* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] [00:00:04] OKAY, LET'S CALL TODAY'S MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FORNEE. AND NOW I MOVE UNDER SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CLERK, [2. ROLL CALL] WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. HERE. COUNCILOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR LTZ? HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN? HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON? HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] ITEM THREE, A TO D. I UNDERSTAND. COUNSELOR? UH, FURMAN WANTS TO PULL CI BELIEVE. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR, UH, A, B, AND D? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE. A, B, AND D. SECOND. SECOND BY JESSICA. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL. UH, ANY OPPOSED? NONE, SIR. NONE. OKAY. GOOD. OH, THERE YOU ARE, JOE. I'M KEEP GOING OVER HERE. . OKAY. [3.c. AB 3059 Approval of a Resolution adopting the City’s Public Safety Personnel Retirement System Pension Funding Policy for fiscal year 2024-2025.] UH, COUNCIL, FURMAN, YOU WANT TO PULL ITEM C? YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. APPRECIATE THAT. I, I AM ONLY PULLING ITEM C IN LIGHT OF THE ACTION THIS COUNCIL TOOK DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS TO FULLY FUND THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY IN P-S-P-R-S. AND THE LANGUAGE IN WHAT WE'RE ADOPTING IS STILL KIND OF REFERENCES THE OLD POLICY AND IS THE OLD POLICY. AND I JUST WANTED TO HEAR FROM STAFF THE, THE, UH, REASONS FOR DOING THAT. AND THEN JUST HAVE A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN WILL BE FOR US TO UPDATE OUR, UH, FUNDING POLICY AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR FUTURE, UM, UNFUNDED LIABILITIES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT ARISE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. SO ANNETTE, GOOD EVENING MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE AN UPDATE REALLY QUICK TO THE POLICY, AND WE'RE GONNA STATE, UM, ANNUALLY CONTRIBUTE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT TO ACHIEVE A LEVEL DOLLAR PAYMENT IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN FULLY FUNDED STATUS. SO IT MAY BE NECESSARY, SOME YEARS IT MAY NOT. THE DOLLAR AMOUNT SHOULD BE RELATIVELY LOW SO THAT WE DON'T EVER INCUR THIS $4 MILLION LIABILITY. AGAIN. I GUESS I, I WONDER, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, GOD FORBID THE RETURNS ARE REALLY BAD ONE YEAR AND WE HAVE A HUGE UNFUNDED LIABILITY MM-HMM. , WHETHER THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT WE'RE GONNA FIX IT IN ONE YEAR VERSUS MAYBE A, A DIFFERENT POLICY THIS COUNCIL MAY WANT TO ADOPT. IT COULD, AND WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE, THE LANGUAGE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERED IN CASE OF THAT. AND WE DO, WE DID MENTION EVERY YEAR THE AMOUNT HAS TO BE REEVALUATED BY STAFF. I HAVE COUNCIL WILLIAMSON. YEAH. I DON'T, I I REALLY DO NOT WANT TO COMMIT TO FULLY FUNDING IT EVERY YEAR. I, I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT, I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO FUNDING IT OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE HAVE TO FUND IT. I MEAN, I THINK THE COUNCIL EVERY YEAR NEEDS TO LOOK AT OUR FINANCES AND, AND MAKE THAT DECISION. SO HOWEVER THAT IS HOW IS, HOW IS IT FRAMED IS, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A TOTALLY A CHOICE BY COUNCIL EVERY YEAR. AND I, I WANNA KEEP IT THAT WAY. I DON'T WANNA HAMMER US IN SO THAT WE CAN'T DO WHAT MAKES SENSE IN ANY GIVEN YEAR. YOU DONE? I AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CASTOR CONSULTANT PIZZA. DO YOU WANNA GO? WHEN, WHEN WOULD WE BE SEEING THAT POLICY LANGUAGE? WE'LL WORK ON IT AFTER THE MEETING TONIGHT AND SEND AN EMAIL WITH THE REVISED POLICY. MM-HMM. UM, AND THEN WHEN DOES IT COME HERE FOR DISCUSSION? WE COULD DO IT AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. BECAUSE I, I WOULD AGREE THAT ALTHOUGH THE GOAL IS ALWAYS TO KEEP P-S-P-R-S UM, FUNDED, UM, I DON'T WANT IT TO HAMSTRING US ON SOME OTHER THINGS. WE'VE BEEN VERY PROACTIVE. NOT ONLY THIS CURRENT COUNCIL THAT'S SEEN IT, BUT PRIOR COUNCILS OF, OF PUTTING ANY, YOU KNOW, [00:05:01] SURPLUS FUNDS TOWARD IT, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN GREAT. I'M SO HAPPY THAT THIS YEAR WIPES THAT OUT AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE GETTING INTO A LARGE DEBT AGAIN BASED ON THAT. BUT I STILL WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE POLICY LANGUAGE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REVIEWED IN A OPEN SETTING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE AN EMAIL WITH THE REVISED LANGUAGE. I, I, WE NEED TO HAVE A WAY OF REALLY COMING TO TERMS WITH THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'LL BE NUANCES THAT WE ALL WILL WANT TO EXPRESS, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANNETTE SHOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH ON, ON HER LEVEL. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK, SHE'LL MAKE SURE SHE KNOWS WHAT WE WANT AND WE, IT WOULD BE ON A FUTURE AGENDA NOT TO, IN, TO NOT A DISTANT FUTURE. UH, THE FINANCE CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REASON IT HAS TO BE DONE TODAY. IS THERE? OKAY. NO, I, IF, IF WE COULD GET IT ADOPTED BY JUNE 11TH, I COULD, WE COULD MAKE THE PAYMENT ON THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY IN TIME FOR THIS YEAR. WE COULDN'T MAKE A PAYMENT WITHOUT THIS RESOLUTION. NO. WE NEED THE POLICY ADOPTED. MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO IT HAS TO BE BUT IS 11TH THAT AN EMERGENCY? WHEN'S OUR NEXT MEETING? OH, OKAY. AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS DOESN'T BIND ANY FUTURE COUNCIL 'CAUSE IT'S ADOPTED EVERY SINGLE YEAR. SO THE LANGUAGE IN THERE NOW CAN BE CHANGED. YOU COULD CHANGE IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, IT'S AN ANNUAL POLICY. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO ADD? YEAH, I, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING A RESOLUTION WITH LANGUAGE THAT ME TOO IS CORRECT. SO IF IT COULD WAIT TILL JUNE 11TH, I WOULD PREFER THAT. SO WOULD A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO THE JUNE 11TH BE IN ORDER TABLE IT TO DATE CERTAIN? I'D LIKE TO, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE. AND LET ME, BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOTION, DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING ON A CONSENT AGENDA? AS LONG AS YOU CAN READ IT AHEAD OF TIME, LIKE EVERY OTHER AGENDA. AND THEN, THEN IF AT THAT POINT, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, THEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD PULL IT OR DO YOU WANNA SEE IT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA? I THINK IT'S OKAY ON A CONSENT. UM, BE FOR ME, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THE, UM, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TIME AND WE HAVE TO ADOPT IT THAT NIGHT ANYWAY. SO IF, IF I MAY MAYOR, I, I WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER TO SEE IT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. OKAY. BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON EXPRESS HER DESIRE. I'M GONNA BE MORE ON THE LANGUAGE THAT INDICATES THAT DESIRE TO TRY TO PAY IT OFF AND IF WE DECIDE OTHERWISE. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, I DIDN'T, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. SO, UH, AND NOW I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT, WHERE YOU'RE GOING. SO, UH, BUT WE'LL HAVE THE MOTION WHERE IT CAN BE ADOPTED AND CHANGED ON THE FLY. I'M GONNA, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS ITEM BE TABLED TO JUNE 11TH FOR DISCUSSION AS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FURMAN, ANY DISCUSSION? I DIDN'T GET TO THIS SIDE. HOLD ON. I DIDN'T GET TO THIS SIDE OF THE, I CONCUR WITH MY COLLEAGUES TO TABLE IT. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO SAY. NO, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSE? NONE. OKAY. YES. DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE OF DIRECTION FROM US? YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE HAVE DIRECTION? YES. I WAS JUST CONFIRMING WE'LL PROPOSE TWO POLICIES, . THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ITEM FOUR APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE NONE. [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] ITEM FIVE. UH, SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MYSELF, THE COUNSELORS, UH, THE MANAGER OR THE, UH, ABOUT, UH, COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, UH, THE LIBRARY BOOKSTORE IS RUN BY FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, AND OPERATES THE USED BOOKSTORE, UM, IN ORDER TO GENERATE MONEY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE LIBRARY'S OPERATION. UM, UM, THE FIRST WEEK IN JUNE TO CELEBRATE, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN IN THEIR NEW FACILITY, MAYBE SEVEN YEARS. MM-HMM. TO CELEBRATE THE SEVEN YEARS IN THEIR NEW FACILITY. EVERYTHING IN THE BOOKSTORE IS 50% OFF THE LIBRARY, UM, CONTRIBUTES A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FROM THESE SALES TO THE LIBRARY. WOW. SO GO TO YOUR LIBRARY, GO TO YOUR BOOKSTORE AND BUY, USE BOOKS 50% OFF FIRST WEEK OF JUNE AND SUPPORT YOUR PUBLIC LIBRARY. EXCELLENT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT ON MAY 19TH, I WAS VERY HONORED TO ATTEND THE, UH, 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF SEDONA IN THE VERDE VALLEY SYNAGOGUE. AND, [00:10:01] UH, IT WAS QUITE AN EVENT. AND TO SEE, UH, RABBI MIGUEL THERE, SHE'S THE SECOND RABBI AND HAS BEEN THERE ALMOST SINCE, UH, YEAR ONE, ACTUALLY. SHE CAME IN YEAR THREE, I BELIEVE. AND IT'S JUST AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE. IF YOU HAVE HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE SYNAGOGUE BEFORE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD SHARE WITH, UH, IN AN EVENT. IT'S A, A BEAUTIFUL SETTING AND BEAUTIFUL EVENT. AND I HAD A WONDERFUL TIME, UH, AND I FELT HONORED TO BE INVITED. SO, UH, VICE MAYOR, THERE IS A SCULPTURE CALLED THE CALL OF THE CANYON, AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS INTENDING TO PURCHASE IT. AND, UM, IT'S JAMES MUIR'S STATUTE. UH, IT'S, UH, IT WAS INSPIRED BY ZANE GRAY'S NOVEL. AND, UH, THEY ARE LOOKING TO FUNDRAISE FOR THE PURCHASE OF IT. SO IF ANYBODY IS A ART LOVER AND A HISTORICAL LOVER AND WANTS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ACQUISITION OF THIS BEAUTIFUL SCULPTURE, UH, THEY CAN CONTACT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. AND THEY ARE IN THE FUNDRAISING MODE RIGHT NOW, AS ARE ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS RIGHT. HAVE RIGHT NOW, . OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. OKAY. ITEM SIX, PUBLIC [6. PUBLIC FORUM] FORUM. DO WE HAVE CARDS? OKAY. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM AND WE'LL START BY ROB SMITH. SO ROBERT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU START WITH YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND YOU HAVE THE TIMER IN FRONT OF YOU. UH, MY NAME IS ROB SMITH. I LIVE ON 71 LITTLE HORSE IN THE CHAPEL AREA. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT SERIOUS TRAFFIC CONGESTION IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO THE CHAPEL OF THE HOLY CROSS. UH, I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE CHAP, UH, THE DIOCESE TWICE. UH, THEY HAVE NOW RETURNED MY CALLS. SO I'M HERE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES. UH, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF THE TERRIBLE PARKING THEY HAVE. YOU GO UP THE HILL AND YOU COME BACK DOWN. UM, UH, I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST TO THE DIOCESE THAT THEY DO WHAT MANY PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY IS THEY SELL A TIME SLOT THAT WOULD, UH, MINIMAL COST. YOU BUY A 10 TO 11 VISIT TO THE CHAPEL. UM, THERE'S NOW SIGNS ON CATHEDRAL THAT YOU CAN'T PARK. HOWEVER, UH, PEOPLE HAVE FLOODED INTO THE ANTELOPE AREA. I SEE THAT THE CITY ALSO PUT PARKING FOR THE MYSTIC TRAIL AND HIGH ON THE HOG. UH, I WATCH MANY PEOPLE PARK THERE AND WALK UP TO THE CHAPEL. ALSO, I ALSO SEE THEM JUST JAMMED INTO ANY SPOT THEY CAN, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SIGNS. UM, IT'S ESPECIALLY BAD FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AFTER THE CHAPEL AND CATHEDRAL INTERSECTION. I KNOW THAT INCLUDES, UH, COUNCILMAN BRIAN. UH, I LIVE AFTER THAT AREA. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY OUT, UH, OF THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO GET TO, TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION. UH, IF I'M COMING OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PEOPLE DON'T LET ME CUT ACROSS. UH, I HAVE TO BASICALLY FORCE MYSELF AND HONKED THE HORN. IT WAS ESPECIALLY BAD ON SATURDAY AND IT WAS ALSO BAD ON, UH, EASTER WEEKEND. ON SATURDAY, IT WAS BACKED UP TO GENEVA. I WAS COMING BACK FROM GOLFING, UH, AND I SAT THERE AND IT TOOK ME 15 MINUTES TO GET TO CATHEDRAL TO TURN. UM, EVEN THOUGH THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS HERE, I WILL ADMIT THAT I DID GET FRUSTRATED. UH, CARS WERE NOT COMING BACK TOWARDS ME. I WENT INTO THE OTHER LANE. I WENT ABOUT A HALF A BLOCK. I GOT SOME ANGRY TOURISTS, BUT THEY DID LET ME CROSS ONTO CATHEDRAL. I JUST, I JUST WAS ANGRY. UM, . SO I ASKED, UH, I ASKED TWO THINGS OF THE COUNCIL, UH, TALK TO THE DIOCESE. I KNOW IN TALKING WITH, UH, THE MAYOR, HE SAID THERE IS TALK ABOUT SOME PARKING. UM, UH, A GREAT IOWA MOVIE SAID YOU BILL THAT THEY WILL COME, UH, I THINK IF YOU BUILD MORE PARKING OR MORE HIGHWAYS, PEOPLE WILL COME. SO TALK TO THE DIOCESE, SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO LIMIT THE TIME. UH, AND ALSO, UH, STUDY EXTENDING BADGER TO FOX ROAD. UH, YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH ONE HOUSE. AND WHEN THAT HOUSE COMES AVAILABLE, UH, I KNOW THERE'S SOME PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THERE TO DEAL WITH, BUT THAT WHOLE AREA FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT HAS NO WAY TO GET OUT. IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, UH, RIGHT THERE AT OUR INTERSECTION, UH, FIRE OR ANYTHING ELSE, PEOPLE CANNOT GET OUT ANYWAY. SO I THINK THE CITY SHOULD STUDY THOSE TWO THINGS. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD, ROBERT. [00:15:01] SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, UH, GIVE YOU ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT, SO, BUT THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. I'LL CALL YOU ALWAYS AVAILABLE. OKAY. THAT WAS THE ONLY CARD, JOE. RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO, UH, CLOSING THE PUBLIC FORUM AND PROC, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. ITEM SEVEN, WE HAVE NONE NOW. [8.a. AB 3050 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding approval of the Tentative City Budget for Fiscal Year 2024-2025.] REGULAR BUSINESS EIGHT, A AB 30 50 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE CITY BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20, 24, 25. MY FAVORITE FINANCE PEOPLE. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT, GO FOR IT. YOU GOT EVERYBODY? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? UH, IF YOU COULD SIT A LITTLE CLOSER SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAN OVER ON THE MIC AND SPEAK UP. HOW IS THAT? IS THAT OKAY? WE DON'T, WE DON'T BITE. OKAY. SO THAT SOUNDS ALL RIGHT. IT SOUNDS VERY GOOD. GOOD, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THE TENTATIVE BUDGET FOR FY 24 FY 25. JUST GET THIS SLIDESHOW OF WORK. OKAY. YOU MOVE THIS MEETING. WE HAVE JEAN MCGANN WITH US, WHO IS OUR INTERIM FINANCE DIRECTOR. SO I MIGHT HAVE TO TOGGLE THIS TEAMS MEETING AROUND SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALRIGHT. EVERYTHING ON THE PRESENTATION. SO I HAVE UP THE FY 24 25 BUDGET CALENDAR. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE RIGHT NOW WITH THE STAR ON MAY 28TH, WHICH IS THE BOARD ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE CFT BUDGET, AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION OF TODAY'S TENTATIVE BUDGET. WE HAVE ONE MORE MEETING LEFT, WHICH IS ON JUNE 25TH FOR THE BOARD ADOPTION OF THE FINAL CFT BUDGET AND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION OF THE FINAL BUDGET. FIRST THING, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE TO THANK A FEW PEOPLE, UM, FOR HELP WITH OUR REVENUE FORECASTS. LAUREN BROWN, WHO IS PART OF THE, UH, CD I THINK IS, IS WHAT, UH, COUNCILOR FOLTZ, UH, TITLED THE NAME OF THE DEPARTMENT, CD, WHICH IS OUR COMMUNICATIONS, TOURISM ECONOMIC AND IN INITIATIVES DEPARTMENT. UM, AS WELL AS CARRIE MEYER FROM, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND MICHELLE ECKY FROM OUR, UH, TOURISM BUREAU. NO CHAMBER. CHAMBER, I'M SORRY, OUR CHAMBER. EXCUSE ME. UH, ALSO SPECIAL THANKS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR INPUT PROVIDED IN THE SURVEY AND AS WELL AS THE, UH, CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE WORK GROUP HERE WITH US, BUT WE DID HAVE QUITE A FEW SHOW UP FOR THE WORK SESSIONS. AND LASTLY, I DID WANT TO, UH, PUT IN HERE, UH, SPECIAL THANKS FOR YEARS OF SERVICE FOR SHERRY WHITE, UH, MANAGING THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. OKAY, SO THIS, THIS SLIDE, AND EXCUSE ME, AS I PULL UP SOME OF MY NOTES. THIS SLIDE IS KIND OF A COMPREHENSIVE, UH, CHANGE. SO ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE SLIDES GOING FORWARD, UM, ARE REPRESENTED HERE THAT ADOPT CHANGES BETWEEN THE LAST TIME WE MET, WHICH WAS THE WORK SESSIONS BUDGET. SO AT THE WORK SESSIONS BUDGET, THE TOTAL ADOPTIVE EXPENDITURES WAS A HUNDRED MILLION 338,000. AND WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY AS THE TENTATIVE EXPENDITURE FOR FY 25 IS 106,156,000 OF THAT AMOUNT. 3.6 MILLION WAS FY 23 SURPLUS THAT WAS ALLOCATED. AND JUST AS A REFRESHER, UM, 2.4 MILLION WAS, EXCUSE ME, 2.6 MILLION WAS TO THE P-S-P-R-S UNFUNDED LIABILITY AND 1 MILLION TO THE UPTOWN PARKING SYSTEM. WE HAVE A, A PLACEHOLDER HERE. THIS AMOUNT WILL CHANGE, WHICH IS THE NEW DEBT SERVICE ESTIMATE. WE PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN OF 900,000. AGAIN, THIS AMOUNT WILL CHANGE AFTER THE JUNE 11TH MEETING. THAT FINALIZES THE, UM, DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT. WE DO HAVE SOME CIP INCREASES. I HAVE THOSE BROKEN OUT. UH, THE LARGEST BEING $700,000 INCREASE SINCE WE LAST MET TO PTL FOUR B, WHICH IS THE NORTH SR 1 79 PARK AND RIDE. UM, THESE WERE SOME CONSTRUCTION INCREASES THAT CAME INTO THE ESTIMATE. UM, THE NEXT LARGEST WAS, UH, A CARRYOVER TO PUSH PORTION OF PRO THREE C, WHICH IS, UM, THE RANGER STATION, PARK, PARKS AND REC. PARKS AND REC REACHED OUT TO LET US KNOW THAT THERE WAS A DELAY IN THE HALINA BEING BROUGHT. MM-HMM, . UM, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE I'LL [00:20:01] BRING UP IS JUST THE SECONDARY CLARIFIER REHAB, 155,000. THIS IS A CARRYOVER AS, UH, ROXANNE REACHED OUT THAT A PORTION OF THIS WOULD NOT BE COMPLETED IN FY 24 AND WOULD NEED TO BE MOVED TO FY 25. WE DO HAVE $159,000 IN OPERATION, INCREASES 70,000 OF WHICH IS IN CARRYOVERS. THERE IS A $70,000 INCREASE IN THE GIS ANALYST POSITION, OVERLAP IN PLANNING FOR RETIREMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE 19,000 IN MISCELLANEOUS INCREASES. AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN, UM, A DECISION PACKAGE THAT WAS DETERMINED IN THE WORK SESSIONS, WHICH WAS THE POST ADJU CASES, POST ADJU CASES. UM, FTE INCREASE FOR A COURT CLERK, HOLD ON BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, COUNCILOR FOR JUST, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, THE $700,000 INCREASE FOR THE NORTH 1 79 PARK AND RIDE LOT. WHAT, WHAT'S THE 700,000? THAT'S A PRETTY BIG NUMBER. YEAH, MY NOTES, I, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL, I DON'T KNOW IF ANDY COULD SPEAK TO THIS, BUT I GOT AN EMAIL FROM JOHN HALL THAT THE BID CAME IN MUCH HIGHER THAN EXPECTED. THAT WHAT IS THE, THE BID FOR THE, UH, NORTH SR 1 79 PARK AND RIGHT. CIP AND I THINK IT'S THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE THAT'S COMING BACK. HOLD ON. CORRECT. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU ANDY. THE, I'M SORRY. THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, I THINK IS WHAT WAS BEING REFERRED TO. 'CAUSE THEY'RE IN THE DESIGN PHASE RIGHT NOW. SO OF WHAT PARK, WHAT WE OWN THE A PROPERTY, WHAT IS BEING DONE THERE AS FAR AS THE IMPROVEMENTS? IT WOULD BE RESTROOM, FACILITY SHADES, UH, STRUCTURES, UTILITIES TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE WATER SERVICE, UM, WASTEWATER SERVICE, THAT SORT OF THING. POWER ALL OF THAT. SO THE, HOLD ON, BRIAN'S GOING. SO THE 700,000 IS FOR ALL OF THAT OR THE ENGINEERING DESIGN WORK FOR ALL OF THAT. SO AS I RECALL, THAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE. LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK. UM, AND IT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, SOME CIRCULATION IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT THE BUSES, WHEN THEY PULL THROUGH THE LOT, THEY'RE ABLE TO DIRECTLY GO ONTO 1 79. SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING INTERACTION ISSUES WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO PARK AND WAITING FOR THE SHUTTLE AND THAT SORT OF THING. BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DUST AUTHORIZATION, IS THAT RIGHT? IT DOES. AND WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH ADOT ON THAT AND THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH OUR PLAN. IS THE TIMEFRAME GONNA COORDINATE WITH YOUR PROJECT? IT, IT APPEARS SO. OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT. BRIAN, ARE YOU COMPLETED? YEAH, I'M GONNA TRY TO BE LESS QUOTABLE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCIL WILLIAMS, I'M MOVING ON TO A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. IS THAT OKAY? IS WE DONE WITH THIS ONE? OKAY. UM, YOU SAID THAT THE HALINA IS BEING DELAYED. WHAT KIND OF BUDGETARY IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE? I MEAN, IS IT COSTING MORE BECAUSE IT'S BEING DELAYED? NO. WELL THEN I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS MENTIONED, BUT, SO THE, THE CHANGE IN BUDGET AND, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR, FOR OUR FINANCE STAFF, BUT IT'S, IT'S UH, ESSENTIALLY JUST TO MOVE IT INTO FY 25. SO THE, IT IS PUTTING THE SPENDING AUTHORITY INTO 25 TO PAY THE BILL SINCE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN 24. BUT IT'S NOT NEW MONEY OR THE PRICE IS THE SAME. THANK YOU. RIGHT. AND THAT THE PRICE IS THE SAME. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A DATE? NOVEMBER IS WHAT I HEARD LAST. ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S SEPTEMBER IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. OKAY, WELL THAT'S THE BETTER I ASKED HER. OKAY. ALRIGHT COUNSEL WILLIAMSON, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ASK? NO. ANYTHING MORE ON THIS SIDE? NO THANKS, MAYOR. COULD YOU REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION ABOUT THE MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE GARAGE? IS THAT FOR THE TECHNOLOGY? UM, THIS, SO THIS WAS DETERMINED IN THE COUNCIL WORK SESSIONS FOR UPTOWN PARKING SYSTEM. WE CREATED A NEW CIPI DON'T KNOW, ANDY, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFICS ON THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IT'S THE, THE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. OKAY. SOFTWARE. THAT'S RIGHT. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU. RIGHT. SOFTWARE. OKAY. CONTINUE ON. OKAY. SO THE FY 2025 BUDGET IS BALANCED. JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS HERE. OUR ESTIMATED JULY 1ST, 2024 FUND BALANCES ARE AT 116 MILLION. ESTIMATED REVENUES FOR THE FY 25 YEAR IS 69.9 MILLION LESS. OUR ESTIMATED RESERVES ARE TOTAL, AND LET ME MOVE THIS OUT [00:25:01] OF THE WAY, LESS OUR ESTIMATED POLICY RESERVES. OUR TOTAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE IS 110 MILLION. SO THIS 110 MILLION IS THE AMOUNT THAT COULD BE BUDGETED UP TO. SO OUR BUDGETED EXPENDITURES AT 106.2 MILLION LEAVES, EX SOURCE EXCESS RESOURCES AVAILABLE AT 4.5 MILLION. AND I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO KEEP MOVING THIS TEAMS AROUND. OKAY. LOOKING AT OUR REVENUES AND OTHER FINANCING SOURCES, A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IS FOR FY 25, WE HAVE CITY SALES TAXES AND BED TAXES, UH, AS AN INCREASE, UH, FOR FY 24. UM, DUE TO CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES, WE HAVE UNDER BUDGETED THESE AMOUNTS. IF YOU HAVE BEEN TRACKING THE SALES AND BED TAX REPORTS, FY 24 IS LIKELY TO COME IN MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS. UM, AS WELL AS, UM, FOR FY 25 PROPOSED AT THE BOTTOM IT BONDS ISSUED, UM, LOOKING AT TENTATIVE AMOUNTS, BUT IT IS LIKELY THAT THIS AMOUNT COULD DECREASE TO ABOUT 16 AND A HALF MILLION, UH, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS OVERALL FOR DEBT ISSUANCE. OKAY. SO REVENUE CHANGES. UM, A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS STATE SHARED INCOME TAX, UH, WE ARE, UM, PROJECTING A DECREASE. UH, YOU HAVE A HIGH FLOOD COUNTY CONTROL DECREASE OF ABOUT 150,000. UM, AND IN TOTAL FOR NET REVENUES WE HAVE AT 69,892,000. QUESTION ON THE STATE SHARED INCOME TAX. THAT, THAT'S JUST THE FORMULA CHANGE. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT JUST OUR PROJECTION THAT'S HAPPENING TO EVERY MUNICIPALITY BASED ON FORMULA CHANGE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. CORRECT. BRIAN, THANK YOU. MAYOR IS THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK GRANT STILL IN PLAY. SO I KNOW SHANNON'S HERE. I, I, I THINK I SAW HER HERE EARLIER, BUT THIS IS, SHE'S HERE. OKAY. HEY SHANNON, WE HAD, UM, PUT THIS AS TENTATIVE, BUT THERE IS AN OPTION TO REDUCE THIS AT THE TIME OF FINAL ADOPTION. BUT FOR NOW, I HAVE LEFT THIS IN AS A TENTATIVE REVENUE. THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION. IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THE STATE HAS MADE A DECISION ON WHETHER THAT'S GONNA BE FORFEIT OR NOT. THEY HAVE NOT MADE THAT DECISION YET. THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN I PICK YOU BACK PLEASE? SHANNON? DO YOU HAVE A, AN ANTICIPATED DATE? UM, I BELIEVE THE MEETING THEY WERE GOING TO DECIDE IN WAS IN THE FIRST WEEK OF JUNE. THANK YOU. CAN YOU JUST GO OVER WHAT THE CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED FUNDING FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER? I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK. OH, I'M SORRY. THEN HOLD ON. MINE AND WHY'D YOU FINISH UP? SO WE'LL HAVE THE INFORMATION PRIOR TO FINAL ADOPTION, I BELIEVE. SO WHEN IS FINAL ADOPTION? JUNE 25TH. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THEN TO MY QUESTION OF THE, UH, EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, THIS IS A, A REVENUE SOURCE, UM, THAT WE ESTIMATE FOR EVERY YEAR. AND THIS WAS JUST AN INCREASE THAT, UH, WE HAD A CALCULATED AS A $900,000 INCREASE FOR THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. OKAY. YES. VICE MAYOR, MAYBE THIS COULD BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE CHIEF CHIEF. IS THAT A ONE TIME DEAL OR AN ONGOING? SO I, I CAN ACTUALLY HELP WITH THAT IF YOU WANT. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU . THANK YOU CHIEF. THAT WAS VERY GOOD. . SO THOSE ARE THE FUNDS THAT WE'RE STILL DUE BACK TO ACCOUNT FOR THE REMODEL OF THE POLICE STATION. OH, SEE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS TIED TO THAT. AND THE PROCESS OF GETTING PAID FOR THAT HAS BEEN PAINFULLY LONG. AND, UM, FORTUNATELY IT LOOKS LIKE HERE REALLY SOON WE'RE GONNA SEE THOSE FUNDS. WE'RE COMING DOWN TO THE END OF THAT PROCESS FINALLY. SO KNOCK WOOD. YEAH. SO THIS IS REIMBURSEMENT FOR EXPENDITURES, RIGHT? CORRECT. THANK YOU, ANDY. AND IS THAT WHAT'S TECHNICALLY BEING CALLED INSTEAD OF THE POLICE STATION? IT'S, AND OR COMMUNICATION. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY THE COMP CENTER, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT DISPATCH. SO, SO THAT'S WHAT HAD ME A LITTLE, THE, THE GRANT FUNDS WERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE UPGRADES RELATED TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE, THE MULTIPURPOSE CONFERENCE ROOM? THAT'S OKAY. NOW OFFICIALLY, OFFICIALLY [00:30:01] IT'S THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. RIGHT. SO I IT'S THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT'S OKAY. I UNDERSTAND CHIEF. THANK YOU . OKAY, CONTINUE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM NADES? OKAY, GO AHEAD. UH, TAKING A LOOK AT IT AT EXPENDITURES, UM, FOR PERSONNEL ONGOING, THIS FY 25 BASE, IF WE EXCLUDE DECISION PACKAGES, WHICH, UM, ARE INCLUDED IN THIS NUMBER, OUR INCREASE IS ABOUT 7%. UM, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO REVIEW HERE IS THE ONE TIME PERSONNEL INCREASE. SO WE SEE THIS 4.169 MILLION. SO THIS DOES INCLUDE THE 4.1 P-S-P-R-S ALLOCATION AS WELL AS 69,000 TO THE GIS POSITION OVERLAP. UM, AND LOOKING BACK AT FY 24, THIS 1.3 MILLION, UH, ALSO WAS THE PS PER RS, UH, ONE-TIME PAYMENT PLUS A FEW OTHER, UH, ONE-TIME COSTS. UM, SO IN TOTAL ALL OPERATIONAL COSTS AT 18%. IF WE EXCLUDE THE P-S-P-R-S UNFUNDED LIABILITY, THE NET INCREASE TO EXPENDITURES IS 8%, NOT 18%. AND LASTLY, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. UH, INCREASING 43% OR 14,535,000 IF WE EXCLUDE THE PARKING GARAGE. UM, THIS INCREASE TO CIP IS ABOUT 1.6%. SO THAT PARKING GARAGE IS, IS ALLOCATING A BIG PORTION OF THIS INCREASE HERE. OKAY. LOOKING AT SALARY AND BENEFIT CHANGES, I PUT A LITTLE ARROW IN HERE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR DECISION PACKAGES FROM THE WORK SESSIONS, THE FY 23 SURPLUS 4.1 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED AS A-P-S-P-R-S ONE TIME CONTRIBUTION TO FULLY FUND THE LIABILITY. THAT IS, UH, BY FAR THE BIGGEST INCREASE HERE TO THE SALARY AND BENEFIT CHANGES. UH, AND THEN I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT I DID THAT WE DID DO A DEDUCTION OF THE FY 24 1 TIME CONTRIBUTION THAT WAS 1.2 MILLION. SO NET CHANGES FOR FY 25 GETS US TO 25,291,000. I JUST NEED TO MOVE THIS AGAIN. OKAY. SO LOOKING AT DECISION PACKAGES, UM, JUST TO REVIEW, UM, FOR PERSONNEL, WE HAVE AN HR SPECIALIST AT ONE FTE ONE TOURISM CO COORDINATOR WITH UH, $20,000 GOING TO A CONSULTANT. ORIGINALLY THIS UH, DECISION PACKAGE WAS PROPOSED AS TWO TOURISM COORDINATORS AND, UH, KAREN OSBORNE AT THE TIME HAD RECOMMENDED JUST ONE TOURISM COORDINATOR. WE HAVE A PROGRAM MANAGER FOR PARKING TRAILS AND PUBLIC WORKS, CUSTODIAL MAINTENANCE WORKER FACILITIES MAINTENANCE WORKER, AN EVIDENCE TECHNICIAN CHANGING FROM PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME. UH, VICTIM SERVICE SPECIALIST BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR, THE REALLOCATION OF FOUR PART-TIME CSAS TO TWO FULL-TIME CSOS, UH, THE CONTINUATION OF AN ONGOING TEMPORARY COURT CLERK AND, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY COUNSEL IN THE WORK SESSIONS, THE ADDITION OF A NEW COURT CLERK POSITION FOR POST ADJUDICATED CASES. AND THEN LASTLY, THE P-S-P-R-S ONE TIME CONTRIBUTION. MELISSA AND THEN BRIAN, THIS IS, UM, PROBABLY JUST MY, NOT REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, BUT I THOUGHT ON THE NEW COURT CLERK POSITION, WE ASKED FOR A REVIEW TO BE DONE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE REALLY WERE SUFFICIENT CASES TO WARRANT A, ANOTHER FULL-TIME POSITION AND THAT, THAT INFORMATION BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNSEL FOR US TO DISCUSS. SO I ANNETTE AND YOU ARE CORRECT. SO I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. MAYOR JALO AND COUNSELOR DUNN. UM, THAT IS CORRECT. AND I'VE BEEN OUT TO THE COURT TWICE NOW AND THEY'VE SUBMITTED SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENTATION TO ME OF CASELOAD AND I'VE BEEN REVIEWING IT. I'VE ALSO CHATTED WITH, UM, CITY MANAGERS AND OTHER, UM, VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES ON HOW THEY EVALUATE STAFFING FOR MUNICIPAL COURT. UM, AND MY INITIAL REVIEW OF ALL OF THAT IS THAT IT IS WARRANTED. UM, SO I THINK THAT WHAT I WAS THINKING FOR TONIGHT, I CAN WRITE UP ALL OF THE FINDINGS FOR YOU, BUT THAT TO INCLUDE IT IN THE BUDGET, IT'S STILL TENTATIVE, YOU KNOW, NOT HIGHER UNTIL WE GET ALL OF THAT DONE. BUT, UM, THEY'VE BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING WITH ALL THEIR INFORMATION AND I HAVE SAT WITH THEM AND LOOKED THROUGH ALL OF THEIR DOCUMENTATION. THEY ALSO HAVE AGREED TO, UM, DEVELOP MONTHLY REPORTING FOR ME, UM, [00:35:01] ON A NUMBER OF STATISTICS OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE MONITORING OF IT BESIDES JUST THE FINANCIAL DATA THEY'VE BEEN RECONCILING WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, THIS LINE ITEM HERE IS, IS ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATION BEING PLACED IN THE TENTATIVE BUDGET, BUT IS NOT A FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU'RE PLANNING ON PRESENTING TO US. AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FINAL BUDGET IN JUNE? CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL FUL AND COUNCILOR FURMAN AFTER. THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST A QUICK PROCESS QUESTION. SO THIS AGENDA ITEM IS GONNA BE HANDLED LIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE WE'RE JUST DOING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW AND THERE WILL STILL BE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE CLOSE IT OUT, CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND THAT'S, IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL? JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU SAID ABOUT PROCESS FOR THIS, I DON'T WANT, I JUST FOR COMMENT, I'M RESERVING COMMENTS AT THE MOMENT AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WILL HAVE TIME FOR COMMENTS AFTER WE GO THROUGH PRESENTATION AND QUESTIONS. OKAY. I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT I NOW I UNDERSTAND. AND, AND AM I CORRECT THAT THAT IS HOW WE WILL HANDLE THIS ITEM? I THANK YOU. I THINK SO. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OH, PETE, YOU WANTED SOMETHING? THANK MAYOR. UH, ANNETTE. UH, MY QUESTION IS REALLY, I WENT AFTER OUR SESSION ON THE BUDGET, I WENT TO THAT COURT WEBSITE TO TRY AND LOOK AT THE WORKLOADS RELATIVE TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE KIND OF OUR SIZE. AND I WAS ACTUALLY DISAPPOINTED ON SORT OF THE DATA I COULD SEE FROM SEDONA. IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME MIS DRIVING IT, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR REMARKS AND COMMENT AND LOOKING INTO, UH, WHAT'S AVAILABLE PUBLICLY AND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM THE COURT AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO CONTINUE ON. OKAY. AND COUNSELOR DUNN, I, UH, WE INCLUDED THIS NUMBER IN AS TODAY'S ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE BUDGET SETS THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT. SO YOU CAN ALWAYS REMOVE AMOUNTS AFTER THIS, RIGHT? I, OKAY. UM, FOR OPERATION CHANGES, THERE WAS 359,000 IN DECISION PACKAGES, $240,000 INCREASE FOR THE IN-HOUSE TOURISM BUREAU, UH, $450,000 INCREASE TO THE PUBLIC TRANSIT, UH, FOR VERDE SHUTTLE 385,000 FOR ONE TIME, UH, MAINTENANCE AND STREET REHAB AND SOME OTHER ITEMS. AND THEN LASTLY, I I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE IS 390,000 IN FY 24 BUDGET CARRYOVER. SO THAT WILL REDUCE THE ENDING FUND BALANCE FOR FY 24. UM, AND THIS WILL CARRY OVER AS ONE TIME EXPENDITURES INTO THE FY 25 BUDGET. THAT TOTAL AMOUNT BRINGING THE OPERATION CHANGES FOR FY 25 TO 23,663,000 COMMENTS. OKAY. OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE DECISION PACKAGES, UH, FOR OPERATIONS. SO WE HAVE THE DESTINATION MARKETING PACKAGE AT 200,000, THE PARKS AND RECREATION, AUTISM AND SENSORY AWARENESS TRAINING, THE SKATE PARK LIGHTING AND POSSE GROUNDS, WHICH IS A ONE-TIME COST. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE SNOWPLOW SUPERVISOR WORK TRUCK AND THE WASTEWATER WIFI. AND THE TOTAL REQUEST IS $359,100. OKAY. NOW GETTING INTO CIP, UM, THE BUDGET IS GOING FROM 34 MILLION TO 48,332,000. UM, AND THE BIGGEST INCREASE YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE SEDONA IN MOTION INCREASE. AND THIS IS TIED DIRECTLY TO THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. AND THEN I DO HAVE A NOTE FOR THE WASTEWATER INCREASE THIS 3 MILLION IS WW NINE, WHICH IS THE TREATMENT PROCESS UPGRADE FOR THE UV LIGHTS AT THE WASTEWATER FACILITY. OKAY. AND THEN DO HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS, UH, FOR THE DEBT SERVICE CHANGES. SO WE DO HAVE THE ELIMINATION OF THE SERIES 1998 BOND PAYMENT, UH, A CHANGE IN THE SERIES 2021 BOND PAYMENT. AND IT IS SMALL, BUT WE, UM, WE WILL SEE A DROP IN THE ESTIMATED SERIES 2024 INTEREST PAYMENT AS THAT, UH, DEBT AMOUNT IS COMING DOWN. SO THIS, FOR THE FINAL ADOPTION, SHE'D BE CLOSER TO ABOUT 750,000 TO 800,000 FOR THE FIRST YEAR'S INTEREST PAYMENT FOR CONTINGENCY TOTALS. HOLD ON. YEAH. VICE MAYOR, CAN YOU EXPLAIN PLEASE THE CHANGE IN THE SECOND IN THE SERIES 2021 BOND PAYMENT? SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE, THE BOND STRUCTURES UP, BUT WHEN THESE OR INITIALLY WERE CREATED, UM, THEY WERE TIMED TO HAVE THE STRUCTURE OF [00:40:01] PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS HIT WHEN OTHER DEBT SERVICE WAS FALLING OFF. SO THIS IS GOING UP AS THE 1998 PONDS ARE, ARE GOING DOWN AND WE'RE KIND OF DOING THE SIMILAR STRUCTURE WITH THE SERIES 2024 BOND PAYMENTS AS WELL. THANK YOU, BRIAN. THE CHANGE, THE, THE ASSUMED CHANGE ON THE SERIES 2024 INTEREST PAYMENT, IS THAT DRIVEN BY INTEREST RATES? THE PRINCIPLE OR TIMING OF WHEN THE BONDS GO INTO PLACE? IT'S, IT'S, UH, MOSTLY DRIVEN BY THE AMOUNT AVAILABLE ON THE 2022 SERIES BONDS THAT WE HAD. UM, MORE THAN INITIALLY EXPECTED. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT ABOUT 18.6 MILLION AS WELL AS THE GENERAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS, I BELIEVE WERE, UM, 22.6 FOR THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. SO THAT IN TOTAL REDUCED THE NET AMOUNT WE HAVE TO BORROW. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. OKAY. LOOKING AT CONTINGENCY CHANGES, WE HAVE THE ELIMINATION OF THE TOURISM INITIATIVES CONTINGENCY OF 568,000 AND AS WELL AS THE ELIMINATION OF THE ARPA CONTINGENCY. SO DROPPING, UM, BY A LARGE AMOUNT, THE FY 25 BUDGETED CONTINGENCY TO 957, EXCUSE ME, 957,000. AND THAT IS SHOWN AS WELL. HERE IN THIS SLIDE WE HAVE, UH, THE GENERAL FUND FUNDING, THE GENERAL OPERATING CONTINGENCY OF 200,000 AS WELL AS THE WASTEWATER ENTERPRISE FUND. WE HAVE 57,000 TO THE HOUSING FUND AND 500,000 TO THE GRANT DONATIONS FUND FOR UNKNOWN GRANTS AND DONATIONS AS WELL AS A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO JUDGEMENTS. OKAY. UM, DID WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THE INNER FUND TRANSFERS. SO A BIG PORTION OF TRANSFERS DO COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE OUR SALES AND BED TAX, UH, REVENUES DO COME. 'CAUSE THESE ARE UNRESTRICTED FUNDS. SO THE GENERAL FUND DOES SEND OUT, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE, THE MONIES TO OTHER FUNDS. SO WE DO HAVE 900,000 TO THE HOUSING FUND IN LOANS. WE HAVE, UH, 12.3 MILLION GONNA THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS TO COVER CAPITAL RESERVES AS WELL AS, UM, THE COST OF UPCOMING CIP. WE HAVE 365,840 GOING TO THE PUB, UH, TO THE PUBLIC TRANSIT ENTERPRISE FUND, AND 3 MILLION GOING TO THE WASTEWATER ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH IS A SUBSIDY THAT IS COMING DOWN, I BELIEVE BY THE YEAR 26 27, IS TO REVIEW THE SUBSIDY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE WASTEWATER ENTERPRISE FUND. UM, FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND, THAT IS THE ONE HALF CENTS SALES TAX. SO THAT IS, UH, SENDING AN, AN INTER FUND TRANSFER OF 8 MILLION TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND AND 3.8 MILLION TO THE PUBLIC TRANSIT ENTERPRISE FUND. OKAY. AND, AND JUST REAL QUICKLY, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BY CATEGORY. SO THESE ARE GROUPED INTO BUCKETS. THE LARGEST BEING SEDONA IN MOTION AT 28 MILLION. WASTEWATER AT 4.4 MILLION IS CARRYOVER. AND THEN ON DOWNWARD, SO THE NEW APPROPRIATION FROM PRIOR YEAR CARRYOVER IS 11,393,000, BRINGING THE TOTAL FY 2025 PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET TO $48,332,060. THIS IS JUST A SLIDE JOINT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BY FUNDING SOURCE. SO WE HAVE UNRESTRICTED CAPITAL RESERVES AT 7,400,000 DEBT FINANCING AND ABOUT 17 MILLION TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX, 9.6 MILLION WASTEWATER REVENUES AS WELL AS THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE AT 6.2 MILLION. AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES FUNDING 4.6 MILLION GRANTS OF DONATIONS TO 2.7 MILLION AND THEN DOWNWARD TO THE 1% FOR ARTS TOTALING THE 48,332,000. UM, LASTLY THIS SLIDE IS FROM THE WORK SESSIONS. THERE WERE A FEW THINGS REFRESHED HERE. ONE THING I DID WANT TO CALL OUT IS COUNSEL DID ALLOCATE A PORTION OF THE SURPLUS TO THE HOUSING FUND. SO THIS AMOUNT DID GO UP FROM 18.9 MILLION TO 19.3 MILLION. BLESS YOU. AND, AND JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS NOT A PART OF THE BUDGET AS AN EXPENDITURE. THIS IS A LOAN. UM, WE DO HAVE THE BROADBAND IN HERE AT 10,000 AND I DID WANT TO ALSO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR THE AIRPORT FOR FY 24, IT WAS AT 80,000 AND WE ARE ALLOCATING 10,000 TO THE AIRPORT. OKAY. SO LASTLY, JUST TO REVIEW THE GENERAL FUND SURPLUSES. SO IN THE WORK SESSIONS, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAD A 5.8 MILLION OF FY 23 SURPLUS TO ALLOCATE. THERE WAS A DECISION PACKAGE PROPOSED FOR 1.5 MILLION AND COUNSEL, UH, DID APPLY AN ADDITIONAL [00:45:01] 2.6 MILLION TO FULLY FUND THE P-S-P-R-S LIABILITY. 1 MILLION WAS USED FOR THE UPTOWN PARKING SYSTEM, 400,000 LOAN TO HOUSING FUND AND 300,000 APPLIED TO THE CAPITAL RESERVES FOR FFY 24. THE ESTIMATE IS 11.1 MILLION OF WHICH 9.5 MILLION, UM, OF THIS SURPLUS HAS BEEN APPLIED TO CAPITAL RESERVES. ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS THE ESTIMATED REMAINING GENERAL FUND SURPLUS BALANCES. SO FOR FY 24, WE'RE ESTIMATING 1.6 MILLION. AND FOR FY 25, 2 0.1 MILLION TOTAL TOTALING 3.7 MILLION. SO THE UH, FFY 2024 SURPLUS WILL BE ALLOCATED IN THE 2026 BUDGET PROCESS AND THE FY 2025 SURPLUS WILL BE ALLOCATED IN THE FY 27 BUDGET PROCESS. THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE BUDGET WILL BE THE FINAL BUDGET OPTION ON JUNE 25TH. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. SUE. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR FUL, YOU WANT TO NOW ADDRESS THAT QUESTION THAT YOU HAD? NO, NO QUESTIONS. JUST DISCUSSION HOW MUCH? OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. WILL DO. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. LET'S GO TO DISCUSSION AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON. NO PUBLIC FORUM ON THIS ONE. NO PUBLIC HEARING. DO THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST. WE COULD DO THAT. WE HAVE ANY, ANY CARDS? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO NOT. AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, THERE'S NO INTEREST. SO BRIAN. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, FIRST OFF, YOUR WORK IS EXCELLENT. IT WAS EXCELLENT AT THE TWO DAY WORKSHOP AND, UH, IT'S EXCELLENT AGAIN THIS EVENING. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING AND, UH, YOU, YOU DO AN EXCELLENT JOB OF MAKING COMPLICATED WROTE, UM, DOLLARS AND CENTS REAL FOR US. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. UM, FOR MY COLLEAGUES, MY, MY CONCERN, WHAT I TOOK AWAY MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE TWO DAY SESSION WAS WHEN SHERRY SAID, WHEN SHE HAD UP THE, UH, THE 10 YEAR OUT WHAT IF CALCULATOR AND WAS LIKE, LOOK, YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT CONTINUES TO, UM, RESONATE WITH ME. AND, AND SHE PUT IT TO US AS, HEY, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING THIS TIME, BUT YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE, IT'S CALLED A DISCIPLINE, RIGHT? AND THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM OF ANYBODY, RIGHT? BUT CHOOSE A DIFFERENT WORD IF YOU LIKE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE MORE DISCIPLINE GOING FORWARD. AND I JUST SORT OF FEEL LIKE, WELL IF WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO THAT, WHY ARE WE GONNA WAIT A YEAR TO DO THAT? AND SO I DO STRUGGLE WHEN I LOOK AT ONGOING OPERATIONAL COSTS, ONGOING PERSONNEL COSTS THAT ARE LOOKING AT 13% INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. THAT'S A BIG NUMBER, RIGHT? AND IT'S OUTSTRIPPING REVENUE INCREASES, OR AT LEAST WHAT WE CAN EXPECT. AND I DON'T WANT US TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING REVENUE INCREASES TO PAY FOR ONGOING OPERATIONAL EXPENSE. OPERATIONAL IN PARTICULAR STAFF, EVEN MORE PARTICULAR KNOWING THAT YOU'RE STARTING A METER RUNNING EVERY TIME YOU BRING ANOTHER EMPLOYEE ON. SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, DO I HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, BRILLIANT IDEAS? I MEAN, OKAY, SO I DID VOTE THUMBS DOWN ON A FEW OF THE DECISION PACKAGES AND I THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN ALONE ON SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, A SNOWPLOW, SORRY, I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER SNOWPLOW IN THIS TOWN. NOBODY GOES ANYWHERE WHEN IT SNOWS. THEY STAY HOME AND IT MELTS WITHIN 24 HOURS. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S A SMALL PIECE, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE SHOULDN'T LOSE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT OF BELT TIGHTENING AND NOT JUST GO AHEAD AND SPEND MORE JUST BECAUSE WE CAN. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT AT THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DUNN, ANYTHING? NOT AT THIS TIME. VICE MAYOR. I HEAR COUNCILMAN FUL AND I'M WITH HIM. UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE, UH, REVENUE, THE, BECAUSE I'M REALLY WORRIED OF THE DAY IT ENDS, RIGHT? AND WHAT DO WE DO THEN? SO LET'S NOT WAIT TILL THE DAY IT ENDS. LET'S START THINKING ABOUT IT NOW. AND I COULD GIVE US A PAGE. I'M TRYING TO FIND IT. OKAY. SO THIS WOULD BE REVENUE CHANGES, I GUESS THAT SLIDE AND CAN'T QUITE TELL WHAT PAGE IT'S ON 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE PAGE NUMBERS ON THIS PRESENTATION. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE PAGE 10. [00:50:01] IT'S, THAT'S THE SLIDE. THE CITY, THE, YOU KNOW, SHERRY USED TO TELL US WHETHER SHE WAS BEING CONSERVATIVE AND HOW CONSERVATIVE SHE WAS BEING ON THE REVENUE SIDE. AND SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE A SLIDE, OR MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE US THROUGH, YOU ARE LOOKING AT 2.8 MILLION IN CITY SALES TAX INCREASE AND 1.2 MILLION ON BED TAX INCREASE. WHAT, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT, UH, HOW DO THOSE NUMBERS COMPARE WITH THE INCREASES IN THE PAST? I'D LIKE TO SEE A CHART WHERE, WHAT ARE THE, BECAUSE TWO YEARS AGO WE SAID WE WERE CONSERVATIVE, BUT WE WEREN'T, WE OVERESTIMATED THE REVENUE. NOW IT WAS FINE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SPENDING AS MUCH AS THE REVENUE, BUT WE LOOKED AT THE PAST REVENUE AND WE ESTIMATED INCREASES WHERE IT ACTUALLY WAS FLAT IF NOT DECREASES. SO HOW, HOW DO THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO THESE NUMBERS COME FROM? HOW DID YOU ESTIMATE THEM? YEAH, I CAN ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICKLY. SO THE, THESE WERE CALCULATED WHILE SHERRY WAS STILL WITH THE CITY. UM, I DID GO BACK AND REVIEW THE, UH, PRIOR YEAR TENTATIVE BUDGET PROPOSAL. SO FROM FY 23 TO FY 24, THERE WAS A SLIGHT PROJECTION FOR A RECESSION. SO THERE WAS A DECREASED PROJECTED ON THESE REVENUES. LOOKING AT THE CURRENT, UH, SALES AND BED TAX INCREASES THIS YEAR ARE GOING TO FAR EXCEED WHAT THE FY 24 BUDGET IS FOR THESE REVENUES. SO THIS IS JUST MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT CURRENT FISCAL YEAR REVENUE PROJECTIONS WOULD BE. SO EVEN THOUGH THIS, THIS APPEARS AS AN INCREASE, THIS WOULD BE AT PAR WITH WHAT FI 24 SALARY, UH, EXCUSE ME, FI 24, UH, SALES TAX AND BED TAXES WOULD BE, SO NOT NECESSARILY AN INCREASE. OKAY. SO IT'S AN INCREASE FROM THE BUDGET OF LAST YEAR, BUT NOT AN INCREASE TO THE ACTUALS? CORRECT. OKAY. SO YOU'D SAY YOU WERE REALLY CONSERVATIVE IN THAT SENSE? YES, I WOULD SAY SO. OKAY. ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10. YEAH. , WELL, 10 BEING THE MOST CONSERVATIVE. YEAH. WORKING WITH SHERRY, UM, IN BERNADETTE AS WE WORKED TOGETHER ON THESE, I WOULD SAY ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, THIS IS, IF CONSERVATIVE IS A, IS A ZERO, I'D SAY A TWO IN OUR, IN OUR ESTIMATES. OKAY. AND VICE MAYOR. UM, AND MAYOR JALO. UM, WE ALSO HAVE ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THE UPDATE ON THE MOST RECENT NUMBERS FROM THE SALES AND BED TAX. SO THEY SHOULD HAVE A LOT MORE OF THE CHARTS AND EVERYTHING AVAILABLE FOR YOU FOR THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL. AND WE DID JUST PUBLISH THE APRIL INVESTMENT REPORT. MM-HMM. . AND THAT DOES SHOW, UH, THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS. WELL WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UH, I'M GONNA GO TO THE PAGE WHERE, LEMME SEE THE CAPITAL GENERAL FUND SURPLUS IS, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE NUMBER THAT IS AGAIN, BUT IT'S CALLED GENERAL FUND SURPLUSES AND IT'S CLOSER TO THE END. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ACTUAL SURPLUSES IN 21, 22, 23, 24 THROUGH DOUBLE DIGIT MILLION, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO 25. DO YOU GUYS SEE THAT PAGE? YEAH, IT'S RIGHT UP ON THE SCREEN. WE'RE AT 2.1 MILLION. SO WE'RE STARTING TO BE REALLY CLOSE. SEE THIS IS THIS WHAT MAKES ME NERVOUS? WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY, ANY, UH, GLITCHES. SO IF THE BED TAX AND SALES TAX STARTS TO DECLINE, WHERE ARE WE? WE'RE WE, I MEAN ARE WE AT GOING INTO OUR RESERVES? ARE WE AT STOPPING PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, HOLDING BACK ON CAPITAL? I MEAN THAT'S REALLY TIGHT. SO HOW DO WE RECONCILE THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S OF CONCERN TO ME. THIS IS JADE MCGANN. UM, THE BUDGET ITSELF, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE TAX NUMBERS, UM, AS STERLING HAD MENTIONED, THEY ARE BUDGETED CONSERVATIVELY. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE 2025 ESTIMATED SURPLUS, THAT IS JUST BASED ON THE BUDGET, WE DO ANTICIPATE, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, TAX REVENUE ITSELF TO COME IN HIGHER JUST AS IT IT AS IT HAS IN, UH, THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND SO WHILE THIS IS THE BUDGETED SURPLUS, THE ACTUAL SURPLUS WILL UNDOUBTEDLY COME IN, UH, QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT THE ACTUAL BUDGETED SURPLUS IS. SO THE BUDGET AND THE ESTIMATED WOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. RIGHT. BUT [00:55:01] OKAY, SO 2024 ESTIMATE IS 11.1 MILLION. WHAT ARE YOU, IS THAT YOUR CURRENT ESTIMATE? CORRECT. THAT IS THE CURRENT ESTIMATE FOR FY 24. WHAT WAS THE BUDGET? WHAT WAS THE BUDGET IN 2024? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE ESTIMATE MATCHES TO WHAT WE EXPECTED. I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER ON HAND, BUT I CAN, I CAN GET THAT NUMBER AND, AND PROVIDE THAT. UM, SO TO YOUR QUESTION, VICE MAYOR, UM, IF THERE WERE A CONSIDERABLE DROP IN REVENUES, WE DO HAVE CAPITAL RESERVES. WE ALSO HAVE THE OPTION OF POSTPONING AND GOING AS A PAY-AS-YOU-GO MODEL FOR CIP. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS IF THERE IS A DRAMATIC DECREASE. UM, I THINK FIRST BEING LEANING UPON OUR CAPITAL RESERVES AND THEN SECOND DELAYING THE ACTUAL CIP EXPENDITURES. COULD I FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT RIGHT THERE? MM-HMM. , I JUST WANNA WAIT TILL SHE NO, NO, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT. UH, SO BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD HERE FOLLOWING THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT, WHICH IS DO WE HAVE, AND I GUESS THIS QUESTION WOULD GO TO ANDY. UM, DO WE HAVE A LIST OF THE CIP PROJECTS THAT COULD BE, IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE PROJECTING A FINANCIAL SLUMP MM-HMM , UM, WHAT COULD BE CUT THAT ISN'T UNDERWAY ALREADY THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT WOULDN'T NEGATIVELY AFFECT THINGS? I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR WHAT WOULD BE PLAN B IF A WORST CASE SCENARIO SITUATION ARISE THAT WE COULD SAY, ALRIGHT, SO THERE WERE 10 PROJECTS, THESE TWO NO BRAINER THAT THEY COULD BE PUT ASIDE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN LIKE GOT IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD? UH, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD QUICKLY PUT TOGETHER. UM, I, I REMEMBER THE, AND DANTE SHARED USE PATH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT THE FIRST TIME, THAT WAS WHY THAT PROJECT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD AT THE TIME IS WE HAD BUDGET ISSUES AND THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT GOT SHELVED FOR THE TIME BEING. SO IT, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO TODAY AS WELL. THERE ARE DEFINITELY PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD BE STARTING AND HAVEN'T STARTED YET, OR, YOU KNOW, WE CAN COMPLETE A DESIGN AS, AS WE, WE HAD STARTED A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN ON IT AND DANTE AT THE TIME AND WE PUT THAT ON THE SHELF AS WELL. SO AS LONG AS WE HAVEN'T PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE COULD LOOK AT ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS ACTUALLY, EXCEPT FOR THOSE THAT ARE ESSENTIAL TO MOVE FORWARD RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. SO, SO I JUST WANT TO JUST, I GET IT . SO I JUST WANT TO ASK ON TOP OF THAT, SO TO WHAT YOUR, YOUR POINT, IF THE PROJECT IS IN DESIGN AND BUT NOT COMPLETED DESIGN, WOULD YOU STOP THE THE THE DESIGN PROCESS? WELL THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT THE QUESTION WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL DECISION. RIGHT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR POINT WAS. SO MY POINT WAS ASKING IF ANDY HAD IN HIS HEAD A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY AS A RIGHT. BUT I'M SAFETY NET. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF IT'S BEEN DESIGNED AND IT HASN'T BEEN SHOVELED IN THE GROUND, YOU COULD STOP IT. BUT IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF DESIGN, WOULD YOU CONTINUE THE DESIGN TO? HOW DO I KNOW THAT YET? NO, I'M JUST ASKING. THAT'S, THAT'S AN ANSWER. THAT'S A QUESTION FOR ANDY. NOT FOR ME. OKAY. WELL I'M JUST ASKING WHERE YOUR MINDSET IS, WHERE, WHERE YOU ARE COMFORTABLE ZONE IS. AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT QUESTION FOR ME AT THE MOMENT. ANNETTE, GO AHEAD. UM, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, MY RECOMMENDATION, UM, COMING FROM PLACES WHERE WE DID HAVE TO DO BUDGET REDUCTIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS IS THAT, AND I THINK THIS IS JUST THE NORMAL PRACTICE, IS THE STAFF IS MONITORING OUR REVENUE AND OUR PERFORMANCE EVERY MONTH. AND IF AS WE SEE THE TREND CHANGE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO A MID-YEAR BUDGET WORK SESSION WITH YOU OR COURT, WHATEVER THE TIMING IS WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING STARTING TO CHANGE IN A NEGATIVE DIRECTION. AND DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE CRITERIA THAT YOU WANT US TO USE TO REPRIORITIZE THINGS, UM, WHETHER THAT'S OPERATIONALLY THE CIP OR WHATEVER. SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE A SPECIAL BUDGET WORK SESSION. I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WOULD MAKE THAT TYPE OF CALL IN TONIGHT'S MEETING ON CORRECT. THAT TYPE OF DIRECTION. BUT I DO WANNA ASSURE YOU THAT WE ACTIVELY REVIEW AND MONITOR ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY AND AS SOON AS, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TIME TO START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WHETHER THAT'S BEFORE YOUR NEXT RETREAT, UM, OR AFTER WHATEVER. BUT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION AS A STRUCTURED CONVERSATION [01:00:01] TO, UM, COME TO AGREEMENT ON THAT TYPE OF CRITERIA THAT THE STAFF WOULD APPLY TO ANY PORTION FUTURE BUDGET PLAN IN THE FORECAST. AND I DO REMEMBER AT THE ONSET OF COVID THERE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. THERE WAS A MIDYEAR, UH, REVIEW OF THE BUDGET AND A TIGHTENING OF THE BELT AT THAT POINT. AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS. SO I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE A HISTORY HERE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. SO THANK YOU. CASTOR, LAMPSON, YOU WANT TO OH, I'M NOT FINISHED. OH, KATHY WAS JUST, I WAS ON HER POINT, RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I HATE WHEN WE DO THAT. AND THEN, AND THEN I WAS, OKAY, GO AHEAD . I, UH, WHERE IS THE RECESSION BUILT IN? WHAT, WHAT YEAR ARE YOU BUILDING IN RECESSION? THE WAY THE MODEL WORKS IS, IS ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS WE BUILD IN A RECESSION. LAST YEAR IT WAS BUILT INTO 2024 AND WE PUSHED THAT RECESSION OUT TO 2026, WHICH TO ME IS KIND OF A PERFECT, SINCE THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT BUDGET, A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY SCRUB. I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING. IN OTHER WORDS, WE JUST HAVE EVERY YEAR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM JUST GROWS AND GROWS AND GROWS. WHEN DOES IT STOP? WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO KNOW WE'VE GOT HUGE PROJECTS, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP FUNDING HUGE PROJECTS FOREVER. AND DO WE NEED TO BE FUNDING HUGE PROJECTS FOREVER? SO THAT, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PONDER THAT AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP. AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO, WE'VE, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT IN THE THREE AND A HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT ONCE. AND I'VE HAD REQUESTED THAT OF THE PRIOR CITY MANAGER THAT WE DO THAT. DO YOU ALL THINK THAT'S WORTHWHILE? COMMENT? FINISH THE COMMENT. LET'S, YEAH. ANYWAY. SO, UH, TO ME IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTINUE UNRESTRAINED AND WHERE EVERYONE ELSE, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET MORE, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE ISSUES. THERE'S $1.7 BILLION BUDGET REDUCTION THAT THE STATE IS LOOKING AT OVER TWO YEARS. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE ALL KNOW IT'S GOING TO CREATE LESS MONEY FOR US IN ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AND UH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS FOR THAT. ARE WE GOING TO JUST LIKE WITH THE LIBRARY WHEN YAVAPAI COUNTY CUT BACK THE LIBRARY FUNDING WE MADE UP FOR IT. CAN WE MAKE UP FOR IT IN EVERY OTHER PLACE WHERE IT MAY BE CUT IN THIS NEXT TWO YEARS? I, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. RIGHT. BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND VICE MAYOR, I DID WANNA QUICKLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. UH, RENEE WAS ABLE TO PULL UP, SO THE FY 2024 ESTIMATED, UH, GENERAL FUND SURPLUS WAS 1.8 MILLION AND THE ESTIMATED NOW IS 11.1 MILLION. RIGHT. BIG DIFFERENCE. THAT ANSWERS THE CONSERVATIVE QUESTION. . OKAY. UH, JESSICA FIRST AND THEN IT'S OKAY. YOU CAN JUST, OH, YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST? OKAY. WELL THAT'S FINE. I'M, I'M FINE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING, UH, ABOUT THE BUDGET. EVERY SINGLE TIME WE TAKE ON A NEW PROJECT WE TOOK ON TOURISM, MY GOODNESS, WE HAVE ONGOING EXPENSES. , WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE AIRPORT THAT MIGHT COST SOMETHING. UM, WE, WE APPROVED A NEW HUMAN RESOURCES PERSON TO IMPROVE, ENHANCE SERVICES. NOT TO PROVIDE BASIC SERVICES, BUT TO ENHANCE THE OPERATION OF THAT. UM, WE APPROVED A NEW VICTIM ADVOCATE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, AND I, I CAN HEAR ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE. UM, WE APPROVED A NEW PROGRAM MANAGED FOR TRAILS. WELL, WE HAVE TRAILS AND THEY HAVE TO BE UP, UP, KEPT AND MANAGED. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE NEW PROGRAMS. UM, I'VE HEARD SUPPORT FOR A FITNESS CENTER, THAT'S A HUGE EXPENSE AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT NEVER PAYS FOR ITSELF. HAS TO BE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED BY THE CITY. UM, YOU KNOW, [01:05:02] WE DO PRIORITIES EVERY SINGLE YEAR AND THE PRIORITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO DRIVE OUR VISION. UM, WE SEEM TO, I MEAN TO SAY WE HAVE NO VISION WHEN EVERY YEAR WE HAVE PRIORITIES, PRIORITIES, PRIORITIES, WHICH ARE PRESUMABLY DRIVEN BY SOME VISION THAT WE HAVE. AT LEAST ON MY PART. THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT. UM, NOT JUST AS SORT OF, AND WE HAVE HUNDREDS, WE HAVE A LOT OF PRIORITIES, UM, AND THERE'S BEEN TALK OVER THE YEARS OF REDUCING THE PRIORITIES, BUT THEN OVER THE YEARS, OH NO, WE HAVE TO DO STUFF FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WE HAVE TO DO STUFF FOR THESE PEOPLE. AND EVERYTHING BY ITSELF SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE TO DO IT. WE HAVE TO DO A VICTIM ADVOCATE. OKAY. WE HAVE TO DO A VICTIM AB, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, YOU LOOK CRUEL AND AWFUL. YOU HAVE TO DO AUTISM BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, YOU LOOK CRUEL AND AWFUL. AND THAT'S LOT OF WHAT WE DO UP HERE IS EXACTLY THAT KIND OF THING. SO I TOTALLY AGREE. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET. I, I DON'T QUITE KNOW O IF PEOPLE WANNA TALK ABOUT A VISION AND HOW OUR BUDGET MEETS THE VISION, THAT'S FINE. BUT WHAT WE MISS WHEN WE DO THAT IS THE REALITY OF THE POLITICS, OF MEETING ALL THE DEMANDS AND WANTS THAT EVERYBODY WANTS AND RAISES DURING THE YEAR. OH, WELL WE HAVE TO DO THAT. NOW, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I MEAN, I THINK, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THAT, THAT I THINK THAT DISCUSSION, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON, ON, ON, ON MANAGING THE MONEY. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST, MA, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MANAGE IT NOW TODAY FOR, FOR TOMORROW. I THINK WE HAVE TO BEAR IT IN MIND. I HAVE TO THINK, WE THINK WE HAVE TO BE AWARE WHEN THE BIG RECESSION HIT, THE CITY SAT DOWN AND TOOK A LARGE NUMBER OF STEPS AND NEVER EVER USED ONE PENNY OF ITS RESERVES. SO I THINK THERE ARE WAYS I, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE TO START. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE. I DON'T THINK THAT SORT OF DECIDING WE HAVE TO SORT OF NOW'S THE TIME WE HAVE TO START CUTTING EVERYTHING BACK. I THINK THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS IN THIS BUDGET THAT IF WE JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD JUST THROW UP OUR HANDS AND DO IT. I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND I THINK THERE ARE PLENTY OF MECHANISMS FOR HAVING IT BE, BE, BE ADDRESSED. UM, THE ONGOING EXPENSES THAT WE'RE INCURRING FROM THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE STARTED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY IS A REAL, IS A REAL ISSUE. THE MORE YOU TAKE ON, THE MORE IT'S GONNA COST YOU OVER TIME. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT. WHICH IS WHY THE PEOPLE WHO ARGUE FOR SMALL GOVERNMENTS REALLY HAVE A POINT. UM, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE A SERVICE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO, IT'S NOT GOING TO COST YOU MORE OVER THE YEARS AS, AS THE SERVICES INCREASED. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY KIND OF COMMENT AT THE TIME. I THINK THAT OUR PRIORITIES SHOULD INDICATE OF, SHOULD REFLECT A VISION. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE PLACE TO START, ACTUALLY, IS AT YOUR NEXT PRIORITY SETTING. TALKING ABOUT IN TERM, AT THAT MEETING, WHAT THE PRIORITIES MEAN IN TERMS OF, OF HOW YOU WANT THIS, HOW YOU SEE THE CITY AND HOW THE BUDGET SHOULD BE DEVELOPED. I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT AT THE PRIORITY SESSION BECAUSE THE PRIORITIES AND THE BUDGET ARE, ARE TOGETHER. THEY ARE ONE REALLY. SO AS LONG AS LONG AS WE WANT WHERE THINGS ARE, BUDGET IS GOING TO GO UP. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT, I HAVE, I HAVE NO TROUBLE SPENDING THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR A DOWNTURN FOR SOMETHING HAPPENING. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO A SPECIAL SESSION OF THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK YOUR PRIORITY SESSION IS WHERE YOU [01:10:01] TALK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE FUTURE BUDGETS LOOK LIKE. AND I, I SHARE ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID, AND THE ONLY ANGLE I'LL PUT ON IT FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE WAS REALLY FOCUSES THAT CONVERSATION FOR ME ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET. BECAUSE I THINK IN GENERAL, IT, IT SEEMS THAT WE'VE ALL KIND OF THOUGHT WE ARE GONNA GET ALL THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS DONE AT SOME POINT. AND I THINK THE GARAGE NEWS, I THINK THE RECENT NEWS THAT WE GOT KIND OF INDICATES TO ME THAT MAYBE NOT, AND I THINK IT'S TIME FOR A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S LEFT ON THAT LIST AND WHAT IS THE SEQUENCE THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN CASE SOMETHING DOESN'T HAPPEN. RIGHT? WE WANNA PRIORITIZE THE THINGS THAT ARE OF HIGH PRIORITY, AND SOMETIMES PROJECTS KIND OF MOVE BECAUSE THEY'RE EASIER TO MOVE THEN, YOU KNOW, HARD PROJECTS ARE HARD FOR A LOT OF REASONS, BUT YOU CAN'T LOSE FOCUS ON THEM AND THEY SHOULD STAY IN THEIR PRIORITY. SO I, I THINK THAT THE INDICATIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UH, THE, THE BELLS ARE RINGING. WE ONLY HAVE TO WAIT FOR MORE SIGNS TO SAY THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. I, I SUPPORT HAVING THE DISCUSSION BEFORE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDYEAR KIND OF TIMEFRAME BEFORE WE REALLY START WORKING ON THE NEXT BUDGET AND THE PRIORITY SESSIONS. THANK YOU, HONOR. THANK YOU, KATHY. THANK YOU. SOME OF THE COMMENTARY IS REHASHING DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD IN WHAT WAS OUR DUE PROCESS OF SETTING THE PRIORITIES AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET WORK SESSIONS THAT WE DID. SO I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH US GOING THROUGH AND REHASHING SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE. I THINK THIS IS A FISCALLY SOUND BUDGET. IT'S A BALANCED BUDGET THAT AGAIN, PRODUCES RE RESERVES AND SURPLUSES. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE I SEE TO THE INITIAL POINT RAISED BY COUNCILOR LTZ. I, I, I, I AGREE THAT I'M CONCERNED THAT I SEE DIMINISHING GROWTH IN WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF RESERVES AND SURPLUSES. UH, BUT I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE I SEE THE, THE, THE HURT COMING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS GO ON THESE LITTLE SPENDING SPREES OF, THERE WAS 1.1, UH, LESS THAN 2 MILLION WAS PROJECTED YET OVER 11 MILLION WAS THE ACTUAL IN THE SURPLUSES. WE ALWAYS THEN, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A VOICE UP HERE FOR GOING A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVELY ON SPENDING DOWN THAT SURPLUS, BUT WE'VE SPENT DOWN THAT SURPLUS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO THAT. I SEE THAT US NOT BEING ABLE TO VISIT THAT PARTICULAR CANDY STORE IN THE FUTURE, UM, TO THE SAME DEGREE. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF THE HEAVY REALIZATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE. BUT KNOWING THAT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE AN IMPACT ON THIS BUDGET. I THINK IT WILL, AGAIN, PRODUCE A, PROBABLY A RESERVE HIGHER THAN WHAT'S BEING ESTIMATED JUST BECAUSE OF THE GOOD WORK OF OUR STAFF AND THE PROJECTIONS THAT THEY'VE DONE. UM, I, I THINK THAT OUR PRIORITIES, WE DID A VERY GOOD JOB IN THE LAST PRIORITY SESSION OF TRIMMING THEM SUBSTANTIALLY FROM BEING SORT OF THIS ONGOING LIST OF 40 SOMETHING ITEMS TO SAYING, OKAY, HERE ARE THE REAL PRIORITY ITEMS, THIS IS WHAT'S ONGOING WORK, LET'S IDENTIFY IT THAT WAY AND NOT CONFUSE IT WITH A PRIORITY. IT'S ALREADY BEEN HASHED OUT AND COMMITTED TO, AND WE SORT OF ALSO DEVELOPED A, A BACK BURNER LIST, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE'RE ON THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY TRACK. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE. UM, I DO, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH PLANNING A, A MEETING THAT WOULD HELP US GET A HANDLE ON THESE. I THINK THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY SOUND AS WELL. I'M ALSO CONFIDENT THAT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, OR IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN TIME OF ANY KIND OF A CRISIS, THAT AS OUR CITY MANAGER POINTED OUT, THERE ARE RED FLAGS THAT WILL BE BROUGHT TO US, THAT WE WILL KNOW THAT WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING AND WE CAN DO WHAT HAPPENED AT THE BEGINNING OF COVID AND WE CAN TRIM, WHICH WAS PART OF MY QUESTION TO ANDY. SO THIS IS, I GUESS, COMMENTARY WRAPPING UP ON, YOU KNOW, ADOPTING THE TENTATIVE BUDGET THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. AND I'M IN SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE DIALOGUE THAT WE HAD ON SPECIFIC ITEMS TONIGHT THAT SOME OF THEM ARE REC, WE RECOGNIZE SOME OF 'EM ARE STILL PLACEHOLDERS AND THAT THIS NUMBER MAY STILL COME DOWN. BUT THIS IS THE TENTATIVE NUMBER. I AM, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH PROCEEDING WITH SUPPORTING THE TENTATIVE BUDGET TONIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. TO START OFF WITH, I SUPPORT THE TENTATIVE BUDGET, BUT I APPRECIATE THE VICE MAYOR'S THOUGHT ABOUT DOING A REVIEW. I THINK IT, IT COULD NEVER HURT. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO DO. WE SHOULD LOOK, LOOK AT SOME OF THE, UH, PRIORITIES, BUT WE DO DO THAT DURING THE PRIORITY SETTING, BUT IT COULDN'T HURT NEXT YEAR MOVING FORWARD AND, AND HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. BUT THINK ABOUT IT, THE SIM PROJECTS IS A 10 YEAR PLAN. IF WE CUT BACK ON ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN SHOVELING [01:15:01] THE GROUND, WILL IT IMPACT TRAFFIC? I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE'VE COMMITTED TO HELPING OUR RESIDENTS AND CUTTING TRAFFIC WHERE WE CAN. WE CAN'T STOP TRAFFIC. IT'S STILL GONNA BE COMING. WE ALL HAVE THE, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEMS AT THE Y BUT WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO. BUT IF WE STOP ONE PROJECT, IT MIGHT IMPACT THE OTHERS, RIGHT? ANDY? IS THAT THE WAY WE GO? SO, RIGHT. OH, DON'T SPELL IT, PLEASE. . I DEFINITELY THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PRIORITY OF EACH OF THE PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE STATUS. YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS, A LOT OF THINGS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IF WE'RE LOOKING AT CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO POSTPONE. SO, THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, LOOK AT THE RANGER STATION PARK. WE WAITED EIGHT YEARS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. EVERYTHING GETS MORE EXPENSIVE. WE COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE GONNA BUY THE THE PARK AND WE'RE GONNA WAIT A COUPLE YEARS AND THEN BUILD IT. WE'VE NOW BUILT IT. IF WE WOULD'VE WAITED AND PUT THAT OFF, HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE WOULD IT BE? BUT WE DID MAKE A COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY TO BUILD THAT PARK. UM, THE PARKING GARAGE OBSCENELY EXPENSIVE, BUT WE NEED IT. IF WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT OUR, OUR BUSINESSES, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD NOT HAVE WANTED TO CUT, ESPECIALLY NOW TO, TO BE MOVING FORWARD. UM, SALARIES, SALARIES ARE INCREASING, TO CUT SALARIES OR NOT GIVE RAISES. WE'LL LOSE PEOPLE. I MEAN, FOR EVERY ACTION THERE'S A REACTION, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT EACH PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AND DECIDE WHAT'S THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IF WE DON'T DO IT, IF WE PUT IT OFF. AND THAT COULD POSSIBLY CAUSE US A LOT MORE IN THE FUTURE. BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE STAFF. I MEAN, WE'VE SAID BEFORE, WE TRUST THE STAFF AND THEIR GUIDANCE. LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I'M FINE WITH THAT. SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, I, I SUPPORT THE, THE BUDGET AS, OR THE PROPOSED BUDGET AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. SO YES, MELISSA, I RESERVED THE RIGHT TO SPEAK LATER, SO I WANNA HEAR WHAT EVERYONE HAD TO SAY. AND, AH, UM, SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A TENTATIVE BUDGET. MM-HMM. . AND SO WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO LINE ITEMS I HAVE HEARD TONIGHT THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. ONE BEING THE, UM, ADJUDICATED, UH, CLERK, THE EDUCATION CLERK. AND ONE IS THE SNOWMOBILE, OR SORRY, SORRY, NOT SNOWMOBILE. SNOW, SNOW PLOW, WHATEVER IT IS A PLOW. IT'S JUST A FOR INSTANCE. WELL, NO, NO, NO, NO. BUT, BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT THERE ARE LINE ITEMS THAT WE STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE AS A COUNCIL THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE WE WANT TO SEE THEM IN THE FINAL BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO TENTATIVE BUDGET. AND THAT'S ON US. SO WE SHOULD JUST GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE WHOLE BUDGET AGAIN PRIVATELY AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO BRING UP MM-HMM, SNOW PLOWS, UM, OR WHATEVER IT IS WE WISH TO, TO, TO SAY, IS THIS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE SEE? UM, NUMBER ONE IS AN OUTLAYING COST, AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS AN ONGOING COST BECAUSE YOU HAVE MAINTENANCE AND PEOPLE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. SO I, I, I THINK WE, WE CAN'T AND SHOULDN'T STOP THE TENTATIVE BUDGET APPROVAL JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME ITEMS WE THINK WE NEED FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THE BUDGET, LOOKING AT THE LINE ITEMS GOING FORWARD, UM, WHICH I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, WE, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, HONESTLY, THIS HAS TO BE SCENARIO BASED. 'CAUSE HOW DO WE END UP NOT HAVING AS MUCH MONEY COMING IN AS WE DO TODAY? WELL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF TOURISTS KEEP INCREASING, BUT THEY'RE ALL DAY TRIPPERS. THEY DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY HERE. THEY DON'T DO ANY BED TAX HERE BECAUSE OUR TAXES ARE PRIMARILY TOURISM BASED TAXES. MM-HMM. , RIGHT? THERE'S NO PROPERTY TAX, THERE'S NO INCOME TAX. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE SCENARIO. LOTS OF DAY TRIPPERS, NOBODY SPENDS THE NIGHT. ANOTHER WAY IS WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY TOURISTS, ANYBODY WANNA RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAY, YES, I BELIEVE THAT ONE'S GONNA BE TRUE. UM, SO JOHN, JOHN MARTINEZ DOES. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY TOURISTS, WE DON'T NEED AS MANY OF THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, WE WON'T HAVE ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE TOURISM THAT WE USED TO HAVE THAT WON'T HELP OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY ANY, BUT, OR HOTELIERS ANY. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER SCENARIO. SO THERE ARE SCENARIOS IN WHICH OUR NUMBERS AND IN THE TAX SIDE GO DOWN AND THAT WE THEN HAVE TO SAY, WELL, WHAT PROJECTS NO LONGER MAKE SENSE FOR US TO HAVE? OR WHAT PROJECTS DO WE HAVE TO KEEP? BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A LOT OF DAY TRIPPERS, THE TRAFFIC IS STILL HERE, WHERE [01:20:01] ARE THEY GONNA PARK? HOW ARE WE GONNA MOVE 'EM AROUND TOWN? BUT THEY'RE NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY NOW, WHAT DO WE DO? SO IT JUST WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO NOT TALK ABOUT THESE NINE ITEMS IN A CON A CONTEXT LIST, UM, REALM OF BEING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SCENARIOS IN WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM SO THAT WE CAN SAY, IF THAT SCENARIO IS TRUE, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER. SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT A LINE ITEM WITHOUT ANY CONTEXT IS NOT HELPFUL FOR OUR DISCUSSION. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARITY FROM COUNCIL LTZ, ARE YOU SERIOUS IN DISCUSSING ABOUT A SNOWPLOW OR IS IT THAT JUST SOMETHING YOU THREW OUT THERE? JUST THAT WAS JUST A FOR INSTANCE, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF POINTS IF I MIGHT PLEASE. SO, UH, THE VICE MAYOR, YOUR NOTION OF WE NEED TO TALK BIG PICTURE. I AGREE WITH, AND I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE RUN INTO IS YOU SPEND TWO DAYS OR HOWEVER MANY IT IS WHEN WE DO OUR PRIORITY SETTING RETREAT, SPEND TWO DAYS ON THE BUDGET RETREAT, AND BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE, YOU WANT TO BE DONE. AND NOBODY WANTS TO NOW SIT BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT'S THE NET EFFECT OF THIS RIGHT NOW IS OUR MOMENT ACTUALLY TO TALK ABOUT AND LOOK AT THE NET EFFECT OF THIS. AND I REALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE IS A CONSENSUS THAT WANTS TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT. MAYBE IT'S SUPPORT FOR DOING IT AT A LATER TIME, WHICH OKAY, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. UM, BUT IT'S, IT, IT'S, THIS IS THE HARD WORK MOMENT OF LOOKING AT IT IN TOTAL AND SAYING, OKAY, DOES THIS SMELL, DOES THIS PASS MY, MY SNIFF TEST? DOES THIS PASS, YOU KNOW, IN MY SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER GUIDING PRINCIPLES I MIGHT HAVE. UM, THE OTHER PIECE I WANT TO ADD IN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE VISION AND HOW DOES THIS BUDGET FIT INTO IT? THAT'S ONE ISSUE. BUT THE OTHER IS, IS HOW WE DO GO ABOUT BUILDING UP OUR BUDGET. AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH OUR NEW CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE FACT THAT I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR BUDGETING PROCESS IS. AGAIN, LOVE WHAT YOU GUYS DO. YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB. SO THERE'S NO CRITICISM HERE. IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE DO SOMETHING LIKE A ZERO BASED BUDGET AND DO THAT AT LEAST ONCE OUT OF A FOUR YEAR CYCLE SO THAT EVERYBODY THAT'S ON COUNCIL AT LEAST ONCE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY LOOKING AT AND UNDERSTANDING A, YOU KNOW, BOTTOMS UP CONSTRUCTION OF OUR BUDGET AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS TOWN, AND CAN SAY WITH CLARITY THAT WE REALLY DO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING INTO WHAT'S NOW A $106 MILLION BUDGET. SO I THINK ONCE WE HAVE A NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR, I DO THINK THAT HAVING A AGENDIZED ITEM IN WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT OUR PROCESS IS FOR BUDGETING WOULD BE A PRUDENT THING TO DO. AND I HOPE THAT THERE'LL BE SUPPORT FOR THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SIDE? OKAY, LET ME FIND IF YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION. I AM. YOU HAVE IT UP IN FRONT OF YOU? I DO. OH, PERFECT. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE TENTATIVE BUDGET FOR FY 20 24 25 AND THEREBY SET THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT FOR THE BUDGET AT $106,155,786. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, CASTOR WILLIAMSON, ANY DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY HAD? ALL IN FAVOR? HOLD ON. I'LL SAY THAT I'M GONNA VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME I'LL VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT UNLESS WE DO THIS WORK. OKAY. THAT'S VERY FAIR. AND I WOULD ECHO WHAT THE VICE MAYOR JUST SAID. I SAY THAT AGAIN, BRIAN. I WOULD ECHO WHAT THE VICE MAYOR JUST SAID. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS. OKAY. UM, MR. MAYOR? YES. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, CAN I PLEASE ASK THAT IF ANY OF THE COUNCIL HAVE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WANNA DISCUSS AT THE BUDGET ADOPTION THAT YOU LET ME KNOW WITH SOME ADVANCED NOTICE SO I CAN HAVE THE CORRECT STAFF READY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF DOING IT ON THE FLY? THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. WELL, I, THERE WAS ONE OR TWO IF THERE'S CORRECT, BUT I ALSO HEARD A GENERAL RIGHT COMMENT THAT LOOK AT ALL OF IT AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING, SO IF THERE'S MORE THAN THOSE TWO THAT SOMEONE'S INTERESTED IN WOULD BE HELPFUL. ARE YOU ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? BE HELPFUL. OKAY. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT I AM PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH THIS BUDGET. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN GOING OVER ALL THE ITEMS I SPECIFIED THEY WERE FOR [01:25:02] DISPLAY PURPOSES. SO, OKAY. I HAVE, I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, THE QUESTION IS, JOE, ARE WE READY FOR THAT, UH, BREAK OR ON YOUR END? OR DOES COUNCIL WANNA TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM? WE'RE GOOD TO GO. KEEP GOING. OKAY, NOW LET'S GO FOR IT. UH, [8.b. AB 3062 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Resolution approving a Development Agreement with the Villas on Shelby, LLC allowing exemptions from the LDC for the provision of 30 units of affordable housing.] ITEM EIGHT B, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, THANK YOU, RENEE, I APPRECIATE THANK YOU. UH, AGREEMENT WITH, UH, WITH, UH, VILLAS OF SHELBY LLC ALLOWING EXEMPTIONS FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR A, THE PROVISION OF 30 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND SHANNON. OKAY. SHA DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR THE DEVELOPER? YES. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UM, MATT SCHUMACHER WITH HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AND VILLAS ON SHELBY, LLC IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY. OKAY. CAN I ASK HIM TO TURN HIS, UH, SCREEN ON SO WE COULD SEE HIM? MATT? I, I'M JOINED BY A PHONE RIGHT NOW. OH, BY PHONE. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEN. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I JUST DUNNO HOW CLEAR YOU'RE GONNA BE BY PHONE. OKAY. YOU WOULD BE OKAY. NOT REALLY, BUT, UM, I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO DO, SHANNON, DO YOU WANT TO LEAD? SURE. SO, UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU MAY REMEMBER NOVEMBER, 2023. UM, WE LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME AFTER THIS STATE AWARDED, UM, SOME 4% TAX CREDITS AND HOME FUNDS. UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME HAD A GAP OF ABOUT 2.25 MILLION, AND COUNCIL AGREED TO, UM, A LOAN FOR THAT AMOUNT. SO WE DO HAVE, OH, ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE LAND IS OWNED BY THE CITY, SO WE DO HAVE A LAND LEASE AND LOAN AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH THE DEVELOPER. UM, THEY HAVE KINDA GOTTEN TOGETHER THEIR FINAL PLANS AND SUBMITTED THOSE. THOSE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE A FEW, UM, ITEMS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DIGA, WHICH THEY COULD NOT MEET. SO THAT WILL REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY NEED PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE ALL OF THE AFFORDABILITY AND EVERYTHING WAS INSURED BY THE, THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE, UM, STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING. SO IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, SOME, UM, EXCEPTIONS, ONE OF THOSE BEING, UM, UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANES, WHICH WOULD PERMIT A BUILDING HEIGHT OF UP TO 40 FEET. SO IT'S A THREE STORY BUILDING. UM, IN ORDER TO PERMIT THAT, THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS TO THE SIZE OF UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANES. AND THEY HAD SEVERAL IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH WERE TOO LARGE. SO THEY'VE MADE AN ATTEMPT TO GO THROUGH AND REDUCE ALL OF THOSE. AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE REMAINING THAT STAFF FEELS IS TOO LARGE, BUT IT'S, UM, KIND OF THE SECOND STORY OF, OF THE BUILDING THAT FACES AWAY FROM THE STREET INTO, I WOULD, I GUESS I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS AN INTERNAL PART OF THE SITE. UM, THE SECOND EXCEPTION. CAN I ASK TO THAT? SURE, YEAH. HOLLY? YES. IS THERE, IS THERE, I'M LOOKING THROUGH THE BACK. IS THERE A RENDERING OF THAT? WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? SO WE DON'T HAVE NEW RENDERINGS COMPLETED YET. THEY DO HAVE, DO HAVE THE PLANS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE, MY MIND JUST WENT BLANK. THE VIEW, THE ELEVATION, ELEVATION VIEW, UM, DOESN'T SHOW THE DEPTHS VERY WELL, SO IT'S HARD TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE THOSE PLANES ARE. OKAY. UM, THE, THE SECOND EXCEPTION THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS IN REGARDS TO OVERALL BUILDING LENGTH. SO THE BUILDING EXCEEDS 150 FEET. UM, THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE THAT IF IT'S OVER 150 FEET, AT LEAST A QUARTER OF THE BUILDING SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 16 FEET AND THEY DID NOT MEET THAT. UM, AND THEN THE THIRD EXCEPTION WAS, UM, REQUIRED COVERING COVERED PARKING WOULD'VE BEEN 15 SPACES. AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THAT AS THAT COST, UM, WOULD BE EXCESSIVE FOR THE, [01:30:01] THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE BUILDING. CAN I SKIP THAT? VICE MAYOR SHANNON? REMOVING ALL OF THE COVERED PARKING? YES. NOT REDUCING IT, REMOVING IT. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND MAYOR AND COUNSEL, IF YOU RECALL THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR, UH, SUNSET LOFTS HAD TWO OF THESE SAME ALLOWANCES. UH, THE MASSING IS WHAT'S DIFFERENT HERE IN SUNSET LOFTS, THEY WENT FROM 0.5 COVERED PARKING TO 0.25, SO THEY REDUCED IT IN HALF. UH, BUT THEN IT ALSO HAD THAT SAME EXCEPTION FOR THE 150 FOOT LENGTH, NOT REQUIRING IT TO BE UNDER 16 FEET. UH, SO THOSE TWO OF THESE THREE WERE THE SAME IN OR SIMILAR ANYWAY, UH, THE SAME SECTIONS, UM, FOR, FOR SUNSET LOFTS AS SHELBY. SEAN, DO YOU HAVE A, A GRAPHIC OF THE BUILDING? I MAY HAVE MISSED THAT WHEN I STEPPED OUT FOR A SECOND. I DID. UM, OKAY. SHE DOESN'T, OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THE MASSING, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE POINT TO CODE. HOW MUCH OFFSET IS IT SIX FEET, KURT OR STEVE? SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT, UM, MASSING IS ONE THING. THIS IS AN UNRE RELIEF BUILDING PLANE. SO IT'S, THE WORDING IS DIFFERENT, THE SECTION IS DIFFERENT. UM, AND IT'S TYPICALLY, UM, IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT STARTS OUT BY SAYING YOU CANNOT HAVE AN UNRULY BUILDING PLANE OF MORE THAN 800 SQUARE FEET, UM, THROUGH THE DIGGA, THROUGH THE ALLOWANCES OF THE HEIGHT. UM, IT DROPS DOWN TO 400 FEET IF YOU WANT THE FOUR UP TO 40 FEET. AND THAT'S BASICALLY ONE FLAT WALL. YES. IF I UNDERSTAND. YES. OKAY. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE, ASSUMING THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS AT ALL, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE TO OFFSET THE LOOK TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE BROKEN UP INSTEAD OF ONE MASSIVE WALL? SO WE ACTUALLY HAD UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANES ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING ORIGINALLY. AND IT WAS VERY NICE LOOKING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL THE RENDERINGS THEY MADE PRELIMINARILY, BUT IT, IT WASN'T A, UM, IT DIDN'T STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB THAT THERE WAS THIS BIG EMPTY WALL AND THEY MANAGED TO ADDRESS MOST OF THOSE, UM, THROUGH MINOR CHANGES IN THE PLANS. BUT THIS ONE THAT'S LEFT IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING. IT'S ONLY ON THE SECOND AND THIRD STORIES. AND, AND YET THEY DIDN'T THINK THE NEED TO OFFER A GRAPHIC TO SHOW. SO WE GET A VISUAL TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER, BECAUSE I'M HAVING A, I MEAN, I THINK I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AT THE TIME THAT I ASKED FOR THE RENDERING, THE ARCHITECT SAID THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PREPARE IT IN TIME. SO, UH, OKAY. THE TIMING ASPECT WITH THE ARCHITECT, YOU TRIED TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. OKAY. IT IS WHAT IT IS. UM, AND SO NOW ARE THEY WILLING TO GO BACK TO DOING SOME KIND OF, I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU TAKE THE FLAT WALL BEFORE IT'S STUCCO, THEY COULD TAKE THIS, THIS STYROFOAM OR WHATEVER MATERIAL IT IS AND MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT OFFSET BECAUSE TO SEE ONE LONG, MASSIVE WALL AND I'M ASSUMING THEY'LL HAVE WINDOWS IN IT, RIGHT? IT WOULD, YES. RIGHT. BUT I PERSONALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JUST ONE LARGE WALL, SO, UM, WE'LL WAIT FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO OPINE ON IT, BUT I, AS I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, UH, COVERED PARKING. ANYBODY WISH TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING CUR UH, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE URGENCY OF THIS ITEM ON TONIGHT'S MEETING. IF THIS IS A PRIMARILY VISUAL THING THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, TO DECIDE ON TO NOT HAVE A VISUAL , EVEN IF IT WAS THE OLD OF RENDITION OF THE DIAGRAM. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. AND I, I'M KIND OF, SO IS THERE, IS THERE A REASON THIS IS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA WITHOUT GETTING THE WORK DONE? I THINK THERE IS BECAUSE THEY WANNA GET A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND. WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. SO, YEAH. SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION. UM, I DO HAVE AN OLD RENDERING, WHICH I COULD SHARE. IT'S NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE, BUT IT WOULD ENABLE ME TO SHOW YOU WHICH WALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT WOULD HELP. IF I DON'T LOSE MY VOICE FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT VOICEMAIL. WHILE SHANNON'S DOING THAT, UH, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE COVERED PARKING COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS, [01:35:01] QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS. OKAY. UH, WHAT MR. DEVELOPER? I DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME. MATT. MATT. MATT. OKAY. UH, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE PROJECT FOR THE COVERED PARKING? I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT FIGURE. UM, BUT IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL DESIGN ELEMENT. UM, AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY HAVEN'T DONE, UH, IN THE PAST. AND WE WANT TO REALLY WATCH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, THE SITE IS CHALLENGING, RIGHT? IT'S ONLY A LITTLE OVER ONE ACRE, UM, WITH 30 UNITS. AND WE WANTED TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING, UM, BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY. SO SOME OF THOSE DESIGN CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, HAS ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE BEING THE, UM, THE, THE BUILDING PLANES, YOU KNOW, MORE CORNERS THAN $5 AND WE JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT FROM, UM, OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT FROM AMENITIES OR REDUCING UNIT SIZES OR ANYTHING ELSE. UM, BECAUSE OUR GOAL IS, YOU KNOW, TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, VERY HIGH QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S GONNA LAST IN THE COMMUNITY FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE IN YOUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR BUDGETS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, INTEREST RATES THAT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUOUSLY FLUCTUATE AND INSURANCE AND UH, WAGES AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS PROJECT PROJECT WORK AND SOME MINOR ACCOMMODATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, GO A LONG WAY. I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IS IT, IS IT A MILLION DOLLAR ISSUE? IS IT A, YOU KNOW, $5 MILLION? WHAT, WHAT IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND? YEAH. RIGHT. WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT, YEAH, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IF WE, FOR THE, FOR THE COVERED PARKING? MM-HMM. , UH, WAIT THREE OR $4,000 IN SPACE. BUT I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ANSWER TO THAT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A LOT, IT'S A PIECE OF INFORMATION. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE ASKING FOR EXCEPTION TO THAT, BUT YET YOU CAN'T QUANTIFY THAT DOLLAR WISE FOR US. THAT PUTS US IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION TO ACTUALLY EVEN CONSIDER THE REQUEST. $3,000 PER SPACE. 3000, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE HAVE A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. 3000, YEAH, 3000 PER SPACE. OKAY. AND HOW MANY SPACES ARE THERE? 15. 15. 15. PETE THAT WAS YOU. 15. NO, I HEARD IT FROM OVER KURT ANDY. YES. 15 VOICES COMING FROM WHERE? STEVE? I'M SORRY, THAT WAS ME SPEAKING OUT OF TURN. NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE. JUST, UM, THE CODE REQUIRES 0.5, UH, COVERED SPACES PER RESIDENTIAL UNITS. SO IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE 15 SPACES. BUT WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AT 3000? PER 3000? THAT'S 45,000 AT 3000 PER SPACE. OKAY. NOW, NOW THAT WE HAVE THE, CAN WE GO, YOU WANNA GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE? FINISH UP THE PARKING, THE OVER OVER. YEAH, WE CAN GO BACK. OKAY. SO SHANNON, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. NOW, THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL, THIS IS A CLOSE, WAS IT BEFORE IT'S CHANGED, RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. SO WHAT HAS CHANGED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW FROM WHERE WE ARE ON THE GRAPHICS SO WE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES? UM, I COULDN'T EVEN POINT THEM ALL OUT. THERE'S A LOT OF JUST VERY MINOR CHANGES, BUT OKAY. THE WALL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT THE SIDE WALL? THAT'S, UH, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA POINT TO IT 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW TO BEST DESCRIBE IT. YEAH, I, YEAH, I THINK I KNOW IT'S A CURSOR. IT'S THIS WALL ABOVE THE FIRST STORY ON THE INSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WHICH ONE? OH, THERE'S A POINTER, BUT THEN YOU'RE OFF MIC AND THEN WE CAN'T HEAR AND IT'S NOT CAPTURED. SO, SO IT'S, IT'S THE PLANE HERE THAT'S ABOVE THIS FIRST STORY COMMON AREA. UM, THIS END PLANE WAS INITIALLY TOO LARGE AND THEY'VE ADDED KIND OF A BUMP OUT IN THE CENTER. UM, THE OTHER END HAD SOME SIMILAR ISSUES WHERE THEY'VE CHANGED UP THE LAYOUT A LITTLE BIT. SO THEY HAVE CORRECTED THOSE UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANES IN A COUPLE OF AREAS ALREADY. BUT THAT ONE IS JUST A [01:40:01] LITTLE CHALLENGING. I, I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S ON THE FIRST STORY. OKAY. ANYBODY WISH TO ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO? YES. OKAY. I DO. GO AHEAD. THESE DESIGN CHANGES HAVE NOT GONE BACK TO P AND Z. 'CAUSE BEING P AND Z IS THE VOICE ON THAT GIVES US THE ADVICE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO THEIR ADVISORY AND THE CAPACITY FOR DESIGN ELEMENTS. AND WE DON'T HAVE THEIR, THE BENEFIT OF THEIR TAKE ON THIS. RIGHT? SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS FROM CARRIE THAT P AND Z NEEDS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE IN ORDER TO CONSIDER THE DESIGN WITH THE EXCEPTIONS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALLOWS CHICKEN CART AND THE HORSE. UM, YEAH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. OTHERWISE, STAFF WOULD HAVE TO RECOMMEND THAT IT DOESN'T PASS DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT MEETING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS OR THE CFA REQUIREMENT IN THIS SCENARIO. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS IN, IS THERE'S NO WAY TO REVERSE THIS ORDER? IT CAN, THEY COULD RECOMMEND SUBJECT TO APPROVAL IF COUNSEL WERE TO APPROVE IT. UH, BUT THEN YOU GO THROUGH THOSE STEPS AND THEN SOMETIMES COUNSELS DON'T APPROVE THE CHANGES. AND THEN YOU'VE, YOU'VE LED THE DEVELOPER AND P AND Z THROUGH A PROCESS THAT WASN'T SUPPORTED BY COUNCIL. SO IN THIS CASE, STAFF FELT ITS BEST TO COME TO TO COUNCIL FIRST WE MOVE FORWARD. SO THIS IS IMPORTANT . I I UNDERSTAND. I GET IT. I, UM, I JUST, I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE PROCESS THERE. ARE YOU SAYING THIS WAS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO BRING IT TO US FIRST BEFORE PNZ? THE, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS TO GO TO PNZ AND HAVE THEM TENTATIVELY APPROVE IT. IF COUNSEL'S GOING TO APPROVE THE EXCEPTIONS WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER COUNSEL WILL APPROVE THE EXCEPTIONS OR NOT. AND THEN P AND Z FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE APPROVING THINGS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IF COUNSEL'S GONNA APPROVE IT. LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE DONE. THERE SHOULD BE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S, IT'S NOT A COMFORTABLE PROCESS FOR ME. I, I UNDERSTAND, UH, JESSICA AND THEN THE VICE MAYOR? NO. OKAY. JESSICA? I'M SORRY. WE'RE STILL JUST DOING QUESTIONS? YES. OKAY, THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE . YEAH, THAT'S FUNNY. SHANNON, DO YOU THINK THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE WHAT THE DEVELOPER CAN DO TO MAKE THIS LOW ACTUAL, LOW INCOME PROJECT THAT HAS HUD FUNDING? AND WOULD, COULD THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN ACTUALLY START, DO YOU THINK THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO MAKE THIS WORK? I BELIEVE THEY HAVE, UM, FINANCIALLY AND I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THEY COULD SAY, OKAY, WE'LL ADD THE COVERED PARKING AND THEN WE MAY BE BACK HERE ASKING FOR MORE SUBSIDY FOR THE PROJECT. AND IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH THIS NEEDS TO BE APPROVED TO MEET DEADLINES OR, UH, OR, OR TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING START THAT ISN'T DESTROYED BY OUR BUREAUCRACY. IS THERE A WAY, IS THERE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN? DO YOU THINK? WE ARE SO CLOSE TO GROUNDBREAKING THAT I FELT LIKE IT MADE SENSE TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THESE EXCEPTIONS AT THIS POINT AND MOVE FORWARD RATHER THAN CONTINUE TO DELAY THE PROJECT, UM, WHILE THEY KEEP CHANGING THE PLANS AND SENDING THEM BACK. AND HOW ABOUT THIS? CAN YOU TAKE THIS AND HOW ABOUT THIS? AND HOW ABOUT THIS? ARE THERE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT COULD BE SUGGESTED TO, TO MAKE TO THIS PROJECT? I HAD HEARD FROM MATT, NO, GO AHEAD. I HAD HEARD FROM MATT THAT HE WAS EQUATING THE COVERED PARKING WITH MAKING THE UNIT SMALLER PERHAPS, WHICH I'M ASSUMING WOULD REQUIRE DESIGN CHANGES. AND, AND THERE ARE AND THERE'S TRADE-OFFS TO EVERYTHING. SO YOU THINK THIS PROJECT COULD ACTUALLY START AND PROVIDE HOUSING WITHIN OUR LIFETIMES IF WE APPROVED IT? YES. THANK YOU PETE. THEN I'M GONNA GO THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE COVERED PARKING. AND I'VE HEARD SOME OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES REMARK ABOUT THAT IS, IS THERE A WAY TO PAY FOR THE, THE PARKING? YOU'VE GOT A RESERVE, IT DOESN'T VIOLATE BUDGET RULES. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S OUR FLEXIBILITY ABOUT SORT OF MAKING, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE COST CUTTING THIS PROJECT TO DEATH. UH, UH, BUT I'M ON UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT SETTING A DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR OUR LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS. QUESTION FOR ME? SO THERE'S A QUESTION FOR WHOEVER CAN ANSWER IT ABOUT WHETHER IT'S CAN THAT AND THAT WILL ADDRESS IT. AND THEN, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS MATT. IF THERE IS [01:45:01] LEFTOVER HARD COST CONTINGENCY, UM, THAT IS NOT USED IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT, THEN YEAH, WE CAN USE THAT FOR THE COVERED PARKING. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. BUT BUT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET, NOT IN THE CONTINGENCY, YOU COULDN'T ADD IT WITHOUT ADDING FUNDING TO THE PROJECT. CORRECT. OR, OR TIGHTENING THINGS MORE AND MORE. BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY THESE PROJECTS WORK, UM, THAT YOU HAVE THAT IT'S, WE CAN'T COME BACK FOR MORE. WE DON'T WANNA COME BACK FOR MORE FUNDING. WE'RE ON A DEADLINE. UM, WE DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, ROOM TO GET TO THE CLOSING TABLE WITH MM-HMM. RATES JUMP UP IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS OR, UM, SOME BUDGET NUMBERS COME BACK WITH THE FEDERAL CONTRACTORS THAT ARE HIGHER. I MEAN, THERE'S YOU A LOT OF DIFFERENT FLEX OR THINGS THAT CAN IMPACT THE PROJECT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE FEEL 100% COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CLOSE RIGHT NOW. AND THESE MO MINOR MODIFICATIONS WILL HELP US DO THAT. YOU DONE? YEAH. THANK YOU. NO, NO. JESSICA'S GOTTA FINISH UP. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW COULD FURTHER DELAY CAUSE CAUSE CALL, CAUSE COSTS TO RISE FURTHER. YES. BECAUSE WE'RE FEARFUL OF, YOU KNOW, INTEREST RATES. MM-HMM. CAUSE A HUGE INCREASE OVERNIGHT. SO, AND MATT MADE REFERENCE TO DEVELOP TO SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS COSTS ARE ONLY HELD UP TO A POINT. SO THERE IS SOME NEED TO MOVE THIS AHEAD. THANK YOU. AND THERE ARE ALSO DEADLINES THAT THE OTHER FUNDING PROVIDERS HAVE IN PLACE FOR WHEN THE UNITS NEED TO BE DELIVERED, SO. GOTCHA. PETE, YOU WERE STILL, WERE YOU DONE? I'M DONE. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID, UH, TO TAG ONTO THAT WAS ABOUT, UH, IF WE CAN KICK IN MONEY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING LEGALLY? IS THAT, IS THAT, DO I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, BUT USING MY VERNACULAR TO GET THE POINT ACROSS TO OFFSET THE AMOUNT OF THE, UH, THE SURE THAT, THAT'S AN OPTION CERTAINLY IS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL, BUT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT. GOOD QUESTION. UM, OH, DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT KURT, OR OH, MA, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT, IT COULD GO INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF YOU WANTED TO FUND A, A PORTION OR PART OF THE, THE COVERED PARKING. THIS IS CITY OWNED PROPERTY, SO YOU'RE PAYING FOR IMPROVEMENTS ON YOUR OWN OWN PROPERTY. THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. UH, KATHY, THEN I'LL GO. YEAH. SHANNON, I HAVE A QUESTION TO SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE PROJECTED INCREASE IN THE COST OF THE PROJECT TIED TO THE INTEREST INTEREST RATES. DID YOU SAY THAT ASSUMING THAT THERE WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF INTEREST RATES? NO, JUST SAYING THAT'S HOW EASILY THE COSTS COULD GO UP. COULD GO UP QUICKLY, BUT INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN SORT OF FLAT AND ARE ANTICIPATED TO GO DOWN. SO IN WITH THAT, IF THAT WERE THE SCENARIO, DO YOU STILL ANTICIPATE INCREASED COSTS, INTEREST RATES ASIDE? I WOULD ASSUME THAT CONSTRUCTION COSTS GO UP SOME AMOUNT AT SOME POINT, AND MATT, I DON'T KNOW, UM, HOW LONG YOUR DEVELOPER WILL HOLD THOSE QUOTES OR HOW THAT'S GONNA AFFECT YOU. WE'RE CONTINUALLY DEALING WITH INFLATION FACTORS, RIGHT? AND YOU KNOW, EVEN TODAY THE FED BOARD CAME OUT AND SAID THERE COULD BE ANOTHER RATE INCREASE. SO I MEAN, WE'RE IN A VERY FLUID, UH, ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, FEDERALLY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM A A COST STANDPOINT AND, UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MITIGATE ANY RISKS, UM, THAT CAN BE OUT THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO GET THIS PROJECT COMPLETED. UH, WHEN WE GET TO THIS STAGE, WE'VE COMPLETED ABOUT 65 OF THESE PROJECTS. AND I DON'T INTEND ON THIS ONE BEING THE FIRST ONE THAT DOESN'T GET COMPLETED. UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD MAKE ALL THE ACCOMMODATIONS AND MONEY WASN'T AN OBJECT, UM, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP, WE HAVE RENTS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE, UH, AND HAVE TO STAY AFFORDABLE FOR 30 YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY LIMITED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T INCREASE RENT, UM, TO MAKE UP FOR SOME COSTS UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, WE'RE WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE SOFT FUNDS THAT, UM, IN THE, THE LAND THAT YOU GUYS ARE CONTRIBUTING, UM, IN THE, THE FUNDS THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE STATE OF ARIZONA, UM, TAXES AND BONDS AND ALL OF [01:50:01] THESE COME TOGETHER. AND SO, UM, THAT COMBINATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. OKAY. I, ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, SHANNON, THERE ARE THREE REQUESTS FOR EXCEPTIONS TO THE DIGA. THE DIGA IS ALREADY INCENTIVIZES, SO THIS IS ON TOP OF THE INCENTIVES. IF, IF, OKAY THERE WERE THREE. IF ALL THREE ARE NOT GRANTED, DOES THIS PROJECT GO DEFUNCT? BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN IF IT'S TWO OUTTA THREE, IF IT'S ONE OUTTA THREE. AND CAN YOU JUST GIVE US THAT SCENARIO HERE PLEASE? SO IF I MAY, I'M JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION OF THE DEVELOPER. MM-HMM. . UM, MATT, IF WE WERE TO NOT GRANT THESE, IT ADDS COST TO THE PROJECT, AND ASSUMING THAT WE ADDED THE CITY SUBSIDY TO COVER THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS, WOULD YOU BE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH THE OTHER, UM, WITH THE TAX CREDIT INVESTORS OR THE GRANT FROM THE STATE OR? NO, WE WOULDN'T BE BACK TO THE, THE DRAWING BOARD. IT WOULD JUST BE A TIMING OF REDESIGNING FROM A CIVIL ENGINEERING SIDE AND STRUCTURAL FILE, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET THE, THE, THE, A TIMELINE TO TRY TO GET THIS, YOU KNOW, INTO THE GROUND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. VICE MAYOR AND, UH, YEAH, I I, I'M GOING BACK TO THE COVERED PARKING 'CAUSE THAT IS MY ISSUE AND YEAH, I HAVE SOMETHING TOO. YEAH. UM, IF WE WERE TO PAY FOR THAT COVERED PARKING, WOULD IT HOLD THINGS UP? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DESIGN OF THAT BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD? OR CAN YOU BE DOING THAT DESIGN WHILE YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD? YEAH, WE CAN ADD THAT QUICKLY. THAT WOULDN'T HOLD ANYTHING UP. OKAY. SO LET ME GO FOR, IT'S ON THE COVERED PARKING. SO MATT, I KNOW THAT IT'S IN THE INDUSTRY THAT FOR COVERED PARKING SPACES, THE TENANTS TO CHARGE A PREMIUM FOR PARKING IN THOSE SPOTS, IF WE WERE TO SUBSIDIZE THAT, WOULD THAT ANY SUBSIDY GO AWAY WHERE YOU WOULD NOT, THE TENANT WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY ANY KINDA SUBSIDY BECAUSE WE PAID FOR THOSE, THE COVERAGE. MATT, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO CHARGE FOR COVERED PARKING UNDER LITECH? NO. OKAY. I KNOW THAT THERE'S TWO PROJECTS HERE IN THE CITY THAT THEY CHARGE, BUT THEY'RE NOT WORKFORCE HOUSING. I WANTED TO BE SURE, MELISSA. SURPRISINGLY MINE'S ALSO ABOUT PARKING. SHOCKING. SO I, I JUST WANNA KNOW RIGHT NOW THE NUM COVERED OR NOT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES DOESN'T CHANGE. IS THAT CORRECT? LOOK OVER HERE, STEVE. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. UM, AND SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SOME PERCENTAGE OF THEM WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF COVERAGE BECAUSE OF THE SUN. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED AT ANY OTHER POINT IN TIME RATHER THAN CURRENT HAS TO BE DONE AT THE POINT OF BUILDING THE PARKING SPACES. IS THIS CORRECT OR NOT? IT COULD BE DONE AT ANY POINT, YES. AT THE, WHICH IT COULD BE UNDER A SEPARATE PERMIT AT THE POINT AT WHICH IT'S DONE. DOES THAT IMPACT THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT THERE ARE AND OTHERS WILL REDUCE THE, THE SIZE OF SPACES BECAUSE IT NEEDS SOME AMOUNT OF LAND ITSELF? IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE. AND THAT'S WHERE MATT WAS IDENTIFYING THAT THEY'D HAVE TO REDESIGN TO MAINTAIN THOSE SPACES. SO I WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT DESIGN UP FRONT TO KNOW THAT WHERE THEY'RE PLACING THE POSTS OR HOW THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE IS, IS NOT GOING TO THEN HAVE TO REQUIRE, UH, THE EXISTING DESIGN TO BE SPREAD OUT FURTHER IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT STRUCTURE. I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING. YES. SO YEAH, THAT IS MY POINT EXACTLY, IS THAT IF THE DESIGN ALLOWS FOR COVERED PARKING, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE HAVE TO PUT THE COVER IN FROM DAY ONE. WE COULD LOOK TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO FUND IT OURSELVES. WE COULD LOOK TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE CONTINGENCY FUNDS LEFT OVER AFTER THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED. BUT THIS SHOULDN'T BE THE POINT TO ME, THIS SHOULDN'T BE THE SWORD THAT WE KILL THE PROJECT WITH. I DON'T THINK ANYONE SUGGESTED NOBODY SUGGESTING THAT. WELL, THEY'RE SAYING IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEY SUGGEST YOU. SO PETE, AND THEN I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ON THAT TOO. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. FOLLOWING UP DIRECTLY ON THAT, WE'RE DOING A DA DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HERE TONIGHT AND IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THAT KIND OF CHANGE SHOULD BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT PERHAPS MY QUESTION IS IF IT WASN'T IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, CONTINGENCY FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE, YOU FOUND SOME BUDGET, SHANNON, WHATEVER, IS IT WITHIN THE [01:55:01] DIRECTOR'S PURVIEW TO CHANGE AN ELEMENT LIKE THIS IN A PROJECT THAT WASN'T IN THE DA MOVING FORWARD? MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT JUST WAIVES THE REQUIREMENT. UH, SO IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT IT FROM BEING PUT BACK IN LATER ON. THANK YOU. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION TO, UH, FOR COUNCILOR DUNN, WHICH HE MENTIONED ABOUT DOING IT LATER. THAT CERTAINLY WOULD ADD TO THE COST. IF YOU WERE TO DO THE, THE COVERAGE LATER A YEAR LATER AFTER THE PARKING LOT'S BEEN ALL DONE AND PAVED AND EVERYTHING ELSE, NOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT FOOTINGS IN THE GROUND FOR THE SUPPORTS TO HOLD IT. THAT WOULD HAVE TO CORA, I'M SORRY, RAISE THE COST SUBSTANTIALLY I WOULD THINK TO DO THE COVERED PARKING. THAT'S WHY I WOULD RATHER DO IT AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, I THINK WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE. CAN ANYONE OPINE ON THAT? WHETHER I'M CORRECT OR NOT, I LEAVE THAT FOR THE ENGINEERS. NOT NOT FOR ME. WHAT'S THAT? I LEAVE THAT FOR THE ENGINEER TO ANSWER, NOT FOR ME. I JUST WANNA TO BE SURE I ADDRESSED WHAT YOU SAID AND YOU, EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT ME, SO I'M GONNA SPEAK . SO AGAIN, THIS IS ALL PART OF THAT DESIGN, RIGHT? IF WE KNOW IN THE FUTURE THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE PLACED, WE CAN REDESIGN THE PARKING LOT, SPREAD THAT OUT TO, UH, TO, TO ALLOW FOR THIS INSTALLATION. WE CAN ALSO AS A PART OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE PARKING LOT, BE PLACING THOSE FOOTINGS SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, UM, THEY HAVE THOSE FOOTINGS IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE STRUCTURE. SO YES, THERE ARE WAYS OF DOING THAT THAT MAYBE WE DO A PORTION OF IT NOW TO SUPPORT THE BUILDING IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. ANDY WAS ANDY. I WAS JUST GONNA THROW OUT THERE THAT YOU DO THAT GOOD IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE'RE NOT CONSTRAINED BY TIME SO MUCH. ONE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT THE CITY DID HERE AT CITY HALL. MM-HMM. WE'RE A PS WE'RE ABLE TO COME IN AND INSTALL COVERED PARKING. THOSE FOOTINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL, BUT THEY GOT MOVED OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING SO THAT THEY'RE NOT IN CONFLICT. 'CAUSE OUR POOR STAFF USED TO RUN INTO THOSE POSTS ALL THE TIME. YES, THEY DID. SO IT, IT IS POSSIBLE TO RETROFIT THAT LATER, BUT I THINK STEVE MAKES A GOOD POINT THAT IT'S USUALLY BETTER TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE BUILDING IT. BUT RIGHT. VICE MAYOR AND BRIAN, YOU HAVE AN OPINE ON FEDERAL. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I WAS, UH, DOING A LOT OF ERRANDS TODAY AND I RAN HOME, PARKED MY CAR OUTSIDE BECAUSE I WAS GONNA BE LEAVING IN AN HOUR. SO IT WAS EASIER TO DO THAT WHEN I GOT BACK INTO MY CAR AND IT ACTUALLY WAS LESS THAN AN HOUR AND IT WAS 84 DEGREES OUT. MY CAR WAS 97 DEGREES. I REST MY CASE. BRIAN. OKAY, THIS IS AN ODD WAY TO ASK A QUESTION, BUT DO YOU REALIZE THAT $45,000 FINANCED OVER 30 YEARS AT 5% IS A WHOPPING COST OF $241 PER MONTH AT 5%. SO IF THIS IS A HILL Y'ALL WANNA DIE ON, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT AND MOVE ON. CORRECT? THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY FEELING. EXACTLY. OKAY. I JUST WANNA SAY THIS IS WHY THE BUDGET GETS BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER. WELL, NO, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT TOO. NO, I'M SAYING IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND I KNOW IT'S ONLY 45,000, BUT THAT'S IT. RIGHT. BUT I SOMETHING I LIKED WHAT, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN SAID ABOUT YOU WANNA TREAT EVERYBODY EQUAL AND WE WANT TO GIVE, UH, THAT COVERED PARKING. I THINK THAT'S FAIR, ESPECIALLY IN THIS ENVIRONMENT HERE. UM, HAVE WE BEATEN THE HORSE FOR PARKING, COVERED PARKING YET? UH, DO WE HAVE SOME CONSENSUS AS TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WHETHER WE WANT TO TAKE IT OUT, WHETHER WE WANNA PAY THE DIFFERENCE OR, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO ANSWER THAT IN COMMENTS VERSUS IN QUESTIONS BECAUSE OKAY, THAT'S FINE. BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO TIE IT IN. THAT'S FAIR. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHERE I WAS BEFORE ABOUT THE, THE, THE MASKING OR LACK THEREOF. IF YOU CAN'T DO MASKING, AND I UNDERSTAND BY LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE ACTUAL RENDERING OF THE PROJECT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE TO BEGIN WITH. IS, IS THIS GONNA BE A STUCCO BUILDING OR IS IT GONNA BE METAL FINISHED BUILDING? WHAT'S IT, WHAT'S THE OUTSIDE SURFACE GONNA BE? I BELIEVE IT'S STUCCO. IS THAT RIGHT MATT? UM, MOSTLY STUCCO. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT COSTLY TO PUT A STYROFOAM AND MESH PATTERN ON THAT WALL. HOW COSTLY COULD THAT BE VERSUS US REQUIRING THE ACTUAL MASSING THAT'S REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR THE MASSING THAT'S REQUIRED AND I DON'T WANNA KILL [02:00:01] IT OVER THIS PROJECT, BUT TO MAKE IT LOOK NICER FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL, INSTEAD OF JUST ONE BIG MASS. IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY POSSIBLE. I CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME AIR CONDITIONERS OR SOMETHING AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT WALL. IT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REAL RENDERING. YEAH. NOT SURE HOW THEY, HOW THEY FIT THAT IN THERE. IT'S, IT IS A COURSE PROHIBITIVE TO DO STYROFOAM WITH MESH. THEY HAVE TO DO ANYWAY. IT'S JUST BUILD IT OUT. I'VE SEEN SOME REMARKABLE WORK DONE ON, ON, UH, STYROFOAM AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL THAT COST PROHIBITIVE. AS I SAID, THEY'VE ADDRESSED IT THAT WAY IN OTHER AREAS ON THE BUILDING, THEY JUST HAVE THIS ONE LEFT. SO MY ASSUMPTION WAS SINCE THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT ONE TOO, THAT IT WAS COST PROHIBITIVE OR WOULD JUST GENERALLY MAYBE NOT LOOK ATTRACTIVE. THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT FAKE BUMP OUTS ALWAYS LOOK MORE ATTRACTIVE. UM, OKAY, I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION. YEAH, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS, THIS 11TH HOUR IS NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE IN MY MIND. BUT GO AHEAD BRIAN. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE RATHER THAN THIS ADDITIONAL STYROFOAM AND WIRE MESH? HOW ABOUT WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND SEE ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING LOOKING LIKE A MURAL ON THE SIDE OF THAT PLANE? THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. BRIAN. I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA SUGGEST MAYBE YOU SPEAK WITH NANCY. YEAH, I BET YOU SHE COULD FIND PEOPLE. THERE'S A GREAT MURAL ON THE SIDE OF WHOLE FOODS THAT LOOKS TERRIBLE. ARE WE READY FOR IT'S IN DISREPAIR. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, STOP. THAT'S A PROBLEM. OKAY. BRIAN, ARE YOU DONE FOR THE MOMENT, MAYOR? YES. THANK YOU. I JUST DIDN'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF. OKAY. UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, CUT. PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? NO, MA'AM. WE'RE GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. LET'S GO FOR OURSELVES FOR, UH, COMMENTS. OKAY. AND DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. ARE YOU DOING IN ORDER OR ARE YOU TAKING YES, WE'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT DOWN. WE'LL COME TO COME TO ME. OKAY. I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING AND I THINK THIS CAN BE BUILT AND THE IDEA THAT AT THE 11TH HOUR AFTER STAFF AND ENGINEERING AND EVERYBODY HAS BEEN DOING EVERY SINGLE THING THEY CAN TO MAKE THIS WORK AND HAVE FINALLY GOT SOMETHING WHERE THEY THINK SUDDENLY THERE'S BUREAUCRACY, THERE'S RED TAPE, THERE'S STYROFOAM, THERE'S, MAYBE WE SHOULD GO BACK AND ASK SOMEBODY ELSE. I CAN'T WE EVER JUST EXERCISE OUR POLITICAL WILL AND OUR RIGHT TO JUST APPROVE SOMETHING. I THINK THAT LOOKS WONDERFUL. I AM NOT OFFENDED BY THE, BY THE BLOCK. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK PUTTING MORE STYROFOAM INTO THE ENVIRONMENT IS, IS THE WAY TO SOLVE EVERYTHING. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY FIRST COMMENT. MY SECOND COMMENT IS, I UNDERSTAND THE THING ABOUT, ABOUT YOUR CAR WAS HOT. EVERYBODY'S CAR'S GONNA BE HOT. SO BY THAT ARGUMENT, WE SHOULD PUT IT ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. IT'S REALLY NOT AN ARGUMENT THAT WE SHOULD PUT IT ON EVERY ONE OF THEM IF WE, IF WE DON'T WANT THEIR CARS TO GET TOO HOT. UM, I, SORRY. AND YOU KNOW, I I JUST, WE SAY WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF WE WANT IT. I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE MILLION DOLLAR APARTMENT BUILDINGS. IT'S NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THE SAME AMENITIES THAT OTHER APARTMENTS DO. THE DEVELOPER SAID HIS FOCUS WAS ON PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY APARTMENTS THAT ARE ROOMY. HALLELUJAH. GOOD, GOOD ON YOU. UM, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S DONE THIS, WHAT, 65 TIMES. I WOULD REALLY LIKE THIS TO BE THE 66TH TIME. AND I JUST THINK IT'S THE DIGGER ALLOWS THESE CHANGES. I I JUST THINK IT'S, I BASICALLY THINK IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE TO, TO NOT APPROVE THIS, THESE CHANGES AND, AND GET THIS PROJECT GOING. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING THE CULTURAL PARK WITH A LOT OF HOUSING. ARE WE GONNA IT'S, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE TO ME THAT IF, IF YOU WANNA COVER FIVE PARKING SPACES, THAT'S FINE. SPEND JUST THROW SUBSIDY MONEY AT IT TO COVER FIVE AND WE COULD THROW MORE CITY MONEY AT IT AND VILLE ARE ALL 15 OR HOWEVER MANY IT IS AND EVERYBODY WOULD BE HAPPY. I MEAN, I JUST WANT [02:05:01] US TO APPROVE THIS DAMN THING SO IT CAN MOVE FORWARD AND WE CAN GET AT LEAST ONE PROJECT DONE. THAT'S MY COMMENT. CAN I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE CLARIFY WHETHER YOU WOULD SUPPORT THE CITY FUNDING THE, THE COVERED PARKING OR NOT? JUST VERY SIMPLE YES OR NO. AND WE SHOW JUDGE JUDY, WHAT'S THAT? JUDGE JUDY . THAT'S WHAT SHE ALWAYS SAYS. VERY SIMPLE, YES OR NO. ANYWAY, I DON'T CARE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THIS DUMP THING MOVING FORWARD SO IT CAN START CONSTRUCTION IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO. OKAY. LET'S DO IT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, I TOO, AS WELL AS ALL OF US UP HERE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UH, THE, UH, WAIVERS FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND THE MASSING THING. I THINK THERE'S CLEVER EYE CONVERSATIONS HERE ABOUT WHETHER ART CAN FIX THE ISSUE THAT CAN BE DECIDED AT A LATER TIME. I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT REMOVING THE PARKING RESTRICTION, UH, UH, THROUGH THE DA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REMOVED IN THE DA $45,000 IS WITHIN THE CITY MANAGERS SPENDING AUTHORITY. THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A CONTINGENCY POSSIBLE IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST SOURCE FOR ME. UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE, UH, PARKING, UH, RULES. I DON'T WANNA SEE A SET, UH, UH, CHANGE RULES LIKE THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE LOWER INCOME MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT RIGHT. SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KATHY. IT IS THE 11TH HOUR. THAT'S TRUE. AND WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ARE MORE REQUESTS ON TOP OF THE INCENTIVES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN GRANTED TO THIS PROJECT. SO THAT IS THE 11TH HOUR PROBLEM FOR ME. UM, WE ALL WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT I DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT STIGMATIZES THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY BEING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT UP TO THE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE WHAT IS USUALLY EXPECTED WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA. I THINK THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE ARE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS, REAL PROBLEMS BY CREATING, IF THERE'S SOMETHING IS CREATED THAT WOULD LOOK SO DIFFERENT THAT THEN PEOPLE WOULD POINT AND SAY THERE. THAT'S THE QUOTE CITY PROJECT. YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THINKING IN NEW YORK CITY, NEW YORK CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY, EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT THOSE BUILDINGS WERE BECAUSE THEY HAD A PARTICULAR LOOK AND THERE WAS A STIGMA THAT WENT ALONG WITH LIVING THERE. THAT IS REALITY. THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED HAVE THAT EFFECT ON THIS OR NOT. FOR ME, THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT, AGAIN, THAT THE DESIGN REVIEW NEEDS TO GO TO P AND Z. WE NEED THAT INPUT FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE THE EXPERTS. WE ARE NOT THE EXPERTS. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE AUTHORITY HERE, SHOULD WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY FOR ALL OF IT, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY TO DEBATE. IF YOU KNOW ANOTHER $45,000 THAT WOULD ADD COVERED PARKING OR ASSURE COVERED PARKING, MAKES SENSE THAT THAT FALLS TO US, NOT TO P AND Z. BUT THE, THE FRONTAGE, THE, THE STREET WALL BLOCKAGE, THOSE ARE P AND Z QUESTIONS I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THIS TIMEFRAME. THAT BEING SAID, I WANNA SEE THIS PROJECT SUCCEED VERY MUCH, VERY, VERY MUCH. UM, I WOULD BE WILLING TO FIRST OF ALL, USE CONTINGENCIES TO COVER THE COVERED PARKING. IF THERE NEEDS TO BE BEYOND CONTINGENCIES, I THINK IT SHOULD BE PLANNED IN, AND I GUESS THAT DOES, THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY OF SPENDING. IF IT DOESN'T, I THINK IT SHOULD COME BACK TO US. EITHER WAY, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, OF EXTRA MONEY GOING INTO COVER, THE PARKING. THAT IS AN EQUITY QUESTION FOR ME, UH, FOR, FOR PEOPLE'S QUALITY OF LIFE. AND GOES AGAIN, TO WHAT STANDARDS. DO WE WANNA HAVE A LOWER STANDARD FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T PAYING MARKET RATE HOUSING? NO, I DON'T WANNA HAVE A LOWER STANDARD. SO, UM, AND HERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO PREVENT THAT. IT MAY NOT BE PREVENTABLE IN ALL SITUATIONS, BUT HERE'S ONE WHERE IT CAN BE. SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD APPLY THAT. SO I, I, I CONCEDE WITH THAT, I CONCUR WITH THAT. UM, BUT REGARDING, I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IF THIS MOTION READ THAT IT WAS, UM, CONTINGENT UPON DESIGN APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE BODY THAT SHOULD HAVE THE DESIGN AUTHORITY. SO I'D LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT LANGUAGE TO BE ADDED INTO A MOTION UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. I COULD APPROVE THESE DESIGN ELEMENTS AND THESE REQUESTS AND THE MONEY. BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO NOT MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO OUR OWN PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO GO THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU LIKE TO OPINE ON WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS, BUT IT'S VERY DISTRACTING. COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON, PLEASE POKER FACE. OKAY. I'M NOT, LET'S NOT START, PLEASE. ON THE DAY, LET'S NOT START. IT'S, IT'S VERY DISTRACTING. I WAS TRYING TO SPEAK AND IT'S VERY HARD TO SPEAK WHEN YOU'RE CONSTANTLY, [02:10:01] THERE'S A RUCKUS HAPPENING AT THE END. THAT'S FINE. LET'S NOT DO THAT HERE. OKAY, BRIAN, WELL THEN THAT'S UP TO YOU TO CONTROL IT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I UNDERSTAND. IT'S UP TO ME. OKAY. I SUPPORT, UH, THE FIRST TWO ASKS, THE, UH, UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANE AND THE LENGTH AND HEIGHT, UH, WAIVER. AND THEN I'M NOT AS EMOTIONALLY INVESTED IN THE PARKING, UH, QUESTION. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S CONSENSUS TO HAVE PARKING AND OR COVERED PARKING. UH, SO I'M FINE WITH THAT. AND, UH, FINE WITH COMING UP WITH THE 45,000 TO ASSURE THAT IT DOES IN FACT, UH, TAKE PLACE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, UM, THE MOTION PER SE. OR MAYBE I SHOULD SAY I'M NOT WANTING, I DON'T SUPPORT COUNCILLOR KINSELLA. ASK FOR THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ON THE MOTION. UM, KURT HAS EXPLAINED THAT THIS IS WITHIN THE REALM OF ACCEPTABLE PROCESS, AND I THINK WE SHOULD JUST KEEP THIS THING MOVING ON THIS EVENING. SO I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BRIAN. MELISSA OR COUNCILOR DUNN? WHICHEVER, WHICHEVER. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KIRK FIRST. UM, AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, THAT, THAT FROM HERE, ONCE WE'VE APPROVED THIS AND IT MOVES FORWARD, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO P AND Z, WHO WOULD THEN LOOK AT ALL OF THE DESIGNS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO MEET ALL OF THE DESIGN CRITERION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT HERE? THAT'S CORRECT, COUNSELOR. AND SO IF THEY DIDN'T LIKE ANY OF THE DESIGNS THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN P AND Z AND THE DEVELOPER TO RESOLVE CORRECT. WITH THE EX, THE FEW, THE TWO EXCEPTIONS, CORRECT. OR THREE EXCEPTIONS COUNSEL MAY APPROVE TONIGHT. CORRECT. BUT I'M TALKING MORE LIKE DESIGN. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL STILL GO TO P AND Z FOR DESIGN REVIEW. CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD BEFORE I MADE MY COMMENTS. UM, I'M, I AM COMPLETELY OKAY WITH THE FIRST TWO. GO FOR IT. I REALLY WANNA SEE THIS BEING BUILT. UM, UH, I'M NOT AS, UM, DRAMATIC IN EITHER WAY AROUND THE COVERED PARKING. I UNDERSTAND WANTING IT TO BE THERE BECAUSE OTHER APARTMENTS HAVE COVERED PARKING, BUT IT'S 15 OF ALL OF THE SLOTS. IT'S NOT ALL THE SLOTS. SO NOT EVERYONE'S GOING TO GET COVERED PARKING. AND WHEN YOU GO UPTOWN AND YOU PARK IN A PARKING LOT, YOU'RE NOT GETTING COVERED PARKING. UH, SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD DESIGN IT IN SUCH A WAY SO THAT, YOU KNOW HOW, HOWEVER THE ENGINEERS ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, THEY COULD PUT IT IN AND THEN WE COULD THEN FIGURE OUT HOW IT'S GONNA GET PAID FOR, WHETHER WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE GOT FUNDS LEFT OVER TO PAY FOR IT. WE WOULD JUST LIKE IT NOTED THAT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE SOME COVERED PARKING THERE. PLEASE PLAN AND DESIGN FOR IT. BUT WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THAT IT BE PUT IN RIGHT NOW. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW IS WE NEED HOUSING, NOT PARKING. I GOT IT. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE HOUSING HAPPEN AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE PARKING BIT, UM, LATER ON. SO LONG AS IT'S BUILT INTO THE DESIGN, UH, WE CAN DECIDE WHO GETS TO PAY FOR IT LATER. SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I STAND. VICE MAYOR, I HEARD THE DEVELOPER SAY THAT IF WE WERE TO, TO, UH, ASK FOR THE PARKING, THAT IT WOULDN'T HOLD UP THE PROJECT, THAT HE COULD DO IT VERY QUICKLY. SO I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO DELAY IT FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT GETS DELAYED FOR THE FUTURE COSTS MORE MONEY AND RETROFITTING DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK ALL THAT WELL. SO I'M FOR THE COVERED PARKING NOW. AND, UH, I THINK TO COUNCILLOR ELLA'S POINT, I'VE BEEN READING A LOT OF COMMENTS THROUGHOUT, UH, OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THE FEAR OF INCOME HOUSING AND WHAT IT MEANS. AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE LOOK AND FEEL. AND SO I WOULD LIKE THIS TO LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT RENDERING IS, IS IS FINE, BUT IT ISN'T WHAT IT IS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE DON'T KNOW IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHICH REALLY BOTHERS ME A LOT. I DON'T, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THIS IN THE FIRST TWO WAIVERS, BUT I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS. I, I MEAN, I WANNA SEE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IN THE FUTURE. I DO, I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS WAS FAIR TO US. SHANNON. I'M SORRY, I, I GET IT THAT YOU'RE WORKING UNDER A TIMEFRAME, BUT WHAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE APPROVING. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT FITS IN THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY. I MEAN, IF IT LOOKED LIKE THIS, I'D BE OKAY WITH IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IS [02:15:01] IT CLOSE, SHANNON? IS IT YES. CLOSE. IT'S CLOSE. UM, AND KURT, CAN YOU JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY AFTER IT GOES TO P AND Z, WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, RIGHT? MM-HMM. NO. OKAY. IT'S JUST A REVERSE THAN WE NORMALLY DO THESE PROCESSES. SO I, I'M GONNA VOTE TO APPROVE IT, BUT I WON'T COVERED PARKING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. AND WHEN I, WE SHOULDN'T BE TREATING PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WE REQUIRE COVERED PARKING. YES. NOT FOR EVERY SPACE. NOT SAYING THAT, BUT FOR THE SPACES IN THE DIG. AND I AGREE AGAIN WITH COUNSELOR KINSELLA, WE'RE ALREADY GIVING CONCESSIONS. SO THESE ARE ADDITIONAL CONCESSIONS. SO THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. OKAY. SO, UM, JESSICA, CAN YOU WAIT, PLEASE. UM, SO I CAME INTO THIS ANNOYED BECAUSE THE ALREADY BEEN SAID YOU WANT TO, YOU'RE IN A RUSH TO GET THIS THROUGH. I'M IN A RUSH TO SEE IT GO THROUGH. YOU GIVE ME A RENDERING. IT SHOULD BE A FAIR, A BETTER RENDERING THAN US, OUR STAFF HAVING TO PULL SOMETHING UP HERE. I WAS INCLINED JUST TO SAY NO, BUT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. BUT I THINK THIS IS VERY UNFAIR. I WILL NOT TOLERATE THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT I WON'T TOLERATE THIS IN THE FUTURE. I WANNA SEE EVERYTHING THAT WE WE'RE VOTING ON. THAT BEING SAID, UH, KURT, I JUST WANNA BE SURE BY DOING, MAKING THESE CHANGES, WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT'S GONNA AFFECT US ON ANY OTHER FUTURE PROJECTS. NO, THIS IS SITE SPECIFIC AND PROJECT SPECIFIC. OKAY. SO THIS DOESN'T, UH, BIND THE CITY IN ANY WAY. OKAY. I JUST WANNA BE SURE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS I ALWAYS HAVE. UM, WHO WAS IT THAT SAID ANDY OR KURT? SOMETHING ABOUT SOLAR TURNING THAT PARKING, UH, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF SOLAR OR WAS THAT STEVE? IT WAS HIM. AND FROM THIS SIDE OF THE, I, I WAS REFERRING TO WHAT WE DID HERE AT CITY HALL, RIGHT. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH A PSI DON'T KNOW IF THAT OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE, UM, AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROJECT IN THE FUTURE OR NOT, BUT WAS, I DID ACTUALLY TALK TO BRYCE LAST WEEK ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF GRANT FUNDS RIGHT NOW FOR THAT. AND HE WASN'T AWARE OF ANY CURRENTLY, BUT WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE OUT FOR THAT. SO, OKAY. WELL, I'M FINE WITH IF IT'S NOT MISSING. WE NEED A BUILDING, WE NEED SOMETHING. UH, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT ALL THAT BAD. I WOULD JUST PREFER IT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTRACTIVE. BUT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS OKAY. UM, I COULD, I COULD LIVE WITH IT. I, I TOO WOULD SUPPORT, UH, COVERED PARKING BECAUSE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE DAY HAS SAID, WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS HERE. WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IT SOMETHING CHEAP. AND HEARING A MATT, IT, IT WAS, THE INTENTION IS NOT TO BE SOMETHING CHEAP, SO, UM, OR LESS THAN WHAT BELONGS HERE IN OUR CITY. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, COVERED PARKING AND IF WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT TO MOVE IT FORWARD, I DON'T WANT IT TO HOLD UP THE PROJECT. UM, I'M, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT COMING BACK TO US. IF THE P AND Z IF IT GOES TO P AND Z ANYWAY AS A MATTER OF, UH, POLICY, THEN FINE. UH, BUT WHAT IF IT DID HAVE TO GO TO P AND Z? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT TO HOLD UP THE PROCESS AT ALL. IT WOULD BE SCHEDULED IN JULY AT THIS POINT. WELL, THAT WOULD HOLD UP THE PROCESS. UM, I'M FINE WITH IT MOVING FORWARD. SHANNON, YOU HAVE A LOOK ON YOUR FACE LIKE UHUH. I SAID THE WRONG THING. SO TELL ME. OH, I WAS JUST CONFUSED WHEN YOU SAID THAT WOULD HOLD UP THE PROCESS. IF IT GOES TO P ANDT IN JULY, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE AUGUST BEFORE WE CAN TAKE THAT. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU WERE PLANNING ON SHOVELING THE GROUND IN JULY. SO YEAH, SO WE GOT BEHIND AND I SAID I REALLY WANTED TO GET, YOU KNOW, GREAT GROUND BY JULY. SO MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE, IT'S MY FAULT THAT THEY DIDN'T EXPECT TO HAVE RENDERINGS BY THIS DATE. BUT WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE CALENDARS AND WHEN WE COULD GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BEFORE P AND Z RATHER THAN AFTER THIS WAS THE DATE RIGHT. BUT I WOULD FIGURE THAT IT WOULD BE IN A PROCESS OF HAVING RENDERINGS FOR THEIR OWN ANYWAY. EVEN IF, IF IT'S JUST LINE DRAWINGS TO SOMETHING MORE THAN NOTHING, UH, KURT, UM, WE COULD JUST MOVE FORWARD. UH, SO IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S CONSENSUS FOR, FOR STRIKING THE, THE WAIVER OF THE COVERED PARKING. SO ANYONE MAKING A MOTION WOULD JUST NEED TO ADD IN IT WITH THE AMENDMENT OF REMOVING IT'S SECTION 2.13 OF THE AGREEMENT. SO STRIKING SECTION 2.13 OR AD REMOVING. AND THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE COVERED PARKING OR CO THAT WOULD NOW REQUIRE IT. 'CAUSE THE WAIVER IS WHAT'S IN. BUT IF WE HAD TO PAY FOR IT, SO THAT CAN BE DETERMINED LATER. UM, THE, THE DEVELOPER MAT REC SUGGESTED THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE CON CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY SUFFICIENT TO COVER, AND IF NOT, WE COULD, UM, THERE IS SOME SPENDING AUTHORITY UNDER CITY MANAGERS. AND AS A [02:20:01] A LAST RESORT, WE COULD ALSO JUST INCREASE THE CITY'S LOAN. UH, THE 2.25 MILLION COULD LATER BE AMENDED TO ADD IN ANOTHER 45,000 OR 50. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES. I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 11 AT 11 APPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE VILLAS ON SHELBY LLC WITH THE EXCEPTION OF REMOVING ITEM 2.1 0.3. THAT'S FINE. THAT COVER IT, KURT? YES. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I HAVE A DISCUSSION. YES. LET'S GET THE SECOND TAKEN CARE OF. OKAY. UH, MELISSA, DOESN'T MATTER. OKAY, MELISSA IS A SECOND DISCUSSION. UH, JESSICA FIRST. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT WHAT IS EVER BUILT IS GOING TO BE THE SAME AS WHAT YOU SEE IN SEDONA. AND THAT WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM SOMETHING. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT IT TAKES TO ACTUALLY BUILD THIS IS TOTALLY SUBSIDIZED BY OTHER PEOPLE. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REGULAR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING JESSICA. YEAH. THIS IS THE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ITSELF, NOT JUST OPINING A GENERAL OPINION. SO ON THE MOTION, NO, BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN, IN DISCUSSION THAT'S A CHANGE IS THE COVERED PARTY. OKAY. WELL, EVERYTHING, OKAY. EVERYTHING ELSE IS MOVING FORWARD, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED. I BELIEVE IT IS. SO IT ISN'T ACTUALLY, BUT THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KATHY, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP TOO. I BELIEVE I DID. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT I WANT IT ON THE RECORD AND IN THE MINUTES, YOU KNOW, THAT I REALLY HAVE CONCERNS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE AVAILABILITY OF THE, THE, UH, BENEFIT OF DESIGN REVIEW BY P AND Z BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO WORK ON FIGURING THAT OUT IN THE FUTURE, THAT TIMING AND THAT PROCESS. 'CAUSE TO ME, THAT'S BACKWARDS. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THAT, THE MOTION, BUT I, I REALLY WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD, THE DESIGN REVIEW, THAT I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE COSTS, THAT WE HAD TO DRAG THAT OUT FOR THE, UH, THE BENEFIT OF THE PARKING, THE COVERED PARKING. THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT, RELEVANT PIECE OF INFORMATION. UM, AND THAT THE NO RENDERING WAS AVAILABLE. SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE UNDER DURESS BECAUSE WE ALL FEEL THE URGENCY TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I CERTAINLY DO, BUT I, THIS IS NOT THE WAY THAT I WANNA SEE THESE THINGS PERCEIVED IN THE FUTURE. SO WITH MY CONCERNS NOTED, I WILL VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE WENT TO P AND Z FIRST. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL NOW TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK AT, UH, QUARTER AFTER SEVEN. OKAY. ITEM EIGHT [8.c. AB 3049 Presentation/discussion/possible direction regarding update on the Short-Term Rental Monitoring Program.] C AB 30 49, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION, AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING, EXCUSE ME, UPDATE ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MONITORING PROGRAM. TERESA, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO YOU TONIGHT. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM UPDATE, AND I HAVE GOTTEN, UM, EXPRESSIVE WITH THE SLIDES. SO THERE'S A FEW OF THEM AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING THROUGH THEM, GET THROUGH THEM. AND THEN I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT AHEAD OF TIME. I APPRECIATE THAT. I, SO THE PROGRAM TO DATE, UM, LAUNCHED, WE LAUNCHED LAST YEAR ON JANUARY 20TH, 2023. AND THAT WAS THE SOFT LAUNCH. THE ORDINANCE BECAME ACTIVE ON FEBRUARY 15TH. SO WE'VE BEEN ACTIVE AS A PROGRAM FOR 16 MONTHS. AND WE ARE CURRENTLY, AS OF THE END OF MARCH, WE'RE AT A COMPLIANCE LEVEL OF 97% OF THE 1154 PROPERTIES THAT WERE CAPTURED AS ACTIVELY ADVERTISING FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL. 1,121 ARE PERMITTED. AND IN COMPLIANCE DURING THE JANUARY THROUGH MARCH PERIOD, 33 WERE NOTICED THROUGH CERTIFI CERTIFIED MAIL THAT A PERMIT WAS REQUIRED. SO THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT DID NOT HAVE [02:25:01] A PERMIT BEFORE AND WERE ADVERTISING NEWLY 22 PROPERTIES WITH EXPIRED PERMITS, OR NO, NO PRIOR PERMIT RECEIVED CITATIONS. SO THE PEOPLE I HAD NOTICED DID NOT RESPOND. SO THESE FOLKS RECEIVED CITATIONS FOR PERMIT NON-COMPLIANCE. OF THE 22 PROPERTIES, RECEIVING CITATIONS ALL CAME INTO COMPLIANCE EITHER BY STOPPING ADVERTISING OR GETTING A PERMIT EXCEPT FOR SEVEN. AND THOSE SEVEN PROPERTIES WERE ADJUDICATED AND RECEIVED FINES FOR PERMIT NON-COMPLIANCE. THAT'S ABOUT 0.6% OF ALL ADVERTISING PROPERTIES. ALSO, AS AN UPDATE, THE EMERGENCY CONTACT LIST WAS PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE IN JANUARY OF 2024. AND IT IS UPDATED ON ALTERNATING MONTHS. THERES, COULD YOU IN THE MIC A LITTLE BIT MORE? SURE. LET ME, IS THAT BETTER? YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I WANTED TO JUST SHARE SOME OF THE DISPOSITION ABOUT WHERE PROPERTIES THAT WERE WORN AND CITED ENDED UP. SO IN JANUARY 11 PROPERTIES WERE CITED FOR NEVER OBTAINING A PERMIT. SO THESE ARE FOLKS I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH IN 2023, AND THEY JUST NEVER GOT AROUND TO IT. SO WHEN 2024 CAME, THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY CITED. THERE WAS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION 'CAUSE WE'D HAD ALL THE DISCUSSION. SEVEN OF THOSE PROPERTIES OBTAINED PERMITS AND THE CITATIONS WERE DISMISSED. FOUR PROPERTIES WERE ADJUDICATED AND EACH PROPERTY WAS FINED. $595 71 PROPERTIES WERE IDENTIFIED FOR ADVERTISING ON EXPIRED PERMITS. AND BETWEEN THE TWO MEMBERS OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM, TONY AND STAN AND I, THOSE PROPERTIES WERE EMAILED AND WARNED. AND OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WERE WARNED, 42 OF THEM RENEWED THEIR PERMIT. SO THEIR CITATIONS WERE DISMISSED. 17 STOPPED ADVERTISING COMPLETELY AND TAKE, TOOK THEIR ADS DOWN. AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ASKED IF THAT'S CHECKED. AND I DO CHECK EVERY MONTH WHEN I GENERATE A REPORT WHO'S ADVERTISING AND WHO'S NOT. SO, UM, IF SOMEBODY TOLD ME THEY WERE STOPPING AND THEN I RAN ACROSS THE FACT THAT THEY DID, AGAIN, I'M VERY LIKELY JUST GONNA CITE 'EM 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. UM, AND THEN 12 PROPERTIES WERE CITED FOR ADVERTISING ON EXPIRED PERMITS BECAUSE THEY WERE WARNED THEY DIDN'T RESPOND. OF THOSE 12 PROPERTIES, EIGHT RENEWED THEIR PERMITS AFTER RECEIVING A CITATION. ONE STOPPED ADVERTISING AND THE CITATION WAS DISMISSED. AND AN ADDITIONAL THREE PROPERTIES WERE ADJUDICATED AND EACH OF THEM WERE FINED $595. OUR CURRENT ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS IN PROGRESS, THE FOUR PROPERTIES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY CITED FOR NEVER OBTAINING PERMITS, ONE PROPERTY HAS STOPPED ADVERTISING, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO CHECK THEM. TWO PROPERTIES HAVE A SECOND CITATIONS IN PROGRESS, AND ONE PROPERTY HAS A THIRD CITATION IN PROGRESS. AND TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT MONITORING, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THINGS CHANGE ALL THE TIME. AND SO LAST THURSDAY I LOOKED AT THAT THIRD PROPERTY AND THEY WEREN'T ADVERTISING. AND I JUST HAPPENED TO BE CHECKING THINGS OVER THE WEEKEND. 'CAUSE I WAS WORKING ON MY REPORT. AND GUESS WHAT, THEY STARTED ADVERTISING AGAIN. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE CITED, THIS WILL BE THEIR THIRD CITATION, AND IF THEY CAN'T MANAGE TO KEEP THEIR AD DOWN, THEN FURTHER ACTION WILL BE TAKEN. BUT THEY ARE HAVING A THIRD CITATION. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MESSAGE THEY'RE RECEIVING IS, BUT, BUT WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THAT. OF THE NEWLY ADVERTISING, THREE, SIX PROPERTIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, THEY ALL RECEIVED A LETTER, A CERTIFIED LETTER IN THE MAIL. 12 OF THOSE OBTAINED PERMITS, FIVE PROPERTIES STOPPED ADVERTISING. FOUR WERE MISIDENTIFIED BY GOBOS. SO GOBOS ATTACHED ADVERTISEMENTS THAT WEREN'T RELATED TO THOSE PROPERTIES. AND I WAS ABLE TO DO THE RESEARCH AFTER I WAS NOTIFIED AND VERIFIED THAT, SO PERMITS NOT REQUIRED THREE PROPERTIES, UH, REQUIRE FURTHER AD ADDRESS RESEARCH BECAUSE THEY CAME BACK AND EIGHT GAVE NO RESPONSE. SO THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE CITED, UM, ONE PROPERTY WILL BE CITED, A NEW PROPERTY THAT ALSO I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH IN 2023. AND THEY TOOK THEIR ADS DOWN AND I RAN ACROSS THE FACT THAT THE AD WAS UP. SO THEY'LL GO RIGHT INTO CITATION. SO PERMIT RENEWALS ARE NOT APPROVED WITHOUT A VALID TPT LICENSE. AND I'VE BEEN CAPTURING FOLKS THIS YEAR, AND SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN CITED HAVE BEEN CITED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOTIFIED THEY NEEDED A TPT LICENSE, THEY HAD ENOUGH TIME TO GET IT CORRECTED, AND THEY DIDN'T MANAGE TO, AND THEY LET THEIR PERMITS EXPIRE. SO THAT MOVES THEM INTO A [02:30:01] CITATION CATEGORY FOR 2025. THERE WILL BE NO WARNING EMAILS THAT WE SEND OUT. AND, AND I KNOW IT'S, YOU COULD ASK A VALID QUESTION ABOUT WHY AM I DOING THIS? AND THERE'S AN EVOLUTION OF THE PROGRAM. AND AS I BRING OWNERS FORWARD AND EDUCATE THEM NEXT YEAR, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE EDUCATION THAT THERE ARE NO WARNINGS. IF YOU LET YOUR PERMIT LAPSE, YOU WILL BE CITED. BUT THERE'S A PROCESS HERE. AND IF I JUST WENT AHEAD AND CITED PEOPLE THIS YEAR, I'D HAVE FIVE TO SIX EMAILS A PIECE FROM THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE, UM, IN GENERAL, OWNERS DO NOT PROACTIVELY READ OUR, OUR, UH, CITY WEBSITE. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY LOOK AT THINGS. SO, UM, IT IS MY GOAL TO HAVE THAT BE MORE STRICTLY ENFORCED NEXT YEAR. AND, AND I WILL. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THIS PRO, THIS PROGRAM IS RELATIVELY YOUNG YET. AND SO I'M, I'M BRINGING PEOPLE ALONG AND, AND THAT'S MY PLAN PERMIT APPLICATIONS. WHEN I RECEIVE AN APPLICATION OR A RENEWAL, I REVIEW ALL OF THE ONLINE LISTINGS FOR EACH PROPERTY AND PROPERTIES WITH, I CAN SEE THAT HAVE CODE VIOLATIONS. SO IF THEY HAVE MORE UNITS THAN TWO, I CALL THAT THE ATTENTION OF CODE OR IF THERE'S A SECOND FULL KITCHEN, OR IF WHEN I'M REVIEWING THE, THE ADVERTISING LISTING, IF I SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A BEDROOM WITH NO EGRESS, I WILL CALL THOSE TO CODE'S ATTENTION TO INVESTIGATE THEM. SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR ENFORCEMENT. AND WE'RE, WE'RE CATCHING THAT AT THAT TIME. UM, I KNOW I HAVE HEARD SOME CONVERSATION FROM, UH, DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AROUND CONCERNED AROUND NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION AND SEX OFFENDER SCREENING ENFORCEMENT. AND I'M, YOU'RE AWARE AT THIS TIME THAT THAT'S A KIND OF A BIGGER TASK THAN OUR CURRENT STAFFING CAN DO. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT WE COULD DO IS GET SOME OPPORTUNITY BY DOING A RANDOM SAMPLING OF ALL THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND PICKING 10 TO REVIEW THEIR NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATIONS AND SEE IF THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE AND PICK ANOTHER 10 RANDOM PROPERTIES TO REVIEW THEIR SEX OFFENDER SCREENINGS TO SEE IF THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE. ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES OF THIS IS THAT A LETTER WILL GO OUT TO ALL OWNERS. AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT GOING TO REVIEW EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT, THERE'S SOME INFORMATION THERE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT YOU'RE ON NOTICE THE CITY'S PAYING ATTENTION. AND SO WE GET SOME REALLY GREAT IMPACT IN TERMS OF MONITORING AND ENFORCEMENT, AND WE REINFORCE THE MESSAGE THAT THIS IS AN EXPECTATION, BUT WE DO THAT COST EFFICIENTLY AND TIME EFFICIENTLY. IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT KIND OF RESULTS WE GET FROM THIS AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT. SO MY PLAN IS TO DO THAT OVER THE SUMMER. SO THERE ARE PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT THINGS IN PROGRESS. UM, I'VE BEEN HOLDING MEETINGS, ACTUALLY TONY AND I, TONY IS A GREAT MEETING PARTNER. HE BRINGS A GOOD PERSPECTIVE FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT. UM, WE'VE BEEN HOLDING MEETINGS WITH OTHER CITIES TO DISCUSS THEIR PROGRAMS AND COMPARE PRACTICES. AND WE HAVE MET WITH FLAGSTAFF, PRESCOTT SCOTTSDALE, CHANDLER COTTONWOOD, AND LAKE HAVASU CITY. UM, THE MOST EVOLVED PROGRAMS OF ANYONE WE'VE TALKED TO ARE BOTH SCOTTSDALE AND LAKE HAVASU CITY. BUT SEDONA STILL HAS THE HIGHEST COMPLIANCE RATING OF EV ANY OF THE CITIES. UM, AND I HAVE SOME THEORIES ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL GO INTO THAT LATER. SCOTTSDALE AND LAKE HAVA SIOUX CITY ARE ENFORCING PERMIT NOISE AND PARTY VIOLATIONS AND ALSO CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS. AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE BOTH COMMUNITIES HAVE A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM WITH PARTIES THAN WE DO. UM, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A LEVEL OF COMPLIANCE, AND THEY DON'T OFTENTIMES EVEN HAVE THE LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION TO GET PEOPLE WITH THE PERMIT ENFORCEMENT. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL ENFORCING PRETTY HEAVILY AT TIMES THEIR PERMIT COMPLIANCE, BUT THEY'RE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THAT. AND, UM, THEIR PROCESSES ARE CONSISTENT WITH OURS AND THEY'RE DOING MORE, UH, ENFORCEMENT. BUT SCOTTSDALE HAS AN, THEIR NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTAL RENTALS FLUCTUATE. THEY FLUCTUATE BETWEEN 40 505,000 DEPENDING ON THE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY. AND FOR THEM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS KIND OF BLINK ON AND OFF. AND, UH, NONE OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES WERE ABLE TO GIVE ME A NUMBER. BUT I KNOW IN TALKING TO FLAGSTAFF, THEY'RE NOT READY YET. THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT THERE YET. AND, UM, CHANDLER IS NOT THERE YET. AND SO THEY'RE, [02:35:01] UM, THEY'RE STILL DEVELOPING THOSE PROGRAMS. PRESCOTT I THINK, IS STILL DISCUSSING THEIR PROGRAM. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE AN ACTUAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROGRAM OR AN ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM YET. AND, AND FLAGSTAFF IS STILL UNDER DISCUSSION. ONE OF THE THINGS THESE MEETINGS DO, AND I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, IS I'D LIKE TO HOLD A A COM, LIKE A REGULATORS MEETING ACROSS THE STATE. AND I'VE PUT SOME FEELERS OUT AND REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY RESPONSE BACK. SO I THOUGHT IF I START MEETING ONE-ON-ONE WITH CITIES, THAT WE GAIN RELATIONSHIPS, WE START TALKING ABOUT BEST PRACTICES AND PEOPLE GET THE BENEFIT OF WHY WE SHOULD MEET AND WHY WE SHOULD TALK. SO THEY'RE NOT ONLY INFORMATION GATHERING MEETINGS, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LIKE SALES MEETINGS AND WE'RE PROMOTING THAT. SO THAT'S PART OF THE GOAL OF THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ENOUGH CONVERSATIONS THAT I CAN START A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS MEETING WITH PROPERTY PROPERTY MANAGERS, UM, AND MEETINGS WERE HELD IN MAY TO DISTRIBUTE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURES AND SHARE KIND OF PROGRAM UPDATES, CLARIFY ANY NEEDED UNDERSTANDINGS OF HOW CITY CODE WORKS AND WHAT THE EXPECTATION OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROGRAM IS. AND WHEN I LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM LAST YEAR, I SENT LETTERS OUT, PROPERTY MANAGERS HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ME SINCE PROBABLY, UM, 2021. AND THEY HAVE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEY'VE BEEN THANKFUL FOR THE RESPONSES. AND THEY IN TURN HAVE BECOME MORE AND MORE RESPONSIVE. AND SO I DECIDED WHEN WE LAUNCHED A PROGRAM THAT I WOULD CON CONTACT PROPERTY MANAGERS AND TRY TO GIVE THEM A JUMP ON WHAT OUR LAUNCH WOULD BE AND THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE A BETTER WORKING RELATIONSHIP. AND IN MY OPINION, IT'S WORKED VERY WELL. UM, THE PROPERTY MANAGER THAT HAD BEEN WORKING WITH OUR RESPONSIVE, BOTH IN THE THINGS I ASK THEM IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, AND THEY WILL COME TO ME AND COMMUNICATE. SO I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A RELATIONSHIP WORTH CULTIVATING. UM, AFTER WE DID OUR MEETING THIS TIME, A NUMBER OF THEM ASKED FOR A MONTHLY MEETING. AND I, I CONSIDER THAT TO BE A POSITIVE. AND WHILE, UM, NOT EVERYBODY GETS THEIR WAY ALL THE TIME, I THINK IF YOU HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY THAT YOU TRUST, IF I HAVE TO BE THE BEARER OF LESS THAN COMFORTABLE NEWS OR, OR DIFFICULT NEWS, PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY CAN TALK TO THE CITY. THEY KNOW THEY CAN WORK WITH US AND THEY'VE, WE'VE BEEN PAID BACK IN RESPONSIVENESS TO THAT VERY WELL. SO WE WORK WITHIN A FRAMEWORK. AND ARIZONA STATE LAW DEFINES REALLY SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE CAN DO FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND CITATIONS AND WHAT COUNTS AS A STRIKE AND WHAT DOESN'T. SO NOISE AND PERMIT NON-COMPLIANCE THAT ARE ADJUDICATED CAN COUNT AS THREE STRIKES TOWARDS A PERMIT. REVOCATION LACK OF NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION, SEX OFFENDER SCREENINGS OR BUILDING CODE CITATIONS THAT ARE ADJUDICATED CAN ALSO COUNT AS THREE STRIKES TOWARDS A PERMIT REVOCATION. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I DIDN'T PUT IN HERE IS THAT THOSE THREE STRIKES NEED TO OCCUR WITHIN THE SAME YEAR. SO WITHIN A YEAR OF EACH OTHER. HOSTING AN EVENT SUCH AS A WEDDING RECEPTION OR PARTY REQUIRES JUST A SINGLE STRIKE IF ADJUDICATED FOR PERMIT REVOCATION, UM, AND HOSTING A SEX OFFENDER, OF COURSE, PROSTITUTION, DRUG ACTIVITY, ALL OF THOSE REALLY THINGS WE DON'T WANT THAT IF IT BECOMES ADJUDICATED IS A SINGLE STRIKE. AND, AND THAT WILL BE REV REVOKED. THE VIOLATIONS NOT COUNTED AS STRIKES TOWARDS REVOKING A PERMIT ARE TRASH, LIGHTING, WEEDS OR OTHER AESTHETIC SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL OR PARKING CODE VIOLATIONS, UNLESS THEY POSE A, A SERIOUS THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. BUT THEY WILL INCUR CITATIONS. SO CODE CAN STILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. AND UNLESS WE HAVE THESE REALLY SPECIFIC AREAS THAT, UM, ARE DEFINED BY THE STATE, WE REALLY HAVE TO REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS THE SAME WAY WE DO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. SO MOST OF YOU HEARD ME GRUMBLED FROM TIME TO TIME ABOUT OUR SOFTWARE. AND GOBOS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN COMMITTED TO. AND UM, THEY PROVIDE US SERVICES, BUT FAIRLY LIMITED SERVICES. SO THEY MAINTAIN OUR DATABASE AND THEY MAINTAIN OUR FEE PAYMENT SOFTWARE. AND INTERESTINGLY, WITH ALL THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR DURING THE LAUNCH YEAR, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH COLLECTING MONEY , SO ALL THE OTHER REPORTING ISSUES AND DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I THINK WE MAYBE HAD LESS THAN 10 [02:40:01] ISSUES WITH THE FEE PAYMENT SOFTWARE WORKING. SO THAT HAS BEEN ON POINT. UM, THEY COLLECT THE RENTAL LISTINGS. THEY USUALLY DO A WEB SCRAPING ABOUT THREE TIMES A WEEK AND CAPTURE THE ADS THAT ARE LIVE ON THE INTERNET. AND WHAT THEY DO IS WE HAVE AN EXISTING DATABASE OF ALL SEDONA PROPERTIES AND GOBOS WILL GO IN AND CAPTURE THOSE ADS. AND THEN THEY HAVE STAFF THAT EVALUATE EACH AD AND ATTACH THEM TO PROPERTY ACCOUNTS. SO THAT'S DONE MANUALLY. THEY DO THAT FOR US. AND SO THEY REVIEW ADS AND, AND THERE ARE SOME ERRORS AND I RECENTLY MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT HOW I'D LIKE SOME BETTER CHECKING FROM THEM. AND, UM, THEY HAVE SAID THEY VALUE OUR BUSINESS AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THAT. AND, AND THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN. BUT, UM, THAT IS A SERVICE THEY PERFORM FOR US. THEY ALSO GIVE US A 24 7 ISSUES HOTLINE. AND FOR THE MOMENT THAT IS BETTER, PROBABLY THROUGH THE BUSIER PART OF THE YEAR, I HAD JUST ISSUES. AND MY TYPICAL ISSUES ARE A, A HOTLINE AGENT DOESN'T RESPOND TO A COMPLAINT OR THEY MISRE RESPOND TO IT. AND SO THEY'RE NOT HUGE THINGS, BUT I, I HAVE PURSUED EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE OF THAT. AND SO THEY'RE AWARE OF, OF HOW THAT RES HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. AND THEY ARE DOING BETTER. I HAVEN'T SEEN, OH MY GOD, KNOCK WOOD, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A HOTLINE ISSUE IN PROBABLY ABOUT SIX WEEKS. SO I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY FINALLY FOUND FOR THE MOMENT THEIR MAGIC FORMULA. IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE THIS IS A CALL CENTER AND THESE ARE STAFF THAT THEY HAVE TO STAFF AND AS WE KNOW, WE ARE IN A WORK ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE'S HIGH TURNOVER, BUT AT THIS POINT THEY SEEM TO HAVE COME TO A GOOD PLACE IN OUR SERVICES. THEY ALSO GIVE US A, A CUSTOMER SUPPORT LINE, AND THERE'S SOME REAL VALUE IN THAT BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS. SO RATHER THAN ME HAVING TO HANDHOLD HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE AND WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS, GOSS WILL OVER THE PHONE LOOK AT SOMEONE'S ACCOUNT 'CAUSE THEY CAN SEE WHAT THE OWNER SEES AND THEY CAN ACCESS THAT ACCOUNT AND THEY CAN WALK SOMEONE THROUGH IT. OR IF THEY'RE REALLY BEFUDDLED, THEY'LL ACTUALLY DO IT FOR THEM ON THE PHONE. AND GOBOS HAS BEEN VERY CONSISTENT IN HELPING WITH THAT. AND, AND THAT'S A REALLY VALUABLE SERVICE, UM, THAT, THAT TAKES A REALLY SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF WORK THAT WOULD NOT BE SUSTAINABLE FOR ME IF I HAD TO DO THAT WITH 1100 PEOPLE. SO THE SOFTWARE'S NOT SMART SOFTWARE. UM, AND THE CITY'S CONTRACT WITH GOBOS IS LARGELY CONFIGURED THAT, UM, A LOT OF THE DATA THAT WE EXTRACT IS SELF-SERVICE. AND SO MY REPORTING IS, IS RUNNING A SPREADSHEET. I SET THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT I WANT THE SPREADSHEET TO SEE AND, AND I PULL IT REPORT. AND, AND ONE OF THE ONGOING ISSUES OR LEARNINGS WITH GOBOS IS REALLY TRAINING THEM AND HOLDING THE EXPECTATION TO LEARN TO HONE DOWN TO THE DETAILS. SO NOT ATTACHING THE WRONG ACCOUNTS, UM, ZONING THINGS, THINGS CORRECTLY. SO THERE'S DETAIL PIECES AND THEY'RE BETTER THAN THEY WERE, BUT I STILL AM REQUIRED TO RUN MULTIPLE REPORTS EACH MONTH AND THEN GO IN AND MAKE THOSE COMPARISONS AND LOOK FOR THE GAPS IN INFORMATION. AND I, I WILL TELL YOU, AND I, I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR CERTAIN, BUT I HAVE COME TO BELIEVE THAT MAYBE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT OTHER CITIES CAN'T TELL ME WHAT THEIR COMPLIANCE PERCENT IS, IS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A PAIN IN THE NECK TO DO THIS. AND IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME NOT TO DO IT BECAUSE WE NEED THAT INFORMATION AND HOW CAN I TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING ON IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION? UM, BUT IT MAY BE THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE JUST DECIDING THAT'S NOT WORTH THE EFFORT. AND, AND SO THAT'S MY SPECULATION AND I'LL GO ON RECORD AS SAYING IT'S JUST SPECULATION. UM, SO FOR ME, I'M LOCATING AND RESOLVING DATA ERRORS. I'M CONTINUING TO EDUCATE GOBOS STAFF ON HOW TO WORK WITH THEIR ACCOUNTS. UM, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THAT THEY WERE SETTING UP, THEY WEREN'T DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN WHAT'S WITHIN CITY LIMITS AND OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. AND I DID A TRAINING WITH THEM AND NOW THEY SET THAT UP CORRECTLY SO I DON'T HAVE TO REFUND PERMIT FEES FOR THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK OR SORT THAT OUT OF OUR, OUR REPORTING. UM, AGAIN ABOUT ACCURACY. UH, WE HAVE TO SET UP OUR OWN LETTERS IN THE SOFTWARE AND THEN SET UP WHO GETS THE MAILINGS. AND THESE ARE ALL REALLY SIMPLE THINGS EXCEPT THAT THERE REALLY HASN'T EVER BEEN A MANUAL OR TRAINING. SO WE'RE KIND OF LEARNING, CONTINUING [02:45:01] TO LEARN ON THE FLY AS THEY HAND THESE DUTIES OFF TO US. AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE A FAIRLY, IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN TERMS OF OWNERSHIP IS A MOVING TARGET. PROPERTIES SELL PROPERTIES GET BOUGHT PROPERTIES, START RENTING PROPERTIES, STOP, STOP RENTING, AND IT, OR THEY CONVERT TO LONG-TERM RENTAL GO SHANNON. UM, BUT IT'S, NOBODY NOTIFIES US. AND SO A LOT OF TIMES WHAT I'M FINDING OUT IS WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO PERMIT SOMETHING, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, OH, IT'S SOLD. UH, SO THERE'S JUST THIS KIND OF ONGOING CHASING A VALID DATA. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY SOFTWARE WE COULD BUY WHERE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THE CASE BECAUSE WE DON'T GET UPDATES FROM THE COUNTY. GIS OUR OWN GIS SYSTEM HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF PRIORITIES SOMETIMES THAN OWNERSHIP. SO USUALLY I'M THE FIRST ONE GETTING THE NOTICE BECAUSE THE CONSUMER WHO WANTS TO PERMIT THEIR PROPERTY IS EAGER TO TELL ME THEY MIGHT NOT BE EAGER TO CHANGE THE ADDRESS IN THE COUNTY. THEY MIGHT NOT BE EAGER TO CHANGE THE ADDRESS, UM, EVEN WITH THE CITY. SO, UM, A LOT OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY TO GET AROUND, ALTHOUGH I'M GONNA BE OPEN TO ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT SHOW UP. BUT AT THAT POINT, THIS IS ON US REGARDLESS, I THINK OF WHICH VENDOR WE HAVE. AND I, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE READ THIS, SO I'M NOT GONNA READ IT THROUGH, BUT THE, THE WEAKNESS OF THIS PROGRAM IS ALSO ONE OF ITS GREATEST STRENGTHS. AND, AND THAT IS THAT I HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH EVERYBODY WHO GETS A PERMIT. I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THINGS TO THEM, I HAVE TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS. SO THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS THAT COMMUNICATION IS LABOR INTENSIVE, BUT THE UPSIDE OF IT IS THAT AS A RESULT, WE'RE AT 97%. AND SEDONA HAS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT SOME OF THE BIGGER COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. AND, AND BY AND LARGE, I DON'T HAVE TO GO HUNTING FOR PEOPLE TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY'RE ADVERTISING. NOW I SUSPECT THERE ARE MAYBE ANOTHER 10% OF PROPERTIES AND OWNERSHIP THAT ARE OPERATING UNDER THE RADAR. THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN PRIVATE EMAIL LISTS OR THEY'VE FOUND OTHER WEIRD SITES TO DO THEIR BUSINESS ON. UM, I GOT A COMPLAINT FROM SOMEONE ABOUT A PROPERTY THAT WAS ACTING LIKE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AND IT WAS A COUCH SEARCH SURFING WEBSITE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED A MEMBERSHIP FOR. AND YOU KNOW, GOBOS IS NOT GOING TO SCAN THOSE. UM, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY, CERTAINLY NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT SO I, I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY A CERTAIN SMALL PERCENTAGE, BUT NEIGHBORS ARE REALLY GOOD ABOUT REPORTING THINGS AND ASKING QUESTIONS AND, AND SEDONA HAS A REPUTATION FOR BEING HELPFUL. AND SO PEOPLE WANT TO COME 'CAUSE THEY KNOW WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION. THEY KNOW WE'RE GONNA EXPLAIN THINGS AND, AND SO THERE'S AN, AN EXPECTATION, UM, THAT THEY WANNA COMMUNICATE WITH US. AND SO THEIR SELF, THEY'RE SELF-REPORTING. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I HAD, UM, A PROPERTY OWNER SELF-REPORT LAST SUMMER THAT SHE WAS GOING TO HOLD A WEDDING CELEBRATION. AND AFTER SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH HER SAYING, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME. SHE TALKED TO CARRIE MEYER AND CARRIE MEYER SAID, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS PERSON REPORTED TO US ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE THE EVENT. SO SHE WENT AHEAD AND HAD THE EVENT. MY WONDERFUL CODE TEAM WENT OUT AND GOT PROOF AND SHE DID RECEIVE A CITATION AND IT WAS ADJUDICATED AND SHE WAS FINE. IT WASN'T A HUGE FINE BECAUSE SHE SELF-REPORTED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WASN'T GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN. BUT, BUT THAT'S A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT MEANS TO KIND OF OPERATE AT THE GROUND LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION. AND SO THIS NEED FOR INTENSIVE CUSTOMER CONTACT IS, IS A LIMITATION, BUT IT ALSO HAS RENDERED SOME VERY REAL RESULTS FOR US. UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S A DUALITY. AND, AND THAT'S A REALITY. UM, AGAIN, WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY, A NEW OWNER HAS BOUGHT A PROPERTY, I HAVE TO CLOSE THE OLD ACCOUNT BY HAND. I HAVE TO OPEN A NEW ACCOUNT AND SET THINGS UP AND PEOPLE CAN'T PERMIT WITHOUT TWO CODES. AND AGAIN, THAT'S A PAIN. BUT THE BENEFIT OF IT IS WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE GOING INTO THE SOFTWARE AND CREATING ACCOUNTS THAT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. SO WE HAVE MAINTAINED CONTROL OVER OUR DATA AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT GIVES US A TREMENDOUS ADVANTAGE. AND EACH ADVANTAGE HAS A COST. SO THERE'S A COST INVOLVED, BUT UM, WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG FOUNDATION IN THIS PROGRAM [02:50:01] OF EXPECTATIONS COMMUNICATED AND THINGS BECAUSE OF THAT LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE DATA. SO I'M NOT GONNA WALK THROUGH THESE FLOW CHARTS. YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO STUDY THEM. AND IN THE INTEREST OF SAVING TIME AND GIVING YOU MORE TIME FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS, I'M JUST GONNA REFERENCE, THERE'S A FLOW CHART FOR NEW PERMITS AND PERMIT RENEWALS AND THE COMPLAINT PROCESS. AND THEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THE PROGRAM CONSTRAINTS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND I WANNA COMPLIMENT TONY AS A NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITH THE CITY. AND HE HAS REALLY STEPPED UP. UM, HE'S BECOME A GREAT PARTNER IN TERMS OF LEARNING ABOUT THINGS AND TONY AND STAN HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE, BUT THERE'S STILL A LIMIT. THEY'RE SPLITTING THEIR TIME BETWEEN SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY DO. AND THEIR ENFORCEMENT PROCESS IS MULTI-STEP IN TERMS OF WRITING THE, UH, CITATIONS, MAILING THEM, WAITING FOR RESPONSE, WORKING WITH THE COURT. IT'S NOT THAT ANY OF THESE THINGS ARE EXCESSIVE, IT'S JUST THAT THIS IS THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS. SO THEY DO REALLY WELL AND MANAGE WHAT THEY HAVE. UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME LIMITS AND THERE'S LIMITS TO HOW MANY OF THOSE ACTIONS THAT CAN BE HANDLED AT ONE TIME SO THAT THEY'RE HANDLED CORRECTLY. AND CODE HAS REALLY WORKED TO CREATE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COURT IN TERMS OF LISTENING AND RESPECTING WHAT COURT NEEDS. SO I THINK THEY HAVE FACILITATED THINGS AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN THERE'S THEIR FLOW CHART AND, AND I WANTED YOU TO SEE JUST THIS KIND OF ENTIRE PROCESS, THE THE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS AND THE TIME IT TAKES AND THE VARIOUS STEPS. AND AGAIN, I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO STUDY IT, BUT IT'S, UH, THESE ARE AVERAGES AND THINGS MAY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO THE COURT OR THE CITATION USUALLY GIVES OWNERS 30 DAYS TO RESPOND AND THAT CAN BECOME LONGER IF THEY CONTACT THE REPORT AND REQUEST AN EXTENSION. BUT SO FAR WE'VE JUST HAD EXTENSIONS. SO SOME OF THE PROGRAM GOALS THAT I HAVE ARE TO INCREASE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE COMPLAINTS HOTLINE. AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF EVENTS. AND WE'VE HAD A FEW EVENTS REPORTED, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS REPORTED AFTER THE FACT. AND SO WHAT WE NEED IS TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE WHAT'S HAPPENING WHILE IT'S HAPPENING. AND I THINK THAT, I WROTE ABOUT IT LAST YEAR IN MY RED ROCK NEWS ARTICLE, BUT I THINK PUTTING, UM, KEEGAN HAS VOLUNTEERED TO HELP ME CREATE SOME VIDEOS. AND I THINK IF WE PUT THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF PEOPLE AND INSTRUCT THEM ABOUT WHAT WE NEED AND REALLY TRY TO, TO EDUCATE OWNERS OR RESIDENTS ON, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE AN EVENT, MAKE SURE IT'S NOT JUST NOISE, BUT IF IT LOOKS LIKE AN EVENT, REPORT AN EVENT AND REPORT IT WHILE IT'S HAPPENING. AND I'VE TALKED TO THE CHIEF AND YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A NIGHTTIME EVENT, PD IS WILLING TO SUPPORT US BY TURNING ON THEIR BODY CAMS AND GATHERING DATA AND CODE ENFORCEMENT IS ALL OVER IT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY DURING THE DAYTIME. SO I THINK THIS CAN HAPPEN. UH, IT JUST REQUIRES THAT WE EDUCATE THE PUBLIC. 'CAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES OUR RESIDENTS FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING OF SERVICE BY ENDURING SOMETHING AND SO THEY DON'T CALL OR THEY WAIT A COUPLE DAYS LATER AND IT REALLY BUGGED THEM AND THEY JUST FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD REPORT. AND I WANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REPORT WHILE SOMETHING IS HAPPENING. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND I THINK CREATING SOME OF THOSE EDUCATIONAL VIDEOS ABOUT HOW TO USE THE HOTLINE MORE EFFECTIVELY WILL GO A LONG WAY AND MAYBE SOME ENCOURAGEMENT, UM, DON'T BE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT BEING A PROBLEM. GIVE US, GIVE US THIS INFORMATION WHILE WE CAN USE IT. UM, SO YEAH, JUST DEVELOP A FEW VIDEOS AND, AND BEST PRACTICES TO ENCOURAGE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH SEDONA REALTORS. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I'LL HAVE THE SAME SUCCESS AS I DO WITH PROPERTY MANAGERS, BUT I DO THINK THAT IN THE PAST THEY'VE BEEN INTERESTED. AND I THINK IF I CAN STAY IN FRONT OF THEM AND SET SOME EXPECTATIONS, AND PARTICULARLY TO GET THE GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURES IN THEIR HANDS FOR PEOPLE THEY'RE SELLING TO SO THAT THEY CAN EDUCATE THEIR POTENTIAL BUYERS AND, AND SHARE THAT WEB LINK TO THAT, THAT THEY CAN MAKE USE OF THAT. AND UM, I THINK IT'S WORTH SOME EFFORT TO DO THAT. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, SOME OF THE MOST OUTLANDISH TALES OF WHAT SEDONAS LAWS AND LIMITATIONS ARE SEEM TO COME FROM REALTORS. SO I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT US TO, TO HAVE MORE EDUCATION THERE. I WOULD ALSO REALLY LIKE TO SEE IF [02:55:01] I CAN DEVELOP AN IN-DEPTH OWNER EDUCATION PROGRAM. I USED TO MARKET FOR A LIVING AND I MARKETED IN HEALTHCARE AND IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE LAST PERSON THROUGH THE DOOR IS THE ONE THAT GOT THE REFERRAL BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TOO BUSY TO CONNECT THE DOTS. AND IF YOU DIDN'T TELL THEM HOW TO USE YOU, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO USE YOU. AND I THINK IF WE HAVE AN EDUCATION PROGRAM FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS TO BE BETTER OWNERS AND SPELL IT OUT, NOT LEAVE IT TO THEM TO FIGURE OUT, NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR, BUT TO REALLY MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS. UM, I THINK WE COULD MAKE SOME GAINS IN GUEST EDUCATION 'CAUSE THEY THINK THERE'S A DISCONNECT. PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH PERMITS, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO DO AND, AND MAYBE WHAT THEIR GUESTS ARE DOING ARE DIFFERENT. SO TO COME UP WITH SOME CONCRETE TOOLS FOR COMMUNICATING WITH THEIR GUESTS, SETTING EXPECTATIONS, HAVING THAT ON THE WEBSITE, MAKING MORE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OWNERS. UM, CLEARLY I CAN'T CAPTURE 1100 OF THEM, BUT I'M ENCOURAGED BY THE MOMENTUM I HAVE WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS. AND, AND WHEN I TALK TO OWNERS, QUITE A NUMBER OF THEM WANT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. I MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT. I HEAR WE LOVE SEDONA, WE WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. OKAY, LET'S TAKE YOU AT YOUR WORD AND BRING THIS DISCUSSION TO ANOTHER LEVEL. AND SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT. AND AGAIN, THAT COULD BE A SERIES OF VIDEOS, UM, AND SOME EDUCATION DEPENDING ON THE MOMENTUM MAY BE A PROGRAM, BUT TO REALLY CAPITALIZE ON THAT DESIRE AND, AND PULL THAT ROPE IN. I WOULD LIKE TO, THIS IS A REPEAT, BUT DEVELOP INSTRUCTIONAL AND BEST PRACTICES VIDEOS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS. JUST IN TERMS OF STAYING IN COMPLIANCE. UM, IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL DON'T REALIZE THEY NEED A TPT LICENSE. AND IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THEIR TPT LICENSE RENEWS YEARLY AND THAT EVERYBODY IN THE STATE IS RENEWING AT THAT SAME TIME. SO JUST SOME BEST PRACTICES PIECES TO GET PEOPLE THINKING AND, AND SMOOTH THAT PROCESS OUT SO THAT WE HAVE LESS ES EFFORT AT RENEWAL TIME AND PEOPLE ARE READY. AND OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA FOLLOW THAT, BUT WE MAY BRING THAT COMPLIANCE LEVEL UP. UM, I ALSO HAVE BEEN REALLY ENJOYING WORKING WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UM, STEVE AND TONY HAVE BEEN INSTRU INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING PULL THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND UNDERSTANDING CODE'S PROCESS. AND I KNOW THAT SHANNON HAS BEEN INTERESTED IN WORKING MORE CLOSELY. AND UM, ALSO STEVE HAS TALKED ABOUT HAVING, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS WORK WITH BUILDING VIOLATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. SO ATTENDING A MONTHLY MEETING WITH COM DEV AND LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT THEM IN THEIR ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AND SHANNON IN LOOKING FOR HER OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING. SO I THINK A MONTHLY ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING WOULD BUILD THAT. AND WHEN I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, ONE OF THE REALLY WONDERFUL THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THE RESOURCES IN WORKING WITH DIFFERENT TEAMS AND UNDERSTANDING BOTH FOR ME HOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS FIT IN WITH CITI, BUT ALSO HOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAN SUPPORT THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS. SO IT TURNS A PROGRAM INTO NOT JUST AN ASSET IN MAKING SURE THERE'S COMPLIANCE, BUT ALSO HOW CAN WE SUPPORT THESE OTHER PROGRAMS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THAT MAY GIVE US AN EDGE WITH COMPLIANCE AS WELL. SO THERE'S SOME IDEAS THAT WE ARE EXPLORING. UM, BEEN TALKING WITH KURT AND COM DEV AND LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE SOME UPDATES TO CITY CODE THAT WILL MAKE SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATION MORE EFFECTIVE. AND ONE IS TO GO FROM REQUIRING US TO CATCH PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING AN EVENT TO PROHIBITING ADVERTISING FOR EVENTS WITH THEIR SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO I LOOK AT AN ADVERTISEMENT WHEN I RENEW A PERMIT, AND IF I SEE THAT THIS PERSON IS SAYING, OH, GREAT SPACE FOR WEDDINGS, GREAT SPACE FOR WORKSHOPS, UM, THAT WE CAN CITE THEM FOR THAT, AND THAT ACTUALLY I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, I I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO, TOWARDS SENDING A MESSAGE TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD ADDITION. ALSO A LATE PENALTY FOR FAILING TO OBTAIN A NEW PERMIT OR RENEW A PERMIT ON TIME. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE NOW THAT WE MOVE INTO THAT 'CAUSE THE PROGRAM'S WENT AROUND AND THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT CLARIFYING RIGHT NOW [03:00:01] WHEN THE, WHEN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM LAUNCHED IN 2020, WHAT WE WERE DOING, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS EMERGENCY CONTACT REGISTRATIONS. THAT WAS ONE REGISTRATION A SINGLE TIME. AND IT WAS JUST BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WAS ADVERTISING, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MANY UNITS, SO IT WAS ONE REGISTRATION PER PROPERTY. AND WHEN WE LAUNCHED THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROGRAM, WE LAUNCHED IT WITH THAT SAME UNDERSTANDING. THERE WAS NOT A, A LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT WE'RE AT A PLACE NOW WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT REQUIRING EACH UNIT ON A PROPERTY TO BE PERMITTED. SO THAT POTENTIALLY GIVES US MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL 300 PERMITS. AND, UM, I I, I DON'T WANNA GRATUITOUSLY PUNISH PEOPLE, BUT I THINK IT'S AN ANOTHER GOOD MESSAGE TO SEND TO RESIDENTS THAT PROPERTIES ARE PERMITTED APPROPRIATELY AND WE RECOGNIZE THEIR IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT ADDITION TO OUR ORDINANCE. UM, THE OTHER ONE IS THAT, UH, PERMITS DON'T TRANSFER EVEN IF THE OWNERSHIP IS AN LLC. AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE ENACTED THE, THE ORDINANCE THE FIRST TIME, WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT PERMITS DON'T TRANSFER, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME EFFORT, UH, TO KIND OF GET AROUND THAT BY A LOT OF PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR PROPERTIES IN LLCS. AND IT'S LOOSELY DEFINED RIGHT NOW. SO IF WE MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT YOU CAN'T TRANSFER, EVEN IF THE OWNERSHIP IS AN LLC, THAT WILL MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR AND TIGHTEN THAT DOWN. UM, ALSO TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S A VIOLATION TO BOOK GUESTS FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL WITHOUT A PERMIT NOT JUST TO ADVERTISE. SO THIS YEAR IT'S LIKE, OKAY, YOU'RE ADVERTISING ON AN EXPIRED PERMIT, YOU GET X SEVEN DAYS TO GET INTO COMPLIANCE OR YOU'RE GONNA GET CITED. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS MOVE THAT FORWARD AND SAY, IF YOU KNOW YOUR PROPERTY'S EXPIRED AND YOU'RE BOOKING EVEN BOOKING, YOU'RE CITED. SO, UM, AGAIN, A GOOD, A GOOD, UH, A GOOD ADDITION TO OUR ORDINANCE AND THEN JUST AN EXPLORING EXPLORATION OF THE ADDITION OF A HEARING ADMINISTRATOR. AND I KNOW THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO THAT AND, AND I JUST INCLUDE THAT AS AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION. SO JUST SOME FINAL NOTES. UM, OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMITTING PROGRAM, AGAIN, IS AT 97% COMPLIANCE AND CAPTURING THAT FINAL 3% IS JUST GONNA BE A MOVING TARGET. THIS IS LIKE EMPLOYEE TURNOVER. WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TURNOVER. AND INTERESTINGLY, THE PROPERTIES NOW THAT I'M SEEING SELLING AREN'T PROPERTIES THAT WEREN'T ADVERTISING. THEY'RE ACTUALLY PEOPLE WHO PERMITTED THEIR PROPERTY EARLIER THIS YEAR AND THEY'RE SELLING THEIR PROPERTY. SO A PERMITTED PROPERTY SEEMS TO BE A HOT COMMODITY. AND SO I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT IF AN OWNER INVESTED IN A PERMIT RENEWAL, THEY'D WANNA KEEP THAT PROPERTY. BUT PRETTY MUCH LATELY, EVERYTHING I'M SEEING THAT'S SELLING AND TURNING OVER IS A PERMITTED PROPERTY AND IT'S A RENEWED, NEWLY RENEWED PERMIT. UM, OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT COMPLIANCE IS LARGELY VOLUNTARY AND HAS BEEN ACHIEVED THROUGH EDUCATION. SO I THINK OUR WEAKNESS, AGAIN, IS OUR STRONG SUIT. WE'VE, WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. UM, PERMIT COMPLIANCE IS HIGHER THAN ANY OF THE CITIES WE'VE MET WITH TO DATE. AND ONE OF THE USES OF THE MONTHLY REPORT THAT'S GENERATED IS I'VE BEEN SHARING A MONTHLY REPORT WITH COM DEV, WHICH THEY'VE SHARED WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND ALSO WITH WASTEWATER SO THAT THEY CAN CONDUCT THEIR STUDIES ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL IMPACT ON WATER USE AND WASTEWATER. AND, UM, THE FEEDBACK I'VE HAD FROM STEVE IS THAT THAT'S A VERY POSITIVE THING. UM, I'M ALSO PROVIDING THE EMERGENCY CONTACT LIST TO THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT OFFICE. AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE NOT JUST CATERING TO OWNERS, BUT I PROBABLY HAVE SEVERAL HUNDRED THANK YOU EMAILS FROM OWNERS WHO ARE APPRECIATIVE OF THE EFFORTS MADE TO HELP THEM PERMIT SUCCESSFULLY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF HOW WE'VE, IF YOU WILL, ONE HEARTS. SO HOW CAN I ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS? HEY, THERESA, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE WITH THE QUESTIONS, CAN I JUST HAVE YOU TOUCH ON THE NOISE AND THE THREE STRIKE AND THE THREE STRIKES WITHIN THE YEAR AND JUST CLARIFY WHEN, UM, YES, POLICE ARE SENT OUT. OKAY. YES. SO I THINK, UM, I SENT AN EMAIL TO, UH, ANNETTE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE ON PAPER THAT NOISE VIOLATIONS WOULD BE LOW HANGING FRUIT FOR A PERMIT REVOCATION. [03:05:01] AND THE WAY THAT PD OPERATES AND HAS BEEN OPERATING IS THAT THE FIRST VISIT IS AN EDUCATIONAL VISIT. AND, AND PRETTY MUCH ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR NOISE VIOLATIONS ARE RESOLVED IN ONE VISIT FROM PD. AND, AND SO, UM, IT, THE, THE GUESTS ARE VERY RESPONSIVE. SOME OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES FOR, UM, THAT PATHWAY TO REVOCATION IS THAT THE SAME PERSON, SO THE SAME GUEST WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THREE CITATIONS IN ONE YEAR. MM-HMM. THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT IS REALLY, REALLY SMALL. AND THEN IF WE DID HAVE SOMEONE DUMB ENOUGH TO DO THAT WITHIN A YEAR, WE WOULD SOMEHOW HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY COUNTENANCE THIS BEHAVIOR IN ORDER TO MAKE IT AS A STRIKE OR A REVOCATION FOR THE OWNER'S PERMIT. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY A VIABLE PATH. WE GET MORE TRACTION OUT OF NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION OR SEX OFFENDER SCREENINGS OR COMPLIANCE. UM, BUT, BUT THE NOISE PROCESS REALLY ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WILL, IT WOULD TAKE A MIRACLE TO PROVE TO SOME, TO SOME DEGREE THAT AN OWNER'S LIKE, YEAH, GO AHEAD. WE HAVE A BETTER LUCK IN, IN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE FOR EVENTS THAN WE DO IN TRYING TO GET PERMITS REVOKED FOR NOISE. SO THAT'S, I WANNA MAKE SURE I SHARE THAT WITH YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU, THERESA. WELCOME. UH, ANY PARTICULAR EDGE? WANNA START? AND BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE'LL WORK OUR WAY DOWN TO THE CENTER. THERESA, THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE. UH, YOU WERE WELL PREPARED FOR US TONIGHT, SO THANK YOU. UM, WHEN A CITATION IS ISSUED, WHO IS IT THAT ACTUALLY DISMISSES IT? WHEN IT DOES GET DISMISSED? ANSWER THAT. WELL, OKAY. IF, IF WE ISSUE A CITATION AND THEY COME IN COMPLIANCE, UH, CODE WOULD FILL OUT A REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL AND THEN THE COURT WOULD EITHER GRANT THAT OR, OR NOT GRANT THAT. OKAY. SO ULTIMATELY THE, THE CITY JUDGE WIND UP DISMISSING THE CITATION. YES, SIR. OKAY. I I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE FOR A MINUTE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KURT IS A GREAT RESOURCE AND HE DROPS BY WITH IDEAS AND INFORMATION. AND AS THIS PROGRAM CONTINUES TO MATURE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY ALSO, AS WE CITE FOR PERMITS THAT LAPSE WITHOUT WARNING, WE MAY ELECT IN THE FUTURE TO NOT DO DISMISSALS OR TO ADD AN ADMINISTRATION FEE, WHICH TONY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT. SO IF YOU PUT US TO THE TROUBLE OF CITING YOU NEXT YEAR, WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST DISMISS IF YOU COME INTO COMPLIANCE AFTER THE FACT, YOU'LL EITHER BE FINED OR THERE'LL BE SOME KIND OF FEE BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, HAVING, HAVING SOMEONE SEND ME SEVEN EMAILS BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, AS WE MOVE THROUGH EDUCATING OWNERS AND WE OPERATE AS EDUCATORS, I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WITH CONTINUING TO RAISE THE BAR OF THE EXPECTATION OF COMPLIANCE. AND I THINK WE WILL BE IN A POSITION TO DO THAT, SO WE COULD ALSO BE IN A POSITION TO STOP DISMISSING CITATIONS. OKAY. GREAT. YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, ENFORCEMENT WILL BE STRICTER IN 2025. JUST CURIOUS, IS THAT CALENDAR 25 OR FISCAL 25? I, I WAS THINKING CALENDAR 25 BECAUSE OUR, THE PERMIT CYCLE RENEWS, AND LET ME THINK OF A TACTFUL WAY TO SAY THIS. IF, IF OWNERS AREN'T SUFFICIENTLY EDUCATED WITH CHANGES TO COME, IT, IT LEADS TO PANIC. AND RATHER THAN UNDERSTANDING INSTRUCTIONS AND FOLLOWING THEM, THEN WE JUST HAVE THIS PANDEMONIUM OF PEOPLE REALIZING THINGS ARE HAPPENING TO THEM AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHY. SO I WOULD BE WILLING TO START THIS BEFORE THAT, BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GET THE EDUCATION OUT TO THE OWNERS SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND WHAT'S EXPECTED, AND THEN I CAN REFER BACK TO THAT AND THEN I'M VERY HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. OKAY. YOU MENTIONED DOING AN AUDIT, UH, FOR AN IN, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATION AS WELL AS SEX OFFENDER SCREENING. WHAT, HOW WOULD AN OWNER DO SEX OFFENDER SCREENING RIGHT NOW? THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS ONE OF THE, OH MY GOSH. HOW DOES THAT EVEN HAPPEN? AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO BITE BACK MY FIRST RESPONSE ABOUT HOW THE STATE WROTE THE LAW. UM, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND [03:10:01] IT IS WHEN THE LAW PASSED, AIRBNB KIND OF SOLD LEGISLATORS ON THE FACT THAT THEY WERE DOING SCREENINGS. AND THERE IS A LOT OF, THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS INITIALLY, AND I, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AND CALLED AROUND THE COMMUNITIES AND THERE'S JUST THIS TOTAL GAP IN INFORMATION AND, AND WHAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PIECE TOGETHER IN THE LAST YEAR AND, AND WHAT'S REALLY TELLING TO ME IS WHEN I HAD MY MEETING WITH PROPERTY MANAGERS, NOBODY TRUSTS AIRBNB, AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN SCREENINGS. BUT AIRBNB IN THE, I GUESS THE COMMON DISCUSSION SUPPOSEDLY HOLDS SCREENINGS. AND I HAVE TRIED TO FIND OUT IF AIRBNB WILL GIVE SOME KIND OF WRITTEN RECORD TO OWNERS ABOUT SCREENINGS. AND OF COURSE THEY CAN'T SHARE, YOU KNOW, THE IDENTITY PIECES OF IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WON'T EVEN GIVE LIKE, WRITTEN CONFIRMATION OF, HEY, WE'RE DOING YOUR SCREENINGS. SO IF I WERE TO PURSUE THIS, WHAT I WOULD HAVE THE EXPECTATION OF IS THAT THE OWNERS THAT ARE AUDITED CAN VERIFY THAT THEY'VE BEEN CONSISTENTLY USING AIRBNB SO THAT SOME FORM OF SCREENING IS DONE. AND I'M OPEN TO OTHER IDEAS FROM KURT OR STAFF, BUT, BUT THIS, THIS LAW IS CLEVERLY WRITTEN SO THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO ENFORCE. AND I THINK THE MESSAGE IS THAT THE CITY IS PAYING ATTENTION AND THERE'S PROBABLY MORE VALUE IN THE MESSAGE THAN THERE IS IN, IN THE ACTUAL, UM, AUDIT ITSELF. UM, BUT IT, IT SERVES TO OPEN A DIALOGUE. AND, UM, IT, ONE OF THE REASONS I'M OKAY WITH DOING THIS, 'CAUSE I, IN MY MEETINGS, MY RECENT MEETINGS WITH PROPERTY MANAGERS, THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT? WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? IT'S SO DIFFICULT. AND THE PROPERTY MANAGERS WHO WORK WITH THEIR CLIENTS ARE ON TOP OF EVERYTHING. THEY'RE PERMITTED ON TIME, THEY'RE ADDRESSING ISSUES, THEY'RE DOING THOSE THINGS. BUT I'VE ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS OVER THE TELEPHONE WITH PEOPLE WHO SAY, OH YEAH, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBORS ARE SHORT TERM RENTING AND THEY THINK THAT SEX OFFENDER SCREENING IS A BUNCH OF HOOEY AND THEY'RE NOT BOTHERING. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANECDOTAL. BUT I, I DO THINK IT DOESN'T HURT TO SET THE EXPECTATION THAT THE CITY IS PAYING ATTENTION. AND IF THROUGH DISCUSSION AND CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING, WE COME UP WITH ANOTHER WAY TO IDENTIFY WHAT CONSTITUTES PROOF. UM, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE ME, THERE ARE SERVICES LIKE SUPER HOG THAT PEOPLE PAY FOR TO DO SCREENING. AND, AND ONE OF THE REALLY SAD THINGS IS SO MANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE GEARED TOWARDS THE CORPORATE OWNERS. IF YOU OWN A BUSINESS, YOU CAN PAY FOR THESE SERVICES. YOU REALLY HAVE GREAT FACILITY WITH WEBSITES. AND SO THE VERY PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW DON'T NECESSARILY CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY ARE THE ONES THAT CAN AFFORD THESE AUGMENTED SERVICES. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW AN ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THIS SURVEY OR THIS, UH, AUDIT IS A FIRST STEP, BUT IT WILL HAVE TO BE VERY CLEARLY DEFINED AND, AND PEOPLE CAN'T BLOW IT OFF. IF I CONTACT SOMEONE AND THEY'RE UNDER AUDIT AND THEY JUST DON'T REPLY, THEY'LL GET CITED. WHEN YOU GET CITED, WHETHER IT'S FOR SEX OFFENDER SCREENING OR HAVING A PERMIT IS, AND, AND YOU'RE NONRESPONSIVE. SO IS IT, YOU'RE CITED WITHIN SEVEN DAYS, 10 DAYS, AND WHEN'S THE NEXT CITATION? SO I'M CONTINUING TO BLOW YOU OFF. SO AT WHAT POINT AM I AT THREE STRIKES FOR NON PERMITTED USE? LIKE HOW FAST CAN I ACCUMULATE THOSE THREE STRIKES? WELL, IDEALLY WE, AND WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS BECAUSE A, A GROUP OF CITATIONS MOVE THROUGH THE COURT AT A SET PERIOD OF TIME, AND I JUST HAD A DISCUSSION RECENTLY WITH KURT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OWNER THAT'S GONNA HAVE HIS THIRD STRIKE AND BECAUSE HE'S NEVER HAD A PERMIT, WHAT DOES HE CARE IF WE DENY HIM A PERMIT? SO WHAT ARE OTHER STEPS TO TAKE? AND IN SPEAKING WITH KURT, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, CITE THEM IN SHORTER PERIODS OF TIME. UM, AND WE COULD EVEN MOVE TO A DAILY CITATION. AND WE CAN'T NECESSARILY RUN THAT THROUGH CODE IN THE COURT. A DAILY CITATION IS NOT A MANAGEABLE WAY TO DO THAT. BUT WE MAY BE ABLE TO ACCUMULATE PENALTIES AND RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, ON MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY YOU WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. SO EACH OF THOSE DAYS YOU INCUR PENALTIES. SO AS THE ACTUAL CITATION PAPERWORK MOVES THROUGH THE SYSTEM, IT RECOGNIZES THAT SERIES OF PENALTIES. AND KURT, I SEE YOU LOOKING UP. DO YOU [03:15:01] HAVE OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT. SO YOU COULD CITE 'EM FOR A WHOLE WEEK'S WORTH ON ONE CITATION, SEVEN, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, 15 DAYS WORTH DIFFERENT COUNTS, ONE FOR EACH DAY. AND THEN WE KNOW THAT AT THAT POINT AFTER THE THIRD, THE, THE MINIMUM OR, OR UP, IT SHOULD BE $3,500, UH, EACH ONE. AND SO THAT SHOULD GET THEIR ATTENTION PRETTY QUICKLY. AND IT WON'T BE PROFITABLE TO CONTINUE WITHOUT A PERMIT. ALSO, AFTER THE THIRD, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, THEY'D BE PROHIBITED FROM GETTING A PERMIT FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND SEVEN DAYS OF $3,500 PER DAY. UM, HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE ENOUGH SELF PRESERVATION TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT. AND AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT. SO THE, THE MECHANISM FOR THE CITATION PROCESS, WE CAN'T RUN THROUGH THE, THE CODE IN COURTS DAILY, BUT WE CAN ACCUMULATE THOSE FEES AND, AND THIS WILL BE A GOOD TEST CASE OF THAT. 'CAUSE I WILL CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ON THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE. ARE WE ABLE TO BASICALLY GO PUT A, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT UH, COM DEV DOES IF SOMEBODY'S BUILDING WITHOUT A PERMIT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT LIKE A STOP WORK SIGN GOES OUT AND YOU CAN LOCK IT UP, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? I MEAN, ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT S SO IN IN, UH, IN THAT SCENARIO, THEY, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR A, A HEALTH OR SAFETY REASON. YOU CAN, YOU CAN REVOKE IT TO YOUR OCCUPANCY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME SCENARIO. UM, JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT DOESN'T MEAN THE BUILDING'S NECESSARILY UNSAFE. OKAY. THERESA, YOU MENTIONED, UH, A NUMBER OF WAYS OF SEEKING TO BE, UH, PROACTIVE IN REACHING OWNERS. AND, UH, ONE THOUGHT THAT I HAD WAS THAT, UM, YOU CAN GET, UH, A LISTING OF ALL NEW PROPERTY OWNERS AND HOW ABOUT PROACTIVELY COMMUNICATING TO THEM, YOU KNOW, HEY, WELCOME ON, WELCOME TO SEDONA. CONGRATS ON BUYING YOUR PROPERTY. OH, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE FOR ALL THE YEARS THAT I WAS A LONG-TERM RENTAL OWNER HERE, LIVING IN GEORGIA, THE CITY USED TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME AND MAKE SURE I KNEW I COULDN'T DO SHORT TERM RENTALS PRE 2016. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DID TRY, DID NOT TRY. UM, BUT ANYWAYS, MIGHT BE AN IDEA. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. OKAY. ANYTHING I CAN DO TO GET A JUMP ON PROACTIVE? IT DOES A COUPLE THINGS. ONE IS PEOPLE ARE GLAD FOR THE INFORMATION. UM, THEY'D RATHER IF THEY'RE GONNA COMPLY, THEY, THE EARLIER THE NOTICE THE BETTER. SO THAT BUILDS GOODWILL. AND IT ALSO HAVING THAT LIST GIVES ME, INSTEAD OF ME HAVING TO RUN A REPORT AND FIND OUT WHO'S ADVERTISING WITHOUT A PERMIT, I'M CATCHING THEM HOPEFULLY BEFORE THEY START DOING THAT. SO, YEAH. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. OKAY, SO NEXT QUESTION. UH, GOOGLE'S GETTING INTO THE BUSINESS OF BEING A PARA AIRBNB. OKAY. LOOKS LIKE THAT'S NEWS FOR YOU. I WAS GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU NO KNEW ABOUT THAT. YEAH, I SAW SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THE OTHER DAY. SO, UH, BE ON THE LOOKOUT. UM, YOU MENTIONED THE WEDDING EXAMPLE, THAT'S A STRIKE ONE. YOU'RE DONE. AND WE DIDN'T ENFORCE THAT LAST YEAR. WHAT ABOUT IN 2025? OH, WE'LL, AS SOON AS I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, I'LL BE MAKING THOSE VIDEOS AND WE'LL BE ENFORCING IT IMMEDIATELY. THERE'S, THERE'S NO MORE HESITATION THAT EDUCATION PERIOD IS OVER. EVEN IF THEY CALL YOU AND TELL YOU I'M DOING NO, I'M, NOPE, I'M, I'M NOT INTERESTED. WE, WE GAVE THAT ONE PERSON AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT I DID SEND A NOTICE OUT. ONE OF THE GREAT FRUSTRATIONS IN MY LIFE IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T READ THEIR EMAILS OR THE MAIL LETTERS I SEND THEM. UM, BUT I DID SEND A NOTICE OUT IN NOVEMBER AND SAY TO EVERYONE THAT EVENTS WERE PROHIBITED. AND I WILL BE PUTTING THAT UP ON THE WEBSITE IN A VIDEO, AND I'M GONNA HAVE A, I HAVEN'T DECIDED IF IT WILL BE A MAIL, BUT I'M GONNA SEND A LETTER TO OWNERS, PROBABLY MAIL WITH ALL THESE UPDATES AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY TALK ABOUT, I'M ENCOURAGING RESIDENTS TO REPORT EVENTS AND IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT AND IT'S REPORTED, THAT'S IT. IF WE GET TO PROOF YOU'RE DONE AND, AND JUST TO SET THESE EXPECTATIONS. UM, SO THAT NO, I, THERE'S NO MORE HESITATION. I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. WHAT'S THE STATUTORY FEE LIMIT ON, UH, GETTING YOUR PERMIT, YOUR OPERATING PERMIT? THE STATUTORY LIMIT IS $250, AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE CHARGING 200. UM, AND IF WE GO TO A PERMIT PER UNIT FEE, IT WILL BE $200 PER UNIT. SO SOMEONE WITH TWO UNITS WILL PAY TWO PERMIT FEES. UM, THE, THE AMOUNT WE CAN CHARGE IS PREDICATED BY THE COST OF THE PROGRAM, [03:20:01] OUR COST TO DO THE PROGRAM. AND JOANNE KEEN, WHEN SHE WAS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, DID THOSE ORIGINAL CALCULATIONS AND CAME UP WITH, UH, THE $200 FEE IS, IS WHAT IT COSTS US. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY IN HAVING A ANNETTE HERE AND HAVING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND I THINK HAVING MORE DEPARTMENTS DISCUSS THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH KURT AND ANNETTE AND MAYBE STEVE AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE REVISE THAT? DO WE HAVE A BASIS FOR THAT? AND REDEFINE IT. LOOKING AT ALL OF YOUR FLOW CHARTS WITH ALL THE ESTIMATED TIMES ASSOCIATED WITH IT? I WOULD THINK SO, YES. AND DON'T FORGET PDS TIME. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SPEAKING OF PD, SO MAY MAYOR AND COUNCILOR REAL QUICK, SORRY, COUNSELOR. UH, JUST TWO POINTS ON THAT. THE ONE, THE PERMIT CAN ONLY BE, THE COST OF OUR FEE CAN ONLY BE THE COST OF ISSUING THE PERMIT, NOT ENFORCING IT AFTERWARDS. THAT'S LIMITED BY STATE LAW, BUT IT, IT SHOULD CERTAINLY PROBABLY GO UP. UH, AND SECOND, THE, THE, THE SHORT TERM, IN MY OPINION, AND PROBABLY 'CAUSE I DRAFTED IT, BUT THE ORDINANCE ALREADY REQUIRES ONE PERMIT PER, PER SHORT TERM RENTAL. UM, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE CLEAR ENOUGH TO SOME OWNERS OR THEY'RE JUST TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT. AND SO THE, THE CLARIFICATION WILL JUST MAKE THAT COMPLETELY CLEAR, BUT IT ALREADY, EACH SHORT TERM RENTAL NEEDS A PERMIT. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALREADY DO AND, AND ARE MOVING TOWARDS. BUT WE MIGHT JUST ALSO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE AS WE'RE DOING THAT. AND TO, TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT KURT SAID, I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH GOV OS WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING PERMIT PER UNIT LAST YEAR. AND BECAUSE OF JUST THE GENERAL PANDEMONIUM OF THE PROGRAM LAUNCH, WE ELECTED TO DELAY IT. BUT I BROUGHT IT UP WITH THEM AGAIN RECENTLY AND JUST ASKED THEM WHAT AMOUNT OF TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO REWORK THE SOFTWARE. AND THEY SAID ABOUT THREE MONTHS. AND SO WE COULD DECIDE TO DO THAT AND LAUNCH IT AND HAVE THEM START WORKING ON IT IMMEDIATELY. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BE READY BY FALL, MID-FALL TO BEGIN TO DO THAT. AND, AND AGAIN, I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. AND THAT GOES, THAT THREE MONTHS GIVES ME TIME TO NOTICE OWNERS THAT THESE CHANGES ARE COMING AND WHAT THAT EXPECTATION IS. OKAY. TWO MORE QUESTIONS. SO YOU MENTIONED A POTENTIAL STAFFING ROLE, A HEARING ADMINISTRATOR. CAN YOU EXPAND UPON WHAT THAT PERSON WOULD DO AT ALL? YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT? WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU DOING IT OR HAVING AN ACTUAL HEARING ADMINISTRATOR? WELL, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION. UM, ORIGINALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A HEARING ADMINISTRATOR AND WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT VISIT. AND THEN KURT HAD MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT JUST BEING ADDED TO MY ROLE. AND THE, THE GOAL OF THAT WOULD BE TO EXPEDITE, UM, IF PEOPLE RECEIVE A CITATION AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR PERMIT, THAT SINCE THEN IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO JUST RULE ON IT AND SAY, YOU'RE FINE. AND THEN IF THEY WANNA CHALLENGE THAT, OR IF I'VE, I'VE DECIDED TO DISMISS IT, ALTHOUGH AFTER OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT, PROBABLY NOT LIKELY, UM, THEN THEY COULD TAKE THEIR CONTESTING OF, OF THAT DECISION TO THE COURT. SO COURT WOULD BE THE SECOND VOICE, UM, RATHER THAN THE FIRST VOICE. AND UM, THAT WOULD SAVE SOME TIME IN TERMS OF MOVING THINGS THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND I ALSO TALKED TO GOBOS AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD TO THE SOFTWARE WHERE OWNERS COULD PAY THEIR LATE FEES AND OR THEIR CITATIONS THROUGH THE SOFTWARE THE SAME WAY THEY PAY THEIR PERMITS. SO THAT COULD POSSIBLY EXPEDITE AND FACILITATE THINGS. UM, BUT I'M REALLY NEW TO THIS DISCUSSION AND I THINK WE'D HAVE TO FLESH IT OUT MORE WITH KURT'S KNOWLEDGE AND MAYBE ANNETTE'S AND, AND CODES AND, AND GO FROM THERE. BUT, UM, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. OKAY. AND LAST QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF ACTUALLY REGARDING, UH, NOISE. SO, UM, THERESA PROVIDED A, A GREAT, UH, EMAIL RESPONSE TO ME VIA ANNETTE ON A QUESTION I HAD ASKED. UM, SEEING THE TWICE DAILY, UH, POLICE REPORTS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A FAIR NUMBER OF INSTANCES OF PD REPORTING OR RESPONDING TO NOISE COMPLAINTS. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF COUNSEL GAVE DIRECTION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WE'RE, WE'RE DONE WITH THE FRIENDLY APPROACH AND, YOU KNOW, ASKING YOU TO KEEP IT DOWN OR GO INSIDE, BUT RATHER IF IT'S AFTER NINE O'CLOCK AND IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE YOU'RE GETTING CITED, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? SO I WOULD SAY MOST OF THEM ARE HANDLED, UM, BY THAT FIRST TIME CONTACT. SO [03:25:01] I WOULD SAY IT WOULD REALLY COME OFF VERY HEAVY HANDED FOR MAYBE JUST A COUPLE, TWO TO THREE THAT, UM, WE'VE GONE BACK A SECOND TIME. IT MIGHT BE ON THE SECOND TIME, YOU'D WANNA TAKE A HEAVY OR MORE HEAVY HANDED APPROACH BECAUSE REALLY ON THOSE FIRST TIMES THEY COME IN COMPLIANCE, THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE US ANY FURTHER. UM, SO IT REALLY IS SUCH A SMALL MINORITY, UM, THAT HAVE A SECOND VISIT. AND IN ONE YEAR TIME SPAN, I THINK IT WAS TWO, MAYBE THREE HOUSES THAT WE WENT BACK A SECOND TIME TO. AND LIKE I SAID, THE MAJORITY ARE HANDLED WITH THAT ONE TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GO OFF THAT IT IS TWO TO THREE AND I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION, BUT SHOULD DIRECTION BE GIVEN TO ANNETTE TO WORK THROUGH YOU THAT MAY BE ON A SECOND TIME BECAUSE IT, THE FACT IS FOR THE FIRST TIME IT'S GREAT COMPLIANCE. I THINK THAT IT SPEAKS A LOT ABOUT THE OFFICERS BEING ABLE TO CONVEY THE IMPORTANCE, ESPECIALLY AT NINE O'CLOCK. BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING MORE ON THE SECOND TIME, EVEN THOUGH IT HAPPENS TWO OR THREE TIMES. WELL, I WOULD SAY EVEN, EVEN ON THAT SMALL NUMBER, THE TWO TIMES I, I FEEL LIKE FOR US AS A DEPARTMENT, I WOULD RATHER IF WE CAME BACK AFTER THAT SECOND TO GO AND, AND GIVE THAT CITATION, IF WE HAD TO GO BACK AFTER THE SECOND. BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SUCH A SMALL MINORITY THAT ALMOST TAKING A THIRD STRIKE APPROACH WOULD BE, IN MY MIND, A BETTER APPROACH. SO IF I'VE GONE ON THE FIRST ONE THAT'S HANDLED, 97% OF THEM RIGHT, AND I'M NOT A MATHEMATICIAN, SO DON'T CHECK THAT NUMBER, BUT IF MOST OF 'EM ARE HANDLED ON THAT FIRST TIME AND ONLY TWO THAT WE GO BACK TO FOR A SECOND TIME, THEN IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER GONE BACK FOR A THIRD. IF I COULD PUT IT TO YOU THAT WAY. SO IF ON ALL THE NUMBERS THAT I LOOKED AT FOR THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVEN'T GONE BACK FOR A THIRD, THEN IT REALLY IS WORKING. I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT IN TWO TO THREE PEOPLE TO DO THAT CITATION. I THINK IF THE PROBLEM GREW AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WEREN'T GETTING THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE FIRST, MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. IF THAT WENT TO THEN NOW ON THE SECOND, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 20, YOU KNOW, HOUSES THAT WE'RE GOING BACK ON A SECOND, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO STEP IT UP. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING HAS WORKED REALLY WELL THAT I JUST, I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD CHANGE IT AT THIS POINT AND THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO USE OUR DISCRETION IN HANDLING THEM. UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE'RE HANDLING THEM IS SEEING THE TIME DIFFERENCE OF THE GAP, RIGHT? IF WE JUST WERE THERE AND WE WAIT AROUND THE CORNER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WENT INTO THE COMPLIANCE, AND THEY DON'T, THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT, RIGHT? LIKE, BUT IF FOUR HOURS LATER WE'RE GOING BACK, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT REALLY IS STILL OUT, OR MAYBE IT'S JUST VOICES STILL CARRYING BECAUSE OF THE AREA, IT'S A HOT TUB OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WE'RE USING ALL OF THAT TO OUR DISCRETION. SO I THINK AT THIS POINT I WOULD STEER YOU AWAY FROM TRYING TO DO THAT, JUST TAKING AWAY THAT DISCRETION. 'CAUSE THERE IT'S BEEN GOING SO WELL, BUT I THINK IF WE SAW AN INFLUX IN, IN VIOLATIONS AND NOT HEATING THE WARNING, I WOULD CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND ANNETTE AND KURT COULD, I MEAN, I BELIEVE THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS ACROSS THE BOARD. SO IT'S, IF WE WERE TO TELL THE POLICE CHIEF, WE WANT YOU TO CITE ON THE SECOND TIME, THIS IS FOR ANYBODY MM-HMM, , IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH THAT IT'S JUST ONLY THE SHORT TERM RENTAL. SO IT WOULD BE RESIDENTS, ANYBODY, UM, AGAIN, SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. IT WOULD, IT'S THE APPROACH. YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC, RIGHT? I JUST THINK I WOULD RATHER SEE YOU HAVE THE TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX AND NEVER USE IT THAN NEED IT AND NOT HAVE IT FOR THE EGREGIOUS, UH, OFFENDER. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. YEAH. AND, AND TO THE POINT, UM, WE COULD DO THAT NOW IF IT WAS REALLY THAT EGREGIOUS, RIGHT? WE COULD DO IT ON ON THAT SECOND. CAN YOU YEAH, WE CAN, WE HAVEN'T THEN. THERE YOU GO. THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. SO, UM, AND, AND LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S TO THE PERSON THAT'S DOING THE NOISE. SO IT'S THAT RESPONSIBLE PARTY, IT'S NOT AN OWNER. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS, IT'S THE PERSON THAT'S AT THE HOUSE AT THAT POINT THAT WOULD RECEIVE THE CITATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS IT FIVE 50, UH, KACHINA IS A CONSTANT. I, AND IT'S BEEN GOOD THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT THE NEIGHBORS ARE VERY AGGRESSIVE IN LETTING COUNSEL KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A CONSTANT PROBLEM. AND YES, IT'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE TIME, BUT MAYBE THAT'S THE MOST EGREGIOUS LOCATION. FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY FEEL THAT THAT'S A PARTY HOUSE. SO, UH, I WOULD AGAIN, RATHER HAVE, UH, THE TOOLS TO NEVER BE USED AS OPPOSED TO NEEDING THEM AND NOT HAVING ON A SPECIFIC TIME. SO I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO COUNSELOR LTZ BECAUSE IT'S HIS OKAY, YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DUNN. WELL, FIRST TERESA SEEMS TO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT. PERHAPS I'M, I'M STILL [03:30:01] WONDERING IF WE CAN, UM, OWNERS, OWNERS KNOW THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE BASIC RULES AND THEN THEY'RE COLLECTING THE FEES. AND MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THIS THROUGH EDUCATION AND GETTING MORE SPECIFIC. UM, AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S ALSO CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAVE WITH INDIVIDUAL OWNERS, LIKE A FIVE 50 KACHINA AND JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE RECORDS WE HAVE AND THIS IS A REPEATING PROBLEM AND YOU KNOW, YOUR PARTICULAR PROPERTY'S UNDER DISCUSSION AND MAYBE YOU WANNA LOOK AT BETTER EDUCATION OF YOUR GUESTS AND HERE'S SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR YOU. WE HAVE THESE BROCHURES, YOU KNOW, AND COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HITTING THIS, WE WE CAN'T BE PUNITIVE. AND, AND IN A WAY I THINK THAT THAT'S OKAY. UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHO CALL REPEATEDLY AROUND CERTAIN PROPERTIES AND SOME OF 'EM ARE PROBLEMS AND SOME OF 'EM AREN'T. AND IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE SOME OF THE OWNERS, WHEN THEY, THE EMERGENCY CONTACT RECEIVES A CALL, THE OWNER'S RESPONSE NOW IS, WELL, THIS IS SOMEONE WHO JUST LIKES TO CALL ON MY PROPERTY. AND THERE'S A, THERE'S, WE'RE AT RISK OF LOSING AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE AND COMMUNICATE. 'CAUSE WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SORT THE REPEAT CALLERS WHO ARE TAKING OUT THEIR FRUSTRATION. AND, AND IN SOME WAYS THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTIVE. AND SO MAYBE, AND, AND I PROBABLY WILL ENLIST SOME BETTER MINDS THAN MINE IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING THIS, BUT, BUT THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO GET COMPLIANCE AND DRAW PEOPLE'S AWARENESS TO THIS WITHOUT, IF FIVE 50 KACHINA REALLY WAS A PROBLEM TO HAVE THEM MOVE INTO, WELL MY NEIGHBORS JUST CALLED TOO MUCH. THAT'S A LOST OPPORTUNITY. UM, AND SO TO REALLY APPROACH THIS IN A WAY THAT GETS A MESSAGE ACROSS AND THE EXPECTATION ACROSS, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIVE AND NOT JADED. UM, AND I KNOW I I, A LOT OF MY SUGGESTIONS I KNOW ARE KIND OF SHOOTING FOR THE MOON, BUT EVEN IF WE GET HALFWAY TO THE MOON, WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD. SO THAT, I JUST WANNA ADD THAT AS A THOUGHT. THANK YOU THERE. COUNCIL, DO, SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU. THIS IS A, IT'S A TOUGH PROBLEM. THE STATE DOESN'T HELP, UM, AND JUST MIGHT GET WORSE DEPENDING ON WHAT LAWS ARE GONNA GET PASSED. BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IN SEDONA WE HAVE SUCH A HIGH COMPLIANCE AND THAT YOU GUYS WORK REALLY HARD, UM, AT MAKING SURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE NOT, UM, AS IMPACTED AS THEY POSSIBLY COULD BE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY FIRST THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND YOU'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY FOR ME, BUT IT'S ONE THAT CIRCULATES TO THE COMMUNITY QUITE FREQUENTLY, UM, IN MANY DIFFERENT GUISES. AND THAT IS AROUND WHO ACTUALLY OWNS, UM, THE SDRS. LIKE WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE REALLY LOCAL OWNERS VERSUS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, CORPORATE OWNERS OR WALL STREET OWNERS. AND I REALIZE IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU CAN GO, YOU CAN GO LOOK AT A MILLION YOUTUBES AND THE YOUTUBES. I'LL SAY THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS BECOME AN LLC SO THAT YOU'VE LIMITED THE LIABILITY SHOULD ANYTHING GO AWRY. SO I GET THAT. SO I JUST THOUGHT PERHAPS IF YOU COULD SORT OF EXPLAIN HOW DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE OR HOW EASY IT WOULD BE OR WHAT YOU COULD DO TO TRY AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF STRS ARE ACTUALLY OWNED AND PROVIDING INCOME TO LOCAL INDIVIDUALS AS OPPOSED TO NON-LOCAL INDIVIDUALS. WELL, A FIRST SORT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY. UM, IF IT, THERE ARE, I'VE SEEN IT QUITE A NUMBER OF SEDONA RESIDENTS WHO OWN 1, 2, 3, AND SOME OF THEM FOUR OR MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND SO RUNNING THAT REPORT AND JUST COLLECTING THE MAILING ADDRESSES FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTING THEMSELVES AS OWNERS, THAT WOULD BE EASY. THE, ONCE WE GET INTO LLCS, IT'S MORE CAMOUFLAGED IN TERMS OF, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE AT LEAST TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO DO A SEARCH UNDER THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION AND FIND OUT WHO, IF, IF THEY HAVE AN LLC IN THEIR SEDONA RESIDENCE, THE ADDRESS IS GONNA PEG BACK TO A SEDONA ADDRESS AND IF THEY HAVE AN LLC AND IF IT'S OUTTA STATE OR AND IF IT'S ANOTHER PLACE. SO THAT COULD BE KIND OF A, A REAL BASIC SCREENING. AND THEN, [03:35:01] YOU KNOW, I MAY LOOK FOR IDEAS OF DRILLING DOWN DEEPER, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN AT LEAST BEGIN THAT PROCESS. AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND YOU GIVE DIRECTION TO DO THAT, I WOULD CERTAINLY UNDERTAKE THAT. WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR COUNCIL, BUT I CAN SAY THAT I HAVE HEARD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UH, EXPRESS ON BOTH SIDES. EITHER WE'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY, IF WE LIMIT SHORT TERM RENTALS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY INCOME FROM LOCALS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WALL STREET OWNS SEDONA. SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF CONCEPT FEELS ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO GENERATE AS A CITY A REPORT. I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT REPORT WOULD REALLY GAIN, BECAUSE WE CAN'T LIMIT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, KURT, THAT WE CAN'T LIMIT WHO BUYS THEM AND WHO RUNS THEM. SO NO, IT'S JUST INFORMATIONAL. IT'S JUST INFORMATIONAL SO THAT YOU CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE FCRS IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE OWNED BY PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY VERSUS NO, UM, THEY DON'T LIVE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT. IT'S JUST INFORMATIONAL. IT HAS NO TIES TO ANYTHING ELSE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HOW TIME CONSUMING I WOULD BE ON THERESA, WHO'S A, A TEAM OF ONE, BUT DOES A TEAM OF, DOES THE WORK OF 10. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH YOUR TIME SCHEDULE, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANNETTE WANTS YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO, UH, AND YOU HAVE THE TIME, THAT WOULD, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE DIRECTION FROM ANNETTE. THE, THE BEST TIME TO DO IT WOULD BE OVER THE SUMMER MONTHS. 'CAUSE IT, THAT'S, WE'RE THROUGH MOST OF THE RENEWALS, THE BIG CRUSH OF RENEWALS AND THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO TRICKLE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THIS PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE CALL ME, I NEED TO RESPOND TO THEM. SO PART OF THE, THE CHALLENGE IS JUST THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN GOING FROM A PROJECT TO CUSTOMER SERVICE TO PROJECT CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND AS WE GET SLOWER, UM, FOR SUMMER, THAT THAT IS MORE POSSIBLE THAN IT IS PROBABLY IN THE FIRST SEVEN MONTHS OF THE YEAR. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE TIMELINE. WELL I THINK WE, WE WOULD ALL LIKE THE INFORMATION. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT OVERLOAD, SO. ALRIGHT, WELL LET ME, LET'S DO THIS. I WILL DO THE INITIAL REPORT 'CAUSE I CAN PULL THAT INFORMATION WITH A MONTHLY, WHEN I DO MY MONTHLY REPORTS 'CAUSE I'M DELIVERING ADDRESSES AND MAILING ADDRESSES TO CALM DEV AND TO WASTEWATER. AND SO THAT INITIAL PIECE IS ALREADY GENERATED. IT'S THE RESEARCH ABOUT WHERE THE LLCS ARE TRACED BACK TO AND YOU KNOW, I CAN TALK TO KURT OR OTHER PEOPLE AND MAYBE THERE'S A BEST PRACTICE THAT IS SOMETHING MORE TIME EFFECTIVE THAN MY JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOKING UP LLCS IN THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION. RIGHT. THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY TO ACCESS THAT INFORMATION AND IT WOULDN'T HURT ANYTHING FOR ME TO LOOK INTO THAT. SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR. I MEAN, THIS HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE AGREED UPON BY FOUR MEMBERS OF OUR COUNCIL RIGHT. WITH DIRECTION TOWARDS THE CITY MANAGER WHO WILL THEN ASK YOU TO DO THE WORK. CORRECT. UM, I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO DO ANY WORK. I WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF THE WORK. MM-HMM. , RIGHT. SO I JUST, FOR ME, THIS HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST FOUR OF US AGREE WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SHOULD THEREFORE GO AHEAD AND, AND MOVE ON AND GIVE THE DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER. OKAY. SO AS WE CONTINUE DOWN THE, UH, WELL YOU WANNA JUST DO A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN NOW TO SEE IF NO. OKAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER, BUT I, I'M JUST ASKING, I I I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHERS WOULD LIKE THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING INFORMATION. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE TIME TO TAKE FROM THE STAFF WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UM, IN AGREEMENT. I'LL JUST SAY YES OR NO, JUST YES OR NO. I JUST MAKE A COMMENT ON, ON THAT IDEA IS THAT I THINK THAT ANNETTE HAS, I WOULD NOT WANT TO GIVE ANY DIRECTION WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT OTHER THINGS WERE BEING DONE. I MEAN THAT IT, IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR US TO DIRECT ANNETTE ON SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. SHE HAS MAYBE OTHER PLA I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THAT'S WHY IT GOES, IT GOES TO A NET TO DECIDE. RIGHT. SO I, I WOULDN'T WANNA DO A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN. OKAY. EVEN AFTER EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO TALK. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. I THINK I ASKED YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION ONCE ABOUT WHO ARE THE LLCS? YOU GAVE ME A CURSORY YEAH, PROBABLY A CURSORY, BUT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE, BUT IT WAS A, IT WAS A GAUGE. RIGHT. WELL, AND, AND THAT CAN HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS THE NEXT MONTHLY REPORT. SO THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE STUDY, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE RESEARCH. IT'S, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS EITHER THE BUSINESS IS AN LLC OR IT'S NOT. AND [03:40:01] I WILL GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU IN THE NEXT REPORT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M ALREADY COLLECTING AS FAR AS DATA GOES. SO EASY TO THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. I I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO KNOW IT EXACTLY. NO, I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO. BUT YEAH, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. MAYOR. UM, AND COUNSEL, UM, IT'S JUST THE PART OF DRILLING DOWN ON WHO ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE LLC IS WHAT I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, WHICH I WOULD DEFINITELY THINK WOULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME DEPENDING ON HOW THEY COME OUT IN THE REPORT. SO YEAH. BUT IF WE JUST DO THE SIMPLE SPLIT OF YEAH, THE SUMMARY LEVEL BY LLC IS, THAT'S EASY. THAT'S, LET'S WHEN YOU GET, WE GET DOWN TO, YOU CAN ASK. SO I, IT WAS ABOUT 300, IT WAS ABOUT 300 AS OF JANUARY WHEN WE LAST CHECK COUNTED THE LLCS OUT OF THE 1100 WERE OWNED BY LLCS. THAT DIDN'T COUNT TRUST. THERE WERE, UH, MANY PEOPLE OWNED BY FAMILY TRUST, BUT THAT DIDN'T SEEM RELEVANT AT THE TIME. OKAY. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IT'S PROBAB, I DON'T KNOW WHO IT'S FOR. CODE ENFORCEMENT, KURT, STEVE, THERESA, TONY, SOME TALKATIVE TONIGHT. THE CHIEF. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT'S FOR, BUT OKAY. WE GOT THREE CITATIONS IN THIS ONE PER ONE PERSON, ONE OWNER, OWNER UNIT. SOON TO BE THREE. HMM. WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THREE YET. IT'S IN PROCESS. OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE EMBARKING WHEN IS THE, THAT'S THE THIRD VIOLATION IN A YEAR. SO WHEN DO THEY GET REVOKED? SO THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. SO THERE'D BE NOTHING REVOKED, BUT THEY'LL BE PROHIBITED FROM GETTING A PERMIT FOR THE NEXT ONE YEAR. OKAY. FOR ONE YEAR. ONE YEAR. AND THAT COULD HAPPEN VERY SHORTLY. UH, YEAH, IT SHOULD BE HAPPENING ANY DAY I BELIEVE. AND AND THERE'S, I MEAN WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. WE'D BE OUR FIRST LIKE STAKE IN THE GROUND. RIGHT. EFFECTIVE SHOULD BE A NEWS STORY THAT WOULD HELP WITH YOUR COMPLIANCE. WELL I AM, UH, UP FOR WRITING THE NEXT RED ROCK NEWS ARTICLE. WELL I'M THINKING OF PRESS RELEASE NEWS, NEWS STORY SO THAT IT, YOU KNOW, GETS INTO THE NEWS SECTION, NOT THE SECTION WHERE PEOPLE SAY, OH, THAT'S A COLUMN FROM THE CITY. I CAN, I DON'T HAVE TO READ THAT . RIGHT, RIGHT. SO YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE INTERESTING? I MEAN WE ALL KNOW FIVE 50 KACHINA 'CAUSE 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE POLICE BLOTTER ON A REGULAR BASIS. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO TALK TO THE OWNER. I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THIS INFORMATION CHIEF, BUT IS IT THE SAME NEIGHBORS EVERY SINGLE TIME MAKING A REPORT OR LIKE ONE NEIGHBOR? BECAUSE EVERY TIME THEY GO OUT THERE, AT LEAST IN THE SUMMARY THAT WE READ, THEY TELL 'EM TO STOP THE NOISE AND THEY USUALLY COMPLY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY CITATIONS AT THAT ADDRESS, BUT THAT ADDRESS WE CONSTANTLY SEE YOU GUYS ARE GOING OUT THERE. SO I CAN TELL YOU THERE HASN'T BEEN A CITATION BECAUSE LIKE I WAS SAYING, MOST OF THEM ARE HANDLED WITH THE ONE TIME AND THERE'S ONLY TWO OR THREE PLACES THAT HAVE HAD A SECOND VISIT ON A GIVEN DAY. UM, SO I ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT A CITATION THAT'S BEEN ISSUED TYPICALLY. AND WE COULD LOOK AT IT, WHETHER THE COMPLAINT CAME IN THROUGH, YOU KNOW, HER SYSTEM OR IT CAME STRAIGHT TO THE PD, WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT TO SEE WHO THE COMPLAINANT WAS. UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME TONIGHT. RIGHT. BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT OUT, OUT OF ALL OF OUR NOISE COMPLAINTS, THE PORTION THAT ARE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, ONLY 50% OF THOSE ARE FOUNDED TO HAVE NOISE THAT WE CONTACT SOMEBODY. SO EVEN IN THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVE THAT WE CAN PUT TOWARDS SHORT-TERM RENTALS, 50% OF THOSE ARE NOT FOUND TO BE A VIOLATION. SO WE DON'T EVEN MAKE CONTACT WITH THE PERSON AT THE HOME BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE SITTING THERE AND LISTENING AND OBSERVING, WE'RE NOT FINDING ANY VIOLATION. MM-HMM. . SO BRIAN, YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF ASKING MOST OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD. SO MAYBE IT'LL BE SHORTER AS WE GO DOWN THE LINE, BUT, BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE SEX OFFENDERS. DO WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN WHETHER AIRBNB OR ANY OTHER PLATFORM ACTUALLY PERFORMS THE CHECK? NO, WE DO NOT. IT DEPENDING ON WHO YOU TALK TO AT THE COMPANY, I'VE HAD OWNERS CALL AND TELL ME THAT THE PERSON ON THE TEAM THAT THEY'VE SPOKEN TO SAYS THEY DON'T DO IT. I'VE HAD OWNERS CALL AND TELL ME THE PERSON THEY'VE SPOKEN TO SAY THEY DO DO IT SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, THEY DO SOME FORM OF SCREENING BECAUSE I DID HAVE AN OWNER CALL ME AND SAY, AIRBNB JUST FLAGGED SOMEONE WHO BOOKED [03:45:01] A TIME WITH ME AND NOW I HAVE TO TELL THEM THEY CAN'T RENT. AND SHE WAS WORRIED ABOUT THAT AND SHE SAID, CAN THE CITY DO THAT? AND I SAID, NO, WE CAN'T. AND I DID REMIND HER THAT IT'S, IT'S LIKE A REVOCATION OF A PERMIT TO HOST A SEX OFFENDER SCREENING. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT LEADS TO ANOTHER KIND OF LINE OF THOUGHT, WHICH IS WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THESE MEETINGS, WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR OWNER EDUCATION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE GETTING FLAGGED AND, AND YOU, YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO TELL THAT PERSON NO. AND YOU KNOW, I, WE CAN'T ENFORCE THAT. WE CAN'T GO IN PEOPLE'S COMMUNICATIONS. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GETTING, AS MY HUSBAND'S A FOOTBALL FAN AND HE TALKS ABOUT THE HEAD GAME . AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD GET INSIDE PEOPLE'S HEADS AND, YOU KNOW, REINFORCE IF YOU'RE GETTING THAT, UM, YOU, YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO, TO NOT DO THAT. SO YOU DON'T HOST THAT PERSON. SEE, I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN'T GET SOMETHING ON THE RECORD, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THE LEAGUE COULD HELP US WITH? BECAUSE IT IS AN ISSUE ACROSS ALL THE CITIES AND TOWNS WHEN THE, THEY WERE ADOPTING A LAW TWO YEARS AGO, AIRBNB EXPRESSED THAT THEY DO BACKGROUNDS, SEX OFFENDER BACKGROUND CHECKS ON GUESTS. SO THAT WAS THE LAST WE HEARD OFFICIALLY FROM AIRBNB. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY CHECK IN AGAIN. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE DOING. OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, NOW YOU HAVE A QUESTION. I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT LLCS. IF THE ISSUE IS THAT RESIDENTS WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY ARE LL I, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE LLCS IS ABOUT WHAT ARE OUTSIDE INVESTORS THAT ARE BUYING. AND IF LLCS ARE INCREASINGLY OBTAINED BY INDIVIDUALS AND BY TRUSTS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT EVEN GETTING THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO DO EXCEPT, UH, RESIDENTS WILL ASSUME THAT IF IT'S AN LLC, THAT IT'S AN OUTSIDE INVESTOR. AND I MEAN, I I JUST THINK THAT, I'M NOT SURE THAT DATA TELLS US WHAT THE ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS, SO I'M NOT, NOT SO SURE. THAT MAKES A MOST AMOUNT OF SENSE TO ME TO SORT OF RELY ON THAT. IT JUST TELLS YOU THAT PEOPLE WANNA PROTECT THEMSELVES. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? AND I DON'T KNOW A QUESTION. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO KNOW IF THE, I WILL JUST REPHRASE IT. WILL, IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN FROM LLCS IF IN FACT, INDIVIDUALS AND TRUSTS DO IT AS WELL? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE GONNA LEARN? JUST THAT THEY'RE LLCS. UM, NOTHING, THERE'S NO SURMISES THAT WE CAN REALLY DRAW BEYOND THAT. THANK YOU. WAIT A MINUTE. OKAY. ARE YOU GOOD? I'M PERFECT. I'VE HEARD THAT. COUNCILOR FURMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS REMAINING. BRIAN DID A GOOD JOB. I'VE GOT MORE. SO THANK YOU THERESA, JUST STARTING FROM THE START TOP OF YOUR PRESENTATION, 97% IS A GREAT NUMBER. I FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THAT. AND YOU, YOU ARE DOING, UH, YEOMAN'S WORK, BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST OF THE REGISTRATION PROCESS OF THE KNOWN PROPERTIES, RIGHT? THAT 97% IS A GOOD SORT OF REGISTRATION COMPLIANCE NUMBER. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND? I I HAD THE SAME COMMENT THAT, UH, COUNCILOR FOLTZ HAD ABOUT GOOGLE. SO HOW DOES, IS IT GOBOS THAT HELPS US SCRAPE THE DATABASES OR WHATEVER AND THEY INFORM OUR COUNT OF, OF THESE THE WAY GOBO GOBOS IS OUR MECHANISM AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SCRAPE THE WEBSITES. AND I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THEM I THINK SOMETIME LAST YEAR IN TERMS OF THEY HAVE A FINITE NUMBER OF WEBSITES THAT THEY SCRAPE. AND THE CRITERIA FOR THAT IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME PROBABLY SINCE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS LOOKED FOR APARTMENTS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK FOR APARTMENT WEBSITES, A LOT OF TIMES A SINGLE BUSINESS WILL ADVERTISE AN APARTMENT FOR SALE AND THEN OTHER WEBSITES WILL PICK THE SAME AD UP. SO THEY'RE NOT RUNNING THEIR OWN ADS, THEY'RE JUST CAPTURING OTHER BUSINESSES PRIMARY AD AND, AND WHAT GOBOS DOES IS [03:50:01] TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ADVERTISEMENTS THEY'RE CAPTURING ARE THE PRIMARY ADS. SO IF, UM, YOU KNOW, LOCAL MOM AND POPS ARE JUST REF FEATURING ON THEIR LITTLE BUSINESS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT BUSINESS, THEY'RE FEATURING THE ADS THAT AIRBNB IS RUNNING, GOBOS IS NOT GOING TO SCRAPE THOSE WEBSITES BECAUSE THEY CAN GO BACK TO THE SOURCE. YEAH. NOW THAT'S NOT TO SAY WHEN COUNCILLOR FOLTZ TALKED ABOUT GOOGLE, I WILL BE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH GOBOS TO, TO DO THAT RESEARCH. AND I THINK IT'S PRUDENT AS MORE PLAYERS JOIN THE GAME THAT WE IDENTIFY IT, IT ACTUALLY TERRIFIES ME THAT GOOGLE'S GONNA GET INVOLVED IN THIS, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BIG AND THEY'RE SO PERVASIVE AND THERE'S NO ONE TO CALL. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT IS IT THEY'RE DOING. ARE THEY REALLY GOING TO BECOME A BROKER SITE LIKE AIRBNB? 'CAUSE AIRBNB SUPPLIES THE SOFTWARE SO AN OWNER CAN SIGN UP WITH AIRBNB AND AIRBNB WILL HELP 'EM TAKE PHOTOS OF THEIR PROPERTY AND MARKET THAT OWNER'S PHOTOS. SO IT'S A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP. AND THEN AN OWNER CAN, UM, USE AIRBNB'S SERVICES FOR BOOKING. SO THEY'RE NOT HANDLING THE MONEY DIRECTLY. AND AIRBNB MAKES SURE THE TAXES ARE COLLECTED AND YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ABSORB SOME OF THE RISK AROUND COMMUNICATION AND AS WE'VE SAID IN THEORY THE SCREENING PROCESS. UM, SO I'LL BE REAL CURIOUS AS TO WHAT GOOGLE WILL DO. UM, AND IN IN THAT TERM, AND INTERESTINGLY, AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST A TANGENT IN, IN ANECDOTAL, BUT I KNOW SOMETIME LAST FALL THE COUNCIL SHARED A NUMBER OF ARTICLES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE NEW YORK CITY PASSING THE LAW THAT YOU HAD TO LIVE ON SITE AND UM, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES TRYING TO STAND UP FOR THINGS. AND ABOUT THAT TIME I HAD A CALL FROM AN OWNER WHO WAS REALLY ANGRY BECAUSE HE HAD HOSTED A DIFFICULT GUEST AND IT WAS AN AIRBNB GUEST AND HE KNEW AND EXPECTED THAT THE GUEST WAS GOING TO PROVIDE A REALLY POOR RATING OF THEIR SERVICES JUST BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON THE CHEMISTRY WAS AWFUL. BUT WHAT IS NOT SO OBVIOUS IS AIRBNB OWNERS OR HOSTS ARE ALSO ALLOWED TO RATE GUESTS. AND SO THEY GOT THE RATING THEY EXPECTED FROM THEIR GUESTS AND THEY WENT AND MADE AN HONEST RATING OF THEIR GUEST. AND WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE AIRBNB SITE, WHAT THEY SAW WAS THAT THEIR RATING HAD BEEN DINGED. THEY DROPPED WHAT A 10TH OF A POINT OR WHATEVER. AND, AND THAT THE RATING OF THEM WAS PUBLISHED ACCURATELY WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE RATINGS FOR THE GUEST. 'CAUSE APPARENTLY IF YOU'RE A HOST YOU CAN ALSO EVALUATE YOUR GUESTS. AND THE GUEST HAD FIVE STARS AND THIS OWNER WAS REALLY UPSET. SO HE CALLED AIRBNB AND WHAT HE WAS TOLD BY A MANAGER WAS, AS A GUEST, UNLESS YOU HAVE THREE BAD VISITS IN A ROW, YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY RATED AS FIVE STARS. CORRECT. AND HE WAS VERY UPSET BECAUSE THE PROTECTIONS FOR OWNERS WASN'T THERE. CORRECT. I'VE HEARD THAT. UM, THERE'VE BEEN OTHER STORIES I'VE HEARD FROM OWNERS WHO HAVE FOUND IT REALLY CHALLENGING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FIT THE MOLD. THEY HAD CIRCUMSTANCES THAT CAME UP AND MADE LIFE DIFFICULT AND AIRBNB WAS NOT FUN TO WORK WITH. SO IT MAKES ME WONDER IF THE MARKET'S CHANGING AND WHAT GOOGLE THINKS THEY CAN OFFER AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS IS, THIS IS GOING, BUT I WILL MAKE IT MY BUSINESS TO FIND OUT. YEAH. CER CERTAINLY THE MARKET'S CHANGING SOME AND AIRBNB HAS TAKEN LOTS OF HITS ABOUT THEIR, HOW THEY DO BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNERS AREN'T NECESSARILY HAPPY WITH THEM EITHER. AND AND I, I WORRY THAT GOOGLE AND I, THERE ARE OTHER EXISTING INDEPENDENT OPERATORS THAT AREN'T AIRBNB AND, AND AND, UH, VRBO AND OTHERS. AND SO I'M JUST INTERESTED THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO LOOK FOR THESE THIRD PARTIES. SO MY NEXT QUESTION REALLY IS ABOUT, UH, YOU HAD SAID PAGE SEVEN IN YOUR, UM, PRESENTATION ABOUT MEETING WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS. DO HOW MANY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY MANAGERS YOU'VE ACTUALLY REACHED AND WHAT PERCENT OF THE RENTAL UNITS THEY REPRESENT IN TOWN? I HAVE, I HAVE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH 15 OF THEM. AND WHAT I DID THIS TIME AROUND WAS PICK THE LARGEST ONES THAT I HAD CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS A, A GOING CONCERN AS PROPERTY MANAGERS. AND, [03:55:01] UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO KIND OF INFORMALLY MANAGE TWO TO THREE RENTALS AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PICK UP A FEW EXTRA BUCKS FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS THIS NEXT ROUND OF MEETINGS IS DRILLED DEEPER, UM, WITH THE, THE OTHER PERHAPS LESS ORGANIZED PEOPLE WHO ARE INFORMALLY PROPERTY MANAGING. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MANY OF THOSE? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND 40% OF SEDONA SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE UNDER PROPERTY MANAGER. UM, HOW MANY OF THOSE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES ARE HERE? UM, THE, THE 15. THAT WOULD BE THE 15 THAT I, THAT I KNOW OF THAT YOU KNOW. SO YOU'VE TRIED TO REACH OUT ALL OF THE PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT YOU KNOW. YEAH, I ACTUALLY HAD REALLY GOOD LUCK. UM, THIS LAST ROUND OF MEETINGS. I HAD 14 OF THE 15 ATTEND AND UM, I'VE BEEN KIND OF POKING AT THE 15TH ONE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT VERY RESPONSIVE AND I'LL BE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO REACH THEM. UM, AND IT, I I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT AND JUST PRAISE PROPERTY MANAGERS BECAUSE THEY REALLY, THERE WAS A, AND COUNSELOR FO KNOWS ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS A COMPLAINT ON MAY 4TH AND, AND ONE OF THE PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT MANAGED THAT PROPERTY, IT WAS A NOISE COMPLAINT AND HE ON HIS OWN, WHILE HE WAS GOING TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE, ALSO CALLED THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE POLICE. SO HE CALLED THE POLICE IN AND THE PROPERTY MANAGER TO SHUT THIS DOWN. AND TO ME THAT'S A REASON TO CULTIVATE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH PROPERTY MANAGERS IS TO RECOGNIZE THEIR EFFORTS. THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY MANAGER BACK IN 2021 WHEN WE REALLY STARTED LOOKING AT ISSUES AND TRASH ISSUES WERE JUST PROLIFIC. IT WAS LIKE EVERY WEEK PEOPLE WERE HAVING TRASH SPILLS AND A LOT OF TRASH SPILLS. AND THE PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH AT THAT TIME MADE IT THEIR BUSINESS TO REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO PREVENT THAT AND EDUCATE THEIR OWNERS AND THEIR GUESTS. AND WE HAD A DRAMATIC DROP IN THE TRASH SPILLS. IN FACT, WHAT, WHEN WE SEE SURGES IN TRASH SPILLS, WHAT I'M CONVINCED OF IS THOSE ARE NEW OWNERS AND THEY HAVEN'T LEARNED YET. UM, BUT THE, THE PROPERTY MANAGERS REALLY MAKE AN EFFORT 'CAUSE 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO OPERATE IN SEDONA. AND, UM, I HAD ANOTHER PROPERTY MANAGER OFFER TO, WHEN I WAS TALKING IN MY MEETINGS WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS ABOUT, UM, OWNER EDUCATION AND THIS PROPERTY MANAGER IS INVOLVED WITH ARIZONANS FOR RESPONSIBLE TOURISM AND, YOU KNOW, SAID WE MIGHT EXPLORE WAYS THAT THEY COULD BRING THEIR RESOURCES IN TO HELP EDUCATE OWNERS. UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, THESE ARE JUST IDEAS, BUT, UM, THERE'S AN INVESTMENT THERE IN, IN HELPING THE CITY BEING HAVE COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU. UH, I'M, GO BACKTRACK JUST REAL QUICKLY. ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT ABOUT 10% MAYBE OPERATORS HERE IN TOWN OR OPERATING INVISIBLY TO YOU. DO YOU HAVE A BASIS FOR THAT 10% ESTIMATE? WELL, I DON'T. OKAY. UM, IT'S A, IT'S AN EDUCATED GUESS BECAUSE THE ONE PERSON THAT I WAS ALERTED THAT WAS USING THE COUCH SURFING WEBSITE PROBABLY ISN'T THE ONLY ONE. AND I ALSO KNOW I'VE HEARD COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY CUSTOMER BASE AND I JUST CONTACT THEM THROUGH EMAIL AND THEY RENT FROM ME AND I JUST HAVE A SMALL BASE AND THEY'RE REPEAT CUSTOMERS. AND I, FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD CAPTURE THAT. BUT, UM, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SOMEONE WILL KIND OF COME AND MEET WITH ME AND KIND OF ACT A LITTLE COCKY AND, AND TELL ME THAT THEY KNOW OF THINGS THE CITY'S NOT CAPTURING. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIMITS TO WHAT WE CAN DO. BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO BE OPEN IF, IF AT SOME POINT THERE'S SOME BANDWIDTH FOR CHECKING SOME OF THESE OTHER SITES. KURT HAS INDICATED TO ME THAT IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND TALKS LIKE A DUCK AND ACTS LIKE A DUCK, IT'S A DUCK. AND THAT WE COULD REGULATE EVEN THE COUCH SURFING, UH, RESIDENCES AS SHORT TERM RENTALS. I JUST, I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THAT ON RIGHT NOW. BUT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S INFORMATION THERE. SO BACK TO SORT OF THE GO GO OS STUFF THAT THEY'RE NOT, MY QUESTIONS REALLY ARE ABOUT HOW DO WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE REPORTING THEIR TAXES? IS IT, DO WE RELY ON THE STATE FOR THAT TO GIVE US THE REVENUE? YOUR REGISTRATION PROCESS THAT YOU OUTLINED FOR US TODAY DOESN'T CONNECT TO WHETHER PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY [04:00:01] PAYING THE TAXES. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, YOU'RE CORRECT. UM, AT THIS POINT WE DON'T, UM, I KNOW FLAGSTAFF DOES CHECKING ABOUT WHETHER THE TPT LICENSE MATCHES WITH THE OWNER THAT'S GETTING THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT FLAGSTAFF CAN VERIFY THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING THEIR TAXES, BUT THEY'RE DOING THAT EXTRA STEP OF VALIDATION. AND QUITE HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER INVOLVED PROCESS. UM, I DO, I WILL TELL YOU, I GET CALLS FROM OWNERS WHO SAY THEY WANNA PAY THEIR TAXES AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW. AND AGAIN, ARIZONANS FOR RESPONSIBLE TOURISM IS A GREAT RESOURCE. UM, THEY ARE AN OWNER ADVOCACY GROUP, BUT THEY'RE ALSO AN OWNER EDUCATION GROUP. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CPAS THAT I HAVE REFERRED PEOPLE TO WHO'VE BEEN WILLING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNERS. SO I'VE PROBABLY REFERRED A COUPLE DOZEN PEOPLE TO THOSE CPAS AND, AND ONE OF THEM IS ASSOCIATED WITH ARIZONANS FOR RESPONSIBLE TOURISM. I DID HAVE ONE BRAVE SDR OPERATOR HERE IN TOWN APPROACHED ME AND LET ME KNOW THEIR STORY OF IT JUST SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS. THEY THOUGHT AIRBNB WAS PAYING THE TAXES. THEY GOT A LETTER FROM THE STATE SAYING THAT TAXES WERE OWED AND IT WAS OVER A EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY HAD TO PAY ALL THE TAXES. THEY HAD TO PAY SOME PENALTIES. BUT IT WAS A, I I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT DURATION, BUT IT WAS OVER A YEAR IN DURATION OR THEY WEREN'T PAYING THEIR TAXES, WE WEREN'T GETTING THE NUMBERS. AND SO, AND I ALSO, I WONDER AT TIMES WHETHER THERE'S A COUPLING HERE ABOUT WHO'S PAYING THEIR TAXES IN YOUR LIST OF PLACES AND WHETHER THAT'S ANOTHER WAY FOR YOU TO VALIDATE YOUR DATABASES BY USING WELL THERE'S, THERE'S ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, WHICH IN SOME WAYS I WANNA CALL FOLK TALES. AND ONE OF THE FOLK TALES IS AIRBNB DOES SCREENINGS. ANOTHER FOLK TALE IS AIRBNB COLLECTS TAXES FOR OWNERS AND REMITS THEM UNDER AIRBNB'S TPT LICENSE. AND I DON'T, I I I DON'T HAVE THE, AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO HOW TO TELL PEOPLE TO DO THIS 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD HAVE THE LIABILITY OF US EXPLAINING HOW THEY SHOULD DO THESE THINGS. MM-HMM. . BUT I KNOW THAT, UM, WHEN WE FIRST LAUNCHED THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROGRAM, THE INFORMATION I HAD WAS THAT IF YOU WERE WORKING WITH AIRBNB AND YOU HAD A TPT LICENSE, THE STATE WOULD STILL SEND YOU A RETURN AND YOU HAD TO BE ABLE TO REFERENCE WHATEVER AIRBNB DID ON YOUR RETURN AND SEND IT BACK. SO IF YOU WERE JUST ASSUMING AIRBNB PAID YOUR TAXES AND YOU DIDN'T RESPOND TO THE TAX RETURN THAT THE STATE SENT YOU, YOU WOULD GET HIT FOR THAT TAX BILL. AND I, I WONDER IF THAT PERSON, I THINK THAT PERSON GOT CAUGHT ON THAT LOOP. YEP, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. TURNING TO, UH, JUST SEE IF I CAN WRAP SOME OF THIS UP, UH, TONY, YOU HAD SAID THAT WAS REFERENCED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF YOUR TIME THAT YOU SPLIT YOUR SHORT TERM RENTAL ENFORCEMENT WITH OTHER STUFF. WHAT'S THAT SPLIT? HOW MUCH OF YOUR TIME IS SHORT TERM RENTALS OR IN YOUR TEAM? WELL, IT COMES IN WAVES. I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD PUT A NUMBER ON IT. IT JUST, UH, WHEN WE DO GET THE WAVES OF CITATIONS, IT'S, IT'S TIME CONSUMING. SO I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S, IT'S NOT OVERWHELMING, BUT IT DOES TAKE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. 'CAUSE WE WANNA, UH, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE THE CASES THAT WE CITE GET DISMISSED ON TECHNICALITIES. SO IT'S, UM, I'D HATE, I'D HATE TO PUT A PERCENTAGE ON IT, MAYBE 25%. HMM, OKAY. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S A GOOD ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND YOU THEN ALSO ATTEND COURT SESSIONS AS WELL IF THEY GET THAT FAR, IS THAT RIGHT? IF, IF THE COURT REQUIRES THIS? YES. UM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN MY SHORT TIME HERE IS, UH, MOST OF THE CASES GET, UH, ADJUDICATED, UH, MEANING THAT THEY DEFAULT, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE REPEAT OFFENDERS. THEY JUST DON'T SHOW UP TO COURT AND GET A DEFAULT JUDGMENT. HMM. COUNSELOR, IF I COULD ADD SOMETHING, UM, THAT 25% MAY BE, UH, RELATED MORE TOWARDS THE PERMITTING PROCESS, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER, UH, CASES THAT TONY AND STAN WORK ON, UH, SUCH AS LIGHTING, SUCH AS TRASH, SUCH AS, UM, COME UP WITH SOME SOMETHING ELSE THAT ARE RELATED TO STR. UH, AND MANY OF THOSE, UH, MAY NOT BE KNOWN AT THE TIME. SO THAT ESTIMATE PROBABLY CAN BE EXPANDED. YES. THANKS. THANKS STEVE. UH, YEAH, WE GET A LOT OF, IN FACT PROBABLY THE HIGH PERCENTAGE OF OUR, OUR TRASH COMPLAINTS USUALLY END UP BEING AN STR, UM, WEEDS, DIFFERENT STUFF LIKE THAT THAT'S, YOU [04:05:01] KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S AN STR BUT IT'S TOUGH TO PUT A PERCENTAGE ON THAT, I GUESS TO TRACK ALL THAT. IS YOUR, I I GET THAT IT'S KIND OF CYCLICAL HARD TO JUST SIT THERE AND COME UP WITH A NUMBER. I IS YOUR WORKLOAD INDICATORS, ARE YOU TRACKING TIME BOTH ON SOME OF THIS ENFORCEMENT STUFF AND THE TRASH ISSUES DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN STRS AND NON-ST IT'S FUNNY YOU BRING THAT UP BECAUSE, UH, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION TODAY FOR, UH, UH, IN, UH, UH, TRYING TO PREPARE, UH, FOR THE MEETING. AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS FOR NEXT BUDGET YEAR, BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC ON SOME OF THOSE WORKLOAD INDICATORS. YES. COOL. NICE. LET'S SEE HERE. ON PAGE 18, THERESA, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT YOUR GOALS. UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN YOUR BUDGET, BUT NOT IN THIS PRESENTATION. I JUST WANNA CHECK IN WITH YOU ABOUT THAT GIS MAPPING OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL LOCATIONS AND WHERE MY HEAD IS GOING IS, CAN WE CROWDSOURCE PERHAPS SOME LOCATIONS OF, OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT YOU MAY, MAY BE ESCAPING THE SYSTEM SOMEHOW? IF, IF WE HAD A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE GIS MAP AND THE NEIGHBORS COULD EASILY SEE, I, IT'S ONE THING TO GO THROUGH A SPREADSHEET AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE DOES THAT. I HAVEN'T EVEN DONE THAT FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IF I HAD A MAP THAT POPPED UP AND I COULD SEE THE STREETS THAT I WALK OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVED IN, HEY WAIT, THERE'S A DOT MISSING HERE AND THEN GET A HOLD OF YOU. THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO CROWDSOURCE AND, AND GET YOU MORE RESOURCES FOR IDENTIFYING WHERE THEY ARE. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. UM, I I THINK, AND KURT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT PART OF LIKE, IF, IF WE WERE GONNA CITE PROPERTIES FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ACTIVITY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED IS EVIDENCE. AND, AND SO WE, IT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IDENTIFYING PROPERTIES AND, AND LOOKING FOR THINGS, BUT ULTIMATELY IN TERMS OF LIKE ANY KIND OF ENFORCEMENT, IT WOULD COME DOWN TO CAN WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF, OF THAT ACTIVITY? SURE. AND UM, I, I THINK YOU KNOW, THAT OUR RESIDENTS, IT, IT'S AN INTERESTING POSITION FOR ME TO BE IN BECAUSE I REALLY RESPECT OUR RESIDENTS FRUSTRATIONS AND YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS ME LIVING NEXT TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UM, I PROBABLY NEED CAPS ON ALL MY TEETH AND A MOUTH GUARD AT NIGHT. UM, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE A LOT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT I SEE OPERATE IN INTEGRITY AND I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO MOVE US TOWARDS SOMETHING WHERE THESE THINGS CAN BE RESOLVED AS COMMUNITY AND I, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THERE, BUT IT MIGHT BE A REALLY NICE COMMUNITY BUILDING ACTIVITY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT SAY AND IDENTIFY THINGS AND, AND KNOW THAT THE CITY IS FOLLOWING UP ON THEM. AND ANOTHER WAY FOR US TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIVE, UM, SCOTTSDALE HAS AN INTERACTIVE MAP AND WE HAVE KIND OF THE STATIC SPREADSHEET WITH THE DOTS AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SCOTTSDALE AND SAY, HEY, HOW DO YOU DO THIS? AND, AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM, AND THAT THAT COULD BE A NICE, UM, A NICE INTERACTIVE, MY BRAIN IS SCREAMING OPEN THE FLOOD GATES, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT. AND THEN ALSO RELATIVE TO YOUR GOALS AND WHAT I RECALL IN OUR BUDGET SESSIONS ARE IS STILL ON YOUR LIST TO DO A NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD PERHAPS ESTIMATE OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL DENSITY? IT IS. THAT WAS, UM, ONE ENTIRE RENEWAL SEASON AGO AND I'M, I'M COMING UP FOR AIR NOW AND UM, IF IT, IF IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY DONE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING IT. IF IT REQUIRES MORE CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, I CAN TALK TO ANNETTE AND IF THERE NEEDS TO BE COUNCIL DIRECTION ON IT BECAUSE OF THE RESOURCES INVOLVED, THEN UM, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, WHAT NOT. UH, IS THERE SOMEPLACE THAT WE CAN GO NOT DISCUSS TODAY? THIS WAS REALLY ABOUT YOUR ACTIVITY, WHICH IS MOSTLY FOCUSED AROUND THE REGISTRATION STUFF. OF COURSE COREY AND THE TEAM ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT HOW MANY CALLS FOR SERVICE WE'VE GOT OR HOW MANY, UH, HOTLINE CALLS THERE'S BEEN AND WHAT'S THE RESOLUTION RATE OF THE HOTLINE CALLS. AND SO THIS OTHER SET OF DATA ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING AS A COMMUNITY RELATIVE TO SDRS, IS THERE A ANOTHER TIME THAT YOU'LL TALK ABOUT THAT OR IS THERE ANOTHER WAY FOR ME TO SEE THAT KIND OF DATA? I WOULD BE WILLING TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS IT. UM, GOBOS HAS VERY LITTLE REPORTING. IT'S KIND OF LIKE JUST THIS BIG SPREADSHEET DATA DUMP OF WHO CALLED WHAT'S A [04:10:01] COMPLAINT AND WHAT'S THE TIME AND WHAT DID THE HOTLINE DO. SO I THINK IT IS ONE OF MY METRICS, UH, TO REPORT, UM, IN TERMS OF BUDGET METRICS ON COMPLAINT RESOLUTION AND, AND HOW WELL COMPLAINTS, HOW FAST DO WE RESPOND. AND TONY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AND YOU KNOW, WE, IT SOUNDS LIKE BASED ON SOME OF STEVE'S COMMENTS, WE COULD BENEFIT ON TRACKING THAT, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THAT CAREFULLY AND NOT ADD SOMETHING WE CAN'T SUSTAIN. SO, UM, THAT IS ONE OF MY GOALS TO WORK WITH IT THIS YEAR. AND YOU KNOW, I, IN MY PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING, IT WAS IN MY MIND TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME BASIC, UM, COMPLAINT STATISTICS AND, UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET TO THAT, BUT, BUT YES, I, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO START TRACKING THAT JUST 'CAUSE IT'S PART OF PERFORMANCE METRICS. OKAY. A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS PERHAPS. ONE. FIRST ONE IS, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO, AND AND WE'VE PROBABLY ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE ANSWER, TO PUT IN SOME TYPE OF, UH, PREMISE INSPECTION CODE INSPECTION AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS. QUESTION, CAN YOU, UM, REQUIRE AN INSPECTION OF THE PREMISES TO RECEIVE A PERMIT IN ARIZONA? SO YOU SEE ILLEGAL CONVERSION STUFF THAT DOESN'T, UH, COMPLY WITH OUR CODE AND, RIGHT. SO, UH, NO, WE CAN'T, IN SHORT THE, THE STATE LAW, AND THEY ONLY HAVE TO FILL OUT A, THE FORM AND GIVE US THE ADDRESS AND LOCATION AND THEY'LL GET A PERMIT. THERE'S ONLY, WE'RE LIMITED IN WHY WE CANNOT GIVE A PERMIT. IF WE HAVE ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL OF A POTENTIAL VIOLATION BUILDING WITHOUT A PERMIT, THEN WE CAN SEEK AN ADMINISTRATIVE SEARCH WARRANT AND THEN, UH, GO INSPECT IT. IF WE, IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT COUCHED IT TO LARGER, ANY TYPE OF RENTAL OPERATION, WHETHER IT'S LONG TERM OR SHORT TERM, NON-DISCRIMINATORY, COULD WE IMPLEMENT SOME TYPE OF NO DIFFERENCE? WE ARE STILL GONNA NEED THAT REASON TO GO INTO, UNLESS THEY'RE GONNA VOLUNTARILY LET US, THEN WE'RE GONNA NEED A REASON TO ENTER THE HOUSE. THANK YOU. AND THEN RELATIVE TO THE NOISE VIOLATIONS, IS THERE, IS IT ALSO POSSIBLE FOR US TO REQUIRE ONSITE MONITORING? WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE GOOD OPERATORS HAVE ONSITE MONITORING EQUIPMENT, SO THEY'VE GOT SOME DATA. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE THAT ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS DO? I THINK WE'D PROBABLY NEED TO REQUIRE IT ON ALL RESIDENCES THEN ALL RESIDENTS, UNLESS WE COULD ARTICULATE THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY REASON THAT IT NEEDED TO BE ONLY ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND THEN ALSO RELATIVE TO NOISE VIOLATIONS. WE, IF THE, IF THE POLICE GET CALLED FOR A NOISE VIOLATION AND THERE IS A NOISE VIOLATION, AND, AND ALTHOUGH YOU'VE SAID WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T ISSUED TICKETS FOR NOISE 'CAUSE UM, THERE'S BEEN NO THIRD CALLBACK. BUT IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, IF THAT EVER SHOWED UP, THAT TICKET GETS ISSUED TO OTHER PEOPLE MAKING NOISE. IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S NO IMPLICATION TO THE OWNER OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. CORRECT. IT'D BE WHOEVER THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY IS AT THE HOUSE. SO ISN'T IF THERE WAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER THAT SOME GUESTS HAD A NOISE PROBLEM ONE WEEK, AND THE NEXT WEEK ANOTHER NOISE PROBLEM OCCURRED AT THE SAME RESIDENCE, UH, AND THEN ANOTHER TIME, TWO MONTHS, A MONTH LATER AT THAT SAME RESIDENCE. SO IT, IT, IT WOULD INDICATE TO ME THAT THERE'S A LACK OF SCREENING PROBLEM THAT THE OPERATOR IS HAVING WITH THEIR GUESTS. IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN CITE THAT SO THAT NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE MAKING THE NOISE TAKE A HIT, BUT IF THERE'S A REPEATED PRO PLACE AT ONE, UH, UH, HOUSE THAT THE, THE OWNER OPERATOR GETS A HIT FOR DOING THAT? I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DIRECT CONNECTION, UH, BASED ON THE LAW, THE WAY THE LAW IS WRITTEN. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK I WOULD START HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT OWNER AND DOCUMENTING CONVERSATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, IT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE LAW SCREENS OWNERS FROM THAT IMPLICATION AND, YOU KNOW, UNLESS SOMEBODY GOT A LOT OF TICKETS OR A BIG TICKET OR SOMETHING AND KIND OF SAID, YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, THE OWNER IS, IS TELLING ME I COULD DO THIS, AND THEN WE'D HAVE AN INVESTIGATION. BUT OTHER THAN THAT THERE, KURT, YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD. YEAH, SO COUNCILLOR FURMAN, I THINK YOU HAVE, IF IT, IT ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF A NUISANCE, WE COULD HIT THE OWNER THAT WAY. SO IF IT WAS REPEATED, I DON'T KNOW IF THREE TIMES IN THREE MONTHS, UH, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, LIKELY IT'D HAVE TO BE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE. OTHERWISE WE'RE NEED SOME TYPE OF HOOK, UH, LIKE THERESA'S MENTIONING SOMETHING TO TIE IT BACK [04:15:01] TO THE OWNER. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND SHE MONITORS THE, THE ADVERTISEMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF IT WAS SHOWN AS A PARTY HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ADVERTISE THAT WAY, THAT WOULD POSSIBLY GIVE US THE, THE ANGLE WE NEEDED. ALL RIGHT. LAST QUESTION FOR THIS SESSION. AND IT GOES TO OUR CITY MANAGER. WE'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER IN OUR PEOPLE, UH, IN THE CITY RELATIVE, UH, TO THE REQUESTS THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE ABOUT PROVIDING THIS COUNCIL IN OUR, IN OUR, OUR RESIDENTS WITH, UH, A BETTER BREAKOUT OF WHERE THE TAX DATA IS COMING FROM. MM-HMM. AND, AND THE, UH, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING THE TAX. AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CONVINCE OUR STAFF TO DO THAT BEFORE, BUT WE'VE GOT NEW STAFF. AND IS THAT SOME REQUEST THAT WE CAN RENEW WITH YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN GET SOME PROGRESS ON THAT? AND IS SCOTTSDALE STILL POST IN THERE, UM, MORE INFORMATIVE TAX RECEIPT DATA? DO WE KNOW? I I DON'T KNOW IF SCOTTSDALE'S DOING IT. UH, WE ARE STILL HAVE BEEN TOLD BY ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE THAT WE CANNOT, SO WE HAD A, OUR FINANCE MANAGER WHOSE SENSE OF PROFESSIONAL OBLIG ETHICS PREVENTED HER FROM DOING THAT. WE HAVE NEW PERSONNEL AND I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN REVISIT THAT, THAT THOUGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FURMAN AND MAYOR JALO. UM, I, SINCE I WAS NOT HERE WHEN THAT DISCUSSION HAPPENED, I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT AND EDUCATE MYSELF DIRECTLY, UM, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. UM, AND ONCE THE NEW FINANCE DIRECTORS ON BOARD, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT. UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TONIGHT. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE HERE. THANK YOU. COUNSELOR KINSELLA. THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL, THERESA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, 97% COMPLIANCE RATE IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE. YOU'RE A DEPARTMENT OF ONE, A NEW DEPARTMENT, AND THIS IS REALLY, I THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU DO PROVIDE. UM, I WANNA, I HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT POINTS THAT I HAD. I HAVE, WELL, I HAD A LONG LIST OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO CUT SOME OF THEM OUT AND I CAN CONDENSE SOME OF THEM. BUT I DO WANNA START WITH, UH, FOLLOWING UP ON THE POINT THAT WAS JUST RAISED BECAUSE YOU HAD ASKED MAYOR FOR US TO OPINE ON WHERE WE WERE ON WANTING THE REPORT ON THE LLCS. AND I THINK THIS TIES IN TO COUNCILOR FURMAN'S POINT BECAUSE WOULD THE, WOULD US, KNOWING THE NUMBER OF LLCS POINT TO THOSE BEING UNIQUE OPERATORS, MEANING THAT IT WOULD SHOW THE HIGHER, IF WE HAD THAT INFORMATION, WE WOULD KNOW THAT THERE WAS MORE THAN, WHAT WAS IT, LIKE 10 OR SOMETHING THAT RESTRICTED THE INFORMATION? SO I THINK THAT THE GETTING THE LLC REPORT WOULD HELP US MAKE THE CASE TO GET THE TAX REVENUE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR. SO BASED ON THAT AS WELL AS, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO HAVE. I, I WOULD SUPPORT IF THE CITY MANAGER THINKS THAT THERE IS TIME, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS TO HAPPEN FROM HER STAFF COMING FROM, UH, JOANNE'S DEPARTMENT HERE. I, I, I WOULD, I DO THINK THAT THERE COULD BE NUMEROUS WAYS THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL INFORMATION. UM, THAT BEING SAID, LET'S GO ON HERE. THE, UM, I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF THE RANDOM SAMPLE AS WELL BECAUSE I THINK IT PUTS EVERYBODY ON NOTICE THAT THEY HAVE TO BEHAVE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA BE CALLED OR NOT. IT GOES BACK TO GRADE SCHOOL, UM, TACTICS, I LIKE IT. UM, BUT MY QUESTION TO THAT HAS TO GO TO THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OPERATORS, THE, THE PROPERTY MANAGERS. AND THANK YOU FOR CULTIVATING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE MORE YOU CULTIVATE IT, THE MORE PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE IS EXPECTED. AND GIVEN, I MEAN THESE, THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS AND RECOGNIZING THAT BUILDS COLLABORATION. SO I, I THANK YOU. BUT OF THE MANAGERS THAT YOU MET WITH, UM, THE MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA START IN JUNE, I KNOW THERE ARE 15 THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, BUT IS IT OPEN TO ALL OPERATORS? SO THE MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT YOU HAVE, IS IT GO, WOULD THEY BE LIMITED TO THE PROFESSIONAL OPERATORS OR WOULD IT INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S OPERATING A PROPERTY MAYBE TO A CASITA AND AN EXTRA ROOM OR WHATEVER ON THEIR HOUSE? I WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO TRY THAT. I WOULD SAY THE ONLY LIMITATION THERE IS THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT OF IT YET. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, UM, A REALLY NICE EXPERIENCE FOR AN OWNER TO BE PART OF A MEETING WITH A BUNCH OF HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL, RESPONSIVE PROPERTY MANAGERS AND SEE HOW THEY SET THE BAR AND, AND BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND, UH, PROBABLY GAIN A LOT OF INFORMATION IN A DISCUSSION. UM, [04:20:01] SO THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA. UM, AND AGAIN, I, I THINK PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WEAR SO MANY HATS IN OUR LIVES AND THERE MAY BE SOLUTIONS, BUT WE LEAVE THEM TO OTHER PEOPLE SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE TIME. I CAN ONLY WEAR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HATS, BUT OPENING THE MEETINGS UP TO, UM, AND ONE OF OUR REALLY GOOD PROPERTY MANAGERS IS IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, UH, ONE OF THE FAITHFUL WHO'S HUNG OUT AND WAITED. UM, BUT IF, IF THE GOAL IS TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS AND CULTIVATE A MORE EDUCATED OWNER POPULATION, UM, THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE, AND, AND I DON'T, I, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF WE GOT A STAMPEDE OF OWNERS, BUT, BUT OPENING THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND, AND WELCOMING THEM, UM, AND CLEARLY BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS ONE CONVERSATION AT A TIME. I KNOW THERE'S A REALLY, UM, VOCAL POWERFUL, SEVERAL VOCAL POWERFUL OWNER GROUPS ON LIKE FACEBOOK OR NEXT DOOR AND THEY INFORM EACH OTHER AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THROUGH COMMUNICATION AND UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD IDEA. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR BEING OPEN TO THAT. YEAH. UM, I'M GONNA SKIP AROUND 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA FORGET TO COME BACK TO THIS QUESTION. THE, THE, AND THIS MIGHT GO TO KURT AS WELL, THE THREE TIMES, UM, CITATION PERSON THAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? OR IS ANTICIPATED TO HAPPEN, WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM GETTING A PERMIT. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? BUT SO WHAT, SO THEY KEEP OPERATING WITHOUT A PERMIT? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS THERE? THANK YOU. LEFT THE MIC. THANK YOU. SO, SO LIKE WE STATED BEFORE, WE COULD CITE THEM, BEGIN TO CITE THEM DAILY, AND IT'D BE A, A $3,500 FINE EACH DAY. OKAY. THANK I I, OKAY. I WANTED YOU TO LEAVE THAT TOGETHER. IT COULD ALSO BECOME A CRIMINAL CHARGE, UH, WHICH WOULD LEAVE 'EM OPEN TO JAIL TIME. PROBATION. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, WE DID ASK BEFORE ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'S BEING DEDICATED TO COMPLAINTS. YOU SAID IT WAS ABOUT 25% OF YOUR TIME, BUT THERESA, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR, BECAUSE YOUR FLOW CHARTS HAD HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO DO A PERMIT, A RENEWAL AND A COMPLAINT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU'RE BREAKING DOWN IS, IT'S BEEN MORE PERMITS I GUESS BECAUSE OF THE CYCLE. RIGHT. BUT GENERALLY, OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, NOW THAT YOU'VE HAD TO EVALUATE, HOW MUCH OF THE TIME IS PER IS COMPLAINTS VERSUS PERMITS AND PERMIT RENEWALS FOR YOU? SOME OF IT DEPENDS ON TIME OF YEAR. MM-HMM. . SO DURING PERMIT RENEWAL SEASON PERMIT RENEWALS, UM, BECOME THIS, IT'S LIKE A STADIUM FULL OF WILD PEOPLE. UM, AND, AND SO THEY WOULD TRUMP ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS. IT, IT, SO MY, WE HAVE THE LAW, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES A SEVEN BUSINESS DAY TURNAROUND ON ALL PERMITS. AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS I HAVE TO RESPOND WITHIN SEVEN BUSINESS DAYS. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO APPROVE, BUT IF SOMEBODY'S MESSED UP THEIR TPT LICENSE, I HAVE TO GET A RESPONSE TO THEM SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, SO I EITHER HAVE TO, TO ME CONTACTING SOMEONE SAYING, YOU CAN'T RENEW YET 'CAUSE YOU NEED TO FIX YOUR TPT IS A TEMPORARY DENIAL, BUT IT'S A DENIAL, UM, OR APPROVE. AND SO I WOULD SAY FROM, FROM LIKE MID-DECEMBER THROUGH END OF MARCH, THAT, YOU KNOW, PERMIT RENEWALS ARE, AND NEW PERMITS ARE PROBABLY 10 TO ONE IN TERMS OF MY TIME. UM, THE COMPLAINTS CAN TAKE ANYWHERE FROM, YOU KNOW, JUST A, A COUPLE HOURS TO MOVE THROUGH THEM. AND IF THEY'RE NOISE COMPLAINTS, WE, I WILL RECORD THE POLICE REPORT THAT ACCOMPANIES THE REPORT AND MAKE NOTE OF THAT. UM, IF THERE ARE TRASH SPILLS, I WILL, UH, RESPOND TO PASS THE INFORMATION ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. MM-HMM. AND, UM, I, I MENTIONED IN THAT SPREADSHEET I CREATED FOR COUNCIL TODAY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHEN, UM, THE HOTLINE WILL MAKE A CALL TO SOMEONE, THE EMERGENCY CONTACT AND THE VOICEMAIL BOX IS FULL. OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS WHERE PROPERTY MANAGER'S UNACCOUNTABLE AND I REACH OUT TO THEM IMMEDIATELY. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A TYPED EMAIL OR IF GOBOS HAS FLUBBED THE, THE COMPLAINT, THEY IMMEDIATELY GET AN EMAIL FROM ME. BUT ON AVERAGE, I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, COMPLAINTS [04:25:01] PROBABLY TAKE MAYBE 20% OF MY TIME AT THE MOST. OKAY. AND, AND DURING THE SLOWER SEASONS, IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN THAT JUST BECAUSE COMPLAINTS DROP OFF. AND I'M HOPING, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OWNERS WANT US TO CITE THINGS OR RECOGNIZE THINGS THAT THE CITY CAN'T GET INVOLVED IN. AND SO I'M HOPING TO GENERATE MORE ONGOING EDUCATION FOR PEOPLE ON HOW TO USE THE HOTLINE BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAPPENS. AND THAT GOES AROUND THE COMMUNITY AND THEN THEY STOP USING THE HOTLINE AND THEY START GOING THROUGH CITY SOURCE OR CONTACTING CODE DIRECTLY. SO THERE'S A KIND OF AN UP AND DOWN TRUST OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE HOTLINE. AND, AND IT'S TRUE THAT THERE'S LIMITS TO WHAT THE CITY CAN DO. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT I'M HOPING TO BE ABLE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE, UM, AND, AND IT CAN BE USED MORE EFFECTIVELY. THE REASON I'M GOING DOWN THAT LINE IS, IS 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SUPPORT YOU'RE GONNA NEED GOING FORWARD. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY A HEARING ADMINISTRATOR, WHICH WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, I KNOW WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT, BUT ALSO THIS, THESE 300, UM, ADDITIONAL PERMITS, IF ONCE YOU CLARIFY THE INFORMATION, UH, THAT IT'S REQUIRED PER OPERATION, NOT PER ADDRESS, THAT'S ANOTHER, BY MY ESTIMATION, 450 HOURS WORTH OF WORK ON YOU. SO HOW CAN THAT BE ABSORBED? WELL, I, IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNNOTICED BY THE COUNCIL THAT SOMETIMES, UM, REPORTS ARE EARLIER IN THE MONTH AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE REALLY LATE. AND DEPENDING ON HOW BUSY IT IS, SOMETIMES THEY'RE MOVED TO THE NEXT MONTH. UM, IT, IT'S INTERESTING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AFTER LISTENING TO THE BUDGET DISCUSSION , THAT, THAT STRUCK ME. I I KNEW THIS QUESTION MIGHT COME BECAUSE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROCESS IS SO CYCLIC. IF I WERE TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK WOULD BE BEST PRACTICE, IT'S, IT WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO IS PART-TIME HELP, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE THE SAME PERSON BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE WHOEVER I TRAIN A LONG TIME TO LEARN, BECAUSE THE THINGS THAT I WOULD SHARE ALL DECISIONS, AND THEY REQUIRE THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE THINGS. IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEBODY, KAREN QUI CAN HELP ME UPDATE THE EMERGENCY CONTACT LIST. AND WHAT SHE DID WAS WORK IN MUNI REVS AND CORRECT PHONE NUMBERS AND CORRECT OWNER NAMES SO SHE COULD DO ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS. BUT, AND, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS HELPFUL. THAT WAS WORTH MY TIME. BUT IF I WAS REALLY GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TURN OVER, LIKE EVALUATING COMPLAINTS OR APPROVING PERMITS, THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN. AND, UM, KAREN OSBORNE WAS REALLY KIND, AND WHEN I WAS GIVING MYSELF BALD PATCHES THIS LAST YEAR WITH PERMIT RENEWALS, SHE OFFERED TO GET ME TEMPORARY HELP, BUT A TEMP DOESN'T HELP BECAUSE THEY'D BE HERE SHORT TERM AND THEN THEY'D BE GONE. AND BY THE TIME THEY WERE LEARNING WHAT WAS NEEDED, THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE NEEDED. SO IT'S, I, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHO COMES AND GOES AT THE CITY. UM, BUT IN, IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOMEONE WITH BANDWIDTH IN THEIR JOB WITH THE APTITUDE TO LEARN SOME OF THIS TO MAYBE BE A FUTURE OPPORTUNITY. AND I'M ALSO A CHEERLEADER FOR HR AND FOR EMPLOYEE DEVELOPMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE WE CAN GIVE SOMEONE SOME ENCOURAGEMENT TO WORK WITH THIS AND LEARN. AND THEY COULD BE LONG TERM HELP AS NEEDED, YOU KNOW, AND ON THE SLOW TIMES, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH. OR MAYBE THAT GIVES ME BANDWIDTH WITH A PART-TIME PERSON TO TAKE ON SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS. UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ASK ME COULD I USE HELP, THE ANSWER IS YES. BUT I, I WANNA BE MINDFUL EVEN DOING THE SPREADSHEET FOR YOU TODAY, THERE'S A WAY TO QUANTIFY IT. BUT THESE ARE ALL AVERAGES BECAUSE EVERY CONVERSATION IS DIFFERENT. EVERY PHONE CALL IS DIFFERENT. SOME OF THEM ARE FIVE MINUTES, SOME OF 'EM ARE 20 MINUTES. UM, AND IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, TO ME, IT'S NOT ETHICAL TO PAD THAT JUST TO HAVE MORE HELP. UM, SO YES, I, I COULD USE SOME ASSISTANCE, UM, AND THERE ARE WISER MINDS THAN MINE WHO COULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK [04:30:01] AT THE MECHANICS OF THE CITY AND MAYBE FIND AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IS EFFICIENT AND IS, UM, THE BEST USE OF THE CITY'S FUNDS. OKAY. I'M ONLY THREE MORE QUESTIONS. UM, THE INFO THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING BE, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEND OUT TO THE REALTORS, WOULD THAT INCLUDE YOU, YOU WANTED TO DO IT TO JUST CLARIFY, UM, THAT A PERMIT DOESN'T TRANSFER? IS THAT WHAT YOU, THE MAIN MESSAGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT AND, AND TO AGAIN, TALK ABOUT, UM, CODE REQUIREMENTS. 'CAUSE I'VE RUN INTO PEOPLE WHO THE REALTOR'S TELLING THEM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THREE UNITS I CAN PERMIT THIS. AND IT'S LIKE, OH, NO, YOU CAN'T. IF, IF YOUR PROPERTY'S NOT ZONED APPROPRIATELY, THE MAXIMUM IS TWO UNITS. AND, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE KITCHEN. AND, YOU KNOW, SO TO GET AHEAD OF THAT, THOSE REQUIREMENTS WITH THE REALTORS, AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE PEOPLE CALLING ME SAYING, YOU KNOW, I HEARD SEDONA CAN ONLY HAVE 2000 PERMITS. CAN I BE ONE OF THEM? AND SO I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST THIS WHOLE SERIES OF FOLK TALES THAT CIRCULATE THROUGH THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY. AND, UM, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO GIVE EACH OF THE REALTORS A BOX OF THOSE BROCHURES, THE GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURES, AND, AND OPEN THAT DIALOGUE AND HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT PROPERTIES, BE TALKING TO REALTORS WHO KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS AND, AND WHERE WE ARE. AND I DON'T, I DON'T EXPECT THE REALTORS TO HAVE THE SAME RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY AS THE PROPERTY MANAGERS DO. BUT I, I THINK THAT THERE CAN BE BETTER INFORMATION. UM, SO I, AND I THINK THAT'S WORTH DOING. I THINK THE MORE EDUCATED, OUR ENTIRE POPULATION THAT WORKS WITH SEDONA IS THE BETTER CHANCE WE HAVE FOR BETTER COMPLIANCE. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE CLARIFICATION, UM, THAT IT SEPARATELY REQUIRED PER UNIT, NOT PER ADDRESS. CORRECT. AND THEN, AND THEN THE NO TRANSFER? YES, THOSE ARE THE MAIN MESSAGES. OKAY. YES. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND THIS IS A CODE ENFORCEMENT QUESTION, I THINK IS, IS HOW DO WE ADDRESS OCCUPANCY LIMITATIONS? LIKE A HOUSE HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN LIVE IN IT, WE'RE TREATING THESE, OR THE STATE IS FORCING US TO TREAT THESE LIKE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. BUT SOMETIMES THE OCCUPANCY IS OVER WHAT A HOUSE COULD ABSORB. SO HOW IS OCCUPANCY BEING TREATED? WE, WE DON'T HAVE OCCUPANCY LIMITS. WE DON'T. SO A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE AND 20 PEOPLE LIVING IN IT. CORRECT. SO WE DON'T ENFORCE THOSE. WE'VE, SOME CITIES HAVE ATTEMPTED TO ENFORCE THOSE, BUT THEY'VE, UH, IT'S NOTORIOUSLY HARD. UM, SOME CITIES HAVE HAD MORE, UH, LUCK ENFORCING, LIKE FAMILIAL RELATIONSHIPS, MAKE SURE THEY'RE RELATED ALONG THOSE LINES. BUT THEN THOSE HAVE BEEN STRUCK DOWN. IT'S A, IT'S A AREA OF FRAUGHT WITH A LOT OF LEGAL CHALLENGES. OKAY. I, I HAVE HAD QUESTIONS FROM PROPERTY MANAGERS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE THE LIMITS. AND I'VE BEEN CLEAR WE CAN'T LEGALLY REQUIRE THAT. AND I'VE KIND OF SAID, YOU KNOW, A RULE OF THUMB FOR STAYING OUTTA TROUBLE WITH A PARTY IS, UM, KIND OF ANECDOTALLY HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN THE PROPERTY SLEEP? AND THEN HALF AGAIN THAT MUCH. BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE, WE WOULD ENFORCE, WE CAN'T ENFORCE. BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE MY WISE INFORMED OPINION. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL IT IS. AIRBNB IT AT 16 MM-HMM. , UM, FOR A PROPERTY, IT'S A BIG NUMBER. . OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THE ANSWER. IT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER, BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, IT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER, BUT THANK YOU. WELL, AND AND I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT'S WHY RELATIONSHIPS ARE SO POWERFUL THAT RIGHT, EXACTLY. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE GET PEOPLE WHO WANNA COMPLY AND WANNA COMMUNICATE AND WANNA WORK WITH US. AND IT'S, IT'S BOTH OUR WEAKEST TOOL AND OUR MOST POWERFUL TOOL BECAUSE DESIRING TO COMPLY AND, AND THE GOODWILL OF, OF THOSE WE WORK WITH IS, IS A LOT. RIGHT. IT'S MORE THAN WE HAVE IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT. RIGHT. AND MY, MY LAST QUESTION, UH, COMES, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PROACTIVE PROPERTY MANAGER WHO REPORTED THE NO NOISE COMPLAINT TO THE OWNER. THAT'S GREAT. BUT ON A NOISE ISSUE, WHEN, AND I THINK THIS GOES TO THE CHIEF, WHEN THE POLICE DO RESPOND ON THOSE RARE OCCASIONS WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO OUT A SECOND TIME, IS THE PROPERTY MANAGER NOTIFIED OF THAT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE PEOPLE AT THE, AT THE LOCATION AND THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE UNDER THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. BUT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER NOTIFIED THAT, HEY, WE HAD TO GO OUT FOR A SECOND CALL HERE, THERE'S AN ISSUE AT YOUR PLACE. 'CAUSE I THINK GETTING THE PROPERTY MANAGERS INVOLVED AT THAT LEVEL MIGHT HELP CUT DOWN. SO THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW [04:35:01] HOW IT'S TREATED AND IT'S A SUGGESTION, A QUESTION AND A SUGGESTION. YEAH. SO, UM, IF WE'RE GOING OUT THAT BRIEFING THAT YOU REFER TO, THAT YOU LOOK AT, THERESA ALSO GETS, SO WHEN SHE SEES THAT SHE FOLLOWS UP, AH, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY DO THAT, ESPECIALLY, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S AFTER HOURS. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT TYPICALLY THERESA GETS THAT REPORT AS WELL AND SHE'LL DO THE FOLLOW UP AND OKAY. I HAVE NOT BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING I CAN, I CAN DO. AND, AND SINCE WE'RE, AGAIN, I'M HAVING RESOLUTION METRICS AS PART OF MY BUDGET REPORTING, UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S MANAGEABLE TO LIKE CALL LIKE EVERY OWNER AND FOLLOW UP ON THOSE COMPLAINTS. BUT BECAUSE I HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH PROPERTY MANAGERS AND A GOOD DIALOGUE, THAT FEEDBACK, I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW. AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THEY KNOW. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN THIS IS A WAY TO GET THEM IN THE LOOP ON THAT IN A WAY THAT'S CONSTRUCTIVE FOR THEM. SO YES, I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU GOOD? MM-HMM, . THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S TRY TO FINISH THIS UP. UM, A LOT OF MY, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED, UH, AND ANSWERED, UH, I HAVE A FEW LEFT. SO IF THERE'S A WEDDING WHICH ARE NOT ALLOWED OR AN EVENT ON A WEEKEND AND PD COMES AND THEY ADDRESS IT AND IT HAPPENS, I THINK RARELY, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN, UH, WELL, THEY, THEY FILE A REPORT OR THE DAILY BOLTON THAT GOES TO AN, UH, THERE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD KNOW. OR DO THEY WRITE A SUMMONS OR MAKE ANY KIND OF OFFICIAL REPORT MEMORIALIZING THE, UH, THE ISSUE. SO IF IT'S A NOISE COMPLAINT AND LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S JUST HANDLED ON THAT ONE TIME. RIGHT. THEN TYPICALLY IT'S JUST A CAD NOTE IN OUR SYSTEM. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE DOCUMENT. IT'S NOT A FULL BLOWN REPORT. UM, THAT WOULD GO TO, IF A CITATION WAS ISSUED, WE WOULD DO THAT. RIGHT. BUT BEING ON THE OCCASION OF A WEDDING OR BIG EVENT, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A VIOLATION. SHOULD THIS BE SOMETHING MORE DONE? WELL, THE CHIEF HAS OFFERED THAT HER OFF, HER OFFICERS COULD TURN ON THEIR BODY CAMS AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT RECORD EVIDENCE. AND THEN THAT EVIDENCE WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO MYSELF AND CODE AND WE WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITATION. OKAY. SO THEY, IS THAT, IS THAT THE POLICY YOU INSTITUTED WITH THE OFFICERS OR SOMETHING? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A POLICY, BUT THAT'S A DIRECTION AT OUR NEXT SUPERVISOR MEETING THAT AFTER, SINCE WE SPOKE, JUST TO, UM, ASK FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE IN IT BECAUSE IT REALLY HELPS DOCUMENT IT. SAME FOR, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAVE A, A HOME THAT WE KNOW THAT IS LIKELY TO DO THAT, THEN WHAT I'VE ALSO TOLD THERESA IS HAVE THAT COMPLAINANT VIDEO IT AS WELL. IT'S, IT'S NO DIFFERENT IF WE CAN HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE ON THAT VERSUS REPORTING IT THREE DAYS LATER WITH NO EVIDENCE CAPTURED. SO WHICHEVER WAY THAT WE COULD DO THAT, IF WE'RE CALLED TO IT AND WE'RE ABLE TO, TO VIDEO IT, THEN YES. I, I SPOKE WITH HER AND SAID THAT, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, I'LL ADVISE EVERYBODY THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD WORK TOGETHER TO DO THAT. OKAY. UM, SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS TO KURT FOR DEFAULT JUDGMENT. I THINK, UH, TONY MENTIONED THAT THERE SOMETIMES THAT THE, UH, THE OWNER DOESN'T SHOW UP AT COURT AND THE COURT RENDERS A DEFAULT JUDGMENT. THEN WHAT HAPPENS? I DON'T THINK THAT WAS MENTIONED. DO THEY THEN SEND OUT A PROCESS SERVER? YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOTIFIED OF THE, THE DEFAULT JUDGMENT AND THEN THE FINE. UM, AND GENERALLY THE COURT'S PROCESS WOULD BE TO SEND THEM TO COLLECTIONS TO COLLECT THE FINES. OKAY. AFTER A CERTAIN TIME THEY HAVEN'T PAID. SO IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE RULES THAT SAY ON THOSE INSTANCES THEY GET SUSPENDED ON THEIR, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT OR NO, NO. YOU STILL NEED EITHER ONE VERIFIED VIOLATION OF THE EXTREME TYPE, THE SPECIAL EVENT, THE, YOU KNOW, UM, HAVING A SEX OFFENDER AT THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL, ET CETERA. OR YOU NEED THREE VERIFIED VIOLATIONS. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU SHOW UP AT COURT OR NOT. OKAY. AND THEN ALSO KURT, UH, THE FEE IS $200, CURRENTLY WITH A MAX OF TWO 50. THE SALARIES HAVE GONE UP FOR THE STAFF AND EVERYBODY ELSE. IS THAT ALLOWED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS TO RAISE THE FEE TO TWO 50? YEP. SO I DON'T, UH, KNOW THAT IT WOULD GET US ALL THE WAY TO TWO 50 RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, WITH EVEN JUST COST OF LIVING CPI, WE COULD TACK IT TO THAT. WE WENT THROUGH A CAREFUL ANALYSIS THE FIRST TIME AND IT CAME OUT TO LIKE, IT WAS ACTUALLY LIKE $204 AND WE JUST ROUNDED DOWN TO 200. UM, AND SO CERTAINLY, AND THAT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL DURING THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE PROCESS, WHICH BEGINS IN APRIL. UM, IT'S ADVERTISED FOR 60 DAYS, OR I'M SORRY, AUGUST BEGINS IN AUGUST, ADVERTISED FOR, UM, 60 DAYS. AND THEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL [04:40:01] IN NOVEMBER TO TAKE EFFECT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, JANUARY ONE. OKAY. SO IF THERESA AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, A, A FEE INCREASE, YOU'LL SEE IT THEN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AGAIN, ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED. SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, PORTION. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, IF THEY COULD JUST KEEP THE NOISE DOWN IF, UH, CAMERON WILD IS ANYWHERE HERE. IT'S YOUR TURN, DEAR. KEEP CHECKING IT OUT. GOOD. CAMERON, YOU KNOW THAT THE DRILL, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TALK WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND IT'S ALL YOURS. I HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE OR TWO BECAUSE IT'S JUST ME. UH, NO SIR. NOT AT, UH, NINE 30 AT NIGHT. OKAY. THREE MINUTES. I HAVE SOME ANSWERS TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, CAMERON WILD. I LIVE IN SEDONA AND I RUN OUR VACATION RENTAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY, WILD VACATION RENTALS, WHICH CURRENTLY MANAGES 35 RENTALS. UM, THANK YOU TO THERESA FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATION. UM, WE'VE REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU. UH, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT YOU'RE MAKING TO REACH OUT TO PROPERTY MANAGERS AND I HAVE TO SAY THERESA DOES A GREAT JOB BEING VERY RESPONSIVE AND AND HELPFUL TO ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. THE PINCH DEFINITELY COMES IN THAT RENEWAL PERIOD IN THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR. UM, IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IN TOUCH AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS IT IS SORT OF A TIME SENSITIVE THING. SO FIGURING OUT A WAY TO EITHER SPREAD OUT THOSE RENEWALS OR UM, ADD SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF AND DURING THAT PERIOD WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. UM, THE OWNER OPERATOR MEETINGS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO INCLUDE HOMEOWNERS, UM, THAT ARE JUST MANAGING ONE OR TWO OF THEIR OWN RENTALS. UM, I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE SOME REAL USEFUL DIALOGUE THERE BETWEEN PROPERTY MANAGERS AND, AND JUST INDIVIDUAL OWNERS. UM, AND THEN EDUCATING REALTORS AS WELL. UM, I, MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH REALTORS AND WHEN WE HEAR ALL THE TIME, UM, FROM REALTORS THAT ARE NOT AWARE OF LIKE THE, THE UNIT RESTRICTIONS AND, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MARKET A HOME AS HAVING THREE UNITS OR, UM, A GARAGE APARTMENT THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY A, A LEGITIMATE USE. UM, SO LOTS OF GREAT, GREAT IDEAS THERE. UM, ON THE GOOGLE VACATION RENTALS, MY UNDERSTANDING OF GOOGLE IS, IT'S JUST THE SAME THING AS GOOGLE HOTELS. SO THAT LISTING HAS TO BE ON SOME OTHER PLATFORM FOR IT TO BE ON GOOGLE. GOOGLE IS NOT HOSTING VACATION RENTAL LISTINGS, UM, ON THE TPT REPORTING, AIRBNB VRBO, UM, AND JUST ABOUT ALL CASES THEY DO IN FACT COLLECT AND REMIT TAXES ON BEHALF OF OWNERS, BUT THOSE OWNERS HAVE TO GO FILE A TPT RETURN STATING THAT REVENUE. UM, ONLY IN LIMITED CASES ARE OPERATORS ACTUALLY COLLECTING TAXES IF THEY'RE DOING DIRECT BOOKINGS. UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST AN EDUCATION THING FOR, FOR OPERATORS. UM, COUNSELOR DUNN ASKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF WHO OWNS THESE HOUSES AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, MANAGING 35 RENTALS, WORKING AS REALTORS DAILY, UM, INTERFACING WITH A LOT OF OTHER REALTORS. I DON'T KNOW OF A SINGLE CORPORATE INVESTOR THAT IS BUYING VACATION RENTALS IN SEDONA. UM, WE HAVE A FEW LOCAL OWNERS AND FOR THE MOST PART IT'S PEOPLE THAT OWN ONE OR TWO OTHER HOMES THAT USE IT AS A SECOND HOME. THEY COME VISIT FEW WEEKS, MAYBE EVEN A COUPLE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR AND THEY RENT IT THE REST OF THE YEAR. UM, IT'S JUST LIKE HOW SEDONA HAS HAD SECOND HOMES FOR DECADES WHERE THE OWNERS MIGHT SPEND A FEW WEEKS THERE. UM, THE DIFFERENCE IS NOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY RENTING THOSE HOMES. UM, THAT'S ALL ABOUT ALL I GOT FOR MY TIME. UM, UNLESS I CAN GET 30 SECONDS TO TALK ABOUT SEX OFFENDER SCREENINGS. OKAY, THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO YOU CAN STICK AROUND FOR THE NEXT ITEM TOO, I BELIEVE. RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY, SO, UH, COMMENTS? ANYBODY HAVE COMMENTS, BRIAN? WE'LL TRY TO KEEP THEM SHORT IF WE CAN. YEP. THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR. OKAY. SO COUNCILOR FURMAN, WHEN YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE AGE OLD QUESTION OF TAX REVENUE, UM, WITH THE, UH, SYMPHONY SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE USING, WE'RE GETTING A PROXY I THINK, IN TERMS OF KNOWING REVENUE TO EACH SEGMENT OF TRADITIONAL LODGING VERSUS, UH, STR. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN LEARN FROM LOOKING AT THAT. JUST SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MIND ON THE, UH, THE QUESTIONS AROUND THE SEX OFFENDER AND DOING THE AUDIT. YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT AIRBNB'S WEBSITE, UH, THEIR HELP CENTER QUOTE, IF WE HAVE AT LEAST A FIRST NAME, LAST NAME, AND A DATE OF BIRTH FOR A US BASED USER WHO CREATES A LISTING OR IS ASSOCIATED WITH A BOOKING, WE MAY MAY PERFORM A BACKGROUND CHECK ON THAT USER MAY THAT'S PRETTY NON-COMMITTAL. UM, WONDERING WHAT WE CAN DO, I WONDER [04:45:01] IF CONTACTING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, UH, COULD GAIN US SOME ASSISTANCE IN GETTING CLARITY ABOUT WHAT, UH, IS OR ISN'T BEING DONE BY AIRBNB, VRBO, ET CETERA. UM, NEXT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE COMPLAINTS AND ABOUT HOW HEAVY HANDED WE DO OR DO NOT WANT TO BE. I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD CONSIDER THAT THAT THE RESPONSE YOU'RE GIVING US ON THAT IS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE STR OWNER, NOT THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE RESIDENTS AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FACT THAT THEY HAD TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL IS VERY UPSETTING FOR THE RESIDENT. AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE POTENTIALLY DISCOUNTING THE IMPACT ON RESIDENTS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE RESPONDING TO NOISE. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO 1, 2, 3 STRIKES ON NOISE. I UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS, BUT LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S RESIDENTS WHO ARE AGGRIEVED BY THE FACT THAT THERE IS THIS NOISE. AND FOR THEM THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THEM. UM, AND THE LAST THING RELATED TO THAT, I'VE STAYED IN A NUMBER OF AIRBNB, BBOS AND OTHER RESORT DESTINATIONS AND IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOW UP AND THERE'S A FEW PAGES THAT MIGHT BE IN A LITTLE PLASTIC FOLDER, YOU KNOW, IN A BINDER, ET CETERA. AND THEY ALMOST ALWAYS SAY THIS PROPERTY IS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE QUIET HOURS HERE FROM NINE TO SEVEN, 10 TO EIGHT, WHATEVER IT IS. AND IF WE GET CALLED ON YOU FOR A NOISE COMPLAINT, YOU WILL BE EVICTED. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I MEAN THEY PUT THE FEAR OF THE LORD IN YOU AND I WONDER IF WE DO THAT HERE. AND CAMERON, TOO BAD COULDN'T HAVE ASKED YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT YOU CAN LATER. YEAH. SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT. OH, SORRY. AND THEN LAST, SO WE DID TALK AT THE BUDGET SESSIONS ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS A NEED FOR MORE STAFF AND I THINK WE WERE HEARING THAT THERE IS SOME SEASONAL OR CYCLICAL NEEDS. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION WE CAN GIVE OTHER THAN TO THE CITY MANAGER TO EXPLORE HOW WE CAN SUPPORT THIS FUNCTION WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, STAFF AS NEEDED. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DUNN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? VICE MAYOR? I WILL SAY IN THE PAST TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION, WHEN WE WERE LESS, OH WORRIED, WE WERE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE COUNT THAN WE SEEM TO BE THESE DAYS, WE HAD A LOT OF PART-TIME PEOPLE, NOT A LOT, BUT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PART-TIME PEOPLE WHO WERE SHARED BY TWO FULL-TIME PERSON SHARED BY TWO DEPARTMENTS. SO THEY WERE PART-TIME IN BOTH DEPARTMENTS. AND THAT WAS A WAY IN WHICH TO GIVE MORE SUPPORT BUT NOT ADD TWO PEOPLE, JUST ADD ONE PERSON. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. UH, THANK YOU THERESA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO COUNCILMAN FO'S POINT ABOUT THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE I HEAR REGULARLY FROM RESIDENTS, THEY DO NOT FEEL THAT WE ARE ENFORCING TO THE DEGREE WE COULD. AND I KNOW THAT OUR, UM, CULTURE HERE IS REALLY SOFT HAND AND NOT JUST ON SDRS, BUT IN GENERAL WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PD. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SOFTER. THIS IS ONE THAT PEOPLE ARE SO RILED UP ABOUT. THEY WANT THE HAMMER. AND THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED IF WE ACTUALLY DO DO SOMETHING OR WHEN WE, NOT, IF WHEN WE DO SOMETHING WITH THIS THIRD UH, CITATION, THAT IT SHOULD GO TO THE NEWSPAPER. 'CAUSE THEY REALLY DO NOT THINK WE ARE USING ALL THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX. SURE. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE WE RALLY AROUND THOSE CASES WHERE WE ACTUALLY CAN ENFORCE SOMETHING. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I KNOW, UM, THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY OF WORKING WITH KEEGAN AND COMMUNICATIONS AND, AND A WAY TO DO SOME KIND OF INFORMATIVE COMMENT. UM, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF, I I HAVEN'T BEEN CALLING, UM, OWNERS AND PROPERTY MANAGERS AFTER NOISE COMPLAINTS, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A MOMENT'S PHONE CALL OR AN EMAIL. [04:50:01] UM, AND AGAIN, I, I LOOK FOR THAT BALANCE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE DIALOGUES WITH EVERYBODY AFTER EVERY COMPLAINT. 'CAUSE THAT MEANS THEN THEY HAVE MY DESK AS THE BAT PHONE. AND, UM, I REALLY CAN'T AFFORD TO BE THE BAT BACKBONE, BUT I THINK I KNOW, I KNOW PROPERTY MANAGERS WOULD WANNA KNOW, AND BECAUSE OF THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP I HAVE WITH THEM, THEY WILL UNDERSTAND THE LIGHT IN WHICH THAT INFORMATION IS PRESENTED. AND, UM, YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY NOTICED, I KIND OF HAVE THE GIFT OF GAB, SO I'M SURE I CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO INFORM PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, IN A CONTEXT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS GOT A VISIT FROM THE POLICE LAST NIGHT, OR A CALL. AND, UM, JUST WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THERE IS A NOISE ISSUE. IT'S A LITTLE HARDER SOMETIMES TO DO DURING THE DAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE FAMILIES WITH KIDS PLAYING IN A POOL AND KIDS KIND OF YELL AND SCREAM. AND, UM, IT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING LIKE PEOPLE PUT RADIOS IN THEIR BACKYARD AND IF YOU LIVE IN A REALLY BIG URBAN AREA, THERE'S NOISE EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? THERE'S JUST NOISE. PLANES GO OVERHEAD, WHATEVER. AND YOU DON'T THINK OF ADDING ANYTHING, OF ADDING YOUR NOISE LIKE A RADIO OR A CD PLAYER IN THE BACKYARD. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER WAY IN COMMUNICATING WITH OWNERS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, JUST WANNA REMIND YOU THAT MUSIC CARRIES AND WE'RE IN A REALLY QUIET COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THAT'S NOT SUCH A GREAT THING. SO AGAIN, COMMUNICATION, EDUCATION AND, UM, IT'S, WE'RE NOT GETTING SO MANY COMPLAINTS THAT THAT WOULD BE A HUGE ADDITION TO MY WORKLOAD. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT MAY GO ALONG WITH THE OWNER EDUCATION AND HAVING OWNERS JOIN THE PROPERTY MANAGERS MEETINGS. SO THAT COULD BE ALL PART OF A PIECE. WE'LL, WE'LL PLANT SEEDS IN PEOPLE'S MINDS. THANK YOU. CAMERON, CAN YOU SEND US AN EMAIL WITH THE REST OF YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM PROPERTY MANAGERS ALL THAT OFTEN. I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. JESSICA, I JUST WANT, UH, I THINK THIS IS AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU DO, THERESA, THAT, UH, I REALLY, I I SUPPORT THE APPROACH THAT YOU'RE TAKING WITH THE, THE HANDS ON AND THE CODDLING AND THE GETTING UP TO SPEED WITH AN INTENT THEN TO, TO CHANGE THE EXPECTATION AND TO, TO SORT OF UP ENFORCEMENT. SO I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, A GREAT WAY FORWARD. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM ANNETTE AS TO HER RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING AL REGARDING, UM, STAFFING OF THIS. UH, SHE MAY, SHE MAY DECIDE NOT TO STAFF IT. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM HER AS TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, IN, IN THIS REGARD. SO THANK YOU PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH, I'LL AGREE WITH COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID. THIS IS OUR, DEPENDING ON THE DAY, THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE AMONGST OUR RESIDENTS TRAFFIC, SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT OFTEN COME UP. AND SO I DO THINK THAT, UH, AND WE HAVE DONE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK HERE, SUPER PROUD OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE RELATIVE TO REGISTRATION. UM, TAX REVENUE IS PART OF IT. CALLS FOR SERVICE IS PART OF IT. CODE ENFORCEMENT IS PART OF IT. AND I THINK OUR RESIDENTS REALLY EXPECT ON THIS ISSUE THAT WE OPERATE AT THE NEXT LEVEL TOO. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME, UH, BETTER INTEGRATION AMONGST ALL THOSE TASKS THAT WE KNOW AND, AND CAN DO A MORE COMPREHENSIVE SINGLE POINT, UH, REPORTING TO OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT WE IS GOING ON REALLY IN OUR TOWN RELATIVE TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, CONGRATS ON WHERE WE ARE AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I I SUPPORT A CALL FOR US RAISING THE BAR, CONTINUING TO PUSH ON THIS ISSUE AND BECOME A, WE ARE IN, IN SOME WAYS, THERESA, YOU'VE REPORTED A A STANDARD IN THE STATE AND I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO PUSH ON THIS, UM, $200 PERMIT FEE. IF WE REALLY ARE THE BEST IN THE STATE RELATIVE TO, UH, COMPLIANCE, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LEADING THE STATE AND THE COST OF, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE WE REALLY TAKING A GOOD LOOK AND WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE INCORPORATING ALL THE COSTS INTO OUR PERMIT FEE. LET'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY [04:55:01] DO THAT WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF, OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING. UM, YEAH, SO I, I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, IS IS GOOD WORK AND WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE BAR ON THIS. I APPRECIATE THAT, MARY. THANK YOU, KATHY. YEAH, I JUST WANNA NOTE AGAIN, UM, APPRECIATION FOR THE COLLABORATION THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN THERESA CODE ENFORCEMENT, PD, LEGAL, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT ON THIS, ON, ON THE CITY'S PART AND I THINK THAT'S WORTH NOTING, UM, TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE DEPARTMENTS, BUT ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC TO REALIZE THE AMOUNT OF COLLABORATION THAT THAT IS TAKING PLACE AT THE CITY LEVEL. AS WE'VE TRIED TO WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND THIS ALBATROSS HAS BEEN HANDED TO US BY THE STATE. SO, UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I THINK MY COMMENTS WERE COVERED IN THE QUESTIONS I HAD BEFORE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UM, JUST FOR COMMENTS, I'LL START, THERESA, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB AND YOU JUST PROVED IT AGAIN, UH, TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT TONY CHIEF ALSO GREAT JOBS COLLABORATING. UH, I AM PERSONALLY NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE NOT ISSUING A CITATION ON THE SECOND COMPLAINT, EVEN IF IT'S TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR. UH, LIKE, UH, PETE SAID WE NEED TO RAISE THE BAR. BRIAN ALSO IS SAYING THAT WE NEED TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE TAKING A STRONGER HAND. AND EVEN IF IT'S TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN A TOOLBOX. AND, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IF IT CAN BE, IF HE'S BEING DONE, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF IT BEING DONE, BUT IF THERE'S A SECOND COMPLAINT, I THINK THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE GETTING A CITATION. THE 10, THE GUESTS, NOT THE OWNERS. UM, WHAT IF YOU GET A, A, A GUEST THAT'S STAYING THREE, FOUR DAYS AND YOU GET A COMPLAINT IN TWO, TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW, THREE NIGHTS IN A ROW? ARE THEY TREATED AS DIFFERENT GUESTS BECAUSE, UH, THE OFFICERS DON'T KNOW? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER HANDED WITH THE NOISE COMPLAINTS TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE TAKING A HEAVY HAND. SO MAY I JUST SAY SOMETHING ON THAT? YES. IF WE DO THAT, THAT GOES ACROSS THE BOARDS AND WE CAN'T DISCRIMINATE JUST AGAINST SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO THE, THAT SAME APPROACH OF, OF CONTACTING SOMEBODY, WE'LL ALSO REACH OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMPLAINTS ARE A THIRD OF OUR COMPLAINT, WHICH A THIRD OF THOSE ONLY HALF DO WE MAKE CONTACT WITH. SO THEN IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, TWO THIRDS ARE OUR REGULAR, ALL THE TIME RESIDENTS THAT WE WOULD APPLY THAT SAME APPROACH TO. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WILL HAVE A, A LARGER IMPACT MORE ON OUR PERMANENT RESIDENCE THAN IT DOES SHORT-TERM RENTALS. BUT YET ON THE, UH, DE REPORTS, WE'RE SEEING THAT NOTATION UNDER SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I DON'T SEE VERY MANY UNDER THE RESIDENCE. AND THAT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE THAT IS A REPORTING THAT'S BEEN ASKED OF US. SO THERESA HAS THE INFORMATION SHE NEEDS TO, ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO THOSE DAILY BLOGS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER HAVE BEEN ALTERED OVER THE YEARS BASED ON WHAT INFORMATION'S WANTED FROM US. NOT NECESSARILY EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN A SHIFT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO, UM, YOU'RE NOT SEEING ALL OF OF OUR CALLS OR THOSE THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT'S PART OF IT, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT A THIRD OF OUR, OUR NOISE COMPLAINTS ARE TO SHORT TERM RENTALS OF THAT THIRD 50% ARE PEOPLE THAT WE CONTACT. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS YOU. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE, AND THAT'S JUST, I'M GIVING YOU THE AVERAGES AND NOT, YOU KNOW, SET NUMBERS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WOULD APPLY THAT ACROSS THE BOARD SO WE'RE NOT JUST DISCRIMINATING. YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THE COUNCIL, HOW DO YOU FEEL, BRIAN, DO YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME? I MEAN, MAYOR, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A CITATION ON THE SECOND VISIT. I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE. IF, IF POLICE GETS CALLED OUT TWICE THE SAME NIGHT TO THE SAME ADDRESS, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENT OR A GUEST, I MEAN, THAT'S BEING INCONSIDERATE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. OKAY. DO I HAVE, UH, THREE OTHER, TWO OTHER PEOPLE HERE ON THE, THAT IS INTERESTED IN DOING, BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE ON THIS TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER? I DON'T WANNA GIVE THAT DIRECTION. I WANNA MAKE A COMMENT TO IT THOUGH. I WANNA SEE IF I HAVE ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO THAT? BRIAN, UH, PETE, YOU TALKED ABOUT BEING, YOU KNOW, I, I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE. I LEAN TOWARDS SUPPORT ON THIS, BUT I REALLY HATE MAKING A POLICY DECISION ON, ON A, AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW. WELL, WE COULD DISCUSS IT IN THE FUTURE. WE CAN DISCUSS IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS DESERVE TO KNOW THAT SOMETHING MORE IS BEING DONE. AND I'LL LEAVE IT FOR KATHY TO, UH, ASK THE QUESTION. YEAH. WHICH IS CHIEF I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAY BEFORE THOUGH, THAT YOU DO HAVE THE DISCRETION THAT YOU COULD ISSUE SOMETHING ON THE SECOND VISIT ANYWAY. THERE'S NOTHING PROHIBITING YOU FROM DOING IT, IT'S JUST AN INTERNAL SORT OF, [05:00:01] UM, POLICY. IT'S NOT A POLICY, IT'S SORT OF JUST A GUIDANCE SAY YOU'RE DOING RIGHT. BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS THAT. CORRECT. BUT IT'S NOT BEING DONE. WE HAVE NOT ISSUED ONE IN THE LAST YEAR. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, SO IT'S A MATTER, YEAH, I I THINK THIS NEEDS MORE DISCUSSION. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT IT. TONIGHT'S FINE. I I TOTALLY GET IT. AND I WOULDN'T WANNA DO IT ON THE SPUR OF THE MOMENT EITHER. OKAY. BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED IN THE FUTURE. ALRIGHT. DO I HAVE, UH, AGREEMENT WITH, UH, WITH THAT TO DISCUSS IT MORE IN THE FUTURE OR NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER? UM, NOT, NOT HEARING. YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF WISHY-WASHY . I KNOW. DISCUSS IT MORE IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S IT. WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, HOW WE'LL DISCUSS IT WHETHER AT A WORK SESSION OR WHETHER, WELL, I'D LIKE IT TO BE CONTEXTUAL WITH SOMETHING ELSE. MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT FITS IN. I'M LOOKING TOWARD THAT FIRST ONE. DIRECTION. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I THINK THE POLICY ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR PHILOSOPHY AROUND, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT APPROACH, VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE HAS BEEN WORKING IT SEEMS LIKE. UM, SO IF YOU WANT TO SHIFT AWAY FROM THAT PHILOSOPHY, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION IS WHAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY HARD TO GIVE THE STAFF DIRECTION THAT IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE WE WANT YOU TO BE HEAVY HANDED, BUT IN ALL THESE OTHER INSTANCES, WE WANT EDUCATION AND VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE AND THEN OVER HERE WE WANT THIS. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST HARD TO APPLY THAT IN THE FIELD. UM, SO I THINK IF THE STAFF AND MYSELF UNDERSTAND, LIKE THE GENERAL INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL REFLECTING THE CONSTITUENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT IS THEIR EXPECTATION AROUND OUR APPROACH TO ENFORCING THE LAW, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. BUT I WOULD HATE TO SEE A PIECEMEAL APPROACH WHERE IT'S LIKE THIS HUGE FLOW CHART OF WHICH INSTANCE WE'RE GONNA, UM, BE HEAVY HANDED IN WHAT INSTANCE WE WANT VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE. SO I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT APPROACH GENERALLY, WHETHER IT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT, PD, WHATEVER. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT ON THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE NOISE COMPLAINT SEEMS TO BE MORE PREVALENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES WHERE I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF THAT'S TRUE. TRUE. OKAY. UM, IF THAT IS THE BIGGEST CRIME OR PROBLEM WE HAVE, WELL, CRIME PROBLEM, CALL FOR SERVICE. YEAH. CALL, IT'S CALLED YEAH. BIGGEST CALL FOR SERVICE. SO, WELL, IS IT, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE. WE CAN DECIDE ON THAT WITH THE, UH, AGENDA SETTING. OKAY. JESSICA? I, I JUST WANNA SORT OF EMPHASIZE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO OR THREE. I MEAN, WE HAVE SPENT HOURS TALKING ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANT TO ISSUE A, A CITATION TO DO TWO OR THREE SHORT TERM RENTERS. I MEAN, IT'S, I THINK SOMETIMES WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE USING A SHOTGUN ON A GNAT AND ARE THERE NOT ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT LIKE, ARE MORE IMPORTANT FOR US TO DEAL WITH? SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT THIS IS, I MEAN, IT'S 10 O'CLOCK. EVERYBODY'S TIRED. RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING ANY MORE TIME ON THIS AND I'M NOT SURE. YEAH, CONTINUE. NO, I, I I CAN'T. OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO. THANK YOU. OKAY, KATHY, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. YEAH. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE ARE TAKING ONE POLICE DIRECTIVE AND SINGLING THAT OUT FOR DISCUSSION AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? UNLESS THERE'S AN ORDINANCE, LIKE THE LAST TIME I REMEMBER US HAVING A CONVERSATION ON THE DAIS ABOUT, UH, DIRECTING A, A POLICE POLICY WAS HAD TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC URINATION LAW. RIGHT. BUT THAT WAS IN CONTEXT OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS BEFORE US. SO THERE WAS CONTEXT. SO I'M JUST A LITTLE WORRIED THAT NOT, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE ISSUE. IT SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT, I I JUST TAKING OUT ONE PIECE OF POLICE ENFORCEMENT TO HAVE DISCUSSION OF LIKE THAT I, I, TO ME IT'S JUST SEEMS OUT OF CONTEXT. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR OPINION. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE'LL MOVE ON. OKAY. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER FINAL CON COMMENTS? OKAY. AND WE WILL MOVE ON. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. NICE TO MEET YOU TONY. NICE TO MEET YOU ALL TOO. THANK [05:05:01] YOU. OKAY. UM, EIGHT D [8.d. AB 3027 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.] AB 30 27 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION AND ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION AND STATE BUDGET AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA MAYOR AND COUNCIL. NOTHING'S BEEN ANNOUNCED ON THE BUDGET. UH, THE MAY OR THE GOVERNOR, UH, SIGNED HB 27 20 INTO LAW LAST WEEK. THE A DU BILL, UM, THAT DOESN'T, UH, DIRECTLY AFFECT THE CITY, BUT IT DOES ALLOW THE CITY TO, UM, UH, ADOPT AN A DU ORDINANCE AND REQUIRE AN OWNER TO LIVE ON SITE, WHETHER IN THE A DU OR THE MAIN HOME THAT'LL COME TO COUNCIL ON JUNE 12TH AS PART OF THE DIGA DISCUSSION. UM, AND THE DISCUSSION ON INCENTIVES THAT COUNCIL MIGHT BE WILLING TO DO FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO, WE'LL, UH, WE, WE INTEND TO HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION ON THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UM, DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL THE BACKYARD FOUL OR, OR BILL HB 25 35 I BELIEVE PASSED ALSO. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE NEXT ROUND OF LDC UPDATES. UM, JUST SOME MINOR CHANGES. AND THEN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ONE, UM, WAS VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR. SHE SAID THAT IT WAS UNNECESSARY AND HARMS THE TAX PAYERS. UM, AND SO THE CITY WAS IN OPPOSITION TO THAT ALONG WITH THE LEAGUE. AND SO IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THE GOVERNOR VETO THAT ONE. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT. OKAY. UM, ANY QUESTIONS OF KURT BEFORE WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN? WE DO HAVE A, WE DO HAVE A COURT AGAIN. SO, CAMERON, YOU WANNA STEP UP? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD OFFICIALLY. CAMERON, THE SAME DRILL. ALRIGHT, AGAIN, CAMERON WILDE, I LIVE IN SEDONA. UM, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SEX OFFENDER SCREENINGS 'CAUSE THAT SORT OF FALLS INTO LEGISLATION. UM, SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I KIND OF SPOKE AGAINST A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PUT IN THE CITY ORDINANCE. AND I'M, I'M STILL FRUSTRATED BY THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT I, I THINK THAT THERE'S A TENDENCY TO GET TOO HUNG UP ON THAT AND LOSE SIGHT OF ISSUES THAT ACTUALLY AFFECT HOW RESIDENTS ARE INTERFACING WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THE NOISE COMPLAINTS, THAT'S A LOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SEX OFFENDER CHECKS WHEN, UM, EVERY PROPERTY MANAGER I KNOW SAYS THEY HAVE NOT UNCOVERED ONE SEX OFFENDER IN DOING THESE CHECKS. UM, AND SO I, I STILL DON'T SEE THIS AS A PROBLEM THAT IS, IS WORTH SOLVING AND, AND SPENDING HOURS AND HOURS OF, YOU KNOW, STAFF TIME OF, UM, MANAGERS AND OWNERS. AND IT'S, IT'S COSTLY TOO. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A, A HUGE EXPENSE, BUT EVERY TIME WE RUN ONE OF THOSE CHECKS, IT, IT COSTS MONEY. UM, SO WE'RE RUNNING, WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON CHECKS THAT GO NOWHERE AND IN MY OPINION, DON'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING FOR, FOR RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON THAT. UM, AND THEN, UH, AS, AS FAR AS THE ENFORCEMENT OF NOISE, UM, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE MORE CLARITY ON, AND I THINK A LOT OF, UH, OWNERS AND MANAGERS WOULD, IS WHAT THE, WHAT POWER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO HELP US DEAL WITH PROBLEM GUESTS. SO IF WE HAVE IN OUR HOUSE RULES LIKE WE DO ON EVERY LISTING, THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW EVENTS, WE DON'T ALLOW PARTIES, WE DON'T ALLOW RETREATS. IF YOU'RE HAVING ANY OF THOSE, THEN YOUR RESERVATION WILL BE CANCELED. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE, THE TEETH TO BACK UP THAT LANGUAGE WHERE WE CAN HAVE THE, WE CAN CALL THE POLICE AND, AND THEY CAN EVICT A GUEST. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE THAT POWER OR NOT. AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT EVICTION POWER, IF AT THE VERY LEAST I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR, UM, WHEN THEY, IF THEY DO CITE A GUEST, IT, WHAT THE FEE IS INVOLVED IN THAT, WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS ARE FOR THAT GUEST. UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN WE ARE KIND OF VAGUE ON THAT IN OUR HOUSE RULES, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SPELL OUT IN OUR LISTING THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU DISOBEY OUR HOUSE RULES, IF YOU DISRESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT KIND OF STUFF. UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, BUT THAT DEFINITELY ON THE SEX OFFENDER SCREENINGS, UM, I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT CLOSELY AND REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CAMERON. KURT, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE UH, POINT, CAMERON'S POINT AS FAR AS POLICE, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER'S GONNA BE, BUT FOR HIM ABOUT, UH, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE VIOLATING THE RULES, WE DON'T DO, UH, WE WE'RE NOT BOUNCERS. YES. CORRECT. SO GENERALLY THAT'S GONNA BE A CIVIL ISSUE AND THE POLICE WON'T BE INVOLVED. SO, UM, OKAY. I THINK THAT COVERED WHAT WE CAN DO LEGALLY. ALRIGHT. UH, ANYTHING ELSE FOR ITEM D? OKAY, EIGHT [8.e. AB 3066 Discussion/possible direction regarding future meeting and agenda items.] E AB 30 66. DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. JESSICA, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYBODY WOULD [05:10:01] BE INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM THE PRESIDENT OF YAVAPAI COLLEGE ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, BOTH IN, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN AND HERE. UM, THEY'VE GOTTEN AN 8% RAISE OR EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT, UM, TAX INCREASE. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR, FOR THE FUTURE AND WHERE THEY ARE NOW. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SPECIFY THAT IT, I DON'T WANT JUST THEIR COMMUNITY RELATIONS GUY TO COME. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM, FROM THE PRESIDENT. ANYBODY INTERESTED? KATHY? YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I THINK THAT THEY'RE, YEAH, I MEAN, OKAY. THAT'S DIRECT IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTS, RIGHT. I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, AND JESSICA'S BEEN WITH ME TO, TO MANY OF THE MEETINGS THERE. THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED WITH WHAT WE SAY. WE KNOW THAT, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH HAVING A CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT MYSELF. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE GONE AROUND AND AROUND OVER THE YEARS AND NO, THEY DON'T CARE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I STILL THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF ARENA, SHE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT, BUT SHE'S FOR THE COLLEGE. WELL, DEAN SHOULD BE HERE. SHE'S YEAH, DEAN SO WELL, WHOEVER SHE WANTS TO BRING IS FINE WITH ME. I DON'T CARE WHO SHE BRINGS. I UNDERSTAND. BUT I WANT HER HERE. WELL, WE CAN ASK. CAN ASK, BUT WE CAN'T SUMMON. NO, I UNDERSTAND. SO I HAVE ONE VICE MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THEY'VE BEEN HERE. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE NOW HAD THE NEW CEO'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR A WHILE AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT TOO. AND UH, ANNETTE, I CAN GIVE YOU THE CONTACT INFORMATION. OKAY. IF YOU WANNA DO THAT. I CAN. I HAVE HIS, UH, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CONTACT NUMBER. SO ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. [10. ADJOURNMENT] HEARING NOTHING. WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW. WHY? HOW PRETTY, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW. THREE O'CLOCK. SAME TIME. THE SAME PLACE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.