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LET'S START THE MEETING.[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
P TWO 2:00 PM WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.OH, UH, LET'S JOIN, JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE, PLEASE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL.
[2. ROLL CALL]
MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, THE ROLL CALL PLEASE.[3.a. AB 2378 Discussion/possible action regarding the Sedona in Motion transportation program.]
SPECIAL BUSINESS.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE SEDONA IN MOTION TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
AND KURT, YOU'RE GOING TO KICK THIS OFF? YES, SIR.
THIS REMINDER, THIS IS JUST THE UPDATE, IT'S NOT THE IN-DEPTH REVIEW.
WE'RE GONNA START OUT WITH ANDREW BEARER TO KIMLEY HORN, WHO'S GOING TO DO A LOT OF THE UPFRONT PRESENTATIONS.
UM, PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT? YOU CAN, YES.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO REMEMBER.
AND THEN WE HAVE A BIG LONG PERIOD.
UM, AND THEN ONCE ANDREW'S DONE, THEN THE CITY AND I WILL PRESENT OUR PART OF SIM AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA SPEND SOME TIME TOO IN THE DASHBOARD.
SO JUST GETTING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
WAS IT? ALRIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AGAIN.
UH, HAPPY TO BE HERE TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE SNOWED MOTION PROGRAM TODAY.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE UPTOWN DISTRICT PROJECTS.
UM, WE HAVE A DRONE VIDEO THAT'S ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES THAT SHOWS, UH, NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENT.
UH, THEN IT STARTS TO LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION ALONG FOREST OAK CREEK.
UH, AND FROM THERE I'M GONNA GO INTO THE DATA DASHBOARD, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS DISCUSSED AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT.
WE'VE MADE SOME UPDATES TO IT BASED ON, UH, THE UPTOWN NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, UH, AS WELL AS JUST MAKING UPDATES BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE HAVE SOME STATIC IMAGERY TO SHOW AS WELL AS I CAN DIVE INTO THE DASHBOARD ITSELF.
UH, TODAY TO RUN THROUGH THAT, WE HAVE THE VIS MODELS, WHICH IS REALLY JUST A RECAP OF THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE.
UH, BUT WE ARE ZOOMING IN SO WE CAN BETTER SEE THE CARS ON A COUPLE OF 'EM BASED ON RECOMMENDATION FROM LAST TIME.
UM, THE VISTA MODEL IS MEANT TO BASICALLY GO HAND IN HAND WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN RESULTS IN THE DASHBOARD AND THEN SOME OF THE TRAFFIC WE'RE SEEING IN UPTOWN.
WE DID, UH, WE PUT SOME CAMERAS UP AFTER THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS WENT IN PLACE, UH, A COUPLE TIMES JUST TO SEE HOW TRAFFIC WAS UTILIZING THE NEW CHANGES TO THAT INTERSECTION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, UH, WHAT WE'VE SEEN THERE.
SO MOST OF TODAY IS, IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF TRAVEL TIMES WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN JUST SOME UPDATES ON, ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH PROJECTS.
UH, YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE SEVERAL TIMES.
THESE ARE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING IN, IN THE UPTOWN DISTRICT.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE STATUS.
UH, SOME OF WHICH HAS CHANGED, OBVIOUSLY.
NUMBER TWO, THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS HAVE COMPLETED AND THEY WERE COMPLETED, UH, THE FIRST WEEK IN MARCH.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN, WE WERE UP THERE CAPTURING DATA, UH, AS WE SAW TRAVEL TIMES THROUGH THERE AT OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE PEAK TIMES HERE IN SEDONA.
UH, THE GARAGE NUMBER THREE IS BACK IN THE DESIGN PHASE.
I KNOW, UH, WE COMPLETED THE, THE STUDY WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GARAGE.
SO I KNOW THAT, UH, IS WILL BE DISCUSSED, UH, KINDA LATER IN THE AGENDA.
UM, FOREST ROADS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS AS EVERYONE'S SEEN.
YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE, IN THE DRONE VIDEO.
AND, AND OBVIOUSLY AS YOU DRIVE 89 YOU CAN SEE WE'VE, OR 89 A, YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE, THEY'VE TOUCHED DOWN AT THAT TIE IN, WHICH IS A, A BIG STEP.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TRAFFIC CONTROL OUT THERE RIGHT NOW WITH THE SEWER CONNECTION, WHICH IS ANOTHER CHALLENGING PIECE.
UM, BUT I DROVE THAT A COUPLE TIMES THROUGH AS I GOT HERE A LITTLE EARLY AND IT DOES SEEM TO BE FLOWING PRETTY WELL IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC NOT FLOWING PRETTY WELL AS A SEWER THAT'S NOT CONNECTED YET.
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UH, WHAT ELSE IN TERMS OF UPDATES HERE? UH, DESIGN PHASE ON FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN, UH, BREWER RANGER IS AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT PHASE.WE'VE COMPLETED A HUNDRED PERCENT PLANS.
THEY'RE NOT SIGNED AND SEALED, UH, YET AS WE'RE WE'RE COORDINATING A FEW MINOR DETAILS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING IF THOSE THAT RECALL.
WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THAT ACTUALLY TWO YEARS AGO, RIGHT AROUND APRIL OF 22.
AND SO AS WE ARE NOW, THE CON THE DESIGN IS FINALIZED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO KINDA START CONSTRUCTION TIMING, UH, SEQUENCING, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC FOR A SECOND TIME.
IS THAT SCHEDULED YET, ANDREW? THAT IS NOT SCHEDULED YET.
UH, AND THEN FIVE AND SIX FIVE IS THE, THE, THE ROUNDABOUT THAT'S DESIGNED.
WE JUST SUBMITTED 60% PLANS AND COMPLETED, UM, OUR DRAINAGE ANALYSIS FOR THAT BECAUSE WE WERE PUTTING A CULVERT IN SOLDIER WASH.
WE HAVE TO SUBMIT, WHICH, WHAT'S CALLED A CLOER CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP REVISION TO FEMA THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH COCONINO COUNTY FIRST.
SO WE'VE HAD ONE ITERATION OF THAT SUBMITTAL TO COCONINO COUNTY.
ONE SET OF REVIEW COMMENTS, THE CLR IS GOING BACK TO THEM.
THEY WERE MINOR AND THEN IT GOES TO FEMA.
UM, IF YOU'RE DOING WORK WITHIN A WASH THAT'S A DESIGNATED FLOODWAY, UH, YOU HAVE TO ULTIMATELY GET A, A LETTER OF MAP PROVISION, WHICH IS IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S ALL TIED IN WELL WITH WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE 60% DRAWINGS.
WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, HIS, WHAT WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE HISTORY OF WALK? I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY BEING CALLED.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, UH, UPTOWN HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE AND THEY'RE COMING UP WITH A DESIGN AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AS WELL.
HOW THAT COORDINATES WITH OUR DELIVERY OF SIM ONE B IS UNKNOWN A DOUBT.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE DONE SOMETIME THIS FALL, I WOULD EXPECT.
BUT THEY SHOWED US SOME EXAMPLE OF THE FRAMES AND ALL THAT AND IT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE NEW EXHIBIT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
SO WHETHER IT'S CALLED HISTORICAL OR NOT, IT'S UP TO THEM.
DID THE ATTRACTIONS CHANGE? I DUNNO FROM THE LAST TIME THAT THEY, IT'S GONNA BE ALL DIFFERENT.
IT'S JUST GONNA LOOK DIFFERENT.
THE INFORMATION WILL BE THE SAME.
BUT WITH THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO 'EM, THEY WANTED, UH, WITH THE HERITAGE MUSEUM, THEY WANTED A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UH, REVIEW AND PANEL.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOW MANY, WHERE THE SIZE, BUT THEY JUST SHOWED US THE FRAME.
IT'S ALL GONNA BE METAL AND RUST, SO IT MATCHES THE RAILING AND SO ON.
SO, BUT THE CONTENT IS THE SAME? NO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF PANELS.
THEY'RE NOT, THE OLDER ONES ARE, THEY'RE GONNA BE KEEPING THEM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE ALL DIFFERENT IN THE ROCKS.
SOMEBODY SWAPPED THEM OUT OR SOMETHING.
SO THEY'RE GONNA PUT DIFFERENT, I GUESS, DISPLAY PANEL KIOSK AT EVERY, EVERYONE.
I THINK THERE WAS NINE THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE LAST, AS OF LAST WEEK.
SO, HEY, CURRENT, I BELIEVE THEY'RE WORKING ON DIFFERENT INFORMATION TO BE, UM, PLACED ON THOSE PANELS AS WELL.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S CORRECT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE HISTORICAL MOVIES ANYMORE.
IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING LIKE A HISTORY WALK THAT'S GONNA, WHAT THEY DISCUSSED IS MATCHING WITH THE MUSEUM.
SO THE LONG TERM PLAN WAS SOMEONE COULD WALK FROM THE MUSEUM THROUGH UPTOWN DOWN 89 A TO RANGER PARK AND THERE'S GONNA BE A THEME THAT THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO FOLLOW THROUGH THAT.
SO IT'S GONNA TRY TO BE COORDINATED.
AND THE, AND, AND WHAT IS THE BODY THAT HAS THE FINAL OKAY.
ON THAT LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF SEDONA AND THE VISION THAT WE WANT TO PUT OUT THERE? IT'S THE SEDONA MUSEUM HISTORICAL PRESERVATION GROUP.
THE SAME ONE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE RANGER PARK.
IT'S GONNA BE ABOVE GROUND, I MEAN, AT AT GROUND LEVEL NOW, NOT BELOW GROUND LEVEL.
NO, THEY'RE GONNA, THAT'S THE PART OF THE TALK IS HOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT MOUNTED ON THE RAILINGS WHERE WE HAVE THOSE LITTLE BULL BOUTS, YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY AND SPEND TIME LOOKING THERE.
THERE'S JUST TWO FOOT OFFSET AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE PLACED AND WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, A DA ACCESSIBLE AND SO ON.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTS THAT ARE LED LIGHTS WITHIN IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH CALM DEV AND, UM, SO IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
SO I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, I ALREADY WENT OVER ALL, MOST OF THESE PROJECTS, JUST A COUPLE UPDATES ON THE RANGER AUXILIARY LANE AND THEN THE Y METERING AND SUB LANES.
THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ON ADOT DISTRICT MINOR FUNDING THAT PROJECT.
I KNOW KURT'S BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ADOT THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS.
SO AS, AS SOME WILL REMEMBER, WE MODELED THE AUXILIARY LANE AND ONE OF OUR, I THINK A 28 ITERATIONS OF THE VISTA MODEL JUST TO, TO SEE THE EFFECT OF, OF THAT LANE ON TRAFFIC.
AND IT, IT DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, ESPECIALLY
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WITH THE, THE, THE NARROW SPACING BETWEEN 1 79 AND BREWER.UH, SO THAT, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT AND GETTING THAT THROUGH WITH ADOT WOULD BE, WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT.
I'D LIKE TO ADD TO COUNCIL MEMBERS THOUGH THAT IT'LL PROBABLY BE A TEST WITH ADOT SINCE THIS IS LIKE THE FIRST ONE IN THE STATE.
SO WE'RE HOPEFULLY WE WILL, MOST LIKELY WE WILL HAVE A TEST PERIOD IN THAT TO SEE HOW WE'LL DO OUR MODEL, WE'LL JUSTIFY IT, HOPEFULLY THEY CAN ALLOW US TO DO IT.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE A TEST PERIOD, SO YOU'LL BE ABREAST OF THAT.
THAT'S JUST AN OVERALL SHOW IN THE AREA I JUST WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THIS WAS A RENDERING FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE SEE RANGER BREWER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE RANGER EXTENSION RIGHT EXCHANGE THERE IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN THE ROUNDABOUT UP ON, ON 89.
SO JUST A NICE STATIC IMAGE THAT, UM, ULTIMATELY AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT WHEN THESE PROJECTS GET CONSTRUCTED.
ANDREW, IF I COULD, YEAH, BACK ON THAT DIAGRAM.
I I WANTED TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
WHERE UHOH GET BACK TO YOUR PICTURE.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME GO BACK HERE.
SO THERE'S A, A A A A TRAIL WE CALL THE BK CONNECTOR THAT RUNS KIND OF UNDER THE CULVERT THERE AND, AND THEN DOWN TOWARDS WHERE THE BURGER KING USED TO BE.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT RELATIVE TO ALL THESE PROJECTS? RIGHT NOW IN OUR 60% DRAWINGS, WE SHOW A PATH PEELING OFF THE SHARED USE PATH.
IT'S RUN ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF ULTIMATELY THE RANGER EXTENSION, BUT WE DO HAVE THE SIDEWALK AND SHARED USE PATH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO WE HAVE A TIE-IN DOWN TO THAT CROSSING AND THAT TRAIL SYSTEM OFF OF WHAT IS ULTIMATELY GONNA BE THIS CONTINUED SHARED USE PATH THAT RUNS ALL ALONG RANGER.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PLANNED CONNECTION TO THAT TRAIL SYSTEM IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE LAID OUT IN THE PAST IN THE STEPS OR WHAT THE FOREST SERVICE THINKS ABOUT? IS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FOREST SERVICE? UM, THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T COORDINATED WITH THE FOREST SERVICE ON IT.
WE, WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH THEM.
WE HAVEN'T HAD DISCUSSIONS SPECIFIC TO THAT WITH THEM AT THIS POINT.
WE, WE, WE WORK WITH ADOT FIRST IS OUR PRIORITY TO ALLOW THEM TO USE US THAT STORM DRAIN THAT WE WOULD PUT THAT PATH UNDER AND CONNECT THROUGH AS A WAY TO AVOID PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT.
AT THE MOMENT WE HAVE IT PLANNED TO GET FROM THE AT GRADE SHARED USE PATH DOWN TO THAT TRAIL.
WE JUST HAVE THAT CONNECTION FROM OUR PROJECT INTO THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OF THE TRAIL ITSELF UNDER THE CULVERT.
THAT, THAT'S INTENTIONAL AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
OKAY, KURT, UM, JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY ONE ITEM, SORRY, I'M MAKING SURE YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS AS, AS POSSIBLE.
I KNOW I'VE GOT DOUBLE THIS IS BY THE END OF THIS, I'M GONNA HAVE IT AND WE CAN GO BACK IN A MONTH.
IT'LL BE BETTER AT IT IF WE COULD POSSIBLY GO BACK TO THAT IMAGE AGAIN.
YEAH, SORRY, IT NOW, SO ONE THING TO CLARIFY.
RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN COMMUNICATION ABOUT CONCERN WITH, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS BEING INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN OF THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT.
AND SOME OF THAT CON UH, COMMUNICATION ALLUDED TO A HISTORY OF, OF CONCERN AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THEIR CONCERNS.
AND REALLY WHAT WE HAVE, I WISH I HAD MY POINTER HERE, BUT, AND, AND FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN EITHER OF YOU GUYS AS I GO ALONG, BUT THERE'S REALLY TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS HERE, UM, IN RELATION TO THE BREWER RANGER AREA.
SO WE HAVE THE NEW ROUNDABOUT THAT WE'RE DESIGNING.
WE ALSO HAVE THE PORTAL LANE EXTENSION THAT RUNS RIGHT THERE.
IT, THAT CONNECTS INTO BREWER WITH OUR NEW IMPROVEMENTS.
THE, THE PROJECT RELATED TO THE PORTAL EXTENSION IS A PROJECT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT PROJECT ON PAUSE WHILE WE FINISHED THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT.
SO THERE WAS A PAUSE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE WHAT WE REALIZED, ONE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, THAT THE BEST CONNECTION OF PORTAL LANE WAS NOT TO RANGER ROAD, BUT INSTEAD TO BREWER.
THAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO EXTEND THAT CONNECTION.
AND THEN, UM, THE, THE OTHER HAD TO DO WITH, UM,
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NEEDING TO KNOW, I GUESS IT WAS EXACTLY KNOWING WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, UM, SO THAT WE COULD INFORM THE OTHER PROJECT, THE PORTAL EXTENSION.SO IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO NEEDING TO COMPLETE THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT BEFORE WE COULD GO BACK TO THE PORTAL EXTENSION.
SO YES, THAT, THAT COMMUNICATION WAS PUT ON HOLD UNTIL WE GOT THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT COMPLETED.
AND KURT HAS BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND UM, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN, THE MAIN THING I NEEDED TO CLARIFY WITH THAT.
SO COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AK HERE? YES, I AM.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR YEARS AND THE RECENT COMMUNICATION DID NOT INDICATE THAT THERE MUCH HOPE OR MUCH, UM, WILLINGNESS TO EVEN PARTICIPATE.
AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I READ IT.
I KNOW IT'S FROM A LAWYER, I KNOW IT HAS ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
DO YOU ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, WHAT IS YOUR PROJECTION OF SUCCESS IN NEGOTIATING THAT, UM, PARTICULAR PROJECT? UM, BECAUSE WE HAD, AS I RECALL, THREE PROJECTS THAT YOU WERE MOVING AHEAD WITH THEM, NOT ONE OF WHICH SEEMS TO, UM, BE ENGENDERING A GREAT DEAL OF COOPERATION.
SO CAN YOU GIMME SOME SENSE OF THAT PLEASE? SO THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IS IN PROCESS, IT'S PROGRESSING WELL AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S NOT ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THAT IS, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE, THE THREE
AND, AND FROM MY OBSERVATION, I REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN THAT INVOLVED.
KURT'S BEEN LEADING THE COMMUNICATION ON THAT PROJECT AND I, I THINK THAT'S GOING WELL.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT.
WELL THAT LOOKS LIKE, SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
IS THIS A LAWYER, JUST A LAWYER WRITING? OR DOES THIS REPRESENT A REAL, A REAL, A REAL, THE LETTER WAS A STANCE AGAINST PARTICIPATING ON THIS PROJECT.
IT SAID, WE DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS.
I BELIEVE THEIR LAST SENTENCE WAS THAT I, I KNOW THEY WERE SAYING THAT IN RELATION TO THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT, BUT BACK TO THEIR CONCERNS, THOSE SPECIFICALLY ARE RELATED MOSTLY TO THE PORTAL EXTENSION.
IT'S LESS ABOUT THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT.
SO WHEN I SAY THEY WERE GOING WELL, I FEEL LIKE KURT WAS DOING A GOOD JOB OF REACHING OUT.
I REALLY WOULDN'T DO ME ANY GOOD TO SAY HOW WELL THINGS ARE COMING BACK IN OUR DIRECTION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO AND WHAT WE CAN TO, TO COMMUNICATE.
UM, I I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR REDUCTION OF FRICTION AND ISSUES IN THAT 1 79 CORRIDOR.
THE PORTAL EXTENSION IS A PROJECT THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THAT.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE CAN PURSUE IF OKAY, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MOVE THAT PROJECT FORWARD.
UM, BUT THOSE OTHER OPTIONS WOULD BE MORE IMPACTFUL ON TOY P**I.
SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT, UM, THAT THEY'LL GET ON BOARD AND WORK WITH US ON THAT PROJECT.
UH, COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON ALSO, IT'S NOT JUST THE PORTAL LANE, IT'S THE PARKING THAT THEY HAVE WITHIN IT.
AND THEY WERE VERY, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR PARKING AND SO ON.
SO THE MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WAS THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE FACING, WHAT WE CAN THE CITY TO TRY TO HELP THEM.
AND THERE'S SOME CONCESSIONS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S O NOT OVER THE, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT, AND RECALL, I WORKED WITH ADOT FOR FOUR YEARS ON THE OAK CREEK BRIDGE AND, UM, TO LOCK HOCKEY PLUS THE CENTER NEW AGE IS WHAT WAS MY ASSIGNMENT TO WORK WITH THOSE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS OR THE MANAGERS.
UM, SO I HAVE SOME HISTORY THERE AND I CAN TRY TO U LEVERAGE THAT TO SHOW THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECTS AS AND SO ON.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S OVER YET.
WE HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO, BUT I CALL IT WALK AND TALK.
AND WE'RE STILL, WE STILL ENGAGING AND WE'RE MOVING AHEAD.
OKAY, KIRK, MOVING ALONG THEN.
THANK YOU ANDY FOR ADDRESSING THAT.
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SO WE'RE TRAVELING OBVIOUSLY ALONG NORTHBOUND LOOKING AT THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS AND YOU CAN SEE THE SHARED USE PATH THAT WAS INSTALLED ALONG WITH THE, UM, THE MEDIAN THROUGH HERE.THIS WAS THREE WEEKS AGO SATURDAY.
YEAH, WE FLEW THIS, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO.
WHAT TIME OF DAY IS THAT? THIS WAS IN THE MORNING.
I THINK WE FLEW THIS AROUND 10 O'CLOCK.
WE HAD A BUNCH OF WEATHER AT THE TIME, SO IT WAS REALLY HARD TO PLAN DRONE FLIGHT.
ARE YOU GONNA BE DELIVERING PACKAGES? SANDRA
SO ONE THING TO NOTE, AND WE'LL SEE THIS KIND OF AS WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE, THE VIDEOS LATER ON IS ONCE, UM, NORTHBOUND WAS COMPLETED, WE HAD TWO SEPARATE TIMES WE PUT CAMERAS OUT.
WE PUT ONE CAMERA OUT AT FOREST LOOKING SOUTH DOWN WHERE WE WANTED TO, UM, LOOK AT THE MERGE CONDITION IN THAT, IN THAT SCENARIO.
AND THEN WE PLACED A CAMERA AT JORDAN, UH, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING AT TRAFFIC AS THEY WERE KIND OF NAVIGATING WHAT WAS THIS, UM, RECEIVING LANE FOR THE TURN LANE, WHICH SUBSEQUENTLY AS, AS WE WATCHED TRAFFIC OUT THERE FOR A WEEK AND, AND TALKING TO STAFF PUT OUT, UH, THE VERTICAL PANELS TO SIMULATE, ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WERE THINKING IS GOING TO BE THE END CONDITION HERE FOR EITHER STRIPING OR, UH, SOME MEDIAN MODIFICATIONS.
UH, BECAUSE AS I'LL, I'LL JUMP INTO IT A LITTLE LATER.
WE JUST, WE HAVE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF, OF CARS USING THAT AS A BYPASS LANE, UM, AND NOT UTILIZING FOR WHAT WAS ITS INTENDED USE.
AND, AND ONE THING YOU'LL SEE IN THE FLYOVER IS WE DON'T HAVE THE PERMANENT STRIPING AND UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON UPDATES TO, UM, THE SIGNINGS AND, AND MARKINGS HERE.
AND SO, UH, THAT'S ONE THING YOU'LL NOTE KIND OF AS WE RUN THROUGH THIS PER FIRST PORTION OF THE VIDEO, WE WERE STITCHING THIS THING TOGETHER.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY 12 MINUTES LONG AND THEN WE GOT IT DOWN TO SEVEN.
AND THE LAST THING IS WE WERE GONNA TRY AND PUT MUSIC TO IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE I DIDN'T WANNA NARRATE FOR SEVEN MINUTES, BUT WE RAN OUT OF TIME.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HARMONIZE WITH ME, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN HERE'S, HERE'S A SHOT OF THE AMARA RIGHT TURN LANE, WHICH WAS DONE UH, A YEAR AGO.
AND, AND FOR HONESTLY A SMALL PROJECT, BUT BIG IMPACT IN TERMS OF PULLING THOSE, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THOSE IT'S, THERE'S ROOM FOR FOUR OR FIVE VEHICLES THAT OTHERWISE IN THE PAST WOULD'VE HAD TO TURN FROM THE THROUGH LANE AND DURING PEAK TIME.
AND WE HAVE A HUNDRED TO 200 PEDESTRIANS AN HOUR HERE THAT CAUSES SIGNIFICANT BACKUP.
SO WE DID REALIZE, UM, SOME BENEFITS THROUGH HERE JUST BY PUTTING IN THIS RIGHT TURN LANE.
AND THEN WE'VE ALL SEEN THIS, THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS.
I CAN FAST FORWARD AND THEN COMING BACK THROUGH, WE RAN TWO TIMES SPEED 'CAUSE I KNEW EVERYONE WAS GONNA GET BORED OF SEEING THE SAME THING OVER AGAIN.
BUT WE DID WANT TO KIND OF CAPTURE THE APPROACH FROM THIS ANGLE.
UM, AGAIN, WE'LL SEE SOME, SOME IMAGERY LATER ON OF, OF CAMERAS KIND OF ON THE GROUND LEVEL MORE DURING PEAK TIMES WHEN WE WERE PICKING UP A, A FRIDAY, SATURDAY IN MARCH AND APRIL.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF MERGES IN CONGESTION.
ALRIGHT, SO ANDREW, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY AGAIN, SO IN THAT STILL SHOT RIGHT THERE WHERE WE'VE GOT THE VERTICAL PANELS ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE THERE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING TO MAINTAIN SOME FORM OF BLOCKING OF THAT LANE IN THE GO FORWARD THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO DO IS NOT WORKING? IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NOT WORKING.
WHAT THE, WHAT THE OPTION WAS WAS THERE WAS CONSIDERATION TO HAVE THE EASTBOUND LEFTS COMING OFF OF FOREST RUN AT THE SAME TIME AS THE THROUGHS AND FURTHER ADD CAPACITY IN THE SIGNAL.
'CAUSE WHEN WE HAVE SIGNAL TIMING, ANYTIME WE HAVE OPPOSING MOVEMENTS, WE LOSE GREEN TIME FROM OTHER ONES.
SO WAS THERE WAS THOUGHTS OF WE COULD RUN THOSE IN PARALLEL.
IF WE HAVE A RECEIVING LANE FOR THE TURN LANE HERE, YOU COULD RUN THROUGH MOVEMENTS HERE AND THEN HAVE A MERGE POINT AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY AS WE SAW HOW TRAFFIC WAS NAVIGATED AND AS WE ACTUALLY STARTED WORKING THROUGH WITH SIGNAL TIMING, UH, WE REALIZED THAT THOSE NEEDED TO BE SEPARATE PHASES.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS CREATED HERE WAS WHAT WAS PERCEIVED IN SOME CASES, UH, AS A PASSING LANE IN THIS SHORT STRETCH.
AND THAT IS NOT THE INTENT AT ALL.
WE ARE, WE NEED TO BE DOWN TO ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC THROUGH HERE.
THE STRIPING IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO, WHEN IT'S FINISHED, IT'S GOING TO CARRY THIS ONE LANE ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO JORDAN.
THIS LANE WAS ONLY MEANT TO BE POTENTIALLY FOR THOSE LEFT TURNS OPERATING AT A SEC, UH, A SEPARATE PHASE TO UTILIZE
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THIS LANE BEFORE THEY MERGE.BUT, UM, NEVER WITH THE, THE THROUGH TRAFFIC.
SO YES, AS WE, AS THIS OPENED UP, THE EXPECTATION WAS JUST BECAUSE WE HAD A, A COMPLETELY NEW INTERSECTION WITH DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS AS, AS VEHICLES WERE APPROACHING DURING PEAK TIME THAT WE WANTED TO GET OUT THERE AND MONITOR AND SEE WHAT WE SAW.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS THIS LANE SHOULD NOT BE UTILIZED.
NOW THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION SPACE PLANNING IF WE WANT TO ACTUALLY PULL THIS STRIPE MAYBE OVER TO THE MIDPOINT TO ALLOW FOR MORE SPACE ON THIS OUTSIDE LANE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW.
BUT FOR THROUGH TRAFFIC AND TURNING TRAFFIC, THIS LANE IS NOT A NECESSITY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE STRIPING TO HAVE UTILIZED IT THE WAY YOU INTENDED.
RIGHT? I MEAN WE WOULD HAVE THE, WE WOULD HAVE THE APPROPRIATE STRIPING BASED ON WHEN IT'S FI WHEN THE FINAL STRIPING IS THERE.
RIGHT? BUT WHEN YOU WENT LIVE WITH THIS, YOU AND RIGHT NOW TO THIS MOMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE STRIPING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT LEFT TURN OFF OF FOREST.
SO DO YOU REALLY KNOW WHETHER THAT WILL WORK OR NOT IN THAT RESPECT? YOU KNOW, CAN'T YOU, CAN'T YOU USE STRIPING AND ANY OTHER MEANS TO GET THE, THAT FOREST ROAD TRAFFIC TO STAY IN THAT ONE LANE SO THAT THEY CAN THEN MERGE APPROPRIATELY? AND I MEAN, 'CAUSE ISN'T ISN'T THE PURPOSE OF THIS TO HAVE MORE QUEUING SPACE? I MEAN THAT'S SO THAT THAT IS THE WAY IT WAS STRIPED INITIALLY.
AND AND IT RAN FOR A WEEK, I THINK IT WAS.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A WEEK AND A HALF WHERE WE WERE OBSERVING DURING THAT TIME AND SEEING THAT IT WASN'T OPERATING THE WAY, IT WASN'T OPERATING EFFICIENTLY THAT WAY.
THE TRAFFIC WAS NOT FOLLOWING THE STRIPING.
SO THEY WERE UTILIZING THE ADDITIONAL LANE SPACE AND JUMPING LINES AND, AND, AND TRYING TO PASS CARS WHEN THAT WAS, THE STRIPING WAS MEANT TO, TO CARRY THIS THROUGH MOVEMENT AND STAY IN THIS NUMBER TWO LANE BEFORE THEY TAPER INTO, INTO JORDAN.
SO, AND, AND I I MIGHT SAY TOO THAT IF WE THOUGHT THAT UTILIZING ADDITIONAL Q SPACE WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT OVERALL, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO A ZIPPER MERGE HERE, LIKE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A MIDDLE IN A MINUTE RELATED TO FURTHER TO THE SOUTH.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT.
BUT WHAT WE DID REALIZE IS THAT, THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE MORE EFFICIENT TO TRY TO MAKE THAT WORK AT THIS LOCATION.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY YOU'RE ONLY, YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT LOSING WHAT, FIVE, SIX VEHICLES IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FILL ALL THAT AS A QUEUE.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW TO GAIN EFFICIENCY THAT I THINK WILL BE MORE EFFECTIVE.
UH, ANDREA, I HEARD YOU SAY FOR THIS, UH, LANE THAT'S CONNED OFF RIGHT NOW, YOU SAID POTENTIALLY BIGGER MEDIAN, BUT MAYBE YOU'D MOVE THE TRAFFIC TO THE WEST SIDE AND OPERATIONALIZE THAT.
I, I'M WONDERING IF YOU ALSO, ON YOUR LIST OF THINKING ABOUT IS A BIGGER SIDEWALK, MORE PUBLIC SPACE ON THAT SIDE RATHER THAN JUST THINKING ABOUT FOR VEHICLES.
SO YOU HAVE TRAFFIC MAKE THE CHICANE AND, AND RIDE UP THE, IT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE ON HERE, BUT IT WOULD BE THE LEFTMOST LANE AND INSTEAD OF MORE CAR SPACE THERE ON THE RIGHT, YOU MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN SPACE OR SOMETHING OTHER THAN CARS.
IS THAT ON YOUR MIND? THAT WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED TO THIS POINT? UM, AND PRI OH GO AHEAD.
WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT SEVERAL THINGS.
UM, IN THIS AREA WE ARE LOOKING AT PEDESTRIAN FLOW AND HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING EFFICIENTLY AS WELL.
'CAUSE THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT'S IMPACTING OVERALL TRANSPORTATION FLOW IN THIS AREA.
UM, ALONG THOSE LINES, WE'RE WORKING WITH PINK JEEP ON THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO TO HELP SURE THE SITUATION BOTH WITH VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
SO I JUST REMEMBER THE UPTOWN, UH, AREA SPECIFIC PLAN AND WE TALKED ABOUT MORE, YOU KNOW, TABLES AND JUST RIGHT DIFFERENT KIND OF SPACE THAN WE REALLY HAVE NOW.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO, UH, IF, IF YOU WERE GONNA MAKE THAT A MEDIAN AND PUSH THAT TRAFFIC TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S NOT A GOOD USE OF THE SPACE, RIGHT? SO YEAH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, UM, IS PROBABLY LIKE, LIKE ANDREW MENTIONED, PUSHING TRAFFIC TO THE WEST BUT ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE REDUCE SOME OF THAT FRICTION IN THAT AREA.
BUT DEFINITELY ALSO LOOKING AT THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FLOW AS WELL.
PETE, YOU GOOD? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
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OKAY, ANDREW, CONTINUE.SO NEXT, AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE Y WE'RE GONNA PAN OVER CLOSE YOUR EYES HERE.
WE DIDN'T CLIP THIS AS WELL AS I'D HOPED.
UM, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA FLY THROUGH FOREST, UH, SEVERAL TIMES.
WE'RE GONNA WORK OUR WAY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UH, BREWER, RANGER INTERSECTION THEN AND THEN MOSEY ON BACK UP.
AS YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THIS FIRST STEP, WE'VE GOT, UM, THIS CAST IN PLACE WALL THAT'S GOING ON ADJACENT TO TENNIS COURTS, WHICH IS, IS GOING REALLY WELL RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY.
AND THEN THIS OBVIOUSLY ON HERE, WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT WALLS OUT HERE DEPENDING ON, UH, KIND OF RESTRICTIONS WITH, UM, THE AREA WE CAN WORK IN.
THE, THE ROCKERY WALL IS COOL IF, IF THOSE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE IS FROM THE BLASTING DOWN BELOW, THEY'RE HARVESTING THE MATERIAL AND BRINGING IT BACK UP TO BUILD THESE WALLS, WHICH WAS THE INTENT ALL ALONG.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO SEE 'EM OUT THERE.
THERE'S SPECS IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE ROCK THAT NEEDS TO BE THE BOTTOM, THE BASE LAYER WORKING WAY UP.
AND THEN IT HAS TO BE AT A CERTAIN SLOPE, WHICH THEY'RE MATCHING.
BUT WATCHING THEM ACTUALLY KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE THE PROPER ROCKS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BRING BACK UP IS, UM, IT'S, IT WAS THE INTENT.
AND IT IS GREAT TO ACTUALLY SEE IT COME TO FRUITION AS THEY BUILD, UM, SOME OF THESE SIGNIFICANT WALLS.
AND SO DOWN HERE IS WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF PICKING THROUGH THE ROCK AND THEN THEY BRING IT UP AND, AND FINISH UP THIS WALL HERE.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER ROCKERY WALL THAT'S GONNA BE GOING IN.
UM, SO A LOT OF THE ROCK, I MEAN IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ROCK THAT OBVIOUSLY CAME OUT OF HERE, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE WHAT WE CAN FOR, UH, FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
AND AGAIN, THIS WAS FLOWN, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, SO THIS IS WHERE THEY'VE MADE A LITTLE MORE IMPROVEMENT DOWN HERE AT THE CONNECTION AND, AND OBVIOUSLY DISCUSSED EARLIER, THEY'RE TRENCHING DOWN HERE TO CONNECT IN WITH THE SEWER.
UH, SO RIGHT HERE'S WHERE THE, THE FUTURE ROUNDABOUTS GOING TO GO.
AND THIS IS SOLDIER WASH COMING THROUGH HERE.
HERE'S THE TRAIL THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING THAT COMES ALONG AND I, I BELIEVE THE CULVERT CROSSING IS A LITTLE BIT OFF THE SCREEN.
UH, HERE'S EARLIER WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WE, WE'VE SUBMITTED FOR THE CLR HERE AND, AND ULTIMATELY WE'LL GET THAT INTO FEMA PROBABLY WITHIN THE MONTH AFTER THE COUNTY REVIEWS IT STAGING AREA ULTIMATELY WHERE, UM, PARK RIDE EXCHANGE IS GONNA GO.
SEE, I CAN'T EVEN GET THE NAME RIGHT.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS, IS ALONG WHERE ULTIMATELY THE RANGER EXTENSION, UH, WILL FALL AND THEN TO THE, UH, RANGER BREWER INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
I, SO I'M GONNA TURN AROUND AND SKIP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN THIS COMING BACK UP THE HILL CONNECT THE WALL.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE THAT'LL SHOW IS JUST THE, THE DRONE IMAGERY OF THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
IT'S LIKE STAR WARS AND THIS WAS NEAT.
WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET UNDER THE BRIDGE AND, AND FLY IT.
COULDN'T COME UP THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE OF THE TREES.
WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF PULL IN FROM THE, UH, THE EAST SIDE AND THEN PAN AROUND JUST TO SEE, UM, PROGRESS.
MIGHT BE ABLE TO CATCH OUR DRONE, OUR DRONE GUY RIGHT HERE WATCHING HIS WORK.
WHERE'D MY, WHERE'D IT GO? OH, THERE IT IS.
THEY FOUND IT AND THEN PAN BACK UP.
I, AND THEN COMING UP ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO NICE LITTLE PROGRESS VIDEO THERE.
'CAUSE I REALIZE WE WANT TO JUMP INTO MORE SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS.
UM, THIS IS JUST SORT OF A GENERAL ADD-ON TO COUNCILOR FURMAN'S STATEMENT QUESTION.
UM, IT, IT SEEMS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE UPTOWN AREA IS AS YOU START TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT PEDESTRIAN WALKING BEHAVIOR, IT'S ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WHEN YOU HAVE SORT OF
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THIS EXCESS SPACE THAT YOU DON'T WANT CARS TO GO INTO AFTER YOU'VE SORT OF LOOKED AT YOUR DESIGNS, HOW TO TURN THAT INTO PEOPLE SPACES, HOW TO TURN THAT INTO, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMEPLACE THAT, THAT MIGHT HAVE SEATING OR MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE.I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE, YOU WERE TRYING TO HEAD.
AND UM, SO INSTEAD OF USING JUST STRIPING OR, OR USING CONCRETE OR PUTTING UP, YOU KNOW, UH, GABBY ON WALLS TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING THAT, UM, UH, INVOKES THE IDEA THAT UPTOWN IS A PLACE TO COME AND VISIT AND, AND BE AS PEOPLE.
AND THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE FRIENDLY SPACES SORT OF SCATTERED ALL ACROSS UPTOWN, UM, INSTEAD OF PLACES FOR CARS AND PARKING.
SO DID I GET THAT CORRECT? EXACTLY, YEAH.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF KURT OR ANDY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I'LL JUST SAY, I MEAN, AS WE'VE COME HERE, I THINK EVERY IMPROVEMENT WE LOOK AT IS EQUAL PARTS PEDESTRIAN VEHICLE BIKE.
AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT, OBVIOUSLY KIND OF A NUMBER ONE IS HOW WE'RE GONNA SAFELY GET ALL THOSE MODES OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THIS CONGESTED AREA.
BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE HAVE SPACES WHERE YOU CAN TURN THEM INTO MORE GATHERING SPACES.
AND I'LL GO BACK TO JUST SPECIFICALLY, AND I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF BEEN SHELVED FOR A WHILE, BUT AT, UM, RIOT EXCHANGE SPECIFICALLY, THAT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED AS REALLY A, A HUB OF, OF ACTIVITY THAT IS NOT FOR VEHICLES.
SO TO GET THERE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT YOU HAVE TO GET THERE EITHER BY BUS, BY BIKER ON FOOT, AND THEN THERE'S SPACE STILL FOR A PLAZA.
THERE IS SPACE STILL FOR ACTUALLY AN ACTIVATED SPACE RATHER THAN JUST A BUS DEPOT THAT YOU GO TO CATCH.
SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, FROM A CONCEPT PLANNING, WE HAVE KIND OF PURPOSELY MADE LEANED MORE TOWARDS PED MODES OF TRAVEL AND THEN ALSO A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY STAY AND, AND, AND CONGREGATE FOR AN HOUR RATHER THAN JUST SIT AND WAIT FOR A BUS TO COME THROUGH AND KIND OF A CONCRETE AREA.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF ONE EXAMPLE OF PRIORITIZING THAT.
DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? I DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE COULD FINISH.
UM, MOVING PEOPLE IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN, IN WHATEVER MODE THEY CHOOSE TO MOVE.
AND I GET THAT THE, THE IDEA IS EVEN THINK ABOUT IN THE UPTOWN AREA, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE SEE WHO LIKE STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF CROSSWALKS BECAUSE THEY GET FLOORED BY, YOU KNOW, THE ROCKS THAT THEY SEE AROUND THEM.
WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF THERE WAS A SPACE THAT THEY COULD STOP AND TAKE PICTURES OF ALL THAT WITHOUT SORT OF BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAFFIC WHERE THEY CAN LET THEIR, YOU KNOW, TODDLER'S HAND GO WITHOUT THE REST OF US WORRYING ABOUT HITTING THAT TODDLER, UM, IN THE ROAD.
SO IT'S JUST THAT EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THIS SHOULD JUST BE EFFICIENT ROADWAY, THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY HOW IT'S BEEN BEING USED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE AND EVEN SOMETIMES OURSELVES RIGHT? WE GET CAUGHT BY SNOW ON THE ROCKS OR SOMETHING AND YOU JUST SORT OF, OOH, IT'S JUST TO, TO SORT OF THINK ABOUT THAT TOO IS THE FACT THAT PEOPLE IN MOTION DON'T ALWAYS STAY IN MOTION.
THEY, THEY DO STOP AND I'D RATHER HAVE THEM HAVE COOL LITTLE SPACES TO STOP IN THAN, UM, SAY THE MIDDLE OF A CROSSWALK.
SO I INTENDED TO HAVE A GOOD COPY OF THE RENDERING AS, AS COUNSELOR FURMAN REQUESTED.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET TO THAT.
UM, WE HAVE SHOWN THAT IN THE PAST.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE IT QUEUED UP TO HAVE IT ON DISPLAY HERE, BUT THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS WHAT THE, THE GATHERING SPACE FOR THE WATER WHEEL IS INTENDED TO BE.
IT'S NOT JUST A WALKING PATH FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, A, A, A GATHERING, UM, SPACE WITH ARTWORK.
IT'S, IT'S GOT, UM, PHOTOS OF THE OLD, UH, PUMP HOUSE IN, IN THE AREA BESIDE THE, UH, THE WATER WHEEL.
UH, SO IT, IT'S INTENDED TO BE A SPACE WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S ART PROVIDED AND IT'S ALSO A, A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO GET DOWN ADJACENT AND NEAR TO THE CREEK.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HEARD FROM MANY PEOPLE THAT JUST WALKING ABOVE THE CREEK AND CROSSING ON THE BRIDGE IS NOT THE EX THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT BEING DOWN ADJACENT TO IT AND, AND NEXT TO IT WILL, WILL BE A DRAW IN ITSELF.
SO I THINK WE'VE CAPTURED THOSE FEATURES WITH SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WATER WHEEL, THE, THE, UM, ARCHITECTURE AND, AND ART, ART,
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UM, COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT.BUT TO THE OVERALL POINT OF BEING A DRAW, I THINK, UM, IT'LL BE A UNIQUE PLACE TO BE ADJACENT TO THE CREEK WHERE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THAT IN ANOTHER PLACE AS, AS A PUBLIC, UM, UH, AS PUBLIC ACCESS.
I MEAN, I KIND OF, I THINK THE, I THINK WHAT THERE, WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO TAG ONTO IT AND SORT OF SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT IT BE BROADER, THAT, THAT THE THINKING BE BROADER, THAT A TRANSPORTATION, A CAR TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND I WOULD, I MEAN, I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE THE NEW PERSON THAT WE ARE HIRING WHO CAN MAYBE DO SOME URBAN DESIGN WORK ALONG WITH SOME OF THESE WILL BE ABLE TO ADD A LEVEL OF, OF, UM, OF WHAT COOLNESS,
AND SO, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SUPPORT THE OVERALL IDEA THAT MOVING THE TRAFFIC IS OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN THING.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE DOING, I KNOW YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF THIS, UM, THIS IS NOT TO SAY YOU'RE NOT, IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S ALMOST A DIFFERENT MINDSET AND I THINK, I THINK AN URBAN DESIGNER MIGHT BE ABLE TO SORT OF ADD MORE OF THAT.
SO I'M HOPING TO GIVE THAT SOME, SOME WORK.
BUT I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMMUNITY IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT WHAT BOB HAS DONE IN THIS PROCESS.
SO IF BOB, YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? I DO KNOW THAT, JUST, JUST TO START THIS OFF, THAT BOB'S COORDINATED WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WITH THEIR PLANNING STAFF AS WELL AS, UM, I THINK IT WAS WITH FOLKS FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION POSSIBLY AND OTHERS TO BRING IN ELEMENTS FOR THIS GATHERING SPACE THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED IN THE PROJECT.
I, I MEAN, I GUESS, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM BOB WHAT I SAID IN NO WAY IS TRYING TO DIMINISH WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE.
I THINK IT'S JUST ADDING A, A BROADER PERSPECTIVE.
I'LL BE GLAD TO LISTEN TO BOB.
SO YES, AS ANDY REFLECTED UPON, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, STAFF AT A COMMUNITY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE ALSO BEEN WORKING OUT AND REACHING IN, TALKING WITH THE FOLKS AT THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM.
THEY WILL BE CONTRIBUTING SOME, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS FOR OUR PROJECT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WINDOWS, WHAT WE CALL A WINDOWS ON THE PASS.
SO IF YOU'RE DOWN THERE IN THAT GATHERING AREA, YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE OF WINDOWS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BUILT INTO THE SIDE OF A HOUSE.
AND AS YOU APPROACH THOSE WINDOWS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK INSIDE AND SEE SOME HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE OF THAT AREA FROM THE, FROM THE PAST.
UM, THOSE ARE LITHOGRAPHS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BE CHANGED OUT INTO OTHER PICTURES OVER TIME.
SO IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME THEME ALL THE TIME.
WE ALSO HAVE THAT WHEEL WATER WHEEL DOWN THERE TRYING TO RECREATE SOME OF THE OLD, UM, PUMP HOUSE, UH, ARCHITECTURE AND LOOK IN THAT REGARD RELATIVE TO THE UPTOWN.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFF DIFFERENT OR SIMILAR IN, IN TRYING TO CREATE SOME MORE GATHERING SPACE ALONGSIDE THE STREETS.
AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING TO LOOK FOR.
I KNOW YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS IT.
SO, UM, I THINK THE TERM THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW IS MAKING THINGS SEDONA SPECIAL.
AND, UM, U UPTOWN'S SUPPOSED TO BE A VERY SPECIAL PLACE IN SEDONA AND UM, WE WANT IT TO LOOK THAT WAY AND TO FEEL THAT WAY.
AND WE'RE JUST, I THINK WE'RE JUST SAYING AS YOU CONSTRUCT THINGS, AS YOU DO THE DESIGNS THAT YOU'RE DOING, WHICH ARE DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, TO JUST ADD THAT SORT OF LEVEL ON TOP AND SAY, WE'RE NOT USING THAT SPACE FOR THIS.
CAN WE POSSIBLY USE IT FOR SOMETHING THAT MAKES THIS PIECE OF SEDONA JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIAL? SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO SAY.
WE, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH STEVE AND HIS, HIS NEW, HE'S RIGHT BACK THERE.
UM, HIS NEW STAFF PERSON THAT'S COMING ON BOARD JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE TO LOOK AT THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
I JUST WANT TO ADD TOO, WE'VE HEARD HEAR YOU AND THAT'S WHY ON OUR SIM ONE B WE PUT THAT SHARED USE PATH AT GREAT EXPENSE TO THE PROJECT, WORKING WITH ANDREW ON THE DESIGN TO TRY TO OPEN MORE SPACE JUST FOR THAT REASON.
SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP DOING THAT.
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THANK YOU.ANDREW, YOU READY? YEAH, SURE.
JUST, I JUST WANNA CHECK BEFORE WE GET TO THE DASHBOARD, UH, I KNOW A COUPLE OF US WANNA TALK ABOUT THE WHY ITSELF.
WE, WHEN WILL YOU BE GETTING TO THAT, UH, IN THE PROGRAM? THE WHY ITSELF? UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE WAY OF YOUR DASHBOARD.
SO WILL THE DASHBOARD BE SHOWING THE INTERACTION OF THE WHY? UH, I HAVE A, THE VIS MODEL THAT SHOWS TRAFFIC THROUGH THE Y UH, BASED ON THE MODEL.
AND SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT THERE.
UH, SO THE, ALL OF THIS IS, IS COMING TO POINT OF, OF INPUTTING THIS DATA INTO THE DATA DASHBOARD, WHICH THE PRIMARY METRIC THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS TRAVEL TIMES ON SPECIFIC ROUTES.
THAT'S HOW WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT, UM, HOW PROJECTS, ONCE PROJECTS ARE IMPLEMENTED, IF THEY ARE, ARE MATCHING WHAT WE HAVE MODELED OR IF WE NEED TO KIND OF MAKE TWEAKS AS WE START TO LOOK AT IT.
SO THIS IS CERTAINLY A LIVING, BREATHING DASHBOARD AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.
WE KEEP INPUTTING DATA AS IT COMES FORTH.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE GOAL IS AS PROJECTS COMPLETE OR AS PROJECTS ARE IN CONSTRUCTION, WE INCLUDE THOSE AS A PROJECT AND WE LOOK AT SPECIFIC ROUTES THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO IMPACT AND WE START TO TRACK TRAVEL TIMES THROUGH THERE.
SO I HAVE, UH, SIX OR SEVEN KIND OF STILL IMAGES FROM THE DASHBOARD AND THEN COME BACK AND, AND GET A LINK TO THE ACTUAL DASHBOARD AND KIND OF, UM, TOGGLE AROUND THROUGH IT AND JUST SHOW YOU KIND OF, UH, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE.
BUT, UM, IT'S MEANT TO ULTIMATELY BE ROLLED OUT TO CITI AS AS, AS NAVIGATED A BIT COUNCIL.
IT'S MEANT TO ROLL OUT ULTIMATELY AS A PUBLIC TOOL TO, TO KIND OF SEE HOW THESE PROJECTS ARE COMING ONLINE AND JUST TO GET IN AND KIND OF SURF AROUND AND SEE WHAT YOU SEE, WHICH I'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST MONTH.
AND I STILL AM LEARNING NEW THINGS HERE THAT I HAVE TO PING PEOPLE FOR.
AND, AND WHEN THIS ROLLS OUT, WE PLAN TO BE THIS AS, AS PART OF OUR OUTREACH AND ALL SIM TO GET THE CITIZENS VISITORS ALIKE TO GO TO THE WEBSITE, LOOK AT IT, PLAY WITH IT, AND ACTUALLY BECOME MORE INFORMED AT WHERE TIME THEY'LL SEE THE PROGRESS GAINED IN TIME SAVED TRAVEL SIGN.
SO WHAT ULTIMATELY WE HAVE IS YOU GET TO THE MAIN PORTION OF THE DASHBOARD IS YOU HAVE SELECTION TOOLS WHERE YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES FOR WHICH WE'RE TRACKING TRAVEL TIME, WHETHER THAT'S GOOGLE TRACTION OR WAZE.
WE HAVE INCLUDED VIS, WHICH IS IS SPECIFIC SATURDAYS IN WHICH THE VISTA MODEL IS BUILT ON.
BUT IT, IT DOES SHOW WE CAN TAKE THE VIS TRAVEL TIMES AND KIND OF EQUATE IT TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND SEE HOW EVERYTHING LINES UP.
YOU CAN PICK A DAY OF THE WEEK AND A LOT OF THESE, I'M PICKING FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, JUST TO SEE ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, THE COMPARISONS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT KIND OF DATA SETS.
YOU CAN, CAN WORK WITH THE EXISTING BEFORE IMPROVEMENT, WHICH YOU CAN TOGGLE ALL THE WAY BACK TO, I BELIEVE 2019.
SO IN THIS CASE I'M LOOKING AT MARCH OF 22 FOR COMPARISON OF THE AMARA RIGHT TURN LANE COMPARED TO MARCH OF 23 AND LOOKING AT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OUR AVERAGE TRAVEL TIMES THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR.
OTHER THINGS WE LOOK AT AS WE LOOK AT AVERAGE TRAVEL TIMES IS STANDARD DEVIATION, IS IT A PRETTY TIGHT DATA SET? IF WE SEE DEVIATIONS THAT ARE HALF THE TRAVEL TIME OR SOMETIMES 60%, THEN WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF VARIATION DURING THAT DAY.
YOU'LL SEE 85TH PERCENTILE TRAVEL TIMES YOU GO THROUGH, WHERE AGAIN, IN SOME CASES YOU'LL SEE A SIGNIFICANT SPIKE AT 2:00 PM WHEN COMPARED TO 10:00 AM.
UH, THAT'LL SHOW US THAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, A LOT OF VARIATION IN IN TRAVEL TIMES OVER THAT SET.
UM, SO HERE, JUST THE FIRST ONE ON MY RIGHT TURN LANE, LOOKING AT THE ROUTE FROM Y TO TROUT FARM, UM, IN 22 ON LET'S SAY A SATURDAY, IT TOOK 8.7 MINUTES ON AVERAGE AND THEN A SATURDAY IN 23 IT WAS 8.2.
SO WE DID SEE A REDUCTION IN THAT TRAVEL TIME ON FRIDAY WENT FROM 8.2 TO A 7.7.
THIS IS JUST FRIDAY, SATURDAY SUNDAYS.
AND JUST KIND OF COMPARING ALL THE DIFFERENT DATA SETS ON THE NEXT SCREEN IS NOW LOOKING AT ONCE NORTHBOUND HAS BEEN INCORPORATED, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OUR TRAVEL TIMES.
AND THE DATA IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THE TRAVEL TIMES IN 24 ACTUALLY GO UP SLIGHTLY FROM WHAT THEY WERE IN 23.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER VARIABLE THAT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT, WHICH IS NOT IN THE DASHBOARD YET, IS TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
SO WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, I'M GONNA JUMP AHEAD.
WE'RE STARTING TO BE ABLE TO INPUT VOLUMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US.
SO YOU CAN COMPARE KIND OF DAILY VOLUMES AND THEN LOOK AT THE VOLUMES AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T COME TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, LOOK AT ALL THIS IMPROVEMENT HERE.
AND THEN YOU SAY, HEY, TRAFFIC WAS 80% LESS, OF COURSE IT'S GONNA BE FASTER.
UH, SO THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE COGNIZANT OF AND ACTUALLY INPUTTING INTO THE THE DASHBOARD AS WELL.
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THIS ONE, JUST AS WE GO THROUGH IT, YOU SEE THE, THE TIMES ACTUALLY WENT UP.SO AS I GO BACK, WHEN I GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL SITE, YOU CAN START TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT SPECIFIC DAYS AND SEE THAT WELL MAYBE THIS DATA IS THROWN OFF WITH THE ST PATRICK'S DAY PARADE ON SATURDAY, MARCH 16TH.
MAYBE I NEED TO THROW THAT DATA OUT BECAUSE THAT'S AN OUTLIER OR THE BIKE RACE, UH, TWO WEEKS PRIOR.
SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY DIVE INTO IT AND SEE THIS IS JUST HOLISTICALLY MARCH YEAR OVER YEAR COMPARISON.
UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF TRAVEL TIMES ON ONE SPECIFIC ROUTE.
BUT ONE THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, QUITE A BIT IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT JUST A IMPROVING TRAVEL TIMES ON A SPECIFIC ROUTE.
IT'LL IMPROVE TRAFFIC TIMES THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
AND WE'LL SEE THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT NORTHBOUND AND THE Y IF WE START TO PULL TRAFFIC OUTTA THE Y BECAUSE THERE WILL ACTUALLY QUEUE DOWNSTREAM OF IT.
WE SHOULD SEE IMPROVEMENT IN THE Y WITH TRAFFIC THAT DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH NORTHBOUND.
THE THIRD TIME IN A WEEK YOU GET TO HEAR THIS.
SO THIS TIME IS IT THIS TIME? THIS TIME, THIS TIME.
SO, SO FIRST TIME WE, WE GOTTA GET A DIFFERENT BENCHMARK ON THE NORTHBOUND 1 79 TRAFFIC MEASURING FROM BELL ROCK BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THE VILLAGE TO THE Y IF, IF WE CALL THAT, YOU KNOW, AN EXCESS TRAVEL DAY, LIKE IF, IF IT'S BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO BELL ROCK BOULEVARD, WE NEED TO SEND A, A MESSAGE OUT AND TELL PEOPLE TO STAY HOME BECAUSE IT'S A CATASTROPHE, RIGHT? SO WE NEED TO GET A DIFFERENT INDEX THAT CAN BE IN THIS DASHBOARD THAT IS SOMETHING LIKE FROM POCO DIABLO AS A FOR INSTANCE TO THE Y THAT IS A FAR MORE REALISTIC MEASURE.
IT'S A GREAT STANCE FROM A, UH, TRANSPARENCY PERSPECTIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT IT CAN APPRECIATE A MEASURE THAT ACTUALLY IS MORE IMPACTFUL TO THE COMMUNITY THAN MEASURING FROM BELL ROCK BOULEVARD.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST AS A, FOR INSTANCE, ON SATURDAY AT 10 39, I CAME TO A STOP ON 1 79 AT POCO DIABLO AND IT TOOK 14 MINUTES TO GO TO 1.8 MILES TO THE Y AND I WOULD CALL THAT AN EXCESS TRAVEL DAY.
AND, BUT, BUT WE'RE COMPLETELY MISSING THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE WEREN'T BACKED UP TO BELL ROCK BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THE VILLAGE.
SO MY ASK IS JUST TO GET ANOTHER MEASUREMENT POINT ON 1 79 AND BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S SET UP ALREADY.
YEAH, SINCE WHEN? UM, SINCE YOU, EARLIER TODAY.
SO I, I JUST DO, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THOUGH THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE MEASURE FROM WHETHER IT'S AIRPORT ROAD TO THE Y BELL ROCK BOULEVARD TO THE Y OR RAINBOW TROUT FARM TO THE Y, THOSE ARE JUST TWO POINTS OF REFERENCE FOR, FOR A SEGMENT.
SO WITHIN THAT SEGMENT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE BACKED UP TO SOME PORTION OF POINT A TO POINT B, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS KEEPING A RELEVANT TRAVEL TIME BACK TO WHAT FREE FLOW IS.
SO I CAN TELL YOU NOW, DOODLEBUG TO THE Y FREE FLOW TRIP IS ABOUT FIVE MINUTES WHEN WE HAVE A CONGESTED EVENT IN THAT SEGMENT.
NOW IT MAY ONLY BACK UP TO CANYON, IT'S STILL CONGESTED FOR A PORTION OF THAT, BUT YOUR TRAVEL TIME NOW FROM POINT A TO POINT B MIGHT BE 10 MINUTES.
IT'S JUST NOT CONGESTED ALL THE WAY BACK THE END OF THAT SEGMENT.
BUT LIKE IN THE BUDGET BOOK LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE WORKLOAD INDICATOR PAGES WAS LISTING WHERE DO WE HAVE EXCESS TRAVEL DAYS THAT WE MEASURE AND WE'RE MEASURING TO BELL ROCK BOULEVARD AND NOT SOMETHING LIKE DOODLE BUG.
THAT'S WHERE I'M SAYING WE NEED ANOTHER MEASURE MEASUREMENT POINT THAT IS MORE RELEVANT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR CITY THAN WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE VILLAGE.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO REPORT THAT AS WELL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE DASHBOARD IS ANY ROUTE THAT IS WANTING TO BE ADDED, WE CAN ADD IT IN AND IMMEDIATELY START TO POPULATE DOODLE BUCK TO THE Y OKAY.
BUT IT'S YOUR PLEASE OUR VICE MAYOR IS THAT LIVE? THIS, THIS DASHBOARD NOT HERE, BUT YEAH, IT'S, SO THAT IS ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS IS THERE ARE THE WAYS WHERE WE CAN AUTOMATE SETUP.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A MANUAL ENTRY.
SO WE PULL TRACTION DATA THAT OUR FIRM PULLS AND WE MANUALLY ENTER INTO THE DASHBOARD.
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ONE MORE STEP THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IS TO AUTOMATE THAT TO GO, OKAY, AS IN REALTIME TRAFFIC POPULATES REALTIME DASHBOARD AND YOU CAN BE GETTING INFORMATION WITHIN THE HOUR.NOW THERE'S A CERTAIN BIT OF FIREWALL THAT WE WANNA INCORPORATE BEFORE WE WOULD WANT TO KIND OF VIEW THE DATA FIRST.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE JUST AS AUTOMATED SYSTEM.
'CAUSE THERE ARE SOMETIMES BUGS IN THE SYSTEM.
MAYBE THERE'S AN ACCIDENT THAT'S NOT POPULATED ON HERE OR MAYBE THERE'S AN EVENT AND THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I'M SEEING 50 MINUTES HERE, WHAT'S GOING ON? SO, UM, BUT YES, THERE IS A, THERE IS A WAY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.
IT IS NOT SIMPLY LIVE FROM TRACTION STRAIGHT TO DASHBOARD, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP.
AND, AND THEN WE TALKED LAST WEEK THE BUDGET MEETINGS ABOUT CAMERAS.
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SOMETIMES IT BACKS UP TO YOUR PLACE, BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S FROM YEAH, FROM DOODLE BUG.
THAT'S A CERTAIN PLACE TO MEASURE FROM.
THEN THEY WOULD KNOW THAT THAT IS PART OF OUR PLAN.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, AS WE SIT HERE, I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS INTO UPTOWN THAT'S ON OUR CAMERA AT THE MOMENT.
SORRY, NOT EVERYBODY CAN SEE THIS.
AND, AND TO THAT, TO THAT POINT, IT IS, IT IS ULTIMATELY OUR PLAN TO GET THIS INFORMATION ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT THAT IS PROVEN TO BE ONE OF OUR BIGGEST OBSTACLES IN MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
UM, IT IS, IT IS A PART OF OUR PLAN THOUGH.
UM, AND BACK TO AN EARLIER POINT, THERE'S A COMPONENT TO THIS, IT'S CALLED TRACTION LIVE.
IT'S A PROPRIETARY, UH, SOFTWARE OF OF KIMLEY HORNS THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SHOWING JUST A MOMENT AGO THAT THAT DOES HAVE LIVE DATA.
SO I CAN PULL THAT UP AND KNOW RIGHT NOW YOU CAN, BUT WHAT TRAVEL TIME IS RIGHT, BUT WE CAN'T, IT'S THE PUBLIC.
UM, FOR, I MEAN A SNAPSHOT FROM THE VIDEO COMPARE ALONG WITH A SNAPSHOT OF TRAVEL TIME IS, IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
THAT'S THE KIND OF DATA THAT YOU SEE ON THE DIGITAL SIGNS THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, TO SEDONA THIS MANY MINUTES 1 79, THAT THAT COMES FROM THIS SAME KIND OF DATA.
UM, ONE ONE MORE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO THROW OUT REAL QUICKLY IS WHAT I'M FINDING REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT IN 2017 WHEN WE STARTED PREPARING THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, WHICH WE COMPLETED IN 2018, WE STARTED COLLECTING, UH, TRAVEL TIME DATA WITH TRACTION.
AND THIS WAS A, ANDREW CAN TELL YOU A LOT MORE ABOUT IT, BUT IT WAS A VERY NEW PROGRAM FOR KIMLEY HORN.
BUT TODAY IT'S SOMETHING THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE MODELED AFTER WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IN SEDONA AND IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE DOING ACROSS THE NATION NOW AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
WE'RE THAT STARTED WITH TRACTION AND NOW WE'RE RUNNING THEIR ENTIRE TRAFFIC SIGNAL PROGRAM MONITORING TRAFFIC AND IT'S ALL THROUGH OUR SOFTWARE TEAM THAT'S ALL RUNS THROUGH KIND OF OUR DATABASE AND NOT LIKE WHEN YOU WOULD SEE AT A CITY WHEN YOU GO TO LIKE THEIR, THEIR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS SET WHERE THEY HAVE ALL THE SCREENS THERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE SET UP.
BUT YES, IT WAS, SEDONA WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PILOT PROGRAMS FOR OUR KIND OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT TEAM ON THIS SOFTWARE AND IT HAS SINCE GROWN.
SO THAT KINDA GOES BACK TO WITH ANYTHING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOW WE'RE SIX YEARS INTO IT.
I MEAN YOU'RE SIX YEARS INTO PRETTY STILL NEW TECHNOLOGY.
SO WE'RE ALWAYS KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THINGS.
IN FACT, I THINK EVERY YEAR WHEN WE KIND OF RE-UP THE, THE, THE AGREEMENT ON ANOTHER YEAR, THERE'S SOME NUANCES AND SOME TRAININGS AND SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO IT.
SO AS A MATTER OF FACT, THIS DASHBOARD PROGRAM, I BELIEVE IS GONNA BE THE FIRST IN THE NATION OF ITS KIND AND WILL LIKELY BE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES AFTER WE'RE COMPLETE.
THIS IS, AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS EVEN CHALLENGING FOR ME TO START TO NAVIGATE THIS BECAUSE AS WE BROUGHT THIS IDEA TO OUR SOFTWARE TEAM, UH, AND OUR DASHBOARD TEAM, IT WAS, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S POWER BI IS THE, IS THE, THE PLATFORM THAT WE USE.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN USED FOR THIS TYPE OF, OF DATA TRAVEL TIMES AND KIND OF ANALYSIS OF, OF AS PROJECTS COME ON AND COMPARISON YEAR OVER YEAR AND TOGGLING THROUGH MOST OF THE, I WON'T SAY MOST, BUT A LOT OF THE DASHBOARDS ARE MORE TYPICALLY JUST DATA PRESENTATIONS LIKE CRASH DATA, DID WE NDOT NEVADA DOT, DID THEY PUT IN THESE CERTAIN SAFETY IMPLEMENTATIONS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS? AND ARE THEY REALIZING THE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF SAFETY BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY COMPARING KIND OF DYNAMIC TYPE DATA THAT, THAT THIS IS.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF ITERATIONS.
IN FACT, WE'RE ON VERSION NINE RIGHT NOW THAT I'M PRESENTING, AND WE'LL PROBABLY ON VERSION 50 BEFORE WE
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WE'RE HERE.IT'S A VERY UNIQUE COMMUNITY WITH UNIQUE NEEDS AND THIS TYPE OF, UH, UM, PLATFORM IS, IS, IS WE THINK, IDEAL FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE AND PRESENT ULTIMATELY TO THE PUBLIC.
COUNCILOR COSTELLO HAS A QUESTION AND THEN COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON, IT'S A CRYSTAL BALL QUESTION.
JUST, AH, DO YOU HAVE A
SO, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TRAFFIC NERDS DO WE HAVE OUT THERE? I THINK WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF, OF, UH, SEAN'S GONNA GO ON IT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE, WELL HAD EITHER WAY.
WE, WE, WE DO HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF WHAT WE CALL SIDEWALK ENGINEERS, WHICH ARE PEOPLE THAT JUST WALK ALONG AND THEY ENGINEER WHAT WE DO, UM, REGARDLESS OF THEIR, UM, CREDENTIALS.
BUT I THINK THOSE FOLKS WILL CERTAINLY TIE INTO WHAT WE MAKE AVAILABLE, UM, WHETHER THEY UNDERSTAND IT OR NOT.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS HAVING A, A FULL VIEW OF THE NUMBER OF FOLKS, I WOULD THINK, BECAUSE I'M AN ENGINEER, I'M GONNA THINK OF, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT, BUT IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO GAUGE THAT.
WELL, THERE'D BE TIE IN, I GUESS WITH OUR, WITH TOURISM, YOU KNOW, AND THE MESSAGING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS AVAILABLE.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT AHEAD OF TIME, IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA AND, AND GOOD POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH OUR TOURISM, UM, FOLKS AND GIVING THEM THE INFORMATION SO THEY CAN USE IT, UM, IN THAT WAY, I, I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
YOU GOOD? KATHY? JESSICA? DID I MISS IT? DID YOU HAVE A, A PARTICIPATED ROLLOUT DATE TO THE PUBLIC AFTER THIS MEETING? WE HAVE A COUPLE CITIZENS WHO HAVE BEEN REQUESTING KIND OF TESTING IT ON THEIR END.
SO THAT'S THE PLAN IS TO SEND IT TO A SELECT FEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO, TO TRY IT OUT ALONG WITH CITY STAFF AND THEN KINDA GET INPUT THERE ON REALLY HOW USER FRIENDLY IT IS.
SO UNTIL, SO YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE, YOU'RE WORKING TOWARD THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T, I MEAN, MAKE SENSE? I'M NOT, YOU KNOW.
I'M, I'M GONNA MAKE A BOLD, UM, GOAL RIGHT HERE ON THIS SPOT.
I CAN, I CAN HIT GO LIVE AT ANY TIME.
IF YOU SAY RIGHT NOW BY OUR NEXT QUARTERLY MEETING, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE.
UH, I THINK THIS WILL BE VERY WELL RECEIVED BY THE PUBLIC.
I OFTENTIMES SEE COMPLAINTS OVER SOCIAL MEDIA, OVER NOT KNOWING WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FACE WHEN THEY HEAD OUT IN THEIR AUTOMOBILES, AND EVEN PEOPLE PUTTING SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS OUT SAYING, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DRIVE LIKE RIGHT NOW FROM THE VILLAGE INTO TOWN? AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK THIS WILL BE VERY WELL RECEIVED.
AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WHEN WE'RE HAVING ONE OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE, UH, ARE ALL THANKING THE PARTICIPANTS AND, UH, NOT JUST AT THE END, BUT ALSO FOR BEING HERE.
SO, FIRST OFF, I JUST DO WANNA SAY, ANDREW, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
THANKS FOR LETTING SEDONA BE A GUINEA PIG.
UH, I THINK I, I CERTAINLY AM VERY INTERESTED TO SEE SEDONA CONTINUE TO BE A GUINEA PIG ON OPPORTUNITIES TO TRY OUT NEW TECHNOLOGY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOR KURT, ANDY AND, AND STAFF, I MEAN, IT'S THANKLESS AT TIMES FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST HEADACHE FOR EVERYBODY THAT LIVES HERE.
AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NEVER FAST ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, QUICK ENOUGH, SUCCESSFUL ENOUGH.
AND, UH, SO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO PLOW FORWARD AND WHAT FEELS LIKE PROBABLY AN UPHILL BATTLE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
SO, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR, ANNETTE, ANDY, THIS MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD LEAK OF CITIES AND TOWNS PANEL PROGRAM, IF NOT THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR.
'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF ARIZONA CITIES AND TOWNS WOULD BE INTERESTED.
I I MEAN, I, I SAID THIS IN, I THINK OUR LAST MEETING.
IT'S, IT'S DRAWN THE INTENTION OF OUR ENTIRE FIRM, HONESTLY.
AND SO WE'VE GOT, I I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THE VISITOR DATA, BUT WE'VE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT.
WE HAD TO GET A CUSTOMIZABLE STREETLIGHT PROGRAM TO DO IT BECAUSE THE VISITOR DATA WAS SO NUANCED.
AND SO WE HAVE STREETLIGHT'S, ORIGIN DESTINATION, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY A SUBSCRIPTION TO IT.
AND WHEN WE TALKED TO THE STREETLIGHT
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VENDORS, THEY FOUND IT SUCH A UNIQUE PROGRAM THAT WE HAD TO SET UP CUSTOMIZED GEOFENCING AND CUSTOMIZED TIMES TO PULL THE DATA, TRULY UNDERSTAND IT.UM, THAT WAS SOMEONE OUTTA KANSAS CITY THAT WAS WORKING ON IT.
WE'VE GOT OUR VIS MODELER THAT'S WORKING OUTTA BALTIMORE, THAT'S PUTTING ALL THIS PROGRAM TOGETHER.
I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, FOR ME AND US, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, VERY UNIQUE CHALLENGE, BUT IT HAS DRAWN INTEREST IN ENGINEERS ACROSS THE ENTIRE FIRM TO TRY AND NOT NECESSARILY SOLVE THE PROBLEM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ENGINEERS, BUT TO UNDERSTAND IT AND TRY AND KIND OF IMPLEMENT DIFFERENT STRATEGIES AND IDEAS TO OBVIOUSLY, UM, IMPLEMENT THE SIM PROGRAM.
SO I, COUNCILLOR FOLTZ, I APPRECIATE THE THANKS, BUT IT'S MORE ON US.
WE THANK, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY 'CAUSE IT IS A REALLY COOL PROJECT TO WORK ON.
I COULD DEFINITELY SEE THIS AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CONFERENCES BEING PRESENTED AND YEAH, PROBABLY AWARDED BEFORE IT'S ALL OVER, SO, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU SHOULD BE PAYING US
SO JUST A QUICK, I'LL TALK TO OUR PRESIDENT AND SEE WHAT HE THINKS.
QUICK QUESTION ABOUT WHO OWNS THIS DASHBOARD.
WE DO OR YOU DO? UM, RIGHT NOW YOU DO.
AT LEAST THE DATA, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
NOT THE, BECAUSE WE'VE LEARNED IN THE PAST, WE WANT THINGS WE FUND WE'D LIKE TO OWN.
AND I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS, UM, AS, AS STAFF SIMILAR TO TRACTION, LIKE WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT OUT, THERE WERE TRAININGS TO WORK THROUGH IT.
ULTIMATELY THERE'S DISCUSSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD SEDONA BE INPUTTING THE DATA IF PROPERLY TRAINED TO DO SO? AND THEN ARE, ARE YOU ULTIMATELY MANAGING THE DASHBOARD? SO CERTAINLY THERE WILL BE A POINT WHERE THERE PROBABLY IS NEVER GONNA BE A FULL TURNOVER, TURNOVER TO THE CITY.
'CAUSE WE'LL, WE'LL STILL NEED TO MANAGE IT IN TERMS OF ULTIMATELY AS THINGS, AS THINGS CHANGE.
BUT YEAH, YOU ULTIMATELY OWN IT.
YEAH, TO THAT POINT, I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA BE CLOUD-BASED SOFTWARE, OR IS CLOUD-BASED SOFTWARE? MM-HMM.
YEAH, SO, SO THE NOTION OF OWNING IT REALLY ISN'T PARTICULARLY RELEVANT, SO, OKAY, GREAT.
JUST WANNA BE SURE IT'S NOT LIKE ANOTHER WEBSITE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
UH, ANDREW CAN, UH, CONTINUE ON.
OKAY, SO NOW I FEEL BAD, IT'S LIKE ANOTHER COMPARISON FROM, UH, BELL ROCK TO THE Y SO MAYBE I SHOULD JUST SKIP THIS ONE.
UH, BUT THIS AGAIN, ANOTHER, THIS IS SHOWING, UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF APRIL.
SO FROM AP, UH, EARLY APRIL 23 TO MID-APRIL 23.
AND SAME COMPARISON, THIS ONE WAS A, A DRASTIC CHANGE IN TERMS OF FRIDAY, SATURDAY OF 24 AND 20, UH, DOWN TO 19 AND 15.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 25%, ALMOST 30%, UH, REDUCTION IN THAT STRETCH.
NOW, AGAIN, IF WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE FREE FLOW ALL THE WAY TO DOODLEBUG AND THEN WE'RE LOCKED IN, THEN MAYBE WE'RE ONLY REALIZING 15% IF WE WERE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT A SMALLER SEGMENT.
BUT I THINK AGAIN, AS JUST A, A SNAPSHOT IN TIME, UH, BETWEEN YEAR OVER YEAR, THERE IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
THIS, AND THIS IS JUST FROM THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENT.
SO THIS GOES TO THE, WE'RE PULLING TRAFFIC OUT OF THE Y AND WE'RE ENABLING NORTHBOUND, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING NORTHBOUND AND CONTINUING NORTH UPTOWN, OR THEY'RE GOING WEST ON 89 A, UH, THERE IS, THERE'S AN IMPROVEMENT IN TRAVEL TIME FOR THIS, THIS SEGMENT.
AND, AND THEN THIS ONE IS, IS TALKING ABOUT AGAIN, THE Y WE'RE LOOKING AT AIRPORT ROAD TO CANYON DRIVE AND SEEING IMPROVEMENTS THERE JUST ON SUNDAY AND FRIDAY.
BUT THEN SATURDAY WE SEE, UM, AN INCREASE IN TRAVEL TIME.
SO THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO AGAIN, LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA COME HERE AND JUST SAY LIKE, EVERYTHING'S IMPROVED.
LIKE THERE ARE GONNA BE CERTAIN BLIPS IN THE DATA, THERE'S GONNA BE DAYS WHERE WE'RE GONNA SEE, UM, THAT IT'S IMPROVED DRASTICALLY OR WE'RE GONNA SEE WHERE A SATURDAY COMPARISON BETWEEN MARCHES, UH, SEES ACTUALLY INCREASE.
BUT AGAIN, THEN WE CAN DIVE INTO IT.
AND SORRY, COUNSELOR, WE CAN DIVE INTO IT AND SEE THERE'S CONSTRUCTION GOING ALONG RIGHT NOW ALONG, UM, 89 A WITH THE FOREST IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION ON 1 79 AND WE HAVE EVENTS IN UPTOWN.
SO THEN YOU CAN KINDA ISOLATE THAT AND SEE, UM, WERE WE REALLY SEEING AN OVERALL IMPROVEMENT OR JUST OUR SATURDAYS WE WEREN'T IMPROVING BECAUSE OF EVENTS IN MARCH.
SO THE SIDEWALK ENGINEER HERE WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT SINCE YOU ARE CROSSING ALAK, WHETHER OR NOT THERE HAPPENS TO BE A TCA OUT THERE OR NOT RIGHT.
CAN HAVE AN ENORMOUS EFFECT AS WELL.
ESPECIALLY ON THE OBSERVATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
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THERE ARE, WITHIN THIS, THERE'S, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY A MILLION DIFFERENT SCENARIOS YOU CAN KIND OF PLAY WITH IN TERMS OF COMPARISONS.I'M JUST PICKING VERY SPECIFIC ROUTES AND VERY SPECIFIC TIMEFRAMES.
BUT, UM, YES, WE COULD, YOU COULD DIVE IN AND FIND THAT AND, AND LOOK INTO, SAY TCA WAS OPERATING THIS WAY ON THIS DAY, IF WE TALKED TO STAFF AND WE CAN GO, OKAY, THAT KIND OF, THAT EXPLAINS THAT, THAT SCENARIO.
WOULD IT ALSO BE ABLE TO TELL IT, TSA WORKING, IF THE TRAFFIC IS NOT REALLY, UH, AT THE CROSSWALK OR THE TRAFFIC IS AT THE Y OR THE TRAFFIC'S BEING CAUSED BY UPTOWN, DO YOU BE ABLE TO PINPOINT THE CAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC MORE SPECIFICALLY THAN WHAT WE CAN DO NOW? THAT WOULD COINCIDE WITH, UM, BREAKING DOWN ROUTES INTO MORE SMALLER SEGMENTS AND THEN ALSO CAMERAS THAT YOU COULD, THEY COULD GO AND COINCIDE WITH.
I'M SEEING THIS LONGER TRAVEL TIME.
I PULL A CAMERA HERE AND I CAN SEE THAT, UM, EITHER THE TCA IS NOT NECESSARILY OPERATING HOW IT WAS MEANT TO BE, OR WE'RE SEEING A CHANGE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S A QUESTION OF WHAT TCAS CAUSING IT TO, WHETHER IT'S THE CROSSWALK CAUSING IT, THE Y THERE'S ALWAYS A QUESTION OF WHERE IS IT BEING CAUSED? AND SOME PEOPLE, IF YOU ONLY, IF YOU STAY THERE AND WATCH IT, IF YOU HAVE A CAMERA, YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE IT.
AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS, JUST AS A REMINDER, YOU KNOW, THAT IS VERY IMPACTFUL TO NORTHBOUND TRAVEL TIME IS THE LEFT TURNS IN THE SIBLEY HILL ROUNDABOUT.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU STAND THERE AND OBSERVE, THAT'S AS ANDREW'S SAYING, THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS WATCH THE VIDEO TO SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE THERE LONG ENOUGH AND YOU SEE THAT THAT ROUNDABOUT ACTUALLY LOCKS UP, IT IMPACTS THE, THE IMPACT STARTS TO STACK UP AND THEN THE, THE CLOG GETS FREED, THEN YOU PASS THROUGH AND YOU'RE NOT SEEING WHAT ACTUALLY CAUSED THE FRICTION OR THE, OR THE, UM, THE CONGESTION.
UH, SO FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK AND KIND NAVIGATE THE LIVE DASHBOARD, OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MOVE ON TO SOME OF THE VIS VIDEOS? AND SO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE WHY, WHAT'S, YEAH, I THINK WE COULD MOVE ON.
LIKE, WE'VE DONE THE, THE DASHBOARD WE HAVE UNTIL FIVE, POSSIBLY SIX O'CLOCK FOR A FOUR HOUR MEETING.
IF WE CAN PUT UP WITH THAT AS OPPOSED TO SEVEN HOUR MEETINGS, IT'LL STILL BE A SHORT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT TO COVER AND WE ONLY HAVE A, A WINDOW.
I'M THANKFUL YOU'RE GONNA CALL MY BLUFF AND SHOW YOU THAT I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO OPERATE THE PROGRAM.
SO, SO THANK YOU MAYOR JAB FOR, I ALSO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS IS AN OPPORTUNE MOMENT THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.
NOW AS ALL OF THESE SIM PROJECTS ARE COMING TO COMPLETION, WE'RE GONNA FINISH THE PEACOCK, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, YOU KNOW, BY JULY.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE FOREST ROAD.
SO WE FIGURED THIS WILL BE A REAL GOOD IN TRANSITION OF SHOWING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HOLISTICALLY AS A OVERVIEW.
SO MAYOR, NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK ABOUT THE WHY.
I'LL JUST, I KNOW THIS IS THE ONE I SHOWED LAST TIME, THAT'S REALLY CHALLENGING TO SEE, BUT IT IS, THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS A COMPARISON BETWEEN EXISTING TRAFFIC IN 2021 AND IMPROVEMENTS TO UPTOWN NORTHBOUND.
AND THE BIG THING, AND I'LL, I HAVE OTHER ZOOMED IN VIDEOS, IS THE, THE ADDED QUEUING SPACE WITHIN THIS THROUGH LANE TO FREE UP THE Y AND ALLOW THESE DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS TO ACTUALLY GET THROUGH.
YOU SEE HERE AT ONE 30, AS WE ALL REALIZE, WE'RE ALREADY STACKING UP COOKS HILL.
AND THAT IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC THAT IS ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH JORDAN.
UM, JUST ADDING THIS ADDITIONAL STORAGE FREES UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF TRAFFIC THROUGH, THROUGH THE Y WHICH IS WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE, THE NUMBER ONE GOALS WAS KIND OF FREE UP THAT CONGESTION WITH SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT ANDREW, SOMETHING THAT I TALKED WITH ANGIE, UH, ANDY AND ANNETTE ABOUT THE OTHER DAY, IS THE LEGS OF THE ROUNDABOUTS, WHEN THEY GET BOGGED DOWN, IT CAUSES A PROBLEM FOR NORTHBOUND 1 79.
THEY CAN'T GET UP AND GET OUT.
AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL SHOULD KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S A 10 YEAR PLAN, HOPEFULLY WITH, WE CAN KEEP IT WITHIN 10 YEARS.
THE PEOPLE ON 1 79 GOING NORTH, THE RESIDENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR NEED SOME RELIEF NOW.
RIGHT? AND WE NEED TO SEE SOMETHING SHORT RANGE TEMPORARY.
AND WE WERE DISCUSSING HAVING ACTUAL, UH, EITHER, UH, TCAS MM-HMM,
BUT DURING SPRING BREAK, DURING MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, DURING 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND, WE TEND TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA
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HAVE THAT TRAFFIC.AND YOU KNOW, FROM, I DUNNO, FIVE YEARS AGO WE STARTED SIX YEARS AGO, IT'S DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED.
BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL FO MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TAKING NUMBERS, UH, YOU KNOW, CLOSER IN AS OPPOSED TO BELL ROCK.
THIS PAST SATURDAY, UH, I HAD TO GO TO AN EVENT IN FLAGSTAFF AND FOR NO REASON, EXCEPT VOLUME, I WAS BACKED UP FROM CHAPEL ROAD.
IT TOOK ME CLOSE TO 40 MINUTES AND I'M DRIVING THROUGH IT AND IT WAS THE LEGS GETTING BOUND UP.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY OF WHAT SHORT RANGE PLAN, UH, CAN BE, CAN BE WORKED ON.
UH, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS, ESPECIALLY WE HAVE 4TH OF JULY COMING.
WE HAVE, WE'VE JUST FINISHED SPRING BREAK, BUT ALONG WITH JUST BEFORE SPRING BREAK WE HAD THE NORTHBOUND CONSTRUCTION.
AND I MEAN, ALL BETS ARE OFF DURING CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE, I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED A LOT OF PHONE CALLS DURING THAT CONSTRUCTION AND THAT YOU HAVE TO DO CONSTRUCTION WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT.
ESPECIALLY, IT CAN'T BE FROZEN FOR BLACKTOP.
WE NEED TO SEE SOMETHING, WE NEED A PRESENCE OUT THERE.
SO WHAT DO YOU GOT FROM THE END? SO WHAT ANNETTE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS, IS GETTING PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE TOGETHER TO LOOK AT A PLAN THAT WE COULD PUT IN ACTION DURING THIS INTERIM TIME BETWEEN THE TCAS POSSIBLY AND THE POLICE STAFF.
UM, AT LEAST DOING A CON UH, COORDINATED APPROACH TO SOME LEVEL OF RELIEF.
UM, LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO.
'CAUSE THE FIRST THING THAT WE NEED TO ANALYZE IS IF WE PUT IN ACTION CERTAIN THINGS, WHAT WILL THE IMPACT OF THAT BE? MM-HMM.
SO WE WILL COMMIT TO WORKING BETWEEN THE STAFF AND COMING UP WITH A PLAN.
AND, AND THEN THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS, IS WE DO HAVE A CAP, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
WE HAVE A PROJECT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PROGRAM THAT WILL LOOK AT METERING, UH, THROUGH SIGNALS, THE LEGS THAT, UM, ARE ON THE Y ROUNDABOUT AND THE INTENT OF THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH ADOT AS YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE, UM, CONCEPT OF THIS PROJECT.
AND THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH LOOKING AT THAT AND POTENTIALLY BEING EVEN HELPING FUND THAT PROJECT.
UM, AND WE'VE EVEN TALKED WITH KIMLEY HORN, UM, AT A, AT A CONCEPT LEVEL ON, ON WHAT THAT PROJECT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO MAKE THE WHY OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY BY, UH, RESTRICTING THE LEGS OF THE INTERSECTION THAT ARE CLOGGING UP THE OPERATION OF THE INTERSECTION.
AND I, I'M, LIKE YOU SAID, I'M AWARE OF IT.
UH, THE VICE MAYOR'S AWARE OF IT.
I THINK THAT'LL BE A, A GREAT ANSWER.
BUT THAT'S AT LEAST TWO YEARS OUT.
WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A PLAN.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, AND THERE WAS NO PLAN THAT I, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO HEAR ABOUT.
SO IF, WHEN YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH A PLAN, UH, WHEN DO YOU, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT'LL TAKE TO GET THAT PLAN IN PLACE? I, I DO KNOW THAT PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE HAVE DISCUSSED OPERATIONS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL IN THE PAST, BUT AS FAR AS A PLAN, I'M NOT AWARE OF A PLAN WITH I FROM THE PAST OPERATIONS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BEST I COULD SAY RIGHT NOW IS, UH, CERTAINLY BY THE NEXT QUARTERLY MEETING WE COULD HAVE IT BY THEN.
AND WILL YOU BE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AT THE INTERSECTION TO HELP? BECAUSE AGAIN, LAST BUDGET CYCLE, I TALKED ABOUT HAVING ONE OFFICER ACTUALLY, UH, SERGEANT LEON THERE, AND JUST ONE OFFICER WAS FOR ONE DAY HELPED MOVE THAT TRAFFIC INCREMENTALLY, BUT IT, IT, IT STILL WAS A GOOD SHOW TO THE PUBLIC AND IT DID.
PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY CONTACTING US AND SAYING, I ACTUALLY SAW A POLICE OFFICER THERE.
WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY DISCUSS ALL OPTIONS BETWEEN THE TWO DEPARTMENTS.
UM, I, I CAN'T COMMIT TO WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.
WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY PURSUE THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE THE BUDGET CYCLE BECAUSE MAYBE IT NEEDS MORE FUNDING THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE DURING THE BUDGET.
SO WHETHER IT'S MANPOWER OVERTIME OR WHATEVER, BUT EVERYTHING'S ON THE TABLE AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING.
THOSE OF US WHO LIVE ON THE, UH, ONCE EVERY NIGHT CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET STUCK IN THAT FOUR TIMES A DAY.
SO BRIAN, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? SURE.
I, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, THE MAYOR LOOKING FOR
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SOME IDEAS BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, FINALIZE OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR IN THE EVENT THAT THERE WOULD BE A REQUEST FOR MORE TCA FUNDING OR POLICE FUNDING.UH, I THINK WHATEVER WE CAN DO REASONABLY IS WORTHWHILE, EVEN IF IT'S EXTENDING HOURS, UH, THAT WE HAVE TCAS PRESENT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
SO ANYTHING PRACTICAL MAKES, UH, I, I'D LOVE TO, TO SEE PERSONALLY.
AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL HAVE AN UH, ANDREW MOVE.
WELL, AND, AND JUST TO GO BACK, I MEAN, THESE ARE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THE ADDED LANE DOWNSTREAM OF THE Y ONCE IT'S SHAMELESS PLUG, ONCE WE ZIP REEMERGE AND WE START GETTING THAT OUT, THAT I SAW THE NEW SIGNS VERY NICE, DIFFERENT ME HAPPY, ALWAYS LOOKING FOR DECORATION FOR MY WATER BOTTLE, AND I'M PLEASED TO HAVE SOMETHING, BUT THAT HELPS FREE UP TRAFFIC OUTTA THE Y
AND THEN, AND THEN ONCE THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION IS COMPLETE, WHICH I KNOW IS STILL A WAYS OUT, BUT THAT ANY AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT CAN BE REROUTED AND NOT GO INTO THE Y WILL ULTIMATELY FREE UP NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC ON 1 79.
WELL, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A LONG RANGE PLAN BECAUSE I KNOW ALL THESE THINGS ARE THE LONG RANGE PLAN.
I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO UNTIL THIS RIGHT LIGHTING SYSTEM CAN GO INTO PLACE, I THINK.
BUT FOREST STANDING, THAT WOULD BE HUGE.
THE COMPLETION OF FOREST ROAD WILL, WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IN THE Y WHICH IN TURN WILL HELP TRAVEL TIMES NORTHBOUND 1 79 AND SOUTHBOUND SIMILAR TO THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE COMPLETED.
SO THOSE ARE AT LEAST NEAR TERM IN THE FACT THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THEY'RE EITHER COMPLETE OR NEAR COMPLETE.
BUT CERTAINLY THEY'RE, AND THOSE ARE THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED IN OUR REGULAR MEETINGS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS BROUGHT UP IS IF ALL THE WAY BACK SOUTHBOUND INITIALLY OPERATES SO AMAZINGLY THAT IN SOME CASES TRAFFIC GETS TO THE Y QUICKER AND CREATES THAT BOTTLENECK, THAT'S PROBLEM.
SO THOSE ARE THE METERING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
NOW YOU'VE GOT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY UPSTREAM THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO GET THERE THAT FAST.
SO NOW WE CAN METER THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT SECOND SOUTHBOUND LANE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
SO THE BEAUTY OF A LOT OF THIS IS AS WE'RE ADDING, I KNOW A LONG TIME AGO, SO YOU CAN'T WIDEN YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS, BUT NOW YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL LANE CAPACITY THAT IF EFFICIENTLY USED AND METERED, YOU CAN START TO FREE UP THAT PINCH POINT.
THAT IS THE Y AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THE CARS ARE COMING DOWN AND GETTING INTO THIS LIGHTING SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD HOLD THOSE CARS.
UH, AND UH, ANDY MENTIONED ABOUT THE AMP HILL ROUNDABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO.
THERE'S A, UH, PROPOSED, UH, HOTEL FOR THAT LOCATION AND I, WHAT DID YOU SAY? IT'S, UH, SERVICE F LEVEL F.
CURRENTLY THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, UH, FOR THE S HILL ROUNDABOUT DOES OPERATE AT LEVELS OF SERVICE F ON A FREQUENT BASIS.
SO, UM, HOW ARE YOU TAKING INTO ACCOUNT A PROPOSED HOTEL THERE AND MAYBE SOMETHING EVEN FURTHER UP NORTH ON, BECAUSE EXCUSE ME, THERE MIGHT BE A SECOND PROPOSAL SOMEDAY.
HOW WILL THAT, HOW IS IT PART OF THE, THE DASHBOARD DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? IT'S, IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT CURRENT TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, TRAVEL TIME DATA.
BUT, UH, WHAT'S IT, IT, SO, OH, I JUST WAS COMMENDING TO ANDY THAT, UH, I THINK THE DASHBOARD IS DIFFERENT THAN THE MODEL, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO YOUR TRAFFIC MODEL SHOULD BE INCORPORATING ALL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT, BUILD OUT ASSUMPTIONS.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE CERTAINLY COULD DO.
BUT RIGHT NOW THE MODEL JUST PROJECTS OUT BASED ON KIND OF A GROWTH FACTOR AND NOT NECESSARILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING ON BOARD.
THE TRAFFIC MODEL THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO PREPARE ACCOUNTS FOR THOSE, THOSE PROJECTIONS.
THEY HAVE TO DO IT AS PART OF THEIR, YEAH.
COUNCIL WILLIAMSON WAS, SHE HAD, SORRY, I I WAS JUST, WAIT, I WAS JUST RESTING MY HAND.
I THOUGHT THAT, I HEARD THAT THE DEVELOPERS FOR THAT OAK CREEK HERITAGE DISTRICT SAID THEY HAD BEEN WORKING WITH KIMBERLY HORN.
WOULD THAT BE YOU SPECIFICALLY ANDREW? UH, NO.
THAT IS, UH, AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY I THINK I REMEMBER MEETING HERE FOR THE ARABELLA PROJECT AND IMMEDIATELY DIDN'T WANT TO DO PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ANYMORE.
AND SO THAT HAS BEEN OFFLOADED TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO DOES TS IN OUR TRAFFIC GROUP IN PHOENIX, THANKFULLY.
SO YES, THEY'RE STILL WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN, BUT NOT OUR GROUP THAT IS WORKING ON THE MODEL TO KINDA KEEP THAT, THAT SEPARATION.
SO AT SOME POINT YOU COULD ADD THAT THEY HAVE TO, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT TRIP GENERATIONS AND IMPACTS OBVIOUSLY THE HIGHWAY.
YOU COULD TAKE THOSE TRIPS AND PLUG 'EM RIGHT INTO THIS MODEL AND VISUALLY SEE WHAT A GRIDLOCKED ROUNDABOUT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE CONTEMPLATED A WHILE AGO, AND
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IT, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO.OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE DATA 'CAUSE IT CAME FROM OUR OFFICE, BUT, UM, BUT EITHER WAY AN F'S AND F IT'S JUST A WORSE F SO, SO I SEE STEVE HIDING BEHIND THERE.
I MEAN, STEVE AND THEIR, WOULDN'T THAT BE INTERESTING AS PART OF A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF REPORT TO HAVE SOME OF THIS INCLUDED? IT, IT WOULD BE A PART OF THE TOTAL REVIEW.
SO WHEN WE DO OUR REVIEW FROM THE ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ONE OF OUR COMMENTS WAS TO LOOK AT THE VIM AND THE IMPACT ON IT, UH, DUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT MY FINGERTIPS TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHETHER THAT WAS DONE OR NOT OR WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
AND I DOUBT ANDREW WOULD KNOW.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE HE WASN'T INVOLVED
NO, BUT MY STAFF DID AND WE LOOKED AT THAT SPECIFICALLY AND WHAT THAT WAS PART OF THE MITIGATION FOR THEM TO HAVE THEIR OWN VALET SHUTTLE SERVICE DURING THOSE TIMES SIM TO REDUCE THOSE TRIP GENERATIONS.
I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THAT, JESSICA? I'M SORRY.
I, I FEEL THAT WE'RE SORT OF GETTING OFF ON A, ON A SORT OF A TANGENT TO, TO WHAT? TO THIS, THE SIM UPDATE.
UM, I THINK THE USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY FOR EVALUATING FUTURE PROJECTS IS AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AT SOME TIME.
BUT, UM, I WAS, I THINK, I THINK IT IS PART OF SIM BECAUSE YOU DO, YES, I DO.
IT'S ALL PART OF THE SIM FOR THE DASHBOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MOVE ON, BUT IT IS PART OF SIM SURE, THANK YOU.
IT'S THE DASHBOARD CERTAINLY IS PART OF SIM.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK OBVIOUSLY TO ANDY'S POINT IS THERE'S, THERE'S INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR TRIPS AND WE HAVE AN OVERALL MODEL.
SO AT SOME POINT, WHETHER THE PRIVATE GROUP IS KIND OF USING THE VISTA MODEL AND MERGING THEIR DATA OR THEY'RE SENDING IT TO US EITHER WAY, THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
SO, AND THEN, AND RUN THAT FAIRLY EASILY.
SO HAVE WE BEATEN THE, THE WHY TO DEATH SO FAR? NO, NO.
UM, WE HAVE TO SIX, THESE ARE JUST, THESE ARE JUST ZOOM INS, SO WE DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY SWIM 'CAUSE WE'VE KIND OF, AGAIN, DISCUSSED JUST, THIS IS EXISTING CONDITION WHERE WE'RE FOCUSED ON NORTHBOUND AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE JUST USING THE ONE LANE.
AND THEN IN THE 2024 MODEL, WE'RE ACTUALLY UTILIZING THE SECOND THROUGH LANE PROVIDED, AGAIN, WE'RE EDUCATING TRAVELERS ON HOW TO PROPERLY MERGE, BUT IT DOES FREE UP A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THE Y SO I BELIEVE KURT'S PLANNING TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT MERGE CONDITION LATER AFTER ANDREW'S PORTION.
SPEAKING OF VOICEMAIL, THAT'S IT.
UH, AND SO DO YOU WANT ME TO CHAT ABOUT IT OR, OKAY.
UH, SO YES, WE, THIS WAS THE INTENT OF THIS ENTIRE, UM, DESIGN AND STRIPING EXERCISE AND SIGNAGE WAS THE ZIP EMERGE.
AND I THINK, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE PROBABLY DISCUSSED THIS MAYBE IN MEETINGS I WASN'T IN, SO FORGIVE ME.
BUT THE TENDENCY IS YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE BEING A POLITE DRIVER IF WHEN YOU SEE THAT SIGN, YOU IMMEDIATELY START MERGING.
WHETHER THAT'S SLOWING DOWN IN THAT THROUGH LANE OR WHETHER THAT'S MERGING IMMEDIATELY.
AND THEN IT'S PERCEIVED THAT THE PERSON THAT IS ACTUALLY DRIVING IN THAT LANE TO GO TO THE HEAD OF THE MERGE IS, UM, NOT FOLLOWING WHAT IS AS KIND DRIVING HABITS.
WHEN IN FACT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
THE GOAL IS TO ACTUALLY, AGAIN, UTILIZE OUR AVAILABLE LANE CAPACITY TO ITS MOST EFFICIENT.
SIMILAR TO THIS COMES FROM REALLY KIND OF WORK ZONES WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE SIGNS UP.
THAT'S, THAT'S TELLING YOU THE LANE'S GONNA END BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THOSE LANES TO THE LAST POSSIBLE MINUTE AND ACTUALLY MERGE LIKE A ZIPPER START TO ALTERNATE.
SIMILAR TO THE OPPOSITE, WHEN YOU'RE METERING FREEWAYS IN P IN RUSH HOUR, YOU HAVE THE GREENS OPT GO HAND IN HAND.
SO YOU CAN HAVE CARS GO IN LINE AND ACTUALLY EFFICIENTLY OFFLOAD THAT RAMP.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A SHOT FROM THE NEW SIGN THAT WENT UP.
WE'VE GOT THESE LOVELY STICKERS, WHICH I'M GONNA TAKE 50 OF THEM 'CAUSE THEY'RE AWESOME.
UM, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A CERTAIN EDUCATION COMPONENT HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, CONVEYED TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC, BUT ALSO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SIGNAGE TO HELP IN REAL TIME EDUCATE
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THEM AS THEY'RE APPROACHING THIS.AND AS I WAS TALKING TO COUNCILOR FURMAN BEFORE THE MEETING, UH, WE DID NOTICE THAT OBVIOUSLY ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION WAS COMPLETED AND IT OPENED UP, UM, IT WAS NOT BEING USED EFFICIENTLY.
THEY WERE USED TO THE OLD WAY.
SO THEY WERE JUST LIKE, I GOTTA GET OVER.
I'VE GOT THIS WEIRD LEFT TURN I'M APPROACHING 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M USED TO.
SO I'M GONNA JUST STACK ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH THE YI HAVE SEEN, IN FACT, EVEN TODAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PEAK HOUR, I DID SEE PEOPLE STARTING TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE BOTH THOSE LANES AS THEY APPROACH.
AND IN SOME CASES WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS SOMEONE THAT JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACKS ANOTHER, IF THERE'S KIND OF THE, THE PILOT CAR THAT IS MERGING 400 FEET UPSTREAM OF WHERE THE LANE ACTUALLY ENDS, EVERYBODY ELSE GONNA FOLLOW SUIT.
THEN YOU GOT THE ROGUE TRAVELER THAT ACTUALLY USE THAT LANE EFFECTIVELY AND EVERYBODY FOLLOWS 'EM.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF A, A SYSTEMATIC, UM, UH, KIND OF FLUCTUATION IN TERMS OF HOW TRAFFIC'S ACTUALLY NAVIGATING THIS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'LL JUST JUMP IN.
THAT HAPPENED TO ME AT LUNCH TODAY, SO AHEAD OF ME.
THERE WAS NO ZIPPER MERGERS AND I, I WAS THE LEADER AND JUMPED OUT THERE AND UTILIZED THAT SECOND LANE.
AND IT WAS A BIG SURPRISE THAT IN MY REAR VIEW MIRROR, THERE WERE PEOPLE FOLLOWING ME.
SO WHAT, WHAT I'VE, I WATCH THE VIDEO PRETTY OFTEN.
ACTUALLY, WHAT I'M FINDING IS THAT WHEN CONGESTION GETS TO A WORSE CONDITION, PEOPLE START TO ZIP REMERGE.
I I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF THEY'RE SEEING THE BACKUP AND NOW THEY'RE FINALLY FOLLOWING SUIT.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY FREQUENT THEN WHEN THAT WIND CONGESTION IS NOT, UM, THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT DOING THE ZIPPER MERGE.
UM, SO I, I THINK YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE WILL SEE IT NOT HAPPENING OUT THERE, BUT HOPEFULLY WHEN IT'S NECESSARY AND NEEDED, THEN IT IS HAPPENING.
SO I'M GONNA EXERCISE MY SIDEWALK
I'VE BEEN DRIVING FOR HOW LONG.
GRAND CANYON UNIVERSITY, I THINK GAVE ME A DEGREE IN TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.
UM, WHEN YOU HAD THAT SIGN PUT UP, I GET THAT SIGN AND I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, BUT IT AS AN ACTUALLY TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.
SO IS THERE A STAY IN YOUR LANE TILL THE ZIPPER MERGE? NO LANE BLOCKING, I MEAN MORE EXPLICIT BEHAVIORAL SIGNS THAT ARE YES SIR.
WE, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO PAVEMENT MARKINGS THAT ARE GONNA, UM, COME OUT AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT RECENTLY, UM, WHEN THE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY COMPLETED.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT TEMPORARILY AS WELL.
UM, IT'S GONNA SHOW THE ZIPPER MERGE.
WE'RE GOING TO TURN, UM, SOME OF THOSE LEFT HAND TURN ARROWS.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'VE ALREADY OBL THOSE.
IT'S ALL THESE CUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE BEHA, UH, DRIVER BEHAVIOR.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE TIME ON THIS, IS THAT WE ANTICIPATE WITHIN OUR DESIGN, WE COME OUT AND IMPLEMENT THE PROJECT AND THEN THE DRIVER BEHAVIOR IS SOMETHING ELSE.
SO YES, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND SIGNS.
WE'RE GONNA ADD A NO U-TURN AT THE FOUR SECTIONS.
THERE'S A HOST OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
UM, AS THIS PROJECT'S COMPLETES AND RECALL, WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, UPGRADE THIS HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE AT FOREST AS WELL.
SO THAT USES, UM, A INTELLIGENT, UH, VIDEO THAT I CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE CUES.
AND AS AN, UM, ANDREW JUST WAS MENTIONING OF THE PHASING OF THE LIGHT AND SO ON.
THESE ARE ALL INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE NOT YET IMPLEMENTED YET.
'CAUSE WE'RE ONLY AT SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.
SO JUST TO KIND OF EXPAND ON THAT, THIS SIGN IS REQUIRED.
THIS HAS TO BE 250 FEET FROM THE ACTUAL MERGER THAT'S REQUIRED BY M-U-T-C-D.
THERE'S ANOTHER SIGN THAT'S A ANOTHER CAUTION SIGN THAT'S OPTIONAL.
THAT WAS THE MERGE AHEAD WHERE THAT ONE'S GONE AND NOW BEEN REPLACED BY THE ZIPPER MERGE.
AND AGAIN, INTUITION SAYS, ONCE YOU SEE THAT I NEED TO GET OVER AND YOU START TO THINK THAT YOU SLOW DOWN.
SO WE ARE NOW DOWN TO REQUIRED SIGNAGE IN THIS CASE, WHICH IS THIS MERGE SIGN HERE.
YOU ARE NOT, THESE ARROWS ARE NOT REQUIRED.
SO WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF THESE ARROWS TO THEN AGAIN, I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON, WE'VE ALL DRIVEN IN SOME CASES WHERE YOU FOCUS ON THE ROAD AND YOU SEE IT AND YOU GET OVER OR YOU SEE A SIGN, YOU GET OVER.
BUT EITHER WAY, WE'VE ELIMINATED SOME OF THE REDUNDANCY THAT'S TYPICALLY USED FOR ADVANCED SIGNAGE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE EXCEEDING REQUIREMENTS.
IN THIS CASE, WE ARE GOING TO BE MEETING M-U-T-C-D REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO PROMOTE EFFICIENCY.
AND SO IN THAT CASE, THOSE CHANGES ARE COMING, BUT WE'RE STILL OPERATING WITHIN, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF SIGNING AND MARKING.
SO CONTINUING ON THAT TOPIC THEN.
SO ARE YOU REQUIRED TO SAY THAT LIKE THE, THE SYMBOL I SEE THE SIGNAGE I SEE IS, IS THAT LEFT LANE HAS TO MERGE TO RIGHT.
AND TO ME, THAT'S ALSO PART OF YOUR CHALLENGE, RIGHT? ARE YOU REQUIRED TO
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SAY THAT ONE LANE MERGES TO THE OTHER AS OPPOSED TO JUST SIMPLY MERGE AHEAD AND JUST KEEP EVERYBODY FLOWING? THAT SIGN'S REQUIRED MERGE, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.THE MERGE AHEAD SIGN THAT'S AHEAD OF THIS, THE ADVANCED SIGN AHEAD OF THIS SIGN, THAT IS NOT REQUIRED.
SO WE TOOK THAT OUT AND THEN THERE WE'RE GONNA ADD A SIGN TOO CALLED MERGE HERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO IDENTIFY THE DRIVER TO MERGE RIGHT AT THE MERGE POINT NOT BEFORE.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PAVEMENT MARKER ON THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF REDUNDANCY IN THERE TO TRY TO GET THAT DRIVER BEHAVIOR.
IT'S NEVER GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE, THAT WE REALIZE NOW DOWNSTREAM OF FOREST WHERE WE HAD PEOPLE PASSING WHERE WE NEVER ANTICIPATED PEOPLE PASSING THERE.
BUT THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN.
OVERLY AGGRESSIVE DRIVERS, OVERLY PASSIVE DRIVERS.
NOT A LOT IN BETWEEN
I, I LIKE WITH ANYTHING, THIS IS GONNA TAKE TIME.
WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS, AGAIN, I DO, I'VE SEEN MORE OF THE UTILIZATION OF THAT LANE AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT WHEN IT OPENED UP.
AND I THINK AS FINAL STRIPING GOES IN, AS MORE THINGS ARE IN IN, THEN YOU WILL SEE IT MORE AND MORE.
UM, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A PERFECT SCIENCE.
YOU WILL STILL HAVE THE ROGUE CAR THAT STILL FEELS THAT THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY MERGING IMMEDIATELY.
BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE OUT HERE MONITORING IT AND TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES.
ONE FINAL THING THAT, THAT, UH, WE'VE WORKED ON, WHICH MAY SEEM LIKE A SMALL THING, BUT I I THINK IT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP, IS BOTH PINK JEEP AND SAFARI JEEP HAVE AGREED TO PUT THESE BUMPER STICKERS ON THEIR, ON THEIR, ON THEIR JEEPS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE A DECENT NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON THE ROAD.
AND WHAT I'D ALSO LIKE TO GET THEM TO COMMIT TO IS HAVING THEIR OP, THEIR JEEP O UH, OPERATORS DO IT DO THE ZIPPER MES.
AND THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW THERE'S, UM, BUMPER STICKERS FOR YOU TO USE PERSONALLY OR HANDOUT HERE ABOVE STEVE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA PUT 'EM ON ALL CITY VEHICLES, POLICE VEHICLES, AND UM, SO ON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS MESSAGE OUT AND THIS DIALS INTO A BIG OUTREACH AS WELL.
ONCE WE COMPLETE OUR PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PUT OUT HOW TO OPERATE, UH, ON A ZIPPER MERGE.
AND ALSO, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, MAYOR, DON'T BLOCK THE SQUARE, DON'T BLOCK THE, THE INTERSECTION FOR THE SAME THING FOR THE Y SO PEOPLE AREN'T GOING IN THERE AND STOPPING IN THE Y UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RESIDENCE.
IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT THE RESIDENCE, IT'S PEOPLE ABOUT, OH, FIGURE FROM PHOENIX OR WHEREVER YOU DON'T KNOW.
MY ATTITUDE IS IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO EDUCATION OUTREACH, LET'S TRY TO OUTREACH AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO GET THE RESIDENTS TO TELL THEIR GUESTS TO HOPEFULLY GET SHORT TERM RENTAL, TO TELL THEIR PEOPLE, THEIR VISITORS, GET THE HOTELS.
UM, ROBERT'S DOING A GREAT JOB WITH TRANSIT AND OUTREACH WITH OUR, UM, THE HOSPITAL, UH, HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, THE SAME KIND OF THING THAT WE CAN TRY TO OUTREACH TO GET PEOPLE TO GET THAT DRIVER BEHAVIOR OUTSIDE OF THAT IT HAS TO GO INTO ENFORCEMENT.
THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DUN, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE HIM, UH, SIT IN, UH, UH, JUMP IN TO GET HIS COMMENTS FOR THREE MINUTES.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS NO REFLECTION ON ALL THE EXTREMELY HARD WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING, MELISSA.
UM, AND I REALIZE THAT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IS REQUIRED BY LAW.
THEY, THEY'VE COME UP WITH WHATEVER, HOWEVER, IF I WERE JUST A HUMAN, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A ZIPPER MERGE IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ANYTHING I EVER USED OR SAW OR WHATEVER.
SO ARE ANY OF THESE TERMS LIKE EVER USER TESTED TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT USERS ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THEM? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU CAN CONSIDER? AGAIN, I REALIZE AS A SOCIOLOGIST, MAYBE MY HEAD JUST GOES HERE, BUT I'M WITH YOU.
SO THE, THE MAIN THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GAIN IS, IS USE USEFULNESS OF BOTH LANES, USE BOTH LANES.
SO THAT MESSAGE WILL BE THERE.
AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHAT THE ZIPPER MERGE SPECIFICALLY IS THOUGH, IS BE COURTEOUS AND TAKE TERMS MERGING.
DON'T BE THE JERK THAT TRIES TO USE BOTH LANES AND BLOCK ANYBODY FROM BEING ABLE TO MERGE.
UM, SO WHILE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE DETAIL OF THAT SIGN, THE INTENT OF IS, OF IT IS SHOWING THE TURNS BEING TAKEN WHILE MERGING KIND OF THING.
UM, AND AND ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD POINT OUT IS THAT MANY STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE, ARE ALREADY IMPLEMENTING THIS.
UM, THE QUICK SEARCH THAT I DID RECENTLY FOUND ARIZONA, INDIANA, WASHINGTON AS I THINK ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS MIGHT SPEAK TO LATER, POSSIBLY, UH, KANSAS,
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MISSOURI, MINNESOTA, NORTH CAROLINA, UTAH, AND MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE LAW NOW IN, I THINK IT WAS GERMANY THAT I READ.
SO WHILE IT MIGHT NOT BE A, A REAL COMMON THING TODAY, HOPEFULLY IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE COMMON AND UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MAIN THING IS WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND
NO, BUT THE FIRST, THOSE WORDS THAT YOU SAID FIRST BE COURTEOUS, RIGHT.
TAKE TURNS MERGING WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE UNDERSTANDING THAN ALTERNATE WHEN MERGING.
SO I I'M JUST SAYING, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY CLEAR AND OVER TIME YOU MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO GET RID OF ALL THAT AND SAY ZIPPER MERGE.
AND PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND WHICH IS THE POINT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
AND UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AGGRESSIVE DRIVERS, YOU ALSO WANNA TALK ABOUT THEIR BEHAVIOR AS DRIVERS.
SO THAT'S THE WHOLE BE COURTEOUS, BUT MAYBE THAT'S JUST TOO MANY WORDS TO PUT ON A SIGN.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL, PEOPLE JUST GO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS AND I'M JUST GONNA MERGE.
THAT AGAIN, GOES BACK TO IT JUST TO, I, I KNOW, I'M SORRY.
BUT WITH OUR GROUP WORKED ON THE ONE SPECIFICALLY IN KANSAS AND IT DID START OFF THE SAME WAY.
IT'S LIKE, WHAT'S A ZIPPER MERGE? MM-HMM
BUT IT WAS, IT WAS MODELED AFTER KIND OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
AND THEN THEY SLOWLY, AS THAT BECAME MORE COMMON NOMENCLATURE IN THE STATE, THEN IT JUST BECAME MORE COMMONPLACE WHERE IF YOU SEE THAT SIGN UP THERE, YOU JUST UNDERSTAND IT.
SO AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO KIND OF LIKE, IN SOME CASES SEDONA IS A TEST CASE HERE.
AND SO THIS IS A, WE HAVE STANDARDIZED MARKINGS AND SIGNAGE ON THE ROAD SUPPLEMENTED WITH MORE UNIQUE SIGNAGE TO TRY AND IN TWO WAYS KIND OF EDUCATE PEOPLE WHO MAYBE COME TO TOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME.
SO, UM, WHEN KIND OF TALKING TO OUR GROUP THERE, THIS WAS KIND OF EXACTLY HOW THEY STARTED OFF WITH, LIKE, WE HAVE TO SIGN IT PROPERLY, BUT THEN WE CAN SUPPLEMENT WITH KINDA UNIQUE TYPE SIGNAGE IN THE PAVEMENT OR, UM, OBVIOUSLY UP ON THE SIDEWALKS AND, AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
AND THEN WE'LL GO TO SEAN SMITH FROM
YEAH, I WOULD JUST, I, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD FOCUS INITIALLY ON EDUCATING US WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE.
AND SO I WOULD, I WONDER IF YOU'VE CONSIDERED DOING SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS? YES.
'CAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE IN THOSE.
BECAUSE I THINK, AND, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE NICE UPROAR IN NEXT DOOR ABOUT HOW STUPID ALL OF THAT IS, BUT AT LEAST IT WILL PUT IT IN THE PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS AS SOMETHING TO DISCUSS AND TO KNOW ABOUT AND, UM, AND TO BE OUTRAGED ABOUT.
SO I THINK I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, KATHY.
SO I, I HATE TO BE THE ONE WHO POINTED IT OUT, BUT IN YOUR, IN THE PICTURES IN THE PRESENTATION, THE FIRST ONE BEING NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC ZIPPER MERGE, AND THE SECOND ONE BEING NO ZIPPER MERGE.
THE ZIPPER MERGE WORKS GREAT FROM THE POINT OF THE MERGE FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE THE CLEAR OF TRAFFIC, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE BEHIND THE POINT OF THE MERGE, IT'S THE SAME TRAFFIC BACKUP WHICH LEADS YOU DOWN TO THE YI MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NO RELIEF DOWN THE HILL AND IT'S BACKED UP AT THE Y OR BACKED UP.
SO, SO A COUPLE THINGS, UH, RELATED TO THAT.
WHEN WE TOOK THIS VIDEO, WE HADN'T REMOVED ONE OF THOSE, UM, I GUESS, UH, TURN ARROWS.
ONE OF THE OPTIONAL SIGNS THAT WE HAD THAT SAID LEFT LANE ENDS, THAT'S NOW GONE.
AND IT WAS WELL IN ADVANCE OF THE REQUIRED SIGN.
SO WE WERE MAKING THAT NOTIFICATION WAY TOO EARLY AND REALIZING THAT WE WERE TELLING PEOPLE ESSENTIALLY GET OVER.
SO WE'VE REMOVED THAT, WE'VE TAKEN OUT THE TWO ARROWS THAT ANDREW MEN MENTIONED IN THIS VIDEO.
THOSE ARROWS WERE STILL IN PLACE.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, ONE THING THAT, THAT KURT MENTIONED IS WE'RE GONNA BE STENCILING ON THE PAVEMENT FIRST, USE BOTH LANES, IT'S GONNA SAY THOSE WORDS ON THE PAVEMENT, AND THEN AT THE MERGE POINT IT WILL SAY ZIPPER MERGE.
SO THE THE KEY THING IS GETTING THE UTILIZATION OF THE TWO LANES AND, AND I THINK THE STENCILING WILL HELP WITH THAT.
UM, AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE OUT THERE ROAD RAGING AND FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER.
WE WANT THAT MERGE HAPPENING EFFICIENTLY.
AND THEN JUST ONE THING TO CLARIFY IS THE, THE STATIC IMAGE IN THE PACKET SHOWS CONGESTION ALL THE WAY BACK, BUT MM-HMM,
SO AS PEOPLE ARE MOVING, YOU CAN SEE THE CAR STILL MOVING AND IT ACTUALLY STARTS TO, TO CLEAR UP.
AND THEN IN THE SECOND ONE WHERE WE'RE NOT AS EFFECTIVELY UTILIZING THE ZIPPER MERGE, IT'S, IT'S BACKED UP FURTHER.
AND I, I WAS TRYING TO CAPTURE THESE,
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THESE ARE WITHIN LIKE 30 MINUTES OF EACH OTHER, MORE KIND OF, UH, ELABORATE ON, DEPENDS ON CYCLE OF VEHICLES.IN THIS CASE IT WAS A LARGE RV THAT KIND OF LED THE CHARGE AND YOU COULD SEE EVERYONE STARTED TO FOLLOW IT.
AND THEN A HALF HOUR LATER EVERYONE WAS KIND OF MORE BACK TO LET'S JUST MERGE IMMEDIATELY INTO ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY BACK.
SO JUST AGAIN, IN KIND OF THAT SNAPSHOT OF TIME OF 24 HOURS STRAIGHT OF VIDEO, IT SHOWS THAT KIND OF CLEARING AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WITH IT BEING THAT THAT VIDEO IS WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS OF THAT, THAT OPENING UP AND WHAT IS THE PROJECTED MINUTES TO BE SAVED? 'CAUSE WE ALWAYS HAD, YOU KNOW, LIKE, THIS HAPPENS, YOU'LL SAY FOUR MINUTES AND THIS'LL SAVE SEVEN.
AND WE KNEW HOW THEY WORKED TOGETHER.
SO WHAT WERE THE, WHAT WERE THE ACTUAL PROJECTED MINUTES ON THIS? UM, MINUTES WISE, I DO NOT KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UM, THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION COMPLETING, WE WERE GONNA SEE AN OVERALL NEAR 40% TRAVEL TIME SAVING THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
AND THEN THAT EQUATES TO 20% ON THIS ROAD, 10% ON THIS ROAD.
SO, UM, THAT'S MY LONG TERM ANSWER OF, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO SAVE BECAUSE IT WASN'T NECESSARILY GONNA SAVE SIGNIFICANT TRAVEL TIMES FOR NORTHBOUND.
WHERE IT WAS GOING TO SAVE WAS TRAFFIC THAT WAS TRAVELING THROUGH THE Y AND HEADING TO A DIFFERENT DESTINATION.
THAT'S WHERE THE SAVINGS WAS TRULY REALIZED.
SO IF YOU GO WEST SEDONA, RIGHT? YOU GOOD? MM-HMM,
SO A QUICK QUESTION AND WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, I JUST SAW IN THE VIDEO IT WAS INTERESTING.
THE YEAH, THERE'S NO BIKE LANE ON THE, ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE, WHETHER IT BE ASSIGNED DIRECTING BIKES UP ONTO TO SHARED USE PATH.
I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE THAT WE DO ACTUALLY, UM, WE, WE BASICALLY RIDE IT LAY A VERGE, YOU KNOW, IT IT, THE, THE SHARED USE PATH GOES THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT CROSSES LAY A VERGE.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT MA FOR SURE.
WELL I JUST, I MEAN THERE IS NO BIKE PATH.
SO THAT, THAT I JUST SAW TWO BIKES, YOU KNOW, A NARROW PATH WITH THE CARS.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT, THAT GOT REALLY LOUD
UM, BUT IF I'M REMEMBERING RIGHT, BIKES ARE SENT ONTO THE SHARED USE PATH PRIOR TO THE Y ROUNDABOUT.
SO TECHNICALLY THEY SHOULD ALREADY BE ON THE SGIS PATH.
WE'RE GONNA DOUBLE CHECK IT THOUGH.
'CAUSE IF WE NEED TO ADD SIGNAGE, WE SHOULD, I THINK IT'S THE SAME THING.
IT'S AN EDUCATION OUTREACH THING SUPPOSED TO BE OUT OF IT AT THE Y AND THEN THEY HEAD MORPH.
ALL WE TOOK THAT PURPOSELY THAT BIKE LANE SPACE TO MAKE THOSE.
I REMEMBER WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
BUT WHAT ABOUT A PAVEMENT MARKING ARROW FROM THE BIKE LANE WHEREVER IT ENDS UP TO THE SIDEWALK? I DON'T WANT TO BELAY BELAY THAT, UH, TOO LONG.
UH, MARCY, CAN WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT? YOU READY? OKAY.
LET'S JUST STOP FOR A, A, A BREAK AND HAVE SEAN SMITH STEP UP AND SEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DRILL.
I'M GONNA ADJUST MY MIC AT COUNSELOR DUNN'S RECOMMENDATION SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR ME A LITTLE BETTER.
I'M DEFINITELY GRABBING ONE OF THOSE.
I SUGGEST AN ICON THAT SHOWS THE ZIPPER SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT EMERGES.
KIND OF COMMUNICATE THAT A LITTLE BETTER.
UH, I'VE SEEN MANY DIFFERENT OTHER CITIES TRYING TO PROMULGATE ZIPPER EMERGES AND I THINK IT'S ENOUGH IN THE ZEITGEIST THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL GET IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T PICTURE SPEAK A THOUSAND WORDS, SO THAT WOULD BE THERE.
I'M GONNA PUT, I'VE DOWNLOADED THE FORMS FOR MY SPOUSAL AUTHORIZATION TO PUT ONE ON HER CAR.
JOHN, I DON'T OFTEN SAY THIS, BUT COULD YOU STEP BACK FROM THE MIC A LITTLE BIT?
IS THAT, I TRY NOT TO POP THERE.
YEAH, SO THE PARKING AT THE RIGHT EXCHANGE.
UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE KIND OF THE BATTLE, I GUESS I'LL SAY WITH TALK OF HOCKEY AND THE HUMMINGBIRD HOUSE AND YOU'RE GONNA MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE ROUNDABOUT AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, JUST CARVE OUT THE HILLSIDE AND PUT SOME PARKING AT THE RIOT EXCHANGE THAT JUST HAVING A TRANSFER, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T SEE USING THAT.
UM, THE CONNECTIVITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS A REALLY KEY THING THOUGH.
70% OF THE PEOPLE SAY NO IN THE SURVEY, BUT ALL THE PEOPLE SAY TRAFFIC AND TRANSIT WOULD BE HELPED GREATLY IF YOU COULD GET THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IF YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE BUSES ARE JUST GONNA GET STUCK ON 89 A, WHY WOULD I LEAVE MY CAR? I'M JUST GONNA EXCUSE MY CAR 'CAUSE I'M STILL STUCK IN IT.
UM, BUT IF I KNOW THAT THE, THE BUSES CAN WIND THE BACK WAY IS THROUGH TO GET ME TO A SAFEWAY OR WHATEVER, UM, THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.
SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT COUNCIL FACES IS GOING IN OPPOSITION OF MANY OF THE RESIDENTS FOR AN EVEN GREATER GOOD OF TRANSIT.
AND THAT'S GONNA COME UP IN A TIME AGAIN AT THE CANDIDATE FORUM.
WE SAW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU INVOLVE PUBLIC? WELL, IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY, SO YOU GUYS HAVE TO DECIDE.
YOU CAN'T GET EVERYBODY IN ON EVERY DECISION.
AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA HATE YOU FOR IT.
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THING KEEPS COMING UP, BUT IT'S LIKE YOU GOTTA SEAT FOR, UH, SEARCH FOR THE HIGHEST COMMON GOOD.SO I AM SURE YOU GUYS WILL DO THAT THERE.
OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND GO BACK TO ANDREW.
UH, FOUR O'CLOCK WE'LL BE BACK.
I JUST SAYING IT COULD BE SO I WOULDN'T USE, BUT JUST USE THIS.
NO, I, I CAN FORWARD ALRIGHT, FORWARD.
SO LET'S FORWARD AND THEN THE BACK AND THEN THE TOP IS A LASER.
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ROBERT AND I CAN OPERATE THIS.
GOOD AFTERNOON MR. JAM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
ALWAYS HAPPY TO SEE YOU, ROBERT.
I JUST HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO GO THROUGH, UH, FOR A QUICK UPDATE.
UH, WE DO OVER THE COUNCIL MORE IN DEPTH MEETING ON TRANSIT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET THERE AND WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT.
THIS IS JUST A QUICK SIM UPDATE ON SNAPSHOT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL JUST GET ON WITH IT.
SO, TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE, UH, BOARDINGS, UM, WE'VE SEEN ABOUT A 23% INCREASE, UM, THROUGH MARCH OF THIS FISCAL YEAR AS COMPARED TO THE SAME PERIOD LAST FISCAL.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE USED TO GET EXCITED WHEN WE'D SEE FOUR TO 5% INCREASES, UM, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING DOUBLE DIGIT LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S REALLY, UH, SPEAKING VOLUMES FOR, FOR THAT.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST SHY OF, WE'RE JUST NORTH OF 700,000 BOARDINGS SINCE WE LAUNCHED MARCH OF 2022.
SO I GUESS WHEN WE HIT THE MILLION MARK, WE'LL HAVE A BALLOON DROP OR SOMETHING.
UM, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE SHUTTLE PROGRAM IS AT THE UM, ROBERT, EXCUSE ME.
YEAH, WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THE 23% INCREASE TO? OR WHAT COMBINATION OF THINGS? WELL, I'D LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK IT'S BEEN SOME OF THE MARKETING THAT'S GONE OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WITH THE CHAMBER AND, YOU KNOW, SUBSEQUENTLY SINCE WE'VE ROLLED THE MARKETING IN-HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PUSHING MORE OF THAT STUFF OUT ON, ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
YOU, YOU KNOW, MY SENSE IS, UH, VICE MAYOR, THE, THE TOWN'S GETTING BUSIER.
UM, THIS YEAR WAS INTERESTING.
IF I GO BACK THE SLIDE HERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT MARCH OF THIS YEAR, THIS IS THE HIGHEST BOARDINGS IN ANY SINGLE, UH, MONTH THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE WE LAUNCHED OVER 60,000, UH, BOARDINGS.
UM, THE INDICATIONS FROM THE FIELD ARE THAT WE'RE TURNING MORE CARS AWAY AT BOW STRING.
THERE'S MORE PEOPLE COMING, THERE'S MORE, MORE, MORE.
HAVING SAID THAT, IT WAS KIND OF STRANGE THIS YEAR WHAT'S NOT REFLECTED HERE? THE AVERAGE DAILY BOARDINGS FOR APRIL, AS OF LAST SUNDAY, THEY'RE OFF ABOUT 9%.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THROWN ME A LITTLE BIT.
LAST YEAR WHEN I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, IT SEEMED LIKE SPRING BREAK CAME IN LIKE A LAMB AND LEFT LIKE A LION.
AND, AND THIS YEAR IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING THE OTHER WAY.
SO I WISH I HAD A BETTER ANSWER, BUT JUST ANECDOTALLY, IT'S JUST WE'RE GETTING MORE PE IT JUST SEEMED THEMES LIKE THE TOWN'S BUSIER, UM, SINCE WE, SINCE WE ORIGINALLY LOST AND, UH, LAUNCHED IN 2022.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY CONTINUING THE VICE MAYOR'S QUESTION.
SO WHEN DID THE, UH, UH, WHEN DID THE UPPER RED ROCK LOOP, UH, PARKING LOT GO ONLINE? 'CAUSE THAT INCREASED CAPACITY? YEAH, MARCH OF, UH, LAST YEAR WE MARCH 1ST AND THE FIRST TWO DAYS, FIRST DAY AND A HALF, UH, WE'D SUSPENDED SERVICE, IT WAS SNOWSTORM.
SO THAT KIND OF THREW THINGS OFF A LITTLE BIT.
I DID LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY THE LINE 11 FROM LAST MARCH TO THIS MARCH, AND ALSO THE LINE 12, THE LINE, AND I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, THE LINE 12 WAS DOWN BY A SINGLE DIGIT PERCENTAGE AND THE LINE 11 WAS UP BY DOUBLE DIGIT.
SO EITHER WE'RE GETTING MORE PEOPLE TO GO TO THAT PARK AND RIDE TO ACCESS DEVIL'S BRIDGE IN MECAL AND OR AN INCREASE IN OVERALL AWARENESS AND USE, UM, ARE A COMBINATION THEREOF.
SO OVERALL SYSTEM BOARDINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY UP, UM, OVER THE SAME PERIOD OF LAST YEAR.
SO THE, UM, LINE 12 IS INTERESTING.
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LINE, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH ITUM, IT'S CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC? WHICH IS THERE, WHERE DOES IT GO? OH, OKAY.
NO, YOU LIVE IN OUR WORLD EVERY DAY.
I, I KNOW, BUT I ALWAYS CRITICIZE, UH, MY, MY
UM, YEAH, SO THE LINE, THE LINE 12 IS, IS, IT'S CALLED INNER LINED, IS THE, THE TECHNICAL TERM WITH THE LINE 14, WHICH SERVES SOLDIERS PASS LINE 12 SERVES DRY CREEK.
UM, THAT'S ONE BUS SERVING BOTH ROUTES.
SO WHEN ONE'S DELAYED, THE OTHER ONE'S DELAYED.
AND THE REASON THAT WE HAD TO BLOCK IT THAT WAY, OR SCHEDULE IT THAT WAY IS BECAUSE OF OUR US FOREST SERVICE PERMIT FOR SOLDIERS PASS, UH, WE'RE LIMITED TO THREE, 300 PASSENGERS PER DAY THAT WE CAN DELIVER TO SOLDIERS PASS.
WE CAN TAKE A MILLION PEOPLE OFF THE PASS EVERY DAY, OF COURSE, BUT WE'RE LIMITED TO 300.
SO IN BLOCKING THAT, THAT ONLY GAVE US FREQUENCY OF ABOUT EVERY 45 MINUTES UP TO SOLDIERS PASS, RATHER THAN PAYING THE CONTRACTOR TO HAVE THE BUS SIT IDLE.
WE'RE RUNNING IT OUT TO DRY CREEK IN BETWEEN THOSE TRIPS AND WE ARE GETTING SOME RIDERSHIP, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE STATE OF THE SHUTTLES.
UM, I'M, I'M STILL GOING ON THE QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, AND, AND ON THAT LATTER POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT MAYBE INSTEAD OF RUNNING THE, WHICHEVER THAT LINE THAT IS, THAT GOES BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN SOLDIER PASS AND, UH, AND, UH, DEVIL'S BRIDGE ABOUT HAVING IT LIKE GO UP TO, UH, THE AIRPORT, UH, LOOP TRAIL YEAH.
IS THERE ANY MORE THOUGHT ON DOING THAT? NO, WE LOOKED INTO THAT, UH, BEFORE THE INITIAL DEPLOYMENT.
WE MET, UM, HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE AIRPORT, UM, DROPPING.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, THAT IF, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT SMALL PARKING AREA, HALF HALFWAY UP THE GRADE, UM, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND SERVING THAT WITH PUBLIC TRANSIT.
FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THERE'S NO TURNAROUND.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN, WHEN PUBLIC TRANSIT IS SERVING ANYWHERE, WE HAVE THAT LIABILITY.
SO IF WE'RE PUTTING PEOPLE OUT ONTO A ROADWAY THAT ISN'T SAFE, HAS LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES, DOESN'T HAVE A CLEAR BOARDING, UH, UH, SAFE BOARDING PLATFORM OR PULLOUT, SOMEBODY GETS HIT, SOMEBODY GETS HURT, THAT LIABILITY'S GONNA ROLL RIGHT BACK TO OUR CONTRACTOR IN THE CITY.
UM, HOWEVER, WE DID EXPLORE GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP AND INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS.
THEIR, THEIR CONCERN WOULD BE THEY, 'CAUSE THEY'RE CHARGING, I THINK IT'S $3 TO PARK UP THERE, THEIR CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A LOSS OF REVENUE.
BUT THEY WERE STILL WILLING TO PUT A, PUT A STOP UP THERE FOR US TO DO THAT.
WE KICKED THIS AROUND INTERNALLY, UM, AND BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH PARKING UP THERE, WE JUST DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT EFFECTIVE.
UM, 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO DRIVE UP THERE AND THEY'LL PAY THE THREE BUCKS VERSUS HAVING TO, HAVING TO GO TO SAY, POSSE GROUNDS AND PARK AND THEN, AND THEN GO UP TO THE AIRPORT.
NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T REVISIT THAT AT SOME POINT, BUT WE DO HAVE MICRO CHANCE THAT COMING SHORTLY.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH A FOREST SERVICE.
UM, I, I'M TAKING ANOTHER RUN AT IT TO SEE IF WE CAN INCREASE OUR QUOTA UP TO, UH, SOLDIERS PASS SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THAT PARTICULAR BUS FOR MORE FREQUENCY, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THAT SPECIFIC TRAIL HEAD.
I, I JUST DID WANT TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, YES.
SO ANYTHING ELSE? YES, YES, WE HAVE PETE GOING.
ROBERT, HOW DO YOU, HOW, WHAT'S YOUR THINKING ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE APP? HOW IS THAT WORKING FOR YOU OR YOU PLAN ANY IMPROVEMENTS? THE, FOR THE TRAIL LOC, THE TRAILHEAD, THE TRANS LO, IS IT TRANSLOCK OR TRANS LO, TRANS LO, THEY'RE FROM CANADA, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY PRONOUNCE IT DIFFERENTLY.
UM, IT'S, WE'RE REALLY GONNA PUT THAT THING THROUGH THE PACES WHEN WE LAUNCH THE SECOND MODULE WITHIN THAT, ACTUALLY, THERE'S TWO MORE MODULES WE'RE GONNA LAUNCH.
WE HAVE 'EM IN TEST RIGHT NOW, AND THEY SEEM TO BE DOING PRETTY WELL.
AND THAT'S FOR THE MICRO TRANSIT AND THE TOKEN TRANSIT DIGITAL
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PASSES.SO IT'S ONE APP YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SWITCH BETWEEN THE FIXED ROUTE.
AND WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH TRANSLOCK, WHERE A VEHICLE WILL FALL OFF THE TRACKING AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT IN THE TICKET AND THEN IT COMES BACK, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE LAUNCH.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, MORE TO COME REALLY WHEN WE PUT IT THROUGH THE PACES WITH THE, WITH THE DEMAND RESPONSE AND, AND APP PAYMENT AND ALL THAT.
UM, SHORT OF THAT, UM, COUNCILOR FURMAN, IF WE AREN'T HAPPY WITH IT, WE CAN TERMINATE THE CONTRACT AND GO OUT BID, UH, AND BRING IN A WHOLE NEW PLATFORM, BUT I'M NOT THERE YET.
I'VE, I'VE, I, I HAVE SOME SPECIFIC USER INTERFACE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, BUT PLAYING AROUND WITH IT THIS PAST WEEKEND, SO I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
UM, ARE WE BACK ON THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY? BECAUSE SPRING BREAK IS OVER.
TWO, TWO BUSES HAVE PHYSICALLY ARRIVED IN PHOENIX FOR THEIR UPFITS.
THE OTHER THREE HAVE BEEN MANUFACTURED AND ARE IN ROUTE FROM MASSACHUSETTS.
UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING BETWEEN THE, GETTING THE WRAPS, THE ITS INFRA, UH, INFRASTRUCTURES INSTALLED IN PHOENIX DISPATCH TRAINING, RECRUITMENT DRIVER TRAINING, UH, MARKETING, UM, WHICH WE WOULD BEGIN MARKETING ABOUT 45 DAYS IN, IN ADVANCE OF LAUNCH.
ONCE WE ABSOLUTELY FIRM UP A LAUNCH DATE, THEN WE WOULD RELEASE THE, UH, THE MARKETING MATERIALS.
MY HOPE, UM, AND I, I KNOW I'M ON CAMERA HERE EVERYWHERE, SO I'M GONNA SAY HOPE, IF THE TIMELINES HOLD, WE COULD LAUNCH JULY 4TH WEEKEND.
SO THAT'S BEEN TWO YEARS WAITING FOR BUS MANUFACTURERS, UH, TO, TO GET US THOSE VEHICLES.
AND WE LOGGED, I'M SORRY, HOW MANY ARE THOSE? UH, FIVE.
MY QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED.
I'LL TELL YOU, BRIAN, ROBERT, YOU WERE JUST MENTIONING, UH, IN RESPONDING TO COUNCILOR FURMAN THAT THE EXISTING TRANS LO APP WILL BE THE SAME APP FOR MICRO TRANSIT AND PAYING FOR MICRO TRANSIT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT BEGINNING TO CHARGE FOR THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE? YEAH, I'M, I'M FAIR AGNOSTIC.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, IT'LL BE ABOUT A $38,000 INVESTMENT FOR FAIR BOXES, VALIDATORS, ALL OF THAT ON, ON THAT SUB FLEET FOR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES, UM, AND THEN THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH WE CAN DO, UH, TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE FAIR.
AND ULTIMATELY, THIS COUNCIL WOULD SET THE FAIR.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT, THE REASON I WOULD WANT VALIDATORS TO SPEED UP THE BOARDING PROCESS.
ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN YOU, WITH VOLUME, LIKE OUR TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES ARE DOING 35 PASSENGERS PER HOUR, THAT'S EXTREMELY PRODUCTIVE.
UM, YOU START SLOWING UP THE BOARDING PROCESS, YOUR OPERATING COSTS START GOING UP
UH, THEN, THEN COMES THE PASSENGER WITH THE BIG BAG OF COINS AND WANTS TO COUNT OUT 200 PENNIES AND PUT 'EM IN OUR FAIR BOX.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
THAT WOULD BE WITH VALIDATORS, WHERE THEY WOULD JUST COME ON CLICK, IT WOULD JUST READ.
IT'S A PROXIMITY READER THAT WOULD HELP.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO FOR A SERVICE LIKE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'D SET THE FARES, UM, ROUND TRIP FAIRS I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY USES THOSE SHUTTLES FOR ROUND TRIPS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY DO NOT.
UH, SO IT WOULD BE PER, PER ONE WAY TRIP.
UM, AND IT COULD GENERATE, YOU KNOW, UM, WELL, I DON'T WANNA SAY HOW MUCH, 'CAUSE WE HAVE, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT AFFECT FAIRES.
ONE IS YOUR DISCOUNT FAIR, YOUR FULL FAIR.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PAIR MIX IS GONNA REALLY BE.
UM, HOW MANY, HOW MANY ARE DISCOUNTED VERSUS FULL? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW TILL WE HAVE SOME DATA.
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THERE'S ALSO A THING CALLED RESIDUAL FARE, AND WHERE YOU'RE ACCEPTING CASH AND COIN ON THE BUS, WHICH WE WILL, AND LIKE WE WILL SEE THIS WITH MICRO TRANSIT AS WELL.UM, THAT'S EXACT FARE ONLY DRIVERS DO NOT MAKE CHANGE.
TYPICALLY, THAT WILL GENERATE 10% IN WHAT'S CALLED RESIDUAL FARE REVENUE.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT, ALL I HAVE IS A FIVE.
WELL, I CAN'T MAKE CHANGE IN THE FAIR BOX.
IT GOES, EVEN THOUGH HE MIGHT BE A $2 FARE.
SO THERE'S ALL THOSE THINGS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT THAT IN PLACE, THEN YOU START TO LOOK AT YOUR REVENUE AND YOU CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE, EVEN ADJUSTING YOUR FARE UP OR DOWN OR WHATEVER.
IT'S JUST, YOU CAN MAKE A MORE OF AN INFORMED DECISION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THERE WOULD BE INTEREST FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT OF PROPERLY EXAMINING, ADDING A FAIR TO THE SEDONA SHUTTLE.
IS THERE INTEREST? WELL, I HAVE INTEREST, IS THIS, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE END OF, UH, UH, ITEM B FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? IT CAN BE APPROPRIATE IN EITHER NOW OR THEN.
I THINK WE, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH? I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING THAT.
WE HAVE MORE THAN FOUR, SO THANK YOU.
UH, AND THAT WE'LL LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE.
AND ROBERT, JUST ONE LAST QUESTION AND, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T PROJECT ANYTHING ON MICRO TRANSIT SINCE WE HAVEN'T STARTED YET.
BUT ANY SENSE OF OTHER BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY FROM LIKE THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE AT THIS POINT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A SENSE IF WE'RE TAKING ANY TRAFFIC OFF THE ROAD AT PEAK TIMES? DO DO WE HAVE THAT SENSE AT THIS POINT? I WOULD SAY HONESTLY, THAT WE, WE MUST BE, UM, SO LET ME BACK UP.
BEFORE WE DEPLOYED IN MARCH OF 2022, WE DID PULL QUITE A BIT OF CELL PHONE, CELL PHONE DATA THROUGH PLACER AI, WHICH IS A WHOLE OTHER PLATFORM WE HAD ACCESS TO.
IT SHOWED THE MAJORITY OF TRAFFIC GOING TO CATHEDRAL ROCK.
THEIR, THEIR ORIGIN WAS FROM, FROM THE NORTH, IN OTHER WORDS, FROM THE CITY TO CATHEDRAL, OVERWHELMINGLY.
SO NOW WE'RE INTERCEPTING AT BO STRING.
WE'RE SO WE'RE, WE MUST BE STOPPING TRAFFIC OR ADDITIONAL, UM, PASSENGER VEHICLE TRIPS FROM BO STRING TO CATHEDRAL ON 1 79 AND BACK.
SO DON'T HAVE DATA, BUT ANECDOTALLY AND INTUITIVELY, I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE, AND POSSIBLY THROUGH 89 A FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING A SHORTCUT, OR NOT A SHORTCUT, BUT DRIVING UP TO SOLD UP TO POSSE GROUNDS, TO, TO GRAB THE, THE LINE 12 MAYBE, WHICH GOES OUT TO DRY CREEK.
UM, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A SENSE REALLY WITH THE, THE NEWEST PARK AND RIDE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO DRIVE TO IT AND USE IT TO GET UP TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DRY CREEK ROAD AND MESCAL.
SO WE MIGHT BE TAKING TRAFFIC OFF OF DRY CREEK IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
THE FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE WE ARE, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
I MEAN, WE SHOULD BE LEARNING MORE ABOUT THAT, LIKE STARTING LITERALLY RIGHT NOW, GIVEN THAT THE REST OF DRY CREEK IS EITHER BEING FENCED OFF OR BEING POSTED AS NO PARKING.
SO IN THEORY, THAT SHOULD ALSO TAKE MORE VEHICLES OFF OF DRY CREEK AND DRIVE UP RIDERSHIP.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GONNA BE BENCHMARKING THAT.
I KNOW WHAT THE RIDERSHIP IS AS OF RIGHT NOW, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY CLOSE THAT PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA START LOOKING AT IT ON THE GO FORWARD, WHAT RIDERSHIP IS, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.
OKAY, WELL, WE CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE WAY PASSENGER TRIP COULD BE ONE CAR, OR WE COULD USE LIKE THE U-S-D-O-T STANDARD OF FOR RECREATION WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON VACATION.
IT'S LIKE 2.3 PASSENGERS PER CAR, AND YOU COULD DO THE MATH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, INTUITIVELY I WOULD SAY WE'RE TAKING CARS OFF THE ROAD.
IS IT SAVING THE PLANET ON ITS OWN? NO, BUT I, I THINK IT'S MADE AN IMPACT.
UM, AND IT CERTAINLY HAS MADE AN IMPACT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AT, UH, SOLDIERS PASS AND CATHEDRAL, WHICH REALLY STARTED US DOWN THE ROAD TO PUT THIS SERVICE, YOU KNOW, ON THE ROAD IN ADVANCE OF ANYTHING ELSE WE DID.
UM, ONE, ONE OTHER THING ON THIS SLIDE, UH, THE,
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UH, FTA THROUGH ADOT HAS AWARDED US A SIXTH MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLE.SO RIGHT NOW YOU GOT THE FEDS PAYING FOR HALF OF YOUR MICRO TRANSIT FLEET, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WELL, THEY'RE PAYING, THEY'RE PAYING 85 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, BUT SO WE STILL HAVE THE LOCAL MATCH AT 15, 15 CENTS ON THOSE, THOSE FEDERAL UNITS.
UM, I'M GOING TO REFER THIS OVER IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE TO, UH, KURT AND JOHN.
UM, BUT THIS, JOHN AND I LOOKED AT THE SLIDE AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHERE IT'S AT.
THE, UM, THE RFQ IS IN ITS FINAL, FINAL REVIEW WITH ADOT AND FTA REGION NINE, AND SOON TO BE HIT THE STREETS FOR, UH, ENGINEERING AND DESIGN.
UM, HOPEFULLY DESIGN COMPLETE BY THE END OF THIS, THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
AND AS THIS IS ALL GRANT FUNDING, CONTINGENT CONSTRUCTION COULD BE, AGAIN, AS EARLY AS 2025.
UM, IF, UH, IF WE'RE ABLE TO BRING IN CONSTRUCTION MONEY THROUGH THE U-S-D-O-T FLAP PROGRAM, UM, THEY HAVE A GRANT THAT IS ABOUT READY TO PUBLISH ITS NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AND THOSE ARE $25 MILLION MINIMUM PROJECTS FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS, UM, WITH A 15% MATCH.
BUT WHAT I, WHAT I LIKE, I THINK I'VE MENTIONED TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE, WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS GRANT PROGRAM IS WE CAN USE THE VALUE OF THE LAND THAT THE CITY OWNS, UM, THAT WE INTEND TO BUILD THIS FACILITY ON AS PART OF OUR LOCAL MATCH.
AND THAT APPRAISED IT JUST UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO IT'S A GOOD DEAL IF WE CAN GET IT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE WORKS.
AND I DUNNO IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THAT.
I THINK IT'S, OH, BRIAN, SORRY.
THAT, THAT PROJECT IS SORT OF LIKE A, A MOMENT OF TRUTH TYPE OF PROJECT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT, THAT ABSOLUTELY COMMITS US TO A ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS INTEREST LAST WEEK IN HAVING A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT REALLY IS THE STRATEGY FOR A ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM.
WHAT, WHAT LINES, WHAT TIMEFRAMES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD JUST COME IN THE NEXT QUARTERLY, BECAUSE IT WAS, IS THE NEXT QUARTERLY GONNA BE A MORE ROBUST OVERVIEW? IT WOULD BE, YEAH.
SO WOULD, WOULD THAT, WOULD WE, WOULD WE GET THAT AT THAT TIME AS OPPOSED TO ASKING FOR SOMETHING ELSE? IT'S, IT'S AN OPTION, BUT MAYBE ROBERT MIGHT HAVE AN IDEA ON, I'M, I'M A, I'M AVAILABLE.
UM,
I I THINK IT'S AN ALL COUNCIL THING.
THERE'S, THERE'S, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR SIGNIFICANT DECISION MAKING WHEN IT COMES TO A PROJECT LIKE THAT.
AND WE NEED TO BE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BUILD OUT, IF IT'S STILL WHAT WE THINK, ET CETERA.
SO WOULD YOU BE RECOMMENDING WE HOLD THE FEDERAL MONEY THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AND NOT PUBLISH THAT RFQ? I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.
I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS A BIG COMMITMENT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THIS COMMITMENT AND JUST KEEP, YOU KNOW, THIS STILL A SHUTTLE, RIGHT? WHERE IT'S AT WITH ITS CURRENT, UH, LINES BEING RUN, ET CETERA.
I MEAN, THAT IS TO SUPPORT A MUCH BIGGER ENVIRONMENT.
WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THAT.
UH, MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE BUDGET, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND MY NOTES, UM, FROM THE BUDGET WORK SESSIONS LAST WEEK.
AND FOR ROBERT'S BENEFIT, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHAT YET, IS THAT, UM, I HAD WRITTEN DOWN, I BELIEVE THAT YOU WANTED A SPECIFIC TRANSIT WORK SESSION, KIND OF LIKE, WHAT'S THE BIG PICTURE WHERE WE HEADED WITH ALL THIS STUFF? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CLERK.
UM, I JUST HAVE, CAN I GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM COUNCILOR FOLTZ, PLEASE? THIS IS, THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TRANSIT STUDY, OR YOU WANT MORE THAN THE TRANSIT STUDY? NO, I, I DON'T THINK I'M ASKING FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST THE TRANSIT STUDY THAT SAID, TELL US, TELL US WHAT THE PLAN IS, TELL US HOW OKAY, IT SAID THIS ROUTE, AND THEN IF THAT WORKS, WE'LL DO THIS.
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DO THAT.AND IF THAT'S STILL WHAT IT IS, OKAY, THEN GREAT.
IF IT'S CHANGED, WE NEED TO KNOW.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE TRANSIT STUDY.
AND SO, PETE, I WAS CURIOUS BASED ON COUNCILLOR FO'S QUESTION, AND, AND MAYBE IT GOES INTO WHAT WE'VE SUBMITTED TO THE FEDS ABOUT FUNDING FOR THAT FACILITY, BUT WITH THE SHUTTLE SYSTEM, OUR GROWING ELECTRIC FLEET AND THESE OTHER NEEDS, I, I WOULD THINK THAT THERE'S SOME JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT FACILITY, EVEN IF WE DON'T END UP WITH A ROBUST TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
IT COULD THAT BE CORRECT? OR WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE FED MONEY THAT WE'VE GOT SO FAR? THE JUSTIFICATION, UH, IS AS, UH, AS COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON AS STATED IS, IS THE STIP WHICH THEY FUNDED MM-HMM,
UH, SEDONA TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, AKA, THE STIP THAT WAS FEDERALLY FUNDED.
AND SO FEDERAL DOLLAR BUILDS UPON FEDERAL DOLLAR.
SO THEY SAW THAT, THEY SAW OUR APPLICATION FOR THE, UH, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER, WHICH IS TALKED ABOUT IN THE STIP.
UM, WE JUSTIFIED IT FURTHER BY, BY PUTTING, MAKING IT A REGIONAL TRANSIT CENTER, I'M SORRY, TRANSIT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AVAILABLE TO OUR FRIENDS IN COTTONWOOD WHO CLEARLY DON'T HAVE ONE.
AND ALSO THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, WHICH IS A GOOD SELL, UH, CARRYING THE CITY OUT, YOU KNOW, TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, OUR MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS, BUT OUR, BUT OUR OP, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT OPERATIONS, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, 40 TO 50 YEARS OUT WITH THE ADDED BENEFIT OF BRINGING, UM, MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS OR HAVING LOCAL MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS, SKILLED MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS AVAILABLE TO COTTONWOOD AREA TRANSIT AND THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS.
AND WE'VE EVEN EXTENDED THAT TO THE AVA APACHE NATION WHEN THEY NEED HEAVY MAINTENANCE AND THEY NEED SKILLED, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, UH, MECHANICS.
AND SO, I, I GUESS THE ELEMENT OF MY QUESTION HERE, ROBERT, IS IF ANY ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS DOESN'T COME TRUE, DO WE HAVE TO REFUND MONEY TO THE FEDS OR THE FEDS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU GOT GREAT PLANS, THEY DON'T ALWAYS COME TRUE.
COTTONWOOD DOESN'T WANT THEIR SERVICE, OR THE ROBUST TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM LOSES, UH, THE T AT THE END OF IT OR SOMETHING DOESN'T GO ACCORDING TO WHAT WE SUBMITTED.
WHAT'S OUR OBLIGATION RELATIVE TO THE FUNDS? WELL, RIGHT NOW, THE OBLIGATION IS TO SPEND THE 720,000 FEDERAL SHARE ON ENGINEERING AND DESIGN.
THAT'S JUST WHERE IT WILL END WHEN WE COMPLETE THAT.
SO I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT STAFF GOING OUT AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDS, WHICH WOULD NEEDS TO BE DONE WHEN? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE TIED TO THE, UM, THE FUNDING CYCLES AND THE GRANT CYCLES.
SO, AND THIS PARTICULAR GRANT IS ONLY COMES AVAILABLE LIKE EVERY THREE OR FOUR YEARS, AND WE BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE COMING AVAILABLE IN 2025 WILL BE THE NEXT FUNDING CYCLE THAT WILL START.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BIG ONE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM, MINIMUM PROJECTS 25 MILLION, MAXIMUM A HUNDRED MILLION.
AND AGAIN, IF WE COMMITTED TO THE CONSTRUCTION, GOT AN AWARD, COTTONWOOD SAYS, NOW WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENT PLAN.
NOW THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION OR THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS WALKS AWAY.
WE DON'T NEED TO PAY MONEY BACK TO THE FED.
NO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR OPERATIONS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE THING IS, IS WHEN YOU'RE GONNA USE, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL MONEY FOR, OR ANY MONEY, AND YOU, YOU, YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW THIS FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, YOU HAVE TO USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SO, YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T EVEN GONE THROUGH ENGINEERING AND DESIGN YET.
WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT A SCALED DOWN FACILITY, WHICH I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO, UM, SUPPORT A CITY FOR 50 YEARS, LET'S BUILD IT IN TODAY'S MONEY VERSUS TOMORROW'S.
UM, WE'VE, I'VE GONE THROUGH THAT BEFORE THAT ARGUMENT BEFORE IN, I WON'T SAY IN MY FORMER, MY FORMER FORMER LIFE.
SO THOSE ARE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WE COULD PERHAPS HAVE IN OUR WORKSHOP.
SO I, I THINK IN, IN, IN GENERAL, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF THE PRESSURE OFF.
I THINK THE FUNDING OF THE FACILITY, ESPECIALLY PURSUING THE FED MONIES IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL BEING COMFORTABLE WITH THAT WORKSHOP IDEA AND THE WHOLE FUTURE OF THE ROBUST SYSTEM.
ANYTHING ELSE? UM, JESSICA, YOU, I DID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALWAYS THE PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE A PROJECT LIKE TRANSIT,
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WHICH IS, GOES OVER FOUR OR FIVE POLITICAL THROUGH FOUR OR FIVE POLITICAL BODIES OVER TIME, EACH OF WHICH THINKS IT HAS TO GO BACK AND, AND REVIEW AND KIND OF VET THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.IT'S JUST, IT'S A FIVE YEAR PROJECT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HOPING THAT, I'M HOPING THAT YOU WON'T RELIVE SOME OF THOSE EXPERIENCES YOU'VE HAD IN YOUR, BUT SINCE YOU'VE HAD THOSE EXPERIENCES, IT'S CLEAR TO ME MM-HMM.
I'M THINKING OF THE VERDE CONNECT.
SO I GUESS IT'S INEVITABLE MAKES ME SAD, BUT I GUESS IT'S INEVITABLE.
I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS AND TO SORT OF HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO DIRECT WHAT CAN BE DONE AT THIS STAGE.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR REVIEW.
I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT AT ALL.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DIFFICULT IN THESE KINDS OF, IN THESE KINDS OF ENVIRONMENTS.
AND I'M, I'M SURE THIS COUNCIL WILL DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING, WHATEVER THAT TURNS OUT TO BE.
BRIAN, YOU WANNA FOLLOW UP OR CLOSE? I DON'T THINK I NEED TO DO THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US MOVE ALONG.
NO, IT'S NO, UM, NO CHANGE HERE.
THIS HAS BEEN PUT IN THE PARKING LOT, UM, UNTIL WE REALLY SEE WHAT OUR, OUR FUTURE SYSTEM WILL LOOK LIKE, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW IT'LL BE FUNDED.
UM, SO IF I CAN MOVE ON FROM THIS SLIDE.
UM, AND I THINK, YEAH, A LITTLE, JUST A LITTLE BIT ON GRANT FUNDING.
THIS IS SPECIFICALLY, UH, THROUGH THE FTA SINCE THE CITY BE BEGAN, ITS TRANSIT PROGRAM.
WE, WE BROUGHT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN TWO, 2 MILLION IN FEDERAL.
UM, AND WE'RE, WE ARE, WE'VE REQUESTED ABOUT ANOTHER 300,000 FOR ADMINISTRATION AND PLANNING, WHICH WE'RE STILL AWAITING ON THAT AWARD.
WE'LL GET SOMETHING BACK ON THAT.
BUT, SO WE'RE STILL MAKING PROGRESS TO, TO, TO LOWER THE CITY'S SUBSIDY, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THIS PROGRAM.
SO IS THIS RORO, ROBERT, IS THIS BETTER THAN YOU THOUGHT? IS THIS GOOD FOR A STARTUP SYSTEM? IS IT NO.
EXCELLENT FOR A STARTUP SYSTEM? NO.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN IN OTHER PLACES.
AND THIS HAS, THIS IS NOTHING, THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION ON SEDONA AT ALL.
SEDONA NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, PUT ITSELF OUT THERE.
FRONT AND CENTER IS A SELF-HELP CITY.
UM, THIS IS AT THE STATE AND THIS IS AT THE COUNTIES.
UM, BUT WE CAN EXPLORE THAT MORE IN OUR WORKSHOP.
THIS LOOKS GOOD TO ME, NOT KNOWING WHAT FEDERAL DOLLARS, THE REALITY OF FEDERAL DOLLARS, BUT CONGRATS ON IT THAT, YEAH.
WELL THAT WAS, THAT STARTED WITH KAREN AND SHE HANDED ME THE TORCH, SO WE'RE STILL PLUGGING AWAY AT IT.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT PILE WILL GET BIGGER OVER TIME.
SO I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND COUNSEL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ADOT HAS BEEN HEAVILY CRITICIZED BY FEDERAL HIGHWAYS BY HOW FAR ARIZONA, THE STATE, AND THE WHOLE IS BEHIND ON MMS ON MULTIMODAL SYSTEMS. AND THAT, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHY THE FEDS ARE GONNA VERY BE ENCOURAGING FOR WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR EFFORTS.
KEEP IN MIND EVERY STATE DOLLAR THAT'S INVESTED IN, YOU KNOW, SAY PUBLIC TRANSIT, THE CITY CAN USE THAT STATE MONEY TO LEVERAGE FEDERAL, FEDERAL MONEY
SO IT'S, ANYWAY, WE, WE CAN GO INTO THAT IN MORE DETAIL.
THAT WAS, I THINK MY LAST SLIDE, AND I, YOU KNOW, HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? VICE MAYOR IS THE REASON THAT ARIZONA IS NOT RECEIVING ITS FAIR SHARE OF THE POT BECAUSE OF A HOSTILE LEGISLATURE TOWARDS TRANSIT? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD GO THAT FAR.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT TRANSIT HAS BEEN A PRIORITY, PRIORITY BACKING UP.
THE STATE OF ARIZONA HEAVILY RELIES ON FEDERAL MONEY TO MAINTAIN ITS HIGHWAYS, ITS STREETS, OR MAY SAY ITS HIGHWAYS.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 60% OR 70% OF THE FUNDING COMING INTO THE, UH, INTO OUR HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
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I CAN LOOK UP THE ARTICLE AND SHARE IT WITH YOU THROUGH ANNETTE, I JUST READ IT, UM, IS FEDERAL MONEY BECAUSE THE STATE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING TO ENGINEER A NEW FUNDING STREAM IN THE LAST 40 YEARS TO TRY TO KEEP UP.SO THAT PUTS PUBLIC TRANSIT LIKE WAY DOWN HERE BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FUND OUR HIGHWAYS.
SO I THINK IT'S MAY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU SUGGESTED, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE'RE, UH, NOT ONLY TO KURTZ POINT HAS, HAS, HAS, UH, ARIZONA BEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, CRITICIZED FOR FALLING BEHIND MANY OTHER STATES, UH, IN MULTIMODAL, UM, PROJECTS.
UM, WE'VE NOW FALLEN BEHIND NEW MEXICO, UM, WHO'S PUT IN EXTENSIVE, UM, INVESTMENT IN MULTIMODAL, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE PUBLIC TRANSIT AND WALKABILITY AND ALL OF THOSE, THE COMPLETE STREETS AS WE CALL IT, UM, PROJECTS.
THIS IS ALL BECAUSE THE STATE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING TO ADJUST THE HF THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUNDS FOR 30 YEARS.
SO IN MY UNDERSTANDING, THE FEDERAL HIGHWAYS IS, IS AT ITS LIMIT, AND NOW IT'S ACTUALLY RESTRICTING ADOS FUNDING FOR HIGHWAY INTERSTATE, UM, MODIFICATIONS AT UNTIL THEY CATCH UP WITH MULTIMODAL.
SO THAT'S THE, THE FEDERAL STATE, UH, ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK US MOVING FORWARD LIKE THIS, IS, THIS, IS THAT LEVERAGE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THE STATE'S TRYING TO LEVERAGE WHAT SEDONAS TRYING TO DO, BUT THIS IS A BIGGER ISSUE STATEWIDE.
UH, ROBERT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IT WAS ALWAYS A EXCITING TIME FOR US TO LEARNED ABOUT THE OVER THE SHUTTLE AND, UH, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE FIRST BUS LAND HERE.
ALL READY TO GO AND TRICKED OUT.
NEXT WE HAVE OUR, UH, PARKING GARAGE AND BOB WILL COME UP WITH OUR PROJECT MANAGER.
MAYOR COUNCIL, GLAD TO BE HERE.
UH, I'LL START OFF WITH A CONVERSATION RELATIVE TO THE SIM THREE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE.
UH, BY WAY OF STATUS, THE DESIGN ON THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE NEARING COMPLETION, WE ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE COMPLETED BY THIS MAY.
THE CMAR HAS BEEN ACTIVELY REVIEWING OUR PROJECT PLANS, COORDINATING VALUE ENGINEERING ITEMS, AND SOLICITING BIDS FROM THE PROSPECTIVE SUBCONTRACTORS FOR A FINAL GMP.
AND WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH THE CMAR AND THE ARCHITECT ON A NUMBER OF VALUE ENGINEERING ITEMS TO BRING THAT COST IN LINE WITH WHERE WE NEED IT.
THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD IS ANTICIPATED TO TAKE ROUGHLY 10 TO 14 MONTHS, ASSUMING A JULY NOTICE TO PROCEED DATE.
THE EARLIEST COMPLETION DATE WOULD BE JULY, 2025.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PHOTO PLEASE? I, WHAT ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE LIGHTS? WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT'S STICKING OUT OF THE TOP THERE? NUMBERS, NUMBERS ON, OH, THANK GOD.
IT'S A LITTLE CLEAR ON THE SCREEN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YEAH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE GARAGE? SO JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA SEE THE, THE NEXT STEP OF THIS PROJECT AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM NEXT MONTH, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND SO IN, IN OUR MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, OR ONE IN PARTICULAR, UH, WITH ANNETTE AND ANDY AROUND, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY TO, UH, COUR LIKE THE POLICE SUBSTATION FOR VISITOR MANAGEMENT, VISITOR SUPPORT, AKA, A POSSIBLE VISITOR CENTER, IF THAT'S WHERE OUR TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD MIGHT MAKE A SUGGESTION FOR MAINTAINING A UPTOWN LOCATION AS A, FOR INSTANCE.
SO JUST KIND OF WANTED THAT TO BE OUT THERE AS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND WHETHER THERE ARE ANY CONSIDERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT WOULD BE BEST THOUGHT ABOUT NOW VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS OR 12 MONTHS FROM NOW.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS BETTER FOR THE MEETING
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IN MAY, BUT WHEN COUNSEL DID PROVIDE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROJECT LAST, THERE WERE SEVERAL CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FROM COUNSEL THAT INCLUDED A PLAN FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING PLAN FOR UTILIZING PARKING TECHNOLOGY.THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY ADDRESSED LAST WEEK DURING OUR BUDGET SESSIONS.
UH, PLANS FOR ADDRESSING, UH, PARKING ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN UPTOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'LL BE LOOKING FOR AN UPDATE ON WHERE ARE WE EITHER IN, YOU KNOW, PLANS OR PLANS TO FULFILL THOSE PLANS AND HAVE A, SOME EXECUTION INTENDED THAT IS SUPPOSED TO GO ALONG WITH BUILDING THIS GARAGE.
SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF A, JUST A HEADS UP ABOUT EXPECTATIONS FOR MAY 14TH.
I JUST WANNA SEE IF ANY, AND DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT AT ALL OR ANDY, ABOUT THE PARKING MANAGER? WOULD HE TAKE TAKING SOME OF THAT ON? SO, SO YEAH, WE ARE PLANNING ON PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION ON THE 14TH OF MAY.
MELISSA, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON WHAT COUNSELOR FR JUST SAID, UM, I BELIEVE, AND PERHAPS I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, WE WEREN'T SAYING THAT EMPLOYEE PARKING WOULD BE IN THE GARAGE.
WE SAID EMPLOYEE PARKING WOULD NOT BE IN THE GARAGE, BUT WE PROBABLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT, WHERE EMPLOYER EMPLOYEES WERE GOING TO PARK.
UM, AND THAT COULD BE WHATEVER.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WAS CLARITY HERE THAT WE WEREN'T SAYING THAT, THAT THE GARAGE WAS FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING.
IT IS NOT FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING.
I JUST WANTED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SAID IT WILL NOT BE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, BUT IT WAS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED BY A PARKING MANAGER AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN WOULD BE EXACTLY.
I DON'T THINK IT ANYTHING WAS ELIMINATED.
UH, IT'S, UH, THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE PACKAGE OF WHERE WILL IT BE? WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHERE IT WILL BE, HOW WILL THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS BE IMPACTED, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA AS WELL AS PAID VERSUS FREE.
IT'S ALL UP IN THE AIR, BUT I BELIEVE IT, UH, ANNETTE, ANDY IS GONNA BE REALLY WITH THE PARKING MANAGER TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL.
SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO DESIGNATE PARKING FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE FEE STRUCTURE FOR IT.
SO GIVEN THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, I I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE SOME, A PLACE THAT EMPLOYEES WILL WANT TO PARK.
JESSICA, I JUST WANT TO, UM, SAY THAT MY RECOLLECTION IS WHAT THE MAYOR'S RECOLLECTION IS THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO ADAMANTLY DID NOT WANT EMPLOYEES PARKED THERE.
BUT I THINK THAT STAFF WAS TASKED WITH COMING TO US WITH A PLAN.
NOT ONE THAT'S, WE DID NOT SAY THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE, THAT EXCLUDES EMPLOYEE PARKING FROM THE GARAGE.
YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE PART OF THE PLAN.
THAT'S THE WHOLE WE NEED TO PLAN.
I'LL WITHHOLD FURTHER COMMENT UNTIL THE 14TH OF MAY.
THIS IS MY, ONE OF MY FAVORITE ONES.
SO, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, SIM FOUR C PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK, WE ARE APPROXIMATELY 60% COMPLETE.
MOST OF THE MAJOR CONSTRUCTION ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS FOR THE, UH, RETAINING WALL ARE COMPLETE.
I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THOSE THROUGH THAT VIDEO CAST BEFOREHAND.
UH, THE CONTRACTOR IS CURRENTLY FOCUSED ON THE INFIELD WORK THAT INCLUDES THE HARDSCAPE DECORATIVE FEATURES AS WELL AS THE FLAT WORK SUCH AS THE SIDEWALK, SOME OF THE PAINTING, LIGHT LIGHTING, ET CETERA.
WE WERE DELAYED AS A RESULT OF THE FLOOD THAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST 23, A FEW MONTHS.
SO OUR SCHEDULE WAS PUSHED FORWARD QUITE A BIT HERE THREE MONTHS TO, UH, THE FIRST PART OF JULY, 2024.
JUST A COMMENT, IT WAS NICE IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION THAT HAD THE DRONE FLY OVER THAT, THAT YOU COULD REALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT TAKING SHAPE, YOU KNOW, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
SO I, I THINK THAT WAS REALLY, UM, HELPFUL FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN AND VISITED THE AREA.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY NICE TO SEE.
WHEN YOU SAY JUNE, 2024, IS THAT GONNA BE DONE? DONE ARTWORK WILL BE IN PLACE OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SOFT OPENING AND THEN A ACTUAL, UH, MAIN OPENING.
WE, WE SHOULD BE DONE JULY 9TH.
THAT'S THE CURRENT SCHEDULE PREDICTION.
UM, BARRING THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER DELAYS ON THE PROJECT.
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UM, AS FAR AS AN OPENING, GRAND OPENING, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY NICE FOR THE PROJECT AND, UH, FOR THE, UH, COUNSELORS TO BE INVOLVED IN.SO I THINK WE SHOULD PLAN FOR ONE.
AND THEN, UM, HOW SOON AFTER THAT IS DONE? UH, JUNE 9TH.
YOU SAID WILL THE ADOT STUDY GO, BEGIN, SAID JULY 9TH, RIGHT? JULY 9TH, YES.
HE'S TRYING TO GO A SLIP ON IT.
WE'LL, WE'LL PLAN FOR A TEST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT I UNDERSTAND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED BY OUR PERMIT TO DO MULTIPLE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
RIGHT? UM, IT'S TOO BAD WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE A TEST OVER JULY 4TH WEEKEND,
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT LABOR DAY AND WE'LL DEFINITELY START PLANNING IT RIGHT AWAY.
WELL ALSO, WON'T YOU HAVE, UH, CHRISTMAS TO NEW YEAR'S? WE'LL HAVE THAT TOO.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN REALLY CRAZY THERE AT THE SAME TIME, NOT TO MENTION THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING AND ALL THAT, SO.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.
MOVING ON TO SIM FIVE B FOREST ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
WE ARE APPROXIMATELY 45% COMPLETE.
THAT, UH, BASICALLY REFLECTS MOST OR NEARLY ALL OF THE HEAVY EARTH WORK ON THE PROJECT HAS BEEN MOVED AND PUT WHERE WE NEED IT.
UH, THE CURRENT FOCUS IS WHAT I'LL CALL PHASE TWO, WHICH IS ON THE RETAINING WALL CONSTRUCTION, THE EXTENSION OF, UH, UTILITIES, SPECIFICALLY THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEMS. AND THAT'LL TAKE ROUGHLY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.
AND THEN WE WILL BEGIN TO, UH, MOVE INTO THE FINAL UTILITY PLACEMENTS, THE FLAT WORK, CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAYS, ET CETERA.
A COUPLE OF PICTURES HERE SHOWN, UH, ON THE PROJECT, WE HAVE THE ROCKERY WALL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE PENMAN PROPERTY.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALSO IN THE LOWER RIGHT, UH, THE WORK CREWS ARE CASTING ACTUALLY THE CONCRETE FOR RETAINING WALL THREE, WHICH IS ALONG THE FOREST ROAD, UH, CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND I THINK THEY'RE TENNIS, TENNIS BALL COURTS.
BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO REFLECT ON THE PROJECT ITSELF AS BEING I THINK PURE SEDONA RAW.
THE MATERIALS ON THIS PROJECT ARE COMING MOSTLY FROM THE SITE, SO WE'VE AVOIDED HAVING TO BRING IN CONCRETE AND STEEL FOR SOME OF OUR RETAINING WALL CONSTRUCTION.
AND IN LIEU THEREOF, WE'RE BUILDING WITH THE NATIVE ROCK THAT WAS EXCAVATED FROM THE SITE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT IS A HUGE SU SUSTAINABILITY THING FOR SEDONA.
UM, SECONDLY, WE'VE GOT SOME COST SAVINGS ON THIS PROJECT.
WE ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THE EXCAVATOR ROCK AND NOT HAVE TO PUT IN A RETAINING POST.
SO THAT'S A HUGE COST SAVINGS FOR US.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT MARCH, 2025 FOR A COMPLETION DATE.
AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I JUST HAVE ONE CAN, CAN, UH, THIS WILL BE FOR ANDY AND ANNETTE.
COULD WE GET SOME, SOME OF THOSE PHOTOS FROM THE PRESENTATION EARLIER TO GO OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO GIVE AN UPDATE TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? BECAUSE WE STILL GET A FEW EMAILS AND CALLS, LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S KIND OF OBVIOUS.
THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY OR? YES.
SO IF THAT COULD BE IN, UH, UH, LAWRENCE QUEUE OR KEEGAN'S QUEUE.
SEPARATE SOCIAL SOCIAL MEDIA BUS.
EVEN IF WE COULD DO THAT VIDEO, THAT, THAT WAS PRETTY COOL.
I, I'M JUST, I'M NOT SURE IF THE SIZE OF THAT WILL WORK, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK AND SEE.
YEAH, THEY, THEY COULD DO PRETTY COOL THINGS.
SO MAYBE A CLIP OF IT OR SOMETHING.
JUST SOMETHING TO UPDATE THE COMMUNITY AND EVEN THE, THE, UH, UH, SOME PHOTOS OF THE UNDERPASS WOULD BE GOOD TOO.
JOHN, YOU WANT TO BOTH TOPICS SINCE YOU'VE BEEN SWORN INVOLVED? UH, YES.
UM, ANDREW ALREADY SPOKE QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE UPTOWN JOB.
I DON'T WANT TO, UH, BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT, UH, I WOULD ADD THAT THIS IS PRACTICAL
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COMPLETION.UH, ON MARCH 1ST, AS HE SAID, WHAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO AND WHAT IS STILL IN THE BUDGET AND IN OUR CONTRACT WITH OUR, WITH OUR COMBS CONTRACTOR IS TO, UH, UM, MILL OUT THE ENTIRE UPTOWN FROM NORTH OF, UH, JORDAN ROAD TO OSBY ROUNDABOUT.
WE WE'RE GONNA RE, WE'RE GONNA MILL OUT ALL OF THAT OR ENTER NOT ALL OF IT, BUT ALL OF THE BAD PATCHES AND REFILL IT WITH, UH, THREE INCHES OF, OF AC UH, EARLY NEXT WEEK, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, UH, A BUNCH OF CORINGS IN NORTHBOUND AND IN THE SOUTHBOUND AREA OF NORTH OF, UH, OF UPTOWN TO, UH, DETERMINE IF THREE INCHES OF MILL AND THREE INCHES OF OVERLAY IS, IS REASONABLE.
IT MAY BE ONLY TWO INCHES IS REQUIRED, IN WHICH CASE WE'D GET A CREDIT BACK FROM WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE CONTRACTED WITH, WITH COMBS.
AND THEN WE WANT TO DO, UH, WITH THAT MONEY IF, IF INDEED IT EXISTS, WE WANNA DO SOUTHBOUND, UH, A LOT OF, UH, ALLIGATOR CRACKING IN THE SOUTHBOUND AREAS AS WELL.
AND WE WANT TO, UH, WE, WE JUST SCOPED THAT OUT, UH, TWO DAYS AGO.
AND, UH, IF WE DON'T GET A CREDIT FROM THE, UH, THE TESTING WE DO ON THE CORES, WE, WE, WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER MONEY THAT WE CAN, UH, UH, UM, BALANCE TRANSFER OVER AND GET THAT DONE THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND ALL THAT'S HAPPENING AFTER OUR PEAK SEASON, WHICH IS KIND OF OVER, BUT WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL JUNE TO DO ALL THAT WORK.
THAT WHOLE EFFORT IS TO TRY TO COMPREHENSIVELY DO AS MUCH WORK AS POSSIBLE IN UPTOWN SO WE'RE NOT CREATING A DISTURBANCE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO WE HAVE THOSE HIGHER TEMPERATURES IN THE EVENING.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BE A BIG OUTREACH TO THE BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY THE HOTELS, THE HOSPITALITIES, AND LET 'EM KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE.
IT'S COORDINATING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONTRACTOR.
BUT THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA JUST TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS DONE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, PART OF THAT TOO IS, UM, WE WE'RE, WE'RE BEEN ASKED TO DO, UM, BOX OUT ON THE ANGLED PARKING ON THE SOUTHBOUND, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH TRAILERS, RVS THAT ARE STICKING OUT INTO THAT SOUTHBOUND.
SO WE'RE INCORPORATING ALL THESE TYPE OF REQUESTS AND IMPROVEMENTS, UM, BY THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE FUNDS TO DO THAT AS WELL.
UM, JUST TO GIVE US TIME BECAUSE WEATHER, UM, TEMPERATURES, EQUIPMENT, ALL THAT STUFF.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER PARTS NOW THAT WE'RE BRINGING THE CONTRACTORS, BRINGING IN ALL THIS HOT ASPHALT.
IF WE CAN DO OTHER MILL FILL PATCHES.
WE'VE HAD ISSUES NOW WITH RODEO, UH, UM, POSSE GROUND, UM, WAS IT RODEO, RIGHT? UM, FOR THE MILL FILL THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT ON OUR PAID, OH, UH, SOLDIERS' PASS.
IT WAS SOLDIERS' PASS, EXCUSE ME.
SO IN THAT REGARDS, WE WERE GETTING POLITE.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE KIND OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH US TO LOOK AT ACTUALLY WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE CITY AS WE'RE BRINGING IN ALL THIS ASPHALT TO TRY TO GIVE AS MUCH POSSIBLE WE CAN, BECAUSE AS YOU PURCHASE MORE HOT ASPHALT, THE VOLUME PRICE GOES DOWN PER TON.
AND THESE ARE THESE LITTLE TINY VALUE ADDED THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET WITH THE PROJECT.
SO I JUST GOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT SOLDIER PASSED TODAY, I THINK YESTERDAY GAVE IT TO ANDY SO THAT IT, IT, THAT'S, YOU'RE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY UP AND AROUND CIRCLE.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA ASSESS THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO SEE IF WE'RE GONNA GET THE BEST VALUE AS POSSIBLE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL LETTING YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE METRICS OF WHAT WE CAN DO, UM, TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH DONE AS POSSIBLE WHILE WE'RE IN THIS PAVING SEASON.
KURT, CAN YOU JUST REMIND ME BECAUSE IT NORTHBOUND WAS DONE FIVE YEARS AGO? YES.
AND WHY THAT'S HAS TO BE REDONE.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED IT AND, UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, BECAUSE, UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY I THINK WILL ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SAYING IT'S ALWAYS A BAD TIME, EVEN IF, EVEN IF IT'S NIGHT.
BUT THAT PROJECT WAS PRETTY COOL.
I THINK ANDY, WELL, HE WAS IN HIS PRIOR POSITION, GOT IT DONE 30 DAYS EARLY.
SO YEAH, AND IT'S THE SAME ASPECT.
WE'RE GOING TO NOT DO THE WHOLE POINT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.
SO IF THERE'S ANY PAVEMENT DETERIORATION AND WE HAVE THIS HOT ASPHALT AND IT'S ALREADY THERE, IT'S BEST TO GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THAT AND REPLACE IT.
IT MIGHT BE A ONE INCH, TWO INCH, WHAT WE KNOW, UM, LIKE RIGHT AT APPLE ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE, THERE'S THIS BIG, UM, DEPARTURE, UH, OF PAYMENT.
WE'RE GONNA PLANE THAT OUT AND WE'RE JUST GONNA SMOOTH THINGS OUT, DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
A LOT OF THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN MMS THAT'S A SLURRY SEAL THAT WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE
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WITH A PROJECT, UPTOWN'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A, A BRAND NEW PROJECT.LIKE WE PAVED BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
UM, BUT WE DIDN'T, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SPOT REPAIRING TO, I I I, I THINK WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS BEFORE IS IF WE JUST PAVED IT FIVE YEARS AGO, WHY AREN'T WE REPAVING? UM, ESPECIALLY THE FULL AREA GEORGIA PAST HAS BEEN IS, I MEAN, BIG HALF INCH CRACKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, WELL, PART PART OF, UH, THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UM, FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THE WORK THAT THAT OCCURRED AT THAT TIME, THERE WERE SEGMENTS THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED.
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE IN PRETTY HIGH FAILURE AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW AND, AND DIRE NEED OF BEING ADDRESSED, UM, MUCH WORSE THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AT SOLDIER PASS ROAD, FOR INSTANCE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE SEGMENTS ON BOTH NORTHBOUND SIDE AND SOUTHBOUND SIDE.
AND TO KURT'S POINT, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THERE ADDRESSING PORTIONS OF BOTH NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND, IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE FULL SEGMENT THROUGHOUT.
ANYTHING ON SIDE TO SIDE ICE MAIL? I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK THIS IS, BUT ALSO I'LL ASK IT NOW.
WE GOT A EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT, WHICH I'LL READ.
YOU ALL HAVE IT, BUT I'LL READ IT.
IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT A FEW OTHERWISE HEALTHY SEDONA RESIDENTS HAVE ACQUIRED SUDDEN CASES OF RESPIRATORY ILLNESS, ASTHMA, AND CONFIRMED VALLEY FEVER.
GIVEN THE NUMBER OF MAJOR EARTH WORK CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS GOING ON CONCURRENTLY AND OR CONSECUTIVELY.
I'M WONDERING IF THERE ARE ANY MEASURES IN PLACE TO EVALUATE AIR QUALITY AND PROTECT RESIDENTS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AIR QUALITY TESTING IN, IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO, I'M ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF RESPONDING TO THAT EMAIL.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, COMPONENTS OF OUR PROJECT THAT DO ADDRESS AIR QUALITY THAT ARE REQUIRED OF OUR CONTRACTS.
LIKE, AND, AND THE EMAIL ACTUALLY ALLUDES TO IT AS LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, UM, APPLYING WATER TO CONTROL DUST AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO WE'LL CERTAINLY GET WITH OUR PROJECT MANAGERS AND INSPECTORS AND ENSURE THAT THOSE MEASURES ARE TAKEN NOT ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, BUT YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT OF BEING AS EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE, UH, TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
THE OTHER THING IS, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SOUTHBOUND, OR I'M SORRY, NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOW SUBSTANTIALLY, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE.
SO PART OF THE CURRENT CONCERN HAD TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IS NOW COMPLETE.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENT LIVES IN THE MIDDLE OF UPTOWN AND UH, WE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE A STORM DRAINAGE PROJECT RIGHT.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO AIR QUALITY, I KNOW HER CONCERN WAS RELATED TO NOT JUST HERSELF BUT THE RESIDENTS OF UPTOWN.
BUT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S IN PROCESS AND THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS JUST ENSURE THAT THOSE FINISH IT AND ENSURE THAT THOSE MEASURES ARE BEING COMPLETED.
SO PROBABLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DISCUSSION OF THE PARKING GARAGE AS WELL.
THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME DIGGING AND DIRT AND IN THE AIR IT WILL, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DURATION OF THAT PROJECT IS, UM, AS BOB ALLUDED TO EARLIER, YOU KNOW, UP TO 14 MONTHS.
BUT THE EARTHWORK PORTION OF THAT IS JUST A FRACTION OF IT.
I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A FAIRLY RELATIVELY SMALL FOOTPRINT OF A PROJECT COMPARED TO LIKE FOREST ROAD FOR INSTANCE.
I DIDN'T READ THE PARTS WHERE SHE PRAISES YOU, BUT SHE DOES.
I DON'T NEED EMBARRASSMENT TODAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE MOVE ON.
SO MOVE PA BEYOND, UH, PAVEMENT.
THIS IS OUR SIM FIVE D THE BREWER RANGER INTERSECTION.
AS JOHN JUST MENTIONED, WE HAD ANDREW TALK ABOUT THIS.
I PUT THESE, UH, PHOTOS TOGETHER SO YOU CAN KIND OF JUST SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN.
WE'RE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, TRY TO GET THE BEST OF PROJECT VALUE FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL, AND THAT THE FEMA FLOOD PERMIT IS IN FINAL COMPLETION THROUGH COO COUNTY.
ONCE THAT'S DONE AND THERE RESOLVES ISSUES, IT'LL GO TO FEMA.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS, AND THEN IT SHOULD ALSO ADD THAT JOHN BROUGHT UP, WHEN THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, WE WILL EXTEND RANGER OUT TO
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89 A SO IT WOULD CONNECT, WHICH IS NOT JUST GONNA END LIKE WHERE IT'S AT HERE.SO YES, KATHY, UH, CAN I JUST POINT OUT THAT THE, UM, WORDING HERE CONTINUES TO USE TRANSIT HUB LOCATION, WHEREAS WE'VE CHANGED IT IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS? YOU'LL SEE IT'S RIDE EXCHANGE AND I THINK THAT'S JUST CONFUSING TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, IF WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE AND THEY STILL THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING COMING IN HERE BEYOND WHAT IS ACTUALLY PROPOSED AND WHAT IS PROPOSED IS ACTUALLY ON HOLD AT THE MOMENT AS WELL UNTIL THE OTHER PARTS OF THE PLAN ARE, ARE, ARE DETERMINED AND DEVELOPED.
SO I I I JUST NEED, I THINK WE, UH, I'D LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT SO WE COULD GET CONSISTENT IN THIS, IN OUR MESSAGING SO WE'RE NOT CONFUSING THE PUBLIC.
AND ALSO, UM, A FOLLOW UP, SINCE THE RIDE EXCHANGE IS WAITING FOR INFORMATION FROM THE REST OF THE PLANS THAT ARE COMING, THIS WOULD BE MOVING AHEAD ANYWAY.
THIS IS ANOTHER CRITICAL ELEMENT OF THE SIM PROGRAM TO BYPASS THE Y RIGHT.
AND THIS IS THE WHOLE REASON TO, UH, ALLEVIATE THAT EASTBOUND TRAFFIC INTO THE Y AND REMOVING BREWER, WHICH IS CREATING CONGESTION INTO THE Y ENGRAVING THAT GAP WE NEED IN THE, UM, IN THE ROUNDABOUTS TO ALLOW THOSE LEFT HAND TURN MOVEMENTS.
I I JUST THINK IT WAS ALSO IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS TIED INTO THE RIDE EXCHANGE BY THE LANGUAGE AND IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT IT'S A STANDALONE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE BENEFITS THAT IT'S, UH, ANTICIPATED TO PROVIDE.
SO JUST TO GO FURTHER SOUTH FROM HERE, THE, WHICH WOULD HELP I THINK, AND UH, WAS DISCUSSED WAS THE MERGE RIGHT TURN FROM RANGER TO 1 79.
IS THAT STILL MOVING FORWARD? YES.
AND UH, AND IN ANDREW'S PRESENTATION, IF YOU SEE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING, UM, ADOT, THE NORTH CENTRAL DISTRICT FLAGSTAFF, TO SEE IF THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN, UM, TAKING THAT PROJECT AS A DISTRICT MINOR SINCE IT'S SUCH A SMALLER PROJECT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO WORK WITHIN AN ADOT TO SEE IF THEY WOULD PAY FOR AND MANAGE THAT PROJECT AS THE METERING IN THE Y SO WE'RE SIMULTANEOUSLY ENGAGING A O THAT WOULD ALSO HELP WITH THE MERGE.
YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL PART OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT, ONCE THIS IS GET, UH, UH, DESIGNED AND WE'RE MOVING TO CONSTRUCTION, WE'LL QUICKLY CHANGE INTO PUSHING THAT.
SO THIS PRO, THAT PROJECT IS DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY OR CONSECUTIVELY TO THIS PROJECT.
AND ALSO MAYOR, REMEMBER THAT PART OF THAT IS OF THE FUTURE EXCHANGE, THE RIGHT EXCHANGE.
WE WANT A LEFT HAND TURN OF A LIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION FOR TRANSIT ONLY GOING NORTHBOUND, I'M SORRY, A LIGHT WHERE IT WOULD BE A METERED LIGHT FOR TRANSIT ONLY TO GIVE THEM, TO STOP THAT SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC TO ALLOW THE TRANSIT, BUT TO GET TO THAT RIDE EXCHANGE.
AND THAT WAS THAT ALL THAT FACILITATING THIS DESIGN IS COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.
AND THIS IS COMING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU HAD SOMETHING.
I JUST SLIGHTLY RAISED AN EYEBROW.
JUST ATTACHING ALL THOSE KEY FEATURES.
IT'S THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT THAT.
WELL, YEAH, AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING TO THE PACKET.
THE DESIGN IS 100% COMPLETE WITH THIS ONGOING DISCUSSIONS TO IMPROVE PROJECT VALUE AS SOON AS THESE VALUE ADDED EFFORTS ARE FINALIZED, DESIGN CONTRACT WILL BE NEGOTIATED AND PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL LATER THIS SPRING.
WHAT YEAR? IT DOESN'T SAY, IT DOESN'T SAY 2024.
RIGHT? THIS, SO THIS WAS WRITTEN IN THE FUTURE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, IT'S PLAIN CHESS, RIGHT? AND TRYING TO FIGURE THE MOVES.
IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD HAVE A, HAVE IT DIALED IN BETTER FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND NOW HERE'S OUR SIM FIVE A, THE PORTAL BREWER CONNECTION.
I'M ACTIVELY ENGAGING WITH THE LANDOWNERS.
I'VE, UH, SENT EASE EMAILS OUT, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M HOPING TO GET, UH, THIS HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER.
IT'S JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, IN COMPETING PRIORITIES IS JUST GETTING THE TIME TO ENGAGE WITH THEM.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE TO LOCK UP HOCKEY, IT'S ALSO THE, UM, HEART STORE AND SO ON SO THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS PORTAL AND, AND TO GET THEIR BUY-IN AND GET THEM TOTALLY ON BOARD.
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ANDY, IS THIS THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT? YOU THOUGHT THAT THE EMAIL THAT WE RECEIVED YESTERDAY WAS PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSING AND NOT THE, THE CIRCLE? THAT'S CORRECT.YEAH, AND I'VE SHARED THAT THE, UH, THE EMPLOYEE PARKING FROM BREWER INTO THAT WITH THE LANDOWNER AND SO ON.
SO IT'S JUST NOW TO FOLLOW UP, GET THE WALK AND TALK, KICK THE DIRT AND, UM, GET INTO THE DETAILS.
AND NOW WE GOT SIM 11, SANDY, WITH OUR SHARED USE PATH.
I'VE ONLY GOT ONE SLIDE REALLY.
ANYWAY, SO GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS WITH THE, OOPS, WHERE'D IT GO? THERE WE GO.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL SHARED USE PATHS THAT WE'VE, UH, UM, ACCOMPLISHED AND I WAS ABLE TO GET THAT GREAT PHOTO OF THE MOTHER-DAUGHTER JOGGING ON, UH, RANGER STATION PARK.
OUR NEW PATH OUT THERE, EVEN THOUGH THE PARK IS STILL, WE'RE DOING SOME FINAL TOUCHES, UM, PEOPLE ARE USING THOSE PATHS AND WALKING THROUGH.
UM, SO DRY CREEK, I KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE THAT HAS KIND OF STALLED RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN PROCESS.
UM, WE'RE DOING AN ADJUSTMENT ON WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE PINCH POINT, WHICH IS A SHARP BEND, RIGHT WHERE THERE'S A DROP OFF AND WHERE, UH, DRY CREEK GOES THROUGH, UH, NATIONAL FOREST.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO THERE'S ROOM TO CONTINUE THE SHARED USE PASS.
SO THAT'S A, A CRITICAL PIECE.
AND THEN, UH, CONTINUE SOUTH ON DRY CREEK.
SO THAT'LL START ROLLING HERE EARLY.
OTHER THAN THAT, WHAT WE'VE GOT COMING DOWN THE PIKE IS, UM, ON DANTE.
I CONTINUE TO DO, UM, OUTREACH AND MEET WITH NEIGHBORS.
UH, KURT AND I AGAIN, MET WITH SOMEONE LAST YESTERDAY, AND THERE'LL BE SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH ON THAT.
RIGHT NOW WITH THE BUDGET WE'VE GOT, UH, SUMMER 25.
AND SO CONSTRUCTION IS, IS PUSHED BACK A BIT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY SIX MONTHS OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH JUST TO FINISH UP THE PLANS, FINE TUNE THE PLANS AND MOVE AHEAD.
WE'RE STILL AT ONLY NEEDING POSSIBLY TWO EASEMENTS AND IT'S JUST CLIPPING SOME OF THE PROPERTIES SO IT WON'T AFFECT ANYTHING.
IT ALSO HAS STORM DRAIN IN IT.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SIX MONTHS WORTH OF OUTREACH MM-HMM,
WHAT EXACTLY DOES WE'D LIKE TO, BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO RAMP UP SOME OUTREACH WITH FUTURE PROJECTS.
I'M NOT SAYING ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT IT, THIS WOULD BE, WELL I'VE HAD SOME REALLY VERY POSITIVE COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE.
UH, THEY JUST CAN'T WAIT FOR IT TO BE DONE.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE'RE SHOEHORNING THIS ONE IN AND IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE NUANCES AND WE LEARNED A KURT AND I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY.
SO, UM, A LOT OF IT IS SITTING DOWN WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND EDUCATING AND LISTENING TO THEIR CONCERNS AND SHOWING THEM THAT THIS PROJECT IS GONNA ADDRESS MANY OF THOSE CONCERNS.
AND ALSO TWEAKING THE PROJECT SLIGHTLY SO THAT WE, WE DO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.
SO YES, THAT OUTREACH WILL BE, UM, PROBABLY ANOTHER MEETING AT THE LIBRARY.
IT'S THE BILINGUAL OUTREACH WITH DOOR HANGERS.
IT'S, UM, GOING DOOR TO DOOR AND TALKING TO PEOPLE.
SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO THAT SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH ON, ON DANTE.
SO MAYOR SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT OUT TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY.
SO WHEN WE'RE STILL IN DESIGN CONCEPT AND WE'RE OUTREACHING, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING STAFF TO GO DOOR TO DOOR.
UM, LIKE YOU'VE SEEN, WE'VE HAD PRESENTATIONS TO MEET WITH THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS FIRST AND ONE-TO-ONE.
AND AS WE GO THROUGH THAT DESIGN CONCEPT INTO PLANNING AS WE HAVE, UM, CONCEPT DESIGNS AND AND SO ON, THEN WE'LL GO INTO MORE OF A PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY USE A THIRD PARTY.
BETA VR HAS BEEN WONDERFUL FOR US.
AND THEN WE CAN, AND THEN DO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, WITH DOOR HANGERS AND SO ON TO TRY TO MEET IT OUT.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SHIFT TO THAT.
WE'RE GONNA BE OPEN TO ALL INPUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE CITIZENS WHO HAVE HIGH CONCERNS.
AND WE MET WITH THE, THE BREWER, UH, FOLKS AFTER THE, UM, KNOW YOUR ZONE.
AND WE HAD OUR EVACUATION PLAN AS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO WE HAD AN IMPROMPTU MEETING WITH THE CITIZEN WHO CAME IN.
IN FACT, THAT'S WHERE WE GOT ONE OF OUR BETA
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TESTERS FOR THE DASHBOARD.'CAUSE I JUST MENTIONED TO HIM, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING INNOVATIVE TO GET THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SIM IS ABOUT.
AND HE WENT UP AND VOLUNTEERED HIS NAME LINCOLN AND WANTED TO, AND TO TEST IT.
SO HE, UH, ANDREW REFERENCED HIM.
SO YES, WE WE'RE ENGAGING THE PUBLIC AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
I JUST REMEMBER THE SANBORN ROAD, UH, THUNDER MOUNTAIN PROJECT, AND YOU WERE KNOCKING ON DOORS DURING COVID.
WE STILL HAD PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TO THEIR, UH, APRONS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO, YOU CAN DO JUST SO MUCH, BUT IT, I'M GLAD YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING MORE SO WELL THAT BACK AND BEYOND, UM, THE LOW WATER CROSSING MAYOR AS THAT WORKED JOB THAT REALLY HIT THE LIGHTS FOR ME THAT WE'VE GOTTA DO BETTER.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNICATION SO MUCH HERE, AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO NEVER HEARD ABOUT THE PROJECT AND DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF IT.
I, AND WE'VE ALWAYS, OR I'VE ALWAYS HEARD PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, SHORT OF KNOCKING ON EVERY DOOR.
AND SO I HEAR THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND I THINK FOR THESE PROJECTS, WHICH ARE ALWAYS CONTENTIOUS, EVEN THOUGH TO SOME OF US, THEY SEEM SO BENIGN.
I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE NOT SO TO THE NEIGHBORS.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A WONDERFUL INITIATIVE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN TO DO WHAT I HOPE WHEN YOU'RE DONE, NO ONE WILL SAY, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
WELL, CASE IN POINT,
OH, WE WENT OUT AND TALKED TO THE OWNER, WE MET WITH THEM, TOLD THEM EVERYTHING, THEIR RENTERS SHOW UP, AND OF COURSE THEY CALL THE POLICE AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND I THINK YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA GET THE POINTS BECAUSE OF ALL THE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THIS TOWN.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING, UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A, I DON'T KNOW, SOME TECHNOLOGY OR SOMETHING BETTER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.
NO, I, I JUST WAS APPLAUDING THIS EFFORT IN AN AREA WHERE I THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO BE DONE.
OH, VICE MAYOR AND MELISSA, UH, UH, GOING BACK TO ANTE, WHERE DOES IT SWITCH OVER? CAN YOU JUST REMIND ME OF WHAT STREET IT SWITCHES FROM THE LEFT SIDE TO THE RIGHT SIDE OR VICE VERSA? YEAH, IT'S ABOUT LYRIC.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE STILL LOOKING.
UM, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT TREES.
WE DON'T WANNA IMPACT TREES, SO, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S DRAINAGE TO WORK OUT.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE AT 30% PLANS RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THAT.
UM, HAND PLANS IN HAND WALK, SEEING WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
HOW CAN WE, WE CAN MINIMIZE THAT.
ARE YOU REDUCING THE SIDEWALK? MM-HMM.
THERE'S, IT'S, PEOPLE FORGET THAT THE EDGE OF THE ROAD, UM, IS NOT OUR RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK THAT THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY.
SO WE'VE HAD SURVEY DONE, SO, AND THOSE STAKES ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S TRIGGERED A LOT OF THE COMMUNICATION.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO EASE INTO THIS AND, AND NOT, SO IT'S NOT, BAM, WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND, AND PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL TRIGGER SOME QUESTIONS AND CALLS TO US.
AND THEN THEY THINK YOU'RE TAKING THEIR PROPERTY TOO.
AND WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND, UM, SHOW THEM AND EDUCATE THEM THE BEST WE CAN.
AND THAT, THAT CROSSING IS ALSO GONNA BE A SPEED TABLE.
SO THERE'S LINE OF SIGHT AND THEN THERE'S GRADIENTS THAT REALLY COME INTO EFFECT OF HOW DO WE LOCATE THAT TO GET THE BEST SWEET SPOT.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD FIGURE OUT ON DANTE, 'CAUSE I, I CONNECT THE BACK WAY TO GO HOME VIA THEIR END LYRIC.
UM, I WOULD ASSUME, GIVEN ALL THE SIGNS I SEE THEY'RE GONNA APPRECIATE HAVING A SPEED TABLE THERE.
UM, MY QUESTION IS THAT AREA IS HEAVILY HISPANIC.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON STAFF WHO MM-HMM.
'CAUSE I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THE TRANSLATION CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, AND THE UNDERSTANDING CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT, SO THAT'S PERFECT.
I HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLETELY OFF THE TOPIC OF I'M DANTE.
UM, AND THAT IS, HOW OFTEN DO YOU GUYS CHECK THE CONDITION OF THE SUVS? SO I LIVE NEAR POSSE.
UM, AND AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THE UM, SUP IS HEAVILY DAMAGED BY WATER.
UM, SOME OF WHICH NOW I THINK IS BECOMING DEEP ENOUGH THAT, UM, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE TRIP ON IT AND, UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT BICYCLES USING IT,
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THE MOUNTAIN BIKES AS THEY'RE GOING INTO THE, INTO THE WASH AREA.HOW OFTEN DO YOU GUYS CHECK, CHECK THESE? IT'S NOT SUPER FREQUENT, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN MEANING TO WORK WITH OUR BICYCLE COORDINATORS ON.
I'VE BEEN ASSIGNING CERTAIN THINGS RELATED TO
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO GET THEM MONTHLY, GOING THROUGH CERTAIN TRAILS, CHECKING THEM AND THEN REPORTING BACK.
DO WE NEED MAINTENANCE OR NOT? SO THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT I INTEND TO DO.
AND THAT'S PART OF OUR OUTREACH TO GET THE CITIZENS AND YOURSELF, UH, COUNSELOR TO USE, REPORT IT, GO TO THE WEBSITE, GIVE US A DIRECTION, TAKE A PICTURE, AND THEN, THEN WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE IT AND THEN IT GOES TO OUR MAINTENANCE AND WE'LL ADDRESS IT.
SO YOU'RE GIVING ME WORK? YES, MA'AM.
KATHY, WOULD YOU, UH, FOR THE PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO LOOK THEM UP ON, ON SIM RIGHT NOW.
CAN YOU GIMME THE SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, LETTER THAT GOES WITH SIM 11, A, B, C, D, WHATEVER IT IS FOR THE ONES UNDER CONSTRUCTION
SPECIFICALLY POSSY GROUNDS PARK.
SO, UM, THE POSSE GROUNDS PARK IS ACTUALLY AROUND THE PICKLEBALL COURT.
SO THAT'S NOT AN 11 SOMETHING THAT'S A, A PR PROJECT, PARKS AND REC.
SO WE'RE EXTENDING THE SHARED USE PATH AROUND THAT AND CONNECTING IT WHERE IT ENDS AT THE TENNIS COURT.
THAT ACTUALLY ANSWERS WHAT I NEED.
YEAH, SO WE HAVE ARTS, WE HAVE PARKS AND REC, WE HAVE PUBLIC TRANSIT, WE HAVE STORM DRAIN, WE HAVE ALL THESE DEVELOPMENT FACTORS.
BUT I DID WANNA, UM, TOUCH ON BREWER REALLY QUICK.
THAT'S GONNA, UM, COME BEFORE COUNCIL AT YOUR MAY 14TH MEETING.
THIS IS A GRANT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM ADOT.
UH, SO IT SLOWED THE PROJECT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE GRATEFUL TO RECEIVE, UM, A 94%, SO THE 122,000 WITH ONLY 7,000 MATCH FROM THE CITY.
AND THIS IS FOR THE NEPA AND THE CLEARANCE AND TO FINALIZE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
THEY WERE EXCITED, VERY EXCITED TO CONNECT RANGER STATION, PARK TO THE BREWER TRAIL, UM, IN THE FOREST.
AND I'VE GOT A QUICK PICTURE THERE, BUT ANYONE THAT'S RIDDEN YOUR BIKE OR WALKED UP, BREWER, IT'S NOT, IT'S PRETTY DANG NARROW.
SO WE'RE, UM, THERE'S SOME CROSS SECTIONS HERE THAT SHOW HOW WE'RE GONNA SHOOT HORN THAT ONE IN.
AND, UM, WE'VE ONLY GOT, UM, A COUPLE OF AREAS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO STAY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY SO WE DON'T NEED EASEMENTS.
SO THAT, THAT ONE'S MOVING AHEAD.
DOES THAT ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS WE HAD LAST WINTER ABOUT, UH, AROUND BREWER PARK? MM-HMM.
SO THAT'LL ADDRESS THOSE, UH, NARROW, REALLY NARROW AREAS.
AND IT'LL GET PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD AND, AND MUCH SAFER.
BUT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALSO ADDING A SPEED TABLE, UH, BEFORE THEY GET TO THE PARK.
SO AS PEOPLE COME DOWN THAT HILL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING PRETTY QUICK.
I WANT TO ADD TOO, THAT THE, THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS KNOW YOUR ZONE EVACUATION.
THEY WERE VERY EXCITED TO KNOW THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE JUST TO THEIR CAR IF THEY HAD TO EVACUATE SINCE THEY'RE ON A DEAD END AS WELL.
MY QUESTION, COMMENT IS GONNA TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA SAID AND THEN ALSO KIND OF, UH, ADDRESSES WHAT, UH, COUNCILOR WILLIAMS BROUGHT UP RELATIVE TO THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
AND I LAYER OVER IT, THE INCREASING, UH, INTEREST IN A ROBUST TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM PERHAPS.
AND I THINK ABOUT THESE PROJECTS AND WHICH OF THOSE ARE GONNA MAKE THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM MORE SUCCESSFUL.
I THINK PARTICULARLY OF RODEO, MOUNTAIN SHADOWS, COFFEE POT, GETTING PEOPLE DOWN TO 89 A, WHERE THEY, IT'S LIKE REALLY DANGEROUS TO WALK CURRENTLY.
UM, AND SO I I I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR US JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR THIS COUNCIL, TO HAVE A REFRESHER OR THE NEW PICTURE IN MIND OF WHERE YOU'RE HEADED AND WHY.
AND I'M SURE THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF GREAT THINKING IN IT.
AND WHEN RESIDENTS APPROACH ME TO SAY, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT VODI WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, ARE REALLY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE DOWN COFFEE POT OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND AND I DON'T.
SO IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE AN UP, A, A, A DEEPER CONVERSATION WITH US.
OH, THAT'D BE SOMETHING WE WANNA TOUCH
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ON THAT OR WELL THAT'S SOMETHING ANNETTE AND ANGIE JUST NOT TO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TODAY, BUT NO, JUST ON THE RADAR, THAT'S ALL.ALRIGHT, SO, UM, VODI TWO IS, UM, WE HAD DONE THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT AND THAT WAS FROM WHITE BEAR ALONG BEHIND THE LIBRARY AND CURRENTLY, UM, THE ARIZONA STATE LAND, WE'VE GOT OUR SUBMITTAL IN TO, UM, CONTINUE THAT PROJECT UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING, WITHIN THE EXISTING ELECTRIC EASEMENT.
SO DRY CREEK THREE IS JUST A CONTINUATION.
THE GOAL IS TO REALLY CONNECT, GIVE PEOPLE A WALKABLE BIKEABLE WAY TO GET FROM THAT ONE SET, UM, 89 A PARKING LOT AND GET THEM UP TO DEVIL'S BRIDGE TRAIL HEAD.
SO, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS COME FROM.
AS WE FINISH THE CURRENT PHASE OF DRY CREEK DOWN TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN, THERE'S NOW EXISTING SIDEWALKS TO TAKE YOU THE REST OF THE WAY.
AND SO MM-HMM,
CORRECT, JESSICA? YEAH, I HAD VERY AT, AT MY MEETING WITH ANNETTE AND ANDY, WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT ONE OF THESE AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A VERY GOOD THING TO DO WITH THE WHOLE GROUP AND JUST PUT ON THE TABLE AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHY YOU'VE COME UP WITH WHAT YOU'VE COME UP SO PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO UNDERSTAND MAY MAYBE WE COULD DO A TRANSIT DEEP DIVE AND MULTI, IT'S JUST A MULTIMODAL DEEP DIVE ALL AT THE, THE SAME TIME SEPARATE.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE ON THESE IDEA MIGHT GET BIG, I WOULD THINK ON TWO SEPARATE WORK SESSIONS.
WE MAY DO 2, 2, 3 HOURS JUST ON EACH OF THOSE THAT DON'T BE CUT SHORT AND IT'S DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOMORROW.
SO IT'S AT, AT AT WHEN THERE'S TIME AND WHEN YOU'RE READY.
CHRISTMAS WILL BE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU KNOW, ISN'T IT TOMORROW IT FEELS LIKE IT.
AND JUST REAL QUICK, THE SHELBY PHASE TWO IS A, UM, A CONGRESSIONAL SETASIDE GRANT.
SO, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME DEADLINES TO COMPLETE THAT.
AND WHAT THAT IS, IS WE HAD DONE THE EAST WEST SECTION OF SHELBY AND SO NOW WE'RE EXTENDING IT NORTH AND TRYING TO CONNECT THAT.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CONNECT LOOPS AND, UM, SOME OF 'EM ARE JUST MORE DIFFICULT AND TAKE MORE TIME THAN OTHERS.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAD ON THE, UM, SOME 11 IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, JESSICA, WHICH IS, I SEE BICYCLE G GREEN LANES HERE.
IT ALWAYS HAPPENS TO EVERY NO, I KNOW.
I I WONDERED IF THERE'S PLANS TO RENEW THEM.
YES, WE DO THAT AS IT'S PART OF OUR, AND JUST REMIND YOU THAT WHEN WE DO THOSE, UH, DASH LINES O ON SHARED USE PATH, WE HAVE OUR OWN COLOR.
WE DON'T PUT BEADS ON 'EM, WE TRY TO MAKE THEM AS LOW IMPACT AS POSSIBLE.
AND IT'S PAINT, IT DOES FADE WITH TIME.
SO MEAN, REFRESHING TALKING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GREEN TRAFFIC ONES.
AND, AND TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S A PAVING PROJECT OR THEY'RE FOG COATING, YOU WILL GET BLACK OVER THAT, BUT THEN THAT USUALLY OXIDIZE AND GOES OFF.
BUT YEAH, LIKE ANYTHING IT NEEDS TO BE REFRESHED.
I THINK THAT DID THAT AND NOW WE'RE IN TRAVEL FARM.
SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ADOT.
IT'S BEEN DELAYED APPROXIMATELY A YEAR NOW JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE ISSUES WE'VE A CHEST TO WITH DIFFICULTIES WITH POWER, ASSESSING POWER AND SO ON.
BUT THIS IS ALL PART OF ADOT DOING THEIR, UH, DIGITAL HIGHWAYS.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE, THEY HAVE THE FIVE DI DYNAMIC SIGNS.
IT STILL LOOKS LIKE IT, IT'S MOVING FORWARD.
THEY DIDN'T ASK, UM, THE CITY TO CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY.
SO THEY'RE DOING THIS ALL IN THEIR DIME.
UM, THE PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS ESTIMATES ARE 95% COMPLETE.
THEIR BIDS ARE GONNA BE THIS NOVEMBER 24.
AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IS GONNA FOLLOW, UM, THIS WINTER.
UM, OR THE BIDS WILL START IN THE WINTER.
THEY'LL PROBABLY START CONSTRUCTION IN THE SPRING WHERE THEY START NORTH FROM PAGE SOUTH OR FROM SUNSET.
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I 17 NORTH.I, I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT I'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL ONCE I GET THAT INFORMATION.
THAT'S USUALLY WITH THE BIDS AND THE CONSTRUCTION BASED UPON HOW THEY, THEY SEPARATE THEM OUT.
JESSICA, I I, WHEN THIS, WHEN HE'S DONE WITH THIS, WHEN HE'S DONE WITH THIS SECTION, I HAVE A QUESTION OF BEFORE.
OH, AND OF BRIAN, I'VE NEVER SEEN WHERE IT HAS BEEN FASTER TO GO ON TWO 60.
NOT, NOT THAT I TRAVEL THIS EVERY DAY, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN IT FASTER TO GO TWO 60 THAN 1 79, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, WAS TO PUSH CARS ONTO TWO 60.
WHAT DO THEY CONSIDER SEDONA? WHERE ARE THEY MEASURING TO YOU? YOU'RE TALKING E DOT RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
FOR THIS, THE Y IT'S USUALLY THE Y UM, MOSTLY SOMETIMES IT'S THE PROP, IT'S THE BOUNDARY CITY LIMITS.
BUT I I I UNDERSTAND FOR THE ENLISTING YOUR, I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THAT SECOND PHOTO UP THERE.
'CAUSE I USED TO HEAR THAT A LOT AS WELL.
AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THERE MANY TIMES WHERE IT'S FASTER, UH, ON TWO 60.
SO I'VE, I'VE TRIED TO MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE A PHOTO WHEN I SEE THAT.
SO
SO WHEN I'M IN UPTOWN AND I WANT TO TEST THIS, I GO TO MY GOOGLE MAPS OR MY IPHONE TO MY DESTINATION.
OR IF I GO TO PHOENIX JUST TO TEST IT, I'LL JUST PUT ANTHEM BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO FIND.
AND I'LL LOOK, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, SOMETIMES IT'S MINUTES AND SOMETIMES AN IPHONE AND APPLE WILL SELL GO 1 79 AND THE ANDROID, THE GOOGLE WILL SAY GO TWO 60.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING ON THAT REGARDS, BUT I'VE SEEN IT, UM, AT LEAST IN MINE USE THAT IT DOES SAY GO TWO 60 AT TIMES, BUT THAT'S PEAK FLOW ON THE WEEKEND WHERE I'M JUST TESTING.
UH, YES, I'M THINKING CURRENT, WE SHOULD HACK THE COMPUTER SYSTEM AND ADD 30 MINUTES TO THE 1 79 SIDE.
THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT HELP THE PROBLEM.
AND I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION.
SO THE FIVE DYNAMIC MESSAGE SIGNS, ARE THOSE EXCLUSIVELY DEDICATED TO TIME TO SEDONA OR IS IT GONNA BE ROTATING? NO, I, I TRY TO PUT THAT THAT'S FROM LIKE PAGE ALL THE WAY TO SUNSET POINT.
SO IT'S ALL ALONG THIS 89 I 17 CORRIDOR AND IT, AND IT FOLLOWS WHAT ADOT HAS BEEN DOING ON THEIR FIBER OPTICS IMPROVEMENT ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE THEN OF HOW MUCH MORE COMMUNICATION VISITORS WILL RECEIVE POINTING THEM TO AN ALTERNATIVE TO 1 79? YEAH, IT HOW, UH, THE TRAFFIC OPERATION CENTER, I KNOW PEOPLE THERE SO I CAN MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS, BUT, UM, YEAH, THEY, UH, THEY BASICALLY RATE THOSE MINUTES TO THE DESTINATION.
IT WAS BASED UPON WHAT THEY SEE, WHERE THE CONGESTION IS.
SO LIKE, USUALLY IT'S ALL THIS MINUTES TO PHOENIX AND IT'S USUALLY DOWNTOWN PHOENIX.
SO AS YOU'LL SEE, THEY'LL CHANGE DYNAMIC MESSAGE BOARDS ON THE 60, THE 2 0 2, THE THREE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER I 10 BASED ON WHERE THEY SEE THAT IN.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TRENDS AND ANALYSIS.
SO THEY SAY, SO I, I PRESUME ON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS WHEN THEY KNOW PEOPLE ARE SPECIFICALLY GOING TO SEDONA IT, IT'LL START MAYBE EVEN IN PHOENIX.
BUT THAT'S ADOT TRAFFIC OPERATIONS CONTROL.
AND THAT'S LITERALLY WE CAN REACH OUT AND DICTATE OUR EXPECTATIONS, OUR CONCERNS AND SO ON.
AND I'M SURE THEY'LL, THEY'LL AT LEAST LISTEN, BUT THEY MAY, YOU KNOW, MEET OUR, OUR REQUEST.
HACKER, HACKER, 30 MINUTES GRANT HACKER.
THEIR, THEIR, THEIR MISSION IS TRYING TO MEET, YOU KNOW, THAT CONGESTION STATEWIDE THROUGH THOSE CORRIDORS.
AND ALSO REMEMBER THE FLEX LANES ARE HAPPENING.
THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, INVESTMENT GOING ON THE I 17 CORRIDOR.
SO I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS REALLY WELL TIMED TO KIND OF MEET ON THIS AND GET WITHIN THE, THE TAILS OF THE, ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS.
WE'RE DONE TO THE LAST HALF HOUR.
SO DO YOU THINK WE, NO, THIS IS THE LAST OF THE SLIDE FOLKS.
IT'S JUST THE CAMERA FOR THE ENTIRE, FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
AH, UM, I KNOW CAMERAS ARE A BIG THING, SO I WANTED TO INCLUDE THE CAMERAS.
WELL, BEFORE YOU MOVE IN, JESSICA HAS A QUESTION.
SO I NOTICED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD STREET CONNECTIONS, I KNOW IT WAS ON HOLD AND I KNOW THAT WHEN WE ASKED OUR RESIDENTS, THEY, AS WITH EVERY OTHER QUESTION OVERWHELMINGLY DID NOT WANT THIS.
SO AM I ASSUMING THAT IT IS STILL ON HOLD? YES, MA'AM.
RELATIVE TO THAT, I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
I, I WONDER IF WE DON'T, ISN'T THERE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REFRAME THIS CONVERSATION? AND I GET WHY THE NEIGHBORS ARE SCARED ABOUT 89 B RUNNING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING, RIGHT.
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DIVERTING A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT I ALSO SEE A GREAT NEED FOR THESE THINGS POTENTIALLY AS EMERGENCY EVACUATION POTENTIALS.AND I THINK PERHAPS WE COULD PIVOT AND SELL IT AS THAT, THAT WE HAVE CONNECTIONS, THEY'RE CHAINED OFF, THEY'RE ONLY IMPLEMENTED BY THE POLICE.
THE NEIGHBORS USE IT FOR WALKING AND BIKING, WALKING THEIR DOGS OR WHATEVER.
I THINK THEY WOULD GROW TO LOVE THEM OVER TIME AND BE VERY USEFUL AS LONG AS THEY DON'T FEEL THREATENED THAT IT WILL BE 89 B ROUTE.
AND, BUT YET WE STILL HAVE, UH, A BENEFIT HERE IN TIMES OF EMERGENCY EVACUATION PERHAPS, OR OTHER REASONS THAT THEN THEY'RE ACCESSED, BUT NOT ALWAYS.
THERE MAY BE A REFRAMING OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR US IN THIS, I THINK A PRETTY CRITICAL IMPORTANT ELEMENT.
I, UH, I I SEE THEM AS EVACUATION OPTIONS.
UM, AND I HAVE NO, I THINK SORT OF, BUT AS LONG AS IT PROVIDES ACCESS TO OTHERS, AS WE HAVE FOUND WITH OUR SUP PROJECTS, IT REMAINS A CHALLENGE FOR NEIGHBORS.
BUT I THINK IT'S MUCH MORE USEFULLY REFRAMED THAT WAY.
BUT I, I QUESTION UNLESS IT'S LIMITED ONLY TO RESIDENTS, WHICH I, I DON'T SEE HOW IT COULD BE.
ALRIGHT, SO CAMERAS YOU WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
I THOUGHT I HAD THE CAMERAS ON THAT.
SO THAT WAS A BIG THING FOR ME AT LEAST, THAT WE GOT IT ON BOARD, THAT THEY'VE NOW ACCEPTED THE CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE.
WE NOW CONFIRM WE HAVE TO GET FIBER TO EACH ONE OF OUR CAMERAS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO DATA, UH, A HIGH NEED OF DATA TRANSFER.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA USE 'EM FOR TRAFFIC AND WEATHERING WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, OF ISSUING STILL PICTURES, PUTTING THEM OUT ON OUR WEBSITE.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ONE AT STATE ROUTE 89 A THAT ANDY WAS JUST USING, UM, TODAY TO SHOW YOU ALL WHAT WE'RE MONITORING.
OUR NEXT, UH, BIG PUSH IS NOW TO GET UPTOWN AND WELL, WE HAVE 'EM IN UPTOWN, BUT THEN ALSO AT THE, UM, OAK CREEK, UM, BRIDGE CROSSING WITH THE PS AND SO ON.
SO THAT'S THE NEXT, I JUST TOOK NOTES THAT YOU GUYS WERE, UH, SUGGESTING A LONG DOODLE LOG, THAT 1 79, UH, CORRIDOR.
WE WERE MAKING HILLTOP OUR PRIORITY THAT COULD POINT IN ZOOM TO LOOK AT THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA RESHUFFLE THESE PRIORITIES TO TRY TO MEET THE NEED AND STILL GET THEM ONTO THE WEBSITE.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE WANTED TO GET ENOUGH THAT WE'RE USING, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEM IN-HOUSE WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SO ON.
YOU KNOW, BACK TO PETE'S, I'M JUST PROCESSING YOUR COMMENTS.
THERE ARE NO SUVS SOUTH OF 89 A ARE THERE? NO, YES, YES.
WELL, IN WEST SEDONA, SHELBY DRIVE IS SHELBY THE MAIN ONE? THERE'S ONE ON SUNSET, THERE'S ONE IN SUNSET PARK.
THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S, THAT'S SECTION OF, THEY'RE NOT IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE'S A SHORT SECTION IN PINION, PINION DRIVE.
ONE OF THE REASONS THEY'RE NOT IN NEIGHBORHOODS IS THAT THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED.
THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS.
THEY WERE ABLE TO CONNECT MULTIPLE SECTIONS.
ANDY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ORNETTE? I HEAR, I HEAR SOMETHING.
I, I THOUGHT I I HAD SOMETHING, BUT, OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM MADEAS FOR KURT HARRIS AND OH, JESSICA
I AM NOT A TRAFFIC, A SIDEWALK TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT I AM REALLY IN AWE OF, OF, OF THE KIND OF WORK THAT YOUR STAFF PRESENTS TO US.
AND I WANT, I MEAN, THIS STUFF'S COMPLICATED.
WE ASK ALL THESE GOT YOU QUESTIONS AND THEY DON'T GOT YOU
SO I THINK NOT BEING A TRAFFIC ENG, A SIDEWALK ENGINEER PROBABLY HELPS WITH THAT PERCEPTION.
BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU HOW, HOW GRATEFUL I AM TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF, OF EXPERTISE, UM, COMING TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL.
AND, UM, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS JOB NOW FOR EIGHT MONTHS, REPLACING ANDY.
AND IT'S BEEN REALLY EXCITING AND LEARNING AND IT'S EXCITING WORK WHEN YOU'RE AN INNOVATOR, NOT JUST IN THE STATE, BUT IN THE, IN THE NATION.
AND SO BIG PROBLEMS CREATE BIG SOLUTIONS THAT TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND INVESTMENT WITH BIG MINDS.
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ALL BEING ON BOARD AND ALLOWING THIS OPPORTUNITY.WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND A LONG WAYS TO GO YET, BUT I THINK THIS NEXT YEAR AND TWO, YOU'RE RE WITH THEIR DASHBOARD WITH THE DATA AND THE METRICS, YOU'RE REALLY GONNA SEE A TURNING POINT.
SO THIS IS, CITY'S AT A A REAL, THE CITY IS AT A REALLY GOOD FOCAL POINT AT PIVOT POINT THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE CHANGE.
UH, HANDY, ANNETTE, ANYTHING BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? NO, THANK YOU.
[3.b. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items.]
DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR A FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS WHICH WE'VE ALREADY PULLED FROM THIS CURRENT MEETING.WE HAVE ONE WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE GIVEN NOTHING ELSE.
[5. ADJOURNMENT]
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.