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WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THREE 30 APRIL 23RD.MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLE? MAYOR JALO.
SO ITEM THREE, UM, A DISCUSSION AND CONSULTATION FOR LEGAL ADVICE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO CONSIDER THE CITY'S POSITION AND INSTRUCT ITS ATTORNEYS REGARDING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION OR SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS IN, IN ORDER TO AVOID OR RESOLVE LITIGATION IN A MATTER OF LA UH, 1120 LA 1146 ADOBE HILLTOP PLAZA, LLC UH, A RS 12 DASH 1134.
NOTICE OF CLAIM REGARDING 1120 SLASH 1146 WEST 89 A AND 80 SOLDIERS PASS ROAD.
THIS MATTER IS BROUGHT IN, UH, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 3 1 0.03, A THREE AND SEVEN.
AND THEN ITEM B, WE'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LIST.
ITEM B, DISCUSSION AND CONSULTATION FOR LEGAL ADVICE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO CONSIDER THE CITY'S POSITION AND INSTRUCTED ITS ATTORNEYS REGARDING CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION REGARDING A REFERENDUM PETITION FILED IN ON AUGUST 20, 24 DASH ONE REZONING PART OF THE CULTURAL PARK TO ALLOW THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK A RS 38 DASH 4 3 1 0.03, A THREE AND SEVEN.
AND THEN WE'LL DO ITEM C WHEN WE GET BACK.
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO GO IN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? SO, MOVED IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AND THAT, THAT WAS SECOND BY COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON GENERAL.
BEFORE YOU ASK FOR, OH, AWESOME.
ITEM C, RETURN TO OPEN SESSION DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS INCLUDING ORDINANCE 2024 DASH ZERO ONE AND ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION WAIVING PARTIAL, UH, ENFORCEMENT OF ORDINANCE 2023 DASH THREE ON, UH, 1120 SLASH 1146 WEST 89 A AND 80 SOLDIER PASS ROAD.
SO LET'S GO TO, UH, ITEM A, UH, FIRST AND, UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT.
ITEM A, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024 DASH EIGHT APPROVING A BINDING WAIVER OF ENFORCEMENT FOR CERTAIN PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA AS OUTLINED IN THE RESOLUTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ITEM B ON THE, UM, SAFE PLACE TO PARK LITIGATION, UH, CULTURAL PARK.
MR. MAYOR COUNCIL, I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO FIRST GET AN UPDATE FROM THE CITY CLERK ON THE REFERENDUM PETITION.
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AND COUNCILS, UH, THE REFERENDUM WAS FILED ON MARCH 14TH, 2024.UM, THEY SUBMITTED, UH, THOUSAND AND 51 SIGNATURES.
UM, 16 OF THOSE WERE REMOVED BY THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, UH, FOR THE CIRCULATOR AFFIDAVIT BEING INCOMPLETE.
AND 15 WERE REMOVED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR SIGNATURES, UM, ON THE PETITION SHEETS THAT WERE AFTER THE NOTARY DATE.
AND THEN ANOTHER 15 WERE REMOVED FOR, UM, ADDRESSES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.
AND 14 WERE REMOVED FOR, UM, SIGNATURES THAT WEREN'T THE COUNTY OF THE MAJORITY ON THE PETITION FOR A TOTAL REMAINING OF 991 SIGNATURES.
AND SO THE APPLICANT RECEIVED A LETTER FROM ME ON, UM, APRIL 12TH WITH THE INFORMATION AND THE NUMBER OF PETITIONS AND SIGNATURES.
AND THEN, UM, I SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTIES, UH, YESTERDAY I HAD 20 DAYS TO COMPLETE, UH, MY REVIEW AND SUBMITTED WELL, I DID GET THE SAMPLING, THE RANDOM SAMPLING FROM THE SECRETARY OF STATES AND WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND DID THE RANDOM SAMPLING ON THE COUNTY PETITION SHEETS, AND THEN SENT THOSE OFF TO THE COUNTY, UM, FOR THE COUNTY REVIEW YESTERDAY.
JOANNE, WHEN DID BY STATUTE, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO TURN THAT AROUND? CORRECT.
THE COUNTY HAS 15 DAYS FOR THEIR REVIEW.
AND ASSUMING THAT THAT REVIEW, UH, SHOWS THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT SIGNATURES TO MOVE THE REFERENDUM TO THE BALLOT, WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
WE'RE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TIME THE COUNTIES FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT, AND THEN WE'RE REQUIRED TO, UM, SEND OUT A PUBLICITY PAMPHLET CALL FOR ARGUMENTS BEFORE THE ELECTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, SO THERE'S, YEAH.
UH, I THINK IT'D ALSO BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM, UH, SHANNON, UH, REGARDING THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROGRAM.
UM, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, JUST, UM, SO THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING HAS ASKED TO BE NOTIFIED BY THE END OF THE WEEK, UM, WHETHER OR NOT WE INTEND TO PROCEED WITH THE PROGRAM UNTIL NOVEMBER.
UM, SO JUST NEED TO GIVE THEM THAT INFORMATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY SIGNED THE, THE GRANT CONTRACT AND PROCEED WITH THE GRANT.
COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON AND COUNCIL FOLTZ, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OH, YOU DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING.
SO IF COUNCIL DECIDED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE PROGRAM AND THE GRANT STARTED, WHEN WOULD THE PROG, WHEN WOULD PEOPLE START? UM, USING THE FACILITY JULY 1ST AT THE LATEST.
AND THERE'S, AND THEN MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
SO AT THIS POINT, THE, UH, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE, WE CALLED THIS TODAY, IS TO GET, UM, FURTHER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.
UH, COUNCIL HAS THREE OPTIONS, UH, IN, IN LIGHT OF THE, UH, REFERENDUM PETITION AND THE, THE REQUEST BY ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, UH, THEY COULD RESCIND THE ORDINANCE, UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, REZONING THAT PARCEL FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM.
UH, COUNCIL COULD PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF JUST TO HOLD OFF ON THE PROGRAM UNTIL THE ELECTION.
UH, THE THIRD OPTION WOULD BE TO, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE PROGRAM, UH, NOTWITHSTANDING THE, THE REFERENDUM PETITION, UH, UNTIL THE VOTERS ACTUALLY, UH, VOTE ON THAT.
SO, JUST FOR CLARITY HERE, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER AND THEN THE, UH, REFERENDUM SAYS, GO AHEAD WITH SAFE PLACE TO PARK CITY OF SEDONA.
I WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT POINT, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE, AND SHANNON CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE WILL HAVE LOST GRANT MONEY AND THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF SAFE PLACE TO PARK WOULD THEN POTENTIALLY BE FUNDED BY THE CITY, UM, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING, UM, A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF IT FUNDED BY A OI SEE NODDING HEADS IN THE BACK.
IF WE DON'T BEGIN THE PROGRAM EXPENDITURES THROUGH THE GRANT, UM, BY JULY ONE, UH, THEN IT'S LIKELY, UH, WE WILL LOSE THE GRANT.
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ARE YOU GOOD? YEAH.I JUST WANNA MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR, IT ISN'T ABOUT LOSING THE GRANT, IT'S ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF WE THEN AFTER THE ELECTION PROCEED WITH SAFE PLACE TO PARK, THE CITY MUST PICK UP THE $887,000 THAT CURRENTLY IS IN THE GRANT FOR THIS PROGRAM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S REALLY CLEAR TO EVERYONE.
ANY OTHER? I I JUST, MAYOR, I'M TRYING TO GO BOTH WAY.
MAYOR, I, I, I WANNA JUST ASK AFTER THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO THAT SCENARIO THAT YOU LAID OUT IS COUNCIL VOTES TO PROCEED, THE REFERENDUM HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER AND THE PEOPLE VOTE NO, IT'S THE OPPOSITE.
SO WE, WE, WE VOTED TO HOLD THE PEOPLE VOTED THAT THE PROGRAM IS.
YOUR COMMENT WAS THE EXPENDITURE WOULD THEN POTENTIALLY BE ON US, BUT THERE WOULD BE AN OPTION AT THAT POINT FOR US TO THEN NOT DO THE PROGRAM.
NOTHING'S, UH, FORCING CITY OR CITY COUNCIL TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROGRAM IS THE CITY PROPERTY.
UH, ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? I, I THOUGHT WE WERE IN QUESTIONS OR GOOD.
DO WE SKIP COMMENTS OR, I WAS ASKING FOR QUESTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT, BY ALL MEANS THAT WOULD, I'M SORRY.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ONLY IN QUESTIONS BEFORE.
I'LL TAKE WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO OFFER.
WELL, UM, WITHIN REASON, THIS IS A HARD QUESTION.
THIS IS REALLY A HARD QUESTION.
WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS OPPOSED TO THE PROGRAM, THEY HAVE EXERCISED A VERY IMPORTANT RIGHT, THAT THEY HAVE, UH, BY PURSUING THE REFERENDUM.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REFERENDUM PLAY OUT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT SOUNDS TO ME AS THOUGH THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES ARE VALID AND IT'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A SAMPLING BY THE COUNTIES, BUT IT SOUNDS, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE STATISTICALLY, I MEAN, I THINK THAT REFERENDUM, IT'S LIKELY THAT IT WILL BE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
UM, I DON'T LIKE CIRCUMVENTING THAT PROCESS, WHICH IS A PROCESS THAT IS IMPORTANT IN OUR SYSTEM.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I VOTED FOR THE PROGRAM.
I, I WOULD, I STILL FEEL THAT IT IS AN UNFORTUNATELY NECESSARY STOPGAP MEASURE FOR OUR CITY, UM, AT THIS TIME, A TEMPORARY ONE.
BUT I ALSO FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT PEOPLE'S RIGHTS IN HAVING THEIR VOICE HEARD WHEN THEY GO TO THESE EXTREMES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR VOICE IS HEARD.
SO FOR ME, MY LEANING AT THIS POINT IS I DO NOT WANNA RESCIND THE ORDINANCE.
I THINK IT'S, SADLY, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING, BUT I DON'T WANNA CIRCUMVENT THIS PROCESS.
SO FOR ME, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A RISK OF OF MONEY HERE, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, THE PROGRAM MAY THEN BE KILLED ANYWAY BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PROCEED.
BUT MY PERSONAL LEANING WITHOUT HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES, THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH GOING FIRST.
YOU DON'T GET TO VET OFF EVERYBODY, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, IS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE REFERENDUM PLAY OUT.
PEOPLE WENT TO A LOT OF EFFORT FOR THAT, AND IT IS A PROTECTED RIGHT, THAT IT PROTECTS THEM.
SO THAT'S WHERE I AM PERSONALLY.
EVEN THOUGH NONE OF IT IS, NONE OF IT IS, IS IS WHERE WE WANNA BE OR TASTEFUL.
I THINK FOR ME, THAT THE BEST THING IS TO LET THE, THE PUBLIC VOICE BE HEARD ON THIS.
AND HOPEFULLY THE PROGRAM WOULD BE ABLE TO STILL PROCEED.
BUT I WOULD RESPECT WHATEVER CAME OUT OF THE REFERENDUM.
THE, UH, SIGNATURE REQUIREMENT IS 10% OF THE VOTING MEMBERS FOR THE LAST ELECTION BY MY SIMPLE CALCULATION, THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES SHOULD THEY SURVIVE THIS PROCESS.
SO THAT 17% OF OUR COMMUNITY HAS TOLD US WITHIN 30 DAYS THAT THEY DO NOT WANNA SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD.
I COULD NOT SUPPORT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES US MOVING FORWARD.
17% OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE SAID NO.
IN FACT, I WOULD RESCIND THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT IS A MAJOR DISTRACTION AND WITH DISTRACT US OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS FROM TALKING ABOUT NOTHING ELSE.
BUT, UH, MOVING FORWARD TO ME IS JUST SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE RESIDENTS.
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GO.UM, I SEE LITTLE GOOD COMING FROM PLOWING FORWARD WITH THIS AT THIS TIME, PENDING THE, UH, UH, ANTICIPATED REFERENDUM IN NOVEMBER.
SO I WOULD, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD VOTE TO, TO, TO PUT IT ON HOLD FOR THE TIME BEING.
SO, UM, I WOULD NOT RESCIND THE ORDINANCE.
I WOULD LEAVE IT STAY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY.
UM, WE HAVE HEARD MULTIPLE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.
HOWEVER, UM, I, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO JUST GO AHEAD, UM, AND WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY, UM, VIA THE REFERENDUM.
SO I'M HAPPY PUTTING IT ON HOLD.
UM, I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IF THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THEN SAY WE THINK IT IS A GOOD STOP GAP MEASURE, UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT WE AS A COMMUNITY ARE WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT CURRENTLY WAS FREE MONEY.
BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY PUTTING IT ON HOLD UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION.
YOU KNOW, REFERENDUM PETITIONS ARE NOT THE VOTE.
WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT 17% OF THE VOTERS IS SIGNIFICANT.
AN 80 20 ELECTION IS A LANDSLIDE.
A 70 30 ELECTION IS A LANDSLIDE.
A 60 40 ELECTION IS A LANDSLIDE.
SO THERE'S STILL LOTS OF ROOM HERE FOR THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA TO UNDERSTAND THE FACTS ON THE GROUND AND TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE INTENT AND THE GOAL AND THE GOODWILL OF WHAT THIS PROGRAM WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
UH, I'M WORRIED ABOUT LOSING THE GRANT.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ACCEPT THE GRANT, INFORM THE STATE, IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM.
I THINK THERE'LL BE INTERESTING DATA THAT WILL BE GENERATED BETWEEN JULY AND NOVEMBER TO SHOW WHETHER THE FEARS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE COMING TRUE OR NOT.
AND WE CAN THAT, THAT WILL INFORM THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION WILL DECIDE.
THANK YOU COUNCIL WILLIAMS. WELL, I STAND EVERYWHERE AT SOME POINT WHEN I'VE BEEN CONSIDERING THIS.
AND MY LATEST THOUGHT IS, YEAH, THIS IS JUST A HUGE DISTRACTION.
IT FRANKLY, IS NOT AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM.
FOR ME, IT'S, UH, WE'RE BUILDING THE HOUSING.
AND WHAT I WANNA DO, UM, IT'S A HUGE DISTRACTION.
IT'S GOING TO, IT'S A CULTURE WAR.
IT HAS ALL THE VERBIAGE AND HYSTERIA AND LANGUAGE OF A MAJOR CULTURE WAR THAT WE HAVE REGULARLY IN OUR, IN OUR COUNTRY.
AND I, I'M JUST, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN, IN ENGAGING IN THAT OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
I, I, I THINK IT'S DISTRACTING.
I THINK WE HAVE REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF TO DO.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A RESIDING, IT IS AN OPTION.
AND I THINK IT GIVES THE MESSAGE THAT WE HEARD THE OPPOSITION.
I DON'T THINK THE VOTE HAS TO HAPPEN, UM, IN ORDER TO SAY WE'VE HEARD THE, THE, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, IT COULD COME OUT EITHER WAY.
RIGHT NOW I JUST, I JUST WANNA SORT OF CUT THE PAIN AND TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, UM, TO OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT, TO THE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THIS AND JUST RESCIND THE ORDINANCE AND DO THE REST OF THE STUFF WE HAVE TO DO.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF WE HAVE TO DO.
I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO INITIATED THIS, UH, HOLD PETITION DID NOT HAVE THE INTENTION.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO WHO RECEIVED, UH, PEOPLE TO THEIR DOOR AND WHO WERE APPROACHED WERE GIVEN WRONG INFORMATION, MISINFORMATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL, THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE PETITION.
BUT PEOPLE WERE TOLD, OH, THE CITY IS TRYING TO BRING HOMELESS HERE.
WHEN IT WAS CLEAR THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, IT WAS A WELL MANAGED PROGRAM.
UH, IT WAS FOR CRITICAL PEOPLE, TEACHERS, WORKING PEOPLE IN OUR STORES AND, UH, IN OFFICES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.
BUT YET THE WRONG INFORMATION WAS GOTTEN OUT.
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I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY, VERY, UH, MISFORTUNATE FOR US.UH, THIS IS A CRITICAL PROGRAM.
I THINK THAT, UM, BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE WHO KEEP, CONTINUE TO CALL ME AND TALK TO ME ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET INTO A, UH, DOCTOR'S OFFICE.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF.
DOCTORS CLOSE A LITTLE BIT EARLY.
THEIR FAVORITE RESTAURANT, UH, UH, THE FOOD STORES ARE ALL LACKING PEOPLE TO, UH, STOCK THEIR SHELVES AND THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE LIVING IN THEIR CARS IN THE FOREST.
UH, AND THAT INFORMATION REALLY WASN'T PUT OUT ON THE, UH, PETITION.
IT WAS THE CITY WANTS TO BRING HOMELESS HERE.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? AND THAT'S A DIRECT QUOTE TO SOMEONE WHO, WHO, UH, CALLED ME.
IT WAS ALSO, UH, IN THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION FOR THIS TOPIC, PEOPLE WERE ALIGNING IT WITH THE CULTURAL PARK.
THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE, UH, ITEMS. THE CULTURAL PARK, IF THERE'S EVER DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, BRINGING BACK THE MUSIC VENUE THAT'S YEARS AWAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC PROCESS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A FAIR AND OPEN PROCESS THAT WOULD TAKE TWO AND A HALF, TWO TO TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK WOULD BE ALREADY BEEN WRAPPED UP, CLOSED DOWN, AND HOPEFULLY MOVED TO A WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, UH, BUILDING.
BUT YET PEOPLE STOOD UP AT THE PODIUM SAYING, SAVE THE CULTURAL PARK.
WE DON'T NEED THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AGAIN.
SO THE, I I BELIEVE THAT, UH, MY COLLEAGUES WHO SAID THAT THIS IS A DISTRACTION FOR US ARE CORRECT.
WE DON'T NEED DIVIDING AND DIVISIVE, UH, UH, DISCUSSIONS AROUND TOWN.
THERE'S ENOUGH ITEMS IN OUR TOWN THAT WILL DIVIDE US, AND WE DON'T NEED THOSE.
WE NEED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER AS BEST WE CAN.
SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE RESCINDING OF, UH, THE ITEM.
I THINK IT'S, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID.
I RESPECT THE FACT THAT 17% HAVE, UH, SPOKEN, EVEN THOUGH MOST OF THEM, WELL, MANY OF THEM 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM.
AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THOSE PEOPLE EXCEPT A FEW, HANDFUL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MISINFORMED.
AND WHEN THEY HEARD WHAT IT REALLY WAS, THEY SAID, OH, I WISH I DIDN'T SIGN IT.
BUT STILL, THE PROCESS IS THE PROCESS.
SO I WILL, UH, GO ALONG WITH RESCINDING.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS SAID FOR NOW.
JESSICA, OH, HE HAS, LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A REQUEST.
BRIAN, I, I'M IN PRETTY STRONG DISAGREEMENT WITH A FEW OF MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE OVER THE IDEA OF RESCINDING.
IF WE'RE GONNA RESCIND EVERY TIME THAT SOMETHING IS HARD TO DO IN THIS TOWN, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
IF THIS GETS VOTED DOWN, THAT'S FINE.
BUT TO PULL THIS BECAUSE IT'S HARD OR THAT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S DIVISIVE, THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA LAY DOWN FOR ANYTHING THAT'S HARD.
SO, SORRY, I THINK WE NEED TO PAUSE.
IT'S INFLAMMATORY, I THINK TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IN THE MEANTIME.
BUT TO SAY THAT IT'S TOO HARD OR TOO DIVISIVE, I'M SORRY, I DON'T BUY THAT BECAUSE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US IN THIS TOWN ARE HARD AND THEY DO BECOME DIVISIVE AND WE CAN'T LET, EVEN IF IT'S 17% OF PEOPLE ALL OF A SUDDEN START TORPEDOING VARIOUS INITIATIVES THAT WE WANNA UNDERTAKE.
WHAT'S THAT? WILLIAMSON? AND THEN KINSELLA.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE WHOLE FIRST PART OF YOUR STATEMENT MADE ME CHANGE MY MIND BECAUSE, AND, AND THEN YOU CAME UP WITH A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONCLUSION.
BUT ANYWAY, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS MISREPRESENTED.
I DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, A LOT OF THINGS WERE SAID THAT WERE NOT TRUE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGNED IT FIGURING THEY COULD VOTE OR NOT VOTE FOR IT.
UM, AND, AND I'M SURE CERTAIN PEOPLE SIGNED IT ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
BUT I, I ACTUALLY TOTALLY AGREE WITH, WITH THE RANT THAT BRIAN JUST PUT OUT.
I THINK, I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE UGLY.
I THINK IS IT GONNA BE DIVISIVE? I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF THE KIND OF STUFF THAT IT BEHOOVES ALL COMMUNITIES TO AVOID, WHICH ARE THE CULTURE WARS.
IT'S, IT'S CLOUDED UNDER ALL KINDS OF OTHER ISSUES, BUT IT'S A CULTURE WAR ISSUE.
SO I HAVE CHANGED MY POSITION TO WHERE I AM GOING TO SUPPORT PUTTING IT ON
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HOLD AND WAITING FOR THE REFERENDUM.AND THEN, UH, UM, WELL, I WANTED TO KNOW IF I, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I DON'T WANNA CUT OFF DISCUSSION, BUT I, I, AGAIN, I FEEL THAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REFERENDUM PLAY OUT, BUT I AGREE THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE RESCINDED BECAUSE THE REFERENDUM WILL DO THAT PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH IN EFFECT ACTUALLY.
UM, AND TO JUST RESCIND IT DOESN'T LET THAT PLAY OUT.
SO I, I, THAT'S WHERE I STAND AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT EFFECT WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR IT, MAYOR.
SO I'M NOT GONNA RANT, BUT, UM, RANT.
I'LL, I'LL SAY THE FOLLOWING 17% IS NOT TO MR. FURMAN, COUNCILOR FURMAN'S POINT.
IT IS NOT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE AT 17%.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE REST OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY YET.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE ONCE WE START TO SAY, WE'RE GONNA RESCIND THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO.
AND I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO PERSONALLY.
TO USE YOUR WORDS, VICE MAYOR.
I THINK IT'S JUST A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY IF WE DO NOT ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY AT THE POLLS TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD.
BECAUSE IT'S 17% IS ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF THE VOICE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF RESCINDING.
I AM OKAY WITH PUTTING IT ON HOLD, BUT WE CANNOT RESCIND SOMETHING UNTIL EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, JUST BECAUSE THEY DID NOT NOT SIGN A PETITION.
SO NEITHER OF YOU RANTED, BUT YOU BOTH RANTED
THE 30, 30 DAYS WAS DESIGNED TO GET FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY SEVEN, NINETY ONE SEVENTY NINE, WHATEVER NUMBER 5 9 7 HMM.
I'M TOTALLY WILLING, WHAT I SAID I WOULD NOT SUPPORT ON DIRTY CIRCUMSTANCES IS MOVING FORWARD IN THE SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED THE PETITION FOR A REFERENDUM THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT AND VOTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
WAS THE SLAP IN THE FACE NOT RESCINDING THEN? I APOLOGIZE.
IT'S DIVIDING OUR OWN COUNSEL.
WE'RE SCREAMING AT EACH OTHER AND ACCUSING AND ATTACKING EACH OTHER.
HAVE THIS BE WHAT WE DO FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER TILL NOVEMBER.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUT THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM ON HOLD UNTIL WE HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE REFERENDUM.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YES, PLEASE.
JUST WANNA CHECK IN WITH STAFF AGAIN ON THIS.
IF THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO, NOT TO SIN, BUT TO PAUSE IT, RIGHT? I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT, UH, A, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING IS LIKELY TO SAY THAT THEY MAY MOVE.
YOU CAN SAY LIKELY OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING IS GONNA SAY, AH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SPEND THIS MONEY ON THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE THOUGHT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA PULL THE GRANT AND SPEND THE MONEY TO THE LONG LIST OF OTHER IDEAS THAT WE HAD WHEN WE ANNOUNCED THIS PROGRAM.
IF IT, IF THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY WEREN'T SO OVERSUBSCRIBED, THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO WANT THIS MONEY TO SERVE OTHER HOMELESS POPULATIONS, THEN I WOULDN'T DO THAT.
LIKE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT, SHANNON, I KNOW THAT THAT'S A, IT'S A GUESS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD WITH DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, BUT WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT BEING? THE OUTCOME IS? IT'S ONLY MY OWN PERSONAL GUESS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ME.
THEY SAID, LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO AND THEN WE'LL MAKE OUR DECISION.
MY GUESS IS MORE LIKE 90% THAT THEY WOULD RESCIND ALL, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A RES RESCISSION.
SO I I I WANNA CHALLENGE WHAT MY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE THINKING IN THIS REGARD.
THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT VOTING POTENTIALLY A VOTE FOR IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION ISN'T A VOTE TO RESCIND, BUT IT IS A VOTE TO RESCIND AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYWHERE ELSE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE MORE TIME? ADO WELL, ADO IS GONNA SAY, UH, ADO ADO ADO.
ADO WAS GONNA SAY NO GRANT MONEY SO WE COULD PROCEED ON OUR OWN MONEY.
WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT DECISION YET EITHER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS COUNCIL HAS THE APPETITE FOR THIS WHOLE PROGRAM, UH, WITHOUT THAT FUNDING.
SO THAT I I SO THANK YOU THAT THAT WAS CORRECT.
THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE SCENARIO THAT'S PLAYING OUT.
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MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO WRITE INVOKE RIGHT.OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE BECAUSE SINCE IT WAS A COMMENT TO THE MOTION THAT I MADE, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SO, PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, THAT'S PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
BUT YOU, UM, SO I DON'T AGREE BECAUSE THE MOTION THAT I MADE PUTS THE PROGRAM ON HOLD.
THE PROGRAM I, THE FUNDING IS SEPARATE FROM THE PROGRAM.
MY MOTION UNDERSTANDS THAT THE FUNDING MAY BE LOST.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE PROGRAM THOUGH CAN COME BACK DEPENDING ON THE REFERENDUM, AND THERE WOULD BE A DISCUSSION THEN WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY WOULD FUND IT, WOULD SEEK OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING SOURCES.
I LIKE TO SEPARATE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MY MOTION DOES NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE ASSERTED ABOUT THE FUNDING.
THE MOTION FOR THE PROGRAM IS SEPARATE THAN THE FUNDING QUESTION.
AND I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SINCE IT ON MY MOTION.
I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS PROGRAM WAS ORIGINATED WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION OF THERE BEING A GRANT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IT WAS WELL DOWN THE PATH BEFORE WE HEARD THE WORDS GRANT.
SO WE WERE EYES WIDE OPEN TO BEGIN WITH THAT IF THIS WAS GONNA HAPPEN OR IF THIS WAS PROJECT WOULD MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE WOULD BE FUNDING IT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE NUMBER WAS.
I THINK WE HAD A PLACEHOLDER THAT WAS LESS THAN WHERE IT'S ENDED UP, BUT THERE WAS NO, UH, EXPECTATION OF A GRANT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY WENT DOWN THIS PATH.
SO COUNCILOR FURMAN, TO YOUR POINT IN THIS CASE, UH, IT WE'RE NO, WE'RE NOT EFFECTIVELY RESCINDING BECAUSE THE GRANT WAS NEVER PART OF WHAT THIS WAS GONNA BE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY F UH, FOUNDED AND ALSO TO THE VICE MAYOR.
UH, TWO OF OUR COLLEAGUES SPECIFICALLY SAID, NOT YOU, BUT SPECIFICALLY SAID WOULD SUPPORT RESCINDING THE ORDINANCE.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GETTING OVERSENSITIVE ON THIS.
AND ME BEING FERVENT ABOUT IT IS NOT A RANT OR AN ATTACK ON ANYBODY UP HERE.
IT IS A, IT IS THE PRINCIPLE BEHIND IT THAT IS APPLICABLE FOR ALL OF US.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT I'M NOT MISSING ANYONE.
WOULD YOU LIKE THE MOTION RESTATED? YES, PLEASE.
THE MOTION IS TO PUT SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM ON HOLD UNTIL WE HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE REFERENDUM.
AND IT WAS SECONDED, I BELIEVE, BY COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON.
SO IT, WE'RE GOING TO, IT PASSES.
WANNA PUT THAT ON RECORD? THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON.
COUNSELOR KINSELLA, COUNCILOR DUNN AND COUNSELOR FUL IN FAVOR? CORRECT.
AND FOR THE RECORD, THE REASON I VOTED NO IS BECAUSE I WOULD'VE VOTED TO, UH, RESCIND THE MOTION.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
WE'LL END THIS MEETING BACK IN FIVE MINUTES.