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OKAY, I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING
[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
TO ORDER THE SEDONA CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.IT'S TUESDAY, MAY 21ST, 2024 AT FOUR 30.
WOULD YOU ALL RISE PLEASE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I, THE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
ITEM NUMBER TWO, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF COMMISSIONERS.FIRST, ANYTHING UP HERE? STAFF? I THINK THE ONLY PROJECT UPDATE I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, WHICH PNC APPROVED THE DESIGN OF A COUPLE MONTHS BACK.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
TO NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS, THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 16TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING ARE APPROVED.
PUBLIC FORUM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 3 1 0.01 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
[5.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Development Review (DEV) for a Development Review for a Circle K store with associated fuel sales and a car wash. The property is ±1.74 acres, and is located at 2820 W State Route 89A, northeast of the intersection of W State Route 89A and Southwest Drive. APN: 408-24-536C]
TO OUR SINGLE AGENDA ITEM FOR ACTION TONIGHT.NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEM THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES.
A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR A CIRCLE CASE STORE WITH ASSOCIATED FUEL SALES AND A CAR WASH.
THE PROPERTY IS PLUS OR MINUS 1.74 ACRES AND IS LOCATED AT 2 8 2 0 WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A AND SOUTHWEST DRIVE, ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 DASH 24 DASH 5 36 C.
THE OWNER OF CIRCLE K STORES INC.
AND THE APPLICANT IS LAND DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANTS REPRESENTED BY MICHAEL MICHAEL SCARBOROUGH.
UM, WE'LL JUST HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND WE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, THE FIRST SLIDE HERE IS JUST WHAT THE, THE CHAIR JUST READ, BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION IS THAT THERE IS NO CAR WASH.
THERE WAS EARLIER ITERATIONS OF THE PROJECT DID HAVE A CAR WASH AND THEN WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE IT DIDN'T SHOW UP, BUT APPARENTLY WE WEREN'T AS CAREFUL AS WE THOUGHT WE WERE.
BUT THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THE FUEL PUMPS, AND THEN THERE IS AN RV DUMP AREA, BUT THERE IS NO CAR WASH.
UM, SO JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, UM, NO CAR WASH.
UM, SO THE, THE PROJECT IS ON A PROPERTY THAT'S, UM, ABOUT ONE IN THREE QUARTERS ACRES THAT'S ON 89 A AND SOUTHWEST DRIVE.
UM, WHAT IS THIS DOING? SORRY, THIS IS
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, IS THAT YOU? I DUNNO WHAT IT'S DOING.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD HERE.
UM, SO THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTHEAST UP IN THIS AREA.
UM, FOR CONTEXT, YOU HAVE THE FIRE STATION HERE WE ARE SITTING JUST OFF THE SCREEN TO THE LEFT.
UM, BUT THIS IS SOUTHWEST DRIVE IN 89 A THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN HAS ENTRANCES ON BOTH 89 A AND SOUTHWEST DRIVE, AND WOULD INCLUDE A DECELERATION LANE ALONG 89
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A TO GO TO TURN ONTO SOUTHWEST DRIVE.THE BUILDING PLACEMENT WE, WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IS BASED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT THAT THERE BE NO PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING FRONTAGE AND THE STREET.
AND SO THAT IS WHY THE SITE IS LAID OUT AS IT IS, UM, BASED ON OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT.
AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A SHARED USE PATH ALONG SOUTHWEST DRIVE.
THE 89 A FRONTAGE ALREADY HAS A SIDEWALK.
THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON 89 AND THEIR PROPOSED 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATH WOULD THEN TIE INTO THE SIDEWALK AND SHARED USE PATH BEING BUILT ON THE NAVAJO LOFTS PROJECT TO THE NORTH.
AND SO THIS WOULD KIND OF FINISH OFF THE SOUTHWEST DRIVE FRONTAGE WITH SIDEWALKS AND THEN TIE INTO THE NEW SHARED USE PATH THAT IS BEING BUILT, UM, ON BASICALLY JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY LINE.
BUT ON THE NAVAJO LOSS PROJECT, UM, THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN HERE.
WE DO HAVE A, A SAMPLE BOARD HERE THAT I CAN PASS AROUND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, AFTER THIS SAMPLE BOARD WAS COMPLETED, WE DID NEED TO GO TO A SLIGHTLY DARKER COLOR DUE TO THE HEIGHT.
AND SO THAT IS NO NOTED WITH THIS COLOR, BUT IT WOULD BE THIS FINISH.
AND I CAN SECOND, JUST LIKE ALL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATIONS, THIS WAS REVIEWED FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE, INCLUDING HEIGHT, SETBACKS, GRADING AND DRAINAGE ACCESS, PARKING, LANDSCAPING SITE, AND BUILDING DESIGN, LIGHTING AND SIGNS, AS WELL AS THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THOSE WERE DETAILED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
UM, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. UM, THE APPLICANT DID COMPLETE THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN AND THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE FOR A WHILE NOW.
UM, I BELIEVE WE HAD THE ONE COMMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS SINCE THEN.
AND ALL OF THE REQUIRED PUBLIC NOTICING WAS DONE FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT BASED, UM, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND THE STAFF REPORT.
BUT WE'RE, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE, THEY DO NOT HAVE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION, BUT WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO, COMMISSION, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR COMMENTS? UM, FOR ANY QUESTIONS, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SITE PLAN SO WE CAN SEE IT? I CAN'T REALLY SEE IT THAT WELL.
CAN YOU BLOW THAT OFF? OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'VE GOT ONE WE GOT TODAY.
I SPENT SO MUCH TIME LOOKING FOR THE CAR WASH
DO WE WANNA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SITE PLAN? UM, I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
FOR, FOR CARRIE? UM, ONE FOR CARRIE AND THE REST WOULD PROBABLY BE FOR THE, UH, DEVELOPER.
MR. SCARBOROUGH, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP TO THE UM, DESK OVER HERE? THANK YOU.
SO, UH, CARRIE, FIRST THING I NOTED AND I DIDN'T DIG INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT 25 PARKING SPACES, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT.
UH, COULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW THAT NUMBER, HOW YOU DEVELOPED THAT NUMBER? UM, IT'S BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE STORE.
SO 6,250 DIVIDED BY 250 GETS YOU 25.
AND THAT, THAT INCLUDES EMPLOYEE PARKING? YEAH.
SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST A RAW FORMULA.
UM, YOU INDICATED NO CAR WASH AND LOOKING ON SITE.
UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ROOM FOR ONE IN THE FUTURE, SO I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NOT A PARCEL OR A PORTION OF THE SITE THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO A CAR WASH? NOT WITH THE CURRENT SITE PLAN, BUT THE APPLICANT CAN ALSO ADDRESS THAT IF COMMISSIONER BRAM, THE INTENT FROM CIRCLE K IS TO GO AWAY FROM THE SMALLER FORMAT CAR WASH THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SHOWN.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF AN EXPRESS WASH, WHICH IS A MUCH LARGER OFFER IN A LARGER
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BUILDING.SO ON SITES THAT CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT, THEY'VE JUST ELIMINATED ADDING CAR WASHES TO NEW PROJECTS.
SO ON THIS PROJECT, THERE WOULDN'T BE A CAR WASH IN THE FUTURE.
UH, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS REGARDING WATER USAGE AND WASTEWATER IMPACTS, BUT THOSE ISSUES KIND OF GO AWAY.
UM, IT'LL BE A 24 HOUR OPERATION.
UH, I ALSO HAD QUESTIONS WHY THE BUILDING WAS UP FRONT, BUT CARRIE EXPLAINED THAT TO ME.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE, IF THERE'S ANY IMPACT, IT'S GONNA BE TO THE FIRST, UH, SET OF CONDOS ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF NAVAJO LOFTS.
AND, AND AGAIN, I COULDN'T DETERMINE ON A SITE PLAN, IS THERE A FENCE OR A WALL PLANNED FOR THAT LOCATION OR JUST LANDSCAPING? IT'S JUST LANDSCAPING.
I CAN GO TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IF I CAN FIND IT.
ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT KIDS OR FAMILIES IN THAT AREA ACCESSING THE CIRCLE K YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE PROPERTY, THE BOUNDARIES THERE COULD BE A VERY EXCITING THING IF THEY GET TO GO AND GET A SLURPEE OR SOMETHING.
UM, UM, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE THIS, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE SHOWING WHERE THAT, UM, 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATH THAT NAVAJO LOFTS BUILT AND THEY'RE SHOWING, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY GOOD, UM, LANDSCAPE BUFFER OF TREES ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE, SO.
UH, WHAT, UM, PERCENT OF, OF YOUR BUSINESS DO YOU THINK WILL BE, UH, LARGER TRUCKS? THIS OBVIOUS OBVIOUSLY IS NOT A TRUCK STOP, BUT LARGER TRUCKS MEANING LIKE SEMI-TRUCK? SURE, SURE.
THE ONLY SEMI-TRUCK THAT WOULD BE ON SITE WOULD BE THOSE DELIVERING GOODS AND GOODS TO THE STORE FOR SALE AND THEN ALSO THE DELIVERY TRUCK FOR FUEL.
SO IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OR, OR EVEN A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE.
IT'S REALLY JUST FOR TO, TO PROVIDE US WHAT WE NEED FOR SER THE SERVICES WE'RE PROVIDING.
NOW, UH, I'M JUST KIND OF MOVING ALONG RANDOMLY, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UH, SO GOING THROUGH THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND SO FORTH, THERE WERE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING TURN LANES AND POSSIBLY SIG SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION AND SO FORTH THAT IT APPEARS THAT, UH, ADOT DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
HANUKKAH CAN WEIGH IN, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS, IF ADOT DID DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS AREA, WE WOULD NEED TO COORDINATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ACROSS THE STREET.
WE WOULD NEED TO PROBABLY COORDINATE WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT WHO HAS THEIR STATION JUST UP THE ROAD FROM HERE.
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT, BUT IT, IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED FAIRLY SOON, IT'S SOMETHING WE MAY BE ABLE TO APPLY DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES TOWARDS THAT.
BUT RIGHT UP SET ON THE RADAR, NO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DONE IN COOPERATION WITH ADOT.
UH, SO KERRY, IT'S, UM, THE, THE TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY MM-HMM.
AND THE SIDEWALK ALONG SOUTHWEST DRIVE WILL CONNECT TO THAT? YES.
AND THAT'S A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK? THEY, ON THIS PROJECT, IT'S BEING SHOWN AS A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK.
I BELIEVE IT CHANGES TO A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE NAVAJO LOFTS PROPERTY.
UM, I'M NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH RV DUMPS.
UM, IT'S PRETTY DESCRIPTIVE WHAT HAPPENS THERE, BUT CAN, CAN YOU
I'M, I'M NOT AN RV OWNER EITHER, SO I'M NOT OVERLY FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IT IS A, IT'S AN IN-GROUND.
UH, IT'S AN IN-GROUND FACILITY THAT WILL CAPTURE THE RV WASTE AND IT WILL BE TIED INTO THE, UH, SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
THERE WOULD BE A NOMINAL FEE TO UTILIZE THAT SERVICE.
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OBVIOUSLY, UH, MAINTAINED, UH, AT A REGULAR, REGULAR INTERVALS.BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THOSE INTERVALS ARE, JUST THAT IT WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S CONFIGURATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THERE'S NO RUNOFF FROM THAT LOCATION? YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SET UP TO WHERE ONCE YOU INSERT THE HOSE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEN YOU ACTUALLY, UM, IN INITIATE AND ENGAGE THE, THE SYSTEM TO HELP PUMP IT OUT.
UM, IT, IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH GAS STATIONS AND SO FORTH.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THE TECHNOLOGY IS THESE DAYS IN TERMS OF, UH, TANK CONSTRUCTION AND LEAK DE DETECTION EQUIPMENT AND SO FORTH? JUST IN GENERAL TERMS? UH, IT'S COME A LONG WAYS.
UM, SO THE, THE TANK HOLE THEMSELVES ARE MONITORED.
THE, THE, UH, TANKS ARE TYPICALLY DOUBLE WALLED.
UM, AND ARE THEY STEEL OR FIBERGLASS? FIBERGLASS.
AND, UM, THE SYSTEM ITSELF IS MONITORED BACK AT THE STORE, BUT ALSO MONITORED BACK AT THE, THE, UH, CORPORATE OFFICES AS WELL.
SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF HAVING A CATASTROPHIC EVENT OR EVEN A MINOR EVENT IS VERY, VERY, VERY LIMITED WITH NEWER, THE NEWER CONSTRUCTION TODAY, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MAY FIND AS YOU WOULD DO RESEARCH WOULD TYPICALLY LEND THEMSELVES SO MUCH, MUCH OLDER STORES, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY'S FANTASTIC AND IT IT ALERTS YOU IF THEY, IF ANY OF HYDROCARBONS ARE DETECTED OUTSIDE OF THE TANK HOLE.
SO YOU HAVE PROBES OR MINUSES, SIR.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSIONS WITH NAVAJO LOFTS? I HAVE NOT HAD A PERSONAL ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
WE'VE HAD I THINK SOME DISCUSSIONS KIND OF MAYBE, UH, THROUGH THE CITY A LITTLE BIT, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET AN EASEMENT PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE THE FINAL CONNECTIONS.
BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD A A ONE-ON-ONE WITH NAVAJO LOSS.
CARRIE, I'M ASSUMING THEY WERE IN THE LIST FOR, UM, FOR NOTIFICATION.
NOTIFICATION? YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN AW SINCE, UM, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
CIRCLE K HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY AWARE OF THE PROPOSAL.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SORRY, I TOOK A BITE OF APPLE AT THE WRONG MOMENT.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE CLEAR PLANS.
WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE THOROUGH DOCUMENTS.
UM, IS THERE GOING TO, I COULDN'T FIND IT ON THE PLANS, UM, BUT IS THERE GONNA BE EV CHARGING OPTIONS HERE INSTALLED, NOT JUST READY? YES.
SO THE THE ANSWER IS YES, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE INSTALLED.
UM, UH, WE HAD SET ASIDE SPACES FOR EV READY MM-HMM
AND SO JORDAN'S INDICATING THAT YES, IT'LL BE A VIABLE OPTION AND WOULD BE INSTALLED.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY SPOTS? I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, YOU'LL NEED TO COME TO THE MIC.
NOT AWARE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD HOW MANY SPACES.
UH, I KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BEING EVALUATED BY OUR INTERNAL TEAM.
WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS JORDAN BERG WITH CIRCLE K.
AND CARRIE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CODE AROUND EV CHARGING JUST EV READINESS IN SOME SCENARIOS, CORRECT? STEVE'S NODDING HIS HEAD
THE TYPICAL CONFIGURATION AT MINIMUM IS FOUR.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME LOCAL PEOPLE I, I WILL SPEAK FOR WILL, WHO IS NOT HERE, WHO WILL BE SO EXCITED ABOUT MORE EV CHARGING
UM, IS THERE ANY PLANS FOR ANY, UH, SUSTAINABILITY PROJECTS ON THIS PROPERTY WHEN IT COMES TO SOLAR OR RAINWATER CAPTURE FOR LANDSCAPING OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? UH, SOLAR I CAN'T SPEAK TO, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CURRENT, UH, CURRENT PLANS RIGHT NOW.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN FULLY IMPLEMENTED HERE.
ALTHOUGH MUCH OF OUR LANDSCAPING IS LOCATED IN RETENTION BASINS, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY
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HAVE US USING A LITTLE LESS WATER TO KEEP THEM, UH, IRRIGATED.BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THOSE SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS SPECIFIC TO THE WAY YOU'RE ASKING THEM.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE INCLUDED.
UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER MY LAST QUESTION AND, BUT I ASKED THIS MORNING AND I SAID, SAID TO MYSELF, I'M GONNA ASK THAT AGAIN.
AND IT WASN'T ABOUT WHERE THE BUILDING IS.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN I REMEMBER.
SO MY QUESTIONS REALLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND I'LL RESERVE COMMENTS TO THE, FOR THE COMMENT PERIOD AFTERWARDS.
BUT MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, SINCE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS DEGRADED WITH BY 2025 WITH THE PROJECT OR WITHOUT THE, WITHOUT THE PROJECT OR WITH THE PROJECT, AND THERE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE, UM, ADDED, BUT I DIDN'T SEE MODELED WERE, UH, AN EXCLUSIVE LEFT TURN LANE AND AN EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TURN LANE, WHICH ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE, UH, A POSITIVE IMPACT.
DO WE KNOW FROM MODELING WHAT LEVEL OF IMPACT? I MEAN, IS IT GONNA CHANGE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THAT IMPROVEMENT ALONE DOESN'T NECESSARILY CHANGE? THE LOSI DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE GRADE WAS AT THAT INTERSECTION WITH AND WITHOUT I THINK EE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY CHANGES IT AND UPGRADES IT FROM AN E TO A D OR BETTER, BUT WHAT IT DOES DO OBVIOUSLY IS UM, HELPS ALLEVIATE THOSE RIGHT TURNING, UM, CUSTOMERS OR, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT AREN'T STUCK BEHIND SOMEONE THAT'S TRYING TO DO THE LEFT.
AND SO IT SHOULD HELP THE INTERSECTION.
I I, I CAN'T TELL YOU SIGNIFICANT HOW SIGNIFICANT IT WILL, BUT IT WILL CERTAINLY HELP THE INTERSECTION.
UM, THE REST ARE REALLY COMMENTS RELATED TO IT, SO I'LL JUST HOLD OFF.
UM, WAS IT AT THE CITY'S DIRECTION OR YOUR OWN THAT YOU, UM, CREATED AN EASEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY? I THINK TO THE EAST, UH, THE CITY, UH, STAFF, CARRIE HAD ASKED US TO IDENTIFY AN, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CROSS ACCESS TO THE EAST MM-HMM.
AND WHILE WE CAN'T MANDATE THAT THAT PROPERTY PROVIDE US THAT EASEMENT TODAY MM-HMM.
THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.
AND I, THE PACKET INCLUDES THAT EASEMENT DOCUMENT? YES.
UM, WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC, UM, IT WAS STATED THAT GAS STATIONS ON THEIR OWN AREN'T TRAFFIC GENERATORS, BUT THEY PULLED TRAFFIC, UH, TO THE SITE.
SO IT WAS, I THINK THE TERM WAS USED SECONDARY, IT, LIKE SECONDARY USE THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ACTUALLY CAN BE COUNTED AS EITHER SINGLE PURPOSE OR DRIVING BY AND I'M GONNA STOP AND GET GAS, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY I CAN PUT THAT.
AND YOU HAD BOTH AM AND PM PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC DATA.
UH, WHAT I DIDN'T SEE WAS THE CONTRIBUTION THAT NAVAJO AND I, I MAY HAVE MISSED THAT, UM, MADE TO THAT DATA POINT.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE ADDITION OF THE NAVAJO LOFTS INFORMATION? I BELIEVE WE WERE ASKED TO IN INCLUDE THAT AND IMPLEMENT THAT INTO THE STUDY.
I BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY HAD A COPY OF THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND SO WE DID, I BELIEVE, UH, WE DID IMPLEMENT THAT INTO THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO MAKE SURE IT WAS, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR.
I THINK IT WAS REQUESTED FROM BOTH THE CITY TO DO THAT AS WELL AS ADOT.
THE AND PM NUMBERS I THINK WERE ATTRIBUTABLE ONLY TO YOUR PROJECT, BUT THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE NAVAJO LOFTS, UM, CONTRIBUTION.
SO THAT WAS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
DO YOU REMEMBER WEIGH IN? I DO BELIEVE, UM, NAVAJO LOFTS TRAFFIC WAS INCLUDED IN THE DATA.
SO, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANTS ARE EXPECTED TO MEET WITH THE PROJECT AND NAVAJO OPS DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT WAS FOUND THAT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED TO HAVE A
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SIGNAL THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE COUNTER RECOMMENDED BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT SITE AND, AND ON DANTE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DISTANCE.IT'S MORE ADOT I THINK WANTS TO WAIT AND SEE BECAUSE TORTILLA IS ALSO A POTENTIAL.
UM, AND SO WE CAN'T PUT IT AT BOTH.
UM, SO, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT SOUTHWEST ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S BUSINESSES WITH DRIVEWAYS THAT DON'T LINE UP.
SO TORTILLA MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE.
SO I'M GOING TO REQUEST IN THE NEAR FUTURE ADOT TO ACTUALLY CONDUCT ANOTHER FULL SIGNAL WARRANT ANALYSIS FOR THIS AREA.
UM, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN CONTRIBUTE DEVELOPMENT FEES AND IT WOULD BE A MULTI-AGENCY PROJECT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE AND MM-HMM.
SO IF, IF THE OUT OF THAT STUDY THERE WAS A CONCLUSION THAT A SIGNAL WAS WARRANTED AT TORTILLA, DOES THAT, UM, IMPROVEMENT COME AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CITY ENTIRELY.
AND IS THAT OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHERE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES FROM, FROM A PROJECT THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE NEED FOR AN INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE UTILIZED COR CORRECT.
UM, AND SO THE CITY CAN APPLY FOR THOSE, THE CITY CAN CONTRIBUTE? IT WOULD, THE MAJORITY OF FUNDING WOULD PROBABLY BE FROM ADOT.
BUT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA WAIT UNTIL THE STATION WAS OPERATING OR, I BELIEVE SO.
UM, YEAH, IT WOULD REQUIRE MULTI-AGENCY.
I DIDN'T SEE HOW MANY PUMPS ARE THERE.
AND IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, THE, UH, PATH BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES AND ANOTHER PATH THAT I SAW MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT? WAS THAT JUST A, A SOCIAL TRAIL OR WAS THERE JUST ONE DEDICATED PATH PATH BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES? SO THEY WOULD BE BUILDING THE PATHWAY ALONG SOUTHWEST HERE.
AND THEN THERE IS YOU MEAN THE SIDEWALK? YEAH, THE SIDEWALK, YEAH.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO SHOWING JUST A KIND OF A CONNECTION HERE.
SO IS THAT A LIKE, I MEAN THAT'S AN OPENING BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES AN ENCOURAGED PATHWAY.
FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO COME TO THE STORE, THEY WANT, WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM AN OPTION AND THOSE WHO DON'T, WE OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO AROUND THE OUTSIDE.
UM, ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER WHEEL WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT AT THE LAST MINUTE, AND I WANTED TO TOUCH ON SOME QUESTIONS THAT SHE HAD.
PERHAPS YOU CAN CLEAR UP FOR US.
DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF HER COMMENTS? I DO.
I SET, I SENT IT OVER HERE THOUGH.
WHY DON'T YOU BRING THAT? YES SIR.
YOU ANSWERED SOLAR, UM, BICYCLE REPAIR STATION.
HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED AND IS THAT AN AMENITY THAT GAS STATIONS TYPICALLY OFFER? IT? IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE OFFERED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHEN IT'S BEEN REQUESTED.
AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO ADDING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, IS OF, OF INTEREST HERE.
I THINK IT WOULD DO REALLY WELL WITH THE AMOUNT OF MOUNTAIN BIKING.
WE HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF CARS WITH BIKES ON THE BACK OF THEM.
SO FOR THE VALUE OF PROVIDING THAT SERVICE, I THINK YOUR CUSTOMERS WOULD GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT.
YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T OBJECT TO THAT.
AND UM, SARAH MENTIONED, UH, CANOPY TREES TO CUT DOWN ON THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT OF A GAS STATION.
WHAT DOES YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN INCLUDE THAT WOULD PROVIDE SHADE? UH, A LOT OF CANOPY TREES AND, AND FURTHER FOR THE, FOR THE DUAL BENEFIT OF THE SHADING, BUT ALSO WITH THE CANOPY TREES, THEY LIFT UP AND YOU GET SOME VISIBILITY UNDERNEATH.
AND ARE THEY WHERE THAT OUTDOOR KIND OF, UM, DINING AREAS? UH, WE DO HAVE TREES IN THAT AREA.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, IF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS FAIRLY ROBUST IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF TREES WE'RE ADDING, SO YEAH, THEY'RE ALL CANOPIED AND THEY, AND THEY WOULD, UH, CERTAINLY BE IN THAT SITTING AREA.
AND THEY'RE NOT DECIDUOUS, THEY WOULD BE EVERGREEN? UH, THEY'RE, THEY DO, I DON'T REMEMBER THE TERMINOLOGY WE USE, UH, HERE FOR, BUT THEY MEET SEDONAS LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, SO YES.
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LOW FLOW FIXTURES WITHIN THE BUILDING? YES.THAT'S TYPICAL AS IS, AS IS THE LED LIGHTING? IT IS, YES, MA'AM.
RECYCLING, WILL YOU HAVE RECYCLING CONTAINERS FOR THE PUBLIC? IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S TYPICAL, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE WITH OPERATIONS.
SO IS THAT A YES? I WOULD SAY NO AT THIS POINT AND I WILL, UH, I'LL EXPLORE.
TYPICALLY WHAT WE FIND WITH THE TWO, THE TRASH ENCLOSURE THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN HAS GOT TWO CONTAINERS, UH, TYPICALLY LOCATED WITHIN IT.
AND THOSE TWO CONTAINERS BASED ON THE, UH, PICKUP SCHEDULE AND THE AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS THAT CIRCLE K RECEIVES, WE DON'T, WE DON'T FIND THAT WE HAVE SPACE TO ADD A ANOTHER CONTAINER FOR THE RECYCLING.
SO IN CASES WHERE IT'S REQUIRED, WE TRY TO FIT IT IN.
IN THIS CASE IT WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF A SITE PLAN RECONFIGURATION TO, TO GET AN ADDITIONAL ONE IN THERE.
BUT IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE A, A HILL WE WOULD DIE ON TODAY.
SO IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY MANDATED, WE WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO, TO IMPLEMENT IT INTO THE PROJECT.
BECAUSE YOUR VERY STORE GENERATES A LOT OF IT DOES
AND AS PEOPLE EMPTY THEIR CARS AND FILL UP OR USE A DUMP STATION, THEY'RE GONNA BE LETTING GO OF ALL THOSE THINGS AND WITHOUT SORTING AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED RECYCLING IN THE BEST WAY THAT WE COULD.
SO I'M PLEASED THAT YOU'RE OPEN TO DOING THAT.
WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING, KATHY, BUT WE OFFICIALLY IN THIS MEETING SAID WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE OTHER STORE? YES.
JUST MAKING SURE THAT, BUT FOR THE RECORD, SINCE WE, WE LEARNED THAT AT THE SITE VISIT, IT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OTHER STORE WILL BE CLOSING? THE OTHER STORE WOULD BE CLOSING TO THE WEST.
JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS HER FIRST ONE, I WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE ACTUALLY SAID THAT IN THIS MEETING.
HERE'S A, HERE'S A INTERESTING IDEA THAT OUR COMMISSIONERS HAS, UM, BROUGHT FORWARD.
AND THAT IS CREATE AN INNOVATIVE GAS PLUS ART STATION HIGHLIGHTING LOCAL ARTISTS.
SO RATHER THAN MAKING A CASH CONTRIBUTION BASED, I GUESS ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, UM, IS, DOES INTEGRATING ART AT THE GAS STATION AND INTEGRATING LOCAL ARTISTS WORK INTEREST YOU AT ALL? I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, I THINK IT'S A CONCEPT THAT FITS WITHIN THE CIRCLE K BRANDING IN MARKETING THAT THEY DO INTERNALLY TO THE STORE.
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE MARKETING THAT THEY DO IS SET UP IN A, IN A MANNER THAT'S BEEN TRIED AND TRUE.
AND IT WOULD BE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO VARY FROM WHAT THEY DO INSIDE THE STORES, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND THE SIDEWALK ALONG, UH, SOUTHWEST, UH, IS A 10 FOOT.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY ROOM SHE WAS ASKING IF IT COULD BE ENHANCED? I I'M WONDERING IF SHE MEANS A PUBLIC MIXED USE WALK.
I'M WONDERING IF SHE MEANS 89 A WHEN I READ THAT AS ENHANCED, IT MAKES ME THINK THERE'S ALREADY A SIDEWALK THERE.
SO I'M WONDERING IF SHE'S TALKING ABOUT 89 A, IS THAT AN ADOT THING OR IS THAT AN YOU THINK, CARRIE, IT WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SINCE THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT, I DON'T, WE REQUIRE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.
AND SO, UM, WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW ONE, WE TRY TO GET THOSE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE WIDER.
UM, BUT SINCE THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING THE ONE ALONG 89 A I DON'T, THERE'D BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT WIDER AT THIS TIME.
THOSE STEPS HAVE A GOAL TO MAKE ALL OF THE 80 89 A SIDEWALKS WIDER OR SOMEWHAT OFF TOPIC, BUT WE'RE NOT, NOT, YEAH.
WE'RE NOT REALLY FOCUSING ON WIDENING 89 A SIDEWALKS CURRENTLY.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER NEW OPPORTUNITIES RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, SO WE WON'T BE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING PART OF THIS.
I HAVE ONE MORE AND WE'LL JUST TURN TO COMMENTS NOW.
UM, CAN YOU KIND OF BRIEFLY DESCRIBE YOUR DRAINAGE? YOU'RE INTERCEPTING THE FLOW FROM NAVAJO LOFTS MID SITE AND YOU'RE ROUTING IT AROUND THE SITE, AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF YOUR SITE DRAINAGE
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COMING DOWN TO YOUR DETENTION, YOUR UNDERGROUND STORAGE LOCATED WEST OF THE BUILDING.I'M KIND OF WALKING THROUGH IT AND I'M EITHER YAY OR NAY.
I WAS FOLLOWING EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND AGREEING WITH YOU.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE FEEDING, UH, BLEEDING OFF THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION INTO THE ADOT STORM SEWER SYSTEM.
UM, ARE THOSE JUST BE UNDERGROUND PIPES? Y YES SIR.
AND IF, UH, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SOUTHWEST DRIVE, THERE'S THREE GRADED INLETS THAT ARE ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE OF IT.
THAT'LL BE, UH, UNDERGROUND AND PIPED AS WELL AS THE, UH, V DITCH THAT'S RUNNING THERE NOW.
SO ALL OF THAT'LL BE CLEANED UP IMPROVEMENT WISE, AND THOSE WILL BE PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT PLANS WE SUBMIT THROUGH ADOT FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AS WELL.
AND THE DETENTION AREA, IT'S GONNA BE LANDSCAPED AROUND IT, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO, NO USE FOR THE LAND RIGHT THERE WHERE THE UH, WHERE THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE PIPE IS ON SITE.
NO, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN REALLY DO THERE ON TOP OF IT.
YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T REALLY PLANT ON TOP OF IT.
UM, AND SO THAT IS KIND OF AN OPEN AREA, BUT NO, NO SPECIFIC USE IDENTIFIED OR OKAY.
UM, JUST ONE LAST THING PLEASE.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT'S ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
OH, THIS IS, THERE'S A PROPANE TANK AND THEN THERE THERE'S PROP, UM, AND LANDSCAPING.
WELL, IT'S IDENTIFIED BOATS AND
WHICH PAGE ARE YOU ON? OH, UH, LOOK AT THIS ONE.
WHAT'S IT'S LABELED? TURN IT UPSIDE DOWN.
I THINK THAT'S JUST IF SOMEONE PULLS IN THERE WITH A BOAT THAT'S SHOWING THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE THE TURN TO, TO HAVE A CAR AND A, A PASSENGER CAR PLUS A BOAT.
OR OR A SMALL TRAILER LIKE A COLEMAN TRAILER.
A PULL BEHIND TRAILER THAT YOU MAY, YOU MAY BE FILLING UP A PROPANE TANK ON.
SO THERE'S NO SPECIFIC USE THERE, BUT YOU'RE JUST ILLUSTRATING THAT THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE FOR THAT.
ANY ANYMORE? YEAH, I, I WANT TO GO BACK TO SARAH'S LIST ONLY 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT IS THE, SHE WRITES BIOGAS GENERATORS FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT A BIOGAS GENERATOR IS.
UM, BUT I'M, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT RV DUMP
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS DO.
I DON'T KNOW THE GOALS OF THAT, BUT I WANNA BRING IT UP 'CAUSE IT IS ON HER LIST.
AND, UM, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KIND OF MEET THOSE SUSTAINABILITY BENCHMARKS THAT THE CITY HAS THE GOALS OF IS IMPORTANT.
UM, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING ON HERE WE DIDN'T REALLY TOUCH IS, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THE STORM WATER RUNOFF IS SAFE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE OIL SEPARATOR.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WANNA TOUCH ON THAT FOR HER LIST AS WELL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, ANY, ANY SITE CAN BE CONTAMINATED, BUT YOU GUYS LITERALLY HAVE CONTAMINANT ON YOUR SITE ON PURPOSE, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IT ALL STAYS SAFE.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD TOUCH ON THE BIO GAS GENERATORS, THAT'D BE GREAT.
I I, I'M NOT EVEN A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT THEY'RE TO BE, TO BE FAIR.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN YES, THE STORM WATER AND, AND HOW WE HANDLE RUNOFF IS MM-HMM.
IS THAT A ZDQ PEOPLE OR DO THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT UNDERGROUND
UM, I'M, I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THEIR, THEIR GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN.
EVERY DROP OF WATER THAT FALLS ONTO THIS LOT WILL DRAIN.
IT WON'T DRAIN INTO THE ROADWAYS, IT'LL DRAIN TO THEIR RETENTION OR DETENTION, AND THEN IT'LL GET FILTERED.
I LOVE WHEN YOU'RE HAPPY, HON.
IT'S GONNA BLEED INTO WHERE MY VOTE'S GONNA GO.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THAT.
BUT, UM, AND THIS IS A DIFFICULT PROJECT FOR ME BECAUSE
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THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE CAN'T REALLY LOOK AT.I MEAN, WE'RE NOT HERE TO LOOK AT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN.
UM, THE WISDOM OF BASICALLY MOVING A GAS STATION TWO BLOCKS DOWN FROM A SIGNALED INTERSECTION, THAT'S REALLY NOT SOMETHING WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO WHAT WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, ASIDE FROM THE DETAILS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT, UM, TO ME, IS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
AND WHEN THIS PROJECT PLUS THE NAVAJO LOTS BY YOUR OWN MODELING, UM, SHOWS THAT IT WOULD BE AN E AND AN E AND AN F RATING LOS IN THE MORNING, IN THE AFTERNOON ON THAT SOUTHBOUND LIFT.
BUT IF THERE WAS A SIGNALED INTERSECTION, IT WOULD GO B IN THE MORNING AND C IN THE AFTERNOON.
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD WANT TO KNOWINGLY, UM, DEGRADE THE TRAFFIC LEVEL, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICE AND, AND REALLY NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THESE, UM, TURN LANES THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD BE INCLUDING ARE NOT GONNA AFFECT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ADOT HAS A STATED PURPOSE TO KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING ON 80 89 A THAT'S APPARENTLY THEIR HIGHEST AND, UH, GOAL.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S NECESSARILY THE SAME AS WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA WANT.
UM, NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT THE TRAFFIC TO MOVE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A COMPLETE ALIGNMENT BETWEEN WHAT ADOT THINKS ON THIS HIGHWAY AND WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE HERE, UM, WANT OR EXPECT AND COMPLAIN ABOUT.
SO TO ME, AGAIN, WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HOW GREAT THIS PROJECT IS COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY OPERATING AND ARE GONNA BE GIVING UP, I JUST SEE IT AS A, A BIGGER TRAFFIC PROBLEM, UM, WITHOUT OTHER REDEEMING ASPECTS.
SO, SO I GUESS I WOULD JUST, UM, COMMENT AND MAYBE, UM, FROM WHAT, YOU KNOW, HANUKKAH CAN WEIGH IN AS WELL, IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREA THAT'S FUNNELING THROUGH, UM, SOUTHWEST DRIVE AND TORTILLA DRIVE, THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT POTENTIALLY USE THESE INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO EACH ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO DEGRADE THE PROP, THE INTERSECTION.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDIES TO SAY WHAT POINT IS, IS A CHANGE TO THAT INTERSECTION WARRANTED, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, SO THAT THE, SO THAT INCREMENTALLY EACH PROJECT CAN PAY TOWARDS THE SOLUTION.
AND THEN WHEN IT REACHES THOSE WARRANTS, WE WOULD THEN, AS HANCO MENTIONED, WE WOULD WORK WITH ADOT, WOULD WORK WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, TO IMPLEMENT THE BEST SOLUTION THAT ALL OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, OR ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND AGENCIES AGREE IS THE BEST SOLUTION.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, AGAIN, AS HANUKAH WAS SAYING, WE'LL TAKE THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES FROM ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES AND USE IT TO IMPROVE THE AREA IN THE WAY THAT WORKS BEST FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF ANY ONE PROJECT.
AND, UM, SO WE JUST HAVE TO CONTINUE WORKING.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR ENGINEERS WHO ARE CONTINUALLY LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC MODELING AND THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THESE THAT WE CONTINUALLY COLLECT FROM AS VARIOUS PROJECTS DEVELOP AND EXPAND.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND HOW ALL THE VARIOUS PROPERTIES AROUND THERE ADD OR WELL CONTRIBUTE TO THE TRAFFIC.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE STATUS QUO.
THEY'RE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING TO IT.
THIS MODELING THAT'S BEING DONE IS FOR THE NEW PROJECT OR REALLY AND INCLUDING THE NAVAJO LOSS ONE TOO.
SO INCREMENTALLY IT SEEMS TO BE DEGRADING IT.
UM, ANYWAY, I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S JUST DIFFICULT TO KNOWINGLY CONTRIBUTE TO IT.
I GUESS GUESS THE RESPONSE WOULD BE THAT ANY PROJECT ON A VACANT PROPERTY WILL CONTRIBUTE TO AN INCREASED LOAD OF TRAFFIC.
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WE GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE STUDIES TO DETERMINE, I WISH THERE WASN'T THE LAG TIME THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IF I KNEW THAT TORTILLA WAS GONNA HAVE A SIGNAL WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS MM-HMM.CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT FEES? IS THERE A TIMELINE ON THOSE DEVELOP? DO I REMEMBER LIKE, IS THERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE CITY HAS TO USE THOSE KEYS OR THERE'S RULES ABOUT AREA IT CAN BE USED IN ISH.
RIGHT? AND IS THERE TIME? I, I BELIEVE THERE IS.
I BELIEVE THERE IS A TIME LIMIT, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING PRETTY LONG, LIKE 10 OR 15 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO GENERALLY IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CITIES RUN UP AGAINST.
THE MONEY'S LONG SPENT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
ANY MORE COMMENTS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND IF THAT MOTION IS TO APPROVE, UM, PLEASE INCLUDE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO INCLUDE A BICYCLE REPAIR STATION AND RECYCLING FACILITIES.
UM, UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PC 23 DASH 0 0 0 0 1 DEV CIRCLE CASE STORE BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4 IN SATISFACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IS OUTLINED IN STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS FINDINGS OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
IN ADDITION, UH, WE'D ALSO BE LOOKING FOR INCLUSION OF A BICYCLE REPAIR STATION AND, UH, RECYCLING FACILITIES AS CAN BE PROVIDED.
I MEAN, I CAN BEAT THE HORSE, BUT YOU KNOW,
[6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
ON TO, UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. I HAVE NOTHING FOR THE MEETINGS IN JUNE.UM, WE ARE PAST THE NOTICING DEADLINE FOR THE FIRST MEETING OF JUNE, AND THE NOTICING DEADLINE FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE IS ON THURSDAY.
AND I DOUBT WE WILL HAVE ANYTHING OH.
SO JUNE'S GONNA BE A PASS? I BELIEVE SO.
UNLESS SOME MIRACLE HAPPENS IN THE NEXT DAY AND A HALF.
CLOSE THAT ITEM WITH WITHOUT OBJECTION.
WE'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT, UH, 5:18 PM THANK YOU.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.