* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKAY, WE'LL CALL THE INK TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FERRAN. OKAY. FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, I'D JUST LIKE TO HONOR, UH, OUR FALLEN, UH, FORMER COUNCILMAN, UH, MIKE WARD. HE WAS A VETERAN AND A LONGTIME VOLUNTEER WITH OUR SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND HE WOULD BE SO MISSED. SO PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU [2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART] PLEASE READ THE WHOLE CALL? SURE. MAYOR JALO. HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN. HERE. COUNCILOR LTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FURMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. OKAY. WE HAVE ANNETTE TODAY WHO WILL BE PRESENTING BECAUSE THE FIRST OF THE MONTH WE HAVE OUR MOMENT OF ART. AND, UH, ANNETTE WILL MAKE THAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU MAYOR JALO AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M STANDING IN FOR NANCY TONIGHT, UH, FOR THE MOMENT OF ART. UM, FIRST SHE WANTED US TO POINT OUT THERE IS A NEW EXHIBIT UP DISPLAYING THE PAINTINGS OF ED VECCHI, WHICH CAN BE SEEN IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM. HIS EXHIBIT IS ENTITLED, BETWEEN MAINE TO ARIZONA, A PAINTER'S JOURNEY. SINCE MAY IS NATIONAL PHOTOGRAPHY MONTH. FOR TODAY'S MOMENT OF ART, WE ARE CELEBRATING THE WORK OF FINE ART PHOTOGRAPHER TERRY SHOULDERS. HIS EXHIBIT IS ENTITLED A 65 YEAR RETROSPECTIVE, AND YOU CAN SEE HIS BEAUTIFUL IMAGES IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MEET THESE ARTISTS. THE NEXT RECEPTION WILL BE WEDNESDAY, MAY 22ND, FROM FOUR TO 6:00 PM IN THIS ROOM. AND IN THE VOLTI WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL MUSIC GUEST, UH, JAZZ MUSICIAN, ERROL FOLTZ. UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TERRY BEFORE HE SHOWS YOU EXAMPLES OF HIS PHOTOGRAPHY, HIS IMAGES WERE CAPTURED OVER MANY YEARS THROUGHOUT HIS TRIPS IN THE SOUTHWEST AND THE WEST. HE HAS CAPTURED STUNNING LANDSCAPES. UTILIZING THE PLAY OF LIGHT SHOULDER STATES, I PREFER TO REVEAL ANOTHER SPACE FORMED BY LIGHT, SHADOW AND IMAGINATION. IMAGINE A WORLD THAT IS SOFTER AND SOMEWHAT LOVINGLY MYSTERIOUS. SHOULDERS BEGAN HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH PHOTOGRAPHY AFTER HIGH SCHOOL, TAKING PHOTOS FOR THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER IN INDIANA. HE ATTENDED ART SCHOOL IN CHICAGO AND APPRENTICED AT A TOP COMMERCIAL STUDIO, HAVING AN INNATE ARTISTIC NATURE AND A PASSION TO EXPLORE THE BEAUTY IN THE WORLD. HE LEARNED THE NUANCES OF FINE ART PHOTOGRAPHY. IN 1971, HE OPENED HIS OWN COMMERCIAL PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIO, AND FOR THE NEXT TWO DECADES, SHOULDERS WORKED IN ADVERTISING PHOTOGRAPHY FOR FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES, SUCH AS THE CHICAGO STOCK EXCHANGE, AMERICAN EXPRESS, UNITED AIRLINES, FEDEX, SARAH LEE, HIRAM WALKER, LOUR, AND CONVERSE TO NAME A FEW. HIS UNIQUE STYLE EMERGED EXPRESSING MOOD, ATMOSPHERE, AND ARTISTIC INDIVIDUALITY. IN 2009, HE AND HIS WIFE JUNA, RELOCATED TO MONTEREY, WHERE HE WAS A DOCENT FOR THE CENTER FOR PHOTOGRAPHY IN CARMEL, CALIFORNIA, CA SORRY, CARMEL, CALIFORNIA. PREVIOUSLY ANSEL ADAMS GALLERY, HE LATER OPENED SHOULDERS PHOTOGRAPHY GALLERY. HE HAS PRESENTED IN NUMEROUS GALLERIES FROM CARMEL TO TAOS TO SEDONA. HE HAS SHOWN AT SOTHEBY'S IN SEDONA, AND IS CURRENTLY REPRESENTED BY THE SEDONA ART CENTER. PLEASE HELP US WELCOME TERRY SHOULDERS. THANK YOU. AND THEN I BELIEVE, UM, JOANNE'S GONNA HELP RUN HIS SLIDESHOW FOR HIM. YES. BIG SCREEN. YEAH. JOE, HELLO. HELLO. FIRST, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING HERE. I MEAN THAT SINCERELY. AND I'VE LIVED IN A LOT OF PLACES, UH, TAS, SANTA FE, HERE, CHICAGO, CARMEL, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PLACES HAS A ABUNDANCE OF THE ARTS SHOWING, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE ON OUR WAY [00:05:01] HERE TOO. THANK YOU. THIS FIRST ONE THAT I HAVE UP HERE RIGHT NOW IS CALLED DAYBREAK DAYBREAK. IT'S IN, UH, NEAR MOAB, UTAH, AND IT'S NEAR AN AREA CALLED MAC'S ARCH. NEXT, THIS IS IN OUR OWN WEST FORK AND I LIKE TO DO LIKE MORE INTIMATE SHOTS OF THINGS RATHER THAN THE GRANDIOSE THINGS MOSTLY. SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INTIMATE SHOTS, AND I CALL IT PLACE OF THE WHITE ROCK AND ALL THESE LITTLE WHITE ROCK STONES AND THEN THE BIG CLIFFS AND THE FAGE IN THE BACKGROUND. THIS WAS IN WHITE SANDS, NEW MEXICO. AND I WANTED TO DO, I LIKE TO MAKE IMAGES, NOT JUST TAKE THEM. SO I CHANGED MY IMAGES AROUND IT TO BE WHAT I WANNA SEE WHEN I'M FINISHED. AND THIS ONE HAD A BLUE SKY. IT WAS A COLOR PHOTOGRAPH. I TURNED THE SKY BLACK. I MADE THE SAND IN THE FOREGROUND, THE PREDOMINANT THING. AND THEN THE CLOUD BANK IS WHAT I CALL IT THE CLOUD BANK. THIS IS SHOTS OF THREE DIFFERENT WOMEN AND IT'S, I WANT TO SHOW IT TO YOU BECAUSE THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY A NEGATIVE. IT'S, IT WAS A NEGATIVE AND I PRINTED IT IN A NEGATIVE FORM AND THEN I HAND COLORED THE BACKGROUND TO GIVE IT SOMETHING GOING ON. BUT I CALL IT THE BLACK MADONNA. THE OTHER TWO ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE SOMEBODY A EFFECT, WHICH IS, IT'S A PSEUDO SOLARIZATION TYPE OF AN EFFECT WHERE YOU CAN TAKE A, A NEGATIVE OR A PRINT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THEM AND EXPOSE IT TO LIGHT. AND THEN DEPENDING ON ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES INVOLVED, TEMPERATURE, HEAT, ALL THAT, YOU GET WHERE IT STARTS TO REVERSE. SO A POSITIVE WILL START TO REVERSE INTO A NEGATIVE, AND THEN THEY GET LITTLE WHITE LINES AROUND THINGS. AND IT'S VERY INTERESTING EFFECT. THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE EVERY DAY HIKING. AND IT'S A NORMAL PATH. AND IF YOU TURN AROUND, TURN AROUND AND LOOK BEHIND YOU, YOU'LL SEE SOME AMAZING THINGS. THIS IS CALLED THE GOLDEN PATH. THIS IS FROM SOUTHERN INDIANA. AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE NO REMINISCENT THINGS. IT'S A NOSTALGIC WHERE YOU HAVE THE OLD PORCH SWING OUT THERE, IT'S AN ABANDONED HOME. AND YOU JUST, TO ME, I WOULD JUST SIT THERE AND LOOK AT THAT AND THINK, I WONDER WHO SAT IN THIS SWING AND WHAT THEIR LIFE WAS ABOUT AT ONE TIME. OKAY, THIS IS UP AROUND, UH, JUNI PINE IN THE CANYON. AND MY WIFE AND I CALL THESE THE GHOST TREES OF JUNI PINE BECAUSE YOU GOT ALL THESE DARK TREES AND FOLIAGE AND THINGS GOING ON. AND THEN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THIS STARK WHITE TREE, AND I KIND OF ENHANCED THINGS A LITTLE, BUT THIS IS VERY CLOSE. THIS IS CALLED TIME TO CALL IT A DAY. AND UH, THIS WAS WHEN I WAS SHOOTING MORE COMMERCIAL WORK IN CHICAGO AND I WOULD PLAY AROUND ON SETS AND MAKE MY OWN LITTLE THINGS. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HOPE IT'S A VERY REWARDING AND PRODUCTIVE EVENING. THANK YOU, TERRY. THANK YOU. COME AND HANG OUT WITH US. FEEL FREE, WE'LL GET YOUR CHAIR RIGHT UP FRONT. I'LL SIT FOR A WHILE, OKAY? OKAY, NOW, OKAY, WE'LL [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE ] GO TO ITEM THREE. CONSENT ITEMS. UH, WE HAVE, I KNOW THAT ITEM F WILL BE PULLED. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM, UH, A TO E AND GI TO HI MOVE. WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH E AND G AND H SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. WHAT POINT ORDER COMMENT. CAN WE COMMENT ON THE MOTION PLEASE? RIGHT, BUT THE MOTION YOU WANNA CO I WANNA COMMENT ON THIS MOTION. THIS ONE TOO. OH, ALL I THOUGHT WAS JUST F NOPE. OKAY. THIS ONE TOO. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO MY COMMENT REALLY IS, UH, RELATED TO ITEM H, WHICH IS THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE MARKETING CAMPAIGN FOR $150,000. IT IS AN ACTION THAT COUNCIL TOOK. SO I AGREE WITH IT BEING ON THE AGENDA, BUT I DID WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE ONCE AGAIN, THAT SPENDING MONEY WITHOUT A PLAN FOR TOURISM IS NOT REALLY THE BEST IDEA. AND SO I ENCOURAGE US ALL TO CONTINUE TO MOVE OUR TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. I, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST F YOU WERE GOING TO, [00:10:01] UH, COMMENT ON. DO YOU STILL WANT TO COMMENT ON EFFORT AS WELL OR? NO, WE'RE NOT ON F, F IS POLL 'CAUSE WE STAND THERE. F IS POLL. I'LL COMMENT ON. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO BE. SURE. OKAY. SO THEN, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, ITEMS A, T, E AND G. AND H SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. WE ARE ALL IN FAVOR. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHO SECONDED THAT THAT WAS JESSICA? NO, I JUST GIMME THE MOTION. I SECONDED IT. YOU COUNSELOR. AND WHO PULLED THE ITEM PLEASE? UH, KATHY, I'M, I'M, I'M PULLING THE ITEM, SO, OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ITEM F [3.f. AB 3047 Approval of Pickle Ball Court Construction Contract to Hope Construction, LLC. in an amount not-to-exceed $1,598,975.10. ] WOULD BE AB 30 47 APPROVAL OF PICKLEBALL COURT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TO HOPE CONSTRUCTION LLC IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 1,598,975 AND 10 CENTS. HOW DO YOU GET TO 10 CENTS? SANDY? . ALRIGHT, I KNOW TAX. AH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY, SO, SO HOLD ON BEFORE YOU START SANDY. 'CAUSE COUNCILOR CONSELLA YOU WANT, THANK YOU. YES, I ASKED FOR THE ITEM TO BE PULLED. UM, NOT BECAUSE OF ANY ISSUE WITH THE ITEM OR THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET, BUT BECAUSE I THINK WHEN THERE ARE CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT, UM, ACTUALLY SHOULD TRIGGER THAT WE DID, THINGS JUST DON'T END UP ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT THAT WE GET A REFRESHER AND IN CASE THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO VOTE DIFFERENTLY ON AN ITEM OF THAT MAGNITUDE, THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY WAS THERE. SO I PASSED THAT ON. SO I BELIEVE THAT STAFF IS HERE TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF REFRESHER PRESENTATION ON THIS. THANK YOU. UM, YEP. SO WE'LL ANSWER. HI, UM, SANDY PHILLIPS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND, UM, ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER. UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, THIS PICKLEBALL PROJECT HAS BEEN IN PROCESS, AS YOU KNOW, UM, FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. AND WE'VE DONE SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH ON THIS TO THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL AS RESIDENTS. WE, UM, BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS AND WE'VE WORKED SIGNIFICANTLY WITH, UM, A VERY INVOLVED GROUP OF PICKLEBALL ENTHUSIASTS ON THEIR PREFERENCES ON HOW THIS COURT WOULD BEST, UM, BE ORIENTED AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE INCLUDED, UM, FENCING, ET CETERA, AND THE BACKBOARD. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE INCLUDED. WE'VE LOOKED, UM, IN DEPTH TO THE LIGHTING. SO THE LIGHTING, WE'RE REMOVING A NUMBER OF THE, UH, SOFTBALL FIELD LIGHTS AND PUTTING IN LED SHIELD, SHIELDING LIGHTS, UH, JOSH WITH PARKS AND REC AND LARRY, WHO I DO WANNA MENTION, UM, IN THE PACKET, WE HAD FOUR BIDS ON THIS PROJECT. AND I REALLY WANNA COMMEND LARRY, UM, WHO IS OUR, UH, LEAD ON, UM, FACILITIES, HE AND BRUCE. AND THEY, IT WAS HIS OUTREACH AND ENGAGING THE CONTRACTORS AND ANSWERING ALL OF THEIR QUESTIONS. AND I'M GONNA SAY ALL, I THINK THERE WERE FIVE ADDENDUMS THAT WENT OUT. AND SO HE WORKED REALLY HARD IN MAKING SURE THAT THE CONTRACTORS KNEW WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT WAS. WE HAD 1.4 ORIGINALLY, UM, UH, SET ASIDE, MILLIONS SET ASIDE FOR THIS PROJECT. AND WE'RE COMING TO YOU WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT AT 1.59. AND, UM, WE'RE VERY PROUD AND CONFIDENT IN THIS CONTRACTOR, HOPE CONSTRUCTION, WHO COMPLETED THE POLICE RENOVATION. THEY DID IT, UM, UNDER, ON BUDGET. UNDER BUDGET, AND, UH, AHEAD OF TIME. AHEAD OF TIME. SO TO HAVE THAT CONTRACTOR WORKING WITH US ON THIS PROJECT, UM, IS GONNA BE WONDERFUL. DID YOU WANT GUYS WANNA ADD ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, NOT REALLY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, PETE, YOU DID WANNA ADDRESS SOMETHING ON THIS ITEM TOO? I DO. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANTED TO THANK COUNCILOR KINSELLA FOR PULLING IT. 'CAUSE I ALSO BELIEVE THAT A SIGNIFICANT EXPENDITURE LIKE THIS SHOULD GET OUR ATTENTION AND OUR CONGRATULATIONS TO STAFF FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, DOING, UH, THE WORK ON THE BID TO GET NUMBERS WHEN WE KNOW IN OTHER PROJECTS THAT NUMBERS ARE WAY ABOVE THAT WE PLAN. SO IT'S STELLAR WORK AND WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. I AM GOING TO ASK ABOUT GRASS. I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT GRASS, BUT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT IT ANYHOW. UH, I AM REALLY LOOKING FOR AN UPDATE HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME WE EXPANDED THE DOG PARK AND WE TALKED ABOUT GRASS IN THE UPPER AREA, AND NO ONE'S REALLY HAPPY WITH THAT DECISION. AND THEN OVER TIME, AS THE PICKLEBALL COURT DEVELOPED, WE HEARD SOME, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT POTENTIALLY USING SOME OF THE RE AND GRASS IF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WEREN'T GONNA OCCUPY ALL OF THAT IN THIS SPACE, AND WHETHER THAT COULD BE YAPPY HOUR DOG RUNNY SPACE. AND I'D LOVE TO GET AN UPDATE ON STAFF'S THINKING IN, IN ON THESE REGARDS. JOSH, I'LL LET JOSH GO AHEAD AND ASK. YEAH, SO THAT'S, SORRY, CAN YOU HEAR ME THERE? UM, THERE WE GO. THAT STILL IS A THOUGHT OF WHAT [00:15:01] COULD BE IN THAT REMAINING SPACE, WHAT'S CURRENTLY KINDA LEFT FIELD AND CENTER FIELD OF THAT SOFTBALL FIELD TO THE SIDE OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. DEFINITELY COULD BE A DOG RUN AREA, UM, WHERE WE COULD HOST THE HAPPY HOUR AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WE ALSO DO WANNA DESIGNATE IT AS LIKE AN EVENT SPACE, SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN STILL USE IT FOR CELEBRATION OF SPRING, UM, FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL, SOME OF THOSE PARTS AS WELL. UM, SO SINCE YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOSING A SOFTBALL FIELD, WE ARE STILL KEEPING SOME QUALITY ATHLETIC FIELDS THERE. UM, AND MY PRIORITY WITH YAPPY HOUR, THEY'RE A GREAT GROUP THAT GETS A GREAT ATTENDANCE AND IT'S A FUN PROGRAM, BUT WE DO WANT TO GET THEM OFF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS SO WE CAN PRESERVE THOSE ATHLETIC FIELDS AS WELL AND THE HEALTH CONCERNS THERE. SO YES, I THINK THAT STILL IS A VIABLE OPTION. THERE ARE SOME PROS AND CONS TO IT THAT WE WOULD STILL LIKE TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL. UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK AS A SEPARATE COUNCIL ITEM, INVITE THOSE SPORTS USERS AND YAPPY HOUR USERS AND SOME OF THEM AS WELL, IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO DO SO. UM, BUT YES. YEAH. THANK YOU JOSH. AND, AND JUST WHAT TIMEFRAME IS IT THAT YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WORK YOURSELVES THROUGH A, A RECOMMENDATION IN THAT REGARD? UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WE'RE HAPPY TO DO ANYTIME WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, MONTH, WHENEVER WORKS FOR YOU TO BRING THAT. UM, FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF, IT WOULD REQUIRE FENCING OF COURSE, IN ORDER TO FENCE OFF THAT AREA FOR HAPPY HOUR. SO THAT COULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME THERE. BUT, UM, IN ORDER TO BRING BACK A FEW PROPOSALS FOR THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND DISCUSS IT THROUGH WITH YOU, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO SO AS SOON AS WITH SUPPORT OF MY COLLEAGUES, I'D ENJOY DO I'D LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN COUPLE MONTHS. RIGHT. WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANNETTE WILL WORK INTO OUR SCHEDULE. WE SHE'LL BRING IT UP WITHIN HOPEFULLY SOON. SO THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE, BUT I'M, I'M SURE WE RECORD. THANK YOU. DOES THAT SOLVE YOU? YEP. YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I THINK COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? I DID. THANK YOU. AS EVERYBODY OR AS PETE POINTED OUT, THIS IS AN EX AN A SIGNIFICANT EXPENDITURE OVER, IT'S A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS FOR EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS. THAT'S ASTOUNDING. UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU CONSIDER OTHER M THAT WE TALK ABOUT, WHICH ARE MORE EXPENSIVE AND ALSO ASTOUNDING NUMBERS. BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER FOR EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS, IT'S 1.5 MILLION. I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS WHERE YOU ARE AGHAST AT THE COST THAT YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE COST FOR DOING ANYTHING IS. UM, I HAVE A, ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME SORT OF CUSTOM CUSTOMIZING THESE COURTS. I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT CHEAPER TO JUST BUILD A KIND OF BASIC, UM, OUT OF THE BOX. ARE THERE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL LIKE ATTRIBUTES, IS THERE, IS THAT TRUE OR NOT TRUE? MY QUESTION IS, WAS THERE A SEDONA FACTOR THAT WAS SORT OF PUT INTO THIS, THAT, THAT RAISED THE COST? SO I WOULDN'T SAY THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT RAISE IN THE COST. UM, WE ARE DOING SEDONA COLORS SO THAT THE PAINT SCHEME WILL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID ON THE BASKETBALL COURTS. THE ONLY ADJUSTMENT THAT WE MADE WAS WE, UM, SPLIT THE, THE LIGHTING POLES AND THAT WAS A, UH, A BIG CONCERN TO THE GROUP. UM, DIDN'T INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT PUT OUT, WE JUST SPLIT 'EM SO THERE'S BETTER LIGHT COVERAGE. BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME SPEAKING WITH THE PICKLEBALL GROUP THAT THIS IS A RECREATIONAL FACILITY, THIS IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL FACILITY. AND SO, UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE'VE STATED THAT THIS IS OUR, OUR FIRST STEP AND THAT WE'RE NOT DOING A LOT OF THE GOLD PLATING. SO THIS IS A RECREATIONAL FACILITY. THAT'S THE TYPE OF LIGHTING WE'RE PUTTING, THAT'S THE SURFACE WE'RE PUTTING. AND THE ONLY THING SEDONA, IS REALLY THE COLOR SCHEME. SO THIS WAS NOT ENHANCED FROM A BASIC PICKLEBALL COURT? NO, NOT NECESSARILY. THANK YOU. AND STILL, STILL THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S 1.5 MILLION. SO THINGS COST MUCH MORE THAN ANYBODY BELIEVES THEY SHOULD COST OR AT LEAST I WON'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY IN THE WORLD THAN I THINK THEY COST. OKAY. ANY, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM F? I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. COUNCIL KINSELLA. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH HOPE CONSTRUCTION, LLC FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AT POSSE GROUND PARK IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,598,975 [00:20:03] AND 10 CENTS, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 10 CENTS. CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE UNANIMOUS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. 10 CENTS SANDY. HUH? 10 CENTS . SORRY. [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] ALRIGHT, APPOINTMENTS. ITEM FOUR, WE HAVE NONE. SUMMARY OF THE CURRENT EVENTS, UH, BY MYSELF, THE COUNCILORS OR THE CITY MANAGER. UH, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? DO YOU WANT TRANSPORTATION? YEAH, YEAH. SO THE LEAGUE OF, UM, CITIES AND TOWNS TRANSPORTATION GROUP MET ON MONDAY TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL FOR LEGISLATION OF A, UM, TAX TO BE PLACED ON KILOWATT, UH, CHARGING PER KILOWATT ON EVS, UH, IN ORDER TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, UM, THAT IS GOING TO BE LOST BY HEAVIER VEHICLES BEING ON THE ROAD, BUT NOT USING GAS, THEREFORE NOT, UM, UM, PAYING INTO THE GAS TAX FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE. THERE WAS ANOTHER PIECE TO IT AS WELL, BUT IT HONESTLY DIDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE. SO I BELIEVE IT WAS, UM, TO BE REMOVED, BUT IT STILL NEEDS FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND STUDY BECAUSE OF HOW THE TAXES TYPICALLY GET, UM, DISTRIBUTED, UM, AS TO WHO GETS THE FUNDS FOR THEIR ROADS. AND THAT WOULD BE PRETTY, UM, COMPLICATED FOR RURAL ARIZONA, WHICH MAY NOT HAVE ANY CHARGING STATIONS, PUBLIC CHARGING STATIONS, AND THEREFORE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY THE WAY, UH, TAXES CURRENTLY DISTRIBUTED HAVE ACCESS TO ANY OF THE FUNDS FOR MANAGING THEIR ROADS, EVEN IF EVS ARE RUNNING ON THEM. SO THAT'S JUST AN UPDATE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION. EXCELLENT. ANYTHING ON THIS SIDE? BRIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, IN A FAIRLY RECENT NACOG MEETING, IT WAS SHARED BY THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, TEAM THAT THAT IS, UH, ONE OF THE FUNCTIONAL AREAS OF NACOG THAT THEY HAVE HELPED THE VERDE SHUTTLE GAIN GREATER, UH, EFFICIENCY IN, UH, JUST INCREASING THE NUMBER OF BOARDINGS. AND WHILE I DON'T HAVE EXACT PERCENTAGE FIGURES, UH, FISCAL YEAR TO DATE THROUGH JANUARY SHOWS AN AVERAGE OF MORE THAN 10% INCREASE IN BOARDINGS OF PEOPLE USING VERDE SHUTTLE. SO, UM, JUST SOMETHING ENCOURAGING THAT THERE IS IN FACT MORE USE OF TRANSIT IN THE VERDE VALLEY. THANK YOU. THANK VICE MAYOR. I'M CHANGING SUBJECTS. UH, ON SUNDAY AT 10 O'CLOCK AT THE MARY FISHER THEATER IS THE SISTER CITIES BRUNCH PUBLIC IS INVITED. IF YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE SISTER CITIES ASSOCIATION, IT'S FREE. IF YOU'RE NOT, IT'S $10. YOU NEED TO RSVP IN ADVANCE SO EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW MUCH FOOD, BECAUSE IT'S A REAL BRUNCH, HOW MUCH FOOD NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE. AND, UH, WE APPROVED A FRIENDSHIP AGREEMENT FOR CANMORE, AND THEY HAVE SIGNED, THEY HAVE APPROVED IT. SO ON SUNDAY, WE WILL HAVE AN OFFICIAL, I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY THIS IS GONNA WORK, BUT A VIRTUAL SIGNING OF THE AGREEMENT BY OUR MAYOR AND MAYOR, UH, SEAN CRUSET OF CANMORE. SO IT SHOULD BE A FUN EVENT AND, UH, YOU CAN GO TO THE SISTER CITIES WEBSITE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE RESERVATIONS, BUT NEED TO DO IT VERY SOON. THANK YOU. YOU OKAY, PETE, YOU SAID YOU HAD SOMETHING? YEP. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I ALSO WANT TO GIVE A LEAGUE COMMITTEE REPORT, PS, MAC, THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND MILITARY AND THE COURTS. WE DID, UH, CONSIDER TWO PROPOSALS. BOTH WERE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. THE FIRST WAS ON NEURODIVERGENT IDENTIFICATION PROGRAM THAT RECEIVED A LOT OF, UH, CONVERSATION AMONGST THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AND IT'S, UH, POTENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT ADOT COULD DO, UH, THEMSELVES WITHOUT LEGISLATION. SO THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT BEFORE IT GOES TO THE APPROVAL COMMITTEE, UH, FOR, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST A WAY FOR NEURODIVERGENT, UH, PEOPLE TO, UH, SELF-IDENTIFY AND BE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THEIR LICENSE OR THEIR CAR REGISTRATION SO THAT ENCOUNTERS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS GET OFF TO A GOOD START. SO THAT'S ONE PROGRAM. THE SECOND WAS A PUBLIC ENTITY IMMUNITY, UH, IDEA. AND THIS ARISES FROM A LAW CASE DOWN IN SURPRISE, ARIZONA, WHERE A JUDGE MADE A SURPRISING RULING THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY DEFEND PUBLIC EMPLOYEES WHILE THEY WERE DRIVING. SO, UM, LEGISLATURE MAY HAVE TO FIX THE JUDGE'S INTERPRETATION OF, OF THAT PARTICULAR STATUTE. SO THOSE REALLY, THANK YOU. COUNSEL WILLIAMSON, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO. COUNCIL ELL? [00:25:01] I'M GOOD. OKAY. UH, I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS TO SHARE. UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANNETTE FOR A, A BRIEF MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT AN EVENT THAT WE WENT TO IN PRESCOTT. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL. UM, BACK ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS APRIL 30TH, THE MAYOR AND THE POLICE CHIEF AND I ATTENDED A MEETING IN PRESCOTT, UM, SPONSORED BY YAVAPI COUNTY. UM, THEY HAVE KICKED OFF A, UM, PROJECT TO CONSIDER CONSOLIDATION OF ALL OF THE 9 1 1 CENTERS IN YAVAPI COUNTY, UM, WHICH THEY ANTICIPATE HAVING A REPORT DONE ON WHAT TO DO OR NOT DO, OR WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE ON A CONSOLIDATION IN OCTOBER. UM, FOR US, THAT PRESENTS A LOT OF CHALLENGES BEING IN TWO COUNTIES AND HOW, UM, THAT WORKS FOR THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WE'RE, UM, PARTICIPATING, BUT WE ARE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, CHAMPIONING THE PROJECT, I GUESS I WOULD SAY . SO, UH, REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS WORK, BUT IT IS, UM, A A LOT MORE COMPLICATED FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PARTICIPATE THAN IT WOULD BE FOR THE OTHERS THAT ARE SOLELY WITHIN YAVAPAI COUNTY. THANK YOU, ANNETTE. AND THEN, UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, I, WELL, NO, LAST WEEK I ATTENDED THE VERDE VALLEY LEADERSHIP GROUP. IT'S A GROUP OF THE FIVE CITIES AND TOWNS IN, UH, YBA COUNTY OR IN THIS SIDE OF THE VERDE OF THE, I'M SORRY, DOMINGUEZ MOUNTAINS, UH, FOR THE, UH, VERDE VALLEY. AND, UM, THE MAYOR SPOKE ABOUT LEADERSHIP. IT'S, UH, A GROUP OF, UH, EMPLOYEES IN EACH CITY AND TOWN. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY, UH, PARTICIPATING THIS YEAR, BUT, UH, PRESCOTT, I'M SORRY, I'M ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT I'VE GOT. MY MIND IS DISTRACTED, I APOLOGIZE. UH, CAMP VERDE AND CLARKDALE, UH, AND COTTONWOOD HAD EMPLOYEES AND, UH, THE MAYOR SPOKE, THEN THE, UH, CITY MANAGER SPOKE, AND THEN THE POLICE AND FIRE CHIEF SPOKE AND ADDRESSED EMPLOYEES TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO MOVE UP THE RANKS, TO STAY WITH THE CITIES LONGER, WHAT LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE. AND IT WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. IT IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE ATTENDED AND, UH, THERE WERE ABOUT 20 EMPLOYEES THROUGH THE, UH, THE PARTICIPATING CITIES, SO THAT WAS GOOD. AND I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE HEARD IT'S BEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA FROM ME, UH, ABOUT THE MCCAIN, UH, UH, FOUNDATION INSTITUTE AND THE SEDONA FORUM. UH, THE VICE MAYOR AND I WENT ON MAY THE THIRD, AND, UH, WE, IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WERE INVITED THAT ANY, ANY PEOPLE FROM THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL WERE INVITED AND, UH, US BEING SPECIFIC. AND THEN ON, UH, THE FOURTH, I WAS ACTUALLY, UM, INVITED TO WELCOME, UH, UH, MITT ROMNEY, SENATOR ROMNEY AND SECRETARY OF STATE, UH, ANTHONY BLINKEN. AND THAT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING. I STAYED FOR A GOOD PART OF IT AND I HAD SOMETHING ELSE THAT I HAD TO ATTEND TO, BUT IT WAS PRETTY EXCITING. AND ONLY TO FIND OUT, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 12 YEARS, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? VICE MAYOR. AND WE HAD NEVER BEEN INVITED. AND, UM, THIS YEAR WE WERE, SO, I, I TAKE IT, UH, VERY REALLY SERIOUS. I WAS PRETTY EXCITED TO BE THERE. SO IT WAS AT ENCAMPMENT, THEY DID THE USUAL ENCHANTMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS. IT WAS QUITE IMPRESSIVE. SO, ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE. ONE LAST THING, JESSICA, YOU HAVE A PI COLLEGE. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A SMALL KIND OF COMMENT ABOUT YAVAPAI COLLEGE, WHICH FOR YEARS, YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, HAS TAKEN REVENUES FROM SEDONA AND FROM THE REST OF THE VERDE VALLEY AND SPENT THE MOST OF IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN TO BUILD UP THEIR PRESCOTT CAMPUS. DESPITE THIS SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN'S, TOTAL INVOLVEMENT AT ONE POINT IN TRYING TO CREATE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OUTCOME. AND THE REASON THIS HAPPENS IS THAT SEDONA AREA HAS ONE PERSON ON THE BOARD OF GOVERNING BOARD, AND PRESCOTT HAS THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR AND A HALF, FOUR AND A HALF. AND SO THIS SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN GETS NOTHING. I'M JUST QUOTING HERE FROM, OR READING HERE FROM AN UPDATE THAT I GET FROM AN ACTIVIST, BOB , WHO PAYS ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING WITH THE YAVAPAI COUNTY. YAVAPAI COMMUNITY COLLEGE IS ASKED TO ADD ANOTHER [00:30:01] 3.4% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE AFTER LAST YEAR'S 5% INCREASE. UM, AND THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS IS THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET VOTER APPROVAL FOR IT, THEY JUST GET TO DO IT. AND, UM, THEY'RE PROVIDING HOUSING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. THEY'RE BUSY BUYING PROPERTY TO DO THAT, AND THEY ARE NOT PARTICULARLY DOING IT ON THIS SITE. I JUST WANT IN, IN SHORT, JUST TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED REGARDING YAVAPAI COMMUNITY COLLEGE'S, UM, INTEREST PREDOMINANTLY BEING, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THEIR FINANCING AND WHAT THEY'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH ON THE PRESCOTT SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON. I ALSO FOLLOW MR. AFANT, AND, AND I KNOW THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. WHAT I, I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION PERHAPS UP HERE, WE KNOW THE ANSWER OR A CITY MANAGER, HAVE WE AS THE CITY EVER WRITTEN A LETTER TO THE YAVAPAI COLLEGE DISTRICT? I'M SURE THAT WE HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TIME TO REFRESH THAT OR, WELL, I COULD SAY FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THIS IS AN AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. SO IF WE COULD KEEP YOUR COM COMMENT SHORT. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. AND, UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, PERHAPS YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE AN UPDATE, UH, ONCE A MONTH IF YOU CAN. AGAIN, I, I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING AND REMINDING TO PEOPLE, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. I'D BE DELIGHTED TO DO SO. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, KURT. OKAY. UH, WE WILL GO TO, UM, PUBLIC FORUM. [6. PUBLIC FORUM ] WE HAVE ONE CARD. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, UH, MARCY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC FORUM COURT? OKAY. SO MIKE JOHNSON, OR EVEN IF YOU REMEMBER HOW TO DO THIS, YOU, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU HAVE, UH, THE, A CLOCK ON THE WALL. START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY WHERE YOU'RE FROM, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE FROM, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT. SO, HI, I'M MIKE JOHNSON, AND I LIVE IN THE CHAPEL AREA OF SEDONA FOR FOUR MONTHS NOW OR MORE. UH, THERE ARE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, UH, SUCH AS THE WATER TOWER TUNNEL, UPTOWN ROAD EXTENSION, AND NUMEROUS OTHER PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE DUMP TRUCKS AND OTHER TRUCKS THAT FIELD THE NEED TO ENGINE BRAKE. UH, INSTEAD OF PEDAL BRAKE, UH, OVER NEAR INDIAN CLIFFS ROAD AND HIGHWAY 1 79, I HEAR THEM LOUD AND CLEAR ENGINE BRAKING AS EARLY AS 6:00 AM WHEN THEY'RE OFF TO WORK. I, I AM ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO, UH, WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER OR ADOT TO ERECT ENGINE BRAKES, UM, UH, PROHIBITED SIGNS AT INDIAN CLIFFS ROAD, UM, AND HIGHWAY 1 79 IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. THAT WOULD BE GOING INTO SEDONA, AS WELL AS GOING OUTTA SEDONA. UM, THE NOISE I FIND DISTURBING AND IF THEY JUST USE THEIR PEDAL BRAKES, UH, YOU'LL STILL HEAR THE TRUCK, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY NOT AS LOUD. THANK YOU. AND ONE OTHER NOTE, I HAVE TIME. YOU DO? OKAY. THANK YOU TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR, UH, AUTHORIZING THE, UH, THE PICKUP OF LANDSCAPING DEBRIS. UH, MINE WENT TODAY, I'M, UH, AREA NUMBER 12, I BELIEVE IT IS. AND, AND I SPOKE TO THE GENTLEMAN, UH, AND GAVE HIM WATER TOO. I, UH, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DID. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU, YOU HIRED THEM, AND I'M GLAD TO GET RID OF ALL THAT STUFF, UH, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT IN THE GARBAGE CAN OVER A PERIOD OF WEEKS. I THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MIKE. OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM SINCE WE HAVE NO OTHERS. AND THEN WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION. [7. PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS & AWARDS] JACK ROSS IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF, UH, SAFECO, AND WE'LL READ THIS PROCLAMATION ABOUT MEMORIAL DAY, UH, WHEREAS MONDAY, MAY 27TH, 2024, IN CITIES AND TOWNS THROUGHOUT OUR NATION, AMERICANS WERE JOINED TOGETHER TO HONOR THE FALLEN HEROES OF OUR ARMED FORCES ON THE HUNDRED 56TH ANNIVERSARY OF MEMORIAL DAY. AND WHEREAS IN MAY, 1868 GEN, UH, MAJOR GENERAL JOHN LOGAN CALLED FOR A NATIONWIDE DAY OF REMEMBRANCE TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES SERVING OUR COUNTRY, WHICH WOULD BE DESIGNATED MEMORIAL DAY BY CONGRESS. AND WHEREAS OVER 8,000 VETERANS OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES CURRENTLY RESIDE IN THE VERDE VALLEY, AND WHEREAS OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM HAVE SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES TO MAINTAIN THE SECURITY OF OUR GREAT NATION AND THE LIBERTIES WE HOLD SO DEAR. [00:35:01] AND WHEREAS MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARD PEACE AND PROSPERITY IN THE WORLD, AND WHEREAS WE PLEDGE TO NEVER FORGET THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE ARMED FORCES WHO GAVE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE IN DEFENDING OUR FREEDOMS, WE SHOULD EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE, GRATITUDE TO THE FAMILIES OF OUR FALLEN WARRIORS. WE MUST KEEP FAITH WITH ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED IN OUR COUNTRY, IN THE, IN THE FIGHT OF PERMANENT PEACE. AND WE MUST HONOR OUR UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES. NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT JAB, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 27TH, 2024, AS MEMORIAL DAY IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, IN RECOGNITION OF ALL THOSE WHO HAVE MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE, UH, TO OUR NATION, UH, TO OUR NATION. AND THAT AT 0 9 0 0 OUR MEMORIAL DAY, UH, THE CEREMONY WILL BE CONDUCTED AT THE POSSE GROUNDS PAVILION, AND DIRECTED ALL FLAGS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA BE LOWERED TO HAVE STAFF FROM SUNRISE UNTIL NOON ON MAY, UH, 27TH, 2024, IN MEMORY OF THE FALLEN HEROES OF THE ARMED FORCES ISSUED THIS 14TH DAY OF MAY, 2024. I WANT TO BEFORE JACK, BEFORE YOU COME UP, WANT YOU START WORKING YOUR WAY UP. I WANT TO JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, A DIFFERENT LOCATION AS PAST, UH, EVENTS. THIS WILL BE A POSSE GROUNDS PARK AT THE, UH, PAVILION. SO EVERYBODY'S WELCOME TO ATTEND. AND LET'S GIVE THIS TO MIKE. NO, JACK, SORRY, I GOT FEELINGS. YOU KNOW, I KNOW , SO WHY DON'T YOU COME TO THE MIC SECOND FEW MORE. YES, SIR. YOU CAN JUST, PEOPLE FEEL LIKE HOW GOOD AFTERNOON FOLKS. I'M, UH, JACK ROSS. I'M A MEMBER OF THE SEDONA AREA VETERAN AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH. WE GOT A COUPLE OF OUR MEMBERS HERE, UH, JOHN MARTINEZ AND, UH, DAVE PRICE, IF YOU WANNA STAND UP. AND MY WIFE, CAMILLA, SHE'S WEARING ARMY GREEN, BUT, UH, RED, WHITE, AND BLUE, WE GOT THOSE SHIRTS. NORMALLY I'M OUTTA UNIFORM FOR OTHER REASONS. MEMORIAL DAY WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY, OUR MOTTO WITH OUR SAFE GO GROUP IS CONTINUING TO SERVE. SO WE TAKE ON THIS MEMORIAL DAY CEREMONY VERY SERIOUSLY. UH, WE DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE WITH ARMED FORCES DAY, WHICH IS THIS WEEKEND COMING UP. THAT'S WHEN WE RECOGNIZE ALL OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN UNIFORM AND VETERANS DAY IN THE FALL, WHICH, UH, THE HERITAGE MUSEUM PUTS ON A GREAT PROGRAM THAT'S FOR THE, THE OLDER FOLKS, MORE SEASONED THAT USED TO WEAR UNIFORMS. MEMORIAL DAY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER. UH, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT DID NOT MAKE IT HOME, AND THAT'S WHEN WE PAY TRIBUTE TO THEM. WE'VE GOT A GREAT LINEUP, UH, UH, COLONEL AL CORNELL, WHO WE ALL KNOW IN SEDONA IS OUR MASTER OF CEREMONIES. UH, DAVE PRICE IS OUR GUEST SPEAKER, RETIRED NAVY CAPTAIN, AND WE'RE SO PROUD TO HAVE, UH, ACTRESS GAIL EDWARDS SING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM AND GOD BLESS AMERICA. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WORKING WITH SAFECO. SO MAY 27TH AT THE PAVILION, PLEASE BE THERE. LET YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS KNOW, UH, IT'LL BE A MOVING CEREMONY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, JACK. OKAY, NOW WE'LL GET TO REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT A A [8.a. AB 3057 Discussion/possible action regarding the approval of a Construction Manager at Risk (CMAR), Construction Services contract for the Uptown Sedona Parking Garage Project with McCarthy Building Companies, Inc. in an amount not-to-exceed $17,545,098; and discussion/possible action regarding the approval of a Contract Amendment with Gabor Lorant Architects, Inc. in the amount of $154,070.00 for additional professional services associated with design of the Uptown Sedona Parking Garage.] IS AB 30 57 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CMAR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE, UH, UPTOWN OWNER PARKING GARAGE PROJECT WITH MCCARTHY BUILDING COMPANIES, INC. IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 17,545,098 FIVE YEAH. THOUSAND $98. AND DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH, UH, GARBER LAUREN ARCHITECTS IN THE AMOUNT OF 154,000 AT $70 FOR ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH DESIGN OF THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, COUNSEL, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE ASKED FOR THE VOTE TO BE SEPARATED, UH, TO THE END OF THIS, TO THE SECOND ITEM, ITEM B, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT SO THAT WE'LL VOTE FOR THIS ITEM AFTER WE VOTE FOR THE FUNDING. I'M NOT VOTING FOR THE FUNDING. UH, I'M SORRY. WELL, YOU GOT THE PARKING GARAGE FINANCE PLANNED FOR THE, BUT YOU, WE ARE GONNA BE VOTING FOR THIS AFTER THAT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND NO, JUST ALL THREE VOTES AT THE END. YEAH, WE'RE STILL GONNA VOTE ALL THREE. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IT ALL, BUT THIS IS WHAT, BECAUSE ALL I GOT IT. I GOT IT. OKAY. [00:40:02] SO I'M GONNA LEAD OFF TONIGHT. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CAN WE START WITH THE FIRST SLIDE THERE? SO YES, WE ARE PRESENTING THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK OR CMAR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTRACT TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE QUITE THE TEAM HERE TO HELP US WITH THIS PRESENTATION FROM THE CITY. YOU'VE GOT MYSELF LEADING OFF. UM, KURT HARRIS IS HERE AS YOUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND CITY ENGINEER. BOB WELCH IS HERE AS THE PROJECT MANAGER. HE'LL BE HELPING WITH THE PRESENTATION. AND THEN FROM GABOR LAUREN, THE, WE HAVE JAN, HE'S THE PRINCIPAL, OWNER AND ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT FROM MCCARTHY. WE'VE GOT A LARGE TEAM BACK THERE IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE. IF I MISS ANYBODY, YOU GUYS HELP ME OUT LATER WHEN YOU COME UP. BUT WE'VE GOT SEAN SLAUSON, UH, VP OF OPERATIONS IN ARIZONA. WE HAVE NICK PIERCE, THE PROJECT DIRECTOR. TED CHALA IS THE SENIOR ESTIMATOR, AND JASON SCHROEDER, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER. SO THEY'RE ALL FROM THE CONTRACTOR SIDE OF THE TEAM. LET ME ADD ANDY THAT WE ALSO HAVE KAT DUFFY WITH US. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. SHE IS THE ASSISTANT PROJECT MANAGER. THANK YOU, BOB. IS THAT IT? OKAY. FOR THE PRESENTATION OUTLINE, THE CITY WILL GO OVER THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT AND THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. GLA WILL DISCUSS THE PROJECT DESIGN, AND THEN MCCARTHY WILL DISCUSS THE CONSTRUCTION AND GMP. NOW, I JUST WANT TO DISCUSS, UM, THE FACT THAT MCCARTHY IS THE CMAR AS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. THIS PROJECT DID NOT GO THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL DESIGN BID BUILD PROCESS. MCCARTHY WAS SELECTED EARLY ON IN, IN THE DESIGN, UM, THROUGH A QUALIFICATION BASED PROCESS. SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DESIGN TEAM UNDER A DESIGN CONTRACT WITH THE REST OF THE TEAM, IDENTIFYING AND WORKING THROUGH CONSTRUCTABILITY ISSUES AND PURSUING COST REDUCTION, UH, OPTIONS THROUGH A VALUE ENGINEERING PROCESS. RECENTLY THEY'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GMP, THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, WHICH IS OUR CON, UH, CONSTRUCTION SERVICE CONTRACT, BIDDING WITH, UH, WITH SUBCONTRACTORS WORKING LONG HOURS THROUGH NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS TO GET TO A FINAL GMP. UM, AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS AS TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE STAFF FELT COMFORTABLE PRESENTING THIS TO COUNCIL. AND IT TOOK, IT TOOK SOME, UH, HEATED DEBATES, SOME, SOME DIRECT AND SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS, INCLUDING, UH, DISCUSSING THE OPTION TO MOVE ON WITH ANOTHER CONTRACTOR AND POSSIBLY BID OUT THE PROJECT IF WE COULDN'T GET TO THAT GMP THAT WE FELT COMFORTABLE PRESENTING. IN FACT, STAFF PULLED THIS ITEM FROM THE COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULE OVER A MONTH AGO WHEN STAFF DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE THE NUMBERS WERE AT THAT TIME. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, BOB. THANKS. SO THE HISTORY OF THE PARKING EVALUATION IN UPTOWN GOES WAY BACK, ACTUALLY, UH, PRIOR TO THE FIRST DATE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN 1993, A LOCAL ARCHITECTURE FIRM PUT TOGETHER THE UPTOWN CREEK AREA CONCEPT. THIS POINTED OUT THAT TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION WAS AN ISSUE IN UPTOWN AT THAT TIME. IN 2005, YOU CAN SEE WE COMPLETED OUR FIRST STUDY, WHICH IDENTIFIED THE, UH, PARKING NEEDS IN THE UPTOWN AREA AS ONE OF ONE OF THE AREAS OF STUDY IN 2012 THAT WAS ACTUALLY UPDATED AND THE PARKING GARAGE WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED AS A NEED FOR THE UPTOWN AREA. IN 2013, WE COMPLETED AN UPDATE TO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH AGAIN POINTED OUT PARKING NEEDS AND INTRODUCED OUR PARK ONE STRATEGY THAT WE'VE BEEN PURSUING SINCE THAT TIME. IN 2018, THE TRANSPORTATION MA MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED STRATEGY NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS PARKING NEEDS FOR THE UPTOWN AREA, WHICH INCLUDED A GARAGE IN 2019. THE NEEDS AND SITING ASSESSMENT WAS CO WAS COMPLETED, WHICH IDENTIFIED THE CURRENT SITE FOR THE UPTOWN GARAGE AS THE, AS A PREFERRED LOCATION IN 2020. ADDITIONAL STUDIES WERE COMPLETED, UH, RELATED TO THIS EFFORT. THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED [00:45:01] FOR THE GARAGE SITE, ALONG WITH THE SELECTION OF GLA AS THE DESIGN ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT IN 21, MCCARTHY WAS SELECTED AS THE CMAR CONTRACT, UH, CONTRACTOR IN 2021. WE ALSO COMPLETED THE ZONE CHANGE AND MAJOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE SITE. IN 2022, WE PAUSED THE PROJECT AND BEGAN THE UPTOWN PARKING ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS, WHICH WE LATER COMPLETED IN 2023. THIS ANALYSIS FOUND THE GARAGE TO STILL BE NEEDED AT THE SELECTED SITE, AND THIS WAS ALONG WITH ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE GARAGE AND THAT SITE. IN RELATION TO PARKING. WE FOUND THAT THE GARAGE PROVIDED CONVENIENT, CONSOLIDATED, ACCESSIBLE, AND WELL CONNECTED WITH A A DA FACILITIES, UM, SITE RELATED TO TRAFFIC. THE CONSOLIDATED PARKING HELPS IMPROVE TRAFFIC AND REDUCE CONGESTION BY REDUCING TRIPS AND PLACING THE GARAGE AT THE BEST LOCATION. WITH REGARD TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE, WE FOUND THAT CONSOLIDATED PARKING IS BEST TO WORK WITH IN EVACUATION OPERATIONS FOR TRANSIT. CONSOLIDATED PARKING WORKS BEST BY LINKING TO A CONSOLIDATED AREA AND THE RIGHT LOCATION AGAIN, AND WITH RESPECT TO CONSOLIDATED PARKING IN GENERAL, FEWER LOCATIONS WITH HIGH CAPACITY HELPS WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS. I MENTIONED. ULTIMATELY, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO PURSUE FINALIZING THE DESIGN OF THE GARAGE AND DEVELOPING A CONSTRUCTION COST WITH SEVERAL ITEMS TO PURSUE AND CONJUNCTION WITH DEVELOPING THE GARAGE. THE THESE ITEMS ARE EMPLOYEE PARKING, PARKING GUIDANCE, TECHNOLOGY COORDINATED WITH THE GARAGE, DEVELOPING A CONSOLIDATED PLAN FOR THE EXISTING PUBLIC PARKING, RESTRICTING NON-RESIDENT PARKING ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS, DEVELOPING A FINANCIAL PLAN FOR FUNDING THE GARAGE WITH USER FEES. THIS WAS AGAIN, DISCUSSED, AND I'LL COME BACK TO THIS IN A MINUTE, IN A MINUTE FOR MORE DISCUSSION, BUT THIS WAS DISCUSSED AGAIN IN DECEMBER OF 23, THIS LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID OUR PRIORITY SETTING MEETING WITH COUNCIL. WHEN THESE ITEMS WERE FURTHER DISCUSSED, THE PLAN GENERATED WAS THAT A PARKING MANAGER POSITION WOULD BE, WOULD OVERSEE THESE EFFORTS, WHICH WOULD BE PROPOSED IN THE FY 25 BUDGET. THEN LATER IN THE BUDGET RETREAT, WE CAME BACK TO THIS DISCUSSION WHERE WE DISCUSSED A PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT IN THE CI THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROGRAM BUDGET, A NEW PROJECT STEM, SEDONA IN MOTION, THREE E, WHICH IS THE PARKING GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY SOFTWARE ACQUISITION. IN ADDITION, THIS POSITION, THE, UM, PARKING MANAGER WAS INCLUDED IN THAT BUDGET, AND A JOB DESCRIPTION IS IN DRAFT FORM AWAITING APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE BUDGET. NOW, SO WHERE ARE WE WITH ALL OF THESE ITEMS? WITH REGARD TO EMPLOYEE PARKING, THE PARKING MANAGER WILL PURSUE THIS ASSESSMENT ALONG WITH UPTOWN BUSINESSES. THE PARKING GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY WILL CONTINUE TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE GARAGE EFFORT. THE PARKING MANAGER WILL PURSUE THIS SELECTION AND PROCUREMENT PROCESS WITH CONSIDERATION OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE WITH LOOKING AT THE GARAGE AS FAR AS THE CONSOLIDATION PLAN OF EXISTING PUBLIC PARKING. THE PARKING MANAGER WILL PURSUE THIS ALONG WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF IN COLLABORATION, AND THEY WILL LOOK AT THIS AS A LONG-TERM PLANNING EFFORT AS WELL CON, UH, COORDINATED WITH CFA. AND I WOULD NOTE THAT THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS ALREADY IN PROCESS FOR CONSOLIDATION, NOTABLY 4 0 1 JORDAN, AND POSSIBLY LOOKING AT, UM, SOME USE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THE MUNICIPAL LOT IN UPTOWN WITH RESPECT TO RESTRICTING NON-RESIDENT PARKING ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS. AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO THE OVERALL CE STRATEGY AND THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. THIS HAS BEEN LOOKED AT AND IS PART ALREADY OF THAT, OF THAT STRATEGY. THIS IS LIKELY TO BE A RESIDENT PERMIT SYSTEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LIKE WHAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED IN THE SOLDIER PASS AREA. [00:50:01] AND THIS WILL LIKELY BE MADE UP OF SOME AREAS RESTRICTING PARKING AND SOME AREAS ALLOWING PERMITTED PARKING WHERE WE RESTRICT PARKING. WE WOULD LOOK TO MAKE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS LIKE SHARED USE AND INCLUDE SHARED USE PATHS IN FACILITIES LIKE THAT. AGAIN, THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE ULTIMATE, ULTIMATE PARKING NEEDS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE NEED CONSOLIDATED PARKING. UM, LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A FINANCIAL PLAN FOR, UH, FUNDING THE GARAGE WITH USER FEES, THAT IS PART OF WHAT'S IN OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. NOW WITH REDESIGN, UH, ENGAGED BY OUR, BY OUR PROJECT TEAM, THE DESIGN IS NOW NEARLY COMPLETE AND A GMP IS PROPOSED, WHICH THOSE THINGS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL LATER ON. NOW, BOB, WE'LL GET INTO TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. YEAH, REAL QUICKLY, I JUST HAVE ACTUALLY, BOB, LET ME SAY ONE THING REAL QUICK. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG, IT'S NOT OUR EXPECTATION THAT COUNSEL HOLD THOSE UNTIL THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNRE UNREASONABLE. WE HAVE QUITE A LENGTHY PRESENTATION, SO IF YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO, THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ANDY. UH, HAPPY TO BE HERE, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS TONIGHT WITH YOU. UH, MY NAME IS BOB WELCH. I'M AN ASSOCIATE CITY ENGINEER, BLESS YOU, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA, AND I'M ACTING AS PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS PROJECT. CAN'T REALLY HEAR YOU, BOB. YEAH, MAN. CLO CLOSER. YEP. OKAY. MUCH BETTER. BOB. . I THINK THE LAST TIME I WAS TALKING INTO ONE OF THESE, IT WAS, I GOT THAT HUM THUMP SOUND, WHATEVER, BUT, UH, AT ANY RATE, I'M SORRY. UH, SO I'M, I'M GONNA DE LEAD OFF HERE WITH A COUPLE OF SLIDES AND THEN I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO, UH, OUR ARCHITECT, UH, JAN LAURENT WITH GABOR, UH, GABOR LAURENT ARCHITECTS. UH, REAL BRIEFLY, WE DID, UM, AS PART OF THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT, WE INCLUDED PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR EFFORTS. UH, WE HELD FOUR PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETINGS, STARTING OUT WITH THE CONCEPT DESIGN AND EXTENDING ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. UH, WE WORKED WITH A PLANNING AND ZONING ON TWO WORK SESSIONS. ONE HAD TO DO WITH THE CFA AND THE OTHER HAD TO DO WITH THE PARKING GARAGE ITSELF. TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS WERE HELD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING, ONE ON THE CFA AND ZONING CHANGE, AS WELL AS ONE ON THE PARKING GARAGE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. WE HAD A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROJECT. WE HELD THREE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, UH, BEGINNING WITH THE SCOPING PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WORKING THROUGH THE SCHEMATIC PHASE, AS WELL AS THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE. THE STAKEHOLDERS ON OUR PROJECT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPTOWN PARKING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SEDONA POLICE, SEDONA FIRE, THE CITY OF SEDONA IT DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OF SEDONA FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OF SEDONA, SEDONA PUBLIC WORKS. AND THIS WAS RELATED TO THE HIGHWAY, UH, MANAGER, THE CITY OF SEDONA TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR, AND ONE OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, QUEST, IIE CENTURY LINK AS WELL. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OFF TOOR LAURENT AND INTRODUCE AGAIN, JAN LAURENT. UH, HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE, UH, BUILDING AND THE SITE DESIGN. JOHN, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, THANKS SO MUCH FOR MAKING TIME FOR US HERE. THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. NEXT SLIDE IS, UH, REALLY QUITE UNUSUAL. AS BOB MENTIONED, WE HAD A VERY EXTENSIVE OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC, WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH A RANGE OF CITY DEPARTMENTS, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, FOLKS TO PUT TOGETHER A DESIGN SOLUTION THAT WAS UNIQUE TO WHAT WE REALLY SEE AS THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND WHAT, UH, UH, BECAME OUR INSPIRATION, REALLY, AND THE CORE DIALOGUE THAT WE HAD IN OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS WAS TALKING ABOUT THESE UNIQUE FEATURES, AND PARTICULARLY THE MOUNTAIN FORMATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE HERE IN SEDONA. UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME ACROSS LOUD AND CLEAR WAS HOW DO WE GO ABOUT SELECTING MATERIALS IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE SPEAK TO THAT KIND OF HISTORY, THAT BEAUTIFUL NATURAL SETTING. UH, SO THAT IS VERY MUCH WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE DESIGN SOLUTION, KIND OF NOT YOUR MOST, UH, TYPICAL CREATIVE KIND OF PLACE. IS A PARKING GARAGE, USUALLY A BOXY, VERY FUNCTIONAL KIND OF THING. SO OUR INTENT WAS TO TRY AND BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS BUSINESS. UH, AND ALSO TO PICK UP ON THE THEMES [00:55:01] THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD SPEAK TO THIS IDEA, UH, THAT WE ARE A GARAGE. AND, AND THIS IS A GARAGE IN A VERY INCREDIBLE SPECIAL SETTING. UH, SO THE MATERIALS THAT WE'VE SELECTED, UH, WE, WE'VE GOT, UH, UH, CONCRETE WALLS THAT ARE LAYERED UP WITH COLORS, UH, THAT REFLECT THE MOUNTAIN SCAPE LAYERING THAT WE HAVE. UH, WE'VE USED AN UNDULATING METAL FORM THAT DISGUISES KIND OF THE UPPER LEVEL, UH, THAT IS A RUSTY KIND OF COLOR THAT AGAIN, SPEAKS TO THE IRON ORE, UH, THAT MAKE UP THE ROCK FORMATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE. WE'RE GOING TO HARVEST THE LARGE ROCK THAT WE HAVE EXCAVATED FROM THE SITE, ARRANGE THAT IN WHAT'S CALLED GABON WALLS, UH, THAT WILL BE SITE FEATURES WITHIN THE, UH, SOLUTION ITSELF. UH, WE'VE ALSO USED MASONRY THAT IS COLORED. THE COLORATION IS SUCH THAT IT SPEAKS AGAIN TO THAT KIND OF CHARACTER. SO THAT HAS LED TO THE SOLUTION THAT, UH, WE'LL SEE HERE IN THE NEXT SLIDE. AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE HAVE THE UNDULATING FORM THAT IS THE, UH, SHAPE, UH, OF THAT UPPER, UH, KIND OF VIEWING PLATFORM, UH, WITH A NOD TO THE, UH, ENERGY ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, KIND OF CHARACTER THAT WE SEE HERE, UH, HAS BEEN ADOPTED IN SEDONA. WE HAVE A, AN ARRAY OF SOLAR, UH, PANELS THAT, UH, PROVIDE SHADE, UH, FOR WHAT AMOUNTS TO A BEAUTIFUL, UH, VIEWING PLATFORM WHERE YOU HAVE A PANORAMIC VIEW OF ALL OF THE WONDERFUL ROCKS, UH, AND ROCK FORMATIONS THAT ARE THE MOUNTAIN SCAPE. UH, LOOKING TO THE SOUTH. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL NOTICE AS WELL IS THAT WE'VE BEEN SENSITIVE TO THE TRANSIT SIDE OF THINGS. SO WE HAVE BIKE PARKING, WE HAVE INFORMATION KIOSKS, WE HAVE A RANGE OF THINGS THAT ARE REALLY SPEAKING TO THAT LONGER VIEW IN TERMS OF TRANSIT AND HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THAT HERE WITHIN THE CITY OF, OF SEDONA. UH, WE ALSO, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, HAVE A RATHER UNUSUAL KIND OF, UH, CONFIGURATION WHEN IT COMES TO A PARKING STRUCTURE. WE'VE LITERALLY CARVED THE STRUCTURE INTO THE HILLSIDE. OUR SITE SLOPES ABOUT THREE FEET FROM WEST TO EAST, AND THEN IT CLIMBS UP ABOUT ALMOST 20 FEET AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER. UH, IT'S A LITTLE LOWER ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, ABOUT 10 FEET OR SO. UH, SO WE HAVE CARVED THE, UH, THE FACILITY INTO THE HILLSIDE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE THIRD ELEVATION FROM THE TOP, UH, THAT IS THE VIEW THAT WE HAVE ON THE NO SIDE OF THE FACILITY, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE, UH, TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS. YOU CAN SEE ON THE TWO ELEVATIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, SECOND AND FOURTH, UH, THE KIND OF SLOPING CHARACTER, PARTICULARLY ON THE WEST SIDE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE VIEW AT THE TOP OF THE FOREST ROAD ELEVATION WITH THE UNDULATING, UH, SCREEN WALL, UH, AS WELL AS THE ENTRANCE AT THE GROUND LEVEL. UH, THE GARAGE, UH, DIVES DOWN INTO THE GROUND A FULL LEVEL IN ADDITION TO THAT GROUND LEVEL. AND THEN THERE IS ONLY ONE ELEVATED LEVEL, UH, NEXT SLIDE THAT IS, UH, UH, ACCOMMODATING A RANGE OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO OUR TOTAL IS 270 SPACES OF WHICH 249 ARE STANDARD SPACES. UH, SIX ARE FOR EV CHARGING. THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS THAT WE WORKED THROUGH MOST RECENTLY THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING THAT CAPABILITY. UH, WE HAVE SEVEN ACCESSIBLE SPACES AS WELL AT THE GROUND LEVEL. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE EIGHT MOTORCYCLE SPACES FOR THAT GRAND TOTAL OF 270. SO, AGAIN, TOUCHING ON SOME OF THE DESIGN CHALLENGES AND THINGS THAT, UH, WERE A BIT UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. UH, WE HAVE A RELATIVELY, IT'S A, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF LAND, VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF LAND, BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF PARKING STRUCTURES, IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY GENEROUS IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF LAND AREA THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. UH, SO THAT SENT US IN A DIRECTION WHERE WE WERE USING WHAT'S CALLED A JUMP RAMP CONFIGURATION, WHERE WE HAVE RAMPS BETWEEN HALF LEVELS. UH, YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT, THOSE RAMPS THEMSELVES. THIS IS THE PICTURE OF THE GROUND LEVEL. SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CIRCLE IN THE GARAGE, VERY IMPORTANT WITH A SMALL GARAGE, NOT EXACTLY CONVENTIONAL, BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANNA HAVE, WHEN YOU HAVE RELATIVELY FEW SPACES AND 270 IS A FAIRLY, IT'S THE A MODEST SIZE GARAGE. UH, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE GETTING TO A DEAD END AND THEN SUDDENLY HAVING TO BACK OUT AND DO THINGS THAT ARE, ARE DIFFICULT. SO THAT SENT US IN A DIRECTION WHERE WE HAD THE JUMP RANK, UH, CONFIGURATION. UH, YOU'LL SEE, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AMENITIES AT THAT GROUND LEVEL AS WELL IN A LATER SLIDE, BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE JUST QUICKLY THE EV CHARGING STATIONS AS WELL. UH, THAT'S THE HALF DOZEN WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN EXPAND THAT TO AS MANY AS 10 IN THE FUTURE. UH, AN ARRANGEMENT WAS WORKED WITH ELECTRIFY AMERICA BETWEEN THE CITY, UH, TO WORK THAT OUT SO THAT THEY WILL HAVE THAT CHARGING CAPABILITY. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE HANDICAP SPACES AS WELL. AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED AT THE GROUND LEVEL, UH, THAT YOU SEE FURTHER TO THE WEST. BUT, UH, JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT, UH, CONFIGURATION, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DOTTED LINE ACROSS THE TOP ON THE LOWER ELEVATION. THAT'S THE SLOPE AT THE BACK FACE, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE, THE NORTH FACE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AS [01:00:01] WE CUT THROUGH ON THE SECTION UP ABOVE THE CROSS-SECTIONAL CONFIGURATION, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'VE TUCKED IT INTO THE HILLSIDE. ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES WITH THE JUMP, UH, RAMP ARRANGEMENT IS THAT WE DO KIND OF HAVE A HALF LEVEL CONFIGURATION SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DIG QUITE AS DEEP AND GET THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT WE STILL DO HAVE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT HARD DIG, UH, THAT HAS TO BE MADE INTO THIS HILLSIDE TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THIS, UH, CONFIGURATION. UH, THE SLOPE ACROSS, AGAIN FROM WEST TO EAST IS FOLLOWING VERY MUCH THE NATURAL TRAIN THAT WE HAD AT FOREST ROAD. SO WE HAVE ABOUT THREE FEET OF FALL, UH, THERE TO AGAIN, TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT EXCAVATION. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE, ONE OF THE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE WORKED VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE WAS TO PRESERVE THE VIEWS OF THE MOUNTAIN SCAPES. SO THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE RESIDENCE RIGHT THERE ON THE PATIO, UH, THAT'S OFF THE NORTHWEST CORNER. UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GARAGE IS LARGELY, UH, OUT OF THE VIEW OF THE MAJOR MOUNTAIN SCAPES AND SO FORTH. IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY, UH, RATHER SIMPLE FOREGROUND KIND OF ELEMENT. WE DID MODEL, THIS WAS OUR WORST CASE SCENARIO IN TERMS OF PROFILE. UH, THERE WAS EARLY TALK ABOUT HAVING A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT, UH, SOLAR ARRAY. SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE FOREGROUND, THERE IS A SOLAR ARRAY THAT WILL ACTUALLY, UH, NOT BE IN, IN THE, UH, CONFIGURATION. IT'S ONLY GONNA BE DOWN ON THE LOWER LEVEL. SO YOU'LL EVEN HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT IN TERMS OF THAT, UH, THAT KIND OF VISTA. UH, THE COUPLE OF BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE IN THE, YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. WHAT STRUCTURE IS THE WHITE ROOFED BUILDING THAT'S OFF TO YEP, RIGHT THERE. THAT IS THE EXISTING FIRE FACILITY THAT YOU HAVE DIRECTLY ACROSS FOREST ROAD, AND THAT IS MODELED CORRECTLY. OKAY. IN FACT, I WAS THE NEXT POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE, SO THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT, UH, COUNSELOR. SO AGAIN, UH, VERY MUCH A, A KEY ELEMENT THAT WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS, THAT WE NEEDED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND MINIMIZE THE IMPACT AND CERTAINLY NOT IMPACT, UH, IN ANY KIND OF WAY THAT, UH, WOULD BLOCK THEIR VIEWS AND OF THE VISTAS OF THE MOUNTAIN SCAPE. SO THIS IS VERY MUCH A LITERAL VIEW. AND THEN NEXT SLIDE. UH, THE HARD DIG IS UNDERWAY WITH FOREST ROADS. SO WE HAVE A PARTIAL, UH, EXCAVATION THAT'S TAKEN PLACE. UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE UTILITIES AND SO FORTH, FORTH THAT ARE STAGED ON THE SITE. UH, THE LOWER RIGHT HAND PHOTOGRAPH WHERE THE FENCE IS SITTING IS BASICALLY WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS MORE OR LESS. UH, AND THESE ARE ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEING STOCKPILED WITH THE, UH, THE WORK THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH FOREST ROAD. EXCUSE ME. YES, GO AHEAD. YOU, YOU USE THE WORD UNDERWAY, BUT THIS IS WORK THAT THERE'S NO DIGGING GOING ON CURRENTLY. THIS IS WORK THAT WAS IN PLACE AND THEN WE PAUSED. AND THIS IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF IT. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. THAT'S, THIS IS WORK THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE FIELD MATERIAL THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT. SO YOU MIGHT RECALL WE WERE, UH, LOOKING FOR ROUGHLY, UH, FOUR TO 5,000 YARDS OF MATERIAL TO INFILL ON THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT. UH, THE SENS SENSIBLE DIRECTION WAS TO GET IT FROM THE PARKING GARAGE SITE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HARD DIG, IT'S ONE FLOOR, ONE STORY, ONE FLOOR OF THE GARAGE BELOW THE CURRENT GROUND LEVEL, APPROXIMATELY, YES. FOR HALF IT'S A SPLIT SYSTEM. YEP. SO WE GOTTA GO DOWN, SPLIT THAT WAY. THE FRONT, THE, THE PART FACING FOREST ROAD IS DEEPER. THE PART TO THE NORTH IS HALF THAT DEPTH. CORRECT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED, NO CONSTRUCTION ON THE GARAGE, HAS CONSTRUCTION ON THE GARAGE STARTED? NO, IT HAS NOT. THANK YOU. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, ANOTHER OH, SORRY. VICE MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO COMMENT YOU MADE ABOUT THE SOLAR PANELS. YES. THE DECISION WAS MADE TO NOT PUT SOLAR ON THE ROOF. WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING WITH THE SOLAR PANELS. UH, THERE WERE FOUR OPTIONS, THREE OR FOUR OPTIONS THAT WERE REVIEWED. AND WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT TWO OF THOSE OPTIONS. ONE WAS SELECTED, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WE THINK MAKES SENSE NOW THAT WE HAVE A CLEARER PICTURE IN TERMS OF THE ELECTRICAL DEMANDS THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE. SO THAT'S COMING. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALWAYS. ANGIE, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING OR NO? NO. OKAY. CONTINUE ON. OKAY. ANOTHER ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS, AGAIN, WITH THE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY KIND OF THINKING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT HERE. UH, WE DO HAVE WHAT YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE LEAD ACCREDITED PROGRAM. IT'S KIND OF SISTER PROGRAM, IF YOU WILL, THAT'S BEEN ABSORBED. IS PARK SMART? THAT APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO PARKING STRUCTURES? UH, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE DIRECTION TO WORK WITH PARK SMART. UH, AND WHAT THAT AMOUNTS TO IS WE LOOK AT THE, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S DEPLOYED IN THE GARAGE. WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE WAY FINDING, WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE PLACE, UH, HOLDING AND THAT SORT OF THING, PLACE SETTING. UH, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE EVALUATED FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLINESS AS IT SPECIFICALLY APPLIES [01:05:01] TO A PARKING STRUCTURE. UH, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH AND HAVE, UH, IN ESSENCE, UH, DONE THE INITIAL EVALUATIONS. WE ARE CURRENTLY TRACKING BRONZE CERTIFICATION. WE COULD SPEND TWO HOURS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE LITTLE LOOSE ENDS, WE WON'T. BUT, UH, THE, THE SIMPLE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT, UH, VERY MUCH JUST COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UH, VARIOUS PLANNING, UH, DICTATES, PUTS US IN A PLACE WHERE WE'RE GETTING A BRONZE CERTIFICATION, AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PURSUING. UH, NEXT SLIDE. NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SOLAR ARRAY. UH, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL WAS A CONFIGURATION THAT LOOKED AT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 290 TO 300 SPACES. UH, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT CONFIGURATION, WE WERE LOOKING AT PROVIDING POWER, UH, FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING. SUBSEQUENTLY, THE, UH, ARRANGEMENTS WERE MADE WITH ELECTRIFY AMERICA AND THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE BATTERY REQUIREMENTS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, SPENDING MONEY THERE. SO THEY HAVE WORKED AWAY FROM THAT SOLAR REQUIREMENT. AND WITH THAT, WE, WE HAVE A REDUCED ELECTRICAL LOAD, UH, ONE FROM WHAT WAS INITIALLY, UH, PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL. THE ACTUAL BASELINE LOAD THAT WE HAVE REQUIRES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 80 TO 85 PANELS. WHEN I TALK ABOUT THAT BASELINE LOAD, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, WE HAVE BASEMENT SPACES, SO WE ALWAYS HAVE ELECTRIC LIGHTS ON IN THOSE SPACES. WE HAVE THINGS LIKE EXHAUST FANS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO EXHAUST THE AIR THAT'S INSIDE THE GARAGE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCUMULATION OF CO2. WE HAVE NOW A POLICE BEAT OFFICE THAT'S IN THE FACILITY, SO WE HAVE AIR CONDITIONING THERE. WE HAVE AN AIR CONDITIONING REQUIREMENT AND EXHAUST REQUIREMENTS FOR BATHROOMS. SO THOSE BASELINE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOW MET BY FEWER, UH, SOLAR PANELS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE BUILD THAT BASELINE SIDE, UH, SIZE OF ARRAY AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING LARGER THAT WOULD, UH, SUBSIDIZE A PS YES. COUNSELOR. SO WHERE IS THE POWER FROM THE, FOR THE CHARGERS COMING FROM? THEY WILL HAVE A SEPARATE SERVICE ENTRANCE SECTION, UH, FROM A PS, UH, AND THEY WILL BE PAYING FOR THAT POWER. OKAY. BUT THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN SOLAR. THE CHALLENGE WITH THE SOLAR IS THAT YOU NEED SO MUCH, AND IT'S A SORT OF A TRICKLE CHARGE. OKAY. WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS FAST CHARGERS. THEY WANTED THE FAST CHARGERS, WHICH IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH, WITH THIS LEVEL, WITH THE POSSIBLE LEVEL OF SOLAR. THANK YOU. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. PETE, DID YOU WANT TO JUMP KATHY? YES, COUNSEL. SO WITH THE REDUCTION, AND THIS ISN'T PRODUCING ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, IT'LL POWER THE GARAGE AND WHAT YOU ENUMERATED, BUT IT WILL NOT PRODUCE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO GO INTO THE GRID, THE UNIVERSAL GRID, THAT'S THE TARGET. THERE WILL BE TIMES, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE GARAGE IS NOT HEAVILY USED OR IF THE GARAGE IS COMPLETELY USED IN FULL, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE FANS BECAUSE THEY, AS A PARK SMART REQUIREMENT, THEY'RE OPERATED WITH A SENSOR. SO WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, BUT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WE'RE GONNA MANAGE THAT, UH, KIND OF BASELINE LOAD, IF YOU WILL, DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THAT PARTICULAR QUANTITY. THE 84 HAPPY. THAT'S THE ANSWER. I DON'T LIKE THE ANSWER, BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER. OKAY. THAT IS THE ANSWER, NOT THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT. IT'S DISAPPOINTING ANSWER. CONTINUE. OKAY. SO, UH, AGAIN, THAT BASELINE, UH, COVERAGE IS THERE. AND, UH, I THINK WITH THAT WE'RE READY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER AMENITIES, UH, THAT WE DO HAVE, UH, IN THE GARAGE THAT CAME UP. UH, AS THE, THE GARAGE DESIGN SOLUTION EVOLVED ON THE LEFT, THIS IS THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT WE HAVE IN ESSENCE BETWEEN THE ENTRANCE AND ONE OF THE EXITS FROM THE GARAGE. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE A POLICE BEAT OFFICE WORKING WITH THE, UH, UH, PD DEPARTMENT. THEY WERE VERY KEEN TO HAVE A PRESENCE IN UPTOWN, AND WE CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE FOUR OR FIVE, UH, OFFICERS STATIONED THERE ALONG WITH SPACE FOR STORAGE OF THEIR BICYCLES, UH, SO THAT THEY COULD ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE, UH, UH, POLICING OF THE UPTOWN COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE OUR ELEVATOR, UH, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE FACILITY THERE. WE HAVE A STAIRWELL AS WELL. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE STANDARD KIND OF COMPONENTS, BUT WE DO HAVE WHAT IS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL, NAMELY A RESTROOM, UH, SET UP THAT IS AT THE UPPER AND THE, UH, UH, GROUND LEVEL. SO WE HAVE WHAT AMOUNTS TO UNISEX RESTROOMS, UH, A QUARTET OF THEM BETWEEN THE TWO LEVELS. UH, AND THEN WE HAVE JANITORIAL STORAGE SPACE, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE MAINTAINING THOSE SPACES. AND FINALLY, DOWN BELOW IN THE BASEMENT, WE ALSO HAD A REQUEST FROM THE IT DEPARTMENT FOR A SERVER KIND OF CAPABILITY THERE. SO WE CAN GET COMMUNICATIONS FOR CITY FACILITIES AND THAT CAN BE A BIT OF A, OF A HUB FOR THAT ACTIVITY. TAKE A BREAK PLEASE, MAYOR. YEAH. UH, ANNETTE, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM PD HERE? [01:10:02] CHIEF? I DIDN'T. I THOUGHT SHE LEFT. NO, THE BACK. CAN I GET SOMEONE TO ANSWER A QUESTION FOR ME? PLEASE, CHIEF? AND I'M NOT SEEING IT. MAYBE IT'S MISSING, BUT IN THE POLICE ROOM, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY COOL, BUT DO, WOULD YOU REQUIRE A BATHROOM, SEPARATE BATHROOM FOR SECURE USE? UH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT. UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT WE HAVE, RIGHT? UM, WE DON'T TYPICALLY LIKE TO BE EXPOSED DURING THAT TIME, SO IF WE'RE, WE HAVE A WAY TO, TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT IT DEFINITELY WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR US. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I SEE MISSING AND I, I, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUE WOULD BE. WAS THAT NOT DISCUSSED? UH, WELL WE WERE TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT KIND OF BUDGET NUMBER, SO I I, I TOTALLY GET THAT, BUT, YEP. SO THAT WAS THE BALANCING ACT, UH, MM-HMM. , IT WAS NOT AN EASY DECISION, BUT THAT, THAT IS WHERE WE DID LAND. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND AND HAVE WORKED EXTENSIVELY, UH, WITH PD DEPARTMENTS WELL THROUGHOUT THE NATION, ACTUALLY. SO, UM, AND CHIEF, IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT A BICYCLE UNIT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING TO EXPLORE IN THE FUTURE? UH, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT COMING UP THE LAST COUPLE OF BUDGETS, SO, UH, SORRY, I DIDN'T SAY, UM, GOOD EVENING AT FIRST, BUT GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND, UH, COUNSELOR. SO YES, WE ALREADY HAVE A BICYCLE PROGRAM. IT'S JUST BEEN ON HOLD UNTIL, UM, WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE INTO TRAINING. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE BICYCLES CURRENTLY IN OUR GARAGE HERE. SO AS WE GET, UM, BETTER IN OUR STAFFING AND WE CAN DESIGNATE SOMEBODY TO BE MORE INTO UPTOWN, THAT IS A GOAL THAT WE HAVE. UM, WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION AND TIMEFRAME FOR THAT? IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON STAFFING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BATHROOM. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF BEFORE SHE NO, NOT THE CHIEF, BUT THE TOPIC. OKAY. BRIAN. BRIAN. YEAH, I, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR ME. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY A SECURE BATHROOM IS NEEDED OVER ONE OF THESE OTHER ONES. I LIKE, I TOTALLY DON'T GET THAT. SO A LOT OF THE TIME IS IF, UM, EVER THERE'S A MOMENT THAT YOU'RE VULNERABLE, IT'S WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT NOT BEING EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO YOU GUN BELTS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO FOLLOW YOU IN THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AND YOU'RE GONNA BE AT A DISADVANTAGE. SO TYPICALLY WE ONLY USE BATHROOMS THAT ARE SECURE AND SINGLE IN NATURE. DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE COULDN'T, UM, IF THIS, YOU KNOW, THROWS A, A WRENCH INTO IT, THAT THERE AREN'T OTHER AREAS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO US, MEANING BREWER ROAD, UM, AND, AND USING, YOU KNOW, THAT CURRENT FACILITY. BUT TYPICALLY, UM, IT, IT REALLY IS JUST THE VULNERABILITY THAT WE'RE PLACED AT THAT IN THAT MOMENT, WHEN YOU'RE NOT KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT ROOM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STUCK AND YOUR EQUIPMENT'S NOT, UM, CURRENTLY FULLY AROUND US LIKE WE PREFER THEN, UM, THERE'S JUST CHALLENGES AND WE'RE MORE LIKELY TO USE ANOTHER SPACE THAN, THAN THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO WHAT WE NEED TO. YEAH. I JUST, KATHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, I MEAN, IGNORANT, ADMITTEDLY IT'S A SINGLE USE BATHROOM, IT CAN BE LOCKED. THERE'S NOBODY IN THERE WITH YOU THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED SECURE. NO, THAT IS. I'M SORRY, I MISSED WELL, WHAT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL BATHROOMS. YEAH. I MUST HAVE MISSED IT. I'M, I APOLOGIZE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE SINGLE LOCKED, THEN YEAH, THAT TOTALLY NEEDS IT FOR US. SO THEY'VE GOT FOUR OF 'EM. OKAY. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. INDIVIDUAL USE, APOLOGIZE, UNISEX SINGLE PERSON AT A TIME. MAYBE A MOM GOES IN WITH KIDDO. THANKS. OKAY. AND ARE THEY LOCKABLE? OF COURSE. YES, THEY ARE. AND ARE THEY UNLOCKABLE FROM SOME EMERGENCY STANDPOINT? HOW DOES THEY ARE UNLOCKABLE, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE CORRECT TOOL. YOU MEAN LIKE, IF SOMEBODY TRIES TO TRAP ME IN THERE, PULLS THEIR CAR OR SOMEBODY ELSE DROPS HIMSELF IN THERE FOR THE NIGHT, SO, AND WE'LL PLAN ON PROVIDING HOOKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE BELTS AND ALL THE GOOD STUFF. SO YES. OKAY. SO THEN THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS SINGLE USE. IT LOOKS KINDA LARGE. YES, THEY ARE SINGLE USE. THERE'S NO GANG USE HERE. NO, THEN, THEN THAT'S FINE. UH, KATHY, I I HAVE A QUESTION. IT'S PARTIALLY ANSWERED, BUT RELATED IS HOW MANY CHIEF UM, OFFICERS DO YOU, YOU THINK WILL BE USING THIS ROOM AT ANY GIVEN TIME? I GUESS WHAT IS THE MOST THAT WOULD BE IN THERE? OR DO YOU BE PROJECTING THAT? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A FAIRLY SMALL ROOM THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE SIX FEET. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 400 SQUARE FEET. FEET. OH, 400. THANK YOU. YES. SO, UH, IT CAN HAVE ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO FOUR PEOPLE INSIDE OF IT. MEANING IT MIGHT BE WHERE A VOLUNTEER GOES. IT COULD BE WHERE ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE AIDES, COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS, AN OFFICER, UM, A SUPERVISOR. SO THAT SPACE WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY THAT'S IN THE FIELD AND, UM, WORKING. SO THAT WAY WE HAVE A, A PLACE TO DO OUR REPORTS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE COULD STAGE SOME EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE BICYCLES, BUT THERE COULD BE ALSO OTHER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TYPE EQUIPMENT THAT WE COULD STAGE THERE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE, LIKE YOU ALL KNOW WE HAVE ST. [01:15:01] PATRICK'S DAY PARADE. SO BY HAVING A SPACE, UM, THERE, THEN WE COULD ACTUALLY DO SOME OF OUR BRIEFINGS BEFORE AN EVENT OCCURS AND, AND JUST UTILIZE THE SPACE MORE CLOSER TO WHERE EVENTS HAPPEN IN UPTOWN. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, NOT FOR THE CHIEF THOUGH. OKAY. SO THANK YOU CHIEF AND THEN PETE HAS A QUESTION, SO THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. ON THIS SLIDE, BIKE RENTAL PARKING, WE TALKED ABOUT POLICE PARKING. WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC PARKING FOR BIKES? SOMEONE'S COMING IN UPTOWN. IT'S A STRUGGLE FOR ME TO FIND A GOOD SECURE PLACE TO LOCK MY BIKE AS IT IS. MM-HMM, , THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT LOCATION. WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMMODATED? UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO GET INTO THAT DIALOGUE. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO WORK OUT WITH YOUR NEW TRANSIT, UH, PERSON ONCE THEY'RE HIRED, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE RIGHT BALANCE AND MIX IN THAT, IN THAT REGARD. BUT TO THE QUANTITY OF PARKING, I BELIEVE WE HAVE 22 SPACES. SO I THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH OF THOSE FUNCTIONS. AND WHEN YOU SAY 22 SPACES, I OFTEN THINK ABOUT, NO DISRESPECT INTENDED, BUT SOME OF THE, UH, BIKE PARKING STRUCTURES THAT ARE RIGHT HERE THAT REALLY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR A MODERN, SORT OF A FATTER TIRE, NOT FAT TIRE, BUT, YOU KNOW, E-BIKE WITH BIGGER TIRES THAT DON'T FIT IN THE NARROW, NARROW PARKING SPOTS. WHEN YOU SAY 22, YES SIR. IS IT THE NARROW, NARROW PARKING SPOTS OR IS IT A, A BETTER NUM UH, THERE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY'RE TWO FOOT 10 INCHES WIDE. SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD WIDTH FOR A NORMAL SET OF HANDLEBARS, THAT'S USUALLY THE DRIVER. 'CAUSE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, OUR PHYSICAL FRAME IS, IS ROUGHLY THAT WIDTH AND YOU GET A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND THAT GIVES YOU SOME MANEUVERING ROOM. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M COUNTING. NOW. SOMETIMES YOU'LL TRY AND PEOPLE WILL COUNT THAT AS TWO SPACES. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. CONTINUE. UH, WELL, A COUPLE OF THE OTHER KEY AMENITIES THAT WE'VE INCLUDED, WATER, UH, BOTTLE FILLING STATION, UH, THERE WILL BE A KIOSK FOR INFORMATION AND ALSO THAT UPPER LEVEL, UH, WE'VE INCLUDED PLAQUES FOR TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE ROCK FORMATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS NOT JUST A PLACE TO DUMP YOUR CAR AND GET ONTO THINGS. THIS REALLY IS SUCH A SPECTACULAR VIEW. IT'S A WONDERFUL AMENITY. UH, AND ALSO A GOOD INTRODUCTION FOR THAT FIRST TIME, UH, VISITOR, UH, TO THE CITY OF SEDONA, TO THE TOWN OF SEDONA. WITH THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE, WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WONDERFUL IMPRESSION THAT CAN BE CREATED FROM THE MOMENT YOU ARRIVE. AND WITH THAT, I THINK I'M READY TO HAND IT OFF TO THE CONSTRUCTION FOLKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON? I DO, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN ON THE OVERALL COST OF THIS STRUCTURE. WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING THERE. THAT'S COMING. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE. THE ARCHITECTURE. OKAY. BLESS YOU. CERTAINLY IT'S POSSIBLE TO BUILD A GENERIC GARAGE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE A BIT OF A CHALLENGE TO DO A GENERIC GARAGE AND GET THROUGH THE P AND Z PROCESS AND ALL THE OTHER, WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT GENERIC WITHOUT THE ADDITIONS AND THE AMENITIES, RIGHT. AND WHAT YOU DID FOR SEDONA. I'M ASSUMING THAT A LOT OF THE EXTERIOR STUFF, THE CURIG AND STUFF LIKE THAT, UM, AT SOME POINT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL ENHANCEMENTS AND THE ENHANCEMENTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ADD TO THE COST. YES, THAT WILL BE DELINEATED. THANK YOU. THE, THE, THE BIGGEST CHUNK I WILL JUST GIVE YOU THE QUICK PREVIEW IS ACTUALLY THE EXCAVATION INTO THE HILLSIDE. NO, I KNOW. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT UNDERSTAND ABOUT CONSTRUCTION. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WAY IT LOOKS AND THE AMENITIES THAT IT PROVIDES AS, AS ADDING TO THE COST. SO ANDY, YOU'LL GET TO THAT LATER. WE DO HAVE A SLIDE TOWARDS THE END AND MAYBE Y CAN COME BACK UP TO HELP OUT WITH HAPPY DISCUSSION. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO I'M GONNA BRING, UH, JASON SCHROEDER TO MY RIGHT TO THE, UH, DESK HERE. AND, UH, WE HAVE WITH ME ALSO, UH, TA CHILD. UM, JASON IS THE CONS CONCRETE CONSTRUC. I PULL MIC CLOSER. JASON IS THE CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION SPECIALIST FOR MCCARTHY BUILDING COMPANY. SO HE'S GONNA LEAD OFF WITH A LITTLE, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROCESS OF BUILDING THE PARKING GARAGE. WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOME SLIDES WITH YOU THAT WILL KIND OF ILLUSTRATE HOW THAT PARKING GARAGE COMES OUT OF THE GROUND, SO TO SPEAK. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL START THE SLIDE. SO THANKS FOR HAVING ME HERE. UM, PARKING GARAGE IS, [01:20:01] IT'S A TIGHT SITE THERE, SO I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH LIKE OUR SEQUENCING AND HOW WE'RE GONNA PLAN ON BUILDING IT. UM, WE'LL START WITH OUR EXCAVATION GOING DOWN. YOU CAN SEE IN THAT, UH, NORTHWEST CORNER, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR DEEPEST PART OF YOUR EXCAVATION, BRINGING IT DOWN. AND THEN, UH, WE COME IN AND SHOCK CREEK THE, THE ROCK AND STABILIZE THAT. SO ON THIS SLIDE, COUNSELORS, UH, FOREST ROAD WOULD BE LOCATED IN THIS AREA HERE. SO THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT AREA OF THE EXCAVATION, AND THIS WOULD BE THE BACK AREA OF THE EXCAVATION. NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT'S SHOWING YOUR, YOUR BASEMENT WALLS AND ALL THE SHOT CREEK AND ALL THE STRUCTURE ON THE OUTSIDE. KATHY. AND THEN AFTER THAT POINT QUESTION, GO AHEAD. WHAT IS THAT NOTCH IN THE BACK WALL INDICATING? THAT IS, UH, THE, THE MECHANICAL SHAFT VENTILATION, MECHANICAL SHAFT FOR VENTILATION FOR THE BASEMENT. UM, AT THIS POINT WE START PLACING OUR COLUMN FOUNDATIONS AT, UH, THAT CENTER, CENTER ROW ON THE LOWER SECTION. AND THEN, UH, WE'LL START PLACING COLUMNS. HOW, HOW DEEP DO THOSE COLUMN FOUNDATIONS GO BELOW THE GRADE OF THE REST? I WANNA SAY THEY'RE TWO FOOT, ACTUALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, WE'VE GOT INCREDIBLE BEARING CAPACITY BECAUSE OF THE ROCK. SO THEY'RE ONLY 12 INCHES DOWN. I'M SORRY. YEAH, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ONLINE WATCHING THIS TOO, MIKE. SO YOU COULD BE AT THE PODIUM OR YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONE FOOT DOWN. UM, THE THICKNESS OF THE FOOTINGS ARE A FOOT AND THEY'RE ABOUT, UH, EIGHT INCHES BELOW THE SLAB ELEVATION. SO ONE FOOT EIGHT ROUGHLY IS THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOTING, UH, AT THE LOWEST LEVELS. UH, AND AGAIN, THEY GO IN TEARS. SO YOU'RE SEEING THE CENTER ONES THERE THAT GO IN. SO ARE THE ROCKETS IN THE WAY OF THE GENERAL EXCAVATION? THE ROCK HELPS US WITH FOOTINGS IN THE END, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO AS DEEP. CORRECT. BEARING CAPACITY IS MUCH INCREASED. SO WE HAVE RELATIVELY SMALL FOOTINGS. TRADITIONALLY YOU WOULD HAVE A FOOTING THAT WOULD BE ON THE ORDER OF MAYBE SIX, SEVEN FOOT SQUARE. UH, OUR FOOTINGS ARE FOUR FOOT SQUARE ROCK. ROCK IS GOOD FOR, UH, FOUNDATION SUPPORT. CERTAINLY. UM, IT'S A PROBLEM THOUGH WHEN YOUR FOUNDATION IS QUITE A WAYS BELOW THAT ROCK LEVEL, SO IT HELPS AND HINDERS . SO AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD COME IN AND PUT THE LOWER SECTION OF THE COLUMNS IN AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD POUR THE BOTTOM SECTION SLAB ON GRADE. UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD BRING IN OUR BEAM FORM SYSTEM AND DECKS AND PLACE ON THAT LOWER SLAB ON GRADE. UM, THE GOOD PART ABOUT THIS GARAGE IS ALL OF THE FORMING EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING IS ALL HOUSED INSIDE THE GARAGE. SO IT REDUCES ALL THE IMPACT TO FOREST ROAD. UM, SO JASON, THESE ARE ALL CAST IN PLACE STRUCTURES TOO. THANK YOU. CORRECT. SO WITH THE CAST IN PLACE, WE DO HAVE TO BRING A CONCRETE PUMP OUT AND POUR THE DECKS AND THE SLAB ON GRADE AND ALL, ALL OF THE CON COLUMNS. SO THAT CONCRETE PUMP WOULD SIT ON FOREST ROAD, BUT AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE FLAGGERS ON BOTH END AND HAVE TO DO TRAFFIC CONTROL TO STILL KEEP THAT ROAD OPEN. SO JASON, UH, WE'RE SHOWING COLUMNS AND, UM, GIRDERS GOING IN ON THE FRONT HALF HERE AND NOTHING ON THE BACK HALF. SO THAT'S BECAUSE THAT BACK HALF IS, UH, SLAB ON GRADE AND THAT'S STEPS UP. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL ON THAT, THAT BACK HALF DUE TO THE ROCK EXCAVATION AND KEEPING THAT SEPARATE TIER SECTION COMING UP. MELISSA, JUST TWO QUESTIONS. UM, FIRST, DURING THE EXCAVATION PHASE, HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO TAKE? I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT AND THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY LOUD AND, AND A DISTURBANCE. I THINK IT WAS LIKE THREE MONTHS WE WE'RE HAVING COORDINATION MEETINGS ON THAT. AND IT'S, THE SCHEDULE HASN'T REALLY BEEN SET, BUT IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AROUND THREE MONTHS. YEAH, THREE MONTHS OF EXCAVATION THE ANTICIPATION FOR TWO TO THREE MONTHS, MONTHS TO GET THAT, UM, SITE EXCAVATED DOWN TO THE LOWEST LEVEL. OKAY. AND, UM, ARE YOU LOOKING AT JUST THE POUNDING THE ROCK AND REMOVING IT? ARE YOU LOOKING AT EXPLOSIVES? WHAT DO WE DO? WE HAVE AN IDEA. IT'S A COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO. SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME, UM, CONCERNS RELATIVE TO EXPLOSION. CERTAINLY BOTH PROXIMITY TO, UH, THE ADJOINING CENTURYLINK BUILDING, UM, AS WELL AS HOW WE EXCAVATE THAT ROCK IN PROXIMITY TO THE, THE PERIMETER. WE ARE LOOKING TO UTILIZE, UH, SOIL DEALING ALONG THE PERIMETERS. SO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A CLEAN POSSIBLE [01:25:01] FRACTURED SLOPE IN WHICH TO, UH, ANCHOR, UM, AND, AND WORK DOWN FROM THAT FOR OUR SOIL, UH, NAILING, WHICH IS A THING ROUTED INTO THE SLOPE. AND WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WHAT'S THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THE AREA OR THEY HAVE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA? IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT. SO ALL THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THE BLASTING SCHEDULE. THEY'LL, UM, BE SIGNS POSTED, ET CETERA. UM, THOSE PARTICULAR BUILDINGS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, UH, HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASSESSED FOR AND MOCK FOR SURVEY, UH, BLASTING, UH, BY ARIZONA MONITORING SERVICES. THERE ARE MONITORS SET UP ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE TO MONITOR THAT BLAST, UM, BLAST WAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE BLASTING WE DO IS WITHIN THE LIMITS THAT THE MONITORING SERVICES RECOMMENDS FOR THE BLASTING ON THAT SITE, BASED ON THE BUILDINGS THAT SURROUND THE PERIMETER. I I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, UM, ANYTIME YOU DO ANY OF THIS BLASTING WORK IN PARTICULAR, BESIDES A BLASTING SCHEDULE, WHICH PEOPLE WILL NOT PUT NECESSARILY ON THEIR, THEIR CALENDARS, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOTIFIED IF THIS PROJECT GOES AHEAD ABOUT WHEN BLASTING IS HAPPENING IN ADVANCE ENOUGH FOR THEM NOT TO WAKE UP ONE MORNING AND WONDER IF THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO END. SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE US HAVING CON CONSIDERATION FOR, FOR THE NOISE THAT'S GENERATED FOR THAT I ACKNOWLEDGE. AND WE HAVE A VERY NARROW, UH, OR SMALL PERIMETER FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. SO THE BLASTING WILL BE MARGINAL TO SAY THE LEAST. UM, AND THE PERIMETER ITSELF AND BEYOND WILL BE SURVEILLED DURING THE BLASTING TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO TRESPASSES WITHIN THE BLASTING ZONE. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY QUESTION ONE. SO QUESTION TWO IS, ONCE THE BLASTING IS DONE, WHICH UM, I WOULD ASSUME IS THE LOUDEST BIT, UM, HOW LOUD, HOW MUCH OF A DISTURBANCE WILL BE THE REST OF THIS POURING CONCRETE AND ALL THAT? IS THAT GOING TO BE REALLY LOUD? IS IT GONNA BE OBNOXIOUS? I KNOW IT'S INSIDE, BUT IT'S INSIDE NOTHING SO TO SPEAK. RIGHT? THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SHELL. YEAH. SO MONITORING, UH, PREVIOUS CONCRETE BORES AND STUFF ON OTHER PROJECTS WE RUN RIGHT AROUND 70 DECIBELS WHEN THE CONCRETE PUMP IS RUNNING AND WE'RE FULL BORE. SO 70 DECIBELS ISH DURING A FOUR HOUR PERIOD. THAT'S PRETTY LOUD, UM, FOR CONTINUOUS EXPOSURE BY THE WAY. UM, CAN I ASK, THAT'S ONE MORE QUESTION. THAT'S DIRECTLY AT THE PUMP, SO THAT'S RIGHT AT THE PUMP. SO THE FURTHER AWAY YOU GET, I MEAN IT YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST SORT OF FIGURE OUT LIKE WHAT THE NOISE, UH, RATIO IS GOING TO BE FURTHER, THE SORT OF EFFECT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET AS YOU MOVE OUT, AS YOU MOVE CLOSER TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING. THAT WOULD BE REALLY, UM, A GOOD, A GOOD THING I THINK TO KNOW. MY LAST QUESTION IS ACTUALLY THEN, UM, IT'S AROUND, UH, AIR QUALITY. SO THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN LIVING THE LAST WEEK WITH THE SMOKE, UM, WE'RE PRETTY SENSITIVE ABOUT AIR QUALITY AND, UM, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT MONITORING THE AIR QUALITY? I KNOW ADEC WILL HAVE STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET AS FAR AS DUST IN THE AIR PM 10:00 PM 2.5, BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IMPACTING PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING OR WORKING IN THE AREA WITH THIS SORT OF, UM, AIR POLLUTION POTENTIAL? SO, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY, UH, MONITOR EVERYTHING. UM, FOR DUST. WE'LL HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM SET UP, UM, SPRAYING DOWN ANY POSSIBLE DUST OR ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD GENERATE. SO I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROCESS, BUT WILL YOU ACTUALLY HAVE ANY KIND OF MONITORING SYSTEM THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE REACHING LEVELS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF, SAY, YELLOW, WHICH IS MODERATE? 'CAUSE ONCE YOU GET TO ORANGE, PEOPLE WHO HAVE BREATHING PROBLEMS ARE GOING TO SUFFER, UM, FROM THE, THE QUALITY OF THE AIR HOLD FOR ONE. ANDY, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT. SO I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS KIND OF EARLIER. THERE IS A-A-D-E-Q, UM, MONITORING DEVICE ON FOREST ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF MCCARTHY STAFF WERE AWARE OF THAT OR NOT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALERTED OUR INSPECTION STAFF TO AND ASK THEM TO CHECK IN ON THAT. WHERE'S THAT INY? IT'S ON FOREST ROAD. UM, FIREHOUSE AT, AT THE FIRE STATION? YEAH. IS THAT OKAY? THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE FINE. I BUT HOW, UH, JUST AS AN ASIDE, PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALERTED. 'CAUSE NOT EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN PERSONAL, UM, AIR STATION LIKE I DO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT'S MONITORING THE QUALITY OF THE OUTSIDE AIR. SO IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO ALERT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR TO ALERT PEOPLE IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE WE'RE MOVING INTO? OH, OUT OF YELLOW, MODERATE [01:30:01] AND INTO ORANGE OR ABOVE? WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. UM, IT IS NOT OUR EXPECTATION THAT THAT WILL IN CASE BE THE FACT THOUGH. UM, WE'VE NOW LOOKED BACK AT THIS MONITORING DEVICE FOR THE PAST MANY MONTHS AND WE CANNOT DRAW ANY CORRELATION BETWEEN ANY SPIKES IN BAD AIR QUALITY TO OUR PROJECTS. UM, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, THE SMOKE IS, IS CERTAINLY A BIG ISSUE, BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM OUR PROJECTS. OKAY. IF, IF WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME WAY OF COMMUNICATING TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, 'CAUSE WE CAN POTENTIALLY IMPACT PEOPLE WHO HAVE ASTHMA OR OTHER LUNG CONDITIONS IF WE GO BEYOND YELLOW. YES. THANK YOU COUNCILOR KINSELLA, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. UH, TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS A TWO PART, BUT THE EASY ONE FIRST, I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT, BUT WHAT IS THE FLUORESCENT GREEN INDICATING IN THE FRONT OF THE PROJECT? WHAT IS THAT SECTION? BECAUSE IT WASN'T THERE. IT IS THERE AND IT'S GONE AGAIN IN FUTURE SLIDES. THAT'S PROBABLY JUST A SECTION OF THE EXISTING SOIL. IT'S, IT'S NOTHING. THAT'S WHERE FOREST ROAD SITS, RIGHT? I KNOW, BUT IT, I JUST THOUGHT IT HAD SOME SIGNIFICANCE 'CAUSE IT WAS NOT PRESENT IN SEVERAL SLIDES AND IS PRESENT IN A FEW SLIDES AND IT'S GONE AGAIN. SO, SO WITH 3D MODELING, AS YOU'RE CUTTING THROUGH AT CERTAIN LEVELS, IT'LL PULL DIFFERENT, UH, CONTOURS AND IT'LL HIGHLIGHT. OKAY. SO THIS IS, WE DON'T PART OF THE PROGRAM BE CONCERNED OF ANY MEETING WITH THIS. OKAY. YEAH. THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS A IS A KIND OF A TWO-PARTER. WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, UM, SAFETY ISSUES RELATED TO EVACUATION NEEDS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY IN, IN THE UPTOWN AREA. AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN RELATION TO ONCE THE GARAGE IS IN EXISTENCE. MY QUESTION IS IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE IS HOW WILL THOSE CONCERNS BE ADDRESSED? BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT WITH MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRUCKS GOING INTO POOR CONCRETE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT SORT OF TRAFFIC THERE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE AND FOR THE SITE, AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN, SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN, HOW DOES THAT GET LEFT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS FOREMOST IN YOUR MINDS AS THAT IS A SENSITIVE AREA AND A SENSITIVE TOPIC FOR PEOPLE. YEAH, DEFINITELY. WITH MCCARTHY, WE'RE SAFETY'S FIRST ON EVERYTHING WE DO. UM, WE'LL BRING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN AND DO A EMERGENCY EVAC PLAN. WE'VE GOT, UH, SITE SPECIFIC SAFETY PLAN FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. UM, THEY'LL HAVE MUSTER POINTS WHERE WE'VE GOT A EVACUATION PLAN AND WE GO THROUGH THAT WITH ALL OF OUR ONSITE EMPLOYEES. UM, AND ARE YOUR EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE ON SITE, THE CONSTRUCTION TEAM, WILL THEY BE PARKING WITHIN THE SITE OR OUTSIDE THE SITE WHEN ONE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT ON CONGESTION OVERALL IN THAT AREA DURING CONSTRUCTION? SO NO, THEY WON'T BE PARKING ON SITE. THE SITE AS, UM, CLEARLY IS, UH, REALLY RELATIVELY LIMITED IN THAT REGARD. SO, UH, WE'RE ALLOCATING, UH, SPACE OVER AT 4 0 1 JORDAN FOR THAT PURPOSE AND THAT'LL BE RESTRICTED TO THAT. OKAY. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. HOW MUCH, BOB, I'M, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH OF 4 0 1 JORDAN WILL BE? UM, I, THAT HASN'T BEEN WORKED OUT AT, AT THIS STAGE, BUT I, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 20 TO 30 SPACES. AND HOW WILL THAT BE RESTRICTED? WILL THAT BE FENCED OFF THAT SECTION? YEAH, COULD BE. YEP. I'LL SAY YES BUT RESERVED. OKAY. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE AIR QUALITY. SO WE WE'RE PUTTING AMENITIES INTO THIS GARAGE THAT YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WERE UNUSUAL BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'RE LOCATED. IS THERE A HIGHER LEVEL ON THE MIC? ON THE MIC? YEAH. IS THERE A HIGHER LEVEL OF AIR QUALITY MONITORING? I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT IS BASIC AND THEN SOMETHING THAT'S ENHANCED, UH, THAT SINCE WE'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OFF THE CHARTS OF WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON THIS GARAGE, I WOULD HATE TO, YOU KNOW, DECIDE TO HOLD BACK MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY. BOB, WOULD YOU LIKE, UM, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, WE DO HAVE, UH, AS PART OF THE PARK SMART, UH, REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE CO2 MONITORS. UH, WE HAVE A SERIES OF FIVE FANS. UH, YOU SAW THAT SHAFT AT THE BACK, THAT'S ONE OF THE FIVE FANS. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE ARE MANAGING VERY EFFECTIVELY, UH, AND DISCHARGING ANY OF THAT CO2 AIR SO THAT THERE'S NO ACCUMULATION IN ANY KIND OF HARM. IT'S ALSO DISPERSED IN SUCH A WAY, UH, THAT IT'S VERY LIMITED IN TERMS OF THE QUANTITIES. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS [01:35:01] THAT WE ARE ABLE TO EXHAUST THAT AND THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UH, VERY SPECIFIC HEALTH REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT WE ARE USING AND, AND THAT MEASUREMENT REQUIREMENT, UH, IS PART OF THE OVERALL SYSTEM. SO IT'S ABOVE BASIC. THERE ARE, AGAIN, THE PARK SMART DOES GET YOU UP ANOTHER LEVEL. THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE DO HAVE THE CONFINEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE UNDERGROUND GARAGE. SO THAT DOES REQUIRE, UH, CERTAIN, UH, CODE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE BUILDING SAFETY CODE. SO WE ARE MEETING THOSE, UH, WE DO NOT NECESSARILY, BECAUSE THE TYPICAL GARAGE DOESN'T HAVE THE KIND OF CENTER HOLE THAT WE HAVE. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE ENHANCED, UH, VENTILATION THAT WILL IMPROVE THAT SITUATION FURTHER. SO WE ARE, WE ARE EXCEEDING THOSE MINIMUMS BY WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A, A HEALTHY AMOUNT. OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PETE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE? OKAY. ALRIGHT, CONTINUE. AND JUST KEEP IN MIND, WE DO HAVE AUDIENCE, WE HAVE CARDS FROM THE AUDIENCE WE WANT, BUT WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT UNTIL YOU'RE FINISHED WITH THE PRESENTATION FIRST, SO, OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA JUMP UP TO WHAT FLOOR? THE TOP FLOOR IN FRONT. UM, YEAH, WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT SLIDE RIGHT THERE. UM, SO AT THAT POINT, THE, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE HAD THE BEAM SHOWING THIS IS THE DECK, THE BEAMS IN THE DECK GET POURED TOGETHER. UM, AT THAT POINT WE'RE AT, YOU'VE CREATED SOME COLUMNS IN THE BACK NOW? YEAH, SO THE, THE COLUMNS GO INTO THE, THE BACK SECTION AND THEN WE'RE SHIFTING THE BEAMS FROM THE LOWER SECTION TO THE BACK SECTION AND THEN WORKING ON THE, THE NORTH HALF OF THE GARAGE. AND THEN, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY GROUND LEVEL HERE, COUNSELORS. AND THEN THIS IS THE HALF STORY ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR GROUND LEVEL IN THE BACK. AM I CORRECT IN THAT? YEP, YOU'RE CORRECT. AT THAT POINT, WE POURED THE NORTH HALF ELEVATED FIRST DECK AND THEN JUMPED TO THE FRONT AND, UH, CREATE THE BEAMING DECK ON THE FRONT SIDE. SO THIS IS THAT FRONT, THE, THE TOP FLOOR IN THE FRONT FACING FOREST ROAD, THE BEAMS, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR VIEWING DECK AREA THAT'S GOT THE, THE WAVY, UH, FRONT SLAB EDGE. AND THEN WE JUMP TO THE BACK DECK, MOVE THE BEAMS BACK TO THE BACK NORTH SECTION, AND THEN AT THAT POINT POUR THAT NORTH SECTION. UM, AT THAT POINT WE BREAK DOWN OUR SYSTEM, MOVE TO THE FRONT, AND THEN WE WILL BRING IN A CRANE, PICK ALL OF THE FORMING SYSTEM OFF AND PLACE ON A TRUCK AND SHIP 'EM OUT. AND THEN, UH, OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WE WOULD BE WORKING ON FINISHES AND ALL THE FACADE. AND SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE FINISHED SUPERSTRUCTURE OF THE PARKING GARAGE SHOWING THE TOP DECK, BOTH THE FRONT AND BACK. AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DRESSED OUT SHOWING THE PV PANELS, SOME OF THE STRIPING LIGHTING THAT GOES IN. UH, OF COURSE THE, UH, STEEL WAVY, UM, FACADE IN THE FRONT. AND WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO THE GMP DEVELOPMENT AND I'M GONNA HAVE TAS PARTICIPATE IN THIS WITH ME. THANK YOU JUDGE. JASON, QUESTION? YEAH, MELISSA. UM, SO TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, YOU'VE PUT MONTHS ON THESE, ASSUMING THAT ALL THINGS GO AS YOU PREDICT THEY'RE GOING TO GO. SO BASICALLY THIS IS A YEAR PROJECT BECAUSE ON TOP OF MONTH NINE YOU'VE GOT THE THREE MONTHS OF EXCAVATION, WHICH YOU DON'T SHOW IN THE DECK, BUT TO WHICH YOU ALLUDED. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS IS BASICALLY A 12 MONTH FROM START TO FINISH, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS AWARE THAT NINE MONTHS IS NOT THE BUILD TIME. THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL THREE MONTHS INVOLVED IN THIS. UM, MY, MY NEXT QUESTION, UM, AND I SEE, I SEE OUR SUSTAINABILITY EYES AND BACK. SO, UM, THIS IS A LOT OF CONCRETE AND UH, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT UPTOWN IS KIND OF LITTLE HEAT ISLAND, UM, INSIDE OF SEDONA. SO ARE, ARE THERE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ADDING TO THE HEAT IMPACT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING AND VISITING UP IN UPTOWN? GOOD EVENING. UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS? UH, YEAH, SO THAT COMPONENT OF THE, THE, THE, UH, HEAT ISLAND EFFECT WHEN WE HAVE, UH, SOLAR SYSTEMS THAT ARE, UH, NEARBY THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING SOME SHADING AS WELL AS HAVING THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES HAVING, UH, SHADING FOR THE VEHICLES, UH, FOR THE LIKE BASE LEVEL OR THE GROUND LEVEL AND THEN LOWER LEVEL BASEMENT COMPONENT. UH, THAT'S KIND OF MITIGATED A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. THE, THE CONCRETE ITSELF DOES HAVE [01:40:01] A, A KIND OF THAT HEAT COM COMPONENT EFFECT TO IT. UM, WE'RE KIND OF VIEWING IT AS A HOLISTIC LOOK TO WHERE THAT CONNECTIONS TO PUBLIC TRANSIT AND TO, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS AS WELL AS THE SOLAR THAT GIVE US A, AN OVERALL, UH, POSITIVE IMPACT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT COMPONENT. AND THEN, SO, UM, BRYCE MIGHT BE FORGETTING, BUT ANOTHER THING WE LOOKED AT WAS THE OFFSET OF, IF WE HAD THE SAME, UM, SPACE FOR THIS NUMBER OF, OF, OF PARKING SPACES PUT INTO ASPHALT PARKING LOTS, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE, UM, IN COMPARISON WITH THE GARAGE AND DO YOU RECALL THAT DISCUSSION? YEAH, SO IF, UH, IF YOU'RE CONSOLIDATING THE, THE PARKING INTO, UM, OR IF IT WAS IN MORE OF THE ASPHALT STRUCTURES OF IT, THAT ASPHALT HAS A HIGHER, UH, HEAT, UH, RETAINMENT THAN THE CONCRETE ITSELF. AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO COVERING A MUCH LARGER LAND, UH, LAND SPACE WITH THAT ASPHALT. SO CONSOLIDATING IN A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION, UH, WOULD BE MITIGATING THAT AS A, AS A, AS A OVERALL WHOLE FOR THE CITY WHEN YOU CONSOLIDATE THE PARKING AS A PART OF A PIECE OF THE, THE, THE, UH, PARKING KIND OF, UH, METHODOLOGY OR WHATNOT. SO, SO THANK YOU. I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR THE CHIEF. UM, THAT'S WHY SHE'S HERE. I, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT THIS, BUT WE'RE START, WE'RE GONNA START TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS. SO BEFORE WE GET THERE, UM, WHAT ABOUT SECURITY? SO I, I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS RAISED CONCERNS AROUND, UM, WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE WOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO USE THIS FACILITY UNBEKNOWNST TO THE POLICE DURING EVENING HOURS, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S, THERE'S CONCERNS AROUND, YOU KNOW, UH, BAD BEHAVIOR HAPPENING IN THE GARAGE. SO THERE'S BEEN ALL THESE, THESE COMMUNITY CONCERNS AROUND BASICALLY THE SECURITY OF, OF THE FACILITY, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT YOU HAD PLANNED, SO TO SPEAK FOR THAT. SURE. UM, SO PART OF WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS HAVING SECURITY SYSTEMS IN PLACE THAT WILL CONNECT TO OUR DISPATCH CENTER, WHICH IS ALWAYS 24 7. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE MANY SCREENS IN THE DISPATCH CENTER, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE LARGE SCREENS MONITORS IS, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT CAMERAS AROUND THE CITY COMPLEX AND AROUND, UM, SEDONA FOR SOME OF OUR OTHER, UM, AREAS LIKE BREWER AND THEN THE PARKING GARAGE. SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO VIEW IN REAL TIME AND MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, AND THEN ALSO BE ABLE TO, UM, THROUGH OUR RADIO SYSTEM, LET US KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT MOMENT. HOWEVER, ALSO HAVING AN OFFICE SPACE, THERE WILL BE A DETERRENT BECAUSE, UH, WE'LL HAVE VISIBILITY, UM, AND IT WILL REDUCE SOMEBODY'S WANT TO USE THAT AS AN AREA TO DO, UM, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. SO, UM, JUST SORT OF GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND I DON'T KNOW TO WHOM I'M ACTUALLY ASKING THIS QUESTION, BUT DO WE SEE THAT THIS BUILDING HAVING HOURS, LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY IT'S CLOSED, CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY IT'S OPEN THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE IT'S EMPTY AT CERTAIN POINTS OF TIME EXCEPT FOR WHATEVER THE POLICE CHOOSE TO PUT THEIR, THAT IS OUR ANTICIPATION. WE HAVEN'T FULLY NAILED DOWN EXACTLY WHAT THOSE HOURS ARE YET, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT ENDS UP BEING, YOU KNOW. THANK YOU BOTH. OKAY. I THINK, PETE, DID YOU HAVE? NOT YET. OKAY. WE'RE COMING. ALRIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANT, I WANNA, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. OKAY. SO, SO MOVING ON, WE'LL GET INTO THE GMP DEVELOPMENT OF THE, UM, PACKAGE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. ALRIGHT, SO I'LL LEAD OFF HERE. UH, WHAT WE'VE GOT IS A KIND OF A TIMELINE ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GMP STARTING WITH THE BASELINE COST THAT WAS DEVELOPED BACK IN AUGUST OF 2022. THIS WAS ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT WE COMPLETED THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT. AND, UH, WE WERE GIVING A, UM, UH, GMP PRICE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. AND THAT AMOUNT, AS I RECALL, WAS, UH, 13 SOMETHING MILLION, 13 AND A HALF. YEP, THAT'S CORRECT. 13 AND A HALF MILLION ROUGHLY. UH, WE HAD A CONTINUOUS TREND OF COURSE, UH, LEADING UP TO 2022. AND, UM, WE HAD ANOTHER ESTIMATE PREPARED IN JANUARY ABOUT THE SAME TIME. UM, WE HAD A, UH, HOLD ON THE PROJECT JUST SHORTLY THEREAFTER. UM, EXTENDED US FROM THE SECOND HALF OF 2022 UP TO ALMOST 2024, AT WHICH TIME WE, UH, REENGAGED THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE, UH, CMAR ON THE PROJECT AND PUT FORTH THE FINAL VALUE ENGINEERING AND GMP COSTS FOR, [01:45:01] FOR THE PROJECT. THERE WAS QUITE A, UH, A RUSH TO GET THESE, UH, UM, DESIGNS TOGETHER IN THE GMP, BUT, UH, UH, I THINK THE, UM, UH, CMAR DID A VALIANT EFFORT IN SOLICITING, SOLICITING A VERY HIGH NUMBER OF BIDS ACROSS A BROAD RANGE OF DISCIPLINES TO ARRIVE AT THE GMP. UH, THE GMP GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE IS, OF COURSE, AS YOU HAVE IT TODAY, UH, MAY 14TH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TIMELINE? MM. SO I'LL HAND THIS OVER TO YOU, TASSIAN. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT MCCARTHY WENT THROUGH. YEP. THANKS, BOB. AND, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR WEISS, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT. WE WANNA WALK THROUGH WHAT THAT GMP EFFORT OR HOW DID WE ESTABLISH OUR GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THIS PROJECT? UM, AT THE START, WE CONDUCTED A BID OUTREACH EVENT, UM, AND WE INVITED OVER 239 TRADE PARTNERS, UH, WITH A SPECIAL FOCUS ON MAXIMIZING LOCAL PARTICIPATION. SO THAT WOULD BE THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE ADJOINING AREAS, UH, CITY OF PRESCOTT, FLAGSTAFF, UH, COTTONWOOD, UH, AND ALSO EXTENDING SOME OF THE TRADE PARTNERS DOWN IN THE PHOENIX VALLEY. UM, WE DID THAT EFFORT, UH, TO ADVERTISE THE PROJECT, MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GETTING ENOUGH RESPONSES TO MAKE SURE, UH, UH, TOWARDS THE END THAT WE WERE PROVIDING THE BEST VALUE TO, TO THE CITY. UH, AS, AS A RESULT OF THAT EFFORT AND BID OUTREACH, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE 86 BIDS OUT OF THE 239 TRADE PARTNERS ACROSS 29 UNIQUE SCOPES OF WORK THAT WE IDENTIFIED ON THIS PROJECT, UH, FOLLOWED WITH, UH, AFTER RECEIVING THOSE 86 BIDS, UH, WE WENT THROUGH AN IN-DEPTH EVALUATION PROCESS, WHICH INVOLVED, UH, HAVING ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH OUR TRADE PARTNERS, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE CAPTURING THE RIGHT SCOPE OF WORK, UH, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT SCHEDULE, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT, UH, LABOR HOURS, AND, UM, DEDICATED TOWARDS THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROJECT. UM, GOING THROUGH THOSE, UH, DETAILS, SCOPE REVIEW SESSIONS, ENGAGING OUR, UH, PROJECT TEAM WHO'S BUILT GARAGES, UH, ACROSS THE NATION FOR, FOR A LONG TIME NOW. UH, WE WERE COMFORTABLE AND WE IDENTIFIED OUR LOW AND COMPLETE QUALIFIED TRADE PARTNERS, AND THOSE ARE THE TRADE PARTNERS WE HAVE INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS GMP. I'D LIKE TO, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, 239 TRADE PARTNERS, IS THAT UNIQUE COMPANIES OR IS THAT DIFFERENT BID PACKAGES? THERE'S 12 IN THIS ONE AND 20 IN THIS ONE, AND SOME OF THOSE COULD BE THE SAME NUMBER. THOSE ARE THE UNIQUE COMPANIES. 239 UNIQUE COMPANIES WERE INVOLVED. AND THEN THE 86, SAME KIND OF QUESTION, UNIQUE COMPANIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. ELSE? OKAY. OKAY. SO RIGHT AFTER THAT, STEP TWO OF EVALUATING AND, UH, IN DEPTH ANALYZING THE RIGHT SCOPE, UH, WE ALSO WENT THROUGH IN DEPTH CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEWS, REALLY IDENTIFYING HOW CAN WE BEST, UH, BUILD THIS GARAGE, UH, WITH THE SITE CON CONSTRAINTS, LOGISTICS, UH, A LOT OF THESE TRADE PARTNERS ARE ALSO TRAVELING, UH, 45 MINUTES OUT OF TOWN. UH, SOME OF THESE TRADE PARTNERS ARE COMING FROM PHOENIX, SO MAKING SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHT TRAVEL TIME AND HOW, HOW JUST CAN WE, UH, BE EFFICIENT IN, IN MANAGING AND, UH, CONSTRUCTING THIS GARAGE. UH, AND WE'RE GONNA HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE UNIQUE, UH, IDEAS THAT WE CAME UP WITH AS WE WERE PRICING THIS. UH, IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE ALSO, AS ANDY AND BOB MENTIONED, WENT THROUGH, UM, DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE COST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AND THE CITY MANAGEMENT WAS COMFORTABLE IN, UH, IN THIS NUMBER. I, I MIGHT ADD ALSO THAT, UH, WE HAD ASKED MCCARTHY IN BETWEEN THE VALUE ADDED SIDE AND THE BID EVALUATION SIDE TO GO BACK TO THEIR, UH, UH, BIDDERS AND SOLICIT ADDITIONAL BIDS AND, UH, RECONSIDER SOME OF THE COSTS WITH SOME OF THESE BIDDERS ON THIS PROJECT. SO THAT ITERATION BACK AND FORTH, I THINK OCCURRED AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, IF I COULD. BOB, UH, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE SIGNIFICANT TRAVEL TIME, 45 MINUTES WAS PROBABLY LOW FOR WHAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA TRAVEL, BUT I'M WONDERING, CURIOUS IF YOU EVER CONSIDERED WHETHER IF THERE WAS A LOCATION IN SEDONA TO PARK WORK TRAILERS, WHETHER WORK TRAILERS AVAILABILITY WOULD DECREASE THE COST, AND IS WOULD THAT BE A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OR NOT? WE DID LOOK AT THAT OPTION WITH OUR TEAM, UH, AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT CAME UP, A LOT OF THESE, UH, UNIQUE COMPANIES AND TRADE PARTNERS ARE ALSO MANAGING BIG PROJECTS AROUND THEIR OWN AREAS. UH, SO IT MADE FEASIBLE FOR THEM TO, TO TRAVEL ESSENTIALLY, UH, RATHER THAN TO POTENTIALLY RELOCATE [01:50:01] IN THE BID PACKAGES FROM THESE VENDORS. ARE YOU EXPECTING MANY OF THEM TO BE PAYING FOR LODGING OVERNIGHT OR IS THIS REALLY, THEY'RE DRIVING BACK AND FORTH, UH, DRIVING BRYCE AND HIS CARBON EMISSIONS PROBLEM? WORSE, BUT, UH, CURIOUS WHETHER PEOPLE ARE PLANNING THE, IT'S IN THE BID THAT THERE'S LODGING INCLUDED HERE, OR RATHER THIS IS JUST TRAVEL DOLLARS, UH, DRIVING DOLLARS. RIGHT. AND THANKS AGAIN FOR THE QUESTION. UM, SO OUR BID IS ALL INCLUSIVE. WE GAVE AN OPTION TO THEM THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE, UH, IN, IN THE CITY HOUSING COSTS OR LODGING COSTS VERSUS TRAVEL. UH, AND THEN WHAT THEY ENDED UP WITH, MOST OF THEM I THINK WENT AHEAD WITH THE, THE TRAVEL TIME. SO TWO HOURS IF THEY'RE COMING FROM PHOENIX, UH, AND TWO HOURS BACK ESSENTIALLY. SO THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN, IN, IN THE NUMBER FOUR HOURS, EXPENSIVE TO STAY. BRIAN, DO YOU CONSIDER THE 86 BIDS RECEIVED OUT OF 239 INVITATIONS? IS THAT GOOD, BAD, AVERAGE? LIKE, CAN YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT A ABSOLUTELY. AND THANKS AGAIN FOR THE QUESTION. UH, THAT IS A BELOW AVERAGE OR TURNOUT IN OUR, IN WHAT WE SEE ON OTHER PROJECTS, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN THE PHOENIX VALLEY. UH, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THAT WE ARE SEEING IS THERE ARE TWO BIG, UH, MEGA JOBS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN PHOENIX. ONE'S THE TSMC PROJECT, AND THE SECOND IS THE INTEL, UH, NEW TWO FABS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE. UH, AND A LOT OF THE STRAIN IS ON THE LABOR MARKET IS BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS AND THEY'RE REALLY EXTRACTING ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THESE LABOR RESOURCES. SO IT IS NOT A AVERAGE OR AN ABOVE AVERAGE RESPONSE RATE THAT WE'VE USUALLY SEE. SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS THE IDEA OF DOING THE BID OUTREACH EVENT AND REACHING OUT TO OVER 200 PLUS TRADE PARTNERS. AND WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL LIMIT TO HOW FAR A TRADE PARTNER WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER DOING WORK IN SEDONA? I MEAN, COULD YOU BE REACHING OUT TO POTENTIAL PARTNERS IN LAS VEGAS, OR IS TWO HOURS TO THE VALLEY, IS THAT PRETTY MUCH A PRACTICAL MAX? SO, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE UNIQUE SCOPES OF WORK, WE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, RESPONSE FOR THAT SCOPE OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER. SO WE, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE UNIQUE BIDS IN EVERY SCOPE OF WORK, UH, TO, TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT TRUE COST IS WHEN WE CREATED THAT RADIUS. AND, UH, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY AS WELL, CITY MANAGEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING FEEDBACK ON ARE THESE, UH, ENOUGH TRADE PARTNERS, ARE THESE THE RIGHT TRADE PARTNERS WE SHOULD BE REACHING OUT TO? AND WE GOT THAT FEEDBACK TOO. WE, WE DID GO AGAIN OUT TO THE MARKET, AS BOB MENTIONED, SOME OF THE CRITICAL TRADES LIKE EARTHWORK AND SITE CONCRETE AND UTILITIES. UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, TO YOUR ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE KEPT A RADIUS OF, UH, TRAVEL TIME LIMITED TO, TO TWO HOURS, UM, HOPING TO, UH, INVITE MOST OF THE SUBS, UH, AT LEAST FROM PHOENIX. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ALSO THAT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT MADE TO FIND LOCAL PARTNERS THAT WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROJECT, UH, AND IN A SENSE TWOFOLD THAT WE ARE KEEPING SOME DOLLARS IN INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND WERE UTILIZING LOCAL RESOURCES AS BEST POSSIBLE. SO, UH, I, I, I APPLAUD, UH, MCCARTHY FOR THAT EFFORT THAT THEY DID. AND HOW MANY OF THE SCOPES OF WORK DID YOU WIND UP DESIGNATING YOURSELF AS THE VENDOR CONTRACTOR? UH, SO WE HAVE FOUR UNIQUE SCOPES OF WORK THAT, UH, SO TO START OFF WITH, I GUESS WE ALSO SUBMITTED, UH, NUMBERS AS A TRADE PARTNER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING COMPETITIVE BIDS ON EVERY WORK CATEGORY. AND THAT'S INCLUDED AS PART OF THE GMP SUBMISSION. UH, BUT THERE ARE FOUR UNIQUE SCOPES THAT WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING TO BE A VENDOR ON AS WELL OUT OF THE 29TH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, BEFORE WE GO, JUST GIMME ONE SECOND. I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WE, THERE'S ONLY SIX MORE SLIDES, SO JUST DON'T, THERE'S NOT, I JUST HAD NO IDEA HOW LONG IT WAS GONNA BE, BUT I JUST LOOKED AT SIX. SO JUST TO KEEP YOU UP TO DATE WHERE WE ARE. 'CAUSE I WANNA GET THE PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, PETE, THANK YOU. YOU, JESSICA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU HAD MENTIONED THE, UH, SUPER LARGE PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING DOWN IN THE, THE VALLEY RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T TRACK EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE GREAT STATE OF MARICOPA THESE DAYS. YEAH, THEY IRRITATE US, UH, HALF THE TIME, BUT THESE ARE REALLY UNIQUE AND LARGE PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE FINISHED AT SOME POINT, BUT IS THERE OTHER LARGE PROJECTS DOWN THERE THAT I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT WILL KEEP THAT KIND OF DEMAND GOING? THOSE ARE CURRENTLY THE TWO BIG ONES THAT WE ARE TRACKING THAT ARE REALLY SKEWING THAT LABOR MARKET AND THE LONG LEAD EQUIPMENT AND PROCUREMENT LEAD TIMES. UM, WE, WE WE'RE NOT SEEING CURRENTLY ANYTHING THAT'S BEYOND [01:55:01] THE TIMEFRAME OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS FOR NOW. INTERESTING. THANK, SO WHAT IS THEIR TIMEFRAME? LIKE WHEN, WHEN WILL THOSE RESOURCES START FREEING UP? I CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THAT SCHEDULE. UH, BUT AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THOSE PROJECTS WOULD BE IMPACTING OUR, UH, PROJECT. THANK YOU. THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LARGE, UM, UH, UH, HIGHWAY TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT ARE ALSO, UH, ON THE HORIZON HERE, OF COURSE WILL BE FINISHING UP I 17. BUT, UH, THERE'S ADDITIONAL WORK, UM, RELATIVE TO INTERSTATE STUFF DOWN IN TUCSON AS WELL AS OTHER NORTHERN ARIZONA. UM, AND IF WE PUT OFF THIS FOR TWO YEARS, DO YOU THINK THE COST WOULD GO UP? I MEAN, IT'S A QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. DON'T THANK ME FOR THE QUESTION. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE DO UP HERE. WE, WE DO HAVE A SLIDE, UH, IN THE FOLLOWING, UH, SECTIONS THAT I, UH, CLEARLY OUTLINES THE S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THAT SLIDE. I JUST, OKAY, THANK YOU. SO THIS IS AN INDEX THAT WE TRACK AND UH, THE SOURCE FOR THIS INDEX IS R-L-B-R-L-B IS A NATIONAL COST CONSULTING FIRM. UM, AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY RECEIVE MARKET FEEDBACK ACROSS DIFFERENT BUSINESS UNITS AND, UH, PLOT THESE CHARTS AND SHARE THESE, UH, ESCALATION INDEXES WITH US. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY OF PHOENIX THAT WE USE, UH, FOR ON PROJECTS. AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THESE, THESE ARE POINTS ESSENTIALLY. AND, UM, IF WE START OFF AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, BETWEEN 2012 AND 2024 WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT, ESCALATIONS BEING 70%, UM, AND WE CAN USE THIS TO FORECAST THIS FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, UH, PER YEAR QUESTION. AND THAT WOULD BE ROUGHLY AROUND FIVE TO 6% OF THE PROJECT VALUE. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ALONG. OH, WE'RE GOING BACK. OKAY. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUMP INTO THE VALUE ENGINEERING EFFORT. UH, LEAD, LEAD ME OFF THERE. TA. SO AS, AS BOB MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, WE SUBMITTED OUR INITIAL GMP IN MARCH OF 24. UM, WE WENT THROUGH NINE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS, UH, AND, UH, REALLY COME IN ALL HANDS ON DECK AS A TEAM WORKING WITH, UH, GLA, OUR DESIGN PARTNER AND, AND THE CITY MANAGEMENT TO COME UP WITH UNIQUE IDEAS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO OPTIMIZE THE COST. UH, ONE OF THEM THAT WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS ESSENTIALLY USING EXISTING CONDITIONS TO OUR BENEFIT. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE, USING THE ROCK FACE, UH, THAT JASON KIND OF SHOWED HERE IN A FEW MINUTES AGO, AND USE THAT AS THE BASEMENT WALL IN LIEU OF HAVING A CAST IN PLACE CONCRETE OR A MASONRY STRUCTURE. SO ESSENTIALLY WE WERE USING THE FACE OF THE WALL AND APPLYING PERMANENT SHOT CREED TO IT TO FORM THE BASEMENT WALLS FOR THAT BASEMENT LEVEL. AND THAT RESULTED IN OVERALL PROJECT SAVING CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS. SO OVER THAT TIMEFRAME OF MARCH THROUGH MAY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THE OVERALL COST BY 10%, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 2 MILLION. SO WE STARTED IN 19 FIVE AND NOW, UH, WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING IS, UH, IS CLOSE TO 17 FIVE. COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU. IN OUR PACKET, THERE'S A MUCH MORE DETAILED BREAKOUT OF WHERE THESE VALUE ENGINEERING ACTIVITIES HAVE HAD, ARE, WHAT IS THE DESIGN, IN YOUR OPINION? WHAT'S THE DESIGN LIFE OF THIS? THE ARCHITECT IS HERE TOO. WHAT'S THE DESIGN LIFE OF THIS STRUCTURE? THIS A, A 50 YEAR STRUCTURE, SO 50, I'LL REPEAT THAT JUST SO YOU WEREN'T AT THE MIC. 50 YEAR STRUCTURE BACK TO WAS WAS THE ? SORRY. NO, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, UH, 50 YEAR STRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS TYPE OF CONCRETE, UH, CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS CALLED THE CUNNINGHAM SYSTEM. OKAY. AND SO THE DETAILED LIST IN THE PACKET OF THE DIFFERENT SAVINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO, MY QUESTION REALLY IS HAVE WE VALUED, ENGINEERED ANYTHING OUT THAT, UH, THAT WILL IMPACT THE DESIGN LIFE OF THE STRUCTURE? UH, COUNSELOR, THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO. AND I'LL HAVE TO TRUST YOU ON THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS ON THAT PAGE THAT I HAVE NO IDEA EVEN WHAT THEY MEAN. BUT YOU DON'T YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT STANDARD CASED IRON WASTE. I LITTLE EPOXY IS . SO ONE OF MY SHOCKING QUESTIONS, ANDY, AND THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT TIME TO ASK THIS QUESTION AND I'M HAPPY TO ASK IT AGAIN LATER, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL, WE'RE GETTING THERE. WE'RE, WE'RE APPROACHING THIS AREA, WE'RE ALL SHOCKED, UH, STRESSED ABOUT THE PRICE OF THE GARAGE. UH, AND I'LL HAVE SOME SPECIFIC DATA THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT, BUT ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT IN OUR BUDGET, WE ACTUALLY, UH, HAVE A NUMBER [02:00:01] IN HERE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS BELOW WHAT I GET IN THE LITERATURE ABOUT WHAT YOU SHOULD SPEND ON THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STRUCTURE. AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE NUMBER THAT WE'VE PROJECTED FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE STRUCTURE MOVING FORWARD? AND IS IT ADEQUATE? YES. I DON'T ANYONE WHO CAN HAVE, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE. WE, I WOULD ACTUALLY THINK JAN WOULD BE A GREAT PERSON TO ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE JAN, YOU MIGHT EXPLAIN YOUR BACKGROUND AND HISTORY WITH GARAGES. THANK YOU ANDY. UH, YES. WELL, THE, UM, I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE, I ACTUALLY OWN A GARAGE THAT'S JUST ABOUT THE SAME SIZE OF THIS, A PARTICULAR GARAGE. IT'S ABOUT 250 SPACES. UH, SO I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THAT. AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE LIFE CYCLE AND THE LIFE, UH, OF THIS GARAGE, I'VE LEARNED SOME LESSONS. I HAVE A, A GARAGE THAT'S BUILT FROM DOUBLE T'S. I HAVE ASPHALT PAVING IN THE LOWER LEVEL, YOU KNOW, SO THE KINDS OF THINGS, THE SORTS OF EXPENSES THAT WE'VE INCURRED THERE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EXPERIENCE. SO IT REALLY DOES MAKE FOR A RATHER MODEST, UH, UH, SUM, UH, THE THING THAT, UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE WRESTLING WITH THE STREET SWEEPING AND YOU'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE BASIC JANITORIAL FUNCTIONS IN THE, UH, RESTROOMS AND SO FORTH. NOW I THINK YOU'LL EXPERIENCE SOME VARIABILITY THERE, BUT THAT'S A HIGH QUALITY PROBLEM. IF YOU GET HEAVY USE, THAT MEANS YOU'VE GOT PROBABLY BETTER REVENUE AS WELL. SO IF YOU WERE TO SEE A BIT OF AN UPTICK, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, WOULD ALSO CORRELATE WITH AN UPTICK IN REVENUE. YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT CATCHES MY ATTENTION IS A LOT OF THE PARK SMART STUFF, AND THERE'S SOME TECHNOLOGY IN THIS BUILDING THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN JUST A STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MM-HMM. KIND OF BUILDING YOU'VE PUT UP AND WHETHER IT'S PRECAST OR CA CAST IN PLACE AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT WATER IN, IN PENETRATION AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, MY PHILOSOPHY IS WHEN THE PUBLIC, WHEN WE SPEND THE PUBLIC'S DOLLARS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IT SHOULD BE A, A REASONABLE QUALITY AND THAT WE SHOULD ATTEMPT, NOT ATTEMPT, ACHIEVE A LONG LIFE BEYOND EVEN 50 YEARS. RIGHT. PUBLIC BUILDINGS GO BEYOND 50 YEARS. ABSOLUTELY. AND WHEN WE DESIGNED THIS BUILDING, WHEN WE WORKED WITH MCCARTHY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE SO MUCH ABOUT MCCARTHY IS THAT THEY BUILD HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS. UH, AND THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S THE PROPER STRUCTURAL SYSTEM AND SO FORTH WITH THAT LONG-TERM, UH, LONGEVITY IN MIND. OKAY. SO I THINK, UH, THAT THERE DEFINITELY WAS AN EYE ON THAT. I, I APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS AND IT REALLY GOES TO US AND HOW WE BUDGET GOING FORWARD. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, GOES INTO THE PRICE OF THIS. IT'S OUR ONGOING PRICE THAT WE'LL DEAL WITH THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT, SO 50 YEARS, WHAT WOULD IT BE THAT WOULD BREAK DOWN OVER 50 YEARS THAT WOULD CAUSE IT TO DETERIORATE TO, TO THAT EXTENT AND WHY THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT ARE KIND OF PUT OUT THERE. UH, FRANKLY, I THINK THE STRUCTURE'S GONNA BE ALIVE AND KICKING 50 YEARS FROM NOW . SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE UPPER LIMIT THAT, UH, IS THE SORT OF INDUSTRY STANDARD TO TALK ABOUT. BUT I WOULD NOT EXPECT THAT, UH, WE WOULD HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH IT. I MEAN, OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT, UH, THE KIND OF CONCRETE COVER THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OVER ALL OF OUR STEEL. THERE'S REINFORCING, THERE'S TENDONS. ALL OF THAT TYPE OF STUFF NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND MONITORED AND WILL BE INDEPENDENTLY MONITORING THAT TO ASSURE YOU THAT YOU HAVE, UH, THE KIND OF PROPER COVERAGE SO THAT THE STRUCTURE LASTS. YOU ARE GONNA HAVE THINGS THAT DO, YOU KNOW, WITH RESTROOMS, THAT'S PROBABLY AN AREA WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME MAINTENANCE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME WEAR AND TEAR. SO I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, CERAMIC TILE TO REPLACE BACK FROM FIXTURES THAT WOULD BE REPLACED, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WELL, I'M SURE WE'LL ALL BE HERE ON, ON THE DAYS IN 50 YEARS. SO I SURE HOPE TO BE, BUT I DON'T KNOW AFTER THIS PROJECT, I DON'T THINK I MAKE IT THAT WAY. YEAH, I DON'T BLAME YOU. ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO OR SO ON THE NEW YORK STATE THROUGHWAY, UM, THERE WAS A GARAGE THAT THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE, THE SECOND LEVEL COLLAPSED DOWN UNDER THE WEIGHT OF SNOW BECAUSE OF CORROSION THAT HAD OCCURRED TO THE METAL REBAR REINFORCEMENTS FROM SALT TREATMENT TO SNOW REMOVAL OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS. SO THINGS LIKE THAT TEND TO BREAK DOWN. I'M SURE. LEARNING FROM THOSE EXPERIENCES THAT YOU'VE FACTORED THOSE IN. BUT DO YOU FORESEE, OR WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR PROTECTION AGAINST ANY ISSUES LIKE THAT THAT WOULD DETERIORATE OR, OR, OR THREATEN THE GARAGE? MAYOR, COUNSELOR. GO AHEAD. SO, SO, MAYOR, COUNSELOR, UH, THAT WAS AN EXTENDED CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH THE DESIGN TEAM RELATIVE TO SALT USE ON THE PARKING GARAGE. WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE, UH, NATURE THAT SALT CAN HAVE AND THE INFUSION OF THOSE SALT HEIGHTS INTO THE, INTO THE CONCRETE, WHICH BREAK DOWN THE CONCRETE AND [02:05:01] EVENTUALLY GET TO THE STEEL REINFORCING. UM, SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT AT ALL. SO WE'VE, WE'VE CONCEDED TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO APPLICATION OF SALT USE ON THIS PARKING GARAGE. AND INDEED, UH, THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT ICE BUILDUP AND IF NECESSARY DURING THE WINTER MONTHS WHERE WE NEED TO CLOSE PORTIONS OF DECKS BECAUSE OF ICE, WE WILL HAVE INSTRUMENTS IN PLACE TO DO THAT. SO CAN I, OF COURSE, I'M GONNA PARTY ON THAT ONE. ON THE, SO, SO WE'VE MADE AN ASSUMPTION ABOUT VEHICLES, AND I'M ASSUMING VEHICLE WEIGHT OVERALL FOR STRESS AND SO AND SO ON. UM, NOT EVERYONE WHO HAS A EV WHICH ARE HEAVIER BY NATURE, RIGHT, BECAUSE OF THE BATTERIES AND MAY ONLY BE GETTING HEAVIER AS THEY PUT MORE AND MORE BATTERIES FOR EXTENDED RANGE IN THEM. NOT EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE WANTING TO CHARGE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T ALWAYS NEED TO CHARGE WHEN YOU GO INTO A GARAGE, NOR DO YOU WANNA HAVE TO GO BACK WHEN YOUR LITTLE ALARM GOES OFF ON YOUR APP THAT SAYS, WE'RE GONNA START CHARGING YOU ADDITIONAL FEES IF YOU DON'T MOVE YOUR CAR. RIGHT. OR DISCONNECT. ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE WEIGHT OF LIKE, EVS BEING ON ALL THE OTHER FLOORS BESIDES THE MAIN BASE FLOOR, WHICH IS ON THE ROCK SUBSTRATE AS YOU GO UP TALKING ABOUT OVERTIME IN 50 YEARS FROM NOW? MM-HMM. , UH, MAYOR COUNCILORS, UH, THE STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS, THE CODE IS PRETTY RESTRICTIVE IN THAT REGARD. AND WHAT WE HAVE TO ASSUME IS THAT WE HAVE, YOU'VE SEEN SOME VERY HEAVY SUVS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND VERY HEAVY, UH, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS AND THAT SORT OF A THING. SO THOSE LOADS ARE, ARE MANDATED. UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM A DURABILITY STANDPOINT, YOU DO HAVE ADVANTAGES WITH THE CUNNINGHAM SYSTEM. SO WE HAVE RATHER ROBUST SYSTEMS, BUT, UH, WE ARE WORKING WITHIN THE RANGE OF THAT, THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND TRYING TO HIT THAT RIGHT BALANCE. MAY I ASK, YOU'VE USED THIS WORD TWICE NOW. CUNNINGHAM SYSTEM REFERS TO WHAT? UH, THAT IS A CAST IN PLACE CONCRETE SYSTEM. THERE ARE FORMS THAT HAVE A SLIGHT TAPER TO THEM FOR THE BEAMS SO THAT THEY CAN POP DOWN, UH, AND THEN THEY CAN BE RELOCATED AND REUSED FOR THE ACTUAL BEAMS THEMSELVES. UH, AND THEN THERE'S AN ELEVATED SLAB THAT SITS ON TOP OF THOSE BEAMS. IT'S ALL INTEGRALLY POURED TOGETHER. UH, AND THEN THERE'S POST TENSIONING WITHIN THOSE, UH, BEAM SYSTEMS. YES, I'M AN ENGINEER. THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ENOUGH . OKAY. SO LET'S GET, LET'S JUST MOVE, TRY, IF WE CAN MOVE ALONG BEFORE WE START TO LOSE, UH, OUR AUDIENCE, WE ALREADY HAVE. WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO AVOID THAT. SO CONTINUE ON. SO, UM, JUST TO RE RECAP AND MOVE ON FROM OUR SLIDE HERE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS GRAPH HERE, WE'VE, FROM, FROM THE BEGINNING, WE STARTED OUT WITH A, UH, GMP PRICE FOR OUR TAR, UH, AN ORIGINAL PRICE OF 19,000 507 1 706 8. AND WE, UH, THROUGH A VALUE ENGINEERING AND OTHER, UM, ITERATIONS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT, DROP THAT DOWN ROUGHLY 10% OR $2 MILLION TO A, UH, VALUE OF $17,545,098. NOW, THIS, THIS AMOUNT, UH, THAT'S SHOWN THERE, AS I JUST STATED, WOULD INCLUDE THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE DIRECTION AS WE'RE SUGGESTING, AND THAT IS TO REDUCE THE PV PANELS DOWN TO, UH, A LOWER LEVEL THAT WOULD SAVE US ROUGHLY $496,000. THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WE'VE GONE OVER. SO WE'LL MOVE INTO JUST A CONSTRUCTION COST SUMMARY, AND AGAIN, JUST TO GO OVER THE, UH, COSTS IN, UH, IN GENERAL HERE, THE, UH, DIRECT CONSTRUCTION COSTS, INCLUDING THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND CONDITIONS OF THE CONTRACT. AND WITH THE PHOTOVOLTAICS SOLAR ARRAY VALUE ENGINEERING REDUCTION, WE ARE LOOKING AT A BASE COST OF $17,000,545 FOR $545,098, UH, FOR THE C MARS BASE CONSTRUCTION, UM, CONTRACT. THERE ARE OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORK. THESE ARE BEING PICKED UP SEPARATELY UNDER SEPARATE CONTRACT THAT THE CITY WILL HANDLE DIRECTLY. UH, THOSE INCLUDE SOME OF THE, UH, EXCAVATIONS OF THE SITE AND SOME OTHER ITEMS. THOSE AMOUNT TO ROUGHLY 5,133,133, THEY'RE ALL LISTED BELOW IN, IN THE ITALICS. SO THE TOTAL PROJECT CONSTRUCTION COST THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY LOOKING FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION OF IS $22,678,231. BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. BOB, CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE WHAT TEMPORARY SHORING ENTAILS? SURE. AS PART OF THE EXCAVATION OF THE SITE, WE WERE CONCERNED WITH SAFETY ON THE NORTH FACE. THERE'S ROUGHLY A DEPTH OF EXCAVATION ON THE ORDER OF 30 FEET IN THAT AREA, THAT NORTHWEST CORNER, UH, SOME OF [02:10:01] THE ROCK THAT WE EXPOSE MAY NOT BE STABLE, AND THAT IS A BIG CONCERN, OF COURSE, FOR SAFETY ON THIS SITE. SO WE, UH, WERE FACING A CONSTRUCTION COST OF $712,200 TO STABILIZE THAT WHOLE BACK FACE WITH SOIL NAILING. ONE OF THE VALUE ENGINEERING ITEMS WE CAME UP WITH, BECAUSE WE WERE FACING DUPLICITY, SO TO SPEAK, AND COST WAS WHY NOT JUST TAKE THAT GUNITE REINFORCED ROCK FACE AND USE IT AS THE BACK WALL FOR THE PARKING GARAGE AND GET RID OF, UH, A MASONRY BACK WALL AND CONCRETE STRUCTURE. THAT WAS, THAT 800 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS SAVINGS THAT WE, WE BOUGHT WITH THAT, I THOUGHT, VERY GOOD VALUE ENGINEERING, UH, BY THE DESIGN TEAM. SO AS THE CONTRACTOR EXCAVATES FROM THE TOP DOWN, HE'LL DO IT IN STAGES OF ROUGHLY FIVE FEET. SO HE'LL EXCAVATE DOWN, THAT'S A SAFE ELEVATION. HE'LL DRIVE IN, UH, HE WILL, UM, DRILL INTO THE SLOPE AND THEN GROUT IN WHAT WE CALL ROCK BOLTS OR, OR SOIL NAILS INTO THAT STRUCTURE THAT WILL HOLD UP THAT FACE OF ROCK. HE'LL GUNITE THAT FACE AND THEN HE'LL EXCAVATE DOWN ANOTHER FE, ANOTHER FIVE FEET AND REDO THAT PROCESS UNTIL HE EVENTUALLY ARRIVES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE EXCAVATION. ULTIMATELY, WHEN THE SEA MARK COMES INTO THE PROJECT, THEY'LL BE DOING A FINISHING TOUCH OR FINISHING WALL ON TOP OF THAT GOODNIGHT SURFACE THAT WILL BE VERTICAL AND WILL GIVE THAT NICE DONOR RED APPEARANCE ON THAT BACK OF THE PARKING GARAGE. OKAY, THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, GO AHEAD, BOB. SO OUR LAST SLIDE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE SEDONA FACTOR, AND THAT IS THE SCENARIO COST COMPARISON FOR SEDONA RELATIVE TO SITES OUTSIDE OF SEDONA. LARGER SITES THAT ARE LESS CONSTRAINED, UH, A BASIC STRUCTURE WITH MINIMAL AESTHETIC, VALUABLE VALUE, AND OF COURSE, UH, FAVORABLE SUB UPGRADES SOILS AS OPPOSED TO THE ROCK EXCAVATION THAT WE HAVE. SO YOU'LL SEE IN THIS TABLE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT, UH, IF OTHERWISE WEREN'T AS PART OF THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WE WOULD'VE POSSIBLY AVOIDED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PARKING GARAGE. AMONG THOSE IS THAT ROCK EXCAVATION, UH, THE REDUCTION IN EXCAVATION AND EXPORT, IF WE WERE AT LEAST A HALF STORY HIGHER, SO TO SPEAK, AND ON DOWN, INCLUDING AESTHETICS, THE TEMPORARY SHORING WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, NO RESTROOMS, NO POLICE SUBSTATION, NO PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEM, A SIMPLE PAID ACCESS REVENUE COLLECTION SYSTEM, UH, SOME OF THE A PS UTILITY RELOCATIONS THAT WE NEED TO UNDERGO WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE. NO, IT, UH, IMPROVEMENTS CAMERA SYSTEMS LIMITED, AND THEN WE UTILIZE A SEDONA LOCAL ADJUSTMENT FACTOR OF 3% IN TERMS OF COSTS GIVEN THE LOCALE, UH, MORE COMPREHENSIVE BIDDING, RECOGNIZING THAT THE BIDDING ENVIRONMENT IS NOT VERY GOOD OUT THERE. IT'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF FIERCE COMPETITION. WE'VE APPLIED 5% AND WE REDUCED OUR OWNER CONTINGENCY DOWN TO 500,000 VERSUS A MILLION, AND THAT WOULD SAVE ROUGHLY $8,152,800 OFF THE TOP OF THIS PROJECT. MAYOR, IF I MAY, YES, PETE, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO DIG IN ON THIS SECTION QUITE A BIT, BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY PROPOSE THAT WE GET THE PUBLIC COMMENT IN AT THIS POINT BEFORE I DIG IN. YEP. SO, UH, BUT WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE TO GO. I, I, I GUESS, OH, THAT'S IT. OKAY. I, I, I WENT DOWN. OKAY. SO, UH, I KNOW COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE, UH, BREAK FOR BATHROOM, SO IF WE CAN KEEP THAT TO FIVE MINUTES. MM-HMM, , WE'LL TURN THE LIGHTS ON. DON'T GO AWAY. WE'RE GONNA DO PUBLIC COMMENT NEXT. AND YOU GUYS, GENTLEMEN, JUST STICK AROUND. MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. FIVE MINUTES. LITERALLY. LITERALLY. OKAY. SIX, MAYBE SIX MINUTES. 10 MINUTES. 10 MINUTES TO SEVEN. PLEASE ALL BE BACK IF YOU NEED. UPDATE THIS. THANK YOU ALL FUND FOR INDULGING US. ALRIGHT, WE'RE ON. ALRIGHT. OKAY. TELL, WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. YES. ALL RIGHT. UH, WE'LL HAVE RICHARD ALLEN DIETER FOLLOWED BY SEAN SMITH. RICHARD, ARE YOU HERE? MAYOR? THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT LET US KNOW HE HAD TO LEAVE. IT'S ANNETTE, I'M LOOKING FOR THE VOICE IN THE, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE GENTLEMAN THAT NEEDED TO LEAVE. THANK YOU, ANNETTE. OKAY, SEAN, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY MARK BROOK. SEAN, YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. YOU EVER DONE IT BEFORE? WELL, I'M GONNA SEE IF I CAN GET THE VOLUME AND THE YEAH. KNOT [02:15:01] FEEDBACK THING RIGHT THIS TIME. WE'LL CADENCE, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. ALRIGHT, GO FOR IT. MY NAME IS SEAN SMITH. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. THANK YOU COUNSEL. CITY MANAGER AND STAFF. I'M SPEAKING TO OPPOSE FUNDING A GARAGE. AT THIS TIME, HIRE THE PRO THE PARKING MANAGER AND ENFORCEMENT STAFF AND DO SOME OFF GARAGE ACTIONS IMMEDIATELY TO INFORM FUTURE PLANS. USER FEES FOR ALL UPTOWN STALLS RESIDENTIAL ZONE PERMIT SYSTEM TO ELIMINATE PARKING IN NEIGHBORHOODS, PARKING GUIDANCE THROUGHOUT UPTOWN PILOTS AND TRANSIT ROUTES. ASSESS HOW UPTOWN BUSINESSES CAN SUPPORT EMPLOYEE PARKING IN PRIVATE LOTS OR OUTSIDE OF UPTOWN, INCLUDING AN EMPLOYEE SHUTTLE. DO NOW SURFACE LOT AT THE GARAGE SITE. SOME ESTIMATES RANGE ABOVE 90 STALLS THERE. DO A LAND SWAP SWAP WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT. DEMO THE CURRENT, DEMOLISH THE CURRENT STATION AND USE THE LAND FOR A SURFACE LOT. FIRE ESTIMATES 25 STALLS ON THAT PROPERTY. BUILD A POLICE SUBSTATION ON LAND ADJACENT TO THE LAND SWAPPED WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT. DO NOW DOING NOW A ZONE PERMIT SYSTEM FOR RESIDENTS AND IMPLEMENTING USER FEES FOR ALL STALLS WILL AFFECT CIRCLING AS USERS GIVE UP HOPEE OF FINDING PARKING OUTSIDE OF LOTS. THO THOSE TWO TOGETHER, ALONG WITH MAX SURFACE STALLS ON FOREST ROAD, COULD EQUIVOCATE THE TRAFFIC BENEFIT A GARAGE COULD PROVIDE. SO MANY THINGS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'M AT A LOSS AS TO HOW YOU COULD PROCEED WITH A GARAGE AT THIS TIME, GIVEN SO MANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. FOREST ROAD EXTENSION AND THE TRANSIT HUB USER FEE ANALYSIS. WHAT PRICES THERE? AT WHAT PRICES? THERE A DEPRESSIVE EFFECT ON VISITATION. DO WE NEED AN EMPLOYEE'S? UH, SUBSIDY? I DON'T GATHER THAT BUSINESSES WILL BE OKAY NOT HAVING AN EMPLOYEE SUBSIDY. IF EMPLOYEES GET ONE RESIDENT SHOULD GET ONE TOO. WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT MANY YEARS TO BUILD A GARAGE, BUT LET'S DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO ANYWAY AND GET ALL THE DATA FROM THE OUTCOMES OF THOSE ACTIONS FROM THOSE OUTCOMES. CRAFT SOLID PLANNING TO ENSURE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES, UH, RESIDENT AND BUSINESS BENEFITS ARE CLEAR AND WE DON'T HAVE A STRAINED OR FAILED PROJECT OR A CALL TO VOTE THE BUMS OUT. OTHERWISE, THIS COULD BE A TEXTBOOK CASE. SO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WISH FOR. I UNDERSTAND CASH IS KING AND BUILDING A GARAGE WON'T GET CHEAPER, BUT A GARAGE WILL STRAIN OUR COFFERS AND OR LOWER OUR AVAILABLE CREDIT AT A TIME WHEN BIG CAPITAL PROJECTS LIKE THE TRANSIT TUB OF THEIR TRANSIT PROJECTS IN THE CULTURAL PARK LOOM LARGE. IT'S TWO YEARS OR MORE OF MASTER PLANNING IN THE CULTURAL PART BEFORE RESIDENTS DECIDE WHAT IS NEEDED THERE. IF IT'S HOUSING THAT COULD REQUIRE LARGE SUBSIDY TO THE DEVELOPERS, LET'S MAKE SURE THIS JOURNEY IS BEYOND REPROACH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SEAN. MARK BROOK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY STEVE EGNER. HI, MY NAME'S MARK BROOK AND I'M AN A SEDONA RESIDENT. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO DEFER APPROVAL OF THE GARAGE. IN NOVEMBER 15TH, 2023, THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION OF OF THE PARKING ANALYSIS WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DIRECTED TO GET THE PRICE AS WE HAVE TONIGHT. HOWEVER, THEY ALSO SAID THAT PRIOR TO APPROVING, UH, THEY NEEDED TO HAVE A, UH, EMPLOYEE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, EMPLOYEE GUIDANCE TECHNOLOGY, UH, FINALIZED NON, UH, RESIDENT RES UH, PARKING AND RESIDENTIAL STREETS, AND FINALLY, PREPARE A FINANCIAL PLAN FOR HOW YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR THIS WITH USER FEES. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE HEARD FROM STAFF ON ALL THOSE ISSUES PRIOR TO APPROVING THIS GARAGE. I TELL YOU, I WAS SHOCKED. I REPEAT SHOCKED THAT THE PARKING STUDY PERFORMED LAST YEAR DID NOT COLLECT ANY INFORMATION ON EMPLOYEE PARKING NEEDS. THAT WAS REPEATEDLY ASKED FOR IN THE 20 YEARS OF PARKING ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THIS CITY FOR OVER THE HUNDRED BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN UPTOWN. HOW MANY CARS INVENTORIED IN THE LAST STUDY WERE EMPLOYEES AND NOT VISITORS NOT COLLECTED? I WAS ALSO DISAPPOINTED THAT THE STUDY DID NOT COLLECT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON PARKING OCCUPANCY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, JUST AT THE PEAK TIME FOR ANY KIND OF A RATE STUDY. WE NEED TO HAVE INFORMATION ON THIS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I COMMENTED ON BOTH OF THESE ISSUES BEFORE THE STUDY IS PERFORMED. NONE OF THEM WERE INCLUDED. I HEARD A, UH, FROM AN UPTOWN RESTAURATEUR THAT SAID THERE 65 EMPLOYEES ALL DRIVE BECAUSE OF THE FLEXIBILITY IT PROVIDES. WHAT WE DO NOT KNOW IS WHERE THOSE STAFF PARK AND RATHER, THE RESTAURANT PROVIDES PARKING AND IT'S LIKELY NOT. THIS SHOULD THIS, UH, SAME COULD BE SAID FOR ALL OF THE UPTOWN EMPLOYEES. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE HAS BEEN SAID TO BE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, VISITOR PARKING, OR CONSOLIDATION OF VISITOR PARKING AT DIFFERENT TIMES IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS. WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW IS WHAT'S IT REALLY FOR? WE NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PARKING IS FOR AND HOW WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT. THE INFORMATION IN THE MEETING PACKET SAID THE PARKING WOULD, UH, AVERAGE $2 AND 50 CENTS AN HOUR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH FULL OCCUPANCY. UH, WILL AN EMPLOYEE BE WILLING TO PAY 40 FOR 40 HOURS A WEEK? BE WILLING TO PAY $400 A YEAR FOR PARKING IN UPTOWN? I KIND OF DOUBT IT. WHAT OF THE EXISTING LEASED PARKING LOTS THAT ARE RELEASED [02:20:01] BY THE CITY TO CONSOLIDATE PARKING AT THE GARAGE? WILL THIS ALSO BECOME PRIVATE PAID PARKING? NOW THAT COMPETES WITH PUBLIC PARKING, WILL THESE MULTIPLE OPTIONS CAUSE VOTER CONFUSION? EXCUSE ME, VISITOR CONFUSION. SO HOW WILL THE PARKING GARAGE BE PAID, OR IF NOT BY THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE EMPLOYERS? WILL THE VISITORS BE WILLING TO PAY THESE RATES YEAR ROUND, ESPECIALLY IN THE SHOULDER SEASONS WHEN THE FREE LOTS ARE NOT TIGHTLY ARE RIGHT, NOT TYPICALLY USED. IT'S CLEAR THE CITY NEEDS TO GATHER MUCH BETTER DATA ON EMPLOYEE USE OF PARKING, EXPECTED OCCUPANCY OF THE PARKING YEAR ROUND BEFORE WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT PARKING RATES CAN BE RAISED. AFTER ALL, THE CITY FOR, UH, CITY MANAGER STATED THAT PARKING FEES WOULD SUPPORT THE COST OF UPTOWN PARKING. PLEASE CONSIDER THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY, MARK. RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON TIME. STEVE SGNA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, UH, DONNA HEALTH RIDGE. RICH. HI, MY NAME'S STEVE SAGNER. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND, UH, MISS CITY MANAGER. UM, I SENT YOU MY THOUGHTS. YOU'VE ALL READ THEM. I'M SURE. UH, I'M NOT GONNA BORE THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME WITH MY COMMENTS. I AM FOR THIS STRUCTURE. I'M, I'M EXTREMELY IMPRESSED TODAY. I THINK THAT ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, IT'S FINALLY COME TO FRUITION. I THINK IT'S EVERYTHING WE'VE ASKED FOR. NOW, MARK TELLS US ABOUT THE THINGS WE DON'T KNOW. THE ONE THING WE DO KNOW IS WE NEED PARKING. WHO, WHO NEEDS IT? WHETHER IT'S A STORE, WHETHER IT'S AN EMPLOYEE, WHETHER IT'S A CUSTOMER, IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE NEED PARKING. YOU GO TO BASHES, YOU HAVE TWO ACRES OF PARKING AND EVERYBODY EXPECTS IT. YOU GO UPTOWN AND YOU HAVE ALMOST NO PARKING. OKAY? WE ALL NEED PARKING. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. WHAT I LIKE MOST IS WE'RE LISTENING TO EXPERTS. WE LISTEN TO NON-EXPERTS AND DESIGNED 1 79 AND IT GOT US INTO TROUBLE. OKAY? SO I ASKED YOU TO VOTE YES, AND I ASKED YOU TO LISTEN TO THE EXPERT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. STEVE. DONNA, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OKAY, DONNA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, ALI HANSON. I AM DONNA RE I'M A RESIDENT OF COVILLE, BUT I WORK FOR PINK CHEAP TOURS IN UPTOWN. AND, UM, PLEASURE TO BE HERE. UM, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE, UH, THAT I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PINK CHEAP TOURS. UM, OUR PRESIDENT AND OTHER, UH, OFFICIALS COULDN'T BE HERE. SO, UM, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DO SUPPORT THE PARKING GARAGE. UM, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, PINK CHEAP TOURS HAS BEEN A PART OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY FOR OVER 64 YEARS. I'VE BEEN WITH PINK CHEAP FOR 20 YEARS, AND IN THAT 20 YEARS I'VE HAD FRONT ROW SEAT TO ALL OF THE PARKING ISSUES. AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, WHAT IF 20 YEARS AGO WE HAD BUILT A PARKING GARAGE? SO TODAY WE LEARNED IT WOULD'VE BEEN 70% CHEAPER . THAT WAS FASCINATING FOR ME TO HEAR. UM, BUT I DO WANNA SAY, YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE WITH ALL THE PARKING. YOU GUYS ALSO KNOW WHAT A PARKING GARAGE WOULD SOLVE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFICULTY WITH, UH, GUEST FINDING PARKING. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE TRAFFIC, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND, UM, WE BELIEVE IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PARKING GARAGE. RIP THAT BANDAID OFF. IT'S, IT'S BEEN ENOUGH TIME AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, AN UPTOWN MERCHANT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE CREATED BY ALL OF THE UPTOWN MERCHANTS AND IT'S TIME TO SPEND SOME OF THOSE TAX DOLLARS. SO WE SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PARKING GARAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, AL ALI'S NEXT. AND YVONNE, YOU, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE, SO YOU'RE READY TO GO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, ALLIE HANSON, A RESIDENT JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. UM, I WAS EXTREMELY IMPRESSED WITH THE PRESENTATION TODAY. THIS IS AN IMPRESSIVE BUILDING. THE PLANNING AND THE CONSIDERATION THAT'S GONE INTO IT, IT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY THOROUGH. LIKE DONNA SAID, THESE ARE THE EXPERTS. THE NEED WAS IDENTIFIED VERY LONG AGO, AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED MULTIPLE TIMES AND ENOUGH ALREADY ON. WE NEED A PARKING STRUCTURE IN UPTOWN, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONSOLIDATED PARKING GARAGE. WE'VE DONE ENOUGH RESEARCH, WE'VE EXHAUSTED THE OTHER VIABLE ALTERNATIVES. I THINK THIS IS OUR BEST ALTERNATIVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK AND REVISIT ANY OF THOSE AS AN UPTOWN BUSINESS OWNER, WE WANT THIS, WE NEED THIS. AND THE SOONER, THE BETTER AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED. SO WE AND STRONGLY ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT AND THE BUDGET TO PROCEED WITH THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. [02:25:01] THANK YOU ALI. YVONNE, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY JOE ZENNI. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, MY NAME IS EB . AS YOU KNOW, I LIVE JUST OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. I MANAGE SEVEN RETAIL LOCATIONS IN SEDONA, SIX OF THEM IN UPTOWN. WE HAVE ROUGHLY ABOUT 50 PEOPLE THAT STRUGGLE ON A DAILY BASIS TO FIND A PARKING SPOT TO GET TO WORK. WHY DO I KNOW THAT? BECAUSE I'M DEALING WITH IT PERSONALLY. UH, THERE'S NOTHING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I THINK ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. YOU GUYS DID AN AMAZING JOB, AND I WANNA URGE COUNSEL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A DECISION ON THIS PARKING GARAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YVONNE. JOE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, OH. MICHELLE, UH, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOE ZANY AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA. UM, I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU, UM, DELAY, UM, OR POSTPONE THIS PROJECT AND NOT VOTE, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME. UH, MY OVERALL, UH, REASONING FOR THAT IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN, UH, EXTREMELY LIMITED, UH, RESIDENT INVOLVEMENT. AND THAT, UM, LIMITATION HAS BEEN TRULY TO THE TASK FORCE THAT CONVENED LAST YEAR. AND NOTHING BEFORE THAT, THOUGH THIS SUBJECT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR 20 YEARS OR THEREABOUT. UH, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN NAMED AS, UH, STAKEHOLDERS HAVE BEEN BUSINESSES AND CITY STAFF. UM, THIS PARKING ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED YEARS AGO AND WORKED ON THIS PROJECT WAS BUSINESSES AND CITY STAFF. THERE WERE NO, UM, RESIDENTS. NOW, RESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE SEVERELY IMPACTED BY THIS GARAGE AND EVERY COMPONENT AND EVERYTHING GOING ON WITH IT FROM AIR QUALITY CONCERNS TO, UM, EXCUSE ME, UM, INCREASE OR POSSIBILITY OF INCREASED, UH, TRAFFIC. UH, AND YET, EXCUSE ME. UM, I, I SEE THE FINE WORK THAT BOTH THE CITY AND CONTRACTORS HAVE HAVE DONE. I CAN'T PUNCH HOLES INTO, UM, WHAT THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED. UM, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE THEIR SOLE PURPOSE HAS BEEN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A GARAGE. MM-HMM, . UM, AND I THINK THAT AS A RESIDENT, UH, OF SEDONA NOW FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS, I THINK IS EXTRAORDINARY. THE EXTENT TO WHICH, UM, RESIDENTS ARE IGNORED. THERE IS A CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH REALLY, UM, DOES NOT ENGAGE RESIDENTS. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE RESIDENTS IN THEIR CONCERNS WITH MAKING A DECISION. UM, ALL THAT THE CITY HAS DONE IS HAD HORSE AND PONY SH UH, SHOWS FOR PEOPLE TO SHOW THEM HOW WONDERFUL A JOB YOU HAVE DONE AND HOW GREAT THE FINAL PRODUCT IS GOING TO BE. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FOLKS. YOU KNOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I DO ASK THAT TODAY, YOU KNOW, IN AT CONCLUSION OF THE PARKING TASK FORCE WORK, BOTH RESIDENT MEMBERS STATED THAT THEY COULD NOT SUPPORT THE FINDINGS AS THEY WERE INCOMPLETE AND HAD NOT DELIVERED THE OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS PROMISE. TODAY IT'S OBVIOUS THERE ARE STILL MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, INCLUDING THE DELIVERABLES REQUESTED BY COUNSEL AT THE NOVEMBER 23, 23 MEETINGS, UH, THAT WE'VE ALL HEARD TODAY ARE INCOMPLETE OR DEFERRED UNTIL A PARKING MANAGER IS ON BOARD, IS MY HOPE THAT YOU WILL VOTE TO POSTPONE THIS PROJECT UNTIL ALL THE MANY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED, STUDIED, AND RESOLVED, AND NOT APPROVE THE CA CONTRACT TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOE. MICHELLE, YOU'RE NEXT. AND THEN CALLUM O'BRIEN. IS THAT RIGHT? THE FIRST NAME CALL, YEAH. WOULD BE NEXT IF YOU'RE STILL HERE. GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MICHELLE KOTECKI. I'M A RESIDENT OF CLARKDALE AND THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE COMPLETION OF THE LONG PLANNED AND LONG AWAITED UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE ON FOREST ROAD. FOR 20 YEARS, THIS PARKING GARAGE HAS BEEN A GOAL OF THE CITIES. THE NEED FOR THE GARAGE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHAMBER, THE CITY SPONSORED STUDIES, THE SEDONA AND MOTION STRATEGY, AND THE MEN BUS BUSINESSES THAT RELY ON TOURISM. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY THIS GARAGE IS NEEDED, SOME OF WHICH I MAY BE REPEATING MYSELF [02:30:01] FROM NOVEMBER, BUT IT, IT BEARS WORTH IT. BEARS REPEATING. UM, SEDONA UPTOWN. SEDONA SPECIFICALLY IS A HUB OF BUSINESS ACTIVITY, A CENTER FOR CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AND A CRITICAL ECONOMIC DRIVER. IT REALLY DOES DESERVE APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE THE VOLUME OF VISITORS IT SERVES. WE ARE STILL, JUST LIKE IN NOVEMBER, JUST TWO HOURS AWAY FROM A VERY BUSY METROPOLIS, UM, TWO HOURS SOUTH OF US. PHOENIX REMAINS TO BE THE ORIGIN OF MANY OF OUR VISITORS. AND WHEN THOSE VISITORS ARE IN UPTOWN, THEY WILL MORE EASILY FIND PARKING IF THEY HAVE THIS PARKING GARAGE, ALLOWING THEM TO GET OFF THE ROADS, WHICH IS FAVORABLE TO EVERYONE INVOLVED. ANOTHER POINT IS THAT TOURISM ISN'T GOING AWAY. WE KNOW THIS. SEDONA IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE AS TOURISM DESTINATION. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WHY WOULDN'T WE WANNA PROVIDE THIS AMENITY, THIS, THIS NEED TO OUR GUESTS FOR A SAFE PARKING STRUCTURE WHEN THEY SPEND MONEY AND SUPPORT OUR LIVELIHOODS AND COMMUNITY AMENITIES EVERY TIME THEY VISIT OUR VISITORS, OUR RESIDENTS, AND OUR BUSINESSES DESERVE THIS PROFESSIONALLY DESIGNED STRUCTURE. I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE RESIDENTS CONCERNED ABOUT ACCESS AND SAFETY. UM, THIS WAS A CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY, BUT EVEN THAT'S BEEN STUDIED AND STAFF PREVIOUSLY ASSURED THE COUNCIL THAT ALL POTENTIAL EMERGENCY SCENARIOS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED. SPEAKING OF RESIDENTS, I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO YOU. UM, OVER THE 15 YEARS THAT I'VE WORKED AT THE CHAMBER, WE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED EVENTS AND PROGRAMS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO BRING RESIDENTS TO UPTOWN. HOWEVER, THEY, THEY DO SAY OFTENTIMES THAT THEY WON'T GO BECAUSE OF PARKING. AND I, I JUST THINK THAT'S SUCH A SHAME. MY PARENTS LIVED IN UPTOWN FOR 20 YEARS BEFORE MY FATHER PASSED AWAY. I WAS ALWAYS IN UPTOWN. I LOVE UPTOWN. THERE'S SO MUCH CULTURE THERE. WE CAN'T HAVE SOME EXISTING REASON WHY RESIDENTS AREN'T GOING TO ENJOY GOING THERE AND SUPPORTING THE MANY BUSINESSES, THE ART, THE DINING AND THE SHOPPING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM. THEY'RE MISSING OUT ON A BIG PART OF WHAT SEDONA IS. OVERALL. THE CITY OF SEDONA REALLY SHOULD BE PROUD. AND YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM MANY IN THE AUDIENCE. SO PROUD OF THE RESPONSE TO EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH WITH THIS PROCESS. I MEAN, YOU REALLY HAVE SHOWN YOUR SENSITIVITY TO THE ENVIRONMENT, TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE WITH THE GARAGE DESIGN. YOU'VE DEFINITELY BEEN LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS, UM, I THINK IN, IN GETTING SOME COMMUNITY INPUT. I BELIEVE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IS COMMENDABLE AND EXTENSIVE, AND WE ARE HERE TO SAY THAT WE SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. MICHELLE CALLUM WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ABRAM COHEN. IS THAT COLIN O'BRIEN? YES. IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO READ, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I THE DIFFICULT NAME RIGHT? NO. OKAY. UM, MY NAME IS COLIN O'BRIEN. I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM LABERGE ORCHARDS AND 89 AGAVE OF OVER 300 EMPLOYEES BETWEEN OUR BUSINESSES. WE DESPERATELY NEED THIS PARKING. WE'RE OPEN 24 7 7, UH, 24 7 ALL YEAR LONG. WE JUST NEED THE PARKING LOT. THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. . UH, AVM COHEN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CHERYL BARON. SHE, SHE LEFT. OH, DONE. OKAY. I RUM COHEN. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE, UH, CITY FOR ABOUT 14 YEARS. UH, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL PEOPLE, ANDY AND, AND BOB, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY GUITAR BECAUSE WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY, I'LL BE BLOWING IN THE WIND. SO, UM, LEMME TELL YOU, I'M OPPOSED TO THE GARAGE. RIGHT OFF THE BAT, 20% OF THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA LIVE UPTOWN, THAT'S BASED ON THE FIGURES AND STATISTICS FROM COCONINO COUNTY. WE DO HAVE TWO COUNTIES. AND, UM, I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, JUST QUESTIONS. LET'S START OFF WITH SOLAR REFLECTION. I LIVE ABOVE YOUR, UH, PROPOSED GARAGE WITH SOLAR PANELS. SO WILL I BE GETTING REFLECTION NOISE? WHAT, WHAT, UH, EXPANSION JOINTS ARE GOING TO BE USED. YOU KNOW, YOU GO HAVE EXPANSION JOINTS AND BRIDGES AND STUFF. YOU GOT BLINK. UM, TRUE. UH, I HAD TO SELL A HOUSE ONCE BECAUSE I LIVED NEAR A BRIDGE THEY REBUILT. AND THE COMPLAINT, COMPLAINT COMPLAINT, UH, BOB, CAN YOU LOOK INTO RUBBER? THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. ARE THE H-H-V-A-C UNITS GONNA BE PUT ON THE ROOF IF THE H-H-V-A-C RUIN ARE ON THE ROOF NOISE? YOU DIDN'T SPEAK TO THAT. YOU, UH, SMOCK, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 250 [02:35:01] CARS, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S ONLY 250 CARS. WE GET ABOUT SEVERAL MILLION PEOPLE COME INTO THIS TOWN DURING THE BIG, UM, TOURIST SEASON. AND SO I'M GONNA DRIVE IN, I'M GONNA PARK FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS LEAVE. SOMEBODY ELSE IS GONNA COME IN. BY THE TIME WE'RE GONNA BE DONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CARS ARE GOING TO HAVE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN 250 CARS. SO THAT CREATES SOME ISSUES. UH, I INVITE ANYBODY TO COME LIVE IN MY HOUSE. I LIVE ABOUT HALF MILE ABOVE THE GARAGE NOW. UH, COME STAY AT MY HOUSE FOR A WHILE AND TRY AND GET OUT WHEN THE TOURISTS ARE HERE. IN FACT, TRY AND GET IN WHEN THE TOURISTS ARE HERE. CAN'T DO IT. EVEN WITH THE NEW STRUCTURE ON, UH, 89 A GOING IN THE FOREST, IT HELPS WHOEVER DESIGNED THAT DID A PRETTY FAIR JOB. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T HELP SMOG. YOU GOT THAT MANY CARS, YOU GOT SMOG. UH, ELECTRIC CARS HELPED, BUT THEY HAD OTHER PROBLEMS. PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. TAKE, TAKE. WELL, I HAD S MORE ON SOLAR, BUT, OKAY. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. ABRAM. MIKE WISE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JESSE ALEXANDER. AND THEN THERE'S THAT AL ELLO GUY. WE POP IT UP ONCE IN A WHILE. MAYOR MADAM VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS. I'M MIKE WISE. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA SINCE 2005. THE CITY HAS FUNDED STUDY AFTER STUDY, ANALYZING THE NEED FOR PARKING GARAGE IN UPTOWN SEDONA, ALWAYS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE STREET. THIS GARAGE IS ESPECIALLY NEEDED AT THE SOUTHERN END OF UPTOWN. AT ONE TIME, THE APPROVAL OF A GARAGE WAS PASSED, BUT A FAIRLY RECENT COUNCIL RESCINDED THAT APPROVAL. BOWING TO UPTOWN RESIDENTS WHO CONSISTENTLY ARE PART OF THE NO VOTE NOTE TO ANY CHANGE. CHANGE IS INEVITABLE. IT'S HOW WE ADAPT TO THAT CHANGE THAT WILL MAKE US HOPEFULLY SUCCESSFUL IN HOW WE MANAGE TRAFFIC. WE HAVE TWO STATE HIGHWAYS RUNNING THROUGH OUR MOST HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREAS. UPTOWN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE SALES TAX REVENUE GENERATION THAN ANY AREA IN TOWN. TOURISM IS OUR INDUSTRY. IT COMPRISES THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS WE USE TO PAY FOR POLICE ROADS. AND MANY OF THE PRIVILEGES WE HAVE COME TO APPRECIATE THAT OUR TOWN PROVIDES. WHEN WELL-MEANING RESIDENTS GET SO HEAVILY INVOLVED IN DECISIONS AFFECTING OUR LIVES, THAT COMMON SENSE AND PROFESSIONAL INPUT TAKES A BACKSEAT TO REALITY. BAD DECISIONS CAN OCCUR. A GOOD EXAMPLE, LIKE STEVE SIGNER JUST MENTIONED, WAS HIGHWAY 1 79 BETWEEN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. AND THE Y ADOT PROPOSED A WIDENING BASED ON ENGINEERING STUDIES, STUDIES WHICH THEY DEEMED WOULD WORK. THE LOCAL CITIZENRY BECAME SO EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED WITH THE DECISION THAT THAT ENGINEERING REPORT WAS KICKED TO THE CURB, NO PUN INTENDED. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A BEAUTIFUL ROAD, BUT IT'S DYSFUNCTIONAL. THE LATEST PARKING STUDY COMMISSION BY THE CITY ENCOMPASSED AND CONSIDERED THE EFFECTS OF GROWTH PROJECTED AT 2.6. TRAFFIC GROWTH PROJECTED AT 2.6% PER YEAR. TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION PATTERNS, TRANSPORTATION, EMERGENCY EVACUATION, FIRE AND SAFETY WERE ALL CONSIDERED. MUCH HAS BEEN LEARNED FROM THE EXAMPLES OF THE PARADISE FIRES IN CALIFORNIA. AND MORE RECENTLY, THE FIRESTORM IN LA LENA, UH, HAWAII. WE HAVE HEARD IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL SESSIONS FROM POLICE, FIRE, AND EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT LOCATED A GARAGE ON FOREST ROAD ENHANCES THEIR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO A CATASTROPHE. I HOPE WE NEVER HAVE, BUT MUST PREPARE. PREPARE FOR FOREST ROAD IS THE BEST LOCATION FOR A GARAGE SERVICED BY THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION OF 89 A AND FOREST ROAD. THIS CAN HELP WITH EVACUATION FROM THE CANYON AND SMITH AND VAN DARREN ROADS. IT WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO CLEAN UP MANY OF THE SURFACE LOTS WE NOW RELY ON FOR PARKING. PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION CAN THEN STOP AT ONE OR MORE LOCATIONS, ONE OR TWO LOCATIONS RATHER THAN THE SEVEN WE NOW HAVE WITH A FOREST ROAD BYPASS. CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE PREFERRED PATH EVACUATION IS ENHANCED RELIEVING THE TRAFFIC CLOG AT THE Y. SPEAKING OF GROWTH, THE STATE SEES INCREASED TRAFFIC COMING OUR WAY IN THE FUTURE, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD NOT BE SPENDING OVER A BILLION DOLLARS. I SUPPORT THE BUILDING OF THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MIKE. JESSE ALEXANDER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY AL ELLO. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS JESSE ALEXANDER, RESIDENT OF FLAGSTAFF. I'VE WORKED IN SEDONA FOR ABOUT 23 YEARS NOW. 18 BEING IN THE LAST, OR [02:40:01] IN UPTOWN 18 OF THE LAST YEARS IN UPTOWN. UM, I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW ME, AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PARKING SINCE ABOUT 2012 BACK WITH MY FRIENDS ABRAM AND JOE ON THE PARKING COMMITTEE THIS LAST FALL, LAST YEAR, ACTUALLY. UM, AND I THINK THAT, UH, MOST OF YOU AGREED THAT PARKING WAS NEEDED AS DID APRIL AND, UH, OR PAR MORE PARKING WAS NEEDED AS DID. UH, BOTH OF MY FRIENDS, HOWEVER, WE KEEP MOVING THE DECISION BACKWARDS. UM, WE TALK ABOUT HOW IT'S 80, 83, 84, 80 $5,000 A SPACE NOW. AND, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY COST OF DOING BUSINESS LABOR IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAS GONE UP APPROXIMATELY 60%. UM, I HAVE COST OF GOODS GONE UP 40 TO 60% DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. EVERYTHING IS GOING UP. UM, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS. I THINK THAT WE NEED THE GARAGE. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO, AS MIKE SAYS, KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. UM, I REPRESENT CANYON PORTAL AND IT'S SMALL PLAZA, WHICH HAS APPROXIMATELY 40 TENANTS. I TRIED TO GET MOST OF 'EM TO EMAIL YOU TODAY. UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, I ALSO REPRESENT ABOUT 140 ISH EMPLOYEES THAT, AGAIN, EMPLOYEES ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. AND I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, HOWEVER IT'S STILL NEEDED. AND RATHER THAN, I GUESS, PUSH THE CAN DOWN ON THE ROAD. IN FACT, TONIGHT I FOUND OUT THAT, UH, THINGS ARE GOING UP SO MUCH THAT A PICKLEBALL COURT COSTS $200,000. ONE SINGLE PICKLEBALL COURT. 1,000,500. YEAH, BUT ALL EIGHT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S FOR EIGHT. ALL EIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S FOR EIGHT. SO ONE OF THEM WAS IF YOU DO THE MATH, APPROXIMATELY 200,000 AND THAT'S NEEDED. I THINK WE NEED THINGS LIKE THAT. I, I'M GLAD THAT THE CITY'S IN A POSITION THAT WE CAN PAY FOR THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THIS IS ALSO NEEDED AND IT'S TIME TO, TO REALLY SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES UPTOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JESSE. AL KALO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN MARTINEZ. GOOD, GOOD EVENING. AL ELLO, RESIDENT OF SEDONA FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. UH, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, UH, BASED ON 20 YEARS OF, UH, PLANNING AND EXECUTION OF STUDIES AND EXPERT. UH, BUT I CAN'T ADD ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN ALREADY SAID. BUT I WILL ADMIT THAT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IS NOT REALLY AN OPTION. AND I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE SEDONA WORK FORWARD AND WORK ON PROJECTS THAT REALLY WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN UPTOWN. AND TO ME, THIS PROJECT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT ALONG WITH THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M ALSO KNOWN FOR IS, UH, WEBC CAMERAS. THE ROOF OF THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT PLACE FOR THE SEDONAS NEW DMO TO HAVE A EARTH CAM SHOWING AND SHARING THE WONDERFUL VIEWS OF SEDONA FROM THE ROOF OF THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW BUILDING. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, AL. THANK YOU, JOHN MARTINEZ. YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE LAST ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? YOU'RE ON THE NEXT ITEM. JEN, I HAVE YOU DONE FOR EIGHT B. DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS ONE INSTEAD? UM, YOUR CHOICE. YES. ONE OR BOTH. OKAY. SO THEN YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS ONE. WE'LL JUST CHANGE IT. OKAY. SO YOU CAN SPEAK AFTER JOHN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MADAM VICE MAYOR. COUNSEL, GREAT PRESENTATION. GREAT PRESENTATION. AND I KNOW ALL THE HARD WORK THAT STAFF HAS PUT IN. UM, THERE'S TWO PHRASES THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN USED A LOT. IT'S, I ALWAYS SAID IT WAS JESSICA'S FAVORITE PHRASE. DON'T KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. I CANNOT BELIEVE THE COST OF THIS PROJECT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY CHEAPER. AND WE DO NEED PARKING TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT A NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE BROUGHT UP ALREADY. THERE'S AN EXPRESSION ALSO THAT'S USED PARALYSIS BY ANALYSIS. WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO, DIVULGE MORE INTO THIS AND MORE INTO THAT FOR EVERYTHING. BUT LET'S STOP, LET'S MAKE THE DECISION. I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET ANY MORE BETTER INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GOT NOW. BUT THE ONE, TWO OR THE TWO THINGS THAT I BELIEVE IS IMPORTANT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARKING GARAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH FOREST ROAD IS SAFETY, IS SAFETY. THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS, THEY WERE AT THE BOTTOM. THE ONE THAT WAS LIKE EVERYONE, ANY LONG TIME RESIDENT REMEMBERS THE Y AND THEN YOU GOT THE ONE OVER THERE BY BREWER ROAD. THOSE ARE KILLERS. IF YOU WANNA GET THE HECK OUT OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY ALL THE UPTOWN PEOPLE, AND YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN THERE TO DO IT, IT'S GONNA BE A DISASTER. SO BY PUTTING THAT GARAGE AND WITH THE FOREST EXTENSION, YOU'RE GOING THE OTHER WAY. AND IN FACT, IF YOU REMEMBER SOME OF US THAT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TOTALLY WERE IN FAVOR [02:45:01] OF THAT FOREST ROAD EXTENSION. THE NEXT THING THAT I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT BY THIS PARKING GARAGE, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY DO SOME SUSTAINABILITY. THAT PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT SMOG. THERE'S VERY LITTLE SMOG. I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT DOESN'T EXIST, IT HAPPENS WITH A MOVING CAR. BUT WHEN YOU'RE IDLING OR REALLY SLOW, WHICH IS UP AND DOWN THOSE STREETS, IT IS VERY DANGEROUS IN THE AMOUNT OF CO2 THAT IT GETS PUT INTO THE AIR. SO THIS IS GONNA HELP. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS TRAFFIC WITH REGARD TO GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREETS OF WILSON AND SMITH AND UP ON 89 A AND GOING AROUND ALL THOSE ROUNDABOUTS. IT IS BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. SO DON'T DO THE EASY THING BY SAYING, WE'RE GONNA KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. DO THE RIGHT THING AND APPROVE THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOHN. UH, SO JEN FONZWORTH, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THIS ITEM? NOT, UH, EIGHT YES. EIGHT B. OKAY. I DO. THANK YOU, JOANNE. YOU GOT THAT? OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JEN FARNSWORTH AND I'M A RESIDENT OF UPTOWN MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WITH THE WORK THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED, THERE SEEMS TO BE NO INTEREST TO REVISIT THE POTENTIAL EVACUATION IMPACTS OF THE GARAGE, BUT I APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL TO REVISIT THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT. AND BECAUSE A PROMISE WAS MADE THAT PROMISE ASSURED RESIDENTS THAT A COMPREHENSIVE EVACUATION ANALYSIS, ONE, WHICH COMPLIED WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS WOULD BE COMPLETED. THIS IS NOT WHAT HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO DATE THREE YEARS AGO. IT WAS THE UPTOWN RESIDENTS WITH THE CONTINUOUS SUPPORT OF THE VICE MAYOR PLU AND COUNSELOR KINSELLA, WHO BEGAN THE PROCESS OF ADVOCATING FOR THE CITY TO UNDERTAKE A COMPREHENSIVE EVACUATION STUDY WITH EVACUATION TIME ESTIMATE REPORTS. OUR GOAL WAS ALWAYS FOR EXPERTS TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH NEW AND CRITICAL INFORMATION ABOUT CITYWIDE LIFE SAFETY VULNERABILITIES, AND TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY RESPONDERS WITH HIGH TECH TOOLS TO ADD TO THEIR TOOLBOX. WEST DEON WAS GIVEN THE PROJECT TO OVERSEE. HE FOCUSED ON CREATING AN OUTSTANDING CHAIN OF COMMAND AND TRAINING DOCUMENT FOR ALL THE PARTNER AGENCIES, EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, AND CITY STAFF DURING AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION. THIS DOCUMENT MAY WELL BE ONE OF THE BEST OPERATIONAL PLANS IN THE ENTIRE STATE, BUT THE FOCUS OF THE WORK COMPLETED TO DATE WAS NOT AN EVACUATION STUDY. AND THE WORK COMPLETED FOR SEDONA HAS NOT CAPTURED MUCH OF THE DATA AND INFORMATION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ACCURATE INDUSTRY STANDARD RESULTS AND MODELING. THE REASON CITIES HIRE EVACUATION EXPERT FIRMS TO DO THIS WORK IS BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPERTS. THIS IS A HIGHLY TECHNICAL FIELD, AND FIRMS USE STATE-OF-THE-ART PROPRIETARY TOOLS WITH DECADES OF REAL WORLD, WORLD AND AFTER EVENT EXPERIENCE TO DELIVER BEST IN INDUSTRY RESULTS AND TOOLS FOR CITY LEADERSHIP. AND YES, FIRMS MODEL HUMAN BEHAVIOR. THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF A STUDY. AND MINIMALLY FOR A CITY OF OUR SIZE WOULD REQUIRE SURVEYING AT LEAST 250 RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. BECAUSE SEDONA HAS SUCH EXTRAORDINARY EVACUATION CONSTRAINTS AND UPTOWN HAS A SEVERELY COMPROMISED INFRASTRUCTURE, PLEASE CONSIDER FULFILLING YOUR PLEDGE TO THE FULL EXTENT OF WHAT WAS PROMISED AND REVISIT HIRING AN EVACUATION EXPERT FIRM TO COMPLETE THIS WORK. AND I WANNA MENTION THAT JUST BEFORE THIS COUNCIL MEETING, I GOT A CALL FROM ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S FOREMOST ACADEMIC EXPERTS ON EVACUATION AND TRAFFIC MODELING. AND HE CONFIRMED FOR ME THAT WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS ACCURATE AND THAT THE VIS TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC MODELING WITHOUT HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND MANY OTHER INPUTS, INCLUDING SURVEYING, WOULD NOT PRODUCE ACCURATE RESULTS. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS, AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT. I FEEL UNTIL THIS IS DONE, PLEASE DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GARAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOHN. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE OUT, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. LET'S BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, OR, UH, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AFTER WE WE'RE DONE WITH THIS PORTION. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I, I DID WANT TO GO BACK TO IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, MR. COHEN ASKED ABOUT THE EXPANSION JOINTS. AND I, I, I CANNOT UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE NOISE AND THE RIPPLE EFFECT. IS THAT ADDRESSED IN THE NEW MODERN TECHNOLOGY OF PARKING GARAGES? MAYOR COUNCIL? UH, YES. THE HAPPY COINCIDENCE IS THE SIZE OF THIS GARAGE IS RIGHT BELOW THE LIMIT WHERE WE'LL HAVE EXPANSION JOINTS. SO WE DO NOT HAVE AN EXPANSION JOINT, UH, IN THIS GARAGE. UH, THE WAY WE'VE GOT IT CONFIGURED, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE JUMP RAMP ARRANGEMENT, UH, THE INDEPEN IN, UH, INDIVIDUAL PLATES OF THE SLABS ARE NOT REQUIRING AN EXPANSION JOINT. WOULD THIS BE GAPS? NO. THERE WILL BE A CONTINUOUS POUR. IT IS A SINGLE PORE ALL THE WAY ACROSS. REALLY 286 FEET IS THE UPPER LIMIT. YOU CAN GO ABOUT 300 FEET FOR THIS KIND OF CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHY WE LOOK [02:50:01] AT EXPERTS. BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER KNEW THAT. I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO GO EIGHT TO 10 FEET BEFORE, DON'T YOU DON'T. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE EXPERTS. THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE, UH, MR. COHEN ASKED ABOUT AIR CONDITIONING. THERE'S NO AIR CONDITIONING. YES, SIR. UH, WE DO HAVE EXHAUST SYSTEMS. EXHAUST SYSTEMS. RIGHT. THE EXHAUST SYSTEMS, THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, AT THE ONE LEVEL BELOW GRADE. SO THEY ARE ALL BELOW GRADE. UH, AND THEN AT THE FOREST STREET SIDE, THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE BASEMENT. SO EVERYTHING IS BELOW GRADE, SO YOU WILL NOT BE HAVING ANY OF THAT FAN NOISE, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE THE QUANTITY OF FANS THAT WE HAVE IS SO THAT THEY CAN BE SLOW MOVING. UH, THEY CAN BE LOW VELOCITY, WHICH IN ESSENCE MEANS THEY'LL BE MUCH QUIETER. YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY ECHOING OFF THE, THE BELOW GRADE, THE GROUND AND THE, ARE THEY GONNA BE IN PITS? WHAT ARE THEY GOING? UH, THEY ARE BASICALLY, THEY'RE MACHINES THAT WILL BE IN THE SPACE AND THEY'RE PROTECTED BY BOLLARDS. UH, BUT THEY'RE, THE, THE DUCT WORK ITSELF IS LINED IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE SEEING OR HEARING MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, NOISE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. IT'LL BE VERY MINIMAL NOISE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KNOW PETE HAS A BUNCH OF THINGS, BUT LET'S GET TO EVERYBODY ELSE FIRST. I CAN ADDRESS THE SOLAR ARRAY, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION. WELL, I THINK PETE WANTS TO ASK ABOUT THIS. I'M SORRY. NO. OH, YOU MISSED CAN MISS ONE? OKAY. UH, UH, COUNCIL ILLA GO FIRST AND THEN WE CAN GET TO THE, SO SURE. OKAY. I, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF, I THINK THESE ARE QUESTIONS FOR ANDY AND FOR KURT. UM, WHICH HAVE TO DO WITH THE, THE CONTRACT, UH, ON PAGE 230 OF THE CONTRACT, DUST CONTROL IS ADDRESSED AND ON PAGE 232, TRAFFIC CONTROL AND PARKING CONTROL IS ADDRESSED. UM, THE DUST CONTROL PLAN ADDRESSES, I THINK SOME OF THE AIR QUALITY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP BECAUSE THERE ARE MISTERS IN, AND IT LOOKS TO ME AS THOUGH THE MISTERS WOULD BE ENGAGED REGULARLY TO KEEP THIS, CONSTANTLY THE DUST DOWN. I CAN'T TELL FROM THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE IF THE MRS ARE EMPLOYED ONLY OCCASIONALLY OR IF THEY WOULD BE EMPLOYED IN AN ONGOING FASHION AS A DUST CONTROL MANUAL. TYPICALLY WHEN THERE'S GONNA BE A WORK DONE THAT'S GENERATING DUST, IT'S NOT A CONTINUAL KIND OF THING. AND ONE THING ABOUT THIS KIND OF WORK, THIS KIND OF PROJECT IS REALLY THE MAJORITY OF DUST IS GENERATED WHEN YOU'RE MOVING EXCAVATING OR DUMPING MATERIAL. SO THAT FIRST TWO TO THREE MONTHS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WILL BE THE, THE TIME THAT, THAT WE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF DUST HAPPENING. WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THAT IS IT'S A, A SMALL PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT DURATION, BUT, BUT THOSE MISTERS WOULD BE EMPLOYED WHEN, WHEN THAT KIND OF WORK IS GOING ON. OKAY. WHICH LEADS, THIS IS ALL INTERLINKED. SO IT'S SORT OF A THREE PART QUESTION. SO THEN THE, THE, AGAIN, TRAFFIC CONTROL AND UH, PARKING CONTROL ARE ADDRESSED ON PAGE 2 32. AND THERE'S LANGUAGE THERE THAT SAYS FAILURE TO COMPLY MAY RESULT IN A REDUCTION OF COMPENSATION. UH, SO WHY IS THAT LANGUAGE ALSO THEN WOULDN'T THAT BE APPLIED TO DUST CONTROL MEASURES? WELL, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, IN OUR CONTRACT, NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONTRACT CAN ULTIMATELY LEAD TO WITHHOLDING OF, OF PAYMENT. UM, BUT I CAN'T QUOTE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. SO I DON'T KNOW IF BOB KNOWS THAT LANGUAGE BETTER. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A SCENARIO WHERE THE CONTRACT WASN'T PERFORMING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONTRACTS AND, UH, WE WOULD BE SECURING ANOTHER SERVICE FROM ANOTHER SUPPLIER FOR THAT SERVICE. AND THAT WOULD BASICALLY EQUATE TO A DEDUCT ON THE CONTRACT. SO DOES IT MEAN, UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT THE LANGUAGE IS THERE FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL AND, AND, UH, PARKING CONTROL THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS SPECIFICALLY THERE? DOES THAT MEAN SOMETHING BEYOND THAT, THAT THAT WOULD APPLY TO DUST? THAT IF THERE ARE JUST NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THAT THERE WOULD BE AN OVERALL, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S SPECIFIC IN ONE LOCATION AND NOT THE OTHER. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. REDUCTION OF COMPENSATION. IS IT HAVING THE LANGUAGE THERE? DOES IT MEAN SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU SAID THAT WOULD JUST COVER IF YOU HAD TO SECURE AN OUTSIDE SERVICE? BUT DOES IT, IF IT'S, SINCE IT'S SPECIFICALLY SAID IN ON PAGE 2 32, DOES IT MEAN A RE UH, THAT IT WOULD BE WITHHELD BE ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST WHAT IT WOULD COST TO SECURE THAT SERVICE FROM ELSEWHERE? THE, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROTECTIONS IN THE CONTRACT. I MEAN, COUNSEL, I'D, I'D SAY THAT THAT LANGUAGE AND THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO, COUNCILLOR ILLA IS A, IS A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT BECAUSE IT IS ALL TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH BY THE CONTRACTOR. UM, AND AT ANY TIME THAT THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH IT, THEN THERE CAN BE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE PRICE, UH, OF THE CONTRACT. SO THIS ISN'T GIVING ADDITIONAL PROTECTION? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. THERE THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL SECTION THAT'S ACTUALLY, I THINK MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON DUST AND 2.6 0.2, UH, WHICH IS ON PAGE 10 OF THE CONTRACT, PAGE 75 [02:55:01] OF THE PACKET I BELIEVE. MM-HMM. . AND IT SAYS THE C MARSHAL TAKE WHATEVER STEPS, PROCEDURES, OR MEANS, UH, TO PREVENT ANY DUST NUISANCE DUE TO CONSTRUCTION OPERATIONS. DUST CONTROL MEASURES SHALL BE MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE CITY. UM, SO IF THERE ENDED UP, IF THERE WERE TO BE PROBLEMS AND THE CITY COULD, COULD INCREASE THE DUST CONTROL MEASURES. OKAY. I, BECAUSE I, I GUESS I WAS TAKING SOME COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT THERE, IT WAS SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A LOT OF ATTENTION GIVEN TO THESE AREAS OF CONCERN. SO THAT'S WHY I POINT THAT OUT. I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, KURT, THIS IS FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY. THESE PAGES ARE MARKED AS QUOTE SAMPLE CITY OF SEDONA, UH, SEYMOUR CONSTRUCTION PHASE CONTRACT SUBJECT TO REVISION. SO IS THIS, HOW CLOSE IS THIS LANGUAGE TO WHAT THE ACTUAL CONTRACT WILL BE? IT IT IS THE, IT IS OKAY. YEAH. THE, UH, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CHANGES FROM THIS. WE LEAVE IT AS A SAMPLE UP UNTIL WE RECEIVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE IT'S FINE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE IF WE VOTED AND THEN THERE WERE GONNA BE CHANGES, I, I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE VOTING ON THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE AS WELL. CORRECT. OKAY. SO VERY RARELY THERE WOULD BE A, A TYPO OR SOME OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT CHANGE, WHICH IS WHERE GENERALLY IN THE MOTION WILL BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. UH, ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL BEFORE IT WAS CHANGED. OKAY. I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DO THEM LATER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RELATED EXACTLY TO THIS. THEY'RE A LITTLE BROADER. OKAY. JESSICA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I HAVE 'EM, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND THEN BEFORE WE GO TO PETE, I KNOW YOU WANNA GO AFTER PETE. YEAH. SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE LEFT TO ASK AFTER PETE. DOES BE ON THE SPOT? YEAH, NO, THAT'S FINE. AT LEAST THEY'LL BE ASKED. ALRIGHT, PETE, VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY, PETE, GO FOR IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU. SO, UH, I'M GONNA, I I WANNA EXPLAIN WHERE I'M COMING FROM AND WHY I WANNA ASK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. AND I'M REALLY DOING IT FRANKLY BECAUSE I'M A REPRESENTATIVE FROM OUR PUBLIC HERE AND I AM EXPECTED TO BE A FISCAL STEWARD OF THE PUBLIC DOLLARS. AND SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY MOTIVATION IS HERE. I I COME TO THIS COUNCIL WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND PERHAPS THAT SOME OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES DON'T HAVE, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN CITY GOVERNMENT IN THE BAY AREA IN CALIFORNIA. AND SO, AND, AND, AND I HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS AND WE DID LOTS OF PROJECTS IN, IN, UH, IN THE BAY AREA IN, IN SAN JOSE IN THE YEARS THAT I WAS THERE. SO WHEN I FIRST STARTED TO THINK ABOUT A GARAGE, MY OLD DATA, AND I'LL ADMIT IT'S 10 YEARS OLD, UH, IS THAT A STRUCTURED PARKING, UH, IS $40,000 A SPOT? IT'S KIND OF THE REFERENCE NUMBER THAT WE HAD. IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER THAT WE USED. UH, IT CAME TO BE TRUE. UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS THE BAY AREA, CALIFORNIA. AND SO THERE ARE SEISMIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE HERE. CALIFORNIA IS A HIGH REGULATION STATE, UH, THAT ADDS A LOTS OF COST. LABOR COSTS ARE HIGH IN CALIFORNIA. MANY OF THESE THINGS I WOULD EXPECT TO BE FAR CHEAPER THAN, UH, IN ARIZONA IN GENERAL. SO, UM, SO WHEN I, WHEN $85,000, UH, CAME ACROSS MY DESK, THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. AND SO I WENT AND DID THE DEEP DIVE TRYING TO DO LOTS OF RESEARCH TO TRY AND JUSTIFY TO MYSELF WHY THAT NUMBER IS DIFFERENT. AND YOU KNOW, I, I SHARED, PERHAPS YOU GUYS HAVE HAD IT BECAUSE I SHARED WITH CITY STAFF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOOGLE RESEARCH I DID, AND THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE GREAT ARTICLES OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT COSTS TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE AND RIGHT. AND THESE ARE INDUSTRY KIND OF PUBLICATIONS, THE DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN TO BUILDING A NEW PARKING GARAGE AND BY W-G-I-N-C, THE 2023 PARKER PARKING STRUCTURE, COST OUTLOOK, THEY EVERY YEAR PUBLISH A PARKING STRUCTURE COST OUTLOOK FOR THE NATION, AND THEY DETAIL IT BY STATE, BY CITY OF, OF WHAT YOU SHOULD EXPECT, WHERE THIS IS THE 2023 NUMBERS HERE. SO, RIGHT. I'M, I'M TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THE INFLATION THAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT AND THE DIFFICULTIES THAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOW OF $25,000 A SPACE IN HOUSTON, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF, UH, OF $29,000 A SPACE IN SAN FRANCISCO, AGAIN REFERRING TO MY BAY AREA NUMBERS OF $36,000 A OF A SPACE. SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT MY NUMBERS ARE, ARE TOO FAR OFF, RIGHT AS A BASELINE. AND, UM, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE WORK THAT, UH, IS HAPPENING HERE. [03:00:01] AND ANDY, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU PROVIDED US WITH AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND, AND I LOOK AT THIS, UH, PAGE AND IT'S YOUR SLIDE 50 FROM THE PRESENTATION TODAY. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A, A GREAT ATTEMPT, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA QUIBBLE THE NUMBERS IN YOUR SPREAD SHEET, ANDY, BUT I WANNA UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEM. THE ROCK EXCAVATION, I GET THE REDUCED EXCAVATION EXPORT. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT OTHER GARAGES, REFERENCE GARAGES THAT COST LESS, MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH. I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WORDS. YOU HAVE REDUCED EXCAVATION EXPORT BY HALF A STORY, AND I THINK THAT'S LIKE THE BACK HALF. OUR GARAGES NOT HALF STORY, BUT THAT SHOULD HELP REDUCE OUR COST. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE SUBTRACTING IT AGAIN IN THE, IN THE SPREADSHEET. SO I, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHY THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE CREDITING HERE THAT $700,000 WAS REAL MONEY. SO I, I WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE. BOB. BOB, DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY, . I DIDN'T THINK SO. WELL, THEY'RE TRYING TO PULL UP THIS SLIDE. SO, SO BOB WOULD BE THE BEST ONE TO START OFF THE, UH, DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THIS IS. AND I'M, I'M HAPPY TO JUMP IN, BUT I'D LOVE FOR HIM TO START. SO COUNSELOR FURMAN IS ASKING WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP NUMBER AND THE SECOND NUMBER IS NOT THAT THE TOP NUMBER I GET THAT'S EX YOU'RE SAYING $3 MILLION TO EXCAVATE IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR THAT. AND I GET THAT MAYBE OTHER GARAGES DON'T DO ROCK EXCAVATION. SO THAT NUMBER I UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REAL DOLLARS. THAT'S $11,000, THAT'S SPACE FOR OUR GARAGE. SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT CAREFULLY, BUT IT'S THE NEXT NUMBER, $700,000, WHICH IS REAL MONEY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS AND WHY THAT'S IN THIS SPREADSHEET. SO I THAT'S, THAT'S REFLECTING IF WE TOOK THAT PARKING GARAGE AND RAISED IT UP A HALF STORY AND TOOK OUT THAT, UM, UH, CONSIDERING A MORE MODEST, UH, ELEVATION, UH, WITH ONLY LIKE A HALF STORY BURIED IN THE ROCK. SO WE STILL HAVE $700,000 WORTH OF ROCK EXCAVATION THAT WE WOULD NEED. NEED TO STILL DO. ISN'T ISN'T THAT BURIED IN THE 3 MILLION ABOVE IT? I THINK THAT MAYBE THE QUESTION ANDY DISCUSSED, THE, THE, THERE WAS ROUGHLY TO GET US TO THAT HALF STORY CLOSE TO THAT WE SPENT ROUGHLY, UH, ALREADY, UH, FOR, UH, 7,000 KIBBE GUARDS. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT'S UH, ALMOST $2.2 MILLION AS, AS I RECALL. SO, OKAY. I'M, I'M NOT GONNA DWELL ON DEEP ON, SO, AND, AND ANY OF THESE, BOB, OKAY, I, I'M SHORING IS IN HERE, BUT IS DON'T WE HAVE SHORING IN THE $5 MILLION? DIDN'T WE SEE SHORING AND SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE SHORING IN THERE. SO IF WE, IF WITH THE EXCAVATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO THE LEVEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE SHORING. I SEE. SO WE TAKE THAT, I THINK A LOT OF REFERENCE GARAGES ALSO SINK A STORY OR TWO. YES. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD TAKE SHORING OUT OF THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS, RIGHT? IF OUR, IF OUR SITE WAS LARGER AND WE COULD ACCESS IT FROM ALL FOUR SIDES AND OR SLOPE OUR EXCAVATION BACK WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO SHORING. THAT WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS. OF COURSE, YOU STILL HAVE TO BACKFILL THAT SPACE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO AN ANCILLARY COST. SO, RIGHT. THE FTOS, THE FTO, PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEM ARRAY, ANDY WAS IN HERE, AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF MY REFERENCE NUMBERS ACTUALLY DID HAVE PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEMS. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN QUIBBLE ABOUT THESE NUMBERS, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, AT $400,000, IT, IT ADDS UP HERE, RUNNING DOWN. THEN YOU GET TO THE SEDONA LOCAL ADJUSTMENT AT 3%, $525,000. WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO ME? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO THAT'S, THAT'S A, UM, A LOCAL ADJUSTMENT FOR MORE OR LESS, UM, UM, BIDDING THAT INCLUDES THAT YOUR LABOR NEEDS TO BE, UH, RESIDING FAIRLY LOCAL TO SEDONA, THE JOB SITE. UM, THERE'S, UH, CONSTRAINTS OF COURSE, ON THE JOB SITE. SO HAVING, UH, SOME OF YOUR MATERIAL STORAGE, UH, AVAILABLE TO YOU ON THE SITE MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE FOR THIS PARKING GARAGE, WE HAVE, UH, WORKED WITH THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT PARKING AREA ACROSS THE STREET FOR CON STORAGE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, UM, AND BOB I CONTRACTOR, I BELIEVE THIS WOULD ALSO ACCOUNT FOR THE ADDED COST OF OUR GEO GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION CONSTRAINTS, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN MATERIALS FROM OUTSIDE OF SEDONA, YOU KNOW, ALSO THE LABOR FORCE THEY TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. ALL OF THOSE KIND [03:05:01] OF THINGS THAT ARE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE OF THE PROJECT BEING IN SEDONA VERSUS SOMEWHERE WHERE THOSE RESOURCES ARE MORE EASILY AVAILABLE. YEAH. AND AS AN EXAMPLE ON THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK, OUR CONTRACTOR IS USING, UTILIZING A SITE THAT'S REMOTE FROM THE SITE THAT HE CURRENTLY WORKS ON. THE SITE IS VERY COMPACT, OF COURSE. SO THERE'S NO ABILITY TO STORE MATERIAL ON THAT SITE AT ALL. SO HE HAS TO TRANSPORT, UH, ACCESS MATERIAL OFF THAT SITE AND STORE IT OVER THERE, AND THEN BRING THAT MATERIAL BACK IN ON THE SITE. WHEREAS IF YOU HAD A LARGER SITE, UH, SAY THE, UH, UNIVERSITY'S BUILDING A PARKING GARAGE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO STORE THAT MATERIAL ON THE SITE, GENERALLY SPEAKING. SO A AGAIN, GOING THROUGH HERE, WE, WE GET DOWN TO THE MORE COMPETITIVE BIDDING AT 5%, 8 75 IS REAL NUMBERS TOO. AND, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S DIFFICULT TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS , AND I'M GONNA TRY TO DO IT IN A, IN A, IN THE NICEST WAY THAT I, I CAN FIGURE OUT TO ASK THEM. BUT THE REAL QUESTIONS IS 5 25 PLUS 8 75 IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MILLION AND WHATEVER. THAT'S, THAT'S AS MUCH AS PICKLE. THAT'S A BIG NUMBER. AND I DON'T KNOW WHOSE POCKETS IT'S GOING TO . I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S BENEFITING FROM THAT AND HOW MUCH IS IT IS MCCARTHY IS, YOU KNOW, MCCARTHY SORT OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FIVE AND THE 3% AND, AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO OR HOW MUCH IS REALLY GOING TO THE SUBS? WELL, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE, WE TOOK A LOOK AT, UM, IN, IN THEIR GENERAL REQUIREMENTS IN GENERAL CONDITIONS, UM, THAT'LL SHOW UP. UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK WE STARTED OUT WITH A, UM, 6% NUMBER IN THERE, AND THAT WAS BROUGHT DOWN TO WELL, BUT, BUT TO THE COUNSELOR'S QUESTION, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S A REAL COST TO MCCARTHY THAT THEY HAVE TO COVER. IF, IF, IF IT IS A REAL COST TO MCCARTHY, IT IS, YES. I MEAN, IT, IT CAME FROM THE VENDORS OR WHETHER MCCARTHY WAS THE ONE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMPARISON WOULD BE THAT THEY'RE DOING A JOB IN PHOENIX WHERE THESE RESOURCES ARE MORE READILY AVAILABLE. AND, AND IT WOULD, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS, THOSE COSTS, WHEN YOU COMPARE THEM TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON, THEY, THEY ARE CHEAPER. AND THAT'S JUST REFLECTED IN THE BIDDING AND THE ACTUAL COSTS THAT, THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT ARE, THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON THIS PROJECT. YEAH, I MIGHT, I MIGHT ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOT THE ONGOING WORK HAPPENING WITH THE HORSE ROAD CONSTRUCTION, AND WE WERE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT CONTRACTOR THE PARKING GARAGE SITE, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL FOR THEM, THAT THAT'S A PLACE TO STORE MATERIAL. THIS IS PLACE TO STORE EQUIPMENT. IT'S READILY NEXT TO THE SITE. WE ARE HAVING TO COORDINATE THAT WORK AND GET THAT CONTRACTOR OFF THAT SITE IN THE, IN THE SCHEDULE FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO PUT THE CONTRACTOR ULTIMATELY BACK ONTO THE PROJECT SITE MORE CLOSER TO SOME OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE AND SPACE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ALLOCATE FOR HIS USE. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE, UM, LOOKING AT WHEN WE DID DEVELOP THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION PLANNING EFFORT FOR FOREST ROAD, AND THAT WAS TO CREATE A CONSTRUCTION PROCESSING AREA AND CONSTRUCTION STORAGE AREAS, ET CETERA. I WOULD, I WOULD ADD TO BOB ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THAT, THAT SPECIFIC LINE ITEM WOULD BE THE LACK OF, OF RESOURCES. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOWN IN A BIGGER METRO AREA, YOU JUST HAVE A LOT MORE CHOICES TO CHOOSE FROM, FROM A MATERIAL LABOR, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STANDPOINT. I I, I, I HEAR THAT, ANDY, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND PERHAPS FROM MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES THAT DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE GENESIS OF THIS SLIDE HERE THAT I, I KIND OF STARTED AT THAT 50, 40, $40,000 SPOT NUMBER, AND I WAS WILLING TO ADD THE $11,000, UH, DEMOLITION COST TO THE NUMBERS THAT I'D HAD, RIGHT? SO THAT'S HOW WE STARTED AT 50, AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO JUSTIFY THE DELTA TO 80, 83, 80 $4,000 A SPOT. ONE OF MY DATA POINTS IS A, UM, VERY RECENT CONSTRUCTION GARAGE CONSTRUCTION DOWN IN THE VALLEY, . AND WHEN SOMEBODY HELPED ME, YOU KNOW, PULL NUMBERS THAT LOOKED AT SOME OF THE TRADES AND WE LOOKED AT CONCRETE, AND ON A PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS, IT LOOKED OKAY, BUT ON A [03:10:01] A PER SPOT BASIS, OUR NUMBER IS WAY HIGHER. AND SO THAT LEADS ME TO ASK A QUESTION IS, IS THERE SOMETHING IN OUR DESIGN THAT'S USING MORE CONCRETE PER SPOT THAN PERHAPS OTHER DESIGNS WOULD USE? MAYOR, UH, COUNSELORS, THE CONFIGURATION, AND I HEAR ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES SORT OF SNICKERING AT ME, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 8,000 $8,800 A SPOT AND $26,000 A SPOT. SO IT'S A SERIOUS NUMBER. AND SO IT'S A, IT'S A REAL QUESTION, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE, UH, THE GARAGE BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED FOOTPRINT WE HAVE, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THAT CIRCULAR ARRANGEMENT, RIGHT? YOU DO HAVE THE RAMPS AS OPPOSED TO, IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE FUNNY THINGS I OFTEN SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO A PARKING GARAGE AND YOU'RE GOING UP THE RAMP AND THEY DON'T USE THE PARKING BECAUSE THE RAMP'S TOO STEEP, BUT THEY COUNT THOSE SPACES. BUT, UH, OUR CONFIGURATION WITH THE JUMP RAMP, WITH THE, THE PAIRS OF RAMPS SO THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT CIRCULAR, UH, UH, THAT CIRCULATION, UH, ON ANY LEVEL IS INHERENTLY A BIT LESS EFFICIENT. SO YOU DO HAVE A BIT, UH, OF A, OF A DIFFERENTIAL THERE. UH, NOW THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, I HAVEN'T DONE A, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF A STUDY OF THAT, BUT, UH, THERE IS A LITTLE LESS EFFICIENCY AS OPPOSED TO PARKING ON THE RAMP ITSELF. THAT IS, THAT IS MANDATORY WITH THE NUMBER OF LEVELS AND THE, THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT WE HAVE, THE TRADITIONAL APPROACH IS THAT YOU HAVE THE, THE GRADUAL RISE UP THE MIDDLE OF THE RAMP, AND THEN YOU CAN CIRCLE IN TWO DIRECTIONS. WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THAT BIG OF A FOOTPRINT. IS, IS THE CHALLENGE. I WOULD ALSO THROW OUT TOO, THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A COST PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS, UM, YOU, YOU REALLY DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RESTROOMS, POLICE SUBSTATION, AND THOSE OTHER SPACES, AND, AND, AND THAT'S OKAY. COST PER SQUARE FOOT, IT, IT LOOKED REASONABLE COMPARED TO A RECENT PHOENIX BUILD COST PER SQUARE FOOT. SO THAT'S OF THE CONCRETE OF THE, OF THE CONCRETE THAT WE'RE POURING. AND SO I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT NUMBER, BUT IT'S, BUT IN TERMS OF THE EFFICIENCY, WE, PER SPACE WE GAVE UP FOR THE EV PARKING, UH, THE CHARGING STATIONS, THEY'RE ABOUT 50% LESS, UH, EFFICIENT. THEY TAKE UP THAT MUCH MORE SPACE. UH, YOU ALSO HAVE SPACES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED TO THE, UH, UH, TO THE GARAGE. THAT COUNT WENT DOWN WHEN WE HAD THE, UH, UH, WHEN WE HAD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. MM-HMM. SPACE, TAKING UP THAT SPACE. THOSE THINGS DO ADD UP, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A RELATIVELY SMALL GARAGE COUNT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER IS, IS IMPACTED MORE DRAMATICALLY WITH 270 SPACES OPPOSED TO A THOUSAND. I, I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, AND I THINK MUCH OF THAT MAKES SENSE, AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S WORTH FOUR, THREE TIMES, YOU KNOW, WHAT PHOENIX PAYS FOR DESIGNS VERSUS WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT WORK AND CAN HELP ME THROUGH THAT NUMBER. NOW, IF I LOOK AT THE SERVICES PLUMBING, HVAC, MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL ON A, UM, COST PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS, I SEE NUMBERS THAT LOOK ALMOST 10 TIMES WHAT RECENT PHOENIX GARAGES COST 10 TIMES. YEAH. AND COUNSELOR, PART OF THAT IS THE, THE LIMITED SQUARE FOOTAGE WE HAVE, I THINK WE HAVE AROUND 118,000 SQUARE FEET. SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE THAT FROM A COST PER SQUARE FOOT, THE LOWER THE COST OR THE LOWER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE HIGHER THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT TENDS TO BE. THERE'S SOME OF THAT. AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PREMIUMS THAT WE ARE PAYING OUR, UH, ELECTRICAL TRADE PARTNERS AND OUR PV TRADE PARTNERS AND MECHANICAL, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH DEMAND LOCALLY, UH, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CERTAINLY, UH, PROVIDING US A PREMIUM TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. YIKES. UH, I THINK COUNCILOR FOLTZ WOULD PROBABLY ALSO TELL YOU HOW MUCH, IF THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE BASED ON HIS, UH, NEW RENOVATION AS WELL. ANDY, I ALSO WANT TO JUST PUT IN HERE NOT TO CAST, UH, ANY SHADE TO YOU, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, MY NUMBER THAT WE, UH, WE PITCHED TO YOU, MY CHALLENGE TO YOU DID INCLUDE THE EXCAVATION COSTS, AND THEN YOU ALSO PUT IT IN HERE TOO, SO THAT, THAT, THAT RIGHT. MY, MY NUMBER OF 55 INCLUDED THE HIGH $11,000 SPOT EXCAVATION, AND THEN YOU ALSO PUT IT IN YOUR SPREADSHEET. AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THERE TO TRY AND JUSTICE. SO I THINK SOME OF THESE OTHER FACTORS THAT YOU GOT IN HERE ARE ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN WHAT YOU PUT IN. THAT'S FINE. IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER PROJECTS THOUGH, THAT INCLUDE EXCAVATION, THEY MAY BE BURIED, BURIED PARKING. [03:15:02] MOST OF THOSE ARE NOT GONNA BE IN THE KIND OF ROCK THAT WE'RE DIGGING IN. SO, WELL, I, I GET IT. SO I, I, I ALREADY PUT IN THE $11,000 A SQUARE FOOT TO GET FROM MY 40 TO 50 NUMBER THAT I STARTED. SO WE PREPARED THIS COUNSELOR WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. SURE. NOT JUST FOR YOU. SO THIS IS FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS IS AT. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH, YOU BET. YEAH. THANK YOU. UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER JUST QUESTIONS. IS IT TWO 70 OR 2 72 SPOTS? ? IT'S TWO 70. IT IS TWO 70 MM-HMM. . AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 17 5 45 FOR THE MCCARTHY CONTRACT, 5 1 33 FOR THE WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA DO, 22 6 78, 22 $0.678 MILLION. WHAT ELSE IS NOT IN HERE YET? IF WE WANNA REALLY THINK ABOUT THE TOTAL COST OF THE GARAGE. I, I, MY, UH, MIND GOES TO THINGS LIKE WHAT WAS THE LAND ACQUISITION, WHAT WAS THE DEMO OF THE STRUCTURE, WHAT WAS THE DEMO TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, THE DESIGN WE'VE ALREADY PAID EXCEPT FOR THIS ADDITIONAL 150. WHERE IS THAT NUMBER? I, I'VE GOT IT IN HERE SOMEWHERE. UH, SEE, UH, NO, THE ARCHITECT WORK IS $154,000. SO CAN YOU LAY OUT FOR ME ABOVE THE 22,678, WHICH IS THE REDUCED PRICE FOR THE LESS SOLAR, WHAT ELSE HAVE WE, HAVE WE SPENT ON THIS GARAGE OR WILL POTENTIALLY SPEND ON THE SCRATCH? DO YOU WANNA START THAT? UM, SURE. SO, SO WE DID HAVE SOME PREVIOUS PRICING, UH, COSTS ON THIS PROJECT. UH, ONE OF THEM WAS INDEED THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING ON THE STRUCTURE. UH, I THINK THE, AS I RECALL, THAT WAS ROUGHLY $65,000 THAT INCLUDED SOME ASBESTOS PAVEMENT, UM, THAT WAS FOUND IN THAT BUILDING. UM, WE'VE HAD A DRIVEWAY RELOCATION TO, UH, BE ABLE TO UTILIZE A FULL AREA OF THAT STRUCTURE THAT WAS, UH, $61,000 FOR THAT DRIVEWAY RELOCATION. WE'VE HAD A, UH, UM, AN IMPEDIMENT OF A GAS UTILITY ON THE, UH, SOUTHEAST CORNER, I BELIEVE THAT WAS $6,000 TO REMOVE THAT GAS SERVICE. AND THAT METER BACK TO THE MAIN, WE HAD A GAS RELOCATION THAT WAS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, AND, UH, THAT I, AS I RECALL, WAS ON THE ORDER OF $50,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, COUNCIL COUNCILMAN, I'M NOT SURE. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE GOT SOME CURRENT COSTS IN THERE THAT ARE FOR A PS RELOCATION OF, UH, A TRANSFORMER ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. THAT'S KIND OF PRICEY. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE DOLLAR NUMBERS ON THAT. BUT WE HAVE PUT ASIDE A CAVEAT, ROUGHLY $300,000 IN THE BUDGET TO, UM, ENSURE THAT WE'RE COVERING THOSE COSTS. UH, WE DID PUT IN THE, UH, BUDGET A MILLION DOLLAR CONTINGENCY TO HOPEFULLY COVER THE COSTS OF UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT WE, UH, MISSED AND THAT WE'LL NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. BUT, UM, THERE THERE'RE POSSIBLY GOING TO BE SOME MORE COSTS THAT WE WEREN'T, UH, UH, CATCHING. SO, BOB, IF I'M WORKING WITH THE $22.678 MILLION NUMBER, WHAT JUST ROUGHLY IS IT 2 MILLION OTHER DOLLARS THAT WE'VE SPENT MORE OR LESS ADD ADD UP NUMBERS FOR ME, ANDY, DO YOU ON THE, ON THE, UH, SALE OF THE PROPERTY? I, I, I THINK ALTOGETHER IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 1.5 MILLION, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. DO YOU, DO YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T RECALL THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHAT THAT WAS COST US. IT, IT ACTUALLY THE SECOND ITEM, YEAH. OKAY. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, CAN I ASK YOU, JAN, THE ONE 50 4K ADDITIONAL ARCHITECT WORK, WHAT IS THAT MAYOR, COUNCILOR? THE, UH, ONE 50, THE, THE BULK OF THAT MONEY WAS TO REMOBILIZE AND GET WORKING AGAIN, UH, AFTER BEING ON PAUSE FOR TWO YEARS, AS WELL AS REEVALUATING SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR THE BASEMENT RETAINING, UH, CONFIGURATION. UH, WE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE DESIGNS AND PRICE, THOSE MULTIPLE DESIGNS, UH, IN COOPERATION WITH, UH, MCCARTHY. SO WE HAD A CONCRETE VARIATION, UH, WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF BACKFILL, UH, CONFIGURATION, LOOKING AT THAT IN COMPARISON TO USING 12 INCH MASONRY, UH, GROUTED AND REINFORCED IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, SHOT CREEK SHORING ARRANGEMENT. SO THOSE WERE THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT THAT WENT INTO THAT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND LAST, SORT OF, IF I CAN ADD ONE MORE NUMBER AND JAN, UM, JUST REMINDED ME OF THAT. AND WE ARE, WE ARE, WE WILL BE DOING THE, IN-HOUSE, WE WILL TO BE DOING THE IN-HOUSE, QA, QC WITH SOME OF OUR INSPECTION STAFF, BUT WE NEED OUTSIDE RESOURCES TO UTILIZE, UH, IN [03:20:01] CONJUNCTION WITH THE QAQC THAT, UM, INVOLVE, UH, SAMPLING AND TESTING OF MATERIALS ON THE PROJECT. UH, I JUST GOT THAT COST, UH, TODAY AND THAT'S GOING BE ROUGHLY $120,000 NOT IN THIS, UH, PRESENTATION TONIGHT, TONIGHT, BUT THAT WILL BE UNDER THE CITY'S CONTRACT. SO IF YOU KNEW HOW MUCH THE, UH, COST OF THE EQUIPMENT WAS TO RUN THOSE TESTS, YOU'D BE SHOCKED. 'CAUSE WE USED TO BUILD THAT IN MY PREVIOUS CAREER. . YES, ANDY. SO I GOT, I GOT THE PRIOR COST NUMBER IS ABOUT 1.9 MILLION. WHAT, WHAT PRIOR? SO THAT WAS, UH, LAND ACQUISITION. OH, THANK YOU. 1.9 MILLION, UM, ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN COSTS PRIOR TO, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FUND ALL IN. YES. THANK YOU. SO MY LAST SORT OF QUESTION, UH, IN, IN THE, IN THIS VEIN, I WANTED TO ASK THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION SOMEWHERE, I, IT WAS RELATED WHEN WE HAD YOUR SLIDE 47 UP, WHICH WAS THAT COST ESCALATION CURVE FROM 2011 TO 2024. BOB, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS YOU OR WHETHER IT WAS ANDY, I THOUGHT SOMEBODY SAID WE DID A BASELINE COST IN 2022 WITH 13 POINT HALF MILLION. WAS DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? WAS THAT RECOLLECTION RIGHT? YES, THAT WAS THE, UM, THE BASELINE, THE DD WHAT WE CALL THE DD LEVEL OF THE DESIGN. YEAH, CERTAINLY. IT WASN'T THE, THE FINAL, UH, DESIGN. SO AT THAT LEVEL WE WERE AT ROUGHLY 13.5 MILLION TWO. OKAY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT CHART. AND WE GO, THAT CHART GOES BACK A LOT MORE. SO I DID SOME QUICK MATH AND IF YOU LOOK AT 2022 TO CURRENT, THAT'S A 13% RISE IN COST. TAKE YOUR 13 HALF MILLION DOLLARS, THAT SCALES IT UP TO $15 MILLION. SO WE'RE STILL $10 MILLION OF GROWTH IN THOSE TWO YEARS. WHERE DID IT COME FROM? SO I BELIEVE IF YOU'RE COMPARING TO THAT NUMBER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BOB, BUT IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THE CORRECT COMPARISON TO THAT WOULD BE THE 17 THAT WE'RE AT. YES. BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE EXCAVATION THAT WAS ALREADY ANTICIPATED TO BE WITH FAN. THAT'S CORRECT. ON THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT. OKAY. THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO IF I MULTIPLY THAT BY 1.13, THAT'S $19 MILLION. WHERE IS THE 7 MILLION ? THAT'S JUST SORT OF THE SAME KIND OF QUESTION I'VE BEEN ASKING, BUT OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DD LEVEL OF DESIGN VERSUS A FINAL DESIGN. SO THANK YOU. SO CERTAINLY THERE'S, THERE'S NEW DETAILS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE, TO THE DESIGN THAT WEREN'T TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AT, IN 2022 WITH THAT LEVEL OF DESIGN. SO THE CMAR WAS INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT FROM, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY THE 30% LEVEL. AND SO HE WAS GIVING US PROGRESS, AS IT SAYS, AS THAT DESIGN, UM, EVOLVED. AND, UM, THOSE, THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT HELPS US TRACK THE COST AND OF COURSE, UM, TRIGGERS US TO START LOOKING AT VALUE ENGINEERING OPTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO, UH, OFFHAND, BOB, ARE THERE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS OF THE DESIGN THAT GOT ADDED FROM THAT $17 MILLION NUMBER TO THE CURRENT NUMBER THAT WEREN'T IN THE 17, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID SOMETHING RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAT DROVE UP THE COST? OH YEAH, FOR SURE. SO WE, WE STARTED GETTING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT SOME OF THE OFFSITE UTILITIES THAT WE NEEDED TO GET INVOLVED WITH, UH, FOR CERTAIN, UM, TRANSFORMER COSTS, ET CETERA. THE POLICE STATION, THE POLICE STATION, ET CETERA. THE, UM, UM, WHAT ELSE IT REQUIREMENTS, YEAH, IT REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. SO STATE, YOU KNOW, ADDING, ADDING THE STAKEHOLDERS INTO THIS PROCESS, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, THAT THEY WERE PUSHING, UM, AT WE, WE FIRST HAD IN THE COST, BUT THEN WE PUSHED BACK ON ONE WAS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL USE THE LAVATORY USING, UH, STAINLESS STEEL FIXTURES. UM, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO KEEP IT VANDAL PROOF, ET CETERA. BUT THERE'S AN ENORMOUS COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STAINLESS STEEL FIXTURES AND PORCELAIN STRUCTURES. SO, BOB, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY TOO, WHILE WE ALREADY UNDERSTAND THE ROCK EXCAVATION, THAT IN ITSELF HAS INFLATED QUITE A BIT AS WELL. YEAH. THERE WASN'T PLANNING FOR, UH, THE EXCAVATION IN TERMS OF SAFETY AT THAT TIME, UH, BACK IN 2022. SO WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT THE NEED TO STABILIZE THAT EXCAVATION FOR SAY, HEALTH AND SAFETY PURPOSES. AND THAT'S A, A VERY LARGE COST. ALRIGHT. I'M GONNA ASK, I THINK JUST THREE MORE QUESTIONS, MAYBE MAYOR ON A BIT DIFFERENT LINE, BUT I DO THAT AT THIS POINT. WE SAID THERE'S, IF WE DIDN'T BUILD THE GARAGE AND WE JUST MADE THIS A SURFACE LOT, WE COULD GET ABOUT 70 SPOTS. IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND 80. SO WE'D HAVE TO FIND TWO [03:25:01] OR THREE MORE PARCELS OF LAND THAT BIG MM-HMM. TO GET THE EQUIVALENT NUMBER OF SPOTS IT, DO WE HAVE TWO OR THREE MORE PARCELS OF LAND ? WELL, UM, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE GETTING WITH VACANT LAND AT THIS POINT IS THAT IT'S THE LEVEL OF CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE WITH DEVELOPING IT. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CASE IN PRETTY MUCH ANY MUL WELL, MOST WE'RE JUST SCRAPING LOTS THOUGH. I MEAN, DOING SOME KIND OF SERIOUS SCRAPING LIKE WE'VE DONE ALREADY AT THIS SPOT. RIGHT. IT'S STILL POTENTIALLY, IS IT A LOT CHEAPER? I KNOW BRYCE DOESN'T WANT ME TO BUILD SURFACE PARKING LOTS. HE WOULD ROLL OVER AND OVER THERE. NONE OF US REALLY WANNA DO THAT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AS FAR AS COST ON THIS SITE TO GET THE 70 TO 80, UM, WE'VE APPROXIMATED SOMEWHERE AROUND 2.5 MILLION TO, TO DO THAT DEVELOPMENT. THE, THE OTHER CONSIDERATION WITH THAT, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THOUGH, IS LOCATION IS SO KEY. YEAH. SO THAT HAS TO BE BEING ACCOUNTED FOR. IF WE PUT IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE AVAILABLE LOTS, WE HAVE SOME LAND THAT'S BEHIND THE ART CENTER, YOU KNOW, DOWN BY THE CREEK AND NOBODY WANTS TO PUT A PARKING LOT DOWN THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE FAR AWAY AND MAYBE IT WOULDN'T GET THE UTILITY RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE, THE EASE OF ACCESS, THE EASE OF WAY FINDING THE CONVENIENCE AS WELL AS PULLING THE TRAFFIC OFF IN THE RIGHT LOCATION AND REDUCING TRIPS WHERE WE NEED THEM TO BE REDUCED. IT, IT'S ALL RELEVANT AS WELL AS THE E EVACUATION CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, IF WE HAD SOME LAND AND WE SPENT A GOD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MONEY FOR LAND BECAUSE LAND'S EXPENSIVE HERE, AND WE DID TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A LOT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD END UP SPENDING PROBABLY LESS THAN 28, 20 $2 MILLION. BUT IT'S STILL A LOT OF MONEY. DEFINITELY. IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL FOR LOOKING SO RIGHT THESE DAYS WHEN I GO TO THE OUT FOR A NICE STEAK, I, I MAYBE DON'T GET THE CHOICE THAT I USED TO GET OR THE SIZE OF STEAK THAT I USED TO GET BECAUSE THAT CHART OF THE PRICES GOING UP. AND SO I CHOOSE A SMALLER THIS, I, I MIGHT STILL GO OUT, BUT MAYBE I CHOOSE A CHEAPER CUT OF MEAT OR A SMALLER STEAK. COULD WE LOOK AT THIS GARAGE AND THINK ABOUT MAYBE WE BUILD TWO THIRDS OF IT INSTEAD OF ONE THIRD AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE SMART, WE WOULD SAY, BUT LET'S BUILD IT IN A WAY SO THAT SOME YEAR, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WE CAN PUT THAT THIRD LEVEL ON IT WHEN WE REALLY NEED IT. IS THAT POSSIBLE TO THINK ABOUT, UM, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT? FROM A DESIGN AND A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT? UM, WELL, THE, THE TRICKY THING IS THAT THERE'S CERTAIN MINIMUM COSTS THERE. WE'RE KIND OF HEMMED IN A BIT TOO. IF, IF WE LOOK AT THE COMMITMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE DON'T WANNA GO UP. AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT DOWN THE ROAD TO GO DOWN. AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR BIG MONEY IS WITH THE EXCAVATION. YOU KNOW, THE MONEY SAVER IF WE WERE TO TRY TO SCALE THIS DOWN WOULD BE TO, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE ONE OF THOSE HALF LEVELS, UH, ONE OF THOSE TIERS GO AWAY. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO EXCAVATE THAT AND DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD LOSE THAT QUANTITY OF PARKING AND, AND TO ADD IT BACK, WE'D HAVE TO GO UP HIGHER. YES. AND THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, OBJECTIONABLE RIGHT? UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN MANY WAYS. YES. YEAH. DOES ANYONE EVER THINK ABOUT BUILDING PARTIAL STRUCTURES AND, AND COMING BACK LATER AND WE DESIGN IT AND CONSTRUCTED IT IN A WAY WHERE IT'S READY TO DO THAT? YEAH, WE, WE'VE DONE THOSE STRUCTURES IN THE PAST MORE TOWARDS THE BUILDING SIDE OF THINGS WHERE WE CAN COR AND SHELL A LEVEL OR TWO AND POTENTIALLY COME BACK AND DO THE FED OUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE GARAGE AND THE UNIQUE, UH, SITE THAT WE HAVE, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE, OBVIOUSLY GOING BACK TO THIS CHART, THERE'S THAT ESCALATION PREMIUM THAT WE ARE GONNA BE SEEING 10 YEARS FROM NOW. SURE. THERE'S GONNA BE AN ADDED MOBILIZATION COST, UH, AN ADDED PREMIUM FROM OUR TRADE PARTNERS, UH, AND THE MANAGEMENT FEES. AND THEN ALSO WE CAN, LIKE JANSET CAN GO, UM, LEVEL DOWN, CAN BUILD A LEVEL UP. SO THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER CONSTRAINT. UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITY COSTS THAT WE SHOULD POTENTIALLY LOOK INTO AS WELL FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT. AND I WOULD ADD THAT IF, IF THAT'S, THAT PERHAPS MIGHT BE A SCENARIO IF YOU'RE NOT PLANNING TO UTILIZE THE GARAGE RIGHT AWAY, UM, CLEARLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO PARTIAL CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE, UM, WITH THE INTENT TO BUILD ONTO IT IN THE FUTURE, WELL, WHEN THAT COMES TIME TO PUT THAT ADDITION ON THAT PARKING GARAGE, UTILIZATION'S GONNA HAVE TO GO AWAY. . UM, WHAT, SO I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS REVENUE THERE WITH THAT PARK IN A CONSTRUCTION [03:30:01] ZONE. . YEAH, PETE, I GET THAT. PETE, PETE, I, I'M JUST GOING TO WANT TO CUT YOU OFF A LITTLE BIT HERE BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FALL A LITTLE BIT OF FOUL WHERE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WOULDN'T EVEN BE SUPPORTIVE OF GOING THE DIRECTION, AT LEAST THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING. IT'S GETTING LATE. WE STILL HAVE A NO WHOLE NOTHER LARGE ITEM TO GO. WELL, I HAVE ONE QUESTION LEFT. MAYOR, IF YOU CAN KEEP THAT SHORT, I APPRECIATE, BECAUSE BRIAN STILL HAS TO GO AND SURE. AND SO DOES HOLLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, I FEEL THAT I'M DOING THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS AND ASKING, I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT THERE IS NO SUPPORT FROM THE, I DON'T THINK, SUPPORT FOR THE COUNCIL. UH, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY BASIS FOR UNDERSTANDING THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA MOVE ON. UM, UH, YOU'VE PREPARED THIS FINAL BID. YOU'VE GOT A BID TEST AT 17,545, WHICH MEANS YOU WENT OUT TO ALL YOUR CONTRACTORS AND YOU UPDATED YOUR BIDS AND YOU'VE GOT A NUMBER. WHEN DOES EVERYTHING EXPIRE? SO, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ITEMS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH OUR TRADE PARTNERS IS THE VALIDITY OF THE COST. SO IT WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON THIS VERY COUNCIL MEETING. 'CAUSE UH, LIKE ANDY STARTED THE MEETING OFF, WE'VE ALREADY PUSHED THAT INITIAL COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, CAME UP WITH A COST OF 19.5. SO THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST TIME, UH, WHEN THE BIDS STARTED TO GET CLOSE TO THEIR EXPIRATION DATE. BUT WE REACHED OUT TO OUR LOW AND QUALIFIED TRADE PARTNERS AGAIN AND ASKED THEM TO, IF THEY CAN HOLD THEIR BID ADDITIONALLY FOR THE 60 DAYS. SO ESSENTIALLY, IF WE ADD UP ALL OF THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH WHERE THE BIDS WOULD POTENTIALLY EXPIRE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THAT MAYOR WAS MY FINAL QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THAT SHORT. I APPRECIATE IT, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL BE QUICK, UM, IN THE PACKET AS A FOR INSTANCE PACKET, PAGE TWO 11. AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THIS PAGE BY PAGE, BUT CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND, AND THIS IS COMING FROM THE SAME BASIS AS COUNSELOR FERMAN, THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE'S EXPENDITURES HERE. SO ON PACKET PAGE TWO 11, IT DETAILS OUT THE PLUMBING EXPENDITURES. AND MY QUESTION IS, AS I LOOK AT THIS, WHAT'S BUILT INTO THE UNIT PRICE? SO AS A, FOR INSTANCE, I SEE LABORATORIES LINE 84 0 5, WHAT, WHAT IS THE COST FOR THE LAVATORY THERE? IS IT JUST THE PRODUCT? IS THERE MORE TO IT THAN THAT? YEAH, AND I DON'T SEE THAT PAGE EXACTLY, BUT, UH, THAT'S AN ALL INCLUSIVE COST. SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR MATERIAL, UH, LABOR AND INSTALL ALONG WITH ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT. UH, I DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THAT BREAKOUT FOR WHAT THAT WOULD COST. OKAY. JUST FOR THAT LAVATORY. OKAY. SO, BUT I, I DO HAVE IT HERE. OKAY. RIGHT. SO A SINGLE WALL HUNG LAVATORY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE PART, THE LABOR AND ANY OTHER ANCILLARY INSTALLATION MATERIALS IS $3,781? THAT'S CORRECT. AND A URINAL IS $3,434 AND A TOILET IS $5,184. THAT'S CRAZY. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST PLAIN, FLAT OUT CRAZY. I CAN GO BUY A SLOAN VITREOUS CHINA WALL-HUNG LAVATORY FOR $89. HOW DO I GET FROM $89 TO 3,881 FOR LABOR? AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COUPLE OF FITTINGS LIKE, I DON'T GET IT. HELP ME OUT HERE. RIGHT. AND COUNCIL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE COST THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE MARKET AND WE'VE CONFIRMED THAT BY REACHING OUT TO MULTIPLE TRADE PARTNERS AND THAT, THAT BREAKOUT WOULD BE ALL OF YOUR FITTINGS, LIKE YOU SAID, ANY PLUMBING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THE FIXTURE ITSELF. UM, AND THEN THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE TRAVEL PREMIUMS AND ANY OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPETITIVE, UH, LACK OF COMPETITIVE BITS THAT HAVE WE BEGUN. SO, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT'S LESS COMPETITIVE, BUT THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, RIGHT? LIKE THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT GETS THE STEREOTYPICAL, OH, THE GOVERNMENT'S PAYING 500 BUCKS FOR A TOILET SEAT. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. LIKE, THAT'S CRAZY. CAN'T YOU DO BETTER? NO. AND, AND COUNSELOR, WE DID REACH OUT TO SOME OF THOSE CRITICAL TRADES, INCLUDING OUR ROCK X, WHICH WAS A BIG NUMBER, UH, ELECTRICAL, UH, MECHANICAL, BUT, AND THAT WAS REACHING OUT TO THE MARKET THE SECOND TIME. AND THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT NUMBER. THIS IS CALLED STICKING IT TO THE MAN, IF I EVER SAW IT. RIGHT? THIS IS, HEY, IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY, WHAT DO WE CARE? BUT WE DO CARE. SO [03:35:01] LIKE, AND I KNOW THAT OUT OF 23 MILLION, HEY, WHAT'S $2,346 TIMES TWO? YOU KNOW, LIKE, I GET IT, BUT THIS IS CRAZY. SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR. GOOD. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT, UH, COUNSELOR. AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. MAYOR, COULD I, IT'S THE WHOLE CATEGORY, BOB. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I MEAN, A HOT WATER, A 10 GALLON ELECTRIC HOT WATER HEATER FOR $4,576, LIKE, COME ON A HOSE BIB, $687. SERIOUSLY, IT'S CRAZY. TJ, WOULD YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE? SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS ESCALATE, LIKE WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY AND, AND THEY BECOME BEYOND WHAT YOU'VE PUT IN HERE. SO HOW DOES THAT LOOK OVERALL AS A PROJECT? IT MIGHT HELP. ABSOLUTELY. AND YEAH, AGAIN, AS ANDY MENTIONED, THESE ARE, THIS IS OUR GUARANTEED PRICE. THE PRICE OF THE PROJECT WILL NOT GO BEYOND THAT. AND SOME OF THOSE ITEMS YOU CAN WORK WITH THE WHAT COMFORT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET IN THAT? WELL, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? SO WHEN, WHEN YOU COMPLETE SOME OF THESE ITEMS AND YOU'RE SURPRISED THAT IT COMES IN CHEAPER THAN WHAT YOU HAD HERE, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT? FOR INSTANCE, A LOT OF THE TIMES, UH, THE SCOPE IS MISSED IS WHEN WE SEE, UH, PRICES COMING WAY BELOW AND WHAT ANDY SAID, AND THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE POINT IN TIME WHERE IT IS A HUGE RISK NOT ONLY TO THE CITY, BUT ALSO TO THE CITY RESIDENTS ON HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT COMING BACK TO THIS STAGE AGAIN, ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S BEEN OUR APPROACH ON MAKING SURE, AND WE'VE BEEN ABSOLUTELY TRANSPARENT WITH ALL THE BIDS. WE'VE ATTACHED IT TO THE GMP PACKET, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S BACKUP AND WE, WE CAN FURTHER LOOK INTO THAT, UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGEMENT ON PROVIDING EVEN FURTHER BACKUP AS NEEDED. IT SHOULDN'T TAKE ME POINTING IT OUT. IT'S NOT MY JOB, BUT IT'S SO OBVIOUS. SO ANYWAYS, THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, LET ME JUST ASK A QUESTION. I I, I, I CAN'T JUSTIFY THIS EITHER, AND THAT BOTHERED ME AS WELL, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT ARE THESE COMMERCIAL GRADE THAT WOULD BE MUCH HEAVIER, THICKER, BIGGER THAN A RESIDENTIAL THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, LESS MONEY? AND WOULD THAT BE ONE WAY TO EXCUSE OR EVEN EVEN EXPLAIN, THANK YOU. EXPLAIN THESE OUTRAGEOUS PRICES. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY, MAYOR. AND THEN WE, WE ALSO LOOKED AT ONE OF THE, OUR VA OPPORTUNITY WAS TO, YOU KNOW, SWITCH THE FIXTURES, WHICH WERE INITIALLY STAINLESS STEEL TO POTENTIALLY STANDARD FIXTURES. AND THAT DID SAVE US SOME COST. SO WE DID WENT THROUGH THAT WHOLE EXERCISE WITH ALL OF OUR SCOPES OF WORK TO IDENTIFY IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY, UH, OBVIOUSLY CLOSELY WORKING WITH, UH, GLA AND, AND THE CITY MANAGEMENT TO ENSURE THAT THIS WAS I, OKAY. I I GET IT. BUT $2,300 FROM MOP SINK FOR ONE. OKAY. I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE. YEAH, NO, I, I SAW THE SAME THING WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE PACK. UH, ANY ANYONE ELSE THAT HASN'T ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS? I, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE VICE MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S APART GOING ON. WE'RE PICKING APART SOMETHING. 'CAUSE WE ARE THE EXPERTS YEAH. ON THIS DAIS. WE KNOW HOW MUCH EVERYTHING SHOULD COST. EXACTLY. AND WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB. SO WE DON'T NEED YOU, WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS OURSELVES BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. HOME DEPOT. THAT'S IT. $500. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WE EITHER ARE GONNA SUPPORT THE STAFF OR NOT AND, OR WE'RE NOT. EXACTLY. SO WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? MOVE ON. I'M HOPING WE MOVE ON BECAUSE RIGHT. SO, UH, WE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FINAL, UH, WITH THIS ITEM. WE'RE GONNA, YOU ASK A QUESTION TO THAT? YES. TO THAT. YES, TO THAT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. SO IF WE MOVE ON TO THE, WHEN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, NOW ARE, AND BECAUSE WE'RE COMBINING DISCUSSION AT THE END AND COMMENTS, I'M STILL GONNA HAVE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. WILL I BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE BACK TO THE FIRST STUFF? YEAH. I, I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. I DON'T WANNA BOG US DOWN, BUT I DO WANT THE OPPORTUNITY. I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT, AND I HAVE COMMENTS SEPARATE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, SO LET, LET ME JUST ADD A A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF THESE COSTS AGAIN. SO, YEAH, IF YOU'RE TALKING JUST A, THE LABOR OR THE COST OF THE TOILET, YES, THAT'S, THAT'S ENORMOUS. BUT WHAT ELSE GOES INTO THAT PRICE? THERE'S, THERE'S THE LABOR, UH, THAT GOES INTO THAT PRICE, THAT LABOR IS FOUNDED ON SOMEBODY WHO'S, WHO'S RESIDING NEARBY IN SEDONA PAYING, UH, UH, A LARGE RENT. PERHAPS THERE'S A PER DIEM FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, [03:40:01] THAT LABOR, UH, STAYING, UH, ON THAT REMOTE SITE. UH, THERE'S OTHER COST FACTORS. CHIME IN, SEAN. UH, BESIDES JUST THE LABOR, THE LABOR COSTS, ET CETERA THAT GO INTO BUILDING THAT . BOB, I THINK THEY WERE READY TO MOVE ON, SIR. WE ARE. WE ARE. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOOD. SO WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. LET'S TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK. UH, 25 TO NINE. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? OR YOU WANT TO CONTINUE? I'D LIKE TO, WE NEED A BREAK. WHATEVER. OKAY. TAKE THE 20 MINUTES. OH, AS FAR AS POWER? 20 MINUTES. OKAY. WE'RE BACK ON. AND I WANNA PUT SOMETHING BEFORE COUNT. OH, WAIT TILL KATHY GETS HERE. OH, WHAT PAGE IS THIS HERE? 65. OKAY. YOU'RE HERE, KATHY. GOOD. SO, UM, [8.b. AB 3046 Discussion/possible direction regarding the Parking Garage Financing Plan.] I WANNA PUT THIS BEFORE COUNSEL. WE ORIGINALLY, WE WERE GOING TO MOVE THIS VOTE TILL AFTER THE, UH, THE BOND. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD. I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE NOW. MAYOR. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE NOW. I'LL CALL THE QUESTION. OKAY. AND WE DECIDE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH. RIGHT. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO PEOPLE OTHERWISE, WHY, WHY KEEP THESE PEOPLE HERE, RIGHT? WHY KEEP THE AUDIENCE HERE IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR THIS? I WILL MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE. UH, HANG ON A SECOND. SO I HAVE, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GARAGE ITSELF AS OPPOSED TO, WELL, WE HAD, I THOUGHT YOU WANTED, BUT THAT'S FINE. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW YOU THERE WERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE GARAGE OR, OR AT LEAST COMMENTS YOU HAD SOME OTHERS ALSO, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL GONE NOW. , RIGHT? THEY'RE IN THE BACK SITTING RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. SO, UM, HERE, WHO WOULD THE QUESTION BE DIRECTED TO, BOB? UM, WELL THESE ARE JUST SORT OF GENERAL COMMENTS AND SO, OKAY. SO WHY DON'T, IF ANYONE ON STAFF WANTS TO RESPOND OKAY. THEY SHOULD FEEL THAT'S FAIR. FREE TO GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, SMACK ME DOWN. THAT'D BE FINE. NO, NO, NO. BUT, UM, SO, SO JUST GENERALLY, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IN NOVEMBER WE, WE WERE INTERESTED IN SORT OF A MORE HOLISTIC PACKAGE AROUND THE OTHER QUESTIONS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, ANDY AT THE BEGINNING SAID, ALL THIS WILL HAPPEN WHEN WE HAVE A PARKING MANAGER AND SO ON AND SO ON. SO, FOR INSTANCE, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE FOR INSTANCES. THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM, WHATEVER THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM IS THAT IS SELECTED, MAY REQUIRE MORE SUPPORT THAT'S IN THE GARAGE FOR WIFI OR POWER OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THAN WE KNOW ABOUT, RIGHT? IT COULD REQUIRE MORE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAINTENANCE INSIDE OF, OF DISPATCH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE OR WILL BE. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM, BUT WE'LL HAVE BUILT THIS GARAGE AND SPENT ALL THIS MONEY, AND THEN WE NEED TO RETROFIT IT IN ORDER FOR US TO POTENTIALLY BUILD IN THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM, OR WE END UP LIMITING WHAT OUR DECISION IS ON THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM BASED ON WHAT FACILITIES WE HAVE AVAILABLE ALREADY IN THIS GARAGE WE JUST BUILT. SO THAT, THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY WAS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER. ANOTHER ONE IS, UM, IS THE EMPLOYEE PARKING. SO WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT EMPLOYEE PARKING OR HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK. WE TALK ABOUT EVERY SPACE IN THE GARAGE WILL HAVE A FEE, BUT I KEPT HEARING, AND I KEPT SEEING EMAILS THIS AFTERNOON, THAT BUSINESSES EXPECT US TO SOMEHOW EITHER BE SUBSIDIZING OR SOMEHOW PROVIDING EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THE GARAGE. AND THAT ISN'T MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS AROUND EMPLOYEE PARKING OR HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT WORK. SO I, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SETTING SOME EXPECTATIONS OR THERE'S EXPECTATIONS IN AT LEAST SOME SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH WE ARE GONNA DISAPPOINT THEM BECAUSE THAT ISN'T EVEN POTENTIALLY CLOSE TO WHAT WE WERE THINKING. LET FINISH TO YEAH, TO YOUR POINT, SHE, SHE WANTED YEAH. YES. GO AHEAD. TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S TIED IN WITH THE FINANCES AGAIN, BECAUSE YES, IF THERE'S SUBSIDIZED PARKING VERSUS WHAT WOULD A PAID PARKING SYSTEM BE? AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT REVENUE TO SUPPORT THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE GARAGE, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO UNTIE THESE ITEMS. SO THAT TO, TO YOUR POINT SPECIFICALLY, WELL, THAT'S HAVE, RIGHT, AND, AND TO BE TO THAT POINT, POINT IS, IS THE FACT THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO, TO PAY OFF THE GARAGE, IF WE'RE SUBSIDIZING SOMEBODY ELSE [03:45:01] WHO'S PAYING THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT, IS THE CITY ACTUALLY GONNA PAY IT? ARE WE GOING TO MAKE VISITORS PAY IT? THERE'S JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THAT. I BELIEVE THE GARAGE IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT I, I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON THE GARAGE AFTER WE'VE BUILT IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS YET. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT IT, AND ANDY IS DYING TO RESPOND. WELL, BEFORE ANDY RESPONDS, JESSICA, YOU HAVE TO SOMETHING ON, UH, WELL, I GUESS I HAVE MY BIGGEST, MY BIG THING IS THE CURVE PRICES ARE GONNA EXPIRE. THE BIDS WILL EXPIRE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. UM, THE FINANCING, WELL, MAYBE WE DO WHAT WE DON'T. MAYBE WE DO. MAYBE ANDY HAS THE ANSWERS. I DON'T THINK HE DOES. I DON'T THINK HE HAS THE ANSWERS TO THE EMPLOYEE PARKING OR ALL THE THINGS THAT THE, THAT THE PARKING MANAGER IS SUPPOSED TO DO. STAFF DOES NOT HAVE TIME TO DO THAT KIND OF WORK AND DO THAT INTENSIVE WORK. UM, UM, THEY CERTAINLY CAN HIRE SOMEONE AND WE CAN PUT OFF TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR YEARS AND PRICES WILL ONLY, WILL ONLY GET HIGHER. IF WE THINK ABOUT A GARAGE AS NEEDED, WE SHOULD BUILD THE GARAGE AND THINGS ARE NOT PERFECT. THINGS WILL CHANGE BY THE TIME THE GARAGE IS COMPLETED ANYWAY, AND THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED. UM, I, I JUST, I DON'T THINK, I THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE EITHER TO APPROVE THE GARAGE AND SEE WHAT THE PARKING MANAGER COMES UP WITH. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING MANAGER. UM, SO I THINK FOR ME, I THINK YOU EITHER APPROVE THE GARAGE OR YOU FORGET THE GARAGE. EVEN THOUGH THE GARAGE, WE ALL, EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL BOUGHT INTO THE LATEST STUDY THAT SAID WE NEEDED ONE OF THIS SIZE. AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS REALLY PUSH COMES TO SHOVE AT SOME POINT AND YOU HAVE TO WEIGH IS IT PERFECT? NO, BUT I WEIGHING, WEIGHING THE OPTIONS AND WEIGHING SOME UNKNOWNS AGAINST THE FACT OF A KNOWN NEED, WHICH WE'VE ALL ACKNOWLEDGED, AND A A KNOWN ENTITY OF COST, IT'S GOING TO GO UP 20, 25, 30%. UM, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE A NEED TO BE ANSWERED ARE WORTH THAT. SO, SO LET ME, LET ME RESPOND PLEASE, MR. MAYOR. SURE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OR SO I'D LIKE ANDY TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION. SO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT, IS NOT THE RELEVANT POINT HERE. THE RELEVANT POINT IS THAT WHEN WE ARE DONE, IS THIS COUNCIL GOING TO BE HAPPY KNOWING THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL EXPENSE COMING DOWN THE ROAD RELATED TO THE GARAGE IN POTENTIALITY? I'M JUST SAYING IT'S LIKE, GO INTO THIS WITH OUR EYES WIDE OPEN TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. WE ASKED TO HAVE A BIGGER, BROADER UNDERSTANDING BACK IN NOVEMBER. AT LEAST I REMEMBER. AND, AND ANDY TELLS ME I'M MISREMEMBERING. MM-HMM. . BUT THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE VOTE FOR THIS GARAGE, THIS $23 MILLION PROJECT, THERE'S A GREAT POSSIBILITY THAT EVERYONE'S GONNA BE COMING BACK TO US WHEN WE HAVE A PARKING MANAGER AND SAYING IT'S ANOTHER 10 MILLION, WHICH MIGHT HAVE ONLY COST US 5 MILLION IF WE'D DONE IT AT THE TIME. SO LONG AS EVERYONE IS JUST AWARE OF THAT. WELL, I THINK, AND I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT JUST BECAUSE SAYING A HIGH POSSIBILITY. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT COMES FROM, WHY YOU WOULD THINK THERE WAS A HIGH POSSIBILITY OF THAT HAPPENING. I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY OF THINGS CHANGING AND OF, OF, OF, OF THINGS NEEDING TO BE DONE. BUT TO ASSUME THAT, THAT A VOTE FOR THIS IS A VOTE FOR ANOTHER $10 MILLION NEXT YEAR TO GO INTO THE GARAGE, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S BASED ON ANYTHING. THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING MAY HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED IN THE FUTURE, IT MAY COST SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, WILL IS OF COURSE ALWAYS POSSIBLE. AND THE COUNCIL WILL DEAL WITH THAT. WHEN IT HAPPENS, EVERYTHING CHANGES. EVERY ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS CHANGE. EVERYTHING WE DO CHANGES AND WE MAKE BUDGETARY ADJUSTMENTS TO DEAL WITH THOSE CHANGES AND MAKE DECISIONS TO DEAL WITH THOSE CHANGES. I DON'T THINK THIS IS ANY DIFFERENT. ANDY, CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WITHOUT HAVING THE PARKING MANAGER ON STAFF? [03:50:01] YEAH. SO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED WITH THE GARAGE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDES ACCOUNTING FOR WHAT WE NEED TO, TO ACCOMMODATE A GUIDANCE SYSTEM THAT THAT IS DONE. UM, WHAT WE NEED THE PARKING MANAGER TO LOOK INTO IS WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE CITYWIDE. BUT WE'VE MADE SURE THAT IN OUR DESIGN WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR WHAT WE NEED TO WITH RESPECT TO EMPLOYEE PARKING. WE KNOW NOW THAT THE GARAGE WILL BE FEE PAY. WE KNOW IT WILL LIKELY BE AT LEAST THE FEE THAT WE'RE CHARGING ON HIGHWAY FRONTAGE NOW, OR MORE, AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE IS NOT AN EMPLOYEE PARKING PROBLEM ALONG THE HIGHWAY, FRONTAGE PARKING NOW. AND WE CAN FURTHER INCENTIVIZE THOSE EMPLOYEES TO PARK WHERE WE ARE OKAY. WITH THEM PARKING AND NOT PARK WHERE WE DON'T WANT THEM TO. SO THAT WE KNOW, WE KNOW WE CAN CONTROL THAT. UM, AND AS FAR AS THE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BOND, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DIVE INTO THAT DEEP. SO I, I THINK THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, KATHY. SO, TO COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON'S QUESTION IS, UH, WHAT'S THAT WAS DO WE THINK A GARAGE? OH, I'M SORRY. NO, NO. OH, OKAY. UH, WERE, UH, DO WE THINK A GARAGE IS NECESSARY OR NOT? IS A QUESTION. AND AFTER THE LAST PRESENT, AND FIRST OF ALL, I, I WANNA COMPLIMENT THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. MM-HMM. BECAUSE IT WAS EXCELLENT, AS WAS THE LAST PRESENTATION THAT YOU GAVE WHERE WE GAVE YOU THE DIRECTION TO GO FORWARD TO BRING US TO TONIGHT. SO, AND, AND BOTH OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS, OUR COMPELLING IN THEIR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NECESSITY TO ADDRESS PARKING, LACK OF PARKING IN UPTOWN, AND WHAT THAT WILL BE GOING ON. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I, WHILE WE'VE BEEN IN THIS MEETING TONIGHT, WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED OUR POLICE REPORT FOR THE DAY, WHICH WE GET TWO OF THEM A DAY. RIGHT? AND ON TODAY'S ONLY, THERE WERE 11 PARKING CITATIONS IN UPTOWN ALONE, ONLY UPTOWN 11 AND EVERY DAY, OKAY? MOST DAYS THAT I READ MY POLICE REPORT, THERE ARE PARKING CITATIONS ISSUED IN UPTOWN. THERE IS A PARKING PROBLEM IN UPTOWN. SO IT, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND WALK OUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND MOVE ON. ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS IT OR NOT? IS THE GERMANE QUESTION? THE FIRST GERMANE QUESTION? THE SECOND GERMANE QUESTION TO ME WAS BEFORE I HAD THE DATA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, WHEN WE GAVE THE DIRECTION AND WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA BE LOOKING AT A NUMBER THAT WAS GROSSLY INFLATED OVER THE, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS YEARS ESTIMATES, I DIDN'T HAVE THE DATA. SO I HAD TO ARBITRARILY PICK A NUMBER THAT SAID, OKAY, IF IT EXCEEDS THIS, IT'S OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO ASTRONOMICAL. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT BURDEN OUR COMMUNITY WITH, RIGHT? WITH SPENDING THOSE KIND OF DOLLARS, WELL, THIS CAME IN UNDER THAT NUMBER FOR ME. SO THAT LEADS ME BACK AT THE POINT, AND AGAIN, IT WAS AN ARBITRARY NUMBER BASED ON NOTHING, NO INFORMATION, BUT JUST WHAT'S PALATABLE, WHAT'S NOT. SO WE'RE BACK TO THE POINT OF, I DON'T KNOW IF OTHERS HAVE HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION, BUT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IF THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE AT, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD OR NOT. UM, WHICH BRINGS US TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION, IS IF THIS IS THE NUMBER AND WE'RE GOING FOR IT, IS HOW DO WE GET THERE? WHICH IS, AGAIN, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEPARATE THESE, THESE QUESTIONS. UM, BUT I DID WANNA GET THAT OUT THERE ABOUT THE PARKING CITATIONS BECAUSE I THINK, AGAIN, IT'S JUST DOCUMENTATION THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED SOMEHOW AND THAT KEEPS GETTING LOST IN SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES. SO I PUT THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, FOR ME, THESE TWO I LIKE ALMOST, UH, IN A WAY, COUNCILOR KINSELLA JUST SAID, THESE TWO ITEMS ARE TIED TO THE HIP AT, AT THE HIP WITH ME. AND SO THE IDEA OF, UH, OF ME TRYING TO VOTE ON THE CONTRACT NOW AND THEN TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA FI NOT SO MUCH FINANCE IT, BUT PAY FOR IT IS REALLY WHERE ALL MY QUESTIONS ARE, IS WHAT IS THE MODEL THAT WE'VE GOT BUILT INTO THE PLAN HERE ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA PAY THIS THING. AND, AND SO I, I THINK UNLIKE COUNSELOR KINSELLA, MY MYTHICAL NUMBER WAS PROBABLY EXCEEDED, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT RIGHT. YOU ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE FACTS ON THE GROUND, BUT NONETHELESS, RIGHT, AT SOME, AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DIFFERENT DECISION ABOUT WHAT YOU, RIGHT. SOMETIMES IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. SOME PEOPLE COME TO TOWN. WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT COME TO TOWN AND DECIDE THEY HAVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE AND YOU JUST CAN'T ALWAYS DO WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA DO. AND BUILDING THE GARAGE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS, BUT FOR ME IT'S, ARE WE PAYING FOR THIS THING IN A WAY WITH A MODEL THAT, AND I'VE GOT QUESTIONS FOR OUR STAFF ABOUT THE MODEL THAT WE'VE USED AND HOW WE'RE [03:55:01] GONNA FIND PAY FOR THIS THING, AND IS IT REALISTIC? AND IF IT'S NOT REALISTIC AND THE GENERAL FUND IS GONNA END UP CARRYING SOME OF THE LOAD ON THIS THING, THAT MIGHT AGAIN, PUSH ME OVER THE LIMIT ON THIS THING. SO I CAN'T SEPARATE THESE TWO THINGS. MAYOR, I CAN'T VOTE. I CAN'T VOTE FOR THE COST OF THE GARAGE NOW BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCING. THANKS MAYOR. I DON'T WANNA SIT THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION FOR THE NEXT HOUR OR TWO IF WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD. MM-HMM, . SO I WANNA HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE YOU'VE, WE'VE ACCUSED OUR, UM, OUR CMAR OF CHEATING US. SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND I REALLY APOLOGIZE FOR IT. UH, SO MAYBE WE DON'T WANNA GO WITH THEM STEALING OUR MONEY. STEALING OUR MONEY, CORRECT. UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING US INFLATED PRICES, CHEATING AND ALL OF THAT. SO I WANNA KNOW IF WE ARE COMFORTABLE. I AGREE. I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FINANCING AND I WILL NOT APPROVE A PROJECT THAT COME, THAT GENERAL FUND HAS TO SUPPORT, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'VE CHEATED US. SO I'M WILLING TO TAKE THE SEYMOUR CONTRACT. WE DON'T, I JUST WANNA KNOW, ARE YOU ALL GONNA VOTE FOR IT IF THE FINANCING, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF HOURS. IF THE, IF YOU, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO ISSUES FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. THERE'S THE TRUST AND FAITH IN THIS CONTRACTOR, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE. SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF WE HAVE IT OR WE DON'T HAVE IT. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE IT, THEN THERE'S NO POINT IN TALKING ABOUT FINANCING 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PROJECT, RIGHT? SO YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR VOTE. IT'S NOT A, IT'S A THUMBS UP KIND OF THING AS OPPOSED TO AN ACTUAL VOTE. BUT I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE. WELL, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF A VOTE. WELL, THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR KURT. WE HAVE TO DECIDE, KURT. KURT, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO A STRAW POLL UP HERE ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD PROCEED GOING FORWARD? OR CAN WE DO THAT THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN THING, YOU KNOW, JUST SAY YES, WE SHOULD GO ON TO THE NEXT STAGE OF QUESTION. OR CAN YOU GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE? YEAH, SO COUNCILOR, UM, COUNCIL MAYOR AND, UH, COUNCILOR COUNCIL, YOU CAN DO EITHER, UH, THERE'S NO PROHIBITION ON TROPEL OR A OKAY. AT THIS POINT. UH, YOU CAN ALSO JUST DO THUMBS UP, UM, AS TO WHETHER YOU SUPPORT THE PROJECT AT THIS POINT. ALTERNATIVELY, THERE WAS EARLIER A, UH, SOMEONE CALLED THE QUESTION AND WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION. THAT'S RIGHT. I DID. SO I, I CALLED THE QUESTION, RIGHT? AND SO THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED AT SOME POINT. IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO DO FURTHER DISCUSSION. AND SO, UH, THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT MOTION'S OUT THERE, THERE. I DIDN'T HEAR A SECOND ON THAT. BUT IF THERE'S NO SECOND, THEN THAT WOULD DIE. UM, IF THERE IS A SECOND, UM, THEN IT WOULD GO TO A VOTE RIGHT NOW ON THE CMAR ISSUE OR, OR WHATEVER THE MOTION WAS. THE MOTION WASN'T COMPLETED. I WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE THE QUESTION CALLED. I WOULD RATHER DO A STRAW POLL TO GET US IN A MORE HAS COLLEGIAL WAY. HAS THE CALL, THE QUESTION'S ALREADY BEEN CALLED AND THERE NO, IT WASN'T SECONDED. ARE YOU THE SECOND? SO IT HAS NOT BEEN, AND IT, AND IT WASN'T A COMPLETED MOTION. THERE WAS DEBATE AND DISCUSSION BEFORE THEN, BUT IT, IT, IT CAN BE COMPLETED AT THIS TIME. SO MAYOR, WHENEVER CONVENIENT, I'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN. GO FOR IT. THANK YOU. SO, UM, VICE MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU THINK IS CALLING SOMEBODY LIAR'S, CHEATS AND THIEVES, BUT IT WASN'T ME. IT WAS YOU. NO, YOU, NOW YOU'RE THE ONE THAT WAS ON MY CASE LAST TIME ABOUT MAKING ACCUSATIONS. NOW YOU ARE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO ME, WHAT I SAID WAS THAT THOSE PRICES ARE EGREGIOUS. OKAY. THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA GO WORK ON THEM. I CAN ACCEPT THAT. OKAY, SO FOR WHERE I AM ON THIS, LIKE, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE NOVEMBER PRESENTATION ON THIS TODAY TO REMIND MYSELF WHY I SUPPORTED THE PROJECT AT THE TIME. AND I STILL DO FOR THE REASONS THAT WERE STATED IN THE NOVEMBER PRESENTATION. SO I DO SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GARAGE. I DO NOT LIKE THE PRICE THAT IT'S AT, BUT I WILL SUPPORT IT HOWEVER IT IS. AS COUNCILOR FURMAN VERY WELL STATED, IT IS INEXTRICABLY LINKED TO HOW IT GETS PAID FOR. AND I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED THUS FAR OF HOW IT GETS PAID FOR. SO IF THIS GOES TO A MOTION, WRITE THIS VERY MINUTE TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THE GARAGE, THEN I AM A NO WITHOUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE PAY FOR IT FIRST. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. MAYOR, IF I MAY, YES, PETE, THANK YOU. I I'M GONNA ADD IN HERE TOO. WE SHOULD LISTEN BACK BECAUSE NONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE ASKED TODAY WERE INTENDED THIS CAN HAPPEN. I'M SORRY YOU'RE NOT BEING HEARD BECAUSE THERE'S CROSS DISCUSSION ON THE DIAL. OKAY, COUNSEL, I'M SORRY, PETE, GO AHEAD. NONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED TODAY. I INTENDED TO BE CONSTRUED BY ANYBODY [04:00:01] AS CALLING OUR CONTRACTORS CHEATS OR LIARS OR THIEVES, RIGHT? SOMETIMES YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE AND WHEN YOU GET THE PRICE FOR IT, YOU JUST CAN'T TOLERATE IT. AND MY QUESTIONS, WERE TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHERE DOES THAT PRICING COME FROM? JUSTIFY IT TO ME. AND IT WASN'T THAT I WAS CALLING ANYONE TO CHEAT AND A LIAR, SO I HOPE YOU WEREN'T LOOKING AT ME WITH THAT COMMENT EITHER. VICE MAYOR, I'M NOT DONE. FINE. I SUGGEST YOU ALL LISTEN TO WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE THE BREAK AND THEN YOU'LL HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. WELL, NONETHELESS, MY COMMENTS WERE, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWN AND BEING A FISCAL STEWARD OF PROJECTS THAT WE CONTRACT OUT AND GETTING A GOOD JUSTIFICATION FOR, UH, THIS PRICING. NOBODY'S HAPPY WITH THIS NUMBER AND MANY, RIGHT? SOMETIMES YOU DO WALK AWAY FROM PROJECTS AND I'M ALMOST THERE. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. DO I HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT MCCARTHY AS A, AS A GENERAL, AS OUR CONTRACT? CMAR? THANK YOU, MAYOR. NO, I, I DON'T, I'VE HEARD MANY GOOD THINGS ABOUT MCCARTHY AS A CONTRACTOR, RIGHT? I, I'D KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS PRICE. THEY CERTAINLY WILL BECAUSE I, I THINK IT IS VALUABLE TO THEM AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY CAME UP HERE TONIGHT, BECAUSE THEY WANT THE JOB AND THEY'RE NOT AT RISK LOSING MONEY. SO TO ME IT'S, IT'S A DECISION ABOUT THIS PRICE AND WHETHER IT'S TIME FOR US TO THINK ABOUT A LESSER PROJECT OR NOT. AND I'M NOT THERE EITHER. THIS IS THE PROJECT. IT'S NOT EVER GONNA GET CHEAPER IN THE FUTURE. NO, IT'S NOT. BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT. AND I CAN'T APPROVE A CONTRACT AND THEN TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT. 'CAUSE IF WE CAN'T PAY FOR IT, AND WE'RE NOT ALL CLEAR, NOT ALL OF US, ALL OF OUR STAFF AND ALL OF THE BUSINESSES AND THE RESIDENTS IN THIS TOWN, IF WE'RE NOT CLEAR ABOUT HOW THIS THING IS GONNA BE PAID FOR, THEN I'M NOT GONNA VOTE FOR THE CONTRACT. SO, KATHY MAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. MAY I SUGGEST THAT I THINK FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF US IS THAT THERE DOES SEEM TO BE INTEREST IN MOVING AHEAD WITH THE PROJECT. SO WE HAVE THE ANSWER TO OUR QUESTION. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I NEED. SO, RIGHT. I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION. MM-HMM. TO CALL THE QUESTION. IS THAT LEGAL? KURT? NO, IT'S NOT FOR YOU TO WITHDRAW. IT'S FOR ME. OKAY. I MADE THE MOTION. SO YOU, YOU MADE WAS IT EVER SECONDED? IT WAS NEVER SECONDED. IT WAS NEVER SECONDED. SO IT DIES. SO THEN IT DIES. OKAY. WE'LL LET IT DIE. AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD. AND IT IS NOT A PRECONCEIVED IDEA TO KILL IT NOW. 'CAUSE WE JUST, IF WE'RE GONNA KILL IT NOW, WE, WE COULD KILL IT. AS OPPOSED TO WAITING AND KEEPING ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE P****D. WELL, I, I LOOK AT POOR CUR YOU'S SITTING THERE. HE'S JUST FALLING ASLEEP. SO, SO LET'S MOVE ON. UH, BOB, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA NEED YOU. UH UH, MELISSA, WAS YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED AT LEAST FOR, FOR YES. I, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS YET AND THEREFORE THIS COULD BECOME AN EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE PROJECT. I GET IT. HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF A GARAGE. IT MEANT THAT JUST KEEP OUR, JUST BE AWARE. OKAY. LOOKING, I'M LOOKING OUT THE AUDIENCE AND I'M SEEING PAIN ON PEOPLE'S FACES. AND POOR JESSE. HE LEFT. WELL, ALRIGHT. HE'S ALRIGHT. BUT THERE'S MARK. WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR CARD IN ABOUT, WELL, WHENEVER. OKAY. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. ALRIGHT, GENTLEMEN, SORRY TO PUT YOU THROUGH THAT, UH, AND KEEP YOU HERE SO LONG. UH, ANNETTE, DO YOU WANNA PRESENT? YES. UM, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST GET THE, THIS PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION KICKED OFF. AND I ALSO WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE OUR INTERIM FINANCE DIRECTOR TO YOU WHO IS ONLINE WITH US TONIGHT STILL. SO, HOPEFULLY STILL, I THINK SO. SHE DIDN'T DROP OFF. I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE'S ON THERE. SHE'S JUST A VERY TINY SQUARE. SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S SOME WAY TO SEE HER IF SHE SPEAKS UP. UM, THIS IS JEAN MCGANN. SHE'S A CPA AND AN EXPERT IN MUNICIPAL FINANCE WHO IS HELPING US OUT WHILE WE'RE IN THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS FOR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR. AND SHE HAS HELPED ADVISE, UM, FINANCE STAFF, UH, ANDY AND MYSELF ON THE OPTIONS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET TONIGHT AND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS. AND SO, UM, I THINK I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HER TO QUICKLY INTRODUCE HERSELF AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS. AND THEN MR. REER, WHO I BELIEVE YOU'VE ALL WORKED WITH [04:05:01] BEFORE, HAS A PRESENTATION FOR YOU ON OUR OPTIONS FOR HOW TO FINANCE THE PARKING GARAGE. SO JEAN, DID YOU WANNA SAY A QUICK FEW WORDS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY? ABSOLUTELY. WELL, GOOD EVENING IS VANESSA. MY NAME IS JEAN AGAIN AND I AM A CK. AND I'VE, UM, BEEN ENJOYING MY TIME, UH, WORKING WITH THE CITY AS, AND OF COURSE WITH ALL THE FINANCE STAFF. SO WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, UH, THE PARKING GARAGE AND LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS OPTIONS. AND TONIGHT THERE WILL BE A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS PRESENTED TO YOU. UM, ONE, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, FULL BINDING WITH 2024 BONDS. AND THEN ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, LOOKING AT THE REMAINING PROCEEDS FROM THE 2022 BONDS, ISSUING A 2024 BOND, AND THEN ALSO REDUCING THE OVERALL BOND SIZE ITSELF. UM, NOW THERE IS A PRESENTATION, UH, THAT, UH, WILL BE GIVEN AND OF COURSE WE'RE HAPPY TO ADDRESS, UH, ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS, UH, AS THE PRESENTATION IS DONE HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. MARK REEDER WITH STEVE. OH, THIS IS MY COLLEAGUE, JACK LEPER. UM, I THINK AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER OR TWO. I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH THE CITY OVER THE, OVER THE LAST MANY YEARS FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN THE CITY HAS MADE A DECISION TO GO INTO THE BOND MARKET AND SELL BONDS FOR A CAPITAL PROJECT. AND THE LAST ONE WE DID, I THINK WAS IN DECEMBER OF 23 FOR THE LAND ACQUISITION, IF YOU RECALL, THE 41 ACRES. SO WE KNOW YOU TAKE, UH, THE DECISION TO ISSUE DEBT EXTREMELY SERIOUS. AND I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH SOME, UH, I'M GONNA GO KIND OF QUICK 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG NIGHT AND WALK YOU THROUGH SOME GOOD SLIDES HERE THAT I HOPE IS HELPFUL TO YOU. OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT ON, ON THE FINANCING. THESE ARE JUST SOME OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. AND IF, IF ONE OF THEM IS SELECTED, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT A LATER POINT TO GO AHEAD AND START THE FINANCING PROCESS. OKAY. SO I'LL TAKE YOU HERE. WE THOUGHT WE WOULD START, UH, WITH REALLY WHAT ARE SOME OF OUR PUBLIC POLICY OBJECTIVES. AND, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WORKING WITH STAFF OVER THE PAST, UH, YOU KNOW, SIX WEEKS OR SO AS WE'VE, UH, WE'RE ASKED TO COME BACK IN THE ROOM, UH, THAT, THAT OUR POLICIES INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, A PARKING GARAGE, A DOWNTOWN PARKING GARAGE, THAT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT WILL BE DESIGNED FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT, UH, SUCH THAT THE PARKING USER FEES OF THE 270 SPACES, UH, WOULD PROVIDE SUFFICIENT REVENUES TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE BONDS. I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH HERE IN A MOMENT BASED ON 23 MILLION AT THE MOMENT, UM, AND TO PAY SOME MAINTENANCE AND OPERATING EXPENSES. SO WORKING WITH STAFF, WE HAVE SOME NUMBERS THAT WILL SHOW YOU HERE IN A MOMENT, UM, THAT WE HOPE ARE HELPFUL. OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T HAVE A PARKING, UH, GARAGE MANAGER. WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF. WE HAVE SOME ESTIMATED REVENUES. OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS A LONGER TERM FORECAST IN THE COMING BUDGET SEASON. AND ALL THESE NUMBERS WILL PROBABLY BE FINE TUNED, BUT JUST BASED ON OUR, OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STAFF, WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME REVENUES, UH, HOW WOULD WE STRUCTURE A DEBT, A DEBT PAYMENT ON THE PARKING GARAGE. AND WE'RE GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THAT HERE IN A MOMENT AND SEE IF WE CAN MATCH ALL THAT UP FOR YOU. ANOTHER ONE OF OUR GOALS, OF COURSE, IS TO ALWAYS SECURE THE LOWEST INTEREST RATE POSSIBLE FOR THE CITY. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB IN THE PAST ON THAT, AND WE WILL BE FOCUSED IF WE END UP MOVING FORWARD. UH, NUMBER FIVE, SOMEBODY MENTIONED GRANTS. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL MONEY OUT THERE. WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT ON THIS, THIS EVENING FOR SOME POTENTIAL SOLAR, IF SOLAR'S GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT, WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. UNDER THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL GRANT MONEY FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS THAT HAVE A SOLAR COMPONENT TO IT. SO WE WILL, UH, CONTINUE TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SINCE YOU'RE AWARDING A CMAR OR POTENTIALLY GONNA AWARD A CMAR, UH, IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, UH, IT'S BEEN OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD MOVE THE FINANCING, UH, EXPEDITIOUSLY. SO THOSE ARE REALLY FIVE OR SIX PUBLIC POLICY, UH, OBJECTIVES THAT WE PUT HERE ON THE SLIDE. UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, I KNOW COUNSEL HAS SEEN THIS BEFORE. UH, WHAT IS THE DEBT PROFILE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA? YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. ALL IN ALL OF, OF TRYING TO STAY OUTTA DEBT. UH, YOU CAN SEE YOUR DEBT'S AT VERY LOW COST OF CAPITAL BELOW 2% ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. AND THEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, OF COURSE, WE DID [04:10:01] A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT FINANCING FOR YOUR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, A VERY MUCH NEEDED. AND THEN IN DECEMBER OF 22, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE WERE ASKED TO HELP TO ACQUIRE THE 41 ACRE. SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT $42 MILLION IN PRINCIPLE. OUTSTANDING, UH, GENERAL FUND SUPPORTED. OKAY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, UH, ON THAT. AND LITTLE BIT OF GOOD NEWS HERE. AS A REMINDER, YOU'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF DEBT COMING OFF THE BOOKS BECAUSE WE HAD THOSE EARLIER BOND SALES I JUST SHARED WITH YOU THERE. THE PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS ARE COMING OFF THE BOOKS. SO FOR BUDGET, YEAR 24, 25, AGAIN, GENERAL FUND AND FOR BUDGET, YEAR 25, 26, YOU CAN SEE YOUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS ARE A LITTLE NORTH OF 7 MILLION. OKAY? THEN IN 20 AND 27 YOU CAN SEE IT DROPS SIGNIFICANTLY. SO, UH, THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR YOUR GENERAL FUND AND, UM, UH, WITH THAT REDUCTION. SO WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE, UM, UH, THE DEBT PROFILE AND THE DEBT STRUCTURE, UH, OF THE CITY. UH, AS FAR AS OUR BUDGET OR WHAT WE CALL OUR SOURCES AND USES OF FUNDS, THESE NUMBERS WILL LOOK FAMILIAR. I'M GONNA TAKE YOU DOWN BELOW TO THE USES SIDE AND WE PUT IN 23 MILLION. UH, IT'S 22,687. LET'S JUST GO WITH 23 MILLION. NOW, DOWN BELOW, UH, WE DO HAVE, WHEN WE DO BOND ISSUES, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME PROFESSIONAL FEES. WE'RE ESTIMATING THOSE AS IS AS AS, UH, AS INDICATED. UM, A QUESTION WAS ASKED EARLIER TONIGHT, WHAT OTHER INVESTMENT DOES THE CITY HAVE IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING GARAGE? SO, UH, STAFF GAVE US IN THE BLUE, IF YOU GO DOWN BELOW, THERE'S LAND ACQUISITION AND RELATED COSTS OF ABOUT 900,000. AND OF COURSE, ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN COSTS OF ABOUT 1.1 MILLION. SO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, AND I KNOW THAT STAFF ANSWERED IT FOR YOU, LET'S, LET'S ROUND UP, YOU GOT ABOUT A $2 MILLION INVESTMENT IN THE PARKING GARAGE THUS FAR, OKAY? AND IF YOU WANT TO BE REIMBURSED, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD AND IF THE CITY WANTS TO BE REIMBURSED FOR SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES, THEN WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE FINANCING. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU, DO NOT REFLECT THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO BE REIMBURSED FOR YOUR INVESTMENT THUS FAR. OKAY? UM, ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? WHY DON'T I PAUSE THERE FOR A MOMENT? I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL BACKGROUND OF THE DEBT PROFILE, KIND OF WHAT THE BUDGET IS ON A BOND ISSUE, AND HOW MUCH MONEY OF COURSE YOU HAVE INVESTED THUS FAR AS FAR AS THE MARKET IS CONCERNED. I'M GONNA MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY HERE. JACK AND I ARE GONNA SHOW YOU SOME NUMBERS. UH, IF WE DO A, A BOND FINANCING FOR YOU, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE FOUR AND A HALF TO 5%. WE'RE GONNA USE 4 65 FOR OUR PRESENTATIONS. ALL GOOD. THE MUNICIPAL MARKET HAS RISEN, AS YOU KNOW, THE MORTGAGE MARKET HAS RISEN AND INFLATION HAS BEEN STICKY AND HAS BEEN KEEPING RATES UP A LITTLE BIT. BUT I WOULD SAY IF WE CAN BORROW AT FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE, HOPEFULLY THE FOURS, THEN ALL IN ALL, HISTORICALLY, WE'RE STILL AN ALL IN ALL A DECENT, UH, BOND MARKET. SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO MOVE HERE QUICKLY AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO ANY ONE OF THESE SLIDES. THIS ONE'S VERY BUSY. I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THIS. THIS IS MORE OF A, UH, AN INTEREST RATE ESTIMATE, UH, FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, AND TO GIVE OUR, OUR COUNCIL JUST A REMINDER, IF WE PROCEED WITH A FINANCING AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST, IT'S A RELATIVE RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS. IT'S COMMON FOR ALL OF OUR CITIES TO DO THAT. WHEREIN YOU WOULD PLEDGE THE REVENUES ON THIS PAGE. THESE ARE YOUR REVENUES THAT WE WOULD PLEDGE TOWARDS A FINANCING THAT PROVIDES SIGNIFICANT SECURITY TO A BOND HOLDER OR TO AN INVESTOR. AND I WANTED TO SHARE, UH, THE OF REVENUES THAT YOU HAVE THERE. AND OF COURSE, LARGELY DRIVEN BY THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE CITY, WHICH IS YOUR LOCAL CITY SALES TAX. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT 'EM LEFT TO RIGHT, YOU'VE HAD BEEN VERY BLESSED AND HAVE SUBSTANTIAL AT ABOUT 28 TO $30 MILLION THERE ROUNDED NUMBERS UP ON TOP SO THAT THOSE ARE PLEDGED REVENUES. OKAY? THAT HELPS US GET THAT LOWER INTEREST RATE. OKAY, SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT BUSY HERE, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE OUR 40 MILLION IN REVENUES IN COLUMN TWO. WE SIZED THE $23.4 MILLION BOND ISSUE. THIS ASSUMES THAT YOU WOULD, UH, PAY ALL THE CAPITAL COSTS OF THIS PARKING GARAGE IN A 2024 BOND ISSUE TO PAY FOR ALL THE COSTS THAT WE JUST WENT OVER. ALL GOOD. MM-HMM, . AND, UM, AND SO WE'RE ESTIMATING THERE. WE GOT YOUR CURRENT DEBT AND COLUMN THREE, WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 1,000,005 THERE [04:15:01] IN COLUMN SIX ANNUAL PAYMENTS. AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA THROW SOME INTEREST PAYMENTS IN HERE. BEAR WITH ME. SO THIS IS A GOOD TABLE THAT SHOWS YOUR EXISTING DEBT. AND THIS IS A GOOD TABLE THAT SHOWS KIND OF A PRO FORMA ESTIMATED INTEREST RATE IF WE FUND THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, IN ITS ENTIRETY, OKAY? AT 23 4, WHICH WAS THE $23 MILLION BUDGET AND THE ESTIMATED COSTS. OKAY, SO LET'S, LET'S GO TO THIS SLIDE HERE. PARKING GARAGE REVENUES. AND I THINK ANDY AND STAFF CAN HELP ME WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT. BUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK WITH STAFF, WE, WE ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS. WE'RE NOT PARKING, PARKING LOT REVENUE EXPERTS, I THINK, AS YOU KNOW, AND STAFF IS INDICATING IN COLUMN TWO THERE THAT, AND IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU SET YOUR PARKING GARAGE ONCE AND CHARGES OBVIOUSLY. BUT AT TWO 50 AND, UH, TWO, $2 AND 50 CENTS PER HOUR. AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT'S THE FEE. IT COULD BE MORE OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THIS IS WHERE COUNSEL WILL MAKE A POLICY DECISION. UM, THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD GENERATE SOMEWHERE AROUND 1,000,780 AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE SECOND YEAR THERE, ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED. WE HAVE A PARTIAL YEAR IN 25, 26 AT ABOUT 1,000,004, DEPENDING UPON WHEN THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE FINISHED OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND REVENUES BEING COLLECTED DOWNTOWN THERE. SO LET'S, LET'S JUST USE 1,000,780 FOR NOW AT AT FULL REVENUE STREAM. WE TALKED A FAIR AMOUNT ABOUT EXPENSES, UH, BECAUSE WE KNOW ONE OF THE POLICY OBJECTIVES WOULD BE FOR THE TOWN, UH, TO, TO PAY FOR THE OPERATING EXPENSES. AND WE KNOW THIS IS A MOVING NUMBER, A LITTLE BIT, BUT STAFF IS SUGGESTING SOMEWHERE AROUND $120,000 PER YEAR THAT COULD CHANGE UP AND DOWN AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. SO IN COLUMN FOUR, THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH ABOUT 1,000,006 60 IN COLUMN FOUR, AFTER WE PAY OUR OPERATING EXPENSES TO KIND OF GET A CASHFLOW NUMBER IN COLUMN FOUR THERE OF 1,000,660, I THEN COMPARE THAT TO THE $23.4 MILLION REVENUE BOND. CITY OF SEDONA AA MINUS RATED, AA RATED AT 4.65% ESTIMATED. BEAR WITH US ON THIS. JACK AND I ARE ESTIMATING NOW, WE DID A 30 YEAR AMORTIZATION HERE. YOU DON'T NEED TO GO 30, YOU CAN GO 25, YOU CAN GO 20. WE TALKED ABOUT THE AVERAGE LIFE OF A PARKING GARAGE. THEY LAST 50 YEARS. THE AVERAGE LIFE OF A 30 YEAR LEVEL DEBT SERVICE BOND ISSUE IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 19 YEARS. 'CAUSE YOU'RE PAYING DOWN PRINCIPLE EACH YEAR. OKAY? SO THAT WOULD LEAVE, UH, THE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM AND THIS WOULD BE SET UP AS AN ENTERPRISE BUSINESS. LIKE YOUR, LIKE YOUR UTILITY IS SUGGEST THAT YOU COULD HAVE SOMEWHERE AROUND 145 TO $150,000 OF A CUSHION, UH, EACH YEAR BASED ON THESE ASSUMPTIONS. OKAY? SO I KNOW, I KNOW I WENT FAST, BUT I'M GONNA PAUSE THERE. JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND OF THE 23 4, WHAT THE DEBT SERVICES AND WHAT THE PROJECTED REVENUES ARE. MARK, JUST HOLD ON ONE. YES SIR. ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S A REAL SIMPLE ONE. THIS IS MY LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ON HOW TO READ THESE DOCUMENTS IN YOUR PAGE 13 PRINCIPLE AMOUNT COLUMN GOES TO 22 7 30 AND THEN TWO PAGES LATER, THE PRINCIPAL COLUMN GOES TO 23 4 25. AND I JUST, I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO PAGES. OH, YOU'RE ON PAGE 13. THIS PAGE HERE. 13 AND 15. YEAH, THIS PAGE HERE. OH, OKAY. UM, APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE, THIS, THIS PAGE 13 WAS WHEN WE WERE RUNNING SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS AND THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNTS ACCORDING AND THEN, THEN WE STARTED TWEAKING THEM WITH STAFF. AND THIS WAS JUST SIMPLY A SLIDE WORKING THAT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU ON A PER MATURITY BASIS WHAT YOUR INTEREST RATE WOULD BE. SO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT'S JUST KIND OF MOVING A LITTLE FAST AND CHANGING SOME ASSUMPTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL PAUSE. I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE HERE 'CAUSE THIS IS KIND OF AN IMPORTANT SLIDE AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO ANOTHER OPTION THAT, UH, WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH COUNSEL. YES, THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS ARE BASED ON WHAT OCCUPANCY? YEP. 75 MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR. UM, SO WHAT WE HAD THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DO, AND THEY CAN ALSO CHIME IN, IS WE DID BUILD A MODEL AND THOSE, UM, ASSUMPTIONS ARE THAT WE HAVE, UM, NINE HOURS OF OPERATION [04:20:01] PER DAY IN THE GARAGE. 270 SPACES THAT ARE UTILIZED, UM, DURING A PEAK MONTH, WHICH IS TYPICALLY APRIL WHEN WE SEE THE HIGHEST USAGE OF OUR PAID PARKING. UM, WE SET THAT AS LIKE THE PEAK NUMBER AND THAT PEAK NUMBER WAS DETERMINED 270 SPACES NINE HOURS A DAY, AND PEAK USAGE WAS 75% OF THE GARAGE. SO WE DID NOT ASSUME A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE GARAGE WAS USED A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME IN ANY OF THESE NUMBERS. THE HIGHEST NUMBER IS 75%, UM, USAGE. AND THEN WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS THE, UM, USAGE RATE OF OUR CURRENT PAID PARKING EACH MONTH USING OUR HISTORICAL PARKING REVENUE DATA AND DETERMINED, UH, FACTOR FOR EACH MONTH. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE SEASONALITY FOR JANUARY IS AROUND 67%. UM, AND SO WE DETERMINE THAT FOR EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR AND THEN MULTIPLIED THAT OUT ACROSS IT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE ASSUMPTION FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY, BASED ON A PEAK OF 75% UTILIZATION MULTIPLIED BY THE FACTOR FOR SEASONALITY FOR JANUARY, RESULTS IN AN ESTIMATE OF 51% OF THE GARAGE IS USED IN JANUARY. SO WE DID THAT FOR EACH THAT WAS 51. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT, WE DID THAT FOR EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR, AGAIN, BASED ON THE HISTORICAL PARKING USAGE PATTERNS OF OUR CURRENT PAID PARKING TO COME UP WITH OUR ESTIMATE. UM, AND THEN WE PUT IN DIFFERENT PARKING RATES PER HOUR, THE CURRENT $2 PER HOUR, TWO 50 AN HOUR, $3 TO SEE WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS WERE GENERATED, UM, TO MATCH THE AMOUNT OF DEBT SERVICE PLUS THE OPERATING COSTS. UM, AND SO IN THIS CHART THAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE, THERE'S A FOOTNOTE THAT THESE NUMBERS WERE GENERATED USING A TWO 50 PER HOUR RATE, UM, USING ALL OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YOU BASE IT ON TWO 70. WE HEARD THAT THERE'S ONLY LIKE 2 42 OR SOMETHING PARKING SPACES 'CAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE THE, UM, EV CHARGING AND EVERYTHING. NO, I THINK THE TWO AND MOTORCYCLES, SO WELL THE, BUT THE MOTORCYCLES WILL PAY THE SAME, THE SAME RATE. YEAH. AND I GUESS EV PARKING WILL PAY THE SAME RATE TOO. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, AND SO THIS ASSUMES JUST A FLAT HOUR PER RATE OR RATE PER HOUR. UM, AND JUST LOOKING AT LIKE WHAT'S THE MINIMUM WE WOULD NEED TO GENERATE TO COVER THE DEBT SERVICE AND ANY OF THESE OPTIONS. BUT AGAIN, UM, THE PARKING MANAGER COULD PROPOSE, UM, ANY KIND OF, UM, ANY NUMBER OF FEES, SCHEDULE SCENARIOS, UM, TO GENERATE OR INCENTIVIZE THE TYPE OF PARKING BEHAVIORS WE'RE TRYING TO FIND. SO THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, FREE THE FIRST HOUR AND FIVE BUCKS, THE SECOND HOUR, WHATEVER. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS THAT COULD HAPPEN. SO THIS IS JUST PURELY INTENDED TO SHOW THE COUNCIL WHAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM RATE PER HOUR THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CHARGED. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS THE RATE YOU'RE SETTING, RIGHT. IT'S JUST THE EXAMPLE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE MINIMUM WOULD NEED TO BE. PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. MY COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE. I I TOO, I THINK I STARTED THIS LOOKING PROBABLY AT YOUR MODEL, WHICH IS JUST A FLAT LINE SIMPLE, HOW DID YOU GET YOUR NUMBERS? AND I WAS REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING TWO 50 A SPOT EVERY SPOT, 365 DAYS A YEAR TO GET TO THAT NUMBER. SO I WAS REALLY GLAD TO SEE A, A, A DIFFERENT ANALYSIS, WHICH WAS EVEN MUCH MORE SIGNI UH, UH, COMPLICATED THAN THE MODEL I TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. MIKE. JUST A FEW QUESTIONS HERE. $9, NINE HOURS A DAY. MM-HMM. , I THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S UPTOWN GETS ROLLING AT 10:00 AM NINE HOURS WOULD BE 7:00 PM HOW DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? WELL, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE, UM, STAFF PREPARED THAT ASSUMPTION. I THINK IT MUST, UH, I I'M NOT SURE IT, THE MODEL SHOWS THAT IT WOULD BE THE ESTIMATED HOURS OF OPERATION. WERE 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM BUT WE KNOW IF IT'S UPTOWN AND WE HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE OPEN IN THE EVENING, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT NUMBER. SO IT WOULD ONLY JUST INCREASE THIS. I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE OKAY. IN THE PROJECTION, BECAUSE UPTOWN DOESN'T REALLY START ROCKING PETE, I THINK, DID YOU SAY 10 O'CLOCK? I SAID 10 AT 10:00 AM IT DOESN'T IT, IT'S DEAD AT 9, 9 30. IT SHUTS DOWN. IT SHUTS DOWN. IT'S, WELL, IT DEPENDS BY [04:25:01] THE RESTAURANT. YOU CAN GO TO, UH, COWBOY CLUB, HE'S GOING, IT'S A LOT FEWER RESTAURANTS THAN JUST SHOPPING AND STUFF. BUT, SO I'M JUST, THAT'S A CURIOUS QUESTION TO ME AND MY NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAVE THAT I, I WORRY ABOUT THAT THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF THE OPERATION OF THIS GARAGE I SUSPECT ARE GONNA REALLY UNDERPERFORM BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE COMPETITIVE SURFACE LOTS AROUND. AND I ACTUALLY THINK THEY WILL BECOME COMPETITIVE. WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE, IF WE SET A FEE, WE'RE GONNA SEE SOME OF THOSE SURFACE LOTS THAT WE RENT. I MEAN MAYBE WE'LL STOP RENTING 'EM, BUT THEY'LL START CHARGING AND THEY MIGHT UNDERCUT US A LITTLE BIT. AND I'M, I WORRY THAT WE WILL BE IN A LITTLE COMPETITIVE SITUATION HERE IN THE FIRST YEARS AND THE NUMBERS WILL BE LOW. AND I BELIEVE COUNSELOR AND MAYOR, THANK YOU. UM, THE, WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC POLICY OBJECTIVE THAT MR. REEDER MENTIONED ABOUT THERE SHOULD BE A PARKING REVENUE FORECAST CREATED THAT IS UPDATED EVERY YEAR WITH YOUR ACTUALS AND A CONSTANT REVIEW OF WHAT IS THE, UM, APPROPRIATE FEES TO BE SETTING AND WHAT'S THE EXPERIENCE THAT'S HAPPENING SO THAT THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED. UM, IT'S INTENDED TO YEAH. ADDRESS THAT AS WE EXPERIENCE YEAH. YOU KNOW, HOW THAT HAPPENS. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION WAS REALLY, YOU ALSO USED MAIN, THE MAIN STREET REVENUE IN THERE TO SUPPLEMENT THE COST. AND I HAVE A POLICY PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT, THE REVENUE PARKING REVENUES THAT ARE GENERATED OUTSIDE OF THIS GARAGE HAVE A USE IN UPTOWN CURRENTLY FOR BEAUTIFICATION AND IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT LIVE UP THERE DESERVED, UH, GET SOME REINVESTMENT OF SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT'S RAISED. AND I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE ALL OF THE MAIN STREET REVENUE USED TOWARDS DEBT SERVICE AND, UM, MAYOR, COUNSELOR FURMAN. UM, YOU'RE CORRECT, THAT IS IN THE BASE MODEL ASSUMPTION, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $400,000 ON AVERAGE PER YEAR. UM, BUT IT IS EASY TO TAKE THAT OUT OF THE MODEL AND I DID THAT EARLIER TODAY AT, BASED ON ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I RECEIVED. AND SO THE PARKING RATE WOULD BE $3 AN HOUR IF WE REMOVE THAT AT THE MINIMUM TO MAKE THE DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE WORK. SO ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS ARE EASY TO MODEL AND TAKE IN AND OUT BASED ON THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. YEP. UM, AND THEN ANDY JUST REMINDED ME THAT THE CURRENT MAIN STREET PARKING, UM, PAYMENT HOURS ARE 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM SO I THINK THAT'S WHY IT WAS USED, UM, IN THIS ESTIMATE. GREAT. THEN USED IN THE ESTIMATE MEANINGS, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE DROP OFF IN REVENUE STARTING AT FOUR TO SIX AND BUILT THAT INTO THE MODEL. THAT'S INTERESTING. GOOD. REALLY IT WAS A MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED MODEL THAN I WAS ABLE TO DO, SO THAT WAS GREAT. BUT MY POINT OF ASKING ALL THESE QUESTIONS IS THAT THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF THIS GARAGE OPERATION MIGHT NOT PAN OUT EVEN TO WHAT WE THINK IT IS. AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A POLICY DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO HAPPEN, WHAT KIND OF TRIGGER, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO IF THE REVENUES FALL SHORT, DO WE JUST USE THE GENERAL FUND OR DO WE TRIGGER RATE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR POLICY PREFERENCE? AND THAT'S PART OF A DISCUSSION WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE PARKING MANAGER AND WHOEVER OVER TIME. BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH, WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S LOOKING ABOUT THIS THING, THAT THERE ARE UNKNOWNS YET AND SOME OF 'EM, UH, HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO. SO THANK YOU KATHY. AND I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. MY QUESTION GOES TO THE FIRST POINT THAT COUNCILOR FURMAN RAISED, WHICH ABOUT BEING UNDERCUT POTENTIALLY BY OTHER LOTS THAT WE ARE NO LONGER LEASING. WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN THEY WERE APPROVED, THEY HAD TO, EVERY BUSINESS HAD TO PROVIDE X AMOUNT OF PARKING. UM, SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT A BUSINESS CAN JUST DO, DECIDE THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY CHARGING FOR PARKING, BE ABLE TO CHARGE? SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A SOMETHING TO CONSIDER OR NOT. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE OTHER RESTRICTIONS THERE. DO YOU HAVE THAT ANSWER? I DO NOT. AND CARRIE HAD TO GO, SO, OKAY. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE THAT YOU COULDN'T TURN PARKING AWAY THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE FOR. RIGHT? RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE HEADED WITH THAT. YEAH. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY FIRM UP THAT UNDERSTANDING. I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANSWERED NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO FACTOR INTO OUR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS WHEN A PARKING MANAGER'S ON BOARD, BECAUSE I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I THINK YOU RAISED A GOOD POINT AND I I THINK THAT IT UNDERMINES THE PURPOSE OF MOVING AHEAD WITH A GARAGE TO FILL THESE NEEDS. SO [04:30:01] IT'S A POINT TO CONSIDER. SO, UH, THEN YOU WANT TO GO, I, OKAY, SO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE PARKING METERS WERE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO FLUCTUATE IN IN PRICE PER, DEPENDING ON THE SEASON, DEPENDING ON THE HOUR. AND I DON'T THINK THAT EVER HAPPENED. NO. RIGHT. SO, AND WE'RE TALKING HOW MANY YEARS? EIGHT YEARS NOW. SEVEN YEARS. IT'S A LONG TIME. SO I THINK IT'S SIX OR SEVEN. ALRIGHT, SO HOW ARE WE BASING THE NUMBER ON WHAT THE PARKING METER IS NOW WHEN IT MAYBE, IF IT'S $3 AN HOUR NOW, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR STEPPED? SO WE'RE PROJECTING TWO, BUT IT'S TWO RIGHT NOW. THE, THE CURRENT PARKING RATE IS $2 PER HOUR. WELL, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE $4 AN HOUR OLDEST THIS FOR THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. I JUST WANNA KNOW WHERE YOU ARE YOU USING THAT OLD NUMBER. RIGHT. THAT REALLY IS NOT ACCURATE ANYMORE. THERE HAS BEEN FEEDBACK TO CITY STAFF THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INCREASE IN THAT FEE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE TURNOVER OF THE SPACES, THE THE BEST. AND THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF RAISING IT. SO YOU GET TURNOVER TO GET MORE PEOPLE IN. RIGHT. WE, I, I THINK THE BEST EXAMPLE IS WE DO HAVE FOLKS ESSENTIALLY PARKED ALL DAY LONG IN SOME OF THOSE SPACES THAT WE DON'T REALLY WANT THERE. AND THE ORIGINAL INTENT ALSO WAS IT WOULD MAX OUT AT FOUR HOURS AND YOU COULDN'T PAY MORE EVEN IF YOU DID IT ON ONLINE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU COULD DO IT ONLINE. YEAH. WHAT WHAT MAY MAKE SENSE TO ASK THE PARKING MANAGER TO LOOK INTO IS AN ESCALATING FACTOR. SO IF, IF A PERSON IS THERE AFTER TWO HOURS, IT GOES UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT AFTER THREE HOURS, IT ESCALATES EVEN FURTHER. RIGHT. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE THAT FROM DAY ONE AND IT NEVER DID. AND THEN ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THAT TYPE OF A SYSTEM ON 89 A STAY, YOU KNOW, RAISE, BUT THE PARKING GARAGE SHOULD BE DIFFERENT. WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. RIGHT? IT VERY WELL COULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT BACK TO THE POINT OF EMPLOYEES PARKING IN THE GARAGE, THAT'S BEEN MY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IS THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ESCALATOR TO DISINCENTIVIZE THAT. WELL, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WORKING SIX HOURS A DAY, WHY WOULD YOU WANNA DISINCENTIVIZE HIM TO STAYING THERE PARKED? MAYBE WE, THE, THE SURFACE LOT, POSSIBLY WE CAN FIND ONE OR TWO OF THE SURFACE LOTS AND USE THOSE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. RIGHT. JUST A, A THOUGHT. AND WE USE THE, THE, THE PARKING LOT GARAGE FOR RESIDENTS OR WHOEVER. I'M JUST THROWING SOMETHING OUT THERE. I'M JUST, I'M NOT MAKING A, UH, UM, UH, GIVING YOU AN IDEA, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. SO ADVICE MAYOR, YOU WANT TO SPEAK NEXT AND THEN KATHY? NO, I'M DONE. OH, THAT JESSICA, WELL, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD. NO. AND WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD HERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY WHINES, WE JUST FOLLOW AND WE'RE NOT DOING IT BASED ON POLICY. WE'RE DOING IT BASED ON WINE WHINGING. SO I THINK WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GONNA CHARGE FOR THE SHUTTLE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ROBERT CAME IN AND SO THINK ABOUT OUR NEW PARKING MANAGER WHO DOESN'T EXIST YET. ROBERT CAME IN AND SAID, OH, YOU CAN'T CHARGE FOR PARKING. PEOPLE HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY. YOU GR YOU, YOU WORK UP TO THAT, BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE IT FREE SO THAT THEY'LL USE IT. SO WE WENT, OKAY, ROBERT, YOU'RE THE EXPERT. WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT AGAIN. NO, WE JUST CAN'T DO IT. NO MATTER WHAT OUR PARKING MANAGER SAYS TO US, WE HAVE TO CHARGE FOR THIS PARKING AND WE HAVE TO CHARGE IT IN A WAY, I AGREE WITH YOU COUNCILOR FURMAN, THAT WE'RE NOT AT THE LINE. WE GOTTA HAVE A CUSHION SUFFICIENT ENOUGH SO THAT SOME OF THESE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, THE USAGE AND THE, AND THE, UH, REVENUE, THE, THE REVENUE BASED ON USAGE THAT WE'RE MAKING UP. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WITH SOME DATA, BUT WE DON'T KNOW 270 SPACES LATER WHETHER THAT'S GONNA BE APPLICABLE OR NOT. SO WE HAVE TO DO YEAH, I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THIS. I'M REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT IT. I'M MORE NERVOUS ABOUT THIS ELEMENT THAN ANY OTHER ELEMENT HERE BECAUSE I JUST DON'T, I KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. RIGHT. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE UPTOWN MERCHANTS WAS THAT THIS REVENUE THAT WE WERE COLLECTING FROM THE PARKING METERS WOULD GO, WAS GOING TO GO TO THE GARAGE BECAUSE THEY SO DESPERATELY WANTED A GARAGE. THAT CORRECT. WERE WILLING TO MAKE THAT, UH, AGREEMENT. RIGHT. SO I DO THINK THAT IT IS REASONABLE TO PUT THAT MONEY INTO THE POT, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE UPTOWN RESIDENCE. ANDY, THEN JESSICA AND THEN BRIAN, CAN I JUST MAKE ONE KIND OF STATEMENT REAL QUICK? UM, I, I BELIEVE JUST, I HAVEN'T BEEN THAT INVOLVED IN THE, UH, FEE PARKING PROGRAM IN THE PAST, BUT [04:35:01] FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, I THINK OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST IS THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A PERSON, LIKE A PARKING MANAGER EXACTLY. TO MANAGE IT. RIGHT. IT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED AND THEY GOT IT FELL OFF THE OUTTA SIGHT. RIGHT. I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. UH, JESSICA, AND THEN BRIAN, WELL, AS UNPLEASANT AS THE EXPERIENCE WITH CHARGING FOR THE SHUTTLE IS THE FACT REMAINS THAT WE, UNTIL WE HAVE DATA, WE ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW . IT'S, THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO KNOW ONCE WE BEGIN TO GET DATA, WE CAN ADJUST AS WE NEED TO ADJUST. I BELIEVE THAT, THAT THIS WAS PREPARED BY ANNETTE WAS JUST AN ATTEMPT AND I THINK IN A SHORT PERIOD, A FAIRLY SOPHISTICATED WAY OF KIND OF SAYING AT MINIMUM THIS IS A NUMBER AND IF THESE, IF THE OCCUPANCY OR ANYTHING GOES UP OR DOWN, THAT WILL VARY SUB. BUT THIS IS JUST A WAY TO BEGIN AND I'M AFRAID THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP IS BE BEGIN BEGINNING SOMEWHERE BASED ON ANALYSIS SUCH AS THIS AND THE PARKING MANAGER IS THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SO WHILE I THINK IT'S REALLY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE GUARANTEE OR WE'RE GONNA KNOW FROM DAY FROM NOW HOW ACTUALLY IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT, WHAT THE FEES ARE GONNA BE AND WHAT'S GONNA WORK AND WHAT ISN'T. WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME DATA TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND WE WILL GET IT. I THINK AS WE, AS WE, UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT ALSO BE USEFUL, UM, TO LOOK AT THE OCCUPANCY OF SOME OF THE ONLINE PARKING LOTS IN THE INTERIM AND SEE WHAT THAT OCCUPANCY MIGHT MIGHT BE AS SORT OF WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND SORT OF ON STREET, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO TELL WHO ON STREET IS, BUT I I THINK THAT ALONG VANDER AND THOSE, THOSE ARE NOT RESIDENTS, THOSE ARE MOST LIKELY, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER WAYS WE CAN BEGIN TO GET SOME, SOME DATA ON IT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW. ALRIGHT. I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS WHO'S ON WHAT, WHAT STREET WEATHER'S. NO, I, I, I, YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, MARK, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH YOUR PRESENTATION. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU CONTINUE IT SINCE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ONLY BE ASKING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW AND NOT HAVING DISCUSSION. SO I WILL HOLD MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. RIGHT. WELL, CAN I, YES, MELISSA, SO THIS IS QUESTION MODELING AND I KNOW YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO THAT, SO I'M GONNA TURN MY FACE AND LOOK OVER HERE. SO WHEN YOU DID THE MODELING, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT THE GARAGE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MAIN STREET AND WHEN WE REMOVE SOME OF THE PARKING FROM MAIN STREET, WE MOVED IT TO JORDAN AS I RECALL AND MADE SOME OF THAT. HAVE YOU, DID YOU INCLUDE THAT? AND ALSO WE TALK ABOUT KEEPING, UM, OR MAINTAINING LOT ONE. UM, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT LOT ONE WOULD THEN ALSO BECOME PAY BECAUSE OTHERWISE EVERYONE'S GONNA GO TO LOT ONE, RIGHT? SO DID YOU, DID YOU DO ANY, DID YOU INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE SPACES IN THERE AS WELL? WELL, THE RELOCATION OF THE PARKING TO JORDAN IS ACCOUNTED FOR, BUT WE HAVE NOT PROJECTED TO ACCOUNT FOR PARKING BEYOND MAIN STREET OR THE GARAGE. BUT I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I I DO THINK WITH WHAT THE PARKING MANAGER IS GOING TO LOOK AT IT WILL BE A HOLISTIC, HOW DO WE IN INCENTIVIZE AND DEE THE ENTIRE PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ENTIRE UPTOWN AREA, THE WHOLE IN INVENTORY. THANK YOU. YOU BET. SO, SO, SO MY POINT BEING THAT THERE'S POSSIBLY QUITE A FEW MORE SLOTS THAT WE HAVEN'T YET ACCOUNTED FOR AS FAR AS PAID SLOTS ARE CONCERNED, WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH BUFFER DO WE HAVE, RIGHT? CONTINUE. SORRY, , APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION. OKAY. UM, SO THIS IS A SUMMARY. WE'RE GONNA SHOW ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO YOU JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT STAFF HAD HAD SUGGESTED. SO WE MODELED IT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SO ALTERNATIVE NUMBER ONE IS WHAT WE JUST WENT OVER THE 24 MILLION AND IT'S AN ENTERPRISE SYSTEM AND THE REVENUES PAY FOR THE DEBT AND M AND O AND ON NUMBER SIX, WITH LIMITED OR NO GENERAL FUND SUPPORT, THAT'S OUR GOAL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. AS YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS [04:40:01] A SHORTFALL FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEN THE GENERAL FUND WOULD'VE TO STEP IN. WE'RE WE'RE NOT PLEDGING PARKING REVENUES TOWARDS OUR FINANCING. YOU WANNA LOWER YOUR BORROW CUTS. OKAY? SO DOWN BELOW, WE'LL SHOW YOU THE NUMBERS IN A MOMENT. JUST BEAR WITH ME, THIS GETS A LITTLE, GETS A LITTLE BIT, UM, UM, JUST SOME MOVING PARTS HERE. WHAT IF WE ISSUED LESS DEBT? WHAT IF WE ISSUED LESS THAN 24 MILLION? OKAY, WHAT IF WE ISSUED 18 MILLION? OKAY, WE'RE DOWN 6 MILLION. WE, THE, THE, THE THOUGHT THAT WE WANT TO RUN BY YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER THE 22 BOND FOR THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN PROJECTS, THERE'S STILL $18 MILLION LEFT IN THAT BOND AREA IF WE REPURPOSE THAT MONEY OKAY? AND PUT IT INTO THE PARKING GARAGE. THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S SOME NUMBERS WE'RE GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH HERE IN A MOMENT. OKAY? SO DOWN BELOW IT SAYS, UM, 18 MILLION OF THE 22 BOND FUNDS REPURPOSED TO FUND THE PARKING GARAGE. AND WE'RE GONNA SHIFT 1,000,003 FIVE, 1.35 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE ENTERPRISE FUND. BEAR WITH ME. OKAY? THEN OUR 24 BOND. SO WE WOULD STILL DO A BOND ISSUE, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO A SMALLER BOND ISSUE. UM, 6 MILLION FOR THE, FOR THE PARKING GARAGE PAYABLE FROM THE ENTERPRISE AND 12 MILLION OF THE 24 BOND MONEY TO FUND FOR THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT. OKAY? UM, THE 22 BONDS, THIS IS A REMINDER WERE SOLD AT A 2.8% RATE LOWER RATE THAN THAN OUR FOUR, OUR FOUR AND A HALF, FOUR 60. NOW, JUST, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, HIGHER DEBT SERVICE OF 1.35 MILLION ON THE 22 BONDS ALLOCATED TO THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, AMORTIZATION OF THE FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WOULD RESULT IN SOME GENERAL FUND SAVINGS. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA, WE WOULD EXTEND THE AMORTIZATION AND WE WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH THAT HERE ON THE NEXT WE SLIDE. SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS JUST KIND OF A CONCEPT THAT, THAT WE CAME UP WITH THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH, WITH, UH, WITH COUNSEL. SO LET'S GO THROUGH IT. BEAR WITH ME. UM, COLUMN ONE THROUGH FOUR YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN, UH, WE'VE PROJECTED AT THE MOMENT, WE KNOW THIS WILL CHANGE, UH, 1,660,000 OF NET REVENUES, RIGHT? TO PAY FOR DEBT SERVICE. SO IN COLUMN FIVE, UM, IF WE ONLY FINANCE 6 MILLION OF THE 24 BONDS, BUT WE EXTEND THAT OVER A LONG TIME, WE GOTTA PAY 370,000 OUT OF THE PARKING GARAGE REVENUES, RIGHT? AND THEN IF WE PIVOTED AND REPURPOSED OUR 22 BONDS IN COLUMN SIX, YOU SEE THE 18 MILLION, THEN WE WOULD REPURPOSE THAT TO THE PARKING GARAGE. SO OUR DEBT SERVICE IS 1,000,355. WE PAY LESS INTEREST, WE PAY OUR BONDS OFF QUICKER, OKAY? OUR POSITIVE CASH FLOW IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER, ISN'T IT IN COLUMN SEVEN? OKAY, LET'S CALL THAT A BREAK EVEN. IT'S A LITTLE NEGATIVE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WOULD ADJUST OUR PARKING GARAGE REVENUES IN EACH BUDGET YEAR, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE CUSHION THAT WE HAD ON THE 24 BONDS IN WHICH WE AMORTIZE THAT OVER THAT 25 OR 30 YEAR PERIOD. THE SIMPLE, THE SIMPLER MODEL, OKAY? SO WE WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. NOW, IF YOU GO DOWN, IF WE PAY OFF THE 22 BONDS EARLY, REMEMBER THEY ONLY WON OUT 20 YEARS, THEN THE BENEFIT TO THE, TO THE CITY IS THAT LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY WE'RE KICKING OFF WHEN THOSE BONDS ARE PAID OFF OUT IN 43 44. YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE, 'CAUSE OUR DEBTS PAID OFF, WE'RE KIND OF HOME FREE. WE HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA REVENUE TO THROW DOWNTOWN TO THROW AT THE PARKING GARAGE. AND SO, UM, STAFF HAD HAD COME UP WITH THIS IDEA THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. UM, AND THEN IN THE BLUE BOXES THERE, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK AN IDEA TO HELP THE GENERAL FUND A LITTLE BIT, WE STILL GOT A FUND FOREST ROAD, RIGHT? THAT'S ANOTHER EXPENSIVE PROJECT, THE CITY MM-HMM. IS IN THE MIDDLE OF ANOTHER GREAT PROJECT, OF COURSE EXPENSIVE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE, WE AMORTIZE THAT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME VIS-A-VIS THE 22. AND SO WE GET OUR GENERAL FUND SAVINGS THERE IN COLUMN NINE. SO , I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT IN TERMS OF HOW WE REPURPOSED IT AND HOW WE SIZED A BOND ISSUE FOR A SMALLER AMOUNT OF DEBT AND KIND OF THE PROS AND THE CONS. SO I HOPE THAT WAS HELPFUL. ANNETTE AND STAFF, UH, JEAN, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? BUT THAT WAS A PLEASE. I THINK I WOULD LOOK TO [04:45:01] JEAN IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT. UM, JEAN AND THE FINANCE STAFF DID THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THIS, UM, SCENARIO, SO I JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE THEM FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY. UM, A COUPLE DIFFERENT BENEFITS THAT I SEE IN DOING, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION TWO WHERE WE'RE REPURPOSING THE 2022 BONDS, UM, IS, IS FIRST OFF, UM, IT'LL BE CLOSE, BUT WE, WE NEED TO SPEND DOWN THOSE 22 BONDS. AND SO BY REPURPOSING THEM AND GETTING THAT SPENT OUT FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, THAT WILL HELP. UM, THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, THE IMPACTS ON THE GENERAL FUND AND BEING ABLE TO REDUCE THE BURDEN OF THE GENERAL FUND BY ABOUT $340,000 A YEAR. UH, SEEMED TO BE A GOOD DIRECTION TO GO. UM, THE ALSO, UH, AS THIS WAS ALREADY POINTED OUT, BUT BY USING A SMALLER BOND ISSUE SO THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE THE 2024 BOND ISSUE, UH, 6 MILLION OF IT WOULD GO TO THE PARKING GARAGE WITH THE REMAINDER GOING TO, UM, FOREST LAKE ROAD. UM, WE ARE SHORTENING, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL TERM YOU KNOW, OF, OF THE DEBT AND WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ADJUST THE PARKING RATES TO ACCOMMODATE ANY OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, UM, ET CETERA, AND STILL BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE FULL DEBT SERVICE. UM, THE OTHER PART OF THIS OF RESIZING THE 2024 BOND IS WE HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN WHICH THE 6 MILLION ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WE WOULD NOT ISSUE, THEY DO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT THEY'RE ATTACHED TO YET. AND SO THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BECOME A MORE OF A PAY AS YOU GO TYPE SITUATION FOR THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AS THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS WOULD BE ASSIGNED. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? ANYBODY? ? OH YEAH. OH YEAH. . OKAY, KATHY, GO FOR IT. SO I HAD A QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA PUT THAT ASIDE FOR A SECOND AND COME BACK TO IT BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROJECTS, PUTTING THOSE ASIDE AND PAYING AS WE GO, ASSUMES THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO MAKE THOSE HAPPEN. ASSUME ASSUMES THAT WE'VE GOT THAT IN OUR BUDGET, WHICH THEN CALLS INTO QUESTION IF OUR BUDGET WAS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, A, A REALISTIC VERSUS PADDED. UM, BUT I JUST WANNA KNOW IF WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THERE, IF THERE ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO GO OVER BUDGET THAT ARE HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED CANNOT BE ABSORBED IN THERE, WHAT WILL WE DO IN TERMS OF FUNDING THOSE PROJECTS, WHICH WILL LEAD INTO MY SECOND QUESTION AFTER THAT ONE'S ANSWERED. AND THIS IS JEAN, I CAN ADDRESS THAT TOO. UM, WHEN THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR AUDIT IS COMPLETED AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UM, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A SURPLUS FOR THE GENERAL FUND RIGHT NOW AND IS AFTER THE AUDIT IS OVER WITH THAT, TYPICALLY THE SURPLUS DOLLARS ARE THEN ASSIGNED TO DIFFERENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. AND SO IT WOULD BE UTILIZING, UH, A, A COMPONENT OF THAT SURPLUS. WE HAVE MADE GREAT USE OF THAT, UM, IN THE PAST YEARS WHERE WE'VE HAD THIS SURPLUS EVERY YEAR AND THEN WE SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA USE IT TO TAKE PAY DOWN P-S-P-R-S THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WE PUT ADDITIONAL MONEY INTO HOUSING. UM, SO SOME WE RELY ON THAT AS A STRATEGY FOR FUNDING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE START REALIZING WE HAVE A BIGGER VISION FOR. SO THIS WOULD THEN TAKE THAT OUT OF OUR SORT OF A CARD, UP OUR SLEEVE, RIGHT? IT WOULD, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE BECAUSE IN THIS DISCUSSION WE WOULD HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE USING THOSE UNENDED FUNDS THAT WE ANTICIPATE TOWARD THIS. IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT I SAID? MM-HMM. I WOULD SAY THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE, UM, FUND, THE $6 MILLION, UM, THAT JEAN IS TALKING ABOUT, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING FUNDED BY THE 2022 BONDS. SO THE CURRENT 22 BONDS ARE PAYING FOR [04:50:01] FOREST ROAD AND $6 MILLION OF OTHER, RIGHT? AND IF WE DID THIS SCENARIO, ONLY FOREST ROAD WOULD CONTINUE TO BE PAID FOR WITH BONDS. THAT MEANS THAT $6 MILLION OF OTHER CIP WOULD COME FROM ANOTHER SOURCE. AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WHEN THE BOOKS ARE CLOSED FOR THE YEAR ENDING JUNE 30TH, 24 MM-HMM, , WE'RE ANTICIPATING UN EXPENDED DOLLARS, UM, IN AN AMOUNT MORE THAN $6 MILLION WILL BE AVAILABLE. YOUR TYPICAL TIMING FOR USE OF THOSE FUNDS IS LATER IN THE YEAR RIGHT. WHEN YOU GO INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS. RIGHT? SO THIS IS BASICALLY JUST ADVANCING THAT EARLIER TO TAG THAT AND LIMITING OUR CHOICES OF WHAT IT GOES TO. CORRECT. 'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY PREDETERMINING IT. YES. IT'S THE CHOICE. WHAT YES, IT'S THE CHOICE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S PREDETERMINED. SO IT TAKES AWAY THE, WHAT WE RELIED ON FOR FUNDING, UM, NEEDS THAT WE IDENTIFY IS COMING UP THE COURSE OF THAT TIME. MM-HMM. AND THEN AN ANSWER TIME ONLY. MM-HMM. . YEAH. AND SO THEN AN ANSWER TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO IF OTHER PROJECTS ARE COMING IN ABOVE? AND TYPICALLY, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE THE CASE NO MATTER WHAT, REGARDLESS THIS SCENARIO OR ANY SCENARIO, WE COULD HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN ABOVE AND IT'S OUR JOB AS STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THAT AND FIND SAVINGS OR WE COME TO YOU WITH A PROPOSAL ABOUT HOW WE WOULD PROPOSE TO COVER IT. BUT THAT, I GUESS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN, UM, EVEN WITHOUT THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN. SO WE WOULD DO THE SAME IN TERMS OF EITHER HAVING TO REPRIORITIZE THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN STARTED YET, DELAY THINGS OR FIND SAVINGS FROM OTHER, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY OVER THAT TYPE OF THING. LET'S, LET'S JUST TAKE A LITTLE WHAT IF TRIP FOR A SECOND AND WHAT IF WE DECIDED THAT WE THOUGHT BUILDING A CLASS, A RECREATIONAL CENTER, A CULTURAL PARK, WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN DOING, RIGHT? AND THAT WOULD TAKE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE UNENDED FUNDS TO APPLY TO THAT. SO THAT WOULD NOW BE SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BONDED. SO WITH SOMETHING, A BIG, BIG PROJECTS LIKE THAT, IF THOSE WERE GOING TO BE BONDED BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOW, UM, CLOSED OUT THE 20, UM, WHAT YEAR IS IT? THE 2022 BONDS AND NOW ISSUED NEW 2024 BONDS, HOW DOES ALL OF THAT AFFECT OUR CREDIT RATING TO GO INTO FUTURE BONDS THAT WE MAY WANT FOR PROJECTS WE MAY WANT? AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS BECAUSE I'M A FAN OF DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO HEAVY BONDING. I, I, I JUST, I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE THIS CITY AND WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY THAT WE'VE HAD EXCESS FUNDS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE, UM, TO PAY THINGS DOWN AND TO, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOW GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THAT IS GOING AWAY, THAT CUSHION AND THAT FLEXIBILITY AND THAT POTENTIALLY BEST BOND RATING. YES. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, MAYOR. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. UM, I'LL LET MR. READER SPEAK TO THAT. MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT THE RATING AGENCIES WILL LOOK AT A NUMBER OF FACTORS, YOUR, UH, RESERVES, WHICH WE HAVE A VERY STRONG RESERVE POLICY. UM, THEY LOOK AT YOUR PERFORMANCE ON YOUR DEBT, UH, REPAYMENT IN THE PAST, YOUR RATIOS THAT HE SHOWED YOU ON A PREVIOUS CHART, UM, A WHOLE NUMBER OF THINGS. THE FACT YOU'VE PAID BONDS OFF TYPICALLY WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST YOU. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER ELEMENTS, UM, WOULD PLAN INTO THAT. MR. ER. YEAH. THANK YOU. UH, MR. MAYOR. MAYOR THE ACCOUNT. THANK YOU, ANNETTE. UM, I THINK, UH, ALONG THOSE LINES, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY YOU HAD TO GO DO ANOTHER BOND TWO YEARS FROM NOW. MM-HMM. , UM, AS I SHOWED YOU HERE, THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS, YOU'VE GOT, BY THE TIME YOU WOULD ISSUE MORE BONDS A YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW, REMEMBER, LOOK HOW MUCH YOUR DEBT SURFACE DROPPING HERE. SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE GOT INTO A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO WHERE WE HAD TO GO BACK OUT AND BOND A PROJECT, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOUR UNDERLYING CREDIT RATING. THEY WILL LOOK, THEY WILL REVIEW, THEY'LL LOOK AT THE PARKING GARAGE, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO SEE THAT THE PARKING GARAGE IS AN ENTERPRISE SYSTEM, RIGHT? THAT THERE'S NOT A SUBSIDY. HOPEFULLY IF THERE'S A MINOR SUBSIDY OR SOME SUBSIDY, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. SO I THINK, I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL TO YOU. SO I I THINK YOU'RE IN A GOOD SPOT IN THE EVENT YOU HAVE TO DOWN THE ROAD. WHAT IS OUR CURRENT RATING? AA MINUS, [04:55:03] MAYBE WE CAN GET YOU TO AA . SOUNDS LIKE A BATTERY. . ARE YOU DONE FOR NOW, BRIAN? I, I GUESS I JUST WANT TO TEST MY UNDERSTANDING AGAINST WHAT COUNSELOR KINSELLA WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN EXPRESSED ABOUT LOSING FLEXIBILITY, BUT I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT RIGHT NOW AREN'T WE PROJECTING LIKE AN 11 MILLION SURPLUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I'D LIKE TO UM, JEAN TO ANSWER THAT SINCE SHE'S WORKING WITH THE STAFF ON CLOSING OUT, GETTING READY FOR YOUR END, RIGHT? UH, THAT IS CORRECT. WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE, UH, 11 AT THIS POINT. OKAY. SO THE ALTERNATIVE B IS, I I LOOK AT IT AS THE UPSIDE OF THAT. IT'S PAY AS YOU GO FOR PART OF IT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TAKING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'D BE TAKING SIX OF THAT 11 COMMITTING IT RIGHT NOW, STILL HAVE THAT FIVE AT SOME POINT, AND IT'S JUST A FISCAL 24 IMPACT. BECAUSE IF WE CONTINUE TO GENERATE SURPLUSES IN THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS, WE WILL STILL HAVE THOSE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I THINK ALTERNATIVE B'S IMPLICATIONS ARE. IS THAT CORRECT? I SEE ANNETTE NODDING YES. SO, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IN THAT SCENARIO, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND THE KEY PHRASE THAT YOU USED WAS IF WE CONTINUE TO PRODUCE SURPLUS, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AS WE WENT THROUGH OUR LAST BUDGET, YOU KNOW, UH, REVIEW ABOUT ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING THAT? AND THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT I HEARD. MM-HMM. . SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE, YES, IT'S A ONE TIME, IT'S A ONE YEAR. I GET THAT. AND THERE IS SOME COM THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF COMFORT IN THAT, THAT IT'S ONE YEAR, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 26 WE'LL BE SEEING THE SAME KIND OF BUDGET SURPLUSES THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS PROJECTING WAY PREMATURELY, BUT UH, IN TERMS OF BEING MORE NARROWLY FOCUSED AS IN THE BUDGET, JESSICA AND THEN VICE NOW, WELL, WHILE I HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN, OR EVERY YEAR I HEAR CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE CONTINUE TO GENERATE SURPLUSES, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING THAT INDICATES TO ME AT LEAST THAT WE'RE DOING ANYTHING ANY DIFFERENTLY THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT. AND THAT I, I WOULD ANTICIPATE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY CHANGES, THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO GENERATE SURPLUSES. I SEE NO REASON TO, TO ASSUME THAT WE WOULDN'T BE DOING THAT. SO I, I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD, I MEAN THAT'S, I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT IN THE, IN THE CIRCLE. ANNETTE, YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT OR ADDRESS THAT? UH, I THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA JUST REMIND UP ON THIS SLIDE HERE, ALTHOUGH IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ WITH THE, UM, HOW MUCH IS ON THERE? IS THAT UNDER THIS SCENARIO WE'RE SAVING THE GENERAL FUND OVER $300,000 A YEAR. MM-HMM. , UM, THAT'LL COME BACK TOO. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON YET, ALTHOUGH IT'S IN YOUR MEMO, IS THAT UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WE'RE SAVING OVER $5 MILLION IN INTEREST AS WELL. UM, SO THAT'S NOT FACTORED INTO THAT SURPLUS ESTIMATE ANYWHERE AT THIS TIME, BUT, UM, WHICH WILL GENERALLY THANK YOU AND VICE MAYOR. SO A COUPLE THINGS. ONE IS THAT, UM, COLUMN SEVEN, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, SHOWS THAT WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT REVENUES TO COVER THE, UM, GARAGE. WHAT ARE THE, WHAT IS THE NEGATIVE WE, OKAY. SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, UH, UH, MR. MAYOR, MAYOR OF THE COUNCIL, THE, UH, WE ACTUALLY, SO SEE THE 2 68, THE 2 68 NEGATIVE NUMBER, THAT'S OUR INTEREST PAYMENT. MM-HMM. THE FIRST YEAR, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME OUT OF POCKET ON THAT, THAT THAT'LL BE PAID BY THE GENERAL FUND, BUT CAN IT, IT CAN ALSO BE BOOKED AS A RECEIVABLE BY THE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM. AGAIN, THESE ARE POLICY DECISIONS, RIGHT? SO LET'S GO WITH SOME INTEREST ONLY THEN. UM, YOU CAN SEE IN COLUMN TWO BECAUSE WE HAD A SHORTER NET REVENUE YEAR, THE MILLION FOUR 40, WE'RE TRYING TO STRUCTURE THE DEBT TO MEET CASH FLOW. AND SO YOU CAN SEE HOW WE STRUCTURED THAT AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SURPLUS. YOU SEE THE MILLION 51? MM-HMM. . MM-HMM . MM-HMM, A SUR. IF WE GET TO 1,000,440, UM, AND WE ONLY HAVE 2 68, 3 0 5 [05:00:02] FOR AN INTEREST PAYMENT, THEN WE GOT A SURPLUS OF A MILLION, 1,000,051. RIGHT? WE COULD PAY THE ENTERPRISE, WE COULD PAY THE GENERAL FUND BACK THE 2 68 IF WE WANT. WE'RE STILL POSITIVE AND THEN WE'RE PRETTY MUCH BREAK EVEN AFTER THAT POINT, RIGHT? YOU SEE THE NEGATIVE NUMBERS, IT'S MM-HMM THOSE WILL BE ADJUSTED OUT. FAIR. WELL, AND ALSO, UH, MR. READER, I THINK THE MILLION, UH, DOLLAR PROJECTED SURPLUS STAYS IN THE ENTERPRISE FUND. SO NOW THAT'S A RESERVE IN THE PARKING FUND THAT WILL JUST GET, UM, USED TO COVER THESE SMALL NEGATIVES IN THOSE YEARS. YEAH. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. OKAY. ANY OTHER, OH, I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ANNETTE AND KURT. THESE ASSUMPTIONS ARE AGAIN, AT THE TWO 50 AND WE KNOW WHEN WE GET A PARKING MANAGER, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA SET FEES NOW TONIGHT. BUT IN A RESOLUTION TONIGHT, IF WE WERE GOING TO PROCEED IN THIS DIRECTION, WOULD IT BE, COULD WE BIND OURSELVES BY MAKING PART OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WE CAN'T GO INTO THESE NEGATIVES, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME A MINIMUM PRICE THAT WOULD KEEP US OUT OF THOSE NEGATIVES? WHETHER THAT'S $3 AN HOUR OR $3 AND 50 CENTS AN HOUR? I MEAN, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT, I I I, I DON'T LIKE THESE NEGATIVES THAT PROJECT UP UNTIL YEAR, UH, 2041. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND COUNCILOR KINSEL, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION TONIGHT. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT TAKING OFFICIAL ACTION ON OKAY. THE FINANCING TONIGHT, BUT WHEN IT COMES BACK, UH, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE PART OF THE, THAT COULD BE A PART OF IT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, ALTHOUGH TO CLARIFY MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, BECAUSE THE WAY THE DEBT FORMAL DOCUMENTS WILL BE DRAWN UP IF YOU GIVE US DIRECTION TONIGHT TO GO DRAW UP ONE OF THESE SCENARIOS AND BRING IT BACK FOR YOUR ACTION TO DO. MM-HMM. , UM, WE'RE PLEDGING GENERALLY IN THOSE DOCUMENTS JUST THE CITY'S FULL CREDITABILITY EXCESS WITH THE EXCISE TAX AUTHORITY. WE'RE NOT TELLING IN THOSE LEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE REPAYING WITH THE PARKING REVENUE, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S INTENT TO DO THAT. UM, SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE BINDING YOURSELF AT THE TIME THAT YOU AUTHORIZED THE ISSUANCE OF THE DEBT TO A ACCEPT PARKING FEE. UM, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. YOU'RE NOT, BUT COUNSEL COULD HAVE AN INTERNAL POLICY, HAVE IT OWN POLICY TO DO THAT OF YES. AND YOU ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN HAVE THE MORE FINE TUNED NUMBERS YOU CAN AND IT'S ONLY, I MEAN, COUNSEL COULD ALWAYS AMEND IT AT ANY TIME TOO THOUGH. SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE BINDING IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE BOND IS. IF THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION, COUNSEL, AND JUST STICKING WITH ME HERE DOING ALL MY LITTLE WHAT IFS, UM, IT DOESN'T TO ME MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A PARKING PRICING POLICY FOR THE GARAGE ONLY. IT WOULD HAVE TO TIE IN TO, ON STREET PARKING IN MY OWN FAMILY, I WILL GO INTO THE GARAGE, EVEN IF IT'S $2 MORE THAN THE ON STREET PARKING, MY BROTHER WILL DRIVE AROUND AND AROUND FOR THREE HOURS TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S A QUARTER CHEAPER. OKAY. , FAMILY DYNAMIC, . UM, SO I MEAN, THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE TIED TOGETHER AND THAT HAS TO BE PART OF, OF A POLICY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL, I THINK. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAD A QUESTION. I DO. UM, I THINK THAT WHAT? NO, DID YOU? OKAY. I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE MAKING A PRIORITY DECISION. WE'RE WE CANNOT JUST CONTINUE TO HAVE DEBT AND DO THESE HUGE PROJECTS. SO WE'RE SAYING TONIGHT, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, TRANSIT MIGHT BE DELAYED. IF WE DON'T GET, WE DON'T GET GRANTS 'CAUSE WE WON'T HAVE THE MONEY, OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE MORE DEBT, WE WOULD BE SAYING THAT YOU GET YOUR RIGHT, THESE FITNESS CENTER, MY FITNESS CENTER IS GONE. MM-HMM. , WE ARE MAKING THAT DECISION TONIGHT. IT'S GONE FOR THE NEXT, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, TILL 2027 OR SOMETHING. TILL OUR DEBT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE. RIGHT. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ABOUT $6 MILLION. MM-HMM. . THAT'S PEANUTS. THAT'S MONEY WE NEVER SPEND ANYWAY. WE ALWAYS HAVE $6 MILLION. IT'S ABOUT WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO HUGE PROJECTS ONE AFTER ANOTHER AFTER ANOTHER UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE IN MORE DEBT THAN, THAN WE ARE, WHICH I DON'T PERSONALLY, I'M, I'M AT THE CAPACITY OF WHAT MY TOLERANCE IS RIGHT NOW. UH, OTHER PEOPLE MAY THINK DIFFERENTLY AND THAT'S FINE, BUT I'M AT MY CAPACITY. SO I AM, [05:05:03] I KNOW I'M MAKING A DECISION, WHICH I PROBABLY DON'T REALLY WANNA MAKE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT I'M GONNA MAKE IT. MM-HMM. BECAUSE WE'RE FORCED TO MAKE IT. UM, AND THAT'S, I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO, YOU TALKED ABOUT EYES WIDE OPEN BEFORE THIS, THESE ARE THE EYES WIDE OPEN. GOOD POINT. IT'S A GOOD POINT. BUT SOMETHING, SOMETHING WE NEED AND AT, AT SUCH A HIGHER RATE THAN WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO PAY. WE HAVE WHICH FOR, FOR, FOR ALOP SINK IN A TOILET. . RIGHT. I GET IT. LISTEN, I USED TO WORK FOR LOCKHEED MARTIN. THIS IS, REMEMBER THE 500, $500,000 TOILET SEAT WAS BUILT TO THE SPECS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY THE GOVERNMENT. SO THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS. RIGHT? IT'S, WE CAUSE IT OURSELVES BY MAKING THESE REQUIREMENTS. SO CONTINUE, UM, MR. MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL, WE'RE ALMOST DONE. UM, PLEASE, THIS IS SIMPLY A, IF YOU, IF YOU MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT MM-HMM. , UH, AND IF YOU GIVE US DIRECTION, OPTION, OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO, THAT'S A DEAL. YOU DON'T NEED TO TONIGHT. I JUST, THIS IS EDUCATIONAL. THIS IS, THIS IS A STUDY SESSION, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD SOMEWHAT EXPEDITIOUSLY TO FUND YOUR CMAR, IF YOU APPROVE THAT TONIGHT, RIGHT? THEN WE WORKED WITH STAFF AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS CALENDAR, WHICH WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE'D COME BACK AT THE JUNE 11TH IN THE BLUE DOWN THERE, IN WHICH YOU WOULD, AS YOU HAVE IN THE PAST, ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO ISSUE BONDS FOR X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. UM, WE DON'T NEED TO COME BACK ON JUNE 11TH, WE CAN COME BACK IN JULY, BUT JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU KIND OF A MORE OF AN EXPEDITED CALENDAR. YEAH. VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXPECTATION THAT INTEREST RATES ARE GONNA DROP IN THE NEXT QUARTER? UM, YOU PROBABLY READ THE NEWS TODAY. UM, MR. MAYOR, MAYOR, THE NEWS THAT A PPI AND THE CPI, THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX AND THE PRODUCER PRICE INDEX WAS WAY UP, WAY ABOVE EXPECTATIONS. THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAS BASICALLY PUT A STOP ON ANY CUTS AT THE MOMENT. IT WILL BE DATA DEPENDENT. AND SO WE DON'T SEE, UH, OUR ECONOMISTS, AND FROM WHAT I READ, THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWPOINTS. I DON'T SEE ANY RATE CUTS ANYTIME SOON. YOU SEE ANY RATE INCREASES ANYTIME SOON? UH, NO. I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK I, I THINK NOT AT THE MOMENT DATA DEPENDENT IF SOMETHING COMES OUT WHERE THEY HAVE TO, BUT AT THE MOMENT I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE LID ON IT WHERE IT IS FOR NOW. SO ONE OR TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUNE OR MAY, IT COULD BE JUNE. DOES IT MATTER? UH, I ALWAYS, IN THAT REGARD, I ALWAYS LIKE TO, UH, RECOMMEND THAT YOU AT LEAST TEE IT UP. IN OTHER WORDS, LET'S GET GOING. LET'S TEE IT UP. LET'S GET THE RATING UP, UP, UPDATED. LET'S DO THE OFFERING. DOCUMENT ALL THE STUFF WE HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR STAFF WITH, AND THEN WE WILL GO TO THE MARKET WHEN WE THINK WE GOT A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN THE MARKET. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM. , I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT FOR YOU. MM-HMM. YOU HAVE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND. UM, IF YOU MOVE UNTIL JULY, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. OF COURSE, YOU HAVE A BIG DECISION HERE TO MAKE, BUT I'D PROBABLY RECOMMEND THE EARLIER MEETING. THANK YOU JESSICA. FIRST , THOUGH, IN JULY AND AUGUST, RIGHT? JESSICA? GO AHEAD. THAT WAS MY QUESTION EXACTLY WHAT HOLLY ASKED. THANK YOU. OKAY, MELISSA, SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DATES AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW ALL THIS IS GOING TO FIT TOGETHER. SO LET'S SAY THAT TODAY WE, UH, AGREE TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, BASICALLY BUILD A GARAGE. SO WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE CMAR CONTRACT. THOSE NUMBERS ARE ONLY GOOD. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS UNTIL THE END OF THIS MONTH. SO IF, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY GET MONIES TO GIVE THEM MONIES FOR THEM TO PAY PEOPLE, UM, SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK? I MEAN, WHEN I HIRE A CONTRACTOR, THEY USUALLY LIKE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE DOWN BEFORE THEY START WORK. I ASSUME THAT DIRECTED AT ME, RIGHT? , I WAS AIMED AT YOU, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYONE OVER HERE. WELL, I I CAN SAY THAT TYPICALLY IN THIS INDUSTRY, UM, BIDS ARE LOCKED IN WITH A NOTICE OF AWARD. AND IS THAT THE CASE HERE? I THOUGHT SO. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT IS WITH, WITH OUR GENERAL, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT IS ALSO WITH THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS. SO IF WE GOT DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT, WE WOULD ISSUE A NOTICE OF AWARD TOMORROW. [05:10:02] OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU BET. OKAY. AND JUST ONE SMALL POINT IS THAT, UM, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN AND WE ISSUED THE NOTICE OF AWARD AND THERE WAS SOME EXPENSE INCURRED BETWEEN THEN AND WHEN THE ACTUAL BOND PROCEEDS ARRIVED IN OUR ACCOUNT, UM, YOU CAN HAVE LANGUAGE IN YOUR BONDING DOCUMENTS THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO REIMBURSE THEMSELVES FOR THAT COST THAT WAS INCURRED, UH, BEFORE THE BOND PROCEEDS ARRIVED. SO THEY WOULD THE, SO THE TIME, EVEN IF THE BOND MONEY COME, GETS DEPOSITED IN OUR ACCOUNT AFTER WE START THE PROJECT, WE WOULD FRONT THAT WITH GENERAL FUND, BUT REIMBURSE OURSELVES AS SOON AS WE GET THE BOND MONEY. SO, UM, THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR TIMING QUESTION. WELL, WELL IT DOES, BUT IT RAISES ANOTHER QUESTION. SO, SO IF YOU, IF WE WENT WITH OPTION B OR ALTERNATE B WOULD, HOWEVER, WE'RE WE'RE REPHRASING THAT WE'RE TAKING 6 MILLION THAT ALREADY WE'VE BONDED. CORRECT. SO IS THAT 6 MILLION SORT OF READILY AVAILABLE FOR US TO MOVE TO SHIFT SO THAT THE SCENARIO THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED IN ESSENCE WOULDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THE 6 MILLION MORE READILY AVAILABLE. OH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU'RE SAYING IF WE WENT WITH OPTION ALTERNATE BB, WE ALREADY HAVE $18 MILLION IN THE BANK FROM THE SALE OF THE 2022 BONDS THAT WE CAN SPEND NOW. SO THAT WOULD YES. BECAUSE NOW WE'RE ONLY WAITING FOR 6 MILLION BASICALLY. CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. BRIAN, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE A, SO ARE WE DONE WITH QUESTIONS AND WE NEED TO DO, YOU'VE GOT A CARD, RIGHT? I CAN DO, WE STILL GOTTA DO DISCUSSION? NO, WE DO. NO, WE, I, BEFORE WE GO TO DISCUSSION, I WANNA DO THE CARD, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS. I'M DONE WITH QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE DONE WITH QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UH, IS MARK BROOK STILL HERE? I DON'T, I, YEAH. . YEAH. SO YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE LEFT BECAUSE, UH, JESSE, THE LAST MAN STAND YEAH. HAS TO WORK. SO THANK GOD. UH, I'M MARK BR. I LIVE IN UPTOWN. UH, I THINK THERE'S A FEW IMPORTANT PIECES THAT ARE MISSING HERE THAT, UH, ALL THE BUSINESS OWNERS MAY NOT, UH, UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW. THERE'S 725 SPACES IN UPTOWN. AND I THINK THE, THE, THE IDEA WAS TO GET RID OF 335 OF THOSE THAT ARE LEASED PARKING, CONSOLIDATE IN THE PARKING GARAGE. SO THEY'RE GONNA END UP WITH, UH, UH, TOTAL OF 662 THAT ARE PUBLIC PARKING. SO I, I THINK THEY WERE ALL THINKING THIS IS ALL OUT THERE FOR, UH, FOR USE BY THE PUBLIC, UH, I, BY THE, UH, BY THE EMPLOYEES AS THEY'RE PARKING, BUT IT'S $400 A MONTH USING THE $2 AND 50 CENTS AN HOUR FOR THEM TO PARK THERE. SO I THINK THAT MIGHT NOT BE REASONABLE. THE OTHER THING IS, ALL THESE LEASE SLOTS, ARE THEY, LIKE, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, ARE THEY GONNA BE USED AS FREE PARKING THAT WILL COMPETE WITH THE PARKING GARAGE? UH, WILL THEY BE USED AS EMPLOYEE PARKING, UH, PAID PARKING THAT AND HAS LOWER RATES THAT PEOPLE GO TO? UH, WE JUST DON'T KNOW. AND THEN THERE'S ALL THE UNMANAGED SPACES THAT ARE LOCATED AROUND IN THE STREETS. UH, HOW ARE THOSE GONNA BE USED? ARE THOSE GONNA BE TAKEN OUTTA CIRCULATION AT SOME POINT THAT FURTHER REDUCES OUR PUBLIC PARKING? SO, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THIS IS, THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED BY THE PARKING GARAGE. AND IF, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE, THE WAY I DO EVERY ONE OF THOSE SPACES HAS GOTTA BE OCCUPIED SEVEN HOURS A DAY, 365 DAYS A YEAR TO PAY OFF. WHAT WE SAY IS, IS THE DEBT SEVEN HOURS A DAY EVERY DAY OF EVERY YEAR TO PAY THAT OFF? AND THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA WORK, BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU NEED TO RETHINK THAT. UH, AND THE OTHER THING IS, I DON'T LIKE, I THINK THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN FOLLOWED HERE IS REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE. WE'RE LOOKING AT LET'S BUILD THE GARAGE AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT LATER. YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL DWELL TIMES AND SPACE OCCUPANCY AND THE RACE THAT YOU CAN CHARGE PRIOR TO GOING AHEAD WITH A HUGE CAPITAL PROJECT LIKE THIS. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN EFFECTIVELY DO IT. IF YOU DO IT THE OTHER WAY, YOU'RE JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON HOW DO YOU GENERATE THE REVENUE THAT'S NEEDED TO, UH, FUND THIS. NOW, I SUGGESTED THAT AS AN OPTION. ONE THING YOU COULD DO IS YOU COULD INSTALL A TEMPORARY LOT AT THE PARKING GARAGE FOR TWO YEARS. PUT INSTALL, MONITORING, GENERATE THE DATA THAT YOU NEED, GET YOUR PARKING MANAGER ON STAFF AND FIGURE THIS OUT BEFORE YOU MOVE AHEAD WITH BUILDING THE GARAGE. MAYBE IT'S NOT NEEDED. THE PARKING STUDY EVEN SHOWED THAT WE DON'T NEED THESE PARKING SPACES FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS. SO WE HAVE TIME TO FIGURE THAT OUT. [05:15:01] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MARK. WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL NOW. WE'LL GO FOR, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE, FROM THE ADE. BRIAN, YOU WANNA START? SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, UH, I STILL FEEL THE SAME AS, UH, PRIOR TO OUR, UH, BREAK, THE LAST BREAK WE TOOK THAT, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT THE, UH, PARKING STUDY FROM NOVEMBER, THAT THERE IS REASONABLE JUSTIFICATION THAT WE NEED TO BUILD A PARKING STRUCTURE. UH, WE WILL TAKE, UH, PARKING EXISTING SURFACE LEVEL PARKING IS GOING TO DISAPPEAR. 4 0 1 JORDAN WILL DISAPPEAR, UH, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IN FACT, AS SOON AS A, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN, RIGHT? SO THE NEED IS THERE. AND, UH, AND I STILL STAND, UH, THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR IT. UM, YOU KNOW, STILL NOT HAPPY WITH , THE PRICE AS EVERYBODY KNOWS. UM, BUT I CAN LIVE WITH IT. ALLAH, WHAT COUNSELOR KINSELLA WAS TALKING ABOUT OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THEORETICAL NUMBER CAN'T GO PAST, OKAY, THIS PROBABLY ISN'T PAST IT. UH, I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I, I CAN LIVE WITH IT. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT, UH, MR. BROOK SHARED, I THINK YOUR OBSERVATIONS ARE RIGHT ON THAT. IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WE WOULD FIGURE OUT SO MANY MORE THINGS BEFORE WE START WRITING CHECKS AT THIS POINT. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M WEIGHING THE BENEFIT OF HAVING GREATER, UM, ACCURACY OF, OF THAT INFORMATION VERSUS THE ALMOST ABSOLUTE, UH, LIKELIHOOD THAT OUR COST WILL GO UP. NOT INSIGNIFICANT TO WAIT, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST ANOTHER 5% BUMP IS ANOTHER $875,000, UH, TO GET THIS THING BUILT. UH, SO WHILE I WOULD MUCH RATHER, UH, GET ALL THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, UH, THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING UNTIL AFTER A PARKING MANAGER COMES ON BOARD. AND AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO THINK THAT THEY COULD GET ALL THIS THING, ALL THIS STUFF FIGURED OUT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, IT WILL TAKE MONTHS. THEY WILL BE IN FRONT OF US ONCE, TWICE EASILY. AND WE'RE NOT EASY, UH, TO GET PAST. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, IF, IF WE SAY WE WANT TO GET ALL OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, WE'RE KICKING THE CAN, I WOULD SAY MINIMUM A YEAR, MOST LIKELY. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COST TO THAT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I DO WANT TO SHARE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WILL CONSIDER THIS AND UH, PERHAPS COMMENT ON THIS AS THEY TAKE THEIR TURNS COMMENTING. UH, I WAS ABLE TO SECURE A COPY OF THE EXCEL FILE THAT, UH, ANNETTE WAS SPEAKING OF. AND SO I'VE PLAYED AROUND WITH IT A LITTLE BIT ON, YOU KNOW, PARKING SCENARIOS. AND WE'VE GOT SOME DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS UP HERE ABOUT WHETHER EXISTING MAIN STREET REVENUE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE CONTRIBUTED TO PAYING FOR THE GARAGE. I KNOW THAT IN NOVEMBER WHEN I SAID, HEY, I WANT THIS TO BE PAID FOR BY THE GARAGE THAT MEANT FEES BY THE GARAGE. I KNOW VICE MAYOR YOU SAID YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, USING SOME OR ALL OF THE EXISTING. AND I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON WHETHER THAT'S GOOD OR BAD. BUT IF YOU GO WITH THE EXAMPLE WHERE THE GARAGE TRULY HAS TO BE SELF-FUNDED, NUMBER ONE, IF YOU ACCEPT THE ASSUMPTIONS AROUND PEAK USAGE, ET CETERA, IF YOU ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GETTING NINE HOURS A DAY OUT OF THAT USAGE, BUT RATHER SIX HOURS A DAY OF USAGE, THEN THE FEE TO COVER THE DEBT SERVICE GETS AROUND $4 75 CENTS AN HOUR. SO MY QUESTION TO MY COLLEAGUES AND WHAT I DEARLY WISH, AGAIN, THAT WE HAD MORE TIME, UH, WOULD ALSO BE TO GET UPTOWN MERCHANTS FEELINGS ABOUT HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PRICE THIS AT 4 75 TO COVER THE DEBT SERVICE? 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT A CRAZY, YOU KNOW, SCENARIO THAT WE COULD WIND UP FACING. AND I LIKE WHAT COUNSELOR KINSELLA SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE BIND OURSELVES IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THAT IT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO SELF-FUND NO MATTER WHAT THAT COST IS. SO I DON'T LIKE IT, I DON'T LIKE HARDLY ANY OF IT OTHER THAN THE FACT I KNOW WE NEED TO GET A GARAGE BUILT. BUT I WILL SUPPORT IT. AND, UH, I, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK YOU, BRIAN? YEAH. JUST TO CLARIFY 'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THE SPREADSHEET. MM-HMM. , ARE YOU TAKING JUST THE GARAGE LIKE YOU, YOU MENTIONED FOR THOSE FIGURES OF 4 75 OR WHATEVER? OR ARE YOU TAKING THE ON STREET PARKING? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE GARAGE. THE 270 SPOTS RIGHT? SIX HOURS A DAY USING THE CITY CALCULATED [05:20:01] OR DETERMINED, UH, PEAK SEASONALITY MODEL BUILT IN AND ALL THAT. AND TO GET TO 1.75 MILLION IN ANNUAL REVENUE, THAT WOULD TAKE A $4 AND 75 CENT HOURLY RATE ON AVERAGE. IF YOU TOOK THE ON STREET PARKING, WHICH THE VICE MAYOR IS CORRECT, THE PARKING ADVISORY, UH, GROUP SAID WE ARE WILLING TO USE THAT MONEY TO FUND THE PARKING GARAGE. SO IF YOU TOOK THAT, IS THAT AN EQUATION YOU CAN ADD IN? YEAH. IS THERE A NUMBER I YEAH. THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY MORE LIKE 3 75. OKAY. YEAH. 3 75. STILL NOT INSIGNIFICANT. RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, EVERYBODY JUST NEEDS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY A LONG WAY FROM $2 AN HOUR. MM-HMM. . WELL, I, I'VE COME TO THE REALIZATION OF $3 AN HOUR IF HAS TO BE. WE COULD BE A LONG WAYS FROM THAT MAYOR. WELL, MAYBE. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THAT, LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T SEE THE, THE SPREADSHEET, BUT I'M FIGURING THE ON STREET PARKING AS WELL. 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE GET GO. AND THE, THE RATES WOULD BE INCREASED BY THE SEASON AND BY USAGE BECAUSE IT WAS DISCOURAGED. THE PEOPLE FROM PARKING, WHICH IS A PREMIUM SPOTS ON THE STREET, GO TO THE FREE PARKING NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARKING LOT THAT'S GOING TO BE PAID. IT SHOULD ALL BE TO WORK TOGETHER. SO, OKAY. I JUST WANTED BE TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MELISSA. IT'S REALLY LATE FOR THESE REALLY HARD FINANCIAL OH, IT'S EARLY YET. WE'RE JUST, JUST SAYING WE'VE GONE LATER. SO. WELL WE HAVE, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT DEBT SERVICES QUITE, QUITE SO LATE. RIGHT? UM, I, I AGREE. UM, SO I, UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR DATA. WE ALL LOVE DATA. THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF US UP HERE WHO THINK DATA'S WONDERFUL, BUT AT SOME POINT YOU REALLY DO GET INTO ANALYSIS PARALYSIS. MM-HMM. . AND AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOTTA TAKE A LEAP OF FAITH BASICALLY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU BELIEVE IT'S THE RIGHT THING OR THE WRONG THING TO DO. I BELIEVE PUTTING IN THE GARAGE AND YEAH. 4 0 1 JORDAN'S GONNA GO AWAY AND, YOU KNOW, WE RELEASE OUR LEASE LOTS AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S LAND SWAPS OR WHATEVER, PARKING'S JUST GONNA CHANGE UP THERE. AND I THINK THAT IT'S NAIVE FOR US, OR MAYBE WISHFUL THINKING FOR US TO SAY THAT THE DAY TRIPPERS ARE GONNA GO AWAY. SO EVEN IF WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN GET PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR CARS AT WHEREVER THEY'RE STAYING AND TAKE OUR TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE IT ALL WORKS PERFECTLY. OKAY. WE'RE ALREADY IN UTOPIAN STATE HERE, RIGHT? UM, DAY TRIPPERS DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PARK. RIGHT? EVEN IF THEY WANT TO USE OUR WONDERFUL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, THEY GOTTA PUT THEIR CARS SOMEWHERE. AND THIS IS BASICALLY WHERE WE'RE TELLING THEM TO PUT THEIR CARS. SO I SEE A NEED, I SEE THAT THE NEED IS GONNA BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME, UNLESS SUDDENLY, UH, WE'RE NO LONGER A TOURIST DESTINATION, WHICH I DON'T SEE HAPPENING IN, IN MY LIFETIME AT LEAST. SO I'M FOR THIS. I'M ALSO CHOKE A LITTLE BIT AT THE NUMBER. UM, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR IT TO BE ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS MORE BECAUSE I DECIDED TO WAIT. RIGHT? OR ANOTHER $15 MILLION MORE BECAUSE WE DECIDED TO WAIT. MM-HMM. . UM, THE OTHER THING WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T FACTOR IN LOT ONE, WHICH HAS QUITE A FEW PARKING SPACES IN IT. AND IF THAT WERE ALSO PART OF OUR, WHICH IS LOT ONE ENTERPRISE FUND LOT ONE, WHICH IS, THAT'S THE BIG LOT. MUNICIPAL LOT. OH, THE MUNICIPAL LOT, OKAY. BIG MUNICIPAL LOT. THE ONE, THE ONE WE ACTUALLY OWN. UM, THAT'S GOT QUITE A LOT OF SPACES. AND SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY FACTORED THAT. AND THERE'S JUST, IT'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS. AND SO FOR ME, THIS IS A LEAP OF FAITH AND I BELIEVE WE NEED, EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA NEED THIS GARAGE. AND IT'S BETTER FOR US TO PAY WHAT WE'RE PAYING NOW THAN TO PAY WHAT WE WOULD BE PAYING TWO YEARS FROM NOW. SO, WOULD I LIKE TO HAVE MORE DATA? YES. AM I GONNA GET MORE DATA? NO. SO, UM, I, I'M IN FAVOR AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE GONNA FINANCE IT. I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, WHICH APPARENTLY IS NOT TONIGHT. . UH, NO. WE, WE GOT, WE'RE GONNA GIVE OPTIONS. YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE GONNA GIVE AN OPTION TONIGHT. WELL, NOT THE FINAL BONDING, NOT RIGHT. OPTION ONE OR TWO. OH SURE. YES. WELL, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE LAST ONE AND WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO AWARD THAT CONTRACT. CONFUSING. I KNOW VICE MAYOR, IT'S NOT MY PRIORITY, BUT I'M GOING TO, BUT IT IS A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. AND I KNOW WHAT I, WHEN I SAY THAT, THAT MY PRIORITIES [05:25:01] ARE GONNA BE PUSHED BACK, BUT IT IS THE WAY IT IS. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO INJECTION WELLS THAT COST FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A FEW YEARS AGO, THAT COST FIVE AND A HALF MILLION A PIECE NOW. RIGHT. AND DOESN'T JUST SENT THAT TODAY. IT DOESN'T GET, DOESN'T GET CHEAPER. I, AND I TRULY WISH DID NOT HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION, BUT THAT'S WHY WE GET PAID A LOT OF MONEY. I SIT UP HERE, THERE YOU GO. UH, THE, I WISH ALL THE, EVERYTHING WAS DOTTED, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, T'S AND I'S AND ALL OF THAT. BUT I TRUST OUR STAFF. I TRUST THAT WE'RE GONNA HIRE A PARKING MANAGER AND THEY ARE GONNA TAKE CARE OF ALL THESE THINGS. I JUST DON'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. AND THERE'S NOBODY ON STAFF WHO CAN DO IT. SO EVEN THOUGH I REALLY WANTED ALL OF THESE DECISIONS TO BE MADE ALREADY AND TO BE FURTHER ALONG, WE'RE NOT. AND THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS. IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE IT JUST BECAUSE IT IS. UH, SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT IT. I, I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE NOT BE ON THE LINE, THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE A CUSHION FOR THE DEBT SERVICE. I ALSO THINK THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS AT ALL. SO I DON'T REALLY PAY FOR PARKING. I MEAN, I DON'T GO PLACES WHERE I PAY FOR PARKING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PARKING COSTS. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW. $4 IS TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE MARKET BEARS IT OR DOESN'T BEAR IT. 'CAUSE I HAVE NO FRAME OF REFERENCE. DO ANY OF YOU, CAN ANYBODY HELP OUT HERE? WHO PAYS FOR PARKING? DEPENDS ON WHERE I AM. I PAY FOR A FLAG. WHERE IS THAT? HERE? YEAH, NO, WE KNOW THAT, THAT, OKAY. DO THEY CHARGE FOR PARKING IN THE GARAGE? AND YES. FLAGSTAFF, WE DON'T HAVE A REAL CENTRAL GARAGE. THERE IS, THERE'S AN UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE IN DOWNTOWN FLAG, AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF IT'S GOT, HAS THE SAME PARKING RATE AS THE SURFACE LOTS DO IN FLAGSTAFF. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION? NO. OKAY. WELL, LET'S MOVE ON. OKAY. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT AMOUNT IS, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO, IT HAS TO BE REALISTIC. I MEAN, WE CAN'T SET IT SO HIGH THAT NOBODY'S GONNA PAY IT. SO WE REALLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE BOUND BY AN UNDERSTANDING TONIGHT WITHOUT A NUMBER. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT IT HAS TO PAY FOR ITSELF. NO GENERAL FUND, MAYBE A LOAN AT THE BEGINNING. I GET THAT PART, BUT NO GENERAL FUND TO SUPPORT IT. JESSICA GUN RULE COMES TO ME, . IT'S, IT'S NEEDED. IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN'T BIND ANY FUTURE COUNSEL TO ANYTHING. SO NO, IT'S THIS COUNCIL, THIS COUNCIL. WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT TO OURSELVES. NO, NO, I KNOW, BUT THIS GARAGE IS GONNA LAST FOR FIF 30 YEARS, 50 YEARS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, AND YOU ALSO HAVE ABSOLUTELY, WELL, YEAH, BUT WE, NO, I UNDERST YOU COULD BIND YOURSELF AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, SOMETHING HAPPENS AND YOU WILL UNBIND YOURSELF, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU, A PINKY OATH IS, IS BASICALLY WHAT BINDING YOURSELF BASICALLY MEANS. ANYWAY. IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME IN COMING, I THINK. I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY. I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND I DON'T THINK IT HAD TO BE THIS MUCH MONEY, BUT IT IS THIS MUCH MONEY BECAUSE IF WE'D HAVE APPROVED IT TWO YEARS AGO, IT WOULD'VE BEEN FIVE TO $8 MILLION LESS. BUT IT IS, PEOPLE WERE HY ABOUT $13 MILLION. SO IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO DIFFERENT. ANYWAY. I SUPPORT IT. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I THINK MELISSA'S POINT THAT, THAT WE, IF WE CHARGE FOR THE MUNICIPAL LOT AS WELL, AND HAVE AND FACTOR THAT INTO, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS GARAGE HAS TO PAY FOR ITSELF. I BELIEVE THAT THE PARKING SYSTEM HAS TO PAY FOR ITSELF. THAT'S, I THINK, THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. AND SO I, I TOTALLY SUPPORT, UM, HAVING THE MONEY FROM THE PARKING METERS AND FROM THE MUNICIPAL LOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS LOT IS SOMETHING I THINK MAKES JUST A LOT OF SENSE. UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF ARBITRARILY SAYING THIS GARAGE HAS TO PAY FOR ITSELF, EVEN [05:30:01] IF IT'S $37 AN HOUR. YOU KNOW, I I, I WOULD LOOK FOR A BROADER BASE AS BROADER BASE OF PAYING FOR THIS AS I COULD. SO I LIKE THAT IDEA. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I TOO, I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT HERE NOW, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD, YOU CAN'T BIND FUTURE CONS COUNCILS, BUT THERE IS SOME MOMENTUM THAT GETS BUILT UP. AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE TONIGHT HAPPEN BECAUSE A FU A PAST COUNCIL PUT THE GARAGE IN FRONT OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER SIM PROJECTS THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE YET AROUND TIL AND THE, YOU KNOW, SOME SHARED USE PATHS AND TRANSIT AND, RIGHT. SO, AND WE'RE HONORING THAT THIS IS IN FRONT OF US NOW. AND SO THERE IS SOME MOMENTUM IN WHAT COUNCIL STATE. AND, AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO HEAR MY COLLEAGUES TALK ABOUT PROTECTING THE GENERAL FUND. AND THAT JUST MEANS THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME TRIGGERS AND WHETHER IT COULD BE JUST A GARAGE, THAT'S WHERE WE GO FIRST AND THEN MAYBE WE RAID THE MAIN STREET FUND IF WE NEED TO, AND DO PAID PARKING UP AT THE MUNICIPAL LOT AND RAISE THE STREET RATES, WHATEVER, RIGHT? WE'LL HAVE ALL THESE TRIGGERS. IT'LL BE A POLICY THAT THE PARKING MANAGER WILL GUIDE US THROUGH AND WE'LL EVENTUALLY MAKE A DECISION. AND, AND I'M HERE IN GREAT SUPPORT FOR PROTECTING THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT. I REGRET THAT THE BUSINESSES AND THE EMPLOYEES AND MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS, THANK YOU, THE TWO, A FEW THAT ARE HERE, UM, ARE, HAVEN'T HEARD THIS CONVERSATION. THEY'RE NOT HERE. AND TO HEAR THE INTENT OF THIS COUNCIL MM-HMM, . UH, BUT I THINK IT WILL HAVE THAT MOMENTUM MOVING FORWARD. AND IT'S IMPORTANT. AND, AND I'M, I'M HAPPY ABOUT THAT. THIS PRICE OF THIS THING IS MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. UH, BUT SO DO THE PRICE OF MEALS IN SEDONA, THEY MAKE ME UNCOMFORTABLE. ME TOO. IT, IT WON'T EVER BE CHEAPER. IT, IT WON'T. ESPECIALLY COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION IS NOT AS COMPETITIVE AS RESIDENTIAL STUFF. AND THERE'S NOT AS MANY PEOPLE AND IT'S JUST NOT EVER GONNA BE CHEAPER. I LOOK FORWARD TO US FIGURING OUT HOW THE GARAGE IS GONNA HELP US ELIMINATE, UH, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PARKING IN OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN UPTOWN. I THINK THAT WILL BE A GREAT STRESS RELIEVER FOR, UH, OUR UPTOWN RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE GARAGE BEING A CATALYST FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THOSE SURFACE LOTS IN UPTOWN. IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST ABOUT PARKING RATES. HOWEVER, THIS COUNCIL IS ALSO GONNA HAVE TO STRUGGLE WITH THINGS LIKE ELIMINATING PARKING MINIMUMS, UH, TO GET, TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WHOEVER OWNS THOSE LOTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM. THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT, AND MIGHT NOT HAPPEN ELIMINATING PARKING MINIMUMS, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO IN THE POT TO GET THOSE, THOSE, UH, UNDERUSED PARCELS OF LAND IN THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART OF OUR TOWN, RIGHT? IN A VERY EXPENSIVE PART OF OUR TOWN ANYHOW. UM, AND RIGHT, MY GOAL, MY HOPE WOULD BE WE WOULD SEE HOUSING GROW, BUT TO DO HOUSING WOULD DEFINITELY MEAN LIKE REDUCING PARKING MINIMUMS BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF. SO 50% OF OUR VISITORS JUST PASS THROUGH, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THE ONES RIDING OUR ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE. AND THEY ARE GONNA NEED A PLACE TO PARK. AND WE WILL BE ELIMINATING SOME CURRENTLY AVAILABLE PARKING LOCATIONS AND UPTOWN. SO THE GARAGE IS NEEDED. IT, IT'S JUST, I WOULD RATHER HAVE DONE THE TRAFFIC PROJECTS FIRST, BUT HERE WE ARE AND I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION B AND OUR FINANCING SCHEME AS WELL. I THINK THAT WAS A VERY CLEVER, UH, LOOK AT WHAT TO DO, KATHY. THANK YOU. I LOOK AT THIS FROM THREE SIDES. THE FIRST IS, IS THERE A NEED FOR THE PARKING? AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN NOVEMBER AND TONIGHT, I WAS COMPELLED BY THAT TO CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS AS WELL AS, AS I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER, THE NEVER ENDING LIST OF CITATIONS THAT ARE ISSUED UPTOWN BECAUSE OF PARKING. UM, THE LACK OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE 4 0 1 JORDAN. UM, THE COMMENTARY THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BY NOT JUST BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT EMPLOYEES AND THESE BUSINESS OWNERS AND EMPLOYEES, MAY I POINT OUT, HAVE LOCAL ADDRESSES. THEY ARE ALSO RESIDENTS. I MEAN, MANY OF THE EMAILS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, OR AT LEAST I HAVE RECEIVED MORE, MANY MORE EMAILS IN FAVOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE GOING FORWARD THAN I HAVE OPPOSING THE PARKING GARAGE. UM, AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THOSE ARE LOCAL ADDRESSES. JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS AN EMPLOYEE OR A BUSINESS OWNER DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT ALSO A RESIDENT INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH THE BEST INTEREST AT HEART FROM A RESIDENTIAL POINT OF VIEW. UM, [05:35:01] SO AGAIN, THE NEED I THINK IS THERE. THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT, BASED ON WHAT I JUST SAID, I BELIEVE HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED. AND THE THIRD COMPONENT FOR ME IS THE FUNDING. AND I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE PARKING SYSTEM IS ONE COMPREHENSIVE UNIT, AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AS ONLY JUST THE PARKING GARAGE FUNDING THE GARAGE, BUT THE PARKING SYSTEM, WHEREVER THOSE, WHETHER IT'S ON STREET, WHETHER THERE'S EVENTUALLY A, UH, UM, PRICE FOR THE FREE PARKING LOT, UM, THAT ALL HAS TO BE FACTORED IN AS ONE AND COORDINATED THROUGH A PARKING MANAGER. I'M VERY ANXIOUS FOR THE POSITION TO COME ON BOARD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THESE POLICY DISCUSSIONS. UM, I ALSO AM INTERESTED IN TWO THINGS. WHAT I SPOKE ABOUT BEFORE, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SUPPORT FOR GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF AS ANNETTE, UM, UM, POINTED OUT TO COME BACK WITH THE MODEL THAT DOES NOT PROJECT A DEFICIT. UM, COUNSELOR FOLTZ DID SOME OF THAT MATH OVER THERE, BUT DIDN'T TAKE IN ALL OF THE PROJECTIONS. IT WAS KIND OF A PENCIL ON THE FLY NAPKIN TYPE OF THING. I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS COME FORWARD. I DON'T WANNA SEE A DEFICIT. I DO WANT TO PROTECT THE GENERAL FUND. UM, AND THOSE ARE MY, MY POINTS WITH THAT COMING FORWARD. I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE PART TO EXPECT WITH THIS. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SEE WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT APPROVING ACTUAL BONDS THAT TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION. UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, TO BRING THAT BOND DOWN FURTHER, I'M IN SUPPORT OF OPTION B, WHICH I THINK WAS A CREATIVE COMPONENT TO TRY TO SAVE MONEY OVER THE LIFE OF THIS TO SAVE MONEY UPFRONT ON THIS, TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT TO PRESERVE OUR CREDIT. UH, I WANNA THANK YOUR ORGANIZATION VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, YOUR GUIDANCE AND YOUR HELP IN COMING TO THESE CONCLUSIONS. UM, ANNETTE, THANK YOU. I KNOW ANDY, YOU GUYS WERE REALLY A PART OF IT AS WELL. UM, OUR INTERIM FINANCE MANAGER, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN MORE THAN ANY OTHER TOPIC SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. MANY THINGS HAVE BEEN MAYBE MORE EMOTIONAL. MANY THINGS HAVE BEEN MAYBE MORE PERSONAL, EVEN MORE CONTROVERSIAL, MORE DI DIVISIVE, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT MORE THAN THIS PARKING GARAGE. PARKING GARAGE HAS BEEN 20 YEARS UNDER DISCUSSION AND THE LAST FIVE YEARS BECAUSE ACTUALLY THIS WAS APPROVED TO GO FORWARD TO GET US TO THIS POINT BEFORE, UM, VICE MAYOR AND I ACTUALLY ASSUMED OUR SEATS UP HERE. UM, SO THIS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND YOU CANNOT KEEP KICKING THE CAN EVERY TIME CANS GET KICKED. IT'S COME BACK TO BITE US IN TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC AREAS. SO I AM, I AM SUPPORTING THE GARAGE FOR THOSE REASONS. UM, I ALSO JUST DID WANNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN, UH, PERSONALLY IMPORTANT TO ME ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES. AND I DO WANNA GET ON THE RECORD THAT I DO THINK HAVING A, A GARAGE UP THERE AND ONE CENTRAL LOCATION IS A BETTER ALTERNATIVE FOR EVACUATION PLANNING AND FOR SAFETY MEASURES THAN HAVING DISPERSED PARKING THROUGHOUT. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPINIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT I, I CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION AFTER OUR NOVEMBER DISCUSSIONS AND, UM, I DO SO LONG RANGE PLANNING AGAIN. I DO THINK THAT THERE'S BENEFITS TO THIS. SO I THINK I COVERED OPTION B DIRECTION THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE GIVEN IF THERE'S AGREEMENT, UM, AND GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, I TO SUPPORT OPTION B, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS I WAS MENTIONED HERE, BUT ALSO SOME THAT WEREN'T SUCH AS, THERE WILL, THERE'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY OF MORE REDUCTION IN PARKING IN UPTOWN BECAUSE THE HYATT SHOPS HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, VALIDATING TO ONLY THEIR GUESTS. UH, AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF PARKING. SO THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. UH, AS, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA SAID, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GETTING A CITATION. WELL, I'VE RECEIVED NOT A LOT, BUT, UH, EMAIL SOME RESIDENT. YOU RECEIVED THE CITATION? YEAH, NO, I DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE I PARKED WITH FREE . BUT, UH, I'LL DRIVE AROUND FOR THAT HOUR. BUT, UH, I RECEIVED EMAILS FROM PEOPLE COMPLAINING. I'M SURE KURT GETS, HAS GOT RECEIVED EMAILS AS WELL. PEOPLE COMPLAINING WHO LIVE HERE, OUR RESIDENTS. I RECEIVED THE TICKETS $125 OR 125 OR 150, DEPENDING EITHER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND I SAID, WELL, YOU WERE ILLEGALLY PARKED, SO YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER WHERE TO PARK. BUT THERE WAS NO PLACE TO PARK BECAUSE ON, ON A, YOU KNOW, HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES DURING, UH, SPRING BREAK, THERE IS NO PLACE TO PARK. UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, WE NEED DO, [05:40:01] NEED MORE PARKING. UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE FROM THE AUDIENCE SAYING, WELL, SPEND MORE TIME, DO MORE RESEARCH. IT'S JUST GONNA COST US MORE MONEY. SO THE RESEARCH THAT WE WOULD BE MAYBE SAVING A FEW BUCKS COULD COST US A LOT MORE BY WAITING. AND THAT'S THE, BEEN THE PROOF BY PUTTING THIS OFF THE LAST TWO OR THREE TIMES, IT'S JUST GONNA COST MORE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA GO DOWN. SO I AM SUPPORTING THIS MOVING FORWARD. UH, I DO WANT TO, UH, ALSO TOUCH ON SOMETHING THAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA SAID ABOUT THE EVACUATION. I THINK THAT HAVING FRACTURED PARKING, IT'S ADDING TO TRAFFIC AND WILL ADD TO THE, THE, UH, PROBLEM OF EVACUATION. HAVING A PARKING GARAGE, WHICH WE WERE ALL TOLD, LEAVE THE PARKING GARAGE, MAKE AN IMMEDIATE RIGHT DOWN FOREST ROAD AND YOU'RE OUT. THAT'S THE BEST AND QUICKEST WAY TO GET OUT. SO THE PE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PASSIONATE RESIDENTS WHO SAY IT'S GONNA ADD TO THE, UH, EVACUATION PROBLEM. AND I THINK NOT IF IT WASN'T FOR, UH, COUNCILOR FOLTZ MAKING THIS SUGGESTION ABOUT MAKING CHANGES ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS. IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER. AND IF WE WANNA HAVE PEOPLE GETTING OUT IN UPTOWN, BUT WE WANNA CATER TO THE BUSINESSES, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE YES, THAT'S WHERE WE, OUR, OUR SALES TAX MONEY COMES FROM. SO WE NEED TO CATER TO THEM AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS. SO, UH, JUST TO, TO CLOSE, I WILL SUPPORT OPTION B AND I THINK, ANNETTE, YOU DID A GREAT JOB. ALL YOUR STAFF DID A FABULOUS JOB. EVERYBODY HERE WAS FABULOUS. UH, BRIAN, JUST GIMME ONE SECOND TO FINISH OUT AND, UM, YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I DON'T WANNA TAKE THE, UH, WELL, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN DIRECTION, BUT BRIAN, GO AHEAD. I DIDN'T WEIGH IN ON THE FINANCING OPTION. SO, UH, ALTERNATIVE B. OKAY. UH, AGAIN, KUDOS TO STAFF FOR COMING UP WITH THAT. LIKED IT FOR ALL THE REASONS AS PREVIOUSLY STATED. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO YOU WANT, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T WEIGH IN. SO, UH, YOU, YOU DIDN'T WEIGH IN EITHER. I THOUGHT YOU DID. I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU. OKAY. I DIDN'T THEN PLEASE. SO I'M JUST GONNA GO WITH THE CROWD BECAUSE WHY NOT? UM, I, I LIKED ALTERNATE B IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET THAT FROM MY COMMENTS TO ANNETTE EARLIER. UM, I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR US TO, TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION. THANK YOU. SO WE'VE ALL WAITED ON THAT AND THEN SOMEBODY FROM THE DAY SAID THEY WISH THEY COULD HAVE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY, A BUSINESS OWNER HERE OR WE DO HAVE A BUSINESS OWNER. DO YOU, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING? DO YOU STILL WANNA SPEAK? UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE. OKAY. THEN STEP UP TO THE MIC. WE'LL OPEN. WE DON'T NOBODY TRY NOT TO DO THIS, BUT, SO YEAH, I JUST ASKED TO HEAR FROM MY BUSINESS OWNER. MY NAME IS, I UNDERSTAND. STEVEN COOK AND NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. I LIVE IN SEDONA. OKAY. UM, I, THE THING THAT I HADN'T SEEN MENTIONED IN ALL THE PRESENTATIONS I FEEL LIKE IS AS A BUSINESS MANAGER AND I'M LOOKING AT THE BALANCE SHEET AND THE WAY THAT, UM, THE FINANCES ARE PROJECTED AND THE DEBT SERVICE AND THINGS. UM, IS THERE ANY, UM, IMPACT WITH THE, IS THERE AN EXPECTED INCREASE IN, UH, SALES TAX REVENUE BY ADDING MORE PARKING SPACES AT ALL? OH, WELL WE CAN'T, WELL WE CAN'T ANSWER FROM AT THIS POINT. WE CAN'T. WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK SO. FINISH THE TIME AND YEAH, I JUST THINK THAT, UM, ON THE BUSINESS SIDE, OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME FINDING A PLACE TO PARK. WE'RE WILLING TO ADJUST WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET TO WORK. MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD WE'LL ASK THAT THERE'S LIKE A DESIGNATED EMPLOYEE SPACE, BUT IT COULD BE THE WORST ONES OR THE ONES THAT AREN'T BEING USED. WHATEVER IT IS. RIGHT. LET'S JUST, WE NEED TO HAVE A PLACE TO WHERE WE CAN GUARANTEE THEY CAN GET TO WORK. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S BEEN AN HOUR BEING LATE AT WORK, RIGHT? THAT'S ABOUT IT. IT WAS A SALES SEX THING WAS MY JOB. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. DID YOU WANT TO, YOU SAID YOU WERE, YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE GONNA JUST ANSWER SOMETHING NOW, RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, JESSICA, THIS IS, I'M READY FOR A MOTION. WELL, THERE'S NO MOTION FOR THIS. THIS IS GIVING, I'M GOING BACK TO THE APPROVAL FOR THIS. WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO, TO A MOTION ON THE FIRST ISSUE. OKAY. YEAH, I GOT IT RIGHT HERE. OKAY, GO FOR IT. . I'M SORRY. BUT, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. IS THERE, BEFORE WE GET TO THE MOTIONS, 'CAUSE YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO THROUGH THEM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. I AM. DO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE DIRECTION TO MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE THAT, ABOUT THIS BEING BINDING IT TO BEING SELF-FUNDING? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE. THIS IS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION. COULD YOU PLEASE WAIT, WE'RE NOT DONE YET. THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM WHAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMS WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE APPROVAL OF THE CON THE CMAR AND THE ARCHITECTURE. I THOUGHT SHE WAS GONNA GO BOOM, BOOM, BOOM THROUGH THE ALL. OKAY. SHE WILL. UM, AND IT'S NOT FOR, FOR VOTE TONIGHT ON THE, ON THE BINDING. THAT'S, I'M, THAT'S NOT A VOTE. THAT'S WHERE I'M STILL THAT BE A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER, ANOTHER NIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. I THINK I HEARD A MAJORITY, AT LEAST WE WERE UNANIMOUS THAT DIRECTION ON OPTION B AND WE'LL WORK WITH MR. REEDER TO PREPARE ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATIONS NECESSARY AND [05:45:01] BRING 'EM BACK TO, UM, I ASSUME JUNE 11TH AS IN THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE. IT'S IN THE BOOK. AND, AND I, I'LL, I'LL, I'M SUPPORTIVE. THE KATHY'S IDEA OF THE CITY MANAGER KIND OF JUST UPDATING A REVENUE PROJECTION DOCUMENT BASED ON KIND OF THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD HERE AS WELL. OKAY. IF A DOCUMENT. SURE. YEP. SO WELL SHOWING, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY. UM, WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT, UM, WHEN THE DOCUMENTS COME BACK TO YOU FOR, UM, THE RESOLUTION ADOPTION THAT THE, UH, SPREADSHEET SHOWING THE STRUCTURE OF THE DEBT AND THE FINANCING, IT SHOWS IT'S BALANCED. SURE. CORRECT. YEAH. THANK YOU. NOW ACTUALLY AT CUSHION, I, I MEAN I KNOW THE VICE MAYOR SAID THAT MULTIPLE TIMES OF NOT JUST BALANCE BUT HAVE A CUSHION, SO, OKAY. WHATEVER A CUSHION IS EXACTLY. DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMETHING MORE THAN A BALANCE. RIGHT. AND I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE JUST USING THE REV REVENUE FROM THE GARAGE. I USE IT ALL JUST ON THAT. JESSICA, I KNOW YOU, YOU'RE WAITING WITH BATED BREATH. WELL, I FIGURE IF WE DO A MOTION, WE'LL MOVE ON AND THEN EVENTUALLY THE MEETING WILL END IT, IT WILL, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPEFUL. SO I HAVE MAKE A MOTION. PLEASE MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE AWARD OF A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE UPTOWN SEDONA PARKING GARAGE PROJECT TO MCCARTHY BUILDING COMPANIES INC. IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $17,545,098, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY PROCUREMENT OFFICER AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. OKAY. OKAY. I MOVE TO GRANT THE CITY MANAGER AUTHORIZATION TO APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH GABOR LAURENT ARCHITECTS, INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $154,700 FOR ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH DESIGN OF THE UPTOWN SEDONA PARKING GARAGE. ONE, ONE CORRECTION, $70 $154,070. OKAY. $154,070 FOR ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS. I BELIEVE. RIGHT. OKAY. WAS THERE ONE MORE OR YOU'RE GOOD? NOPE, THERE'S, JUST BECAUSE WE COVERED THE MOTION, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE ON PAGE 2 49. OKAY. CORRECT KURT. YEAH. NO MOTION. JUST DIRECTION. AND COUNSEL'S ALREADY PROVIDED THAT DIRECTION. OKAY. OKAY. ITEM C 30 52. DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION. UH, GENTLEMEN, YOU CAN LEAVE IF YOU, IF YOU WELL STAY IF YOU REALLY WANT TO. I MEAN, WHAT THE YOU, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY. I KNOW MARK'S GONNA STAY THE REST OF THE NIGHT. HE ALWAYS DOES. DISCUSSION, [8.c. AB 3052 Discussion/possible direction regarding ideas for possible resolutions for consideration by League of Arizona Cities and Towns’ Policy Committees as part of the League's legislative agenda for 2025.] POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR POSSIBLE RESOLUTION FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE LEAGUE OF ARIZONA SEASON TOWNS POLICY COMMITTEES AS PART OF THE, UH, LEAGUE, UH, LEAGUES LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR 2020. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, UH, IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR THE LEAGUE RESOLUTION, UH, WAS TALKING WITH THE LEAGUE STAFF. THEY DID, UH, RECOMMEND THE, THE PSAC, UH, WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE COM COMMITTEE TO, UH, SUBMIT THIS TO. SO IT WOULD BE THROUGH COUNCILOR FURMAN. UH, THEY DID STATE THAT THEY HAVE A, ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, THEY HAVE SOMEONE APPOINTED TO, TO CHANGE THOSE THAT CAN MAKE A, MAKE A CHANGE ON THAT IF THEY DECIDE TO. BUT THEY ALL FEEL LIKE THE PSM WOULD BE THE ONE THAT THIS WOULD END UP ON. UM, AND THEN I HAVE A, A ATTEMPTED TO DRAFT WHAT I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD PASS. I KNOW IT FEELS LIKE THERE COULD BE SOME OPPOSITION TO THIS POLICY FROM THE LARGER CITIES WITH POLICE UNIONS WHO DO RELY ON THIS WORK. UM, THE OVERTIME PAY, UH, TO INCREASE THEIR SALARIES. UH, SO IT MIGHT BE A SMALLER CITY ISSUE. AND SO HENCE I THREW THAT IN THERE. UM, THIS WOULD JUST BE THE PROPOSAL. WE WOULD WORK ON IT WITH LEAGUE COUNCIL, LEAGUE STAFF AND ALSO THE LEAGUE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND OTHER COMMITTEES WOULD HAVE A SAY ON WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE AS WELL. SO I THINK IT WAS A, A GOOD START. BUT I'M HERE, UH, TO GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AND, AND THEN COUNCIL CAN DECIDE ULTIMATELY WHETHER TO SUBMIT THIS AS A POLICY TO THE LEAGUE OR NOT. THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH, KURT, I THINK THIS ALSO WAS A, A GOOD START. UH, QUESTIONS I HAD FOR YOU. SPECIFICALLY THE WORDS TRAFFIC FLAGGER FLAGGER EDUCATION COURSE AND RECEIVE TRAFFIC CONTROL CERTIFICATION. ARE THOSE DEFINED TERMS SOMEWHERE, UH, ANDY JUST LEFT, BUT THEY ARE, THERE IS A TRAFFIC FLAGGER COURSE EDUCATION COURSE, UH, THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO USE. AND THEN THERE IS SOME TYPE OF TRAFFIC CONTROL CERTIFICATION THAT THEY CAN CURRENTLY BE AWARDED. UM, I, THERE WOULD BE [05:50:01] SOME I DIDN'T DISCUSS WITH HIM DIRECTLY, BUT I THINK THOSE WOULD NEED TO PROBABLY BE TIMED UP AND OR DEFINED. YEAH. AND IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY DEFINED ALREADY IN TITLE 28 SOMEWHERE, WHICH I THINK ONE OF THEM IS AT LEAST, YEAH. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY MIGHT BE. OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, IF IT REALLY IS THE ADOT TRAER TRAFFIC CORRECT. FLAGGER EDUCATION COURT TO CALL THAT OUT SO PEOPLE GET THAT QUESTION ANSWERED RIGHT. WHEN THEY'RE READING THE LANGUAGE MIGHT JUST BE HELPFUL FOR THOSE OBJECTIONS. AND THEN ALSO I THOUGHT ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ISSUE CITATIONS. 'CAUSE THAT'LL BE ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT IS GONNA COME UP AS WELL. MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE THE BULL BY THE HORNS AND PUT IT RIGHT OUT THERE THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A CITATION ISSUING THING. OR MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S UP TO LOTS OF FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT THERE, THERE'RE JUST ISSUES LIKE THAT THAT WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT IN THE WORDING THAT WILL NO TAKE ON THE UH, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. AND WE OKAY. WE CAN'T JUST ONLY FOR THE FACT. YEP. YOU, YOU'RE GONNA PUT A A CS C-F-A-C-S-A, WHATEVER, T-S-A-X-Y-Z, WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA PUT OUT THERE. AND WHAT ARE PEOPLE GONNA DO? OH, THEY, HE, THE PERSON DOESN'T STOP. AND WHAT'S THE PERSON THEY SEE US A GONNA DO? OH BYE. SEE YA. AS OPPOSED TO HE STOPS AND HE GIVES HIM A CITATION, IS HE GONNA CALL A POLICE OFFICER? 'CAUSE THE POLICE OFFICER HAS TO WITNESS THE CRIME, THE VIOLATION, CORRECT. RIGHT. NO, NOT NECESSARILY. THE POLICE OFFICER CAN JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CRIME, MOST CRIMES AREN'T WITNESSED BY POLICE OFFICERS AND YET THEY STILL WILL MAKE ARRESTS BASED ON WITNESS TESTIMONY. SO, UM, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. YEAH, I I, I UNDERSTAND MAYOR, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE OBJECTIONS ARE GONNA BE TO NO, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK PERSONALLY THAT WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH ADOT ZONES AND THE PERSON IS THERE IN THE ORANGE VEST, YOU PAY ATTENTION. I THINK 90% OF THE DRIVERS ARE GONNA PAY ATTENTION. RIGHT. AND, AND WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT MAYBE PASSING SOMETHING THAT 90% OF THE DRIVERS ARE GONNA WORK ON AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, 10% WILL HAVE PROBLEMS AND, BUT WE SHOULDN'T KILL THE PROJECT. I I GET IT FOR THAT. TO ME IT'S, IT'S, BUT IF IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MARK PATROL CAR OR ANYTHING TO STOP THEM AND DO, TO ISSUE A CITATION ANYWAY. OKAY. IF THEY, IF THEY GOT THROUGH THEY BEST THEY'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO DO IS, IS RADIO PD AND LET 'EM KNOW SOMEONE, A VEHICLE THAT VIOLATED THE DIRECTION. AND THEN THE OTHER IDEA MAYBE FOR LANGUAGE IS SOMETHING ABOUT HIGH, HIGH TOURISM LOAD CITIES OR CONGESTED TRAFFIC ZONES OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT SORT OF RELIEVES OTHER CITIES OBJECTION TO WANTING TO DO THIS. SO THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT DISTINGUISH SEDONA AS WHY WE GOTTA DO IT LIKE THE CITY ON HIGHWAY 1 79. MAYBE WE CAN'T GET THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION. I I, WHAT I'VE LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PUSHBACK BECAUSE THE NAME SEDONA IS IN IT. YEAH. BESIDES THIS IS, OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. BUT BECAUSE WE, WE ASK FOR A LOT OF THINGS. SO THAT'S, THAT IS, YES. JESSICA, NO, YOU ARE FINISHING. I'M JUST PUTTING MY HAND UP TO BE WHAT BE NEXT IN LINE. OKAY. SO, UM, THAT, AND THAT'S I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THINGS ARE KNOCKED DOWN, BUT ALSO IF THEY JUST SWEEP A WHOLE BUNCH OF 'EM OUT AND DON'T GO FORWARD WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MANY AND THAT THESE SMALL ONES, LIKE WITH THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN GOT SWEPT OUT ALSO BECAUSE IT WAS JUST TOO MANY. JESSICA WANTS TO GO FIRST. I KNOW. SO YOU CAN GO AFTER HER. THAT'S WHY I WAS RAISING MY HAND TO GET IN LINE. GO AHEAD JESSICA. I THINK THAT THIS IS THE ARIZONA LEAGUE AND WE SHOULD MAKE IT GENERIC AND NOT JUST FOR SEDONA. AND THE OTHER THING IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT OTHER SMALL TOWNS MIGHT NOT THINK THIS WAS A, MIGHT NOT HAVE USE FOR THIS. SO I THINK THE NUMBER IS REALLY A GOOD, IS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO GO. OKAY. KATHY? I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR. I AGREE. I DON'T THINK THE NAME SHOULD BE IN THERE. IT'S NOT ABOUT RIGHT. THIS IS POLICY FOR CERTAIN SUCH HOUSE OR NOT. RIGHT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? I MEAN, BASED ON THAT I DO LIKE BOTH THE COUNCILOR FURMAN'S SUGGESTIONS, ADDING AN A AT LEAST FOR NOW UNTIL WE CAN BETTER DEFINE IT AND OR FIND A DEFINITION ALREADY IN THE STATE, UH, LAW. AND THEN ALSO THAT I DON'T SEE A REALLY A GOOD WAY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE CITATIONS FOR MOVING VIOLATIONS. UM, THEY, THEY'RE ABLE TO, FOR PARKING VIOLATIONS, THE CAR STOPPED. OKAY. UM, AND SO IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY IMPLIED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. UH, BUT IT MIGHT BE BEST TO JUST TO CALL THAT OUT. QUE QUESTION FOR YOU, KURT. YES. UM, THE, THE 200, THE, I'M SORRY THE 25,000 POPULATION NUMBER IS, THAT'S WHAT'S, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT 75,000 WAS SORT OF A NUMBER THAT WAS USED WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT VARIOUS LAWS THAT WERE COMING FORWARD. SHOULD IT MAKING THIS, WHAT'S THE STRATEGY BEHIND 25,000 AND WOULDN'T 75,000 BE MORE IN LINE WITH POLICIES THAT THEY ARE NORMALLY LOOKING AT? SO MY ONLY, I DON'T REALLY CARE. I'M JUST LOOKING TO, MY ONLY THOUGHT ON THE 25,000 WAS IT, IT [05:55:01] INCLUDED LESS CITIES AND SMALLER CITIES THAT MIGHT HAVE A LARGER NEED. AND SO IT WAS LESS LIKELY TO BE YEAH. CONTROVERSIAL AT THE, AT THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL. THAT'S GOOD REASONING. UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT 75,000 MAKES THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A MAGIC NUMBER. 'CAUSE SO MANY THINGS ARE 75,000. THAT'S MY QUESTION. 5,000. I DON'T CARE. OKAY. UH, ANYTHING ELSE? KURT? THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE ONLY PROPOSAL YOU HAVE. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY, UH, PROPOSES PROPOSED BY VICE MAYOR. UM, THE ONLY ONE AND THE ONLY ONE THAT'S COME FORWARD. SO WE, THIS ONE IS FOR ACTION. IF, UM, WE WANTED TO, UH, SUBMIT THIS, CAN PETE'S GONNA, UH, SUBMIT THAT TO HIS GROUP? IT IS THROUGH THE COMMITTEE HE'S ASSIGNED TO. YEP. BUT WE'D STILL JUST NEED A MOTION FOR COUNCIL TO SUBMIT THIS. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, PLEASE. I MOVE TO SUBMIT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO A RS 28 DASH 6 27 E REGARDING THE UNARMED POLICE AIDS TO THE LEAGUE OF CONFERENCE LEAGUE OF ARIZONA CITIES AND TOWNS FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE LEAGUE'S 2025 LEGISLATIVE POLICY AGENDA AS AMENDED TONIGHT. WE JUST AMENDED IT, RIGHT? YES. YEAH, YOU CAN ADD AS AMENDED. I'LL SECOND THAT. JESSICA, UH, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ZERO COURT. [8.d. AB 3027 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona. ] YOU'RE UP. ITEM D, AB 30 27. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION. ACTION. REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT-TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION AND STATE BUDGET AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA. BEFORE I LOSE MY VOICE. TOTALLY. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO, UH, THERE'S BEEN NO PUBLIC MOVEMENT ANYWAY ON THE, ON THE STATE BUDGET. THEY CONTINUE TO HOLD MEETINGS, THE GOVERNOR, UM, AND THE LEGISLATURE, UH, THE, THE FINANCE COMMITTEES AND THE, THE SENATE AND THE PRESIDENT. UH, BUT NOTHING HAS PUBLICLY BEEN PRESENTED. SO, UH, WE'RE STILL JUST KIND OF IN A HOLDING POUND IN THERE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BUDGET AND THE DEFICIT. UH, THE SHORTFALL IN THE BUDGET, UH, THERE WERE THREE BILLS, UH, THAT WERE PASSED LAST WEDNESDAY OUT OF THE SENATE. THEY WERE ALL HOUSE BILLS THAT PASSED THE SENATE WITH AMENDMENTS. SO NOW THEY'VE BEEN SENT BACK TO THE HOUSE, UM, FOR AMENDMENTS, UH, OR TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS FOR SOME CONFERENCE COMMITTEES. AND ALL THREE ARE UP FOR VOTE TOMORROW. UM, THE FIRST ONE'S THE A DU BILL, UH, HP 20 S 20, UM, IT PASSED THE SENATE LAST WEDNESDAY, 17, 17 TO 11. UH, THE AMENDMENT IN THERE, UM, UH, IS, IT ADDS IN THE, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE A, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DU AND IT'S GONNA BE USED AS SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEN THE OWNER MUST OCCU MUST RESIDE ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THAT BILL ORIGINALLY WITHOUT THAT, PASSED THE HOUSE, UM, 46 TO 14. SO I HAD PRETTY STRONG SUPPORT IN THE HOUSE. UM, AND SO NOW IT'S GOING BACK. UH, WE HAVEN'T ASKED BY LEAGUE TO WEIGH IN TOMORROW OWN OPPOSITION, UH, TO THAT BILL BECAUSE IT'S NOT A, IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO COMPLETELY, UM, USE A, USE AS SHORT TERM RENTALS. UH, SO I AM DRAFTING JUST A RESPONSE TO THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS ON THAT ONE. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE, UM, AMENABLE TO OUR PLIGHT HERE WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, THE LEAGUE HAS PROPOSED THAT IF THEY WOULD JUST ALLOW THE SHORT, ALL THE NEW ADUS TO BE PROHIBITED FROM BEING USED AS SHORT TERM RENTALS BLANKET WISE, AND THEN ALSO TO COPY CALIFORNIA'S A DU BILL AND ALLOW, RETAIN SOME ABILITY TO CONTROL THE, THE AESTHETICS OF A SHORT TERM RENTAL SO THAT IT MATCHES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOMES. UH, THAT THEN THE, THE, THE CITIES, THE LEAGUE AND THE, THE MAJOR CITIES AFFECTED BY THE A DU PORTION WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE AND THEY'RE HOPING JUST TO, UH, GET THOSE FEW AMENDMENTS IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE BILL. SO THAT'S 27, 20. UH, THE SECOND ONE IS THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS. UH, BILL HP 2275, UH, THAT'S THE ONE WHERE IF YOU ANY CITY OR UM, HAS A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ABOVE $500,000, THAT IT WOULD BE A COPY WOULD BE SENT TO REPORT SENT TO THE GOVERNOR, THE PRESIDENT, UM, AND THE SPEAKER, UH, PRESIDENT, THE SENATE, AND SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. AND, UM, JUST IF IT'S ABOUT 500,000, ONCE IT'S AT A MILLION, THEN IT GOES TO ACTUALLY THE, SOME FINANCE COMMITTEES IN BOTH THE, THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE. AND THEY GET TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE COMMENTS. UH, DOES DELAY SETTLEMENTS AGREEMENTS BY, UH, 90 DAYS. UM, GENERALLY WE DON'T, IT DID ONE AMENDMENT FROM THE SENATE IS IT WOULD EXEMPT, UM, PERSONAL INJURY CLAIMS. SO, UM, OUR SLIP AND FALL CASES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, WE MIGHT, UH, I I MEAN I, I THINK THOSE ARE ONES THAT GENERALLY AREN'T GONNA HAVE A STATEWIDE CONCERN. OH, OH, I SEE. YEAH. [06:00:01] 'CAUSE THEY'RE SO INDIVIDUALIZED. A A PERSONAL INJURY CLAIM IS GONNA BE NO, I MEAN, I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE GENESIS OF THE, OF THE ORIGINAL LAW. OH, THE, THE GEN THE THEY STATE IN THE LAW THAT IT'S ISSUED STATEWIDE CONCERN HOW PUBLIC MONIES ARE SPENT AND THAT THE CITIES ARE SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE. WOULDN'T PUBLIC MONEY ? WELL, SOMETHING HAPPENED. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DO YOU MR. JONES? THERE'S A CASE. THERE'S A CASE. OH, OF COURSE THERE'S A CASE. RIGHT? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE FORWARD THOUGH. IS THAT YEAH, I KNOW THE, THE LAST ONE, AND I HAVEN'T BROUGHT THIS ONE UP BEFORE. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST A MINOR ONE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA PASS. THERE IS A STATE PREEMPTION ON BACKYARD FOULS, SO CHICKENS IN THE BACKYARD, . UM, OUR LIMITATION IS FOUR FOR SMALLER LOTS AND SIX ON LARGER HALF ACRE. LOTS ARE BIGGER. IT WOULD PREEMPT US AND EVERYONE'S GONNA BE ALLOWED TO HAVE SIX CHICKENS. THE SETBACKS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND THE SIZE OF THE CHICKEN COOPS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR US. SO I HASN'T REALLY HAVEN'T BROUGHT IT UP TO COUNCIL BEFORE, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE THAT ONE'S GONNA GO FORWARD. SO IN THE NEXT LDC UPDATES, YOU'LL SEE A FEW, UH, CHANGES IN OUR BACKYARD FILE, UM, ORGAN UH, ORDINANCE. OKAY. SO I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. IN THE A DU BILL THAT'S COME OVER BACK TO THE HOUSE, THEY ADDED THE OWNER OCCUPIED PIECE THAT WAS NOT IN THE HOUSE VERSION. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S AT LEAST THAT'S IN THERE. IT'S, IT'S PART WAY OF WHAT WE'D BE INTERESTED IN. YEAH. BUT IT'S NOT THE COMPLETE PACKAGE. LAST TIME WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, IT WAS UNANIMOUS COUNCIL SUPPORT FOR ADUS. IF WE COULD MAKE SURE THEY WEREN'T SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THIS, THIS HAS ISSUES BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BEING, UM, A LOT OF OUR OWNERS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE LLCS AND CORPORATIONS AND HOW DO THEY, UH, RESIDE ON THE PROPERTY. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU'RE GONNA DEFINE THAT. SO, WELL, THEY JUST DON'T BUILD AN A DU. THAT'S HOW THEY LEGALLY. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU KURT. UH, [8.e. Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items. ] ITEM E ITEM E. DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. COUNCILOR KINSELLA, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES, I DO. UM, I'M PROPOSING THAT WE HAVE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSS REOPENING EXPLORATION OF POSSIBLE LOCATIONS FOR A BYPASS ROAD THAT WOULD CONNECT 1 79 TO POTENTIALLY WEST SEDONA. UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM TO TALK ABOUT OPENING DIALOGUE WITH THE APPROPRIATE AGENCIES THAT MIGHT BE POTENTIAL PARTNERS OR WOULD AT LEAST BE THE, UH, PARTIES WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH IN EXPLORING THESE. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A MEETING COMING UP SOON WITH THE VERDE VALLEY TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION. UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY INFORMATION THAT COMES OUT OF THAT MEETING, AN AGENDA ITEM WOULD ENABLE US TO THEN JUST HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION OF THAT AND ANY RESPONSE WE MIGHT WANNA HAVE TO THAT. UM, AS WELL AS ENABLE, UH, HAVING THIS AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM WOULD ALLOW STAFF TO START DOING RESEARCH TO BRING FORWARD TO US FOR CONSIDERATION OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE TO PURS PURSUE, PURSUE THIS. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AROUND THIS. UM, ALWAYS UNDER THE PRETEXT OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SHOT DOWN. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, BUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME HAS PASSED. A VOLPE REPORT CAME OUT. I THINK IT'S TIME TO START RE-EXPLORING THIS, UM, ITEM. AND IT IS PART OF OUR SIM PLAN. IT'S SIM ITEM NUMBER 13. SO, WHICH WE'VE JUST LEFT KIND OF TO THE WAYSIDE AS WE PURSUED OTHER SIM ITEMS. AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO HAVE A MORE FULL DISCUSSION. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A, A SECOND TO HAVE IT, UH, CONSIDERED? I'LL SECOND IT. WE CAN ALWAYS DREAM A THIRD IT. YEAH, ME TOO. OKAY. THAT'S FOUR. SO WE'RE GOOD. RIGHT? WE GOT FOUR. SO, UH, WHENEVER THAT COMES UP IN THAT, THANK YOU. BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLPE AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT THAT ALL MEANS. MM-HMM. . OH YEAH. ONE OF THOSE SPARE MEETING DAYS. OKAY. WE'LL DO IT. AND, UM, JUST TO COMMENT ON, UH, FUTURE AGENDA PACKETS FOR THIS ITEM 80. UM, YOU WILL BEGIN RECEIVING THE FUTURE MEETING SCHEDULE AS WELL AS AN ATTACHMENT TO AID IN YOUR DIALOGUE. SO, AND YOU DID RECEIVE A COPY OF IT, UM, FROM JOANNE FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE. IT'S, IT CAME UP DURING OUR AGENDA SETTING. I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT DOCUMENT, I FIND I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW HELPFUL I FIND THIS TO BE ABLE TO PROJECT FORWARD AS TO WHAT'S COMING. 'CAUSE I'M NOT PART OF THE AGENDA SETTING COMMITTEE AND DON'T USUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE PROJECTED PLAN IS. THIS, THIS HAS MADE MY LIFE A LOT EASIER. SO I, I THANK YOU JOANNE. THANK YOU ANNETTE, FOR MAKING THIS AVAILABLE. OKAY. UH, JUST SO [06:05:01] VICE MAYOR, UH, JUST ONE MORE THING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE LEAGUE CONFERENCE IS, UH, ON A COUNCIL DAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO WE ARE GONNA MISS THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST AND THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY. MM-HMM. JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THERE'LL BE TWO VACATIONS THIS YEAR. ALRIGHT. UH, JUST TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE, I'M SURE YOU'RE DISAPPOINTED TO LEARN THAT THERE WILL BE NO MEETING TOMORROW. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? HEARING NOTHING THIS MEANS ADJOURNED IS OH, YOU'RE RIGHT. THANK YOU. WELL, I MEAN, ON THURSDAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.