MUCH WATER.

FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

COULD IT, COULD IT BE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD COLDER WINTERS AND THE LAND IS, YOU KNOW, FROZEN? IS IT BECAUSE OUR WINTERS HAVE BEEN WETTER SO THE LAND IS MORE SATURATED? UM, IS IT BECAUSE JUST THE, THE SOIL'S SO SATURATED FROM ALL OF OUR YEARS OF IRRIGATION THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT ACCEPTING AT THE HIGHER RATE THAT IT DID DURING ITS INCEPTION? SO PRIOR TO YOUR, OUR CONVERSATION HERE TODAY, I MUST ADMIT, TO ME, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE INJECTION WELLS, THAT IT'S JUST NOT, I'M A FAN OF THE INJECTION WELLS, BELIEVE ME, RIGHT.

IN ENVIRONMENTALLY FOR SO MANY REASONS.

I THINK THAT A PRIORITY SHOULD BE IN INJECTING WATER.

BUT I ALSO LOOK AT HOW MANY THINGS ARE CHANGING IN OUR LIFE RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE GOT THE P-F-O-A-P-F-O-S STUFF THAT'S JUST NEW AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA AFFECT US YET.

ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, IN PUBLIC IS, UH, THAT THE WELLS THEMSELVES MAY POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME P-O-A-P-F-A-S THING THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET.

UM, I THINK ABOUT, UH, THE RECYCLED WATER CLAIM AND OR, OR THE CHANGES IN STATE LAW THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE.

AND PERHAPS THERE IS SOME USE THAT WE COULD BE GETTING FOR THE RECLAIMED WATER, WHICH WOULD LOWER THE DEMAND ON AN INJECTION.

WELLS WOULD LOWER DEMAND ON ALL OF THE, THE SYSTEMS. AND SO I JUST, THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS THAT ARE MOVING AND THE ADJUDICATION STUFF IS ALL HAPPENING TOO.

AND SO MY MIND WAS LIKE, AH, I'M A FAN OF THE WELLS.

THEY'RE DANG EXPENSIVE.

LET'S JUST GET, UH, UH, LET'S REINVEST IN THE RESERVOIR AND THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM FOR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10 YEAR TIME PERIOD.

SO WE LET SOME OF THE OTHER VARIABILITY, UH, SLOW DOWN IN OUR LIVES.

AND, AND THAT'S WHERE MY MIND WAS.

BUT FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY, I AM NOT SURE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE FEELING THIS, THE, THE, UH, RESERVOIR, THE HOLDING RESERVOIR.

IS GETTING CLOSE.

SO HELP ME THINK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT, UH, I WAS, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF HAS CHANGED AND LET'S, LET'S SQUEEZE MORE LIFE OUT OF THE INVESTMENT WE'VE ALREADY MADE AND, AND THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND THE RESERVOIR, AND WAIT FOR THINGS TO SETTLE DOWN RELATIVE ELSE BEFORE MAKING THAT SIGNIFICANT VESSEL IN THE WELLS.

BUT GIMME YOUR THOUGHTS, PLEASE.

FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT SYSTEM AND TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF THE HOLDING RESERVOIR FOR HOW LONG? SO THE, THE INVESTMENT WOULD BE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE IRRIGATION.

SO WE CAN GET BY FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS OPERATING THE WAY WE ARE FOR SURE.

BUT AT THAT POINT, WE EITHER NEED TO INVEST IN THE, THE IRRIGATION TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT IT IS MORE RELIABLE AND IT'S NOT, I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING IRRIGATION BREAKS FREQUENTLY.

WE JUST HAD ONE LAST WEEK, UM, THAT RESULTED IN A PERMIT VIOLATION.

IT WAS SO MUCH WATER LEAKED FROM THAT SYSTEM.

THERE WAS JUST A GIANT BREAK IN THE LINE.

UM, AND THE WATER RAN OFF OUR, OUR PROPERTY, WHICH IS A PERMIT VIOLATION.

UM, SO THE $3 MILLION IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, IS THAT JUST GETTING BY FOR A COUPLE YEARS? OR IS THAT THE INVESTMENT REQUIRED FOR US TO REALLY

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IT WOULD NOT CHANGE THE SITUATION WITH THE RESERVOIR LEVELS BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING IN THE GROUND.

SO WE STILL HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT OUR IRRIGATION WITH THAT RESERVOIR STORAGE NO MATTER WHAT.

UM, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SEEING RATES OF IRRIGATION OR RATES OF ABSORPTION IN THE SOIL THAT WE USED TO, THE RESERVOIR LEVEL IS GETTING HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER.

SO WE WOULD NEED A LARGER RESERVOIR, WHICH AT THAT POINT THAT WOULD BE NOT FEASIBLE.

THERE WOULD BE .

THERE WOULD BE PERMITTING ISSUES WITH THAT AND, AND SIGNIFICANT COSTS AND, AND INFRASTRUCTURE EXPANSION OF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM A POSSIBILITY? UH, WE, NO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LAND FOR IT.

WE'RE FULLY USING THE LAND AND THE DALLAS PROPERTY FOR CORRECT.

SO IT WOULDN'T ELIMINATE THOSE CHALLENGES FOR THE SEASONAL LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE IRRIGATION, BUT IT WOULD ELIMINATE, UM, THE FAILURE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING.

COUNCIL FULTZ.

AND THEN VICE MAYOR ROXANNE, YOU'VE MENTIONED THE LAND BEING SATURATED MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.

WHAT'S THE STANDARD BY WHICH WE'RE HELD TO, TO THAT CONTEXT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SATURATED? LIKE DOES IT, DOES IT, DOES IT MATTER IF THERE'S WATER JUST POOLING ON THE, ON THE GROUND.

WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE WATER POOLING AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE WATER, UM, RUN OFF OF OUR PROPERTY.

SO EVEN INTO A WASH.

IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO, TO LEAVE OUR CITY OF SEDONA PARCEL LINES.

IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONSIDERED PURE ENOUGH AT THAT POINT? UM, IT IS CONSIDERED PURE.

IT'S STILL A PLUS WATER, BUT IT'S JUST, UM, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

JUST THE WAY IT IS, YES.

, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BEST DESCRIPTION I CAN GET.

THAT'S, THAT'S IN OUR PERMIT THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE, UH, STANDING PUDDLES OF WATER AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE WATER, UH, DISCHARGE OFF OF OUR SITE, WHETHER IT'S TREATED OR UNTREATED.

CAN THAT PERMIT BE ADJUSTED TO ALLOW FOR MAYBE THE LADDER CONDITION AT LEAST OF LETTING IT RUN DOWN A WASH? I DON'T KNOW.

IS THAT WORTH ASKING? UM, WELL, IT'S CAN EVENTUALLY GO SOMEWHERE.

SO THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A HOLDING SOMEWHERE.

SO ALL THOSE WASHES EVENTUALLY GO TO OAK CREEK EVENTUALLY THROUGH VARIOUS OTHER WASHES.

UM, BUT EFFLUENT INTO OAK CREEK IS NOT PERMITTED.

SO THAT WOULD NOT NEVER BE ALLOWED.

SO MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO ALLOW, HAVE THAT WATER GO INTO WASHES.

AND THEN JUST CLARIFYING SOMETHING THAT COUNCILOR FURMAN JUST ASKED.

SO WE'RE IRRIGATING OUR ENTIRE DELL'S PROPERTY CURRENTLY? YES.

THERE IS NO ACREAGE THAT IS NOT BEING IRRIGATED CURRENTLY? CORRECT.

THERE IS MISINFORMATION GOING AROUND ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE TIMES PEOPLE SAYING IN RESPONSE TO SAFE PLACE TO PARK THAT, OH, THEY'RE ONLY IRRIGATING 40 ACRES OUT THERE.

THEY CAN USE THE REST OF THAT LAND.

WE'RE IRRIGATING 300 ACRES.

I HOPE THE PUBLIC HEARS THAT.

I HOPE THE FOLKS WHO THINK THAT WE'RE ONLY IRRIGATING 40 ACRES.

UM, JUST, OH, I MAYOR, GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY BECAUSE I'M LOOKING BEYOND THAT'S, ARE YOU, UM, ARE YOU TELLING US THAT WE CAN LIMP BY BECAUSE THE $25 MILLION IS DAUNTING? THE INVESTMENT IS DAUNTING BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA LIMP BY I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THESE, ALL THE RESERVOIR.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THESE VARIOUS FAILURES.

I DON'T THINK WE, WE CAN AFFORD TO LIMP BY.

SO I WANNA KNOW WHY YOU'RE, SO I PUSHED IT OUT ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR FOR TO 26 TO 26 SO THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION, UM, AND HAVE A BETTER COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF WHAT THE LONG-TERM PICTURE LOOKED LIKE IN TERMS OF BOTH FUNDING, EXPENDITURES AND RELIABILITY OF THE SYSTEM AND SUSTAINABILITY OF, OF OUR WATER REUSE.

TO ME, PETE MENTIONED THE PFAS ISSUE.

SO PART OF THE FACILITY PLAN THAT I'M PROPOSING NEXT YEAR, WHERE I SAID IT WOULD LOOK AT THE, THE FEASIBILITY FOR ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION, THAT PLAN PRIMARILY IS IN THE PROJECT, UM, THE CIP PROJECTS TO TAKE A LOOK AT

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THE PFAS ISSUE.

SO EPA JUST RECENTLY RELEASED RULES FOR DRINKING WATER FOR PFAS REGULATIONS, UM, REGULATIONS ON WASTEWATER UTILITIES IS EXPECTED BY DECEMBER OF 2024.

AND WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY TESTING OF FOR PFAS IN OUR, I FLUENT OUR EFFLUENT, SOME OF OUR COMPLIANCE WELLS, NOT THE INJECTION WELLS THEMSELVES, BUT THE COMPLIANCE WELLS.

UM, WHICH ARE, ARE WHAT, WHERE WE TAKE ALL OF OUR GROUNDWATER SAMPLING AND REPORT TO A DEQ.

SO WE'VE TESTED THOSE AND THEN WE, UM, HAVE ALSO TESTED OUR POTABLE WATER WELL JUST TO KINDA GET A BASELINE OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND WE ARE OVER THOSE PROPOSED MAXIMUM CONTAMINANT LEVELS THAT THE EPA IS PROPOSING IN SOME SPOTS.

UM, SO PFAS TREATMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ONCE THOSE RULES COME OUT.

TYPICALLY THAT'S LIKE A THREE TO FIVE YEAR COMPLIANCE SCHEDULE.

THEY DON'T MAKE YOU, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS THE RULES COME OUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY THE NEXT DAY.

SO THAT IS GOING TO PLAY A ROLE IN OUR OVERALL BUDGET AND, AND WHAT OUR EXPENDITURES LOOK LIKE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WE PUT THIS OUT ANOTHER YEAR SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THE PFAS REGULATIONS MIGHT BE.

WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES AND HAVE A, A REALLY COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF WHAT THE WASTEWATER NEEDS ARE.

THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT OUT ONE MORE YEAR.

I JUST, SOMETHING I WANT TO CLARIFY.

YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE IRRIGATING 300 ACRES, CORRECT? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE HAVE 200 ACRES OUT THERE.

SO WE HAVE 300 ACRES OF IRRIGATION.

IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH RECHARGE WELLS, WE COULD ABANDON 200 ACRES OF THAT, WHICH IS MAJORITY OF, UH, THOSE ARE THE BIG IRRIGATION LINES WE HAVE WITH THE BIG SPRAYERS THAT YOU SEE.

WE WOULD KEEP, UM, A HUNDRED ACRE, ROUGHLY A HUNDRED ACRES OF IRRIGATION.

UM, WHICH ARE JUST SMALLER LINES.

AND, AND THEY DON'T REALLY DO A WHOLE LOT IN TERMS OF, UH, EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT FOR US, BUT THEY ARE THERE AND WE USE THEM.

MAJORITY OF THE IRRIGATION VOLUME IS FROM THAT AREA FOR THOSE TWO ACRE 200 ACRES.

SO, AND ALSO CLARIFY THIS TO ME, THE 800 POUND GORILLA IN THE ROOM, I THINK IF WE WERE TO PUT THE WELLS IN, WHAT'S THE VIABILITY OF THE LAND TO BUILD ON IT? IS IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE MOISTURE THAT'S GONE INTO THE GROUND? IS IT BUILDABLE? CAN YOU BUILD OVER WELLS? CAN, HOW MUCH ACREAGE WOULD ONE WELL TAKE UP OF? SO OF THE LAND, A WELL SITE IS APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE AT, AT THE MOST.

CAN IT BE BUILT ON OR WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE ISOLATED AWAY FROM A CERTAIN AREA WITH THE REST, SAY 180, 150, UH, ACRES SAVED.

WOULD IT BE BUILD BUILDABLE AFTER SPENDING HOW MANY DECADES TAKING THAT WATER IN? IS IT, IS IT BUILDABLE? I BELIEVE SO, YES.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.

I HAVE JESSICA, WE'VE DONE, OKAY.

SO PERMANENTLY WE, YOU'RE PLANNING ON ALWAYS HAVING A HUNDRED ACRES BEING SPRAYED AND I'M, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR THAT.

COULD YOU JUST, LET ME JUST EXPLAIN IT TO ME, IS IT THAT THE VOLUME IS TOO LITTLE TO JUSTIFY AN INJECTION? WELL, OKAY.

THAT MAY, I ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.

, DID YOU WANNA GO AGAIN? DAN? OKAY, PETE, JUST ONE, UH, ONE ELEMENT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO YOUR STUDY THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.

JUST ADDRESS THE QUESTION.

IT, IT'S ALMOST A COUNCILOR FOLTZ QUESTION.

FLAGSTAFF THROWS WATER IN THEIR WASHES AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES.

DOESN'T GO TO OAK CREEK, THEY'RE TOO HIGH, BUT RIGHT.

WHERE DOES IT GO? WHY ISN'T, WHY ISN'T THAT A STRATEGY THAT WE COULD USE AS WELL? UM, SO IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE BODY, THE SURFACE WATER THAT YOU'RE RELEASING TO.

SO OAK CREEK IS AN IMPAIRED WATERWAY.

WE WE'RE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

UM, IF YOU WERE TO GO TO THE VERDE RIVER, THERE'S VERY STRINGENT NUTRIENT UM, REMOVAL REQUIREMENTS AND WE DO NOT MEET THOSE WITH OUR CURRENT QUALITY OF WATER.

UM, AND SO THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TREATMENT NEEDED TO REMOVE THAT.

IT'S THAT STUDY SO MUCH SO THAT THERE MAY NOT EVEN BE TECHNOLOGY TO GET THAT LOW.

WHERE DOES THE FLAG STAFF RIO? THAT'S WHAT THE, WHERE DOES THE RIO VERDE GO TO THE RIO FLAG? RIO D FLAG OR WHATEVER THAT'S CALLED UP THERE? I'M NOT SURE.

YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS WHY THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT AND, AND WE CAN'T.

THEY BE DONE OVER ON THE PROCESSING SIDE? UM, ONE OF THEM IS ON THE DELL SIDE AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS ON THE, THE TREATMENT SIDE.

OH, BRIAN, ONE MORE CLARIFICATION.

SO THE, I SHOULD BE ON THAT.

THE POTENTIAL, UH, INJECTION WELLS THREE AND FOUR, THE FUTURE ONES, WOULD THOSE ACTUALLY BE ON THE DELL SIDE OR CAN

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SO IN THAT, UH, WHEN WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE RECHARGE WELLS, WE DID WELL SIDING WHERE THERE WAS HIGHLY FRACTURED ROCK AND WE DETERMINED THE BEST PLACE FOR THOSE RECHARGE WELLS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE AS MUCH WATER AS POSSIBLE.

SO THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN CITED.

I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THIS.

CONTINUE ON.

UM, SO DID YOU WANT TO ME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE CIP PROJECTS? YEAH.

I DID, ROXANNE, I WAS JUST THINKING OF ONE LAST THING QUICK.

ARE YOU SEEING, I KNOW LAST YEAR YOU SAID THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS DID NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE WELLS OR THE, THE WATER, NOT THE WATER COMING IN.

ARE YOU SEEING THAT TO STILL BE THE CASE WITH OVER 1100 SHORT-TERM RENTALS? YEAH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER IT'S SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR TOURISM TOURISM, NO.

GENERAL ARE YOU SEEING, UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS OUR ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY FLOW.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR TOTAL FLOW FOR THE YEAR DIVIDED BY 365.

THAT IS NOT INCREASING.

WE'RE STAYING RIGHT AROUND THE 1.15 TO 1.2 UM, MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

HOWEVER, WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS HIGH TOURISM WEEKENDS THIS TIME OF YEAR, WE'RE SEEING THAT NUMBER INCREASE, BUT IT'S NOT OVER, IT'S NOT IMPACTING OUR OVERALL AVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.

WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE OCCUPANCY OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS IN WHAT, IN THE FORTIES? RIGHT.

SO ON AVERAGE IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A HOME.

I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP TRACK IF IT SHOULD SPIKE, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.

SO DID YOU GET THE INFORMATION YOU NEEDED, YOU KNOW, ALSO THE OUTTA BALANCE WARNINGS THAT YOU GOT IN THE CIP PLANS AND WHAT DECISION THAT WE HAD TO MAKE ABOUT THE INJECTION WELLS? WHAT DECISION DID WE MAKE ABOUT THE INJECTION WELLS? WE, NO, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T.

WE GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS AT THE END OF TWO DAYS.

AND AND JUST TO, TO CLARIFY, WE DON'T HAVE THE RECHARGE WELLS OR THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN, IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

WE'VE PUSHED THAT OUT TO FISCAL YEAR 26.

SO WE CAN'T TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR THE PFAS ISSUE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION.

COUNCIL DUNN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, 'CAUSE THIS IS A VERY SHORT ROAD, WE CAN KICK THIS CAN DOWN.

, UM, HAVE YOU BUDGETED TO YOUR SATISFACTION WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IN ORDER TO DO THESE STUDIES AND THE TIME REQUIRED IN ORDER TO DO WHATEVER TESTING YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO DO, WHATEVER TIME YOU'RE GONNA NEED ON THE TELEPHONE WITH AD EQ OR HAVE THEM COME OUT? 'CAUSE NONE OF THAT WILL BE TRIVIAL.

AND I'M ASSUMING AT THE END OF THE DAY THESE ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE RECHARGE WELLS AND, UM, APPLICABLE WATER.

SO THIS COULD BE VERY COMPLICATED.

WILL YOU, DO YOU BELIEVE YOU'VE BUDGETED ENOUGH NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY, BUT TIME-WISE, BECAUSE A YEAR'S GONNA GO REALLY FAST? YES.

SO THE FACILITY PLAN, WE ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING A SCOPE AND FEE WITH A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT FACILITY PLAN.

AND OUR, UM, GOAL IS TO BE READY LIKE JULY 1ST WHEN IF THIS PROJECT GETS APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, THEY ANTICIPATE THE, THESE STUDY TAKING APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS TO COMPLETE SO THAT BY THE TIME WE'RE STARTING TO BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, WE WOULD HAVE THOSE ANSWERS.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN OUR 10 YEAR CIP IS THE PAS ISSUE BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN WITH THAT.

SO THIS STUDY IS REALLY ESSENTIAL TO KNOWING WHAT THAT IMPACT IS GOING TO BE.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE EPA REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT UNTIL TOWARDS THE END OF THIS YEAR, THE DECEMBER.

RULE MAKING HAS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE OUTCOME OF THE STUDY.

WHICH MAY THROW SOME OF YOUR EARLIER STUDIES AND THINKING POTENTIALLY.

DO YOU, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU BUILT IN SORT OF THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, AMOUNT OF TIME IN YOUR BUDGET YEAH.

TO ALLOW FOR THE FACT THAT WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN DECEMBER? SO WE DO HAVE, SO THE EPAS ALREADY PROPOSED MAXIMUM CONTAMINANT LEVELS.

THOSE HAVE NOT CHANGED OVER THE LAST YEAR.

THOSE DID NOT CHANGE FROM THE PROPOSED TO THE ACTUAL RULEMAKING ON THE WATER SIDE OF THINGS.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE MAXIMUM CONTAMINANT LEVELS ARE GOING TO CHANGE WHEN THEY'RE RELEASED IN, IN DECEMBER.

UM, WE DO KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT, THERE WILL BE SOME TYPE OF TREATMENT REQUIRED.

IT'S JUST TO WHAT? TO HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO REMOVE.

SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT ANY VARIATION THAT, THAT, THAT

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UM, SO YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THE CIP PROJECTS? I DON'T WANT TO, NO.

I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY FOR US, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT NO.

SO IF THAT, IF THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS, I THINK THAT THAT'S IT.

I DID WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLE FEE CHANGES.

SO, UM, HISTORICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UM, DEPARTMENTS LOOK AT THE FEES THAT THEY'RE CHARGING, DETERMINE IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE AN ADJUSTMENT.

WE GO THROUGH THE POSTING PERIOD THAT'S REQUIRED.

THEN WE COME TO COUNSEL IN, UM, THE END OF NOVEMBER TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE POSTED, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO, UM, CHANGE TO BE EFFECTIVE FOR THE NEXT JANUARY ONE.

AND SO KAREN AND I WERE HAVING CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING DISCUSSION IN ADVANCE OF ALL THAT WITH COUNCIL.

SO WE THOUGHT THE BUDGET WORK SESSIONS WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UM, AT THIS POINT, SO THAT YOU HAVE SOME ADVANCE NOTICE BEFORE WE GET TO, WE ALREADY POSTED E EITHER WE'RE DOING THIS OR WE'RE NOT DOING THIS, UM, TYPE SITUATION.

SO WITH THE WASTEWATER FEES, UM, WE DO DO AN ANNUAL INCREASE IN THE CAPACITY FEES.

UM, THIS IS BASED OFF OF, UM, THE ECONOMIC RESEARCH NETWORK CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX.

UM, FOR, UM, THIS LAST FEE STUDY THAT CON CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX AMOUNT WAS 4.93%.

UM, INFLATION HAS COME DOWN, SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT NUMBER.

UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AUTOMATED IN OUR PROCESS TO AUTOMATICALLY DO THAT, THAT INCREASE.

UM, I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT TRYING TO KEEP, UM, CONSTRUCTION COSTS AS AFFORDABLE AS POSSIBLE.

UM, SO THIS, THIS IS HOW WE'VE BEEN INFLATING IT BASED OFF OF THE, THE, THIS CONSTRUCTION COST I FOR THE MONTHLY SERVICE FEES.

UM, SO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS EARLIER.

UM, WE DO RECOMMEND, UM, THAT THEY, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A RATE INCREASE SOON.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLICATIONS WITH THE EXISTING RATE.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, AND WHAT I WAS THINKING WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO FORM A CITIZEN WORK GROUP, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH THE DIFFERENT WAYS.

BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO TO A WATER-BASED, UM, RATE STRUCTURE.

UM, BUT UM, FOR THOSE WHO WERE ON COUNCIL AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THERE WERE A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND ISSUES WITH THAT.

THERE'S COMPLICATIONS WITH GOING WITH A FIXED RATE STRUCTURE.

THERE'S COMPLICATIONS WITH THE CURRENT STRUCTURE.

AND, UM, SO WHAT WE WERE THINKING WAS HAVING A CITIZEN WORK GROUP WHERE, UM, YOU HAD REPRESENTATION FROM ALL THE, THE VARIOUS, UM, COMPONENTS OF THIS RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, SOME THAT WOULD SEE BENEFITS IN CERTAIN WAYS, HOPEFULLY SOME THAT, UM, MAYBE THEIR BILL WOULD GO UP TO TALK ABOUT, UM, TRYING TO CREATE EQUITABLE, UM, RATE FOR EVERYONE.

SO, UM, SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT.

UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES, BUT, UM, THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE THINKING THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE.

THANK YOU MAYOR SHERRY.

SO DO WE NEED TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION RIGHT NOW ABOUT LIKE ESTABLISHING THAT CITIZEN WORK GROUP OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING YOU GO DO WE CAN'T OR THAT ROXANNE GOES AND DOES THAT? UH, WELL IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY WHOEVER THE NEXT PERSON.

BUT IT'S GONNA COME FROM FINANCE.

FINANCE HAS BEEN THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN LEADING THIS AND WE'RE THE ONES WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BILLING AND ALL OF THAT AND, BUT DOES AFRAID OF COMPLICATIONS.

BUT DOES COUNSEL NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION TODAY OR DURING THIS TWO DAY SESSION TO SAY GO DO, ESTABLISH THAT WORK GROUP TO ADDRESS THIS? JUST A SECOND.

IT COULD BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME FROM COUNSEL UNLESS COUNSEL WANTS TO DIRECT THEM.

ITSELF, WE NEED TO BE INFORMED BY THE STUDY THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.

ANNETTE, I THINK YOU DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING TO WEIGH IN? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, COUNCILOR FOLTZ, MY COMMENT IS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE DOING RATES, UM, AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, IT'S NOT, UM, INDEPENDENT OF THIS FACILITIES PLAN BECAUSE THAT PLAN'S GONNA TELL US, UM, A LOT OF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO INTO BUILDING THE NEW RATES.

UM, SO HAPPY TO WORK ON, YOU KNOW, A GROUP TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT'S A FAIR RATE STRUCTURE, BUT TO ACTUALLY GET TO THE RATE

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IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.

SO MAYBE A CPI INCREASE OR SOMETHING IN THE MEANTIME TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT NOT HAVING A BIG JUMP ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, IS GOOD.

BUT, UM, THAT RATE STUDY CAN'T REALLY BE INDEPENDENT OF WHAT THE FUTURE CAPITAL PLAN'S GONNA BE.

THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.

COUNCILOR KINSELLA? YEAH.

UH, THIS IS A PROCESS, UM, COMMENT.

I'M, FOR MYSELF, I THINK I'M PROBABLY MORE COMFORTABLE WAITING TILL WE GET THROUGH THE TWO DAYS WORTH OF DISCUSSION BEFORE WE GIVE DIRECTION ON ANY PARTICULAR THING.

BECAUSE WE COULD WANT A WORK GROUP HERE AND THEN IN THE NEXT DEPARTMENT WE'LL WANT A WORK GROUP.

BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, WE WOULD WANT 10 WORK GROUPS DIRECTION HERE.

OH WAIT, LET'S GO BACK AND CHANGE OUR MIND ON THAT BECAUSE WE'VE OVERLOADED, UM, STAFF AT THAT POINT.

SO I, I LIKE THE CONTEXTUALIZATION OF MAKING DECISIONS AT THE END OF THE PROCESS.

SO THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M MORE COMFORTABLE, UM, WHATEVER THE GROUP DECIDES, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE TO CONSIDERATION.

COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, ODDLY ENOUGH, I HAVE A PROCESS QUESTION.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT COUNCIL DOES NOT DIRECT WORK GROUPS BECAUSE THEN IT COMES A COUNCIL.

I WAS GONNA SAY THAT.

AND THEN IT NEEDS TO HAVE THE WHOLE, IT IT'S DETERMINED BY THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINES WORK GROUPS.

SO IN TERMS OF TELLING OF DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO DO A WORK GROUP, THAT'S REALLY NOT SOMETHING WE DO.

BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE DISCUSS EACH ITEM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT A WORK GROUP WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE IN THIS CASE.

SO I WAS GONNA GET THERE.

HE'S HE'S ROLLING HIS EYES, BUT I I THINK WE JUST DON'T, WE, IF WE DIRECTED IT BECOMES A COUNCIL, UM, DIRECTIVE AND THEN ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE UM, THE OPEN MEETING LAWS APPLY AND THE WORK GROUPS.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, YOU'RE CORRECT.

KURT, AM I RIGHT? YES.

EVEN IF, IF COUNCIL DIRECTS A WORK GROUP BE ESTABLISHED, EVEN IF THE CITY MANAGER THEN DIRECTS IT, YES.

IT'S SUBJECT TO ALL OPEN MEANING LAWS.

SO NO MORE ROLLED EYES.

CONCUR.

I WAS GONNA GET CONCUR.

ALL OF YOU SPOKE CONCUR.

I CONCUR.

I CONCUR WITH OUR ATTORNEY.

SO DO I.

OKAY, GOOD.

I WAS GONNA, I I WAS AWARE THAT NO, THAT'S OKAY.

I NEVER DO PROCESS, SO I REALLY WANTED TO YOU FEEL OKAY? IT WAS GOOD.

WHERE ARE WE NOW? IT'S AT THE END.

SO I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH WASTEWATER.

SHERRY, COULD I ASK YOU WHERE YOU THINK WE ARE? TIME-WISE? 'CAUSE THIS ONE, WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT ON TRACK.

ON TRACK.

WHY DON'T WE TAKE A, BEFORE ROXANNE LEAVES, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT.

ROXANNE, YOU MAKE A MOST COMPLICATED ISSUE.

CLEAR.

YOU DO.

AND I'M GLAD YOUR, UH, YOUR REASONING IS SO SOUND.

I REALLY ADMIRE YOU A LOT AND I THINK YOU'RE AN EXCELLENT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY.

I'D LIKE TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER TO SAY PRIOR TO YOU AND WHERE WE ARE NOW IS JUST LIGHT YEAR SO MUCH BETTER AND UNDERSTANDABLE.

RIGHT? AND YOU DO, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S APPRECIATE THAT.

IT'S, IT'S SO REFRESHING.

I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN DOING A FABULOUS JOB AND IT, IT KEEPS GETTING BETTER.

OKAY, LET'S TAKE 10.

UH, WE WILL BE BACK AT, UH, 10 AFTER 10.

SO THAT'S 12 MINUTES.

THE, UH, LEASE PAYMENT THAT WE PAY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE SYCAMORE SITE AND ALLOCATE IT TO THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE OVER THERE.

PARKS AND REC.

ARCS AND REC.

SO NEXT TAB IN YOUR BOOK.

SO THE SUMMARY CHANGES FROM FISCAL YEAR 24, ABOUT 1.1 MILLION, LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE FISCAL YEAR 25, STILL ABOUT 1.1 MILLION.

THE OVERALL CHANGE IS 1%.

THE ONGOING PORTION IS A 2% INCREASE.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE INCREASES AREN'T REALLY ALL THAT SIGNIFICANT.

THERE'S A DECISION PACKAGE THAT WE WILL GET TO.

UM, THERE'S DECREASE IN ONE-TIME COSTS OF ABOUT 17,000 AND A FEW SMALLER ITEMS THAT WERE THE MORE SIGNIFICANT OF WHAT THE CHANGES WERE.

AND THEY'RE NOT VERY SIGNIFICANT IN THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS WITH THE ONE TIME AMOUNTS.

UM, THE ONE TIME COSTS ARE ABOUT 50,000.

UH, THERE'S THE DECISION PACKAGE.

UM, A FEW SMALL THINGS.

THERE IS A, UM, ONE LARGER ONES IS A WIGGLE TRACK BALANCE COURSE AND BASKETBALL HOOP FOR OPEN SWIM OF ABOUT 11,000.

UM, AND WE DO TAKE

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SO, UM, THE PORTION OF THE LEASE PAYMENT APPLICABLE TO PARKS AND REC WOULD BE ABOUT 23,000.

SO AS FAR AS OPERATING BUDGET ITEMS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON OR ANYTHING IN THE BOOK RELATED TO YES, I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT THESE, UH, POINTS ABOUT THE, EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE POOL, THEY ARE STILL PART OF, WE HAVE STILL THAT AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE SHARING OR CO-SHARING THE EXPENSES OR IS THAT JUST THE OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ON US.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? THEY ARE SHARING THE LIKE OVERALL MAINTENANCE, UM, FACILITY TYPE COSTS LIKE THAT.

SO FOR THINGS LIKE THE WIGGLE TRACK BALANCE COURSE AND THE BASKETBALL HOOP, WHICH I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION.

SO I KIND OF PRINTED OUT A PICTURE OF WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE.

THOSE WOULD BE COSTS THAT ARE ON US.

SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE A POOL PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD BE ADDING DURING OUR OPEN SWIM.

UM, JUST SOMETHING FOR THE FAMILIES TO COME AND DO AT THE POOL, OTHER THAN HAVING THE SQUARE BODY OF WATER THAT WE'RE HAVING, SOME OF THOSE LITTLE ACTIVITIES THERE AS WELL.

BUT THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WOULD BE THROUGH US TO PURCHASE THE SCHOOL DOES THE THINGS LIKE WE'RE CURRENTLY REMODELING THE LOCKER ROOMS AT THE POOL AND THEY'RE PAYING HALF OF THAT PORTION AND THOSE TYPE OF COSTS.

THEY'RE GETTING A HEADS UP WAY IN ADVANCE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THESE THINGS SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE KOSHER.

UM, THE HUB KITCHEN COUNTERTOPS.

UM, I KNOW THAT THE USERSHIP OF THE HUB HAS BEEN INCREASING.

IT'S REALLY GOING GREAT.

HOW OFTEN DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW OFTEN THE KITCHEN IS USED AS A PART OF THE OVERALL RENTAL? IT'S A BIT LESS.

SO THE HUB OVERALL IN GENERAL WAS USED ABOUT ONE IN EVERY THREE DAYS LAST YEAR.

UM, AND THEN THE KITCHEN ITSELF ISN'T USED AS OFTEN.

UM, IT'S ABOUT MAYBE ONE IN EVERY FIVE OF THOSE RENTALS IS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A LUNCHEON WHERE THEY'LL HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR WHERE THE WEDDING RECEPTIONS COMMONLY TAKE PLACE AFTER A WEDDING AT THE PAVILION AND THOSE TYPE OF RENTALS.

SO IT ISN'T AS USED, UM, WHERE A LOT OF THE HUB RENTALS ARE, LIKE THE CAMPS AND DIFFERENT RETREATS, WORKSHOPS, CLASSES, BUT OTHER THINGS WHERE THEY'RE BEING CATERED IN.

HAVE YOU BEEN GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE KITCHEN FACILITIES? JUST COMMENTS ON THAT.

IT IS LACKING.

IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY COULD HAVE A BIG BIGGER SINK.

SO SUCH AS WHEN WE DID THE BREAKFAST WITH SANTA EVENT THIS YEAR, UM, IT HAS A VERY SMALL LITTLE KITCHEN SINK THAT WAS VERY INSUFFICIENT FOR WASHING THE DISHES.

I REMEMBER AS COUNSELOR FUL CONCUR.

NO, I, I AGREE TO OH YEAH, NO, I SAW IT TOO.

VERY WELL.

UM, YES, SO THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS.

SOME OF THE PARTICLE BOARD CABINETS ARE CHIPPING AND FALLING APART A BIT HERE AND THERE.

UM, SO IT'S SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT IT, IT'S USED FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT A BETTER SPACE AND A BETTER USABLE SPACE, UM, GETTING THAT REDONE WOULD BE A PRIORITY.

ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE NOT RELATED TO THAT IS, AND EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE, WHAT IS SYCAMORE LEASE PAYMENT? THAT WAS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.

SO THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMIN SITE, WE HAVE NAMED THOSE BUILDINGS, THE SYCAMORE BUILDINGS.

AND SO THIS IS THE LEASE PAYMENT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT IT'S THE PORTION OF THE COST THAT WE'RE ATTRIBUTING TO PARKS AND REC.

SORRY, I MISSED THAT WHEN I WAS YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EITHER.

UH, VICE AND VICE MAYOR.

UH, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTISM AND SENSORY AWARENESS GUIDES AND TRAINING.

UH, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THAT WHITES IN THE PARKS AND REC BUDGET AND HOW ALL THAT CAME TO BE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO THAT IS TO BECOME A CERTIFIED AUTISM CENTER.

AND WHAT THAT DOES MESA PARKS AND RECREATION, ESPECIALLY IN ARIZONA, IS KINDA LEADING THIS CHARGE.

BUT THERE'S PARKS AND RECS ACROSS THE NATION THAT ARE DOING THE SAME.

SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S THAT GROUP COMES VISITS OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, VISITS OUR PARKS AND FACILITIES AND PROGRAMS. AND WHAT THEY DO IS PUT TOGETHER AN OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE OF WHAT THESE SENSORY NEEDS ARE FOR PEOPLE WITH THESE DISABILITIES OR THE SPECIAL NEEDS THAT COME AND WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'D VISIT SUNSET PARK, ANALYZE THE PLAYGROUND, ANALYZE THE SOUNDS, SMELLS EVERYTHING AROUND IT, PUT TOGETHER A GUIDE OF, IF YOU COME TO THIS PARK, HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT, HERE'S WHAT WE CAN OFFER.

AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, THEY DO THE SAME WITH PROGRAMS. SO FOR LIKE OUR YOUTH BASKETBALL, THEY'D EVALUATE OUR YOUTH BASKETBALL PROGRAM AND BE LIKE, HERE'S THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT THEY MAKE, AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO ESPECIALLY WITH SPECIAL EVENTS, IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE TOURISM SIDE OF IT THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAVELING WITH SOMEONE WITH THOSE SPECIAL SENSORY NEEDS, THEY CAN FIND OUT AHEAD OF TIME OF IF THEY COME TO CELEBRATION OF SPRING, THERE'S GONNA BE QUITE A BIT OF LOUD NOISES AND BRIDES GOING AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE SUITABLE FOR THEM, BUT HERE'S HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT AND MAKE THOSE TYPE OF CHANGES.

AND PART OF THAT AS WELL IS TRAINING FOR ALL OF OUR STAFF THAT THEY WOULD DO EVERY TWO YEARS AND COME THROUGH AND DO THE TRAINING WITH OUR FULL-TIME STAFF AS WELL AS LIFEGUARDS AND THOSE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES AS WELL.

THANK

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YOU.

THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.

COUNCIL WILLIAMS, OH, ANOTHER QUESTION.

UH, CHANGING SUBJECTS.

YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

AND OUR, ALL OF OUR PARKS AND, AND OUR PROGRAMS ARE REALLY, I THINK EXCELLENT.

AND WHEN I USED TO GIVE THOSE REPORTS AT COUNCIL, I COULD SEE THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE PARTICIPATING FROM THE COMMUNITY.

UH, IF MONEY WAS NO OBJECT, UH OH, HE'S SMILING.

GOOD TIME LIKE THAT QUESTION.

AND, AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING FOR OUR RESIDENTS, THESE OUR PROGRAMS, OUR RESIDENTS ARE USING.

WHAT WOULD YOU, I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, OF COURSE.

WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT OTHER THINGS WOULD, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT OTHER PROGRAMS OR SERVICES OR, UH, PROJECTS WOULD YOU ENVISION? MY BIG ONE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE AN AQUATIC CENTER.

SO WHETHER THAT'S INDOOR OUTDOOR, JUST OUTDOOR WITH A COVER OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS FOR THE POOL, GETTING A MUCH BETTER POOL FACILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY OF SEDONA.

IT'S THE SCHOOL ONE EXISTS AND IT'S VERY OLD AND THERE'S LOTS OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH IT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

UM, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE OTHER CHALLENGES WITH KEEPING IT OPEN BEYOND THE SEASON, UM, AND HAVE THE SWIM TEAMS THAT DO IT YEAR ROUND AND LOTS OF THINGS THERE.

BUT HAVING A TOP QUALITY AQUATIC CENTER WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE BIG GOAL DREAMS THERE.

UM, OTHERWISE, I MEAN, WE HAVE GREAT PARKS, WE HAVE GREAT PROGRAMS, THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST CONTINUING TO ESCALATE THOSE PROGRAMS AND MAKING 'EM BETTER AND BETTER AND MAKING COST LESS PROHIBITIVE IN SOME CASES.

SO ANYONE IS ABLE TO ATTEND OUR SUMMER CAMPS AND ANYONE'S ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR PROGRAMS AND ALL OF THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL.

COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON? YEAH.

ABOUT THE AUTISM NOTES AND STUFF, WHERE ARE THOSE GONNA BE POSTED? ARE THEY CIRCULATED? HOW DO THEY, THEY'RE POSTED ON YOUR WEBSITE.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION AGAIN IS ANOTHER ONE OF THESE TOP LEVEL QUESTIONS.

I THINK MORE, UM, DIRECTING TO ANNETTE JUST TO THINK ABOUT AS WE MOVE INTO THE FUTURE, ALL OF THESE DEPART, WELL THIS IS THE FIRST ONE, WASTEWATER WAS DIFFERENT.

I'M LOOKING AT PR TWO WHERE WE DO THE FUNDING SOURCES AND OUR ESTIMATE FOR RESIDENT GENERATED AND VISITOR GENERATED FUNDING.

I THINK THIS IS A LARGELY UNDERUTILIZED ASPECT OF OUR BUDGET CONVERSATION.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THESE NUMBERS COME FROM.

I NEVER HEARD A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

I THINK WE'RE MISSING PERHAPS A DIFFERENT SLICE OF THE WHOLE BUDGET BY THINKING ABOUT THE TOTAL REVENUE, UH, PICTURE THAT WE HAVE IN SEDONA AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS VISITOR GENERATED, HOW MUCH OF IT IS RESIDENT GENERATED, AND THEN THE ALLOCATION FROM EACH OF THOSE POOLS TO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO, WHICH IS THESE KIND OF NUMBERS.

BUT WE'VE NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT AND SORT OF HOW WE MIGHT WANT TO PRIORITIZE WHERE RESIDENT FUNDING GOES, WHERE VISITOR FUNDING GOES.

SO THAT'S JUST A, A GENERAL COMMENT THAT I WOULD CHALLENGE US TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO USE THIS COLUMNS, UH, IN, IN IN THE PROCESS IN OUR BUDGET.

SO ON PR THREE, JOSH, FOR YOU, LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE MEASURE, UH, THIS IS THE PARKS AND REC PROGRAM REGISTRANTS PER THOUSAND POPULATION.

I'M LOOKING AT YOUR BENCHMARK HERE.

ALL CITIES IS 1946, WHICH TELLS ME THAT'S LIKE ALMOST TWO PROGRAMS PER RESIDENT CITIES UNDER 30,000 IS 4,000.

SO THAT'S KIND OF FOUR PER RESIDENT.

IS THAT MY CORRECT INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THOSE BENCHMARKS MEAN? YES, THAT IS.

AND WHAT'S CHALLENGING HERE? THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT AS WELL IS THE, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ON PROGRAM REGISTRANTS.

A LOT OF OUR PROGRAMS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, WE DON'T REGISTRANTS SPECIFIC REGISTRATIONS FOR SO SUCH AS CELEBRATION OF SPRING.

WE'RE THROWING A ROUGH ESTIMATE BASED ON PICTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT THERE WAS ABOUT 4,000 ATTENDEES.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT AS REGISTRANTS SO WE CAN'T COUNT THAT INTO THAT NUMBER.

SO THIS NUMBER HAS TO BE PEOPLE THAT SIGN UP, GIVE AN ADDRESS AND THOSE TYPE OF SPECIFIC THINGS FOR A PROGRAM WHICH WE HAVE WHEN WE'RE NOT SELLING TICKETS TO AN EVENT LIKE THAT, WE'RE NOT GETTING THOSE REGISTRATION SPECIFIC NUMBERS.

YEAH, THAT'S INTERESTING.

SO YOU'RE SAYING OTHER CITIES SOMEHOW THEY'RE GETTING MORE REGISTRANTS THAN WE ARE.

ON OUR LIKE PR FIVE AS WELL AS THE SECOND ONE ON PR THREE, WE HAVE LIKE THE PARKS AND RECREATION CLASS PROGRAM.

HAVING LESS GENERAL ATTENDANCE EVENTS OR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING.

IS THERE NO WAY FOR YOU TO ESTIMATE THE NUMBER OF REGISTRANTS? IT'S JUST NOT ALLOWED IN HOW YOU REPORT THOSE BENCHMARKS? WE DEFINITELY CAN ESTIMATE.

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THAT ONE SHOWS THE PROGRAM FACILITY REGISTRANTS ON PR THREE, ON PR FIVE, IT'S EVENT ATTENDANCE, WHICH IS JUST SPECIAL EVENT SPECIFIC.

THAT ONE IS GENERALIZED BY ADDING TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, RED DIRT CONCERTS CELEBRATION OF SPRING HALLOWEEN BASED ON, WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE AT A CLICKER WITH THE BOOTH TRYING TO CALCULATE AND GETTING AS CLOSE AS WE CAN, BUT NOT BEING SPECIFIC.

SO IN THIS PERFORMANCE INDICATOR IT HAS TO BE SOMEONE BASED ON THEIR INTERNATIONAL CITY AND COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION, LIKE IT'S SOMEONE REGISTERING FOR YOUR PROGRAM.

SO PERHAPS WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB IN THAT IN SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WITH HAVING REGISTRATION FOR THOSE DIFFERENT EVENTS.

BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A CHALLENGE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE FREE EVENTS THAT YOU DON'T WANNA SLOW IT DOWN.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT WAS GOOD INPUT.

AND THEN, UM, PE YOU MENTIONED PR FIVE, I DID A QUESTION ON PR FIVE.

I HOPE THIS YOUR EVENT ATTENDANCE REALLY, UH, DIDN'T CHANGE THE PROJECTION FROM 24 TO 25 AND I'M HOPING THAT'S NOT A LOSS OF ENTHUSIASM FOR OUR SPECIAL EVENTS .

CAN, CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOUR NUMBERS THERE AND WHAT YOU WERE THINKING WHEN YOU WERE PUTTING IN? NO, DEFINITELY NOT.

NOT A LOSS OF ENTHUSIASM AND I HOPE WE BLOW THAT PROJECTION OUTTA THE WATER .

BUT, UM, LOOKING AT IT FROM WHERE WE WERE THE YEAR BEFORE, SO WE, OR IN FISCAL YEAR 23 WHEN WE WERE ABOUT 12,000 YEP.

UM, EXPANDING OFF OF THAT AND ADDING SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE, UM, SUCH AS THE WINTER PLAY DAY AND EXPANDING THAT OFFERING.

THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL SPECIAL EVENT ADDED THIS NEXT YEAR.

AND WE ALSO, WITH THE CELEBRATION OF SPRING THIS YEAR WITH IT FALLING EASTER, HOW IT CAN FALL WITHIN BASICALLY A MONTH'S RANGE FALLING IN SPRING BREAK TIME, BASICALLY SAW US DOUBLE DOUBLE OUR ATTENDANCE NUMBERS AT THAT EVENT.

WHEREAS NEXT YEAR, SO THIS YEAR EASTER WAS MARCH 30TH.

NEXT YEAR IT'S APRIL 20TH, BEING IN LATE APRIL BACK TO KIND OF WHERE EASTER TYPICALLY FALLS.

IT'S GOING TO LIKE TRIM THAT NUMBER DOWN A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HIT AS MUCH OF THE TOURISM SPRING BREAK TRAFFIC, BUT WE'LL STILL PUT ON A GREAT EVENT RESIDENT FOCUSED AND GET A GOOD CROWD.

THANK YOU COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON.

I APPRECIATE THOSE INFORMED ANSWERS, JOSH.

AND UH, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

I JUST, I JUST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THIS PERFORMANCE MEASURE IS AN ARBITRARY DEFINED NUMBER DEFINED BY SOMEBODY ELSE.

I WOULD NOT WANT STAFF TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME DOING ANYTHING EXTRA TO TO, TO IMPROVE THAT NUMBER A, A FOOTNOTE OR SOMETHING THAT JUST SORT OF SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE ESTIMATE BASE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE I THINK FINE.

I JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE TOO MUCH OUT OF, OUT OF WHAT IS NOT A USEFUL, PARTICULARLY USEFUL NUMBER FOR US.

ONLY THERE IS A BENCHMARK THAT WE'RE USING.

THANK YOU JOSH.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON.

I ATTENDED ALMOST EVERY EVENT.

AND TO SEE YOU GO, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMEONE AT THE GATE TO STOPPING PEOPLE THE FLOW, IT'S EXCITING.

KIDS WANT TO GET IN, THEY DON'T WANNA BE WAITING, OH, WHAT'S YOUR ZIP CODE? WHAT'S YOUR ZIP CODE WE TRY TO DO AND YOU HAVE BEEN DOING AMAZING, JUST TRULY AMAZING WORK WITH PARKS AND REC TO STOP PEOPLE THERE TO ASK THAT QUESTION TO HOLD BACK.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE.

YOU DO A LOT OF THINGS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

WE, WHAT'S THAT? OKAY.

SO, UH, I I WOULD, I REALLY DON'T SEE A NEED TO, TO DIAL THAT IN.

YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN FOR THE RESIDENTS.

UH, I WANNA TOUCH ON WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THE POOL.

I THINK WE'VE ALL, IN THE PAST WE'VE, WE USED TO RECEIVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE POOL AND WE'RE NOT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE JUST STARTING THE SECOND YEAR AND WE HAVEN'T HAD COMPLAINTS.

I HAVE ONE PERSON THAT CONTACTS ME THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DONE, BUT THOSE COMPLAINTS HAVE NOW DWINDLED AND THAT SPEAKS A LOT I THINK TO YOUR LEADERSHIP.

AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IF YOU'RE EVER GONNA MAKE IT LIKE TOP-NOTCH, AQUATIC CENTER TYPE THING? I MEAN EVEN COMPARABLE TO LIKE COTTONWOOD REC CENTER TYPE THING, RIGHT? YES.

ANYTHING ELSE ADVICE, MAYOR? YEAH.

GOING BACK TO MY EARLIER QUESTION TO YOU ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF MONEY WAS NO OBJECT, BUT THE AQUATICS, UH, UH, PROGRAM THAT YOU ENVISION IS THE CURRENT POOL.

IF WE HAD UNFETTERED ACCESS TO THE CURRENT POOL, WOULD THE COSTS TO, UM, WOULD, WOULD THE COSTS TO MAKE IT WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE PRECLUDE ARE THOSE, WOULD IT BE EASIER TO BUILD A NEW POOL RATHER THAN TO GET THE POOL UP TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO BE TO BE THE AQUATICS VENUE THAT YOU, THAT YOU ENVISION

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PROBABLY BUILDING A NEW ONE WOULD BE THE SOLUTION.

I DO BELIEVE IF WE WERE TO KIND OF SEPARATE THE POOL FROM THE SCHOOL AND MAKE IT OUR OWN FACILITY, THAT WE COULD UPGRADE THAT, THAT COULD BE MADE A BEAUTIFUL POOL.

I MEAN LOOK AT THE LOCATION ON IT AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BEAT THE LOCATION FOR THE POOL AND THE VIEW FROM IT, THAT TYPE OF THING.

UM, THAT IT COULD BE A QUALITY POOL IF IT WAS RE PLASTERED, HAD THE LOCKER ROOMS REDONE SOME OF THOSE MAJOR PROJECTS.

UM, BUT YEAH, IT COULD BE MADE OF QUALITY POOL WHERE IT IS NOW AND CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND OFFER SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS THERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY, JOSH, CONTINUE IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE? NO.

SO WE KIND OF STARTED TALKING ABOUT DECISION PACKAGES, BUT I WENT AHEAD AND ADVANCED THE SLIDE TO THE NEXT, TO THE NEXT ONE.

SO THE, UH, DECISION PACKAGE FOR AUTISM SENSORY AWARENESS GUYS AND TRAINING.

SO THAT ONE IS RECOMMENDED.

THE HUB KITCHEN NEW COUNTERTOPS, SO THAT ONE, NOT THAT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY LIKE RECOMMENDED DON'T AS DON'T DO IT, BUT TO DO IT AS PART OF THE FACILITY, THE ANNUAL FACILITY PLAN INSTEAD OF AN ADDITION TO THE BUDGET AND JUST WORK IT INTO THE PLAN WHEREVER IT FITS IN.

UM, THE SKATE PARK LIGHTING IN POSSE GROUND.

SO IT WAS, UM, A DECISION PACKAGE PROPOSED BY JOSH.

ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING INTO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET BECAUSE THEY HANDLE THE, THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THINGS.

JOSH AND HIS TEAM HANDLE THE, THE OPERATIONAL TYPE ASPECTS.

UM, SO WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THE SKATE PARK LIGHTING.

UM, DO YOU WANNA HAVE SOME CONVERSATION? I DO ABOUT THAT DECISION PACKAGE? SO WE'LL START WITH UH, COUNCILLOR DUNN.

UM, SO I ALREADY GET PEOPLE SENDING ME COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE STADIUM LIGHTS ON THE FIELD.

UH, WE KNOW WE'RE PUTTING IN LIGHTS ON THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, UM, AND NOW WE'RE ADDING MORE LIGHTS INSIDE OF THE SKATE PARK.

HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS ALREADY AROUND WHETHER OR NOT YET ANOTHER SET OF LIGHTS IS AN ISSUE OR ARE THEY OKAY, LIKE IF THE LIGHTS ARE NOT AT 50 FEET UP BUT THEY'RE LOWER THAN IT WON'T BE IMPACTFUL.

HAVE YOU HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, DEFINITELY.

AND I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME AS WELL.

SO WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS , UM, YES, AND A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S SOME MISINFORMATION THERE TOO WITH PEOPLE SAYING THE LIGHTS ARE ON SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND WE HAVE THE SCHEDULE WHERE I CAN SHOW THEM EXACTLY WHAT TIME THOSE LIGHTS WERE TURNED OFF AND ON.

AND OFTENTIMES IT'S ONCE, MAYBE TWICE A WEEK DEPENDING ON DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO PART OF WHAT WILL BE THE NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS, THE LIGHTS AROUND THAT UPPER SOFTBALL FIELD ARE GOING AWAY AND THEN IT'LL BE THE PICKLEBALL COURT LIGHTS, WHICH WILL SIGNIFICANTLY BE, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER SETTING AS OPPOSED TO THE BIGGER SOFTBALL LIGHTS.

SO THAT IS A REDUCTION THERE.

UM, THE SKATE PARK IS ALSO FURTHER AWAY FROM ALL OF THE HOUSES AND IT'LL BE THOSE 12 FOOT TYPE POLES RATHER THAN HOWEVER TALL.

THE SOFTBALL POLES ARE VERY HIGH, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS TOO.

SO YES, WE HAVE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND ALL OF THOSE ARE ALSO ON HARD TIMERS THAT TURN OFF AT 10:00 PM SO IT STAYS IN THAT COMPLIANCE THERE AS WELL.

JOSH, DO THOSE LIGHTS HAVE TO BE 12 FOOT TALL OR JUST FOR VANDALISM? I MEAN, COULD THEY BE LOWER DOWN 10 FEET? WOULD THAT NOT WORK FOR YOU? DOES IT, DOES IT NOT GIVE THE, WHAT DO THEY CALL THE CONE, UH, COVERAGE? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT HAVING A LITTLE BIT LESS RADIUS OF THE LIGHT THAT IT WOULD COVER BEING A LITTLE BIT LOWER.

UM, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY CHECK INTO THAT IT WAS LIGHTING UNLIMITED THAT GAVE US THE QUOTE AND KIND OF GUIDELINES FOR THAT FOR THE SKATE PARK.

AND WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THE LIGHTING WOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARD THE CENTER OF WHATEVER, WHETHER IT'S IN THE PICKLEBALL COURT, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE UPRIGHT AND LIKE WE HAVE FROM THE, UH, SOFTBALL FIELD, THEY'RE SO HIGH UP YOU CAN SEE FROM 89 A AND IT'S REALLY PROJECTING OUT.

SO, AND THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DARK SKY'S SUPPOSED TO BE CUTTING BACK ON.

ALL THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION YES.

THAT IT IS CENTERED MORE TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE COURT AND VERY MINIMAL OVERFLOW OUTSIDE OF THE COURT OR SKATE PARK AREA OR AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE.

WELL I APPRECIATE YOU JUST KEEPING THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND.

DEFINITELY MAYOR, I WOULD JUST ADD OH YEAH, ANDY, AS YOU PULL THE LIGHTS DOWN, THE USER ABILITY OF THE FACILITY BECOMES DIMINISHED.

'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE BLINDING THE PERSON TRYING TO USE THE FACILITY.

SO, AND, AND BEING AT THAT, UM, TALLER HEIGHT, YOU GET THE PROJECTION OF THE LIGHTING.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING WITHOUT HAVING TO DIRECT IT IN A WAY THAT WOULD SPILL BEYOND THE PARK.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE MY THOUGHTS WERE RIGHT.

UM, ONE MORE THING ON THE LIGHTS AS WELL THAT WE HAD GOTTEN OR WE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE REQUESTED QUOTES FOR THE LIGHTS FOR BOTH ELECTRIFIED OPTION AND A SOLAR OPTION

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WHEN WE GOT THOSE BACK.

AND I'VE WORKED WITH BRYCE ON THAT FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY SIDE AS WELL.

FOR THE ELECTRIFIED OPTION BEING WHERE IT IS AND ALREADY ABLE TO HOOK UP TO ELECTRIC, IT IS $60,783 WAS THEIR QUOTE.

THE SOLAR OPTION TO DO THE SOLAR LIGHTS WAS 342,900.

WHOA.

SO IT'S ALMOST FIVE TIMES MORE.

DOING THE SOLAR OPTION IN THIS CASE IS THE REASON THAT WE'VE PUT THE ELECTRIFIED OPTION IN AS THE QUOTE OPTION.

AND OF COURSE HAVE COMMUNICATED THAT WITH BRYCE AND DISCUSSED THOSE THINGS WITH HIM AS WELL.

BUT SURPRISINGLY HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING SOLAR AND ELECTRIC IN THIS LOCATION.

SO I WANNA TOUCH ON ONE THING THAT I MISSED BEFORE AND I APOLOGIZE.

THE AUTISM, AUTISM SENSORY AWARENESS, HOW MANY REQUESTS DO YOU HAVE FROM OUR RESIDENTS FOR THAT WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEONE COME AND SAY, I HAVE AN AUTISTIC CHILD, I NEED THIS HELP.

OR IS THAT JUST FOR THE, TO WORK WITH THAT ORGANIZATION THAT'S GOING AROUND CERTIFYING PARKS OR CITIES, HOW I WANNA SEE WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING FOR THE RESIDENTS.

YEAH, WE DO GET SOME.

THE CURRENT CONCERN IS THE HIGH SCHOOL DOES HAVE, OF COURSE LIKE A SPECIAL EDUCATION DEPARTMENT AND SPECIAL OLYMPICS, BUT ONCE THOSE KIDS AGE OUT OF THAT, THERE'S ALMOST NOTHING FOR THEM TO GO TO.

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS AND DOING SOME SPECIAL OLYMPICS PROGRAMMING AND WE'RE STARTING WITH BOCCE BALL AND SWIMMING AS KIND OF OUR FIRST PROGRAMS WITH THAT.

UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE KIDS THAT ARE AGING OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.

UM, BUT PEOPLE DO REACH OUT ALL THE TIME ABOUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND ESPECIALLY WITH PLAYGROUNDS TOO.

WE DO GET A DECENT AMOUNT OF CALLS ON LIKE AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK, CAN I, IS THERE A DA ACCESSIBLE SWINGS AND THOSE TYPE OF CONCERNS TOO.

SO YES, I JUST WANT BE TO BE ABLE TO TIE THAT INTO ANY, UH, COMMUNICATION I HAVE WITH RESIDENTS THAT IT IS SERVING THE RESIDENTS AND NOT JUST THE, THE TOURISTS SUPPOSEDLY.

CONTINUE ON.

I I ALSO JUST WANNA JUST THROW OUT A REMINDER, UM, AT THE VERY END.

SO TOMORROW AFTERNOON WE'LL BE ASKING FOR THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON THE DECISION PACKAGES.

SO WHILE WE HAVE JOSH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GOT ALL THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

I'M GOOD.

EVERYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER LAST MINUTE QUESTIONS FOR JOSH? I MEAN IF THIS IS LIKE GOODBYE JOSH, THEN I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, NO, DON'T SAY THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A GREAT JOY TO SEE THE CONTINUED ELEVATION OF THE PARKS AND REC PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE YEAR OVER YEAR HAS BEEN REALLY COOL.

AND, UH, I'M CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SKATE PARK LIGHTING.

I CAN'T THINK OF A TIME THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN AT THE HUB AT DUSK OR PAST RIGHT.

WHEN THERE HAVE NOT BEEN KIDS OUT TRYING TO SKATEBOARD WHETHER THEY GOT CARS POINTED AT IT WITH THE LIGHTS ON THE CARS, WHATEVER.

SO I THINK THAT IS A VERY WISE INVESTMENT.

ANYONE ELSE ON THE DA? OKAY.

SO HAVE YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION FOR THAT AT LEAST FOR, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? DO YOU HAVE ONE? NO, JUST WITH THE CRPS WE ARE GONNA COVER CS.

SO CIP PROJECTS ARE NEXT.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, PUBLIC WORK STAFF TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THE CIP PROJECTS AS WELL.

UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE, UM, NOT IN THE SAME ORDER AS IN THE BOOK.

THE FIRST PART IS THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CARRYOVER PROJECTS, UM, THE RANGER STATION PARK AND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

AND THEN FUTURE PROJECTS.

WE'VE GOT THE NEW CONCESSION STAND, UM, THAT IS OUT, UM, TO START IN FISCAL YEAR 27 AND THEN OUT IN THE FISCAL IN THE FUTURE YEARS.

AND THEN WE'VE ADDED A NEW PROJECT FOR SUNSET PARK PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN FISCAL YEAR 26.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CONCESSION STAND.

SO JOSH, THIS WOULD PREDATE YOU, SHERRY YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THIS.

I, WE'VE BEEN KICKING THAT CAN FOR AT LEAST THE 10 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN JESSICA'S HERE LONGER THAN I AM.

I DON'T KNOW IF EVEN BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL, HOW OFTEN THAT'S BEEN COMING UP AND I'M, I'M SURE THAT THAT FIGURE COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT LESS IF WE DID IT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.

SO IT'S JUST A GUESS.

UH, BUT I THINK IT'S TIME, IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING CLOSER AT THAT.

SO PART PART OF THE, THE, UM, REASONING WHY IT'S PUSHED OUT INTO THOSE YEARS IS TO ACCUMULATE ENOUGH FUNDING IN THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICTS TO BE ABLE TO COVER THAT.

OTHERWISE MAKES WE'LL NEED TO DIP INTO CAPITAL RESERVES, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO SEE IT FIXED AT THAT DATE, NOT TO CONTINUE BEYOND THAT.

BRIAN WAS FIRST AND THEN KATHY AND THEN JESSICA ACTUALLY, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON WAS FIRST FOR WHAT'S WORTH.

MAYBE 'CAUSE I'M KEEP LOOKING WHAT A MATCH.

UM, THE, THE SUNSET PARK PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, UM, IS IT JUST GETTING OLD? IT

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IS.

AND IS WHAT, IS IT GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH THE KIND THAT'S THERE NOW OR SOME, SOME DIFFERENT VARIATION? SOMETHING IMAGINATIVE OR? NO, I MEAN, I DON'T MIND SOME OF THE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING TO YOU AS THE EXPERT.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHAT IT SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE.

IS IT JUST GOING, IS IT GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH REPLACING WHAT'S THERE NOW WITH WHATEVER THE NEWER VERSION OF THAT IS? YES, THAT WOULD BE THE TARGET HERE.

AND YES, THAT PLAYGROUND IS JUST GETTING OLDER.

THERE'S LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, PEELING CRACKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

LIKE THE SLIDE WAS CLOSED FOR A LITTLE BIT AS IT'S CHIPPING IN DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT I TOTALLY TRUST YOU.

BUT YES, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A STANDARD PLAYGROUND.

I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD ANOTHER DESIGNED HALINA OR SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE THAT.

BUT NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN, AN EVENT THAT HAPPENS ON EVERY, AT EVERY SITE.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.

SO JOSH, HAVE WE LOOKED AT GETTING SPONSORS FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO UNDERWRITE PROJECTS WHERE IT WOULD BE VERY EASY TO SAY THIS BUILT BY OR, YOU KNOW, FROM CONTRIBUTE, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS FROM X NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, INSTITUTIONS, ET CETERA.

WE DO THAT QUITE A BIT FOR OUR SPECIAL EVENTS AND PROGRAMS, BUT ON THE BUILDING SIDE WE HAVE NOT VERY MUCH.

SO THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE.

IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR SOMETHING LIKE A PLAYGROUND LIKE THAT.

BUSINESSES LOVE TO PUT THEIR NAMES ON FACILITIES AND UH, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND AND THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR FUNDING MORE HAVE ALINA PLAY STRUCTURES THAN MORE OF THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD.

ESPECIALLY ONCE PEOPLE SEE THE HAVE ALINA'S IN ACTION.

SO I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT.

YEAH, I JUST ALSO WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU, IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS FOR OUT YEARS, AND I GUESS THIS GOES MORE TO SHERRY 'CAUSE IT'S A GENERAL, YOU'RE ALSO HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS REGARDING THE CAPACITY THAT THEY HAVE TO GET PROJECTS DONE.

SO THE FACT THAT SOMETHING IS IN A YEAR FOR 2026 OR 2027 MIGHT BE A REFLECTION OF THE CAPACITY ISSUE VERSUS JUST A FUNDING QUESTION.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THE BOTH ASPECTS ARE INCLUDED.

AND THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WITH THE SUNSET PARK, UM, PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE, SO THAT WOULD BE COVERED WITH CAPITAL RESERVES AND WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION OF, WELL IF WE PUSH THAT ONE OUT AND DID THE CONCESSION STAND AND USE CAPITAL RESERVES FOR THAT ONE SOONER, LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BALANCE THAT OUT.

BUT, UM, BASED OFF OF WHAT JOSH WAS SAYING, I MEAN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE THAT'S BEEN NEEDED.

SO I GUESS I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO REALIZE THAT THAT DISCUSSION HAS HAPPENED AT THAT LEVEL AS WELL WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT MOVING YEARS AROUND AND MOVING THINGS UP.

SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR BOX AND REC? UM, SO AT THIS TIME JOSH ISN'T REALLY PLANNING ANYTHING ON, UM, CHANGES ON THE FEES.

SO THOSE WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.

AND ON THOSE FEES, SINCE WE DID THE FEE SCHEDULE TALK WHENEVER IT WAS LAST SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIMEFRAME FOR ALL THOSE RENTAL FEES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THAT.

'CAUSE IT'S BEEN GREATLY APPRECIATED THROUGH THE RENTAL COMMUNITY OF EVERYONE RENTING OUR FACILITIES AND HAVING MUCH MORE EASE OF USE AND MAKING IT A LOT MORE SENSE.

BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION.

I WONDER WHO THAT COULD BE.

GOOD MORNING, ROBERT.

UM, SO WE DO HAVE OUR FINANCE PURCHASE PAYMENTS, UM, WHERE WE'RE, UM, PAYING THE BANK FOR THROUGH A FINANCE PURCHASE, THE LEASE PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR THE, UM, TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES AND, UM, THE MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING SOMEWHAT SOON.

MORNING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY AGAIN MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

AND WE ARE ON TRACK FOR WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE.

SO, UM, ON THE SUMMARY CHANGES FOR TRANSIT, UM, FISCAL YEAR 24, BUDGET DIRECT COST ABOUT 2.5 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 GOING TO 2.8.

OVERALL, THAT'S A 12% INCREASE.

THE ONGOING PORTION, 21%.

UM, THIS IS LARGELY RELATED TO, UM, GETTING THE, UM, MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE IMPLEMENTED.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES THAT YOU SEE THERE.

UM, WE ARE SEEING, UM, VERDE SHUTTLE COSTS, UM, THAT'S THE VERDE SHUTTLE MANAGED THROUGH COTTONWOOD.

WE'VE SEEN THOSE COSTS GO UP.

SO ABOUT 65,000 ADDED THERE.

UM, ALSO ADDED, UM, WHEN IN HERE IS UPTOWN TRANSIT CIRCULAR STUDY, UM, FOR ABOUT 45,000 OF THAT AMOUNT, 36,000 IS ANTICIPATED TO BE GRANT FUNDED.

UM, AND IN THE, THE ONE TIME COSTS.

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SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE OPERATING BUDGET? I DON'T.

ANYBODY ELSE? NO, NOTHING I DO BETTER.

PETE, I'M SORRY.

UH, ROBERT, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON YOUR PT TWO.

YOU'VE GOT THE BENCHMARK IN THERE FOR THE URBAN TRANSIT SYSTEMS. IS THERE NO RURAL TRANSIT SYSTEM BENCHMARKS THAT YOU YEAH, I PULLED THAT FROM NTD AND I COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING ON RURAL.

BUT, UM, I CAN TELL YOU ANECDOTALLY THAT LOCALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX TO EIGHT PASSENGERS AN HOUR JUST WITH SOME OF OUR LOCAL SYSTEMS. UH, FLAGSTAFF'S DOING A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT HITTING OUR TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE NUMBERS JUST ON PRODUCTIVITY.

SO, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE OF MY TOP LEVEL COMMENTS, THIS DOESN'T GO JUST TO YOU ROBERT, THIS IS ALL THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET BOOK.

I LOOK ON LIKE PT THREE, WHERE YOU HAVE BLANKS IN BENCHMARKS FOR MANY ELEMENTS.

AND I GET THAT THERE'S NO, UH, ESTABLISHED BENCHMARK THAT YOU CAN HAVE.

BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANNETTE, YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S OKAY TO SUBSTITUTE STAFF GOALS FOR WHERE WE'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE RATHER THAN JUST BENCHMARKS THAT WE CAN FIND.

I I THINK THAT WOULD ADD A LOT TO THIS BOOK.

THERE'S A LOT OF BLANKS IN, IN BENCHMARKS IN PLACES WHERE IT'S TOUGH TO FIND BENCHMARKS.

BUT I THINK IT'S OKAY FOR US TO ESTABLISH KIND OF THE INTERNAL SEDONA GOAL OF WHERE THE MANAGER MIGHT LIKE TO SEE, UH, THAT GO.

AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT, ROBERT, IS ALSO TOP LEVEL IS I THINK THE TRANSIT SYSTEM IS RIPE FOR A STUDY SESSION FOR US ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHERE WE SEE THE FUTURE EXPENDITURES ARE, IS THAT IN YOUR PLAN TO DO A, A BUDGET SESSION OR A STUDY SESSION WITH US AT ALL? UH, CURRENTLY? UH, NO.

BUT IF THAT IS THE REQUEST, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.

UM, IT, I WOULD THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, WE HAVE A PRE-SESSION ON TRANSIT 1 0 1.

YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE, UH, WHAT I'VE DONE WITH THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

IT'S ABOUT AN HOUR LONG SESSION ON TRANSIT 1 0 1, HOW IT'S HISTORY, HOW IT'S FUNDED, HOW IT'S REGULATED, THE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS, THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, THE VEHICLES, ET CETERA.

UH, DEPLOYING THE MICRO TRANSIT.

YOU KNOW, THERE, AND FROM THERE YOU CAN THEN HAVE A, A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION ON, ON FUTURE DIRECTION.

SO YEAH.

I, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE, ROBERT.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, AND I THINK ABOUT WHAT'S CHANGING HERE POTENTIALLY DRAMATICALLY, IS OUR WHOLE TOURISM OPERATION AND TRANSIT ARE THE TWO SUBJECT MATTERS.

WHERE OUR, WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO SPEND AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE FUTURE AND A NEED TO PROBABLY, AND WE HAVEN'T, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL NOT THAT LONG, HAVEN'T HAD A REALLY FOCUSED CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING MM-HMM.

AND, AND HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST TO GET THERE.

SO THOSE ARE TWO TOPICS THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO THINK ABOUT FOR THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR.

THANKS, COUNCILOR FOLTZ.

THANK YOU MAYOR ROBERT.

ON, UH, PT THREE, THE WORKLOAD INDICATOR FOR PASSENGERS PER VEHICLE REVENUE HOUR, THE FY 25 PROJECTION IS DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY OVER CURRENTS IN PAST YEARS.

UH, IS THAT BECAUSE OF MICRO TRANSIT BEING FACTORED IN OR SOMETHING ELSE? EXACTLY.

UM, YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON COUNSELOR, THE MICRO CHANCE AND TO, TO BRACE THE COMMUNITY WITH THE MICRO CHANCE DEMAND RESPONSE CURB TO CURB SERVICE, YOU ARE NOT GONNA SEE THAT TYPE OF PRODUCTIVITY THAT YOU, WE HAVE BEEN ENJOYING WITH THESE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES.

UM, TYPICALLY WE'RE SEEING FIVE TO EIGHT PASSENGERS PER HOUR ON THAT MODE OF SERVICE.

SO I DID MY BEST TO PROJECT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND IT DID BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN OVERALL, BUT STILL WE'RE, I THINK, WELL OVER 20% OR YEAH, AT LEAST OVER 20% OR, OR OVER 20 PASSENGERS PER HOUR, WHICH IS, IS, UH, IS NOT, UH, A SHAMEFUL NUMBER IN PUBLIC TRANSIT.

SO, I MEAN, BUT, BUT YEAH, I DID PROJECT THAT BASED ON, SOME OF IT WAS PRETTY LOOSE PROJECTIONS, UH, PROJECTED MICRO TRANSIT PASSENGERS, AND THEN OF COURSE THE HOURS,

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SO WITH, WITH ROBERT, WITH THOSE BEING SUCH FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION MODALITIES, ESSENTIALLY, WHY NOT JUST HAVE THOSE AS SEPARATE LINE ITEMS? WE CAN RE I CAN REPORT IT THAT WAY AS, AS WELL.

I MEAN, I, I CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH .

YOU KNOW THAT WELL, THE MICROT TRANSIT MAY BE A LOT LOWER.

BUT I THINK WE SHOULD SEE IT SEPARATELY.

I DO GENERATE AN INTERNAL DASHBOARD THAT IS CIRCULATED TO, UH, CITY MANAGER AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT GETS FORWARDED TO YOU, BUT IT, IT SHOWS THAT LEVEL.

UM, AND MY PLAN WOULD BE TO, TO SEPARATE THAT BY MODE WITH THAT DASHBOARD.

OKAY, SO MOVING ON TO THE CIP PROJECTS.

SO WE HAVE, UM, CARRYOVER PROJECTS ON THE LIST.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, SO ON THE, THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN IS, UM, HOW MUCH IS BEING ADDED, UM, IN THIS FISCAL SCHOOL YEAR, 25 BUDGET REQUESTS BEING ADDED TO THESE PROJECTS.

UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAS SOME, SOME LARGER COSTS HERE BEING ADDED.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME NEW PROJECTS BEING ADDED ON.

UM, THAT WAS FOR STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 25 FOR BUS STOP IMPROVEMENTS AND A PROJECT, UM, THAT IS NOW POPPING UP, UM, PTO EIGHT FOR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT, UM, OUT, BASICALLY OUT BY THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

SO, UM, DON'T SEE PUBLIC WORKS.

THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC WORKS REPRESENTATION HERE.

UM, SO THEY, HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OKAY.

PUBLIC WORKS PLUS, BUT I, I CAN ANSWER SOME, BUT NOT ALL, BECAUSE THEY'RE MANAGING A NUMBER OF THESE PROJECTS CAN HELP AS WELL.

AND ANDY ANDY'S HERE.

COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON.

YEAH, I JUST HAVE A, REMIND ME WHAT THE Y PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT IS.

REMIND ME OR TELL ME, I DON'T KNOW, .

SO THE CITY ACQUIRED LAST YEAR, THE Y PROPERTY.

THE OLD CHEVRON.

I REMEMBERED THAT WHAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IS, IS BEAUTIFICATION.

SO SOME MINOR WORK, UM, LANDSCAPING, REMOVAL OF ASPHALT, DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING TO ENSURE THAT IT DOESN'T GO BAD ON US, THAT SORT OF STUFF.

SO NONE OF THIS IS, IS, IS FUNDAMENTAL TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING.

IT DOES LOOK KIND OF DECREPIT AND ABANDONED.

SO I'M KIND OF GLAD YOU'RE DOING THAT.

SO WE'VE, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S NICE, RIGHT? WE'VE AL WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING SOME MAINTENANCE WORK OKAY.

ON THE BUILDING TO ENSURE THAT IT STAYS IN GOOD SHAPE.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD MENTION IS THE REASON WHY THIS IS UNDER TRANSIT IS WHEN WE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY, WAS WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT HAD TO BE FOR TRANSPORTATION USE UHHUH .

THANK YOU COUNCILOR FULTON.

AND I'LL HAVE A COMMENT.

PLAN AND THE $5 MILLION PRICE TAG.

I, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN WAS SAYING ABOUT HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE ON TRANSIT, THE SAME APPLIES TO THE, THE OLD GAS STATION.

I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF DRAWING MORE FOOT TRAFFIC IN PARTICULAR TO THE Y BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC, I THINK.

BUT, UH, MY MAIN QUESTION IS ABOUT NEW PROJECT PTO EIGHT, THE, UH, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS OUT AT THE WASTE TREATMENT CENTER FOR A FUTURE, UH, TRANSIT MAINTENANCE CENTER.

THAT, THAT IS A BREATHTAKING NUMBER, ALMOST FIVE AND A HALF MILLION FOR AN INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT WAY OUT THERE.

LIKE, DO WE REALLY HAVE TO DO THAT? I MEAN, LIKE, THAT, THAT'S JUST A KILLER.

SO WHAT, WHY, WHY DO WE NEED TO DO THAT? SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT'S DRIVING IT AS FAR AS THE ENGINEERING SOLUTION.

THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SAT NEXT TO ME IS MUCH MORE QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

BUT WHAT IS DRIVING IT IS SAFETY FIRST AND FOREMOST.

UM, AS YOUR CHANCE SYSTEM GROWS, IT WILL BE DEPLOYING FROM THAT FACILITY.

UM, YOU'LL ALSO, AND EMPLOYEES, UM, DISPATCHERS, OPERATORS, MECHANICS ALONG WITH THE CURRENT WASTEWATER EMPLOYEES, THAT LEFT HAND TURN MOVEMENT ACROSS A STATE HIGHWAY, UM, IS BAD ENOUGH IN A PERSONAL VEHICLE.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN A 22 TON VEHICLE IN THE FUTURE, 50 YEARS OUT, MAYBE, MAYBE LESS, 30, 50 YEARS OUT, THOSE, UH, VEHICLES AREN'T VERY QUICK OFF THE LINE.

AND FROM A TRANSIT PERSPECTIVE, MAKING THAT LEFT REPEATEDLY DAILY, MULTIPLE TIMES, IF YOU COULD IMAGINE YOU'RE HAVING A PULLOUT BUS SYSTEM THAT'S PULLING OUT EVERY 60 SECONDS, MAKING THAT TURN MOVEMENT.

UH, WE, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF AN INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT THERE FOR, FOR SAFETY IN GENERAL.

UM, SO WITH THAT, KURT, THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE CURRENT

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SO, I MEAN, I MEAN, I NEED TO BE SOLD ON THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, 'CAUSE ROBERT, YOU JUST SAID 30 TO 50 YEARS OUT, THAT FEELS LIKE A REALLY BIG CAN TO KICK DOWN THE CURB, YOU KNOW, AT FIRST GLANCE.

SO OUT OF A WORLD OF PRIORITIES AND WHAT WE CAN SPEND MONEY ON, MM-HMM.

, SO FAR I'M NOT SOLD ON FIVE AND A HALF MILLION.

SO KURT, SELL ME.

AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TO THE, UM, THIS IS, UH, OPERATION MAINTENANCE OR JUST THE ACTUAL, JUST JUST THE INTER INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT ON 89 A AT THE FUTURE FACILITY.

AND I THINK, I THINK YOUR TEAM'S COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY LOOKING AT SEPARATING THAT WHOLE, UH, INTERSECTION OUT.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT TYPES OF WHAT WE CAN DO IN, IN INTERIM.

AND ALSO LONG TERM, OF COURSE, THIS IS WORKING WITH ADOT.

UM, IT'S ADOT RIGHT AWAY.

IT'S ADOT ISS GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED.

BUT, UM, ROBERT ALSO MENTIONED MV THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RISK ASSESSMENT THAT'S GONNA BE ACTUALLY EVALUATING HOW WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE THOSE INTERSECTIONS.

SO AT THIS STAGE, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THE BEST VALUE FOR KEEPING THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AND MOVING THOSE LEFT TURNS.

UM, JOHN'S COME UP WITH SOME PLANS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, OF, OF TRYING TO IMPROVE THE ROAD.

BUT ONCE WE GET INTO THAT, UH, NEGOTIATION, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY A DOTS A DRIVER ON THAT.

AND WHAT WE DID IS WE SEPARATED THAT FROM ACTUAL THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY AS A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

SO CAN ADOT PAY FOR IT, PERHAPS AS A MINOR PROJECT OR EVEN THROUGH GRANTS, UM, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, FEDERAL HIGHWAYS, AND, AND THEN SECONDLY, I WANNA SAY NACOG ANDY, RIGHT? WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT NCOS.

UH, THIS SEEMS LIKE A KIND OF PROJECT NACO WOULD PUT ON THEIR LIST AND HELP SUPPORT.

WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING AT THAT.

KURT AND I ARE BOTH PLUGGED INTO NACOG AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT FUNDING OPTIONS THAT WE CAN GO AFTER FOR THIS.

BUT I WOULD JUST KIND OF EMPHASIZE THE, THE IMPETUS FOR THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS IS COMING FROM THE CITY, ADDING THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER TO THIS AREA.

SO THE IMPACT ON THE HIGHWAY IS WHAT'S DRIVING THE NEED FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO WHILE I THINK WE CAN GET ADOT TO PARTNER WITH US AND HELP US OUT, IT'S REALLY NOT THEIR PROBLEM TO SOLVE, I WOULD JUST EMPHASIZE.

BUT AREN'T THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING SAFE ROADWAYS? IT'S THEIR HIGHWAY.

IT SO, SO I GUESS TO FURTHER CLARIFY, THE ROADWAY IS SAFE TODAY, BUT ONCE WE ADD A HIGH NUMBER OF BUS, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, COUNTS TO THAT ROADWAY, TO THAT INTERSECTION IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, PERSONNEL THAT WILL BE GOING TO THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION CENTER, ALL OF THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT COMES FROM THIS NEW FACILITY IS REALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THE NEED FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT MOST OF THESE PROJECTS, UH, FEDERAL ARE FUNDED AT 80%.

BUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF ARIZONA DOESN'T ADOT FUND IMPROVEMENTS AS GREATER USE OR NEED ARISES AND DOESN'T JUST SAY, WELL, OKAY, SEDONA, OR SHOW LOW OR WHOEVER'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR FAULT, YOUR PROBLEM, YOU PAY.

WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER DEVELOPER THAT PUTS IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT, THEY ALWAYS SAY, THIS IS ON YOU.

THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE A, A SHOT AT SOME ASSISTANCE IS BECAUSE WE ARE A MUNICIPALITY AND WE WORKED THROUGH NACO AND, AND OTHER GROUPS THAT WOULD PROVIDE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR POTENTIAL FUNDING.

AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS TRANSIT ORIENTED, WHICH IS A DARLING CONCEPT, RIGHT? SUPPORT, UH, EXCEPT FOR WE'RE IN ARIZONA WHERE IT'S OKAY.

IS NOT QUITE AS DARLING IS IT IS IN CALIFORNIA, FOR INSTANCE.

I, OKAY.

BUT WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THE FOCUS THAT SOMEHOW WE GOTTA GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO PAY FOR THIS.

I, I MEAN, I I WOULD ADD LET'S SAVE OUR FIVE AND A HALF FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

I, I WOULD ADD THAT THE ENTIRE PROJECT, THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY OF THIS IMPROVEMENT, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL THUS FAR IS TO HAVE THIS HEAVILY GRANT FUNDED UP TO, UP TO 85 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.

SO TO ME, THIS INTERSECTION WOULD, WOULD NOT, WOULD ALSO BE PART OF THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, OBJECTIVE TO PURSUE THOSE GRANTS THROUGH FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, ET CETERA.

UM, EVEN, EVEN THROUGH THE US DOT'S, UH, ACCESS TO, TO PUBLIC LANDS GRANTS.

SO, UM, I, I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE, UM, IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL THE CITY HAVING TO SHOULDER THAT ENTIRE 5 MILLION IF THAT IS INDEED THE, THE COST, UH, WHEN WE GET THERE.

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UM, THE GRANTS WE'RE GOING AFTER FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT ARE FUNDED AT 85%.

SO, UM, MORE TO COME, BUT THAT, THAT'S THE NUMBER, UH, OKAY.

RIGHT NOW, SO, OKAY, COUNCIL, CAN SULLIVAN, THE VICE MAYOR THEN COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON? YEAH, I, I SHARE COUNCILLOR FO'S CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PT EIGHT PROJECT.

IT'S, UM, I HAD IT TAGGED TO ASK ABOUT ALONG THE SAME LINE OF QUESTIONING, BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEPARATE PT O EIGHT FROM PTO ONE.

UM, BUT PT O ONE IS NOT YET AT THE POINT IN MY MIND, AND YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS.

SO YOU TELL ME.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT YET AT THE POINT WHERE I THINK IT COULD DICTATE WHAT PTO EIGHT WOULD NEED TO BE.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHY IS THE 400,000 HAVE TO GO IN FISCAL YEAR 25 FOR PTO EIGHT? SHOULDN'T THAT BE BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS OF CAPACITY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THE TIMING OF WHAT HAPPENS? I MEAN, THERE'S GOTTA BE A NEPA ON A ONE BEFORE WE COULD EVEN TALK ABOUT OH EIGHT.

I'M QUESTIONING, I'M QUESTIONING THE TIMING ON THIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO TAKE THAT.

'CAUSE THAT WAS A BIG QUESTION ANDY DOES.

WELL, I KNOW THAT WE DO NEED TO GET THE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN STARTED ON THIS SO THAT THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT HOLDING UP THE OPERATION OF THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION CENTER.

HAVING SAID THAT, UM, REALISTICALLY WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT OUT TO 26 AND STILL HAVE IT FALL IN LINE WITH THE TIMING OF, OF, OF THOSE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.

IT WOULD GIVE US ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR TO LOOK AT THAT FEDERAL ACCESS LAND TYPE, UM, FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT ROBERT MENTIONED.

AND SO I, I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO KICK THAT OUT A YEAR.

UH, THE REALLY THE 400,000 IS FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT NOW.

SO WHEN WE APPROACH ADOT AND THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER, THE FOREST SERVICE, WE HAVE DATA THAT WE CAN SHOW 'EM WHAT ARE OUR, UM, ADTS, WHAT ARE THESE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS, AND WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS SHOWING THIS PHASING OF WHAT WE CAN DO AS WE BRING MORE TRAFFIC INTO THE FACILITY AS IT'S USED OVER TIME.

AND THERE'S ALSO, ISN'T THAT PART OF THAT AN ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS? OH, ROBERT, THIS, THIS, THIS WAS PREDICATED ON WHAT AN ENTIRE BUILD OUT OF AN INTERSECTION AT SURFACE.

BUT THERE IS ALSO A POTENTIAL OF USING AN EXISTING UNDER FREEWAY PASSAGE.

AND WE'VE ALREADY ENGAGED ADOT ABOUT THE OPTION OF USING THAT AS AN INTERIM BASIS AS OUR QUARTERLY MEETING WITH THAT.

SO WE'RE ALREADY ENGAGING WITH NORTH CENTRAL DISTRICT AND FLAG STAFF OF THESE ARE OUR PLANS, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT IT, AND SO ON.

SO THAT MONEY WAS REALLY JUST AS A PLACEHOLDER TO DO THAT ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS VICE, EXCUSE ME, VICE MAYOR, I CONCUR WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

I AM CONFUSED BY THIS.

WE'RE HAVING A SIM UPDATE WHAT NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRANSIT IS GONNA BE PART OF THAT, BUT I NEED TO SEE SOMETHING THE BIGGER PICTURE 'CAUSE I'M NOT GETTING IT.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE NEED A MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER FOR FIXED ROUTES OR WE NEED IT BEFORE THAT.

UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT.

THESE ARE THE, MY QUESTIONS.

I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING AND HOW THE, WHERE THE TIMING IS AND WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN.

FIRST PROCEEDED BY OTHER THINGS, I NOTICED THAT THERE IS A ASTERISK FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER, ASSUMING GRANT FUNDING AND THEN DEBT FINANCING.

I'M GONNA BE DRUMMING ON, YOU KNOW, BANGING THE DRUM ON DEBT FINANCING AS WE GO THROUGH THIS BUDGET.

I'M NOT LIKING ALL THIS DEBT FINANCING THAT WE'RE DOING.

IS THAT 2 MILLION THAT WE COULD, I MEAN WE COULD PAY FOR $2 MILLION, BUT IS THAT PART OF A BIGGER PROJECT? AND THIS IS JUST ONE ELEMENT OF IT.

I I NEED TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT, THAT, THAT PICTURE FOR ME TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ANY OF THIS.

SO IF YOU WEREN'T PLANNING ON DOING IT NEXT WEEK, COULD YOU DO IT OR DO WE NEED A WHOLE SEPARATE MEETING JUST ON THIS BEFORE WE APPROVE THE BUDGET? UM, I WAS GONNA SPEAK TO THE DEBT FINANCING.

HMM.

BUT IS IT COVERED IN THE SIM UPDATE NEXT WEEK OR NOT? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

SO LET'S WAIT,

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LET'S GET THERE IT IS.

BUT THE DEBT FINANCING QUESTION.

SO IF IT IS THAT'S TIMELY AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

SO SHERRY, SO, SO RIGHT FROM THE START, THE PLAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME, SOME DEBT FINANCING RELATED TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF TRANSIT.

UM, AND I AGREE, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THIS COULD BE ONE WHERE WE COULD LOOK AT, UM, UTILIZING THE 5 MILLION THAT WAS PUT INTO THE TRANSIT FUND FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS AND SAY THE DEBT FINANCING FOR SOME FUTURE POINT.

UM, BUT THERE AGAIN, THERE'S NO REAL LIKE, CONCRETE PLAN YET ON ANY OF THAT.

IT'S JUST, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR, FOR SINCE IT'S BEEN THERE.

, YOU KNOW, MONEY WAS CHEAP.

IT WAS ALMOST FREE.

SO THAT MADE SENSE TO ME A FEW YEARS AGO.

NOW MONEY IS NOT CHEAP.

SO I WANT US TO REALLY TALK ABOUT AS A COUNCIL, WHAT OUR POLICY IS ON DEBT FINANCING, HOW FAR WE WANNA GO, YOU KNOW, ON THIS.

I KNOW WE'RE NOT CLOSE TO OUR CAPACITY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE ELEMENT.

THE OTHER IS WHAT, WHAT DEBT WE'RE PILING UP FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AND WITH EXPENSIVE MONEY WHEN WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY SITTING IN THE BANK.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

YOU GOOD? I'M GOOD.

COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, WHAT, SO YOU MENTIONED, AND I HAVE OF COURSE ALREADY FORGOTTEN WHAT THAT 400,000 WAS, ACTUALLY FOUR, YOU SAID IT WAS A STUDY.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR ANALYSIS TO PRESENT TO ADOT ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC INTERSECTION.

SO PART OF THAT, I THINK, YEAH, MY FEELING IS WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ANYWAY.

UM, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION THOUGH, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF IMPORTANT, IS THAT THERE SEEMS, I'M HEARING SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE THIS FACILITY.

I MIGHT BE WRONG WHETHER WE ARE GOING AHEAD WITH THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY AT ALL.

UM, NO, THERE'S NO QUESTION.

SO GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THE, IS HE WAIT, WHAT? YEAH.

PPTO EIGHT IS THE ONE YOU WANNA SAY SAY, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

PTO EIGHT BECAUSE, UM, IT, IT'S NEEDED.

WE HAVE TO BEGIN TO BE ABLE TO GET THE DATA TO BEGIN TO HAVE REAL CONVERSATIONS WITH ADOT.

IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD THAT FACILITY, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT STUDY.

AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO PUT THAT TO LIKE, PUT THAT OFF.

IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T TIE US TO ANY PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION OR COST IN THE FUTURE.

MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I GO, DID YOU GO, THERE WAS A RESPONSE TO THAT.

OH, GO AHEAD.

AND I THINK BRIAN HAS A RESPONSE TO THAT AS WELL.

I DO TOO.

, RIGHT? , OKAY.

UM, I, I, BUT I THINK THAT I, I MEAN, YES, I, I STARTED BY SAYING PTO ONE AND PTO EIGHT ARE LINKED.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO UNLINK THEM, BUT I JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT PTO ONE IS FAR ENOUGH ALONG ALREADY TO BE DICTATING WHAT PT O EIGHT MIGHT END UP LOOKING LIKE OR NEED TO LOOK LIKE, WHICH IS WHY I AM SUGGESTING PT EIGHT GO INTO A, I KNOW THE NEXT YEAR.

BUT YEAH.

YOU KNOW, BUT YOU SPOKE AGAINST IT, SO I, I WAS RESPONDING TO YOU ON THAT.

I THINK BRIAN WAS NEXT OR, YES.

WELL, I THINK JESSICA WANTS TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU JUST SAID TO HER.

I JUST, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF, BUT WE TALKED THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS PREDICATED ON THERE BEING A BUILD OUT OF SOME LEVEL OF, OF FIXED ROUTE COMMITMENT IF THAT, AND THAT IS STILL IN THE WORKS.

SO THERE ARE CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THAT THAT I THINK CAN BE MADE.

NOW I DON'T THINK THAT THERE NEEDS MY FEELING, I MEAN YOU COULD TELL ME ROBERT, WHETHER I'M WRONG 'CAUSE I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF ANY OF THIS, THIS, THAT YOU CAN MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT WAITING FOR FURTHER DETAILS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.

BUT I LOOK TO YOU.

UH, IT IS A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG THAN YOU MAY THINK.

SO THIS FACILITY IS REFERENCED IN THE SEDONA AREA IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN KAREN, WAS AT 2020 BEFORE MY ARRIVAL, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

AND THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS THIS, THE PLANNING HORIZON IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS COULD GO OUT FOR 50 YEARS.

AND WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS SUPPORT THIS CITY AND IT'S, IT'S DEVELOPING EMERGING TRANSIT SYSTEM FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS AND BEYOND.

THIS IS A FEDERALIZED PROGRAM NOW.

IT'S BEEN A PART, WE'VE RECEIVED A $900,000 FEDERAL GRANT AND,

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UH, THEY'RE ABOUT READY TO MOVE INTO ENGINEERING AND DESIGN.

AND IN OUR TALKS WITH KURT AND HIS TEAM, IT MADE SENSE THAT THIS INTERSECTION, UH, STUDY, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVE CONCURRENTLY WITH THOSE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN EFFORTS.

AND I'LL JUST, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU.

YOU'RE RIGHT HERE.

YEAH, I'M RIGHT HERE.

SORRY, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, SO PART OF THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS WOULD INCLUDE UP TO DESIGN.

SO WE WOULD INITIATE IN THAT ALTERNATIVE, WHAT THAT PREFERRED STUDY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GONNA BUILD OUT AND WE WOULD START ON THE DESIGN AS WELL.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO PARALLEL BOTH THE INTERSECTION AND THE OPERATION AT THE SAME TIME.

SO AS ANDY REFERENCED, WE'RE NOT PULLING UP ONE OR THE OTHER.

AND A LOT OF THIS IS PART OF ADOT IF WE NEED TO BE ON THE PROACTIVE.

AND ADOT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN SCRUTINIZED, UH, BY FEDERAL HIGHWAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL ON MULTIMODAL SERVICES, WHICH IS TRANSIT.

SO THEY'RE GONNA BE, I I ANTICIPATE THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY EAGER 'CAUSE THEY NEED TO SHOW THE FEDERAL HIGHWAYS, ESPECIALLY IN RURAL AREAS.

WHAT ARE WE DOING TO DO MMS? SO I'M THINKING THIS WOULD BE A, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY THAT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN THE CITY AND HOW IT'S GOING TO INTER INTERCONNECT WITH THIS MAINTENANCE FACILITY.

AND AGAIN, IT TIES IN WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, WHICH IS WHAT ANDY REFERRED TO AS PART OF THE FLAT PROJECT AS WELL.

SO THERE'S MULTIPLE, UH, GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE GONNA LEVERAGE FROM THIS PROJECT.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D SAY ABOUT THIS FACILITY AND THE ASSOCIATED PROJECTS WITH IT IS TO CONSIDER IT A REGIONAL ASSET.

UM, CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO TRANSIT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY, UH, IN, IN THE VERDE VALLEY, RIGHT.

UM, WE HAVE COTTONWOOD AREA TRANSIT OUTSOURCING AS WE DO TO, UH, CAMP VERDE FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS.

UH, PAYING WELL OVER, UH, DOUBLE WHAT YOU WOULD PAY POTENTIALLY BRINGING THESE, THESE SERVICES IN HOUSE.

UM, YOU'VE GOT THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION.

THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO WHAT WE CALL HEAVY MAINTENANCE UNLESS THEY'RE SHIPPING IT AGAIN TO CAMP VERDE OR POINTS SOUTH.

SO PART OF THE CELL ON THIS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT IT COULD HELP SUPPORT THESE SMALLER TRANSIT SYSTEMS THAT SURROUND SEDONA.

UM, AND, AND WE THREW IN THERE THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS WHO WERE UP AGAINST THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE ARE WITH RESPECT TO THEIR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

THAT WAS THE SELL IN GETTING THIS PROJECT.

FEDERALIZED.

THANK YOU ROBERT.

ANDY, YEAH, IF I COULD MAYBE HELP THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT BACK TO THE POINT OF CAN THIS INTERSECTION PROJECT BE KICKED OUT A YEAR IF WE'RE COMPLETING THE M AND O FACILITY AND YOUR FY 28, THEN WOULD YOU GUYS NOT AGREE THAT IN THEORY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO START DESIGNING FY 26 AT LEAST? AND BACK TO ANOTHER PREVIOUS POINT, IF FOR ANY REASON PTO ONE GETS DELAYED BY A YEAR, WOULDN'T IT MAKE SENSE FOR PTO EIGHT TO FALL IN LINE PUSHING OUT YET ANOTHER YEAR? I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT'LL , BUT IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN BACK TO THE POINT OF THESE TWO PROJECTS BEING TIED TOGETHER, THEY SHOULD FALL IN A CERTAIN SEQUENCE WHILE THEY COULD BE DONE CONCURRENTLY.

UM, THE WAY WE'VE GOT IT SET UP IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS THAT PTO EIGHT IS ACTUALLY AHEAD OF PTO ONE AND IT APPEARS ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO EARLY.

IS THAT, DO WE ALL AGREE ON THAT? OKAY.

UH, BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR.

THAT'S THE POINT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE.

YES, DEFINITELY THAT COUNSELOR KINSELLA BROUGHT UP FIRST.

SO YES, LET'S PLEASE PUSH THIS A YEAR.

TO SEE IF WE EVEN QUALIFY FOR CERTAIN GRANTS.

ANY, ANY WHAT ELSE ADVICE, MAYOR? JUST THIS A QUESTION.

IT'S 400,000.

SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO ME FOR THIS STUDY.

I MEAN WE'VE DONE BIGGER, BIGGER STUDIES FOR LESS, NOT INFLATION, I GET IT.

BUT IS THIS A SOLE SOURCE? I MEAN WAS THAT NUMBER BASED ON A SOLE SOURCE OR COMPETITIVE? THESE ARE JUST ESTIMATES THAT WE CAME TOGETHER WITH MY TEAM AND IT'S, UH, WE ARE CONSERVATIVE 'CAUSE IT'S PART OF DESIGN.

IT'S NOT A STUDY.

A STUDY WOULD BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR 80.

THIS IS MUCH MORE THAN A STUDY.

IT'S A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS WITH LIKE 30% DESIGN OF THAT PREFERRED.

THAT WAY WE CAN LEVERAGE OF GOING AFTER GRANTS AND PART OF THAT MAY BE INCLUDING NEPA ANALYSIS.

WE NEED TO DO, UM, THAT WAY IN ADVANCE TO SEE IF WE HAVE ISSUES IN THE AREA

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SO A LOT OF THAT IS REALLY JUST DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN GO AFTER FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDING TO SUPPLEMENT THE, THE COST OF THIS.

SO I DON'T WANNA SEEM, I'M GOING BELOW THE HIGH LEVEL.

ARE YOU LOOKING AT AN INTERSECTION OR TRAFFIC CIRCLE? WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S PART OF THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS.

WE HAVE OUR ONLY PREFERENCES, BUT OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO, BECAUSE I'M HEARING THAT'S FINE.

THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

UM, OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? COUNSELOR DUNN.

SO I KNOW WE JUST FINALLY ALL AGREED OH, WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT OUT A YEAR.

SO DON'T CONFLATE MY QUESTION WITH WHATEVER I SAW A PICTURE.

WHAT I'M STARTING TO HEAR IS YOU'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT HAVING TO HAVE NEPA DONE, WHICH TAKES A YEAR OR TWO.

YOU'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE MORE THAN ONE PLACE? COULD YOU GO UNDER THE ROAD? COULD YOU, ARE YOU GONNA TAKE THE LEFT TURN? KIND OF LIKE WHERE YOU TAKE THE LEFT TURN TO GO INTO THE, UM, WETLANDS.

ARE YOU GONNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I'M SORT OF HEARING ALL OF THAT AS, UM, AS THE CONFLATION INSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR ASK ON THE, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, IT'S ALSO LIKE IF YOU NEED A NEPA YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT EARLY BECAUSE THAT NEPA COULD TAKE A YEAR OR TWO IN ORDER FOR YOU TO DO IT.

AM I FOLLOWING THIS CORRECTLY? THAT THAT MIGHT BE PART OF WHY YOU WANTED THIS TO START EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER? YES, CORRECT.

SO WE'RE GOING AFTER FEDERAL FUNDING.

SO IN THAT YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR NE CLEARANCES AND THEY DON'T USUALLY TAKE TWO YEARS OR SO ON.

IT ALL DEPENDS UPON THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT PROJECT.

SO THAT'S WHY THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS NEEDED ARE WE GONNA GO OUTSIDE A DOT RIDE AWAY AND ENCROACH ON FOR SERVICE.

BUT IF YOU ENCROACH ON FOREST SERVICE LAND, IT'S NOT JUST THE NEPA.

'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, IF YOU DO ANY DIGGING, THERE'S THE ARCHEOLOGICAL GUYS WHO HAVE TO COME INTO PLAY TO DETERMINE THAT THERE'S NO ARTIFACTS OR ANY OTHER THING OF HISTORIC VALUE SORT OF UNDERNEATH THE LAND, WHICH THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.

SO AT LEAST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO I, I'M JUST WAS WONDERING IF, IF THE REASON WHY YOU ASKED FOR THE MONEY EARLIER ISN'T BECAUSE OF THE, THE COORDINATION OR SEQUENCING, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON.

BUT RATHER THAT IT'S COULD BE VERY TIME CONSUMING IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THIS.

AND IF WE WAIT TOO LATE, THEN THAT MIGHT UH, END UP IMPACTING YOUR ABILITY TO GET SOME OF THESE FEDERAL GRANTS, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THE TRANSPORTATION CENTER HAS BEEN FEDERALIZED.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, RESPONSES TO THAT.

MAINLY HAVING, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED WITH FEDERAL PROJECTS, ALBEIT WITH TRANSIT, UH, BUILDING TRANSIT FACILITIES, 100% FEDERAL FUNDED.

AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, THAT TIMELINE IS REQUIRED.

UH, YOU WANT TO GET ALL OF YOUR FUNDING IN, YOU KNOW, LINED UP IN ADVANCE.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN PHASE, THAT FUNDING HAS BEEN, UM, HAS BEEN ALLOCATED, UH, BOTH THE FEDERAL SHARE AND THE LOCAL SHARE FOR THE FACILITY.

BUT THIS IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, LINKED TO, UM, TO THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY.

I, FOR THE REASONS YOU'VE MENTIONED NEPA THROUGH THE USDA, UH, ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES, ALL OF THAT, YOU WANT TO GET A JUMP ON THIS.

UM, IF YOU DON'T, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND THAT IS NOW READY FOR, TO OPERATIONALIZE, BUT WE STILL HAVEN'T DEALT WITH THE SAFETY PROBLEM.

SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS, AS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS.

SO VICE MAYOR, SO ARE YOU RECOMMENDING IT STAY WHERE IT IS? WE ARE, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE'RE ABOUT READY, NOT WE, BUT KURT'S TEAM, JOHN, JOHN, JOHN, YOU HERE, JOHN JOHN'S ABOUT READY TO GO OUT TO AN RFP FOR ENGINEERING AND DESIGN ON THE FACILITY.

UM, SO, UM, I, I COULD TELL YOU BASED ON MY REC, MY EXPERIENCE THAT YEAH, YOU DO WANT TO GET AN EARLY START.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD KEEP IT IN THE FY 25 BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE WELL INTO ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, UH, AS WE ENTER THAT FISCAL YEAR.

SO, SO, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IF I COULD.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO, YEAH, SURE.

AND HIT THE START OF THE NEPA AND THAT WHOLE PROCESS IN FY 26.

IF, IF WE'RE GONNA START THIS PROJECT ALSO WITH FEDERAL FUNDING, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE M AND O CENTER, I WOULD THINK WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THAT FUNDING LINED UP IN ORDER TO MAKE THE TIMING WORK FOR FY 25 TO EVEN START THAT STUDY THIS YEAR.

SO BASED ON THAT, THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER.

LET'S TAKE FY 25, LINE UP OUR FUNDING SOURCES AND OPPORTUNITIES

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DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WITH EVERYBODY? 'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT SEVERAL YEARS TO GET THROUGH THIS PT OH EIGHT DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND BUILD.

UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOES MAKE SENSE, UH, TO ME, ANDY, USING LOCAL FUNDS.

AND I GUESS WHERE, WHERE I HAVE, YOU KNOW, MY TRAINING IS, I'M, I'M ALWAYS ASSUMING, OR I'M GONNA BE LOOKING TO PUT FEDERAL FUNDS INTO THAT PROJECT, AND ONE FEDERAL DOLLAR WILL NOW PUT US INTO THE NEPA, THE, THE, THE WHOLE FEDERAL RIDE, WHICH IS GONNA, UH, EXTEND THE, THE DURATION OF YOUR PROJECT.

SO, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER, SHERRY, DID WE HAVE DID, OR KURT, DID YOU GUYS ASK FOR, OR DID YOU ASSUME ANY GRANT FUNDING IN THAT 400,000? OR IS THAT STRAIGHT OUT OF CITY COFFER? UM, WE ONLY PUT, THE GRANT FUNDING WOULD BE SOUGHT, BUT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY ACCOUNT FOR THAT FUNDING 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T CERTAIN.

SO IF WE GO AFTER GRANT FUNDING, THEN I SAY WE KEEP IT IN THERE, UH, FOR THAT FISCAL, FOR THE REASONS THAT WE JUST MENTIONED, EXCEPT THE TIMING.

RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THE 400,000 MM-HMM.

LINING THAT UP TIMING WISE IS PROBABLY GONNA PUSH US INTO FY 26 26 ANYWAY.

WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW IS WHERE THE FUNDING WAS COMING FROM.

I STILL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

JESSICA HAS TO GO FIRST, BUT I WOULD, CAN YOU GUYS SORT OF YEAH.

COME BACK, COME BACK TO US BECAUSE YOU BOTH HAD DIFFERENT IMPORTANT OPINIONS AND WE'RE JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH.

WHOEVER'S GONNA MAKE THE DECIDING FACTOR, WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE YEAH.

COME BACK TO US MAYBE AT THE SIM UH, MEETING NEXT WEEK WITH WHAT THAT OPINION IS.

JUST A SECOND.

WELL, IS THAT ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.

I JUST WANNA ADD TO THAT.

PLEASE.

AND THEN JESSICA WANTS TO GO SO ON ALONG WITH SETTLING THAT CONVERSATION, IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU REALLY WANT TO USE CITY MONEY FOR THE 400,000 AND WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE FEDERAL MONEY IS FOR THE 5 MILLION, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE MONEY FOR THE 5 MILLION, YOU'RE ALREADY INTO FISCAL YEAR NEXT, NOT INTO FISCAL YEAR THIS.

SO TO ME IT'S, SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE POTS OF MONEY HERE, AND WHICH ONE ARE YOU TRYING TO GET THE FEDERAL MONEY FOR? AND, AND I, I JUST THINK THAT HAS TO BE PART OF WHATEVER YOUR ANSWER IS.

SO, OKAY, JESSICA, AND THEN VICEMAN.

IT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE THING THAT NOBODY HERE IS AN EXPERT ON, AND EXPERTS ARE DISAGREED.

AND SO, UH, FROM MY TOTAL NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE? 'CAUSE ROBERT IS TALKING ABOUT, OF JUST PAYING, OF NOT GOING FOR GRANT FUNDING FOR THE 400,000 MOVING AHEAD NOW.

BUT THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU ARE SAYING YOU WOULD, IF YOU DID THAT, THEN WE WOULD BE AHEAD OF OURSELVES IF WE MOVED AHEAD NOW.

UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

BUT YOU TWO WILL WORK THAT OUT.

UM, BUT I THINK IF IT MAKES SENSE TO JUST, IF IT MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD NOW, WE SHOULD JUST GET THE 400,000 IF IT MAKES SENSE TO GET FUNDING.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

LET'S JUST LET THEM DO IT AND THEY'LL COME, MAYBE THEY CAN COME BACK AFTER LUNCH 'CAUSE IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO LUNCH AND LET US KNOW WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT IT.

I, I THINK NOT, I THINK MAYBE NEXT WEEK WHEN WE DO THE SIM OR ANOTHER APPROPRIATE TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A DECISION THAT, UH, OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD FINE.

I PLEASE, I WOULD LIKE ANNETTE TO WEIGH IN AS WELL.

LET THEM GO OVER WHAT THEY DO.

AND THEN COME BACK TO US SO THEY'RE NOT RUSHED SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON THEN.

COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAS TO WEIGH IN QUESTION TO, TO YOU.

UM, MAYOR.

SO HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT OUR THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN, LIKE TOMORROW? WELL, IF WE CAN DO IT TOMORROW, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T WANNA RUSH THEM.

BUT YOU, TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

'CAUSE THE SIM, THEY NEED THAT INFORMATION.

SIM'S GONNA BE NEXT WEEK.

SO DO YOU THINK ANDY, UH, AND KURT, THAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH THIS IDEA BY TOMORROW? A A DEFINITIVE ANSWER? YEAH.

YEAH, WE CAN.

YES SIR.

I, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT YOU WILL, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU.

SO WE'LL HAVE THAT ANSWER INFORMATION FOR TOMORROW.

AND JUST, SO FOR US HERE, I'M FIGURING, UH, LUNCH WOULD BE 1130, QUARTER TWO, DEPENDING ON HOW, WHERE WE WANNA GO.

IF YOU WANT TO, AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE WITH TRANSPORTATION OR TRANSIT, WE CAN JUST DO IT AT, AT THAT COMPLETION.

UH, SO THIS IS A SLIGHTLY, IT'S, THIS IS NUANCED OF WHAT

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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WHEN YOU DO THE STUDY, ARE YOU GOING THINKING ABOUT WHERE THE LOCATION IS AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THAT THE DELLS IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, ANY, UH, RESIDUAL DELLS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, NEEDING AN INTERSECTION? IS THAT GONNA FACTOR IN AT ALL? OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE TWO INTERSECTIONS SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE? OR, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS GLOBALLY.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

NOT UNTIL THIS POINT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT.

WE WERE SOLELY FOCUSED ON GETTING THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE AND THEN PART OF THAT IS ON THIS ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS OF WHAT THAT FOOTPRINT IS.

SO WHEN YOU KNOW THE FOOTPRINT, THEN YOU, THAT'S WHERE YOU START DOING YOUR NEPA STUDY TO SHOW, UH, WHERE YOU'RE DOING YOUR ASSESSMENT OF BIOLOGICAL ARCHEOLOGICAL.

I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

'CAUSE IT WAS ON MY MIND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO YOU'LL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR US FOR TOMORROW? YEAH.

AND, UM, WHAT'S UP NEXT? CHERRY, UM, SUSTAINABILITY? NEXT IS SUSTAINABILITY.

BRYCE IS HERE.

DO AND SUSTAINABILITY WOULD PROBABLY BE A SHORT, LET'S DO IT.

CAN I HEAR WHAT SHERRY'S SAYING WITHOUT THE SIDE CONVERSATION? COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? THE TIMEFRAME FOR SUSTAINABILITY IS WHAT? UM, SO SUSTAINABILITY CONVERSATION MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER THAN THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD.

IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO SUSTAINABILITY.

I WOULD LIKE, THEN WHEN THAT CONCLUDES, WE WILL THEN HAVE LUNCH.

SO BRYCE IS, WHERE IS HE? OH, THERE HE IS.

YOU HAVE THE LECTER IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF YOU FOR ME.

OKAY, SO AS BRYCE IS COMING UP, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH, UM, WITH THE SLIDES.

SO WITH SUSTAINABILITY, THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 24 DIRECT COSTS, UM, WAS ABOUT 851,000 GOING DOWN, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 TO ABOUT 756,000.

THE BIGGEST REASON FOR THE DECREASE IS RELATED TO ONE-TIME COSTS.

UM, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ITEM IN THERE AS FAR AS AN INCREASE WOULD BE, UM, ABOUT 24,000 FOR AN INCREASE TO THE MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, UH, IMPLEMENTATION.

UM, IN THE ONE-TIME COST, THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE.

IT'S JUST, UM, SUSTAINABILITY IS OUT AT THE SYCAMORE BUILDING.

SO THEY GET AN ALLOCATION OF PART OF THAT LEASE PAYMENT.

SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON SUSTAINABILITY OPERATING BUDGET BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO MAYOR, I'M SORRY, PETE, GO AHEAD.

THANKS MAYOR.

UH, SHERRY AND I DID HAVE THAT CIRCLED IN MY BOOK ABOUT THAT REDUCTION IN ONE TIME COST.

YOU NOTED IT, BUT WHAT WAS THAT ADD? SO THE, UM, COMPONENTS THAT WERE IN THE ONE TIME COSTS, UH, FOR, UH, LAST YEAR WERE ESSENTIALLY THAT WE HAD INITIAL THE CIP PROJECT THAT WAS, UM, THE POSSE GROUNDS LIGHTING, UH, INSULATION THAT ENDED UP COMING IN UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THEN GOT MOVED TO A ONE TIME.

AND THEN WITH THAT ONE TIME NOT BEING NEEDED ANYMORE, THEN IT GETS DROPPED OFF.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND THEN ON, UH, YOUR BOOK SUSTAINABILITY THREE PAGE, I'M LOOKING AT THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MY HEAD IS RIGHT AROUND THIS ESTIMATED ANNUAL EMISSIONS REDUCED BY THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT HOUSEHOLDS.

SO IT WAS 2040 METRIC TONS WAS THE TARGET THAT DECREASED TO 37 METRIC TONS.

IS THAT NEW TONS? SO THAT IS, UH, THAT IS METRIC TONS PER HOUSE OR FOR THE, UH, COHORT HOUSEHOLD FOR THAT ROUND, UH, PER YEAR.

SO FOR, YEAH, SO IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT AN AGGREGATE OF ALL OF, FOR THAT COHORT OF PEOPLE THAT END UP IN THE PROGRAM.

THOSE WERE MY TWO QUESTIONS, I THINK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, THIS PORTION? NO, BRIAN, IS THAT YES, NO, YES IT IS.

MAYOR.

UH, BRYCE ON, UH, SUSTAIN THREE PAGE ON THE, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS FROM UNI OPERATIONS.

UM, THE BENCHMARK OF 29 57 IN CALENDAR YEAR 18.

IS THAT THE BENCHMARK AGAINST WHICH WE'RE GOING FOR THE 50% REDUCTION? UH, SO THAT IS THE BENCHMARK FOR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS.

THE BENCHMARK FOR COMMUNITY, UH, UH, COMMUNITY WIDE OPERATIONS IS LIKE 168,700 SOMETHING, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

UHHUH.

SO ARE WE ON TARGET? SO WE'RE, UH, THE INITIAL THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT, I'M GOING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY INVENTORY.

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UH, RIGHT NOW.

UM, OUR ELECTRICITY EMISSIONS ARE DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

UH, OUR WASTEWATER, UM, SIDE OF EMISSIONS ARE DOWN AS WELL AS WATER DELIVERY.

UM, IT'S A, IT IS BEEN A, LIKE A SLOW, UM, SLOW DECLINE WITHIN THAT.

BUT I'M STILL WAITING FOR VMT DATA, UH, TO PROCESS, UH, WITH ADOT AND THE LIKE.

SO, UM, THAT'S, I I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE NUMBER YET FOR 2023.

THERE'S, UH, SOME SPOTS WHERE WE'VE HAD PROGRESS, BUT THEN THERE'S SOME OUTLYING, UH, DATA THAT I'M STILL WAITING ON TO, TO BE ABLE TO COMPILE.

AND I'M HOPING TO HAVE, UH, THE COMMUNITY AND THE MUNICIPAL INVENTORIES, UH, DONE BY EARLY MAY.

AND THE TARGET FOR THIS YEAR WAS 1400, BUT, AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR FURMAN THAT THESE CA THE COLUMNS ARE CONFUSING.

UH, SO THE TARGET WAS 1400 FOR THE CITY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE ESTIMATED AT 1950, LIKE WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S CAUSING THAT BIG GAP? SO THAT 1950, UM, IS, IS MOST LIKELY GONNA GO DOWN.

THE ASPECT OF, UH, THE INITIAL 1950 WAS BASED OFF OF AN ASSUMPTION ON WHERE THE EMISSION FACTORS WERE AT WITH, UH, THE ARIZONA NEW MEXICO EG GRID, UH, COMPONENTS TO IT.

UH, BUT THEN, UH, FACTORING IN OUR GREEN POWER PARTNER AGREEMENT, UH, THAT WILL MOST LIKELY DROP THAT ONE, UH, BY ABOUT ANOTHER 800 OR SO.

BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, SEEING AN INCREASE BASED OFF OF PUBLIC TRANSIT TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES.

SO, UH, FOR OUR DIRECT FLEET, THERE'LL BE AN INCREASE, BUT THEN, UH, COMMUNITY WIDE, THEN IT'S AN EMISSIONS AVOIDED AGAINST THE COMMUNITY WIDE COMPONENTS.

SO, UH, I THINK IT'S BALANCING OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DO THINK THAT 1950 WILL COME DOWN ONCE I GET, UM, THE FINALIZED NUMBERS IN.

YOU JUST THREW AROUND A MILLION DIFFERENT POTENTIALS.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE? UH, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE SITTING AROUND, UH, ABOUT 1200 RANGE, UH, WHEN, UH, WHEN WE'RE ALL SAID AND DONE WITH THAT FOR MUNICIPAL SIDE OF THINGS.

HMM.

AND WHAT, WHAT PORTION OF AN FTE IS CURRENTLY BEING SPENT? JUST COUNTING CARBON? UM, I'D SAY PROBABLY ABOUT A QUARTER OF, UH, OF A POSITION RIGHT NOW.

SO, UM, WE'RE UTILIZING FOR INTERNAL OPERATIONS, WE'RE UTILIZING THE, OUR WATCH WIRE, UM, UH, UTILITY PLATFORM TRACKING, WHICH HAS MADE THE, UH, AGGREGATION AND THE ANALYSIS OF THE, THE UTILITY DATA MUCH, MUCH EASIER.

UH, BUT WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT ABOUT QUARTER, UH, FTE ON IT.

WE'RE, UH, UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, ZACH IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH, UM, GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, CERTIFIED GREENHOUSE GAS ACCOUNTING TRAINING, UH, THAT WILL, UM, ALSO BOLSTER THOSE EFFORTS, UH, FUTURE AND HELP STREAMLINE PROCESSES IN REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE SPEND ON JUST SCORE KEEPING.

MAYOR.

I THINK IT WAS JESSICA AND THEN COUNCILOR FURMAN, DID YOU ALSO NO, I, OKAY.

JUST JESSICA.

THAT, IF ELECTRIFICATION ISN'T WORKING FOR THOSE VEHICLES, THEN YOU DO PLUGIN, HYBRID OR PLUGIN.

YEAH, THIS ENERGY STAR SCORE, THERE'S NO BENCHMARK AND YOU CAME UP WITH 75 OR BETTER, BUT IT'S 50% FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

SO IS IT GONNA STAY AT 50% REALISTICALLY? SO I THINK HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT? SO THE, THE BEN, SO THE BENCHMARK, UH, SCORE IS, I MEAN, IT IS A, UH, RELATIVELY ARBITRARY COMPONENT TO IT.

IT'S JUST WE'RE COMPARING IT AGAINST, UH, ALL BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN LIKE THE ENG ENERGY STAR DATABASE TO SEE HOW WELL WE ARE PERFORMING AGAINST IT.

UM, THE REASON WHY IT'S LIKE GREAT, UH, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL BENCHMARK IN IT.

THE GOAL, UH, TARGET THERE IS FY UH, 24, 25, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET THE BENCHMARKING DONE, UH, THIS YEAR.

UH, THAT WOULD BE, IT'S ALSO A, A FUNCTION WITHIN WATCH WIRE TO HELP AUTOMATE THAT PROCESS.

SO IT SHOULDN'T ADD A, A HUGE EXTRA LIFT FOR US TO GO THROUGH THAT BENCHMARKING ITSELF.

SO THE 50 50 IS JUST, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE REFINED IN ORDER TO MEAN ANYTHING.

ALRIGHT, BRYCE, I, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS QUICK, HIGH LEVEL REAL QUICK, ABRIDGED ANSWER.

THE ASSISTANCE BUDGET COMMITTEE DISCUSSED, UH, UH, ELECTRONIC VEHICLES VERSUS, UH, HYBRIDS FOR VERY CRITICAL TRUCKS AND POLICE.

AND IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT, IF NOT NOW, IF WHEN EMAIL TO COUNSEL, UH, TO ME THAT WAS VERY COMPELLING.

SOMETHING I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR A WHILE BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION, THE HEAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE WITH THAT, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO ON LONG-WINDED, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN CONTACT US BY EMAIL OR THROUGH ANNETTE AND GIVE US A REPORT, BECAUSE THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST COMPELLING ITEM FROM ASSISTANCE BUDGET, UH, COMMITTEE I'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME ON THAT TOPIC.

SO I'M SURE YOU HEARD, UH, WHAT WAS SAID BY THE COMMITTEE.

YEAH, I'D SAY JUST, UH, FROM A HIGH LEVEL PERSPECTIVE, THE, THE BEST ASPECT OF REDUCING CARBON EMISSIONS FROM VEHICLES IS ELECTRIFICATION.

THE, THE NEXT STEP FOR

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PLUGIN, HYBRIDS AND THEN HYBRIDS, AND THEN GAS POWERED VEHICLES.

SO WITH THE, UH, ELEVATION CHANGES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN, UM, THE, THE CITY AND, AND MILDLY COLD, UH, WINTERS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND WHATNOT, UH, FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF OPERATIONS THAT WE'D HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, UH, IN MY MIND WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, MAKE THAT BE ABLE TO SATISFY THE NEEDS OF THE, THE VEHICLES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS FOR IT, UM, FOR VARIOUS ASPECTS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH WITH THE DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP AND THE, LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPONENTS OF, FOR, UM, SAY FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS OR WASTEWATER FACILITIES AND WHATNOT, TO HAVING FAST CHARGING STATIONS THAT ARE LOCATED IN LOCATIONS THAT THEY WOULD, UH, BE, THAT WOULD BE NEEDED OR UTILIZED FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM UP IN SERVICE, UH, QUICKER THAN VEHICLES THAT ARE ON, THAT ARE PARKED FOR THREE DAYS OVER THE WEEKEND THAT ARE CHARGING AND ARE NOT LIKE EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THE LIKE, BUT FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE, ELECTRIFICATION WOULD BE APPLICABLE.

AND THAT WASN'T THE DISCUSSION.

PRIMARILY IT WAS THE LONGEVITY OF THE BATTERY THAT THEY, THEIR LIFESPAN REALLY IS HALF, HALF WHAT IT NORMALLY SHOULD BE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DEBATE IT NOW, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, NOT SO MUCH THE HYBRID, BUT THE FULLY ELECTRIC BECAUSE OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

AND YOU CAN'T COUNT ON IT ALWAYS.

SO, LIKE I SAID, THROUGH AN EMAIL OR WE CAN MEET PRIVATELY WITH YOU, HOWEVER, HOWEVER YOU FEEL IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WITH SNOW SNOWPLOWS AND, UH, POLICE RES RESPONSE VEHICLES, PATROL VEHICLES, NOT TOO MUCH THE NON PATROL VEHICLES, BUT THE PATROL VEHICLES THAT THEY HAVE TO BE AT THE EVER READY.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ANOTHER TIME.

ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD? UH, ANDY HAS SOMETHING, ANDY, I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE THE QUARTERLY SUSTAINABILITY COUNCIL UPDATE COMING UP.

IF YOU COULD, IF IT COULD BE DISCUSSED, THEN THAT WOULD BE FINE TOO.

I KNOW BRYCE HAS DONE QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH ALREADY ON THIS TOPIC, AND SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME MIS UH, MISINFORMATION OUT THERE TOO THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.

SO.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS MISINFORMATION IS NOT, I MEAN, THAT INFORMATION CAME WELL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE DO THIS SAME UPDATE.

I, I APPRECIATE IT.

WE ARE GOING TO, UH, THERE NOT ANY MORE INFORMATION.

WE'LL BREAK FOR LUNCH.

ARE WE IN AGREEMENT? NO.

OH, WE STILL HAVE THE, I'M SORRY.

CIP FOR YOU AND THEN, THEN WE'LL BREAK FOR LUNCH.

YOU HUNGRY? SO I'M ON THE CIP PROJECTS.

UM, SO WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS, UM, RICE USUALLY INITIATES THE PROJECTS.

SOME OF THEM END UP BEING PROJECTS OF SUSTAINABILITY MANAGERS.

SOME OF THEM, ONCE THEY GET TO A CERTAIN POINT, WE SWITCH THEM INTO PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET BECAUSE PUBLIC WORKS AND FACILITIES ACTUALLY MANAGES THOSE PROJECTS.

SO THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SHOWING UP IN SUSTAINABILITY RIGHT NOW.

UM, THE CARRYOVER PROJECT FOR THE STREET LIGHTS, LED, UM, AND THEN FUTURE PROJECTS FOR THE, UM, DC FAST EV CHARGERS AND THE SUS OH 9 0 9 PROJECT.

SO THE DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING PLAN IS IN PROCESS, AND THIS IS PUTTING PLACEHOLDERS IN, UM, FOR, UM, PROJECTS.

AND I THINK BRYCE HAS SOME THINGS HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT RELATED TO, UH, TO WHERE THAT'S AT WITH THAT PLAN.

SO WITH THE DECARBONIZATION, UH, ROAD MAPPING EFFORT, UH, WE'RE WORKING, UH, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN WITH OUR CONSULTANTS MCKINTRY, TO BE ABLE TO, TO MAP OUT HOW WE'D GET TO OUR 2030, UH, TARGET GOALS FOR THE MUNICIPALITY, UH, COMPONENTS TO IT.

WE'VE, UH, TASKED MCKINSTRY WITH HELPING DEVISE WHAT SOME OF THE INITIAL PHASE ONE KIND OF PROJECTS, UH, WOULD BE FOR IT.

UH, AND FROM THAT, UM, WE HAVE KIND OF, THEY JUST CAME IN LATE LAST WEEK AND IN EARLY THIS WEEK ON SOME, UM, SUGGESTED ADJUSTMENTS TO WHAT WE HAVE INTO THOSE, INTO THOSE, UH, RESPECTIVE PROJECT BUCKETS.

SO, UH, WHAT MCKINTRY IS, UH, ADVISING US TO, UM, TO KIND OF PURSUE FOR THE PHASE ONE FOR FY 25, I WOULD BE, UM, AS MENTIONED, THE STREETLIGHT LED CONVERSION, WHICH, UH, WOULD BE THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE WE'RE CURRENT CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE, UH, PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THE, THE LIGHTS THEMSELVES.

THIS FISCAL YEAR IS JUST TO INSTALL, UH, WAS SHIFTED ON US, UH, A LITTLE BIT WITH TIMELINES.

AND THEN IN PARTICULAR WITH THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS OH NINE PROJECT THAT IS CURRENTLY LISTED AS A SOLAR AND PV STORAGE FOR CITY HALL AND CONTRACTORS ROAD.

UH, THEY'RE ADVISING THAT, UM, WE SHIFT THE, THE REPURPOSE, THE FUNDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOCATED INTO THAT TO, UH, BUILDING AND OPTIMIZATION CONTROLS.

UH, THAT WOULD INCLUDE LIKE, UH, ADDITIONAL NETWORK THERMOSTATS, LIGHTING CONTROLS, OCCUPANCY SENSORS, UH, AND THE LIKE ACROSS THE, THE BUILDINGS.

AND THEN SHIFTING, UM, SOLAR DESIGN IMPLEMENTATION AND LIKE TO FY 26 TO BUY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR ONE, THE DESIGN, UH, PROCESS OF IT, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL IDENTIFICATION OF FUNDING SOURCES

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FOR IT.

UM, SO RECENTLY WE SUBMITTED A CLIMATE POLLUTION AND REDUCTION GRANT, UM, APPLICATION IN PARTICULAR FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE, UH, CHARGERS AND PROCUREMENT, UM, UH, PROCUREMENT OF THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES.

BUT, UH, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO EXPLORE FOR LIKE CHARGING AND FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS THAT MIGHT BE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TIE IN AS IF WE BUILD A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, ROOM INTO MOVING SOME OF THE SOLAR PROJECTS, UH, AND EV INFRASTRUCTURE PIECES TO FY 26, UH, WITH THEIR, UH, ADVICE.

THEY'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE PULL IN, UH, ANOTHER A HUNDRED, ABOUT 150,000 OR SO INTO FY 25 FOR THE, UH, DETAILED DESIGN SCOPING, UH, OF THOSE FY 26 PROJECTS THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, SOLAR AND EV, UM, SOLAR AND EV INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENTS AND THE LIKE, BRYCE, MAYOR, FIRST BRYCE, I, I NOTICED, AND THEN THIS IS, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE HAVE DC FAST CHARGERS IN 27 AND WE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF FEDERAL FUNDING RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT TOO LATE TO RECEIVE THE FEDERAL FUNDING? SHOULD WE PUSH THIS UP ASSUMING WE COULD GET FEDERAL FUNDING? AND IF NOT, YOU KNOW, THEN WE PUSH IT BACK POTENTIALLY.

BUT WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR VIEW ABOUT THAT? SO THE, UM, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL THAT WE CAN MOVE IT UP.

I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY WAITING ON MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF OUR DUCKS IN THE ROW WITH THE FINALIZATION OF THE ROADMAP, BECAUSE MCKINSTRY IS CURRENTLY, UH, ANALYZING THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS FOR IT.

SO, MM-HMM, , UH, THE DC CHARGERS THEMSELVES ARE A CERTAIN COST, BUT, UM, A PS, UH, MAY, WE MIGHT NEED AN ELECTRICAL UPGRADE AT THE FACILITIES THEMSELVES.

UH, AND SO I'M HESITANT TO MOVE THAT ONE UP WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE, THE FULL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WOULD BE FOR DC FAST IN PARTICULAR.

UM, WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'D KIND OF BE LOOKING AT FY 26 WITH MCKINSEY WOULD BE MORE, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF THE LEVEL TWO, UH, A LITTLE BIT SLOWER CHARGERS, BUT MORE DEDICATED TO SPECIFIC FLEET WITH THE IDEA THAT FOR THE VEHICLES THAT ARE MORE, UH, CHALLENGING FOR US TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION WITH POLICE VEHICLES OR SNOW PLOWS AND THE LIKE, THAT WE TIMED THE TRANSITION OF THOSE VEHICLES WITH DC FAST CHARGERS COMING ON ROUGHLY AROUND THE SAME TIME SO THAT THEY HAVE THOSE, UH, THOSE TWO COMPONENTS NEEDED FOR SUCCESSFUL OPERATION TO IT.

SO, UH, TO SAY THAT WE COULD MOVE 'EM UP, I'M JUST HESITANT TO, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION NOW TO GIVE A REAL AFFIRMATIVE ON THAT ONE.

'CAUSE I WOULDN'T WANNA MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET FUNDING.

BUT ALSO, WHAT ABOUT FOR THE PUBLIC? BECAUSE I WAS TALKING TO, UH, THE MARRIOTT FOLKS RECENTLY, AND THEY WERE TELLING ME THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WERE NOT STAYING AT THEIR HOTELS OR USING THEIR CHARGERS BECAUSE IT SHOWS UP ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A MAP AS, AS A CHARGING STATION.

AND THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T, SO THE CAPACITY FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR GUESTS IS BEING LIMITED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST GOING THERE AND, AND CHARGING.

SO FOR MUNICIPAL FACING PROPERTIES, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, IF WE'RE, UH, COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY FACING CHARGES THAT ARE ON MUNICIPAL PROPERTY, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A, A PRETTY GOOD SPOT AT THE MOMENT WITH THOSE ONES BETWEEN THE ONES HERE AT CITY HALL, SUNSET PARK, POSSE, GROUNDS PARK, AND UPTOWN.

AND THEN, UH, IF THE, THE, THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, MOVES FORWARD AS WELL, THEN THERE'S, UM, I THINK ELECTRIFY AMERICA IS CURRENTLY ANTICIPATING 10, UH, DC FAST CHARGERS THAT WOULD GO IN THERE.

SO ON COMMUNITY FACING PROPERTIES, I FEEL LIKE, UH, WE'D HAVE A REALLY GOOD BASE FOR COVERAGE FOR THAT.

UM, HOW THAT INTERACTS WITH, UH, THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES REGULATING WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

I DON'T HAVE A, A REALLY GOOD ANSWER ON DIRECTION ON, ON HOW THEY CAN NAVIGATE THAT COMPONENT, BUT, 'CAUSE IT DOES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.

YOU, YOU BRING UP THE APP AND IT'S LIKE A CHARGES HERE, AND SO THEY'RE GONNA GO TRY TO THOSE LOCATIONS.

AND SCOPING FOR THE FY UH, 26 PROJECTS, 25, 26, THE, UH, THE, THE SUSTAINABILITY OH FIVE STREETLIGHTS THAT WOULD STAY THE SAME.

THANK YOU COUNCILOR.

FR THANK YOU MAYOR BRYCE, I'M CONFUSED.

YOU JUST FINISHED TALKING ABOUT WHAT MCKINSTRY IS TELLING YOU NOW, AND THAT DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH THIS SLIDE.

YOU JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN A HUNDRED K IN FY 25.

SO WHEN, WHEN DO WE GET TRUED UP NUMBERS OF WHAT IT IS YOU'RE ASKING FOR? SO THE, THE NUMBERS THAT CAME IN FROM MCKINTRY, LIKE LITERALLY CAME IN YESTERDAY, UM, FOR THE POTENTIAL FY, UH, 25 PROJECTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE, THE DELAY THAT DOESN'T MATCH UP HERE ON THAT, ON THIS SLIDE.

SO WE'RE, UH, I WAS TRYING TO UPDATE AS, AS QUICK AS I CAN WITH WHERE WE ARE AT WITH MCKINTRY.

SO THE, THE FULL ROADMAP ITSELF THAT WOULD GO BEYOND THIS F THIS NEXT FY 20, OR FY 25 TO FY 30, UH, SHOULD BE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT MID MAY TIMEFRAME FOR THE ROADMAP TO WRAP UP.

SO WHAT'S THE ASK FOR THIS YEAR FOR FY 25? THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

SO THE, I'M CONFUSED.

I JUST WANT GIMME THE NUMBER AGAIN.

SO THE, THE NEW ASK WOULD BE A, A, A ADDITIONAL 150,000 TO BE PULLED IN FOR THE DESIGN

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AND THEN THE, UM, THE PUBLIC WORKS OH NINE, UM, PROJECT WE WOULD BE, UH, MCKINTRY IS ADVISING THAT WE WOULD REPURPOSE THOSE FOR, UH, OPTIMIZATION CONTROL SYSTEMS FOR OUR HVAC UNITS.

SO THE, IT'D BE A NEW, UH, ADDITIONAL ASSET OF 150,000 IN FY 25 FOR THE DESIGNING AND, UM, PROJECT SCOPING FOR THE FY 26 PROJECTS.

BUT THE DESIGN AND SCOPING WHAT, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT DELIVERABLE? HERE'S WHERE TO GO PUT SOME NEW CONTROLS IN BUILDINGS SO THAT THAT DESIGN AND SCOPING WOULD BE COVERING SOLAR INSTALLATIONS, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE WHAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED TO MAKE, MAKE THOSE THINGS WORK AND THEN ALLOW US TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL FINANCING SOURCES FOR IT.

THE, THE BUILDING AND HVAC SYSTEM COMPONENTS WOULD BE IN FY 25 AND HANDLED WITHIN FY 25 THAT, UH, $150,000 NEW AS WOULD BE FOR THAT COMPONENTS THAT WOULD BE BUILDING LARGER SCALE PROJECTS AND FY 26 AND BEYOND.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO PAY CONSULTANTS TO DO THAT FOR US.

WHY ISN'T, I MEAN, THIS WAS MY SAME ARGUMENT ABOUT HIRING MCKINSTRY IS LIKE, WHY DO WE HAVE TO HI, SUB THIS OUT, WHY CAN'T WE JUST DO THIS IN-HOUSE? AND WE, I THINK THE ASPECT OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN-HOUSE IS IF, IF STAFF IS, IS AT A, A SPOT WHERE THEY'RE AT CAPACITY WITH PROJECTS, THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO OFFSET IT WITH, WITH EXTERNAL SOURCES THAT ARE WE HAVE BEEN PARTNERING WITH ON IT.

UM, SO IF, UM, AS PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING THROUGH A NUMBER OF THEIR, THEIR SIM PROJECTS AND THE, LIKE, IT COULD BE TASKING 'EM WITH AN ADDITIONAL THING TO IT WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A PARTNER THAT IS HELPING US THROUGH THIS ROADMAP, THAT WOULD GET US ANOTHER STEP FURTHER.

COULD, COULD I MAYBE HELP CLARIFY AS WELL, ANDY, JUMP IN.

SO MCKINSTRY BRINGS EXPERIENCE WITH MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND HAVING GONE THROUGH MANY OTHER DE DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING EFFORTS ALREADY, THEY'RE BRINGING IDEAS TO THE CITY THAT WE, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE RESEARCHED CERTAIN THINGS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO VERY TECH TECHNICALLY AWARE OF HOW TO GET THE MOST BANK FOR OUR BUCK WITH REGARD TO DECARBONIZATION BEYOND WHAT THE, THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR STAFF IS.

SO THEY, THEY BRING VALUE.

UM, I'VE DEFINITELY SEEN IT ALREADY WITH THE, THE MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH MC MCKINTRY AND, AND THE IDEAS THAT THEY'RE BRINGING FORWARD.

AND THOSE ARE RANGING ABOUT 300 OR SO METRIC TONS OR $300 PER METRIC TON.

I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE THE PLANET WITH THIS WHOLE DECARBONIZATION THING, BUT IS THERE SOME ROI ALONG THE WAY AND ARE WE GONNA SEE THAT WITH THESE PROJECTS? SO FOR, UM, FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS, ONE SECOND, SEE IF I GET MY SCREEN TO COME UP HERE.

UM, SO FOR THE STREETLIGHT RE UH, LED CONVERSION COMPONENT, THEY HAD SOME INITIAL OPERATIONAL SAVINGS, UH, THAT THEY DID ESTIMATES FOR THAT IT WAS A SA OPERATIONAL SAVINGS OF ABOUT 200,000 OVER A 15 YEAR CYCLE.

THE OPTIMIZATION BUILDING CONTROL SYSTEMS, UH, THEIR ESTIMATING GAVE US INITIAL ESTIMATE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, IN SAVINGS, UH, ON THOSE ONES AS WELL.

UH, OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME, UH, FOR THAT ONE, THAT WAS OVER A 10 YEAR, 10 YEAR PERIOD.

UM, SO, UH, A NUMBER OF THESE, UH, COMPONENTS, UM, ARE LIKE ELECTRIC VEHICLE TRANSITION IS GONNA BE JUST ABOUT COST NEUTRAL, UM, FROM THE, FROM OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT OVER ABOUT A 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME AND THE LIKE.

SO SOME OF 'EM ARE GONNA HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ROI, OTHER ONES, UH, WILL NOT.

UM, AND SO IT'S JUST BALANCING WHAT THOSE EFFORTS ARE AS WE'RE TRYING TO REACH THOSE GOALS, BUT OKAY.

BRYCE, WOULDN'T WE WANNA ALSO CLARIFY THAT PART OF THE, ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF ROI IS WHAT WE'RE SAVING ON FUNDS THAT WE'RE ALREADY EXPENDING THROUGH OUR OPERATING BUDGET, BUT THE OTHER R OI IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN RETURN FOR DECARBONIZATION.

SO SOME OF IT'S NOT STRICTLY JUST FINANCIAL, BUT ALSO THE BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL FOR THE CAP, BASICALLY.

YEAH, BECAUSE AND OKAY.

IF I, IF I COULD EXPAND ONE QUICK, QUICK, QUICK ON ANDY'S, UH, POINT THERE THAT, UM, THE, THE FURTHER WE GO ALONG WITH, UM, WITH THE COMPONENT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE MEASURES THAT ARE TACKLING SOME OF THOSE CARBON METRICS, UH, THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO TACKLE THE NATURAL GAS CONVERSIONS OF FLEET CONVERSIONS.

IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT TRANSITION PHASE, IN ORDER TO STILL MEET THAT CARBON NEUTRAL GOAL, OR TO STILL MEET THAT 50% REDUCTION GOALS AS A COMMUNITY, UH, WE'D HAVE TO START LOOKING AT EITHER CARBON OFFSETS OR DIRECT AIR CAPTURE COMPONENTS.

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AND SO IT'S LOOKING ANYWHERE FROM 150 TO $300,000 OR WHATNOT, UH, PER YEAR.

IF WE DON'T ACTUALLY SUBMIT OR ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN TO TRANSITION THOSE COMPONENTS TO IT, IF YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO GET THE, THE MECHANISM TO MEET THOSE GOALS, THAT WAS REALLY WAY UP THERE, .

THAT, THAT'S LIKE MIND BLOWING.

LIKE NOBODY'S GOT A GUN TO OUR HEAD, RIGHT? LIKE, IF WE DON'T MEET THE NUMBER, WE DIDN'T MEET THE NUMBER, BUT TO GO SPEND $300,000 PER METRIC TON.

SO WE FEEL BETTER AT THAT POINT.

LIKE, OH MY GOSH, SERIOUSLY, WE'LL MOVE ON.

BUT I, I GET IT.

UH, PETE, AND THEN I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND I HAVE ONE.

YEAH, GO AHEAD PETE.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON YOUR BC FAST CHARGER PROJECTS, WHICH IS SUS OH SIX, WHICH I'M TRYING MY BEST NOT TO CALL SUSS PROJECTS.

SUS HEARING MY GRANDSON'S CONVERSATION ABOUT SUSS , UH, THIS PROJECT, JUST REAL QUICKLY, BRYCE, IS THIS MUNICIPAL ONLY OPERATION, OR DOES THAT HAVE A PUBLIC FACING ELEMENT TO IT? SO IT WOULD BE PREDOMINANTLY MUNICIPAL FACING, UH, TO TACKLE THOSE, UH, THOSE AREAS FOR POLICE VEHICLES AND WASTEWATER FOR THOSE NEEDED COMPONENTS.

UH, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE FUNDS FROM THE CHARGING AND FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ACT COMPONENT, UH, THERE ARE STIPULATIONS WITHIN THAT FUNDING THAT REQUIRE, UM, MUNICIPAL OR COMMUNITY FACING CHARGING.

AND SO DEPENDING ON, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE, WE COULD, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY FACING COMMAND.

IT, IT COULD BE A PRIORITY, NOT, WE WILL JUST SEE HOW IT GOES.

AND TO ANSWER SORT OF THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD RAISED BEFORE, VICE MAYOR, I RECENTLY WENT TO A CHARGING PLACE AT A HOTEL LIKE THAT, AND THEY JUST SHIFT, THEY SHUT OFF THE BREAKER TO IT TO AVOID THAT.

SO THERE'S SIMPLE WAYS THAT, UH, PEOPLE CAN MANAGE THE DEMAND ON THESE THINGS.

SO BRYCE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

IT'S LOWER LEVEL, THE FAST CHARGES.

I SUPPORT THE FAST CHARGES.

THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION, BUT THE FAST CHARGES DON'T MEET THE DARK SKY LIGHTING.

THAT WAS A PROBLEM LAST YEAR UP AT, UH, THE HUB WHERE THE, THE LIGHTING ON THE SIDE OF EACH CHARGER WAS GREEN AND EMANATING OUT.

, HAS THAT BEEN RECTIFIED? UH, SO WE'RE GOING, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, CHARGER HAS BEEN SHUT OFF ON THE LIGHTING FOR IT.

UH, I JUST HAVEN'T GOT BACK OUT THERE AT A NIGHTTIME HOUR TO CHECK IT, BUT I'M GONNA CHECK WITH OUR, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, INSPECTORS TO DOUBLE CHECK ON IT.

SO THE LIGHTING, UM, WE HAD THE LIGHTING SHUT OFF PROBABLY IN, UH, I, I FORGOT THE TIMEFRAME.

I CAN EMAIL YOU THE DESCRIPTION ON THAT ONE, BUT THE LIGHTING WAS TURNED OFF.

BUT THE CHARGER STILL WORKS.

YES, THE CHARGER STILL WORKS.

SO ANY NEW CHARGES, THEY WILL NOT HAVE LIGHTING.

SO THE COMPONENT, WHETHER OR NOT THE CHARGING HAD LIGHTING ON IT WILL BE REVIEWED AS WE GO THROUGH THOSE CHARGERS.

I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THE DISTINCT CHARGER THAT WE'D BE PUTTING IN AT THIS VERY MOMENT, BUT WE'D MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE DARK.

SECOND PLAN ON THE NEXT ONES.

I MEAN, THAT IT SEEMS KIND OF HYPOCRITICAL IF IT DOESN'T MEET OUR DARK SKY.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING ON TOP OF THAT.

I HAD A QUESTION.

AND THEN, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

AND, UM, THE STREETLIGHTS, LED RETROFIT, JUST WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OLD FIXTURES? UH, THOSE ONES, UH, THOSE ONES WILL GET, UH, RECYCLED AND OR, UM, DISPOSED OF WITH LIKE A VEOLIA OR A CLEAN HARBORS RECYCLING, UH, SERVICES OR WHATNOT.

SO THOSE, THOSE ONES WILL GET PROPERLY DISPOSED OF.

CONTINUE ON OR ARE YOU DONE? THAT IS IT FOR SUSTAINABILITY.

WE'LL DO PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT, UH, ONE O'CLOCK.

BRYCE BOTHERING YOU AT ALL OR NO? NO.

IS THAT FROM YOUR, UH, LET'S MOVE ON.

PUBLIC WORKS.

GO FIGURE.

YES, KURT, STILL IN THE SEAT.

THE, UH, BY FAR THE, UH, BIGGEST DEPARTMENT, UM, BUDGET AND SECTION OF YOUR BOOK? WE'RE THE HEAVIES .

SO YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVE TO CUT MORE FROM YOUR BUDGET, RIGHT? CUT MORE FROM PUBLIC WORKS THAN THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WORK.

I LIKE THAT.

VERY GOOD.

VERY SHARP.

ALRIGHT, KURT, GO FOR IT.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO? YEAH, YEAH.

UM, THE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS HERE ON THE LIST, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT DECISION PACKAGES.

SO, UM, FOR PUBLIC WORKS, UM, FOR HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES IN THEIR BUDGET, FISCAL YEAR 24 DIRECT COSTS WERE ABOUT 7.2 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, GOING TO ABOUT 8.6 MILLION.

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THERE ARE, UM, THREE FTE POSITIONS INCLUDED IN THAT 455,000, UH, ONE TIME COST GOING UP ABOUT 208,000.

UM, JUST THE REMAINDER OF THE WAGE AND BENEFITS OUTSIDE OF THE DECISION PACKAGES GOING UP 131,000.

THE, UM, STREETS, UM, REHAB PAYMENT PRESERVATION PROGRAM GOING UP 130,000 AND DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE GOING UP 142.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BIGGER COSTS THAT YOU SEE THERE.

THE CHANGE IN THE BUDGET IS 19%.

THE ONGOING PORTION OF THE DIRECT COST INCREASE IS 15% INCREASE.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE, ON THE ONE TIME COST, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 958,001 TIME COSTS.

UM, WITHIN THAT, UM, WE'LL GET TO THE DECISION PACKAGES AND THE DECISION PACKAGES ABOUT 144,000, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER BIG AMOUNTS THERE.

SO VEHICLE LEASES AND THERE'S SOME, UH, PAYOFFS ON SOME OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING AT THE END OF THEIR TERM, 161,000, UM, PARKS, EQUIPMENT, FENCING, BOLLARDS, OTHER IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO PARKS, 122,000 ROOF REHABS, MISCELLANEOUS FACILITIES, MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENTS, AND, AND RELATED EQUIPMENT 149,000, UM, IN ALL OF THAT.

SO, UM, THAT COVERS THE, THE BASE BUDGET SECTION.

I HAVE A SLIDE, UM, ACTUALLY I THINK A COUPLE SLIDES ON THE DECISION PACKAGES.

IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT BASE BUDGET FIRST AND THEN MOVE INTO DECISION PACKAGES, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EASIER.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOOK ON MEASURES GOALS? MAYOR.

SOMETHING MILLION PER YEAR, IT WOULD, UH, SORT OF MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF, UH, OF CONDITION.

SHERRY, YOU JUST MENTIONED THE VEHICLE LEASES AND BALANCE PAYOFFS CAN, WHAT'S THE BALANCE PAYOFF MEAN? SO WITH THE ENTERPRISE LEASES, UM, WE LEASE THEM FOR FIVE YEARS.

THEN THERE IS A BALANCE TO EITHER, UH, PAY OFF AND KEEP THE VEHICLE OR WE JUST SELL THE VEHICLE AND ROLL, ROLL IT OVER INTO ANOTHER VEHICLE THROUGH ENTERPRISE.

SO WE WILL BE PAYING OFF ON SOME OF THEM BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER VEHICLES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THAT ARE OLDER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE BEING LEASED.

AND ALL OF THOSE DECISIONS ARE JUST BEING MADE ON SORT OF THE MERITS OF THE VEHICLE ITSELF.

AND YEAH, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ITS REPLACEMENT PER THE VEHICLE PO THE ELECTRIC ATION, BUT NOT SO MUCH.

AND OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND HOW SET? I'M STILL, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS.

I THINK I ASKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR AND THEN I FORGOT ABOUT IT UNTIL THIS YEAR.

SO I'M LOOKING ON YOUR PAGE FIVE PERFORMANCE MEASURE OF THE FIVE MILES OF ANNUAL PAVEMENT THAT AT THE AVERAGE ANNUAL GOAL.

AND I'M, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THAT'S SET.

SO THAT'S BEEN OUR WHAT PAGE? IT'S, UH, PW FIVE.

SO IN THE PAST IT'S BEEN WAY LOWER AND WAY HIGHER AND IT'S BEEN SET AT FIVE.

HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT IT SETTING AT FIVE? AND WHAT METRIC ARE WE USING TO DECIDE WHETHER WE SHOULD BE SPENDING DOING MORE THAN FIVE OR LESS THAN FIVE? YOU WANT ME TO GET THAT? YEAH.

UH, YES.

UM, IT'S NOT SO MUCH FIVE MILES.

WHAT WE DID THIS PAST YEAR, UM, WE GOT A GROUP CALLED ROADWAY ASSET, UH, SERVICES TO, UH, TO DRIVE ALL 90 MILES OF OUR ROADWAYS AND ASSESS THEM BY A PCI RATING, UM, CONDITION INDEX.

AND THEY, UH, WE, WE CHOSE THEM 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD, WE FEEL, UM, PROGRAM FOR SETTING OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN BASED ON THE PRIORITIZATION OF THEIR, OF THEIR SOFTWARE, UH, THE, THAT THEIR SOFTWARE COMES UP WITH BASED ON ALL OF THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT THEY GAINED FROM THEIR INVESTIGATION.

AND I, I BELIEVE OUR, OUR PROPOSED BUDGET IS 1.5 MILLION FOR THE YEAR FOR PAVEMENT PRESERVATION.

THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 130,000.

UH, WHAT THEY ASSESSED WAS OUR AVERAGE PCI OR RATING FOR OUR AVERAGE FOR THE WHOLE CITY WAS 73.

AND THAT LIKE 70 TO 85 IS CONSIDERED SATISFACTORY.

UH, SO THEY, THEY, THEY GAVE US A GRAPH AND WE HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS IF YOU WOULD EVER BE INTERESTED.

BUT THEY GAVE US A GRAPH OF, UH, IF WE CONTINUED ON THAT ROUTE, UH, OF 1.3

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IF WE REDUCED IT, THEY WOULD SAY OVER FIVE YEARS IT WOULD GO DOWN INTO THE, UH, LOW, LOW, UH, TO FAIR TO POOR.

BUT IF WE INCREASED IT TO 1.5 MILLION, IT WOULD INCREASE IT MARGINALLY OVER THE FIVE, FIVE YEAR PERIOD TO AFTER FIVE YEARS, WE'D HAVE AN AVERAGE OF 75.

STILL NOT GOOD.

8,500 IS GOOD, BUT IT WOULD AT LEAST IMPROVE IT.

SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT IT WAS BASED ON NOT NOT DOING FIVE MILES.

JOHN, I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO CLARIFY TOO THAT ONCE YOU GET OVER THAT 85, YOU'RE IN A RANGE THAT'S BEING WASTEFUL.

SO RIGHT NOW, PER OUR ASSESSMENT AND OUR OWN KNOWLEDGE, WE'RE IN THE IDEAL RANGE OF WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

ONCE YOU GET ABOVE THAT PCI OF 85, YOU HAVE TO SPEND SO MUCH TO BE IN THAT RANGE TO KEEP YOUR, YOUR STREETS AT SUCH A HIGH LEVEL THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EFFICIENT.

THE BENEFIT TO COST RATIO IS NOT WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE.

I, FOR ONE, WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT STUDY, THAT REPORT AND KIND OF UNDERSTANDING.

I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHAT THE ROLE HERE, ANDY, AND, AND THAT WAS GREAT FEEDBACK.

I'D NEVER CONSIDERED THAT YOU COULD GET TOO HIGH AND NOW YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE 80 20 KIND OF THING.

YOU SPEND WAY MUCH MORE TO GET THAT LAST INCREMENT OF IMPROVEMENT.

BUT SORT OF WHOSE ROLE IS IT THEN TO SET WHAT THAT GOAL IS BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT THAT 85% IS? WELL, SORRY, I CAN HELP WITH THAT TOO BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN WE SET THAT .

SO YOU KNOW, WE IN GENERAL, WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED CENTER LINE MILES OF, OF STREET IN THE CITY.

AND OUR GENERAL LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR OUR OVERALL PROGRAM IS ABOUT 20 YEARS.

SO IF WE'RE PAVING OR REHABBING FIVE MILES PER YEAR, THEN WE'RE STAYING IN THAT RANGE.

WE OVER TIME HAVE HAD, UH, IN PARTICULAR, IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT FY 22 WHERE WE DIPPED DOWN TO 1.25 MILES, OUR CONTRACTOR KIND OF, UH, MESSED US UP THERE .

SO WE, WE HAD GOT THEM IN GEAR TO DO OUR, OUR NORMAL SPRING TIME, YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT PRESERVATION OPERATION AND THEY KEPT PUSHING US BACK AND PUSHING US BACK.

AND THEN BY THE TIME THEY WERE READY TO GO, IT FELL INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU SAW 7.53 AND FY 23.

'CAUSE WE HAD TO NOW PLAY CATCH UP TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE.

AND ONE, ONE THING, I'M SORRY YOU GUYS, THAT'S OKAY.

ANYWAY, UM, WE DO HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE A FIVE YEAR LOOK AHEAD.

SO FOR ANYBODY WATCHING OR THAT'S INTERESTED, YOU CAN GO IN AND SEE THE FOUR TO FIVE MILES IS WHAT OUR GOAL HAS BEEN FOR MANY YEARS.

NOW, THE PROJECTED FIVE YEAR OUTLOOK IS BASED ON DOING THAT FOUR TO FIVE MILES PER YEAR.

AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE INCREASE IN COSTS THAT WAS RELATED QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK, WAS THAT JUST CONTRACTOR PRICE INCREASES OR, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, IF YOU WILL.

MM-HMM, , LET ME USE THAT TERM FOR THIS.

THIS IS ONE PARTICULAR AREA WHERE THE STREETS, I THINK THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE LAKE WOBEGON, RIGHT? ARE WE ABOVE AVERAGE? ARE WE BELOW AVERAGE HERE IN SEDONA WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FORTUNATE FINANCES THAT WE HAVE? I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE DELIVERING TO OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL QUALITY OF, OF ROAD UH, CONDITION.

UH, AS A CYCLIST, OF COURSE I HAVE A SPECIFIC SPECIAL INTEREST IN THAT THINKING THAT THERE'S LOTS OF PLACES HERE THAT JUST AREN'T FUN TO RIDE MY BIKE ON AWAY FROM THE MAIN CONNECTORS.

SO IT'D BE SAFER TO RIDE OVER THERE.

BUT THE PAVING CONDITION IS NOT, IT IS AN ELSEWHERE IN TOWN AND I THINK THERE'S A POLICY SETTING ROLE HERE FOR US TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WANNA BE HIGH LEVEL, LOW, MEDIUM OR LOW IN THIS ACCEPTABLE RANGE OF SERVICES AND WHAT THE TRADE OFFS ARE.

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN WHEN, WHERE IT IS THAT I GET TO ASK FOR THAT ROLE IN HELPING SET WHAT THAT POLICY IS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTIONS WERE TODAY.

UM, SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HEADED IN A DIRECTION THAT I'M HAPPY ABOUT AND I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF AT WHAT PACE AND WHAT OUR GOAL IS THAT WE'RE SETTING AND WHETHER I'M HAPPY WITH THAT GOAL OR NOT.

NOT BE AWARE OF, UM, WHAT WAS ADJUSTED IN THE BUDGET.

AND I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

OH, SHERRY.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, UM, JOHN MAY

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SO CURRENT YEAR BUDGET FOR THE STREET REHAB PAYMENT PRESERVATION IS 1.3 MILLION.

FISCAL YEAR 25 ADDS THE 130,000.

SO IT'S UH, 1,430,000.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, 'CAUSE I'M NOT SEEING IT BROKEN DOWN.

MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TOTAL REFURB, THAT'S NOT A GRIND UP AND UH, PUT A ONE INCH DOWN OR IS IT, IS THIS JUST A SEAL COAT? SO THAT'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT METHODS THAT YOU COULD BE DOING.

SO THAT'S INCLUDING BOTH REHAB AND PRESERVATION.

SO THE REHAB WOULD BE THE MILL AND REPLACE.

IT'S, IT'S ALSO REALLY PART OF OUR, UM, WELL, OUR, OUR FAST PROGRAM, OUR FRACTURED AGGREGATE SURFACE TREATMENT.

SO ARE YOU FINDING THAT THE FAST PROGRAM IS REALLY PRESERVING OUR ROADS LONGER? IS THAT WORK THAT, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE INITIAL INTENT FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

IS IT WORKING? IS IT SUCCESSFUL? ARE WE SAVING OURSELVES A LOT OF MONEY? YEAH.

DOING THAT.

I, I FEEL BAD I KEEP STEALING KURT'S THUNDER HERE, BUT, BUT YES, I, I THINK KURT WOULD AGREE THAT THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT HE'S KIND OF TAKING THE BATON AND, AND CARRIED FORWARD.

AND WE'RE CON WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP ASSESSING THIS BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING EVERY YEAR NEW APPROACHES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY HAVING TO DO SO MUCH REHAB, BUT PRESERVATION.

AND WITHIN OUR PROGRAM WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE MORE TOWARDS PRESERVATION VERSUS REHAB.

IT'S A LOT CHEAPER AND I THINK IT PROVIDES A LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT LOOKS BETTER.

IT'S A MORE FREQUENT KIND OF APPLICATION.

SO IT'S KEEPING OUR STREETS LOOKING NICER MORE FREQUENTLY.

SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE GETTING MORE THAN THAT 20 YEARS OUT OF THE ROADS? WE DO AS WE MOVE MORE TOWARDS A PRESERVATION.

UM, YOU WILL SEE THE LIFE EXP EXPENSE EXPECTANCY OF THOSE STREETS EXTENDED, BUT THE, THE PRESERVATION APPLICATION WILL HAPPEN MORE FREQUENTLY.

NO, I UNDERSTOOD THAT.

BUT THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR AS COSTLY AS A TOTAL GRIND UP AND CORRECT LAPTOP, WHICH IS HUGE.

SO PLUS THE, NOT THE MACHINERY NEEDED AS D TOTALLY DIFFERENT, SO.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? WELL, PART OF THIS TOO IS WHAT, UM, COUNCILMAN PETE FURMAN WAS MENTIONING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR ROADS, THERE IS AN EXPECTATION SINCE I GOT HERE FROM RESIDENTS THAT, UH, THE ROADS SHOULD BE EXCELLENT.

AND THE CHALLENGES WHEN THIS TOWN GOT INCORPORATED, A LOT OF THOSE, UH, ROADS WERE SUBSTANDARD AND WEREN'T DESIGNED PROPERLY.

SO WE'RE ARE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL.

SO MY EFFORT TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY WAS TO DO WHAT I THINK THE CITIZENS ARE EXPECTING IN THIS TOWN.

A LOT OF THIS IS LIKE EDGE CONTROL DRAINAGE THAT'S PART OF OUR STREETS.

THAT'S NOT PART OF JUST PAVE PRES.

AND THEN OUT OF THIS EXTRA MONEY, AS ANDY REFERENCED IS CRACK CEILING AND FOG COATING.

SO AREAS THAT MAYBE AREN'T ON OUR, UH, TREATMENT, UM, LIST THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY THEN EXTEND, UH, COULD COME BACK AND FOG COAT THESE WELL ROADS THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID AND INVESTED TO TWO TO THREE YEARS EARLIER.

SO PART OF THIS IS A MORE OF A ROBUST PLAN TO DO FOG COATING, MICRO SEALING, ALL THOSE THAT WE FIND THAT ARE REALLY RECEPTIVE TO THE CITIZENS.

IT'S LESS INVASIVE TO THE CITIZENS, BUT THEN WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF VALUE IN EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THAT, OF THAT ROAD.

SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO BRING THIS MORE VALUE AND, AND PULL THIS UP BY THE BOOT SCREENINGS PER SE.

CAN, CAN YOU ON? YEP.

SO IT'S TAKING THE DATA THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY, UM, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES FROM 2017 THROUGH, UM, 2022.

THANKS KURT FOR THAT.

ALSO, NOW DRAW YOUR ATTENTION ON THE BOTTOM OF P OR YEAH, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF PW FIVE WHERE I'M LOOKING AT THE PERFORMANCE MEASURE OF FAC ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE FACILITIES, CUSTODIAL EXPENDITURES, THAT'S ONE THAT AGAIN, ACCORDING TO YOUR BENCHMARK.

SO I WE'RE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE.

I'D LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHERE WE, WHY, WHY THAT BENCHMARK OUR, OUR PERFORMANCE LOOKS TO BE ABOVE THE BENCHMARKS.

AND, AND THEN KIND OF COUPLED WITH THAT, I COULD UNDERSTAND PERHAPS YOUR ANSWER ANTICIPATING AN ANSWER THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS RURAL ARIZONA, SEDONA PRICING THAT WE JUST HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR DOING THIS KIND OF STUFF.

IS THERE SOME RESEARCH YOU COULD DO BENCHMARKING ABOUT OTHER VERDE VALLEY TOWNS AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE PAYING? THAT MIGHT HELP ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT VENTURE, BUT I YEAH, I LOVE TO HEAR YOUR RESPONSE IN GENERAL.

IF I COULD JUST SAY ONE THING JUST TO EXPLAIN THE BENCHMARK A LITTLE BIT.

SO THE ICMA DATA THAT WE RECEIVE, UM, THERE WAS PRETTY DECENT PARTICIPATION FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND THEN PARTICIPATION HAS DECLINED AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THIS RANGE OF YEARS.

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SO IT'S A, IT'S A RANGE OF ALL OF THAT.

AND SO YOU'VE GOT INFLATION THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN.

AND SO THERE IS SOME ELEMENT OF THAT BECAUSE THIS IS THE BENCHMARK'S ALWAYS GONNA AT LEAST BE HISTORICAL DATA COMPARED TO NOW WHAT ARE WE TIME VALUE ASKING FOR NOW.

SO THERE WILL BE THAT DISCREPANCY, BUT I'M SURE KURT HAS MORE TO ADD ABOUT WHY THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE.

YEAH, THAT'S A MOVING TARGET ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, AND BEING IN SEDONA AND I THINK THE EXPECTATIONS OF OUR OWN STAFF, THE CITIZENS AND SO ON, UH, GARBAGE IS A BIG ISSUE.

AND UM, IF WE DON'T STAY ON TOP OF IT, LIKE NOW IN PEAK SEASON, I CAN HAVE, UH, RYAN COME UP AND, AND TELL ABOUT IT'S A DAILY FACTOR THAT WE'RE GOING AT AND WE'RE DOING ALL THESE BIG BELLIES TO TRY TO, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S SPREAD OUT.

WE HAVE, UM, FEW STAFF THAT ARE WORKING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TO TRY TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS.

SO, UM, YEAH, THE COSTS HAVE GONE UP, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UM, TO, UH, TO MAKE SURE OUR METRICS ARE SHOWING THAT WE'RE GETTING THE VALUE WE NEEDED ON EITHER OUTSOURCING THIS OR KEEPING THIS IN-HOUSE.

I MEAN I I I CAN GO ON AND ON, BUT UM, IF YOU DO ANY MORE SPECIFICS, UM, NOT, NO, NOT ON THAT.

I, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT AND, AND THINKING ABOUT THROUGH THAT.

I CAN SEE A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS AND IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.

IT DOES SAY CUSTODIAL EXPENDITURE PER SQUARE FOOT.

MY MIND GOT STUCK ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE ELEMENT IN THAT LINE RATHER THAN THE ACTUAL EXECUTION.

SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IT, IT'S A REALLY ROUGH CALCULATION.

IT'S, I THINK IT'S BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ROOF AREA AND, AND, AND WHEN YOU DO THE CALCULATIONS, WHEN I WAS FILLING IT OUT IN THE ICMA, IT WAS LIKE, AH, I DON'T KNOW HOW APPLICABLE THIS IS, BUT I THINK IT'S AN OVERALL AVERAGE OF NATIONALLY AND SO ON.

THEN MY OTHER LAST QUESTION HERE IS, UM, PW EIGHT AND THE WORKLOAD INDICATORS.

UM, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, WE HAD DAYS OF TRAFFIC CONTROL ON 89 A AND 1 79 AND HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE ARE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WE DID THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

AND SORT OF GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW, I, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE DID A LOT OF POLICE OFFICER DIRECTION AND THE ROUNDABOUTS AND STUFF, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE OUR, OUR METRIC HERE, GIVEN THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST FRUSTRATIONS IN TOWN ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE BY CHANGING THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT HERE.

JUST YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IS THAT THE, UH, REGARDING THE AMOUNT OF TCAS, IT, IT COULD BE WHATEVER IS IN YOUR WORKLOAD INDICATOR HERE IS DAYS OF TRAFFIC CONTROL ON, ON THE HIGHWAYS.

IF I COULD, IF I COULD MAYBE START WITH THAT AND YOU CAN JUMP IN IF YOU WANT.

UM, I, I'M THINKING THIS ESTIMATE IS OFF BECAUSE, AND WHEN WE FILLED THIS OUT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE FULLY KNEW WHAT EXTENT OF DEPLOYMENT WE WERE GONNA MAKE FOR THE TCA PROGRAM THIS SPRING, BUT I CAN SAY THIS YEAR WE HAVE IN FACT DEPLOYED MORE DAYS AND, AND MORE STATIONS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, UM, MORE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR.

SO THIS NUMBER SHOULD BE HIGHER.

AND I WOULD'VE EXPECTED THAT.

AND, AND SO WHAT ARE YOU BUDGETING FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR? THE LEVEL OF EFFORT THAT WE KNOW NOW? OR ARE YOU GOING TO WHAT YOU'VE THIS NUMBER, WHAT, WELL, I I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO BACK OFF TO SOME EXTENT AT 1 79 AT THE PEG CROSSING ONCE THAT'S OPERATIONAL.

UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE SPRING SEASON, I THINK THAT'S THE THING THAT GREW ON US MORE THIS YEAR THAN WE WE ANTICIPATED.

AND WILL THAT HAPPEN AGAIN NEXT YEAR? NOT SURE, BUT THAT'S AN AREA THAT TYPICALLY WE DO BUDGET IN SOME BUFFER INTO THAT PROGRAM SO THAT WE CAN ADD IF WE END UP HAVING NEEDS BEYOND WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING.

SO I'M THINKING WE'RE PROBABLY OKAY WITH THAT, WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS.

AND, AND THE REASON WAS IS WE HAD DIFFICULTY, UH, UH, RETAINING OUR TCAS.

SO WE HAD A LOT OF VACANCIES, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T ASK FOR A LARGER MONEY.

SO WE'RE JUST HAVING CHALLENGES FILLING THOSE POSITIONS AND KEEPING THEM, BECAUSE WE'RE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, WE REALLY FOLLOW TRANSIT.

SO WHEN TRANSIT IS GOING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, OUR TCAS ARE FOLLOWING.

AND THEN DURING OF COURSE THE, UH, LOW SEASONS, THEN WE PULL WAY BACK AND WE'RE ONLY DOING, UH, WEEKENDS

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SO, UM, YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S AN ONGOING, UH, STRUGGLE.

JOHN IS OUR NOW ENGINEERING SUPERVISOR OF THE TCA PROGRAM AND WE, WE KEEP TRYING TO PROVIDE, UH, BETTER EFFICIENCIES.

UH, FOR INSTANCE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO RELOCATE THE TCAS TO THE Y UH, CHEVRON AS PART OF MAKING MORE ROOM FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL STAFF FROM OUR BREWER OFFICE OR SOUTHEAST SYCAMORE, BUT THAT'S ALSO TO KEEP 'EM CLOSER TO, UM, PROXIMITY OF WHERE THEIR DUTY PROS ARE AT UPTOWN AND SO ON.

AND THEY CAN JUST WALK THERE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE ALL THOSE EFFICIENCIES, GIVING THEM ALL THE COMFORTS THAT THEY NEED.

WE ADDED A TOILET AT BACK AND BEYOND A PORTAJOHN.

UM, A LOT OF THESE THINGS TO KEEP OUR STAFF, UM, FULL BECAUSE THEN IT'S THE TRAINING FACTOR AND THEN THEY ALL HAVE TO BE TRAFFIC CONTROL CERTIFIED.

SO IT'S A BIG PROGRAM.

IT'S A LOT OF EFFORT.

SO THEN I KNOW I SAID FINAL LAST TIME, MAYOR, BUT IT'S FINAL THIS TIME.

ON, ON THE NEXT PAGE THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, YOUR BENCHMARKS FOR ALL OF THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES THERE, BLANK.

SO THAT RELATES TO A COMMENT THAT I HAD BEFORE THE QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING ALL KINDS OF EFFORT, RIGHT? AND INVESTMENT IN THE SIM PROJECTS AND YOU GUYS CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC.

WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK ARE WE GETTING? SO THESE PERFORMANCE MEASURES I LOVE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'D BE ANY MORE OR NOT, BUT THESE ARE GREAT DAYS OF DELAY AND TIMEFRAME.

IS ANY OF THIS DATA COLLECT? IS THIS AUTOMATIC DATA COLLECTION OR DO WE HAPPEN TO ACTUALLY, UM, DEPLOY SOMEONE TO GET DATA.

AND HOW OFTEN DO WE DO THAT? IS THAT SYSTEMATIC OR IS IT REALLY AN AUTOMATED KIND OF SYSTEM WHERE WE'RE GETTING GOOD? IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BOTH .

SO THROUGH THE TRACTION PROGRAM, WE GET THE DATA, BUT WE HAVE TO EXTRACT IT.

AND THEN KURT GETS TO SPEND LATE, LATE NIGHTS THROWING IT TOGETHER INTO THIS FORMAT.

PROCESSING IT AND SO ON.

SO WHERE THAT TRAFFIC'S COMING TO AND SO ON.

BUT THE TCA PROGRAM, YEAH, WE GET MIXED BAGS.

SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY GRATEFUL AND I, WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY EXPLAIN TO OUR TCA STAFF, THEY ARE NOW THE AMBASSADORS.

SO IF THEY'RE NOT THERE AND POSTED, WE IMMEDIATELY KNOW ABOUT IT.

AND, UM, IT BECOMES SUCH A RELIANCE AND BUSINESSES ARE SO ON, ARE REFERRING THEM TO OUR TCAS OF WELCOMING PEOPLE WHERE TO GO AND SO ON.

AND WE, AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW IN THIS ROOM AND THE LISTENERS THAT WE'RE JUST A GUIDE.

WE'RE NOT ENFORCEMENT.

WE'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLE.

AND SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY IN THAT FLUX OF TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO WAIT.

UM, WHY THE CAR'S, VEHICLE'S CLEAR, PLEASE BE PATIENT.

WE HAVE SANDWICH BOARDS UP AND SO ON.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE COMPLIANT.

WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LISTEN AND, AND ALL THAT.

AND SO WE'VE ALSO MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS AT BACK AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FARTHER DOWNSTREAM AS PART OF SAFETY.

AND THAT'S THE BIG MESSAGE WE'RE TRYING TO GET, IS IT'S SAFETY FOR THE VISITORS, IT'S SAFETY FOR THE PETS, AND IT'S TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THAT CONGESTIONS AND THEN COORDINATING WHEN THE POLICE WERE INVOLVED.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THEY DID AS THEIR OWN INSTANCE OF JUST TRYING TO SHOW A PRESENCE WHEN THERE'S TOTAL, UM, LEVEL OF SERVICE GOES TO F AT THE Y ROUNDABOUT.

ON WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN WAS SAYING, WHAT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT OUR POLICY IS, LIKE WHO DECIDES, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT PD, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE NOT HERE.

UM, YEP.

AND IT'S JUST WHERE, WHEN YOU HAVE THESE PEAK TRAFFICS, THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO.

UM, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY CARS AND NOT ENOUGH, UH, STREET SPACE AND, AND THE TCAS AND WHEN THE POLICE ARE OUT THERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC, AND THAT'S THE VISIBLE THING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SEEING THAT, YOU KNOW.

BUT BEYOND THAT, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY IN THE SIM PROGRAM, AND I KNOW THAT OUR CONSULT, WE AND OUR CONSULTANTS WORKING WITH US ARE MAKING SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SOFT PREDICTIONS ABOUT EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS, HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA IMPROVE.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A REAL ACCOUNTING TO, TO, IF WE'RE HITTING THE MARKS OR WE'RE NOT HITTING THE MARKS, AND GIVEN HOW SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC HAS AN BEEN AN ISSUE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME REAL REPORTING ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING ON, YOU KNOW, ON A DAY TO DAY, WEEK TO WEEK, ANNUAL SEASONAL, ANNUAL BASIS AND, AND WHETHER OUR SIM EXPENDITURES AND ALL THE EFFORT, WHICH HASN'T BEEN EASY WITH THE TCAS.

IS IT MAKING A DIFFERENCE? ARE WE HEADED THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR ARE WE NOT? THAT'S PART OF OUR GOAL FOR NEXT WEEK.

YEAH, THAT'S WOULD BE OUR SIM.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU ANECDOTALLY, WHEN WE'RE NOT THERE, UM, WE HEAR ABOUT IT AND THE TRAFFIC GOES SIDEWAYS.

SO ANECDOTALLY, YES, IT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE.

AND WE'RE BASICALLY, UM, AT OUR OWN SUCCESS NOW.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE THERE NOW.

THERE'S A EXPECTATION FOR, UH, VISITORS, CITIZENS ALIKE AND BUSINESSMEN WHEN WE'RE NOT.

UM, SO IT'S THE, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG JOB.

AND I THINK WE'RE HERE MORE NEXT WEEK.

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PD, CSAS AND TSAS, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF EACH OF THOSE GROUPS AND WHO MAKES THE DECISION WHEN THEY'RE DEPLOYED AND FOR HOW LONG THEY'RE DEPLOYED, AND IS IT COORDINATED, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS? YEAH.

SO AS FAR AS TCAS GO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STARTED OFF WITH THAT PROGRAM YEARS AGO NOW, WHICH IS HARD TO IMAGINE.

BUT WE STARTED OFF WITH A MINIMAL DEPLOYMENT BECAUSE WE, WE REALLY HAD A CHALLENGE WITH GETTING STAFF, UH, SUFFICIENT TO COVER THAT PROGRAM BACK THEN.

BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, WE'VE GOTTEN BETTER AT RETAINING EMPLOYEES AND, AND STAFFING THAT PROGRAM.

AND SO WE'VE BUILT FROM A MINIMAL DEPLOYMENT, I WANT TO SAY THE FIRST YEAR IT WAS FOCUSED AROUND SPRINGTIME THAT QUICKLY BUILT INTO SPRINGTIME PLUS HOLIDAYS, THEN IT BUILT INTO SPRINGTIME PLUS WEEKENDS ESSENTIALLY.

AND THEN WE GIVE A, A SPECIAL FOCUS ON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, WHERE OUR, OUR AVERAGE DEPLOYMENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IS THURSDAY THROUGH MONDAY.

AND THEN ON A HOLIDAY WEEKEND, IF IT HAPPENS TO BE A, A MONDAY HOLIDAY, THEN WE'LL EXTEND THAT THROUGH THE, THE MONDAY.

SO IN GENERAL, THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S THE WAY THE PROGRAM'S DEPLOYED.

AND THEN SPRINGTIME, WE STARTED OFF ESSENTIALLY MATCHING WHAT, UH, THE TRANSIT PROGRAM IS DOING.

PART OF THE NEED FOR THAT IS ENSURING THAT OUR PARKING RIDES ARE, ARE, ARE WORKING PROPERLY AS WELL AS THE BACK AND BEYOND AREA THAT WE GIVE SPECIAL FOCUS TO.

UM, SO, SO YOU KNOW THAT THE GENERAL OUTLINE OF THE PROGRAM IS, IS THOSE WEEKENDS PLUS HOLIDAYS, PLUS SPRINGTIME, AND, AND NORMALLY THAT SPRINGTIME, UH, UH, LAUNCH IS MATCHING WITH TRANSIT THIS YEAR, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE EXTENDED BEYOND JUST WHAT TRANSIT'S DOING.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, CHRISTMAS TO NEW YEAR'S WEEK AS WELL AS THE TIMER AROUND THANKSGIVING THAT IT'S ALSO EXPANDED TO SO THAT IT'S, IT'S CONSTANTLY EVOLVING OVER TIME AND SOMETIMES WE'RE LIMITED BY WHAT WE CAN STAFF, BUT CURRENTLY THAT'S KIND OF THE PROGRAM, WHAT I GENERALLY JUST OUTLINED.

SO WHAT IS THE AUTHORITY OF A TCA? YEAH, CAN KAREN HAS TO JUMP IN.

OH, GO AHEAD KAREN.

KAREN, GO AHEAD.

OH, YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ANSWER THAT ORIGINAL QUESTION.

VICE MAYOR, THE TRAFFIC CONTROL ASSISTANCES ARE PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES.

THEY DO, AS KURT MENTIONED, THEY GET CERTIFIED IN TRAFFIC CONTROL, BUT THEY ARE BASICALLY MANAGING PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT.

THEY DO STOP VEHICLES TO ALLOW PEDESTRIAN FLOW, UH, AT THE VARIOUS PLACES THAT THEY'RE STATIONED, WHICH IS UPTOWN THE, UM, CROSSING AT OAK, THE, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT TALK HOCKEY, AND THEN IT BACKHOE BEYOND THE CSAS ARE, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICE AIDES.

THOSE FOLKS ARE ASSIGNED TO PD AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO TRAFFIC, OR I'M SORRY, PARKING ENFORCEMENT PRIMARILY.

THEY DO SOME OTHER THINGS TOO, BUT THEY'RE ISSUING THE PARKING CITATIONS IN UPTOWN OR BACK OF BEYOND OR THE OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE WE ENFORCE NO PARKING THIS YEAR, IN ADDITION TO, IT'S PRIMARILY BEEN TCAS TRYING TO KEEP TRAFFIC FLOWING BY MANAGING THAT, UH, PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT AND VEHICULAR MOVEMENT.

BUT WE'VE SEEN SUCH CONGESTION IN THIS LAST YEAR, PARTICULARLY OVER THE, THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY WHERE WE KIND OF SAW THINGS GETTING BACKED UP.

WE ALSO HAD A PROJECT GOING ON IN UPTOWN THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT, BUT THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TO DEPLOY THE POLICE, POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE TCAS CANNOT DIRECT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND INTERSECTIONS ARE AT THE Y BY LAW, BY LAW.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE ALSO BEEN COORDINATING.

AND EVER SINCE, UM, DECEMBER AFTER EVERY WEEKEND THEY, THERE WAS A MONDAY MORNING AFTER ACTION MEETUP BETWEEN PD AND PUBLIC WORKS IN ORDER TO COORDINATE WHAT WENT RIGHT, WHAT DIDN'T GO WELL, WHAT COULD WE TRY FOR NEXT TIME, WHAT DOES STAFFING NEED TO BE THE NEXT WEEKEND.

UM, AND SO THERE IT IS A QUITE A COORDINATED EFFORT.

WHO MAKES THE DECISION OR WHAT IS THE POLICY I SHOULD SAY ABOUT WHEN PD IS DEPLOYED? PD IS PRIMARILY RESOURCE BASED, RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S A MOTOR, IF THERE ARE OFFICERS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO EMERGENCIES, AND IT'S, IT'S, WE CAN SEE THAT TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP, THEY'RE TYPICALLY MAKING THAT DECISION ON THE FLY.

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THERE HAVE BEEN SOME WHERE WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WEEK BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HEIGHT OF SPRING BREAK WHERE THEY CAN TRY TO SCHEDULE FOLKS.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE DOWN SWORN STAFFING, RIGHT? WE HAVE VACANCIES.

SO THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE NEED TO HAVE OVERTIME FOR JUST TO FILL REGULAR SHIFTS.

SO OFTEN WHEN WE HAVE THESE EXTRA ASSIGNMENTS, WE'RE NOT GETTING FOLKS INTERESTED IN PICKING 'EM UP AT STAYING, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THEY'RE GONNA BE DEPLOYED TO THE Y ALL DAY ON A, ON A WEEKEND.

UM, SO IT'S MORE OR LESS GONNA BE RESOURCE CONTINGENT BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE TIME.

SO SHOULD, SHOULD OUR LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM INCLUDE TRYING TO GET THE LAW CHANGED SO THAT WE CAN HAVE NON-SWORN PEOPLE DIRECTING TRAFFIC AT THE Y KURT? INTERESTING QUESTION.

I MEAN, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A BE A POLICY, A LEAGUE DECISION.

YOU COULD DO THAT.

THE, THE LAW, THE ONE THAT COMES THAT PREVENTS IT IS STATE.

YEAH, IT'S STATE LAW.

LEMME SEE IF I, I CAN PULL IT UP RIGHT HERE.

I WAS JUST LOOKING IT UP.

IT'S A A R RS 28 6 27 E.

IT SAYS, IT SAYS POLICE AIDES, UNARMED POLICE AIDES.

THOSE A, HOWEVER, ARE ONLY LI ARE LIMITED AUTHORITY.

THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF MUNICIPALITIES ORDINANCES REGULATING THE STANDING OR PARKING OF VEHICLES.

SO NOT THE NOT MOVING VEHICLES.

SO WE COULD JUST, IF WE ADDED MOVING VEHICLES, JUST A LITTLE PHRASE IN THERE.

AND, AND SO IF IT'S, THROW IN ONE MORE NUANCE IN THERE.

THE ADOT ALLOWS, UM, UNARMED POLICE AIDS TO DIRECT TRAFFIC AT NONS SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS WHERE IT SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS UNDER, UM, THE DIRECTION OF A POLICE OFFICER, UM, DESPITE THE, WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

WELL, THAT IS THE ADOT ROAD, ISN'T IT? SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD FALL UNDERNEATH THAT EXCEPTION? SO IT'S NOT AN EXCEPTION, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST NOT FOLLOWING, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY COULD LOOK INTO.

AND I THINK THE DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING INTO IT.

I THINK WE GOT A CONSENSUS HERE THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT.

'CAUSE THAT WAY WE WOULDN'T BE USING OUR VALUABLE, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES.

AND IT DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE WHEN THEY'RE THERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO BE SWORN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT JOB.

I KNOW THE LOSSES THEY HAVE TO BE, BUT I DON'T THINK PRACTICALLY THEY, IT'S REQUIRED.

ARE YOU DONE? MM-HMM, .

I JUST LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM SOMETHING KAREN JUST SAID.

WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN COVERING THAT ON THAT, WOULD THAT BE ON OVERTIME OR WOULD THAT BE IN SWAPPING TIME OR CHANGING TIME? IT WOULD BE AN OVERTIME ASSIGNMENT AND YES, WE'VE HAD DIFFICULTY WITH SPECIAL DUTY ASSIGNMENTS AND THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL DUTY ASSIGNMENT, GETTING ENOUGH PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THOSE.

AND WOULD THAT BE PUT OUT IN ADVANCE? LIKE IF, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S WOULD BE, PUT IT OUT LIKE TWO OR THREE WEEKS IN ADVANCE? ANYBODY WISH TO WORK OVERTIME? YES.

AND THE FREQUENCY AT WHICH WE HAVE DONE THAT, OR WHAT DAYS OR TIMES WE HAVE DONE THAT LATELY? UM, I THINK POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF YOUR NEXT DEPARTMENTS, AND YOU COULD ASK THAT QUESTION.

I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT, HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PUT OUT.

I JUST DO KNOW THAT SPECIAL DUTY ASSIGNMENTS HAVE BEEN PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT TO PHIL RECENTLY.

I'M GONNA HOLD MY COMMENTS TILL EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SPOKEN, BUT, UM, JESSICA, DID YOU WANT, AND THEN BRIAN, UH, MY COMMENT IS JUST THAT I EXPECT THE POLICE UNION WOULD NOT, MY GUESS IS THAT THERE'S NO UNION.

PARDON ME? THERE'S NO UNION.

WELL, THERE'S NO UNION.

WELL, WHOEVER, WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE PROBABLY DOESN'T LIKE CIVILIANS TAKING OVER THINGS THAT ONLY POLICE OFFICERS CURRENTLY CAN DO.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY GUESS.

IF, IF THERE'S A GOOD RATIONAL PLAN FOR HOW TO UTILIZE THEM.

UH, SO BEATING A DEAD HORSE FURTHER ON THIS TCA THING FOR NEXT WEEK, I VERY MUCH WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT IS THERE MORE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, LET'S USE THAT PROVISION THAT KURT JUST MENTIONED, BUT BEYOND THAT, TCAS MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE HOW ASK FOR MORE

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I MEAN, THE COMMUNITY VALUES, ANYTHING WE CAN DO, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST VISIBLE SIGNS THAT WE'RE TAKING THE SITUATION SERIOUSLY.

I KNOW WE HAVE PLENTY OF PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE BEING WORKED ON, BUT THE TRAFFIC'S STILL THERE.

AND I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO WILL BE MUCH VALUED.

SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR OFF THE CUFF RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR NEXT WEEK WHEN WE HAVE THE REVIEW, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO INCLUDE THIS.

AND I'LL ALSO ASK, PLEASE HAVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR TRAFFIC DELAYS ON 1 79.

I JUST, I JUST DISAGREE THAT MEASURING 30 MINUTE DELAYS FROM BELL ROCK BOULEVARD IS JUST COMPLETELY MISSING THE BOAT ON WHAT A DELAY LOOKS LIKE ON 1 79.

AND I'LL LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.

SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE, IN THIS BOOK, I KNOW ANDY'S BEEN WORKING ON IT, UH, ABOUT A LIGHTING SYSTEM AT THE Y, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, SIMILAR TO THOSE FROM THE EAST COAST IN NEW YORK CITY.

NOTE, DON'T BLOCK THE BOX IN MANHATTAN.

AND THIS LIGHTING SYSTEM, THE VICE MAYOR AND I WERE WITH TALKING WITH ADOT AND, AND ANDY, UH, I DUNNO IF KAREN WAS THERE AT THE TIME, UH, BUT THEY HAVE US NEW LIGHTING SYSTEM THAT WILL KEEP YOU WITH ANDY.

WHY DON'T YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK TO IT? UH, THAT SYSTEM IS, IS TOTALLY STATE OF THE ART.

IT'S VERY HIGH TECH.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'LL WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IS SIGNAL CONTROL ON THE LEGS ENTERING THE WIDE ROUNDABOUT, UH, METERING TYPE SIGNAL CONTROL.

IT'S, IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR IN CONCEPT TO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE ENTRANCE RAMPS TO THE FREEWAYS IN, IN, UM, PHOENIX CONGESTED AREAS.

AND THAT'S IN THE BUDGET BOOK.

IT'S IN HERE.

IT'S, AND I, I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE, NOT METERING, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY AN EXIT, IT WOULDN'T EVEN LET YOU INTO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.

CARS WOULD COME IN AND BLOCK NOT SO MUCH THE CIRCLES, BUT BLOCK THE EXIT OR THE ENTRANCE FROM ANOTHER DIRECTION.

SO THAT WAS A PROBLEM.

BUT IS IT, I THINK WE WILL LOOK AT THE IDEA OF GETTING ACROSS THE MESSAGE, DON'T BLOCK, YOU KNOW, THE INTERSECTION KIND OF IDEA.

BUT REALLY THIS IS AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR TO HOW YOU MEET HER IN ON RAMP.

IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE A SLUG OF TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM UPTOWN SOUTHBOUND WHERE THAT'S GONNA LOCK UP THE Y WE HOLD THAT TRAFFIC BACK SO THAT WE CAN GET GAPS, RIGHT WHERE THE, THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC CAN ENTER INTO THIS INTERSECTION AND PASS THROUGH.

SO, SO THERE'S ALSO A SAFETY COMPONENT TO PEDESTRIANS WITH THE METERING AS WELL.

AND THERE'S BEEN, I THINK IT WITHIN THE PAST MONTH, SEVERAL ACCIDENTS THAT I'VE SEEN AFTER THE EFFECTS WHERE THERE, WHERE THEY'VE CROSSED OVER THE LINE BECAUSE THERE'S TWO LANES COMING DOWN FROM UPTOWN AND THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL ACCIDENTS AT THE Y EITHER GOING INTO THE HYATT OR GOING TO THE POST OFFICE.

SO, UH, DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? 'CAUSE I WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY.

SO ANYWAY, GO AFTER A DIFFERENT TOPIC.

SOME DEGREE TO PULL SOME TRAFFIC TO KEEP THAT CROSS TRAFFIC IN THE LEGS OF THE, THE ROUNDABOUT.

I'VE SEEN, UH, THIS PAST YEAR, THIS IS SOMETHING I POURED UP LAST YEAR DURING THE TRAFFIC AND THE Y ASIDE FROM WHEN YOU WERE DOING THE TRAFFIC, UH, CONSTRUCTION, THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION GOING NORTHBOUND.

SO THERE'S GUARANTEED THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC, I GET THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE OFFICERS DRIVING THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC COMING DOWN COOKS HILL AND GOING UP TO, AND I'VE SEEN THEM, I'VE BEEN BEHIND THEM WATCHING AND NOTHING HAPPENS.

NOBODY EVER GETS OUT OF THE CAR.

AND I ADDRESSED THIS LAST YEAR BY, IT TURNED OUT IT WAS SERGEANT LEON DID THAT ON HER OWN BACK THEN.

I WAS ADVISED LAST YEAR IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

AND WHEN I SAW THE MOTOR OFFICER STANDING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WITH HIS MOTORCYCLE WATCHING THE TRAFFIC BUILD UP, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS ASSIGNMENT WAS, I DON'T GET INVOLVED.

BUT TO ME, WE SHOULD BE MORE PROACTIVE BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT OUR RESIDENTS SEE.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH VOLUME, I GET IT.

THERE'S NOTHING YOU COULD DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE CANYON WE ALL KNOW IS TWO LANES, NOT FOUR LANES.

AND IT'S NEVER GONNA CHANGE, I DON'T THINK.

BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING MORE PROACTIVE.

THE LIGHTING SYSTEM IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME.

IT'S TECHNOLOGY, IT'S STATE OF THE ART AND IT DOESN'T TAKE MANPOWER.

BUT UNTIL WE GET THAT, SOMEBODY HAS TO DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING AND I'M NOT SEEING IT AND I GET SO MANY COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE, BUT YET I GET COMMENDED WHEN THERE IS AN OFFICER THERE AND THEY SAY, WOW, THAT'S IT, IT HELPED.

AND IT PROBABLY DIDN'T REALLY HELP THAT MUCH, BUT IT HELPED TO

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SO I GUESS WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER WITH PD, WITH, WITH THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE PROGRAMMED.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANALYZE THIS AND SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY TO THE POINTS THAT YOU'RE MAKING.

BUT THEN WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.

AND THAT COULD BE A YEAR OR MORE BEFORE IT'S IMPLEMENTED, I WOULD THINK.

SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WHEN IT'S NOT VOLUME, LIKE SPRING BREAK? THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH YOU CAN DO ABOUT, IT'S JUST VOLUME.

RIGHT? SO UNTIL WE GET THERE, I DON'T KNOW.

IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.

I, I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE, BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THAT'S THE ANSWER, BUT SOMETHING OKAY.

TCAS, IF WE COULD DO THAT, THAT'S GREAT.

A BODY THERE WOULD HELP.

KATHY, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC? OKAY, THEN, THEN I, MELISSA HAS TO TALK ON THIS.

SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIM DASH OH FOUR F FUTURE PROJECTS Y ROUNDABOUT ADAPTIVE SIGNALS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

SO I'VE JUST HAD THIS LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S NOT EVEN SCHEDULED UNTIL BUDGET OF NEXT YEAR 26, UM, WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK BEING IN 27, FISCAL YEAR 27.

SO IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO US RIGHT? THEN SHOULDN'T WE BE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA PULL THAT UP TO BEING SOONER? AND THEN TALKING ABOUT, NOT NECESSARILY NOW, BUT TALKING ABOUT WHY IT'S SPLIT BETWEEN TWO FISCAL YEARS INSTEAD OF IT BEING A PROJECT THAT CAN BE COMPLETED INSIDE ONE FISCAL YEAR IF WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS THAT CRITICAL.

AND I HAVE TO LOOK TO YOU GUYS TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT REALLY IS THAT CRITICAL ON SOLVING SOME OF THIS PROBLEM AROUND THE Y AND AROUND THE TRAFFIC INTO THE Y BECAUSE IF IT ISN'T, IF IT'S STILL GONNA NEED PEOPLE TO SORT OF REALLY HELP IT OUT, THEN WE HAVE, IT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND SO JUST TRYING TO GET INPUT FROM YOU GUYS.

I DON'T KNOW WHO TO LOOK AT.

SO I THINK FUNDING ADOT GRANTS AND STUFF HAD TO DO A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT, BUT, WELL, YEAH, I'VE JUST DRAFTED A LETTER TO ANDY FOR VIEW THAT JOHN AND I WROTE, UM, TO, UM, BRENDAN FOLEY OF ADOT AND FLAGSTAFF ASKING THEM TO USE THAT AS A DISTRICT MINOR PROJECT.

SO WE DON'T KNOW YET.

THAT'S WHY I KIND OF GOT PUSHED OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF ADOT IS GONNA TAKE THE LEAD OR IS THE CITY GONNA TAKE THE LEAD WITH ADOT SUPPORT.

AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE RANGER.

UH, 1 79 SOUTHBOUND RIGHT HAND TURN.

IT'LL BE PART OF OUR FIVE D THAT'S ALL WITHIN ADOT RIGHT AWAY.

SO, AND WHEN WE MET WITH THE, ON OUR QUARTERLY MEETING WITH ADOT, UM, BRENDAN FOLEY SAID YES, HE HAS THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF, UH, DISCRETE MINOR PROJECTS.

SO HE, AND HE GOES, THOSE WOULD BE GOOD ELIGIBLE PROJECTS.

WE NEEDED TO WRITE 'EM A LETTER TO REQUEST IT AND SO ON.

SO, UM, OUR GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO GET ADOT TO DO THIS WITH THEIR TIME AND THEIR MONEY.

AND REMEMBER THIS, UH, ROUNDABOUT METERING WOULD BE THE FIRST IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, SO IT WOULD BE A TEST AS WELL.

SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME DELAY IN GETTING ADOT, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, FACILITATE THAT AND, AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS PROJECT TOO.

SO THEN WHAT I THINK I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT THE REASON WHY YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND SPEND THIS FISCAL YEAR GETTING SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY FOR IT.

AND IF THEY DON'T PAY FOR IT, THEN IT WILL COME BACK IN, IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND WE'RE ALSO DOING, UM, ANALYSIS WITH OUR CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THE MEASUREMENTS OF RIGHT NOW THROUGH AVIS OF WHAT THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO, TO LEVERAGE THAT, UM, TO ADOT.

YOU GOT IT.

I TAG ONTO THAT.

MELISSA, YOU DONE? YES.

I'M HAPPY TO.

BRIAN CAN, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO FIND OUT WHETHER WE CAN GET ADOT TO PAY? UM, UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE HAD OUR, UM, QUARTERLY MEETING WITH THEM EIGHT O2 WEEKS AGO.

UM, THEY SEEMED VERY RECEPTIVE.

SO WE WANTED TO WRITE THIS LETTER AND JUMP ON IT AND THEN WE'LL KEEP FOLLOWING UP, COUNSELOR.

SO MY POINT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, CAN WE PUT A CONTINGENT, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A CONTINGENCY IN THE BUDGET THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET IT FUNDED, GREAT, DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING.

BUT IF THEY SAY NO, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND FUND IT AND GET IT DONE.

IT'S STILL THEIR ROAD.

WE STILL HAVE TO GET EIGHT O APPROVAL.

IT'S THEIR ROAD AND, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT.

SO, SO COULD I MAYBE CLARIFY, THESE ARE SMALL ENOUGH AMOUNTS.

THERE'S ENOUGH BUILT INTO OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM THAT IF WE LUCKED OUT AND ADOT WANTED TO DO SOMETHING FAST, WE COULD EASILY SHIFT SOMETHING ELSE AND MOVE THIS UP TO PRIORITY LIST BECAUSE WE WE AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY.

AND IT'S A LOW COST PROJECT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE OTHERS, RIGHT? SO, BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU TO FOLLOW UP WITH THIS, THAT IT MAY AT LEAST WILL TAKE A

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YEAR.

SO WE NEED A STOP GAP FOR THIS COMING SUMMER THAT WHETHER WE HAVE BODIES, WHOEVER THE BODY IS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A, AND I REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT, OH, THERE'S A, A TRAFFIC REPORT, A TRAFFIC, UM, UH, I KNOW, UH, PD SAID THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF A PLAN WE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THE PLAN.

AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT THE TRAFFIC PLAN IS.

NOT HEIGHT, HEIGHT, UH, UH, SUPER SECRET FOR SOME OF THE OTHER POLICE STUFF THAT I GET.

BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT PLAN IS.

I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, FIND OUT IF WE CAN PUT TCAS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

WE NEED SOMETHING FOR THE SUMMER.

AND IF WE HAVE TO, I KNOW YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF BODIES OUT OF A CLOSET AND PUT 'EM OUT ON 89 A, BUT IT'S, I MEAN, TIME TO DO SOMETHING AS A STOP GAP.

I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT SOME REAL THOUGHT INTO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I I REALLY HESITATE AT THE IDEA OF PUTTING A TCA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE Y AND ROUNDABOUT TO HONEST WITH YOU.

IT'S SOMETHING, SOMETHING I, YOU KNOW, THE AUTHORITY THAT COMES WITH A ACTUAL UNIFORMED OFFICER IS QUITE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE WITH A TCA.

I'M, I'M WELL AWARE.

BUT WE NEED TO KEEP THAT TRAFFIC MOVING.

AND IF THEY, IF THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING OVERTIME, WHICH I'M, I'M SHOCKED ALONG THOSE LINES, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT CLOSE ENOUGH TO SAY WHAT I WOULD HAVE A TCA DO THAT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE.

LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, WHATEVER THE OFFICER'S DOING FOR ALL I KNOW IS NOT REALLY HELPING ANYTHING.

WELL, WE, WELL, IT ACTUALLY DOES MOVE TRAFFIC.

I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF THE LUMINARY.

THIS PAST FALL I WAS COMING DOWN COOKS HILL AND IT WAS ALMOST A, A DEAD STANDSTILL DURING THE LUMINARY AT NIGHTTIME.

AND WHEN I FINALLY WORKED MY WAY TO GET HOME PAST OCK OFFICERS HAD JUST ARRIVED AND THEY STARTED PULLING THAT TRAFFIC.

AND SO I STAYED AROUND BY THE, THE RUG STORE ACROSS THE STREET, THE GARLAND RUG STORE TO WATCH WHAT WAS GOING ON AND A DR.

AND THAT'S JUST AT THE, THAT'S NOT AT THE Y, THAT'S A LOCK P AND IT WAS LOCK P HAD THE EVENT.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF THERE TO PULL TRAFFIC THAT THEY WERE PAYING.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT, BUT HAVING TWO OR THREE OFFICERS THERE MADE A DRAMATIC CHANGE.

I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT MOVING TRAFFIC THROUGH A DRIVEWAY VERSUS THE Y IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

WELL, IT WASN'T SO MUCH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE FOR THE ENTERING AN EXIT LOCK POCKET.

SEEMS LIKE A DEBATE .

RIGHT? I REALLY THANK YOU.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN DEBATES AND I THINK THEY, THE PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH THAT.

THE RESIDENTS WHO DRIVE THROUGH THAT Y DESERVE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO MOVE THAT TRAFFIC.

AND I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE ON IT.

AND MAYBE WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT IT DURING PD.

KURT.

WELL, I JUST, EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW IN THE ROOM AND THE VIEWERS IS THAT, UM, ALL, UM, TRA TRAFFIC JOBS AND THERE'S A BIG CONSTRUCTION JOB.

WE NOW, UM, NATIONWIDE HIRE POLICE OFFICERS WITH RED AND BLUES BECAUSE, UH, TRAFFIC DOES NOT IGNORES AMBER LIGHTS.

IT IGNORES ALL OF THE SIGNS UNTIL YOU HAVE A RED AND BLUE ARMED OFFICER STANDING THERE.

WILL WE GET PEOPLE COMPLY.

AND ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS JOBS IN THIS NATION IS WORKING CONSTRUCTION ON ACTIVE ROAD SITES BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH DESTRUCTIVE DRIVERS.

PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME.

SO THIS IS A HARD DISCUSSION.

UH, PROBABLY WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL IF WE EVER TRY TO PUT SOMEONE OTHER THAN A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO CONTROL TRAFFIC AT THE Y AT ALL, THAT IT WOULD BE.

THIS IS AN EASY, UH, TASK.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I DO.

BUT I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE OVERTIME AND IF THERE'S A SET PLAN IN PLACE AND THE OFFICERS KNOW THAT ON THESE DAYS THERE'S OVERTIME AVAILABLE, IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT IT, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I JUST WONDER, I'M, I'M SHOCKED AT POLICE OFFICER ANYTIME.

IT'S ALSO CHEAPER TO WORK A POLICE OFFICER ON OVERTIME THAN IT IS ON STRAIGHT TIME BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE PENSIONS IN THE CAR ALLOWANCE AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

IT'S ACTUALLY CHEAPER TO, TO WORK THEM ON, ON, UH, ON OVERTIME.

UH, TO ME IT'S UNFATHOMABLE THAT WE CAN'T GET OFFICERS TO DO THIS.

WHAT JESSICA? WELL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA AGREE WITH ME.

NO, NO.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THIS IS NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEY CAN'T ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT POINT, ANDY CAN, ANDY SAID HE DOESN'T WANNA PUT TCAS OUT THERE 'CAUSE IT'S TOO DANGEROUS.

I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE HIM AND I HAPPEN TO, I HAPPEN TO UNDERSTAND THAT TCAS WERE IN DANGER WHEN THEY WERE, WAS TRYING TO STOP PEDESTRIANS.

I REMEMBER THEY, THEY GOT A, SO I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TALK ANYMORE ABOUT I GET IT.

NO, NO, I'M, I'M JUST NO, I AGREE WITH YOU PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY MOVE ON.

MOVE ON.

I THINK KATHY HAD A QUESTION ON ANOTHER TOPIC.

I DID.

THANK

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YOU.

SO ON PAGE, UH, PW THREE, UH, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING PERMITS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, KURT, AS TO THE, UM, FY 25 PROJECTION IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN EITHER THE FY 23 ACTUALS OR THE FY 24 PROJECTIONS.

UM, WHY, WHY, I GUESS THIS IS THE EASIEST QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, I'M RELATIVELY NEW HERE.

SANDY CAN PROBABLY MORE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS JUST ALL OF THE EASY LOTS HAVE BEEN PICKED OVER.

IT'S JUST MORE DIFFICULT TO BUILD IN THE CITY LIMITS NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UM, DURING THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS POST PANDEMIC, THE COST, ALL THE INFLATION ISSUES, IT'S JUST LESS PEOPLE ARE APPLYING.

AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS JUST BECAUSE IF THERE'S GONNA BE A INCREASED WORKLOAD, IF IT DID COME CLOSER TO THE FY 24 PROJECTION, THEN DO WE HAVE STAFF TO HANDLE? 'CAUSE WE HEAR HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET PERMITS THROUGH AND, AND DELAYS AT TIMES.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMEWHERE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR.

ANY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE 23 WAS 4 54, ALTHOUGH THAT WASN'T, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 24, IT WAS ONLY ESTIMATED THREE 70.

BUT 5 0 3 IS WHAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMING THROUGH.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING THE 360.

THE ESTIMATE IS WHAT THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THIS YEAR.

WHEN THEY PREPARED THE BUDGET LAST YEAR, THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE 5 0 3.

AH, THIS GOES BACK TO PETE'S POINT.

THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

YEAH, WE'RE DOING FINE.

KA .

OKAY, KURT, NEXT.

OKAY, SO MOVING ON TO DECISION PACKAGES.

SO THE FIRST DECISION PACKAGE IS PROGRAM MANAGER FOR PARKING AND TRAILS, AND THAT ONE IS RECOMMENDED.

MAYOR? YES.

UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK COUNSEL TO ENTERTAIN A CAVEAT ON THIS ONE THAT GIVEN THAT PARKING IS PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ROLE THAT WE REQUIRE A, UH, IMMEDIATE PARKING FEE INCREASE TO SELF-FUND THIS POSITION.

SO I'D LOVE TO HAVE COUNSEL CONSIDER THAT.

AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY STILL, FOR THIS PARKING MANAGER THAT WOULD BE PARKING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY, THIS PERSON WOULD BE TASKED WITH THAT, NOT JUST TRAILS, OF COURSE.

YOU KNOW, WE, THEY SPOKE ABOUT THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING.

BUT IF, AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS? IS THAT THAT POSITION FOR DOING A TRAFFIC, A PARKING STUDY, UH, LOOKING AT, UM, EVERYTHING, PARKING AND TRAILS? IT'S A DUAL ROLE, YES.

COULD, COULD I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? SO THE FEE INCREASE, SO THE ONLY PARKING THAT WE'RE CHARGING FOR RIGHT NOW IS THE, THE PARKING IN UPTOWN ON MAIN STREET? MM-HMM.

, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS INCREASING THOSE FEES.

I'M, YEP.

PARKING GARAGE, NOT PARKING METERS.

NO, I'M TALKING METERS RIGHT NOW.

DAY, DAY ONE, TRY TO OFFSET YEP.

AS MUCH AS REASONABLY POSSIBLE OF THIS COST.

JESSICA, PARKING METER, UM, KAREN CAN TALK TO THIS MORE THAN I CAN, BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PARKING METER REVENUE, UM, WAS BASICALLY AGREED WITH THE UPTOWN MERCHANTS THAT IT GO TO UPTOWN.

AND SO WOULD THIS BE A PROBLEM? SO THE PARKING, THE PAID PARKING ON MAIN STREET, THAT REVENUE IS ACTUALLY EARMARKED TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THE GARAGE.

MERCHANTS IN THE CONVERSATION AROUND THE FEES, BE ABLE TO BRING THE BENCHMARKS, YOU KNOW, COMPARABLE, UH, PLACES THAT HAVE PAID PARKING FEES, BOTH ON, UH, ON STREET PARKING AS WELL AS THE GARAGE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT THE GARAGE WOULD ALSO BE FEE FUNDED.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS PERSON WILL DO IS ASSESS AND COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND WHAT THE PARKING FEES SHOULD BE.

I SUSPECT THAT THERE WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE THE, THE PARKING FEES ON MAIN STREET.

THE ONLY CAVEAT TO DOING THAT NOW THAT I WOULD JUST PUT OUT THERE FOR A DISCUSSION POINT, IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO COMMITTED TO THE UPTOWN MERCHANTS, AND IF, IF YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE PARKING METER PROGRAM, IT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE THEM AT THE TABLE IN DISCUSSIONS OF ADJUSTING FEES.

SO WHILE IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BETTER ONCE THIS PERSON IS ON BOARD FOR THEM TO ENGAGE THE UPTOWN

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AND AT LEAST GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND THEN BRING IT BACK FOR RECOMMENDATION.

AND THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THEY TAKE A LOOK AT ONCE THEY'RE ON BOARD.

I COULD LIVE WITH THAT.

I HAVE A, I JUST HAVE A FILE.

THIS, I GUESS THIS IS WEEDY, BUT I'M GONNA DO IT ANYWAY.

UM, SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA HANDLE, WE HAD ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT ADJUSTING THE, THE PARKING PRICES, UM, TIME OF DAY OR SEALY, UH, AND WE WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT EXTENSIVE NEGOTIATION WITH THE UPTOWN PEOPLE FOR THAT TOO.

SO, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY ADOPTED.

SO COUNSEL, WHEN YOU ADOPTED THE FEES FOR MAIN STREET, YOU ADO ADOPTED A, AN ELASTICITY, UM, PRICING MODEL.

THAT GAVE A RANGE OF PRICES, WHICH NEVER WAS IMPLEMENTED.

SO IT WAS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT THE DATA THAT WE GOT FROM OCCUPANCY, FROM THOSE SENSORS ON MAIN STREET WOULD BE INSTRUCTIONAL.

AND SO HIGH DEMAND PRICES WOULD GO UP, LOWER DEMAND, THEY WOULD GO DOWN.

THAT NEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE ONE, WE NEVER HAD GOOD DATA AND WE NEVER HAD SOMEONE DEDICATED TO LOOKING AT THE DATA, ASSESSING IT, WORKING WITH THE UPTOWN MERCHANTS, AND THEN IMPLEMENTATION.

BY THE TIME WE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, WE SAID WE'LL GIVE IT A, AT LEAST A FULL YEAR TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND USE THAT DATA TO INFORM FUTURE CHANGES.

AS SOON AS WE GOT TO THAT POINT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING GARAGE AND THAT BECAME CONTROVERSIAL.

AND THEN IT WAS, THE DISCUSSION BECAME SHOULD WE INCREASE PRICES WHEN WE ARE ON THE FENCE ABOUT BUILDING THE GARAGE, WHICH WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WAS A COMMITMENT TO MERCHANTS.

SO IT KIND OF WENT ON HOLD FOR NUMEROUS REASONS.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S TIME, UM, TO REVISIT.

WE WILL NOT HAVE THE OCCUPANCY DATA THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD INITIALLY HAVE UNTIL A SYSTEM GETS PUT IN PLACE THAT WOULD GIVE THAT TO US.

BUT WE KNOW WHEN THE PEAK PERIODS ARE FROM OTHER DATA SOURCES AND WE KNOW WHEN THE LOW PERIODS ARE.

SO WE CAN AT LEAST USE THAT AS A STARTING POINT FOR SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE RATES.

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HAVING THIS PERSON TAKE ON THIS WHOLE THING SORT OF AS A WHOLE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

UH, VICE MAYOR, IT SOUNDS LIKE A FULL-TIME JOB FOR THE PARKING PERSON.

HOW, HOW MUCH DO YOU ANTICIPATE THEY'LL DOING TRAILS AND WHAT WOULD THEY BE DOING WITH THE TRAILS? SO I MIGHT LOOK TO ANDY.

SO THIS IS REALLY, UM, INTENDED TO BE A STEPS PRIMARILY MANAGING THE URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM WITH SOME COORDINATION WITH, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLANNING STAFF, AND THEN THE REGIONAL GROUPS THAT ARE DOING SYSTEM-WIDE, UH, TRAILS PLANNING.

OH, I KNOW, I SEE WHAT THIS WAS.

SO I, I FORESEE IN THE BEGINNING THEIR PORTION OF THEIR TIME GOING TOWARDS STEPS AND THE TRAILS EFFORT BEING PRETTY MINIMAL BASED ON THE DEMAND THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE WITH REGARD TO ALL THESE PARKING THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO LOOK INTO.

WOULD YOU AGREE? I, I WOULD AGREE.

AND WHEN WE GET TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WE'LL ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT A POSITION THERE THAT I THINK CAN ALSO DO SOME TRAIL COORDINATION, UM, WITH THE GROUPS THAT ARE DOING CIRCLE TRAIL AND, AND THE OTHER FOREST WORK.

SO WHEN, WHEN TRACY TALKED ABOUT THIS PO THE A POSITION THAT SHE SUPPORTED, IS IT THIS POSITION? AND IF IT IS THIS POSITION, WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CLEAR WITH TRACY AND THE OTHER FOLKS THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GETTING.

WELL, I TOOK IT THAT IT WAS THIS POSITION THAT SHE WAS SPEAKING IN SOME OH, IT IS.

AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WON'T.

HAVE A CORDON A PERSON FOCUSED ON ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS SINCE YOU BROUGHT THIS UP ORIGINALLY.

THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP RECENTLY THAT THIS POSITION, UH, WOULD BE USEFUL WOULD'VE BEEN THE STUFF AT THE CULTURAL PARK AND THE PARKING PROGRAM AND HOW THAT INTERFACE WITH THE TRAILS IS DONE.

THAT'S A FOCAL POINT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

THERE'S ANOTHER FLOATING QUESTION I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN TODAY TO ASK, OR WHETHER IT'S WHEN SIM COMES, BUT THERE'S A TRAIL CALLED THE BK CONNECTOR THAT RUNS UNDER WHEN, UH, 89 A RIGHT DOWN THE FOREST ROAD AREA.

AND WHAT HAVE WE BEEN THINKING ABOUT ITS IMPACT, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING DOWN THERE AND HOW DOES IT SURVIVE? SO ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT KAREN HAD SAID, THAT PROBABLY THE BIG DEMAND RIGHT NOW IS, IS ON, UH, PARKING.

THERE'S CERTAINLY QUESTIONS THAT ARISE RELATIVE TO TRAILS AND STEPS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO

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ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE JUST TALKING? I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT START.

I MEAN, I, I REALLY APPRECIATED THE WORDS THAT ANDY HAD SAID DURING THE, UH, PRIORITY SESSION WHEN HE STARTED TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS HE ACTUALLY DOES RELATIVE TO TRAILS AND PARKING THAT, UH, SO I THINK THIS IS, IT'S A GREAT START AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE'LL SEE HOW IT MORPHS, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD START.

OH YES, I'M SORRY, MELISSA, GO AHEAD.

SO I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS QUESTION OR NOT, BUT I'M GONNA BRING IT UP BECAUSE KAREN MENTIONED BAD DATA COMING UP FROM, UM, THE SENSORS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY OF DOING PARKING MANAGEMENT, UM, AND COLLECTING THAT DATA.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE I SAW ANY OF THAT IN HERE AROUND, YOU KNOW, UM, GETTING BETTER SENSORS AROUND PARKING SPACES, WHETHER THEY'RE, UM, ON THE, ON THE STREET OR IN THE LOT OUR LOTS WE'RE PLANNING ON KEEPING, OR THE GARAGE, I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN GENERAL TERMS, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE IN HERE THAT FITS BECAUSE WE COULD BE DOING THAT NOW.

TESTING THOSE SYSTEMS OUT NOW WITH COLLECTING BETTER DATA ON THESE, THESE UPTOWN, UM, METERED PARKS.

WE ACTUALLY TALKED IN DEPTH ABOUT THAT AT THE, AT THE, UH, RETREAT.

AND, AND THE BIG DISCUSSION HAD TO DO WITH STEPH NOT HAVING TIME RIGHT NOW.

AND WHILE THEIR SCOPE OF WORK IS NOT, YOU KNOW, PUT IN DETAIL INTO THIS DECISION PACKAGE, I CAN ASSURE YOU IT IS PART OF WHAT WE EXPECT THIS POSITION TO FIRST TAKE ON.

UM, WHAT WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING IS ONCE WE BRING THIS, UH, PARKING MANAGE MANAGER POSITION ON BOARD, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY WILL START TO ASSESS.

AND, AND THAT IS ONE OF 'EM.

AND WE JUST, BETWEEN NOW AND AND BRINGING THAT PERSON ON BOARD, WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE RESOURCES THAT WE CAN ALLOCATE TO THAT AT THE MOMENT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M, MY, UM, MY QUESTION IS REALLY, IS THERE A SIM PROJECT NUMBER SOMEWHERE INSIDE OF ALL OF THESE, OH, MANY SIM PROJECT NUMBERS THAT IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THIS NAVIGATION SYSTEM AND YOU KNOW, IF IT'S INSIDE OF THE GARAGE, WELL, WHY IS IT INSIDE THE GARAGE? BECAUSE WE COULD USE IT ON THE SURFACE STREETS.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ARE WE JUST IGNORING IT UNTIL THIS PERSON COMES ON AND IT'S GONNA SHOW UP IN NEXT YEAR, IT'LL SHOW UP SOMEWHERE OR SO.

SO THAT PARTICULAR ASSESSMENT IS A SMALL ENOUGH PROJECT THAT IT'S REALLY NOT IN ITSELF A CIP.

SO IT FALLS WITHIN OUR OPERATING AREA WHERE WE, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, BUDGETING ALLOCATED.

UM, IT'LL BE A, A, A SEPARATE ASSESSMENT WHILE WE HAVE STARTED LOOKING AT HOW THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED WITH THE GARAGE.

IT'S, IT'S ONLY A HIGH LEVEL LOOK, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO A LEVEL OF SAYING IT WILL BE THIS PROGRAM OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S JUST ONCE WE SELECT A PROGRAM FOR THE OVERALL CITY, HOW WILL THAT BE COORDINATED WITH THE GARAGE EFFORT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.

HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND, MS. JUST ONE SECOND.

KAREN WALKED TO WEIGH IN.

NO, I THINK ANDY ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

GO AHEAD MELISSA.

UM, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT, FOR INSTANCE, SAY TO THE PARKING PERSON, TAGGING ONTO WHAT KAREN HAD SAID ABOUT FEES, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHOEVER YOU WOULD HIRE WOULD, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT FIRST, NOT JUST THE FEES, BUT ALSO HOW DO YOU MANAGE AND GET BETTER DATA SO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE ELASTICITY? YES.

CONTINUING ON.

SO, UH, THANK YOU COUNSELOR DUNN.

I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP ONCE WE GOT AROUND TO THE CIP PROJECTS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN EITHER, SO, YOU KNOW, I DO WANNA SEE US TESTING OUT A PARKING SYSTEM IN FISCAL 25 DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN JULY ONE.

LET'S GET THE PERSON IN PLACE TOTALLY GET THAT.

BUT IS IT A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT DURING FISCAL 25 WE COULD HAVE SOME SENSORS AT 4 0 1 JORDAN OR WHEREVER ELSE AND START GETTING SOME EXPERIENCE AND, AND DATA? I THINK SO.

I MEAN, THIS PERSON'S GONNA REPORT TO KURT, BUT I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

NOW THAT WOULD BE EXACTLY.

AND THE BIG THING IS THE MORE THAT I GET INTO IT, THE MORE HOW EMERGING TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING THINGS.

EVERYTHING WE HAVE IS SO POSTDATED AND I DON'T WANT US TO INVEST IN SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY GONNA BE OUTDATED.

AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.

SO I, I MEAN IT'S GONNA, ONCE WE BRING THIS PERSON ON AND INTERVIEWING, I EXPECT TO LEARN A LOT MORE THAN I CURRENTLY NOW, RIGHT NOW.

BUT THEY HAVE, UM, APPS ON YOUR PHONE

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AND IT MIGHT EVEN TIE INTO THE DESTINATION MARKETING AND RIGHT.

THEY KNOW, SO THEY'RE DRIVING, THEY KNOW WHAT SPACE TO GO TO AND THEN WE HAVE INCENTIVE, THE INCENTIVE PRICING AND, AND HAS 'EM BROUGHT UP NOW TOO, THIS PERSON IS ALSO GONNA BE FACING THE EMPLOYEE PARKING CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING.

IT'S ALSO GONNA BE ATTACKING RESIDENT PARKING AND UP DOWN AND HOW WE'RE GONNA INCORPORATE THAT.

THAT WILL ALSO THEN WILL GENERATE A SIM PROJECT TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN UPTOWN, UM, OUTSIDE THE 89 A ON HOW WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ADDRESS RESIDENT PARKING, ALL THESE OTHER BIG ISSUES.

SO, UM, YEAH, THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE PENDING AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT BETTER ANSWERS FOR YOU SOON.

WITH NEW THINGS OF TECHNOLOGY.

I, I JUST WOULD SUGGEST, I THINK THIS IS INTERESTING TO SEVERAL OF US UP HERE AT LEAST, AND, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S A LINE ITEM IN ANY, THE PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE BRINGING IN THE, UH, UPCOMING SIM REVIEWS.

'CAUSE I THINK WE'LL KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU KAREN.

YEAH, I, RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT INCORPORATED INTO FY 25 IN TERMS OF THE PURCHASE OF THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT OR PROGRAM OR SYSTEM.

SO WE WERE INITIALLY ANTICIPATING THAT FISCAL YEAR 25 WOULD BE A PLANNING YEAR, UM, WITH IMPLEMENTATION IN 26.

IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO ACCELERATE IMPLEMENTATION, THEN WE DO PROBABLY NEED TO ADD A LINE ITEM FOR, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RIGHT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS, BUT GET AN ESTIMATE IN HERE TO GET SOMETHING STARTED IN FY 25.

JESSICA.

WELL, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE, I HONESTLY DON'T SEE THE HUGE PRI NECESSITY TO MOVE RIGHT NOW ON THIS ONE THING.

WE GONNA HIRE A PARK.

I WOULD LIKE THE WHOLE THING TO BE LIKE, AT LEAST GIVEN SOME CONSIDERATION RATHER THAN MOVING HELTER SKELTER ON SORT OF INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS AS, AS WE SORT OF GET INDIVIDUALLY GET EXCITED ABOUT THEM.

I, I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BUMP OTHER STUFF OR THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PRIORITY OF OTHER STUFF.

IF, IF THEY WANT A YEAR TO THINK ABOUT IT AND TO PUT IT INTO A, INTO A WHOLE VIEW OF IT, INTO A WHOLE, INTO A KIND OF, I HATE THE WORLD HOLISTIC, BUT INTO A WIDER CONTEXT OF PARKING AND ACTUALLY HAVE SOME FOCUSED IDEA HOW ABOUT ALL FITS TOGETHER.

I, I REALLY THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY HAVE SAID THEY ARE UNDER, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW THE CAPACITY TO DO IT.

NOW IF WE SAY YOU HAVE TO DO IT, OF COURSE THEY'LL DO IT AND THEY'LL FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO KIND OF PUSH ASIDE.

BUT I, I DON'T SEE THIS RISING TO A LEVEL OF REQUIRING THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT IT.

UM, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S A HUGE EMERGENCY AT THIS POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCELERATED JUST BECAUSE, GEE, IT'S A NEAT IDEA OR BECAUSE IT WILL GIVE YOU MORE ACCURATE DATA, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE NEED RIGHT AT THIS VERY MOMENT.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO, TO DISMISS THE REASON FOR YOUR WANTING TO DO IT.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR DESIRE FOR MORE ACCURATE DATA.

I JUST DON'T THINK THIS RISES TO A LEVEL OF, OF, OF TAKING STAFF OFF STUFF THAT THEY ARE DOING IN ORDER TO SORT OF PUSH IT FORWARD.

NOW POLICY, MELISSA.

SO I THINK THERE'S, UM, SOME MISUNDERSTANDING HERE.

UH, WE'RE NOT ASKING STAFF TO GO AND DO THIS WITH THE STAFF THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.

WE'RE SAYING WHEN THIS PARKING PERSON WERE TO BE HIRED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS PARKING PERSON SAYS, OH, I HAVE A GREAT IDEA.

I ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO THIS, AND WE CAN HELP WITH VISITORS FINDING PARKING IN UPTOWN REALLY QUICKLY.

'CAUSE I I'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH X SYSTEM, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, THAT THERE'S MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO IT TO ALLOW THEM TO DO IT.

SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT SAYING THEY HAVE TO GO DO IT.

NOW THIS IS ABOUT SAYING THAT FROM WHAT WE CAN SEE, THERE'S NO SIM PROJECT WITH BUDGET IN FISCAL YEAR 25 FOR THEM TO PROCEED IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROCEED.

IF NOT, IT JUST BECOMES A CARRYOVER INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO, SO THAT'S ALL I THINK THAT I WAS SAYING.

I DON'T, I CAN'T SPEAK ALL GOOD, BUT, BUT THIS WAS NOT ABOUT SAYING, PLEASE GO DO THIS RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE SAYING.

WE WERE SAYING WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S MONEY IN THE BUDGET.

SO SHOULD THIS INDIVIDUAL WHEN THEY'RE HIRED, SAY I KNOW HOW TO WORK WITH THIS PROJECT NOW AND THAT GETTING THAT DATA WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND NOT JUST WHO'S USING WHAT, WHERE, AND WHY.

IT WILL HELP US DIRECT PEOPLE TO WHERE THERE'S PARKING THAT WE HAVE NOW.

SO THAT TO ME WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I JUST LOVE THE IDEA THAT WE KEEP ON COMING UP

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FIRST WE HAVE THE LIGHTING SYSTEM, NOW WE HAVE PARKING THAT HELPS US NOT TO HAVE TO USE STAFF.

IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY WORK.

AND I BELIEVE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ALREADY USED IN OTHER CITIES.

I DIDN'T KNOW THE VICE MAYOR TOLD ME SHE'S USED, SHE HAS AN APP ON HER PHONE THAT TELLS HER HOW TO GET THERE.

SO NO, I KNOW, BUT HE SAID THAT IT'S EMERGING SO QUICKLY THAT YOU DON'T WANNA PUT STUFF, PERHAPS YOU DON'T WANNA PUT STUFF THAT SHE USED BACK WHEREVER SHE WAS GOING.

ALL I'M SAYING IS WE HEARD YOU, I HEARD YOU TOO.

THAT YOU JUST WANNA PUT MONEY IN.

THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND.

I JUST THINK IT GIVES A MESSAGE TO STAFF VICE MAYOR, DITO, DITO .

DITTO HERE.

YOU DON'T LIKE MY IDEA OF TECHNOLOGY.

NO, I DO, BUT I, I COMPLETELY AGREE.

I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT A PARKING EXPERT WHO WOULD KNOW HOW TO DO THIS, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR CREDENTIALS.

I MEAN, IT IS DONE ALL OVER.

THIS IS NOT NEW.

I AGREE WITH YOU THAT TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, BUT WE COULD SAY THAT ABOUT ANY TECHNOLOGY MOVES FAST.

SO IF WE HIRE SOMEBODY WHO HAS WORKED IN THIS ARENA, KNOWS HOW TO DO IT, CAN IMPLEMENT IT QUICKLY, I WANT MONEY IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE THREE OR FOUR YEARS TILL WE HAVE A GARAGE.

ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF HAVING A GARAGE WAS TO CONSOLIDATE PARKING.

AT LEAST THIS WOULD BE AN INTERIM STEP.

WELL, THE FIRST RESPONSIBILITY WOULD BE WORKING WITH BOB ON THE GARAGE AND THE PARKING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO WEED THAT OUT.

HOW IS THIS GONNA HAPPEN IN THIS DESIGN? AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THAT FLUX.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST POINT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS WHAT WE DO AT THE GARAGE IS WHAT IT'S GONNA DO FOR THE REST OF UPTOWN.

THE PROGRAM, HOW WE FOLLOW AND OCCUPYING FEES, ALL THAT.

OKAY, SO CAN WE TAKE A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN.

I THINK I'M MOVING THIS WELL OR YOU WANNA DO IT AT LATER? I RATHER WE, WE, WE SPOKE BEFORE.

WE'RE GONNA DO IT AFTER, BUT I THINK IT IS A CONSENSUS, IF NOT SIX TO 1, 7, 7 0.

SO 6 1, 6 TO ONE.

BUT LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

BE AND WE HAVE LESS THAN, UH, THREE HOURS LEFT JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY.

SO, UH, WHEN WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO GO, WE'RE NOT EVEN, I DUNNO, SHERRY'S HOLDING US BACK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, BUT YEAH.

SO THE NEXT DECISION PACKAGE, SORRY, IS FOR, UM, A PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTOR POSITION.

THIS ONE WAS, UM, NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME, BUT MAYBE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IF YOU WANNA HEAR DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, KURT CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

SO WE'LL KEEP MOVING.

SO THEN THE NEXT ONE IS FOR A, UM, THIRD, UH, CUSTODIAL MAINTENANCE WORKER, OR FOURTH, FOURTH POSITION, FOURTH CUSTODIAL MAINTENANCE WORKER POSITION, PLUS ALSO A WORK TRUCK.

UM, TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, UM, IT IS RECOMMENDED AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR SOME EVALUATION, UM, ABOUT, UM, IN-HOUSE VERSUS, UM, CONTRACTED AND ALSO EVALUATION OF THE VEHICLE AND WHAT IS THE, THE BEST SOLUTION ON THE VEHICLE.

ANY PRESENTATION? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION OTHERWISE.

SO WE, WE STILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FOR MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAD BEFORE WE TOOK THE BREWER ROAD, UH, BUILDING AND THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE BEFORE.

WE, WELL WE STILL HAVE PARKS AND RECORDS NOW IN BREWER ROAD.

SO THERE'S A LOT MORE MAINTENANCE, NOT LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT.

SO, UH, I TOTALLY GET IT.

WE, IF WE'RE GONNA BE GROWING THE WAY WE'RE GROWING, WE NEED, NEED SOMEONE TO KEEP IT CLEAN.

AND I MEAN OUR STAFF, I WOULD RATHER SEE IT IN-HOUSE.

'CAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN ALL THESE YEARS, EVERY TIME IT'S IN-HOUSE STUFF GETS DONE.

SO, UH, JUST DON'T EVER TAKE LARRY FROM US.

OKAY? BUT , YOU KNOW, I, LARRY AND BRUCE ARE REALLY FABULOUS, BUT UH, TO ME I'D RATHER SEE IT IN HOUSE.

WELL, MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST ADD ON THAT SINCE THE RECOMMENDATION YES.

I GET IT.

SO THE REASON THAT IT'S A PLACEHOLDER.

SO THE FUNDING IS THERE.

UM, BUT EVERY TIME THE CITY ADDS A NEW EMPLOYEE, THE ROLL UP BURDEN ON THAT EMPLOYEE IS SIGNIFICANT.

, RIGHT? ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS, YOU'RE PAYING, YOU KNOW, DARN NEAR JUST AS MUCH, UH, TO OWN THAT BODY AS YOU ARE, THAT YOU'RE PAYING THEM IN WAGE.

SO WHEN WE HAD TRANSITION SEVERAL YEARS AGO FROM A THIRD PARTY OUTSOURCE VENDOR INTO IN-HOUSE STAFF WAS BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING REALLY, REALLY POOR SERVICE.

LEAST TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT AN OUTSOURCED SUPPLEMENT TO THE EXISTING CUSTODIAL SERVICE WE HAVE MAKES BETTER FINANCIAL SENSE THAN ADDING ONE BODY.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST ASKED KURT AND RYAN TO DO, BECAUSE THERE ARE NOW SOME ADDITIONAL SERVICES LOCALLY THAT, UM, WE AT

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SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE EVALUATING.

THAT'S WHAT THE FURTHER ANALYSIS IS CONSISTING OF.

CARRIE, MOVING ON.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT FROM THE DAYS? OKAY.

OKAY, SO THANKS RYAN, THAT WAS HELPFUL.

THE NEXT IS FOR, UM, A FACILITIES MAINTENANCE WORKER.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S THE SUPERVISOR AND A WORKER.

SO JUST THE TWO POSITIONS.

THIS WOULD ADD A THIRD POSITION FOR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, UM, AND ALSO INCLUDES A REQUEST FOR A VEHICLE.

UM, AND IT IS RECOMMENDED, ALTHOUGH THERE IS, UM, A CONTINGENCY ON ANALYZING THE VEHICLE FURTHER AS FAR AS WHAT VEHICLE WOULD BE BEST IN THIS SITUATION, MELISSA, SO THIS IS JUST FOR, FOR CLARITY.

UM, WHAT I BELIEVE I'M HEARING IS IT'S NOT THE HUMAN THAT'S IN QUESTION, IT'S THE VEHICLE THAT'S IN QUESTION.

SO, SO AT THIS POINT WE WOULD SAY IF YOU DIDN'T NEED THE VEHICLE, WE'D BE INTERESTED IN, IN THE PERSON AT, YOU KNOW, THE ROLE.

UM, BUT SINCE YOU'VE TIED THEM TOGETHER, THEN YOU'VE SORT OF PUT YOURSELF INTO A HOLD POSITION UNTIL IT'S DETERMINED.

I'M ASSUMING WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED ANOTHER VEHICLE OR WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS THE RIGHT VEHICLE.

SO WHY, WHY ARE WE WAITING ON VEHICLE ANALYSIS? UM, SO IT WAS REALLY ABOUT THE COSTS INVOLVED FOR THE, UH, EV VEHICLE, THE TYPE OF VEHICLE BEING SELECTED, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LIFECYCLE COSTS, IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN GOING WITH A GAS POWERED VEHICLE, WHICH IS NOT NORMALLY WHAT WE WOULD SEE.

SO TO TO TO FURTHER ANALYZE THE VEHICLE SELECTION.

SO THIS IS, SO THIS IS LIKE SAYING WE WANT TO APPROVE THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHETHER WE WANT A HYBRID PLUGIN OR A HYBRID OR A FULL GAS OR AN EV.

IS THAT EXACTLY MOVING ON.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, CARRY ON.

WELL, GOOD JOB, LARRY.

SO THE NEXT ONE IS FOR, UM, A CITY MAINTENANCE WORKER POSITION, UM, WITH AN ADDITIONAL, UM, TRUCK THAT WOULD BE A WORK TRUCK, UM, AND ALSO SNOWPLOW.

UM, AND THAT ONE WAS, UM, NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME.

UH, BRIAN, THIS IS JUST A GOOD ONE WHERE I JUST WANT TO ASK, HOW IS IT THAT CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDS NO, AND THE CITIZEN WORK GROUP RECOMMENDS? YES.

EIGHT.

OH, LIKE HOW DO WE HAVE THAT KIND OF DISCONNECT? THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SAYING YES, THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE SUPPORTING THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATION AND THE, THE FULL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE HAVE SAYS, UM, CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP FELT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO OBTAIN A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

AFTER MORE SUBSTANTIATION PROVIDED, WE'LL SUPPORT THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION.

I TOTALLY MISSED THAT.

ON, ON ALL OF THOSE.

I WAS LIKE, WHY IS THE CITIZEN GROUP RECOMMENDING AGAINST WHAT THE MAYOR, THEIR MANAGER, CITY MANAGER SAID? SORRY, THEY THEY NEED TO PAY A LITTLE BIT CLOSER ATTENTION.

NO WORRIES.

THEY TRUST, THEY TRUSTED WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE BETTER INFORMATION AND UNDERSTANDING ON IT.

AND WE'RE FINE WITH GOING ALONG WITH CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATION.

WHY DO THE NUMBERS NOT, I MEAN, THEY'RE OFF SLIGHTLY, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THEY'RE OFF.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

EVEN BACK UP TO THE PROGRAM MANAGER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

THE BINDER SAYS 1 47 6 60 AT THE YEAH, SO THERE'S A FOOTNOTE THERE.

SO, UM, OF THE THREE POSITIONS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED MM-HMM, , UM, THE DECISION PACKAGE SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE FULL COST OF THE DECISION PACKAGE IS IN YOUR BOOK.

UM, ON HERE, HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY BEING ADDED? SO THE NUMBERS TIE OUT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET.

8,000 OF IT WAS FOR HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE THAT WILL ACTUALLY GO INTO THE IT BUDGET.

SO THEN THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE, UM, FOR A SUPERVISOR WORK TRUCK, BUT ALSO TO FUNCTION AS A SNOWPLOW.

THIS IS NOT IN, UH, RELATION TO ADDING A POSITION.

IT WAS JUST SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER TRUCK.

UM, SO THIS ONE, UM, DOES HAVE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THIS ONE.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

CARRY ON.

UM, PARKS AND REC REQUEST FOR THE SKATE PARK LIGHTING OF THE 68,500 IS INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL, ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET.

SO ON YOUR, YOUR TOTALS HERE, UM, ON THE SLIDE.

SO GENERAL FUND REQUESTS, UM, PLUS THE,

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SO LAST YEAR WE CENTRALIZED ALL THE FURNITURE PURCHASES IN PUBLIC WORKS.

SO THE NEW POSITIONS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THEIR, UM, FURNITURE REQUESTS ALONG WITH THOSE POSITIONS ARE INCLUDED HERE BEING ADDED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET.

UM, THERE'S UM, A PORTION THAT WOULD COME OUTTA THE STREETS FUND THAT IS ACTUALLY FOR THAT, THAT TRUCK THAT'S A STANDALONE TRUCK.

UM, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN THE PORSCHE'S IT, SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT RECOMMENDED, UM, THAT WOULD ADD TO, UM, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, BUDGET IS THE 455,000 OF THE DECISION PACKAGES, UM, THAT ARE NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME.

THAT WAS 238,000.

READY TO MOVE ON TO CIP? YEP.

I BELIEVE COUNCIL.

SO THERE'S A FEW CATEGORIES OF CIP PROJECTS THAT PUBLIC WORKS MANAGES.

SO THIS FIRST SLIDE IS FOR THE ONES THAT ARE LABELED PW.

SO THERE ARE THREE, UM, PROJECTS, UM, THAT ARE JUST OTHER, UM, PUBLIC WORKS TYPE PROJECTS.

THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE NEW CATEGORY TO START.

IN FISCAL YEAR 25, THERE'S THE CITY HALL, UM, UH, WIND SHOULD SAY WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT.

UM, AND WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING ON THIS WAS SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN CHUNKS IN PHASES TO HELP SPREAD THE COST OUT.

UM, WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE PW NINE, THE, UM, SOLAR PV AND BATTERY STORAGE, UM, AND HOW THE MCKINSTRY FOLKS ARE RECOMMENDING DELAYING THIS AND DOING THE, THE CONTROLS, UM, INSTEAD.

AND THEN, UM, FOR A FUTURE PROJECT, UM, JUST FOR WHATEVER, A PLACEHOLDER FOR IMPROVEMENTS OUT AT THE CULTURAL PARK, WE HAVE $2 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 27.

AND THEN ADDITIONAL, ANY OF THOSE FUTURE COLUMNS.

I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE FUTURE COLUMNS ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.

SO NOW WE GET INTO SIM PROJECTS.

SO, UM, WITH THE SIM PROJECTS, THIS FIRST SLIDE IS JUST ALL THE ONES THAT ARE CARRYOVER PROJECTS.

UM, THERE'S TWO, TWO SEPARATE SLIDES FOR SIM.

UM, QUESTION SHERRY ON, UH, ZERO ONE B, WASN'T THAT DONE? WAS THAT THE NORTHBOUND UPTOWN NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENT? NOW THAT'S JUST A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.

SO WE, WE, WE TRY TO GET THE JOB AS FINISH THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION BEFORE SPRING BREAK, CARRY IT OVER A LITTLE BIT.

NOW THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK IN JUNE AND DO ALL THE PAVING AND STRIPING AND SO ON.

YOU'RE GONNA PAVE THE SAME ROAD OR PAVE? NO, WE'RE GONNA UPTOWN, WE'RE GONNA PA UPTOWN ALL THE WAY TO OWEN B, WHERE IT'S, DIDN'T WE JUST DO THAT FIVE YEARS AGO? OH, YEAH.

SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO FIVE YEARS AGO, THERE WERE SECTIONS THAT WE DIDN'T DO AT THE TIME, AND THEY'RE NOW REALLY NEEDING TO BE REPAVED, BUT YOU'RE GONNA GO THE ENTIRE LENGTH.

SO YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME OF THE ROADS YOU HAVE DONE.

TO, TO JUST GET IT SMOOTH.

AND THAT'S GONNA BE A FULL OVERLAY UNIFORM.

A FULL, UH, IT'LL BE, UH, AND OVERLAY.

SO IT'S NOT A COMPLETE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA MILL ABOUT, YEAH, TWO TO THREE INCHES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE, WE PLAN ON COMING BACK AND, AND WE, SEVERAL WEEKS DOING CORING TO REALLY, UM, DIAL DOWN WHAT THE DEPTH OF THAT MILL WILL BE AND FILL WILL BE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE PROJECT WILL LAST AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.

IT ALSO INCLUDES LIKE MICRO SEALING AND SOME SPOT REPAIRS ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE AS WELL.

AND THEN IT'LL BE FULL STRIPING AND NEW STRIPING IN, UH, ALONG 89 A AS PART OF THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR LIKE ENFORCING, UM, LENGTHY VEHICLES, RVS WITH TRAILERS THAT WERE PARKING AND DRAGGING AND BLOCKING THAT SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC.

SO WHAT I, NOW WHAT'S THE ANTICIPATED TIME OF DOING THIS PROJECT? YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE WINTER, RIGHT? OR BECAUSE IT'S CRACK SEAL.

YOU CAN DO IT IN THE WINTER.

'CAUSE IT'S NOT PAVED, IT'S NOT PAVING.

YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE WINTER.

SO THE, THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO FINISH AS PART OF THIS PROJECT IS, NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMERTIME, IN THE WARMER, IT COULD BE SPRING, BUT AS IT TURNS OUT, IT'S GONNA BE, WE'RE WAITING FOR THE PEAK TRAFFIC CONDITIONS TO PASS BEFORE WE, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR BECAUSE, UH, THE, AND THEN THE AMOUNT, THE PHONE CALLS WE RECEIVED WITH THE, THE PAST NORTHBOUND PLUS, IT'LL BE DONE AT NIGHT, AS I RECALL.

IT'LL BE NIGHT WORK.

'CAUSE THEN IT'S ALL ABOUT TEMPERATURES.

AND SO WHEN OUR OVERNIGHT TEMPERATURES ARE LOW ENOUGH, THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY DO HOT PAVEMENT.

I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT OBVIOUS CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS FROM UPTOWN MERCHANTS.

IN ADVANCE AND EVERYTHING.

YEAH, THERE'LL BE A BIG, UM, PUBLIC OUTREACH WITH THE BUSINESSES TO ALLOW THEM

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WE'VE TALKED TO BUSINESSES SO FAR, THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.

WELL, THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE, IT WAS AMAZING.

QUICK, QUICK, I THINK HALF THE AMOUNT OF TIME, AND IT WAS, THE OUTREACH WAS FABULOUS.

YOU HAD MEETINGS, IF NOT EVERY DAY, EVERY OTHER DAY OR ONCE A WEEK OR SOMETHING UP IN ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS.

THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WAS EVER DONE.

IT WAS REALLY EFFECTIVE.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

SO, I DUNNO IF YOU WERE HERE, KURT, BUT OF COURSE ANDY WAS, AND IT WAS REALLY APPRECIATED.

YOU HAD MM-HMM, LAUREN DOING A LOT OF THE OUTREACH.

IT, IT, OKAY, I WON'T GO ON WITH THAT.

LET'S GO TO, UH, OH THREE A.

SO ON THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED TO BE, UM, DEBT FINANCED.

UM, THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION, I BELIEVE NEXT WEEK TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE MAY 15TH, I BELIEVE IS STILL WHEN PLANNING ON, UM, BRINGING THAT CONTRACT TO COUNSEL.

AND TO TALK FURTHER ABOUT THE DEBT FINANCING, THE PLAN IS THAT WE WOULD TAKE THE, UM, PAID PARKING, THE NET REVENUE FROM THE MAIN STREET, UH, PAID PARKING METERS PROGRAM, AND THEN THE REVENUE FROM THE GARAGE TO PAY FOR THE DEBT SERVICE, UM, ON THE GARAGE.

SO, UM, IS THAT NUMBER THE ACCURATE NUMBER? THE, THE BUDGET AMOUNT HERE? 22 5 9 3? I THINK I WE'RE STILL, STILL STILL REFINING THAT.

WE'RE STILL REFINING THAT THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE IS GONNA BE FINISHED AS WHEN WE SUBMIT THE AGENDA BILL.

JUST WANNA BE SURE.

WILL YOU KNOW THAT NEXT WEEK TRYING REALLY HARD AND THESE NUMBERS THAT ARE LISTED UNDER THE PRIOR YEARS, THAT'S ALL THE MONEY THAT WE'VE SPENT.

EVERYTHING IS IN THERE.

MONEY THAT WE'VE SPENT ON THE DESIGN, ON ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE ON THE LOT ON, IS THERE A MIX OF PROJECTS HERE OR IS IT EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING FOR THE PARKING GARAGE HERE IN OH THREE A THOSE PRIOR YEARS ARE, UM, BUYING THE LAND, ALL OF THAT, EVERYTHING RELATED TO GETTING THAT PROPERTY READY, THE START, THEN IT GOT PUT ON HOLD.

ALL OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PRIOR YEARS CALL.

IN THE PRIOR YEARS IS, UM, ACTUALS UP THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 23.

AND THEN THE ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH THE COST IN 24 WOULD BE.

AND THEN YOU GO TO FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET NUMBER.

THANK YOU, SHERRY.

YOU WANNA GO DOWN THE WHOLE LIST? DO I JUST ASK IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE REST? UM, THERE'S A, A VARIETY OF NOTES THAT I HAVE ON HERE OF LIKE WHERE SOME, SOME OF THE FUNDING COMES FROM.

UM, AND THEN THE LAST COLUMN ON THE SLIDE IS, UM, ALL THE VARIOUS INCREASES TO THOSE BUDGETS ARE INCLUDED HERE IN YOUR BOOK.

A QUICK QUESTION ON, UM, SIM 11 N ON NOT THEIR SHARED USE PATH AND THE DRAINAGE, IS THAT PRICE THREE 3,000,060? IS THAT ACCURATE? OR, THAT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER TOO.

AND WHERE IS THAT PROJECT? I GUESS IT'LL COME UP NEXT WEEK, BUT GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, THE GOOD AFTERNOON, THE, UM, ANTE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY IN DESIGN.

THE DESIGN WILL BE COMPLETED AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.

AND, EXCUSE ME.

SO THOSE, THAT'S AN ESTIMATE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST, BECAUSE THAT IN INCLUDES SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.

AND AS THAT, UH, TECHNOLOGY THING, AGAIN, ON, ON THE BOTTOM TRAFFIC VIDEO CAMERAS.

SO THAT'S, YES, THAT WOULD HELP.

WAIT A SECOND.

YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT? GO AHEAD.

THE VIDEO CAMERA? JUST, YEAH, JUST SO SOMETHING, WHAT'S THE NUMBER? UH, 12 B.

SIM 12 B I'M GETTING THERE.

THAT'S PAGE 50.

SO I'M ALMOST THERE.

ACTUALLY, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TOO.

BEFORE YOU GOT THERE.

I, I SIM 11 BI DON'T SEE THAT ON THE LIST, BUT IT WAS IN, IT WAS IN THE BINDER.

UM, SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT A CARRYOVER PROJECT, THE NO, IT'S NOT.

SO IT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE IT'S GOT AN FY 25 OF 120,000 IN THE BINDER.

YEAH, IT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE FIRST, IT, WE HAVE SO MANY SENT PROJECTS, THEY DON'T FIT ON ONE SLIDE.

SO THE FIRST SLIDE IS JUST CARRYOVER PROJECTS.

AND THEN THE, THE TRAFFIC, I'M LOOKING FOR MY NOTES HERE.

IT'S A LOT OF THIS TO GO THROUGH.

SO YOU JUST LOOK, ADD IT OFF THE LIST AND

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NOT GO THROUGH.

AND WE HAD THE BINDERS AND WE MADE OUR NOTES IN THE BINDERS, SO, OKAY.

SORRY FOR TAKING THE TIME, BUT, SO WHAT IS THE CURRENT VIEWERSHIP ON THOSE TRAFFIC VIDEO CAMERAS? UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT OUT TO PUBLIC.

SO EITHER JUST INTERNAL RIGHT NOW THAT WE USE INTERNALLY.

SO POLICE HAVE ACCESS C'S OFFICE, OURSELVES AND OUR RIGHT OF WAY FOLKS TO MONITOR TRAFFIC.

AND THAT'S FOR THE PURPOSE OF THEN DEPLOYING.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE, YOUR VIEWERSHIP RIGHT NOW, THE TRAFFIC CAMERAS IN UPTOWN, WE JUST WANTED TO PUT IN FOREST IS TO TO HELP YOU WHAT? TO HELP YOU PLAN.

YOU'RE WATCHING THEM.

WE'RE LOOKING AT CONGESTION, WE'RE LOOKING AT PEAK TRAVEL TIMES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, UM, INTERACTIONS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT TCA, UM, DEPLOYMENT, ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE CAN MONITOR, UH, TO SEE WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE.

AND THE $50,000 THAT'S IN HERE FOR FY 25 WOULD BE JUST TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING.

THE SAME THING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? NO, THE PUBLIC VIEWING WOULD ONLY BE STILLS LIKE ARIZONA, 5 1 1.

IF YOU GO TO A DOTS, AND THAT'S THAT WE WOULD PUT ON OUR WEBSITE.

SO IF PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED, THEY CAN GO AND LOOK ON AN ACTIVE.

SO EVERY FIVE MINUTES YOU WOULD GET A STILL PICTURE OF WEATHER TRAFFIC AND SO ON.

AND SO FOR CITIZENS AND PEOPLE TO PLAN AND AHEAD TO SEE WHAT TRAFFIC'S LIKE AT ALAKA HOCKEY OR UPTOWN.

SO THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S BASICALLY, UM, A STILL SHOT OF FIVE MINUTES PRIOR, PURDUE, YES, THAT'S THE PLAN.

HAVE ANYTHING MORE MODERN THAN NOT, YOU KNOW, EITHER IF IT WAS A STEADY VIDEO, IT WOULD TAKE UP TOO MUCH BANDWIDTH OR SOMETHING ONE MINUTE AT A TIME.

THAT'S JUST THE PLAN RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE JUST NOW WE'VE WORKED WITH IT TO, UM, TO MEET IT'S CONCERNS ON SECURITY AND ACCESS THEIR FIREWALLS.

UM, SO NOW WE'VE GOT A VENDOR TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THAT ON MEETING THE CRITERIA.

SO NOW IT'S JUST MAKING SURE WE GET THE CAMERAS WHERE WE HAVE FIBER BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH DATA USE.

ONCE WE HAVE THAT USE, THEN WE WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH WOULD BE UPLOADING THOSE ONTO OUR WEBSITE.

I GOT YOUR QUESTION.

AND YOU THINK THIS IS THE REASON THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THE EXPENDITURE FOR IT TO GO PUBLIC IS, IS IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC REQUESTS OR, YEAH, WE WANT TO EMULATE WHAT A O T'S DOING AND WE WANT TO THEN PROVIDE, UM, BECAUSE CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC AND WEATHER HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE FOR CITIZENS AS PART OF OUR OUTREACH, AS ANOTHER, UH, TOOL FOR PEOPLE TO USE TO, UM, TO MONITOR BEFORE THEY GO IN.

LIKE IF AT UPTOWN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE LOOKING UP THE CANYON OR DOWN THE CANYON OR, UM, IT ACTUALLY WE CAN BE PART OF OUR MARKETING AND OUTREACH FOR, UH, PEOPLE WANTING TO LOOK AT.

IN FACT, WE JUST HAD, UH, ANDY PIPED IN YESTERDAY TO ADD ONE TO OUR, UH, CHEVRON, THE FORMER CHEVRON BUILDING AT THE Y TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE ONE THERE TO, UH, LOOK AT THE Y ROUNDABOUT AGAIN FOR CONGESTION, WEATHER TRAFFIC.

SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO FROM, UH, EAST SIDE OF TOWN NEAR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO SHOPPING, THEY CAN EASILY, WELL, WHAT'S THE TRAFFIC LIKE RIGHT NOW? AND SOMETHING WE'VE ALSO FORGOT TO TALK ABOUT? WEATHER HAS A HUGE DEAL WITH OUR TRAFFIC AND VISITATION HERE.

SO, UM, WE FOUND OUT DURING OUR PEAK TIMES THERE MIGHT BE OUR TCAS, WE SEND THEM HOME AT NOON BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY TRAFFIC.

IF IT'S , COULD, COULD I CLARIFY? I THINK THAT 50,000, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S NOT JUST TO MAKE THE VIDEOS PUBLIC, THAT'S ALSO TO ADD ADDITIONAL CAMERAS.

IT'S TO PURCHASE THE CAMERAS AND SIGN 'EM.

SO WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET IS OUR CURRENT PRIORITY IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING BASED UPON, UM, OUR ACCESS TO FIBER, UM, WHERE THAT LOCATION IS AND WHERE THAT PRIORITY IS.

SO THAT'S AN ONGOING COST THAT WE PAN TO KEEP BRINGING ON CAMERAS.

AGAIN, APPLYING TECHNOLOGY, PROVIDING THAT USE TO CITIZENS AND VISITORS ALIKE.

YOU GOOD? ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS.

HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.

BUT THAT'LL COME TOMORROW.

SO I THINK THE BUDGET'S TOO HIGH IN GENERAL.

VICE MAYOR , THIS IS MY, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF MY ONGOING THEMES.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS.

WE NEVER GET THEM DONE IN ONE YEAR.

WE'RE ALWAYS CARRYING OVER SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF MONEY.

LAST YEAR YOU SAID THIS IS THE YEAR WE WON'T CARRY OVER ANY MONEY 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THESE THINGS AND NOT YET.

WE HAVE HUGE AMOUNT OF CARRY OVER.

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I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BUDGET REDUCED, PARTICULARLY IN THE CIP AREA.

I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS AND SEE WHERE WE COULD CUT BACK.

'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET, THEY'RE ALL NOT GONNA GET DONE.

THEY HAVE NEVER ALL GOTTEN DONE.

AND I KNOW, I KNOW THE WHOLE, UH, PHILOSOPHY OF HAVING A HIGH CAP, YOU KNOW, SO WE, I I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.

I STILL THINK THE BUDGET'S TOO HIGH.

I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND ALL OF IT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT REDUCED AND THIS IS A GREAT PLACE FOR THAT.

MM-HMM, JUST BECAUSE OF OUR PAST EXPERIENCE AND IF THINGS ARE IMPORTANT, THAT'S NOT A HIGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

BY THAT SAME TOKEN, I MEAN, I SEE OTHER PROJECTS ON HERE THAT SORT OF FALL INTO THAT AS WELL, WHERE I DON'T SEE, UM, THE LITTLE HORSE SUPI DON'T SEE THAT ONE REALISTICALLY HAPPENING.

SO YET IT'S ON HERE FOR $115,000.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE WERE HAVING A MORE 25, OH NO, I'M SORRY, 15.

IF WE WERE HAVING A MORE REAL, YOU KNOW, BUDGET THAT REFLECTED REAL, UH, ANTICIPATED COSTS, I WOULD LIKE A KEEN EYE TURNED ON THAT.

BECAUSE NOT THAT I'M SAYING, AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DO I LIKE THE PROJECT? DO I NOT LIKE THE PROJECT? DO I WANNA SEE IT HAPPEN? EVENTUALLY, THIS HAS TO DO WITH DOES THIS BELONG IN THE FY 25 BUDGET? SO, I MEAN, LOOKING AT ALL THE SHARED USE PATHS, NORMALLY YOU DO ONE, MAYBE TWO A YEAR.

DO YOU REALLY NEED ALL THESE OTHERS IN HERE? YOU GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 IN HERE, SHARED USE PAST SEVEN.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE LITTLE HORSE AS IMPORTANT.

COFFEE POT DOES THAT, DOES COFFEE POT CONNECT TWO LEGS TOGETHER? UM, HERE? WHAT'S THAT? THE, UM, WHAT WE, WE'VE GOT, SORRY.

UM, THE 115 FOR LITTLE HORSE IS FOR CONSTRUCTION IN-HOUSE AND WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING THIS LAST YEAR WITH FOREST SERVICE.

SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WITH ALEX NOW BEING THE INTERIM, UM, DISTRICT RANGER, UM, WE'VE GOT A, AN OPENING TO GET THAT DONE.

SO A LOT OF THE SHARED USE PATHS, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS SPREAD THEM OUT.

SO IT'S DESIGNED ONE YEAR AND THEN CONSTRUCTION THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND THE LITTLE HORSES ALONG ONE SEVEN, UH, EIGHT, YEAH, 1 79 ALONG THAT.

SO IT'S ALREADY AN EXISTING, UM, SOCIAL TRAIL THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE.

BUT THE COFFEE POT, IS THAT, UH, UH, SHARED AS ESSENTIAL? IS THAT CONNECTING TO, IS THAT, YEAH, WE'RE TRYING, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT LOOP, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING 89 B, UM, YOU'LL SEE IT NEXT WEEK IN THE SIM UPDATE, IS A PARALLEL PATH TO CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS GETTING THEM OFF 89 A WELL, THAT IS IMPORTANT.

AND, AND COFFEE POT'S GONNA BE TOUGH, BUT IT'S, IT'S CALLED FOR, WE NEED TO GET START ON THAT.

BUT I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR, SOME OF THESE THINGS, IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET DONE, LET'S TAKE THEM OUT OF, OUT OF THE BUDGET TO BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN.

EITHER PUSHING THEM OUT, RIGHT, NOT, NOT FORGETTING THEM.

, BUT MAYBE WHATEVER'S A REALISTIC NUMBER THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY REALLY GONNA DO AND NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE TO PUT OVER TO ANOTHER YEAR, BRIAN? SO IF I, I MEAN THE, THE PAGE 37 IS ALL CARRY OVER.

SO WE'RE ALREADY COMMITTED, WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING MONEY ON EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THAT PAGE, RIGHT? MM-HMM, .

THAT'S, THAT'S CARRYOVER.

SO THE NOTION OF THERE, THERE IS NO PUSHING OFF PER SE IN A PRACTICAL SENSE ON THAT, RIGHT? SO THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, I MEAN, FRANKLY FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S ALL PEANUTS COMPARED TO WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT YEAR.

SO I DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE THERE'S ANY, IF IT'S JUST THE OPTICS OF WHAT'S LOWER, OUR BUDGET, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH TO, TO PUSH OFF WHEN I LOOK AT PAGE 38 BY COMPARISON.

SO, BUT THAT'S JUST SIM PROJECTS.

OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH.

RIGHT? YEAH, IT ALL ADDS UP.

YOU TAKE, YEAH, IT DOES.

A COUPLE OF PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MIC PLEASE, I'M SORRY.

IF HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS AT THAT NUMBER, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE UP TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN MILLION DOLLARS.

SO WHO ARE WE GONNA ASK TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE CIP THEN AND COME BACK? I MEAN, ARE WE GONNA SAY, HEY, COME UP WITH 15 MILLION TO PUSH OFF? LIKE, WHO'S GONNA DO THAT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.

NOT US.

I THINK WE HAVE TO, SO YOU'RE WANTING

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TO GIVE DIRECTION TO, ARE WE GOING TO THROW A NUMBER OUT THERE? JUST THAT FEELS GOOD, EMILY? NO, I THINK A NUMBER THAT IS NOT REALISTICALLY EXPECTED TO HAPPEN IN THAT YEAR AND NOT IT'S GONNA MOVE ON TO FUTURE YEARS.

PUT THAT OFF.

NEVER.

I'M NOT SAYING DON'T DO IT.

I'M JUST SAYING SHERRY.

WELL, UM, CAN I GIVE AN EXAMPLE THOUGH? 'CAUSE JUST TO, TO SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK, THINK IT'LL HELP FRAME SHERRY'S RESPONSE AS WELL.

THE, THE LITTLE HORSE, UM, SUP THAT'S 115,000, BUT THE NEVADA DRIVE TO UPPER RED ROCK LOOP, THAT'S 120,000.

UM, BUT YOU GOT THE TRAFFIC CALMING AT WHITE BEAR ROAD TO PINON.

IS THAT REALISTIC? THAT'S AT 370,000 AND YOU ADD THAT UP, IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, JUST TAKING THOSE AS EXAMPLES.

AND AGAIN, I'VE BEEN UNABLE TO RECONCILE MY NOTES IN HERE WITH THIS YET, SO I'M A LITTLE ALL OVER THE MAP.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT HERE, WE'VE GOT 675,000 FOR THE SHELBY TOO.

UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS SIGNIFICANT BUCKS.

OKAY, SO ARE WE GOING TO JUST SAY, HEY, STAFF? YEAH.

COME UP WITH, BE PRACTICAL AND COME BACK TOMORROW LET'S, AND TELL US, LET WHAT TO PUSH OFF? YES.

SO, UM, PART OF TOMORROW WE WILL LOOK AT THE, THE CIP PLAN AS A WHOLE.

AND I HAVE A SLIDE THAT ACTUALLY PUTS IN THERE LIKE THE GARAGES AT THE TOP WITH THE HIGHEST DOLLAR AMOUNT AND FOREST ROAD AND LIKE ALL THE VARIOUS, UM, THE HIGH DOLLAR PROJECTS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE IMPACTS.

UM, BUT I ALSO HAVE BUILT INTO THE LONG RANGE FORECAST MODEL, UM, BASED OFF OF SOME OF, UM, HOW MUCH WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET DONE.

UM, SOME SCENARIOS IN THERE OF WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF WE REDUCE, UM, HOW MUCH, UM, WE'RE PUTTING IN THE BUDGET, UM, FOR, FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE.

UM, BUT I WILL WILL SAY THIS HAS BEEN THE HARDEST YEAR SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE.

UM, I'VE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT FROM DEPARTMENT REQUESTS AND COMPILING EVERYTHING, LIKE NORMALLY LIKE THE BUDGET IS BALANCED AND IT'S JUST REALLY JUST PRIORITIZING AND DO WE WANNA DO THIS NOW OR NOT DO THIS NOW WE STARTED OFF WITH, WE WEREN'T BALANCED BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF ALL THE REQUESTS.

AND WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE LIST THREE TIMES.

WE'VE HAD THREE MEETINGS ON IT TO GET TO THIS POINT.

SO, UM, A LOT OF EFFORT'S BEEN PUT INTO IT, UM, WITH THE GARAGE AND FOREST WROTE AND SOME OF THESE BIG PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN I ORDERED THEM BASED OFF OF THE SIZE.

UM, I'M KIND OF IN THE SITUATION OF LIKE, OKAY, SO I THINK SOME OF THIS STUFF REALLY IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD NOW, AND I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT CUTTING IT TOO MUCH.

WHEREAS IN PAST YEARS I'VE BEEN LIKE, OKAY, LIKE THIS NUMBER IS REALLY TOO HIGH.

I THINK MAYBE FOR THIS YEAR, MAYBE THERE'S SOME PRIORITIZATION, RIGHT? UM, THAT COULD BE DONE.

UM, BUT WE HAVE SOME BIG DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT, THAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN ON.

HOW MUCH HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED? IT'S WHAT YOU SAID LAST YEAR.

YEAH, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW THE GARAGE WAS GONNA GET POSTPONED , SO SOMETHING ALWAYS GETS POSTPONED.

WELL, SO MAYOR, YES.

IF WE CAN MOVE ON, I'VE, I'VE BEEN WAITING ON ANOTHER QUESTION.

YEP, WE GOOD? PLEASE.

SO ON SIM FIVE E, THE FOREST RANGER 89 A ROUNDABOUT.

SO WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE DESIGN IN FISCAL 25, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM HERE.

BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA HOLD OFF TILL 27 TO BUILD IT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THAT WAS A PROJECT WE PUSHED BECAUSE NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, POTENTIAL GRANT FUNDING AND COORDINATING WITH ADOT.

UM, SO DO WE HAVE THAT GRANT FUNDING? NO, WE, WE GOTTA APPLY FOR IT.

THAT'S WHAT THE BIG DELAY FOR, SO.

'CAUSE THE, THE, THE WE'RE AT DESIGN, THE, THE NOTE SAYS INCLUDES GRANT FUNDING OF THREE EIGHT, SO THAT'S HOPED FOR.

AND THAT'S AGAIN, LIKE WHAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE, AS SOON AS WE GET GRANT FEDERAL FUNDING MM-HMM.

, THEN IT ADDS A LOT MORE TIME.

UM, BUT WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING 85, YOU KNOW, 15 CENTS TO THE DOLLAR.

SO THERE'S THAT, THERE'S THAT BALANCE.

AND SINCE IT'S IN ADOT RIGHT AWAY, WE HAVE TO GET, UM, ADOT PERMISSION AND THEN WE ARE INCLUDING WHAT, UM, UM, COUNCILMAN FURMAN MENTIONED ABOUT THE UNDERPASS TUNNELS ABOUT TRYING TO INCLUDE SHARED USE PATH AND UM, AND IT'S ALSO DOING A LOT WITH SOLDIERS WASH AND KURT, DOES THAT AMOUNT ALSO INCLUDE SORT OF THE DECONSTRUCTION OF THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT? YEAH, THAT'LL BE VERY MINIMAL.

IT'LL JUST BE A RIGHT TURN, RIGHT TURN OUT.

SO THAT WON'T BE A, A HUGE PART OF THIS COST.

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PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.

I BEG YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, IF YOU'RE GONNA START SIM 11 V GET THE NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVED AT THE BEGINNING.

THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS.

WHICH ONE? 11 V 11 V TO UPPER RED ROCK LOOP ROAD.

THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS GONNA PUSH BACK.

YOU THOUGHT SAFE PLACE TO PARK WAS CONTENTIOUS.

THIS WILL BE WORSE.

THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

I BEG YOU TO GET THEM INVOLVED AT THE BEGINNING OR NOT DO IT.

OR NOT DO IT.

AND THOSE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT WE COULD COME ACROSS AS WELL THAT THESE MIGHT GET PUSHED BACK SO MUCH THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT, NOT VALID.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IMPLEMENTING, UH, WHERE WE GO OUT MEET DOOR TO DOOR, UM, WE HAVE, UH, BETA B PR THAT WE DO A REALLY ROBUST ACTIVE.

THEY, THEY HAVE AN HOAI SUGGEST YOU PRESENT TO THEM, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING AT, AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR THE LIBRARY.

DO DO IT THAT WAY.

ANDY.

I, I'M AWARE, I I WAS HERE AND HELPED MANAGE THE PROJECT WHEN WE REBUILT THE INTERSECTION THERE AT DEL SOUL.

AND SO I'VE WORKED WITH THOSE FOLKS OVER THERE AND, UH, I HATE THE IDEA OF IT BEING SUCH A HORRIBLE ENDEAVOR TO BRING IN A S JUICE PATH TO AN AREA, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST HERE.

SO, AND THEN ONCE YOU GET PAST BRISTOL CONE, YOU'VE GOT THE SUMMIT.

AND THAT'S PRIVATE, ISN'T IT? THERE'S SIDEWALK THERE ALREADY.

HUH? THERE'S SIDEWALK THERE ALREADY.

AND THERE IS A SIDEWALK.

THERE'S A SIDEWALK IN BOTH PLACES.

PART OF WHAT WE'LL DO WITH THIS PROJECT THOUGH, IS WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ALIGNMENT ALTERNATIVES WHERE WE MIGHT REDUCE THE IMPACT.

UM, DARE I SAY, WE MIGHT BYPASS THE SUMMIT ALTOGETHER.

I, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE.

COUNCIL WILLIAMSON.

YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE GOING TO, WHO ARE WEALTHY PEOPLE AND ARE GOING TO BE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO IT, PERHAPS THE BIKE BICYCLE PEOPLE AND OTHERS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UM, WIDER INTEREST IN THE KIND OF PHILOSOPHY AND PRACTICALITY BEHIND SHARED USE PATHS CAN ALSO BE, UH, CON CONSULTED.

UM, I NOT DOING A PROJECT FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT IT.

IF THAT'S THE ROAD WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN, THAT'LL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO BE ON COUNCIL BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T BOTHER YOU.

PEOPLE, IF YOU REMEMBER VODI ABSOLUTE HYSTERIA THAT WAS GOING TO DESTROY THEIR LIVES.

AND AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, IT HASN'T DESTROYED THEIR LIVES.

SO I JUST, I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT OR DON'T DO IT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T GONNA LIKE IT BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA LIKE IT.

LET'S NOT DO ANY NEW PROJECTS IN ANYBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN IT'LL BE MUCH EASIER TO BE UP HERE.

THANK YOU, JESSICA.

UH, HAVE WE BEATEN THIS HORSE? OKAY, NEXT.

SHERRY.

KURT.

ARE WE DONE WITH SIM? UH, I CERTAINLY HOPE SO.

AT LEAST UNTIL NEXT WEEK.

YOU WANNA USE DRAINAGE? DRAINAGE? SO STORM DRAINAGE PROJECTS.

UM, SO WE HAVE A PROJECT FOR SADDLE ROCK AREA IMPROVEMENT, UM, AND THEN A COUPLE FUTURE PROJECTS, VIEW DRIVE AREA DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT, AND THE MYSTIC HILLS LIFT STATION ACCESS.

DIDN'T WE JUST DO, UH, MR. HILLS? OH, I'M SORRY.

I'M THINKING BACK OR BEYOND.

SO STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION.

SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE? I'M SEEING NONE.

HOLD ON.

SADDLE ROCK.

OH, YES, COUNSEL.

SO, SO I, I I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE WHAT IS THE DEMONSTRATED NEED ON THE SADDLE ROCK AREA? CAN YOU PLEASE DO YOUR MIC? I'M SORRY.

I KEEP PUSHING IT AWAY BECAUSE MY BINDER KEEPS HITTING IT .

I'LL, I NEED TO ASK WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UM, WHAT IS THE DEMONSTRATED NEED ON THE SADDLE ROCK AREA IMPROVEMENT? BECAUSE, YEAH, THANK YOU, SANDY, BECAUSE I, UM, WAS ACTUALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT WITH SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THAT AREA WHO WAS LIKE, WHAT? I DON'T, I LIVE RIGHT THERE.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE.

SO MAKE ME SAY, OKAY,

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THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR QUITE A WHILE.

SO, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A NEED GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STORMWATER MASTER PLAN THAT WE COMPLETED IN 2005.

YES, .

UM, SO YEAH, WE, WE'VE BEEN KICKING THE CAN ON THIS PROJECT FOR MANY YEARS.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, AND WE GET 300,000 APPROXIMATELY FROM YAVAPAI COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL EVERY YEAR.

AND SO WE TRY TO IDENTIFY EVERY YEAR A PROJECT WITHIN YAVAPAI COUNTY STORM DRAIN.

AND SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS IF IT'S STILL A NEED, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT, UM, PROPOSAL, I KNOW THERE'S A PROJECT AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT'S ALSO PROPOSED, SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND UPDATE IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS NUMBER IS.

AND, AND TRUTHFULLY, THE, UM, THE FUNDS THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY GET FROM YAVAPAI COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL WOULD COVER THAT AMOUNT.

JESSICA? YEAH.

I GUESS, CAN YOU RECALL WHAT THIS, WHAT THE PROBLEM ACTUALLY WAS IN 2 0 5 THAT THIS ADDRESSED? AND, AND IT'S BEEN, WHAT, ALMOST 20 YEARS SINCE THEN.

I'VE, I MEAN, I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS FROM NEIGHBORS WHERE THE, UM, RUNOFF DOWN THE CUL-DE-SAC.

SO, AND ALSO, SO IT'S CALLED ALSO WASHING PEOPLE OUT.

THERE'S AREAS, IT'S RUNDOWN, IT'S RUNOFF.

JESSICA DOWN.

CAN YOU LET SANDY FINISH? NO, I'M GONNA REPEAT WHAT SHE SAID.

NO, YOU GO ON SANDY.

I JUST, IT WAS RUNOFF THAT'S GONE THROUGH PEOPLE'S YARD.

THERE'S SIGNIFICANT RUNOFF IN THE AREA.

SO THEY'VE ASKED FOR HELP.

SO WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT IT.

SO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT LIVE FARTHER UP THE HILL MAY NOT HAVE EXPERIENCED THE PROBLEMS THAT SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPERIENCED.

I I WOULD CLARIFY TOO, IF I COULD THAT WE DO HAVE MAPPED LOCAL FLOODPLAINS THROUGH THIS, THIS AREA.

SO THERE ARE IDENTIFIED FLOOD HAZARDS IN THIS AREA.

UH, IT, UM, SO IT'S PRIORITY LEVEL ISN'T IMPORTANT RATHER THAN AN ESSENTIAL, WHICH IS A LEVEL DOWN.

RIGHT? IT'S WHAT A THREE AS OPPOSED.

SO WHY WOULD, IF THIS NEED HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED, WHY WOULDN'T THIS BE RATED AS AN ESSENTIAL VERSUS AN IMPORTANT GO AHEAD.

UH, FROM, FROM MY OPINION, THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT YOU COULD MAYBE SANDY AGREES OKAY.

THAT YOU COULD PUSH OUT.

HOW RECENT ARE THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE WERE COMPLAINTS GOING BACK 20 YEARS AGO.

IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE GOT THAT SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT WHERE WE GOT TWO AND A HALF INCHES AND 40 MINUTES.

AND SO THAT'S WHEN THAT SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE OCCURRED.

SO WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT, UM, ADVANCEMENTS ON OUR STORM DRAIN SYSTEM.

AND SO WHEN WE HAVE THOSE BIG EVENTS, THEN WE SEE SMALL AREAS THAT NEED ADDITIONAL HELP.

SO YOU BOTH AGREE THIS IS ONE THAT COULD BE PUSHED OUT FOR, FOR EVALUATION? YEAH.

THE ONLY OTHER CAVEAT I WOULD THROW OUT THERE IS THE WAY OUR STORM STORMWATER PROGRAM HAS WORKED IS, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY GOT EMPHASIZED AND HIGHLIGHTED AND PRIORITIZED WHEN WE HAD MAJOR FLOODING EVENTS.

WE, WE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS, THEN WE BACKED OFF AND SHIFTED FOCUS TO TRANSPORTATION AND RIGHT.

AND OTHER AREAS.

SO PROJECTS IN THIS CATEGORY DON'T BECOME A HIGHLIGHT AND A, AND A PRIORITY UNTIL WE HAVE A MAJOR EVENT THAT JUST HAPPENS TO HIT THAT AREA.

AND, AND SO, BUT YOU ALSO, BEFORE THAT MAJOR EVENT, YOU DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE HAS ACTUALLY MITIGATED THE PROBLEM ENOUGH.

SO IT'S, IT'S A HARD ONE.

YOU NEED A CRYSTAL BALL.

I GET IT.

IN, IN THIS, IN THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY, IT'S KIND OF AT THE, YOU MIGHT SAY THE UPPER END AT LEAST OF THE DEVELOPED AREA OF THAT PARTICULAR BASE BASIN.

'CAUSE THAT BASIN REACHES UP INTO AIRPORT MESA.

THIS IS IN, YOU HAVE PIKE COUNTY.

WHEREAS TO YOUR POINT, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT SOMETHING BELOW HARMONY AREA, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE WE'VE MADE MAJOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, WE, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE ALREADY MADE BEFORE WE MAKE ADDITIONAL.

AND I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.

YOU SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE, THE MONEY WOULD BE COMING IN TO COMPENSATE FOR THE EXPENDITURE.

IF THIS PROJECT WAS DELAYED, COULD THAT MONEY BE ALLOCATED TO OTHER PROJECTS? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S ONLY FOR DRAINAGE PROJECTS.

SO IT WOULD, FROM AND OF THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS, WE HAVE TWO AND OUT YEARS ANYWAY.

SO IT'S, IF YOU DON'T DO THIS ONE, WE THEN WOULD LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT MONEY.

IS THAT RIGHT? SO YES.

UM, EACH YEAR WE GET ABOUT 300,000 OR SO FROM, YOU HAVE PIKE COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL, WHICH IS,

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UM, SO YEAH, IF WE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, UNLESS WE MAKE A PRE-ARRANGED AGREEMENT WITH YET BY COUNTY, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE MONEY THIS YEAR.

BUT NEXT YEAR WE'D LIKE MORE I TRUST THEN WE MIGHT JUST LOSE OUT ON IT.

AND I WOULD ARGUE YOU ALSO, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THAT SD OH EIGHT IS ACTUALLY A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN SD OH FIVE, WHICH, BUT IT'S IN COCONINO.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUSHING ON COCONINO COUNTY FOR A CONTROL DISTRICT.

UM, HARD TO GET SOME BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T WANNA LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY EITHER, YOU KNOW.

SO THIS IS WENT TO WEIGH, OKAY.

IS COCONINO GIVING US DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR IN RETURN? WE'RE GETTING, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING FROM THEM FOR QUITE A WHILE.

SO COCONINO CORRECT.

I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE KNOWN THAT.

UH, JESSICA, IS THIS A PROJECT THAT CAN GET DONE EASILY THIS YEAR? THIS IS JUST THE STUDY, YEAH.

20 AND THAT CAN EASILY BE SPENT THIS YEAR FY 24 OR ARE YOU FY 25? ARE YOU 25? YES.

SO, I MEAN, I HAVE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT A PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE CONCERN THAT SOME THINGS ARE NOT GONNA BE DONE.

WE HAVE A SMALL PROJECT THAT SERVES A NEED THAT PE IT IS STRAIGHT PEOPLE'S PROPERTY THAT WE KNOW WE CAN GET DONE THIS YEAR THAT'S NOT LIKELY TO GET PUSHED OFF.

AND YET, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME KIND OF ARBITRARY IDEA THAT WE WANNA NOT HAVE A BIG BUDGET, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CONSIDER NOT DOING.

THAT MAKES, NO, I MEAN, JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT JUST PUSHING OFF THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS TO JUST REDU TO REDUCE A BUDGET WHEN FRANKLY WE HAVE HUGE PROJECTS THAT WE ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES ARE AND AREN'T GONNA BE DELAYED.

THIS IS ONE THAT WE KNOW WE CAN DO.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS, OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE BEEN HURT BY THIS AND WE CAN DO IT.

SO I, I JUST WONDER, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF JUST RANDOMLY DECIDING SOMETHING CAN BE PUT OFF THAT WAY IS, IS REALLY THE WAY WE SHOULD BE PROCEEDING WITH, WITH, WITH DOING THAT.

UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA.

YEAH, I JUST, UM, DO NEED TO SAY THAT I THINK USING WORDS LIKE ARBITRARY AND RANDOM, UH, ARE OFFENSIVE BECAUSE THIS IS THE, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE AS BODY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THE DIVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TO SPEND THE PUBLIC MONEY.

SO I I, I AM OFFENDED BY THAT LANGUAGE.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I THINK I'D LIKE TO, PETE OKAY.

WEIGH IN HERE SINCE I'VE STAYED SILENT ON THIS ISSUE SO FAR.

UH, UH, I WILL ADMIT TO ALSO NOT HAVING COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF THE PUSH HERE TO CUT PRO, PUT KICK PROJECTS INTO THE FUTURE.

CUT THE BUDGET HERE.

THESE ARE REAL PROJECTS AND THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND, AND VETTED OVER TIME.

AND, AND, AND ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES, MANY TIMES WE DON'T ACTUALLY GET TO SPENDING ALL THE MONEY, WE'RE AT LEAST PLANNING, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO DO IT.

AND IF WE JUST KICK PROJECTS INTO THE FUTURE, WE'RE GONNA FREE UP MONEY IN THE BUDGET HERE SOMEWHERE THAT'S GONNA SHOW UP SOMEWHERE AS UNALLOCATED NOW.

AND I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE PRESSURE TO SPEND THAT MONEY, YOU KNOW, AT, AT SOME POINT.

AND, AND THESE ARE REAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND PRIORITIZED OVER TIME.

AND SO I'M QUITE CAUTIOUS ABOUT WANTING TO SELECT THINGS AND, AND MOVE 'EM.

I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO HERE IN THE DIALOGUE.

THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING, THAT'S FOR SURE.

BUT SIM HAS ALWAYS BEEN EXPENSIVE.

IT'S DOING NOTHING BUT GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE.

AND THE MORE WE PUSH THINGS OFF INTO THE FUTURE, THE MORE IT WILL GET EXPENSIVE.

SO I'M JUST SENSITIVE TO THE GOAL, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, AND THE CONSEQUENCES THAT WE HAVEN'T YET SEEN ABOUT.

LET'S DO A BIG SLASHING EXERCISE AND REDUCE THE BUDGET, BUT THAT MONEY'S GONNA SHOW UP SOMEWHERE AND THERE'S GONNA BE PRESSURE TO USE IT.

I HAVEN'T WAITED.

ARE YOU DONE? OKAY.

I HAVEN'T WAITED YET, BUT I THINK SANDY WAS VERY COMPELLING, WHICH YOU SPOKE ABOUT.

BY COUNTY FLOOD MONEY.

WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT MONEY IF WE COULD DO A PROJECT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS ANYBODY'S INTENT OF JUST SLASHING THE BUDGET.

THAT WAS NOBODY'S INTENT TO SAY THAT.

IT'S A MATTER OF, IF WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET TO IT, THEN JUST PUT IT OFF TO A TIME WHERE WE WOULD GET TO IT.

THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT WAS SAID.

MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS SAID.

NOT TO JUST SLASH TO SLASH ESPECIALLY IF MONEY'S COMING IN, WE MIGHT LOSE THAT.

I'M NOT ALL THAT KEEN ABOUT GIVING OUT BY COUNTY ANY OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE MONEY.

THEY'VE TAKEN A LOT OF MONEY OUT OF OUR, OUT OF OUR LIBRARY.

COMMENT, MAYOR, THAT, THAT REMEMBER THERE'S SHARED USE PATH WHERE IT'S APPLICABLE.

AND I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER AREAS, LET ALONE THE COLLEGES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT, UH, IF MONEY'S GONNA BE COMING IN, I CERTAINLY WOULD SUPPORT MAKING SURE WE MOVE FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO LOSING THAT MONEY.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE NOW HAVE, UH, JUST TWO HOURS LEFT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER.

I JUST HAVE A GENERAL

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WE DO DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS WITH IT WHENEVER IT'S APPLICABLE.

WHEN WE'RE DOING SIM PROJECTS, WE DO DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO IN OUR SIM WE, WE WE'RE HANDLING THESE ISSUES AS THEY MOVE ALONG, AS THEY BECOME, AND WE TRY AND INCORPORATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITHIN THOSE PROJECTS TO MAKE NET IMPROVEMENTS.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK WHAT THE VICE MAYOR WAS TRYING TO SAY, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO IT BECAUSE OF STAFF LIMITATIONS OR WHATEVER, THEN PUT THAT PROJECT OFF ANOTHER YEAR ALONG WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SPENDING TO BRING THAT DOWN.

BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT BY, BY ALL MEANS, ESPECIALLY WITH DRAINAGE, I WOULD SUPPORT DOING IT AS LONG AS IT CAN GET DONE.

WE DON'T WANNA HEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

IT DIDN'T.

IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? SO LET'S MOVE ON.

SO ARE WE DONE WITH THE, UM, CIP THERE'S ONE MORE SECTION I SEE.

SO THE STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION CIP PROJECTS ARE STREETS RELATED PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT PART OF SIM AND NOT PAID BY THE, THE SIM HALF CENT SALES TAX.

OOPS.

SO, UM, THERE IS THE CARRYOVER OF THE BACK OR BEYOND ROAD AND TRAILHEAD SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, UM, PROJECT.

AND THEN, UM, AN ADDITION OF A NEW PROJECT FOR CITYWIDE SAFETY ANALYSIS CORRIDOR STUDIES.

BRIAN, THANK YOU.

SO I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ST OH SEVEN.

FIRST OFF, WHY, IF, IF IT'S A CARRYOVER, WHY IS THERE NOTHING IN THE BUDGET FOR 25? BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT GRANT FUNDING AND, UM, RIGHT NOW WE WERE DENIED A, A GRANT APPLICATION.

WE'RE REEVALUATING, SO HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT GRANT RESOURCE FROM FEDERAL HIGHWAYS.

SO WE WOULD BE DIRECTLY, UH, DIRECTLY WORKING WITH FEDERAL HIGHWAYS OUTTA WASHINGTON DC AND WE JUST HAD THIS MEETING, UM, THIS WEEK AND WE'RE REALLY, UM, OPTIMISTIC THAT THAT'S GONNA REALLY COME UP FOR, IT'S MORE, UH, THE GRANT IS MORE SITUA OR THE CONDITIONS OF THE GRANT MEET OUR OBJECTIVES FOR THE BACK AND BEYOND SHARED USE PATH.

UM, AND WE'RE REALLY CONFIDENT WITH THIS IS THIS IS A BETTER DIRECTION AND THEY HAVE A MUCH HIGHER PAYING, UH, RATE PER RATIO.

BUT THIS PROJECT ONLY EXISTS IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO FACILITATE HAVING THAT TRAILHEAD FOR CATHEDRAL ON BACK OF BEYOND.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANNA SPEND ANOTHER DIME ON BACK OF BEYOND ROAD.

I WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, A RESIDENT'S IDEA THAT I THINK IS BRILLIANT FOR ACCESSING CATHEDRAL FROM 1 79.

AND WE SHOULD PUT OUR MONEY INTO THAT.

THAT THAT'S THIS, THAT'S, THIS GRANT'S GONNA LOOK AT, UH, ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS THAT WOULD, A THIRD PARTY WOULD COME IN, UH, AND LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ACCESS ROUTES OTHER THAN BACK AND BEYOND.

SO THEN WE CAN USE THIS TO ENGAGE THE FOREST SERVICE ABOUT HAVING ANOTHER ACCESS AND RE REMIND THE, UM, THE COUNCIL AND OTHER VIEWERS.

2026 IS THE NEW FUNDING GRANT FOR THE FEDERAL LANDS ACCESS PROJECT THAT I'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, ALEX.

AND WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TEAMING OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SHOW, UM, THIS ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS OF HOW WE CAN USE A, ANOTHER ROUTE OTHER THAN BACK AND BEYOND.

THIS WHOLE POINT IS TRYING TO REDUCE, UH, FRICTION AND POTENTIAL NEAR MISSES WITH THE BICYCLISTS AND, UH, PEDESTRIANS ON BACK AND BEYOND.

SO IDEALLY, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T WIND UP DOING ANYTHING ON BACK AND BEYOND.

WE WOULD USE THIS ANALYSIS TO GET, HOPEFULLY THE FOREST SERVICE TO ALIGN WITH OUR DESIRES, ASSUMING THAT THAT WAS IN FACT THE DESIRE.

AND SO WE WOULDN'T SPEND THAT MONEY ON BACK OR BEYOND.

AND, AND IN ALL POINT WE WOULD JUST BE USING CITY MONEY TO MATCH WHAT THIS FEDERAL GRANT WOULD DO TO COME UP WITH THAT AND SHOW THAT AND THEN TO REMIND THE COUNCIL IF FEDERAL HIGHWAYS APPROVES THIS PROJECTS AND MOVES FORWARDS, THEY WOULD DIRECT IT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE SAYING YOU WILL DO THIS.

I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT.

YEAH, IT'S, TO ME, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO GO TO SHOW THE POINT THAT THIS IS BIGGER THAN THE CITY OF SEDONA.

AWESOME.

THANKS KURT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE OR ON, ON ANYTHING PUBLIC WORKS? OKAY.

YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

A GRANT APPLICATIONS TO DO THIS, IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

THE CITYWIDE SAFETY ANALYSIS CORRIDOR, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION REENTRY PLANNING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING? IS THIS CONSIDERED LIKE A EXTENSION OF THAT OR A TIE INTO THAT OR, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE MORE PLEASE.

YES, THIS IS SOLELY FOR THE A CITYWIDE LOOK.

THAT WAS RE THE REASON WHY OUR BACK AND BEYOND, UM, GRANT APPLICATION, UH, WAS DENIED WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TRAFFIC ANALYSIS FOR BACK AND BEYOND.

SO NOW WE, UH, AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT

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SO WE WE'RE GONNA DO IT CITYWIDE.

SO MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS WHOLE ANALYSIS.

SO WE'LL BE, UH, QUALIFY FOR OTHER GRANT FUNDING TO DO THESE OTHER GREAT.

AND SAME THING, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE FY 25 'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GRANT MONEY FOR IT.

SEEING NOTHING ELSE FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

UM, SO JUST ONE MORE SLIDE ON PUBLIC WORKS.

UM, THEY, THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING ANY FEE CHANGES FOR ANY, ANYBODY.

I GOT THAT.

SO POLICE DEPARTMENT IS UP NEXT.

WHY DON'T WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK FOR TWO HOURS.

IN BETWEEN PD GIVE THE POLICE, UH, TIME TO SETTLE IN.

WE WILL BE BACK AT, UH, THREE 16 OR 15.

PLEASE TRY TO KEEP NINE MINUTE BREAK.

NINE MINUTE BREAK.

BRIAN SHOULD BE RIGHT OUT.

SO CHIEF, WELCOME.

UH, THANKS FOR COMING.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, DEPUTY CHIEF.

GOOD AFTERNOON SIR.

AND STAFF.

SO, UM, WHY DON'T YOU STOP BY REC, UH, UH, INTRODUCING ABSOLUTELY, LIKE YOU SAID.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNSELORS TO MY RIGHT IS, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF RYAN QUICKEN.

BEHIND HIM IS OUR SUPPORT SERVICES MANAGER, AARON.

AND IF YOU GUYS WOULDN'T MIND JUST, AND THEN MY EX ASSISTANT, SHERRY O'CONNOR BEHIND HER IS, UM, OUR NEWEST LIEUTENANT RAQUEL OLIVER.

UH, AND THEN BE IN THE MIDDLE BACK THERE IS JAMIE.

SHE'S OUR RECORD SUPERVISOR.

AND THEN TO THE RIGHT OF HER IS HEIDI VETO AND SHE DOES A LOT OF OUR STATS REDACTION.

AND, AND OTHER THINGS.

BROUGHT THE, BROUGHT THE WHOLE TEAM.

YOU BET.

NOBODY'S LEFT BACK IN THE OFFICE.

, THERE'S A FEW OVER THERE.

WE REALLY EXPECTED A, A, A DROP IN FISCAL 24.

SO FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES, UM, PRETTY SIMPLE HERE.

SO FISCAL YEAR 24, THE DIRECT COSTS OR BUDGET WERE WAS ABOUT 8 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 GOING TO 8.9.

UM, THAT INCLUDES DECISION PACKAGES OF 1.7.

UM, AND IT'S A LITTLE, UM, DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE INCLUDED THIS YEAR, UM, THE REQUEST TO DO A ONE TIME FUNDING TO P-S-P-R-S, UM, AS A DECISION PACKAGE.

IT'S BEEN THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OF LIKE HOW TO USE THE SURPLUS.

AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S JUST DO A DECISION PACKAGE, UM, TO RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THAT.

SO THAT'S, UM, THE FISCAL YEAR 25 AMOUNT IS IN THAT 1.7 MILLION.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING 1.5 AND I HAVE SOME SLIDES TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

UM, THE DECREASE IN THE ONE TIME COST OF 1.2 MILLION, UM, INCLUDES THE FISCAL YEAR 24 1 TIME CONTRIBUTION OF THE 1.2.

SO REALLY THE NET OF FISCAL YEAR 24, 1 0.2 TO GOING TO 1.51 TIME CONTRIBUTION, TRYING TO GET THAT UNFUNDED LIABILITY PAID OFF AS AN INCREASE OF 300,000.

UM, AND SO THEN YOUR OTHER ITEM THERE REALLY IS, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S VERY MUCH A SERVICE ORGANIZATION, UM, WAGE AND BENEFITS GOING UP 439,000.

THE, UM, CHANGE OVERALL IS 11% AND THE CHANGE FOR THE ONGOING COST 10% IN THE ONE-TIME COST.

SO TOTAL OF THE, OF 1.8, WHICH INCLUDES THE BIG PART THERE IS THE 1.5 MILLION DECISION PACKAGE RECOMMENDED TO DO THE ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTION TO P-S-P-R-S.

UM, THERE ARE, UM, VEHICLE FINANCE PURCHASE PAYMENTS OF ABOUT 282,000, UM, THAT ARE IN THERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PARTS OF WHAT'S IN, UM, THE POLICE, UH, ONE TIME AMOUNT.

SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BASE BUDGET, I DO HAVE A SLIDE ON THE, THE DECISION PACKAGES.

UM, AND THEY'LL POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU ON THAT.

BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON, UM, GOALS, MEASURES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SHERRY, DIDN'T WE TALK A, A COUPLE HOURS AGO ABOUT VEHICLE LEASING? AND YOU SAID THE PD WASN'T LEASING THE PATROL, THE, THE VEHICLES NEED TO BE PURSUIT RELATED.

UH, UM, SO THAT'S NOT WHAT THESE ARE RATED, THOSE ARE ADMIN VEHICLES THAT THANK YOU FOR CLARIFY.

CHIEF, I'M GONNA TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO YOUR PAGES PD FIVE AND PD SIX.

I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SHOW THE CALLS FOR SERVICE JUST AND THE, AND THE, THE PROJECTIONS, YOU KNOW, BOTH PAST AND AND FUTURE.

IT WAS KINDA LOW.

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IT ACTUALLY INCREASED QUITE A BIT.

NOW YOU'RE THINKING IT'S GONNA GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

SAME ON PD SIX, PROBABLY BASED ON THE SAME NUMBERS THAT CALLS FOR SERVICE PER SWORN FTEI THINK IT, I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE ARE THE SAME KIND OF NUMBERS BUT JUST DIVIDED BY YOUR FTES.

IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT DROPPING IN THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.

WE PREDICTED THAT LAST YEAR DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ON PAGE FIVE? UM, YEAH, CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR SERVICE THAT RIGHT NOW SHOWS OUR ESTIMATE TO BE THE 9,100.

UH, IT, THIS IS HOW THAT WAS MID-YEAR.

AGAIN, THIS IS MY PERHAPS CONFUSION ABOUT THESE NUMBERS.

THAT'S ESTIMATE FY 23 ACTUAL WAS 12,000.

OH 69, 91 0 8.

WAS THAT THE, WHAT YOU WERE PREDICTING AT THE BUDGET SEASON LAST YEAR? NO, THAT'S HALF, THAT'S HALFWAY THIS YEAR.

SO THAT'S AT, UM, WHAT WE'RE PREDICTING OR THAT'S, THAT'S THE ESTIMATE OF WHERE WE ARE MID-YEAR NOW.

AND THE PROJECTION IS THAT WHAT YOU BUDGETED? IS THIS WHAT YOU 11 13 5.

THE PROJECTION FOR FY 24, THAT 13 FIVE WAS THE BUDGET AMOUNT.

SO THE 9,000.

SO WE, SO WE EXPECTED TO GO UP, IT WENT DOWN.

ALL RIGHT, THERE YOU GO.

I THINK THAT'S MIDYEAR AND NOW YOU'RE EXPECTING 91 IS MIDYEAR NOW, NOW YOU'RE EXPECTING IT TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT FROM, AND AND AGAIN THAT ESTIMATE THE 91 0 8 IS THAT THE ACTUALS PLUS SOME PROJECTION OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FINISH THE YEAR AT? SO 9,100 IS OUR, IS OUR PROJECTION HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO WE'RE 9,100 IS A PROJECTION FOR SIX MONTHS OR FOR 12 MONTHS? SIX, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT SIX MONTHS INTO THE YEAR.

WE'RE AT 9,100 CALLS WE'RE PROJECTING FROM WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.

YOU WANNA JUMP UP THERE AND SAY, YES, AARON LOVES NUMBERS JUST SO YOU KNOW, LIKE, HEY AARON, YOU'LL BE MY BEST FRIEND , I ACTUALLY DO REALLY LOVE NUMBERS.

SO, UM, YES, THAT IS EXACTLY HOW YOU, UM, YOU STATED IT IS A PROJECTION THAT IS TAKEN ACTUAL, IT'S FOR HALF OF A YEAR.

UM, UH, STATS OF ACTUAL DIVIDED BY SIX FOR HALF THE YEAR AND THEN PROJECTED OUT TO AVERAGE FOR A WHOLE YEAR.

SO BEFORE THE YEAR BEGAN, WE EXPECTED 13 FIVE, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY ON TRACK TO END THE YEAR AT 91 0 8.

AND NOW THE PROJECTION, THE PREDICTION FOR NEXT YEAR IS 11,000.

ALRIGHT, WELL THAT SORT OF CHANGES THE ORDER OF WHAT I WAS THINKING HERE.

THAT'S NO LONGER INCONSISTENT OF A A, A, UH, A REDUCTION IN CRIME OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR.

IT'S KIND OF JUST GROWTH AND, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR.

WAS THERE ANYTHING ON PAGE SIX THAT YOU WANTED THE SAME? I THINK JUST TO MAKE SURE, PAGE SIX NUMBERS IS THE SAME STEP BUT BY, DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER FTE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEP.

CHIEF, WHAT ARE YOU ACCOUNTING FOR? THE REDUCTION.

I MEAN I, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE OFFICERS DO A GREAT JOB, BUT WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE, UH, THAT YOU'VE DONE DIFFERENTLY THIS PAST YEAR? IT'S INCREASING MAYOR INCREASE.

I SEE.

I HAD TO WAIT THE FIRST WAY YOU DID IT TOO.

SO THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

WOULD THE RISE IN HOMELESS, UH, UH, BE PART OF THE CAUSE OF THE INCREASE OR THE COST TO SERVICE DUE TO HOMELESS? 'CAUSE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THAT IN OUR REPORTS.

SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IF WE COULD FIND A TREND OR A REASON WHY WE COULDN'T PINPOINT IT TO ANYTHING SPECIFIC, UM, WE ARE HAVING AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF CALLS.

UM, WE'RE HAVING AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF VISITORS, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PINPOINT IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC REASON THAT CAN SAY WHY IT'S GONE UP.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

TO BE A PERSON EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, THIS COULD BE ANYBODY THAT'S JUST IN TOWN THAT IS FREQUENTLY A PLACE THAT'S NOT PURCHASING ANYTHING OR JUST KIND OF HANGING AROUND.

MAYOR, SINCE YOU OPENED THAT QUESTION, I'D JUST LIKE TO FOLLOW UP CHIEF AND JUST GIVE US THE, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHAT YOUR PERCEPTION IS ABOUT HOMELESS ISSUES AND THE NUMBER OF CALLS FOR RESPONSES YOU'VE SEEN EITHER OVER TIME THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.

JUST GENERALLY, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE IMPACT OF HOMELESSNESS AND HAS BEEN ON CRIME AND CALLS FOR SERVICE? SO I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MOST LIKELY YOU'RE SEEING IN YOUR BRIEFING ARE, UM, WE HAVE TRESPASSING THAT OCCURS THAT WE DEAL WITH, UM, QUITE REGULARLY.

IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT, UM, DOES NOT HAVE SHELTER THAT UM, THEY MIGHT CONTINUE GOING BACK TO LOCATIONS THAT DON'T WANT, UM, THEM INSIDE THE STORE OR OTHER THINGS.

SO I WOULD SAY TRESPASSING WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD TREND A LITTLE MORE TOWARDS WHERE YOU MIGHT NOTICE IN REPORTS THAT IT SAYS, UM, A PERSON EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO IS IN OUR, UM, IN OUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IF WE GO OUT TO ANYBODY, AND IT DOES NOT HAVE

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THEN IF A BUSINESS DOES NOT WANT THEM THERE ANYMORE, THEY CAN EITHER SAY, PLEASE LEAVE OUR, OUR PROPERTY OR THEY TYPICALLY WILL CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE WILL GO OUT THERE AND ADVISE 'EM THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER WELCOME IF THEY'RE NOT DOING BUSINESS.

AND IF THEY ARE DOING BUSINESS AND THEY'RE STILL NOT WELCOME AND THAT'S WHAT THE STORE WANTS, THEY CAN, THEY CAN REFUSE BUSINESS TO ANYBODY.

SO IN OUR SYSTEM, WE'LL, UM, WE'LL GO OUT, WE WILL IDENTIFY WHO THE PERSON IS, WE'LL LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN TRESPASSED PER THE WISHES OF THE BUSINESS OWNER AND THEN WE WILL KNOW IN OUR SYSTEM THAT THEY'VE BEEN TRESPASSED AND WE'LL PUT A DATE TO IT.

THAT WAY WE ALSO KNOW WHEN WE ADVISE THEM WHO ADVISED.

SO IF WE GO BACK, WE'RE STILL GONNA ASK THAT BUSINESS OWNER, PROPERTY OWNER, WHATEVER IT IS, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO AID AND PROSECUTION BECAUSE THEY'RE THE VICTIM OF THAT CRIME.

IF THE PERSON'S REPETITIVELY TRESPASSING, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO AID IN PROSECUTION AND THEY JUST WANT 'EM OFF THEIR PROPERTY, THEN WE'LL TELL 'EM AGAIN THAT AGAIN.

BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT PROBLEM WOULD REOCCUR BECAUSE THEN THERE'S A LOT OF WARNINGS WITHOUT ANYTHING BEHIND IT.

SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IS, IS IN OUR BRIEFING REPORTS THAT UM, THERE MIGHT BE TRESPASSINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED, UM, WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

SO THEN LET ME JUST ASK THEN, CHIEF, I GET THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL TRESPASS CITATION OR ACTION, IT HAS TO HAVE, HAVE, IF IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY COOPERATION WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.

BUT IN, DID I HEAR YOU SAY IN GENERAL YOU MIGHT BE SEEING AN INCREASE IN TRESPASS RELATED ISSUES, WHETHER THERE'S OFFICIAL TRESPASS CITATIONS MADE OR NOT.

UH, IN THE RECENT YEARS, ARE YOU, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE BELIEVE YOU'RE SEEING AN INCREASE IN TRESPASS RELATED ISSUES? I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT WOULD HAVE YOU THINK THAT IT'S MORE HEIGHTENED THAN IT IS.

AH, OKAY.

BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR BRIEFING.

SO IF YOU ARE, IF YOU'RE WATCHING AND READING THOSE, YES, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH NOT THAT THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN'T PINPOINT AND INCREASE THE CALLS THAT'S ASSOCIATED SPECIFICALLY, BUT I BELIEVE IF YOU WERE READING THOSE, THAT'S MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE WHERE YOU'D WANNA PUT THAT.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, ON TRESPASSING, IT'S HAVING A REASONABLE EXPECTATION.

SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A SIGN THAT SAYS NO TRESPASSING, IT DOES THE SAME AS SOMEBODY TELLING YOU THAT YOU CAN'T TRESPASS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WERE TRESPASSING WHERE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WILLING VICTIM SAY THAT THEY WANNA AID IN PROSECUTION.

THANK YOU PETE, YOU GOOD? I THINK SO.

OKAY, CHIEF.

OKAY, WE READY TO MOVE ON TO DECISION PACKAGES? SO THE FIRST DECISION PACKAGE IS TO, UM, INCREASE THE EVIDENCE TECHNICIAN POSITION THAT IS CURRENTLY PART-TIME TO A FULL-TIME POSITION.

SO THAT ADDS APPROXIMATELY 0.3 FTES FOR THAT ONE.

AND THAT POSITION IS RECOMMENDED.

DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? YOU WANT THE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT? NO, THE VICTIM SERVICES SPECIALIST SLASH BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR.

SO THAT WOULD BE A NEW POSITION.

UM, SO ONE FTE THERE.

AND THAT POSITION IS ALSO RECOMMENDED.

QUICK, QUICK, QUICK.

OH, GO AHEAD.

LET ME, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.

I WAS JUST SPEAKING.

OKAY, WELL LET ME JUST GO TO GO BACK TO THE EVIDENCE TECH.

SO YOU'RE GOING FROM FOUR TIME TO FULL TIME.

IS THERE A VEHICLE IN, UH, REQUIRED FOR THAT? NO.

UM, NOT THIS YEAR.

I THINK AS WE, UM, BUILD THIS PROGRAM, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT WE WOULD EITHER UTILIZE A VEHICLE WE CURRENTLY HAVE OR NEXT YEAR WE MIGHT LOOK TO THAT BECAUSE PART OF INCREASING THIS FROM PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME IS THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY GO OUT TO THE SCENES OF CRIMES AND ASSIST.

BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING THAT GOES INTO GETTING SOMEBODY THAT COULD GO TO A CRIME SCENE AND HELP PROCESS EVIDENCE.

SO THAT'S NOT IN THIS YEAR.

UM, WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE IF NEXT YEAR.

SO HOW OFTEN DOES THAT COME? I MEAN, WE WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE WE'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF BURGLARIES AND YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF CRIMES I WHERE I JUST FROM THE REPORT THAT WE GET WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING FINGERPRINTS.

BUT SO TO HAVE THIS GO FULL TIME, IS THAT JUST FOR THE EVIDENCE IN THE POLICE STATION TO, TO CATEGORIZE ALL THAT, UH, DATA AND THE ITEMS? WHAT JUSTIFY THE FULL-TIME, UH, REQUEST? SO RIGHT NOW, UM, PRETTY MUCH OUR EVIDENCE TECHNICIAN JUST MANAGES THE EVIDENCE.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, HE DOES A GREAT JOB, BUT THERE IS MORE AND MORE EVIDENCE THAT WE'RE COLLECTING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CRIMES.

SO OFFICERS RIGHT NOW, IF THEY GO TO, WELL, I'LL, I'LL USE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A BURGLARY.

DUSTING, THEY'D BE COLLECTING ITEMS, UM, TO POTENTIALLY SEND OFF TO A CRIME LAB.

UM, THEN THE OFFICERS WOULD BE FINGERPRINTING,

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SO WHEN AN OFFICER CLEARS THAT SCENE AND PROCESSES IT, THEY WILL COME BACK TO THE STATION AND NOW THEY HAVE TO PLACE ALL THAT EVIDENCE INTO PROPERTY.

SO WHAT OUR CURRENT PROPERTY TECHNICIAN DOES IS GOES AND GETS THOSE OUT OF THE LOCKERS AND PUTS IT INTO OUR SYSTEM OF WHERE IT'S PERMANENTLY GOING TO BE STORED.

SO THIS PERSON CAN ACTUALLY HELP RELIEVE THE PROCESSING TIME IT TAKES OUR OFFICERS TO, TO BE IN OUR AREA AND PROCESS AND, AND PACKAGE IT PROPERLY, DO THE PAPERWORK.

UM, BASICALLY THE, THE PROPERTY TECHNICIAN WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT TIME SO OUR OFFICER CAN GET BACK OUT ON THE ROAD AND PERFORM THE DUTIES THAT HE OR SHE ARE BEST EQUIPPED TO DO AND, AND BE VISIBLE.

UM, WITH THAT WE ALSO SAID THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL CROSS TRAINING FOR REDACTION OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA SYSTEM.

SO LAST YEAR WHEN I WAS HERE WITH YOU, WE HAD FOUR CAMERAS AT THAT TIME.

WE NOW HAVE NINE.

AND SO THAT FALLS ALL ON HEIDI, WHO I INTRODUCED EARLIER, UM, THAT DOES ALL OF OUR REDACTION.

SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IS TO CROSS TRAIN THAT ALSO ALLOWS THAT PERSON TO ASSIST IN REDACTING VIDEO SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE TIMELINE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER TASKS THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING THAT TECHNICIAN DO.

RIGHT NOW IT'S WRITTEN THAT THIS PERSON CAN DO IT ALL, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME IN THE DAY FOR HIM TO DO ALL THESE OTHER TASKS THAT THE JOB, UM, TITLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES ALLOW BECAUSE HIS, HIS DAY IS TIED UP WITH WHAT HE IS ALREADY DOING.

AND JUST TO ADD ON WHAT THE CHIEF IS SAYING, JUST SO, UH, WE UNDERSTAND WHEN SHE SAYS EVIDENCE, IT'S ALSO FOUND PROPERTY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE COME INTO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO AS YOUR EXAMPLE, SIR, WAS A BURGLARY.

WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND BRINGS IN A FOUND BACKPACK OR A BICYCLE, WE ALSO HAVE TO STORE THAT AS WELL.

AND THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE EVIDENCE CUSTODIAN.

SO IT'S NOT JUST EVIDENCE, SO TO SPEAK, FOR CRIMES.

IT'S ALSO TO INCLUDE FOUND PROPERTY.

AND, AND THIS WOULD BE EVEN, THANK YOU.

THIS WOULD ALSO BE OUTSIDE.

WE HAVE THE PILL DROP OFF FOR OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO THAT ALL GOES THROUGH OUR EVIDENCE PERSON AS WELL TO PROPERLY STORE THAT AND THEN HELP DISPOSE OF IT.

UM, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT.

WELL, THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE THAT, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

UH, PETE, YOU HAD SOMETHING? I'M SORRY.

I, I, I DID AND IT'S, UH, JESSICA HAD HER HAND UP BEFOREHAND.

YOU GO FOR, ALL RIGHT.

SO JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THESE HIGH LEVEL QUESTIONS AND THAT, I'M JUST GONNA DIRECT IT TO YOU, BUT FIRST, SHERRY, IN THESE DECISION PACKAGES, THE AMOUNT REQUESTED, AGAIN, THAT'S A FULLY BURDENED NUMBER.

THAT'S SALARY, BENEFITS PLUS PENSION AND OPEP.

AND, AND ANY OTHER COST THAT MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER ON THIS PARTICULAR POSITION, BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE OTHER THINGS FOR LIKE, IT GENERATES ADDITIONAL SUPPLIES OR MAYBE THERE'S MEMBERSHIP DUES OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

SO IT'S INTENDED TO CAPTURE THE FULL COST OF ADDING THAT POSITION.

AND SO MY SUGGESTION, PERHAPS WE THINK ABOUT IN FUTURE YEARS RUNNING THROUGH THE BUDGET CITY MANAGER, UH, KAREN HAD SAID EARLIER THAT, UH, PENSIONS AND O OTHER POST EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ARE SIGNIFICANT COSTS THAT WE CARRY WITH OUR, UH, EMPLOYEES.

AND I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME USE IN THESE AMOUNT REQUESTED IN THE FUTURE TO SHOW SALARY AND BENEFITS AND THEN UP POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS AS WELL.

'CAUSE I THINK ALL OF US NEED TO START A SENSITIZING OURSELVES TO THESE CHAOS AS WE CARRY FORWARD AS WELL.

CHIEF, NO, I'M SORRY.

OH, I'M SORRY.

YOU DID HAVE YOUR, I, YES.

NOW YOU'RE BEING, I WANTED YOU TO GO LOWER KEY, SO I MUCH LOWER KEY.

ATTACHING THE ADDITIONAL TASK OF BACKGROUND INVEST INVESTIGATORS.

I HAVE, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE VICTIM SERVICES SPECIALIST AND BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR.

BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR OF WHAT? RIGHT.

UH, PEOPLE.

SO, UM, I MEANT WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT TERM MEAN? YEAH, SO WHEN WE'RE IN THE, THE PHASE, OUR BACKGROUND PHASE OF HIRING A NEW EMPLOYEE, UM, WE HAVE TO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK.

SO RIGHT NOW THAT FALLS ON OUR TWO DETECTIVES THAT ARE DOING THE BACKGROUNDS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR OF EITHER SWORN OR PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBERS.

SO, UM, AS A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR, THEY WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH SETTING UP, UM, THE GEN THE IMMEDIATE INTERVIEW, UM, TO GO OVER WHAT THEIR BACKGROUND HAS BEEN, TO SET UP THE MEDICAL APPOINTMENT, THE POLYGRAPH, UM, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL.

SO THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO, UM, WORKING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF A BACKGROUND CHECK.

SO THIS WOULD ALSO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE, THE ADDITIONAL TASK BY, BY THEM BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT.

AND, UM, SO THAT VICTIM SERVICES SPECIALIST IS NOT A FULL-TIME JOB.

IT IS, IT'S A VICTIM.

THE VICTIM ADVOCATE IS A FULL-TIME JOB, AND WE JUST ARE

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NO, NO.

IT'S A FULL-TIME JOB, I'M SAYING.

BUT THE FULL-TIME JOB, THE, THIS PERSON'S NOT GOING TO SPEND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR TIME ON VICTIM SERVICES.

I, I JUST, WHICH MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE THE VOLUME OF THAT'S GONNA COME AND GO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA ALWAYS KNOW.

UM, ABOUT HOW MANY, SO THIS WOULD NOT BE LI LIMITED TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS OR TO, UM, SEXUAL CRIME VICTIMS. THIS WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO LIKE BURGLARY VICTIMS OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN AUTO ACCIDENTS OR ANY, ANY, YEAH, SO WE, WE ACTUALLY, I, I HAVE AARON HERE WHO HELPED PUT TOGETHER THE DECISION PACKAGE.

AND WE DID A SMALL POWERPOINT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BASED ON IF YOU HAD ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF WHAT THIS POSITION WOULD OFFER, UM, TO OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT IT IS, IT, IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CRIMES.

SO THERE WOULD BE ASSAULT, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, FRAUDS, FORGERIES, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PAPERWORKS AND THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO NAVIGATE, RIGHT? IF, IF YOU'RE A VICTIM OF FRAUD, THERE'S A LOT TO GO THROUGH WITH YOUR BANK, POTENTIALLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVER OTHER, UM, NOTIFICATIONS AND IT, YOU KNOW, FRAUD REALLY CAN DESTROY, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NODDING.

'CAUSE IF YOU'VE HAD EVER, YOU KNOW, YOUR CARD STOLEN, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT ENTAILS.

SO TYPICALLY FOR US, WITH THE OFFICERS THAT INITIALLY GO, THEY, WE WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL SERVICES OUTSIDE OF JUST BEING THAT INITIAL, INITIAL CALL TAKER.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO ALSO DO THE WRAPAROUND SERVICE OF HELPING OUT FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH A FRAUD CRIME.

OR IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND YOU NEED HELP, UM, GETTING AN ORDER OF PROTECTION OR AN INJUNCTION AGAINST HARASSMENT, THOSE CAN BE INTIMIDATING PAPERWORK THAT, AND PROCESSES THAT PEOPLE MIGHT NOT DO JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET IT DONE.

WHERE A VICTIM ADVOCATE CAN COME IN AFTER THE FACT OF THE CRIME AND HELP GET YOU BACK ON YOUR FEET AND GET YOU BACK TO TO LIFE.

BECAUSE WHAT WE DO KNOW IS ONCE YOU BECOME A VICTIM OF ONE OF THESE CRIMES, YOU'RE MORE LIKELY, MORE LIKELY TO BE RE-VICTIMIZED.

REALLY.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT.

I TOTALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

I DON'T NEED TO SEE A POWERPOINT.

UM, I DO KNOW THAT FRAUD VICTIMS, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S ELDERLY AND A LOT OF THOSE CHALLENGES, I CAN SEE THAT THIS WOULD BE VERY EFFECTIVE.

NOW, DO PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SEE THIS FRAUD, FRAUD OR A VICTIM ADVOCATE? IS IT OFFERED TO ALL VICTIMS OR IS IT SORT OF, IF YOU SORT OF SEE A PERSON, HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? JUST SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVELY.

SO WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS PROGRAM UP FROM A LOT OF THE OTHER AGENCIES AROUND US.

AND, AND HAVE THEM HELP THINGS THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH.

I WOULD SAY INITIALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS WRAPPED AROUND ONCE WE, WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT WE HAVE A VICTIM, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND DO A TOUCH POINT WITH THAT PERSON TO COMMUNICATE WHAT THEY MIGHT NEED OR WHAT WE CAN OFFER THEM.

UM, AND THEN I, I REALLY THINK THIS IS, UM, A CHANCE FOR US.

I KNOW KURT WITH THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS ALSO TALKED ABOUT A VICTIM ADVOCATE IN THE PAST.

SO I THINK BETWEEN BOTH OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH WORK TO REALLY HELP OUT, UM, PROVIDE PEOPLE WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE.

THAT ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS.

KATHY, IS THAT A SWORN POSITION OR IS THAT A CIVILIAN POSITION? NO, MA'AM.

IT'S A CIVILIAN.

SO I HAVE QUESTIONS SIMILAR TO THAT.

SO IT'S A CIVILIAN AND AS FAR AS THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR, THEY'RE NOT REALLY INVESTIGATING.

THEY'RE PREPPING EVERYTHING FOR THE ADVOCATE TO DO THEIR WORK.

WELL, THESE, THESE ARE, WELL, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, IT, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, UM, POSITIONS TRULY THAT THEY WOULD, UM, BE DOING.

SO AS A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR, THEY WOULD BE PUTTING TOGETHER REFERENCES, LOOKING INTO THEIR HISTORY, PULLING CREDIT REPORTS, BECAUSE AS A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR, THAT'S A TOTALLY SOMETHING SEPARATE.

THEY'RE GONNA HELP US WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE DOING THE BACKGROUND FOR SOMEBODY THAT WE WANT TO HIRE.

SO THEY'LL BE PULLING ALL THIS INFORMATION AT FROM A BACKGROUND.

SO IS THAT HELPING ANSWER? MY QUICK QUESTION IS THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE LAW SWORN OFFICER TO DO AND TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE COMPUTERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO THAT'S FINE.

UH, I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT.

UM, REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT VICTIM ADVOCATES.

I'M SEEING A LOT OF, UH, COMPUTER CRIMES PEOPLE IN THE REPORTS, AND THOSE REPORTS ARE SO HELPFUL TO US WHERE WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE HAVING ONLINE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVING MONEY TO PEOPLE, GETTING A PHONE CALL TO WHOEVER, UH, AND THEY'RE PAYING MONEY AND THEY'RE GETTING, GETTING VICTIMIZED.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ASSET FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

I COMMEND YOU FOR DOING THAT.

DEPUTY CHIEFS LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

JUST TO ADD ONTO THAT, I THINK A LOT OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING AWAY FROM JUST BEING A TRADITIONAL POLICE DEPARTMENT.

MOST PROGRESSIVE POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE BECOMING WHAT'S CALLED POLICE SERVICES DEPARTMENTS.

SO IT DOESN'T, THE SERVICE DOESN'T STOP WHEN THE OFFICER LEAVES AND A DETECTIVE FOLLOWS

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UP.

THE VICTIM ADVOCATE CAN ALSO BE A POINT OF CONTACT WHEN SOMEONE IS THE VICTIM OF A FRAUD.

THEY CAN, WHEN THEY HAVE A QUESTION, AND THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE OFFICER OR THE DETECTIVE, THEY'LL HAVE A A POINT OF CONTACT WITHIN THE AGENCY AS WELL AS IF THEY ARE A VICTIM.

AND A LOT OF TIMES I'VE SEEN THE VICTIM ADVOCATE IF, UH, THERE'S A TRIAL COMING UP OR A COURT DATE, THE COURT COULD ALSO REACH OUT TO THE VICTIM ADVOCATE AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU REACH OUT TO OUR WITNESS OR OUR VICTIM AND LET THEM KNOW TO FACILITATE.

I THINK THAT ALSO WILL SHOW THAT THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE, A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD OF, OF VICTIMS AND WITNESSES SHOWING UP TO AIDEN PROSECUTION.

IT'S A, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POSITION.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN HERE CAN AGREE.

WE DON'T WANNA PROVIDE POLICE SERVICES, UH, POLICE JUST BE A POLICE DEPARTMENT.

NO, I GET IT.

WE WANT TO BE A POLICE SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK LAST COMMENT I WANNA MAKE, THIS GOES TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN WORKING ON AND SPEAKING ABOUT TODAY, DOING MORE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, DOING MORE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

AND THIS SPEAKS TO THAT DIRECTLY.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.

AND, AND I DON'T WANNA TAKE ALL THE CREDIT 'CAUSE WE'RE HERE.

I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT ERIN HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS.

UM, WHEN SHE WENT THROUGH HER MASTER'S PROGRAM, SHE WROTE A WHOLE PAPER ON VICTIM ADVOCACY.

AND SO THIS IS REALLY A PASSION THAT SHE HAS THAT I'M GETTING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU AND BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT IT'S ALL THROUGH HER HARD WORK.

THAT'S EXCELLENT.

UH, YOU DIDN'T GET TO THE REALLOCATION OF FOUR PART-TIME, CSAS.

THAT'S NEXT.

SO THAT'S THE NEXT, THAT'S THE NEXT ONE.

BUT BEFORE WE GO THERE, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UM, WHEN THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP WAS GOING THROUGH ALL THE DECISION PACKAGES, THIS WAS ONE OF TWO THAT THEY WERE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT.

UM, BUT THEY WILL ASSIST UNTIL OTHERS CAN GET THERE BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVE A TEMPORARY LANE CLOSURE THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT TO EITHER PUSH THE VEHICLE OFF THE ROAD.

ONE, THE OTHER ONE WAS THE PARKS AND REC DECISION PACKAGE ABOUT THE AUTISM SENSORY AWARENESS, UM, PROGRAM.

UM, SO THEN THERE'S THE REALLOCATION OF FOUR PART-TIME CSAS TO TWO FULL-TIME CSO POSITIONS.

AS FAR AS FTE COUNT IT, IT'S 0.1 DIFFERENCE IN THAT VICE SMEAR HAS A QUESTION.

I DO.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CSA AND A CSO? THANK YOU.

UM, SO I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT YOU WOULD SEE OUT AND ABOUT.

THAT'S AN EASY WAY TO IDENTIFY WHO'S WHO.

UM, OUR CSAS WEAR THE BRIGHT YELLOW SHIRTS AND OUR CSOS WEAR THE, THE BROWN SHIRTS.

SO OUR CSAS ARE PART-TIME.

UM, I THINK RIGHT NOW JACK WORKS ABOUT 19 HOURS A WEEK.

AND SO THAT EQUATES TO, I THINK THREE DAYS A WEEK.

HE'S OUT AND HE'S HELPING.

SO HE'S GOING TO THE TRAIL HEADS ISSUING, UM, PARKING CITATIONS.

HE MIGHT DEAL WITH SOME OF THE, UM, LOST OR FOUND PROPERTY FOR US.

HE MIGHT HELP WITH A COLLISION BY, UM, HELPING WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO GET ANOTHER OFFICER THERE.

SO THEY, THEY HAVE SOME, SOME, UM, TASKS THAT JUST HELP SUPPORT AND PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT TO OUR OFFICERS ON THE ROAD.

SO WITH OUR CSOS, THEY CAN HANDLE CITY ORDINANCES, MEANING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WILDLIFE FEEDING THE, UM, DOGS AT LARGE.

UM, ANY, ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD THINK OF THAT WE HAVE AS AN ORDINANCE.

THEY ALSO HELP WITH THE PARKING, UM, FOUND PROPERTY, LOST PROPERTY COLLISIONS.

SO, BUT THEY'RE FULL-TIME AND SO WE HAVE THEM ON FOUR DAYS A WEEK AND THEY HAVE A SET SCHEDULES THAT WE, UM, INCORPORATE THEM INTO A SQUAD TO ASSIST AGAIN.

SO WITH OUR CSA PROGRAM, WE'VE HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S SEVEN CSA PART-TIME POSITIONS BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A POOL OF HOURS AND, AND MONEY THAT'S THERE THAT WE COULD HIRE UP TO SEVEN.

UM, IT COULD BE MORE IF WE ONLY WERE HIRING PEOPLE THAT WANTED 10 HOURS, UM, THEN YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT MORE.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'VE HAD OUR CSA POSTING OPEN FOR 1,113 DAYS.

UM, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING MUCH SUCCESS FOR, I THINK IT WAS TWO OR THREE MONTHS.

WE HAD TWO CSAS AND THEN ONE, UM, RESIGNED BECAUSE, UH, SHE WAS COMMUTING FROM FLAGSTAFF.

SHE WAS IN COLLEGE AND IT JUST WASN'T WORKING OUT FOR, FOR HER SCHEDULE.

SO WE'RE BACK TO HAVING ONE.

SO REALLY WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HELP IS TO TAKE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR A POOL OF FOUR OF THOSE POSITIONS AND MAKE TWO FULL-TIME AND STAFF ARE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK WITH HAVING, UM, ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO, TO ASSIST AND SUPPORT OUR POLICE FUNCTIONS.

HOLLY'S NOT DONE YET, BRIAN, SO YOU JUST LED ME INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT AREA.

YOU SAID THE CSAS, OR MAYBE YOU SAID IT WAS CSOS, YOU CORRECT ME, ARE FOR COLLISIONS DIRECTING TRAFFIC IF WE ARE WAITING.

SO THEY'RE NOT ON THE ROAD FULL-TIME DOING TRAFFIC CONTROL.

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SO IT'S, WE CAN USE THEM IN AN EMERGENCY TYPE SITUATION THAT DICTATES THE, THE NECESSITY AND NEED TO UTILIZE OTHER STAFF TO GET THEM OFF THE ROAD SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT ROAD REOPENED.

BECAUSE OFTEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN, UM, WITH A COLLISION IS EVERYBODY'S FOCUSED ON THOSE RED AND BLUE LIGHTS AND THEN THEY START MOVING THEIR VEHICLE TO IT.

AND WE HAVE A SECONDARY COLLISION.

SO AS, AS SOON AS WE CAN, WE TRY TO GET THAT ROAD REOPEN OR WE TRY AND EXTEND THE PATHWAY TO, TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE UP, UP AHEAD AND, AND TO PAY ATTENTION.

HIS, UH, COUNSEL WAS TALKING WITH WHEN PUBLIC WORKS, DID THEIR PRESENTATION ABOUT TRAFFIC CONTROL AND ASKED KURT WHETHER YOU HAD TO BE A SWORN OFFICER TO DO TRAFFIC CONTROL.

AND HE TOLD US YES, BUT THERE'S A PROVISION WITHIN A DOT'S RULES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SWORN IF YOU'RE ON AN ADOT ROAD, WHICH MOST OF OUR ROADS, THE WHY IS WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED USING NON-SWORN PERSONNEL TO DIRECT TRAFFIC AT THE Y DO YOU WANNA ANSWER IT? SO, UH, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO, UH, WHO CAN DO TRAFFIC CONTROL AND WHERE THROUGHOUT THE STATE WE'VE GOT VARIOUS DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

SO FAR THE CHALLENGE IS RIGHT NOW, ARIZONA STATE STATUTE SAYS THAT NON-SWORN CAN ONLY BE USED TO DIRECT TRAFFIC IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

LIKE IF, UH, OUR CSA, UH, ARRIVES AND IT'S BLOCKING A LANE OF TRAFFIC, OR IF THERE IS A SWORN POLICE OFFICER THERE TO ASSIST.

NOW I HAVE REACHED OUT AND SPOKE TO A, A GENTLEMAN FROM ADOT AND HIS INTERPRETATION IS WE CAN USE NON-SWORN, HOWEVER, THAT OPENS US UP AS A CITY TO LIABILITY THAT IF WE USE THEM, THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE STATUTE READS.

SO I WOULD BE VERY RELUCTANT TO PUT NON-SWORN PERSONNEL OUT ON ANY ROADS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE STATUTE READS THAT IT HAS TO BE UNDER THOSE TWO CIRCUMSTANCES IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION OR IF A SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS PRESENT.

THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER EXCEPTION.

IT HAS TO DO WITH IF THE SHERIFF, UH, UH, SWEARS AN A POSSE, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD APPLY TO US.

AND, UM, AT THIS JUNCTURE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA ASK THE SHERIFF TO SWEAR IN A POSSE TO HELP US DIRECT TRAFFIC UNLESS YOU GUYS DIRECT US TO ON HORSEBACK.

WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EXAMINE AS WELL, .

HOWEVER, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE PROBABLY, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO STAY WITHIN THE, WHAT THE ARIZONA STATUTE SAYS UNLESS, UH, THERE'S A, A SEPARATE RULE OR AMENDMENT THAT'S PASSED THAT CHANGES THAT.

SO WOULD YOU SUPPORT, IF WE ASKED OUR LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE TO WORK ON CHANGING THE STATE STATUTE, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD SUPPORT? UH, I WILL SUPPORT, YES, I WILL SUPPORT IT.

HOWEVER, I WOULD JUST, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT IF WE HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROPERLY TRAINED WITH THE PROPER EQUIPMENT OUT THERE, THEN YES, IT CAN BE AS SAFE AS WE CAN MAKE IT.

BUT, UH, ONLY THEN AFTER THEY'RE PROPERLY TRAINED AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT, UH, TRAFFIC VESTS AND WHATEVER LIGHTING THAT WE CAN MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ARE SAFE.

SO WHAT WAS WHAT WAS SAID WAS THAT EVEN WHEN YOU OFFER OVERTIME TO SWORN PERSONNEL, THEY'RE NOT EXCITED ABOUT DIRECTING TRAFFIC.

SO WE WERE JUST BRAINSTORMING AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO BRAINSTORM AND MAYBE BRING BACK TO US SOME OPTIONS THAT, THAT YOU THINK, AND IF IT REQUIRES A STATUTORY CHANGE, LET US KNOW THAT AND WE COULD DECIDE WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA PURSUE.

BUT A WAY IN WHICH CREATE A DIFFERENT, UH, STRUCTURE WITHIN THE POLICE ONLY, ONLY UNDER POLICE PER, YOU KNOW, POLICE PURVIEW, NOT IN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, BUT UNDER YOUR PURVIEW.

SO THAT YOU WERE COMFORTABLE, PEOPLE WERE TRAINED PROPERLY AND SUPERVISE PROPERLY.

SOME WAY IN WHICH WE COULD INCREASE AND ENHANCE OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY AT THE Y IF SWORN PERSONNEL ARE NOT INTERESTED OR WILLING TO PURSUE THAT.

SO WE COULD TRY CSAS, WE COULD TRY SOME OTHER TRAFFIC CONTROL OFFICER CATEGORY, SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IT DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE WHEN POLICE PERSONNEL ARE THERE.

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AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SIMPLE.

I, I AGREE.

IT IS NOT SIMPLE.

I THINK THAT FROM TALKING TO SOME OFFICERS, IF THEY, UH, WE HAD MORE ADVANCED NOTICE, THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO GO OUT.

BUT IT'S HARD WHEN WE DON'T PRE-PLAN, MEANING RIGHT NOW WE WE'RE HAVING STAFFING ISSUES AND WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO, UH, WORK OVERTIME AND THEY'RE DOING IT.

EVERYBODY'S STEPPING UP AND THEY'RE HELPING OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS SAFE TO ASK THEM TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL, UH, WORKLOADS.

I THINK IF WE PLANNED IT OUT, IF WE SAID, HEY, THIS MONTH, THESE ARE THE DATES, WE COULD TRY THAT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS STAFFING THE, THE BEATS TO GET TO OUR MINIMUM STAFFING TO MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS ARE SAFE.

AND WE'RE DOING THAT.

THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE AT ALL.

IF WE'RE GONNA TRY THAT, WE WOULD, I, I GUESS, HAVE TO PLAN OUT WHETHER, IF WE PUT OUT THE DATES FOR OUR OFFICERS FOR A MONTH AND LET THEM TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

BUT AT THIS POINT WE HAVE RAMPED UP RECRUITMENT AND, UH, LIEUTENANT OLIVER IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, RECRUITING AND WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN APPLICANTS AND WE ARE RUNNING MORE TESTS.

ULTIMATELY, IF WE GET TO THE SPOT WHERE WE ARE FULLY STAFFED, I THINK WE WILL HAVE A, A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN OFFICER OUT THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND WHETHER THAT DOWN THE ROAD, THAT BECOMES, IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE LAW WHERE WE CAN STAFF IT WITH A CSO OR A CSA, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EXPLORE DOWN THE ROAD IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IMMEDIATE.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND ALL OF THE ABOVE .

AND JUST JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THOUGH, UM, THIS WOULD GO IN WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER, UM, OFF-DUTY OVERTIME REQUESTS.

SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, A POSTING UP IN OUR REPORT WRITING ROOM, UM, THE SYNAGOGUE.

WE HAVE ONE THAT'S, UH, ONGOING AND IT COMES OUT MONTHLY THAT OFFICERS SIGN UP FOR.

WE HAVE OUR DUI TASK FORCE OF AN OVERTIME DETAIL.

WE HAVE, UM, OUR STEP PROGRAM WHERE WE GO INTO DIFFERENT, UM, LOCATIONS AND, AND PULL OVER PEOPLE FOR EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT.

UM, ALL THAT ARE GRANT FUNDED THAT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE, WE RECEIVED MONEY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A 30 PERSON SWORN DEPARTMENT AND YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ON LIGHT DUTY, SOMEBODY'S OFF SICK, THERE'S VACATIONS, YOU'RE ALREADY STRETCHING OUR, OUR RESOURCES BECAUSE WE ARE MINIMALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ON ON THE STREETS WHAT WE NEED TO.

SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, DEPUTY CHIEF WAS SAYING IS THE ADVANCE NOTICE IS HELPFUL BE, BUT LIKE YOU ALL KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A WEEKEND THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR 'CAUSE THERE'S NO EVENT IN TOWN.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON GETTING THAT BACK ONLINE, BUT TO CALL PEOPLE IN THAT MIGHT TAKE AN HOUR TO GET INTO TOWN RIGHT AFTER GETTING DRESSED, THEN YOU'RE ALREADY TWO HOURS INTO A SITUATION THAT THAT PUTS IT MORE COMPLEX TO TRY AND GET BACK AT THE ROOT.

SO I DO THINK A LOT THAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS THE CITY, THE SHUTTLES, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT FORCE EXTENSION.

AND THEN WHEN WE START WORKING ON THE, YOU KNOW, RANGER TO 1 79, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL GONNA HELP.

AND IT, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO GET AT SOME PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, BUT WE JUST HAD THAT IMPROVEMENT THAT, UM, WAS IN UPTOWN RIGHT.

FOR, FOR CHANGING THAT, THAT LANE STRUCTURE.

SO THEY, UNFORTUNATELY FOR US, WE CAN SEE THEM ALL COMPACT ON EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, COMPILE, AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE BEHIND THE BALL SOMETIMES WE COULD PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, AND OVERTIME WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S AN EVENT THAT TYPICALLY BRINGS A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.

BUT IT'S ALL THOSE OTHER TIMES.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DEPUTY CHIEF ON, ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS THIS, THIS PAST, WITHIN THESE LAST SIX MONTHS HAS GONE OUT HIMSELF WITH AN OFFICER TO TRY AND, AND GET IT WORKING AGAIN.

BUT IT, IT'S EVEN A BIGGER TASK THAN JUST BEING AT BREWER OR THE Y IT'S WORKING WITH THE TCAS, OOPS, SORRY, OVER AT THE, THE CROSSWALK BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ALL WORK TOGETHER IN UNISON SO THAT THEY'RE NOT MOVING PEOPLE AS WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE TO GO DOWN 1 79, THAT WE HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION TO SAY, OKAY, YOU HOLD UP EVERYBODY, THEY'RE GONNA GET MAD AT YOU, BUT 20 PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SIDE IS OKAY, WE NEED TO GET THE CARS THROUGH.

SO, AND THEN THE, THE, UM, UNDERGROUND PASSAGE HOPEFULLY THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WORKS TO GET THAT.

SO I THINK EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, I THINK IT'S GONNA HELP US SEE THAT CHANGE.

UM, AND WE'LL KEEP TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BACKFILL AND SUPPORT AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHEN, WHEN THESE ISSUES ARE COMING UP.

COUNCILOR FURMAN.

WHAT CAN BE DONE, THAT'S WHERE THE LEAGUE LIKES TO WEIGH IN SOMETIMES AND HELP SORT OUT THE PROCESS.

SO GIVEN WHAT THE DEPUTY CHIEF HAS JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS INTRIGUE THAT WE HAVE FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL, OTHER THAN THROUGH SWORN, I'M REMINDED THAT THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE ARIZONA LEAGUE SUBMISSIONS AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THIS DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BETWEEN THE STATE AGENCIES ABOUT

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I'M THE PSM GUY HERE, SO I'M RAISING MY HAND TO HELP.

UH, IF WE, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE WORTH CONTACTING THE LEAGUE, SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS HER LEGS, AND IF IT DOES, I'M WILLING TO USE MY PS MAC TIME TO HELP PUSH.

SO ALONG THOSE LINES, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO PROPOSE A CHANGE THAT'S NOT JUST ALLOWING NON-SWORN DUTY OFFICERS TO MANAGE TRAFFIC, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME CATEGORY LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT CERTAIN TRAINING THAT WOULD GO QUALIFI INTO THIS PERSON THAT'S CERTIFIED THROUGH THE LOCAL POLICE, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT OR, I'M JUST THINKING THERE MAY BE SOME QUALIFICATIONS TO PUT TO THAT THAT WOULD GET PEOPLE ON YOUR SIDE FOR AN EFFORT LIKE THAT.

AND ANDY, I I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE FOR US, WHEN WE'VE TRAINED OUR VOLUNTEERS, WE'VE TRAINED OUR CSAS AND CSOS, THEY GO THROUGH THE ADO FLAGGER COURSE SO THAT THEY'RE CERTIFIED.

I THINK THAT CERTIFICATION'S GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO RENEW.

BUT OUTSIDE THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT WHAT THEY UTILIZE WHEN THEY'RE ON THE ROAD.

SO THEY GO THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL PROGRAM WITH US, THEY GO OUT WITH OUR, OUR TRAFFIC MOTOR OFFICER THAT WE, YOU KNOW, TURN OFF AN INTERSECTION AND WE TEACH THEM REAL TIME AND, AND WHAT IT'LL BE LIKE ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE FLAGGER COURSE ITSELF HELP YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW TO POSITION THE FLAG, HOW TO DO ALL THESE THINGS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE UTILIZING IF WE'RE GONNA BE IN A ROUNDABOUT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, A LANE CLOSURE DUE TO, UM, YEAH, A COLLISION.

SO I THINK, YEAH, WE WOULD WANNA IDENTIFY WHAT THAT COURSE LOOKS LIKE, PUT TRAINING BEHIND IT SO THAT THERE'S, UM, AN IDEA JUST LIKE OFFICERS THAT YOU MAINTAIN A CERTAIN LEVEL.

SO, SO TO TAG ONTO THAT, THAT ADOT TRAINING COURSE IS WHAT OUR TCAS TAKE AND OUR, OUR SUPERVISOR OF THE TCA PROGRAM IS CERTIFIED TO BE AN INSTRUCTOR AND CERTIFY IN THAT CLASS.

BUT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW TECHNOLOGY, AS YOU KNOW, AND, AND LOOKING TO PURSUE NEW OPTIONS.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR SURE, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET A LAW CHANGED.

PETE, YOU DONE? YEP.

BRIAN AND, UH, I'M GONNA GO.

HI, CHIEF.

DEPUTY CHIEF, HOW ARE YOU SIR? QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO GIVEN THE DIFFICULTY OF RECRUITING CSAS, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT OUTSOURCING, UH, THE ISSUING OF PARKING CITATIONS, PARKING OBSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY, UH, AN ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITY ON THE ONE HAND, AND THEN I KNOW WE'VE HAD ISSUES OUT AT LIKE THE DRY CREEK TRAILHEAD WHERE, UH, VISITORS ARE LITERALLY UNWILLING TO MOVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OF THE TRAILHEAD BLOCKING OUR SHUTTLE BUS FROM BEING ABLE TO PROCEED THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.

AND THEN THE ONLY THING THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO AT TIMES IS CALL THE POLICE IN, WHICH ISN'T A GREAT USE OF YOUR TIME.

SO ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT OUTSOURCING? SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET THOSE CALLS, THOSE ARE OUR CSAS AND CSOS THAT GO OUT THERE.

UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE ON, THEN, UM, AN OFFICER WOULD GO.

SO I THINK A COUPLE OF WEEKENDS AGO WE HAD AN EVENT AND WE ENDED UP ISSUING A GOOD AMOUNT OF TICKETS, AND WE ALSO TOWED ABOUT FIVE VEHICLES.

SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S SPREAD OUT BECAUSE IT, SOME, SOME WEEKENDS IT'S AT DRY CREEK, SOME WEEKENDS IT'S OVER NEAR POSSE GROUNDS, IT CAN BE DOWN BY BACK OR BEYOND, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO WE CONSTANTLY MOVE IT AROUND.

BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, WE, AND, AND WE, WE USE OPSMAN, WHICH IS, UM, AN ELECTRIC, UH, THE C UH, THE, SORRY, CITATION SYSTEM THAT'S E SO IT'S ALL ELECTRONICS.

SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S OVER THE PHONE AND, AND IT HAS HELPED SPEED UP THE PROCESS TO, TO ISSUE THOSE OUT.

BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET COMPLIANCE ON A, ON A EVER CHANGING CUSTOMER SERVICE BASE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT WE GAVE TICKETS TO TODAY ARE PROBABLY NOT THE ONES WE'RE GIVING IT TO TOMORROW.

SO THAT IS PRIMARILY THE JOB OF OUR CSAS AND CSOS.

AND THEN OFFICERS WILL GO IN AND HELP IF THE PROBLEM GETS EGREGIOUS ENOUGH.

AND THAT'S WHERE I KNOW, UM, ANDY, UM, KURT AND I, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT SIGNAGE OUT AT DRY CREEK TO TRY AND ALSO HELP PREVENT THE ONGOING CHALLENGES, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT LINES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE CITY THAT WHERE WE CAN ENFORCE AND THAT THEN MOVE TO FOREST SERVICE.

UH, BUT IT, DO YOU FEEL YOU'RE STAFFED UP ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT THAT LIKELY COULD BE PROVIDED? RIGHT.

NO, I, I, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'RE SWITCHING SOME OF THESE PART-TIME POSITIONS TO GET FULL-TIME SO THAT WE HAVE THE STAFFING LEVELS TO CONSTANTLY DEAL WITH IT.

BECAUSE IF WE HAD ALL SEVEN CSAS, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY YES, WE WERE STAFFED TO

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THAT MM-HMM.

BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE MORE PERSONNEL OUT THERE.

UM, BUT THE WHOLE GOAL IS SINCE WE WEREN'T GETTING THE CSAS TO, TO, UM, THAT THAT WAS AN ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH POSITION THAT THERE WERE THE HOURS OR THE PAY, THEN WE'RE TRYING TO CONVERT THAT TO NOW BE FULL TIME SO THAT WE DO HAVE THE STAFFING.

SO I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW, NO, BUT WE MANAGE IT.

TOPIC FOR ANOTHER TIME MAYBE TO RE REVISIT, BUT THANK YOU.

GOING ON, UM, WE WERE IN A BETTER SITUATION THAN WHAT A LOT OF THE CITIES, UM, WERE AT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE WATCHING A PUBLIC WORKS, UH, P PORTION.

I'M SURE YOU WERE.

UH, ANDY, UH, AND KURT WERE TALKING ABOUT A PROPOSED LIGHTING SYSTEM FOR THE Y THAT WILL HELP KEEP VEHICLES FROM ENTERING THE Y IF THEIR EXIT IS NOT CLEAR.

AND THAT'S A REAL GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT'LL HELP TO KEEP THE LEGS CLEAR SO IT, IT WON'T GET BLOCKED UP.

AND I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN.

HOWEVER, UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, WE CAN'T CONTINUE THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING.

WE JUST CAN'T.

LAST YEAR I WAS TOLD I WOULD GET A COPY OF A TRAFFIC PLAN OF HOW THE, UH, THE, THE DEPARTMENT WAS GOING TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC NEEDS AND I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED TO, I NEVER SAW IT AND THE COUNCIL AS WELL NEVER SAW IT.

BUT, UM, THE WISE, THE PRIORITY AND LIKE I MENTIONED BEGINNING WHEN WE STARTED, WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN THAT'S BEST FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND TO HAVE A BLOCKAGE AT THE Y THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE MANAGED NOT ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE IF IT'S UP IN THE CANYON, YOU'RE NOT GONNA MANAGE IT.

I GET THAT.

BUT I'VE SEEN, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DEPUTY CHIEF, THAT MUST BE INTERESTING TO WATCH HIM DIRECTLY TRAFFIC, BUT, ALRIGHT.

I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM UP THERE, BUT I KNOW WE SPOKE LAST YEAR AND I TALKED ABOUT, UH, SERGEANT LEON WHO WAS UP THERE AND WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.

AND THAT WAS ONE PERSON, I GUESS SHE LUCKED OUT AND IT WAS, BUT IT WAS PUBLICLY TO OUR RESIDENT, IT MEANT A LOT.

AND NOW IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING.

ASIDE FROM WHEN WE WERE DOING THE NORTHBOUND CONSTRUCTION.

NOTHING'S GONNA FIX THAT.

I GET IT.

PRIOR TO AND AFTER WE'RE BACK TO TRAFFIC.

WE, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, WHATEVER IT IS, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO ADDRESS THIS.

IF THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE MANAGER, HOWEVER THAT WOULD WORK, WHATEVER'S NECESSARY.

IF IT'S FUNDING FOR YOU, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE.

BUT WE NEED TO SHOW OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE ARE DOING AS MUCH FOR THEM AS WE CAN.

SO CAN YOU COME BACK ANOTHER TIME OR CAN YOU THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN, UH, WORK WITH, WHETHER IT'S DOING OVERTIME, I MEAN, ALL THOSE REASONS OF NOT PEOPLE YOU HAVE OTHER PROJECTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU USE FLEX TIME VERSUS OVERTIME, HOW YOU'RE FUNDING IT OR THESE ISSUES.

IF YOU'RE GIVING, UM, OFFICER 30 DAYS NOTICE TO SAY BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S, WE ANTICIPATE TRAFFIC, WHETHER IT'S AT CLOCK, A POCK, WHERE HOPEFULLY BY THIS CHRISTMAS THAT'LL BE GONE, BUT AT THE Y PLEASE COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

BUT IF WE HAVE TO GET INVOLVED, LET US KNOW.

WE'LL HELP.

ALSO, WHAT I WANT TO MENTION, I THINK, UH, COUNCILOR F HE MENTIONED ABOUT HELPING AT THE TRAIL HEADS.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE GET TO THE SIM PROJECT, I'M GOING TO BE MENTIONING THAT ONCE WE GO WITH THIS PARKING PERSON THAT'S GONNA BE A PARKING MANAGER TO LOOK AT BOOTING INSTEAD OF TOW TRUCKS.

TOW TRUCKS, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO, I HOPE THAT ONCE WE GET THIS PARKING MANAGER THAT THEY CAN HELP AS FAR AS DOING A BOOTING PROGRAM, I TEND TO THINK THAT A TOW TRUCK TAKES A, A CAR OUT OFF OF DRY CREEK ROAD OR OFF OF SOLDIER PASS, THEY PULL THAT CAR OUT, SOMEONE'S GONNA PARK IN THAT SPOT.

THAT DOESN'T HELP YOU.

YOU SEE A COUPLE OF CARS WITH BOOTS ON THEM.

I BET THAT WOULD HELP, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S MANAGED.

HOWEVER IT'S GONNA BE MANAGED.

IT WOULD HAVE TO, I GUESS COME FROM LEGAL AND THE PARKING MANAGER.

WE NEED TO DO MORE AND WE'RE NOT.

SO THAT'S A LOT TO GIVE YOU, BUT YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER THAT MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME CHANGES OR DO YOU NEED HELP FROM US? I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ONE SOLUTION AND I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST STRICTLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, SOLE RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO EN ENGINEERING EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT, AND A LOT OF THE TIMES WE COME IN ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF IT MM-HMM.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO COME IN AFTER.

SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE GOT HERE, UM, AS A, AS A COMMUNITY BY, BY BUILDING AND EXPANDING THAT WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY GET TO MORE SOLUTIONS AS A TEAM TOGETHER.

WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LEADERS IN THAT TO, TO ASSIST WHERE WE CAN

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IF IT'S TRAFFIC CONTROL.

AND, UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AS A STRATEGY FOR OUR ENTIRE, UM, CITY, WE, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND REALLY CONTINUE TO STRATEGIZE WHAT IS OUR PLAN GOING FORWARD.

UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD THROW, YOU KNOW, UM, OFFICERS OR EARN MONEY TO THAT, BUT THAT AGAIN, THAT'S SHORT LIVED BECAUSE THEY'LL BURN OUT.

SO THAT CAN ONLY LAST SO LONG, YOU KNOW, AND IF IT'S AROUND THE HOLIDAYS, IT MAKES IT MORE ENTICING FOR SURE, UM, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR EXTRA MONEY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE RUNNING INTO ISSUES WITH THEN THEY'RE NOT GETTING DAYS OFF, THEY'RE GETTING ILL, THEY'RE GETTING INJURED.

SO I THINK I DO THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WORK TOGETHER AS, AS A TEAM AND, AND A GROUP AND REALLY STRATEGIZE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO, TO PUT SOME BETTER SOLUTIONS TO IT.

AND TRAFFIC CONTROL WILL CONTINUE TO BE PART OF IT.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO REGROUP AND, AND I'LL HAVE A REALLY SERIOUS TALK ABOUT WHERE WE WANT TO GO AND, AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH WHAT THE CHIEF IS SAYING.

THERE ARE REAL LIMITS TO WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN DO.

AND SAYING THAT SHE HAS TO COME UP WITH ONE ANSWER, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND SHE'S PROBABLY GONNA TELL YOU THAT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S THE REALITY OF THE, OF THE TRUTH IS THAT THERE ISN'T A GOOD SOLUTION.

UM, YOU, YOU, SHE'S UNDERSTAFFED NOW.

SHE IS NOT AT FULL CAPACITY.

THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT OVER TIME OR THEY DON'T WANT OVER TIME.

I THINK SHE'S SAID ONE THING WHICH GIVE PEOPLE MORE TIME AND IT MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR, FOR TRAFFIC, FOR PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH A, A SCHEDULE TO GIVE HER BEFORE TIME OF TIMES IN THE PAST.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT EVERY TIME THERE'S A TRAFFIC PROBLEM AT THE Y THAT THERE'S GONNA BE DA DA, THE COP COMES AND AND STRAIGHTENS IT ALL OUT.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE WAY THESE THINGS ARE GONNA BE SOLVED.

I THINK THAT HE, THAT SHE MADE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS ABOUT SOME OF THE SIM THINGS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE THAT DOWN THE ROAD.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY IT CAN'T GO ON, ACTUALLY IT CAN GO ON.

WELL, IT COULD, NO, IT CAN GO ON AND THERE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE PART OF AN OVERALL STRATEGY.

I THINK LAYING IT ON THEIR FEET AND TELLING THEM YOU GOTTA COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT IT MAY BE IT'S, AND I DOUBT THAT IT'S MORE MONEY.

THEY CAN'T GET CSAS OR CSOS ANYWAY AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE POLICE SHORTAGES.

I THINK THERE'S A REAL LIMIT TO WHAT YOU COULD LOOK TO STEPHANIE OR THE CHIEF TO DO.

AND SO I, I THINK HER IDEA OF SITTING AND STRATEGIZING WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER AND PUBLIC WORKS IS THE WAY IT HAS TO GO.

I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT MY MESSAGE IS NOT, THE MESSAGE THAT YOU GAVE MY MESSAGE IS IT'S A PROBLEM.

I THINK WE WOULD ALL LIKE A SOLUTION.

THE POLICE ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THAT SOLUTION, BUT I, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR HER TO COME BACK WITH THE PLAN FOR ELIMINATING THE TRAFFIC CONGESTIONS AT THE Y THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE DAYS? OKAY.

CONTINUE ON CHIEF OR SHERRY.

SO THE NEXT DECISION PACKAGE IS RELATED TO THE P-S-P-R-S ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTION.

AND I HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO TALK ABOUT THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY THAT WE HAVE.

SO, UM, HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY FOR YOU ON, UM, OUR LIABILITY AND THE UNFUNDED PORTION.

AS OF, UM, JUNE 30TH, 2023, THE LIABILITY IS 18 MILLION.

THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE TO COVER THAT IS 14 MILLION THAT ARE IN THE PLAN.

SO THAT LEAVES AN UNFUNDED LIABILITY OF 4.1 MILLION.

SO WE HAVE BEEN, UM, BRINGING THAT DOWN.

UM, OUR FUNDED STATUS IS NOW AT 77%.

SO THAT HAS, HAS COME UP.

AND, UM, HERE'S A, UM, CHART THAT SHOWS YOU THAT.

SO THE BLUE BARS ARE THE UNFUNDED, UM, LIABILITY AND THE ORANGE LINE IS THE FUNDED STATUS.

SO YOU CAN SEE BACK IN THE EARLY YEARS, UM, WHEN THE LIABILITY WAS NOT MUCH AND OUR FUNDED STATUS WAS HIGH.

UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED ON THE, UH, LEGISLATURE SIDE WHERE BENEFITS WERE BEING LEGISLATED, BUT NO FUNDING SOURCE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO OF COURSE THINGS DIDN'T TURN OUT WELL.

THE, UM, UNFUNDED LIABILITY WENT UP.

THE, THE FUNDED LEVEL WENT DOWN.

UM, FOR, UM, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME TO LIGHT OF, UM, THE IMBALANCE THAT WAS

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THERE'S BEEN A HUGE AMOUNT OF PROGRESS THAT CITIES HAVE MADE.

AND SO, UM, NOW WE CAN'T SAY THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE IN A GROUP OF WHERE, UM, UH, MOST OF THE CITIES ARE IN A PRETTY DECENT SPOT BECAUSE EVERYONE'S BEEN PUTTING IN EITHER EXTRA CONTRIBUTIONS.

UM, CITY OF PRESCOTT WAS ONE THAT ACTUALLY DID ATTACKS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO COVER THEIR UNFUNDED LIABILITY.

SOME HAVE ISSUED BONDS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PUT MONEY IN, UM, TO PAY OFF THEIR LIABILITY.

AND NOW THEY'RE PAYING THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE BONDS.

SO A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE.

UM, SO SHERRY, BEFORE YOU GO ON, COUNCILOR LTZ HAS A QUESTION.

I SHE CAN GO AHEAD AND FINISH THAT SLIDE AND THEN I'LL ASK MY QUESTION.

UM, THEY ALWAYS TELL YOU IN THE ACTUARIAL REPORT, UM, WHY YOUR LIABILITY HAS CHANGED.

UM, SO FROM THE FISCAL YEAR 22 LIABILITY TO THE FISCAL YEAR 23, UM, THE PART OF THE CHANGE IS RELATED TO, UM, THE, THE ASSETS THAT THEY HAVE IN AND WHAT, UM, EARNINGS THAT THEY GOT ON THOSE.

THE, UM, EARNINGS RATE THAT THEY ASSUME, UM, WHEN THEY DO THEIR ACTUARY EVALUATIONS IS 7.2.

UM, THEY DON'T USE A ONE YEAR SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WAS THE INTEREST RATE.

THEY DO THE SEVEN YEAR SMOOTHING PLAN IN LOOKING AT WHAT THE ACTUAL EXPERIENCE WAS.

SO THE SMOOTH RATE OF RETURN FOR THE SEVEN YEARS WAS 6.9, UH, BUT THE ACTUAL RETURN FOR FISCAL YEAR 23 WAS 7.7.

SO ABOVE THE ASSUMED, UM, EARNINGS RATE, THE, UH, PAYROLL BASE.

UM, SO THEY LOOK AT AN OVERALL ESTIMATION OF WHAT THEY THINK THE PAYROLL GROWTH AMOUNT IS GOING TO BE.

AND UM, SO IT WAS A HIGHER PAYROLL GROWTH THAN WHAT THEY HAD ASSUMED, UM, THE LIABILITY EXPERIENCE.

UM, SO THE PAYROLL GROWTH IS, UM, BASICALLY LIKE, UM, POSITIONS BEING ADDED, WHEREAS LIKE THE LIABILITY EXPERIENCE IS RELATED TO THE SALARY INCREASES.

SO SALARY INCREASES WERE HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY, UM, ANTICIPATED.

BUT ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WE PUT IN THAT'S HELPED BRING DOWN THE LIABILITY LOWER THAN WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, THE, THEY UM, STILL DOING A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING ON WHAT THEIR ASSUMPTIONS AND THEIR METHODOLOGIES ARE.

SO IN, UH, THE FISCAL YEAR 23 REPORT, THEY DECREASE THE ASSUMPTION OF PAYROLL GROWTH FROM TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT TO THE 2%.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS KIND OF WHERE THEY'RE GONNA END.

THEY'VE BEEN NOTCHING THAT DOWN AND I THINK 2% IS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA KEEP IT.

UM, THEY DID AN AUDIT ADJUSTMENT, UM, FOR PRO RATING COLA BENEFITS, UM, IN THE FIRST YEAR OF RETIREMENT.

AND UM, THEN THEY ALSO DID SOME CHANGES AND BENEFITS FOR, UM, AN ACTIVE STATUS, UM, WHERE MAINTENANCE OF EFFORT ADJUSTMENT FOR UNFUNDED LIABILITY AMORTIZATION WAS REMOVED.

SO, UM, GOING BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT, SO WHERE WE'RE AT AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2023, OUR LIABILITY IS 4.1.

UM, THE 1.5 MILLION THAT'S IN THE DECISION PACKAGE, UM, THAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO, UM, INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET.

UM, WE'LL HELP BRING THAT DOWN.

WE ARE LIMITED ON OUR INVESTING.

UM, STATE STATUTES SAY THAT WE CANNOT INVEST IN ANYTHING THAT HAS A TERM LONGER THAN FIVE YEARS.

THE, UM, AND THERE'S CERTAIN LIMITATIONS ON WHAT KIND OF INVESTMENTS WE CAN INVEST IN.

IT'S MUCH MORE OPEN FOR P-S-P-R-S AND THEY EARN THESE HIGHER RATES OF RETURN.

UM, SO THOSE 7.7% THAT THEY EARN FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, SO THEY'RE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION TO UTILIZE THAT MONEY TO EARN MORE INTEREST.

PLUS WE GET CHARGED LESS INTEREST ON THE LIABILITY BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING IT OFF SOONER.

SO IT DEFINITELY BENEFITS US IN THE LONG RUN TO DO THAT.

SO SHERRY, THE, THE ONE AND A HALF MILLION WOULD BE PAID OUT OF A SURPLUS, OUT OF BUDGET SURPLUS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND WE HAVE, WHAT IS IT? WE HAVE LIKE TWO AND A HALF MILLION FROM FISCAL 23 STILL.

IS IT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HOW, UM, SO AFTER THIS ONE AND A HALF MILLION THERE WOULD BE FOUR POINT, I THINK IT WAS 4.3 MILLION FROM LAST YEAR, FROM FISCAL YEAR 23.

AND THEN YOU'RE PROJECTING LIKE 11 FOR THIS YEAR? YES.

AND THEN ABOUT THREE FOR NEXT YEAR.

YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT AS A POSSIBLE STRATEGY OF JUST GOING AHEAD AND PAYING OFF THE FULL 4.1 THIS YEAR? UM, I THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS, AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE PLANTING A SEED FOR MY COLLEAGUES IS WHY NOT GO AHEAD AND JUST PAY THE WHOLE THING OFF? MM-HMM.

, UH, AT THIS POINT, GIVEN THAT IT IS, I MEAN YOUR ARGUMENT IS COMPELLING, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT FROM WHAT YOU HAD IN THE BOOK, THAT IT'S A BETTER RETURN TO HAVE THAT MONEY GO INTO P-S-P-R-S THAN FOR US TO BE SITTING ON IT.

WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF SURPLUS.

EVEN IF WE WIND UP PUTTING A WHOLE BUNCH MORE INTO THE HOUSING FUND, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND IT ALL IN THE NEXT YEAR ANYWAY.

SO IF, IF,

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I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LONG RANGE FORECAST AND I SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES.

SO IF THAT'S THE PRIORITY, GREAT.

THANK YOU MAYOR SHERRY, JUST BACK, UH, TO YOUR PRESENTATION, A COUPLE SLIDES BACK.

I DON'T KNOW, YOUR PAGES 46 AND 40 47 AND THE, AND THE PAGE PREVIOUS, IT LOOKS, UH, UNFUNDED.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THE CHART AND THE GRAPH AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY AND THE FUNDED STATUS OR THE ARE CONSIST OR THERE, UH, INCLUDED IN BOTH THESE PAGES.

SO YOU'VE GOT ACTUARIAL LIABILITY AND FUNDED STATUS, THE ORANGE BAR AND THE BLUE BAR, THE ORANGE LINE AND THE BLUE BARS AND THE PAGE PREVIOUS.

YES, THERE'S THOSE SAME CATEGORIES, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE, SO, UM, THIS IS USING THE MARKET VALUE OF THE ASSETS.

SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THEY REQUIRE US TO REPORT THE INFORMATION.

SO EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, YOU'LL, YOU'LL LOOK AT IT AND GO, WAIT A SECOND, WHAT .

SO, UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE I'M SHOWING YOU BASED OFF OF, UH, WHAT THE ACTUAL VALUE OF THE ASSETS IS.

AS OF, FOR INSTANCE, JUNE 30TH, 2023 IN THE OTHER SLIDE, THEY'RE CALCULATING THE ASSETS ON AN ACTUARIAL VALUE BASIS.

UM, AND SO IT'S A, YOU END UP WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NUMBER VALUE AND ACTUARY VALUE.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING THAT ON THE THE CHART YOU SEE THE UNFUNDED STATUS, 76%, 68% UP TO 77%.

BUT THE PLOT DOESN'T SHOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS ACCOUNTING.

BUT, AND, AND I ONLY MENTIONED THAT RELATIVE TO COUNCILOR FO'S IDEA SETTING ABOUT JUST PAYING OFF THE WHOLE UNFUNDED LIABILITY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY OPEN-MINDED TO, 'CAUSE THIS IS OLD DEBT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO JUST GET IT PAID OFF.

UM, BUT I WANNA JUST BE CLEAR WITH EVERYBODY THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE EVERY YEAR MOVING FORWARD THAT ADDITIONAL UNFUNDED LIABILITY WILL BE GENERATED.

NOW THE NUMBERS WILL BE SMALL, RIGHT? THEY'LL BE LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS ROUGHLY.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, IT DISASTERS CAN HAPPEN IN THE MARKET AND THEY COULD BE BIGGER, BUT THEY COULD BE MUCH MORE ADDRESSABLE NUMBERS ON A GO FORWARD BASIS.

UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S CLEAR ABOUT THE IDEA OF CLEARING OUT THE UNFUNDED DOESN'T MAKE IT GO AWAY FOREVER, BUT IT MAKES IT TOLER, IT MAKES IT ADDRESSABLE PERHAPS.

AND WOULDN'T THAT BE, WOULDN'T WE BE REALLY, UH, TRENDSETTERS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA IF WE WERE TO PAY OFF OUR UNFUNDED LIABILITY AND ACTUALLY SET IN A PROCESS TO TRY AND PAY IT OFF EVERY YEAR? THAT WOULD BE STELLAR.

AND, AND, AND THERE ARE ARE SOME CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT.

THAT'S MY QUESTION.

WHERE, WHERE THEY WENT AND THEY SAID, OKAY, I'M, I'M, WE'RE TAKING OUR SURPLUS DOLLARS AND THEY JUST PAID IT ALL OFF.

SO THEY SAID, WE'RE MAKING THAT THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

THEY PAID OFF THE ENTIRE LIABILITY AND THEN EVERY YEAR THEY PAY WHATEVER IT TAKES TO KEEP THEM AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED LEVEL.

JESSICA, DO YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS TO THIS? SHE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

KATHY, THOSE CITIES THAT HAVE PAID THEM OFF SHERRY, ARE THEY, UM, ANY INCOMPARABLE IN SIZE, UM, AND BUDGET SIZE TO SEDONA MUCH BIGGER AND THEY HAVE MUCH BIGGER LIABILITIES.

OKAY, CONTINUE ON.

SO CIP SO POLICE HAS TWO CIP PROJECTS, UM, BOTH, UM, NEW FOR STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 25, PD TWO, THE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT HAS BEEN ONGOING.

THIS IS FOR THE PHASE TWO OF THAT PROJECT.

AND, UM, THEY'RE ALSO WANTING TO DO AN UPGRADE ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA SYSTEM.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT, YES.

THE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT IS, IS THAT STILL DEPENDENT THOUGH ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GOTTA HAPPEN THERE SO THAT THEN THIS EXPENDITURE MAY NOT HAPPEN IF THEY, IF THAT OTHER PART DOESN'T HAPPEN? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

UH, YES.

OUR DEPARTMENT HERE ON ROADRUNNER.

UM, YES, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR AGAIN REPRESENTING, UH, UH, THIS PROJECT THAT'S STILL ISN'T FINISHED, BUT I CAN SAY THAT, UM, WE'RE MUCH FURTHER ALONG THAN WE WERE LAST YEAR.

AND YES, WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE INTO PHASE, WE'RE GONNA DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GONNA DO PHASE TWO OR PHASE THREE, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, PHASE TWO IS IF WE'RE GONNA PUT A ANTENNA AT THE FIRE STATION AT SOUTHWEST AND PHASE THREE WOULD BE AT, UM, UH,

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SO ONCE, UM, WE'RE COMPLETELY FINISHED WITH PHASE ONE, WHICH I ANTICIPATE BEING IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS 'CAUSE WE ARE AT 93% COMPLETED.

UM, THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR, UM, VOLUNTEERS, OUR RADIO TECHS GO AROUND AND DO SOME MORE TESTING TO SEE WHICH WOULD BE MORE FEASIBLE, WHICH PHASE WE SHOULD GO INTO.

CAN PHASE THREE HAPPEN WITHOUT PHASE TWO? YES.

THANK YOU JESSICA.

UM, THE BODY CAMERA, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

YOU SAY THERE'S NINE OF THEM.

JESSICA, COULD WE JUST, COULD WE JUST GO JUST WITH THE, UH, JUST WE'LL GET TO THE BODY CAMERA.

I'D LIKE TO STATE THE ONE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO, UH, AARON CAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'VE BEEN PUTTING UP WITH THIS FOR SO LONG.

I KNOW YOUR CHALLENGE AND JUST THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN INTO PHASE TWO WHEN IT'S REALLY NOT THE, YOU'RE NOT THE HINDRANCE, IT'S THE FIRE DISTRICT.

AND THAT'S, I KNOW FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THAT'S A BIG CHALLENGE.

SO WHAT IS BEING DONE TO OVERCOME, TO GET, I MEAN, IF IT'S 10 YEARS TO GET TO PHASE 93% OF PHASE ONE, IF WE APPROVE THIS, HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET TO PHASE TWO? AND THEN WE HAVE THE COUNTY AND THE, THE DISPATCH CENTER THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THE CHIEF AND MYSELF AND, UH, ANNETTE WILL BE GOING TO, I KNOW A LOT FROM WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME BECAUSE OF MY COUNTY, UH, MANAGER, COUNTY, UH, UH, SUPERVISOR AND MAYOR MANAGER MEETINGS.

I'VE BEEN GOING TO, I'VE LEARNED A LOT LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

OF NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT GOES UP TO THE, UH, TO CELL SITES LIKE, LIKE CELL PHONES? IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL MODERN TECHNOLOGY GOES A LONG WAY.

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

THERE'S SO MANY CHALLENGES.

HOW DO I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET TO, OR HOW WILL WE KNOW THAT WE CAN EVEN GET TO ANYTHING ON THIS, UH, BUDGET? SO, UM, I, IT IS AN EXTREME FRUSTRATION OF ALL OF OURS, UH, JUST, AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DONE WITH PHASE ONE.

LIKE, UM, AARON JUST SAID WE'RE AT 93% RIGHT OF PHASE ONE.

LAST YEAR WHEN I WAS HERE, IT WE WERE AT 75%.

SO IN ONE YEAR WE'VE GAINED 18%.

UM, AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES.

IT'S, IT'S WITH UNFORTUNATELY FOR SEDONA FIRE, IT'S HAVING THE STAFFING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PROJECT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, WE'VE TALKED LAST YEAR MM-HMM, ABOUT BOB AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS NO MORE BOB, BOB QUITS ANY.

SO I KNOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO TRY AND HIRE PEOPLE TO HELP KEEP THIS PROJECT GOING.

UM, BEFORE KAREN, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT IN HER RETIREMENT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WE NEEDED TO STRATEGIZE MORE POTENTIALLY WHAT THE PRIORITY WAS GOING TO BE AND HOW WE WOULD GET THERE.

UM, SO I, I MET WITH ANNETTE DURING MY FIRST MEETING AND WE TOO PLANNED TO SIT DOWN AND, AND HAVE TO LOOK AT A LOT MORE STRATEGIES THAT MIGHT BE POTENTIAL, UM, US COMING TO THE TABLE MORE WITH SOME, SOME OTHER OUTSIDE RESOURCES TO HELP MOVE THIS PROJECT ALONG IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER.

BECAUSE, UM, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S SET UP FOR FOUR PHASES.

SO ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH PHASE ONE, WE KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO PHASE TWO OR IT'S PHASE THREE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO PHASE TWO AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO PHASE THREE, OR WE MIGHT IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL PROB, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS AND CONCERNS THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE 10 YEARS AGO THAT NOW COME TO LIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE EVEN FURTHER BEHIND IN THE TECHNOLOGY.

SO WHAT WE DID IN THIS BUDGET WAS ALSO INCREASE THE COST AS A PLACEHOLDER TO SAY, THESE COSTS ARE VERY OLD, THEY'RE 10 YEARS OLD TO WHAT WE, WHAT WE PUT OUT THERE THAT IT MIGHT COST TO FIX OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS NEXT YEAR WHERE WE ARE WHEN WE ARE COMPLETED WITH PHASE ONE.

AND ERIN SAID A COUPLE WEEKS AND I'M GONNA MORE, MORE SO I'M, I DON'T HAVE DISAPPOINTMENT THINK BY THIS JUNE BEFORE WE'RE DONE WITH THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE DONE.

WE, UM, BECAUSE I JUST, I, IT'S HARD TO, TO BE DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS HASN'T GONE FURTHER.

UM, AND THAT WE'RE STILL HAVING THE CHALLENGES AROUND TOWN TO USE OUR RADIOS WHERE SOMETIMES OUR CELL PHONES MIGHT WORK BETTER.

UM, SO WE, WE ARE GONNA PLAN TO SIT DOWN AS, AS A TEAM AND, AND EVEN MEET WITH SEDONA FIRE, HAVE THE FIRE CHIEF COME OVER AND REALLY TALK ABOUT, UM, KEEPING THIS MORE ON OUR RADARS ON A MONTHLY MEETING AND, AND TRYING TO KEEP, UM, PUSHING THIS FORWARD.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF GREAT VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE, UH, RADIO AND ENGINEERING BACKGROUND THAT ARE WILLING TO ASSIST US AND ASSIST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TOO.

SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO, TO HAVE A, A MUCH BIGGER CONVERSATION AND STRESS THE, THE URGENCY AND NEEDS, WHICH YOUR CITIZEN BUDGET COMMITTEE, UM, THEY, THEY WERE GREAT DURING OUR CONVERSATION AND, AND REALLY UNDERSTAND AND WANT TO PUSH THIS FORWARD TOO.

SO, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOUR VOLUNTEERS, YOUR STAFF I'M SURE ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

NOT A QUESTION, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE FIRE DISTRICT AND THEIR TOWERS AND BASICALLY IT COMES DOWN TO THEIR TOWERS AND THE EQUIPMENT, EVEN IF YOU BUY THE EQUIPMENT TO GET ON THEIR TOWERS, IS THERE ANY TYPE

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I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED AARON? UH, WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED TO HELP US? SO THERE IS ACTUALLY, UM, CELLULAR TECHNOLOGY THAT AS, UM, THERE IS A, UM, A, UM, INITIATIVE THAT HAS STARTED DOWN IN LIKE TUCSON IN THAT AREA AND WITH SOME STATE FUNDING, THEY ARE, UM, TRYING TO EXPAND THE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE TRUNK SYSTEM, UM, TO BRING IT CELLULAR, ESPECIALLY TO BRING IT UP HERE TO THE NORTHERN REGION.

IT'S, UM, A PROGRAM THAT DPS HAS STARTED AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH MOTOROLA AT AND T AS WELL AS GET SOME STATE FUNDING.

BUT THAT'S, UM, A FEW YEARS OUT TO GET UP HERE.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE TABLE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DEFINITELY BEING LOOKED AT AND IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE AN OPTION.

AND ERIN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DISCUSS IN AND YOU ATTEND A LOT MORE OF THE MEETINGS, WE HAVE TO GET OUR CURRENT TECHNOLOGY UP TO A POINT THAT IT CAN ADAPT WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY, RIGHT? SO WE CAN'T EVEN INTEGRATE WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY UNTIL WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY.

AND SO IN SOME WAYS IT'S GREAT DPS AND OTHERS ARE LEADING THE CHARGE AND, AND GETTING IT DOWN THERE SO THAT BY THE TIME HOPEFULLY WE'RE IN A BETTER POSITION, WE'RE INTEGRATING, BUT WE CAN'T UNTIL OUR CURRENT TECHNOLOGY GETS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL THAT ALLOWS US TO INTEGRATE WITH THE NEWER TECHNOLOGY.

AND THEN FOR THE LIMITED INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE SO FAR, AND I'VE BEEN GIVEN, AND WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN, I GUESS WE'LL GO TO PRESCOTT NEXT WEEK OR TWO WEEKS.

I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PUSH BY OUT BY COUNTY AND I KNOW ABOUT THE, THE PSAP LOSING THAT PSAP AND LOSING THAT CONTROL.

AND I THINK WE HAVE GREAT DISPATCHERS.

I'D LIKE TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE AND TO KEEP IT IN HOUSE.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GONNA GET BETTER.

WELL, AND THANK YOU.

'CAUSE I DO APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT.

I, I THINK FOR US RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE IN SUCH THE BEGINNING STAGES OF DOING THE RESEARCH AND STUDY TO IDENTIFY AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN OUR, IN OUR CHIEF OF POLICE MEETINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T JUST WANT TO THE STUDY TO ONLY GO TO THE ONE SIDE OF PRESCOTT.

THIS SIDE REALLY NEEDS A STUDY TO, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OVER HERE.

WE CAN'T, WITHIN OUR OWN COMMUNITY SPEAK FROM 1 79 SOMETIMES TO OVER BY THE HIGH SCHOOL.

SO HOW, IF YOU ESTABLISH AN AREA THAT IS MORE CENTRALIZED IN NA VERDE VALLEY.

HOW DOES THAT LOOK? SO THANK YOU FOR THAT SUPPORT.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN IS TO SEE WITH THE, THE GRANT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AND, AND DO THE RESEARCH AND STUDY WHAT THAT SHOWS, UM, BEFORE WE WOULD, UM, EVEN ENTERTAIN ANY DISCUSSION.

SO AT THIS POINT, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS AS WE'RE CONCERNED, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET OUR PSAP AND, AND OUR RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE UP TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

AND THEN MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD, YEARS OUT, THERE'S MORE CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD.

BUT IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE PREMATURE FOR US TO START MOVING THAT WAY WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH TO FOCUS ON HERE.

AND I HAD A LONG DISCUSSION WITH, UH, SUPERVISOR GREGORY ABOUT THIS, AND HE ASSURED ME HE'S SUPPORTING HAVING TWO DISPATCH CENTERS IF ONE ON OUR SIDE, ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH TOP DOMINGUEZ MOUNTAINS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO THAT, BUT, AND I REALLY EXPLAINED TO THEM HOW MUCH WE NEED OUR OWN, BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY MOVE FORWARD, IT'S PROBABLY FIVE TO 10 YEARS BEFORE THEY MOVE, THEY NEED BUILDINGS, DISPATCH BUILDINGS AND, AND THEIR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE USED, UH, IN ADDITION TO OUR TOWERS THAT ARE NOT REALLY USABLE.

I DON'T THINK SO.

UH, BUT THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THIS INFORMATION.

I THINK THIS IS THE EPITOME OF GIVING US, UH, RESIDENTS THE BEST POSSIBLE POLICE SERVICE, BUT IF WE HAVE RADIOS.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

SO NOW JESSICA, YOU WANT TO GO ON WITH THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, BUT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A PRESENTATION ON THAT.

COULD, COULD WE GET THAT PRESENTATION? AND CERTAINLY, SO CHIEF AND, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF QUICKEN HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK.

WE'RE, UM, RIGHT NOW IN A STUDY.

SO I'LL, I'LL KICK IT OFF TO HIM AND THEN IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHO'S BEST TO ANSWER.

NEXT YEAR, UM, WE'RE USING, UM, THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR AND INTO NEXT YEAR TO DO ALL THE, THE VETTING OF THE COMPANIES AND, AND REALLY FIGURE OUT WHO WE'RE GONNA HAVE.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THREE SEPARATE COMPANIES.

CURRENTLY, ONE OF THE THREE COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE HAVE, UH, GIVEN US, WE'RE IN A T AND E PHASE TEST AND EVALUATE.

WE'VE DEPLOYED SIX UNITS, UH, SIX BODY-WORN CAMERAS ON OFFICERS, UM, ON DAY SHIFT AND NIGHT SHIFT.

AND WE'RE GONNA EVALUATE IT AFTER THAT.

WE'RE ALSO GONNA SPEAK WITH ANOTHER COMPANY AND SEE ABOUT SETTING UP A TEST AND EVALUATE PERIOD WITH THEM.

UH, THE CURRENT COMPANY WE HAVE, UH, HAS BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE.

THEY'VE COME IN AND WE HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING THAT THEY'VE SET UP TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS.

SO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT UP WERE THE VIDEO TECHNOLOGY, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL ANYBODY UP THERE, IS

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RAPIDLY CHANGING.

SO WE STARTED OUT USING SEVEN 20 P FOR THE VIDEO.

WE WANTED TO SEE, UH, SEE THE VIDEO IN 10 80 P.

WE CALLED THEM, AND IT'S VERY EASY.

WE TRANSFERRED THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS OVER TO 10 80 P.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT FEATURES AND SEEING IF THIS COMPANY MEETS ALL OF OUR NEEDS.

SO IN FIVE YEARS, WE'RE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK TO DO THIS PROCESS AGAIN.

SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WORKING WITH IT IS WE, WE'VE SEEN THAT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM, GTAC, IS JUST NOT MEETING THE NEEDS.

PART OF IT WAS WITH REDACTION THAT WE WERE HAVING MANY CHALLENGES USING THEIR SYSTEM.

THEY WERE NOT AS RESPONSIVE.

UM, SOME OF THE, THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE BRINGING FORWARD FOR US TO WORK ON THAT WERE PROBLEMS, UM, WHEN WORKING WITH IT, THEY, THEY TOO HAD CHALLENGES FOR THEM TO ANSWER OUR CALL TO HELP WITH PATCHES THAT WE NEEDED.

SO IN THE REDACTION, UM, HEIDI, SHE WAS EXPERIENCING CHALLENGES TO MEET THE, THE TIMELINES FOR OUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND, AND YAVAPAI AND COCO.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO, RIGHT NOW, I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF ON THIS CONTRACTOR, UM, THE, THE PAYMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO USE THIS NEXT YEAR TO DO OUR RESEARCH TO IDENTIFY WHAT COMPANY IS GOOD FOR US.

BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS PICK SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LONG LASTING, TRIED AND TRUE SO THAT WE'RE NOT COMING HERE EVERY FIVE YEARS AND, AND ASKING FOR, FOR AN UPGRADE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO STICK WITH A SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING WHEN WE TAKE ALL THAT DATA AND WE HAVE TO MOVE IT OVER AND THEN GAIN A NEW SYSTEM AND DO IT ALL OVER WITH.

SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA SPEND THE TIME TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S THE BEST SYSTEM FOR US TO GO FORWARD WITH AND BRING, UM, AS, AS WHAT WE FEEL BEST WITH.

AND WE'RE UTILIZING SOME OF THE OTHER AGENCIES AND REALLY ASKING THEM WHAT DO THEY USE, WHAT CHALLENGES DO THEY HAVE? SO WHEN, YOU KNOW, UM, THE DC WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TESTING WHEN HE HAS IT WITH OUR OFFICERS DAY AND NIGHT, WE'RE ALSO, UM, HAVING HEIDI USE THAT TO SEE HOW THAT REDACTION PLATFORM.

SO WE'RE DOING THIS WITH EVERYBODY INCLUDED IT, PARTICIPATING IN ALL THESE MEETINGS AND, AND BEING PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT IS, IS THE BEST THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO UTILIZE.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I, UH, THE CHIEF MENTIONED ABOUT IT WAS WE'VE HAD IT ATTEND ALL OF OUR MEETINGS BEFORE WE EVEN, UH, WITH EVERY COMPANY THAT WE'VE BROUGHT IN.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, ADVANCES IN, UH, BODY-WORN TECHNOLOGY IS STORAGE OF THE DATA.

OBVIOUSLY, WHEN OFFICERS ARE OUT AND YOUR WHOLE AGENCY IS USING BODY-WORN CAMERAS, THAT FOOTAGE NOT ONLY FROM THEIR BODY-WORN, BUT ALSO FROM THE IN-CAR PLATFORM, IT HAS TO BE STORED SOMEWHERE.

CURRENTLY WITH G TAC, WE'RE STORING IT ON PREMISES.

WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS, UH, IT PUTS A TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS, UH, DUTY OR A BURDEN ON IT TO MANAGE ALL OF THIS STORAGE WITH THE COMPANIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

WHAT EVENTUALLY WILL HAPPEN, WHICHEVER OF THE COMPANIES WE DECIDE ON, EVERYTHING WILL BE STORED AND MANAGED IN THE CLOUD.

UM, I CAN ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CLOUD.

I, I CAN'T TELL YOU I'VE EVER SEEN IT, BUT , UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, I'M ASSURED THAT IT IS SAFE AND IT IS OUR VIDEO.

AND I'VE, WITH MY EXPERIENCE WITH CLOUD STORAGE, UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, UM, DATA BEING HACKED OR DISAPPEARED SO FAR.

BUT IN ADDITION, THE, THE ONE COMPANY WE'RE TESTING NOW IS ALSO THEY'RE, I'VE SPOKEN TO OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAVE USED THEM, AND I WANT TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE SURE THAT, LIKE THE CHIEF SAID, WE'RE NOT IN THIS SITUATION.

AGAIN, I SPOKE WITH, UH, AN AGENCY IN NEW MEXICO, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIGGER THAN US.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS SERVICE.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE COURTING A COMPANY AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH SALESPEOPLE, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA GET THE BEST SERVICE AND THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE RESPONSIVE.

THE COMP UH, THE AGENCY I SPOKE WITH, UH, WAS HOBBES, NEW MEXICO, AND I HAD A, A VERY LONG CONVERSATION AND A VIDEO CHAT WITH IT AS WELL TO ASK THEM ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE WORKING OUT WITH THIS ONE PARTICULAR COMPANY.

AND THEY SAID THE FIRST FIVE YEARS, THEY SIGNED A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.

THE FIFTH YEAR THEY WERE HAVING SOME ISSUES.

THEY, THEY WERE STARTING OUR SEE A DECLINE IN SERVICE.

THEY SPOKE WITH THE, THE CEO, THEY HAD A TEAM OUT THERE A WEEK LATER, AND THE TEAM WAS THERE FOR TWO WEEKS, RESOLVED ALL OF THEIR CONCERNS.

SO WE ARE GONNA VET THE COMPANY.

THE COMPANY ALSO INTEGRATES WITH OUR REPORT SYSTEMS SPILLMAN.

SO AGENCIES HAVE ALSO SAID, SO IT'S ALL GONNA BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE.

WE'RE GONNA GET THE RIGHT SYSTEM AS WELL.

AND IF YOU, IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU GOT, UH, YOU, EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE A DEMONSTRATION, WE COULD ACTUALLY GET THE VIDEO AND SHOW YOU THE QUALITY.

IT'S PRETTY, UH, AMAZING THE, THE QUALITY OF FOOTAGE WE CAN, UH, ACQUIRE NOW WITH THESE BODY WARRANTS.

SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR IS JUST REALLY DOING A PLACEHOLDER TO LET YOU KNOW AND TO KEEP ON YOUR MINDS.

NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA BE COMING, AND THIS WILL BE PART OF OUR PROCESS

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SO THIS IS MORE OF A PLACEHOLDER SO THAT WE KNOW IT, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR.

COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON, AND THEN I'LL WEIGH IN.

YEAH, I, I MEAN, I, SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 500,000 AS A PLACEHOLDER? SO, I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF A PLACEHOLDER IN THIS CONTEXT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY PLANNING ON SPENDING ANY MONEY THIS YEAR IN 20, IN 25, OR, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

THE, THE, IT'S A PLACEHOLDER FOR, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH OKAY.

IS NEEDED.

25.

UM, SO HOW MANY, YOU HAVE SIX CAMERAS NOW YOU HAVE NINE CAMERAS.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD EARLIER.

SO IS THAT, DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF YOUR ENTIRE FORCE NOW? IS EVERYBODY BODY CAMMED UP? SO THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW IS THAT WE HAVE A POOL OF NINE CAMERAS.

SO THAT WAY EVERYBODY THAT'S ON USE ONES RIGHT, THEY DOCK IT SO THAT IT'S BEING RECHARGED.

SO NOT EVERYBODY'S ISSUED THEIR OWN PERSONAL NO, NO, BUT EVERYBODY WEARS IT ALL WHEN THEY'RE ON.

THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION IS.

ACTUALLY, EVERYBODY USES IT WHEN THEY'RE ON DUTY.

EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE FIELD AND ALL OF OUR CARS ALSO HAVE CAMERAS, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

SO THERE'S OUR IN-CAR, AND THEN THERE'S THE BODY WORN.

AND THIS, THIS WOULD BE REPLACING BOTH THOSE SYSTEMS SO THAT THEY'RE THE SAME.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, WOULD BE REPLACE REPLACING BOTH COMPANIES WITH ONE COMPANY.

WE WOULD REPLACE BOTH CAMERAS WITH ONE COMPANY.

SO RIGHT NOW, GTAC DOES OUR INCAR AND OUR BODY WORN, AND WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY OUR NEXT COMPANY.

WE HAVE TO REPLACE REPLACE THAT, DO BOTH OF THEM.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ALL ALL THE COMPANIES WE'VE LOOKED AT UTILIZE THE SAME TECHNOLOGY.

WELL, THAT, WELL, IT'S THE, IT'S THE BODY WORN AND IT ALSO COMMUNICATES WITH THE CAR AS WELL.

AND, UH, THE COMPANIES WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE ARE TESTING OUT WOULD ASSIGN EACH OFFICER THEIR OWN UNIT THAT WOULD BE THEIRS, UH, YOU KNOW, TO USE.

AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHATEVER THE COST IS, WHETHER IT'S 500,000 OR A MILLION, THAT WOULD BE SPREAD OVER FIVE YEARS.

YOU WOULD, SO IT'S NOT JUST, UH, A ONE YEAR, UH, PAYMENT.

IT WOULD BE A, A COST, UM, OVER A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.

SO WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BODY CAMERAS UNDER THE NEW CONTRACT? YOU WOULD BE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASSIGNED INDIVIDUALLY? SO CURRENTLY THE ONE COMPANY THAT WE ARE TESTING GAVE US A PRICE GIVING US 26 BODY-WORN CAMERAS.

AND THAT WOULD BE, AND, AND BASICALLY IF AN OFFICER HAS, IS UTILIZING WITH THIS COMPANY, AND I'M SURE IT'S THE SAME, VERY SIMILAR WITH OTHER COMPANIES, IF THE DEVICE BREAKS FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US SPARES TO KEEP ON HAND.

SO IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL HAVE SPARE, UH, CAMERAS IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

AND HOW IT WORKS IS IF WE SEND IT BACK TO THE COMPANY, THERE'S NO COST TO REPLACE IT.

THEY'LL SAY IT'S BROKEN.

NO PROBLEM.

HERE'S A NEW ONE.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S TOO MUCH INFORMATION FOR ME.

UM, NOW I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBER WE ARE GONNA FINALLY END UP WITH.

THANK YOU COUNCILOR FURMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR, CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF.

THIS QUESTION THAT I HAVE JUST BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION TODAY, I'M ASKING ONLY WITH THE GREATEST, YOU KNOW, RESPECT AND ADMIRATION FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

BUT THERE MUST BE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MUNICIPAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, AND I DON'T KNOW, 80, 90% OF 'EM ARE TRYING TO DO THIS PROJECT, AND THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO BODY BORN CAMERAS FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS.

A LOT.

UH, AND SO MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME, YOU KNOW, THE TOP TWO OR THREE REASONS WHY THIS IS MORE OF A SCIENCE PROJECT THAN, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS A LITTLE SCIENCE PROJECT AND I'M JUST WANNA KNOW, MY, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO FIREMEN IN THE ROOM HERE.

FIRE DEPARTMENTS LOVE TO CUSTOMIZE THEIR TRUCKS.

EACH DEPARTMENT SEEMS TO HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS AND SERVICES.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY FIRE TRUCKS ARE SO DANG EXPENSIVE.

ARE WE DOING ANYTHING HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMIZATION? WHY IS THIS SUCH A DIFFICULT PROBLEM TO SOLVE WHEN THERE'S SO MANY POLICE DEPARTMENTS TRYING TO SOLVE THE SAME ISSUE? WELL, I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY WHAT YOU, UM, ENCOUNTER IS OUR SIZE TO THEN WHAT CUSTOMER SERVICE WE GET FROM A COMPANY.

UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERSON DEPARTMENT OR EVEN LARGER, THEN TYPICALLY WE'RE NOT REALLY ON, ON A LOT OF, UM, SMALLER COMPANY'S MINDS FOR SERVICE.

THEY WOULD GO TO A COM, THEY WOULD GO TO A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT'S LARGER, MORE EQUIPMENT, UM, BETTER MONEY FOR THEIR COMPANY.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO VET IS THAT THIS COMPANY IS NOT JUST GIVING US THEIR BEST SALES PITCH.

WE JUST GET THE FIRST COMPANY THAT'S COME OUT AND THEY'RE THREE YEARS AND THEY'RE THE GREATEST THING, THEN THEY MIGHT NOT STICK AROUND.

THAT THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH IN THE YEARS TO COME.

THAT ALSO ISN'T JUST THE LATEST AND GREATEST BRAND NEW COMPANY THAT THEY'VE BEEN MINIMALLY IN SERVICE FOR MINIMALLY.

AND, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR EVEN MORE 10 YEARS.

BECAUSE IF

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UM, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT SELL TO ANOTHER COMPANY THAT THEN INCORPORATES THEM.

BECAUSE WE'VE WATCHED THAT HAPPEN TOO.

A LOT OF COMPANIES, UM, WILL START OUT AND THEY HAVE A GREAT PRODUCT AND THEN SOMEBODY BUYS THEM AND THEN THEY START INCORPORATING THEM INTO THERE.

SO YOU LOSE SERVICE OR NOW YOU'RE HAVING TO SWITCH OVER THE TECHNOLOGY TO WHAT COMPANY BOUGHT THEM OUT.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, AND I'LL JUST USE IT FROM AN A TO B2C RANGE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF WE GOT THE CREAM OF THE CROP, THE A PRODUCT, WE WANNA LOOK AT THAT TOO, BECAUSE WE REALLY JUST WANT TO DO THIS ONE MORE TIME AND COME FORWARD.

SO IF IT MEANS THAT THE COMPANY THAT WE CHOOSE IS MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT'LL GIVE US BETTER LONGEVITY AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.

THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKING LONGER.

WE COULD PICK A COMPANY REALLY QUICK, BUT WE MIGHT BE BACK IN HERE IN TWO YEARS AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED PAYING OFF THAT LEASE PAYMENT.

AND WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID COMING BACK HERE YEAR AFTER YEAR AND HAVING TO UPGRADE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SELECT THE RIGHT COMPANY.

SO WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE TIME REALLY VETTING OUT AND HAVING COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE OTHER COMPANIES, DOING OUR T AND E AND COMING IN WITH WHAT WE FEEL IS A REALLY GREAT COMPANY THAT MEETS ALL OF OUR NEEDS BEING SMALLER AND THAT WE'VE VETTED THE, THE REDACTION WE'VE WORKED WITH IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, WHAT THEY NEED IN A SERVICE.

SO THAT RIGHT NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, CHUCK'S IN THE ROOM, BUT WE PRETTY MUCH UTILIZE MICHAEL REED DAILY TO HELP WITH OUR CURRENT SYSTEM.

SO WHERE PROBABLY OTHERS IN THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO USE MICHAEL REED MORE, WE ARE OCCUPYING THE MAJORITY OF HIS TIME.

AND SORRY, CHUCK, THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER, CHIEF.

I'M SUPER SUPPORTIVE ACTUALLY, OF FINDING A GOOD SOLUTION.

THIS IS IF I WAS A YOUNGER MAN AND WANTED TO BE ENTREPRENEURIAL.

AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A GREAT FIELD, BUT , THANK YOU.

SO, UM, EXPLAIN TO ME THE COMPANY THAT YOU HAVE NOW THAT YOU SAY IS NOT WORKING.

WHAT'S NOT WORKING, AND HOW, WHEN DID WE JUST GET THOSE? IS THIS THE PAST YEAR? WE'RE THREE AND A HALF YEARS IN, I BELIEVE, UM, TO THIS SERVICE.

SO IT, WE SIGNED UP FOR FIVE YEARS.

CHUCK, DO YOU REMEMBER, ARE WE FIVE? WE'RE THREE AND A HALF YEARS INTO GTAC MY HEAD.

I THINK WE GOT, YEAH, WE'RE IN THE WEEDS ON THIS WITH THESE GUYS.

SO JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.

YEAH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A YEAR AND A HALF LEFT OF OUR CURRENT, UM, CONTRACT.

AND WHAT WE STARTED ENCOUNTERING WAS ISSUES WITH OUR, OUR REDACTION.

THEY NEVER REALLY GAVE US A PROPER FIX.

SO WE'VE, UM, UH, WITH THE HELP OF IT IDENTIFIED A NEW COMPANY THAT WE'RE USING FOR THE REDACTION.

THAT'S NOT THROUGH, UM, G GTAC ITSELF.

UH, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH STORAGE WITH THEM HELPING WITH, UM, SOME OF THE, THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES TO BE RESPONSIVE.

IT TYPICALLY, THEY HAVE ONE SERVICE PERSON THAT WILL RESPOND TO US.

UM, AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS, UH, QUICK, SO WE MIGHT DEAL WITH SOME ISSUES, UH, THAT TAKE A LOT LONGER.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.

I DO WANT TO ANSWER, BUT, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH OUR EQUIPMENT.

WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE IT SIDE, THE REDACTION IT'S A LITTLE SPREAD OUT AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO PICK.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF TECHNOLOGY.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GO ON YOUTUBE AND, UH, SEARCH FOR BODY CAM VIDEOS, ALMOST EVERYONE PROTECTS A COP.

AND THAT'S, AND, AND THE AGENCY, IT'S HUGE NOW.

I WAS VERY AGAINST IT IN THE VERY BEGINNING BECAUSE EVERYBODY DOESN'T WANT BIG BROTHER WATCHING THESE THINGS.

REALLY WILL PROTECT THE AGENCY AND OUR OFFICERS.

THERE WAS AN INCIDENT ON COFFEE POT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

I WISH HE HAD A BA BODY CAMERA.

DIDN'T REALLY CATCH IT ON THE CAR.

IT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT.

SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE.

I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD IF THERE'S ANY WAY, IF WHAT YOU HAVE ISN'T WORKING, IF IT CAN BE MOVED FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR OR THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, COMING YEAR, IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO DO THAT, IF YOU'RE, YOU COULD TEST IT OUT, GET IT ON THE OFFICES SOONER, THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING TO GO.

IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF DOING THAT? UH, ANY WHICH WAY? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS COMPANY THAT YOU'RE COMF UH, CONFIDENT THEY WILL BE AROUND IN 10 YEARS, BUT ANY COMPANY CAN GO AWAY NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY ARE.

VIDEO WITH WHAT WE ARE USING.

SO WE'VE ONLY TESTED ONE COMPANY SO FAR, UM, THAT WE'RE IN THE T AND E OF, SO WE HAVEN'T DONE THE OTHERS.

AND BECAUSE OF THIS SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S REQUIRED TO DO THE THREE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE ENTIRE PROCESS.

WE HAVE NOW DONE, UM, ADEQUATE PATCHES TO WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY USING THAT WE DO FEEL THAT WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR AND USE THIS TIME TO, TO DO, YOU KNOW, UM, A PROPER, UH, TESTING OF AND, AND RESEARCH OF EVERYTHING SO THAT WE, WE MAKE SURE WE PICK THE PROPER.

I I DON'T WANT TO SHORTEN IT BY JUST TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING.

AND I, I THINK WE HAVE PROPER PATCHES IN PLACE TO KEEP USING WHAT WE HAVE.

OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT FEELS SECURE IN IT.

WE, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE GREAT

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IT'S MORE OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO RELIEVE FROM IT.

CONSTANTLY TRYING TO HELP US BY NOT HAVING AN ADEQUATE CUSTOMER SERVICE BASE ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA SIDE.

SO.

I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINT CLEAR.

I THINK IT'S FABULOUS.

UM, AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

UH, EXCEPT, UH, NO, UH, YOU'RE NOT CHARGING MORE FEES.

GO FIGURE.

NOT THIS YEAR.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE DA? OKAY.

SO WE WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF A, A SCHEDULING CHANGE.

WE'RE DONE.

IS THAT A THUMBS UP, CHUCK? SHERRY, HOW DO YOU THINK GENERALLY WE'RE DOING TIME-WISE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE TOMORROW AND EVERYTHING, WE WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND, BUT WE USUALLY MAKE UP A LOT TOMORROW.

SO WE ARE GOING TO JUMP TO HR.

UH, ONLY IF WE CAN GET IT DONE IN 15 MINUTES.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUMPING.

IF HR, HE'S GOT A LOT GOING ON, MAN.

I TELL YOU.

WE'RE JUMPING.

HE'S NEW SERVICES.

SO HR IS BETWEEN COURT AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR BOOKS.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A PAGE 72 PAGE NUMBER.

THE PRESENTATION ON THE PRESENTATION, PAGE NUMBER 72.

AND IN YOUR, IN YOUR BOOK.

I'VE GOT IT.

IT SHOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE NEXT BANK.

THAT'S IT.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO FOR HR, I'M GONNA TRY AND GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.

UM, FISCAL YEAR 24, BUDGET DIRECT COSTS WERE ABOUT 400, 3000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 GOING TO ABOUT 553,000.

THE TOTAL CHANGE IS 37% ONGOING, 41%.

BIG PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS A DECISION PACKAGE TO ADD A POSITION THERE, A DEPARTMENT OF ONLY TWO PEOPLE.

SO THIS IS ADDING A THIRD POSITION FINALLY, AFTER MANY, MANY YEARS, .

UM, THE OTHER INCREASES IN WAGE OF BENEFITS, ABOUT 29,000.

UM, SOME INCREASE IN CITYWIDE TRAINING AND RECRUITMENT AND RELOCATION.

THE ONLY THING IN ONE TIME COST IS A SALARY STUDY FOR 20,000, WHICH, UM, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT PROBABLY EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS.

SO ANYTHING ON THE OPERATING BUDGET OR YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO THE DECISION PACKAGE.

SO, RUSS, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT YOUR DECISION PACKAGE REQUEST? YEAH, SO THE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT RIGHT FROM THE GET GO, UH, CITY MANAGER, KAREN, BEFORE CITY MANAGER ANNETTE GOT HERE, WAS, WAS INTERESTED IN TRYING TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION AT THIS TIME WHEN I CAME HERE.

AND SO RIGHT AWAY I WAS TRYING TO EVALUATE WHAT OUR STATUS QUO IS AND THEN WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE ABLE TO ADD A, AN ADDITIONAL STAFFER.

SO YOUR, YOUR DECISION PACKET KIND OF GIVES YOU THE BACKGROUND AS TO WHY AND WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THAT EXTRA MANPOWER, IF YOU WILL, IN THE PROCESS.

AND SO IN THAT, UH, EVALUATION ULTIMATELY STATUS QUO IS SOMETHING WE CAN LIVE WITH.

BUT THEN WHAT WE HAVE AS A RESULT WILL BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ULTIMATELY THAT ADDITIONAL STAFFER WOULD, ESPECIALLY MYSELF ALLOW ME TO FOLLOW UP WITH.

AND AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, RETENTION IS, IS A KEY COMPONENT OF OUR COSTS.

YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE HIDDEN COSTS THAT JUST NEVER GET SHOWN IN A LOT OF THINGS.

BUT IF WE CAN RETAIN FOLKS, PART OF THAT RETENTION IS BEING ABLE TO GET THEM, GET INFORMATION FROM THEM, AND THEN GET THEM WHAT THEY EXPECTED WHEN THEY, UH, GOT HIRED, MEET THEIR CAREER GOALS, DO THOSE THINGS.

AND DOING THAT TAKES A LITTLE MORE TOUCH, UH, THAN, UH, YOU CAN DO WITH JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS OR GREAT PARTIES THAT YOU TRY TO THROW TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO STAY.

CULTURE IS, IS, IS ONE GREAT PART OF IT, BUT HAVING THAT TOUCH, BEING ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM IN THAT THREE, SIX MONTH CYCLES WHERE THEY START TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT TWO OR THREE YEAR CYCLE, THAT 10 YEAR CYCLE WHERE THEIR CAREER IS AT A CROSSROADS, THOSE ARE POINTS THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH THEM, IF YOU WILL, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO MAKE THE NEXT LEAP IF THEY'RE LOOKING ACROSS THAT.

AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO PHYSICALLY, YOU KNOW, BE IN FRONT OF THEM AND ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.

AND SO WITH THAT EXTRA STAFF, I'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL RETURN BETTER RETENTION AS PROBABLY THE HIGHEST, IF YOU WILL, VALUE OF THAT ADDITIONAL STAFFER.

ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

THOSE CITIES AREN'T NECESSARILY

HELLO? HELLO.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE BENCHMARKS AND WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO CITIES UNDER CERTAIN POPULATION.

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TOURIST DESTINATIONS.

IS THERE A WAY IN WHICH TO BENCHMARK OUR TURNOVER RATE AND OUR TOTAL FTES PER THOUSAND POPULATION AGAINST TOURISM DESTINATIONS VERSUS JUST GENERAL CITIES? UM, JUST FROM THE ICMA DATA, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED.

SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF YOU WANTED US TO SPEND TIME DOING THAT.

YEAH, I, YEAH, MY, I GO BACK TO COLORADO WHERE ACTUALLY MY CHILDREN WERE BORN IN DESTINATIONS LIKE THAT.

AND SO IN THAT GROUP, YOU'RE RIGHT TO THE POINT NOW THEY HAD ALL SORTS OF BENCHMARKS FOR HOUSING, ET CETERA.

UH, BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE, GET THEIR NUMBERS AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF BUILD OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU DO FOR A SALARY SURVEY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WITH ADDITIONAL STAFF, I CAN BE ABLE TO REACH OUT AND MIGHT BUILD OUR OWN LITTLE, UH, GROUP OF COMPARISONS.

BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, THEY PROBABLY ALSO HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE THAT TO.

SO WE CAN SEE HOW WE COMPARE YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND AGAIN, I, ONE OF THE OPTIONS YOU HAVE THERE IS BASED ON THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP AT OUR DOORSTEP VERSUS, AND SO THAT'S PART OF ONE OF THE, THE FTE KIND OF EQUIVALENCE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THE EQUIVALENT OF ALL OF THE VOLUME THAT WE SERVE VERSUS THE ACTUAL POPULATION.

SO THERE'S SOME OF THAT YOU COULD DO WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT IT COULD BE VERY VALUABLE TO DO THAT AMONGST COHORTS, UH, ALONG WITH THE VICE MAYOR SAYING, SO NOT TO GO WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERDE VALLEY, CAMP VERDE, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DOES HR HAVE? HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DOES CLARKDALE HAVE? WHAT CLARKDALE NOT A GOOD MATCH, BUT EVEN COTTONWOOD, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES IN HR DO THEY HAVE? I THINK THEY'RE EACH AT ABOUT TWO.

UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT COTTONWOOD, I THINK THEY'RE, LET'S SAY THEY'RE AT THREE NOW.

YEAH, LOOK, I THINK THEY MIGHT BE AT THREE.

CLARKDALE I THINK IS AT ONE.

THE CITY MANAGER IN JEROME DOES IT RIGHT? YEAH.

HAD NO IDEA.

SO THEY'RE ALL IN ALL DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT YEAH.

BUT CAMP VERDE IS HOW MANY? THEY'RE AT TWO AT THIS POINT AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE MORE RESIDENTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

UM, YEAH, THE STAFFING LEVEL IS, IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AT 1 20, 1 30 AND WE'RE AT HOW MANY, WELL, FULL-TIME.

I THINK YOU'RE AT ONE 60 DEPENDING ON HOW, WHAT DECISIONS YOU MAKE.

SO WE ARE LIKE, YEAH, YOU'RE AT LEAST THE, THE POPULATION IN THE STAFF THAT YOU SERVE IS, IS PROBABLY, UH, 30, 40 MORE STAFF.

THAT'S, THAT'S, YES, ANNETTE.

UM, JUST FOR A QUICK COMPARISON TO ANOTHER RESORT CITY THAT I'M SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THAT HAS ABOUT HALF THE POPULATION AND HALF THE EMPLOYEE BASE, THAT COMMUNITY MCCALL, IDAHO AS TWO, I HEARD THAT BEFORE.

YEAH, IN OUR, IN THEIR HR DEPARTMENT.

TWO EMPLOYEES.

SO I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I GOT HERE THAT HERE WE ARE TWICE THAT SIZE, TWICE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND STILL ONLY TWO STAFF IN THE HR DEPARTMENT.

SO, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THE REQUEST BASED ON THAT.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

YEAH, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

PETE, I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION.

JUST REAL QUICKLY.

WHAT'S AN OD RATING? AND IT'S 0.8.

YEAH, SO EMAD, IF YOU'RE AT ONE, YOU'RE BASICALLY AVERAGE.

SO IF YOU'RE AT 0.8, THEN YOU'RE BETTER THAN AVERAGE, MEANING YOU HAVE LESS THAN THE SIMILAR AGAIN IN YOUR, UH, ENVIRONMENT OR COHORT THAT THEY COMPARE YOU AGAINST, UH, OVER ONE WOULD MEAN THAT YOU WOULD PAY IN THEORY A HUNDRED PLUS PERCENT OF WHAT THE AVERAGE IS.

IF YOU'RE AT 80, YOU'RE PAYING 80% OF WHAT THAT WOULD NORMALLY COST IN YOUR COHORT.

SO THE, I I JUST GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED WHEN I WAS READING THE BUDGET.

'CAUSE IN YOUR OBJECTIVES, YOU'RE CALLING OUT CONTINUE TO REDUCE THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION CLAIMS, BUT THE NUMBERS LOOK NOT BAD .

AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT I MISSED IN HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION TO IN MY SHORT TIME HERE, THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS IS WHAT I WOULD MORE REFER TO.

THE SEVERITY OF THEM DON'T SEEM TO BE AS BAD, WHICH THEN RESULT IN THE TOTAL COST OF THOSE.

BUT THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS ARE SOMETHING TO WORK ON ALL THE TIME.

AND IT'S THIS NEW PERSON ALSO GONNA HELP YOU AREA.

WELL, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WITH TEAM, THAT AREA WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT GROUPS, BUT ULTIMATELY, YEAH, I THINK THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME MORE TRAINING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN GET SUPERVISORS WHO ARE MORE IN TUNE WITH SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SAFETY TRAINING AND MAKE THAT A HIGHER PRIORITY AMONGST THEIR DAY WITH EXTRA HELP STAFF THAT CAN COME OUT AND ACTUALLY MAYBE, UH, FACILITATE SOME OF THAT.

I DID APPRECIATE THAT YOU CAME OUT OF THE BOX TALKING ABOUT THE TURNOVER ISSUE AND THINGS THAT, THAT'S SEEMS HIGH ON YOUR PLATE.

I WOULD AGREE THAT THAT'S OH YEAH, IT'S,

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IT'S GREAT.

WHY I COME TO WORK EVERY DAY IS .

AND AGAIN, IT'S SELFISH, RIGHT? IF YOU RETAIN SOMEONE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HIRING, RIGHT? SO SAVE YOURSELF THAT EFFORT IF YOU CAN RETAIN SOMEONE A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT.

ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO STEP IN.

WE HAVE A FAMILY COMMITMENT TOMORROW THAT I WAS HOPING TO GET THROUGH TODAY, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, SO I THINK WE'RE DONE FOR TODAY.

UM, YES.

DO WE HAVE TIME DO YOU THINK, TO GET THROUGH IT? 'CAUSE I KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S FOUR MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES TO FIVE MINUTES, FOUR MINUTES TO FIVE.

DON'T MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.

IT LOOKS PRETTY QUICK.

CHUCK GOT A TIE ON AND THERE WAS LIKE A HARD STOP AT FIVE FOR SOME REASON.

ANY QUESTION WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THROUGH AT IN FOUR MINUTES.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE ERP TO DISCUSS.

I THINK WE'RE DONE.

WE'RE DONE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK TOMORROW MORNING.

WE RECESS? WE ARE RECESSED.

MARC RETHINK HERE.

REALLY? SO THANK YOU.

NO, HOW DID IT GO? OKAY, WE'RE JUST WAITING.

RYAN, IS WE OKAY? WE'RE GOING DO, HE'S HERE.

I, I KNOW THAT.

THANKS FOR COMING BACK.

OKAY, WELL LET'S GET STARTED.

AND WE HAVE CHUCK, SORRY CHUCK, SORRY TO BRING YOU BACK , BUT OKAY, SO LET'S GO TO IT.

WHAT PAGE IS THAT, SHERRY? WHAT PAGE IS THAT? ? SLIDE 51.

IT ONE AND THE IT TAB IN YOUR BOOKS IS BETWEEN PD AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE? YES.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UM, SO STARTING OFF WITH IT THIS MORNING, SUMMARY CHANGES, UM, FISCAL YEAR 24, BUDGET DIRECT COSTS WERE ABOUT 2.4 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 GOING TO 2.5.

I DO HAVE A FOOTNOTE THERE.

UM, THERE WAS A, A LAST MINUTE REQUEST ADD A COUPLE CARRYOVERS FROM FISCAL YEAR 24 INTO 25 OF ONLY ABOUT $20,000.

SO IT'S NOT A LOT.

UM, THE TOTAL CHANGE IN THE BUDGET IS 3%.

THE ONGOING PORTION, UM, 10% INCREASE.

UH, SOME OF THE BIGGER ITEMS THAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, DECREASE IN ONE TIME COSTS OF ABOUT 183,000.

UM, THE INCREASE IN THE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT CONTRACTS ABOUT 231,000.

UH, THE ONE-TIME COSTS WITHIN IT TOTAL UP TO ABOUT 379,000.

UM, THE COUPLE OF THE BIGGER ONES.

SO THE COPIER LEASE, THAT'S ABOUT 49,000 FOR ALL THE VARIOUS COPIERS THAT WE HAVE.

AND COMPUTER HARDWARE, UH, INCLUDING LAPTOPS, MONITORS, SWITCHES, ALL SORTS OF, UM, TECHNICAL STUFF THAT CHUCK KNOWS VERY WELL.

UM, 186,000 FOR THAT.

BRIAN, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, REMIND ME ON THE, UH, PRIOR PAGE FOR THE 231,000 IN INCREASE IN HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, MAINTENANCE SUPPORT CONTRACTS.

WHAT'S THE DRIVER BEHIND THAT? SO THESE ARE ALL THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS.

UM, SO IT'S THE 64 36.

UM, YEAH, IT'S BASICALLY ALL THE SOFTWARE, UH, WEBSITES.

UM, A LOT OF IT IS THE NEW PROGRAMS, UH, FROM SUSTAINABILITY, TRANSIT TOURISM, UH, THAT ADDED SIGNIFICANT COSTS IN THOSE AREAS.

SO I THINK THIS STILL HAS LIKE SPRINGBROOK IN IT.

YES, CORRECT.

AND ALL THE MICROSOFT LICENSE LICENSING AND, OKAY.

NOT, I LIKE TO KEEP MY ENGINEERS ENGINEERING AND NOT ANSWERING HELP DESK.

YES, PETE, I'M SORRY.

GOOD MORNING CHUCK.

HOW ARE YOU THIS MORNING? I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

IT'S ON YOUR IT PAGE FOUR, THE WORKLOAD INDICATORS HELP DESK REQUEST PERCENTAGE FIELDED BY ENGINEERS AT 25%.

CAN YOU JUST GIMME SOME CONTEXT ON WHAT THAT MEANS? WE LIKE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT 'CAUSE UM, UH, WE HAVE BOTH OUR HELP DESK PERSON AND OUR ENGINEERS

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UM, THERE'S NO REAL BENCHMARK FOR THAT, BUT THE LOWER THAT NUMBER IS THE BETTER.

SO THAT'S NOT UN THE, THE REST OF THEM ARE NOT UNFILED, THEY'RE FIELDED BY NON-ENGINEERS AND OUR STAFF.

IF WE MOVE ON TO THE DECISION PACKAGES.

SO, UM, THERE'S ONE DECISION PACKAGE IN YOUR BOOK, UM, REQUESTED BY, UM, IT FOR WIFI OUT AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

UM, THAT IS RECOMMENDED.

UM, THERE ARE ALSO, UM, IT REQUESTS BASED OFF OF POSITIONS REQUESTED IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT THOSE COSTS WILL BE, UM, IN IT, UM, FOR ALL THE POSITIONS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED, THIS, THERE'S POSITIONS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED IN OTHER ONES THAT ARE NOT.

SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT RECOMMENDED DECISION PACKAGES FOR IT IS THE 67,000.

SO REGARDING THE, UH, WIFI FOR THE WASTEWATER, UM, OUT OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT QUESTIONS, WOULD THIS WIFI BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC OR WOULD THIS BE UM, FOR EMPLOYEES ONLY? IT'S FOR EMPLOYEES ONLY.

IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT AN AREA WHERE THE PUBLIC, WHOOPS, IT'S FOR EMPLOYEES ONLY.

UM, IT'S NOT IN AN AREA WHERE NOT EMPLOYEES CAN GET TO, BUT BASICALLY IT COVERS THE GROUNDS AND OUTWARD, UH, THEY DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE, ALL THE, SO WOULD IT BE THE SAME NETWORK THOUGH THAT THE EMPLOYEES HERE, LIKE THAT IF IS AN EMPLOYEE, ANY EMPLOYEE THAT WAS DOWN IN THAT AREA WOULD BE ABLE TO USE WIFI? CORRECT.

YOU GOOD? YEAH.

SORRY, ONE MORE.

WHAT SINCE THAT IS AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE, WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO DOWN, USE THE GROUNDS VIEWING BIRDWATCHING, WALK THE PONDS, IT, WHAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE WITH MAKING A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE NETWORK JUST TO INCREASE COVERAGE DOWN THERE? UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED INTO IN THE PAST AND, AND DISCUSS.

UM, ESSENTIALLY IF YOU HAVE A PUBLIC WIFI OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN YOU NEED SOMEONE ON CALL 24 7 365.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO OUTSOURCE AND SAVE OUR ENGINEERS FOR, YOU KNOW, PD SITUATIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UH, BUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PURSUE, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT IT WOULD INCREASE THE COST.

UM, THERE IS ONE CIP PROJECT AND THE IT CATEGORY RELATED TO THE ERP UM, SYSTEM.

UM, AND SO THAT'S IN PROGRESS.

AND I DON'T KNOW, ANDY, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT OH, THE ERP? YEAH, YEAH, SURE.

SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER, TOGETHER THE RFP FOR SELECTING THE ERP .

SORRY THAT SOUNDED FUNNY.

COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH.

UM, WE'VE, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH THE COMPANY THAT WE SELECTED TO HELP WITH THAT PROCESS.

SOFT RESOURCES IS THAT COMPANY.

WE'VE, UM, GOTTEN THE DOCUMENTS PRETTY MUCH PUT TOGETHER.

WE'RE LOOKING AT HOPEFULLY GETTING THAT SENT OUT NEXT WEEK TO START THE ADVERTISEMENT PROCESS FOR, FOR GETTING PROPOSALS.

UM, ON THAT.

WE'VE ALSO FORMED A INTERNAL COMMITTEE THAT WILL BE, UM, REVIEWING PROPOSALS WHEN WE, WHEN WE RECEIVE THOSE.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE TARGETING JULY LIKELY, UM, HAVING PROPOSALS AND STARTING THE, THE DEMO PROCESS FOR THAT.

SO WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGHOUT THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR ON, ON, UH, MAKING A SELECTION.

AND WE'VE GOT A VERY LONG LIST OF VENDORS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND SHOULD BE A FUN PROCESS.

MAYOR.

ARE YOU SENDING THE RFP OUT TO THE SPECIFIC VENDORS YOU WANT TO RESPOND? WE WILL BE, UM, NOTIFYING THEM ABOUT THE PROCESS AND IF THEY REQUEST, YOU KNOW, A COPY, WE WILL SEND IT THEIR WAY.

UM, USES THAT WILL LIKELY BE MODULES THAT WE, WE HOPE CAN RUN WITHIN THE ERP OR EVENTUALLY WE MAY FIND THAT THEY HAVE TO RUN SEPARATELY.

SO IS THAT LIKE 10 OR? OH GOSH, IT'S A LOT, LOT.

AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ON OUR, OUR LONG LIST WE HAVE, GOSH, JUST ERP COMPANIES.

I WANT TO SAY IT'S AT LEAST 10, PROBABLY 15.

BUT THEN WE HAVE OTHER SOFTWARE, UM, VENDORS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR SPECIFIC,

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BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR CERTAIN THINGS, UM, LIKE, UH, WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS WE'VE GOT PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT SOFTWARE THAT WE USE VERY LIKELY THAT WOULDN'T BE A PART OF AN ERP, IT WOULD LIKELY BE SOMETHING THAT RUNS SEPARATELY, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF RUNNING THEM WITHIN THE ERP EVEN IF THEY ARE SEPARATE.

SO MELISSA, I'M, I AM GONNA LOOK AT YOU CHUCK WHEN I ASK THESE QUESTIONS.

SO A, A COUPLE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD YESTERDAY FROM, UH, RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR TECHNOLOGY, THROUGH OUR WEBSITES.

UM, I'VE ALSO HEARD ABOUT WASTEWATER BEING, UM, DIFFICULT TO DO ARE ALL, ARE WE LOOKING AT ANYTHING AS WE BUILD OUT THE CRP? 'CAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY BUILDING A NEW INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUR BACKEND, RIGHT? UM, SERVICES, OUR BACK OFFICE TO USE THE APPROPRIATE TERM.

AND, UM, ARE WE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE THINGS AS WE GO THROUGH, AS WELL AS THE FACT ABOUT FORWARD FACING? SO THAT'S EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO FIND THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW OUR SEARCH IS CONSTRUCTED, BUT HAVING CONSTRUCTED SEARCHES MYSELF, SEARCH SYSTEM, I CAN TELL YOU OURS IS NOT GREAT.

UM, AND, AND LET, LET, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

IT COULD BE IMPROVED.

UM, ARE WE LOOKING AT ANY OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, UM, AS PART OF YOUR BUCKET? I KNOW IT EITHER BE PART OF THIS OR IT COULD BE THE FACT THAT IT'S OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WANNA ADD ON BECAUSE YOU ARE REDOING THE BACK OFFICE.

THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO ALL OF THE BACK OFFICE.

I THINK, WELL, WE'D BE HOPING THAT WHO WE SELECT DOES HAVE A, UM, OUTWARD FACE, UH, WEB PORTIONS, UH, TO INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL, UM, AS THEY COME IN AND WE EVALUATE 'EM.

BUT YEAH, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM THIS PUBLIC ALL THE TIME IS THEY DON'T THINK WE'RE TRANSPARENT AND YET WE HAVE EV ALL THE INFORMATION ANYONE COULD EVER WANNA SEE ON OUR WEBSITE.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT.

AND I THINK THE SEARCH HAS IMPROVED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

'CAUSE EVEN I COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO IT WAS REALLY HARD UNLESS YOU DO THE EXACT WORDS TO PUT IN THAT SEARCH BAR, FORGET IT.

BUT NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INTUITIVE.

BUT I THINK WE ALSO HAVE A POPULATION, YOU KNOW, A MIXED POPULATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH TECHNOLOGY AND IT'S ALMOST THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET INFORMATION.

SO TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU CAN, AND I CONCUR WITH MY COLLEAGUE HERE, USE THE ERP SYSTEM TO IMPROVE THE FRONT END.

THAT WOULD BE A REALLY WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING INTO.

SO THAT'S IT FOR CHUCK.

SEE, WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT IN 15 MINUTES.

YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE DONE THAT WITHOUT A TIE.

WELL, , YEAH.

THANK YOU CHUCK.

WE DO, WE DO APPRECIATE IT.

UM, WE DID ASK, UM, PD TO COME BACK, UM, 'CAUSE THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION, UM, FOR THEM.

SO BACK TO PD.

SO I KNOW THAT, UH, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION YOU WERE GOING TO TOUCH ON SOMETHING YESTERDAY RELATED TO, UH, LICENSE PLATE READERS IN, IN THE TECHNOLOGY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE BEEN LEARNING A LOT ABOUT AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE VERDE VALLEY.

AND I, UH, GOT SOME INFORMATION THAT I WANTED THE COUNCIL TO KNOW ABOUT, JUST SO IT'S ON YOUR RADAR.

I KNOW YOU'RE VERY FULL WITH, UH, PROJECTS THIS YEAR, BUT I WANTED THE COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AND, UH, IT'S A GREAT THING TO HAVE, UH, TO HAVE FOR OUR RESIDENTS

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SAFETY.

THERE'S A, UH, SOME LETTERS IN HERE FOR EMAILS IN HERE FROM THE COTTONWOOD, UH, ACTING CHIEF AND THE, UH, CAMP VERDE MARSHALL THAT I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF HOW GREAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS.

UH, BUT I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS IT AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING JUST TO HAVE IT ON YOUR RADAR, UH, FOR THE FUTURE.

SO, UM, UM, GOOD MORNING AGAIN, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, UH, IT IS ON OUR RADAR.

IT JUST WASN'T IN THIS NEXT YEAR'S PLANS, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE WE, WE KNOW THAT OUR PRIORITY IS THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, THE RADIO AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO COMPLETE BEFORE STARTING ANOTHER PROJECT.

BUT IT IS ON OUR RADAR.

WE'RE GONNA, UM, SIMILAR TO THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, DO SOME RESEARCH THROUGHOUT THIS NEXT YEAR SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT COMPANY WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH, THE OTHERS, THE OTHER AGENCIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY, AND EVEN ON THE PRESCOTT SIDE OF WHAT THEY'RE USING.

SO, UM, IT VERY MUCH IS ON OUR RADAR AND HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR, UH, THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING AS FAR AS HOW TO PROCEED, UM, HOW TO, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALLY SUPPORT IT AND POTENTIALLY A FEW OTHER, UM, PROJECTS SUCH AS WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR ABOUT THE ERP SYSTEM BECAUSE OF NEEDING A SCHEDULING SOFTWARE.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF WHAT, UM, THE CITY GOES WITH, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COULD USE BEFORE WE PUT OUT A REQUEST AND, UM, POTENTIALLY HAVE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT IF WE COULD JUST COMBINE AND USE, THEN WE WANNA DO THAT.

SO, RIGHT.

IT'S ON THE RADAR.

SO I'M JUST A LITTLE, I APPRECIATE, AND I'M NOT LOOKING AT TIME TERMS OF NOW, BUT WHEN BACK IN APRIL WE RECEIVED ONE OF OUR BRIEFING REPORTS AND REALLY PUT IT ON, ON MY RADAR, UH, THAT, UH, CO WOOD PD INVO INFORMED SEDONA PD OF A HIT AND RUN SUSPECT THAT WAS CAPTURED, UH, BY THE CITY'S, UH, FLOCK CAMERA, UH, GOING NORTHBOUND ON 89 A.

AND ACCORDING TO THE CO WOOD, UH, UH, ACTING CHIEF, THEY NOTIFY SEDONA PD, HE SAID TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE IT WAS.

HE, HE'S COMING TO AN ASSUMPTION, IT'S NOT A HARD NUMBER, BUT I WAS CONCERNED THAT, AND THEY HAVE 10 CAMERAS IN COTTONWOOD.

THEY HAVE A RING AROUND THEIR CITY.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH THEIR ROADS AND COMING TO US.

AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, FROM FLAGSTAFF AND THE VOC COMING INTO OUR CITY, HOW MANY PEOPLE, UH, OR BAD GUYS ARE WE MISSING? SO, UH, I TALKED WITH, UH, UH, OUR CONTACT WITH ADOT AND HE SAYS THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ON 17.

HE'S WANT TO GET ME THE INFORMATION FOR TODAY.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

BUT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, DRUG TRAFFICKING.

UH, IT ALSO HELPS WITH, UH, GRAY ALERTS AND AMBER ALERTS AND IT'S VERY INFORM, AND I KNOW I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.

I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT.

BUT FOR THE COUNCIL'S, UH, EDUCATION, I'M JUST WORRIED HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING IN TO OUR CITY THAT WE'RE MISSING.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT COULD BE, WE REALLY LOOKED AT FOR NEXT YEAR, NOT FOR THIS BUDGET, BUT FOR NEXT YEAR, UH, WITH SOME KIND OF A COMMITMENT IN YOUR MIND, NOT TO, UH, COMMIT TO US NOW, BUT YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF GREAT TECHNOLOGY, UH, THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY.

THIS I THINK WILL GO A LONG WAY TO HELPING OUR RESIDENTS FEEL MORE PROTECTED.

SO I, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU AND SOMETHING I I PICKED UP ALONG THE WAY WITH THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS.

I KNOW SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT DO BODY-WORN CAMERAS ALSO DO FLOCK.

I, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE, BUT, UH, THE COMPANIES THAT YOU ARE, UH, TESTING, DO ANY OF THOSE COMPANIES, UH, DO THE, UH, LICENSE PLATE READERS? WELL, THE ONE THAT, UM, DEPUTY CHIEF QUICKEN WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT YESTERDAY IS ONE THAT DOES PAIR UP WITH, UM, FLOCK.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH OTHER ONES.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT MANY DIFFERENT BODY-WORN CAMERA SYSTEMS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THE SYSTEM GOES INTO DISPATCH, IT CAN BE PUT OUT ON CELL PHONES FOR THE ALERTS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THE INFORMATION CAN COME IN AND GO BACK OUT TO OUR STAFF IN THE FIELD.

UH, SO WHETHER IT'S FLOCK OR ONE OF THE OTHER COMPANIES THAT HASN'T BEEN DECIDED, BUT THERE ARE SOME OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA SYSTEMS THAT DO PAIR UP WITH THE LICENSE PLATE READERS BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE STATIONARY ON THE HIGHWAY, LIKE ON A, ON A POST.

THEY ALSO HAVE SOMEWHERE YOU CAN ATTACH TO VEHICLES ON LIKE THE PUSH BUMPER.

SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL OF IT AND, AND REALLY COME WITH A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY WANT AND, AND PRESENT TO YOU.

SO JUST ONE SECOND.

SO, UM, ALSO IN SOME OF THE INFORMATION I HAVE THAT I'VE GIVEN TO ANNETTE, THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF GRANTS OUT THERE.

ADOT SAYS IT'S, THERE'S GRANTS.

THE, UH, CAMP VERDE MARSHALL GAVE PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT GRANTS.

SO MAYBE IF IT HAS TO DO ANYTHING WITH FUNDING, MAYBE THAT COULD HELP YOU.

MELISSA.

GOOD MORNING CHIEF.

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SO, UM, YOU'RE PROBABLY VERY AWARE OF THIS, BUT THERE IS A FLOCK CAMERA THAT IS, UM, FROM THE GSRC.

UH, IT'S UH, PINK JEEPS AND UH, YAVAPAI SHERIFF.

SO YAVAPAI SHERIFF IS ACTUALLY MONITORING IT OUT ON THE WESTERN CANYONS.

I'M NOT SURE IT WAS SUFFICIENT FOR THE USE OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH GSRC, BUT IT MIGHT BE, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I'LL GIVE YOU THE NAMES OF THE INDIVIDUALS LATER.

I'LL JUST SEND YOU MAIL OR WHATEVER.

UM, THAT AS LONG AS WE STILL HAVE OUR, UH, AGREEMENT WITH THEM RUNNING, PERHAPS IF YOU JUST WANT TO TRIAL ONE THERE, THERE'D BE ONE FOR YOU TO TRIAL AND THEY CAN ALSO THEN TELL YOU HOW USEFUL THEY'VE BEEN AND ALL THAT OTHER SORT OF STUFF.

UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

WELL, AND THANK YOU, UM, COUNSELOR.

SO THERE'S A COMPANY THAT WE TECH WE RIGHT NOW, UM, USE TO DO SOME BACKGROUND CHECKS AND SOME OTHER THINGS TO ASSIST US WITH, UM, SOMETIMES GOING THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA FOR FACIAL RECOGNITION, THEY CAN HELP US.

SO THAT COMPANY ALSO HAS LOANER FLOCK, LPR.

SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO IN THIS NEXT YEAR AS WELL IS USE SOME OF THEIR BORROWED OR THEIR LOANERS THAT THEY HAVE SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE A BIG EVENT, WE WANNA BRING IT IN BEFOREHAND.

UM, BECAUSE THEY'LL, THEY'LL ALREADY LOAN IT OUT.

WE ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH 'EM.

AND SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE BECAUSE REALLY WE CAN UTILIZE THIS YEAR TO MAKE A REALLY SOUND DECISION, UM, GOING FORWARD.

SO, UM, REIN IS THE NAME OF THAT OTHER COMPANY THAT, UM, WE USE AND HAVE A CONTRACT WITH CURRENTLY.

SO THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US SOME LOANERS AND, AND THAT WAY WE CAN START USING IT.

AND I'LL, I'LL JUST SEND YOU THE NAME OF THE SHERIFF ROOF THAT WE'LL BE EVEN WORKING WITH.

OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR NADES? NO.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

I APPRECIATE JUST GETTING ON THE RADAR.

IT HASN'T BEEN THAT MANY YEARS, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A FORMAL DEBRIEF WITH THEM.

OKAY, NEXT UP IS CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

SO, UM, I KIND OF HAVE THIS SEPARATED OUT FIRST TO SUMMARY OF THE, UM, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THEN, UM, THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. SO ON THIS FIRST ONE FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AS A WHOLE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET DIRECT COSTS ABOUT 1.4 MILLION DECREASING FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 TO ABOUT 1 MILLION.

THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT CHANGE IS BECAUSE THE COMMUNICATIONS PROGRAM THAT WAS, UM, UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, MOVING TO A NEW DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS THE VERY NEXT DEPARTMENT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT AFTER THIS.

UM, AND UM, THE CHANGE FOR THE OVERALL CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WAS DECREASED 29%.

SAME THING ON THE ONGOING PORTION.

UM, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY ONE-TIME COSTS.

UM, 29% DECREASE FOR CITY MANAGER ADMIN PORTION.

THE BUDGET DIRECT COSTS, UM, 892,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, UM, GOING TO 898.

SO A VERY SMALL CHANGE, 1% CHANGE.

UM, WHICH IS ALL, UM, UH, ONGOING PORTION.

UM, BASICALLY THE CHANGES ARE, UM, WAGE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, BENEFIT ADJUSTMENTS.

AND THEN, UM, UM, THE CONTRACT FOR THE LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE IN FISCAL YEAR 24, UM, WAS BUDGETED A HUNDRED THOUSAND THINKING THAT WE WERE GOING TO UTILIZE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE, THAT DIDN'T REALLY HAPPEN.

SO BRINGING IT BACK DOWN TO THE 75,000 THAT IT, WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.

SO I THINK, YEAH.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON ADMIN? UM, WE HAVE NANCY HERE ALSO WITH, TO MOVE INTO ARTS AND CULTURE PROGRAM, BUT RIGHT.

IS THIS THE TIME TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE USE OF THE LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE AND WHAT OUR LEVEL OF SATISFACTION IS AND WHETHER IT'S WORTHY OF ONGOING INVESTMENT AND WHATNOT? YEAH, I THINK SO.

OH YEAH, YEAH.

I MEAN, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK.

I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT THEY ARE NOT THE LEGISLATORS THEMSELVES, BUT THERE'S A CERTAIN DEGREE TO WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THE OTHER, AS, AS LONG AS THE RED PARTY IS IN CHARGE AND YOU GOT A GUY THAT REFUSES, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOW ANY BILLS TO HIT THE FLOOR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, IT'S KINDA LIKE, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE DOING ? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I REALIZE THAT WE HAVE AN ELECTION COMING AND THAT COULD CHANGE THINGS DRAMATICALLY AND WE CAN HOLD OUT HOPE.

BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF MY, WHERE MY COLLEAGUE'S TEMPERATURE IS ON THE ONGOING USE OF THE LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE, HOW DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? ANYTHING TO SAY? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE I'LL JUMP IN.

ANYONE ELSE? I THINK WE STILL NEED A LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE.

UH, I THINK AFTER THE SESSION IS OVER, WE SHOULD HAVE A DEBRIEF OF WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T WORK, WHAT WE COULD DO BETTER.

'CAUSE WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN ALL THE YEARS.

THEY'VE, WELL,

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AND I THINK WE SHOULD.

UH, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, I THINK WE NEED ONE, IT'S THE ONE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT ONE.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A SINGLE SOLITARY THING IN THREE YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT JUST ON STR, IT'S ON OTHER THINGS.

SO I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF THAT, OF A CONVERSATION ONCE THE SESSION IS OVER.

WHAT DO YOU WANT? YEAH.

KATHY, PETE.

YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK WE DO NEED A, THE LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE.

WE NEED OUR VOICE DOWN THERE NOW.

HOW, WHO DO WE WANNA HAVE AS OUR VOICE AND HOW EFFECTIVE IS IT? HOW CAN WE ASSESS THAT? UNLESS WE DO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF A DEBRIEFING, BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO KEEP OUR MINDS OPEN.

I LIKE THIS FIRM.

I THINK THEY HAVE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, GOOD CONNECTIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE IS OUT THERE THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING.

AND LIKE ANY SERVICE THAT WE USE, WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN DOING THAT EVALUATION.

SO THIS ISN'T A STATEMENT AGAINST, FOR OR AGAINST THE FIRM THAT WE'RE USING.

IT'S OUR PROCESS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS MORE PROACTIVELY INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING HIRED THE FIRM AND THEN SORT OF LEAVING IT IN THEIR HANDS.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM US ON THIS.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THE LEVEL OF INTERACTION.

I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY ASK KURT TO, TO ANSWER SOME OF THIS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU'RE ON THE PHONE WITH THEM OR HOW THE INFORMATION GOES.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND IN, IN EVALUATING THIS.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL WE'RE USUALLY COMMUNICATING AT LEAST WEEKLY.

UM, AND THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE JUST IN THE LAST, WHATEVER, SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS SINCE I'VE BEEN THE DESIGNATED PUBLIC LOBBYIST.

PRIOR, IT WAS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

UM, AND AT TIMES, LIKE RIGHT NOW WHEN THINGS ARE GOING ON, THEY'LL, THEY'LL TEXT OR EMAIL, UM, OR CALL MORE FREQUENTLY WHEN THERE'S A BILL UP THAT WE HAVE THAT THE CITY COUNCILS WEIGH IN, IN SUPPORT OF OUR OPPOSITION AND EXPLAIN HOW IT'S GOING.

SO THEY CERTAINLY, AS YOU KNOW, COUNCILLOR FOLTZ POINTED OUT, THEY GIVE US, UH, MORE BUY-IN DOWN THERE.

BUT IF IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST RESULTS, THEN NOTHING HAS, HAS CHANGED .

SO WE GET MORE VOICE, UM, AND HAVE MORE, UM, WE'RE HEARD MORE DOWN THERE AND THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT YEAH, THE RESULTS ARE THIS ARE THE SAME.

YEAH, I THINK THE RESULTS ARE SOMEWHAT OUT OF OUR HANDS, SOMEWHAT OUT OF THE ADVOCATE'S HANDS, UM, WITH THE WAY THE LEGISLATURE IS JUST FUNCTIONING OR NOT FUNCTIONING AT THE MOMENT.

UM, BUT I I, I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD WANNA KEEP IN THE BUDGET, THE MONEY FOR AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CHANGE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WANNA INTERACT IS A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT IN TERMS OF A BUDGET QUESTION, I'M, I'M ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THIS IN THE BUDGET AND HAVING THIS AS AN EXPENSE.

PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, JUST FOR MY CLARITY, WHERE IS IT IN THE BUDGET? IN CITY MANAGER ADMIN.

CITY MANAGER.

ADMIN.

I JUST, I GUESS MY THING IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HELPS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HURTS AND , AND IT MAY BE THAT, THAT, I GUESS I'M REALLY OF TWO MINDS AS A RESULT BASED THING.

YEAH, I THINK I FEEL QUITE SIMILAR TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES HERE, UH, VICE MAYOR AND KINSELLA, THAT IT'S A, IT'S A LONG, LONG-TERM PLAY DOING, UH, ADVOCACY WORK.

WE CERTAINLY SENT OUR ADVOCATE, UH, ON THE HARDEST TASK KNOWN TO LEGISLATIVE HISTORY, UH, IN TRYING TO GET CHANGE IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TOO HARSH IN GRADING ABOUT PROGRESS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS ALONE.

IT, IT IS A LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE IS A STRATEGY AND WORTHY OF REVIEW AND THINKING WHO THE FIRMS ARE AND THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE GETTING.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M KEEN TO, TO MAKE SURE EVALUATION IS IN OUR PROCESS, BUT I AGREE THAT IT'S WORTH FUNDING FOR THIS TOWN.

I THINK WE HAVE UNIQUE, INTERESTING PROBLEMS. I THINK WE PUNCH, WE CAN, SHOULD PUNCH ABOVE OUR WEIGHT AND LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE COULD HELP US DO THAT.

COME HERE.

JESSICA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO WEIGH IN? YEAH, I JUST DON'T THINK ANYBODY, ANY ADVOCATE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES.

I THINK THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN ABYSMAL.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE WATER, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA AND RESULTS BASED, WE'VE GOT NOTHING AND WE'RE UNLIKELY TO GET ANYTHING FOR A WHILE.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE ADVOCATE IS HELPFUL ON THE EDGES OF THINGS OF JUST PUTTING US FORWARD.

WHETHER THEY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE PARTICULARLY HELPFUL WITH, I MEAN WE MET WITH, WITH THE SET, WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES.

WE ARE THE ONES THAT CONVINCED THEM, UM, AND THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND EVERYBODY WENT DOWN AND MET.

UM,

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I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH THE PAPER IT'S PRINTED ON.

WE DON'T GET ANYTHING FROM THEM.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK IT'S REALLY, I THINK IT'S USEFUL TO HAVE SOMEBODY DOWN THERE KEEPING AN EYE ON IT AND KEEPING US INFORMED OF WHAT'S GOING ON, KEEPING KURT INFORMED.

SO ALL IN ALL, I GUESS I SUPPO I SUPPORT KEEPING IT, BUT IN, IN A WORLD OF, OF RESULT ORIENTED THINGS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOSS LEADER.

SO I TEND TO TALK TO PAUL AND TODD, UH, ONCE A WEEK OR AT LEAST EVERY OTHER WEEK.

YOU KNOW, THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY CAN DO.

BUT WHENEVER I'VE ASKED ANYTHING OF THEM, I THINK THE VICE MAY HAVE ASKED ANYTHING OF THEM.

THEY HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE, QUICKLY RESPONSIVE.

I THINK THERE WAS ONE DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE SESSION, THERE WAS JUST ONE ISSUE THAT MAYBE NOT SO QUICK BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT I KNOW OF.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY CAN DO.

BUT THE FACT IS OF GETTING THAT INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH, CON CON, UH, CONVEYING IT, THAT, UH, I THINK, UH, UH, KURT IS VERY, UH, IN TOUCH WITH THEM AS WELL.

WHENEVER I'VE TALKED TO THEM, THEY WERE VERY WELL INFORMED.

THEY KNEW WHO TO GO TO FOR WHAT.

THEY ARE CONSTANTLY GOING TO OUR STATE LEGISLATORS, WHETHER IT'S KEN BENNETT THE OTHER DAY, THEY CONTACTED KEN BENNETT TO MAKE SURE HE VOTED ON THE, UH, A DU OR DIDN'T VOTE ON THE A DU.

THEY'RE VERY, VERY RESPONSIVE.

HOW MUCH MORE WOULD YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO? I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY COULD DO WHAT THEY CAN DO, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE AN ADVOCATE, WE'LL BE BACK TO WHERE WE WERE WITH NOTHING.

WHETHER THEY'RE THE RIGHT PERSON, I FEEL THEY ARE.

I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHERS AROUND, BUT I KNOW JUST WORKING WITH THEM, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE.

WE'VE MET THEM AT THE LEAGUE CONFERENCE.

I'M SURE WE'LL MEET THEM AGAIN AT THIS, UH, COMING LEAGUE CONFERENCE.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALL, UH, BE TOGETHER AGAIN.

AND, UH, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT CONTINUING WITH THEM AND WITH, IF NOT THAT, THEN ABSOLUTELY HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET.

SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S WHERE I AM.

ANYBODY ELSE WANNA WEIGH IN? I'M THE ONLY ONE LEFT.

AND THEN I WANT, SO I'LL WEIGH IN AND SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN'T DO IS PROVE A NEGATIVE.

SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING GOOD BY HAVING SEDONAS VOICE REPRESENTED.

THAT WOULD'VE BEEN WORSE IF WE HADN'T BEEN REPRESENTED.

AND SO, BECAUSE WE CAN'T PROVE THAT NEGATIVE, THERE COULD ACTUALLY BE SOME VALUE IN HERE.

WE JUST CAN'T SEE.

UM, AND THE TRUTH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME, HOW SOME OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE VOTED EVEN AFTER THEY'VE SPOKEN WITH US, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN NECESSARILY INFLUENCE HOW THEY DECIDE THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE, ESPECIALLY DURING ELECTION YEAR.

SO, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A STRATEGY AND WE CAN'T PROVE WHETHER OR NOT IN THE LONG TERM THE STRATEGY ISN'T GOING TO DO EVEN BETTER THINGS FOR US.

SO I'D BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT CUTTING NOSES TO SPITE FACES.

BRIAN FIRST AND THEN THE VICE MAYOR.

YEAH, I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY THOUGHT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S A BIG DARN DEAL WHEN THE DAY IS DONE.

NOT SO MUCH THE MONEY, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, VICE MAYOR AND, AND COUNCILOR KINSELLA TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, LET'S HAVE A SYSTEMATIC REVIEW OF HOW THIS HAS GONE.

LIKE, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE OWNERSHIP OVER WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THOSE GUYS.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN JUST A GRIPPING AND GRINNING MEETING AT THE LEAGUE CONFERENCE.

I MEAN, THEY NEED TO BE HERE.

WE NEED TO HAVE FACE-TO-FACE HERE, UH, AND REALLY STRATEGIZE FURTHER.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE.

NICE MAYOR.

I JUST WANNA SAY THAT REGARDLESS, BEN TOMA WON'T BE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE NEXT YEAR.

'CAUSE HE IS RUNNING FOR CONGRESS.

UH, AND, AND SO, SO, RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE BETTER OR WORSE, BUT HE WON'T BE IN THAT SEAT.

OH YEAH.

WELL, SURE.

SHERRY, I GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED FOR THAT SO FAR TO MOVE ON.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT TI CULTURE? THERE WAS A DECISION PACKAGE, UM, THAT IS NOT RECOMMENDED, UM, FOR A PART-TIME POSITION IF YOU WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING.

SO NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, THE OTHER PROGRAM WITHIN CITY MANAGER'S, OFFICE ARTS AND CULTURE, UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, DIRECT COSTS BUDGET, 135,000, GOING TO 146,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.

UM, REALLY SMALL INCREASES, UM, DOLLAR WISE THERE.

UM, THE OVERALL CHANGE IS 9%, UM, WHICH IS ALL, UM, ONGOING COSTS.

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? ANY? NOPE.

I'M NOT SEEING ANY HANDS.

MELISSA.

AND THEN THERE IS THE, UM, CIP PROJECT FOR THE ART, UM, AND ROUNDABOUT PROJECTS.

SO IF NANCY CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT WHERE SHE'S WITH THAT, I'D APPRECIATE KNOWING THEM.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.

ARE THEY GOING UP TOMORROW? I WISH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG PROCESS.

UM, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE.

AND SO IT'S BEEN PLANNED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR TO HAVE THE FIRST TWO ROUNDABOUTS INSTALLED BEFORE JUNE 30.

AND THAT'S ON TRACK.

HANUKAH IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON HIRING CONTRACTORS FOR THOSE TWO ROUNDABOUTS FOR CHAPEL.

I'M NOT CHAPEL, I'M SORRY.

CANYON DRIVE AND MORGAN ROAD.

THEY'RE COMPLETELY DONE.

SUSAN CLEAVER'S PIECES ARE IN TUCSON.

SHE JUST HAS TO PUT 'EM IN A TRUCK AND INSTALL THEM.

AND, UH, THE ROAD RUNNER'S DONE AND IT LOOKS AWESOME.

AND, UM, IT'S IN SANTA FE, SO DON'S JUST WAITING FOR THE GREEN LIGHT.

AND SO WE PLAN ON CONSTRUCTION FOR JUNE.

THE OTHER TWO WILL BE, UM, INSTALLED AFTER JUNE 30.

SO MY HOPES ARE THAT IT WILL GO IN SE IN SEQUENCE AS YOU DRIVE SOUTH.

SO, UM, CHAPEL WOULD BE JAMES MUIR'S.

HIS IS ALMOST COMPLETED, AND THE LAST IS NOT THAT CLOSE IS BACK OR BEYOND.

AND SO I'D SAY BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE'D HAVE ALL FOUR INSTALLED CALENDAR.

YEAR.

CALENDAR YEAR.

I'M HOPING BY DECEMBER.

UH, JUST, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON A COUPLE OF SIM PROJECTS WITH, WITH NEW ROUNDABOUTS, BUT THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION WITH NANCY AND WE'RE INCLUDING COSTS IN THOSE PROJECTS.

UM, FOR THOSE ROUNDABOUTS, FOR LIKE, FOR FOR HANUKKAH'S, UH, COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

OR FOR ART? PUBLIC WORKS.

GETTING FOR ART IN THOSE NEW ROUNDABOUTS.

IN THE NEW ROUNDABOUTS IN, YEAH.

FOR FUTURE ROUNDABOUTS.

I'M INVOLVED IN THAT TOO.

SO FUTURE MORE ROUNDABOUTS? YES.

THEY'RE COMING.

MORE, MORE ROUNDABOUTS ARE COMING.

BRIAN.

UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, UH, ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING, UH, NANCY TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAM FOR ARTS AND CULTURE IN THE COMMUNITY AS A SEP NOT TODAY, BUT AS A SEPARATE AGENDIZED ITEM.

JUST LIKE WE COVER OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

'CAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS.

THERE'S CERTAINLY BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST IN WHERE, WHAT THE STATE OF ARTS AND CULTURE IS IN THE TOWN, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A DEDICATED DISCUSSION MIGHT BE FRUITFUL.

IS THERE OTHER INTEREST FROM COUNCIL MELISSA? YEAH, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY TRUE.

IF WE, WE TALK OURSELVES ABOUT OURSELVES AS BEING ANIMATED BY THE ARTS.

WE TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE WANNA PUT INTO ARTS.

WE RAISE THAT AMOUNT IN SMALL GRANTS DURING THE, UM, DURING, GOD, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF THE WORD.

RETREAT.

RETREAT, YEAH.

PRIORITIES IS THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR.

AND, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING ON AND JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT CURRENTLY DOES GO ON INSIDE OF, UM, ARTS AND CULTURE AND WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO, HOW THAT'S GONNA TIE INTO TOURISM, ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GOOD FOR NOT JUST US TO HEAR, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HEAR AS WELL.

VICE MAYOR, YOU WOULD YOUR HAND UP AND ANYBODY ON THIS SIDE? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, COUNSELOR FOLTZ.

REQUEST.

I WOULDN'T COMMENT TO THAT THOUGH.

I'D LIKE IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC, THE DIRECTION OF WHAT THE INFORMATION IS WE'RE LOOKING AT, BECAUSE I, I, I CAN SIT AND TALK TO NANCY FOR HOURS ABOUT THE ARTS AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

SO I'D, I'D LIKE IT TO BE MORE FOCUSED ABOUT WHAT INFORMATION ARE WE LOOKING FOR, AND MAYBE IF WE COULD SUPPLY THE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT INFORMATION YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

I JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS A HUGE TOPIC THAT CAN GO OFF ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS.

SO I JUST, I WANNA HONE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

I, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S LIKE WHEN SUSTAINABILITY COMES IN FRONT OF US AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE AGENDA, THE THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON, IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING OF, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE THE MAJOR EFFORTS THAT WE HAVE UNDERWAY IN ARTS AND CULTURE, AND ANY MAYBE FUTURE REQUESTS AND WHAT THOSE MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO START SOCIALIZING THOSE RATHER THAN SOMEBODY COMING IN SAY AT THE LAST MINUTE AND ASKING FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE.

SHOCKING.

I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT.

I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.

I WOULD LOVE TO PRESENT MORE BECAUSE I DO DO A LOT.

I'M KIND OF IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD OVER THERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I INTERACT WITH COWORKERS AND I WITH KURT SPECIFICALLY WHEN I HAVE LEGAL QUESTIONS.

BUT, AND I'M INTEGRATED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO PRESENT WHAT I DO SO YOU HAVE MORE, UM, TRANSPARENCY ON ALL THE PROGRAMS I'M OVERSEEING.

THERE'S A SO MANY INITIATIVES I COULD OFFER IF I HAVE MORE HELP.

AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH ANNETTE GOING FURTHER IN THE NEXT FISCAL

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YEAR, POSSIBLY.

UM, BUT THERE'S PLENTY COMING OUTTA THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT DICTATES, UM, ARTS AND CULTURE CAN BE EXPANDED.

AND I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT AND GET FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION FROM YOU.

WOULD THE COUNCIL BE COMFORTABLE IF WE SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION, A TWO HOUR WORK SESSION AS OPPOSED TO A THREE HOUR WORK SESSION? BECAUSE I, THERE'S SO MUCH HERE, BUT WE CAN GO ON AND WE COULD PROBABLY DO FIVE HOUR WORK SESSION, BUT WE COMFORTABLE WITH TWO HOUR.

SO WHEN, AND THAT, THAT CAN SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AND MAYOR, JUST, THERE ARE OTHER ARTS PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY, UM, DOES ADMINISTER INCLUDING PERCENT FOR ARTS.

SO THAT'S A PROGRAM RUN OUTTA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS WELL AS THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'LL BE TALKING MORE WHEN WE GET TO GENERAL SERVICES, BUT THAT IS ALSO RUN OUT OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE VERSUS NANCY'S OFFICE.

SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE, I THINK A COMP MORE COMPREHENSIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT ALL OF THE CITY PROGRAMS ARE RELATED TO ARTS BEYOND JUST NANCY'S PROGRAMS. SO YOU THINK MORE THAN TWO HOURS? NO, I JUST WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANNETTE IS AWARE OF THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS MM-HMM.

AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO A CONVERSATION.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THE CITY'S ROLE RELATED TO ARTS IS THAT THERE ARE SO MANY LOCAL ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFITS AND OTHERWISE, WHO ALSO PROVIDE A GREAT DEAL OF PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES RELATIVE TO ARTS.

SO IT'S BEEN A, AN INTERESTING, UM, YOU KNOW, EVER SINCE IT'S BEEN 11 OR SO YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD THE, THE, THE FORMALIZED PROGRAM THROUGH NANCY'S OFFICE, WE'VE HAD SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS GOING LONGER THAN THAT.

BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER EXPANSION THAT WE DO AS A CITY IS NOT STEPPING ON TOES, IS NOT DUPLICATING THINGS OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY ARE DOING, BUT RATHER FIGURING OUT WHERE ARE THOSE GAPS AND HOW CAN WE COMPLIMENT.

ARE AD AN ADVERTISING FIRM.

ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO.

SO WE'RE DONE WITH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, MOVING ON TO THE NEW DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATIONS, TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES.

AND WE LOVE OUR ACRONYMS AROUND HERE.

SO WE'VE BEEN USING C-T-E-I-C-T-C.

HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE THAT? ? I DUNNO.

IT'S LIKE A SATELLITE D SO IN THE SUMMARY CHANGES, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, BUDGET DIRECT COSTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS IN THE FORMER COMMUNICATIONS PROGRAM THAT WAS UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS IN, UM, FORMERLY IT WAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS FOCUSED ON, UM, UM, ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION.

AND THEN WE HAD ADDED ON, UM, SOME TOURISM, UH, BUREAU COSTS IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET.

SO, UH, THE DIRECT COSTS GOING FROM 1.5 MILLION TO FISCAL YEAR 25.

UM, 2.3, UH, THERE'S DECISION PACKAGES OF ABOUT 324,000.

UM, THERE IS, UM, INCLUDED IN THE BASE BUDGET INCREASES FOR ADVERTISING MARKETING, 204,000, 137,000, UM, ADDING A DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND THERE.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES.

SO, UM, THE CHANGE, UM, AS WE'RE BUILDING OUT THIS PROGRAM WITH THE, PARTICULARLY THE TOURISM BUREAU AND ALL THESE VARIOUS ASPECTS RELATED TO IT, UM, THE CHANGE IS 55% WITH THE ONGOING PORTION INCREASE OF 59% IN THE ONE TIME COSTS, UM, THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY.

SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT ABOUT EVERY THREE YEARS OR SO.

UM, SO, UM, WE FIGURE IT WAS TIME TO DO THAT AGAIN IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

THAT'S, UM, PART OF THE COMMUNICATIONS PROGRAM OF THIS NEW DEPARTMENT.

UM, THE CONSULTANT THAT HAS BEEN HIRED, UM, THAT'S DEALING WITH THE BRANDING, UM, AND ALL THE STARTUP OF OUR PROGRAM.

SO THERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND ONE TIME FOR THAT.

AND, UM, AND THEN CONTINUATION WITH THE BROADBAND CONSULTANT, THE BROADBAND PROJECT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED PART OF ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT THAT IS HERE.

UM, SO 10,000 FOR THAT FOR A TOTAL OF 130 VICE MAYOR.

SO DO WE, WHAT IS THE PLAN REGARDING THE CONSULTANTS? ARE WE, ARE THEY ONGOING? ARE THEY, SO THE, UM, STRATEGIC PLANNING CONSULTANT, WHICH IS GIO WILL, THAT WILL BE DONE ONCE THAT PLAN IS DONE, AND THE DDVA, WHICH IS DOING THE BRANDING AND MARKETING.

SO ONCE THE BRANDING EXERCISE IS DONE, THAT PORTION OF THEIR CONTRACT WILL BE DONE.

BUT THEY ALSO

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SO THERE IS MONEY AND WE DO INTEND TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH DVA TO DO THE CREATIVE.

SO SOME OF THE CREATIVE AND SOME HELPING WITH SOME OF THE AD PLACEMENT AND ALSO THE AD TRACKING, WHICH IS YOU SAW THE RESULTS OF THAT.

WINTER CAMPAIGN.

WE IN INTEND TO CONTINUE TO USE DVA FOR THOSE.

AND, UH, HOW ARE WE DEFINING ADVERTISING VERSUS MARKETING? GREAT QUESTION.

UM, SO THE ADVERTISING IS ACTUAL AD PLACEMENT AND MARKETING IS REALLY THE CREATIVE COMPONENT, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT CREATIVE.

UM, SO LAUREN HAS DONE A VERY DETAILED AND AND BRILLIANT JOB OF EVEN SEGREGATING DOWN TO TRANSIT MARKETING.

WHAT IS THE COST TO PLACE ADS IN THE SHUTTLE, OR WHAT IS THE COST TO PLACE THE ADS IN THE HOTELS VERSUS THE, THE CREATIVE ON THOSE? AND SPLITTING THAT OUT BETWEEN TRUE ADVERTISING AD PLACEMENT AND THE CREATIVE.

AND SHE'S DONE THE SAME, EVEN DOWN TO THE A OT, UH, CO-OP PROGRAMS THAT WE DO.

HOW, WHAT PORTIONS OF THAT IS GOING TO EACH OF THOSE THINGS SO THAT SHE CAN KIND OF TRACK BETTER HOW SHE'S, UM, SPENDING.

WE INTEND TO HAVE SOME SAVINGS ON THE CREATIVE SIDE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UM, AT, AT THIS 0.2 IN, IN-HOUSE STAFF, JAMES AND ROB, WHO ARE BOTH WORKING ON THE CREATIVE AND, YOU KNOW, SUPPLEMENTING WHAT WE'RE OUTSOURCING.

SO ARE, ARE MANAGERS GONNA BE STARTING JULY 1ST? YES.

AND THEN ARE YOU, ARE YOU WAITING? I'M .

LOOK OVER HERE.

ANNETTE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FAIR, BUT YOU CAN ANSWER OR KAREN CAN ANSWER.

UH, YOU'RE WAITING FOR THE MANAGER, UH, TO START BEFORE RECRUITING FOR THE OTHER POSITIONS? YES.

OH, MIKE, I, YEAH, SO WE DID HIRE JAMES.

SO JAMES WAS ONE OF THE COORDINATORS, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, WE ADDED ONE MANAGER LEVEL AND TWO COORDINATOR LEVELS TO SUPPLEMENT TOURISM.

WE'VE BEEN PRIMARILY USING IN-HOUSE STAFF, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HIRING JAMES.

UM, THERE'S ONE MORE COORDINATOR TO HIRE THAT'S ALREADY AUTHORIZED, BUT WE REALLY DID FEEL LIKE, UM, THE TOURISM MANAGER POSITION WAS THE, WAS PRIMARY.

SO WE WILL LIKELY BE STARTING TO RECRUIT, AT LEAST GET A, A CASH OF, OF FOLKS, UM, YOU KNOW, NARROWED DOWN, UH, A LIST IN ANTICIPATION OF THE TOURISM MANAGER STARTING IN JULY.

AND THEN WE'RE ASKING FOR ONE ADDITIONAL COORDINATOR POSITION.

AND HEATHER HERMAN, ARE YOU PLANNING TO CONTINUE WITH HER? YEAH, SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT THE REQUEST WAS FOR TWO MORE COORDINATORS.

THAT SHE IS REPORTING ON HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, NIGHTS WERE BLOCKED AND SO FORTH.

AND WHAT I HAVE ADDED OR RECOMMENDED IN THE BUDGET IS TO ADD ONE FULL-TIME AND THEN CONTINUE HEATHER.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL CONTRACT MONEY SO THAT HEATHER CAN BE WITH US AT LEAST ANOTHER FULL YEAR.

SHE'S BEEN EXTREMELY VALUABLE TO GETTING THIS PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING.

SO, UM, ON THE TRAVEL TRADE SIDE, SO YOU SEE THIS ADDED DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT COST, THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, THAT'S TRAVEL, TRADE AND HEATHER'S BEEN THE PRIMARY ON THAT.

AND SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S TAKEN, YOU KNOW, THIS ALMOST THIS ENTIRE YEAR TO EVEN JUST GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE, WE'VE HAD ONE COORDINATOR AND THE TOURISM MANAGER HIRED.

IF WE HIRE TWO MORE, THE ONE AUTHORIZED THIS YEAR, AND THEN ONE INTO NEXT YEAR, CONTINUE TO USE HEATHER AND JUST SORT OF SEE IT'S A STARTUP PROGRAM.

SO WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL NEEDS? SO IT'S POSSIBLE A YEAR FROM NOW YOU SEE A PO ANOTHER POSITION REQUEST, UM, OR MAYBE YOU DON'T AND IS THERE A WAY TO MEASURE HEATHER'S TRADE AND TRAVEL SUCCESS RATE? SHE DOES HAVE SOME METRICS AND IN FACT, IN THIS NEW CONTRACT YEAR, 'CAUSE THE, THE FIRST YEAR, EVEN WITH OUR CONTRACT WITH HEATHER, SHE WAS DOING A LOT OF ADVISING BEFORE SHE EVEN GOT INTO THE TACTICAL STUFF.

SO SHE'S HELPED WITH THE A OT AND, AND LIKE I SAID, TRAVEL, TRADE MEDIA.

SO WHEN JOURNALISTS CONTACT AND THEY NEED COORDINATION, UM, SHE'S BEEN DOING ALL OF THAT WORK.

SHE HAS, UM, SOME METRICS THAT SHE USES PARTICULARLY WITH THE MEDIA TO TRACK THAT.

AND THEN ALSO WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT BETTER RAPPORT WITH THE HOTELS SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT FEEDBACK LOOP THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE.

SO SHE'S ALSO BEEN SUPER HELPFUL IN BEING ABLE TO, AS SHE PLACES, WHETHER THAT BE, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL, TRADE CONFERENCE TYPE ACTIVITIES THAT SHE'S TRYING TO COORDINATE AND BOOK AND THE MEDIA WITH HOTELIERS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES

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SO, UM, WE WILL HAVE THAT AT LEAST, AND IT MAY NOT BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME, BUT IT'LL BE BETTER THAN ANYTHING WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

I KNOW WE GET BANGED FOR THE BUCK BECAUSE SHE REPRESENTS COTTONWOOD AND WILLIAMS AND GOES OVERSEAS TO SOME OF THE CONFERENCES AND WE SPLIT THE COST BASICALLY.

KAREN, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE, THE TOURISM MANAGER, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT, UH, LOCATION, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY LIVING? ARE THEY LOCAL? ARE THEY OUTTA STATE? I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE PERSON COMES, IF THEY'RE OUTTA STATE, THEY COME HERE AND THEY CAN'T FIND HOUSING.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG QUESTION.

UH, ANY IDEA OF THE STATUS? HE IS RELOCATING FROM OUTTA STATE.

HE'S CURRENTLY IN COLORADO.

AND UM, I DO KNOW THAT HE, SO RUSS HAD MENTIONED, I THINK, I DON'T THE LAST TIME THAT HE WAS, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, THAT WE HAD SOMEONE WHO WAS DEAD SET ON LIVING LOCALLY AND WALKING TO AND FROM WORK WALKING OR BIKING TO AND FROM WORK.

AND I THINK THAT WAS THE INDIVIDUAL HE WAS REFERRING TO.

BUT I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT WHETHER HE HAS HAD LEADS ON HOUSING OR WHAT THE SITUATION IS.

HE DOESN'T START FOR TWO AND A HALF MORE MONTHS.

OH, I KNOW, BUT I, EXCUSE ME.

I KNOW, REMEMBER SOME PEOPLE FROM ENGINEERING WERE COMING AND THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING AND WE LOST THEM.

SO I JUST DON'T WANNA LOSE HIS, WE'VE DEFINITELY LOST EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SECURE HOUSING.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT, THAT HE'S ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW, SO, OKAY.

THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION THAT, THAT I HAVE OTHERWISE.

UM, ANY, UH, PETE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING OR YEP.

KATHY, I JUST, I CAN'T READ THE FACE.

I CAN'T SHE HAS ANYTHING.

ONE, I SEE THAT BROADBAND IS IN THERE.

CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A WHAT IT'S, YEAH, YEAH.

SO, UM, THE BROADBAND PROJECT IS, UM, IT'S CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE RFI INTERVIEWED, UH, SEVERAL INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER FIRMS THAT PUT IN FOR THAT, NARROWED IT DOWN TO FIVE AND THEN TO THREE.

AND THEN NOW ONE, UM, FIRM HAS BEEN SELECTED AS THE PREFERRED FIRM.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WHEN THAT FIRM GOES TO MAKE APPLICATION TO THE STATE OF ARIZONA FOR BEAD FUNDING, WHICH IS THAT RURAL BROADBAND GRANT FUNDING, THAT THEY WILL HAVE SORT OF A LEG UP, UM, BECAUSE THE CITY WILL HAVE THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND BE ABLE TO ENDORSE THEM FORMALLY THROUGH THAT PROGRAM.

SO IT IS BEAD CONTINGENT.

SO ALL OF THE ISPS WHO WE TALK TO NEEDED BEAD FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK.

BUT WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE'VE, WE, OUR TEAM, SO CHUCK HAS BEEN, UM, IT'S BEEN TRANSITIONED TO CHUCK AS THE LEAD IN MY ABSENCE OR TRANSITION OUT OF THE ORGANIZATION.

KERR IS PART OF THAT AS WELL AS OUR NEW PROCUREMENT OFFICER.

SO THEY'VE BEEN, UM, WORKING ON KIND OF THAT FINAL, GETTING THEM READY TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR B DEPENDING ON THE TIMING OF WHEN THE STATE FORMALLY OPENS THAT UP.

AND WE'LL HOPE ANY SENSE OF THAT.

UM, I DON'T HAVE THE TIMING.

I CAN TRY TO GET THAT FROM KURT, OR I'M SORRY FROM CHUCK, UM, DURING THE BREAK AND LET YOU KNOW.

BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE.

KAREN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, IF, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TIMING FOR BEAD IS? IT'S, UM, AND SO THE, THE CHALLENGE PROCESS WILL BE DONE IN, IN MAY.

UM, AND THE CITY, UH, DOES HAVE A PREFERRED VENDOR, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH.

WE'RE NOT SAYING OUT LOUD WHO IT IS YET.

UM, AND THEN THERE'D BE A DISCUSSION WITH ALL COUNCIL THAT, AND SO THAT WOULD LIKELY BE AT BEGINNING OF JUNE, MAYBE THE END OF MAY, ONE OF THOSE TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS.

THAT'S THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET A FULL REPORT OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

UH, JUST, I DUNNO IF PETE'S DONE OR NOT DONE.

ARE YOU DONE THIS TOPIC? GO.

ACTUALLY TEST WHAT LEVEL OF UPLOAD DOWNLOAD YOU'RE GETTING AND BASICALLY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE, TO BE ABLE TO SAY AS PART OF YOUR APPLICATION THAT WHAT WE'RE GETTING REALLY ISN'T EVEN WHAT IS CLAIMED TO BE DELIVERED.

SO LAST WEEK I ATTENDED MY FIRST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL MEETING WITH NACO AND KEITH WATKINS, UH, FROM THE AZ COMMERCE AUTHORITY WHO'S RUNNING, UH, THE BEAD PROGRAM WAS SITTING NEXT TO ME.

SO I HAD A NICE LITTLE CHAT WITH HIM.

AND, UH, YES, HE MENTIONED THE CHALLENGE PROCESSES OPEN FOR THOSE NOT KNOWING WHAT THAT MEANS.

IT MEANS RIGHT NOW IS THE TIME TO

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SO THAT WAS KIND OF PART ONE.

, UM, PART TWO, I, I KNOW THAT WOULD NEVER HAVE ONE WITH OPTIMUM HERE.

UM, PART TWO IS THAT, UH, IT ABSOLUTELY IS IN OUR FAVOR THAT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING THROUGH THIS RFP PROCESS THAT THAT WILL STRENGTHEN OUR APPLICATION.

THAT IF YOU ARE GOING, UH, LOOKING FOR BEAD MONEY AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A PREFERRED VENDOR THAT YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY VETTED THAT, THAT THAT HELPS A LOT.

AND SO, UH, BEYOND THAT, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONTACT THIS GUY, BEG, PLEAD ANYTHING THAT WE ALL WANT, UH, AS FAR AS GETTING SEDONA SOME BEAD DOLLARS.

SO LET ME KNOW WHOEVER, IF, IF THAT'S KURT OR WHOMEVER, LET ME KNOW.

SO, AND OUR, OUR INTERNAL TEAM HAS ALSO BEEN IN REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THE STATE, UM, AND THE STATE BROADBAND DIRECTOR REGARDING THIS.

SO THEY UNDERSTAND HOW WELL POSITIONED WE ACTUALLY ARE AS ONE OF THE RURAL COMMUNITIES THAT IS WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR RFI AND OUR VETTING OF THE ISPS AND THE DEMONSTRATED NEED HERE AS WELL.

SO I ACTUALLY DID ENTER ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, OR MAYBE IT WAS MORE THAN ONE, IT WAS, UH, ALTERNATIVE SOME OF THE OTHER VENDORS HERE WHO SAY THAT THEY OFFER BROADBAND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEN DON'T.

SO RIGHT.

, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU ENTERED ONE OF THE CHALLENGES? YOU, YOU THE, THERE WAS A PUBLIC PROCESS FOR BEING ABLE TO CHALLENGE.

OH, OH, OKAY.

PETE, YOU DONE OR NO? HMM.

ARE YOU DONE? NO.

SO NEXT QUESTION, KAREN, IS, UH, PETE, ARE YOU MOVING OFF OF BROADBAND? YES, I'M MOVING OFF.

WHAT, WHAT IS OUR VISION ABOUT THIS? IS THIS GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS IF THE COUNTY'S PROPOSAL TO US A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO HAD BEEN LEGITIMATE? YES.

MORE OR LESS.

SO THIS IS FIBER TO THE HOME, UM, AND WOULD PROVIDE BROADBAND LEVEL SPEEDS, UH, AND ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

SO ON ONTO THAT, SO BROADBAND OF THE HOME, UH, AS FAR AS FIBER OPTIC? YES.

SO NO WIRELESS.

SO THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME HARD TO REACH AREAS THAT, THAT FINAL CONNECTION COULD BE WIRELESS.

IT'S MINIMAL, BUT YEAH, THERE WILL BE SOME, AGAIN FOR, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR TOPOGRAPHY, BASED ON OUR DENSITY OR LACK THEREOF, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ARE HARDER TO REACH AND COULD BE, AGAIN, THAT JUST FINAL SEGMENT THROUGH WIRELESS.

SO COULD YOU JUST TOUCH ON, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE BEAD MONEY, I THINK MOST OF US DO.

UH, BUT EXACTLY WHAT THE BEAD MONEY WILL GET US, HOW FAR AND THEN HOW MUCH THE CITY WOULD, MAY HAVE TO KICK IN TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.

IS THAT ANY, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE BEEN IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ISPS GOING ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY, THAT THEY WOULD BRING MONEY TO THE TABLE, UM, AND THAT IT WOULD BE LARGELY BEAD FUNDED.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE STATE OF ARIZONA GOT NEARLY A BILLION DOLLARS IN BEAD FUNDS.

SO WE'RE HOPING, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE MORE THAT PRIVATE DOLLARS CAN BE LEVERAGED AGAINST THE GRANT FUNDS, THE HIGHER LIKELIHOOD YOU HAVE OF POSITIONING YOURSELF FOR, WELL FOR BEAD.

BUT I DO THINK THE CITY IS POSITIONED VERY WELL TO SECURE BEAD FUNDING.

AND THE ISPS WILL BRING WHAT THEY ALSO NEED TO BRING TO THE TABLE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE FINANCIALS WORK, IN ORDER TO DISTRIBUTE FIBER IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THE FIBER BUSINESS THAT'RE HIRING.

WE'RE GONNA BE THESE COMPANIES THAT'S RIGHT.

WILL BE TAKING EVERYTHING OVER.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE GETTING INVOLVED.

THAT'S, I'M REALLY EXCITED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON JUST JESSICA? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

I JUST WANT TO, I WANNA COMMEND OUR STAFF FOR PUTTING US IN THIS POSITION OF, I MEAN THIS IS INCREDIBLY THORNY AND SORT OF ARCANE STUFF AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF ITERATIONS OF STUFF THAT DIDN'T WORK, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE IN THE POSITION OF ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES NOW AND WE'RE NOT.

SO I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF.

AND ALSO, DIDN'T YOU HAVE SOME CITIZEN PARTICIPATION ALONG THE WAY? I DUNNO IF YOU STILL ARE, BUT IN THE BEGINNING.

YEAH, ACTUALLY JAMES CURRY, WHO I BELIEVE NOW LIVES IN THE VOC MM-HMM.

UH, A VERY, VERY STRONG ADVOCATE FOR BROADBAND SERVICE AND, AND GETTING, SO HE MOVED OUTTA THE CITY.

UM, BUT HE HAS BEEN,

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SO, UM, BUT HE IS STILL SERVING ON OUR COMMITTEE.

SO WE HAVE JAMES, AND THEN WE HAVE DOUG DAWSON, WHO'S OUR, UM, HE'S THE CONSULTANT.

MELISSA, THIS IS JUST A STATEMENT RATHER THAN A QUESTION.

UM, I THINK IN THE CONVERSATION THAT I'VE JUST BEEN HEARING, WE'VE LOST SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT BEING ABLE TO HAVE HIGH SPEED BROADBAND IS ALSO A HUGE ECONOMIC, OH, DIVERSITY ATTRACTOR, UM, FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

AND IF WE WANTED TO DIVERSIFY AWAY FROM TOURISM, THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY THINGS WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY NEED IN ORDER FOR US TO TRY AND ESPECIALLY ANY, ANY KIND OF HIGH TECH, UM, OUTPOST.

'CAUSE WE WOULD BE AN OUTPOST, UM, WITHOUT, WITHOUT THIS HIGH SPEED BROADBAND, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS ALSO A KEY COMPONENT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC DIVERSITY BEYOND TOURISM.

SHOULD WE DECIDE THAT TOURISM ISN'T THE ONLY ECONOMIC FACTOR THAT WE WANT.

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY IT'S IN YOUR ECONOMIC INITIATIVES.

BUDGET AND, AND NOT ELSEWHERE 'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

PEOPLE GO BACK TO YOU.

ALRIGHT, MOVING ON.

KAREN PAGE, UH, ON YOUR SETI IS WHAT? SETI THAT'S THE, UH, SEARCH FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIFE ACRONYM AS WELL.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

PAGE FOUR.

KAREN, I JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE.

IN YOUR 2025 OBJECTIVES EXECUTE STRATEGIC PLAN PRESUMES THAT THERE IS A STRATEGIC PLAN, CAN YOU GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON THAT? YEAH, SO THAT'S THE GIO WORK AND, UM, I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY BEEN INTERVIEWED BY THE GIO TEAM TO, IN ORDER TO INFORM THAT PLAN AS WE HAVE DONE NUMEROUS, UM, PUBLIC OUTREACH, DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PROCESSES, UM, THE VISITOR INPUT, THE RESIDENT INPUT.

RIGHT NOW THERE IS A DRAFT OF THAT.

UM, AND WITH LAUREN HAVING BEEN OUT ON AN EXTENDED LEAVE THAT HAS SORT OF BEEN ON HOLD FOR BOTH LAUREN TO GET KIND OF BACK TO TO WORK.

UM, AND THEN ALSO FOR ANNETTE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF GET UP TO SPEED ON WHERE THAT IS.

THE TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES MANAGER THAT WE HAVE, OR THE TOURISM MANAGER THAT WE'VE HIRED HAS ALSO EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN BEING PART OF FINALIZING THAT.

THAT'S GONNA BE SENSE, THE PLAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING.

AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT MADE A LOT OF SENSE.

SO WHILE WE INITIALLY THOUGHT THAT, UM, THE STRATEGIC PLAN WOULD PROBABLY BE TO COUNCIL BY END OF MAY, BEGINNING OF JUNE, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHAT DELAYED AND FOR, FOR THOSE REASONS.

THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE.

APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN A FEW BULLETS DOWN, ESTABLISH A PLAN FOR A PLAN FOR VISITOR SERVICES.

I WOULD THINK THAT SOME VISITOR SERVICES IS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL.

THE BROADER TOPIC OF VISITOR SERVICES.

BY THAT BULLET, DO YOU REALLY MEAN THE VISITOR CENTER PLAN? YES.

THAT'S REALLY, WE KNOW IN THIS COMING YEAR WE'RE GONNA DO THE DEEPER DIVE INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, VISITOR CENTER VISITOR SERVICES, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES, WHAT MAKES SENSE? KICK IT TO THE TAB, LET OUR TOUR NEW TOURISM MANAGER HAVE A, HAVE SOME INPUT ON WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT ARE OUR CAPABILITIES AS A CITY PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE WHATEVER IT IS, UM, DETERMINED THAT IS THE BEST PATH FORWARD.

I HAD NOTED THAT THE VISITOR CENTER WASN'T PARTICULARLY CALLED OUT, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT WAS ABOUT.

APPRECIATE.

THEN THE LAST COMMENT I WANNA MAKE IS RELATIVE TO KIND OF A PERSONAL OBSERVATION I'VE BEEN MAKING OVER THE PAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, WITH MY GOOGLE KEYWORD OF SEDONA AND LOOKING AT WHATEVER NEWS CROSSES MY, MY, UH, UH, MY EMAIL EVERY DAY, I'VE NOTICED AN UPTICK IN FAVORABLE SEDONA ARTICLES MAYBE IN, IN THE LAST YEAR, ESPECIALLY MAYBE COMPARED TO THE TRANSITION YEAR WHEN THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOME UNFAVORABLE ARTICLES THAT WERE PERHAPS AROUND, I'M ASSUMING THAT MANY OF THOSE ARE FACILITATED THROUGH HEATHER OR MAYBE OUR STAFF JOURNALIST CALLING, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

ARE WE COUNTING THAT? ARE WE SOMEHOW NOTING OUR SUCCESS THERE AND THE COUNTING THE NUMBER OF ARTICLES THAT SHOW UP AND YEAH, WE DO, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SOFTWARE THAT HELPS US DO THAT.

THAT GOOD.

I MEAN, AND, AND, AND IT, AND IT SEEMS TO ME MY, AS I SAID, MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION THAT THERE'S BEEN AN UPTICK.

SO LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING SOME ENERGY AND TIME AND HAVING SOME POSITIVE RESULTS IN DOING THAT.

AND I WOULD THINK THAT SOMEHOW A QUESTION IS, ARE WE,

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SO WE DO HAVE THAT.

UM, AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN NOT JUST TRYING TO CREATE SORT OF THAT POSITIVE ENERGY AROUND THE DESTINATION, BUT WEAVING IN THE STEWARDSHIP MESSAGING EVERY SINGLE TIME WE INTERACT WITH THE MEDIA.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT JUST BEING ABLE TO TRACK, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF POSITIVE PIECES THAT MAYBE WE HAD SOME INVOLVEMENT WITH, BUT ALSO HOW MANY OF THOSE WOVE IN THE MESSAGING THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO, UM, TO PUSH AS WELL.

AND SO I, I KIND OF WONDER, WE TALK ABOUT THE MARKETING BUDGET, BUT THAT TENDS ADVERTISING AND MARKETING, WE TEND TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS A SPECIFIC EFFORT.

BUT ALL THIS WORK IS ALSO MARKETING.

AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT AND HAVE A VALUE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE PROGRAM FOR, FOR THAT ACTIVITY.

AND WHETHER THERE ARE PERFORMANCE MEASURES, IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN AROUND THAT CONNECTIVITY OR SOMETHING.

THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A BIG EFFORT AND I, I DON'T WANT IT TO GET LOST THAT THAT'S PART OF THE SPEND THAT WE'RE DOING AND THAT WE DON'T NEED TO JUST DO ALL JUST NEW MARKETING SPENDING WHEN WE'VE GOT.

GREAT POINT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM.

OKAY, NEXT UP.

ANYBODY HERE FROM THE DAYS VICE MAYOR? I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REMARKABLE JOB.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY WE STOOD UP AN ENTIRELY NEW DEPARTMENT AND THERE WE DIDN'T MISS A BEAT.

AND, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE DID THAT WITH EXISTING STAFF WHO ALSO HAD FULL-TIME JOBS, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN JAMES, WHO'S OUR NEWEST ADDITION, BUT, UM, LAUREN, ROB, KEEGAN, JAMES, THEY HAVE BEEN UNBELIEVABLE.

TRUE.

AND THEY HAVE, I MEAN, THEY'VE TAKEN SUCH PERSONAL OWNERSHIP IN THIS.

UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S BEEN EXCITING TO WATCH AND BE A PART OF.

AND OUR BED TAX AND SALES TAX REVENUES HAVE BEEN INCREASING, SO WE HAVEN'T LOST ANYTHING.

THE THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT ON, UH, PAGE 66 WHERE WE WE'RE COMPARING OUR COSTS AGAINST THE CHAMBER CONTRACT, UM, THAT WAS THE FY 23 CONTRACT, WHICH WAS DECREASED SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THE HEIGHT OF, OF WHAT WE WERE DOING.

AND IN THAT 23 CONTRACT, THERE WAS NO MONEY FOR ADVERTISING OR MARKETING.

SO IF YOU TAKE OUT OUR ADVERTISING AND MARKETING DOLLARS, WE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER.

SO, UM, SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, I, I HAVE A LITTLE RECAP OF WHAT WAS IN THE MEMO, UM, RELATED TO THAT.

SO, UM, THE ONGOING PORTION OF THE COSTS, SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME, SOME ONE-TIME COSTS RELATED TO STARTUP OF A NEW PROGRAM.

UH, THIS INCLUDES COSTS THAT ARE IN THE, IN IT BECAUSE IT'S SOFTWARE RELATED.

UH, BUT EXCLUDING DESTINATION MARKETING COSTS, UM, 1.5 MILLION, UM, IF WE ADD IN THE DESTINATION MARKETING THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED 350,000, THE ONE TIME COST OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND, THAT PUTS US AT 2 MILLION.

UM, THE FISCAL YEAR 23, UM, CONTRACT THAT WE HAD WITH THE CHAMBER, UM, ADJUSTING FOR INFLATION SINCE FISCAL YEAR 23, UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN AT 1.7 MILLION.

UM, SO THAT'S A, A DIFFERENCE OF 276,000 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL COST.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST THAT ONGOING PORTION, UM, EXCLUDING THE DESTINATION MARKETING, THEN IT'S A DECREASE OF 173,000.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.

, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU, SHERRY? UM, WELL, LARGELY I WAS DOING THIS AT, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW ARE WE COMPARING TO IT? MM-HMM.

SO, UM, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU, HOLLY? WE'RE MORE EFFICIENT.

YOU GOOD? I'M PERFECT.

IF YOU ON TO DECISION PACKAGES, SO THERE ARE TWO DECISION PACKAGES FOR, WHAT ARE WE CALLING IT? CD.

SO THERE'S TWO, TWO DECISION PACKAGES FOR THE CD DEPARTMENT.

UM,

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SETI, SETI SETI.

WE'LL, LIKE THE ALIENS YES.

STUDY, I'M NOT GONNA REMEMBER THAT, BUT, OKAY.

SO FOR THE STUDY DEPARTMENT, UM, THERE'S, UH, UM, BOTH ARE INCLUDED, UM, IN THE BUDGET WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGES.

SO THE DESTINATION MARKETING IS INCLUDED IN HERE AS A PLACEHOLDER, UM, FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION RELATED TO THAT, THE, UM, REQUEST AS KAREN HAD MENTIONED, WAS FOR TWO TOURISM COORDINATORS.

UM, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH ONE POSITION AND CONTINUE WITH THE CONSULTANT WITH A, A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE IN WHAT THAT CONTRACT AMOUNT WAS.

SO THE ADDITION TO THE BUDGET AT THIS POINT IN TIME WOULD BE, UM, 324,000 WITHIN THE SET DEPARTMENT AND 3,600 WOULD BE AN IT FOR THE HARDWARE SOFTWARE, 37 50 FOR FURNITURE INCLUDED IN PUBLIC WORKS.

YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE DESTINATION MARKETING DECISION PACKAGE FIRST, BRIAN? SURE.

SO I GOT A LITTLE GRUMPY ABOUT THIS TOPIC WHEN THE TOURISM, UH, TEAM PRESENTED THAT, UM, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE BID IS DOING SPECIFICALLY, THE CHANCES FOR OVERLAP ARE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL, WE'RE ALL SAYING IN PUBLIC THAT THERE'S A KUMBAYA SPIRIT WITH THE CHAMBER AND THE BID IS EFFECTIVELY ADMINISTRATED BY THE CHAMBER.

BUT THEY TOLD US, YOU KNOW, NO THANKS, WE'RE NOT GONNA SHARE WITH YOU THE DETAIL OF HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY AND THAT THAT PROBLEM'S GOTTA GET FIXED SOMEHOW.

DUNNO WHAT THAT IS.

BUT LIKE, I'M OKAY WITH THE NOTION THAT WE'RE GONNA PLACE HOLD IT OR THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROPRIATE, BUT DOGGONE, I MEAN, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW THAT OTHER MONEY IS BEING SPENT.

I MEAN, NOT SO THAT WE CAN TURN AROUND AND GO, OH, WELL IF THEY'RE DOING IT, WE DON'T NEED TO.

RIGHT? BUT IT NEEDS, THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMPLIMENTARY NATURE HERE.

'CAUSE COUNCIL SAID THE BID'S GONNA DO WHAT THE BID'S GONNA DO, BUT THAT SHOULDN'T CHANGE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AS THE DMMO.

AND THE INTEL THAT WE GOT WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SAYING THAT THAT MONEY THEY'RE SPENDING IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BID MEMBER SPECIFICALLY, IT WAS STILL A COME ONE COME ALL MESSAGE RIGHT.

WHEN THE DAY IS DONE.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT BEGS THE QUESTION OF HOW COMPLIMENTARY IS THAT WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

SO, AND I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP PIECE IS STILL A BIT OF A WORK IN PROGRESS AFTER THAT LAST MEETING, UM, I HAD A, A ZOOM MEETING WITH STAN FROM ENCHANTMENT AND CHERYL BARON FROM THE LODGING COUNCIL, AND MICHELLE WAS ON THAT AS WELL.

AND I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS AN EFFORT TO SORT OF CLEAR THE AIR AROUND CREATING A, A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHERE THEY WERE.

AND I THINK FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, AND THEY MEANING THE BID, RIGHT? THE BID FOLKS DON'T, DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CHAMBER IS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE.

LIKE THE CHAMBER DOESN'T REPRESENT THE BID, THE CHAMBER IS A HIRED CONTRACTOR WHO IS GOING TO BE DOING MARKETING ON BEHALF OF THE BID.

SO I THINK THEY'RE STILL TAKING THE POSITION THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRIVATE SECTOR DOING WHAT PRIVATE SECTOR DOES, NOT UNLIKE THE INDIVIDUAL ADS BEING PLACED BY A HILTON COMPANY OR HYATT OR THIS OR THAT.

UM, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT HOW IT COULD POSSIBLY ADVANTAGE THEM TO BE MORE OPEN AND COLLABORATIVE WITH THE CITY, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW OUT OF THEIR $250,000 HOW MUCH OF THAT IS BEING SPENT ON CREATIVE, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUT COULD THERE BE SYNERGY IF WE COMBINED RESOURCES ON CREATIVE AND, AND DID IT IN TANDEM? YEAH.

I THINK THERE DEFINITELY COULD BE AND THAT COULD WORK AT THEIR, TO THEIR ADVANTAGE.

SO WE'VE STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THEY DID, BY THE TIME THAT CALL WAS OVER, I FELT LIKE IT WAS KIND OF GOOD TO CLEAR THE AIR ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE, UH, FRUSTRATION ON OUR PART WAS AS WELL, RIGHT? LIKE, WE WERE DEFINITELY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE WANTED TO WORK AS COOPERATIVELY AND COMPLIMENTARY AS WE COULD, BUT I DO THINK WE ARE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THE CITY'S NEW TOURISM BUREAU DEMONSTRATING THAT IT'S GONNA DO WHAT IT SAYS IT'S GONNA DO.

AND I THINK THE SUMMER CAMPAIGN AND THE COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THAT SUMMER WORK WAS THE FIRST BIG STEP IN THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE

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AND, UH, AND SO I DO THINK THAT, I THINK IT'S GONNA GET BETTER MOVING FORWARD AND, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.

THAT'S ENCOURAGING THAT, UH, POST-MEETING CALL YOU HAD.

ANYTHING FURTHER? YEP.

I'LL THANK COMM MAYOR I AM.

UH, REGARDING THE DESTINATION MARKETING DECISION PACKAGE CITY EIGHT, UH, I JUST WANNA EXPRESS SORT OF MY CAUTION REACTION TO THE WORDING AND THE, IN THE FIRST PART OF THE DI UM, DESCRIPTION REQUESTS ABOUT DURING TIMES OF NEED.

AND I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT WE'RE GONNA STRIVE TO DEFINE THAT BETTER.

WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DEFINES NEED MM-HMM.

AND NOT JUST DECLARE THAT THERE'S A NEED IN AN OFF SEASON, UH, TIME PERIOD.

SO, AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT GOES BACK TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL, .

BUT I GET, YOU KNOW, I I IT CATCHES MY ATTENTION WHEN WE JUST MAKE STATEMENTS, BROAD STATEMENTS WITHOUT DATA EVIDENCE.

RATIONALE, A PLAN ABOUT WHAT'S NEEDED AND WHAT'S NOT.

YEAH, VERY TRUE.

AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TIE THE ADD PLACEMENT TO THOSE PERFORMANCE METRICS AS WE DID WITH THE WINTER CAMPAIGN.

I THINK THAT'S ONLY GONNA GET MORE ROBUST AS WE GET BETTER AT THIS.

BUT YOU'LL SEE THE SAM RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT IS PLACEHOLDER PENDING DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL.

SO IT'S INTENTIONALLY IN THERE TO SAY THAT EACH TIME WE MAKE A DECISION ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH AD PLACEMENT MARKETING, DEPENDING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE MARKET, WHEN WE MARKET WHAT WE MARKET, WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO EVOLVE RIGHT AS WE GET BETTER DATA.

UM, AND SO WE INTEND TO JUST AS WE DID A FEW WEEKS AGO, DO THAT AGAIN FOR IF THERE'S GONNA BE A WINTER CAMPAIGN OR IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANY ONGOING CAMPAIGNS OR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO YOU WILL DEFINITELY AT EACH STEP HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO WEIGH IN, SEE WHAT KIND OF DATA AND ARGUMENT CASE IS BEING MADE, UM, FOR WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED.

APPRECIATE THOSE WORDS.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ADDITION OF A TOURISM COORDINATOR INCREASE? NO, I DON'T.

SO I BELIEVE THAT IS IT FOR THE CITY DEPARTMENT.

SO NEXT STEP IS THE THANK YOU KAREN COURT.

STILL A GOOD TIME.

WE DON'T NEED A BREAK RIGHT NOW? NO, 10 O'CLOCK.

WELL, AT OR BETWEEN THE JUDGE AND THE NEXT WE'LL SEE.

JUDGE SCHLEGEL.

GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR.

THANKS FOR MAKING THE TRIP UP.

SO WE HAVE, UM, ON THE SUMMARY CHANGES FOR THE COURT, THE FISCAL YEAR 24 DIRECT COST BUDGETED AT 734,000 INCREASING FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 TO 762,000.

UM, WITHIN THE DECISION PACKAGES THERE IS RECOMMENDED.

UM, SO, UM, IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, THE TEMP POSITION WAS BUDGET AS A ONE-TIME TEMP, AND THERE WAS A REQUEST TO MAKE IT AN ONGOING TEMP POSITION.

SO THAT 0.78 OF THE FTES IS ADDED, UM, AS AN ONGOING AT 56,000 OTHER WAGE AND BENEFIT ADJUSTMENTS AT 55,000.

THE DECREASE IN THE ONE-TIME COST IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF, UH, MOVING THE ATTEMPT TO, UM, ONGOING.

UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE IN THE COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY COST AT 20,000, UM, THE COMPUTERS THAT THE COURT USES.

SO, UM, THEY REALLY ONLY HAVE A COUPLE COMPUTERS THAT ARE CITY COMPUTERS IN THE COURT.

THE REST ARE, ARE PROVIDED BY A OC AT A COST, UM, A LEASE COST.

AND, UM, SO WE ENDED UP DECIDING THAT WE WOULD MOVE THAT TO THE IT BUDGET.

UM, FOR THOSE LEASES OF 15,000, THE OVERALL CHANGE IS 4%.

UH, THE ONGOING PORTION IS 12%.

UM, IN THE ONE-TIME COST, IT'S REALLY JUST BECAUSE THE COURT IS OVER AT THE SYCAMORE BUILDINGS, THE LEASE PAYMENT THAT WE PAY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IT'S THE ALLOCATION OF THAT PORTION OF COST, UM, TO THE COURT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON BASE BUDGET OPERATIONS?

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JUDGE, WELCOME.

QUESTION, QUESTION FOR YOU THIS MORNING IS ON YOUR PAGE MC TWO, WHICH WOULD BE IN YOUR WORKLOAD INDICATORS.

I THOUGHT I'D USE TODAY, THIS OCCASION TO JUST GET A STATUS FROM PERHAPS YOU AND SHERRY ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF SUBMITTING OF THE FINANCIAL REPORTS TO CITY STAFF ON TIME.

HOW ARE WE DOING? UH, WE'RE ON POINT EVERY MONTH.

UH, THEY'VE BEEN TIMELY SUBMITTED AND OUR FINANCES ARE RECONCILED EVERY MONTH.

SHERRY AGREE? YES.

BEAUTIFUL.

I'M, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.

GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA WORKLOAD INDICATE INTO THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR AS WELL.

JUST HAVE SOME TYPE OF METRIC ABOUT ACHIEVING THAT.

A HUNDRED PERCENT STATUS WOULD BE GREAT.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY WORKLOAD.

YOU'VE GOT SOME, UH, SOME MEASURES OF, OF YOUR WORKLOAD AND ADD A MEASURE YOUR, YEAH.

OH, JUST A REGULAR REPORT TO, TO US.

RIGHT? YEP.

THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO REPORT TO US AND SEE THAT, UH, THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

I KNOW THAT'S ALSO BEEN A REQUEST FROM THE COUNCIL IN THE PAST.

HOW'S THAT GOING? HOW'S, HOW, HOW, HOW MANY OF YOU ATTENDED? AND I'VE ATTENDED EVERY ONE.

I THINK THE LAST ONE I ACTUALLY ATTENDED VIRTUALLY, BUT I GOT CUT OFF 'CAUSE IT, I DON'T KNOW THE TEAM WOULD WORK BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY ACTUALLY IN THE, IN THE MINUTES I, IN THE MINUTES IT INDICATED I WASN'T PRESENT WHEN, BUT I WAS, BUT I'VE BEEN ATTENDING EVERY MEETING.

I WILL BE MISSING THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE THE FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH I HAVE A MANDATORY, UM, COCONINO COUNTY, UM, WORKSHOP WITH ALL LIMITED JURISDICTION COURTS AS A REQUIREMENT.

SO I'LL BE MISSING THAT ONE.

APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT'S GOOD.

, UH, FEEDBACK.

AND AGAIN, THAT MIGHT ALSO BE ANOTHER WORKLOAD INDICATOR IS, IS, UH, SOME GOAL OF PERCENT OF THOSE MEETINGS TO BE ATTENDING.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

I, I DID WANNA LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT, UH, I WANT TO POINT OUT SHELLY BACON IS PRESENT FROM THE COO COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT ADMINISTRATION OFFICE.

IF THAT COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER AS WELL, COULD YOU STEP UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE, SHELLY? THANKS.

ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO? GOOD MORNING.

HI.

THANKS FOR COMING DOWN.

YOU BET.

HOPE THAT THE TRIP WAS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT HAIRY.

I WANTED TO BE HERE ABOUT EIGHT 30 AND, UH, THERE WAS SOME CONSTRUCTION ON I 17 AND THEN OF COURSE CONSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT.

OH, YOU CAME A LONG WAY DOWN.

I DID.

I WAS THINKING IT MIGHT BE QUICKER.

AND I WAS, THANK YOU FOR NICK MISTAKEN.

NOT.

SO I, I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY WHAT THE JUDGE SAID BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR GROUP WAS VERY HELPFUL LAST YEAR.

YOU'RE GETTING ALL THE REPORTS THAT WE'RE ALL GOOD AS WELL.

ABSOLUTELY, YES.

WE ARE VERY PLEASED WITH THE PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE WITH COURT ECS STATIC.

SO, GOOD.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO THE DECISION PACKAGES? OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION.

VICE MAYOR, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO.

THIS HAS TO DO WITH ACTUALLY JUDGE WORK.

HOW, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING THAT MAYBE YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US IN TERMS OF YOUR WORKLOAD AND YOUR WORK AND THE CASES AND YEAH.

ANY CHANGES IN THE TYPES OF CASES YOU'RE SEEING OR THERE'S NOT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE TYPES OF CASES WE'RE SEEING.

WE ALWAYS HAVE REPEAT CUSTOMERS, SO TO SPEAK.

OH, HOW NICE.

WITH THE TRANSIENTS WHO ARE ALWAYS GETTING TRESPASSED FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS AND YOU KNOW, SO WE SEE THEM A LOT.

OUR SOVEREIGN CITIZEN POPULATION IS STILL AROUND.

UH, WE DEAL WITH THEM FREQUENTLY.

SO THAT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE.

THEY CREATE A LOT OF WORK FOR THE STAFF.

UM, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING AN UPTICK IN, I MEAN, WE REGULARLY SEE DUIS, UM, RECKLESS DRIVING, A LOT OF CIVIL TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, CRIMINAL TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.

WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE ORDER OF PROTECTIONS SHOWING UP TO THE COURT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

UM, SO, BUT WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE FILINGS TOO.

SO A LOT MORE WHAT? FILINGS.

FILINGS? YEAH.

IS THAT BECAUSE OF HIM? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE SOVEREIGN CITIZENS.

IS IT MOSTLY DRIVING OR NO LICENSE PLATES OR NO DRIVER'S LICENSE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, FICTITIOUS LICENSE PLATES.

FALSE REPORTING.

MOSTLY CIVIL TRAFFIC OF OF NATURE.

MM-HMM? BRIAN, THAT WAS MY QUESTION WAS WHAT, HOW DOES SOVEREIGN CITIZENS SHOW UP? SO, GOT IT.

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SO SURE.

THEN I'LL GO, JUDGE.

YOU MENTIONED, UH, UPTICK IN, UH, PROTECTION ORDERS.

IS THAT, IS THERE EFFORTS TO MAKE THAT A MORE KNOWN THING TO DO AND COULD BE A POTENTIALLY GOOD THING? OR DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK IT'S A, A NEGATIVE THING? THERE'S MORE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ISSUES GOING ON ON TOP.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RELATED.

UM, INJUNCTION AGAINST HARASSMENTS ARE A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING RECENTLY.

UM, AND IT'S ON THE WEBSITE THAT PUBLICIZED PEOPLE CAN COME TO OUR COURT IF THEY'RE SEEKING A PROTECTIVE ORDER, WHETHER IT'S AN INJUNCTION AGAINST HARASSMENT, AN INJUNCTION AGAINST WORKPLACE HARASSMENT, OR AN ORDER OF PROTECTION.

SO WE'RE JUST, AND I THINK PART OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH OUR RELOCATION TO OUR OWN SEPARATE FACILITY WHERE WE'RE MORE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WE CAN DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE MORE SO THAN WE WERE WHEN WE WERE WHERE WE WERE LOCATED HERE.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE'RE JUST SEEING A LOT MORE OF THOSE ON, ON AVERAGE, I WOULD SAY WE GET FIVE TO SIX WALK-INS A WEEK.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANKS JUDGE.

SO HOW DO YOU FEEL, UH, THESE WORKLOAD IS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, CITATIONS? WE GET A LOT OF SITES, A LOT OF FILINGS, BUT RECENTLY THE, UH, THE STAFF IS WORKING WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS, SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF MOTIONS TO DISMISS THE CASES BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE BECOME, ARE IN COMPLIANCE NOW WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE'RE GETTING THE FILINGS THAT WE STILL HAVE TO WORK.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS SHORT TERM RENTALS, A LOT OF THE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE, ARE IN COMPLIANCE OR GETTING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT ADDS TOO, TOO MUCH OR JUST ENOUGH TO YOUR WORKLOAD OR MAYBE SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT JUST HAVING A HEARING OFFICER FOR, TO SEPARATE IT OUT? UM, IT'S NOT CRIMINAL, SO NO, IT'S NOT CRIMINAL.

AND I, I'M TRYING TO RECALL, MAYBE KURT CAN HELP ME OUT WITH THIS, IF THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY, THEY GO THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FIRST WITH THE HEARING OFFICER BEFORE IT BECOMES A, A COURT MATTER.

DO WE DO THAT? I DON'T THINK ON SHORT TERM RENTALS OR NO.

SO, UH, CURRENTLY NOT.

UH, BUT THAT'S AN OPTION THAT, UH, THERESA AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM IS EXPLORING, UH, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A, A UPTICK IN THE NUMBER OF CASES, UM, THAT THE CITY THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THROUGH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL SPECIALISTS IS CITING.

AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ON LAST WEEK, WHETHER THEY WANTED TO DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS OR NOT.

SO, YEAH, SO I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO.

VICE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC IS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

THEY PERCEIVE OUR LACK OF ENFORCEMENT ON SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO IF THERE WERE SOME STATISTICS THAT WE COULD, UH, MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, CODE WILL BE TALKING ON IT, UH, DURING THE, THIS BUDGET MEETING.

UM, OR, OR THERESA, I GUESS SHE'S OUT, UH, THE NEXT TWO DAYS, SO, BUT I GUESS NOT.

SO, UM, BUT YES, THEY HAVE THE STATISTICS AND THE STATS AND THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF CITATIONS.

UM, MOST OF 'EM ARE JUST GOING TO DEFAULT JUDGMENT.

UM, SO THE CITY'S COLLECTING A FINE AND THEN WE'RE HAVING TO CITE THEM AGAIN, BUT THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE REVOKING PERMITS AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT COMING INTO COMPLIANCE, SO THE FIRST, UH, WE'RE AT TWO YEARS INTO THIS PROGRAM NOW, AND IT'S TAKEN A LITTLE BIT THAT LONG TO GET UP TO SPEED AND GET EVERYTHING GOING WITH PERMITS.

UH, BUT TALKING TO MANY OTHER CITIES WE'RE, WELL, WE'RE WELL AHEAD AND HAVE WAY MORE COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCEMENT THAN MOST OTHER CITIES.

KAREN, YOU WANTED TO WEIGH IN? YEAH, SO, UH, UNDER THE CLERK'S BUDGET IS WHEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE SER.

I'LL HAVE SOME STATISTICS, UH, I'LL BE PRESENTING THAT BUDGET AS WELL.

BUT IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A WORK SESSION, KIND OF A SOUP TO NUTS ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE BEEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, PLUS THAT WE'VE HAD THE PERMITTING IN PLACE.

SO THAT IS, I BELIEVE, SCHEDULED FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY.

UM, BUT IT IS ON THE, IT'S ON THE CALENDAR ALREADY.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU CAN TAKE THE DEEP, DEEP DIVE INTO, UM, BOTH CODE ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS A PART OF THAT, AS WELL AS THERESA AND HER, UM, HER OFFICE AND, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

SO YOU'LL GET, YOU'LL GET IT ALL IN ABOUT A MONTH.

NUMBERS WOULD, WOULD ALTER IF, IF THEY WOULD.

SO A QUESTION I HAVE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

NO, YOU WANNA FINISH UP? GO AHEAD.

YEAH, I DO WANNA FINISH UP.

UH, SO LAST NIGHT SOME OF US WERE AT A FORUM WITH THE COMMUNITY AND A QUESTION WAS POSED ABOUT WHETHER THE COMMUNITY THINKS THAT WE'RE DOING ENOUGH AROUND SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THEY DON'T.

SO, BUT THAT'S A PERCEPTION, RIGHT? THAT

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UH, BUT THE SECOND THING IS THAT THE ENTIRE ROOM, 50 PLUS PEOPLE SAID THEY WOULD SUPPORT INCREASED FUNDING FOR ENFORCEMENT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO THE, SO PERCEIVING THAT WE DON'T DO ENOUGH AND THEN BELIEVING THAT WE SHOULD ADD MORE MONEY TO THE BUDGET, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND VICE MAYOR, THAT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER, OUR HANDS ARE SO TIED BY THE STATE, THERE'S SO LITTLE WE CAN DO, AND WE HAVE TO GIVE OUT PERMITS IF THEY FILL OUT A CARD AND PUT THEIR NAME ON IT AND THE ADDRESS AND CHECK THE BOX THAT THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT, WE'RE DOING AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT THE LIMITATION MIGHT NOT BE IN, AND I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, THERESA AND CODE SPEAK TO THAT.

AND THERE, THERE MIGHT BE ROOM FOR MORE ENFORCEMENT THERE IF, IF THERE WAS MORE, UH, PERSONS.

BUT PRIMARILY IT'S, WE CAN'T, UM, BECAUSE OF STATE LAW.

WELL, THIS IS ENFORCING THE, UH, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING.

AND I THINK YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE FROM THE STATS THAT IT'S, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE GREAT NUMBERS AND WE HAVE BETTER THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER CITY, ESPECIALLY OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE THE NUMBERS, SHORT TERM RENTALS WE HAVE.

IN WHAT WAY? SO THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION NOW IS BECAUSE WE JUST DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY MOVING FORWARD OF A HEARING OFFICER.

IS THAT SOMETHING, THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING THAT FOR A BUDGET, AND YET IT'S, AND I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S JUST COMING UP NOW AND HAS IT BEEN REALLY VETTED OUT, BUT IS IT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT PUTTING A PLACEHOLDER IN THE BUDGET IN CASE WE DO THAT? AND UM, AND WE MIGHT NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT AT LEAST IT'S IN THERE.

SO, SO I THINK IT'D BE PREMATURE TO PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN RIGHT NOW.

UH, 'CAUSE THE PROGRAM HASN'T EVEN BEEN DISCUSSED OR, OR VETTED.

UM, ALSO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SPECIALIST, THERESA, MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUST SERVE AS THE HEARING OFFICER SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH PARKING, UM, IN ENFORCEMENT WHERE, UM, THE POLICE, UH, I FORGET WHAT WE, IT'S SHERRY O'CONNOR, BUT I FORGET WHAT WE CALL HER, BUT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO APPEAL THEIR PARKING TICKET, IT GOES TO HER FIRST.

UH, AND SHE CAN REVIEW IT AND, UH, MAKE A, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS OR DISMISS THE PARKING, UH, FINE IF SHE BELIEVES THAT'S THE CORRECT DECISION.

UH, AND THEN IF THEY DON'T DISAGREE WITH HER DECISION, THEN THE NEXT APPEAL IS TO THE JUDGE.

SO IT COULD BE SET UP, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY REQUIRES, UH, A NEW POSITION.

I JUST DIDN'T WANNA MISS AN OPPORTUNITY AND HAVE TO PUSH HER OFF THE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T JUST EVEN PUT A PLACEHOLDER.

BUT I GET THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE JESSICA.

IT WOULD, I'LL STATE ALSO IF YOU DID DO A HEARING OFFICER IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE A FULL-TIME POSITION.

IT WOULD BE NO, I UNDERSTAND.

IT'D BE AS NEEDED.

UM, AND THERE MIGHT NOT BE A LOT OF NEED.

UM, RIGHT.

IT WOULD JUST DEPEND.

MIGHT BE ONCE A MONTH OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, IT COULD BE AN HOURLY.

AND SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE BUDGETS MIGHT BE ABLE TO ABSORB ALREADY.

WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT TOO.

THANK YOU, UH, JESSICA, I JUST HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

UM, HAVE ANY LICENSES BEEN REVOKED? NO.

ARE WE CLOSE TO REVOKING ANY, OR IS NOTHING IN THAT? PARDON ME? THERE'S A TIME TO DISCUSS THIS DATA WHEN IT'S PRESENTED.

SO ARE WE CLOSE? UNAWARE THAT WE'RE CLOSE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S BECAUSE STATE LAW MAKES IT HARD TO REVOKE A LICENSE.

UM, SECONDLY, IS IT, I, I REMEMBER FROM CONVERSATIONS, UM, ABOUT OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.

THERE'S THE ONE ISSUE OF THE LICENSING, BUT I ALSO SAW IN SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE RECEIVED.

CAN I JUST ASK, ARE WE GOING OFF TOPIC HERE FOR THE JUDGE? THIS IS NOT REALLY PART OF THE JUDGE DISCUSSION.

YES, I BELIEVE SO.

AND I WANT TO TRY TO BRING IT BACK IN AND NOT GO OFF.

SO AFTER YOUR COMMENTS ON IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, .

UH, OKAY.

SO LET'S GET BACK TO, UH, UH, SHERRY, YOU HAVE TO DECISION PACKAGES.

SO THERE ARE THREE DECISION PACKAGES FOR THE COURT.

UM, I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE ONGOING TEMP POSITION THAT ONE IS RECOMMENDED.

UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR AN ADDITIONAL COURT CLERK POSITION, UM, THAT'S NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME.

AND THEN THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR ANOTHER COURT CLERK POSITION TO BE, UM, DEDICATED TO THE POST ADJUDICATED CASES.

AND THAT ONE WAS ALSO NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME.

THE FACT THAT THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION IS ALL CAUGHT UP, HAS THAT, SINCE THERE'S NOT A BACK LOAD NOW TO BE WORKING ON RECONCILING, HAS THAT FREED UP STAFF AND CREATED MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WERE LOOKING TO FILL WITH ADDITIONAL STAFF? NO, NOT AT ALL.

CAN I GET, UH, ASKED FOR, UH, REASONS WHY THEY WERE NOT RECOMMENDED? I, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING I SUPPORT THEM EITHER, BUT WERE THERE WORKLOAD INDICATORS THAT WERE NOT MET OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES? THAT'S CORRECT, MAYOR.

AND THE REASON THAT THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED WAS BECAUSE WE HAD, DURING THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET MEETINGS ASKED JUDGE SCHLAGEL FOR SOME ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD INFORMATION THAT COULD SUBSTANTIATE.

SO IF YOU SEE THE DECISION PACKAGES IN THERE, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE DECISION PACKAGE REQUESTS.

AND I FELT LIKE THAT WAS NECESSARY INFORMATION IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO ADD NEW STAFF.

'CAUSE THAT IS NOT A SMALL DECISION.

AND, UM, AND WE DID NOT GET THAT UPDATED INFORMATION OR ANY OF THE WORKLOAD INFORMATION.

AND SO I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL STAFF AT THIS TIME.

I APPRECIATE THAT, KATHY.

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AND I, I DO WANNA RESPOND TO KAREN'S COMMENT.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED WHY SHE'S SAYING THE INFORMATION SHE REQUESTED WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE DECISION PACKAGES BECAUSE I DID INCLUDE IT, I INCLUDED THE INFORMATION IN THERE THAT RIGHT NOW OUR POST ADJUDICATED POST ADJUDICATED CASES ARE OVER 500 CASES AND KEEP GROWING AS CRIMINAL CASES GET RESOLVED.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S OVER $1.13 MILLION OUT THERE IN FINES AND FEES THAT OUR COURT STAFF.

I DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO WORK THOSE FILES FOR ENFORCEMENT OR COLLECTION PURPOSES.

AND I ALSO INCLUDED INFORMATION IN MY DECISION PACKAGES.

I COMPARED OUR COURT TO OTHER LOCAL COURTS.

I INCLUDED THAT INFORMATION IN THE DECISION PACKAGES.

OUR FILINGS ON AVERAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, CAMP VERDE HAS THREE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND THEY SERVE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF FILINGS.

THEIR STAFF WORKS APPROXIMATELY 300 TO 325 CASES PER EMPLOYEE A YEAR.

COTTONWOOD HAS THREE AND A HALF FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

OUR STAFF, WE HAVE THREE FULL-TIME STAFF, AND THEY ARE NOT EXPERIENCED OUT OF THAT THREE FULL-TIME STAFF.

MY MOST EXPERIENCED CLERK IS GOING ON TWO YEARS.

BUT OUR STAFF, BASED ON OUR NUMBER OF FILINGS, OUR HANDLING, EACH STAFF MEMBER IS HANDLING OVER 800 FILINGS A YEAR, WHICH IS UNREASONABLE.

SO THAT INFORMATION WAS INCLUDED IN OUR, MY DECISION PACKAGES.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE KAREN'S COMMENTS COMING FROM.

THE SHORT OF IT IS WE'RE DROWNING, MY STAFF IS DROWNING.

WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF NECESSARY FOR OUR COURT TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

AND THE REAL LIFE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS ARE IF YOU'RE A CRIMINAL AND YOU COMMIT A CRIME IN SEDONA.

SO WHAT? YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA BE SENTENCED BY THE COURT, BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN ENFORCEMENT ACTION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO IT.

SO IF THEY'RE GONNA COMMIT A CRIME IN SEDONA, AND THIS WORD IS GONNA SPREAD, IF IT HAS NOT SPREAD ALREADY, WELL NOW IT WILL .

WELL, THEY'RE THE TRANSIENTS.

THEY KNOW THIS, THE SOVEREIGN CITIZENS KNOW THIS.

IF YOU COMMIT A CRIME, YEAH, YOU MAY BE FOUND GUILTY AND YOU'RE GONNA BE SENTENCED.

BUT SO WHAT IF YOU DON'T PAY THE FINE? WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? NOTHING.

BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO FOLLOW UP POST ADJUDICATED CASES.

ONCE YOU SENTENCE THE CRIMINAL OR A DEFENDANT, THEY'RE SU WITHIN SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT SENTENCING, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MONITORING THAT FILE TO SEE IF THE DEFENDANT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SENTENCE REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER IT'S PAYING A FINE, WHETHER IT'S, IF IT'S A DEMI DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASE, THERE IS MANDATORY COUNSELING THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLETE.

IF IT'S A DUI CASE, THERE'S JAIL TIME, THERE'S FINES, THERE'S COUNSELING, THERE'S ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO FOLLOW UP ON THESE CASES.

AND THAT'S THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION.

KAREN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? I THINK IF CA COUNSEL ULTIMATELY GETS TO MAKE THE DECISION OF WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THAT ADDITIONAL STAFF IS NECESSARY, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH IN THE WORKLOAD INDICATORS TO CONVINCE ME THAT ADDITIONAL STAFF WAS NEEDED.

THEY ARE CAUGHT UP ON THE FINANCIALS, WHICH WAS WHAT, UH, I THINK A VERY HIGH CONCERN.

TO START WITH A TIMEFRAME THAT'S REASONABLE TO GO BACK ON.

UM, AND AS THE JUDGE MENTIONED, THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT TURNOVER.

SO THERE'S ALSO, THERE IS A RAMPING UP PERIOD.

UM, SO MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL TEMP HELP, BUT ONCE CLERKS ARE TRAINED, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT THEN IF YOU'VE GOT THREE BRAND NEW CLERKS WHO HAVEN'T HAD THE EXPERIENCE IN, IN TRAINING AND GOTTEN UP TO SPEED WHERE THEY CAN BE FULLY EFFICIENT, UM, IN THEIR WORK.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE POST ADJUDICATED CASES, THERE WAS NOT, UM, A BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER CURRENT VERSUS THOSE THAT COULD BE A DECADE OLD.

AT SOME POINT, I THINK WE NEED

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HOW FAR ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA GO BACK AND WHAT, WHAT IS THE BREAKOUT OF THOSE POST ADJUDICATION CASES OVER THIS TIMEFRAME OF, YOU KNOW, THE LAST DECADE.

JUST LET THE JUDGE RESPOND TO THAT.

YES SIR.

IF YOU DON'T MIND.

SO JUDGE, CAN YOU ADDRESS OF THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE, EVEN THE PART-TIME, ARE THEY, UH, ALL TRAINED? ARE THEY FULLY TRAINED OR ARE THEY STILL RAMPING UP? NO, THEY'RE STILL RAMPING UP.

LIKE I SAID, MY MOST EXPERIENCED OUT OF THE THREE FULL-TIME CLERKS I HAVE THE MOST EXPERIENCE IS GOING ON TWO YEARS.

THE NEXT ONE IS NINE MONTHS, AND SHE IS LEAVING AT THE END OF MAY FOR PERSONAL REASONS.

AND THE OTHER THIRD CLERK I HAVE IS A MONTH OLD.

AND IT TAKES A YEAR TO A YEAR AND HALF AND A HALF.

A YEAR TO A YEAR AND A HALF TO GET SOMEBODY TRAINED ADEQUATELY TO FEEL PROFICIENT IN THE CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I HAD STAFF THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME AND IS PROFICIENT IN HOW THE COURT SYSTEM WORKS AND THE CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WORKS.

I, THE REALITY IS THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION.

I DON'T HAVE THAT.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF EVEN GIVING YOU TWO NEW PEOPLE WOULD HELP, WOULD HELP AT ALL, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE RAMPED UP.

THEY DO.

AND WHAT'S YOUR TURNOVER AS FAR AS STAFF? UH, I'VE HAD TO TERMINATE SOMEONE IN THE PAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST CAUSING MORE PROBLEMS THAN AGAIN, BEING PRODUCTIVE.

UM, AND I'VE HAD SOME THAT HAVE LEFT FOR OTHER PERSONAL REASONS.

UM, OTHERS HAVE IN THE PAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, OTHERS HAVE MOVED TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS HERE IN THE CITY, .

UM, SO YEAH, I, I SEEM TO HAVE CONSTANT TURNOVER.

UM, BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE, PREFERABLY TWO MORE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES SO WE COULD TRAIN THEM AT THE SAME TIME SO THEY COULD LEARN THE SYSTEM AND BE PRODUCTIVE.

YOU, YOU'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN? YEAH.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

I DO JUST WANT TO SAY, UM, COURTS DO HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH THE HIGH TURNOVER RATE.

ONE PAYS NOT GREAT, AND TWO, WHEN THEY DO START AND ARE FACED WITH A CASELOAD OF OVER 800 CASES A YEAR, UM, THAT'S PRETTY STRESSFUL.

AND SO THEY THINK, WHY AM I MA, I MEAN, I COULD GO TO MCDONALD'S AND MAKE WHAT I'M MAKING HERE.

SO I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA SHARE THAT, THAT I, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S HIGH TURNOVER, I THINK IF YOU HAD ADDITIONAL STAFF, AND THIS IS A VERY BUSY COURT, IT'S ONE OF THE BUSIEST IN THE COUNTY.

IS IT REALLY COCONINO COUNTY? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT YAVAPAI, BUT RIGHT.

UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN STAFF WHEN THEY'RE UNDER PLACED UNDER THAT KIND OF PRESSURE TO START.

AND SO YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S FULLY TRAINED, TRAINED BECAUSE THEY CONTINUE TO, UM, LOOK FOR OTHER, OTHER PLACES OF EMPLOYMENT.

SALARIES, COMPARISONS FOR SIMILAR SIZE CITIES? PAGE BEING ONE OF THEM THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO? UH, WELL, I COULD JUST GO TO, INSTEAD OF MAKING A PHONE CALL, 'CAUSE LET'S LOOK AT THE SALARY, IF WE CAN KEEP PEOPLE LONGER BY WHATEVER WE WOULD DO WITH THE SALARY, WHATEVER THE CITY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMES UNDER TO THE CITY MANAGER, THE SALARIES FOR THE COURT AND HOW DOES THAT WORK? CAN I ALSO SHARE? THERE IS A PERSONNEL, UM, THE COURTS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT PERSONNEL SURVEYS ANNUALLY.

UM, SO AS FAR AS STAFFING IN OTHER COURTS OF SIMILAR TYPE, WHAT IS THE NUMBERS THAT YOU KNOW THROUGHOUT, UH, COCONINO COUNTY? SURE.

UM, SO WITH THE CASELOAD, WITH THE CASELOADS, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN THIS 800 CASES PER YEAR IS PHENOMENAL.

AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN STATS, THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE COURTS, THE SUPREME COURT WEBSITE, THEY HAVE A DASHBOARD THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT ANY COURT IN THE STATE AND SEE WHAT THE FILINGS ARE, WHAT THE RAT, WHAT THE RATIO IS FOR CLERK PER FILINGS.

UM, IT'S REALLY, UM, A KIND OF A NEAT, UH, DASHBOARD THAT, THAT FOLKS CAN LOOK AT.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, AND WE ARE UNIQUE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME, SOME COURTS THAT ARE, THEY'RE NOT, UM, COMBINED COURTS, BUT THEY'RE CO-LOCATED COURTS.

AND SO THEY HAVE, THE COURT STAFF IS WORKING BOTH MUNICIPAL COURT CASES AND JUSTICE COURT CASES.

SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO KIND OF DO A COMPARISON.

UM, BUT I WOULD SAY, SAY FOR IN, FOR INSTANCE, PAGE MUNICIPAL COURT, UM, UP IN PAGE THEY HAVE, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE FIVE STAFF MEMBERS.

UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE A WILD GUESS THAT THEY PROBABLY WORK AROUND 300 CASES A YEAR.

UM, AND THEY'RE VERY BUSY COURT TOO.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF TOURISM UP IN PAGE, THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST PASSING THROUGH JUST LIKE SEDONA.

UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A, A, A GOOD COMPARISON FOR, UH, THE SEDONA MUNICIPAL COURT.

BUT I, I MEAN, I, I JUST SEE HOW THERE CAN BE SUCH A HIGH TURNOVER WHEN, WHEN IT'S DIFFICULT TO TRAIN WHEN YOU'RE SO BUSY ALL THE TIME.

AND TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RATE OF PAY IS HERE FOR CLERKS, BUT THEY ARE ONE OF THE LOWEST PAID IN, YOU KNOW, IN OUR COUNTY.

THAT'S WHAT MY NEXT QUESTION WAS.

IS THERE ANY PLACE AS A, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE

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AND SO THAT IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE DASHBOARD.

SO I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THAT WE'LL BE DOING A SALARY SURVEY IN FY 25, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD INCLUDE THE COURT STAFF.

AND I ACTUALLY TALKED TO RUSS ABOUT THIS WHEN WE MET AS FAR AS JOB RECLASSIFICATION.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TIERS FOR CLERKS AND THAT WOULD AFFECT THEIR PAY INCREASE.

AND DO YOU THINK IF THAT IF WE LOOKED AT SALARIES, IT MADE CHANGES, WOULD THAT HELP KEEP THE PEOPLE LONGER SO THAT MAYBE THEY COULD, THEY WON'T GO TO MCDONALD'S AND WORK? I, I WOULD HOPE SO, BUT, BUT IT'S A VERY STRESSFUL JOB.

NO, I CAN, I CAN IMAGINE WHEN I, YOU KNOW, PASS BY.

I SEE.

THEY'RE REALLY WORKING HARD.

BUT THAT'S, UM, I'M THERE FOR A QUICK SNIPPET OF TIME, SO, UM, OKAY.

I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO MENTION TOO THAT THE COUNTY, COCONINO COUNTY JUST RECENTLY, UM, RECLASSIFIED MANY OF OUR ENTRY LEVEL, UH, CLERKS, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE MINIMUM WAGE.

AS YOU KNOW, FLAGSTAFF MINIMUM WAGE IS PRETTY HIGH.

UH, SO THEY DID JUST RECENTLY GO THROUGH THAT AND THEY, UM, BASICALLY REMOVED THE BOTTOM TIER, UM, OF, OF CLERICALS, UH, STAFF AND BUMPED THEM UP, UH, A GREATER OR TWO DEPENDING ON, ON THEIR, UM, THEY'RE NOW CALLED, THEY WERE ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, ASSISTANTS OR ADMINISTRATIVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PRIOR TERM WAS, BUT NOW THEY'RE PUBLIC SERVICE SPECIALISTS.

UH, SO THEY DID JUST EMBARK ON THAT.

SO THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO YOU AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT CLASSIFICATION STUDIES.

COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, COUNCILOR FUL, AND THEN COUNCILOR KINSELLA.

PETE, YOU IN THERE TOO? YEAH, I WAS IN THERE FIRST.

NO, YOU, JESSICA WAS FIRST.

THAT I KNOW.

MAY, UM, IS THE TURNOVER IN OUR COURT TYPICAL OF, OF MUNICIPAL COURTS IN VERDE VALLEY? I CAN HEAR YOU IN THE VERDE VALLEY.

I'M NOT SURE 'CAUSE I'M FROM FLAGSTAFF, BUT, UM, IT IS NOT FAIR.

I'M GONNA I'M GONNA TELL YOU IN COCONINO COUNTY , UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT TYPICAL.

UM, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE SOME TURNOVER, BUT IT IS SO THIS IS ATYPICAL.

THIS IS ATYPICAL, YES.

UM, THE, THE, FOR KAREN MENTIONED THE FORMER , KAREN MENTIONED THAT, OR IMPLIED THAT SOME OF THE POST ADJUDICATION CASES GO BACK IN TIME.

HOW FAR BACK DO THEY GO? IS THERE A 10 YEAR BACKLOG OR, I MEAN, ARE SOME OF THEM THAT OLD? OH, YEAH, THERE ARE, THERE, THERE'S A LOT THAT ARE OVER 10 YEARS OLD, I HAVE TO SAY.

BUT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT YEAH.

IS THAT THE COURT CAN'T JUST CLOSE THOSE FILES BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE FILE TO SEE IF THERE'S A VICTIM INVOLVED AND YOU CAN'T, BY LAW, WE CAN'T CLOSE A CASE THAT HAS A VICTIM INVOLVED OR IF THERE'S RESTITUTION INVOLVED.

WE CAN'T CLOSE A CASE.

SO LET ME ASK, I'M A LITTLE, YOUR STAFF DOES PROCESS SOME OF THEM.

DO YOU PROCESS THE ONES THAT ARE THE NEWEST, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING, WHAT I'M ASSUMING FROM WHAT I HEARD IS THAT YOU STAFF IS PROCESSING THE CURRENT ONES.

BUT IN THE CASE, AS WE DISCOVERED WITH OUR LAST THING, WAS THAT THERE'S A HUGE BACKLOG THAT NO ONE HAS GOTTEN TO FOR YEARS.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING SOMEONE TO DO.

SO THAT IS NOT A PERMANENT POSITION THEN? IT'S, I I WOULD SAY YES AND NO, BECAUSE WHEN I WAS AT CAMP VERDE, WE HAD A CLERK SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO POST ADJUDICATED CASES.

IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE ONE PERSON HANDLING IT.

AND THAT CLERK WOULD CONTACT THE SERVICE PROVIDERS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO SEE, OKAY, HAS THIS INDIVIDUAL IN ENROLLED IN COUNSELING AS ORDERED BY THE COURT? IF SO, WHERE ARE THEY AT IN THE PROCESS? AND SO IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS FOR THAT COURT.

SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, OR WHAT I'M HEARING, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT LIKE SO MANY THINGS IN LIFE, THIS IS A, A POSITION THAT COULD BE DONE EITHER VERY SUPERFICIALLY OR IT CAN BE DONE THOROUGHLY, UH, OF THE FOLLOW UP.

THAT MIGHT BE IDEAL.

I'M KIND OF REMINDED OF OUR TALK ABOUT A VICTIM SERVICES ADVOCATE, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, AND SO IN TERMS OF, OF IT BEING AN ONGOING ISSUE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, WHEN IT'S CAUGHT UP,

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AND THEN HOW MANY CASES AT ANY GIVEN TIME, IF YOU IGNORE THE BACKLOG OF POST ADJU CASES, CASES, DO YOU HAVE, UH, I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT COUNSELOR.

IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER OF FILINGS EVERY YEAR AND THE STATUS OF THE CASE.

SO WHETHER IT'S A DEFERRED PROSECUTION CASE, UM, WHICH IS GOING TO, IF THE DEFENDANT DOES WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, IT'S GONNA CLOSE QUICKLY.

OR IF IT'S A CASE WHERE THERE'S A CHANGE OF PLEA AND THEY'RE PLEADING GUILTY, AND IT, I I I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT PEOPLE HANDLE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OF THE BACKLOG, THERE'S 800 CASES.

IF THERE WEREN'T A BACKLOG, HOW MANY CASES? NO, NO.

OH, THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE BACKLOG.

THAT'S THE CURRENT FILING.

800 A YEAR.

THAT'S PER YEAR.

OKAY, I GOT IT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S RIGHT.

PETE, I'M SORRY I SKIPPED YOU BEFORE AND THEN WE'LL GO OVER TO, TO BRIAN.

YEAH, JUDGE, I THINK THIS GOES, YOU CAUGHT MY ATTENTION AS WELL WITH THE NUMBER OF BACKLOG CASES IN THE DOLLARS, BUT IT SPEAKS TO HAVING SOME MORE INFORMATION WHEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUDGET PROCESS WHEN WE LOOK AT MAKING DECISIONS LIKE THIS.

SO THERE'S, I THINK, SOME OTHER WORKLOAD INDICATORS HERE THAT, UH, THAT YOU COULD BE GIVING US.

SO WE CAN LOOK AT THIS OVER TIME AND THINK ABOUT HOW TO MANAGE IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'VE CAUGHT MY ATTENTION FOR SURE ABOUT NEEDING THE, THE NEED, UH, THE NEED TO ENFORCE THIS KIND OF CASES SO WE DON'T GET A REPUTATION, UH, OUT THERE AS, AS, UH, A, A TOWN THAT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

JUDGE, THE, UH, KIND OF CONTINUING WITH WHAT, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BACKLOG OF POST ADJUDICATED CASES, UH, THE 1.3 MILLION, UH, DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

IF YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF LIKE HOW MUCH OF THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS JUST FROM LIKE THE LAST 12 MONTHS? ANY AGING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ON CHERRY, I'M PUTTING ON MY, UH, MY AP HAT HERE RIGHT? OR MY AR HAT, RIGHT.

WHAT'S THE AGING, ANY IDEA? THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS, IS BEYOND THE, THE PAST 12 MONTHS.

SO, AND HOW MUCH OF THAT, AND ROUGH GUESS HOW MUCH OF THAT IS FINE AND CITATION THAT COMES INTO THE CITY VERSUS TO VICTIMS? ANY IDEA ROUGHLY LIKE HOW THAT PARSES OUT? I I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THAT WOULD BE VICTIMLESS CRIMES, UM, WHERE THERE'S NO RESTITUTION INVOLVED.

UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST STRICTLY FINES THAT DEFENDANTS HAVE BEEN ASSESSED, THEY'RE NOT PAYING.

AND A PORTION OF THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

IF WE CAN COLLECT IT, AND THEN THERE'S OTHER AGENCIES THAT WOULD GET A PART OF THAT AS WELL.

UM, BUT YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

THERE AREN'T ANY UNFORTUNATELY.

YEAH, I THINK ENOUGH, I MEAN, I, I, I, THERE'S, THERE'S ENOUGH SMOKE HERE THAT I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN JUST SAID, LIKE, I, I SENSE THERE'S SOMETHING, THERE'S SOMETHING HERE THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS HARDER THAN NECESSARY.

LIKE, I MEAN, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH ADDING A POSITION AND AT LEAST SEEING WHAT KIND OF PROGRESS WE MAKE.

YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE WORKLOAD INDICATORS AND CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION PERIODICALLY OF HOW'S IT GOING.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WOULD NOTE THAT THE CITIZENS, UM, REVIEW, BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE DID RECOMMEND THE APPOINTMENT FOR, UH, FOR THE ONE FOR THE POST ADJUDICATED POSITION.

SO BRIAN, YOU GOOD? YEAH, I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU, KATHY.

SO I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS SOMETHING HERE THAT DOES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT I'M NOT SURE A, A WAY TO ADDRESS IT IS BY CREATING A FULL-TIME PERMANENT POSITION THAT THEN LIVES ON, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BACKLOG, UH, MY QUESTION IS WHY IS YOUR REQUEST FOR A PERMANENT POSITION VERSUS ANOTHER TEMPORARY COURT CLERK, WHICH MIGHT HELP AND THEN NOT CREATE A, AN ONGOING POSITION AND SAME KIND OF FRINGE THAT MULTIPLIES, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR, UM, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, CLEAR THINGS ALSO, AND I'M NOT USUALLY A FAN OF THAT.

I ACTUALLY PREFER TO HAVE PROPERLY STAFFED, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT WORKS HERE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TURNOVER THAT YOU HAVE HAD THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE IN A POSITION TO ASSESS WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER OF PERSONNEL IS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN TURNOVER, THERE IS A LACK OF LONGEVITY, THERE HAS BEEN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WITH BACKLOGS TO

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CLEAR.

SO I DON'T FEEL THAT THERE IS SOME INFORMATION, AS WAS POINTED OUT BY COUNCILOR FURMAN ABOUT THAT WOULD'VE HELPED YOUR CASE IN THE WORKLOAD.

UM, STATISTICS, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE GIVING TEMPORARY HELP, I THINK, TO TRY TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE.

AND ALSO THE ONGOING TEMPORARY COURT CLERK THAT, THAT YOU DO HAVE THAT IS RECOMMENDED THAT I AM VERY MUCH INCLINED TO SUPPORT.

THAT'S A 0.78, UH, FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE.

WHAT IF THAT WAS A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE? AND THEN OTHER ONGOING WORK, UH, ONGOING, ANOTHER TEMPORARY POSITION.

THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS.

I DON'T WANNA LIKE RECREATE THE WHEEL, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO STAFF TO A LEVEL THAT IS NOT REALLY WHAT'S CALLED FOR AND CAN'T BE SUSTAINED BUDGETARILY.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH.

SO DOES ANY OF WHAT I'VE SAID MAKE SENSE TO YOU? SURE.

UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE TEMPORARY CLERK, SHE IS NOT HERE FULL ALL YEAR LONG.

SHE TAKES A FEW MONTHS OFF IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT GOES BACK TO MAINE, SO SHE COULD NOT BE A FULL-TIME CLERK.

UM, AND SHE'S A VERY, VERY EXPERIENCED PERSON.

SHE IS THAT THEY KNOW FROM OTHER PLACES WHO IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OPTIONS THERE ARE OUT THERE FOR TEMP CLERK WITH THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE.

JUST LET ME HEAR WHAT, SORRY.

I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, AS MUCH AS A TEMP POSITION MAY HELP THE COURT, UH, JUST BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FILL TEMPORARY POSITIONS, UH, WITH EXPERIENCE STAFF OR TO GET THAT STAFF PERSON TRAINED UP.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS IS NOT AN ONGOING COST, IT'S A ONE TIME, UH, ALLOCATION, THEN UH, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT.

WE MAY BE, WE, YOU MAY BE WASTING FUNDS ON TRAINING SOMEBODY UP TO GET THEM TRAINED TO BE A COURT CLERK ONLY TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND THAT POSITION NOW.

AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THOSE, UH, POST AJU CASES REALLY AREN'T A BACKLOG.

YES, THEY'RE NOT BEING ADDRESSED, BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN ONGOING THING.

YOU'RE CONSTANTLY, UH, ADJUDICATING CASES AND SO YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE POST ADJUDICATED CASES.

IT'S NOT, YES, IT WOULD BE NICE TO, TO DIG INTO THOSE, THE BACKLOG, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT THOSE BACK, THE POST ADJU CASES ARE NEVER GONNA GO AWAY.

AND SO YOUR CURRENT STAFF THAT, THAT HE HAS HIRED ARE DEALING WITH THE CURRENT CASES THAT ARE BEING PROCESSED AND BEING, UM, ADJUDICATED.

AND THEN IF YOU HAD ONE DEDICATED STAFF.

AND I WILL MAKE MENTION THAT THE FLAGSTAFF JUSTICE COURT, NOW THEY ARE LIKE IN THE TOP 10 BUSIEST COURTS IN THE STATE, BUT WE HAVE TWO, WHAT ARE CALLED COURT COURT ENFORCEMENT.

UH, IT'S CALLED A COURT ENFORCE OR COLLECTION ENFORCEMENT UNIT, I'M SORRY, COLLECTION ENFORCEMENT UNIT.

WE HAVE TWO FULL-TIME STAFF THAT ONLY WORK ON COLLECTIONS ENFORCEMENT FOR THOSE JUSTICE COURT CASES.

UM, SO, AND THEY MORE THAN PAY FOR THEIR SALARY AND JUST THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY COLLECT, UM, FOR THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR YOU ALL, JUST FOR INFORMATION.

MELISSA? GOOD MORNING, JUDGE.

UM, I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF THOUGHTS IN MY HEAD, SO I'M GONNA TRY AND SEPARATE THEM OUT AND NOT CONFLATE THEM, BUT I MIGHT CONFLATE THEM ANYWAY.

UM, THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE, THE METRIC OF, UM, UH, POST ADJUDICATED FEES, WHATEVER THEY MIGHT BE, THE FINE OR RESTITUTION, I'M GONNA JUST PUT ALL THAT IN ONE BIG POT OF THEY OWE MONEY TO SOMEBODY AND IT'S UP TO THE COURT TO COLLECT IT.

IS THAT A FAIR WAY OF STATING THAT? YES, IT IS.

SO WHAT IN, IN, UM, I'M GONNA DIVIDE THIS IN HALF CURRENT AND THEN ALL THE ONES THAT ARE OLD, WHICH COULD, YOU SAID COULD BE OLDER THAN 10 YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M SEPARATING THEM.

SO ON THE CURRENT, UM, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU SAY IS, HAS BEEN RECOVERABLE? THAT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY WITHOUT ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT DATA, BUT I'D SAY THE MOST RECENT ONES, OUR COLLECTION IS PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE THE, THE RECENT DEFENDANTS SEEM TO BE COMPLYING WITH THEIR SENTENCING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MOST PART.

NOW THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN ALL THE TIME, BUT WE HAVE, A LOT OF TIMES A DEFENDANT WILL COME IN AND, AND ASK TO DO A, A MODIFIED PAYMENT AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THEIR SENTENCING REQUIREMENTS.

NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT I THINK SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, OUR PERCENTAGE OF DEFENDANTS COMPLYING WITH THE THE COURT'S SENTENCING REQUIREMENTS IS PRETTY HIGH.

IT'S THE OLDER CASES THAT WE REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, AND I WAS GOING THERE, SO THAT'S WHY I SEPARATED THEM BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOME THAT MAY BE

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10 YEARS OR MORE OLDER.

MM-HMM, , YOU'RE, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO TRACK DOWN WHERE THAT PERSON IS IF THEY'RE EVEN STILL ALIVE AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN THEN, UM, WELL, WHETHER OR NOT, IF IT'S A CASE OF HAVING TO ATTEND SOMETHING, DID THEY ATTEND IT? WHEN DID THEY ATTEND IT? TRYING TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE LYING OR NOT LYING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY ATTENDED.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S RECOVERABLE FEES.

SO IF YOU WERE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME FIGURING OUT PERCENTAGE ON THESE, PROBABLY, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK THE PERCENTAGE OF RECOVERABLE IS.

UM, ON, ON OLD ONES, WE'LL JUST SAY WE DON'T KNOW.

AND I'LL LEAVE IT AS WE DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS TO SAY THAT THERE ARE METRICS THAT WE COULD GET OFF OF THIS POSITION THAT WOULD LET US KNOW HOW MANY OLD CASES HAVE BEEN ATTACKED AND RECOVERED OR NOT RECOVERABLE.

IT WOULD ALSO LET US KNOW HOW MANY CASES THAT ARE CURRENT, SAY WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, WHATEVER CURRENT IS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, UM, HAVE BEEN ALSO THEN ADJUDICATED AND THEN FULFILLED WHATEVER THE ADJUDICATION IS, THEY'VE BEEN FULFILLED.

SO, UM, THAT'S JUST ON WHY I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING, AS LONG AS WE GET THE RIGHT METRICS IN PLACE SO WE CAN SEE THAT THAT ROLE IS DOING WHAT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE DOING.

I, I'D BE SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT I, AND NOW JUST AS SOMEONE WHO, LIKE MANY PEOPLE UP HERE ON THE DAAS HAS RUN LARGE TEAMS, UM, YOU ALL, WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T ASK PEOPLE TO DO TOO MUCH WORK AT A PAY LEVEL BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH WORK YOU'RE ASKING OF ME AND WHAT I THINK I'M REALLY EARNING WHEN I DO THAT.

SO YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU BURN PEOPLE OUT AND WHEN YOU BURN THEM OUT, THEY'RE GONNA DO A LOWER QUALITY JOB AND EVENTUALLY THEY WILL LEAVE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SAY, IT'S NOT WORTH THE MONEY.

I'D RATHER GO WORK AT MCDONALD'S, UM, OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, APPARENTLY THE CITY.

UM, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE THAT.

SO I, WHEN I HEAR WE HAVE 800 CASES A YEAR GOING THROUGH OUR COURTS, UM, SOME OF WHICH I WOULD ASSUME ARE SIMPLE CASES, UM, AND SOME I WOULD ASSUME ARE NOT SO SIMPLE CASES.

THEN I WANNA CLARIFY THAT THAT'S 800 CASES PER CLERK.

OH, PER CLERK.

SO THAT'S EVEN WORSE JUST TO SAY, UM, THAT IS A, TO ME THAT FEELS LIKE A HEAVY WORKLOAD.

I'VE NEVER BEEN A COURT CLERK, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED, BUT I'M GONNA GUESS IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF TAKING A PIECE OF PAPER AND PUTTING IN A FILE CABINET.

SO THE, TO ME, YOUR TURNOVER RATE IMPLIES TO ME PEOPLE ARE BURNING OUT.

UM, AND THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE BURNOUT WHEN IT'S TRULY BURNOUT, NOT LIKE I'M BORED OR WHATEVER, AND I NEED A BETTER JOB OR IT DOESN'T PAY WELL ENOUGH.

THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE BURNOUT IS TO BALANCE OUT THE WORKLOAD SO THAT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T MIND COMING TO WORK, THEY'RE NOT OVERBURDENED, THEY FEEL SUCCESSFUL, UM, IN THEIR ROLE.

AND SO, UM, I'M, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M LOOKING AT THE LAST REQUEST WITH THE POST ADJUDICATED AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM THE WORK GROUP.

UM, WHERE SHOULD THIS PERSON EVER CATCH UP? THEY COULD ALSO BE CROSS-TRAINED TO DO REGULAR CLERK WORK SO THAT YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN COME IN AND HELP OUT WHEN YOU NEED IT.

SO I, I WOULD PERSONALLY BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOME METRICS TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THE POST AJU CASES ARE GETTING DONE TO WHAT LEVEL THEY'RE GETTING DONE.

BOTH NEW, THE ONES THAT ARE WITHIN A TIMELY MANNER.

I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO SOMEONE ELSE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS BY DEFINITION AND OLD WHAT OUR RECOVERY RATES ARE, WHO'S BEING SERVED, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S RESTITUTIONS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, UM, FUNDS THAT ARE FINES.

I, I WOULD BE SORT OF HAPPY WITH THAT.

AND I, I'M LOOKING AT THE OTHER PEOPLE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT I'M GETTING LIKE NO RESPONSE, BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE? I'M GONNA BE REAL QUICK 'CAUSE WE, AND WE HAVE TO START CONDENSING OUR COMMENTS.

ALL OF US, BUT MYSELF INCLUDED, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOUR PAST CASELOAD WAS CAUGHT UP BECAUSE OF THE FINANCES.

I THOUGHT THEY WERE THE SAME.

SO I JUST DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE 10 YEARS BEHIND.

I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE FINANCIAL PART.

SO NO, IT'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.

IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT, AT THIS FURTHER.

I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE SALARIES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, BUT, UH, YOUR STAFF IS WITH THE REST OF, UH, CITY STAFF.

HOW IS THAT CALCULATED? UH, KAREN OR SHERRY? UM, SO THE, UM, THE POSITION IS IN THE RANGE SG EIGHT AND CURRENTLY THAT RANGE STARTS AT

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2046.

AND I THINK, OH MY GOD, MOST OF THE TIME THEY START SOMEWHERE NEAR THE LOWER END.

THAT'S PART TIME.

THE TIME MAYBE BE 21, 22 AN HOUR.

SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.

I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THE CASELOAD.

UH, HOW MANY ARE CRIMINAL OF THOSE 800 PER STAFF VERSUS TRAFFIC COURT? UH, I APOLOGIZE.

I DON'T OKAY.

THINK I HAD THAT BREAKDOWN BECAUSE I'M JUST WONDERING IF, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC COURT IS PRETTY SIMPLE.

THEY GO TO TRAFFIC SCHOOL DONE.

THIS IS CONDENSE OR COMMENTS .

YEAH, NO, I, BUT I THINK IT'S TO UNDERSTAND THE, THAT WORKLOAD.

WHAT IS THE, ARE THOSE ALL CRIMINAL CASES OR, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK CRIMINAL CASES THERE'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED AS OPPOSED TO TRAFFIC COURT.

THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO GO, ACTUALLY, I, I KNOW THERE ARE MORE CIVIL AND CRIMINAL TRAFFIC FILINGS THAN THERE ARE, UM, CRIMINAL PER SE FILINGS.

SO, BUT THEY'RE ALL, THEY ALL TAKE DIFFERENT ASPECTS AS THEY GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM.

SO, OKAY, MAYOR, THERE ARE METRICS ON PAGE MC TWO OF THE PACKET WORKLOAD INDICATORS THAT BREAK DOWN CIVIL TRAFFIC CITATIONS, CRIMINAL CITATIONS, LOCAL NON-CRIMINAL ORDINANCE, CITATIONS, UM, AND THEN ORDERS OF PROTECTION.

WITH THE BIG BOOK, I LOST TRACK OF WHERE WHERE WE WERE.

WELL MAYOR, IF I COULD HELP JUMP IN AND OUT.

OH YES, .

HI, I'M LOOKING ALL AROUND, UH, JUDGE SLAGEL AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET YET, BUT WE WILL BE GETTING TOGETHER AND THESE ARE ALL REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS FOR ME GOING INTO THAT AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DIVE INTO THAT AND HELP WITH, UM, ALONG WITH RUSS.

AND THEN WE CAN BRING BACK, YOU KNOW, A MORE SPECIFIC, UM, ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND, UH, STRATEGY AND THAT TYPE OF THING TO OKAY.

TRY TO HELP THE JUDGE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THERE.

SO IF THAT HELPS YOU, I'M DEFINITELY WILLING TO, TO, UH, GET TOGETHER WITH HIM AND LOOK AT THAT.

I DON'T DUNNO IF THAT HELPS US NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN OF SUPPORTING YEAH.

POSITIONS.

SO, UH, JESSICA, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THAT SALARY JUST IS ABYSMALLY LOW FOR ANY KIND OF WORK, LET ALONE THE KIND OF WORK THAT IS VERY STRESSFUL HERE.

SO, I MEAN, I CAN SORT OF JUST ON THAT ALONE UNDERSTAND THE TURNOVER.

UM, AND I KNOW WE'RE DOING A SALARY STUDY AND I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU, I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO THINK ABOUT IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO BEFORE THE SALARY STUDY IS COMPLETELY FINISHED TO KIND OF BEGIN TO ADDRESS WHAT, I THINK IT'S A REALLY PRETTY BIG ISSUE HERE.

UM, SO JUST WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO HIM AND YOU'RE MOVING ON, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE INTERIM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

ANYTHING ELSE SHERRY? JUDGE? NO, THANK YOU.

UH, DOES SHE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY, MELISSA, JUST, I JUST WANTED YES, PLEASE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR YOU SHERRY.

SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DECISION PACKAGES, UM, THEY'RE NOT FINALIZED UNTIL WE DO THE FINAL BUDGET.

IS THAT OUR FINAL APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET? CORRECT.

SO WE COULD, IF WE WANTED TO SAY THUMBS UP, WE GET MORE INFORMATION FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY MANAGER BACK AFTER THE CONVERSATION THAT THEY HAD, WE CAN THEN AT THAT POINT CHOOSE TO DO ANOTHER THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN AS FAR AS FINAL BUDGET? YES.

ANYTHING ELSE JERRY? UM, SO THERE ARE NO, UM, CIP PROJECTS, UH, FOR THE COURT.

THE PLAN IS THAT THE, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE PHASE TWO OF THE REMODEL WILL BE COMPLETE BY JUNE 30.

IT IS A MUCH LESSER SCOPE THAN WHAT THE JUDGE WAS HOPING AND I THINK HE HOPES TO HAVE ESSENTIALLY, I GUESS LIKE A PHASE TWO B OR A PHASE THREE OR WHATEVER AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THE PRICING IS SO HIGH THAT WITH THE MONIES THAT THE COURT, UM, RECEIVES THAT COULD GO TOWARDS THAT PROJECT, IT WOULD TAKE SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE THEY COULD AFFORD THAT.

I WAS WONDERING WHY IT WASN'T IN THERE, BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND.

OKAY, JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TRIP UP.

THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.

OKAY, WE GOING TAKE THE CANYON.

IT'S QUICKER.

I'LL, YEAH, I HAVE A LEFT STATE FIRST THOUGH.

IT'S PRETTIER TOO, SO.

UH, 10 OR 15? 15.

SHERRY, HOW, HOW ARE WE DOING TIME-WISE? 'CAUSE I'M GETTING CONCERNED.

UM, WE'RE GREAT.

REALLY? YES.

FOR WHAT TIME ARE YOU PROJECTING AN END OF THE DAY? MIDNIGHT.

UM, USUALLY THIS DAY GOES A LITTLE FASTER THAN MY PROJECTIONS.

I, I PROJECTED OUT TO BE SAFE OF UNTIL FIVE, BUT I BET WE'LL GET DONE SOONER.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A, YEAH.

10 25, 5 30 NO MATTER WHERE.

COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

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I, I WORE BLACK TODAY BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING BUDGET YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE RED.

I LIKED IT.

STEVE'S GREAT WITH ALL THE DAD JOKES.

YEAH, SOME PEOPLE SAY GREAT.

SOME PEOPLE, YEAH.

OH, THAT'S NOT REALLY OKAY.

TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH EVERYBODY.

UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

STEVE? YES SIR.

WHAT DO YOU GOT FOR US ? SO I'M GONNA START OFF GOING OVER UM, SOME OF THE INFORMATION ON THE SLIDES.

SO, UM, THE SUMMARY CHANGES FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FISCAL YEAR 24 DIRECT COSTS OR BUDGET WAS ABOUT 1.9 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 GOING TO ABOUT 2 MILLION.

UM, THERE WAS UH, THE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE WAGES AND BENEFITS OF ABOUT 197,000, UM, DECREASE OF ONE ONETIME COSTS OF ABOUT 102,000.

I BELIEVE A LOT OF THAT IS GONNA BE RELATED TO THE UPDATE TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

UM, THERE WAS AN INCREASE FOR THE OUTSOURCE PLAN REVIEW OF ABOUT 20,000.

THE OVERALL CHANGE, 6%, THE ONGOING PORTION AND INCREASE OF 13% WITHIN THE ONETIME COSTS.

THERE'S TOTAL OF ABOUT 135,000.

UM, THERE IS, UH, FOR THE CULTURAL PARK AREA MASTER PLAN, UM, CARRYING OVER 105,000 AND ADDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THAT TO BRING IT UP TO A HUNDRED AND, UH, 21,000.

AND THEN SOME OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THROUGH ENTERPRISE WITH THE LEASE PAYMENTS AND UM, BALANCE PAYOFF, UM, IS THE REMAINDER OF THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BRIAN? THANK YOU MAYOR.

GOOD MORNING STEVE.

ON CD, ON CD ONE YOU'VE GOT, JUST LOOKING AT THE ORG CHART, YOU'VE GOT A PRINCIPAL PLANNER AND THEN A PLANNING MANAGER.

SO PRINCIPAL PLANNER, THAT IS CYNTHIA.

IT IS WHO IS OR ISN'T RETIRING? .

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUT THERE OR NOT YET, BUT OKAY.

AND THEN THE PLANNING MANAGER IS CARRIE.

CARRIE? MM-HMM.

AND WE'VE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT THAT NEEDS TO GET THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND WHETHER WE'RE NEEDING TO DO MORE OUTSOURCING.

I KNOW THERE'S A LINE ITEM ON FOR PLAN REVIEW, UH, PER SE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF MINIMAL COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY OUTSOURCING THE ACTIVITY OF PLANNERS.

THAT'S AN INCREASE IN THAT LINE ITEM.

SO I BELIEVE IT INCREASED UP TO ONE 40 FROM ONE 20, IS THAT CORRECT? OR FROM ONE 40 TO ONE 60.

SO THAT NUMBER, UM, HAS TO DO ON THE, UH, THAT'S WITH THE BUILDING SAFETY SIDE OF PLAN REVIEW THAT, THAT ONE 60.

UM, AS FAR AS FOR PLANNERS, UH, WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM TO WHERE WE GET, IF WE GET INTO TROUBLE, UM, WE CAN SEND A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THEIR WAY.

TO BE THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER POSITION ALLOCATED IT TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

BUT JUST FOR THE AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOUR SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED WITH KAREN PREVIOUSLY ABOUT OF, OKAY, WELL THERE'S SO MUCH PLANNING WE WANT TO GET DONE, RIGHT? SO, OKAY, WELL WE GOTTA GET THROUGH COMMUNITY PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY, CHECK, OH, NOW WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO CULTURAL PARK MASTER PLAN.

AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THERE IT SEQUENTIALLY YOU'RE BOOKED OUT FOR YEARS.

RIGHT? SO ARE WE MAKING ANY EFFORT, WHETHER IT'S OUTSOURCING OR ADDITIONAL HIRING TO TRY TO INCREASE CAPACITY FOR HOW MUCH WE CAN REALLY ABSORB? YES, SIR.

UM, WE ACTUALLY WERE GIFTED AN ADDITIONAL FTE THIS YEAR, UH, TO IMPART ADDRESS, UH, WHAT COUNCIL WAS TALKING ABOUT DURING THE RETREAT PROCESS OF WORKING MORE WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON CITY PROJECTS AND UH, ADDING THAT SEDONA SPECIAL TO THAT, BUT THAT WON'T BE THE FULL-TIME RESPONSIBILITY, UH, ALLOWING US HAVING THAT DRAFT T ALLOWS US TO THEN, UH, EXPEND OTHER RESOURCES INTO OTHER AREAS.

OKAY, BUT THAT'S NOT A DECISION PACKAGE PER SE, DOES THAT? NO, NO.

SO WE, WE TOOK, UM, AN FTE DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET PROCESS.

UH, WE TOOK WHAT USED

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UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME IT WAS, UM, FOR A THIRD BUILDING PERMIT TECH POSITION.

AND, UM, AND THEN THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT THROUGH ATTRITION THEN THAT WOULD BE RETURNED BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

BUT THEN, UM, KAREN SAID, NO, I'M, I'M GIVING YOU THAT FTE PERMANENTLY AND WE CREATED THE SENIOR PLANNER, UH, POSITION IN THIS FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.

OKAY, GOT IT.

AND IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT, THAT WAS AN EFFORT TO NOT HAVE TO CREATE AN ADDITIONAL NEW POSITION THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT COUNCILOR FOLTZ YOU JUST BROUGHT UP RELATED TO ALL OF THE LONG RANGE PLANNING ACTIVITIES THAT ARE IN THE QUEUE.

UM, AS WELL AS THAT CIP PLANNER, SEDONA SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, RANGER STATION, PARK TYPE OF, UH, PROJECT PLANNING.

SO ASSUMING THAT THIS PERSON COULD PLAY A DUAL ROLE AS STEVE MENTIONED, BUT ALSO LIKELY AUGMENTED BY OUTSOURCED CONSULTANT SERVICES.

SO ONE FULL-TIME CITY PER STAFF PERSON CAN MANAGE MULTIPLE, UH, EXTERNAL CONTRACTS SIMULTANEOUSLY AS OPPOSED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, DOING A, DOING A CFA FROM SOUP TO NUTS IN-HOUSE.

RIGHT? SO WE'RE TRYING TO LEVERAGE THOSE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT SERVICES WITH AN INTERNAL STAFF PERSON.

VICE MAYOR HOUSING BROUGHT TO US A PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE LDC AROUND ADUS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

OR A YEAR AGO.

AND AT THE TIME I WASN'T REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF PICKING OUT ONE PARTICULAR ELEMENT OF THE, OF THE LDC 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE NEED TO LOOK MORE GLOBALLY.

NEVER, NEVER THOUGHT IN MY MIND IT WOULD BE LIKE THREE YEARS OUT.

MM-HMM THAT WE WOULD DO A WHOLE LDC REVISION.

WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO START LOOKING AT THE LDC? I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THE LDC, WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE CHANGES AND WE HAVE TO THEN VOTE ON THOSE CHANGES AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO INTO, INTO EFFECT.

SO, UM, AT THE, AS YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH THAT PROCESS.

WE DID PUSH THAT OUT INTO, UH, FISCAL YEAR 26.

THEREFORE IT'S NOT IN THIS BUDGET PLAN.

UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE, UH, LOW HANGING FRUIT SORTS OF THINGS SUCH AS WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO THAT WE ABSOLUTELY CAN BRING BACK IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL, UH, WANTS US TO DO.

UM, WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT CHANGE, STILL ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT CHANGE.

SO WE STILL CAN WORK ON THOSE, UH, THOSE, THOSE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE EASIER TO ATTAIN OUT THERE AND STILL COULD MAKE SOME, UH, SOME CHANGES.

I SUPPORT THAT.

I'M SEEING SOME YEP.

BRIAN AGREEMENT BRIAN SUPPORT THAT IS, IS THAT NOT ALREADY IN YOUR 2025 OBJECTIVES, YOUR COUNCIL PRIORITY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORK HOMELESSNESS IS WORKING WITH THE HOUSING MANAGER TO EXPLORE THOSE CHANGES.

AND, AND THAT IS, THAT WAS ALREADY DIRECTION PROVIDED AT THE DECEMBER PRIORITY SETTING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT SPECIFIC HOUSING RELATED AMENDMENTS TO THE LDC BECAUSE THEY CAN SERVE MORE STANDALONE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS LIKE SUSTAINABILITY, UM, AND SO FORTH.

SO THAT IS ALREADY IN THE WORK ESTABLISHED WORK PROGRAM.

CAN I JUST TO THAT POINT PLEASE.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THAT ISN'T FOR 25 BECAUSE I, I DO KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE RETREAT, UM, BUT I DID THINK IT WAS WORTH RESTATING HERE BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING WE HEAR REPEATEDLY OUT THERE FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT LOOKING AT ADUS SPECIFICALLY.

SO I KNOW YOU JUST TOLD US WHAT WE WANTED TO HEAR, BUT I WANTED TO REITERATE WHY WE WANT TO HEAR IT AND PUT IT OUT THERE EVEN STRONGER.

SO SURE.

THINK A LOT HAD TO DO WITH THAT WAS THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND THE RESTRICTIONS ON, UH, YOU KNOW, DEED RESTRICTION FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AND WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT, UH, CHANGE TO COME IN FROM THE STATE, I WOULD THINK BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

WELL TO DISCUSS AND IF IT DOESN'T, WE STILL NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

RIGHT? EXACTLY.

AND IF IT COMES IN, IN A WAY THAT'S NOT FAVORABLE TO WHAT WE WANT, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD ASSUME IF I WAS A BIDDING PERSON, PUT MONEY ON, UM, WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT.

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SO EITHER WAY IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.

IT'S, IT'S GOT, IT'S GOTTA BE ON THE PLAN TO START ASAP.

AND, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE A D IT'S THE THINGS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS TELLING US.

OUR OBSTACLES IMPEDIMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, PETE READY? THANK YOU MAYOR.

READY TO MOVE ON TO A DIFFERENT SUBJECT? OH YEAH.

STEVE.

GOOD MORNING COUNCILOR FURMAN, I KNOW THAT YOU CAN, UH, YOU'RE A TOUGH GUY.

SO HERE'S ONE OF THE SHARPER QUESTIONS I HAD PLANNED FOR THE DAY.

CD 10 H CD 10, BUILDING SAFETY OVERALL C VALUE METRICS.

I WANNA JUST PUT OUT THERE THAT A QUESTION TO YOU IS WHY AREN'T THESE COMING DOWN EXPERIENCE OVER TIME? ARE PROJECTS GETTING MORE COMPLEX? WHY, WHAT DO OUR METRICS NOT SORT OF TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EXPERTISE? AND THERE, THERE ARE A FEW REASONS, AND I JUST SPOKE TO OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL YESTERDAY BECAUSE SOME OF THESE I DO SEE AS WE'RE GETTING INDICATIONS THAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE GONNA BE THIS LOW, UM, UH, SPECIFICALLY OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME PERMITS.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF A COUPLE NEW PROJECTS COMING IN.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS, UH, THIS NUMBER OF 40 NEW HOMES FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 WILL PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO 55 60.

UM, BUT WE, WE PROJECT THESE THREE MONTHS INTO THE NEW YEAR AND SO WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE CORRECT.

UM, MY, MY SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS ON THE SECTION DOWN BELOW, WHICH IS THE, THE PLAN REVIEW DURATIONS FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PERMITS.

I SEE JUST OVER TIME THAT OUR TIME TO PROCESS REVIEWS HAS GONE UP NOT DOWN.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, SINGLE FAMILY HOME PERMITS.

UM, THOSE ARE ESTIMATES THAT, UH, DAVE FEELS, UH, HE'S, HE'S INSTITUTING SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS UPON STAFF.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR NEW CODE CHANGES THAT IS GOING TO, UH, REQUIRE, UH, A LEARNING PROCESS IN THE COMMUNITY, A LEARNING PROCESS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE PRACTICAL ABOUT IT AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE PROBABLY ARE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT LONGER LEAD TIME ON SOME OF THESE.

I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T OFTEN PUT ON MY PRIVATE SECTOR HAT WHILE I SIT UP HERE ON THE DIOCESE, BUT WHEN I, IF I DID THAT AND I LOOKED AT THESE NUMBERS AND I WAS A MANAGER, I WOULD NOT BE VERY HAPPY.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS, WHATEVER, BUT PERHAPS WE ARE.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD LEAD TO A DECLINE IN SOME OF THE PROCESSING TIMES THAT WE DO.

AND I HOPE THAT WE THINK ABOUT GOOD GOVERNANCE AND, AND UH, EFFICIENCIES AND PLANNED EFFECTIVENESS, YOU KNOW, OUR PROCESS, PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS.

I MEAN WE DO STRIVE FOR THAT.

UM, AND UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE A NEW PERSONNEL AND WE ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING SOME NEW CHANGES IN THOSE REGARDS.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? I DON'T THINK SO.

UM, AND THEY ARE NOT PLANNING ON ANY FEE CHANGES AT THIS.

WELL THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD THING.

WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN.

I'M GONNA HAVE TO RUN.

I'VE GOT ANOTHER MEETING.

YES, .

THANK YOU STEVEN.

YOU GOT US UH, TWO MINUTES AHEAD OF SCHEDULE NOW.

GOING DOWN IN FISCAL YEAR 25 TO 11.1.

UM, SO THE NEXT SECTION IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS GENERAL SERVICES.

UM, SOME CITIES CALL THIS THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS WEIRD, BUT, SO WE CALL IT GENERAL SERVICES AND IT'S JUST A, A CONGLOMERATION OF THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY FIT INTO OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

UM, IT ALSO ENDS UP BEING A VERY LARGE AMOUNT BECAUSE OF UM, THE, UH, BOND PAYMENTS THAT ARE IN HERE AND SOME OF THE OTHER COSTS THAT ARE IN HERE.

SO FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGETED DIRECT COSTS, UM, WAS 13.6 MILLION

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THAT'S A DECREASE OF 18%.

THE ONGOING PORTION IS AN 8% INCREASE.

UM, LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE IN THE ONE TIME COST OF 105,000.

UM, VERY SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THE CONTINGENCIES OF 2.3 MILLION.

UH, THE, THE BIGGEST PORTION OF THAT DECREASE IS GONNA BE RELATED TO ARPA FUNDING.

SO, UM, WE HAD KIND OF VERY BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON IN THE VERY FIRST SESSION WITH WASTEWATER THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING THE BALANCE OF THE ARPA MONEY TO, UM, HELP, UH, POSTPONE WHEN WE NEED A RATE INCREASE AND HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

UM, SO THERE'S NO CONTINGENCY NEEDED 'CAUSE IT'S IDENTIFIED WHERE THOSE MONIES ARE GOING TO GO.

UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE IN OUR DEBT SERVICE COSTS OF ABOUT 200,000.

UM, IT INCLUDES THE INCREASE THE COUNCIL, UM, HAD REQUESTED DURING THE COUNCIL RETREAT TO GO FROM 200,000 TO 350,000 FOR THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM.

UM, THE SERVICE CONTRACTS, UM, SO THIS WILL NOW BE YEAR TWO IN THE, IN THE CONTRACTS THAT WERE RENEGOTIATED LAST YEAR.

AND SO IT'S BASED OFF OF CPI ADJUSTMENTS, WHICH IS THE 3.6% AT THE 60,000.

UM, WE ARE TAKING OUT.

SO IN THE WHOLE TRANSITION, UM, WITH THE CHAMBER NO LONGER BEING THE TOURISM BUREAU, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS, UM, THAT THEY HANDLED DONATIONS FOR THE RED ROCK TRAIL FUND AND WE SAID WELL WE COULD TAKE THAT ON.

AND SO THE PASS THROUGH OF THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE A BUDGET ITEM.

THEY ENDED UP SAYING, NO, IT'S OKAY, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

UM, THEY WERE GOING TO CHARGE US US A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE FELT WE COULD DO IT AT A MUCH CHEAPER COST IF WE DID IT OURSELVES AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE US UP ON THAT.

UM, PROPERTY AND LIABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUMS GOING UP ABOUT 55,000 WITH WITHIN THE ONE TIME CASH.

CASH, YES.

WHAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE INCREASE? I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THE PROPERTY AND LIABILITY INSURANCE, 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S INSURANCE IS JUST GOING THROUGH THE ROOF EVERYWHERE.

YEAH, IT'S BEEN GOING UP EACH YEAR.

UM, AND I FORGET WHAT WE BUDGETED.

WE, I THINK WE BUDGETED THIS LAST YEAR, 460 SOMETHING THOUSAND, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND IT WAS, IT'S GONNA END UP BEING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND THEN WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT IT'S EXPECTED TO BE A LITTLE OVER 500,000 FOR AND THAT'S CITYWIDE ALL INSURANCE FOR VEHICLES, PROPERTIES, UM, EVERYTHING.

IT'S A LOT.

WE BUDGETED 530 FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.

SO LIKE 10%.

SHERRY GOING BACK TO THE TRAIL FUND BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I GOT ROPED INTO A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

DECREASE 55,000 BUT WE'RE STILL GIVING THEM 50,000 WE'RE DONATING.

THIS WAS FOR THE PASS THROUGH OF IF WE DID THE, THE BILLING TO THEIR DONORS ON THEIR, FOR THEM.

UM, BUT YES, THE 50,000 IS STILL, IS STILL GOOD.

IT'S STILL GOOD.

SO THEY WERE GONNA CHARGE US ANOTHER 52,000 FOR THAT PASS THROUGH.

IS THAT THEY, THEY WERE GONNA CHARGE, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE $12,000 AND IT WAS LIKE ABOUT 12 INVOICES AND WE SAID WE COULD JUST DO THAT OURSELVES AND THEY DIDN'T.

AND THE AMOUNT OF THE DONATIONS WOULD'VE BEEN 52,000 WE WOULD'VE PASSED.

GOT YOU.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND CHAIR.

THEY, WE DO GET A, A DIVIDEND, A RETURN FROM THE INSURANCE POOL EACH YEAR AS WELL THOUGH THAT'S BEEN OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND EACH YEAR FOR THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.

SO THE INSURANCE COSTS ARE HIGH UP FRONT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE RISK AVERSE AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S FINE.

BUT WE'RE POOLED WITH 76 OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS AND IN THE END THEY UH, PRORATE IT BACK IF IT'S NOT SPENT.

YEAH, IT'S BEEN AROUND 140 TO 150,000 THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.

UM, I DID TALK TO, UM, ED BENTEL, UM, AT THE A CMA CONFERENCE BACK IN JANUARY AND HE SAID HE THINKS IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LESS THIS YEAR, BUT HE SAID DON'T BUDGET ANYTHING FOR 25 JUST IN CASE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED FOR DIVIDEND, SO IT'LL BE ADDED MONEY IF WE GET ONE.

ANYTHING ELSE? GOOD? OKAY.

UM, SO ON THE ONE TIME, UM, SO ONE TIME COSTS WE INCLUDE THE BOND PAYMENTS IN HERE IS BASICALLY ONE TIME.

UM, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A TERMINATION OF WHEN THEY END AT SOME POINT.

SO THERE'S 7.2 MILLION FOR THAT.

UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, IN PROCESS THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE STUDY GOING ON AND UM, SO THAT WILL CONTINUE INTO THE NEXT YEAR.

WE'RE CARRYING OVER ABOUT 48,000, UM, FOR THAT BUDGET.

UM, CONTINGENCIES, UM, WE HAVE BUILT IN 956,000, UM, AND UM, A FEW VARIOUS OTHER SMALLER ITEMS, UM, WITHIN THE ONE TIME.

I HAVE A QUESTION, JESSICA.

THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT CONTINGENCIES.

UH, NO, WE ARE DROPPING THE CONTINGENCIES QUITE A BIT AND I HAVE A SEPARATE SLIDE ON CONTINGENCIES.

INCREASED THAT ALLOCATION TO THE 350,000.

GO OVER.

UM, SO THE SMALL GRANTS BUDGET, UM, SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, WE

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UM, YOU COULD SEE, UM, HERE ON THIS SLIDE WHAT THE, UM, ORIGINAL BUDGETED PROJECTIONS WERE FOR 24, WHAT THE ESTIMATES ARE, UM, FOR 24 AND THE ACTUALS FOR 23 AND 22.

AND, UM, SO 25 IS JUST A, A GUESS ON THESE NUMBERS OF WHAT THE AVERAGES MIGHT BE AND WHAT THE RANGE MIGHT BE.

VICE MAYOR, IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING UP THE REQUEST FROM THE ARTS COMMUNITY OR IS THERE SOME OTHER PLACE IN THE BUDGET? UH, A, A QUESTION BEFORE JUST ABOUT THIS CHART.

WELL THIS IS ABOUT SMALL GRANTS, SO MM-HMM.

I WOULD THINK SO.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH INTEREST.

WELL, I'M JUST SAYING CAN I, WE HAVE TO COME YES, YOU CAN.

WITH LITTLE SPECIFIC QUE SO OF THE, UH, 200,000 THAT WAS BUDGETED, THAT WAS AWARDED, SOME GRANTS WERE RETURNED.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, SO IN FISCAL YEAR 24, THAT, UM, ESTIMATE OF THE SMALL GRANTS AWARDED YEAH.

OF 181,200.

SO THE BUDGETED AMOUNT WAS 200,000.

BUT SO SOMEBODY, THE DIFFERENCE REPRESENTS, UM, ONE OF THE AWARDS THAT THEY, THEY DID NOT FULFILL.

IS THAT ONE RE ONE WAS ONE AWARD WAS RETURNED? IT SAYS SOME GRANTS.

YEAH, I THINK IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS ONE.

IT WAS, IT WASN'T AT SAHA.

WHERE WE JUST DIDN'T OKAY.

THE SAHA.

OKAY, SO A DEVICE MAIL BROUGHT UP ABOUT DISCUSSING THE, UH, ARTS CENTER OR THE ARTS COMMUNITY, UH, THE HALF A MILLION DOLLAR ASK.

SO ANYBODY WISH TO ADDRESS THAT? NO.

THERE'S NO INTEREST IN ADDRESSING THAT, UH, AT ALL THE HALF A MILLION DOLLAR REQUEST.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO IT BEFORE WE CLOSE IT UP? NO, I JUST WANT, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING IT BECAUSE IT WAS PRESENTED TO US.

I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT, KATHY.

SO I APPRECIATE THE REQUEST AND THE INFORMATION THAT WENT INTO, UM, DOCUMENTING IT AND BRINGING IT FORWARD AND PRESENTING AND ALSO FOLLOW UP INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN COMING TO US BY EMAIL.

I JUST THINK THE TIMING WAS NOT RIGHT BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY INTO THIS BUDGET PROCESS.

THAT IS A BIG NUMBER THAT WOULD'VE TO BE ADDED INTO THE BUDGET.

AND I THINK THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER DURING THE FORMATION OF THE BUDGET TO INCLUDE A NUMBER LIKE THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO IT WAS SORT OF, ALTHOUGH I, I APPRECIATE WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.

I THINK THE TIMING IS UNFORTUNATE FOR REAL CONSIDERATION AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, THAT THAT BE A MORE FORMALIZED PROCESS FOR NEXT YEAR.

UM, THERE WAS DIALOGUE THAT HAPPENED AND A BUDGET REQUEST THAT WENT IN, IN A TIMELY WAY THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.

AND I THINK, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT THE SAME THING BECAUSE THAT'S A CONTRACTED SERVICE PROVIDER.

THE PROCESSES TO ME IS, IS VERY SIMILAR.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IN THE TIMING OF, OF THE REQUEST.

UH, BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR KINSELLA.

I DID MEET WITH JULIE RICHARDS EARLIER THIS WEEK JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE ASK, THE FACT THAT IT WAS COMING REALLY LATE IN THE PROCESS, ET CETERA.

UM, MY OPINION IS THAT WE NEED AN ARTS STRATEGY OVERALL.

WE NEED TO GET, UH, DATA ALIGNING OUT.

ONE OF MY OBSERVATIONS, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT A COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT SAID, DON'T SPEND MORE, MORE MONEY ON ARTS.

RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE THE QUESTION WAS WORDED WELL, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD, RIGHT? AND THEN THE BRANDING FOLKS SAID THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING HERE BECAUSE OF THE ARTS, RIGHT? WE, WE NEED TO HAVE A, IF WE'RE A COMMUNITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A STRATEGY TO SUPPORT THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE DO.

I DON'T WANT TO JUST GO SPEND MONEY BECAUSE IT MAKES US FEEL GOOD.

UM, AND I ALSO TOLD HER LIKE, LOOK, THIS HAS A TOURISM COMPONENT.

LIKE THIS NEEDS TO WORK IN THROUGH WHAT THE TAB IS ASSIGNED AND WHAT OUR SETI GROUP IS WORKING ON.

'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

AND CULTURE AS A STRATEGY AND IN AN ASK FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS.

SO I THINK THERE'S A PATH AND, AND, UH, NANCY SHOULD BE PART OF VETTING, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF, UH, ASK AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE INTERESTED TO, TO HEAR WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT ON ARTS

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THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

THEN I'LL WAIT.

UH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I AM WONDERING WHERE, AND KAREN, MAYBE YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THIS, WHERE IT'S APP, WHERE IT APPROPRIATELY BELONGS TO DEVELOP THIS STRATEGY, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WE'VE REALLY EVER TASKED THE COORDINATOR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A STRATEGY, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE STRATEGY.

SO WHERE WOULD IT BELONG? I, I THINK THE FIRST THING WOULD BE TO HAVE, INTRODUCE THE CONVERSATION AT, THROUGH THE PRIORITY SETTING PROCESS.

I THINK THAT'S THE PLACE TO INITIATE.

AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE A MATTER, LIKE ALL THINGS WHERE THE CITY MANAGER WILL TAKE A LOOK AT RESOURCES AND DETERMINE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.

IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT YOU WANT SOME SORT OF ARTS MASTER PLANNING EFFORT TO, TO BE ADDED TO THE PRIORITY LIST, AND THEN HOW DO WE GET THAT DONE? UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THROUGH NANCY'S OFFICE APPROPRIATE PLACE.

I THINK THAT THIS , AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR, FOR ANNETTE, BUT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER DEPUTY CITY MANAGER LEVEL POSITION THAT SHE WILL BE RECRUITING AND FILLING.

THAT COULD BE A LOGICAL PLACE, UM, TO, TO HAVE THIS WORK DONE, AT LEAST THE PLANNING PART OF THE WORK.

AND THEN THROUGH THAT, DETERMINE WHAT OTHER POTENTIAL RESOURCES OR EXTERNAL SUPPORT, RIGHT.

IN PARTNERING WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO THIS KIND OF WORK, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU WANNA FOCUS YOUR EFFORTS, THERE MAY BE A PIECE OF THAT THAT'S THROUGH THE TOURISM BUREAU.

THERE MAY BE OTHER PIECES, JUST LIKE WE HAVE SOME THROUGH CITY MANAGERS, SOME THROUGH NANCY'S OFFICE, SOME THROUGH CALM DEV RIGHT NOW.

AND IT, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT MIGHT BE THE RIGHT WAY TO ADVANCE THIS CONVERSATION.

IS CARIO, SINCE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEIR CONTRACT CONTRACTED FOR.

I MEAN, THEY'RE DOING A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR TOURISM, BUT DO THEY HAVE COMPONENTS FOR, FOR DIFFERENT, UM, AVENUES DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS LOOKING AT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL IT'S AT.

I MEAN, DO THEY, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT GETS QUITE THAT GRANULAR DOWN TO A SPECIFIC TACTICS WOULD MM-HMM.

RELATIVE TO ARTS.

I THINK THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN TAKING A MORE HOLISTIC LOOK AT, AT ARTS AND WHAT THE CITY DOES AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY DOES.

'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO INCORPORATE THAT PIECE AS WELL.

THAT THAT WOULD BE A LARGER SORT OF PROJECT PLANNING EFFORT LIKELY FOR THE CITY MANAGE.

AGREE.

IS THAT SOMETHING PEOPLE WANNA SEE IN ART STRATEGY? I, UH, I BELIEVE SO.

I COULD JUST BRIEFLY.

SO, WELL, DO YOU HAVE WELL, OKAY, THEN JUST, I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND OVER HERE.

SO, UM, I BELIEVE IF ARTS, IF WE BELIEVE THAT ARTS IS IMPORTANT AND THAT IT IS ONE OF THE BASIS OF OUR CULTURE, UM, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE HAS THE COMMUNITY CHANGED? MM-HMM.

IS THAT WHAT WE ACTUALLY SAW IN THE SURVEY IS THAT WE HOLD TO THIS NOTION THAT WE'RE ANIMATED BY THE ARTS, BUT WE'RE NOT ANYMORE.

RIGHT? WE'RE NOT.

THAT WE ARE, WE'VE BECOME SOME OTHER TYPE OF COMMUNITY, MAYBE ATHLETES AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WANTS TO RIDE MOUNTAIN BIKES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT I THINK IT'S A BROADER CONVERSATION AROUND WERE WE TOLD SOMETHING WE DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE AROUND WHO SEDONA IS NOW BECOMING.

AND I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE STRATEGY AROUND HOW WE WANNA BRAND OURSELVES AND HOW WE SEE OURSELVES.

BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT JUST FROM THE DIOCESE.

SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHO THEY THINK WE ARE NOW AS WELL.

AND I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT THE SURVEY REALLY TOLD US NOT TO SPEND MONEY ON ANYTHING.

THAT'S TRUE.

, THEY DIDN'T PICK OUT THE ARTS .

WHICH IS IRONIC BECAUSE LAST NIGHT OUT OF THE FORUM THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, THE AUDIENCE INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THINGS UHHUH ON SPECIFIED THINGS SPECIFIED.

I THINK THAT REAL QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE BE, AND SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ROLE I THINK OF COUNCIL.

JESSICA, WHATEVER THEY WANT.

UM, I, I TEND TO, TO TO SORT OF AGREE WITH, WITH MELISSA HERE IN THE SENSE THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT BEING ANIMATED BY THE ARTS.

I'M NOT SURE WE ARE.

UM, BUT

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IF, IF, IF THE COMMUNITY IS LARGE, DOESN'T THINK WE SHOULD BE, AND WE THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE.

I THINK, UH, BECAUSE BECAUSE OF TOURISM, BECAUSE OF OUR HISTORY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A HISTORY BECAUSE OF THE CULTURE, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS TO DECIDE.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF EVERYBODY, IF 55% OF THE COMMUNITY WANNA GO RIDE MOUNTAIN BIKES, WE COULD STILL DECIDE THAT ARTS SHOULD BE SUPPORTED AND, AND SHOULD REGAIN A POSITION IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THE QUESTION.

THAT'S, I THINK IN THE END, WHAT THE QUESTION'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU WILL FIND A LOT OF, A LOT OF WHOLE HUB ABOUT ARTS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

UM, BUT I'M, I THINK THAT'S ONLY PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

I WOULD LIKE JUST TO SAY THAT WHILE I RESPECT WHAT THE ART COMMUNITY DID, I, I WAS DISAPPOINTED.

I, THIS WAS A FORUM AS I UNDERSTOOD IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW CAREFULLY IT WAS EXPLAINED WHEREBY THE COUNCIL WAS TO HEAR ABOUT THE INSTITUTION WE FUND.

UM, I HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THE INSTITUTION WE FUND.

I JUST FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT AVENUE.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS FAIR TO THE COUNCIL NECESSARILY TO, TO BRING IT UP IN THAT, IN THAT FORMAT, SORT OF AS A, AS AN I GOT YOU MOMENT, YOU KNOW? UM, HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA, AND THEN HAVE IT FILLED WITH OUR LOVELY AND WONDERFUL LEADERS OF OUR ART COMMUNITY WHO I UNDERSTAND SUPPORT AND ARE ALWAYS ADVOCATING FOR THE ARTS.

SO, WHILE NOT THE RIGHT TIME, I GUESS IS THE NICER WAY TO SAY IT, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS, IT WAS UNFAIR TO COUNCIL TO BRING IT UP IN THAT REGARD, BUT I'M ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE TOLD THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PRESENT OR WHAT OUR EXPECTATION WAS.

SO PUTTING THAT IN, PUTTING THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, I JUST, I JUST WANNA PUT OUT THERE THAT IT WAS NOT FOR ME A PLEASANT MOMENT.

VICE MAYOR, YOU WANNA JUST TOUCH ON THAT? AND THEN I HAVE SOME INFORMATION AS WELL.

THEY ASKED TO PRESENT THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY WE FUNDED, AND THAT WAS WHAT THE AGENDA OH, OKAY.

WAS AGENDA THEN I, THEN I MISUNDERSTOOD.

SO I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JULIE AND I APPRECIATED HER TAKING THE TIME.

UM, I WASN'T ABLE TO MEET HER IN PERSON.

I'VE JUST BEEN A LITTLE BUSY THAT DAY.

BUT, UH, I ASKED HER, WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH, UH, THE NUMBER FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS? AND SHE SAYS, WELL, NO, NOT FIVE AND A HALF MILLION.

ALTHOUGH I THINK THEY WOULD'VE SAID, YOU OFFERING, I'M SURE THEY, WELL, I'M NOT OFFERING, BUT I SAID, YOU KNOW HOW, AND SHE SAID, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE FEEL DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR ARE THE ARTS COMMUNITY OVERALL CONTRIBUTES TO THE CITY, UH, UH, INCOME.

I SAID, WELL, IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK THAT WAY.

AND SHE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SHE WAS VERY OPEN TO LISTENING.

AND THEN I EXPLAINED TO HER THAT YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS TWO DAYS BEFORE.

WE NEED A PROCESS.

AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS PROCESS TODAY.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

WHEN ANNETTE'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER, UH, NEW ASSISTANT, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.

WHENEVER SHE'S READY AND HOWEVER SHE'S READY, I I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

BUT, UM, JULIE WAS VERY INSISTENT.

UH, BRIAN, I'M SURE YOU, YOU EXPERIENCED THE SAME PASSION THAT SHE HAS.

I, THE, I I, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE NOT HAVING SOMEBODY LIKE JULIE REPRESENTING THIS COMMUNITY.

SHE REALLY IS PUSHING FOR THE ARTS AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT NOT FOR THAT KIND OF A NUMBER.

SO, UH, LET'S CONTINUE ON FOR, UH, BEYOND THE SMALL GRANTS HERE.

OH, WE HAVE OTHERS.

DO WE? SO THE NEXT SLIDE IS A LISTING OF THE SERVICE CONTRACTS.

UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, SO THE INCREASE IS BASED OFF OF WHAT'S IN THE CONTRACT OF A CPI INFLATOR OF THE 3.6.

UM, SO THE TOTAL FOR THE SERVICE CONTRACTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 IS 1.7 MILLION, UM, WITH THE LARGEST ONE BEING THE LIBRARY.

AND THEN, UM, SEDONA RECYCLES COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE LIBRARY FOR A MINUTE.

AND YOU'RE JUMPING FROM, IF I UNDERSTAND, 5 41 9 TO, UH, 8 65.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF, UH, I MEAN, I THINK I KNOW WHY THAT'S THE LOSS OF COUNTY FUNDING, AND I THINK THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER.

BUT, SO THAT WAS FROM THE FISCAL YEAR 23 TO THE FISCAL YEAR 24.

SO DURING 25 DURING THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS, SO EVEN MORE.

THE LIBRARY CAME BACK ASKING FOR SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, UM, THAN THAT 541 WHERE THEY HAD BEEN AT.

UM, SO

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UM, AND SO COUNSEL HAD APPROVED, UM, A HIGHER CONTRACT.

DIDN'T, JESSICA, DIDN'T WE AGREE ON DIDN'T THEY ASK FOR A 50? WE FUND 50% AND THAT'S, I THOUGHT WHAT WE AGREED TO AT THE TIME.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT WAS THE BASIS, THE BASIS FOR THE CHANGE.

YEAH, FOR THE CHANGE.

UH, BUT THE CONTRACTS ARE WRITTEN SO THAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE YEAR CONTRACTS THAT THERE WOULD JUST BE A CPI RELATED INFLATIONARY ESCALATOR, AND THEN EVERY THREE YEARS, IF WE'RE WAY OFF ON WHAT IS STILL 50%, I ASSUME THEY'LL COME BACK AND ASK FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? THIS MORE GRANTS, THE SERVICE CONTRACTS RATHER.

SO MOVING ON TO THE DEBT SERVICE.

SO, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR DEBT, THE OUTSTANDING BONDS.

UM, AS OF, UM, JULY 1ST, 2024 WILL BE 42 MILLION, 89,000.

UM, THE LARGEST PORTION OF THAT IS THE BONDS THAT WE HAD ISSUED FOR THE SEDONA IN MOTION PROJECT.

SO THAT'S, UM, 21.6 MILLION.

UM, THE LAND ACQUISITION WAS FOR THE CULTURAL PARK WHERE WE USED, UM, 10 MILLION, UM, IN BONDS, AND THEN THE 10 MILLION OF CASH.

UM, SO THAT'S 8.9 MILLION REMAINING.

THE WASTEWATER, THAT'S GOING TO BE PAID OFF VERY, VERY QUICKLY OF THE 8.5.

WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THAT.

UM, AND THE CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, SO THE 2.9, THIS WAS, UM, PROJECTS BEFORE MY TIME RELATED TO SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR 1 79 AND SOME DRAINAGE STUFF.

UM, SO, UM, THE MEASURE BY HOW WE DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE WITHIN OUR DEBT LIMITS IS BASED OFF OF THE COVERAGE OF OUR PLEDGED REVENUES, UM, ON THIS SCHEDULE.

SO WE'VE GOT WHAT THE, UH, AMOUNT OF THE GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE WASTEWATER FUNDS.

SO FISCAL YEAR 26 IS WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE PAID OFF WITH THE EXISTING BONDS, UM, FOR WASTEWATER, UM, TOTAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS, SO AT ABOUT 7.2 MILLION, THEN IT'LL DROP OFF IN, UM, FISCAL YEAR 27.

UM, AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, FUTURE BONDS FOR THE GARAGE OR ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE MAY DO.

UM, THE PLEDGED REVENUES, UM, SO AT ABOUT 42.8 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 PUTS US AT AN ESTIMATED COVERAGE OF 5.95.

THE BOND COVENANTS REQUIRE THAT WE'RE AT 1.5.

SO WE ARE WELL ABOVE, UM, WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS ON OUR DEBT LIMITS.

AND AFTER THE WASTEWATER BONDS ARE PAID OFF, THEN IT JUMPS UP TO 11.82.

SO WE'RE IN A VERY, VERY GOOD SPOT.

UM, AS FAR AS OUR COVERAGE, BRIAN, SHERRY, THE WHAT, WHAT ALL GOES INTO THE PLEDGED REVENUES FIGURE? UM, SO IT'S BASICALLY UNRESTRICTED MONIES IN THE GENERAL FUND.

, UM, SALES AND FED TAX.

UM, ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE CHARGE FEES FOR, THAT WE CHARGE LICENSE AND PERMIT AMOUNTS OUR FRANCHISE FEES.

AND I MIGHT BE FORGETTING OKAY.

THAT, THAT, THAT OFF TOP.

I DON'T, DON'T NEED THE WHOLE LIST.

THANK YOU THOUGH.

SO LIKE, LET'S SAY IT'S TWO YEARS FROM NOW, UM, WE'VE COMPLETED THE GARAGE.

WE NOW HAVE ANOTHER 20 MILLION OF BONDING OUT THERE FOR THAT, THE PLEDGED REVENUE FIGURES.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY SAID, HEY, IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WE WANT USER FEES TO PAY FOR IT.

SO THOSE ARE GONNA SHOW UP AS PART OF THE PLEDGED REVENUES THEN, SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING OUTTA WHACK, ESSENTIALLY WITH OUR COVERAGE RATIOS, RIGHT? WELL, NO.

SO OUR INTENDED PLAN OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING AS WHAT REVENUES ARE PLEDGED.

UM, BECAUSE WE GET FAR BETTER RATES WHEN WE PLEDGE OUR REVENUES THE WAY THAT WE ARE.

SO WASTEWATER IS PART OF, AND AS I SAID, IT'S GENERAL FUND UNRESTRICTED MONIES.

UM, IF WE WERE JUST SAYING WE WERE PLEDGING REVENUES GENERATED BY THE WASTEWATER FUND, WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THE RATES THAT WE DID ON THOSE.

SO, UM, SO WHAT THE INTENT WAS TO PROPOSE A SIMILAR TYPE, WHAT IT'S CALLED AN EXCISE TAX, UH, REVENUE BOND, UM, FOR, FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

BUT OUR INTENTION IS WE WOULD BE USING CERTAIN MONIES TO PAY FOR THE, THE PAID PARKING MONEY FROM THE GARAGE AND, UH, MAIN STREET TO PAY FOR THOSE COSTS.

NEW REVENUE WOULD BE THE GARAGE, RIGHT? THE NEW REVENUE FROM THE GARAGE, RIGHT.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS THE REVENUES FROM USER FEES, YOU'RE SAYING THEY WOULDN'T SHOW UP AS PART OF PLEDGED REVENUES, THEN THEY WOULD OKAY.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

THEY WOULD, BUT THE

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GOT, 'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE EIGHT STREET REVENUE IN HERE.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

ISN'T IT REALLY THAT FEES FROM THE GARAGE, SHOULD WE BE BOLD ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY DO IT WOULD BE FOR DEBT SERVICE PRIMARILY, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE USING THE FUNDING FROM THE GARAGE TO PAY NOT, I MEAN PLEDGE.

IT'S NOT RIGHT.

IT'S NOT REALLY IN THE PLEDGE REVENUE.

PLEDGE REVENUE IS THE TOTALITY OF WHAT WE NOT SEPARATED OUT.

AND UNCOMFORTABLE TO BE THIS MUCH IN DEBT WHEN WE WERE WORKING OUR WAY TOWARDS COMING OUT OF DEBT.

UM, SO HERE'S A LIST OF WHAT THE BONDS ARE THAT ARE OUTSTANDING.

UM, THAT, UM, SECOND SERIES 2015 BONDS.

SO THOSE, UM, ARE THE BONDS THAT REFUNDED PRIOR OLD BONDS THAT WERE THE ONES THAT I WAS SAYING WAS BEFORE MY TIME WHEN THERE WAS SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR 1 79 AND DRAINAGE.

SO THOSE WOULD BE PAID OFF IN 2027.

UM, AND IT IS A LOW RATE OF INTEREST.

UM, IT IS ELIGIBLE TO BE CALLED, UM, WITHOUT PREMIUM, BUT BECAUSE THE RATE IS SO LOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING DOING.

UM, THE SERIES 2021, UM, IS RELATED TO, UH, WASTEWATER.

UM, THOSE WOULD BE PAID OFF IN 26.

THERE IS A PREPAYMENT PENALTY ON THOSE.

SO THERE IS NO PLANS FOR, UM, PAYING THOSE OFF EARLY.

THE SERIES 2022 BONDS.

SO THOSE ARE THE ONES FOR THE SIM PROJECTS, UM, THAT WE HAD ISSUED.

UM, AT THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO CALL THOSE WOULD BE JULY 1ST, 2032 WITHOUT PREMIUM.

THE SECOND SERIES, 2022 IS RELATED TO THE BONDS FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE CULTURAL PARK.

THAT ONE IS CALLABLE ANY TIME WITH 30 DAYS NOTICE WITHOUT PREMIUM.

UM, THAT WAS KIND OF, BECAUSE IT WAS A PRIVATE PLACEMENT TYPE, UM, ISSUANCE, UM, THAT WE WERE, WE GOT THAT IN THERE.

THE REASON WHY WE DID THAT WAS BECAUSE, UM, THE PLANS FOR THE CULTURAL PARK AREN'T DONE IF IT COMES UP TO WHERE, UM, THE, UM, THEY WERE ISSUED AS NON-TAXABLE BONDS.

SO IT, AND WE PAID FOR 50% OF THE PURCHASE PRICE.

IF THE USAGE OF THE PARK CULTURAL, FORMER CULTURAL PARK LAND ENDS UP BEING, UM, MORE THAN 50% THAT WOULD'VE FALLEN INTO A TAXABLE CATEGORY, THEN WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, UM, PAY THESE OFF SO THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO ISSUES RELATED TO THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WHY WE BUILT IN THAT CALLABLE AMOUNT.

DO YOU FOLLOW THAT VICE MAYOR? I, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT.

WE SPENT ALL THIS TIME OF FISCAL RESPONSE, FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND WE WERE UNANIMOUS.

WE SHOULD PAY AS YOU GO.

AND WE'VE COMPLETELY, I SAID THIS YESTERDAY, BUT WE'VE COMPLETELY CHANGED THAT AND I'M REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT.

AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER $20 MILLION BOND FOR THE PARKING GARAGE.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE PUTTING, WE'RE, WE'RE INDEBTING OUR FUTURE, OUR FUTURE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

WHAT IF TOURISM COMES DOWN? WHAT I MEAN, LOOK INTO THE FUTURE.

WE AREN'T ALWAYS GONNA BE AS FLUSH POTENTIALLY AS WE ARE NOW REALLY CONCERNED.

AND I'M GONNA PROPOSE THIS, SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU A PREVIEW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SURPLUS, IS TO PAY DOWN SOME OF THESE THINGS AND EVEN PAY SOME TO, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THERE IS.

I LIKE LOVE THE IDEA OF P-S-P-R-S GET RID OF IT, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE.

BUT INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE SURPLUS TOWARD ADDITIONAL SPENDING, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SURPLUS BEING USED TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF DEBT.

AND THAT MIGHT NOT, IT CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT TAKE 1% MONEY AND PAY THAT DOWN.

BUT IF WE COULD, JUST LIKE WITH THE CULTURAL PARK, WE PAID FOR SOME OF IT AND WE INDEBTED A PORTION OF IT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US NOT IN HAVE THE ENTIRE GARAGE BECAUSE WE USED THE MONEY WHEN WE POSTPONED THE GARAGE INITIALLY, WE TOOK OUT THOSE BONDS TO PAY FOR THE GARAGE WHEN THAT WAS POSTPONED.

WE HAD A DEADLINE TO USE THE MONEY, WE HAD TO USE IT OR RETURN IT, AND WE WOULD, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA.

AND SO WE, WE USED IT FOR THINGS WE MAY NOT HAVE WANTED TO INCUR DEBT AROUND, BUT WE HAD TO USE THE MONEY AND NOW WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE WELL FOR ANOTHER $20 MILLION.

SO I AM, IT, IT IS MAKING ME VERY NERVOUS

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I GET WHY WE DID IT, BUT I THINK THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH WE HAVE TO STOP DOING IT AND START USING MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THINGS.

AND WE'VE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT AND ENERGY INTO CREATING RESERVES DURING THAT FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY WORK AND TO REALLY BE, UH, FINANCIALLY PRUDENT.

AND, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WE'VE GONE AWAY FROM THAT.

JESSICA, MAYBE ANNETTE, YOU WANNA WEIGH IN AFTER THE CONVERSATION OR OUR DEBT FINANCING VERSUS , BUT, WELL, LET'S, WELL, NOT .

WELL, I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT HOLLY'S SAYING ABOUT OVERBURDENING.

I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, UM, THE BONDS AND, AND WHAT THE COVERAGE IS, WE ARE DOING REALLY, REALLY WELL.

UM, I JUST, WHILE I AM, I AM SYMPATHETIC TO DISCUSSING USING THE SURPLUS TO PAY OFF SOME, IN NO WAY AM I INTERESTED IN GOING TO BE DEBT FREE.

I, I THINK THAT THEIR CIVILIZED SOCIETIES USE DEBT AND IT IS A, IT IS A GOOD INSTRUMENT IN A LAW, IN, IN CASES.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG.

IN FACT, I THINK IT'S A STRONG ARGUMENT THAT I SUPPORT THAT THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT, UH, GENERATION, UH, DEFERS DEBT TO THE FULL, THE FULL LIFE OF THE, THE OTHER USERS DOWN THE LINE WHO WILL BE BENEFITING AND PAYING FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS.

I THINK THERE IS A REAL PLACE FOR, FOR DEBT IN, IN CITY STRATEGY.

UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE GOING, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN GOING ONLY TO PAY AS YOU GO NOW WHEN WE ARE FLUSH, I DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF OUR REV, SOME OF OUR EXTRA REVENUE, UH, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, SURPLUS, UM, GO TO BE PAYING DOWN SOME OF THESE LARGER DEBTS WHERE IT'S AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO IT.

'CAUSE WE HAVE THE MONEY.

BUT I, I STILL WANT TO TALK, I DON'T WANNA SAY EVERYTHING HAS TO BE PAID AS YOU GO.

I DO BELIEVE I, A PORTION OF THE GARAGE PROBABLY SHOULD BE PAID FOR, BUT I, I STILL THINK A PORTION OF IT, IT'S SUITABLE FOR DEBT FINANCING.

SO I THINK NO.

DO YOU HAVE NO, YOU DIDN'T.

PETE, PETE.

AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE IF I CAN A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THE POINTS THAT YOU WERE MAKING.

VICE MAYOR SHERRY, DO YOU, WHEN WE HAD THIS FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY CONVERSATION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIMEFRAME THAT WAS.

HOW MANY YEARS AGO? UH, 20 19, 20 18, 19.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT OUR, OUR, UM, COVERAGE RATIO WAS AT DURING THAT CONVERSATION? I'M TRYING TO JUST SET THE TONE FOR WHAT, HOW MUCH DEBT DID WE HAVE AND WHAT WELL, WE HAD A LOT OF WASTEWATER DEBT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD DIFFERENT DEBT YEAH.

AT THAT TIME.

AND, UM, THE, WE WERE LOOKING AT 27 AS BEING REMOVING THAT HUGE AMOUNT OF WASTEWATER DEBT.

THE, I I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT EVERYTHING BE PAID FOR.

I DON'T THINK WE, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING OF THESE BIG PROJECTS.

SO I I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT.

WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THERE'S TOO MUCH THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.

WE HAVE SURPLUS.

RATHER THAN SPEND ALL THAT MONEY, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE WE DID WITH THE CULTURAL PARK WHERE WE DON'T HAVE DEBT FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM, THAT WE USE SURPLUS AND, UH, IN THAT WAY.

SO BECAUSE IT JUST GOES UP AND UP AND UP AND NEXT YEAR THERE'LL BE ANOTHER GREAT IDEA AND ANOTHER BIG PROJECT AND WE'LL GO MORE.

AND IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT THE COVERAGE.

YES, WE'RE FINE WITHIN THE COVERAGE, BUT IT'S ABOUT BURDENING THE FUTURE.

IT'S ABOUT SPENDING MONEY.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT ABOUT, AND CERTAINLY IN WASTEWATER IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE WHERE YOU'RE HAVING PEOPLE, YOU WHO USE THE SYSTEM OVER A PERIOD OF TIME PAY FOR THAT SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO EXIST TODAY.

BUT IF WE, HOW ARE WE, DO WE RUN GOVERNMENT? WE'RE WE'RE NOW ALMOST $40 MILLION IN OPERATING, RIGHT? REGULAR OPERATING EXPENSES.

WE HAVE $7 MILLION OF DEBT PAYMENT.

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THAT GOES AWAY IN 2027.

BUT MORE DEBT WILL INCREASE IT.

SO LET'S SAY WE HAVE $7 MILLION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.

'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'LL, IT'S FOUR BASICALLY IN 27 AND WE ADD ANOTHER 20 MILLION OR MAYBE IT GOES BACK UP TO FIVE SIX.

WE ADD THAT AND REVENUES GO DOWN.

I MEAN, HOW DO WE FUND THE GOVERNMENT? WE'RE WE'RE JUST TOO MUCH TOO CLOSE TO THE EDGE IN, IN OUR DEPENDENCY ON TOURISM, WHICH IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

YEAH, YEAH.

AND IT'S OUR ONLY SOURCE OF REVENUE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH.

YOU'RE GONNA GET A SYMPATHETIC EAR FOR ME FOR A FISCAL CONSERVATISM AS WELL.

AND I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE WHERE THEY ARE.

PAST COUNCILS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF AND, AND SHERRY AND CITY MANAGEMENT OF PUTTING US IN A GOOD SPACE.

AND, AND I WILL AGREE WITH JESSICA ON A SIDE TOO.

THERE IS ROOM, THERE IS A ROLE FOR DEBT IN SOME PROJECTS.

BUT YEAH, UM, YOU'LL GET A SYMPATHETIC EAR FROM ME ON, ON RESTRAINING SPENDING, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST TO SPEND, BECAUSE WE GOT THE MONEY AND THAT.

DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? JUST OH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I AM SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR NEXT WEEK.

AND, UM, SO IN MY MIND IT'S ALL PART OF A BIGGER, UM, YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT STRATEGY AS WELL BECAUSE ALL OF THIS CASH IS EARNING INCOME WHILE WE ARE NOT SPENDING IT.

UM, SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THOSE TRADE OFFS BETWEEN PAYING OFF SOMETHING AT A PARTICULAR INTEREST RATE VERSUS HOW MUCH WE'RE EARNING FROM OUR INVESTMENT STRATEGIES WITH THAT CASH AND KIND OF BALANCING ALL OF THAT OUT.

SO I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT, UM, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO GO FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LARGE LIKE THE PARKING GARAGE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, UM, SPLITTING UP HOW WE FINANCE THAT WITH CURRENT ASSETS VERSUS TAKING ON MORE LONG-TERM DEBT.

SO, UM, HAPPY TO DO THAT AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK INTERNALLY.

THANK YOU, ANNETTE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD A A POINT, 'CAUSE ON THE SERIES 22 BONDS, THE INTEREST PAYMENTS ON THE BONDS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING RANGE FROM 4% TO 5%.

BUT WE ISSUED THOSE BONDS AT A VERY SIGNIFICANT PREMIUM.

SO WE GOT, UM, OVER AND ABOVE THE 21 MILLION, WE GOT A TOTAL OF 25 MILLION.

SO THE EFFECTIVE INTEREST RATE ON INCLUDING THAT PREMIUM IN THERE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WAS ABOUT 2.3%.

SO IT WAS PRETTY CHEAP MONEY.

UH, BRIAN, YOU WENT TO WEIGH IN AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

THANKS MAYOR.

UH, I MEAN THE, THE VICE MAYOR'S COMMENTS, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING YESTERDAY THAT WE LOOK AT USING SURPLUS TO PAY OFF P-S-P-R-S 'CAUSE THAT'S THE HIGHEST, UH, EFFECTIVE INTEREST RATE DEBT THAT WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ANY GOOD CORPORATE FINANCE THEORY CLASS IS GONNA TEACH YOU, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON HIGHEST RATES OF DEBT AND PAY THOSE OFF FIRST AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT PENALTIES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

BUT AS IT PERTAINS TO LIKE THE GARAGE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA MATCH UP A NEW SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE DEBT SERVICE, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ALL DAY LONG.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I REQUIRED IN ORDER TO BE SUPPORTIVE TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN WE GAVE STAFF DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD, WAS THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA ACTUALLY NET BURDEN THE CITY WITH DEBT BECAUSE IT WOULD MATCH WITH A NEW REVENUE SOURCE.

SO AGAIN, FROM A CORPORATE FINANCE THEORY STANDPOINT, ANYTIME YOU CAN MATCH UP DEBT WITH AN A REVENUE SOURCE TO COVER IT, I MEAN THAT, THAT, THAT'S SMART FINANCIAL STRATEGY.

TO BE ABLE TO FIT WITHIN THE ESTIMATES WE PROVIDED THEM OF WHAT THE REVENUE WOULD BE.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE TO MAKE THE GARAGE FREE.

YOU KNOW, THIS, FREE FOR RESIDENTS CHARGE TOURISTS.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND WE SOMETIMES BUCKLE UNDER THAT PRESSURE.

NOT SAYING WE WILL, BUT WE HAVE IN THE PAST DONE THINGS LIKE THAT , THE, AND ALSO THE COST OF THE GARAGE IS A LOT MORE POTENTIALLY.

WE SAW SOME NUMBERS YESTERDAY THAN WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

I'M NOT CONFIDENT THAT THAT WHAT YOU SAID IS IN FACT GOING TO BE TRUE.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS TODAY.

AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE FINAL NUMBERS, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW AT THIS POINT.

SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE BE PRUDENT.

IT, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN WORKING WITH OUR, OUR BOND ADVISOR, THEY'RE WORKING ON STRUCTURING THE BOND PAYMENTS

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COOL.

ASSUMING WE MAINTAIN OUR CORRECT.

SO, UM, HERE'S A LIST OF THE OUTSTANDING FINANCE PURCHASES.

UM, AND, UM, SO A LOT OF THESE HAVE NO PREPAYMENT PENALTY.

UM, THERE ARE A FEW THAT DO, AND THEY WERE AT VERY LOW, UM, INTEREST RATES DURING THAT PERIOD IN TIME, UM, ON THE OUTSTANDING LEASES.

SO THE REALLY BIG ONE HERE ON THE LEASES IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SITE.

UM, THE, UM, LEASE GOES THROUGH FISCAL YEAR, UM, 2041.

HOWEVER, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A LEGAL RESTRICTION ON WHEN THEY CAN SELL THE LAND AND IT CAN BE SOLD, UM, JULY OF 2029.

AND OUR ASSUMPTION HAS BEEN, THERE'S VERY STRONG LIKELIHOOD THAT WHOEVER'S ON COUNCIL AT THAT POINT IN TIME WOULD WANT TO MAKE THAT PURCHASE.

AND SO WE, WE EVEN HAVE IT BUILT INTO THE CIP PLAN THAT WAY.

SO, UM, SO THIS LEASE AMOUNT, BASED OFF OF THE WAY THE NEW ACCOUNTING RULES REQUIRE US TO ACCOUNT FOR LEASES WOULD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THAT WOULD GO AWAY.

ON CONTINGENCIES.

SO, UM, YES.

ON THE, ON THE FLEET VEHICLES YES.

THE INTEREST RATE, THAT IS SUCH A HUGE SPAN OF 4.7 TO 11.86.

HOW, HOW, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING, I MEAN, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING THAT FLUCTUATES SO MUCH.

SO I MEAN THAT'S GOT A FAIRLY SMALL REMAINING PRINCIPLE REMAINING INTEREST BASED ON SURPLUSES THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT.

IS THAT SOMETHING, WHEN WE GET TO THAT DISCUSSION, IS THIS ONE PARTICULAR AREA THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN? Y YEAH, SO, UM, IT'S REALLY SOME OF, UM, WHEN THE INTEREST RATES WENT UP AND THEN WHAT WE ENDED UP GETTING, UM, WAS HIGHER RATES THAN WHAT WE HAD EXPECTED.

UM, THOSE HAVE COME DOWN SOME, BUT THE REALLY LOW RATES WERE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROGRAM AND THOSE FIRST VEHICLES THAT WE HAD GOTTEN.

UM, AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT, UM, WE HAVE THE A SU STUDENT WHO'S ANALYZING THIS PROJECT, UM, IS LOOKING AT, THAT WAS A LONG ANSWER, .

SO IS THIS ONE WHERE YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE BE LOOKING AT TO PAY? UM, POTENTIALLY.

I I, I NOTICED EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

IT'S $381,000.

AND THEN BOOM, IT GOES AWAY.

RIGHT? IT'S SAVING 62,000.

AND INTERESTING.

BUT JUST SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO FLUCTUATING IT MUST, IT'S HARD TO EVEN ACCOUNT FOR MM-HMM.

AND INTEREST RATES HAVE COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT WHAT, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT OUR CURRENT INTEREST RATE IS OR IT'S DIFFERENT RATES DEPENDING ON THE VEHICLES? YEAH, IT VARIES, UH, DEPENDING UPON THE VEHICLE.

SO, UM, BUT AL ALSO, I MEAN PART OF IT IS DO WE WANNA CONTINUE WITH ENTERPRISE OR NOT? MM-HMM.

SO THEY DO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT HELPS US OUT.

DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE IT, IS IT WORTHWHILE OR NOT? AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S BEING ANALYZED.

SO WE PAY IT OFF, THE SERVICE CONTRACT GOES AWAY.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT OF, LIKE ARE THEY GONNA BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US IF WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY LEASING THE VEHICLES THROUGH THAT? PROBABLY NOT, BUT SO WE DON'T KNOW.

WE DON'T KNOW.

THEY MAY HAVE A PLAN YOU COULD PURCHASE SEPARATELY OR SOMETHING.

LET'S DO THAT LATER.

SO WE JUST HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T HAD THE ABILITY TO LOOK INTO THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO ON THE, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE.

ONE MORE.

UM, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THE ABILITY TO LOOK INTO THAT, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS LATER TODAY ABOUT WHERE WE WANNA DIRECT SOME OF THE SURPLUSES, RIGHT? OR DOES THAT COME YES.

AND IT'S, SO HOW WOULD WE FACTOR THAT IN THAT LACK OF INFORMATION? UM, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ONCE, ONCE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM THE STUDENT WHO'S DOING THE, THE ANALYTICS ON THIS, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, UM, IN BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE THAT ARE AT LOW RATES, SO MAYBE YOU DON'T JUST SAY, OH, EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE, LET'S JUST PAY 'EM ALL OFF BECAUSE SOME OF THESE VEHICLES ARE AT LOW RATES.

I KNOW I TALKED WITH, HOLD ON, MAYBE KAREN OR SOMEBODY ABOUT THE LEASING FOR POLICE CARS.

AND I THINK, UM, AND IT WAS ANDY AS WELL, WE TALKED, DOES THAT PAY ANY MORE? WAS THAT A SU OR OR NAU STUDENT GOING TO HELP WITH THAT INFORMATION AND WE'LL, WE'LL WILL GET THAT.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE ENTERPRISE VEHICLES.

WELL, AND SO FOR POLICE, IT'S ONLY THE ADMIN VEHICLES.

THE POLICE VEHICLES CONTINUE OR JUST BUY THEM OUTRIGHT? AND THEN WHO WOULD WE DO FOR, UH, FOR SERVICE? WHO, IF WE DID THAT? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY, WE DON'T HAVE AN ON STAFF MECHANIC.

BUT DOES IT PAY TO, DO

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SO WE, THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE PROGRAM, WE GET DISCOUNTED PRICING ON MAINTENANCE ITEMS THAT, THAT ARE PASSED THROUGH.

UM, THROUGH, BUT YOU JUST SAID POLICE IS NOT ENTERPRISE THE, THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES.

BUT WE CAN USE THEIR CONTRACTED PRICING ON THE PATROL VEHICLES AS A PASS THROUGH.

AND ARE WE YES.

'CAUSE IT IS, UH, THE TIRE PLACED ACROSS THE STREET.

IS THAT ONE OF ENTERPRISES? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA GO THAT DEEP.

I, I BELIEVE IT'S ON THEIR LIST.

BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I MEAN IT, DOES IT PAY TO LEASE ANY, ANY LONGER OR DOES IT AND THEN WE JUST PAY THEM OFF AFTER WITH A TWO YEAR LEASE, UM, PD FOR PATROL, PATROL PATROL VEHICLES, THEY'RE TYPICALLY, UM, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS DEPENDING UPON WHICH, WHICH LEASE IT WAS.

SO, AND IT'S, IT'S THESE FINANCE PURCHASES THAT ARE THE ONES, UM, ON SLIDE 85, UM, THAT ARE THE PATROL VEHICLES AND MR. MAYOR, YOU CAN FIND LIKE THE BREAKOUT DETAIL.

I FOUND IT ON PAGE GS 22, UM, SHOWS THE DETAIL OF THE POLICE VEHICLE FINANCING.

UM, AND AS YOU FLIP FORWARD PAST THAT, YOU CAN FIND THE ENTERPRISE BREAKOUTS ALL THAT IN A LOT MORE DETAIL.

WHAT'S THE PAGE 20? SO 22 IS JUST THE VEHICLES FROM FISCAL YEAR 24.

THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE THE POLICE VEHICLES IN THERE.

I WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS THE BREAKOUT THAT, UM, TAG, SO THERE'S NUMBERS.

SO THERE'S THE, THE ONES THAT WE DID THE FINANCE PURCHASE ON BACK IN FISCAL YEAR 21.

THERE'S THE LAST PAYMENT IN FISCAL YEAR 25, UM, FISCAL YEAR 22.

UM, SO THERE'S A COUPLE MORE YEARS ON THOSE.

UM, AND THEN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 VEHICLES.

I JUST DON'T KNOW, JUST FOR PD AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE BEING, UH, CONTRACT, WHICH CERTAINLY LEASING, I DUNNO IF IT PAYS OR NOT.

I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF IT PAYS TO, UH, CONTINUE TO LEASE.

SO, UM, OKAY.

SO, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY A LEASE AS IN YOU LEASE IT AND YOU TURN IT IN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

LEASING TO BUY? EXACTLY.

IT'S A FINANCE PURCHASE IS WHAT THE NEW TERMINOLOGY IS.

SO IT'S BASICALLY KIND OF LIKE YOU JUST WENT AND GOT A LOAN ON IT AND PAYING OFF YOUR LOAN ON YOUR, OKAY.

SO WE PAY THE LOAN AND THEN WE KEEP 'EM.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SUCH OLDER CARS OFF TO THE SIDE OFF IN UA BECAUSE WE OWN THEM, NOT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PAYING ANYTHING ON US AS FAR AS A LEASE.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE SEIZED VEHICLES, THE PAINT BOYS VEHICLES? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MOCKED, THE MOCK, THE MARKED ONES.

THE MOCKED, UH, EXPLORERS.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH, PLEASE.

YOU DO AN ANALYSIS ON A REGULAR BASIS OF WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE TO OWNER LEASE ALL THE VEHICLES? CORRECT.

SO THEY MAKE THAT, THEY, THEY MAKE THAT DECISION.

THEY DO THE REVIEW ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S WHAT I ASSUMED.

AND IF IT MADE MORE SENSE TO OWN THEM, YOU WOULD SWITCH AND DO SOMETHING ELSE, I'M ASSUMING.

MOVING ON TO THE CONTINGENCIES.

UM, SO WE HAVE GENERAL OPERATING CONTINGENCY FOR JUST WHATEVER MAY COME UP, UM, IN THE GENERAL FUND, 200,000 IN THE WASTEWATER FUND, A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

SO, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN OCCASIONS WHERE WE HAVE COME TO COUNCIL AND SAID WE WANNA USE THEM AS CONTINGENCY.

IT DOESN'T HAPPEN SUPER OFTEN, BUT, UH, I THINK THE LAST ONE WAS THE STORMY BAY, UM, SCULPTURE PURCHASE, UM, IN THE HOUSING FUND.

SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE, UH, DONE HISTORICALLY IS WHATEVER BALANCE WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN THE HOUSING FUND THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY BUDGETED INTO A LINE ITEM, JUST SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE FULL CAPACITY TO SPEND WHATEVER THERE IS.

SO IT'S ONLY $57,000.

UM, THE HOUSING FUND, UM, THAT WOULD BE REMAINING AND AVAILABLE, UM, BEYOND WHAT WAS BUDGETED THAT WE PUT IN CONTINGENCY.

UM, EACH YEAR WE PUT HALF MILLION FOR ANY GRANTS, UM, OR, OR SIGNIFICANT DONATIONS THAT COME UP DURING THE YEAR THAT WE, UM, WERE UNABLE TO PREDICT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT COVERAGE.

AND THEN FOR, UM, JUDGMENTS, IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS OUR PREVIOUS, UM, CITY ATTORNEY ASKED THAT WE SET ASIDE A CONTINGENCY FOR JUST IN CASE OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR JUDGMENTS.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO FINANCIAL SERVICES, WE'LL GO TO LUNCH, BREAK FOR LUNCH AND TAKE A HALF HOUR LOOK 'CAUSE LUNCH IS HERE, FOOD'S HERE.

HOW LONG IS FINANCIAL SERVICES GONNA TAKE? YEAH, CAN WE GO A LITTLE FURTHER? IT'S NOT VERY LONG.

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OKAY, SURE.

I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT LONG.

OKAY, THEN GO FOR IT.

SO FOR FINANCE, UM, THE FISCAL YEAR 24, DIRECT COST BUDGET ABOUT 1.7 FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, GOING TO ABOUT 1.9.

UM, THE CHANGE OVERALL, 9%, THE ONGOING PORTION, 10% BIGGEST, UM, ADJUSTMENT IS REALLY JUST THE RELATED TO WAGES AND BENEFIT ADJUSTMENTS.

UM, WE DID THROW IN, SO, UM, COUNSEL DID APPROVE AN INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT CONTRACT WITH PFM ASSET MANAGEMENT.

UM, AND IT'S BASED OFF OF BASIS POINTS.

AND, UM, WE JUST ESTIMATED LIKE THAT AS THE PORTFOLIO GROWS, THAT MAYBE THOSE FEES WOULD GO UP AND WE JUST THREW IN AN EXTRA 20,000 ON THAT.

UM, THE ONE TIME COSTS WITHIN FINANCE ABOUT 95,000, UM, PART OF THE REQUEST, WHEN WE ASKED FOR THE INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT SERVICES, WE ALSO ASKED FOR PFMS, UM, ASSISTANCE WITH A BANKING SERVICES RFP, THE CONSULTING SERVICES FOR THAT.

UM, WE HAVE NOT EMBARKED ON THAT.

THE, THE PLAN WAS THAT WE WOULD AS BEST AS WE COULD TIME WITH THE ERP SYSTEM SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES TWICE.

UM, SO CARRYING FORWARD THAT 40,000, UM, THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDY CARRYING FORWARD THAT 30,000 TO FINISH UP WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE FINISHED UP THERE.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE DUE FOR THE, UM, BIENNIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE AUDIT.

SO THAT'S EVERY TWO YEARS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT AUDIT DONE.

ANY QUESTIONS? UM, THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YOU SAID THAT THE, THE, I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDY WAS A CARRYOVER.

IS THAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT YOU SAID FOR WHATEVER WAS REMAINING? RIGHT.

SO DID WE STARTED THAT.

SO YEAH, WE STARTED THAT QUITE SOME TIME AGO.

WE GOT TO A POINT KIND OF GOT PUT ON HOLD WITH ALL THE COVID STUFF AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED AND THEN WE NEVER REALLY, SO IT'S THE SAME ONE THAT WAS FROM YES.

MONEY YEARS AGO.

UM, BECAUSE OF, UH, THE DISCUSSIONS WITH BRINGING THAT IN-HOUSE EVENTUALLY ELIMINATING THE CONTRACT, REDUCING IT INITIALLY, UM, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO DO THE ADDITIONAL ANALYTICS.

UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A DECISION PACKAGE FOR A SENIOR TAX AUDITOR POSITION.

IT WAS REALLY GOING TO, UH, BE CONSIDERED TO BE KIND OF A DUAL PURPOSE POSITION, UM, DOING, UM, SALES TAX AUDITS AND, UM, REDUCING THE CONTRACT WITH OUR CONTRACTED SALES TAX AUDITOR.

UM, WE WERE THINKING WE WOULD RETAIN SOME PORTION OF THAT CONTRACT AS, UM, A RESOURCE, UM, FOR THE POSITION.

UM, IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY THAT IS ALREADY VERY EXPERIENCED IN SALES TAX AUDITS, MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T NEED THAT.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF IT WAS TO, UM, DO ALL THE VARIOUS ANALYTICS THAT WE GET REQUESTED TO DO ON SALES TAX ALL THE TIME THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY SAYING WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY MANUAL PROCESS THE WAY THAT WE HAVE THE DATA.

UM, AND SO THERE'S BEEN SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THERE'S BEEN REQUESTS TO, TO LOOK AT LIKE, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS.

UM, I KNOW KURT DID REACH OUT TO ADO R UM, TO SEE IF WE COULD HAVE A PHONE CALL ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THE ONLINE, UM, UH, MARKETPLACE.

AND I DON'T THINK THEY EVER RESPONDED, WHICH TO ME MY INTERPRETATION IS THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT WARRANTS A CONVERSATION AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DEAL WITH US, UM, ON THAT.

UM, SO, UM, BUT EVEN TRYING TO COME UP WITH ANYTHING ON IT, IS IT GONNA BE A VERY MANUAL PROCESS AND INVOLVING A LOT OF RESEARCH WE'VE HAD, UM, REQUESTS TO LOOK AT LIKE DIFFERENT COMPARING, UM, ONE PART OF TOWN LIKE WEST SEDONA COMPARED TO UPTOWN.

WE'VE HAD REQUESTS FOR THINGS LIKE LOOKING AT, UM, GALLERY SPECIFICALLY.

UM, WE GET REQUESTS ALL, ALL THE TIME.

AND SO, UM, THINKING THAT IF WE HAD A POSITION THAT WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE SALES TAX INFORMATION AND WE WERE DOING THE AUDITS OURSELVES IN HOUSE, UM, THAT THIS POSITION COULD SERVE THAT, THAT DUAL PURPOSE.

UM, KAREN, UM, SAID NOT AT THIS TIME, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, UM, WE HAVE HAD WITH THE FIRM THAT WE CONTRACT WITH, UM, FOR OUR SALES TAX, UM, UM, AUDITS THAT THE, UM, OWNER OF THE BUSINESS IS RETIRING AND PASSING IT ON TO SOMEONE ELSE.

UM, AND SO WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

THE FIRST EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAD WASN'T REALLY ALL THAT GREAT, BUT SOMETIMES WHEN SOMEBODY'S BEING AUDITED, UM, AND THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE BEING AUDITED AND WILL GENERATE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, WHICH WE FELT LIKE WAS PROBABLY MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHY WE WERE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH THAT.

WHY DID THE, UH, CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP RECOMMEND IT?

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IS THERE A COST SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? THIS IS THE INCREMENTAL COST INCREASE.

OH, INCREMENTAL COST.

ANYTHING NEXT? OKAY, THAT'S IT FOR FINANCE.

UM, NO CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

WE'RE GONNA DO HOUSING REAL QUICK AND THEN TAKE LUNCH REAL QUICK.

WELL, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH.

SO, UM, SHANNON, MY COMPUTER JUST DIED AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA TAKE LUNCH HERE.

CITY ATTORNEY'S GONNA BE A LOT OF STUFF HERE.

TONS OF PAGES FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY CLERKS.

THAT'S YEAH.

CITY CLERK TOO, RIGHT? SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST THE BIG HARD DECISIONS.

BUCKLE.

HI SHANNON.

GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD MORNING.

STILL GOOD NO TIME.

MARIN COUNCIL , UM, FOR HOUSING, UH, THE FISCAL YEAR 24 DIRECT COST ABOUT 1.2 MILLION AND STILL ABOUT 1.2 GOING DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.

UM, THE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, RELATED TO WAGES AND BENEFITS AND THEN DECREASE IN ONETIME COSTS.

THE CHANGE OVERALL, 6% DECREASE ONGOING, GOING UP 3% IN THE ONETIME COST FOR 25 TOTAL OF 772,000.

UM, THAT INCLUDES THE CDBG GRANT FOR THE STEPS TO RECOVERY, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING OF 406,000 AND, UM, THE OPERATING COST FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

UM, THAT WOULD BE FUNDED BY THE GRANT THROUGH 80 DOH OF 366.

SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S KIND OF PENDING RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET IN YOUR NUMBERS NOW.

UM, I ALSO INCLUDED, UM, 'CAUSE HOUSING FUND IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, WITH THE BALANCE SHEET LOANS THAT WE HAVE.

UM, SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, UM, THE BALANCES THAT WE'RE ESTIMATING, UM, UH, IN, IN THE, THAT FUND.

SO WE HAVE LOANS MADE TO DATE.

SO, SO FAR TO DATE WE HAVE LOANED, UM, UH, 1.9 MILLION FOR SUNSET LOFTS AND A DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE FUND OF 116,000.

UM, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET FOR RESERVE FOR ADDITIONAL LOANS, SO SUNSET LOFTS, UM, 4.2 MILLION, UM, WE HAD ADDED, UM, SO THE WHAT'S AUTHORIZED IS A TOTAL OF 4.2, BUT WE HAD ADDED, UM, A PLACEHOLDER IN THE BUDGET FOR AN ADDITIONAL 2 MILLION BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS WORK.

UM, IT'S A PLACEHOLDER UNTIL COUNCIL DECIDES.

UM, AND UNTIL THEY EVEN BRING A REQUEST, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT A REQUEST YET.

I WAS JUST IN CONVERSATIONS.

IT'S COMING, COMING SOON.

IT'S MORE.

UM, THE, UM, SHELBY DRIVE PROJECT.

SO WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET, UM, IS BASED OFF OF WHAT WAS AUTHORIZED BY COUNCIL OF 2.25 MILLION, UM, THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

SO WHAT WAS BUDGET WAS A TOTAL OF 400,000.

UM, AS, AS THE INITIAL AMOUNT, UM, AS I SAID 116 OF IT HAS BEEN LOANED SO FAR.

THAT LEAVES 283,000 NOT YET LOANED.

AND THEN OF THE 12 MILLION THAT COUNCIL APPROVED FOR FUTURE LOANS IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, UM, THERE REMAINS THE, THE 10,050,000 BECAUSE WE USED A PORTION OF THAT, UM, TO COVER, UM, THE INCREASE FOR THE SHELBY DRIVE PROJECT.

BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, SHANNON, OUT OF THE 1.9 MILLION ALREADY LOAN TO SUNSET LOFTS, WHAT, WHAT DID WE GET FOR THAT OR HOW HAS THAT BEEN USED AT THIS POINT? SO IT'S BEEN USED FOR PRE-DEVELOPMENT, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES, UM, AND THE LAND AND BUYING THE LAND, 1.622 MILLION FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND COUNSEL CAN DECIDE IF WE CAN MEET THAT ASK OR NOT.

WHICH IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DEEDED BACK TO THE CITY IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.

'CAUSE THEY MISSED THEIR DEVELOPMENT DEADLINES AND THEIR LAST DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THE CLO THE CLOSING DATE SET FOR APRIL 24TH.

AND WHEN ARE WE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS? ASK FOR THE ADDITIONAL TWO.

IS THAT RIGHT NOW, THIS MOMENT OR, UM, THAT WAS JUST A PLACEHOLDER.

THE ASK IS CURRENTLY LARGER THAN THAT.

UM, EXPECTING TO BRING THAT BACK IN MAY

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IF NOT, THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, TAKING THE PLANS AS WELL AND TRYING TO PUT THE PROJECT OUT TO BID.

ALTHOUGH, FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK ANYONE COULD BUILD IT CHEAPER.

AND SINCE WE'RE ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE, THERE'S REALLY NOT A, UH, DECISION TODAY.

NOT TODAY REGARDING THAT.

VICE MAYOR, CAN YOU, UH, UH, BACK ON THE PRIOR PAGE, CAN YOU TELL US, UH, HOW STEPS TO RECOVERY IS DOING? DID THEY GET, DID THEY PUT IN THE, UH, LOOK AT THAT FACE? ? THEY PUT IN THE, OUR, UH, PROPOSAL AND DID, WERE THEY ACCEPTED.

SO THEY'VE APPLIED FOR TWO OTHER GRANTS TO TRY TO KIND OF FULLY FUND A PROJECT AND HAVE NOT BEEN AWARDED EITHER OF THOSE.

UM, AS A RESULT, NEITHER OF THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY HAD KIND OF UNDER CONTRACT, UM, WERE THEY ABLE TO GET, SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF SEARCHING FOR ANOTHER PROPERTY AND THEN WE'LL BE APPLYING FOR THE OPEN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, UM, THIS YEAR WITH THEM.

SO WE'LL BE APPLYING WITH THEM, WELL THEY WILL BE APPLYING, BUT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THEM TO, TO SUPPORT THAT.

SO WHEN, SO THEY DID RECEIVE THE CBDG GRANT? UM, WE AWARDED THEM OUR CBDG GRANT? YES.

AND WHERE'S THAT MONEY? IT, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING STILL HAS IT.

IT'S BEING CARRIED OVER.

AND HOW LONG DO THEY HAVE TO USE IT? UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM UNDER CONTRACT FOR A PROPERTY BY OCTOBER, I BELIEVE.

OH, SO THAT MIGHT BE IFFY.

I HOPE NOT.

I I THINK WE'RE WELL WHAT HAPPENS IF I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THERE? YOU DO.

IF NOT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE SOMETHING PICKED OUT AND THEY'RE DILIGENTLY MOVING FORWARD ON IT, THEN WE WILL REALLOCATE OUR CDBG TO SOMEONE WHO CAN USE IT ON TIME.

WASN'T THIS A REALLOCATION FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S IN THE FIRST PLACE? NO.

SO IF WE HAD TO REALLOCATE IT, WOULD, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO EXTEND THE GRANT PAST OCTOBER 1ST? NO, IT, IT HAS TO BE UNDER CONTRACT BY OCTOBER.

SO WHAT'S YOUR DROP DEAD DATE FOR THEM? YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE SHOULD THAT BE REQUIRED? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A DROP DEAD DATE, BUT I DID TELL THEM WE HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING BY THE END OF JUNE, SO.

AH, OKAY.

ANY, NOTHING ELSE FROM HERE? UM, I, WAIT A MINUTE, JESSICA.

I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, UM, ON THAT BALANCE OF THE 10 MILLION, SO, UM, IT MADE ME A LITTLE NERVOUS IN ONE OF OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM MEETINGS WHEN SHANNON WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECTS OF HOW MUCH MONEY, UM, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO TAKE IN ORDER TO FUND THOSE.

'CAUSE SHE WAS SAYING A LOT OF THEM ARE LOOKING AT GAPS OF LIKE $5 MILLION.

SO, SO THAT'S BASICALLY TWO PROJECTS.

SO FIVE TO 8 MILLION.

I HAVE A LIST OF ABOUT 10 PROJECTS AND NONE OF THEM HAS A GAP SMALLER THAN 2 MILLION.

IF INTEREST RATES COME DOWN, THAT WILL IMPROVE.

BUT IF WE WANNA BUILD SOMETHING QUICKLY AND IF WE WANNA NOT SIT ON THIS $12 MILLION, I DO HAVE A, UM, A MEANS OF ALLOCATING IT KIND OF TO THE TOP FIVE PROJECTS.

AND THOSE FIVE INCLUDE GOOD ROW, WHICH DOESN'T NEED ANY FUNDING.

SO REALLY FOUR PROJECTS.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KURT.

UM, GIVEN THE GIFT CLAUSE, CAN WE INCENT, CAN WE PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR SMALLER PROJECTS FOR PEOPLE FOR, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? MM-HMM.

, I THINK THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO EXPLORE THAT.

UH, AFFORDABILITY FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD 75 YEARS OR, OR EVEN LONGER IN SOME CASES.

SO THE GIFT CLAUSE IN GENERAL, WE CAN'T GIFT MONEY TO A CORPORATION THAT THE CORPORATION'S JUST GOING TO BE USING IT.

BUT WHEN IT'S, UH, USED FOR, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS OR OTHER PROPERTY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WAY, UH, HOMELESS SHELTERS, PUBLIC HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN THERE'S MORE ROOM THERE FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

AND WE CAN LOOK INTO WHAT TYPE OF INCENTIVE PROGRAM WE COULD LOOK INTO.

SO LET'S SAY SOMEBODY SAYS, I WANT, UH, I WOULD BE WILLING TO, UH, BUILD A, I HAVE A LARGE PROPERTY, I'D BE WILLING TO BUILD A SMALL TINY HOME OR A A DU AND I WOULD DEED RESTRICT IT IF YOU WOULD GIVE ME SOME MONEY TOWARDS THAT.

IS THAT LEGAL POSSIBLE? I THINK SO.

I MEAN THAT'S, WE'RE WE'RE DOING THIS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY DOING WITH SUNSET LOFTS, UM, SHELBY CULTURAL PARK, UH, THE CITY'S FRONTING THE, THE LAND.

SO IT'S PAYING A, A GOOD PORTION OF IT, UM, RETAINING, UH, OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN IT AND THEN RE REQUIRING,

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AND SO WE COULD DO A, SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT IT WOULD MORE SIMILARLY RESEMBLE THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD AN A DU.

SO, AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY, SO LET'S SAY THEY SAY, I, I'M WILLING TO RESTRICT, BUT I NEED SOME MONEY TO HELP ME TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT I WOULD THEN DEED RESTRICT AND IT'S TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO AN INDIVIDUAL.

AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IN ANY TYPE OF, IT WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEN, UH, IT'D HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL OR PERHAPS COUNSEL COULD APPROVE THE WHOLE, WHOLE PROGRAM.

AND THEN THERE COULD BE CERTAIN CAPS, UM, AND THEN THERE'D JUST BE LANGUAGE IN THERE TO PROTECT THE CITY IN CASE, UM, A COURT OR SOMEONE DECIDED IT WAS, WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE ARIZONA GIFT CLAUSE.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD PURSUE AS A PROGRAM? YEAH, I'M JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE A DU DO STUFF IN THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW.

SO, UH, JESSICA'S FIRST OKAY, JESSICA, SO IN THE INCENTIVE WE GIVE, WOULD THERE BE ANY RECAPTURE OF THAT MONEY OR WOULD THAT BE, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO SORT OF UNDERTAKE.

SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A DISCUSSION IN THE PROGRAM, BUT THAT'D BE A POSSIBILITY.

WELL, I'M, I'M ASKING WHETHER LEGALLY GIVEN THE DI G CLIFF CLAUSE, WE CAN GIVE MONEY TO ASSIST IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF RIDDLE HOUSING.

WE GIVE IT TO A PRIVATE PERSON AND WE DON'T RECOUP IT.

SO THAT'S, I MEAN, ALREADY THE, WHAT THE CITY'S BEEN DOING IN OTHER, IN OTHER PROGRAMS. OKAY.

SO WE CAN DO THAT.

SO THERE'S NOT, IT'S NOT WITHOUT RISK, BUT YES, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND THERE'D BE WAYS TO STRUCTURE IT PERHAPS TO MINIMIZE THE RISK.

WE COULD PAY SEWER FEE.

THANK YOU MAYOR SHANNON FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK GRANT THROUGH EIGHT.

OH, IS THAT GEOGRAPHICALLY LIMITED TO THAT SITE OR JUST TO THE PROGRAM? I BELIEVE IF WE FOUND A DIFFERENT SITE, THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, KIND OF REDO ANYTHING IN THE CONTRACTS THAT REFERS TO THE SITE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CITY LAND ZONED THAT WE COULD DO THIS ON? SO NOTHING IS ZONED FOR IT.

WE WOULD NEED EITHER A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, TEMPORARY USE PERMIT, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, OR A REZONING FOR ANY PLACE.

UM, ALSO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PLACE BETTER, UM, THE CULTURAL PARK LAND IS NOT VISIBLE FROM ANY ROAD OR PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET BETTER THAN THAT.

NOT, NOT, THAT IS NOT A QUESTION.

YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SAGAL PROPERTY? OKAY.

UM, HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT IF IT'S NOT BEING USED.

I THINK EVERY OTHER PROPERTY'S GONNA REQUIRE A REZONE.

'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CUP OR TUP, WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE HAVE A PROCESSOR, TUP OR CUP, EITHER ONE FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING, UH, CAMPGROUND.

IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE CODE.

SO WE NEED TO AMEND THE CODE TO ALLOW IT IF WE DO IT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF A REZONE.

SO EITHER WAY YOU'RE GONNA DO AN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO AN ORDINANCE TO GET IT IN, TO ALLOW IT IN THE CITY, EITHER THROUGH AN AMENDMENT OF THE ZONING CODE OR A REZONE OF A SPECIFIC PROPERTY.

SO WE'RE NOT GONNA RESOLVE IT RIGHT NOW, BUT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

AND IF WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO DO THIS, IF WE WANNA FLUSH OUT ANYBODY WHO'S HIDING BEHIND CP 2.0 AS THE REASON FOR OPPOSING SAFE PLACE TO PARK, THEN PURSUING A REZONING OR A CUP ON ANOTHER CITY OWNED PROPERTY WOULD REALLY SHOW WHAT THE TEMPERATURE OF THE COMMUNITY IS AT THAT POINT.

AND YEAH, IT'S A HIGH STAKE GAMBLE ON, UH, ON THE TENSION LEVEL AND WHATNOT, BUT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

UM, SHELBY WAS APPROVED, SHELBY OF COURSE, BUT THEN I'M JUST GONNA SHOW YOU HERE THE SPREADSHEET WITH KIND OF THE TOP FIVE, UM, SUNSET LOFTS I'M HOPING TO BRING BACK IN MAY BRING BACK FROM THE CURRENT DEVELOPER.

I'VE SEEN NOTHING ELSE FROM THE DAIS.

UH, WHAT'S THE NEXT, OH, THAT'S IT.

OH, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

OKAY, WE CAN GO TO LUNCH, JESSICA.

WELL, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR 20 MINUTES ABOUT THAT.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

, THE $10 MILLION, HOW LIKELY IS THAT TO BE SPENT? I MEAN, WE PUT 12 MILLION IN AND NONE OF IT, ALMOST NONE OF IT WAS SPENT.

HOW, LIKE, I MEAN, AND I HEARD LAST YEAR THAT IF EVERYTHING WENT WELL, YOU COULD SPEND THE 12 MILLION.

WELL, NOTHING WENT WELL AND IT WASN'T SPENT.

SO THAT 10 MILLION, ARE ANY PROJECTS ANYWHERE NEAR CLOSE ENOUGH TO YES.

SO,

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UM, AND, AND, UM, THE CURRENT ASK IS 7.75 MILLION.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT ADDITION, BUT NO TOTAL.

IN SUBSIDY .

SO FROM THE 4.2 THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED TO 7.75 TOTAL, BUT OKAY.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS BECAUSE MY SENSE IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COMMIT TO SPENDING AN INSANE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO GET ANYTHING DONE.

I SAY THAT JUST NOW.

SO THAT'S CLO THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

'CAUSE IT'S ALL NOW IN PLACE EXCEPT FOR THE FINANCING.

IT COULD START LIKE TOMORROW IF IT HAD FINANCING.

UM, THEY NEED TO CLOSE ON THE FINANCING AND SOME PROCESSES.

BUT YES.

BUT THEY HAVE PERMITS AND EVERYTHING.

THE PERMITS ARE READY? YEAH.

EVERYTHING.

WHAT IS THAT ONE AND WHAT'S THE SECOND ONE? CAN YOU MAKE THAT LARGER? NO, I CAN'T.

WHAT'S THE SECOND ONE? SORRY.

SHELBY IS THE TOP ONE.

SUNSET LOFTS IS THE SECOND ONE.

THE THIRD ONE'S GOOD ROW.

THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR FUNDING.

ONLY THE ZONE CHANGE.

UM, THE FOURTH ONE IS A RELATIVELY NEW PROPOSAL, BUT THEY'RE MOVING QUICKLY.

UM, I CAN'T READ IT.

WHERE IS THAT? WHERE IS IT? IT'S ON LEM DRIVE, WHICH IS, UM, I THINK KIND OF BEHIND THE BIG O TIRE OVER HERE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

UM, SIX SMALL PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY KIND OF LOOKED AT BEFORE IN A WORK SESSION.

UM, DOES IT NEED ZONING OR ANYTHING? THEY DO NEED ZONING.

WELL THEN, NOT THIS YEAR.

UM, AND THEN THE CULTURAL PARK PHASE ONE, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T SELECT ANYONE FROM THE RFP, WE DID WORK WITH THE HIGHEST BIDDER AND THEY'VE BROUGHT FORWARD A NEW PROPOSAL.

THAT'S MUCH BETTER.

SHANNON, CAN WE CHANGE THE NAME FROM CULTURAL PARK TO WESTERN GATEWAY? SURE.

BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF CHANGING IT.

WE DON'T NEED TO, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT.

SO IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN FOR NEC FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, IT LOOKS LIKE SUNSET LOFTS IS REALLY THE ONLY ONE.

THE, THE WESTERN GATEWAY ONE.

IT CAN'T BE THIS YEAR, EVEN IF IT MOVES FORWARD, CAN IT? NO, THEY'RE LIKELY GONNA PURSUE A TAX CREDIT APPLICATION, SO IT WOULD BE OKAY.

SO REALISTICALLY ALL WE COULD TALK ABOUT IS SUNSET LOFTS.

AND WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THIS YEAR, DO YOU MEAN THIS FISCAL YEAR OR, I MEAN DURING THE BUDGET FOR WHICH THESE OKAY.

CAN NEXT FISCAL YEAR, NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO HOPEFULLY ALL OF THESE WOULD BE THROUGH COUNCIL BY THE END OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

WE'RE TALKING WHAT, A YEAR AND THREE MONTHS.

SO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST A CO COULD WHEN THE BREAK, WE COULD GET HARD COPIES OF THIS, PLEASE.

YEAH, SURE.

MELISSA, JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY, HI, BY THE WAY, UM, GOODROW, THEY'RE PRIVATE.

THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY FUNDING.

THEY JUST NEED TO HAVE A REZONE.

SO IF THE ZONING GO AHEAD AND HEIGHT RIGHT NOW, SO THEY NEED A VARIANCE AS WELL AS AS ZONING.

SO THAT WILL, BUT THAT, THAT WILL END UP IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AT SOME POINT.

DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT'S EVEN ANYWHERE ON PLANNING AND ZONING'S CALENDAR AT THIS POINT? I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THE CALENDAR YET BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED THEIR FULL APPLICATION, BUT THEY'VE SUBMITTED MUCH OF THEIR APPLICATION AND, UM, HOPING TO GET IT ON THE CALENDAR SOON.

AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THE ONE BELOW IT, WHICH IS LIM, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? IT'S LEM DRIVE, LE DRIVE, HAVE NO IDEA LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE CITY EVERY DAY.

UM, THEY WANT FUNDING AS WELL AS NEEDING A ZONE AND POTENTIAL VARIANCES.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR HEIGHT OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER THINGS.

BUT THAT'D BE THE SAME THING.

THEY, THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY ON PLANNING OF ZONINGS CALENDAR AT ANY, AT ANY POINT.

UH, PLUS YOU HAVE TO WORK OUT THE FUNDING ISSUE WITH THEM.

BRIAN, HOW MUCH HEIGHT DOES GOODROW NEED? IT VARIES.

IT'S NOT A, A LEVEL BUILDING, BUT I THINK THAT AT SOME POINT THEIR HIGHEST IS LIKE 20 FEET OVER OR SOMETHING.

KIND OF RIDICULOUS RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'RE SO SO IS IT FOR THREE STORIES? YEAH, THEY HAVE, UM, TWO STORIES OF HOUSING, BUT THEY PUT THE PARKING UNDERNEATH, SO.

UH, OKAY.

WHAT LEM DRIVE DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP ON MY APPLE MAP APP, BY THE WAY.

I KNOW, BUT I FOUND IT BEEN THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF SHINE'S DONE OR NOT.

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DON'T EITHER.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT OF THAT TOTAL 18.9 MILLION THAT'S AVAILABLE, IT'S ALL ALLOCATED JUST IN THOSE FIVE.

AND THERE ARE FIVE OTHER PENDING PROJECTS.

SO, AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL PRINT THAT OUT FOR US.

ACTUALLY, THE 18.9 INCLUDES THE 400,000 FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

SO HEAR THAT EXCEED THAT A LITTLE BIT ALREADY.

COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? THE 18.9 MILLION UM, INCLUDES THE 400,000 FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

SO THIS DOES EXCEED, UM, THANK YOU.

THE AMOUNT FOR THESE PROJECTS.

OKAY, THANK YOU A LITTLE BIT.

YOU YOU.

GOOD CHANCE, SHERRY, ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY, WE'LL BE BACK AT 1230 FOR LUNCH.

FOUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, FTES.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET STARTED.

OKAY, SO FOR THE CITY OF CHARITY'S OFFICE, UM, FISCAL YEAR 24, DIRECT COSTS ARE BUDGET ABOUT 818,000.

FISCAL YEAR 25 GO INTO ABOUT 904,000.

UM, THERE IS INCREASE IN THE WAGE OF BENEFITS, UM, ABOUT 137,000.

AND THAT'S RESTORING THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY POSITION TO A FULL-TIME POSITION.

UM, IT WAS FULL-TIME AND UM, AT ONE POINT KURT SAID, I CAN GO WITH A HALF POSITION FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND JUST DO CONTRACTED SERVICE.

AND SO THIS IS GOING BACK TO, UH, MAKING THAT A FULL-TIME POSITION AND DECREASING THE CONTRACTED LEGAL SERVICE ABOUT 52,000.

SO THE OVERALL CHANGE IN THERE ARE NO, UM, ONE-TIME COSTS.

IT'S ALL ONGOING COSTS OF AN INCREASE OF 11%.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KURT? I GOT A LOT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I'M SURE PETE'S READY TO GO, SO I YIELD MY TIME.

ALRIGHT, .

YEAH, SO THE OFFICE FIRST WENT TO FOUR ATTORNEYS IN 2017, I BELIEVE.

UM, AND THEN IT'S BEEN WITH ROBERT PIELS OR THREE ATTORNEYS, SORRY, FOUR, THREE, RIGHT.

UH, AND THEN IT'S THAT SECOND POSITION, SECOND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY POSITION.

ALWAYS BEEN MORE WHATEVER THE CANDIDATE WANTS 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN HARD TO FILL EITHER PART-TIME OR FULL-TIME.

AND SO WE HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO CURRENTLY WANTS, UH, FULL-TIME AND DOES GOOD WORK.

SO HENCE WHY IT'S GOING BACK.

GOOD WORK.

I'M SURE THEY DO.

JOANNE PREPARES THIS BUDGET, BUT SHE'S OUT.

ANYBODY ELSE FOR ALL THESE COMMENTS? NOPE.

KIRK, YOU DID, UH, YOU HAD IN HERE IN YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS ABOUT YOUR CITY LOBBYIST ROLE, BUT YOU DIDN'T PUT THAT IN YOUR OBJECTIVES FOR THIS COMING YEAR.

SO IT'LL BE UP TO THE NEW CITY MANAGER.

UM, HISTORICALLY THAT'S BEEN IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UH, IT GETS A LITTLE INTERESTING HAVING THE CITY ATTORNEY DO THE, THE LOBBYING WORK.

UM, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TALKING TO ATTORNEYS AS MUCH AS JUST REGULAR PEOPLE, SO, UM, BUT A LOT OF LEGISLATORS ARE ATTORNEYS AND WHATNOT, AND SO IT'S, UM, CAN GO EITHER WAY.

UM, I'LL, I'LL TAKE LEAD OR THE DIRECTION FROM THE CITY MANAGER ON THAT, WHETHER WE WANT TO MAINTAIN IT WITH THE FULL-TIME ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, UH, THEN I WOULD HAVE MORE TIME TO DO THAT THAN THE CURRENT PART-TIME.

UM, MY TIME CAN REALLY GET SUCKED INTO JUST HANDLING ALL THE CONTRACTS FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WHEN THEY, WHEN COUNSEL FIRST APPROVED THREE FULL-TIME ATTORNEYS I WAS LOOKING AT, IN 2017, THERE WAS 120 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY AND WE'RE AT 180 NOW AND THE WORK JUST KEEPS COMING.

AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY IN HERE ABOUT REVISING COUNSEL RULES AND PROCEDURES.

IT SEEMS THAT YOU'VE HAD BEEN HARBORING SOME IDEAS AND ARE YOU GONNA TRY AND MOVE SOME THIS YEAR? YEAH, THERE'S STILL, IT'S ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO DO.

UM, I WOULD'VE, I WOULD'VE HAVE PREFERRED TO GET 'EM IN ALREADY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFICS FROM COUNSEL, BUT WE'RE, IT IS ON, IT'S ON MY, MY FLAGGED ITEMS TO DO.

UM, I HEAR SOME GENERAL, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS FROM COUNSEL, BUT NOT ANYTHING SPECIFIC.

AND SO I WAS JUST KIND OF TRYING TO GATHER THOSE ALL UP AS I HEAR 'EM.

AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE.

HE, HE'S GOT MY LIST ALREADY.

YOU GUYS MAYBE PUT IN YOUR LIST THE LIST OF COMPLAINTS.

YOU LIST OF COMPLAINTS.

IS THAT WHAT IT'S .

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ACTIVELY SOLICITING THOSE COMMENTS? DO YOU WANT I MEAN, THAT NOW'S NOT THE TIME, BUT ANYTIME, UH, I'M, ANY COUNSELOR CAN COME LET ME KNOW.

IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, HOW THINGS ARE GOING, THEN I AM KEEPING TRACK OF THOSE AND, AND I DO, THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT WITH THEM, SO.

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SO KAREN'S COVERING FOR I THINK JOANNE ON THE NEXT TWO.

I THINK SHE'S CAPABLE.

SO ON THE SUMMARY CHANGES THE FISCAL YEAR 24 DIRECT COSTS THAT WE'RE BUDGETED ABOUT 78,000 GOING DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 TO 74,000.

UM, THE DECREASE IS PRIMARILY DUE TO A DECREASE IN HOW MUCH WAS BUDGETED FOR THE COUNCIL RETREAT FACILITATOR.

UM, AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS A, A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S AN ELECTION COMING UP, SO I ALWAYS DO THE PORTRAIT AND THE FRAMING AND ALL OF THAT, UM, THAT GOES UP ON THE WALLS.

SO, UM, SO THERE'S MONEY IN THERE FOR THAT.

SO THE, UM, OVERALL CHANGE, 5%, UH, DECREASE, UM, ALL ONGOING CALLS.

QUESTION ABOUT THE RETREAT.

DON'T WE USUALLY DO A RETREAT IN THE YEAR FOLLOWING AN ELECTION SO THAT NEW COUNSELORS COMING ON BOARD? NO, WE DO IT EVERY YEAR.

WELL, WE WERE, BUT I EVEN PRIOR TO THAT, I THINK IT WAS AFTER EVERY ELECTION, RIGHT? WE DID MM-HMM.

, UM, WE DON'T THINK ONE WILL BE NECESSARY FOLLOWING THIS COMING ELECTION.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE, IT'S THE FACILITATOR THAT'S THE DECREASE FOR THE FACILITATOR.

BUT, BUT IF YOU FOUND THAT THE FACILITATION SERVICES WAS HELPFUL, UM, AND WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION, HOW MUCH THEY MAY CONFUS NOT, NOT KNOWING HOW MUCH THE MAKEUP THE COUNCIL WILL CHANGE, BUT IT COULD BE ONLY BY ONE MM-HMM.

UM, AND SO, OKAY.

WE WERE NOT SURE IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT.

WE CERTAINLY COULD PUT THE MONEY IN WHAT WE HAD IN LAST TIME, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT IT WAS, IT'S ABOUT DOUBLE THAT, THAT THE FACILITATOR THAT WE WERE USING, UM, AND WHAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW FOR 25 IS 4,000.

AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE IF WE HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE THIS FACILITY AND PAY FOR A ROOM, IF WE GO TO MARRIOTT, THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY FREE, BUT THE MEALS ARE CORRECT THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT, THE MONEY AND, AND, AND ALL THE RETREAT COSTS ARE ALREADY IN HERE.

SO THERE, THERE'S NO CHANGE COSTS.

THIS IS JUST FACILITATOR OR THIS IS EVERYTHING.

THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE FACILITATOR COSTS.

I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T NOT LOOK AT ALL THESE METRICS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THEN NOT LOOK AT OURS AND, YOU KNOW, WE AS THE CITY COUNCIL LOOKING ON COUNCIL FOUR, OUR EXPENDITURES PER CAPITA ARE ABOVE THE BENCHMARKS.

SO I'M KIND OF WONDERING, I GUESS IT'S COUPLED TO, UH, THE QUESTION ABOUT OUR INTERNAL CHARGES OR THE, THE BIG PART OF OUR BUDGET.

SO JUST SOME INSIGHT CARNESS PERHAPS WHERE WE'RE SPENDING ALL THE MONEY AND HOW WE COMPARE MIGHT, MAY, PERHAPS HOW WE COMPARE TO OTHER PLACES IN THE BENCHMARKS.

UM, IF I COULD JUST, UM, CLARIFY, SO ON THAT ICMA BENCHMARK, IT'S THE SAME THING AGAIN WHERE, UM, IN THE MORE RECENT YEARS, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH PARTICIPATION.

THAT'S WHY WE GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2017.

SO YOU ARE GONNA HAVE INFLATIONARY FACTORS IMPACTING THIS, UM, CALCULATION.

AND, UM, AND WE DO THE, THE LINE RIGHT BELOW WHERE WE LOOK AT THE COST NOT ONLY PER CAPITA, BUT THE ANNUALIZED VISITOR POPULATION, UM, IN ORDER TO GET A BETTER ASSESSMENT OF WHERE THOSE ARE, BECAUSE WE ARE SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT OUR POPULATION IS.

SO WITH THE WORKLOAD INDICATORS AND ALL THOSE THINGS THERE, IF WE WANT TO TAKE THE SHOW ON THE ROAD NEXT YEAR AND HAVE SOME OUTREACH THAT WOULD BE IN HERE AS WELL, IF WE WANT TO GO TO ONE OF THE CHURCHES AND HOLD TO A COMMUNITY CENTER AND THAT RENTAL FEE, IF WE WANT TO GO EITHER WITH THREE COUNSELORS OR ALL SEVEN OF US AND GO AND DO OUTREACH FOR WHATEVER THE PROJECT MIGHT BE, THAT WOULD COME OUTTA HERE.

THAT'S OUR BUDGET.

RIGHT? WELL TYPICALLY THE OUTREACH IS IF IT'S RELATED TO A PROJECT, IT'S IN THE PROJECT COST.

AND NOT COMMUNICATIONS EITHER, BUT, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO DO, YOU KNOW, RESUME THE LISTENING SESSIONS AND OR THINGS LIKE THAT, I, I WOULD PUT SOME FUNDING IN THIS BECAUSE THOSE ARE, THAT'S MORE GENERALIZED.

IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO A PROJECT.

AND WE DON'T, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY FOR RENTAL FACILITIES OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, AUGMENTING THE MEAL BUDGET IF YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME REFRESHMENTS OR SOMETHING.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST NIGHT AT THE EVENT.

NO IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF CONTINGENCY FUNDS IN THERE, ALTHOUGH WE'D HAVE

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UM, BUT I THINK IF WE WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE AND BE OUT THERE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AS WELL AS ALL THE WAY, THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW.

'CAUSE WE'RE ALL OUT THERE INDIVIDUALLY DOING, YOU KNOW, MEETING WITH PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WANNA LOOK AT SOMETHING.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT A DOLLAR, A PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT, A PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT, A COUPLE OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S EVEN RIGHT.

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SUCH A LOW AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SOMETHING WOULDN'T COME OUT OF SUPPLIES AND SERVICES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WELL, I COULD DO IT ON A P CARD.

WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED? UH, I WOULD PROBABLY JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THE ACTUALLY WHAT'S BEING SPENT.

TYPICALLY, THIS IS AN UNDER SPENT BUDGET THOUGH, SO I BELIEVE THAT YOU PROBABLY DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CUSHION IN THERE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, TO FUND SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF IT WAS JUST A FEW TIMES A YEAR.

I'LL, I'LL BE THE ONE TO BRING IT UP.

THE, THE STIPEND.

UM, I, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF A AUTOMATIC ADJUSTMENT, WHATEVER.

UM, I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN MAKE MINIMUM WAGE FOR THE TIME THAT WE PUT INTO THIS.

AND NOT THAT ANYBODY'S LOOKING TO GET RICH OFF THIS, BUT OUR TIME IS WORTH SOMETHING.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO BE THE ONE TO BRING THAT UP, BUT I MEAN, WE SHOULD GET PAID MORE THAN WHAT WE GET PAID.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I BELIEVE, UH, KURT, IF YOU CAN WEIGH IN, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT FOR OURSELVES, IT WOULD BE THE FOLLOWING BUDGET.

NOT THIS BUDGET HAS TO BE, IT, IT'S ON, AT A, ON A ELECTION YEAR.

SO YOU DO IT.

SO IT WAS LAST RAISED BY COUNCIL IN, IN 2022.

JOHN THOMPSON.

JOHN THOMPSON DID IT.

AND SO THEN IT WOULD, IT COULD ALSO BE DONE AT THIS NEXT ELECTION.

SO IT TAKES BEGINNING, IT TAKES PLACE AT THE BEGINNING OF AN A NEW TERM.

WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING I, I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, IN THE PAST THERE HAVE, WE HAVE GOTTEN LISTS OF WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES GET.

HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE LISTS? MM-HMM.

SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM FLAGSTAFF ALL THE WAY DOWN TO JEROME.

WE'RE JUST, THERE'S NO DIVERSITY.

AND IT'S VARYING AMOUNTS.

I DON'T MORE THAN THAT.

I DON'T, I KNOW FLAGSTAFF IS A LOT, BUT IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT SETUP.

SO WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING? I THOUGHT I WAS BEING BOLD JUST BRINGING IT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE.

RIGHT? YOU WERE I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO WITH IT, YOU KNOW, I, I I MEAN IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S A TOPIC FOR COMMUNITY INPUT.

LIKE, HEY, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, OUGHT TO GET PAID? BECAUSE IT'S, I REMEMBER IN THE LAST ELECTION CYCLE THERE WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE OUGHT TO GET PAID REASONABLY FOR THEIR TIME, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE YOUNGER AND WORKING AND IT'S A OFFSET TO TIME AWAY FROM WAGE EARNING WORK FOR THEM, THAT SORT OF THING.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO, NO, I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER.

I MEAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO BE ALTRUISTIC AND, YOU KNOW, SELFLESS AND NOBODY WANTS TO PUT A NUMBER OUT THERE FOR FEAR OF LIKE, OH MY GOSH, YOU'RE SO GREEDY AND SELFISH.

RIGHT? SO I, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY GETTING SOME COMMUNITY INPUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP, MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE ON THEIR AGENDA OF, YOU KNOW, OR JUST HAVE SOME OTHER LITTLE WORK GROUP, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH IN THE NEXT BUDGET SURVEY.

LET'S ASK THE NEXT YEAH, YEAH.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT PAYING? YEAH.

ARE THESE THE SAME PEOPLE, BRIAN, WHO ARE HYSTERICAL THAT OUR PROFESSIONAL WORKERS MAKE MONEY? ARE THEY, THIS IS THE SAME COHORT? I I DO REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION BACK TWO YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO MAKE A REGULAR WAGE.

THIS WAS GONNA BE THEIR REGULAR JOB.

THEY WERE NOT GONNA WORK IN A, THEIR REGULAR BUSINESS THEY WERE GOING TO TO OFFSET THOSE HOURS.

THEY WERE NOT WITH THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY WANTED TO MAKE, I MEAN, A LOT OF MONEY.

IT IS LIMITING THE FACT THAT THIS IS REALLY A VOLUNTEER POSITION BECAUSE SOMEBODY WHO DOES HAVE TO WORK CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE HOURS THAT IT TAKES.

AND I DON'T MEAN THE HOURS ABOUT THE, THE NUMBER OF HOURS, THE TIMING OF THE MEETINGS, UM, AND HAVING THE DAYS FREE LIKE YESTERDAY AND TODAY.

UH, AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE LOSING MONEY IF THEY TAKE TIME OFF FROM A PAID JOB TO DO IT.

SO NOT ONLY ARE THEY GIVING SELFLESSLY OF THEIR COMMUNITY TO THEIR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY'RE SACRIFICING THEIR OWN INCOME.

SO THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN DO THIS ARE WITH THE EXCEPTION, YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON HOLDING A REGULAR JOB UP HERE, BRIAN, ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE RETIRED, UM, WHO GENERALLY TEND TO BE OLDER HOMEOWNERS.

I MEAN, IT'S,

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JESSICA.

WELL, I SOMETIMES THINK THAT THERE ARE REAL DOWNSIDES TO HAVING PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS.

UM, I THINK WE CAN SEE THAT IN OUR LEGISLATURE.

WE CAN SEE THAT IN CONGRESS.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAVE REAL, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPETUS AND IF POLITICIANS WERE ALSO COMMUNITY MINDED, YOU KNOW, ONE THING, BUT I, I, I MYSELF HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT CREATING A, A, A NICE POLITICAL POST FOR PEOPLE TO SPEND THEIR LIVES IN.

SO AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN HERE FOREVER, .

BUT ANYWAY, I I, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT A, ABOUT MAKING IT A, UM, A PAID POLITICAL JOB.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THE POINT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S PROPOSING.

BUT I KNOW I'M DEFINITELY NOT SUGGESTING THAT.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR POINT IS, BUT THAT'S, I THINK WHY THE QUESTION OF WHAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU IS, IS IT'S A REASONABLE ONE BECAUSE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN LIKE $140,000 AND $450, THAT'S SORT OF A BIG RANGE.

I KNOW THAT'S A LARGE AMOUNT.

I'M SAYING IN ORDER TO LIVE IN SEDONA AND, AND MAKE IT WORTH YOUR WHILE, UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY WORK FOR PAUL, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY.

, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY, UM, IN YOUR REGULAR JOB THAN YOU, UNLESS IT'S REALLY WORTH ECONOMICALLY, MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA DO IT ANYWAY.

AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT MORE MONEY.

AND SO I, I JUST THINK, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING JUST SORT OF GENERALLY, UM, IF, IF ANY, IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS, BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT MAKING IT A PERMANENT POLITICAL, BUT ANYWAY, IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IT, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S MY COMMENT.

I'M FINE LEAVING WITH THE WAY IT IS.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BRIAN IN, IN JUST YOUR SORT OF, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, ARE YOU LOOKING, ARE YOU LOOKING AT, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT THE WAY THAT I THINK COUNCIL WILLIAMSON UNDERSTOOD IT, THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

I MEAN, ARE WHEN YOU LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE A COLA ATTACHED TO THE CURRENT OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT TIES INTO RAISES THAT ARE GIVEN TO STAFF? YOU KNOW, THAT'S RIGHT.

NUMBERS LIKE THAT, THAT ACROSS THE BOARD IS, ARE YOU LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S AN AUTOMATIC THING, OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT SALARY SETTING, WHICH THINKS THE WAY I THINK IT'S WILLIAMS. I THINK IT'S BOTH, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHY WOULDN'T COUNCIL DESERVE A APPROXIMATE WAGE THAT IS IN THE REALM OF THE LEVEL OF STAFF WE INTERACT WITH AS A, FOR INSTANCE, NOT AS A FULL-TIME GIG.

YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN REMOTELY.

BUT THE, THE NATURE OF WHAT IS EXPECTED OF US IS NOT A MINIMUM WAGE JOB.

THE INTELLECT, THE EXPERIENCE, UH, ET CETERA.

SO AGAIN, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT ON IT THROUGH A RESIDENT WORKING GROUP OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO ESTABLISH, DO THEIR THING, DISBAND, WHATEVER, MAKE PROPOSAL.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A, A PALATABLE WAY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DIGEST IT AS WELL, POTENTIALLY.

WELL, CERTAINLY IF ANYTHING IS DONE, IF THAT'S DONE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO END UP COMING IN IN TWO YEARS BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE VETTED OUT BY THE, THE BUDGET GROUP.

AND LIKE KURT SAID, IT HAS TO BE DONE DURING THE ELECTION YEAR.

I WASN'T EVEN AWARE THAT HAD BE DONE BY THE ELECTION YEAR.

I MEAN, THAT'S FINE, RIGHT? LIKE YEAH, NO, IT'S FINE.

I, I THINK THIS IS PART OF DOING RIGHT BY FUTURE COUNCILS ALSO AND NOT PERPETUATING THIS NOTION THAT WE'RE JUST DOING THIS FOR FREE ESSENTIALLY.

AND NOT TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH, BUT, YOU KNOW, SORRY, FIVE 50 A MONTH DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, BEING WORTH THE TIME.

HAVE TO RUN THE MAYOR.

DOESN'T COVER THE GAS IN THE CAR, .

SO, BUT NONE OF US DO IT FOR THAT EITHER, SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT MAY MARY JO, JUST ONE CORRECTION, IT CAN BE DONE ANYTIME.

JUST IT WILL, WOULD TAKE EFFECT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW TERMS OF COUNCIL.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I, TWO HOURS GOING.

THANK YOU KURT.

UM, I'M FINE WITH IT STAYING THE WAY IT IS, BUT IF EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY INTEREST, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR BRAVE MAN? VERY BRAVE.

YEAH, IT'S GOOD.

SUBTOTAL OF THE DIRECT COST, THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 WAS ABOUT 78,000.

ANYTHING ELSE? AND IT WOULD BE, NO, WE, SO THE CHANGE, THE LISTENING SESSIONS, YES.

STUFF THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON, UM, COUNCIL DASH TWO, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE

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AND THE ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH WILL BE SPENT IN 24 IS ABOUT 68,000.

SO THERE'S SOME CUSHION THAT'S FINE TO ABSORB THAT, DEPENDING UPON HOW MUCH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HOTELS, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING EXTENSIVE.

IT'S A LOCAL VENUE OR THE LIBRARY.

NETWORK, COMMUNITY CENTER.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEPLACE LOCAL WHERE WE CAN YEAH.

PUT THE MONEY BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY.

MOVING ON WITH CITY CLERK.

CITY CLERK'S OFFICE FISCAL YEAR 24 DIRECT COST BUDGET ARE ABOUT 406,000 GOING TO ABOUT 466,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

UM, INCREASES ARE RELATED TO THE WAGE AND BENEFIT ADJUSTMENTS.

THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE ONE-TIME COSTS BASICALLY DUE TO ELECTIONS.

UM, THE OVERALL CHANGE IS 15%.

THE ONGOING COST INCREASING 6%.

UM, AND THE ONE-TIME COSTS AGAIN.

SO THAT'S, UM, MONEY PUT IN THERE, 34,000 TO COVER BOTH GENERAL AND PRIMARY ELECTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE DAYS? UM, THERE IS A PROPOSED FEE CHANGE FOR THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

UM, SO WHAT JOANNE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO BETTER BE ABLE TO TRACK THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESS LICENSES.

'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE THE STANDARD BUSINESS LICENSE AND THEN THERE'S A SPECIAL EVENT LICENSE.

AND WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW, THE PER EVENT LICENSE IS $10 PER EVENT, AND THE REGULAR BUSINESS LICENSE IS $70.

SO IF SOMEBODY IS PLANNING ON DOING SEVEN OR MORE EVENTS, THEY JUST GET A REGULAR BUSINESS LICENSE.

AND SO BASICALLY SHE WANTS TO JUST CREATE ANOTHER CATEGORY FOR SEVEN OR MORE SO THAT SHE CAN TRACK SEPARATELY WHAT HER REGULAR BUSINESS LICENSES AND WHAT HER SPECIAL EVENT LICENSES.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE IN THE FEES.

SO MY QUESTION TO SHERRY OR KAREN OR ANNETTE BUSINESS LICENSES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, IS IT, THERE'S STILL THE INTEREST OF KEEPING IT WITH THE CITY CLERK OR PUTTING IT BACK TO FINANCE? I, I THINK AT THIS TIME, KEEPING IT WITH THE CLERK.

THEY DO HAVE SOME NEW SOFTWARE, THEY'RE TRAINED ON IT.

AND RIGHT NOW WITH SHERRY LEAVING AND NEEDING TO HIRE A NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THEN JUST TRYING TO KIND OF GET THAT DEPARTMENT BACK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FULLY FUNCTIONING WITH THAT, THAT'S A BIG TRANSITION.

IT IS.

UM, THAT WE COULD MAYBE REASSESS WHAT MAKES SENSE IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK FOR NOW IT'S WORKING WELL IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

ANNETTE AND NICOLE, WHO HANDLED THE BUSINESS LICENSES, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, JOANNE AND I HAD HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS, UM, AROUND IS THE, THE EFFICACY OF THE BUSINESS LICENSE PROGRAM ITSELF.

SO IF WE ARE GOING TO USE THAT DATA TO DRIVE DECISION MAKING, INFORM ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT USE IT FOR, THEN IT MAKES SENSE TO INVEST THE RESOURCES IN MAINTAINING A PROGRAM.

THERE ARE SOME DEPARTMENTS LIKE FINANCE WITH THEIR, UM, SALES TAX COLLECTIONS AND, AND YOU KNOW, ON THE REVENUE SIDE AS WELL AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THAT SOMETIMES A LACK OF A BUSINESS LICENSE CAN ALERT FOLKS TO THAT THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE, UM, OR SOMEONE GET GETTING A BUSINESS LICENSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A TO, FROM LIKE A PERMIT TO ACTUALLY BE RUNNING A BUSINESS CAN FLAG COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT IT IS USEFUL FOR, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE IS JUST ASSESS, ARE THOSE FEW THINGS THAT IT IS CURRENTLY USED FOR ALMOST AS A BYPRODUCT OF HAVING THIS PROGRAM WORTH THE INVESTMENT IN RESOURCES? OR ARE THERE OTHER THINGS MAYBE WITH A NEW ERP SYSTEM THAT INCORPORATED A MODULE FOR BUSINESS LICENSING WHERE WE IT CAN TALK TO OTHER SYSTEMS AND WE CAN ACTUALLY USE THAT DATA TO DRIVE DECISION MAKING AROUND OTHER THINGS OR SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE DO.

IF WE'RE JUST ISSUING BUSINESS LICENSES FOR THE SAKE OF IT AND NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING WITH IT, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT FOR FUTURE.

HOW MANY BUSINESSES WERE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE CITY.

AND WE DID HAVE, UM, OTHER USES FOR THAT DATA IN MCCALL THAT WE THOUGHT WERE BENEFICIAL, UNDERSTANDING WHAT TYPES AND

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ANY PARTICULAR TIME FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT BECAUSE NOT ALL THE BUSINESSES WERE MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

SO THE CITY WAS BASICALLY LIKE THE MASTER BUSINESS DIRECTORY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE FOUND IT VALUABLE FOR THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.

UM, UNDERSTANDING WHO'S ACTUALLY IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, COMMERCIALLY.

WELL I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW IT OUT THERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, WELL, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, I GUESS WE'LL DECIDE WHEN WE'RE DONE TODAY.

WELL, AT THE FINAL SECTION, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THESE RIGHT.

THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON ALL THESE.

SO IN TERMS OF THE FEE CHANGES, THIS IS REALLY JUST A HEADS UP TO COUNSEL THAT YOU'LL, IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS, YOU'LL BE SEEING IT COME BACK IN THE FALL WHEN WE DO OUR FEE UPDATES.

I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD MELISSA.

I THINK THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE DIRECTED AT KURT.

SO WE TALK HERE ABOUT GENERAL AND PRIMARY ELECTIONS AND THE COST OF THEM.

UM, I'M NOT SURE, SO FOR INSTANCE, THE REFERENDUM THAT'S COMING UP, IF THIS WERE NOT AN ELECTION YEAR, WOULD WE HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL ELECTION? AND GIVEN THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN DATES BY WHICH SPECIAL ELECTIONS HAVE TO HAPPEN, I'M ASSUMING THERE ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH US HAVING TO RUN SPECIAL ELECTIONS.

AND SO, UM, I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUILT IN HERE FOR SPECIAL ELECTIONS, WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE MAYBE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE PAST, BUT MAYBE SHOULD CONSIDER THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE HAS THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

UM, AND I JUST BELIEVE ONE, IT WOULD FALL IN BETWEEN THOSE COSTS.

GENERALLY IT'D STILL BE, UH, THERE'D STILL BE SOME ADMINISTRATION FROM THE, UH, HELP FROM THE COUNTIES.

UH, WE HAVE TO ALERT THEM ABOUT IT.

AND SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BUDGET ANYTHING IN THERE.

UH, THE CURRENT, UH, REFERENDUM PETITION WOULD FALL ON THE GENERAL ELECTION THIS YEAR.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD THAT AT THAT TIMEFRAME.

UM, AND IF THERE WASN'T, THEN THERE, WE JUST HAVE TO PULL FROM SOME OTHER LINE ITEM IF IT, IF IT HAPPENED TO COME UP.

BUT EVEN IN, WITHIN THE CLERK'S OFFICE, I THINK THEY HAVE BUDGET CAPACITY FOR THE, THOSE SMALL AMOUNTS TO RUN A SPECIAL ELECTION.

SO NOW WE GO TO THE OVERALL

[3.e. An overview of the overall City budget and strategic budget issues for FY 2024/2025 will be presented and discussed.]

BUDGET STRATEGIC ISSUES.

THE 121, UM, BUDGET EXPENDITURES.

SO WE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, QUITE A BIT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

WE'RE DOING VERY WELL.

SO, UM, BASED OFF OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BOOKS AS THEY ARE PROPOSED, THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET IS BALANCED.

UM, WE START OFF WITH, UM, BEGINNING BALANCES.

SO OUR ESTIMATE OF WHERE WE WOULD BE JULY ONE WOULD BE A BEGINNING BALANCE OF 115.9 MILLION.

ESTIMATED REVENUES ARE AT 69.9.

AND THEN WHAT WE DO IS WE BACK OUT WHAT ARE THE POLICY RESERVES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE AS OF JUNE 30, 25.

AND, UM, THESE ARE, UH, BASED OFF OF FULLY FUNDED RESERVES, SO WE'RE BACKING OUT OPERATING CAPITAL RESERVES, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, ET CETERA, TO COME TO TOTAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR OUR BUDGET OF A 121.4 MILLION.

THE BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, IS A HUNDRED AND AND 0.3.

SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE WOULD BE EXCESS RESOURCES AVAILABLE OF 21 MILLION.

SO ESSENTIALLY YOU COULD BUDGET ALL THE WAY UP TO 121.4 AND BE ADOPTING OF BALANCED BUDGET HERE.

UM, HERE'S A COMPARISON TO SOME OF THE PRIOR YEARS.

SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE BEGINNING BALANCE, THE BEGINNING AMOUNT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 WOULD BE THE HIGHEST AMOUNT THAT WE'VE ESTIMATED AS BEGINNING BALANCE.

UM, GOING BACK TO FISCAL YEAR, UM, 2019, UM, THE REVENUES THAT WE PROPOSED GOING UP SOME, UM, OVER THE, UM, CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, THIS, UM, ESTIMATED OTHER FINANCING SOURCES.

WE HAVE NOT BUDGETED TO ISSUE ANY BONDS IN FISCAL YEAR 25, UM, BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTION AT THE TIME OF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BE GOING TO COUNSEL SOON ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE BONDS FOR THE GARAGE, UM, PRIOR TO, UM, JUNE 30.

SO IT WAS NOT PROJECTED IN 24 BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IN TIME THE GARAGE WAS ON HOLD.

UM, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THAT MAY, UM, OR MAY NOT MOVE FORWARD.

SO, UM, IT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT THERE, IT JUST WASN'T BUDGETED IN 24.

UM, AGAIN, BACKING OUT THE RESERVES.

SO, UM, OVER THE MOST RECENT HISTORY, THE TOTAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE WOULD BE ONE OF THE HIGHEST, UM, AT

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SO, UM, NOT THE HIGHEST FISCAL YEAR 23, WE, WE WERE AT 105.7 MILLION.

UM, THE BUDGET, OTHER FINANCING USES.

SO IN FISCAL YEAR 22, THE BONDS THAT WE ISSUED WERE TO BASICALLY REFINANCE OTHER BONDS AND SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO RECORD THE ISSUANCE OF THE BONDS AND THEN THE PAYOFF OF THE OTHER BONDS.

UM, THE EXCESS RESOURCES AVAILABLE, SO 21 MILLION, UM, IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHERE SOME OF THAT HISTORY IS.

UM, AND THEN THE ESTIMATED ENDING BALANCES, UM, WOULD ACTUALLY BE HIGHER.

SO THIS IS TAKING THE 21 MILLION PLUS ALL THESE RESERVES THAT WE WOULD HAVE SET ASIDE.

AND SO IT WOULD END UP BEING, UM, THE HIGHEST THAT WE HAVE IN THIS HISTORY OF, UH, ANY BALANCE OF 85.4 MILLION.

AND FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AT ANY POINT IN TIME THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

WAS THAT A QUESTION? THAT'S MY POINT.

BUILT IN, UH, TO FISCAL YEAR 24.

SO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? NO, I, I MEAN, I, I ADDRESSED IT EARLIER.

THIS IS MY POINT.

LOOK AT ALL THIS MONEY WE HAVE, RIGHT? THAT WE DON'T SPEND, RIGHT? WE, AND WE AND WE WANNA GO TO MORE DEBT, THAT'S ALL.

SO, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE IS, UM, SOME OF THE HISTORY WITH THE BUDGETS, ACTUAL EXPENDITURES, FUND BALANCES.

SO THIS FIRST LINE, THIS BLUE LINE IS, UM, HISTORY OF, UM, BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 2006 UP THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 23, THE MOST RECENTLY COMPLETED FISCAL YEAR.

UM, THE BLUE LINE REPRESENTS THE AMOUNTS THAT WERE BUDGETED.

THE ORANGE LINE REPRESENTS HOW MUCH THE EXPENDITURES WERE.

UM, I DO HAVE A CHART DOWN BELOW THAT SHOWS, UM, THE DOLLAR DIFFERENCES EACH ONE OF THOSE YEARS AND WHAT THE PERCENTAGE WAS, UM, IN THE EARLIER YEARS.

SO, UM, 2006, UM, UP THROUGH 2009 BEFORE THE GREAT RECESSION STARTED, UH, WHAT THE CITY USED TO DO WAS BUDGET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A PROJECT THAT WAS EXPECTED TO TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS IN YEAR ONE OF THE PROJECT, THEY DIDN'T DO LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW ON CIP PROJECTS AND SAY WE THINK WE'LL SPEND THIS MUCH IN YEAR ONE, THIS MUCH IN YEAR TWO, ET CETERA.

UM, SO THEY WERE FOR SURE A LOT HIGHER THAN THEIR ANTICIPATIONS OF HOW MUCH THEY WOULD, UM, ACTUALLY SPEND.

THEY BROUGHT ALL THAT DOWN DURING, UM, THE GREAT RECESSION.

THINGS GOT A LOT TIGHTER, A LOT CLOSER THERE.

UM, AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAINTAIN SOMEWHAT, UM, TIGHT AMOUNT.

UM, BUT THEN ONCE WE STARTED EMBARKING ON THE SIM PROJECTS, UM, STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 2018, UM, IT, WE'VE HAD A LITTLE VARIATION THERE BECAUSE, UM, IT'S LESS PREDICTABLE IN THOSE PROJECTS AS FAR AS WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN.

SOME OF THE OUTREACH THAT, UM, ENDED UP SLOWING SOME OF THE PROJECTS DOWN, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, THIS GRAY LINE IS THE FUND BALANCE AMOUNTS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY LINE HAS, UM, HISTORICALLY BEEN ABOVE THE ORANGE LINE.

SO WE'VE HAD MORE THAN A YEAR'S WORTH OF EXPENDITURES IN OUR FUND BALANCE.

UM, IT HAS VARIED AS FAR AS, UM, WHETHER IT'S ABOVE OR BELOW WHAT THE AMOUNT WAS THAT WAS BUDGETED.

AND THEN AS FAR AS, UM, OPERATING RESERVES, SO THAT'S THE KIND OF GOLD LINE THERE.

UM, OPERATING RESERVES ARE, UM, SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN WHAT THE FUND BALANCE AMOUNTS ARE.

SO IN PREPARING THE BUDGET, WHAT WE DO IS WE ASK DEPARTMENTS TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS YEAR.

'CAUSE THE YEAR'S NOT COMPLETE YET.

UM, AND THIS IS A COMPARISON OF HOW MUCH WAS BUDGETED FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 AND HOW MUCH THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE ESTIMATED.

UM, AND THEY'RE KIND OF CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR ESTIMATES AS FAR AS ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND SOMETHING THAT MAYBE IT DOESN'T GET SPENT.

SO HISTORICALLY, HOW MUCH THEY'VE ESTIMATED THEY WOULD SPEND IN THAT YEAR ENDS UP COMING IN A LITTLE BIT LESS.

AND IT VARIES HOW MUCH THAT THAT DIFFERENCE IS, DEPENDING UPON HOW MUCH IS GOING ON.

BUT, UM, OF THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET OF 85.8 MILLION, UM, THE ESTIMATE IS THAT WE WOULD SPEND 72 MILLION OF THAT A DIFFERENCE OF 13.7 MILLION OR 16% ON THE CIP SIDE.

THE BUDGET WAS 33.6 MILLION.

THE ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH IS GOING TO BE SPENT IS 26.1 DIFFERENCE IS 7.5 MILLION 22%.

UM, THAT'S ONE THAT I DO THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE FINAL RESULTS COME IN LOWER, UM, THAN THAT, UH, NON CIP EXPENDITURES.

SO BASICALLY THE OPERATING BUDGET AT 52.2 MILLION, ESTIMATING 46, UH, MILLION 6.1 MILLION DIFFERENCE.

AND WE HAD SOME PRETTY HEFTY, UM, CONTINGENCIES

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SO THAT'S A VERY BIG PART OF THAT DIFFERENCE RELATED TO ARPA AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THE EXPENDITURES BY TYPE.

SO THIS IS, UM, ORGANIZED BASED OFF OF, UM, WITH THE OPERATING BUDGET, STARTING WITH ONGOING COSTS.

HOW MUCH IS PERSONNEL, HOW MUCH IS OPERATIONS, HOW, UM, GOING FROM FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET TO WHAT THE BASE BUDGET IS FOR FISCAL YEAR 25? UM, WHEN WE TELL DEPARTMENTS FOR YOUR BASE BUDGET, WE SAY WHATEVER LEVEL OF SERVICE YOU'RE PROVIDING NOW, THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE PUTTING IN YOUR BASE BUDGET.

IF YOU WANT TO ENHANCE LEVEL OF SERVICE OR ADD A NEW SERVICE, IT SHOULD GO INTO A DECISION PACKAGE.

SO, UM, BETWEEN PERSONNEL AND OPERATIONS, UM, THE INCREASE TO MAINTAIN, UM, LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, WAS ESTIMATED AT A 10% INCREASE.

THERE'S 998,000 IN DECISION PACKAGES TO BRING THE, THE OPERATIONAL ONGOING COST TO 40 MILLION, THE ONE-TIME PORTION OF THE COST.

SO, UM, THE BIG PART OF WHAT'S IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET AMOUNT OF THAT 1.3 IN PERSONNEL WITH 1.2 MILLION WAS THE ONE TIME CONTRIBUTION TO P-S-P-R-S UNFUNDED.

UM, AND THEN THE, UM, OTHER OPERATIONAL COSTS.

SO FROM A BASE BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, THOSE ONE TIME COSTS WERE GOING DOWN 32%, BUT THEN WE'RE ADDING 1.7 MILLION, UM, THROUGH DECISION PACKAGES, INCLUDING THE 1.5, UM, TO, UM, THE P-S-P-R-S UNFUNDED FOR A TOTAL OF THE ONE TIME COST OF FIVE POINT, UM, 4 MILLION.

SO OF ALL OF THOSE OPERATIONAL COSTS, UM, IT'S A CHANGE OF 5% INCREASE AT THE BASE BUDGET LEVEL, A TOTAL OF 2.7 MILLION IN THE DECISION PACKAGES OR DEBT SERVICE.

UM, AND THIS IS THE BOND PAYMENTS.

SO THIS IS GOING DOWN, UM, 197,000 OR 3% FOR THE CONTINGENCIES WE'RE DROPPING THAT DRAMATICALLY.

IT WAS AT 3.3 MILLION GOING DOWN TO 957,000.

SO IT'S 71% DECREASE.

SO FOR THE GRAND TOTAL ON THE OPERATING BUDGET SIDE, THE BASE BUDGET WAS GOING DOWN 1% AND THEN ADDING IN THE 2.7 OF THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR AN OPERATING BUDGET OF 54 MILLION ON THE CIP SIDE.

UM, SO FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET WAS 33 MILLION.

THE UM, AMOUNT IN THE BUDGET FOR UH, FISCAL YEAR 25 IS 46 MILLION.

SO A $12 MILLION INCREASE OF 37%.

SO GRAND TOTAL ON THE BUDGET FROM FISCAL YEAR 24 TO FISCAL YEAR 25 BASE IS AN INCREASE OF 11 MILLION OR 14%.

AND THEN ADDING ON THOSE RECOMMENDED DECISION PACKAGES OF 2.7 GETS US TO A HUNDRED MILLION.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGES WITHIN EACH DEPARTMENT, BUT THIS IS AN OVERALL BIG PICTURE.

LOOK AT WHAT THE CHANGES ARE IN THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES.

UM, FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET FOR ALL THE SALARY AND BENEFIT AMOUNTS WAS ABOUT 20 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 GOING TO, UM, ABOUT 22 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDES THE DECISION PACKAGES OF 2.2 MILLION.

WHICH OF THAT AMOUNT, 1.5 MILLION IS RELATED TO THE P-S-P-R-S ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTION.

UM, THE NET OF ALL THE OTHER WAGE ALLOWANCE AND OTHER POSITION ADJUSTMENTS, UM, 923,000, UM, DECREASE, UM, OF THE, BECAUSE THE DECISION PACKAGE INCLUDES THE 1.5 MILLION.

SO WE HAVE, WE'RE SHOWING HERE SEPARATELY LAST YEAR'S ONE TIME CONTRIBUTION TO P-S-P-R-S OF THE 1.2 MILLION.

UM, SO ALL THE OTHER OPERATIONAL SUPPLIES SERVICES, UM, THAT ARE IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, UM, FISCAL YEAR 24 AMOUNT WAS 21 MILLION, GOING TO 23 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

THERE'S DECISION PACKAGES OF, UH, 488, 480 5,000.

UM, THE INCREASE FOR THE IN-HOUSE TOURISM BUREAU IS ABOUT 248,000.

UM, IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET, WE HAD IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WE ALREADY KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO SPEND AND THEN SET ASIDE THE REMAINDER OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CHAMBER CONTRACT AMOUNT AND WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED AND A CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT.

AND SO SOME OF THAT MONEY HAS, UM, BEEN ALLOCATED.

THERE'S STILL 568,000, UM, IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 CONTINGENCY THAT WE HAVE NOT ALLOCATED TO, UM, ANYTHING WITHIN THE, IN-HOUSE TOURISM BUREAU, UM, INCREASE FOR, UH, PUBLIC TRANSIT, UM, INCLUDING THE VERDE SHUTTLE.

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SO THE VERDE SHUTTLE AMOUNT, UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY, I BELIEVE IT WAS 65,000 THAT WE'RE ESTIMATING INCREASE FOR THE VERDE SHUTTLE PORTION.

I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION, I'M SORRY, JESSICA.

WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THE INCREASES ARE NEW PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE TAKEN ON TRANSIT TOURISM.

WE INCREASE SMALL GRANT, SO, AND THOSE, A LOT OF THE DECISION PACKAGES ARE SERVICING, YOU KNOW, OUR INCREASED SERVICE LEVELS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING.

I JUST WANTED TO TO POINT THAT OUT THAT, UM, IT'S A BIG BUDGET, BUT WE'VE ALSO DECIDED TO DO A LOT MORE THAN WE'VE EVER DONE BEFORE.

AND WE KNEW THAT TOURISM AND TRANSIT, OR I KNEW I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, THANK YOU, WOULD BE BIG INCREASES AND THEY WILL BE CONTINUALLY BIG INCREASES.

THEY WILL INCREASE OUR BUDGET PERMANENTLY.

THEY'RE NOT A ONE-TIME THING.

PRIORITIES, THAT'S WHERE A HUGE CHUNK OF THE MONEY IS GOING.

UM, WITHIN STREETS MAINTENANCE, UM, SOME OF THOSE, UM, OPERATING COSTS PLUS SOME OF THE INCREASES IN THE ONE-TIME COST FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.

AND KURT HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, INCREASE WITH THE STREET REHAB PROGRAM.

SO, UM, THAT ALL ADDS UP TO ABOUT 385,000 INCREASE FOR THAT, UM, INCREASES IN, UH, THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

AND THAT DOES INCLUDE OUR UTILITY COSTS, UM, ABOUT 110,000.

UM, WE DO OUR INDIRECT COST ALLOCATIONS, UM, WHICH HELPS TO FUND OUR, UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FUND, UM, AND HELP FUND THAT EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE.

AND SO THOSE, UM, INCREASED 297,000, THE ADDITION TO THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM, 150,000 MISCELLANEOUS INCREASES TO GET US TO THAT TOTAL ON THE DEBT SERVICE CHANGES.

UM, SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE IN THE BUDGET GOING FROM 7.4 TO 7.2.

UM, WE, UM, ARE PAYING OFF THE FINAL PAYMENT FOR THE SERIES 1998 BONDS FOR THE WASTEWATER, UM, THIS YEAR.

SO ELIMINATING THAT BOND PAYMENT, BUT THE WAY THAT THE SERIES 2021 BONDS, WHICH ARE ALSO WASTEWATER WERE STRUCTURED, WAS THAT ONCE THAT GOT PAID OFF, THEN THERE WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN HOW MUCH WE WERE PAYING.

SO IT KIND OF BALANCED OUT THOSE AMOUNTS.

UM, SO THE SERIES 2021 PAYMENT OF 4.1, UM, ON THE CONTINGENCIES, SO GOING FROM THE 3.3 MILLION TO ABOUT 957,000.

SO, UM, I HAD SAID EARLIER THE, UM, WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IN THE CONTINGENCY FOR THE TOURISM INITIATIVES OF 568,000, SO THAT WOULD BE REMOVED, UM, AND ELIMINATING THE ARPA CONTINGENCY AMOUNT OF, UM, 1.8 MILLION ON, UH, THIS SLIDE WITH THE CIP CHANGES.

SO THIS IS LOOKING AT BY CATEGORY.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FULL LIST, WE CATEGORIZE EVERYTHING AS TO, UM, ARTS AND CULTURE SIM PROJECTS, STORM DRAINAGE PROJECTS.

SO THIS GIVES YOU, UH, BASED OFF OF CATEGORY WHERE THE CHANGES ARE AT.

UM, SO, UH, THE REALLY BIG ONE THERE THAT YOU SEE IS, UM, SEDONA AND MOTION INCREASE OF 10 MILLION.

UM, PART OF THAT IS THE GARAGE, BUT ALSO PART OF IT IS JUST SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ROLLING IN AS OTHER ONES ARE, UM, UM, GETTING FINALIZED.

UM, THE OTHER, UM, LARGER AMOUNT WOULD BE THE WASTEWATER, UM, 2.9 MILLION.

UM, SO A BIG PART OF THAT IS THE, UM, TREATMENT PROCESS UPGRADES THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE STARTING.

UH, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON DESIGN AND BE STARTING ON THOSE, UM, UPGRADES IN 25.

SO WE LIKE TO TAKE THE AMOUNTS, UM, THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET RELATED TO COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE IN THERE.

AND THIS TIME I ADDED, UM, A COMPARISON TO THE, THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET AMOUNT.

UM, AND SO FOR, UM, TRAFFIC TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, SO THIS IS BASICALLY YOUR STEM PROJECTS.

SO WHAT'S IN THE, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET IS 31 MILLION COMPARED TO FISCAL YEAR 24, WHICH WAS AT ABOUT 20 MILLION.

SO OF THE

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UM, PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM.

SO, UM, WHEN YOU ADD UP THE CIP PROJECTS, THE OPERATIONAL COSTS, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE GOING FROM 4.6 MILLION TO THE 5 MILLION, UM, AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS, I ALWAYS HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH THAT WORD.

UM, SO ALL THE VARIOUS, UM, ASPECTS OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT BUDGET AS FAR AS LIKE THE HOUSING FUND, THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, THE CDBG GRANT FOR STEPS TO RECOVERY, THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK, UM, GRANT FUNDING THAT'S IN, IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.

UM, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE 1.3 MILLION TO THE 1.2.

UM, YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE STEPS TO RECOVERY THAT THOSE TWO AMOUNTS ARE THE SAME.

IT WAS BUDGETED TO HAPPEN IN FISCAL YEAR 24, AND SHANNON HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT.

AND SO WE'RE BASICALLY CARRYING OVER THAT BUDGET INTO FISCAL YEAR 25.

UM, AND THEN THE AMOUNT AND THE BALANCE SHEET LOANS WOULD BE THE SAME FOR BOTH YEARS, THE 18.9.

SO OF THAT AMOUNT, 400,000 IS FOR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THE REMAINDER IS FOR, UM, HOUSING PROJECT LOANS FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN GOAL.

UM, SO WE IDENTIFY IN THE CIP PROJECTS, PROJECTS THAT HELP FURTHER, UM, THAT, UM, HEADING TOWARDS THAT GOAL.

UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF THE CIP PROJECTS AND YOUR CIP SUMMARY, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE CODING ON THERE, WHICH ONES WE'RE CALLING ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY PROJECTS.

UM, SO THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THIS AMOUNT.

UM, THE ACTUAL SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, UM, BUDGETED COSTS ARE IN HERE.

THE PUBLIC WORKS AMOUNT IS RELATED TO THE, UM, CURBSIDE YARD WASTE, UM, PROGRAM COLLECTION PROGRAM.

AND THEN GENERAL SERVICES IS, UM, SEDONA RECYCLES AND I AM FORGETTING WHAT THE OTHER ONE, THE OTHER AMOUNT IS, IT'S OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UM, BUT THAT'S GOING FROM 17 MILLION TO ABOUT 19 MILLION.

UM, BROADBAND, UM, AS KAREN HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING HAVING ANY CITY MONEY CONTRIBUTED TO TOWARDS THE ACTUAL BROADBAND, BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR A CONSULTANT TO HELP US THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND NOT CHARGING US VERY MUCH .

UM, THE CULTURAL PARK PLANNING, UM, AND OTHER PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS.

SO IN THE CIP PROJECTS, UM, THERE REALLY WASN'T ANYTHING.

UM, BUDGET FOR 25.

IT IS IN THE, IN THE CIP PLAN FOR THE 10 YEARS, BUT NOTHING IN 25.

UM, BUT THE, UM, PLANNING PROCESS IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUDGET, UM, ABOUT 121,000, THE, UH, MANAGING IMPACT FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS, THAT'S OLD.

I DIDN'T UPDATE THAT.

IT'S NO LONGER CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

IT'S CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.

UM, SO, UM, NOT A LOT OF CHANGE THERE.

GOING FROM 256 TO 255,000, THE, UM, CITY TOURISM BUREAU MANAGEMENT.

SO THERE ARE COSTS IN THE CITY, IS THAT WHAT WE CAME UP WITH? C PROGRAM? YES.

UH, THERE ARE COSTS IN IT RELATED TO THE VARIOUS SOFTWARE PROGRAMS AND, UM, THE TRANSIT.

UM, SO WE DID INCLUDE MONIES, UM, FOR TRANSIT IN THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, 24 BUDGET.

UM, THE MULTIMEDIA SCREENS WE SAID WE WERE GONNA PAY FROM THAT AMOUNT.

AND, UM, AND I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS, UM, THAT THEY, THEY'RE COSTING MORE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.

OH, AND I, AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME MARKETING COSTS IN THERE, SO GOING FROM ABOUT 1.3 MILLION TO THE 2 MILLION, UM, THE AIRPORT.

UM, SO THEY'RE EXPECTED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CARRYOVER, UH, FOR THE AIRPORT EVALUATION OF 10,000.

WE'LL SEE THAT WHEN, WHAT'S THE ANDY, THE AIRPORT EVALUATION? DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WILL COME TO COUNCIL? YEAH, SO WE JUST FINALLY RECEIVED, UM, THE FINAL COMPONENT DRAFT COMPONENT OF THAT ASSESSMENT A FEW WEEKS AGO.

A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE DRAFTS THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED, GIVEN FEEDBACK TO THE CONSULTANT, AND WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE FINAL DRAFT FROM THE CONSULTANT ON THAT.

SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S TAKEN MUCH LONGER OBVIOUSLY, THAN WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME ISSUES GOING ON WITH THE AIRPORT THAT'S CAUSED US TO NOT GET IN TOO MUCH OF A, A HURRY ON GETTING THAT COMPLETED.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO WANTED, UH, TO GIVE ANNETTE, ANNETTE A CHANCE TO GET HERE AND SETTLE IN AND BE ABLE TO REVIEW THESE DOCUMENTS.

AND I'VE, I WAS HOPING TO GIVE HER SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST THE DRAFTS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'VE PROVIDED HER AT THIS POINT.

AND

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WE'RE SCHEDULED TO, TO GO OVER THAT TOGETHER NEXT WEEK.

SO WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD KNOW MORE AFTER THAT POINT ABOUT WHAT, WHAT, UH, OUR SCHEDULE WILL LOOK LIKE TO GET THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF COUNSEL.

YOU BET.

UM, ON THE REVENUES, SO HERE'S A SUMMARY FOR YOU ON THIS.

UM, THE AMOUNT BUDGETED FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 FOR SALES TAX WAS 30 MILLION.

UM, IN THE 25 BUDGET, UM, WE'VE GOT 33 MILLION, UH, INCREASE OF, UM, 2.8 FOR BUDGET, UM, COMPARED TO BUDGET, UH, 9% INCREASE BED TAX GOING FROM ABOUT 8 MILLION TO 9.2.

UM, 15% INCREASE THE STATE SHARED REVENUES.

UM, BIG PART OF THAT DECREASE IS RELATED TO, UM, WHAT WE REFER TO AS URBAN REVENUE SHARING, WHICH IS THE SHARED STATE INCOME TAX.

UM, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT HOW THE MONIES ARE NOT COMING IN, UM, AS EXPECTED.

UM, THEY GOT A LITTLE PROBABLY TOO AGGRESSIVE IN THEIR PLAN OF REDUCING TAXES.

UM, AND SO IT DIDN'T WORK OUT THE WAY THAT THEY HAD HOPED AND WE'RE EXPECTING SOME DECREASES THERE.

UM, THEN, UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONGOING REVENUES, SO WE ARE, UM, FROM BUDGET TO BUDGET SHOWING A $3 MILLION INCREASE OR 5%, UM, ON ONE-TIME REVENUES.

SO A LOT OF THAT'S THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL, UH, REVENUES.

SO THOSE ARE, UM, GOING UP ABOUT 248,000, UH, OR 4%.

UM, SO GRAND TOTAL ON THE REVENUES WE'RE, UM, PROJECTING AN INCREASE OF 5%.

UM, HERE'S A LITTLE MORE, UM, DETAIL ON THE REVENUE INCREASES.

SO, UM, GOING FROM THE 66 UH, MILLION TO THE 69 MILLION, UM, THE PORTION THAT IS RELATED TO THAT STATE SHARED, UM, INCOME TAX IS A DECREASE OF 672,000.

UM, WE ARE, UM, ONLY HAVING THE BUDGET 150 FOR THE YAVAPAI COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND IF WE PUSH THE ONE PROJECT, UM, OUT OF FISCAL YEAR 25, AND THAT ELIMINATES THAT EVEN, UM, UH, SOME DECREASE IN HOW MUCH WE WERE GETTING IN THE OPERATING GRANTS FOR TRANSIT.

UM, AND THE CIP GRANTS, ADDING IN THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK, UM, GRANT, UM, WE ARE, UM, BUDGETING FOR RECEIVING THE 900,000 FOR, UM, OUR CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED FUNDING FOR THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.

UM, THAT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS AND IT'S VERY COMMON FOR, UM, THINGS TO TAKE A WHILE GOING THROUGH FEMA ON GETTING MONEY.

AND UM, SO THE LAST I HEARD, UM, ANDY, THE, THE 900,000 FOR THE PD EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, WE THINK IT'LL HAPPEN SOMEWHAT SOON.

YES, WE'RE WAITING ON A FINAL INSPECTION BY A EDEMA, ESSENTIALLY THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AND THAT IS NEXT WEEK, AS I RECALL, IT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.

SO ONCE WE HAVE THAT FINAL INSPECTION, WE EXPECT THE MONEY SHOULD COME THROUGH SHORTLY AFTER THAT.

GOOD VICE MAYOR.

SO THEY PAY US AFTER THE FACT.

IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT.

YEAH, IT IS.

YEAH, MOST GRANTS ARE THAT WAY.

YEAH, MOST GRANTS ARE REIMBURSEMENT.

VERY RARELY DO WE GET THEM IN ADVANCE, BUT WE APPLIED FOR IT BEFORE.

HOW IS FISCAL YEAR 22? IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO.

HOPEFULLY WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE MARCH REPORT.

YEAH, IT TAKES A LONG TIME.

UM, OKAY, SO, UM, HERE'S THE LATEST ON THE SALES AND BED TAX, UM, REVENUE AS OF, UM, FEBRUARY, WE ARE, UM, FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, JULY THROUGH FEBRUARY, WE ARE 5% AHEAD OF LAST YEAR ON OUR SALES TAX.

8% AHEAD ON OUR BED TAX COMPARED TO BUDGET, WE'RE AHEAD.

UM, 10% COMPARED TO BUDGET ON THE SALES TAX AND 19% ON BED TAX.

UM, IN THE EMAIL THAT I HAD SENT OUT TO COUNSEL.

UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, THE FEBRUARY AMOUNTS, UM, WERE JUST THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.

FEBRUARY SALES TAX WAS DOWN 2% AND BED TAX WAS DOWN 4%.

BUT THERE WERE, UM, SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, DELINQUENT, UH, AMOUNTS, AMOUNTS THAT WERE NOT PAID DURING FEBRUARY THAT WERE OWED, UM, FOR THAT MONTH.

UM, THAT

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UM, PLUS THERE WAS SOME, UH, REFUNDS FOR SOME OLDER PERIODS THAT GOT PROCESSED BY A DOR DURING THAT POINT IN TIME.

SO IF WE HAD, UM, RECEIVED THE MONEY, UM, THE DELINQUENT AMOUNTS TIMELY, AND IF THOSE REFUNDS HAD HAPPENED IN THOSE PERIODS WHEN, UM, THOSE AMOUNTS ACTUALLY INCURRED, WE WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, UP 10% ON SALES TAX AND 22% ON BED TAX.

SO, UM, THAT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

UM, UH, IMPACT OF, OF WHAT, WHAT ACTUALLY WAS FEBRUARY ACTIVITY.

UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK SOME OF THIS IS RELATED TO THE, THE WINTER CAMPAIGN THAT WAS DONE TO HELP, UM, DRIVE SOME OF THAT, BUT ALSO I BELIEVE THERE WAS, UM, A FAIR AMOUNT OF OTHER ADVERTISING BESIDES WITH THE CITY WAS DOING AS WELL.

UM, SO, UM, HERE'S A RECAP ON THE TRANSFERS THAT WE DO BETWEEN FUNDS.

SO THESE ARE NOT PART OF REVENUES, THEY'RE NOT PART OF EXPENDITURES, THEY'RE THEIR OWN SEPARATE CATEGORY FOR THESE TRANSFERS.

SO IN TOTAL, TRANSFERRING BETWEEN FUNDS, UM, 23 MILLION, THE, UM, GENERAL FUND, UM, IS BASICALLY HELPING TO SUPPORT, CONTRIBUTE TO OTHER FUNDS.

UM, $8 MILLION.

THE, UM, STREETS FUND IS FOR, UM, MONEY THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE WHERE THEY'RE SHARING GAS TAX MONEY, THEY CALL IT HF, HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUND MONIES.

AND IT'S NEVER ENOUGH TO COVER, UM, WHAT OUR COSTS ARE.

AND UM, EVERY MONDAY THEY HAVE, THE LEAGUE HAS A CALL WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTORS IN ADDITION TO LIKE OTHER CALLS WITH THE CLERKS AND THE INNER GOVS AND EVERYBODY.

BUT, UM, ON THE CALL FOR THE FINANCE DIRECTORS, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STATE BUDGET AND, UM, WHAT THE STATE MAY OR MAY NOT DO, AND SAID THAT HERF COULD POTENTIALLY BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THEY CAN ATTACK THAT MONEY THAT THEY'RE GIVING US AGAIN.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? THE LEAGUE IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO ABOUT THE ELECTRIC CARS TO START TAXING THOSE ON CHARGING TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN LOST REVENUE.

UM, IS THAT CORRECT? I, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE, ARE WANTING TO SEE, RIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS REALLY ANYTHING PROPOSED OTHER THAN TRYING TO LIMIT THE ABILITY OF HOW THAT COULD BE DONE.

UM, BUT YES, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE MONEY COLLECTED FROM GAS TAX WOULD, UM, CONTINUE TO DECREASE AS MORE AND MORE ELECTRICS AND HYBRIDS, UM, ARE BEING UTILIZED AND LESS MONEY IS SPENT, UM, FOR GAS POWERED VEHICLES.

BUT THEY, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TAX THE ELECTRIC TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.

UM, BUT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE PIE GOING DOWN, BUT THE STATE IS TALKING ABOUT TAKING SOME OUT OF THE CITY AND TOWN PIE.

OH, THAT, OKAY.

TO HELP BALANCE THEIR BUDGET.

SO, BASED OFF OF THE ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW OF HOW MUCH WE WOULD GET IN OUR HERF MONIES, UM, GENERAL FUND WOULD NEED TO CONTRIBUTE 1.9 MILLION, UM, TO HELP BALANCE OUT THE STREETS FUND.

UM, WE HAD SET MANY YEARS AGO NOW, UM, THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE HOUSING FUND AT HALF A MILLION EACH YEAR, BASICALLY SAYING THAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN INCREASES IN OUR BED TAXES SHOULD HELP TO SUPPORT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM.

UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE ALSO SAID WE WANT TO JUST HAVE, UH, A SET AMOUNT THAT WE WERE TRANSFERRING INTO OUR CAPITAL RESERVES EVERY YEAR.

SO WE'VE GOT THE 2.5 MILLION GOING INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND.

UM, THE PORTION GOING INTO THE PUBLIC TRANSIT FUND IS RELATED TO THE VERDE SHUTTLE COSTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY BEFORE WE HAD A PUBLIC TRANSIT FUND IN THE GENERAL FUND.

SO THE GENERAL FUND IS STILL PAYING FOR THOSE COSTS, BUT PUTTING ALL OF OUR TRANSIT COSTS TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE, UM, FOR, UM, UH, INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, WASTEWATER, 3 MILLION GOING INTO THE WASTEWATER FUND.

UM, AND THEN IN THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET, IT'LL DROP DOWN TO 2.9.

AND THEN IN THE FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET, THE SUBSIDY WILL BE NO MORE.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

JESSICA.

DOES IT MAKE SENSE GIVEN THE DIFFICULTY IN HOUSING TO PUT THE 500,000 IN THE HOUSING FUND? IT'S COVERING LIKE OPERATIONAL COSTS, LIKE, UM, SHANNON AND JEANIE'S SALARY AND THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM AND OH, IT PAYS FOR SALARIES.

AND DONATIONS, UM, AND RESTRICTED FUNDS, THE 1.9 MILLION GOING TO THE WASTEWATER, SO THAT'S THE BALANCE OF THE ARPA MONIES, THE, UM, TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND.

UM, IN THE GRANTS

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UM, SO, UM, THE HALF CENT SALES TAX FOR THE SIM, WE HAVE THE SIM TAX FUND, AND THEN WE ALLOCATE THROUGH THESE TRANSFERS WHERE IT GOES.

SO THE PORTION THAT'S RELATED TO SIM CIP PROJECTS, UM, IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET, UM, WE'RE ALLOCATING 8 MILLION THERE.

AND THEN FOR BOTH OPERATIONAL AND CIP PROJECTS IN THE TRANSIT FUND, 4.1 MILLION, UM, IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND TRANSFERS TO THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES.

UM, THAT IS, UM, THE 1.3 MILLION IS THE PORTION OF THE SERIES 2022 BOND MONIES THAT, UM, 25 MILLION BOND ISSUANCE THAT WE DID, UM, TO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING SPLIT BETWEEN THE CIP AND THE THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE MONIES.

[3.f. An overview of the Fund Summaries will be presented and discussed.]

WE HAVE 830,000 FOR AN OPERATING RESERVE, FULLY FUNDED THE REHAB, UM, PRESERVATION, UH, PAYMENT PRESERVATION RESERVE.

SO GOING TO THE FUNDS, UM, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT GENERAL FUND FIRST.

UM, THESE ARE A SEPARATE SECTION IN YOUR BOOK.

THE TAB IS CALLED FUND SUMMARIES, AND I'VE GOT THE PAGE NUMBERS ON HERE AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL, UM, FUND STATEMENTS.

UM, IN THE SLIDES, I HAVE SOME SUMMARIZED INFORMATION FOR YOU.

UM, FOR GENERAL FUND, WE LOOK AT HOW WE'RE DOING ON OUR ONGOING REVENUES COMPARED TO OUR ONGOING EXPENDITURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.

ONGOING REVENUES ARE, UM, BUDGETED AT 45.8 MILLION.

ONGOING EXPENDITURES ARE BUDGET 27.1.

UM, BECAUSE THE DEBT SERVICE IS GOING ON FOR A WHILE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY IN OUR ONGOING TO HELP COVER THOSE COSTS.

SO THAT'S ABOUT 2.3 MILLION.

AND THEN THESE ONGOING TRANSFERS TO THE OTHER FUNDS THAT WE'RE DOING OF 8.3.

SO THAT GIVES US A NET FROM OUR ONGOING REVENUES TO OUR ONGOING EXPENDITURES OF 8 MILLION.

SO THAT 8 MILLION GOES TO HELP COVER SOME OF THE ONE-TIME COSTS IN THE GENERAL FUND AND ANYTHING THAT THAT DOESN'T COVER.

UM, AND THEN ONE TIME TRANSFERS, IF ANY ONE TIME TRANSFERS WE MIGHT HAVE, UM, AND THEN GOES TOWARDS, UM, SURPLUS AMOUNTS BEYOND THAT.

SO, UM, YOU DO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND, UM, GOING FROM 8.4 TO 8 MILLION ON THAT BOTTOM LINE.

IN LOOKING AT THE FUND BALANCES FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

SO GENERAL FUND OPERATING RESERVE CALCULATES OUT AT 8.8 MILLION, WHICH WOULD BE A FULLY FUNDED RESERVE.

THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE 2 MILLION, IT IS FULLY FUNDED BASED ON OUR POLICY REQUIREMENTS.

WHEN WE FIRST SET UP THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVES, WE SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA FULLY FUND THEM.

DAY ONE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT IS AN ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION? AND SO THAT'S WHAT OUR POLICY IS BASED ON, IS THAT WE DO AN ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION, UM, TO GET THAT TO A POINT TO WHERE, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN IF WE HAD ALWAYS HAD AN EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE.

UM, ALSO BUILT IN HERE IS A LOAN TO THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE FUNDS.

UM, THE WAY THAT THE RATE STUDY, UM, DEVELOPS THE RATES IS LOOKING AT A 10 YEAR PERIOD.

WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS FRONT LOADED IN THE EARLY YEARS, BUT THE RATE STUDY IS WHAT DO THE FEES NEED TO BE IN ORDER TO COLLECT THE MONEY OVER 10 YEARS, WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY BEFORE WE ACTUALLY COLLECT IT.

WE END UP IN A DEFICIT.

SO THE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOAN TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE FUNDS 2.8 MILLION, UM, AFTER THESE RESERVES THAT LEAVES 18.4 MILLION.

UM, AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT SURPLUSES HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, THERE WOULD BE, UM, FISCAL YEAR 23 REMAINING SURPLUS OF 4.3 MILLION.

THAT ASSUMES THAT THE 1.5 MILLION FOR THE P-S-P-R-S UNFUNDED LIABILITY CONTRIBUTION, UM, UH, WOULD BE APPROVED.

THE, UM, ESTIMATED FISCAL YEAR 24 SURPLUS 11.1.

SO YEAH, I SAW THAT.

UH, THIS IS BASED OFF OF AN ESTIMATE.

UM, THE WAY THAT SALES AND BED TECHS ARE COMING IN RIGHT NOW COMPARED TO WHEN WE WERE FIRST PREPARING THE BUDGET, SALES AND BED TAX WILL POSSIBLY BEAT, UM, WHAT THE ESTIMATE IS.

AND THEN THE, ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WHEN DEPARTMENTS ARE PREPARING THEIR ESTIMATES OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND, A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T SPEND AS MUCH AS THEY ESTIMATED.

SO THAT SURPLUS COULD BE A LITTLE, A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT.

SO, UM, FISCAL YEAR 25 SURPLUS.

THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE BUDGETED RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ESTIMATING, UM, 3 MILLION SURPLUS.

UM, SO YOU CAN SEE A, A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DROP IN THE SURPLUS AND MOVING ON TO THE STREETS FUND.

SO THE RESERVES THAT WE HAVE IN THE STREETS FUND,

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SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE, UH, LOOKED AT WHEN THE, UM, ESTIMATE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO FOUR TO FIVE MILES PER YEAR.

UM, BUT THEY DON'T GO, OH, WE HIT THE FIVE MILE MARK.

I KNOW THERE'S ONLY THIS LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO GO.

THEY DON'T JUST STOP AND SAY, WELL, WE HIT OUR FIVE MILES.

THEY, THEY LOOK AT CHUNKS.

AND SO SOME YEARS IT'S MORE, SOME YEARS IT'S LESS.

AND SO THIS IS AN, AN ATTEMPT AT SAYING, OKAY, WHEN WE HIT A YEAR WHERE WE'RE AT A, A PEAK COMPARED TO WHERE OUR AVERAGE IS, THAT WE HAVE THIS CUSHION.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT 300,000 IS, IS ATTEMPTING TO DO.

UM, THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE IN THE STREETS FUND, UM, FULLY FUNDED BASED ON THE POLICY OF 194,000 HOUSING FUND.

SO THE HOUSING FUND WAS ONE THAT I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT ONGOING REVENUES VERSUS ONGOING EXPENDITURES.

SO ON THE REVENUE SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE REVENUES ARE GOING DOWN.

UM, AS OF JULY ONE, SHANNON IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OURS, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS WE'RE NOT GETTING MONEY FROM CITY OF COTTONWOOD TO HELP COVER HER SALARY.

UM, SO OTHER, UH, REVENUES, UM, INTEREST IN SUCH, UM, 76,000 ONGOING TRANSFERS, UM, 500,000 AND THE EXPENDITURES WITHIN THE FUND FOR THE ONGOING EXPENDITURES AT 519.

SO THAT PUTS US AT A NET, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 AT 57,000.

UM, THERE ARE NO POLICY RESERVE AMOUNTS FOR THE HOUSING FUND.

UM, AND MAYBE AT SOME POINT, UM, THERE MAY BE A DESIRE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RESERVE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE.

UH, ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE AMOUNTS FOR THE LOANS, UM, IS THE ONLY RESERVES THAT WE HAVE SET UP BASED OFF OF, UM, WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.

AND WE WENT THROUGH THOSE EARLIER.

UH, THE GRANTS DONATIONS, RESTRICTED FUNDS.

SO, UM, IT HAS ESTIMATED AN ENDING BALANCE OF 348,000.

UM, THESE ARE MONIES THE AUTOMATICALLY JUST CARRY OVER TO THE NEXT YEAR FOR WHATEVER THE PURPOSE WAS.

SO, UM, WHATEVER WE HAVE LEFT OF OUR RICO MONIES, IT STAYS IN THE RICO, UM, PROGRAM AND CARRIES OVER TO THE NEXT YEAR.

UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, TRANSPORTATION, SALES TAX FUND.

SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE'RE AT IS, UM, BASICALLY SPENDING THE BALANCE DOWN TO ZERO.

AND IN YOUR BOOK YOU'LL SEE IT'S, UM, LIKE 64,000 OF A DEFICIT.

AND THAT WAS JUST 'CAUSE I WAS USING ESTIMATES TO TRY AND, AND GET THE FUND BALANCED.

AND THE NUMBERS KIND OF CHANGED ON ME A LITTLE BIT AS I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE TRANSFERS AND THE HOW MUCH OF CIP SHOULD BE FROM SIM AND HOW MUCH SHOULD BE FROM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

SO THAT'LL GET FIXED IN THE NEXT ROUND.

UM, I DO HAVE NOTES HERE.

UM, SO THERE'S, UH, 2 MILLION, UM, IN PROJECTS THAT WOULD NOT BE FUNDED.

UM, REVENUES FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, UM, TO COVER THE COSTS OF HOW WE PROJECTED THE LONG RANGE PLAN.

BUT THAT MEANS TAKING 13.1 MILLION OF CIP PROJECTS AND USING THE UNRESTRICTED CAPITAL RESERVES INSTEAD OF SIMAX.

'CAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH SIMAX MONEY TO COVER WHAT'S IN THE CIP PLAN AS IT IS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND.

SO, UM, THE BALANCE WOULD BE, UM, UH, SO IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE WHAT THE CAPITAL RESERVE SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE 16.7 MILLION, BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE FULLY FUNDED.

WE WOULD BE SHORT 8.6 MILLION TO MEET WHAT OUR POLICY SAYS OUR, UM, CAPITAL RESERVE SHOULD HAVE.

SO THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SURPLUSES THAT, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO ADD MORE, UM, TO THIS IF, UNLESS WE CHANGE THINGS IN THE CIP PLAN, UM, TO, IN ORDER TO MEET OUR POLICY REQUIREMENT DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE FUNDS.

SO I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO A LOAN OF 2.8 MILLION, UM, AND THAT WOULD COVER THE FISCAL YEAR 24 COSTS AND ABOUT 1 MILLION FOR, UM, FISCAL YEAR 25 COSTS OUT OF DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FUNDS, THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES FUND.

SO WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT, UM, WE HAVE A ORDINANCE HERE IN THE CITY WHERE WE TAKE 1% OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, UM, TO PUT IN THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES FUND AND WE USE

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THE UNRESTRICTED CAPITAL RESERVE.

WE CAN'T TAKE 1% OF A GRANT THAT DOESN'T HAVE PROVISIONS FOR US UTILIZING THAT.

SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST THE CAPITAL RESERVE FUNDED PROJECTS.

WE TAKE 1%, UM, AND PUT IT IN ART AND PUBLIC PLACES FUND.

WE ALSO HAVE A REQUIREMENT, UM, BASED OFF OF, UM, A SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WOULD PAY IF THEY DON'T INCLUDE PUBLIC ART IN THEIR PROJECTS THAT THEY WOULD PAY TOWARDS THIS FUND ONCE IN A WHILE.

WE GET THOSE IN LIEU FEES.

A LOT OF TIMES THEY INCLUDE, UM, THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT IN THEIR PROJECT, UM, BASED OFF OF BUDGET, I'M SHOWING THAT WE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.

I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED TO THE LAST FEW YEARS ABOUT WE MIGHT NEED TO DO A LOAN TO THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES FUND, AND THEN THINGS KIND OF TOOK LONGER THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD WITH GETTING THE ART INSTALLED.

AND THE WAY IT'S PROJECTED RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT MONEY, BUT THIS ASSUMES THAT THE CIP PROJECTS PROCEED THE WAY THAT THEY'RE BUDGETED.

SO WE STILL MAY NEED TO DO A LOAN TO THE ART OF A CHOICES FUND FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO COVER THAT DIFFERENCE IF WE DON'T ACTUALLY SPEND MONEY ON OUR OWN PROJECTS.

AND THE 1% CALCULATION DOESN'T WORK OUT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF IN THIS BUDGET THAT IS INTERRELATED THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS NUMBER SO YOU CAN GET THIS NUMBER SO YOU CAN GET THAT NUMBER.

UM, PUBLIC TRANSIT.

SO WE HAVE SET ASIDE, UM, IN, I THINK IT WAS THE, IT WAS THE BUDGET BEFORE LAST.

SO THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET PROCESS COUNCIL SAID WE WANNA PUT 5 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR FUTURE, UM, TRANSIT SYSTEM IMPLEMENTATION WITH THAT 5 MILLION.

WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS IN, UM, BUMPING THAT AMOUNT UP WITH INTEREST.

UM, SO, UM, WE'RE ESTIMATING IT WOULD BE AT 5.3 MILLION.

UM, THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE FOR TRANSIT WOULD BE AT 473,000 QUESTION.

SO SHERRY, LIKE ON THAT, THE FUTURE SYSTEM IMPLEMENTATION, I DO, WE THINK WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY USE THAT AS OPPOSED TO GETTING GRANT MONEY AND WHATNOT.

I MEAN, LIKE THIS IS FOR, IS THIS FOR VEHICLES ONLY OR COULD THIS BE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR CENTER? YEAH, IT COULD BE FOR ANYTHING RELATED TO THE IMPLEMENTATION.

AND UM, YEAH, I DO THINK THAT WE WOULD USE IT.

UM, A BIG PART OF WHY WE PUT THE 5 MILLION IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH WAS, UM, A DEMONSTRATION OF MONEY THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN THE, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR US TO QUALIFY AND GET SOME OF THE GRANTS.

SO, UM, IF IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN THAT COULD AT SOME POINT IMPACT THAT, BUT THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF OUR GRANT APPLICATIONS, YEAH.

HOW LONG HAS THAT 5 MILLION BEEN IN THERE? WHEN DID THAT GO IN? UH, FISCAL YEAR 23.

YOU SAID THE MONEY THAT COULD GO TO CIP PROJECTS OR ONETIME COSTS, WHEN WOULD THAT TAKE EFFECT? WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THAT? WHEN WILL THAT BE PAID? UM, SO THE, THE CIP UM, AND THE ONETIME COST, SO THOSE COME OUT OF OUR ONGOING REVENUES.

THANK YOU FOR THE WASTEWATER FUND.

SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT ONGOING REVENUES VERSUS EXPENDITURES, SO, UM, ON THE ONGOING REVENUES FISCAL YEAR 25, UM, 7.3 MILLION, UM, WE HAVE BEEN INCLUDING, 'CAUSE THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL IN PAST YEARS OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE SUBSIDY IS FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

SO WE'VE GOT THE 3 MILLION.

THE INTENT WAS THAT THE, UM, SUBY FROM THE GENERAL FUND WOULD HELP TO PAY THE DEBT WHEN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED BACK IN EARLY NINETIES.

UM, AND WE'VE BEEN WEANING OFF OF THAT.

SO IT DOESN'T QUITE MATCH UP THE DEBT RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW MUCH WAS PUT INTO THIS FUND, WE HAVE PUT FAR MORE IN THAN WHAT THE DEBT SERVICE WAS.

UM, ONGOING EXPENDITURES OF 5.9, UM, AND THEN THAT DEBT SERVICE, SO THOSE WILL BE GOING AWAY.

UM, SO YOU DO SEE A DECREASE FROM 24 ON WHAT THAT NET AMOUNT IS.

BUT THE ONGOING REVENUES COMPARED TO ONGOING EXPENDITURES, ONCE THE TRANSFER'S GONE AND THE DEBT SERVICE IS GONE, UM, 7.3 COMPARED TO THE 5.9.

SO FROM AN ONGOING PERSPECTIVE, IT'S IN A, IN A GOOD SPOT THAT THEN THAT DIFFERENCE THERE NEEDS TO GO TO PAY TOWARDS CIP PROJECTS AND THE WASTEWATER FUND AT ANY ONE TIME COSTS AS FAR AS THE RESERVES, THE OPERATING RESERVE AT 2 MILLION IS FULLY FUNDED.

CAPITAL RESERVE AT 5.7, FULLY FUNDED EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE, 1.4 FULLY FUNDED BASED OFF OF THE POLICY.

AND THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE RESERVE WORKS FOR BASICALLY THE SAME WAY THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE DID OF, OF, UM, EACH YEAR'S ALLOCATION AT 269 IS, IS FULLY FUNDED BASED OFF OF THAT POLICY REQUIREMENT.

I'M SORRY, COULD YOU BACK UP A SECOND? I WAS TAKING A NOTE AND THEREFORE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT THIS RIGHT.

ON THE,

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WE DO GET A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE CALL ONETIME REVENUES IN THE WASTEWATER FUND FOR SOME OF THE REALLY SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY FEES WHEN THERE'S A BIG DEVELOPMENT.

UM, BUT THE LION'S SHARE OF THE REVENUES REALLY ARE ONGOING REVENUES.

SO THOSE ONGOING REVENUE SUPPORT, CIP AND ONETIME COSTS.

YEAH, ENOUGH ENOUGH FOR WHAT I NEED AT THE MOMENT, .

SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, I'LL SIGN UP FOR THE 400 CLASS NEXT YEAR, NEXT SEMESTER .

SO, SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, UM, WITH THE ONGOING REVENUE AND UM, AND EXPENDITURES AND THEN THE TRANSFERS AND THE DEBT SERVICE, BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING THERE'S $84,000 LEFT TO GO TOWARDS CIP AND ONE TIME COST.

SO OBVIOUSLY CIP AND ONE TIME COSTS ARE MORE THAN 84,000.

SO WE'RE U UTILIZING SOME OF THE RESERVES IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE.

THANKS FOR BRINGING IT TO 200 COURSE LEVEL .

AND THAT WAS ALSO PART OF WHY I WANTED TO SHOW THIS SLIDE.

SO THIS WAS ONE THAT I WENT BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 21, UM, THROUGH OUR FISCAL YEAR, UM, 25 PROPOSED, UM, WHERE WE'VE BEEN AT WITH OUR FUND BALANCES.

SO BACK IN 21 WE WERE AT 17 MILLION.

WE HAD, UM, REMAINING AFTER OUR RESERVE AMOUNTS, 11 MILLION.

SO WE FELT PRETTY COMFORTABLE OF POSTPONING A RATE, UM, FINISHING THE RATE STUDY AND UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT HAS COME DOWN OVER TIME.

UM, FISCAL YEAR 23 ACTUAL, WE WERE DOWN TO REMAINING AVAILABLE OF 8.3 MILLION.

OUR ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, 3 0.1.

UM, AND WHEN I SAY THAT DEPARTMENTS KIND OF ESTIMATE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, UM, THE, IT'S NO DIFFERENT IN THE WASTEWATER FUND, SO IT COULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE 3.1 WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.

UM, AND THEN FISCAL YEAR 25 WE'RE DOWN TO REMAINING AVAILABLE CUSHION THERE OF ONLY 565,000.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY SEEING SOME, UM, DECLINE IN, IN THAT AMOUNT.

MOVING ON TO THE IT FUND.

SO WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE AT 1.5 MILLION, UM, FULLY FUNDED BASED OFF OF THE POLICY RESERVE REQUIREMENT.

UM, THAT DOES LEAVE, UM, 499,000 AVAILABLE.

UM, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS, UM, IN ORDER TO GET THIS FUND, UM, UM, TO A, A, A, THE FULL AMOUNT OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED IN THERE, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN HOW MUCH IS BUDGETED, WHICH TENDS TO BE MORE THAN WHAT THE ACTUALS ARE.

AND SO IT'S, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN EXTRA AND UM, SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT AND, AND, UM, ADDED IT TO THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE.

UM, WE ARE KIND OF GETTING CLOSE TO A POINT TO WHERE I THINK WE WOULD START LOOKING AT, OKAY, ARE WE AT THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH IN THE RESERVE? I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY REALLY CLOSE TO THAT AND I THINK THAT ANALYSIS NEEDS TO BE DONE.

MOVING ON TO THE CIP, UM, THE 10 YEAR PLAN AND THE OVERALL LOOK ON THAT.

[3.g. An overview of the Capital Improvements Plan will be presented and discussed.]

UM, JUST SOME INFORMATION ABOUT CIP.

SO OUR, THE WAY WE DEFINE WHAT IS A CIP PROJECT IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UM, IN COST OR MORE AND, UM, A LIFE OF THE ASSET OF THREE OR MORE YEARS.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THE 10 YEAR PLAN.

UM, IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN A 10 YEAR PLAN.

UM, IT WAS AT ONE POINT A SIX YEAR PLAN, NOW IT'S 10 YEAR.

UM, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF HELPFUL TO HAVE IT AT A 10 YEAR BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DOING DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE STUDIES BASED OFF A 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME, IT'S NICE TO HAVE THOSE LINE UP.

UM, THE POLICY IS THAT THE, UM, FUNDING AND THE RESERVES NEED TO BE SET UP FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF THE PLAN.

UM, WE CALL THOSE OUR THREE FUNDED YEARS.

AND IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE WHAT THE, THE 10 YEAR PLAN IS THAT'S IN YOUR BOOKS, IT REQUIRES THE LOANS TO THE DIFF FUNDS.

IT REQUIRES 20.2 MILLION OF UNRESERVED OR UNRESTRICTED CAPITAL RESERVES TO COVER SIM PROJECTS AND REQUIRES 12.7 OF GENERAL FUND SURPLUS TO COVER WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED IN

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THE UNRESTRICTED CAPITAL RESERVES TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THERE WAS A, A TABLE THAT I HAD IN THE MEMO WHERE I WAS SHOWING YOU THE, THE THREE FUNDED YEARS.

AND IN THOSE THREE FUNDED YEARS WHERE THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS 111 MILLION, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER BEEN ABLE TO GET ANYWHERE NEAR TO 111 MILLION IN A THREE YEAR TIMEFRAME.

THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT.

UM, SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS PLAN BALANCED, I'M HAVING TO DO THESE ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE THIS WORK TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE A FUNDED PLAN.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE DON'T REALLY SPEND 111 MILLION, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE THIS WORK THAT MAYBE WEREN'T NECESSARY.

UM, AND THEN THE, THE SEVEN YEARS, UM, THE REMAINING SEVEN YEARS OF A 10 YEAR PLAN, WE DON'T NECESSARILY IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S SOME RESTRICTED FUNDING GOING TOWARDS IT.

UM, THIS IS LOOKING AT, UM, BY CATEGORY WITH THE AMOUNTS CARRYING OVER AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS BEING ADDED TO THE PROJECTS.

EITHER THE PROJECTS, UM, ARE, UM, GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT THEY THOUGHT.

OR, UM, A PROJECT IS GONNA BE STARTING IN, UM, FISCAL YEAR 25.

SO A TOTAL FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 OF 46 MILLION.

UM, I'VE BEEN INCLUDING A LITTLE NOTE HERE ON THE SIDE THE LAST COUPLE YEARS 'CAUSE I GET ASKED BASICALLY EVERY YEAR, HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT ON SIM PROJECTS SO FAR? UM, THE TRANSIT PROJECTS TRANSIT REALLY PART OF SIM BUT WE FELT LIKE IT WAS BENEFICIAL TO SHOW THEM AS A SEPARATE CATEGORY ON YOUR LIST.

UM, AND SO THEY'RE LABELED AS PT, BUT THEY'RE REALLY LIKE A SUBCATEGORY OF SIM.

SO THE TOTAL THAT WE'VE SPENT FOR, UM, WHEN THE PROGRAM STARTED FISCAL YEAR 18 THROUGH THE ACTUALS OF FISCAL YEAR 23 PLUS, WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING WOULD BE SPENT IN 24 WOULD BE 45 MILLION.

UM, THE NEXT SLIDE I THINK WILL BE BENEFICIAL.

THE CONVERSATION, UM, THAT WAS HAPPENING ABOUT, UM, SHOULD WE PUSH ANYTHING? SO THIS IS TAKING JUST THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET AMOUNTS FOR THESE PROJECTS AND PUTTING THEM IN THE ORDER OF, UM, HIGHEST DOLLAR AMOUNT TO LOWEST DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO STARTING AT THE TOP WITH THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE AT 13.9 AND THEN FOREST ROAD AT 8.2.

SO THAT RIGHT THERE ALONE, UM, $22 MILLION OUT OF THE 46 MILLION FOR JUST THOSE TWO PROJECTS.

UM, WILL THERE BE DELAYS IN THOSE PROJECTS? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS THAT I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO COVER THESE COSTS, UM, FOR THE LIKELIHOOD OF OF THEM ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH.

UM, THERE IS ONE ENGINEER THAT, UM, IS WORKING ON BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE BOB WORKS ON, BUT I KNOW HE WORKS ON THESE TWO, HE WORKS ON SOME OTHER STUFF I KNOW.

UM, SO THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE AMOUNT.

THAT'S JUST ONE ENGINEER.

AND IF YOU SAY, OH, OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S JUST STICK WITH THAT NUMBER.

THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER ENGINEERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE WORKING.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA JUST SIT AROUND DOING NOTHING.

UM, HOW MANY ENGINEERS ARE THERE? LIKE SIX OR PROJECT MANAGERS? UM, YEAH, IT'S ABOUT FIVE OR SO.

FIVE OR SIX.

1.2 AND THE POSSE GROUNDS, UM, PICKLEBALL CARTS AT 1.1 AND THEN THERE'S 25 OTHER PROJECTS ON THE LIST THAT ARE LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO, UM, SO THAT WAS PART OF WHY I WAS SAYING LIKE I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, UM, THAT WE CAN BRING THIS DOWN TO LIKE A REALLY LOW NUMBER.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING SO GOING DOWN IN ORDER.

SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, THE TREATMENT PROCESS UPGRADES AND THE MAJOR LIFT STATION UPGRADES BOTH AT ABOUT 3.5 MILLION.

SO THOSE ARE ROXANNE, THOSE AREN'T, THOSE ARE NOT PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERS MANAGING THOSE PROJECTS.

SO, UM, THAT FALLS ON ROXANNE'S PLATE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORKLOAD OF PUBLIC WORKS, TRYING TO GET THINGS DONE.

THEN, UM, THE SIM OH FIVE D RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTION AND RANGER EXTENSION.

SO THAT'S THE NEXT BIGGEST ONE AT 2.6.

UM, THERE ARE ON THE LIST SOME OF THE BIGGER SHARED USE PATHS, BUT OF THE ONES THAT AREN'T DETAILED OUT, I THOUGHT IT WAS UM, KIND OF BENEFICIAL TO SHOW THOSE.

SO THERE'S LIKE FIVE PROJECTS UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, AT 1.8 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

NEXT IS THE COMPLETION OF THE RANGER STATION PARK, UM, THE INTERIOR BUILDINGS RESTORATION AND THE BUILD OUT OF THE PARK AT 1.6.

THEN YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THE, THE LARGER DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THE SHARED USE PASS.

THE ON DANTE AT 1.5 MILLION DRY CREEK, UM, FROM WHITE BEAR TO TWO FENCES AT 1.4.

THE ERP SYSTEM AT

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25.

THAT TOTAL UP TO 6.1 MILLION.

WHERE WAS THE ERP? YOU MENTIONED THE ERP UH, CITYWIDE BUSINESS.

YEAH, THAT'S ITO ONE, THE 1.2 MILLION.

THIS WAS USEFUL, THANK YOU.

YEAH, IT DEFINITELY HELPED ME OUT IN LOOKING AT IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.

AND AS I SAID, WE MET THREE TIMES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO, , AND YOU KNOW, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT WHEN SIM WAS FIRST CONTEMPLATED, THIS WILL JUST SHOW YOU IT WAS $60 MILLION JUST IN CUT IT TO $30 MILLION FOR ALL THE SIM PROJECTS.

NOW WE'RE AT, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE AT.

HE SAID, WE'VE NEVER SPENT $60 MILLION FOR ALL OF THEM OVER 10 YEARS.

I DUNNO IF YOU REMEMBER THAT.

I REMEMBER NOTHING .

I DON'T THINK THOSE, I DON'T THINK THOSE NUMBERS ACCOUNTED FOR INFLATION THOUGH.

OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T.

AND, AND I WELL, THERE'S MORE PROJECTS TOO.

AND AT THAT POINT WE DIDN'T KNOW COVID WAS GONNA HAPPEN.

WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE AS RUNAWAY INFLATION.

AND SO A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THEN.

WELL ACTUALLY WE NEVER KNOW.

WELL, I NEVER, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THREE YEARS.

I THINK THERE WAS SOME PART OF THAT DECISION THAT HAD TO DO WITH GOING WITH A HALF CENT SALES TAX OR A FULL CENT.

TWO TO SAY, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS HALF CENT OVER 10 YEARS AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED AT SOME POINT, THEN WE CAN CROSS THAT BRIDGE.

BUT, AND WE NEVER THE BRIDGE COLLECT.

AND WE, AND WE, IN THE EARLY YEARS THERE PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT OF TALK OF, OH, YOU GUYS ARE OVER COLLECTING.

WELL, THAT'S WHERE THE PAY AS YOU GO CAME INTO EFFECT.

IT WAS GONNA BE THROUGH THE SALES TAX.

AND WE'D HAVE IT GENERATED ENOUGH OF THE EXCESS TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX THAT WOULD PAY FOR THE PROJECT.

BUT WE DID RECOMMEND 1%.

SO, UM, ALSO IN YOUR BOOKS, SO ON CIP SIX AND CIP SEVEN, WE LOOK AT, UM, WHAT THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN IN THE PROJECTS.

UM, AND THESE ARE PROJECTS, UM, THAT ARE BASICALLY HAVE ALREADY STARTED IN A PRIOR YEAR.

THEY'RE NOT PROJECTS THAT ARE STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

SO OF THOSE PROJECTS, THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THEM IS, UM, 129 MILLION.

THOSE PROJECTS WERE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED AT 61 MILLION.

SO OVER THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT, IT'S AN INCREASE OF 68 MILLION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE 129 MILLION OF PROJECTS, UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 25 COMPARED TO HOW MUCH THEY, THE PROJECT BUDGET WAS IN FISCAL YEAR 24, THEY WERE AT 113 MILLION.

SO THE INCREASE OVER FISCAL YEAR 24 IS 16 MILLION.

AND THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 14%.

UM, THAT IS COMING DOWN.

UM, SO IN FISCAL YEAR 22, AND WE DID THE SAME ANALYSIS, WE WERE 38% OVER WHAT, UM, FISCAL YEAR 21 NUMBERS WERE IN FISCAL YEAR 23, WE WERE 22% OVER WHAT THE PRIOR YEAR NUMBERS WERE ONE.

SO FOR ALL OF MY DATADRIVEN FRIENDS HERE ON THE DAAS, HOW DO WE CALCULATE THE ROI OF SPENDING $130 MILLION? THERE IS NO, ASK BRIAN, THERE IS NO WAY TO OBJECTIVELY RECALCULATE BRIAN.

I MEAN, MIKE ON THE MIC, ON THE MIC PLEASE.

THERE'S NO WAY TO OBJECTIVELY CALCULATE THAT.

RIGHT? SO MUCH OF IT IS A SUBJECTIVE MEASURE OF QUALITY OF LIFE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE CAN DO, I MEAN WE, WE MEASURE NUMBER OF DELAY DAYS THAT IT TAKES TO GET, YOU KNOW, FROM A TO B IN MORE THAN X AMOUNT OF TIME.

BUT EVEN THAT'S NOT A STRICT ROI.

SO YEAH, ASK, ASK THE RESIDENTS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT TRAFFIC TODAY VERSUS FIVE YEARS AGO AND SEE IF THEY THINK IT'S BETTER.

THEY DON'T.

IS THAT REALLY WHAT OH, .

MORE TRAFFIC AND THINGS WOULD BE WORSE IF WE DON'T DO IT.

BUT I DO REMEMBER IN THE DISCUSSIONS ON THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT THERE WAS IMPROVEMENT IN THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE WOULD END UP WITH

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AND SO YOU'LL FEEL LIKE YOU DIDN'T REALLY GET IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN WORSE IF YOU DIDN'T DO THE PROJECTS.

, I REMEMBER THAT VERY DISTINCTLY.

OR IF ANYONE REMEMBERS THE, UM, THE GROUP FROM OAK CREEK CANYON, RIGHT.

WHO YES.

THRILLED.

AND, AND THE SITUATION THAT WE HAD WITH HOURS AT A TIME OF BACKUPS, THAT HAS BEEN ELIMINATED.

NOBODY REMEMBERS THAT.

YEAH, I DO.

WELL, OH, I DON'T, ANDY, I WOULD ALSO JUST THROW OUT THERE THAT WE'VE REALLY BEEN BUILDING UP WITH DESIGN AND PLANNING.

THAT WAS A HUGE PART OF WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THE EARLY DAYS OF SIM MM-HMM.

WE'RE NOW HEAVY INTO CONSTRUCTION FINALLY, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT HEAVY INTO COMPLETION.

THAT'S STILL TO COME.

SO HAVE YOU, IT'S HARD TO COMPARE RIGHT NOW, TODAY WHAT OUR, WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR BENEFITS HAVE BEEN FROM THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE MADE, BUT WE'RE JUST REALLY GETTING STARTED INTO HAVING A APPRECIABLE, UM, DECENT LOOK AT THAT.

HAS ANYONE TAKEN A STUDY ON VOLUME FROM FIVE YEARS AGO TO NOW? 'CAUSE THE VOLUME COULD BE WAY UP.

BUT THE TRAFFIC'S THE SAME THEN IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT.

OUR, OUR DASHBOARD THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW NEXT WEEK, IT, IT LOOKS AT VOLUME ALONG WITH TRAVEL TIME AT THE SAME TIME.

SO ANY IDEA JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? 'CAUSE YOU, YOU CAN REMEMBER THAT KIND OF STUFF.

I CAN'T, BUT IS THE VOLUME, UH, UP OR DOWN? JUST, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT UP, BUT THAT'S A REALLY LOADED QUESTION.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU'RE IN PEAK CONGESTION, YOU'RE GETTING LESS TRAFFIC FROM POINT A TO POINT B EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SATURATED.

BEYOND OVERALL WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON ANOTHER DAY.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, SERVICING LESS VOLUME, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT.

I KNOW IT'S NOT FAIR QUESTION ANYWAY, SO, BUT SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO CAPTURE THAT? YES, ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE THAT, I'M SURE YOU, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT THE OVERALL PLAN WITH THE VIS A MODEL THAT MODELS THE OVERALL SYSTEM IS, IS AIMED DIRECTLY AT THAT MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TURN THIS LEVEL LEVER OVER HERE, WHAT DOES IT DO SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE SYSTEM, SO, OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

UM, HERE'S A LOOK AT THE PROJECTS IN FISCAL YEAR 25 BASED OFF OF THEIR FUNDING SOURCES.

UM, SO OF, UM, LET'S SEE, I THINK I JUST DIDN'T CHANGE THE TOTAL ON THIS PAGE.

SO OF THAT 46 MILLION, UM, 6 MILLION, UM, WOULD BE UNRESTRICTED CAPITAL RESERVES.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS SOMETHING THAT IS RESTRICTED IN SOME MANNER OR OTHER MM-HMM, .

SO FROM THE OVERALL CIP PLAN, LOOK, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT NOW BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO LONG RANGE FORECAST? NOT YET.

YOU WANNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK OR NO, KEEP GOING QUICK.

JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTE BREAK.

UH, WE'RE STILL GOOD ON TIME, SHERRY? YES, WE'RE DOING GREAT.

IF WE DID SOME OF THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER INSTEAD OF PIECEMEALING THINGS OUT.

FIVE, 10 MINUTES.

SO, UH, 20 AFTER, SO THAT'S A 13 MINUTE WHATEVER.

THAT'S REAL CHANCE.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S, UM, FINISH UP.

YOU ONLY HERE BUT ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES LEFT.

SO, UM, JUST TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE LONG RANGE FORECAST.

UM, SO THERE IS THE, UM, TRANSPORTATION OR TRANSIT SYSTEM IMPLEMENTATION THAT, UM, IT DOES ASSUME THAT THE BOND, UM, FINANCING BASED OFF OF WHAT'S IN, UM, THOSE BUDGETS NOW, UM, BONDS ISSUED FOR THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE AND BONDS ISSUED FOR THE INJECTION WELLS.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMIN SITE, UM, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO ISSUE ANY BONDS FOR THAT, THAT WE WOULD, UM, CASH FUND THAT, UM, THE DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING PLAN PROJECTS BASED ON WHAT IS IN YOUR BOOKS RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

UM, BUT THE, UM, CONSULTANTS WERE SUGGESTING THAT, UM, WE WOULD SEE COST SAVINGS

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UM, AND THEN ALSO INCLUDED IN THE LONG RANGE FORECAST IS COVERING, UH, THE CIP GAPS IN FUNDING WITH GENERAL FUND MONIES.

UM, AND THAT INCLUDES, UM, NOT SUFFICIENT AMOUNTS IN SIMAX TO COVER SIM PROJECTS.

UM, NOT ENOUGH CAPITAL RESERVES TO BRIDGE THE GAPS, UM, IN ALL THOSE PROJECTS.

AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE FUNDS AND THE LOANS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THOSE.

UM, THINGS NOT INCLUDED IN LONG RANGE FORECAST.

UM, SO, UM, NOTHING RELATED TO DELL'S LAND USE.

UM, NOTHING IN THERE FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE HOUSING PROJECTS.

BEYOND THAT REMAINING 10 MILLION THAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

UM, NO, NOTHING AS FAR AS ANY OTHER PLACEHOLDERS FOR SUSTAINABILITY PROJECTS OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN THERE SO FAR.

UM, THERE WAS TALK AT ONE POINT, UM, ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLE LIKE SOME SORT OF HEALTHCARE GAP ANALYSIS AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE RELATED TO THAT.

UM, THE, UM, TRANSIT, UM, SO THERE WAS TALK OF WHAT IF WE DID, UM, ALL MICRO TRANSIT ROUTES AND NOT HAVE FIXED ROUTES.

THIS DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE THIS, IT'S BASED OFF OF THE ORIGINAL STUDY THAT WAS DONE THAT WAS ASSUMING FIXED ROUTES.

UM, A SRS.

UM, SO THERE'S THE P-S-P-R-S, WHICH IS THE POLICE PENSION FUND, AND THEN ALL THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES, UM, FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES ARE IN A SRS, THE ARIZONA STATE RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

UM, THAT IS A COST SHARING PLAN, WHICH MEANS ALL THE PARTICIPATING ENTITIES ALL PAY THE SAME RATE.

WE DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUALIZED IDENTIFICATION OF HOW MUCH IS OUR LIABILITY, HOW MUCH ARE ASSETS.

UM, SO IT'S A SHARED PLAN, BUT WE'RE REQUIRED IN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH OF THE LIABILITY THAT A SRS HAS IS, UH, WOULD REPRESENT OUR SHARE.

IN THE JUNE 30, UM, 23, IT WAS, UM, 10.8 MILLION.

UM, WE HAVE NOT AT THIS POINT, UM, EMBARKED ON, UM, WHAT A SRS IS REFERRING TO AS THIS THIS PREPAY PAYMENT PROGRAM WHERE THEY, IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY SET MONEY.

WE COULD PUT MONEY IN BASICALLY LIKE A TRUST TO HELP PAY FOR FUTURE COSTS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WAS DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH P-S-P-R-S WHERE WE PAY THE FULL AMOUNT FOR THE YEAR UPFRONT IN JULY.

WE EARN, UM, INTEREST AT THEIR RATES, UM, AS IT'S, IT GETS DRAWN DOWN AND A SRS WAS LIKE, WE'RE NOT PREPARED FOR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S NOT, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PUT SOME MONEY, LEAVE IT WHEN WE'RE IN A FINANCIAL SITUATION WHERE WE NEED IT, THEN DRAW DOWN FROM IT.

UM, I THINK AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MAY WANT TO LOOK AT BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU WOULD, UM, EXPERIENCE BETTER, UM, INVESTMENT RETURNS THROUGH A SRS, UM, THAN WHAT WE GET.

UM, BUT WE HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS ON THE PLATE RIGHT NOW.

UM, IF SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM IS DELAYED AND IF, UM, ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING SAYS, OKAY, WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE BACK YOUR GRANT.

AND IF, UM, IT PASSES AND SAYS, YES, WE DO WANT SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM, BUT NOW WE NO LONGER HAVE THE GRANT.

AND IF COUNCIL SAID, OKAY, THEN WE'LL USE CITY MONIES.

I HAVEN'T CONTEMPLATED ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF IFS .

SO IT'S, IT'S NOTHING LIKE THAT IS IN THERE.

I ALSO HAVEN'T PUT IN HERE ANYTHING RELATED TO THE STATE CLAWBACKS AND I HAD MENTIONED, UM, THAT THERE WAS TALK OF, WELL MAYBE THEY'LL TAKE AWAY SOME OF OUR HERF MONEY.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IN HERE.

UM, SOME OF THE ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS GOING INTO THIS, UM, THERE WAS TALK OF A RECESSION COMING, THEN THERE'S TALK OF A SOFT LANDING, UM, WITH THE INFLATION.

THE, THE FEDERAL RESERVE'S TARGET RATE FOR INFLATION IS 2%.

WE ARE ENOUGH ABOVE THAT.

AND SEEING, UM, INFLATION STARTING TO TICK BACK UP AGAIN, THAT THERE IS CONCERN OUT THERE OF THE FEDS HAVING TO, UM, DO SOME MORE, UH, RATE INCREASES, INTEREST RATE INCREASES IN ORDER TO BRING THAT DOWN.

UM, BUT IF THEY START DOING THAT, THEN THERE'S THOUGHTS OF WELL THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SOFT LANDING THAT WE WOULD END UP IN A RECESSION.

PART OF THE FED'S PAUSING ON THE INTEREST RATE INCREASES AND THEIR HOPE THAT THINGS WOULD'VE BEEN UNDER CONTROL BY NOW IS THE HIGHER THEY RAISE THE INTEREST RATES,

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THE MORE IN THE FEDERAL BUDGET GOES TOWARDS PAYING INTEREST COSTS.

AND, UM, THEY'RE CONCERNED.

AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONCERNED AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO, IF THEY HAVE TO INCREASE RATES FURTHER, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA WANNA HIT IT TO A POINT TO WHERE WE REALLY DO END UP IN A RECESSION SO THAT THEY CAN THEN LOWER THE RATES AND GET BACK DOWN TO WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD THE INTEREST OF THEIR OWN .

SO, UM, THESE, THESE ARE THINGS TO BE, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THE FUTURE LIES.

AND AGAIN, JUST AS COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON SAID, I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T BRING MY MAGIC EIGHT BALL WITH ME TODAY, BUT I, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA LAND.

UM, WE DO STILL HAVE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

SO, UM, THAT CREATES DELAYS IN WHEN WE ACTUALLY SPEND THINGS IF WE CAN'T GET THE ITEMS WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

SO IT'S NOT A GOOD THING, BUT KIND OF IN A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A POSITIVE.

UM, WE DO CONTINUE TO HAVE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT STAFFING TURNOVER.

UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE, UM, THERE'S CONCERNS IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WAGES ARE KEEPING UP AND THE SALARY STUDY WILL BE HAPPENING NEXT YEAR.

AND UM, THE STATE REVENUE SHORTAGES AGAIN ARE PART OF THAT ISSUE.

SO, AND THERE'S NO PROJECTION ON THAT.

UH, THE LATEST, UH, THAT THEY MENTIONED ON THE MONDAY CALL WAS $1.8 BILLION STATE REVENUE SHORTAGE FOR TWO YEARS.

AND THE OTHER THING TOO, SO I I, I KNOW, I KNOW VICE MAYOR PLU PROBABLY ISN'T UM, GOING TO LIKE THIS, BUT I, THERE'S BEEN TALK OF LIKE, WELL WHAT IF THE STATE SAYS IN ORDER TO BOUNCE OUR BUDGET AND CITIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE EXTRA MONEY, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT TRY AND TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM.

SOUNDS LIKE THE LIBRARY AND COUNTY THEY CAN TAKE IT AWAY.

THEY'LL JUST TAKE IT.

I'M SORRY, WHAT DO YOU SAY? THEY THINK THEY CAN, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I THEY THINK THEY CAN LEGALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REALLY CAN, BUT KURT WOULD FIGHT IT.

I'M SURE YOU, YOU THAT'S MAYBE THE LEAGUE WOULD TOO.

I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T LIKE US IN ANYTHING THAT WE WANT THEM TO DO.

WELL THAT'S A FEW OTHER REASONS.

WHO PERSONA NOT LITERALLY.

RESPONSE WHICH ROXANNE WERE HERE, BUT SHE NOT, THEY SAID THAT THE INJECTION WELLS ONE AND TWO THAT WE DID COST $800,000.

UM, THE, UM, I MENTIONED THE, THE HERF MONEY, THE GAS TAX DOLLARS IS AN AREA WHERE THEY MIGHT TAKE PULL FROM, UM, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE THEY WOULD HAVE A TOUGH TIME TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR STATE SHARED INCOME TAX.

UM, 'CAUSE THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITIES AND TOWNS EONS AGO.

AND SO THE LEAGUE FEELS LIKE THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BETTER PROTECTED, UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE MONIES.

BUT WOULD THEY TAKE SOME OF THE STATE SHARED SALES TAX OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER MONIES? I DON'T KNOW.

SO SO THERE'S UNCERTAINTY IN ALL IN DOING ALL OF THESE PROJECTIONS AT ALL TIMES.

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YEAR, WHAT YEAR IT IS.

UM, HERE, JUST SO YOU COULD SEE IN A STATIC FORMAT, THIS IS WHAT THE BASELINE, UM, GENERAL FUND LONG RANGE FORECAST LOOKS LIKE.

WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOME SCENARIOS THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS PICTURE LOOK QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT WHEN WE START LOOKING AT SOME OTHER STUFF.

SO, UM, THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.

SO YOU GOT DECISION PACKAGES IN THERE THAT ARE RECOMMENDED.

UM, IT'S NOT ADDING NEW PROGRAMS, IT'S ALL THOSE THINGS I WAS SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD.

IT'S THE CIP 10 YEAR PLAN BASED OFF OF THE NUMBERS YOU SEE ON THAT SCHEDULE AND WE KNOW THAT THOSE NUMBERS GO UP.

UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.

BUT THAT THIS IS BASED OFF OF NUMBERS.

WE HAVE THE BASELINE AND THEN HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT FOR THE WASTEWATER FUND.

SO AS I SAID, WE'RE DEFINITELY IN A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE WASTEWATER FUND AND RATE INCREASES.

UM, I'M GO BACK FOR JUST A SECOND.

SO WHEN I WAS PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND I WAS SEEING THAT I WAS HAVING TO TAKE MORE AND MORE MONEY EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR THE GENERAL FUND TO HELP, UM, COVER THE CAPITAL RESERVE NEEDS BASED OFF OF THE WAY THAT THE PLAN IS SET UP IN THIS BOOK LED ME TO, OKAY, I NEED TO EXTEND THIS OUT.

'CAUSE NORMALLY WE LOOK AT A SHORTER TIMEFRAME.

I EXTENDED THIS OUT THROUGH THE FULL 10 YEARS OF THE CIP PLAN FOR WASTEWATER.

WHAT I DID WAS I EXTENDED IT OUT TO THE POINT TO WHEN, UM, THE WELLS, UM, WOULD BE DONE.

SO, 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE BIG DRIVING FACTORS IN WASTEWATER FUND.

SHERRY, BEFORE YOU GO ON, SOMEBODY SAID TO ME LAST NIGHT THAT, AND I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU WHAT THEY SAID AND THEN I APPRECIATED A

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AND SO SHOCKING HOW IN THE WORLD COULD TWO WELLS AND I DON'T KNOW THE YEAR IN WHICH THEY WERE DONE.

SO I'D APPRECIATE KNOWING THAT BE $25 MILLION.

I MEAN THEY REALLY QUESTIONED EVEN WITH INFLATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

HOW DOES IT GO FROM UNDER A MILLION TO 25 MILLION? BECAUSE IT WASN'T UNDER A MILLION.

IT WAS 5.4 .

? YES FOR FOR TWO.

AND AND THAT INCLUDES ALL OF IT.

'CAUSE DIDN'T WE HAVE TO LIKE DO A ANOTHER DRILL? YEAH.

SO IT INCLUDES THAT ADDITIONAL DRILL THAT HAD TO HAPPEN.

WHAT YOU WERE SET, UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT ON HERE, BUT I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE AROUND 2018 ISH.

YEAH, I WOULD SAY I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING RIGHT NOW.

UM, THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

WELL, IT ANSWERS THE QUESTION OF WHAT IT STARTED WITH RIGHT NOW YOU SAY HOW DID IT GO FROM 5.5 MILLION TO 25 MILLION? YEAH.

BUT UM, IN, IN THE COST.

SO DOING ANOTHER WELL THAT SHE'S GOT, UM, DESIGN AND UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND FISCAL YEAR 26 AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IN 27.

SO, UM, THAT IS UM, ABOUT 5.5 MILLION FOR ONE.

WELL, SO YOU DO HAVE THE INFLATION OVER THAT TIME AND THEN THE OTHER TWO WELLS, UM, SHE'S GOT 15.6 MILLION FOR THE OTHER TWO WELLS, ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE GONNA, COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP BY THE TIME WE DO THOSE AND, AND CAPITAL PROJECTS.

I MEAN ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECTS HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IN THE LAST HANDFUL YEARS.

SO I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE UNREASONABLE, UM, ESTIMATES AT ALL.

SO WHEN WAS, OKAY, SO WAS 5.5 MILLION A PIECE OR FOR THE TWO? TWO.

SO TWO AT 5.5 MILLION IN WHAT YEAR? SO WELL, WELL TWO, THE NOTICE TO PROCEED ON THAT WAS 2015.

SO THAT STARTED CONSTRUCTION AGO.

YEAH, 10 YEARS AGO.

SO IT REASONABLE FOR, BUT THAT TOOK SOME TIME PROBABLY BY 20, MAYBE 17 UP AND RUNNING.

OH NO, THE DURATION, ACTUALLY I SHOULD HAVE LEFT THAT OPEN.

LET'S SEE, IS THAT ONE, WELL WE HAD, IT WAS ONLY A 60 DAY, UM, DURATION OF CONSTRUCTION.

SO TWO MONTHS RUNNING.

WE HAD ONE WELL THAT TOOK BROKE.

YEAH, THEY HAD TO BE COMPLETELY RE DRILLED WAS THERE WAS ONE THAT BROKE AND THEY BROKE THE DRILL AND THEN WE BORROWED A DRILL FROM PAYSON OR SOLO AND THEN WE BROKE THAT AND THEN THE CITY HAD TO SUE OUR CONTRACTOR TO GET IT BACK.

AND SO IT WAS A A FIASCO.

WE WE CAN, WE CAN GET THAT.

WHICH COULDN'T BE PREDICTED.

YOU WEREN'T EVEN HERE KURT.

IT'S LIKE HE LOOKS AT THE LEGAL FILES WEREN'T BUILDING THOSE WELLS AND OKAY, SO IT WAS 2015 THAT WAS WELL WON BY THE WAY.

WHAT'S THAT? 2015? YEAH, WELL IT WAS, WELL ONE THAT WE HAD THE ISSUES ON AND IT WAS THE PUMP.

THE PUMP WE HAD TO BORROW FROM PAYON, NOT THE TRUCK.

THAT'S FINE THOUGH.

UM, FINAL COMPLETION ON, WELL TWO WAS OCTOBER OF 2015, SO THANK YOU.

YOU GONNA GET BACK TO HOLLY, YOU GONNA GET BACK TO HIM? YEAH, GOOD.

IS THAT MIC? SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE INTERACTIVE IT'S OKAY.

SO IF WE IT WHENEVER UM, A RATE STUDY IS RESUMED AND IF YOU DECIDE TO DO A CPI ADJUSTMENT INSTEAD OF UM, DOING UM, A RATE STUDY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THEN THAT SHORTENS THINGS UP A BIT.

OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THE OUR INTERACTIVE FORECAST MODEL.

UM, AND THE SCENARIOS THAT I HAVE ARE LIKE WHAT IFS, UM, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING OUT THERE IN TV LAND, UM, THEY'RE JUST WHAT IF SCENARIOS? IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT UM, DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.

UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY PROACTIVE IN MAKING SURE THAT THINGS BALANCE.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT A SCENARIO AND SAY, OH WE WOULDN'T BE BALANCED IN THAT SITUATION, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION AND GO DOWN THAT ROUTE.

SO MAKE SURE THAT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR .

SO, UM, OKAY, SO I WANNA START WITH THE WASTEWATER FUND.

SO THIS IS STARTING AT THAT BASELINE LOOK AND JUST BASED OFF OF BASELINE.

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UH, BUT WHEN YOU DO A RATE STUDY IT DOES TAKE SOME TIME AND ALL THE VARIOUS STEPS IN THAT PROCESS, UH, THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.

SO, UH, WHAT I HAVE BUILT IN HERE IS RATE INCREASES STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 26.

AND IF I SAY WE NEED TO DO A 4% RATE INCREASE EACH YEAR, THAT KIND OF GETS US WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

THESE BLACK BARS IS WHAT THE TOTAL FUND BALANCE WOULD BE.

THE DOTTED BLACK LINE IS WHAT THE RESERVES NEED TO BE.

SO WE WANT THE BLACK LINE TO BE AT LEAST F THE DOTTED LINE OR ABOVE.

AND SO THAT PUTS US, IF STARTING IN 26 WE DO A 4% INCREASE EVERY YEAR AND THIS PRESUMES THAT THE WELLS ARE IN THERE AND THAT THERE'S DEBT SERVICE RELATED TO BONDS ISSUED FOR DOING THOSE WELLS.

UM, IF I CHANGE AND ADD AND SAY, UM, CIP, LET'S SAY THAT CIP INCREASES UM, 10% EVERY YEAR AND SO THAT TAKES DOING A 7% INCREASE STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 26 EACH YEAR IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK.

WHAT PERCENT? SEVEN.

YEAH, 7%.

AND IF WE SAY CIP INCREASES 15% EACH YEAR IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK, IT NEEDS TO BE A 9% INCREASE STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 26 AND EACH YEAR, UM, THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR 23, UM, WITH THE WELLS.

SO ROXANNE WAS NOT SAYING WHAT ARE TODAY'S PRICES SHE WAS TRYING TO BUILD IN SOME INCREASES AND SHE'S DONE THAT IN SOME OF HER PROJECTS.

SO IF HERS AREN'T AS DRAMATIC, IF IF SAY IT'S ONLY 5%, UM, INCREASE THEN COULD DO WITH A FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 26 AND MAKE THIS SCENARIO WORK, UM, IF I GO BACK TO NO RATE INCREASE.

BLESS YOU.

AND WE SAY CIP INCREASES ARE 15% AND IF I SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE WELLS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE IRRIGATION INSTEAD, THEN EVEN THAT DOESN'T BALANCE OUT.

MM-HMM , IF I DO A RATE INCREASE OF FOUR AND A HALF PERCENT, UM, EACH YEAR STARTING FISCAL YEAR 26, THEN THAT WILL BALANCE OUT.

SHERRY, YOU SAID YOU WERE DOING THE IRRIGATION, BUT DID YOU MEAN YOU'RE DOING THE IRRIGATION AND THE RETENTION BASIN WORK TOO? YEAH, SO ALL ALL OF THOSE ALTERNATE PROJECTS ARE INCLUDED.

MATCH UP WITH YOUR MODEL OF INCREASES TO COVER STARTING IN 26.

UM, IF WE SAY CIP INCREASE IS 10% AND WE'RE DOING THE IRRIGATION, THEN IT'S UM, 3.5% PER YEAR THAT KEEPS THINGS, UM, SOMEWHAT IN BALANCE.

AND IF IT'S 5%, OOPS, CIP INCREASE AND THAT'S 5% EACH YEAR.

SO A BLENDING BECAUSE SOME YEARS MAY BE MORE, SOME YEARS BE BE LESS.

THE WAY I HAVE THIS BUILT OUT IS JUST THE ASSUMPTION OF WHATEVER PERCENT OVER THE LIFE OF THIS, IF IT'S ONLY 5% THEN DOING IRRIGATION INSTEAD OF THE WELLS GETS US AT A 2.5% RATE INCREASE.

THE ALTERNATE PROJECTS ARE IN THERE AS ALTERNATE AS AN OPTION, BUT BASED OFF OF THE THINGS THAT ROXANNE HAD TALKED ABOUT AND AS THE EXPERT, HER RECOMMENDATION IS SHE BELIEVES WE SHOULD BE DOING THE WELLS.

SO JUST TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

BUT SHE ALSO SAID THAT THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION THAT WAS COMING THAT MAY BE PUTTING IT OFF A YEAR TO DOING THE WELLS BECAUSE OF INFORMATION THAT SHE WAS WAITING ON.

SO NOT FY 25 BUT FY 26 WHICH WOULD THEN

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AND THE, THE WELLS, UM, THE WAY SHE HAS IT BUDGETED THE WELLS WOULDN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN UNTIL 26.

SO IT'S NOT A DEC NOT NECESSARILY A DECISION OF ARE WE INCLUDING IT IN 25 OR NOT? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN 25, BUT JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW WHERE THINGS STAND IN A LONG RANGE FORECAST ASPECT.

AND OUR POLICY IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE NEXT THREE YEARS IDENTIFIED OF WHAT OUR FUNDING SOURCES IS, UM, TO HAVE THEM FUNDED.

SO, UM, I CAN PLAY AROUND WITH ANY, ANY OTHER SORTS OF ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU WANT TO SEE HERE.

UM, I TRIED TO ANTICIPATE SOME OF THE, THE SCENARIOS YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DIDN'T COVER, I, I GUESS MY COMMENT IS TO MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE, THERE'S A BIG INCREASE LOOMING HERE, RIGHT? ANY OF THE SCENARIOS OVER NINE YEARS RESULT IN A MINIMUM OF 40 PLUS PERCENT INCREASED RATES.

MM-HMM LIKE WHY ARE WE NOT JUST GOING AHEAD AND STICKING A 5% INCREASE IN RIGHT NOW? WHAT'S THERE TO EVEN STUDY? LIKE WE KNOW WE NEED TO RAISE THE FUNDS.

WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR? THAT'S RIGHT.

AND JUST DO A CPI INCREASE, WHEN DO WE LOOK AT, UM, IN CPI BUT JUST SCHEDULES THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.

WHEN LIKE IN WHAT TIMEFRAME? WHAT DO, WHAT ARE YOU, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FEE SCHEDULE? YES.

SO, UM, THE DEPARTMENTS, UM, WORK ON THAT AND HAVE UNTIL UM, SEPTEMBER TO GET THINGS TURNED IN.

THEN IT GETS POSTED FOR THE 60 DAYS.

AND THEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL THE END OF NOVEMBER AND THEN JANUARY ONE IS WHEN THE NEW RATES GO IN PLACE.

SO IT'S HALFWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR IT WOULD TAKE EFFECT, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO A RATE INCREASE.

IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, A COST OF LIVING TYPE INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENT TO WASTEWATER RATES, UHHUH, , UM, IT'S, IT'S TOWARDS THE END OF APRIL YOU'D HAVE TO POST FOR 60 DAYS AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I MEAN, SO YOU COULD HAVE IT IMPLEMENTED PROBABLY SHORTLY AFTER JULY ONE.

MAKES SENSE.

SO THEN WE GET A FULL DO YOU WANNA DO IT AS A ONE OFF? YEAH.

SO HOW DO WE FOLLOW UP ON THAT? DO WE JUST SAY THAT'S WHAT WE WANT OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE IT AGENDIZED? I WOULD THINK YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE IT AGENDIZED IN ORDER TO, IN TO FOR STAFF TO WORK ON INCREASING THE RATES AND GETTING IT POSTED.

I WOULD SAY, SO IF YOU FELT LIKE, I THINK WE JUST NEED AN INDICATION OF IS THAT NUMBER 5%? IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S TIED TO CPI LIKE THE OTHER CPI INCREASES THE THREE CP 3.6 CPI 3.6, WHATEVER THE, WHAT'D YOU SAY? 3.6? YEAH, I, WELL THE OTHER QUESTION IS DO WE WANNA GO THAT ROUTE OR JUST GO THE NORMAL ROUTE? WE'RE GAINING A HALF YEAR BY EXPEDITING THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS TO DO THAT, TO SORT OF JUMP THROUGH THAT HOOP IS NOT A BIG HOOP.

BUT TO JUMP THROUGH THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S, I I THINK I'M MORE COMFORTABLE DOING THIS AS PART OF THE REGULAR FEE ADJUSTMENTS AND, AND IN THAT TIMEFRAME, UM, THE 4% SOUNDED BETTER TO ME TIED INTO THAT 3.6% CPI.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS IMMEDIATELY.

IT JUST SHINES A BIG LIGHT ON THIS.

WELL, BUT WE CAN IF WE WANT TO.

I, I CAN LIVE WITH EITHER TIMING.

WE, WE JUST NEED TO ACT, I MEAN WE CAN KEEP KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE CURB.

WHAT'S A HALF A YEAR OF 5%? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF MONEY ARE WE TALKING ON? WHAT 6 MILLION? UH, IT'S LIKE SIX, 6.2 MILLION.

SO 300,000.

WELL 5%.

SO 4% WHAT PERCENTAGE? YOU SAID 5%? 250,000 OR SO? PROBABLY WE JUST AGREED TO A 20% RATE INCREASE I THINK.

JUST KIDDING.

I HEARD.

SO, SO HALF A YEAR AT 5% WOULD BE ABOUT 155,000.

WHAT DOES THAT EQUAL $2 PER HOUSEHOLD WITH THE FIXED RATE OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHAT IS IT, 30 FOR THE 42 FOR THE LOW FLOW RATE? YEAH.

WHAT, 47 52 FROM? THAT'S WHAT, SO THAT WOULD RAISE IT TO 49 90

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AND 47.

UM, 47 52.

SO THE JESSICA STANDARD RATE AT 61 11 WOULD GO TO 64 17.

I THINK I SAID THE OTHER DAY THAT IT'S GONNA BE INCREASES BIG INCREASES ON THE PART OF EVERYBODY I SAID IT.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN START TOO EARLY.

UM, SORT OF PUSHING IT ALONG THE LITTLE BIT WE DO NOW MEANS THAT WON'T BE AS BIG WHEN IT FINALLY KICKS IN.

AND I, I I'M HAPPY TO, TO DO, I'M HAPPY TO START IT NOW 'CAUSE I THINK WE SEE WE NEED IT NOW AND IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY WAS OUR MISTAKE TO, TO NOT CONTINUE THE PAYMENTS EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS SO EASY AT THE TIME.

SO I, I ACTUALLY AM, AM VOTING FOR DOING IT NOW.

I THINK IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE PAIN AND THE SHOCK.

WELL, DON'T, DON'T FORGET THERE'S ALSO A RATE STUDY RIGHT, RIGHT.

IN WHICH WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVEN JUST THE THE BILLING METHODOLOGY ITSELF.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A SERIES OF CHANGES COMING.

BUT I THINK THAT BLUNTING THE OVERALL IMPACT BY GOING AHEAD AND STARTING NOW WHEN WE KNOW WHAT NEEDED, KNOWING WHAT WE SEE HERE, WE GOTTA DO IT.

I'M JUST, UM, I COULD EASILY SUPPORT THIS OR NOT EASILY.

I COULD SUPPORT THIS AS LONG AS IT'S NOT USING IT BY FLOW, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

BECAUSE IT JUST, THAT DOESN'T, IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR DOING IT BY FLOW, JUST DOING IT ACROSS THE BOARD WITH A RATE INCREASE.

IT'S ONLY FOR THE LOW FLOW.

IT'S BASICALLY THREE BUCKS A MONTH, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

AM I GETTING THAT? SO, UM, IT HAS TO HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER, BUT IF WE DO THIS, WE NEED TO DO PUBLIC, UH, OUTREACH AND REALLY GET THE WORD OUT, UH, TO PEOPLE, TO EDUCATE THEM AS TO WHY AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.

'CAUSE THE FUNDING'S GONNA RUN OUT AND IT, WE, IT, IT CAN'T BE SUSTAINED BY ANY OTHER, UH, MONEY.

WE ALL UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT LAST NIGHT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN.

AS MUCH AS WE CAN KNOCK ON PEOPLE'S DOORS AND HAND THEM FLYERS, THAT'S NEVER GOOD ENOUGH.

BUT WE NEED TO DO MORE, BRIAN.

I MEAN, MAYOR, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A YEAR AGO, LIKE THE, THE PR THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THIS IS A, IS SIGNIFICANT AND IT NEEDS TO BE AS GOOD AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE.

'CAUSE WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A TON OF MISINFORMATION AND A WHOLE LOT OF ANGER AND WHATNOT.

AND THE FACT THAT IT'S STATUTORY REQUIREMENT WE GOTTA GET TO RIGHT, IS, I MEAN, THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT.

SO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANNETTE, WHICH IS, GIVEN THAT THIS COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OUTREACH ON THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL AND YOU COULD DEFER TO KAREN IF YOU WANT, COMFORTABLE HAVING STAFF DO NOW? UM, OR IS IT GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC NOW? THANK YOU.

UM, MAYOR JALO AND COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON.

UM, WELL, I GUESS MY FIRST THOUGHT IS, I DO AGREE THAT HAVING SMALL INCREASES OVER TIME INSTEAD OF NO INCREASE AND THEN A BIG JUMP IS A GOOD WAY TO GO.

UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU ARE GIVING STAFF DIRECTION TO JUST APPLY THE CPI TO THE RATE INCREASE AND NOT SOMETHING ADDITIONAL, THAT THAT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THING TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC.

IF IT WAS SOMETHING HIGHER THAN THE CPI, THEN WE'D HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHY IT HAS TO BE HIGHER THAN THE CPI.

AND THEN I THINK I HEARD, DUE TO THE TIMING OF HOW THE PROCESS HAPPENS, THERE'LL BE 60 DAYS PERIOD TO EDUCATE PEOPLE, HAVE PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU EVEN CONSIDER ADOPTING IT.

SO YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY ADOPTING IT TODAY.

UM, SO IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME.

COOL.

UM, NOT HAVING DONE A PUBLIC OUTREACH THING HERE YET, BUT IT SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IF IT'S JUST THE CPI BEING APPLIED.

AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE AN INCREASE IN A WHILE.

SO WHEN THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PLAYS OUT TIMEFRAME WISE, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME STAFF THAT YOU USE FOR, UH, UH, PROMOTION AND MARKETING.

, COULD YOU WAIT UNTIL YOU GET THE, UH, MAN, THE NEW MANAGER IN PLACE THAT YOU, YOUR STAFF, UH, UH, LAUREN SPECIFICALLY, HOWEVER THAT PLAYS OUT, SO THAT SHE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE, HOLD ON A MINUTE PLEASE.

I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

UH, SO THAT SHE COULD HAVE A LITTLE LESS ON HER PLATE AND SHE COULD JUST FOCUS ON, UH, I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT PLAY? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA OVERTAX SO THE STAFF, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS ALSO VERY TARGETED.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CPI ADJUSTMENT TO WASTEWATER RATE CUSTOMERS, WHICH IS ONLY 60% OF THE CITY AS IT IS.

OF INFORMATION WHEN YOU GET TO THE RATE STUDY AND POTENTIALLY CHANGING THE METHODOLOGY.

SO I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A GLOBAL PUSH

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THAT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

BUT YOU COULD IMMEDIATELY START TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE WASTEWATER BILLING.

BILLING.

UM, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE DIGITAL, SOME PEOPLE ARE PAPER STILL.

YOU CAN, IT'S DISTRIBUTED THAT WAY OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SEVERAL CYCLES SO THAT THEY KNOW IT'S COMING.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE OTHER TARGETED THINGS YOU WANT TO DO OUTSIDE OF THAT.

BUT IT'S, IT'S A FINITE GROUP OF, OF SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS.

THIS ISN'T LIKE A THANK YOU.

BUT WE COULD KNOCK ON PEOPLE'S DOOR AND HAND IT TO THEM AND THEY'LL STILL NOT SEE IT.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO DO EVEN A COUPLE OF BILLING CYCLES.

PEOPLE JUST TAKE THE BILL AND THEY THROW EVERYTHING ELSE AWAY.

WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.

SO YOU, YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER LIKE A SEPARATE MAILING.

THAT'S BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO RECEIVE THEIR BILLS ELECTRONICALLY OR ON PAPERLESS BILLING, THEY DON'T LOOK AT THEIR BILLS.

THEY JUST ASSUME IT'S THE SAME 47, 52 EVERY MONTH.

I DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT MY BILL.

UM, THE ONES WHO GET PAPER BILL, THERE ARE, UM, THINGS, SO I, I, I LAUGHED AT THE COMMENT IN THE, THE BUDGET SURVEY ABOUT HOW WE DON'T OFFER PAPERLESS BILLING, AND THERE'S BEEN PAPERLESS BILLING LONG BEFORE I STARTED HERE.

AND THERE'S INFORMATION ON THE PAPER BILL YEAH.

ABOUT DOING HOW TO DO PAPERLESS BILLING.

SO PEOPLE DON'T REALLY READ THE PAPER BILL E EITHER.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE WOULD BE THE BEST WAYS.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A WAY, BUT I, YOU MIGHT WANNA DO A SEPARATE MAILING OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU HAVE A DATABASE OF CONTACT INFORMATION ADDRESSES INDIVIDUALS, AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE DIGITAL EMAIL CONTACTS MM-HMM.

SO YOU CAN USE THOSE TOOLS TO OUTREACH AND YOU, IF YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING SEPARATE THAN THE ACTUAL BILL, SO THAT MAYBE IT CATCHES THEIR ATTENTION IN A WAY IF THEY IGNORE THE BILL.

CERTAINLY THAT'S, THAT'S EASY ENOUGH TO DO.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC POPULATION THAT YOU CAN TARGET WITH MESSAGING.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR KAREN.

SO LOW FLOW VERSUS HIGH FLOW, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF STILL ON HIGH FLOW? ANY IDEA? UM, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL SOMEWHAT IN THE VICINITY OF 50 50, IF I CORRECT.

I WOULD'VE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, BUT, OKAY.

MAYBE WE CAN ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO GO TO LOW FLOW, BUT ULTIMATELY EVEN LOW FLOW, IF EVERYBODY WENT TO LOW FLOW, THEN WE GOTTA BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN EVEN HIGHER, DON'T WE? YEAH.

OH, NO, IT'S, IT'S IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY FROM WHAT I, WHAT I WAS THINKING.

SO, UM, 3,300 LOW FLOW, UM, STANDARD RATE 1800, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T OBJECT TO PUTTING IN A RATE INCREASE.

IT'S DEFINITELY TIME.

BUT I JUST WANT, AS A REMINDER TO, TO THE COUNCIL THAT UP UNTIL SIX MONTHS AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF DISPOSING NOT ONLY OF EFFLUENT IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY, BUT ALSO POTENTIALLY GAINING REVENUE FOR THAT.

SO IT, IT'S PRETTY RECENT THAT WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIO, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE FUTURE OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND DISPOSAL SYSTEM.

JESSICA HAD HER HAND UP, MELISSA S SO I JUST, UM, WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE TO DO 60 DAYS PUBLIC NOTICE ANYWAY, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE IN THE PAPER.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON OUR WEBSITE.

IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE WHEREVER WE DO OUR PUBLIC NOTICE.

SO BESIDES BILLS, THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER METHODS OF PUBLIC NOTICE, OF COURSE.

UM, AND THE OTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT IS WE, WE LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND WE GO, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE A RATE INCREASE, RIGHT.

FOR WHATEVER REASON AND HOW WE DISPOSE OF OUR EFFLUENT AND ALL THAT, THAT'S PART OF ROXANNE'S BIGGER, LONGER TERM STUDY TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND WAIT FOR AEC AND FOR THE EPA TO COME IN.

UM, HOWEVER, SO WE SAY WE NEED ONE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT OUR WASTEWATER GOING FORWARD, AND EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY SAYS, NO, WE DON'T WANT A RATE INCREASE.

THEY'RE STILL GONNA GET A RATE INCREASE, OTHERWISE WASTEWATER IS GOING TO FAIL.

AND THEN PEOPLE MIGHT BE LESS HAPPY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST WANT US TO BE AWARE THAT, THAT THIS IS NOT A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GOING TO END IF PEOPLE ARE UNHAPPY WITH GETTING A RATE INCREASE.

I'M, AND I'M BEING BRAVE AND SAYING THAT OUT LOUD.

SO.

WELL, JUST, THAT'S SOME OF THE TOUGH DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE.

C-P-I-C-P-I-C-P-I-C-P-I, IT'S, IT'S DIRECTION HAS BEEN GIVEN AND THE TIMEFRAME IS WE'RE MOVING AHEAD NOW.

I VOTE FOR IT.

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SO, UM, THE, UM, WE BASICALLY JUST DO THE, THE LONG RANGE FORECAST MODELS ON THE GENERAL FUND AND THE WASTEWATER FUND.

THE OTHER ONES ARE ALL DEPENDENT ON GENERAL FUND HELPING SUPPORT THEM.

SO LOOKING AT WHERE THE GENERAL FUND STANDS GIVES US WHAT WE NEED.

SO, UM, WE HAVE BUILT IN HERE AN ASSUMPTION OF A SLIGHT RECESSION IN FISCAL YEAR 26, AND THEN AGAIN IN, UM, THE NEXT CYCLE OF FISCAL YEAR 2033.

IF WE LOOK AT A SCENARIO OF A MUCH MORE SEVERE RECESSION, THEN EVERYTHING BEING STATUS QUO, YEAH, WE COULD BE OKAY, BUT THINGS AREN'T GOING TO BE STATUS QUO.

AND EVERY OTHER SCENARIO THAT I HAVE ON HERE IS JUST WHEN I LOOK AT SEVERE RECESSION, IS JUST GOING TO SAY WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE DIFFERENT DECISIONS IF WE'RE IN A SEVERE RECESSION, WHICH WE WOULD.

SO THIS, I'M NOT DOING SEVERE RECESSION ALTERNATIVES.

ANYTHING BEYOND SHOWING YOU THIS.

SO, SO, UM, WITH A 15% INCREASE IN CIP PROJECTS, WE CANNOT DO THE 10 YEAR PLAN AS WE HAVE THE 10 YEAR PLAN.

IT, IT WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD BE BELOW, IF WE SAY IT'S A 10% INCREASE EACH YEAR, YEAH.

WE'RE KIND OF OKAY, BUT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF STATUS QUO GOING ON IN ORDER TO BE THERE.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? AWFUL LOT OF STATUS QUO.

UM, NO MORE DECISION PACKAGES.

BEYOND, LIKE, ANY OF THIS.

SO IT'S LIKE TAKING THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET, WHAT SERVICE LEVELS WE SAY WE'RE DOING, THAT'S OUR STATUS QUO.

NOTHING ELSE.

THINGS COME UP, THINGS HAPPEN.

SO, UM, I KIND OF WENT, BECAUSE I, UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME PROJECTS IN HERE IT THAT WOULD IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND HELPING TO SUPPORT ALL THE REST OF THE CIP PROJECTS THAT MAYBE ARE, HAVE SOME INFLATIONARY FACTORS IN THERE.

BUT I FEEL, FEEL LIKE A LOT, THERE'S A LOT MORE OF THE PROJECTS IN HERE WHERE IT'S CONTINUED TO KIND OF BE LIKE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR A WHILE.

THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS BEEN ADJUSTED IN THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE OUT YEAR.

SO MY GUT WAS TELLING ME LIKE 10% IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, LOWER IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.

SO IN THE BUDGET, WE HAVE 8 MILLION, UM, AS JUST A WAG, UM, FOR PURCHASING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMIN SITE.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS GOING TO BE.

UM, JULY, 2029.

UM, AND MAYBE IT'S MORE THAN SUFFICIENT.

MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE MORE.

UM, I DID PUT IN HERE WHAT IF IT'S 12 MILLION? AND IF IT IS, THEN, UM, WE'RE NOW AT THE END OF THE PLAN OF THE 10 YEARS WE'RE BELOW, UM, OUR RESERVE REQUIREMENT.

UM, I'M GONNA TURN THIS ONE BACK OFF AND CONTINUE TO KEEP 10%, BUT THEN I'M ALSO GONNA TURN ON THIS, UM, ONE AND A HALF MILLION OF NEW CIP COSTS EACH YEAR.

SO IN YOUR MEMO, UM, I HAD INFORMATION IN THERE ABOUT, UM, CIP PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT IN LAST YEAR'S 10 YEAR PLAN THAT GOT ADDED TO THIS YEAR'S PLAN.

THAT ADDED UP TO A TOTAL OF ABOUT 15 MILLION.

UM, UH, 1.7 MILLION WAS IN YEAR ONE.

UM, IN THE FIRST THREE FUNDED YEARS OF THAT 15 MILLION, 11.7 MILLION OF IT WAS IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS.

SO WE'RE ADDING PROJECTS AND I'VE GOT LIKE, UH, GOING BACK TO WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, WE'RE ADDING PROJECTS IN YEAR ONE IN THE NEXT YEAR, ALL THE TIME

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IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SAYING HERE'S OUR PLAN PROJECTS FROM LAST YEAR ROLL OFF.

NOW WE'RE ADDING TO YEAR 10 AND HAVING THESE THINGS ROLL FORWARD.

IT HAS NOT HAPPENED THAT WAY WHATSOEVER.

WE HAVE HAD THINGS BEING ADDED TO YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO.

WE DID HAVE A FEW TIMES WHERE WE DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING TO YEAR THREE OR A FEW TIMES WHERE WE DIDN'T ADD TO FUTURE YEARS.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE ADDING TO ALL OF THOSE, UM, SECTIONS.

ON AVERAGE, WE ADD ABOUT 1.5 MILLION, UM, TO YEAR ONE ON AVERAGE, WE ADD $10 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS TO THE PLAN.

THIS IS NOT TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE PLAN AND IT, AND THE COST INCREASE.

THIS IS TALKING ABOUT ADDING NEW PROJECTS.

UM, QUESTION REAL QUICK, SORRY.

YEAH, YEAH.

WHAT'S THE ASSUMED INCREASE IN REVENUE FROM YEAR TO YEAR IN THIS, UH, FAIRLY MODEST ON THE, UM, SALES AND BED TAX MM-HMM.

REVENUES.

UM, I DID, UM, AN AVERAGE ACROSS THE TIME OF ABOUT 3.5%.

IF, IF SOMETHING, IF THINGS TURN AROUND AND, AND GO BACK TO LIKE, WHEN WE CAME OUT OF THE GREAT RECESSION AND WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE AND, UM, COUNSEL HAD SIGNED THE, THE CONTRACT WITH THE CHAMBER FOR DESTINATION MARKETING, AND THEN YEAR OVER YEAR WE WERE SEEING DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASES.

OF COURSE, THAT CHANGES THE PICTURE COMPLETE.

THIS IS, THIS IS BASED OFF OF AN ASSUMPTION OF, OF TRYING TO HAVE SOME MODERATE, UM, INCREASES IN THOSE REVENUES WITHOUT DRAMATICALLY IMPACTING THE LEVEL OF TOURISM COMING IN.

SO, ISN'T PART OF THE MORAL OF THE STORY HERE THAT WITH ANY REASONABLE, I MEAN, YOU'RE PLANNING ESSENTIALLY THAT CPI ON CIP IS GONNA OUTSTRIP REVENUE GROWTH OVER THE, THE TIME PERIOD MOST LIKELY.

AND THEREFORE, FROM AN EXPECTATION SETTING STANDPOINT, WE CAN'T, SHOULDN'T EXPECT TO BE AS AGGRESSIVE AND BE ABLE TO DO AS MUCH FROM A CIP PROJECT IN THE OUT YEARS AS WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

I'M WORKING TOWARDS THAT .

UM, SO, UM, ON, ON THE AVERAGES.

SO SINCE, UM, UH, SO THE, WHEN COVID HIT, IT WAS THE FISCAL YEAR 21 BUDGET THAT WE WERE WORKING ON.

UH, 'CAUSE IT WAS AT THE END OF, OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2020.

UM, SO FROM FISCAL YEAR 22 THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET, THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF CIP PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING ADDED TO YEAR ONE IS ACTUALLY 1.9 MILLION.

SO I WENT A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE WITH THE 1.5 OF ADDING TO THE CIP EACH YEAR, WHAT I'M NOT DOING.

SO I'M LOOKING AT HOW MUCH IS BEING ADDED AND PUTTING IT FOR YEAR ONE.

BUT IN THAT AVERAGE, SINCE FISCAL YEAR 22, WE'VE AVERAGED ADDING 16 MILLION IN TOTAL PROJECTS IN A 10 YEAR PLAN.

SO I'M NOT COMPOUNDING THESE, I'M ONLY DOING LIKE, OKAY.

SO YEAR ONE WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER 1.5 MILLION.

UM, I'M, I'M SORRY, SHERRY, IF I COULD INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND.

UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ADDING 1.5 MILLION, THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY NEW PROJECTS WORTH 1.5 MILLION, UM, OR MAYBE IT IS, AS OPPOSED TO INFLATION IS ALSO FACTORED IN.

SO YOU'RE NOT IN, YOU'RE NOT FACTORING IN THE INFLATIONARY COST OF A CARRYOVER, RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD 1.5 MILLION IN NEW PROJECTS RIGHT.

ON TOP OF WHATEVER THE INFLATIONARY IMPACT IS ON A CARRYOVER.

SO, UM, ON ON PAGE 12 OF THE MEMO, UM, THAT WAS IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET, THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ADDED, SO FIF, UM, ALMOST 15 MILLION.

UM, AND THAT WAS 12 PROJECTS THAT WERE ADDED THAT WERE NOT IN LAST YEAR'S CIP PLAN.

WOULD'VE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY FIXED, BUT NOW EVERYTHING IS CALLED SIM AND THAT 10 YEAR FROM TODAY IS ANOTHER 10 YEARS, AND NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE ANOTHER 10 YEARS.

SO WE HAD SIM WE HAD A 10 YEAR PLAN.

ALL THE PROJECTS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THAT 10 YEAR PLAN.

I'M NOT EVEN GONNA TALK ABOUT THE COST INCREASES, JUST THE PROJECTS.

AT WHAT POINT DO WE STOP CALLING THEM SIM YOU KNOW, THAT 10 YEAR PLAN SHOULD BE RELATIVE.

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I, I THINK WE, WE APPROVED A PLAN THAT HAD SPECIFIC PROJECTS TO ACCOMPLISH SPECIFIC GOALS.

AND YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES YOU FIND THINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW AS YOU GO ALONG, BUT I THINK THIS IS KIND OF OUTTA CONTROL.

WE'RE NOT EVALUATING THESE PROJECTS NOW.

WE'RE JUST SAYING, OH, THEY'RE SIM PROJECT.

AND WE NEED IT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE EVALUATING 'EM ON OUR END, IF THAT HELPS.

BUT I GUESS WHAT, WHAT I SEE IT BEING IMPORTANT TO KEEP REFERRING TO SIM FOR IS THAT WAS THE BRANDING THAT CAME OUT OF OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

AND THOSE GOALS THAT YOU REFER TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 12 MAIN GOALS THAT WE CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO BUILD ON, I GUESS, NEW PROJECTS, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, A A LOT OF WHAT'S IN PROCESS IS STILL PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BACK IN 2018 IN THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN.

THERE ARE A FEW, UH, PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, UM, MAINLY THE NEW, NEW PROJECTS THAT WEREN'T IDENTIFIED ARE, ARE IN THE SECTION 11.

THE, THE BIKE AND PED STRATEGY STEPS, ALL OF THAT.

THE, THAT'S THE BIGGEST AREA WHERE NEW PROJECTS ARE COMING OUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO MASTER PLANNING SPECIFIC TO THAT ONE GOAL.

WE DID IT LATER THROUGH THE GO EFFORT.

UM, SO, SO TO ME, THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF NEW PROJECTS ARE COMING IN.

WE'VE HAD A FEW WITH RESPECT TO THE RANGER EXTENSION.

UM, ALSO THERE ARE A FEW, UM, RELATED TO TRANSIT IMPROVEMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

A LOT OF THOSE ARE INTERRELATED AS WELL.

BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF REFERRING TO SIM IN MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT WE'RE STILL BUILDING ON THOSE SAME GOALS.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO MEET THE GOALS THAT WE ESTABLISHED WITH THAT ORIGINAL TRANSPORTATION, UH, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

AT SOME POINT, JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER MASTER PLAN, YOU END UP UPDATING THE MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? SO THERE COULD BE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, A REEVALUATION AT SOME POINT OF WHERE WE'RE AT, WHICH WE CONTINUE TO DO QUARTERLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, AN OVERALL BIG LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO MOVING FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THESE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION RELATED ISSUES.

AND THERE COULD BE A NEW BRANDING BUILT OUT OF THAT.

THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.

I, I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO EVALUATE, AND I GET IT'S HARD TO, IT'S SUBJECTIVE AND ALL OF THAT.

WE JUST HAVE TO EVALUATE WHAT WE GOT, WHAT WE'RE GETTING.

WE HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.

THIS IS PUBLIC MONEY, AND I THINK WE ARE BEING ACCOUNTABLE.

IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE, BE EDUCATED.

SAY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ACCOUNTABLE IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RETURN, DOES IT HAVE TO BE A MONETARY RETURN, BUT THE RETURN? YEAH.

MY CONCERN IS, I MEAN, THERE'S AN IRONY HERE.

I JUST KEEP THINKING ABOUT, I MEAN, SHERRY, YOU SHOWED US A PROJECTION OF THE HIGHEST FUND BALANCE LEVEL EVER AT THE END OF FISCAL 25.

AND YET WE'RE COLLECTIVELY FEELING LIKE, OH, , YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE WE'RE GETTING CONSTRICTED AT THE SAME TIME.

I MEAN, THERE'S A CRAZY IRONY IN THAT, RIGHT? I KNOW.

YOU LOOK AT TRANSIT AND MULTIMODAL TYPE IMPROVEMENTS, THE SIM SEVEN, EIGHT, AND 11 , SORRY, THAT THAT BECOMES LESS CLEAR AND IT'S LESS DIRECTLY CONNECTED.

YOU KNOW, SO I, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE VICE MAYOR HOW YOU'RE FEELING ABOUT THIS.

I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A VERY ENTERTAINING AND SPIRITED, UH, SIM UH, DISCUSSION NEXT WEDNESDAY IS, IS MY GUESS.

AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME ACTION ITEMS OUT OF THERE THAT YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING.

WELL, AND I, I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN OUR INTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DASHBOARD FOR SIM TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT R-O-R-O-I, IF YOU WILL, IN RELATION TO TRAVEL TIME, AND YOU KNOW, HOW EACH TIME WE COMPLETE A PROJECT, HOW IT IMPACTS THAT TRAVEL TIME.

AND TO ME, THAT IS OUR ROI ON THOSE PROJECTS.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR, ANDY.

I THINK IT'S FAIR TOO.

BUT NOT EVERYTHING IS AROUND TRAVEL TIME.

NOT EVERY PROJECT RELATES TO, BOY, A LOT OF 'EM DO THOUGH.

I, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ONE THAT DOESN'T, WHEN, WHEN

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BUT THEY ARE STILL, UM, AIMED AT MANAGING CONGESTION, MANAGING TRAFFIC, GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS AND REDUCING CONGESTION THROUGH THOSE METHODS.

BUT IT, IT IS LESS DIRECT, BUT IT'S NOT ADDING CAPACITY.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE SIM FIVE AREAS, THE, YOU KNOW, MAJOR, MAJOR ROAD CONNECTIONS LIKE FOREST ROAD.

YOU CAN EASILY POINT TO THAT AND SAY IT WILL REDUCE CONGESTION.

BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT SOME OF THESE AREAS BECOME LESS CLEAR.

SO, SO ANOTHER QUESTION, SHERRY, LIKE IN THE MODEL, SO WHEN ROBERT WAS GOING THROUGH TRANSIT, UH, FUTURE PROJECTS AND FUNDING, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE OF THEM ARE ASSUMING GRANT FUNDING.

SO IS THIS ASSUMING RECEIVING THOSE GRANTS? YES.

YES, THAT'S TRUE.

OKAY, MELISSA.

SO, UM, I HEAR LOTS OF DIFFERENT THREADS HERE.

SO I'M GONNA TRY AND PICK THE THREADS APART.

AND SEE IF I'VE GOT THEM ALL.

SO ONE THREAD IS HOW MANY YEARS ARE WE INTO OUR 10 YEAR PLAN AND BASED ON HOW MANY YEARS WE'RE INTO OUR 10 YEAR PLAN, HOW ARE WE DOING ON OUR 10 YEAR PLAN? AND HOW MANY THINGS HAVE WE ADDED TO THE 10 YEAR PLAN THAT WERE DIFFERENT THAN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED? BECAUSE THAT WASN'T PART OF OUR 10 YEAR PLAN.

SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THE SVS WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL 10 YEAR PLAN, WE'VE CHANGED WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO JUST SORT OF KNOW WHAT, WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE STARTED, WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE THAT HAVE SORT OF COME OFF OF THAT, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE STILL IN AGREEMENT THAT THE TRACK IS RIGHT OR DO WE NEED, LIKE, SOME OF OUR OTHER BROADER PLANS.

DO WE NEED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND SORT OF RE-LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN? AND THE OTHER THING I'M, I'M HEARING IS WHERE, WHERE'S ALL THE MONEY COMING FROM? UM, I, I THINK IT'S CONFUSING FOR US.

UM, OR I'LL SAY FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT WHEN IN YOUR MODELS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY ACCOUNTING FOR INFLATIONARY IMPACT OF CARRYOVERS.

WE'RE, WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR GRANTS, BUT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THOSE GRANTS IN HAND, SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GONNA GET.

AND IN THOSE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD ON THE CIP PLAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I MADE OF, OF THIS IS ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THESE GRANTS, AND IF YOU DON'T GET THESE GRANTS, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.

EXCEPT I'M NOT SURE EVERYONE GOT THAT.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE THEY HEARD YOU, BUT I'M NOT SURE THEY ABSORBED THE IMPACT OF WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS FOR, FOR SOME OF THESE, THESE PROJECTS.

YOU GOTTA SEE IT UP THERE.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I ALSO THINK IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT REALLY IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WE GOT PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS.

SO ALL YOU DID IS YOU MADE THEM PARK OVER AT A SHUTTLE PARKING STOP AND YOU GOT THEM OUTTA THEIR CARS TO GO TO THE SHUTTLE HEAD OR TO GO TO THE TRAIL HEADS THAT THEY GO TO, AND THEN THEY GET BACK IN THEIR CARS AND THEY GO WHEREVER IT IS THEY'RE GOING.

SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE ONLY GETTING THEM OUT OF THEIR CARS FOR A COUPLE HOURS AND THEN THEY'RE GOING BACK INTO THEIR CARS.

IS THAT A GOOD IMPACT OR A BAD IMPACT OR A NEUTRAL IMPACT? I THINK THAT'S TO THE POINT OF IT'S VERY HARD TO KNOW.

I I WOULD ALSO, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT DIRECTLY TO YOUR POINT, BUT A SIDE NOTE IF I CAN, IS, IS REALLY ONE OF THE BIG GOALS WITH, WITH STEPS AS A PROGRAM, IS THAT WE'RE CONNECTING TO THESE TRAILHEADS FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS WELL AND, AND EVENTUALLY TO THE PARK AND RIDE.

SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, AT THE 1 79 PARK AND RIDE OR THE WEST SEDONA PARK AND RIDE EITHER ONE, EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE VERY CONVENIENT FOR ANY USER, YOU KNOW, OF, OF OUR TRAIL SYSTEM TO LEAVE THEIR VEHICLE AT THE PARK AND RIDE AND GET ON.

NOT NOT JUST TRANSIT, BUT ALSO GET ON OUR SHARED USE PATHS AND GET TO A TRAIL HEAD.

OR IF THEY'RE IN A, A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHETHER IT BE A, A RESIDENT OR ONE OF OUR VISITORS , THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET ON THE SGI PADS AND GET TO THE TRAILHEADS AND BACK AS WELL.

SO, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.

I I UNDERSTAND THAT IT COMPLETELY, BUT IT HAS TO BE MEASURABLE IN ORDER FOR US TO, TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A GOOD IMPACT.

AND, UM, WE CAN SAY, PEOPLE GO, YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S FEWER CARS RUNNING DOWN MY ROAD.

SO IF, IF I WERE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA WHERE YOU'VE PUT AN SUP AND WE GO AROUND AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO IT.

SO I'M WAVING, WAVING MY HANDS, AND YOU DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S A CURTAIN BEHIND WHICH I AM STANDING.

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WE HAVE A LOT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I'M NOT SEEING AS MUCH TRAFFIC, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE GETTING OUT OF THEIR CARS AND THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING ELSE, WHATEVER THAT ELSE MIGHT BE.

MAYBE IT'S WALKING OR THEY HAVE MOUNTAIN BIKES, OR MAYBE THEY'RE GETTING ON A MICRO TRANSIT.

KIND OF A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

BUT THERE HAS TO BE A WAY FOR US TO HAVE HOW PEOPLE FEEL, WHICH IS QUALITATIVE, NOT QUANTITATIVE, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE HELPING IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.

NOT JUST TO MAKE IT SO IT DOESN'T TAKE 45 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH THE VILLAGE TO WEST SEDONA.

JUST 'CAUSE YOU WAITING HERE.

UH, NO, I JUST WAS NEXT.

YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW.

WELL, EXCEPT FOR THE COMING DOWN THE CANYON, I DON'T EXPECT ANYBODY IN THIS WHOLE CITY THINKS THAT ANYTHING WE'VE DONE HAS IMPROVED THEIR LIFE ONE IOTA IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION.

I THINK WE HAVE PEOPLE, PROFESSIONALS AND WHO, WHO KNOW THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS GOING TO HAVE IMPACTS.

IT, IT MAY NEVER BE PERCEPTIBLE ENOUGH ENOUGH TO RESIDENTS WHERE THEY SAY, YEAH, MY LIFE HAS IMPROVED BECAUSE OF THIS.

I WOULD BE, I MEAN, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM HOLLY, OR PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHETHER ANYBODY HAS EVER SAID THAT.

UM, I HAVE, AND I, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS, WHAT I WAS JUST GESTURING WITH THE MAYOR.

OH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, ONE OF THE INSTANCES I THINK WHERE SOMETIMES WE SPEND MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW, EVEN IF RESIDENTS, OR MAYBE NOT, MAYBE WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW IF RESIDENTS AREN'T HAPPY ABOUT IT.

UM, AND SO I, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M, I'M PUTTING IT IN, IN, IN LARGER TERMS JUST TO MAKE A POINT.

BUT I THINK THAT IS, I THINK IMPROVING TRAFFIC FLOW AND DOING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO ANYWAY REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT, THAT RESIDENTS MAY NOT VOTE THAT, THAT THEIR LIFE HAS BEEN IMPROVED BY THOSE, BY THAT SPENDING.

THANK YOU .

SO I KNOW YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE A LARGER POINT, UM, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY CLEAR.

THERE ARE WAYS FOR US WE HAVE TO GO OUT IF WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING A POSITIVE IMPACT, WHEN WE ARE GETTING METRICS FROM OUR PROFESSIONALS AND THE CONSULTANTS THAT SAY THAT, NO, IT REALLY HAS IMPROVED.

IT'S NOT AS OBVIOUS AS THE CANYON.

UM, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES PASSING THROUGH OUR CITY HAS INCREASED, BUT IT HASN'T INCREASED THEIR TIME TO DO THE TRAVEL.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO PEOPLE, WE'VE INCREASED IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING HERE FOR A DAY OR TWO OR THREE, HOWEVER LONG IT MIGHT BE.

AND YET YOU'RE NOT NOTICING ANY GREAT IMPACT ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR PRIVATE ROADS, ON YOUR, YOUR THROUGH STREETS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF METRICS THAT THESE, THESE STUDIES ARE SHOWING US THAT WE CAN THEN HELP DISSEMINATE WHY IT'S WHY THEY THINK IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER, BUT IT ACTUALLY IS BETTER THAN THEY THINK.

SO I, I UNDERSTAND PERCEPTION IS PERCEPTION.

IT'S HOW YOU FEEL AND IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT, IT'S JUST HOW YOU FEEL.

AND WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FEELING OF HOW OUR RESIDENTS FEEL.

AND THEN IT'S, IT'S UP TO US AS REPRESENTATIVES AND UP TO THE CITY STAFF TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS, INCLUDING OURSELVES, UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IMPACT POSSIBLY REALLY IS.

THEY'RE JUST NOT SEEING IT.

THEY'RE NOT SEEING IT GET WORSE AND THE THING THAT MEANS IT'S GETTING BETTER.

AGAIN, WE'RE BACK TO THAT PROVING A NEGATIVE THING AND IT MAY IN FACT BE GETTING WORSE BECAUSE OF VOLUME.

SO I JUST, WHAT THEY SAY, I, I JUST THINK WE, WE, WE, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT SPIRITED DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK.

I MEAN, ANDY, I KEEP LOOKING AT YOU, YOU'RE THE PROXY FOR, FOR PUBLIC WORKS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW WHERE OUR HEADS ARE.

IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK.

FRUSTRATING AS ALL CAN BE.

YOU'LL LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, ME AND THE MAYOR AND YOU KNOW, AND EVEN PETE, THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT.

I, I APPRECIATE , RIGHT KAREN, BUT THIS ISN'T GETTING US ANY FURTHER TO FINISHING OUT OUR WORK TODAY.

KAREN, WHAT'S THE WAY, I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT BECAUSE I WILL NOT BE HERE NEXT WEEK TO MAKE IT.

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YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR MIND AND JUST VISIT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT WAS FINISHED IN 2018.

WE'RE BARELY SIX IN YEARS INTO WHAT WAS INITIALLY A TENURE PROGRAM.

RIGHT? AND THERE ARE SO MANY PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN AND CONCEPT PHASE THAT HAVEN'T EVEN HAD THE CHANCE TO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY.

WE'VE TALKED AT NAUSEAM ABOUT HOW EACH OF THESE THINGS WORKS TOGETHER.

SO AT THIS POINT, I DON'T EXPECT THAT WE HAVE THIS APPRECIABLE, MIRACULOUS IMPROVEMENT TO TRAFFIC FLOW, BUT I DO BELIEVE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM THIS PROGRAM, FROM THE MODEL, FROM THESE INCREMENTAL PIECES THAT, AND HOW THEY ALL FIT TOGETHER, THAT THERE WILL BE AN APPRECIABLE MEASURABLE DIFFERENCE IN, IN TRAFFIC FLOW AND CONGESTION THAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN SEE AND FEEL AND EXPERIENCE.

BUT WE STILL HAVE, THERE ARE STILL MANY YEARS WORTH OF CONSTRUCTION TO GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT AND SEE THE FRUITS OF ALL OF THAT.

IT'S JUST STILL WE'RE IN, IN THE EARLY PART OF THIS.

THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

AND I THINK NEXT WEEK MAYBE WE CAN START TO POINT TO A TIME IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE WILL START TO SEE REALLY BIG IMPACTS ON THAT WITH OUR DASHBOARD THAT WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD.

YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THINK A YEAR OR TWO AGO, IF WE PULLED UP A DASHBOARD AND SHOWED YOU WHAT OUR, OUR IMPACTS HAVE BEEN, THERE WOULDN'T BE MUCH TO LOOK AT.

AND WE'RE JUST GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING TO START TO TALK ABOUT AND LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND, BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT'S GONNA BECOME A BIGGER AND BIGGER DISCUSSION AND SOMETHING MORE MEANINGFUL.

YOU WANNA MOVE ON? I, I DO, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MY CONTRIBUTION TO JUMPING INTO THIS CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING IS, IS IT'S JUST THE SOBERING REALITY THAT NOT WHETHER WE SHOULD CONTINUE JUST THE PACE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DEPENDING ON HOW REVENUES COME IN AND HOW COSTS CONTINUE TO GO UP.

SO AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, SAY NO, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS.

SO ANYWAYS, YES, I KNOW KATHY'S OR COUNSELOR, I, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS THAT WE ARE HAVING THE CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO BE HAVING AT THE NEXT PRESENTATION.

WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE ON FROM HERE.

UM, I HAVE IN HERE, UM, ONE TIME DECISION PACKAGES, UM, AT 400,000 PER YEAR.

SO SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THE AVERAGE OF ONE TIME DECISION PACKAGES HAVE BEEN, UM, A LITTLE OVER 600,000 SINCE FISCAL YEAR 22.

AND NOT INCLUDING THE 1.5 MILLION FOR THE P-S-P-R-S THIS YEAR.

I PULLED THAT NUMBER OUT SINCE FISCAL YEAR 22.

IT'S BEEN A LITTLE OVER 400,000 PER YEAR.

SO I WENT WITH THE 400,000 AS HAVE AN AVERAGE OF HOW MUCH WE ADD IN ONE TIME DECISION PACKAGES FOR ONGOING DECISION PACKAGES.

SO ADDING HALF A MILLION EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

UM, THE AVERAGE OF HOW MUCH WE'VE ADDED IN ONGOING DECISION PACKAGES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE HAS BEEN OVER 700,000 SINCE FISCAL YEAR 22.

IT'S BEEN A LITTLE OVER A MILLION.

SO I'M BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE IN MY NUMBER HERE OF 500,000 OF ONGOING DECISION PACKAGES.

SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE NOW IN THE RED IN YEAR 10, SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A BLACK BAR.

SO MY POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE WAS THE PATH THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING, WE CAN'T KEEP ON THE SAME PATH FOR 10 YEARS.

SO REALLY WHAT THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, UM, ON TOP OF THAT, SO I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THAT THE, UH, DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING CONSULTANTS WERE TRYING TO SAY THAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT DOING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER BECAUSE WE WOULD SAVE MONEY OVER THE LONG HAUL AND WE'D PAY MORE WHEN WE PIECEMEAL THAT.

UM, SO THAT'S ADDING LIKE, UM, 6 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 26.

IF WE CASH FUND THAT, THEN THERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE SAY NO, 'CAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO SAY, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CASH FUND THAT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DO DEBT FINANCING.

SO I BUILT

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IN HERE.

WELL WHAT IF WE DID, OOPS.

UM, DEBT FINANCING FOR 10 YEARS HELPS A LITTLE BIT IN THE EARLIER YEARS, BUT WE'RE STILL, UM, WITH THE LATER PART OF THE PLAN, UM, SINCE THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ARTS, I DID PUT IN HERE THE OPTION OF ADDING THE ARTS.

IT JUST MAKES THE PICTURE LOOK WORSE, UM, WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO IF I KEEP THE 10% ANNUAL INCREASE ON, UM, CIP KEEP WHERE WE'VE BEEN ON ONE TIME, DECISION PACKAGES GOING ON A LITTLE BIT OF A DIET ON OUR ONGOING DECISION PACKAGES.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GONNA FALL ON THE, BUT IF I LEAVE THE DEBT FINANCING OF THE DECARBONIZATION PROJECTS AND I SAY, LET'S JUST SAY WE CAN'T DO MORE THAN $20 MILLION PER YEAR OF NON WASTEWATER CIP PROJECTS, IT GETS US IN A BETTER SITUATION.

WE'RE STILL BELOW OUR RESERVE REQUIREMENT IN YEAR 10 ENOUGH TO BE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SOME BETTER YEARS ON OUR SALES AND BED TAX COLLECTION.

LIKE MAYBE, MAYBE WE GET THERE.

UM, I ALSO, SORRY, ANOTHER QUESTION.

HOW, HOW MUCH OF THE ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM IS BAKED INTO HERE? I MEAN, DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S FULLY BAKED IN? NO, ONLY SOME PORTION OF IT BECAUSE IT, IT, WE ARE THINKING THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO GET ALL THE VARIOUS PIECES DEALT WITH THAT WE, THIS IS QUITE A WHILE .

SO, SO, SO SO IN THE LATER YEARS.

SO WE'VE GOT BUILT IN LIKE, UM, SOME OF THAT, UM, FIXED WRAP AND STUFF IN THERE BASED ON, SO IT IS STUDY HEAD TO HEAD.

SO YOU WOULD SAY THAT A ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM IS FACTORED IN? YEAH.

UM, IF WE SAY WE DON'T WANNA DO THE 8 MILLION CASH OUTLAY FOR, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMIN SITE AND WE WANT TO DEBT FINANCE THAT, THEN THAT GETS US INTO THAT LAST YEAR BEING WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

UM, HOWEVER, IF I SAY NO INSTEAD OF 8 MILLION AND WE COULD GO WITH SOME OTHER NUMBER IF YOU WANT 12 MILLION AND WE DEBT FINANCE IT, UM, WE'RE CLOSE.

UH, SHERRY, SO IN YOUR MODEL, HAVE YOU, UM, BUILT IN LIKE THE GARAGE AND IF YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU BUILT IN THE GARAGE AS DEBT FINANCED OR AS PAID OUTRIGHT DEBT FINANCED? OKAY, SO, UM, IF I SAY WE'RE GONNA CASH FUND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMIN SITE, WE'LL KEEP IT AT THE 8 MILLION.

AND IF I SAY OUR CAP PER YEAR IS 18 MILLION IN, THEN WE'RE ABOVE THE LINE.

WE HAVE SOME PRETTY DECENT YEARS, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THESE OTHER TWO LINES.

SO THE SOLID BLACK LINE IS REVENUES COMING IN AND THE DOTTED RED LINE IS EXPENDITURES.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMBALANCE THERE THAT IF THAT WE'RE GOING DOWN AND DOWN IN OUR NUMBERS AT SOME POINT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME BALANCING THAT OUT.

THERE'S ENOUGH BUILT UP RESERVES TO BE ABLE TO COVER IT THROUGH THAT 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME, BUT AT SOME POINT YOU NEED TO FIX THAT STRUCTURE.

NOW OUR $85 MILLION BALANCE, HOW DOES THAT FACTORED IN HERE? THE ONE WE HAVE THAT WE JUST SAW BEFORE? IT, IT, YEAH, WE'RE STARTING OFF WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

SORRY, JUMPING IN AGAIN.

THIS IS, THIS IS QUITE A FEW YEARS OUT.

YEAH, SO A TOTAL OF 4 MILLION IS WHAT'S IN THE, THE BASELINE CIP SO OF THE ADDING 1.5 MILLION EVERY YEAR.

SO ONE OF THE TOPICS OF CONVERSATION WILL BE WHAT IS IT WE'RE GONNA DO OUT AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY PROPERTY? AND SO IS, ARE ANY TYPES OF CIP PROJECTS FIGURED INTO THAT WHERE THE CITY IS CONTRIBUTING AS OPPOSED TO WE'RE DOING A LAND LEASE TO SOME SOMEBODY.

SO THERE IS PLACEHOLDER BUILT INTO THE 10 YEAR PLAN EXISTING, THERE'S 2 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR, UM, 27, AND I THINK ALSO ANOTHER 2 MILLION IN THE FUTURE YEARS I THINK IS, IS WHAT WE HAVE PER YEAR, SHERRY NO, NO.

UM,

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AND THESE AREN'T ALWAYS CIP PROJECTS.

I MEAN, IT'S A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT GET ADDED.

SO SOME OF THAT WOULD, COULD POTENTIALLY BE THINGS RELATED TO THE CULTURAL PARK DEVELOPMENT.

WESTERN GATEWAY.

WESTERN GATEWAY, YES.

BUT IF WE POTENTIALLY ARE SPENDING $6 MILLION ON ONE PROJECT, ONE PROJECT THAT GETS US 47 UNITS, RIGHT? MM-HMM, 46 UNITS, 6.2 MILLION.

IF WE DO THAT, I MEAN, 4 MILLION ISN'T GONNA GET US.

ITS VERY FAR OVER 10 YEARS.

THAT WAS FOR DEVELOPMENT COSTS IN THE CIP THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY LIKE A BALANCE SHEET LOAN.

AND SO IF YOU DO WANT TO TAKE MORE CASH AWAY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE BALANCE SHEET LOANS FOR HOUSING, THAT'S NOT PART OF THESE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.

AND ONE, WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE THE CIP SO WE COULDN'T INCORPORATE MORE THAN $4 MILLION OF DEVELOPMENT COSTS AND WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE PLAN YET.

SO A YEAR FROM NOW, PRESUMING THERE'LL BE SOME INDICATION OF WHAT THOSE USES ARE OR WHAT THE POTENTIAL TIMEFRAME IS, BECAUSE I MEAN, HOUSING IS ONE THING, BUT THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO ASK FOR OTHER COMMUNITY AMENITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND SO IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN FIT IN A 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S IN A 20 YEAR HORIZON? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAPPEN UNTIL SIM PROJECTS HAVE, ARE FARTHER ALONG TO WHERE MAYBE THERE'S MONEY FREED UP FOR OTHER THINGS? I MEAN, THOSE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE FUTURE DECISIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE WAS, WE DIDN'T WANNA SPECULATE EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD HAVE PUT A MUCH LARGER NUMBER IN THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER AND TWO, THAT WAS ALL WE COULD AFFORD AND STILL BALANCE THE FUND.

I WANNA MOVE ON TOO, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES IN, RIGHT? I MEAN THEY'RE ALL OUR PRIORITIES, BUT THEY CAN'T ALL BE OUR PRIORITIES.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TELLING US TO ME ANYWAY.

WELL, AND THAT TIES IN JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT, THAT TIES IN TO THE DECISION PACKAGES BECAUSE THE MORE WE IMPLEMENT OUR PRIORITIES, THE MORE WE NEED TO ADD STAFF AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND EQUIPMENT AND DESKS AND EVERYTHING.

SO I TOTALLY, TOTALLY WITH YOU.

SO IT IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE, SHERRY.

OKAY, WE'RE DONE.

THE FACT THAT WE'RE SUCCESSFUL.

SO, SO, UM, ON THIS SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, UM, WHERE I CA IT AT 18 MILLION, UM, AND DO YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF YOUR THINGS? SO, SO HAVING SOME STRUCTURAL, UM, IMBALANCE THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND USE SOME OF THOSE FUN BALANCES IS NOT A BAD THING AS LONG AS YOU GET BACK TO A POINT TO WHERE IT IS STRUCTURALLY BALANCED, UM, UNDER THIS SCENARIO.

SO IN YOUR THREE FUNDED YEARS, IT ADDS UP TO ABOUT 111 MILLION IN CIP PROJECTS FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

GEEZ.

THE MOST WE'VE DONE SO FAR IN A YEAR AND MAYBE 25 WILL FINALLY BEAT THAT NUMBER, UM, HAS BEEN 12 MILLION.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU FACTOR IN LIKE LAND, UM, THEN THERE'S A YEAR WHERE WE HAD 15 MILLION.

UM, BUT LAND IS LIKE, IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE PROJECT MANAGERS LIKE CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE REST OF THAT STUFF.

SO, UM, WITH THE GARAGE AND THE FOREST ROAD, WE LOOKED AT THOSE REALLY BIG NUMBERS.

UM, WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF OF BEATING THAT 12 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 25, ASSUMING THAT THERE'S NO DELAYS.

SO SHERRY, I HAD, JUST TO HELP WITH YOUR CONVERSATION, I HAD KURT LOOK IT UP EARLIER TODAY AND PUBLIC WORKS MANAGED PROJECTS WE'RE ALMOST AT 12 MILLION SPENT SO FAR THIS YEAR.

TAKING 13 MILLION OUT OF FISCAL YEAR 26, PUSHING IT TO FUTURE YEARS, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT THE ONE PROJECT OF THE INTERSECTION, UM, OUT AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH THERE'S 5 MILLION RIGHT THERE.

SO, OKAY, KEEP IN MIND, KEEP IN MIND.

SO, UM, IF, SO, DOING 111 MILLION IN THREE YEARS JUST SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT TO ME.

UM, I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER BECAUSE OF THE GARAGE, BECAUSE OF FOREST ROAD, ALL OF THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 25 UNDER THIS TYPE OF SCENARIO, IF IT'S AN $18 MILLION CAP, THEN BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE SHEETS,

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UM, AND IN FISCAL YEAR 27 TAKING 12 MILLION FROM WHAT YOU SEE ON THESE SHEETS AND MOVING IT TO FUTURE YEARS.

SO AT SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT LOOKING AT WHAT REALLY ARE THE PRIORITIES OF WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.

UH, KEEP IN MIND WE, WE'VE GOT AN HOUR AND A HALF TO, YOU KNOW YEP.

THE COMPLETION.

WELL I, RIGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE THE DECISION PACKAGES TO GO THROUGH.

HAVE WE LOOKED AT REVENUE SOURCES AS FAR AS NEW OR ENHANCED? AND SPECIFICALLY, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE SEDONA SHUTTLE AND HAVE WE DONE ANY MODELING OF IF WE STARTED TO CHARGE A FEE FOR USE OF THE SEDONA SHUTTLE? NO, IT, THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT.

SO, UM, I'M GONNA TURN OFF THIS CHAIR IF I CAN INTERRUPT.

JUST REALLY QUICKLY, HAS STAFF LOOKED AT ALL AT THE IDEA OF CHARGING FOR OUR CURRENT SHUTTLES? HAS THIS EVEN BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROACHED WITHIN STAFF? YES, IT HAS.

THE DIRECTION INITIALLY, UM, WAS TO, IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE RIDERSHIP WAS TO MAKE THEM FREE.

BUT NOW THAT IT'S BEEN ACTIVE AND IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE, YEAH.

COULD WE LOOK AT $2 AHEAD OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING VERY MINIMAL, BUT IT WOULD, WOULD IT, WOULD IT, WOULD IT NOT EVEN PAY? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

IT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW THAT ROBERT HAS DONE THAT ANALYSIS.

IT IS BUILT INTO THE CONTRACT WITH MV THAT, UM, THAT IF WE DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO IMPOSE FEES, THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN FEE SCHEDULE FOR THEM, UM, TO COLLECT.

BUT, BUT YES, IT'S POSSIBLE.

DO THEY EVEN HAVE A, A CHIP READER IN THE, YOU KNOW, DOES THE COME PRE NOT CURRENTLY, BUT SO THAT'S ANOTHER, BUT IT WOULD BE, YEAH, BUT IT'S BUILT INTO THE CONTRACT SO THAT THE, I MEAN, THE VENDOR IS, UM, A TRANSIT OPERATOR.

THEY DO THIS ALL OVER.

THEY HAVE LOTS OF SYSTEMS THAT THEY WORK WITH.

SO WE, YES, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING, IN FACT, THE, THE ON DEMAND SYSTEM, THE MICRO TRANSIT WILL BE A PAY SERVICE.

SO THEY, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THEY'LL BE INCORPORATING INTO THOSE VEHICLES AND THAT SYSTEM.

DO WE KNOW HOW MANY BOARDINGS WE HAD IN THE LAST YEAR? THE RIDERSHIP NUMBER THAT, UM, ROBERT HAS FOR THE ESTIMATE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR IS 375,000.

FISCAL YEAR 23 ACTUAL WAS 309,000.

NOW MANY.

SO 309 LAST YEAR, 375 ESTIMATED FOR THIS YEAR.

AND THAT'S BOARDING, SO TECHNICALLY DIVIDE BY TWO AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, RIGHT.

SO I'M GONNA TURN OFF THIS, UM, CAP AT THE 18 MILLION AND SAY, UM, OOPS.

UM, IF WE LET THINGS STAND AS THEY ARE FOR THE THREE YEARS OF THE PLAN AND SAY, OKAY, WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THOSE, BUT THEN WE NEED TO CAP IT.

AND SO I'VE GOT 14 MILLION STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 28.

SO OUR FUTURE YEARS NUMBERS, UM, THAT PUTS US IN A LITTLE BETTER.

UM, WE'RE KIND OF CLOSE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS TO THE DOTTED LINE.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, UM, SOLID BLACK LINE REVENUES AND THE DOTTED RED LINE EXPENDITURES, THEN THAT PUTS US A LITTLE CLOSER TO BALANCE, UM, STRUCTURAL BALANCE IN THOSE AMOUNTS.

CAN YOU WRITE UP THE ASSUMPTIONS? SO YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU CAP AT $18 MILLION, THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS SCENARIO.

SO THIS ONE, I'M SAYING, OKAY, WHAT'S THIS ONE? THIS ONE IS SAYING CAPPING AT IT, IT REQUIRES ME GOING DOWN TO 14 MILLION STARTING FISCAL YEAR 28, WHICH IS BASICALLY YOUR FUTURE YEARS COLUMN.

I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE IN WRITING.

IT IS, IF YOU CAN READ IT, .

OH YEAH.

BUT, BUT THAT'S WITH, GIVE US THE SLIDES WITH THESE VARIOUS SCENARIOS AND TELL US WHAT THEY ARE.

SOMEBODY HAS TO KEEP TRACK OF THIS.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO, SO THE THIS, AND I MEAN, THE NUMBERS CHANGE ALL THE TIME TOO.

UM, WHERE YOU'RE AT STRUCTURAL BALANCE.

SO NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GONNA BE LIKE, OH, OKAY, WELL NOW WE CAN DELAY A YEAR OR WHATEVER.

WHO KNOWS? OR WHAT WE NEED TO DO IT SOONER.

UH, BUT THIS GETS YOU TO WHERE YOU'RE ABOUT WHERE YOUR RESERVES ARE AND ABOUT,

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UM, IT ASSUMES THAT YOU, IT IS STILL ON THE TRACK OF WE'RE ADDING, UM, ONE AND A HALF MILLION OF NEW PROJECTS EVERY SINGLE YEAR THAT WE'RE ADDING ONE TIME DECISION PACKAGES OF 400,000 EVERY YEAR.

AND WE'RE ADDING ONGOING DECISION PACKAGES OF HALF MILLION EVERY YEAR.

500,000.

SO, SO NOW YOU KNOW WHY I KEPT SAYING, WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE LONG RANGE FORECAST 500,000 OF DECISION PACKAGES NOW STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 26.

SO NOT THIS YEAR.

SO THIS IS, THIS ASSUMES THAT WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 STANDS BECAUSE WE'RE OH, WE COULD START IT NOW.

YES, WE COULD.

AND THAT YOU'D ONLY FUND ONE THIRD OF THE DECISION PACKAGES.

YEAH, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THEY PAY US THE MINIMUM WAGE BECAUSE WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT, RIGHT.

HEY, WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW?

[3.h. Recap and review of overall budget, decision packages, capital improvement projects, and financial impacts will be presented and discussed.]

SHE SAYS LOUDLY.

SO, UM, GENERAL FUND SURPLUSES, UM, SO JUST A REMINDER, UM, THAT THE SURPLUS IS BASICALLY, UM, THE BALANCE THAT'S LEFT OVER IN THE FUND OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THE RESERVE REQUIREMENTS ARE.

SO WE HAVE OPERATING RESERVE, WE HAVE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE, WE HAVE ALL THOSE VARIOUS RESERVES WHERE WE SAY WE NEED TO KEEP THIS MUCH FUND BALANCE IN THE, IN THE FUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND THIS IS HOW MUCH IS LEFT OVER TO BE ALLOCATED SOMEWHERE.

UM, OUR POLICY DOES SAY WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE RESERVES, WHETHER IT'S, UM, WE'VE GOT LISTED THERE, ELIMINATING SHORTFALLS, PUTTING IT TO CAPITAL NEEDS, ET CETERA.

UM, BUT WE, OUR POLICY SAYS WE WILL DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

WE ARE NOT JUST GONNA SAY, OH YEAH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A PROFIT ON THINGS LIKE, AND WE HAVE FAR TOO MANY PRIORITIES OUT THERE.

WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING.

WE WANNA ALLOCATE THESE MONIES TO, UM, THE FISCAL YEAR 23.

SO SEE THE HISTORY THERE ON THE SURPLUSES.

SO BACK IN 2015, UM, AND UM, UP THROUGH 2020, UH, IT WAS FAIRLY SMALL SURPLUSES AND IT'S BEEN KIND OF A MORE RECENT THING WHERE OUR SURPLUSES HAVE GONE UP QUITE A BIT.

AND A LOT OF THAT WAS RELATED TO THE SPIKE THAT WE FELT WITH, UM, POST COVID IN OUR TOURISM.

THE FISCAL YEAR 23 SURPLUS ACTUAL AMOUNT WAS 10.8 MILLION.

UM, WE DID ALLOCATE 4.9 MILLION OF THAT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS.

SO THERE'S 5.8 MILLION REMAINING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, 23 SURPLUS TO BE ALLOCATED 1.5 MILLION.

THERE'S A DECISION PACKAGE, UM, RECOMMENDING PUTTING THAT TOWARDS THE P-S-P-R-S UNFUNDED LIABILITY.

AND THEN WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO BALANCE OUT ALL THE NEED FOR THE CAPITAL RESERVES, PUTTING 4.3 MILLION OF THE REMAINING 4.3 MILLION OF THAT INTO CAPITAL RESERVES.

THE ESTIMATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 SURPLUS OF 11.1, UH, BASED OFF OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING, WE NEED TO TAKE 8.3 MILLION OF THAT AMOUNT AND PUT IT IN CAPITAL RESERVES.

THAT LEAVES A SMALL AMOUNT OF FISCAL YEAR 24 ESTIMATE AND THEN A, A BUDGET AMOUNT OF SURPLUS AND FISCAL YEAR 25.

NORMALLY WE KIND OF STOP THERE AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE TRY NOT TO ALLOCATE EVERY LAST PENNY OF IT BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY ESTIMATES.

FUNDING FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF THE PLAN.

SO IF YOU SAY I WANT TO ALLOCATE SURPLUS TO SOMETHING ELSE, THEN THE DIRECTION WOULD BASICALLY NEED TO BE, YOU NEED TO MOVE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA GET PAID OUTTA CIP FROM CAPITAL RESERVES SO THAT WE DON'T NEED TO CONTRIBUTE THIS MUCH TO CAPITAL RESERVES.

IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

WHAT WOULD WE MOVE? SAY THAT AGAIN.

SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE LIKE, I REALLY WANNA ALLOCATE SURPLUS TO SOMETHING ELSE, THE 4.1 P-P-S-P-S UNDER THE LI LET'S DO THAT OR WHATEVER.

THEN IN ORDER TO DO THAT, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE SAY WE BRING DOWN CIP AMOUNTS, UM, PARTICULARLY IN 26 AND 27, UM, THAT ARE USING CAPITAL RESERVES TO BE ABLE TO GET TO A NUMBER WHERE WE CAN DO THAT.

OH, YOU'RE FULLY FUNDED.

AND NEXT YEAR, ONCE WE KNOW LIKE, OKAY, WHAT'S WHERE NOW WHERE ARE WE AT ON SALES AND BED TAX AND ALL THAT, MAYBE ALL OF THIS WORKED OUT ANYWAY AND EVERYTHING'S FINE.

MAYBE CIP PROJECTS DON'T MOVE AS FAST AS THE WAY THAT THEY'RE BUDGETED AND WE'RE FINE.

AND, AND IT REALLY BECAME A NON-ISSUE ANYWAY THAT WE DIDN'T ALLOCATE THOSE, BUT OUR POLICY SAYS THAT WE WILL SET ASIDE THE

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, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN PAST YEARS THAT'S NOT BUILT INTO THIS BUDGET AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS WE USE A KIND OF A DUMMY CODE, UM, THE SIM ZERO ZERO, UM, PROJECT NUMBER TO SAY WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO AN OFFSET AND BRING DOWN THE BUDGET AND NOT EVEN TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT'S NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET WE HAD FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 SAYING WE'RE JUST GONNA REDUCE IT $2 MILLION.

SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT, UM, TO, TO SAVE THE DEBATE OVER, OKAY, WHAT IS THE PRIORITY THIS PROJECT IS A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN THAT PROJECT OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO ASSUME THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA MOVE FORWARD IN THIS MANNER AND DO AN OFFSET.

SO, UM, THESE ARE JUST KIND OF THE, THE AREAS FOR OUR RECAP.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING RELATED TO CITIZENS BUDGET, WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS, THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, CIP PROJECTS.

WE'LL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE DECISION PACKAGES.

ANY OTHER THINGS? P-S-P-R-S, UNFUNDED LIABILITY, ANY OF THAT STUFF, WHATEVER THE DIRECTION IS THAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT.

DO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE PSPR? YES.

AND SO, WELL, SHE'S RAISED IT AS A QUESTION.

NO ONE SAID ANYTHING.

I'M RAISING IT AS YES, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

AS PART OF THE RESERVES, I EXPECTED BRIAN TO DO IT, BUT OKAY, I'D LIKE TO ALLOCATE THE FULL AMOUNT, WHICH IS 4.4, 4.1 MILLION.

SO THERE'S 1.5 ALREADY.

SO WHAT IS THAT? UM, IT'S FOUR POINT WHAT I KNOW, I CAN'T EVEN, I CAN'T EVEN THINK IT'S 1.5.

SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING TAKING THE CAPITAL RESERVES, NOT PUTTING IT IN CAPITAL RESERVES? NO, I, THERE'S TAKING ANOTHER 2.6 MILLION TO PAY OFF THE PSP UNFUNDED LIABILITY AS IT STANDS, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO YOU WOULD TAKE THAT FROM THE 23 FROM THE 23 SURPLUS.

SO I LIKE THAT.

SO DO I PETE? YEP.

YEAH, I FIGURED YOU WOULD.

THAT MEANS TO BALANCE, WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE CIP BY, BY SOME AMOUNT A MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS, WHATEVER IT IS, ONE PERSON AT A TIME, PLEASE.

HOW MUCH IS COMING OUT OF THE, HOW MUCH IS THAT HOLLY, THAT WE NEED TO REVERT? THAT'S 1.7.

THAT IS, THERE'S 1.7 LEFT IN THE CAPITAL RESERVE AFTER PULLING THE 2.6 TO ADD TO THE P-S-P-R-S FISCAL YEAR 23.

RIGHT? I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE REMAINING NUMBER? 1.7.

SO WE NEED A PROJECT THAT'S, AND THERE'S A LIST OF THOSE.

ARE WE, ARE WE PICKING A PROJECT OR ARE WE DOING THE DUMMY? YES, I'D LIKE TO DO THE DUMMY SIM DUMMY OFFSET.

UM, SINCE WE CAN'T PREDICT WHICH PROJECTS ARE NOT GOING FORWARD, I THINK WE HAVE TO USE THE DUMMY UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU SAW THAT YOU WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE SHOULD REALLY PUSH THIS PROJECT OUT, LIKE THE ONE THAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, UM, FOR THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS OUT OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

THAT ONE.

CAN I ASK WHAT THE, UH, YESTERDAY WE LEFT AN ISSUE ON THE TABLE BETWEEN, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RESOLUTION OF THAT WAS, BECAUSE THAT GOES TO THAT QUESTION.

SO WE, WE TALKED FURTHER ABOUT IT BETWEEN ME, KURT, AND, UH, ROBERT AND I, I THINK WE CAME TO A, UM, A COMPROMISE ON THAT.

I'M TRYING TO FIND THE NUMBER HERE.

SO THAT WAS THE ST UH, PTO EIGHT.

P EIGHT, YEAH.

PT OH EIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S WEIRD THAT IT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON, I GOT THE WRONG THING PULLED UP.

A CUSHION BETWEEN THE PT OH EIGHT VERSUS THE PTO ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION CENTER, WHICH WE NEED THAT INTERSECTION OPERATING BY THE TIME WE OPEN UP THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION CENTER.

NO WONDER.

BUT ANYWAY, THERE WAS 400,000 ALLOCATED FOR FY 25 AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HOLD ON TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND OF THAT FOR 25 THAT ALLOWS US TO GET A JUMPSTART ON THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND ALL THE STUDIES THAT WE THINK ARE GONNA TAKE A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME.

WHILE, WHILE I THINK WE ALL AGREED THAT WE HAD SOME TIME BUILT IN AS

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UM, WE STILL, THE VARIABLE OF GETTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES AND ALL THAT COMPLETE AND THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, FHWA IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS LIKELY TO BE TIME CONSUMING AND, AND COULD THROW SOME SURPRISES AT US ALONG THE WAY.

SO, SO ANDY, IF WE COULD TAKE THE 5 MILLION THAT'S IN FISCAL YEAR 26 AND MOVE IT TO FUTURE YEARS YEAH, THAT MORE THAN COVERS THE 2.6 MILLION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? SO, UM, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE MONEY NEEDED IN FISCAL YEAR 25, CORRECT.

BUT THE CONSTRUCTION COST FOR THAT INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT WAS, UM, OVER $5 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 26.

IF WE PUSH THAT OUT TO THE FUTURE YEARS COLUMN, THERE WE GO.

THEN WE DON'T, WE CAN ELIMINATE 5 MILLION OF HOW MUCH WE'RE SAYING WE NEED OF, OF SURPLUS TO, TO COVER CAPITAL RESERVE POLICY REQUIREMENTS.

AND BE ABLE TO FREE UP FOR THIS 2.6 MILLION.

AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO PLAY WITH EVEN BEYOND THAT.

SO SHERRY, WE WOULD HOLD BACK 300,000 OF THE 5 MILLION IN 26 THOUGH, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE JUST MOVING EVERYTHING BY A YEAR.

THAT, THAT'S SMALL ENOUGH DOLLAR AMOUNT.

IT'S OKAY.

SO, UH, SHANNON'S PRESENTATION EARLIER THAT WE ALL LOOKED AT THIS TO DO THAT REQUIRES ANOTHER CLOSE TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION AS PROJECTED.

LIKE WE WOULD NEED TO, TO, TO COUGH UP ANOTHER TWO AND A HALF FOR LOANS.

SO YOU HAVE TO BE UNDER MY MINIMUM JUST FOR THOSE FIVE PROJECTS THAT WE LOOKED AT, IT WOULD JUST BE, I THINK ABOUT 400,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FUND.

NOW, I THOUGHT WHEN WE WERE TALKING HERE THAT THERE WAS STILL ANOTHER 2 MILLION ON TOP OF THAT.

UH, SHE SAID THE 7.7 MILLION DOES INCLUDE THE LAND.

NUMBER AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING THAT WE, UH, NEEDED TO ADJUST FOR, BUT SHE SAID NO.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO, IF WE WANT TO SUPPORT ALL THOSE PROJECTS, WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE ANOTHER 400,000 AT LEAST TO THE HOUSING FUND OUT OF, I'M JUST CONFUSED SUR I'M JUST CONFUSED FOR SOMETHING HERE.

BUT TO DO THE SUNSET LOSS THEY NEEDED, YOU NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL 7.7, NOT AN ADDITIONAL, A TOTAL SUBSIDY OF 7.75.

SO WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL THAT'S HERE? 3.7.

IT WAS ALREADY , SO, SO HER GRAND TOTAL WAS CLOSE TO 18.9 WHEN YOU ROUND IT.

BUT THE AMOUNT WE HAVE BUDGETED OF 18.9 IN THE BOOKS INCLUDES 400,000 FOR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.

SO IN ORDER TO GET TO 18.9 FOR HOUSING PROJECT LOANS, WE'D NEED TO ADD ANOTHER 400,000 TO GET TO THE TOTAL NEEDED.

AND SHANNON, THIS WOULD BE FOR ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THIS KNOT.

JUST THE WAS FIVE ABOVE THE DARK LINE.

ONLY THE FIRST FIVE.

THE SECOND FIVE.

WE HAVEN'T TIGHTENED UP ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT THE ASK IS YET.

YEAH, NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR TO EVERYONE.

THAT WAS, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NOT ALL THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE SHEET THAT YOU HAD, IT'S ONLY THE FIRST FIVE.

SO DO WE WANT TO, DO WE WANT, DOES COUNCIL WANT TO DO THAT, PROVIDE ANOTHER 400,000 TO THE HOUSING FUND TO FACILITATE THESE FIVE PROJECTS? YES.

AND IS THAT COMING FROM THE REMAINING 1.7 MILLION FROM FY 23? YES.

I'M JUST, WHICH IS COVERED BY DOTTING OUR I'S AND CROSSING OUR T'S, WHICH IS COVERED BY THE PUSHING OFF OF THE INTERSECTION AT THE WASTE TREATMENT CENTER.

THAT I HOPE WE EVENTUALLY COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE CAN JUST PUT SOME SIGNS OUT THAT SAY BEWARE SLOW MOVING VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS MAYBE INSTEAD THAT WE BUY IN BULK AT AMAZON FOR A DISCOUNT.

SO AM I CORRECT THAT WE STILL HAVE 1.3 AND FY 23 THAT WE PLAY WITH? I THINK SO, YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO IS THAT A THUMBS UP ON THAT ALLOCATION? YEAH.

OF SURPLUS? YEAH.

AND THEN WE STILL HAVE, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE WE SPEND IT YET, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE 8.3 MILLION FOR, UH, 24, OR WE HAVE TO PUT ALL OF THAT IN CAPITAL RESERVES.

WE HAVE SOME OF THAT AVAILABLE OR ALL OF IT'S GOING.

SO ALL OF THAT WOULD GO UNLESS THERE'S MORE ADJUSTMENT THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE TO CIP TO ALLOW ROOM FOR SOME OTHER PRIORITY.

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THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT.

YESTERDAY WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING TECHNOLOGY AND THAT THAT WAS NOT FUNDED AT THIS POINT.

SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT? I THOUGHT THAT HAD A QUOTE ON IT OF 1.1.

DID DID I MAKE THAT NUMBER UP? WHERE DID I SAY ONE POINT? WAIT A MINUTE.

BEFORE WE GO WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT, WAS IT VETTED OUT AND IS IT WHAT IT WE THINK IT IS? NO, IT'S NOT BEEN VETTED OUT.

SO WHY ARE WE GONNA, I UNDERSTAND AN INTEREST IN IT.

I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT INTERESTED, BUT I WANNA KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S VETTED.

IT IT'S AN APPROPRIATION.

IT'S A PLACEHOLDER.

YEAH, PLACEHOLDER.

BUT, BUT I ALSO AM A LITTLE UNCLEAR NOW ABOUT WHERE THE DPS, I'M SORRY, FIGURE IN HERE.

LIKE A, YOU ALREADY TAKEN IN THE DECISION PACKAGES BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS AROUND THE PARKING TECHNOLOGY WAS GETTING A PARKING MANAGER IN, WHICH WAS A DECISION PACKAGE.

SO YOU NEED TO HAVE FULLY LOADED, YOU KNOW, MONIES FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL BEFORE YOU CAN GO FURTHER.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED ARE ALREADY BUILT INTO THE BUDGET NUMBERS.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IF, IF YOU, IF YOU SAID, UM, I KNOW IT'S RECOMMENDED, BUT LET'S WAIT ON IT ANOTHER YEAR BECAUSE YOU WANNA TAKE THAT MONEY AND APPLY IT TO ANOTHER PRIORITY, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER WAY YOU COULD DO THIS INSTEAD OF ADJUSTING CIP.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THAT ALL THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT HAD CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, YOU INCLUDED INSIDE OF THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT, DOES NOT NEED TO HAVE ANY OTHER FUNDS MOVED INTO IT.

IT'S JUST THE ONES THAT WERE NOT RECOMMENDED SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO NOW RECOMMEND THEM.

AND SOME OF THOSE MIGHT USE THAT MONEY .

SO MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THOSE NEXT.

WELL, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE THE DECISION PACKET FIRST BEFORE WE DID THIS, BUT WE'RE ON THIS TRACK.

SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH BRIAN THIS IDEA OF A PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT STILL FOR THE PARKING SYSTEM.

I THINK WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING SYSTEM BEING SOMETHING VALUABLE FOR THE GARAGE EVENTUALLY FOR PARKING THAT IS DISPERSED PARKING THROUGHOUT UPTOWN.

UM, IT'S A PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT.

SO WHAT ABOUT JUST AN EVEN MILLION? IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT MUCH I DON'T THINK AT ALL.

RIGHT? FINE.

I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER.

BUT THEN AGAIN, WHO KNOWS? I, YOU KNOW, I I GUESS THAT ESTIMATE IS AS GOOD OF A GUESS TOWARDS A NUMBER AS ANY.

SO WE'RE GONNA LIKE THAT NUMBER UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A FEW OTHER THINGS.

AND GO, OKAY.

WELL NOW WE'RE GONNA SQUEEZE THAT DOWN TO 900 OR 800.

RIGHT? OKAY, GREAT.

NOW 'CAUSE WHY GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE IN FERTILITY? YEAH.

SO YOU WANT 500,000 AS A PLACEHOLDER? WELL, ANDY JUST SAID A MILLION.

SOUNDS GOOD.

YOU KNOW, WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T KNOW AT ALL.

SO DON'T WE KNOW A LITTLE MORE THAN DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL? NO.

WELL, WELL THE NUMBER'S BASED ON AN ESTIMATE FROM A OPTION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

SO TO ME IT'S AS GOOD AS ANY OTHER NUMBER WE MIGHT COME UP WITH .

RIGHT? FINE.

A MILLION THAT LEAVES 300,000 IN FY 23 I, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THIS I KNOW, I KNOW.

DOCUMENTED, YOU KNOW.

BUT NOW DO WE WANNA DO THE DECISION PACKAGES BEFORE WE I THINK SO.

COME UP WITH THE OTHER 300 USE.

LET'S JUST KEEP GOING.

NO, NO.

I DON'T THINK WE KNOW.

THESE WERE JUST THE THINGS THAT WERE LIKE TOP OF MIND THAT.

AND WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE DOWN THUMBS UNLESS WE HAVE QUESTIONS.

QUESTION.

AND THESE ARE CIPS OR DECISION? DECISION PACKAGE DECISION PACKAGES.

SO, SO IN THE FRONT POCKET OF YOUR BOOK, YOU HAVE A, A BIGGER PAGE YEP.

OF THE LIST.

SO SHALL WE JUST GO DOWN THE LIST AND DO THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN? AND SO ON THE FIRST ONE, THE, UM, PART-TIME, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE JUST BEFORE YOU START, AND AGAIN, THE LAST COLUMN BEFORE THE NOTES TOTAL RECOMMENDED IS WHAT IS ASSUMED IN THE BUDGET, CORRECT? YES.

SO THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST, THE PART-TIME TEMP FOR ARTS AND CULTURE IS NOT RECOMMENDED.

SO THE VERY LAST COLUMN WAS THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS IN KIND OF THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE WITH CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO IF IT'S A ZERO, THEN IT'S NOT INCLUDED BUDGET.

IF IT'S , THAT'S THE AMOUNT INCLUDED.

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UM, ADDING AN HR SPECIALIST TO BE A DEPARTMENT OF THREE PEOPLE.

, THAT WAS YOU.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWAYS, WE HAVE TWO CARDS.

IF WE HAD CARDS LIKE, LIKE LAST NIGHT TO HAVE AND UH, GREEN CARD, BUT WE DON'T.

WASN'T THE HR SPECIALIST ALREADY RECOMMENDED THOUGH? YES, IT WAS RECOMMENDED.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO ADD BUDGET.

ADD IT.

NO, WE'RE IN THE DECISION PACKETS.

UM, DESTINATION MARKETING 200,000.

SO YEAH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THE DECISION PACKETS TO GET THEIR, JUST CONFIRMING THAT IT'S OKAY.

WHAT THEIR DIRECTION.

GOTCHA, GOTCHA.

UM, THE SENIOR TAX AUDITOR POSITION WASN'T RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME.

I DON'T REMEMBER.

YOU WANT US TO HOLD THEM? JESSICA? GOTTA FLIP IT.

JERRY'S GETTING THEM.

IT'S GOTTA, WELL, THERE WAS ENOUGH.

THERE WAS ENOUGH THEM, SO, OKAY.

YOU GOT ENOUGH.

DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS.

SO, SHERRY, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? ARE THERE ACTUALLY SOME OF THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP RECOMMENDS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE? WE QUICKLY, WE WE'RE GOING RIGHT DOWN THE LIST.

DON'T MESS IT UP.

I TRIED TO DO THAT LAST YEAR, ANDY, AND THEY WANTED TO GO THROUGH EACH TWO INDIVIDUALLY.

THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THIS.

COME ON.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM.

LET'S GO.

IT'S GOT THE LAY HERE.

SO THE REQUEST FOR TWO TOURISM COORDINATORS, WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF ONE COORDINATOR AND INCREASING THE CONTRACT WITH HEATHER.

ONE COORDINATOR.

UM, THE AUTISM AND SENSORY AWARENESS GUIDES AND TRAINING THE, UM, HUB KITCHEN NEW COUNTERTOPS.

THAT WAS NOT IN ADDITION TO THE BUDGET SAYING JUST FIT IT IN WHEREVER YOU CAN IN THE FACILITIES PLAN.

OH, WELL THEN WE, SO IT'S NOT ASSUMED IN THE BUDGET.

IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET.

SO HOW ABOUT IF YOU AGREE WITH THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATION, YOU DO A THUMBS UP.

UM, THE SKATE PARK LIGHTING RECOMMENDED.

OH YEAH.

THAT'S A PLACEHOLDER POSSIBLE.

JUST LEAVE MY PHONE OUT.

THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE PARKING TRAIL STEPS PROGRAM, THE PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTOR POSITION IS NOT RECOMMENDED.

NOT I, I'M JUST OKAY.

UH, CUSTODIAL MAINTENANCE WORKER AND VEHICLE, THAT ONE IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET WITH FURTHER ANALYSIS.

PERFECT.

SO THAT'S AT LEAST FOUR.

THAT'S AT LEAST FOUR, UM, THUMBS DOWN.

SO YOU DON'T, YOU WANT US TO TAKE THIS OUTTA THE BUDGET? YOU FIND THEM THUMBS DOWN.

SO YOU WANT US TO, CAN'T YOU WANT US TO TAKE THIS OUT OF THE BUDGET? NO, I WANT TO APPROVE WHATEVER THE CITY MANAGER SAID.

THIS IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION SUBMITTED.

CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGERS RECOMMENDING.

AND THERE'S A PLACEHOLDER IN THE BUDGET.

PLACEHOLDER IN THE BUDGET.

I'LL CHANGE.

SO SHE'S SAYING WE PUT IT THERE IN CASE WE DECIDE IT'S CHEAPER THAN DOING EXTERNAL PEOPLE COMING INTO DOING.

I DON WANT EXTERNAL PEOPLE.

WE GET BETTER SERVICE FROM THE PEOPLE WE HIRE.

SO JUST MAYOR, JUST THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS MEANS.

WELL GETTING LATE.

CAN WE JUST KEEP GOING? HE VOTED YES.

CAN WE EXPLAIN? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTION IS.

CAN YOU STOP? I CAN, I WISH YOU WOULD.

I WILL EXPLAIN IT PLEASE.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE PLACEHOLDER DOLLAR AMOUNT IS IN THERE AND IT WILL ULTIMATELY BE UP TO ANNETTE TO DETERMINE ONCE SHE SITS DOWN WITH FACILITIES AND THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR ANALYSIS, WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO HIRE A FULL-TIME PERSON OR USE THAT $87,000 FOR CONTRACT SERVICES TO AUGMENT WHAT I'M SUPPORTING THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR CUSTODIAL.

I'M AND I'M SUPPORTING THAT.

SO, SO LET'S DO IT THIS WAY.

IF YOU SUPPORT THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION OF THIS PLACEHOLDER, DO THUMBS UP.

AND THIS IS THE CUSTODIAL MAINTENANCE WORKER EV WORK TRUCK, CORRECT? YES.

SO THIS ONE IS RECOMMENDED, UM, JUST FURTHER ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE VEHICLE IS APPROPRIATE VEHICLE IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IS RECOMMENDED.

GOT, OKAY.

SO THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE WORKER AND VEHICLE, UM,

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DO YOU SUPPORT THAT RECOMMENDATION? I'M, I'M SORRY.

WELL, YOU, UM, AN ADDITIONAL, WE'RE GETTING THE ONE I'M GONNA SUPPORT .

AN ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE WORKER AND, AND VEHICLE.

SO THAT ONE WAS NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME, SO OKAY.

I'M IN THE WRONG PLACE.

THE EVIDENCE TECHNICIAN GOING FROM PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME, THAT IS RECOMMENDED.

THE VICTIM SERVICES SPECIALIST AND BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR THAT IS RECOMMENDED THE, UM, REALLOCATION OF FOUR CS PART-TIME CSAS TO TWO FULL-TIME CSOS, UM, IS RECOMMENDED.

UM, WE DID, SO WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE P-S-P-R-S, SO THE 1.5, BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA ADD ANOTHER 2.6 TO GET TO THE 4.1.

SO, UM, THE ONGOING TEMP COURT CLERK, UM, IS RECOMMENDED THE, UH, COURT CLERK THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO POST ADJUDICATED CASES.

CASES WAS NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME, ACTUALLY SUPPORT THAT.

SO I, I THINK, I THINK WHERE I STOOD WAS, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS IN THE BUDGET UNTIL I GET MORE INFORMATION BACK BETWEEN A, AFTER A DISCUSSION BETWEEN ANNETTE AND THE JUDGE REGARDING WHAT THE WORKFORCE METRICS REALLY ARE.

THE WORK ALLOCATION METRICS REALLY ARE.

SO HOW DO WE WORK WITH THAT TO, TO GIVE ANNETTE THE DISCRETION TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THERE, SO THERE WERE QUITE A FEW THUMBS UP.

I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE IS OF THE SAME OPINION.

WE COULD GO AHEAD AND ADD IT TO THE BUDGET FOR TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION AND ADD TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT YOU DIDN'T GET A SATISFACTORY ANSWER.

YOU COULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT.

I I'M FINE WITH THAT AT THAT TIME GIVING AND THAT THE, THE AUTHORITY TOO.

AND THAT'S 77,300, CORRECT? MM-HMM.

AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, REQUEST FOR A COURT CLERK.

SO JUMPING DOWN TO THE STREETS FUND, UM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE THAT, UM, ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS WOULD USE AND IT WOULD ALSO BE A SNOWPLOW.

SO IT'S ADDING TO THE FLEET.

JUST A QUESTION.

IS THAT ONE OF THE LARGE, LIKE F SIX HUNDREDS ANDY? OR WAS THAT A THREE 50? WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THAT TRUCK? I BELIEVE IT WAS A, UM, YEAH, LET ME PULL IT UP.

IT IS A FULL SIZE SNOWPLOW THAT HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO USE OR NO, IT'S NOT A F SIX 50.

SO HE'LL GET MORE USE OUTTA IT.

A SMALLER TRUCKS TO GET MORE USE OUT.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S EQUIVALENT TO A ONE TON, IF I REMEMBER.

I WANNA SAY WASN'T IT LIKE A SILVERADO 30? HOLD ON YOU.

WHAT ARE YOU GETTING FOR $22,000? IS THAT LIKE LEASE YEAR? ONE OF THE LEASE? YEAH, LEASE LEASE PLUS THE INITIAL UPFIT COSTS.

SO THIS IS REALLY A COMMITMENT OF 22 TIMES, WHAT, 4, 4, 5 YEARS? NO, THIS IS OH, ONGOING.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SO, BUT WHY IS IT SO WHAT ARE WE REALLY COMMITTING TO? LIKE A HUNDRED GRAND HERE.

AND BECAUSE IT'S THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT LEASE SUPPORTING THIS.

THIS PUTS A WHOLE NOTHER PERSON OUT ON THE ROAD IN A SNOWSTORM.

AND IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER TRUCK THAT CAN BE USED BY ANOTHER PERSON INSTEAD OF PAIRING UP.

IT'S A SUPERVISOR TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND SPEED UP SERVICES ABOUT SNOW TRUCKS.

HMM.

YOU KNOW ABOUT SNOW TRUCKS? I DO KNOW ABOUT SNOW TRUCKS.

I THOUGHT YOU DID.

UM, SO WHERE ARE, WHERE YEAH, WHERE MELISSA? THAT DOES NOT WORK.

BUT IT SAYS THAT THE TOTAL IS 40, THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED.

44,000.

IT SAYS TOTAL.

SO THE 20, THE 22,800 IS THE ONGOING LEASE PAYMENT AMOUNT, UM, FOR THE FIVE YEARS.

AND THEN THE 22,000 IS THE ONE TIME UPFIT COSTS, UM, FOR THE VEHICLE FOR FOUR MORE YEARS.

SO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 AMOUNT IS THE 44,800.

I, I'M JUST GOING ALONG.

WE NEED MORE SNOW EQUIPMENT.

BUT THAT WE COULD USE DURING THE YEAR.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ONE, HOW MANY THUMBS YOU HAD.

WHICH WAY? AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE VOTE.

IF I SEE FOUR, THEN I KNOW I'M GOOD.

SO THERE WAS AT LEAST FOUR.

OKAY, SO FOUR.

UM, AND THEN THE WIFI OUT AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT

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PLANT.

SO WE'RE ADDING 77,000, UM, TO THIS TOTAL MAYOR.

UH, WE ALL RECEIVED A, UH, A PROPOSAL AROUND ADDING MORE STAFF FOR STR ENFORCEMENT AND WE'VE TOUCHED ON THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TODAY.

AND I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING US COMMIT MORE RESOURCING TO STRICT ENFORCEMENT OF THE EXISTING STR LEGISLATION THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO.

IS THERE INTEREST FROM COUNSEL? I HAVE SOME INTEREST PERSONALLY, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM THERESA AND CODE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOK WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO, SO CAN WE APPROVE A PLACEHOLDER AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REVIEW OF THIS SUBJECT NEXT MONTH AND CONFIRM OR KILL IT AT THAT TIME? ANNETTE, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? SO WHAT WOULD THE PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT BE? I DUNNO WHAT LEVEL, UM, PERSON WOULD WE ANTICIPATE? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

RIGHT? BUT THAT'S TO LET THEM COME BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO A PLACEHOLDER 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE PERSON, WELL WE KNOW WHAT SALARY RANGE IS RUN FOR.

SO LIKE WHAT LEVEL ROUGHLY A PERSON.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'RE GONNA BE AN I A PERSON THAT DOES THE INPUT OF THE INFORMATION.

IS THERE GONNA BE SOMEONE OUT IN THE STREET? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PERSON'S GONNA BE.

IS IT GONNA BE MORE THAN ONE PERSON? IT SHOULDN'T COST ANY MORE THAN THERESA.

IN THEORY.

SO IF WE JUST BUDGET IT, WHATEVER IS APPROPRIATE FOR HER.

NO, I I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ONE, COULD IT BE ANOTHER THERESA, WOULD IT BE ANOTHER CODE PERSON? I'M NOT SURE STAFF HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE RIGHT REQUEST THAT WAS MADE.

IT'S A LITTLE, YEAH, I, I'M NOT AWKWARD.

I'M NOT SURE.

CREATE A DECISION PACKAGE FOR SOMETHING AT, I DEFINITELY WANNA LOOK AT THE ISSUE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA ATTACH A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO IT 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COME, COME, EXCUSE ME, COME BACK WITH, IT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER FOR TODAY ANYWAYS.

IF YOU, YOU DON'T ATTACH A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

WE CAN'T, THEY CAN'T CALCULATE THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD FOR OUR NEXT NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WHICH BY WHICH CAME FIRST? THE CHICKEN, YOU KNOW.

WELL, YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT YOU, YOU CAN LET US KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU WANT DETERMINED MM-HMM.

AND DETERMINE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT LATER.

AND WHEN WE COME BACK WITH TENANT, THE BUDGET, LET YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S FINE.

WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS.

AND DO YOU, WHEN ARE WE HAVING THAT MEETING WITH, UH, THERESA AND UH, CODE? IT'S ON MAY 28TH.

SO THAT'S GIVING US A MONTH.

THAT'S THE SAME DAY.

WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE TENTATIVE OF A BUDGET.

IT'S THE SAME DAY AS WHAT PROVE THE TENTATIVE OF A BUDGET.

WE APPROVE THE TENTATIVE BUDGET.

SO WE NEED AN ANSWER.

I I HAVE A QUESTION IN THE MEANTIME WHILE YOU ALL PONDER THIS.

IT, MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, NOT WITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY'S EXCITED ABOUT MORE ENFORCEMENT, HOW I'D LIKE SOME INFORMATION THAT JUSTIFIES MORE ENFORCEMENT.

I, I MEAN, I'VE GOTTEN ONE LETTER FROM ONE GUY TELLING ME THAT IT WOULD NEED MORE ENFORCEMENT.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR MAYBE IF KAREN OR SOMEONE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE AND WHAT LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENT WILL THAT BE FOR ADDING A BUNCH MORE PEOPLE? I HAVEN'T SEEN THE REQUEST, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THERE IS NO REQUEST BEING ASKED FOR.

THERE WOULDN'T.

BUT I, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT ASPECTS OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, THANK YOU.

YOU WOULD, YOU DON'T BELIEVE ARE BEING ENFORCED AND YES, YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENFORCE.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

THAT WOULD INFORM WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES IT WOULD TAKE AND OR WHAT BENEFIT THERE MIGHT BE TO ASSIGNING RESOURCES TO ENFORCE SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE ENFORCEABLE.

WELL, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KURT TOUCHED ON YESTERDAY OR TODAY.

AND HE SAID NOT MUCH, BUT HE SAID THAT THERE ARE SOME, SOMEONE HAS GIVEN EVEN THE, A JUDGE SAID, WELL, MOST OF 'EM ARE BEING SETTLED BEFOREHAND, SO THERE'S NO FINES ATTACHED TO IT, BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE GETTING 'EM, UH, REGISTERED.

SO MAYBE IT'S REALLY AN CHASING FOR AN ISSUE.

DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE PROGRAM IS RIGOROUSLY ENFORCING THE PERMIT REQUIREMENT, ENFORCING SOMETHING LIKE NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION.

WHICH IS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I'VE HEARD THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN INFORMING.

WE TAKE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON A COMPLAINT BASIS.

SO IF SHERRY CALLS THE HOTLINE AND SAYS THAT SHE KNOWS THAT I OWN A HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO HER, THAT'S AN STR, BUT SHE DIDN'T RECEIVE A FORMAL NOTIFICATION.

UP ALL THE ADDRESSES AND EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ALL THE STR IN THE CITY.

WELL, ONE, SHE KNOWS IT'S AN STR.

WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION OUT ON THE WEBSITE FOR ANYONE TO LOOK

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AND THAT'S UPDATED REGULARLY.

WE COULD HAVE HIRE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO COULD WORK WITH SHERRY, SEND ME A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, TELL ME THAT I DIDN'T NOTIFY HER, AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN AROUND UNDER THREAT OF SOME KIND OF PENALTY AND I'M GONNA DEMONSTRATE THAT I NOTIFIED HER.

SO YES, YOU COULD HIRE A STAFF PERSON TO DO THAT, TO DO THAT.

I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT.

BUT YOU COULD DO THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WELL, THAT'S, I GET, AND CODE ALREADY SENDS OUT NO SENDS VI NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS.

AND EVEN IN THAT SCENARIO, THE FINE WOULD BE 250 BUCKS AND THEN SHERRY WOULD GET THE LETTER SHORTLY THEREAFTER SAYING THERE'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

BUT IN ORDER TO ADJUDICATE IT, UNLESS WE MOVE TO A HEARING OFFICER PROGRAM, IT'S, IT'S FOR, I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF OUT OF AREA OWNERS, SO, WELL, THAT'S THE OTHER THING.

IT'S PROCESS SERVING THEM OR POSTING THE PROPERTY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO ISSUING A CITATION, THEN CHANCES ARE THAT CITATION WILL GET TO THE JUDGE AND IT WILL ALREADY HAVE BEEN RECTIFIED.

MAYBE HE IMPOSES A $250 FEE.

UM, BUT MOST OF THE TIME WHEN IT'S AN INITIAL VIOLATION AND SOMEONE ISN'T A REPEAT OFFENDER, THE JUDGE WILL SAY IT'S BEEN RESOLVED AND NOT EVEN IMPOSE A FINE.

WHAT ABOUT, WELL, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VIOLATIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING OTHER THAN THE NOTIFICATION, THE NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION, OTHER IBEL, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

GARBAGE.

THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT PERMITTED AND ARE OPERATING.

WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THERESA'S OUT, THERE'S 30, 33 AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO OUT OF 1,154 AND 80%.

AND OF THE, OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO NEEDED TO RENEW A PERMIT OR GET A PERMIT DID SO, UM, WITH JUST OF THE 33 THERE, UH, AND IN INITIALLY THERE WERE 20% WHO DIDN'T.

AS WE SEND THEM REMINDER NOTICES, THAT NUMBER CONTINUES TO DWINDLE.

OF THE 20% THAT DIDN'T, 80% OF THOSE AFTER NOTIFICATION DID COMPLY.

WERE DOWN TO 33.

THEY'RE TAKING THOSE IN BATCHES AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NO LONGER SENDING NOTICES.

IT'S JUST STRAIGHT CITATIONS.

NOW THERE WE'RE, OKAY, SO THEN THERE IS SOME ENFORCEMENT TAKEN.

SO THERE SHOULD BE, THERE WAS LAST, LAST YEAR, WHAT ENFORCEMENT WAS TAKING PLACE.

THE ONE THING THAT I SAID WE ARE VIGOROUSLY GOING AFTER AND ENFORCING ON IS THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A PERMIT.

THIS POINT THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT MUCH MORE.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT BETWEEN THERESA AND CODE ENFORCEMENT THEY'VE BEEN PURSUING.

IT'S JUST THE, BASICALLY THE NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION THAT THEY'RE NOT, IF IT'S A TRASH ISSUE OR A NOISE ISSUE, THOSE ARE ALREADY CODE ENFORCEMENT OR PD ISSUES THAT ARE BEING DEALT WITH A, A DIFFERENT WAY.

SO THOSE ARE ALL BEING ADDRESSED AS WELL.

THE OTHER ONE I MIGHT ADD IS, UM, IS PROHIBITION ON SPECIAL EVENTS IN A SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO, AND AGAIN, CODE'S NOT OUT THERE ON THE WEEKENDS DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR THESE.

BUT IF ANY RESIDENTS OR ANYONE WERE TO SEE ONE, THAT'S ONE WHERE WE CAN REVOKE THEIR LICENSE ON ONE, ONE INCIDENT OF HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT AT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

SO IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT THAT'S ONE THAT THEY'RE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN INFORMED THOUGH, THAT THERE'S OBSERVATIONS FROM AIRBNB, WHEREVER THAT PEOPLE ARE TAKING WHAT A CLOSET AND TURNING IT INTO A BEDROOM.

RIGHT THERE, THERE THERE'S LDC VIOLATIONS, WHICH WE CAN ENFORCE, BUT YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CAN'T GET IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU NEED A WARRANT.

SO THOSE ARE BEING THE ONES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF ARE BEING ENFORCED.

AND SO, I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY LOTS OF NUANCES, BUT ANYONE, AND THAT'S GOES TO CALM DEV BUILDING SAFETY, BUT THEY DO ENFORCE ANY TYPES OF, UM, UN PERMITTED BUILDINGS OR REMODELS OR PEOPLE SLEEPING IN BEDROOMS THAT AREN'T PERMITTED.

AND IF IT'S, THERE'S PICTURES OF IT, THAT'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO GET US IN.

SO I, MY FEELING IS I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH AT THIS POINT TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET ABOUT THIS.

UM, UM, SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET.

I, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN PERSUADED THAT, THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED OR THAT WARRANTS HIRING TWO NEW PEOPLE.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M NOT AT ALL PERSUADED THAT THE ONE LETTER WE GOT FROM SOMEONE WHO INCLUDED THE THING ABOUT THE CLOSET IS, IS ENOUGH TO PERSUADE ME AT

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I WANT TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY AND, AND I WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH KURT AND WITH, WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT WHAT CAN BE, WHAT MORE COULD BE DONE FROM THEIR POINTS OF VIEW AND THEN RESPOND TO THAT RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, US DECIDE THAT THIS IS WHAT'S NEEDED.

SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT IT AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU, UH, PETE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS TOPIC OVER TIME, TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE THERESA IS UNDER SOME STRESS ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT SHE HAS TO DO.

THERE'S A LOT OF DATA ANALYSIS AND PROCESSING AND WHATNOT, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY STUFF IN THIS AREA THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY HAVING TIME TO BE THOUGHTFUL.

WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT YOUR, UH, IDEA HERE, THE PROPOSAL THAT CAME IN, IT LOOKED TO ME MORE LIKE SOME ASSISTANCE FOR THERESA ON THE DATA AND, YOU KNOW, IDEAS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

SHE HAS GOT IN HER WORK PLAN FOR THIS NEXT YEAR ABOUT DOING A DIFFERENT CALCULATION FOR THE DENSITY OF THESE THINGS BY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE WORKING WITH IT AND THE GIS FOLKS ABOUT HAVING A MAP VERSUS JUST A SPREADSHEET THAT PEOPLE CAN SORT OF WORK WITH, BUT IT'S NOT VERY FRIENDLY TO WORK WITH.

I I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THAT AREA THAT WE COULD IMPROVE OUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IN TOWN BECAUSE WE HEAR ANECDOTAL STORIES ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I THANK YOU.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND PLEASE.

KAREN.

ANNETTE.

'CAUSE SO I UNDERSTAND, WAS THERE DISCUSSION, I THINK YOU MENTIONED TO ME, KAREN, THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SOME ASSISTANCE FROM AN EXISTING STAFF PERSON TO HELP THERESA DO THE DATA ENTRY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

WHATEVER SHE DOES.

SO WHAT, SO THERESA'S WORKLOAD RAMPS UP TREMENDOUSLY, RIGHT? IN A FEW MONTH TIMEFRAME WHEN RENEWALS COME, RIGHT? THAT'S THE BULK OF THE PERMITS.

SO WHILE THEY'RE TRICKLING IN ALL YEAR LONG, THE BULK OF THEM COME DUE IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME.

SO SHE STARTS WITH THE INITIAL PUSH IN DECEMBER.

UM, BUT SHE, AS ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS OUR FIRST YEAR WITH THE RENEWAL PROCESS.

WE WEREN'T QUITE SURE HOW AUTOMATED THAT WOULD BE.

OUR SELF-EXPLANATORY.

IT WAS A, IT WAS TREMENDOUS WORKLOAD FOR THERESA, RIGHT? SO BETWEEN JOE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UM, A WAY TO AUGMENT RESOURCES DURING THAT PERIOD USING STAFF FROM EXISTING CITY INSTEAD OF ADDING A FULL-TIME PERSON RIGHT.

TO HELP HER GET THROUGH THAT BIG PUSH.

UM, MM-HMM.

TO ANSWER CUSTOMER SERVICE INQUIRIES HELP PEOPLE GET LOGGED IN AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.

SO I DO BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT WITHIN EXISTING RESOURCES, RIGHT? CODE ENFORCEMENT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WELL I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE BIGGEST PUSH FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THEY, HOW THEY KNOW THEY MUST HAVE A, A CAMERA OVER THERESA WATCHING WHAT SHE DOES, BUT OH, SHE'S WAY OVERWORKED AND SHE IS, BELIEVE ME, I SEE HER FROM BEING IN THE BUILDING.

BUT IF YOU ALREADY HAVE SOMEONE THAT, A STAFF PERSON, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THAT IS, BUT WHOEVER IT IS, HELPING HER THAT SOLVES THAT ONE PROBLEM CODE IS SOMETHING LET'S GET THE, DO THE REPORT THAT IN MAY WE WILL GET THAT REPORT AND SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE.

IF YOU WANT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO A PLACEHOLDER 'CAUSE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

YOU WANT A PLACEHOLDER? YES.

SO, SO PETE'S, PETE'S QUESTION WAS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE DATA ANALYSIS.

ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE PERMITS, PERMITS ASIDE, AND I GET THAT.

SO WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS THAT, AND KAREN, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M MISINTERPRETING, IS THAT ONCE THE PUSH FOR THE PERMITS IS DONE, THERESA'S WORKLOAD WOULD ALLOW HER, SHOULD SHE HAVE THE RIGHT SOFTWARE, WHICH I KNOW SHE SAID HAS NOT BEEN GREAT SOFTWARE DO THE KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT PETE IS REFERRING TO.

IT'S JUST THAT SHE NEEDS SOFTWARE TO HELP HER DO THAT, WHICH SHE'S BEEN INVESTIGATING WAS LAST TIME I HEARD WHEN SHE WAS BEFORE US.

BUT SHE'S GOT AND WOULD HAVE THE TIME EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THOSE TWO AND A HALF OR THREE MONTHS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE PERMITS DONE.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS, IS ACCURATE AND THERESA HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TRYING TO GET THE SOFTWARE VENDOR TO DO WHAT THEY PROMISED THEY WOULD DO.

WHERE JOE OR ANNETTE, UM, MIGHT NEED TO JUMP BACK IN A BIT AND PUT SOME PRESSURE ON THIS SOFTWARE VENDOR.

WHICH IS HAPPENED.

SO WHILE ONE OF THE THINGS SHE TOOK A LOOK AT WAS SHOULD WE JUST SCRAP THIS AND GO WITH SOMEONE ELSE? THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THEY DO SUFFICIENTLY AND A SINGLE-HANDEDLY HER STARTING FROM SCRATCH WITH A NEW VENDOR AND THE COMMUNITY WITH A NEW SYSTEM.

WE REALLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DO THAT.

BUT THERE DOES NEED TO BE IN A FEW MONTHS AGO I GOT INVOLVED, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF AN ATTENTION FROM THEM AND IT'S SINCE WANED.

SO THIS MIGHT BE AN AREA

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THE GOOD THING ABOUT BEING SEDONA IS THAT WE ARE THE LEAD IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA IN TERMS OF STR COMPLIANCE.

UH, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS DOING THE ENFORCEMENT AND THE HOTLINE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING, UM, TO THE EXTENT WE'RE DOING THEM.

SO I THINK THEY DO WANT US TO BE A GOOD REFERENCE FOR OTHERS TO POTENTIALLY USE THIS VENDOR, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT WILLING TO BE BECAUSE THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN PERFORMING.

I HEARD, UH, THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS IS SCOTTSDALE, KURT, THAT THEY'RE DOING MORE ENFORCEMENT ON MORE DETAILED ISSUES IS, I DON'T KNOW.

THE VICE MAYOR MENTIONED SOMETHING WE THINK WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP.

IT MIGHT BE SCOTTSDALE MIGHT BE ONE OF THE OTHER ON TOTAL NUMBERS.

I'M AWARE.

I MEAN, SCOTTSDALE DOES MORE, BUT THEY HAVE A BIGGER TEAM AND A LOT MORE NUMBERS.

4,000 SOMETHING AS A PERCENTAGE WISE, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY HAVE DONE MORE THAN WE HAVE.

NO, BUT THEY HAVE MORE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, AND FOR, AND THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE UH, THE, THE DETAILED MAP LIKE, UH, COUNCIL FURMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU CLICK ON THE MAP AND, AND THE THE DOT.

SO, UM, OKAY.

ALL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK, I THINK STAFF SOMETIMES CONTRIBUTES TO THE PERCEPTION BY BEING FRUSTRATED AND TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE TOO MUCH WORK TO DO.

I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T THINK THERE SAYS, I DON'T KNOW.

I I'M JUST SAYING THAT AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S A REASON THAT PEOPLE PERCEIVE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING AS MUCH AS WE COULD BE DOING.

I .

SO WHERE ARE WE WITH THIS ONE ITEM? BRIAN, YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

OH, I'VE HEARD ONE COUNSELOR CLEARLY SAY NOT INTERESTED IN A PLACEHOLDER.

I THINK MAYOR, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT, UH, IN FAVOR AT THE MOMENT WANTING MORE INFORMATION.

CORRECT? I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING IN A MONTH FROM NOW AND IN THEORY IT'S NOT TOO LATE AT THAT TIME.

IF WE DECIDE, WELL, IT'S THE SAME DAY, IT'S NOT TOO LATE.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL HAVE TO AGENDIZE IT SO THAT IT'S, MAKE SURE THAT ONE SEEMS THE OTHER, THE VOTE IS AFTER BE TOO LATE.

RIGHT? THE VOTE IS AFTER I, BECAUSE I JUST, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO PUT A NUMBER IN AT THAT POINT, WHY IS IT NOT TOO, WHY WOULD IT BE TOO LATE TO TAKE A NUMBER OUT AT THAT POINT? WHY CAN'T WE JUST THE PLACEHOLDER SO WE GET MORE OF A REASONABLE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER TO PUT IN THERE.

JUST PICK A NUMBER.

75,000.

I DON'T EVEN, I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT.

I DON'T SUPPORT THAT.

SOMETHING, AS YOU SAID, WE KNOW WHO WE THINK IS LEADING THAT DIVISION.

WE DON'T WANNA, IT'LL BE SOMEBODY REPORTING TO THAT.

SO IT'S GOTTA BE A SALARY LESS THAN THAT.

SO I'M JUST, OKAY, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM A COUPLE, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM MELISSA AS TO WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO.

IF WE CAN MOVE, GO HOME.

L YOU GOT HALF HOUR WITH YOU.

THAT ISN'T WHAT YOU WERE ASKING.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I LIKE IT.

UM, EVERYTHING I'M HEARING FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF STAFF INDICATE TO ME THAT THERESA IS NOT OVERBURDENED EXCEPT DURING PERMIT TIME THAT SHE HAS ISSUES WITH THE SOFTWARE FOR GETTING THE DATA THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THE METRICS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

AND WE ALSO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT METRICS WE HAVE WANTED TO SEE SINCE THAT CHANGES OVER TIME AS WE'VE BECOME MORE, UM, FACILE WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, THE ISSUE AS WELL.

BUT I'M NOT REALLY HEARING THAT SHE NEEDS ANOTHER FULL-TIME PERSON TO SUPPORT HER.

AND SO WE'RE HAVING ALL THIS CONVERSATION AROUND TRYING TO LIMIT BUDGET AND TRYING NOT TO PUT ON PEOPLE WE DON'T NEED.

AND I'M NOT SURE YET THAT THERE'S A NEED AND I REALLY WISH THERESA HAD BEEN ABLE TO BE HERE TO SORT OF GIVE US THAT INFORMATION.

SO I REALIZE TO COUNSELOR ELLA'S POINT, YOU COULD PUT A NUMBER IN AND THEN TAKE IT OUT.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH, WITH, UH, THE JUDGE, UM, CLERK.

BUT IT ALSO FEELS TO ME LIKE THIS BECOMES REALLY ARBITRARY.

LIKE I COULD, I COULD PUT LOTS OF THINGS IN WHERE I THINK PEOPLE MAYBE NEED MORE PEOPLE AND THEN HAVE THEM COME AND THEN I SAY TAKE IT OUT.

I WOULD RATHER WAIT TILL THERESA COMES HERE AND JUST MAKE SURE IT'S AGENDA SO SHE SPEAKS BEFORE WE DO THE TENTATIVE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET AND LET THAT THROW A SPANNER IN THAT WORKS.

UM, BECAUSE BY THEN I'M HOPING I'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO HEAR SOMETHING BACK FROM ANNETTE REGARDING THE JUDGE AND MAYBE WE JUST SWITCH WHO'S GONNA GET THE FUNDING.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS, BUT I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING THAT CONVINCES ME.

NO, I AGREE THAT, THAT THERESA

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NEEDS THE HELP.

WELL SHE DOES HAVE THE HELP ACCORDING TO KAREN, THEY HAVE A STAFF PERSON THAT DURING HIGH, WHAT I'M HEARING, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT.

I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER THERESA ADMINIS.

WELL, I DON'T, DO WE REALLY KNOW IF CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS THE ISSUE? I DON'T KNOW THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT.

WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M I'M JUST ASKING WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE NOT ENFORCING? I DON'T, WE KNOW EXACTLY WE DUNNO.

WELL, YOU OKAY.

WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE WANT A PLACEHOLDER ANYWAY.

NOBODY THINKS WE'RE NOT ENFORCING SOMETHING, SO.

IT'S THE PERMITS, IT'S, IT'S, IT HAS TO DO WITH, I BELIEVE THE REPORT THAT COMES OUT THAT DOES, THAT SHOWS WHATEVER NUMBER IT IS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OPERATING, UH, STR AND ARE NOT PERMITTED TO DO IT.

IT NEVER SHOWS THAT THEY WERE SHUT DOWN.

I MEAN, IT NEVER SHOWS RIGHT.

WHAT HAPPENED.

SO IT, IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW THINGS ARE REPORTED PUBLICLY AND ACCORDING TO THE NUMBERS THAT WERE JUST STATED BEFORE, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST 33 OF THOSE.

WELL, I, SO THERE AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME THE PROBLEM IS REPORTING TO RE ADJUST, ADD TO HER REPORT THAT SAYS 35 HAVE NOT HAVE NOT SOUGHT LICENSES.

AND THEY'RE BEING PROCESSED.

IF I COULD JUST SHARE THE MOST RECENT NUMBERS, WHICH IS MARCH 31ST.

SO THIS, THIS JUST CAME OUT FROM THERESA TWO DAYS AGO AND 97.1% OF THE PROPERTIES ARE PERMITTED.

THE NON PERMITTED PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW ARE AMOUNT TO 17 OUT OF 1,147.

THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT NUMBER ROTATES EACH MONTH.

SO PEOPLE SELL, THEY STOP DOING SHORT TERM AND NEW ONES POP UP.

THE, IT, THE, THE, THE WEBSITE SCRAPING PULLS UP THOSE ONES THAT ENDS UP IN THE REPORT AND THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE PERMIT YET.

WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'VE ACTUALLY RENTED ONE YET.

AND THEN THEY GET NOTICED OR CITED.

BUT THE NUMBERS KIND OF UNIMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A NUMBER.

THE IMPORTANT PART AS HOLLY AND I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER, WOULD BE TO ADD A LINE THAT SAID THE 17 ENFORCEMENT IS UNDERWAY ON IT.

THERE THERE IS A LINE, IT'S 20 PROPERTIES CITED FOR PERMIT NON-COMPLIANCE.

UHHUH IS 24.

RIGHT? DOES IT YOU'RE NOT LISTENING.

I I'M I'M GOING TO, YOU'RE THROUGH THE REPORT TO REPORT CITATIONS.

SO NO NEW CITATIONS FOR NON-COMPLIANCE WERE SENT IN MARCH AS CODE ENFORCEMENT ALLOWED THE CURRENT BATCH OF CITATIONS TO COMPLETE THEIR CIRCUIT THROUGH THE ENFORCEMENT AND HEARING PROCESS, WHICH COMPLETED ON APRIL 11TH, 2024, PROPERTY OWNERS UNREACHABLE BY US MAIL RECEIVED THEIR CITATIONS VIA A SIGN POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE TO, UM, PROCESS SERVING SOMEONE.

THIS PRACTICE HAS CONSIDERABLY SHORTENED THE RESPONSE TIME FROM OWNERS WHO RECEIVED THE POSTINGS.

I MEAN SHE GOES ON AND ON AND ON.

UM, OF THE 24 PROPERTIES, 15 PROPERTIES OBTAINED PERMITS, TWO STOPPED ADVERTISING RESULTING IN DISMISSAL OF THEIR CITATIONS.

THEY WERE NO LONGER ACTIVE.

ST THE REMAINING FIVE PROPERTIES RECEIVED JUDGMENTS AND FINES BETWEEN 575 AND $595 FOR THEIR FIRST OFFENSES.

A SINGLE PROPERTY RECEIVED JUDGMENT FOR A SECOND NON-COMPLIANCE CITATION WITH A SECOND FINE OF $595.

THE NEXT BATCH OF CITATIONS WILL BE GOING OUT THE FIRST HALF.

THAT'S PERFECT.

OF COURSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT.

THAT'S PERFECT.

YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT NEED.

SO THERE ARE NO, NO ISSUES TO REPORT.

MOVE ON.

BRIAN, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SINCE YOU BROUGHT THIS UP? WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT IN A MONTH.

I'M FINE.

SHERRY, WHERE ARE WE? WE HAVE ANOTHER THREE HOURS LEFT.

UM, MAYBE TWO AND A HALF.

SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OTHER DIRECTION, ANYTHING TO CHANGE NUMBERS IN THE BUDGET? WE'VE GOT 300,000 IN THE FY 23 SURPLUS STILL TO BE ALLOCATED.

WELL WE STILL NEED TO PUT MONEY TOWARDS THE CAPITAL RESERVES.

THE BUMPING OF THE 5 MILLION THAT DOESN'T NEED TO GO INTO CAPITAL RESERVES, COVERS ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

SO WE ONLY MOVED OUT 5 MILLION.

WELL, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE TO MOVE? IF WE WERE INCLINED TO DO THAT, HOW MUCH WOULD WE HAVE TO MOVE OUT TO MEET THE CAPITAL RESERVES? I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE WERE OKAY.

NO, SO, SO I WAS SAYING THAT CO THAT COVERED WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SO FAR.

AND ACTUALLY WHERE WE'RE AT ON STUFF, WE ARE, WE ARE OKAY.

WHERE WE'RE AT.

BUT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY TAKE THE ACTION CAPITAL RESERVES AND WITH

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I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE REMAINING $300,000 FROM FISCAL YEAR 23 TO PUT INTO THE CAPITAL RESERVES.

FACE MAIL.

NOW ON TOP OF THAT, DO WE WANNA LOOK, LOOK AT PUTTING ADDITIONAL MONEY IN THE CAPITAL RESERVES FROM FISCAL YEAR 24, WHICH HAS $11.1 MILLION ANTICIPATED.

SO, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING PUTTING 8.3 MILLION IN IN ORDER TO MEET OUR POLICY REQUIREMENT FROM FROM 24.

FROM 24 SPECIFICALLY.

IN ADDITION TO THE 300, I MEAN IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT EXACTLY WHAT YEAR IT'S FROM.

I, I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS IN TOTAL.

IT DOES FOR OCD PEOPLE LIKE ME, , .

AND THAT BRINGS ALL THE RESERVES UP TO THE POLICY LEVELS.

SO THAT, THAT SHOULD ADDRESS WHAT WE NEED.

BUT IT DOES LEAVE US WITH A LITTLE BIT OF WHICH I'M NOT PROPOSED.

I JUST WANNA GET IT ON THE RECORD.

, WE DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE IT'S THE YEAR'S NOT OVER, BUT POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, SURPLUS FROM 24, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND NOW.

'CAUSE WE I AGREE IT'S TOO CLOSE.

AS PROPOSED.

SO THIS IS FOR THE 8.3.

SO ARE WE DONE WITH DIRECTION ON NUMBERS? OKAY.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS ON THE EXPENDITURES FOR SURE.

SO WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN HERE, UM, IT BRINGS US TO A BUDGET OF 1 0 5 0.5.

UH, THERE WAS THE IT CARRYOVERS OF ABOUT 20,000.

UM, I DID HAVE A FOOTNOTE ON ONE OF THE SLIDES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IT.

PT OH FOUR B.

UM, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE CONSTRUCTION COST IS GONNA BE HIGHER, UM, THAN WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY HAD PROJECTED IS 700,000, UM, THE BOND INTEREST PAYMENT FOR THE GARAGE.

SO I THINK THAT WILL END UP THE FIRST PAYMENT BE IN FISCAL YEAR, UM, 25.

UM, SO, UH, THE LATEST NUMBERS THAT WE GOT FROM THE BOND ADVISORS WAS ABOUT 900,000.

UM, THE PLAN WAS TO KIND OF, UH, RAMP UP A LITTLE BIT ON THE BOND PAYMENTS BECAUSE, UM, UNTIL IT ACTUALLY GETS IN PLACE AND STARTS GENERATING REVENUE, KEEPING THAT DOWN, UM, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

UM, PUSHING ON THAT PTO EIGHT, UM, THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS OUT BY THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

SO THE PORTION IN FISCAL YEAR 25, UM, PUSHING OUT 250,000, UM, THE REQUEST THAT, UH, BRYCE HAD FOR THE DECARBONIZATION ROAD MAPPING PROJECTS OF HAVING 150,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

UM, PUTTING THAT IN, INCREASING THE P-S-P-R-S ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTION BY 2.6 MILLION.

UM, THE PARKING SYSTEM ADDING A MILLION, UM, AND THEN THE 77,000, UM, POSSIBLY FOR THE ADDITIONAL COURT CLERK FOR THE POST ADJUDICATED, UM, CASES.

I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH A FULL, FULL DEBT LOAD ON THE GARAGE.

I'M NOT.

AND I THINK WE HAVE THE MONEY TO SPLIT IT WHERE, YOU KNOW, TO PAY SOME OF IT JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE CULTURAL PARK, PAY A CHUNK OF IT AND THEN FINANCE THE REST OF IT.

WELL, IN THE BUDGET, I THOUGHT I SAW THAT THERE WAS 13 MILLION ALLOCATED OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR THAT.

WAS THAT NOT ALLOCATED OUTTA THE BUDGET? WAS THAT ALSO GOING TO BE DEBT FUNDED? YEAH, SO, OKAY.

SO YOU WERE GONNA DEBT FUND THE FULL AMOUNT WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT OVER TIME USER FEES WOULD HELP OFFSET THAT.

NOT HELP OFFSET FULLY FUND IT AND THEN SOME.

WE MAY NOT WANNA DO THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVEN'T GIVEN, WE WE HAVEN'T DONE USER FEES.

WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THAT, HAVE WE? WELL ACTUALLY, WHEN COUNSEL GAVE DIRECTION, UNANIMOUS DIRECTION TO USE TO PLAN TO USE FEES, FEES TO PAY FOR THE GARAGE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

AND I'M TELLING YOU WHEN WE DO,

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JUST MAKE IT A PLACEHOLDER.

I'M KIDDING.

I I WELL THEN THIS IS JUST DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS DIRECTION.

AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE MINIMUM $2 AN HOUR RATE, WHICH IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IMPOSED FOR MAIN STREET.

UNDERSTANDING THAT FEES COULD BE HIGHER THAN THAT AND ALSO GO UP ON, ON STREET PARKING FULLY PAID FOR A, THE BOND FUNDING AT 5%.

I DO THINK THE ESTIMATE MIGHT BE A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS HIGHER THAN IT WAS THEN.

BUT THERE WAS ALSO CUSHION IN THAT.

I MEAN THE REVENUES WERE ANTICIPATED TO EXCEED THE EXPENDITURES.

NOW GRANTED, WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK, OH THAT'S RIGHT.

THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE, HERE'S THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO CHARGE IN ORDER TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE.

I ANTICIPATE THE REVENUES ARE GOING TO BE HIGHER TO MORE FULLY FUND THE ENTIRE PARKING PROGRAM AND NOT JUST THE DEBT SERVICE ON, ON THE GARAGE BONDS.

BECAUSE WHAT I, I HEARD FROM SHERRY WAS WE'RE GONNA FUND $25 MILLION OR WE'RE GONNA DEBT FINANCE $25 MILLION FOR THE GARAGE AND $25 MILLION FOR THE WELLS.

THAT'S $50 MILLION IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE ON THAT LIST.

WHAT ELSE? THERE WAS A THIRD THING THAT WE WERE GONNA DEBT FUND.

SO, SO THE WELLS, SO IT'S, IT'S ONLY FIVE AND A HALF MILLION FOR THE WELLS THAT ARE COMING UP AND THE OTHERS ARE IN THE FUTURE YEARS.

SO WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T DEBT FINANCE THOSE FUTURE WELLS BECAUSE YOU NEED TO SPEND THE BOND PROCEEDS WITHIN THREE YEARS.

SO YOU'D ONLY DEBT FINANCE THE FIRST, WELL AT THE TIME YOU NEED THE FIRST, WELL THEN YOU WOULD DEBT FINANCE THE OTHER TWO WELLS LATER ON WHEN YOU'RE READY TO BUILD THOSE.

UM, SO I'M CONFUSED.

WHAT WAS THE 25 MILLION, AS I RECALL, WAS FOR TWO WELLS IN 26 AND OR 27.

IT WAS 15.

15 MILLION.

15.6 25 IS THE TOTAL, I WAS TOLD 25.

I REMEMBER 25.

THE 25 IS THE ENTIRE PROJECT COST FROM SOUP TO NUTS, INCLUDING THE TWO WELLS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT.

IT WAS 21 TOTAL, 21 TOTAL ADDITIONAL FUNDING, UM, IN I THINK THE 10 YEAR CIP.

BUT WHY WOULD YOU GIVE US THE TOTAL FUNDING WHEN YOU, YOU'VE HAD TWO.

WE SHOW, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOW ON THE CIP SHEETS.

WE ALWAYS SHOW A FULL COST OF A PROGRAM SO THAT YOU HAVE CURRENT COSTS, YOU HAVE FUTURE, AND YOU HAVE, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT OR IN THIS CASE IT'S, IT'S A PROGRAM.

I, AND I I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT 25 MILLION BOND FINANCING.

THE ONLY 25 MILLION THAT I'VE REFERRED TO IS THE BONDS THAT WERE ALREADY ISSUED FOR THE SIM PROJECTS.

SO THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE WHERE I EVER REFERRED TO A $25 MILLION BOND ISSUE THAT DID YOU HEAR 25 MILLION FOR THE YEAH.

THAT, THAT IS THE TOTAL COST.

RIGHT, BUT WE DIDN'T HEAR IT BROKEN DOWN AND OKAY, SO WHAT IS IT THEN FOR, FOR THE TWO? SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A HALF MILLION, UM, FOR THE, WELL THAT IS BUDGETED FOR 26, UM, STARTING IN 26 AND ENDING IN FISCAL YEAR 27.

SO THAT'S $11 MILLION FOR TWO WELLS.

THAT'S FIVE AND A HALF MILLION FOR ONE.

WELL, RIGHT.

WHAT ARE WE AND THEN 15.6 IN THE FUTURE YEARS FOR TWO MORE WELLS.

WHAT ARE WE CALLING THIS FISCAL 26? WELL, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAVE ONE AND TWO ALREADY.

I THOUGHT WE WERE BUILDING THREE AND FOUR AND THAT WAS GONNA COST 21 MILLION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

SO WHAT, WHAT WELL IS THE ONE THAT SOUNDS LIKE NUMBER THREE, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE CALLING THAT? WELL, I GUESS NUMBER THREE.

ALMOST THE ONE THAT'S WITHIN THE THREE FUNDING YEARS.

CRAZY.

THE OTHER TWO WELLS ARE IN THE OUT YEARS.

AND THOSE TWO, YOU ADD THOSE UP AND NOW WE'RE IN THAT 2020 1 MILLION RANGE, RIGHT.

TWO INJECTION WELLS.

AND WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE, WELL THREE JUST FOR OUR CURRENT, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S PROCESSING, THERE ARE THREE EXISTING WELLS, TWO OPERATIONAL BACKUP, WHICH WE ROTATE IN AND OUT.

SO THERE'S THREE WELLS AND ONE DEAD.

HE SAID ONE YOU SAID THREE WELLS WE'RE USING TWO HE JUST SAID AND A BACKUP ONE THAT WE ROTATE IN AND OH.

I THOUGHT THOSE ONE AND TWO, THAT'S WHAT HE, BUT YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GET WHAT YOU SAID.

SHALL IT STILL CALLS THEM WELLS THREE AND FOUR.

COST IS JUST THE, WELL ROXANNE SAID THAT THOSE, THOSE TWO WELLS, ONE WOULD BE ON THE DELL SIDE AND ONE WOULD BE ON THE OTHER.

IN THIS BOOK THERE ARE NEW WELLS, HENCE THE CONFUSION.

YES, CORRECT.

WELL, YEAH.

SO WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, WELL WHAT'S GONNA COST TO ACTUALLY ACCESS THE DELLS, SHOULD THAT BE DECIDED TO BE BUILT UPON THEN THE

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AND AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE BOTH OF THOSE TO ELIMINATE THE 200 ACRES, 800 ACRES.

BUT THEY'LL BUILD ONE WELL AND THEN THEY'LL BUILD THE NEXT ONE LATER.

AND WHAT WILL THAT COST MOVING FORWARD? WHAT WILL THAT BE? FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR ONE? WELL, NO, FOR ONE.

ONE WELL IS ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MILLION BUDGETED IN 26 AND 27.

SO, SO I'M, I'M REALLY CONFUSED.

SO WW 10, I THINK I GOT IT.

BUT UM, IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROJECT WITH THE WELLS AND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PROJECT COST ESTIMATES IT SAYS 26,671.

SO THAT'S THE GRAND TOTAL, INCLUDING PRIOR YEAR COSTS.

SO THE PRIOR ESTIMATES ALL THE WAY THROUGH FUTURE YEARS, THE GRAND TOTAL BEING SPENT ON THESE, ALL OF THESE WELLS IS 26 MILLION LEASE.

SO THIS PROJECT ESTIMATE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THREE AND FOUR, NOT ABOUT ONE AND TWO, JUST THREE AND FOUR, EITHER THIS IS COMPLETELY MISLEADING ACTUALLY FOUR AND FIVE OR WHICHEVER NUMBERS IT IS.

THE ADDITIONAL TWO WELLS, IF THIS 26, 6 71 AND SOME CHANGE IS NOT FOR THE NEW PROJECT, IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE EXISTING WELLS PLUS TWO NEW WELLS.

THEN WHAT IS THE BASE NUMBER? I MEAN WHAT, SO IT'S THIS NUMBERS, THESE NUMBERS BECOME VERY CONFUSING 'CAUSE IT SAYS IN 20, IN FISCAL YEAR 26, IT'S ALMOST A MILLION IT 27 IT'S FOUR AND A HALF MILLION.

IN FUTURE YEARS IT'S 15.6 MILLION TOTAL SPEND.

SO THE SMALLEST NUMBER THAT I COME UP WITH IS TOTAL SPEND STARTING IN THE FUTURE YEARS, WHICH IS 26 IS STILL 15 OVER $15 MILLION, WHICH IS MORE THAN $5 MILLION A WELL.

SO AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FIVE, FIVE AND A HALF MILLION IN THE PRIOR'S ESTIMATE COLUMNS IS WELLS ONE AND TWO MM-HMM.

IN THE COLUMNS 26 AND 27, THOSE ADD UP TO ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MILLION.

THAT'S THE NEXT WELL, AND THEN IN THE FUTURE YEAR'S COLUMN, THE 15.6 MILLION IS ANOTHER TWO WELLS.

THAT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THE EXPLANATION.

WHERE IT SAYS EXPLANATION 'CAUSE IT SAYS WE'VE GOT RECHARGE WELLS ONE AND TWO BROUGHT IN ON 2017.

THEN YOU GO FURTHER DOWN AND IT SAYS WELLS THREE AND FOUR HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED FOR FY 27 AND 28.

THE DESCRIPTION DOES NOT MATCH E EXACTLY.

I THINK SHE FORGOT TO UPDATE THE DESCRIPTION WHEN SHE MOVED THE NUMBERS UHHUH.

AND SO WE'RE DEBT FINANCING, WHAT, FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OR WHAT ARE WE DEBT FINANCING? YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE DEBT FINANCING.

FIVE AND A HALF MILLION FOR THIS ONE.

BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO ISSUE THE BONDS FOR THE NEXT WELL TOO SOON, UNLESS YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE BOND PROCEEDS IN, UM, THREE YEARS.

JESSICA, UNFORTUNATELY HAVE A QUESTION OF HOLLY.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING WE DO TO ADDRESS THE, TO ADDRESS THE FULL BONDING OUT OF THE GARAGE VERSUS A PARTIAL CASH PAYMENT.

WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST? I WOULD SUGGEST 50 50, BUT I, I HAVE TO SAY, BUT I MEAN WHERE DO YOU, WHERE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S 10 TO FIVE.

TO PUSH SOME INTO 25 OR WHATEVER, UM, WHETHER IT'S DEBT FINANCED OR NOT, DEBT FINANCE REALLY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH DIFFERENCE.

I FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT BEING WELL THOUGHT THROUGH.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SHOOTING FROM THE HIP.

I'M REALLY NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ANY NUMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION.

WHEN DO WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION? SO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GARAGE IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR MAY 15TH.

THAT WON'T MOVE, RIGHT? IS IT, ARE WE SOLID ON THAT DATE? AND THAT'S BEFORE MAY 28TH.

PRETTY SOLID.

OKAY, SO, SO YOU'LL HAVE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION THEN.

UM, WE DO NEED TO HAVE THINGS BECAUSE THE PACKET FOR THE 28TH WOULD BE DUE TOO SOON TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY DIRECTION FROM THE 15TH AND REALLY ADJUST NUMBERS.

SO WHAT YOU COULD DO IS SAY, OKAY, YOUR GRAND TOTAL OF YOUR BUDGET NUMBER BACK OUT THIS NUMBER IF THERE'S SOME NUMBER THAT YOU WANNA BACK OUT, UM, AND, AND HANDLE IT THAT WAY.

BUT THE THING IS, IS YOUR EXPENDITURES FOR THE GARAGE, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING, SOME SHIFT IN THE NUMBERS WHEN YOU GUYS LOOK AT IT OF WHAT'S IN HERE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE LIKE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AS MUCH DONE IN 24 AND YOU NEED

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THE ONLY IMPACT WOULD BE THE AMOUNT OF THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT.

SO WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF LOOKING AT THE LONG RANGE FORECAST.

BASICALLY IF YOU WANT TO USE CASH TOWARDS THAT PROJECT, YOU'VE GOT PRETTY HEFTY AMOUNT.

YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO MOVE, UM, FROM OTHER PROJECTS AND PUSH, PUSH THEM OUT AND DELAY OTHER PROJECTS IN ORDER TO CASH FUND.

AND WON'T THAT RAISE THE BUDGET UP? NO.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

SO I'M CONCERNED WHO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AFTER TODAY FOR THAT MEETING FROM FINANCE? WILL THERE BE SOMEBODY? IT IT'S GONNA BE ANNETTE.

I'M FINE WITH THAT.

THERE YOU GO.

I'M FINE WITH IT.

OH, AND THE AND THE BOND ADVISOR AND THE BOND COUNCIL ARE PLANNING ON BEING HERE FOR THE, FOR THE GARAGE.

BECAUSE THE INTENT WAS, UM, TO, TO ALSO APPROVE THE DEBT FINANCING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

GOOD WITH THAT.

YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH YET.

AND THAT'S A QUICK LEARNER, SO THAT'S FINE.

JESSICA, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

UM, ANDY, WHAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION LENGTH OF TIME THE GARAGE IS GONNA TAKE? BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED ALL THE MONEY ON DAY ONE.

TOO LATE.

UM, I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 15 MONTHS OR SOMEWHERE.

SO IT'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY OVER TWO MONTHS.

I MEAN OVER TWO YEARS.

THE, THE, OKAY.

OKAY, BRIAN.

OKAY, I'M MOVING BACK TO WASTEWATER AN ANNETTE, CAN WE GET A ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THE USE OF THE WELLS EXISTING? WHAT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THIS ONE FOR FISCAL 26, WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT.

I MEAN IT'S, IS IT, WELL, FOUR THREE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS WE HAVE AND WHY WE'RE BUILDING THE ONE IN 26, 27 VERSUS THE OTHER TWO.

THAT WOULD BE FOR ELIMINATING THE IRRIGATION AT THE DES.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHY WE'RE DOING THE ONE THAT'S COMING UP NEXT.

KAREN, WHAT'S TO WEIGH IN? SHE PROBABLY HAS AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

YEAH, JUST ROXANNE IS WEIGHING IN, SO YES, WE CAN GET THAT IN WRITING FOR YOU, BUT I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT SHE'S SAYING.

SO, WELL NUMBER THREE IS WHAT IS SHOWN IN FISCAL YEAR 26 AND 27.

SO THE 26 IS DESIGN AND THEN THERE'S CONSTRUCTION OF ONE.

WELL, AND THEN IN FUTURE YEARS IT'S WELL, FOUR ANTICIPATED TO BE BUILT IN FISCAL YEAR 28, WHICH IS THE FIRST OF THE FUTURE YEARS.

SHE ALSO HAS AN ESTIMATE FOR WELLS FIVE AND SIX, UM, IN FUTURE YEARS.

SO SHE EXPLAINED THAT TO FREE UP THE 200 ACRES, YOU NEED FOUR TOTAL WELLS.

WE HAVE THE TWO, AND YES, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BACKUP THAT, BUT THAT ISN'T PART OF THE INJECTION IN THE EFFLUENT DISPOSAL.

AND THEN AS CAPACITY IS ANTICIPATED TO INCREASE, IF THAT DOES, THAT'S THE, UM, ANTICIPATING NEEDING SIX TOTAL WELLS AT BUILD OUT OR AT LEAST WITHIN THIS 10 YEAR HORIZON.

SO ASSUMING WE WANT ALL 200 ACRES, YOU NEED FOUR WELLS TOTAL ADDITIONAL OR ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL TO USE.

BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN USE HALF THE DELLS.

NOT THAT I'M PUSHING FOR THAT.

I JUST WANNA, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION THAT'S BEING ASKED FROM THE PUBLIC.

IF WE WANT TO DO A HUNDRED ACRES, YOU CAN'T SAY YOU WANT TO USE HALF THE DELLS A HUNDRED ACRES INSTEAD OF 200 ACRES.

YOU STILL NEED THOSE SIX SIX WELLS.

SO YOU WOULD NEED TO INVEST ALSO IN YOUR EFFLUENT DISPOSAL IRRIGATION SYSTEM TO MAINTAIN A HUNDRED ACRES.

COULD YOU, IS ONE WELL EQUIVALENT TO HALF OF THE 200? I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY YES.

UM, WOULD YOU IN ALL PRACTICALITY, DO THAT, DO IT THAT WAY? I DON'T KNOW.

AND, AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT'S A, THAT I'M SURE ROXANNE AS PART OF THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT AND SHE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS NEXT YEAR.

SHE DID SEND THE SPREADSHEET, UM, VIA EMAIL THAT I'M GONNA FORWARD TO ALL OF YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE AN A, A RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC WHO ASKED ME, WELL, WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO OUT THERE AND BUILD THE DELLS? AND BECAUSE THEY THINK, OH, WELL JUST, JUST, JUST USE HALF OF IT.

YOU'RE THE QUARTER OF IT.

LET MOVE THE SPRAYING OVER SOMEWHERE.

OF COURSE YOU CAN'T DO THAT .

NO, THIS IS, YOU SEE A LOOK OVER HERE.

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THIS THAT'S NOT MY LOOK, MY LOOK IS, I COULD SWEAR THAT ROXANNE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS WHEN SHE WAS DOING HER PRESENTATION.

I THOUGHT SHE DID.

I THOUGHT, BUT I JUST WANTED THAT SHE BASICALLY SAID THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, 300 ACRES.

SHE'S GONNA LEAVE THE BACK OR SOME HUNDRED ACRES OF THOSE WITH THE EFFLUENT SPRAY BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY SMALL PIPES.

WHEN YOU START TO REMOVE THE BIG PIPES, YOU'VE GOTTA REMOVE ALL THE BIG PIPES.

AND IN ORDER FOR HER TO REMOVE ALL THOSE BIG PIPES TO GET YOU THE 200 ACRES SHE NEEDS WELLS.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD.

NOW, MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT.

MAYBE THESE GUYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

BUT, AND FOR THOSE WELLS, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT MOVING FORWARD, NOT FOR WHAT YOU SPENT IN YEARS PAST MOVING FORWARD IS HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? 21.

21, RIGHT.

FOR HOW MANY WELLS? FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL WELLS? NO, I GOT THREE ADDITIONAL.

THAT'S IT'S FOUR.

SO FROM ROXANNE'S TEXT, IT'S FOUR.

ANDY WELLS WEIGH IN.

THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA CLARIFY IS THAT ONE BIG VARIABLE IN ALL OF THIS ALSO IS THE PRODUCTIVITY OF EACH WELL AS WE BUILD IT.

AND WE FOUND THAT WITH THE TWO WELLS THAT WE'VE BUILT, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S A SIX WELL, IN THERE AS A THAT'S RIGHT.

OH, JUST IN CASE.

ARE THEY LESS OR MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN WE THOUGHT ONE OF 'EM WAS LESS.

AND I, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE OTHER ONE IS PRETTY MUCH IN LINE.

LINE.

THANK WHAT WE EXPECTED.

AND WHICH SIDE OF THE ROAD IS, WELL, THREE.

DID SHE SAY THE SOUTH SIDE? I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHICH SIDE WELL, THREE IS CITED ON.

YEAH, I KNOW WE HAVE A SIGHTING PLAN, BUT I, I COULDN'T SAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

BUT THE DESCRIPTION SAYS WELLS THREE AND FOUR WILL ALLOW FOR 200 ACRES OF IRRIGATION TO BE ABANDONED.

SO WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, FIVE OR WELL SIX MM-HMM.

AND IF WE ONLY NEED, WELL, THREE OR FOUR THEN ARE WE TALKING MORE LIKE 11 MILLION, 12 MILLION? YES.

IF WE ONLY NEED WELLS THREE AND FOUR, THE FIVE AND SIX WERE FOR FIGURING OUT DO WE NEED AN EXTRA SORT OF BACKUP? WELL, AND THEN HOW PRODUCTIVE ARE THEY? AND THEN ALSO FOR, FOR CAPACITY.

AND YOU HEARD ROXANNE TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL PROJECTIONS WERE THAT WE WOULD ALREADY BE EX AT 1.2 MILLION CONSISTENTLY AT THIS POINT OR BEYOND.

AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE NUMBERS.

SO IT WILL DEPEND ON WHAT IS THE VOLUME OF EFFLUENT, UM, THAT'S BEING PRODUCED.

AND IN PART OF HER DESCRIPTION, SHE TALKS ABOUT THAT IT WOULD, UM, 'CAUSE THE CAPACITY UP TO THE 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

, LIKE THEY'RE PLACEHOLDERS IN THERE IN CASE WE GET TO THAT POINT.

WHOA, IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK.

WHAT, DO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED OR OTHER THAN, UM, THE PARKING GARAGE.

I JUST WANNA BE REALLY, REALLY CLEAR.

WELLS ONE AND TWO, COST FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

TWO WELLS? NO, EACH FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS EACH IT PRIOR.

ONE AND TWO.

TWO ONE AND TWO.

THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY DONE.

SO WE, WE SPENT OH, OH FIVE AND A HALF MILLION.

ON WELLS ONE AND TWO.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

DID WE GIVE YOU DIRECTION FOR THAT? FOR THE WASTEWATER? I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY DIRECTION NEEDED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO MOVE ON TO.

SO WE ARE BASICALLY THERE.

SO THE, UM, TENTATIVE BUDGET, UM, ADOPTION IS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 28TH.

AND WHY DON'T YOU REMIND EVERYBODY WHEN THINGS ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE DONE? 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A DATE WE PICKED, BUT IT ISN'T NECESSARILY THE ONLY DATE WE COULD PICK.

YOU, YOU, YOU COULD POSTPONE THIS.

UM, THE INTENT AND HOPE WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO FINALLY GET BACK TO OUR NORMAL SCHEDULE OF ADOPTING A BUDGET BEFORE JUNE 30.

UM, BUT IF YOU DECIDED TO POSTPONE THIS, YOU COULD, UM, ADOPT THE TENTATIVE BUDGET AS LATE AS THE THIRD MONDAY IN JULY.

WHOA.

IT'S A LOT OF ROOM TIME, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, SINCE, UM, THE FISCAL YEAR 21 BUDGET WHEN WE DELAYED IT IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT COVID IMPACTS.

I AM A NOT A BUDGET PERSON, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ABILITY TO PRESENT IT IN A WAY THAT FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MINUTES I CAN UNDERSTAND IT, .

ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

I REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU.

OH, THANK YOU.

SHERRY, I HAVE ENJOYED YOUR PRESENTATIONS, WHICH IS

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WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU, SHERRY, WE ARE GONNA MISS YOU.

KAREN, WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU TOO.

OH GOD.

THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.

BUT WE'RE GONNA SEE KAREN AGAIN FOR GARAGE.

MAYBE NOT.

I MIGHT SCARED HER AWAY.

IS THIS IT? KAREN? THIS IS YOUR LAST DAY, RIGHT? OR LAST MINUTE.

ARE WE ADJOURNED? A OKAY.

[5. ADJOURNMENT]

WE'LL SEE YOU TUESDAY AT, UH, WHILE WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AT WHAT TIME? 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.